From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: ==> Rhetoric Vs. Reality--The First Debate
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:09:24 GMT

Highlight:
"CLINTON is the status-quo candidate.  Spread the word, 'cause it's
the truth.  He's promising more of the same in tax increases and
spending increases. He will deliver. He'll also deliver higher
deficits, but he's kind of quiet about that. "

In article <1992Oct12.111941.13258@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
><U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>> October 11, 1992
>
>By whom? Looks like a Clinton campaign release.

>> RHETORIC: His economic program is more of the same. He's proposed the
>> same trickle-down economics of the past -- a 1 percent tax break and
>> a capital gains tax break which will give millionaires $108,000 and
>> people making $20-30,000 only $111. [Citizens for Tax Justice, based
>> on Department of Treasury figures.]
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reason number #106 not to vote for Bill Clinton:
Their press releases are citing the same sources harelb uses
when he posts his HarelStatistics. Citizens for Tax Justice is
a Naderite soak-the-rich group with a definite tax increase agenda. 
Their statistics are biased to the point of meaninglessness:
For example, an across the board cut in income taxes of 1% of income
will give a millionaire $10,000 less in taxes, and someone making
$20,000 less than $200 less income. So the millionaire got
a "bigger" break.  So what? the *proportion* of taxes paid doesn't
change much.

>Have you bothered to include the number of people who purchased houses
>many years ago and today are unable to sell them because they would get
>socked with taxes? Nah, thought not.
>
>> RHETORIC: After George Bush visited Japan last year, Prime Minister
>> Miyazawa said he felt dojo -- "sympathy" or "compassion" -- for the
>> United States of America. 
>
>How many people are swimming to Japan every year in an attempt to 
>participate in their economic system?
>
>
>> Under the
>> Republicans, U.S. productivity has grown at roughly 1 percent,
>> compared to 2.8 percent for Japan.
>
>Of course, this does not mean that U.S. productivity would have grown
>any faster under Democrats.

Also, ignorews the fact that in the 1980's industrial productivity
climbed 5% per year; this was much better than in the 1970's.
Even this year, we are making good gains in productivity 
(that's the flipside to having an economy growing while the number
of jobs do not increase much.)

>> Since 1980, the United States has been transformed from the world's
>> largest creditor to the world's largest debtor.
>
>This implies a change of status, which is false. The U.S. is still the
>world's largest creditor nation.

Right. They are using false accounting to claim this. If you calculate
the changed value of overseas investments since purchase, we are
still a creditor nation.
 
>> The Commerce Department says the United States is losing to Japan
>> in developing 10 out of 12 critical technologies and gaining in none.
>
>Of course, if we had an incentive for people to invest in America, like
>a capital gains tax cut.... Nah....
>
>
>> RHETORIC: Under George Bush, the misery index has increased from 9.4
>> to 10.4 percent in September.
>
>What was the peak misery index under Carter? 

Over 20 ... far higher than it is today. 

>> In the same time period, Arkansas'
>> index declined by almost one-fifth.

Over one month?? How about... over 12 years, while Clinton
has been Governor of Arkansas, job growth has lagged the nation,
and wages scales remain near the bottom of the 50 states.

>So? I wasn't aware that Arkansas had national monetary and fiscal
>policymaking powers.

>> RHETORIC: "I think it's wrong to demonstrate against your own
>> country. I just find it impossible to understand how an American can
>> demonstrate against his own country"
>
>RHETORIC: Your entire posting.
>
>> RHETORIC: President Bush didn't always feel this way. During the
>> Vietnam War he supported people's right to demonstrate against the
>> U.S.
>
>I also believe that Bush added a statement to the effect of "on foreign
>soil" or "in a foreign country", which you so conveniently forgot to
>include. Or, should I say, Clinton's writers forgot to include.

Ooops ... Clinton "forgets" a lot of things.

>> RHETORIC: This charge is based on the false assumption that the only
>> increase in revenue comes from raising the individual income tax
>> rate. In fact, the Clinton plan raises billions from other sources,
>> including $58 billion from closing corporate tax loopholes.
>
>Yup. Tax-and-spend. And Clinton says Bush "stands for more of the same".

CLINTON is the status-quo candidate.  Spread the word, 'cause it's
the truth.  He's promising more of the same in tax increases and
spending increases. He will deliver. He'll also deliver higher
deficits, but he's kind of quiet about that.

>> RHETORIC: On taxes. George "Read My Lips" Bush gave us the second
>> biggest tax increase in American history. 
>
>I must have missed it when the democratically-controlled Congress assumed
>blameless status? Did the original 1990 budget that Bush submitted have a
>tax increase in it? Or, was the tax increase added by Congress?

The original "compromise" between Darman and the Democrats had a small
token tax increase, along with spending controls.
After it failed due to Republican opposition to the tax increase
and liberal opposition to cutting spending, the Democrats 

Perot said something very important. If you go back and look,
they *raised spending $1.85 for every $1 they raised in taxes.
And they wonder why the deficit is as high as it is now.

>> He has consistently raised
>> taxes on the middle class.
>
>And, unfortunately, you have to in order to raise tax revenue.

With the help of tax-hiker Al Gore, who supported the tax increases
the campaign now criticizes.

>[Yet more RHETORIC deleted]

Really .... I have to delete the rest. This Clinton campaign stuff
is pretty bad - therre is just too much nonsense in it. ) 

Pat
		Bill Clinton: The Status-Quo Candidate