HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:17:42 EST
From: <THN107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: rich vampires

In article <eu4RTB5w165w@west.darkside.com>, melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
says:
>
>      You forgot to mention that unmistable metallic tang that blood has.
> It varies from person to person though.  Mine is more salty with a
>pronounced tang.  Others however are sweeter.  But there's always that
>tang.

My blood is very sweet, almost like honey.  I've noticed the tang in other
people's blood.  Thank-you for mentioning it.  I had forgotten that aspect of
my favorite drink.  I'm afraid I'm growing tired.  I'm going to finish
reading the rest of this newsgroup and then go get a something to drink.  The
thirst can be quite unbearable.
-T
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Vampire, Vampyre, and Wooden Bullets
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 13:09:35 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu


In article <Bx92tB.3EM@cs.bham.ac.uk>, ard@cs.bham.ac.uk (Antoni Diller) writes:
> In article <Ht-=GmB@engin.umich.edu> ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka) writes:
> >
> >	As everyone knows, VAMPIRE is the standard word used to refer to the
> >immortal, blood-drinking, shape-shifting, etc. 'Evil' 'Creature of the Night.'
> >What people may not know is that VAMPYRE also refers to a blood-drinker - but
> >one that is not immortal, evil or anything else.  Essentially, a vampyre (at
> >its most unglamorous translation) is a human that drinks blood.
> >
> 
> I haven't looked it up in a historiacl dictionary, but I'd be very surprised
> if that were true.  `Vampyre' is just an old-fashioned way of spelling
> `vampire'; and another term used a lot is `nosferatu'; furthermore, `the
> undead' is also used.
> 
> And by the way, vampires are not immortal; they can be killed by driving a
> stake through their hearts, cutting off their heads and burning the corpse.
> As my grandmaother from the old country you used to tell me.
> 
> 
> Antoni Diller

	Yes, but that is the only way to kill the vampire.  If you just stake 
them, something can pull it out later and it will get up and wander around again.  The vampyre can be killed by shooting it with a gun, running it over
with a semi-truck, or making it particpate in Michigan bungee jumping.
(If you don't get the ref, check old news articles from the summer).  The point
is that vampires are glamorous immortal undead, while vampyres are as mundane
as someone like Jeffrey Dahmer.  (Say, you don't think...)

"F"
From: brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:08:49 GMT

flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>   To be a vampire that kills to live is to be a ruthless and selfish 
>person. You must care about yourself much more than anyone else because
>everyone is a potential target for you. You can't let yourself think
>about the fact that you have destroyed another's life full of hopes
>and dreams so that you can live a little longer, or that you must keep
>doing this until time finally catches up with you. Everyone and everything
>is subservient to your needs. You must care about yourself enough that
>you are willing to go through a meticulous cover up every time you kill.
>finally you must be willing to live in fear. If you should ever be exposed
>then you will be obliterated. 

Hmm, I cannot classify a being as evil, even if they fit the description
above.  

For example, if I had to make a decision, a person I don't know will die
or I will die, I will choose for the other person to die.  If necessary,
I will kill them so that I may live.   This scenario assumes no middle
ground allowing both of us living.    A vampire who needs to kill to survive
may be following that rule, either they die, or someone else does.

Evil might be someone who kills people just to kill them, for no justified
reason.  The line for vampires is thin, and a vampire could easily step
over the line.  That doesn't make all of them evil though.

brian moffet
--
"Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid, sorry lot."
                           -- Jonathan Quist

brianm@sco.com  or uunet!sco!brianm                    Speaking for Myself
From: jan10@cd.amdahl.com (jim Nimmer)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: snack.gif (0/12)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:27:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Could someone repost this?  Only a few parts made it here. 
Thanks in advance.

		Jim
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: Vampire, Vampyre, and Wooden Bullets
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:54:08 GMT

In article <92309.200328THN107@psuvm.psu.edu> <THN107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>        As for the movie Sundown:  The Vampire in Retreat, I especially
>>enjoyed the idea of wooden bullets to kill vampires (no way someone`s going to
>>remove all those splinters from the heart).  Of course, those of us in CHILL
>>also have another idea:  take an ordinary shotgun shell and fill it with tiny,
>>silver, blessed crosses.  That will annoy a vampire to no end!
>
>I suggest you watch 'Subspecies'.  In this movie, a shell from a shotgun is
>filled with tiny wooden rosary beads.  Oh...if a vampire could mate with a
>sorceress or a mortal, what would the children be?
>
>-T

Vamps are rendered sterile aren't they?

-- 

               Life is too short, no matter how long you live.

                                                -- Michael Landon
From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Werewolves
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:12:27 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Greetings...
>      I feel that the key statement in this posting was:
>   ]>I opposed it with all my thirteen-year-old's will.
>      The mind is a very powerful tool and a child entering puberty often
>   feels like their body (or mind) is trying to fight against them - Please
>   don't take this as a flame, I'm just offering a _possible_ solution...
>      Just my thoughts...
>                         - Jonathan

      There was a report just released on CNN that said that after 10 
years of detailed measurements, the AMA now says that infants and young 
children grow in spurts of up to one inch a day (& then don't grow till 
another spurt hits them).  This might explain the stretching he was 
feeling.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Vlad?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:14:30 GMT

In article <BxM1CL.Hvw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna) writes:
|> v116qhth@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I'm not evil...I'm just good looking) writes:
|> 
|> >  What's the connection between Vlad (the Impailer I am assuming) and Dracula?
|> >  Same guy?
|> 
|> 	The connection is this.  Vlad's father was called Dracul(sp?).
|> 	The word Dracula means the son of Dracula!
|> 	

That's an understatement. While it is true, Bram Stoker based his fictional
Count Dracula on a combination of Vlad Tepes the Impaler (aka Dracula) and
Romanian folklore concerning vampires. Stoker did extensive research on these two
subjects before writing his classic novel. If you get a chance read the book "In
Search of Dracula," which gives a detailed history of Vlad the Impaler, and a
fairly good overview of Vampire lore, besides an excellent filmography of Vampire
movies. One of the author's last name is Florescu, I forgot the other guy's name.
I think this is the best non-fiction book on vampires. Lots of neat
pictures, too. How about those 16th century woodcuts of Vlad feasting on human
flesh while hundreds of peasants are being impaled on 10-foot high wooden stakes
all around him?

Though it's been posted before, a quick reprise of Vlad's career may better
answer your question. Vlad (Dracula) was a 15th(?) century Prince of Wallachia,
an area between the Transylvania mountains and the Danube in what is now Romania.
He spent most of his life fighting the Moslem Turks who were invading southern
Eastern Europe in those days. He also had a macabre taste for impaling enemies
and peasants on wooden stakes. Please don't flame, but I think the real guy is
scarier than Stoker's vampire. If I had to be at an adversary of one of the two, I'd
take the Count anyday.

Anthony
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.043936.4914@iti.gov.sg> lenny@iti.gov.sg (Lenny Lim Kiong Peng) writes:
>In article <ufaustus.721002910@mcl> ufaustus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Bergem) writes:
>> I wounder who it was that said Vampires have to be evil?
>
>Well, there's an issue of Batman where he got turned into a vampire by a
>"good" vampire. I can't remember the issue, but its one of those one book
>kinda thing (in hardcover) and I can find out if there's anybody interested.
Blood Rain.  Save your pennies, kiddies.  It wasn't that great.  Bats realizes
a plague of vampires has descended on Gotham, and realizes the only way to take
on Vlad is to become one. 


>
>I'm sure this is not the sole example, and there must be quite a few films
>and books on "good" vampires. Oh yes! How could I have forgotten! There's
>Vampire Princess Miyu, a Japanese cartoon (anime).

Nightstalkers, by Marvel Comics, has one such "good" vampire, and well as 
Vic Strange, Stephen Strange's brother in _Dr. Strange._  _Pale Blood_ has
two "good" vampires as the centerpiece.  

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:56:00 GMT

melchar@west.darkside.com  writes:
> > I didn't think vampires were considered a separate species, at least in
> > traditional European folklore (I'm not familiar with other cultures' stories,
> > I'm afraid. Anyone know of a good collection of _traditional_ vampire legends
> > 
> > 				The Fool
> > 				    ;-)
> 
>      If the product which is _now_ a vampire was _originally_ what is 
> referred to as a 'human being', then they are NOT a separate species.  At 
> the absolute most, they would be considered as a 'sub-species'.
>      The identifier for species is an inability to breed with those of 
> other species --

But, what if a chemical in the blood of a vampire (much of the info I am 
familiar with has the new vampire drink from the original vampire) that alters
the structure of the new hosts cells...Thus we have a new species which doesnt
really "breed" by our standards...?
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: kisa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kisa)
Subject: Re: vampires becoming rich
Summary: Gambling
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:10:53 GMT

Investments, burglary, etc..........?

Why don`t you play Russian rulet and make a fortune just by not dying 
when you are supposed to?
Or just a plain bet on that you will survive a bullet in your ear?
You are most likely to get a huge purse when making bets like that.

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: csh003@dunix.drake.edu (Carla Herling)
Subject: Vampire project..Please Help!!
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:10:12 GMT

I am new to this newsgroup and not really sure what is generally posted
here, but I am doing a paper for sociology on vampires and more
specifically, vampire fans.  As a vampire fan, myself, I am interestedin
finding out why and how other people became interested in vampires, and
why they continue to be interested.  I am looking for specific reasons
and descriptions of what vampires "mean to you"-or at least that is
what it would have been in grade school.  Anyways, whatever anyone
wants to tell me about their fascination with vampires would be great.
Please send replies through e-mail, as it will be easier to keep track
of the messages that way....my address is csh003@acad.drake.edu., but
if you leave it here...then it will be ok too...

Carla 

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Coppula's DRACULA
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:02:02 GMT

  I'm pretty excited about this film but I just saw the book for the movie.
The begining of the book (all I allowed myself to read) is not Bram Stockers.
In fact the book of the movie is nothing like Stockers at all when it comes
to the style of writing. Stocker wrote Dracula as a series of journels
while this book is a novel in the modern sense of the word. I can understand
the need for adaptation, however and hope the movie will fufill my 
expectations.
                 Cyrus
From: pickwick@sw.stratus.com (Michael Pickwick)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:34:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <w4==HV-@engin.umich.edu>, ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka) writes:
> 
> 	I have something that tends to support the theory that not all vampires
> are evil.  In honor of November 13 (and what it stands for) DC Comics has
> released a graphic novella entitled "Batman and Dracula".  It is... interesting
>  to say the least.  Glance at it see what you think of the ending.
> 
> Ken


Is this going to be anything like the GN released earlier this year (around Feb.
I think) titled _Red Rain_ ?  This GN was a sort of Batman alternate reality 
story about Dracula awakening and proceeding to take over Gotham City by (how 
else..) turning all the inhabitants into vampires.  Of course, Batman doesn't
take too kindly to this.  I don't want to ruin the ending (nice twist at the end)
but I can say that it deals with the good/evil portrayal of vampires.  Definitely 
a must buy for anyone interested in vampires and/or Batman (not to mention the 
artwork is great, although I can't remember off hand who did it :( ).

Mike

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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar Nights FTP site information
Summary: help info
Keywords: help on how to use the FTP site
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:49:54 GMT



This is your friendly neighborhood Vampyre archivist.
I am enclosing the info on the FTP site for you.

It is located at:

ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

to access it one types 

    ftp ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

If one is using the internet, some bitnet accounts allow one to access this.
otherwise there are bitnet servers for FTP, someone with more information,
please explain how these are used.

Once one has connected it asks you to log in- please use "anonymous" to
log in, not "guest" or your own userid, it will then ask for your address
as a password, this information is kept confidential- my boss just requests
it so he can keep  track of usage.

Then, you are in the root directory of the machine, at the moment there is 
naught else available at this site, though apparently that will shortly
change.

Meanwhile, the following is the routine to reach the section with the files:
cd pub
cd local
cd text
cd vampyres

Underneath this directory are a number of other directories:

Digests   Fluff   World   pics

there is also one file here: Readme

Under Digests can be found old digests of the list from Jae, who will
hopefully soon be uploadingn the full archives to here.

Under Fluff is the old Fluff Archives. One copy of the archives.txt is
available in the next directory.  Then all files are sorted into
alphabetical subdirectories.

Under World:

SKT    Storylines    Digests    volumes

There will soon be a Readme file added here, I haven't gotten around to that 
yet.

The SKT directory is currently just a bunch of SKT's, eventually I hope to sort
these into 3 directories: Mortals, places, Immortals 
these will be self explanatory- files here are stored as:
 
sktname.authorname

Storylines: all the stories with authors name, broken down into sections
are here.  This is to make it possible for one storyline to be followed at a
time. These are title.#.author

Digests: these are the logs that Morgan is sending me each few days
of the discussions on the list.

Volumes are the stories as they went out to the rest of the Vampyres list.
These will shortly be removed once I have the storylines section completed.
I will place in that section a file with a liting of what was in each issue
of Ravenscar Nights.

I hope this is helpful to you, please feel free to enjoy the archives at
your leisure.

Cat
-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: rich vampires
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:28:37 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

> I've recently begun to follow this newsgroup, and I must say, if I were a
> vampire, I would find all this amusing.
> 
> This is out of context but I noted that the topic of blood, besides being the
> drink of choice for vampires, has not really been discussed.  I have seen
> blood.  Its deep rich color and the undeniable sweetness of its taste.  As a
> child, I would watch its steady pace down my finger and at the point when it
> would drip into space, I would gently push it back along its path with my
> tongue.  Reaching the cut, I would place my lips around it and suck.
> 
> -T

      You forgot to mention that unmistable metallic tang that blood has. 
 It varies from person to person though.  Mine is more salty with a 
pronounced tang.  Others however are sweeter.  But there's always that 
tang.
From: ard@cs.bham.ac.uk (Antoni Diller)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire, Vampyre, and Wooden Bullets
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:53:35 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

In article <Ht-=GmB@engin.umich.edu> ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka) writes:
>
>	As everyone knows, VAMPIRE is the standard word used to refer to the
>immortal, blood-drinking, shape-shifting, etc. 'Evil' 'Creature of the Night.'
>What people may not know is that VAMPYRE also refers to a blood-drinker - but
>one that is not immortal, evil or anything else.  Essentially, a vampyre (at
>its most unglamorous translation) is a human that drinks blood.
>

I haven't looked it up in a historiacl dictionary, but I'd be very surprised
if that were true.  `Vampyre' is just an old-fashioned way of spelling
`vampire'; and another term used a lot is `nosferatu'; furthermore, `the
undead' is also used.

And by the way, vampires are not immortal; they can be killed by driving a
stake through their hearts, cutting off their heads and burning the corpse.
As my grandmaother from the old country you used to tell me.


Antoni Diller
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampire Music
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:44:23 GMT

Why do you want to know?  I am really interested (I find Metallica as vampire
music a bit iffy though), are you planning on gathering the rights to these 
songs...If you released a tape of them, I am sure that most of the people here
would probably check it out.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
From: ufaustus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Bergem)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Music
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:28:39 GMT


 Acually the BEST vampire music I have every heard is by a local group  in LA. ,(however local LA can be)The name of the group is "London After Midnight". I    have a demo tape of theirs and it's really good, the songs include "Sacrafice"(a chilling song about how the lead singer whould kill himself for his love)"Your Best Nightmare"(One of their best songs) That is 2/4 songs that are on the tape. If any of you are intrested in a copy just E-mail me. I'll give you my address and you can sent me a blank tap



e, and I'll send you a copy free of charge.  It's really good and I recomend it for any listener of Goth music.


			Dr Faustus
From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:46:15 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

lenny@iti.gov.sg (Lenny Lim Kiong Peng) writes:

> In article <ufaustus.721002910@mcl> ufaustus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Bergem) write
> > I wounder who it was that said Vampires have to be evil?
> 
> Well, there's an issue of Batman where he got turned into a vampire by a
> "good" vampire. I can't remember the issue, but its one of those one book
> kinda thing (in hardcover) and I can find out if there's anybody interested.
> 
> I'm sure this is not the sole example, and there must be quite a few films
> and books on "good" vampires. Oh yes! How could I have forgotten! There's
> Vampire Princess Miyu, a Japanese cartoon (anime).
> 
> 
> Kiong Peng

    .....& 'Vampire Hunter D'; also Japanese anime.
                         Melchar
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: SUPPORT A NEW WEREWOLF GROUP
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:09:22 GMT

Okay werewolf fans...
The adventure has begun.

I put a proposal for a werewolf group in alt.config today. So if you want
the group, post your support there.

If you non-werewolf fans want us to stop conversing in your newsgroup,
 you might want to show your support too.

Also, spread the word to other groups that you think might be interested.
I already posted a message on alt.horror.

This is what I posted there:
In the newsgroup, "alt.config" there is a proposal for a new alt.werewolves
newsgroup. If you read the proposal and think that this is a worthwhile
group, please show your support by posting a reply in the newsgroup. Even
if you don't read the proposal and you think that this is a worthwhile
group, then you can still show your support by posting a reply in the
newsgroup.:)
And spread the word!!

Thanks a kazillion
-Jordan
jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu

Feel free to copy and paste this or write your own.

Thanks.
-Jordan


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