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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Things to make flying more comfortable
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:19:38 GMT

Having just gotten back from Dayton, Ohio, by way of Cincinnati
and Detroit (don't ask), I'm wondering what I can do to make
medium distance trips more comfortable in the future.  I'm tired!

It didn't help that the airline (Northwest) didn't distribute enough
pillows and blankets, but it seems that on each flight you have maybe one
shot at getting a pillow as they're handed out, and once they're gone,
no one relinquishes theirs, even if they're not using it.  An inflatable
plastic pillow might come in handy.  Anyone ever tried this?

Actually, I thought the airline did a good job but was less than thrilled
with my fellow passengers.  I only got to sit with my travelling companion
on one of four flights, in part because someone else was sitting in our
assigned seats and refused to move ("they screwed up our seating assignments,
we got here first, now go away" seems to be the attitude).  On another flight,
someone stole my blanket and pillow when I went up front to check with the
flight attendants.  Geez.

Charleen

--
This Thanksgiving is gonna be a special one.  My mom says I don't
have to sit at the card table.     -- Jim Samuels
From: lyt@aber.ac.uk (Lynda Ann Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: One Way Ticket: NY - Columbus - Milwaukee
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:28:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

One Way Ticket For Sale 

New York (Laguardia) to Milwaukee via Columbus
Leaves Thursday Aug 27th 4.20pm
Arrives Milwaukee 9.14pm

$75.00 o.b.o.

Ticket was issued with initial instead of first name.
Good for anyone.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Info on AUSTRALIA Needed - Please !
From: <SALOMONE@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 21:46:02 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Hi folks,

I am an undergrad flight student at the Univ of North Dakota and am travelling
to Syndey, Australia from Sept 3rd thru Sept 7th.  Can ANYONE help by providing
information on recommended places to stay that are "inexpensive" (i.e. a
student's very, very limited budget) along with places to see and things to
do while in Sydney ???

Thanks in advance !
John Salomone

salomone@ndsuvm1

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan)
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comfortable
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.224553.17922@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|> rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan) wrote: 
|> ->	You really should have insisted to the flight attendants. Was it really
|> ->such a full flight that you couldn't move somehwere else?
|> 
|> agreed, but your "was it really ..." remark is really uncalled for.
|> as a passenger with a ticket and proper boarding pass, it's not my job
|> to "move somewhere else" when some butthead is sitting in my assigned
|> seat..  


	Hmmm. Yes. Sorry about that. In hindsight, I still wouldn't call
it "uncalled for," but maybe insensitive especially to those people like
you who really get pissed off with these sorts of things.

	For me, this just shows another cultural difference between
(most, I think) Asians and Americans (Euorpoeans, too?). First, if the
guy really didn't have a duplicate boarding pass, then you're right to call
him butthead and make a scene. But, if he did...well, then somebody would
have to give in, right? If this happened to me, being Asian and non-confrontational
at heart, I'd have easily gave in and moved. No problem, doesn't affect
me in any way, and besides I hate making scenes, even if the other asshole
party is at fault. Thus, my inability to understand what was "uncalled for"
in that statement. I still apologize, but I hope you understand this.


	As an aside, back in the late 70's my dad (who's a lawyer in the
Philippines) got bumped out of First Class on an overbooked TWA flight.
He quietly got out of the plane, as the FA ordered him, and promptly
sued TWA in Manila. Went all the way to the Supreme Court, but in the
end he got about $50,000 in damages. (Of course, it helped that he didn't
have to pay any lawyer's fees :-) )

	If my dad wasn't a lawyer though, then he probably would have 
just suffered in silence (I guess I would've). Now, *that's* the weak point
of such behavior. To Asians, Americans seem to sue each other too often,
but I guess it's just a reflection of how concerned they are of their
own rights, which is of course good.
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheapest published fare
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:12:12 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

Awhile back we had a thread on the shortest scheduled flights. I don't
recall who was the winner (SFO-OAK? JFK-LGA?), but it started me to
wonder about what the *CHEAPEST* published fare ever was.

To make it relevant, I'll post the following criteria: The fare had to
be a published fare on a regularly-scheduled commercial airliner, made
available to anyone. No special promos, two-fer-one deals, or anything
like that. Also, only fares published since deregulation (say, since
1978) are applicable.

The cheapest I seem to remember is a $29 fare on People Express, good for
travel from one on their many northeast points (BOS, BUF, BWI, PHL, etc)
into Newark. But they may have had $19 fares at one time.....

-jc
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.201633.15150@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen) wrote:
>->I *totally* disagree.  It makes for a safer and more positive workplace
>->for all of the other people that work there.
>
>prove it.

[ouch!]

>
>-> ... Home Depot drug tests
>->all _applicants_ and from what I've heard, the people that work there
>->actually like it because they do not have to worry or suspect other
>->employees for abusing drugs or alcohol before coming to work (presumably
>->someone who can pass the test before getting hired won't start later....)
>
>indeed.  how ridiculous.  surely you see how this reasoning is
>flawed?

No, but as I re-read my above statement, let me make a clarification,
when I said "....before coming to work..." that meant _both_ as
an initial hire, and as a continuing employee.


David Andersen
UC Irvine

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,bit.listserv.travel-l
From: zxmkg01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Klug)
Subject: Cheap ticket LA -> GUAM -> LA *WANTED*
Keywords: LA,GUAM,TICKET
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:37:01 GMT



I'm looking for a cheap airfare to fly from

LA --> GUAM (Micronesia) --> LA 

this december.

Has anybody an idea where I can get it !?? Pls mail me.

Thank you in advance ....
--
Michael Klug      zxmkg01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
G i v e  p e a c e  a  c h a n c e
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sanghi@wam.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Subject: Flying to India on Northwest miles: Some questions
Originator: sanghi@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:15:45 GMT


I have got 60K miles on NWA, but it takes 80K to go to India (on KLM).
I was thinking of going to some place on NW and buy a separate ticket
from there to Delhi. There are two possibilities. Either I go from DC
to some place in Asia (Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong etc) for 50K miles
and have a separate ticket from there. Or I can go to Europe for 30K
miles (I think NW flies to Frankfurt, London, Paris and Amsterdam) and
get a separate ticket from there. I believe that the second option
wouldn't save me much money since the fares from Europe to Delhi are
only couple of hundred dollars less than the best fares I can find from
Washington, DC.

I would like to know if someone has done this before. If I have two
separate tickets, can I still book my luggage through. If I go via Europe,
do I get to take two pieces as checked-in baggage, or will it be only
one on the Europe-India leg. How to find best fares from various places
to Delhi. What are the other "hidden" expenses (like airport taxes,
transit visas etc.) which I should take into account before deciding things.

I would like to leave Washington DC around 15th Oct for Delhi, and return
on about 15th Nov.

Thanks,

-dheeraj
-- 
Dheeraj Sanghi			(h):301-474-3592	(o):301-405-2723
Internet: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu	UUCP: uunet!mimsy!dheeraj
If you want to judge the culture and civilization of a people you can find
that out by the status and conditions of the women of the country. - Nehru
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: public transport from laguardia, NYC to newark airport?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:27:41 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Distribution: usa
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <chun.714081241@gargoyle.uchicago.edu> chun@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Chun-Kuen Ho) writes:
>can anybody give me some direction on taking any public transport from
>the laguardia airport in NYC to the newark airport? and roughly what
>the rate will be and the hours of operations? 
>
>the reason is that we found that renting a car from laguardia is more
>expensive than renting one from newark (210/week vs. ~175/week,
>subcompact). since we are flying into laguardia, we are thinking of

The time trouble and expense of getting from one airport to another is
nIMHO not  going to be  worth it unless  you are staying   a couple of
weeks.  Don't forget you've got to get *back* from Newark to LaGuardia
on your return, right?
				reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: majidh@atlastele.com (Majid Hajari)
Subject: Travel Award for sale 
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:17:48 GMT


I have number of United travel award for sale and it will go to the first
reasonable offer:

	1.  one round trip ticket to Eroupe.  Travel must be completed
	    by 29 Feb. 1993

	2.  I have over 80000 miles of travel coupons that can be used
	    in many different ways.  Just tell me where you want to go
	    and how much your offer is.


Please respond with email?

Majid
D

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: AIR CANADA - UNITED AIRLINES DEAL
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:23:56 GMT

In <anne.714239352@menaik> anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
~
>ken@unixg.ubc.ca (Kenneth White) writes:

>>Does anyone know if the AC-UA deal announced yesterday includes
>>any frequent flyer arrangements, like can you now get Mileage Plus
>>credit on Air Canada and when does it start?

>From what I understand you WILL be able to get Mileage Plus credit
>but the deal is not signed yet -- has to be approved, and it seems 
>no-one wants to say if/when that will happen.

>(Would be great if it was approved in time to take advantage of those
>cheap fares to Asia!)

>Anne

The story from the Globe and Mail would suggest that the two ff plans
will become one.  Also passengers will be able to get United boarding
passes at Air Canada check-in (and vice-versa).  AC will also join
United's reservation service.
From: shetty@silke.nsc.com (Ravi Shetty)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: One Way Airline Ticket SanJose-->NYC(Laguardia)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:33:18 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

Keywords: One Way Airline Ticket SanJose-->NYC

     I have two return tickets to NYC(Laguardia) is for sale.

     Price: $100 each

     Female passengers.

     Airline: NWA

     Date : September 5,1992

     Dates can be changed for $25 each.

     Flight      Leave                 Arrive


     NW178       SanJose 12:20PM      Detroit 7:34pm

     NW432       Detroit 8:45pm       NYC(Laguardia) 10:32pm



     Call me at 510 429 8343
From: jl@CS.CMU.EDU (Juan Leon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:03:45 GMT
	<1992Aug19.031036.13194@ads.com>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: jl@SHELLEY.SP.CS.CMU.EDU



  Air France runs buses with few -- if any-- stops between the two airports.
  I would guess the fare to be abotu FF 50.

  You can also take the RER B (blue line) from Charles de Gaulle to Anthony,
which takes about 35 minutes, and catch the OrlyVal (an automatic train) to
Orly (5-10 minutes.)  OrlyVal is expensive (maybe FF 20 for a single trip?)

  I suspect the train is faster, depending on your arrival time.

Juan
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:10:08 GMT


>this is a good reason to *not* fly northwest ... drug tests for
>everyone as they walk in the door is not only useless, but an invasion
>of personal privacy.

I *totally* disagree.  It makes for a safer and more positive workplace
for all of the other people that work there.  Home Depot drug tests
all _applicants_ and from what I've heard, the people that work there
actually like it because they do not have to worry or suspect other
employees for abusing drugs or alcohol before coming to work (presumably
someone who can pass the test before getting hired won't start later....)


Just my $.02


David Andersen
From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Rental Car Info. -anyone??
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:36:01 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Group W Bench

In the referenced article romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>I am a 20 year old male who will be visting the Los Angeles area in September
>and I know this may not be the correct news group for this, but it does
>have to do with travelling ~somewhat.

>-> Anyway, I need to rent a car. I have two Visa/one Mastercard credit cards
>  and auto insurance to cover any car I drive. Is there anyplace in the L.A.
>  area that will rent a car for me and how much?? Most places say 21 and over
>  and a credit card. If my age is a factor, I have a friend who is travelling
>  with me who is 22, BUT he DOESN'T have a credit card -> any suggestions??

See what your university travel agent can come up with. (If you don't know
what travel agent the university uses, ask a faculty member who's well
published.... :)  Oh, and note that in most cases, you MUST refuse the
CDW fee in order for your credit card to cover the insurance.  The rental
agent in LAX should know this.... though agents in smaller towns may not.
(If you don't have a good VISA/MC that covers, you'll have to tell the agent
that your policy will cover... you might bring a copy of your policy/brochure
in case they get kitchy...)  Also, using a travel agent *may* entitle you
to certain insurance, see him/her for details.  

Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
<pow!> <pow!> We are being delayed because someone is obstructing the doors.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Flying on New Year's Eve
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:10:18 GMT

In article <frank2.13@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
>Does anyone have any experience of flying on B.A. at midnight on New Year's 
>Eve (London to Johannesburg, if that makes any difference)... like, is it a 
>major party is it just like flying on any other overnight flight?
>

I flew NY-Zurich over New Year's Eve on American two years ago.  In the middle 
of the Atlantic, the captain announced that it was midnight, and they passed 
out champagne.  Other than that it was a regular flight.

Wayne
-----------
Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Prices from Auckland NZ to Norfolk Island???
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:33:40 GMT

In article <o2kVPB2w164w@amigans.gen.nz> batman@amigans.gen.nz (Kerry Emerson) writes:
>Does anyone have any prices for travelling (by air) from New Zealand to
>Norfolk Island?  Wishing to stay One to Two weeks in Norfolk around the
>start/middle of December.                                              

They don't have travel agents in New Zealand??

Charleen

--
A Texas kindergarden teacher informed her class that the next day, she would
teach them how to draw.  The following day, 6 youngsters showed up with pistols.
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Travel Award for sale
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:07:44 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Aug21.133732.1940@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.161748.13026@atlastele.com> majidh@atlastele.com (Majid Hajari) writes:
>>
>>I have number of United travel award for sale and it will go to the first
>>reasonable offer:
>>
>>	1.  one round trip ticket to Eroupe.  Travel must be completed
>>	    by 29 Feb. 1993
>
>This award *is* fully transferable, right?  Otherwise, it's near-worthless
>to anyone but you.

Most awards on United  are fully  transferrable  --  but they make the
person who the award  is originally issued  to sign  something stating
that he did not receive any compensation...
						reb
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comfortable
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:20:17 GMT

Steps to make flights more bearable:

1. Don't fly NW or CO.
2. Don't fly NW or CO.
3. Don't fly NW or CO.
......
10. Don't fly NW or CO.
(yeah, I know NW was probably more convenient....)


