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From: liz@banzai.WPI.EDU (Mistress Elizabeth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: commercial MIDI products - opinions wanted
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:19:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I am currently working on a project for school that will involve writing
a program to translate standard MIDI files to some printable musical
score format.  (Most likely, it will interface with MusicTeX.)  Flipping
through some musician magazines, I have seen a few programs that look a 
great deal like the one my project will be.  I would appreciate any 
feedback on these, and other, programs:

	Master Tracks Pro 4 & Encore (Windows or Mac)
	Composer's MOSAIC (Windows or Mac)
	Notator SL (Atari SL)


In addition, any opinions about what should be in this type of program
would be most appreciated.  Thank you!

					--Liz

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From: rcleon@svbs01.bs.win.tue.nl (Leon Oninckx)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Contact with Yamaha PSR 500 users wanted
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: rcleon@bs.win.tue.nl
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

I'd like to get in touch with people who also have a Yamaha PSR-500
and use it along with a Commodore Amiga. Please reply via email
to rcleon@win.tue.nl
Thanks,
-Leon
From: ewa@cs.ucsd.edu (Eric Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Dang, my AKAI AX80 is broken - advice?
Keywords: AKAI AX80 AX-80
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:34:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

I have an AKAI AX-80 - anyone remember these?  It is about 8 years old.
Anyway, one of the eight oscillators doesn't sound, so about every 8th
note is silent when it is played.  Not a pleasant musical effect!  Has
anyone had this happen to them?  Anyone know if service is still available
for this model?  (Used, but working, it would be maybe $350 these days)

Eric Anderson, UC San Diego
ewa@ucsd.edu
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Clavinet Example (was: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:10:00 GMT


About the most 'famous' clavinet example is the song Superstition by
Stevie Wonder.  The whole thing is Clavinet with whammy bar.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Why General MIDI is good for music
Organization: Axis Communications AB, Lund Sweden
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:33:33 GMT

In article <jq6n-=n.metlay@netcom.com> metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:
>Several electronic musicians (including Yves Labat, Morton Subotnick, Klaus
>Schulze, Jean-Michel Jarre, and myself) have developed PERSONAL means of 
>scoring electronic music, for their OWN needs and setups. These have never

The best way of describing your favourite sounds is probably a set of
parameter lists for your Xpander (or Microwave, or Prophet-V or MiMi-a or
what have you ...... ) Try to cram *that* into 7 bits of General Midi
Program Change information ...

:-) :-) :-)

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From: stuartm@spider.co.uk (Stuart MacNeill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: SY/TG-55 PCM cards
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:37:22 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Hi there,

I am looking for PCM cards for the Yamaha SY/TG-55 synth, does anyone out
there know which ones are available and which sounds are on them ???

Please reply via email if you can.

Thanks in advance,
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: DX7 list was Re: CZ101 for sale
Organization: Dicomed, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.111827.17412@stc.nato.int> koelman@stc.nato.int writes:
>> 
>> Beep... HUh? oh, someone's pushing the button.
>> DX7?  Yeah I also paid about $2000 for mine, just before they raised the
>> prices again.  A used DX7 may not be worth $500.  A DX7 with a hard case
>> maybe.  A DX7 with E! definitely.  I have thought about buying an extra
>> DX7/E! just in case something happens to mine, but I do have the service
>> manuals, so short of parts becoming unavailable, I should be able to  
>keep
>> it running for a few more years.  My dream now (one man's dream being  
>another
>> man's nightmare) would be to get the E! ROM source and a cross assembler  
>so
>> I could customize it.
>
>What CPU is actually in there?
>  
>--
>Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
>SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
>The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)


Now that I have the schem in front of me, and know I'm not spewing forth
misimformation... The main CPU is a 6303 (63B03 to be precise).  There is
also a 6805S that is used for processing the panel, keyboard, pitch bend,
etc.  The sound generator chips are custom Yamaha.  The docs for the machine
are excellent; detailed theory of operation, register addresses, memory maps,
the whole shebang.  

Regards,
Doug Plate Sr.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson)
Subject: Re: SMPTE Woes
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:20:30 GMT

b78261@venus.cap.mmc.com (Kevin Brislin) writes:


>	I am having a problem using SMPTE sync in my studio. I'm using an Outbound
>2030 notebook computer with Vision 1.4 and a Tascam 244 Portastudio for
>analog tracks. Vision recognizes the SMPTE track and displays timecode with
>no problem, but once I specify the offset (the starting point that I want
>the sequence to start following the tape) Vision will only play for a few
>seconds and then drop sync. I've tried this with different tapes, two different
>recorders, and many different recording levels...all to no avail.
>	Does anyone have an idea what is going on and why this is happening? I've
>called Outbound and Opcode on this, but both point to each other as the
>blame even though they can't substantiate why. Help!!!
>Kevin

Could this have to do with the noise reduction (DBX or whatever)
circuitry that is implicit in the 244 (and can't be turned-off)?  Maybe
your SMPTE code is being filtered out!

Just a thought,

alberts@apl-em.apl.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: larry@midi.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Larry Peterson)
Subject: TRADE:  K5m for K5
Reply-To: lpeterson@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: DAZIX, an Intergraph Company 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:17:30 GMT

The subject says it all.  I have a K5m in perfect operating condition that's been
used only in my home studio.  I love the sounds and the architecture, but I need
to replace my keyboard, so if you're in the opposite situation, let's trade!

-Larry
From: chs@well.sf.ca.us (Craig Hansen-Sturm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ===> 4Sale: Matrix-12
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:16:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link




For Sale:

Oberheim Matrix-12.  Good to Excellant condition (there are a
couple of minor nicks in the wood finish, and a small sratch
on the plastic front panel).  The unit is 100% functional, and
sounds great.  It is, quite literally, two Expanders in a box
sharing a great after-touch sensitive keyboard.  Have the ori-
ginal manuals.  Will throw in a hardshell flight case.

This unit is worth purchasing for the 'totohorn' sound alone.

Price:

$3500 (non-negotiable)

Contact:

Craig Hansen-Sturm

415-856-3333 (x252)
415-325-5423 (home)

chs@well.sf.ca.us
From: knutsen@pilot.njin.net (Mark Knutsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Need MIDI file player for Mac
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:35:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm looking for a program, commercial or shareware, to play Standard
MIDI files created by EZ Vision for the Mac.  I want to be able to
quickly select and play songs from a playlist, for a wedding I'll be
doing.

Any suggestions?

-- 
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knutsen@pilot.njin.net OR knutsen@pilot.rutgers.edu OR {...}!rutgers!knutsen
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:06:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: Kawai K5/K5m question
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Bob Hays writes:
"I was wondering if there are any "hiden" sys-ex messages that will
change the single inside of a multi patch?"

The last versions of the K5 OS allowed this when earlier versions did
not. I think you can still get the ROMs from Kawaii. I'm basing this
statement on the fact that they were available well after the K5 was
discontinued, but that was a few years ago.

Bill Scott
From: mjp@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Mike Prudence)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:08:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: "Ethnic" Samples vs. Proteus 3
Organization: Hewlett Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

>> "Glenn" == glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff GDP) writes:

> I know that the Proteus 3 would do all this, but given that I'm
> going to be getting a sampler at some point, would I find the Proteus
> 3 redundant?

I faced this very same decision last weekend, having just 'popped in'
to my local music store to have a nose around.  The point that made my
mind up for me - and postponed my purchase of a sampler - is
polyphony.

Looking at my current setup (SY77, WS-1, Procussion), and the sort of
music I want to generate with it (film/tv soundtracks) the
noise-making abilities of the Pro-3 were a perfect fit.  In the first
instance, it gives me a few staple sounds to play with - chiffy
flutes, cute little nylon guitar, some percussion - and it also gives
me the ability to generate some weird, weird stuff with a few
thoughtful layered patches.

A good example of this is the babbling brook preset, which appears to
be constructed from the cricket samples tuned way down and pitch
modulated.

But, that's what you need for film and tv work - weird, evolving
sounds to play around with in the background.

I will eventually purchase a sampler, but this will be used to provide
specific replay of 'real-life' noises - the old killer piano sample,
squeaking mice and guitar riffs played on my battered old acoustic guitar.

> That is to say, how available are these types of sounds
> for samplers, either on sampling CDs or sampler-specific media?  If
> there is a sampler or samplers that have readily have this type of
> material available for it, could those owners let me know?

If you buy an Emu sampler, I think most of these sounds are already
available.  If not, then you could take advantage of the deal that
most sample sellers seem to offer over here - that of sampling
anything that comes into their store.  Whip out the Pro-3, take in
your sampler, and spend an afternoon sampling.

> Also, are Proteus 3 owners pretty happy with their world beast?

I am, but then I've only had it a week, so I haven't bumped head first
into it's restrictions yet.  What it *is* is a small box that provides
me useful polyphony with useful sounds, good audio quality and a user
interface similar enough to my Procussion to make me feel at home with
it pretty quickly.

I'll be happy to answer any further questions via email.

Cheers,

Mike

mjp@hplb.hpl.hp.com                   "Only those who attempt the absurd will 
                                                     achieve the impossible."
From: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What about "classical" sounds?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:00:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEnHB.MD3
Reply-To: ercolessi@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC

In article <9209301310.AA22458@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
|> [...]
|>In as much as they are 16 bit, 40KHz+ samples of 'real' instruments,
|>they should (and do, BTW) sound like 'real' instruments.  
|> [... other true considerations on playing techniques ...]

It seems to me that the sound system in between the synth/sampler
and our ears also plays a crucial role in this particular discussion.
I think that it could be convenient to split this issue:
1) how are the sounds, when compared with the real orchestral
    sounds as recorded on tape and played through the same audio
    system.  I think it is unrealistic to expect _better_ than that
    from a synth/sampler (aside for dynamic compression applied
    on CDs etc).
2) how are the sounds emitted by a particular audio system
    compared with reality (the long standing hifi problem).

For the particular problem of the original poster, I think it could
make sense trying to use a very good hifi system aimed at
classical music, being careful not to kill the tweeters with high 
levels and definitely not leaving alone friends in the studio, rather  
than the kind of amps/speakers we usually use.

furio
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Clavinet Example (was: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:55:10 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In rec.music.synth, metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes:

    Not being a keyboardist per se is not something I "admit to," dude. I'm a
    synthesist, and I learned on gear that didn't have keyboards, and it shows
    in my work. That's nothing I "admit to," it merely IS, in the same way
    that Mount Everest IS, or John Cage ISN'T.

Oh, cool, like, now I get it.  It's like, the isness of keyboardness is,
like, just one aspect of the being of synthishness that like, unifies in
harmony with that that is the totality of music, and spews forth in isness, 
right?

Perhaps this is due in part to Nyquist eddies.

    And besides, it's "Franxious."

Brillig, slithy zero.  Pure dead brillig. 

    This is true. Silicon Valley was the second biggest r.m.s stomping
    ground I could have hurled myself into. (The biggest, Boston and
    environs via NYC, will be this Christmas if all goes well. I plan to
    pour eggnog in Eirikur's Chroma, 

That oughta change the feel of the keyboard, eh?

    meet and approve of Dan's new bride,
    meet Laird for the first time, re-introduce Nancy to my wife, and
    throw a huge r.m.s bash in someone's borrowed home without their
    knowing it for New Year's. And throw up on Carl's carpet halfway
    home. Coup.)

Sounds like some fun!  Hope they have a decent stereo.

    Harrumph.

Okay, okay, I'll be good.               I think... :-}

ObSynth to balance this post out a bit:
  The cheap beginner's not-much keyboard could be the Yamahammer PSR-500,
  but you'd be better looking for something used.
  $900 is a lot to pay for a CZ-101.
  If you want to go beyond games, you might not want a SoundBlaster.
  Age has nothing to do with quality.
  Be careful about which PowerBook you buy.
  MIDI does not carry real-time audio, nor does it magically enable different
  instruments to generate the same sound.
  Audible "MIDI delay" is not due to MIDI thru chains.
  Songs in Standard MIDI File format _can_ violate copyright laws.
  Use a heap, not a simple queue.
  Effects may only be considered synthesis distancing tools when used on
  a per-sound basis.
  GMIDI, while it may be a boon to manufacturers and multimediaists, is of
  no particular value (and may be detrimental) to those who create new sounds.
  Sampling theory should be understood before expounding upon it.
  The efficacy of green ink, stabilizer rings, and amp bricks are directly
  proportional to the dominance of Nyquist eddies in one's experience.
  If you want your Clavinet to sound like a banjo, study the Scruggs book.
  Computer Platform rants are generally not appreciated.
  If it's way too loud, you really should wear earplugs.
  Music should be fun, and can be, if you WORK hard enough at it.
  Have a Gneiss Dei.
		     - YupaJim
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:03:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1ahttiINNb8t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:

>BTW, under current US copyright law, a work does NOT have to be registered to
>be protected, so the ONLY 'safe' things to put on the net are works that 
>are in public domain, or your own compositions, or something that the b;.owner
>of the copyright has given you _specific_ permission to post.

OK, how about this.  How can anyone tell if a composition is yours, or
if it has been copied off someone else ? 

If we think about it for a moment, there are very few notes in a musical
scale.  Also, anybody who has studied music, will probably notice that
they tend to study other peoples work.  They will also notice that they
are taught about musical structure etc.  They will probably also note
that they are being taught in the same manner has a whole load of other
people.  It is in my opinion that it is perfectly feasible for two
people to compose the same piece of music.  Also, if you listen to a lot
of music, you will subliminally store lots of music structures in your
head which are bound to come out when you are composing. 

I have noticed this happening with computer programs.  I lot of people
will write the same progams in the same manner and to do the same
functions as other people.  Not surprising really is it ? They all
probably are learning from the same book.  They are probably all
answering the same tutorial question.  They all have been taught the
same method of programming. 

I once wrote a short program myself which I then later discovered that
was written almost line for line in a book that I had never seen before. 
The book was published after I had written the code and I had never
released my code to anyone.  Perhaps I should try to sue the publishers. 

Does anyone else agree with my thinking here ? I would like to know if
it is just me or not. 

>I run a board for SF and Fantasy related music on a system in Cincinnati, Ohio,
>and participate in the 'alt.music.filk' panel, and these are the guidelines we
>use... quite safely, and after discussion with lawyers.

Has anyone been done for holding a MIDI file that when played back sounds like 
something somebody else has done ?

Davei
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:03:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: MIDI Songs.....
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Phil Scopes writes:
"If the MIDI file was made by someone on the net just "playing by ear" and
sharing the file with others, is it really copyright infringement if he just
posts it to the net?  He's not getting paid to do this.  It's like recording
a remake or parody on a 4-track and passing tapes around...no big deal, I
don't think.
"

What if someone typed up a copy of the latest best selling novel and handed
out copies across the street from the book store? He wouldn't be getting
paid to do this. Is this infringement? It certainly is. AND there is
harm done to the author. The "fair use" idea of copying works is quite
clearly to allow copying for *personal* use. You contravene the law
even when you ask someone else to make a personal copy of copywrite
material for you. We have been advised by our attorneys here, for example,
that it is illegal for a secretary to photocopy an article for someone
else. Multiple copies are almost always an infringement. Anyone who hopes
to derive income from their creative works now or in the future should
honor these laws.

Bill Scott
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: 4MBx9-80ns SIMMs for sale
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:06:00 GMT


FYI, going price on 4MB SIMMs is between $95 and $115 (70 ns).

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jeep@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (maurice.smeets)
Subject: ADAT Review in MIX
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:38:36 GMT
Keywords: ADAT


Well if you thought EM was easly impressed with the ADAT check out October
MIX.  I just skimmed the artical, but they beat up the machine(s) and
were impressed.  Yes they had 2 machines and did some sync tests with
tone bursts.  The sonics of the machine were compared to that of the
mid-level DAT machines.  There were some tape problems incountered but it
was not the ADAT, it was the tape, thats the way I read it.  Check out the
artical if you are looking to buy one of these machines.

Maurice Smeets
ihlpb!jeep
From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Pandemonium Contest possibly a HOAX?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

[lotsa stuff about contest rules deleted]
>One more word of caution:  I'm sure that the first few phases will have 
>incredibly easy puzzles in order to lure as much money as possible into their
>wallets.  Only in the later phases and the tiebreaker will the puzzles get
>extremely tough.  So if you don't feel up for the challenge, quit while you're
>behind!

I got into something similar several years ago - don't know who
the company running it was, but the rules sound identical.  All
four of the "first Phase" games were ridiculously easy, guaranteeing
many entries in the "tie-breaker" which then took the form of a 
nearly blank grid (some squares blacked out) and a word list, and
the winner was the one who came up with a "crossword" that had
the most words on it.  They even sent out the winning entry, this
guy was most definately retired with nothing else to do.

I thought it was a rip-off, but a legal one.  When I saw the ad
for this contest, my first thought was "Ummpp - I wonder how many
they'll pull into this one."  The other thing they did was to keep
announcing new contests before they got to the tie-breaker for the
original - all the better to get your money, before you figure out
the trick.
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: midi song "Billy Jean - Michael Jackson"
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:49:59 GMT
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE

Frits van den Heuvel <sb2fhh@rivm.nl> writes:

>begin 644 billjean.zip

Oh wonderful.  ZIP archives.  Okay, now where can we find C source to
unzip these things?

Any FTP sites out there which either have extracted files, or will
extract during the send?

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