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From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Don't dream of quitting now
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:06:37 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I vote that the group isn't dead.  I fought long and hard just to get
subscribed to the group.  Don't you dare die on me.  If you do, I'll just have
to cast a resurrection spell from one of my RPG books.  I'm sure mail will pick
up once everyone is back from the holidays.

Is there a Werewolf faq?  If so, are there any questions on it?  (If a human
turns into a wolf in the middle of the forest, and no one is around to hear him
howl and scream, and he himself doesn't remember the next day, does he make a
sound?)

Does anyone have any interesting dreams about lycanthropy?  Sometimes the best
story ideas come from dreams.  Here's some samplings of mine, from what I
remember... :\

In one dream I was an anti-terrorist.  Terrorists were holding hostages at our
high school.  After a shootout, there were left only myself and the leader of
the terrorists--who looked like Rostov, leader of the terrorists in _Invasion
USA_.  I turned into a wolf and attacked him.

In another dream set at the high school, I walked out of an extra class that
took place after the school ended for the day.  I then became lucid and decided
to turn into a wolf.  It didn't quite work.  I lost physical control of my
body, and watched myself twist into horrible shapes, then woke up.  Bleah.

In another dream I was a werewolf hunter.  I was walking around a mall, looking
for people with thick, convergent eyebrows.  I don't remember more than this.

And, in one dream, I was at the other end of town (actually, in a ficticious
location).  I saw what at first looked like a dog, headed towards me.  But as
he came closer he looked more like a wolf.  Sure enough, he got up on his hind
legs and became part human.  He looked at me, then I woke up.

Except for the second one, these were all rather fun.  Unfortunately, they are
all rather old, too.  I haven't had any more recent ones, but I'm trying to get
into lucid dreaming.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: mossap@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Moss A D)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Is this newsgroup still alive??
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: mossap@essex.ac.uk (Moss A D)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK


I`d say this group was alive.
Keep it going!
From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Don't dream of quitting now
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE

I sometimes awaken in outside of my house with blood on my hands and face,
usually I am in my own neighborhood but a few times I woke up 10mis away.

I can never remember a thing, I only remember that on these occasions having a 
dream about a former girlfriend.  She comes towards me and tells me to follow 
her and I do without question.  She was really strange when I was dating her
I remember she would bite my lip and laugh while I was bleeding.
Kind of kinky I know.  

But anyway I have not seen her in about 2yrs.  The last time I woke up out of my
house was about 6mnths ago.  Wonder how I got blood on my hands?




confused 
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: sandler@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Sandman)
Subject: Re: Wolf
Organization: Lab Rats
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:23:58 GMT

In article <C0DCtM.Jt4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Bruce Norman) writes:
>
>Well, there it is.  Any comments/criticisms are appreciated.  This is only
>a rough summary, covering major events in the novel.  Many minor twists
>(like psychological transformations, activities of the "intelligent" wolves, 
>etc. have been left out).
>

Well I like it.  It has the amusing feel of a role playing game.  What probably
needs to be added is at least one subplot of some sort.  Something unrelated
to the WWcycle that gets thrown in; perhaps there is also a serial killer
in town and it is confusing the investigation (maybe we can end with him
being released because the murders continue with him in jail and end with
him petting a small wolf-like puppy and the puppy biting him...)

[Is this group still alive?  Yes/no you be the judge. to vote yes
write a note to vote no kill a cat]
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: ferret@synecdoche.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Heart of Midnight (minor spoilers)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:24:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: werewolf, Ravenloft
Originator: ferret@synecdoche.engin.umich.edu


In article <1hqt20INN6ct@aludra.usc.edu>, fields@aludra.usc.edu (Canis) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.154002.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> berry@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
> 
> question. He's a natural lycanthrope ...

> As a werewolf story, ...


	Just one more minor spoiler, that I think you missed.  Towards the end
of the book (and before the last 75 pages or so), Harkon Lukas tells "our hero" (Casimir) that he is a *_wolfwere_* NOT a werewolf.  This meaning that his natural form is that of a wolf, and he is cursed(?) to be able to change into a man; whereas the werewolf is the other way round.  I don't have my copy here at school, so I can't give a page reference.  But you might want to go and check for this reference as it will be a few weeks before I can get the book here.

	Ken Lipka
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
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From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Subject: Re: FULL MOON
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:17:56 GMT

what is this wolverine stuff, I am curious.


Dennis
From: fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: WOLF story
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:38:51 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

Hi

What happened to the Werewolf story that was being posted here in parts?  Is
the next one still being written?  I only got the last two parts - are the
rest archived somewhere?

It was about a boy who had killed a wolf with some friends and become the
hero of the highschool.  It seems that he was almost killed by the wolf,
and something strange has started to happen to him...

It's a really good story.  Are you out there Mr Author?


-- 
 Catherine 

	"Your favourite shirt is on the bed
	 Do a somersault on your head"
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Bruce Norman)
Subject: Re: WOLF story
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:33:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.133851.29047@rtf.bt.co.uk> fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:
>Hi
>
>What happened to the Werewolf story that was being posted here in parts?  Is
>the next one still being written?  I only got the last two parts - are the
>rest archived somewhere?
>
>It was about a boy who had killed a wolf with some friends and become the
>hero of the highschool.  It seems that he was almost killed by the wolf,
>and something strange has started to happen to him...
>
>It's a really good story.  Are you out there Mr Author?
>
Thanks for your complements Catherine, at this time I am not planning on 
finishing the Wolf story in the near future.  My courses are tough this term,
and I have no time to write.  I also have another project, a fantasy story
called "The Wizard of Smaug" (posted to rec.games.frp.archives btw), which
I hold in preference to Wolf.  Perhaps some day, when I have more spare time,
I will be able to finish off Wolf and The Wizard of Smaug and get them
published.  Until then.... no dice :(

I'll be sure to post any new writings to .werewolf, and make Wolf available
for FTP for those of you who missed it.

Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: sandler@snow-white.ee.udel.edu (Sandman)
Subject: Re: Don't dream of quitting now
Organization: Lab Rats
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:31:07 GMT

In article <93008.211621IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Straight into darkness <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Hey could someone repost the ways to become a werewolf and whether they
>do or do not have conscious control of themselves (could you please
>cite sources) think I might give some of the recipes a try!
>thanx   -tc

Trust me, it is not worth it.  If you fail you might have given your
soul away.  If you win you are cursed......
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: lizb@banyan.com
Subject: Barker on Letterman
Organization: Banyan Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:16:27 GMT

Posted for a friend:

Did anybody tape Clive Barker on Letterman last night?  If so, would it
be possible to get a copy of the tape?

Reply to: lizb@banyan.com

Thanks!
From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:08:26 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu

In article <1993Jan11.131200.7521@nuscc.nus.sg> isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH YEN LING) writes:
>Ooooh goodie!  We're heading towards another King vs Barker.
>>
  Uh oh; where are all you Barker fans?


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Dracula (the Movie)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:45:11 GMT

I saw Dracula over Christmass break with my fiance. We were both disapointed.
Things she did not like:
1) Poor dialogue
2) No character development
3) Gratuitous negligeee.
4) Gratuitous heaving breasts.
Things she liked:
1) The setting/set/costumes
Things I did not like:
1) The lack of a cohesive plot/storyline
2) The underdeveloped characters
Things I liked
1) The heaving breasts (just kidding) :)
2) The special effects
3) The setting/set and costumes

Overall, I was disapointed and expected better of FFK. I think it should have 
been longer and used the extra time to develop the characters and storyline and
certain parts could have been cut out (like the excessive amount of heaving 
breasts) ***Sorry about all the breasts, but my fiance is a feminist and hse
kept going on and on about it**** :)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH YEN LING)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:12:00 GMT

Ooooh goodie!  We're heading towards another King vs Barker.

Personally I feel King wins on the "reality" (whatever that means in
horror fiction) side.  His settings are believable.  His horror comes
from the a source both ordinary and sometimes unexpected, eg the sewers
in It, and a shop in Needful Things.  That's where his genius lies.

Barker depends on too much fancy stuffs, IMHO, which is one main reason
I consider him more of a fantasy than a horror writer.  I feel a lot of
dread in King's novels.  Barker only fills me with images not unlike
those from a B-grade slasher movie.  The horrifying parts of his stories
come from any typical fantasy novels describing the dark armies, which I
frankly don't find terrifying at all.  I was disappointed with
Weaveworld probably coz' I read it after Cabal and the basic plot and
premises in both novels were the same.  The fantasy people which men
fear were actually good, while the ones men respected were really
supposed to be evil.

I don't know what King's religious convictions are (would be most
interested to know), but I don't see what the fuss over the ending of
The Stand is all about.  In It, the giant turtle (who died after drowning
in its own puke) was supposed to have created the physical universe as
we know it, but does that mean that the Christian god is a turtle?  The
Tommyknockers refer to a unintelligent force as similar to god.  The
descriptions of Catholics and Baptists in Needful Things aren't very
flattering.  Nah, I think the ending in The Stand is just right for such
a novel of armageddonic proportions.  My sensitivities regarding
religion may not like it, but I can't think of a better conclusion
myself.

Sorry for wasting bandwidth but I simply couldn't resist.  8)

Alison



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From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,alt.paranormal,alt.personals
Subject: QUOTE SUGGESTION (was Your help is needed! Please read.)
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <C0GKnF.Gs4@athena.cs.uga.edu> troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson) writes:
                         [ stuff deleted ]
>This is a short request to all the users of the Net I can reach.
                       [ more stuff deleted ]
>If you have a suggestion for a quote that is funny, creative, etc.
>and you feel fits in the category of "Noble Rhetoric" or "Snappy
>Comeback" in some vague way, please e-mail the suggestion to me
                    [ yet more stuff deleted ]

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From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Subject: Re: No subject 
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:14:17 GMT

In article <memo.843130@cix.compulink.co.uk> piharris@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>This is a story I have just finished, I'd appreciate any comments.
>
>
>
>THE SAND MAN
>
>Outside the sandstorm raged.
>
>Sand Man.
>
>The Sand Man bent down and picked up the book that had brought him to
>the pit, agonising pain sliding up and down his body as he moved. He
>stood for a moment, then joined the other creatures. For the rest of
>eternity.
>



This story is really cool, you must expand on it.  
What is the common goal of the creatures?  Or is a common goal possible?

What happened before he got to the crypt, what happened after he became 
a creature?

What powers do these creatures possess?
From: se2da@dmu.ac.uk (Dave Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Meet the Feebles/Bad Taste
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:52:07 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK

Anyone know if there are any more films by the same director,
and if they are on video?
thanks

Dave
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SKing: The Stand
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:29:29 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <J7LPwB2w165w@wuntvor.pillar.com>,
ntraven@wuntvor.pillar.com (The Night Raven) writes:
>      ABC was suposed to have released "The Stand," as a mini-series this year.
> (A six or eight hour one, I think).. Maybe next season..

     According to the _Deseret_News_ (don't remember which, but it was
post-US elections), "The Stand" will begin filming in Utah sometime
soon.  Exactly when was not specified.  Filming was originally set for
Colorado, but Amendment 2 changed that.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "We are not in the Eighth Dimension.
Email is life!   |  We are over New Jersey.  All is not lost."
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: colin.buckley@rose.com (colin buckley)
Subject: Clive on Letterman
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:24:39 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-08-93 03:20
I've only ever completed one of Clive's books The Hellbound Heart (am I
confused or was Pinhead of the female species in the book?)  I started
WeaveWorld, but gave up after 30 or so pages when the story and characters
kept changing so offen.

Based on Clive's incredible interview on Letterman, I'm going to complete
one of his big novels, hoping it gets better in the middle.  If his
books are only a fraction as good as his interview it would still be a good
read.

So my question is what's Clive's best books?  I don't want short stories, I
want a big book that will hopefully interest me to read the first few chapters.
I picked up $1.99 hardback covers of WeaveWorld and The Great and Secret Show
along time ago.  I don't really want to go back to WeaveWorld.  Is The Great
and Secret Show a good start?  I liked Candyman, Hellraiser, and my favorite
horror film Hellbound (contained all the good parts of Hellraiser in
flashbacks.)

Regarding the "incredible interview" mention above, if you didn't see it
or you don't get American shows in your country, it was incredible from
a comedic point of view.  It was the type of laughs from a slash flick, he
was talking about horror material I guess.  He's very funny, and interesting,
and which surprised me as Dave's questions were hardly great, he obviously
isn't a horror fan, and was somewhat lost.
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From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Re: Koontz again
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: alt
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:53:06 GMT

  *Blech!* John Saul? Sorry. If you like his writing, fine.
 I can't stand his stuff. It's all the same. I tried reading
 Darkness recently and it put me right to sleep. He might be
 a technically-better writer than Koontz, but the guy just
 can't tell a story.

  I found Strangers to be one of Koontz' best books simply
 because, for the first third or so of the book he keeps
 the mystery level turned up quite high. Even though I
 figured it out shortly after that, I was still happy with
 how he pulled the whole thing off. 

  Servants of Twilight was OK, but hardly great Koontz. Try
 Lightning for what is *possibly* his best written book.

				The Woodsman.
-- 

Rich Paige DCS/CSRI     paige@csri.toronto.edu             
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:28:47 GMT

In article <1insctINN2a7@savoy.cc.williams.edu> 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime) writes:
>
>
>  Realism in this genre?  A contradiction, I think.  What is written,
>the reactions of "screaming in terror", are all hypothetical.  You
>have an element of the supernatural, which you try to relate with what
>is natural.   But I think realism is a word we must throw out once we
>turn the first page.

Now we are getting somewhere. At last.
I would suggest that the relation between the supernatural and the natural
survives on realism, for most readers. True, our reactions when exposed to
"the shape under the sheet" are all hypothetical. But for a story
incorporating these reactions to succeed with me, the hypotheses must be
believeable, a term I find synonymous with realistic.
 >
>  In fact, throw me in with Dahmer; I quite frankly find fiction where
>the horrors are embraced (and yes, there are people out there, and
>stories to convey this "twisted" desire) much more exciting and fresh.
Understood and accepted. I guess my love of horror just doesn't run THAT deep.

>If you want realism, I suggest you pick up a Dickens novel, or any
>other book which falls under real "L"-iterature, as you put it.  The
>very fact that you say The Stand "transcends" the horror genre is
>getting to my point: why transcend it?  Why not embrace it? Is being
>catergorized as Big "L" literature so wonderful?  I see a bunch of
>old, withered scholars sitting round a table saying, "Why yes, I think
>Steve has finally made it to the big league.  Let's take him seriously
>now."  Who the fuck are these people, anyway?
Assholes, for the most part. The point I was trying to make had very
little to do with the intrusion of King into some sort of scholarly canon.

Perhaps King writes not in the horror genre at all, as you would see it,
at least: perhaps he writes in the borderland. I've read some of Barker's
work and find it interesting, on a hypothetical level, but all in all I
find King's work eminently more plausible, and thus (to me) scarier.

>protaganists never move the book: it's always the dog, or the psycho
>lady, or the clown, or the vampires.

I think this illustrates a basic mindset on life and our relation to it as
human beings: that very little is actually within our control. I accept
this idea wholeheartedly.

>  And please, I don't want fundamentalists on my case about religion.
>I just think that using Biblical references is sort of a
>cop-out, imagination-wise.  If you're going to set a novel in
>Christianland, then lots of questions get answered before they're
>asked; little is left for the reader to decide.

I now understand your point, which I had misinterpreted. Thanks for the
clarification.


-- 
Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada
brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca |"Life is what happens when you're busy making other
(the BREADbox...)     |plans" --John Lennon
Disclaimer: you mean somebody's taking something I said SERIOUSLY?
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Suspiria on Cinemax
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:45:00 GMT

In article <k1i5wB6w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com (Brady Gaughan) writes:
>
>> Just saw Suspiria last night on cable on the Cinemax channel.  It was great t
>> such a classic recognized on the cable network.  
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else had a chance to see it.  I've never been able t
>> in the video stores, but at least now I have a copy :^)
>> 
>> --Brady
>> 
>> 
>
>
> Is this the edited version (which I have), or the complete version (the 
>nasty parts of which I've seen)? The difference doesn't matter TOO much, 
>as the flick relies more on style than on gore anyway, but the opening 
>murder is a LOT better in its runny glory.
>
>marlowe
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
>pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

they ran a strange print of the film, halfway between the edited version,
and the Directors cut.
the opening murder is still shortened, but includes the nastiest bits.
But transitional pans and such are removed throughout. Perhaps this is
the japanese cut we heard so much about before the directors cut came out.
Look for the edition of the film released by Magnum Entertainment. It is
the longest available. Argento refused to release it until someone allowed him
a directors cut. Cinemax's print looked very nice, but it should be seen
Letterboxed, which even the directors cut is not. Available that way
on Laserdisc from Japan.
Pax
					--Judex--