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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.183513.3216@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> 
> Black_Swan@MTS.RPI.EDU:
> >
> > I did not know that prostituition and drugs have become rampant in
> > Singapore.
> 
> Behind the bamboo curtain of the old Chinatown of Singapore was an exotic
> and vice-ridden world.  Opium-smoking was perhaps the most hypnotic of these
> vices.  An eyewithness wrote, "...In some cribs the dim lamps were enveloped
> in dense haloes of opium, and the atmosphere was suffocating.  A naked girl
> of about 18 could be seen through the gloom, sipping tea in bed with a
> grinning Chinese as she indulged in the pleasures of the pipe."
> 
> Their cuisine were a class on its own: they were said to make pies from
> dogs, cats and rodents; drank the blood of snakes; and consumed the brains
> of monkeys - raw - while the monkeys were still alive.
> 
> So, how's the new Bugis Street?
> 
> 
> -Num, "Look mum, still no smileys."

The new Bugis Street is boring. However, the Tourist Promotion Board is 
trying hard to create an illusion of 'sin' & 'forbidden pleasures' which
apparently excite and attract tourists to the Orient, without actually
breaking any of Singapore's many puritan laws. As for  Chinatown, it has
lost much of the exotic diveristy of the 'old Chinatown' - McDonalds has
replaced the man with the snakes and frogs for consumption(after they have
been cooked, of course).

Edmund

P.S. - isn't it interesting that there is a widespread belief that most 
Chinese have no qualms in eating raw monkey's brains, etc when most of
them prefer their beef WELL DONE.
From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:48:20 GMT
Subject: Re: whaizit
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

Looks cute to me !
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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: Basic Elements of Sarcasm (RE: was Re: Give credits to Othman Ahmad)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:31:18 GMT

algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.192311.26679@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:

>[Chem lecture notes deleted]

>>	For more details, call 1-800-SARCASM, or come to Wisconsin next summer, and take
>>	Sarcasm 101.
>>
>>	Have a nice day. Enjoy the sunshine!
>>
>Darn! Should have gone to Wisconsin. They sure do
>teach science with a difference.

Don't they have any correspondence course for that? Boo. Looks like I'll
have to say goodbye to SFU next summer....


>(:-) envious mode)
>Weng Leong
>Stanford U.

>>
>>Happy! Happy!
>>Ting Beng Tak
>>beng@cae.wisc.edu
From: hanlin@is.rice.edu (HanLin Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 21 Aug 1992 14:14:55 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug20.185216.4887@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
........
>	Nobody buys any degrees in the US.  Degrees, even the ones from
>your so-called unknown community colleges, are EARNED.
>
>	Many people in the US do attend community colleges for 2 years
>before they transfer to 4 year universities. 
>
>--
>| Dan Lam                  __o     |
>| danl@comm.mot.com      _`\<,_    |
>|                       (*)/ (*)   |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  

Actually, I just got back from Penang, Malaysia and a visit to
MACEE revealed a comprehensive list of 'bogus' universities. I
recall about 10-15 detailed descriptions of 'universities' that
sold degrees. 

Community colleges, in general, are legit because they are usually
run by the state.

--
"I bit the bullet and he bit his nails" - George Bush on his
serving in the Navy and Clinton dodging the draft
From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:22:10 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


From the keyboard of Osbert Tan, who writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.095326.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>> 
>> In UK, it appears to me that Asian refers to the Indian/Pakistani community,
>> while Oriental refers to the Chinese community.
>> 
>
>What about Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Laoist ..., what you do
>refer them as ? Earthlings ?

  I think the usage varies with region, and with the subject matter.
  A sociological paper on the subject of Eastern and Western societies
  would more likely employ the words Occidental and Oriental as a
  convenient means to describe the two global hemispheres of East and
  West, and would therefore make no distinction between Pakistani or
  Chinese. However, in the United States, Oriental is very much a
  stereotype of people from China, Japan, Vietnam, or Korea, with all
  the attendant Oriental physical features. I will leave it to the
  readers to determine whether this stereotype is offensive to a degree.
  What most Orientals (in the stereotypical sense) find offensive are
  words such as "chinks" and "gooks", which are comparable to "nigger",
  to describe an Asian American, or just any Oriental.

  Oriental pertains to "the Orient", but I can't figure out why
  Occidental does not refer to "the Occident". You talk to an Oriental,
  but you never visit an Occidental friend. Travel agents talk about
  the Mysterious Orient, but what about the captivating Occident?

--
                                            --Syed Shibli
                                              sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu
                                              +1 918 631 3257
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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
X-Unparseable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17: 53:32 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:53:42 GMT


From the keyboard of c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au, who writes:

>In article <920811183404.21415c40@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>   I found this statement ironic. Give me an example where Moslems
>>   have imposed their laws on non-Moslems. Your statement assumes
>>   that somewhere along the line of World History, Moslems have, 
>
>Several years ago, Jana Wendt of Sixty Minutes Australia, went to, Iran (I
>think, but it was a Muslim country) and tried to leave the hotel dressed as she
>would be in Australia, but was stopped in the foyer and told to 'go back and
>dress properly', and had to wear the black robes that women over there wear.

  I think you might be confusing decency with Laws. I could just as well
  walk naked into a Church in the Vatican City and be told to go back and
  dress properly. Accepted norms in one society does not mean that they will
  be commonplace in another.  

-- 
Syed Shibli                          | +1 918 631 3257 (work)
505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104 | sya%admin@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu
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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: MYA: Mahatir proposes National Service for Malaysians
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:10:21 GMT

 
Di dalam artikel <65790@hydra.gatech.EDU>, E.A. Jaafar menulis:

>  I'm sure you've heard the saying,"mengundur bukan bermakna mengalah".

  Tapi kalau dah mengundur tu, selalunye dah kalah le. Heh. 8)

>  Maybe from your experience you've seen some wimps chickened-out.  I
>  know I certainly have.  I've seen people cried while 'drilling'.
>  But what my friends and I did was based on the differences in
>  principles as I've describe before.  What good is a man with no
>  principles.  Drifting in the wind like old leaves falling from a tree.  
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Cewah! Mat Jiwang-jiwang ke ni? Gua caya le sama lu!

--
Syed Shibli
% cat flames > /dev/null 
% echo Just Kidding
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From: ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong)
Subject: Re: account in singapore for cheapskates
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:04:30 GMT

In article <9208101725.AA03947@rutgers.edu> cheapskate@number.1.com writes:
>hi
>hi
>hi
>can join compuserve for us$7 /month.  account allows
>person to log in from singapore.  access to internet
>is charged per minuste.  this is still cheapreherer than
>any other menaans.
>cheapskates forever.......cheapskate number 1
>
>please email me if any comments

I know people who are desparately interested, but how do I
email you if you remain anonymous?!

Besides, isn't US$7/month just the basic service fee for CI$?
What about the communications charges from Singapore?

Unless I'm missing something here, I'm sure the S$200/month TechNet
fee is cheaper than using Compu$erve from Singapore.


--jc
ong@cs.columbia.edu
From: poli2031@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:22:45 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug14.210737.14270@eecs.nwu.edu>, yeap@alg4.eecs.nwu.edu (Kok-Hoo Yeap) writes:
> I was recently told that a Bechlor degree from a US university
> is considered "lower level" than a similar degree from UK,
> Malaysia/Singapore and other British colony country's university.
> The reason seems to be that they spend 2 more years for A level (STPM)
> while in US you go to a univerisity after O level (SPM).
> 
> An example I heard is in Malaysian teacher's pay scale.
> Bechlor degree teachers have three pay scale:
> 1. British degree with honors 2. British degree without honors
> 3. US degree.
> 
> Also US master degree is considered equivalent to British degree with
> honors, obviously at "lower level" than British master degree.
> 
> Can some insider shed some light on this subject matters.
> 
> What is the situation like in Singapore ?
> 
> 
> -- 
> /  Gary (Kok-Hoo) Yeap		|   Email: yeap@eecs.nwu.edu  \
> \  Department of EECS           |                             /
> /  Northwestern University      |                             \
> \  Evanston, IL 60208           |                             /
Reading your posting and others who have replied, I agree with the majority
that there is no differences in the degrees.  For some Malaysians the "status"
or "presitige" is the thing - that is to graduate from either the top unis in
US or UK - top Univs is because majority of "top people" in US or UK graduated
from those Us.
Even among UK grads there are some who think that the grads from UK polys are
not on par with them.  There are always people who would compare where you
graduated from.  Often students from Malaysia will check whether the Malaysian
govt recognises degrees from certain Us.  I believe you would that if you are
going to work in the public sector and the private sector do not bother about
that as long as your degree is not dubious (fly-by-night univs with one room
office) :)
Juay
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 11 Aug 1992 10:34:52 EST
From: <MALAYSIA@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysia Embassy in U.S.

Hi !

    I would like to have a list of address and telephone number of Malaysia
embassy in United State. Anyone out there who has a current list, I would
appreciate if you could send me that list thank you !


