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From: chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU (Richard Chowning)
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Subject: RE:Somalia
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:18:26 GMT
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In Message Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:44:36 BST,
  "Gerry Callaghan" <eeigcn@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE> writes:

>Hello Everyone,
Thanks, Gerry, for giving us this news.  Maybe this can be a turning point.
I sure hope so, fighting the numbness is becoming very heavy.  I can hardly
sit here knowing what is going on in Somalia and what is about to happen in
Sudan, Mozambique and Zambia.

>
>The president of the Republic of Ireland, Mary Robinson is now on her
>way to New York to meet Boutros Ghali after a three day tour of Somalia
>and Northern Kenya.

Somehow seeing people die, face to face, has got to effect others.  When is
she to be in New York.  Will she get to appear before the General Assembly
or any other forums.  Maybe this is point where we on these lists can make a
difference.  IT there a way to contact her and put together a patchwork of
forums and press conferences.  Anyone know how to reach her, maybe the
Republic of Irland's Embassy.  Anyone have any inroads?

>There she met refugees and leaders of the warring factions and carried a dead
>baby and a dying mother in her arms.
>
>In an extremely emotional news conference from Nariobi last night she spoke
>of the shame she felt at being a member of the western world which can allow
>such tragedy to develop. The diplomatic protocol that surrounds these occasions
>was thrown away as she, breaking into tears several times, condemned the
>delay in getting U.N. and E.C. aid into the country.

Bless her for having enough human emotions to cry.  And, not only did she
cry, but she seems to be intent on doing something about the starvation.

>I believe that everyone who had a meal last night should share this sense
>of shame. Sisters and brothers, anyone who has any chance of influencing
>decision makers in any country, do so now.
>
>Yours, in pain and shame,

Me, too.  Lets write, phone, talk over coffee and plan with anyone who will
listen and maybe even finding ways to get the ear of those who do not seem
to listen.

--- Chelagoi
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Chelagoi               alias                         Richard Chowning

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From: AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:15:57 GMT
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Gerry, Chelgoi and Others,

Hearing from you and the more distant but real news regarding Somalia and
Bosnia and others sure makes me feel sad and hopeless .... shame and guilt..

I think that I too may have become numb and cynical and hearing of the
tragedies from you bring tears...and sadness...and reminds me of another
time when I used to feel a lot more...

I remember 1969 when I had just come from the poverty of India to get a
job as a Psychiatric Aide in a State Mental Hospital (before they kicked
the patients out and made them homeless)...as part of my job, I was to receive
food sent on food elevators to the ward I worked on...and after the patients
had eaten, I was to empty those unused cartons of milk, jello, hamburgers or
chicken (untouched because too much was sent up) into the garbage disposal..

I made the mistake of sending it back to the kitchen and the kitchen staff,
anxious to go home after sending the food to the ward, taught me a lesson by
not sending enough food the next couple of nights...They just did not want
to have to work anymore... For four years, every night I emptied atleast
two cartons of milk and a dozen peices of chicken or hamburgers into the
Garbage disposal.... and there were 36 wards in that one hospital....

Sorry for the long flahback.... I was reminded of the times I used to get
upset and the process of numbness and acceptance to where I have, too
often of late, avoided even thinking about starvation and remembering
true poverty....

zahir
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Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:27:12 GMT
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The Cleveland mailer has a few bugs in it, and one of them is the 
reply line.  It seems that a few people have replied to my last
message, and the replies went solely to my mailbox. It's what I get for
using a machine like the Freenet.:-)
Anyway, here's what she wrote - I had to dump it to a file to get it
across the barrier [Internet/Usenet] so it may be a bit mangled, but 
probably not.

Ruth H.
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From: Gretchen Schirmer <IQZK100@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
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To: "Ruth M. Hanschka" <ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
 ENET.EDU>

Ruth -- Now that you mention it, I haven't been getting any messages either.
Although, I've been so busy, I probably wouldn't have responded.

Could other x-culters please discuss the so-called occidental value of
individualism and the so-called oriental value of community?  I'm with an int'l
living and learning center at IUPUI (Indiana U-Purdue U at Indpls), and some of
the continuing residents from last year have commented that they don't feel the
same sense of community now that they remember feeling last year.  I've noticed
that the Asian students seem to be less involved in the program, but I have a
sense that they might have a lot to contribute to a dialogue about community.

On the other hand, I wonder how much that value is a factor of more homogeneous
populations in many Asian countries, and to what extent the Asian students
would believe that a similar sense of community could be developed in such a
multi-cultural setting.

I'm looking forward to your responses...

Peace,
Gretchen Schirmer
IUPUI

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Subject:      RE: Is anyone still reading this?

yes still reading.....

dilshad ahmed
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In Message Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:06:02 -0400, AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET writes:

>Its been well over 15 years since we gave up all of that, we are now
>practical and pragmatic and we remember to ask the crucial question..
>What's in it for us? ....and we don't buy that crap about respect and
>honour anymore........Its gotta be green!

That hurts but you are right... (more tears).

--- Chelagoi
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:23:07 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      I've been trying to keep up on it.

 Emmy said:

 >> General remark about SOmalia:
 >>
 >> And what are we all doing about Somalia other than watching the news or
 >> waiting for our govts to react? There's a tendency to watch tragedies
 >> unfold.. I feel pretty helpless, myself...
 >>
 >> Emmy

 There has been some government reaction.  American has a small detachment of
 Air Force people flying C130's into Somalia from Nigeria.

 As I understand, the major problem is the wholesale theft of food.  I don't
 know what the world could do about that, short of a military takeover for the
 purpose of stoping the Civil war there.  Not only would this be a difficult
 operation, but it would be difficult to justify legally.

 Don't get me wrong, it pains me to see those people suffer.  There is another
 question here.  Where does the world draw the line on interfering with another
 countries internal affairs?  In Somalia, there are groups organized for the
 express purpose of defeating the other groups.  Who gets support in order to
 distribute food?  Who is opposed and why?  Does this justify violent action in
 order to accomplish good?

 I'm not saying Somalia shouldn't be helped.  What I am saying is that feeding
 these people is not that simple, given the political situation in Somalia.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:57:27 -0400
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you/i/we/they said ...

Date: 04 Oct 1992 14:09:45 -0500 (CDT)
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From: ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez)
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Date: 1 Oct 92 13:23:39 GMT
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General remark about SOmalia:

And what are we all doing about Somalia other than watching the news or
waiting for our govts to react? There's a tendency to watch tragedies
unfold.. I feel pretty helpless, myself...

Emmy
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:58:05 -0500
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Subject:      Re: I've been trying to keep up on it.

>> Where does the world draw the line on interfering with another countries
>> internal affairs?
   well, the way i see it, it's not a matter of the world drawing a line on
interference it's the united states.  the u.s. is the country that has over
the past decade or so, been trying to flex its 'military muscle' on any
country it sees fit.
   i don't have the answers to how to solve the problem, and regrettfully
the lack of ideas will lead to many more dying of starvation in areas
such as Somalia.  also, such world organizations as the u.n. it seems
are also very ineffectual in their attempts to bring order out of the
Chaos that is unravelling around the world.  maybe what is needed is for
all of the inhabitants of this planet to open their eyes if only for a
moment, and see that down deep we are all the same, and that we can get
along.  each of us has got a jump on the rest in that we can share with
each other, even though we realize that there are differences between us.
thus, apparently it falls to us to educate the rest in terms of love and
understanding between culture and race.
                                               joseph...
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:23:47 -0500
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Subject:      Re: I've been trying to keep up on it.

/emmy,

     it remains to be seen...  Peace...
                                          joseph...
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Date: 30 Sep 1992 04:09:19 GMT
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It's been several days since a new message was posted to this list.  
Is everyone off either taking or grading exams, or is it just the
down time all lists seem to have at one time or another?

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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:18:46 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Somalia

   Glad to see some focus on Somalia.  It is a sad situation, indeed.
One reason I think that we in the west wring our hands and do so little
(just as we did nothing as Cambodians were being killed by Pol Pot in
the 70s--to the tune of anywhere from 500,000 to a million--about
1/9 of the population) is because "those" people are so different from
us. What IS the name of the theory that states that we place people
in core/periphery areas (psychologically) and that those who become
our enemies, or those we do not understand/identify with get pushed
to the outer limits of the periphery so we let them die as if they were
not completely human (the old Vietnamese "gooks" thing).

I think with Somalia we're doing a similar kind of thing. But this may not
be all.  I also am a firm believer in interest groups rallying support
for causes (e.g., Bosnia, Nagorno-Karabakh, etc.) and getting media
attention.  Unfortunately, Somalis (like Cambodians and Ethiopians
before them) don't have much power in Congress or any strong lobbying
groups in the west (I'm assuming this--am I wrong?).

Then there is also the phenomenon of tragedy-overload.  How many
heart-rending crises can people react to meaningfully?  How many
times can people feel that doing something will even have an impact?
(Especially in a place so far away--Americans do seem to pour out money
and clothes, food, etc. for domestic victims of catastrophes [but not
for the chronically desperate homeless folks].)

From what we hear, Randall Robinson is absolutely correct: until Somalia
is blanketed with so much food that local clans cannot make money
selling it, there will continue to be problems. And current planeloads
are woefully inadequate, even just for Mogadishu (and it is my under-
standing that there are few, if any attempts to bring food in through
the very accessible north--Ethiopia--to feed northern Somalia).

Chelagoi, I would encourage you and others on Africa-l list to send
your essays on Somalia to newspapers, to TV stations, etc. Write letters
to the editors; enlist the help of congresspeople to send in editorials
(write the editorial for them and then let them put their name on it).
Save the Children and CARE seem to be doing good jobs in Somalia, we
might contact them also.

But as I heard someone say, America can stand only one Africa story at
a time.  This week it's elections in Angola.

Djamm ak djamm,
Joyce
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In Message Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:29:48 CST,
JIm said,

>Hello ALL-
>           I recently subscribed to this list and it seems extremly
>dead. What's going on?
>     I have a question- what should be done with the remains of
>Yugoslavia? How does one negotiate a peace (or at least a cease fire)
>when the groups involved are intent on wiping each other out?
The same question has been asked in Lebenon for a long time.  You are
correct in asking what shall be done with "the remains of Yougoslovia?"
There is only remains, of the infrustructure.  People are hidding everywhere
and anywhere.  Answer: Sijui (I don't now).

>     And Africa....
Now, this is another matter for me.  I know much more about Africa.  We have
been discussing the current, terrible drought and loss of life in the horn
and southern Africa.  I saw a report over the weekend that stated that now
there are more than 3500 people dying each day in Africa, just because they
do not have anything to eat!!!

>I have heard a few disturbing reports that
> some officials are talking of writing most of the continent off-
>that it would cost too much to feed, give basic medical ect...
Sure, some are talking of writing off the peoples of Africa.  The thing is,
first off, the African people themselves will have something to say about
that themselves.  It is not, entirely, a matter of what the rest of the
world will do.  There are too many experts, good hearts, and resources in
Africa for there to be any "write off."  However, for the sake of anything
good, the West must become more involved in helping Africa during this
present crisis.  It is indeed a CRISIS!  The West needs to be involved
because people are dying and the West needs to be involved because, if they
don't, the will have hardened their consciences over so as to be so
extremely unhealthy even to themselves.

Can be people live, having watch hundreds of thousands, even millions of
people, die of starvation, when they had more than enough food themselves?
If they can live after that, their lives are somehow less human, less
feeling ........ HOW SAD...(more and more tears)

---- Chelagoi
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Emmy,

Regarding intereference and so on......Yes, the world did interfere in
the case of Jews...back then.  Those were days when we (as a nation) had
ideals .... we fought atrocities and communism and rescued democracies...
Its been well over 15 years since we gave up all of that, we are now
practical and pragmatic and we remember to ask the crucial question..
What's in it for us? ....and we don't buy that crap about respect and
honour anymore........Its gotta be green!

zahir
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              5 Oct 1992 16:42:27 CST from <chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>

somehow this went to chelagoi & not the list.  am forwarding it now...

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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:42:27 CST Richard Chowning said:
>                                         The West needs to be involved
>because people are dying and the West needs to be involved because, if they
>don't, the will have hardened their consciences over so as to be so
>extremely unhealthy even to themselves.
>
>Can be people live, having watch hundreds of thousands, even millions of
>people, die of starvation, when they had more than enough food themselves?
>If they can live after that, their lives are somehow less human, less
>feeling ........ HOW SAD...(more and more tears)
>
>---- Chelagoi

Chelagoi I have involved in discussions and thinking about how
EVERYONE is damaged by racism (classism/sexism/etc.) and not just
the targets of it.  Your statement above illustrates it beautifully.
I am also reading a book called Modern Madness about how workplaces in
the West foster emotional ill health.  The thesis of the author is
similar to what you have said above.  Those who have learned to look
out for number one and to crawl over others to "get ahead"
may be considered a "success" by workplace standards, but pay the toll
for it in feelings of numbness and disconnection from others in their
home lives as well in their offices.  The author eloquently describes
"yuppies" who "have it made" and yet wind up in his office (he's
a psychologist or psychiatrist) wondering why they feel so empty
inside. As he says, what appears healthy may be unhealthy and vice
versa.

When I think of the cultural transformation that this all implies,
I become overwhelmed.  Yet I also believe that we are in the midst of
it.

Jean
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