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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:14:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov10.122624.1851@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Africa.  Get a clue, gays make up 10% of the population everywhere.
>There are plenty of gay bars in Kinshasa, gays all around you if
>you just open your eyes and educate yourself.
>act as a spokesperson for all Africans of any 


Where in Kinshasa are those bars and what their names? Are they in Matonge'?
When I go back for a visit I will look them up. It is funny that we were out
almost everynight and never saw one. However I was there for only a fews
months and could not have seen too much. I will ask my Zairean friends and
get an answer for you.

Incidentally, I have been here only a few years and know where the homosexual
bars are (they seem to be everywhere). I was in Africa more than two decades
and never saw one. Hmm...interesting. Africa is a wide open society and we
all generqlly know about each others activities, unlike here. i HAVE NEVER
SEEN it, never heard it and never heard anyone who had seen or heard of it
unless it was by a foreigner.

I was in 1000 student boarding school never saw it, never heard of it, never
heard it contemplated or heard of any one who had heard of it. 	However I
heard about one boy  who greew up in the UK and came for under grad. to   
my old univ. and tried to do it on his room mate. He was abandoned in the  
room. Nobody ostracised him, instead they felt pity for him. But they would
share rromms with him.
It all shows what you can learn

Of the two of us I am in a position to know where as you can only suppose but
probably wish.

Makala
..
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Children's rights
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:17:15 GMT
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Now that were have sobbered up from throwing heavy four letterd word, and 
words with mother, inside of the head, pants or stomach-- I think it is
time to say something here.  Maybe some of our readers should be very 
carefull of misanalysing one culture using the specatecles ( or hippies
might prefer goggles) of another. Little knowledge is very dangerous.

By the way, for those that have npot graduated from the mountain college
or those that took the innitiation diploma via correspondence... I mean
those that took the hospital institute of innitiation there are things 
you do not know about the process of innitiation that takes place in many
South African communities when a boy reaches the age of .... say 13
or when the Kings son is ready for innitiation..,.. (I'm out of breath..
this sentence is long but who cares) . Innitiation should not be reduced
to circumcision. nor should women innitiation be reduced to the act of 
doing the operation... Hell forbid this type of physiological reductionism
smacks of tunnel vision... myopia (I spell how I like) and ignorace.
Just because women undergo a life threatening process, that not only
is painful but lead to bleading or even death does not mean that birth
is a cruel mutilation of the women intestines (or the inner most part)
by a male dominated society that hopes to show the "brats" who is Boss!

On the contary.... assume for a minute that you were from plannet
Ignaromia when the dominant species (read equivalent of human on earth)
lay eggs in the ground. Honest to Qamata... Modimo 'a magodimo you would
write home after (witnessing birth) lamenting the cruelity of the human
to their females.  Well, let me come home.....

Innitiation not circumcision is the big picture,,.. the idea that a 
person need a formal talk, preparation to [articipate in the adult
world... To be a responsible citizen, spouse, and solidier... to
be a gentlemen that can be held to his word... or to be a woman
prepared ... emotionally and psychologically to the rigor of adult
parent, spouse, citizen life..  To be prepared for a love life with
one spouse or many simulteneously... or many one after the other prompted
the process know to many as education, training, orientation, mentoring
and to Jews Barmitzva (oops!) no that is not.. but you get the idea..
Maybe we need to let our chidren hand arround school for twelve years
before they can be welcomed into the adult world.. an to ask of them 
as
a self descipline to work and perform,, to be committed to one spouse
and to know the rule of the game in love and war... because they are 
adults.. But we could be wrong about this twelve year long mental 
torture,,, or deeducation, a deceit... oh no mental damange is not as 
bad as circumscision.... maybe we need not do anything... let 
everyone choose what they want ... 

well I hope you get the idea...
From: dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu (TONY DESOUZA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Ethiopia, Greece
Summary: Greek influence
Keywords: info
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:28:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I was born in Ethiopia in 1969 an lived there until 1974.  My father is 
Indian and my mother is Greek.  Although I now live in the US, I lived in 
Athens, Greece for a number of years and have concluded that there must be
a substantial Greek influence in Ethiopia.  Could any one fill me in on 
this aspect of Ethiopian culture?

---------- If you rub here and it feels good, you are one sick puppy ----------

Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /
Winners were once dreamers --------------------------------------------- @ -
University of Rochester Laboratory for Laser Energetics                / | \
dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu                 "Ignorance has been good to me"






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---------- If you rub here and it feels good, you are one sick puppy ----------

Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Egyptian History
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.125753.2053@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>The last indigenous Egyptian pharaoah, Nektanebo II, was defeated and
>overthrown by the armies of the Persian King Artaxerxes II at the
>Battle of Pelusium in 343 BC (411 AUC).  He fled the country and
>died in exile, leaving Egypt to become a Persian satrapy.


 You are right to point out that Alexander the great did not end the dynastic
period (every one knows that). I meant by my statement that 'no blackman has
been able to be a racist since alexander overthrew the last "egyptian" 
pharaoh was that: T

The coming of Greek colonisation was the beggining of permanent foreign 
rule. So Alexander overthrew an Asian, a Persian to be specific. But Asians
had ruled before and been turned back the Egyptians. So while the Asians we
re in power there was always a a possibility that the Egyptians would recover 
thier country. I used the first incidence of Greek colonialism to indicate
the final end of Egyptian Pharaonic rule. That is why I felt it relevant to
say that black people really finally lost their power when the Greeks took
Egypt. Wether the blacks would have recovered Egypt ahd the Greeks not come
no one can say. But I hold the view that greek imperialism proved to be of a
dorminant and permanent nature than Persian imperialism would have been
.
An error in your account is your claim that Nectanebos II was an Egyptian. 
He like all the men who had ruled Egypt for the 190 years (from 5252 bc)
before was an Asian. Egyptians never regained the country After it fell to
Cambyses. However this is not a discussion on the subject of Egypt but
racism.

 
>This tells us something about Mr Mweene, doesn't it?

It tells you nothing about me. 

> Egypt was the
>home of the greatest African civilisation, and, in the opinion of
>some of us, one of the greatest in the world.

Every one knows this....


  That Mr Mweene doesn't
>even care to get its history even approximately right says that, for
>all his bigotry and posturing, his real attitude towards Africa and
>her history is one of utter contempt.  That, naturally, makes him an
>expert on African affairs.


You can believe what ever you want about me. But just keep out of my cult
ure and abandon the belief that we ever let you change it.


Makala

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 07 Nov 92 19:53 PST
Subject: Dorgan election brings great hope
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700233:000:1267
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov  7 19:53:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Dorgan election brings great hope

/* Written  7:40 pm  Nov  7, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Dorgan election brings great hope" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      Dorgan election brings great hope

Byron Dorgan has been elected Senator from North Dakota.

He was the representative who spoke so compellingly when North Dakota
had their Somalia week--he quoted extensively from Jeffrey Clark's
"Journey to Hell"--an impassioned statement about the need to get moving
to aid Somalia.

I'll try to locate addresses, etc. for him in North Dakota and Washington.
Messages of congratulation and support for his Somalia stance should
encourage him to pursue a vigorous course.

It's heartening, too, that a man who takes a strong stand about aiding
a country which is of no particular "stategic importance" can get
elected, at a time when the conventional wisdom is that Americans
won't tolerate foreign aid.

I think Americans won't tolerate wasteful projects, or oppressive military
aid--but I think the average American wants those Somalian children fed
as quickly as possible.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:5855 soc.culture.bangladesh:5747
From: jsd@crunch.Eng.Sun.COM (Jules Damji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: THE SCIENCE, TRUTH AND REAL CIVILIZATION - PART 2
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:11:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: crunch


Mr. Ifran (or whoever you're), keep your moronic Quran
drivel out of this net, and post it elsewhere. By the
way, are you also one of the fanatics who avowed
to behead Salman Rushdie?

Jules


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From: spaday@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Strini Padayachee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Nkosi Sikela iAfrika (SOWETAN)
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:49:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: daisy.1dt5qeINNp25
Organization: Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

HI

I remember reading in this newsgroup an enquiry regarding the origins of
Nkosi Sikela, which is not only the national anthem adopted by the ANC, but
also the Govts of Zimbabwe, Zambia and Tanzania. I'm not quite sure whether
the posters queries were answered bet here is a summary NSiA that appeared in
the SOWETAN (11/11/192):

Composer:                    Enoch Mankayi Sontonga
Place of Birth:              Lovedale, Ciskei
Sontonga's occupation:       Schoolteacher in a Methodist Mission School
Year composed:               1897
First adopted by:            ANC
Additional seven stanzas by: SEK Mqhayi
Appeared first as hymn in:   Presbyterian Hymn Book

Strini
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:14:05 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <9293@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>The worlds most pornographic country is going to be dispensing morallity!!!

  Are there any other American prejudices you have bought into?

>Makala

-bertil-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: female Circumcision
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:48:00 GMT

In article <9153@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes
>In article <1992Nov5.034357.9263@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>>
>>[...]. Anyways, I'm ready to meet you any time Makala!
>>      Hubert.
>
>I am always warry of these men who show an outsize interest in  knowing other
>men. One of the things I have learned here is that you have to be careful.
>Makala
> 

      Let me say that there is not much to fear. My interest in meeting you
is more than modest. I just don't like being insulted (bigot, one that hides
behind others and always attack as a group, racist...). If you really feel
that way about me, without yet knowing me, then I think that we should meet
and straighten things out. Otherwise evrything's fine.

      Cheers,

            Hubert.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 07 Nov 92 15:22 PST
Subject: News stories on hunger
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700228:000:2020
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov  7 15:22:00 1992


/* Written  3:18 pm  Nov  7, 1992 by jnr in igc:hunger.general */
/* ---------- "News stories on hunger" ---------- */
Hunger Stories Review

The following file contains stories gathered since 10/24 from Associated
Press, United Press International, Washington Post and Reuters. 
(Permission has been obtained from UPI and AP, and is pending in the
case of Reuters and WP). The contents is listed below.  

I seek to post stories which will support the activist community in the
commitment to end hunger.

The stories are contained in the first response to this topic in full
text form.  (53.4 kB)

Response .2 to this topic is the identical material in the form of a DOS
self-extracting archive file (30.5 kB - to save a few cents connect time). 

To use the archive file, download the file and name it with a ".EXE"
extesnsion, for example, name it NEWS.EXE.  At your DOS promt type NEWS,
hit <enter> and the full text will be extracted.

Please let me know how this format works for you.

******************************************************************
CONTENTS            
******************************************************************

1.  RTw  11/05 WASHINGTON GIVES $100 MILLION TO U.N. CHILDREN'S FUND
2.  APn  11/01 Somalia
3.  UPn  10/28 World Bank provides logistics for Somalia's relief
4.  WP   10/28 Farm Project Seeks to Break Famine Cycle 
5.  RTw  10/29 MALARIA THREATENS AFRICA WITH THE DEADLIEST MOSQUITOES
6.  APn  10/31 Migrant Farmworkers
7.  RTw  10/31 SOMALI WARLORD WARNS OF BLOODSHED IF U.N. DEPLOYS
8.  RTw  10/30 AID WORKERS TRY TO RESUME HELPING SOMALI TOWN
9.  APn  11/02 BRF--Somalia-Sophia Loren
10. APn  10/30 Baby Growth
11. UPn  10/30 U.N. names new chief for relief operations in Somalia
12. WP   11/02 U.N. Asks U.S. for Help in Somali Relief Effort
13. APn  11/02 Somalia-US Airlift
14. RTw  11/01 U.N. OPERATIONS FACE UNCERTAIN FUTURE IN SOMALIA
15. RTw  11/05 TRIBAL WARFARE HEAPS MORE WOE ON SOUTHERN SUDAN
16. RTw  11/04 ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS TURNING UP IN MEXICAN BABIES
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Somalia - Abilene
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:47:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700221:000:1396
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov  4 18:47:00 1992


This cheering message comes from Richard "Chelagoi" Chowning, a prof
at Abilene Christian University, who has been working working for
Somalian relief--to raise money and awareness.
Subject: Somalia - Abilene

/* Written 11:32 pm  Nov  3, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalia - Abilene" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: CHELAGOI <CHOWNING@ACUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Somalia - Abilene

A student leader and I spent what we thought would be a short ten minute talk
with the Mayor of Abilene this evening.  The meeting lasted for an hour and
a half.  We went in just wanting some contact people from him and a little
sympathy for the people of Somalia.  He was extremely escited about being
able to help in the project.  He said he had been at the Homecoming football
game and heard the announcement and was moved to know that 83 Somalis would
die of starvation during the 2 hour game.  He called around town making
arrangements for us to appear and raise funds.  He said he would make an
official proclamation that Nov. 14 or 21 (we will decide on Thurs.) will
be Abilene Helps Somalis Day.  He wants to posture it to get the optimum
media attention at the site where funds will be collected.  He is not
up for reelection, he just wants to help.  I am PUMPED.

--- Chelagoi
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:24:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov7.121623.9927@fy.chalmers.se> paul@fy.chalmers.se (Paul Hasl) writes:
>I saw this program 6 months ago, but I do remember that people are working
>on the problem trying to educate the people in central and northern Africa.
>And with some sucess, some countries have banned female circumcision.
>(if I remember correctly)
>paul


While you are at it we will educate you on the evils of pornography, both 
adult and child, and homosexuality.


Makala
From: dpacek@centerline.com (Dan Pacek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Internet Address in Zimbabwe ??
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:26:23 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.2.37


  Hi, 
  I have friends in Zimbabwe I would like to get in touch with. Is
 there anyone in Zimbabwe who is a subscriber to this service ? If so 
please reply to me by email to ---  dpacek@centerline.com.

				Thanx in advance

				Daniel Pacek

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi)
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:36:18 GMT

In article <1dpvnaINNptl@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>> A whole lot of stuff deleted.
>I for one would like to see a proper debate on these issues.
>Please let's try to do that honestly and without rancour. It
>is a problem that only white South Africans are posting since
>the experience that black students and staff have of
>institutions like Rhodes, UCT and Wits is not always the same
>that white students and staff have. Part of the reason is that
>there are some racists (of different types and hues) in

For the most part it's just that we're getting postings from the same 
institutions and by the same people. Just wondering, does anyone of you guys 
in SA know if any of the historically black universities get this newsgroup,
or whether they have email at all. I mean places like For Hare, Ongoye, UNITRA,
UNIBO, Turflop, etc.
>
>
>Scott
>-- 
>---shaze@cs.ubc.ca----------------------------------------------------------
>   Scott Hazelhurst    

--------------------
Fundisile

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: jeffreyj@wolf.cs.wisc.edu (Jeffrey Johnson)
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:13:47 GMT

Two years ago I attended a talk on AIDS in a fairly traditional
town in the Cameroon grassfields.  The audience was a church men's
group:  government workers, traders, and farmers.  A government
health worker spoke.

When he said that AIDS is transmitted in the U.S. primarily by
men having sex with men, some of those present nodded silently -
they had heard of such things.  Others (generally those with less
schooling) looked blank - confused.

It appeared to me that some sharp, involved people had never
before heard of homosexuality.
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:46:50 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
> A whole lot of stuff deleted.

Please don't rise to this flame bait. Go for a walk, have a cup
of tea, beer, valium, whatever.... and read the next article.
Venting your anger on the net just feeds into more 
rubbish  like Mr Mweene's last articel (yes I know I'm a 
hypocrite, but it _is_ good advice).There are so many points 
one could score on this article, but life isn't a pin ball game.

A number of important issues were raised in this posting, including
-- the relatively small number of black students in sciences
   and engineering
-- racism of different forms in Universities

I for one would like to see a proper debate on these issues.
Please let's try to do that honestly and without rancour. It
is a problem that only white South Africans are posting since
the experience that black students and staff have of
institutions like Rhodes, UCT and Wits is not always the same
that white students and staff have. Part of the reason is that
there are some racists (of different types and hues) in
these places, there are some people indifferent, there are some
people....., and just because the objective conditionds are 
just bloody difficult. It would be great to have some black 
South African input on the issue. Also, universities as a whole
are going under transformation, and it would be great if 
someone (eg CSM) could fill us in on some of the discussion.

Please let's take this seriously and be open to criticism and
ignore the personal stuff.


Scott
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---shaze@cs.ubc.ca----------------------------------------------------------
   Scott Hazelhurst
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Race and attitude (Was Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:07:36 GMT

In article <ZFSSB8T5@cc.swarthmore.edu> imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng) writes:
>linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>> 
>> the very least I try to give people a chance, which you appear to
>> consider unnecessary. 

>thank you for being this considerate, and generous we need more of you to
>give us a chance.  only it would be better if we did not have to fight for
>our right to self determination, then we would not have to be eternally
>greatful to you for pitying us and giving us a chance.

[suff deleted]

>> Just label them, John, and then you can spit them out. Just the way
>> the apartheid government has been doing for the last 44 years.
>> 
>not a bad idea seeing as most of them do not object to enjoying the
>privilages that comes with te color of their skin.  i mean why enjoy the
>benefits when you cannot and do not want to pay the price?
>
>phoka
>
>internet: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu

In a single posting, the brother here has hit at the very essence of white
liberalism......

kauta.

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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: female Circumcision
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.034357.9263@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>     Do you know me?   

 I do not know you, do not need to know you and do not want to know you.
 
>     I am quite happy that you have such a strong opinion. It really shows how
>knowledgeable you are in those things. You have probably been clitoridectomized
>yourself. Anyways, I'm ready to meet you any time Makala!
>      Hubert.
>

I am always warry of these men who show an outsize interest in  knowing other
men. One of the things I have learned here is that you have to be careful.>
>>

Makala
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african