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From: jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cdromlan
Subject: Re: license agreements
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:51:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <CDROMLAN%92122409490464@IDBSU.BITNET>, ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET (Dan Le
ster) writes:
>   I agree that the lack of a network version is a disappointment.  However,
>the publisher is under absolutely NO obligation to produce a network version,
>now or EVER.  Libraries have absolutely no right to network a non-networked
>version just because they might wish there were one available.
>   As the owner, the publisher has the right to put ANY restrictions he/she
>might wish, even if you and I, as customers, might think they are stupid or
>ill-advised.  Nobody has ONLY a network.  Any library that has
>a network could always disconnect one of the workstations
>from the network and have a standalone workstation.  It might require the
>purchase of another CDROM drive, but that is trivial compared to the cost
>of the OED II.

Actually, Dan, I wasn't advocating networking it anyway. They can restrict our
networking rights, and we have to put up with it. But it is NOT right or
"fair".  What I was saying was that they shouldn't. Sorry if I was unclear.
Also, when you call the cost of "disconnecting" a station trivial, I think you
are neglecting the "opportunity" cost of doing so.  A standalone workstation
can only access the OED, limiting the access to networkable products. Not
good. Fortunately, use of humanities dbs here is low enough that we can load
the OED on a stanlone with six disk changer and not worry about patron
conflicts.

Nor was the CASSIS case quite as Dan described it, but I don't want to
blab all over the net. Suffice it to say that there seems to have been
a communication failure on their part.


-- 
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
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From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: Re: TEXEL
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:56:30 GMT

In article <arthurs.10.724971627@UPEI.CA> arthurs@UPEI.CA (Hal Arthurs) writes:
>Where can I find the address and phone number for TEXEL CD-ROM manufacturer.
>

Texel America, Inc.
1080C E. Duane Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA  94086

408.736.1374
408.736.1378 (fax)
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Subject:      Re: Novell's binding

Alan,

   Did you try using Novell's Bindfix utility to re bind the usernames to the
associated home/mail directories.  I have only seen two occurances of corrupted
bindary files since I started using Novell (5 years ago).  I would wonder what
could have caused the files to get corrupted in the first place.  Each time I
have seen it happen it was because the server was shut off / power loss before
the DOWN command was issued.  Other than that normally there are not any
problems.  Also if you had a backup you could have tried to restore the bindary
files (NET$BIND...).

    Craig Finley
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From:         "D.E. 'Dave' Bloomberg" <BLOOMBER@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: BINDVIEW (was CDPlus)

Hiya,

Thanks for the skinny on PLUSNET.  Now on to BINDVIEW that Jim Morgan
mentioned.

What is it?  Where to get it ??  What does it cost ??  All the good
stuff??

Dave Bloomberg
BLOOMBER@FAUVAX
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From:         jblaine@IRIS.PROCEPT.COM
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM Concepts Guide

>Lotus has just published a CD-ROM concepts guide that is available at no
>charge.  This guide discusses the overall storage benefits of CD-ROMs and
>provides information on attaching CD-ROMs to the network.  While the guide does
>not promote any specific products it does provide reference information for
>many of the manufacturers and publishers who supply CD-ROM hardware and
>software.
>
>Please contact me at the below Internet address if you are interested in
>receiving a copy.
>
>Bill Erdman  (Bill_Erdman@crd.lotus.com)

Bill,

Please send me a copy of the CD-ROM concepts guide. I am setting up a small
library here, with many Macs around the company but few shelves in the
library. CD-ROM looks like a good idea here. Thanks for your help.

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From:         "Amy Wang @ Bellcore - Library Network, Piscataway,
              NJ" <january@DONNER.CC.BELLCORE.COM>
Subject:      re: CD-ROM Concepts Guide

>Lotus has just published a CD-ROM concepts guide that is available at no
>charge.  This guide discusses the overall storage benefits of CD-ROMs and
>provides information on attaching CD-ROMs to the network.  While the guide does
>not promote any specific products it does provide reference information for
>many of the manufacturers and publishers who supply CD-ROM hardware and
>software.
>
>Please contact me at the below Internet address if you are interested in
>receiving a copy.
>
>Bill Erdman  (Bill_Erdman@crd.lotus.com)


Bill,

I would be interested in receiving the concepts guide you describe above.

Thanks,

Amy Wang
Bellcore, 6 Corporate Place, Piscataway, NJ 08854
Internet: january@donner.cc.bellcore.com
Fax: 908-336-2231      Voice: 908-699-3360
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From:         Gloria McClanahan <mcclan@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CDROM networking

I took a Christmas break.  Did you receive sufficient answers to your
question? Did people suggest SIRS, EMAS, Columbia Granger's World of Poetry?

If you need other suggestons let me know
Gloria
mcclan@tenet.edu
Austin,TX

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 RANDIJ@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU wrote:

> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:05:00 EST
> From:RANDIJ@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU
> To: Multiple recipients of list CDROMLAN <CDROMLAN@idbsu.bitnet>
> Subject: Re: CDROM networking
>
> Does anyone know of any CDROM databases appropriate for K-12 libraries
> that do not have extra license fees for mutiple users.
> Thanks
> randij@venus.ycc.yale.edu
From: furr@pilot.njin.net (Grover Furr)
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Subject: what ref wks avail. cdrom?
Keywords: reference, cdrom
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:34:27 GMT
Organization: Montclair State College, Upper Montclair, NJ


	I'd like to know WHERE to find out what reference works are
available on CDROM. My teenage kids want a new encyclopedia. The
Brittanica goes for over $1000 in volume form. But more and more
reference and other material is available on CDROM. My guess is that
it would make more sense to buy an encyclopedia in CDROM -- if the
price is reasonable. 

	Also, I'd like to know where to look for reviews of CDROM
readers that can be bought and plugged into a PC clone (I have a 386
DX).

	Surely many of you librarians and other research experts on
this board know  how to find this information. Please email me at:

	furr@apollo.montclair.edu

, or post to the board. But I'd prefer email direct, if it's not too
much trouble.

	Thank you, and happy new year to all!

	
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Home: 121 Oakland Terrace               Work: English Department
      Newark, NJ 07106                        Montclair State College
      ARS AA2GP                               Upper Montclair, NJ 07043
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From:         Steven Kirby <SRKIRBY@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: OED/Licensing
              23 Dec 1992 20:12:54 GMT from <jahb@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>

This is silly.  Does anybody really buy the suggestion that the mere presence
of a systems programmer will force an administration to the moral high road?
I thought not.  As a techie librarian, I have to second Jennifer's comments
about software pricing and question the absurd suggestion that academics are
less sensitive to licensing terms than anyone else.  Maybe that is true in the
UK (the United Kingdom, whence my ancestors came, as opposed to U.K. (the
University of Kentucky, at whose bosom I was weaned and whence all wisdom
flows.))  IMHO, not true in the private sector here in the states.  As Jenn
rightly noted, complying with net license terms is too cheap and too easy for
the average academic user.  Back in my law firm days, we had 20 copies of a
single app running and there was nothing I could do about it.  I'd just fired
our Dbase programmer, so that avenue for support was out.  My experience has
been that the three best prequsites to observing license terms are, in order,
1) a supportive administration, 2) cheap license terms, and 3) a supportive
administration (see #2).

Whatever the merits of my post, happy holidays to all on CDROMLAN.  May your
nets be happy and right!

-sk-

Steven Kirby
University of Georgia

INTERNET:   kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu  OR srkirby@uga.cc.uga.edu
BITNET:     srkirby@uga
BellNet:    (706) 542-8460
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From:         "ANN P. PENWARDEN" <PENWARAP%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Shareware/Freeware Timeout Progs

We have MENU MASTER (shareware), $30 per system, contact:

 John Franck
1200 Jefferson Davis Rd.
Martinsville, VA  24112

It returns to the menu after a time-out period, and also has a
screen saver.

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LeRoy V. Good Library                             716-292-2322
Monroe Community College                    FAX : 716-424-1402
PO Box 9701
Rochester, NY  14623-0701               SUNYNET : smccva::penwarap
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From:         Carol Simpson <csimpson@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Corefiche

We have a very aggressive salesperson trying to sell us the CD to
accompany Corefiche from Roth Publishing.  Is anyone currently using this
CD, and if so is it networked?  I'm not getting solid answers from the rep
about the possibilities.

Carol Mann Simpson
Facilitator - Library Technology
Mesquite (TX) Independent School District
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From:         James Jay Morgan <MORGANJ@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: pioneer minichanger

That scenario might be ok for UMI, but would not do for other cdrom
software where more than one disk is in almost simultaneous use by a single
user.  An example would be the CDPLUS standalone Medline software, where
the put the citations on the first disk and the abstracts on the second,
thus fitting 4 years of Medline on 2 disks.
Jim Morgan
MORGANJ@INDYVAX.BITNET  MORGANJ@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
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Comments:     Originally-From: jahb@Lehigh.EDU (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: license agreements

This is being forwarded to the list with the permission of the author.
I will send some responses in a separate message.

dan
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have one MAJOR problem with the OEDII's network policy.
No network version of the software is available, nearly a year after the
software debut.  If people don't bother to put out an on-time version of the
network software, then I don't think they have a right to restrict network
use. What if you only HAVE a network?  They want to charge you extra for YOUR
time and effort in getting the damn thing to work on a network?  Or prohibit
you from using it at all?
One *SHINING* example of this is the Patent Office's CASSIS product. We
contacted them for help with a PARTICULARLY buggy release, only to discover
that we couldn't run it on a network because we didn't have a network
licence. We couldn't get a network licence, because there was no network
version of the software.
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows
Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road
Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
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From:         gyoung@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: OED/Licensing
              22 Dec 92 10:38:31 +0000. <9212221428.AA22255@Athena.MIT.EDU>

I thought I saw something about OUP taking networking licensing fees and
not delivering a networked version somewhere.  Networking the single
user version under those circumstances seems defensible to me.  Other
than that I generally agree you should abide by your license.  We used
to have Lotus OneSource at some ridiculous annual fee until we found an
alternate database with a better price (although less service).  It
seems to me not whether the marketplace will decide appropriate value
for intellectual property but whether we can afford to wait.

-- Grant Young, Asst. Head
MIT Libraries -- Systems Office
77 Mass. Ave. Rm. 14-0615, Cambridge, MA 02139
gyoung@athena.mit.edu (gyoung%athena.mit.edu@mitvma)
phone: 617-253-1617 fax: 617-253-1690
"Nothing fancy, just so it works good."
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From:         Annanaomi=Sams%LIBRARY%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
Subject:      re: CDPlus

We use PlusNet1 statistics module (Novell, really).  We think it is
accurate, but we aren't running a parallel system to monitor it.  We've
had 1000+ uses/month at 4(6) work stations in the library.  This "looks" quite
in line with our observations of how busy the work stations are.

What is it that you are seeing that causes you to think the stats are
inaccurate?

You might try posting the question on CDPLUS-L and MEDLIB-L for increased
response.


Annanaomi Sams                      University of Massachusetts Medical Center
Deputy Library Director                                   55 Lake Avenue North
Medical Library                                            Worcester, MA 01655
asams@umassmed.ummed.edu                                          508-856-2399
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From:         "Tracy E. Powell" <LIPOWELL@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: CDPlus
              23 Dec 1992 14:35:21 EST from <MORGANJ@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

We solved the stats-gathering problem (from not exiting out of the soft-
ware) and problems we had when we sent print jobs to a networked printer with
CAPTURE            while in CD-Plus by delaying all printing until after the
client exits completely out of the CD-Plus software.  The usage stats are
more accurate, and all print jobs are sent with NPRINT, avoiding all the
problems arising from double queuing of print jobs when printing from within
the CD-Plus software.  The clients have gotten used to it, and do not mind for
the most part getting the printout after they finish searching (we use one
HPIIIsi for 6 workstations).  At least they are getting a printout, which is an
improvement over what they got when we were using CAPTURE.


Tracy E. Powell
East Carolina University
Health Sciences Library
Greenville, NC 27858
LIPOWELL@ECUVM1
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From:         Steve Druck <VUSTEVE@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Optinet Optimization

There was a recent posting to this list (I think) regarding the importance
of chosing a SCSI adapter for which there is an Optinet TURBO driver and
using SCSI-2 CD-ROM drives.  I have looked back in the logs of this discussion
list on IDBSU and can't find it.

Suddenly this has become a hot issue here and so I would appreciate it if
either the original submitter or someone who saved a copy would send me
the posting.

Thanks and happy holidays,

Steve Druck                    Internet: VUSTEVE@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL
Weizmann Institute of Science  BITnet:   VUSTEVE AT WEIZMANN
76 100 Rehovot                 FAX:      +972(8)344102
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From: arthurs@UPEI.CA (Hal Arthurs)
Subject: TEXEL
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island, CANADA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:00:27 GMT

Where can I find the address and phone number for TEXEL CD-ROM manufacturer.

If anyone can help please post.



Hal

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From:         Edward Tam <etam@DELTA.TYMNET.COM>
Subject:      Re: Donna Williams's tape chain

Lisa,

I would like to watch the Donna Williams's interview, please kindly add
my name to your tape distribution chain.

Thanks,

Edward Tam
#301-7300 Moffatt Road
Richmond, B.C.
V6Y 1X8  Canada

Happy Holidays!
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From:         Lisa S Lewis <LISAS@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Donna Williams Tape Requests

Everyone:
I have sent a letter requesting the right to share the tape (which I have
received).  I hope to hear from after the holidays, since I did send it
directly to the person who can authorize this..

I'll let you all know.

Lisa
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From:         RJKOPP@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Alex's mentor

I like the sound of your scout troup, although some good iteraction with the
other troups with some help from some troup leaders or helpers to foster
interaction would be of immense value.  The intervention of someone to
guide it would help direct it so that both groups of kids would be more
accepting of each other.  This is the same thing I feel about the aides on
the playground you speak of, it may keep your son safe, but it's not doing
anything to help him socially.  It leaves it entirely up to him to initiate
the interaction, which is already his problem.  I've seen this with my
daughter too, the unfortunate part is that this is free time, sometimes for
teachers and aides and it's probably hard to get some to do what needs to
be done.  I'm not nocking this either cause I do think the teachers are
overworked and need breaks that I often wonder how they get.  Perhaps some
scheduling would help, such as an aide gets a lunch hour during a time
when the students don't need so much help, or roving aides to releive some
people.  But Schools really need to address the real social issue too,
that's another reason why I cringe when I see a regimented school where
talking among children is discouraged etc.  This is exactly what these kids
need and I think it can be incorporated.

There is a saying in some of our more progressive schools that if the
classroom is quite things aren't happening, well I don't know if that's
always true, but I think socialization should be fostered.

One other point about your son feeling ashamed about talking to himself.
This is something my daughter Shawna does too, but there was a time she
was facilitating and expressed that she thought that maybe people think
she's crazy for whispering so much.  When she gets in front of the mirror
she really gets wound up with this.  Other times then she starts acting like
she's teaching class.  We really get a kick out of it, but there are times
we have to be careful that she doesn't think we're laughing at her cause
she will get sensitive about it.

Thanks,
Ray Kopp
Syracuse, New York
Internet:rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
Bitnet:RJKOPP@SUVM.BITNET
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From:         Edward Tam <etam@DELTA.TYMNET.COM>
Subject:      Re: Donna Williams tape chain

Lisa,

I would like to watch the Donna Williams's interview, please kindly add
my name to your tape distribution chain.

Thanks,

Edward Tam
#301-7300 Moffatt Road
Richmond, B.C.
V6Y 1X8  Canada

*** Happy holidays to all! ***
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From:         Bob Zenhausern <DRZ@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Information about abuse

Jim,

As of 12/24 Derrick Smith has not asked for membership in Autism.  If you
can send me his email address, I will subscribe him directly.  If there
is anything I can do to make his visit more pleasant, just let me know.

Bob Zenhausern, Ph.D.        Internet: drz@sjuvm.stjohns.edu
St. John's University        Bitnet: drz@sjuvm.bitnet
SB 15 Marillac               Phone:  718-990-6447
Jamaica, NY 11439            Fax:    718-990-6705
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