HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Anyone read Sandman?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:48:51 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:

> I liked the put-down just before hand (in the same place) -- "When God
> put teeth in your mouth, he ruined a perfectly good arsehole."  I
> wonder if they put that section in just to outrage the moral-majority
> who were writing in letters of complaint...?
> 
> 

As far as I know, the outraged moral-majority letters they've got sonsist 
of that one obnoxious letter from the Outraged Mothers Society or 
whatever it was.   SANDMAN just doesn't get that crowd.  The average 
superhero comic gets terrible letters from homophobes and censors, but 
not SANDMAN....

There was an interesting letter in X-MEN last month from a bigot who 
objected strongly and eloquently to a phrase in the comic where the 
hero's mentor had advocated tolerance for all regardless of race, 
religion or sexual orientation.   He thought "sexual orientation" should 
not have been included in the list and went on at length about why not.  
The editor, Bob Harras, gave a moderate reply that they (editorial 
"they") believed there should be no exceptions for intelligent 
open-mindedness and acceptance of the differences of others.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: michael@tfs.com (Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere.)
Subject: Re: Sigh... hugs please?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:08:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.043353.12485@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>	Sorry, just needed to vent somewhere.  Because of the Vicki situation
>my stress has reached critical mass... It's creating new problems faster than
>I can resolve the original ones.  *sigh*
>
>					Steve L. (desperately wishing there 
>							was someone other than
>							Jim on the floor to get
>							hugs from.)
You got 'em, buddy:

<hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg>

:-)

Michael
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From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Very [Bi]Sexual Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Party Face, Net Face was Appearances on and off the net
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.184954.27071@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes...
>In article <MUFFY.93Jan23184048@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan23.154817.11109@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>>>Eh?  How does doing the shopping or cleaning the house take on "an
>>>overtly sexual nature"?  (The mind boggles...)
> 
>Well, you might look at the reports in various medical rags of
>penile injuries sustained while housecleaning - usually with
>a vacuum cleaner or other such appliance (I can't think why).
> 
>>Me, I clean in the nude...*grin*.  Some people seem to get excited
>>watching other people work in the nude, I'm not sure why...*GRIN*.
> 
>And, for some reason, kitchens have become peculiarly erotically-charged
>places for me ever since I met Justin...
> 
>				Kay

*sniggle* I do just about everything nude..  the dishes, the cat box, laundry, 
 vacuuming (no, i got THAT experiment out of the way when i was 15, and i 
escaped injury by thinking aHEAD *grin*)

 i have left quite an impression on ppl at my last B'day party by doing the 
dishes nude the entire weekend. at the start they weren't so hot on nudity,
but by the end of the weekend ... whoooo boy!

--Dave
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: This is a post.
Keywords: Whatever.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:30:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.181453.22284@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>
>How does a North NJ soc.bi party sound?  Anyone?  Anyone?
>
>Piglet, Haledon resident...

Yeah its been up a while.  But me me me me me.  O what the hell only a little
drive.  Jim - who has been humbled into not using e-slut for a very long time.
;)
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender      AIDS KILLS.  Practice safe sex.        
Plummet headlong first.  Grasp the unattainable. Redfine all that has 
been taught to you. Understand the power of a single action. 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:30:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Omigod, I can't believe I'm about to do this, only ten minutes to go
(and every second counts), not that I'm _nervous_ or anything...

Mo the coward.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Gripe: soc.motss
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:41:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203741.17574@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>This is not intended to offend any individual posters to soc.motss.

>But why is the atmosphere there so hostile and chilly?  Admittedly, this is
>the sweetest, friendliest group I know of, but the general aura is as
>different as--forgive the cliche--night and day.  What's up with that? 
>Please tell me there are people without complexes who post there.

In my opinion, this has something to do with the fact that soc.motss regularly
bears the brunt of the idiocies of people (such as Arthur_Hu) who are
convinced that homosexuals are promiscuous, AIDS-bearing, untrustworthy, and
pathologically untruthful and people who are convinced that homosexuality is
a disease in desparate need of curing and people who are convinced that
homosexuals are sinners who need to be verbally abused until they repent and
give up any claim to physical affection from those they find attractive.

Dealing with this sort of crud doesn't put *anyone* in a warm'n'fuzzy mood.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Impure Thoughts / Fiction
Summary: Wrong newsgroup.
Keywords: Bi Fiction Long
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:13:10 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <mpg.727711829@wesley> mpg@doe.carleton.ca (Mike Gagnon) writes:
>
[much verbage]


   I hate to be a stick in the mud, but wouldn't alt.sex.stories be a
better venue for that work?  Pointers to the story are perfectly
reasonable here, but, well, the whole story?

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                 \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg)
Subject: Re: phrases and sex roles
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:42:03 GMT

In article <iw.727554128@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza) writes:
>
>>YES - I agree completely. Alice and I are a mixed gender couple, but 
>>certainly not a hetrosexual couple. Why shouldn't I do the cooking,
>>washing, etc ? Why shouldn't she play baseball with our boys ? Ofcourse,
>>we have both done it this way.
>
>There seems to be an implicit assumption here that heterosexual couple
>equates to traditional patriarchal man/woman roles.  
>I do not think that this is fair or accurate.
>
>Iseult.

Too true!  I know plenty of couples, who, if we're playing the "sorting into
bins" game, are heterosexual - neither are interested in
"homosexual/bisexual relations", ie are exclusively attracted to / involved
with motos,  - but who are very "liberal" and rarely follow "tradiational"
male/female roles.  They're still heterosexual.

*Sarah*  :)  (knowing full well that she doesn't want to get drawn into the
definitions quagmire, but can't resist this)
-- 
Sarah Thornburg                    | "Love that dirty water.... 
Cambridge Technology Partners      | Boston you're my home." 
sthor@ctp.com                      |
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gripe: soc.motss
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:28:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:




>I might add that the worst soc.bi generally has to deal with are the
>clueless straight boyz who Just Want to Watch.  Over in soc.motss, we
>get to defend all of queerdom from the real hard-core net.phobes.  Makes
>a bit of difference in our attitudes, no doubt.

>--                    __
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
>  "Please help avoid the clutter so we can stay concentrated on what counts:
>   perfume, dog sex, horrible puns, parade dates, and desultory political
>   activism."  -- Jess Anderson, on soc.motss

But it still doesn't excuse the posters attacking their own.  Me, for
instance.  I appreciate the fact that they must deal with phobes...I just
wish they wouldn't deal with non-phobes in the same way.

Drewcifer
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as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: kerry@soda.berkeley.edu (Kerry S. Brodt)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Realisation.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 07:20:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


Well, a few things...
Some of you may remember me from early December when I started to post here
because my SO/Master does, then I disappeared.

I made my way across the US from Maine to Detroit and then on out to sunny
California, the Bay area to be more precise.

*grin* It's great out here.

But I guess the second thing, maybe the most important also is the fact that
during my travels I met the most incredible young woman. She was sensual,
attractive, feminine, compassionate and intellegent. Maybe these were all
the qualities I would like in myself, I don't know.

The other thing about her is that she's a lesbian.

No problems with that I thought, I could handle it. I knew she had some
attraction to me, though I won't dare guess why. But, we ended up in bed
together and I ended up making the moves on her (she had promised me she
would not try to make me do anything I wouldn't want to do with her...:)). I
miss her a lot now, and have been with other women since.

I guess, what I want to say is that now, in my books at least, I am
officially bi. I've told my sister and she replied, "If that's what makes
you happy." I know the idea that her li'il sister being bi worries her, but
she's open minded enough to accept it. She knew I always wanted to try
everything at least once.

My parents on the other hand are another matter. They're 6000 miles away,
mother is in hospital, I would dearly love to call dad up and tell him I was
a dyke at least (he has this fear _his_ only child will never produce
another Brodt in his line). But in a sense, why the hell should they know,
they are no parts of my life, and to be honest, I care for more folk across
the net than I do for my parents. 

Anyhoo, I know some out there who remember me will be ecstatic, others will
just think its a phase. But I've changed a lot lately and am proud to admit;
I love the bodies of men and women alike.
(Though it will take me a while to figure just how much and in which ways).

*grin*

Kerry
From: tjewell@gluttony.reed.edu (Teresa Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ever wonder...
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:04:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <C1GLJz.MLH@world.std.com> smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)  
writes:
> I have yet to find any female-female pornography that has passed muster
> with my female partners. Most of it was done for males, and isn't very
> realistic. Actually, the magazines 'Bad Attitude' and 'On Our Backs' are
> supposed to be very good, but they are not in a place where I could buy
> them without causing a bit of a fuss. (It is definitely uncool for a  
male
> to walk in to a women's bookstore and buy lesbian porn.)
> 
> Scott

Depending on where you live, they might have it at some newsstands.  They  
do in Seattle, but then Seattle is like that.  Or subscribe...

T Jewell
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Sigh... hugs please?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:38:32 GMT

Hugs steven hugs
I hope that things work out.  Don't force it.
It will be OK.  Timing just takes a little while to get right.  hugs
again.
gotta go dear.
and you can always get hugs ya know.

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
If you can't be good,               It just means use your imagination. 
be good at it.  T.B.                     Billy Bragg 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ktfizazi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: NJ Party (was Re: This is a post.)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:27:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.100852.18297@oz.plymouth.edu> j_babylo@oz.plymouth.edu (Jessica L. Babylon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.181453.22284@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>>In article <+aj382@rpi.edu> safarj@rs6323.ecs.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>>>... I used to live near Newark.  Still visit my father... in Wayne,...
>>Wayne?  WAYNE?  You mean that town that if I spit from the edge of my back
>>lawn, I'd hit it?...  Whoa!  So when will you next be in the neighborhood?
>>How does a North NJ soc.bi party sound?  Anyone?  Anyone?
>>Piglet, Haledon resident...
Sounds purrrfect!!! (This is seconding Dave Tepper's motion -- come on
Martha, help us out:)
I wonder where we could have it? (hmmmm)  My room isn't big, but I'm sure that
we can fit people in if we *try* hard enough. ;) 

>Grrrrrr....North Joisey soc.bi party sounds like we'd best move some behinds 
>and get crackin cuz if i miss it i am gonna be mad as all get out *sniffle*
>Looking for hugs now since she knows she wont get to go...*sigh*
*HUGS* Jessica!  Please don't sniffle...  Won't or doesn't _want_ to :P
We'll simply have to imagine you there, you Babylonian Goddess you.
Kamal (do you think that if we concentrate you might let yourself be conjured?)
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: First Post! (was FAQ)
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:46:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.025154.352@midway.uchicago.edu> ss19@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>And boston still has a few trolley lines running.  No more Edaville nearby,

*sigh* I have fond memories of my childhood -- my dad driving my little
brother and I to Edaville Railroad, and riding the train for the
afternoon... I was saddened to read a few weeks ago that it was closing
forever... Did you know it is/was the only railroad of that gauge in the
world?

>but there are other compensations for the area.  I've heard good things
>about the surrounding area, too.  Lowell has been recommended once or twice,
>for instance.

Lowell, huh? Well, I grew up in Arlington, and am currently living in
Somerville (aka Slumerville). The Boston area *is* really nice -- west is
best; the further you go, the nicer it is. I like this city a lot, and not
just because I grew up here. It's the style (Seattle, SF, and [so I've
heard] Atlanta are similar styles) that I like.

>                ____
>  david parsons \bi/ Who will be in Providence in about 2 weeks time.
>                 \/

Hmm. I busted my balls for four years to get OUT of Providence! :-) [I went
to Brown] Where you gonna be in Providence? --Erik

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      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:40:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.103601.24376@infodev.cam.ac.uk> acb@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Amanda Baker) writes:
>Of course, the *really* thoughtful host asks her guests 'will you want
>white tea' and leaves the tea of the 'noes' black!
>
Not to mention enquiring whether any of the 'noes' would prefer lemon
(a few of my relatives, and sometimes myself if I can't get any "exotic"
tea and I'm in that sort of mood.)  Of course, it's a bit futile if you
can't supply the lemon....

--
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SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From:  orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:18:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.234135.10076@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>Hopefully that someone is in the general vicinity of Delaware, since
>that seems to be where the largest concentration of soc.bi'ers is.
>(in the US, that is *wink to the UK*)


  Ahem.

  Betcha Chicago has the largest concentration for the USA.
                ____
  david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                 \/
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:38:46 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

[soc.motss removed from Newsgroups; I'd rather only be reminded of the
group I'm 400 articles behind on because it seems less daunting ...]

jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>Recently, some of the local croowd has begun refering to Coke as the 
>'caffeinated, carbonated, sugar water'. This happens most often at around
>3am over games of Civ, as in "Pass the caffeinated, carbonated, sugar water."

Mike whines, missing the all-nighter East-coast Civ games with
majority-queer players.  There aren't many comparable social
interactions, where one can make advances at the vast bulk of the mixed
crowd present and not be refused on grounds of gender ...

>-jenneke, who has been known to make trades that included shares of 
>	Ben&Jerry's in exchange for a peaceable border.

hugs
Mike, who has been known to make clear that anything from babyoil to
fine scotch was negotiable as part of trading sequences.  Unfortunately
few transactions were ever made, but I *did* manage to do things to
Blair which he indicated were worth a large chunk of Europe and
*several* high-value trade cards ...
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: terryh@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Terry Heatlie - Sun UK - Tech Support )
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:08:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: terry.heatlie@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: virgil.uk.sun.com

In article <C1956E.Lx6@demon.co.uk>, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|> In article <2224@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
|> : ObBiRelevance : is there any sort of correlation between Being
|> : Queer(tm) and a liking of one's appearance/wanting to maintain a
|> : good figure ? (More on the male side, especially) Just odd how my
|> 
|> No.

definitly not.


Regards,
Terry Heatlie.

Disclaimer:  all my own work (except this disclaimer, which I nicked).
*** Nobody knows I'm an anarcho-pacifist vegan bisexual ***
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Talking about sex (was Re: Party Face, Net Face)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:47:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.215152.363@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.193545.26073@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>Why do people persist in talking about sexuality as though it
>>were only about having sex?
>
>I don't think that I was persisting in doing so - if I was, I'm
>sorry.  

No, you weren't -- sorry if I sounded a bit put out.  It was meant
as a general gripe.

It sort-of got tied in with my reply to something Paul
>Crowley wrote, about the differences, the definitional problems
>of "sex", "sexual", and so forth; to that extent, what I was
>saying is involved in your answer.  For example, some people
>may define "sex" to include masturbation; the two-hour drool-cum-
>fantasy I had on the train coming home from Cambridge on Sunday
>was very sexual, even though it was in my head only, centered
>around the person sleeping opposite me, quite oblivious; if
>my fantasy was sex, have I had sex with him but not him with
>me - him being asleep, and all that?

I don't think you can say you've "had sex with" him by any normal
definition.  I've had plenty of fantasies as well, but it would
be *very* odd (not to say misleading) to say that I therefore
wasn't a virgin!

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