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From: JSTEARNS@VX.CIS.UMN.EDU ("Jerry Stearns, Not On Duty!")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Short story search
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:27:03 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a story he read about 20 years ago
in an anthology from the library.  It's not there any more, and he
wants to find it, and I'd like to help.

STORY - A crimeless future, though there is this guy who reads and
collects mysteries and other crime stuff.  Of course, a crime is
committed, and the authorities don't know how to deal with it.  To
get the "expert" to handle it they offer him an old book by Edgar
Allen Poe.  The expert also has a hokey sidekick who gets corrupted 
by this detective stuff.

If you know what this story is, please let me know.  I do read the
Digest, but would be happy to accept an E-Mail response.

--Jerry Stearns
  SHOCKWAVE, Science Fiction Radio, 
             KFAI-FM, Minneapolis, MN.
  JSTEARNS@vx.cis.umn.edu    or    
  JSTEARNS@UMNACVX.BITNET

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From: cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: Indiana University, University Computing Services
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:11:07 GMT

williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
| I go to book stores.  I go to the library, and only rarely do I find anything
| worth buying and reading.  What is all this crap that clogs the shelves???
| 
| Here is my list of suspects:
| 
| All those nitwits who write endless fantasy series.
| 
| Star Trek Crap.  Enough already!  They've made a frigging
| cult from a second rate space opera on TV.
| 
| Fantasy Body Snatchers.  Roger Zelazny and U K Leguin used
| to write great books before they got into the fantasy dodge.  Wake up!
| 
| Assembly line writers.  Especially the journeymen who they
| hire to produce more product in the style and universe of
| a famous author.
| 
| Publishers who pay the big bucks for this crap.  How do they sleep at night?
| 
| L. Ron Hubbard.  Excuse me, Mr. Fat Boy Cult leader, but who asked you to
| write Science Fiction again?  And isn't he DEAD??? WHY DO THEY KEEP PRINTING
| BOOKS???
| 
| All of the Unicorn and fake medievalist readers who have an insatiable appetite
| for the STOOPIDIST POSSIBLE Trash.
| 
| It is sad.  I can actually remember being able to WAIT IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE
| NEXT Philip K Dick to come out.  Can any claim now to be waiting for anything
| that momentous?
| --
| Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu Work(335-4496) Home(338-6053)
| "You, Varlet! Why so blithe?" -- from "Shreck" by William Steig 


AMEN, BROTHER! But don't blame it on fantasy. Fantasy has an even
higher crap/gold ratio of schlock writers.


----
Chuck Stringer
E-mail cstringe@ucs.indiana.edu

From: David.Dyer-bennet@f0.n2074.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
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Subject: Who Killed Sf???
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:52:03 -0600

 CR> Well, IMO some of the best SF I have
 CR> _EVER_ read has been published in the
 CR> last 10 years. 

 CR> The problem is, the market expanded when SF 'took off', in the late 50's
 CR> to early 70's.  It used to be small and critical, which tended to weed
 CR> out the worst hacks.  Now it is big and insatiable, which swells demand
 CR> so much that any danmfool who can string words together intelligably can
 CR> make a living at SF writing. 

 CR> Stupidity has ceased to be self-correcting in SF publishing. 

I think it's rather worse than you describe.  Because of the great
success of lots of SF and fantasy, *the expectations of the publishers
have gone up*.  They're less willing than they used to be to continue
to publish people who only sell 20,000 copies.  They have, in fact,
contracted the same "bestseller syndrome" which has dogged mainstream
publishing for years.  All the editors are off on a fantastical quest
for the holy grail of publishing, a New York Times bestseller, and
nothing else is of much importance.

Okay, so maybe I exagerate some.  However, I think it's *harder* now
to have a career as a good SF writer than it was 20 years ago.  Mass
taste isn't for good SF, and publishers are interested only in books
that sell in large masses.

I'm not at all sure that as much good SF is published now as was
published 20 years ago.  We can't very well debate this sensibly,
since "good" is so much (entirely) a matter of taste.  But I, also,
can't think of anybody in the field who I await with the excitement I
used to feel about a possible new Niven or Heinlein book.  Or Doc
Smith.  (Late Heinlein I kind of gave up being that excited about,
which was very sad.  Ditto for late Niven.)  And I *can* still feel
that excitement, because I get it for fringe or non-genre authors
like Thomas Harris, Peter O'Donnel, Anthony Price, and Patrick
O'Brian.
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: easy-to-confuse author names (was Re: New Ace SF Specials)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:46:59 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan5.102902.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>Right.   Without green, only red electrons and blue electrons will hit
>the screen. The image is rendered in reds, blues, and shades of purple
>(maroon is somewhere between red and purple).

"Red electrons" and "blue electrons"?!  How did you ever get a job there?
-- 
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United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: R.M. Meluch: Recommended Books?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:47:55 GMT

noir@netcom.com (Noel Ang):
>I've heard mention of five other novels from her, _Wind_Dancers_,
>_Wind_child_, _Jerusalem_Fire, _Sovereign_, and _Chicago_Red_.  Are all of
>these Science Fiction?  Any recommendations are appreciated.

They're all science fiction of sorts.  (Chicago Red is post-holocaust.)
I'd recommend "Sovereign" as the first and best of the lot.  Most
enjoyable, at any rate.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope

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From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
Subject: Re: "Light of Other Days" and Nature (the journal)
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:42:44 GMT

davis@licre.ludwig.edu.au wrote:
: In the last edition of Nature for 1992, the "Daedalus" column which always 
: makes interesting and amusing reading has postulated a "new" invention 
: which sounds very much like Bob Shaw's slow glass from "Light of Other 
: Days" (I think that's the title).

In the first of 1993, there's a "News and Views" article which describes how
a group wired electrodes into the auditory neurons of crickets and carried
them around the forest, monitoring the neural response to other crickets'
territorial songs, etc. This is described as being like "a cyborg-punk
novel".

Cheers,

--
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From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Ambiguous Covers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:01:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan11.010001.1658@sfu.ca>, knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott) writes:
> Inaccurate covers tend to bother me a lot as well. For example, the covers  
> for the Wheel of Time series all look good (most covers by Darrell Sweet  
> do) and they seem to try to depict a certain scene from the book. But the  
> representation is always inaccurate, with characters showing up in that  
> scene when they shouldn't and things like that.

I have a Niven book that has a cover depicting a story from a different
Niven book.  The title of either escapes me at the moment; however,
the story shown on the cover was the one where Nessus kicked the
Kzin captain.
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From: schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Covenant/LotR parallels? (Was Re: Amber: )
	<1ilo8uINNn7v@menudo.uh.edu> <1603@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
	<1inlrnINN5m6@menudo.uh.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:40:28 GMT

HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
   Please don't misunderstand me.  I loved _The Chronicles_, but
   there were plenty of common elements.  I think Donaldson was
   heavily inspired by Tolkiens world -- there's just too much there
   for pure coincidence.  Mayhap he put in those similar things in to
   highlight the other parts of his stories which were very different.


I agree there were common elements, especially in The Lord Foul's
Bane.  The whole quest therein reeked, if not of LOTR, then certainly
of Tolkien ripoffs like Sword of Shanarra.  At first I was put off by
that, but later I realized that it may have been intentional.  After
all, what we see in the Chronicles is Covenant forced to endure
circumstances he finds frightening and offensive.  He constantly
complains about the kind of shallow writing his first novel, the
bestseller, represented.  Your typical bad sword and sorcery novel
fits that description, and Covenant as a writer must have been aware
of such things.
From: cyrot@POLY.POLYTECHNIQUE.FR (cyrot olivier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: who are you
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:42:04 GMT

One of my friend has shown me a part of your controversy on 
Tolkien's Elves
As a french sf fan, i'd like to know more about you.
Greetings from


FRANCE.
From: ojvind@chagall.cns.caltech.edu (Ojvind Bernander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Print runs
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:38:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cns.caltech.edu

Can anyone help me fill in the gaps?  Send email to me at
ojvind@cns.caltech.edu.
If I get enough answers I'll post the results.
Let me know if it is a rough estimate or a hard number.

Zine		Print run	Circulation
----		---------	-----------
Aboriginal	-		-
Amazing		-		-
Analog		107,000		78,000
Asimov's	103,000		72,000
MF&SF		-		-
Pulphouse	-		-
Tomorrow	-		-
SF Age		-		-
Weird Tales	-		-
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From: jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell)
Subject: Re: Start alt.fantasy-- was Who killed SF?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:42:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.170558.39464@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE) writes:
>A while ago, there was an acrimonious negation of the idea that the fantasy
>people should split off SF-lovers. I thought, "Oh good, all the people who
>think fantasy readers should go away have graduated, and I can browse this
>list in relative peace." However, it seems the Science Fiction Inquisitors are
>back.  Shall we retire to another newsgroup?

Naa. Then we'd be getting into the debate on "How do we define science
fiction and how do we define fantasy". The overlap between the two is
often too hard to separate and bla bla bla, the reasons go on. But it
might be a good idea to start a group alt.hard.sci-fi.keep.fantasy.out.
This way, us who enjoy both Science Fiction and Fantasy can still read
this group and those that are Fantasy opposed can hop to the other
group. I could go on about SF meaning speculative fiction, but why
bother. People have their minds made up, and a debate here won't change
it.
Just my two cents.

