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From: nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mormons in Russia
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:45:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov19.014508.15760
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1eeolbINNcan@agate.berkeley.edu> alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko) writes:
>>Cut the shit! This ain't no Salt Lake City. I for my part worship Green God
>>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^ 
>>Nobby
>>nobby@u.washington.edu
>>
>>P.S. Ah! Almost forgot! CONVERT AND GREEN GOD WILL FORGIVE YOUR SINS!
>>Have you had no sins in your life up to this moment and/or previous 
>>incarnations I would be happy to share some.
>
>Did you mean Green Snake (zeleny zmiy)? I always assumed that every Russian worshipped Green Snake :-) :-) :-)
>

Including, but not limited to. Green God comprises Green Snake,
Green Dragon and even Green Lizard if for some obscure reason
you worship the latter too. Green God is omnipresent and in a 
certain sense ubiquitous. He's also almighty and I would say 
bloody powerful. It's not too late to repent! Actually, it's never 
too late but I would advise you to hurry up if you want to get
the best spot. Closer to the Doomsday you may be compelled to watch 
the justice being carried out from the hallway.

>Sorry, couldn't resist...
>

That's fine. Green God is also plenty merciful.

>    Alex.
>
>P.S. Conversion is a right way to go -- you can't live without Green Snake.  :-) :-)

Well, that's the sin I would like to share.

nobby@u.washington.edu

>
>-- 
>"I know that I work for Time-Warner, one of the main purveyors of evil
> in the universe.  The way I see it, sometimes you have to rot the
> infrastructure from within." -Al Jourgensen
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Svetoi Nikolai... Yuck!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:09:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <102517@bu.edu>, shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.153723.32778@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
>(PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>>Or that b***h from St. Petersburg -
>>what was her name - who screwed in the graveyards...
>
>Who was that?

St. Marina (or Mariya) Petropavlovskaya - I REALLY don't 
remember the name of the b**ch. You-raw-dee-vow-yeah she was,
as they explain her nymphomaniac etc. behavior.

-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: alexei@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: American Russian dialect ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:07:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: alexei@raphael.acpub.duke.edu

Could anyone provide more examples of the variety of Russian often
spoken by the third wave emigres in America. I need it for a linguistic/
anthropological research. Things like "aplayat' na medikejd", "vzyat' 
ekzit nomer tri" (on a highway), "ne bleimuj eto na menya", "ya 
opyat' skruapnul na rabote", etc.  Some of them are definitely used
also by XSU grad students who have never been really exposed to an 
emigre language community.  I'm not interested in value judgements of the 
like of "nechistyj russkij yazyk", "koshchunstvo", etc. That's not the 
point. It's spoken and real (and can/should be studied for a hundred 
reasons). Any social/cultural (or anecdottal?) comments are welcomed,
though. Thanks a lot!
Alexei
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: M U T L U
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:44:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

What is M u T L u having for dinner on Thanksgiving?

-Mark
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9929 rec.arts.books:20133
From: alexm@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Macintosh WordProcessing
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:50:19 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital CIPR

MS Word would do the trick.
Just get Cyrillik fonts from Sumex - and you're all set.

Alex
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Fylologi fleim and Michael@Jaguar
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:44:27 EST

In article <bullshit1000@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu yells:
> 
> Dear Michaels, Mishas, Mikhails, Mikes,or Moshes,
> 
> Poka vy obsuzhdaete nasusshchnuiu temu filologii, nas polivaiut po vsei seti
> nekhoroshimi slovami tipa "skumbag".  I schitaiu, chto pora prizvat' k otvetu
> vsekh etikh inoplemennykh, kotorye posiagaiutsia na nashe s vami imia.

  Padazhdi, daragoi.. Dai poslednii raz posiagnut'sia..

  -Raz poshel kopat' chervei,
  -Raz kopnul, a tam ... Michael Martynov !

> 
> Gospodin Zeleny, vam ne slabo prigotovit' k boiu vashu pushku.
> A vy, Verbitskii, matiushkom ikh rodimykh pozhaluista...
> A ia protivogaz prinesu, vot my i povoiuem...
> 
> 		S uvazheniem, Michael Martynov ili prosto Misha.

---
Diclaimer:  Za nadrugatel'stvo nad Michaelom Martynovym ka-ka-kaius'..

Serega & Co
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Eduard Limonov
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:49:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov21.234941.17677
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1ejm33INN6pc@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.212214.16631@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:

>>Is this the Eduard Limonov who wrote 'Eto Ia Edichka' and 'Palach'? I
>>would think it is  just a coincidence if not for the "Savenko" part of
>>the name. 

>That's him. Best friend of another phsyco, Zhirinovsky, sort of 
>"nachl'nik politotdela". Why are you suprised?

	A good example of brainwashing by "democratic" 
	propaganda: it is Zhirinovsky who proposed Limonov
	to be his Minister of Culture and Propaganda
	after he will become a president. Nobody heard
	from Limonov that he agrees (and nobody heard
	that he disagrees, I guess, because this "democratic"
	media are too "selective", read, prone to lies).

	Well, I could imagine Limonov being a Zhirinovsky's
	supporter <chuckle>, but it's lie nevertheless.

	Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Svetoi Nikolai...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:05:33 GMT

Skimming October's issue (I think) of "Ogonyek", I came across article
in which sainthood of Nikolas the Last was discussed.  It seems that
Russian clergy is considering giving Nikolai the title of saint. 

Is there anyone in this news group who thinks that Nikolai was a saint?
You know guys, it is like if there is enough of us, who think, you know
like this, we can, like, find a 800 number where we can send donations to
tsar' Nikolai, so that they would elect him to be, like, a saint.

---Slava tsarya khroni!...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Eduard Limonov
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:22:14 GMT



Taken from: clari.news.hot.east_europe,

>	BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (UPI) -- Communist President Slobodan Milosevic
>of Serbia met Friday with a delegation of Marxist deputies from the
>Russian Parliament in the latest sign of an ongoing effort to develop
>close ties with opponents of Russian President Boris Yeltsin.
        
                           <...text deleted...>

>	Ultra-nationalists of both nations have expressed a vision of forming
>an alliance based on historic ties and common Christian Orthodox faith.
>	All of the Russian visitors have received top billing on state-run
>Belgrade television in what appears to be a pre-election Milosevic
>propaganda attempt to convince Serbs that the U.N. sanctions have not
>left the country isolated.
>	On Tuesday, Milosevic was shown on television meeting a group of
>Russian poets and artists. Last month, he met Eduard Savenko-Limonov, an
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>author and senior member of the Patriotic Front, which shares with
 ^^^^^^
>Milosevic's Socialist Party of Serbia a philosophy combining communism
>and ultra-nationalism.


Is this the Eduard Limonov who wrote 'Eto Ia Edichka' and 'Palach'? I
would think it is  just a coincidence if not for the "Savenko" part of
the name. One of Limonov's early books was called "Podrostok Savenko"
and claimed to be autobiographical I think. 

Anyone knows for sure?


Leonid.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jeffrey@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Jeffrey A. Thompson)
Subject: Macintosh WordProcessing
Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:33:32 GMT

I would like to do word processing of Cyrillic fonts with the Macintosh. 
Can anyone recommend a good Mac wordprocessor that can process Cyrillic 
fonts and:

   - Import Graphics
   - Has Seriph and SanSeriph Fonts
   - System 7 Compatible

Thanks,
--jat
From: burshtey@polka.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Zametki na polyakh
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:35:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In answer to several recent postings by comrade Martynov, containing
lots of platitudes, shallowness, and openly idiotic remarks, there is but
one thing to say:

Durak ty Martynov, i shutki tvoi duratskie.

And if those weren't jokes, then you're an even harder case: mutloid.

Alex Burshteyn

P.S. Don't bother to answer, nobody's listening.
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Martynov, grow up!!!
Keywords: What are ___ talking about?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:24:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <11262@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> mam18@pheasant.cs.uofs.edu (Michael A Martinov) writes:
>It seems for me, that you said even more than you needed... specially in the
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
That's "especially." Tak chto, "ch'ya by mychala..."

>subject line (What are talking about?).  Next time don't forget to put
>something like "we", "you", or "they" after "are": it will look much-much
>better.

Come on, can't a person mistype once in his lifetime without some jerk in
this otherwise nice newsgroup deriving infantile malicious pleasure from it?!
(Of course, as you may have guessed, I mean no one in particular.)
Spelling flames are dumbest things I've ever read on the net, so this is the
last time I'm answering that sort of nonsense.

>Respectfully,
>
>Michael Martynov.

Respectfully,

Alex Burshteyn.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mb7s@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Mikhail  Boukhny)
Subject: Re: Studying in Moscow & St.Petersburg
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:27:57 GMT

Tolstoj? Which one?
From: slj1k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Mormons in Russia: Take Two
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:10:40 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	LET IT BE KNOWN

	If you want to argue about my beliefs, let's step outside, to
	the, er...um, well, how about soc.religion.christian, and let
	our friends who have something intelligent to say about the
	former soviet union enlighten us, 'kay?

	takie dela

 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: How to map russian character set to a transliterated one ?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:21:58 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.15 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

>Spasibo za kompliment, Oleg, no w swoej seksualxnoj fantazii ty qwno
>pereocenil moi razmery.

Dima, ya prosto tebe l'stil. Tvoi nastoyaschii razmery byli opublikovany
v Ripley's "Believe or not".

Oleg V
P.S. Kstati, prozvische "Korobochka" tebe ne o chem ne govorit ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: fjk@yskra.pfc.mit.edu (Felix)
Subject: Re: Macintosh WordProcessing
Reply-To: FJK@ALCVAX.PFC.MIT.EDU
Organization: MIT
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:54:42 GMT


You can use any word processor which fulfills your graphics and System 7 
requirement.  What you need are the screen and printer fonts.  I have been 
using the Casady & Greene Glasnost family with good results.   They provide 
7 typefaces, some with and some without seriphs.  They imitate the Soviet 
typewriter keyboard and have a matching package for the PC and its clones.
Their  coordinates:
P.O. Box 223779, Carmel, CA 93922
telephone (408)484-9228
Good luck, Felix
--
This article expresses strictly my views, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: How to map russian character set to a transliterated one ?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:24:22 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Nov18.235738.5115@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu> dlv@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
(Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math) writes:
>> [korobochka]
>You've asked me already, and I told you that yes, I was at NYU during that
>time period, and no, I don't recall that name (which may or may not mean
>much).  Marazm, towari}?
>
>Dimitri Vulis

Let me help refresh your memory. Korobochka was booted from NYU for
sending antisemitic messages from other people's computer accounts he
had broken into. Still no recollection ?

Oleg Vishnepolsky
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone!
Date: 22 Nov 92 05:10:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov22.001101.17678
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Nov20.183038.13041@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

>Well, I personally saw an attack on Vysotsky and Galich in the fascist
>press. Even disregarding their Jewishness, Vysotsky's social position, his
>love for freedom, hatred of chauvinism, making fun of antisemites,
>soviet apparatchiks, dictators, etc. certainly rub the fascist-communist alliance
>the wrong way "protiv shersti". 

	And I have personally spoken with the antisemite who
	was a Vysotsky admirer and supported his antisemitism by the
	quotes from the same song (which is, IMO, ambivalent towards
	Jews, to say the least). About seeing the quote: let
	me ask you for a reference? I have had no idea that
	there is xSoviet antisemitic press available in US.

	About how it happens that Vysotsky is loved by the
	same "partapparatchiks" he criticized and Galich
	is hated by them, wrote Yurii Karabchievsky. He
	believed that Vysotsky's humour is, basically,
	just like the humour or Raikin's sketches
	(and all the tickets on Raikin's concerts were
	always bought by the "nomenklatura", as Raikin
	himself wrote). Karabchievsky analyzed 
	Vysotsky's song about "kartofeleuborochnyi kombain"
	and showed that this song, being "criticizing",
	does not suggest an alternative to the regime, and
	is itself in a perfect agreement with apparatchiks'
	views. Galich's songs are openly antisovietic
	and cannot be tolerated by this public.

	BTW, Galich is uniformily hated by all "patriots".


>It is? I htink htat the scs's concern with ethnicity is a direct response
>to the Pamyat's preoccupation with ethnicity. I personally worry about
>ethnicity only because of the threat of pogroms in Russia by Pamyat against
>everybody who happens to look Jewish.

	Let me have a doubt here: not about you, but about
	the "generic" poster. Surely this "generic" poster
	thinks more about, say, Vysotsky's ethnicity when he posts
	that due to this he is hated by right-wing politicians,
	than about the threat of pogroms.

	Generally, this preoccupation with athnicity is much stronger
	on scs than in, say, Nash Sovremennik, and no less
	nauseating. Sometimes I tend to agree with pogromshchiks :)

	Misha.
From: si0k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sergey Iskotz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: FM Sh 239, Graduates?
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:42:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kf3y_p200VIEMioUlj
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.soviet: 20-Nov-92 FM Sh 239,
Graduates? Igor Pankevich@cs.columb (100)

> Let's see how many of us are here. I know of three except me (I mean, on
> this net). 

Somewhat unfortunately, didn't have a chance to complete the last
semester. But still, 14-3, class of Sergey Mixailovich Abramovich, who
is now a professor in Tel-Aviv university.

-Sergey
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: petrov@tfs.com (George Petrov)
Subject: Re: Eduard Limonov
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:00:48 GMT

In article <1ejm33INN6pc@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.212214.16631@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
>>
>>
>>Is this the Eduard Limonov who wrote 'Eto Ia Edichka' and 'Palach'? I
>>would think it is  just a coincidence if not for the "Savenko" part of
>>the name. 
>
>That's him. Best friend of another phsyco, Zhirinovsky, sort of 
>"nachl'nik politotdela". Why are you suprised?
>
>Yury M.

	Surprised, because it seems a bit out of character.  But,
	hey, we may be witnessing another format of toska po rodine.
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Zametki na polyakh
Date: 24 Nov 92 06:41:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Nov23224149
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: burshtey@polka.seas.upenn.edu's message of 23 Nov 92 20:35:24 GMT

burshtey@polka.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn) writes:

> In answer to several recent postings by comrade Martynov, containing
> lots of platitudes, shallowness, and openly idiotic remarks, there
> is but one thing to say:

> Durak ty Martynov, i shutki tvoi duratskie.

> And if those weren't jokes, then you're an even harder case:
> mutloid.

> Alex Burshteyn

> P.S. Don't bother to answer, nobody's listening.

I iescho k tomu zhe - na huya on Mikhaila Iurievicha prishil,
voyaka hrenov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gmfich@cs.washington.edu (Greg Fichtenholtz)
Subject: Re: FM Sh 239, Graduates?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:04:28 GMT

In article <By50Mu.Cuq.1@cs.cmu.edu> smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov) writes:
>In article <By1F5G.F0v@cs.columbia.edu>, igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>|> 
>|> Let's see how many of us are here. I know of three except me (I mean, on this
>|> net). 
>|> 
>|> --Igor P.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>
>    My office mate Eugene Fink (eugene@cs.cmu.edu)is exactly a graduate of 
>    239 F M Sh. A month ago we found 30 F M Sh graduate in CMU, not in CS, 
>    but in ECE and, thus, completed the "Saint Trio" - 30, 45 & 239  -:)
>
>    St.Yury  from  St.Petersburg


Mmmmmmmmmm, I suppose I would fit into this category.....
What's up?

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From: STCL000 <STCL@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject: RFMS(SCH# 54),ALMA-ATA,GRADUATES
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:52:39 GMT

Is there anybody out there ??
I am looking for somebody from "fizmat shkoli" (Alma-Ata).




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From: mam18@pheasant.cs.uofs.edu (Michael A Martinov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Hands off Patricia!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:39:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <1992Nov09.211009.47937@watson.ibm.com>, oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
|> Who's got his dirty hands on Patricia ? Step aside, dude, I am
|> the next in line.
|> 

Go and jack off, it's gonna to be a long line...

|> Oleg V
|> 
|> Disclaimer: my wife disagrees


Michael.
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Davidian v. Akgun
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:35:01 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


David Davidian writes:

[DD] There were Zionist units fighting in Germany, and British sponsored Jewish
[DD] units in Italy. There were Jews fighting in the US Military against Germany.
[DD] And anyway, so what if they did, would that have justified genocide? There
[DD] were Jewish units in Palestine after WWII fighting for a homeland. Using your
[DD] logic the Arabs should have commited genocide on these Jews establishing a
[DD] Jewish State on Arab soil. You fool! 

Cengiz Akgun:

[CA] What a ding-bat!  There were no single evidence any Jew
[CA] had any conspiracy (with or without arms) against their state 
[CA] to provoke any German to start this horrible Nazi animosity
[CA] leading to Holocaust.  Go tell those jems above in scj and get your 
[CA] reply.


   Cengiz, if I am not missing the point here, David has not
   accused Jews of conspiring against the German state.  Besides
   referring him to some of the extremist, fundamentalists on
   s.c.j. is unfair; these are the same buggers who condemned
   me and questioned my Jewishness when I took Israel to task
   for brutality against Arabs in the Occupied Territories.
   Finally, there is some evidence that the Jews who eventually
   brought about the independence of Israel had ties with the
   Nazis, whose assistance they needed to oust the British from
   Palestine.  Painful as it is for me to admit this, the truth
   must be told.  However, digression aside, I think you've
   misconstrued David's words.  Take it easy!

-- Eduard Wiener
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet