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From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
Subject: Re: Gethostbyname Error
Organization: cadkey
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:54:50 GMT

Mark Stephan Coyle:
> I am programming on a 4D 310 VGX and am getting a segmentation fault
> whenvever I use the system call "gethostbyname".  The code works on
> other machines, bu not on this sgi.  Any clues?

Dave (the Psychic Debugger) Olson:
> Are you perhaps passing a bogus pointer?

Andrew Cherenson:
> It's important to make sure hp isn't NULL before using it.

RTFM gethostbyname:
> There are two versions of the routines documented in this  manual  entry:
> the  standard C library version and the NIS version in /usr/lib/libsun.a.
> The programmatic interface of both  versions  is  identical,  except  for
> gethostent.   The  standard  version  is the default; if you want the NIS
> version, follow the instructions for  (3Y)  routines  in  intro(3).   The
> differences are described below.

    [...make sure to include -lsun BEFORE -lc_s if you are including
    the c library on the link line... (ed)]

> 
> LIBC VERSION
>    The default resolution order is: query the BIND name server first, if is
>    not configured, then search /etc/hosts.
> 
> NIS VERSION
>    If NIS is enabled, gethostbyname and gethostbyaddr access the NIS
>    databases.  Otherwise, they use the same resolution order as the libc
>    versions.

My guess is that you want to pick up the NIS entry for dexter.psych.umn.edu
but are not getting it without the linking of -lsun.

Hope this helps...now back to my tarot cards.
-- 
Steve Gallichio       |"Have you ever heard of Plato? Aristotle? Socrates?
Cadkey, Inc.          |             ...Morons!"
steveg@cadkey.com     |
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re:  SCSI printers
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:50:53 GMT

|  Does anyone have experience with connecting a ps printer to SGI
|  boxes via the SCSI {1,2} bus ?
|  
|  I have a zippy Xante ps printer. It is quite fast, and I have
|  it connected via a centronics port. I have a breakout box on the
|  line, and I see lots of handshake activity. I think that the
|  printer is out pacing the parallel port on large bitmap images.
|  The printer ready line is can be trapped with no data on the data lines.

You don't say what kind of SGI system it is.  If it is a 30,35, or Indigo,
the parallel port defaults to about 200KB/sec (most printers only seem
to go about 60-70, and we wanted to be conservative).  By running
a small program on the port, you can do an ioctl that will take it up
to 500KB/sec, and still be within the psuedo spec.  You can go even
further, and run up to 1.5 MB/sec, if the printer handles it.

|  This wonderprinter has a SCSI port, and is designed for direct connection
|  to Apple machines. 

Usually the SCSI port is intended for a disk drive for fonts, although
there are a few SCSI printers that take data through the SCSI port
(Kodak 7700 is one we support, and the Laserwriter 1 had a twin that
was designed for printing bitmaps, with no PS interpreter; there is
a sample program in 4Dgifts/examples/devices/devscsi to drive that
printer).

|  Any insight about connecting this to a IRIS ? 
|  
|  What is the max throughput on the parallel lines ?

See above for Indigo class.  For the 20 and 25, it was around
250KB/sec, as I recall, and the IKON vme board was somewhere around
100-200, but I'm really hazy on that.

|  What is the bottleneck in getting data out a parallel line ?

Almost always the printer.

|  The CPU wait line shows lots of physical io waiting, like the
|  whole CPU wait bar is light blue (whatever that means!).

It just means that while sitting in the idle loop, there were
processes that would be runnable if they weren't waiting for i/o
to complete.

|  What is the throughput on the SCSI 1 or SCSI2 bus ? What are the
|  bottlenecks there ?

All kinds of variation here; I'd need to know what machine and/or i/o
board you have (hinv output).  Again, it is usually target device
limited.

|  Would it pay to write/debug a SCSI driver for this beast ? Is there 
|  lp scripts that talk/listen to the SCSI port ? What are the
|  issues to connect a program to a SCSI port ? Kernel drivers ?
|  I don't know if the printer will try to converse with the host
|  via the SCSI port.

You would almost certainly use the pass through SCSI driver (devscsi,
aka 'man ds dslib').  That is what we use for scanners and printers
on the SCSI bus..

Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: multiple polarviews
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:42:40 GMT

I open a window with the following sequence:

	prefposition(10,990,10,990);
	mainwin = winopen("Name");
	keepaspect(980.0,980.0);
	minsize(98.0,98.0);
	winconstraints();
	doublebuffer();
	RGBmode();
	gconfig();
	mmode(MVIEWING);
	
	/* set up hidden surface elimination */
	zbuffer(TRUE);
	czclear(0,getgdesc(GD_ZMAX));

	/* Intialize the eye position and orientation. */
	perspective(500,1.0,1.0,400.0);
	polarview(2.5*WorldMax,0,0,0);
                      ^^^^^^^^
			  ^
The value of WorldMax >>>>^  is based on values in the input data file.

Problem:
When I read in a new data file, recalculate WorldMax and call polarview
with the new val of WorldMax, the view is not modified.  Very strange.
I noticed that on the polarview man page it says:

     The matrix computed by polarview premultiplies the current matrix, as
     specified by mmode ....

Could this be part of the problem?

Fred
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: eng10312@nusunix1.nus.sg (NEO LIN CHEN)
Subject: Re: Frustrated with SGI support..
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:13:36 GMT

Just testing!
:wq

NEO LIN CHEN (eng10312@nusunix1.nus.sg) wrote:
: Kim Andersen (andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu) wrote:
: : I have several SGI systems, all different models.  I was very happy with
: : the hotline service the first couple years - they were very speedy and
: : knowledgable.  HOWEVER, response time has increased dramatically (coupled
: : with a seeming decrease in competence) over the past year and a half.
: : Ever since 4.0.X was released.  Now I don't bother to call the hotline
: : anymore because on the rare occasion that I get a return call, they have
: : no clue anyway.
: : 
: : Sorry, guys, but that's my experience.
: : 
: : 
: : Kim Andersen                 |  It's only ones and zeroes.
: : Harrington Cancer Center     |  The wonder is that
: : andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu  |  it does anything at all.  -- anonymous
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: crg@stat.psu.edu (Colin R Goodall)
Subject: ilaenv.f
Keywords: blas, LAPACK
Organization: Statistics Department, Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:55:24 GMT

To accompany the very useful blas library provided
with the operating system, is there also a special
version of ilaenv.f from LAPACK, or should I use
the generic version?   (With the generic version,
the block version of LAPACK routines are used with
matrices larger than 32 or 64 rows/columns.)

My machine is an Indigo R4000 Elan, 4.0.5F.

Thanks,
Colin Goodall
From: andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu (Kim Andersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Frustrated with SGI support..
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:56:18 GMT

I have several SGI systems, all different models.  I was very happy with
the hotline service the first couple years - they were very speedy and
knowledgable.  HOWEVER, response time has increased dramatically (coupled
with a seeming decrease in competence) over the past year and a half.
Ever since 4.0.X was released.  Now I don't bother to call the hotline
anymore because on the rare occasion that I get a return call, they have
no clue anyway.

Sorry, guys, but that's my experience.


Kim Andersen                 |  It's only ones and zeroes.
Harrington Cancer Center     |  The wonder is that
andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu  |  it does anything at all.  -- anonymous
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss)
Subject: UUCP over SLIP?
Organization: Accelr8 Technology Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:23:11 GMT

We use a modem on a 4D/20 running IRIX 4.0.1 to dial up an internet
provider with UUCP.  At times, we also call that site with SLIP.
I would like the ability to run uucico over the SLIP connection when
the modem is being used for that.  Does this seem possible?
I know that UUCP can be done over TCP/IP, but SGI does not seem to
provide any Devices file entry for it, and I am not sure how to set
up the Systems file for such a thing either.  Can anyone help or direct
me to information about this sort of thing?  Thanks.
-- 
 Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com)    Accelr8 Technology, Denver, Colorado, USA
 Opinions expressed above are mine.  Who else would have them?
From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: converting from VAX Binary
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu
Organization: Rockefeller University
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Jonathon Sivier (jsivier@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: snow@castor.hahnemann.edu (Donald C. Snow) writes:
: the VAX uses Intel byte order, the first two chars should be 'II'.  The floating
: point is more difficult.  Not only is the byte order reversed, but thats easy to
: fix, also the floating point formats are different.  I tried to determine the
: format, but gave up and transfered the floating point data as ASCII, which I
: could read in and let the program convert to floating point.  I'm sure
: someone knows the formats and how to convert from one to the other, but this
: was the easiest way as far as I cxould see.

The floatting point format of the MIPS machines is the following:

31	30-23		22-0
63	62-52		51-0
---------------------------------
S	e		f
Sign	Exponent	Fraction


the filesds are:
- 1bit sign: s
- biased exponent: e=E+bias
- fraction: f=.b1b2...bp-1

The values (v) are calculated in the following way:

1. if E=Emax+1 and f#0, then v is a NAN
2. if E+Emax+1 and f=0, then v=(-1)^s \infinity
3. if Emin<=E<=Emax, then v=(-1)^s*2^E*(1.f)
4. if E=Emin-1 and f#0, then v=(-1)^s*2^(Emin)*(0.f)
5. if E=Emin-1 and f=0, then v=(-1)^s*0

f		24 	53
Emax		+127	+1023
Emin		-126	-1022
Exp bias	+127	+1023

The R4000 and R6000 have a fixed point format:

31	30-0
S	integer 
, which is in 2's complementary format.

I do not have data about the VAX numbers, perhaps You would like to
post to c.s.vax groups

Convert and enjoy.

-- Penio.
From: did@kepler.unh.edu (Dusan I Dragovic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: WANTED TO BUY IRIS INDIGO 33MHz
Date: 23 Dec 1992 05:23:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: ALL
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

WANTED:

W-4DRFC		IRIS INDIGO 33MHZ, 32MB
DK-P5-001	POWER CORD DESTINATION
D3-M62A		16" 60HZ DUALSCAN COLOR MONITOR
SC4-NFS-4.0.1.	NFS SFWR FOR IRIX 4.0,X
S4-FTN-3.3.2	FORTRAN 77
SC4-IDO-4.0.1	IRIS DEVELOPMENT OPTION
SC4-C++ 3.0	C++
MO5-CD		CD ROM UPDATE MEDIA OPTION FOR ESD

PLEASE REPLY TO D_DRAGOVIC@UNHH.UNH.EDU OR CALL 212-575-9265 OR FAX 212 575-9681.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Gethostbyname Error
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 06:19:57 GMT

In <1992Dec21.033141.15406@news2.cis.umn.edu> coyle@mars.cs.umn.edu (Mark Stephan Coyle) writes:
| I am programming on a 4D 310 VGX and am getting a segmentation fault
| whenvever I use the system call "gethostbyname".  The code works on
| other machines, bu not on this sgi.  Any clues?

Hard to say, w/o any backtrace or the relevant part of the code.
Are you perhaps passing a bogus pointer?

While folks at SGI are willing to help, we aren't psychic...

It is sort of expected that anybody writing code is at least
capable of getting backtraces with a debugger.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: sgi.com!pdi!shoshana@BRL.MIL (Shoshana Abrass)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Hard drives...
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:38:45 GMT


>  The Mac is *incredibly* sloppy about ignoring bad bus phases, 
>  {... }it has very unsatisfactory results in trying to make multiple
>  devices work *reliably* at the "same" time.

  We've had far more cases of corrupted file systems or files on
  the sgi's than on the macs. That's what I use to just the 
  reliability of the bus.

>  Sounds to me like you aren't using very high quality cables, 
>  terminators, or devices then.  

  The devices are seagate disks. The terminators are, of course, 
  from SGI. The cables are the best we can find to buy, though 
  there may be better ones available.

>  something like blow the SCSI termpower fuse, and not fixed 
>  it; 

  Is there a diag test for this condition? Or do I get out the
  ohmmeter?

>  I suppose you'd rather have corrupted data, and data rates 
>  on the order of 100KBytes/sec, instead of 2-5 MBytes/sec also?  
>  I doubt it.

  I want it to be both fast and usable. Maybe that isn't possible
  in the world of scsi;  I'm not an expert. The point is, I don't
  want to _be_ an expert.  I want to attach new disks from well-
  known vendors like seagate, and have them work without trauma.
  I don't disbelieve that SGI has put a lot of work into its scsi; 
  but I haven't had appreciably better behavior from the indigo 
  R4000's than I had from the 4D/25's.

>  If you are attaching 3rd party SCSI devices, ask the people 
>  you buy them from to support them properly.  If the problems 
>  occur with SGI purchased devices, by all means get the support 
>  folks to make them work; escalate the call if necessary!

  After several years of bad scsi behavior from many models of SGI
  machines, I no longer believe the problem is with the devices.

  -shoshana
   shoshana@pdi.com
   Shoshana Abrass
   Pacific Data Images, Sunnyvale, CA
From: bclark@ctron.com (Bret Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Restricting root from telnetRestricting root from telnet
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:20:35 GMT

---------  Received message begins Here  ---------

> From info-iris-request@wolf.brl.mil  Sat Dec 19 16:41:48 1992
> From: Blair Copeland <an16@sol.acs.unt.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
> Subject: Restricting root from telnet.
> Keywords: telnet
> Date: 19 Dec 92 05:41:06 GMT
> Sender: UNT USENet Adminstrator <usenet@mercury.unt.edu>
> To: info-iris-misc@BRL.MIL
> 
> If this is in the wrong group please don't yell!
> 
> 
>      We are running a Silicon Graphics on a Cabletron DNSMIM card.
>      The system is IRIS 4.0.1.  We would like to keep the root from 
>      logging in via telnet.
> 
>      I believe that this system is a System V Release 4 variant.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> ==================================================================
> Blair Copeland                 |
> Data Communications Analyst    |
> University of North Texas      |  copeland@sol.acs.unt.edu
> ==================================================================
> 


Having fun getting this one out. Sorry if this appears more than once.

What is the DNSMIM?

The DNSMIM is a board built by SGI for Cabletron Systems. The board is
a Media Interface Module (MIM) which slides into Cabletron's Multi-
Media Access Center (MMAC).

Hardware wise it is functionally the same as an IRIS Indigo R3000, but 
the DNSMIM lacks audio and video support.  The DNSMIM does support X11
terminals or a locally attached VT100 terminal.

The OS is a full compliment of IRIX 4.0.1. A minor modification was made
to the kernal to allow for shutdown and startup from the ON-OFF switch.

Anyone asking questions about the software is basically asking about
an IRIS Indigo running IRIX 4.0.1. 

I hope this group will accept any questions which appear about this
product.

>We would like to keep the root from 
>logging in via telnet.

With regards to your question, I do not have an answer, but now that 
everyone knows what the DNSMIM is, maybe someone can give you an answer.

Regards,
Bret Clark
Product Manager
From: antonio@atenea.etsimo.uniovi.es (Antonio Bello Garcia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Merry Xmas & Happy New Year 1993
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:31:25 GMT

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From: karron@karron.med.nyu.edu (Dan Karron (karron@nyu.edu))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Perl for IRIX
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:37:53 GMT


Where is the latest and greatest Perl for IRIX ?

Cheers!

Dan.
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Restricting root from telnet
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:39:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <34768@adm.brl.mil>, bclark@ctron.com (Bret Clark) writes:
> ..
> >We would like to keep the root from 
> >logging in via telnet.
> 
> With regards to your question, I do not have an answer, but now that 
> everyone knows what the DNSMIM is, maybe someone can give you an answer.

IRIX does not have the 4.3BSD "wheel" stuff.

Instead, it might be effective to do something in /.login like noticing
that $REMOTEHOST is set but $REMOTEUSER=UNKNOWN, and quit.  (That assumes
the objection is to telnet but not ftp, rexec, rsh, or rlogin.)

If the DNSMIM board has a directly connected tty port, and the objection
is to login's over the network, it might be effective to have /.login
choke if `tty` is not that port.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: karron@karron.med.nyu.edu (Dan Karron (karron@nyu.edu))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Perl for IRIX
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:37:51 GMT


Where is the latest and greatest Perl for IRIX ?

Cheers!

Dan.
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: UUCP over SLIP?
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:10:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <Bzorqn.1y2@accelr8.com>, jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss) writes:
> We use a modem on a 4D/20 running IRIX 4.0.1 to dial up an internet
> provider with UUCP.  At times, we also call that site with SLIP.
> I would like the ability to run uucico over the SLIP connection when
> the modem is being used for that.  Does this seem possible?
> I know that UUCP can be done over TCP/IP, but SGI does not seem to
> provide any Devices file entry for it, and I am not sure how to set
> up the Systems file for such a thing either.  Can anyone help or direct
> me to information about this sort of thing?  Thanks.


Oh, it should be noted that IRIX SLIP co-exists with UUCP.
The right things will happen if you just turn off the SLIP connection,
allowing UUCP to grab the line for its needs.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: zhang@valve.ime.nrc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re:cxterm problems
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:59:06 GMT


>Does anyone know if this program can be gotten to work on SGIs
Michael D. Fischer,

Cxterm and celvis work very well on SGI I am using 
under IRIX 3.x.x and 4.0.1, 4.0.5.

Cxterm is a xterm in both English and Chinese.
celvis is a clone of vi editor on cxterm, supports both 
English and Chinese

gb2ps and gbtops also work well on SGI, they support
convertion from GB coding to PostScript in 4 set of Chinese
Fonts (24*24) and any sizes.

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From: bob@caw2.4950tw.wpafb.af.mil (Bob Plested)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Comparison of Alpha, MIPS and PA-RISC-II wanted (fwd)
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:46:43 GMT

> 
> Perhaps you'd like to explain why the back of the RMS manual looks like:
> 
> 		V M S
> 		_________________
> 		
> 		*Volume 6B*
> 
> 		*File System*
> 
> 		Record Management
> 		Services (RMS)
> 
> Seriously, RMS is all-pervasive in VMS.  Sure, you can do QIOs to the 
> XQP yourself, and RMS even provides an interface to make this a little
> easier.  But 99.999% of the time, there is no reason to do so.  This is


Ok, time out. I'm as much of a VMS junkie as any of us, heck, my first job
out of college could be attributed to my knowledge of VMS (I'm an aero engr
by training and trade). This thread has gone on long enough. The current
text has nothing to do with a) the subject line or b) this newsgroup. Please
take it off line.

Thanks
Bob 
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From: john@sg25.aud.temple.edu (John W. Schwegler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Finite element modeling/analysis
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:11:22 GMT


Happy New Year Folks!

I am about to start working on a problem that would probably be handled
well by finite element modeling, computation of an electrostatic solution
in a complex geometry with (assumed) known sources.

Does anyone have any suggestions about FE software for SGI machines?
Public domain would be nice, but rather unlikely I suppose. I am
interested in hearing about any commercial packages as well.

Thanks in advance!

(I will summarize if I get any replies.)
-john

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