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From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: new dark horse SW series!
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:04:25 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov5.114438.16707@cm.cf.ac.uk>, Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon
N Smith) says:
>
>Dark Horse are already producing a new SW series to be called "Tales of
>the Jedi".  The story is about some Jedi tackling a Hutt in the time before
>Vader and the Emporer decided to have a Jedi purge.  It wont be out for over
>a year though :-(  I know this is a fact because I know of the artist
>who is drawing the thing as I write!  His name is David Roach from the UK,
>and he's done previous work on 2000AD, and has also been heavily involved
>

 May the Force be praised, a different artist.
 BTW, who's writing it?


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From: sverkerw@csd.uu.se (Sverker Wiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:13:09 GMT
Organization: CS, University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu's message of 9 Nov 92 21:15:27 EST

ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>So -- Where else, if anywhere, does "THX-1138" appear in LucasFilms?

Well, this licensed sound system he uses for teh movies is called "THX".
--
Sverker Wiberg  <sverkerw@student.docs.uu.se>
  o===[----	Klia din hund p} magen.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:26:42 EST
From: Jim <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
 <2NOV199222343654@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>
 <1992Nov6.134157.15861@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>
 <1992Nov6.215529.4220@leland.Stanford.EDU> <BxFJqt.1Eu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

The empire used interdictor ships to generate powerful gravitational
fields to pull ships out of hyperspace.  Thus a ship in hyperspace cannot
pass by/through/around large amounts of matter.  Probably to plot a
course far enough away from Yavin, then back at its moon from the other side,
would have taken longer than just orbiting around the planet.

Besides... it gave time for Luke to blow it up...

-- Jim Durrell
   JXD132 @ PSUVM.PSU.EDU
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Subject: Re: Mara as Fett (OH NO)
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:09:26 EST
 <1992Oct29.125538.6053@gw.wmich.edu><1992Oct30.161331.10780@eng.ufl.edu> 
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Organization: Penn State University

In article <Bx5pnI.D1z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve
Stelter) says:
>
>jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:
>
>
>>   Perhaps Mara is Luke's sibling !!!
>
>>   After all, suppose the Emperor took some of Vader's genetic
>>material and had it cultivated, probably using some imperial lackey
>>as the mother, but then not training Mara in the art of the force.
>>   This would give him the best of Vader's abilities, but without
>>the inherent disloyalty in Vader.
>
>Not to sound overly pessimistic, but I doubt that Zahn has any more
>surprises in store for us concerning Mara's past.  If he did, he'd
>have hinted at them by now.
>
>Now, if I'D been commissioned to write the trilogy, I'd have made
>Mara the Emperor's daughter.  Ridiculous?  Think about it: you'd
>have a kid with a powerful tendency for the Force and a built-in
>loyalty for the Emperor.  It would also help explain why Mara is
>so upset with Luke for the Emperor's death.
>
>At some dramatically appropriate moment in the third book (say, with
>Mara about to kill Luke), Luke would reveal to Mara that Darth Vader
>was his father, and he'd also tell her the true story of the Emperor's
>death.  (The spirit of Annakin might even make an appearance to lend
>credence to Luke's story.)  Realizing that the Emperor's death was not
>Luke's fault at all, and realizing that she and Luke have a lot in
>common (their fathers were both servants of the Dark Side and they
>killed each other), Mara softens her attitude toward Luke and the
>two of them live happily ever after.
>
>                                --Steve Stelter
>                                  sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

  Is it common knowledge that Vader was Luke's father, or not?
If not, this could indeed be a crucial element in the Luke-Mara
relationship in TLC. However, it seems that this ground has
already been covered by Zahn, in the Mal'ary'ush business on Honoghr.



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From: boisvert@yaya.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:41:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Several times now people have posted saying that they have seen
R2D2 and C3PO in the hyrogliphics (sp?) in the map room scene in Raiders.
Could someone please post EXACTLY where this occurs.  My roomates and I spent
considerable time observing this scene on my letterboxed laserdisc, but we
can't find them at all.  Thanks.

-- 
Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: Wookiee Christmas special!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:36:43 GMT


Does anyone remember the Wookiee Christmas special which was on TV
around 1978 or so? The only thing I liked about it was an animated
sequence about somebody like Boba Fett. Who made that segment?

One funny thing about this show was that Mark Hammill was in it but
he had some much makeup on that he looked almost like 3PO.

Do you have interesting memories of this show? Was anyone else in it
from the actual film (besides Chewie)?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:54:16 EST
From: Jim <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Endor Moon?
 <1992Nov6.041113.26924@wheaton.wheaton.edu>

IN Dark Force Rising, Leia (When talking to the unborn twins) calls it
a planet....
(just another added twist)

--Jim Durrell
  JXD132 @ psuvm.psu.edu
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:59:39 GMT

paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:

>>OK let's all kill the thread about Biggs, but what about the stormtrooper
>>on the big dino? My brother, I will repeat, is a DINO freak, and insists that
>>in the theatre there exists a CLOSEUP, just likes card #24 of Topps Star Wars,
>>of the white guy on the cute green DINO. I think that there a LOT of Tatooine
>>scenes (new threads/controversies guys?), that were cut for the final edit
>>and for film continuity. 

>I saw the dino scene in Star Wars, but the dino was in the background
>where the stormtrooper picks up the metal ring and says "Look sir, droids!"

Nevertheless, other shots of the Dewback do exist that apparently were not
shown in the film.  In the Star Wars RPG Sourcebook, there's a closeup
photograph of a Dewback, and it doesn't appear to be just a blown-up version
of the shot of it we see in ANH.

                                     --Steve Stelter
                                       sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 10:52:28 -0500 
From: "Nathanel J. Barlow" <nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: STAR WARS versus GALACTICA
	<1992Nov4.132639.26466@walter.cray.com>

In message <1992Nov4.132639.26466@walter.cray.com>, Dave Peterschmidt writes:

(stuff deleted)
>Star Trek (I speak of classic ST, not the ST-wanna-be
>TNG) dealt with hard-hitting issues of the day back in the sixties,
(more stuff deleted)

And TNG doesn't deal with issues?  What about the crystal entity
episodes, where the comcept of killing something that is just looking
for food is explored--do not all creatures have a right to search for
what will keep them alive?  And then there's last year's episode where
the androgynous person fell in love with Riker--that episode dealt with
homophobia and intolerance.  I like both series, but I feel TNG is much
better done.

I'm sorry about this post.  This group is for the appreciation of Star
Wars, not a battleground for which science fantasy/fiction series is
best.  Let's keep it that way.  If you want to argue about the merits
about TOS vs TNG, go to a ST newsgroup, or keep the wars to personal
messages.  I felt, however, that TNG was getting short-changed, and that
therefore this message should be seen by all.

Nate
From: nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathanel J. Barlow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:33:27 GMT
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Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In message <BxBHnp.6vE@nic.umass.edu>, HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN) writes:
 
(stuff deleted)

>Toward the beginning of ANH, when Luke first dicov-
>ers the secret message in R2-D2( Leia begging for help to Obi-wan), he >asks
>C-3PO, "Who is she? She's beautiful." C-3PO then responds( more or
>less), "I'm
>afraid I'm not quite sure--a person of some importances I believe, sir." >What
>gives?!? C-3PO obviously DOES know who Leia is, for in one of the first
>lines of
>movie he says, "There'll be no escape for the PRINCESS this time."

(even more stuff deleted)

Who says 3PO does know who Leia is?  Just because he knows that the
Princess is aboard doesn't mean that he knows who she is.  I got the
impression the droids were restricted from certain things and didn't
really know anyone other than Captain Antilles (I know this has been
asked before, but...Wedge's father,  or older brother?  Probably never
will know for sure).  It's possible Captain Antilles told the droids
about his royal passenger, or that they were briefed since they were on
the ship running the mission (although the second option is rather
unlikely).

Nate
nb2b@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden)
Subject: New Movie Trilogy?
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:21:04 GMT



Hi, I am new to this group and hope that some of my questions can be
answered. I've just read the first book of the second Star Wars trilogy.
Its great, but what is the goal here?

1.      Are they going to make another movie trilogy as well?
2.      If so, then when, and would there be a new cast? I understand the
        second trilogy takes place aproximately 5 years after 'The Return of
        the Jedi' Since the first trilogy, most of the actors have become
        pretty famous. I doubt they would be willing to do a second Star Wars.
        So what is the deal here?




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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Robbie the Robot in Star Wars!        
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:10:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.174358.6256@gw.wmich.edu>, x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> R2D2 and C3PO in _Raiders_:  picture of actual wall with them chisled into it.

    All right, who remembers when Luke was buying the droids for his soon to be
deceased uncle. Who remembers a black tall robot being sold. Give it a pair
of arms and what do you have.... the original Robbie the Robot, star of 
Forbidden Planet and dozens of Twilight Zone episodes.

    Just my opinions (I just happen to be right all of the time) 
-- 

John P. LaRocque
4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
From: jdcollins@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:49:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Nov10.214926.5526
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Nov9.172003.6255@gw.wmich.edu>, x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.064003.18585@netcom.com>, lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>> The next time you watch Raiders, there is a scene beyond the one in the map
>> room where I know R2D2 is present.  When the Indy and Marion characters are 
>> tied to the lightpost as they open the Ark, it cuts back and forth to them,
>> and during a few of the cuts there is a distinct 'head' of R2D2 on the pole.
>> Anyone else seen this?  I've never read this anywhere, but just watched
>> the movie one day and noticed it.  Right at the top of the pole...honest!
>> 

I just checked my copy of Raiders and took a good look a the shots of the pole. 
While the object on top of the pole looked somewhat like R2's head at first
glance, it turned out to be only a lamp.
From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:52:06 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <dragon.721094044@camelot>, dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:
> In <1992Nov6.124303.3241@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>>Well, I'll be.....I watched Empire last night, and had to rewind about six
>>times, but that *IS* John Ratzenberger as the Rebel Commander.....  Hmmm I
>>wonder if there was a real large rebel general that had a preference for
>>alien intoxicants ???
> 
> Actually, I was wondering if a certain Imperial Admiral (Piett) might
> have been sighted on Earth in AD 33... it seems that Kenneth Colley
> was cast in Monty Python's _Life of Brian_... I think he played
> Jesus.
> --
> *** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
> 	"I'll just go tell them to 'fornicate off.'"
> 				--Black Adder

	Probably.  He plays a masochist in Monty Python's _Jabberwocky_,
and he's really good and really funny.

		--Dave "Y-WaBFaC" Fanjoy


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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs GALACTICA vs STAR TREK
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:54:29 GMT
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

In article <1992Nov9.150523.8740@ac.dal.ca>
mabw0164@ac.dal.ca writes:
 
>> INTELLIGENT SCI-FI
>>
>>      If you want real Science Fiction and real Science fiction stories,
>> try reading Galaxy magazine from the 1950's, something Roddenbery probably
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>> REAL SCIENCE FICTION TV
>>
>>      If you do not like reading, try watching REAL intelligent science
>> fiction TV - the original Twilight Zone, with much writing from Charles
[stuff deleted]
>> REAL SCIENCE FICTION MOVIES
>>
>> REAL ADVENTURE/SCIENCE FICTION
>>
[stuff deleted]
>> WHAT YOU MISSED FROM GENE RODENBERRY
>>
>>      Star Drekk is pretentious pablum for people who do not know science
>> fiction, science adventure or science fact. The only thing which saves the
>>
>> CONCLUSION
>>
>>      Every time you buy a Star Drekk Pocket Book from Gene's professional
>> hacks, you are taking away valuable time from reading real SF. Save your
>> money. Only the books from the 1970's (from Blish and others) are worth your
>> time.
>> --
>>
>> John P. LaRocque
>> J.LaRocque@uwo.ca
>>
I have never read such pretentious, opinionated crap in my life!  I can't
believe that someone can dismiss Star Trek so easily and still consider
themselves a science fiction fan.  One of the most important aspects of
science fiction as a form of literature is that there is room within it for
a wide range of material -- from Jules Vern to Superman, from Star Trek to
the original Buck Rogers, from Cyberpunk to Quantum Leap.  For one person to
say that only one type of literature or only one type of TV program is REAL
science fiction is unbelievable.  Sure, everyone is free to say that they
don't like something (I, personally, hate cyberpunk and I also dislike most
40's space operas), but to say that Star Trek is not REAL science fiction
is absurd.  I have been reading and watching science fiction for over
forty years.  Some of it I like and some of it I don't like, but I would never
say that, because I happen not to like something, it isn't REAL science
fiction.  I am a big fan of ST:TNG and, at the time, I was a big fan of
the old series (although I now enjoy TNG much more).  If you don't like
Star Trek, fine; but don't say that those of us who do don't know anything
about science fiction.
From: mccray@cherry.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott andrew mccray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The ? Empire
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:50:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Nov6.165018.26792
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <+g+qrcq@lynx.unm.edu> pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:
>I have a question about the Empire.  What is the name of the Empire?  As
>far as I know empires have names e.g. the Roman Empire and the British
>Empire.  Would the empire be name after the capitol planet or is it the
>Palpatine Empire?  Anyone, anyone?

The Empire (I guess it is the only one of importance, so no need for an
		identifier)
or

The New Order (The Old Republic--The New Order--The New Republic)
			Jedi	    Emperor	 Rebels after ROTJ
-- 
------------------------------------------------------
Scott McCray  (mccray@cis.ohio-state.edu)
The Ohio State University
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Subject: Re: ROTJ folks in BRAZIL
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:44:50 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <92311.022140DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.001520.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> says:
>>
>>Watching Gilliam's BRAZIL this evening, I noticed Jack Purvis (Jawa & Ewok
>>extrordinaire) in the part of "Dr. Chapman."  (I've seen the movie many times
>>before, but never really made the connection...)
>>
>>On the other hand:  IAN HOLM and IAN RICHARDSON are both in BRAZIL.  Did not
>>one of these men play the Emperor in ROTJ?  Which one?!?!

> 
> Neither of these people played the Emperor. Sorry.
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Ok.  I'll buy that, but -- who did?

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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Subject: Re: Star Wars, Star Trek, Star Madness!!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.202010.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>     Star Trek was created a good decade before ANH.
>
>While some of the episodes were repeats of previous episodes, if there
>had not been Trekkies and others who were drawn into SiFi shows, then
>there may not have been any Star Wars in the first place.
>
>     As with all literature and Fiction, there are basically two types:
>1)  The feasable
>
>2)  The incredible
>
>     Star Trek was popular because it gave those who watched it a sense of
>"Hey, mayby someday this could really happen".
>
>I mean, I like SW and ST, but let's face it:  Star Wars Technology is just
>a little on the unbelievable side.  Of course, this adds to the overall purpose
>of the movies.  A little bit of realism is OK, but too much can be deadly!!!!!!

    I'd like to know what you mean by unbelievable.  Do you mean;

           - dematerializing, atom by atom, and beaming around the universe,

           - a omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being that zings around
             the universe causing trouble,

           - or perhaps transporter accidents that turn grown people into
             children,

           - or maybe a large crystal entity that floats around the universe,
             sucking the life, off planets.

           - How about going back in time to find out what happened to
             someone's head?

           - Or how about.................

    I realize that Star Wars and Star Trek are not similar in any respects,
but I would have to say that Star Wars is a far more realistic world.  In
the Star Wars world, their is less of a reliance on computers and technology
and more emphasis on human reality and the human spirit.  Don't get me wrong,
I am a NG:Trek fan too, but I find myself watching trek and saying to myself,
"WHAT?!? That can't happen!" far more often than I did in SW.

Glenn...........





-- 
Glenn McLain, Vice President Data Information Systems Klub(DISK)
University of Texas at San Antonio
College of Business Student Microcomputer Lab
HB 3.01.04  (512)691-4586
From: sverkerw@csd.uu.se (Sverker Wiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:08:23 GMT
Organization: CS, University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: lllowen@netcom.com's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:40:03 GMT

Yes, and the Shanghai nightclub in Temple of Doom is named "Club Obi-Wan".

--
Sverker Wiberg  <sverkerw@student.docs.uu.se>
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