From: lemon@unssun.scs.unr.edu (John-John)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno


In article <km-rfc_@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
#IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
#
##At night it might also be a good idea to turn the dome light on to
#No, I would not.  The cop is the agressor.  Become non-threatening but
#don't make his job of stealing money from you any easier.

Stupid.  Make his/her life easier, your life will get easier.  
Why do you think double duty officers come up on either side of
your vehicle...one on eihter side...the passenger side with merely
a flashlight and a gun?  Answer:  s/he wants to ILLUMINATE the interior
of your vehicle.  You have a bad attitude towards cops and someday it
may get you killed, warranted or not.

#RE: CCW.  I would not advise telling the cop about a CCW/Gun unless
#the gun is in view and/or the cop is going to search you.  There are

Agreed.  If s/he asks you to get out of the car tho, you'd better damn
well tell her/him about it, else find youself in an interesting at
best predicament

#plenty of cops out there who will harrass you and even take your gun,
#CCW or not.  For example, here in Cobb County, GA, it is the official
#policy of the Cobb county pigs, er, cops, to take all concealed firearms,
#regardless of a CCW.  Illegal?  Sure but some citizen is going to have
#to file suit to stop it.  Cops don't have to obey the law unless 
#forced.  If your gun is an especially nice one, it might just disappear
#off into the void.

File a complaint to this effect to the Cobb County Sherriff's Department.
If it it is true, you may have a constitutional case.

#During my only stop since getting a CCW, before I came to a halt,
#I simply put my pistol in a secret compartment behind the seat.


Cop sees you from the rear moving around.  Cop sees you reach behind
the seat.  Cop sees you making an effort to not pull over immediately.
Cop gets out of car. Cop sees your hands in a non-threatening manner
but is debilitated (sp?) by a lack of light inside your car.  You make
a bad move reaching for your driver's license.  Cop is a little bit
crazed and perhaps overzealous.  Cop shoots you D-E-A-D!  

YOU are RIGHT.
COP is WRONG.

YOU are DEAD.

#Assuming you're not stupid enough to allow a cop to search your car
#without a warrant, the cop would have no legal way of finding the gun.

If he so chooses to arrest you, he can search your car without a warrant.
And there are many things even you or i do not know of that we can be
arrested for.

#If you ever have a gun taken as part of a traffic stop, I suggest
#writing at least the model and brand on the traffic ticket while you're
#signing it.  Serial number too, if you know it.  this is in addition to any
#property receipt you might get.
#

Naturally.  Very good suggestion.

#John

John A. LeMon ;)


      John A. LeMon           "Good my Lord, put your discourse in some frame  
     U. Nevada, Reno              and start not so wildly from my affair."     
  lemon@unssun.nevada.edu                       --Shakespeare              
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