From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: changing a newsgroup's moderator
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:18:57 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
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In article <l8giurINNhbc@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> (news.groups), duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>In article <0105011F.ar35d6@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com writes:
>>In article <l8e2qnINNf28@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> (news.groups), duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>>>In article <0105011F.ao8j6d@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug9.173955.22791@athena.mit.edu> (news.groups), jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:

>>But I forgot.  We are not allowed to use the word 'censor' when refering
>>to a person who is trying to prevent open discussion.  It's not Politically
>>Correct.
>
>What on earth does Political Correctness have to do with any of this, other
>than giving you yet one more irrelevant bugaboo to carp about? 

On the net, the word 'censor' is a hot button.  Saying that a person favours 
censorship is considered in about the same vein as using most insults
on the net.  It becomes no longer relevent whether or not person involved
was or was not practicing or attempting to practice some form of restriction
on free speach.  

In my oppinion, the act of advocating a system whereby a topic of discussion
must first go through an aproval process before it may be discussed,
especially when that aproval process is designed to prevent the aproval
(which I have tried to point out in other articles, and is not really
relevent here), constitutes censorship.  

I made the comment about PC-ness because due to the politics of the
situation, the word 'censor' is considered an epithet, and not a description
of a course of action.  Labeling someone a censor is a *bad thing*.

I think that the people who object to the use of the term are objecting
on the grounds of the PC-ness of the term, rather than its accuracy
in the situation at hand.

>														 (And since
>when do people who go out of their way to use invented non-gender-specific 
>third-person pronouns object to Political Correctness?)  :-)

Personally, I don't usually do things *BECAUSE* it is PC.

I got a good roasting a while back for using the male pronouns.  Actually,
I was alternating, one post using male, the next female, etc. (I think
watching someone change genders several times in one posting gets
confusing).  At the time, I promised that if someone could come up
with a set of non-gender-specific third-person pronouns that did not
involve significantly more typing (e.g. 'he or she, his or her, etc.
were out), that I would use them.  Someone did.  I use them.  So much
for ending pronoun flames :-)

>You weren't accused of Political Incorrectness.  You were accused (by 
>implication) of hypocrisy.  You indulged in a flurry of name calling and 
>shouting,

I wasn't shouting.  (e.g. putting entire sentances in ALL CAPS).

> and mere hours later you criticized the same opponent for name 
>calling and shouting.

My "name calling" was labling things as I saw them.  I saw actions
that looked like censorship, and I saw text that implied a moral judgement.
The moral judgement is not relevent to the topic at hand.  The censorship
was (at least I think that the actions advocated constitute censorship.
Your milage may vary.  But look at the arguments involved, not the
volitility of the terms).

"twit", et al, do not seem have such justifications.

I don't think that hypocracy was involved.

>Next:  Cory explains why the questionable performance of the r.a.e
>       moderator is a perfect example of the evils of Apartheid...

No, no no, you have it all wrong!  The performance of the r.a.e. moderator
is a perfect example of how man is destroying the environment!!!!

[yes, the above two lines *ARE* in jest]

+C


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Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
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