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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Glasses and goggles
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:07:05 GMT

In article <2OCT199210573182@muvaxa.rferl.org> brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride) writes:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Quick question:  as a rider who wears glasses (unfortunately I can't wear
>contacts) I was wondering if anyone has heard of a company which sells goggles
>which can fit over glasses?  Do such goggles even exist?  Thanks in advance.
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Richard Brock                            Internet: BROCKR@RFERL.ORG
>System Manager                           Work Phone : 011-49-89-2102-3777
>Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Inc.     Home Phone : 011-49-8086-8455
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>
>                               A man will rise
>                               A man will fall
>                         For the shear sake of love
>                          Like a fly from the wall
>                                    -U2-
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There are many (ski) goggles that can fit over glasses (depending on the size).
There are also wrap-around sun glasses by Oakly, Bolle and USA Sport (and others
I am sure) that can be fitted with a prescription lens.  The Bolle are the
cheapest to fit, and the Bolle Edge looks a lot like a goggle.

-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
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From: wells@zach.fit.edu (James M. Wells)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:27:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

>> So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
>> showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
>> than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?

For me, showers are an absolute pre-requisite.  Without them, I wouldn't
even consider commuting by bike.  Fortunately, here we have the usual
phys ed facilities of a university.  I park my bike outside my office door
in the lab.  My route is not particularly safe, but I'm careful.

-- 
James M. Wells, Florida Institute of Technology
150 W. University Blvd., Melbourne, FL 32901. +1 407 768 8000 x7285
wells@zach.fit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Demise of the touring bike? (was re: Comments on Bridgestone?)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:42:06 GMT

amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:

>In <1992Sep24.092208@rugrat.cbm.dec.com>
>  yon@caboom.enet.dec.com (David A. Yon) writes:

>>   So...  Any thoughts from people on the future of touring?  Are bike
>> salesman really brainwashing hoards of cyclists into buying mountain bikes
>> when a touring bike would be more apropo?  . . .

>Apparently Mountain Bikes meet many peoples need for bicycling and
                                             ^^^^
Needs are, of course, wonderfully flexible, with the proper marketing
forces one could probably convince peeple that they REALY need penny
farthings (big wheels are, of course, much better a handling pot holes, 
perhaps Shimano could do such).

>touring bicycles are on the fringe.  
>                                         Touring bikes are becoming a
>special item, like tandems, and few shows bother with them.  The ones
>that do will hopefully enjoy a long and profitable partnership with
>their customers.  If enough people ask for touring bikes, shops will
>try to find ways to meet the demand.

A vision of how the touring bike is to be reborn:  1) conception has
already taken place, the hybrid bike.  2) the world discovers that
knobby tires on pavement aren't as efficient as smooth tires.  3) the
world discovers that low pressure tires are more work than high pressure
tires.  4) the world discovers that drop bars are more comfortable over
long distances than upright bars.  5) the world discovers that a lower 
bottom bracket is more stable in a heavily loaded bike than the high 
bottom bracket on a MTB.  6) the touring bike is reborn as the LDLRB, 
i.e., a Long Distance Loaded Road Bike.  A miracle takes place, all of 
those people who had Ten Speed Racing Bikes and then had Mountain Bikes 
and then had Hybirid Bikes now have Long Distance Loaded Road Bikes, 
which, like all the other bikes, sit in the garage (execpt for that 
really nice weekend in June when they get taken out of the garage to be 
ridden, except that the tires are flat, so they get put back in the 
garage) until the world discovers that what they need is a Light Long 
Distance Loaded Road Bike (which is remarkably like the old Ten Speed 
Racing Bike, except that the tires aren't flat).  

Robert Lewis
From: thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:30:33 GMT
Organization: Thomas Driemeyer, Berlin

In article <9210020537.AA07573@mcs.drexel.edu> upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu) writes:
>Do Kevlar tires really prevent flats?  My cat recently used my tire as a
>scratching post, so I need new tires.  Previously, my tire would go flat about
>once a week due to glass, staples, and thorns.  If I switch to Kevlar tires,
>would the number of flats be reduced?

No, not really. The Kevlar strip is too thin and too narrow in the tires
I tried, and I've had the tread come off on one. Apparently it's difficult
to bond rubber to Kevlar.

If you don't mind the extra weight, use Mr. Tuffy's, and use a size or
two above the recommended width. Thorns never seem to enter exactly in
the center of the tire. Don't worry about the Kevlar edges chafing on the
tube.

Thomas
-- 

--
Thomas Driemeyer        thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de        voice: +49 30 8924936
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lynch@spiff.stanford.edu (Bill Lynch)
Subject: Custom Biking Shoes?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:32:11 GMT


Has anyone ever attempted getting custom bicycling uppers?  I've
destroyed the uppers on my cheap Time shoes fairly quickly, and was
thinking that the soles are still perfectly good (and the same as all
other Time soles, I think), and possibly I could get a custom-made
upper for little more than the price of the more expensive new Time
shoe.  Thus, I could end up with a better fit, choice of
colors & materials, etc.

On the down side, I'm not likely to find many people who have made
custom bicycling shoes, or understand that the stresses are in all
sorts of unusual directions compared to running shoes.  I will be
heading off shortly to a nearby running-shoe repair place to see what
they have to say, but who knows.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there had ever tried anything
like this, and would have any comments or suggestions?

Bill
lynch@spiff.Stanford.EDU
From: tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: New Idiot In The Group
Keywords: Nugent, Halen, GWAR
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:42:13 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@atc1.UUCP (Tod J Johnson)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

Ladies and Gentlemen;

	I was fortunate enough to read a crosspost from rec.motorcycles
and am interested in mountain biking. I took it up this year and am 
pretty psyched about it in general. I few questions....

1) Is there a rec.mountainbike, or is this the place??
2) Does anyone know of me from rec.motorcycles??

   if no - My name is Tod, how are you??
   if yes - I promise to behave and post real stuff. Don't tell them 
            anything.
3) I got a TREK 930 with Shimanno clippless. Anyone have anything good
   or bad to say about the TREK 930??
4) Who else thinks Deniro should have beat out Irons for the Oscar??

Thanks In Advance;

Tod J. Johnson
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:34:14 GMT


When I advocate bike commuting around here (in Illinois, USA), one of the
things people seem to worry about is "how do I take a shower after I ride
to the office?".  Well, we do have limited shower facilities here, but I've
never used it since I have never found it necessary.  By dressing properly
for the weather and allowing a cool-down portion towards the end of my ride,
I can usualy arrive without being drenched in perspiration.  Perhaps I'm just
lucky that I don't sweat as much as most people, but I suspect in many parts
of the world, especailly the developing countries where bikes outnumber cars,
showering is not even an option for bike commuters.

So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
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From: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bob N Keenan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.forsale
Subject: ***NASHBAR BIKE HELMET FOR SALE (BRAND NEW)****
Date: 3 Oct 1992 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

FOR SALE
--------

I have an unused (brand-new never worn) NASHBAR bike helmet I dont
need any more.  I have covered it with racing  stickers so it wouldnt
be just bland plain red.  Its size MD/LG (Nashbar measurements) 
I think I paid like $39 for it, Ill sell it for $25 + shipping.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Bob N. Keenan                     | disclaimER?? I don't even 
~ University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee | KNOW HER!!!            
~ bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu              |                         
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From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart T Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:18:14 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


Over here, at this time of year, we shower DURING commuting trips.
Your climate may vary.

My daily journey is 9km each way, round-trip time of 30 minutes.
I've never yet felt the need to shower afterwards.  As for the route,
it is mostly dual carriageway with several roundabouts.  There is a cycle
route from the centre of town to the University which is completely isolated
from traffic.

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"I go out walking after midnight, searching for you..."
  -Patsy Cline
From: tocherd@ul.ie
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: : Track wheels
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Sep28.222656.27277@nas.nasa.gov>, border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border) writes:
> marla@sherman.samsung.com (Marla Fendley) writes:
> 
> It's pretty easy to convert a road-wheel into a track wheel.  Sometimes you
> can just take off the freewheel, spin on a track cog (the threads are the
> same) and go.  Chances are, this will yield a sub-optimal chainline though.  

If you are riding a fixed wheel cog then you *MUST* have a locking ring to 
prevent the cog undoing when slowing the bike via the pedals. Hubs used to have
a plain threaded side for a freewheel block and on the otherside a threaded 
section with smaller diameter section threaded with the opposite hand for the 
lock ring. I haven't seen hubs as above for years.

David Tocher,
Dept of Maths,
University of Limerick,
Ireland
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: New Vitus road bike
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:46:00 GMT
Organization: Radio Free Europe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  Hi all,

 Just thought I drop a line to let everyone know that I am now a very happy
owner of a Vitus 992 road bike (alu-frame) with Campi Chorus Ergo gruppo. 
This machine hums up hills, down hills and all-around.  I've not yet noted
any flex in the frame (any give really) and it seems quite rigid.  Colorado
Cyclist did a very nice job assembling the bike and the gear shifting was
set perfectly.  So, I have 3 weeks vacation coming up starting this thursday
and you know what I'll be doing!


  Cheers!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:05:06 GMT

>In article <9210020537.AA07573@mcs.drexel.edu> upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu) writes:
>>Do Kevlar tires really prevent flats?

>
>In my experience I get as many flats with kevlar belted tires as the with the
>regular tires. It appears that once a thorn or shard of glass gets into the
>rubber it stays there until it works its way through the kevlar. I suspect
>that the kevlar only serves to slow down the process of the thorn or glass
>puncturing the inner tube over regular tires. I know others claim to have
>significantly reduced their flats by using these tires but that has not been
>my experience.

I have had excellent luck with kevlar tires.  Possibly it depends on the brand
of tire you use and how tightly woven the kevlar belt is.  I use specialized
touring II/K4 tires.  I have commuted 13 miles round trip over city roads
pretty much every day for the last 3 years.  Last winter I switched to 
Panaracer knoby 700c tires (better traction in the snow).  I can count the 
flats I have had on one hand, only one from glass.  The rest were from various
forms of metal debris.

Once I tried some Michelin touring tires (700cx35, not kevlar) and was getting
frequent flats.  I switched to the kevlar tires and the flats stopped.

A long time ago, I used something called "tire savers".  They were
this little loop of metal that attached to your break bolt and floated
over the surface of your tire as you rode.  This also worked great
because it would scrape off the glass before it had a chance to work
itself into your tire.  You might be able to find them in a bike
store.  I know I have seen these in the Loose Screws catelog.  They are
quite cheap, but really only work with smooth tires.

Karen Walrath
MIT

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rmorey@utrcv1 (Randall Morey)
Subject: Re: making unicycle - advice/book loan?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.200846.6601@ohm.york.ac.uk>, jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes...
>Hello all
>	I'm interested in making a unicycle, and am
>looking for advice from the net.
> 

There are many books available about building and riding various
unicycles and stunt bikes from the Unicycling Society of America.
You can reach them at the following address:

Unicycling Society of America
PO Box 40534
Redford, MI USA 48240
(313)661-0334

Also, 

International Unicycling Federation
16152 Kinloch
Redford, MI USA 48240
(313)537-8175

------------------------------
Randy Morey
United Technologies Research Center
East Hartford, CT USA
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:15:44
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<alanf.717212253@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: alanf@cs.monash.edu.au's message of 23 Sep 92 01:37:33 GMT

>> [Discussion regarding motorists who demand that cyclists
>> "get off the road".]
> You should understand that in a democracy there are
> differences of opinion. . . . Just because the law
> is not on their side doesn't mean they don't have a
> right to their opinions.

=o= This is all true enough, but you're missing the very
important fact that the motorists have the means to threaten
cyclists with lethal weapons -- their vehicles.  This makes
the interaction less equal:  less democratic.

=o= (Also, while the law is nominally on our side, the
implementation is not.  That is, the roads and traffic
regulations are implemented with little to no thought for
the needs of cyclists.  Ditto for enforcement, at least
in my experience.)
    <_Jym_>
__
I am less interested in what the definition is.  You might
argue technically, are we in a recession or not.  But what
there's this kind of sluggishness and concern -- definitions,
heck with it.
    -- President George Bush.
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet Cyclometer
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:56:28 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

Roger Marquis writes:
>I though Avocet had taken care of their quality control problems a
>while back but recent experience makes me think otherwise.  First my
>model 40 develops display problems after 16K mi. 

My Avocet 40 developed display problems after 3K miles or so.
The contacts to the LCD display were bad.  

Just another data point...

>Don't get me wrong, I think the Avocet design is the best (except for
>the buttons activating on _release_).

And the lack of an easy way to clear all functions at once.

--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: making unicycle - advice/book loan?
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:08:46 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Hello all
	I'm interested in making a unicycle, and am
looking for advice from the net.

I know there is a book by Tom Wiley (`making unicycles
and artistic bikes') but my library is having trouble
finding a copy. If there is anyone in the UK who would
be willing to lend me a copy for a week or so, I'd be very
grateful.

Otherwise, any experiences welcome. I have access to welding
equipment etc., and am interested to know if anyone has tried
using MTB (straight) forks, turning their own hubs,
bearing & fitting, saddles etc. In fact, the lot!

The idea is that I would like to spend a small amount
of money making my own nice (smooth, light,...) unicyle
than spend a fair bit for one of the cheaper Pashleys (say)

	any replies emailed preferably - 
	I'll post if there's interest

	thank you
		john N
 
-- 
john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics  University of York
Heslington   YORK YO1 5DD U.K
NEW PHONE! Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Super light stuff
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:18:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpEE9.AJI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois) writes:
>In <Eemoni_00WB=4ZRVQF@andrew.cmu.edu> cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher L. Morrow) writes:

>>Following what another memeber of this BBoards audience posted:
>>Getta Mission Control..
>>Anyway, I have never heard of one, (a mission control) breaking...
>I sent a Mission Control with a few half inch cracks, back to Klein
>this April.  No problem, they replaced it.  They have also, repaired
>and paint my Attitude twice and replaced it once with a new frame.
>I love the way the bike handles and rides.  I love the Klein 
>If Klein thinks that their frames and components will last me
>a life time or 1,000,000 miles, great.  I've proved otherwise by
>having 3 frames and 1 Mission Control fail by using the products
>for what they are intended.  All this occurred in 1 1/2 years.
>I know in my lifetime Klein will be replacing my frame again.
How long did it take Klein to repai and/or replaces your frame?
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:04:03 GMT

andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com (Andre Giroux # let me outta here) writes:
 
As others have pointed out, there is little point in responding to the
sort of person simply cruising through this and dropping vendictive
morsals of ignorant opinion.  However, the content of the posting does
merit some analysis.

>What I am about to say maybe offending to some riders but it remains a true fact.
>bicycles do not belong on heavy traffic roads. A nice ride in the country is the real
>road bike use. streets are for cars. I understand bicycle is a mean of transport for
>a lot of people. Bicycles sould be used on bike roads. there are more and more of 
>these. 

In case anyone doubted that bike lanes/paths were not part of the agenda
of many motorists to get us off of the road, and quite unrelated to
either the safety or convenience of cyclists, need simply read the above 
section over a few times. 

>I just think bikers are already invading a territory designed for car use, AND
>are expecting them to be *kind*. A bike once hit my front fender with his pedal.
>I was not stopped, not my fault ! . Not amusing....Plus a bike in town WITH 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>cars is a moving target to me.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Simply his way of reemphasizing my above contention.

>andre

Like all obscene phone calls they never leave their name and number.

>PS : bicycles belong in a mountain..., but it's very personnal....

To be added to the often noted occurance of someone with a bike rack on
the back of their motor vehicle who hassles you, the fact that people
own bikes doesn't mean they see them as anything other than one of their
many toys (and one which gets considerably less and less serious use
than the Nintendo).

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: clipless pedal options
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:24:10 GMT

In article <16035@mindlink.bc.ca> Gerry_Furseth@mindlink.bc.ca (Gerry Furseth) writes:
>One more vote for "I can't ride without Time."
>Time pedals are the difference between the couch and climbing on the big
>chain ring.
>

Could some please tell me why Time is so great?  I am new to clipless pedals,
my Trek 5200 came with Look 196(?) Carbon pedals.  Why are the Time superior?
I also saw a Mavic pedal where you could adjust the amount of heel rotation
from 0 to 10 degrees (in 1 degree increments).  I thought that was pretty
cool.  It certainly could make it easier to get out of these beasts.  Of course
they did weigh about 500 grams which is about 100grams more than the Look or
Time (400grm)


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Comments on Bridgestone?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:53:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <BvAo4q.H7w@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
  tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>                               . . .  The Suntour brakes sound like a
> good idea.  I'd prefer them over the Dia-Compe 300's on my bike.

I thought that Dia-Compe makes the brakes for Suntour.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com