From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? How much bandwidth do we have?
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:04:18 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <9223901.1740@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU
(JJ Glamma) writes:
|>v129j6ed@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
|>
|>>What about the first film? The Alien there killed people, and with the
|>>exception of the eggs in the ship, it did not try at all to use people
|>>as cocoons. This may have something to do with having a Queen Alien
|>>being in the area.  I liked Alien 3, and it was not as good as the first
|>>2 plotwise, but in a techincal standpoint, I enjoyed it very much.
|>
|>Footage cut from the final cut of the film showed Brett and Dallas cocooned.
|>Brett had mutated into an egg, and Dallas had either been impregnated by said
|>egg or was turning into an egg himself. I understand that this footage may be
|>restored in a new release of the laserdisc later this year.
|>
|>Even if you don't accept that, it is clearly stated in the film that
the alien
|>does not draw blood when it captures/kills. In 3, the warder is definitely
|>bleeding.. I remember because the "mopping up" scene was about the
only scene I
|>liked. (I have a very sick sense of humour.)
|>

   If you mean stated in "Alien", you are wrong. It is not. And when
Parker and Lambert are attacked, the Alien kills them there IS NO DOUBT
about this - we see the Alien's inner mouth piercing Parker's thoat.
   If you mean in "Aliens" then only Ripley says "They don't kill you"
and "Right now they're being cocooned". I have already suggested that
this is a "plot hole" in Aliens as there is NO WAY Ripley could know
that they don't kill their victims. Based on what she has experienced,
she would have thought that victims of the Aliens would be very very
dead very very quickly. Think about it: the entire crew of the Nostromo
(cut sequences DO NOT count), the entire colony population minus 2 the
entire Marine team that go in and don't come out, minus 2. Why should
Ripley think Alien victims are not killed? This is a plot hole in ALIENS.

   I liked the gnawing in "Alien 3". The Alien came from a dog, not a
human: it looked more canine than humanoid, it attacked more canine than
humanoid - I have no problem with that. It even has a sense of smell
like a dog (in first scene it encounters Ripley it is definately
sniffing at her and then leaves her alone [smells the queen??]). Maybe
it has more of a canine intelligence than a human one and hasn't figured
anything else to do with its victims except eat them. I have no problem
with that.
   Incidently, isn't the mopping up needed cause the guy fell into a
fan??                        
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