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From: ericw@asihub.sd.cadence.com (Eric D. Williams)
Subject: Re: Running under Open-Windows
Reply-To: Eric D. Williams <ericw@sd.cadence.com>
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Diego Centre
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:45:27 GMT



In article <Bs28r7.9v@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> johnwu@sun13.vlsi. writes:
>
>I am trying to run Cadence from open-windows, but when I exit
>from Cadence the mouse is reinitialized and the screen colours
>are re-mapped. Has anyone had any luck with this?

   I believe clear_colormap(1) is the command you're looking for.
   It's a bug with OpenWindows.  When you exit openwin, some times
   the colors are set wierd (usually red text on a white screen).
   The clear_colormap command will set your console text back to
   black on white.  Are you having this problem when you exit
   openwin or from the Cadence product you're using, but still
   running openwin?

  _________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     Eric D. Williams                     
     Cadence Design Systems               San Diego Engineering
     ericw@sd.cadence.com                 Services Group
  _________________________________________________________________
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From: weedk@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kirk Weedman)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Translating OrCAD to CONCEPT schematics
Keywords: orcad, concept
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:33:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

If you need to convert your OrCAD schematics to CONCEPT schematics,
a product called ORTRAN from KOALAWARE (503-678-2683) works nicely.
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (DAS ARIINDAM)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: asking for help
Keywords: IL , SKILL
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:43:56 GMT

In the Cadence Edge  manual for SKILL, it is
said under the heading "Quoting to Prevent Evaluation"
that

"......You can experiment with IL, using a text terminal,
by invoking one of the many cadence programs which are built
with IL as the basic interpreter...."

Now my question is : if i want to use IL interpreter
how do i invoke it ? To which directory i have to go
into in Cadence so that i can do that ?

Could somebody help me in the net ?
Thanx in advance.
From: cwp@idtg.UUCP (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: asking for help
Keywords: IL , SKILL
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:50:11 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

In article <1270@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (DAS ARIINDAM) writes:
>"......You can experiment with IL, using a text terminal,
>by invoking one of the many cadence programs which are built
>with IL as the basic interpreter...."
>
>Now my question is : if i want to use IL interpreter
>how do i invoke it ? To which directory i have to go
>into in Cadence so that i can do that ?
>

The simplest method is to go to the directory of your choice and type
the word "access" then hit return. (This is done in any UNIX window.) 
After a few moments you will get a prompt of "<1>". You are now in
dbAccess and can play with IL. You can load programs (must use a path
if the code is not in the current directory) and execute them. You can
type in any Skill expression such as if(1 + 1 == 2 then println("it
works")).  HOWEVER, the code can not contain graphics calls such as
fullP(). Also, you must have a Skill development license for the node
you are on. Though this can be worked around with remote login.

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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.waterloo.edu (Richard Romanczyk)
Subject: Re: Running Cadence under Open-Windows
Keywords: windows, open-windows
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:30:12 GMT

>In article <Bs28r7.9v@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, johnwu@sun13.vlsi. (john Wu,x4511,,746-7505) writes:
> 
> I am trying to run Cadence from open-windows, but when I exit
> from Cadence the mouse is reinitialized and the screen colours 
> are re-mapped. Has anyone had any luck with this?
> 
> Under SunView, the `overview' command would allow proper recovery.
> Is there an analog for X or Open-windows?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> john
>
Maybe you should by a used 'Commodore 64' and try running it from there.
I have had some luck with this before.


Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:38:34 GMT

In article <21JUL199216493536@vax2.concordia.ca>, debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
|> 
|>  Hello Guys and Gals:
|> 
|>  This is a very useful group. CAD and CADENCE have much luv' between them.
|>  I am an Electrical Engineer, and, my area of specialization is in microwave
|>  engineering. I wish to see much info. on designing of VLSI interconnects
|>  and via CADENCE software.

I second that. We are getting Cadence within a couple of months and I am
desperate for a program that can very accuratelly model the distortions of
signals going through microstrip inductors. Does anybody know if the package
they give universities can do this accurately?

Jason W. Solinsky
From: lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: how to add to selected set in Edge
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:42:35 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

if i have the dbobject, how do i add it to the
selected set on screen?

for example,

     insts = selectedSet()
     subAll()

     foreach(i insts
        if( <some criteria> then
            <select i, ie. i is highlighted on screen>
        )
     )

also, what is the difference between add() and addDI().
i can't really find any documentation in my skill book on
these functions which explains their differences.

thanks,
lyndon c.
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: karlr@phineas.inmos.co.uk (Karl Relton)
Subject: Re: edge skill questions
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:44:27 GMT

In article <lyndon.711657463@angelo>, lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim) writes:
|> 
|> i wanted a generic type checking routine which would use the
|> internal type checking ability instead of a large case construct
|> and all the predicate functions.
|> 
|> i thought i could use a function which defines and calls a second
|> function which checks the type of its arguments.  i included the
|> code below.  i am running into 2 problems:
|> 
|>     [1] PsvDoCheck becomes a function defined with 2 arguments,
|>         instead of one argument, with a defined type.
|> 
|>     [2] The window pops up and complains PsvDoCheck is being
|>         redefined.
|> 
|> procedure( PsvCheckType(n type)
|>     procedure( PsvDoCheck('var \"type\") t)
|>     PsvDoCheck(n)
|> )

Try this:

procedure(PsvCheckType(n type)
  apply('procedure list(list('PsvDoCheck 'var type) t))
  PsvDoCheck(n)
)

The point being that \"type\" evaluates to a variable called "type" (including
the quotes). The use of apply() enables you to evaluate the local variable
type to a string, which is then interpreted by the procedure() routine as
a parameter type specification.

As for the pop-up window in Edge, I know of no way to stop it.

Karl Relton
INMOS
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:50:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.013834.2309@athena.mit.edu>, solman@athena.mit.edu 
(Jason W Solinsky) writes...
>.... (stuff deleted) ..... 
>I second that. We are getting Cadence within a couple of months and I am
>desperate for a program that can very accuratelly model the distortions of
>signals going through microstrip inductors. Does anybody know if the package
>they give universities can do this accurately?
> 
>Jason W. Solinsky

 Jason hits the nail on the head. IMHO, Roger F.Harrington and his co-workers
 and students (Syracuse U.) have developed computer packages for such problems.
 Some work is going on at U. of Illinois under Prof.Raj Mittra and his Ph.D
 students - Marc Mehalic and others. I will post the e-mail address of Raj
 Mittra right now. The analysis is so crucial in compaction of VLSI systems
 that such codes must be listed on this group. Analysis of cross-talk between
 two multiconductor lines can also be done - again IMHO. Jason keep it up !!!

 - deb
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim)
Subject: creating new menus in edge
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:05:38 GMT

is it possible to create a pop-up menu in edge
which contains a text field which can vary?

e.g. i want to create a menu which pops up and
     says "Error:  <some text>, choose ok to continue"  

i can't find anything like it in the documentation.

alternatively, can i suppress the stack trace in
the window popped up by error()?

thanks,
lyndon c.

Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: ac959@yfn.ysu.edu (Charlie Todd)
Subject: Digitizing tablet driver for EasyCAD
Reply-To: ac959@yfn.ysu.edu (Charlie Todd)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:24:59 GMT

Status of User: Insane

Does anyone have the digitizing tablet drive for EasyCad?
It's by Microsoft and they didn't include the driver on
the master disk like the manual says it is.  They are not
being of much help either, but what did you expect from 
bill gates?
 
Charlie

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From: munn@cs.dal.ca (Richard B Munn)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: How does one obtain a copy of Cadence?
Keywords: Cadence
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: munn@cs.dal.ca
Organization: Dalhousie University

Were can I obtain a copy of Cadence?

Regards,
Rick Munn.
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: hughm@inmos.co.uk (Hugh McIntyre)
Subject: Re: how to add to selected set in Edge
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:28:15 GMT

In article <lyndon.712435355@angelo>, lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim) writes:
|> if i have the dbobject, how do i add it to the
|> selected set on screen?
|>

selectObject(ld_objectlist)

(Read the SKILL manual, page 3-52)


Hugh McIntyre.
Memory Design, INMOS.
From: johnwu@sun18.vlsi. (john Wu)
Subject: Re: Running under Open-Windows
Reply-To: johnwu@sun18.vlsi.
Organization: Univ. of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:04:08 GMT

Thanks to all who replied.  The easiest sol'n was given by
Hugh McIntyre:

After calling `overview opencds', to suspend operation using the Undo 
key (L4) and upon re-entry, every works fine. 

Thanks,
john
From: mwyllie@at4cad.intel.com (Mary Wyllie)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Skill/C interface
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:20:21 GMT
Followup-To: mwyllie@at4cad.intel.com
Organization: intel
Originator: mwyllie@at4cad

I am doing some application development using RWS (Remote Window Services) in
cadence.  The goal is to have our primary code base in C, using skill to
build user interfaces, and having a C layer to interface from the skill
code.  The only thing I have found to communicate from Skill to C is to send
a message to an application window.

The problem is this:

The message function allows a string to be passed to the application.  I have
found no other way to communicate from skill -> C other than a string.  I have
been working on a mechanism to translate strings to variables and functions,
so that I can call effectively call C functions and set C variables from the
Skill code.  This is not trivial (unless it is made to be VERY limited).

Is it possible that I'm missing some simpler way to communicate to the C code?
Is anyone out there doing something similar?  Does anyone have any elegant
solutions?  I decided that it was at least worth asking before I get any deeper
into this!

Thanks for any and all input!

Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Lossy Xmission lines; Attn: MARK JOHNSON
Keywords: Lossy Xmission lines; EMI/ EMC aspects.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:45:12 GMT


|>  Thanks for your questions. The reason I mentioned such codes, was not that
|>  I have hordes of information on them. The parameters you mentioned are just
|>  the ones that are getting attention in the recent times. I am not at all in
|>  a postion to make authorative comments on your questions. However, your
|>  questions fall into the broad category of EMC analysis of VLSI circuits that
|>  are connected via multiconductor transmission lines as high-speed interconnects
|>  as carriers of both analog (continuous) and logic (digital) waveforms. I had
|>  found numerous articles on IEEE Transactions on Electromagnetic Compatibility
|>  addressing this issue. The papers I looked into indicate a paucity in the
|>  work done for EMC planning in such systems. (The IEEE-T-EMC, May 1992 also
|>  discusses this. BTW, there is a very good review article on the EMI/EMC effects
|>  in such circuits.) IMHO, cross-talk models, signal distortions are the major
|>  effects studied by several researchers for the parameters you have questioned.
|> 
|>  My question: Does Cadence model accurately multiconductor xmission lines to
|>               consider EMI/ EMC effects ?
|> 
|>  IMO, the answer is NO. The proof: I have appended a list of refernces that I
|>  had collected earlier. My interest in this area is really academic - and is
|>  just out of curiosity - to know what's latest in CAD of microwave circuits.

I think SuperCompact has some EXTREMELLY accurate software for modeling this.
Alas, SuperCompact won't give it to us for free :-( . They have been making the
stuff for quite a while though. I recently read a thesis from '84 in which
the software had been used at a TI labratory.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: mlevin@forte.cs.tufts.edu
Subject: anyone has a universe-property simulator?
Organization: Tufts University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 22:51:41 GMT
Apparently-To: comp-simulation@bloom-beacon.mit.edu


    Here's my idea (I want to know if anyone has heard of such a
package). I've seen a software package called "planetary simulator" or
some such thing, the idea being that you enter some initial data about
the basic constants (planet size, distance to start, star type, etc.)
and then the program uses that in physics models to tell you about the
kind of planet you'd have (weather, geology, etc.). 
    Has anyone tried doing the same thing for the large-scale
structure of the universe? That is, have a program which implements
the latest cosmological models, where you give it the basic
fundamental constants of the universe (relative strengths of the
forces, relative sizes of various particles, etc.) and it uses them to
predict what kind of universe you'd then have (i.e., would elements
form, would stars form, would it expand, would it cycle, etc.)? Seems
to me like this would be a great educational tool, as well as
something that could be used to test some of the Anthropic Principle
claims (we may get some unexpected results, if we tweak more than one
fundamental constant!). Any takers, among the physicists who know
enough to do such a thing?

Mike Levin (please reply to mlevin@presto.cs.tufts.edu)



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Newsgroups: comp.simulation
From: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu (Moderator: Paul Fishwick)
Newsgroups: comp.simulation
Subject: SIMULATION DIGEST V28 N8
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu

Volume: 28, Issue: 8, Thu Jul 30 16:17:00 EDT 1992

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| TODAY'S TOPICS |
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[GENERAL INFORMATION]
  New Newsgroup: Applications of Virtual Reality
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[NEW QUESTIONS]
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[SOFTWARE]
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[CALL FOR PAPERS/PARTICIPATION]
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  IC Technology, Systems & Applications
  Advances in Modeling and Methodology
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* Moderator: Paul Fishwick, Univ. of Florida
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,sci.virtual-worlds,comp.human-factors,comp.simulation,comp.graphics.visualization
From: ctopp@sol.UVic.CA (Chris  Topp)
Subject: Computer Modelling
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 17:53:59 GMT
Apparently-To: uunet!comp-simulation@sol.UVic.CA


I am looking for some source code/algorithms for economic computer
modelling.  Specifically, I am interested in C code for the Meadows-
Forrester model or the Extended MIT model.  If anyone out there knows
anything about these or other models or where I might find some 
information please e-mail me at the following address:
			
			ctopp@sirius.uvic.ca

Thanks in advance.



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Newsgroups: comp.simulation
From: ahmad@eta.ee.ufl.edu (Ahmad Ansari)
Subject: MIMD Simulator Needed
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:55:47 GMT

I am looking for a public domain simulator for a MIMD
machine which runs on Spark or PC platforms. I would
greatly appreciate any information on this.

thanks
ahmad ansari



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Subject: [SOFTWARE]


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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.simulation
From: dwight@s1.gov (Dwight Shih)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Building your own PC
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:55:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.1992Jul30.165531.20413
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Jul30.071820.28653@infko.uucp> hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de writes:
>In article <55421@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes:
>
>>Hello, netters.  I`m interested in building my own computer from scratch, but
>>I don`t know where to begin.  So, you may ask, why would I want to even try?
>>[Deleted]
>>My question:  Are there any text files out there (especially obtained by FTP)
>>that explain how to do this?  Could anyone reccomend any good published books
>>for the novice?
>>
>
>This came up in comp.arch a while back and I saved the references 'cos I'd
>really like to build my own too. I just don't have the time - *sigh*.
>
Depending upon what your objectives are, you might want to pick up a
uP evaluation board and hang your ideas off of it.  You can get a
LR33000 eval board from LSI or a R3051 eval board from idt for less
than $1k (both are MIPS R3000 derivatives).  Either of these will provide
a core system with rom, dram, and a 2681 duart.

dwight							dwight@s1.gov
Xref: sparky comp.misc:3050 comp.periphs:1049 comp.ivideodisc:142
From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.periphs,comp.ivideodisc
Subject: Need information about CD-ROM based IC data
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:26:41 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

Pardon me if this is a FAQ somewhere, but I can't seem to find any
newsgroup dedicated to or even mentioning CD-ROM or optical disk based
database information.  Any pointers in the right direction would be
appreciated.

Someone in my company has thousands of data books from many companies
containing Integrated Circuit data specifications.
These books need to be continually replaced with more current
information.

The perfect solution would be an optical disk based subscription service
similar to what many professions now have, such as lawyers and realtors.
They get monthly updates with the current laws and homes for sale
respectively shipped to them on a CD-ROM for a fixed monthly or yearly 
fee.

Does anybody know of a source for that information for IC's?
I'm certain there is a market out there with all the electronic
engineers needing this kind of information.
A central clearing-house providing information on multiple vendors 
would be preferable, but even if each vendor would produce a small PC
CD-ROM based package it would help greatly.

Thank you in advance.

-- 
======== Boyd Johnson    nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, Ca. ========
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: What to do with DECmates?
Keywords: DECmate
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:45:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

andrewm@IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU (Andrew Mears) writes:
>I have two old Digital Equipment DECmate II v1.5.0 word processing systems
>that I wish to either make use of or dispose of. I know very little about
>these machines and was wondering if anybody can fill me in on the most recent
>of this now discontinued software. Can I obtain Unix or another useful OS for
>them? What can I do with them other than turn them into sea anchors?
*----
If you have the paper tape reader, you can probably run Link-8.
It's not very unix-like, or useful, for that matter.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.sys.zenith
From: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Word Vs. WordPerfect--Opinions Wanted
Reply-To: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:40:04 GMT

I will also have to agree that WP51 is the best DOS word processor.
For Windows word processors, I use Word 2.0 and love it!  I can't imagine
anythng being better.  But AMI Pro 3.0 just came out-- it might be worth
checking into, since AMI Pro 2.0 was rated on par with Word 2.0.  It would
make sense that AMI Pro 3.0 would be a GREAT wprd processor.
Another thing is to analyze your needs.  You might not need to get an
expensive wordprocessor.  I lived with Windows Write for several months 
before I got Word, and I liked it.  I don't really use many of the functions
of Word.  I got the same work done with Write, with fewer fancy things 
getting in the way.
P. Volpe
Newsgroups: comp.ibm.pc.misc,comp.misc,misc.misc,uw.network,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: chips@eskimo.celestial.com (:crp:)
Subject: HELP needed with ALLOY
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:40:46 GMT

Sorry about my pathetic previous posting attempt. Hopefully this one 
will work ok. 


I am looking for anyone who uses or has had experience
with ALLOY computer products, either the network or 
multiuser programs. Please respond by e-mail. 
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