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From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: GPS Systems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.163034.7373@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, koning@koning.enet.dec.com writes...
> 
>Are there really any "datums" [sic] that are that far off?  For example, 
>the North American datum of '27 (I think that's right) is only about 30 meters
>away from its successor.  I didn't expect there to be cases where the
>difference is enough to move you from a prudent distance away from rocks
>onto those rocks.  Could you give an example?
> 
>	paul, ni1d

I chartered a boat in Greece recently and the "Greek Waters Pilot" (for
Yatchsmen) warned that the Loran or GPS co-ordinated could be 1.5 miles out,
relative to the charts, as the charts are based in 1850's British Admiralty
surveys.  North American charts are probably better than this!!!

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: tough life?
Keywords: never
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <1992Jul27.152442.11269@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ees1mw@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK (Mike Willis) writes:

 >I wonder how many younger amateurs can remember the original flying
 >circus. I certainly cant, only the repeats.
 >
 >Mike G0MJW.

I can remember Python when it was first telecast but I bet there are
few who remember the Goon Show the first time around!


-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net
From: William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: "Bob" Says...
Date: 21 Jul 1992 12:19:19 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Bob from Null says:

>the simple counts to provide the demographics behind Paul's statement
>are not subject to interpretation, either emotionally or literally.
>
>Amateur radio is aging at an incredible rate as we are losing relevance to
>today's youth.  The recent attempts to do something about this seem to

well, people are living longer and most people tend to be amateur radio 
operators for the rest of their lives once they enter the program.  There has 
also been a pent up demand from the folks that show up late in life that 
wanted to be a radio operator since they were 10 but didn't have the time or 
money to get into the hobby until they were 55-65 or more.

i think it was Don Stoner that was saying that the average age has started 
to drop down with the influx of new hams entering via the code free license 
route.  this is good but the only quick way to lower the age would be to shoot
everyone over 30 and not permit anyone to get an amateur license after they 
turned 20 from then on.

one issue is that the old hams seem to be good at getting other old hams 
(friends etc.) involved and licensed.  the whippersnappers need to be out 
there beating the bushes also.  and looking at average age of amateurs without
comparing it to the average age of the population as a whole is needed.

I'm not sure "relevance" is "relevant".  It can be hard to believe but there 
are some people who should not be amateur radio operators.  and there are some 
people who don't want to be amateur radio operators.  and we need to avoid 
selling to the choir.

73, bill wb9ivr
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M Glass Mt. Losses?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:03:07 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Jul28.021529.268@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>I'm interested in installing a glass mounted 2-meter antenna on a
>'91 Olds 98.  I was tempted to put a Motorola antenna in the top
>but chickened out.  Can anyone tell me how bad the loss is on the
>glass mounted types?  A local ham said they're terrible.

My experience is that they radiate equally poorly with the outside
element present or not. The coax in the car does most of the radiating.
Others have other opinions. Mine is to grab that drill and cut that 
hole.

Gary KE4ZV
From: COLERK%snypotvx.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TM732A Mod
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:11:23 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

So far I have seen numerous messages concerning the ext rec mod for the 732...
most call for "cutting the green wire"....running numerous jumpers here and ther
   e....from info I have received this is what has worked for me.....Move R20 to
    R19....reset the micro-proc and you should get the following.

118-174 RX......136-174 TX......410-470 RX/TX......800-1000 RX

if for some reason you do not get the same freqs then follow instructions on
page 38 concerning "VFO reset of one band only"....whichever band is giving you
problems.....to "hear" 800 Mhz I put a 22pf cap "IMMEDIATELY" to the right of
IC202...there are two "little" solder pads there.....not a lot of room to work..
a couple of coils very close to pads....anyway this is what worked for me...it
should work for you...NO GUARANTEES HERE FOLKS.....JUST PASSING ALONG SOME INFO.
   ....hope if works for you.   REMEMBER THIS MOD WILL ALLOW YOU TO TRANSMIT OUT
    OFBAND SO BE CAREFULL!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068
Organization: University of Maryland College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:50:34 GMT

In article <544@bongo.UUCP> julian@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey) writes:

>	It seems that "participation hobbies" are not attracting youth.
>Youth have been brought up via TV and spectator sports to "watch". I am
>personally very troubled by this. I don't have any children, but I
>have to work with young adults who experience television, not life.

I think that the same part of the youth population that would have
been attracted to ham radio in the past are now attracted to personal
computing as a hobby. 

