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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:06:48 GMT

As much as Image comix cost, I'm *glad* they don't come out
that often!!

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: LEGION 92 #46
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:39:11 GMT

In article <lcueepINN4lh@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.212552.13279@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Nine pages of fight scene in a twenty-two page story.  With Lobo
>>appearing prominently in seven of them.  Not a bad comic, given
>>that they seem to be trying to Out-Marvel Marvel -- it's being done
>>skillfully enough -- but trying to Out-Marvel Marvel doesn't leave
>>that much room to be a good comic, either.  The creators seem to
>>have decided that Lobo fans represent the important core of their
>>readership.
>
>Is that why Lobo has had a relatively minor role in almost all of the past 8 
>or so issues ? Is that why he's appeared on only 2 or so covers and (then
>only in a minor role) since # 38 ? 
>
>Even in this issue, it was Tinya who got the solo cover and Hal Jordan who
>got the double page centerspread. Lobo did get in on some of the action
>pages, but I would still say his role in this story is relatively minor
>compared to Vril Dox, Lady Q, and the possessed Captain Comet.

	Lady Q was signficant to the _plot_ of this issue, but she was
completely absent as a character.  She was, after all, unconscious for
the whole time!  Vril Dox occupied a typical Vril Dox role--  nothing more
nothing less.  If anyone was a "center stage" character here it was Comet--
but, as you point out, he was possessed.  (Personally, I found the creature
possessing him to be far more interesting than Comet ever is himself.)
	It was a fairly eclectic issue with regards to the characters who
occupied notable roles, but most of the important scenes did involve Lobo.
Green Lantern may have got that impressive centerspread, but let's not
forget how Lobo steals the show on the next page by almost running him
over.	And, Lobo was the main opponent to Comet in the fight scene--  Bertron
certainly helped out but Lobo sure seemed to be more effective.  Garv, who
I would have expected to participate the fight, played the rather unusual
role of messenger/errand-boy--  take Marijn here, take the organic sludge
there, follow me to this place.

	My question is: Could Lobo be mellowing?  After "Comet" called 
Bertron a fool, Lobo agreed, "Yeah, he's a moron," but then added, "But he's 
learning fast.  This might possible be the nicest thing Lobo has ever said 
about one of his fellow LEGIONaires.  :-)


	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: that little box in the lower corner
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:30:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep30.145524.14091@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.014804.25551@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>
>>Obscure Trivia Lad says he thinks it stands for "United Parcel Code."
>>Or something like that.
>
>	Close.  I think it stands for "Universal Product Code".  Its
>the same as the boxes on everything you buy at a grocery store.  Its
>used scan the price of the item.  The newstand editions of comics have
>them because they are sold in supermarkets and drug stores where items
>are scanned by the cashiers (although its been my experience that these
>codes on comic books are never entered into the system in most stores and
>the cashiers have to punch in the price manually).

Obscure Trivia Lad hides his head in shame, for his weakness has caused
him to confuse UPC and UPS.  Now Obscure Trivia Lad feels stupid.

Obscure Trivia Lad did, however, know what the damn thing is used for,
as Obscure Trivia Lad is currently employed as one of those cashiers
that do said scanning.  Not that anyone else cares.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH:  Enter...Kid Kirby!
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:49:18 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <0eoSxbe00iV3E3YXgC@andrew.cmu.edu> ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes:
>
>   From the Mighty Fourth World he came.  Written with the pompous,
>polysyllabic prose of Lee (Stan, not Jim or Jae) himself, drawn in the
>inimitable style of Jack "King" Kirby, possessing the ability to warp
>perspective and foreshortening to their ultimate potential.  This...is
>his pulse-pounding premiere appearance...

Writen in the style of Lee, drawn in the style of Kirby?  Sounds
like the pre-Eric-as-Thor DeFalco/Frenz issues of The Mighty Thor!

Obscure Trivia Lad, ducking from the attacks from the unidentifiable
weapons Kid Kirby starts shooting at him, before he realizes that
he's dead and the weapons won't hurt him anyway.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 15:18:43 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN: Delirium

Is it just me, or does it seem like Delirium's apparent physical age
is closer to 8 when in her early appearances she looked more like 14?
(Please note that I said "apparent physical age")
Perhaps there is a conscious effort to avoid repeating the situation
of severe fanboy lust after Death?
From: jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:11:56 GMT
	<bjm1.717924458@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Ok...we agree...Malibu is a publisher and Image is the group of artists (fact)
(the term "distributer" used in another post by me concerning Malibu was
ill-used)

We agree that Malibu would suffer if Image folds, correct? If Image were
to fold then a good portion of Malibu's marketshare would disappear.
Malibu went out on a limb to help Image get started and the sunk costs
that Malibu has invested in Image would be for naught if they folded.
Malibu may have been able to survive in the past on the non-Image
titles, but now? I'm not so sure...

Now, if Malibu was to fold...IMHO I don't believe that there would be
many independant publishers willing to pick up Image with their current
track record. Who want's unreliable profits? How can you speculate on
how much you need to increase your staff and resources when you don't
know when the money is going to be coming in?



=========================================================================
J. Hamilton Slye (jsbr@andrew.cmu.edu) 1071 Morewood Ave., Pgh, Pa. 15213

The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"Oooohhhh no! Forget that stuff!"  -  Ren Hoek, "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
=========================================================================
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:06:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Sep29.210616.753
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
> This may seem like a fairly basic question: But why do so many
> people on this net send the same posting six, seven or even
> 15 times on the same day???? Is what they're sending so earth-
> shattering that they're afraid someone in Zimbabwe might have
> missed it?
> C'mon folks, don't tie up the net with repeats. There's enough 
> interesting NEW stuff to talk about.
> 
> 				Signed,	
> 				Capt. B.J. Smegma
> 				Chancellor of
> 				Her Majesty's Redundancy Police
> 
> 				(actually it's me, Saint, I'm just
> 					being picky again.)

I don't know what you mean.
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Marvel Collector's Comic
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:37:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.194856.8644@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>In article <20788@plains.NoDak.edu> shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson) writes:
>>
>>>Anyone out there know of the comic that Marvel is giving out to
>>>people who send in Charleston Chew wrappers?
>>
>>>Is it good?
>>
>>  Not really, its a little too chewy for my likes. :-)
>>
>
>In fact, I heard it bites.
>
>
>
Actually, I kind of like 'em, I've tried the Chocolate and the Vanilla, and
thought they were both pretty good.  I mean they're no Hershy's but still...

----SCAVENGER

-- 
KAHN: And I never forget a face.  Mr. Chekov,   |  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
     (from MST3K:The Wrath of Kahn)             |    you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:39:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Oct5.223920.19580
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <senuwfW00WB4ADHfJB@andrew.cmu.edu> ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:
>Yes, I know this is a topic that's come up before; on the other hand, I was
>thinking about it going through news today, so I thought I'd bring it up
>again.  Who would you *most* like to see do an issue (or issues) of Sandman,
>and on what theme?  (Assuming you could find a theme for said artist)

Well, my favorite artists have already worked on Sandman -- one of my favorite
aspects of the book is that since the artists change from storyline to 
storyline, we get a new look with each arc.  (Now if they would only change
artists in HELLBLAZER, permanently -- this guy Will Simpson draws on the
level of an art student, or worse...)

The issue of the Season of Mists illustrated by Matt Wagner was excellent,
one of my favorite single issues of a comic ever.  I also am a big fan of
Shawn McManus' stuff, and he was perfectly chosen for the storyline he did--
I can't imagine anybody would've identified with the characters in Barbie's
dream (Luz, Wilkinson, and the others) if they hadn't been drawn so well;
characters like these and demon-types seem to be McManus' strong suit.  (Al-
though the previous issue, about the Emperor of America, was extremely well
drawn and didn't have any little animals or monsters.)

I'd really like to see Dave McKean do one of the books, if it were painted.
I don't like his drawing as much as his painting.  (Comparing the issues of
Hellblazer he did with Black Orchid.)  I'm also a fan of Val Semeiks' work
on the Demon, but it doesn't seem to be suited to the Sandman...

Chuck




-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
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NO 498: "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or
	 another."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Re: What's a superhero? *spoilers*
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:05:02 GMT

Spawn #4 left me cold. I mean, I thought that Spawn wasn't the archetypical
superhero, for he doesn't bash evildoers, handles evil, and saves damsels in
distress like any other regular hero fare. I liked the concept of a limited
life, and the Faustian twist of his fates, and the irony of living, while he's
dead. But, noooo, the ol' Devil pulls a trick and says that he has two options:
Bash up on evildoers and die quicker and return to his fold;
Or let evil run rampant, so he can live longer.

Sounds pretty much standard super-hero fare to me... :(
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Releases-9/18/92
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:49:46 GMT

tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>>>Incredible Hulk #399

>The only flaw I could find with it didn't occur to
>me until several hours after I'd read it in advance form at San Diego, namely
>that Rick never mentions Mar-Vell at all. On the other hand, it could be
>argued that the necessary exposition would have weakened the story.

The question isn't why Rick didn't mention Mar-Vell.  After all,
Mar-Vell died, in a fairly mundane way, and never did come back (I
think that was the first time he ever actually died; at least, I can't
remember any others, although he was mysteriously hurled into the
negative zone a couple of times).

The question is why nobody else mentioned Mar-Vell.

I thought Dr. Strange was a little flip, although admittedly he never
knew Rick Jones well at all.  I thought Johnny Storm's reaction was
the best, and very in character.
-- 
Ian Lance Taylor                ian@airs.com                 uunet!airs!ian
First person to identify this quote wins a free e-mail message:
``He caught the lady in this way: so when the lady was running away for her
  life, he hastily ran to her front and stopped her as a log of wood.''
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: Sascha Segan <sascha@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks; SPOILERS
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F32F9DA5013218@commons4-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 3 Oct 92 11:08:13 GMT
Organization: Yale, Yale, Yale!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.071351.27031@netcom.com> Dani Zweig, dani@netcom.com
writes:
>I reread Miraclemen #23 the other day, and had a couple of minor
>afterthoughts.  I'd missed noticing, the first time I read it,
>that "kidding" was an all-purpose swear word because, like "what
>the kid", it was a reference to Bates.
>
>It also struck me, even more forcibly than it did upon first
>reading, that Miracleman would have been hard put to come up
>with a *less* gentle or effective way to introduce YM to the
>twenty-first century.  Was he *trying* to create an enemy, or
>has he really lost that much touch with what he was?

	Ooooh. I read MM #23 several times the other day, and have noticed a
bunch of incongruities that NG said he'll clear up but won't quite say
how. Why, for instance, do the Miraclekids seem just like ordinary
teenagers with superpowers - except for Mist and Winter, who are still
basically Mist and Winter?
	As regards that particular problem, there's one line that sticks out in
my mind. When one of the MKs (Panorama) says something which would not be
coming out of the mouth of a seventeen-year-old of average intelligence,
she is admonished to "not go out of character." I think they're fooling
us; but what are they doing and why are they doing it?
	Yeah, MM does seem kind of out of it.

----Sascha
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Subject: Re: Cerebus questions...
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 06:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.033006.24849@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>Well, technically the Western Church can't have chosen a new pontiff,
>because there's already a living, breathing Pontiff of the Western
>Orthodox Church of Tarim, namely: Astoria. (Remember?)

Whoops!  But then what did Powers mean when he hauled in the Albatross
and declared that Cerebus was now in charge of a united Church?  I can't
believe I forgot that Astoria is probably still technically pontiff.

>Of course, they could have ignored this technicality and appointed a
>new one. In any event, the Lion is not "basically a pontiff"; he was a
>military leader who got himself made the Pope.

Uh... could you point me to this?

>Presuambly the Legions
>have chosen a new leader; if anyone's the new Lion, it's him (whether
>he's Pope or not). However, "The Lion of Serrea" was probably an
>appellation that belonged to the dead Lion alone; I don't think it
>could be passed on to another.

Hm... I dunno about that.  We need more information!  

--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
 You've got to show the chicks you're _happening_, not some geek who reads
    a comic about an aardvark.    -Scott Russo, "Jizz" #7 letter column
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: REBIRTHING THE BIG RED S
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:50:43 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

}There is no 'realistic' way to bring someone back from the dead.  So what
}you really mean is 'realistic by comic-book standards'.  By *those*
}standards, the main objection to the top twenty or so solutions is that
}they're over-worked.  Okay, obvious solutions include

} [Nice synopsis of comic cliche non-deaths deleted]

}6. It turns out that Superman didn't really die, but...no that's too silly.

7. We get a year of Superman comics starring Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen,
then Pam, er I mean Lois, wakes up and finds Clark in her shower.

--James Preston
From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:21:49 GMT

Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>...
>electric chair.  Each Mx sits in front of a lever, and they confront Supes
>thus: Two of the levers are electrified, one is not; two of the imps are 
>lying, one is not.  Supes gets one question, and what he asks is, "Which of
>you is holding the non-electrified lever?"

Well, I haven't read the issue in question, so the first major assumption I'd
have to make is that none of the Mx's are lying about the conditions of the
puzzle.  Not something I'd put past them...

>Mx 1: "My lever contains no jolt."
>Mx 2: "My lever contains a jolt."
>Mx 3: "Number one's lever contains a jolt."

>Now Supes (and you, dear reader!) must choose which lever is safe.  Whichever
>you choose is the one that's pulled, so you control whether Lex lives or dies.


 















Step 1:  Assume Mx1 is telling the truth.  Then his lever contains no jolt,
  thus, by the initial conditions, both other levers must.  BUT, Mx2 says
  his lever contains a jolt, which is the truth, which makes two Mxs telling
  the truth, which contradicts the initial conditions.  Therefore, Mx1 must
  be lying, and his lever contains a jolt.

Step 2:  Since Mx3 says that Mx1's lever contains a jolt, which we have 
  already established to be true, Mx3 must be telling the truth.  Therefore,
  Mx2 must be lying, to fulfill the initial conditions.

Step 3:  Since Mx2 says his lever contains a jolt, and we have established
  that he must be lying, his lever must be the jolt-less one.  Q.E.D.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Dazzler, for example, was invented to cash in on the disco craze, not 
 because disco was the greatest perceived threat at the time.  (It turns
 out that disco WAS the greatest threat at the time, but we didn't 
 perceive it.)"         -- Jim Gardner
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:10:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.202806.24872@news.nd.edu> mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
>Also, is this issue the first appearance of Destruction's sigil? Notice
>the sword hanging in his gallery.
>
>
	Not only that, but we also know that Destruction is one of
the `Younger' Endless, if the division of sigils between his gallery walls
is any indication.

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:3094 rec.arts.comics.strips:2689
From: Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:42:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: selene.717919441.0

On Sep 28, Tom Galloway wrote:
 TG>In article <717274858.0@selene.FidoNet.Org> 
 TG>Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy) writes:
  >>My understanding is that the whole thing came about from a discussion at 
  >>San Diego, and that McFarlane received verbal agreements from each of the 
  >>writers after the convention.  Whether the books will actually hit the 
  >>stands with these people involved is questionable in my mind, but I think 
  >>the discussions *did* take place and promises *were* made.
 TG>
 TG>Um, good trick given that none of Moore, Gaiman, or Sim were at San Diego
 TG>this year. While the writing by them has been confirmed by several 
 TG>sources, I'd seriously doubt anything was settled at all at San Diego.

I'm just repeating what McFarlane said about how the whole thing came about.
He didn't mention the discussion involving anyone in particular, just that the
idea was Spawned from a discussion at the San Diego convention.

Check out the last few pages of Spawn #4 for Sim's take on the whole thing.

 * Origin: NineJackNine / 608-256-5697 / Madison WI / (1:121/99)
From: v125qj86@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey B Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation Special 1 Revised
Keywords: sandman annotation
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct02.052518.5137@edsi.plexus.COM>, terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson) writes...
>>In article <1992Sep28.113313.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Inherit the Elmo) writes:
>>>Page 21 panel 1:  Note the family portrait, with Delight, and the issue of
>>>"Cosmopolitan" magazine.
>>>	Panel 3:  It has been alleged that the goldfish are named Slim and
>>>Wandsworth, although I'd like confirmation from a more authoritarian source.
>>>	There is also the larger question of why Death has only human artifacts
>>>in her flat.  The Endless are extremely anthropomorphic, and anthrocentric
>>>(even Eurocentric, if you get right down to it).  The described nature of the
>>>Endless, however, suggests a very much larger scope to their activities; we
>>>expect that Death is present for alien deaths as well as for human ones, and
>>>therefore should evince alien characteristics, at least on occasion.
> 
>We've already been shown Dream appearing as African to an African,
>feline to a cat and alien to a Martian.  Why assume this
>anthropomorphism and eurocentrism is anything more than their appearance
>to the anthropomorphic, european Mr. Gaiman?  Appearances seem to vary
>widely, depending on who's looking.

	Regarding why Deaths' apartment had only human items: it was a
human who was visiting after all (Orpheus). I doubt Olethros felt mean
enough to gate his nephew to an alien version (or alien apartment. Er,
whatever. You get the idea) of Deaths' home while the latter was still
in a weak, greiving state of mind.
	Deaths' home is set to a default state of her favorite version of
it. When she knows that it is out of sync with her visitors expectations,
she changes it (or, perhaps, changes his perceptions of it.) Perhaps the
Endless themselves automatically assume the observers expectations, but
their homes and creations may be slightly less varying.
	Just IMHO, of course.


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