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From: woodcock@crchh427.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gregg Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Reply-To: Gregg Woodcock <woodcock@bnr.ca>
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:55:21 GMT

In article <Bz7Fn4.7FH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:
|> (with call waiting canceled) so I could sleep, and to impersonate a
|> phone company rep during the day in the hope of tricking the prankster
|> into giving her number.
|> 
|> Since I sent that message, however, the prankster *did* hit again,
|> and she *gave her number*!  I didn't let on what I was doing, so I'm
|> fairly certain she didn't suspect anything.  (She even asked me, "Are
|> you sure that I won't be charged for operator assistance?" :-)
|> 
|> Now that I have the number, I'd like to take this just one step
|> further.  Does anyone know how I can get the name (and, perhaps, the

(Unfortunately?) this information is *easy* to obtain by going to your
local library and asking to see the criss-cross directories.  They are
the converse of the phone book and list all the people in the phone
book sorted by telephone number.  If you have filed a complaint with
either the police and/or the phone company, they would probably be
happy to provide you with the phone number (assuming they believe your
conclusion).  I would advise against contacting this person.  Since
you are positive that she is the one, wouldn't it be easier (I sure
know it would be safer) for you to turn her phone number over to the
proper authorities (the police and the phone company)?  They have
special people who get paid by *your taxes/phone bills* to handle
idiots like this.  I am sure this moron will take much more heed from
a call from the police or a note from the phone company threatening to
prosecute her or disconnect her phone than she will from a call from
you (after all; it is your attention that she wants in the first
place)!
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Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:31:04 GMT

In article <Bz7Fn4.7FH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:

> Since I sent that message, however, the prankster *did* hit again,
> and she *gave her number*!  I didn't let on what I was doing, so I'm
> fairly certain she didn't suspect anything.  (She even asked me, "Are
> you sure that I won't be charged for operator assistance?" :-)

CAUTION:  Are you *SURE* she gave you *HER* number.  It may be the
number of another victim.
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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:35:13 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# > of throwing a crank caller off is to forward all your calls to a
# > disconnected number at night.  
# 
# Various problems with this:  Not all phone switches (assuming he has
# call forwarding) will allow forwarding to disconnected or non-existent
# numbers.
{}
# And let's not hear any of the silly nonsense about forwarding to:
.
..


But, on the other hand...

A woman I knew had a squeeze whose mother had a major drinking
problem. If he spent the night, she'd call up in a drunken rage.

Solution? My friend would forward her calls to Dial-a-Prayer. 


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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 23:44:33 EST
From: BANNERJEE BEENA <J58QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Fortress Phone

     I was wondering are there any differences between a regular phone line and
a pay phone line besides that one is a pay phone loop. I mean in voltages and
current. I am asking this because I purchased a Fortress Phone from a junkyard
($50 bucks.) and I wanted to connect it up at home. I have tried a bit but When
I connect the ring and tip to a pair of pads which are marked R T I only
hear a dial tone with the off hook switch in the 3/4 position and like that I
hear a tone in the backround. This is a rotary phone. Any one that has every
connected up a pay phone I would like to speak to. Thanks.



                                                          Steve Littman
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: eo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ed Oliveri)
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: ny
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:48:16 GMT

Call the New York Telephone "Annoyance Call Bureau," 890-6200.

-- 
Ed Oliveri, eo@cbnewsb.att.com     OR     att!cbnewsb!eo
From: jmb8302@cs.tamu.edu (Jeff M Bilger)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:58:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu

Get CALL FOREWARDING and foreward all your calls to 911. :)

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From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:17:08 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <1gejenINN37@tamsun.tamu.edu> jmb8302@cs.tamu.edu (Jeff M Bilger) writes:
> Get CALL FOREWARDING and foreward all your calls to 911. :)

Don't even joke about this--there is bound to be few people on the 911
end with any kind of sense of humor.

-john-

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Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: denbeste@enigma.bgsu.edu (William C DenBesten)
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Originator: denbeste@enigma
Reply-To: denbeste@enigma.bgsu.edu
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:23:43 GMT

zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:
> ... The way that I chose to deal
> with the crank caller is to take the phone off the hook at night
> (with call waiting canceled) so I could sleep....

The phone company doesn't like phones to be left off of the hook as it ties
up their equipment.  They prefer that you instead turn off the ringers or 
unplug your phones.

Panasonic and AT&T both make all electronic answering machines.  If you want
others to be able to leave messages while you are ignoring the phone, both
of these operate silently.
-- 
William C. DenBesten is denbeste@bgsu.edu or denbesten@bgsuopie.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette)
Subject: Re: Fortress Phone
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:18:58 GMT

In article <92351.234433J58QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> BANNERJEE BEENA <J58QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>     I was wondering are there any differences between a regular phone line and
>a pay phone line besides that one is a pay phone loop. I mean in voltages and
>current. I am asking this because I purchased a Fortress Phone from a junkyard
>($50 bucks.) and I wanted to connect it up at home. I have tried a bit but When
>I connect the ring and tip to a pair of pads which are marked R T I only
>hear a dial tone with the off hook switch in the 3/4 position and like that I
>hear a tone in the backround. This is a rotary phone. Any one that has every
>connected up a pay phone I would like to speak to. Thanks.

Aside from the coin collection signalling, payphone lines are electrically
the same as regular ones.  At least my experience has been that connecting
regular phones to a pay phone line works just fine.  You can call 800 numbers
using the regular phone, and bill other calls collect or with a calling card.
Incoming calls cause the regular phone to ring as normal on the pay phone
line.  

Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: jeffj@krfiny.uucp (J. Jonas)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Summary: there are simple reasons too
Organization: Jeff's house of computer pieces
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:43:22 GMT

A few quick replies to this thread about crank calls

1) Where are you listed in the phone book?
I got a few crank calls when my name was in the upper corner.

2) does your phone number form a pattern when dialed from a touch tone
phone, such as all corners, a row or column?

3) Putting a modem on the line doesn't seem to work.
People keep calling my modem line.
Since the modem is normally on autoanswer on the first ring,
I can't pick up the phone in time to tell the dopes to stop.
Some dating service was giving my modem number as some gal's number.
Imagine - guys calling my modem for a date!
But that's misdirected calls, not crank calls.
-- 
Jeffrey Jonas

jeffj@panix.com
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:09:00 GMT

zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:

>Now that I have the number, I'd like to take this just one step
>further.  Does anyone know how I can get the name (and, perhaps, the
>address) of this idiot from her phone number?  I have no intention
>of writing to her or paying a visit, but the next time she calls, I'd
>like to be able to tell her, "No, Miss So-and-so, your friend doesn't
>live here, but as you can see I know who you are, your best bet at
>this point is to leave me alone."  (Or something a little less polite;
>you get the idea.)

In our area there is a cross reference published by Bressers. I don't know
about other areas you might try the public library.

--
dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: bcapps@atlastele.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.232540.10505@news.cs.indiana.edu> <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <92342.170758JDG111@psuvm.psu.edu> <JDG111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>How to beat crank calls...  Hmmm...
>>
>>If you are lucky enough to have call forwarding on your line, one simple way
>>of throwing a crank caller off is to forward all your calls to a
>>disconnected number at night.  Then, when the caller buzzes youthe next
>>
>
>What about forward it to a (900) number, will the caller responsible for the
>charge, or the forwarder?

The forwarding party.

On a tangent: this is one way of fooling ANI.  Because ANI always identifies
the billed party (that's what it's there for), bouncing your call off a
forwarded number will result in the called party identifying the forwarder,
not you.


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From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Anyone have a creative way of dealing with crank calls?
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:17:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dcom.telecom
Organization: UB

In a previous message, john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) says:

>In <1gejenINN37@tamsun.tamu.edu> jmb8302@cs.tamu.edu (Jeff M Bilger) writes:
>> Get CALL FOREWARDING and foreward all your calls to 911. :)
>
>Don't even joke about this--there is bound to be few people on the 911
>end with any kind of sense of humor.

Humor or lack of it notwithstanding, as Pat noted it's impossible to
forward to any x11 number in most areas with call forwarding.

 -- Dave
From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:45:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dcom.telecom
Organization: UB

>(Unfortunately?) this information is *easy* to obtain by going to your
>local library and asking to see the criss-cross directories.  They are
>the converse of the phone book and list all the people in the phone
>book sorted by telephone number.

Which is what I just did; now I have the number.  I love criss-cross
directories. :-)

>If you have filed a complaint with
>either the police and/or the phone company, they would probably be
>happy to provide you with the phone number (assuming they believe your
>conclusion).

No need to do that now...

>I would advise against contacting this person.  Since
>you are positive that she is the one, wouldn't it be easier (I sure
>know it would be safer) for you to turn her phone number over to the
>proper authorities (the police and the phone company)?  They have
>special people who get paid by *your taxes/phone bills* to handle
>idiots like this.  I am sure this moron will take much more heed from
>a call from the police or a note from the phone company threatening to
>prosecute her or disconnect her phone than she will from a call from
>you (after all; it is your attention that she wants in the first
>place)!

I'm not going to *call* her; I'd have to be stark raving nuts to do
that.  (Not that I'm not a little crazy anyway. :-)  But when/if she
calls back, I plan to say "No, Ms. <so-and-so>, your friend isn't
here, and if you call here again I'll give your name to the police
and let them handle this."  While New York Tel probably won't believe
me (after all, this is the company that, for three months, was convinced
that my name was Theresa Shapiro), I'd bet the police would if I gave
them the information.

 -- Dave
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: international telephone numbers
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:55:51 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Nov29.204358.2739@adobe.com>, yost@adobe.com (David Yost) writes:
> In article <1992Nov29.111245.16642@lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de> mhanft@lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Matthias Hanft) writes> 

>>(Perhaps not for Austria: From there, you have to dial "060"
>>to reach Germany, but "00" and the international country code
>>to reach other foreign countries.
> 
> I was under the impression that cases like this were just extra
> added convenience shortcuts, but that the standard access also
> works.  So in this example, is it not true that you can also
> reach Germany with the usual international calling codes, 00 49?
> I sure hope so.
> 
>  --dave
The use of seperate dialing codes for internatioal dialling to certain
countries is not uncommon in Europe. I think I am right to say that they exist
as a remnant of pre-WW2 and WW1 national boundries.

This was the case in Ireland until last year.
The dialling code for Britain was 03 + UK No., 
  i.e. 03-(71)-8889999
but 16 + int. dialling code + cust. No. for the rest of the world
  i.e. 16-1-(603)-888999

An additional anomoly was the dialling of a Dublin No. from the UK.
Dublin was "the second Capital of the british empire" in the past and was duly
given the STD code of 0001, (London being 01). This scheme remained with us
until 2 years ago, even though we left that arrangement 70 years ago.

Back to the point: the use of 00 as an international standardisation of the
international dialing access code is most likely to happen, as it is a 
recommendation (regulation?) in the EC.
They are also trying to standardise the emergeny services No. to something
other than 999, which, IMHO, is the most practical.

Ciaran Ruane

Mountaineering Club.
University College, Dublin.		Internet: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
IRELAND.
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From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:38:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dcom.telecom
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


>The phone company doesn't like phones to be left off of the hook as it ties
>up their equipment.  They prefer that you instead turn off the ringers or 
>unplug your phones.

New York Telephone doesn't seem to like much of anything these days
except for money.  But in fact, one of NYTel's reps *suggested* that I
leave the phone off the hook.

>Panasonic and AT&T both make all electronic answering machines.  If you want
>others to be able to leave messages while you are ignoring the phone, both
>of these operate silently.

They're also expensive compared to the regular models; and I'm not
going to junk the answering machine I have until the day that it's
broken and it's more expensive to repair it than to buy a new one.

 -- Dave
From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Crank caller problem -- Update (need CN/A number)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:42:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dcom.telecom
Organization: UB

As I said in a message that I sent to the TELECOM Digest (though I'm
not sure if Pat is going to post it), the way that I chose to deal
with the crank caller is to take the phone off the hook at night
(with call waiting canceled) so I could sleep, and to impersonate a
phone company rep during the day in the hope of tricking the prankster
into giving her number.

Since I sent that message, however, the prankster *did* hit again,
and she *gave her number*!  I didn't let on what I was doing, so I'm
fairly certain she didn't suspect anything.  (She even asked me, "Are
you sure that I won't be charged for operator assistance?" :-)

Now that I have the number, I'd like to take this just one step
further.  Does anyone know how I can get the name (and, perhaps, the
address) of this idiot from her phone number?  I have no intention
of writing to her or paying a visit, but the next time she calls, I'd
like to be able to tell her, "No, Miss So-and-so, your friend doesn't
live here, but as you can see I know who you are, your best bet at
this point is to leave me alone."  (Or something a little less polite;
you get the idea.)

So: does anyone know a CN/A number for the 716 area code (New York
Telephone portion, not the Rochester Telephone area) that is usable
by people who aren't telco employees?  As an alternative, what other
ways are there to get a name (with or without an address) from a
phone number?  I know about the phone directory on CompuServe, but I'm
not a CIS subscriber and I don't plan to become one just to use the
phone directory.

Thanks again, 
 -- Dave

P.S. Many thanks for all of the suggestions.  Once exams are finished,
I'll post a summary of the responses.  (Keep 'em coming; you might be
able to help someone else. :-)
From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Immoderation
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:28:57 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan CITI
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: dabo.citi.umich.edu

I wouldn't mind PAT's editorial comments so much if he'd do a better job of
moderating.  Why were there five separate messages about Iridium in the last
digest, all saying the same thing?

No, I'm not offering to take on the job myself.
From: rgn7128@zeus.tamu.edu (NEDERHORST, ROBERT GEORGE)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc
Subject: 3-d Glasses
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:11 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I am looking for some SEGA 3-D glasses.  If anybody could give me a line on a 
pair I wouyld appreciate it.

Robert  rgn7128@zeus.tamu.edu

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From: grey@bnr.ca (Grey)
Subject: Re: Raytracing in VR
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:07:16 GMT

John F. Whitehead [JFW] writes:

[JFW] Where can one find Castle Wolfenstein 3D?  What platforms does it run on?
[JFW] 
[JFW] I used to play the Apple ][ version and would like to see this one.

The demo for this game was released to the public domain (executable only,
of course!) for Amiga and PC systems. The demo consists of the first complete
level of the game. Search for wolf3d using archie, or check your basic PC
archives like wuarchive. 

The 'digitized' German in Castle Wolfenstein on the Apple ][ just killed me.
Halt, Sweinhunt! :)
 
[JFW] [p.s. -- mail to grey@bnr.ca doesn't work -- I get an "unknown local user" 
[JFW]        message from postmast@bnr.ca]
 
That'd be because because I'm on a secure net. Sorry.
Why have secure email and still have USENET? There's more exposure in private
than public sendings....

Obligatory VR Stuff:

I'd recommend to anyone looking for a good graphics library the SIP rendering
package. Last I checked, you could obtain the source from isy.liu.se in
/pub/sip. It's highly portable across platforms (so far I've had it going on
SGI, NeXT, DEC, and HP), the code is fairly readable, the library is
incredibly flexible, handles mulitple light sources, texture mapping,
built-in models for Gouraud and Phong shading, and much much more. Renders
to PPM (portable pixmap) so you can get it going on pretty much anything,
including a PC.

(Incidentally, Dale, that security issue means I can't email you about my
platform and peripherals - quick summary, sorry about the bandwidth:

Graphics:
platform independent s/w based with built-in scaling and quantization

Interface:
multiple-user, handles requests sequentially, packet-based

Model:
mass/force model with strictly triangular mesh of connected springs, objects
can be deformed by subdivision of triangular planes, objects can be split
by re-triangulating over new surfaces

Language:
C++, with _no_ graphical write calls, only the driver which writes pixmaps is
machine dependent)

Grey
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