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From: bkatz%cosy.uoguelph.ca@Kentvm.Kent.edu
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Subject: Reference Desk
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:00:27 GMT
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I think that to overspecialize the patron access to reference librarians and
leave the "bread and butter" reference work to para's who may have a variety
of training levels and motivations, etc. is to forgo a professional responsi-
bility of the highest order.  Who is likely to make these appointments?  And
who is NOT likely to make them?  Let's get realistic here.  This scheme, seems
to be a way of lowering the contact hours for prof. librarians (and there-
by reducing their nos.??) and pasting it over with talk of "in depth" service.
I say all this without having read the article and will certainly do so -- ie.
I may indeed stand corrected after I read the arguments.

Bernard Katz, head of Library Academic Support
              U of Guelph Library, Guelph, Ontario
bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:41:45 EDT
From:         "(Cheryl M Laguardia)" <lb10lagu%UCSBUXA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      2 positions available.
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The University of California at Santa Barbara is seeking 2 librarians:

1. Head, Sciences and Engineering Library ($35,052-$59,316 annual salary range).
2. Head, Serials Department (same annual salary range).

For more information, contact:

Detrice Bankhead
LB05BANK@UCSBUXA.BITNET

Assistent University Librarian for Personnel
Library
University of California
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:37:27 EDT
From:         John Iliff <jiff%well.sf.ca.us@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Public Librarian List
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 Below is an announcement made last week on PACS-L by Jean Polly
regarding the development of a new list for public librarians.
Things are moving along with the implementation of the list, so
please stay tuned for further developments.
 The number of public librarians with access to the nets is
increasing, so the time seems right for the development of a list
with a focus on the needs of public librarians.

John I.


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NYSERNet will be starting a listserv very shortly for the
discussion of public libraries and the Internet.
It will be co-moderated by myself and John Iliff of Pinellas Park
(FL) Public Library. Many of you will remember me as Head of Micro
Services at Liverpool Public Library. I have JUST taken this job
with NYSERNet, so please give me a few more weeks to get the
listserv launched. It IS in the works though.

The list will be announced on PACS-L and NewList. If you are
interested in getting a personal note from me when it's ready,
please let me know.

Jean Armour Polly
Manager of Network Development & User Training
NYSERNet, Inc.
111 College Place Syracuse, NY  13244
315/ 443-4120.... FAX 315/425-7518....jpolly@nysernet.org
From: LIB38%Jetson.UH.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
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Subject: Draft NISO Thesaurus Standard
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:57:59 GMT
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PROPOSED NATIONAL STANDARD ON THE
CONSTRUCTION, FORMAT, AND MANAGEMENT OF
MONOLINGUAL THESAURI ISSUED


The national standard for the Thesaurus Construction, ANSI
Z39.19, has been revised and is now available for comment from
the National Information Standards Organization (NISO).  This
proposed revised standard is priced at $30.  It can be ordered
from:  NISO, P.O. Box 1056, Bethesda, MD  20827.

This standard provides guidelines for constructing monolingual
thesauri:  formulating the descriptors, establishing
relationships among terms, and effectively presenting the
information to users in print and on a screen.  The standard also
includes thesaurus maintenance procedures and recommended
features of thesaurus management systems.   The standard points
out both the advantages and disadvantages of various formats for
thesaurus structure and display and illustrates many of these
formats.

All interested persons are invited to participate in the review
of this revised standard.  The review period will end January 15,
1993.

The NISO standards Committee which developed this standard had
the following members:  Bella Hass Weinberg, Chair (Professor,
St. John's University); Ronald L. Buchnan, (NASA Scientific and
Technical Information Program); Lois Lyman, (Digital Equipment
Corporation); Toni Peterson, (Art and Architecture Thesaurus);
Caroline Reyes, (NewsBank/Readex); Peri Schulyer, (National
Library of Medicine); Hans H. Wellisch, (University of Maryland -
Emeritus).

The National Information Standards Organization is accredited by
the American National Standards Institute to develop voluntary
technical standards for the library, information sciences, and
publishing communities.  Fifty standards are now in print and
five standards are scheduled for publication in 1992.  NISO,
which celebrated its fiftieth anniversary in 1989, is supported
by 61 Voting Members including Digital Equipment Company, Mead
Data Central, The Boeing Company, VTLS, the American Society for
Information Science, Apple Computer, the National Library of
Medicine, and NIST.

For more information on NISO's programs and activities contact
the NISO office, 301-975-2814, or write:  NISO, P.O. Box 1056,
Bethesda, MD  20827; Internet: NISO@ENH.NIST.GOV.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:09:07 EDT
From:         "(JENNIFER A. HEISE)" <jahb%Lehigh.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: FURNITURE
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On mixed height counters:
I worked for a time in a library where there was a mixed-height reference
desk, part standing height.  There was also a policy of all professional staff
taking a turn at the reference desk-- whether they liked it or not.  The
comical aspect was that one particular librarian obviously DIDN'T like it, and
would "hide" behind the higher counter, hunched over his work at the desk
part, so that patrons coming from that side couldn't see him!

On lower counters:
Unless you make it possible for people to pull up a chair to talk, you can
make it very awkward to converse: I once had a priest, in full uniform, get
down on his knees in front of the reference desk to talk to me!

Of course, NONE of us want to stand all the time (ARGH!), so it's all
relative. Just don't set up your workstation so that a librarian using the
computer faces the back of the desk!

Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"An Election is coming. Universal peace is declared, and the foxes have a
sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry."  George Eliot
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:56:35 EDT
From:         Lisa Moeckel <$L$LB4X%LUCCPUA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: reference standards
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In my posting yesterday, I mentioned that the interactions of co-workers
at the reference desk was to be the topic of our department meeting.
That discussion did take place, and I'd like to share a few ideas that
resulted.  Our discussion focused on the broad issue of teamwork in a
busy academic library's reference department.  We began our discussion
with an exchange of ideas about the mission of reference service in our
institution (we have no written mission statement), and then moved on
to a discussion of how, by focusing on that mission as a common goal,
we can overcome personal differences to create a stronger reference team
Words used repeatedly throughout included "respect," "communication,"
"learning," "teaching," and "awareness."  Perhaps some personality
types are not well suited for reference work, but the fact remains that
reference managers may have little control -- due to tenure, staffing
cutbacks, or other factors -- over who staffs the reference desk.
As a reference manager, it is my responsibility to make sure that my
department provides superior service.  If that means coaching staff     in ways
to give and accept constructive criticism, so be it.  Public service
environments can be extremely stressful, and even the most thoughtful
individuals can make hurtful comments without intending to be cruel. I  I
believe that it is in our patrons' best interest that we make every     fort to
effort to create and sustain positive and supportive working environmentts, and
Those who take the time to think and talk about the best ways to do     plish
this are ahead of the game, at least in my book.

Lisa Moeckel (Internet:  $L$LB4X@LUCCPUA.it.luc.edu)
Loyola University Chicago  (Bitnet:  $L$LB4X@LUCCPUA)
From: JNEELEY%UKANVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu (Jim Neeley)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.libref-l
Subject: Public Librarians
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:13:53 GMT
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There were 5 public libraries represented on Libref-L last time we
counted.  5 public libraries responded to a survey of all Library and
Information Science discussions that we did in April '92 (forthcoming
article)  Diane Editor-this-Week
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One reason we hear so little from public librarians may be that relatively
few public libraries have access to the Internet.  Does anyone know of any
data concerning this?

No discussion lists specifically for public librarians appear in the 2nd
(1992) ed. of Strangelove and Kovacs' Directory of Electronic Journals,
Newsletters and Academic Discussion Lists.  Does anyone know of any list
specifically for public librarians?

The RASD Access to Information Committee may take up the issue of public
library access to the Internet.  Any relevant information would be appre-
ciated.

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 Jim Neeley                        BITNET:  jneeley@UKANVM
 Head, Reference Department      Internet:  jneeley@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
 University of Kansas Libraries     phone:  (913) 864-3366
 Lawrence, KS  66045-2800             fax:  (913) 864-3855
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:30:47 EDT
From:         "Barbara Wittkopf, LSU" <NOTBJW%LSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Public Librarians???
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In regard to public/academic reference librarians being "the same:" the op-
portunities for the way they are able to "instruct" users is different, but
that can be discussed on the BI ListServ. Barbara Wittkopf.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:54:31 EDT
From:         Paula Mochida <paula%uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Responding to V. Rani Sinha
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At the University of Hawaii we are creating journal tables of contents
databases using the CARL system.  One that already exists is the
Hawaiian/Pacific UnCover Database available as menu item #44.  We have also
begun a tables of contents database for journals from and about Asia.  The
main criteria is that it have an English language table of contents. It may
also have one in the vernacular language and the articles may be entirely in
the vernacular.

The Pacific and Asia are our two major areas of focus and there has been such
a void of indexes available in those areas.  Gary Macmillian, Associate
University Librarian for our technical services (Processing Operations and
Automation) initiated and coordinates the inputting for the two databbases.
The Asia titles will eventually merge into the CARL UnCover database that
originates out of Denver.  The Hawaiian/Pacific database will remain a unique
database available only via UH.

Paula Mochida
Coordinator of Public Services
University of Hawaii at Manoa
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:07:54 EDT
From:         "(fac chris tomer)"
              <ct%lis.pitt.edu%lis.pitt.edu%vax.lis.pitt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Second faculty vacancy at Pittsburgh
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Please post.

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                       University of Pittsburgh
               School of Library and Information Science

                           Faculty Position


The Department of Library Science is seeking applicants for a tenure-track
teaching and research position at the assistant or associate professor
level.  We are looking for a faculty member who can teach and direct
doctoral research in a range of subjects and will complement and enhance
the programs and directions of the School in one or more of the following
areas:

           information resources and retrieval
           information policy
           organization of information
           management
           information technology
           communication
           archives and book arts

Minimum qualifications include an earned doctorate by starting date,
demonstrated experience or strong potential for excellence in teaching,
interest and competence in research and knowledge of professional
practice.  An MLS from an accredited library program is desirable and
interdisciplinarity will be an asset.

The University of Pittsburgh offers a high level of staff and
technological support for teaching and research, an atmosphere of
collegiality, and a multicultural and diversified faculty and student
body.  The School of Library and Information Science is one of the largest
in the country, offering opportunity and commitment to the creative use of
innovative technology.

Salary range $35,000 - $45,000, depending upon experience and
qualifications.  Preferred starting date is September, 1993.  Please send
resume and names of three references to Dr. Blanche Woolls, Chair, DLS
Faculty Search Committee, School of Library and Information Science,
University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA 15260 (412-624-3187; FAX
412-648-7001; Email Address-libsci@lis.pitt.edu).  Closing date for
applications is February 1, 1993.  Search will begin immediately and
continue until position is filled.

The School is particularly interested in applications from minority and
women candidates.  The University of Pittsburgh is an Equal
Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer.
From: sjt1%Ra.MsState.Edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu (Suzy Turner)
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Subject: Re: FURNITURE
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:10:02 GMT
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              "ninadm%Athena.MIT.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu" at Nov 10, 92 4:35 pm

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>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am looking into furniture for the reference/information desk at the
> MIT Humanities Library, and would love to hear from anyone with advice
> about what features to look for.  If you've recently bought new
> furniture, what works (or doesn't)?  Any opinions, facts, suggestions,
> etc. are most enthusiastically welcomed.
>
> Nina Davis-Millis
> Associate Humanities Librarian, MIT
> ninadm@athena.mit.edu
> (617) 253-9354
>

We, too, are thinking about furniture for our new addition with a brand new
reference department.  Our problem is that there are conflicting opinions about
 a reference desk.  Should it be desk height? Should it be counter height? We
wanted to have both incorporated in one horseshoe shaped desk with three
stations, one low for handicapped patrons or those who want to sit.  I would
like to hear from others on this problem.
sjt1@ra.msstate.edu
From: RJT%gml.lib.uwm.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu (R James Tobin)
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Subject: Re: UMI newspaper indexes
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:17:25 GMT
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Folks...try to extract just the first few lines or something.  Diane -Editor-Th
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> ----------------------------Original message------------------------
> > My school library is faced with the following dilemma.  We have
> had the UMI cdrom program that indexes the NY Times, CSM, and the
> Chicago Tribune--which is exactly what we want.  It matches our
> microfilm collection.  Now UMI is saying they can no longer offer
> that package.  They tell us we must buy the cdrom that indexes
> lots of newpapers, and we only have the three mentioned on
> microfilm.  The kids would be constantly asking for newspapers
> we don't have.  Does anyone know of another cdrom vendor that
> indexes these newspapers?
>
> Molly Warren(warren@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)

One of your options might be to get these three newspapers full-text
on CD-ROM and drop both the index and the microfilm.

Jim Tobin
Golda Meir Library
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
P.O. Box 604
Milwaukee, WI  53201
414-229-4659
RJT@GML.LIB.UWM.EDU
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Subject:      Re: reference standards
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>the situation where a coworker at the desk has given /is giving incorrect
>or incomplete information to a patron? How is the correct/complete information
>relayed to the patron without endangering the professional interaction between
>the patron and the staff member?
>
>"how can i avois embarassing the person i work with?
>one could merely chime in by politely
>offering advice to the errant staff member, e.g. "i couldn't help but overhear;
>you know, i think you'd find that information faster in chem abstracts, rather
>than in the world almanac" or "funny thing; i just read that in the guiness
>book of movie facts and feats."  i just started working in a main library
>after two years' worth of time in a fine arts library.  i know ZERO about
>sources of info for agricultural economics, and i'm happy to be corrected/
>completed.  and, i would imagine, so would ANYONE who's trying to LEARN
>something.  perhaps a busy reference desk is not the place for those whose
>egos tend to bruise easily.
>
>larry schwartz
>humanities librarian, north dakota state u
>"where one's opinions are one's own"
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From:         Doris.Mahony%um.cc.umich.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      reference standards
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When double staffing with peers or when training 'assistants' at the
reference desk we usually get around this by suggesting to the co-worker
that 'thus and such' might prove useful ALSO.  However, we usually try
to keep in the habit of asking our co-worker if they can think of
anything else that we have omitted or forgotten, and to train them to do
likewise.  This. of course, is not always possible when the desk is
rushed, or we are both off answering different questions.
We operate under the philosophy that nobody can  or should be expected
to be able to answer ALL questions, that we can and should take advantage
of the presence of a co-worker and we all learn a lot from each other both
by observation and cooperation on the tough ones.  Good luck.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:14:12 EDT
From:         NOTMUG%LSUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Full text source for NAFTA
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The NAFTA text is also available from Washington & Lee University.  You
can either use anonymous ftp or telnet.  The address is liberty.uc.wln.edu and
the files are in the pub/lawlib/nafta.draft directory.  The summary is in
the pub/lawlib directory.  If you telnet, login as lawlib.

Maria U. Garrido
Assistant Librarian - Electronic Services
Troy H. Middleton Library
Louisiana State Universityy
Baton Rouge, LA 70806
Phone: (504) 388-8264
BITNET: notmug@lsuvm
INTERNET: notmug@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu