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From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
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Subject: Where is the Pool??
Date: 27 Jul 1992 17:09:42 GMT
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Is the pool going to be posted on the net??  When??  Are we doing preseason??

Go Niners

Brian 



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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 22 JUL 92 13:20:09    

In article <1992Jul20.204334.17712@b30.ingr.com>, garth@b30.ingr.com (Garth Smith) writes...

>Can anybody give me the status of Detmer? Did he survive rookie camp
>without getting the "ax" from the Packers?

I kinda doubt that any team has cut any rookies yet.  I don't remember 
hearing the coaching staff saying anything about Detmer yet.  I'd say 
that's a bad sign.

JGH
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Steve Emtman
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:51:29 GMT


  Could someone please post some sort of a report on how Steve Emtman is 
coming along as an Indianapolis Colt?

  Your help and comments are appreciated.

  Cheers,

  Behzad
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vincent vs Buckley (Re: Packer depth chart starters)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:06:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Jul29.154452.6311@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>BTW, at draft time I was *really* disappointed that the Packers didn't 
>take Vincent.  He's a class act.  I guess if it were my choice I still 
>would have had them draft Vincent.  But the Packers have judged 
>Buckley worth the risk.  They have good reasons for making the choice 
>they did and at this point I wouldn't say it was a bad one.  Ask me 
>again in 2-3 years.

Green Bay messed up a few years ago when they could have drafted Ronnie
Lott, but they passed him up.  I think they see Buckley as a Ronnie Lott
type of player, and they don't want to make the same mistake twice.
Vincent, albeit a multi-talented player, does not seem to be the vocal
team-leader type of player that they think Buckley is.  But as you astutely
point out, this question can really be answered well in 2-3 years.
Hindsight is always 20/20.  :^)
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Dolphins update
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:45:11 GMT

Although he won't play Saturday (fins vs skins; I'll be there) Troy
Vincent probably will be a fin according to this mornings Orlando
Sentinel. He appears ready to accept what Miami is calling its best
offer; $5.2M over four years, with a singing bonus of $2.3M. His agent
James Bodley, is urging him to sign partially because the fins say
they will lower the offer if he hasn't signed by Monday. 

Marco Coleman also has a Monday deadline to take $4M over four years
with a signing bonus of $1.55M. His agent Brian Ransom says, "No way."

The predicted signing of Vincent obviously has to be taken with a
grain of salt as this is the third prediction I've heard. 

If I was Marco I would get a new agent. I don't think Shula is ready
to fuck around anymore. He wants to win and apparently doesn't think
much of holdouts anymore. Witness the trading of Thrill Hill to the
cards. I get the impression that some of these agents are merely
holding out because it's not their career being toyed with and any
little extra money their boy gets translates into extra money for
them. I hope the fins really do lower their offer starting Monday and
refuse to increase it. It would serve the bastard right. 

In unrelated news, when Shula heard about a gang of players taping
Oglesby to a tree, he said: "It's better than hitting him over the
head with a sledge hammer." Apparently Oglesby is a marketing genius.
Nobody had heard of him before the incident, and now his popularity is
growing.

Thanks to Jerry Greene of the Orlando Sentinel.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm)
Subject: University of Western Ontario star denied US visa
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:02:01 GMT

Apparently, Ty Detmer (?) of UWO, drafted in the first round down
south of the border, has been denied access to the US as part of the
25000 foreigner (xenophobic) quota enacted last year.  This will also
probably be a huge problem for hockey players, as only 16% are Americans.

I wonder what he'll do now?  I don't think any CFL team drafted him; it was
not expected that he'd be signable.  Maybe show up on some team's doorstep?
Does anyone know if he can appeal?

Stephen.
From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana is toast!!!
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:33:48 GMT
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Summary: 
Keywords: 

In article 13698@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>Face it people, Joe Montana is toast, his days as a top NFL QB are
>over, done, finished. He had a great life in the NFL, I give him credit 
>for that, he was one of the best. I went through this with Roger Staubach
>years ago, it was time to go but many of the Dallas fans wanted him to 
>stay on, I was one of them. The same thing is going on in SF, it's time 
>for a change but the managment can't look like they are pushing him out
>the door. All they can do is wait for him to make the choice to back out.
>If he does not he will only cost the 9ers and Steve Young a entire season. 
>
>Good luck 9ers you'll need it.....
>
>tim
>


Sounds like what I heard after his back problems....will you never learn???


Go Niners

Brian@baja

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: A little Bronco News
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:03:21 GMT

First round pick QB Tommy Maddox was signed to a 4 year, 4.4 Million dollar
contract yesterday.  He will begin practicing today.  He will turn 21 in
September.  (sickening eh?)

Doug Widell was also signed.

Still unsigned are (among others), pro-bowler Gaston Green, should-have-been-
a-pro-bowler Simon Fletcher, and Ron Holmes.


PS - Look for a new rules/signup posting for the pool later today.
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Cowboys' Rookies
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:34:49 GMT

Oh yeah, and I never answered your questin about the LB.  In Dallas's
scheme last year, not many passes were thrown to the RB against them,
and the LB were not allowed to blitz much.  Therefore, no int's and no
sacks.  This year, the LB will rush a little more, but they will also
(hopefully) get more sacks by increase pass pressure from Tolbert on
the outside (his #'s have gone up every year..) and Jones on the
inside.  Even Casillas is looking at getting some sacks (he is a run
stuffer) and Maryland gets a lot of tenacious sacks.  I don't look for
many sacks from this year's group of LB, but if they do it will be
Norton or Edwards or Myles.  As far as LB int's, wait until the PR
gets better and the Recievers are covered, then the QB's will throw to
their backs and Dallas will have a shot at LB int's...

hope that clarifies things... IMHO

*ice*
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Most fascinating stadium?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.110736.17972@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner) writes:
>
>Which is the most fascinating, most impressive stadium for watching a NFL-game?
>
>Don't rank by home team, but criterias like noise made by cheering fans,
>support when team plays not very well, show, entertainment before the game
>starts and during breaks, music, architecture, tradition, ...
>
>
Well, the Redskins are my home team, but I'd still have to rank it as
the most impressive atmosphere around.  I've been to the Silverdome,
whatever the stadium is called in Foxboro, MA, and Dallas' stadium, as
well as the Meadowlands.  RFK ain't much in the way of architecture,
but the crowd noise is unbelievable.  During the playoff games last
year, the upper decks actually rocked.  The entertainment is the
Redskins marching band.  They're a grand tradition.  Brought in by
Marshall, the original owner of the team, during the late `30s or
early 40s.  (His wife wrote the `Skins fight song many years ago.)  
They used to be totally volunteer.  I don't know about now, though.  
And Princess Pale Moon (quite controversial among Native Americans)
sings the National Anthem.  And we do have girls....ladies on the 
sidelines, but they don't have nearly the reputation that the Cowgirls 
do.  There is such a long waiting list to get tickets that people who 
sit together in the same section become lifelong friends.  My dad's 
birthday was celebrated by his entire section.  They brought food, 
drink, presents, birthday banners (one even made it on national 
television one year--I saw it from Detroit), etc.  Quite a time......

schalene

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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Cowboys' Rookies
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 09:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.231616.19521@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.194342.163584@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
>
>
>> Is Jimmy Smith good enough to unseat Wright or even Harper?
>
>He is good enough by default to beat out last year's Ace Wright.  He
>is by no means good enough (yet) to beat out Harper.  I don't think he
>will be ready to take Kmart's job until week 6 or 7.  Besides, he has
>been injured most of the week's practice with a broken tibia.  Out 3-4
>weeks.
>


   The one thing I don't understand is why the Cowboys don't try and
convert Alexander Wright to be a cornerback.  He's quick, and footballs
take non-newtonian paths into the turf when they come near him.


p.s.  :-)

p.p.s.  Is there a receiver in the NFL with a better knickname than
      Pittsburgh's Dwight "Hands of" Stone?


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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Broncos
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.180203.26385@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.170545.20434@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>>Mini-report:
>>
>>Signed Simon Fletcher for 4 years.
>>Signed Gaston Green for a series on 1 year contracts.
>>
>>RB Steve Sewell is out for the year.  He broke his ankle in 5 places.  This
>>is a real bummer as he was an amazing 3rd down player for the Broncos.  He
>>could play several positions and do lots of different things.  There were
>>lots of plays designed around him.
>>
>How do you break an ankle in 5 places??!! OUCH!! Do they really expect him
>back next year?
>  
Ouch indeed!  I don't know about next year.  All I heard was that he was out
for the season.  They didn't think it was going to be that bad until they
did surgery and found the icky mess.  :-{

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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Raiders News
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:37:34 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

I live in the S.F. bay area and I am desperate for some news about the Raiders.
The Chronicle had one article this month!
From: flanery@cs.utk.edu (Ray Flanery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - July 20th
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:46:10 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

In article <1992Jul23.153123.7850@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.143209.8518@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
...
>
>I feel the Browns will be 8-8 this year, maybe better. They definitly have
>a favorable schedule this year and could have a good shot at a wild card 
>spot, although Sports Illustrated is picking the Browns to win the division!
>Not sure I agree with Sports Illustrated, Houston still is the team to beat
>in the Central. The Bengals and Steelers are going through entire new coaching
>staffs and this is going to cause them to be slow out of the gates. The
>Bengals are already bitching and moaning and many didn't even show up for
>a non-required mini-camp that Shula put on, not a good sign in my opinion. 
>I am afraid this team is going to have to clear house of some of there cry 
>babies before they become a better team.
>
>With all the injuries last year to the defense and the fact that the
>Browns were in 90% of there games and had a good chance to win them late
>in the games I don't doubt that the Browns defense will keep them in every
>game this year. Belicheck has proven he is a master at defensive planning.
...

Jeff, I have to disagree with you a little. I think the Browns have an
excellent shot at the division. As you said above, last years defense
was good enough to keep them in all but one game, and it was totally
patch work. In spite of the lack of starters on defense, Houston only
sqeeked by in both games, one of the games saw a starting corner back who
had only been with us 3 days. I do not think we will lose to Houston this
year. As for the Bengals and Steelers, well, anyone who gives them a 
chance at beating us (other than based on luck) is probably not all
together in the brain department.

Always good to see your posts.


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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '49ers News
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <4180@equinox.unr.edu> alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.172952.15549@parc.xerox.com> fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin) writes:
>
>>>       The 49ers also signed their 9th round pick, Darian Hagan, the former
>>> QB of Colorado.  Are they going to use him as a WR/KR?
>>    Yes, that's the plan. They want to give John Taylor a rest
>
>I know Hagan doesn't possess classic NFL QB traits, but do you think the
>Niners would also view him as back-up insurance at that position? 
>
>

All reports are the WR/KR future for Hagan. Don't think anyone thinks much
of his QB'ing ablity after all I believe he was a wishbone type QB. Still,
he is an athelete that could do well.

Tom
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys vs. Lions
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:38:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul25.174010.22887@cs.wayne.edu>, delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De
Vaughn Elledge) writes:
>In article <25JUL199211544885@venus.tamu.edu> tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RAC
ER) writes:
>>In article <55062@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason
) writes...
>>>
>>>Can anyone explain why Dallas never adjusted their defense against the
>>>Lions after halftime in the playoff game?
>>>
>>
>>I'm not exactly sure, but I suspect that they may have had Barry
>>Sanders-phobia.  Either that, or Jimmy Johnson was just outcoached in
>>that game as Joe Gibbs was in the second game against the Cowboys.
>>
>>John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
>>Pat Sommerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."
>>______________________________________________________________________________
__
>
> I agree!!! In both games the Cowboys had Sanderitous :) and were out
> coached by Fontes!! The best touchdown off the '91 season was scored by
> Barry in that game. You know, the one where three people hit him and
> they fell, but he just bounced back and kept running while everyone
> else was wondering what the hell was going on!!!
>
>Cure for Sanderitous: Take to fakes and watch ESPN in the morning!! :)

    You got another vote for the Sanders-Phobia Theory. I think the Cowboys
    wanted to see Kramer beat them rather than Sanders and to their dismay he
    did it. Do not get me wrong, I am not sold on Kramer. I think the problem
    was the Cowboys anemic pass rush (23 sacks all season) and suspect
    secondary. As a Cowboys fan, I hope the Cowboys will have some kind of
    pass rush by the time they play the Lions. Otherwise, it can be ugly again.

AAA....
From: collins@gdwest.gd.com (CWC 439085557 Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Texans of Dallas
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:14:41 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics / Computer Sciences Corp.

To quickly settle a bet...

	Precisely, what became of the infamous Dallas Texans?


Gary John (Collins)
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Cowboys' Rookies
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.194342.163584@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:

Well, I am sorry to disappoint you, but there are two points to make.
First of all, camp has only been on for a week and it is still too
early to tell anything.  That is just truth.  Second of all, most of
the players you mention are or have been injured, so it is even less
likely that we will have any clue how good they are.  The pre and post
draft hype will have to last you...

>To all Cowboys fans out there, I am a die-hard cowboy fan and I am anxious to
>know how this year rookies are doing in camp.
> Is Kevin Smith the best cornerback in the draft as he claims?

He has been injured and resumed minimal play on Wednesday.  Pulled
Hamstring that is still tender.

> Can Darren Woodson play strong safety?

He has been invisible to the fans and the media at the camp.  He is
fast and tough, but not an impact player..... yet.

> Is Clayton Holmes worth the 3rd round pick spent on him?

He has been beat on two of the most spectacular plays of camp, but has
also made some good hits and some good plays (i.e. knocking the ball
out of Kmart's hands at the goalline after chasing him from across the
field).

> Is Jimmy Smith good enough to unseat Wright or even Harper?

He is good enough by default to beat out last year's Ace Wright.  He
is by no means good enough (yet) to beat out Harper.  I don't think he
will be ready to take Kmart's job until week 6 or 7.  Besides, he has
been injured most of the week's practice with a broken tibia.  Out 3-4
weeks.

> Will Robert Jones be the impact player he is projected to be?

He is getting all of the reps in practice, and the spot is his to
lose. He already has a 58 yard INT return for a TD, and has made
several spectacular plays.  He has made rookie mistakes as well and
seems to be a little weak in the tackling are (for now...)

> Also what about the many late rounders? any sleepers?

No big surprises yet.  Gerald Alphin is playing well at WR.  Curvin
Richards is playing poorly at RB (compared to the others).  Briggs is
on the PUP until the middle of the season, Myslinski is injured, Tim
Daniel is also on the PUP.

>
> I have many other questions. I will appreciate any info.

Ask away...

> Thanks.... Malik.....

You are welcome

iceline
From: mmergner@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Malinda Mergner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:17:38 GMT
Subject: 49ers Tickets
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Is anyone out there interested in buying two 49er tickets for
the August 3 game against the Broncos (preseason)?

If so, please contact Laura Bellagio at laura@hpscit.sc.hp.com
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From: cgl5564@tamuts.tamu.edu (Chris G. Larsen)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Holdouts
Organization: Texas A&M University 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:00:18 GMT

In article <22799@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>From the Washington Post, July 27, 1992:
>DESMOND HOWARD seeks a four-year deal worth $2 million a season, similar
>to what the No. 2 overall pick in draft, LB Quentin Coryatt, got from
>Indianapolis.  The No. 3 pick, DE Sean Gilbert, got a five-year deal
>worth about $1.5 million a season from the Los Angeles Rams.  Redskins:
>have slotted Howard, the fourth overall pick, just below that, offering
>him a four-year contract worth about $1.35 million a year.

Haaaaaa ha ha ha ha *snort* ha ha ha

Er, excuse me. :)

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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: '49ers News
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:57:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.193300.23194@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>(Do the Niners really tend to call trick plays less often than other
>teams?)

Yes! And it's always frustrated me no end. I mean, they don't have to
throw a flea-flicker on every series, but once or twice a game you need
to try some razzle-dazzle just to keep people on their toes. With Steve
Young at QB last year it was an ideal opportunity to try some trickery.
I remember watching a game last year and the 49ers ran a misdirection
play, and I remember thinking "wow, that was pretty tricky!". Then I
thought for a second and realized "no it wasn't, it's just tricky according
to the 49ers standards".

I doubt that this year will be any different, but with a new offensive
coordinator, who knows?

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