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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:31:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Artificial ignorance

        Harold Brochmann asked about the launching of "star wars" satellites.
I did read an AP story to the effect that a detection satellite has in fact been
launched over the weekend.  According to the story, the mission of this
satellite is rather to detect the launches of short-to-medium-range missiles.
In view of the spread of missile technology and the use of scuds in the Gulf
War, and in view of the stories of the deployment of Scuds by Serbia that also
came over the wires this last weekend, I think such programs are prudent.  Now
the brilliant pebbles program and the xray lasers and such I think are more
than slightly cracked.  In any case, it is expected that the Clinton Adminis-
tration will eliminate such insanity.

                                                Chris Morrison
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:10:00 EDT
From:         DLUFFMAN@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Artificial ignorance

I think that AI is a very good idea that will allow us (humans) to
do more constructive and creative activities, than to concentrate on
things that are not as important. I am currently involved in the
development of AI activities at XEROX and find it a very interesting
area to explore. We sometimes have to let the computer do those
activties that are done over and over the same way, this then allows
us to do other things that requires our immediate attention. For
example, if electronic mail, or the ability to communicate via a comptuer
was restricted or considered not feasible, then we would not be having
this converstion.
s
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:42:46 EST
From:         JFCOVALE@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: What are the claims of AI

Woody-

Thanks for the helpful comments.  I am afraid that I would need to learn a lot
more than I know now about AI in order to be considered ignorant.  Question:
on your reading of the goals of AI, is the difference between AI and Human
Intelligence (HI?) qualitative or quantitative?  And thank you for the distinc-
tion between AI and Artificail Sentience.  That seems a right and useful
distinction.


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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:55:01 -0900
From:         Sea Dog <JSDRL1@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Artificial ignorance

You bring up a very good point there, Hal.  I've known quite a few people who
had "artificial intelligence" and the smarter they *thought* they were
the dumber they *actually* seemed to be!
The present governor of Alaska, Walter Hickel, is one of those kinds of
people.  Never graduated from high school but made a lot of money on
natural resource development and when he is criticized for poor public policy
says:  "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
Perfect example of "artificial" intelligence, wouldn't you say?
DONN
JSDRL1@ALASKA
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Subject:      AI and God

        It all boils down to those of us who believe in determinism and
those of us who do not.  If we believe, as I do, that men are no more
than carbon-based machines, albeit mightily complex, then the issue of
AI is a simple one.  We are simply redefining and expanding our former
definition of life.
        If we believe, as Woody does, that there is some sort of dual
existence (ie, Cartesian Dualism) then AI can NEVER approach human
standards and it is naught but a futile exercise.  It seems silly, to me,
that one could believe in God and not determinism... we've heard this
one before: God=omniscient, God made you, God knows what will happen,
God has predetermined your actions, therefore you are not possessed of
free will and therefore a machine.  The only out for this arg. is for
the proponent of God & Det. to proclaim that God can have his cake and
eat it, too.  He made you and then he made you free.  Paradox.
        So, since it comes to a philosophical belief on the nature of AI,
I will place myself on the side that says "Equal rights for PC's"
;)

---Ben
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:59:24 EST
From:         JFCOVALE@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Computers at elementary levels

Dr. Seltzer-

Though sharing your concern about the scope and intent of the AI project, I
must also point to acertain circularity on your recent posting.  You offer
as evidence that humans are not animals the notions of self-awareness and
ethical concerns.  Of course the statement that no animal has ethics is true
if and only if it is already a matter of agreement that humans are not
animals.  You support your original proposition by offering claims are only
true if the original proposition is itself true.  And though I would need to
learn a great deal more about the subject in order to be considered ignorant,
it is my understanding that work with primates and some marine mammals
suggests a self awareness and perhaps even ethics.  I am personally undisturbed
by the proposition that the human species is a member of the animal kingdom;
that does not demean me.  Of greater interest is a different question: what
sort of animals are we (in general), and what sort of a human am I (in partic-
ular).   The fact that I will fall down if I fall asleep seems no more
instructive on the nature of human consciousness than the fact that robins
will fall out of the sky if they fall asleep while airborne.  While true, it
seems besides the point.

Can you explain in what manner a keyboard and screen, as experienced in the
form of a word processor, where the machine language has been made utterly
transparent, is more "abstract" than a blank sheet of paper?


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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:43:14 EST
From:         JFCOVALE@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Computers at elementary levels

=========================================================================
Valdemar:

Children make meaning and react to the world from the moment of birth; before
actually.  On what basis do you make the claim that they are borm without
mental ability?  Certainly, the constuctivists would at least dispute that
claim.

And if I read you correctly, you equate "using" computers" with programming
computers.  But the whole point of much software these days is to make the
rigidity of the machine more responsive to the flexibility of the human.
Certainly applications like Bank Street Writer can be seen to provide children
woith a greater power to flexibly express themselves.  Do your arguments apply
to such uses of the computer as well.

And as a personal observation, my experience as a teacher at levels of public
education from kindergarten to high school seniors, the Waldorf Philosophy
seriously unbderestimates the abilities of young children.  (I base that
observation on your posting, not having read other works justifying such an
apprach to kids.


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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:41:11 -0800
From:         brochman@SFU.CA
Subject:      Re: Artificial ignorance

Joe Kreitzer paraphrases:
>Why not let computers
>replace our dumb thoughts instead of trying to make them as smart as
>us.  That should 'free' us up to concentrate on smart things, and the
>need to create an 'artificial intelligence' would go away."
>
I suspect we need to practice thought on dumb things; otherwise we'll think
dumb about smart things.

Speaking of dumb things; is it true that deployment 'Star Wars' satellites
has actually started? This, as I recall, is the 'smart' system that is
intended to eliminate the need for humans to participate in the Final
Decision.
Harold Brochmann
brochman@sfu.ca
Teacher, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:41:00 CST
From:         joe kreitzer <JLKREITZER@STTHOMAS.EDU>
Subject:      Artificial ignorance

After plowing through Woody's reflections about AI (artificial
intelligence) I recalled an article extolling the virtues of
artificial ignorance, published in the _Journal of Irreproducible
Results_.  (Madison, WI, of course... :-)

If anyone is interested, I'll try to find my (spontaneous) copy which
has been filed away.

The argument went something like this:  "We think smart things and
dumb things, e.g. ignoring warning signs.  Why not let computers
replace our dumb thoughts instead of trying to make them as smart as
us.  That should 'free' us up to concentrate on smart things, and the
need to create an 'artificial intelligence' would go away."

The article is much more elegant than my paraphrased summary.

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:43:29 -0900
From:         Sea Dog <JSDRL1@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Computers at elementary levels

I find this discussion quite interesting because I have experienced the
computer age in its various forms since I was a small child.  In the
early 1950's my father was a telephone installer in Albuquerque, N.M. and
one of the places where he put in phones was called "Teaching Machines, Inc."
That company was experimenting with a form of teaching technique which I now
know was the "Skinner Box" (or something like it).
This teaching "machine" had a window that presented a question, or a problem
to be solved, and had an opening to put an answer.  When the student pulled a
lever, the window revealed the answer to the last question and asked a new
question to be answered.
Today computers have taken this approach to learning to a new height, and I
am glad that I gained the early opportunity to experience the joy of learning
through a simple process beyond classrooms and teachers.  Now kids who are
unable to learn in traditional forums are often able to be placed in front of
a computer which works in a manner similar to what I experienced with the
noteable additional component of "branching"; a programed response to each
answer, capable of analyzing the response and presenting new material to
reinforce learning or present related information which contributes to the
learner's total understanding.
I'm not so sophisticated about whether people are animals or not, and I don't
spend a lot of time worrying about what I might have missed by being the
product of a "disfunctional" family, but the ability to compete and continue
to learn and survive have been important to my own personal development
since the day in 1960 when my dad said we were moving to Alaska!
I have earned my bachelor's degree and master's degree in education here in
Alaska, understand B.F. Skinner's theories about behavior pretty well, and
feel very fortunate that somehow I was lucky enough to become excited about
learning at an early age because I was exposed to something that worked for
me.  Neither my younger brother or sister ever made it to a high school diploma!
DONN
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:18:30 -0500
From:         vwsetzer@IME.USP.BR
Subject: Re: AI and God
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Ben writes ( Sun, 22 Nov 1992)

> It all boils down to those of us who believe in determinism and
>those of us who do not.  If we believe, as I do, that men are no more
>than carbon-based machines, albeit mightily complex, then the issue of
>AI is a simple one.  We are simply redefining and expanding our former
>definition of life.

"Nature is an artist, not a scientist", R.Steiner (around 1920?)

Valdemar W. Setzer
Dept. of Computer Science
University of Sao Paulo
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From:         Jean-Marie de Montarby <JMM@FRESTP11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: [Zhan Xiaoyong]
              20 Nov 1992 17:56:54 -0600 from <holland@MATT.KSU.KSU.EDU>

It is possible to act differently. Just define through SMIT rmt0.1 as
a no rewind streamer device. Then you'll have something like
that:

tar cvf /dev/rmt0.1 <first bunch of files>
tar cvf /dev/rmt0.1 <2nd bunch of files>
.....
tar cvf /dev/rmt0  <nth bunch of files> (dumps files and rewinds)

In order only to restore the seond bunch of files do:
tar tvf /dev/rmt0.1
tar xvf /dev/rmt0.4 (restores files and rewinds)

J.M.M. (JMM@FRESTP11.BITNET)
Ecole Speciale des Travaux Publics (1891-1991)
Depuis cent ans, nous construisons le lendemain des autres.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:05:23 +0000
From:         Mari Paz Alvarez <alvarez@LILITH.UAB.ES>
Subject:      lock manager

        I have an RS/6000 320 which is nfs client of a decstation 3000/100.
Since there's no more disk space in the rs/6000 some users have their
home directories nfs mounted from ultrix.

Everithing worked fine for the last three weeks until today that i got
on the rs/6000 console the following message

fcntl: local lock-manager not registered
*****warning process issues request 20063b00 (proc=4) before obtainig
response for 20063900*******

this message is generated each time one of such users logins in
i've checked both server and client lockd and statd daemon and both are
running ( i dont know another
way of testing them), i've also stop lockd and statd  as infoexplorer
suggests, i.e stopsrc -s them
and removim /etc/sm /etc/sm.bk directories and /etc/state file, and
then startsrc -s both daemons again.

Finally i've clear all tcpip and started again with rc.clean and rc.net
and rc.tcpip.
But message continues
Users can work but i'd like to know the meaning and importance of this warning.
i would apreciate very much any help you can give me.
Thanks a lot PAZ
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:41:44 +0100
From:         favre eric <favre@MEDSUN.UNIGE.CH>
Subject:      Re: [Zhan Xiaoyong]

> I wrok on IBM Risc station 6000/AIX. When I add a file from disk to tape,
> I use tar rv filename_in_disk. However, I get the following message,
> tar: 0551-196 Cannot use the -r and -u flags for a streaming tape drive.
> My tape driver is IBM 7207-001. Any way to add a file to tape? Thanks.

Nope. 1/4" tape can be accessed only in a raw mode, that is you have
to begin to read or write from the beginning of the tape. Each time
you create a tar file on the tape, you "erase" your old files from the tape
(all this stuff is explain in the tar man page).
Another way consists to use, for example, floppies or DAT (if you have
such device) for your backup.

> Zhan Xiaoyong
> Univ. Padova
> Italy

                        Eric Favre, University of Geneva
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:05:10 WET
From:         Dov Grobgeld <dov@MENORA.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Simultaneous users on single workstation

We are in the process of doing a major upgrade of our computer
systems in the chemical Physics department. One of the questions
that have been raised is how many users can comfortably(!) work
interactive on a) 320h b) 550 workstation. We will not allow any
backround calculations. Is there any general rule deriving such a
number based on Mflops/MIPS and MByte RAM?

In general, what is giving a more comfortable working environment
for a group of eight people doing interactive work? Two
workstations with 13 MFlops (320h-like) with four users or one
workstation with twice the capacity (550-like) with eight users?
Note, that behind the workstations, we will have a very strong
server, on which the users should run all their CPU consuming
jobs. The workstations will be used only for
editing/compilation/windowing management etc.

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Date: 18 Nov 92 19:04:32 GMT
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query aix-l
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:28:57 -0600
From:         Dennis Putnam <dap@ASNSVR.ASN.NET>
Subject:      Re: How do you configure an FDDI adapter

>From: Mike Ellwood <MWE@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>
>Subject:      How do you configure an FDDI adapter
>X-To:         AIX-L@PUCC.BITNET, COMP.UNIX.AIX@CC.YSU.EDU
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>Status: R
>
>How does one get AIX to recognise an FDDI adapter card once installed?
>
>This is 3.2.2 running on a 550H. We have installed the code that came
>on the floppy with the card (FDDI Network Adapter Microcode V1.01).
>
>There seems to be no way of doing it in SMIT. "Configure devices added
>after IPL" or cfgmgr do not help.
>
>I assume mkdev might do it, if one knew all the parameters, but I can't
>find out what they are.  The only documentation that came with the card
>was an updated version of the Common  Service Guide, which only talks
>about the hardware, as far as I can see.
>
>Any ideas anyone?   Many thanks in advance.
>(Cross-posted between AIX-L@PUCC and COMP.UNIX.AIX@EDU.YSU.CC).
>
We have a dual attached FDDI interface (2 cards). When the microcode was
loaded from floppy and the system rebooted the FDDI showed up. If your
configuration manager could not find the FDDI on reboot then I suggest you
check the microcode install procedure. One word about the dual attach FDDI,
the mother board will show up as 'available' but the daughter board will only
show up as 'defined' and this is normal.


Dennis Putnam				Alabama Supercomputer Network
Service Manager				dap@asnsvr.asn.net
Boeing Computer Services		(205) 971-7429
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From:         Jacek Chmielniak <chmiel@ALPHA.TELEMED.ARIADNE-T.GR>
Subject:      SLIP and routing

Hi netters,

i am trying to make the following configuration:
RS/6000 has 2 modems, and several hosts will call it and run SLIP.
remote hosts will always call the same number and PBX will distribute
calls to one of those modems, so calling host doesn't know to
which port it is going to be connected.
What can I do about the routing. I want all remote hots to have their
IP assigned once and stable. I see right now solution like:
1. run routed on RS in passive mode, after connection is established
   remote should send from time to time routing info.
2. forget about two modems and use only one, and add static routes
   to all remote IP via one SLIP on RS. this can work because always
   remote will initiate connection.

Any ideas how to handle it are welcome. Please send it to me,
I will sumarize to net.

Jacek Chmielniak
chmiel@alpha.telemed.ariadne-t.gr
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:20:12 EDT
From:         Andre Potengy <potengy@VISGRAF.IMPA.BR>
Subject:      Multimedia

Thanks to those who told me about cdplayer software on the AIX.

Now here is another related question.

Is there anybody working on multimedia systems for RS6000 ?
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:45:30 PST
From:         "Daniel S. Keller" <ska!dsk@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      cut-and-paste from InfoExplorer

Have you noticed that you can't paste into another window any text
selected (by highlighting with the mouse) from InfoExplorer?

Is this a bug or a feature?

Regards,
Dan Keller

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