HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SGI Indigo: Dig. Audio & Animation
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:27:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov4.220932.9383@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
>In <1992Nov4.125918.1112@yvax.byu.edu> feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
>writes:
>*
>*NeXT enthusiasts, though, should not be making too many remarks about 
>>*SGI's "expensive" apps.  :-)  However, the Indigo does have some  
>*disadvantages compared to a NeXT.  I may be wrong here, but I've been
>told  
>*that the Indigo has a DSP, but no DSP port or software access to the
>DSP  
>*itself (you can't program it).  It's used only as a sound manager. 
>This  
>*makes nifty programs like MetroTracks for the NeXT (a direct-to-disk 
>>*recording system)...not easy to do on the Indigo.
>*
>
>Hmm... Then what's this Multitrack program (and TidalWave and
>Soundeditor)
>I've been using.  Coulda fooled me ;-).
>
>As it turns out, the R3000 is no slouch at signal processing, and is
>also
>much easier to program.  Further, MIPS CPU upgrades are coming at a
>faster 
>pace than 56K upgrades.  

I've been trying to stay out of this but this is getting tired.

1. Don't even think a R3000 can compete with *ANY* 56K derivative.

Why?  Because the 56K also gives you transparent data transfer both in and
out over several ports via interrupt service.  This means processing samples 
and never worrying about dropping samples that come in as long as your main
routine is not real long.  Try a hardware loop on a R3000, I don't think so.

My MSEE project was digital audio applications hardware and software on a NeXT.
The main drawback on the Indigo is *NO* access to the 56K while on the NeXT
I can do what ever I like.  System beeps and such are handled by the OS 
and the 68040 and don't need the DSP.

Also a 4 track application can be written for the NeXT in about 4 hours if you 
have decent skills.  I know a friend of mine wrote one that does 4
tracks of stereo which means 8 mono tracks.  This included panning and
volume.

The stuff I did for my MSEE was digital effects stuff.  I can use my NeXT as 
a digital effects processor (all digital) or an all digital EQ.

SGI machines are good for graphics but they are not the cheapest things for 
digital recording.  A NeXT would be cheaper. 

Also note that NeXT software is more in line with PC prices than with the likes
of SGI and Sun software prices.



>
>Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com> | Election '92: a 250 million way tie for last.

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From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Irony in name change...
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:51:22 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

The new groups rec.music.makers.guitar and rec.music.makers.synth exist on the
system I use now.  

The first post to rec.music.makers.guitar was someone wondering if the group
was about guitar construction.  Wasn't this change supposed to clarify the
meanings of the groups?

I'm not complaining...just found this ironic.


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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Price of DR-550 Boss' "DR.Rhythm" ??
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:04:09 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

koradji@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Tan) writes:

>I am in a position to obtain a Boss' dr-550 (dr.rhythm) and the dealer
>is offering me a deal of A$320.00 for a SECOND-hand machine, but 6
>months old.
>
>Can anyone advise me as to the real worth of this machine, and am I
>about to get ripped off??

I have no idea what the exchange rates are nowadays, but I bought my DR-550
a year ago used for US$180.  I would strongly advise you not to pay more
than that.

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From: mal4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marty Lamb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ear training software?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:01:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi -

     Since I can't seem to find an FAQ, and I really don't frequent this group
much, I'll post a PFAQBINS (Probably frequently-asked-question, but I'm not
sure).  I have an IBM PC (386-33) with Sound Blaster pro.  What I'm looking
for is ANY information on a public domain / shareware / freeware / whatever
program for ear training.  In fact, I don't even care if it uses the internal
PC speaker!  If you have any info on such a program, please e-mail me.  Thanks
in advance. . .


Marty

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: rec.music.makers.*: chronology and comments from the vote-taker.
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:02:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.155820.26466@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  
(Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 
> >Should the subject line of articles posted to r.m.s. been more clear  
about  
> >what groups were affected?
> 
> >Possibly "rec.music.* renamed to rec.music.makers.*" or even so bold as  
> >"rec.music.synth renamed to rec.music.makers.synth"?
> 
> If you had read the proposal, which has been reposted, you would have
> known that the CFV covered more ground than just rec.music.synth.
> "rec.music.synth renamed to rec.music.makers.synth" would have been
> misleading and "rec.music.* renamed to rec.music.makers.*" is simply
> incorrect.

I have read the proposal. The point was should the content of the proposal  
AS IT AFFECTS THIS GROUP been stated in the subject line? I feel the  
subject line IT HAD was just plain incorrect in that IT didn't come close  
to covering the affected groups either. 

Big DEAL that it covers "more ground". Do you think the ground it covered  
in THIS GROUP was mentioned in the subject line? Was it?

Funny you think that one was fine and that mine are flawed.

You guys are way too funny.



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From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Tech help needed.....am I going to lose R.M.S???
Summary: Help, Am I going to lose R.M.S.????????
Keywords: Help R.M.S. Synth technical
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:32:41 GMT

I know nothing of the workings of the net (okay, not entirely true, but
pretty close). I am just wondering if I will lose contact to the newsgroup
through the name change. 
I am a grad student with an account at the University of Manitoba, Canada
Unix machines. Do I have to talk to smeone here about getting the new
newsgroup, or what?  If so, how do I get involved with L-SYNTH or whatever
that other listing is called, just so I can keep contact with R.M.S or
what ever it will be called.
I don't know how these things work, and am admitedly very very very very LOST.


HELP.


R. Martin
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Synth colors (was, Re: This foul-smelling...)
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison WI
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:46:03 GMT

Laird Nelson writes:
>Not only that, but it's just a *name*, for crying out loud.  And I've seen
>more interesting threads discussing what color you should paint your old
>analog beasties.

Hey, now that you mention it, my hot-rodded SH101 needs a new look. 
Our bass player just redid his axe with a few coats of metallic blue and
one of metallic green over the top, it's pretty snap. 

I was thinking of some doing collage work on the Roland using the 
Joel-Peter Witkin book, and maybe those old Polaroids off the oscilloscope.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.161311.27099@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  
(Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 
> >In the REAL world if you received a California ballot that was labelled  
> >Nevada, made to look like junk mail and at the bottom had a proposition  
to  
> >rename California to usa.westcoast.california, I think the public would  
> >have grounds for a complaint. Then again that wouldn't happen in the  
REAL  
> >world...
> 
> Such comparesions are at best of little value, and are mostly just plain
> bogus as the one above. The label above was directly misleading and  
could
> in no way, what so ever, be interpreted correctly. A better example  
would
> be if it was labelled "westcoast" and contained ballots for California,
> Oregon and Seattle.
> 

It was an example off the top of my head. Geez - if only this much  
scrutiny were given to the RFD and CFV artciles before THEY went out.

The problem with both of our analogies is that some of the members of  
r.m.s. were unaware that 'synth' belongs to 'makers'. In the previous  
hierarchy it didn't - and to some it doesn't fit there anyway.

It's funny that the subject line on its own requires that someone already  
be familiar with the proposal to understand its meaning.

> 'Made to look like junk mail'? How wrong can you be?

You don't think hundreds of messages per day that contain acronyms like  
'RFD' and 'CFV' cause your eyes to glaze over? Take a refresher course in  
human psychology. If you want something to be notice the LAST thing you  
want to do is put an over-used term with little else in a title.

> -- 
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From: bteo@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Teo Boon Cheang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland D-20 sound patch
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:31:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I am wondering if anyone out there have a collection of sound patches
for the Roland D-20 synth.  I'm looking for them. Thanks.

Steven




Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 15:59:47 GMT

bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:

>(1) One person said that if a CFV appears in this group, that it affects
>this group... not so... there are also a couple of CFVs in the non-expired
>stuff that is for REC.MUSIC.REGGAE (I think that's spelled right).

This was not a valid CFV.  There was no discussion and it was not
recognized by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups.  It is for this
exact reason that we have the guidelines.


>(2)  The CFVs on this group were probably valid... but the thing about
>rec.music.synth was tacked at the end of SEVERAL changes proposed by
>a single CFV.  To be honest, I'd seen the titles go by, read the first
>page (on one of our default-sized screens which are only 23 lines long
>or so) and thought that this one seems to deal with percussion and
>guitars, and ignored the whole thing.  I would have voted against
>the changes IF I'd READ THE WHOLE THING.    It starts off talking
>about the alt. heirarchy... and it isn't until you're half way through
>that you know what's going on.  (This sort of thing goes on in 
>Congress all the time from what I understand... although in this
>case I don't see any evidence of underhanded motives... :-))

You would have voted against all the measures (remember that they WERE
presented as four separate votes) just because one of them proposed changing
the name of rec.music.synth?  


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From: bdenckla@husc10.harvard.edu (Benjamin Denckla)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for old analog synth modules
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov7.111512.17199
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm interested in buying old analog synth modules.  I am most interested
in Serge modules, though Buchla would be of use as well.

Ben Denckla
Harvard University Electronic Music Studio
From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Request for SY85 Info
Keywords: sy85
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:32:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 Hello. If anyone out there has an SY85 and would like to review it, please
 e-mail me with your review. I would like to learn more about this machine.
 If you would like to get a copy of the responses, please email me also.

  Thanks!

   - Chris
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:58:36 GMT

In article <2AFD46B2.8A93@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen):
> >According to Lazlo Nibble:
> >> If it happened because nobody in the group was paying attention -- as
> >> seems to be the case here -- I'd shut up and accept the result.   
Really. 
> >
> >What a completely elitist attitude.
> 
> No.
>

It's elitist because the only class of people that understood the  
implications of the articles are those who are intimately familiar with  
net guidelines, and a subject line that was descriptive would have  
prevented that.

> An elitist attitude would be, "Those r.m.s readers are not capable of
> making a good decision, so we'll do it for them."
> 

To some degree this occured and will continue to do so.

> In contrast, Lazlo (with whom I agree) says, "Those r.m.s readers are
> capable of making a good decision, but apparently they didn't care
> enough to speak up; so it's their loss that they don't like the result
> of the discussion they ignored."

It's not that people didn't care to vote - it's that they didn't know  
there was a proposition before them. 

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From: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se (Brad Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Guitar and MIDI
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:55:20 GMT
Reply-To: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Okay.  So what`s the best MIDI pickup for under $1000
and what can it do?  Gimme all the technical dirt.  I can
take it.

Brad
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Yamaha SY85
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:48:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ichips.1992Nov9.154843.11398
Organization: WCDP
Originator: pturner@rowdy


Hi there...

Does anyone out there know if Yamaha makes a synth that's close to/exactly
like the SY85 without the on-board sequencer?

	Thanks!

	Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Looking for a drumcomputer w/ Tape Sync
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 19:56:47 GMT

The Roland TR707 drum machine had tape sync. Korg and Yamaha both
made boxes that did tape sync to MIDI conversion. These are
discontinued but available used.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Kenneth J. Stineman <stineman@phoenix.princeton.edu>
Subject: FOR SALE: Roland TR 505 Drum Machine
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72836A6B8026802@dnwalkerkip2.princeton.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:28:22 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Class of '93
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:24:29 GMT

Roland TR 505 Drum Machine

great condition, no manuals.
Good first drum machine.
16 sampled drum sounds.
Various methods of recording drum tracks

MAKE AN OFFER!

DO NOT REPLY ON THIS BOARD, I NEVER READ IT
ALL REPLIES BY EMAIL OR PHONE TO:
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: troehl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tom Roehl)
Subject: Roland D-10 for sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:04:25 GMT


Roland D-10 Multi-Timbral Linear Synthesizer for sale.
 
Excellent starter synth.  Pristine condition, home use only, never on the
road.  Asking $550
 
Tom Roehl
tom@dacnet.com
(703) 276-1378 evenings
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:09:43 GMT
Organization: GSP Whitewater Slalom Racing Team

In article <DBBD8669E040542A@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU> WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU writes:
>Mr. "scrupulously fair" refused to accept my NO vote on the name change.
>
>Bill Scott

I accepted every properly-submitted vote that came in, yes, no, or split.
(Check the posted list of voters showing how each chose to vote.  It was
posted to news.announce.newgroups and all of the affected groups at
the conclusion of the vote.)  If you attempted to submit a vote and didn't
follow the instructions on voting, yes, your vote was sent back to you
with a note explaining that you needed to try again.  That was done as
a courtesy and as attempt to maximize participation in the process; the
voting guidelines do not require that.  (In other words, I could have
silently left your incorrectly-submitted vote sitting around until
the conclusion of the process without giving you a second chance.)
Several of the people who went through this did in fact re-send their
votes, following the instructions, and those votes were counted.

---Rsk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: neale@cc1.unt.edu (Eriq Oliver Neale, ACS)
Subject: WANTED: Mac <--> Mirage software
Organization: Computing Center, UNT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:44:11 GMT

I'm looking for some sort of Mac software that will allow for MIDI sample 
dumps back and forth into a Mirage (one of the original monster types). 
Anyone out there know of such a thing? I'm looking to keep a library of 
samples inside the Mac instead of on a series of disks for an improvement of 
loading speed during a live performance.

Net responses are OK, but e-mail responses would be much appreciated. :)

-Q

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: roland@sics.se (Roland Karlsson)
Subject: Move the *BAD* news out of rec.music.synth NOW
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:47:08 GMT


	The *BAD* discussion does not belong here.

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From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (A.R.F.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland's first MIDI synth
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 13:26:18 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

> In rec.music.synth, keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:
> 
>     What was Roland's first MIDI equipped synth?
> 
>     Was it
> 
>             a) Juno 106,
> 
>             b) JX-3P,
> 
>             or
> 
>             c) Jupiter 6  ?
> 
>     I've a feeling it was the Juno 106, but if anyone knows any better,
>     then let me know.
> 
> The JX-3P was out at least a year before the Juno 106, but I think that the
> Juno-60 DCB-MIDI converter box may have been out before the JX.
> 
>                   - Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
> 		  And Now For Something Completely Different.
> 
 
If I'm remember correctly, the first Roland MIDI synth was the Jupiter 6.
 
Five

Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:17982 news.groups:20684
From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:44:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sabotage.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov8.221655.5211@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>You don't think hundreds of messages per day that contain acronyms like  
>'RFD' and 'CFV' cause your eyes to glaze over?

One interesting fact is that the acronyms "RFD" and "CFV" are neither used
nor explained in the newgroup creation guidelines or in any of the
news.announce.newusers information.  Thus, it it unclear how the average
user, or even the informed user who has read all the newuser information,
is expected to know the importance of postings labelled "RFD" or "CFV".

Ken Shirriff				shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU