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From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "No Life 'til Leather" ???
Date: 25 Jul 92 10:26:41 GMT
Organization: The few, the proud... the stupid, the inept

In article <92207.020320DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu> DTG102@psuvm.psu.edu (Dave Gerber) writes:

   I recently heard from someone that one of Metallica's first albums was
   called "No Life 'til Leather".  I believe this is from when Dave Mustaine
   (sp?) was still with them.  Anyone know what was on this?  Anyone know if
   it's possible to get this anywhere?  Thanks for your help!

It's their early demo, not an official record. Probably bootlegged in
umpteen versions.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: jtm@controls.ccd.harris.com (J T Moser)
Subject: Orlando Metallica - Faith No More - GNR Show
Originator: jtm@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:00:46 GMT


My first post, so sorry for any screw-ups.

The Metallica - Faith No More - GNR show in Orlando is NOT Sept. 7 as reported
in this news group earlier (sorry I did could not get the original post included).

It is Wednesday Sept. 2 in the Orlando Cirtus Bowl.  Tickets go on sale
this Saturday (July 25) at 9:00 am.  All tickets are $28.50 + Ticketbastard
charges.  Tickets for the floor of the stadium are general admission.  Tickets
for all other seats are reserved.
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: rjerger@icaen.uiowa.edu (Robert James Erger)
Subject: Bootlegs
Summary: Are there any clean bootlegs?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Keywords: Metallica

I recently bought metallica's "Invasion UK '92"
CD and thought it to be of rather poor sound
quality, typical of Metallica bootlegs.  Since
Metallica allowed legal taping of their shows 
earlier this year, there has to be some good
bootlegs of their live shows somewhere, if
anybody has some titles, I would greatly
appreciate it.


			Thanks,
				BOB
From: c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Cliff (?)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:45:48 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

O.K., I'll expose my ignorance.  Who is /was Cliff, and what is
the big deal?  I admit that I am a new M. fan - just trying to
catch up with all you metal heads-

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: dlb54694@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard)
Subject: Rare JUDAS PRIEST stuff for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:19:56 GMT


   
     Hey,

     I have some Judas Priest stuff for sale, older 12" records
     with remixes/live songs, a few bootlegs (one CD boot), all
     their tapes, etc.  Please email me if anyone's interested.

     thanks

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From: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au (Victim Of Changes,,,)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Justice Fault???
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:55:35 GMT
Reply-To: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: mgallagh@neumann.une.edu.au


This may have been discussed before, however...

I am wondering if anyone knows about a fault on Metallica's
'Justice' album.  Everyone I know who has the album (on vinyl,CD or
tape) has a 'jump' in Eye Of The Beholder - when Hetfield sings

	"Truths to you are lies to me"

Is this an Australia only fault or what?!

							--- Gal ---
From: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (W.G.Day)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Adams & Leppard [decent titles R us] was Re: Doopth (soory, attempt at Homer SImpson)
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:42:04 GMT
Reply-To: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day)
Organization: Computing Lab, The University, Canterbury, Kent. CT2 7NF, UK

In article <1992Jul29.163623.14063@news.columbia.edu>
pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>It's not that I don't like Bryan Adams, but it's just that his chosen music
>style is too similar to Def Leppard's these days (which is really weird since
>neither band has anything to do with each other at all),

Not directly, but Bryan Adams' current album Waking Up The Neighbours was
produced by Adams and Robert John 'Mutt' Lange.  Who produced for
Def Leppard between High 'n' Dry and Hysteria and co-wrote the songs on
the new album.

Like Vartan I have seen both recently separately.  Adams is very different
live to the Mutt Lange spit and polish, and spit and polish and polish and
polish finely refined high quality highly produced production sound of the
record.  The only other Adams album I have at present is Reckless which is
much closer to the sound he and the band do live.  Leppard do there best
at getting ``the'' sound live and do a good job, but as its live you don't
care too much about the fact its only close.

I would recommend that if you haven't seen them then go and see them.  There
are a number of bands I have only got into through seeing them live, Extreme
who supported Adams being a case in point.

>philip

Warren
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: nesdoly@dvinci.USask.Ca (Mark Nesdoly)
Subject: Dave Mustaine's Belt
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:48:17 GMT

Does anyone know where to get a belt just like Dave Mustaine's?  (The belt
is made out of bullets that have been chrome or silver plated)  If anyone
knows where to get one, please post the address/price.


Thanx

-- Mark
From: joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Black Sabbath Music Videos (was: Lets get Sabbath on MTV)
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler)
Organization: SataLink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324

To: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US

PC|  Sick of never seeing Sabbath on MTV?  Well, lets all call
PC|  1-800-DIAL-MTV for the next 2 weeks.  Call before 5pm EST and ask
PC|  for TV Crimes.  If we all call, Sabbath will be the most requested!

Have you actually seen it?   I taped it the first night it "World
Premiered" (Bah!) on Headbanger's Ball, but after that I don't
recall if it was on again.    However, I now can't locate the
tape.   Some other stuff I'm looking for..

You know, on the subject of Black Sabbath Music Videos..   What
do they have?   Off the top of my head, these are what I can
think of..

From the Ozzy Era, I can think of Iron Man, War Pigs, Paranoid.
They're in that Early 70's really funky looking type style, where
most of the time videos were done live.

From the Dio Mk.1 Era, I've seen a clip of a music video for "Neon
Knights", but I've never actually seen the whole thing, or know
if there are any more.

From the Ian Gillan Era, they made two videos, both of which I've
got on tape.   "Trashed", and "Zero The Hero".

From the Glenn Hughes album, I know they did a video for "No
Stranger to Love", but I've never seen it, nor do I know if they
did any more.

From the 3 Tony Martin albums, I knew of no videos from "Eternal
Idol".   From Headless Cross, I know there is a clip for
"Headless Cross" (which I've now *LOST*).   Novelty there is we
get to see session man "Laurence Cottle".    I don't know if
there are any more videos from HC.    From "Tyr", I've got the
video from "Feels Good To Me" on tape, once again, I don't know
if there are any more.

And of course, there's "TV Crimes" from Dehumanizer.   (Crappy
Video, tho).

Is that it?   What else is there, and if you've got any of these
on NTSC, send me some mail, I'd be interested in talking to you..
             
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: batman@olorin.dark.sub.org (Thomas Fischer)
Subject: Re: Pink Bubbles Go Ape Artwork
Keywords: helloween
Organization: Olorin, NeXT Development & System Administration, FRG
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:04:30 GMT

tuna@leland.Stanford.EDU (tuna karayel) wrote:
>Does anybody have info about Helloween's current status? Are they still 
>together?

Yep, they are. They did a short tour in Germany about two months ago and
now they're probably already working on their next album.

And they're taking part in the SuperRock festival on August, 15th at Mannheim,
Germany (yet again... ;-)).
 
 Thomas
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: toriver@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Tor Iver Wilhelmsen)
Subject: Re: Essential prog metal albums
Organization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 13:00:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.232504.23757@wpi.WPI.EDU> martino@encore.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
>Just to start a thread, and mainly to help me find some good new music, what
>would people say are some prog metal albums you MUST listen to.  Not just
>very good albums, but albums with music you never thought was even possible!
>
>Rob
>

I will add another vote to an earlier poster who mentioned Mekong Delta, who
are my second favourite metal band (sencond to Metallica, who are also
progressive in that they change a lot from album to album). Mekong Delta
hail from Germany, as far as I can tell, and I have the following albums
from them (all on Japanese import CDs, Aaargh records):

"Mekong Delta" & "The Music of Erich Zann"   ( The latter title is a
reference to a story by H.P. Lovecraft, they have a song that sort of
tells the story of the short story by Lovecraft. The music is more trad.
metal than their later suff. "Mekong Delta" is called "First" here.)

"Dances of Death (And Other Walking Shadows)" ( A "metal symphony" with
lyrics, two other songs and a metal version of "Night on Bald Mountain" that
I like).

"Principle of Doubt" & "Toccata" ( The latter is an EP. "PoD" is probably
the best single album of the bunch IMHO.)

	The band uses a lot of references to the works of Lovecraft and
such, and the lyrics are very good. The music is complex to say the least,
with a lot of weird (but "right") changes in speed and timing. They have
instrumental versions of pieces by the composer Modest Mussogorsky (the
aforementioned "NoBM" and most sections of "Pictures at an Exhibition").
Being also a fan of classical music from the 1800's and up, I find this a
most interesting idea - the only other metal band I know of who did something
like it were Rainbow/Deep Purple.

I can try to send the album id-numbers if there is interest.

- Tor Wilhelmsen
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Standard disclaimer should apply to this, I guess...
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: New Dream Theatre album--  how is it??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:05:05 GMT

	The subject line does say it all.  I haven't been able to find
_Images and Words_ around here yet.  Apparently the places that got it
only got a few copies and those sold out fast.  What do other folks think
of it?


	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: elmebm@urc.tue.nl (Bert Muller)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Exactly what is Prog Metal?
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:30:11 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <1992Jul22.012355.10376@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gse9k@holmes.acc.
Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) writes:
 
> And anyone else, if you know of some progressive metal stuff
> that's not on the list, PLEASE add to the list...there's not
> much out there, and people like me are *dying* to hear more.
>  
> scott

OK, here are a few progressive alternative metal bands I haven't seen on this 
list yet:

- Soundgarden
- Pearl Jam
- Prong

Bert
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: hkau@jyu.fi (Harri J Kaukovuo)
Subject: progressive?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:45:56 GMT

There were many strange names in the earlier lists of
suggested progressive metal bands. I have to check out some of those
bands.

What do you think about Warrior Soul? Progressive or what? (definetly
not industrial...)



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From: hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: What do some bands sound like
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:32:13 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


<15562@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:

> Just curious.  I've heard a lot about so-called industrial 
> metal bands (Godsflesh).  Could anybody post a musical 
> description of their sound 

What do Godflesh sound like ? The music of Godflesh consists of layers
of deep, distorted rhythm guitars, heavily processed vocals, and a
drum machine pounding out a slow, relentless beat. The music is dark,
brooding and very, very heavy. Grindcore meets industrial dance. Now
that the guitarist from Loop (whose name I keep forgetting - sorry!)
has joined the band, melodic snippets rear their strange heads here
and there.

> and any good albums to buy to get acquainted with.  

You should check out their latest album, "Pure". Almost 80 minutes of
classic Godflesh.

Hans


P.S. A few weeks ago I had a review of "Pure" in rec.music.reviews; the
article may still be available at your site.

P.P.S. A lot of Godflesh fans hang out in rec.music.industrial.


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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: smiller@bgsu.edu (scott miller)
Subject: Pistols' lyrics
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:10:27 GMT

Sorry if this posting is inappropriate for this newsgroup, but
I didn't see an alt.fan.punk.  If you would rather direct me to
one than to answer, that's ok too.


I'm looking for the lyrics to some songs by the Sex Pistols.
Rotten's lyrics are kind of all jumbled up and I'm just wondering
if any of you out there have been able to get all the words down
to any of these songs:

-Holiday in the Sun
-Bodies (I've got most of these words)
-Submission

			Thank you,
			Scott
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: mfc1493@zeus.tamu.edu (Ratboy)
Subject: Re: Exactly what is Prog Metal?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:45:00 GMT

> 
>>Some progressive metal bands:
>>
>>Fates Warning
>>Dream Theater
>>Queensryche
>>Watchtower
>>Toxik
>>King Diamond
>>Annihilator
>>King's X
>>Athiest
> 
>These are all normal thrash or metal bands.  Nothing really different about
>most of them IMHO.  Does progressive just mean that they have special lyrics
>or something?

Hmmm. I'd have to disagree about Fates Warning. Jazz influenced metal is rare.
Plus, check out the lyrics. Poetry.

Michael
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Progressive Metal?
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:27:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <EIVERSON.92Jul22120908@mykene.nmsu.edu> eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) writes:

>Talk about oxymorons.  What's next?  alt.folk.industrial?

Sure, they play that stuff in PA all the time!




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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: orpheus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Owen Duncan Smith)
Subject: Re: Exactly what is Prog Metal?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.200252.3444@math.ucla.edu> jborzell@oak.math.ucla.edu (Joseph Borzellino) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.012355.10376@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) writes:
>>randyb@calera.com  writes:
>>>>>So what exactly do you mean by progressive metal?
>>>I second this.  What is "progressive metal"?  Alternative-ish?
>>> 
>>>>Fates Warning
>>>>Dream Theater
>>>>Queensryche
>>>>Watchtower
>>>>Toxik
>>>>King Diamond
>>>>King's X
>>>>Athiest
>>> 
>Iced Earth
>Xentrix
>Mercyful Fate
>Voivod
>Destruction (esp.  Release from agony)
>Revenant
>Despair
>
Might I add?  (these have been mentioned somewhere I'm sure):
Galactic Cowboys
Drive
and maybe even Rush, Metallica, (King Crimson?  check Fripp's heavy guitar
 on LTinA1, Fracture, Red, etc.), ...

Looking forward to a REAL metal discussion group! (no offense to current
metal groups, of course :) -- orpheus@leland.stanford.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489)
Subject: Re: Exactly what is Prog Metal?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:22:57 GMT

From article <1992Jul24.060639.344@news2.cis.umn.edu>, by donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous):
> 
> Seems to me that one of the better "progressive metal" bands around would have
> to be Milwaukee, Wisconsin's pride, Realm. 

well, they're not our "pride" per se.  i mean they're cool and all, but
we do have a lot more here.  try die kreutzen, feck,  or my personal 
favorite arion black (email me if you're interested in getting their 
new tape _threejawchuck_). 

tho i doubt that any of them fit the definition of progressive used 
here to date (they're too interesting), both feck and arion black played 
at this year's _metal_fest_ w/ about 30 other bands from around the world.

>                                            Judex


-don.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden?
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.040338.2002@wpi.WPI.EDU> martino@encore.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
>One of the bands that got me from mainstream to progressive music was Iron 
>Maiden a few years ago.  I always thought they were different, a lot of
>meter changes and key modulations, does anyone think of them as progressive?

My opinion is that any band from the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, 
especially Iron Maiden, Raven, Praying Mantis, Diamond Head, and Venom, 
Angel Witch, and Vardis were progressive at one time or another mostly
because they evolved heavy metal from the old styles used by Zeppelin, Sabbath,
and other First Wavers.
>
>My favorite album of theirs is probably the concept album Seventh Son of
>a Seventh Son, about the adventures of a guy with special powers.
>
>Somewhere in Time and the new one Fear of the Dark aren't bad, I don't listen
>to IM that much anymore though.

Those three are among my favorite IM albums, including Killers. Good stuff.

>Maybe the older stuff (first couple albums) were straigtforward metal but
>when you get into long pieces like Rime of the Ancient.. and Seventh Son...
>there seems to be more of a progressive element.
>
>They have a unique sound that isn't mainstream sounding at all to me, even
>more commercial oriented songs like Can I Play with Madness? sound good
>without that pop/poser sound.
>
I'm not sure that they're commercial oriented, but they do have that more
popular vocal-oriented melody, but yes, 'Arry, Adrian, Bruce, and Dave know
how to write good vocal-oriented songs without sacrificing their integrity.
I really don't think their time has passed at all, like some of other people
on these metal nets think.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive