From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:24:43 GMT

ROLAND U (sa2263263@v9000) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan26.083149.27461@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes... 
: >It would mean that the kings will not even be entittled to what an ordinary
: >citizen can get.
: Please elaborate. I think what the government has done was to open the
: "royal" wards which can only be used by royalty to the public. 
: I think the royalty are still entitled to use the wards. Its just that 
    ^^^^^
You think is definitely your invention. It is not the way I heard it.

: the wards will be used if the royalty are not using it.
So you thought there are special wards reserved for them all the time.
It must be coming out of your imagination.

Do you know that there are equipments in Miri that is reserved only for
Shell staff? I believe the same is true in Trengganu.
: 	The properties of the kings are the property of the state governments.
: >By letting the property rot, will be a great disservice to the state.
: Not true. The properties of the royalty can only be used by the royalty and is
: considered by them to be theirs. By not allocating money, the onus to upkeep

A lot of senior government servants are allocated cars and they consider these
to be their property. I'm sure Dr. Mahathir is allocated one.
	Why shouldn't the Kings be allocated similar privileges, the same as the
other non-king head of states?

: their properti will be on the royalty. This will encourage them to have fewer
I wonder how Dr. Mahathir will feel if he were required to maintain his
allocated cars. How about all the other government officers? Even the 
company officers?

: palaces, cars, etc etc
: > 
: >How about the governers, the yang di pertuan negaras of Sabah, Sarawak, are
: >they also not entittled for the privileges?
: >	Why should the kings be the only ones targeted? Shouldn't the other
: >heads of states also affected?
: > 
: This "targeting" only started because the royalty have gone too far in their
                                            ^^^^^^^
So you want all chinese to be deported just because of the actions of a few
chinese gangsters.

: abuses. Although, some may doubt the authencity of this allegations, like
: the folks say " Ain't no smoke without fire ". If the governers or other

Same thing with other allegations. Just because some government officers are
corrupt, do not mean that all of them must be punished.
Rule of law:
	Innocent until proven guilty,
	Guilt cannot be inherited.

Obviously you've broken both laws but then you're not alone.

: high figure were to misuse ther authority, they will most definately be targetted
: and in their case, sacked.
                     ^^^^^^
To sacked is fair, but to remove the POST entirely? Just because there are
corrupt custom officers, should we abolish/reduce the number of custom 
officers?

: >Question of immunity only during official duties is very hard to establish so
: >was not implemented in all other countries. Do you know that the President of
: >Singapore also have full immunity? So are the other heads of state in Malaysia,
: >and other commonwealth nations, and even all the royalty of the Britain, unlike
: >Malaysia where the immunity is only for the Sultans.
: > 
: The head of states are elected by the people and the people feel that they
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a blatant lie. You should check with your facts first.

: have done wrong, believe me, they will force the wrong doers to go..e.g Brazil's
: ex-president. The royalty of Britain is only existing because of Queen Elizabeth
: and because of their entertainment value..;]

How come they have more power than even our present kings? EVen much richer?

: > 
: >: There have been tales of manslaughter and in one case, murder, with
: >: allegations made in parliment that a sultan killed his golf caddie.
: >This was a very old story but only come out now. You may wonder why?
: > 
: If I were fighting a war of words and trust, anything I can use for ammo
: will be used.
	So your motive is just grudge and nothing to do with justice or even
common sense.
	With the removal of the immunity, don't you think that the kings are
redundant?  We should just get rid of them, they are just a waste of money.
People with no power should not be given any money. At least now they still
have power so their salary is worth keeping.
	Who should replace them?

	Democracy is worth billions. How many lives will be lost if there were
dictatorship in Malaysia? How many billions will be lost in a dictatorships?

Look at Burma and Phillippines. They were the richest and what happens to thenm
now. Tell me how many billions have they lost? 

Remember that they got independence much earlier than Malaysia and Singapore.
Will Malaysia and Singapore turn to dictatorships? No matter how I dislike it,
they will, because the people want it and they have never fought for
independence.



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Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
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