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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett: an Amiga pioneer (was Re: More AmigaWorld Lies)
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:38:08 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <53062@dime.cs.umass.edu> by barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett):

> 	I remember the first time Marc arrived in the comp.sys.amiga
> groups.  He was but a mere whiner back then.  In the space of a week, he

    Same here. I think in either his first or second article he said
    that he would post whatever tripe he was pushing every week until
    something happened.

>                                                         Dan
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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:10:27 GMT

marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG) writes:

>>IDE is a shame when you start considering CDROM. Commodore finally
>>starts doing something about CDTV compatablility with the Amiga, then
>>releases its star machine without a SCSI interface to support it !

>I've already posted elsewhere on this subject, but I think it's worth
>repeating. 

>The A4000 has a PCMIA interface.  C= are shortly to release a CD-ROM
>drive for the A600 which will connect via the PCMIA interface. 
>Ta-Da!  Instant CDTV compatability for the A4000 and all future Amigas
>which have a PCMIA interface.
>This is a very good (and significant) move IMO.

Well, its good that it has the slot, but this leads me on to something
else I've been wondering. Say you fill that slot with a CDROM drive.
Where do you stick your flash memory card ? (no rude suggestions ;-) 

Is there a sort of pass-thru slot on the CDROM card ?

This is especially critical for A600 owners as it is their ONLY
expansion port on a very minimal machine.
>	Mark

Gary.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:00:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
:    Safe Harbor is a MAIL ORDER COMPANY, not a dealership.  They may be 
: subsidizing a storefront as a means to allow them to benefit from occasional
: walk-in sales, but the very likely make the bulk of their profits from 
: mail-order sales.  Thus, Safe Harbor is not a very good example to use.

Then I imagine you think the same of Creative Computers, and many of
the others that run a dealership AND happen to be mail-order.
Frankly, they've been as helpful as any other dealer, and there's
nothing different about them FROM every other dealer.  I take repairs
there.  I walk in and buy software.  I get books there.  What
"qualifies" it as a real dealer to you?  The above qualifies it for
me.  They've got a CDTV Professional system on display, as well as a
500 and a 3000, and they've got 2000's littered about the place.

They're as much a dealership as any.

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From: danaf@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:20:13 GMT

Nan...

Yes, we've heard of JPEG. It's been alive and well on ASDG's "Art Department
Pro" since very early this year. 

BTW... IMHO, ADPro is one program every Amiga owner (who has at least 5 megs
of RAM...) should not be caught without. Now, if only they'd add virtual RAM
support... 8)

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:15:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <35070@cbmvax.commodore.com> kcd@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Dyke - Amiga Networking) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.204454.7061@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
< My disgruntled .signature deleted>
>
>BTW, Ian.  I consider your signature to be very unprofessional.  I'm sure you

Well, I changed it. And people do put nasty things about MS in their
.sigs. I've gotten a grip now. So far it seems C= is dedicated to advancing
the Amiga beyond the old limited architecture. That is good. I'll quit
bitching. I'll hold onto my A3K and look forward to the other nifty stuff
from C=.

Ian "I have a grip now" Kennedy

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Icon default tool paths (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:27:05 GMT

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
: Secondly, somebody's gotta say it.... YES, forget about the 1.3
: users. 2.04 is now the official version of WB/KS, and it's about 
: time programmers developers started realizing that. It pisses me off 
: that, even on new programs like Quarter-Back 5.0,
: the font handling for oversized WB title fonts is incorrect. I have my
: WB window title font set to 24-point Futura, my favorite CG font, and a nice
: readable size for titles. Unfortunately, HALF of the programs
: published since the release of 2.04 don't create the correctly-sized 
: structures (e.g: an 8-point window title, with buttons and/or text
: UNDER the bottom 2/3 of my font...) and
: another 50% of the ones that DO handle it correctly do it in a
: stupid way. Such as QuarterBack 5.0, where the the
: structures ARE sized correctly, but my font is too big
: to fit everything on the screen! Any program that does not allow the user
: to customize fonts under 2.04 is not, in my opinion, written properly.

To be honest, that's a little hellish to do.  Now, I'll agree, there's
no excuse for screwing up the drag bar.  That's just plain stupid.
However, getting a font-insensitive interface is NOT trivial.  Nowhere
near, unfortunately.  Programs SHOULD, if they can't do it, force a
specific font size.  In particular, they should force Topaz 8.

But it's NEAR impossible to design a user interface of a mediocre to
large complexity in full font-insensitivity.  If it were easy, _I_
would do it.  Unfortunately, until it's easier, I force topaz 8.

I hope someone comes up with a good solution.  If a certain TM could do
it, I'd be happy.  Unfortunately, it can't.  Hopefully, it will before
I have to write a certain program... Seems there really aren't any
good engineering programs out there, so I'm going to do something
similar to SPICE...

Greg

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:53:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.071832.16158@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>    In a way, the AA chipset is going to become the great equalizer, in favor of
> systems like the Mac and IBM systems which have had 256-color hi-res modes for
> a long time.  Ever since the Mac II and IBM SVGA systems first started coming
> out, people have been complaining about their slowness while stating (falsely)
> that the Amiga was faster.

It is. The Mac II and IBM SVGA systems are still slower than the Amiga even
in Mono. And it doesn't have anything to do with the hardware. It's the
software. The Amiga system software is simply more efficient.

And no, this isn't sour grapes. I've been saying it all along.
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From: zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: The new amigas
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  7 Sep 92 00:05:42 GMT

What do you think the chances are that the new Amigas (specifically
the A800 or whatever it'll be called) will have detachable keyboards?
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:30:01 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep13.210310.15279@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>Huh?  C= specifically mentions the same altering of resolution
>capability as in the ECS in their "A4000" press release!  The AGA can do
>1280 across, dude.  There's nothing preventing the AGA from doing
>800x600 in 16 colors, 1024x768 in 4 colors or 1280x1024 monochrome all
>noninterlaced.

Sure, non-interlaced, at about 12Hz maybe (for 1280x1024).
The problem is horizontal scan frequencies, or, if you like, pixel width in ns.
Their CLUT can work only so fast.  1280x200x60Hz is something like a 35ns pixel.
1280x1024x60Hz is something like a 7ns. pixel.  If I recall correctly.  The
math doesn't quite work out that way, but I'm not taking into account things
like "blank" (overscan) period, retrace times, etc....  1280x1024 may well work
out as 12 or 13ns without overscan....

Of course, you can always make your screen larger than the monitor's display
size.


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Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:06:29 GMT

In article <mykes.0dcv@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>Has anyone seen this EGS for real?

What?  Is it considered vapourware or something?

I had a good look at it at WOC in Sydney in July - I didn't watch, I actually
USED Workbench running on it.  I'd thought it would be your typical kludge, but
no, it was smooth and very, very fast, even with an 8-bit WB in 1280x1024.  I
was impressed by the transparency of it, and the way that WorkBench apps could
just use it (they demonsrated the customary ProWrite importing a 256-colour
image) - I started wondering just what the fuss with RTG was all about.  The
only negatives are the price and the fact that you need a GVP CPU board for the
A2000 to hang it off.  A guy from GVP there claimed that they were seriously
considering an A3000, Zorro III version - he told me there was no truth in the
rumour that Zorro III isn't fast enough for EGS.

Anyway, this was two months ago, and we're at the far end of the Earth here,
so I'm really suprised that everyone hasn't seen it yet.


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From: zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga World published by Satan
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:46:21 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

I just got the new AW and am expecting to hear all new flames on it,
so feel free (now that you have my permission)

Why is Doug Barney's face in this issue above the editorial?  Didn't
somebody say that he moved?
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:01:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154655.16558@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>
>>PC's have set back progress in micro computing by years.
>>
>
>Oh please.  That phrase has been posted here about a thousand times, and it
>still makes no sense.  However, it *is* classic .advocacy;  I'd like to know
>who first came up with it.

I don't know, but I've used it for years. I was never enthusiastic with PC's,
although I did buy a PS/2 (80) before my latest mistake. Let's see, I 
finished school in 1972 and have applied that statement to IBM at that time
when we were using cards. So...
>
>>>
>>>Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
>>>the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.
>>
>>That's not a lie +/- 50k depending on your memory manager. You simply don't
>>have more than 640k of real RAM (unless you use OS/2 or Unix, which is another
>>story.  OS/2 does not support MPC's yet, and Unix is better run on a NeXT, for
>>example. I defy you to point to any evidence that DOS users have more than
>>640k of omemory without going the extendor route.
>>
>
>DOS extender or different OS, an 8MB PC is *not* limited to 550KB of usable
>RAM.

I excluded DOS extendors from your list. There are few programs which use them.
I actually own 2 (Gauss and S+). So they bypass the OS. Let's stick to DOS
and Windows, say.
>
>>
>>Look, Jerry I'm actually pretty open about PC's. I went so far as to get one.
>>I have a number of systems.  It's simply the worst of the lot.  Please 
>>explain how you get around the 640k issue.
>>
>
>I use Windows and Unix.

Windows does not get around the 640k barrier. Unix runs on a lot of computers.
I don't see it as a major PC OS and in any case excluded it from the 
running. I realize that Unix and OS/2 get around the 640k (and 64k) barrier.
As far as Windows goes, let's just stick to one nice program. It can open
up several 640k sessions, but I don't see it breaking the 640k barrrier
unless you count its use of virtual memory.

Try recording sound with a PC using DOS and see how many seconds you get.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:02:07 EST

In a message dated Fri 11 Sep 92 21:19, Jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (joh
wrote:

 J>     isn't intense enough. If they do have the creativity, they don't
 J>     have the will.

Or the need :-)

 J>  This is also a gross generalization, because I have
 J>     seen demos from American groups.

everything in life is a generalization of some sort.  Humans can't possibly
exist without some form of "grouping" of the masses.

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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:50:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.163608.12908@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>>
>>>Overpriced it may be, but at $199, it puts to sleep all the arguments
>>>about video being super-expensive on PC's.
>>Your "solution" does not address gen-locking.
>
>Doesn't gen-locking requires an external device even on the mighty Amiga?
>Such devices are hardly free of charge, are they?

$199+$X > $0+$X, plus the fact that the NTSC converter may not even HAVE
an easier genloc capability.. (But it most likely does, why else would
you want to NTSCize VGA?).  Genlocs for the Amiga range from $80 for the
ultra-cheapo model, for decent models from $200 to $2500 depending on the 
quality.   Actually, I doubt the ultracheapo model I saw is being sold
anymore, oh well.

>IMHO, this just doesn't happen.  I certainly haven't known any such users,
>nor have I seen any advertisements for "PC configuration" services.  If these
>services were typical as you say, wouldn't they be a bit more visible?
>
>The typical user also buys a complete system.

True.  Basically, a user will only need to worry about setting
everything up once for each board (or whatever) he gets.  Autoconfig
(TM) just makes it much easier.   


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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:51:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.204454.7061@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>Yeah, then who develops new software for the "AGA" chips? If all of the
>low and mid-range can ONLY do ECS stuff?

There is no reason you can't write software that works on any Amiga.
Under the new system you have to inquire about what modes the machine
supports (basically RTG) and you can allow the user to open one on
the list.  AGA software will work under ECS unless it really needs the
256 colours on screen.

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FINALLY!  THE MARC BARRETT POSTING TRANSLATOR!!!
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.012907.29395@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-as@po.berkeley.edu (Chuck Woo) writes:
> this has got be the winner of the all-time longest flame award.

No. Kent Paul Dolan once flamed me in a message so big it had to be split into
five parts. But Kent has always had a bit of a problem with reality.
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From: dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with the A4000
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:27:50 EST
Organization: Dejital Software

In article <1992Sep12.083819.17967@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>But the development costs involved in creating this IDE design must have been
>very substantial compared to the costs that would have been involved in
>simply carrying over the A3000's existing SCSI design to the A4000.  These
>development costs are still costs, and Commodore is going to want to recoup
>these costs as quickly as possible.  This means boosting the list prices
>to pay the development costs, and then lowering the list prices later as

Not to mention that a "multimedia" machine such as the 4000 would have
its users wanting things such as tape drives and CD-ROM.  So easy with
SCSI, but I guess A4000 users are going to have to pay even more to
get a SCSI interface for their 4000s.

I've actually seen SCSI hard disk prices lower than IDE prices for the
SAME hard disk model, manufacturer AND vendor.  Check the ads in BYTE!
You are not saving much by going to IDE, and you're screwing many high
end users.  I wonder if Amiga Unix knows about IDE...

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:47:50 GMT

>	And where are all the IBM versions of Amiga original games?  The 
>problem with a lot of the Amiga users on this group is that they suffer
>from "the grass is greener" complex.  IBM games are generally flight sims
>and RPG games (Note: thats all that Gregory Greene, a confirmed Amiga->IBM

	Yes, I have moved to the IBM and sold my Amiga, but that does not
  mean I have given up on the Amiga.  If the AA machines are reasonably
  priced I will get one.

>convert, lists above.)  Amiga games are targets more towards action games
>and puzzle games, like lemmings.  I've seen a few games that were Amiga first
>(Not many) and they didn't look quite as good on IBM.  The point is, why 
>should we demand that companies port every IBM game to Amiga? Wouldn't it
>be better to ask for more Amiga-original games?  With the exception of SimCity
>and one or two other ports, I don't remember ever enjoying a ported game as
>much as some amiga originals, like Lemmings...

        If the Amiga didn't get any IBM ports, there would be very few
   games out there for it.  It seems to me that most Software Companies are 
   originally developing games for the IBM PC not the Amiga.  Of course,
   there are exceptions, like lemmings, but they are dwarfed by the number
   of original games coming out for the IBM PC.

							G.Greene
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