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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: Deathstroke Dies in #16 ?
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:43:24 GMT

In article <9224802.10643@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU
(Darren Yiu Ming KO) wrote:
> 
> I just picked up Team Titans #2, and on the cover, it says that 
> Deathstroke is going to die in #16 !?
> 
> Any clues as to what's happening?
> 

I don't read Team/Titans/Deathstroke, but my wife does. According to what
she's read in Advance Comics, Deathstroke will indeed die, but he will get
resurrected/cloned/broughtbackfromthedead as his younger self. How this is
going to be accomplished I don't know, but with the time problems they've
been having I don't think it will be difficult.

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe)
Subject: Re: Patches and retcons /LSH
Organization: The Democrats' Best Hope in '96
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:59:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <geZqvi200VB940vUos@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>[Re: Garth/Proty retcon]
> 
> No one has been able up to this point to prove to me that it indeed is a
> patchy retcon.  People keep saying this, and I have yet to see any
> point-by-point analysis.

	Someone on Omnicom (Dani, I think) told us that someone on Klordny put
together a five page collection of xeroxed panels showing Imra casually reading
Garth's mind at home and in the field, and Garth thinking in very strong
emotional terms of his brother and sister.  All of these would have to be
invalidated for the Garth/Proty thing to work.  Therefore, it is a classic
"patch"/modern "retcon", and not a classic "retcon".
	Surely you agree that it's absurd to claim that a telepathic lover and
a twin sister are not going to know that *something else* is inhabiting their
loved one's form?
-- 
"Space, the final frontier.  These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise, 
its continuing mission to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new
civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before."                     
--Gene Roddenberry and the most famous split infinitive in the English language
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:16:41 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep3.161923.25327@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:

>Today I'm picking up an issue of SPAWN.  Yes, I know, I'm falling for it.
>But I'm curious to see what impelled Gaiman and Moore to write for SPAWN,
>other than explicit photograps with an inflatable Kitty Pride doll.

Maybe they need the money. After all, Gaiman is in the middle of a 
trans-continental move.

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Shooter LEFT?!? A Question...
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:55:00 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Aug28.172627.17513@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.103924.6315@iscsvax.uni.edu>, levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> 
>> In article <BtoMwE.CIq@ais.org>, saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks) writes:
>> > In article <1992Aug27.190040.3915@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>> >>In article <1992Aug27.124117.2045@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
 (THAT'S ME!!!) writes:
>> >>>HANG ON!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >>>  Shooter LEFT?!?  I knew I hadn't seen his name on anything, but
>> >>>WHAT HAPPENED?  Mna, have I ever been out of it!
>> >>
>> >>You sure have.  He left about five years ago.  Tom DeFalco is the
>> >>Editor-in-chief at Marvel now, and screwing up the place, in my
>> >>opinion.  Last I heard about Shooter was that he was going to work for
>> >>some company named Valiant.  They make Super Mario Brothers comic
>> >>books.
>> >  
>> > Yeah, and #1 is already 10 bucks!  Boy, you slap that Shooter name
>> > on something and BANG!  They were supposed to do some of those
>> > lame 60's Gold Key characters like Magnus Robot Fighter and Turok
>> > and Dr. Solar in the near future.  Like anybody cares.
>> 
>>         Not to be insulting here, but have the three of you been in a time
>> warp?  Shooter went to Valiant over a year ago and has subsequently been fired
>> from there.  Magnus and all other titles done under his supervision became very
>> popular with readers (not with me, I never bothered to checked them out), so I 
>> guess they weren't THAT lame.
>> 
  Man, I'm sorry I started all this.  I meant Shooter left Valiant. 
Sorry, no time warp here!  Don't bother telling me anything remotely
useful (like why), 'cause I already found it out on my own.

                                  Thanks for very little,
                                  Drizzt the Semi-Omniscient
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Cerebus
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:02:44 GMT

Well, I just finished through Church & State II, and have two observations to 
make:
     1: Nice of Sim to credit us human physicists with discovering something 
even Tarim didn't know (that Terim would be back)
     2: Issues 295-300 are gonna be *DAMN* depressing

     Dave Van Domelen, in case someone who hasn't read Cerebus is reading this 
for the .sig, Tarim and Terim are the male/female aspects of the main god in 
the book.
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: 2000AD  RULES
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:08:04 GMT

In article <hoahosth.25.714309785@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.005345.19840@cs.uow.edu.au> u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson) writes:
>>From: u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson)
>>Ok dudes, what's ya fave character and series in 2000AD?
>
>Anderson - Psi Division.

Yeah, the recent stories have been rather good - Shamballa had some absolutley 
gorgeous Arther Ransome art and an interesting plot, and Engram was pretty damn 
good too. Apart from that, most of her stories have been pretty standard Dredd-
type fare.

I must admit, I should have guessed that it *had* to Bisley who first showed
us Anderson nude... :-)

Mike
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:45:50 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distributio: world

In article <BtJLMw.78p@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, George Kesidis writes:
> Has anyone else picked this comic up? The first two issues
> were excellent with #2 reminding me a lot of Grant Morrison's
> better work on DP. The art is also nice which bodes well for
> "Lobo: Infaticide", also by Giffen. 
> gk

I picked them up.  I really liked #2 a lot better than #1, since #1
seemed dark (ie, Gusano seemed to blend in with darker colored
backgrounds) and harder-to-follow.  I thought the Generic Man 
concept was hilarious, though, especially when everything he touched
was replaced by just words (ie, "bush", "sheep").  The "facial
expressions" had me ROTFL also ("anguish", "bemusement").

Overall, I liked Giffen's recent work on the Ambush Bug Nothing Special
and one of the Superman Eclipso annuals (I forget which one right now)
better than the Heckler, so far...hopefully, things will go back in 
time a little to maybe explain a few things, such as who the Heckler
really is as a character, why Boss Glitter is in charge, etc.

And, most of all, I hope DC lets this comic live for a while...seems
like they've been quick to pull the plug lately.

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From: berninge@radium.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman to Die?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:51:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Bu2CHA.F3q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.160633.6754@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>>  Superman will die in issue #75.  The previous 5 issues will be counting
>>down to his death.  with 6 panels per page in the first book, 5 in the second
>>down to 1 panel/page in #75.  There was rumored, talk of cancellation of Superman
>>titles( I personally don't believe this).  The storylinr after this is that
>>Supergirl attempts to take over(hmm.... I thought she died.....) but doesn't
>>do to well of a job.  Lex Luthor is behind her and suggests forming a 
>>superhero team called the Lex-Men...
>
>I am not a regular Superman reader, but I was under the impression that
>Lex Luther Jr. was really Lex Luthor in a new body. I also thought he
>was supposed to be a villain. Why would he want a super-hero team to
>be formed?

Lex Luthor II is Lex Luthor I in a new body (as per a few months
back), and he is (kind of) a villain -- as with LLI, he uses his
stature to "win the hearts" of others, and does his dirty deeds
undercover.  For this reason, it is quite plausible that he would
want to form a super-team, sort of like the Defendroids in the 1988
Superman cartoon of the same name (anyone remember that?).  After
all, a super team that becomes popular can 1) be avoided by the
person in control and 2) do about anything once they're in a
high-esteem place (sort of like George Bush).  :-/

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Who gets the most credit? Penciller or Inker or Colorist ?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:21:03 GMT

In article <9224019.25401@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:
> 
> Thanx to those who've answered my questions so quickly.
> 
> Now that I know what's happening, who gets the most credit for the artwork
> of a comic? 

That is a complex question.  Because you have three people working on the art,
all three can influence the quality of the artwork.  Examples:

- The SANDMAN issue pencilled by Coleen Doran.  George Pratt (better known
  for his painted art) was the inker.  Both are very good, but they have
  very different art-styles.  The result: bad-looking art.

- The coloring used for the Viz version of RANMA 1/2.  It was so godawful
  that the company moved all their books to B&W shortly thereafter.

- You can have "strong" pencillers who give the artwork a distinctive look
  no matter who the inker is.  John Byrne, for example.  His artwork does
  have a distinctive look (even if everybody looks the same... B-) ).
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.comics.image?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:26:44 GMT

Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner (mcmahan@cs.unca.edu) wrote:
: Is there enough interest in rec.arts.comics.image to go through
: the motions of CFD,RFD, and so on?
: 
: I can't be the only one who likes them!
: 
: :)
: 
: Scott
: 
There is such a group.  It's called rec.arts.comics.xbooks.

Keith Handley  kehandley@amherst.edu
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH: AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:13:57 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

WARNING:
  Read no further unless you wish to face the evil of...
                 the Spoiler!




















Okay, now that's over.  I recently heard that the LSH crew are going
to... I can't believe this... blow up the earth!  That's right,
destroy it!  Say it ain't so!  The "Continuity Hiccup" in issue 4 I
could tolerate, since I haven't really been into LSH since before 
Crisis.  The Khund War (though stupid), I could put up with.  The
quick and relatively easy destruction of BION after all that buildup-
I could take it.  "Triple Strike"... gets a bit harder, but has some
interesting options.  But now....

       AAA      RRRRR     GGGGG      H   H  !!!
      A   A     R    R   G     G     H   H  !!!
      A   A     RRRRR    G           HHHHH  !!!
      AAAAA     R R      G  GGGG     HHHHH  !!!
      A   A     R  R     G     G     H   H 
      A   A     R   R     GGGGG      H   H  !!!

  Goodbye, Legion!  I'm outta here!
  Comments and questions are always welcome.

                                       -Kid Drizzt
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:32:33 GMT

dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek) writes:


>>Yeah, I hear you. The five issue #1 of Team Titans is the last straw for me.
>>I've quit reading all DC titles, because I think this is the lowest, cheesiest 
>	What hogwash. Marvel has totally pulled these stunts off to the
>maxinum, but you didn't drop them? Why drop all DC if the Team/Titans
>annoyed you?

They did five covers to the same comic. That means those of us who just like
the stories and art don't have to buy all five covers, 'cause we don't give
a flying **** about collecting comics for resale. With five different comics
to buy to get the whole story, DC has actually managed to go one up on the
Masters of Cheesy Advertising and Marketing Schemes aka Marvel Comics.

Axly

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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Dave McKean
X-To: LOUZON RONALD G
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:02:00 GMT

louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu writes:

LR>And also the soon to be released SIGNAL TO NOISE with Neil from Dark 
LR>Horse in October.

Dark Horse is releasing it?  Damn.  I should've waited.  I picked up the 
British pressing of this last week - published by VG Graphics, the same 
company that did Alan Moore and Oscar Zarate's A SMALL KILLING last year. 
It cost me $17 CDN, and I imagine the Dark Horse printing will be cheaper. 
However, it might also be of a lower quality (VG Graphics do a very nice 
job).  Anyway, for those of you waiting for the Dark Horse collection... 
it's a spectacular book that contains some of the nicest work I've ever 
seen from McKean.  Well worth the $17, actually.  

Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca


--- WinQwk 2.0 #0
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From: atwright@sophia.smith.edu (Aubrey Wright)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: Smith College
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:08:16 GMT

MM and Mike Moran may share the same mind, but don't I recall Mike Moran
saying that MM was smarter than him? This sounds like to me like they
really are different people. Perhaps MM has access to more of the brain
than Moran does - that extra 80 or 90 percent we don't use.

                              Aubrey 

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.015534.5204@cs.rochester.edu>, steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
> 
>   I'd go so far as to say that to the degree a work of art does not try
> to entertain, and tries only to get across a message, it is not good art.

Too much entertainment and too little message is fluff.  Too much message
and too litle entertainment is a treatise.  The genius consists in striking
a balance between both.

>   Of course, art which strives to do NOTHING more than entertain is rarely
> great either, although it does sometimes manage...

It's never great.  It's mind candy, and nothing more.  You can have mighty
chewy mind candy, but candy it still is.  And I don't know about you, but
I'd like to have the mental equivalent of a garden salad or Satay beef
every once in a while.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Whatever happened to the LNH?
Reply-To: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:25:22 GMT

	Someone who came back from the summer was asking about the Legion
of Net Heroes...as in "Whatever became of the LNH?" Well, I guess the most 
disturbing thing is that we were torn apart by internal conflict during
the reprehensible rac reorganization, and as a result our members found
themselves thrown across the network only to awaken in a variety of 
newsgroups.

	As for myself (Myk-El), I found myself wandering with no memory
in r.a.c.marketplace reading about comic stores in Pittsburgh. Who knows
where the rest of our once great Legion is? Perhaps in true comic fasion we 
should join up and go battle it out in rac before it is annihilated on 
September 30th...
-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward)
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:42:27 PDT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.192508.15700@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered 
>>>less than 5 copies at a time.
>>
>>This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
>>ship out 1 of any given title

>You're just full of misinformation today, aren't you?

>According to the contract agreements of both Diamond and Capital City, they
>can refuse any item order of less than three copies (Capital limits this
>restriction to books under $5.00 -- I can't remember Diamond's exact wording
>as we dropped them as our distributor due to uniformly poor service).

The additional bad news is that (at least locally) Capital has been
known to ship the minimum 3 copies to stores that only ordered 1 copy
of a book that retails for less than $5.  This has made my local store
reluctant even to attempt to order copies of certain independent
comics for pre-order customers.  They're certainly not making any
money if they get stuck with 2 copies they can't sell.  Too bad
Capital and Diamond can't see their way to relaxing these
restrictions.  Currently, if I can't find 2 friends interested in
something that's a little different I can't order it even though the
distributor has it available.	

Sidne G. Ward

igta225@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Answers to "You Call That Trivia?"
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:58:58 GMT

In article <d4kn--f.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>2. In what order did the following swamp monsters appear:  Heap, Man Thing,
>Sump Thing, Swamp Thing?
>
>The Heap appeared in the 1940s in Sky Wolf.  Swamp Thing made his first
>appearance in 1971, in House of Secrets, and Man Thing in Fear, very
>shortly after.  Sump Thing is a recent parody.  

The Heap appeared in AIR FIGHTERS, which later became AIRBOY; Sky Wolf's
strip appeared in that book.

Man-Thing's first appearance was in SAVAGE TALES #1, before his run
in ADVENTURES INTO FEAR; this story and the HOUSE OF SECRETS issue
in which Swamp Thing first appeared hit the stands within no more than
a couple of weeks of each other, but the FEAR run was later.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Coolest characters
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:28:12 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK


   For a guy who had everything under control, how about Alan Moore's "V".
He stitched up an entire governmental regime by the numbers.
   Unless you count "being in control" as being 100% sane :-)

     Dave Cullen
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Excalibur, LEGION, LotDMite
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:49:08 GMT

Okay, so there will be no coherency to this post.  Live with it.
     Excalibur - Finally the plotlines developed years ago come to fruition.  
However, I can't beleive *all* those characters will stay dead. (No I *won't* 
say who.  I'm evil tonight)
     LEGION - I'd guess that the being posessing Capt. Comet is none other than
Lord Volt, back from whereever characters introed and killed in Crisis go.  It 
fits in a lot of ways, including foreshadowing from the previous ish.
     Legends of the Dark Mite - A *must read* for Marshall Law fans or Bat-Mite
fans...I happen to be both.  Kevin O'Neill's art is fantabulous on this.  Page 
17 alone, with all the various mites (including Mxyzptlk-Mite, Bizarro-Mite, 
Bouncing-Mite, BatWoman-Mite, Swamp-Mite and Atom-Mite) is worth the price of 
the book.  Get it.
     Dave Van Domelen, direct all flames to wReam, he likes them.