HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:05:46 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <s075198.718310009@cunews> s075198@ceres.carleton.ca (Jun Liu) writes:
>(deleted)
>I agree that you can't do anything to change the budget, neither can I.
>Nevertheless, we can also launch a campaign, alongside of the donation
>campaign, to demand the government to pay more attention to the meager
>situation of the eduation. It seems to me is, if not more, as important 
>as the donation campaign.
>Regards
>
>Jun Liu @ Ottawa

Exactly.  And when you have a donation champign, you will have better
chance to get more attention. So these two are not exclusive to each
other. According to news report, CG is drafting a set of rules to
evaluate the officials. Well, it is good time for oversea Chinese to
call for attention. Local education should have a heavy weight in such
evaluation.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Hu Qiao-Mu died
Organization: MITRE
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:35:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.073647.20776@marlin.jcu.edu.au>,
phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep29.035931.22164@news.acns.nwu.edu> zhang@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Tongguang Zhang) writes:
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Tongguang Zhang
> Hu Qiao-Mu was a student leader, according to CND news.
> 
> J Su
> 
> 
> 
One joke about KMT.  In KMT's army, officiers are more than soldiers;
rifles are more than bullets.   Just for curiosity, how many student
leaders? Shen Tong? WuErKaiXi? Li Lu? Zhao Hiqin?
............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:45:30 GMT

In article <BvI3G9.As0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>I am not meant to discourage you. People in the world don't believe so.
>The majority American believe Japan will be the best in the next century. 
>While China will have to struggle against its own problems. The biggest
>problem for China is communism. If China insists on communism, it will
>become the enemy of world, therefore people in the world will try to
>block the development of China.

You believe China insists on communism? That's something before 1978.
The only political problem is dictatorship. This will be less so
when new leaders appear because they have less personal prestige.

The international friendship has nothing to do with whether a country
is 'good' or 'evil'.


>
>My prediction to China in next 50 years is that China will be in chaos
>after Deng Xiaoping's death. The chaos was be caused by people's feeling
>on Tiananmen Massacre and isolation of the world. 

'people' usually are selfish enough to concentrate only on their own
business. Mao's China was isolated from the world but not chaotic.
If there is any chaos, it may caused by the conflicts inside CCP itself.

>Two possible outcomes:
>one, communist party will be dead, China will join the world community;

you mean like Russia? cancalling the sale of warships to Iran following
USA's pressure? So Russia is a respectful member of the world community?

>two, China will be in civil war in which thousands of thousands of people
>will die.

There is such danger, but economical development tends to have a better
chance for Peaceful Evolution.

>
>China has its tradition of resisting changes of the world. The whole world
>has abandoned communism except China. China is too stuburn to become
>world leader. Besides, looking at how arrogant you guys are, no body
>in the world will like to see China strong. If you are against the world,
>you are in trouble, not even to mention development.

Don't be too perssimistic, modern history shows that China has a reputation
of following the western civilization:
1. KMT introduced western political, military and administration systems.
2. CCP introduced Marksism from Germany and Russia.
Now there are massive trade and personal exchanges between China and  the
World. CG has not shown any intention of closing the doors. 
This will inject many positive factors into China.

H.Pan
-------------
pan@hermes.hut.fi
From: Jan Shi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Bill, Bill, Bill ...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:37:42 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: citation.ksu.ksu.edu


Hello, Shannon :

	I bet you have some common senses.

	The S1216 bill only give a choice to all those Chinese students.
	They may or *may not* choice to stay here. But at least they
	*are not* forced to go back. This is what people called Freedom.

	I bet if you do not like to stay here, you would like to go back
	and serve your motherland. But let other people alone and let other
	people make any choice they want to make. 

	Take care of yourself.

Jan Shi
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 9.9 Chong Yang (Was Re: Oct 1, Our National Day)
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:42:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    It is understandable that Chinese overseas would like to have a Chinese
holiday.  However, from what I read recently, I am not alone for not giving
a damn to CCP's 10.1 "National Day."  So what about 9.9 Chong Yang?  It is
today (Sunday, October 4).  Chong Yang is a holiday to enjoy life, and very
rich in cultural context.

    By the way, I stopped to celebrate 10.1 in China.  Not because I didn't
like CCP at that time, but because my fellow villagers never do it.  The
People's Commune didn't give us a two-day break anyway.  We only celebrate
traditional holidays marked in the lunar calendar.


<> --------------------------------------------------------------------- <>
<>  Sanyee Tang                   ((())))      Here lies a simple man    <>
<>  B.C. Research Corporation   (( _   _ ))       Who strove to do       <>
<>  Vancouver, B.C., Canada     (-(@)~(@)-)       The work of ten        <>
<>  (604) 275-7746               |   ..  |   Had there been nine others  <>
<>  Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca   | \___/ |     He might have succeded    <>
<> ------------------------------ \_____/ ------------------------------ <>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: 
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:22:54 GMT

In <92276.022303XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


>> Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
>> than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.

>         Nothing more valuable than independence?

>         To a Bai3 Xing4, independence and freedom are equally important.
>         And what does the independent country mean to the dependent
>         people?


>         X Xu

Being slaves of their own race rather than foreigners.

F. Wang
From: binlee@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Nankai Alumni Address Info.
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:48:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



Dear Nankai folks:

     After I post the news that I want to edit Nankai Alumni Address Book
on soc.culture.china and CND,I have received a lot of inforamtion from 
alumni,a lots of encourgement and help.

     Thanks for all you alumni,it will be impossible to finish this work 
without your great help.Thanks again.

I would like to express my special thanks to following alumni:

           Yuekuan Li,Weihong Xie,Gengying Gao 

    They sent me some lists of Nankai Alumni,that is really helpful to me.
I also like to express my special thanks to Yong Li,Yanpei Deng,they suggest
to start up the Oversea Nankai Alumni Association again.Some other alumni also
have same idea.

     Besause there are a lot of work to do,I am sorry sometime I can not reply
to some alumni in time,I hope I will try my best to reply every one ASAP.

    since the edit work is still in progress,I receive almost one or two 
message everyday,so I can not give everyone the list now,it is too incomplete.
I will send everyone the list probably in mid-Oct. 

    By the way,I only have some alumni's phone number and address,no email 
address,it is hard for me to contact with them.Once again,please help me let
as more as possible Nankai Alumni know this work and send message to me.

    Thanks a lot for all your help.


    Best reagards to everyone.


    Bin Lee
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:38:00 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <BvoMGC.8yr@> yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
>
>I do wonder whether there's a general term for Hawaiin natives
>similar to "Indians" for American natives?  I guess they should be 
>called "Chinese" or "Japanese", in the same spirit as "Indians". :-)

According to them, they are Islanders and we are Mainlanders. The Islanders
are mostly not Chinese or Japanese origin, even though there are lots of 
Japanese immigrations there.
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: No Comment (fwd)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:39:58 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <QINYI.92Oct3133103@r6i.uk.ac.man.cs> qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD)) writes:
>(deleted)
>Do most of us remember the old saying, "Jun1 pin2 fu4, deng3 gui4 jian4"?
>People's mind has been directed by such a slogan for hundreds, even more
>than a couple of thousands, years.

This is a confirmation. Similar words two thousands years ago came
from Dr. Johnny: "Bu Huai Ping er Huai Bu Jun; Bu Huai Gua er Huai Bu An".
(It does not matter if a country is poor, what matters is whether the
limited fortune is equally distributed; it does not matter if a country
has no large population, what matters is whether the country is stable).

This is another deep rooted problem in our culture. And that is why
Mao and his grand kids could move the mass from time to time.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Future of China........
    <lcs7h6INNboo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:12:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

>In article <97448@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>Be aware of salted vegetables (canned) from Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, when
>>
>>Pei-ling of Shi-chuan, wrong. Water+Standing+Mouth is not earth+standing+mouth.
>>You should say Fu-ling of Sichuan.
>>
>Thanks for lecture. That is the problem, CCP simplified the writing and used
>a lot of wrong words.

>>Please donate a few bucks to SOS China Education Fund. Thank you.
>>
>Sure, will do.

>>SOS China Education Fund was a non-political org., to help poor students in
>>rural China. Now the members including tens of Chinese students and scholars
>>and a few American friends. Interested friends please join us.
>>-- 
>Isn't that people believe China is going to be the world 3rd economy power?
>If so, why SOS China Education Fund?

Hi, if those quarters are so important to you, just say so.
I do not see anything wrong for those radio and TV stations to ask for
donation here in the US. Do you?

>China doensn't neet help. CCP regional officials are so rich (eat a lot
>and expensive daily).
From: yangchen@iris.usc.edu (Yang Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Blood Card Lottery
Date: 2 Oct 1992 09:48:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: iris.usc.edu

yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

>I don't think that Bush will pass the bill, but many people think so.  
   ^^^^^
>Unfortunately, neith do I nor do those "many people" have the power
>to control George Bush.  So, how about playing a Blood Card Lottery?

But your earlier prediction was 51% (veto) to 49% (sign) in terms of
possibility. Do I see a conflict here.

Yang
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Nie Weiping is visiting Taiwan (Re: ROC vs PRC)
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1a7elvINNk8h@leo.asc.slb.com> jchang@cedrick.asc.slb.com (Jeff Chang) writes:
>
>I hope you're only speaking for yourself but not for the countless 
>innocent people fallen victims to the numerous political movements 
>occurred since 1949 in mainland.

Of course I am speaking for myself - as I always do, from the day I was
born.  Are you also speaking for yourself?

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26552 soc.culture.taiwan:14045
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:39:50 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <lcehk8INNk1p@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.183110.23225@tamsun.tamu.edu>  (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>>>>>
>>We are in no way trying to condone CCP's crimes. All we are trying to
>That was the point. CCP did all crime, fooled you young people, and
>still get the support. Isn't that same as some one killed your relative,
>robbed your property and still try to get marry some one in your family?
>
>Stick on the subject. Don't say anything you don't know. Those learnt
>from CCP books and propagan just mean BS!
>
>>Why do you think KMT can regain support
>>but not CCP. You just don't get it. 
>
>They are not the same animal. One is tiger, the other is cow.
>A tiger killed 100 million in the past 40 years. That has no competitor
>in the universe.
>
>>Ah Ha, I know, CCP took away
>>all your privileges when you fled in 1949 so you just have one
>>faith: get revenge. Unfortunately, majority of the Chinese are
>>not like you. I really think you need to have your mind balanced.
>>
>As long as CCP is there, China has no picture. As long as China
>is pronounced to be CCP, it means dead forever!
>All the world communist countries are dying off, (same as your logic)
>why CCP can survive? (because some of you still support CCP)
>
Well, we got your message, that you hate CCP. that is fine, nothing
wrong with it. The trouble is, that when you use some unproven fact to
force other people to follow you is rediculars. Have you ever been in
China? Have you ever been under CCP. Most of us have been living under
CCP for several decades. We have seen, we feel, the tragedy brought by
CCP. We know the problem of CCP than those who just copy some stories
from Zhong Yang Daily fabricated by some one who know nothing about CCP
but afraid. 

When mentioning 100 million people and most of them were KMT. Would you
provide the source of the discription? Repeating it many times doesn't
prove anything. For me, I can say that CCP has killed more CCPs than
KMTs.

It is human nature that everybody wants to be other's mentor, teacher,
leader or what ever to prove their superioty. We had Jian, Mao, and for
the small patatos we can also find examples all around us. But to be a
successful one you got to have real stuff instead of some fake things.
BTW, if people don't listen too you, don't be angry. And dump a lot of
trash on them. It won't help.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu> chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu  
(Chenwei Yan) writes:
> 
> I agree with you 100%.
> Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
> stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries for  
good
> expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
> in the world and crush all the opponents!
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
> 
> Let's all work for that goal!


Sounds like soon there will be another Hitler in China! You know, at least in  
1930s and early 1940s, Germans felt almost the same way Chenwei Yan is feeling  
now. They ended up with their homeland Germany devided into two parts.

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26775 soc.culture.taiwan:14107
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: (Holly Fly) Re: Future of China........
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:32:41 GMT
Organization: MITRE

> Another turn of China will be the world 3rd economy power??????
> 
> No way! Not uder CCP! Not until people are more educated (higher literacy).
> While I was on the ferry ship from Chongqing to Wuhan, I saw that the ship`
> directly pumped the river water for drinking, for cooking, for bathing. And
> you know what? The water was still yellow like, fairly polluted. In fact,
> many people live along the Yantze River have no tapped water. They have to
> depend on river water. In the meanwhile, the ships dump trash into river
> day by day and nobody seems to care. The ships don't care of water usuage,
> don't care about human lives, so the ships are always overloaded that may
> beyond the safe range.

> It doesn't have to be bias to criticize the problems daily happening in mainland.
> Except the city of Beijing is barely catching up, the rest of China is far
> behind, even Shanghai is behind in many aspects. How can a country behind
> in every aspects be the world strong country of 21 century?
> 
> You wish! I will pray! While the regional CCP officials become to dominate
> China, China will soon be late Qing. The CCP reform has made many companies,
> and the regional CCP officials became the managers of the companies.
> Watch the tiger, don't ignore the wolf!
> 
> 
This kind of debate is pointless.  The definition of "future" is to vague. 
Is it means GNP? military power? population?.....Even it means GNP, is it
measured by US dollar? by buying power? ....This reminds me of an old
christian church story.  If a fly dropped into a cup of holly water, is
this fly contaiminate the holly water or this holly water purified this fly
and make this fly to be a "Holly Fly?"  Do not waste your precious time on
debating these pointless
issue.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26940 talk.politics.china:1639
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:40:41 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct5.141300.23479@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>I support this bill "from the bottom of my heart."  O.K.  The only thing I
>do not like in this bill is the tilte, if it could be changed to "Free
>Immigation Bill" that will be much better.  Don't you think
>so?

Immigration for free?  No lawer's fee?  Sounds so good.  But don't
forget that we are working on human right, not green stuff.  This also
reminded me that I posted at MFN-debate that one group lobby for green,
and another group lobby for UMFN :)  It turned out if you support the
bill, you should support CMFN (China get most favored nation upon
condition of improving human right, fair trade, limit weapon sale - the
last two mean buy more, sell less in my non-prof term).

I really don't care the bill and have not been involved.  It is bit
attempting.  Just remind you that follow-up is directed to
talk.politics.china only.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:45:49 EDT
From: <SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Radical view

        China and the ROC will unite and rise to take their rightful place
  under the sun.


UNITY.

"Time is not Absolute "
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26657 talk.politics.china:1486
From: aguo@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (aihua guo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvEyKq.L4o
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bv3GCI.7wr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>   do something for yourself ...
> ..., ...
 Yes, I will do something for myself, but not by using other people's blood
and telling lies. I am against this bill.
From: chu@gondor.hw.stratus.com (The_Ninth_Eccentric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:25:40 GMT
Organization: The Eccentrics

>For network expert: What is the abbreviation of the word ALOHA.
>I don't need analysis, only the origin of the abbreviation. Thanks.

I am not a network expert, but I believe that the question you wanted to 
ask was 'what does ALOHA stand for?'

ALOHA is used to express greetings or farewells in Hawaii.  I don't believe it
is the abbreviation of anything.  In the realm of computer networks, ALOHA was
the name of the first computer system that employs radio frequency instead of 
point-to-point wires for its communications.  The ALHOA system was originated
from the University of Hawaii.

...The_Ninth_Eccentric
From: liud@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Don Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: awarded help needed in name spelling ...
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:41:28 GMT
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis

I am going to post a story. But I could have spelled the figure's name wrong.
Can anyone tell me how to spell Dr. "Ji Xin Ge". Is it Kisinger?

(Nixon's envoy to China in 1971)

If I got this cleared up, I promise to post a story today. Otherwise
it will take several days before I found the name's correct spelling.

Meauw!
  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26515 soc.culture.taiwan:14023
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:44:06 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Sep24.004250.14432@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>Hmmm.  North Korea?  With the helps of the Soviet Union and China?
>
>The United States fought to save South Korea.  What is wrong with that?

Had the United States fought only to save South Korea, it is very
unlikely that the Chinese would have entered the Korean War.  The
problem was that once American troops crossed the 38th parallel and
headed northward, Mao and his friends became very nervous.  What
worried them was the possibility that American troops would not stop
once they reached the Yalu River and would continue into Manchuria.
Even if the United States did stop at the Yalu River, China would have
to garrision a lot of troops at its border with Korea to defend itself
against a hostile regime.

Also, I agree with you that Chiang Kai-Shek had almost no influence in
the American decision to enter the Korean War.