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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:26:08
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levin6706> But, would the boys at Cadmus think of this?  Actually,
levin6706> would the WRITERS think of this.  My answer: probably not.
levin6706> Of course, the way it is now, I also say who cares?  It's a
levin6706> rotten comic.

The Superman titles are not rotten comics. Other that all this death
stuff, it's an exellent comic. The Funeral for a Friend story line is
being done, infinately better than the actual death itself. Do you
even read the titles? Or did you jump on the Superman bandwagon for
his death? If so, this is not the story to judge the titles by...
--
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From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber)
Subject: Re:Vertigo Marketing
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:25:08 GMT


Steve Weide writes:
> The problem with adding these "mainstream" titles is that DC i
> the Vertigo titles out of the "mainstream".  They don't want t
> added problems of keeping Sandman, Shade, etc. in the main DC 
> think that it would be a liability to have to keep all the Ver
> in line with the other DC titles. 

As it is NOW when was the last time Swamp-Thing showed up in Doom
Patrol? Or Sandman in Animal-Man?

Never! None of these books have any real connection (except maybe Sandman/Constantine) except they're all horror/occult/weird.

For that matter, Sandman Mystery Theater looks just as mainstream
superhero as the other titles I mentioned except written (supposedly)
for adults. Oh, yes, of course, they're hoping to cash in on the
Sandman tie...even though there's no REAL connection...

Vertigo doesn't imply Merry Marvel X-overs (Would you really WANT
Vertigo to be run like Marvel?)

Last time I looked, Animal Man, Swamp Thing and (40's) Sandman
were all part of the DC universe and have made frequent forrays
there.

Look, the point is, is Vertigo an 'adult' line or a horror/occult/wierd
line? As it stands, it is just a horror/occult/wierd line which may or
may not be appropriate for adults. Dc however DOES also publish
other adult comics why not include them in Vertigo?

Okay, there MIGHT be a problem with characters travelling from kiddie
books to adult books, but so what? Moore did it okay with
Swamp Thing, and so did Miller in Dark Knight.

I don't THINK Dc's motive is to establish the DC universe and the
Vertigo universe and never the two shall meet. If you ask me, Swamp
Thing, Hellblazer, Shade, and Animal Man MAY all exist on the same
Earth, Sandman probably doesn't, and Doom Patrol CERTAINLY doesn't!
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Jademan Comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:13:39 GMT

I read the first few issues of Blood Sword Dynasty and really liked them
last year.  Then I went looking for back issues, and all the stores 
collections started with somethign like issue 30.  Wish I had the time
to track these down.  the art intrigues me.  The ink washes with the
delicate, detailed drawings are a neat combination.

LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:44:08 -0500 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Re: What is ACME??
	<79763@hydra.gatech.EDU>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 11-Jan-93 Re: What is ACME??
DE LA COVA,JORGE@prism.g (583)

> According to the Chuck Jones autobiography, _Chuck Amuck_, ACME was
> the name taken by companies listed in the phone book in order to get
> their names at the beginning of the listings for a particular 
> product or service.

(Wandering far afield of comics here, but...) "acme" also means "best"
or "cream of the crop." So it's not a totally unreasonable name for a
company. But I blame Roadrunner cartoons more than obscure dictionary
definitions for imprinting the name in my mind forever :-)

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Bomb
Organization: The Stylish Squids of the Poor
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:17:47 GMT

In article <C0p743.FrA@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <C0p3Dp.GvK@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> kesidis@cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis) writes:
>>It's hard to deny that J. Thompson's art sucks.
>
>It's easy to deny.  To me, it's delicate, stylish, and tells
>a story well.

And here I was beginning to think that Iw as the only one who liked 
Thompson's art on Sandman. I'm not sure I like some aspects of it, 
there are a few issues I thought were inconsistent, but generally
I have no problem with it. If nothing else, she does a very good 
job with Delirium and it really is Delirium's story.

Maybe the problem with Sandman art is that it usually isn't standard
comic book art. You get very polarized reaction. While George liked the 
art of Sam Kieth and Kelley Jones, I felt Kieth's work wasn't right for
the book and I have never liked Jones' stuff. (I'm sure Glenn will 
disagree with my feelings on Jones.) 

As they say, different suits for different coots...

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "The young peanut fought well today. He almost
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  had his opponent several times." "I'm afraid
      Don't be afraid.     |  the crowd disagrees with you. Ah! They wish my
   We're here to help you  |  decision."      _Mr Peanut in the Colosseum_
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:31:20 GMT
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John Switzer (jrs@netcom.com) wrote:

: I saw an AP wire story that quoted someone from DC who admitted that they
: were gambling Clinton was going to be President. Hmmm, wonder how many 
: of the DC execs voted for Clinton? Probably a lot more than the overall 
: 43% nationwide!

How do you figure?  If they went by polls alone, they'd have been
right, especially since the lead time put the deadline right around
the time when Clinton's lead was really solid.

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet)
Subject: Re: Next Men Russian 
             <4JAN199322574726@udel.edu> 
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:28:20 GMT
To: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)

What, I have to do EVERYTHING for you?!  :-)

...And he walks away, with his eyebrows threatening to squash his eyes
well into the bridge of his nose, muttering "must be an undergrad!" :-)

...But then he turns back, and says, "If I had the comics handy, I
might consider it, but I don't.  Sorry.  You'll have to do it yourself if
you want the translations anytime soon."

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From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: What if...
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:15:38 GMT

In article <1iero9INNdsa@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan6.041755.14525@eskimo.com> ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler) writes:
> >
> >What if....
> >
> >Sandman was a Marvel title?  
> 
> 	What do you think Sleepwalker is?  According to rumors, spread by
> Neil G. himself that Marvel was ready to make a Sandman-ish comic, with
> a real Brit writer and stuff, but DeFalco finally got around to read an
> ish of Sandman, and though it was boring.  Just people talking and stuff.
> So now we have Sleepwalker, that paragon of drekdom.

This was accompanied by DeFalco's public declaration that "_Sleepwalker_ 
is _Sandman_ done right."  Anyone want to start laying odds that _Sandman 
Mystery Theater_ will actually be the "Sandman-as-a-superhero done right"
book?  (or is _Sleepwalker_ actually _Nightmask_ done worse?  wait...)

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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
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Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:12:00 GMT

In article <1ib71cINNb4i@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes...
>jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
> 
>Marvel is CONTINUOUSLY introducing new chracters (as is DC), and not just
>in the annuals.  Speaking of annuals, current faves like Speedball, Psylocke
>(First US appearance), the New Warriors as a team... all were introduced
>in Marvel's annuals in the past, only without much fanfare.

	You miss my point. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new
DC characters. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new Marvel 
characters. Coincidence?

>>DC has success with the Hellblazer title. Marvel will be
>>starting Hellstorm in February (it's about demons and magic in the Marvel
>>universe. Very orginal.)
> 
>Oh... a new segment of the Spirits of Vengeance line.  I WONDERED when they
>were going to bring him back.  Consider: just MAYBE they're playing this
>all off the extreme popularity of Ghost Rider?  Nah, that's too difficult
>a concept...  >:)

	That's odd. The ads I saw for Hellstorm called it a cross between
Midnight Sons and Vertigo. Not a hard concept at all. :-)

>Epic was Marvel's "mature readers" line LONG before DC envisioned Vertigo,
>and has already had it's fair share of "big names" (I don't think that Frank
>Miller, Bill Sienkiewicz and the like are nobodys...). 

	And when has Marvel had such a big push for Epic? When it first came
out, and now that DC is launching Vertigo.


	Joe Delisle

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 09:11:55 EST

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

> I think we are agreed that Tom DeFalco is doing an awful job writing the 
> FF, with no end in sight.  
> 
> As an excercise in optimistic fantasy, who do you think should be writing 
> it?  I woudl suggest:
> 
I thought of another at work yesterday:  A Fantastic Four series by Jeph 
Loeb and Tim Sale.

Oh, I love it!   I want to buy it & read it already.  Guess I'll just 
have to visit Lucien's library.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Valiant questions
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:28:03 GMT

>I just have picked the recent Magnus issues dealing with the War of 
>North Am, #21 and #22.  I liked them so I might want to get the 
>rebeginning of Rai and the Future Force (?).  I was wondering what 
>other Valiant titles do you suggest to go along with this one.
>
>I know that the Valiant universe is heavily interrelated, but I don't
>have the wallet to buy the back issues at the current prices.  So I was
>hoping someone could tell wich books deal with Magnus's time period
>and maybe give me a short summary of Unity so I don't have to buy
>those issues.
 
First of all, keep your eyes open in the coming months for Solar. The
next storyline has Solar encountering the Maleev Robots in the 20th
century and is supposed to be an important link to the Magnus story.

The next things you should try and find are the back issues of MAgnus
and Rai. They are not criticaly important, but if you like to understand
the Valiant universe of 4001, they would be a help. 

Rai #0, however, is pretty much a must. If you can't afford to buy a
bunch of Valiant back issues or whatever, Rai #0 will help detail a lot
of what will be Valiant history. It also has the first appearance of the
new Rai.

Trying to explain Unity would take a lot more time then I have and will
give me a headache for the rest of the evening. Let's just say that it
was complicated, eliminated the Lost Land, and killed the original Rai
(which is a piss-off, because he was my favorite Valiant character)

As for the rest, I can't say that I'm terriably impressed with Magnus'
new direction. I'll give it a few more issues, but I think it is time
that some writers realize that killing of secondary characters does not
suddenly make a comic more realistic or "deep"

Fianlly, isn't "Rai and the Future Force" one of the sillier titles for
a comic book in recent history?

_craig

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  Stupid Things that you don't want to find on your child's Report  >
>  Card                                                              >
>  #10. Tasty.                                                       >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: What if...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:01:52 GMT

ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler) writes:
>What if....
>Sandman was a Marvel title?  

It'd be Sleepwalker!

>Just think of the team-ups and cross-overs!  Sandman and Spider-Man, replete
>with Stan "The Man" Lee-isims...

I can't see Morpheus getting an angstridden look and saying "With
great power comes great responsibility."  Just wait till they decided
to give him some firepower...


>[oh, I *must* go vomit now....]
-- 
It's hard to RTFM when you can't find the FM.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Nomad #whatever
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:26:20 GMT

Maybe I'm a little behind on things, but I thought Barnes didn't become
Bucky until around the time of the Korean War. I sure didn't know that
he'd spent time in suspended animation. Are you sure you're not confusing
him with Captain America (who created the Nomad identity?)

I haven't read enough of the series to realize that his shotgun isn't
loaded to kill. Glad to see that the ending of the NOMAD mini-series _did_
affect him. At first, it seemed like the writers were ignoring that.

Jay (=
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's Library
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:49:05 GMT
Organization: UB

tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:

>Here's some more things:

>the _Fugitive_'s final episode (as far as I remember it never
>ended);

"The Judgement"   was a two part episode that dealt with the final
fate of Richard Kimble.

It aired several months after the previous episode ( a gap from March
to September, I think )  Maybe that's why you think the episodes didn't
exist.

It's not a bad ending, disappointing in some areas but good in a few others.
Definately not the best Fugitive episode ( IMHO ).


						Jim Perreault
-- 
Comics are like current physics...we haven't had a major shakeup in decades, 
so even the most brilliant participant today is nowhere near as famous as 
the guys who were doing it when all new stuff was being discovered. 
     					--- Dave Van Domelen
From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:01:55 GMT
Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division

In <73246@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:


>You always have to proceed with extremely caution when it comes to profanity
>at Marvel.  Which is why I get a kick out of some of the younger readers
>actually incorporating "shock" into their vocabulary as something they can
>say around their parents, and it means nothing to the parents and something
>to the kid...so everybody's happy.

