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From: mce5921@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Martin Emde)
Subject: Re: Which carrier to use shipping boards?
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:22:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.195516.16758@walter.bellcore.com> ngs@bellcore.com writes:
>I am looking for recommendations on the best carrier to ship
>boards within the US. I don't necessarily care about speed 
>or home-delivery.
>
>The US Mail and UPS have size limitations which 
>are exceeded by almost all boards. The express-mail companies
>assign artificially high weights to oversize packages which
>make them prohibitively expensive. (My 19 pound board would
>have been charged as a 145 pound shipment by Airborne!)
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ned
>
>
I had a complete rig (including one peice mast) shipped via
Northwest Airlines from Maui to Seattle.  I can't remember
what it cost (I think around $70) and they delivered it
to my address.  They were able to break the mast in transit and 
they reimbursed me for it a few months later.

So anyway, I would check with different airline cargo outfits.

-Martin


-- 
Martin C Emde  <mce5921@bcstec.boeing.com>  uunet!bcstec!mce5921 
Boeing Commercial Airplane Group - 777 Electrical Systems
Renton, Washington  USA
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: The Gorge is Nuking
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:43:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

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To: mep@inmet.inmet.COM (Mark Polhamus)
Cc: wiltonh@windsurf.WR.TEK.COM, wiltonh
Subject: Re: Gorge temperature graph 
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 07:57:31 PST
From: wiltonh@windsurf.WR

The following is a 5 year average of the Water Temperature in the Gorge.


Month   AH  Water  AL
Jan     40  38     27
Feb     47  39     32
Mar     53  43     34
Apr     60  50     38
May     68  56     44
Jun     74  63     50
Jul     82  69     53
Aug     80  72     52
Sep     74  68     46
Oct     63  60     38
Nov     49  53     33
Dec     43  44     31

AH = Air High Temp.
Water = Wather Temp.
AL = Air Low Temp.

The early season starts in March but it really starts getting good in
April or may.  The hit ratio on weekends is much better later in the year.

People sail there year around but the water is cold.  I tried to mail this
directly but your email address did not work.
From: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Beware of CA Exodus
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:04:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.9498
Reply-To: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR

In article <C0FLA2.L35@SSD.intel.com> joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.042633.17842@a.cs.okstate.edu> hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
>>From article <4310558@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom):
>>> 1.16% so a typical 3 or 4 bedroom, cheap $350,000 home costs $4060 per
>>> year in just property taxes (if you were to buy it today).
>>$350,000 cheap??????  I think you've been in CA's overpriced housing market
>>too long.  Jee, maybe my 4 bedroom, 1550 sq ft., 2 story house with monthly
>>payments of $258 a month (including escrow) and property taxes of $181 a 
>
>My $80,000 3 bedroom 1 bath ranch style is relatively cheap for Beaverton 
>$1,500 a year range.  By 1995 our property tax limitation bill will limit 
>joel@ssd.intel.com


Don't believe a word Joel says !! The housing is expensive, taxes outrageous
and it rains ALL the time. With the weather getting back to normal(non-
drought) conditions the winds that blow in the gorge will all go away.
You'd do better to stay in the San Francisco area. Oh yes, there are
no jobs and they've cut down all the trees, so we're surrounded
by clear-cuts and lots of dirt.

chris perret
From: rolf@ames.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Experiences with Ecstasy?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:47:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: davinci.ucsd.edu


I got an Ecstasy in time for my annual trip to Punto San Carlos on the Baja
California coast last spring. It is my first sinker ever - actually the first
board I've ever owned under 9'. IMHO, it is a fantastic board that is fun for
both intermediates who like a challenge and the all-out shortboard fanatics.

Even for an intermediate like me, getting used to this board was a snap. I used
it with 4.2 and 4.6 wave sails and a 9.25" slotted wave fin, which seemed to
be a good combination for both wave sailing and dealing with the major chop
outside the surf zone. Things got a bit hairy towards the end of the trip and
I really needed a smaller sail. However, the Ecstasy remained easy to control
and composed in the monster chop, even though I didn't. :-) I didn't have a
whole lot of luck jibing the board, but my jibes are terrible anyway, < 10%.

The Ecstasy is definitely a fast board, and it gets on a plane very quickly.
I had no problem catching and passing other (better!) sailors, which was a
novel experience!

Despite it's small size, another San Diego boardhead says he has used his
for sailing Mission Bay with a 5.0 in 18-20kts. So it would appear that this
is not only a high-wind board. If we ever get some storms around here I'll try
to confirm or deny this.

The only complaint I have about the board is that the footstrap plugs are only
set up for a single screw, so the straps have a tendency to rotate. In fact,
I rotated the rear-most screw out of the back footstrap while wave riding - not
a pleasant experience. 

---
Rolf Schreiber -- rolf@ames.ucsd.edu
Ht: 6.1" Wt: 180#, wide range of well-thrashed (except the Ecstasy) equipment.
Can be found doing pollution testing in Mission Bay during clearing winds. :-)
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:40:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Warren Miller's "Go With The Windsurfer"
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Is that the video where they keep showing these two "Green Board builders"
who sell their boards out of a van in the Gorge?  That gag got old quick,
IMHO.  Otherwise the video was fun to watch.

Kirk out
From: dave@diku.dk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Some like it hot!
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:34:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

stig@staff.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen) writes:
...

>Despite of living at almost 70 degrees north we have had a mild winter, so
>far. Yesterday (january the fourth) some of us had to follow Bjoern's
>The air temperature of 8.8 degrees Celcius is the mildest ever measured in  
>january. The beach was almost crowded with windsurfers: Kristian Olsen 
 ...
>Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
>-- 
>//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
 
 ...

I have been meaning to ask for a while, how much difference does the
tail end of the gulf stream (the bit that passes Scotland is called
the "North Atlantic Drift", I don't know what you call it) make up
there?  Does it keep the water temperature up? I remember the first
time I made a winter trip to Cornwall in the UK (the far sw corner)
and being amazed that some people were still sailing barefoot in
December. 

Before Christmas I was just getting into sailing over here in Denmark
(5-6 Degrees C) but now it feels too cold. The high pressure over
Europe that has given Norway mild south/southwest (I'm guessing) winds
has given most of us sub-zero north-easterlies. I took my gear back
to the UK for the Christmas break, but didn't get out once.

Anyway, I tell you more about sailing over here when it gets up to 4/5 
degrees again. It could be a month or two...

Dave.
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Beware of CA Exodus
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:27:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <C0FLA2.L35@SSD.intel.com> joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>My $80,000 3 bedroom 1 bath ranch style is relatively cheap for Beaverton 
>(near Portland, OR) (high end would be $125K-$140K) and has taxes in the 
>$1,500 a year range.  By 1995 our property tax limitation bill will limit 
>taxes to $15 per thousand. State income tax is maybe 7%-10%. The Legislature
>has been trying to pass a sales tax every year for the last forty years at
>2.5%-5%.


Another data point:  I just sold a 3bd, 2ba house on a 1/3 acre in
Aloha in September for $96k.  Property taxes on that house were
$1,854/yr.  That's over $50/thousand.  Right now we are building a
new house in the $140ish range and property taxes will be over $3k/year


You can really make a profit on the housing market up here if the
timing is right.

Here's hoping for that 1/25 closing date on the new house (good
thing it's not happening during sailing season :)

KB
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: harry@grover.clarity.com (Harry Burks)
Subject: Warren Miller's "Go With The Windsurfer"
Organization: Clarity Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:40:00 GMT

I`ve only been subscribed to rec.windsurfing for a six months, so this may
have already been mentioned. Anyway...

I recently purchased a new Warren Miller video called Go_With_The_Windsurfer
for a "desperate for any kind of windsurfing fix" party we were having here in
the SF bay. 

The not-so-good news:

Like any Warren Miller film, it is FULL of beginner follies, sailing follies,
folly follies, corny jokes, etc, plus an indian masquerading as the 
"Wind Spirit". (While these are my least favorite Millerisms, they do help make
the film palatable for a non-sailing audience)

The good news:

It has the best production values of any windsurfing video I've seen.
Great action photography, quality music, chasing helicopters, and high 
resolution slo-mo. He uses some of the best sailors in the world, including 
Naish, Boyd, Kalama, Polokow, etc. He only visits two areas: (you guessed it)
the Gorge and Maui. The final sequences, sailing at sunset on Maui, are 
truly inspiring.

Anyway, it squashes your average manufacturer's promo video like a grape.
Running time: about an hour. With shipping, it cost $26. The direct ordering
number is 1-800-523-7117 ext 01. 

No, I am not affiliated in any way with Warren Miller, I categorically deny
any wrong doing, I'm not a crook, I cannot comment on that at this time, 
(insert any other political denial statements here), etc, etc.

	Harry Burks
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Which carrier to use shipping boards?
Reply-To: ngs@bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:55:16 GMT

I am looking for recommendations on the best carrier to ship
boards within the US. I don't necessarily care about speed 
or home-delivery.

The US Mail and UPS have size limitations which 
are exceeded by almost all boards. The express-mail companies
assign artificially high weights to oversize packages which
make them prohibitively expensive. (My 19 pound board would
have been charged as a 145 pound shipment by Airborne!)

Thanks in advance.

Ned


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:26:11 GMT

In article <3981@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>I can't wait for the wind and warmth to return. I read the reports from the Artic
>Surf Bums with amazement. THose guys are out sailing in sub-zero conditions
>in the dark! and I'm here waiting for the water to get back up to the sixties
>and the weather to return to the seventies. What a wimp I must be!

As was mentioned, the winter has been very mild this year. I think it was
mentioned that the temperature was 8.8 degrees Celcius, when they were sailing
in Tromso. It hasn't been quite that warm here, so I haven't sailed in a couple
of months. One of the guys went sailing a few weeks ago and there's no ice.

If we get any really warm days with moderate wind, I think more people
will venture out to sail. Usually all the boats are taken off the water
before the sea is iced over, but this year it seems a lot of people
have decided that the winter might be mild enough so that we won't get
any ice at all. There are still quite a few small boats in the water
even right now.

We don't even have any snow here in Helsinki. It was really interesting to
watch see that they had problems with snowstorms in Italy, when the
temperature here was above zero and there were no signs of snow.

It looks like the unusual weather will continue, so hopefully we'll be
able to start the season in early April or possibly even March. I almost
went sailing in March last year. It was warm enough, but there wasn't much
wind. It then suddenly got cold again for a few weeks and we couldn't
start the sailing before mid-April.

Hopefully we'll see this same weather pattern continue into the summer.
It would mean that we would have 3-4 days of 10m/s (20 knots) of wind
and then 1-3 days of no wind. (I think they measured up to 70 knots of
wind recently, but it never blows that hard in the summer.)

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: windsurf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Maaske Gould)
Subject: Re: Spin-Out 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:02:50 GMT



	A lot of the newer fins are very effective at reducing spin-out
(ie. blades that run $80-$250+).  If you don't want to invest in a new fin,
check the the leading edge of your fin is approx at the back of your
rear footsrap.  When getting on to a plane make sure that you don't put much
lateral pressure on your back foot until you have your speed up.  Often it's
possible (especially when fully powered) to put pressure in the back in
anticipation of the sail force but at that point the pull of the sail will
be too great for the force created by the speed of the water past the fin
and you will spin out.  When you get air (intentionally or otherwise) try
to tuck your legs under you and get the nose of the board downind a little
before landing (not too much or it's easy to get launched).  Pointing the
board upwind can get you extra air in heavy wind but you'll spin out on
landing.
	If you're pushing hard on the fin to get upwind try leaning on the
front harness line to drive the board down and help upwind and lean the
board a little to leward to use the rail.
	Finally, expmt with mast track & fin position and diff. types
of fins is possible to try to isolate the problem (fin vs. rig. vs. stance).
	Also make sure there's plenty of downhaul (esp. w/monofilm) to
prevent the draft from moving around.

-Scott Gould
	-windsurf@leland.stanford.edu-
From: stig@staff.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Some like it hot!
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

Some like it hot! So do we, but after a windpoor season we cannot sit 
still when the storm is blowing. Saturday, (january the second.) one of us
north norwegians couldn't resist any longer. So when the national TV2 showed
pictures from the storm's destruction in Tromsoe, they also filmed the "mad" 
windsurfer sailing among all the snow-covered mountains. His name is Bjoern 
Ove Husoey (N-233) and he had a cold experience in 2 degrees Celcius and 
40-60 knots wind.

Despite of living at almost 70 degrees north we have had a mild winter, so
far. Yesterday (january the fourth) some of us had to follow Bjoern's
example in perfect conditions: 5.2 sail and 85 liter slalom board. 
The air temperature of 8.8 degrees Celcius is the mildest ever measured in  
january. The beach was almost crowded with windsurfers: Kristian Olsen 
(N-331), Morten Westberg (N-438), and Stig Johansen (N-555). We sailed as 
long as the daylight allowed, that is almost 3 hours. 

The sun is under the horizon for some more weeks, because we live north of 
the polar circle. We call it the polar night. One soution would be to flood
lighting the area, but the local airport have opposed our plans. Wonder why?
Can it be the fact that the runway is less than 500 meters from the beach???
An other wish is warm water, but I guess it's easier to move us to warmer
territory than to move the warm water to us. So watch out you spoiled sunny
windsurfers, we might come south:-) By the way, Happy New Year!

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
-- 
//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
// University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
/ N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Spin-out
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:25:57 GMT

I traded in my transition board after having it for only three months
and got a 9'4" Seatrend slalom board (which is much faster...).  No,
however, I'm having a lot of problems with spin-outs.  I know that there
are a lot of factors that affect spin-outs, so I don't really know 
what specific questions to ask.  One thing is for sure though, it is
pissing me off -- I've been forced to sail timidly ;7(.  (Oh, by the way
I'm almost always spin-out when I get a little air.)

Help!

Dan
From: beaudoin@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Beaudoin)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Two Way Head Piece Communication
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:10:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

A couple of guys at work mentioned something about 2-way communication devices
used in Skidoo helmets which enables them to communicate without having to
shout above the engine noise. This made me think about the problem I have
in communicating with my buddys on the water. I heard of devices used for
training beginner windsurfers and was wondering if such devices exists 
commercially.

It would be nice to express one's feeling of excitment right at the moment, 
or ask your partner to keep going past the reef, or whatever. I find that
often people will yell out loud their feeling of excitment/disappointment 
so that they can be heard, it's probably because they haven't expressed 
themself for a long time and it all comes out.

Any information appreciated.

Richard the sailorman
From: golka@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Grand Cayman seven mile beach?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:47:37 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

My wife and I are planning to do a trip to the Carribean, and would like to 
go somewhere that we can windsurf. The big issue is access to good equipment.
Also at issue is the conditions. As my wife isn't good in waves yet, because
she can't
waterstart, so we are looking for high speed flat water type conditions, or at
least
smaller waves, with a gentle shore break.

Places we are looking into going are:

Grand Cayman Seven Mile Beach
Los Cabos Mexico
St. Lucia

Does anyone have comments on conditions in these places?
Know where to get good equipment at these locations?

Any recommendations on where else to go, including info on where to stay, 
and where to get equipment?

Please post replies.

Thanks Bill Crick 

Disclaimer:> I don't speak, I type.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Re: Spin-out
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:19:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.152557.4503@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>I traded in my transition board after having it for only three months
>and got a 9'4" Seatrend slalom board (which is much faster...).  No,
>however, I'm having a lot of problems with spin-outs.  I know that there
>are a lot of factors that affect spin-outs, so I don't really know 
>what specific questions to ask.  One thing is for sure though, it is
>pissing me off -- I've been forced to sail timidly ;7(.  (Oh, by the way
>I'm almost always spin-out when I get a little air.)

Sounds like your setup needs a little adjusting.  First try moving the fin
back in the box.  That should help somewhat, but make jibing a little
trickier.  Adjust your mast track, sometimes forward helps, sometimes back.
Also, make sure your sail outhaul is not over-tensioned.  This will lead
to more pull on your back hand which translates into too much pressure on
your back foot.  Try changing your stance, so that your front leg is more
straight and your back leg is more bent.

The whole idea is to experiment until you get dialed-in to your set-up.
You want less force on your rear foot and more push on your front foot.


Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
From: wazenski@egr.duke.edu (Michael T. Wazenski)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Question regarding weather maps
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:47:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC

In browsing through the anonymous FTP site at vmd.cso.uiuc.edu, I 
noticed several GIF's starting with a capital 'U'.  I imagine
these are upper level conditions.  What I would like to know
is what information is being presented.  Does anyone out there
know how to read these maps?

Mike Wazenski

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Wazenski            Department of Electrical Engineering           
wazenski@egr.duke.edu       Duke University NC 27708
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From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Beware of CA Exodus
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:34:10 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <4310557@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>Sad for Califorina as our high taxes and high cost of living have made
>if VERY profitable for three well paid, good minds to seek employment
>in States with less taxes and good windsurfing (3 of the 4 work out of
>the home in high-tech.)
>Kirk out


It worked out that way for me too.  My decision was made easier
by other factors, but I always KNEW I wanted to live near The Gorge.




KB
From: dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Outer Banks - best time to go
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:21:45 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.030736.6301@news.media.mit.edu> pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire) writes:
>                              Bring a drysuit, since there is no
>guarantee that you will get 70 F temps! Rather expect temperatures in
>the low 60's or high 50's.
>

Also bring a shorty. Seriously, I was there the last week of March in '92
and was able to sail 6 of 7 days. We had only one 70+ degree day, which 
generated a nice SW thermal and out came the shorties. We also had another
day that was a blustery Northeaster where rain turned to sleet, making it
very hard to hear inside the helmets-turned-popcorn makers. Most days were 
high 50s to mid 60s. It sure is a crap shoot. Bring everything you own. I
used every piece of equipment, from 7'11" boards to 9'4", 3.5M sails to
6.5M sails.

-dan@kronos.com