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From: mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Final presidential vote tally?
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:52:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Does anyone have the final nationwide presidential vote
tally, including Marrou, and preferably all minor
candidates? Post or email. Thanks.

-- 
Mike Linksvayer   m-linksvayer@uiuc.edu   +1 217 344 1326
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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,tx.politics,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Date: 2 Jan 93 12:49:29 CDT
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Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <C07GwA.GA5@well.sf.ca.us>, dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:
> But a budget is a gestalt.  Suppose the constitution requires a balanced
> budget, and the legislature passes hundreds of spending bills that add up to
> more than the revenue.  Which bill do the courts declare invalid?  All of
> them?  The last one passed?  The last one signed?

	The budget is a breakdown of little pidgeon holes of where the
money should be spent.  If the bill take more out of the particular
hole than is there, it would be unconstitutional.  Congress would then
have to take budget from somewhere else first.  This is typical in what
companies do with their budgets.  I'm sure there would be a general fund
running around somewhere just for such overruns...

	And having an overrun is not a bad thing, it happens.  Just require
that the money be there up front to cover it!

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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:43:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.235918.4383@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
>
>We could push for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting this "bundling".
>Then the President wouldn't "need" a line item veto...  [BTW, I believe
>Michigan has such a clause in their Consititution, restricting a bill to
>one subject]

But a budget is a gestalt.  Suppose the constitution requires a balanced
budget, and the legislature passes hundreds of spending bills that add up to
more than the revenue.  Which bill do the courts declare invalid?  All of
them?  The last one passed?  The last one signed?

-- 
Anton Sherwood                                       dasher@well.sf.ca.us
+1 415 267 0685              1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
"We all hate poverty, war and injustice, unlike the rest of you squares."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,tx.politics,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:55:00 GMT
 <1992Dec13.070641.9436@anasazi.com> <BzBrC4.L0x@NeoSoft.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <BzBrC4.L0x@NeoSoft.com>, Joe Mullally writes:

> 
> 	Do you think a single example, displayed on TV to the voters
> by Bush, might have done him some good?  I do. So, why didn't he?
> I think he underestimated the voter, or just didn't think we could 
> comprehend the issues. In any case, he clearly had the power to do
> something other than "sign and whine". He chose none of those options.

Bush could have done many things to win.  He didn't.  He lost.

The entire Clinton campaign was based on the assumption that the voters are
stupid, ignorant, and have a memory which fades after a day or two.  He got
4 votes out of 10 and won (with a very willing and cooperative news media's
help.)


                                                Jim Pritchett


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Subject: Re: Argument for broadening the veto power (Re: Who's weakening the constitution?)
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:28:58 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

it comes down to this: as long as people want pork the people are going
to get pork, line item veto or no. if you don't want it then it's time
to elect congresscritters who will work against pork in the first place
instead of putting all the responsibility on the president to curb the
slop going into our troughs. so far, the voters haven't done that and
we're getting what we deserve.

jason

"Head like a hole, black as your soul
 I'd rather die than give you control
 Bow down before the ones you serve
 You're going to get what you deserve
 You know who you are"

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: President and superman
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.060911.24217@midway.uchicago.edu> hsue@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Hi, everyone
>
>Greeting!
>I wonder if there is any theory or anyone that advocate such an idea that to be 
   [poorly wrapped hidden agenda deleted...]

>Why people do not question about candidates' educational background first?
>
>
   Despite what *should* be (the Central Committe of the Communist
   Party *should* be composed of selfless human beings; the upper
   hierarchy of any given religious body *should* be composed of
   the most pious; the Secretary-General of the UN *should* be Above
   All Temptations) thePresident of the US has never been elected 
   because of his educational background.  

   Lately it's been television persona.

   We seem to be getting along ok, how about you?

   Wayne

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,tx.politics,misc.legal
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:49:08 GMT

In <1993Jan2.042405.14887@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

>In article <Ax3es*6v1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>>
>>Bush could have done many things to win.  He didn't.  He lost.
>>
>>The entire Clinton campaign was based on the assumption that the voters are
>>stupid, ignorant, and have a memory which fades after a day or two.

>This distinguishes it from the Bush campaign, which was forward-looking,
>intellectual, principled, and appealing to the best in the American
>character.

Careful, Mike.  There are probably some people around here who don't
understand sarcasm without a dozen smilies appended to it; they're
going to thing you're SERIOUS in making that statement.

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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Argument for broadening the veto power (Re: Who's weakening the constitution?)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:45:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.222859.604@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>it comes down to this: as long as people want pork the people are going
>to get pork, line item veto or no. if you don't want it then it's time
>to elect congresscritters who will work against pork in the first place
>instead of putting all the responsibility on the president to curb the
>slop going into our troughs. so far, the voters haven't done that and
>we're getting what we deserve.

