From: f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:23:43 GMT
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Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


>I am not tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest).  I didn't say:
->>While it might be possible for raves to happen with more housey
->>or tribal or trancey techno, I think the basic nature would be
->>changed greatly by loosing the BPM.

Hmmm... Am I correct in assuming that you don't think the house/tribal
subgenre would fit well into a rave? Personally I find it extremely dull
when listening to umpteenth Belgian acid track with same straight beat,
same bpm, same drum machine and same record label sound. I think a good
rave night ought to be build up like any regular club night in terms of
structure, i.e. ups and downs, a climax and a calm down or some variation.
But, it may be that my sentiments are just a classic case of "grass is 
always greener on the other side" (re: read on).

In <1993Jan05.221055.18843@sco.com> jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder 
Comic) writes:

->well i don't know what you'd think of a san francisco rave then.  the trend
->here has been for slower tracks (120-130 bpm).  now the big DJs are getting
->away from techno altogether and moving towards really funky hip hop-based
->stuff.

Well, Jon consider yourself among the lucky ones... Here in Finland 
the rave scene (active since '89) has recently been split up into various
clashing sub genres, none of which is very appealing to me: one has the
commercial pop-techo-rave happenings for teenagers who consume ridicilous
amounts of alcohol (MDMA is not that big here in Finland), then there's the 
total break-beat-madness-155-bpm-minimum galore and finally the 
fierce acid, head-banging continental techno genre where most of the "real" 
players operate. No house, no progressive, no trace, no tribal, no chill out!
Just 10-100 kW killer PA's, scores of monster strobes, roboscans, lasers, 
mind dominating dance platforms and anything silly you can think of. And
I have never hugged anyone in a rave in Finland, shared zilch Evian bottles,
tasted 0.000000000 milli litres of smart drinks and had about .1112 
enlightening experiences total. While I don't hate nor want to ridicule any
of the sub genres above (they do serve a purpose and are quite probably 
liked by many), I do hope that some of the original rave spirit was
left in here. Now it's just awfully "total", elitist, technically
orientated (the PA's, lights and the DJs!) & completely uninventive. 
Not even a tribal track in a rave would restore my faith.

->i've been to places where they play the blindingly fast stuff (what i call
->"nosebleed techno") and the music just sounds *violent* to me, which is
->completely antithetical to the whole idea of raving.  maybe it's one of
->those "safe outlet" kind of things - if people are jacking furiously on the
->floor, then they aren't out committing drive-by shootings.  personally, i
->find it hard to get into a happy mood when the music is insistently fast and
->abrasive.  how many times did you randomly hug a stranger at an industrial
->disco of the late 80's?

I also feel that nosebleed is not in the spirit of the original rave ideology
(well, at least the way I interpreted it). It isn't very sexy, happy nor
unifying, is it? Hypnotic it may be, but God, don't people ever get bored?


Keep the faith I'm losing it,
sZm

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