HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky "$120" hall)
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:51:26 GMT

In article <1dgnl9INNrh5@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>Well, the new testament NEVER mentions homosexuality.  You'd think that
>if homosexuality was such a horrible thing then Jesus would have
>mentioned it at least once.  I mean, if you read the new testament you
>find that Jesus talked about EVERY bad thing you can imagine but he
>never once talked about homosexuality.
>
>So, if some fundy says the OT is bogus and we should concentrate on
>the NT, they're asking for trouble.  (and maybe a date!)
>
>Tom


ok    i admit it...   i have never actualy read the bible (i have an allergic
	reaction due to 9 years of catholic school).
but the fundy that i speak of claims to read the Bible every night and gave me
	a vauge referance to a passage in the NT when last we 'discussed' the
	topic (i am not out to him).  the passage, supposedly, mentions the
	evils and sins of 'men with men.'  yes it does, again supposedly, 
	alude to sex and mentions sleeping and a bed.
next time we discuss...  i'll ask him for the exact passage.   i am looking
	foward to our next 'disscussion' since i feel that i have more ammo,
	thanks to a friend, this group and others.  i might even come out for
	the shock value.

-simply noid

ps  he was most deffinatly NOT asking for a date....   :-)
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: wups!
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:22:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1dpi1tINNips@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>Q:  how many of soc.biers are married?  just curious.
>
>js

I'm married, too.

Peggy
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: My inner man
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:38:23 GMT

In article <DAMIAN.CUGLEY.92Nov12175352@pierrot.comlab> Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) writes:

Damian!  The mystery man!  This is the first time I've spotted you
posting since the summer when i visited Oxford.  Just wanted to say thanks
for the illicit punt.  Was a good day out.  Shame you couldn't make it.

>If you like short words, "fuck" originally referred to penetration
>exclusively (fuck = plough).  This requires the person you are

No no no!  I *will* not get involved in this argument again.
Excuse me while I sit on my fingers.  Kay can field this one if
he likes since the saxon is closer to the Dutch anyway.

G
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.170758.10738@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
|orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
|:[On ways of outing oneself to friends and family]
|:    (evil orcish grinning)  There's always option C), where you
|: borrow back a Good Vibrations catalogue, tell them you're gonna
|: make an order, make the order, and let them look up what you
|: ordered in the catalogue.  I didn't do this with my parents, but
|: my best friends got a whiff of me not being vanilla (or, at the
|: very least, a realization that what I call vanilla is just possibly
|: not what the rest of the world calls vanilla...) 
|
|Ah, well.  Some of us caught the tang in the air of something distinctly
|non-vanilla about you just a wee while ago, my sometime-evil Oricish
|friend!  As for these newly-enlightened people, I suspect the problem
|may be more that they think of you as King of the Orgies, given the
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  (Which is amusing, since I get moderately uncomfortable in any
sexual situation where there are more than three people involved)

|sheer amount of stuff that was on the early draft list I saw!  More than,
|say, one evening's worth, no?  Unless you're entertaining the Harlem
|Globetrotters or the Vienna Boys Choir for a night ...

   Well, some of that stuff is reusable, and some of it's gonna be
a gift, so I can explain the sheer quantity away by pointing out
that it's not all gonna stay in Chez Orc for the amusement and
delight of friends and lovers.  (And, after all, it could have been
worse; think of just how much more extensive the list would have
been if dildos were affordable ;-)  Once you write off the
interesting things, it just becomes a fairly large lube order, and
what could be more vanilla than lube?

   Just think of what the order would have looked like if I had a
serious interest in BDSM, instead of a partner-specific interest...


|hugs
|Mike, who admits to being the original owner of that particular catalog,
|and considering the summum of what it was exchanged for, is quite happy
|to live without it for a while

   If you need more, just let me know and I can make the
appropriate deliveries when I return from my next trip to the
UK.  (And for the life of me, I don't know what became of that
catalogue; I don't appear to have it, and if you don't have it, I
suppose we must have left it in the pub when we left on Tuesday...)

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ shameless e-slut
                 \/

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Really blatant flirtation               
Summary: Blatant, but subtle, as befits my meek and demure exterior
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:14:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.202905.16713@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
|A 45% purity score? 53%? Feh! I spit on you all! I currently stand at
|96% (but would love any chance to lower that).

   96%?

   (blink)


   Wow.  That's impressive.  Which test did you use to get that one?
(Hell, I thought that 45% was distressingly pure.  Obviously I've
been hanging out with exceptionally gifted people <well, with one
or two of them, I already *knew* this>.)

   Wow.

   Where is princeton, anyways?

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ shameless e-slut
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: accidently out
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:33:00 GMT

In article <jbond.721534579@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
:>student daughter fund, I felt really unnerved.  They know about me and
:>they're politely leaving me to talk about it if I want to, not forcing
:>me or anything, which is great, I suppose.  So why does it feel so
:>stomach churningly weird ?  Don't know what else to say, just wanted to
:>share my feelings, maybe get some reassurances.
:
:The first thing that I thought of when I read your question was "What if
:they don't care?"  I mean, it doesn't seem to be the case in your family
:<what extremely little I've read about it>, but I know that if my parents
:ignored my bisexuality once they found out, I'd be wondering if they really
:cared about me enough to care about "it".

Or possibly they don't want to believe it, and have rationalised
the poster away as something you're helping out with for your friends...

G
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:20:06 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>It's not exactly this, but I have been having a very weird experience
>along these lines lately.  Ever since looking into the eyes of the
>beautiful woman in our philosophy class, I've been thinking about (and
>lusting after) all the attractive women I have met.  Somehow, I just
>seem to want "a woman."  In the past, I have wanted *specific* people,
>or I have wanted "sex in general" (*grin*), but I've never had this
>feeling of wanting the in-between "sex with someone of a particular
>gender."


Yes, I certainly have this feeling.  For me it seems to
happen when I have not really been able to express my interest in
both men and women.  Like when I spend alot of time with lesbians, then
I kind of begin to feel like I am about to go on a man frenzy.  My ration-
alization is - when I am in an atmosphere where expressing interest in both men
and women is  encouraged then this feeling of wanting a particular
gender goes away.

At the same time I am not sure that I really believe this, because
one of the reasons that I freak out about longterm monogamy is the
thought of not being able to have sex with the other gender.  

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: my roomie
Summary: Most blatant e-flirt of the week!
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:32:42 GMT

In article <BxIsM7.4q6@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
|In article <1992Nov7.221615.4321@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
|>latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
|>: I just "came-out" to my roomie, and she's accepting...ain't she great?
|
|Hey there. Congratulations.  E-hugs.  (and yes before anyone has to ask
|I am/was a muffin.  A big creme filled muffin.  As you are reading this
|I am exploding all over you.:>
|Well, I guess that means that I will just have to lick it off.
|*slurp* *lick* *lick* *lick*
|There all better.:> (Remember: the tongue is mightier than the sword:)

    (standing ovation)

    And people say *I'm* an e-slut ;-)

    Oh, so many queers, so little time....

|>: 
|>: <btw, I'm bisexual...:)>
|I don't know if I am, but hey I am attracted to both sexes?
|Doing something is a completely different thing:>  I don't think that 
|I am quite ready for that.  

    Experimental verification can be arranged for that, you know. 
It's quite simple and painless, if slightly messy.

               ____
 david parsons \bi/ shy and demure, but still shameless, e-slut
                \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Subject: Re: Images in the media
Organization: Wits University Electrical Engineering
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:00:54 GMT

In <memo.731944@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
>> made me think that if the world could see more things like this, the
>> GLB cause would really be advanced. 
>Mmmm ...and the het world would be titilated as well, like some of my 
>officemates reactions to a film called "Rosebud" a story of a young 
>Woman's realization of Lesbian feelings -- recently broadcast as part 
>of the "Out on Tuesday" film series. A couple of sex scenes in that 
>got them all steamed up as well...

I was thinking more of nonsexual images of gays and lesbians and
bisexuals, done in such a way that they just become part of everyday
life, but I think I'm an idealist.

>Aaaarrgghhhh <FX: sound of head being bashed into keyboard> The safe 
>sex manuals come under the same morality laws?. Oh give me a break! 
>So how do AIDS sufferers get on in South Africa? 

The safe sex manuals do eventually get through, I don't think they are
actually banned. But customs seem to deliberately cause delays. There
is immense worry about AIDS in South Africa, and a belief that the
government is not doing enough (but are there any countries where the
government is perceived to be doing enough?). SA is an extremely
Calvinist country which means that there is little acceptance of open
discussion of safe sex issues. Also there are cultural (importance of
fertility) and political (birth control is seen as an imposition from
whites) issues within the black community which results in the
rejection of condom use. I don't currently know what the figures are,
but I believe there may be many more heterosexuals who are HIV positive
than homosexuals (figures for bisexuals are never quoted, of course).
(but don't quote me on this, I will try to verify it). Medical care
for people with AIDS is (as with everything else) better for whites 
than for blacks. It's all very depressing.
                                                                ____ 
                                                                \bi/ 
Vashti                                                           \/
--
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Vashti Galpin                      vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa.  Tel 27(11)716-3295 Fax 27(11)403-1926
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 17:07:58 GMT

orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
: |rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
: |>So ... now, the question is, how does one do this thing?
: |>I can see two main avenues:
: |>A) Let it drop in during a casual conversation
: |>B) Sit them down for a talk

[Say, is it just me, or did Roy's article not show up for some people?
By the dates of the replies, it must have been a couple of days back,
and I for one never saw it!  Sorry, Roy - have a hug all the same]

: |coming out
: |as bi and telling them you've got a MOTSS SO and telling them about the
: |BDSM is a *lot* to do at once.
: 
:    (evil orcish grinning)  There's always option C), where you
: borrow back a Good Vibrations catalogue, tell them you're gonna
: make an order, make the order, and let them look up what you
: ordered in the catalogue.  I didn't do this with my parents, but
: my best friends got a whiff of me not being vanilla (or, at the
: very least, a realization that what I call vanilla is just possibly
: not what the rest of the world calls vanilla...) 

Ah, well.  Some of us caught the tang in the air of something distinctly
non-vanilla about you just a wee while ago, my sometime-evil Oricish
friend!  As for these newly-enlightened people, I suspect the problem
may be more that they think of you as King of the Orgies, given the
sheer amount of stuff that was on the early draft list I saw!  More than,
say, one evening's worth, no?  Unless you're entertaining the Harlem
Globetrotters or the Vienna Boys Choir for a night ...

hugs
Mike, who admits to being the original owner of that particular catalog,
and considering the summum of what it was exchanged for, is quite happy
to live without it for a while




-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:59:11 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

In <Bx8ty5.HoK@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:

>altruism: *unselfish* regard for or devotion to the welfare of others.

But what is unselfishness, but another word for altruism?

Here are definitions which avoid the circularity and paradoxes:

"Altruism": viewing another person's welfare as an essential part of one's own.
"Selfishness": being indifferent to another's welfare.

--                                ____
Richard Kennaway                  \  /__    School of Information Systems
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk       \/  /    University of East Anglia
uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk      \/     Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.

Trust in God and keep your powder dry.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Address for donations
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:01:52 GMT

This was passed along to me by someone not able to post to soc.bi.

>
> Also, if you know anyone who posts to soc.motss, could you have them
> post it.  I haven't seen this address there. I got it from the
> Windy City Times in there post-election issue.
>
> Equal Protection Campaign (EPOC)
> Box 300467
> Denver, Colorado   80203
>
> Note "Legal challenge" on check and possibly your
> profession and home city.
>


--
These words, opinions and mistakes are mine alone... not Motorola's.
gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     ____     B0 f-- g- k+ s m h- r p 
Greg Berryman               \  /          (512)928-6014
Motorola                     \/                Austin, Texas, USA
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Time (Was: Family Values (long))
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:17:48 GMT

In article <BxKCr1.Ay8@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>Come on over, and I'll help you get it down to my mid-teens percentage...
>
>				Kay
>-- 
Omigod.  That is almost unbelievable.  Not to pry but how many questions
were on that particular test?  I have stooped to the 30's on the 100 question,
44 on the 400, but mid teens?!?  Again not to pry, but did anything include
animals? :>

Awfully tempting to come visit though, quite a boat ride.

Jim, (44%, even though I am a "virgin" to both sexes:)

(O boy, I can hear the questions already):>

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.~
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:39:02 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:

>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>
>>When someone comes into bi-space and attacks part of the bisexual community
>>(ie new age bisexuals), attacking and seeking to ridicule their beliefs, to
>>me that is oppression. I want the bisexual community to be all-inclusive.
>>Elf's view seems to be that we should not welcome all bisexuals, only the
>>ones he approves of. If I was an androgynous new age bi, I would feel
>>oppressed by this.
>
>No.  Oppression is Measure 9 in Oregon or 2 in Colorado.  Not Elf's
>opinion.

I think there is such a thing as intellectual oppression, and I should have
thought it was obvious that in an intellectual forum such as this, that is
what I meant.

>  By allowing someone's opinion of you to make you feel oppressed, 
>you create your own oppression, and an oppression you've earned, at that!  
>Liberation is not "Don't say bad things about me."  Liberation is "Fuck you, 
>I don't care what you think."  That's why PC-speak is so stupid.

PC-speak might be stupid if we were all liberated, but we're not.
What other people think about me does matter.

>Beliefs are attacked all the time.  That's how we find out which beliefs
>are the best:  by seeing which ones stand up to attack.  No, Elf has every
>moral right to attack beliefs he sees as destructive, and those under attack
>have every right to fire back (intellectually, that is--some of my
>anarchocapitalist friends might take me literally here :-).  People call
>things like that "argument" and "debate".

Of course. I'm not against those things. Free speech is fine, but there's
a time and place for everything. Free speech in the wrong place at the
wrong time is at best impolite, and at worst offensive and upsetting.
I still don't think soc.bi is the right place to attack bisexuals.
That's what makes it oppression to me - bisexuals should have a space
to feel (relatively) safe in, and on the usenet, this is it. I don't
think Elf's original posting was appropriate to this forum.


/jon
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Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.polyamory
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: I'm going to be on TV Thursday night!
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:12:53 GMT

And the show is called "real personal." And I watch it regularly because it's
amusing. The only problem is they almost never have any MOTSS relavance, so
I look forward to your putting some in. 

Have fun, dahlink. (Obligatory Natache imitation.)

			Tom
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: wups!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:53:33 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

It occurs to me that I did not de-muffin properly...

"This is my first (ahem, second) post.  What is a muffin?"

pls don't answer - I know.  And I am not anymore.

hugs, squeezes and gropes galore!

Q:  how many of soc.biers are married?  just curious.

js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: my roomie
Summary: Yet another demuffing:> 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.221615.4321@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>: I just "came-out" to my roomie, and she's accepting...ain't she great?

Hey there. Congratulations.  E-hugs.  (and yes before anyone has to ask
I am/was a muffin.  A big creme filled muffin.  As you are reading this
I am exploding all over you.:>
Well, I guess that means that I will just have to lick it off.
*slurp* *lick* *lick* *lick*
There all better.:> (Remember: the tongue is mightier than the sword:)

>: 
>: <btw, I'm bisexual...:)>
>

I don't know if I am, but hey I am attracted to both sexes?
Doing something is a completely different thing:>  I don't think that 
I am quite ready for that.  

>Hmm.  Mike ponders awhile.  Could swear he recognises the name from
>someplace, but that reads like a demuffining.  What the heck.  Hugs

Well, Mike I hope you have no problem recognizing this name.
I am here to redeem my hug:>
>
>e-hugs
>Mike, who also congrats you on taking the step.

Thank you to everyone who helped make this possible:
*wink* to Muffy (Hey I learned vi!!!!)
*wink* to Mike
*a very special wink* to James who has been technical advisor the whole
time.

A note to James and the Muffins from Delaware(I know you are *out* there):
I am not ready to come out in DE.  Actually I have determined that I 
won't.  It is turning into Fag-bashing capital USA with the KKK and
the whole Spiel.  This is just too scary.

again,  Cheery hellos to the hippest newsgroup on the net

Jim. (seamus@brahms.udel.edu)
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.~
Newsgroups: soc.bi