I just resent having to get what half of my neighbors deserve...
-- 
Anton Sherwood                                       dasher@well.sf.ca.us
+1 415 267 0685              1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
"We all hate poverty, war and injustice, unlike the rest of you squares."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,tx.politics,misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:24:05 GMT

In article <Ax3es*6v1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>
>Bush could have done many things to win.  He didn't.  He lost.
>
>The entire Clinton campaign was based on the assumption that the voters are
>stupid, ignorant, and have a memory which fades after a day or two.

This distinguishes it from the Bush campaign, which was forward-looking,
intellectual, principled, and appealing to the best in the American
character.


--Mike




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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Bush really IS a wimp
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:34:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.135223.10785@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.233313.18076@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Simon E. Booth,
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:
>>Ahh.. but he did serve in World War II, whereas Clinton dodged the draft
>during
>>Vietnam.
>>
>>Now who is a wimp??
>
>Neither. No person should be called a coward for following
>their convictions.

But Clinton's attitudes about the military are a cause for concern the next
time the Husseins or Kaddafis of the world run amok.  How would Clinton
respond to terrorism or even some madman with nuclear weapons?

Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Bush really IS a wimp
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:25:54 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec30.144305.21103@cas.org> dsl24@cas.org () writes:
>>
>   Maybe he's trying to save us tax-payers some money.  This whole
>   investigation is a waste of time.
>
>   ....Bush's place in history, it will be far from ugly.  Looking back
>   people will be more apt to wonder why idiots like yourself voted
>   in a "used car salesman" like Clinton, and voted out a great man
>   like President Bush.

    Have you considered defending your generalizations with specifics, or
shall we just take your word for it?
    GHWB pardoning those jerks to save the taxpayers money??!!  To quote an
old Peanuts strip, "My mind reels with sarcastic replies".

>   Only time will tell.

    Indeed.  And George's time is about gone.  :-)

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 04:39:00 GMT

Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:

>>Yes folks, Bush did the right thing.

>What kind of message does this pardon send to our children. Does it
>say "It's only a crime if you get caught"?

>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
>Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company

Norman: Every single decision cannot be based upon the one question
"what kind of message does this send to our children ?"

The message is "real life isn't tennis" you simply cannot bring the
entire country grinding to a halt in the name of "playing by the rules".
At some point reality has to be factored into the equation.  You can't
spend $35 million dollars every time something funny goes on in D.C. ?

And if you want all the lawbreakers in jail we simply rename the country
the United Prison System... if it isn't lying to Congress it is drug
use, theft, tax fraud, abuse of power, check kiting, graft and in the
case of Ted Kennedy, I think it's called "manslaughter" when his drunk
driving escapade killed a woman.

Now... what do you think the message is when Lockheed breaks the law
overbills for services and produces $400 hammers ?  Does it say "it
is only a crime if you get audited" ?

tom

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Bush really IS a wimp
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:13:22 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.144305.21103@cas.org> , dsl24@cas.org writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.092820.23623@netcom.com> nbh@netcom.com (N.B.
Hedd) writes:
>>As expected, he was too timorous to brave open court, so he did the
typical
>>Republican thing and pardoned those who might otherwise serve to
convict him.
>>What a wimp: afraid of his fellow citizens. What did he have to fear,
after
>>all? Either Weinberger lied to Congress or he did not. Either
Weinberger's
>>notes show that Bush lied to Congress or they do not. If Weinberger and
>>Bush are really innocent, then they have nothing to fear from a jury of
>>12 good men and women--the truth will out. Or is that what the little
>>sh*t was afraid of?
>>
>   Maybe he's trying to save us tax-payers some money.  This whole
>   investigation is a waste of time.

Why don't we just free all criminals from prosecution. It's a waste
of time and money. Why don't we dissolve the legal system.....    :-/

>
>>Rumor has it Bush is worried about establishing his place in history
(for
>>example, the Somalia mission). I think he needn't bother--it's pretty
>>much totally established by now...and it is REAL ugly. Maybe he and
>>Nixon can golf together while they try to rehabilitate their
reputations.
>>--
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>   A rumor no doubt started by some leftist like yourself.

Oooh...cheap groundless stereotyping.....  That should leave him gasping
for air.

>   As far as
>   Bush's place in history, it will be far from ugly.

I'm sure we will all be singing there praise for the huge deficits and
staggering debt Reagan and Bush amassed trying to make the world
"safe for democracy"....

>   Looking back
>   people will be more apt to wonder why idiots like yourself voted
>   in a "used car salesman" like Clinton, and voted out a great man
>   like President Bush.

This is known as emotionalism in the guise of groundless doomsaying.
Why don't we keep to the facts.

>
>   Only time will tell.

The first reasonable thing you have said.

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




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                               Hunter Thompson
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:52:30 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan1.003723.4415@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.135552.10873@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.225714.17677@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Simon E. Booth,
>>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:
>>>If you all think what Bush et al did was treason, then certainly
>>Clinton's
>>>actions during the late 60's must be equal or worse (going to Moscow,
>>
>>Sightseeing....a capital offense.
>>
>>> dodging
>>>the draft).
>>
>>Following ones moral convictions = treason? I don't think so.
>>>
>>>Wonder what he did with the 30 pieces of silver the KGB paid him?
>>
>>I hope you're being facetious here.
> OK that was a bit much.  But of all the places to go, why Moscow, at the
> height of the cold war, in the dead of winter?

Who really gives a fuck Simon?? Who REALLY fucking cares?

Bush lost. Get over it. He was an asshole and history has treated him 
appropriately.

> 
> Simon
> 

-Garrett

:]


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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:57:14 GMT


If you all think what Bush et al did was treason, then certainly Clinton's
actions during the late 60's must be equal or worse (going to Moscow, dodging
the draft).

Wonder what he did with the 30 pieces of silver the KGB paid him?


Simon
From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:52:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
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In a previous article, tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) says:

>patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:
>> 
>>	If they were all innocent why did they need to
>>	be pardoned in the first place?
>
>You folks all subscribe to the same newsletter or what ?
>
>>Patricia Ann Bromberger                            patth@panix.com
>>P.O.Box 273 - Island Station
>>New York, NY 10044 USA
>
>Oh.. New York City... Mayor Koch wasn't it ?  Mr. Honest, Mr. I live in
>a rent controlled apartment while poor folk live on the street.  Mr. Why
>complete a city project on time and under budget when you can funnel
>money and favors to your friends (while poor people live on the street).

       Let me see if I've got this straight:  

       1.  Ms. Bromberger gives a NYC post office box address in her
.sigfile.
       2.  Ed Koch used to be mayor of NYC.
       3.  Ed Koch did some shady things while mayor, and failed to solve
the problem of homelessness in NYC.
       4.  Therefore Ms. Bromberger should be blamed for Koch's actions,
and the contents of her post should be ignored, nay ridiculed.

        With logic like that, Mr. Leylan, it's a wonder to me why you
haven't been serving in the Bush cabinet for the last four years.  Have a
nice day, and I'll see you at the Clinton inauguration.
  
        
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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:08:20 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Dec28.144039.23072@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
> 
> This country is founded on law....maintained on a foundation of law
> and freedom. What Bush did was to circumvent the legal system. If
> they were all innocent as they claim, than the truth would have
> been evident in the facts or in a lack of hard evidence. However, it
> has become increasingly clear that this hard evidence does exist.

Before you get carried away on the emotional tide that is swamping all good 
liberals, perhaps you can provide a little perspective.  What laws had those
six men been accused of breaking?  Hint: some of them aren't crimes at all. 
Were ANY of the six accused of doing ANYthing illegal in connection with the
arms sales to Iran, or with getting that money to the Contras?  Hint: the
answer is No.  But, to hear Walsh (and others) foaming at the mouth, that
obviously doesn't matter at this point. Heads must be taken, hides must be
displayed on the wall. 

> What kind of message does this pardon send to our children. Does it
> say "It's only a crime if you get caught"? Does it say "If your rich
> and/or powerful enough you can get away with anything"? We should
> be aware of the grave implications of actions like these to the
> defining principles of our society.

Oh, puh-leez.  The "message" being heard loud & clear is the one Congress is
sending to any foolish (Republican) mortal who dares oppose them.  Their
message is, don't cross us.  If you dare to disagree with our way of running
foreign policy, we will bury you.  Somewhere, sometime, you must have 
committed SOME crime we can bury you with.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Bush pardons Iran-Contra scumbags
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.211652.27744@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Yes folks, Bush did the right thing.
>
>Simon
>

Gee Simon, thanks for your insightful argument supporting bush.  I
guess I was wrong in assuming that the same president which has said
"embezzlement is ok" (ollie north), "treason is ok", (north/cap
weinberger/secord/et. al) [[selling US arms to a hostile nation]], and
"nepotism is ok" (neil 'slick accounting' bush) would also cover his
own ass by pardoning the people who could finger him and make him look
even worse (yes it's possible) than he already does.

So, to support your unsupported idol-worshipping comment on bush doing the
right thing, why do you feel this way?

-Howard
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