I can't really say that that "ham radio" is any more of a
"participation hobby" than "personal computing" is.  It is probably
more a question of what is more relevant these days.  Perhaps if the
emphasis was more directed to the more contemporary amateur modes and
operations (such as packet radio or AMSAT), it would be more
attractive to the kids.

At least that's how I see it.  There were no real practical or
affordable personal computers in 1975 when I got my license at age 15.
If there were, I'm not sure things would have been the same.

louie
WA3YMH

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068 / Name Change
Originator: andyw@aspen32
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:16:02 CDT


In article <14570449@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
> [...]
> A good example is a father/son team (friends of mine) who recently got
> their ham licenses.  Eli (the son) had no trouble with the 5 wpm, but
> missed the Tech exam, so ended up as a Novice.  Bill (the father)
> is an electrical engineer, so he had no trouble with the Tech exam,
> but couldn't pass the code.  Now Bill and Eli are looking for
> 220 MHz radios so they can talk to each other on the air!
> 
> I expect this story is repeated many times across the country --
> It's the "old farts" who have trouble with the code.  Young minds
> are well-optimized for learning new languages (like Morse), but 
> have more trouble with electronics theory.

So the people who wish(ed) to use the CW requirement as a "filter",
presumably would rather have the 7 year-old who can't pass the Tech,
rather than the adult engineer who hasn't mastered morris...

Just out of interest, how common is the following scenario :-

1.  Kid is interested in radios, gets licence.
    <few years pass>
2.  Teen is more interested in dating, going to the pub, cars or whatever.
    <few more years pass without much radio stuff, if any at all>
3.  Adult gets back into radio.

It's during the last phase that they can contribute most to the
hobby...

Of course, some slackers skip steps 1 & 2 :-)...
-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:52:13 GMT

In article <Jul.26.19.02.14.1992.21538@pilot.njin.net> ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie) writes:
>Incident #2:  Repeater uses brand-X repeater controller so everyone
>knows how to knock down the autpatch.  Another unidentified user
>decides something he hears is not appropriate for the amateur service
>and knocks down the patch.  He is not the (a) control operator of
>the repeater (would have explained his actions to the guy he
>interupted had he been).  Great, again unidentified intentional
>interference with another user.  The transgression of improper patch
>usage may or may not have been real (see recent discussions here about
>what is music and business communications).  Also, this clod is not
>the trustee of the repeater or one of it's designated operators, so
>he's got no business messing with the control functions.

A friend of mine was ran into a similar problem.  He was on one of the 
islands in Lake Michigan, off Traverse city, and the only repeater he could
reach with his handhels was as "backdoor" link that one of his neighbors had
set up.  He was listening on the link when he heard someone trying to shut
the link down, and not ID'ing.  When my friend spoke up, the offending party
dissapeared and never ID'd.  Fortunately, the DTMF codes for the link had
just been changed.

73 de Ken n8pbe
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I found the ftp site with the callbook data files
Date: 21 Jul 1992 11:46:40 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
>I know that the Radio Amateur Callbook Co. always has made a big deal
>out of the copyright on the Callbook.  I believe their argument is that
>their list is NOT just a copy of the government database, but includes
>info on silent keys, address changes, etc. not reflected in the FCC files.
>I have even heard that they insert occasional minor intentional errors
>to catch copyright violators.

On the other hand, a recent court ruling in the US concluded that the
white pages listing of a telephone book could NOT be copyrighted
because it was merely a listing of publicly-available data with no
creativity in its arrangement or presentation, even though some
material had been added, such as headers and indices.  This leads me to
believe that the Callbook people will have a similar problem attempting
to assert copyright over the callsign information in their product.

The various maps, charts, and operating guides would undoubtedly remain
copyrighted, but I'd guess that the listings of people are fair game.

Consult your attorney before doing anything foolish.
	- Brian
From: robinson@porter.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: AVAILABLE:  The Novice, Technician and General Question Pools
Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:10:24 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: imbrium.geo.brown.edu
Summary: Available from imbrium.geo.brown.edu:/pub/hamradio/software


AVAILABLE from imbrium.geo.brown.edu:/pub/hamradio/software

I have the Novice, Technician and General MS-DOS (IBM) based
question pools available on imbrium.geo.brown.edu.  These were
downloaded form Ccmpuserve's Ham Forum... at an expense!  So,
if anyone has the Advanced and/or the Extra pools, let me know,
I'll archive them here.  Note that this IS Shareware and donations
to the author are appreciated and recommended for a job WELL done!


ftp to:

	ftp imbrium.geo.brown.edu
	login as 'anonymous' or 'ftp'
	send your username and @ as password
	(i.e. robinson@)

	binary
	cd /pub/hamradio/software
	get nov21.exe
	get tec21.exe
	get gen21.exe


Note: These are self-extracting EXE files... you should copy them
into their OWN directory and THEN execute the program.


Regards, Darrin, N1LLV

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith)
Subject: Connection to russia (repost from k1rqg.me.usa.na)
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:56:45 GMT

From    : N1MDZ @ K1RQG 
To      : INFO @ WW    
Date    : 920722/1141 
Msgid   : BF 48726@K1RQG $48726_K1RQG1          
Subject : Connection to Russia                 
                                              
                                             
I am a teacher from Orono, Maine, hoping to convey messages to amateurs in  
these cities in the former Soviet Union; Moscow, St. Petersburg (Leningrad), an 
and Syktivkar and Vuktyl, in the Komi Republic.  I wish to relay messages to    
friends who are living in these places.  My students are involved in a          
cultural exchange with people in these cities so this BBS service can be of     
immeasurable assistance.  All responses should be directed to Richard Glueck,   
N1MDZ@K1RQG.me.usa.na.  Thank you for passing this along to amateurs in         
Europe and Asia.                                                                
                               Richard N1MDZ@K1RQG                              
----- End of message 48726 from N1MDZ @ K1RQG. -----                            


If you can't reply to Dick via packet, send the reply to me and I
will forward it to him.
/Steve
-- 
		Steve E. Goldsmith Systems and Operations Manager
		University of Maine Department of Computer Science
		115 Neville Hall; Orono, Maine 04469 (207) 581-3945
		steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU
From: ajg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (anthony.j.gaeta)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-24AT Problem
Keywords: What's wrong with ICOM's Technicians?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:51:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


I have a 24AT that I have returned to ICOM twice for the same problem.
The problem with the radio is that once the radio gets warm, the 
receive audio goes out, and I get no S-meter reading. However, the
radio still transmits. Once the radio cools down, it works fine again.
I have been able to recreate this failure both during normal use, and
in the lab. I have also been able to isolate the problem down to one
particular area of the radio, but I did not attempt to repair it due
to the location of the problem area on the circuit board.
Each time I've returned this radio to ICOM I did so with a description
of the problem, and instructions to call me when the repair work was being
done. Each time the radio was sent back to me with a note that the 
technician who worked on it could find nothing wrong with it. I should
also add that I never received a call from them as I had asked.
Can someone tell me what's going on here? Can it be that shipping the
rig to ICOM magically repairs it, and shipping it back to me undoes the
repair? What really ticks me off it that I'm without my rig for 3 weeks, and
each time I return the radio I have to pay the shpping costs!
Can anyone give me any suggestions of how to approch this problem? Should
I be demanding that ICOM replace my 24AT with a new one, and who should I
be sending nasty grams to at ICOM in order to get customer satisfaction?

Thanks and 73's

Tony Gaeta
N2NKC
hocpa!n2nkc
908 834-1180
From: William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: code help
Date: 31 Jul 1992 05:14:26 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

>I have tried the tapes and computer to get the code from 10WPM to 13WPM with
>terrible results.  Are there any general class code classes out there?
>N6GNZ

dare i suggest getting on the air?  or at least listening to QSOs?

wb9ivr
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Subject: Re: "Readability, Strength" signal reports
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:29:51 GMT

In article <2A6DF285.2650@ics.uci.edu> turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner) writes:
>
>Gee, sounds like you are hearing "chirp", Jeff.  At least that is the
>closest I can come to interpreting the "whoop whoop".  Does the CW signal
>seem to change frequency with time after the intial "on"?  This would be
>"chirp".  (Often the result of dying battery on a battery powered rig,
>or other power supply / RF feedback problems.)

When I think of chirp I think of a little bird chirping. Maybe the phrase 
should be called "Whooping". I have heard some strange sounds out there.
I heard one guy sound like he was taking off as he went from a low to high 
pitch and disappeared. That kind of caught my attention. Also there is one
ham on 20 meters CW most nights who has a serious case of the whoops. Hope
it's not catching! 8-)

Jeff


-- 
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |      On CW no one can hear you scream! 
 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   |
 Infolinc BBS 415-778-5929 |
From: georgez@synopsys.com (George Z)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-711, AR-1000, FT209 For sale
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:30:06 GMT
Organization: Synopsys, Inc. Mountain View, CA USA

For Sales
Kenwood TS-711 2 meter desk top all mode transceiver.
FM / SSB / CW 25 watts, built in 110 vac power supply,
Works on 12 dc also.  mic, Kenwood box, cables.
Works great.  Makes a very nice contest or Oscar radio.

For sale
Yaesu FT-209 2 meter hand held radio.  Good condition.

For sale
AOR AR-1000 All band scanner.  5 MHz to > 950 Mhz
AM / FM / FM Wide.  Will cover all normal publis service bands
as well as military aircraft, vhf aircraft, FM broadcast,
TV Channels, 800 mhz.  I have enen used it to listen to 
the BBC on 9.640 MHz AM !
Excellent condition.  With case, charger, manual.
By the way this is a handheld scanner.

email to georgez@synopsys.com or call direct
(408) 927-0357 home
(415) 694-4202 work 
'73 de George KJ6VU in San Jose Cal.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Re: Thread to ham radio
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:07:57 GMT

In <1992Jul22.124927.27247@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>While I firmly believe in helmets, I have a shattered Snell 90 that
>probably saved my life in an encounter with a tree, I am puzzled by
>your remark that the law requires rendering assistance. Is this a
>Colorado law?  Many states have "good samaritan" laws that *protect*
>people who *voluntarily* stop to render aid, but I've never heard of
>a mandatory aid law.

In Alabama, you are _required_ to stop and render assistance if you
cause the accident, and I believe that the same law has been
interpreted to require you to stop and render aid if you _see_ an
accident.

Of course, this is Alabama.
-- 
Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG          | I shouldn't bitch / I shouldn't cry
robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov   | I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.
From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ten Tec Argosy
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:40:12 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

I am a regular user of a Ten-Tec Argosy, model 525 -- my only rig on HF.
I'm almost certain it is also available in a model with a digital
readout, though mine is analog only.  This is a descendant of those
Triton IV's, running 50 watts (switchable to 5 watts with a back panel
switch), runs 80, 40, 30, 20, 15, and 10 meters.  It's an all-solid-state
analog rig with QSK, audio notch, RIT standard... optional audio filter,
CW crystal filter, noise blanker, calibrator. It has been a very good
little rig that's easy to modify, work on, etc.  I use it on AMTOR (AFSK)
very nicely.
 
Only major problem is an elusive mechanical stability problem in
certain parts of the dial -- only a problem with AMTOR, really.  I just
ran it on a camping trip to Canada, full 50 watts off a 10 amp hour
sealed battery from my tent.  2 years ago, worked lotsa 20 meter DX
late at night with it from a campsite, too! They sell for about $400 --
if you ever see one (my guess is everybody hangs on to them, they're so
nice!).
 
I love it.  Kind of akin to sailing -- gets you there with a certain charm,
keeps you in contact with the basics.
 
Anybody else have some thoughts on this rig?  Modifications?
Retrofitting the digital readout?
 
: John Seboldt...Minneapolis, MN...As a ham, K0JD...as a human,       :
: right-brained yet right-handed...as a musician, techie yet creative :
:   UUCP: {crash, kksys, petrus, quest}!orbit!pnet51!jseboldt         :
:   ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!jseboldt@nosc.mil                        :
:   INET: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org                                  :
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte)
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:23:26 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> In article <l70g1aINN4t1@west.west.sun.com> hugo@huge.West.Sun.COM writes:
> >In article 14130@mlb.semi.harris.com, rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles) writes:
> >> Why is it everyone tries to ignore rules or find loop holes?
> >> 
> >> If you simply checkout Part 97 you will find the following:
> >> 
> >> 97.115 Music prohibited.
> >> 
> >> The transmission of music by an amateur station is forbidden.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Now, how simple can you get!  It didn't list any exceptions (autopatch music,
  [The rest is deleted.]

  Hey, guys, I hate to be a drag, but we've got a great little group
  called rec.radio.amateur.policy were people who love to argue over
  the fine points of amateur radio regulations hang out. Let's move
  the discussion there.

    Bob KB0CY
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom battery problem
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:56:31 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Seismic Control District, San Diego, CA / Node 2

bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD) writes:

>    I got with it a BC-30 charger, BP-5 and a BP-8.
> 
>    How many time that should i charge each battery?
>    There are two leds ( Pwr et chg ),
>    does the light chg shutdown when the battery is full charge?

The BP-5 and 8 are rapid charge batteries and will autocharge.
The BC-30 will charge all rapid charge batteries except the BP-7
(that requires the newer BC-35).  The slow charge batteries need
about 15 hours for each charge.

(all from memory of times past BTW)

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC