HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Another Irate Dad Kills
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:11:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.160557.1107@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>Actually, the answer for me is quite easy.  I am now going to let you
>in on a well kept secret.  Having children IS FUN !!!  I know that you
>may find that hard to believe, but it's true.  I spent last evening
>rolling around the living room floor wrestling with my son, and then
>sitting in his room reading him stories.  Just think, I could have been
>watching "Roseanne" instead - phooey !!!  There is nothing like coming
>home from work and having my son run across the room and give my leg
>a big hug.  The feeling that you get when you hold your new-born infant
>for the first time is indescribeable.  Be warned, being a parent is lots
>of work and is not something which should be undertaken lightly.  But,
>the rewards are immense and last a lifetime.  If you want to hear from
>many other people who love being parents, I would suggest that you post
>this question over in misc.kids.
>
>
>Guido
>
	Like I said.  It's an even trade.  A lot of work; A lot of
	benefit.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: popular boys
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:03:07 GMT

In article <717531843@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>Think for a minute about high school years, who were the popular
>boys between the girls?  The anti-violence boys or the Macho boys?

"Girls say 'yes' to boys who say 'no'."  I still remember the (very
attractive) woman who told me that when I burned my draft card.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:45:07 GMT

jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:

>I always believed that a good breakfast must contain the four food groups: 

>	Caffiene
>	Salt/Preservatives
>	Fat
>	Sugar
>	Carbohydrates

And with a diet like this it's no wonder you can't count.

The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.

-- 
FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW:  Never Waste Calories.  Potato chips, candy,
whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your
dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors.  But Fuzzy Pink's Law
implies: Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped
cream, or an inferior hot fudge sundae.
                Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:14:39 GMT

ccsmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding) writes:

>>I like to sleep with the windows open and a fan on (in the window) to
>>bring in fresh air.  She wants the windows shut and shuttered as tightly
>>as possible, to block out light and noise.  

>Ah, yes! Even in the height of summer the windows have to be shut until she
>wakes up with a headache from the heat - then she will open them. I've been
>awake already for a couple of hours with my head all fogged up due to
>lack of fresh air. Julie is *very* paranoid about people climbing in through
>the window at night.

That's what the fan is for.  >:->

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.sex,alt.feminism
From: ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown)
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:05:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <sem_QgO00YV9M4zfEh@andrew.cmu.edu> rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Ann Stallings) writes:
>   That's not the point the first poster was trying to make.  In the
>1960s, pharmaceutical companies went ahead and released the Pill even
>though it was rather dangerous.  They've made modifications since, but
>some brands and formulations still have serious side effects.  By
>contrast, it seems that companies are unwilling to release a male pill
>until it's absolutely perfect, not wanting to inconvenience or endanger
>men.

Can you name this hypothetical male pill?  All the ones I've heard of cause
irreversible sterility in a substantial minority of those who take it (e.g., 
gossypol).  The Pill, while it _does_ have quite a few nasty side effects,
does not have irreversible side effects of any kind.  (At least, I've never
heard about the Pill causing sterility or death.)


Eric

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.child-support
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Another Irate Dad Kills
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.131329.19845@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.062122.23059@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:
>>
>>
>>I have a very perplexing question to pose to the readers of this group.
>>I do not post often,but after all the hype on father/mother bashing threads.
>>
>>Why in christs'name do you guys WANT to procreate?

Thank you for your many thoughts on this subject.
I can appreciate what everyone has said.



Heaps of different email and stories deleted,because most of the replies
were in the theme of..." It's our choice...and how wonderful kids are...
and how peachy keen life is...."
Thats really terrific.I'm glad that everyone is so well adjusted.

I was deciding to go and get the big V done,so inputs were helpful.
Flippant statements like"...yea,for one generation"..thanks Michal,were
of absolute no use,and only made me realise that glib statements as such,
should be treated with contempt.I wonder how some of those people would 
be as parents.

>	Finally and probably most important is the long term considerations.
>	The presence of family (which won't exist if you don't have kids)
>	is meaningfull.  Having a sibling to relate to when grown up,
>	and having kids/family to share life, holidays, hard-times,etc.
>
>	I have kids, not for today or next week, but for when I'm in
>	my 60's and 70's.  Both my wife and myself are one of two kids.
So you decide to have kids to look after you
at the end of your uselfulness.How kind 


>	And both of our respective parents lives would be quite empty
>	without thier kids.  They are all pushing 70's.  But kids
>	are there for them, and we have a sibling to "carry the burden"
>	of family responsibilities, etc.  That's the *real* reason.
>
>	And we know several couples who seem to be very selfish, opting
>	to not have any kids.  They will have a very lonely old age.
>	They aren't investing in their future, and will pay for it

Gee,that means if I don't have children then I'll be lonely in my
old age.What about the kids being lonely in your work career.?
I'm not attacking you personally,you voiced what many tried to say.

>
>	So have kids.  Pay a price, and receive a "paycheck".  Or don't.
>	No price, no paycheck.  Quite your job and live on the street
>	if you don't consider the hassle of work worth food on your
>	table.  It's like that.

I think I need this explained.What has food on my table got to do with
having kids.?If I like my job do I have to procreate.?


Xref: sparky soc.men:17303 soc.women:17350
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Violent Di Batters Charles
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:03:20 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct2.093634.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:

>feminist movement, instead of offering freedoms, merely imposed a different
>set of requirements for women, leaving most women very confused about their
>role in life. Di is no exception. So she takes out her anger at her confusion
>on Charles.

This makes sense. After all, it must take an extraordinarily confused
feminist to marry the heir to a royal throne :-)
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Organization: Nefolet shel nemushot (Fallout of Wimps)

In article <6791@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> mxsst1+@pitt.edu 
(Michael   Stroucken) writes:

>How about this to control human population: Every woman, who has had one
>child, will have her tubes tied. 

NO.
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu (SunCat)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Political Correctness
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:12:08 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <robert.717980158@labyrinth> robert@informix.com (Robert  
Coleman) writes:
> me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account) writes:
[start of thread deleted}
> 	How amusing.  In case anyone misses it, this excerpt both denies 
> any kind of definition for "Politically Correct" and simultaneous  
provides 
> one.  The author is torn by the hilarious conflict between wanting to  
deny 
> people a handle that would allow them to criticize certain kinds of  
thinking, 
> and the desire to *attack* the politics of those who criticize those  
kinds 
> of thinking (which is difficult if not impossible without defining 
> "anti-PC"...a process that necessarily defines PC.)

How so?  PC has greater existence in the imaginations of the right than in  
the real world.  It's a hoax, and a politically useful one if you happen  
to be right-wing.

> 	It's very clear that the author has an understanding of what is 
> meant by PC, and that suggests that the term PC is very useful and real
> indeed.  He or she expresses those concepts in a biased fashion, but
> nevertheless, belies their own claim of the meaninglessness of the term.
> 
> Robert C.
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------
> Disclaimer: My company has not yet seen fit to
> 	    elect me as spokesperson. Hmmpf.
Jamin Raskin is simply saying that PC is an empty term.  Like "Secular  
Humanist" 10 years ago, it is vague enough to be applied to any alleged  
crime and yet nasty enough to silence the target.  Or like "Communism"  
years ago when someone or other said,"Any pitcher who throws the ball at a  
batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist".  Or "nigger".   
"Nigger" is supposed to mean that blacks are worthless, but since that  
purported reality doesn't exist either--that word is empty too.  There  
have been hundreds of articles all talking about the new PC menace.  But  
if this purported movement really exists why haven't I seen even one  
article that says it's good to be PC?  Everybody knows somebody they don't  
like.  If they annoy you in some way you can call him a "nigger", "Secular  
Humanist", a "communist", or "politically correct".  But that does not  
make all claims true.

Kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu================================
Political Correctness is like an Elvis sighting.  Everybody's heard of it,  
but nobody has seen it.
From: ccsmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:52:15 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.173300.29857@linus.mitre.org> cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.145124.19856@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccsmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk 
>>(Mark Harding) writes:
>>> I have recently moved in with my girlfriend and have started to discover
>>> that she, to me at least, seems annoyed at things I think are trivial.
>>
>>Clue #1:  You moved into *her* place. Comprende? 
>
>Sorry, no comprende.  I am experiencing the same thing, and my fiance hasn't
>even moved in yet (although she does today).
>

Ahh, well I'm glad it's not just me. Julie (my girlfriend) and I had a chat
last night. Surprisingly it went well - I always feel a little trepidation
about bringing things up but usually when I do she is understanding.  Anyway
I told her that I don't do things on purpose to annoy her - sometimes things
just slip through. I said 'Next time I leave the toilet seat up, remember it
wasn't a personal attack on you, so instead of hollering at the top of your
lungs, why not just put the seat down?' She seemed happy with this. 

I conceded on the size of plate for toast and will now use a larger plate. 
What happens when we order a 14" Pizza I don't know. S'pose I'll have to cut 
it into smaller bits :-)

Anyway we seem to be back on track again - for a while :-)
Still, keep the discussion going - It's interesting.

>Bedroom:
>
>I like to sleep with the windows open and a fan on (in the window) to
>bring in fresh air.  She wants the windows shut and shuttered as tightly
>as possible, to block out light and noise.  

Ah, yes! Even in the height of summer the windows have to be shut until she
wakes up with a headache from the heat - then she will open them. I've been
awake already for a couple of hours with my head all fogged up due to
lack of fresh air. Julie is *very* paranoid about people climbing in through
the window at night.

Cheers, Mark
-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|>  Mark Harding, Most excellent & triumphant programmer.  044  0225 826057   <|
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.politics.clinton
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.020205.10257@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa) writes:

>May I remind you that alimony is not the same as child support?  The
>bluring of the distinction, and the assumption that it's only moms
>that do or should get custody and the assumption that all deadbeat
>parents are fathers are two of the things that made my election choice
>clear.

Woa!  Just because I confused the two don't take it out on Clinton.  I
should have been more careful with my wording.

Clinton has only talked about "child support".  Any national effort to
enforce payment would be equally applied to both men and women.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: gold & silver
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:42:04 GMT


Ok... guess i'm elected. I'll ring them tomorrow. Promise. cbs.

-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: tdawson@well.sf.ca.us (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: List of Public Libraries on the net (sort of)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:37:11 GMT

In <79809@ut-emx.uucp> larry8@ut-emx.uucp (Larry) writes:

>What I meant to do here was to distinguish between those institutions such
>as Denver Public and San Diego which have made a commitment on the part
>of the *institution* to go online (Liverpool PL in New York would also be
>included in this category) so that employees are provided an account and
>those institutions in which the librarians have net accounts as 
>*individuals* through some outside source but their employer does not
>necessarily have an interest in promoting the net.  My intention was to
>point out that I do not know which category most of the people on this list
>belong to.  I hope that this is a useful distinction, and would be interested
>in hearing how different libraries support their employees' networking. 

Some of us are betwixt and between.  Having the organizational commitment
to the Net does not confer the wherewithal.  In our case, the Appleton
Public Library is providing funds for staff members' accounts on the WELL
At some point, we will have the $24K and the storage space it would take us to 
become a node.  At least this is a start...

Terry Dawson
Appleton Public Library
225 N. Oneida
Appleton, WI 54911
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: International Library List
From: kj@dme.nt.gov.au (Kasthuri Jayaraman 95280)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:06:13 +0900H
Reply-To: kj@dme.nt.gov.au
Distribution: world
Organization: Northern Territory Department of Mines & Energy


Could somebody please email me a list of libraries which allow public access and email addresses for contacts at these libraries, or information about where such a list can be obtained.
From: gainer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Name [Larry Gainor)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: List of Public Libraries on the net (sort of)
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:54:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <tdawson.717719831@well.sf.ca.us> tdawson@well.sf.ca.us (Terry Dawson) writes:
>In <79809@ut-emx.uucp> larry8@ut-emx.uucp (Larry) writes:
>
[material deleted for brevity]
>
>Some of us are betwixt and between.  Having the organizational commitment
>to the Net does not confer the wherewithal.  In our case, the Appleton
>Public Library is providing funds for staff members' accounts on the WELL
>At some point, we will have the $24K and the storage space it would take us to 
>become a node.  At least this is a start...
>Terry Dawson

Actually, I would say that any situation in which the *employer* is paying
for net access, whether it be for a node or a couple of accounts or
whatever, then that would indicate an organizational commitment. Of
course there will be differences in the way that an organization's 
commitment to networking will be manifested according to the size and
resources of the organization.  However, I wanted to distinguish between
those situations and the ones in which access to the net is purely an
individual affair. 

Larry


 


-- 
Larry Gainor
Austin Community College
Internet: gainer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Why couldn't public libraries do this?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:45:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: oogoody.corp.sun.com

In article JB5@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>  Odd.. I just heard a woman on "Fresh Air", the CBC radio's Sunday
>  morning programme with a heavy seniors slant - she was talking about
>  a "Gold and Silver" BBS designed especially for seniors. Apparently
>  there are the usual conferences, plus hooks to other BBSs and 
>  maybe the net(?). Didn't get the phone number. Gimme a few years ;-).
>

Anyone else have information on the "gold and silver" BBS?
From: cijs08@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: BUBL Update to UK's Favourite Bulletin Board
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:03:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


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Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: numbers for silver and gold seniors bbs
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:58:43 GMT


 
Numbers for the Silver and Gold BBS for seniors:
 
    416+    
        652 2400   modems 2400 and less
        658 9000   modems 9600 
        658 9676   tech support & training (voice)
        658 0327   fax
        657 8621   Isobel Warren, founder
 
There is no charge for the BBS, but until they get a
toll free line, you pick up the long distance charges.
 
They have been up for about 5 months and have logged
about 4K calls so far. They also provide access to
five other nets, including Fidonet.
 

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       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)