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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Does Paramount read the net?  You bet, and here's evidence....
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current, Paramount Pictures
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct4.011747.28316@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
<Yes, this week in "Realm of Fear" we learn that Paramount does read our
<little postings.  
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<I recall when we first got the Paramount Press Release of the cast and
<crew of "Realm" they conveniently forgot to release the cast details.

No, they didn't forget.  There was an error in the mailing.  Page two of the
next episode was mailed out instead.
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From: flb@lune.berkeley.edu (Frederick Lee Burghardt)
Subject: Re: My Opinion
Reply-To: flb@lune.berkeley.edu (Frederick Lee Burghardt)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.201119.25440@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, W.O. Khan
<Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU> writes:
|> ( maybe a spoiler or two below.  I'm not sure at this point because I'm
|> fixing to bitch, and I haven't decided what I'm going to say yet)
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|> makes me want to yak.  We are expected to believe each week that this
|> crew of near-perfect humans goes to hell back with no long term effects
                                                                        
^^^^^^^^

Come on now, get it right!  Hell AND back.
We'll let it slide this time.
From: henry.lebovic@p1.f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Henry Lebovic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Who was hot on ST: TNG
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:16:41 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
 >    You got the wrong babe.  Michelle Phillips was Picard's old flame
 > in "We'll Always Have Paris"; NOT "Angel One".
 >     The only way to find the name of the babe on "Angel One" would be
 > to go back to a rerun or a videotape, but
 > I don't watch the first season shows that often, and I don't know anyone
 > who does.
 >                             Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@Yale)

This actress is named Karen Montgomery, playing Mistress Beate.

Henry.

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From: CHOFACK@avm.cc.fsu.edu (Charlie Hofacker)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:02:26 EDT


In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowli

>I just thought of something:  Twain's watch should not exist in the 24th Centur
>as it would be infinitely old.  Think about it.  He picks up his watch in
>the future, where it is 500 years old, then leaves it in the cave.  Therefore,
>in the future it must be 1000 years old, then 1500 etc etc.  It's caught in
>a time loop where it has no existence after the 24th century, but must
>logically have infinite age at all points in its existence directly after
>Clemens' time-travel.
>
>In any case, it's a paradox without solution, and they screwed up.  What do
>y'all think?

Time travel inevitably implies paradox.  There is a wonderful scifi book
by Silverberg called Up The Line that involves much thought and fun
dealing with time travel and the resulting paradoxes.

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From: paradis@ERA.COM (Lisa Berkenbilt)
Subject: Re: A question for anyone at Paramount.
Organization: Engineering Research Associates, Vienna, VA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:08:41 GMT

In article <rsvanc00.718316375@mik.uky.edu> rsvanc00@mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance) writes:
>I am writing a story about Capt. Picard's family, and I was
>wondering if any information was available about the official
>names of family members, details about the Picard Manor House
>in France and the Picard Estate.
>
>Any input will be greatly appreciated! :)
>
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I'm not from Paramount, but I do have the following information:

Jean-Luc Picard's brother: Robert
	Robert's wife: Marie
	Robert and Marie's son: Rene

Now, my maternal grandmother's maiden name is Picard.  I have the
family tree dating back to my great-great-great-grandfather.  I can
always give that information :-)  

However, I would appreciate it if someone could provide the details of
my family tree from 1992-2362.  :-)

By combining this information, we would be able to trace ol'
Jean-Luc's family back to BEFORE Times Arrow. :-) :-)

--Lisa
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paradis@ERA.COM                          	|  playing Romulan Invaders!"
				PICARD/RIKER '92
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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:45:58 GMT



   ...spoiler seperation added!



































In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
|> 
|> I just thought of something:  Twain's watch should not exist in the 24th Century
|> as it would be infinitely old.  Think about it.  He picks up his watch in
|> the future, where it is 500 years old, then leaves it in the cave.  Therefore,
|> in the future it must be 1000 years old, then 1500 etc etc.  It's caught in
|> a time loop where it has no existence after the 24th century, but must
|> logically have infinite age at all points in its existence directly after 
|> Clemens' time-travel.
|> 
|> In any case, it's a paradox without solution, and they screwed up.  What do
|> y'all think?
|> 
|> -------
|> Scowling Jim Cowling
|> Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
|> -------

I think you need to watch the show again.  Twain's watch was knocked from
his pocket (hand?) during the opening of the time distortion.  I do agree
though that the watch he retrieved from the Enterprise should have been
aged virtually beyond recognition after deteriorating for 500 years. 
However, if you watch the end of the show, he picks up the watch lying in
the cave and attempts to put it in his watch pocket.  Then, realizing that
there is already a watch there (from the E.) he lays it back down.  Thus,
Twain is left with a 500 year old watch in his pocket.  I guess they used
to make them better back in them days!

Ron
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From: gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN)
Subject: Riker's lust for the Enterprise
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:40:31 GMT


I just saw a rerun episode of "The Best of Both Worlds" last night and
had an interesting thought.  In that episode and at least one other I
can think of off hand, Riker turns down his own command to remain first
officer on the Enterprise.  

At the end of part I, he is in command of the Enterprise and is about to
fire on the Borg vessel even though Picard is aboard and will undoubtedly
get killed.  Relate this to "Time's Arrow" where he fires on the 
Devidians (sp?) even though it would trap Picard in th 19th century.

My thought is this.  What Riker really wants is command of the Enterprise.
And that means Picard has to die for that to happen.  So Riker is 
actually trying to kill Picard himself in a manner that he could get
away with.  (Sounds like he's got some Klingon blood in him).  

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

-Greg
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Time's Arrow II -- will it ever end?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 03:25:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

I think this episode has been talked to death.  May we move on?
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:45:20 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

In article <1992Sep28.110408.5500@gw.wmich.edu>
adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
 
>I have only skimmed this thread but had to comment on the above. I pay for
>cable and everytime a commercial aires I pay *again*.  I pay then *again*
>when I purchase a product 'cuz a % of the purchase price paid for the ad
>that appeared on a cable channel that I paid to watch. God, I have a
>headache.
 
When a commercial airs, you only pay in time, not money.
 
>Another thing, the technology now exists and will be in our homes
>soon where you will be able to watch any given program at any time
>you choose.  Sounds nice, yupper.....but when that happens they will
>own us.
 
The technology has existed for some time.  The big delay is rewiring
every household /c fiber optic cable.  Word to the wise:  if you
get the chance, do so.
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TA2, Halley's Comet
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:16:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.170126.842@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>  
jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:

> Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
> He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
> I doubt he ever got to see.

However, he said in his memoirs, or something, that he would be terribly
dissapointed if he didn't die before Halley's comet came around in 1910.
His theory was that since he was born in the year that Halley's Comet
came, then it would be fitting if he died when it came again.
Sort of a go in with a bang, go out with a bang.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

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From: rsvanc00@mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers] You have it all wrong! *The 
    WATCH*
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:07:04 GMT

In <92273.57746.CHOFACK@avm.cc.fsu.edu> CHOFACK@avm.cc.fsu.edu (Charlie Hofacker) writes:


>In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowli

>>I just thought of something:  Twain's watch should not exist in the 24th Centur
>>as it would be infinitely old.  Think about it.  He picks up his watch in
>>the future, where it is 500 years old, then leaves it in the cave.  Therefore,
>>in the future it must be 1000 years old, then 1500 etc etc.  It's caught in
>>a time loop where it has no existence after the 24th century, but must
>>logically have infinite age at all points in its existence directly after
>>Clemens' time-travel.
>>
>>In any case, it's a paradox without solution, and they screwed up.  What do
>>y'all think?

>Time travel inevitably implies paradox.  There is a wonderful scifi book
>by Silverberg called Up The Line that involves much thought and fun
>dealing with time travel and the resulting paradoxes.

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>Charlie              -\<,                                   _
>Hofacker_ _ _ _ _ _  O/ O  _ _  _   _    _     _     -

No, no no no! You Eeediot! You Feelthy Wurm! You fat bloated sacks of
Protoplasm!

Anyway, Capt. Ren Hoek aside, Twain did NOT, I repeat, DID NOT create
a paradox from occuring with the watch. If you will recall, he found
his 500 year old watch inside Geordi's workroom, (why he did not recover
the Colt .45 found from Time's Arrow I, I do not know) so he has his
original watch back left 500 years previous from the cavern. When he
was with the paramedics and getting Guinan to a hospital, he found the
original watch left to be left behind. He was ABOUT to pocket it, but
he realized he would be severly altering future history by not making
sure that it was left behind so that he COULD recover it 500 years later.

Like Data's head, his original watch is behind in the cave, to be
found 500 years later.

And the watch he has currently, and might get to work with a little
coaxing from a friendly watch repairman is the 500 year old watch found
by Data's head and recovered by him, aboard the Enterprise.

A little note. When I saw Guinan meet Picard for the first time,
what went through my mind the most was the soft incidential background
music from "Back to the Future", y'know, where Marty meets all of his
future relatives in 1955. :) I had thought that Time's Arrow II was
a remarkably told story with just that bit of Trek humor! :)

Responses are welcomed, flames will be forwarded to /dev/null ;)

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QUOTE: "I'll watch some TV, it'll help me to RELAX!"
              -Ren Hoek

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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 16:24:44 MST
From: <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Actors choose favourite episodes

THE ACTOR'S NAME WHO PORTRAYED HARRY MUDD IS ROGER C. CARMEL.
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From: lahaye@reg.triumf.ca (RAYMOND GABIN , TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Subject: re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:59:00 GMT

In article <g92n3258.29.718030130@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes...
>I apologize for having said the time branch _theory_.  Okay - notion is more 
>suitable.
> 
>Now I sticking to paradoxes and only paradoxes (for this was the only thing 
>I was considering when I wrote my previous post) these can be pushed out by 
>the time branch _notion_.  I agree that if you were to believe in time as 
>being a straight line with no off-shoots, branches etc, it will lead to 
>problems - one can't go back and kill yourself - PARADOX.  But please tell 
>me how one gets a paradox if one were to follow this notion through?
> 
>I'm not considering causality or any other reason for it to be impossible 
>yet.  I'm just focussing on paradoxes.
> 
>Any explanation as to why paradoxes would still result would be appreciated,
>Thanks,
>Ryan.
	Time travel can be looked at from two basic directions: the first is
that one can go back into the past, and change it. This is when we have the
paradox, say the man who returns to kill his own father, and succeeds.  So does
he exist afterward ? The second way to look at time is that anything that
happens in the past cannot be changed.  If someone actually travels back in
time, and acts on events, those events were thus already acted on.  The paradoc
disappears: a man who returns into the past to kill his own father will either
1- kill his father after having been conceived ( the " shit! I got the time
zones wrong" thery) 0r 2- he will fail to kill his father ( the " shit ! I
missed again" theory).  If the time traveller fails to realize that he /she was
in the past at some time, it is because, either the interactions of the
traveller with events of the past were not recorded, or that his/her
identification as a time traveller was never made, hence no record from a
person-from-the-future was made. There!! Who said time travel could not be
understood! Bye.
From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's Age (was: re: "Time's Arrow, possible spoilers")
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:43:57 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <4DDsRB6w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>
>> Why is it hard to believe that Picard has technical skill? You don't get 
>> to be the captain of a Galaxy class starship (the Enterprise at that) for 
>> being an idiot. Picard is in his mid-60's and has been galloping around 
>> space for about that last 40 years of his life. He probably learned at 
>> least a few things in that time.
>> 
>Absolutely right!  And Picard has shown that he's familiar with binary code
>before, in 1101011... or whatever string of numbers they used for the title
>of that show.  However, he's in his mid-50's not his mid-60's.  Just because
>he's bald don't assume he's older than he really is!  :-)
>
>Kellie M-S
>internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
I could be completely wrong here (please don't flame me...), but I was
under the impression that Picard was a lot older than that - able to
reach a high age because of increased medical skill etc

Mark
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: FTP Site: ftp.coe.montana.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:00:52 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <66887@cup.portal.com>, Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
|> I just logged onto vab02.larc.nasa.gov, and noticed that the STARTREK
|> archives are now at ftp.coe.montana.edu. Ok, fine. But they limit the number
|> of anonymous users to 1! I have tried all night long, and there has not been
|> a time where I could log on.
|> 
|> If the archives are going to be at ftp.coe.montana.edu, then they should
|> allow more than one person to access them at a time. It isn't very useful if
|> we can't get to it!
|> 
oI guess your are unlucky, I tried it, first time in and transfering
gifs now.
From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:41:02 GMT
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
From: rsvanc00@mik.uky.edu (Miles B. Dyson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "A Matter Of Time"
Keywords: Who cares about Spoilers? It's SYNDICATED! :*)
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:54:45 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I wonder if Picard hadn't sent the good professor "Ma-Ma-Ma-Max Headroom"
back to the 22nd century, if he was altering the development of his future.

If so, it would have been interesting to watch the communicators, phasers
and tricorders either altered or altered from existance.

And did anyone else catch the rather horrid puns that "AMOT" was making
on the show "Ren & Stimpy"? Think about it. Ren & Stimpy drop in from
a black hole. Max Headroom drops in as equally impressive. Ren & Stimpy
are boarding a inter-dimensional time bus headed for New Jersey but get
off just in time. Data boards an inter-dimensional time bus headed for
New Jersey, but he gets off just in time. Ren & Stimpy implode. The ship,
well.......:*)

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              RSVANC00@mik.uky.edu (NeXT Mail)
              RSVANC00@ukpr.uky.edu
              RSVANC00@ukcc.uky.edu
 
QUOTE: "I'll watch some TV, it'll help me to RELAX!"
              -Ren Hoek
 
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER] (Pips shit)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bvo08A.C2q
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Oct5.184237.18059@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes...
>In article <BvMnqM.Ao0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:

>I'll take a close look at this myself tonight, so yes, maybe he has been
>promoted, but I wouldn't think to another CPO.  Since one hollow pip
>seems most logically to be directly beneath ensign, how about Warrant 
>Officer?

     O'Brien WILL be promoted from CPO to Chief Operations Officer
     on DS9.  Since the two shows are filming concurrently now,
     and the costume Meaney was wearing probably came from DS9
     wardrobe (since Meaney is a mjor character over there)... the
     new open pip could be indicative of his new rank over there...

     and simply be an oversight here, since what is being filmed
     at DS9 now doesn't happen for another six months by TNG
     reckoning...

     So again his rank could be a costuming error... but it does
     clearly show that O'Brien _IS_ supposed to be a noncom.

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Questions on Time's Arrow
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <2021.406.uupcb@the_matrix.com> michael.davidson@the_matrix.com (Michael Davidson) writes:
>
>JB.Question 1)  I understand how Data knows it's 42 *North*.  Equators
>  .can be defined.  But I thought that east and west lines were
>  .subjective.
>
>Nope. They're measured east and west of the prime meridian.

Good.  Now locate the prime meridian on planet sigma 6.

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From: harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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Subject: Re: About Barkley...
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:04:09 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <BvEutt.6pA@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor) writes:
> 
> Does anyone else wonder if Lt. Barkley went to the academy on the Kevin
> Riley schlarship?
> 
> 
> Heh, heh.
> 

Dear Friends:

Did anyone notice that tonight it was a Barkley episode, e.g. everyone else had
the week off?  Maybe this is what happens when you have an ex-A-Team guest
star.  Next week George Pepard meets Mr. T as Warf's brother in "Cigars in the
Mist."


Stay Tuned! 


Love,

Ali Spaerk



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