HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:53:36 GMT
Organization: The E-mail Synopsys Users Group (ESNUG)

Linda.Cunningham@p811.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cunningham) writes:

>They "lost" me when I decided that I had better things to do with my life than 
>stand around pontificating about my LSAT score, which was the common theme of 
>conversation when more than two were in the same room. Also, I wasn't terribly 
>impressed with the way they treated women; I've seen slobbering teenaged boys 
>have more class....

Linda, this comment of your strikes me as somewhat odd.  I've been in Mensa
for over eight years now and the only people I've known to talk about their
IQ's or test scores on any standardized test has been new members at their
first event.  Very quickly, these new members learn that Mensa's primarily
a social organization and nobody gives a damn about your LSAT scores or
whatever because we all already qualify.

In my own local group, our ExecCom is over-represented with women.  (i.e.
there are more woman as officers on the executive committee on a percentage
basis than there are in the local chapter as a whole.)  Women have a big
voice as to what goes on in our group.

Ironically, the only slobbering I've seen has been of Mensa women over
particulary atractive new Mensa male members...  (usually the men don't
slobber because they know it doesn't work!)


Exactly where, Linda, were you a member of Mensa?

                                              - Curious John
From: jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa Japan
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:05:41 GMT
Organization: The E-mail Synopsys Users Group (ESNUG)

In article <1993Jan26.114331.8136@hippo.ru.ac.za> hloedolf@cs.sun.ac.za writes:
>Hans Loedolff (hloedolf@cs.sun.ac.za) wrote:
>> Forgive me if this has already been discussed at length in this
>> newsgroup, but what happened to Mensa Japan?
>
>> -Hans
>
>It must have been something pretty terible if nobody
>wants to reply...

Yes, it was horrendous.  They were guilty of APATHY!  (Yikes!)

                                               - John who replied earlier
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Blasphemy?
Organization: The Great Fuckin' Beast 666
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:38:24 GMT

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes (re Scott Tai):
>You have to admit, however, that it is fairly rare that an individual is
>able to make himself a virtual pariah to an entire newsgroup, as well as
>to individuals on both sides of virtually every issue.  And I personally
>find it absolutely hilarious that someone would engage non-stop in rude
>behavior, then whine about being ignored, then stoop to begging, and then
>rationalize being a "victim".  And all in different names.  I swear, it's
>like watching Anthony Hopkins in "Magic", only it's not a movie.  I
>believe an explosion is about to happen, so don't say I didn't warn you.
>I'd hate to be the person's roommate about now.
>
>Whenever I think there's nothing left in human behavior to surprise me,
>something like this pops up.  There must be a God -- with a real
>sense of humor.
>
>GM("Always a Reason to Smile")S

I posted the An-Tai conspiracy game a long time ago - but you-all
keep on keeping on, and Scott must be brilliant because he generates
from you, so much material regarding HIM.

He's a master, to know about the randomness of this system, and to use
it to his advantage - Jeez - I TOLD YOU how to deal with it, eight ways
already. Did you listen? NO. So when you take my advice THIS TIME, I GOT
to DOUBLE my price.

It ain't n'even nowheres near T'anksgivin'.
Sheeucks.
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:15 GMT

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The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                "If you can't stand solitude,
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  perhaps others find you boring
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        as well."  -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: nick@nord.tostit.ca (Nicholas Xavier Tai)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado (was Membership Renewal ??)
Keywords: not scott
Reply-To: nick@nord.tostit.ca (Nicholas Xavier Tai)
Organization: Tostit Northern Associates, Calgary, AB
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:21:25 GMT


With all the talk of boycotting Colorado,
and the banning of homosexual activity there in
Amendment 2, I thought up an intriuging sidebar to
this conversation.

If homosexuals are supposedly banned in Colorado, and
President Clinton lifts the ban on homosexuals in the 
military, will there be a subsequent ban on the military
in Colorado.  I know the logic doesn't follow, but how
is Colorado going to work their way around the of an
Executive Order?   Is there precedence for such as case
happening?  Or is it going to become a Supreme Court issue
ala The Abortion Issue, leaving up to each states legislation.

Any thoughts on this?
From: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: t: t: t: Blasphemy?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:40:44 GMT
Reply-To: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai)
Organization: Tostit Northern Associates, Calgary, AB


gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> Mike, and anyone else who may be thinking this is just an amusing
> exercise, I have to remind you of the very real possibility that
> this person is dealing with a real crisis.  I suggest you let them
> deal with it on their own, and leave the situation be.

Want to guess again?  You *still* haven't answered my questions.

Or can you?

--
Scott Andrew Tai
Tostit Northern Associates
Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory
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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:21:43 GMT

In article 1jpv3fINN8no@network.ucsd.edu, jwp@chem.ucsd.edu (John Pierce) writes:
>shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
> > 
> > I think that Interloc be discontinued as a separate newsletter and added, in
> > its entirety, as a section to the bulletin....
> > And so what if it does get weighted towards politics. By having a separate
> > section, it can be isolated and those who are not interested can skip the
> > section.
>
>Let me see if I understand this correctly.  We should take a newsletter that
>currently goes only to people interested in it, and add it to the Bulletin so
>that it goes to everybody who isn't interested in it, so that they don't have
>to read it if they don't want to?  Did I get that right?  Interesting idea.

The current situation is to keep interesting and relevant information from the
general membership and only distribute it to a select few.  Other organizations
manage to inform all of their members about organziational activities without
falling into the either/or situation that AMC presents.

Currently, the Bulletin is a newsletter which goes to people who aren't interested
in it, don't read it, and would not subscribe if given the oppty.

Please don't tell me that anyone can request Interloc.  I know.  


---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: t: t: Blasphemy?
Organization: Thee Great Beast 666
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:01:09 GMT

scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai) writes:
>
>moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
>>
>> >Path: world!uunet!gatech!concert!rock!taco!samsara!gital.org!
>> static!xavier!mainz!nord.tostit.ca!radler
>>                                    ^^^^^^
>> >From: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott A Tai)
>> 
>> You're slipping, "Scott"...
>
>Heh.  I *usually* pay no attention to those posting from
>lowly "public access" accounts -- the sole criterion for 
>membership into my little "group" being a *non*-public 
>access account -- dunno, I just don't like *talking* to
>people with *those* accounts -- what's wrong with *that*?
>but I shall *dare* to *speak* to one *not* of my own 
>class -- I mean, oh, geez, you're so damned *inferior* -- 
>ooh, don't *finger* me -- well, come back when you have a 
>*real* account -- if you know what I mean.  And you 
>probably have not a clue.
>
>Point is -- yes.  I am radler, or, maybe, radler is a 
>separate existence in my body, if you like -- entering
>like the hyperalertness that succeeds a vivid dream --
>if you hadn't figured it out by now.  (Oh -- look 
>Mommy -- they're at the same address -- maybe they know 
>each other -- you think?  Sorry though -- am *not* 
>Rimmer, Arnold J., as you would have me be.)  The 
>hostname, and maybe even the subject lines *should* 
>have given the game away -- apparently not -- none of 
>the self-proclaimed MENSA genuises caught it.  No, I 
>didn't think you would after all, you puzzlers, you.
>
>and -- taco!taco!taco to you ... for your entertainment, 
>edification, and reading pleasure.
>
>--
>Scott Andrew Tai && Robin Adler-Pope
>Tostit Northern Associates
>Artificial Intelligence Systems
>
>

Roasty Toasty.
Hmm. Chance to practice escapes:

:r !banner BOGUS

Didn't work. Fuck DYNIX anyway . . .

O well.

*****

Glad to see Scott getting angry, yes. You (respondent) caused a MERGER -
congratulations.
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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: RFD: Create "rec.org.iq.endless.discussion"
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:26:48 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants


I've been reading and putting into my kill file for months these endless
discussions about IQ tests, whether they're valid, how high IQ are and
such other facinating bullshit.

Since Mensans, in a social organization, DO NOT spend 1/10th of 1% of their
time at functions talking about IQ tests, maybe we should create an new
newsgroup for those fascinated with IQ tests?  I propose we call it:

                  "rec.org.iq.endless.discussion"

Why not, folks?  We already have "alt.fan.scott-tai" and "rec.org.mensa.flame.
flame.flame" !!!!

                                               - John Cooley
                                                 LocSec, Boston Mensa


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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Amendment 2 (Was: Re: Membership Renewal ??)
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:48:44 GMT

platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow) writes:

[...]

>Someone who supports legislation like Colorado's Amendment 2 is loudly and
>clearly stating they WANT THE RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THIS CLASS OF
>PEOPLE. There's is no other effect of this amendment except to PROVIDE THE
>RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

I just couldn't let this pass.

Just because *you* can't think of other any reason to support Amendment 2
doesn't mean that someone else can't. Who are you to make such statements
about other peoples beliefs. Unless you have actually talked to a large
number of supporters and asked them the reasons for their support
you have no basis for making statements like this.

You don't discredit someones ideas by making insulting statements about
their motives. If you have evidence that supports you position then give
it, but leave the mud-slinging out of it.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Wiegand - Motorola Inc.
motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net            uunet!motcid!wiegand
Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Gay Mensans?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:57:51 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <93023.144437MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET> MORIARTY@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:

>I betthat got your attention.  :-)  The title speaks for itself
>so where do we go from here?
>     Virtually,     Michael

where do we go from here?  Is this a request for a date or what?

I wonder if this guy is 'just interested' or a gay-basher or what?

Alan Turing was gay: therefore I reckon all anti-gays should be barred from 
using computers......

I wonder if he can guess MY sexual orientation from this post?

    Actually, Occam wore a beard: philosophers kept borrowing his razor
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: rjarecki@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Robert Jarecki)
Subject: Re: Blasphemy?
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:13:01 GMT

In article <C1BI81.215@world.std.com> moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>159muehlberg@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>>Help!  Who is Scott Tai? (this may be sacrilege, this may be humor....)
>
>A coward, too chicken to post his criticisms under his/her/its real name,
>posting under a variety of aliases instead.  Scott Tai, Dr. N O Tai,
>Robin Adler-Pope are some of them.
	
	Wasn't the Adler-Pope an auto produced from 1897 through 1911
	in Rahway, New Jersey?  Or was that the Pope-Hartford?
>
>-Mike


Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 27 JAN 93 08:05:57 EST


In article <727889232snx@montage.UUCP>, platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow)
writes...

>> NOT ANTI-GAY, ANTI-GIVING-SPECIAL-RIGHTS-FOR-GAYS-THAT-HETEROS-DONT-HAVE
>> 
>> I perceive it to be a significant difference.

>You have apparently fallen victim to the religious right and their lies about
>what Colorado's Amendment 2 is all about.

No. I have READ the actual amendment and drawn my OWN conclusions.

I take exception to your assertion that I am incapable of determining for
myself the meaning of what has been written.

You would apparently like to believe that those who oppose it are incapable of
reasoning on their own and are lemmings rushing behind some sort of leader
rather than intelligent individuals who are capable of rational thought and
reasoning.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: leghorn@acme.edu (Dr. Foghorn Leghorn)
Subject: Re: From The Pages of Omni, Part II 
Keywords: ffffffptthhh!!!!
Reply-To: leghorn@acme.edu (Dr. Foghorn Leghorn)
Organization: ACME University, Warner Bros. Studio
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:08:46 GMT


In article <pirtle-250193172506@128.18.22.131> pirtle2sri.com (Dave Pirtle)
writes:
>In article <374655.655374@acme.com>,
>wecoyote@warner.acme.com[GENIUS
>COYOTIUS] (Wile E Coyote) wrote:
>> Also, the answer to the puzzle is equal to the number of posters
>> as clever as I.
>> 
>There are at least 4 solutions.  Did you have a particular one in
>mind?

I calculated, I say I calculated at least four solutions myself.
I think the point of our Mr. Coyote's original posting was that
people where seemingly stumped by the puzzle, and with a variety
of solutions, it seems at least a larger number than 40% could at
least fathom one of the solutions.   Listen to me when I am talking son.
I say, I say I think the boy's post was intended to create ire amongst
Mensans. I'm sure.
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Colorado (was: Membership Renewal ??)
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:52:12 GMT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.131753.23762@ryn.mro4.dec.com>,
>shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) wrote:
>> In article <1993Jan20.055723.17114@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
>> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes...
>> 
>> >>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> >>|                         Boycott Colorado                            |
>> >>|     These are my opinions, and not necessarily any one else's.      |
>> >>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+

Hey guys!  This has got a little off the subject of "Membership Renewal", can
you please remember to change your subject lines!

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From: crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
Subject: Re: The origin of `Mensa'.  A typo?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:56:41 GMT


In article <mike_steiner-210193155129@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.061214.2035@linus.mitre.org>,
>crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) wrote:
>> 
>> It's been said many times that `mensa' is latin for table and alludes to 
>> round table discussions as exemplifying the conversational nature of 
>> bright people.  Or something vague like that.
>> 
>> Does this make sense to you?
>
>It was a deliberate decision to make a triple pun in Latin.
> [...]
>Besides, what difference does it make?

Inquiring minds and all that.

Besides, what difference does anything make?



-- 

| Randy Crawford        crawford@mitre.org        The MITRE Corporation
|                                                 7525 Colshire Dr., MS Z421
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Jealousy (from the pages of Omni....)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:47:04 GMT

In article <C168v9.Fwn@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>
>>From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
>>Subject: Re: Jealousy (was Re: From the pages of Omni...)
>
>>>In article <C14Ev3.FGq@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>>>     How about those who wish not to fulfil the requirements because
>
>>What requirements?  The test?  Why would one want to do more poorly on
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                
>>a test than one is capable of?  I guess I'm not smart enough to know
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>exactly what you're referring to.  Possibly that they refuse to join
>>the club?
>
>	
>	I think it is adequately implied that one who wishes NOT to fulfil

Apparently not, as I didn't catch this implication.  But that's just me.

>	the requirements does this by NOT taking the test.  Of course, 
>	you may pursue this to a trivial conclusion if you should choose....
>
>
>>>     of their superior sense of wisdom (ie. those who accept the notion
>
>>I would agree that "superior" is in the eye of the beholder.  More 
>>precisely, it's in the eye of the person that has the criteria to be
>>met.
>
>	Not true.   One may 'behold' without meeting any of the criteria.
>	I behold you are superior.  Then again, I behold you are not.
>	It wasn't that hard...  really.  

Well, my definition of "criteria" is that which is necessary to make
a judgement.  Therefore, I would consider this "beholding" to have
the criteria of your judgement of "superior".

>	But if humour was intended   ====>  obligatory groan

Humour is always intended -- my postings are not intended to
transform the world as we know it, so that seems a reasonable
second choice.

GMS
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Moving national office
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:16:34 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

jwp@chem.ucsd.edu (John Pierce) writes:
>jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes:
> > 
> > .... we should seriously be thinking of saving Mensa bucks by moving
> > headquarters out of New York City.
>
>How much would we save?  That, by the way, is a request for the results
>of actual analysis of the costs and savings of moving the office, not the
>usual opinionated-and-purely-third-hand-ancedotal-guessing that this issue
>(and far too many others involving the administration of this organization)
>typically engenders.

I can't tell you numbers because I don't know numbers.  That doesn't keep
me from using my own common sense in know that NYC is perhaps the most
expensive city to do ANY type of business in the world in!  Everything
their costs more.

When I was coming out of college, there was a rule of thumb that the job
placement office used as a guide to help students compare job offers from
different parts of the country.  It said something like for every dollar
you spent to live in Averagetown, USA, you'd need $1.41 to live in NYC!

(Perhaps that is why new businesses aren't exactly rushing to set up
headquarters, manufacturing sites, etc. in NYC....)

- John Cooley
  LocSec, Boston Mensa


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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: dobbs@ast.saic.com (Lynn Dobbs)
Subject: Re: Colorado (was Membership Renewal ??)
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:03:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.113859.1@happy.colorado.edu> etbeteille@happy.colorado.edu writes:
>
>Why not all of them?  And white people, too .. why should anyone be able
>to make a claim against a landlord or employer and force them to do some-
>thing?  Americans have certain inalienable rights, none of which include
>a good job or an apartment, no matter what your sexual orientation, race,
>religion, gender or intellect.... 
>	You get what you earn, not what you *need*.
>
Need? or Want?  We tend to give our neighbors what they need.  The problem
is finding the line between need and want.  Most people (probably all of
us) think we need far more than we really do.  A recent example concerns
the U.S. Congress.  The very idea of regulating the cable television 
industry as a public utility is ludicrous.  One does not need television.

In terms of race, creed, color, sex, and sexual preference ....
These are completely irrelevant to most day to day adventures in living.
We make them relevant for absurd reasons.  It does not matter what my 
neighbor does in bed as long as I don't have to be an unwilling partner
to it.  None of the standard reasons to deny equal treatment to some
group is based on real societal concerns.  Just trumpted up crap fed
by one generation to the next.

As for boycotting Colorado, I've done that for the last 40 years ;-)
--Lynn
From: 159muehlberg@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Blasphemy?
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:25:47 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Help!  Who is Scott Tai? (this may be sacrilege, this may be humor....)

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