                                             Chon Yean Ooi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sci10019@nusunix2.nus.sg (YU HONG WEY)
Subject: Ooops
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:20:44 GMT

 You are excused.

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From: jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 06:10:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug20.005856.19784@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>>	Stay away from Northwest or "Northworst" as I have learned from my 
>>	horrid experience I had a year ago in going to Seoul.  The flight 
>>	was actually quite pleasant.  However, everything that was not 
>>
>>	The moral of this post is STAY AWAY FROM NORTHWORST!


I can hardily agree with this post.  My wife and I have been to Thailand 
six times in the last five years and have flown on Northwest, Korean, 
Singapore, and Thai Airways (Airlines?).  Korean, Singapore, and Thai 
were wonderful.  All had very attentive flight attendents, good food,
and comfortable seating.  My wife's experience on Northwest on the other
hand was a disaster (she had to fly to Thailand 2 days before I could make
it).  Evidently Northwest squeezes a LOT more seats into their jets with
a corresponding reduction in leg room.  My wife is only 5'3" and she told
me she could hardly move in her seat.  They ran short of food, drinks, 
blankets, and pillows.  The air conditioning wasn't working properly.
Most of the restrooms were either filthy or out of order.  In all, it
was so bad that we just tossed the return portion of the Northwest ticket
and returned on Korean.

In my opinion, if you want to travel to Asia on the cheap look at Korean
Airlines, and, of course, visit a discount ticket broker.  If you don't
have any idea where to find a broker, go to your local ethnic market and
ask someone.

--Joe Katz--
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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15: 34:09 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:34:15 GMT


From the keyboard of W.H. Watt. who writes:

>In article <1992Aug16.150606.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more) writes:
>
>> As a side light, Oriental is used to describe people/things from the east,
>> as Occidental is used to describe people/things from the west, just the same
>> as Asian or European really...all four are 'white man' words.
>
>In UK, it appears to me that Asian refers to the Indian/Pakistani community,
>while Oriental refers to the Chinese community.

  Then again, you have Oriental rugs, which invariably refer to
  hand-woven rugs of Persian origin. Oriental food is usually
  Chinese, Vietnamese, and Japanese food. Malaysian, Indonesian,
  and Thai food are usually just that. Occidental and Oriental are
  just convenient sociopolitical terms to refer to two distinctly 
  different civilizations.
  
-- 
Syed Shibli                          | +1 918 631 3257 (work)
505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104 | sya%admin@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Semi-Pro League Results Wanted
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:55:30 GMT


Recently I've not read any news about Semi-Pro League been posted
in the net.  It used to be posted by someone from NCB in Singapore
(sorry I  didn't take note of his name).  I kind of miss all the
fotbul action back home.  Please keep the news coming.  Only the
scores and table will be sufficient.  Thanks.

Kelvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: Re: Mahatir proposes National Service for Malaysians
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:50:06 GMT

In article <199208142115.AA07687@admin.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyborad of Hibatur Rahman Ahmad, who writes:
>
>>p/s ask yourself, what do you want TO DIE FOR?  Whether you like it or not,
>>all of us gonna die anyway...  Wanna die for my country???
>
>  I cannot help but say something about this.
>
>  Falstaff, in King Henry the Fourth (part II), offered a bleak view
>  regarding the matter of Honor in war. In his catechism, he expounds
>  on the virtues of self-preservation over honorable death in a war.
>  In effect, he was acting like a coward. Why wouldn't it be better
>  to run, thus spake he. Of what is Honor? It is something intangible,
>  that lives not with the person but only with the public perception
>  of him. Who is to say that self-preservation is not an honorable
>  thing to do? Honor is not a thing, neither can it be sold, nor bought;
>  prosperity almost demands self-preservation. Comments, anyone?
>
>--
>                                                --Syed Shibli
>                                                  +1 918 631 3257
>                                                  sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu
>
	Honor may not be something that cannot be exchanged
for cash and honor certainly does not buy Death away for one
more day. But Honor, like many other intangibles, is desirable
because its very intangibility enables people to transcend
the material barrier of death, at which all of us must
eventually stop. I agree with Rahman Ahmad. If you're gonna 
die anyway, might as well die happy in the knowledge that
you will live in the hearts and minds of people thereafter.
Bolingbroke rejected honor for self-preservation probably
because in the first place he had already lost much honor in
deposing a rightful king. So it might just be a case of sour
grapes.

Weng Leong
Stanford U.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more)
Subject: Looking for Faizul 'Joe' Rahim
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:55:49 GMT

Hi there.

I am looking for a guy by the name of Faizul 'Joe' Rahim, who lives in
Kuala Lumpur and studies Computer Science there.

I believe we have something of mutual interest that we should discuss, so
if he doesn't reply, could someone let him know I am looking for him??

Many thanks.

Fal  c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
From: lai@icbl.hw.ac.uk (Lai-Mui Ching)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:53:35 GMT
Organization: ICBL, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh

I think the issue here is polarisation.
When a group people become increasingly homogenous..not accepting or 
mixing (in terms of culture and sharing and appreciating each other's
differences), there will be danger....

YOu don't want another Serbian/Croates incident, do you ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mann Me)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:08:59 GMT




Keywords: 

In article <8t2nb3tq@csv.warwick.ac.uk> espdx@warwick.ac.uk (Spider Man) 































>>--
>>K C Tham
>
>Cibai Tham, Kaninohik, who ask you to send this posting,
>ask you to do the project you don't want,
> always say to us `seeliula,seeliula' Peter rovery will punish you.
>
>
>From spiderman : be ware of the spider.......
>
>--
>  ()                        _ _ _
>  /\            /          ' ) ) )
> /  )  _   o __/ _  __      / / / __.  ____
>/__/__/_)_<_(_/_</_/ (_    / ' (_(_/|_/ / <_
>     /
>    '
>
>             I l                  l l
>             I l        00        l l
>               Il--- (       )  --ll
>               I   (          )    l
>          --------(           )-----
>           ( ----- (        ))-------   )
>              ----- (      ))----    l
>              I    (  (   ))  )  l   l
>              I         V        l   l
>              I                  l   l






 
Spider man you are unimaginative!! Look at the spider your drew,
it is lifeless and brainless. No wonder you can't write straight!!
If you want to take it out with your friends do it in warwick!!!!!

Me Han Mann

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From: espdx@warwick.ac.uk (Spider Man)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:50:24 GMT

In article <r7znb35p@csv.warwick.ac.uk> espeg@warwick.ac.uk (Tham Kok Cheong) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.210910.27938@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug11.004452.19108@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> hquah@nyx.cs.du.edu (He-Man Quah) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug10.065811.15965@leela.cs.orst.edu> looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can the Muslims *learn* how to live with other human beings
>>>>without having to impose their ill-judged Islamic Laws on others?
>>>>
>>>>-looi
>>>
>>>
>>>Could anybody post what actually Hudud law stated.
>>>
>>>How about those evils who corrupt, swindle, fraud the public funds, 
>>>do their hand need to be amputated ?
>>>
>>>To be honest, how many of us haven't had experienced of giving "kopi duit" to
>>                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>	You bribed the police??? Aiyah!!!
>>	Yes! The hand should be amputated and the body dismembered!!^8) 
>>
>>
>>Happy! Happy!
>>Ting Beng Tak
>>beng@cae.wisc.edu
>
>
>	Are you sure?? If the corrupted officers' hand should be amputated,
> then I should guess that half of the population in Malaysia will become
> disable people!!!
>
>--
>K C Tham

Cibai Tham, Kaninohik, who ask you to send this posting,
ask you to do the project you don't want,
 always say to us `seeliula,seeliula' Peter rovery will punish you.


From spiderman : be ware of the spider.......

--
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  /\            /          ' ) ) )
 /  )  _   o __/ _  __      / / / __.  ____
/__/__/_)_<_(_/_</_/ (_    / ' (_(_/|_/ / <_
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    '

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               I   (          )    l
          --------(           )-----
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              ----- (      ))----    l
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              I         V        l   l
              I                  l   l
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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:54:12 GMT

In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>	Stay away from Northwest or "Northworst" as I have learned from my 
>	horrid experience I had a year ago in going to Seoul.  The flight 
>	was actually quite pleasant.  However, everything that was not 
>	in the air was miserable.  I wrote a two page complaint letter 
>	that was heavily edited to make it short and concise, but even the 
>	response to that was pitiful at best.
>
>	The moral of this post is STAY AWAY FROM NORTHWORST!

Gee...I am doing NYC-Tokyo, the Tokyp-Beijing, then Hong Kong-Tokyo
starting tomorrow.  First class with FF miles.  I'll let you know how
good or bad it was when I get back.

--Ken
From: ravi@castle.ed.ac.uk (R I Soosay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MYA: Mahatir proposes National Service for Malaysians
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:58:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


	Great idea! Perhaps he was inspired by Yugoslavia - every Tom,
Dick and Harry has a gun and knows how to use it.

						R.Soosay