>It didn't help that the airline (Northwest) didn't distribute enough
>pillows and blankets, but it seems that on each flight you have maybe one
>shot at getting a pillow as they're handed out, and once they're gone,
>no one relinquishes theirs, even if they're not using it.  An inflatable
>plastic pillow might come in handy.  Anyone ever tried this?

I have a much more "refined" technique.  When I'm going to fly multiple
segments on the same airline in the same day, I grab the pillows and
blankets from the first flight and put them in my bag.  I then
leave them on the last filght segment that I fly.  I'm not stealing,
merely "re-routing the blankets"  (besides, my luggage usually gets
re-routed too :-) ).


>
>Actually, I thought the airline did a good job but was less than thrilled
>with my fellow passengers.  I only got to sit with my travelling companion
>on one of four flights, in part because someone else was sitting in our
>assigned seats and refused to move ("they screwed up our seating assignments,
>we got here first, now go away" seems to be the attitude).

Unless they're obviously disabled or requiring the seat for a special
reason, they can _MOVE_.  You reserved a seat, just like in a theater.
The seat may be your lucky number, wedding date, etc.

Here are two good reasons why you'd want to convince them to move:
   (a) if the plane goes down, you want to know where your
        travelling companion is....
   (b) tell them this one (always works):  'if the plane goes down
       and you die in my seat ("for me") then your relatives will
       worry when they can't find you.....'

>On another flight,
>someone stole my blanket and pillow when I went up front to check with the
>flight attendants.  Geez.

....and that would be me :-)



David Andersen
UC Irvine
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:10:36 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

T.D.Sadlier@massey.ac.nz (T.D. Sadlier) wrote: 
->Can someone please tell me the best way of getting from Charles de
->Gaulle Airport to Orly Airport (Paris) - We'll be flying in from
->San Francisco and have about 2 hours in which to transfer from one
->to the other.  Any help would be appreciated.

hmm.  that's kinda close.  best bet: call either/both airlines (or your
travel agent, if you used one) and explain what you need to do ... they
can tell you about the best way to get from one airport to another (you
may have to do the taxi thing
... )

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: Delta Standby Travel Voucher
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.124623.4413@fokus.gmd.de> skr@fokus.gmd.de (S. Krause) writes:
>I am thinking about buying a 30 day Delta standby travel voucher.
>In Germany, they are currently sold for DM 799.- (~ US$ 540) which
>I think is incredibly cheap. (You can also buy a 60 day voucher for
>1399.-)
>Has anybody used these vouchers and can share his/her experiences.
>Especially I would like to know about the chances to get a seat
>and recommended days to fly/not to fly and notouriously overbooked
>routes.

I was not aware that such tickets were still available.  Maybe only in
Germany?  Anyway, Delta Air Lines is the least overbooked airline out of
the major airlines, so Delta probably would have the best deal for
standby tickets.  Don't fly Friday afternoon/evening or Sunday afternoon/
evening if you can avoid it.  There are no notoriously overbooked routes
that I know of except perhaps if you simply refuse to fly indirect routes;
JFK-LAX for example, is usually crowded on the non-stop flights, but you should
definitely be able to fly through DFW or something.  The BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle 
would be the easiest place to find empty seats.  One Saturday night at 8:30
I found myself one of four passengers on a 727-200.:)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
From: T.D.Sadlier@massey.ac.nz (T.D. Sadlier)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:36:07 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Can someone please tell me the best way of getting from Charles de
Gaulle Airport to Orly Airport (Paris) - We'll be flying in from
San Francisco and have about 2 hours in which to transfer from one
to the other.  Any help would be appreciated.

Tanya Sadlier
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan)
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comfortable
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:28:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.041938.13389@ads.com>, charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:

|> It didn't help that the airline (Northwest) didn't distribute enough
|> pillows and blankets, but it seems that on each flight you have maybe one
|> shot at getting a pillow as they're handed out, and once they're gone,
|> no one relinquishes theirs, even if they're not using it.  An inflatable
|> plastic pillow might come in handy.  Anyone ever tried this?
|> 

	You can buy some sort of an inflatable neckrest. My dad has one,
though I don't know wher he bought it.


|> Actually, I thought the airline did a good job but was less than thrilled
|> with my fellow passengers.  I only got to sit with my travelling companion
|> on one of four flights, in part because someone else was sitting in our
|> assigned seats and refused to move ("they screwed up our seating assignments,
|> we got here first, now go away" seems to be the attitude).  On another flight,
|> someone stole my blanket and pillow when I went up front to check with the
|> flight attendants.  Geez.

	You really should have insisted to the flight attendants. Was it really
such a full flight that you couldn't move somehwere else?