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From: etxjpll@eua.ericsson.se (Peter Lund)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Reply-To: etxjpll@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:40:05 GMT

In article 472@lth.se, kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:
>elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>>CNN Headline News(*) here in the U.S. had a story this morining
>>concerning linking the CIA to the Palme murder.

>There was a news-magazine show on TV2 last night.  I saw only a
>little.  They tried to show some links to the CIA, but to me they
>didn't seem very strong...  They also seemed to implicate the Swedish
>police as well...

The journalists in that TV-show seem to be politically somewhere to the left, and trying 
to link CIA to the murder must be intriguing for them. I would personally never for a 
moment belive, if not proven, that CIA was involved in the killing.

The information that the Swedish police somehow is involved, I regard much more likely. 
The Swedish police has many political extrem employes in service. Everything from rasists 
and fascists to pure nazis exist in the police force. 

I belive Palme was most disliked inside Sweden not outside, and therefore I think it is 
much more likely, that some extrem group in our police force killed Palme than that CIA 
did it.

Even if I didn't like Palme's ideas, I was personally very attracted to his political 
style and briliance. He had a very sharp intellect and I found it impossible not to respect 
him and his ideas. Swedish politics became dead boring after the killing of Palme.

Peter Lund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:27:31 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov10201951@bast.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
|>  (Staffan Liljegren [CONTRACTOR]) writes:
|> 
|>   >Aldrig i livet ! Inte nr man kan njuta av kta, sensuell, tango
|>   >i frn Rio de la Plata ! 
|> 
|>   Bah! Pah! Vad har den argentiska tangon att komma med i j{mf|relse
|> med den fr}n de susande skogarna?
|> 
--


Arja Saijonmaa (?) sine framfoeringer av Mellom- og Syd-Amerikansk
musikk - deriblant tango - mmmmmmm.


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From: ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: How to avoid the Real Issue (was Re: Assimilationspolitik ...)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 09:10:13 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi

I really love this guy !

In article <TORKEL.92Nov4171118@bast.sics.se> 
torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <1d8mnlINN5hg@cs.tut.fi> 
>ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
> writes:
>
>   >And you started the discussion from void ?
>
>  I didn't start any discussion. I put a question, 'What on earth is a 
>"Tornedal Finn"?' I find it mildly amusing that there are people in Stockholm
>spouting off about the sad plight of "the Finns in Tornedalen".

If you didn't start any discussion, why did you deviate from the
topic and insist not to go back to the original issue ?

Well, maybe it's too much demanded if you expect direct answers to the
direct questions ...

	k@	(kcat)
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kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.fi      jos h{nt{ kest{{.        - san. lasku Jaalasta
From: dgolber@midnight.aero.org (Dave Golber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Request for Translation Help
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:10:41 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: midnight.aero.org
Originator: dgolber@midnight


I have been translating the texts of two recordings:

   Draumkvedet (Agnes Buen Garnaas, vocals, and others)

and 

   Rosensfole (Agnes Buen Garnaas and Jan Gabarek)

These total about 300 lines of old, difficult, dialect, etc,
Norwegian.  I am about 95% done, but there are a few lines
that I cannot translate at all, and some others that I am not
sure of.  I would like to find someone who would complete and 
check this work.  

I can supply the originals in written form (from the CD notes), so you
don't have to get the words from the vocals.  I would guess the work should
take about three hours, if you are into this stuff, and I would
suggest paying about $50.

Any takers?

Dave Golber
Phone 310/391-1269 (evenings)

3485 Greenwood Avenue, 
Los Angeles CA 90066
USA
From: ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Our national sport ;-) (was Re: Assimilationspolitik ...)
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:57:36 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi

In article <1992Nov4.161433.11599@kth.se> 
tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>And as long as Finns have Sweden-bashing as their national sport (due to 
>an inferiority complex, of course), there will never be any doubt as to 
>which of our two countries is the greater one! :-)

Yes ! We like to kick now and then the Giant of the Giants, our Sweet
neighbour Sweden, and see how it reacts.

It is like pushing a straw into ant hill and look how the ants
attack to it and throw their acid. How amusing !

;-)

	k@	(kcat)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Hot news item from Denmark
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:59:53 GMT

I'm reposting this without permission of the original sender.  a side
note to this story:  back in the mid-1970's, the town of Bramming had a
promotional campaign around the motto, "Det lykkes i Bramming!"  Maybe
these guys thought the Americans would take it the wrong way . . .

Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:20:21 +0100
From: Leif Erik Andersen <lea@dde.dk>
To: dansk@sysadmin.com
Subject: Danske Nyheder Tirsdag den 10. November 1992

Originally from: lea@dde.dk (Leif Erik Andersen)

Politi med hunde maatte skille amerikansk mandestrippere og jaloux
vestjyske unge maend i et kaempeslagsmaal soendag morgen i den
vestjyske by Bramming. Gruppen Hunk-A-Mania havde optraadt for 120
begejstrede piger paa et lokalt diskotek, men da maendene efter showet
fik adgang opstod der tumulter, fordi en gruppe lokale maend mente, at
stripperne foerte sig frem over for pigerne! [Politiken angiver Jyske
Vestkysten som kilde...]

mvh

Leif E. Andersen               lea@dde.dk              Phone: +45 31 80 03 07
OZ 1 BBM                       BIX: leander     "push ka pi shi pie - eh eh ;;
Husumvej 118                   CIS: 76545,2704       oobli - aayee eyeyay abla
DK-2700 Broenshoej, Denmark               det' den ny calypso be bop"- linie 3
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University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
         One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:37:53 GMT

In article <ksand-061192221143@wintermute.apple.com>, ksand@apple (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
>> There were some newspaper reports some years ago about kids being
>> forbidden to speak me{n kieli in Tornedahlen i daghemmet.  I have no
>> detailed info and it might've been false reporting.
>
>I read in Weekly World News that Perot had met an alien, but it might
>have been false reporting as well...

I would have expected them to say Perot is an alien.  But then of
course are all the U.S. president candidates, as they are not Finnish.

The report has been discussed previously in soc.culture.nordic, and
confirmed by other people.  And yes, the events happened before
soc.culture.nordic existed.  I don't remember the details and have not
read the article, so I'm qualifying my writing accordingly.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Arthur Sparrendahl)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:02:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.063454.4667@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
|> The term home-language, hemspr}k is very disdusting term, cannot you under-
|> stand it. I can accept it if also swedish-speakers language in Sweden and
|> Finland is called by the administration adn school-bureucracy a home-language.
|> Otherwise using ther term  home-language of Finnish is nothing but a
|> derogatory purpose.

	Oh dear!
	The term 'hemspr}k' is allso used for Swedish.
	The rules read something like:

		Pupils with a home laguage other than Swedish
		are entitled to extra education in their 
		home laguage.

	The term home laguage is used because it is not allways 
	the same as their native laguage. The word is flexible
	and this extra education is not mandatory.
	However a friend told me that his parents were never 
	told the extra education wasn't mandatory.

/Arthur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: A question to anyone on Faroe Islands
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:33:44 GMT

In article <kjell-101192115622@g0-mac3.ekti.chalmers.se> kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:
>
>Hey There!!!!!!

Hei!

>
>A coupple of years ago I read about some funny laws on Faroe regarding the
>buying of booze. Beers, wines, vodka and so on. I heard that you get all
>your booze from Denmark and that you have to show a receipt showing that
>you had been paying your tax regelarly.

This is correct (well, not sure about showing that you pay tax)

>Is this system still in use or can you go to your local dealer nowadays?
>Is there any native beer or just imported ones?
>

No native beer, no.  But last week F{r|yene got their very first 'pol!
(Alchohol store - state owned & controlled)
In Torshavn of course.  Official policy is to keep the prices reasonably
low to prevent 'hjembrenning' (what is this in English?) where you make 
your own liquor.  Of course, what noone said (but everybody knows ;-)
is that there isn't really any hjembrenning to speak of...

>Thanks in advance for any reply.
>
>
>Kjell the Brave

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@alf.uib.no
Universitetet i Bergen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kny@cs.hut.fi (Kim Nyberg)
Subject: Tv}ngsfinska f|r finlandssvenskar (was: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.061941.7946@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Kouluasetus pit{{ lainvaistaisena sellaisia kieliyhdistelmi{, kuten esim.
>ven{j{-englanti, saksa-englanti,saksa-ranska,ven{j{-saksa. Et saa valita
>niit{, koska se on laitonta Suomessa. Pit{{ ottaa pakkoruotsi toiseksi kieleksi
>kiitos RKP:n? jatkuvan hallituksessa olon sodan j{lkeisiss{ hallituksissa.

As a swedish speaking finn one has to read finnish, you can't choose
a combination of english and german, germany and french, and so on, no,
you MUST read finnish even if you don't need it in your entire life.
Isn't that OUTRAGEOUS?

Hehe, I couldn't resist, these 'pakkoruotsi'-flamers never mention
'pakkosuomi' ... and yes, isn't it amazing that a party with 6% of the
voters has been able to force the vast majority of finns to have to
read swedish in school? I find it highly amuzing ...

Oh, btw, I'm against 'pakkosuomi' and 'pakkoruotsi', it just waters the mills
of lame and retarded bigots.

>Mit{ tulisi tehd{. Olla edelleen r{hm{ll{{n? 

Kokeile k|ytt{.

>Terveisin,
>Jarmo Ryyti

Oh, for you non-finnish guys'n gals (who haven't put *.fi or *.jyu.fi
in your kill-files yet):

Pakkosuomi == Obligatory finnish for swedish speaking finns
Pakkoruotsi == Obligatory swedish for finnish speaking finns
Kokeile k|ytt{ == Try a rope

Kim
From: asterios@emke.chalmers.se (Asterios Kastoris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes of the US
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:16:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <Bx6nLL.DE3@news.chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil
Jonell) wrote:
> 
> The Swedes of America are a large ethnic minority in the US. 
> Swedish-decendants are estimated of being more than 5 000 000 in the US all 
> together.
> 
> The history of the Finns is full of linguistic and cultural opression by the
> Government/Medial complex of the US. What could be the future of a large 
> ethnic minority in the US?
> Whether:
> 
> - Swedish will be one of the  official languages of the US one day?
> - there will be all-Swedish educational system in the US?
> - there will be a Swedish university in the US?
> - there will be Swedish speaking army units in the US where the 
>   Swedes can serve in Swedish?
> - there will be all-Swedish radio and TV channel in the US?
> - there will be Swedish speaking units in the US Administration?
> - US software will ever be 8 bit clean and able to handle the essential
>   letters of Swedish.
> 
> What is your opinion about the future? Can it be as dark as the past?
> 
> Which could be suitable strategies in order to achieve these goals
> in the US?
> 


 To achieve this goals in the US, I suggest we put together a strikeforce
with some tall and strong Swedish lads under Leffe Boorks command.After a
months training in the woods eating worms and so, they would be ready to
blitz the White House and take over the country.


Asterios
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakko
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:11:20 GMT

Jan Arne Fagertun writes:
>Ville V. Walveranta writes:

>|>         Most of what? I think it's all right to have the message threads
>|>         in Swedish in soc.culture.nordic, but so should it be all right
>|>         to have the threads in Finnish as well.

> And since very few people outside
>Finland understand finnish, then maybe there is no point (at least only
>a weak point) in posting it outside Finland ?

There shouldn't be *that* few reading this group! I'm sure there are
Finns abroad just as there are Danes, Swedes and Norwegians.
Specifically, there are the much talked about Finnish-speaking million
in Sweden! Have you already forgotten about them?

Go ahead and post to the world in nordic languages!

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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Soon it's Christmas (Was: Finns and Swedes......)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:58:14 GMT

In article <kjell-111192135513@g0-mac5.ekti.chalmers.se>, kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:
|> 
|> OH COME ON YOU GUYS!!!!!
|> 
|> 
|> Don't start this arguing all over now again!
|> 
|> Put it like this instead:
|> 
|> In a couple of weeks there will bi Christmas. Wouldnt it be nice, just for
|> a while at least, to share Christmas traditions with eachother instead of
|> fighting.
|> Let me try with this one:
|> 
|> In Sweden we all drink something called GLUGG. It's very sweet wine, remade
|> from old wine that SYSTEMBOLAGET don't find any use for and can't get ridd
|> of in any other way. We drink it hot with raisins and shopped nuts. After a
|> couple of glases your stomage feels very turbulent and you have to spend
|> some hours on the lavatory.
|> 
|> Do you have any similar experiences in Finland?
|> 
|> Come on, lets coop!!!!!
|> 
|> 
|> Kjell the Brave
|> 
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At least we have it in Norway - its called GL{\O}GG (Latex style).

I don't know if I can wait until christmas.

BTW: You all know that Santa Claus is from N..... ?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com>
	<WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi> <TORKEL.92Nov12095026@isis.sics.se>
	<WALVER.92Nov13082933@kielo.uta.fi>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:59:19 GMT

In article <WALVER.92Nov13082933@kielo.uta.fi> walver@kielo.uta.fi 
(Ville V. Walveranta) writes:

   >Well, you responded to this message even though you're located
   >in Sweden.

  Well, yes. I responded to say that I doubt that many people here
are interested. This is a matter for you people in Finland to
thrash out.
From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:45:07 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:

>Well, since neither Sweden nor any other European country participated
>in the US presidential election, ....

Well, we should, shouldn't we? After all, the outcome of a presidential
election in the USA has some influence on us in Europe. Wouldn't it be
fair if we were all given, for example, one tenth of a vote? :-)


-- 
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk
------------------ When nobody is looking at it, this sentence is in Spanish.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com>
	<WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:50:26 GMT

In article <WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi> walver@kielo.uta.fi
 (Ville V. Walveranta) writes:

   >Furthermore, it's kind of strange that the Swedish-speaking
   >people always get on defensive when the language-eduaction in
   >Finland is discussed. Why do you care?

  I doubt that many Swedish-speaking people in Sweden - as opposed
to Finland - care about this at all. If they get defensive, it's
probably because you sound aggressive.
From: dan@astro.uu.se (Dan Kiselman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:21:56 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solaris.astro.uu.se

In article <1992Nov6.194602.7002@cs.cornell.edu>, elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov6.170440.6483@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
       [....]
|> >
|> >And when it comes to Palme's attitudes to USA, there's ample evidence 
|> >that when he made his loud accusations in his public speeches in the 
|> >1970's, he had a very different attitude "in private", e.g. concerning 
|> >military intelligence cooperation with USA/NATO. Not that I'm surprised 
|> 
|> I'm not surprised either. Didn't he get an Ivy League education over here,
|> or is my memory playing games with me?

Yes, he did. It is said that he should be considered as a friend and admirer of
 the USA, though perhaps a little split. I remember hearing Henry Kissinger
himself saying some surprisingly nice words about Palme after the murder.
Harsh words and shouting over the US Vietnam policy in the 60's/70's could
not alone qualify you as an enemy of the USA. After all, several US citizens
did the same. I predict that one day you may even find one of those in
the White House... :-)  
-- 
           Dan Kiselman, Uppsala Astronomical Observatory, Sweden
           Dan.Kiselman@astro.uu.se
From: tijoma@uta.fi (Jorma M{ntyl{)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Keywords: alcohol, scandinavia
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:18:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Nov11.204321.20048@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Satya Bhamidipati) writes:
>	I have a finnish friend (from Helsinki) who says that
>    alcoholism is rampant among men of Finland (Scandinavia in
>    general). Is this true ? Are there any statistics to show
>    that alcoholism is more/same/less than in other countries.

Here are some very new statistics from Europe about the consumption of
alcohol (100% alcohol/person/year):

France		13 litres 
Germany		11  "
Denmark		9,5 "
Poland		9   "
Finland		7,5 "
Sweden		6   "
------------------------------------
Latvia		6-8 "   (estimation)
Lithuania     	6-8 "   (estimation)
Russia		8-9 "	(estimation, St. Peterburg area)

Source: Jussi Simpura: Alcohol Problems as Social Problems around the
Baltic Sea.  Alkoholipolitiikka 3/1992, pp. 151-158.

#Jorma Mantyla
#Univ. of Tampere
#Finland

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Tchudes in Pathfinder
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:07:55 GMT

Bob Hammarberg (hberg@polisci.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <NIEDER.92Nov2162929@dompap.iesd.auc.dk> nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann) writes:
: 
: >Hi,
: 
: >I recently saw the Finnish (or is it Swedish?) film 'Pathfinder' (don't
: >know what it is called in Finnish).
: 
: >There was a gang of murderers in the film called 'Tchudes' or something like
: > that. What does this mean?
: 
: "Chudy" is a (derogatory?) name that the Russians use(d) for the Finns.  
: There's a Chudskoje Ozero on the Estonian-Russian border, Peipsi j{rv in 
: Estonian, Lake Peipus in English.  It's hard to tell what the 
: Saami might have meant by their use of Chud - probably some tribe from the 
: south-east, which would most likely make them Finnic.  Perhaps Jarmo can 
: enlighten us about this ethnic slur....?

Yes the russians called the Baltic area Finnic peoples with the name
Tchudes. It has very, very old origin.

The dchuhnas as the russians call in ourdays finns is a more new name
for the finns, and it is used in derogative meaning. The chudes I thinks
was not used as such a meaning.
Regards,
jarmo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:02:58 GMT

Jorma M{ntyl{ writes:
>Satya Bhamidipati writes:

>>	I have a finnish friend (from Helsinki) who says that
>>    alcoholism is rampant among men of Finland

>France		13 litres 
>Germany		11  "
>Denmark		9,5 "
>Poland		9   "
>Finland		7,5 "
>Sweden		6   "

Now, the Swedish governmental alcohol policy is focused only on
statistics, so its no wonder they look "good".

Do these statistics really take into account the actual amount of
hembr{nning that takes place in Sweden? I'd say that even in Stockholm,
25% of the 100% alcohol consumed is home made, and on the countryside
its much more.

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