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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: San Diego Con Horror Story
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:19:34 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

stantbat@iastate.edu (John S Sinnott) writes:

>>The way I see it is in ten years it will be good to look back
>>at these comics we bought and laugh. I didnt by Shadowhawk or
>>Brigade though. I only stuffed up slightly by buying 
>>Youngblood #1. I think in a couple of years there will be a 
>>whole new generation of fanboys just aching for some copies
>>of Youngblood #1. Hold onto it!

>Yea, Youngblood #1 will be worth a fortune, like all of those other 'hot'
>books from yesteryear.  I bought a Shazam #1 for $0.35 and now it's worth
>a whole $2.50!  And it took less than 20 years to get that high.  Or 
>remember Howard the Duck #1??  I still have one I paid $20 for at the peak 
>of it's popularity.  Now it's worth $10!  And remember when it was rumored
>that part of the print run for Miricle Man #1 was damaged?  Boy it's a
>really hot book, guiding at cover price.  Save you Youngbloods.  Someday 
>they might make good kindling.

Well you might be ri (i've only been getting comics for 
about 3 years) but I think it will be reasonable valuable.
At lease you can rip off a fanboy at a con in 10 years.
Maybe everyone has your attitude and will throw their
copies away (if you even bought one). 

Jed
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Information needed Re: Thor, FF
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:36:27 GMT

>In article <65756@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) asks:
>>Can anyone out there post or e-mail me the issue numbers for Simonson's run
>>on Thor and Byrne's run on the Fantastic Four.  Both of these runs were
>>going on when i was just getting into comics, so i have sporadic issues of
>>both, but would like to go back and complete them.  

In article <1992Aug21.231007.20482@tamsun.tamu.edu> jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis) writes:
>Byrne did FF from 232 to 293.  There might have been a couple fill-ins, but
>I don't remember any at this point.

There were no fill-in issues.  Byrne definitely wrote all of the
issues, and I believe he did the pencils for all of them as well.  FF
#286, in which Jean Grey returns (including an Avengers cross-over)
was writen and pencilled by "You Know Who", who was John Byrne.
FFs #294 and #295 were plotted by Byrne, but scripted by Roger Stern.

>Simonson did Thor from 337 to 382.  He also did the related 4 issue Balder
>mini-series.  Note: if you like these, try his run on FF.   He did 334-341,
>343-350, and 351-354.  I've heard he was involved with Thor in some capacity
>back in the late 200's, but I've never actually seen them.

Thor did some good work on Thor, but I didn't like his FF.  It seemed
to mystical for me (what I *did* read of it).  Simonson seems more
suited to mystical, non-technological-based adventurers and adventures
(i.e.. FF and Iron Man).  Has Walt Simonson done any work on Dr. Strange?
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Recent Releases
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.135105.9755@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>Garbage that Iwasted my money on this week
>Darkhold #1 - 0/4 for Marve on Rise of the Midnight Sons. Exceptionaly
>bad art as well.

I picked it up because Richard Case was doing the art and I was pleasantly
surprised -- it was one of the most readable Marvel books I've read in
years.  The art, as is usual for Mr. Case, was excellent, but he could use
a better inker.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
Just got my student loan.  Never been happier, thanks.
-------
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Best and Worst Villain Names
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:57:12 GMT

Here's some more:
BEST:  Leader Desslok (it's a comic now, so fair game) of Starblazers.  It just
          sounds soooooo cool.
       Junior from Dreadstar.  Nice "underplayed menace" thing there.
       Bela Okmyx (who thanks to PAD is in the comics too) from ST.
       Pulsar Stargrave (I think he's so good I wanna mention him too)
WORST: Mikado from Question.
       Radiation Roy from LSV
       Occulus from recent FF.  Embodies all that is hokey and dumb about
          the Kirby FF without any of the good stuff from the Kirby FF
       Zaniac.  Goes without need of explanation

     Dave Van Domelen, pushing thumbtacks into his computer bulletin board
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fox's Fall Animation--Batman and X-men
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:16:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <jjonsson.78@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> 
> Saw several episodes of the Batman series at THE CON, and I must say it was 
> rather good. It is reminiscent of the Fleischer Superman series in 
> animation style but it's a lot smoother. [...]

Speaking as an anime fan, I must admit I'm impressed by what I've seen.
Let's see if the writing keeps up.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Date: 23 Aug 1992 09:25:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

Not to be a morbid jerk or anything, what happens if Gaiman
dies before ending Sandman?  Does DC get to send in another
author to finish it up somehow?  Would DC get to do a story
about the JSA confronting Morpheus over Hector like netters
have been saying would be a Fun Thing to Have?  I mean, Mr.
Gaiman would not be working for DC anymore, so DC should be
able to do anything they wanted to with his Sandman, right?

-Jon Kung, student who needs to get out a bit more often...
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the CON
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:37:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <jjonsson.74@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>
>Unsubstantiated Con rumor #1: Rob Liefield doesn't even do his own art 
>anymore. He has a studio of guys drawing exactly like him (shudder.) Source: 
>Mike Dringenberg.
>

Wow, what'd he do - hire some fifth graders and buy a few million
Crayolas? 
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: baseball
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <BsxMJ8.67o@news.udel.edu> derf@ravel.udel.edu (the Greatful Fred) writes:
>	Also, one of the Spider-Man
>	titles several years ago had The fate of the universe hinged
>	on a game of street football.  This might have been a secret wars
>	cross-over, or a drug-induced fantasy.

The Watcher caught an alien mercenary stealing a weapon from his house.  
Rather than vaporizing the thief, the Watcher made a bet with him on the 
outcome of the game.  Naturally, Spidey's team (the Watcher's) was winning,
so the alien transferred some power into the largest boy on the enemy team.
The Watcher noticed, of course, and transformed the alien into a joker on
a deck of playing cards.   Not bad, really...
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Cages
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:55:57 GMT

I recently picked up issue 5 of Cages and really enjoyed
it. Cages 6 will be out soon and I'm just wondering what
other people's view on the series are. And how often does
it come out? I'd never seen pencils by McKean before but I 
am very impressed and would like to know what he has
pencilled (yes I know he paints\does Sandman covers). Thanks

Jed
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Subject: Worthless (?) comics
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

In article <1992Aug17.154529.8663@eos.arc.nasa.gov>,
shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Ric
k Shrum) writes:
|> In article <77858@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
writes:
|>>In article <13990@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu
(Rick J
ones) writes:
|>>
|>>This brings up an interesting net.question:
|>>
|>>Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
|>>that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
|>>but that you've kept anyway?
|>>
|>
|> Marvels _Godzilla_ is the "only" comic I have the complete run of: 12
|> whole issues I believe!

Actually, it was 24 whole issues. This and Marvel's Shogun Warriors are the
only comic I have a complete run of; Showgun Warriors was another 24 issue
series.
					Tony
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From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:16:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <65935@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7932b@prism.gatech.EDU (Hunter Rose (a.k.a. Sanjay Parekh)) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know when the Batman/Grendel miniseries is going to
>come out..?  Or has that been canned?  Thanks..
>
>
Wagner says at the end of War Child #1 that the Batman/Grendel cross-over has
been ready to print for two years, but because of Comico's bankruptcy, he
hasn't been able to get it out. It's explained in a lot more detail there.

h.


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From: kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis)
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:48:30 GMT

I disagree. I think Keith Giffen will do a great job on the art.
Cowan's art in BCOL is, however, a cheap Bisley imitation (bad story too).

Check out Lobo's first solo in Omega men #36 or 37 by Giffen.
From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Personal: finally back to net.land...
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:40:19 GMT
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho

In article <1992Aug12.162825.19903@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>After 2 months of involuntary down time (BTW, the service
> staff at Dickinson College SUCKS!!!), I'm back to rac.
>
>Picked up the last two Doom Patrols + Sandmen.  Fun stuff.
> I'm glad that Cliff Steele isn't dead, and the little
> mysteries about Eve, Cain + Abel are quite nice.
>
>Unfortunately, that's all that my comic store had for me
> (not quite true: they were also putting X-Force in my box.
> Bleah).  So that means I've missed several issues of:
>
>Dark Horse Presents
>Miracleman
>Cerebus
>Grendel
>Taboo
>Deadline
>and other similar stuff.
>
>Please update me on how many issues of each have come
> out since late June.
>-- 
>Francis A. Uy       PD @ WUMD, CTY Instructor @ Carlisle

You haven't missed any Miracleman unless you missed the three issues
of the Apocrapha.  Book 5: The Silver Age has not started yet.


I just got the first issue of the new Grendel series.  It's the
first time I've ever seen Grendel.  I haven't read it yet but
I browsed through.  I'm looking forward to yet.  Matt Wagner is
becoming fast a favorite of mine.


Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)
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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Dream Team
Summary: Dr. Doom would crush them
Keywords: Olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:39:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences


	The Dream Team
	     by
	  Jim Pruyne
       Gary Lewandowski

Jordan		Mr. Fantastic	
Pippen		Invisible Woman	
Barkley		Green Hulk
Drexler 	Silver Surfer
Bird		Captain America	
Johnson		Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) [in his own universe...]
Stockton	Adam Warlock
Laettner	Rick Jones
Ewing		Wonder Man
Robinson	Namor
Malone		Colossus
Mullin		Hawkeye
Coach Daly	Professor X


-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Magnus #0 Variants
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:26:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.013946.3943@u.washington.edu> hachiman@milton.u.washington.edu (Matt Downer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.150857.25389@bnr.ca> rutled@bnr.ca writes:
>>I've seen references to two different  versions of Magnus, Robot Fighter
>>#0:  The send-in version and the in-store version.
>>What's the difference?  How do you tell them apart.
>
>	The send away version should have a special Magnus card drawn by
>Barry Windsor-Smith.   The retail version doesn't.
>>I didn't  think  Magnus #0 was  available  for  retail  purchase  in any
>>stores, I didn't see any up here in my area.
>	Ditto here, I haven't seen any copies in stores either (just in my 
>mailbox).  I think the retail version was given to stores who ordered Magnus
>or Valiant comics or something, in large quantities (like in the hundreds).

Nor have I seen them and my local comic store knows nothing about them.
But according to Overstreet Update #22, there are two varients out
there. The afore mentioned one with the BWS card in it which was only
available by sending in the card (BTW, you couldn't pay me to cut those
coupons out of the comic. It's damaged no matter what you say and I hate
to do that to a comic).

Also interesting is the prices listed. The one with the coupon is listed
at $30 whle the one availble at stores without the coupon is at $15.
I'd like to have the one with the card, but I'd also like that elusive
Sandman #8. If I see any copy of Magnus #0, I'm grabbing it.

Has anyone though of writing Valiant and asking what the deal is? Just
curious.

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*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:02:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <dusek.714239237@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>>Death #1 : Comes with contact poison on the last page, making it incredibly
>>valuable because no one knows the whole story and is alive to tell us about it.
>	Wear rubber gloves to read the last page.

<long, extended deep sigh>

'Twas a -joke-, milad. Don't analyze it, the humor runs away. 

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Bad Universes
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:54:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

SuperLopez ( :-) sez...
>
>First: The Marvel New Universe
>The last: The Impact Line from DC
>
>Why people don't want new lines from DC or MARVEL?

Yo!  C'mon!  Don't you recognize a tax write-off when you read one?

These comics were deliberately sabotaged from the beginning, in my
opinion, by bad art, a lot of stupid writing and not enough editorial
work.  You will hear/read many people say New U had a lot going for it,
not just a couple, but a LOT -- comics editors may be slow but they are not
dumb.

Also, these attempts at comics are used to plumb and discover new talent
which the big boys (Marvel and DC) can exploit in their real worlds.

A business cannot continue to print unpopular drek and remain in business, and
If DC cared about Impact, they wouldn't be trashing the concept -- they'd be
CHANGING the concept.  The same for New U, which was directly tied to the
Secret Wars/Beyonder crap but never actualized.

Of course, these are my theories and may not be true.


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Bone!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:36:58 GMT


The single best thing I picked up at the convention (and I picked up a
LOT) was the first five issues of "Bone" by Jeff Smith.  This stuff is
just too good to believe.  It's not Sandman, and it's not all
angst-ridden, but it's a damned good story with some damned good
characters, and some very good unembellished art (he has one hell of a
clean line).   If your comic book store stocks it, take a look at it.
The first issue was a little weak compared to other issues, but way
above most other stuff.

Oh yes, more Con news:  Foglio claims that Issue #2 of "What's New
with Phil and Dixie" will be out next year.



-- 
What use is magic if it can't save a unicorn?  -- Peter Beagle
From: berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:20:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <77858@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>This brings up an interesting net.question:
>
>Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
>that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
>but that you've kept anyway?

I have a (nearly) complete set of Archie (etc.) digests (almost
complete until the early 80s, when I stopped collecting) that are
probably worth less than the paper they're printed on.  The only
reason I *don't* have a complete set is because I'm not about to
shell out the Guide price just to fill a hole.  If I find one for
50c or so, sure, but...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: LSH: Salvation Possible!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:04:50 GMT

I was rereading v4 #1-12 last night in a desperate attempt to remind myself why
I was still buying the book, and noticed a detail in #4 that I had missed the 
first time:  Trapper says that "the mock Earth will still exist, but the seeds 
I planted there...will not come to fruition."  SOOOOO.....if someone could 
time/dimension travel back to the pocket universe prior to the events of 
Superman #whatever ( I can't recall, aroun #18) and relink Superboy to the C30,
then the continiuity would relapse to v3, save for the fact Lar would still be 
Valor, and not Mon-El, having never been trapped in the pocket universe.  
Because right now, there is a contradiction between Supes and LSH, since 
without the pocket Superboy being killed by Trapper, Supes wouldn't have been 
needed to stop the Phantom Zoners.  In fact, without LSH knowing about 
Superboy, they never would have caused Superman and Superboy to meet!  The 
pocket universe is still waiting for someone with enough power to transport 
Superboy to 2975 and rewrite the future one last time.
     Dave Van Domelen.  Disclaimer:  the opinions above do not reflect those of
any OSU sysadmin living or dead or on Earth-2
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC Shakeup??
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:07:27 GMT

In article <4613@news.duke.edu> eja@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:
>Mike Eury is almost certainly not working at DC anymore, anyone know what
>he is doing? 

According to a friend at DC (and I'll go ahead and state that a lot of
my stuff from the Con will be similarly vague about sources since some
of this falls under the heading of background and I'm trying to be a bit
careful about things which weren't being told me in an official capacity),
Eury had turned in a resignation letter a while back and parted DC on
good terms. The main reason for his departure seems to be a preference
for North Carolina over New York City, and unless DC decides to move
to Charlotte, there's not much call for an editor down in Tarheel country.

For those interested, the new editor on LSH is K.C. Carlson.

"I want to stress that I'm not one of those nouveau Jim and Tammy Faye fans
who started following them after they became internationally recognized punch
lines.  I was a fan for *years*." --Dave Barry (ditto. I grew up in North
Carolina where you couldn't avoid hearing about them)
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com