From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: SEXES (was "something I just wanted to complain about")
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:34:10 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz) writes:

> > / hpcc01:alt.pagan / pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless) /  8:05 pm  Jul 21,
> > I am surprised to hear all of the pagans around here missing the origin
> > of the "DD cup" woman...
> >
> > What about the Venus de Willandorff (sp?) and all of the other giant-breast
> > Mother Goddess images of the Neolithic? Giant breasts are the symbol of
> > motherhood and plenty.
>
> These ample breasted goddess images also have ample hips, stomachs and
> thighs.
>
> The current ideal of beauty for women call for ample breasts with a
> small waist, flat stomachs, slender (but definite!) hips, and skinny legs.
> This ideal is a distortion of female body shape.  Almost all women with
> ample breasts have ample everything else too.
>
yup.  i was going to comment on this myself, but for some reason i didn't.  i
have 36 G cup breasts, and i look JUST LIKE the venus of willendorf (well, a
little thinner, but anyway).  i had big breasts even when i weighed 124 lbs.,
but most people do NOT have the overactive breast tissue generators that run in
my family, luckily for them (they're damned heavy).  expecting wimmin to have
gargantuatits and wasp waists is ridiculous.

> > Please... THINK about the origins of these stereotypes! Are they bad? Are
> > they good? Is is all for the best natural selection, or have we evolved pas
> > such primitive needs...All of this is YOUR interpretation. You can be as
> > militant or as moderate as you like, but let's put some thought into the
> > discussion before we add our acid.
>
> The "DD cup" women being complained about here in alt.pagan is the
> stereotyped image presented above, not the goddess image.  If the "DD cup"
> cartoon character in the Cool World movie had been goddess shaped (ample
> everywhere), this whole thread wouldn't have started.
>
right again.  especially since the movie woudl have bombed.  B(  there are no
goddesses in period shaped like the comic book ideal.  astarte in her breast
presenting position has fairly sizeable breasts, but she has pretty sizeable
hips too...
>
> > ..For my own part, I think that having distinctly masculine and feminine
> > ideals of beauty and sexuality are good*. However, the modern media
>
> Given that the current "female ideal" is such a distortion of natural shape,
> I find it harmful to myself and other women I know.
>
> Rather than go into "I know a women who...", I'll use myself as an example.
> I have a hard time accepting my body as beautiful.  It sure doesn't fit
> any of the images of women I see that are called beautiful by our society.
> My figure is 36-29-40, and I'm still trying to lose weight to be happy
> with myself.  Even though I try to tell myself that I don't have to
> have 36-24-36 (oops, nowdays I think that it's 38-24-35) measurements to
> have a beautiful body, I have real trouble in accepting it.

well, if it's any help, that fits MY standards of nice measurements.  but it
won't.  i know that from experience.  all that stuff abotu what you are
supposed to look like is just so engrained.  i'm vaguely active in the fat
rights movement, and i still am AMAZED when thin wimmin find me attractive...
it doesn't really matter what i say, in some cases, cos sometimes i ddon't
believe it myself...

>
> I would prefer to see a society where all different shapes of women were
> admired for their natural qualities:  slender women with small breasts
> admired for their sleekness, ample women with large breasts admired
> for their fullness, and us average sized ones admired because of
> our minds :-)   (just kidding - admired because we're "just right").
>
that's about how i see it...  you just described my sentiments about breasts to
a T...  but then, i think the lesbian community doesn't get as wierd about that
sort of thing...  we err in the other direction, from what i've noticed -
wimmin are supposed to look athletic and be muscled, at least slightly, and
trim, with not too much in the way of breast development...  it's because the
androgynous look is still quite fashionable, i think...

*raises cup*  here's to hooters, whatever size they may be!  wear them with
pride!  B)

                                        -ailsa

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