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From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Re: Problems with Sun-3 Shoebox Hard Disk Project
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Distribution: WORLD
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:15:11 GMT

In article <RALPH.93Jan21125856@cubitus.laas.fr> Ralph.Sobek@cerfacs.fr writes:
>I am trying to interface the shoebox from a Sun-3 workstation to my
>Mega 4 ST.  Unfortunately, I do *not* have any docs on the Sun-3
>shoebox. 
>
>I am using an AdSCSI host adaptor and I have both ICDBOOT 6.0.2 and
>6.0.3.  ICD sees the controller and reports:
>
>	0  EMULEX MD21/52    ESDI
>
>The drive is a Micropolis 1325.  When I power up the shoebox LED 3 of

The 1325 is an MFM drive, not an ESDI. You could use an Adaptec
ACB4000 to run the 1325.

If you had a 1355 drive, that drive *is* an ESDI drive, and would
work with the MD21.

../Steven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (maximum entropy)
Subject: Re: Coexisting hard drives
Organization: Not Proud Programmers
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:55:20 GMT

In article <TQZ0HDL@math.fu-berlin.de> hohmuth@freia.sax.de (Michael Hohmuth) writes:
>The device which it boots off is always device number 0, no matter where
>the device is in the chain. So be sure you give your Toadfile a device address
>different from 0. (To be more correct: It boot from the first DMA device it
>can read and execute a boot sector from.)

Will it be obvious how to change the device address of the Toadfile?

>The ICD software is compatible to AHDI, so you will be able to access your
>AHDI-formatted partitions while running the ICD driver. 
>
>I think it's not nessecary to boot from your Toadfile. You could install 
>the ICD booter on your Megadrive and then boot from it. In this case, you 
>would not have to change your Megafile's device number (which, as I heard,
>is even impossible with some older Megafiles).

Will ICD Cleanup be able to cope with the AHDI partitions?  If my
Megafile's address can be changed, where are the appropriate switches
or jumpers to do it?

Thanks muchly,
entropy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: bcc@lanai.Eyring.COM (Brian Cooper)
Subject: Need PC DITTO II technical info
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:06:39 GMT

When Avant-Garde went belly-up, they orphaned a product that worked.  I have
had some success disassembling the binaries and patching them to do a little
customization, but it would really help to have some of the technical spec on
the PC Ditto II hardware and/or software.  Does anyone have information on
either on these, either from the original company or through reverse 
engineering?  What is the legal status of a product after its originator
abandons it?  One of the things promised when we bought PC Ditto II was that
there would be software upgrades.  Obviously, we can't get blood from a stone,
but if the technical info were released to the public domain, it would be nice.
Or am I the only one left who still uses an emulator instead of a cheap PC?

-- 
Brian Cooper	bcc@Eyring.COM
Eyring Corp.	+1 801-375-2434 or 1 800 YES PDOS
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: MiNT, which way forward...
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:43:51 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:

>2) People who are looking to use MiNT as the basis for a cheap substitute
>	for Unix as a development environment and possibly as a multiuser
>	service.

For this, there's only one way to go: POSIX.1 compatibility.  If that
is indeed achieved for the ST, the amount of software running on it
should increase a lot, anyway.

As far as cheap development goes, Linux already offers a POSIX -
compliant environment on reasonably cheap hardware.  As an example,
the development of the GNU FORTRAN takes place on a Linux box.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: Edward.Visse@wblab.lu.se (Edward Visse)
Subject: AutoSwitch Overscan/Spectre-(Q)
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Organization: Wallenberg Lab. - University of LUND
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:01:17 GMT

Hi atarinetters,

I read some posts about the overscan. Nobody seems to know if it will work
with SpectreGCR. The most definite answers were guesses. Is there somebody
out there with a conclusive answer??? If so, please response.

Edward
From: imr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian M Rae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: After Dark challenge
Date: 19 Jan 93 19:07:48 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

In article <1993Jan19.130003.42667@urz.unibas.ch>, minidis@urz.unibas.ch ( Capt.J.T. Kirk ) writes:
|> I know for sure that there is a commercial After Dark version on the Atari.
|> You can write your own modules if you can program in C.
|> A company in Germany sells it for 99.- ! :-(  DM (Deutsch Mark). 
|> The german magazin ST-Computer tested it in their 1/93 issue if I remember
|> correctly.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Alexander                                <minidis@urz.unibas.ch>
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------

For that sort of price you could get the Warp 9 screen accelarator which has much
more besides an After Dark-a-like screen saver. I've mangaed to write a few
things for it and overall they are relatively easy ( courtesy of good
examples...). I use this all the time and it has improved the quality of life
under TOS 2.06 no end!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO)
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030... FAQ...NOT
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:34:49 GMT

In article <1jooboINN28i@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT) writes:
>From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT)
>Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
>Date: 22 Jan 93 12:12:40 GMT
>jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
>
>>These days the atari and amiga people are arguing which computer have 
>>the fastest cpu (Falcon 030 versus A1200). The 68030 have better performance 
>>than a 68020 when placed in an equal arcitecture. Additionaly the A1200 runs
>>at 14.4 Mhz, wheras the F030 runs at 16Mhz (i realy think its 16.01xxxMhz)
>>giving it a extra 10% over the A1200. Summing it all up, my bet is that
>>this is a dead race!
>
>Shouldn't that be 16Mhz - 25% ?
>
>Also the Falcon doesn't have the custom graphics chips that the 1200 has,
>so its going to be slower still. Remember the ST 68000 was faster than the
>the 68000 used in the Amiga - yet most Amiga games ran faster than their ST
>counterparts - because everything had to be done by the CPU in the ST.
>
>I can't see much changing - musicians will go for the Falcon, the general 
>public will go the 1200. In Europe its the games that sell machines, and 
>with its better graphics specifications, Atari marketing and the well known
>Amiga name, the 1200 will wipe the floor with the Falcon (when/if it becomes
>available).......NOT

Games sell machines in Europe? Here are three questions for ya.

1. Have you ever been read a German computer-mag. Games what is that??

2. Do games sell machines in Europe just because they do so in England?

3. Did the IBM-PC have good games in the 80's? Did it sell anyway. Did it 
   sell more than Amiga?

4. Is the A1200 any good without any Fast-ram? Does fast-ram cost money.

5. Does the A1200 have a DSP to make stunning zoom-effects.

5 1/2. Does the A1200 have 16-bit sound. Does a 16-bit A1200 card cost money?

6. Does the A1200 work properly? Is Amiga 1200 a quality product or a rush 
   job?

7. Is it better to launch a product with lots of faults or wait untill the 
   machine works properly?

8. Are there any "A1200 only" games out there yet. If not what's the use? 
   Games sell machines don't they?

9. Are everybody sick and tierd of all this questions now?

10. Have anybody discoverd that I have written more than three questions?

11. Do everybody want me to stop now?

12. Do you think I will?

To all those who answerd "YES" on question 12.... You were right.

Party on dudes

Greetings from

Rune Hyldmo

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: PC VS ST
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:11:34 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
: [...] 
: A DSP has a VERY limited instruction set, highly optimized toward
: multiply and shift operations, the kinds of things you'd want
: to do to a stream of real-time signals (ie: audio or video)
: It CAN'T do the things a math-coprocessor can do, so its use
: as a "co-processor" would be extremely limited.

Ermm... If you're talking about DSPs in general, have a look at the
DSP96K first, and tell me if it can do what a math coprocessor can
do or not! :-) BTW, I have quite a few assembly examples for the 56K
for floating point operations etc.

: It would be almost worthless as a graphics blitter in addition
: because it has a limited memory space available to it, and has
: no direct access to video memory.  All I/O would have to be done
: over the bus, ie, too slow for much use as a graphics blitter.

[I assume you mean the DSP56001 in the Falcon here]

True, for moving around large amounts of memory it's useless - on
the other hand, since the transfer rate to main memory is approximately
1Mb/s (haven't tested it myself), it would do for very complex graphics
operations, such as eg. Phong shading in several frames (5-10) per
second (eg. in 320x240x64K).

: >Parallel processing (ahem 8-)  Running (from memory) 3 processes in
: >parallel (at the same time).  Giving high quality multi-tasking
: >capabilities if it's used correctly!

3 processes in parallel??? Since when?

: Only if the process (DSPs don't multitask, it would be pointless
: on a chip designed for highspeed manipulation of data streams)
: was something useful.  If it was doing something like processing
: video data while the main CPU ran something else, it could
: be called parallel processing, but you couldn't do anything like
: running two general purpose programs in parallel.

Well, noone was talking about *general purpose* processes. But it would
be very useful eg. for compressing data in the background, playing a 
Tracker-module without wasting CPU time etc.

: (DSPs could of course be run in parallel, if the computer was
: designed to handle more than one.)
:  
: All the other applications mentioned would make good use of
: the specialized power of the DSP.

-MY
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 00:21:51 MST
From: <ICRTB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject:    Setting up mint


I am having trouble setting up mint to work with the Manager program. I want
to be able to run something like TCSH in a window. I keep getting a "can't get
a pky error" or something to that effect. I figure it isn't setting where to
find the MGR program, and I am not sure of the proper set up for the mgr.rc
file. I did manage to get it working once by putting it on a disk, instead
of hard drive and both Mint and MGR in the same directory. It then loaded
TCSH when I opened a window but gave a Mint error and crashed. Without
manager I was able to get TCSH working. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank You,
Chris Wentling
GR8902@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU via ASUACAD newsreader
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Yes, SXs are dogs
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:13:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan21.200036.21859@microsoft.com>
  <1993Jan21.231335.14371@umiami.ir.miami.edu>

Mark Santora writes:


>   Not to flame, but there is nothing liek the real thing...  And at $229, w
>ROMS, I could get another Ste...

Umm.. not to flame, but why would you want to buy a GEMulator without
ROMs, when it comes with TOS 2.06...?
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:58:35 EST
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari Monitors for Sale

Atari Monitors for Sale:

     Atari SC1224 color monitor:       $125
     Atary SM147 monochrome monitor:   $125

     Shipping details can be worked out, drop me a line if interested.
------------------
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: tp
Organization:  One of these days for sure
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Subject: Re: All these wars...
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:44:00 -0800
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In <1993Jan21.134856.9418@email.tuwien.ac.at> nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
	(Marinos Yannikos) writes:

>dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>: >I agree! A comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy group should be
>: >created as soon as possible!

	I know the attribution's screwy here, but one point I'd like to
mention in case it actually makes it to an official RFD. If an advocacy
group is formed, it should probably be called comp.sys.atari.advocacy,
as the atari hierarchy will be the root if the falcon arrives, and I'd
hope it doesn't make sense to have a seperate advocacy group for the
falcon. In fact, after the Falcon is released, I'd expect traffic in the
*.st groups to diminish.


-- 
		 John Henders
		 Vancouver,BC
From: giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Right!  More Picture Conversion stuff!
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:20:57 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

It doesn't seem too long ago when Amiga users said the atari didn't have
anything to give.  I also find it kinda ironic that Photochrome does a 
better job at displaying raytraced pictures from a certain raytracer
than what the amiga does.
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Spectre 3.0 & apple file exchange?
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:27:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


Has anybody tried/gotten to work the apple file exchange program on the
Spectre? I want to convert a prodos 3.5" disk to mac. Where do I get the
afe program, and what system do I need to run it?
-Steve
selick@csa.bu.edu
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST and FAX (questions)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:01:50 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <C1CIK4.5Jz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
>
>	I really want to get a FAX modem running on my atari.  What is the
>best way to go for modems?  Is a 2400 data 9600 fax modem adequate?  Do I
>really need a full blown 14.4k FAX modem?  What about software?  I hear
>Joppa has good s/w... can someone give me their address and phone number
>and relate any experiences with this s/w?  What other s/w opions exists?

I really like my SupraFAXmodem with V.32bis, so I'd recommend it.  You could
also go for the slower speed version with V.32 (9600).

Charles Smeton, the programmer for Joppa's Straight Fax, recently bought the
rights to it and started his own company, NewSTar.  Support on GEnie is 
excellent.  Unfortunately, I don't have a phone number or address for it.
It's good software too. :^)  I'm not aware of other fax software for the
North American market.


-- 
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From: moffatd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Darren Moffat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC DITTO
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:05:28 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

jat@cch.coventry.ac.uk (STBW) writes:

>This is a problem someone has asked me, I've never used pc ditto so I can't
>really answer it, so I figure one of you lot maybe able to help !

>> I have got an atari st and a copy of pc ditto, when emulating dos the 
>> *&$%$%# thing will not allow me access to my beloved hard disk!!!

Try using the Setup program (can't remember what it is called)
Also tru checking to see if your HD is setup to 1:1 interleave
cause if it is you've not much change of using it under DOS.

I've only ever used PD Ditto on a floppy system (Very slow)
So I'm not sure of the exact config.

Darren

-- 


Darren J Moffat
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bossoj@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (Joseph Charles Bossolini)
Subject: ADVOCACY Re: A1200
Reply-To: bossoj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:22:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150322.2869@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
|> This is not meant to start a flame war, and it is probably best to resist from
|> following up if at-all possible.
|>   I thought a few ST users (and would be Falcon users) would be interested to
|> know that there are several problems with the A1200.
|>         1) The modulators have a habit of failing after an hours use.  One guy
|> in c.s.a.h is on his 4th because of this problem, and several others have had
|> more than one replaced.  As far as I know this problem has not been ironed out
|> yet.
|>         2) Misc. display glitches.  These appear on all machines when using
|> certain monitors and the problem looks here to stay.
|>         3) Under-powered PSUs.  Some early ones cannot handle HDs.
|>         4) Keyboard problems.  This appears to be a serious problem, which
|> might not be fixable.  Symptoms are keys sometimes not responding and keys
|> registered as pressed after one pressed later is.  This basically means you
|> can't use the machine for wordprocessing unless you can't type.
|> 
|> The other problems I reported earlier seem to have been fixed now.
|> 
|> - Leo

I also do not want to start a flame war, but let me put in my two cents
(since everyone else seems to have already put theirs in!!!):

I think Atari should make sure all the Falcon's coming off the assembly line
work 100% (which is why there is a delay, I have been told!) so they won't
end up with the problem that seems to be occuring with the A1200.

I think it is better to release a _rock solid_ product late, than to release
a faulty product early;  Then the public will know your products work
but only expect them to be shipped later than announced.
 (i.e. which is the lesser of the two evils...)

Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: an atari IBM
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:39:56 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:

> In <iXPuXB3w165w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
> 
> > If you do not want to do it yourself there is a great kit from "CT" in
> > Germany.  I have written an article in Z*NET back in 1989 about how to
> > convert your ST to an IBM case and the pros and cons. 
> > 
> > This is why I jump into the Atari is NON upgradeable flame all the time.
> >
> > Jon Clarke                                                     Z*NET Pacifi
> 
> Do you still have the article you wrote Jon?
>  If so, please post it... seems a few people are interested in doing it.
> 
 
 I will have a dig around here for it Craig.


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From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Falcon - Why I'm buying it...
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:03:50 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

In article <H.ea.SdgbDf2LkYI@yonder.equinox.gen.nz> craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz writes:
>In <2B5BE474.7012@news.service.uci.edu>, Joachim Vance writes:
>
>>  Do tell.  Why would that be that the ST couldn't do what the amiga
>>is doing?  (in my definitions ST includes ST/E/TT, amiga includes
>>500-4000).  What software/hardware differences do you see that limit
>>the ST from what the Amiga does in their case.  Just wondering.
>>  My understading is that it is possible (and has been done) to
>>connect an ST to the net "live" with TCP/IP protocols.  And that it's
>>also possible to have multiple serial ports for multiple dial-in
>>lines.
>>  What am I missing?  I'm not asking what the amiga can do that the ST
>>can't, just why you think that the ST can't in this scenario.
>
>Ok, well for a starter can the TT multitask to run 4 nodes on a BBS, and
> run TCP/IP for a live net connection at the same time, while also batching
> news for their 40-50 nodes? (there HD light's must never turn off!!!)
>Can a TT have 5 serial ports? I though it could only handle 2?
>Is the software available?

The TT hardware can handle all of the above (except the 5 serial ports,
unless you got a VME Bus card for the extra one). As for software MiNT would
handle the multitasking, four BBS nodes.. no problem. Batching news... the
only bottle-neck might be that the filesystems are currently only single
threaded. TCP/IP is being worked upon. By the way, the TT comes with 4
serial ports as standard.

My TT at the moment looks more like a BSD machine. I switch on, MiNT boots
into multi user mode with a number of daemons running, then a getty is
placed upon each of the serial ports allowing up to four interactive
sessions.. what more do you want? Oh yes, the GCC libraries are very
BSD-like also, it's almost compile and play for most unix C source.

>
>I'm only assuming the TT can't multitask 4 bbs nodes, the live internet
> link & batch news for nodes at the same time.. i'd like to be told
> otherwise?
>
> Craig.
>
>
>-- 
>* Craig Shore.  Phone (Voice) +64 3 3852501  * 
>*  Email:craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz  or  shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz  *

I thought you'd just like to know some correct info.

If you're happy with your Amiga, that's fine with me.. I quite like them
myself, though I wouldn't go out my way to use one, that's just my
preference.

Steve
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