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From: rbruce@robocomp.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rob Bruce)
Subject: Re: The Inner Light
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.125311.29956@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.050858.3232@schbbs.mot.com> rbruce@robocomp.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rob Bruce) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep27.202143.22012@news.vanderbilt.edu>, MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu () writes:
|> >|> In <1992Sep27.060744.14770@news.vanderbilt.edu> MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >I agree that this was one of the best episodes they have made and 
|> >very much my favorite! I thought the perfomances of all were perfect
|> >as well as believable. The story and scripting were also excellent.
|> >
|> >Some have mentioned that it seemed to end rather abruptly. I would 
|> >suggest that it *feels* that way because the story and acting left 
|> >you wanting even more. I agree that it is too bad we only have an
|> >hour, but it was sure well spent. I think we will continue to see
|> >a new side to Jean Luc since his experience. 
|> 
|> What is your evidence for this belief? TNG's record to date (esp.
|> around BOBW, and "The Mind's Eye") leads me to believe strongly
|> that this will never come up again.
|> 

I don't have any. It's just a feeling. I agree that there could be more
tie-in with other episodes. But I can hope can't I?

-- 


Rob Bruce

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From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
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Subject: Re: Promos for: MAN OF THE PEOPLE (#229)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Sep27.131352.19356@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
|In article <1992Sep27.101050.17728@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
|>Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "Man of the People" (#229) were 
|>released today.  The actual program will air starting on Saturday, October
|>3rd.  Following this will be the new episodes:  Relics, Schisms, Q-Me...
|>
|>COUNSELOR TROI FALLS PREY TO AN ALIEN'S SEDUCTIVE POWERS...
|> Troi:  Strength comes from love.
|> Man:  I have no intention of releasing her now or ever.
|> Troi:  I need you.
|> Troi:  <screaming>  NO!!!!!!  
|
|Between this and Time's Arrow, it looks like season 5 SuperTroi is
|fading away.

Well ... maybe.  I remember that the promos for "The Masterpiece
Society" emphasized the 'forbidden romance' aspects of the episode
and made it look like another Bad Troi Episode.  Of course, Troi
actually acted in a mature fashion in most of the episode.

So ... let's not give up hope on SuperTroi just yet.  Promos are
notoriously deceiving.  (Agreed on "Time's Arrow", though.)
 
-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
                                                          -- W. Bingham Hunter
From: hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rather gross question.
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:31:42 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Question:

How does the transporter distinguish/replicate wounds or external bio-matter,
say...blood in a bandage, or in a tampon? Bullet wounds?



Thanks in advance,
Howie.

(Please excuse my technical ignorance.)
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From: s666@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:25:22 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep24.223738.12112@col.hp.com>, pml@col.hp.com (Patrick M Landry) writes:
> SPOILERS BELOW!!!
> 
> 
> The coolest thing about this show was the implications of the ending...
> now that GR is dead, we seem to be over the LPG* syndrome.
> 
> Did anyone else notice that, in torpedoing the alien's thingy, the crew of
> the Enterprise, without hesitation or remorse, committed utter and total
> genocide?!!?!
> 
> I Love it.
> 
> * LPG = Love, Peace, Granola
> --
> Patrick Landry
> pml@col.hp.com
> Tel (719) 590-2585
 
    The LPG syndrome is far from over, unfortunately. Picard and the gang will
continue to drive around and merely talk to nasty alien thingys, instead of
letting Worf loose to drop photon torpedoes down their shorts.

P.S. I was very disappointed by the single volley of photons in TAII. After
seeing previews for two weeks of Worf saying "Torpedoes away!" I was hoping
for more violence.

Sean Dzafovic
Dalhousie University

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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: *Spoiler* Comments on "Time's Arrow Part II"
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:16:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

Lots of comments already.  I'll try to keep mine to non-repetetive remarks.

*Spoilage* lies below, folks.




What TAII boils down to is that it's a nice adventure through time that could
have been spectacular, but ends up being just good.

Some Random Comments:

    TAII answers all of the questions from TA believably, and the episode
was executed in a fun manner.  The main problem that bugged me was that
I'd be willing to bet that myself and four other netters with at least
a tiny bit of writing talent and confidence could have come up with something
more *inspired*.  I say this because the two main questions raised in TAI,
that of what the aliens were doing and how to return Data, were solved *much*
too easily.  The aliens were soul-vampires and why not just reactivate
Data's 500-year-old head?  Because it's too easy, that's why!  The plot was
too simplified to really sink one's temporal teeth into it, and with a little
more creativity I *know* the writers could have come up with more intricate
and ingenious resolutions.   

    That said, I *did* enjoy the episode, basically because it didn't take
itself too seriously.  There was some nice humor, some exciting action, a
nicely-timed rescue from Data, some surprising plot twists, (Twain jumping
through the portal got me), and a satisfying conclusion.  

    I rather enjoyed Twain.  The actor did a nice job of playing him just
over-the-top enough so that one could laugh at him.  Yes, I expected him
to say poppycock to the notion that man's materialistic desires and inner
evils had been eliminated, but why not have him accept it?  Wouldn't we
all like to believe it?  It fit in with the optimistic sense of the episode
and the idea that the future really does hold something better.  (Data
survives to have a future; Guinan gets to look forward to Picard in the future;
Twain's ideal future is reality).  This is as optimistic an episode as TNG
has done in a while. 

    I think what really may have thrown many people for a loop is that instead
of complimenting TAI, TAII was actually the antithesis of it.  TAI was
*very* fatalistic in theme while TAII was the opposite.  However, I'm not
quite sure that a two parter *should* have parts that are extremes of one
another. 

Interesting experiment, to be sure, but I'm not sure they should repeat it.

Number Grade: 7 

Next Week:


Looks like it could be another great second episode.  Nice music too.  
We'll see......
-- 
Jose Gonzalez
                       Spock- "In your own way, you are as stubborn as another
                               captain of the Enterprise I once knew."
                       Picard-"Then I'm in good company, sir."  
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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:59:11 GMT

SPOIL-O-RAMA (so here's a formfeed)

In article <30SEP199213585270@reg.triumf.ca> lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS) writes:
>
>If not, how could the captain have entered a binary message
>in Data's circuitry ? And I did not think that the captain knew Data's
>circuitry so well.  All in all, the situation just does not make any sense. 
>Very bad script writing!!!

The *IDEA* of sending the message back through time through Data's head was
neat ---BUT--- I get the feeling the WHOLE SCRIPT was WRITTEN AROUND THAT
ONE DEVICE.  I can hear the writers now...

"Oooh, let's set up this deal where Data's head is in the past, the crew
goes back in time, the Captain get's left behind when the rest of the
crew returns to the future, and Picard sends a message to them via
Data's head all that way through time."

"Yeah.  Cool.  But why would Data ever go back in time...."

"I dunno.  Maybe some vampire aliens or somethin', but gosh that
message through time gimmick makes my liver quiver!"

<Craig>

Craig Lowery
Misssissippi College
lowery@AuE.com
From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Trek" history made in "Realm of Fear" (**SPOILERS**)
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Spoiler for "Realm of Fear".

Avast there, ye swabs...

	"Realm of Fear" provided the first instance in all of "Star
Trek" of a first-person view of the Transporter--i.e. what *YOU*
would see if you were transported.

	I'm certain there was one shot somewhere in TOS where we
were given a POV shot from the pads, but *NOT* during dematerialization.
Anybody recall the episode?

	Now we need a first-person view of a phaser blast :)
-- 
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Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Data's Head and the iron filling mystery
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:08:28 GMT

>	The story was too unbelievable !!! In TA1, Data and LaForge checked 
> out the head, in order to find out if it was Data's or Lore's.  They did not
> find that chunk of iron??? When Geordie reattaches the head on Data's body,
> we see the head cleaned up.  Yet there is still a large piece of iron filling
> (and not a wee bit of microscopic hunk!).  Moeover, does Data's head has its
> own power supply? If not, how could the captain have entered a binary message
> in Data's circuitry ? And I did not think that the captain knew Data's
> circuitry so well.  All in all, the situation just does not make any sense. 
> Very bad script writing!!!

Yeah! All starfleet officers have to know binary code...NOT! That was lame.
Picard showed his ignorance when Data was explaining why it could not have
been Lore's head, yet he knows enough to encode a binary message onto a
positronic brain. Unlikely to say the least.

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:42:59 GMT

Maybe a biology major would know or maybe there is a sub this can be forwarded
to where people would know. I'd be curious to know if it was a psychological
ploy of Troi's or if it is a proven fact.

Also does Troi have the power to relieve someone of duty? I thought it still
had to go through the CMO or the Captain?

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:13:15 GMT

> I would tend to disagree with you.  It isn't just simply replacing "I am"
> with "I'm."  In one situation, "I am" would be a better choice, and in
> another situation, "I'm" would be a better choice.  As I said, it's a 
> matter of emotions that would decide.  How a poet reads his poetry depends
> on the mood of the poem.  If Data were to read a poem, I don't think it
> would come out right.  A poem sounds much different and conveys a different
> message when read in a certain manner.  And that is all an expression of
> emotions, which Data does not have.
> Yes, context does have a lot to do with it, but it is not beside the point.
> It is not so easy to implement.  Why did you say, "it's a simple matter..."
> and then go right on to say, "it is very easy..."  I would tend to think
> that your choice of the use of a contraction in the first instance was a
> good choice, and that of not contracting in the second instance was as
> equally a good choice.  The sentences flow better with the contraction in
> one and the absence of the contraction in the other.  But why would I think
> that?  Because it just sounds better.  Does Data know what sounds better?
> I don't think so ("I do not think so" would not sound quite right (and
> "wouldn't sound quite right" would not sound right either).

In one novel Data actually writes some poetry that I believe the author of
the book used a computer to generate. Kinda interesting...I don't see why
Data could not use contractions if he was reading a book outloud! If a
contraction is written on the page he should read it like it is written.
And he certainly understands contractions when people speak them to him. Only
when unfamilar slang is used does he ask questions.
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Time's Arrow II"
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:48:21 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <w2gsRB6w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> tunal@bluemoon.rn.com (Atul Varma) writes:
|rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
|Dear Mr. Rawdon,
| 
|        I think that was a very good analysis of Time's Arrow. It didn't 
|impress me very much, either.

I didn't find it as great as I thought, but it was allright. I thought
Mark Twain was just a silly character. And minus Picard/Guidiun
exchange, the rest was low rate.

-- 
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over here in Singapore, we just had the episode SAMARITAN's SNARE shown where
the enterprise gets a load of Irish people onto the ship and they meet up
with a civilization of CLONES.

we just had the Q WHO episode 2 weeks ago...guess we are also way behind
you guys in the US huh?

sheesh.

simon
From: whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TAII * POSSIBLE SPOILERS *
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:14:18 GMT

jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:

>	without screwing everything up?  First off, London;
>	I agree with Lynch's review on this one.  It would
>	have been much more to my liking if London had been
>	dealt with subtly and then let us wonder if it was him,
>	or just muse that it might have been.  Instead, in
>	TAII, they have him jumping out at us.  "I've had
>	a hankering to go to Alaska.  Don't know why, maybe
>	it's just because I'm JACK LONDON.  JACK LONDON, the
>	writer, except I haven't written anything yet.  There
>	is Twain, and then me, JACK LONDON, before I am
>	famous.  Get it?  Foreshadowing and clever historical
>	inclusion into the plot; the sign of excellent
>	script writers."

	The "revelation" that the bellboy was Jack London came across
as if the writers expected people not to have worked that out.  We
were supposed to be impressed when we "found out", but everyone here
already knew it was London.  I wonder if the non-fan viewing public
(the other 99+%) enjoyed this more.

	On Samuel Clemens: The treatment from part one to two seemed
very discontinuous to me, partly because I expected them to let him in
on the real story.  He was presented as a respectable intellect in
part one, and I think he was supposed to be an accomplice in part two,
rather than a curmudgeonly distraction.  Another problem with airing
part one before writing part two.
					John Whelan
--
	"Do you know what Freud said about dreams of flying?
	 It means you're really dreaming about having sex."
	"Indeed?  Tell me then, what does it mean when
	 you dream about having sex?"  -- Sandman #15
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: The name of the klingon planet
Originator: rhballan@c00501-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:40:55 GMT


128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes:



>If I may give my 2 cents. If you listen real close to the President (sp?) 
>speech during the Federation/Klingon peace talks in ST6, you will hear the
>president say something to the effect that Kronos will be evacuated in some
>amount of time. This is due to enviromental problems on the planet. Therefore,
>it is possible that either A, a new planet became the Klingon Homeworld, or
>it was renamed after the environmental problems on the planet were fixed.
>Just my 2 cents.

I think assumption A is the more correct answer.  If I remember correctly,
the Klingon's energy source on Practus exploded (or something like that)
and the home planet was going to have to be evacuated. I could be wrong.



Rob
From: HDKO <HDKO@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: O'BRIAN'S RANK The Last Word...PLEASE!!!
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:00:58 GMT

Hi Everybody,

I don't mean to start a war of words, but, enough already with
this O'Brian's rank business!!!

The whole point seems mute, considering he is going to leave
TNG to go to DS9 as commander (or chief) of some dept.  A promotion
maybe?  Let's talk about the future and not quibble about the
past.

Does anyone think that DS9 will be a success?  Or will its emphasis
on so many alien races and the fact that it takes place on a static
space station make it a risky proposition to attract non-trekker
viewers?

My apologies to everyone for my tone at the beginning of this post.


Indy.

hdkk@musicb.mcgill.ca
indy@geloser.login.qc.ca
From: mfd@aber.ac.uk (Margaret Frances Disbury)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: My Opinion
Summary: MY opinion ;-)
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:55:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Sep30.201119.25440@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU (W.O. Khan) writes:
>( maybe a spoiler or two below.  I'm not sure at this point because I'm
>fixing to bitch, and I haven't decided what I'm going to say yet)
>
[space deleted]
>
>The following is a 'stream of consciousness' rambling.  beware.
>
>TNG sucks.  I HATE EVERY EPISODE.  Based on my own infinite wisdom, I
>have created a scale from 1 to 10 in which everyone will agree with,
>because I know best.  All episodes should be rated no higher than 2. 

>French people sound like the Brits 

	   well,  and why shouldn't they :-) :-)   [stuff deleted]
 
>No.  We must fight for our rights ...

	[stuff deleted]

>
>This whole bit about saving the world each week and a utopian future
>makes me want to yak. 
 
	[stuff deleted]
>
>I just got tired of typing.

Most refreshing.  At last, a cogently argued critique of the sci-fi we
all love to hate  ;-)

Fran
From: whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Realm of Fear" precedents *SPOILERS*
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:38:03 GMT


	Incidental spoilers for "Realm of Fear" follow:

	I won't say anything about the episode itself, except that it
blew, IMHO.  However, it seems Paramount was busy setting precedents
for upcoming stuff:

	-- It looks as if they've finally decided what O'Brian's rank
is, since he now had one open pip (which I've previously argued can't
apply to any commissioned rank), instead of two full ones, on his
collar.  Note that this also implies that the two full pips really did
mean he was a Lieutenant, and they just retconned it.  (Maybe O'Brien's
rank was the one thing they did change by going back in time. :-))
	Anyway, I guess they wanted to settle this issue before he gets
promoted for Deep Space Nine.

	-- Speaking of Deep Space Nine, how about that reference to
the Ferengi and Cardassians?  Sounds like someone's trying to set up
plotlines...

	-- Finally, did that bit about people being caught in the
transporter stream strike anyone else as a precedent for the cheesy
events that are likely to set up "Relics".

	Gee, a straightforward conclusion to TA, followed by a Barclay
episode even Dwight Schultz couldn't save, with the excrable "Relics"
and dubious DSN looming on the horizon.  I just hope the upcoming Q
episode is good, or this could be a long season...
						John Whelan

--
	"Do you know what Freud said about dreams of flying?
	 It means you're really dreaming about having sex."
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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ???
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.170929.42572@watson.ibm.com> annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.144042.7025@ioe.ac.uk>, teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
>|> >     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
>|> >that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
>|> >a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.
>|> 
>|> Didn't Picard say something like `You can have anyone except Data, who will
>|> be my Number One' ?
>|> 
>
>In the war games episode, Picard kept Data.  In one of the episodes
>where Picard is gone (BOBW??), Riker apologised to Data and had
>Worf as first officer.

No, it was not Worf, it was Commander Shelby...

In BOBW...

He DID apologize to Data AND Worf... and maybe Geordi as well but I'm not
sure...

>
>-- 
>Brenda J. Molina 
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