From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Isaiah does not prophesy Christ, was A Sharp Contrast to the Song of Solomon
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:06:25 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <fWFaqVV@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>In article <BzBDqF.ADG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
>creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>>   That having been said, as to the Song of Songs "preceding Christ,"
>>so does the book of Isaiah, but it still prophesies about Christ,
>>especially around chapter 53.  So what's your point?
>
>Only when poorly translated does Isaiah prophesy Christ.

Are you referring to all of Isaiah?

Or do you mean the verse that says something to the effect of "for unto
you a child is born and the government shall be upon his shoulders
and he shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting
Father, Prince of Peace and his kingdom will see no end" - is this
the verse you are referring to?

Oh, It seems that I keep missing your (PH's) explanation.  Why is it 
that this JPS translation is superior to say the NASB or NIV or even
the KJV?  

It seems that you believe/know that these translators of the JPS
have mastered both Hebrew and English, but yet no one else seems
to be able to do that.  

I've got another question, for I seemed to have missed your
statements on this topic, too.  What writtings do you consider
to be Scripture?  Is it the OT only?  Help me out here.  Are you
Jewish?

Also, you seem to be able to pick out a few key words within Isaiah 53
and so explain away the whole passage - do you really think the
rest of it has nothing to do with Jesus, who is Christ the Lord.

    Isaiah 53 (NIV)   Who has believed our message and to whom has 
    the arm of the LORD been revealed? {2} He grew up before him 
    like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had 
    no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his 
    appearance that we should desire him. {3} He was despised and 
    rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. 
    Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we 
    esteemed him not. {4} Surely he took up our infirmities and 
    carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, 
    smitten by him, and afflicted. {5} But he was pierced for our 
    transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the 
    punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds 
    we are healed. {6} We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of 
    us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the 
    iniquity of us all. {7} He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he 
    did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, 
    and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open 
    his mouth. {8} By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And 
    who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the 
    land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was 
    stricken. {9} He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with 
    the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was 
    any deceit in his mouth. {10} Yet it was the Lord's will to 
    crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his 
    life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his 
    days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 
    {11} After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of 
    life and be satisfied ; by his knowledge my righteous servant 
    will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 
    {12} Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he 
    will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out 
    his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. 
    For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the 
    transgressors. 

For Christ and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts
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