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From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Rockhounds mailing list?
Followup-To: rec.collecting
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 23:57:45 GMT

[Please note that followups are directed to rec.collecting]

Is there any interest in forming a rockhounds (rock collectors)
mailing list?  I'd be interested in sharing ideas, tips, thoughts on
tools, locations, etc., with other rockhounds.

						-- Rich
-- 
		      Don't blame me; I voted Libertarian
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
From: avv@primo.Eng.Sun.COM (Vince Vasquez)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Want recommendations for 1-man tents, bivvy sacs
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:32:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: primo

I'm looking for recommendations for 1-man tents and bivvy sacs.
I'm not too familiar with bivvy sacs, so would appreciate knowing
some of the pros and cons versus tents (other than presumably weight)

I'm not looking for tarps or shelters, but something that would
hold up reasonably well in rain. (Ideally, I'd like to find a 
4-season solution.)

Thanks,

Antonio
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From: scott@petros.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Stevens)
Subject: Source of Eureka tents
Reply-To: scott@petros.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:58:04 GMT

I am looking for a economical source for tents. I would like to 
continue with my current style and model of tent which is 

  Eureka model # TL-4 (Timberline 4 man tent). 

Our current tents have been in use for over 5 years and are still in 
good shape. I am considering preventive maintenance by gradually 
replacing my existing equipment. Any mail order or other supply 
information would be appreciated.

-- 

Regards,

D. Scott Stevens

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From: aha8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew Hastings Arno)
Subject: Re: Is Gore-Tex overrated ?
Summary: Gore-Tex boots worthwhile
Keywords: gore-tex
Reply-To: aha8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew Hastings Arno)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:23:16 GMT

Last summer I bought a pair of leather Vasque hiking boots that are treated with Gore-Tex. Since the summer I have worn them for a total of about three weeks in wet, muddy weather, and they have given me no trouble whatsoever. My feet have always stayed dry from the rain and water outside as well as the sweat inside. While the boots were a bit pricey(~$150), keeping dry while backpacking is essential, especially in cold weather. If you get wet, you face the serious possibility of getting hypothermia. 

I have never used any clothing that was treated with Gore-Tex, but from what I've read in this newsgroup, it tends to be rather ineffective. I guess the best thing to do when backpacking is to always keep a pair of clothes dry in a garbage bag (or something equivalent) and have a pair of boots treated with Gore-Tex since carrying more than one pair can be very bulky and heavy. 



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From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Death Valley
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:13:43 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

zrwv05@hou.amoco.com (Rod VanKoughnet) writes:
>|> 
>|> I'm thinking of going to Death Valley over the New Year's Day weekend.
>|>              1.  Is this a good time of the year to go there?
>|>              2.  What temperature range should I expect?
>|>              3.  Any hiking/camping suggestions?


Kevin Cheu gave lots of good places.  I'll add my personal favorites:

Check out Telescope Peak, the road is a little rough but most vehicles
can make it up the road.  There is a trail up to the top of the peak
from which can see all of Death Valley from.  I should add that we
took our mtn. bikes up the trail (now illegal).  It is great ride.  If
your lucky you might get to see a "top secret" fighter plane cruise 
by.  Along the way are Charcol ovens and parts of an old aquaduct used
for mining.

Go out to the town of Skidoo, it is a old mine site with many of the mine
tunnels still around.  We explored several of the mines - do so at
your own risk as the tunnels are not safe.

The Death Valley Ranch (aka Scotty's Castle) is worth stopping at for
learning some funny history of Death Valley.

There is an interpreted trail that goes out and around the old Boax
Mine.  They guide you get is very good and you can learn lots about
the wildlife and other critters in the area.

I should mention most of these places are all listed on the NPS map
you can get from the visitor's center.

Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah
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From: sysnet@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Lunches and Snacks: what do you bring?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:10:18 GMT

In article <DERAADT.92Nov4211605@newt.newt.cuc.ab.ca>, deraadt@newt.cuc.ab.ca (Theo de Raadt) writes:
> Ick, not my taste. I take a honeydew mellon. Buy one that is pretty
> stiff, then hang it in a bag on the side of the pack. By the time you
> get to your destination, boy will it be nice and soft!

You mean bruised, from bouncing around on your back?  :-)
-- 
David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: deraadt@newt.cuc.ab.ca (Theo de Raadt)
Subject: Re: Is Gore-Tex overrated ?
Organization: little lizard city
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:06:46 GMT

In article <13773@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
   I think lots of people survived the ice age on mile-high glaciers without the
   stuff.  On the other hand, many people love it.  You really want an argument,

They were smart -- they stayed sheltered as much as they could, rather than
venture to the tops of mountains. To sweat is to die. "For me" gortex makes
this a bit less of a worry.
 <tdr.
--

This space not left unintentionally unblank.		deraadt@newt.cuc.ab.ca
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From: jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant)
Subject: rainbow?
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Distribution: california
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:59:36 GMT

Can someone please tell me who or what is a 'rainbow group'.  E-mail would
be fine.
-- 
John A. Grant						jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
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From: mgc@unislc.uucp (Marc Christensen)
Subject: Re: BC in Movies (diverging)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:50:36 GMT

Thomas Griffin (griffin@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: Regarding the footage of the street execution of a Vietcong soldier,
: I just want to confirm what Eugene said. The film DOES exist. I know
: because I saw it on the NBC Nightly News during the Tet offensive in
: 1968. It was the most horrifying scene I have ever seen on television.
: After the execution, the camera holds on the dead Vietcong's head as
: blood pours out of the bullet hole the way water pours out of a
: garden hose. For me it was a defining moment of my youth. I became
: anti-war from that day forward.
: 
I saw the same footage within the last week on PBS?.
I had seen the Still and didn't know there was any footage of it.
It may not be THE SAME incudent but it looked like it to me.
I think I am fairly thick skinned but seeing this had a real impact on
me just a few days ago.    

Marc Christensen
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: longlegs.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Joel Dunn)
Subject: Re: Upper Michigan/Wisconsin backwood Cabin rental??
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:25:40 GMT

One organization that rented cabins was the Potomac Appalachian Trail Club,
but it has been about 15 years since I last rented a cabin.  I stayed in 
one in the Shenandoah Park (Corbin Cabin in Nicholson Hollow) for a few
days at Christmas back in the late 70's.  It was really nice.

-Joel Dunn

>|> 	In Virginia there was an organization (Applachian Mountain
>|> cabin assoc, Blue ridge chapter - or something like that) that owned
>|> some cabins in the mountains (many on state park land).  They would
>|> rent them out to members.  Membership was cheap and so was the cabin
>|> rental.  Anyone know of anything similar around these parts?
>
>Actually, I'd be interested in knowing more about the organization that
>rents
>cabins in Virginia.  If anyone has any information, I'd appreciate a
>reply.

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From: susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein)
Subject: Re: wilderness medicine...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.041021.15705@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
>To clear up any confusion:  Here goes.
>In prehospital medicine, the levels are:
>1. First Aid
>2. First Responder
>3. Winter Emergency Care (WEC)
>4. Emergency Medical Technician-Basic
>5. Emergency Medical Technician-Defib.
>6. Emergency Medical Technician-Intermediate
>7. Emergency Medical Technician-Paramedic
>

The first aid level you mention above as (1) is basic first aid, which
is around a 16 hour class. There's another level of certification,
advanced first aid, which fits in between first responder and WEC.
Advanced first aid is around a 60 hour class, and covers at least 90% of
what EMT-basic covers (but not in as much detail).

Steve
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: wilderness medicine...
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:10:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

To clear up any confusion:  Here goes.
In prehospital medicine, the levels are:
1. First Aid
2. First Responder
3. Winter Emergency Care (WEC)
4. Emergency Medical Technician-Basic
5. Emergency Medical Technician-Defib.
6. Emergency Medical Technician-Intermediate
7. Emergency Medical Technician-Paramedic

All except 3 can be modified with a "wilderness" module.  A normal
EMT-B course is 10 hours more than a WEC course, but the Wilderness
EMT-B course I took was 160 hours (vs. 120 hr. normal EMT course).  The
2 day program I was talking
about was the Wilderness First Aid course.  If you EMT's wish to get
the Wilderness Module for your
EMT, call SOLO at 603-447-6711. Call SOLO if you have any questions
about wilderness medicine.

The reason I think EMT's are better knowledgeable than WEC technicians
is because EMT's have broader information.  I took 50 hours more than a
WEC Tech and I also did 20 hours of ER observations.  WEC also needs a
rehaul
sometime soon.  There are a few procedures they reccomend that are
detrimental: eg. WEC calls for an "eight" sling across the back made
with cravats in the event of a broken clavicle/shoulder.  BUT this
should be AVIODED.  This procedure cuts off the brachial artery from
bringing blood to the rest of the arm and I have heard of a case where
a patient lost his arm.

WEC technicians are very well trained for what they do, but EMT's have
more info to deal with a wider range of problems.  If you live on the
side of a year-round, lift serviced, mountain, then maybe WEC is all
you need.  I know that EMT's know more and Wilderness EMT's know even
more.

Questions taken at 

gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu
Wilderness EMT-B; NREMT #A457604
WEC Technician #W916 69866
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Ysidro)
Subject: Lowe/North Face/Patagonia, etc...
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:55:24 GMT

I have been running the same gear for the about the past 7 years
and I think its about time to upgrade to better equipment.
Of course I am looking at the 'pricey' stuff.  I am mostly
looking for a new tent and a all good winter jacket.   I like
North Face tents alot but I would like to get some info from
anyone who has used them extensively...  I usually camp in the
Summer/early fall, but I have been known to do an occasional
snowshoe.  

Also looking into a new backpack.. Mountain Smith/Dana Designs
or Lowe... again any one who has used some of this equipment
please let me know what you think of it

						Thanks,
						Dave
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: GoreTex and bears
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:19:39 GMT

Dan Yurman <dyurman@igc.apc.org> writes:


>In other words, anyone who stands around waiting wearing gore tex
>in hoping of warding off bear attacks is all wet!

Oh my, this discussion is getting unbearable!

But, bear with me, why don't we create a fund to dress all bears with
Gore-Tex! The problem would then be solved for once and for all.

beary yours, Javier.
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From: natemlcc@cc.utah.edu (Nate, the MLCC Whookie)
Subject: Test - please ignore
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  6 Nov 1992 14:16 MST  

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Hurricane Creek Wilderness, Ozark Highlands Trail, Ark?
Originator: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu
Keywords: ozark camping information
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:17:56 GMT

My brother and I are planning to spend a few days next week tromping
around the Hurricane Creek Wilderness on the Ozark Highlands Trail
in northern Arkansas. This will be our first backpacking trip in 
the Ozarks. If anyone can provide some pointers on the area, please
let me know by email.

Thanks,
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * The one who dies with the most toys
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * has accomplished nothing beyond
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * enslaving himself to his possessions.
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From: karld@engin.umich.edu (Karl Diederich )
Subject: Re: Light & Warm Synthetic Bag: PARADOX?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:41:08 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
>Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
>>How about bivy bags?

>There was recently a discussion on this.  I like the REI Cyclops bag.

I found the REI Cyclops bivy very heavy.
I would suggest the Feathered Friends bivy,
or the Bibler bivy (if you're not too tall).

Karl.  PCT 91.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: New Zealand Macpac Tents
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:07:07 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov9.134025.4131@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> afd@bellcore.com writes:
>Better yet - could someone post a summary of the product line?

Ok, I just called Macpac in Christchurch.  They will do mail order to the US
directly from their Chch head office.  Sales are going to fax me a US$ price sheet
in a day or two and I'll email it to anyone interested (or post if sufficient replies).
Alternatively you can write to them for a price sheet and order form:

    Macpac Wilderness Equipment Ltd
    PO Box 8399
    Christchurch 4
    New Zealand

or fax: +64 3 3488647


FYI, here're the vitals on their tent range...
I could e-mail or post their pack or sleeping bag range if anyone wants it.

[Disclaimer: just a happy customer]

4-season
    Olympus
	2-3 person (2.7 m^2 floor area)
	3-hoop tunnel
	3.8 kg
	Vestibules and entry at both ends
    Minaret
	2 person (2.2 m^2)
	2-hoop tunnel
	2.7 kg
	Single vestibule and entry
    Olympus and Minaret both available in Expedition versions
	Bright yellow, pole sleeves accept two sets of poles,
	extra reinforced storm guys, snow flaps.
	Add 0.2 kg

3-season
    Spectrum
	4 person (4.4 m^2)
	3-hoop dome
	Twin vestibules
	4.7 kg
    Exodus
	3 person (3.3 m^2)
	2-hoop offset tunnel
	Twin vestibules
	3.5 kg
    Eclipse
	2 person (2.4 m^2)
	1-hoop A-frame
	Single vestibule
	2.6 kg
    Eclipse Tropical
	Same as eclipse, but all-mesh inner tent
	2.3 kg
    Microlight
	1-2 person (2.0 m^2) [``snug'' for 2]
	1-hoop
	Single vestibule
	1.9 kg

All their tents use their "Multi pitch" system, ie you can erect the inner only,
the outer only, the inner then the outer or both together.


-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
From: dovey@renoir.llnl.gov (Donald Dovey)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abbey bashing.  Was: Trip rpt: SE Utah 4wd vacation, part 3/4
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:33:13 GMT
Reply-To: dovey@renoir.llnl.gov (Donald Dovey)
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1992Nov10.211505.3490@guinness.idbsu.edu>,
jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn) writes:
| In article <1992Nov10.185820.25091@news.uiowa.edu>,
|  donath@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) writes: 
| |Could someone please explain to me why Abbey is revered for Desert
Solitaire?
| |As far as I can remember, he does the following things in the book:
|   [ ... ]
| 
| But the thing is, in this fiercely politically correct era, if I
| ever encountered someone who was entirely 'correct' I'm sure I'd
| either find them offensive or boring.

I think those ironies are part of Abbey's popularity.  This post
reminded me of a line in "A River Runs Through It" where the narrator's
father (a minister) remarks that his congregation is always quick to let
him know when one of his children does something wrong.  Who wants to be
preached to by someone who's perfect?

Abbey fans might enjoy a short story I read last week, called "Days of
Heaven" by Rick Bass.  It appears in "The Best American Short Stories
1992" and was printed in Ploughshares magazine sometime in 1991.  This
story allegorically raises an essential dilemma of the modern wilderness
lover:  How do I help protect a wilderness without simultaneously
reducing my access to it?

--
Don Dovey                                               dovey@llnl.gov
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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Lunches and Snacks: what do you bring?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:43:46 GMT

In article <BxMMyo.99J@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>In article <10729@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite) writes:
>
>I've found that chocolate-chip cookie dough really hits the spot, and has
>a high calorie/weight ratio.  No utensils required, just open the tub and
>insert finger.  Only in cool weather though, and I use an egg substitute
>on account of salmonella concerns.

I bring a tube of it (the commercial stuff) on long-hard caving trips.
1 20 oz tube has over 3000 Calories (kilocalories), making it one of
the highest weight to energy ratio foods that I can eat any quantity
of.  Just think, lard, flour, sugar, chocolate,  what more could one
ask for?

-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Chief of Tranquility  #My Opinions! NotIU's!#Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants.   #Space For Rent
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: graham@cs.montana.edu (Jonathan Graham)
Subject: Video in the Backcountry
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:23:58 GMT


	I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with filming
(video) in the backcountry?  My main problem has to do with batteries.
The weight/life ratio isn't really conducive to multi-day treks.  
Has anyone used or heard of any super-long-extended life batteries. Or
know of a way to recharge the batteries in the wilderness.  

				
					-Jon

Jonathan Graham 				     Computer Science
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"I am so hip I can't see over my pelvis"          -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Camping in Hawaii
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:10:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10750
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <23970@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker) writes:

>You had me completely baffled until the last sentence.  In L.A., feral
>pigs and police are identical, but the latter do not avoid civilization.
>You are apparently referring to the critters with the curly tails.

Of course some of regard living in L.A. as one of the best ways
available to avoid civilization.  :-)
From: cheu@triton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Death Valley
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:05:12 GMT
Reply-To: cheu@triton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Nov9.132645.13925@hou.amoco.com>, zrwv05@hou.amoco.com (Rod VanKoughnet) writes:
|> 
|> I'm thinking of going to Death Valley over the New Year's Day weekend.
|>              1.  Is this a good time of the year to go there?
|>              2.  What temperature range should I expect?
|>              3.  Any hiking/camping suggestions?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Rod

I was there on Thanksgiving 2 years ago.  The weather is fine -
between 30-40 at night and 80's in the day.  If you can get a
samp site near the visitor center it will be good.  The Sunset
campground is basically a RV park - too open - you should try
to avoid that.

About place to go:

Sunrise at Zabriski Point is beautiful.
Early in the morning is good to go to the Sand Dunes.  The spot
marked out at the park map is misleading. I mean you can't see 
good dunes.  Instead, drive 5-10 miles to the east along the highway
to Moziac canyon from the visitor ctr, park you car along the road
side and hike in about a mile.  Mozaic canyon is a good short
kine in mid day.  The Ubenode crater is quite goo, but you have
to be there in the early morning, or else it get too hot when the 
sun is up.  Badwater and devi'sl golf course is interesting.  If
you have a 4wd, you might want to go to the race track, which I
missed.

In short, majority of the activities is best to
be done in the early morning.  The desert gets too hot in the
afternoon.
From: kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca (Keiji Kanazawa)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Fleece Jackets
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:11:44 GMT
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
	<1992Nov10.231124.21498@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: miller.cs.ubc.ca
In-reply-to: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 23:11:24 GMT


Has anyone tried the new polarplus 1000 or 2000?  I've been wanting to
buy a new fleece jacket, but I'm willing to wait a bit to see how well
these so-called windproof versions work.

--

Keiji Kanazawa
kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca
From: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Lunches and Snacks: what do you bring?
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:12:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7546
Reply-To: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I am sold on the durability of bagels.

On a September bike trip, an open seat pack let my cracker box fall out and
it was immediately run over by a pickup. Had it been a bagel, the only cost
would have been his front end alignment.

And, I could have still had the bagel...
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