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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: more height--cycling
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:09:40 GMT
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In article <BtLM44.AJ6@nntp-sc.Intel.COM>, gaybay@mrmudd.intel.com (Gunes Aybay) writes:
|> I used to high jump in college and my coach absolutely prohibited 
|> biking for either long periods (more than 30min) or at full effort.
|> There's some theory that biking develops different muscle groups
|> and may actually reduce your vertical. One thing I know for sure is
|> that if you bike for long periods (i.e. hours) at top effort level,
|> most of your white (fast twitch) muscle fibres will be converted to
|> red (slow twitch) fibres and you will loose some of your explosive
|> speed at the expense of gaining stamina.
|> 
|> Gunes
This is rubbish.  After many (4) recent knee operations that were
volleyball related, I took up cycling as therapy.  I ride somewhere
between 80-100 miles a week.  After two years of this (riding indoors
on rollers in winters), I can honestly say that I have not lost 1" of
vertical.  Nor have I gained any.  The only volleyball benifits that
I have recieved from cycling are: 1) Increased endurance, a real key 
during the finals of a tournament and  2) Stronger legs in general that
allow me to play pain and injury free.  I dont think cycling will make 
you jump higher but it has certainly allowed me to maintain my vertical
throughout the day.  Therefore at the end of the day I can get up over 
those who dont have comparable stamina.  Who said volleyball isn't an
endurance sport?


Bob
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:12:37 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article 5002@news.duke.edu, lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>Sender: CRUSH 
>Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
>that one).
>
>Hope this helps.

Boy, it sure doesn't.  Both are wrong (although you're close on the men's)

Men - 2.43 meters , or 7'11 5/8"

Women - 2.24 meters, or 7'4 1/4"

The meters are exact measurements;  the inches are approximate (but close
enough, don't get out your calculator)

Rob
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From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Improving play by watching tapes
Organization: Bellcore
	<1992Aug25.123252.17752@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
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Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:03:47

In article <BtK3ry.L97@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
   In article <GEOFF.92Aug25142943@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com> geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:
   >... when I have a choice between
   >spiking and winning, I'd rather spike.  If you want to win, you'd better
   >be ready to pick up any legal shot that comes over.

   Unfortunately, this is pretty much the same argument given by jungle ball
   players to justify slam dunks and carries.  "What do you mean you can't do
   that?  You're just making that up!"  :-(

Actually, the arguments are rather unrelated.  The jungle ball player
is arguing about what plays are legal.  I am merely stating that you need
to be prepared to return any legal play.  If slam dunks and carries 
became legal (which they well might, if "accidental" contact with the
net and the opponents court become legal :-(), then it would be your
responsibility to learn how to play them effectively.

Cheers,

Geoff

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From: jsy@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jennifer Yu)
Subject: Re: Spiking
Organization: NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:24:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
|> Hello all-
|>    Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
|> I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
|> any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?
|> 
|> -- 
|> | Christopher N Keller     (intern/personal slave to Dr. Erricos C. Pavlis) |

Snap that wrist!  Get on top of the ball.

Jennifer
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: gsowers@vikings.srg (Greg Sowers x4529)
Subject: Hitting middle
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:52:59 GMT


[Chris Dunn writes]
>
>      [ explanation of approach and jump deleted]
>
>Chris
>
>  PS. I hear what you're saying on the quick wrist snap of the middle
>hit, but I'd rather cream the ball if I could.  Gets more ooh's from
>your teammates, demoralizes weaker opponents, and less likely to be
>dug.  To get around the bock I would use the distance from the net,
>hitting the ball off center to redirect its flight, and of couse expect
>the setter to call plays that evade the block.  All above comments
>should be taken in the context of a VB fan still learning to hit properly.

IMHO, if the game is important, go for the higher percentage "wrist snap".
My teammates and I (when I used to play middle) could put the ball
down quick, but some of our opponents could make the floor vibrate if
they connected well in the middle.  The demoralizing factor was minimal
when they pounded, but when we stuffed them, we got high and made for
a reversal in the psych factor.  If we got stuffed it wasn't as impressive,
so the demoralizing/psych factor didn't come into play.

Digging middle is very difficult for quick snap or a pound, so IMHO
digging is not a factor.

Pounding will get your team psyched a lot or not depending on the situation.

So, in my opinion, we went with a quick snap that was easy to change
direction or timing compared to a pounding swing that could be anticipated
and stuffed.

As a side note, I like to swing away so I left the middle game to taller,
stronger, younger players so I could pound from the outside and get
more glory :)
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From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:43:17 GMT
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center


>>|> >men's and women's volleyball nets.
>
>>
>>Mens   - 8' 0"
>>Womens - 7' 4" (8" lower)
>>
>Actually, I think that it might be a little bit shorter than that. Some crazy
>fraction, like 7' 11 5/8" for mens nets. I know it's not quite 8 feet though. 
>Women's nets? No clue. Anyone out there have the ol' USVBA rule book handy?

Yeah, I think the official is 7 feet 11 3/4 inches.  That's what I've always
heard, anyways. 

-- Zeke.
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From: vail@tegra.COM (Johnathan Vail)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Walleyball
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:11:59 GMT
Organization: Tegra, Inc., Billerica, MA
In-reply-to: lmm@cis.ksu.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 14:15:38 GMT


In article <lmm.714838864@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> lmm@cis.ksu.edu (ATT Larry M. McWilliams) writes:

   I played a game awhile back called Wallyball and loved it, It was
   a lot of fun.   Wallyball is played in a racquetball court with
   a net in the middle and a special nerf-like ball 2-4 people per side.
   Playing off the walls is part of the game.

   Is there any official rules for this sport?  Where can a person order
   equipment? 

Yes, its a fun game.  Many places have their own rules about walls and
such but there are "official" rules.  There is a company in California
that sells rule books, nets and balls (acutally I just saw a wallyball
being sold at a local Hermans).  If you send me email I can dig up the
info for anyone interested.

And the ball isn't really nerf-like, it just looks that way.  Blue,
about the same size and weight as a volleyball but a bit softer.

"Official" rules are much like indoor volleyball but with some notable
distinctions:

 - You may hit only one wall of either side wall or your own back wall
  if the ball goes over the net.

 - You can block or attack serves.

 - You cannot recieve the serve as a set.

 - You may not "climb" the walls.

 - One hand open handed "sets" or dinks are specifically not allowed.

 - The server on a 4 man team (getting rare these days) may not spike
   or block (or at least leave the ground to do so).


I find the game usually a little quicker with longer volleys (the
walls tend to contain wild defensive plays).  Experienced volleyball
players start off hitting long but soon get the hang of the walls.

Going between volleyball and wallyball I find I bring some bad habits
back to the normal court.  Like one-hand hits instead of digs.  In
wallyball things move fast enough that its often necessary.  On a full
size court it usually means you're lazy.

Also I find my approach for outside hits a bit strange.  Playing in a
small box you get used to every set being short and in the middle.


Hope this helps, jv


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From: vkv1@cec2.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: Short players
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:17:23 GMT

In article <5037@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>I have a friend that I've been trying to convince to try volleyball.
>The problem is that he is less than the ideal height and doesn't want to
>just set and bump all the time.  
>So what I want to know is how many of you out there are 5'6" or under
>and can still put the ball down?
>
>Just curious.
>
>And what kinda vertical do you have to have to be able to spike when
>your that tall?
>
>More curiousity i guess.
>
>Thanx
>
>-CRUSH

Well, I guess I qualify, being 5'6".  With an approach, my vertical is
34".  Unfortunately, my arms aren't very long, but that's another story.
I know a lady who is 5'3", has 28" approach vertical and can simply crank
on the ball on a MEN'S net.  So height shouldn't be too much of a problem
 if you can
jump, and short people tend to be able to develop their jumping skills
more quickly than tall people (I don't know why).  The major problem
is with blocking since all your body proportions (esp. arms) are also
shorter.

If you get a beginning short person to play, they have to be willing to
be corrected a lot because they basically have less room for error.
They need to be taught good form from the start and not stray.  The key is
form.  With good form, you could easily play upper level B.  With this
in mind, they should develop quickly enough to have fun instead of feeling
like a hole in the court.

And finally, tell your friend that becoming a setter is not a bad idea
because he will always be in demand and will always be on court and will
hit if he plays a 6-2.  And, if he plans to advance past BB, he would have
to be a setter at his height. 

Van Vo
Washington Univ. VBC
From: jordan@pitt.edu (Kenneth D Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Pgh Volleyball
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:18:52 GMT
Followup-To: nick@theory.chem.pitt.edu
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jordan@unix.cis.pitt.edu

*******************************************************************************

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			      (Preliminary announcement)

	Location:	Gateway Junior High School, Monroeville
			(20 minutes east from Oakland / Pittsburgh)

	Elibigility:	Individuals or teams.  Men, Women, or Coed.
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	Day / time:	Thursdays, 7-10 pm.

	Starting date:	To be announced (approx. 3rd week of September).

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	Miscellaneous:	This is to be clean "power" volleyball.  Ability
			levels typically range from B through AA.  There
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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Perceived Perceptions
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:41:19 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <1992Sep4.125923.24197@ll.mit.edu>, serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
|> I do have a comment....I have played open tournaments, both grass and sand, 
|> and whenever i go to Hampton Beach, there are a whole bunch of JERKS, like you
|> say, that will not let me play 'cause they don't know me.....This anoys me
|> but, c'est la vie.....
|>

They're just jealous of your tan! :)
 
|> I believe a lot of people get their own net and gather their own people to make
|> sure that they get lots of practice games. Perhaps they are selfish, but the
|> best answer to this is get your own net, invite your favorite friends, and if 
|> someone comes along....LET HIM PLAY!!!!!!
|> 
|> This kind of behaviour is experienced by both unskilled and skilled players
|> that haven't made a name for themselves....Life's tough :(
|> 
|> Serge

Bob
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:22:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <5071@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>
>Now the vertical.  I've found that form is key....
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
				Very Well Said !!!
>timing, you don't have to jump haphazardly to get up.  I use a two step
>approach - I start with my right foot (i'm right handed) then left and
>then bring my right foot up to the left.  This is where it gets crucial,
>as you put your right foot down, bend down putting both hands behind you
>and then swing your arms hard as you jump - you'll get up much higher.

From what you say, and please forgive me if i misunderstood, your last
two steps are left/right?  IF this is so, i will not recommend this for
a right handed person. For a righty, the last two steps are right/left.
As you plant your right heel on the ground  your arms go back. You then
roll your foot (from heel to toe like a rocking motion), and then plant
your left foot (toe mainly). SO the approach goes: heel/toe,toe. We you
plant with your left foot your arms swing up, your hips snaps forward and
you arch your back.....

>
>the swing
>now you're up in the air with arms up. now make like you're pulling a
>bow and arrow except that the thumb of your hitting hand in pointing to
>the ground. As you're cocking back in one continuous motion pound the
>ball.  don't cock back, stop and then crank forward.
>

The bow and arrow has been a very traditional technique and very effective.
One thing you want to keep in mind is never to drop your elbow below
your ear. Keep the motion high, bend your arm at the elbow and then swing
away....

>miscellaneous tips
>keep the ball infront of you
>don't jump to soon
>jump forward 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
 I'm not sure about this one. The only time i would suggest broad jumping
is when you hit a quick set or a backrow attack. Broad Jumping, though, is
a difficult thing to master......
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From: mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn)
Subject: Volleyball Rule Question
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:09:40 GMT

Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
is the rule on blocking the serve.
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:28:29 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation


It certainly is legal to set (i.e. play the ball above your head with your {open}
hands, imparting finger action) the serve.

It just is real hard to do ... without mangling the ball.  About the only time you want
to do this is when a real lollipop _short_ serve comes over;  and even then, you're
better off passing it.

The comment below about the Olympics and the WL are wrong.  Nobody sets the serve
at this level because it's such a bad play.

Rob Peglar
USA National Referee



In article D4C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug27.220940.22337@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
>>Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
>>double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
>>bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
>>is the rule on blocking the serve.
>
>
>>/*************************/
>
>>Mike,
>
>>According to the last issue of the USVBA rules, a double hit is allowed on
>>the first team hit on any ball crossing the net (not just the serve) as
>>long as no finger action was involved.
>
>>You can't return the ball back to the serving court until it has dropped
>>below the plane of the top of the net.
>
>Just to expand this a little, what about setting a serve? I know that in 
>the Olympics, World League, etc, they can't set the serve, but I've talked to 
>people in high school, park leagues, etc, who insist you can.  At what level
>does setting the serve become illegal?
>Joe
>>Rick
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From: whitwam@bnr.ca (Mark Whitwam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: no hand setting in beach tournament
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: whitwam@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In the two-man VSP beach tournaments, here in Ottawa, they don't allow 
setting with the hands.  Since we have to ref our own games, they justify the 
rule in that it reduces the arguments on whether the set was "clean".  This 
forces the setter to bump set.  Is this done in any other beach tournaments?
Should it be just as easy to spike a bump set, as a hand set?  

hodad
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From: boas@uni-paderborn.de (Boas Simon)
Subject: Re: QUESTION where are vball gifs????
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:40:53 GMT

Hi there,
In article <1992Aug25.102617.8783@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Check your gravity at the door.) writes:
|> VOLLEY.GIF was great!
|> 
|> Does anyone know of an ftp site that has a bunch of these????
|> 
|> Thank you for your help.
|> 
|> Scott
|> -- 
Yeah, I'm interested in this, too.
So, if there exists any ftp site for volleyball gif's, please post
it me, too!!!

Thnax a lot,
Boas
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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:31:04 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <5002@news.duke.edu>, lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:  
|> In article <1992Aug31.133909.25079@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer) writes:
|> >I know this is trivial, but what is the official height for
|> >men's and women's volleyball nets.
|> >
|> >Thanks,
|> >	Scott Laderer
|> 
|> 
|> Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
|> that one).
|> 

Mens   - 8' 0"
Womens - 7' 4" (8" lower)

Bob Schwartz
From: lmm@cis.ksu.edu (ATT Larry M. McWilliams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Walleyball
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:15:38 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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Summary: Rules for Wallyball
Keywords: Wallyball, racquetball

I played a game awhile back called Wallyball and loved it, It was
a lot of fun.   Wallyball is played in a racquetball court with
a net in the middle and a special nerf-like ball 2-4 people per side.
Playing off the walls is part of the game.

Is there any official rules for this sport?  Where can a person order
equipment? 

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Larry McWilliams
l.m.mcwilliams@att.com

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: signals?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:34:11 GMT

   My padnah and I use these signals... 	

   1 finger - blocking line	
   2 fingers - blocking angle 
   fist - no block
   open hand - blocking ball

   We wave our signal for the person we want to be served.



                                            - Drummer -
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:34:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Sep3.134809.7904@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
>
>                                              - Drummer -

Need you email adress....
Didi you play in Boo's team this weekend?

serge
serge@ll.mit.edu
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:48:09 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network


   After coaching college women for 10 hours a day, I am back...

   Ne height? Sure. Men's - about 3 inches higher than my hand. Women's
   comes to about my middle knuckle on my fingers. There ya go.



                                              - Drummer -