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From: lou@ico.isc.com (Lou Warshawsky)
Subject: Choral Concert
Keywords: Ars Nova, Season Premiere
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:35:44 GMT

			  ARS NOVA CHAMBER SINGERS
		       Thomas Edward Morgan, conductor

			       AMERICAN VOICES

	  A program of choral music by American poets and composers,
	       performed by Colorado's premiere chamber choir.

    Join us for an evening of American madrigals, motets, and spirituals,
			      including works by
       Irving Fine, Cary John Franklin, Lee Kesselman, William Hawley,
	      and a special memorial tribute to William Schuman.

Thursday, October 15 - 8:00 p.m.               Friday, October 16 - 8:00 p.m.
St. Elizabeth's Church                            St. John's Episcopal Church
on the Auraria campus, Denver                   14th and Pine Street, Boulder

	       Tickets: $8.00 adults/$5.00 students & seniors.
		Available at the door, or by phone: 440-5561.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU (<y>ork)
Subject: Re: For Sale:  Mac/Lotus 123
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:48:09 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University
Keywords: Mac Lotus 123

A friend of mine is trying to sell the following:

Macintosh Lotus 123 Software and Manuals
Version 1.00  Copyright 1991
Part #8612702
Contains 4 disks and Manuals
Never opened - still in the shrinkwrap

He's asking $90.00 or Make an offer if you want it for sure.

I will accept offers at davisy@cs.colostate.edu for him.

Thanks 

York
The Red Lion
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: georgg@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Georgianna Broadwell)
Subject: looking for Denver/Houston tickets
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 04:19:43 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

	I'm looking for a pair of tickets to the Denver/Houston
game on Oct. 19.  Email "georgg@lamar.colostate.edu".

				Thanks, 
					Georg
Newsgroups: co.general,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,du.misc
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Colorado Common Cause Announces Anti-Corruption Lobbying Action
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:28:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.023659.5703@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ndallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Here is a press release from Colorado Common Cause.
> Common Cause Announces Anti-Corruption Lobbying Action; Leaders
>in Colorado and Nationwide Asked to Make Public Commitments

>   DENVER, Sept. 23  -- Colorado Common Cause, the nonpartisan 
>citizens' lobby, today announced the Colorado kickoff
>of its "Anti-Corruption Campaign,"...

>   As part of the effort, Common Cause has been distributing an
>Anti-Corruption Campaign Commitment statement in an effort to get
>all congressional candidates publicly on record in support of real
>campaign finance reform.  Candidates are asked to sign the
>commitment which states, "I want to change the system in
>Washington.  I publicly commit to support and vote for
>anti-corruption legislation that includes all of [the] essential
>elements of campaign finance reform."

This is fairly meaningless: It simply extracts one more (easily broken)
campaign promise out of the candidates.

A much better approach would have been to examine the voting records of
the candidates (not only of the incumbant: Probably all the candidates
have held _some_ office before), and inform voters of their record.
That is make their past _actions_ on the subject an issue.

>   The Anti-Corruption Campaign Commitment states that real reform
>must include all of the following elements:...

>   * Campaign spending limits and clean public resources for
>congressional elections, such as free or reduced-cost television
>time and mailings...

This isn't possible: Broadcasting and mailings cost money, and you 
simply can't pass a law to make them cheaper. What they really mean
is, "force radio and television stations to pay for campaign ads." 
This sounds suspiciously like taking private property for public use
without just compensation (E.g. a direct violation of the Fifth
Amendment.)

>   2. DAVID SKAGGS (D)             See note
>      Bryan Day (R)                Yes
>      Verne Tharp *                Yes
>
>    INCUMBENTS in all capitals
>    * Independent or third party candidate

I hadn't heard of Tharp before... Which third party is this?

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder
Newsgroups: co.general
From: bruce@igs.com (Bruce DeYoung)
Subject: WANTED: Beater "motorized vehicle" for winter transport ... $200-350
Keywords: inexpensive auto winter working heater good mechanical
Organization: IGS, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:59:16 GMT



My wife and I are looking for an inexpensive vehicle (car, truck, ...) for
use this winter.  She works in Golden, I work in Boulder.  I currently cycle
to work, but want to have a backup when the weather gets too extreme for
cycling in.  Also, I'm at work around 6:30 am and she does not have to be
at work until about 9 am, so I'd hate having to yank (literally :-) her out
of a nice warm bed to take me to the office.

There was a post here a couple of days ago from someone in Ft Collins who 
was advertising an old (~1968) Ford Falcon (not sure of model) in good working
condition for ~$350.  That's the kind of thing we're looking for.  Just a 
good engine with a working heater/defroster and reasonably good tires.

Anyone have an old vehicle taking up space that could use a new home??

Please respond to this group or, preferably, via e-mail to bruce@igs.com.

Thanks,

Bruce
 


Newsgroups: co.general
From: ggray@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Glenn Gray)
Subject: ==>FOR SALE: 92 Buick Park Ave. Ultra
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 21:35:29 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School

BUICK, 1992 Park Avenue Ultra, 17k, Beige, leather, loaded, mint.  Death in 
family. $23,500.

ggray@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu
Glenn F. Gray
3201 Norwood Ct.
Fort Collins, CO 80525
303-226-3906
Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Summary:  Mac service centers
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:11:46 GMT

Awhile ago I asked here for Mac service center recommendations.
There were few replies but a clear winner:  C W Electronics,
just S of downtown Denver, 303-832-1111.  They are a class act.

Other words of wisdom:
  o Apple was no help.
  o Envisio video out boards for PowerBooks are bad news.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: joslyn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Christopher Joslyn)
Subject: Small Claims Court
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:22:01 GMT

Hi all in NetColorado!

Well, it looks like I'm going to be joining the masses who
have had to take someone to court to get their money back,
and I was wondering if anyone has had any good/bad/indifferent
experiences with the small claims court.  I have this funny
feeling it doesn't work like the People's Court.  Basically,
any information would be helpful.

I'll post a summary if I get enough responses.

Thanks!

 - Christopher  (joslyn@spot.Colorado.EDU)

-- 
-----  Purgamentum Init, Exit Purgamentum  ------------------------------------
Christopher M. Joslyn       *    home - (303) 449-5497      *  "Overworked,
joslyn@spot.Colorado.EDU    *    work - (303) 530-9000      *   Underpaid
chrisj@pvi.com              *    TV   - (xxx) 555-3245      *   Undergrad"
From: edavis@nyx.cs.du.edu (ethan davis)
Newsgroups: nyx.forsale,co.general
Subject: For Sale:  SoundBlaster sound board, $100obo
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:17:50 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

For Sale:  Sound Blaster Sound Board with speakers and microphone.
           (for IBM-PC's and compatibles)

     - MIDI interface/game port
     - Digitized Voice I/O
     - 11-Voice FM music
     - text-to-speech synthesizer
     - FM organ software
     - and other software

$100 obo

Call 303/939-0033 ask for Ethan or leave a message.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: mcclell@convex.com (Alan McClellan)
Subject: 1-way ticket:Denver-Santa Barbara
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:39:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


For Sale
--------

What: 		One-way ticket [United Airlines] from 
      		Colorado Springs/Denver to Santa Barbara.

Date: 		Monday, November 23.a

How Much:	$120 o.b.o.


-Alan
mcclell@convex.COM


Newsgroups: co.general
From: ssds@teal.csn.org (Mike Prudhomme)
Subject: Seminar: Transition to Open Systems
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:51:45 GMT



                                     Contact: Pam Goodhue
                                       Voice: (303) 790 0660
                                         Fax: (303) 790 1663
			             Internet:  psg@ssds.com                                                            
                                                            
		  EDUCATIONAL SEMINAR ON
                "TRANSITION TO OPEN SYSTEMS"

	             October 28, 1992
                       8:00 - 12:00
	               Sheraton DTC
                             
     ENGLEWOOD, CO--Data General and SSDS, Inc. will sponsor
a free educational half day seminar addressing migration to
"Open Systems" on October 28, 1992.  This seminar will
provide critical information on the most practical course to
follow in the migration to an "Open Systems Environment".

     The seminar will discuss: what is an Open Systems
Environment, challenges Information Systems Managers face in
the transition to an Open Systems Environment, choices that
exist for Open Systems protocols today and ways Open Systems
architecture can be supported across various hardware
platforms.

     If your corporation is using computer systems as a
strategic asset for a competitive edge this seminar will
better your knowledge of the Open Systems Environment, 
Transition and Rightsizing.

Newsgroups: co.general
From: paul@clinicom.com (Paul Orland)
Subject: 2 Tix DEN->NYC For Sale
Summary: Tickets for sale
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:00:38 GMT
Organization: CliniCom Incorporated, Boulder, CO
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Two Round-Trip Continental Tickets

Leave Denver 7 OCT 10:45A, Arrive Newark 4:30P

Leave Newark 19OCT 5:28P, Arrive Denver 7:47P

One Male, One Female

**  $416 for the PAIR! **

Paul @ 303/443-9660 Ext. 219  -or-  303/443-2926

--------------------------------------------------------------
Paul Orland - Mgr. Systems Engineering - CliniCom Incorporated
    		       paul@clinicom.com
Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Summit and Pitkin County Dedicated sites?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:14 GMT

Colorado SuperNet is looking for sites to place Dedicated and
Dialin gear in Summit and Pitkin Counties (actually, Aspen and
Glenwood Springs, if they're not both in Pitkin).  The winners
get a deal on a 56K link to the Internet.

The idea site is a high tech company, library, or school not 
intending to move and close to a U S WEST central office, with 
a clean space for a 19" rack and excess in-house twisted pair 
wiring (no asbestos, please) and trunk capacity with U S WEST.

We actually have a few sites picked out, but I wanted to check
with the general community in case we've overlooked someone.  
If you know of a potential site, please communicate with me 
quickly, as time is short.

	David Menges, Colorado Springs, dcm@csn.org, 303-273-3471.

PS.  Just curious, how many people would use an Internet access
kiosk (terminal room) at a ski area to check email between ski
runs ;^) ? 
Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general
From: jensen@neocad.com (Jeff Jensen)
Subject: Bed for sale
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:02:30 GMT

Full size double bed.  Box spring, mattress, frame.
No head board. Good condition.

$50.00
-- 
  Jeff Jensen   Neocad Inc.   2585 Central Ave.   Boulder, CO 80301
  (303) 442-9121 X116  Internet: jense@neocad.com  UUCP: neocad!jensen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"... watch from high atop Tokyo Tower as the twisted world you created
From: ken@sycraft.com (Ken Richardson)
Newsgroups: co.politics
Subject: Amendment 2:  What is my motive?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:33:11 MDT
Distribution: co
Organization: SyCraft Software, Colorado Springs CO

In article <1992Sep26.202751.748@linus.mitre.org>, cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch) writes:
> 
> Oh, and one more thing.  In my opinion, if anyone is looking for a license,
> it is the proponents of Amendment 2 -- they want a license to terminate
> employees that are homosexual (or for that matter, those that they
> _suspect_ are homosexual, because as you point out, who can tell for sure),
> they want a license to evict homosexuals from their homes, and so on.  In
> fact proponents of Amendment 2 want a license to persecute homosexuals in
> general.  From what I have seen and heard, proponents of Amendment 2 _HATE_
> homosexuals, and if ratified, Amendment 2 would legally allow them to
> persist in their hate and discrimination.

I've been watching this stream for a few days, and I've concluded that
there's quite a bit of second-guessing going on.  The paragraph above is
just one example, but many of the recent postings are equally guilty.

What do I mean?  Basically that broad-stroke statements are being made that
presume the motives and feelings of others - and that are most likely
wrong.  For example:

> proponents of Amendment 2 want a license to persecute homosexuals in general.

and

> From what I have seen and heard, proponents of Amendment 2 _HATE_
> homosexuals, and if ratified, Amendment 2 would legally allow them to
> persist in their hate and discrimination.

How do we know that proponents of Amendment 2 want to persecute
homosexuals?  Or that they hate homosexuals?  Those are opinions, not
salient facts.  In fact, those statements carry the tone of "I hate
proponents of Amendment 2, because they hate homosexuals" - a pretty
untenable position.

I have to say, it seems reasonable to me to keep the freedom to choose to
whom I will rent a room in my own house.  Consider for a moment - if you
were raising children, but you needed to rent out a room to make ends meet,
wouldn't you want the freedom not to rent to those whose values were
contrary to the values you were teaching your children.  Would you want to
rent to a neo-nazi?  A skinhead?  A pedophile?  A (pick one you're not)
communist/socialist/capitalist/republican/democrat?  Maybe you wouldn't
care, but I would.

Parents should be free to protect their children from influences they
sincerely believe to be inappropriate.  Including homosexual tenants.
This is arguably a natural right.  Amendment 2 protects that right.

My motivation for supporting it is not "to hate others" - it is to protect
the right of parents to raise their children according to their own value
systems.  Amendment 2 stirs emotion in us all, but it is presumptious to
attribute evil motives and feelings to those who disagree with our own
position.
--------------------------------------------
Ken Richardson		SyCraft Software
ken@sycraft.com		Colorado Springs, CO
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Gay Rights and the U.S. Supreme Court test
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:13:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.225004.28682@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  Gays do not have "special" rights, rather, those rights that they do have
>  need protection from the ignorant and intolerant. I wouldn't call the ban-
>  ning of "literacy" tests (used as a means to prevent blacks from voting) as
>  granting blacks a "special" right to vote, likewise, the laws passed by
>  Denver, Boulder, Aspen (and whatever other cities that I can't remember)
>  do not grant "special" rights to gays.

I'm not sure the comparison to literacy tests is valid: The ban on literacy
tests didn't direct it at a single group (E.g. it wasn't a ban on literacy
tests used to keep blacks from voting, it was just an across the board
ban on an easilly abused proceedure.) As such _everyone_ enjoys the
protection against these tests. Even though blacks benifited most from
this, everyone still enjoyed the equal protection of this law.

As I understand the local laws you refer to, they don't do this at all:
They specifically protect homosexuals _only_ and provide special 
means to protect their rights. This denies equal protection of the law,
by giving some groups superior protections.

Instead of a law regarding discrimination against gays in the workplace,
how about a law requiring that all hiring, firing and promoting decisions
be made solely on the basis of work-related skills and on the job 
preformance?

>cw> ONLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN REMOVE THOSE BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS !!!!!
>  Wrongo. The Constitution does not empower the federal government to grant
>  rights, rather, it defines and delimits what powers the federal government
>  has. Rights are non-negotiable and pre-existent, as stated in the Declar-
>  ation of Independence.

Rights are pre-existant, but not non-negotiable. In the process of granting
the government powers, the people also had to waive some of their rights.
There isn't anything wrong with this, so long as it is done by the consent
of the people (as in virtually all the people, not simply a majority...)
There is a legal mechanism by which the people can waive additional 
rights and further empower the governemnt. It's called a constitutional
amendment. 

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder

Newsgroups: co.politics
From: farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow)
Subject: Jeff Hull read this
Reply-To: farrow@fido.Colorado.EDU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:04:35 GMT

Jeff, I've tried to reply to your mail twice and it bounced both
times. I may be having problems with my mailer, let me work on it
a bit.

Scott

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
J. Scott Farrow - Student Programmer & Operator, Computing & Network Services
University of Colorado at Boulder, (303) 492-4428 ,farrow@spot.colorado.edu, 
HATE is not a family value. - Vote NO on Amendment #2.
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Gay Rights and the U.S. Supreme Court test
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:25:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.200424.451@linus.mitre.org> cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch) writes:
>> Instead of a law regarding discrimination against gays in the workplace,
>> how about a law requiring that all hiring, firing and promoting decisions
>> be made solely on the basis of work-related skills and on the job 
>> preformance?

>Well, OK but what about the homosexual who gets kicked out of his/her
>apartment because their landlord is intolerant of homosexuals?

Similarly, a law could be passed requiring legidimate reasons for
eviction.

I'm essentially suggesting that anti-discrimination laws should be
written to protect _all_ people who are treated unfairly, not to 
protect the rights of a specific group (thereby making violating
the equal protection of the law.) All principle of rights asside,
laws protecting a specific group actually make things worse: It
makes some others feel hurt and resentfull, because someone else is
getting "special" treatment (possibly) at their expense. Affirmative
Action hiring and admission policies are a clasis example. This 
tends to increase, not reduce, hatred (which is, after all the real
problem.)



                                     Frank Crary
                                     CU Boulder

Newsgroups: co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2:  What is my motive?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:08:35 GMT

>I have to say, it seems reasonable to me to keep the freedom to choose to
>whom I will rent a room in my own house. 
 
It's reasonable, but you cannot keep what you don't currently have: Your
freedom of choice in this respect is already violated, by existing 
anti-discrimination laws. The real question of Amendment 2 is whether
or not homosexuals should one of the protected minorities. I personally
see it as an all-or-none situation, where everyone should be protected
against discrimination if anyone is. (Of course, this is alien to the
whole concept of protected minorities...)

>Consider for a moment - if you
>were raising children, but you needed to rent out a room to make ends meet,
>wouldn't you want the freedom not to rent to those whose values were
>contrary to the values you were teaching your children.  Would you want to
>rent to a neo-nazi?  A skinhead?  A pedophile?  A (pick one you're not)
>communist/socialist/capitalist/republican/democrat?  Maybe you wouldn't
>care, but I would.

And, of course, there are good reasons against such anti-discrimination 
laws.

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder