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From: Shreyas.Shah@f303.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Shreyas Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: BOSTON UPDATE
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:51:20 -0800

Thanks for the info. If you want to see the final copy of the
neswletter, 
just leave me a snail mail address. 
 
GS> BTW where is station 34? When I went to medic school 
GS> I did my field internship in NYC. I was at Jacobi for
GS> a week and Coney Island for a week. I didn't get to
GS> see much else of the system though.
 
Station 34 is also in Brooklyn (East New York/Brownsville Section). We
run 
11 BLS units and 2 ALS units from this station on our day and evening
tours 
with about 140 EMT's/Medics/Supervisors etc. The neighborhood is nothing
like 
Coney Island. 

Shreyas Shah


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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:48:40 -0500
From:         "Michael P. Rolfes" <usr2879a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Amber / Green lights

What are your state laws regarding amber and green lights?  How many
departments have amber lights on their POV's with red, blue, etc... or

on their ambulances and fire equipment?

Here in Cincinnati almost all of the ambulances have amber flashing lights or
light above the doors or on either side of the center doors in the rear....

Green is used by security agencies in the Cincinnati area....

Thanks for your replies!

Michael P. Rolfes  OVR Unit #43, usr2879a@tso.uc.edu
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From: langford@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: OSHA regs. A question
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:06:31 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1992Nov11.022053.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> 
> Do the [OSHA] regs cover non-employies as well? ie volenteer FF, EMTs etc?
> 
> ~Paul
> 
Well, I don't have a legal ruling from a court, but the official stance of my
volunteer rescue squad, the area EMS council, and the Va. Association of 
Vol. Rescue Squads, is that volunteers are NOT required to obey OHSA
regulations, at least not in Virginia.  However, at my squad, we are adopting 
many of the rules either on our own initiative, or because the Richmond
Ambulance Authority requires it within the city, and that includes us.  

I admit, though, that I don't know much about the offical rules and
recommendations.  All I really know comes from our SOPs, which are purportedly
based on OHSA rules.
       Bob Langford, EMT-C, Forest View Vol. Rescue Squad
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From: thurs_j@aelle.cs.odu.edu (Jason Thurston)
Subject: fire/rescue/EMS gifs
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:05:43 GMT

I posted an article about a week ago looking for FTP sites for
fire/rescue/EMS gifs. Quite a few people e-mailed me back and asked me
to let them know if I found any. Well, wuarchive.wustl.edu has one of
a steam pumper and firefighters. (Yes, I've only found one so far.) It
can be found under /pub/graphics/gif/f/firemen. If any one has found
others, or would like to be on a "mailing list" of ones that are
found, please e-mail me and let me know. This will keep from tying up
the nets with duplicate posts.
						Thanks,
						 Jason
 
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From: Olin.Hysom@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Olin Hysom)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Professional lecturers
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:56:00 GMT

Dear Ron A. Brown:
I am a 6 month old child in EMS licenced only to basic EMT currently I
work for a private ambluance co. a local trown rescue and now a vol. at
the Fed. Gov. as a Vol. Fire Svs. Dispatcher/Firefighter Asst. I am
looking for people that will be lecturing on Fire/EMS topics. So I can
learn in my endeavor to be able to give ( better patient care) but here
in So. Maine there is little or no lectures that ever go on here. I
need
help in locating the following:
lectures
programs of public domain on Fire/ EMS
Games that are either Educational or fun
encyclopdia on computer concerning Fire/ EMS
Associations I can become involved in
IF I seem to get away from what you are giving as a message please
atribuate it to ignorance and not silliness, I am middle aged so to be
but yong in this area.
I am also looking for add/sell/trades programs currently I am using
only
this bbs thru Beacon Village bbs. any assistance would be helpful.
thanks. PS.. Want to trade a patch or two???   10/12/92  2000 hrs.
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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:40:05 -0800

wv> A TV station in Providence is running stories on this type
wv> of activity. People who don't get out of the way of
wv> emergency vehicles....STUPID people!!!

Yeah, I didn't get to catch that story cuz WTNH in Hartford was running
a smear campaign story on BBSs.

wv> Too bad we all (Fire/EMT/Rescue/Police personnel) can't give
wv> these drivers traffic summons...When there's an emergency
wv> who has time to stop and stay with the offender for hour???
wv> Not any of us! L8R Bill

There's been MANY times when I wish I was able, as a citizen, to ticket
idiots...too many morons get away with this activity. :(

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: scanner database door
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:06:06 -0800

 -=> Quoting Walter Bodin to Blake Bowers <=-

 BB>The BEST door program I have found, would be the ScannerBuff!
program,
 BB>it has a program for the individual user, and a program for the
Door,

 WB> What is the latest version of the home and door program.

The latest version of the door that i am aware  of is 3.68, and latest
of the home version, is 3.76
You can contact the ScannerBuff! BBS at 818-355-4871


... Music City USA, Nashville TN!
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From: Steve.Sharp@f207.n714.z3.fidonet.org (Steve Sharp)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: TV Trivia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:53:05 -0800

With all the chat of late about Emergency, Rescue 8 etc, just wondering
if  
an english series titled "Londons Burning" has ever been screened in the
US  
or Canada? 

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From: thurs_j@seth.cs.odu.edu (Jason Thurston)
Subject: Fire/rescue/EMS gifs
Summary: Jason hit the wrong button! 
Keywords: mailing list deleted OOPS!
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:59:40 GMT

Quite a few people sent me their addresses for the fire/rescue/EMS gif
mailing list. In all of my infinite wisdom, I managed to delete the
address file from my UNIX acct. (OOPS!) So, if you are interested in
being on an e-mailing list of the FTP sites found, please e-mail me
(yes again..) and let me know. Also, please specify your EXACT email
address in your letter. I tried to respond to some of the addresses
given in the headers and they bounced. (Weird huh?) Also, if you have
info on where fire&rescue type gifs can be found, please let me know.
One last thing. The gif I found on wuarchive was said to be under
/pub/graphics/gif/f/firemen
well, it is supposed to be:
/graphics/gif/f/firemen
sorry about the error!
Thanks to everyone that responded initially. I am going to send out a
list (or try to) every 2 weeks or so.
						--Jason

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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: RE: Working??
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:18:00 -0800

Paul,
        I have been trying to get on your board for about 2 days now. 
It is really busy and when it does ring it just rings and rings with no
answer.  Do you run your BBS at a specific time??  Thanks..








                        George Vaisey

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From: Ed.McCormick@f150.n2600.z1.fidonet.org (Ed McCormick)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Echolist
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:53:47 -0800

 -=> Quoting Gary Reardon to Ed Mccormick <=-

 BG>> the same thing several months ago, hoping to draw interest to
 BG>>  more SPECIFIC fire/ems related echos and finally added them 
 BG>> to EMERGNET.  Although the volume of traffic is less than 
 BG>> FIRENET, they are in more detail for the target audience.

 GR> As a step in that direction, EmergNet is willing to carry any echo
(no
 GR> matter what net it originates from) related to emergency services.
 GR> More & more networks emerging will only dilute the existing user
base
 GR> and force then to choose which ones to carry so they don't have to
 GR> make multiple LD calls. EmergNet also has the capabilities to gate
any
 GR> echo, with sufficient usage, to the Fido bacbone (as we do now
with
 GR> CRASH, EMS & SAR). 

        It sounds like things are moving along.  I wonder what others
        might like to see in EMERGNET.  I would like to see some sort
        of input from the end user.  The Firefighter/EMS brothers and
        sisters on the street.  How about administrators?  With all
        that's happening it's important to have information to the
lowest
        level as soon as possible.


 
... We support ONE National/International Fire & Emergency Net, Do You?
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From: Jeff.Meunier@f126.n323.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Meunier)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Field internship
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:02:00 -0800

Shreyas,

    I have read many a message either addresed to you or from you, and
was wondering what your affiliation was?

I am currently enrolled in a Paramedic Program at the Memorial Hospital
of Rhode Island, under the direction of John Pliakas who is the program
director. Next year, 1993, we will be doing our field internships with
the NYC EMS.  Are you invloved with this service, if so maybe we can get
together for a coffee and donut, or maybe even a pizza and a beer!!! 
Let me know!


JAM
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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Who's the Moderator?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 15:34:00 -0800

Can anyone tell me who the Moderator of this conference is and what
his/her NetMail address is?

Thanks

KMA

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From: Doug.Bell@f254.n351.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Bell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Dive Rescue
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:28:00 -0800

We are just starting to set up a Underwater Dive Rescue team here in
Nanaimo.  As you who are involved with this type of thing can imagine
the problems that come with it.

What I would like to know is how many Paid Departments out there have a
"Dive Rescue Team".  Weather it works under the Department or as a team
using outside support along with department members.  Possible problems
that have come up involving training, pay etc. Amount of training time
used for the team, on and off hours and what level of certification are
your divers trained to? (openwater, advanced, rescue, etc)

Thanks in advance for the info.

.........Doug

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From: John.Holden@f459.n107.z1.fidonet.org (John Holden)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NJ Firefighters BBS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:36:42 -0800

ALL NJ Firefighters, try NJ Firefighters BBS,
toll free NJ
1-800-445-FIRE   (1-800-445-3473)


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From: Barbara.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: E911 implementation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:03:00 -0800

 WW> Hmmmmmm... Working the "day" shift in Emergency Management, since
the
 WW> city put CD into the fire dept. Assist. Training Officer,
Maintenance
 WW> Officer, and E-911 Implementation Coordinator (80,000 pop.) Other
than
 WW> that, I try to get a little sleep now and then ;-)

   We are in the process of implementating E911 also! It's
   primarilary being handled through the county Sherrif's
   Dept. Our City is about 70,000 night time population, not
   sure about the entire county. I might pick up some part
   time work involving the 911 project.
   They are already talking cutting corners, makes
   me sick! Hope your's is going better <G>!!!

   Later...*B*


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From: Rick.Germain@f31.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Germain)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: T-Shirts.
Date: 15 Nov 92 05:45:00 GMT

DL>     Please let me know the cost and I will get ir back to you as
soon
DL>as possible.

   Dale... Don't worry about the cost, I'll send you a shirt and when
   you get it just send one back to me here.  A size Large should do
   fine.  My mail address is 8 1/2 Lafayette Ave., Middletown NY,USA
   10940.  I should have a shirt out to you within about a week, I've
   just got to catch up to the guy in my company who has them.  All the
   best to you and your fellow firefighters in OZ.
                                         Take Care,
                                            Rick Germain

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From: Andrew.Mcmillin@f2.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Andrew Mcmillin)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: foreign language tran
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:01:00 -0800

Actually, the design was for a portable unit, although a desktop can
also function equally well.  The system allows for the recording and
playback of phrases as spoken by native speakers.  I have found that
when I try to pronounce things in other languages I'm usually not quite
correct in pronouncing.  This thing was also designed to be a
custom-made product.  With a scanner and the right sound board, any set
of questions in any set of languages can be loaded in.  That's a lot of
work, but the ready-made phrasebooks I've seen usually ask the questions
someone else wants to ask, not what I want to ask.  I can mail you a
sample if you would like.
                        a.


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From: Jim.Bernier@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Bernier)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Volunteer vs. paid
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 09:40:00 -0800

BW| Bill Wood
  | SAVAC of Oswego
  | (displaced/misplaced Rochesterian)

 Hello, Bill ---

 As an Oswego Alumni from the '70s, it's nice to see that SAVAC is
still
 alive and well.  I'm not sure how many colleges have their own
 on-campus volunteer ambulance corp, but I remember that SAVAC was
 always hustling -- especially on Friday & Saturday nights.  I was an
RA
 for two years in Lonis-Moreland (when Lonis was all male and Moreland
 was all female).
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:01:42 MST
From:         "TROY-ALLEN A. CARRILLO" <carrillo_t@MERLIN.NMHU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: PHOOGRAPERS ON SCENE

}Of couse they have a right on the scene. They DO NOT however have a
}right to infringe on the patients right to privacy.  Nor do they have a
}right to impede my ability to render proper care.  I would include in
}this:  Inserting themselves between myself and the patient to "get the
}shot" or putting a bright video light in my face thereby reducing my
}ability to even see a patient let alone treat them.  When they do thing
}of this nature is when there getting booted in the ass.


My question for you, seeing that I am a television reporter, How many times do
fire fighters and rescue personnel ASK for the media to stay out of the way?

I have been to scenes where if it weren't for the bright video lights on the
camera, some people would have never been found... some peoples lives may have
never been saved.  We do our best to help out the recue personnel. In return we
ask to be treated with courtesy and respect. I will respect you if You respect
me.   As for patient privacy, I don't know about anybody else's state, our
state here says: If the person is out in the Public, or a Public area, they
can have their picture taken or their faces put on Television.  However,
morally if the TV producers wish to run graphic footage of decapatations or of
peoples charred bodies that is their problem..

As a reporter I just gather the news information and take the video footage.
What my producers show on the air, is up to them..




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From: Don.Burton@f536.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Don Burton)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: ALS paper, take two
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:08:04 -0800

KR> A couple of weeks ago, I made a post requesting sources on cost
KR> data for ALS procedures for a sociology paper.  While I have
KR> quite a bit of usable data, I still need something I can't seem
KR> to find.  Does anyone out there in netland know where I could
KR> find the numbers on the failure rate of the aircraft used for
KR> 'lifeflight' work?  Thanks.
 
KR> Ken
  
  You may want to try the Medical Center in Sacramento, Ca. seeing how
they
provide life flight service in the area.

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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Some Acronyms
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

The acronyms fly thick and fast, and I'm accumulating a good sized list:

ACLS	Advanced Cardiac Life Support
ALS	Advanced Life Support
BLS	Basic Life Support
BTLS	Basic Trauma Life Support
CISD	Critical Incident Stress Debriefing
EMS	Emergency Medical Services
EMT	Emergency Medical Technician
ERT	Emergency Response Team
LAS	Lights And Siren
MAST	Military Anti Shock Trousers
PD	Police Department
POV	Personally Owned Vehicle

Corrections can be mailed or posted.


Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	     Only eleven more shopping days 'till St. Andrew's Day!
From: Elliott.Johnston@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Elliott Johnston)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:00 -0800

ES>generating a flashing signal at rear-view mirror level. All the
ES>pretty lights, or sirens and horns for that matter, don't do much
ES>good ten feet above the average car.
ES>Thus the new apparatus is coming with air horns now mounted in
ES>or just above the front bumper, and sirens the same.


I've also noticed that more and more states are going with a regulation
that horns, siren speakers, and other noise makers must be removed from
the roof of the vehicle (ie- mounted in the grill or bumper area). It's
supposed to cut down on hearing damage to those who ride in emergency
vehicles, not to mention making radio communications less aggrivating.

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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:04:03 -0800

Yury...

12 Nov 92, Yury German writes to All:

 YG> From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)

 YG> In article <721444696.F00013@remote.halcyon.com>
 YG> Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson) writes:

 >> Here in N.E. Ct. it appears to be customary that if a person pulls
over
 >> to the side of the road, and there's another citizen behind them,
the
 >> one behind passes...they don't pull over and let the emergency
vehicle
 >> by.

 YG>     Well thats why some Ambulances and Fire Trucks have big
bumpers.
 YG> There has been many a times where a little push got the message
across to
 YG> the driver in front. :-)

I've NEVER seen an emergency vehicle give a push, but I'm SURE it's been
done! :)

Rick

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From: Paul.Rossiter@f119.n323.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Rossiter)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Code 99
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:30:00 -0800

   here in Rhode Island (or at least Providence) Code 99 is the term for
a full Cardiac Arrest. Bear in mind that there are lots of different
terms meaning the same thing in use all over the country.

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From: Barbara.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: an old friend
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:25:00 -0800

 WW> Barbara Mezzanini in a message to Wes Williams re:an old friend on
6
 WW> a post from you here, stating Regina Franchi was in the Military

 WW> I just got it a couple of days ago (10-13-92).  It is as follows:
 WW> AMSAN Regina M. Franchi

 WW> Let me know how she is if you get a reply to snail mail before I
do.

   Just found this message in tons of mail I'm attempting to
   catch up on, I'll be writing her in the next couple of
   days, and will let you know, her know, etc.. :)
   THANKS!   *B*
... Spock, you lied.  I exagerated.
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