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From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<4619@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
	<5154@transfer.stratus.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:52:51 GMT

In article <5154@transfer.stratus.com> kdj@sw.stratus.com (Ken Jordan) writes:
> However, Christian religion has not harmed children.

	Except of course those children who have died because their
parents did not take them to doctors for religious reasons.  I know,
most children are not brought up in this dangerous situation, but some
are, and some of their deaths can be directly attibuted to that
variant of Christian religion.

[Points about the necessity of discipline, most of which I agree with
 and therefore find uninteresting :-), deleted.]

	However, in my opinion it is not necessary to have a Christian
foundation for teaching right from wrong.  In fact, a Buddhist
foundation, with its five rules (no lying, no stealing, no killing, no
adultery, and one more which I forget (no drunkenness?)) seems
superior to me, since it doesn't have any excess baggage like the
egotistical "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."  My wife is
Buddhist, and she's a very good person.

> Your .signature is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as an atheist (see
> Romans 1), but there are those who are unenlightened.

	One who does not believe in a god is an atheist.  Whether one
is "enlightened" or not is irrelevant.  (In fact, my wife, being
Buddhist, would probably consider most Christians "unenlightened" :-))
	I do not believe in a god.
	So, I am an atheist.
	You say Romans 1 says there is no such thing as an atheist.
	Therefore, either you or Romans 1 is wrong.

	Gee, that was easy.

> Remember, you can only serve one master!  If you are not serving
> God, who are you serving?

	Never heard of double agents? :-)  Anyway, I'm not "serving"
anyone.  Well, I serve Texas Instruments, but they don't expect me to
worship them :-).

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
        HI!  I'm a mutating signature virus.  You can resist helping me spread!
From: dgs@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Dave G. Sokolowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 'Kidgard' in Perfectly Safe Catalog
Date: 20 Jul 92 12:08:09 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin

In article <LOWRY.92Jul16133657@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>
>From what I've heard, there are three safe alternatives: raise the
>child (e.g. with an approved booster seat), lower shoulder belt (e.g.
>with the sort of gizmo that's been discussed in this thread), or stop
>using the shoulder belt altogether (less safe than the other
>alternatives, but probably safer than using a poor-fitting shoulder
>belt).
>
>Wouldn't it be nice if automobile manufacturers made these things
>adjustable in the first place?  Not just for children, but for the
>shorter adults among us.

Toyota advertised this on the Camry (at least a year ago ,I believe).
I don't know if it's on any of there other models, or if other manufacturers
now have it.
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items (mail order address)
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:17:44 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California


Someone writes:
>So anyway, my question: I remember seeing ads in magazines for mailorder 
>catalogs for left-handed items. Of course I can't find any now. Does anyone 
>know of any mailorder catalogs for that sort of thing?


The following bits of information were picked up from misc.consumers last year.
None of it originates with me, so don't ask me any questions about it because
I don't know!

By the way, I'm left handed, and I wish I'd learned to write "correctly".  My
handwriting is pretty bad and I hold the pen like I'm trying to squash it
with my fingertips.   That can get pretty tiring.  Thank heaven for typing!

===========

There's a store on Pier 39 in San Francisco called Left Hand World,
phone number is (415)433-3547.

============
Here is the name and number of the [mail order] place I recently heard of.

                Left-handed Solutions
                PO Box 617
                Port Jefferson Station, NY 11776
                516-474-0091

===========

Parenting magazine (Sept. 91, p. 158) gives the following address:

   Lefthanders International
   PO Box 8249
   Topeka, KS 66608

   (913) 234-2177

for a catalog of left-handed tools or to subscribe to Lefthander Magazine.      

==========
Finally, someone comments:

Be careful when buying scissors from this place (or anywhere else for
that matter).  Most allegedly left-handed scissors have the blades crossed
the same way as right-handed ones, but have handles moulded for lefties.
These scissors are still very difficult to use with your left hand.
When I was last there, every pair of scissors in the store at Pier 39 had
this problem.
 
I recently discovered that Gingher [a German company] makes true, correct,
left-handed scissors.  You may be able to find them (or order them) through
better fabric stores.
 
-- 
cole@unix.sri.com
{amdahl,rutgers}!sri-unix!cole

-- 
cole@unix.sri.com
{amdahl,rutgers}!sri-unix!cole
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In my childbirth class this week we discussed drugs. The instructor gave
some statistics for the use of drugs at the hospital where I will deliver.
She said that about 50% of all women get some sort of drug. About 25%
get an epidural. She didn't know how women who get both are figured
in. This is only for vaginal births, not c-sections (where epidurals are
the norm). She said that in Denver the rate of epidurals was 90%!!! That
seems outlandish, but since some hospitals/doctors push them, I guess I
can't be too surprised.

I was just wondering how many women actually have a drugless labor these
days. Back in the old days, when my mom was bearing children, no one had
a drugless labor. Except my mom. In fact, she had two in the early 60's.
After that, there was a swing towards no drugs in labor. Has the pendulum
swung back again (of course, they are not using the same drugs these
days)?

Just seems like everyone I know got an epidural during labor.
-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Planning meals whilst waiting
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:07:18 GMT

Since sleep is a thing of the past, I now lay awake and worry about the dumbest
things.  Tonights drama is:

What type of meals should I have in the freezer before I go into the hospital
to birth these babies?

I can only think of a couple of things I can make and then freeze that don't
require lots of work, time, and money.  Lasagne and Enchiladas come to mind.
In addition, we have a JennAire grill, so packaging individual meals to be
grilled is a possibility (altho cleaning up the grill is a major chore).
Making a big pot of chicken soup is also a thought.  But that seems to be
all I can come up with.  So, fellow misc.kidders, here's the challange:

What meals/foods can you recommend that I have on hand for the first few weeks
after the babies arrive?  Don't bother with recipes (unless you absolutely
have a knockout suggestion and want to spend the time) as I have a lot
of cookbooks and can read them if necessary.  The caveats are, no pork, as
few meat dishes as possible, and easy to make.

Its been so long since I was interested in cooking (ok, the truth is, I
have NEVER been interested in cooking) that I just can't seem to come up with
much that is imaginative, can provide more than one meal at a pop, will
freeze well, and doesn't take rocket science degrees from MIT to make.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Lamaze vs Bradley/Drug free births
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:08:16 GMT

I took a Lamaze course before the birth of my oldest daughter.  The teacher
was excellent, though quite dogmatic.  She claimed that research showed that
drugs used during labor affected babies born and their intelligence for years.
We were very gung-ho about the different positions and no interventions, etc.  
Then we went on the hospital tour and I was devastated.  All first-time mothers 
would have an episiotomy; once you were admitted, you would be attached to an IV 
and (external) monitor and stay on your back;  delivery was only in stirrups, no 
other position;  enema required- Yuck!  I did not really have the option of 
choosing a different hospital at the time and felt like a failure before I even 
went in.

We discussed it and realized that it was more important to have a healthy baby 
than anything else.  I decided I could put up with the short-term discomfort 
(stitches, whatever.)  And the stitches and the IV site in my hand (which turned 
into a blood bubble) were VERY uncomfortable.

The resident at the first birth had never heard of Lamaze and was incredulous 
when I refused the Demerol they routinely administer.  ("You don't know how much 
it hurts!"  As if he did!)  They did let me lay on my side, though the monitor 
tended to slip.   In my third delivery, I happened to be standing in the prep 
room during transition and it was MUCH easier (I grabbed the nearest chair to 
lean one knee on.)  It also happened too fast for any interventions, so NO 
stitches, just one staple.  (Yeah!)

My point is, ENCOURAGE all-natural births but DON'T lay a guilt trip on mothers 
who end up using drugs or having other interventions.  Some women have no choice
or lower pain threshold.  All three of my kids were born drug free (let's hope 
they stay that way) but they were relatively short and easy births.

As for Bradley vs. Lamaze, Bradley sounds a lot like the Grantly Dick-Read (sp?)
originial method for natural childbirth.  I used Lamaze mostly.  I never mastered 
the panting dilation breathing, but used effacement (basically deep breathing) until
transition.  Then I would blow like there was no tomorrow.  (My husband made sure 
I inhaled enough not to hyperventilate.)   Relaxing your body (if you can) in the
face of incredible contractions is admirable, but how do stop yourself from pushing?   

BTW, the Lamaze breathing techniques are useful outside of childbirth as well 
(deep controlled breathing to calm down and the transition blowing for control).

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele)
Subject: Re: Need help with Assisting my child with dyslexia
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:47:31 GMT

>> ->        Once again, hello, misc.kid folks.  I need some advice...  My
>> ->daughter, Mandy, who will soon be five is still writing backwards.  My
>> ->brother has dyslexia and I found out recently that it runs in my mother's
>> ->side of the family.  I have quizzed the doctor previously in this regards
>> ->[about brother's dyslexia and experiences]

I am helping a 13-year old learn to read.  He has never been diagnosed with
dyslexia, but he does a lot of letter inversions for simple words like snag
(he pronounces it sang and when I get him to read the letters he says s,a,n,
g which would seem to indicate that he sees the letters inverted as well. He 
does not write letters backwards, although is writing isn't very legible, 
especially if he writes for longer periods of time. His reading is improving 
however.  I am about half-way through the "Hooked on Phonics" course and his 
reading has been steadily improving. He has a ways to go but I think he  will
be able to reach his true grade level before long.  Whether the course would
work for a true dyslexic I'm not sure.  Perhaps you could call 1-800-ABCDEFG
and ask them.

___
Paul Steele, Network Services Manager              902-542-2201x660
Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul@ace.acadiau.ca
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:39:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3230
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <18598@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>
>I was just wondering how many women actually have a drugless labor these
>days. Back in the old days, when my mom was bearing children, no one had
>a drugless labor. Except my mom. In fact, she had two in the early 60's.
>After that, there was a swing towards no drugs in labor. Has the pendulum
>swung back again (of course, they are not using the same drugs these
>days)?
>
>Just seems like everyone I know got an epidural during labor.

Well, when I had my first kid, everyone I knew around here had 
relatively drugless labors, because our hospital didn't have an
anesthesiologist for women in labor.  You could get a shot of demerol 
or stadol if you wanted, but it seems like neither of those drugs 
does much for labor pain.  Most of my friends chose not to get them.  
I tried a demerol shot when I was in labor.  It made me sleepy, but
but it wasn't effective for the pain and was gone way before 
transition labor.

Most of my friends in other cities have gotten epidurals.  When
I had my second child in January, I had an epidural and then I found
out why they're so popular.  My labor was painless, and the whole
process was actually fun.  My husband and I would watch the monitor
for my contractions and say "Wow, that was a big one!"  I could feel
them, but they didn't hurt.  I knew from my first time around, however,
what they _could_ feel like, so I was happy to have opted for the
epidural.  It wore off sometime before delivery, so the only moment 
of pain I experienced was when my baby's head got stuck trying to 
push her out.  I was one of the (apparently few) people who really 
did need an episiotomy, and for that I got a local.

Basically, I've been through a very painful labor and a pretty
painless one.  I preferred the painless variety.  I should note,
however, that I had back labor with the first baby--something I
wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.  The degree of pain I experienced 
probably wasn't typical of normal, non-back labor.

My mother, by the way, had three completely natural, unmedicated
labor and deliveries in the 50's, and breastfed all of us.  So
in our family, the trend is away from "natural" and towards
"more fun through drugs!"

Judy Drake
From: julier@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Julie Richardson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: practical (and cheap!) baby gifts for new mom
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:15:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <keReS9S00UhWE1jaR2@andrew.cmu.edu>, lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis) writes:
> On 28-Jul-92 in practical (and cheap!) baby..
> user elizabeth@ux1.cso.uiuc.e writes:
> >What's a practical  (and cheap remember I'm a poor college
> >student) gift that you would have loved to have gotten as a first time
> >parent?
> 
Someone suggested on here a while back a disposible camera!!  I thought
it was a great idea!!

You might want to get one that has a flash that way they don't have
to be out side to take the picture!

You might put it in a little basket with wash cloths or maybe a pair
of little kids underware letting the mother know that they don't
always wear diapers!!

Have fun with it.  Try your local 2nd hand shop for clothes too!!

Julie Richardson
mom to Casey Krista and Weston
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 10:09:00 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Number for Olympic Officials?
 <92211.071704ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>

For everyone's general information, the address/phone # for the U.S. Olympic
Committee is:

USOC
1750 E. Boulder St.
Colorado Springs, CO   80909-5760
(719-632-5551)

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hillary Clinton - Family Values?
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:46:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BrsJHG.7sA
Distribution: misc.kids
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>In article <1992Jul21.182938.7985@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>In article <14g94kINN6am@gw.home.vix.com> shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>>
>>
>>>I've said it before [though maybe not here] and I'll say it
>>>again... the #1 reason why I would not even *consider* Bill Clinton
>>>for president, is Hillary Clinton.
>>
>>Americans have never been quite comfortable with a self-possessed
>>woman who speaks her mind, rather than spending all of her time
>>smiling up at her husband.
>>
>   Touche!

I know a LOT of people who would vote for Jean Kirkpatrick for president
(including me), but I have to agree with the original poster - Hillary
Clinton is scary.  

I don't mind women in a position of power.  I mind crazy people in a 
position of power.

>>-- 
>>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>>			-Joseph Beam_
>>Terrance Heath 
>>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu

>   
> Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

>	"Creativity overcomes violence."
>			John Bradshaw on "Homecoming"

Steve Kellmeyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Twelve yr. old caught stealing women's underwear!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:43:36 GMT

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>i'd sit him down and talk to him.  and i would tell him that
>just because most boys don't wear women's underwear, doesn't
>mean that it is WRONG.  and if her really wants some women's
>underwear, we can buy him some.  if he ISN'T stealing it because he
>is a young transvestite/transsexual, then you'll find out REAL
>fast.  and if one of the above does turn out to be the reason,
>then you can get the kid help early.  sex change operations
>work MUCH better on peopel who have not gone through puberty.

>i would imagine that "Oh my god, my son is a transvestitie/transsexual!"
>was probably the original poster's worst possible case scenario.
>so, find out!  the only cure for transsexuality is a sex change or
>suicide, and people who can't get teh former treatment eventually
>opt for the latter one.  and transvestism is also just there, but
>harmless, and doesn't in any way indicate that the kid is gay.
>most TVs are straight...
>                                  -ailsa

>p.s. if the original poster's worry was that the kid is gay, i
>would tend to doubt it...  why would someoen who is turned on by
>men want WOMEN's underwear?
*----
This raises a good point.  It's best to teach your kids to
be homophobic in their formative years, before they actually
discover that gay people differ from straight people only
superficially.

There are a lot of reasons a kid that age might shoplift, and
there's nothing especially strange about lifting women's
underwear - maybe he was going to show off to friends.  Jumping
to conclusions about his being gay, and especially panicing
because of the possibility, is reprehensible.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: phonetek@rivergold.Corp.Sun.COM (Patricia Shook)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SANTA CLARA SUMMER FAIRE
Keywords: FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: phonetek@rivergold.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Strep B?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.201812.9658@b11.b11.ingr.com> carrie@cjt.b11.ingr.com writes:
>Hi misc.kidders-- after a couple months of lurking, I have a question 
>about something called "strep B."  A friend of mine had a baby girl Saturday, 
>July 18, and the baby ended up in the Neonatal ICU due to a strep B 
>infection.
....
>Since I'm expecting my first baby December 5 --which puts me a little over 
>20 weeks :-) -- I'm wondering if I should be concerned?  Specifically, how 
>common is it, and is there a test for this?  I do plan to ask my doctor 

There is a simple test which can be given to the mother to detect strep B.
She can then be treated so that the baby will not be infected at birth.  I
don't know whether the test is given routinely (it is fairly new, though it
has been around for at least 2 years.)  or whether it is given only when the
mother experiences symptoms.  In the two cases I know of, the mothers did
experience flu-like symptoms a few days before the birth.  In the first case,
the test had not been developed yet.  In the second and more serious case (they
didn't think my niece was going to make it, and she spent 3.5 weeks in NICU
because she didn't respond well to the first round of antibiotics), the doctor
did not administer the test because he "didn't believe in it"!!!

Definitely discuss it with your doctor, and make sure s/he plans to give you 
the test if appropriate.  It can save you a lot of needless worry, even avoid
a senseless tragedy.  (Strep B kills ~2000 otherwise healthy, full-term infants
in the US each year)
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
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