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From: tech@donald.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Don't give up on the Bills.
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct12.161805.20265
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <1992Oct11.020156.23865@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>I feel really sorry for the Raiders secondary after the whupping they shall
>occur on Sunday.  The Bills have a history of having a bad defeat followed by
>a severe thumping of the following opponent (does anyone remember the merciful
>42-6 win over Indianapolis last year?).  

I know. Poor Raiders. 
 
>Bills fans or Bills haters, any comments, questions about the Bills?
>Just mail me anything if you want a direct response....

Just one comment; They lost again. 
>
>FROM AN AVID BILLS FAN (I.E. i LIVE AND DIE BY THEM)

I hope he meant that.


Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:59:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.034021.29240@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.021646.1975@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>>
>>>The Eagles might have more talent, but they don't have the winning tradition 
>>>that the Niners possess in big time games.

What's with this "winning tradition" crap? Ask the Packers how much a
"winning tradition" did for them in the '70s, or ask the Steelers how
much it did for them in the '80s.

>Again, stats do not mean squat shit on Sunday. Do you
>understand that concept?

No, I don't. I've got a Master's degree in statistics, and you'll have a
hard time convincing *ME* that statistics don't mean squat shit. Sure, they
only tell part of the story, but don't try to tell me they are meaningless.

>>Now, what does it all mean? Not a hell of a lot. Both the 49ers and Eagles 
>>will make the playoffs, and then all the stats go out the window. Head to 
>>head I'd say the two teams are pretty evenly matched, but right now I'd
>>give the nod to the Eagles, although the 49ers certainly have an
>>excellent chance of beating them.
>>
>The first sign of common sense by you Bob.

Well, at least that puts me ahead of you :-)

>The Niners have as good a chance as any team out there and I would
>pick them over the Eagles any day soley because they Niners know how
>to play pressure games and have proved this during the last ten
>years.

Let me get this straight. Since the 49er players of the '80s were able to
excel in the pressure games, the 49er players of the '90s (an almost
entirely different cast of characters, mind you, including the coaches)
are automatically endowed with that capability. Is that how it works?
Come on! Past success does not guarantee future success; again, ask the
Packers and the Steelers.

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Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: UNDEFEATED!!!!
Keywords: Miami, How good are they? 
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:17:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.164547.20482@cs.ucf.edu>, tech@donald.cs.ucf.edu (Tony
Travaglini) writes:
> 
> Will we go 16-0?? Fat fucking chance. But it sure feels good to
> still be able to dream. There is no way this Dolphins team will
> go undefeated as the only team they have really pasted has been
> flo. The other teams have been beaten by a competent and lucky
> Fins. But they are winning and I have to say I am happy as shit.  

I agree, they may have had some luck but a win is a win.
They aren't getting much respect but they keep winning.
> 
> .........................
> 
> In case anyone out there is so stupid as to ask;"Who can beat the
> Fins"? Let me just say... The jets. The colts... Yes the colts..
> The jets, no matter how much they suck always play the fins tough.
> The colts, no matter how much better the fins are, may actually win
> one this year. And of course with the next bills game the schedule
> begins. Any of the late games could be losses. But here we are in
> the middle of October and still undefeated. 

Well you probably ought to include the patriots as well now, but
the dolphins should be favored to beat all the AFC EAST teams, but 
on any sunday any team can lose to any other team.
(This is getting a little cliched)
> 
> Tony (go new england) Travaglini
Well I was going to post a similar article along somewhat similar lines
and here it is.

So Far

A Miami 27 - Cleveland 23        (2-3)
H Miami 26 - Los Angeles Rams 10 (2-3)
A Miami 19 - Seattle 17          (1-4)
A Miami 37 - Buffalo 10          (4-2)
H Miami 21 - Atlanta 17          (2-4)
------------------------------------
       130          177          11-16

The teams Miami have beaten are middle of the road (generally) 
certainly all the wins are respectable.

Games left are against:
New England (2-A/H), Indianapolis (2-A/H), Jets (2-A/H), Buffalo (1-H)
Los Angeles Raiders (H), Houston Oilers (H)
San Francisco (A), New Orleans (A) 

The Dolphins should be competitive in each remaining game.
They are almost a lock for a playoff berth, 4 more wins should get
a wild card.  After last years choke I will have to see it
to believe it.  I think this team is better than the 1990 team
and while it doesn't pile up the offensive stats they do have a
very strong offense that can play ball control. The defense is
good enough to keep them in any game.  The big tests for this
team (assuming they remain healthy) will be the Raiders and the
Saints, this isn't knocking the other teams but the Raiders and
Saints are teams that play styles of football that historically
match up well against Miami (i.e. they're the most physical)

Richard Turner
The dolphins may not be God's gift to football but they are 5-0-0.
From: kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:57:37 GMT
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Oct15.220119.1049@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
> 
> >> The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
> >> in a single game by any team in NFL history.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >	This is a mistake. The Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0
> >in the 1940 NFL Championship game.
> 
> If the 73-0 score was in a playoff, it wouldn't be a regular-season
> record, now would it?  So the record may well be 72 points.

	Look at what it says. "Single game." Not regular season game. This
implies that the person meant any game played by two NFL teams that is
considered official. This would leave out pre-season games, but include
post-season.

					Ken Crist
					kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GIANTS blow another one
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:34:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct6.155939.3094@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, wag1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.wagley) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.142813.28801@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr) writes:
>> In article <91744@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>> > 
>> > Mark Collins does his BEST impression of Everson Walls and trying to make 
>> > "the big play" gives the Raiders an easy touchdown (and to a guy coming off
>> > a hamstring injury).
>> > 
>> 
>> Oh come on now.  If Collins comes up with that, you would have 
>> called him the greatest back the Giants ever had.  What the Giants
>> need right now is someone to be a little aggressive, and that's 
>> exactly what he was doing.  If the same situation came up next
>> week I would hope he would do the same thing, go for the int.
> 
> What a load of crap! Wasn't it third down and 17?
> 
> Third down and long in Raider territory. Knock the damn ball down!
> You'll most likely  get it back on the next play. Going for the
> interception was a mistake. 
> 
> 				Doug

	The Giants always played an aggressive defense in their glory years.
They go for the pix all the time.  Collins did the right thing.  It cost them a
game here, but you are wrong, the Giants need big plays.  They area dying team,
and Collins is doing his best to turn things around.
	-Skins fan that thinks Rypien is over rated.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on yesterday's games
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:50:23 GMT

In article <27000119@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> divitt@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Divitt) writes:
>
>>Even as a 49er fan, I still have to admit that Randall is probably a
>>better overall quarterback. But no QB is better at running the ball
>>than Steve Young. He may be the best running quarterback of all time.
>
>  Er, Nope.  I think you got that exactly backwards.  Young is the better
>  throwing quarterback, but Randall is the better running quarterback.
>  Randall is really a running back who happens to be able to throw the 
>  ball well.  Young is the classic scrambler, so he is more a "pure" 
>  quarterback.
>

Hmmmm, homey don't think so! ESPN and the game announcers
have all alluded to the fact that Young is really a fullback
who happens to be a quarterback (based on how he runs with the
ball).  Cunningham, is, IMHO, just a scrambler, solely
because he has "happy feet". His first instinct is to run
whereas, Young is NOW beginning to get away from running
first. Besides, Cunningham is too gangly to be a running
back.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Revenge week? 
Keywords: Cowboys bills
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 12:06:01 GMT

	Since what were considered two of the top teams got blown
out last week (Bills & cowboys), does anybody feel sorry for the
raiders or seahawks? Who do the bears play? How do raiders & seahawk
fan's feel?
	Just some idle musings while trying out new posting sw.

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: UNDEFEATED!!!!
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:55:03 GMT

Allow me to play Devil's Avocado here for a while --

rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>[...] offense that can play ball control. The defense is
>good enough to keep them in any game.  

Well, three blown leads make you wonder about these two statements,
don't they?  What struck me in the Cleveland game was that if the Fins
scored a TD on a couple of occasions where they ended up with FG's (or
a fumble) then they put the game away in the 3rd quarter and we don't
need no stinking comeback.  Same thing, I think, against Seattle and
Atlanta.  Yesterday they make Stoyanovich attempt and miss two 50
yarders -- again, if they gain 10 more yards on each of those two
possessions, then the whole game looks different and they cruise to
the win.  (I didn't see the game; but in general, that would mean not
only 3 points but also a kickoff and maybe a your opponent has a
10-yard worse field position.)

>[...] the Raiders and the Saints, this isn't knocking the other teams 

The rest of the season looks like so: Four supposedly easy games --
Pats, two Colts and Jets -- any of which could be an ambush loss;
then, five very tough mothers: Bills and Oilers at home, Saints and
Niners on the road, Raiders again at home; and the grand finale, Jets
at home and Pats in the snow.  I'd hate to need to win those last two.

I've seen enough of the 49ers to think that they would be the toughest
game.  Come December, the Niner offense will be a very perfect machine
and it'll take the same kind of effort that we had in Buffalo just to
contain them.  Their defensive secondary is getting a lot of abuse,
but it's getting better.

The Bills, Oilers and Niners will test the Fins pass defense to the
limit.  It worked a week ago in Buffalo, but remains to be seen if it
wasn't a fluke.  I'm certainly glad to see the INT and sack numbers,
though.


--Gidi  (go macpherson)
From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Miami WIns!  Bills Lose!  Eagles Lose!  49ers Escape! Giants too...
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:06:39 GMT


>Looks like the Bills just plainly suck.  Losing to Raiders by 17 points!
Shheeesh, even the Giants only lost by 3....

>Miami had a close one and I think/hope it brought them back to Earth
>after they destroyed Buffalo.  I think the pats and the Colts will be
>tough.  I know they will win, but they just have to stay focused!

>Eagles lose, making Miami the only undefeated team!

Just a point of interest, I was at the Giants game sunday (with GREAT SEATS) 
and on the side scoreboard under the announcers booth they were running the 
scores from the other games, and the crowd was going WILD when the Eagles 
scores were shown.  Several persons around me agreed that the best thing 
that could happend during the day would be that the Eagles LOSE! 

P.S.  Did anyone catch my "SCORE - GIANTS PLUCK THE CARDS" sign on CBS?

>49ers 
looked like they had it pretty rough against the Pats!

This game also caused quite a stir amongst the crowd as well, but of course 
the real glory was the GIANTS KICKING ASS for a change.

If I remember correctly last time we played the cards HOSS was QB and made 2 
TD's himself.  He made one of the TD's yesterday too.  (where I was sitting, 
it looked like he got tackled INTO the end zone)

AND one of my predictions came about, I said "Look for Ed McCaffrey in the 
End zone, and voi-la, there he was!

What an exciting game for Giants fans.  Then again the Cards are the real 
DUCKS (not the raiders) - [reference to Pepper Johnsons comments on the loss 
to the raiders]

>Mike
>The Dolfan Mike

So Mike you must be psyched for your team, dont wet your pants now....

Cheers,
Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:18:59 GMT

collins@gdwest.gd.com (Gary J. Collins) writes:

>        Jeez.  All that hoopla over a mildly exceptional
>	performance.  It, however, does not compare to Doug
>	Williams performance in '88.  Monster yards.  Monster.

   Actually, Williams threw for only 72 yards more than Simms (340 vs 268).
Remember this... Williams 'monster' performance is sandwitched between
two Montana performances (357 and 331) in the record book.

>	And, no.  I'm not a Redskin fan.  In fact, I despise the
>	East; NFC, that is.

This is probably because you recognize NFC East superiority and are jealous
of it...

>	Simms' game is not that notable to warrant best or one
>	of the best ever in any playoff/championship game.
>	Puleeeeezzzzz.

Except that no other QB in the history of the NFL has a higher single
game completion percentage in the post season.

>	Gary John
-- 
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From: mark@totaltec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:18:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Total Tec Systems, Inc.

> Geesh! You call yourself a Niner FAN! :-)  I saw the same game you
> did, I think, and although the score indicates a rout, it was more
> of a "failure to communicate", RE: the Cowpokes didn't know what was
> going on. They were caught with their pants down. Aikman was truly
> awful and his offense was equally up to task. Their defense was
> running around with one boot half on and hopping around like drunken 
> cowboys.  The defense for the Eagles turned the game around for
> them. If Cunningham has those kind of stats against the Niners, it
> will not be enough.  The Eagles will have to play their BEST game to
> beat the Niners in my opinion. Although I am not a 100% Young fan,
> he has now begun to settle down more, rather than run. When he does
> run though, it is usually for good yardage. In observing Cunningham
> last night, his first instinct is to "tuck" the damn ball in and
> run.  This type of QB is never going t win a SB, if it does, it will
> be the first. 
>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	

Get a life John. Quit spewing your 49ers are gods gift shit. I'm presonally
sick of it. The Eagles offense had a off game, but it just goes to show you
that even when they do they still win by 24 points! As far as Young goes
I can't wait to see a linebacker hand him his head one of these days. The
way he runs around out there is obscene! And talk about just running with
the ball... I saw a clip on ESPN that was suppose to highlite his running
skills but all I saw was a quarterback that "tucks" the ball when a running
back (44 Rathman) was wide open 10 yards down the field. In case you haven't
noticed Randall is the top rated passer in the NFL, ahead of the AlMighty
Young. Why don't you get a real perspective on what you are talking about
before you post trash like that.

Mark Remeta
GO EAGLES!!!
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:05:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct15.220535.1755
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct15.180156.17796@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

	[ ... ]

>I'm not saying I think Majkowski is a better QB.  Just that I would 
>give him another chance.  It's better to know for sure whether he can 
>come back or not.  I originally thought Holmgren would not return 
>Majkowski to the starting QB spot.  Holmgren is a bottom line guy - 
>you produce or you're gone.  But Holmgren is talking like Majkowski 
>will be the starter when he returns.  This will be his last chance.  
>I guess we'll see.

Not to quibble or anything, but Majkowski could get another chance
if Favre gets injured.  Someone predicted that Majik would be
waived rather than retained as a backup, but I don't see Green Bay
letting Majkowski go before the end of the season with Detmer as
the only backup.  Too many teams go through more than two QBs in a
season due to injuries.  I guess Dilweg's available, though.

-- 
	Don't waste your time waving your hands
	and hoping when a rock or a club will do.

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brennan Kraje)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,cmu.misc.market
Subject: Monday Night FB TIX SALE
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:20:35 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I have two (2) corporate box seats for the Pittsburgh Steelers vs.
Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football, October 19th @ 7 p.m.  I
know theses are corporate box seats because I have sat in these seats
during the Giants and Jets games, and most everyone around my date and I
were twice as old as us.
    The seats are in section 443, Row E, Seats 12 & 13 (see the front of
the yellow pages for the stadium's diagram).  These are beautiful seats
right on the 40 yard line behind the opposing team's bench.  They are
covered, but this does not affect the view @ all...they are great seats.
    Normally, football tickets are $25 each, but these are $30 each face
value.  I paid $90 for them.  I will entertain any offers between $60
and ?, and will post again to these bboards when the tickets are sold.
    The game may be far away, but I want to dump these tickets now to
buy hockey ones.  Respond to me @ nk0s.

                                                    - Brennan 
                                                      nk0s
  
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: question to Pats fans re: Veris
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:19:28 GMT

There was an article in one of the bay area papers this week
that talked about Garin Veris.  In it, he alludes to some bad
feeling he has about Patriots org., especially Jankovich who
publicly disparaged Veris' play.

"You have to recognize that some people drive the bus and some ride
on the bus.  At this stage, Garin Veris is the one who rides on the
bus."  - Jankovich

There was another comment that made it seem like Veris had other
problems with Pats than managagement, in that he thinks he might
go out of bounds 'a few extra yards' this week during the game.
I suspect bad, muddy writing as I have played bball a number of
tiems with Veris and have found him to be a really good guy, - not
to mention an incredible athlete.

Pats fans - has Garin had problems with other players on Patriots
or is this just the usual bad reporting job?  A problem with
management would be expected, big deal, but I can't imagine him
not getting along with other players.

BTW, the papers say Veris will get a lot of playing time this week
due to absence of Roberts(of course) and Harris and Fagan being
nicked up somewhat.

Mike
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From: bob@david.wheaton.edu (Bob)
Subject: Dolphins Scores...
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:06:50 GMT

hi.

does any dol-fan [or others for that matter] have the pre-season scores for
miami games?  also for the regular season rams game ?

if so, please send them or post them, id be much obliged...

thanx

bob
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and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a  
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From: rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott)
Subject: Re: wanted
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.212343.1468@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_phillipsra@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>wanted 2 tickets to eagles vs. cowboys on Nov. 1
>

There Is A Ticket Agency Called "First Row Tickets" In Dallas...
(214) 750-7555.. Expect To Pay An Outrageous Price For Tickets..

ras...
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