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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Why was Tanya printed around the world
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:35:07 GMT
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In article <1992Aug27.192229.1@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi> htoyryla@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>
>The bi-lingual edition of Tanya from 1981 includes a list
>of Dfusei Tanya, or the printings of Tanya. On the list there
>are editions printed in most major cities of the whole world,
>during the Jewish years 5738 and 5739. I would be interested
>in hearing more about why the book was printed in almost
>every country in the world.
>
>Hannu

The worldwide printing of Tanya, though not really needing
justification (any more than the printing and translation of any
important work, from Torah through Shulchan Aruch to, l'havidil,
Shakespeare, etc.) is in fulfillment of the answer Moshiach gave to
the Baal Shem Tov, when asked, "When will the Master come?" The reply:
"When your Wellsprings spread forth."


David Kaufmann
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Oldest Culture?
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:18:15 GMT

In article <92245.201230CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
<CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.231401.10801@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, memco@cns.nyu.edu says:

>>        The person posting asserted that the Chinese culture was
>>the oldest still around. Wouldn't that actually be either the Jewish
>>or Zoroastrian cultures?

>Actually the poster is probably right. If Jewish culture was older than
>Chinese culture, that would mean that the earliest Jews had to get
>along without Chinese food.

>This, of course, is clearly impossible, as a visit to any Jewish neighborhood
>will readily make apparent.

I wonder if this means that Yiddish language/culture predates both.  After
all, where does the term "hoq a Chinik" come from?
-- 
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Reply-To: ask@cblph.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.025528.21067@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum) writes:
>In article <92239.113903CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ToraByte <CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>> Kiddush is a type of sanctification. However, it's not the same. Hashem was
>>the one who sanctified the day (see Bereishis 2:3). In a sense, our 'kiddush'
>>is an acknowledgement and recreation of that kiddush that Hashem made. The
>>type of 'kiddush' that is not permitted is originating a 'kiddush' that didn't
>>exist before.
>
>Could you supply a source for the above explanation. I'm pretty sure
>the reason that I learned had to do with the kinyan nature of kidushin,
>as mentioned by several other posters. 

In "The Jewish Way in Love and Marriage" Rabbi Maurice Lamm gives
only one reason for prohibiting marriages on Shabbat:  it is
prohibited to enter into a formal agreement, either written or
oral, on Shabbat.

He also says Maimonides prohibited marriages on Friday afternoon and
Sunday,  because they were too close to Shabbat.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Shofar stinks - Help
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:33:59 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

The Shofar being used for a Mizwah, may I suggest to open a competition for a
word  better fitted than "stink" to describe the problem?
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From: amarkel@encore.com (Arieh Markel)
Subject: Re: Mac David
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:45:21 GMT

<EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <Bu0DMH.7s9@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S.
>Nusbacher) says:
>>
>>In much of Pennsylvania it's called a Gyro, even when served in a Lebanese
>>restaurant.

>To somebody's question as to "is shawarma the same as gyros," there's your
>answer.

I beg to differ with the assertion that Gyros is shawarma.

First, the gyros does not have the meat inserted into the pita, but has the
pita rolled around the bread.

Second, the greek restaurants/stands do not offer tehina to put in the
gyros, but some other sauce, I assume milk or yogourt based.

For all those who still think that gyros and shawarma is the same, you
probably do not remember what a shawarma looks or tastes like ;-)

Arieh
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: KILL MUGABE?
Keywords: anti-semitism
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:00:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.154803.202503@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>Wipe out all anti-semites!!!

You know something, I don't think you're even really Jewish.
--
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the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mac David
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:28:26 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
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In article <92246.222444EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
->Has anyone ever tried shwarma (sp?).  Well, I can spell it in hebrew but not
->in English.  But then, if you know what it is, you'll recognize it.
->If you don't know: it's lamb meat (I think) on this metal "stick," rotating
->around (vertically) with a flame around it.
->
->It looks disgusting, but tastes great!
->
-> Eylon

Is there any difference between shwarma and gyros (the Greek version)?

Brian Sutin				sutin@helios.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
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    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
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From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Re: Goggle Moggle (was Re: Egg Creams)
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:13:41 GMT

In article <92Aug21.032854.22038@acs.ucalgary.ca> kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:
>... bub making something called 'goggle moggle'.  Not sure if
>that is an official name or her own term.  It involved boiling
>milk with an egg in it, adding vanila extract and other stuff.
>When I first saw the header 'egg cream' I thought that it was
>equivalent to 'goggle moggle'.  Deciding to read the postings, I
>was suprised with the use of seltzer.  Am I alone on this one, or
>are there supporters.  Maybe there are two 'egg creams': A) the
>official egg cream that you mention and B) my bub's egg cream.


Goggle Moggle has nothing to do with egg cream.  And the way you make
it is with *raw* egg not cooked.  My parents used to make it with
sugar instead of Vanila.  It's believed to cure/ease/sooth/ sore
throats.  Didn't taste bad, but I couldn't stomach the idea of eating
raw egg...

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From: klfirestein@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: weddings on Saturday???
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: klfirestein@OCTAVO

So... what do I know - and what do you know???

I think that weddings are NOT supposed to take place on Shabbat?

But  ---   why??

And... do Reform allow them and if so - how and why???

AND... if not??? Can a Reform or other congregation allow their
grounds... (not their sanctuary) to be used for a wedding...

And... if so - can it be done where either of the parties to the wedding
are Jewish - or perhaps where neither of the parties to the wedding are
Jewish - or where both parties to the wedding are Jewish??

This is all notwithstanding the participation of a Rabbi..

This comes from noting that a wedding took place on the grounds of our
Temple.... with one party Jewish.... without the Rabbi conducting the 
ceremony - under a Chuppa or something like one... and in the middle
of the afternoon on Shabbat... 

So.... I wonder? 
While obviously any and all CAN be done.... what are some folks thoughts
and what kind of responses would people recommend - from my leaving and 
finding another Temple... to - what??? (what if there was always something
going on on Shabbat - all day... such as my always staying on the grounds 
and/or in the building - studying or napping, etc...)

Help!

Ken Firestein
Davis, CA
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Crowley's Signifigance
Keywords: SS logo
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:57:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Someone posted that the SS logo was taken from two lameds.  I'm sure that there
are MANY possibilities as to what they are and why they were chosen.  For 
example, in a presentation about Satanism, a Christian group on campus here
claimed that the SS logo was lightning bolts.  They then linked this to a 
passage in the New Testament about Satan falling from heaven like lightning.
This was to show that the SS/Nazis were in league with the devil (Satan).
Anyway, the point of that story (?), was simply that there are probably many
different explanations of the logo.  It may be a worthwhile discussion, but it
might be quite a lengthy one too.
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:29:35 +0000


> +From         : goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
> 
> GREAT, now it begins to be really interesting.
> 1-Have you any way to ask the Beth Israel Rabbi in Schenectady where his
> statement is taken from? I am **NOT** asking ironically but very seriously,
> we begin to reach the root of the issue. 
> 2-About the Art Scroll Siddur, same question. Is there any reference to the
> Halachah which you quote? What is the source?


I recall seing both these brought in Shulchan Aruch; I'll check out
the references.


> Again, I really wish to LEARN, no biting in my questions.

It's sad that we have reached the point where a question is asked and
the questioner feels it might be taken the wrong way, rather than in
the spirit of pure enquiry and the seeking after knowledge.

Shabbat Shalom.



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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Joke
Originator: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:11:23 GMT

If Jesus was Jewish, then how come he had a Mexican name?    


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From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:36:42 GMT

In <memo.607842@cix.compulink.co.uk> stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips) writes:

>In-Reply-To: <2509@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)

>> +From         : warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
>> 
>> I've also seen shuls where the Rabbi always says Kaddish.  In one I
>> saw that he had a box of index cards containing Yartzheits in date
>> order so that if no one showed up to say Kaddish for a person who had
>> Yartzheit that day, the Rabbi would have the person for whom Kaddish
>> should be recited in mind when he said Kaddish.

>I've just returned from a visit to Schenectady N.Y. and the Rabbi of
>the Orthodox Shul (Congegation Beth Israel) told me that he was asked
>by his members to say Kaddish if no-one else was saying it. He balked
>at this as, Boruch Hashem, both his parents are still alive, and one
>should not say Kaddish in such circumstances without one's parents'
>express permission.

>BTW, the Art Scroll Siddur quotes the Halochoh that someone should
>say Kaddish after Oleinu, even if there are no Aveilim.

The obvious solution: every rabbi whose parents are still alive should
seek their permission to say Kaddish in these circumstances.


-- 
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Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
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From: raan@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ran Ever-Hadani)
Subject: Re: I have yet to meet a Jewish murderer.
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:59:44 GMT

In <1992Aug27.184341.664153@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:

#I live in a fairly decent neighborhood in Los Angeles, but yet am afraid
#to let my wife or kids go out alone at night. Unfortunately, there
#have been too many incidents lately.

#However, I have a friend visiting from Israel, who claims that in Israel
#you can let your wife and kids go for a walk at 2 in the morning,
#and not have to worry.

#So I do agree with the original poster. Sure, maybe there are some
#Jewish low-lifes, but these are a rarity.

I assume this is due to the much lower level of social problems
(slums, drug use, homelessness etc.) in Israel, which in turn
is caused by the relatively centralistic form of government here.
I would think that most murderers and muggers in the US are people
who grew up under social conditions which are rare in Israel; this
has little to do with their being non-Jews.

-- Ran
-- 
Withdrawal from the territories is in Israel's vital interest.  I will not 
feel any less at home in Shiloh or Bethlehem if I need a visa to go there.

                                   Moshe Dayan  (quoted from memory)
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From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Jewish Popes?
Keywords: Jewish pope
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:14:53 GMT

In article <Btv83B.FpF@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.133513.23883@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>>  Gut Yontiff, Pontiff.

>Vus ist neies, Pius?

Pius in peyiss?

--Mark
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Somalia crisis I
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:10:14 GMT

In <01GO7JDCD1A0000587@Eisner.DECUS.Org> GRIMES_S@Eisner.DECUS.Org writes:

    It would be great to discuss how Jewish organizations -- synagogues,
    campus, whatever -- could get involved in assisting Somalia.  Money
    and advocacy letters to our government and international organizations
    can really help.

Does anyone know about Abie Natan's relief efforts?  I can't pick up
the Voice of Peace (Natan's radio station) in Jerusalem, but I've
heard that he arranged some sort of aid shipment to Somalia.
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From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:36:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug26.123152.28125@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>
>During the war, I beleive there would have been far fewer Polish Jews in
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^
          Has anyone ever estimated that? Whould you give us some numbers
(or sources)?

>[...]My objection is to those Poles who deny any/all complicity.

not to me then...

>Read, for
>example, any history books on the overtures made by the Warsaw Ghetto
>resistance leaders to the Polish underground for a truly frightening
>episode of Polish antisemitism.

Not denying your sources, I have a question for you: What is the name of
the only survived commander of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising? Where does he
live now? and what does he have to say about that fight?

Chris

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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Missionary Aid
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.130449.7437@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>Ask if he accepts _everything_ in his bible.  If he says yes, slap him
>once.  If he gets angry, ask him about the verse about turning the
>other cheek.  If he agrees that its part of his bible and that he
>believes it, slap his other cheek, even harder.

Caution:  Be careful he doesn't then slap you, since he can claim to
find this verse in the Hebrew Bible.
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Subject: re: wedding on Saturday??
From: ToraByte <CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 23:47:38 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I don't think I can remember an exact source for the explaination that I
posted. However, to show that 'kiddush'es of the originating type are
forbidden, an example springs to mind. From the mishna in Bameh
Madlikin, second perek of Shabbos, it says 'Ain Me'asrin es HaVadai' - you
can't separate Terumah and Ma'aser off of food that definately didn't have
the tithes taken, during bein hashmashos-the twilight period when we're unsure
whether it's daytime or nite. Taking off the terumah and ma'aser is making
that which is to be terumah and ma'aser, kadosh, and therefore forbidden during
the twilight period and certainly so during shobbos.     Kadosh doesn't exactly
mean sanctify or holy. A more proper translation is 'separate'. When doing the
kiddushin, the man is actually separating the woman from the world, meaning,
he makes her forbidden to the whole world (potential relations), therefore
doing a type of separation. Same thing by terumah or ma'aser. One is taking
this food and separating it from the normal food. It now goes to the kohein
or the levi (with the halachos that pertain to the respective food). I would
imagine that the isur of making something kodesh is in the catagory of Birur.
 In terms of the reason why, I would imagine that there are a number of reasons
why a marriage should not take palce on shabbos, and that all of the reasons
that have been written here have validity.
Sorry y'all, I hate writing in paragraphs :-)
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From: baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:57:17 GMT
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University

Mr Allen mentions Lisa Aiken's book.  For other views on Judaism and
women, see (for example)

On Women and Judaism, by Blu Greenberg
  (an Orthodox woman coming to terms with secondary status)
Women and Jewish Law, by Rachel Biale
  (source readings and interpretations on aspects of Jewish Law
   relating to women)
Chattel or Person: Women in the Mishna, by I forget who
  (an analysis of the increasing person-hood of women in the 
   development of Jewish law)
Women in Time and Torah, by the late Eliezer Berkovits
  (an analysis of women's place in Judaism, with attempts to 
   incorporate them in the more public practices)
Women at Prayer, by Avraham Weiss
  (a response to the "RIETS Five" and Herschel Schachter, authors of
   responsa banning womens' prayer services)
   and for a radical view,
Standing Again at Sinai, by Judith Plaskow
  (an argument for tossing out standard theology and attempting to 
   reconstruct a feminist Judaism from what the Torah and Talmud *don't* say)

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