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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:46:02 EST
From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: More books and films

I think there are further reasons for the EC's caution.  Economic integration
is a difficult item for the EC at the present time, and much in the EC seems
to be done by consensus.  Thus, the Greek support for Serbia would create an
open rift if the majority were to move.

A removable but serious danger has been created by the Serbian threats to the
UN troops there.  Most UN troops are conscripts and unlike the mercenary
French Foreign Legion, do not accept death as a normal part of their service.
Military interventions and losses would probably be difficult politically.

Ed Haupt (just some more opinions)
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:08:10 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      strictly films and books

Scott, in an earlier posting objected to the indiscriminate use of the
"reply" key to alter subjects of discussion.  He is right. Let's observe
this protocol.

Under this new subject heading I would like to ask the person who
originally posted the request for books and films on central Europe
to summarize the responses he/she received, if those are available,
for those of us interested.

Many thanks,
.....Laci
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From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      Re: Books and Films Suggestions

Adding to Hugh Agnew's selections:

Books: Bohumil Hrabal is one of the most interesting Czech writers, and
some of his books are available in English. I read parts of Paul Wilson's
translation of his "I served the King of England" and it was very good.
I think "Too loud a solitude" also came out in English.
I doubt Jakub Deml has has been translated; he's a remarkable persona,
very unusual stuff, somewhat mystical (he was a Catholic priest).
Vladimir Paral is rather famous; I have read most of his stuff
but "Lovers and murderers" is the best (I don't think it's been
translated). And then Capek, of course. "The War with the Newts" is
available in English. I like everything he's written.

Of the contemporary Slovak writers I like Dusan Mitana.
I absolutely loved a book called
"Rivers of Babylon" by Peter Pis't'anek (the title is in English, the
book is in Slovak); came out in 1990 or 1991.


Films: Just about any by Forman: Loves of one Blonde, Black Peter, etc;
Ivo Passer's films (I don't recall any titles). Ve'ra Chytilova is
quite famous, although I never developed taste for her films. Then there
is a handful of great films about the medieval ages; I don't recall
the names, perhaps someone else can remember. Menzel's "My little
Village" (Dedinka ma strediskova) is a mildly pale but recognizable
portrayal of the eighties.

Of the Slovak directors,
Jakubisko is the most famous; "Same age as Christ" ("Kristove roky")
comes to mind. The film "Shops Downtown" (Obchody na Korze) is a must.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:24:56 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More books and films

Henry Kucera says that there is a reluctance -- perhaps justified -- on
the part of the Europeans to participate in the problems in Bosnia.

CAn someone explain to me the reasons for the reluctance -- and the
justification for that reluctance.

Perhaps I do not know the facts, but I find it difficult to understnad
why Europeans are reluctant to become involved in what appears obviously
to be a European problem.  Is part of the reason...  Wait... I will not
speculate.  Instead I will wait for the responses.

Thank you.


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From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films (Stop it !

>Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 19:49:12 by Gottfried Mayer-Kress
>
> I don't want to see any more "Re: Books and Films" posting in this
>mailing list!
>
>
> ---
>Gottfried Mayer-Kress

Jawohl! (Has anything changed since 1939?)  H.K.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:31:49 EST
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More books and films

 The reluctance of the Europeans to intervene militarily in the former
Yugoslavia seems to be based on a general fear of a messy Balkan war. The
Germans are aware, I am sure, that Nazi Germany had 30 divisions in Yugoslavia
in WW2 and did not accomplish all that much (but a lot of killing went on).
That is not to say that the reluctance is necessarily justified under present
circumstances. However, I would like to know more about the rumors (?), for
example, that the Greeks (a NATO country) are sympathizing with the Serbs (for
 complex reason of Balkan politics, e.g. vis-a-vis Turkey), that Romanian
 volunteers are fighting in the Serbian Army, etc. All these may be just
 rumors, but there seem to be real dangers. Moreover, the role of the Russian
generals in a larger Balkan War should not be dismissed lightly.
  On the other hand, there are of course opposite dangers, namely that the
relative neglect of the Yugoslav situation may yet lead to worse
 consequences (in addition to the humanitarian tragedies), such as a Kosovo
massacre.

  Humanly it seems simple but militarily it is probably very tricky.

Henry Kucera (just a layman's opinion)
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:20:48 GMT
From:         Moss Madden <JU39@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      projection of the effects of US intervention in Bosnia

Please criticise this projection if I am naive.
1) US attacks Serbs in Bosnia and/or Serbia
2) Serbia attacks Kosovo and Macedonia
3) Greece and Bulgaria invade Macedonia
4) Turkey invades Macedonia
5) CIS Red Army invades Turkey
6) WWIII

Moss Madden
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:34:46 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More books and films

I have seen and heard repeated references to hate.  It is alledged that
(somebody) has hated (somebody else) for 100 years or 500 years or 1000
years.

I don't know anyone that has hated anybody for 100 years, let alone 500
or 1,000 years.  I do know that some people have been TAUGHT to hate other
people.  And history demonsrates that people are only too willing to be
TAUGHT TO HATE.  And other people BENEFIT from TEACHING PEOPLE TO HATE.

Would someone explain to me when it is GOOD for one people to teach hate
for another people?  When is it good in ANY way:  moral, ethical, economic,
political, or whatever way you want to talk about.

History provides too many examples of when it has been BAD for one people to
teach hate for another people.  In fact, I can think of some examples when
the VICTIMS OF HATE became haters of others.

I don't expect to get any responses to this message, but I will keep trying...
Perhaps only in the next life will people replace hate with respect.
And, yes, even love...

george bauer
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:53:37 -0500
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      RE: Czech and Slovak Embassies
              Knypstra" at Dec 21, 92 10:02 am

Sytse Knypstra writes:
>
> In his article from Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:35:41 GMT,
> Lubosh <ljh655@CSCGPO.ANU.EDU.AU> writes:
>
> > Am I going to conclude that there already are different ambassadors in
> > Turkey for the Czech Republic and for the Slovak Republic ? As far as I
> > know the current ambassador of the CSFR to Australia is staying until the
> > end of June until when the conduct of foreign affairs will be finally
> > resolved. And when I look at the figures just here in Australia it's
> > going to cost a lot of money...
> > I'd appreciate if somebody knows more...
> > Lubosh
>
> I would like to know who, apart from mr Jan Szelepcsenyi,
> has been appointed as an ambassador for the Slovak Republic.
> Maybe one of our Slovak contributors to the list could tell us?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sytse Knypstra.

    Here in Canada, Anton Hykisch is accredited as the CSFR ambassador
until Jan 1, when he becomes the ambassador of Slovakia.
  the deal so far is that in certain areas of the world, the
ambassador for the Czech republic will handle Slovak affairs until
separate embassies are established.  That is to say, Hykisch will be
in charge of Czech affairs here until the Czechs set up their own
embassy and move out.
   In Washington it is the opposite.  Michael Zantofsky is the CSFR
ambassador Until Jan 1, when he becomes Czech ambassador accredited
also for Slovak affairs. There will be a Slovak charge d'affaires who
will work on setting up a separate Slovak embassy.   However, at the
UN there will only be a Slovak ambassador for a while.
  Many embassies in the remoter parts of the world will be closed,
thus saving some money.  In other parts, there will NOT be separate
embassies for a long time... just mutual agreements.  Remember that
the CSSR and CSFR had about as many embassies as the major world
powers, because they were largely financed by the KGB.  Where Russians
were mistrusted, it was felt that the StB could be used more easily.
A lot of the diplomats from the smaller but sensitive (to the
Russians) areas in Africa, South America and Asia will now be
reassigned, which means we lucky people in the West will get a lot of
well-trained Soviet-oriented spies at our embassy cocktail parties.


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Ed,
you might try Michael Miller of the Ger-Rus list which concentrates on
Germans in Bessarabia, among other things. The following post might help:

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From:         "Michael M. Miller" <NU021140@VM1.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Germans from Russia (Ger-Rus) ListServ on electronic mail

Happy Holidays!  We are still developing our new ListServ for the
Germans from Russia established via the North Dakota State University
Computer Center, Fargo, North Dakota.

I am interested to know who is reading this ListServ and if it is reaching
our electronic mail readers throughout America.  The reason for the
establishment for the ListServ is the growing need to have immediate
communications with family historians and Germans from Russia researchers
throughout the world.  The development of the ListServ comes from NDSU
since the Germans from Russia Heritage Collection is one of the largest
ethnic collections on the German-Russians in America.  The other two
large collections are at the American Historical Society of Germans from
Russia, 631 D Street, Lincoln, NE 68502 and at the Germans from Russia
Russia Heritage Society, 1008 E. Central Avenue, Bismarck, ND 58501.  We
are the official repository for GRHS established in 1978.  Our collection
concentrates in the Black Sea and Bessarabian Germans.  The heritage makes
up a major ethnic population in North Dakota.

I will be interviewed on Prairie Public Television, Fargo, ND which is carried
throughout North Dakota, Winnipeg, Manitoba, parts of Minnesota and South
Dakota.  The program is called Prairie News Journal - 8pm Friday, 20
December and 5pm Sunday, 22 December 1991.  In Fargo it is Channel 13 -
Prairie Public TV.  For persons not able to view the program we will have
video tapes available.

I will be interviewed regarding the letters from Russia that we have been
receiving since June of 1991 from our Soviet German people.

I am interested to know who is out there reading the ListServ with German-
Russian ethnic interests.

Michael M. Miller
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Fargo, ND 58105-5599
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Tel: 701-237-8416 (ndsu)
Tel: 701-293-5564 (home)
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Gerhard Rempel
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:10:24 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Books and Films

Also try "Music Box" takes place in Hungary.
Laci Pook
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:26:30 EST
From:         Ed Haupt <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films

And Jiri Musil recently died, right?
        Ed Haupt
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:27:22 -0500
From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More books and films

Laci:

The American Marines seem to have broken the cycle of clan violence against
innocent people in Somalia...

I'm not usually in favor of force, but a combination of MIGHT AND RIGHT is
a forceful combination.

george bauer
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:21:50 CST
From:         Marcie Richie <RICHIMW@NSCVM1.NETWORK.COM>
Subject:      Books and Films

Gail's note prompts me to ask her and others for suggestions of books
and videos by Middle Europeans that they have enjoyed. It would be
nice to have some new ideas for reading and viewing in the coming year.
Thanks in advance.

Marcia W. Richie  marcie.richie@network.com
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:34:46 EDT
From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Request for information about archives
              29 Dec 1992 16:49:43 EST from <haupt@PILOT.NJIN.NET>

Further on Ed Haupt's interest in the Bukovina and Cernauti (Chernovtsy,
Czernowitz -- btw, this is the German spelling I am familiar with).

The Bukovina (lying in the eastern foothills of the Carpathians, adjoining
Bessarabia) was nominally part of the Ottoman Empire, as part of the
principality of Moldavia, until in 1769 it was occupied by the Austrians.
They annexed it in 1775, but treated it as part of their portion of the
Polish partitions, Galicia, until 1849, when it was separated and given its
own crownland status as the Duchy of Bukovina.  In 1918, following the
collapse of Austria-Hungary, the Bukovina joined (voluntarily?) Romania as
a province.

During World War II, in 1940, Bukovina and Bessarabia were taken by the Soviet
Union following an ultimatum to the Romanian government, under the terms of the
secret protocol to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of 1939.  From 1941 to 1944,
however, the territory was occupied by German and Romanian forces during their
war with the Soviet Union.  Following Romania's flip-flop in August 1944, an
armistice agreement with the Soviet Union ceded Northern Bukovina including
Czernowitz, and Bessarabia back to the USSR, leaving Southern Bukovina in
Romania.  Now Chernovtsy and its region, having been a separate _oblast_ of
the Ukrainian SSR, form part of independent Ukraine.

Ed, this should give you some pretty headaches:  isn't it possible that the
archives of the University are in Bucuresti?  Or even Kiev, Moscow, or still
in Czernowitz itself?  Or that they were destroyed during this chequered
history?  Let us know what happens!

Sincerely,

Hugh Agnew (AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET)
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:29:00 EST
From:         Scott Smith <SMITHSR@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      courtesy in following network conventions for subject lines

Recently I have deleted a whole batch of mideur-l messages headed with a
"books and films" subject line, as the first few exchanges on that topic
didn't interest me.  Now I see that people are discussing other issues
altogether under that "subject", some of which DO in fact interest me.

I'd like to ask contributors to the list to put appropriate subject lines
on their messages.   I realize it is easier to simply use "Answer" or
"Reply" than to type out the list address and enter a subject line, but it
isn't consistent with the principle of honestly advertising your
contribution.

Many of us get so many messages every day that we use subject line
information to decide whether to read or delete a message.

Thank you, and happy new year to all.

Scott

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Subject:      Maps of parts of the Ukraine?

Does anyone know a way to obtain maps of parts of Ukraine?
Particularly the extreme Western region known as Carpatho Oblast.
(The Carpathian mountain region.)

Thanks.

Mark H. David
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:58:58 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: More books and films

Mr. Mayer-Kress,
You do have an excellent point in that atrocities are being commited on
a daily basis in B-H.  Please do realize that there are atrocities
committed on a daily basis everywhere. The Serbs do not have such a
monopoly.  I wish they did.  The violent, purposefull taking of human
life is an atrocity in itself regardless of who is committing the crime.
And unless we can purge hate from our vocabulary and the feelings that
word represents, we will continue to have reenactments of Bosnia-Herzegowina,
Laos, the Gulag, Hungary, Slovakia, the Dritte Reich, Napoleon in Russia,
Cortez, ancient Rome, and you see, we could go on.  I digress; your objection
is that the rest of us go on and talk about culture.

Why ofcourse we do: in culture and the mutual appreciation of each others
behavior we can understand each other, and hopefully some day, appreciate
each other enough to solve our mutual problems through negotiations not
through atrocities.  Frankly, the world has talked about the Balkans long
enough.  there is nothing much left to talk about there: it's time to
act.  What are you doing to stop the fighting?

Laci
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From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films Suggestions
              31 Dec 1992 12:56:49 PST from
              <lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET>

Kamil's additions to my additions made me want to add some more...

We didn't even mention Hasek!  But for translations of Good Soldier
Svejk, I think the only one in the running anymore is Cecil Parrot's.
In general for the literature and culture of the region, I think Marcie
and anyone else interested should look for a yearbook called _Cross
Currents_, once published by the Michigan Slavic Department and now
brought out by Yale University Press.  There are currently 11 volumes out,
each includes both criticism and translations of literature, film, and
culture and cultural history in general.

I should mention that the films I listed were all (I think) available
on VHS videocassette with English subtitles -- which somewhat shortens
the list of available movies.  I think the medieval ones Kamil was thinking
about might have been "Udoli vcel" (Valley of the Bees) and "Psi hlavy"
(Dog's heads) -- I'm going by memory on the titles here, so I could be
off slightly.  Of course, there was the very interesting trilogy of films
on Czech history by Otakar Vavra, reflecting the distorted Communist version
of the Czech nationalist view of the past, including "Jan Hus," "Jan Zizka"
and "Temno".

Among Hungarian directors I didn't include first time round, there's
Miklos Jancso, whose highly personal vision colours films like "Red and
White", "Hungarian Rhapsody", "Roundup" and so on.  Or what about Andras
Kovacs's "Cold Days"?  From Juraj Jakubisko, I'd like to recommend especially
"Birds, Orphans and Fools".
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From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films

>Posted on 23 Dec 1992 at 13:30:21 by Moss Madden
>>>-  Closely Watched Trains
>>            +++++++
>>           Observed
>>
>>
>> (There's a sequel by the same director, but
>>>I'm not sure of the title)
>>
>>
>>Intimate Lighting
>>
>>Director: Jiri Musil
>
>Sorry - it's Jiri Menzel
>
And Menzel is very much alive. As a matter of fact, he just resigned as chair
of the film depoartment at the University because his students did not think
 that he was spending enough time with them!
H.K.