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From: pjolicoe@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Drysuit recommendations?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:15:53 GMT

In article <9980022@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> liggett@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Bob Liggett) writes:
>Anything from Ronney falls apart very soon!! Also the Ronney is cut wrong,
>short from croch to shoulder, and skinny in the arms. 
>I like my Gul alot, I have friends that say O'Neil is the best.  I think Body Glove
>is quite good also.

I have an O'Neil that I like.  However, the zipper is NOT one of the best
and it lets more water in than it should.  I like the zipper in front
(over chest) rather than in the back (its easier to zig and unzip without
help.
PJ
From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Waterproof Camera Bag/Caseing ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Aug21.175929.8460@swift.cs.tcd.ie> cpmcgann@swift.cs.tcd.ie writes:
>Does anyone know of the availability of waterproofing equipment for an
>SLR camera. I want to take windsurfing photos from the water. I know
>such items either in the form of a plastic bag or casing exist, but
>who makes them and at what cost.
>
>My camera is a Canon EOS with 80-200mm zoom lense. A description of any
>suitable device as regards price, durability, depth, availablity, 
>( US manufacturers included as I will be in New York next week ).
>

Any large NY camera shop should have several options.  The auto-zoom may
give you some difficulty, but not insurmountable.

One thing I've considered, but haven't tried yet:  one of those Kodak
disposable cameras.  I forget which model it is, but one of them is
advertised as waterproof to 20'.  That way, if you drop the thing, you're
only out $20, instead of $300+.

--
 +-----+ Trevor Hall                       :-)		Humor
 |    #| Database Engineer                 :-]  	Sarcasm
 |     | Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.    :-+*(*&^ 	Muscle spasm
 +-----+ thall@sequent.com
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:59:11 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <92226.093249SHIN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> SHIN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Question to the Net...
>I'm a beginning windsurfer with a 12' beginner's board.  I've
>become pretty comfortable with it and am looking for my next
>board purchase to learn more advanced skills, such as waterstarts,
>high wind proficiency, etc.  Some friends have suggested boards
>as short as 9'4", and as long as 10'6" (usually *their* old boards ;-)
>

A friend of mine started this year on a 9'8" board and quickly moved to
9' and less. He is waterstarting and sails on the ocean but can not jibe yet.
He is 48 years old and started in May.

I'd say that if you are using a harness, you should go short, especially if
you want to sail 3rd Ave and Coyote.

A real cheap way to get into it would be to buy my old Seatrend 9'1" slalom
board. It's not as fast or light as a new $1000 board, but you'll save
megabucks and can figure out what you really want when you can tell the difference.

If you are not using a harness yet, I'd say either get a transition board (more
bucks), or wait.

My bottom line advice is that if your goal is sailing short boards in high wind
conditions, then get a short board and start sailing at 'safe' high wind locations
such as San Luis Reservoir or Coyote Pt (don't go too far out).

Jim Munro

Seatrend for sale  $250 ONO

408-473-2497
From: cpmcgann@swift.cs.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Waterproof Camera Bag/Caseing ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:59:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin



Does anyone know of the availability of waterproofing equipment for an
SLR camera. I want to take windsurfing photos from the water. I know
such items either in the form of a plastic bag or casing exist, but
who makes them and at what cost.

My camera is a Canon EOS with 80-200mm zoom lense. A description of any
suitable device as regards price, durability, depth, availablity, 
( US manufacturers included as I will be in New York next week ).

Thanks for any advice.



Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:12:54 PDT

In article <l8l2uvINNpk5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, on 13 Aug 1992 16:20:47 GMT,
srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:

>
>  ...Stuff Deleted...
>As for what to do while windsurfing, be sure to hold your wrist
>as straight as possible while holding the boom.  If you're like me
>and still using the uphaul, be careful to not bend your wrist when
>climbing back up onto the board after falling in.  Anything that
>resembles a pushup will increase any wrist problems you might have.
>
>I would like to hear from other windsurfers who are also heavy computer
>users who have had wrist problems.  I've been unable to determine if
>windsurfing contributed to my problems or not.
>

One more thing you want to watch for/prevent is don't wear a tight
watch of wetsuit that really binds at the wrists. Anything that
squeezes/constricts the tube that the nerves run thru at the wrist
will cause problems.

>---
>
>Scott R. Nelson                 srnelson@eng.sun.com
>Sun Microsystems
>
>F2 Comet (10'6"), O'Brien Competitor (12'), O'Brien World Cup (12')
>7 assorted used sails, 4.4 to 6.3
  ^^^
    
 Whats this, a list of stuff for sale?
From: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:12:20 GMT
Reply-To: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <4310478@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> short@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Nancy Short) writes:
>   i would go for the short board option. get something around 9'8" and
>floaty and resign yourself to spending some time paying your learning
>to waterstart dues. forget the daggerboard. you can still uphaul if you
>really need to, but once you learn to waterstart you will be much happier
>with this than a transition board. and if learning to waterstart is your
>next objective.......

I had a Tiga 280 (9'2") and a F2 strato (t-board) when I was learning to
sail. I used to switch back and forth as I tried to learn waterstarting
and jibing. Any progress I made seemed to come on the Tiga. Sailing a
long board in the chop of San Franciso Bay was a fairly miserable 
experience. The Tiga was easier to sail on a reach, easier to start,
and easier to jibe, and alot less effort to deal with when "swimming".

People start with big boards because they are very stable (in light
wind... try 11' in big chop!), however, the big stumbling block in 
learning to sail is reguarding the board as the point of balance; 
it's not, it's the center of effort in the sail, and a short board 
will get you out of this bad habit and "teach you" correct dynamics
immediately.
From: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Water Quality on the Columbia
Keywords: water quality clatskanie dioxin pulp pollution garbanzo beans
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:37:50 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Greetings, fellow Board-Net-Heads,

   In a previous post, someone mentioned there is a high level of pollution,
and specifically dioxin from the pulp mills, in the Clatskanie/Cathlamet
area.  Anybody know what the levels are and how dangerous it is to 
sailors?

   One of my sailing buddies recalled hearing Bart make an offhand remark
about "if you were at the water quality meeting last night, you'd know
why I don't give the forecast at Clatskanie." [Not a *direct* quote.]
Anybody know about that meeting?

-- 
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|    Steve McCarthy                Internet: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com  |
|   Opinions expressed are my own and not official Boeing Company opinions.|
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:13:35 GMT

In article <l8l2uvINNpk5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:
>I would like to hear from other windsurfers who are also heavy computer
>users who have had wrist problems.  I've been unable to determine if
>windsurfing contributed to my problems or not.

I have had my share of wrist pains and the symptoms sound like what you
described as tendinitis.

In my case, sauna has relieved the pains every time. A good sauna evening
will keep the pain out for at least a few weeks. The pain started in January,
so I don't think that it has much to do with windsurfing. I have felt it a
few times when windsurfing, but it's never as bad as when lifting heavy
objects.

Replacing my Mac II keyboard with a PowerBook and keeping the PB on my lap
has also helped reduce the problems. I think the key problem was the mouse
and my chair.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Subject: Re: Moving Equipment
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:27:49 GMT


>I've taken my stuff on planes. Your best bet is to get a board travel bag.
>These have thick foam walls and aren't cheap -- expect to pay in the $300
>range. 


	You can also buy a less expensive bag with 1/2 inch protective
foam (I got mine new for $70) and heavily bubble wrap your board
before putting it in the bag, with extra bubble wrap at the
extremities. If you plan to do a camping trip, an even better solution
is to use your sleeping bag instead of bubble wrap (you will still
need extra wrap for the extremities). I have used that technique for
my last trip to the Gorge and had no problem. Continental charged me
$75 each way for my gear, which is still cheaper than renting. Plus,
you get equipment you are used to and do not have to waste precious
sailing time by going to a rental shop.

For masts, booms, suits, etc.. get a separate quiver bag (around $40).

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Laboratory



Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau)
Subject: ######## Sail For Sale ##########
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:29:10 GMT


Sail for sale:

    Mistral 6.6 m2 race double camber monofilm 1989 model (bought in June 1990)
	used only about 6 times. Excellent condition. Very powerful! 
	$185  (I bought it new for $425)

(I traded in my transition board for a short board so I can no longer use 
this sail.)
    
Call Rob Garneau

H (408) 453-7353
W (408) 944-7763

email: rob@cadence.com
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: What's the best Vehicle?
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:20:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: vmd.1684810FE6.EPLUS17
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <4310479@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
 
>>I also own a toyota tercel wagon. I use this mostly since my wife carries the
>>sea urchins (our two toddlers) in the voyager on a regular basis. The tercel
>>is great also. I removed the front passenger seat. This way I can carry my
>>sail quiver bag and two short boards inside. I also carry all my other gear
>>such as the junk bag with all the small accessories. It works out great for
>>me since I can use the tercel to work and play while the voyager is used
>>for longer trips and family "bringalongs".
>>--
>>Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
>>----------
>I bet you also get great gas mileage compared to the 16 mpg I get with my
>full sized van.  I figure it takes 5 gallons of gas for me to do the
>work-Coyote Pt-home loop which I do (when healthy) 3 times a week.  I
>imagine a Tercel would use about 1/2 that.
>
>Kirk (hoping gas taxes don't go up too high) out
 
I have a Dodge Grand Caravan...about 18" longer than the plain Voyager/Caravan.
Since I occasionally have to haul our two little kids and my wife, I leave the
middle seat in place.  My sails and (two piece) masts slide under the rear seat
..its just long enough from the back of the front seats to the rear end of the
van that even my 10.0 sail and its 16'3" mast fit in.  I have a shelf between
the front and rear seats (so that the kids donstep on the sails) and have a
shelf about 10" off the floor from the back of the read seat back (on which I
put several crates/big tubs of miscellaneous windsurfing gear...and up to about
a dozen bags of groceries if necessary, etc..without crushing the sails.)
 
 The sailboards go on top of the van, or on top of the small sailboat which I
trailer along if the wind threatens to drop below 10.0 conditions.
 
I get about 20 mpg with my boards on top and a couple of mpg better if the
boards are on the trailer.  (We averaged 23 mpg on the recent trip from home
in Illinois to the Jersey shore...all at the posted speed limit with no
problems from the trailer...from where I am posting this; yes, I do take a
computer along on vacations.)
 
Incidentally, my sailboat's cockpit is 8'5" long...just long enough to put all
my salt water soaked windsurfing equipment until I get a chance to rinse it
with fresh water.  No nasty salt water need drip on the car...this works so
well that I will take along the boat whenever I plan to sail in salt water,
even if I don't plan on using the boat. (My only complaint about the trailer
is tolls...some east coast bridges charge a car with a teensy trailer three
to four times as much as a car alone!)
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
From: ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: baltic sea
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:16:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: platypus.doc.ic.ac.uk

In <1992Aug19.210216.2765@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:

>In article <9208191834.AA07725@cs.NYU.EDU> bardet@CS.NYU.EDU (Laurent Bardet) writes:
>>    How confortable are the gloves and hoods ? Can we hear with
>>neoprene hood ?

Many/most hoods have ear holes in the neoprene, usually covered by
just some thin material. It usually feels less windy with a hood on :-)

>You loose an enormous amount of heat through your head. Everyone I know
>wears a hood when it's really cold. Hearing is not a problem. After the
>dry suit, a hood is the most important thing to have in cold weather.

I definitely agree here. I can strongly recommend a hooded neoprene
vest. These work particlarly well with non-dry suits, because they
prevent a lot of water getting down the neck and in through the zip.
They are less relevant with a dry suit, but are probably still useful
because they give you an extra couple of mil's insulation on the body.

This may not be relevant outside the UK, but I can recommend the Sola
"Pod" hooded vest which looks/fits better than the Gul version. If you
just want a hood, Marlin make a very nice one - again, I don't know if
these are sold outside the UK.

>>How slippy are the hands on the wishbone with gloves ?

>A lot of sailors here do not like gloves, so they don't use them.

No, I've not found any that I can use either.

On suits:

>>Have you got prefered brands?

>O'Neill. The O'Asis is the most popular dry suit around here.

This is the first drysuit recommendantion I have seen. Why is the
ONeill suit so popular? In the UK it is about one of the most
expensive you can get. (Around 100 Pounds more than other dry suits, I
think.) Any other dry suit comments/recommendations appreciated. Eg
Are the semi-dry zips that some suits have any good? (It is a very
heavy duty fine-toothed zip that is supposed to be "almost" dry, but a
lot cheaper than a full metal dry zip.)

Warm Sailing,

Dave.

--
From: brahms@delaware.tdd.sj.nec.com (George Skillman  x2921)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:07:52 GMT
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California

In article <1992Aug12.183954.3515@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
>I'm beginning to notice symptoms of what I think is carpal tunnel syndrome.
>
> - My index and middle fingers on each hand sometimes feel numb and 
>   tingly, especially after a hard day of windusurfing, like I had 
>   yesterday at Coyote Pt. (4 solid hours of 4.8)
>
>Ed Wilson
>

I'm having the exact same problem and have already talked about it with
my physician at Kaiser.  He simply tells me I must give my hands a rest.
I'm supposed to be trying to type with the one hand that is affected less
(my right hand) but I get really impatient.  (I type very fast with two and
going slow on the keyboard drives me nuts.)

As I understand it, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is named after a narrow tube that
contains all the nerves that service that part of the hand.  The tube is
too narrow (chalk another one up for the Deity) and the nerves get pinched
when the bottom of the wrist is pressed on something like a desk.

Other than giving my hand a rest, my doctor advised lowering the keyboard
and/or raising my chair to get my wrist off the desktop.  If all else fails,
there's a surgical procedure that is supposed to help.  I'm not sure of
the details, but it has something to do with removing a strip of skin that
constricts the "Carpal Tunnel" containing the nerves.

I guess this isn't much help.  Let me know if you find out more; I'm not
sure what I'm going to do about this myself.
--
=============================================================
George Skillman (408) 433-2921
brahms@tdd.sj.nec.com
NEC America
From: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:10:42 GMT
Reply-To: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <l8l2uvINNpk5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:
>
>I've always wondered if windsurfing contributed to my wrist problems.
>I first noticed wrist pain about four months after I took up
>windsurfing on a weekly basis (spring of 1991).
>
>Exercises before you start feeling the symptoms, should help
>reduce the chances of having problems.  Avoid unnecessary
>repetitive keyboard use, such as computer games.  I think rogue
>helped cause some of my problems.

After talking with numerous Dr's and Therapists I get the impression
that CTS is not well understood wrt progression, treatment, or avoidance
of the problem.  It's similar to the situation in the early 70's with
running injuries. I would seek alot of opinions in the treatment of any
case. One emerging fact/opinion is that it is not just repetitive motions
that cause the problem, it is also high loads on the joints that contribute.
Worst of all the formation of scar tissue is cummulative; so while you
can deal with pain by rest and ice (which reduces inflamation) for some 
time you eventually build up enough scar tissue to make the problem 
permenent. Surgery can remove some of the scar tissue, and enlarge
the diameter of the opening in the bones, but many people react to
this treatment by forming more scar tissue.

Extrapolating from my experience with plantar fascitis (running) and
rotator cuff injuries (swimmers sholder) you should start with short
sailing sessions and extend them slowly. Muscles become conditioned
faster than ligaments and tendons in case you are lucky (?) enough
just to have tendinitus. Stretching prevents trauma to the tendons
from lack of muscle flexibity and range of motion. I try to limit
myself to sailing 2 hours/day, as anything more causes residual pain.

The most sensible advice (quitting windsurfing, being absurd) I've gotten
is to correct body mechanics while sailing. This means fiddling with your
harness lines until you get that "hands off" sweet spot, sailing with higher
booms, switching hand grip (over and under), etc. Develop a reaching style 
which does not require much grip on the booms.  I've concluded from Mt. 
biking that a grip that avoids using the index and middle finger is 
sufficiently strong and less stressful. Try controlling the boom with 
your shoulders not your arms, so you can minimise wrist motion.

I still have that joy buzzer go off in my hand during the sail flip in
a jibe so I need to work on that. The force of sheeting in during the
initiation and transition of the jibe puts my grip into "crush" mode
so I have been trying to learn the laydown jibe, or head upwind or
carve off chop to reduce the sail pressure.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: 3 states river report
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:19:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Columbia (Ore.,Wash.) - Monday, 8/18 - glassy from Hood River to Umatilla
Boise (Ida.) - Tuesday, 8/19 - good morning wind [5.3/8'9"/150#]
	It's 140+ feet below "full" at Lucky Peak, but still sailable,
	and kinda scenic, really.  Plus, it's below the end of the boatramp
	at Turner Gulch, so there are about no boats in the lake.
_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
From: kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.


>  I had a Tiga 280 (9'2") and a F2 strato (t-board) when I was learning to
>  sail. I used to switch back and forth as I tried to learn waterstarting
>  and jibing. Any progress I made seemed to come on the Tiga. Sailing a
>  long board in the chop of San Franciso Bay was a fairly miserable
>  experience. The Tiga was easier to sail on a reach, easier to start,
>  and easier to jibe, and alot less effort to deal with when "swimming".

I agree, but with some reservations. I learned to waterstart on a longboard
and then switched to a shortboard. I found the shortboard a lot more
unstable when waterstarting (no surprise there). But this was more
than compensated for by the relative ease with which I could manipulate
the shortboard into position for waterstarting. Lining up the longboard
was a real drag.

David