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From: hjanssen@cbnewse.cb.att.com (hank janssen)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: a question  (AN ANWSER, Not even a smartass one:-))
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:34:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <6APR199217385456@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, by afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison):
> In article <1992Apr6.195925.29906@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, hjanssen@cbnewse.cb
> att.com (hank janssen) writes...
>>From article <1992Apr6.134409.1@runt.appstate.edu>, by grs01153@runt.
> appstate.edu:

A LOT OF STUFF DELETED.

>> 
>>I would consider it cheating if:
>>1) The person that you are having a relationship with is spending more
>>time with somebody of the opposite sex than you.  
> 
> Well, let's see, that qualifies a *large* number of working married people 
> as cheaters then. *Many* of them spend *way* more time with an opposite-sex 
> co-worker than they spend with their spouse, at least while concious.
>(Even  if  they  are suppose to be only friends)

I must admit, i did not state my first remark correctly.
I was actually meaning in a non professional way.  
> 
> Nope.  If the couple have no rules regarding not having friends of the 
> opposite sex, that is if each is secure in their own self image, then no 
> cheating has occurred in this scenerio. 
> 
>>2)  Goes  out  on  a  date  more than once with the same person of the
>>opposite sex. 
> 
> But dating within the same sex is ok ? :-)
> 

I never said it was, but lets just face it, If the person would go out
on a date with the same sex. His or her partner would never be able to
win would they............?

>>3) Sleeps, (you would have never guessed) with somebody else.
> 
> *If* not sleeping around is part of the agreement,,,
> 

If it is there  is  something  _very_  wrong  with  the  relationship
anyway.

>>4) Does anything seriously physical with the oposite sex.
> 
> See above...

Same here.

> 
>>5) Is more open in converstation with the opposite sex than with you.
> 
> BZZZZZZT. *Big* time... Unless, *again*, there is an explicit or implicit 
> agreement *not* to share with opposite sex friends. 
> 
> This *last* one, however, *is* an indication of potential problems within 
> the relationship, IMHO.  Each relationship is different, but in a 
> relationship built on mutual trust and communication, having to go 
> elsewhere for meaningful conversation should be an alarm.
> 
> 

Your second statement confirmed my first statement.

> No flame, Hank, just food for thought.
> 

Where do you shop, Dominicks.???
(:-)

>> 
>>Just my debt's worth.....
> 
> -- Stephen 
> 


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                  att!ihlpb!hjanssen               | It is better 
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From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Do You Remember - early '60s edition
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:22:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr15.212207.13526
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <12445@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.191857.8294@cbfsb.cb.att.com> joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes:
>>
>>>And of course the ultimate toy from the 60's:  Triumphs!!
>>>
>>
>>What are Triumphs ?
> 
>A Triumphs is either motorcycle or a car.  Both are pretty neat toys.

duh I get it,  hey my mind was in the 60's as a child. I was far from thinking
about adult toys.

>
>>
>>what about spider bikes with sissy bars and banana seats ?
>>
>I had the neatest bike back then.  It had a four foot sissy bar and butterfly
>handlebars with purple handlebar tape.  The banana seat was mettalic purple
>and was connected to the sissy bar with springs.  The forks were extended 
>about 9". What a bike. 
>

Mine was blue with a metalic banana seat, butterfly handle bars that had
white and blue tassles hanging out of them, and a sissy bar with a red
glow in the dark round reflector in the back. ahhhh the days of the 
souped up bike.

Hey I see them once in a while on Brady Bunch reruns.

OK what about the game Mystery Date he he. You would get your choice of dates
1 was in a bathing trunks, one was in a tux and one was derssed as a nerd.

I bet a lot of guys on usenet hated that one. he he just a joke now.

Joni
From: ronan@codon3 (Karen Ronan;161 GPBB;x2-0884)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: A Progression of Sorts
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:22:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s7e9lINNldn
Organization: University of California
NNTP-Posting-Host: codon3.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr11.135035.19619@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karleen sue davis) writes:
>want to play at it.  But I am.  We are.  (That's what "mini-marriage" means;
>we're together, we're exclusive, and we have barely any friends but each
>other because we're attached at the hip.)  I want this focused exclusivity
>to come LATER, after college, after I "grow up" (which may be never).  So how

I'm not sure this focused exclusivity (if it means having barely any
friends and being attached at the hip) is EVER a great idea. It represents
emotional dependency and force of habit, fear of the other person meeting
people more attractive or interesting than oneself, and it limits you and
the other person and keeps both of you enchained to each other and unable
to fulfill your separate interests and activities. People need to merge
and separate, merge and separate.  No one can do a continuous separation
or a continuous merging for long. Conflicts rise because we need both.

>do I change the way *I* see relationships and the progression from the first
>shy glance to marriage, and how do I change the relationship I'm in?  (In case

To change the relationship you're in, you and your partner have some
communication in which you mutually decide on how to change it. You
might tell him that you need more time to do other things, and that
this has nothing to do with your feelings about him. He might secretly
be wishing for the same thing as you! If he argues with you about what
you need, then I would state as clearly as possible that I needed this
for myself, and reiterate that my feelings toward him were completely
the same. Most of the time a partner will understand this concept.
-Karen
ronan@codon2.berkeley.edu

ronan@codon2.berkeley.edu

Where the seller of stars, for a penny or two, will sell your
Heart's desire to you."
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa (Carp ????)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:47:21 GMT

Teresa Kline writes:
>Stephen Dennison writes...

>>>Not to mention not saying if you want it... :)
>>
>>Want it ? Heck, after all this time I'd be luck to recognize it. :-)
>>
>Well....I *could* buy you a book?????

No help.  It's been so long I think I'm going blind anyhow.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry --- I'm looking for the spirit of a great heart -
- The Ohio State University ----------- Guk a 'mzimba Sala 'nhliziyo ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu --------------------------------------
From: erc@pogo.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Some things never die!
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:15:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pogo.corp.sun.com

In article <7APR199208110716@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes:

>Maybe you should think about that, Ed! 

Huh?  What?  [popping back into porting-code-to-linux-land]
--
Ed Carp                                      415/336-0797 (work)

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: Where did the romance go?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:02:15 GMT



BRAVO !!! BRAVO !!!


Yet another well said piece...

in fact its about time someone did...this newsgroup seem
to be alittle on the edge lately. Lets not get too cynical
here, there are other newsgroups for that...


:-)

Suzaina
 
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
From: tlode@isis.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: world,soc
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 18:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.003948.11015@borland.com> figmo@borland.com (Lynn Gold) writes:

[...]

>Somehow it comes out in this conversation that:
>
>1. He hadn't considered us to be a "couple" since the previous August (this
>   was late July!).
>2. He admitted to having never indicated this to me.
>3. He'd slept with another woman, but wouldn't tell me who or when, saying
>   it was "none of [my] business."  (Yeah.  Right.)
>
[...]

>Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is that it's VERY wrong to sneak in and
>break up a relationship.  Honesty is always the best policy all around; that
>way, nobody gets hurt.  The only time honesty doesn't apply is when you're
>physically trapped (such as I was when I was married to a physically abusive
>guy).

I agree with you on the value of honesty--in the long run, everyone gets
hurt less when everyone is being honest.  I don't think we can conclude,
though, that it was the "other woman" at fault--indeed, it would seem
reasonable to suspect that the guy wasn't in the habit of being more
honest with her than he was with you and if we're looking to place moral
opprobrium on someone, it would seem to rest entirely on the shoulders
(or whatever other anatomical areas you feel most suitable) of man who
spent a year being dishonest to those he was involved with.

Interestingly enough, I've seen situations like this a number of times
in the past, situations where A and B are involved, B decides to break
up with A but doesn't actually inform A of this fact (since this could
imperil B's ability to sleep with/borrow money from. etc. A) and B goes
on to get involved with C (and possibly D, E, F, G, H, I, J,....) while
continuing a "relationship" with A under false pretenses.  In each case,
it's been B who actively initiated relationships with C, etc., usually
telling them that the relationship with A was over or that A was OK with
whatever B wanted to do with C.  (I even recall one B who was in the
habit of getting engaged to A, C, D, and E concurrently, but then 
sometimes it seemed like his primary source of income was sponging off
his fiancee's and he probably wanted to make some sort of major 
purchase.)

The point I'm trying to make is that dealing with people honestly,
without coercion, manipulation, or deceit, even if you might be
expressing honest interest in someone who is already involved isn't
really all that heinous--it's harming others through deceit that's
reprehensible.

Trygve
From: erc@pogo.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa (New Insight !)
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:30:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pogo.corp.sun.com

In article <10APR199210500771@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:

>Hey, Ed. You *don't* know what you're missing... she's an acrobat too and I've 
>got *PROOF* !!!!!  You wouldn't *believe* what *I* saw last night !

Yeah?  And, pray tell, is that????
--
Ed Carp                                      415/336-0797 (work)

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From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa  (Carp ????)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.16APR199212281673
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <CSUAT.92Apr16123635@lily.warwick.ac.uk>, csuat@csv.warwick.ac.uk 
(Pete "Ganders" Favelle) Honks...

[RE: Keeping this thread in a.r]
>Well it's about the most entertaining thread around right now!

>Ganders

Well, that's 5 `for' and 2 `against'... all votes in ?? :-)

>> 		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!

Well, it *is* better than the `alternative', isn't it ?


>(YEAH!)

-- Stephen 

(The only two valid e-mail addresses from now on are ...)
afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov,  afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov
.. boring .sig follows, press n to skip it.

	Never regret a *choice*.  Rather, save your regrets for the
	choices you *didn't* make.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul "Axel" Virgo)
Subject: And Now for Something Apartly Similar...(kiss!)
Summary: I wrote it...I'm glad I wrote it...It takes tough times to...
Keywords: READ,KILL,READ,WALK THE DOG,READ,GRIT THY TEETH,READ...
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:35:16 GMT

Ahem....

And now, something to bore you alt.romancers to tears with...

A little (very!) piece composed by someone who peruse,views,chews,then
leaves(without ever replying to anything).

After you have had time to scan this...you may want to come together as
a group and silently,yet cautiously, hunt me down and shoot me. Or make
me vote Republican. Whichever...


It's Love...
------------
When she passes me on the street,
My heart skips fast 40 beats,
And I get that squishy feeling in my feet,
(Nothing Desenex couldn't treat)
it's love....

In the hall, I sit and stare
As she pauses to check her hair,
Yet she doesn't know I'm there,
Whoops!--have to hitch up my underwear--oomph!
it's love...

At school games (we lose and win)
I watch her scream above the din
"KICK THE SUCKERS IN THEIR SHINS!",
Lord I know it ain't a sin,
to watch her poms-poms swish end-to-end,
(Hey buddy, whaddaya mean I'm downwind??),
it's love...

In a darkened pizzeria,
(Where they make peperroni-flavored diarrhea),
hard I work,
She just came in, looking classy,
--with SOME dude who looks quite sassy,
(Who's this jerk??)
Holding hands under the table,
Oh my hurt, I'm scarcely able,
to contain...
So in anger I will sprinkle,
jalapeno' peppers,hot and wrinkled,
and vengefully bake them in their order,
A triple-thick-cheeses plain.

Now the folks of alt.romance,
have been given a special chance,
To read these lines long and expansed
That I've typed,
--Wait--I hear the gripes and grumbles,
of each reader as they mumble,
As in unison they tremble, 
'What's this tripe!!!!'

Soon, they'll find me in a huff,
Teresa will kick me in my duff,
drieux my body in a canister stuff,
Because of this post,
And as they walk away, vindicated,
I will hear their voices hated,
'This is alt.romance,you jerk,not alt.gross!!'

Just a lil' diversion. 
-- 

Paul "Axel" Virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Distribution: world,soc
Date:  7 Apr 1992 12:22 EST  

In article <1992Apr7.144714.1315@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes...
> 
>	Hmmm... I think I know how you feel. Presently, I'm getting too
>close with an ex-girlfriend who has a habit of telling things about her
>present boyfriend. The good news is that we can really open up to each
>other, the bad news is that I usually hear not so nice things about her
>boyfriend. I personally think it is NOT right to break up a relationship
>so I basically mentions his good points everytime she's upset about him.
>(This occurs even if I thought he was a total jerk about the situation)
>However, I always have second thoughts... Everyone can tell you that it
>is NOT right to break up a friendship but it might be for the best. 

This reminds me of a friend of mine whom I love dearly.  He is male, and 
has never been my SO.  But he showed me once just how much he loved me and 
how much he valued my friendship.  He did it by pointing out what an idiot 
I was being with my current boyfriend.  He told me, in detail, how I had 
changed for the worse while dating this guy.  He pointed out how much 
quieter I was, and rather subservient because that was what this guy 
expected.  
Sure, I was angry for a while.  No one likes to have their stupidity 
pointed out to them.  But, within a few weeks I started to think about what 
he had done.  He was willing to risk our friendship in order to save me 
from pain and heartache.  *That* is a friend.

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
From: ronan@codon3 (Karen Ronan;161 GPBB;x2-0884)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: A Progression of Sorts
Date: 10 Apr 1992 03:48:19 GMT
Organization: University of California
NNTP-Posting-Host: codon3.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr9.181328.7176@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karleen sue davis) writes:
>Query:  I've been socialized to believe that marriage is the "goal;" that
>the measure of a relationship is how long you stayed together--how close
>you came to the goal.  Now, I KNOW this isn't true; the counter-examples
>are numerous, but I can't seem to get it out of my head, or my heart anyway.

I can identify with this, even at my advanced (cough) age.
Possibly many women have been brainwashed/influenced into the idea
that they have "succeeded" in the game of love when they've "landed"
a husband or stayed with a man long enough to "gain respect."

This idea has been permanently entrenched from childhood and
I don't even try to remove it anymore. But I'm not letting it ruin
my life, if these events aren't taking place (especially since I
don't even want them to). I've found that this socially accepted idea
can co-exist with my own original ideas of how I would like my
life/love life to be *right now.* And if things change, that's fine.
I'm not going to force myself into a mold of society's or my own
choosing. The mold can be broken.
-Karen

"Ubi caritas et amor				Karen Ronan
Deus ibi est."					ronan@codon2.berkeley.edu
(Where there is compassion and love,
God is.)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: grs01153@runt.appstate.edu
Subject: Re: a question (AN ANSWER, not even a smart ass one)(yeah right!)
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:07:48 GMT

Stephen, *the* smart ass indeed!
First of all, allow me to commend you on restraining yourself from the
Frady-Cat jokes....most people gain that ability in about the fourth grade,
but we all understand that there are late-bloomers among us, and we must all
share your joy when such milestone is reached!

Secondly, as though you really care, I will gladly tell you why I asked my
question, provided you email me..it is not something I care to post for
everybody and their brother to see...(and if you don't have a brother, then
everybody and their goldfish, chinchilla, or cheese sandwich)

And IF, by some miracle from God and all the Saints, you actually have
something constructive to say, I'd be overjoyed to read it. 

-s-- 
`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'  
`'Shannon Frady                                     |                         `'
`'GRS01153@appstate.edu                             |          WELL.          `'
`'Appalachian State University                      |                         `'
`'Boone, NC                                         |                         `'
`'Doo woppa good times                              |                         `'
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`'            The car is still here, but I think she went to the airport.     `'
`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
From: 06zonker@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic music list
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:51:09 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <sean.casey.12@EMCB.CC.UTAH.EDU>, sean.casey@EMCB.CC.UTAH.EDU (SEAN THOMAS CASEY) writes:
> 
> 	Okay, folks, here's a new concept for this net.  I've read a lot of 
> complaints about how this has turned into a "bitch.net" about how men are 
> assholes and women are bitches and nobody can get along with anyone and no 
> one can get anyone else to be interested in them . . . . and this is 
> supposed to be a net about romance.
> 	Well, here's something new to chew on for a while.  The songs listed 
> here are ones which, I've found, tend to be really good for "setting the 
> mood" on that special occasion.  Most of them, for me, have been used to ask 
> that special someone to slowdance with me.
> SCORPIONS:
> 	Still Loving You
> 	Holiday
> 	Lady Starlight
> 	Believe in Love
> 	Send Me An Angel
> 	Winds of Change
> 	When the Smoke Is Going Down
> 
> PAT BENATAR:
> 	We Belong
> 	Don't Let It Show
> 	Wuthering Heights
> 
> ASSORTED ARTISTS:
> Tender Is the Night -- Jackson Browne
> Alone Again -- Dokken
> Patience -- Guns 'n' Roses
> Pachelbel Canon in D Major -- Johann Pachelbel
> This Night -- Billy Joel
> Nothing Else Matters -- Metallica
> I Can Stop the World -- Tony Cary
> Shine On You Crazy Diamond -- Pink Floyd
> On the Turning Away -- Pink Floyd
> Send Her My Love -- Journey
> Faithfully -- Journey
> Don't Stop Believing -- Journey
> Desperado -- Eagles
> Stairway to Heavan -- Led Zeppelin
> Hotel California -- Eagles
> Tequila Sunrise -- Eagles
> Loving on Borrowed Time -- (I don't recall the duo)
> Bridge Over Troubled Water -- Simon & Garfunkel
> Mandy -- Barry Mannilow (yes, the man does have some uses)
> 
> 	anyways, that's the best I can do offhand and with limited time.  
> Let's see what y'all can come up with.  C'mon . . . take your best shot!!
> 
> 	Sepiriz of the Nihrain
>             aka Sean.Casey@emcb.cc.utah.edu

*********************************************************+**************

 TONY CAREY!!!!!!! My greatest idol EVER!!!!! I just cant believe he's not
all that well known...just one of those inexplicable anomalies, I suppose..

Any other people of discerning, impeccable taste (fans :) out there?


Ice on Planet P
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