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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Values?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:44:12 GMT
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Distribution: misc.kids
Organization: University of Maine System

i care about families AND i support hillary clinton.  in fact
this whole mess has pushed me from being ambivalent about
clinton to being a supporter, and even more wistful about
the fact that he chose tipper gore's husband over hillary
as his running mate.

i've noticed that pro-family is generally AGAINST my family.
pregnancy via sperm donation is the best option lesbians
have for having familes, sonce the "pro-family" forces have
made it very difficult, even in some places impossible, for
gay people to adopt kids.

                                        -ailsa
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It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Am I Forcing Her to Be Left Handed?
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:21:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Jul29.215344.4775@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris) writes:
>I am right handed. My husband is left handed. My one-year old daughter 
>has not yet determined which hand she prefers--although she seems to
>use her left hand quite a bit, which is the reason for the following
>question.
>
>When I hand my daughter something (a toy, her spoon with food on it so 
>she can feed herself, etc.), I use my right hand. I automatically place
>whatever I have into the hand directly across from mine, which would be
>her left hand since she is usually facing me. (Follow that?) In other words, 
>I forgot about the phrase/rule/principle that people often use when facing 
>someone and trying to determine left or right. They usually say or think
>something like, "My right, your left."
>
>So, I am wondering...have I unknowingly been forcing/strongly suggesting/en-
>couraging my daughter to use her left hand over her right? I never really 
>thought about which hand in which I was giving her objects until recently. 
>And I really don't care which hand she uses. But I do want to know if I
>am having an influence on which one she chooses. So...has anyone else done
>the same thing? Is this something parents really think about when handing
>babies things? Does it matter? Is this how lefties become lefties? 
>
>Signed,
>
>One Have-I-Created-A-Lefty? Mom   


I doubt you have forced her to be a lefty. More than likely, that's
just her tendency.  I'm a lefty and my mother told me she started
suspecting I was left-handed at an early age.  She would put my glass
on my right side and I would usually knock it over (by accident).
She wised up and started placing things on my left side.

I was convinced that one of my sister's kids was left-handed, but she
hadn't paid that much attention.  I said, "Well, what happens if you
put his spoon on the right or left side?"  We tried.  I put it on
the left side; he picked it up with his left hand and used it.  Then I
put it on his right side.  He ate with his left hand!

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: FORTUNE magazine special supplement
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Jul27.185815.9107@linus.mitre.org>, m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes...
>Just FYI, this month's FORTUNE magazine includes a special supplement
>entitled CHILDREN IN CRISIS.  Very informative, very thought-provoking
>look at some of the issues of today.  Full of really scary stats too.
>
**interesting stuff deleted for brevity

>All I do know is that children are the single most important resource we have 
>as a civilized (at times I wonder :-) ) society.  We had better do
>something pretty damn quick.  
> 
Maybe I am just naive, but I never cease to be amazed by how short
sighted people seem to be. For instance, the attitude seems to
prevail that 'my kids are not in school anymore, so why should I
support school funding?'. Don't they realize that the children are
our future? Whether they are your kids or mine, they are the future
leaders of the country.
                         Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:00:55 GMT

Jennifer, I am also O neg blood.  I had a baby
9.5 mo ago.  I don't even know my husband's blood
type.  The only difference that I noticed is that
I had to go for a needle at 27 weeks.  Supposedly
this counteracts whatever effects can occur between a
neg mom and baby (is baby is pos type).  I also
got the same needle the day after the birth.  My doctor
has said that this is all I need to do.  When I get
pregnant for the second time, I do not need to receive
any needles, the needles during first pregnancy are
enough.  I can't remember any of the specific details
of what the needle did, but it was not a big deal.
I think my son was born with neg blood, I am not 100%
sure, I have it written down at home.  Other than that,
I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Catharine Robshaw
ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:41:03 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food

In article <1992Jul28.155430.21038@ohrd.uucp>, ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu
(Catherine Robshaw) says:
>
>My son Bradley is 9.5 mo old.  I have been trying to get him
>used to more solid, lumpy foods.  He is used to his baby
>food, cereals, etc.  If I try anything the least bit lumpy
>with him (i.e. junior mixed veggies, mashed bananas, real
>cereal, junior carrots), he gags terribly and won't eat it.

I think food (and poop) are the consuming concerns of us new mothers!

Doug started on finger food early ~6 mos.  We skipped the baby food
after beginners.  We started with arrowroot cookies, banana slices,
and cheerios.  Maybe your son would eat more texture if he feeds himself.
I know that Doug now refuses almost anything that comes on a spoon.

I was worried about the gagging, too, but I tried to just let him work
it out himself.  He still gags sometimes when he tries something new, I
think its just for effect!  His favorite now is melon--cantaloupe,
watermelon, honeydew.

I'd go for the finger food, and try not to worry--eventually he will
decide to try something new.

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Keywords: Freedom of speech
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:10:09 GMT

In article <4615@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
>
>If we all support the first amendment rights to freedom of speech, then
>anyone who wants to share their point-of-view is free to do just such.
>Mr. Hanson has his own viewpoint, based upon a particular book, that he
>wanted to share.  We all have our own viewpoints, based upon a variety
>of sources.  People may disagree with, or totally ignore, particular
>sources, but that doesn't give anyone the right to censor.  Given that
>Mr. Hanson wasn't mixing church and state (forbid the thought), there
>should be no reason for him to not share his thoughts.

Oh, crimminy, don't they teach the Constitution in US schools any more?

There is no first amendment issue here.  The first amendment prohibits
the GOVERNMENT from restricting one's speech.  It does not restrict
a group of people having a discussion from deciding what they do or
don't want to discuss.  It is CERTAINLY not a violation of anyone's
constitutional rights to ask that they post religious material to a
religious news group instead of misc.kids.

(BTW, it also does not violate the first amendment for a sys admin to 
censor newsgroups.)

That said, I think it's OK to post anything here as long as it is
somehow related to children and the raising of them.  That includes
religious texts and popular song lyrics as well as Spock and Sears.
If you don't like someone's posts, put their name in your kill file.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: efs@summa4.mv.com (Ed Sinamark)
Subject: 3 yr old B-day party, Looking for Games to play
Organization: Summa Four Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:36:01 GMT

We are thinking of having our sons 3 yr birthday party at home this august
with all of the neighborhood kids.  Could anyone suggest some good games that
they would like to play with around 10-12 kids.  The age ranges should be
3 to 5 yr olds of the kids attending.  

Thanks in advance

You may e-mail reply's to efs@summa4.mv.com

ed sinamark
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How much does having a baby cost?
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:32:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

A while back someone asked what the cost of giving birth was.  I forgot to save
 the original message, but pulled out the figures from Doug's birth last year.

OB   prenatal care&delivery        1310
     circumcision                    90
     inital visit/ultrasound/
      hemoglobin tests/stress test  299
                  TOTAL            1699

Ped   nursery visits                190

Lab tests (blood,AFP,glucose)       187

Hosp charge for ultasound,
   3 Non-stress tests, 1 stress
   test, 1 fetal observation        433.46

Hospital room (2 days)             1363.60

Nursery (2 days)                    584.63

GRAND TOTAL                        4467.69

Of this 646.06 was not covered by insurance and came out of our pocket directly

The insurance covered nothing for the ultrasound, not medically necessary--we
had it to confirm dates.  I had the NST and stress tests due to post-dates and
a conservative doctor :-)  (I think 3 NST in two weeks is a little overboard).

So, that's just one picture from rural Pennsylvania.

Chris Himes
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Otoscopes for home use
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:51:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22


On ear infections:

One more question --- has anybody purchased one of these home
devices for looking in the ear? Are they worthwhile? My
pediatrician discouraged it, saying we wouldn't really be able to
see anything, but if she can, why can't we? 

Lindsay Schachinger
lindsay@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: spgabe@bnr.ca (Stephen Gabe)
Subject: Cute Things They Say
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:07:53 GMT

Yesterday was my birthday. I knew Hazel (4) and my wife were
planning something for me. When I woke up I remembered it was my
bitrthday and said so. Hazel said "How did you know it was your
birthday?"

I guess to her "birthday" = "surprise celebration".

Stephen

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From: bowen@prg.ox.ac.uk (Jonathan Bowen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Things children say
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:59:10 GMT
Reply-To: Jonathan.Bowen@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Jonathan Bowen)
Organization: Programming Research Group, Oxford University, UK

On holiday in Wales last week:

Daddy: It's very late!
Emma:  And we're not even tired yet!!

Daddy: There's a castle.                    [There are lots in Wales.]
Emma:  But it's not bouncy is it?


--
Jonathan Bowen, <Jonathan.Bowen@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
Oxford University Computing Laboratory.
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: misc.teenagers?
Keywords: don't receive alt groups
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:34:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

folks,

being a new lurker to this group, i was wondering

	a.) where to post articles about teenagers (this group seems to be
		about young children and i don't get any alt groups)

	b.) has there ever been a push to creat misc.teenagers?

thanx in advance,

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ambrose@paradyne.com (Steve Ambrose)
Subject: Re: birth announcement (very late)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:41:20 GMT

In article <9207281405.AA01296@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
> ...
>That said I'd like to belatedly
>announce the birth of my daughter:
>
>		Elizabeth Rachel "Libby" Linden-Chirlian
>		September 30, 1991 (10 months on thursday!)
>		7lbs 9 oz, 21 inches
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@cc.brynmawr.edu
> Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

If your daughter get married to a guy named, say Joe Smith, will her daughters
name be "<first-name> <middle-name> Smith-Linden-Chirlian"?  And when her
granddaughter gets married, will her name be, for instance, "<first> <middle>
Johnson-Smith-Linden-Chirlian"?  This whole business of giving a kid a dashed
name is ridiculous.  It is okay, IMHO, for a woman who gets married to have a
dashed name, but why pass that burden on to an innocent child.

-Steve A.
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny things we do: 1 week
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:05:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:

>In article <19417@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>>Am I super pooper baby, or what?
>
>Ah yes!  The ballistic poop stage!

I bet you guys all wish your babies pooped once a week, like mine does.
Yes, she's a fat and sassy six-month-old who's only pooped, what, thirty
times in her whole life.  Of course, we have to get a new house each time....

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
From: rollo@Xylogics.COM (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: stroller/backpack
Date: 29 Jul 1992 11:28:26 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


For the person interested in a stroller/backpack
combination, in case you didn't get this info:

The Right Start catalog has one (on sale for $60).
I didn't read the description, and this is just
an FYI, not a recommendation, but it looked
pretty nice.

Their number is 1-800-LITTLE-1.

-Dena
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how to remove stains on clothes?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:16:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

The best stain-remover we've met is StainOut, manufactured by Espial. Many
people have had great success with StainOut on all sorts of stains,
and a great plus is that it is 100% non-toxic. In fact, Espial manufactures
a complete range of home-care cleaners all of which are guaranteed
100% green - non-toxic and completely safe, ecologically and personally,
_and_ really effective!  We have been delighted with them, and as
parents of young children we find it a great relief to have gotten rid of all
those chemical cleaners which are dangerous to have around and which
leave toxic residues. (You can actually clean the bathroom without
worrying that you should have evacuated the house first!)

Espial products are mostly not available in retail stores, only
through independent distributors. But it's easy to sign up to 
buy at wholesale, and the company is very nice to deal
with (an 800 number and delivery by UPS). I'll be glad to provide
more details for anyone that's interested.

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu
(510) 642-4001 (office)
(510) 549-9127 (home)
From: doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:57:44 GMT
 <4619@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de> <1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> <153c4dINNse0@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
Organization: NASA - Kennedy Space Center

In article <153c4dINNse0@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>, doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond) writes:
>|> In article <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>|> 
>|> >I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
>|> >mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
>|> >or eat fish.
>|> 
>|> Do you want an award?
>
>No. I want a world without rulers, superstition, war, killing, famine,
>environmental pollution, etc.

I hope you get it.  I wouldn't hold my breath.


>|> Who cares?
>
>Yes, that's the problem. Nearly nobody cares.

Nobody necessarily cares about what your personal philosophies of life are.

I don't see that as a problem...

Doug
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Keywords: sarcasm, seriousness
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

[history deleted]

|> This is exactly why so many of us hate to see religion brought into 
|> discussions in groups like misc.kids.  With few exceptions, religious
|> discussions very quickly get out of the "here's how we do it" vein, and 
|> into "you're all going to Hell, and my God can beat up your God" snits.
|> 
|> Could we cool it for a while?  Can we all get along here?

Reid,

You bloated sack of protoplasm!  That would be SO boring.

    Lest anyone take this message seriously...  :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
    Lest Reid take this personally...  ;^)

On a serious note: I think that we can get along.  I would also hope that
each side of any issue can be _discussed_ in this forum without resorting
to personal _attack_.  We're all adults, remember?

Religion, for those of use that choose to practice, is an integral part of
life.  I feel that it is an interesting and important part of this mix, 
just as the homosexual, athiest, single, jewish, person-of-color, democratic,
republican, perotion or any other viewpoint is important to this forum.

Guidelines for the discussion of (potentially) controversial issues might
include:

1) If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

2) If you don't understand why someone holds a certain viewpoint, then
   _ask_ clarifying questions instead of trying to prove that you're right
   and they are wrong. (This trait, IMHO, is the hallmark of maturity).  

3) If you have something that you sincerely want to share, then share it.
   If you simply want to provoke an argument, go talk to a seventeen year
   old and tell them they're wrong instead of posting.

4) Treat others in the same way that you would like to be treated.

Either this, or we just stick to the nuts-and-bolts of changing diapers
and toilet training in misc.kids and spin off a misc.kids.pg13 (for
mature audiences ;^) group.  Perhaps we should take a poll (given that 
this is an election year for the U.S.) or a vote?

Avoiding a topic will provide no understanding or tolerance.  Discussing
it with an attitude of mutual respect and consideration will.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waking up at night
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:19:29 GMT
	<1992Jul18.014237.29467@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

There is an alternative test to the glucose test for diabetes.

Ask your doctor about it -- it has to do with eating a high
carbohydrate meal 2(?) hours before the blood test. My midwife always
uses that test instead of the sugar water test. (Many of her clients
also don't ingest tons of sugar in their diet, and much prefer the
test which better matches their eating habits)

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
From: jane@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: misc.teenagers?
Keywords: don't receive alt groups
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:05:14 GMT
Reply-To: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Jul21.103440.20277@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>folks,
>
>being a new lurker to this group, i was wondering
>
>	a.) where to post articles about teenagers (this group seems to be
>		about young children and i don't get any alt groups)
>
>	b.) has there ever been a push to creat misc.teenagers?
>
OK, I'll rise to this.  Yes, some of us _do_ have teenagers, but if
anyone else is like me, we're trying to forget about it :-)

Seriously, I'd be interested in misc.teenagers, but in the meantime,
has anyone any advice to offer on how to get a stroppy 14 year old
to do as he is asked?

We don't have much problem with the big issues - he is a decent kid
who doesn't give us sleepless nights.  No staying out, no smoking, no
drugs etc... BUT

He can be the most obnoxious being on this earth - particularly to me.
If he doesn't want to do something, like keep his room tidy, he simply
doesn't.  Getting him to do his homework is a nightmare.  He bugs the
hell out of his little brothers.  As an example, he was given a TV for
his room so he could have peace from the littlies - he spends his time
watching TV in the living room, screeching at the littlies to shut up!

Time out doesn't work - he simply refuses to leave the room.  Reason
doesn't work - he can be _really_ unreasonable.

All in all, there are times when, Heaven help me, I REALLY dislike
the child.

Anyone have similar problems?  How do you get your kids to behave
in a civilised fashion?

Jane
Newsgroups: misc.kids