HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.video.production

> If I were you I'd wait for several other systems to come out. ADI and 
> Fast Forward Video are both coming out with units which should produce Betacam
> SP quality video. They have minimum compression ratios of 10 to 1 or less
> so they should be able to meet their quality claims. Also the Fast Forward
> Video board is supposed to be $5000, about $1000 cheaper than the DigitalFilm
> board.

Any idea of how much disc space is required (in Mb/minute)?

			-- Chan
From: s-s-rat@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (the Stainless Steel R)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: sony e61, 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:32:48 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

WEll My 8mm is working out for me, I find i can control bleeding of 
amythig is I use the shutter speed controls, is the MINOLTA equiped with 
such, the sony e 61 has 3 and they are enough for me to get everything 
from flowers on sunny/clowdy days to people sword-fighting and car races

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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: HI8 equipment recs needed
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:14:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

While working on setting up an SVHS system for one group, a friend got
talking about how he was going to be setting up a HI8 editing system
where he works.  Since we had been talking about the net, he asked me
if I'd post for him.  I tried to warn him, but he made me promise...  :-)

What would you use for a cut's only system (9700?)  How about AB-roll?
What about tripod mounted camera's?  What about the switcher?  HI8 time
code or just control track?  [ for this application AB-roll is desirable,
and time code is probably unnecessary ]

Comments to me or post.  Thanks.
==================================================================8--<
Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045
CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX 75083-3851, (214) 497-4512
Death is a reward for being responsible.                   UofI UC '86
From: nicaugh@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: DMI solution (no need to buy a single frame rec)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:19:17 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1gj1i3INN11m@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Toaster Man) writes:
> 
> 
> I belive the new DMI boards will change the way we look at single frame
> recording.  here are some specs on it.
> BTW i dont work for the company I just thought some people would like to know
> about a different solution to the SFR.
Looks damn good, I'd love to hear from any one who has seen/ used this stuff.
I can't see it replacing the SFR entirely for broadcast stuff, 
but it would sure make it alot quicker for prototypes & such stuff. 
Nigel.
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Animation Research Ltd              Fax   : +64-3-4799751
Dunedin 
New Zealand                         Email : nicaugh@otago.ac.nz
From: kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: video edit/digital video grant - advice
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:21:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

We have a lot of tape of clinic sessions and student teaching, and the
faculty would like to be able to edit this, or digitize it (we have
VideoSpigot for popping short clips into Persuasion/Macromind), as
appropriate for classes and seminars. A professor here is trying to spiff
up an old grant proposal (that got favorable comments, but no $) to get
some equipment to do editing.

The heart of the old proposal is:
2 x NEC PC-VCR videotape recorders                $4,390
1 x Lightsource controller software for above       $595
2 x Panasonic AG-460 camcorders                   $5,000

We think this needs updating, and the task is given to me -
("give it to computer-guy, he'll eat anything").

I was suggesting Hi-8 (3 decks, 2 camcorders) and Adobe Photoshop 2.0,
which could control the edit if desired. Another professor has mentioned
3/4" as "the only way to go"; he is experienced in taping and his comment
carries weight.

Can I have your thoughts? Is there a reputable firm that does computer
controlled editing set-ups that could quote us? Is there a FAQ for this
group that contains some of this (or other basic info)?

If anyone is willing to help us by commenting, I'll be specific:

Hi8 or 3/4"?
3 editing decks or 2?
What brand/model of decks/camcorders (and, if known, ~$)?
What controllers/software (its a Mac/IBM house here, but Amiga?)?
How many monitors are needed?

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. !!!!
Kim Cary, GSEP Systems Support, Pepperdine University
(310) 568-5628, kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu, KCARY@PEPVAX,
FAX (310) 568-5755
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Pro Hi8 AFM Stereo VCR
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:39:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.5371
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


	Sony have finally introduced a Hi8 VCR with *AFM stereo* capability
(as opposed to PCM stereo and AFM mono only) so people can finally edit
their tapes in stereo.  This is a consumer VCR, EVS-3000.  Does anybody
know if an industrial version is in the works?  Something along the lines
of EVO-9700 would be ideal.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: video toaster
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:41:16 EST

Hi everybody!

    I'd like to know if there's a company or store in Toronto, or
anywhere in Canada, that sells the Video Toaster from NewTek & can
provide detailed info about it, such as price, technical description,
etc.

   Also, is there anything like it based on an IBM system?

Please, if you have any information, post me a message. If nothing else,
I'd appreciate a US address too.

Take care

Robert
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Supermac's DigitalFilm Video capture and export board
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:33:40 GMT

>> Fast Forward Video are both coming out with units which should produce Betacam
>> SP quality video. They have minimum compression ratios of 10 to 1 or less
>> so they should be able to meet their quality claims. Also the Fast Forward
>> Video board is supposed to be $5000, about $1000 cheaper than the DigitalFilm
>> board.
>
>Any idea of how much disc space is required (in Mb/minute)?
>
>			-- Chan 


For $5000, you could get a new 040 based Amiga and DMI's Digital EditMaster.
It is hard to do video on the Mac... NewTek wanted to make a Toaster for
it but gave the idea up since just the extra hardware for Mac to make it
video-compatible would cost $2000 to $3000.  They just sold an Amiga along
with the board and Mac software interface to people who really wanted a
Mac Toaster.

DMI's board is supposed to do Betacam quality video at about 1 Gig/8 min.
You can get about twice that time or more for VHS quality.

Mac is a great system if money is not an issue.  It is tops in DTP.  But
it is not a video machine.  You'll spend a lot of money getting a Mac to
do video and it will still not be as good as Amiga stuff.



                                       NCW
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: 8 MM vs VHS-C formats
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

Last summer I personnally opted for hi8 (an 8mm derivative format) over
SVHSC (a VHS-C derivative) although I have been an SVHS user for several
years.  Reason was that this camcorder was intended for personal and
family use, which includes lots of off-the-cuff shooting and traveling.
The Sony TR-81 offered lots of quality and a 2-hour recording time on
a very small economical cassette compared to the compact VHS formats.
SVHS-C and VHS-c are limited to 20 or 30 minutes at the SP speed.  To
my eyes, recordings at EP are far inferior even though you get more
time. The hi8 format is very well developed and the TR-81 represented
several generations of development.  The compact VHS formats are an
adaptation of VHS and carry some of its problems forward.  I have heard
about some technical problems with rewinding and scanning with the small
VHS cassettes.  The compact formats are also a lot more expensive than
8mm and hi8 for a given recording time.


The only advantage I can see to VHS-C and SVHS-c are compatibility with
existing editing and playback gear.  I solve that problem by either
carrying my rf adapter along and playing the tape directly on my host's
TV, or editing to a VHS tape.  I have done lots of the latter, as the
TR-81 has an editing interface with fits right in with my existing SVHS
edit setup.  Hi8 quality has been excellent for me and the copies I
make in VHS look great - as good as someone else's VHS camcorder original.
I have been shooting lots and lots of tape.  That quantity in compact
VHS or SVHS form would have been many times more costly, and I would
have had the hassle of changing tapes right in the middle of the action
in a few cases.

It is also my opinion that the cameras sold inthe hi8 and 8mm format
just happen to be of better image quality than those offered by Panasonic,
the proponent of compact VHS.


   /|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
  / | |/ ||\|\  \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil
========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
From: daniel@lclark.edu (Daniel Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: video edit/digital video grant - advice
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec15.174250.13558
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <9212141623.AA02707@pepvax.pepperdine.edu> kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu writes:
>We have a lot of tape of clinic sessions and student teaching, and the
>faculty would like to be able to edit this, or digitize it (we have
>VideoSpigot for popping short clips into Persuasion/Macromind), as
>appropriate for classes and seminars. A professor here is trying to spiff
>up an old grant proposal (that got favorable comments, but no $) to get
>some equipment to do editing.
>
>The heart of the old proposal is:
>2 x NEC PC-VCR videotape recorders                $4,390
>1 x Lightsource controller software for above       $595
>2 x Panasonic AG-460 camcorders                   $5,000
>
>We think this needs updating, and the task is given to me -
>("give it to computer-guy, he'll eat anything").
>
>I was suggesting Hi-8 (3 decks, 2 camcorders) and Adobe Photoshop 2.0,
>which could control the edit if desired. Another professor has mentioned
>3/4" as "the only way to go"; he is experienced in taping and his comment
>carries weight.
>
>Can I have your thoughts? Is there a reputable firm that does computer
>controlled editing set-ups that could quote us? Is there a FAQ for this
>group that contains some of this (or other basic info)?
>
>If anyone is willing to help us by commenting, I'll be specific:
>
>Hi8 or 3/4"?
>3 editing decks or 2?
>What brand/model of decks/camcorders (and, if known, ~$)?
>What controllers/software (its a Mac/IBM house here, but Amiga?)?
>How many monitors are needed?
>
>THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. !!!!
>Kim Cary, GSEP Systems Support, Pepperdine University
>(310) 568-5628, kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu, KCARY@PEPVAX,
>FAX (310) 568-5755


Might I suggest going digital?  My department here at Lewis & Clark has
just installed a complete Digital Film suite (based on a Quadra 900).

It may just be a better alternative than investing in a complete analog 
set-up.

Dan Snodgrass
Media Services
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: re: video toaster
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:58:33 EST

Thanks Len, VERY MUCH!

Take care

Robert
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: pvj@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Paul Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:33:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Sony TR-101 vs. Panasonic PVS-62
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: rec.video.production


     I had been also looking into the TR-101 and ended up purchasing one
via mail order out of Texas. I have nothing but good things to say about
the camera. Your right it does not have some of the fancy bells and whistles
that the Panasonic 62 has but then again like anything else do you want 
a very good picture and sound or do you want an o.k. picture and more editing
features? The panasonic only offers at best 380 lines of res. v.s. 400 plus
on the TR-101 of course when using a Hi-8 metal tape. You can always buy an
editing machine to complement the sony to match or even surpass the PV 62.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that one should worry about producing
as good of a master as possible to begin with, and edit it later.

     If you don't have the means of a display that will reproduce 400 plus
lines of res. than you might as well stick with a standard VHS-C or 8mm
camera. With one exception again, when you go to copy your tapes it's very
important to have a good master copy as you will have loss in the transfer.

     A word about the purchase:  The cost of the TR-101 in the local elect.
stores here in Sacramento is 1599.00 plus an average of 200.00 for a 3 yr.
warranty. I shopped and shopped and chopped hard on all of these local stores
and ended up rock bottom at a still high 1399.00 plus the same 200.00 
warranty dollars. I then turned to mail order. All of the local stores of coursetold me all of these horror stories about parralell importing etc..
Some of this I found to be true especially of the mail order out of New York.
Basically you need to find a reputable dealer i.e. Sony or Panasonic
athorized dealer. There are 800 numbers you can call directly to Sony etc.
and check to insure they are reputable dealers. I went through VideoPower
of which I found in Video mag.. They are out of Texas and gave me excellent
next day deliverly, the TR-101, a 3 yr. warranty thru Phillips of which many
of the big stores use, and some accessories for 1249.00 (no tax).

    Bottom line if you shop mail order smartly and avoid New York you can
save yourself some big $$ while mantaining a manufactures warranty along
with an affrodable localy servicable extended warranty.


Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,ba.market.computers,ba.market.misc,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale
From: edge@well.sf.ca.us (Christopher L. Seguine)
Subject: Killer VideoToaster System For Sale
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:22:05 GMT


For Sale:
Killer VideoToaster WorkStation System
--------------------------------------
* Amiga 2000 w/ Keyboard/Mouse/3.5" Drive
* Kickstart 2.0 in ROM
* WorkBench 2.1
* VideoToaster 2.01
* GVP G-Force 33mhz 68040 Accelerator
  (also gives you addtional Par & Ser ports)
* 16 Megs of 32-bit GVP 60 NS RAM
  (allows Burst Mode)
* MegaChip 2000 w/ 2-Meg Agnus
* Maxstore 200mb Hard Drive
* GVP Series II RAM/Scsi card w/ 8 Megs 16-bit RAM
* Kitchen Sync Dual TBC Card
* Kitchen Sync Genlock Option
* Kitchen Sync SVHS Option
* Additional ToasterFonts/3d Objects/Backgrounds/utilities/etc
* All in excellent condition
--------------------------------------------------------------
Package=            $7000

WILL NOT BREAK UP

email edge@well.sf.ca.us
phone Chris @ 415-227-0200
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: sanelli@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Chris Sanelli)
Subject: Anyone have a Super VHS player I can use???
Summary: Anyone have a Super VHS player I can use???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:44:41 GMT
Keywords: Super, VHS, player, use




Anyone have a Super VHS (SVHS) player?  I need to transfer 10 SVHS tapes
to VHS.  I'm willing to pay good money for the use of your player.

Please e-mail me at sanelli@symcom.math.uiuc.edu or call (217) 332-2404.

Thank you very much,

         Chris Sanelli
From: jkrutz@burner.com (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Supermac's DigitalFilm Video capture and export board
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:43:17 MST
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

I saw an early demo of the digitalfilm board and premier 2.0.  It was not a flawless demo, it was not the final unit, but it was impressive.  If they've worked the bugs out it would be on my list of nonlinear editing systems to consider.
 Later,
 -Jamie

--- Via UCI v1.17 (C-Net Amiga)

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: director@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Gaal)
Subject: Re: #*($&%U# Minolta Camcorder
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:45:15 GMT


By the way, I forgot to mention that earlier today I was shooting something
under ambient flourescent lighting.  There were a few items in the shot that
were red, and the floor was also kind of a dark red.  When I viewed the
footage, the red was SO noisy that it was virtually ungulating.  And there
wasn't that much of it on the screen but it bled terribly.  I have a little
video processor that I'm going to use to cut down on the chroma on the dub for
editing.
 
I know red is the worst color for video (I learned the the hard way over teh
summer shooting with the camera with an orange backdrop).  But I've never seen
it THIS noisy, and I've shot with several other cameras of varying cost and
technical sophistication.
 
Is this a problem specific to my camcorder, of this model, of Minoltas, or of
hi-8 in general?


Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: director@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Gaal)
Subject: Re: #*($&%U# Minolta Camcorder
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:40:12 GMT

By the way, I forgot to mention that earlier today I was shooting something
under ambient flourescent lighting.  There were a few items in the shot that
were red, and the floor was also kind of a dark red.  When I viewed the
footage, the red was SO noisy that it was virtually ungulating.  And there
wasn't that much of it on the screen but it bled terribly.  I have a little
video processor that I'm going to use to cut down on the chroma on the dub for
editing.
 
I know red is the worst color for video (I learned the the hard way over teh
summer shooting with the camera with an orange backdrop).  But I've never seen
it THIS noisy, and I've shot with several other cameras of varying cost and
technical sophistication.
 
Is this a problem specific to my camcorder, of this model, of Minoltas, or of
hi-8 in general?
From: mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: DVE services?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:02:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I've got a couple of SVHS tapes with LTC/VITC that I want
put on 1 tape side by side reduced in size.
Any suggestions on techniques or companies to do
this in the SF Bay area? How much will it cost/min?
Please let me know by email, thanks...

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From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: WJ-MX12 Titler input pin assignments
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:01:10 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

Every so often I see an ad in a magazine hawking either a box or a set
of modification instructions that will allow the MX12 to accept a full
video signal as a key signal.  I'm assuming the only real trick involved
is getting the pin assignments and signal requirements of the titler
input jack. Anyone have this information? 



-- 
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Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production,mi.wanted,misc.wanted
From: gilgalad@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: How do I get rid of interference ???!?!?!?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:23:07 GMT


Hi.  I have a fairly complicated setup (several computers, lots of
video and computer equipment, ...).  The result of all of this is that
I get interference and worse yet, it shows up on recordings.  I'm looking
for suggestions on getting rid of interference (short of throwing things
away ;)

		Thanks, Ralph
From: guenter@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian Guenter)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: More information on high quality JPEG compression
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:19:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Enough people have written asking for more information on the JPEG
compression boards I mentioned in a previous posting that I decided to post
the information. Others have already posted information about the Digital
Micronics board so I won't repeat that here. The two other companies I know
of that are producing high quality JPEG compression systems are Fast Forward
Video, (800) 755-8463, and Advanced Digital Imaging, (714) 725-0154. Both
are claiming Betacam SP video quality for their video systems. Fast Forward
Video claims to have measured 550 horizontal lines of relution with theieir
system at 15:1 compression. To the best of my knowledge none of these boards,
including that from Digital Micronics, is available yet but they should be
within several months.



-- 
Brian Guenter
College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332-0280
Internet: guenter@cc.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.production