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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: help
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:09:32 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <92265.140106SMM125@psuvm.psu.edu> SMM125@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>There's this guy I know who claims to practice "Korean
>ju-jutsu" in a "private" dojo in Alexandria, Va.  Now I
>have known this guy for about 7 years and, while he always
>"talked trash" about MA, he never really specified whether
>.....
>
>I know what you're saying, whats the point of this waste of
>bandwidth?  So whats the big deal about some buffoon who's
>obviously lying about knowing MA?
>

Yeah....

>Well, the big deal is that he uses these stories to intimidate
>people he deems as being "inferior"to himselfwho in reality
>could tear his head off.  

I will publicly (sp) embarass myself by admitting that I used
to do this too, when I was in the 9th grade...  of course,
being asian, and it being the late 60's (not much was generally
'known' about martial arts), people tended to believe me and 
leave me in peace.
At that time I didn't practice ANY martial art other than
what Bruce Tegner could show me in a book :-)
I other words, I was scared...   and your friend may be
just showing his fears as well...
(I should note that in the 9th grade I had also been jumped on,
and on another occasion, cut with a knife during a robbery
that took place in the back of metal shop class...)

>He also spends a great deal of time
>putting down other MA's (an attitude which I find incredibly
>offensive). 

Only shows his ignorance..

> You might say "well just dont talk to him" or
>"just call him out and beat him up" but the problem with either of
>those solutions is that I am very close friends with his parents
>and I spend a lot of time out at his house, so I cant avoid
>talking with him and if I beat him up, his parents would never
>speak to me again.
>

beating him up is no solution, and certainly wouldn't reflect
well on Aikido...

>So, there you have it, any suggestions?
>

'pray for him'  for one day he may be called out by a less
forgiving soul to 'walk his talk'...


-thorick


--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted
Summary: The more you know, the more you find out there is to know ... !
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  1 OCT 92 10:37:44    


Michael wants to found and teach his own style of martial art.

Steve Weigand replies with an excellent post applauding Michael's 
motivation and approach, and which I support and agree with.

To summarize what I think are key points :

1.  this is too short a time to consider a 'new style' of art

2.  what is probably best at this point is working with experienced
	people in established disciplines to help build a foundation
	and then refine it

3.  your 'style' will probably be changing a LOT as a result of these
	experiences, codifying and teaching it after nine years of training
	would most certainly commit you more to your initial ideas than
	you really want to do, if you really want to be innovative in
	the arts

> In the mean time, could you explain your central (basic) concepts of your
>style to the readers of rec.martial-arts? I'm sure we'd all love to hear
>fresh new ideas (even if they might be old ideas repackaged).

Yes, please.  That's one of the things I follow this newsgroup for, to hear
people's fresh ideas and alternate approaches, and compare with existing
styles.

>Thanx,
> - Steve Weigand
> (weigand@ee.udel.edu)

						kind regards,

						todd
						(stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com)
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.193846.27511@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>I don't think this guy stood there and told himself he was
>willing to get killed for $15.  I think he was probably confused
>to find himself at gunpoint in an otherwise extremely ordinary
>situation, and he just went into denial.  No, you are not
>getting my money. No, you are not going to shoot me.  No, no,
>no.  Could have been me.  Could have been you.

	I don't know if there's that much of a differece between what you
said and what I said :-)
	You're saying that he was in a situation which he refused to accept -
I was (trying) to say that his conditioning was such that he couldn't under-
stand the true nature of his situation.
	I guess it was misleading to say that he was willing to die for $15,
he obviously didn't analyze the situation rationally, but he still made a
decision.

>So, now you need a backup shooter to lay down covering fire while
>you gas up.  Welcome to D.C.

	I just stay out of eastern DC.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:34:29 GMT

In article <1204@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>My teacher is fairly prominent in the Chinese martial arts community, not
>just in the US but in Taiwan as well.
>Granted, he is primarily a xingyi practitioner and secondarily a Chen
>stylist but I would think that he
>would have his basic martial arts history straight.  He did say he
>simplified some details in the off hand discussion we had.  There is more
>to the story than what he told.

	So, who is your teacher?

>what did he do with the more physically demanding techniques.  I find it
>hard to believe that he just discarded them.  Some have said my teacher
>is wrong but he makes sense.  I do not think Yang Cheng-fu would just
>throw those techniques away.

	Well, the way I understand it, teachers have their "closed door"
students, who are given the whole system, and then the rest of their students
who receive something less - either because they lack the inclination/ability
to appreciate it, or they have dubious loyalty to the teacher.
	This is the case in classical Japanese ryu, which have their shoden and
(I think it's called) hiden. Why should it be any different in Chinese schools?
	I guess that you'd have to look at who stayed with Yang Cheng-Fu the
longest, and would have been in a position to learn everything from him. I
believe that Fu Zhong-Wen is documented as having spent many decades as Yang
Cheng-Fu's protege. Members of his immediate family are also good candidates
for receiving things which weren't taught "outside".

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:36:14 GMT

schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>
>	My theory is that the source of this anti-traditionalism often comes
>from people who are effective fighters, but do not have recognition from
>"traditional" organizations. So, to validate their own authority, they turn
>into tradition-phobes, and claim that traditional training is bogus and that
>their new, improved, modern system is infinitely better.

Hey, that's a pretty good theory, but let's spin it out just a
little bit farther.  The more talented and charismatic of these
tradition-bashers (e.g., Bruce Lee) often attract their own
following.  Ironically, these followers seem to waste no time
inventing their own traditions.  This seems particularly true of
the less gifted among them.  I guess they have greater need of
the rituals to "validate their own authority."  For them,
proximity to the founder, fancy titles, colored belts,
obligatory gestures of subordination, etc., become a compulsive
preoccupation.  You might even call it a sort of:

>political expediency masquerading as objective truth.

And after this goes on for a while, you have a traditional
martial art.  And then another queen bee arises among the
drones, and the cycle begins all over again.

Hey, I really like this theory of yours!

;-)
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:02:52 GMT

In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-290992200723@129.74.199.127> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
>We have a Aikido club here at school, and each year we try to draw in more
>people to join, as our club is extremely small.  The problem occurs when I
>try to explain Aikido.  I use such words as redirecting the attack, but
>that does not capture to sense of Aikido and Ki and all that weird stuff. 
>If I start speaking of such things, people get put off by it, as Notre Dame
>is extremely catholic and very conservative on such matters.  I am not sure
>what to do.  At what point would it be appropriate to introduce Ki to these
>people, right away or later on?
>
>Eric

 I have similar problems explaining chi to people. I find it best to
simply SHOW the person what you mean, AS WELL AS describing it to them.
A friend of mine in education said, "Tell me, and I forget; show me, and
I'll remember; involve me, and I'll understand." 

 Give them good examples of when you focus your ki and when you do not.
Let them feel for themselves how the result of good ki focusing is on
a technique. As for them... when they perform a technique well, they soon
learn why! It is because they have truely focused their ki onto the 
task. They will understand it after they become more seasoned martial
artists. 

Ciao,
 -Steve Weigand
 (weigand@ee.udel.edu)
From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:32:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Oct3.031722.22270@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> psun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C. Sun) writes:
>
>	Can someone please explain to me the difference between Akido 
>	and Akijitsu? A local school teaches Akijitsu which i'm
>	completely unfamiliar with... what are the differences?

  And while someone's at it, what about the difference between Akido,
Akijitsu and AkiFletcher?

[Begin serious mode]
  The most significant differnce is probably political affiliation, but
Aikijutsu (notice the additional "i", please) generally has a broader
taxonomy (more names for techniques, though not necessarily more
techniques), greater emphasis on techniques designed to inflict fairly
serious damage, somewhat less emphasis on fluidity and movement, and somewhat
more emphasis on striking techniques.
  These are, however, generalizations.  Your mileage may vary from dojo to
dojo.
--
********************************************************************
Eric Sotnak                   |  One life.
esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu    |  One chance. 
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi - not Hands Wave like Hands (re: crossing styles)
Keywords: T'ai Chi taiji
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:53:37 GMT

In article <23960@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>Even
>>strikes do _not_ use muscle strength to cause damage. The whole 
>>point is to "project energy" through your arm and into your opponent.
>>The exact (physical) meaning of this isn't to clear, but I was tought
>>that muscle tension of _any_ sort inhibits this and weakens "internal"
>>strikes.

>My current understanding of this is that any uneven distribution
>of the tension acts as a blockage...  as some tension is required
>to "hold" as posture, in this case the 'tension' should be even...
>likewise, when projecting 'energy' from the buildup to the peak,
>the body should feel very "even".....

>geezz  this sounds nutty..  hope it makes some sense to somebody !

Not too nutty if you think of it in terms of physics or engineering:
Waves don't propagate well through regions of varing impeadance, if
the changes are rapid enough, they tend to be reflected. Now if you
apply this to taiji, you just have to assume the "energy" taiji
refers is transmitted like any other sort of energy and that muscle
tension is a factor in the body's impeadance.

                                                     Frank Crary
                                                     CU Boulder
From: khc2674@rigel.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: rhythm (Kali/Wing Chun/JKD)
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.28SEP199210175837
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <19trk0INNh10@uwm.edu>, ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes...
> 
>As for internal, there is much to it.  I just got explained recently that
>the Shil Lim Tao form is not just for showing the basic movements of WC,
>but is also used as an internal form to build chi and alignment.  Leung Ting's
>people don't agree with this, and think the form is unimportant once you
>know it.  But other's such as William Cheung, Hawkins Cheung, Moy Yat and
>a handfull of others feel it should always be practiced.
>Much of the power is also generated from stancework and footwork and the
>correct positioning of each to allow proper flow of chi.  The only thing
>external are the actuall punches and the kicking.  Everything else comes
>from more of an internal direction.  I went for a long time myself without
>having it fully explained.  Then there are also the 1 & 3" punches that
>are internal chi type punches.  So yes, alot of WC is internal or deals
>with the flow of chi rather than muscles and meeting force against force.
> 
> 
>Marty
> 
>Do
> 
I studied Wing Tsun under Leung Ting's organization and I learned Sil Lim Tao
was the foundation of all Wing Tsun techniques and should always be practiced 
first before anything else, no matter what your level of expertise. I also
learned that Sil Lim Tao was the fundamental Chi Kung exercise of Wing Tsun.
My instructor always practices Sil Lim Tao before he gets to anything else,
be it Cham Kiu, Biu Jee, the Wooden Dummy or whatnot.

Kuo Hau Chang  :)               Praying for Mantis                (:
Texas A&M      :)   7-star,8-step,Taiji,Tantui,Lu-Han,Flat Plate  (:
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:33:39 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Sep29.151625.7173@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>
>     A friend of mine has a problem with his Tai Chi practice, which I will
>present to the net for solutions.  He has assiduously practiced for several
>years, and has recently acquired a pair of Nike pump sport shoes.  Now each
>time he fa jings, the pumps inflate suddenly and blow out.  Is this a known
>manufacturing defect, or is he simply misdirecting his chi?  This problem is
>rapidly becoming expensive.
>
 
   This is a serious problem.  In fact the only known solution
   is to, I know this may sound radical, practice in your
   barefeet.  We kendo players have known for years that ki
   shoots out the bottom of our feet.  This is why none of us 
   dares to wear shoes during class.  If you need more info
   you should talk with my friend Stumpy.
 
-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:32:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.071926.12389@pixel.kodak.com> lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.163107.21255@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>>[...]
>
>>while on the subject of kicks, how do our friends in aikijujutsu deal with
>>them? andy? anyone?
>
>Quite thoroughly.  :-)
>

	Same way we deal with punches.  There is no essential difference.  You
	begin by evading the attack.  After that there are a million and one
	possibilities ranging from nothing to tearing the offending leg from
	the torso of the offending human.  E.g., shiho nage works equally
	well on a leg as it does on an arm.  In fact some think it works
	better since you have such great leverage to work with.  And the
	knee is an enormously easy joint to break once you have the kind of
	control over it that a technique such as shiho nage affords.  Needless
	to say, such a break would result in a lifelong crippling injury.

	Kuma ashi is another cute one, but you have to get inside quickly and
	close to pull it off.  Works much better from a punch IMO.

	-Andy
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From: kestes@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Kent Estes)
Subject: Re: Katanas, help!
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:19:45 GMT

I understand Charles Daniel, of the Togakure ryu Ninpo tradition,
has a book on Japanese Sword Fighting (as opposed to just Togakure
ryu kenjitsu.)  I have his book on Traditional Ninja Weapons, and
the quality is excellent;  his approach in that work was very     
refreshing.

                           K. L.

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From: sven@stud.cs.uit.no (Sven Jonsson)
Subject: Re: Oyama
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:27:24 GMT

>Is anyone here in the World Oyama Karate organization?

I train in a club called Tromso Karate Klubb. I been training
Kyokushin 9 years.

Anyone else out there in World Oyama Karate organization?



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From: noell@convex.com (Katherine Noell)
Subject: Iron and Silk
Summary: looking for a copy
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:18:13 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: video
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.



I believe there was a discussion of the movie "Iron and Silk" in this
newsgroup a few months ago when I was too busy to read it, so I apologize
if this question has been answered many times over.

My sensei just strongly suggested that we ought to watch this movie, and none
of the local video stores semms to have it for sale or rental.  Is it
available on tape and, if so, can somebody tell me where I might find a
copy?

Thanks much.

Katherine


Katherine Noell			Those who have long enjoyed such
noell@convex.com		privileges as we enjoy forget in time
Convex Computer Corp.		that men have died to win them.
Richardson, TX USA			Franklin D. Roosevelt

I don't speak for CONVEX. But you knew that.
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: HUNG GAR book
Summary: Looking for a book/tape on Hung Gar Kung Fu
Keywords: Hung Gar Kung Fu
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:32:28 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Hi;
Does anyone know of any good books or videos on Hung Gar Kung Fu?

Thanks...

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From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: My first tournament - pointers?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:33:56 GMT

jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:

>In article <12883@ecs.soton.ac.uk> rit@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:

>   That's what I thought until I actually had to be a corner judge. I can't 
>   say it was the most enjoyable experience of my life :-(  Never again :-)

>richard is right; you must be a judge (or referee) to appreciate the
>difficulty involved.

>mentally, judging a free sparring match is like fighting two people.
>you must keep your perception sharp for long periods of time.  it is
>very tiring.

>as a corner judge,...

However, being on the "high table" of adjudicators and judges is even more
of an eye opener - almost funny at time. [I've done this a few times].

At the high table you get to see what the corner judges have awarded (per
round, or whatever). APART from the visibility problems, there is still
an enormous range of scores - I've seen 12:4 from one corner against 3:8
from another on occasion [and this was with skilled judges with non-trivial
competition experience]. Basically, what counts as a point depends on how
the judge assess a lot of impressions. The competitor is best served by
making the techniques as obvious as possible for thge judges, and as non-
obvious for the opponent. A technique which looks full of effort is more
likely to pass the 70% power (or whatever rule) is applied.

Of course, this has nothing to do with self defence.

And I know nothing about scoring in non-contact. 

And the ippon rules are a different kettle of fish, again...

Tomasso.
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From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:57:29 GMT

In article <MARY.92Oct6151711@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>Now that we're all fatally confused, perhaps we could stop telling
>each other that "il", "i" etc aren't Korean numbers.  They are...it's
>just that TKDists are mostly used to hearing the counting numbers 
>"hana", "dool", etc.
...and Hapkidoists also.

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