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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 07:20:53 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trivia: Strikeouts, Career & Season
 <13APR199213321821@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>

Sorry for the delay in getting back on this trivia question..

Neal Traven correctly identified Vida Blue as the pitcher with 2,000
Ks/career 300Ks/season, but never 200-299 Ks in a season.

Than Lee came up with 4 of the pitchers with 2000 Ks but never 200
in a season.  Those 4 were Wynn, Spahn, Hunter and John.  His guesses
that were not right were Wilhelm and Sutton.  Wilhelm finished with 1,610
strikeouts.  Sutton threw for 200+ Ks in 5 different seasons.

Than also nailed Jerry Koosman as the pitcher who had only one 200 K
season and hit that number on the nose.

There are 2 remaining pitchers with 2,000 Ks and never more than 199 in
any season.  Here's a hint....both pitched at one time or another during
their career for the world's greatest baseball team (the Baltimore Orioles).


Dennis Shea
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Interleague-play, anyone??
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:40:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12110
Organization: Bob Gajarsky Wallet Losing Society

In article <796@kepler1.rentec.com> andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt) writes:
>It's a Bad idea. We need to push the DH rule back in the bottle as it is,
>and the thought of playing major league baseball in that Minnesota Baggie
>makes me shudder. Luckily, the twins play in the minor league.

Andrew, do you have air conditioning in your cave?
[With apologies to Garry Trudeau]

I'll bite - what makes you think the AL is a MINOR league?

And if you are so bold as to claim that the 1989 San Francisco Giants
are the champions of THE ONLY MAJOR LEAGUE, what happened to them
against those weaklings from THAT MINOR LEAGUE?

I'll give you a hint....

STOMPSTOMPSTOMPSTOMPSTOMPSTOMPBEATMANGLEMUTILATEDESTROYPUMMELCRUSH
OVERWHELMSUBDUEANNHILATEVIOLATEOVERRUNSQUISHDOMINATE

Just a little hornblowing.  My A's are going to suck big weenie, so
I'm starting to reminisce about the glory years...

"Steinbach drills it deep left field...  Reuschel can only turn and
watch...You can tell it goodbye!"



-- 
*    Gary Huckabay    * "They sent Brosius down."  "So Lansford has the job?" *
*   "A considerably   * "Yep.  And it looks like Bordick has won the 2B job." *
*  shorter fuse than  * "I guess I better make postseason plans now." "Good   *
*    Sherri Nichols." *  idea.  Call Puget Sound Airways." - GH & EG.         *
From: lkc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Lee Casuto)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:06:27 GMT
Subject: Re: The Babe - Ugh!!!!!!
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

> Do what I do. Tape it and watch it later. That way you can not only skip the
> ads, but when all the interrupts occur ("Daddy, who was the first emperor of
> the Hanseatic League?") you just pause and don't miss anything. And yes the
> film will most likely be dreadful, but I'll probably go see it anyway.
> 

Taping's a good idea.  But seeing "The Babe" will take more patients than I 
can afford to contribute!

l\
From: niccum@cs.umn.edu (Thomas M. Niccum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Shane Mack
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:33:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr10.003317.20056
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In <8dt=3hy00WBLQ6Z1gH@andrew.cmu.edu> ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao) writes:


>Has anyone heard any news about Shane Mack?

>Hopefully he's alright.  

During today's Twins/Brewers game they showed him walking around the
dugout, dressed in his uniform.  I got the impression that he
could play, but that everyone had decided to hold him out of
today's game.

It sounded like he should be back in the lineup for the
Friday home opener, but I'm not absolutely sure.

-Tom




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>Economics 
>Class of '92                   
>Carnegie Mellon 
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From: rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:36:41 GMT
	<14277@pitt.UUCP>
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

from Ken Mitchum:

>Why does anyone care about anything? Bonilla came across to us as
>a jerk LONG BEFORE HE LEFT. Your initial point was that Pirate
>fans were made BECAUSE HE LEFT. It tried to point out WHY some
>Pirate fans were mad, and that it wasn't BECAUSE HE LEFT. Your
>response is to change the subject.
> 

I thought Bonilla was anything but a jerk when he was here. He handled
himself quite well, I thought. The only peopple I thought came across as
jerks were Pirates management. If there wasn't enough money for Bonilla,
how did it suddenly materialize for Van Slyke or Buechele? Sure looks
like they lied to us.
After this spring, the management only looks worse. I don't mind that
they traded Smiley and cut Landrum to save cash, but they should at
least admit it. They've always been more than glad to complain about
losing money before when it was in their interest. Bonillla was totally
jerked around by Pirate management - I probably would have been far less
gracious had it been me.


>>I don't have that feeling at all.  I don't think the Pirates have a chance
>>of signing Bonds.
> 
>That is probably true because they will not come up with the money. 
>I still think if they did, he might stay. Despite the tiff last
>year, I think Barry realizes that Leyland is one of the few
>managers that would put up with some of his antics. Although since
>he appears to have matured, this may be a moot point.
> 

I bet there are 26 (28 next year) managers who would be more than
willing to put up with his "antics." What are these antics anyway?
Speaking his mind, not talking to reporters, being the best player
around? 
> 
>>> When Barry leaves, everyone will miss him, despite
>>>the problems he has had, and there will be no Barry-bashing.
>>
>>Want to bet on that?
> 

I'm pretty sure there will be Barry bashing when he leaves. I hear
boo-birds already. Why boo your best player? 

>I think you have some bitter memories of your years in Pittsburgh.
>We are not all total jerks up here.

I'll reserve judgement on this 
Ralph
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From: dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:41:12 GMT
Distribution: na

chuck@mks.com (Chuck Lownie) writes:
>
>One scary thought is that a lot of Jays fans are starting to sound like
>Montreal Canadiens' fans.

(Uh... I'm not a hockey fan, but...)

...there is a big difference here: the Canadiens have won 25 Stanley Cups 
in their history, while the Jays have yet to win anything substantial 
(not even an AL pennant).  The fans of the Canadiens, therefore, have 
something to be smug about; those of the Jays, do not.

dk
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From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re:
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:45:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr10.184546.20032
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr9.033927.3632@mercury.cair.du.edu> baxtman@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Captain Chaos) writes:
>Have you seen whom the Yankees played against the Red Sox.  I think
>they aren't using their potential at all.  They benched Muelens and 
>Kevin Mass and they aren't even making Tartabull play the outfield

Why would you ever want Tartabull in the outfield?  He's the worst
outfielder this side of Gene Larkin.  Leave him at DH, it's the one
defensive position he can (barely) handle.

David Thornley
"Gene Larkin, Al Newman, Dan Gladden - real World Series experience!"
From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the Expos crush the Mets...
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:43:07 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Apr16.140055.8107@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:
>In article <dk.703128592@alcor> dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k) writes:
>>Y'know, after all that annoying gloating by obnoxious Mets fans, it
>>would have been quite approriate to rub their collective noses in 
>>it following the thrashing their team received at the hands of the 
>>expos.  It would have been easy, too... reeeaaalll easy.  But, I 
>>decided against it because I suspect that at this very moment they 
>>are experiencing a profound misery over their team's inept defense 
>>(can anyone on that team throw to first from the hole in short?), 
>>anemic hitting (most of the lineup is so weak, that Bonilla and 
>>HoJo are merely speedbumps to opposing pitchers), and ineffective 
>>pitching (was that 21-4 over three games?).  Don't make me laugh, kids...
>
>Those Mets fans can get so annoying.  There are quite a few here and
>they kept saying how they were the greatest team and your poor Expos
>won't do anything.  Imagine the satisfaction after this weekend.
>
>The Mets are not really that good a team, and despite problems with
>the Cardinals this week, I think les Expos can stay in the race for a
>while anyway.
>
>ALLEZ LES EXPOS!!!!!!


This is NOT a Expos bashing -- But it IS a Barbarie Bashing.  I heard on
the radio, That Macho-Man Barbarie is Gloating over pushing Tim Wallach
to First base.  Is that true?  All the tales I've heard, He (Barbarie),
is one  Cocky SOB, and his ego is so high (he's so full of hot air),
that he will floating out of the Expos stadium soon, just like a hot air
balloon.  And he contributed to the Cardinal victory with 2 errors.  Let
him have 2 or 3 better than average and then send him down to AAA with a
message to correct his attitude or rot.  Tim Wallach has been a very
good Baseball player and will continue to do so, and he does need to
have to put up with some  snot-nosed, egotistical brat in the majors.

That's my $0.05 worth.

Dan


>>
>>A not-so-bold prediction: barring major changes to the team's make-up,
>>another 5th place finish for the Mets.
>
>I thought 4th, but I'll buy that.  :)
>>
>>dk
>
>
>-- 
> Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
> (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
> Go BLUE JAYS  8-1    Mop up the Yanks, bring on the Slop Sox.
> CANADIENS:  First Round  vs. Hartford Whalers... give us a real team!
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Schilling/Grimsley, Cormier
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:46:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <AP0GBK77@cc.swarthmore.edu>, jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
> 	Well now that I've looked like an idiot, let me comment on a few
> things. This will teach me to post stuff before I read the paper.
> 
> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)  (That's me) writes:
> > 	Well, given that the reason Grimsley was traded was that he was
> > unhappy about being send down to the minors, it's possible that Schilling
> > may wind up in Scranton at least for a little while. If he's on the major
> > league roster, he'll probably be long relief. They seem to be fairly
> > commited to a starting rotation of Mulholland, Greene, Ashby, Abbott, and
> > Cox for a while. Jose DeJesus is expected to take an extended spring
> > training and join the roster in a month or so bumping Cox.
> 
> 	Well I was right about one thing here. Schilling is not going to be
> a starter. He's bound for the bullpen and probably will be on the roster at
> the start of the season. And, apparently all the talk that DeJesus was going
> to be in Scranton as a form of extended spring training turned out not to be
> the case. Fregosi insists that he will start the third game of the season
> against the Cubs. Well, let's hope they can take the first two and go 2-1 in
> the first series. :(
> 
> -Jeff

Well Jeff, looks like you were right in the first place. DeJesus and Fregosi
both talked about him going to Scranton for a little while on WTXF Ch 29
last night. But then UPI reported this morning in their "Transactions" that
DeJesus was put on the 15 day DL.

What I don't get is, however, what is goin' in inside Fregosi's head. He's
decided to go with Cox, who had a crappy spring, as the third starter rather
than calling up Pat Combs, who had a good spring. You know, I really like
19 out of 20 decisions that Fregosi makes, but that other 1 out of 20 is
usually, in my eyes, stupid beyond belief. Cox looks washed up to me.

pete clark jr.
att!hos1cad!seth
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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: If not Alfredo, who?
Organization: People Coming Down With A Cold, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:33:07 GMT

In article <204883@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>>Or should they try to make a trade now before they get even more
>>desperate? What are some reasonable trades they might make to fill
>>this hole?
>
>Myers to Montreal for Spike Owen.  Owen has never been my favorite player,
>but he's a competent shortstop, not yet over-the-hill, and worlds better
>offensively than either Griffin or Lee.  And the Expos are desperate for
>some decent catching, and Carter won't last much longer.  The Expos can
>bring up Wil Cordero to play short.

I like this from the Jays' point of view, since they also have Ed Sprague,
Carlos Delgado and Randy Knorr catching in the minors.  However, I don't
think the Expos would go for it, since Myers really isn't that good defensively
(as far as I can tell; anyone have numbers?).  He doesn't block the plate,
can't throw well (he had arm surgery a couple of years back), and rumour
has it that the pitchers don't like his pitch selection.

He hits better than the average catcher, though.
-- 
--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,
2235 Sheppard Ave. E. #1800, Willowdale, Ont. (dave@sni.CA or dave@snitor.uucp)
"Whatever you do, Jerry Lee Lewis has already done it.  Probably better, too."
  --Jimmy Guterman and Owen O'Donnell
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From: warrior@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Gary Carter Inc.)
Subject: Re: Camden Yards
Reply-To: warrior@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.092926.731@dvorak.amd.com> twhite@mozart.amd.com  
(Tom White) writes:
> 
> 
>    So who hit the first homer in the Orioles' new park?
> 
> 
> 
> --
>  Thomas White          | "No!  Not 'a nice guy'!  That's the kiss of  
death!"    
>  Austin, Texas         |    
>                        |    
>  twhite@mozart.amd.com |  
Paul Surrento(SP)  on April 8th
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least valuable players
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:33:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <204882@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.122338.9116@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>
>>>   Lynn Jones, OF DET
>
>>>      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
>>>   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  
>
>>My memory of Jones was that he was an excellent outfielder.  He spent his
>>entire career as a defensive replacement guy, and had no defensive
>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>[This could be the problem]

>>What sort of formula do they use to figure defensive value?  It sure doesn't
>>look reasonable to me.

>If I'm not mistaken, the earlier edition of _TB_ used games played at the
>position as the normalizing factor, thereby trashing the stats of players
>who consistently played less than 9 innings in games in which they appeared.

But also minimizing the damage...

>The second edition has made the shift (I believe) to Defensive Equivalent
>Games, based on innings played.

No.  They didn't have all the data for that, I'm sure.

So, ....drumroll.... they used PLATE APPEARANCES.  (In TB II, that is,
and with the characteristic Palmer approach of explaining the change but
not discussing it, i.e., not letting on that there might be weaknesses.

Look up Al Weis.

TB's fielding stats are hopelessly screwy, depending the way they do on
DP to such a large extent.  You're generally better off with Batting
RUns, SB Runs, and fielding reputation.

Roger
From: tatum@cs.unc.edu (Thomas Tatum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: $$ Baseball Cards for Sale $$
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:39:15 GMT
Organization: UNC-Chapel Hill Computer Science


    I have a box of 1992 Score series 1 baseball cards for sale to the
    highest bidder.  Would make a great gift for a kid. You can call
    or email anytime.
                                
___
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From: kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu (Dave Kirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:44:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr17.164410.15546
Organization: Non-'woofing wastes of skin' Blue Jay fans, Inc.

In article <204997@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
> [Talking about alternatives to Eck's five year run '87-91] 
>The closest I've been able to find are:
>
>	Dan Quisenberry, 1981-1985
>	Sparky Lyle, 1972-1976
>	Goose Gossage, 1977-1981
>	Bruce Sutter, 1977-1981
>
>I don't see any of those as being better than Eckersley's 1987-1991.

  I agree, but might I add Tom Henke to the list? Take any five years (your 
pick) from '85-91; the guy just *never has a bad year*. 

  Yr    IP   H    BB    SO   ERA    SV 
  85   40    29    8    42   2.03   13  
  86   91.1  63   32   118   3.35   27
  87   94    62   25   128   2.49   34 
  88   68    60   24    66   2.91   25 
  89   89    66   25   116   1.92   20 
  90   74.2  58   19    75   2.17   32 
  91   50.1  33   11    53   2.32   32 

  About the only year approaching being merely good in there is '88, where he
was fairly hittable. His ERA numbers aren't as wonderful as Eck's, but then 
again Henke's always pitched in a good hitters' park and he's a *severe*
flyball power pitcher. Also, I'd argue ERA isn't as important for a reliever;
I'd rather have a guy that's really tough to hit and can blow people away, 
getting out of inherited jams more often than not. '87 was an especially good
year when you consider it was the rabbit ball year.  

  Henke's overall numbers with the Jays show a 2.50 ERA, ~6.6 H/9IP allowed, 
~4.2 K/BB ratio and ~10.6 K/9IP. He's always had a good ratio of saves/blown
saves, for whatever that's worth. I just don't see anything not to like about
the guy. He's got 186 saves at this point, and should have a half-decent shot
at 300 unless his arm gives out. It's too bad he got such a late start; he's 
34 this year.  

  As a Jays fan, I hope that didn't sound like woofing. Lord knows, there's
been too much of that being done by those sacks of protoplasm. I've always 
admired Henke and would be bummed if the Jays didn't get fair value for him at
this point. I just think Ward is a little better choice as a closer; the main
difference between him and Henke at this point is that Ward has rubber arm
syndrome. He can pitch 120 innings in lots of appearances and remain
effective. Plus, he's several years younger and throws nasty gas in the form 
of aspirin tablets. 
 
-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch  ...   of the Warren Newson fan club 
kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu                          "Blue Jays all the way in '92"  
"Sportswriters mostly sit in bars and argue about things, then go home and 
 write all the clever bullshit they think they should have said at the time."
From: nedludd@ut-emx.uucp (carlos de los muertos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Maharg
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:23:03 GMT
Organization:  

In article <1992Apr1.234432.6640@newshost.anu.edu.au>, gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.181350.28632@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
> >There's some belief that "Maharg" was an assumed name of a
> > player who's actually named Graham.
> 
> Many of us will recognize Maharg as one of the go-betweens in the Black Sox 
> scandal, one of the links between the big gamblers and the players. 



Yes, isn't this that famous Archie "Moonlight" Graham guy?
From: erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: How's Scott Erickson so far?
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:57:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Apr13.235727.6535
Distribution: na
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr13.193552.11420@leland.Stanford.EDU> sigmond@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Sigmond) writes:
>I realize that this question may be a bit premature, but can any other Twins
>fans out there tell me how Erickson's elbow has held up in his two starts?
>Does he have the old fastball back, or is he looking like he did after his
>injury last season?
>
>Thanks,
>	-Steve


I'm fine, thanks.  Rooting for the Cubs this year, though.  Still getting
those kinks worked out from the ol' shotgun, but I should be mowing them 
down by May.

--Scott Erickson
Lewis and Clark College
Portland, Oregon
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From: edd@gvlf2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty)
Subject: Re: "It's outta here!"(Phillies, Murphy)
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.190559.15320@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.125357.20202@gvl.unisys.com> edd@gvlf2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) writes:
>
>>>
>>The Phills are hitting all those home runs because they're GOOOD!
>>Tied for first in the east with Pitt, the other team from Pensylvania.:)
>>Let me enjoy it for one day anyway.
>>
>
>You don't imagine that great Cubs pitching might have anything to do with
>it, do you?
>-- 
>Bill Coleman

No Bill, it's all talent on the Phillies part,  the Cubs have the
best pitching in the league :)

In the words of some fameous person, "Praise you enemies (oponents).

ed doc

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