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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: PAD. Is it really him?
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.165440.22277@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
> Oh, great.  *NOW* you've gone and done it.  Next thing you know
> Moriarty will be up on the table doing his Roddy McDowell impression
> and singing "The Seven Deadly Virtues."  Really, some people have no
> sense of self-restraint at all. . .

Yes, but we must pander to, er, entertain our audience which doesn't do
Broadway but rather rock'n'roll...

(fade in; "I want my Image books...I want my Image books...I want my Image
books...") 

(bamf noises replicating the drum beats, a Banshee scream replaces the whine of
the electric guitar)

Now look at them X-books that's the way you do it
You draw the muties for the big fat fees
That ain't drawin' that's the way they do it
Muties for nothin' and checks for free
Now that ain't drawin' that's the way they do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your drawin' finger
Maybe make a ninja of your chum

We gotta install some new wall units
Thirteen spinoff mini-series
We gotta move these Youngblood Ones
We gotta move these Image muties

See the little wartist with the cliches and the angstin'
Yeah buddy them's his own plots
That little wartist got his own jet Lockheed
That little wartist he's a real hot shot

We gotta install some new wall units
Fifteen spinoff mini-series
We gotta move these Youngblood Ones
We gotta move these Image muties

(snickt, zap, thunder, bamf, cash register noises)

I shoulda learned to write them muties
I shoulda learned to draw those guys
Look at that mutie, she got it stickin' in the jugular
Don't they ever have no fun?
And he's up there, what's that? Snickting noises?
Slicin' up those ninjas like a Cuisinart
That ain't writin' that's the way you do it
Draw your muties for nothin' get your checks for free

We gotta install some new wall units
Nineteen spinoff mini-series
We gotta move these Youngblood Ones
We gotta move these Image muties

(sound of dragon howling in background, followed by sound of cash register
 drawer opening)

Now that ain't writin' that's the way they do it
You draw your muties for the big fat fees
That ain't writin' that's the way they do it
Muties for nothin' and your checks for free
Muties for nothin' and checks for free

Muties for nothin', checks for free
I want my, I want my, I want my, Image books
(intertwined and repeated to fade, with cash register sounds in background)

Parody lyrics copyright 1985, 1988, 1992 Thomas Young Galloway (originally
I want my X-Muties, updated for the times)

"Recccccccccc.arts.comics where the flames go scrolling down the screen..."
  --RAClahoma, the musical
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: DR. STRANGE
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:57:36 GMT

In article <Bw17Lw.FyC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (kieran) writes:
>In article <Oct.12.16.43.14.1992.18307@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>>speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
>>writes:
>>
>>However, he reappeared immediately as half of a revitalized STRANGE TALES (v.
>>2), also written by Gillis.  
>
>     These tales by Gillis are *really* good.  They have a great feel
>to them.  They are about a Dr. Strange who is not just some costumed
>hero but one who fights really unearthly evil.

I do agree that these Strange Tales stories were well-written, but I
didn't like them because I didn't care for Gillis's "dark Dr.
Strange" bit.  A one-eyed Dr. Strange flying around with demons?
I just couldn't buy it.  

As for the new stories that Thomas has been doing, I liked the first
twenty issues or so, but I thought the quality of the writing 
dropped off very quickly after that -- when he started that bit
with Topaz.  I thought those stories were very poorly paced, poorly
plotted, and poorly written.  I dropped the series after that.

Dr. Strange has been one of my very favorite characters ever since
I've been reading comics (about 20 years).  I'd like to follow the
title, but won't buy it regularly again until it's done "right".
(The same thing also applies to Cap. America and Fantastic Four ....
and Avengers ... well, all Marvel titles basically.  C'mon
Marvel!  Hire some writers!)

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu
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From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: ElfQuest 3
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:16:15 GMT


Having done the original posting on Hidden Years 3, I have to
do an addendum - I find that I liked it more the more times
I read it.  I still thought it was slow, but I decided in the
end that it wasn't such a bad story, after all.  *sheepish grin*

As for New Blood...I liked the first story quite a lot, and
thought things went progressively downhill from there, although
the last two were amusing since they were obviously meant to
be farces.  And I *liked* the portfolio at the end!  I thought
several of those paintings were very well done.  Particularly
the one of Savah, Suntop, and Winnowill.  Anybody know if it's
possible to order prints of those?  

I hadn't thought that the letters page had been cut due to
longer stories.  Chalk me up a stupidity point.  :)  I still
can't wait for the next issue, though, about Cutter and Ember.

I really like the Hidden Years idea - but - that poster that
was advertised in the first Hidden Years is driving me insane.
Was that just random images, or are they going to tell a story
about it?  (I certainly *hope* they will!!!)  And, more importantly,
*when*???  Thanks for letting me get that off my back.  *laugh*
I'll behave myself now.

To the person who wanted the family tree - how far back do
you want?  Are we talking from the very beginning, or just
with "our" elves?  I've got a fairly accurate list of who's
Recognized to whom and so on, but it's primarily Cutter & Co...

Shade,
Catie
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: SKIN (Re: Milligan Request)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.053617.10462@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>of Carol Swain and Brendan McCarthy was brilliant, the result unique.
>It was universally liked by the "crew" at the comix shop I hang at.
>
>One pretty big bitch, though.  On the next to last page, there are
>bios and photos of Milligan & McCarthy, but nothing for Swain.  The
>credits read "story - Milligan, Art - McCarthy, Colours - Swain", from
>an original McCarthy story, but this can't be right.  Some of the faces
>are as pure Swain as it gets, and the painting is obviously McCarthy,
>they must've gotten it backwards, or there was a lot more
>collaboration going on.  Was this the case in the british edition
>(Tundra pub. it over here).  In any case, they slighted Carol, in what
>may be her best work, IMO.  I'm basically the same age they are, so I
>have the same sort of memory association going on, but it's the best
>thing I've seen in a long time. I have a tough time calling it a "comic book".
>
Yeah, that's the way it was in the edition I've got - I thought it was a bit
off too, although I always feel that way when only a couple of people on the
creative team get singled out for attention. Having said that, I'm not familiar
with Swain's name; what else has she been involved with?

>Looking forward to Rogan Gosh and Captain Cracking,
>
Was Rogan Gosh by Milligan too? I'd forgotton that. Superb stuff, though, it's
tempting to buy it again in whatever format Tundra publish it in cos it's bound 
to be better quality than Revolver.

MikE
From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: _Gay_Comics_ (was: What happened to "The Aerialist" by Matt Wagner?)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 23:47:53 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1992Sep21.211433.7753@scott.skidmore.edu>
	<1992Sep23.080558.11304@sdcrsi.cray.com> <Bv90n4.A95@queernet.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG's message of 27 Sep 92 17:59:28 GMT

> as of now, GAY COMICS is suspended, and without a publisher.

=+= So soon?

=+= While I think the editor was a bit clueless for changing
the name from _Gay_Comix_ to _Gay_Comics_, I thought he had a
steady supply of material coming in.  What happened?
    <_Jym_>
				"You should look behind you,
				Dennis." (54)

:::.-----.::: Jym Dyer ::::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.-----.:::
::/  o o  \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/   |   \::
::\ \___/ /::: Disclaimer:  "I'm sorry . . . that's :::\  /|\  /::
:::`-----'::::::::::::::::  Mr. Caffeine speaking!" ::::`-----':::
_
The message of David Duke, is this, basically: Big government,
anti-big government, get out of my pocketbook, cut my taxes, put
welfare people back to work. That's a very popular message. The
problem is the messenger.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel -Warchild
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <22875@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>Well, the only reason I bought Grendel is because everyone on the net was  
>saying how good this book is/was.  I missed the first ones, so I decided to  
>give warchild a chance...  sofar BIG dissappointemnt (espec. #3)  Matt is  
>dragging this thing out beyond belief!

I'm enjoying it a lot because:

1) We're getting the opportunity to see a lot of the future world of Grendel,
   which has hitherto been largely denied us, except for some VERY broad
   strokes on the canvas, and

2) The story is told more in pictures than in words, so it moves along
   quite quickly for me.  It has a low story/cost ratio, but since I am
   very impressed by the art and coloring, I'm quite happy to let that slide.

In short, it's worth my time, worth my money, and holds my interest.

I suspect that it will really pick up in another 2-4 issues.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Another big explosion leaving you hoping
 That something that once held you down could leave you feeling on the ground.
 The confusion that persists, decisions that you guessed,
 The one to stay and watch this, the one you might have missed."
						- Sugar, "The Act We Act"
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Image gets competition?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:53:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.050626.26445@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> 
> 	Sources close to [The Comics Journal] have confirmed recent rumours
> 	of a new creators' imprint called _Dinosaur_, whose founding members
> 	include Frank Miller, Walt Simonson, John Byrne, Art Adams, and
> 	Geoffrey Darrow.  The core group of five has also sounded out other
> 	creators, including Alan Moore, Mike Mignola and Chris Claremont,
> 	about joining the group.

Verry Interesting!  Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all these people
done work for Dark Horse sometime during their illustrious careers?  Well,
maybe not Art Adams.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: ???D.C. CRISIS??? 
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:32:56 GMT

CRISIS is the 12-issue "CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS" series that 
came out from DC around 1985-86. The DC universe had been a *very* 
comlicated place for many many years because every time a 
writer/editor would make a continuity error hey would correct it 
by saying that the story had taken place in a different dimension. 
 
For example, let's say Batman fought a villian who had been 
killied  couple of years before and it didn't occur to the editor 
until after the story was published that the villian was supposed 
to be dead.  Well, he'd rectify this story by saying that it didn't 
hapen in "our" Batman's universe, that it happened on another Earth 
in another universe.  The Editor names that universe Earth-A, as 
opposed to the Earth where "our" heroes live.
 
Another story comes out and Batmna is an old man and gets killed.  Th 
story is maybe supposed to be the "last Batman story".  A while later,
he editors decide that it wasn't such a great idea to have a 
"last Batman story" so they say that it occurred on a different Earth
i even another alternate dimension called Earth-2 where all 
"our" heroes are old men -- they then decie to call "our" Earth 
"Earth-1".     
 
Different Editors begin writing different "imaginary/what-if"  type
stories, but rather than ruin their credibility by saying this stories
on't actually happen, they say they occurr on Earth-3 Earth-A Earth-W
Earth-5, etc etc etc.
 
Eventuall all the different Earths began having their own individual
continuities and their own fan followings.  For example, I was 
especialy fond of the Earth (probably Earth-V) where all the villians
of "our" earth are hereos!
 
At any rate, the possibilities were endless and it got to be very 
confusing.  Stories were written where heroes would meet their 
other-world selves... and on and on. 
 
The DC staff (during DC's 50th anniversary) s decided they had enough
ofthis "multiple earth" stuff and hired two of their most popular 
comic book guys, Marv Wolfman and George Perez (of Teen Titans fame),
to write a 12-issue series that would bring *ALL* o of DC's worlds
into one single Earth that would have one single continuity.
 
That seres was CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS and it was quite a landmark.
 
You may be able to find it in paper-back format somewhere, although
I'm not entirely sure if it was ever released in one volume?  It's a
god read and the art is absolutely MASTERFUL!  Practically every DC 
character *ever* makes an appearance at some point!
 
There's another bok (available in paper-back, I believe) 
called HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE, which cronicals the entire 
history of the world for begining to the present (well, the 
present in 1986 or so, anyway.)
 
Hope that was helpfull!
 
Stephen Legg          
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca           
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From: colomon@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Colomon Foster)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:33:13 GMT

The problem with this theory is that the ONLY reason to believe
the conversation is set before Unity was raped is the comment that
there is a Vortex.  And in the last chapter of The Doll's House,
Unity says: "I should have been the vortex.  If you had not
been imprisoned away from the Dreaming, I would have been."
Unity was not a vortex; she merely had the potential to be one.

							-Sol

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:41:19 GMT

yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

>Perhaps this has been answered in previous issues, but I was wondering
>why the Endless needed physical transportation in this issue.  Can't
>Dream simply materialize anywhere he chooses?

Misdirection.  Dream doesn't plan to actually  seek out Destruction,
merely humor Delirium by travelling around with her for a while.  His
own motive in the journey is to forget his lost love, whoever the
heck she is.  For him, it's not the arrival, it's the journey.  Hence
the method of travel is more important than the endpoint.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
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From: ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Eric "JUICE" Fritzius)
Subject: Re: Eclipso #2: Starman dead!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:42:12 GMT

ins598w@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Roger Tall) writes:












>spoiler.....






>Well in the issue Eclipso does not get destroyed (permanantly).
>Even though I liked the character, comic companies continuosly
>keep crossover characters alive at the conclusion of each crossover.
>For once I would like to see a crossover character completely 
>crushed and destroyed.... oh well so much for dreaming!!

Okay, How bout the Monitor and Anti-Monitor?
 Manhunters anyone?

JSA


--
===============================================================================
                    Eric W. Fritzius  (aka, Juice S. Aaron.)
              ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu  or aj517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
                   "Ahhhh!  I'm blind!  That thing cut me!"
From: bd112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig H. Rettig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 views
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:35:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ultron -- robot
Original Thor -- Immortal
Hercules -- See Thor
Silvermaine -- human head and heart in robot body, iffy.
Sabretooth -- heals like Wolvie
Tony Stark -- Could hold off on pulling him out of the freezer
Maverick, Wraith, Silver Fox -- All Project X members like Wolvie
Namor -- Seems to age really slow, also an iffy
Apocalypse -- He's been around this long...
Nick Fury -- REALLY iffy

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Is that your noggin', or are you just glad to see me?"
          --The Heckler  THE HECKLER #1
Craig H. Rettig -- University of Cincinnati -- GWAR in '92
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:57:15 GMT
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:

> In article <143560015@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >In rec.arts.comics.misc, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >> I like the subject to be in proportion! (NOTE: I don't like 20th century
> >> "art" either)
> >Perhaps if you had gone onto college art history you could avoid
> >making sweeping statements like, "I don't like 20th century art."
> >> 
> >> I loved the drawing in this year's Marvel Swimsuit Issue of Cable, it
> >> was a total rip on Liefeld's inability to draw in proportion.
> >
> >It was trivial and cliched like most comic art.
> 
> Perhaps if you had read more comic books, you could avoid making sweeping
> statements like, "It was trivial and cliched like most comic art."

I read millions of comics when I was a teenager.  
This is why I know the art was cliche. 

> 
> Why read them if they're below you?  

In fact, I do not read very many of them.  But I keep my
eye out for what pleases me, and it is rewarded once in awhile.
_Arkham Assylum_ is a good example of a book that transcended
the cliches of the comic world.


>In fact, why read rec.arts.comics if
> you're going to be bombarded with meaningless babble from us unsophisticates 
> who don't know as much about art as yourself?

Plenty of people here know a lot more about art than I.
I read the group, because I happen to get amusement from it.
Also, I look for legitimate info on stuff in the comic world that
IS worth reading.  It does exist.  It is just rare.

> 
> Perhaps if you had read more newsgroups, you could avoid making pretentious
> holier-than-thou posts like this one.

Naw, you miss the whole gestalt of usenet.  It is nothing BUT
pretentious, holier than thou posts.

The swimsuit edition was filled with trivial art.  The art is
cliched, by definition, because it is drawn under the
'how to draw comics the marvel way' rule set for what human
beings look like.  

I am not saying that it did not have pleasing elements.  It appeals
to the lust in the eye the same way (although not as sylishly)
as Nagel. 

doug
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From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: CAGES ...
Organization: The Little Squids of Poor Dave McKean
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:36:37 GMT

In <1992Oct11.040731.15506@math.ucla.edu> sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.225001.5658@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>In article <9OCT199218012963@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>>>Hi all, I have another question:
>>>
>>>Does McKean write or does he just do the art?
>>
>>McKean writes and illustrates. I thought it would be a nice touch if someone
>>else did the covers, but he does those too.

>Why would that be nice?  McKean's covers are magnificent.

Yes, very nice covers. In fact at times I think that's all he ever does.
(Certainly his covers are his most obvious works.) Elmo, it would be funny
if he had someone else do the covers...

>>>Is it a mini-series?  
>>
>>Yup. Twelve issues I think.

>Ten.

Ten is correct. Wishful thinking forced me to say twelve.

>>>Uh... I guess I had more than one question.  :)
>>
>>S'OK. I never told you what it was about.

>Can I have the smiley then?

It's yours. Since finding the Lost Squid Smiley Mine, I have a nearly
inexhaustible supply.

"Red sky at night, time for a nap"
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:48:51 EDT
From: <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Alien 3
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.


                              Alien 3


      Ya hated the movie, now ya can hate the comic book!


                                         the Morning Star.
From: jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:19:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

First, let me just say that I thoroughly enjoyed this issue, especially the
"Aunt May scene" promised in issue #1 - that was priceless!

However, I call your attention to the Arachnopilia page (customary letters
page but without letters because it's only issue two).  In it we are not
only given a hint of a new Marvel 2099 title (the rumored X-Men 2099?), but
we are treated to the line:
	"All those jokers that only buy the first issue of stuff are gone, and
now it's just us.  Good for you for sticking around! (Second issues are rarer
than first issues anyway, right? The print run's smaller!)"

When I read this, I recalled PAD's comments here about print runs, and the 
print run of Spidey 2099 #1 in particular.  Coincidence?  I think not.

-jak
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