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I go skiing with a group of people each year (numbers ranging from 15 to 50)
and the prime requisites are low cost and LOTS of skiing.

Austria is *wonderful* and the people are very friendly.  I've only skiied in
France once - at Flaine, so I'm not sure what is typical but I expect that you
want lots of interconnected runs.  You can get that in Austria but I think that
it is much lower that most of the French resorts and therefore more picturesque
with more trees - and a greater possibility of duff snow.

The Saalbach area gives LOTS of skiing.  Saalbach itself is expensive but
another resort on the area is cheaper (I think it begins with H).  Leogang is
also on the area and it is cheap and it's own runs are quite nice.  We had a
very good holiday there a few years ago.

The Grossraum area is big and there are many resorts on it.  It is well
favoured by Brits (you may think that this is good or bad.  We have stayed at
Soll (probably the major resort) where most of the visitors are British and it
and the local runs acan get a bit crowded.  Last year we went to Scheffau and
had a great time, great runs, easy access to the rest of the grossraum and a
very good and low cost hotel right by the lifts. A while ago we tried
Brixen-im-Thale on the other side of the mountains.  Access wasn't bad and the
resort was VERY quiet.

Also last year we went to Sauze D'oulx in Italy.  I had heard that it was like
blackpool (a bit noisy and crowded).  We went in January and it was fine, again
there was lots of interconnected skiing, nice people and a good low cost hotel.
I'd go back there if I could drag myself away from Austria (if I wasn't going
with the gang I'd find it difficult to go anywhere else).

In 9 days (whoooppeeee!) we're off to Wengen in Switzerland.  The area of runs
looks good and this year's organiser found a good hotel deal (That involved a
draw to see who got a bathroom :-)  we won :-))))))).

Gook luck with the snow.

Brenda

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.photo
From: sac@uvo.dec.com (Stephen Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Help photographing in snow
Keywords: photography, lighting, skiing
Reply-To: sac@uvo.dec.com (Stephen Carpenter)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:23:29 GMT


  I usually set the camera to over expose by two stops and I give/take a
little bit depending on the light.

  The film I'm currently using is Kodak Extar 100 (125 ASA print film).

Stephen. 

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Help, he's gay !(was: Re: Colorado Ski Repo
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:24:56 GMT

SM> I'm happy to say that I AM skiing in Colorado in March, BECAUSE the 
SM> amendment was passed.  I won't have to worry about gay men staring at
SM> me while I am using the restroom (hopefully all gay men will boycott
SM> Colorado).

I don't think anyone looks at you. Gay or straight!
You probably scare everybody away with your behavior and attitude.
If you have a fear of something and have doubt in someting, in this
case yourself, you should confront it and not run away from it. If
you don't have any doubts in yourself, then there shouldn't be any
problems :).

---



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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: THANK YOU!!!
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:35:55 GMT

Thank you to all those wonderful people out there who have once again managed
to kill any sympathy I have for their cause WRT Amendment #2. For a while
I believed in you and supported you but you, like so many of the other 
political activists on this net have managed to kill off any sympathy I
might have once had for your plight. I don't have endless hours to try to
adapt my killfile to remove articles about something which I(and the rest
of this group) have been effectively bludgeoned with,especially when you
pratice that time-honored BIFF tradition of changing the subject lines or
starting new threads to force me to read about it. I can't even support
you without you flaming me for not supporting you in the way *YOU* want.
You just don't seem to be able to take a hint.

ENOUGH!!! GO AWAY! WE GET THE POINT!!! IN TRIPLICATE!!! THOSE WHO ARE
GOING TO LISTEN WILL, THOSE WHO WON'T WON'T!!

Your average net.user is pretty up on political and social events as it
is and is almost invariably of a liberal bent. Its entirely possible and
extremely likely that you're preaching to the choir.           

It almost makes me want to be a fundamentalist. Then I could at least
hate you with a clear conscience instead of one that been simply
exhausted....

---Steve(just about ready to *move* to Co. about now)
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Skis to Boards
Reply-To: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:25:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.182618.6044@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec31.163043.11234@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com
>(Kelly  
>>Shuldberg) writes:
>>  The one thing I noticed, though, is that boarders, or rather, people
>>> on boards, will never be ski patrollers, because they can't skate, cli
>>> or generally get around like a person on skis can, and my experience i
>>> that getting around is most of patrolling (if I'd known they were goin
>>> make me go uphill, I never wouldda joined! ;-).
>>> 
>>I saw a patroller on a board at Whistler about a month ago.  I've never
>>seen one since!  Maybe it was just PR.  
>>  
>>Bruce


I am in the National Ski Patrol at a small ski area in Central New York and our  
neighbooring ski center Greek Peak Ski Resort has a National Patroller
certified to drive sleds while riding a snowboard.  My area doesn't allow
snowboards but we have two patrollers that can drive sled with telemark skis,
too.  The physics of driving a sled with a snowboard is easy.  All you do is
slide.....

				Rob  (The Roving Patroller)
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Canting and wedging..
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:40:57 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 12 Jan 93 04:24:35 GMT, fewings@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Fewings David) said:

>> (Ronald S. Brown) writes:

>Does anyone have any information about canting or wedging bindings or boots
>to correct for bow-leggedness?  I have a cant adjustment on my Lange boots
>but I need a few more degrees to get my skis perfectly flat.  I have heard
>about custom insoles and binding wedges but, which works the best?  Shops I
>have talked to only do the custom insoles.  Anyone out there with a similar 
>problem?  Will the insoles do the trick?

>> No! Insole adjustments will not do it.  For boot adjustment you need an adjustment that changes the angle between the bottom of the SOLE of the boot where it enters the bindings and the UPPER BOOT where it hugs the CALF of your leg.  Failing that, canting wedges that go under the ski bindings are better than nothing.  I bought Raichle Flex boots this year and put in the maximum adjustment.  WHAT A DIFFERENCE!  I'm able to ski with a much narrower stance and I now catch an outside edge MUCH less often

It is *not* true that the insole won't work (necessarily).  They may not, but
it really depends on what the problem is.  I'm glad that you've found that boot
shaft canting helped you, but keep in mind that the pivot point of a boot shaft
cant is in different places depending on the boot (for instance, San Marco has
the Symflex shaft, a patented canting system that actually pivots the *entire*
shaft instead of just bending it in the middle).

The bottom line is that there is no substitute for a qualified boot fitter.
And *qualified* boot fitters are rare, indeed!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Change agent, Unix weenie, powder hunter                           ISSC Boulder
From: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Where is XC in the MidAtlantic
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:47:27 GMT
Reply-To: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.skiing, mvore@access.digex.com (Michael Vore) writes:
>Is there any good XC Skiing in the Mid-Atlantic - Pa. or atleast driving
>distance from DC (even for a 2 day overnight)?

Right now nowhere. A series of rainstorms (today,last tues,tues 2 weeks
ago,etc,etc :-( :-(  ) from Pa thru NY,Vt,Me has burned off virtually
all the natural snow in the east. The downhill areas are mostly open
with many trails thanks to snowmaking and enough cold weather to make
snow 2 or 3 days a week.

My wife's assistant at her school tried to go XC Skiing in Massachusetts
and New Hampshire last week and was dissapointed to find no snow.

We were doing downhill in Vermont and saw no natural snow in NY or Vt
except for some around Wilmington(Mt Snow area) Vt.

On 12/26 &12/27 Mt Snow claimed PACKED POWDER and "the most trails in
the east open" 96 trails?  we found the primary surface to be hard granular
ice and the secondary (at most 1/3) to be 1 inch of packed snow on a
very hard base (is this the "bullet proof" eastern powder you hear they pack
with steamrollers).
The weather was very cold (hence no crowds) but half of the black runs
were closed. On 12/28 Okemo claimed PACKED POWDER. We found lots of
packed powder and almost no ice. Most runs were opened and every one
was groomed. I was impressed with their large number of quads including
one detachable quad. You should get something since they screw you with
a $42 lift ticket. Glad we left Mt Snow cause we read that due to a
freak power failure (fault of power company) Mt Snow could not run more
than 1 or 2 lifts on 12/28.

Starting 12/29 we quit- It warmed up 40 degrees(unexpectedly) and rained
4 days straight.      Should have gone to Ootah.


John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  -
Carderock Div,NSWC                _ The Md state ski bum-
Code 1523
Bethesda,MD 20084-5000
301 227-1870                webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: liza@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza Hope Rothschild)
Subject: Re: Planning a trip to Tahoe
Keywords: Heavenly
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:40:23 GMT

I group of friends and I are planning to go skiing this weekend at Heavenly.
Right now it is raining at Stanford and I was wondering if anyone knew if 
Tahoe was getting precip. from the same system.  What are the present 
conditions?  Do you know the names of any cheap decent places to eat?  Any
suggestions on trails that we should not miss (most of us are upper 
intermediate/advanced)?  Any other pertinent info would be appreciated.  
Thanks.

Liza H. Rothschild
liza@leland.stanford.edu
 


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Please explain European Trail Colors
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:13:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.153741.9331@irfu.se>, mw@irfu.se (Mattias Waldenvik) writes:
|> 	Standard? France??

:-)

I think the point was made that many resorts like to offer a mix of runs,
so although they may be standardised across the resort there is not Alpine
wide standard.  For instance the blacks at Serre Chevalier are generally
quite easy and are certainly no harder than the Reds at Argentiere (Cham.).

Throw in some bad snow: crud, crust or ice and the classification can go right
out the window.

As a further guide the black pistes around here all seem to present some sort
of techical difficulty which could lead to serious injury or death.  Up on
the Sept Laux there is a narrow path which leads to one of the blacks.  This
cannot be snowploughed !!! and needs a nice turn to avoid a cliff (no safety
netting here in France).  The dangers are clearly marked at the lift but still
people ski it who can't, and make the 300m. cliff jump (fatal).

On Christmas day at l'Alpe d'Huez I saw a sign saying "La Balme (Piste Rouge)
Verglas, Tres Bon Skieurs".  Hmmm icy piste, better avoid this with my edges.
Later on that morning I blundered onto that piste by mistake and figured that
the sign must have said "Tres Incompetent Skieurs".

That's a problem with classifications and warnings (Hey, Fking A man, if I ski
this I must be Tres Bon), it often serves as a red rag to a bull.


David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cvb@unislc.uucp (Clair Barrus)
Subject: Ski Utah ftp information
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:02:00 GMT
Keywords: ftp utah

Didn't someone last year provide some information via ftp about 
prices, suggestions, hints, discount for Utah ski areas?

Is this still operational and up to date?  Could someone point me to
the relevant information?

Thanks.

--
  ". . . he looks exactly like a woodchuck, & talks like a woodchuck 
  on a stump with a chaw of tobacco, in his mouth." - Joseph Smith 

Clair Barrus
cvb@unislc.slc.unisys.com or unislc!cvb@Sun.COM
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From: hilton@leechs.lzo.dec.com (Greg Hilton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: What's a shredder?
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: hilton@bahtat.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Company


I believe the term originates from 
surfing and windsurfing where a shred, is all
over the wave, and hence is seen to 'shred' it
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Car Rental in Utah
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:41:29 GMT

I got some requests about the el-cheapo reservation code for Avis.
I couldn't return some of your mail, please check your configuration for rn.

The Avis code is HS for a listed $98/week rate, but I got $88 out of SLC.

Notice that some companies offer other ski-related deals: Budget gives you
a free lift ticket for one day (resorts unknown), Alamo has some deal
(around $250 or so) for a 4 WD with ski rack (which I thought always comes
for free in SLC).

Good luck,

Frank
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Taos/Jackson in mid March
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 17:33:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <C0D6G3.AoI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiltz@after (David Wiltz) writes:
>Hello all.
>As the name might suggest, I'm looking for opinions on
>past conditions at Taos and/or Jackson Hole.

Taos got a bunch of very wet snow last week (rain up to about 9000'),
which brought the base up to 70".  Skiing was pretty good.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...(and decreased gravity)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.012043.21305@cs.wisc.edu> andrewt@scrooge.cs.wisc.edu (Andrew Thomas-cramer) writes:
>
>     I've learned 4-ball in the past semester (what else would I do in my
>     first semester of grad school?). I've noticed that time seems 
>     slower now. Either the gravitational constant has changed, the Earth's
>     mass has decreased, or my brain is working quicker.

just wait until you learn 5 balls!!!  I've actualy heard that
"attempting" seven improves your 5 ball pattern.  After learning 5,
juggling three feels funny!  I should try learning some goofy 3 ball
tricks now.

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From: ebroom@coal.axion.bt.co.uk (Ed Broom)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: New-ish juggling shop in Glasgow
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: ebroom@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK

Shortly before Christmas, I was working in Glasgow and decided to pay a visit
one lunchtime to a shop I'd seen advertised in "The Catch" magazine. I was
very impressed with both the stock and the service, hence this message. Full
details are as follows:

   The Big Top
   45 King Street (off Argyle Street, behind The Tron)
   Glasgow
   G1 5RA
   Phone: 041 552 7763

According to their promotional leaflet, they stock the following:

   automata, unicycles, old-fashioned toys,
   puppets, kaleidoscopes, juggling equipment,
   flying objects, clothing, circus paraphernalia

They've only been open for some two months, so pop in & give them your support!

Ed Broom

..but smart old Blue he took the Milky Way.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:25:54 GMT

In article <1isq9eINNrdb@shelley.u.washington.edu> benjamin@riemann.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg) writes:

>but always carefully restarted with a good pattern, and finished in between 2
>and 3 minutes.  If you're curious about joggling, give it a try.  You don't 
>need a particularly great 3 ball pattern, and it's great exercise for the 
>whole body.-Ben

I've tried joggling before, but I can't get the pattern to mach my
jogging. |(  I saw it on tv a long long time ago so i don't quite
remember what height they kept their pattern at and how long they let
balls hang before throwing.

any ideas???  i desparately need to get in shape and I would love to
be able to combine juggling with exercise.  Also, does anyone have
ideas on making homebrew excerballs?  I've thought of filling tennis
balls with lead shot.  Where can I find cheap lead shot?

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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 'Named' patterns
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:33:15 GMT

In <1993Jan7.123738.6303@planet.bt.co.uk> naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson) writes:


>Ahh, someone who knows Rubenstein's Revenge. Could you describe it for
>me? I can do Burkes Barrage very fluently, and I can do figure of
>eights round both balls with both hands (I think this is called the
>Weave). Is there a difference between this and Rubensteins Revenge?

I too learned Rubensteins from BTC (though I'm not fluent yet)
RUBENSTEINS is really the combination of the Weave and of Burke's Barrage.
I'm afraid that I'm not about to try to describe it, but my advice is
buy "Beyond the Cascade", which is a wonderful little book, and which
is where I learned it from.

>About the `what's next after Rubensteins Revenge'. Well if you think
>about this progression in terms of site swaps you'll find Mills' Mess
>is just 3, Burke's Barrage is 342 (each hand makes two catches before
>carrying the ball), Rubensteins revenge is 34242 (I think. Each hand
>counts 3, this gives you the extra time to do the extra fiddly bits.)

er no - Rubensteins is just 3 - sorry to spoil your progression.

>Hmm, I've just picked up three balls and I've reallised that the
>`Weave' is actually 342424242 in site swap, ie the 4 count pattern
>which is next in the progression, so it looks like Wilson's Wiggle
>is going to have to be 34242424242. This also implies that 
>Weave != Rubenstein's Revenge.

I think maybe we do different weaves...

>Some other stuff.
>Whats the Gillson variation on M/M for those who havn't read Beyond
>the Cascade.

I haven't tried that one yet - its on my "to do" list. Its easier if you buy
the book though - its not expensive, and I don't think you'd regret it.

Try a clawed Mills Mess - thats a fun one, and it can be pretty impressive
when done well.

>And, do you know the Georgian Shuffle?

No - what is it?

Cheers,

Andy
-- 
Andy Lewis (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk) | 
Department of Electronics        | A juggler without a theme...
and Computer Science             | 
University of Southampton        | 
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT)
Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:55:04 EST

Disclaimer:  I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV.  I have no basis for 
the following claims other than personal experience.  No guarantee is made as 
to the validity of the following remarks.


A question was raised about the effects of juggling on CTS.  I have had the
problem with excessive juggling causing a wrist pain which was either CTS or
tendonitis (I was never diagnosed by a doctor).  This usually occured after
30-45 minutes of club juggling and passing, or while working on the five ball
cascade.
     I solved the problem by stretching my wrists (extending my arm and pulling
the fingers backward to stretch the tendons) and doing some exercises that my
martial arts instructor told me would help.  The exercises were as follows:
     rapidly open and close your hand (making a fist) 20 times
     slowly open and close your fist (10 count for each movement) 2 times
     make a fist then quickly extend and spread your fingers and thumb as
widely as possible (this spreads the bones in your wrist apart relieving
pressure) repeat 20 times.

     This worked for me.  However, the person with the original question
mentioned he had a malformed hand.  You might consult with a doctor about these
exercises.  I did the whole routine about six times a day.  It only takes a few
seconds.  Any questions write me...
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                           o
Sean Pritchard            o o    "Suppose you do learn how to do four.
P.O. Box 3613            o   o    Then what?  Five?  Six?  It's a path
West Point, NY 10997     \_O_/    to madness, and I would be remiss not
x47377b2@usma6.usma.edu    |      to tell you that."
                          / \         -Juggling for the Complete Klutz
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Stanford Juggling Fest this year?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:32:04 GMT

  Will there be a juggling festival at Stanford this year? Where and
when?