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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:38:44 -0400
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From:         "James A. Schaefer" <FACSCHAEFER@RIC.EDU>
Subject:      Additional E-Mail Comments

Re:  ACM and E-mail

Thanks to those of you who made comments about the need for a greater use
of e-mail by the ACM:
     Mike Schwartz
     Lillian Israel
     Daniel Faigin
     John R. Levine
     Mark Seiden
     Scott Boyd
     Mary Shaw

I would encourage anyone interested in exploring a membership service to
examine e-math provided by the American Mathematical Society.  It is
free of charge usless you need to pay for phone connections to a local
node.
     telnet  e-math.ams.com
     login:  e-math
     password:  e-math
     Terminal default type is VT-100, but there are other choices.

The warning at the beginning about unauthorized users may be intended
for hackers, but I doubt that would stop one.  The access informatiom
was published in the MAA Focus magazine, September 1991.

At the main menu, you will find Directory Information for the Combined
Membership List of the AMS, MAA, and SIAM, professional opportunities,
software, math reviews classification scheme, math reviews submission,
document delivery, suggestion box, AMS Meetings, Bulletin of the AMS,
Directory of Lists, Help.

Its been in operation since October 1990 and is partially funded by an
NSF grant which may explain why it is still free.  An Internet connection
is required.

I haven't used the ACM Network Project and would be interested in any
comparisons between the ACM offerings and the AMS services.  Although I do know
the AMS does not act as a mail server, i.e., provide a mailbox service.
However, the AMS model seems to be a very good one to me, and since NSF is
involved, much of the developed software may be available (I don't know for
sure) for others to use.  It would be a shame to reinvent the e-mail "wheel" if
this model is usable.

Repeating, telnet e-math.ams.com
           telnet 130.44.1.100

login and password are  e-math

To access CML name look-up service, use the main menu or type
     telnet 130.44.1.100 2050   (unix hosts)
     telnet 130.44.1.100/port=2050  (vms hosts)

If you need someone to look up, try:
Schaefer  James  State:  RI   Membership:  MAA   or
Sammet Jean  State:  MD   Institution:  IBM   Membership:  MAA   or
Aho Alfred    State: NJ   Institution:  Bellcore  Membership:  SIAM

For additional information, send e-mail to: support@e-math.ams.com
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|  James A. Schaefer                Internet:  FacSchaefer @ ric.edu   |
|  Math & Computer Science Dept     BitNet:    JAS @ RICVM             |
|  Rhode Island College             Phone:     (401) 456-9758          |
|  Providence, RI 02908-1991                            -8038          |
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm,uiuc.acm
From: pye@enel.ucalgary.ca (Steven Pye)
Subject: Re: Programming Contest?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:54:48 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Followup-To: rom.tcpl.ucalgary.ca

In article <1992Sep26.141830.12315@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> stangel@sparc8.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
>When is the student programming contest this year?  We've got a number
>of people itching to sign up...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike

ditto on above, but this one is kinda complicated.  Despite what it say's above
I'm a co-op form the University of Waterloo, and there are a lot of us (
in particular, a chunk of my streams programming contest team members) out
west this term.  I was wondering if it would be possible for us to 
enter a team for fun in the North West (our "real" team will be entering
in the normal east-central, or what ever it is).  The team members are
working in seattle (I'm an exception and only a team flunky anyways).
Who do I get in contact with in this region to beg our way in?

thanks
ed bourne
rom.tcpl.ucalgary.ca - work
descartes.uwaterloo.ca - school
From: chrisg@sdg.dra.com
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Resume Database
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:39:33 CDT
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO


	Can anyone tell me how I would send a resume into the ACM resume
database?

Thanks,
Chris Gund
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:48:44 TUR
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From:         "A. Tevfik Inan" <TEVFIK@TRYILDIZ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Subscription problems
              25 Sep 1992 12:21:50 -0400 from <CSCRDW%CURIE@EPAVAX>

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 12:21:50 -0400 Ron Whittle said:
>> Whenever you have a problem with your membership and/or subscriptions, please
>> contact the ACM Member Services Department at ACMHELP@ACMVM.BITNET.  If you
>> wish to call, the phone # is (212) 626-0500, and the fax # is (212) 944-1318.
>
>I have sent these people multiple messages regarding problems with my
>subscriptions, and have received no response.  I'm still trying, though.
>

We have a similar problem . One of my frieds  is still wait for a response
to his (1,5 month old) e-mail ..

I hope that every thing is going well there ||   8-(((

A.Tevfik Inan
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:29:09 -0400
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From:         "James A. Schaefer" <FACSCHAEFER@RIC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Machine that changed the world

Re:  Taping PBS programs

I would like to know if there is some special permission that can be obtained
in writing for ACM groups, we're an institutional member, to copy ACM shows?

A recent note from Blanche Cohen of Denver University said "each local Group is
allowed to tape the show direct from the PBS show for use as long as we do NOT
charge."

Our audio-visual / TV services will tape a PBS program to show ONCE in a
single class, and the tape is erased at the end of 30 days.  Following
the 1978 copyright law, "the television center will record off-air and make
available to the College community only those programs for which permission
to copy has been obtained by law or otherwise.  Under existing copyright
law, these routinely include:   ... programs which are demonstrably otherwise
not available for purchase or rental; programs or portions of programs the
use of which qualify for "Fair Use" classification under the copyright law."

We were NOT able to have TV personnel tape the recent 5-part program
partially sponsored by the ACM!  Some faculty made personal copies but
the TV Center would not reproduce them.  If they knew we were to show one
of those particular episodes in class from a faculty copy, I'm sure
they would not deliver the equipment to do so!

I'm a firm believer in intellectual property rights as they pertain to
printed and electronic forms of expression, but if we have a right as
an institutional member of the ACM to reproduce and show these programs,
I want to know and want said permission in writing (e-mail doesn't come
on a letter head)!

Comments and help requested.
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|  James A. Schaefer                Internet:  FacSchaefer @ ric.edu   |
|  Math & Computer Science Dept     BitNet:    JAS @ RICVM             |
|  Rhode Island College             Phone:     (401) 456-9758          |
|  Providence, RI 02908-1991                            -8038          |
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:22:14 -0400
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From:         "James A. Schaefer" <FACSCHAEFER@RIC.EDU>
Subject:      Copying PBS programs

This is another follow-up to copying PBS video programs off-air.

"The 45-day rule":  As a faculty member, you may copy a PBS program
                    and show to a class within ten (10) days of the
original airing.  You, yourself, may continue to view it personally
for up to forty-five (45) days following the original airing after
which it must be erased.

One of our faculty has a letter from PBS telling him they could not
give permission to copy the ACM programs.  He was referred to another
organization (not ACM) which told him he could NOT copy them but no
letter followed.

If you're showing these videos from off-air taping, you are very
likely violating the copyright laws.  Either erase them, or be very
quiet about your activities.  It's not consistent to teach respect of
intellectual property rights, e.g., "don't plagiarize papers, programs,
data files," "don't copy protected software even if its only protection
is a warning on the label," and then use illegally copied videos in
the classroom!

If the laws are not acceptable, work to change them.  There are
certainly widely held opinions in this area.  The ACM could
work to make these videos available to members at reduced cost if
this is not already possible.

Thank you.
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|  James A. Schaefer, Assoc. Prof.  Internet:  FacSchaefer @ ric.edu   |
|  Math & Computer Science Dept     BitNet:    JAS @ RICVM             |
|  Rhode Island College             Phone:     (401) 456-9758          |
|  Providence, RI 02908-1991                            -8038          |
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From: mtayler@pilot.njin.net (Mark Tayler)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: New ACM Chapter
Keywords: ACM
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:33:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Could someone send me info on how to 
create a new ACM chapter at a community college.

We have some interest here and need to 
know how to start a chapter.

Any help would be appreciated.


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From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)
Subject: Re:      Mastering Internet Tools
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:20:15 GMT

In article <63921001135036/0004234003NA2EM@mcimail.com>,         Gelson V Gomes <0004234003@MCIMAIL.COM> writes:
|> Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power
|> The InterMeta Course

 . . .
 
|>   Cordially,
|>   Gelson Gomes

All very interesting...   BUT WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ACM?!!!
-- 

...Russ Schnapp
BIX: rschnapp           Email: uunet!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@metaflow.com
Metaflow Technologies   Voice: 619/452-6608x230;  FAX: 619/452-0401
La Jolla, California    Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself!
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:18:00 BSC
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From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
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Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Subject: Re: membership into DECUS
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 16:34:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Distribution: world,local
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <3OCT199207015430@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>, kaplan@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (RayK) writes:
>
>In the U.S. Chapter, there is an exception.  If your name is Kevin Mitnick
>- you are not allowed to join - this by board fiat.  As far as I know, he
>is the only one to be embargoed from membership in the world, but I do keep
>expecting to someone to tell me that I'm not an acceptable member, either
>;)
>
>RayK 8)

Now now, it's only because they decided to enforce the Canons of Conduct for
DECUS members... 

Wait til they start frisking people at non-disclosures for tape recorders and
hidden microphones.

                 Play in the intelluctual sandbox of Usenet 

  -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --
From: jareed@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judith Ann Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Regional Mini-Conference in Central N.Y.
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:17:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Syracuse University

The Central N.Y. Local Users Group would like to announce our 5th annual 
All-Day Meeting, to be held November 17, 1992 at the Carousel Center, Syracuse, N.Y. This meeting consists of 2 streams, each consisting of 4 sessions, of 
one hour presentations on topics of interest to DEC equipment users. The theme
of this year's conference is "The Future Of Computing" and topics include:

	ALPHA
	Windows NT on ALPHA
	Internetworking and Network Monitoring
	FDDI
	Executive Information Systems and 4GLS
	Data Management on MUMPS
	AI
	RAID - Redundant Array of Independent Disks

We will also have a demonstration area where both current and historical 
Digital technologies can be examined. 

Cost of the conference is $22.50 for pre-registration (prior to Nov. 6) or
$25 at the door. This fee includes a buffet luncheon. For more information 
or a registration form, contact:

	Judith Reed
	CNYLUG chairperson
	judith@suhep.phy.syr.edu
	jareed@rodan.acs.syr.edu
	(315)443-5995

If you are in the Central NY area on November 17th, I hope we will see you 
there!

Judith Reed
CNYLUG chair
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Subject: Re: membership into DECUS
From: kaplan@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (RayK)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 07:01 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
Keywords: DECUS membership restrictions
Summary: DECUS membership
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <6294@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, A.C.Arnold@mcc.ac.uk writes...
> 
>Of course, this only works if you want to join the US Chapter of DECUS, for
>other Chapters, you will need to contact the local Chapter office and ask
>for a membership form.
>Tony Arnold,
>DECUS Europe SIG Council Chairman.

Tony,

In the U.S. Chapter, there is an exception.  If your name is Kevin Mitnick
- you are not allowed to join - this by board fiat.  As far as I know, he
is the only one to be embargoed from membership in the world, but I do keep
expecting to someone to tell me that I'm not an acceptable member, either
;)

RayK 8)
From: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: membership into DECUS
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:56:14 GMT
Reply-To: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)

csa@cop.portal.com asked how to become a member of DECUS:

For the US Chapter (US residents),  those of us on internet need only
send in a request for such information to 

information@decus.org

Glad to have you ask! I forwarded your request to the inernet address.

Marg Knox
DECUS US, President
From: fredv@abba.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Subject: Re: TEI - The new changes...... what gives?
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:38:09 GMT

In article <7513@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) writes:
>
>I was wondering what everyone's reaction was to the upcoming
>changes in the TEI structure. I saw in an info-vax post that
>DEC is planning to completely revamp the TEI charging
>structure. In particular, the following charging structure
>will be implemented:
>
>The cost of administering the CSLG could no
>longer be borne by DEC and that the CSLG prices would be
>increased to $100 per PAK for 1993, $200 per PAK for 1994 and $500 per
>PAK after that, along with a $500 fee per change to the CSLG agreement.
>  
>Now, it seems to me that a number of educational sites
>will be forced to seriously reconsider future expansion plans
>with DEC equipment since this new pricing scheme will basically
>destroy DEC's educational software advantages over another
>vendor like SUN.
>
>Any comments?
>
>	-Randy Marchany
>	VA Tech Computing Center
>	Blacksburg, VA
>
>Internet: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu

That pricing schedule was mentioned by a user in Australia, not the U.S.
Usually DEC has been kinder to U.S. campuses, than overseas, so I don't
see the same pricing implemented over here.

I've heard rumors that CSLG might not be free in the future, but the
fees I've heard mentioned are based on number of systems, similar to
the ESL fee structure, and turn out to be much less than $100 per pak
considering number of PAKs involved in the current CSLG.

Of course I wish CSLG would remain free, especially since ESL is so
expensive now.

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
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Subject: DEC and small suppliers
From: kaplan@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (RayK)
Date: 26 Sep 1992 11:02 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
Keywords: DEC, DECUS, small suppliers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

On and off over the last decade, I have been a small supplier of products
and services to DEC.  A former consulting partner summed the nature of this
relationship as being like sleeping with an elephant when you are a mouse. 
We always imagined a small mouse perched tenuously on the edge of a big bed
on which a huge elephant was sprawled.  The mouse has bloodshot eyes since
it is not getting any sleep in anticipation of the elephant rolling over
and crushing it.

In 1991, I organized a DECUS session around this topic and version 1 of it
was presented at the 1991 Spring Symposia in Atlanta.  This session
featured war storied and commentary from Jim Ebright (Software Results of
IBM interconnect fame), Bob Denny (Alisa Systems - of Pathworks fame) and
me (Ray Kaplan of training and consulting fame).  We had a great hour
telling everyone what it was like to be a small supplier to DEC and making
comments on the ebb and flow of DEC's relationship with its third party
suppliers over the years.  Bob and I were in Atlanta at the session and I
presented my interview with Jim over the phone since he could not be there
in person.  I think that it went very well.  A transcription and an audio
tape are available if you want one.

The 1 hour Sleeping With The Elephant session is again scheduled for the
upcoming Fall, 1992 DECUS U.S. Chapter in Las Vegas.  I am again soliciting
participants to help me tell people how to do business with DEC.  Tales of
both positive and negative experiences are welcome.  Well thought out
commentary on the overall directions and demeanor of DEC and its
relationship to small suppliers is desired.  Here is the abstract of the
session:

So, you have had an interesting time being a customer of Digital Equipment
Corporation?  Being a Digital supplier is much more complicated and fraught
with many special problems.  This panel discussion of small suppliers of
services and products to Digital will discuss the problems of how to
survive when doing business with Digital as well as how to capitalize on
the inherent opportunities.

If you are interested in helping with this session - either as a live
participant or having me present your points of view or stories, please
contact me:

Ray Kaplan
P.O. Box 42650
Tucson, AZ  85733-2650
FAX (602) 791-3325
(602) 323-4606
Internet: kaplan@mis.arizona.edu
BITNET: KAPLAN@ARIZMIS

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From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen)
Subject: Re: TEI - The new changes...... what gives?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:43:51 EDT

In article  marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) writes:
>...(I heard)...DEC is planning to completely revamp the TEI charging...
>... CSLG prices would be
>increased to $100 per PAK for 1993, $200 per PAK for 1994 and $500 per
>PAK after that, along with a $500 fee per change to the CSLG agreement.

>...destroy DEC's educational software advantages over another
>vendor like SUN.

You know, DEC just hasn't figured out that the real winner of the battle
will be the one with the largest installed base.  This battle will be
won on the desktop, not the computer room.  SInce the future is probably
in the battle of the desktop, the whole program was stupid from begining 
to end.  Look at budget center in a educational environment.  This is either
a individual or a department.  They will be using __Station type equipment.
At my site, I've had to pay about $ 500 a year already for software packages
that cost about $ 1000 total, and without a single page of documentation.
They are bound to shoot themselves in the right foot, then the left.

However, in comparison to SUN, they haven't done a lot worse.  SUN loves to
give or bundle products for free, then after the educational market basically
does the advanced beta testing, and gets the product working, they unbundle 
it and make it payware.

\\al\\
From: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: TEI - The new changes...... what gives?
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:46:18 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


I was wondering what everyone's reaction was to the upcoming
changes in the TEI structure. I saw in an info-vax post that
DEC is planning to completely revamp the TEI charging
structure. In particular, the following charging structure
will be implemented:

The cost of administering the CSLG could no
longer be borne by DEC and that the CSLG prices would be
increased to $100 per PAK for 1993, $200 per PAK for 1994 and $500 per
PAK after that, along with a $500 fee per change to the CSLG agreement.
  
Now, it seems to me that a number of educational sites
will be forced to seriously reconsider future expansion plans
with DEC equipment since this new pricing scheme will basically
destroy DEC's educational software advantages over another
vendor like SUN.

Any comments?

	-Randy Marchany
	VA Tech Computing Center
	Blacksburg, VA

Internet: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu