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From: bgray@uglx.UVic.CA (Bob  Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: When are playoff games?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: bgray@uglx.UVic.CA
Distribution: bc
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada


 I've tried to limit the distribution to bc, but...

 Does anyone know what the schedule is for the first round playoff games?  I
know that the Canucks play their first two playoff games on the 18th and 20th,
but when are the other games?



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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 21:25:30 CDT
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Women's Team USA Roster (IIHF Championships)
 <1992Apr7.222848.4291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>

In article <1992Apr7.222848.4291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) says:
>
>In a previous article, andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter) says:
>
>>Cammi Granato          F     R     71     Providence/Downers Grove, Ill
>
>Tony's sister?
>
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Sure is!!

Terry (who played hockey with Tony G!)
From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Gary's spewing (was Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros))
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:14:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr5.191414.13677
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr2.201227.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>> In article <1992Mar31.134808.15002@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>> Just as an FYI:  Canadian universities do not have sports scholarships 
>>> like US ones do.  You have to be admitted on your academic record.

>Where did Mike challenge the quality of American universities?  Mike made a
>statement that US universities offer sports scholarships, and their Canadian
>counterparts don't.
>
>> or are we to really believe that Canada or say some European country has a
>> superior system?
>> If in fact, anyone truly believes that I'd love to hear the justification
>> for it - but perhaps a different group would be appropriate...
>
>We would like to know who made that superiority claim in rec.sport.hockey.

It looks to me like Mike Godfrey is the one who implied it.  Unless the
replying system put the wrong name in front of his claim.

Fred
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: bufalini@near.gis.psu.edu (Bruce Bufalini)
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Reply-To: bufalini@near.gis.psu.edu (Bruce Bufalini)
Organization: PENN$YLVANIA $TATE UNIVER$ITY
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.225741.10225@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
|> In article   writes:
|> >
|> >Does anyone know if there has ever been a team with a perfect record
|> >during the regular season?  Either 80-0-0 or some variation of:  #-0-#.
|> >
|> >Michelle
|> 
|> I do know that it's never happened in hockey.  I don't know about other sports.
|> I would assume that Montreal's 60-8-12 record comes closest in an 80 game
|> season.
|> 
|> In football, the Miami Dolphins went 15-0 one season (I think it was 15 games
|> that year...)

14 regular season games and 3 playoff games.

-- 
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605 Hartranft Hall
University Park, PA  16802
(814) 862-1492

"I don't wanna die...  I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all."

Long live the memory of Freddie Mercury  1946-1991
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Keywords: personal ramblings
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.163425.255351@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>It seems to me that now the strike has come down to a battle of wills.

See my previous post on Dale Hunter's views.  He agrees with you.

>I have supported the players' in this strike, and I still do.  But I thought
>it was a bad move to flat out reject the owners' latest proposal less than
>an hour after receiving it.  I thought the proposal should at least have gone
>to the union for a vote.  As a player, I would want to read the proposal and
>decide for myself.

Exactly, if Goodenow and "Iron Mike" Gartner and Mike "oh, my back" Piut
were willing to erase the line in the sand and postpone the strike last 
Monday AFTER the players had already voted them authority to call a strike
why were they not willing to take another vote this time around?

Perhaps their position was made stronger by the court ruling, perhaps the 
owner's latest proposal wasn't as good as the last one, or perhaps the vote 
would not have been anywhere near 560-4 this time around.

>And the owners' made a bad move by saying this was their final offer, take>
>it or leave it.  The owners' should have given a sign that they were open 
>to further negotiations on the proposal.  But this "By 3:00 Thursday or 
>forget it" attitude did nothing but anger the union leaders and player reps.

As the, "we're striking by noon Monday," bit probably angered the owners.  
The situation was made worse by the "no, we didn't mean it, let's take 
another vote and advise the players to vote for a strike."  


>I think it was a mistake.  All the players should have been given the chance to
>see it
 I agree.

>But now even the moderates are pissed, and they're talking about bringing in
>replacement players for next season.
>If that's the case, count me out.  I'm not paying major league prices to see
>minor league talent.  I'll stay home and watch college hockey on cable.

>Lori

It must be nice to have that option.  I hope there are no scabs, but all in 
all I was a Caps fan long before Kelly Miller came to town.

Warren
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Examining the books (was Re: The upcoming STRIKE.)
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:41:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: philabs.1992Apr7.134152.5040
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

In article <1992Apr6.151643.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:

[about profit/loss margins in the NHL]

>The NHLPA arrived at the $24 million profit figure after examining the books of
>the franchises in Detroit, Philadelphia, Quebec, and Washington.  I'd say those
>four teams are a fair representation of the financial status of the NHL
>(perhaps a touch on the optimistic side).

The problem I have with this is that both Detroit and Washington have
good teams, and come very close to selling out every game, and Quebec,
pitiful as they are, do a good job of drawing fans to the arena
(Canadian fans love hockey, where U.S. "fans" only like it when their
team is doing well...).  Even Philly started to draw fans after their
miserable start when they started winning.

Optimistic?  You'd better believe it.  A better way would be to take
more "middle-of-the-road" teams, or best yet, the books of ALL the
teams.  Yes, I am aware that some owners siphon off money to their
other holdings (such as the concessions and builing rental), so the
picture in obscured, but since player's salaries are public knowledge,
why isn't the owner's profits?

-JPC

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter)
Subject: Re: Women's Team USA Roster (IIHF Championships)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.222848.4291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>In a previous article, andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter) says:
>
>>Cammi Granato          F     R     71     Providence/Downers Grove, Ill
>
>Tony's sister?

Yes.  She plays for Providence College in the Women's American University
Division I league.  She was on Team USA two years ago when the
Championships were held in Ottawa, Canada.

>>Kathy Issel            F     R     73     Michigan Capitals/Ann Arbor, Mich
>
>What are the Michigan Capitals?  A Junior team?
>If so, what league?

The Michigan Capitals is an all-female team (open age, I think).  My team 
(Scarborough, Ontario) went to Michigan last month to play a two game series 
against them.  We won 5-0 and 2-0.  I'm not sure which women's league they 
play in, but I was talking to one of the women on the Michigan team, and she
told me that there are 9 teams in their league and that they always win
by large scores.  She was disappointed that there wasn't more good 
competition in her area.  Aparently the Michigan Capitals have been
the State Champions for at least the last two years (and quite possibly
longer than this).

Andria Hunter
(andria@white.toronto.edu)

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Xref: sparky rec.sport.hockey:9636 talk.politics.misc:18283
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:39:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <8duPtX600Von0Z1kwx@andrew.cmu.edu> "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>	My mother always warned me there would be people who can't distinquish
>between a general statement and a specific one.

And I always knew that there would be people who make general statements
about things they have no knowledge about.  I cited one example of hockey
interest in the south; not the only one, by any means.  

>	IN GENERAL (there is that clear enough), and it does not take a genius
>to find an exception to just about anything,  the South does NOT give a
>rats ASS about Hockey. 

Tell me, Carl, have you ever lived in the South?  I did, for 22 years.

>	Please explain why there have been so very little season tickets sold
>for the Lightning;

Because the NHL made a moronic decision in picking the Espo bid over the
Compuware bid.  The Compuware guys had a clue about how to market a team;
the owners of the Lightening franchise are demonstrating their
incompetence.  Should fit right in the NHL.

>made more.  And I am sure that you ahve not forgotten about the  Atlanta
>Flames no have you?  

No, I haven't.  The Flames were not a failure in Atlanta, and spurred a lot
of hockey interest in the area.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:07:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.822
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Apr17.191710.24088@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak) writes:
>
>Funny.  It is pretty ironic that a Bruins fan would be trying to make the fans
>out to be angels. (reference to another post)
>
What's the problem, you don't have enough balls to mention my post?

Most of your Sabres will have severe head traumas after the Bruins
are done with that wimp squad. They were preparing for the Bruins
by beating up on a helpless drunk. Ok,he was an idiot by going out
there and sticking his nose where it didn't belong, but 3 on 1 plus
a coach with a stick? That's savage!!! 

Lyndon Byers,Mr Ray is ready and waiting for you!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros)
Date: 5 Apr 92 18:57:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr5.185751.11234
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <14780@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.134808.15002@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>> Just as an FYI:  Canadian universities do not have sports scholarships 
>> like US ones do.  You have to be admitted on your academic record.
>
>So tell me - just what US University accepts students who do not qualify
>with their academice record? I know here at Arizona we have rejected
>players who have met NCAA requirements but failed the university core
>requirements - I'm just curious. Also, as someone who is sensitive of
>late to US bashing, the american system of higher education is simply
>the best in the world - no two ways about it - better access and at the
>top better quality - the envy of the world in fact - or are we to really
>believe that Canada or say some European country has a superior system?
>If in fact, anyone truly believes that I'd love to hear the justification
>for it - but perhaps a different group would be appropriate...

Look, it is true that the average IQ of athletes accepted to many
colleges is significantly below the average.  You can look at their
grades, SAT scores, or anything you want and you will see a pattern.  I
don't mean to suggest that our educational system isn't the best.  I
am convinced that it is.  If it were not, we wouldn't have nearly so
many foreign students coming here and taking their educations back to
their homelands.  That doesn't eliminate the one aspect about the
influence of athletics on the system, whether you like that part or not.

Fred
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,misc.forsale
From: 54325ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.a.arnavas)
Subject: RANGER'S PLAYOFF TICKETS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:04:28 GMT
Keywords: Forsale

THIS IS BEING POSTED FOR SOMEONE ELSE, PLEASE RESPOND TO

WALLY 908-671-1810

Ranger's Playoff Tickets for Sale (All Games)
They used to be the Old Yellow Seats (New Garden doesn't have yellow anymore)
First Game
2 Tickets for Sunday, April 19th
2 Tickets for Tuesday, April 21st

All other Ranger's Playoff Games Available also.

$150.00 for each game.

If interested, contact Wally (number above).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: IHL Results?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:31:31 GMT

Did IHL playoffs start yet?  If so, does someone have the results?

===============================================================================
Kansas City Blades for the Stanley Cup!
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
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rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: UD High Number set question
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:11:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.065137.875@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.225111.20889@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
> >
> >How much should a set of Upper Deck (91-92) High # factory cost?
> >
> >I bought a set down town today, and I want to see if I got screwed over.
> >I got a box of UD (normal) for $29.95, and I guess that's a decent
> >price, but I want to see about the set.
> >
>  I just bought the whole High # factory set for $19.00 as of last week.
> Prices will be going up quickly.
> 
> Joe.
> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu
> 

I just bought 2 factory high sets for $30.00 yesterday. There were loads
and loads of 'em at a local show going for $15.00 each.

pete clark jr
att!hos1cad!seth
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: AHL playoffs
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:49:07 GMT

rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:

>Well, since things are looking rather dime in the NHL playoff
>department, anyone wanna discuss the AHL playoffs? The Spring-
>field Indians have their first game tonite and are looking
>to capture the Calder Cup for the third year in a row and
>I feel they have a good chance of doing it.

>What about the ECHL and IHL?

AHL NORTHERN DIVISION PLAYOFF UPDATE
Springfield vs Cap District: 	SPR leads 2-1
Adirondack vs New Haven		ADR leads 2-0	!!!!

Hopefully will get more to you later. These are the only ones I rememebr
off hand.

BRI

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: A clear rink?
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:35:53 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.

In article <1992Apr7.013330.25166@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>I remember seeing last year's NCAA phinal, and I noticed the bottom part
>of the boards were clear too!  What rink was this?  Also, is this unique
>to this rink?  I didn't think these types of rinks were allowed, because
>it would be hard to see the puck.

The Minnesota Fighting Saints of the old WHA played in a rink that was bill as
"the first rink with glass dasher boards".  I don,t remember the exact 
location but it seems to me they played in St.Paul.
The question is not "Wouldnt it be hard to see the puck?" but
"Wouldnt it be hard not to see under those skirts?"

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Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

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From: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM (Ken Harford - Corp. Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Tonight's Game
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:37:58 GMT
Reply-To: ken@hooters.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooters.east.sun.com


Are Chicago and St.Louis playing tonight? This should be an interesting pre playoff
matchup. Let's see who loses it tonight first.


Ken 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup 1992
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.054845.19265@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.040453.16606@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>>Assuming there will be no NHL playoffs this season, I say we count the
>>AHL playoffs as the real games, but we look at the teams as the NHL
>>teams they represent.
>>
>>For example, if Fredericton was to play Cape Breton, and Fredericton
>>wins (I don't know if that's possible - I don't know the divisions),
>>we could say Montreal beat Edmonton for the Stanley Cup.
>>
>>At least that gives us SOMETHING to cheer about.
>
>No fair!  That way, what about teams that don't have affiliates in the AHL?
>>
>>PS. Go Fredericton!!!!!!   :-)
>
>PS. Go Kansas City!!!!!!   :-)
>
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

Not to worry, Nelson, the strike is OVER!!!!!   (midnight Eastern Friday night)

--Dave
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: No Anti-trust protection.. Big problem!
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:31:54 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>In a previous article, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) says:
>>The courts have not however extended this anti-trust exemption to any other
>>sport.  

>Then how do the NBA, NHL, and NFL exist?

Because the CBA (Common Bargaining Agreement) legalizes the draft. That's
one reason why the NFL is in such deep kim-chee. An agreement between
management and labor that the draft is okay supercedes normal anti-trust
laws.

No agreement, no draft. If the owners draft anyway outside of a CBA
agreement, they then have to deal with federal laws on the subject, which
won't be pleasant.

-- 
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150 pages, no matter how stupid or trite I become, or he ruins the book.
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Who will you be pulling for?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:26:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Since the FLYERS will once again be missing the second season again
this year, I started thinking about who I'd be pulling for to win it
all. Last year I went with the North Stars because I figured that
anybody who had to go up against the Blackhawks and the Blues to get
out of their division needed all the support they could get. Didn't
think I'd be pulling for them for as long as I did...:-)

This year I think I'm going with the Canucks. They've had to put up
with having the Flames and Oilers, and more recently the Kings, being
so dominant for so many years, it's nice to see a new team at the top.
Let's get another new name on the Cup this year!

So my question here is, now that YOUR team is out, or in the event
that your team dies in the first round, who do you want to see go all
the way?

pete clark jr.
att!hos1cad!seth
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: How Profitable is the NHL?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:22:02 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <ku163gINN6q@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Regardless of the figures, I'm a bit confused on what they really
>mean.  Do they mean that the total profit for all 22 teams was $24
>million, or do they mean that the NHL's profit as a business separate
>from the teams was $24 million?  Is there a difference?
>
There is a problem with numbers because all the figures that were released
were based on the books that were opened by ONLY 4 teams and not ALL 22.
Plus the Original Six all make alot of money(there no profit sharing like
there is in the NBA). They grab the bigger share of TV and radio money from
Canadian networks,SportsChannel and various international broadcast outlets.
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL playoff
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:09:00 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

X68305@BARILVM.BITNET writes:

>    I am a hockey fan from Israel. There isn'tmuch hockey here, nor
> anyone give it attention in sport papers etc. All info i gather is from
> cables TV. (about 2 games per week, with a brief overview)
>    I understand that the playoff is soon to begin and i even don't know
> who plays against who , or whos the playoff system works (like NBA? like NFL?
> any information will be appreciate.
 
This could very well be the saddest thing I've ever heard.  Should we tell
him, and ruin his day, or just make up results as we go along?

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