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From: u1f57@sunws44.bgm.link.com (William Loftin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: x based binary file editor (Motif preferred)
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:23:26 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 14:43:51 EDT
Message-Id: <9209271843.AA03924@sunws44.bgm.link.com>

Greetings
	I am looking for a binary file editor for viewing and modifying unix files.  A Motif front
end is preferred but others are completely acceptable.

Thanks in advance

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From: sze@enel.ucalgary.ca (Peter Sze)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Is there any way to re-direct audio output from host A to host B?
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:05:07 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Date: 30 Sep 92 20:42:09 GMT
Message-Id: <92Sep30.204209.17517@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Is there anyway of running x_soundtool in host A and
ask it to redirect its output to host B.

I would be able to change the DISPLAY to control the x_soundtool on
my host but it didn't change the audio output to my host.

Is there an easy solution for this?

Thanks!
From: dd2x@andrew.cmu.edu (David Eugene Dwiggins)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:15:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Date: 25 Sep 92 11:01:00 GMT
Message-Id: <Iekq7gO00Yde42FWsn@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.mach,comp.unix.sysv386


Maybe a S3 based card is shooting a bit low.  If I'm going to hand-assemble
a card, it might as well be worth my while.

How about designing a card with one of TI's chips?  34010 or 34020?
(Those part numbers don't look quite right, but anyway)

Getting a card up and working with a 34020 would be a real thrill,
since these cards cost $$$$.

David

PS.  I have no idea how much a 34020 costs.  Anyone know?
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 server problems on ultrix 3.1
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:18:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Intel Corporation

Date: 1 Oct 92 20:43:42 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.204342.10803@ichips.intel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


  System: VAXstation 3100
  OS    : ultrix 3.1
  X     : X11R5pl17

  I have finally had a chance to run the X11R5 server on a VAXstation 3100
(that's VAXstation, not DECstation) running ultrix 3.1. Everything works fine,
(which is vast improvement over the ultrix 3.1 X server) except:

  Depending on the user that starts the server (using the default X11R5 startx),
the cursor does not appear inside of application windows. The cursor (X logo,
left_ptr, etc.) shows up fine on the root, but not in an xterm window, for
instance. The cursor does shows up in the scrollbar for the xterm. This makes it
extremely difficult to use applications based on pushbuttons, for instance.

  I have not tested window manager dependancies extensively, but the problem
seems to be there using twm, mwm, or tvtwm.

  The weird thing is that another user logs in, using the same setup, and the
cursor works fine. I have seen the cursor go reverse video with the user that
works, but the cursor is still there.

  So, anyone have any ideas?

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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From: shakeel@.s3tech.com (Shakeel Mahate)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: imake and psroff
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:07:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: S3 Technologies, MD

Date: 24 Sep 92 14:32:48 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep24.143248.10359@s3tech.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

From: shakeel@s3tech.com (Shakeel Mahate)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
Organization: S3 Technologies
Subject: imake and psroff
Keywords: imake, psroff

Hi

I have a question regarding one of the variables in imake file

The variable TROFF has been assigned the utility "psroff"
Is psroff public domain software?
Where can I get it?

One more question on imake....

I am trying to use imake to build makefiles for a non X application
software?
Has anyone in the networld tried this before?
Maybe we can share some notes.

How does one build a SimpleProgramTarget with debug option on, or
for that matter any ProgramTarget?

Bye

-- 

Shakeel Mahate
Systems Engineer
S3 Technologies
Columbia MD 21045
410.312.3500.2166
shakeel@s3tech.com


From: shakeel@s3tech.com (Shakeel Mahate)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
Organization: S3 Technologies
Subject: imake and psroff
Keywords: imake, psroff

Hi

I have a question regarding one of the variables in imake file

The variable TROFF has been assigned the utility "psroff"
Is psroff public domain software?
Where can I get it?

One more question on imake....

I am trying to use imake to build makefiles for a non X application
software?
Has anyone in the networld tried this before?
Maybe we can share some notes.

How does one build a SimpleProgramTarget with debug option on, or
for that matter any ProgramTarget?

Bye

-- 

Shakeel Mahate
Systems Engineer
S3 Technologies
Columbia MD 21045
410.312.3500.2166
shakeel@s3tech.com
From: spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: R5 Server for DECstation 5000 HX ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:11:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

Date: 5 Oct 92 23:29:10 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct5.232910.19088@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <1992Oct2.081651.27774@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> beyer@utrtsc.dec.com (Peter Beyer) writes:
>In article <wittig.717949344@gmd.de>, wittig@gmd.de (Georg Wittig) writes...
>>Does anyone know if the MIT R5 X server for the DECstation 5000 also works
>>for the HX machines? Or is there a place where I can get an X server for
>>the HX?
>The HX framebuffer card can also work in "dumb" mode. (slower though) In this 
>mode it's working equal to a CX. Xdec in the R5 distribution works fine with
>it. (I've done it)
Well, I ran Xdec on a 5000/125 HX yesterday, for testing, and got a nice
enough screen while nothing was moving; as soon as eg xterm scrolled,
I got nervous flickering horizontal lines all over the screen.
I guess that was the HX card trying to be smart ..
How does one put the HX card into dumb mode ?
And as it's a crying shame to do so, what are the chances of someone
coming up with patches to Xdec so it can utilize the HX ?

regards,
	spz
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From: yhtao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yu-Hui Tao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help with g++ and Xlib or Xt (no Motif or OL)?
Date: 26 Sep 92 10:54:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Ohio State University

Date: 25 Sep 92 21:31:28 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.213128.18544@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi, netters:

I would like to use g++ with X window programming on a DECstation. From the
question 131 of comp.window.x FAQ (1992/8/30 version ) I learn that there
are some problems between them. 

Although it also lists some projects which can help, most of them are for 
Motif and Open Look actually. My question is how can I get around the problems 
for using g++ with Xlib or Xt only?

I appreciate any detailed comments, suggestions, opinions for telling me what I
can do with g++ and Xlib or Xt only! 

Thanks!

Yu-Hui Tao
ISE, OSU
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: keyboard events in Input Only window
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:31:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:53:30 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.035330.27549@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <BuqwsF.H4y@csn.org>, glp@teal.csn.org (Glenn Pinkerton) writes:

> I am trying to use an InputOnly window that covers the entire screen
> [and want keyboard input to this window, but] I cannot seem to get
> the server to send keyboard events.

Sounds like what grabs are for.  Grab the keyboard and you'll get all
keyboard events.  Note that you will get *all* keyboard events, which
may not be what you want; even keys that are normally grabbed by (say)
your window manager will be passed to your client: your active grab
will prevent any passive grabs fromk triggering.

> I am using X11R4, I assume with all of the patches (I don't have
> access to X source).

Actually, anyone does; both R4 and R5 are available by anonymous ftp,
and I understand there exist mail-based ftp servers for those who don't
have direct Internet connectivity.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Point in Polygon
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:17:26 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:21:57 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.172157.12264@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.motif

In article <1992Sep23.155808.19322@csusac.csus.edu> zhangz@athena.ecs.csus.edu (Zhihong Zhang) writes:
>I am working on a X/Motif application, in which I need to find out if
>a point is inside a polygon. Is there such function in Xlib, Xt or
>Xm library already? I would imagine you need similar functions in
>these library.

Two approaches are available to you.

(1) look at a graphics book like Foley and Van Dam to obtain a good
    containment-test algorithm, then implement it.  As you discovered,
    the art of containment-testing is in the boundary cases.

(2) Use XPolygonRegion to convert your boundaries to the
    Region representation, then use XPointInRegion to 
    test individual points for containment.  XPolygonRegion
    will take time to run, and the Region structure is not terribly
    compact, but XPointInRegion should be fairly fast.
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Really simple X program wanted.
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:37:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

Date: 27 Sep 92 18:49:46 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep27.184946.8782@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

All I need to do is open a window and draw some points in it.  Maybe lines,
but that's really not necessary.  Allocating colors would be nice too.

Is there a really simple program out there I could use as a template?

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From: ignatios@theory.cs.uni-bonn.de (Ignatios Souvatzis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 on IBM RT/AIX 2.2.1
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:20:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: /home/theory/ignatios/.organization

Date: 29 Sep 92 10:37:22 GMT
Message-Id: <IGNATIOS.92Sep29113722@theory.cs.uni-bonn.de>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt,comp.windows.x

Does anybody remember the X11R5-for-IBM-RT-with-AIX-2.2.1 posting?
Where can I get it?


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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: How to avoid screen: 0.1 (WAS: How do I Start Screen:0.1)
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:07:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 08:20:02 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.082002.13062@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep23.112203.3600@fwi.uva.nl>, wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)) writes:
>> [someone else's posting about Sun hardware with "overlay" plane used
>> as a second X screen]
> On some of our Suns (both Sun3s and Sun4s), the above scenario is set
> up correctly.  However, I don't want the second (b&w) screen!!!

I don't think there's any way to get rid of it, at least in the R4
code, which is the latest ddx/sun code I've worked with in any detail.

> It is *really* annoying that every time the mouse pointer hits the
> left or right screen border, it is wrapped onto the other screen.

But if that's all that's bothering you, RTFM and use the -zaphod option
to disable this automatic flipping.  (If you do this and then want to
display on the second screen, you'll have to get the pointer there some
other way, usually via XWarpPointer; I have two programs that can help,
and I think some window managers have this functionality.)

> - can I turn off the second (b&w) screen?

I don't think so.

> - can I use a different switching mechanism than wrapping the mouse
>   pointer around the left and right egde?

Yes.

> - can I enable/disable the second screen at runtime (i.e. while X is
>   running)?

No.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Drawing editor running under X-windows?
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:57:27 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Date: 5 Oct 92 22:32:41 GMT
Message-Id: <199210052138.AA01326@tuna.wang.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,
We need to make a proposal to a big manufacturer.  I'm looking
for a drawing editor ( E-size ) running under X-Windows on a risc machine.
The system will be able to scan E-size format, to modify and make cut & paste
between pages as well as writing on the page in different fonts.
An automatic translator for the text will be available or integrate.
The system will be able to import CAD drawings.
Does anyone know a solution ?

Thank you for your help

Regards
Christian
From: schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Help needed writing a simple Imakefile
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:11:16 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 30 Sep 92 02:03:04 GMT
Message-Id: <BvD9Lw.MCt@cs.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.windows.x

Researchers working on mutation testing, take note.  Imake is a highly
effective tool for generating errors.
From: melby@dove.yk.Fujitsu.co.jp (John B. Melby)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Drawing in a window border?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:12:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Open Systems Dept. Div. 2 Sect. 1, FUJITSU LTD.

Date: 28 Sep 92 01:24:29 GMT
Message-Id: <MELBY.92Sep28012429@dove.yk.Fujitsu.CO.JP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

>  Is it possible to draw into a window's border?  If so how?

This can be done by creating a pixmap and setting the border pixmap of the
window to it.

-----
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From: shakeel@s3tech.com (Shakeel Mahate)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: imake and psroff
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: S3 Technologies

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:44:19 GMT
Message-Id: <Bv9Du2.1F3@atherton.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi

I have a question regarding one of the variables in imake file

The variable TROFF has been assigned the utility "psroff"
Is psroff public domain software?
Where can I get it?

One more question on imake....

I am trying to use imake to build makefiles for a non X application
software?
Has anyone in the networld tried this before?
Maybe we can share some notes.

How does one build a SimpleProgramTarget with debug option on, or
for that matter any ProgramTarget?

Bye

-- 

Shakeel Mahate
Systems Engineer
S3 Technologies
Columbia MD 21045
410.312.3500.2166
shakeel@s3tech.com


From: shakeel@s3tech.com (Shakeel Mahate)
From: mstorey@csr.UVic.CA (Margaret-Anne D Storey)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Explicit Positioning of Windows
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:08:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

Date: 2 Oct 92 22:57:50 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct2.225750.11037@sol.UVic.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I am currently in the midst of writing a large motif system running
on an IBM RS6000.  This system has many windows.  I would like to be
able to explicity position the windows (shells) myself.  Is there
some way to do this?

Many thanks in advance!
Peggy Storey,
University of Victoria,
British Columbia,
Canada.
(mstorey@csr)
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Per Display Information
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:57:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Date: 29 Sep 92 17:36:03 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.183604.2491@lsl.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi netters,

silly question time, and it was only asked a few weeks ago to. I'd never seen
the problem til about an hour ago, so of course, like a lemon I ignored it.

It only happens on SPARC 2 executables that have been purified.

Application starts up, puts up a collection of widgets that form one interface
(Motif based) and then when it attempts to put up a XmMainWindow containing
a drawing area it says:

Error: couldn't find per display information

and then exits.

This hsa been working for in excess of 2 years and I've never seen this
behaviour til now. We've been using Purify since May (or whenever) and none
of the environment has been changed since earlier today (when it was working).

I know this error comes from fprintf, which is called from deep inside X,
I can't remember where, but _XtDefaultErrorMsg rings a bell. Not sure about
the underscore either.

This has apparently happened to someone else here, and her problem went away
without anyone finding out what caused it. I don't have sources here, otherwise
I'd try to have a look myself :-).

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks in anticipation
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From: wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Making a 2-button mouse look like a 3-button?
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:09:08 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

Date: 3 Oct 92 16:05:43 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct3.120543.16734@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux

Has anyone ever heard of an X program / modification to the X server
that will make a 2-button mouse act like a 3-button, by say sending a
middle mouse button event whenever both buttons are down?  Or having
some way of toggling one of the buttons between pretending it's a
middle and it's regular position?  I've looked at the server code in
mit/server/dix/event.c, and it looks like the place to do it would be
the function ProcessPointerEvent, but since my experience in X
programming is minimal (especially changing the server), I'd like to
know if anything like this is already available, or if not if anyone
has any insights as to how to do it.  Please reply via e-mail and I'll
post a summary.

-- 
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in need of description.

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From: gregm@otc.otca.oz.au (Greg McFarlane)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: why does xscope bomb in "-v4" mode?
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:07:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

Date: 25 Sep 92 01:19:11 GMT
Message-Id: <6458@otc.otca.oz>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x

You may like to try xmon instead.  It is based on xscope, but has a
GUI interface.  It also has some other modifications that may help you
use it with your application.  I have used it successfully with motif
at its equivalent of -v4 mode.

It's available on the X11R5 contrib tape or from archie.  Make sure
you get patchlevel 4.

Greg

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From: popineau@tintin.ese-metz.fr (Fabrice Popineau)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xdm & foreign keyboards
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:24:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Supelec, Etablissement de Metz, France.

Date: 25 Sep 92 13:52:52 GMT
Message-Id: <POPINEAU.92Sep25085253@tintin.ese-metz.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Help !

Is there a way to tell xdm that the keyboard attach  to the display is
not a 'qwerty' one ? When I try to log on with a french keyboard, keys
are not remapped and I don't know how to do this !

Thanks,

F. Popineau
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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Sorting in twm's icon manager
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:02:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA

Date: 24 Sep 92 20:38:37 GMT
Message-Id: <19t90dINN9ma@early-bird.think.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep24.151608.25036@di.unipi.it> campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it writes:
>   I use twm (actually vtwm). I hate having icons all around, so I
>always use the icon manager instead. The solution is perfect for my
>tastes, with only one exception: I would like to customize the order of
>clients within the icon manager, e.g. having all XTerms first, then
>Epochs etc... (v)twm doesn't seem to provide more than
>"SortIconManager", to sort in alpha order. Do patches to twm exist,
>allowing for "custom sorting"?

This sounds like something that's better done using GWM, since it provides
full programmability of the window manager.

I do, however, have a kludge to suggest.  You can specify icon names with
varying numbers of leading spaces depending on the type of application.
For instance, xterms could start with three spaces, epochs with two, etc.
The normal sorting will then put all the xterms first, epochs second, etc.
-- 
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System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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