HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: serg@arthur.uchicago.edu (Sergey Reznikov)
Subject: Re: Sovok
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.231437.6437@dxcern.cern.ch> GLL@fnal.fnal.gov
(Gregory Landsberg) writes: 

>The term SOVOK is  really an example of the new  slang which became
>popular about two years ago...

and

>I  strongly  discourage  you of  using  this  term  because it's
>really an invention of perestroika-cooperative ``Novoyaz''...

Without arguing about the merits of the term, I have to point out that
I remember it commonly used in the early seventies in some circles to
describe "Our Soviet Way of Life" and its disgusting features.  So it
may be that you heard it first about two years ago...

Sergey Reznikov
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:3384 soc.culture.soviet:3024 soc.college:1874
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
Subject: Re: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
From: johnbass@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:11:09 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Apr11.224037.39251@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> " Help! I need somebody! Help, not just anybody..."
> 
> To whom might be interested!!!
> 
>  My name is Sergei,I am a student from St.Petersburg.I used to study in 
>  St.Petersburg State University.Now,I am studying in the University of
>  Kansas.Unfortunately, I need to go to Russia after the end of this semester,
>  if I don't find $ 3000 for tuition.I have already found a room to live, 
>  so tuition is the only problem for me now.I am majoring in business/administr.
>  After graduation I am planning to return back to Russia and try to find
>  a job from an American company(in 2.5-3 years).If you can help me,or know
>  any information which can be useful for me,please, send me a message.
>  BTW does anybody know, if it is possible to change my tuition status from
>  out-of-state to in-state ? I need to find this money before the end of May.
>  Thank you,very much if you want to help me.
> 
>  Sincerely yours,
>    Sergei Emdin.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:12:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.224037.39251@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>" Help! I need somebody! Help, not just anybody..."
>
>To whom might be interested!!!
>
> My name is Sergei,I am a student from St.Petersburg.I used to study in 
> St.Petersburg State University.Now,I am studying in the University of
> Kansas.Unfortunately, I need to go to Russia after the end of this semester,
> if I don't find $ 3000 for tuition.I have already found a room to live, 
> so tuition is the only problem for me now.I am majoring in business/administr.
> After graduation I am planning to return back to Russia and try to find
> a job from an American company(in 2.5-3 years).If you can help me,or know
> any information which can be useful for me,please, send me a message.

        Sure.  Get a job, sovok!

-- 
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Disclaimer: all opinions are mine.
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From: C09800MK@wuvmd.bitnet (Mikhailina Karina)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Sovok
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:34:52 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Having lived in the States for nearly 13 years, my Russian slang has become
quite outdated. I thought that SOVOK was a slang term for xUSSR. Now you say
that it refers to former Soviet citizens and that it's deragatory. I still
don't understand what it has to do with a scoop, although I certainly see
how xUSSR is connected to the concept of trash. Please explain why the term
is offensive.
Mikhailina
From: ccetinka@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Cetin Cetinkaya)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Over 600 Azeri Soldiers Out of 2,000 Die in Attack on Armenians
Keywords: Nagorno-Karabakh
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:24:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr7.222424.8679
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign



dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian) writes:

Subject: UOver 600 Azeri Soldiers Out of 2,000 Die in Attack on ArmeniansV

>According to local sources, on Saturday, March 28, 1992, a force of about 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>2,000 Azerbaijani soldiers attacked Stepanakert, the capital of Artsakh
>(Nagorno-Karabakh). The attack was accompanied by armored vehicles, tanks,
>and supported by GRAD multiple rocket launchers. Hundreds of Armenians were 
>injured, and many killed.

You have been refusing any news from the Turkish media for a long time. And now
you come to expect us to believe your "local sources", David? They forget to add
that killed people were mostly civilians. Maybe these local sources need more
training.

>The Armenians counter-attacked, by taking out the sources of the GRAD
>launchers in Shushi, Janhassan, Kosalar, and Ghaybali, in addition to local
>battles. In the end it was reported that out of 2,000 Azeri soldiers -- 631 
>soldiers were killed -- the ages of which were mainly in their twenties. 
>Armenians soldiers reported 12 dead and 31 wounded. 

Yeah right! Just like the Operation Desert Storm... I think that this American
dream is becoming a universal concept among "news sources". 

>Armenians reported that the heavy Azeri losses were due in part to the
>inexperience of the Azeris units in addition to Azeri units firing on one
>another.

No, no, let us face the fact:
these Armenian soldiers are real heros, just like American Rambo! Hey
why do you guys not attack Turkiye, it is about the time? When you have this 
sort of "local sources", you do not have to fight to win.



>David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't 
>P.O. Box 2761                        |  even explain 1915?" 
>Cambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992  

                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   


Please write this in  Turkish, then let us talk about it. Moreover, your
posting explains why Turkiye has to have "millions of soldiers" on the border,
see they will kill each other anyway.
From: VIZNYUK@ohstpy.bitnet
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: New ISO codes
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MPS.BB54762240200657
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Today I got a letter from Russia which beared fourteen 35-kopeks
stamps of 1984-year issue. So the "good old" USSR stamps are
still working well. Even more than well ! - half of those
35-kopeks stamps were not stamped over, so I'll unglue them
and send back to Russia and thus fuck up my homeland on
2 roubles. Soon I'll be a millionaire...
Serega
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Crimea
From: percus@scws9.harvard.edu (Allon Percus)
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:35:53 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9204152247.AA25741@cwns16.INS.CWRU.Edu> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>Here are the result of recent poll conducted in Crimea
>("Novoe Russkoe Slovo", Apr.9,1992):
>
>more than 59% people are for Crimea joining Russia,
>31% are for independent Crimea republic,
>6% are for Crimea joining Ukraine.

Who conducted this poll, I wonder?

Probably some flaming Ukrainian nationalist trying to discredit Russians
by producing polls which are so obviously bogus.


Allon Percus
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
From: yuksel@athena.mit.edu (Yuksel PARLATAN)
Subject: Re: The Kurdish Autonimous Region
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:19:10 GMT

In article <ku2h6kINNg86@phakt.usc.edu>, madjdsad@phakt.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> In soc.culture.turkish KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Kadir AYDIN) writes:
|> 
|> >Zagros Madja-Sadjani writes;
|> 
|> >>The Kurdish Population is 26,000,000+
|> 
|> >>Kurds/Turkey: 12,000,000+
|> 
|> >Totally wrong. Can you give me referances for this number? Acording to
|> >PCGLOBE INC, 1991, USA, the Kurdish population in Turkiye is 11%. The
|> >population of Turkiye is 57,000,000 and according to this source the
|> >number of Kurds in Turkiye is 6,270,000. It is half of your number.
|> 
|> >Regards,
|> 
|> >Kadir AYDIN
|> >University of Liverpool,
|> >ENGLAND/UK
|> 
|> Dear Sir, don't say I am totally wrong unless you read a number of sources.
|> Here are some more for you to chew your brains out on:
|> 

[Some estimates of Kurdish population in TR by western sources are deleted]

|> 
|> Now if we throw in the 1 to 2 MILLION Kurds who have fled across the border
|> to Turkey from Iraq in the last two years, plus figure in a minor rise in
|> population we will come to the following figures : 9.2 - 13.8 million Kurds.

    Well, first of all this 1 to 2 million is inflated, just as your estimates.
    This number is somewhere about 600,000. However, a large majority of them
    have already returned to Iraq with their own will about a year ago. Have you
    ever heard of 'safe haven = north of 36th parallel' which have been partly
    defended by TR. Or do the news come late to CA.?

    The above paragraph of yours show that you are either an ignorant, or a liar.
    
|> 
|> Now show me eight more sources to back up YOUR claims.
|> 
|> "The Kurds have no friends."

    TR's Kurds have 50M Turkish friends in TR.

|> 
|> Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi
|> Azadi Kurdistan
|> 
|> 
|> 

   
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: New Prices in Belarus'?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:47:09 GMT

Has anyone heard anything about another round of prices increases in
Belarus'?

I heard mention of such a thing, but no details (how much, when, etc.)

Sharon 
-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
From: chiapell@BBN.COM
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Vizniuk vs. Russkaja Mysl'
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA

In article <9204121755.AA23383@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> you write:
>
>I recommend that you watch less TV and read more newspapers. Try books too.
>
>Alex

BOOKS!? VIZNYUK!?

Oh, leave the poor guy alone. He's having enough trouble just trying to write,
much less read.

Chris
From: lebedev@dxl303.cern.ch (Alexei A. Lebedev)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Sovok
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:26:31 GMT
Reply-To: lebedev@dxl303.cern.ch (Alexei A. Lebedev)
Organization: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva


>>  Exept of "dust-pan or scoop" and exept of xSoviet Union SOVOK or
>>in russian COBOK means a former sitizen of the former Soviet Union.
>>  I'd never advise an american to call russians COBOK. The same situation
>>is when a black man call a black man NEGRO it's treated like joke,but
>>when a white man call a black man NEGRO it's considered as offense.

  I myself use to call the xSU people SOVOK (pl. SOVKI) if they share the
xCommy mentality.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:3423 soc.culture.soviet:3070 soc.college:1931
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
Subject: Re: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:02:14 GMT
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Alex Goykhman writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.224037.39251@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans\.edu writes:
>>
>>" Help! I need somebody! Help, not just anybody..."
>>
>>To whom might be interested!!!
>>
>> My name is Sergei,I am a student from St.Petersburg.I used to study in
>> St.Petersburg State University.Now,I am studying in the University of
>> Kansas.Unfortunately, I need to go to Russia after the end of this semester,
>> if I don't find $ 3000 for tuition.I have already found a room to live,
>> so tuition is the only problem for me now.I am majoring in business/administr\
.
>> After graduation I am planning to return back to Russia and try to find
>> a job from an American company(in 2.5-3 years).If you can help me,or know
>> any information which can be useful for me,please, send me a message.
>
>        Sure.  Get a job, sovok!

And what if his residency permit doesn't include permission to work?

Break the law?

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:3395 soc.culture.soviet:3031
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: newsgroup control, was: Re: A SOLUTION .....
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:08:02 GMT

Perhaps a small technical point, but still one in need of correction,

In article <1231@schoenfinkel.cs.uwindsor.ca> tkacz@CS.UWindsor.Ca (Peter Theodosius Tkacz) writes:
>     Besides, if a person decides to post a posting that is 10 K long, and
>posts that posting to five different groups, then that postings eats up 
>50 K of valuable disk space on every server.  	[...]

The C-News mechanism links crossposted articles, so one 10K article
crossposted to 20 newsgroups still lives on only a single 10K worth
of data blocks.  I vaguely recall that the old BNews did the same.

>	[from a quoted article]
>		All people who are interested in a particular group
>	such as this one would subscribe to a server located some where
> 	on INTERNET.  All postings would then be sent to this server.  If the 
>	posters name corresponds to a name on the list of subcribers,
>	then that article would be redistributed, as a regular posting.
>        Any one would or could be allowed to post as normal.  

He's talking about a mailing list (do-able, and perhaps already done),
but that's not the same as a newsgroup.

>What could also be done, is not have a subscribber list, but only an
>unwanted list.  This way if the majority of the people, were annoyed 
>with a particular user, and a reasons why that peson should be removed from
>that or this news group are valid, then a vote would be called to order,
>and if the decission was passed, then the unwanted list would be updated,
>which would prevent that user from posting to that news group.  Also this
>would only apply to those that do not post articles which have no relevancy 
>to this or any other news group.

Again, you're talking about a mailing list.  The closest to this
that USENET news comes is a moderated newsgroup, where all the
duties you've described fall incumbent upon the moderator.

This brings up the point of whatever happened to my proposal for
a moderated talk,politics.xussr newsgroup.  Simply, there's a
30 day discussion limit on new newsgroup proposals, after which
(if warranted) a vote is to be held.

Unfortunately, a few minor details impinged on my life at just
the wrong time, literally: work, death, and now taxes.  My
apologies to the supporters of my proposal, but unfortunately
I wasn't able to follow through on my intentions of providing
a sane discussion environment.  Perhaps when the waiting period
specified in the "rules" expires, someone else with more time
can pick up the torch and create an appropriate group.  Perhaps
by then a more permanent name will emerge, who knows?  Whoever
might want to persue this, they'll have my wholehearted support
and assistance if they choose to call on it.

In the meantime, sharpen up your KILL files.

		--ed
--
[mail, mail, go away....fill up my filesystem some other day.]
[pick a hat, pick a site.   Notoriously:  edhew@xenitec.on.ca]
From: covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Covdy's obsession with...
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:08:50 GMT

in article <1992Mar31.135952.7219@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, bohdan@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (bohdan.l.bodnar) says:
[...]
# 
# Dear Silly Ivan,
# 
# In Ukrainian, "ostrich" transliterates as "ctryc'."  Try learning Ukrainian
# before amusing me.
# 
# Cordially,
# 
# Dr. Bohdan Bodnar
# AT&T Bell Laboratories
# Naperville, IL 60566

Dear Silly Dokhtur:

Also, you forgot to mention that I was "wrong" not only in case
of ostrich (straus/strus'), but also in case of eggs/testicles:
in Russian it sounds "yaitsa", in Ukrainian "yaitsya", sometimes "yaitsi".

If we look for things that divide (not unite) peoples, then it is a
big difference, isnt' it? (Do you still remember that joke about
"pivo" and "pyvo"?)

-- 
Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, Metaphor Computer System, CA, USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: Re: meaningsovok
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 03:40:15 GMT

In <9204110039.AA20325@pX4.stfx.ca> belaya@PX4.STFX.CA writes:


>As I undestood,here "sovok" has the forth meaning  - the state,ex-USSR.
>This meaning is the invention
>of the networker and emmigreiters.Inside ex-USSR this meaning does
>not use.
>Vic.Levadniy  

Let me object to you. I had heard this word being in exUSSR. All my
former friends in Moscow used to use this word in the meaning of USSR.

Vlad Sukhanovsky.
From: Eric Fenster <efenster@igc.org>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Date: 05 Apr 92 08:03 PDT
Subject: EMU Moscow course:last chance
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483700083:000:703
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!efenster    Apr  5 08:03:00 1992


From: Eric Fenster <efenster>
Subject: EMU Moscow course:last chance

Eastern Michigan University is conducting a study trip to Moscow from 04 June-
04 July.  It is a "fact-finding mission" on the political, economic and social
situation in Russia.

The total cost of $2600  includes travel from Boston-Moscow, room & board, the
course and program in Russia, tuition for 4 credit hours and visa.

All payments are due this week.  If you have the interest, time, funds and a
passport, this is the last chance to join this group and watch history being
made first-hand.

For details, you can reach the course director, Don Pearson, Director of EMU's
Labor Studies Program, at eco_pearson@emunix.emich.edu
From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("A. Allister Shvartsman, EMF, LKG2-2/T2,
              226-5350 09-Apr-1992 2239")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Odojevski's "Our response"
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Re: Sergey K. Asvadurov
Subj:	Re: Revolyutsiya i smert'

> >Those are the words of Alexander Odoevsky, a "Dekabrist", born a prince,
> >sentenced to 12 years of Siberian mines for conspiracy and participation
> >in the December,1825 revolt, from his response to the famous Pushkin's
> >epistle "Vo glubine sibirskikh rud":
>
> A ne Chaadaev chasom? The quoted Pushkin's poem is written to Chaadaev
> (as far as I know.)

"Iz iskry vozgoritsja plamja" is from a poem titled "Our response"
(Nash otvet) and signed by Aleksandr Odojevskii. As far as I remember,
Pushkin's poem was addressed to all Decembrists, and it was sent to
Siberia with the wife of one of the Decembrists.

Alex

PS Not much changed since 1826 wrt Russian Post. It is still more
   reliable to send letters by human carriers :-)
From: viznyuk@PACIFIC.MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sergei Viznyuk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Kravchuk's referendum
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: china.9204052004.AA14695
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

>>S.V.:
>>There were never such country as Ukraine before communists
>>have got a desire to create it. To represent the Skoropadsky
>>and/or Petlura as Ukrainian "goverment" is the same thing as
>>represent Kolchak's, Denikin's, etc "goverments" as goverments
>>of Russia.

>Juris Baidins:
>The above statements are false.
>The Ukrainian government, for which Petlura was defence minister, was
>democratically elected by Ukrainians and as noted in the previous message
>the Communists only got 10% of the votes.  Viznyuk, you are failing to
>acknowledge the seperate existence of three governments: Bolsheviks,
>German and Russian military puppets and the native Ukrainian government.
>
>Juris Baidins
>baidins@cis.udel.edu

   On the contrary, Juris, I'm not only acknoledging the
"seperate existence of three governments: Bolsheviks,
German and Russian military puppets and the native
Ukrainian government", but also a "separate existence"
of a dozen more "goverments" on the territory of current
Ukraine, of whom you probably forgot to mention. I'm only
failing to see your reasons why do you consider only one of
those "goverments" as "native". Makhno's "goverment", which fought
Petlura was no less "native" than Petlura's "goverment". Also
lets ask the "ukrainians" on this list, whether they will recognize
the Petlura's "goverment" which conducted virtual genocide
against minorities and directly responsible for killing
of about 100,000 Jews (as was reported here), as "true"
and "native" Ukrainian goverment ?
   And finally, the existence of any "goverment" even though
"native" doesn't mean the existence of corresponding state.
So I stay for my assertion that Ukraine was (and, especially
now, IS) exclusively the communists's creature.
S.V.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Sovok's black/white list
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:46:26 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu) writes:
>I think the world is used to identify such "democracy" with
>clear-cut facism.

And I think the world is used identify people as you as "scum".

No, it takes a little more make a country fascist. You could say
a lot of the aparteid regime in South Africa, but not fascist.

>Every person born in Sweden gets citizenship automatically,

No, it is not so. It is true for Iraq, which may be a trouble
for you if you happen to give birth to a child while you are
visiting the country.

I don't know what the procedures are for Sweden, but I suppose
that the parents have to apply for the child or he can apply
himself when he comes of age at 18.

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: Mike Tighe <tighe@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: CBS  *LIES*  vs.  Kileen motives
Originator: tighe@convex1.convex.com
Reply-To: tighe@convex.com
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Texas
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:12:19 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.181959.18955@mcs.anl.gov>, shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>|> I also wonder if CBS mentioned that several patrons regularly carried
>|> before the law was changed to make carry illegal and could have
>|> stopped the killing except that they were obeying this stupid law.
>
>I might be mistaken, but concealed carry has been illegal in Texas for
>a long time.
>
>Anyone with a date?

Sometime between 1836 and 1859. The earliest court case involving the
intepretation of the law that I can find was in 1859.
-- 
Mike Tighe, (214) 497-4206
tighe@convex.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns