HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,rec.arts.books,misc.education
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-530-8888 for America's Libraries!
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Followup-To: alt.activism
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.154515.6413@utdallas.edu>, woodcock@utdallas.edu
(Gregg E. Woodcock) writes:

>                   "CALL FOR AMERICA'S LIBRARIES"
>                      March 16 - April 11, 1992
>
>A list of the persons who call in will be forwarded to our Congressman in
>Washington - and may be used in our future legislative endeavors in Texas
>as well.

I don't think this is a good idea.  Do libraries have any idea what they
would be getting themselves into by getting federal involvement in
library support?  It would be only a matter of time until each library
were required to sign an agreement not to loan offensive materials, in
the manner attempted after the Maplethorpe flap.  I would prefer to see
libraries continue to depend on local support, even private grants,
rather than becoming reliant on federal funds.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com
From: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,rec.arts.books,k12.library,misc.education
Distribution: usa
From: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Reply-To: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-530-8888 for America's Libraries!

In article <1992Apr9.154515.6413@utdallas.edu>, woodcock@utdallas.edu
(Gregg E. Woodcock) writes:

>                   "CALL FOR AMERICA'S LIBRARIES"
>                      March 16 - April 11, 1992
>
>A list of the persons who call in will be forwarded to our Congressman in
>Washington - and may be used in our future legislative endeavors in Texas
>as well.

I don't think this is a good idea.  Do libraries have any idea what they
would be getting themselves into by getting federal involvement in
library support?  It would be only a matter of time until each library
were required to sign an agreement not to loan offensive materials, in
the manner attempted after the Maplethorpe flap.  I would prefer to see
libraries continue to depend on local support, even private grants,
rather than becoming reliant on federal funds.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com




Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:14:52 GMT


A previous poater on this thread notes that LaRouche was
railroaded by the powers that be, and then asks "one wonders,
since he is indistinguishable from them, what they have against
him" (quote is approximate)

This one suggests you wonder, in the light of what they have 
against him, whether he is as "indistinguishable" from them
as you think.

-Steve
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7788 alt.censorship:3343 alt.conspiracy:6408 talk.politics.misc:18446
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: MYTH! MYTH!
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:29:16 GMT
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Chip Salzenberg writes:
>Leaving aside the loathsome nature of his rants...
>I think "Pete Faust" is just plain nuts.

Well, let's put it this way....

Where you and i have a lump of greyish tissue with various electrical
impulses running through it, Peter Faust has a bowl of orange and green
gum drops.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no 
 Trondheim, Norway
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: pds@analog.ingr.com (Peter Schachte)
Subject: Re: INFO: US-Made Pollution Killing Mexican Infants
Organization: DAZIX, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.024639.4260@anomaly.sbs.com>, mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
> Yeah, GM employs the local sheriffs too, sent out each day to round up those
> lazy workers and make sure they get to the plant on time

I don't know about GM, but certainly this sort of thing happened in the
first half of this century.

> How else can they force those workers to go make those cars?

Starvation is always a powerful motivation.  If there's only one
employer in town, and you can't afford to leave, you don't have a lot
of choices.

-- 
-Peter Schachte
pschachte@analog.ingr.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bud@mtek.com (Bud Hovell)
Subject: Re: "Politically Correct" -- A Quote
Reply-To: bud@mtek.com
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 03:20:24 GMT

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>In <9204051928.AA04965@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:

>	It is not a set of beliefs so much as a methodology for the 
>suppression of ideas.  The ideas differ but the method remains.

Right.

>+>"Enforcers of today's brittle status quo now employ "politically
>+>correct" to describe any political position which disputes the
>+>soundness of economic life, the validity of the assertion that racism
>+>and sexism no longer influence our society, the infallibility of
>+>corporate power, the nobility of right-wing culture, the value of
>+>militarism, or the wisdom of any given policy of the Reagan-Bush
>+>tenure."

Wrong.

"Observers of today's brittle status quo now employ `politically correct'
to describe any political position requiring unswerving acceptance of the
unsoundness of economic life, the validity of the assertion that racism
and sexism dominate our society, the villany of corporate power, the
ignobility of right-wing culture, the worthlessness of military strength,
or the stupidity of every policy of the Reagan-Bush tenure."

Right.
-- 
________________________________________________________________
bud@mtek.com ... uunet!m2xenix!mtek!bud ... bud@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7317 alt.individualism:2303 talk.politics.misc:17134
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:54:09 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

The things the newspaper brings.  A heroin addict was arrested with a
bag of about $5000 in cash.  She claimed the police couldn't
confisticate it because it wasn't drug money, it was what was left of
a lump-sum $8000 check from Social Security.

The police checked, and sure enough.  If you are an acoholic or a drug
addict, Social Security classifies you as "disabled" and will support
your drug habit to the tune of $625 dollars a month.

The local news station, KSDO, called the local Social Security office
and asked about it.  The lady who answered confirmed this.  She also
said that this was only one of several similar programs, some of which
were even more outrageous.

Ah yes, that %15 tax to support all those poor decrepit old people is
well worth it, isn't it?  "The greatest success of government" as one
budding fascist here put it.

---------------

On the other hand, good news on the War on Rights.  The supreme court
threw out the case against the farmer who was entrapped by the
government into a child pornography rap.

And a (black) gardener who was carrying $9000 to buy trees, and who
was squealed on by an airline clerk (they get a "reward" for doing
this) because he bought the ticket with cash and she saw more in his
wallet, is suing the government.  As usually, they closed in on him
and confisticated his money.  This time the victim isn't rolling over
and playing dead.

-- 
Universe, n.:  The problem.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7629 alt.activism.d:1611 alt.individualism:2416
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.131056.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
writes:
> Question for you netters who (unlike me) have been following this guy's
posts:
> 
> >      The media's use of the Laugh Track is to destroy our
> > morals, ethics (including work ethic), educational system and
> > family unit.  Theft, drugs, prostitution, rape and murder
> > (anything illicit) rate laughs, including incest.
> 
>    Is this guy _serious_??????

  I dunno.  Every time I read it I hear background laughter. :-)

                                  -Kurt
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: FAX PROTEST CALIFORNIA EXECUTION
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:16:20 GMT

eric@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Eric Scott Kuhnen) writes:
>newsdesk@igc.org (News Desk) writes:
>>     BACKGROUND:  Harris has an IQ of 83.  He was severely beaten as a 
>>child by two abusive, alcoholic parents.  Leading medical experts have 
>>testified that he has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.  He was a low birth weight 
>>baby with learning disorder.  As an adolescent he was incarcerated for 
>>four years, during which time he was diagnosed as schizophrenic, and 
>>tried to kill himself numerous times.  At the age of 22 he killed a man 
>>in a drunken fight.  Three years later, on release from prison, he 
>>killed two others and was sentenced to death in 1979.  Legal appeals 
>>have kept him alive since.

>The man deserves to be freed from his tortured body.  Certainly society 
>deserves to be free from it.

I would suggest that in addition, all those faxing to keep Robert
Alton Harris alive also fax letters of support to the families of the
two teenagers he butchered.
-- 
Someone is speaking well of you.  How unusual!
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7439 alt.censorship:3211 alt.conspiracy:6194 talk.politics.misc:17511
From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:56:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <gc0wiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes...
>Don't continue to lie and call names.  Fulfill one of the
>rerquirements and you will receive the $50,000.00.  This is
>no idle offer.
> 
>Pete Faust
>Institute for Relearning
> 
>-.-
>Banished CPU supports FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  Currently no fees.
>CALL:  +1(503) 232-6566 (8N1, v.32/42/bis) or +1(503) 232-5783 (8N1)
>UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
>Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.

If this is no idle offer, please supply as name, address and
telephone number of the person we should contact with the
evidence to win this $50,000. Otherwise you are quite
frankly talking out of your arse as per usual.
Can we also have the name, address and telephone number of your
organizations attourney.

Unfortunately, no body can sue for libel of the dead - but I guess an
action for defamation is not out of the question.




Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:00:48 GMT


Let's try another angle on this....

I think *most* people would consider the KKK a HATE group, whose sole
existance is to suppress the rights of other human beings any way they
can, including but not limited to violent acts.

On the other hand, I doubt seriously that *most* people would consider
the NAACP a hate group willing to use violence to suppress other
human beings.  Gerenally, the NAACP has come out publically AGAINST
violence.

Now when you balance those two ideas with the *intent* of Freedom of
Speech, which do YOU think deserves protection?

The triple-kappa is a hate group, pure and simple.  Their sole existance
is to deny rights to other people who are not of the same race and
creed.  IMHO, this makes them a criminal organization, one which has
thus voided any claim to "rights", other than possibly due process
AFTER they are busted for whatever their special crime may be.

That is strictly my *opinion* - please feel free to disagree as you
please, and consider that the law may disagree with my opinion as
well.  Direct flames to dev/null.  Reasonable discussions are fine.

Duane

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:14:41 GMT

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>All counter-protestors (not just "the good guys") have a legal right
>to speak. No counter-protestors (not even the "good guys") have a
>moral right substantially disrupt.

kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley) writes:

>There are fine lines here you haven't mentioned.  If you disrupt a public
>meeting at a library for example, you can be removed.  But if you vocally
>shout down the opposition on public ground, outdoors, you have every right.

Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to shout down those they
oppose. As to whether anyone can get away with shouting down those
they oppose, it is probably quite easy, but that doesn't make it
right.

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.163414.20633@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:
>The Klan has been experimenting with new tactics in Colorado, the same
>tactics they plan to use all over the country; the demonstrators are
>rigidly self-controlled, and they will provoke the protestors to
>violence.

Let's hear some details.

What do they do to provoke people to violence?


--Mark
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7598 misc.legal:9184
From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: worse than mailing lists
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:55:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1992Apr8.054832.20695@wobble.uucp>, dlu@wobble.uucp (Doug Urner) writes:
> hibbert@xanadu.com (Chris Hibbert) writes:
> 
>>BTW, it won't do any good to use Business Reply Envelopes--they're
>>opened by people who aren't paid to report complaints, or mailing list
>>deletion requests.  They're paid by the piece to handle bills, orders,
>>etc.
> 
> Yeah, but I figure if I send them back their envelope it costs them a
> few cents.  If lots of people send them back their envelopes it will
> cost them more.  Not only that there is less waste paper in my
> community to deal with and there's a bit more work for the folks at
> the Post Office.  All in all I figure it's a good thing to send them
> back the junk they send to us.

	My favorite thing to do with Business reply envelopes that I get from
politicians who I don't agree with is te get a box and fill it with rocks and
tape the envelope to it and drop it in the mail box. It's considerably more
expensive than just returning the envelope and INFINATELY more fun! 8-}

	I sent some out a couple weeks ago and I have some more on deck! Oh,
god do I love election season...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave D. Cawley		   |	Where a social revolution is pending and,
University Of Scranton	   |	for whatever reason, is not accomplished,
ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu	   |	reaction is the alternative.
ddc1@SCRANTON		   |				-Daniel De Leon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7792 alt.censorship:3350 alt.conspiracy:6413 talk.politics.misc:18458
From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:46:06 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <gc0wiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
> 
[Plausible bollocks deleted]

2 Questions:

1)
>  
> <                   $50,000.00 OFFER
>  
> < There is a standing offer of $50,000.00 to one who
> < can prove or arrange any one of the following:
>  
Who EXACTLY is making this offer (name, address etc)?

2) If any of this nauseous offal is true, especially:

> UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!

how come the awesome zionist machine hasn't managed to even squash a
little turd such as yourself?
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:15:27 GMT

spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.020819.16701@cs.umn.edu> dege@cs.umn.edu (Dege  
>Jeffrey Charles) writes:
>> Speech, however, is not a crime.
>Incitement to violence, however, is. Given the past track record of the  
>Klan, it is reasonable to expect that the Klan speech will indeed incite  
>violence....................

Sounds like prior restraint to me.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:45:07 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <29EAF7AB.19216@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, Carl Edman (ce) writes:

ce> Thank you for once again demonstrating the "liberalism" of the
ce> left.

The idea that `bad' opinions should not be broadcast is by no means
the special property of the left. In fact it has traditionally been
the favoured tool of the right, McCartheyism is a good recent example.
That left wing ideas alone are not enough to counter this concept
which is embedded deep in the social structure is not suprising, but
to blame it _on_ those ideas is dangerous since it would make one
blind to its application by the right.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7367 misc.legal:8997
From: dlu@wobble.uucp (Doug Urner)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: worse than mailing lists
Keywords: junk mail
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: wobble.1992Apr8.054832.20695
Distribution: usa
Organization: dlu UNIX Consultants

hibbert@xanadu.com (Chris Hibbert) writes:

>BTW, it won't do any good to use Business Reply Envelopes--they're
>opened by people who aren't paid to report complaints, or mailing list
>deletion requests.  They're paid by the piece to handle bills, orders,
>etc.

Yeah, but I figure if I send them back their envelope it costs them a
few cents.  If lots of people send them back their envelopes it will
cost them more.  Not only that there is less waste paper in my
community to deal with and there's a bit more work for the folks at
the Post Office.  All in all I figure it's a good thing to send them
back the junk they send to us.
-- 
Doug Urner, dlu@wobble   "They tear down our comrades like leaves from a tree,
dlu UNIX Consulting       leaves from a tree, leaves from a tree, but the
Bellingham, WA            tree still stands, its roots locked to the land."
206/676-5759                              -- Song of the Exile,  Barry Guilder
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:20:45 GMT

>    Extremism in the defense of liberty IS a vice.
>  
Only if misapplied.
It also depends upon how one defines "extremism"
Some might say that drowning out the blathering idiocy spewed by Klansmen  
constitutes "extremism" whilst others might consider using said Klansmen  
for target practice would constitute "extremism"( and then there are some  
who might say that using Klansmen for target practice might nmot be a poor  
idea- but I digress). 
   Surely there must be a point somewhere between these two extremes, as  
it were, that would satisfy both the need to slavishly follow the literal  
reading of the First Amendment, while still allowing those who disagree  
with fascism/racism to express their opposition? 




lev
Newsgroups: alt.activism,rec.arts.books,k12.library,misc.education
From: woodcock@utdallas.edu (Gregg E. Woodcock)
Subject: Call 1-800-530-8888 for America's Libraries!
Summary: Public Service Announcement
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:45:15 GMT

                        TEXAS LIBRARY ASSOCIATION
        3355 Bee Cave Road * Suite 603 * Austin, TX 78746-6763
                            (512) 328-1518

                   "CALL FOR AMERICA'S LIBRARIES"
                      March 16 - April 11, 1992

                            1-800-530-8888


The American Library Association and Friends of Libraries USA are
sponsoring a campaign for the general public to "vote yes" for libraries,
librarians, and America's Right to Know by calling the number listed above
between March 16th and April 11th.

Lines will be open from 7 A.M. until 11 P.M. Monday through Friday and 11
A.M. until 11 P.M. Saturday and Sunday, Central Standard Time.

A list of the persons who call in will be forwarded to our Congressman in
Washington - and may be used in our future legislative endeavors in Texas
as well.  Let's show our support for this program by calling today - and
getting family and friends to call also!  It won't cost you anything but
time.

   Let's prove once again that folks in Texas know how to do things
   in a bigger - and - better way!

                        Cynthia A. Gray, President

              Organized to promote library service in Texas
===============================================================================
This has been a "public service annoucement" and I am no way associated with
these people (although I do agree with the issue).  I am posting this
*verbatim* as it appears on a leaflet given to me by my wife who received
it as a memo from her principle (she is an elementary school teacher).  I
don't know any more about this than it says above so *please* keep me out
of any controversy that this may generate (although I will be glad to
discuss this with anyone).  I appologize for the Texas geocentrism tone.  I
appologize in advance if this post is inappropriate to this newsgroup but I
do not read it; I just peeked in to see if it might be relevant and decided
it was.

P.S. Yes, I did call (keep in mind that they will ask you for your name,
address, etc. and that by calling an 800 number you will have already
given them the number you are dialing from electronically).
-- 
Gregg Woodcock = woodcock@utdallas.edu or bn202@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship