From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: This is OUTRAGEOUS...
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:48:22 GMT

<1992Nov20.140127.90@uoft02.utoledo.edu> cse0115@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
><1992Nov14.011059.7058@cs.mcgill.ca>, costin@cs.mcgill.ca (Costin RIZAN) :
>> <1992Nov12.201653.20426@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>		November 11, 1992:
>>>Bill Clinton (President-Elect) was at the Arkansas War 
>>>Veterans Memorial Service today.
>>>THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. A DRAFT DODGER "honoring" war
>>>veterans with his presence? 

I would ask Mr. Chaney how many "wars" he has served in?  A lot of women
honor war veterans, and they have never served.  There is a difference
between refusing to defend your country and refusing to serve your country
by defending some other country.

>>>Okay, okay. Let's just put this in perspective. 
>> 	Just because he didn't agree with the war it doesn't mean that
>> he doesn't respect and honor those that fought and died iin it.
>> 
>> 	He's never demonstrated against the soldiers themselves to my
>> knowledge. Just against the politicians that sent those people to die
>> in a dubious war. 
>> 
>	Did he demonstrate against the politicians, or against the WAR?
>Demonstrating against the war, politicians, or soldiers, what is the
>difference?  

Since you are/were a soldier I would think you'd know the difference.  I
would think you'd understand demonstrating against some old man in his
ivory tower determining what "acceptable losses" should be in order to
secure some hill somewhere.

>             What will he do to draft dodgers if there is a war during his
>term?  Send them to Moscow for a Peace March?

First, the draft is debatably un-Constitutional.  Secondly, the Vietnam
"War" was never officially declared a war.  It was known as a police
action officially.  Thirdly, many people (myself included) would fight to
defend this country.  This country hasn't been threatened in my lifetime
(30+ years), actually since Pearl Harbor.  I wouldn't want to die
defending my *own* country, let alone some other country.

>	I have served MY COUNTRY for SIX AND A HALF years, three years active
>with a tour in the Republic of Korea.  I hate war.  My reserve unit did not get
>called because of the timing of the cease-fire.  Any abled body male citizen
>who does not serve when called should not enjoy the freedoms that exist here
>because others were willing to go.

Eat dirt.  Who are you to decide who deserves freedoms and who doesn't?
"Serving your country" does not equal "defending your country".

>	Clinton is a poor example of an American and has no bussiness being the
>commander in Chief of the U. S. Armed forces.

Clinton at least had the conviction to stand up for what he believed in.
I applaud the effort of the men and women who are in our military by
choice.  I also applaud those people (Clinton among them) who, by sticking
to their convictions, were able to get the war stopped.  This country was
founded on revolution, bucking the system, questioning authority.  Maybe
you should reread the Constitution to understand that we have a right and
an obligation to object to our government actions if we find them wrong
and to over-throw it if need be to retain our freedoms.

>	Perhaps if we had a mandatory 2 year enlistment, many people would feel
>differently about this after their enlistment.

Mandatory enslavement is not exactly what the USofA stands for.  Why fight
for freedoms that you are so willing to give up?  You really like
fighting for the "right" to be enslaved by your government?  Give me a
break.


Gordon
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