Yes, I'm sure my mother and father have no idea that my brother is now
cussing a blue streak around them.  I hadn't really noticed the word
in Spider-man 2099 until after he started saying 'shock' at every
opportunity.

-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:01:19 GMT

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
>>The question is, why should she bother wearing a skimpy costume (it
>>gets cold in Manhattan) when she has the power to make whatever portions
>>of her regular costume she likes invisible?
>> 
>Just think what she saves on dry cleaning bills.

Don't the beings who launder the Power Pack costumes take care of
other heroes' unstable-molecule clothing as well?
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] FANTASY or REALITY")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:11:55 GMT
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: ARTIGAS@EVALUN11.BITNET's message of 11 Jan 93 21:43:17 GMT

In article <93011.164317ARTIGAS@EVALUN11.BITNET> ARTIGAS@EVALUN11.BITNET writes:
>     Can anybody send me a list with the comicgraphy of Kyle Baker?
>     What is doing now?

Sneering at his betters, I suspect.  Why should today be different?

He had a typically snide B&W stip in the Village Voice a few months ago.
--

   Nihil tam absurde dici potest, quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu 
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:22:06 EST

goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

> In article <C0GLJu.xA@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell
> )I think McFarlane shows a degree of contempt for his audience
> )in his Comics Journal (I think) interview where he basically
> )says he doesn't care if his writing is good, the only thing
> )that matters is that people buy it\like it. It is either
> )contempt or stupidity.
> 
> 	I read that interview, and I'll vote for stupidity. Anyone who
> hasn't read it and has the least bit of interest in McFarlane or in 
> Image should try to do so. It's truly amazing: the man can barely frame
> a coherent sentence. 
> 
MacFarlane, any time I have seen him, heard him, or seen an interview 
with him, strikes me as the perennial adolescent: a sort of Peter Pan 
character who hasn't managed intellectually to get past puberty, but who 
is having a terrific time with his life.   I have to keep reminding 
myself that this man is an *adult*.

He isn't stupid, he's more of an idiot-savant: creatively he has touched 
a nerve that has made him phenomenally popular and rich.  I don't know if 
he knows *how* he is doing it, but by gum, he's doing it and doing it 
well.

Maturity is not a prerequisite of genius.  Not all geniuses have to be to 
my taste....

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: donovan@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sean Donovan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Presidents in comics
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:30:33 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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At least 1 other Presidential cameo I can think of:  Ron Reagan and Mikhail
Gorbachev in Batman: Son of the Demon.  Oh, wait:  Ron Reagan again in 
Dark Knight Returns III & IV.  Any others?

-Sean (donovan@psych.umass.edu)
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From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Subject: Best Death...
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:49:01 GMT

Well,
     I've always had a soft spot for the "death" of Guardian in Alpha Flight
#12. (As we all know, he came back, for another 12 issue run, in #88. Then he
died again.) I mean, the guy had *WON* his fight. Bet the bad guy. He was
about to shut off his suit and save his own hide, when kablooey!!! he gets
blown to less than ashes because his wife accidentally distracted him at the
crucial moment. The horror and aftereffects of his death were fairly well dealt
with as well. Although they *DID* bring him back, the way they did it 
was more effective than some that I've seen (he came back with SEVERE emotional
problems) and in my opinion, did not really cheapen his death all that much.
He died. All his friends and family believed it. They dealt with it. They 
grieved and then healed. And when he came back they had to adjust. Finally,
he sacrificed his life for a cause he believed in. IMHO, not bad for a Marvel
comic.

DMK

P.S. - Personally, this time I think he should *stay* dead. Having one 
relatively well-handled resurrection is all a Marvel Comics character can
hope for.

--
"Let the foils be brought, the gentlemen willing, and the King hold his
purpose; I will win for him if I can; If not, I will gain nothing but my
shame, and the odd hits." - Puck quoting Shakespeare in The Crossing Line

Dwayne MacKinnon, 910252m@Dragon.acadiau.ca, Acadia University, Wolfville,
Nova Scotia, Canada.