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From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: more thoughts on TA1 (possible spoilers!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


possible spoilers for Time's Arrow pt. 1 (TA1), so:
 
hey there, i've only recently begun to read the .misc section of the r.a.s. 
hierarchy, but i know that TA1 was hashed to death and beyond on the .current 
section. but last night while i was about to fall asleep -- you know, that 
state when everything seems so obvious and when you wake up the next morning 
you often can't remember it -- i was thinking of a story someone told me about 
in high school. i never read it, but a friend did; if anybody knows who wrote 
it and its title, i'd be much obliged, BTW. it's about a peaceful utopia, and a 
bunch of people travel back to the prehistoric past, and are told whatever 
they do, they must not step off of the ship they are on. well, someone does, 
and steps on a butterfly. when they return to their own time, it is no longer 
a utopian society, but a dictatorship. history was changed because of the 
death of the butterfly. (hey, my memory isn't perfect.)

what does this have to do with TA, you ask? well as far as i can tell, this 
episode is the first TNG ep to involve real time travel, going back in history.
Time loops, time bubbles and even Yesterday's Enterprise can be discounted 
because everything was restored to its "original" form in the end. i mean going 
back into the past and trying to correct something that might already be 
"right."  (sorry, just read _Imzadi_) (and please don't write and tell me, 
"oh, but in so-and-so episode they went into the past...")

i wonder, does the history of the enterprise as we know it contingent on the 
aliens messing up with 19th century san fran? what i'm saying is, if the crew 
of the enterprise stop the aliens from succeeding, will it alter the reality 
of TNG as we know it? will the away team come back to find BIG BIG changes?

what i'm saying here is there is a big opportunity for change that can be 
easily justified (alternate time line stuff). for instance, maybe if the 
aliens are stopped from succeeding, and therefore the past is changed:

	-maybe data will have "normal" skin colour (less makeup)
	-jack crusher never died
	-picard will come back to a wife and kids ???
	-maybe worf will be half-klingon or even just an aggressive human 
	raised by klingons (reversal of his "real" history (less makeup))
	-no wesley exists??? :)

sorry for rambling, this is a mind who has been at work all day and thinking 
about this WAY TOO MUCH.... 

does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

  +                                  +                                       +
   sandra guzdek + username: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + til 28 Aug 1992 
       6037 Devlin Avenue + Niagara Falls, NY + 14304 + after 28 Aug 1992 
    "Higher emotions are what separate us from the lower orders of life... 
                  Higher emotions, and table manners."
                       --- Deanna Troi, _Imzadi_
From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: FYI: Leonard Nimoy to appear in southeast cons
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:50:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

FYI:

I just got two flyers for VULKON '92 and apparently Leonard Nimoy is going
to be making his first appearances in Georgia and Florida:

	Sept 25-27, 1992	The Hyatt Atlanta Airport Hotel
				College Park, GA

	Nov 6-8, 1992		Hilton & Towers Hotel
				St. Petersburg, FL

E-mail for specific info or write: 

	Vulkon
	C/O Joe Motes
	12237 Southwest 50th Street
	Cooper City, FL 33330

BTW, I'm not affiliated with these guys at all - just a satisfied attendee
of their last con with Patrick Stewart.

SPO

-- 
Sean P. Ormond
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: gt7994a@prism.gatech.edu
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Hallmark 1991 Enterprise Ornament
Keywords: It's a joke, I say, joke, son...
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:41:18 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 gbq1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Gene B. Quinn) writes:
>First of all, don't get too excited, I have an extra one but am probably
>unwilling to sell it. 

>	The ornament is in excellent condition.  The only time it was ever taken
>out of the box was to test it to see that it was in perfect working order.
>Never hung on the tree, and has been carefully packed away since I got it.

	I can see why you would never sell it...NOT! ;) 

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
From: pjb@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Paul Bolle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Klingon & Vulcan dictionaries
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:00:45 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick) writes:

- The title line says pretty much all save that I am looking for them
- in electronic (pref. ascii) form.
- Thanks!
- 
- --
- ###########################################################################
- ### Jim Hendrick (hendrick@ctron.com)   ###                             ###
- ### Cabletron Systems Inc.		###   " My opinions, etc are    ###
- ### P. O. Box 5005			### exclusively the property	###
- ### Rochester, NH 03867-5005		### of nobody in particular."	###
- ### (603) 332-9400 x1457		###                             ###
- ###########################################################################

        I'd appreciate a copy(-ies) if you get them.
Thanx.

Paul Bolle              pjb@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Subject: Question : Manhunt
Reply-To: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:38:24 GMT

While watching a rerun of Manhunt, my roommate and I got into an argument
about who plays Dianna's mother's manservant, Mr. Homm (sp?).  I can't
find my listing of trek episodes, so, anyone want to help us out?

Please e-mail responses (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu).  Thanks.

			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)
From: DSKL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Excelsior
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:13:37 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


Can anyone tell me what the crew compliment of the U.S.S. Excelsior is?


Thanks,
Dave Steele
DSKL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dzembj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Jason Eric Dzembo)
Subject: Re: Denise Crosby (still a legend)
Reply-To: dzembj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:58:34 GMT

Unread news in rec.arts.comics.marketplace                51 articles +   89 oldIn article <ZRo0oB1w164w@prag>, su@prag (Sean D. Ackley) writes:
|> 
|> If anyone saw "Red Shoe Diaries" on Showtime Saturday night you
|> certainly were in for a big surprise!  I was just flipping channels
|> and caught a glimpse of....  Denise Crosby.
|> 
|> Most definately a sexy role she played!
|> 
|> For those of us fans who still hold respect for her, it might be good
|> to take a look at this episode. (Show time will probably air it again.)
|> 
|> sean.


Showtime apparently is airing it again on August 18, though I forget the 
time.  11 or 11:30 I believe.  Sadly, I don't get Showtime.  :-(  Don't
suppose anyone would be willing to record it for me in exchange for a small
fee??  Granted it seems a bit of a waste to use a whole tape just to record
a half hour program, but it doesn't hurt to ask....:-)

						- Jason
						"I've gotaa get one of those
						.sigs...."
From: millard@acsu.buffalo.edu (Peter G. Millard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Michael Dorn
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:56:46 GMT
Organization: UB

jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeffrey Verhoef) writes:

>I think Gates McFadden also had a very short scene as Jack Ryan's wife in 
>"Hunt for Red October."
>--
>    ////\\\\     Jeff Verhoef                 -----"KHAN!!!"  (echo echo echo)
>   ////  \\\\    Calvin College                    "KHAN!!!"  (echo echo echo)
>  ////    \\\\   Grand Rapids, MI  49546  USA                --Kirk, STII

I thought that was her...but never looked at the credits to find out for
sure.

Is this a fact? (I suppose I could dig up my tape of Hunt for Red October
& find out myself :)
-- 
******************************************************************************
	Peter G. Millard  *  INTERNET: v057n5um@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu           
 	SUNY @ Buffalo    *          : millard@acsu.buffalo.edu
*****************************************************************************
From: jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek book wanted
Summary: "Devil World", by Gordon Eklund
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:35:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Aug23.143532.20592
Organization: The Ohio State University

Fellow Trekk___   (fill in the blank :)

  As indicated in the subject line, I am looking for this 1970's vintage Bantam
Star Trek novel.  It's the only Trek novel I don't have, and 8 years of
regularly hitting the used bookstores in Bloomington, In. and Columbus, Oh.
have turned up nothing!  Surely there must be some of you out there that have
this book but would part with it for a reasonable price.  While obviously I'd
like one in decent condition (like having a cover), my primary interest is 
simply in having the book to complete my collection.  So, if you've got one you
would be willing to sell, please e-mail me and we can work out the details.  
Thanks in advance,

Jon Comer
jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Is La Forge Black? (was Startrek as American Imperialist)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:11:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.150236.3275@usace.mil> pace@usace.mil (Joe Pace) writes:
>Just a question:  I've always been rather confused why we refer
>to black people in our country as African Americans.

	I dunno. Probably because that's what they want to be refered as.

	(THe clue-deficient may want to take a hint.....)



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.r.wells)
Subject: Re: Enterprises of Naval History
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:37:09 GMT


The last British Enterprise I can recall was the light cruiser, built after
World War I. She served in World War II, without particular distinction.
(unlike the legendary American Enterprise, CV-6, arguably the most successful
warship in history)


				David R. Wells

DISCLAIMER: The preceeding article contains no AT&T proprietary information.
The opinions expressed in this article are not necessarily those of AT&T,
Bell Laboratories, any of its subsidiaries, or other lackeys, not those of 
the Imperial Navy, the Capri Club of Chicago, or even of me. So there.
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: William Shatner on Saturday Night Live ( was Anti-Anti-ST:TNG Sentiment. )
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:31:19 GMT

> From article <1992Aug12.225229.16900@news2.cis.umn.edu>, by  
crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)):
> > 
> > Remember when William Shatner hosted Saturday Night Live, and in one of the
> > skits he was appearing at a Star Trek convention.  Well, like he said then,
> > "Get a life!"

I agree with you 100%.  For those who know the combination of the safe on
the episode ..., "Get a life."  There's better things to do than memorize
insignificant details such as these.  However, I enjoy Star Trek, TOS and
TNG.  It is an interesting show which does bring up many topics of 
discussion, unlike other shows.  I enjoy discussing in these Star Trek
newsgroups such things as time travel, warp speed, etc.  I don't 
necessarily bring up the Star Trek aspects of it, but I bring up the
physical aspects of it, and the philosophical aspects of it.  The time
travel scenarios are great topics for philosophical discussion.  Could
it really happen?  How could it work?  etc.
Thus, I am not a true Trekkie, but I do enjoy the show.  So, for Trekkies,
don't be so hard on anti-Trekkies.  And for anti-Trekkies, don't be so
hard on Trekkies, because they may in fact "have a life."

--
I was contemplating Socrates' immortal words: "I drank what?"

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bagneltw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Trevor W Bagnell)
Subject: Different Species in TREKland!!
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:53:35 GMT



Hi all!!

I was wondering if any1 has a list of all the different species listed during the 5 seasons of TNG and the 3 seasons of TOS.

 Hell, just post all the ones you can think of here on r.a.s

 Should be quite the interesting lost....:-)

 -mike
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Source of STTNG GIFs
Summary: I cannae find the GIFs
Keywords: GIFs, where are they?
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:52:11 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

Help!

A few months ago, I grabbed some STTNG GIFs from an FTP site, and I now find
that one of them (ONE!) is corrupt. Could anyone out there please remind me
what this site is?  This site has loads of numbered STTNG GIFs, up to about 
460, most of very good quality.

Someone out there must know, please! email, post, carrier pigeon, or telepathy
accepted. Ta muchly.

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY  ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
  "Mr. Data, what are all these GIF files doing on the computer?"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bradleyt@caesar.ucs.indiana.edu (T.C. Bradley)
Subject: Re: Old Model Kit from hell
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.235231.1@sask.usask.ca> borys@sask.usask.ca writes:
>A note to all you die hard trek model builders:   If you remember
>way way way back when ERTL/AMT first released the big E model
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>(Enterprise class; ie the one from ST:The Motion Picture)
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is way way way back, is it?  I remember when AMT put out the
original Big E kit, from the original series.  I still have the model
somewhere in my parents' house, assuming it hasn't been tossed :(.

T.C.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		T.C. Bradley,  Network Operations Center
	   University Computing Services, Indiana University
bradleyt@caesar.ucs.indiana.edu  => I don't need a life.  I have Star Trek. <=
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: pace@usace.mil (Joe Pace)
Subject: Re: Is La Forge Black? (was Startrek as American Imperialist)
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers, Sacramento District
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:02:36 GMT

>	But in a series where other characters are allowed to be proud
>	and vocal about their origins -- O'Brien is happy to be Irish,
>	Picard delights in all things Gallic -- Geordi comes across as
>	a curiously blank cipher.
>
>	Apparently, TPTB would rather err on the side of the politically
>	correct than allow a character to show pride in a African/American
>	heritage.  And that's a damn shame.

Mabee his character just doesn't have the desire to be this way, or
he just doesn't think too much about it.  It is the 24th Century.
I know people whose families came from Yugoslavia, for example,
but they never mention it.  

Just a question:  I've always been rather confused why we refer
to black people in our country as African Americans.  Africa is a very
large continent.  It would be like calling someone Belgian an European
American.  If someone's heritage originates from Africa, why
don't we use more descriptive terms, such as Ugandan or Kenyan, etc.
It seems a shame to me to lump people under one continent because of
their skin color.  Just an idea, but mabee Geordi isn't an African
American.  Is Guinan?

Joe
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From: schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: SEX ON THE HOLODECK (was: DS9!!  UGH!!)
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:18:13 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <BtB0ux.Equ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>>>>I applaud the producers for taking the risk of throwing in a whorehouse,
>>>>I think it's a realistic use of the holodeck technology and I can't
>>>>believe that people aren't abusing holodecks in this way all the time. 
>
>     _Abusing_?!  Why is it an abuse??
>
>>>Ah, but I think they are. Remember the episode with the Metamorph? AFter
>>>she was done making Riker's blood boil after he shows her to her cabin, 
>>>Riker tells the bridge, "If you need me, I'll be in Holodeck 9.''
>
>>>Just what do you think he was going to do in the holodeck???? :-)
>
>     This is true, but a more telling example came from "Sarek"
>     in the third season.  Wesley and Geordi are working on the
>     swamp the Legaran abmassador is going to sit in when he
>     beams up.  Wesley is itching to go because he has a date
>     with a cute Engineering ensign.  
>
>     Geordi snaps, "What's your hurry?  You don't honestly think anything
>     is going to happen with Suzanne DuMont, do you?"
>
>     Wesley returns, "Well at least some of us aren't spending the
>     night with a good book."
>
>     Geordi: "Let me tell you something, you'd get more action out of
>     a good book than you EVER will out of Suzanne DuMont, and that's
>     a promise."
>
>     Wesley: "Yeah well, at least I don't find my women on the holodeck!"
>
>     Geordi (deadly): WHAT DID YOU SAY?
>
>       This is the point where Riker breaks it up.

Yes, indeed. But Wesley was refering to Geordi's romance in holodeck with
Dr. Leah Brahms, in "Boobytrap".

And in the first episode with Lt Barclay (title?), Geordi said something like
"I fell once in love in there. But I stopped in time."

I still think he was refering to Dr. Brahms.

So IMHO, it's not a good example. Geordi was not looking for sex,
he was trying to get the Enterprise out of the booby trap...


-- 
Sylvain Chamberland     |   "Trust is earned, not given away!"
University of Waterloo  |          - Worf, Star Trek The Next Generation
Waterloo, Ontario.      |
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:48:38 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ST-TOS 25th Anniv. Game

umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:

>Type 'a'.  Don't you have the manuals?

>PIRATES!!!

     Well, I just went through my manual and couldn't find it. I think it's
sort of a hidden feature. Don't be so quick to accuse! :-)

                                                 -Robb Timlin
                                                  rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:18:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

I've moved this to r.a.s.misc from .current.

danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught) writes:

>I may be opening an old can of worms here, so if you don't want to rehash
>an old discussion, then don't followup.  But since I don't specifically
>remember reading this discussion, I'll bring it up.

It's come up occasionally, though not recently.  Go right ahead.

>Here goes.  There is no question in my mind that Data is sentient.
>Even so, I would not give him the rights that he has been granted
>on the show.  Why would we build robots/androids just to set them
>loose in society?

On the other side of the coin, if the android you make *is* sentient, what
right have you to dictate how its existence in society works?  What is sepa-
rating a sentient android from any other sentient creature apart from the
physicalities of the situation?

>Computer systems are emerging that can be considered sentient.  

Not ruddy likely.   Not now.  And *certainly* not on Data's level.  Unless
you're aware of some major recent advances, I think we're using different 
definitions.

>And I wouldn't dream of giving them the same rights enjoyed by humans.

Current computers?  Nor would I; among other things, they wouldn't *understand*
them.  That's my main criterion; if a creature is advanced enough to understand
and desire a right, I see no reason why they should a priori be denied it.

What is it about Data that makes you suggest he should not be given equal
rights?

>So as I see it, sentience is not a sufficient prerequisite to receiving
>the rights of humans^H^H^H^H^H^H intelligent living beings.

Two questions, then:

1)  How are you defining sentience?

2)  What other prerequisites are you requiring, and why?

Tim Lynch
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: McCoy on Eaf solved
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:38:35 GMT

O.K., perhaps this may end the dispute as to whether or not it was McCoy
in the episode Encounter at Farpoint or if it was someone else who had
an incredible likeness to the doctor:
look at the credits!
If the creators wanted DeForest Kelley to protray Dr. McCoy, then the
credits would reveal this.  However, if it just states special appearance
by DeForest Kelley, well....

--
I was contemplating Socrates' iommortal words: "I drank what?"

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: efisch@cs.utexas.edu (Eric A. Fisch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Multiple Alexander actors
Date: 13 Aug 1992 10:17:26 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

I have been silently foloowing along and am well aware of the
hatred towards Worf's son, Alexander. Recently looking through the
Programming guide I noticed that the first appearance of the character
was not played by Brian Bonsall. I am now interested in wether peoples
animosity towards Alexander is directed at Brian Bonsall's acting
ability, how the writers use him or both. I do not remeber if the
first Alexander, Jon Steuer, was any better than Bonsall or not. Does
anyone remember and care to comment??


Eric Fisch
efisch@cs.utexas.edu