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From: loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: memory errors
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:24:01 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	We are seeing some errors on an Indigo RPC running IRIXv4.0.1
which appear to be related to the SIMMS.  It is crashing regularly
(several times per day).  It is not convenient to do chip-by-chip
testing so I thought I would ask the opinion of the list.  We have
four 4M SIMM chips in one bank for 16M of memory.

	Note that we have had this Indigo for about a year (maintenance
contract just ran out) and this started happening after it was shutdown
and power cycled.  Here are some excerpts from the SYSLOG (no other 
interesting messages) after two different crashes:

Dec  2 16:45:27 cirdan PANIC: IRIX Killed due to Memory Error

Dec  9 02:05:42 cirdan unix: Parity Error in SIMM 

	Is there a test in diag mode for checking them?  It passes the
default test without problems.  Is there a convenient way to identify
the faulty chip other than swapping them one-at-a-time?

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From: feil@prl.philips.nl (Hans Feil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: can't ftp from terminator.niehs.nih.gov ?!
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:50:08 GMT


Last week there was a message from Bill Henderson about 
SGI Anonymous FTP archives including:

terminator.niehs.nih.gov	192.41.200.12
		/pub				MULTI 3.0 (Multi-Process
						Molecular Modeling Suite)


The problem is that I can't reach this site.
Is this machine down??

Does someone recognizes this problem. (and has a solution.....)


Hans Feil
Philips Research Labs
Eindhoven 
The Netherlands
feil@prl.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki)
Subject: Coprocessor Board for Indigo
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:32:14 GMT

Can anyone tell me the names & numbers of ANY 3rd party co. that sells
a co-processor CPU board that can be plugged into the GIO bus?
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From: jorgec@serss0 (Jorge Castellano)
Subject: 3'rd party monitors
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:39:19 GMT


Does anybody know of any third party monitors for the Indigo? Has anybody been able to use a third party monitor with an indigo? I would like something with at least a 70k refresh rate. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

-Jorge
email: jorgec@fiu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: koverber@cs.ulowell.edu (Kurt Overberg)
Subject: Emacs bindings for SGI Keyboards?
Originator: koverber@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Keywords: SGI Keyboard
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:52:38 GMT


Hi, 

	I'm not sure if this belongs in this group or not, 
but does anyone have Emacs keybindings for SGI keyboards?
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!


					-kurt
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U of Mass, Lowell        | "Poke a double-decker on a Llama taboot,       
koverber@cs.ulowell.edu  |  Llama taboot, taboot!"      -Phish

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chi Yin R Chong)
Subject: Re: Emacs bindings for SGI Keyboards?
Keywords: SGI Keyboard
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:23:16 GMT

In article <BzB2nq.5zu@ulowell.ulowell.edu> koverber@cs.ulowell.edu (Kurt Overb
erg) writes:
>
>Hi, 
>
>    I'm not sure if this belongs in this group or not, 
>but does anyone have Emacs keybindings for SGI keyboards?
>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>
>                        -kurt
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>U of Mass, Lowell        | "Poke a double-decker on a Llama taboot,       
>koverber@cs.ulowell.edu  |  Llama taboot, taboot!"      -Phish

Hi, everyone,

     Please also let me know too. Thank you so much!!!!

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From: chris@stellacom.com (Chris Cressy)
Subject: Re: 3D party drives
Organization: StellaCom, Inc., Arlington, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.142348.21073@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> 
jbs@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Joel Sheffield) writes:
>
>Is there a recent summary of 3d party hard drives (700-1.2) for an
>SGI 4D35 TG?  I would appreciate any experiences, and will generate a 
>summary if appropriate.

I've recently purchased a 1 GB HP drive for about $2,000 from 
Impediment (617-837-8877) for my Indigo R4k XS24Z.  
Purchase and installation went great.  No problems yet with the drive.
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Re: Coprocessor Board for Indigo
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:06:25 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec20.032653.900@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
> 
> How about another Indigo CPU card. I would like to do some REAL time
> data acquisition where I could dedicate one CPU just to data acquisition.
> I know than on a multi-processor machine I can do this but it would
> be nice to do on an Indigo :-)


If your data rates are no more than about 10MByte/sec and you
can use R4000 Indigos (~7MByte/sec for the R3000 Indigo), why not
use the "FDDI bus" to connect the data acquisitio machine to
the other machine?  If your data rate is < 800KByte/sec, why not
use the "ethernet bus"?


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca)
Subject: Is there a 4SALE SGI newsgroup?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:28:23 GMT

The title says it. Looking for used Iris Indigo - where do I look??



R. de Lucca
Johns Hopkins Univ.
rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: shui@mutt.asd.sgi.com (Simon Hui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Re: Is there a 4SALE SGI newsgroup?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:52:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mutt.asd.sgi.com

You can try misc.forsale.computers.workstation.

Simon
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From: achim@video1.han.de (Joachim Gothe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: More Partitions on SYS-Disk ?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: achim@video1.han.de  (Joachim Gothe)
FollowUp-To: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Organization: Mix Broadcast Video and Computer
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel1

Hi folks,

(I think, this is a FAQ, but I can't find the old articles) :-(

I just got a new Indigo with a 1.2 GByte Systemdisk with 4.0.5F.
On the disk are 3 Partitions for Swap, / and /usr. The /usr-Partition
is very big (1 GB).
I use FX to reduce the /usr Partition and add Partition 11 and 12.

After Installing a new System, I can't mount Partition 11 and 12.

How can I can I make 3 new Partitions out of the big /usr-Partition
I need /usr 400MB, /news 200MB and /home for the rest.

We use 11 SGIs, but they only have 530MB System-disks and some a second
disk.

Thanks,

Achim

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: More Partitions on SYS-Disk ?
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 06:24:42 GMT

In <9FQ8s*RS0@video1.han.de> achim@video1.han.de (Joachim Gothe) writes:
| (I think, this is a FAQ, but I can't find the old articles) :-(
| 
| I just got a new Indigo with a 1.2 GByte Systemdisk with 4.0.5F.
| On the disk are 3 Partitions for Swap, / and /usr. The /usr-Partition
| is very big (1 GB).
| I use FX to reduce the /usr Partition and add Partition 11 and 12.
| 
| After Installing a new System, I can't mount Partition 11 and 12.

We don't create entries in /dev for those normally, as we never
use them and creating all possible partitions for all disk devices
uses up just about all the inodes on /.  The normally created
partitions are 0,1,6,7,8 (vh), and 10 (vol).  You could use 7,
but you would still need one more, so you will have to make the
extra devices in /dev/dsk and /dev/rdsk.  See /dev/MAKEDEV (search
for dsk) for how to figure out the minor numbers for these partitions.

Old versions of IRIX would trash those devices on new s/w installs
and upgrades, but current versions no longer have this problem.
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    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Mixing SCSI 1 and Fast SCSI 2 devices
Keywords: SCSI
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 04:16:54 GMT

In <muno.724719686@aeolus.aem.umn.edu> muno@aem.umn.edu (Ray Muno) writes:

| Is it true there will be a performance penalty if older SCSI devices are
| on the same SCSI bus with newer Fast SCSI 2 devices?

No, it is not true.  The slow devices run at whatever speed they
can, the fast devices run at their speed.  Now, if you have more
devices * speed per device than there is bus bandwidth, the slower
devices *might* be a bottleneck, but they aren't a performance
penalty.
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because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chi Yin R Chong)
Subject: Connect Indigo to Apple LaserPrinter
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:00:21 GMT

Hi, every comp.sys.sgi.hardware subscriber,

     I am an Indigo user and I would like if anyone knows how to make 
connection from the Indigo to a Apple Laser Printer.

     Thanks a lot. Your help will be gratefully appreicated.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: marcouil@newton.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Luc Marcouiller)
Subject: Additionnal ethernet card in 4D/440
Reply-To: marcouil@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:12:46 GMT

We are currently looking at the possibility of putting an additionnal 
ethernet card in a 4D/440 to make it a gateway.  As I figured it out the
part from SGI is C4-ET03 for $4570 (CAN), quite expensive (IBM -> 900).  Is
this what I need and any third party equivalent cards.
e-mail or post.
Thanx !
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Coprocessor Board for Indigo
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:48:35 GMT

In <BzGoHr.8nH@csn.org> kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki) writes:

| Can anyone tell me the names & numbers of ANY 3rd party co. that sells
| a co-processor CPU board that can be plugged into the GIO bus?

None that I know of.  What kind of CPU co-processor are you
looking for, and what is the intended use?  Perhaps there is
another answer...

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because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
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From: rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.graphics.animation,biz.jobs.offered
Subject: Job at CalArts
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:28:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: muttley.ucsd.edu

Posting this for a friend. Please respond as indicated below. Please do not 
send me email.


POSITION AVAILABLE
COMPUTER TECHNICIAN
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF THE ARTS
SCHOOL  OF FILM/VIDEO

This  Experimental and Character Animation position is a full-time joint
position responsible for system management, hardware, maintenance of computers,
(SGI, IBM, and SUN), and film/video hard copy output devices in two separate
computer labs.

The work of these labs is centered around the production and recording of a
wide
range of professional quality art and animation in one of the most innovative
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This twelve month, five day a week technical staff position is under the
supervision of the faculty members acting as the directors of the "Computer
Animation Lab" and the "Character Animation Lab".

REQUIREMENTS

This person must be fluent in UNIX, shell scripting, MS DOS, and RCS
programming.  Understanding  of and experience in System administration is a
requirement.

Computer hardware repair, maintenance, and development as well as basic
electrical capabilities and hard wire cabling systems are key elements of this
position.

Network development and maintenance knowledge is crucial to this position.

Needs to be able to work closely with supervisors and when necessary act on
her/his own initiative.

Ability to work well with others in an art environment and strong communication
skills are important.

Salary range:  mid to high 20Us depending upon level of experience.

Deadline for submission of resumes is December 31, 1992.

Send resumes to:

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Acting Dean
School of Film/Video
24700 McBean Parkway
Valencia, California  91355

California Institute of the Arts is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
From: jbs@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Joel Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: 3D party drives
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:23:48 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


It has been some time since I reviewed this list, and so I may have missed
this.  Is there a recent summary of 3d party hard drives (700-1.2) for an
SGI 4D35 TG?  I would appreciate any experiences, and will generate a 
summary if appropriate.
--



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Biology Department
Temple University
jbs@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
jbs@sgibio.chem.temple.edu  or
v5415e@TEMPLEVM.bitnet
(215) 787 8854
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: rconway@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: system 4 ram upgrade
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:45:00 GMT


Firstly I can not read old news items at sgi.com because the line is unbearably 
slow.

Secondly, I have only recently got system 4

I am told I need more memory

I have a
 PI 20 with 12 Mb . I inserted 4*1mb some years ago
 PI 35 GT " " "	"	" 	"	" 	"


What type of ram do I need as regard size,type,parity

to upgrade to 16 and possibly more in the further.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: muno@aem.umn.edu (Ray Muno)
Subject: Mixing SCSI 1 and Fast SCSI 2 devices
Keywords: SCSI
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:01:26 GMT

Is it true there will be a performance penalty if older SCSI devices are
on the same SCSI bus with newer Fast SCSI 2 devices?
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From: conley@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Dennis R. Conley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Third party keyboards?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:33:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: hawk.1992Dec14.183321.2225
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

We have a 4D/60 keyboard which is pretty well worn out. SGI new/rebuilds are
rather expensive ( actually, SGI hasn't even verified that they exist ). We'd
like to find a third party keyboard work if available.

Thanks.
-- 
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|conley@hawk.cs.ukans.edu			     conley@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Subject: Re: Coprocessor Board for Indigo
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:26:53 GMT

In article <tp1mpss@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <BzGoHr.8nH@csn.org> kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki) writes:
>
>| Can anyone tell me the names & numbers of ANY 3rd party co. that sells
>| a co-processor CPU board that can be plugged into the GIO bus?
>
>None that I know of.  What kind of CPU co-processor are you
>looking for, and what is the intended use?  Perhaps there is
>another answer...
>

How about another Indigo CPU card. I would like to do some REAL time
data acquisition where I could dedicate one CPU just to data acquisition.
I know than on a multi-processor machine I can do this but it would
be nice to do on an Indigo :-)
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(senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu) | from a freight car; but if he has a university
Division of Life Sciences    | education, he may steal the whole railroad.
UT San Antonio               |             Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Screen Frequencies, Quality printers
From: mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:05:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research
Keywords: printer monitor specifications
NNTP-Posting-Host: wehio.wehi.edu.au

  I have asked the following question of our local sgi representative about
2 weeks ago with no response (other that trying to sell their latest
hardware :-).  So maybe someone 'out there' has done what we need.

  We have an Indigo Elan running voxelview to process images from a
confocal microscope.  The group using this device is currently trying to
get a high-quality output device to print images of the screen.  The devices
they are currently checking connect to the monitors RGB plugs via 'Y' cables.
No device has yet been able to cope with the scan frequencies of the SGI
monitor. 

 Does anyone know what these frequencies are?

  I have search all our documentation for specifications on the monitor with
no luck.  It is a 19" monitor, it is definitely RGB!

  Now, this printing device produces 'photograph' quality output of the
screen, however, it requires you to put the desired picture onto the monitor
of the SGI.  What I would like to do is get the same 'quality' output but have
the printer connected to the network, either via the serial port on one of
the UNIX boxes or else directly connected to the ethernet.  It should take
one of the well known picture format standards and must be true to all the
colors of the screen.  We have seen the output from a color postscript
printer based on 'wax color pelets' and this was not acceptable to the
SGI users.

Can anyone suggest a suitable printer?

  I asked the same question of 'Vital Images' and they told me about the
'Codonics 600NP'.  I am still waiting for the printer salesman to get back
to me with details on this printer (1 week already).  We are in a recesssion
but salesman performance sure does not indicate it :-)  I am after a list
of viable printers and we will search for other printer suppliers in the
new year.

  I will summarize printers if I get responses, so e-mail me your answers.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi
From: janb@bast.sics.se (Jan Bogdanski)
Subject: Indigo Video Modes 
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:51:20 GMT

I am looking for technical information how to reprogram INDIGO's video modes to
my own format. I would like to connect  my own video monitor to the workstation.
Its timing is: horozontal frequency - 100 KHz , vertical 180 Hz.
Please do e-mail your response.Thanks in advance
Jan Bogdanski
janb@sics.se
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: why is malloc() core dumping me?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:27:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec18.132718.18673
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


    I have a C program on an SGI Iris, which is core-dumping
("segmentation fault"). I have localized this problem to a single
statement (by means of putting "printf()"s around it - we have no
visual debugger). The statement is:
p = (char *) malloc(1024);
where p is a char *.
the same problem happens if I do malloc(1024) (no p=).
The weird thing is that I am not even de-referencing the
pointer - it is core-dumping within the malloc itself.
Why might this be happenning? I have never heard of such a thing on
any other system. If something is wrong (no more mem, etc.) shouldn't
it just return NULL?
Please reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
From: 2064aw@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (R Moxley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Overlay Planes on Indigo XS
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:03:59 GMT

Greetings.

We are attempting to configure an Indigo XS with four overlay
planes.  Is it possible to this without impacting the window
manager or other functionality?

Thanks for any help...
Richard Moxley
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