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From: cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (S. Parthasarhathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Solution to Ayodhya problem, by TN chief minister.
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:30:41 +1100
Organization: Dept. of Chem. Engg., Monash University, Australia

In article <Bz0LyH.CEu@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
(Srinivasan K.) writes:

> In article <1992Dec9.202916.5285@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
 
> > I do not understand why and how the issue, which you rightly point out
> to be irrelevant to Tamil Nadu, should get so much involvement from the
> politicians.
> 
> Why should DMK ask for 0.5% reduction in GNP (another term for 1 day bundh)?
> Why should ADMK, oppose it or support in magnanimously?

simple. political gains ;-)

> Is DMK good because they recommened this reduction of GNP?
> Would Jeya deserve more credit for supporting it?

nope. because the inherent intentions of both do not have any thing to do with
what happened in Ayodhya (imo highly deplorable by any standards) and riots
that followed.

reductions in GNP ? silly stuff :-). DMK is worriedabout much more important
issues like how to grab power in TN so that they finish the incomplete JOB
(meaning swindling TN people) and how to score political points over
Jeyalalitha etc and here u r -- sitting in western hemisphere -- trying to
divert their attentions to reduction in GNP and all that ;-). how dare you :-)
? (Jeya isn't any better)
 
> How about if Jeya and DMK taken opposite sides of the issue, and cost
> Tamil lives, in addition to property?

when in comes to political bundhs -- in which each want to grab their share --
both will concur for sure. they oppose each other only when one is going to
score a point at the expense of other (have you heard the indian crab story of
Kushwant Singh ?). then again, it is TN politics.
 
> I would have credited both, if both recommended no bundhs, and recommend
> to work harder to donate for the 400 who are dead in the rest of India.

hmm. i think ur expectations are very high ;-). do you sincerely believe that
these guys are going to do some thing constructive and at the same time helping
others in distress ? it is double negative as far as indian politics is
concerned. 

ParthaSarathy
ChemEngg

PS: hi. KS. read my comments with as many smilies as you want.
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Forgot part of a poem
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:29:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47314
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Can anyone complete this verse about marutham?

	poNGgaril nuzhainthu vaavi

	pugunthu paNGgayam thuzhaavi

	paiNGgadi mullai ......

	marutham veetrirukkum maathO

I don't remember the name of the poet.

Partha sarathy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: The Foxes and the lion: A story
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:13:16 GMT

Long long ago, a pack of foxes lived in a cave. Most of them
were brown. The rest were black.

After the local lion's hunt, they used to go as a whole
group and managed to chase the lion away. Then had all the prey
to themselves. There was no shortage of food for the foxes.

Lion was unhappy and all foxes were happy.

Then one day, an old brown fox, remarked, "Look, those black
foxes are grabbing a larger share than us." Some of the
foxes, black and brown, indeed were having a larger share.

Some foxes said, "Why bother, we all have enough to eat."

Some others said, "Let us force all the black foxes to marry
brown foxes, so that all will get mixed, and there will be
no difference".

The old brown fox said, "If we chase all the black foxes away, we will
have even more food."

Some were convinced the idea was good, then they created more support
to their idea, by showing, how several of the ancestors of the
black foxes, had in fact helped their enemy lion, in its hunt, for which
the lion had rewarded those few foxes generously. Some others
were quick to point that the black foxes should have come from
somewhere else some time.

Anyway, the enemity between the brown and black foxes increased.
Some black foxes left, taking their 'lion chasing technical know how'
with them. The other brown and black foxes lost their affinity and
started thinking, "why should I work hard for the others."

The foxes no longer had sufficient strength as a group to chase the
lion away. They were forced to settle for the left overs, after the
lion had its heart's content. Then the brown foxes realized, something had
to be done, to get some food. So they being the majority, introduced
a law, according to which the brown foxes would get the first choice
of the lion's left overs. Whatever still is left could be consumed
by the black foxes.

Lion was happy and all foxes were unhappy.

K. Srinivasan   at Hydro Quebec  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Yuga purushan !!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:10:57 GMT




In article <1992Dec11.203629.21640@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue
.edu writes:
>In article <47058@ogicse.ogi.edu>, kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikant
h) writes:
>|>
>|>            DECEMBER 11
>|>            -----------
>|>
>|>       Oru yuga purushan piRandha naaL !!
>|>       ----------------------------------
>
>    [Lot of interesting Barathiaar kavithaigal deleted ...]
>
>
>"Baarathiyaar ..., inthap Baarathi yaar?
> paavukke saarathiyO,
> paar athirap paadiathaal
> avan peyar BaarathiyO ...
>
> nimirntha nannadai,
> nEr koNda paarvai,
> kariya meesai,
> karjikkum kuralosai,
>
> pongi varum aruviyena
> solladum thiRam,
> peNmayin perumaigalai
> pathugakkum aRam,
>
> ivanthan paattukkoru pulavan Baarathi"


     Good one Ramesh,


>
>
>Does anyone know the remaining line(s) of the following
>poem and who wrote this poem on Baarathiyaar?
>
>"paattukkoru pulavan Baarathiyadaa
> avan paattaip paNNOdoruvan paadinaanadaa
> kEttuk kirukiruththup pOnEnadaa
> antha ________ ennavendru solvenadaa"  (correct this line!)
>
>

  "anthak kirukkil uLaRumozhi poRuppayada"


S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Zombie Dude)
Subject: Re: Question on Periyar's ancestory
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.001454.27308@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>
>In article <kat.724632075@kehleyr> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurth
>i) writes:
>
>>>   This was the first time I heard such a thing about Periyar. If
>>>   he had really said that then I have no doubt in my mind that
>>>   Periyar was a thevidiya paiyyan. As simple as that. His mom
>>>   was a whore.
>>
>>>J Anand.
>>
>>
>>         How good a @@@@@ is the present ruler of TN whom some people
>>support but oppose periyaar. Periyaar was born in a respectable family
>>in Erode. Ask about your leaders parents.
>>
>>kathiravan
>
>
>     I should not follow up this kind of dirty crap.  So no comments about
>Anand's natural way of speaking or your spontaneous rebuttal.

	What makes U say it my natural way of speaking ?

J Anand.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sbarrkum@engws9.ic.sunysb.edu (Se kumarakulasinghe)
Subject: Re: No future for brahmnis in TN (was Caste based magazines)
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.211432.16827@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan) writes:

>I think brahmins can do more from abroad for the welfare of the poor cousins in
>TN. Though I do not know or believe in TAMBRAs a similar organization to uplift
>brahmins in TN should be formed (Thamizha ina unarvu koll) and I do not find
>anything wrong with that (like chettiar sangam or vanniar sangam).

Sounds like the seeds to start another LTTE. Thats how it all started in Sri
Lanka.  The educated tamils who had emigrated and considered "reverse
affirmative action" as an form of discrimination (real or otherwise) started
sending money to organisations that were against the powers that be.

Sereno A. Barr Kumarakulasinghe
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 41
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:44:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47379
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"thirundhaadha uLLangaL irundhenna laabam ?
         varundhaadha uLLangaL irundhenna laabam ?
	 irundhaalum maraindhaalum peyar solla vEndum !
	 ivan pOla yaar enRu oor solla vEndum !!"

	From "Kan pOna pOkilE kaal pOgalaamaa..."

	Contributed by Satish Subramanian.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. Anecdotes or personal experiences that
directly relate to the minnal varigaL are also welcome.
----------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Bramin-Controlled media? in TN? Come on Get REAL!!!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:00:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <SUNDARAM.92Dec15124923@me.uta.edu> sundaram@me.uta.edu (Ravi 'Kity Bum' Sundaram) writes:


>	In this thread "tamil films" is mentioned in passing and no one
>	seems to be questioning that.

>	The GRIP of films in TN is so great and unrelenting ...

>	All the CMs aNNa thurai, karunaanidi, MGR, jaanaki 
>	and now jayalalithaa are from movies..

     aRignan aNNaa did not come from pada ulagu. He was a very good orator,
perhaps the best has India ever produced. He got a fellowship from Yale.
(i forgot the name). karuNaanidhi did not start with movies.
MGR_JANAKI_JEYAA ghOshti is from movie and later entered politics
.





>	Ravi Sundaram

 Kathiravan
>____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (PAAGAL)
Subject: Re: CUT THIS CRAP
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:17:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.210120.28383@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rsivaram@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Siva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.203350.25097@vela.acs.oakland.edu> asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (PAAGAL) writes:
>>hi netters
>>
>>I have been reading some real CRAP on Brahminism, Periyarism for the
>>past 10 days, It has degenerated to such a level, That some people
>>on net may even go to the extent of requesting the government to set
>>up a a commission to find out who was born to Which WH***, Which W***
>>is better. {Sorry I Had to use such strong Words,I have been patient
>>enough reading this crap.}
>>
>>Maintain Some Modicum of Decency on the Net.
>>
>>
>>Argue on issues in the right sense, Any Theory or philosophy directed
>>against a particular community is bound to receive inflammatory responses.
>>
>>Periyar has said so many things about tamil literature, Talk about that,
>>Dont' discuss things against a particular community, 
>>
>>Tomorrow some one will start on VANNIYARISM, and talk about social equality
>>Projecting Ramdas.
>>The next Some one will start on PILLAISM, MUDALIARISM, CHETTIARISM, THEVARISM
>>And as much u want as there is no dearth of castes in tamilnadu.
>>
>>My Dear Friends who prompted me to write this, If u still go ahead and
>>continue the crap please go ahead , We would soon see the Soc.Culture.Tamil
>>group with the following SUBJECT LINES 
>>
>>Some examples
>>
>>Sub: Vadkalai Iyengar V Thenkalai Iyengar
>>
>>Sub:  Kurumbu  Goundar vs Vellala Goundar
>>
>>Sub: Kammuvar Naicker vs. {Saada} Naicker
>>
>>Sub: Sengundha Mudaliar vs {wild card} Mudaliar
>>
>>Sub: Vadama Iyer Vs Dosama Iyer
>>
>>Sub: Commati Chetis Vs { Other chettis}
>>
>>Sub: Thevar Vs Agamvudiar
>
>With all the examples you have provided, I can very well conclude
>that you belong to Pillaimar. When you are laughing at various
>castes, you should also be able to laugh at your own caste.
>Otherwise you are a COWARD
>
>Edhilar Kutram Pol Tham kutram Kangirpin
>Theedundo Mannum Vuirku
>
>-Thirukkural

I am sorry to say u are wrong Mr.thirukural Siva

I am  just a  RAJINI'S MOVIE { Manidhan}
>>
>>
>>Please continue this thread
>>
>>Bye
>> 
>>-- 
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>athi			
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>
>
>
>-- 
>
>


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From: manohar@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Fundamental Questions.
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:29:36 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <BzGw2z.82q@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:
> Present Caste based reservation (CBR) in Tamil Nadu:
> 
> 1. Is backward caste synonymous to 'all except Brahmins'? One gets
> that impression as opposition is almost uniquely from Brahmins.
> 
  Sorry for reposting , what I'd wanted to say (and this got cut out from my
previous message ) was that other forward castes in TN like Saiva
Mudaliar and Karakharthar are numerically too insignificant and their
being a minority within the minority of forward castes could be a 
reason why they are not as vocal as the brahmins.

A.Rammanohar

> K. Srinivasan  at Hydro Quebec   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
From: sundaram@me.uta.edu (Ravi 'Kity Bum' Sundaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Bramin-Controlled media? in TN? Come on Get REAL!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:49:23 GMT
Organization: none

>   In article <1992Dec14.231202.8072@umbc3.umbc.edu> murali@venus.cs.umbc.edu
>    (MURALI PANDIAN) writes:
>   >In article <Bz9A3z.Az9@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
>   > (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>   >>
>   >>>I think the middle class Tamils, who are fed with Bramin-controlled media
>   >>>output has a very wrong impression of Periyar and his ideology.     ^^^^^
>   >
>   >>I understand the "most popular" media vehicles in TAMIL NADU are:
>   >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   >>Kumudam
>   >>(Tamil) India Today
>   >>Thina Thanthi
>   >>Doordharshan
>   >>Akashvani
>   >>Tamil Films
>   >
>   >>I would request people to honestly list the TAMIL NADU BRAHMIN control
>   >>of these vehicles today, before making statements of media control.
>   >...
>   >>-ks
>   >
>   >I agree with Meenan Vishnu's statements.You haven't mentioned the following
>   >"most popular" Bramin-controlled media vehicles.
>   >
>   >"Thina Malar"(The worst)
>   >"Thuklak"
>   >"Ananda Vikadan"
>   >"Junior Vikadan"
>   >
>   >
>   >-sm
>In article <BzBA4u.1JM@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:



>   Certainly not in Circulation figures. The top list are indeed those with
>   largest number of copies sold. Everyone knows that. 'Control' has to
>   go with 'circulation' , popularity.
>
>   Please note that I am  NOT discussing the authenticity of the contents of
>   either set of magazines named above. That is a matter of 'opinion'.
>
>   The fact remains that there are many specializing in 'seththa paambai
>   kolvadhu' (Beating a dead horse).
>
>   K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.


	In this thread "tamil films" is mentioned in passing and no one
	seems to be questioning that.

	The GRIP of films in TN is so great and unrelenting ...

	All the CMs aNNa thurai, karunaanidi, MGR, jaanaki 
	and now jayalalithaa are from movies..
	
	And without a strong "pada ulaku" connection it is NOT possible
	to run a "katchi"...

	These guys have been in POWER for 25 years... 

	And they complain about Brahmin Domination of the media...

	K Srinivasan hit the nail on the head with "sethha paambai kollum
	[verrarkaL]"
	The operative word is DEAD. paambu may be open to question.
	Brahmins are DEAD in TN. No use blaming them for the travils of
	TN. 

	First recognise the REAL problem of TN greedy self serving
	politicians and the populance that condones them.	


	Ravi Sundaram
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (a.natarajan)
Subject: Re: Kuram Narayana on Periyar
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:11:24 GMT

In article <BzD04y.AKD@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>In article <BzBr2n.33q@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
> (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>   [ stuff deleted ]
>That apart, I appear to be the only one who pointed out that 'periyar'
>cut 'pooNool' and 'kudumi's. Today's brahmin haters in the net would
>instead cut 'hands' and 'heads'. (Now that most Brahmins do not
>have the former two. Are they still Brahmins by Periyar's definition?).
>
****************************************************************************
*>Fortunately, the Tamil Nadu society at large appears a lot saner than the
*>'few posters' among our 'highly educated youth' bent upon disgracing
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
*>this newsgroup.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*>
*>KS
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*>


The person with the foul mouth DOES NOT disgrace this "newsgroup"!
He/She brings disgrace to him/herself!  A "newsgroup" is a collection of
"grace"ful and "disgrace"ful personalities! So, there is no need to 
lament! Once you know who the repeat offenders are, you simply kill
their articles! There is no need to waste energy on "content-free" NOISE! 
Natarajan at AT&T-BL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: Re: Kuram Narayana on Periyar
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:23:02 GMT

EVR was a racist loser - make no mistake about that.....
RACIST RACIST RACIST LOSER LOSER LOSER - do ya hear me ?

-- 
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3901 N.  First Strasse
San Jose,  CA 95134, 408-943-2719
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: avaL oru thodarkathai!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:35:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

Today I had a chance to watch the movie "avaL oru thodarkathai".
(Yes, my exams were over today.)Nothing to say except "old is gold".
  Sujatha's sister(a widow in the movie) requests Kamal(a singer)
to sing this hindi song stanza twice or thrice:
  naa kOyi umang hai, (There is no enthusiasm)
  naa kOyi tarang hai, (There is no activity)
  zindagi Ek kati-patang hai (Life is a lost kite. Precisely
                                "nool aRuntha pattam")

A very meaningful song. I donno the original hindi movie's name.
Her mother asks why she's interested in that song and she replies
that reflects exactly her life. Yes, in India, this is the situation
of a widow.

  Why KB opted for a hindi song to depict the life of a widow instead
of some tamil song already written or written particularly for that movie? 
Maybe he was very much moved by the hindi song.

  In another song, "kallile eeramundu",
  "neerenRu sonnaal neruppilum vEkum
   neruppenRu sonnaal neerilum anaiyum"
   deserve to come under Srikanth's  "minnal varigal".

For those who have exams still, good luck folks.
And happy holidays.

Cheers
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Silappathikaaram lines
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:10:43 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[ Sorry for the typos in the last mail - SP ]

Sundar Ramamoorthy writes :
> arbi@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (The Dude) says:
>>
>> O vasandha raaja thEn sumandha rOjaa
>> en dhEgam, un dhEsam ennALum sandhOsham
>> en dhaagangal theerndhida nee piRandhayO?
>>
>> men panju mEgangal; un pinjup paadhangal
>> maN thottadhal inRu, sevvaanam pOlaachu

>>arbi
>-- 
>
>  I remember having read in silappathikaaram similar lines when
> iLango describes the beauty of kannagi. Just before marriage she is
> coming to the stage and iLango says her feet were as soft as cotton
> and they became red as they touched the ground. Does anybody out there
> remember and post for the benefit one and all?
> Sundar.R


     The Silappathikaaram line I remember is
  'vaNNach cheeRadi maNmagaL aRindhilaL'
 and it is probable that you are referring to this line.

     I remember this line particularly as this 
 was asked in my school exams for the Tamil subject
 in the question 'idam chuttip poruL viLakkuka'.  
 Without a 'kOnaar notes', I will try to explain this
 line with reference to context here. [ I will use 
 this line in a different context when I start the
 discussion on the net that Selva and I had earlier.
 It will be fair to Selva if I admit right now that
 I am going to use this Silappathikaaram line in
 the same discussion thread later on. :-) ]

   idam (place):   In Silappathikaaram, Kannagi leaves
                   the house with her husband Kovalan,
                   as he plans to start a new business
                   in the great city of Tamilakam, the
                   capital of Pandiya Kingdom, the
                   Madurai.      

   poruL(meaning): 'The mother earth has never seen 
                    Kannagi's colorful feet.' It
                    means that Kannagi has never
                    stepped out of her house and the
                    poet indicates the hard life Kannagi
                    is going to face indirectly with
                    this line. 
                   
     This is some good piece of poetry and Vairamuthu's
  song has some borrowings from this Silappathikaaram
  line. Someone referred to the Vairamuthu's song
  'raaththiriyil pooththirukkum' as a very explicit song
  and pointed out the verse  
    
   S.J. 'veeNaiyenum mEniyilE thandhiyinai meetta

   S.P.B. 'kai viralil oru vEgam
           kaNNasaivil oru baavam'

     This is a copy too. Vairamuthu took these lines
  from the Bharathiyaar's song
    
     'paayumoLi nee enakku 
      paarkkum vizhi naan unakku'.

  In this song, there is a verse
 
     ' veeNaiyadi nee enakku
       mEvum viral naan unakku '

   If you compare these lines with the Vairamuthu lines
  that are given above, you will see that they are 
  similar..

   - SP