HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
 Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:48:21 GMT


Indeed!  A very good question.

From my own experiences, I can say that I never really belonged to 
any one clique, either in high school or university.  Back in my
high school days (class of 1986) there were the usual cliques,
jocks, chinese, blacks, etc.  I never really wholly belonged to 
any of them.  I did associated with various peoples who hang out
with the cliques tho.

After high school the same cliques were there, more or less.  But 
this time I see cliques of Greek students, Middle East Students, 
Hong Kong students, black students, etc.  It's also interesting to
note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 
least at BU's College of Engineering I saw this).  But I got to know
people from most cliques.

BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
on campus).  My mother says that they are usually the sons of rich
HK families who come to the US to study and to find an "American"
girl to make his wife and to stay in the US.  Now I am not saying that 
I entirely believe this, but can someone shed some light on this?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ta_k@maths.su.oz.au (The Alan Tam Fan)
Subject: eggrolls
Reply-To: ta_k@maths.su.oz.au (The Alan Tam Fan)
Organization: Mathematics, University of Sydney
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:27:56 GMT

HI,

In article <1992Dec8.045711.16001@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>of beauty and attraction should be?  Someone's been smoking too many eggrolls.
... [stuff deleted]
>but works very well when one is dealing with eggroll smokers.

What's an eggroll? Something like a springroll? If so I thought you ate them not
smoked them :-) :-) :-).

bye Katya

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark Green)
Subject: Re: One WM who loves Oriental Fs
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.215524.15135@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>
>In article <t4P=QN@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
>|>Path: taco!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sprl-mac2016.sprl.umich.edu!kamprath
>|>From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
>|>Subject: Re: One WM who loves Oriental Fs
>|>Message-ID: <t4P=QN@engin.umich.edu>
>
>|>In article <92342.191034SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> , SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu
>|>writes:
>|>>>He might think he was doing you and his girlfriends a big favor ...by
>|>>>generously spending time with you.  I have sometimes suspected that the
>|>>>reason some caucasians are attracted to asians is because they really feel
>|>>>superior and enjoy relating from a position of power.
>|>>>
>|>
>|>Why do you think I read this group . . . It gives me the greatest power
>|>rush I could imagine.  I can just feel that superiority flowing through
>|>my veins.  Now, how am I going to get out of my office; my head is so
>|>big it won't fit through the door.  Better get back to comp.sys.mac.programmer
>|>and feel humble again.
>|>
>
>I suspect the main reason you and all other CMs who read this news group are 
>either trying to bed an Asian woman or wanting to continue to bed that Asian 
>woman.  Learning something about AA issues would certainly score some big 
>brownie points with that AF you're trying scr*w.
>

Huh?  This comment makes no sense at all to me.  If I wanted to bed an
Asian woman (or any woman) I definitely wouldn't spend my time reading
this news group, I'd be out there doing it.  If you want to learn about AA
issues the best way to do it is to some Asian Americans in person (if
there not too hung up thinking your after their women).

Seriously, I have a large number of asian and asian american students, and
one way of gaining some insight into their behavior (in an academic sense)
is to know some of the social issues that they face.  Sometimes when a
student is having trouble with their courses or research work, it can be
more or a cultural or social problem than an academic one.  In addition
certain words or phrases can also cause problems, as has been discussed
here many times, being aware of this helps to get your message across.

Anyways, being way up here in Edmonton, its not very likely that any
woman I meet on the net will be tempted to come visit me :-).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Fetish="Rice Queen" (was Re: Inter-racial dati
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:32:51 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1glqj2INNpht@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, (defensio libertatis) said:
>I disagree. I don't think the AAM/CM relationship is accorded by whites the
same
>degree of status as AAF/CM relationships. In fact, many gay white guys also
have
>negative stereotypes about Asian men--e.g. nerdy, geeky--though many white
guys
>still prefer to date Asian men over black men and many asian men are happy to
>accomodate them. (By the way, Asian men who date only white men are called
>"potato queens" and gay men who like only black men are called "chocolate
>queens".
 make sense? Kinda cute or maybe not! You decide.)

ok, yeah, point well taken. You're the gay man, not me.
I wouldnt know. :)
  So hhere's a real silly question for ya, marcus aurelius insularum:
have you ever met a GEEKY gay asian male? I mean, i've met tons
of geeky white gay men, and queeny, and butch, and you name it,
and tons of geeky, and butch, and you name it straight asian and white
men, but never a geeky asian gay man. what gives? maybe my sample is
too small? or maybe their being gay gives them a bit of style and
social skills they wouldnt otherwise have (i am not generalizing
but am thinking of one specific guy i know who was way geeky until
he came out of the closet, and then he ceased to be geeky and became
(unbearably) queeny, but still with a style and humor that most
white swishy men don't have. i dunno, maybe it's like that stereotype
about white boys not being able to dance.? Ok, I'll shut up now).
  Carole
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA scientists and the model minority m
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:45:53 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.tamu.edu

In article 25109@nynexst.com, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <Bz9zqH.1DI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>>In article <Bz9B6n.AJC@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>>>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>>>Undergraduate men: 15.4 %
>>>>            women: 13.1 %
>>>>Graduate men: 6.7 %
>>>>       women: 6.1 %
>>>>Doctoral candidates men: 4.8 %
>>>>                  women: 3.1 %
>>>>How can these patterns be explained?

>>>APA's were smart enough to notice the oversupply of Ph.D's before non-APA's.

[stuff deleted]

>  Also APA's are probably all in medical school!  Foreign-born Asians
>  usually need to get PhDs so that they can stay in America.  They
>  basically need to have a specialty that a company will say that
>  no American can do this work and sponsor them for green cards.
>  American-borns have no need to get a PhD if all they're after is
>  money.

The med school explanation was offered in my original posting, but was
deleted in Larry's followup.  The "oversupply" explanation was described
more plausibly in my original posting as a response by AAs to the
model minority stereotype and the glass ceiling.

The distinction between American-borns and foreign-borns still fails to
explain the relative percentage decline of AAs vs. other American ethnicities,
especially whites.  Or is Clare saying that AAs are more materialistic than 
whites?
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achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:57:17 GMT

In article <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:

>BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
>from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
>wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
>(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
>on campus).  My mother says that they are usually the sons of rich
>HK families who come to the US to study and to find an "American"
>girl to make his wife and to stay in the US.  Now I am not saying that 
>I entirely believe this, but can someone shed some light on this?

     Some of that's probably true, but that's not the primary factor.  What's
the financial aid policy for foreign students at your school?  At C-MU, the
policy is foreign students (according to citizenship) must pay their own way.

     Policy aside, this implies foreign students have alot of money.  The
tuition alone for C-MU is something like $16K.  I fully expect *every* foreign
student at C-MU to come from a wealthy family.

     Incidentally, this applies to undergraduates.  I think the graduate policy
was set by each department.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: AA scientists and the model minority myth was Re: Political Power
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:51:53 GMT

In article <Bz9B6n.AJC@cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>Undergraduate men: 15.4 %
>>            women: 13.1 %
>>Graduate men: 6.7 %
>>       women: 6.1 %
>>Doctoral candidates men: 4.8 %
>>                  women: 3.1 %
>>How can these patterns be explained?
>APA's were smart enough to notice the oversupply of Ph.D's before non-APA's.
Damn right. a PhD is a long time investment, for the materialistic rewards
you might get.  It's not something to do, just for the hell of it or for the
"money".  It should be done only if you really love what you are studying,
and your main goal is to contribute to science, without feeling gaining
substantial monetary rewards for it (at least the majority of the time).
A prof I had in first year, made up a little graph of accumulated income
(average) of Bachelolar, Masters and PhD, over a life time. The best of
is Masters. PhD's start off higher but the cumulative sum never makes up
for the 4 years of work and experience lost to the Masters.  Again, there is
an over abondance of PhD's.


RT
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:39:57 GMT

In article <1gcfuoINN9hn@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.081551.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>Please note that the Japanese-Americans should _ask_, not _demand_, that
>>President-elect Clinton _consider_ selecting a Japanese-American [for
>> National Science Advisor] 
>> The extreme over-representation of Oriental-Americans in the sciences and
>>engineering justifies the appropriateness of this request. 
>
>There is no "over-representation" of Oriental-Americans in the sciences.
>If anything, it is amazing that out of the great (relatively) numbers
>of Oriental-Americans in US Colleges at the undergraduate level so few
>(relatively) reach scientific posts after College.
>

  Exactly.  Again certain people are failing to separate -ge from -cu!
  Asian-Americans PhDs in the Sciences are as underrepresented as
  NATIVE AMERICANS.  I was shocked and surprised at the result of
  a survey form I filled out when I graduated from Cornell with
  a PhD in Mathematics.  Do I need to underline Asian-AMERICAN???
													  ________
  I was one of the few that could check the box Asian-American.
  I don't know what the foreign born students checked or if
  they even got to participate in the survey.  I think it was
  a survey of American-born ethnic groups in the sciences.  Sorry
  I can't be more exact, because I'm sure the survey results are
  somewhere in a box in my mom's house in California.  Does anyone
  know what I'm talking about?  Maybe a more recent PhD in the
  sciences will know which survey I'm referring to....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:47:06 CST
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Southwest Research Institute
Keywords: asian american, media
Summary: TV & movie caricatures

In article <1724@rwja.umdnj.edu> jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
>Subject: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
>From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
>Date: 12 Dec 92 07:57:21 GMT
>Keywords: asian american, media
>Summary: TV & movie caricatures
>While much of our self image and the  perceptions of others  depend on
>ourselves, I think there are subtle and yet pervasive forces that
>are (almost) beyond our control.
>
>No, it's not a supernatural force.
>It's the boob tube.
>
>Japan bashing and the news media - they said Japan is causing all our problems.
>The network news led the hysteria that Japan was causing the recession, 
>generating alot of anger against asians in general.  'Cause when they show
>asians on television, it is mainly in the context of a threat.
>If there is legitimate anger against Japan or any other asian country, let
>the american people take it out on them across the pacific, not against
>their fellow americans - who are of asian mainland origin.
>
>In order to improve our situation, we need more asian males with outstanding
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>talent in acting, directing or other such high visibility skills to develop
>their skills and careers in those directions, and show the rest of america
>who the asian americans really are!
>
>Demeaning caricatures of any group should no longer be acceptable.
>
>Nuff said.
>
>
>					John S. Park
>					at UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Med.
>					Rutgers, NJ
>(there is no asian power structure on the East Coast - we're really in a 
> pathetic situation here) 

YES!!!  I agree John.  But let's not forget as you mentioned, that 
ultimately our self-image is under our control.  Nice piece John.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Fetish="Rice Queen" (was Re: Inter-racial dati
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:06:46 GMT

In article <1gm4h6INN3oq@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah) writes:
>
>ok, yeah, point well taken. You're the gay man, not me.
>I wouldnt know. :)
>  So hhere's a real silly question for ya, marcus aurelius insularum:
>have you ever met a GEEKY gay asian male? I mean, i've met tons
>of geeky white gay men, and queeny, and butch, and you name it,
>and tons of geeky, and butch, and you name it straight asian and white
>men, but never a geeky asian gay man. what gives? maybe my sample is
>too small? or maybe their being gay gives them a bit of style and
>social skills they wouldnt otherwise have (i am not generalizing

  I have, when I was at Occidental about 10 years ago...

  My best male gay friend was a Mexican American guy xxxx who liked
  all the same guys I did.  If he approved, I knew the guy was hot!
  I'm sure he would approve of my present husband!  :-)

  There was this Asian-Amerian straight stud (6'1", muscles) there 
  on the swim team.  Me and xxxx used to call him "Speedos".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sieh@panix.com (Liquid Tide with Bleach)
Subject: Re: One WM who loves Oriental Fs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:31:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec15.013654.3041@ttinews.tti.com> andrew@ice.TTI.COM 
(too cold) writes:
>>[whole Michael Kamprath reply to someone deleted]
>Anyway, that's not what I'm writing about.  I wanted to know (since it 
>was brought up) what the reasons are that caucasians read this group.

Why do people read soc.culture.* groups?  They could possibly be interested.

>p/s you AAs out there can give your opinions if you want, but try not to
>    get out of hand, okay? :)

This AA reader reads s.c.as.am because he's a white-washed twinkie from
White America who's curious as to all the fuss over what is means to be
an Asian American.

[Please consult your nearest smiley file for the appropriate face(s).  I
am speaking to everyone too >:-)]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthanayanaka)
Subject: MORE JOKES
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:31:25 GMT


In article 1gilmaINNlpr@male.EBay.Sun.COM, kevinle@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Kevin Le) writes:
>
>
>
>Here's a little something you all might enjoy.  I believe this is 
>an actual letter a mother had written to her son.
>
>
>
>               MOM WRITING TO WEST VA SON
>
>
>Dear Son:
>
>     I'm writeing this slow cause I know you can't read fast.  We
>don't live where we did when you left.  Your Dad read in the 
>paper where most accidents happen within twenty miles of the 
>house, so we moved.  This place has a washin machine.  The first 
>day I put four shirts in it, pulled the chain, and haven't seen
>them since.  
>
>     It's only rained twice this week.  Three days the first time
>and four days the second time.  The coat you wanted me to send, 
>your Aunt Sue said was to heavy to mail with all those big buttons 
>on it so we cut them off and they'er in the pockets.  
>
>     We got a bill from the funeral home, said if we didn't make 
>the last payment on Granma's funeral, up she comes.  Your Uncle
>Joe fell in the whiskey vat yesterday -- some men tried to pull him
>out but he fought 'em all off and finally drowned.  We creamated 
>him right after and he's still burning good this morning.  
>
>     Three of your firiends wentoff the bridge in a pick-up 
>truck, one was driving, two in the back.  The driver rolled the
>window down and swam out.  The two in the back couldn't get the 
>tail-gate open so they drowned too.  Not much news this time, 
>nothing much happens round here, will try to write more next time.
>
>                            Love,
>
>                            Your Mama
>
>P.S.  Was gonna send you some money but already had this sealed up.
>
>

I got this one from soc.culture.vietnamese.

TU



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:04:10 GMT
Keywords: Asian-Americans
 

Chance to meet potential Asian man and woman lovers.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:05:41 GMT

In article <6_h2=xr@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>
>>What do you bet that when President-elect Clinton gets through with
>>making his Cabinet "look like America," there will be African-Americans
>>and Hispanics, but no Asian-Americans in it?
>
>What percentage of Americans are Asian-American?
>
>-- 
>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
>"I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth 
>atleast once." -Madonna, quoted in NEWSWEEK, quoting from The ADVOCATE.

From the 1990 US Census figures:
	White				80%
	Black				12%
	Hispanic			 9%
	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
	Native American			 1%
The Total adds up to more than 100% since "Hispanic" is not disjoint from the
other categories.
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton