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From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:49:54 GMT

neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) writes:

[some stuff deleted]

>Sadly, many English-speaking 
>Canadians have a strange sentimental fondness for the English monarchy,
>and it's thus unlikely that Canada will abandon this embarrassing
>colonial remnant in the near future.

I don't know about the rest of Canada but in Newfoundland the so called
monarchists are really only associated with the older people who lived
here when Newfoundland was a Dominion of it own. The baby boomers and
present day population do not have much of an opinion of the monarchy.
That is doesn't matter if it is recognized or not so long as we don't
pay for the institution. Now this is only a broad generalization of what
I can gather from other peoples opinions. In any event there is enough
Irish population in Newfoundland to put the majority of people against
the Monarchy 8-) 8-).

In terms of symbols I don't see what is wrong with placing the Queen on
Canadian coins or bills it is part of the history. On the same note,
8-), I suppose the 20 dollar bill could be revised with another face
leaving Elizabeth on the coins and $2 bill (any others??). 
 
--
=================================
skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:46:07 GMT

cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.070324.18773@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>>horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr4.183354.20792@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>><Reading the net, I've gotten the distinct impression that many
>>><Canadians are dissatisfied with US citizens and the way they perceive
>>><and treat Canada and Canadians.  So I'm curious: given Canada and the
>>><US as they are, what should be changed?  What are the primary
>>><grievances against those south of the border, and how would you
>>><suggest they be addressed?
>
>>Just so that I am not accused of not practicing what I am preaching here is
>>a short list of perceived problems. Note that my presenting them here does
>>*not* imply that I agree or disagree with them.
>
>>- the US treats Canada like the 51st state
>>- the US practices economic and cultural imperialism wrt Canada
>>- the US takes Canada for granted
>>- the US bullies Canada wrt trade
>>- the US expects Canada (and everyone else for that matter) to play by its
>>  rules, but then changes these rules when it starts to lose
>
>>Personally, I tend to agree with a previous poster, the Canadian psyche
>>needs an "enemy" (the US), just as much as the US psyche does (was the
>>USSR, now Iraq and Japan).
>
>What are you really saying here?  Do you have specific complaints about how
>the U.S. reacts with Canada, or do you just want to flame?

I am sorry if it wasn't clear, but I did say above: "Note that my
presenting them [i.e. the perceived problems] here does *not* imply that I
agree or disagree with them".  These were a number of complaints that I
have heard from a variety of sources over the years. It was not my
intention to pass judgement on them; just toss them out for discussion. Why
do you think I "just want to flame"?

I do, however, stand by my comment re both countries needing an "enemy".
That is all too obvious when one listens to what the politicians on both
sides of the border say.
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdivax1.mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.070324.18773@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr4.183354.20792@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>><Reading the net, I've gotten the distinct impression that many
>><Canadians are dissatisfied with US citizens and the way they perceive
>><and treat Canada and Canadians.  So I'm curious: given Canada and the
>><US as they are, what should be changed?  What are the primary
>><grievances against those south of the border, and how would you
>><suggest they be addressed?

>Just so that I am not accused of not practicing what I am preaching here is
>a short list of perceived problems. Note that my presenting them here does
>*not* imply that I agree or disagree with them.

>- the US treats Canada like the 51st state
>- the US practices economic and cultural imperialism wrt Canada
>- the US takes Canada for granted
>- the US bullies Canada wrt trade
>- the US expects Canada (and everyone else for that matter) to play by its
>  rules, but then changes these rules when it starts to lose

>Personally, I tend to agree with a previous poster, the Canadian psyche
>needs an "enemy" (the US), just as much as the US psyche does (was the
>USSR, now Iraq and Japan).

What are you really saying here?  Do you have specific complaints about how
the U.S. reacts with Canada, or do you just want to flame?

Charlie
From: smith@gramian.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:20:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.SMITH.92Apr9132033
	<SMITH.92Apr8092049@gramian.harvard.edu>
	<WARKENT.92Apr8182137@ltisun11.epfl.ch>
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

In article <WARKENT.92Apr8182137@ltisun11.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun11.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:

> Soviet style state interventionism is indeed dead but no case has been
> made that all forms of state intervention are or should be dead.
> Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't; the Soviet mistake was
> to take things too far.  As for "Swedish style social engineering",
> don't be so hasty in proclaiming its demise, since they seem to be
> still in the process of applying it.
> 
> Although I am generally an opponent of government intervention in
> the economy, I do support CanCon regulations.  In fact, these
> regulations seem to have had a positive effect, and I see no
> reason why not to apply them to comic strips.
> 
> > I think the principal failing of the print media in Canada is its
> > universal mediocrity (at best), not its inclusion of banal diversions.
> 
> Total agreement.  Compare McCleans with The Economist and weep.
> By the way, even as liberal a news magazine as The Economist recognizes
> that "state intervention" is not necessarily a bad thing.

If you read The Economist you would know that the Swedes threw out the
socialists in the last election about a year ago, and are now
dismantling their welfare state faster than you can say ``Husqvarna.''

Why do feel that the Arts in Canada are improved by forcing them to
conform to some bureaucrat's idea of suitable Canadian content?  Do
you think that the purpose of art is to provide insight into
spirituality, humanity, truth, or beauty?  Or should it simply serve
as sanctioned symbolism for nations?

What positive effect to you identify stemming from Canadian content
regulations?  Another play about life on Saltspring Island at the
Vancouver Playhouse, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?  The creation of
Bob and Doug?  Another expensive government bureaucracy?  Perhaps you
can explain to me the goals of these regulations, why these goals are
desirable, and whether or not they have been achieved.

Steven Smith
From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel John Harrity)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: ecoles quebecoises
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:52:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Qui peut me donner de l'information vis-a-vis les universites
en Quebec?  Je m'interesse a etudier le finance, et je ne sais
pas les universites qui sont bien connus pour ca.  Si quelqu'un
peut m'aider....

Merci (et pardonnez le francais, svp)

Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |---------"There's nothing 
Seattle University ----------------| |--------- more obnoxious 
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |--------- than a double 
USA 98122 -------------------------| |--------- surname."

"The only way to kill an idea, is to stab a guy in the head."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Sydney Sharpe and Don Braid's new book on the Reform Party
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:06:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.043038.19322@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>
>Well, some Christians believe people will be held accountable to their
>god.  Some Christians (Fundamentalists) seem to think it's their job
>to do the accounting right away - you'd better play by THEIR reading
>of god's rules, or else!
>
>In which group of Christians do you think Manning fits?  I don't know,
>and that worries me.
>

Did Trudeau's religious background, and his charisma, and the cult of
personality which developed around him ever concern you?  Manning's
father was premier for Alberta for two decades...Alberta didn't
exactly become hell on earth...Trudeau was PM of Canada for over
a decade...Canada didn't exactly become hell on earth.  Politicians
too are are entitled to freedom of religion...note how easily you
can push a ridiculous innuendo because Manning is a Christian...
you could not engage in this kind of innuendo if Manning were 
Jewish, or Islamic, or Buddhist, without what you are doing 
probably being called hate-mongering.

The notion that the Reform Party is planning to (or could) create
a fundamentalist religious state in Canada is ridiculous.

>As someone else said, Manning seems to have too much political smarts
>to make such a statement.  There is a perception that he's trying to
>present himself as a moderate in some circles, and a right-winger
>in others.  Standard political trick, of course, but it does make
>it hard to tell what his real agenda is, and just what he's really
>planning to do.
>

Whose agenda is more vague...Preston Manning's or Jean Chretien's?

>
>It is interesting to see the policy of the Reform Party evolving
>(for example, from anti-GST to pro-GST).  Is this evolution coming
>from the ranks, as some claim, or from above, by a manipulative
>politician, as others believe?
>

Jean Chretien's policy on the GST is

"no GST but not necessarily no-GST-like consumption tax".

Which is the more manipulative position...           

Gerald
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11394
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Neil Guy raises interesting issues about the monarchy, reminding me of a useful
distinction that Northrop Frye raises in his last book, The Double Vision: we
see our leader as either a basileus, who rules by right of descent, or a
tyrannos, who rules by right of skill or achievement. (This puts a nice ironic
spin on the Greek tragedy, Oedipus Tyrannos, since of course Oedipus was a
basileus deprived of his birthright.)

The British Commonwealth has found a convenient compromise: a head of state who
is a basileus--the Queen--and a head of government who is a tyrannos. So far,
it seems to work fairly well, providing us with continuity, gossip, and the
opportunity to be ruled by a succession of tyranni. (I was going to insert a
smiley, but got to thinking about everything that's happened since Mulroney
Tyrannos took over in 1984. Oh well...)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:3191 alt.individualism:2277
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Anybody suffering from Persecution Syndrome?R
Date: 4 Apr 92 22:31:20 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <328@catnix.UUCP>, michele@catnix.UUCP (Michele A. Simond) writes:
> I don't know what the general feeling is but there's a
> chap (a.k.a. Frank) that is seriously getting on my nerves.
> 
> From whatever angle one considers things, one can always find
> some rights that are denied to him/her (whether it's language,
> run nude in the streets, go shopping 24hrs a day, 7 days/week,
> etc.) as an individual.  It doesn't mean one is persecuted.
> Whatever our rights as individuals, we also have to consider
> we live in society and there are rules (however flawed they
> are) we have to abide to.  Most people in Quebec have felt
> betrayed by Law 178, but I doubt that persecution is the
> word most anglophones and allophones would use to term their
> feeling.

	To me, there is a basic function of government: the protection of 
individual rights. In some cases, one person's rights run into another's 
(the right to swing a fist vs. the right to not be hit, for instance). 
Society doesn't have rights, except as the individuals that are in it have
rights.One way to justify this viewpoint is to realize that individuals 
are different: what works for one individual won't work for another, and 
the second individual, as much as possible, shouldn't be forced to act as 
the first individual does.
	
> 
> I would therefore suggest to Mr. Frank to drop his "marxist"
> language : it's out of tune today.
> 
> 
	-Allen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: rbutterw@watmath.waterloo.edu (Ray Butterworth [MFCF])
Subject: Re: Get Ready Canada For The Next Boom
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.235034.16943@descartes.waterloo.edu> sitomlin@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen I. Tomlinson) writes:
>A rare event has occurred.  An article which accurately puts the
>Canadian economy in perspective has appeared in Canada's largest 
>newspaper, The Toronto Star.

Note though, that all the figures are for 1988 and 1989.
GST, FTA, research cutbacks, factory shutdowns, etc. have all happened
since then, and a lot more are planned for the near future.
What will the 1992 and 1993 figures be like?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:30:00 -0400 
From: Lothar Boensch <lb31+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: I WANT HOCKEY STATS!!


Servus!

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\  \| |/  /       The Heinz School of Public Policy and Management
 >_______<      Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA (412) 361-0326   
     |          /////////////////  Je me souviens  \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\   
                             The number of Canadians who:
                                             *Believe Elvis is Alive 15%
                                            *Support Brian Mulroney 9%  
   "VANCOUVER CANUCKS...STANLEY CUP CHAMPS 1992!!"
    
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     Ach wie schon dass niemand weiss, dass ich lb31@+andrew.cmu.edu heiss.
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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Queen of Australia (Was: Queen of Canada)
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:29:49 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

maj@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>New Zealand is shortly to issue a new set of banknotes and the Queen will
>then only feature on one of them, I believe the $20. Australia does not
>have the Queen on any of its banknotes.

Yers. She was on our $1 note, which was withdrawn in 1985. There is noise
that she is going on the newest printings of the $5 note, displacing
Caroline Chisholm. I suspect it all might depend on who win's next year's
election.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2745  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Kerry Yackoboski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:39:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Elect. & Comp. Eng., U of Manitoba - Tuvan Instruments Corp.

mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>for the US government's activity
>towards Canada, it can't _really_ treat it like a state (it's been
>more than a century since US troops invaded, Washington doesn't
>tax there, US Supreme Court decisions have no bearing...).

	No bearing in the minds of Canadians, anyway - try tell that to
the cops from Chicago (might have been Detroit, sorry for the
vagueness) who came to Winnipeg in February trying to enforce a court
order from one of their local courts.  They broke into a home over the
protests of the residents and kidnapped the daughter, taking her to the
US border where the suspicious US border guards held them up until
Winnipeg police could arrive.  Although when contacted their supervisor
said they were off duty and he knew nothing about it, they flashed
their badges and waved the court order as though they had the right to
enforce it in Canada.  I'm curious to know whether they thought they
were in the wrong and trying to get away with a crime, or whether they
really thought they were within their rights.  I hope the former.

	The story is actually a lot sadder - the woman is a quadrapalegic
injured a few years ago in a car accident, and apparently her
estranged husband wants custody of her in the US when she receives a
lot of money soon (either result of a lawsuit or an insurance claim, I
guess), but she wants to stay in Winnipeg with her parents.  When the
police arrived at the border they brought a computer she uses to
communicate, so she could tell them she didn't want to go anywhere
with these people.  At least things turned out (sort of) the way
she wanted.
--
<yackob@ee.umanitoba.ca>     Tuvan at heart.
From: exupeha@exu.ericsson.se (Petrus Hardianto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Canada Immigration
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:34:03 GMT


Hi everybody,

I am posting this for a friend of mine.  She has recently got
immigrant visa to Canada, but she would like to stay with her 
present employer in the U.S. for a while before she actually
moves to Canada.

Would that be possible for her to physically reside in the U.S>
for a number of years but still maintain her Canadian landed
immigrant status?  How would she handle her Canadian income tax
return while being in the US?  

You can direct your answer to me at: exupeha@exu.ericsson.se
and I will pass the messages to my friend.

Thank you very much,

/ph
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: ecoles quebecoises
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:57:22 GMT

In article <4088@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Daniel John Harrity) writes:
>Qui peut me donner de l'information vis-a-vis les universites
>en Quebec?  Je m'interesse a etudier le finance, et je ne sais
>pas les universites qui sont bien connus pour ca.  Si quelqu'un
>peut m'aider....
>
>Merci (et pardonnez le francais, svp)

Ca depend...  recherchez-vous des universites francophones ou anglophones?

Pour les universites francophones, il y a l'Universite Laval a Quebec,
le reseau des universites du Quebec (A Montreal, a Hull, a Chicoutimi,
a Trois-Rivieres, a Rimouski je crois... "UQAM, UQAH, UQAC, UQTR, UQAR),
l'Universite de Montreal (UdM), l'Universite de Sherbrooke.

Pour la finance, la meilleure, c'est l'Universite de Montreal. Ben, pas
tout a fait: c'est une ecole associee a l'UdM. Ca s'appelle
les Hautes Etudes Commerciales (HEC).

En tous cas, les universites avec une bonne reputation sont l'Universite
de Montreal, l'Universite Laval, peut-etre l'UQAM (je ne sais pas)...
En tous cas, ce sont les 3 plus importantes en taille...

Pour les universites anglophones: McGill, Concordia, Bishop.
J'en oublie peut-etre... en tous cas, je ne les connais pas vraiment...
Je sais que McGill a une tres bonne cote...

Remarquez, pour la reputation, etant donne que je suis en biologie,
ca differe peut-etre de la realite pour la finance...

Mais en tous cas, avec les HEC, vous ne pouvez pas vous tromper...


Sylvain Chamberland
schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc

another notes group...another try

    would like to communicate with Icelandic men for frank discussion about
Iceland and other issues.

    please e-mail.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.misc:249 soc.culture.brazil:869 soc.culture.portuguese:949
From: smd@fct.unl.pt (Sergio Marco Duarte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.portuguese
Subject: Re: WANTED: portuguese TRANSLATORS
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:42:07 GMT
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa -- Lisbon, Portugal

>    Translators needed in the following languages:

>	    Armenian
>	    Cambodian
>	    Hmong
>	    Laotian
>	    Portuguese
>	    Samoan
>	    Tagolog

 
ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

Ja' viram em que lote horrivel nos colocaram!?
--
 Sergio Duarte  *** smd@fct.unl.pt *** FCT/UNL *** PORTUGAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.spain
From: lacausa@amherst.edu
Subject: La Lista Para Estudiantes Latinos
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:41:15 GMT

 
        Hola, me llamo Gilberto and I am the co-chair of La Causa (the Latino
 student group of Amherst College). I am writing this letter because I am 
 interested in trying to set up some kind of communication among Latinos at
 different colleges and universities. I have managed to convince the people
 in the computer center to give us two e-mail addresses which we can use in
 order to communicate with Latinos nationwide. Such a list can be used for a 
 variety of purposes including: 
 
   1) Inform one another about conferences and events happening
      on other campuses.
 
   2) Share information about how to effectively organize as students.
 
   3) Find more effective ways of recruiting and holding onto Latino students
      and faculty.
 
   4) Talk about ways to change the curriculum so that it starts to deal with
      concerns specific to Latinos in the U.S. (e.g. Hispanic-American Studies 
      programs)
 
   5) Get access to news about Latino students that probably is not availiable 
      through the 'mainstream' student magazines about campus life.
 
   6) Meet people who have a similar background and interest. (e.g. Afro-Latin
      studies is an area where it is not easy to get lots of information through
      the library and a mailing list might make it easier for people to get the
      names of books or references which others have found useful)
 
        I am sure that there are other things that a Latino mailing list could
 be used for and it would really be up to its members to decide what direction
 it should take. 
 
        If you are interested and want to subscribe, or have any comments that
 you want to send specifically to the person taking care of the list (that's me)
 then send a message to:
 
               latino-l-request@amherst.edu
 
  If you want to use the list and distribute a message, article, announcement,
  poem or whatever to all of the people participating in the list then send a
  message to: 
 
              latino-l@amherst.edu
 
 
 
 and also: if you know of anybody who might want to participate in the list 
           please forward this letter to them so that word of this can get out.
 
    gracias
 
 -Gilberto