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From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: School Uniform
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:00:32 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

In article <7899@news.duke.edu> mossiar@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dante Mossi) writes:
>
>	Regarding uniforms in high school, I am from Honduras, and students are
>forced to wear high school uniforms so they can be distinguished easily. Most
>public schools students wear the same uniform, private schools get to wear
>whatever they wish. The case for the uniform at public schools, I think, is to
>give some recognition to people that is at school. In my country the opportunity
>cost of even elementary school is too high, so people are forced to work from an
>early age, illegal, but not enforceable. Finally, mass production of uniforms
>introduce some scaling effects in the price of clothes, so uniforms are cheaper
>than regular clothes. Also, wearing an uniform make students worry about courses
>they take, not what they'll wear! 
>
>Dante Mossi

Well, I totally disagree from what you are saying here. I am from Argentina,
and after dictatorship times no more uniforms were used in public schools.
Some private institutions still today make the students use a special uniform.
But, I can tell you, from what I lived, that the uniform is not another away
but to try to standarize everything and everyone. I wouldn't say that because
you have to use uniform you are going to take more care about your courses
than if you were not to use a uniform, come on is that simple then to make
the students learn??? 

I think that what has to be taught at school (among other things) is that
there is no difference on what you wear or what you don't wear, but the
difference is each and everyone of ourselves. In order to teach this, do we
have to use uniforms?? It looks to me like that very famous piece of The Wall,
when everyone is sent to the "meatcrusher" (someone help me here (?)) just
wearing the same mask, so they are ALL EQUAL.

Just another thought....

-Anibal
From: gilberto@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Herrera Ruiz GILBERTO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuban Rigths Advocate Beaten and Detained
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:34:47 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Dept. of Precision Machinery Eng., The University of Tokyo,
	Japan.



In article <2B2E1C9D.29533@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@orion.oac.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:

   >
   >    Are you saying that since what happens in other countries is worse than
   >    what happened to Mr. Sanchez in Cuba is not bad?
   >
   >Mr. Gus no es eso a lo que me referia, parece ser que te falta algo en
   >la cabeza para razonar las cosas, como sea te doy otro dia mas para
   >que medites el texto y saques una segunda opinion para que veas que no
   >soy malito.....Espero no ver un Left Silence como el del fosforecente ok!

    Si, y tu eres tan inteligente!
    No Gilbertico, no eres "malito" solamente pareces "rojito", huyhuyhuy!


Mi querido Gus Ano:

Veo que un dia no fue suficiente, 24 horas solo para encontrar un
adjetivo ("rojito"), me estas quedando mal, esparaba ver algo mejor,
pero no te preocupes mi pasiencia es tan grande y tu inteligencia tan
poca que nos vamos a llevar muy bien... Primera Clase: Los Pieles
Rojas o "rojitos" (supongo a esto te referias con lo del calificativo,
te dio miedo que te cortara la cabellera no??) eran una tribu de los EU,
en latinoamerica los pueblos indigenas eran los Aztecas, Mayas Incas etc.
esto para que aprendas un poco de Geografia Historica mi querido Gus.

Cual es el minimo IQ que piden en Irvine, supongo que es muy bajo y tu
apenitas lo alcanzaste no???, o se me hace que por pertenecer a las
minorities te dieron chance de entrar, de seguro que hay pocos
marielitos estudiando no??? o trabajas limpiando el piso de centro de calculo
como Edy???, por favor platicame todas tus penas que para eso esta la
solidaridad latinoamericana!! trataremos de ayudarte!!!!!


   >By the way, Castro did
   >    not make Sanchez disappeared because he's too well known, countless others
   >    had disappeared in Cuba too as well as some well known like Camilo
   >    Cienfuegos who disappeared in a "plane crash" without any traces of an
   >    accident ......
   >
   >
   >Supongo que esto lo leiste en Pato Donald invade azteclan, No es cierto??
   >Yo tambien lei esa historieta muy buena por cierto!!!!!!!.

    Ah, pero como puedo creer que una persona tan inteligente como tu pueda
    creer que Castro es muy capaz de hacer eso y mucho mas?

    Talvez deberias leer el ultimo libro del espan~ol Santiago Aroca titulado
    "Fidel Castro, el final del camino" recientemente publicado en Espan~a.
    Es muy interesante y tiene muchos detalles de como Castro ha eliminado a
    todos aquellos que no han estado de acuerdo con sus planes e ideas
    maquiavelicas.


Si lo lei muy bueno por cierto!!!, lo recomendaban los libreros como
el libro mas vendido de Ciencia Ficcion!!!!!!!!


Cuidate Gus


Gilberto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Venezuelan elections?
From: csc45101_08@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:11:06 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

Does anyone know the results of the 12/6/92 election in Venezuela?
If so, please post results in this newsgroup and/or E-mail me.
Thank you!
/Ed
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:20 PST
Subject: NEWS:C.Amer Summit Ends/ed-lp
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Subject: NEWS:C.Amer Summit Ends/ed-lp
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edlp 12/11

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is a
Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.

CENTRAL AMERICAN SUMMIT ENDS

The ten Central American presidents holding a summit meeting
in Panama decided during their first work meeting to make a 
telephone call to President Salinas de Gortari of Mexico to 
express their discontent with the fact that Mexican was asking 
for tariffs on such Central American products as meat and sugar. 
Salinas explained that the tariffs did not represent "an attitude
against exportation of meat, but rather, protection against 
importation by third countries." The presidents also put together
an Agricultural Declaration which was presented on the final day 
of the summit.

The meeting, which dealt mainly with agricultural problems, ended
on Dec. 11. There was also discusison of international financial
aid. "It is barbarous," said President Calderon of Costa Rica,
"that they demand that we have peace and an open economy, they
close their doors and don't give the expected assistance."
President Serrano of Guatemala said the Agricultural Statement
must take into consideration a GATT proposal in regard to the
problem of Latin American bananas and the European Economic
Community (EEC). Latin American countries are asking that the EEC
not impose import quotas on bananas, one of the region's key
exports. Serrano said that "we Latin American presidents are not
in agreement with quotas, and are asking that the GATT agreement
be respected." He added that there was a possibility of monetary
integration in the region, in which Panama would play a key part
as a financal center. Such an integration would permit "freedomo
of capital" in the region, said Serrano. (edlp 12/11 from AP)


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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Clases sociales en Latino America.
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:11:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Antonio,

Yo no creo que se puede reducir el racismo en America Latina a un problema
social,  creo que el problema social, mas bien economico es el que ha
creado y fortalecido el racismo de tal manera que es muy dificil
erradicarlo.  La diferencia con el racismo norteamericano radica en los 
niveles de "meztisaje" latinoamericanos, los cuales son mucho mas altos
que los norteamericanos, lo cual ha evitado que el racismo aparezca de una
manera tan "abierta" y marcada como se ha manifestado en la historia
de los EEUU.  Si me permites una metafora reduccionista, en los EEUU el 
racismo ocurre como helado de vainilla y chocolate en platos separados,
mientras que en America Latina occure en un pastel con distintos pisos
de muchos colores.  Ahora bien, el negro/indio en la A.L. es el que es
mas negro que tu y en todos los paises encuentras una elite economica que,
no por pura coincidencia, es "blanca".

Edelmiro
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Venez:Coup Leaders Challenge Mil.Tr
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:56:00 GMT
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Subject: Venez:Coup Leaders Challenge Mil.Trials
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From el diario/La Prensa 12/14/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Venezuela Coup Leaders Call Military Trial Unconstitutional

According to the Venezuelan daily El Nacional, leaders of 
the failed Nov. 27 coup Rear Admirals Luis Enrique Cabrera and 
Germn Gruber, as well as other military people and civilians who 
were arrested as a result of the failed coup have refused to
be tried by a military court because they consider it 
unconstitutional. Another leader, Brigadier General Francisco 
Visconti, is in Peru, where he fled to seek asylum. Others, 
including former minster Fomento Manuel Quijada, have agreed to the
military court trial. At least 180 members of the military and 70
civilians will be tried and could receive sentences of up to 30 
years in prison. The coup leaders said their actions were 
motivated by a desire to help the poor. Perez's economic reforms 
have been blamed for the deterioration of the standard of living 
in Venezuela, which had known a prosperous time due to its 
petroleum sales. The governing Democratic Action party suffered 
the most serious defeat of its history when voters supported 
opposition candidates in regional elections held on Dec. 6. (edlp
12/14/92 from AP)


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From: rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Latin Baby Names - Okay, Okay, LATINO NAMES
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:02:07 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rodin@acs.bu.edu


To the kind woman having the baby. Please don't bother with those long lists.

If its a girl Victoria. 

If its a boy Luis Antonio

You wont go wrong, I promise you.


sincerely,

Luis Antonio del Valle
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Venez:Coup Leader to Return from Pe
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:58:00 GMT
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Subject: Venez:Coup Leader to Return from Peru
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


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From el diario/La Prensa 12/15/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Venezuelan Coup Leader Will Return from Peru

General Efrain Visconti Osorio "will return to Venezuela, we're
sure," said a communique sent to the Venezuelan newspaper "El
Nacional." Visconti, one of the leaders of the Nov. 27 attempted
coup against Carlos Andres Perez, is currently being given asylum
in Peru. The communique said he would return to "fulfill his
ideals." (edlp 12/15/92 from AP)
 

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Subject: Brazil: newsbriefs 12/14 ed-lp
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:56:00 GMT
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Subject: Brazil: newsbriefs 12/14 ed-lp
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From el diario/La Prensa 12/14/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.

Brazilian Military Demands Wage Increase

The presidents of the Brazilian armed forces officers clubs 
demanded a 301% increase in salaries to begin in January, 1993 
(with an anticipated 200% increase in December). A six-page 
document was sent to the government by leaders of the navy, army 
and air force. As of November, 1992 a retired army general would 
receive 16 million cruzeiros (about $1,500) per month. Colonel Eri
Gonzalves, of the army reserve, said there are soldiers living in
poverty in Rio de Janeiro. (edlp 12/14/92 from AFP)


Brazilian Women Opt for Illegal Tubal Ligation

Although it is illegal, Brazilian women between the ages of 
15 and 50 are choosing tubal ligation as the main method of birth
control. Some 7.5 million women ignore the fact that the 
operation is irreversible and that this method of birth control 
is considered a crime, according to a UN report. According to 
Pedro Paulo Vilaneuva, of the UN Population Fund in Brazil, many 
women who receive the operation -- 75% of whom have already given 
birth at least once -- feel remorseful afterward. From 1970 to 1974
9.5% of women had tubal ligations. The figure increased to 15.8% 
of women by 1986. Currently it is 45%. The poorer the state, the 
higher the number of women who have had the operation. In the 
state of Maranhao in the northeastern part of Brazil, 78.9% of 
the women have had tubal ligations. (edlp 12/14/92 from AFP)


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From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Mafalda
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:41:32 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

In article <1992Dec18.005512.24026@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jet5r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jose Eduardo Tabora) writes:
>Lo que yo tengo entendido es que Mafalda muere en una de las tirillas que 
>salian en el periodico, pero que no fue publicada como parte de la colleccion
>de librillos.
>
>Eduardo

Justamente, todo este 'thread' de Mafalda me hizo a#orar tanto
las tiras, que fui a buscar entre las cosas que nunca saque de
la valija desde que llegue a Montreal, y encontre Mafalda Inedita,
que creo fue la ultima publicacion de un librito de Mafalda.
En este, se publican muchas tiras jamas antes publicadas en los 10
libritos con explicacion historica de cada tira y un poco del 'background'
de Quino. No me acuerdo el a#o (ya que ahora no estoy en casa y no tengo el
libro a mano) pero segun lo que Quino dice Mafalda no muere ni mucho menos,
sino que solamente se despide por un tiempo ya que tanto ella como toda la
barra (y too Quino :-) esta muy cansada.
En cuanto vuelva a casa les paso lo que las tiras dicen exactamente.

Hasta pronto!

-Anibal
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: School Uniform
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:13:54 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Anibal,

I tend to agree with your comments on the reactionary nature of school
uniforms.  In Geneva....pardo me, in San Juan only the obscurantist Catholic
Schools required uniforms (as well as the obscurantist protestant schools).
The public shcools had more flexible dress codes.  Fortunately, I was
educated in a school which didn't believe in such silly quasimilitaristic
pedagogy and a la U.S. never cared about the way children dressed

Edelmiro
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Peruvian Officers Held in Common Ja
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:23:00 GMT
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Subject: Peruvian Officers Held in Common Jail
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


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From el diario/La Prensa 12/18/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa"
is a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Alleged Peruvian Coup Plotters Held in "Common" Prison

The Peruvian General Officers and Admirals Association joined the
protest on Dec. 17 against the detention in a common prison of 14
officers allegedly implicated in the failed coup attempt against
President Alberto Fujimori. This measure insults the Armed Forces
and the people affected, said a document distributed by the
officers' union.

The Association sent the note expressing the feelings of the
majority of its members and their desire that the officers be held
in a military prison. The Archbishop of Lima and the Peruvan
Church Primate Monsignor Augusto Varga, the daily newspaper "El
Comercio," and the wives of the officers protested their detention
in the common prison, where they are being held alongside of
common criminals, drug dealers and terrorists [sic].

In a strongly worded note, the officers' wives described the
members of the Army Command as puppets, accusing them of not being
of an appropriate level of the Insitution which they are trying to
manipulate. They said the members of the Army Command closed their
eyes at the tortures carried out on Lt. Enrique Aguilar and Marco
Zarate, Major Cesar Cacers and retired Major Salvador Carmons
during interrogations. The Army command said this week the tales
of torture or bad physical treatment of the arrested officers was
tendentious and rationalized their detention in the Miguel Castro
common prison, saying it was in accordance with Military Justice.
(edlp 12/18/92 from AFP)
 

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From: jbarth@ep.ieee.org (Jeremy Barth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re:Cuban Rights Advocate Beaten and Detaine
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: jbarth@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Another follow-up to Edelmiro's posting on Cuba:

Here we go again:  everything has to be black and white,
like a fairybook story.  Everything about Cuba is bad
and nothing good can possibly be said about the government.

Of course it is wrong to beat up political dissidents.  No decent
person would disagree with that sentiment.  Human rights groups
have regularly documented and condemned human rights violoations
in Cuba.  As Gilberto points out, however, you'd likely be 
"desaparecido y muerto" in many other countries.

But there are human rights violations taking place in the US
everyday that have been substantially eliminated in Cuba, 
such as homelessness and lack of access to medical care.
As the aid caravan criticized by Edelmiro involved medical
and material aid, let's explore 

1.  Pregnant women are guaranteed pre-natal care and close
    to 100% get it.  Almost all women deliver in modern
    hospitals, a feat it would be difficult to equal
    in the US, let alone the rest of Latin America.
2.  Cuba has one of the highest per capita number of physicians
    in the world, industrialized or otherwise.  It has been
    argued that there are *too many* doctors, that even trivial
    problems are being medicalized.  
3.  Cuba's life expectancy statistics are *higher* than the US.
    Of course, if the embargo is tightened, this will be
    revised downward and the US may "win" again.

Health is also a human right, and it's still not guaranteed
in the US, in case anyone missed hearing about that little
secret during the recent presidential election.

The aid caravan that brought supplies to Cuba was principally
bringing material aid such as milk and medicine.  If anything 
of a remotely "military" nature had been in the caravan, 
you can bet your bottom dollar it would would still be sitting
at the Mexican border and the US government would have
trumpeted the finding to the world.

Of course, some people will see children's milk and medicine
as just a sinister tool to prop up the repressive Cuban regime.
Maybe the bibles that the ministers in the delegation were
bringing down will be additional misery to the Cuban people.

Who knows?


Jeremy
From: jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: In search of correspondent
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:02:01 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca


		Dear netter,
			if you want to have some correspondents, please come 
			and join soc.penpals news group.
													((((((bye for now!!!)))))))))
From: robin@ruc.dk (Robin Cheesman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Uruguay: Referedum
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:15:12 GMT
Organization: Datalogi, Roskilde Universitetscenter

Que paso en el referendum el 13 de Diciembre?
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Salvador:War Officially Over
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:57:00 GMT
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Subject: Salvador:War Officially Over
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


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From el diario/La Prensa 12/15/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


War Officially Over in El Salvador

In El Salvador both the government of President Alfredo Cristiani,
and the followers of the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front
(FMLN) celebrated what was seen as the official end of the civil
war on Dec. 15. The joint official "Act of Reconciliation" took
place at the International Fair in El Salvador, followed by
separate celebrations by the two opposing forces. Various Central
American presidents, UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali
and Dan Quayle, outgoing US Vice President, attended the
ceremony, along with Spanish Vice President Narcis Sierra, and
Dominican Vice President Carlos Morales.

Expected to attend the FMLN celebration were former Nicaraguan
President Daniel Ortega, the head of Colombia's M-19, Navarro
Wolf, and Rigoberta Menchu, Guatemalan activist and recent winner
of the Nobel Peace Prize. (edlp 12/15/92 from AP)


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From: dis@halcon.dpi.udec.cl ()
Subject: Consulta Alcoholica de Chile
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:32:31 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

	Soy un Chileno que ha visto como algunos discuten de tragos 
	en este grupo. Nosotros aca en Chile tomamos harto Pisco y otros
	tipos de fuertes. Mi consulta es si el Pisco es conocido en el 
	extranjero y si es asi como lo toman o que tipos de tragos preparan
	con el. A lo mejor el pisco se da por todas partes y yo estoy haciendo
	la del loco con la pregunta. Por eso saquenme de la duda.

				Ennio
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Posada en Canada
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:02:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Hector Salgado Garcia writes:

[...]

     Justo cuando estaba apunto de convencernos que Puerto rico era la Suiza
     latinoamericana.

Hector,

Acaso no sabias que en Suiza se beben galones de cerveza en navidad?

Edelmiro

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