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From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (A. Cosar)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.231539.16445@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
>[...]
>propagate the material people were complaining about and I, being a
>relatively nice person I like to think, was trying to be helpful and
>see if you were aware of what this person on zuma.UUCP was doing.

Who do you think you are talking to? What you were 'trying to be'
was anything but 'helpful.'

>You are obviously not ignorant of Usenet and are aware of your actions
>and the actions of the site to which you provide a feed.  

What 'actions' are you talking about? Let's get this straight first,
shall we?

>As a person local to all of this, I thought it a rather responsible
>thing of me to try some form of communication.  Other people in
>news.admin.policy had little luck trying to contact you via email.

You mean your friend Paul Pomes (the junk-mailing-specialist-postmaster
of UIUC.EDU) was 'utterly unsuccessful' and he wanted his 'local friend'
to try 'some form of censorship' ('communication' for 'utterly unsuccesful'
that is)

>Usenet is an anarchy with some social conventions that people *usually*
>choose to follow.  And as long as someone is willing to feed you and
>zuma.UUCP, you can spew out whatever y'all want.  There is clearly
>nothing I can do either in cutting the garbage or education; I can
>happily add all of this to my killfiles and go about my business.

Same is true for you and millions of people on Usenet, so what is
the point you are trying to make by repeating obvious facts?
That you are a 'helpful guy' in search of 'communication?'

What was it that you wanted to 'communicate' anyway? Ah yes, you
wanted to 'communicate' that you couldn't 'communicate', and now
that we are in 'communicado' you talk about 'my killfiles'.

You have strange 'communication' habits, don't you think so?

>take care

I am taking care, of you that is...

>-- 
>Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
>SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (A. Cosar)
Subject: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:15:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.155248.26677@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@msi.umn.edu writes:
>> 55454?????  Since there is no "net police" (THANK GOD) what are we
>> supposed to do about it?
>
>Please read my entire message (i.e. don't just quote the whole thing
>;).  I said I'm assuming the sysadmin at anatolia is ignorant of
>netiquette and could use a gentle reminder to check out the messages in
>news.announce.newusers.  

Wat makes YOU 'assume' so?

>Ignorant until proven obnoxious, I say! :)

You are both, that's for sure.

>Although there are no ``net police'' (and I would disagree with that;
>they just aren't as overt as you would think), there are accepted norms
>of behavior on the net.  i.e. don't post business ads on the net except
>in biz.*.  

One of those 'accepted norms' must be to contact the person before
running to newsgroups with 'obnoxious assumptions'.

>People regularly overstep these conventions, and are subsequently
>flamed by everyone and their brother.  I have seen only a few isolated
>instances where the person _knew better_ but was being obnoxious
>anyway; in most of the cases I have seen, once the poster was informed
>what convention was (and why it was so), they would cease and desist.

Isn't this what people call a 'straw-man argument?'

>So far, people trying to contact either the sysadmin at anatolia or
>Serdar Argic have been utterly unsuccessful.  I'd like to see if anyone
>knows either one of them or knows how to contact them, by phone, in
>person, at a UUM meeting, whatever.  That's what I'm trying to
>accomplish here.

What do you mean by 'utterly unsuccesful?' That I have refused to
silence their opponent? Yes, some people have been 'utterly unsuccessful'
in doing that, one being the so-called 'postmaster' of UIUC.EDU who
does junk-mailing in violation of the laws of this country. What is
more shamelessly using the equipment of a state university for
harrassing the very same people who pay for that university and
Paul Pomes' wages with their taxes. And, yes I exposed this sorry
'postmaster' in news.admin.policy with his FULLY-AUTOMATED-JUNK-
MAILING-SYSTEM.

Send me an e-mail if you want to learn more, if you know how to use
mail, that is ...

>-- 
>Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
>SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
>               just another elitist Usenet administrator


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: thanks for the info
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:54:39 GMT

I received replies about this particular case from a few people.  I see
that the appropriate people are already (painfully :-) aware of the
situation.  Thanks for info!
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
               just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (A. Cosar)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:05:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.061100.20212@news2.cis.umn.edu> scanning@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback) writes:
>WRONG! !!!!! He was trying to be helpful.... 

To whom? For what? How? He claims that he was looking for a 'contact'
but he never tried to 'contact' me even though he went thru all the trouble
of getting my phone number, home address, and even posting it. I definitely
didn't need his 'help' for that.
 
Or, was he simply pointing at 'alternative ways for harrassment' since
his pen-pal Paul Pomes had been 'utterly unsuccessful' with junk-mailing?

>Now it sure is clear who is being obnoxious. Mr Molenda followed his conscience
>and tried to prevent other organizations from complaining about MN news feeds 
>and clipping the feed. So IMHO (which I could give a damm if you disagree or not)

Who is 'clipping' MN news feeds? Why? Is that what Mr Molenda told you,
or are YOU making it up?

>is trying to PREVENT censorship. 

Who is doing this 'censorship?' Mr Molenda? His pen-pal Paul Pomes?
Do you know something that I don't?

>Sh*t man your own sigfile boasts about Disk space

Please try to use a little intelligence, even for insulting, rather than
faul language.

>if you REALLY believed it or took it to heart you would understand how priceless

What 'disk-space' are you talking about? The one wasted by the junk-mailing-
specialist-postmaster of UIUC.EDU (aka Paul Pomes the pen-pal of Mr Molenda)?


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: dave@lynx.mn.org (David Messer)
Subject: Re: Indoor pistol range?
Organization: Lynx Data Systems
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:58:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.165106.11678@rsvl.unisys.com> bert@rsvl.unisys.com (Robert A. Hyman) writes:
 >I'm looking for an indoor pistol range that's open to the public, preferably 
 >in the close-in south metro area
 
 The only one I know that is South of the Cities is "The Gunnery" near
 Burnsville Center.  They may not exist any more -- I haven't been there
 for a couple of years.  A good one in the West suburbs is "Bill's
 Gun Shop"  But that is probably 20 miles from your location.
 
 If you hear of any other ranges in the South Suburbs, I'd be interested
 in hearing of them.
 
 Good hunting.  :)
-- 
It's not my fault!                   | David Messer       dave@lynx.mn.org -or-
    I voted for Andre Marrou.        | Lynx Data Systems  ..!tcnet!lynxds!dave
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: rhealey@rogue.digibd.com (Rob Healey)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.090526.21472@news2.cis.umn.edu>, cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (A. Cosar) writes:
|> Who is doing this 'censorship?' Mr Molenda? His pen-pal Paul Pomes?
|> Do you know something that I don't?
|> 
|> What 'disk-space' are you talking about? The one wasted by the junk-mailing-
|> specialist-postmaster of UIUC.EDU (aka Paul Pomes the pen-pal of Mr Molenda)?
|> 
	
	Since we're asking who is whom, who are you Mr. Cosar? Jason has
	been around for many years and has done ALOT of service for the MN
	USENET community.

	Until this piss fight I don't believe I've seen you around these parts.

	Alot of us have known Jason for years and are curious as to your
	attitude toward him and the the increase in noise that has occured
	in mn.general recently.

	So, I'm sure we'd all like to know who you are, where you come from,
	where you work and the usual introductory info people usually give
	out when they first appear in mn.general.

		-Rob
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace)
Subject: Old mail showing up
Organization: Private System - Saint Paul, MN
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:56:00 GMT

I have discovered month old mail appearing in my mail box this
morning.  While I don't know of any problems on my system, if
anyone has sent mail and hasn't received a reply, please contact
me again.

Thanks.
-- 
Jerry Wallace                    TechNIX, Inc.
Electronic: jfw@technix.mn.org   Suite 103
  Acoustic: +1 612 645 7684      2301 Como Avenue
 Ballistic: Hah!                 Saint Paul, MN  55108
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:54:51 GMT

Geez...

-- 
\\ Robert J. Granvin                                 User Services Specialist
// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota            rjg@stat.umn.edu
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From: osh@cray.com (O'Shaughnessy John)
Subject: Re: novell acquires USL from AT&T?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc, Mendota Heights, MN
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:51:05 CST

It was in today's StarTribune.  Novell is the proud new owner of USL.


They've been a strong influence over USL over the past couple of years with
the Univel product / project.  It will be interesting to see what changes
(if any) this will bring.


John



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Cray Research, Inc.	Voice: 612.683.7322		Fax: 612.683.7509
Newsgroups: mn.general,mn.uum
From: mailadm@kksys.com (Mail Administrator)
Subject: MailAdmin on vacation
Summary: Happy Holidays
Reply-To: clayh@kksys.com
Organization: K and K Systems
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:14:41 GMT

Hi, folks.  I will be out of town and away from easy computer access to
MN.Org from today through the weekend.  Please don't call Greg, as he isn't
the mail admin anymore.  If you would like to leave a message on my
answering machine, the number is 542-9647.  Please call only during business
hours.

Clay Haapala (mailadm@mn.org)
-- 
Mail administrator / K and K Systems / PO Box 47804 / Plymouth, MN 55447-0804
Internet: mailadm@kksys.com /  Voice: +1 612 475 1527  / Fax: +1 612 449 0488
   = Also mail administrator for the mn.org domain park - mailadm@mn.org =
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:48:10 GMT

Mr. Cozar - take a valium man.
-- 
Eric J. Svedberg      | Minnesota Supercomputer Inst. | svedberg@msi.umn.edu
Technical Support     | 1200 Washington Avenue South  |
Network Manager       | Minneapolis, MN 55415         |
Work: (612) 624 8862  | Fax: (612) 624-8861           | GLOPS!
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: twin cities area PPP sites?
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:23:32 GMT

After some unreasonable (from my humble point of view) amount of
struggling, I have finally managed to get a PPP link up between my home
machine (hawkmoon.mn.org running Esix 4.0.3) and a Sun SLC
(medusa.stpaul.gov running 4.1.3) on my network at work.  Are there any
other public or demi-public sites in the twin cities area running PPP
software?  Particularly desirable would be public PPP sites on the
Internet! I know that the "U" (of mn) has at least one SLIP (PPP too?)
gateway, but you have to work/school there to have access to it and my
minor UMN connections don't count enough in this regard...

derek
-- 
Derek Terveer   Work:	derekt@stpaul.gov	+1 612 292 6009
		Play:	det@hawkmoon.mn.org	+1 612 683 0413
"Big business and big government distract us with entertainment;
 they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: derekt@pwcs.stpaul.gov (Derek Terveer)
Subject: mail possibly lost through/to pwcs 16-dec..21-dec
Organization: City of St. Paul Public Works
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:17:45 GMT

It has been discovered that, due to "technical difficulties", some mail
passing through pwcs or destined for pwcs has definitely been lost
today, Monday, the 21st of December, and that some other mail may have
been lost as far back as Wednesday, the 16th.  It only really became
obvious on Monday.  News was not affected, nor were uuto file transfers.

The mail that was lost is irrecoverable because it was vicously stomped
upon, shredded, mutilated, spindled, and finally throw in to the trash
can.  I recommend that if you aren't sure that your mail successfully
reached its destination, that you resend any mail between those dates,
just to be sure.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Flames to:  derek.terveer@stpaul.gov

derek
-- 
Derek Terveer   Work:	derek.terveer@stpaul.gov	+1 612 292 6009
		Play:	det@hawkmoon.mn.org	+1 612 683 0413
"Big business and big government distract us with entertainment;
 they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: oops
Reply-To:  molenda@msi.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:44:13 GMT

my posting software is setting my From: line to msi-i1.msi.umn.edu,
an invalid hostname.  i1.msi.umn.edu or msi.umn.edu should work
fine.  Sorry for the confusion; I'll whip my software back in line
later today.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
               just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: novell acquires USL from AT&T?
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:32:37 GMT


I just heard on "Market Place" (a popular business program on 91.1FM)
that AT&T has swapped Unix System Laboratories for some stock or
something with Novell.  Can anyone verify this?  I'm not exactly sure I
like the sound of it if it's true...

derek
-- 
Derek Terveer   Work:	derekt@stpaul.gov	+1 612 292 6009
		Play:	det@hawkmoon.mn.org	+1 612 683 0413
"Big business and big government distract us with entertainment;
 they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: spratt@src.honeywell.com (Steve Pratt)
Subject: Re: novell acquires USL from AT&T?
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:52:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.043237.12979@hawkmoon.mn.org> det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:

> I just heard on "Market Place" (a popular business program on 91.1FM)
> that AT&T has swapped Unix System Laboratories for some stock or
> something with Novell.  Can anyone verify this?  I'm not exactly sure I
> like the sound of it if it's true...

I heard a similar report on "The Nightly Business Report" on KTCA last
night.  I was hoping that it had just been a nightmare ...

Steve Pratt                                spratt@src.honeywell.com
Honeywell Systems & Research Center        (612) 951-7267
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: wfk@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback)
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about anatolia.mn.org -or- ``Serdar Argic''?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.061616.23775@news2.cis.umn.edu>, molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
.....Stuff Deleted...... 
|> I'm getting a little bored of all this crap, personally, and I was
|> wondering if anyone knows anything about the site anatolia.mn.org.  It
|> has the following map entry
|> 
|>   #N	.anatolia.mn.org, anatolia
|>   #F	.mn.org
|>   #S	IBM 486; DOS 5.0
|>   #O	anatolia
|>   #C	Ahmet Cosar
|>   #E	cosar@anatolia.MN.ORG
|>   #T	+1 612 672 9715
|>   #P	1600 S 6th St. #B607, Minneapolis MN 55454
|>   #L      45 01 N / 93 30 W city  
|>   #U
|>   #R	registered
|>   #W	cosar@anatolia.mn.org (Sys Admin); Thu Sep 04 00:30:00 CDT 1992
|>   anatolia	.anatolia.mn.org(LOCAL),
|> 	  tcnet(DIRECT+FAST)
|> 
|> There is no Ahmet Cosar in my 92/93 Mpls phone book, but directory
|> assistance was able to help me (376-7873).  I was also unable to locate
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> a Sedar Argic in my phone book, but directory assistance seemed to find
|> an S. Argic (722-6858).
               ^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmmmm is this a hint??????

|> 
|> People (e.g. Paul Pomes) have tried to contact the postmaster at
|> anatolia.mn.org and he responded by posting a message to
|> news.admin.policy saying that ``Paul Pomes of UIUC.EDU in electronic
|> harrassment business.''
|> 
|> Given that none of these phone numbers are in my phone book, but are in
|> the 411 assistance, I'm assuming, being the nice person I am :), that
|> this Cosar fellow is new to all of this and simply isn't familiar with
|> the netiquette and could use a ``helping hand'' in being pointed at the
|> appropriate introductory documentation.  
|> 
|> On the other hand, he may know what Ardic is doing and may not give a
|> rip.  Alas, the postings are going through uunet, so there really isn't
|> much I can do from a censorship point of view. :-)
|> -- 
|> Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
|> SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
|>                just another elitist Usenet administrator


So is this the part of the story where the strong steelly eyed stranger rides
into town and you start to hear background music from a spagetti western? 
So when does the real shootin' begin? (I love a good Clint Movie.....) or are
you expecting Arnold S. to time warp from the future and and terminate these guys
at 1600 S 6th St. #B607, Minneapolis MN 55454?????
Since there is no "net police" (THANK GOD) what are we supposed to do about it?


Newsgroups: mn.general
From: molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: What is it that you want to learn ``Jason Molenda''?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:48:38 GMT

cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (A. Cosar) writes:

>Send me an e-mail if you want to learn more, if you know how to use
>mail, that is ...

Damn!  I *knew* I couldn't fool everyone much longer.  I meant to
learn, I really did.  Just never got around to it.  Maybe I can take
one of those CIS classes on e-mail.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: derekt@pwcs.stpaul.gov (Derek Terveer)
Subject: Re: UUPC on an 8088?
Organization: City of St. Paul Public Works
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: mn
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:11:54 GMT

Clayton Haapala (clay@haapi.mn.org) wrote:
: A prospective MN.Org member wants to know if he can run UUPC on an
: 8088 Compaq computer.  Any of you UUPC experts out there know if this
: can be done or not?
: clay@haapi.mn.org

Depending on the version of uupc and other unix-mail/news-under-dos
clones, it will probably run on an 8088.  I saw and worked with a
version that ran on the 8086.   However, it may not be very feature
rich, like some of the more powerful versions due to the limitations of
the 8088.

derek
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		Play:	det@hawkmoon.mn.org	+1 612 683 0413
"Big business and big government distract us with entertainment;
 they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: jrc@brainiac.mn.org (Jeffrey Comstock)
Subject: Re: twin cities area PPP sites?
Organization: Sewer of Source Code
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:22:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.072332.5073@hawkmoon.mn.org> det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:
>other public or demi-public sites in the twin cities area running PPP
>software?  Particularly desirable would be public PPP sites on the
>Internet! I know that the "U" (of mn) has at least one SLIP (PPP too?)
>gateway, but you have to work/school there to have access to it and my
>minor UMN connections don't count enough in this regard...

That reminds me - What is the status of MRNet offering internet dialup
services ?  I heard it would be available Jan 93.  What is the projected
pricing schedule ?  (It is about 2 bucks/hour in Michigan and Colorado).

-- 
Jeffrey R. Comstock 
HOME  jrc@brainiac.mn.org
CW    -. .-. ----- -..
Newsgroups: mn.general
From: sdebol@tsp.med.umn.edu (Steven Debol (Nelson))
Subject: Apple monitor for sale
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:40:36 GMT


Hello everyone!

I have a 12" Apple High-Resolution Gray-Scale monitor for sale.
I'm asking $175 or b.o.

I have all original packaging, proof of purchase (it's 2 years
old), etc.

If you don't live too far away I'll even deliver it!

If you're interested, please e-mail or call me at 470-9628 (before
10:00 p.m.).

Thanks!

Steve Debol
University of Minnesota

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