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From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Coach Airline Seats
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:46:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Daniel A. Murphy (murphy@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:


: As somone who is, uh, a little large, the size of coach airline
: seats is of great concern to me.

: I'm wondering if some airliners or some airlines have better coach
: seats than others.  I'm planning a trip to Europe soon, and I'd like
: to minimize discomfort.

: Also, I'd like to know if seat belt extenders are required equipment or
: even standard.  Last time I was in a coach seat, the seat belt wasn't
: large enough for me, but the flight attendent had an "extender," which
: worked fine.  Anyone know if this is normal?

Yep...I have seen the extender being passed to those who need it before.
Completely normal.

My question is, I heard that this decade that planes (which ones?) have to
be HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.  Does that mean wider aisles?  Bigger bathrooms?
A certain row of seats with more leg room?  Storage compartments on the
floor?  Does anybody know exactly what the law entails?

--Ken
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Want info RT to Guam from VA
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:56:30 GMT

bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson) writes:

>HI! 
>I am thinking of going to Guam for spring break from Virginia. 
>I wonder how much money involve here. It is going to be Round Trip.
>I am trying to keep my budget as tight as possible since I am 
>a college student. Which air line serves most ?  
>My spring break starts March 6 to 14. Any suggestion?

Guam is a long way to go from Virginia for Spring Break... but...

Northwest flies to Guam. You would have to change in Detroit, LA, and
Hawaii...

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: kjd@dixie.com (Keith Davis)
Subject: Book on the unwritten air travel rules?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 05:54:36 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

I am sorry if this is a duplicate posting...

I recently heard about a book that describes the unwritten rules 
surrounding air travel.  For example, how to get upgrades to 1st class,
overbooked travel vouchers, exactly what the ticket agents are authorized
to do and under what circumstances, etc.

Could someone provide me with the title of the book, the author, and 
how to obtain it?

Thanks in advance...


Keith
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From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Subject: I need NORTHWEST upgrade coupons !
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:46:57 GMT

Valid on M class fares transpacific.
Please email by Saturday !

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Pankaj Narayan			Email: narayan_pankaj@tandem.com
Tandem Computers
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is this a "segment"?
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:51:37
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: wmorgan@stsci.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:32:15 GMT


> (United Mileage Plus Premier member had flight to Syracuse from
> Chicago O'Hare.  Due to mechanical problems, United flight was
> cancelled and he was put on an American Airlines flight to Syracuse.
> He hasn't gotten credit for the flight yet.)

This is called an 'involuntary reroute.'  Whenever Northwest has
involuntarily rerouted me to another airline, I've sent the ticket stub
(northwest) and boarding pass (other airline) in and written
'involuntary reroute to United' (or whatever) on the form, and have
been credited with mileage.  Generally, you can also get credit on the
airline you've been rerouted to, though I'm sure this isn't what the
airlines had in mind.

I'm the second one that has posted that Northwest does this; has anyone
had experience in being rerouted from another airline?

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: truncation of stay
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:43:57 GMT

jdt@world.std.com (John D Tais) wrote: 
->In article <1993Jan18.034117.7111@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->>haneins@acf3.nyu.edu (shirley hanein) wrote: 
->>->i was wondering if there was a way to truncate my stay, fly
->>->home early and not have to pay whatever ridiculous fee the
->>->airline charges for such things. 
->
->The ridiculous fee is only $25 on most airlines, $50 on Northwest.  For 
->this, they will either give you a confirmed seat for your return leg if
->space is available, or you can go standby by showing up at the airport on
->your desired day of travel.  Typically you don't have to meet any advance 
->booking requirement either when you're changing only your return leg.

but, of course, there must be seats available in the class of service
required for your discount fare.

->>yes; you can pay a full fare (or another fare which doesn't have
->>change penalties).  the price you pay for bargain-basement fares is
->>scheduling flexibility after the ticket is written.
->
->Hmmm...seems to me they are charging the same penalties for changes to 
->the "full-fare" tickets as they are for the "excursion" tickets.  And
->they wonder why they're losing full-fare passengers?!

many airlines dropped the change fee for full-fare passengers after
this fact was brought to light (do these people not think, or whut?)

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: I saw it!!! (New Ua 747-400)
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:53:16 GMT

rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:


>>One other factor in favor of paint may be found in a comment I read
>>long ago on rec.aviation, namely that aircraft which were going to go
>>unpainted mere manufactured with slightly thicker aluminum in the
>>skins.  I find this a bit hard to believe, and the fact that airlines
>>such as Eastern went from paint to no paint suggests it isn't all that
>>necessary, though I don't have any hard evidence.

>No Airbus aircraft have ever been done in bare-metal.  Even American
>had to paint their A300-600Rs in grey to simulate it.

One thing I did see in fall 1990 was an all white TWA 747 and l1011 (should be
L1011) at JFK.  I was flying on TWA from JFK to CDG (New York to Paris for 
those of you illerate in codes) in a "nrormal 747" with red and write paint.
On both sides of me though, the planes were all white. They had small (for an
aircraft) TWA ensignas on the tail, under the cockpit windows, and on each
wing.  Asside from this, the plane was all whte.  This plane was not being
serviced or anything, it was going to Oslo and Copenhagen.  The L10 was going toMadrid.  It was very interesting.. Anyone have any information.  The only thing
I could think of was that those were two planes TWA was selling r possibly HAD
sold but they were making their finalk flights so they had "temporary" flights.

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: ac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (ac)
Subject: Air Ticket: Indianapolis <--> LAX
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:07:15 GMT


Airplane ticket for sale:

Indy (March 6, 5:15pm) --> LAX (10:25pm)
LAX (March 12, 8:15am) --> Indy (4:55pm)

Asking for $350, o.b.o.

Please reply by e-mail or call @317-497-1346.


Alex Chou
EE, Purdue U.
ac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
shihtsun@ecn.purdue.edu

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From: pete@frosty.Rational.COM (Pete Coe)
Subject: Re: Coach Airline Seats
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:50:32 GMT

rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:

>In article <murphy.727799792@well.sf.ca.us> murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy) writes:

>TWA is advertising that they've taken up to 40 seats out of each of their
>aircraft.  This would at least give you more leg-room, but it won't change
>the width of each seat.

>I'd check with the airline you plan to fly about the seatbelt extenders.

>RNA
Well TWA may have taken out 40 seats from a 747, but they will still have far
more seats than competing airlines.  I flew TWA St. Louis - Gatwick and back in
July, and the return flight was 100% full, which according to the attendant
meant we had something like 440 people on board.  I usually fly British Airways
and the maximum number of seats is 377.  Now that maybe because they have a 
larger business section, but I can assure you that they also have small seats
in the back (and lots of them).


--

-- Pete Coe
-- Rational
-- Object-Oriented Products
From: jluo@pollux.usc.edu (Junhui Luo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: for sale: one way united air ticket Chicago -> Los Angeles
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:37:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

The ticket is for Friday, January 29, 1993
7pm (Central). The plane arrives in LA at about 9pm
(Pacific). I ask for $150. Reply to this account or
contact me at (day)(312)507-6481 (evening)(312)856-1472.
From: verna@solbourne.com (Verna Kalinski)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Denver - LA
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:15:56 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilda.solbourne.com

Searching for cheap air, Denver to LAX or John Wayne, leaving Jan 29, return
Feb 1 or2 -female.
tks.verna.
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From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Recommendation on B.E.T. World Travel San Jose
Originator: ahmedss@gassendi
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:05:00 GMT

Hi netters out-there in the world. I am about to make a 
purchase of two R/T TIX to London (Heathrow) from San Francisco,
through the B.E.T World Travel in San Jose, Ca.
They are charging me $429.00 each plus $18.00 tax.(No wkend travel)
How good is this deal???

Anxious.

Syed Ahmed.
From: mm7a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Millie Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: British Air Question
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:19:15 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Kurt Swanson asks:

>Does British Air have a frequent flyer program, and/or are it's miles
>applicable to any other airline's ff program?

British Airways ff program is called the Executive Club.  It works like
most of the others but has the added benefit of allowing household
accounts, so that family members can pool their miles.
From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: British Air Question
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:43:02 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.zoo2.cs.yale.edu

In article <1993Jan25.144756.9998@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:
>Does British Air have a frequent flyer program, and/or are it's miles
>applicable to any other airline's ff program?
>-- 
>Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
>Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se

Yes, they do. My friend in London told me that BA's program uses a different
system: the number of air miles you have accumulated can be used for
trips of the same *actual* number of miles. (Most of the ff programs in the US
are different.) However, there is a minimum amount that you have to claim.

On the sideline, Virgin Atlantic has started their own freq. flyer program.
(They sent me a form to fill in and sent me a very nice leather passport
holder for free 8-)). (Previously, they were affiliated with Am. West.)

Dicky.

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From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: 767's from BWI to Gatwick??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:36:00 GMT



  On a flight I'll be taking from Baltimore to Gatwick in March, I
found out the service will be on a 767.  I've flown to Europe a few
times on both the old and newer 747 models.  I didn't think a 767
had the range ability to acheive a trip of this distance.

  Does anyone have experiences travelling long distances? If so,
what seats would you suggest (coach) to be the most comfortable.
I should mention that the airline is U.S. Air.  Thanks
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Another Freq. Flyer question.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:59:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.054123.17630@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>jdravk+@cs.cmu.edu (Jeanette Dravk) wrote: 
>->Aren't the vouchers being offered this quarter in the "fly 8 segments get
>->a free RT" deal good for FF credit?
>
>no.  the segments you pay for and fly which qualify you for this bonus
>accrue mileage, but the free flight bonus you get does not accrue
>mileage.

Not quite true.  I noticed one of the airlines where you can take your
bonus in the form of extra FF miles.  I think it was USAir, and I think
the bonus was for 12,000 miles.  I could be wrong.

RNA
From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Want info RT to Guam from VA
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:56:03 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

HI! 
I am thinking of going to Guam for spring break from Virginia. 
I wonder how much money involve here. It is going to be Round Trip.
I am trying to keep my budget as tight as possible since I am 
a college student. Which air line serves most ?  
My spring break starts March 6 to 14. Any suggestion?


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From: altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus)
Subject: Re: Airline Liveries
Keywords: United A320
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: OA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:26:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.065418.10852@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>
>Which leaves Delta.  Every other US Airline is dead.  National, Braniff,
>Ozark, Hughes AirWest (the flying banana), North Central, Southern, PSA,
>Air Cal, Piedmont, Empire, PeopleExpress, Air Florida, Frontier, Midway,
>Pan Am.
>

don't forget Republic, Altair, MuseAir/Transtar, Western, Texas International,
Mohawk, and about three airlines called Northeastern...



regarding United's new colors:
i got hooked on airplanes when i was 5...  i lived in denver and my father
took me to the airport to watch planes.  this was in 1974.  how into planes
did i get?  i'm now a PhD student in aero engineering, specializing in 
airplane design...  so anyway, when we left denver my father took movies of
planes landing and taking off, and the only thing still on that movie that
you can see now is the "new" united colors--there are some of the current
united colors, and some of the blue/red with stars...  now that United is
changing, everything on that movie will be a thing of the past

the rest on that movie:
Ozark, Western, Continental (though similar to the gold-tails they're phasing
out now, the ball on the tail is black instead of red), Texas International,
Braniff, Frontier, and one TWA in the old colors (this was right when they
switched, also)...  note that not only are most of these airlines gone, 
all the ones which no longer exist changed colors before folding or merging
except TI.  (the Ozark markings were very slightly modernized, Western
switched to unpainted fuselage, Braniff switched from two-tone with BI on the
tail to their single-color high-gloss final colors, and Frontier switched
from green to orange/red)


--steve altus


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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Is this a "segment"?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:32:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.020742.15119@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> graiche@hamilton.edu (George Raiche) writes:

(United Mileage Plus Premier member had flight to Syracuse from
Chicago O'Hare.  Due to mechanical problems, United flight was
cancelled and he was put on an American Airlines flight to Syracuse.
He hasn't gotten credit for the flight yet.)

It shouldn'ty be a problem.  If a flier is put on another airline's
flight, he will get the miles/segments that he would have gotten if he
had stayed on the original airline.  I suggest (1) calling United MP
Premier and telling the story.  They *might* be able to credit you
immediately.  If not (2) send *copies* of the ticket receipt and the
boarding pass to the Premier program and explain the story, as well that
you need credit in time to get an award from the fall program.o

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Re: I saw it!!! (New Ua 747-400)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:18:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.155316.22690@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:
>
>
>One thing I did see in fall 1990 was an all white TWA 747 and l1011 (should be
>L1011) at JFK.  I was flying on TWA from JFK to CDG (New York to Paris for 
>those of you illerate in codes) in a "nrormal 747" with red and write paint.
>On both sides of me though, the planes were all white. They had small (for an
>aircraft) TWA ensignas on the tail, under the cockpit windows, and on each
>wing.  Asside from this, the plane was all whte.  This plane was not being
>serviced or anything, it was going to Oslo and Copenhagen.  The L10 was going toMadrid.  It was very interesting.. Anyone have any information.  The only thing
>I could think of was that those were two planes TWA was selling r possibly HAD
>sold but they were making their finalk flights so they had "temporary" flights.
>
>-Noah Cole

During Desert Storm, the USAF required the US flag carriers who
receive subsidies under the Civil Reserve Air Fleet (CRAF) to provide
the airlift capability needed to move the thousands of troops to
Saudia Arabia.  While most of the carriers did not modify their
aircraft paint jobs, TWA decided to paint out anything that readily
identified their aircraft.

Since the CRAF call-up was for specific flights on specific days, TWA
would cancel certain scheduled flights so that they could use the
plane(s) for CRAF missions.  It would appear that TWA sanitized a
number of planes and used the sanitized planes on their scheduled runs
when the USAF didn't need the planes for Desert Storm runs.

I saw a sanitized TWA 747 landing at Honolulu in August, 1990.  After it
touched down, it taxied over to Hickham AFB (Hickham and HNL share the
runways).  The reason it went to Hickham was that there were Marines
from Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station being sent to Saudi and Hickham
was the departure point.  Also, the previous day's TWA HNL-STL flight
was cancelled because the 747 was taken by CRAF.  

Regards,

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
McLean, VA   22102

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From: graiche@hamilton.edu (George Raiche)
Subject: Is this a segment? Yep!
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:06:13 GMT

Many thanks to those of you who responded to my request for info
regarding FF/segment credit for a UA involuntary rerouting.  I called
the Premier desk and, after navigating voicemail to a human, explained
the situation.  I was credited immediately (almost--the agent put me on
hold to check with a supervisor) for both the miles and the segment.
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Coach Airline Seats
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: iecc.9301232244.AA12521
Organization: I.E.C.C.

>As somone who is, uh, a little large, the size of coach airline
>seats is of great concern to me. ... I'm wondering if some airliners or
some airlines have better coach seats than others.

According to Consumer Reports Travel Letter, Sept 1991, most coach seats
are 19 inches wide.  Some were 20 inches (these are the ones you might
find on trans-Atlantic):

Air France (DC10), American (A300, DC10, 767), British Airways (767),
Delta (767), Finnair (DC10), LOT (767), Lufthansa (DC10), SAS (767),
TAP (A310, 767), United (767)

>Also, I'd like to know if seat belt extenders are required equipment or
>even standard.

They're pretty standard, because in most cases they're what they use
for the seat belt demonstration at takeoff.  To be sure, tell them you'll
need one when you reserve.

Two other possibilities: if you're too big to fit in one seat, most airlines
have a special fare for two seats for one person.  Another possibility is
to check out Tower Air which flies between New York and Paris and has a
business class fare in the same ballpark as other airlines' coach.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
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