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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SYRIAN LUNATICS
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:33:56 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec29.202934.400@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.175146.24675@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
> 
>> "Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part
 of southern Syria."
 	President Hafez Addad of Syria
 	Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974

>Firstly, it is President Hafez Assad.

Actually, it is 'His Excellency' (weak, **very** weak, smile)

>Secondly, he is abosolutely correct.

He was referring to 'Greater Syria', yes.

>Thirdly, Syria was divided and weakend to make room for the Zionist state
>that indeed occupies Southern Syria.

But we see Hafez making concessions with Israel for that occupied
Syrian land ... Perhaps what Roger quoted only seems to strengthen
Assad's position of legitimacy while decreasing the actual meaning
of Arab unity through Syria's participation in the "Peace Talks".
(Or is it *really* all for the greater glory of Hafez' pocket? :-)

Anisa

	"Find your sisters and brothers who can hear all the
	truth in what you say.  They can support you when you're
	on your way."	[Shaking The Tree]
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re:  The Question of Culture
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:08:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec27.092118.19205@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:


> I don't how you can call either texts wrong, there is no one right version.
> Both are "du'aa" not quranic. The intent in the same even though they differ
> in details.

Thank you very much. They're certainly not Quranic. Then are they
custom or habit? From what time do these customs date ? What
does it mean ? Who are the "People of Abraham" and the
"People of Mohammad"? I get confused easily :-)..

I don't understand. Please explain in terms of modern terminology
such as ethnicity, religion, nationality.

Who are the "People of Abraham" ?

Who are the "People of Mohammad"?

If the first one is 'descendants' is the second one descendants? If
the second one is 'those who follow the path/religion' is the first
one the same ?


> If the argument is about the meaning of "Aal" then the answer is family and
> not people; as in Al Saud. It refers to the extended family rather than the
> nuclear family.
> If the argument is why Ibrahim is mentioned and not Moses and Jesus, then they
> are both of Aal Ibrahim as they are descendants of Ibrahim.
> Some how I get the feeling you resent Ibrahim being in the "du'aaa"!!!?

So you're saying it's 'extended family'. And in the sense of extended
family, and if Moses and Jesus are members of this extended family,
then I suppose all the Semitic peoples also belong to this extended
family. Does this sound correct ?

So now, the Indonesians, Pakistanis and Turks are asking God daily
God's for blessings on Semites. Is this correct ?
 
Do the Semites now include Egyptians and other North Africans
because they speak Arabic? Are the Christian Semites also included ?

My original question was a very simple one. It exploded to this.
I'm still wondering what it means. Will you please answer the
questions above in a consistent manner?


> 
> Gee, I'm surprised you didn't complain about being called hubal :-)
> 
> Zeyd

It's simple. I already corrected it in the first line of my
posting. There's no need to get into a pissing contest with
people who would indulge in name-calling, if that's what it
is. If it isn't, a simple correction (as I've done) is
sufficient. Why the smiley ?
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Civilization bandwagon
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:26:31 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Dec22.035722.5502@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>Besides wine is good for humans; medically.

Give me a break, buddy.  I happen to be a Medical Doctor, and wine is NOT 
good for humans!  Well, let me clarify.  As Quran states, there is some
benefit, undoubtedly, from wine, but its evil by far exceeds the benefits.

Best Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 17:10:02 PST
From: Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Quote of the week.

In article <1hagjiINN9g7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark
Ira Kaufman) says:
>
>        JERUSALEM (UPI) ....
>        ``The Arabs are boiling mad right now. It will be a miracle if (the
>authorities) can pull this off without bloodshed,'' said Jan Willem
>Vanderhoeven, spokesman for the International Christian Embassy, an
>evangelical organization based in Jerusalem.
>        ``I prayed this morning that God will protect the Jews and the
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Christians,'' he said.
^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>      Apparently nobody has noticed this, but the deportations were
>  because of bloodshed.  Somehow this little fact is not considered
>  relevant in Mr. Vanderhoeven's assessment of the situation.  Many
>  Jews have already been killed.  There has already been bloodshed.
>  But maybe Mr. Vanderhoeven does not regard the killing of Jews to
>  be bloodshed.
>
It seems to me (see the words I have underlined) that Mr Vanderhoeven
means that it will be a miracle if the authorities can pull it off
without the Jews and Christians being attacked in a retaliatory
manner.  He seems afraid that the situation could develop into a bloody
one for all involved in it.
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: lies and speculation
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:54:36 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

some time ago i read an article on this wonderful net about how some homes
on the occupied west bank were forcibly abandoned. the writer (can't remember
the dudes name) wrote that they were homes of israeli settler because of the
holes that betrayed the mezuzas that were used. i thought about this one for
a while. this didn't seem to make sense. who has the ak-47's in the WB and
Gaza? who gets killed on a 10:1 ratio there? who gets shot at by those guns on
a 20:1 ratio? so then i thought about the scenario of a the holes in the doors.
it didn't sound like a hole from an innocent mezuza then. it sound more like
a door which was part of a house being shot at by an ak-47 from a settler who
owned an ak-47, who shot an indigenous person (palestinian) and the house was
abandoned by the frightened folk.

just speculation but more plasuible than the crap i read before
your thoughts?
zafar 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: The U.N. votes to condemn Israeli Action
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:25:08 GMT

I find it extremely interesting, and instructive, that the brethren of
the Hamas terrorists temporarily removed from the territories by
Israel are less concerned about the welfare of their brethren than
about using them as a propaganda tool against Israel.

Of course, that's nothing new, since if the Arabs really cared about
the Palestinian Arab refugees, that problem would have been solved
over four decades ago.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: TERRORISTS, MURDERERS, JEWS (was: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Date: 25 Dec 92 06:42:21 GMT
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 20 Dec 92 03:17:16 GMT, afm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Santa Claus...) said:
	
	Santa> I have just learned that 9 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army in 
	Santa> clashes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over the expulsion of the 400 
	Santa> Palestinians. One of the victims is a 7-year old girl.
	
	Santa> 	-afm
Malek.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Civilization bandwagon
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:57:22 GMT

In article <BzM58M.tr@newsflash.concordia.ca>, ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
|> 
|> As far as NonMuslims are concerned, an Islamic government will not interfere
|> in their affairs. Islamic law will not mean reducing their freedom (at least
|> in my opinion), unless of course usury and wine are considered fundamemtal
|> freedom. Well you cannot buy or sell drugs in the U.S either, most people
|> would consider this a different matter while alcohol and interest 
|> are responsible for far many death and broken families than drugs.

In an Islamic government, a Non-Muslim cannot even dream of having a poitical
career. God made vines and grapes, wine is only natural. The fact that Arabia
did not have grapes to make wine is not the fault of the Non-Muslims. Besides
wine is good for humans; medically. Interest now kills people, I wonder when
that bandit interest will be arrested and cast into hell.

|> 
|> The governments themselves are the problem not the cause of the 
|> problem. The causes of the problem are the following in order:
|> 1)The people of the country who are not motivated enough to change them.
|> 2)Current Imperialistic foreign intelligence
|> 3)Former colonial control and the way things were set up at the so-called
|> independence of those countries.

It is not worth commenting here, you do not get the point.

|> 
|> I thought the answer is obvious, because I can live as a Muslim here without
|> interference from others. You should understand from my choice that I respect
|> freedom and choice more than conservative societies that impose their way of
|> thinking on others. I refuse to live in a society where they spend 30 mn
|> every day in the T.V news talking about their King/dictator and how he went
|> to the bathroom (exageration here). Anybody who sees nothing wrong with the
|> political system in Arab countries is a pathetic worthless human being.

You could have said: Canada is a secular state that permits me to do what I
desire. Canada allows you to pursue happiness as you see fit, isn't it beutiful.
You want an Islamic state, and you prefer a secular system. Thank you for
evading the real answer. Case close.

A.Faris

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Developement of religious strata Judaism and Christianity (related to Islam)
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.014612.20051@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.041028.29184@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:
>|> 
>Is force the only means that Ibn Khaldoun is aware of. I expected a scholar
>to propose education and mentoring to prevent people from harming themselves.

see below my note about translation..

>forced conversion. It appears that Ibn Khaldoun is either right or the people
>who claim that forced conversion is not permitted are totally wrong. However,
>history shows that Ibn Khaldoun is correct.
 
First are you aware that your two propositions are identical?
It seems that that is your chosen one to begin with!
 
>
>|> 
>
>In terms of Christianity, its sole mission was to spread the teachings of
>Jesus of Nazreth peacefuly. Christianity is by nature secular and did not
>require that political figures be responsible for the religious affairs of
>the masses.

GIVE ME A BREAK!
Is that modern day christianity? well that is a new religion that
started to be preached in modern times, in some places it still is
not recognized (Serbia, Latin America, Coptic Egypt, Greece, Poland and
others.)
	
>
>
>Some scholar, he beleived the Qur'an saying that Jesus was a prophet then
>turns around and calls his teachings and message "Propaganda". I wonder if
>the God of Islam is the same God of the other religions?.

 It is the translation that is saying that, not him. He never spoke English,
and his original word probably was DAAwa (preaching) which the tranlator
(Probably a westerner) translated as propaganda.
I advise everybody to take all of this Muqaddimah translation with
a lot of salt (not only one grain). In this area of humanities, honesty
is a very rare commodity, let alone objectivity.
>
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:48:52 GMT
	<1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec30.060745.1957@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 30 Dec 92 06:07:45 GMT, abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) said:

Tamer> In article <1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
>
>  Hamas stands for "Harakat al Muqawamat il Islamiyyah", which means, the
>Islamic resistance movement. It was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin three
>or four years ago. It represents the Muslim Bretheren in Palestine. The
>founder is sunni. The organization is an Islamic organization whose aims
>include providing an Islamic support organization for Palestinians, resisting
>Israeli occupation, the liberation of all of Palestine and the establishment
>of an Islamic state.

Tamer>It is nice to know the Muslim Bretheren support the killing of an unarmed
                                                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~
Tamer>hostage without convicting him of any particular crime, *and* claim it is
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are completely lost if you think that when HAMAS capture a SOLDIER 
and ask for the release of AN ELDERLY HANDICAPPED PRISONER for his exchange
or would kill him, then if the demands are not met they will kill him
and leave his weapons with him or what are you suggesting?
The conviction was made when they declared Jihad on the occupier long
time ago.

Tamer> Islamic!
Tamer> Tamer Abdelgawad
Tamer> P.S.  Happy holidays everyone :-)
Do you think that those Palestinians on the Jabel ElZZOUHOR are
included in your greetings.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PEACE LOVING RABIN
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:19:42 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver


	"The first priority is to use force, might, beatings."
		Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin
		(New York Times, Jan. 23, 1988)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: SYRIAN LUNATICS
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:51:46 GMT


"Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part
of southern Syria."

	President Hafez Addad of Syria
	Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974

...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Hamas
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:58:01 GMT

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

> Did the Israeli court have any evidence that these people
> are Hamases?  How is it possible to convict 418 people in less than
> an hour of being members of Hamas?

The court has not yet heard the appeals from the terrorists.  So far,
they only ruled on the legality of the procedure.

If it turns out that any were temporarily deported in error, the court
will order that they be permitted to return when their appeal is
heard.  In the meantime, they'd be much more comfortable if their
brethren in Lebanon were more interested in their welfare than in
scoring propaganda points against Israel.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6129 talk.bizarre:43261 soc.culture.jewish:24365
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: **HOW TO AUTOMATICLY POST LIKE HAMZA SALAH!!!**
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:24:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) says:

>become a jedi Hamaz and can go to hamas rallies and pass out racist
>material jam packed with lies.  You also get a dinner date with Hamza
>himself.  Think about it, ladies: "Hamza dining and dancing with *you*!"
>Oh, the thrill.
>hugs and kisses,
>a zionist pig monkey boy

Wait til Sheik Yerbouti hears about this!
He gonna kick yer bazoongas, monkey boy!!

-- 
=======================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=======================
From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Subject: Re: amt of time to pray
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:17:11 GMT

In <1992Dec23.014817.2779@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:

>I know that Islam calls for prayer 5 times a day, but what I haven't found
>any of the books that I've read is approximately how long each session of
>prayer lasts. Could someone please supply me the info?

>Randy Finder

Prayers of Muslims are formal. Each prayer consists of a number of
formal units (Rak'a). A formal unit consists of a -standing, bowing,
standing, prostration twice, and you say some words or readings at each
stance.

The length of the unit depends on what you say and on what you read.
you could finish a unit in one minute if you say and read the minimum,
and if you like, you can spend hours.

The five prayers differ in the number of units they comprise. Also each
of the five prayers consist of a compulsory part (Fardh), and an
optional part (Sunnah). So the length of the prayer depends on you, on the 
number of units of the prayer, and wether you want to pray Sunnah or not.

Ahmed.


-- 
Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Tel: office: +353-1-7021524,  Home: +353-1-937402.
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:31:52 GMT
	<1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<MALEK.92Dec30133252@mimosa.pi.titech.ac.jp> <2499@itexjct.jct.ac.il>
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 30 Dec 92 06:09:21 GMT, jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Joel Jacobsen) said:
	
Joel> malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:

>The founder is physically completely handicapped, and is in prison in
>occuppied Palestine. He is now very ill and losing his sight and hearing
>due to imprisonment conditions. 

Joel>  He has a private nurses and doctors in jail. I wonder what relation will
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This encourages all Hamas members (and all Palestinians for that 
matter) to enter Jail, as they cannot get these treatment in GAZZA or 
the WB or anywhere else in occuppied Palestine.

Joel> A Jewish soldier find in a HAMAS jail.....

The handicapped hero in question was not a soldier, he was sentenced
to LIFE IMPRISONMENT and 15 years BECAUSE OF HIS SPEECHES in the land
of the only  democracy in the middle east.
A Jewish soldier will get only what he deserves from Hamas. 

>he was sentenced by a military tribunal
>to life  imprisonment and 15 years on  16/10/1991. The colonial forces
>don't allow him to perform an operation for his eyes.

Joel>As far as I know it's not the true. He have FULL MEDICAL CARE in the jail.

It is very easy to say that. But if you really think that he is getting
full medical care then you should join the campaign to allow him have
an operation to his left eye (the only eye that he still can see with).
 One question, why the Jewish state preferred the killing lastly of
a poor GENERAL rather than releasing the ELDERLY HANDICAPPED ILL prisoner.

>Where everyone including Jews can live in peace in Palestine.

Joel>  I leave in the so called 'occupied teritories'. I guess you call pease to the

First there is occupied Palestine (I don't know of occupied territories).

Joel> situation which every one MUST carry a gun to protect his life in the roads.
Don't worry HAMAS will help you get rid of those guns..make sure to 
cooperate when they take them from you.

Joel>  Only arabs drive (crazy I must say) with car windows open. Jewish peoples 
Joel> are worry from stones.

When you legalize your stay in Palestine under an Islamic state you
will not have to worry. As you can see right now the European, American
Russian Jews are staying illegaly in Palestine, so they get not only 
stones but the worse is coming...

Joel>      Joel

Malek.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:39:45 GMT

In article <1hsejcINNf3k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> Stop your lies about Islam and muslims.  I would like you to give me
|> where in a Quran it says what Hamas is doing is wrong.

My understanding of the Qur'an it says the following which supports Tamer's
argument: "Kill those who try to destroy your faith". In this case his argument
is based on the fact those Jews being killed by HAMAS are not destroying
Islam they are rather occupying Palestine and that is a political conflict
not a religious one.

|> 
|> You're either one of these two , a jew or a christian who hates Islam and
|> muslims -or- some idiot who just doesn't know what he is talking about.

I think the time has come for you to calm down. Christians do not hate Islam,
you are being educated by Christians and with books written by Christians.
Christians hate do be discriminated against by Islam, and this is a fundemantal
issue that you always fail to comprehend. Christians hate the fact that Islam
calls them "INFIDALS" when you are told to respect the Christian faith.
Christians hate the fact that Islam calls them "Nejis" (dirty) when you are
told to respect their faith. Christians hate the fact that Islam blocks them
from participating in the political process to protect their land and families
and be as productive as Muslims. I suggest that you read and educate yourself
so that you know what are you talking about also.

|> 
|> If these two don't fit your description, prove otherwise.  
|> 
|> I would like you once to respond to a jew post, or is it really these
|> muslims who you are after. huh?

I think he is being objective and honest about his interpretation of his
Islamic faith.

|> 
|> Muslims don't have holdiays at this time of the year.
|> However, it is ok if you're christian to say it for non-muslims.

What is wrong with being festive?.

A.Faris