HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:43:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.170132.17607@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>In <1992Sep29.163512.21625@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>
>>>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>>>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>>>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>>>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	
>
>>Yes, it conflicts with those theories, but seeing as time travel
>>has never been *demonstrated* (except once when i was 12 :-),
>>I don't think there's any final word on what's "correct".
>
>True, but it violates what I would simply have to call, conservation of
>matter.  Which equates to conservation of energy and is one of the most
>fundamental principles in physics.
>
>By having two heads, you effectively get something for nothing.

Aw, come on. This is science fiction. There are an infinity of
explanations! Maybe there's some weird portal on Rigel 8 where
a bunch of stuff poops out whenever there's time travel, so
conservation of <you name it> is satisfied.

Make up one of your own!

And if there is a problem, it goes deeper than Data and his
own head coexisting in time. Assuming conservation is necessary,
then *no* time travel is possible unless there's a net change
of zero in matter/energy/pepperoni.

I'm curious- do y'all catch these inconsistencies as they're
happening or do you have some big room with charts and stuff
in it? :-) I notice the occasional glitch but it rarely detracts
from my enjoyment of the show. I like the personalities, the
interactions, and also the "neat ideas," but hey, a little
nonsense doesn't bug me, besides, you can always come up with
*some* explanation, I think I've coined the phrase "star trek
apologist" :-)

And how come some people have already seen Realm of Fear?
Was it on last week in some places, or did you travel to
the future? (It's on tonight here in the Bay Area.)

Bill

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Names of episodes
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 23:36:22 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <16876D895.ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU>  ACDSPW@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Sally Webster) writes:
>Where do you people find the names of the ST:TNG episodes?  I watch
>carefully every week and almost never see an episode name.

   After the first commercial break (the one right after the opening  
credits), the name will appear in the upper-lefthand corner of the    
screen.  If I remember correctly, the name used to be centered on the 
screen (in the first season or so).                                   


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
From: jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Janviere S Thuman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: LISTS
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:03:04 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I get a real kick out of the lists you guys come up with from time to
time (for example, 10 ways to get rid of Wesley). If anyone has any new
ones (or old ones), could you please post them.

Thank you!
Shellie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: RE: Three Questions
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:41:29 EST

In article <LX4TRB6w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
 
>> In a previous article, kratnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kapila Ratnam)
>> >1.  Who is Christina Peralta ?
>> >2.  In which episode(s) of ST:TNG did she appear ?
>> >3.  Why is she in the October 1992 issue of Playboy ?
 
>Actually, if memory serves me, she was the Deltan in ST: The Motion
>Picture.  Probably wrong though.
 
You are correct (about being wrong).  Christina Peralta was not the
Deltan in ST:TMP (unless a name change has occurred).  The name
Persis Khambatta (sp?) strikes a chord.  Regardless of her name, she
was Miss India before doing ST:TMP.
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oracular Revalation of Season Premiere *spoilers*
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:18:26 EDT
Reply-To: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com writes:

> In article <19nkkrINN92b@citation.ksu.ksu.edu>, tilden@citation.ksu.ksu.edu (
> > 
> > What I don't 
> > understand is how is was possible for the head to remain in the cavern for 
> > without being discovered by others.  Knowing how people are, wouldn't someo
> > found the head on a geological survey earlier than the 24th century group?
> > Something to think about.
> > 
> > Jeff Bohning 
> 
> And wouldn't the highly-trained medical professionals who carted off Guinan
> fron the cave have noticed a decapitated head lying 5 feet from the accident
> scene?  Guess not--they're just simple savages compared to the geniuses of ou
> heroic crew.
> 
> -- 
> Brian Schar   |  schar@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
> McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company, Huntington Beach, CA
> Disclaimer:  Any opinions here are mine, not my employer's.  Any facts are in
> the public domain.
> ____________________________
> Andre Marrou & Nancy Lord: Vote Libertarian for President & VP in 1992! 
> 
> Getting the Power Back to You: Richard Boddie & June Genis--U.S. Senate--CA

I think they were more concerned with helping Guinan than doing search of 
the cavern. "Hey Bob, take a poke around and see if ya can find the 
decapitated head of an android before we take care of this woman. We 
don't want to leave until we have completely searched this place."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: The Usenet Lynch (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:26:41 GMT

In article <BvpAA5.9tB.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163754.1363@ncsu.edu> rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>>
>>Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?
>
>We made him up.  Various folk on the net contribute to the "Timothy Lynch"
>persona (surely you didn't think that one person *alone* could generate all
>those posts and synopses?  And the idea of having a cat named Pandora?
>C'mon...).

	Yep.  He's sort of like the Usenet Oracle, except for the r.a.s.*
groups...

>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) x 1000...

(-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

||======================================================================||
||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Senior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
||   AKA: Agrajag    ||    CS major     ||                              ||
||======================================================================||
"Life is like a grapefruit." - So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: 901003l@ace.acadiau.ca (MISMA LEBLANC)
Subject: Time Error
Keywords: FAN
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:48:09 GMT

Did any of you notice the celing fan in the ancient anerican hospital ward.  
It was ELECTRIC when electric lighting was almost non-existant.  Plus it 
even looked like one from the 1980's.

Misha LeBlanc
901003l@ace.acadiau.ca
From: westergrenbr@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Top Ten List
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:32:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: bvc.1992Sep29.133229.2128
Distribution: usa
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Sep22.055240.1309@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jzarin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jason Zarin) writes:
> 
> Here is my first crack at a Trek Top Ten List.  Here goes....
> 
>         Top Ten Plot Lines You Never Saw In Time's Arrow II
>         ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

Great list Jason!  How about this one?

Riker can't control himself, becomes his own ancestor.


bmwestergren

keeper of the sacred flame           teller of the sacred words
hearer of the sacred coils           killer of the sacred evils
leader of the sacred chant           knower of the sacred truth


> 
> Jason
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason Zarin         zarin@nicco.sccnet.ucla.edu
> To an economist, real life is just a special case.
> Go Bruins!!!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Subject: Re: (SPOILER) Possible watch paradox in TA2
Keywords: does anybody really read these keywords?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:45:52 GMT

In article <willdye.717564578@helios> willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye) writes:
>
>Spoiler alert:  Don't read this until you've seen the new Star Trek 
>episode "Time's Arrow, Part 2".
>
>Maybe I missed something, but did the following happen?
>
>1.  In the 24th century, they find a watch dated at 500 years old in a mine.
>2.  Clements travels from 19th century to 24th, and retrieves his watch.
>3.  Clements travels back to 19th century, and places the watch in the mine.

Did Clements actually KEEP the older watch he looked at in the 24th
century?

I was thinking that he just looked at it. After all, he had one in his
pocket already. 8-) Then before he left the cave he realized that he should
leave his watch there to keep history going as it did before.

Flip


-- 
    __@  __@        Phillip "Flip" Russell  | Purdue University
  _-\<, -\<,_       flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu | West Lafayette, IN
 (_)/---|/-(_)      "We don't have enough power captain!!!"
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cpt. Ross Perot (was Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:26:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:

>> I would like to nominate the ticket of PICARD/RIKER in 92.

>Which leads us naturally to: Cpt. Ross Perot, Starfleet Command!

>Warf: "Captain Perot, the Borg are attacking!."

>Perot: "No problem; make them an offer on their ship.  I'll go
>25 million credits, but not a credit higher."

Ironically, there was a political cartoon that appeared in the Monday,
September 28 issue of the Chicago Tribune...

It depicted "Jean-Luc Perot" in the command chair of the Enterprise, with
REALLY big ears and a TNG uniform, saying "Captain's Log, Stardate 1992:
We are receiving distress calls from the distant nebulous nebula.  The crew
is acting most suspicious.  Up shields, Mr. Data.  Set co-ordinates for
`Larry King Live.'  Prepare to beam aboard......."

The cartoon was done by Jim Borgman of the Cincinnati Enquirer.
(I am Locutius of Borgman.  Life as you know it will cease.  You will
service us.  Cartooning is futile.  Politics is irrelevant.)

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jason A. Lindquist		      University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaignlinky@uiuc.edu          "...and in searching for the cause of our social ills,
			 we could choose to blame the media, or the congress,                            or an administration that's been in power for twelve      			 years.  Or, we could blame me."
								--Murphy Brown
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: keiner@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Louis Keiner)
Subject: Re: Troi on TA II (**SPOILERS**)
Reply-To: keiner@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:25:30 GMT

In article 166045@watson.ibm.com, rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>   Sorry if this has already been brought up...
>
>   Did anyone catch Troi's dark sun tan on TA II?  Brent Spiner noted at
>a Con that I went to this summer that she was in the Bahamas for 2-3 weeks
>right before the filming of TA II.  It's pretty funny...if you watch TA I
>and TA II back-to-back, you can *really* notice it.  Must have been the
>Triolic (sp?) waves :-)
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Ryan Rogers

Yup.....in some earlier episodes she looked almost as white as Data. This is
a big improvement.......Anyone for a sunlamp in the studio? |)

Lou



Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Originator: rubio@hpwisf1.han.paramax.com
Organization: ^
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:39:40 GMT

In article <15791@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>In article <m-overmier1.19.717712942@uiuc.edu> m-overmier1@uiuc.edu (Mark Overmier) writes:
>>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	
>
>Ah, the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.  :-)  (The all-purpose explanation
>for limits on time travel in Doctor Who.)  Actually, the idea of Time Ramming,
>which states that no two objects can occupy the same space and time, is
>generally thought only to happen when the objects are in EXACTLY the same
>place at the same instant.  Data's other head was in his hand, so it wasn't
>sharing the same space as his attached head, which was sitting on his
>shoulders.
>
Another slant on this is that the head in Data's hands is existing in
a completely different worldline, a different time line, by virtue of
the fact that it had lain on the floor of a cave for 500 years. The
head on Data's shoulders had existed only a much shorter few decades
and had not yet experienced that 500 year shift. So, the two worldlines
could not coexist. They remain completely separate and distinct.

Peace and long life,

Stuart
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.161417.13239@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M  
Hagger) writes:

> I'm not sure about this argument, bearing in mind that Data is
> supposed to have a self-learning "brain" surely he could, in a sense,
> learn where he could/should use contractions?  Granted it may be a
> complicated rule, but hell, he's supposed to be a complicated android!

My argument was that there was no rule about contractions, but it is a 
matter of emotions.  That is why Data, being a sophisticated adroid, could
not learn how to use contractions because there's not even a complicated
rule to it.  It's a matter of verbal feeling when and when not to use
contractions.
I futher back my argument with Spock, Lor, and Data's daughter.  Spock had
not emotions, and to my recolection, he never used contractions.  Just as
Data's daughter was starting to comprehend emotions, she started to use
contractions.  Lor, who was built with emotions, was able to use contractions.
Thus, my argument is not that the contraction rule is difficult to master,
it is that it can not be mastered unless you have some sort of emotional
understanding of the English language.
Also, Data, in the episode with his daughter, did not say that he was not
programmed not to use contractions to make him less like Lor, but that his
programming did not understand contractions.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:41:18 GMT

In article <1a5ntmINNlqs@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington) writes:
>The cable company here in Manhattan hasn't even heard of the Sci-Fi Channel!  
>As far as I know, they have no plans to find out either.
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jason Worthington             |The Commodore 64 lives!
>worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu        |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The cable company here didn't know about it at first, and then said that
they couldn't carry it due to too little bandwidth.  Students here then 
signed a petition for it ( even though most get cable free ).  Those that 
didn't get cable free, i.e. off campus students, said that they wouldn't 
sign on to cable if the Sci-Fi wasn't carried, BUT WOULD sign on if it 
were carried.  That changed their mind quickly.   Now it will be carried 
starting in January.  All you have to do is hit them where it hurts, 
their pocketbook. 

       ___   ____                                                      
       /__)   /          ^  __| ^ |\ /|  ______________________________
      / .  \_/ .        /-\(__|/-\| V | (__   paul@erc.msstate.edu     
    _______________________________________)                           
      Engineering Research Center For Computational Field Simulation
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST3GEN part 7 needed
From: trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 00:35:49 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Howdy everyone.  I didn't get part 7 of the Star Trek: The Third          
Generation messages.  If someone would be so kind as to post it for me,   
I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks in advance...
                                                 -- Trekkie

------------------------------------------------------------------
     "AT&T Subspace...the next best thing to beaming there."
INTERNET:  trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall)
UUCP:   ...!nosc!ryptyde!netlink!trekkie
NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:33:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <96920@bu.edu> dern@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Dern) writes:
>This is my first week reading this newsgroup, though I am an educated and

FNG.  Welcome to the net!

>Enough already! I agree with all of these points, and I am enthusiastic
>about discussing technicalities in the show. . . but I wish people would
>take their ego trips elsewhere unless they have something valuable
>to contribute.

Is this your first time reading this newsgroup, or any newsgroup?  If you've
read any other newsgroup before, you should know that this is what they're
like.  If you haven't, well, you'll see...

-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | Sign in a restaurant:
Georgia Institute of Technology  | 
Office of Information Technology |   "We reserve the right to serve refuse to
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |        anyone."
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TAII
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.171700.15987
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep29.154939.15196@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.193530.2216@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.uucp (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>>I always enjoy TNG even when it stinks.  Don't analyze the previuos, just
>>accept it. :)

	Ah.  It doesn't have to be good--it's Star Trek.


>>Secondly, why can't these aliens defend themselves?  They are smart enough
>>to time travel but sit on this planet totally defensive against the people
>>who's history they are robbing.
>	Who says they can't? They seemd pretty good at killing
>people with their medical bag laser beam. And one of those guys gave 
>Riker a good swing.
>	This is a license taken by the writers when they said
>"gee, we only have an hour to finish this story. Let's assume the
>viewers have some form of intelligence, so we won't have to explain
>away every detail, such as why don't the aliens have photon
>torpedoes at their outpost."
>	You're really nitpicking here.

	Ergh.  

	This isn't a nitpick; it's a fundamental flaw in the whole episode.
Fer gosh sakes, if you're gonna have mean, nasty aliens who deserve to
be defeated, they better be WORTH defeating. In other words, your heroes
should WORK to fight a foe who poses a true threat to them.

	This "conflcit" had all the earmarks of a game between the
San Francisco 49ers and the Roosevelt High football team.


>	You also center too much on plot.

	BWAH-HAH-HAH!


 TNG is more than plot.

	But in this case, not much more. Which isn't saying much.

>What about the 19th-centure costumes, which looked great?
>What about the development of the friendship (or is it morer?() between
>Guinan and Picard? What about the seamlessness of the special effects?
>The art direction? The creative storylines? The little touches
>of dialogue among the actors (like Geordi holding the play
>upside down, Picard worrying about paying the bill at the hotel,
>Riker punching out the cop?)

	This is all dressing. Unfortunately, there was no meat there.


-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: SPOILER review, Man of the People (#229)
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:21:08 GMT

SPOILERS AHEAD

----

SPOILERS AHEAD

----



I have very little to say about this episode except that it sucked.  I wish  
they would stop doing such formula episodes!  And the plot holes in this one  
were glaring!  I felt like I had seen this episode a few times before because  
it was so similar to those other Troi gets possessed episodes like "The Loss"  
or "The Child".  Aside from true disasters like "Cost of Living", the episodes  
that focus on Troi always seem to be the worst.  This is not a remark on  
Marina, just that her character is far from capable of carrying a whole show.

When she died, I was hoping they wouldn't be able to get her back.  Too bad.

Why did the first woman let herself be called "Mother"?  Since when does the  
Enterprise need to do an autopsy?  Even in the old series, they were able to  
determine these things without any damage.  I thought autopsies were literally  
barbaric in TNG.

On the bright side, the previews for Relics looks like the most promising  
episode in a very long time.

-- Frank
__________________________________________________________________________
Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
                          | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current