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From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Official: Maradona to Sevilla
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:02:34 GMT
	<fh11.717721583@sol>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <fh11.717721583@sol> fh11@sol.acs.unt.edu (Brozovic Douglas)
writes:

>Does anyone have a list of a projected first team for Sevilla now that
>Maradona joins them?  How many (+ names) non-spanish players were on
>their books before ?

As far as I could see in the Sevilla-Bayern match, their other foreigners
should be the Argentinian Simeone and the Croatian Suker.
                                                        Saverio

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From: cadorin@jungfrau.cica.fr (Mauro Cadorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Some Serie A results, 10/4
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:51:40 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

Serie A results

Fiorentina-Milan 3-7
Genoa-Ancona	 4-4
Lazio-Parma	 5-2
Napoli-JUVE	 2-3
Torino-Sampdoria 2-2
Inter-Atalanta	 1-0
Cagliari-Roma	 1-0
Brescia-Foggia	 4-1
Udinese-Pescara	 5-2

48 goals have been scored today. It's the new record for the Italian 
championship with 18 teams. 
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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: Australia CCSL Rd 1
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:20:54 GMT

The first game for the season between Newcastle and Wollangong ended in a 0-0
draw.  The rest of the games are played today and tomorrow.

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From: liu10@scws6.harvard.edu (Eric Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: **Question on the Passing back to the Goalie Rule**
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:47:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct1.224745.16005
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I just have a question about the relatively new rule installed IAAF this 
year on passes back to the goalie.  Is it ilegal at any point of the game?
Or is it legal to pass the ball back if it is touched by a number of 
players or if it crosses midfield?  I know the forbacks can pass the ball
back with any other part of the body besides feet.  

Thanks in advance for your response.
-- 

Eric Liu, liu10@husc.harvard.edu
260 Quincy Mail Center, Cambridge, MA 02138-6609
From: ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool 2 Dons 3
Date: 28 Sep 1992 04:58:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au


	Taken from the West Australian Sept 28

===================================================================
	LIVERPOOL PLUNGE TO THE DANGER ZONE

	Liverpool, celebrating their 100th year as a football club, face
their biggest crisis of the century and goalkeeper Bruce Grobbelaar
fears they could be "dead and buried".
	The mighty Merseysiders, winners of a record 10 league titles in
the past 16 seasons and crowned European champions 4 times, have
descended to alarming depths this season.
	Saturday's 3-2 home defeat by Wimbledon, who had won only once
previously in the 1992 league campaign, left Liverpool one place above
the relegation zone and their veteran goalkeeper fuming about his
teammates' attitude.
	"I'm questioning if we are all in it together-I don't know if we
are," he said.
	Grobbelaar said there was a lack of co-operation in the defence
and added: "We've got to get it sorted out. We had better or we will be
dead and buried".
	Liverpool, with only 2 wins from their first 10 games, have made
their worst start to a season for 28 years.
	The team which once boasted the best defensive record in the
league has failed to keep a clean sheet this season, and has conceded 11
goals in its past 3 games, including a 4-4 home cup draw with third
division Chesterfield.
	Manager Graeme Souness angrily refuses to admit to any crisis,
but last week former captain Emlyn Hughes blamed the players for letting
the club down and described them as the worst Anfield team for 33 years.
	But the biggest reason for their disastrous start may be a
depressingly long injury list, which on Saturday included internations
Ian Rush, John Barnes, Ronnie Whelan, Steve Nicol, and Rob Jones.
	With a quarter of the season gone, and just four months after
winning the FA cup, Liverpool are fourth from the bottom and already 14
points behind leaders Norwich.

=========================================================================

	A thought: in the past seasons, many "big" teams have made such
horror starts to the season, like Arsenal, Man Utd, and Everton. Perhaps
because it has happened now to mighty Liverpool, previously often a 
cut above the rest, do we draw attention to their failures and defeats.
Sort of reminds me of the time when big Ron got the sack and was
replaced by Ferguson.... let's hope Liverpool do better ;)

	Eu Hin Chua
	University of Western Australia

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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: MY BELOVED *STILL* REIGNS
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:20:11 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <1992Sep25.142710.13040@phillip.edu.au> t8914229@phillip.edu.au writes:

>all the bloody fuss about MY BELOVED LIVERPOOL drawing with chesterfield.
>what about everton losing to rotherham???????  what about united only
>managing a draw against brighton?????  what about arsenal only managing
>a draw against milwall???????

And what about Liverpool being 19th in the Premier.  Arsenal, Everton
and Man Utd will all be in the Premier next season, but maybe not
Liverpool ... where will the collapse end?  Division Two?  Sack Souness
before the once-great club suffers the same fate as Wolves, Newcastle,
Man Utd, Man City, ...

Going down, going down, going down..... 

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: amcb@unixg.ubc.ca (Adam McBain)
Subject: Canadian Soccer League (Glasgow)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:33:09 GMT

Aaargh, isn't there some sort of net law against causing terminal
C 
homesickness? The results from Glasgow are great, but someone mentioned
The Blue Lagoon, I can taste the grease now, small unrecognisable objects,
all deep fried in batter, and smell that subtle blend of 3 month old black
pudding, diesel fumes, and cat piss (or could that be McEwans lager).

Cheers Dan.

Meanwhile here in Vancouver City, if there are any displaced Canadians
intersted, the 86'ers 4 year CSL championship domination was ended with
a 1:1 draw against the Winnipeg Fury, on Sunday night. The Fury had taken
the first leg 2:0 (although, under the bizarre system here, this counts
only as a win, no matter by how much), so the 86'ers required only a 1 goal
win in Vancouver to force extra time. In fact tey almost managed that, but
the Fury equalised, and took the championship, with 3 minutes reamining.

It looks like the Fury may be the last CSL champions ever, as Vancouver
have applied to jion the American Professional Soccer League, and the
teams in Montreal and Toronto may follow. The second of November is the
deadline for a minimum of 6 teams to stump up some dosh if the CSL is to
continue.

Sad, but by that time I may well be back where I belong - in Glasgow
lying in a gutter no doubt.

Adam
.
From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re:Souness Gets Vote, and some questions
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:19:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.100620.9147@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
writes:
 
> I still suspect that the enormous compensation they'd have to fork out to
> get
> rid of Souness will keep him there longer than he should be allowed to
> remain.
> After all, it cost them a fair bit by way of compensation to Rangers when
> he
> joined them if I remember rightly.
> 

I suspect the board are far more interested in success than they are in how
much compensation they have to pay - unless things have changed in recent
years. An ex-pat (as in no longer in Liverpool) scouser once told me that the
big difference between Forest and Liverpool, was that Forest kept their money
in the bank while Liverpool kept theirs on the pitch.

My guess is that if Liverpool go out in the return leg to Chesterfield, he'll
be on his bike. Assuming they win that as long as they can tread water
(winning and loosing in more or less equal amounts) 'til some of the injuries
are over he'll be safe. And once the injury `crisis' is over he'll be judged
by more usual Liverpool criteria,

Some questions:

Liverpool were promoted to the old First division back in the sixties, under
Bill Shankly.

When were they relegated to the second division?
Who was the manager then?
Was he sacked?
Where there any other managers in the interim (and if so where they sacked)?

And if Souness is to go, presumably his replacement will be someone that
Denise can fall madly in lust with. How does that effect the betting?

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Subject: Re: offside
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:05:15 GMT

In article <01GPEADXKHAQ9BVJAP@LTUVAX.BITNET> OB71330%LTUVAX.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (Oliver Bosnjakovski [LTU Soccer Club]) writes:
>
>
>Someone clear something up on this.
>
>Is even off or is it on?

The current law states that even is ON.

Dan "Heja Sverige" Sammartino

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From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Hungary round 8 (was Re: Hungarian Football)
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.021449.740@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gbarsai@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gabor Barsai) writes:
|> Could someone please tell me what is happening in the Hungarian Football 
|> league? I rarely get any news in Columbus on this topic. Also, did any 
|> Hungarian teams advance in the European Cups? I see even Lithuanian and 
|> Estonian league results in this newsgroup, so I guess that someone may have 
|> Hungarian results. Did anything happen when Slovan fans went to Budapest?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|>        Gabor

Results of October 3,4th:

diosgyor miskolc      -bekescaba             1-1                              
mtk budapest          -nyiregyhaza           4-0                              
novep bvsc            -csepel                3-1                              
raba eto gyor         -ujpest te budapest    2-1                              
siofok                -pecs msc              1-0                              
vac fc                -kispest budapest      2-0                              
vasas budapest        -videoton              1-1                              
veszprem              -ferencvaros           0-3                              

  1.vac fc                   8   6   0   2  12   17-   8    9                 
  2.ferencvaros              8   5   2   1  12   12-   6    6                 
  3.vasas budapest           8   4   3   1  11   12-   7    5                 
  4.mtk budapest             8   3   3   2   9   17-  12    5                 
  5.videoton                 8   4   1   3   9   14-   9    5                 
  6.diosgyor miskolc         8   3   3   2   9   10-  11   -1                 
  7.kispest budapest         8   3   2   3   8   12-  11    1                 
  8.siofok                   8   4   0   4   8   11-  12   -1                 
  9.pecs msc                 8   4   0   4   8    8-  10   -2                 
 10.bekescaba                8   2   3   3   7   11-  11    0                 
 11.csepel                   8   2   3   3   7    9-  10   -1                 
 12.nyiregyhaza              8   2   3   3   7    7-  11   -4                 
 13.ujpest te budapest       8   1   4   3   6    6-   8   -2                 
 14.novep bvsc               8   2   2   4   6    8-  11   -3                 
 15.raba eto gyor            8   1   4   3   6    7-  11   -4                 
 16.veszprem                 8   1   1   6   3    7-  20   -13                

About the European results: I only remember:

Ferencvaros was eliminated by Slovan Bratislava

FC Vac eliminated FC Groningen (1-0,1-1)


timo
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Subject: Premier results
Reply-To: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Organization: UK/Canada/Netherlands Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:05:12 GMT

Premier results:

Blackburn Rovers 2 - 0 Oldham     Shearer (again, 11 out of 11 games)
                                  Ripley
Man U  0 - 0 QPR                  Unfortunately not a repeat of last
                                  years famous 1-4
Liverpool 2 - 3 Wimbledon         ho ho

Coventry  1 - 1 Norwich           Blackburn move into 2nd

Leeds  2 - 0 Everton

Boro   2 - 3 Villa

Chelsea  0 - 0 Forest

Ipswich  0 - 0 Sheff Utd

Palace   1 - 2 Soton             Why don't they play Speedie ???


Won't be long before Kenny's army are top of the league!!

Cheers

         Graeme.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: Re: UNIVISION: Boring!!
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.165814.158@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...) writes:
|> 
|> What the heck is wrong with UNIVISION?
|> They, again, showed one of the most boring games I've ever seen!
|> Even the commentators seemed to be bored to death!
|> Is it that they can't afford to broadcast "European" (Spanish or Italian)
|> games or what?!?
|>
Which game are you referring to ?
Anyway, I agree totally that some of their games have been boring,
but they do show a lot of Spanish and Italian league games.
You seem to insinuate that only "European" games are interesting;
I've seen many boring european games, and many exiting South American
games. They just need to pick the best possible matches from wherever.

ciao,

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From: lynch@prl.philips.nl (B. Lynch 42262)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scottish Teams in Europe
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:45:12 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: none

In article <26504@castle.ed.ac.uk> efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
>The draw for the various European competitions has given each Scottish
>side a difficult tie, they are as follows
>
>
>European Cup:          Rangers vs Leeds Utd or Stuggart
                        ^^^^^^^                 ^^^^^^^^
>
>UEFA Cup:              Celtic vs B. Dortmund
>                       Hearts vs Standard Liege
>
>
>If Leeds do get through then the game against Rangers will be a cracker.
>
>                            James


I presume you mean Stuttgart, but in the light of the present
discussion would that be VfB Stuttgart or Stuttgarter Kickers ?? ;-)

Brian Lynch


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From: kbg00@cas.org ([Ken Gilbert (x3432)])
Subject: Re: Blackburn & other trends....
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:12:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.132307.5650@gw.wmich.edu> statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Once more in the so exciting English Leaque an outsider is ahead.
>Did Blackburn gain promotion to the Premier Division just this year?
>I see a trend here that has been happening frequently in the last
>few years in England; that is, a team which was just promoted dominating
>the first few months of the Premier Division. Leeds last year, Man. Utd
>in 1978(I think), Swansea about 10 years ago. I can't recall any more examples
>but,
>  PLEASE CAN ANY OF THE EXPERTS ON ENGLISH FOOTBALL FIND SOME MORE
>  EXAMPLES OF "first 2-3 months domination of teams just promoted"
>  IN THE ENGLISH LEAQUE PREMIER DIVISION??
>  Note: The team wouldn't have to end the leaque succesfully.
>N.B. In my opinion this is unique in the world of soccer and makes the
>     English Leaque very interesting.
>
I would say that this is *not* unique to english soccer.  For example, there
was the "crazy year" of 1977-1978 where Nottingham Forest won the English
First Division, Monaco won the French 1st division, and VfB Stuttgart
finished fourth in the Bundesliga after just being promoted.

Ken Gilbert (kbg00@cas.com)
VfL 1900 Borussia Moenchengladbach
Deutsche Vizepokalsieger 1992
2 Bundesliga Meister 1994  (the way things are going... :( )
From: michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Polska liga, round 9
Summary: Wyniki 9. kolejki
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:05:53 GMT


Round 9 of Polish league (played last weekend).


1) SIARKA TARNOBRZEG  -  LECH POZNAN  0:1
                          Podbrozny    '76


2) STAL MIELEC  -  RUCH CHORZOW  2:1
   Fedoruk     '62 (pk)   Ge,sior      '70
   Barnak      '82


3) WISL~A KRAKOW  -  ZAWISZA BYDGOSZCZ  6:1
   Janik       '18        L~yskawka     '8
   Marzec      '26
   Gosciniak   '28
   Swie,tek    '42
   Janik       '52
   Gosciniak   '76


4) ZAGL~E,BIE LUBIN  -  SLA,SK WROCL~AW  7:0 !!
   Dylus        '3
   Michaliszyn '32
   Dylus       '51
   Stachurski  '55
   Dylus       '79
   Grech       '80
   Michaliszyn '81


5) JAGIELLONIA BIAL~YSTOK  -  GKS KATOWICE  0:0


6) POGON SZCZECIN  -  GORNIK ZABRZE  0:0


7) L~KS L~ODZ  -  SZOMBIERKI BYTOM  2:1
   Podolski    '37        Ksia,zek     '56
   Wieszczycki '90


8) OLIMPIA POZNAN  -  WIDZEW L~ODZ  2:2
   Motylinski  '14        Koniarek     '35
   Pachelski   '23        Iwanicki     '45 (pk)


9) LEGIA WARSZAWA  -  HUTNIK KRAKOW  2:0
   Sliwowski   '35
   Kowalczyk   '66


TABLE
=====
    Team        Points   Goals
------------------------------------
 1. Lech         16-2    18:2
 2. Widzew       14-4    19:9
 3. L~KS         14-4    14:9
 4. Legia        13-5    15:8
 5. Ruch         12-6    16:7
 6. Zagl~e,bie   10-8    17:10
 7. Katowice     10-6    13:7
 8. Stal         10-8    12:9
 9. Wisl~a        8-10   16:10
10. Hutnik        8-10   13:11
11. Siarka        7-11   12:16
12. Pogon         7-11    8:15
13. Gornik        6-10    7:11
14. Szombierki    6-12    8:13
15. Sla,sk        6-12   10:24
16. Zawisza       5-13    6:17
17. Jagiellonia   4-14    7:20
18. Olimpia       4-14    5:18

Cheers.

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From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re(Derby??)
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:20:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: rata.199210010021.AA07866

I can only agree with Colin Shield. Newcastle United have the best crop of
young players in the country, and what's more the majority of them have
league experience. Aside from Clark, Peacock and Watson you have the likes
of Howey, Makem etc who have all played for the first team. Howey is
currently keeping Brian Kilcline out of the team. Don't forget all you
Spurs fans it was Newcastle United that gave the world Waddle and Gasgoine,
so now we have a relatively progressive Board of Directors and a good
manager we will be able to keep our good young talent and just watch the
Magpies rise.

Martin Phillipson
Faculty of Law
Victoria University of Wellington
Wellington
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Subject: Re: Carlisle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:58:56 +0000







In message <1992Sep28.125811.898@inmos.co.uk> pete@kirk.inmos.co.uk (Pete
McGuiness) wrote:

>Carlisle were in the (old) first division in the mid 70's. I can't remember whi
c
h
>year exactly but I do seem to remember they had a meteoric rise through the low
e
r
>divisions - and a pretty spectacular subsequent fall!

I think it was 1974-5 and I think Carlisle were the first team to benefit
from 3 up/3 down. It was a particularly amusing season 'cos Man Utd had
managed to get relegated and so were a division below Carlisle. Carlisle's rise
and fall was actually quite slow compared to the likes of Northampton Town
and Swansea City who went from Div 4 to 1 and back again in less than 10 years.

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Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 15:30:58 CET
From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    West Bromwich Albion

Are there any baggies fans out there that can let me know how
the lads are playing in this mediocre league they're still in.

All I know is that they are winning (at bloody last)

Thanks in advance, Sean
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:03:51 -0400 
From: Andy Yin Meau <am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: disappointment


I can't believe Manchester United lost to Torpedo by penalty kicks.  I
expected Manchester United to be in the quarterfinals at least.  What a
let down!  I wonder what happened.  Did Bryan Robson played at all?  I
don't know what more to write.

Andy