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From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: soc.culture.baltic/balticum : Scandinavia/Nordic/Europe/West?
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.183332.6026@cs.chalmers.se> Tanel Tammet,
tammet@cs.chalmers.se writes:
>There is NO such thing as a "baltic" culture, when you speak about
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Although there are many things in common,
>the bare fact that Lithuania is a Catholic country whereas Estonia
>and Latvia have been almost exclusively in the Lutheran Protestant
>area from the rise of protestantism, creates principal differences.
>And then there is the obvious language thing, grouping together
>Latvian and Lithuanian, Estonian and Finnish.

Ordinary Japanese call Americans Westerners and they think Europeans are
all the same. Americans call Scandinavians Danes, Icelanders, Alanders,
Finns etc, although they do not live in countries on the Scandic
mountains.
Sometimes they're called more or less correct the Nordic.

If we wait non-Europeans like Americans etc. to take part in our
discussion,
why should we determine whole the cultural khaleidoscope we see ourselves
to puzzle them? In Russian - East European relations it is enough to show
that the Baltic and the Finns are neither Germans nor Russians. That is
enough
for everyone to explain existance of Finland, Latvia, Lithunia and
Estonia.

 Olli-Jukka Paloneva - a representative of the Botnian tribe,
 					   also sometimes called as a Finn. 
 					   
 					   
"One, who's mourning troubles of his, is imprisoned by them -
 					    
 No justice is made to you unless you make it."
 
 Kaarlo Kramsu: Jaakko Ilkka (the Botnian peasant leader in a mutiny
 							   against the exploatative taxation)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history,soc.rights.human
From: dharkins@papillon.ucsd.edu (Dan Harkins)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: The Slaughter of Braincells by Mutlu Terrorists
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: papillon.ucsd.edu

In article <9212152104@zuma.UUCP>
sera@zuma.uucp (Serdar Argic who is really Hasan B. Mutlu-- han@att.att.com or 
h.mutlu@att.att.com or 708-979-6684, he unlisted his home number recently...
good move!) writes:

>How about Adana? How about Haleb? How about Aydin? How about Konya? How about
>Trabzon? How about the entire Muslim population of x-Soviet Armenia? 
> How about...

please allow me to finish that sentence for you:

    HOW ABOUT SHUTTING THE F*CK UP!!!!!

Dan Harkins                                 "clava kapitalizmoo"
					    #include <std/disclaimer.h>
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: re: Recalling in sorrow the victims of the supermarket massacre
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:22:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Arxid) [The pride of AT&T, Hasan B Mutlu] writes:
re: Recalling in sorrow the victims of the Azeri Genocide.

(* >Having been in this country for 10 years (and having dealt with an almost
(* >infinite number of idiotic teenagers working as supermarket cashiers,
(* >all making cute remarks about Tri*'s name) I pretty much have learned to
(*  
(* Living things have been doing just that for a long, long time, "sipa of
(* delco". It's the "sipa" thing that I envy. Now, any comment?
(*  
(*      Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
(*  
(*  'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving 
                                                                    ^^^^^^^
(*  up people with their bayonets and knives.'  A 45-year-old man who had been 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(*  shot in the back  said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(*  up on us and people were falling all around. [...] 

Yea, one comment, Arxid Effendi... I just got a wonderful idea of what to
do the next time an idiotic teenager working as a supermarket cashier
makes cute remarks about Tri*'s name. How's this:

        Tri* Family Massacres Dozens of Supermarket Cashiers

'The Tri* family just shot and shot. And they came in and started
carving up teenage supermarket cashiers with their bayonets and
knives.'  A 15-year-old who had been shot in the back said:' We were
done weighting in the chickens and turkeys... Then they opened up on
us and people were falling all around. [...]

Any comments, Arxid Effendi?

Spiros
--
              ___        _____________________________
             |  o\__    | Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene? | Beef: Real Food 
}}            \  __/ ___| Ne mutlu anti-Mutlu diyene! |       for Real People
}}}    ____   / /    \          (Old Turkish Proverb) |
}}}}__/}}}}\_/ /      \_______________________________| Feathers: Real Clothes
}}/  }}}}}}    \                                               for real Chicken
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   \__ }}____}/        Spiros Triantafyllopoulos        
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: To Blame the Victim -- Armenians in Azerbaijan, Part 7
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00: 14:48 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.063212.2171@urartu.sdpa.org> David Davidian,
dbd@urartu.sdpa.org writes:
>Mr. Lipsits...you claim Armenians teach hatred? So tell us, Mr. Azeri 
>Apologist, why not only Armenians, but Jews and Russians in Baku were in
fear
>of their lives?
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
                                        ***Lynah Faithful***
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: ml12@cornell.edu (Mark Lipsits)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: To Blame the Victims -- Armenians in Azerbaijan, Part 2
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

There is no point in sending me personal letters -- I read the news.  Also,
I should ask you, please, not to do it again, because you are killing my
disk space.  Thanks,
                    Sincerely,
                               Mark.......................
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From: peter@OUZO.BROOKS.AF.MIL ("Peter G. Petropoulos")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: test
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:25:59 GMT
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From: jlbass@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Information on Moscow,Moscow Energy Institute,Moscow Magazine
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:48:49 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

	I have a friend visiting Moscow in the early months of 1993. Since I
haven't been there in 2.5 years,I was wondering what conditions are like there
for tourists(unlike me,she doesn't currently speak Russian although I'm
teaching her a few phrases). I would especially like to know what kind of
precautions she should take to avoid dangers,if any. She is going there to
adopt a child. I would also like to know where I could get a copy of Moscow
Magazine(I want to show it to her so that she can get some idea of restaurants
and stores). I used to buy it in Memphis but I've heard it's no longer being
sold in the United States(I would be happy to send the amount of the magazine's
cost plus a self addressed stamped envelope if anyone can find it-as of October
1991-it cost $5).
	Also,does anyone know whether Moscow Energy Institute has an E-mail
address(Moskovskii Energeticheskii Institut). I was enrolled in the Russian for
Foreigner's department there in the Summer 1990 as a part of the ACTR program.
I want to correspond with my teachers and the rektor of the MEI Russian for
foreigner's department.
	Thanks,
	John Bass
From: CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU ("VALENTINE M. SMITH")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Comments on Russia's Future ..., (#799)
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Comments on Russia's Future ...

The appointment of Victor Chernomyrdin as Russia's Prime Minister
does not really solve the problems that the country faces. What DOES
happen is that the conservatives get their wish and see the reforms
attempted by Gaidar slowed down.

But, the political problems remain. The alienation of the Army
remains high, specially with no clear direction save diminishment in
size. Now, there is talk that the new regime sees a way out of
economic woes by increasing arms sales abroad, which this observer
believes is high folly - exporting MORE problems to other countries
to temporarily solve Russia's cash flow difficulties.

The crime and corruption problems are still in place, according to
experts I heard on a public radio talk show today, and although there
is generally food available, much remains out of reach for the
"average" Russian. Hyper-inflation, a rapidly devaluing ruble, a
system that still pays large numbers of people who do no work, a
police apparatus that has a horrible reputation still largely intact,
and reactionaries of every stripe, ilk, and political belief dreaming
and plotting to restore the old empire are but a few of the immediate
problems facing this more "conservative" regime.

Yeltsin gets a constitutional referendum in April, but is
significantly weakened politically by giving up Gaidar and Burbulis
(though Gaidar is now a "consultant" to the President). The "hard
liners" would appear to have won a "Pyrrhic victory" in that now the
disgruntled reformers are less inclined to cooperate with them in
frustration, and damaging Yeltsin's ability to lead may cause
eventual deposition of the fellow folks only six months ago as the
only person who could lead Russia to a better future.

My question, what's the point? What does "crippling" Yeltsin do
positively for Russia's future? It would seem that the seeds of
disaster were sown by the Congress, and though Khasbulatov reportedly
came out of the brawl looking stronger, it would appear that the
Parliament(s) appear more tarnished and narrow-minded than before.

Where does the future lie; chaos, reform, slow "no-reform," or renewed
authoritarianism? Most of Russia's futures do not appear bright, and
a rumor that the Moscow regime is thinking of aiding their Sebian
"Slavic brothers" in the illegal and immoral destruction of Bosnia
seems the height of more folly. Russia can barely govern itself, let
alone puddle in the murky cauldron of Balkan affairs.

My view is pessimistic, but still wanting to think Chernomyrdin COULD
do what Gaidar couldn't - lead Russia forward, which it really needs
to have happen. But, I remain doubtful, and little I've read or heard
in recent days heartens me much. I hope my short-term view is in
error, and will gladly listen to evidence that sees the "CIS states"
and Russia moving forward. I do not believe motion is occuring, save
closer to the abyss' edge. Thoughts? VMS
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Status-Quo and Fait Accompli - A Dangerous Doctrine
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:21:28 GMT


	I am in the middle of the finals week and my
capabilities of responding to the Ankara-Baku axis are
severely limited. I would just like to say the following:

	Although there is a certain difficulty with applying the 
principle of historical justice to international politics, the
doctrine of FAIT ACCOMPLI, accomplished facts, is potentially even
more dangerous. 

	The denial of any responsibility for the past crimes and
the denial of any necessity to discuss or recognize them leads to
the assertion of force and accomplished facts as the only legitimate
foundation of world order. In this case, if these are the rules of the game,
then why stop playing it? Why not create a new chain of FAITS ACCOMPLIS,
a new status-quo which will be unquestioned? It is precisely this approach
that leads to historical vendetta, as Mark Lipsits points out.

	Recognition of historical facts does not necessarily lead that way.
It didn't in the case of Jewish holocaust, it didn't in the case
of Katin tragedy. Denial of historical facts blocks the attempts of
reconciliation on a genuine basis, pushing the nationalist forces in both
camps to power methods and fait accompli solutions.

	Not everything is that simple, Mark.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Bilingualism
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:24:46 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Tanel Tammet (tammet@cs.chalmers.se) writes:
>Now my point in rejecting the bilingualism of the Finnish model is that
>total official bilingualism with Estonian and Russian, so that official
>documents have to be also filled in Russian, will be considered absolutely
>unacceptable by over 90% of the Estonian citizens. The need to use Russian
>in official papers associates directly with the rule of USSR with all the
>consequences. The existence of independent Estonia and the Estonian culture
>as a whole associates directly with the language.

I have full understanding for the Estonian antipathy against the
Russian language - an interesting side issue, how many of the
Russian contributors to this group understands the negative value
the Russian language actually has among the Estonians? Nevertheless,
this emotional stance cannot solely dictate the politics. The
practical situation at hand is also important. That is a significant
number of the Estonians, present and future, have Russian as their
native language.

But it seems you are over-interpreting things. Bilingualism does not
mean that you have to fill in the form in Estonian *and* Russian, but
in one of them. The form itself may appear in two different versions,
or one with field labels in both languages, whichever is most practical.
A typical place where the bilingualism would appear are banknotes,
that would not only say "sata kroon" (pardon my bad Estonian), but
also "CTO KPOHbI".

I understand that it may be hard to swallow, but in the long run
it may be necessary if you want the Russian-speaking population
to be fully integrated in the Estonian state.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: m.graf@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Markus Graf)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re^2: Relcom
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Mailboxsystem LINK-NJD, FRG

Hoy!

Excuse me for intruding. My name is Markus Graf and I'm a student of the
Russian language. I live in a small town in Germany where it's quite hard
to come by Russian literature. So I'm also interested in Russian language
articals via the computer.

If you manage to get relcom please forward me the information how to get it.

My Problems are:

- I can't figure out where Netinformation comes from because I'm sitting
  in a small local Network. I read uusp.talk.politics.sovjet when it
  'dropped' through a gateway.

- I do not have access to unix. I use an IBM compatibal 286. I only recieve
  uucp via a gateway.

- I do not have the faintest idea how do get russian letters to my screen
  once I do get them. I do of course have programs which can do it, but
  they seem quite exotic and non-standard to me.

- Since I only get masses of information falling through the gateway to me,
  I can't even give you my netadress. But I hope, that the message header
  will be filled in by the gate.

- I do not have any expiriance with networks, but I'm ready to try.

I would be very greatfull if You could forward to me how to recive relcom
and/or other russian language networks and the software requirements to
display the information once I recieve it.

Excuse my limited command of the english language please, I now I sound
funny.

                          very greateful in advance

                                     Markus

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.172432.452@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>perfectly harmless. given that background & the fact that it -was-
>halloween, (about the time you'd expect to see costume guns) it's 

It was NOT Halloween.

I heard about it several days before Halloween and this year,
Halloween was on a Saturday.

-- 
My opinions are my own.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Subject: Re: Mail Order SKS
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:33:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.011735.10896@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes:
><JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>>   According the piece in today's New York Times he purchased the SKS
>>on Monday in Pittsfield, Mass.  The Times calls the SKS a modified
>>AK 47 and labels the gun an "Assault rifle" several times in the article.
>
>>  My questions is did this young man comply with Massachusett's rather
>>strict firearms laws?  Did he have a Mass FID?  If not, how did he
>>legally purchase the gun?
>
>That's being debated as we speak.
>The guy did indeed buy the SKS in a gun store.  Since he is a Montana
>resident, and there are no restrictions on gun purchases in Montana,
>the Massachusetts FID requirement apparently didn't apply; only
>Massachusetts residents need FIDs.  This is, of course, if the buyer

Doesn't the federal law about out of state pruchases permit purcahses of
long guns one within CONTIGUOUS STATES only?  

>can legally buy the same gun in his home state, which was the case
>here.
>
>At least that's how the gun store owner interpreted the regulations,
>and as far as I know, MA officials haven't challenged that
>interpretation.
>
>The NRA, however, has, and claims that as a student, the guy should
>have been considered a Mass. resident.

Tricky point here - it is not clear that students, particularly those living in
documentably temporary accomodations (college dorms, etc.) are "residents".
If one really wants to establish "legal residency" registering to vote is the
best way.

>
>I don't know who is right.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Andy Freeman vs Random House Dictionary (was: Nabbing a car thief)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:36:37 GMT

In article <LAMBERT.92Dec15211221@nankeen.spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au> lambert@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Tim Lambert) writes:
> ...
>Oh I get it.  The Random House definition (a cheap, small caliber
>handgun that is easily obtainable) "doesn't make sense" because they
>REALLY mean "guns owned by niggers" and "Guns for "niggers" are no
>more available than guns for anyone else".  I'm glad you cleared that
>up for us.

  I'm glad that this is settled, so next we can argue about
whether "Law and Order" refers to blacks or not.  (Let's see
how my Funk and Wagnalls define "law", ...)

--henry schaffer

P.S. My unabridged dictionary doesn't have a definition of
"Saturday Night Special" - so clearly the phrase doesn't exist.
I also note that my dictionary doesn't list "fuck" either.
Probably the dictionary was printed before this word entered
the language.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Oh, Those Swedes!
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:57:30 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1gb8beINNoei@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>Today's gun/crime chuckle, from News of the Weird:
>
>"Swedish Justice Minister Gun Hellsvik came under criticism in October over a
>rehabilitation program established to help prison inmates adjust to society.
>The program included an in-prison session to teach inmates skeet shooting by
>letting them practice with shotguns."

  How about comparing the Swedish and the American reaction to certain
incidents instead: Two weeks ago a guy high on stereoids and booze shot six 
teenagers with a ruger loaded with hollowpoints here in Sweden. The 'public 
reaction' was to demand more police and customs vigilance against stereoids 
and actions against doping from the various body-building and track-and-field 
organizations.

  I'd bet that in the US the media would have yelled about 'high capacity
pistols', 'semi-automatic assault weapons' and 'sadistic killer bullets'.

  Somehow the Swedish reactions seems much saner.

>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: cwt@mitre.org (Carl Traber)
Subject: Re: Downside to FFL?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:56:53 GMT

jkapson@ad-29.Naitc.Com (John Kapson) writes:

   OK, 20/20 has established how easy it is to get an FFL; why aren't all
   of us FFL holders?  What are the costs/drawbacks/restrictions/etc that
   apply to FFL holders that would disuade someone (me, perhaps?) from
   becoming one?

   [ signature deleted ]

I know of at least one drawback:  you have to put your own, personally
owned firearms onto the paperwork when you get the FFL.  My brother
has a FFL, and thus had to do this.  Personally, I think that this
kind of requirement is too invasive, particularly since pre-1968 guns
that a family may own are thus much harder to locate and confiscate.

Then again, maybe I've just been burned too many times by overly
officious (and sometimes actively hostile) bureaucrats and tyrants.
My store of trust in officialdom was used up, by officialdom, long ago.

-- Carl Traber    cwt@shockley.mitre.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: The basic problem with anti-gun nuts.
From: case1@husc4.harvard.edu (John Case)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:35:14 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec16.000100.22277@cs.mun.ca> robin2@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Robin Collier) writes:
>Boy, you really seem to think its everyones God given right to bear arms
>Well, I guess I can't really associate with some of the problems you
>may have in your neck of the woods, since not even the police carry guns
>here.  But mind you, they can do some real damage with a baton.  
>Thats Right!  The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary is the only police
>force in North America that doesn't carry arms.
>
>Robin Collier
>robin2@garfield.cs.mun.ca
>

Sorry to rain on your parade, but there are many police forces here in the 
Commonwealth of Massachusetts, mainly University police, who are sworn police 
officers, subject to all the training and other standards of the Commonwealth,
who meet all the definitions of police forces, and who do not carry guns.

John Case
case1@husc.harvard.edu
From: n5gax@leo.unm.edu (Duke McMullan n5gax)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: A PRO-gun song!
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:15:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

A word of explanation--this was mentioned last week on art.music.filk.  I
wanted the song (the DMN below is yrs. truly) and asked for it.  Joe
Bethancourt was going to look for it, but Bob Hircschfeld found it and posted
it.  I thought it might have some currency here . . . .

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