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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Buying an old Police car
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:41:52 GMT

In article <Sep.13.16.21.16.1992.6884@oliver.rutgers.edu>, livneh@oliver.rutgers.edu (Shai Livneh) writes:
|> A question to the netters:
|> 
|> I'm looking into buying an old police car (preferably
|> an 87-90 Chevy Caprice with a 350 and the standard
|> police package additions.  Does any one out there have
|> one or had one at one point?  Are there any problems
|> I should be looking for after I buy it?  Where should 
|> I get it? (I think it would be cheapest at an auction
|> but what about other places such as leasing companies
|> or private sellers)  Also, how much should I expect to 
|> pay? (obviously you can't get a blue book value easily).
|> Thanks in advance for any help.
|> 					Shai

In 1981 I bought a 1977 Dodge Royal Monaco police cruiser (ex Mass.
State Police) with the HD Police Pursuit Package.  This included the
440 V8 which was rated at about 400 HP.  This was one of the best
cars I ever owned, it never needed anything.  It had 110,000 miles 
when I bought it. I paid $800 and the dealer painted over the police
marking.

This car was so fast it was unbelievable.  It was at its fastest
when you were already moving, i.e. between 40-100 MPH.  The pickup
was awesome.  You could actual notice the gas gauge move as you were
driving, it got about 8 MPG.  I used to cruise in the passing lane
at 95 MPH with the high beams and search light on, and cars would 
be moving aside a mile ahead of me.  I even passed cop cars at that
speed and never got a ticket, the car looked exactly like an unmarked
car.  The best thing about the car besides the speed was the sound 
it made when you pinned it and all 4 barrels opened up.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Subject: BMW stereo outputs 
Reply-To: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:22:32 GMT

Does anyone know if the satndard BMW am/fm cassete=te that was used in the early & mid 80s has inputs a la RCA?  I'd like to put a CD player in.  

Any suggestions?

 (never mind the pro & anti muscle car bullshit).



thanx
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Help solve electrical problem in my car !!!!
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:57:12 GMT



|> In article <1992Sep8.222121.29049@exu.ericsson.se>, ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se writes:
|> > In article 715983340@Ra.MsState.Edu, mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
|> > >
|> > > Hello World,
|> > >	     I have a Nissan 2000SX that wouldn't start due to an electrical
|> > > failure. All the electrical systems seem to work fine in the beginning.
|> > > Battery is fine too. As long as the ignition is in 'ON' position everything
|> > > is fine. But as soon as I turn the key to crank it up everything goes down
|> > > and comes back after few minutes. 
|> > >
|> > > There is no sound of ANYTHING. It just dies.
|> > >
|> > 
|> > It could be as simple as oxide build-up on your battery. Clean both
|> > connectors, add a little ptroleum jelly (Vaseline) and try again. 
|> > 
This might be on the right track. One good test is to turn on the headlights
and turn the key to the start position. If the lights go out completely,
you have a bad connection, and it may not be at the battery. Check, clean,
and retighten all 4 connections: 2 at the battery, 1 at the engine block
or frame, and 1 at the solenoid.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Fog out of A/C Ducts
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:53:55 GMT

In article <92252.215420U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>The Air Conditioning ducts on my Infiniti G20 blow a white, mist-like fog
>when the air has been on for a while.  No odor.

In article <1992Sep9.182523.6268@unixg.ubc.ca>
george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow) writes:
>I rented a Sentra two summers ago to go visit the States and it did the
>same thing. I'm still here... :)

I guess it's a Nissan thing. The Sentra E I rented did the same thing once.
I'm here to tell it.

-- 
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OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
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From: lturvy@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Larry.Turvy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: message for mustang man in new england
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:51:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR, E&M Dayton

I'm trying to get in touch with the person who lives in the
New England area (New Hampshire?) who posts his quarter mile
time in his sig.  Please respond - I have a mustang question
for you.

Thanks

Larry Turvy
From: c23vgs@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Victor Sperry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: I HATE SHABBY MECHANICS
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:24:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Originator: c23vgs@kobcsw08


In article <1992Sep10.030801.6017@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> 
> I agree that the independant repair shop is badly positioned in the
> car repair market, and automakers are making that situation worse by
> not standardizing car computer interfaces and repair codes and the like
> (gee, I wonder why...)
>

Actually, we are.  Look for standardization in the next few years.

[other stuff deleted]

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From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Keywords: BOOM
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:15:25 GMT

In article <79210@ut-emx.uucp> rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jon D. Rodder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.130758.12545@alw.nih.gov> pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
>>Moscow Public Transportation Authorities bought a number of natural gas
>>(methane)-fueled buses 2 years ago. Both economy and pollution effects
>>seemed tremendous.
>>
>>A year later thet gave up after an impressive fire (fortunately *not* a
>>real explosion) 
>
>The primary similarity between hydrogren and methane (natural gas) as
>automotive fuel is that they the most common storage method is a
>gaseous form at ~3000psi, and that similar equipment can be used
>since they are both gaseous.  
>Hydrogen has quite a few problems that methane does not
[stuff deleted]

As far as I remember, they used a cryogenic technique in Moscow. I.e. low
temperature instead of high presssure. This is also easier to accomplish if
one uses methane rather than H2.

BTW, another way to *compress* hydrogene is to take advantage of its
ability to form solid solutions in metals. A gentle heating would give all
the H2 back. The idea was discussed in 70ties, and it seemed that a metal
solvent *may* weight less than a high-pressure tank. Unfortunately, the
best *solvents* were of platinum group alloys ;-) I dunno if they ever find
anything cheaper.

>As far as methane vs gasoline goes, I feel much safer with 3000 psi
>methane in my research NGV than I do with 6 psi gasoline in rubber
>hose in my Camaro.  If the NGV has a fuel leak, the fuel dissapates.
>If the Camaro has a fuel leak, it puddles up and/or coats surface.
>My natural gas tanks can also withstand a much greater impact than
>a gasoline tank could.  In the example of the methane fueled busses
>you mentioned, take good note of the fact that the was a fire but no
>explosion, and think of what would have happened if the fuel had been
>gasoline... also, what started this fire you speak of?  Fuel leak
>(improper installation!)?, electrical?, what?  In the event that there
>is a fire around the tanks in a NGV, there are heat actuated pop-off
>on the tank (look like little burners, actually) to prevent tank
>explosion...  they make a nice fire, but no boom-boom.

They got a tank (pipe?) destroyed in a collision, and thus *too much*
flames compared to a *less volatile* gasoline. 
Thus buses became considered unsafe. But trucks and taxus continued to use
methane.

	D
From: rgk@ut-emx.uucp (Rich G. Kummer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:34:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <92252.112019WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hello.
>I am just curious as to what advantages the 1992 Mercedes Benz 600SEL
> has over the very similar (except the 12 cylinder engine) Mercedes Benz
> 500SEL?  What makes the 600SEL $35,000+ more than the 500SEL?  It can't
> possibly just be the bigger engine.  Heck, if someone wanted a 12 cylinder
> car they could look to the BMW 850i, 750iL and the Jag XJS models for a lot
> less money.

If I'm not mistaken, the 600SEL comes with an air-conditioning unit (not
just air vents) for the rear-passengers.  I think there are a few more
goodies standard on the 600 that are "optional at extra cost" on the 500.

I believe there's a similar price gap (~$30,000) between the 500SL and the 
600SL as well.  The only differences between the two are 4 extra cylinders,
marginal improvement in acceleration, and the V12 emblem.  

Maybe it *is* just the bigger engine.

The 5.0 V-8 costs ~$35,000 itself (more than a 190E!). 
I have no idea how much the 6.0 V-12 costs.
The BMW 5.0 V-12 produces less hp (297) than the MB 5.0 V-8 (322).

rich@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
-----------------------
Disclaimer:  Speaking only on behalf of myself, and not my employer or
             university.
From: tom.betz@execnet.com (tom betz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: saturn, honda, and japan
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:21:13 GMT
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Newsgroup: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn, Honda, and Japan

Quoth Dave Marshall regarding SATURN, HONDA, AND JAPAN on 09-10-92:

DM>Saturn: Considering the strike at the GM parts plant, I don't think it
DM>as simple as a "union bad" thing.  Not that I am any sort of a UAW sup
DM>but isn't kind of dumb for GM to have so much production dependent on 
DM>plant?

Considering the widely variant nature of the Saturn/UAW contract from the 
normal GM/UAW contract (particulary the contract which obtains at the 
struck plant) it's certainly dumb for them to rely upon a non-Saturn plant 
as the single source for these Saturn parts.  They should either second- 
and third-source these parts from other manufacturers, or they should 
build, as quickly as possible, a metal-stamping facility at their main 
Saturn plant to produce these parts, and simply dump the struck factory as 
a supplier. Then they should examine their parts list for other vulnerable 
parts and do the same.

Of course, being GM, (and with Chevy griping about how Saturn is taking 
away their Geo business, never mind that the Saturn is a superior 
automobile) they won't do this.

As you said, dumb.  Terminally stupid.


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From: RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott)
Subject: Re: 4x4 Lifts (Again)
Organization: Motorola SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:25:28 GMT

In article <Bu9IEH.Mv6@wpi.WPI.EDU>, gregc@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland) writes:
> 
>      Hi!  I've got an '84 Toyota 4Runner (leaf-springs up front) and there
> are still a few things I'd like to do/know.  I've been starting to [seriously]
> look at lift kits, and need some advice.  I live in Massachusetts, but the
> "New England Winters" of late have been highly over-rated.  We've had an
> average of about one decent storm per winter.
> 
>      What I'm looking for:
>           - 2-3" suspension lift
>           - major brand, all components incl.
>           - something I (not a mechanic myself) can install
>           - new shocks (100,000 mi. on the original 8-yr-old ones!)
> 
>      Then, if anyone feels REALLY helpful, I'd like to know what kind of
> wheels/tires you run on your truck, and how you like them.  I'm looking for
> a 30 or 31 inch tire that'll do well on-and-off-road.  So far, I'm considering
> Firestone ATX and BF-Goodrich All-Terrains.
> 


Hi!   I own a 1985 Toyota Xtra cab which has the same suspension as your
4-Runner.  A company called Downey Off-Road in California (310) 949-9494 sells
a 3 inch lift which they claim is legal with 31" tires everywhere.  I just
installed this kit on my truck; it is 4 springs and all associated parts 
needed and was installed in about 5 hours.  I used their Doetsch Tech MV-12
shocks (soft as to allow full wheel travel) and gained 3" more wheel travel at 
each wheel as well as a slightly improved ride. 
I am in a 4WD club and at least one other truck has these springs
on it with good reliability even after some *very* rough four wheeling on 
the rocks and hills in the desert here in Arizona.  Call for one of their 
catalogs, it's very informative.  You may not have heard of Downey in Mass.
but they are well known here in the clubs.
BFG All Terrains are good, Mud Terrains seem to do a little better off road at the
expense of a little more tire noise and somewhat shorter tread life.
The Downey kit is a little more expensive, ($369 for the 4 springs and $185 for the 
4 shocks) than some of the name brands, but from talking to people here, the extra
cost for the softer ride and higher quality is worth it.
Happy Hunting!! Jim
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:49:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep6.114908.21270
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <7740214@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) writes:

>	The Geo Metro XFI is still the winner in the highest EPA city and
>	highway MPG figures. It is higher than the VX. Since Geo is sold
>	by GM, in a sense, Detroit did "top that" and has for several
>	years.

As with all other proported mpg ratings, make sure you confirm this
with someone who owns one.  We had a Geo four door Metro (LSI, I think, I
never remember letters) and the actual gas mileage, without air, in
all conditions with two different drivers was at least 5mpg lower than
what they said on the sticker.  As the dealer said, "There are bound
to be some slight differences car to car...."  

In no way did it do badly, but not that great when you sacrifice so
much in engine for the car with good gas mileage. 

amy
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too much false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:52:07 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Sep8.152108.19067@walter.bellcore.com>
ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes:
>The radar was going off on the Ka band alert 9 out of 10 times
>I was passing a truck.  I found this annoying so I decided to call
>However, it should not be affected by CB radios which I thought was the
>cause of interference from trucks.  Do truck drivers use radar detectors ?

I wonder if you're getting hit w/a device called the "Rashid Collision Early
Warning System" or something like that. It's a device installed on trucks, and
I am sure it's also on the Ka band. I remember reading articles when the first
3-band detectors came out stating that only a small minority of trucks used
Rashid. Maybe it's higher now.

	-Kenny
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 11:55:11 EDT
From: John Foster <32HNBAK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject:    Levi Jeep Stuff

I have a 1977 Levi Jeep with a 304 V-8.  It scoots pretty nice and it
has a new paint job on it (red) which makes it look even nicer.  The
thing about it, though, is that the seats are a little beat up.

If anyone has any info on getting some Levi Jeep bucket seats please
send it my way.  I have the denim brown color ones, but it would be
kind of cool to get the denim blue color.  I have two back seats, one
brown and one blue, but the only bucket seats I have are the ones in
the Jeep, and they are brown.

If anyone has a Jeep and wants to say howdy that's cool, too!

Later,

John
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From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: 1991 Toyota Tercel standard trans
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 15:32:13 GMT

I have a 1991 Toyota Tercel with the standard 5-speed transmission.

The thing never did go into reverse easily.  Also, the car must not
be moving the slightest bit (not even the slightest most gradual
backward roll as I take my foot off the brake) if I am to get it
into reverse.  For example, I'm parked on a VERY SLIGHT incline.
I release the brake and put the clutch in.  The car starts rolling
backwards at about an inch or two a second (Damn slow!).  I cannot
get the thing into reverse.  Is this normal?

-- 
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"You've got to know when to code 'em, know when to load 'em, know when to
emulate, know when to run.  You never count your money, when your sittin' at
the keyboard: there'll be time enough for countin', when the software's done."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: Cellular Phones....
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:07:10 GMT


Ok what I want to know is what these things really cost to 
operate...


It is very easy to get an entery level phone for FREE or for a modest cost 
($50-$100)

But what I want to know is what the thing will cost me to operate....


I understand that you pay a company like cellular ONE a monthly fee plus usage fees according to some pre arranged plan...  But it thst the only cost or do
you also pay a reglar phone pbill on top of that????
How is long distance figured out...  Is it based on where your car is when you place the call or is it based on some local point of reference......
From: st1hg@jetson.uh.edu (Atteberry, Charles R.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:28:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep15.130919.9423@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@iedv7.acd.com ( Jim Grey ) writes...
>In article <1992Sep14.094639.16949@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>>Yes, the mouse-belts are annoying, but they are certainly safer than the
>>ones that are attatched to THE DOOR of the car.  When the door pops open
>>in an accident, you aren't being held in by anything, so SPLAT!  Talk about
>>stupid. 
> 
> 
>I was always under the impression that  it is far, far more likely for a car's
>door to be wedged SHUT during an accident than for it to pop open.
> 
>I am also under the impression that there's some sort of standard that      
>carmakers have to follow about door latch security, and how much force has
>to be exerted on a car before the latch fails.  I thought that amount of force
>was pretty durned high.                                   
> 
>Unfortunately, I have no references to back up my claims.
> 
>jim grey
>jwg@acd4.acd.com


Sorry but my last article got shreaded by this machine.
The problem I have seen with the motorized mouse is people's failure to connect
the lap belt.  This results in severe torsional injuries to the spine, and many
times upper leg injuries.  When asked about seat belt usage this people usually
respond "yes" which is false.  

When Ferrari imported the F40 to the US they had to REMOVE the SIX point harness
and install a motorized mouse type passive system.  Talk about stupidity on the
part of the DOT.
On a different note I recently had 2 patients involved in a left offset head-on
collision with a closing velocity exceeding 60mph.  Normally these would be 
critical patients with massive blunt trauma to the chest, abdomen, and head.
They received only minor injuries, both cars had air bags that deployed AND
BOTH drivers were wearing seat belts. One car was a Mustang the other was a 
Volvo.
                                         Mac
                                   EMT-P, ACLS, BTLS-AI.
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From: denner-alexander@CS.YALE.EDU (Alexander Denner)
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:09:07 GMT

In article <132@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Is there a ceiling on the amount you can accrue toward a car purchase?
>If I charge, say, $100,000 a year, would they really give me $5000 off?
>	Dave

There is a maximum credit of $500 per year for a maximum of 7 years.
According to Today's WSJ, you can also get extra rebates with purchases
at MCI, Avis, Marriot, and some other companies.  (The story is on page B6.)


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From: johnl@pcx.ncd.com (John Light)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:04:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pcx.1992Sep10.010426.22270
Distribution: na
Organization: Graphic Software Systems, Beaverton, OR

In article <pedersen-090992144946@128.157.59.61> pedersen@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Richard Pedersen) writes:
>The fatal flaw of the motorized belts (besides the fact
>that they are annoying) is that the lap belt must be manually attached. 
>Most people I know with these types of belts forget or ignore the lap belt.

I am a seat belt fanatic.  I never go anywhere without my seat belt attached.
I never go anywhere without all my passengers' seat belts attached.  My kids
grew up with seat belts, and complain if I move an inch before they have
finished fastening their belts.  Get the picture?

I got in a car with motorized seat belts and drove a mile before I realized
I hadn't fastened the manual lap belt.  Arrrrgh!

I won't have one.  Nobody should have one.

John Light
johnl@gss.com
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