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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:01:10 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 29-Dec-1992 0654" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 29-Dec-1992 0654" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      WOMBLE Query
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello Again,

   Yesterday I sent the following information on the surname WAMBLE.
   Last night I talked to my sister and she told me that our paternal
   uncle said that he believed that the surname was WOMBLE not WAMBLE.
   I've received several replies to the original query and am most
   grateful for the information. Now I need to ask again for the
   surname WOMBLE. All the information is the same except for the
   spelling of the surname.

   Thanks

   Mike

>  I'm at a road block again. Does anyone have any information on the
>  surname WAMBLE from Early County, Georgia? The only information I
>  have is John WAMBLE was the father of William Adeline Wamble born
>  in Early County, Georgia on April 12th, 1863. She married my
>  paternal greatgrandfather William Andrew Jackson Holland on June
>  4th, 1882 in Early County, Georgia. She died in July 1926. They
>  lived in Early County, Georgia and Henry County, Alabama.

>  If anyone has any information on the surname WAMBLE in southern
>  Georgia and Alabama please contact me. Also what country of origin
>  is the surname WAMBLE?
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Mike Holland
Digital Equipment Corp.
305 Rockrimmon Blvd.
Colorado Springs, Colorado
(719)592-5964
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For myself I'm researching the following surnames:

HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WAMBLE OR WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER, TRAWICK,
SHOUTER, STRINGER, MONTGOMERY USA/AL/FL/GA/SC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON, DALTON, THARP
OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY OR MODE, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS,
HENKLE USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s until Present

For my wife I'm researching the following surnames:

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY, GANER, WOOD,
LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
SCOTLAND/IRELAND/USA/VT/MA early 1700s to present
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From: berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: American-Canadian Genealogical Soc. Address?
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:16:45 PST

I understand there is an American-Canadian Gen Soc. in the East.  Does anyone
know how to contact them?
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From: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Subject: needed: info about cnr
Reply-To: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:22:08 EST

In an article:

S>  Newsgroup: soc.roots
S> Message-ID: <01GSTHIFH99S91VRKV@CWU.BITNET>
S>    Subject: Needed: Info about Canadian National Railroad (CNR)

Hi David,

S>Does anyone on the net know if the Canadian National Railroad is still in
S>existence AND where records of former CNR employees could be located?  My
S>mothers uncle was a longtime employee of CNR and we would appreciate any
S>information someone might have about how we might access any of his records.
S>Thanks in advance.

CNR is still in business known mostly by CN.  The passenger service has
been picked up by VIA RAIL so CN is now only a freight service.

I'll call the local offices and see what I can get re: employee info.

Regards, Ray

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From: lianne@csulb.edu (Lianne Hoskins)
Subject: Delaware?!?
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:32:12 GMT

I have just located the marriage record of my ggg grandparents
in Delaware of all places (I looked there on a hunch, we never
knew they had lived there.)

From the Delaware Advertiser (publ. Wilmington, Delaware)

" MARRIED, on Oct. 14 1830 by the Rev. J. Kennedy, Mr. Samuel 
  Thomas, of Wilmington, to Miss Ann Stevenson, of Delaware
  County, PA."

If there's anyone out there who may have access to any records
regarding the New Castle County, Delaware and Delaware County,
Pennsylvania areas -- Please take a look for me.

Thanks!

'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
Lianne Hoskins     LAMB BRENT HOSKINS/ON SNEPP THOMAS
lianne@csulb.edu   STEVENSON NELKE WINKLER KLAUSER
                   CUTSINGER HOLDORF GROTH GRAF QUICK
'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'

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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:47:57 -0600
Reply-To:     RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
From:         RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
Subject:      Ukraine

Following Benjamin Okner's <okner@socrates.umd.edu> mail about UKRAINE
(any information about directories, etc.), I would be interested myself in any
info about phone/address directories for Kiev. As I imagine that other people
on the net might be interested as well, please send to All any idea that anyone
might have about any directories, e_mail addresses for info, etc., about any
place in Ukraine. And, while we're at it, same query for other ex-USSR
countries !  (BTW, has anyone managed to communicate by e_mail about
genealogy with someone from these countries ??)

Thanks in advance,
And a Happy New Year to all !
With many thanks to all these nice people who made the net so lively and so
interesting,
and with warm personal thanks to all those kind Rooters who contributed help in
my own research.

Jean Paul Rigaut          University of Paris 7, France
rigaut@frurbb51
For 1993, in addition to my RIVINAC / USA queries (you know, the RIVINAC organ
building company in "Benton, USA" in early 20th C, still not found..., among
other problems), I'd like to find whether there are any living descendants
from my RIGAUT, VALENTINI and WHITELOCK family in St. Petersburg (Russia),
Kiev (Ukraine) and Taschkent (Uzbekhistan); and any descendants from my BASSE
family (originally from Koenigsberg)...
Good luck to all for your own searches !
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:04:20 PST
Reply-To:     Richard Asano <richard@ASANO.SMOS.COM>
From:         Richard Asano <richard@ASANO.SMOS.COM>
Subject:      Re: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>You could ask for a photocopy of relevant pages,
>or get an acquaintance in that area to photocopy those
>pages for you.

Except that Sutro will not permit you to photocopy certain books.
I suspect this applies to the rare books.  I recall I could not
photocopy a city directory the last time I was there.

Richard Asano
richard@rd.smos.com
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:19:39 PST
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Oliphant
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

briton_@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz  asks:

>Anyone researching "OLIPHANT? Would appreciate comments from you.
>Likely countries - USA, Eire, UK. Thanks......

Melvyl replies: These folks were....

1.
Title:  Descendants of Wm. Oliphant of North Carolina : collateral
families, Martindale, Burch, Morgan, Hale, Slough, Colee,
Mitchell, King / editor, Nancy Hawlick Stein ; Oliphant Family
Research Committee, Edward Burch ... [et al.]. Wilmette, IL :
Oliphant Family History, [1974?]
Description:    xxiii, 248, 29 p., [3] leaves of plates : ill., facsims.,
maps,
ports.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G2463.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:      CL0086000012 University Microfilms
International

Notes:  "Volume I."
"Addenda and corrections": p. 200.
Includes index.
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International, 1987. 4 microfiches ; 11 x 15 cm.

Subjects:       Oliphant family.
Martindale family.
Burch family.

Other entries: Stein, Nancy Hawlick, 1931-
Oliphant Family Research Committee.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G2463
Note:   For print ed., see: CS 71 O468 1974

3.
Author: Doty, Eva Emery.
Title:  Oliphant-Rauch-Doty genealogy / compiled by Eva Emery Doty.
[Lawrence, Ind. : First Copy Center], 1976 [i.e. 1977]
Description:    iv, 115 p. ; 28 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.

Subjects:       Oliphant family.
Rauch family.
Doty family.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   CS 71 O468 1976

4.
Author: Kington-Oliphant, Thomas Laurence, 1831-1902.
Title:  The Jacobite lairds of Gask / by T.L. Kington-Oliphant. London :
Published for the Grampian Club [by] C. Griffin and co., 1870.
Description:    xxiv, 504 p. : facsims. (1 folded), port. ; 23 cm.

Subjects:       Oliphant family.
Jacobites.
Scotland -- History.

Other entries: Grampian Club.

Call numbers:   UCB     Main    DA758.3.O5 K5

Press RETURN for the MELVYL catalog.
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Don't take long...

Happy New Year!

Tom
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:47:00 EST
Reply-To:     WKIMLER@DREW.DREW.EDU
From:         WKIMLER@DREW.DREW.EDU
Subject:      HRC
Comments: To: roots-l@ndsuvm1.bitnet

Hi there,

        Here's an unusual question, but this is probably the best place to
ask it.

        I recently purchased a family history summary from a group
called the Historical Research Center.

        You've probably seen them at the local shopping mall.  They have
some sort of database of name histories; and if you are fortunate enough
to have their name in their files, they will print up a nice looking
history and frame it for you.  They include information regarding the
origins of your family name, coat of arms, family colors?, etc...

        My name is fairly rare (Kimler) and i was surprised that they
had a history on it.

        Does anyone know if this group is on the level - or have I
been scammed?

                                - Bill
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Sorry for the Carver response, I meant it to be a basenote not a response.

John
From: britton_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: researching BRITTON
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:53:28 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: britton_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Hello,

     Reseaching BRITTON - UK/USA/CANADA/AUSTRALIA. Any info. would be
     greatly appreciated.

     Thanks, John
From: botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU (Carol Botteron)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Parents, Spouses, Children (was: Re: PAF tricks)
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:36:55 GMT
Reply-To: Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

(a lighter note for the holidays)

Fred Rump said:

> Sometimes we might forget that this is mainly fun to do. Nothing
>earthshaking will ever come of it. Our ancestors would not really
>know us as we would not know them, but we wish to know a little more
>about them anyway - for the fun of it.

Good point, Fred.  I'd say it's a bit more than that -- genealogy has
made history and other cultures more real to me, for example -- but we
shouldn't forget that it's supposed to be fun.

Science fiction fans (or "fen") have a language including some phrases
and acronyms that seem relevant here:

FIAWOL -- fandom is a way of life
FIJAGH -- fandom is just a g*d*m hobby

Maybe genealogy, or at least Roots, needs something similar.  We could
just steal a word from Ruddigore and just say, "Basingstoke, folks!"
when a discussion gets heated.

Obscurely,
Carol Botteron    botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:39:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Cincinnati Historical Society Library
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.NoDak.edu

New Year's Eve Day, Dec. 31, my wife and family (and one invited guest)
traveled the two hours south to visit the new Museum Complex in
Cincinnati, at the site of the old railroad station.  In now contains
both the Historical Society and the Museum of Natural History, as well
as an omniplex theater.  Two reasons for sharing this information:
If you wish to spend time in the Historical Society's library, and
are accompanied by a family with little interest in genealogy, there
are hours and hours of other exciting educational exhibits in which
your family members can become engaged.   Secondly, we had been told
that the library was open "when the museum was open" which did NOT
turn out to be true and were disappointed.  We will travel the
distance at anothr time to visit the library (after calling first
to absolutely confirm the hours), BUT has any rooter visited the
library at the Cincinnati Historical Society and can share what
may be the highlights of their library holdings?
Thanks
Jim Freed, Delaware, OH   jmfreed@cc.owu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:22:03 EST
Reply-To:     Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From:         Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help with rubbings from gravestones
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>>>prine@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (Ron Prine) asks:
>
>>>Re: Need help with rubbings and relation chart.
>
>
>>>1)  Last week I went to my a cemetery that had alot of family in and
>>>found a few stones that I would like to do rubbings of.  I have never
>>>done a rubbing and I remembered that there was a recommendation of
>>>using some type of sewing product to do the rubbings a few months back
>>>on the news.  What was this product (All I can think of was wonder
>>>under or some type of self adhering basting paper) and if possible
>>>could I get the original posting on how to do this.  The stone I want
>>>to do a rubbing of has 4 lines of text that has been buried.
>
>
>Jill Miller replied:
>
>>As a sewing-type person, I would recommend any kind of NON-WOVEN, and
>>NON-KNIT interfacing material, especially the NON-IRON-ON type in a light
>>weight.  The iron-on type has a heat activated glue on one side which makes
>>it quite stiff and somewhat bumpy.  If I remember right, Wonder-Under is a
>>very light (good), iron-on (not-so-good) version of non-woven interfacing.
>
>As I recall from a posting several months ago, the suggested material was
>pelan (probably not spelled correctly).  Perhaps Jill can clarify this.
>I believe that the posting suggested using a color crayon on the pelan to
>copy the text.

The correct spelling is pellon, and, yes, that is one name for the
material.

--Jill

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: libraries
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:02:47 GMT

Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU> writes:

> I finally went over to the local historical society, where I AM Joe
> Cool walking in off the street, and got a plate from them, no sweat.
> Took it to Phoenix to do my tests, returned it the next day.

> That's the problem with many libraries - inflexibility.  They say,
> "Oh we can't do that - it's against the rules". But when you ask to
> speak to whomever makes the rules, they are always mysteriously
> absent...

> On the whole, generally, I'd say that historical societies are much
> more cooperative than libraries.

Despite Frieda's defense of the system, she also seems to recognize that she 
is part of a larger frustrating bureaucratic whole.  Historical societies are
still into the serving phase of their tenure.  Libraries are into the rules
phase which comes from their size and financial power.  Despite the avowed
lack of money, just about any library still has more of it than your typical
volunteer staffed historical society.  Yet the latter will bend over backwards
to help.  Somehow, there it is more than a job.  We see similar results in
other areas of society especially in the public vs private school instance.

Size has its problems.  It brings with it the concept of empires, structure,
rules and protectionism. What is often lost is the raison d'tre of the whole 
thing. 

Bob's comments are typical of the shuffling of responsibility of any large 
organization that has lost it's focus. It is as much a human problem as it is 
a library problem.


> I should mention though that the
> LDS libraries are pretty cooperative, although you have to mostly
> use stuff on-site.  They are pretty forward looking.  They had the
> initial CD rom indexes on PCs as early as 1987 (the first time I

The LDS has a clear focus of what it's mission is. It makes a difference. 
It's whole object is to share information. Libraries seem to want to hog it 
for its own sake.

Strangely they don't charge and are staffed by volunteers.  Sounds like
another group of dedicated servants to the greater good - just like a
historical society.

Fred

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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: New GENEALOG files: Royalty GEDCOM
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:46:54 GMT

>New Royalty GEDCOM files have been uploaded.  They are available now.
>This GEDCOM has been updated by Mr. Denis Reid ...

I suppose this is a question I should take up with Denis Reid, but I'd
like to see some documentation -- even a Note or two -- on some of the
claims in this file.

Cerdic, King of Wessex, who died in 534, is the earliest individual
with a definite date -- but twenty-four generations of his paternal
line are listed before him, which would take us back before the Common
Era; I was under the impression that no European line, even a royal
one, could be taken that far.  (Alex Shoumatoff's book on family
history, _The Mountain of Names_, says that only Georgian royalty can
be definitely traced to before the time of Christ.

Anyone else have an opinion on these very early claims?

(Here's a plug for Shoumatoff's book, by the way, which is wonderful;
I've read it several times and enjoyed it more each time.  I have no
connection with him or his work, other than having bought it.)

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Subject: Re: In Defense of Libraries...
Reply-To: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:48:15 GMT

In article <9212231627.AA16580@icdi10.COMPU.COM> fred@cdin-1.compu.com writes:

>Fred
>
>PS Did I mention that the California libraries are off limits to me because I
>live in this little tiny state of New Jersey where we really only have one
>major public university?

Allow me (speaking completely with no authority) to use this as an
example of the source of some of those rules which frustrate you.  It
is all a matter of perspective.

The California libraries are funded primarily (assumption) by the state
and local governments of California.  This means that acquisitions,
cataloging, building overhead, etc. is paid for by users and
taxpayers.  The users (where there are user fees) get what they pay
for, subsidized by the state.

The taxpayers (or those who talk to legislators) may feel that since
this is a locally funded enterprise, the benefits should be most
accessible to those locally.  As such, they might want to restrict some
(or all) materials to use by the funding population.  That means
restricting ILL to in-state libraries.


From this perspective, you can expect little sympathy that CA is not
willing to support the research of other states.  If New Jersey wants
books, let NJ buy some.  If you want to benefit from CA's investment,
come and support some local hotels and resturaunts.


That is, of course, an extreme position (which I do not hold), but it
does exist.


Drew

P.S. -- Fred, did they drag you into the street and drop you there for
	entering the library? ;-)  I'm assuming you meant that the
	materials aren't sent to NJ on ILL.

-- 
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From: dkozak@cray.com (Darryn Kozak)
Subject: Re: GENEALOG Files: Royalty GEDCOM
cc: dkozak
In-reply-to: A_BOISEN@MACC.WISC.EDU's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:40:00 CDT
Organization: /home/dione2/dkozak/.organization
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:31:40 CST


>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:40:00 CDT, A_BOISEN@MACC.WISC.EDU said:
	A> Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
	A> Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

>>New Royalty GEDCOM files have been uploaded.  They are available now.
>>This GEDCOM has been updated by Mr. Denis Reid ...

>I suppose this is a question I should take up with Denis Reid, but I'd
>like to see some documentation -- even a Note or two -- on some of the
>claims in this file.

	A> I agree.


Hmmm... I think there is a standard authoritative reference for royal
lineage.  I can't remember the author's name off hand (Black maybe?).
There are a few volumes, two of which I saw at one of our local
libraries.  I'll try and get the reference next time I'm there.

I always assumed that royal.gedcom data came from there, but I see now
that is not the case.  Once I get the reference I'll pass it on to Denis.

dk

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