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From: hedrick@dumas.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Character loss is only less frequent now, not gone.
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:50:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

gt7080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Nathan I. Laredo) writes:

>Just when I thought all the serial problems were gone with 
>the new irq routines, once I downloaded a large enough file
>I found the errors were still there, only now less frequently.

If you're using 0.96cpl2, I agree.  I still see problems with SLIP.
There's no reason to expect SLIP to be different than any other
program that uses the serial line.  I posted some patches that are
sufficient to eliminate the loss for me.  Linus sent me back his
version of them, which I presume will be in pl3.  His version works
fine for me.  However a drop once every couple of minutes may not be a
serial problem at all.  It may be interference from the disk code, or
even a real line error.  I'm not sure it's realistic to expect
absolutely zero errors.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: 882028s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Ghazali Shafie)
Subject: Help : Linux and DRDOS 6.0 and Superstor
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:57:22 GMT


I'm wondering if Linux will work with DR DOS 6.0 and superstor or
do I have to set aside a few megs not compressed by superstor
for Linux .

Thanks
.
From: gt0449a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: talk/ytalk
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:28:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Has anyone managed to find/compile a "talk" program to Linux?  I just
made a valiant attempt at porting ytalk 2.0 to Linux, but it appears
that we're missing some vital network kernel support (stuff like recv,
sendto, gethostbyname, getservbyname).  Is there something out there
that provides the same function (talking) that is easier to port?
Thanks..
-- 
Rob Coleman ][ gt0449a@prism.gatech.edu        ][  "I think I'm going bald!"
Comp. Sci.  ][ Georgia Institute of Technology ][        -Rush/COS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Making shared X lib
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:56:23 GMT


I just got the alpha release of Xaw3d (the 3D Athena Widget) and
compiled it into a library. According to the author, we should be
able to substitute libXaw.a completely by libXaw3d.a. I tried
to understand HJ Lu's shared mkshared script but still can't
get it. Is there any document out there? I wish I can make
a new /lib/libXaw.1.1 since it seems to be buggy. Furthermore,
the static version of libXaw3d.a linked with a couple of programs
exhibits better looking. Since I didn't modify anything to 
compile the source (except the damn char * sys_errlist[]),
you can just get the source from export.lcs.mit.edu. Highly
recommended, even though it is still in alpha.




Wen-Chun Ni
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: Help w Shoelace and 2 drives
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:19:16 GMT

In article <1mw8NB1w165w@ssg.com> unixsys@ssg.com (Rick Emerson) writes:
> Sorry.  As far I understand, you MS-DOS partition a) has to be on the root
> device (/dev/hda)

MS-DOS will probably feel unhappy on a second disk, although it should
be possible to fix this with a few hacks (trap INT 0x13, switch the
device numbers, etc.).

> and b) has to / should be (translation: some room for
> ambiguity on this point) the first partition.

I have PC-DOS 4.0 (soon to become MS-DOS 3.3 or an EXT FS) on /dev/hda2
and it seems to feel (and boot) fine.

> I was unable to put Linux in /dev/hda1 and boot from it.  Put it in
> /dev/hda2 and it works quite well.  

I've had it boot with root on /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 and the boot
sector on /dev/hda, /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2. Although most of this was
done with LILO, Shoelace should be able to do this as well.

> The near-mythical LILO boot tool (rumors have it able to leap tall
> partitions at a single bound, etc.) may help with this.

Certainly ;-)

> It's around in alpha testing form (I don't know where to get it);
> if you're feeling brave, you can give this a try.

I've posted the announcement just a few minutes ago, but repetition
never hurts ... banjo.concert.net:/pub/Linux/Incoming/lilo.2.tar.Z

- Werner
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From: Geoffrey.Anderson@f34.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Geoffrey Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux and RLL drives
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:40:14 -0800

I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting linux to create a valid FS
on an RLL drive.  I have a WD RLL controller, and I created a 32 meg
partition for it(actually it was a DOS partition, bit I hacked it to be
a minix type partition.  Anyhow when I run mkfs -c [blah blah] it chokes
on sector 3870 while checking for bad clusters.  I know that this is
bull, since I had SpeedStor verify the partition and it is clean of bad
sectors.  

Am I crazy and linux should support RLL formatted drives, or is it a
non-supported feature of the OS?  Is there hope for a patch/updated
release?
Or do I have to spend some $$$ I don't have to buy an IDE or SCSI drive.
 Type at you all again soon.

BTW  Linux is a great os, and I hope I can get it installed on my HD.  I
like what I see and want more!!!!  Keep up  the great work guys!
Geoff


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lruppert@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Medvezhonok)
Subject: Orchid Prodesigner IIs
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: ny
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 12:32:20 EDT

  Has anyone had any luck with the Orchid Prodesigner IIs card (1024 x 768)?
  I am considering one to replace my Diamond Speedstar 24 card, which flickers.
  What I would like to know is if anyone has had a flicker problem with this
  card, and how fast it runs X (is it slow to refresh screens and such?).  I
  have a 486/50 DX2 so system speed should not be a concern :>.  Does the
  kernel recognize the Hi Res. modes at boot?  Thanks for you help.

  Louis Ruppert
  lruppert@rodan.acs.syr.edu
--
"You can say what you want to Debussey,
but there's not much of him left to hear"
-Monty Python
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House)
Subject: vt100 lines character set
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:45:17 GMT



Okay... Here goes another one:

On occasion, the character set on my console changes to a bunch of
vertical and horizontal lines.  This is, it seems, a result of issueing
the incorrect sequence of control characters to the terminal.  How can I
get it to go back the way it was?  I suppose this is a common problem,
no?

Thanks lots!


-Doogie


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: programming in X
Originator: fortony@lucy
Summary: see 'keywords'
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:23:44 GMT
Keywords: I must be braindamaged


Well, I'm confused.  I've got xbase, xprog, xextra and x75dpi
installed.  I've got gcc installed, and a whole lot of libraries
claiming to be shared.  As far as the documentation for each package
is concerned, I've got everything.  However!

gcc -o blahblah blahblah.c -lm -lX11

returns that it can't find libm.a or libX11.a.

xmkmf

returns that /lib/cpp doesn't exist.  Which it doesn't.

I'd like e-mail replies as to what I'm doing wrong, and if anyone
else has this problem, I'll store for summarization.

Felix
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From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SCSI vs IDE speed difference
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:58:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder

In article <14ve4sINNci7@agate.berkeley.edu> vojta@powdermilk.berkeley.edu (Paul Vojta) writes:
>Various messages on comp.os.linux seem to indicate that it's faster to have
>a SCSI disk than an IDE.

Not with the current SCSI drivers.  The "normal" disk driver will tell
the disk controller to read  X contigous blocks with one command, and 
will interrupt for each sector.  Since the Minix fs code does a two 
block read ahead, that will typically be 6 sectors.

The SCSI code needs to do one command per block, which means 2 sectors
per command, and it will interrupt once per command.

You loose a lot from the overhead of one command per block (ie, having to go 
through ARBITRATION / SELECTION / MESSAGE OUT / COMMAND OUT phases) as opposed
to one command per X blocks.  This means the current SCSI drivers are 
slower by almost a factor of 3.

The new SCSI drivers (under development) will scatter / gather, and 
do all contigous reads as one SCSI command.  With a bus mastering controller
like the Adaptec, you'll see one interrupt when it's done, use a minimal amount
of CPU time, and will see considerably better performance than IDE.

I suspect that a larger block size, and bigger read ahead, will give 
better performance under both SCSI and IDE.

>Yet, in the second-most-recent PC magazine, IDE drives come out best, unless
>you have a caching controller on an EISA bus.  They state that the faster
>transfer speed of SCSI is not a factor, since the transfer speed is limited
>anyway by how fast the disk spins.  Their benchmarks were for DOS, but it
>seems to me that their comment would apply to Linux, too.
>


Both SCSI and IDE can have on board buffers.  If your drive is doing 
readahead, like most modern disks do, the faster transfer speed will
be an issue.

Also, IDE does not make sense in multiple disk installations.  With SCSI,
the drive will DISCONNECT when it is seeking, and another disk can use 
the bus.  With IDE that doesn't happen.

>So, since I am currently shopping for a system to run Linux on, which should
>I get?  Specific benchmarks, if available, would be appreciated.
>
>--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu

Unless you want to wait for a SCSI tape driver, or need a single large disk
(large defined as > 300M), IDE is probably your best bet.
From: ws@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Strunk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: wd8003 support in 0.96c ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:46:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: asumpcio.WS.92Jul21144551
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany

I've tried to apply the patches for wd8003 to the 0.96c kernel of the
mcc-version. I didn't have any succes. Is there a new patch out ?
Supposed patching will work next time, is the ka9q version capable of
using a ethernet card ?
Has anyone had succes connecting a linux system to the internet using
a wd8003 ethernet card ?
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From: nolet@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Nolet Richard G.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Mouse works in emacs but no x-popup-menu
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:13:48 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Thanks to everyone who answered. I guess my original post was ambiguous:
I knew how to use the mouse in emacs - I've used it on the sun - my problem
was get emacs to recognize the mouse. Well, thanks to pointers to x-mouse.el
I now load the library as I load emacs. All the cut & paste stuff works as
it should :-)

What doesn't work is C-S-left (x-buffer-menu) and C-S-middle (x-help).
What emacs tells me is:

	Symbol's function definition is void: x-popup-menu

If I use help and do completion on: x- while trying to describe a function
I get many possibilities but not x-popup-menu.

I tried loading x-menu.el but I still get the same message. Gee - I just
thought of something - maybe I should post to am emacs group :)

Thanks for any forthcoming suggestions
Richard

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From: jhelberg@nl.oracle.com (Joost Helberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Databases
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:16:03 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

pdp@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Paul Douglas Page) writes:
: Has anyone ported a reasonable database to Linux yet?
: 
: Thanks in advance.

Not yet, I need shared memory.

--
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   jhelberg@oracle.nl                           NL-3454 PV De Meern
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From: gt0449a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Pipes
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:45:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I finally got around to playing with named pipes (Fifos) and
subsequently got confused.  After doing "mkfifo foo", I got a file
called "foo|" in my directory with permissions of "prw-------", and I
can't seem to get rid of it.  I made some feeble attempts to write
things to this file and read them back from another program, but these
were met with "Syntax errors" (from the shell??).  Anyway, I'd like to
know the particulars on these "named pipes" and also how to get rid of
them.
Thanks..
-- 
Rob Coleman ][ gt0449a@prism.gatech.edu        ][  "I think I'm going bald!"
Comp. Sci.  ][ Georgia Institute of Technology ][        -Rush/COS
From: ttoronyi@server.uwindsor.ca (Tibor Toronyi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Green Horn needs help
Date: 24 Jul 1992 17:12:43 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

As the subjects states, we are new to this.  I've used Unix on Sun and SPARC's
but never on PC.  I've resently be able to gain some speed, PC wise, by getting
the following.

   486-33 4Meg
   ATI VGA Wonder XL 1Meg with DEXXA mouse
   Western Digital 210MB IDE
   Colorado Jumbo 250 Internal

Is this adequate?  Will Linux have problems configuring some devices or the
hard driver?

I've been reading some of the articles, downloaded a number of files (boot,
root images), read a few README files, and FAQ's.  Can anybody tell me or point
me to ftp site, or e-mail me a set of installation instructions.  I've already
read some things but like I stated GREEN HORN, most of the stuff is greek to me.
I already have a full time job so I don't want to spend months installing
patches, setting devices, and ports and so on.  If I may indulge a little more,
thank you, I've read that Linux and DOS can survive on one system.  Would the
210MB be enough for this?  What would be good partition sizes?

Thanx in Advance

TT

E-mail: ttoronyi@cs.uwindsor.ca
From: sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Sys V curses and applcursorkeys
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:34:14 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: jstump@vnet.ibm.com's message of 20 Jul 92 11:53:03 GMT

> 
> 2. I understand WHAT 'setterm -applcursorkeys on|off' does, but WHY? Could
> someone enlighten me as to what the motivation for obtaining different code
> sequences for the keys is?

I think the "why" is to make it compatible with a VT100.
One advantage of having it set is within emacs.  If you set
application mode on you can use the keypad keys "/", "*", "-",
"Enter" and so on (they become distinct from the ordinary keys).
In numeric mode (application off) the keypad Enter looks like the
normal Return key.   This is assuming you have a 101 key keyboard.
From: hyvatti@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jaakko Hyvatti)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: vt100 lines character set
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:16:30 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Jul23.184517.21416@ncsu.edu> doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House) writes:
>On occasion, the character set on my console changes to a bunch of
>vertical and horizontal lines.  This is, it seems, a result of issueing
>the incorrect sequence of control characters to the terminal.  How can I
>get it to go back the way it was?  I suppose this is a common problem,
>no?

  It's the graphics character set, and is switched to with ^N, and
is cleared by ^O. (Actually not exactly, but on Linux consoles
usually does the job. Consult your vt100 handbook on details.)

  So, in shell type

bash$ echo <ctrl-V><ctrl-O>

  or just press <ctrl-V><ctrl-O><enter> to output a ^O character.
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From: barstad@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwayne Barstad)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Where to find Linux / Requirements for Linux
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:58:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19328
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota State University

I am thinking of instaling linux on a 40 meg drive in my pc and would like to 
know a few things.

	1.  Will 40 meg be enough.  For the system and probably GCC.
	2.  I will be running it on a Packard Bell 386sx 16MHz.

	3. I have already gone to banjo.concert.net to try to obtain the things
	   I need but that site is such a mess and so repeditive in thier files
	   I prefer to go elsewhere.       

Please let me know of any problems with my configuration, and sudgest a good
ftp site to aquire the neccesary things from.

Thanks,

Dwayne
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From: hedrick@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Slip and tcp/ip
Keywords: help
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:00:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mschruf@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael M. Schruf) writes:

>	SLIP works fine with KA9Q, but I noticed that no more than one user
>at a time can start up 'net'.  Is that a peculiarity of my system?  If not,
>is there anything I can do to allow several users to 'telnet'?

No.  The problem is that multiplexing is being done at user level
rather than in the kernel.  That is, if you want several telnet
sessions to go through one connection, somebody has to combine the
connections into one stream, keeping track which bits are for which
connection.  In the normal BSD TCP/IP implementation, this is done in
the kernel.  This allows many users to run utilities that share one
Ethernet or modem.  (Indeed if you read an operating system text,
you'll find that having multiple users share a device is one of the
primary responsibilities of an operating system.  It should not be
surprising that if the OS doesn't support something, and we have to
deal with the device in raw mode at user level, that the sorts of
coordination normally provided by the OS would be missing.)  Because
we don't have kernel support (yet) for TCP/IP in Linux, KA9Q does it
entirely at user level.  Thus there is a single program -- net --
which does both what the kernel does under BSD and what all the
utlities like telnet and ftp do.  It takes over the modem line just
like Kermit or any other communications program.  You can't have
multiple users running KA9Q over the same modem line or Ethernet,
because there would be no way for the multiple copies of KA9Q to
coordinate which one gets which bits coming in the modem.

If you have several modems, it would be possible for to have a
different user running a copy of KA9Q on each one.  In this case they
would be completely separate -- each user would have to use a separate
IP address.  They would each have to connect separately to systems at
the other end running SLIP.

It would be possible to make KA9Q run as a server, such that multiple
people can share it.  I haven't done this because I keep hearing
someone is coming along on the Berkeley networking code.  If there is
reliable information that the Berkeley networking code is not going to
be installed, I would put some more time into KA9Q.  But this stuff
really belongs in the kernel, or at least in some special process with
a special relationship with the kernel.  Thus I'd hate to see much
more work go into what should be a temporary implementation. 

I believe KA9Q is adequate for individuals who want to use it as end
users, particularly over SLIP.  If you've got a machine you want to
use as a network server, particularly if it's on Ethernet, KA9Q is not
likely to provide all the facilities you need.
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anyone done bc?
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:57:18 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>Last night using linux I realized how much I use bc. Has anyone done a
>port, or is there even a free version? Seems there was a GNU version,
>but it may only have been dc.

There is a GNU bc, or at least it is called bc.  Can't remember whether
I've ported it, but I do have the source.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Splitting the comp.os.linux group
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:44:09 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

unixsys@ssg.com (Rick Emerson) writes:
>wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>> Why is it necessary to have the persont to do the RFD and CFV to be in
>> the US?
>
>Chauvenism aside, beats me!  I suspect this was a well-meant comment from
>someone who doesn't understand why there are a lot of .fi's and .FI's in
>incoming mail here.  <grin>

I thought something like that.

There is no reason that the poster of the RFD needs to be in any
particular part of the world or under any particular domain.  He only
needs to follow the guidelines.  Which means that I could do it (and I
don't pay for Usenet access, since I am a student and use the
university's networking), but since I am mostly opposed to the idea, I
won't.

So what's it gonna be, splitters?  _DO_ you really want a split of
comp.os.linux, or do you not?  If you want it badly enough, post an RFD,
and get the ball rolling.  It isn't going to happen by itself, and I am
under the impression that any discussion before an RFD (and probably
outside of news.groups) is going to be wasted, as far as the guidelines
are concerned.  So do something, or let the thread die.

Post an RFD, or stop wasting everybody's time with splitting discussion.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux