HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Self appointed net police...
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:32:57 GMT

>If you do not lower your defenses nothing can get accomplished.
>Please take your flames to email, you're wasting time and money.

>Take this shit to email.

God it's great to have people like this to remind us to conserve bandwidth.
Good thing he quotes 60 lines of message to add a one line comment, and has a
huge signature, without all of that I might not notice him telling me to
conserve.
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:28:56 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.cyberpunk, dmoye@bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920) writes:
>Hey, I have an interesting question...  To all of you out there who have CID
>up and running, how does it (or does it) handle call-waiting?  Does the person
>you're talking to's number go away, and the new one appear, or do you not get
>any info on the waiting call, or what??  Any help would be appreciated.

I wrote:
>I haven't tried it, but I'm sure you just don't get any info if you answer
>the phone without hanging up.  If you hang up and let it ring after getting
>the tone, I bet you do get the number of the second line.  I'll try it
>and see what happens.

I tried it.  That's what happens.  That is, you don't get the caller ID
info for the number if you answer it by flashing the hook.  But if you
hang up on the first call, then the phone rings and you do get the
caller ID info for the second call.

Curt
From: pustule@cats.ucsc.edu (Thaddeus H. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Electronic media losing it's value for artist
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:08:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Dec15.033030.24392@samba.oit.unc.edu> Michael.Kohne@launchpad.unc.edu (Michael Kohne) writes:
>In article <LmwRVB1w165w@angus.mi.org> thx1138@angus.mi.org writes:
>>Robert Hall, 
>>
>>  You are wrong about an electronic medium that is can be copied losing
>>  it's value for the artist.  Cassette tapes for musicians can be copied.
>>  Albumns can be copied onto them, and CD can be copied to DAT.  All of
>>  these are easy to copy and distribute ("Hey, can I have a copy
>>  of your new Front 242 tape?") yet, somehow, musicians make money
>>  off ot them. 
>
>Yes, they can all be copied, but none perfectly. (even CD to DAT can't be
>perfect-they have diffent sample rates, and there is usually an analog stage
>in between, reducing quality with each generation of copy). 
>
>I think if perfect copies of music could be made, then you'd have a lot less
>profit. Of mabey not, many people want to own the original album for the neat 
>stuff in the little CD booklet, as well as the music. 
>

Hmm, that's odd.  Then I guess the fiber optic cable connecting
my CD player to my DAT must have some sort of D/A converter in
it.  And yes, they do have different sampling rates.  DAT's sampling
rate is _higher_ than that of CD.  Which must be the reason for
the horrible sound degradation.  

Also, when I copy data from a CDROM onto my harddisk, I notice
that I just can't seem to get a perfect copy.  I think it has
something to do with the ANALOG cable connecting the respective
devices to the SCSI bus.  Damn!  

You know, I just love it when people talk about stuff they know
nothing about.

-SARCASM OFF-
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Electronic media losing it's value for artist
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:02:40 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

pustule@cats.ucsc.edu (Thaddeus H. Wood) writes:

> Also, when I copy data from a CDROM onto my harddisk, I notice
> that I just can't seem to get a perfect copy.  I think it has
> something to do with the ANALOG cable connecting the respective
> devices to the SCSI bus.  Damn!  

Yeah, don't those analog cables suck?  I heard that new MeGa-CD players will
have special digital power cables so there's no signal degredation from the
wall outlet.  A friend of mine who has a friend who used to work in the
electronics department of Macy's told me this.  He even said they were coming
out with new 99 times oversampling surge supressors so you can be sure to get
only the BEST power to your CD player.

> -SARCASM OFF-

'least you've got an off switch...


morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")   |   A name changes toys into tools..
Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.      |          - Skinny Puppy
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:23:11 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.cyberpunk, Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:
>I said special equiptment was involved when I first described how it's
>done... You use a modifed phone (a linemans handset will do this as well) so
>listen to your phone line as a call is coming in... You can hear what's going
>on at the calling parties end! Your phone doesn't pick this up because it's
>on hook..

I tried this on my phone tonight with a linemans handset.  It didn't work.
That is, I couldn't hear the other party talking.  I could however hear
the Caller ID tones between the first and second rings.  I'm told that
my phone is serviced by a 1A switch.

Curt Welch
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:29:06 GMT
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

[all the stuff about not answering the phone w/o recognizing the number
on the fancy caller id box deleted]

BULL.  People (and the orig. poster) will continue to answer the phone
on numbers that they do not recognize.  Nobody will ONLY answer the
phone if they recognize the number.  Human nature, curiosity, and common
sense dictate that you answer the phone - it might be the lottery,
calling to inform you that you won a million dollars if you come in the
next hour...   The legitimate use (and the use that it will see) will be
to block SPECIFIC numbers (such as the aforementioned MCI), and specific
callers.  Also it will make crank callers think twice.  As for blocking
numbers from caller-id, I think that people would still answer, unless
they had been receiving threatening calls or such.  Nobody wants to miss
that one important, life-changing call that could come at any time, from
any unknown number!
-- 
   ______________________________________________________
   | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
   | travis@minerva.cis.yale.edu || New Haven, CT 06520 |
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6682 sci.electronics:20870
From: csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:00:08 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Dec16.054235.13775@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>>Personally, I want to be able to block anonymous calls at the CO, so
>>someone calling me with blocked ID would only reach a recording... "I'm
>>sorry, the number you have dialed does not accept anonymous callers.
>>Please hang up and re-place your call with ID enabled."
>
>What will you people do if someone calls from a payphone?

Hmmm... I had planned on building some sort of smart call router whenever
caller ID became available in my area.  But I had never thought of this...


>And why do you seem to believe you are "owed" the number of the person calling?
>You haven't had it for years.

Just because we haven't had it doesn't mean we don't deserve it.

People say that caller id is an invasion of privacy.  I say that everytime
my phone rings it is an invasion of MY privacy.  The act of my answering the
phone or not, and what the other party might hear in the background, could
potentially reveal all sorts of info about myself that I might wish to keep
private.  In the past that was just the price we paid for the convenience of
the telephone.  In my opinion,  in return the caller OWES it to me to reveal
who they are.

Here's a similar scenario.  Suppose my doorbell rings.  I can look though
the peep hole and see who it is.  If the person on the other side is
carrying a case that says "Handy Dandy Brush Sales," or I just don't like
their looks, I can choose to not open the door.  Also, if you knocked on
the door and someone said "Who's there?" and you refused to answer, could
you actually expect them to open the door?

This all parallels caller id quite nicely.  If I don't recognize your number
I won't answer the phone, just like I won't answer the door if I don't like
the looks of the person on the other side.  And if you call with your ID
blocked, I wouldn't even consider answering the phone, just like it would
be totally out of the question to open the door to someone who refused to
answer when I said "Who's there?"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:39:01 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: more Re: Gibson
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10a S/N 210921

Punks? More like bullies. Okay so I screwed up, jumped the gun, no
argument there.  I won't make excuses (though I have some).  I should
have read the damned posts!! Will you please let it die? I'm sick of
seeing that old note gleefully trumpeted over and over to yell at a guy
who hasn't said anything since.  I came here [by the way it got me the
story hopefully before some of you] to find maybe forward thinking,
maybe some best-and-brightest action...well I won't moralize righteous.
But I am floored...already the Valley of the Dolls...what I thought was
NEW...I won't grow OLD with you...don't you at least, at the very least
think gibson knew e-x-a-c-t-l-y what he was doing with this, beyond the
surface?  Sorry I can't ref the article (a bbs-shell thing I swear) BUT
NEXT TIME GEE I PROMISE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
                                                  *
                                                *
                                              *
                                           *
                            **Sitting Duck**
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6601 sci.electronics:20684
From: mdk@col.hp.com (Mark Keisling)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:03:42 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdjj.col.hp.com

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> In article <1g2lufINN842@hp-col.col.hp.com>, mdk@col.hp.com (Mark Keisling) writes:
> > 
> > No, there is no way to block the service by modifying your phone.  Your
> > phone doesn't provide the number to the called party, the switch at the
> > phone company central office provides the number.
> > The switch would have to be programmed to not provide your number.
> > Only the phone company can do this.
> > 
> > Mark.
> 
> Can't you instead of blocking have the number be reported as something other
> than the number you are calling from, like the old blue/black box ttrick
> 
> Ghost Wheel

Unlikely.  The old blue/black box tricks relied on in-band signalling 
(communication on the same channel that your voice will travel on) but most
signalling these days is done out of band (separate channels are used).

This would definitely not work for a call to someone on the same exchange.
It would be hard to convince the switch that the pair of wires you're calling
in on belong to someone else.

I'm no expert on telecommunications, so there may be a hole in the system
that I'm not aware of.

Mark.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:16:21 GMT

On receiving a call with caller ID blocked, one thing you could do is pick
up the receiver and say, "If you want to talk to me, call back without
blocking caller ID," and hang up.

But could you distinguish (a) a caller who has deliberately blocked 
caller ID, from (b) a caller from a place that simply doesn't have it yet?

Seriously, the presence or absence of ID information could help you judge
how _long_ to talk to a possibly dubious call.
-- 
:-  Michael A. Covington     internet mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu :   Verbum caro
:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0358 :    factum est
:-  The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349 :  et habitavit
:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :   in nobis...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: anonymus+3350@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Cyborg Ranger (INTELLIGENCE SCOUT))
Subject: Hello everyone, we are BORG
Organization: BORG-JUSTICE ARMY #37 OF 45
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:23:31 GMT

Hello there, I am 37 of 45.

We refer to ourselves as the BORG. I speak for the collective. We are 
looking for information on hacking, cyberpunk, and cyberculture. We also 
want to establish communications with other groups so that we can contribute 
information, articles, and more.

Information is public property. The BORG will help everyone have access to 
information. When the BORG get enough money, we plan to create a BBS and 
hopefully a FTP site. We know that it will be expensive, so we are looking 
for ways to make money with the FTP site.

We want to learn and contribute. We are diverse in our opinions and welcome 
all views and pieces of information.

Thank you
#37

***********************************************************************
Cyborg Ranger * Open the networld and become one with it * #37 ********
***********************************************************************
From: loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Rules and more..
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:47:53 CDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: Society for Balrog and Nazgul Understanding and Recognition

> > **********************************************************************
> > * Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
> > *       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
> > *       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
> > *               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
> > **********************************************************************

Just something I noticed, you might want to change the adress to 
rivdell@freeside.com since we're spending SO much money to get the domain. =]


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"How can you be at two places at once,         loki@orthanc.freeside.com
         when you're not anywhere at all?"       (aka Biggles)
                   --Firesign Theater                                        
         ---Nothing's impossible, just highly improbable.---
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From: madness@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Wayne Barker)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: one source of books
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:37:02 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

The Computer Lab, Rt4 Box 54c, Louisa, VA 23093, Sells a hypercard 
stack-thing called "Beyond Cyberpunk" that is fairly good, and they just 
made some of Gibson's books on disk - they didn't mention them erasing, 
but that's possible - try gareth@well.sf.ca.us, compuserve 72531,3473,
AOL GarethB2, or Applelink Maxplace. 
I don't have a signature, so there.

--
madness@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Wayne Barker)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
After December 31, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
From: loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Rules and more..
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:09:23 CDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: Society for Balrog and Nazgul Understanding and Recognition

loki@orthanc.freeside.com (Biggles) writes:
>
> > > **********************************************************************
> > > * Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
> > > *       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
> > > *       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
> > > *               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
> > > **********************************************************************
> 
> Just something I noticed, you might want to change the adress to 
> rivdell@freeside.com since we're spending SO much money to get the domain. =]
> 
> 
Whoops!!  I meant to send mail, DANGITDANGIT.  Appologies to all...

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"How can you be at two places at once,         loki@orthanc.freeside.com
         when you're not anywhere at all?"       (aka Biggles)
                   --Firesign Theater                                        
         ---Nothing's impossible, just highly improbable.---
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Rules and more..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:20:57 GMT

That must be my problem, I have had problems figuring out the rules and
seperating them from the excuses..

In article <gFLDVB1w165w@freeside.com>, popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> 
>> Idea or rules:
>> 
>> People need to remember their own rules and live by them..
>> To many people don't even live by their own rules..
> 
> 
> Most people don't have rules, only excuses.  Then again, having rules 
> also takes a certain amount of intelligence.
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> **********************************************************************
> * Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
> *       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
> *       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
> *               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
> **********************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (gogo is insane)
Subject: Who's Who of the InterNet
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:15:44 GMT



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WHO are you?

Hi.  I publish the FutureCulture FAQ file, which is a self-described
"somewhat definitive guide to resources bringing you the future."  It
is basically an ever-growing guide to the new edge, technoculture,
cybperculture, etc., particular the relevant on-line aspects of the
aforementioned subculture(s)

One of the sections is a "who's who" of on-line 'celebrities', and
appears in the file like this:

	V. Important Person		Musician/Author 
	John Q. NetPublic		Hacker/Writer

So, if you are someone who would like to be mentioned in the file (no
email addrresses are given out), or if you know of someone who you
feel garners recognition, please send relevant info. (including a
basic summary of credentials in-case I fall knowledge-impaired) to:

      ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu

I am looking for on-line people from all walks of life, including:
hackers (in the underground sense), writers, magazine editors,
artists, musicians, DJs, NetGurus, authors, or any other
characteristic that might seperate onesself from the mass.net.public.

Thanks in advance.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: AGRIPPA
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.172355.17173@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (your unconscious mind) writes:
>
>	After seeing that messed copy on the futureculture list, I
>posted the true version in hopes that the distorted, mangled, copy
>would not get around the net. 
>

well,

	could you do us a favor and post the correct version rather
than just griping about incompetance.  I read this and proceeded to
subscribe to the futureculture list, but i guess that I am too late.

later,
phil


>    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
>


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Agrippa
Organization: Boeing
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:45:17 GMT

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
|I think Gibson is a farce!  He's just bullshitting us!  C'mon, oh! it's soo
|wonderful that he makes Agrippa, and it disappears and so do the pictures.
|He's just getting "art-sy" and making money.  Yeah, he's actually having
|fun with cyberspace, but I don't think he's so special.  Basically, he's
|got (almost) everyone here by the balls with rumors and such.  It seems
|that's about the only thing cyberspace is good for, releasing rumors very
|fast.

Correct me if I am wrong, but will not such self-erasing works become a
necessity on an electronic medium in order for artists to earn their daily
bread? Think about it: if information can be replicated and distributed at
zero cost, all knowledge loses its economic value as soon as it is released.

BTW, this guy definitely has an attitude. Does that make him CP?

-- 
 Bob Hall                   |  if [ -bs message ]; then
 Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
 root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  fi
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:30:03 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec15.163216.15077@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>In article <168BE7B9A.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.224512.103@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
>>gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>> 
>>>
>>>        It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
>> 
>>Oh! Butt-head! It appears I've hurt the feeelings of a little neo-
>>nazi freak. So what was your toilet training like? How do you
>>feel about your mother?
>>                                        -- St. Morphine
>
>
>	I don't see how being proud of my school makes me a "neo-nazi", please
>elaborate. Also do all neo-nazis you know have bladder problems or warped
>feelings towards their mothers?

Well, yeah, actually.  Why do you ask?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:12:44 GMT

allong this thread,

	does anyone know what the deal with pulse vs. tone dialing is.

my home in MA still has pulse dialing (what a pain).  will this work with
caller id stuff?

phil

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk