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From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: The Pope se...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:49:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I wanted to ask this before someone else did.

It was reported today in the paper that Pope John Paul II sez that "in heaven 
there is no sex." and that the residence don't miss it because"they are like
angels"

There is no sex, and I have heard earlier that there is no beer in heaven. 

Why do they call it Heaven?

Ben Gibson (on the lookout for sin to avoid such a place.)
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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154808.11574@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.202455.13717@udel.edu> litterst@tuttifrutti.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>>Thanks,Mike.  But it gets worse (or better)  The system I'm on is named 
>>"freezer" and as such, all of the workstaions (like pecan) are named after
>>flavors of ice cream.  I'm on tuttifrutti, now.  Any flavor requests?  I'll
>>provide the ice cream...
>>
>BBQ-ripple, of course!!!!  (-8
>
>(That's almost as weird as some of the machine/printer names around 
> here....)
>
	BBQ-Ripple?  You're charging the net hundreds (if not thousands) of
dollars to request _that_?  |-) I'll try, but I don't think we have a station
named after something that obscure.  If I can't find it, can I get you some-
thing else? *wink*  
	
Have a good one. ;-}  *HUG!*

							Steve

-- 
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| c/o Stephen C. Litterst       |                 always at their best.  | 
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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.202455.13717@udel.edu> litterst@tuttifrutti.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>Thanks,Mike.  But it gets worse (or better)  The system I'm on is named 
>"freezer" and as such, all of the workstaions (like pecan) are named after
>flavors of ice cream.  I'm on tuttifrutti, now.  Any flavor requests?  I'll
>provide the ice cream...
>
BBQ-ripple, of course!!!!  (-8

(That's almost as weird as some of the machine/printer names around 
 here....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
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From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Altruism (was: two men)
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:03:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.044921.25977@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>As an undergrad, I was encouraged to be a philosphy
>major, because I did quite well in a class.  I considered it for 
>awhile, but then decided that, while I was interested in 'searching
>for the truth' [whatever that really means] and other common 
>philosophical quests, I wasn't that interested in getting into
>the seemingly testosterone-laden logic fights  ('my logic can beat 
>up your logic' type of thing).  My question to those involved in
>this thread is first: is this your experience? and second: why does
>this happen?  (Muffy, it sounds like your class is going beyond
>western philosopy so maybe you haven't observed it in your class.)
>
Ugh!  You've said it!  Try a philosophy job interview for an extreme
example of this.  My pet peeve in philosophy is the "I don't understand
your argument" ploy, where the person pretends that they don't understand
you because your argument was too vague.  Really they do understand you,
they're just pretending to be a computer that needs every semi-colon in
the right place.  When I get enough nerve, I'll ask such a person if they
have any idea which line of code has the bug in it.

>Ellen
>(Whose experiences are never adaquately described by logic anyway.)

- Heather
  who is looking forward to be shreaded by logical cat-claws if she gets
  any job interviews.
-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Colorado's Amendment #2
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:59:11 GMT

era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold) writes:
>What can one say about a visit to Colorado?  That should be simple.
>By and large, Aspen/Boulder/Denver/Durango can be trusted, though it
>never hurts to check.  The rest of Colorado cannot be trusted, and
>the simple question of an inn or shop owner, "Did you vote yes on
>Amendment #2", should provide (assuming honesty) the information that
>is needed to make a choice about where to place one's dollars when
>visiting.

	Wait a minute..... earlier on you said that people lied
to pollsters about whether they were for/against CO:2, and suggested
that this may have led to people thinking it was going to fail when
it didn't.

	Now you're expecting people to answer truthfully when you're
holding out a wad of bills to them????   Dream on.

	If anyone in CO wants $$$ I have control over (which is
essentially zero anyway) they will have to show pre-11/3 PROOF
that they did something to stop CO:2.  Anything said now is hot air.
No place, not even Boulder went 0/100 for CO:2.

	While you talk about the "two Colorados", and I understand
what you mean, CO:2 does affect BOTH.  It's up to the non-hating
Colorado to rear up and scream for justice.  Finger-pointing
isn't going to matter at all when discrimination strikes our community
and we are prevented from seeking justice, be it in Colo.Springs or
in Boulder.  The law cuts just the same.

	Instead of trying to talk the boycotters out of withholding
*their* $$$, why don't you try to get more $$$ out of the Fundies to
make up for the difference?  Then donate part of it to getting CO:2
repealed.  Seems to me that they're being let off the hook... now that
they've convinced you to discriminate shouldn't they have the 
responsibility to make CO's economy stable?

	I'm sure they won't be so ready to give out their $$$.
Point that out to the people of Colorado and you'll probably be
most of the way to an overturn.


BBC
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From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Yet another thing that I wrote...
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Reply-To: kdc5072@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:29:59 GMT

...that I hope some of my fellow netters (those who post and those who
do not) will like... (note: it is set up to be printed...just as a
warning)

*hugs* to all...."Let It Snow, Let it snow, let it snow..."

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
*** cut here ***

                                   MASKS


	From the time that I was in my early teens, and realized that I was
expected to act a certain way, until a year or so ago, I was a mask wearer.

	Now if you ask my parents, they will tell you that I never wore a mask
that they can remember, and if you are talking about the mundane, put on
your head type of mask, they would not be lying.

	But, if you are talking about that type of mask which is not noticeable
except by those who know you better than you know yourself, and who see you
in many different environments, well, that is another story.

	You see, I wore more masks than I can count from the teens on until
recently.  What was the reason for all the masks?

	Well, it was like this.  You see, I didn't want people to see me as me,
mostly because I didn't think they would accept me.  Now this is a normal
concern of teens, but like some other things, it didn't feel right to me.

	As a result, I took to wearing masks in school, at home, at work, with
friends, and with enemies.  Each of these were different style masks, and I
say with some pride that I was getting rather good at changing masks
rapidly.

	But as time went on, and I grew up, my masks got more complex.  I also
had to change them more rapidly throughout the day.

	This got very tiresome, and I soon became sick of wearing the masks
that told people that I was what they wanted me to be.  This felt wrong to
me, but what was I to do?

	It finally reached a point where I could stand the masks no more.  I
decided that I would be me, for me.  Not act like someone that I wasn't
just to please someone else.

	With this decision came the responsibility of doing what I had to do to
be me.  This was more than just doing what I wanted, but also taking
responsibility for it.  I would no longer hide behind a mask and let the
mask take the blame, it was me or nothing.

	I did this, not because someone told me it was right, rather, because 
I knew it was right.

	So my question is this:

		Are you wearing a mask that someone wants you to wear?  







"MASKS" is copyright (c) 1992 by Kevin Colagio


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From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:30:50 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <1e91v0INNb8v@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

->
->Name:           Good Vibrations
->Number:         (415) 974-8980

As I said, I believe this was the number for their store number.  The
catalog order number (AKA the mail order number) is, allegedly, (415)
550-0827

-roy
-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: No subject
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.154237.11411@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <memo.759309@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>| When I grow up, I want to give up being   |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
>>| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
     cix.compulink.uucp - no way clive!

>(Recent subtle change to my .sig due to someone pointing out that
>the Powers That Be might not be happy about my including my American
>e-mail address....)

Duh wot?  No way!  Tell us more!

G
-- 
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From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: t-shirt logo (cheap)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:33:27 GMT

In <BxsDuK.KBy@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>Spotted a good t-shirt today in a mass-market store: my boyfriend went to
>London and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.  Subtle, I thought :)

That reminds me...

I saw a black humour t-shirt the other day on sale in Virgin. It has a
picture of one man accepting a cigarette from another and saying "You
could get run over by a bus tomorrow so stop worrying and have a fag."
(Fag is a slang term over here for cigarette.)


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:49:54 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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In article <1992Nov16.233755.24220@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male) writes:
|> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
|> 
|> >I know that an ad hominem argument is not valid.  I also know that one
|> >was not *used*.  In logic terms, Mike was pointing out that you were
|> >operating from the premise that the world works the same way for
|> >everyone as it does for "white males."  Both of us have disputed this
|>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [Oh, and how is that?]
|> >premise (I did so in the article you are responding to here), but you
|> >have not responded to that as yet.
|> 
|> I do not believe that it is worth a response.  You can count me out of this
|> discussion, since I'm suspected of being a male caucasian and anything I say
|> will be explained away as being a result of what are popularly believed on
|> soc.bi to be my skin color and genitalia, regardless of the kind of life I've
|> had to live or what I've been through or how I've come to my conclusions.
|> 
|> So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.
Well said, IMO, and a good "period" to this anoying thread!
Am I white, too, people?!
Guess so.... since I agree with sconely.
js
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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:57:30 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Nov17092232@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>It's funny...I know a lot of people think that no one objects to
>mixed-sex PDAs, [ ... ]
>
Hmmm, I know this isn't the case.  A while ago (back when I was attached)
a group of us were round at a very straight friend's room watching a film,
during the course of which he objected to the motos couple in the "audience"
kissing, but said nothing about myself and my motss SO (OK, so we were
being a bit more low-key, but....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Yet another thing that I wrote...
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:48 GMT

(This is a bit chaotic -- it was written from the bottom upwards....)

In article <1992Nov19.180702.935@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.170425.19899@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>> [ ... ]  That there is a real you -- something more than the masks
>> presented for the benefit of others?  Would you dare to try and 
>> remove the masks if you believed/knew this to be the case (I can't)?
>
>Basically, my experience is that this *can* come together of its own accord
>if you relax a bit and see what happens. Just find the mask that makes you
>happiest and wear it - it's probably your real personality, trying to get
>out.
>
But there isn't just one mask -- which one is most comfortable depends
on the situation (see the original posting).  Even if it were possible
to find a single situation and mask which could be carried to all the
others, I have severe doubts that it would be a/the "genuine personality"
-- I'm not sure that even exists (see above and below) -- merely the
most robust.  Part of the point is that the mask *prevents* the self
from showing (see below).

While Kevin writes:
>Ahhh...but by recognizing that you are wearing a mask, that shows that
>there is something inside, and that something is the 'you' as you see
>you...(did I lose ya there?  almost lost me...)
>
>The masks are not always there to benefit others.  Sometimes they are 
>there to make life easier on the wearer.  And if this is the case, there
>may be reasons not to remove them.  
>
I'm not quite sure what to say here.  Firstly, I disagree with the analysis
that if I can recognise a mask, the thing doing the recognition must be
something *other* than a mask.  I can look in a mirror and see a mask --
if I remove it, will there be anything behind?  Another mask perhaps?

On the other hand, a mask may certainly protect the wearer.  It could 
well be what they started out as -- a shield, to protect the vulnerable
self from the hardships of the world.  Except that over the years, the
real self has never seen the light of day, always hidden by the layers
of masks, and, for all I know, has atrophied to the point of non-
existence.  That it pleases others to see the mask may just be a way
of making the *mask* less vulnerable to attack.

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:02:13 GMT

In article <BxtF1z.CtI@newcastle.ac.uk>, J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
> >I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
> >opinions about.
> 
> I'm afraid if you believe it should be legal, that's a political opinion.
> Everything is political. You can't escape having political opinions. That
> isn't the same as being politically motivated.

It *is* legal (more or less). I have liberal/permissive political opinions,
sure, but I don't bring specifics into it - I wouldn't campaign
*specifically* for liberal attitudes to sexuality, for example. I wouldn't
campaign, full stop. My only campaignings have been a) League for
Programming Freedom, because I don't see enough being done, and I got landed
in it, b) stopping Cambridge Student Union expressing political opinions about
the Gulf War. Ironically, the latter rather illustrates my stance on
politicising LBG issues...
 
> It's fine with me not to be politically motivated (if rather sad in this
> sort of society), but to deny the importance of politics, I just can't
> agree with.

I don't deny it, I just seek to minimise it.

> > OK, so there are prejudicial bits of legislation out there, but
> >I know plenty of heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as lesbigays, but
> >are put off by political hackery from supporting the cause.
> 
> Are you saying we shouldn't dare take action against the prejudicial bits of
> legislation in case it's seen as political hackery?

"Action"? Deliberately seeking to confront people ("Kiss ins", tying pink
balloons to lampposts, etc.) is something I resent, as I see it turning people
off to lesbigay. Going through normal political channels, I don't mind, although
I haven't the energy for.

> Labelling any kind of political activism as hackery sounds to me like a
> cop-out to excuse yourself from following your conscience and getting
> involved. In any case there are other ways to be active besides what you
> see as "hackery".

I'll vote. I'll lend vocal or written support to total equality in law for
non-heterosexuals. I'll support less restrictive laws on sexuality in general.
Doing much more than that is not for me, and I certainly don't see that it's
my responsibility to do it, any more than it's my responsibility to become an
activist against any other legislation I dislike.

Besides, governments don't listen to vocal minorities. Going for genuine
support and sympathy from a broad base in the population, rather than going at
the government aggressively is more likely to be noticed.

--Clive.
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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: _Making Love_
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:29:45 GMT

In article <1ebuj9INNqh9@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>
>I hadn't pressed this subject since my original post (demuffining post, indeed,
>sob sob sob) received absolutely no attention whatsoever ...
>
AHHH!!! I am *so* ashamed. HUGS HUGS HUGS.
Oh I can't believe I was so lax.
LICKS.
GROPES.
GRINDS.:)
I hope it makes it better.
>js


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
From: GA.SMF@forsythe.stanford.edu (  s s moore-fuller)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: help needed
Date: 22 Nov 1992 20:05:12 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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Help!  I seem to vaguely remember someone mentioning a usenet board
on triads, or three way relationships.  But I can't seem to find it.
Can anyone help?  Email is preferred -- I can't afford logging on
long enough to read everything at the moment.

thanks bunches!

stephanie

ga.smf@forsythe.stanford.edu
ga.smf@STANFORD.BITNET
euclid@lindy.stanford.edu
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