Jim

>-- 
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>My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.
>
>"The toad beneath the harrow knows Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
>The butterfly upon the road Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling


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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Sturgeon's Law (was Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 16:45:56 EST

In article <C0Kt7z.7MG@techbook.com>
dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque) writes:
 
>
>YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>
>>  SF has just caught up with the Sturgeon's Law, that's all.
>>
>
>"Caught up"?  You forget why Sturgeon thought up the law in the first
>place.  For those who don't know, it was in answer to a complaint
>similar to the one that started this thread.
>
>It occured to me that Sturgeon's Law is almost as well know as Murphy's
>Law.  There's an explanation in the FAQ about Clarke's Laws because
>every once in a while, someone would ask about them (well actually only
>about one of them).  But no one's *ever* asked about Sturgeon's Law.
>
 
    I actually do know the circumstance of the Sturgeon's Law; but I will
agree with the original poster of this thread in that about 10 -15 years ago,
the ratio of "good" to "enjoyable" stuff with total output seemed to be
much higher than it is currently, though I don't think that's because there
are less good writers.  Rather, the SF/F field has grown such that bad
or mediocre writers are now able to find more outlets for their works than
before.
   Jeez, all this because I forgot to put a smilie sign...
 
   Junsok Yang
 
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Stationery & diaries (was 1992 in Review)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:27:58 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books article, dsy@psych.toronto.edu (Desiree Sy) wrote:
>I wrote:
> 
>> I only use ink of a easy flowing light weight
>> (Waterman is excellent, but there are others which will do)
>
>Luke Wagner asks:
>>Which others would you recommend?  I had always thought the choices
>>were 1) something which runs when it rains, 2) something which 
>>will clog your pen often, and 3) nasty-smelling Waterman.  Now you
>>hint that there are others.  Brand names?  How do they smell?
>
>Waterman is my favourite for cartridge pens.  If the ink doesn't
>run when it rains, you don't want it in your expensive fountain
>pen.  This also means that the blacks aren't true blacks, though
>Waterman and Mont Blanc are quite decent.
>
>Mont Blanc and Pelikan are the other inks I'd put in my pen, and
>I like Mont Blanc better than Pelikan.  I would never put Quink
>(or whatever it's called) or Shaeffer ink in it.  
>
>All the above inks come in bottles.  

Mont Blanc also comes in cartridges. I don't know if they fit in
other cartridge pens, but the fit fine in a Mont Blanc cartridge
pen.

Marcy

-- 

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  SoftQuad (West)			
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From: dsra@netcom.com (DRSA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Wanted: White Light by Rudy Rucker
Summary: Wanted: "White Light" by Rudy Rucker
Keywords: Rucker wanted
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:17:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am looking for a book called "WHITE LIGHT" by that excellent 
mathemetician-author Rudy Rucker.  Does anyone have it and willing to part
with it for a price?  If so, email me at john@dsra.com.
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From: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Barker, C.
Originator: write@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:20:24 GMT

In article <01GTA5JMYEPY94ES8U@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA> 8912669@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA ("MICHAEL LONERGAN, MCMASTER, 525-0722") writes:
>I don't know if any of you people consider him an author worthy of review
>in these forums of yours, but I'd be curious what commentary I could garner
>on his works.  Too many of my friends recommend I drop everything to READ
>all of his published works, for me to ignore the clarion call.
>
>I hear his latest novel is more in the "fantasy" vein than the previous 
>bloody works, and at least he's a more intellectual writer than the 
>the tripemeister himself, Stephen King.

I think any writer that delves into the fantastic is worthy of review in
these forums, and Clive Barker definately delves (or should I say, de-elves)
the fantastic.

Personally, I enjoyed the first three BOOKS OF BLOOD.  Many of the stories
were originally, and those that weren't usually had enough of a twist to
the plot or the style (the way of telling the story) that they were worthy
of reading.  In particular, "The Yattering and Jack" is probably one of
my all-time favorite stories, and I really enjoyed "In the Hills, the Cities"
as well.

The next three BOOKS OF BLOOD weren't as good, IMHO.

I've only read one Barker novel--THE GREAT AND SECRET SHOW--and if you 
want to compare Barker to King, then this would be Barker's complete, uncut
STAND without the benefit of having either an ending or some well-done
characters.  Mainly, TGaSS was so purplishly overwritten, that I
wondered if his publisher was paying him by the page count.  Needless to
say, I wasn't too interested in trying another novel after this experience.


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From: w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: RE: Piers Anthony: Victim of his own success?
Date: 7 JAN 93 08:39:48 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) wrote:
>In article <1ig58rINNsnd@agate.berkeley.edu>, chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
>> Has anyone read any of Pier's Anthony novels which aren't part of a
>> series, like _Firefly_ or _Ghost_?
> 
>Yes. Basically Anthony is a competent s-f/fantasy writer, and if you read
>every 12th book he writes (and aren't expecting literature), you're likely
>to be reasonably happy. The real problem with him is that he recycles his
>stuff ad nauseum. Even Greenpeace doesn't advocate that much recycling :-)

I couldn't agree more.  Anthony's first half-dozen or so Xanth
books and the original Adept triology, etc. were quite
enjoyable.  Fluff, yes, but fairly well written, enjoyable
fluff.  But he takes any worthwhile concept and does it to 
death!

And IMO, his best "light SF" work was the Cluster novels.  Of
course, I was in 9th or 10th grade when I read them, but they
were my favorites.  As for his other works (single novels), I
haven't read too many.  I bought _Anthonology_ several years
ago and couldn't get past the 2nd story.  I think Piers should
REALLY stick to full length works!

JC
From: David.Dyer-bennet@f0.n727.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
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Subject: The Gripping Hand By Larry Niven And Jerry Pournelle
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 11:20:23 -0600

 Al> My problem with Niven/Pournelle, as
 Al> evidenced in LUCIFER'S HAMMER and MOTE IN
 Al> GOD'S EYE, is that they always manage to torture or torture/murder women
in
 Al> these books with a little too much loving
 Al> detail.

Even after you mention it, I can't remeber one single example in the
books you mention.  What woman dies, at all, in Mote?  Let alone at
all graphically.  I think I remember some who do in Hammer, but I
don't remember torture in loving detail of anybody, either.  Sounds
like you've got a hot button to me.
From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: ``The Gripping Hand'' is here!
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:01:54 -0600
Organization: Fermilab Grossforschungenseinrichtungen
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In article <1993Jan1.040453.2573@ulysses.att.com>, smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> I didn't see if there were any other copies, but I didn't look very
> hard; I simply grabbed my trophy and held on to it, *hard*.  

Prepare to be disappointed.  I spoke this weekend with someone who was
asked to review it.  She found it barely worth reading.  Then she went
back to *Mote* and re-read it.  Yup, it was a really good SF novel. 
Nothing wrong with her-- it's just that *The Gripping Hand* was dull
and disappointing.

"You mean," I said, saddened but not really surprised, "the heroes of
our youth have failed to deliver?"

The ever-aphoristic Barry Gehm overheard this conversation. 

"The heroes of our youth," he intoned, "have fyunch-clicks of clay."

Bill Higgins                         | Favorite carol around Higgins house:
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From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: George RR Martin
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:59:35 GMT

In article <JOHN.93Jan6183958@sekrit.WPI.EDU> john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:
>
>I read the first four to six of the wild cards series, and while they
>were ok, I was getting tired of them, and wishing for something new
>and original.  I'm sure everyone else has noticed the amazing growth
>of the "Think of a Universe and invite others to write in it"
>syndrome.  It's usually good at first, then goes down hill from
>there...

	It's simply the application  of the same  methods of mass
production that modern industry  uses. Why waste  valuable labour
having  each fiction-maker create new  backgrounds and  characters
when each  worker  can acheive a higher output of salable fiction
by  concentrating  on developing a sub-set of the  skills artisan-
style workers are forced  to because  of their archaic  methods?
Industrially-produced  fiction is  clearly a better  investment for
publishers  than fiction  produced  with the  same  pre-industrial
techniques  obsolete  writers  like Dumas  or  Poe used.

							James  Nicoll
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: KSRobinson _Red Mars_... When?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:41:36 GMT

In article <C0p0yF.MLK@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> louzon@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g 410-765-4049) writes:
> I had the same problem.  However, I just ordered the hardcover from
> Waldenbooks on a Monday and it came in the following Friday afternoon.
> Haven't read it though.  I'm debating whether or not to wait for the
> trilogy to be complete like I am with Dave Duncan's A HANDFUL OF MEN or
> to go ahead and start reading it now.  Time will tell.
> 
> ...
> 
> Now back to that RED MARS book, do I read it now or wait?  Some 
> decisions in life are so difficult!!

A full review will follow eventually, but I would say you could read it
now.  While there's clearly room for more after the end, I think RED
MARS stands sufficiently on its own.  (Of course, I think KSR's stuff
is the bee's knees, so this is only MHO.)

(BTW, I assume the novella GREEN MARS (from Tor Double #1) will be
incorporated into the series.)

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
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