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From: jerry@wrs.com (Jerry Fiddler)
Subject: Re: understanding pilot weather reports
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Alameda, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:01:49 GMT

>chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:

>Does anyone out there use air pilot weather reports to find out the
>current wind speeds?  I've used them in the past, but often I don't...

What reports are you using?  If you're looking at written reports, the
response by kak@sequent.com gives the correct outline, and more detail
can be found in the AIM (Airman's Information manual) available cheaply
at any pilot shop.

If you're listening to the reports, what is your source?  There are several,
and they give you different information.  For instance, many airports
have a recorded message meant to give pilots conditions at the airport,
including visibility and wind info, as well as stuff like which runways
are active.  These are typically updated hourly.  There are also regional
automatic information lines, typically run by flight service stations,
which can give info like winds aloft, forecasts, etc.

The language used by the different information sources is pretty much
the same, but the nature of the information they give you is different.

>>For example, are they giving
>>wind speed at mph, kph, or some other measurement?

knots == nautical miles / hour == (I think) 1.1 * mph

>Do they give high altitude wind speeds first, before the ground speeds?

Depends who you call.

-- 
Jerry Fiddler
Wind River Systems
jerry@wrs.COM   uunet!wrs!jerry
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:25:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Contact Lenses, lost items
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>  PS: Where do other people keep their keys?

Around my neck on a short rope with a whistle.  I also keep a spare set of 
keys in a magnetic box hidden up in the undercarriage of my van.  I've used
the spare set twice after good wipeouts when I used to keep them in my
harness.

-Kirk out
From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:11:36 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <74100126@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:

>> Also, does anyone want to recommend a good helmet, or tell me which
>> to avoid?  I guess confort and safety are the key issues, though
>> apparently they aren't rated like bike helmets.

>I think the main thing is to find one that fits so you will wear it.  I
>had to cut down the pads on my XL Primex helmet to fit my head, but now
>it's very comfortable.  I never notice it except when I hear the loud
>"bonk" when I get when I collide with my rig.  Then I just smile. 

>The key is to wear some helmet, any helmet.  There was a guy knocked out
>at Coyote in the 4.5 weather on Friday.  Apparently he came to quickly
>and sailed back in, but getting knocked unconscious in the water seems
>like the easiest way to die in this sport. 


>Ken Poulton
>poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
I was knocked out by the front end of the boom which hit me right between 
the eyes - I obviously(?) came too when I hit the water... wearing a helmet 
gives me a lot of confidence to be more reckless in 4.5 wind or more - a 
really great feeling of freedom! Buy one that the foam liner DOES NOY absorb 
water...
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:03:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I use prescription Polaroid (R)  eyeglasses and am VERY pleased with
them.  I think they are about $60-$100 at For-eyes (something like $49
for the glasses and frames with $20-$40 add-on for Polaroid).  They are
glass and don't scratch.  Don't worry about breaking either, as I've dropped 
lenses off a second story deck onto rocks (fell out of the cracked frame)
and they didn't break (they did chip).  I hold them on with Croakies under
my helmet.

-Kirk out

BTW, Polaroid lenses make it MUCH easier to see gusts coming.
From: kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Subject: Re: Keys and wetsuits
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:44:10 GMT


|> Why, oh why, don't wetsuit manufacturers sew or glue a key pocket  somewhere
|> on their products?  Even a tiny nylon mesh pocket on the inside near the top
|> of a zipper?  Come to think of it, why don't I do this myself?

>  My Body Glove full has just exactly that type of key pocket. I do have to
>  take one arm off to get it out.


I've heard of inaccessible pockets but this is ridiculous! How do you put
it back on?


David Kramer                        |
Dept of ICS                         |
Univ of California                  |      Why do we chop trees down
Irvine, CA 92717                    |      and then chop them up?
                                    |
Internet: kramer@paris.uci.edu      |

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: karim@cs.rice.edu (Karim Esseghir)
Subject: America's Cup
Originator: karim@letaba.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: karim@cs.rice.edu (Karim Esseghir)
Organization: Rice University, Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:03:08 GMT


Hi folks, 

Anybody knows about some TV broadcast of America's Cup events? I would appreciate getting their airing time. The finals are coming up and I haven't yet seen any TV 
report about the regatta.I've heard that in Italy, they have daily reports about it, what about us?
Please e-mail privately as I'm not a frequent reader of this newsgroup. 

-- 
_______________
Karim Esseghir						Office: HB 02
Rice University, Dept. of Computer Science		(W): 527-8750 x2352
Houston, Texas.						(H): 667-8192
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: shef@cuervo.rtp.dg.com (Tom Sheffield)
Subject: Re: Rigging 1992 N. Prizma Sails
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:39:27 GMT
Organization: Data General, Corporate Systems Support 

In article <1992Apr8.183644.13508@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.183417.4139@netlabs.com> gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan) writes:
|> >PS: I also bought a 1992 4.3 Infinity, any advice on rigging that
|> >also appreciated.
|> 
|> Try rigging it on a North wave mast.  IMHO, the carbon and aluminum masts
|> are too stiff for the 4.3.

I agree! I got the red HTF base and that helped a lot with my '91 North Infinity.

-- 
Tom S.
From: bdd0066@zeus.tamu.edu (Bryan, kick the tire and light the fire, Duke)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Keys and wetsuits
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:47:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.131317.23525@spectrum.xerox.com>, damouth@wrc.xerox.com writes...
>Re:  "... have to remove the wetsuit to get the car door open"
> 
>Why, oh why, don't wetsuit manufacturers sew or glue a key pocket  somewhere on their products?  Even a tiny nylon mesh pocket on the inside near the top of a zipper?  Come to think of it, why don't I do this myself?

Beleive it or not, there are manufacturers who put key pockets in.
I have an Oneil wetsuit (about 3 yrs old) that has a handy pouch 
just inside the zipper.

just so you know.

bryan.
From: cisneros@cs.ucf.edu (Jaime Cisneros)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: For sail
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:06:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

For Sale:
      
        - Brand new (and I mean brand new), Fanatic Ultra Mamba 91.

  I am asking $800, which is what I paid three weeks ago for it.  If
interested, send me email to cisneros@cs.ucf.edu.

  Jaime Cisneros
From: michele@sail.tymnet.com (Michele Fabrega)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:32:04 GMT
Organization: British Telecom North America

In article <1992Apr6.143458.10399@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
|> ...
|> My local drugstore has a sunglasses rack.  I look through them for
|> something with plastic lenses (light) that has a "UV" sticker on it.
|> 
|> Now, the problem for me is whether I can trust the sticker.  Does
|> anybody know?

There are two types of UV rays, UV A, and UV B.  I would suggest looking for
glasses that say HOW MUCH of each type of UV rays are blocked.  Sunglasses that
don't block much end up being worse for your eyes, since they enable your
pupils to dilate and accept more harmful rays than if you weren't wearing
glasses at all.
From: rolf@davinci.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in Kauai ???
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:36:59 GMT
Reply-To: rolf@davinci.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department

You can take your wife to Annini Beach on the northeast part of the island.
It's a very protected reef and it has a nice park for picnicing, etc. The
local rental shop, Hanalei Sailboards, is there almost every day with a 
truck full of rental equipment. I've had very good luck with the guys there.
They stock everything from beginner equipment to wave boards.

As for conditions, Annini is apt to be very mild - no swell and less wind than
other more exposed beaches. Unfortunately, Kauai doesn't have much to offer
for the intermediate, but if you're a more advanced sailor there are some
good surf-sailing spots. In June, you should see fairly consistent 15-20 knot
trade winds (usually from the northeast). Places like Tunnels Beach (just
west of the town of Hanalei) and Mahalapu (southeast end of the island) are
supposed to be very good when the wind's right. I've also heard that Barking
Sands (by the military base on the west side) can be outrageous. And given
a good storm, you can often sail the Flats on the east side of the island,
right by the town of Kapaa.

Have fun there - Kauaui is a wonderful place, I wish I was going back again
this year!

---
Rolf Schreiber                              Internet:rolf@ames.ucsd.edu
Applied Mechanics and Engineering Sciences  UUCP: ...!ucsd!rolf
University of California at San Diego       Voice: (619)534-5414
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:04:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Board construction
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>  P.S. Actually the important things are easy to remember: Buy the
>      transition board you can get the best deal on & save the money
>      so you can get a *real* custom board later. :-)

Agreed.  I bought a transition board one August and bought a 9'0" the
following June (about 4 sailing months later); by September I was done
with the transition board for good.  Look for a bargain.


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: America's Cup
From: srgxnbs@grv
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:06:11 GMT
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr9.220308.29838@rice.edu>, karim@cs.rice.edu (Karim Esseghir) writes:
>
>Hi folks, 
>
>Anybody knows about some TV broadcast of America's Cup events? I would appreciate getting their airing time. The finals are coming up and I haven't yet seen any TV 
>report about the regatta.I've heard that in Italy, they have daily reports about it, what about us?
>Please e-mail privately as I'm not a frequent reader of this newsgroup. 
>
>-- 
>_______________
>Karim Esseghir						Office: HB 02
>Rice University, Dept. of Computer Science		(W): 527-8750 x2352
>Houston, Texas.						(H): 667-8192
Here in NZ we get several hours each day, usually the starts are broadcast live
and theres a 1/2 hour review at the end of the day plus misc. interest
programs.
As you are probably aware, NZ has a major interest in the cup from Michael
Fay vs Dennis Connor, Bruce Farrs design of the yachts, and Kiwis crewing
on so many boats.
We're pleased that N.Z. is through to the challengers final and Dennis is
still in the running (ie the America Cubed syndicate didn't shut him out!)
Since N.Z. is comparable in size to San Diego bringing the cup and the 
next challenge to NZ wouldn't do the economy any harm either.
The highlights of the racing so far were NZ being disqualified for touching
the finishing bouy after a very close (metres) win over Italy, Italy or 
France (can't remember which) sailing race with most of bow missing after
pre-start collision, Japan coming in only a couple of minutes behind after
breaking their boom pre-start and dumping it ... sailed without! (says a lot
for the design?)
Anyway, San Diego is demonstrating some very fickle winds which allow upsets
to occur, so it should remain interesting .... just hope its all decided on
the water and not in the courts again!
NZ sails against Italy starting next Monday for the Louis Vuitton (spelling) cup
I suppose the defenders will begin then too. The Italians may try some design
changes.
If you get this and would like to be kept informed let me know
regards
Bruce
From: jerry@wrs.com (Jerry Fiddler)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Re: Contact Lenses, lost items
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:13:39 GMT
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Alameda, CA

>  PS: Where do other people keep their keys?

My seat harness (a Da Kine Speed Flex) has a velcro pouch in the back.
Not waterproof, but fine for keys, a small flare and a few feet of line.

-- 
Jerry Fiddler
Wind River Systems
jerry@wrs.COM   uunet!wrs!jerry
From: osuch@islsun.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: For sale - Need return e-mail address
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:09:04 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

I posted this list of equipment and have received some
replies but unfortunately my mail gets routed to another
network and people haven't put in their return addresses.
If you are interested and do reply, please include your full
e-mail address.  PJ and M. Poole please send me your address.
Thanks.

Gaastra 9.0 sq. m. Racefoil - $299
Gaastra 5m carbon mast - $225
(9.0 sail and carbon mast - $460)
Windsurfing Hawaii clamp-on boom 4' body, complete - $99
Windsurfing Hawaii clamp-on boom 4.5' body, complete - $99
Thule car rack for cars with gutters - $55

Spring is finally here !
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: HELP -- Windsurfing in Hawaii
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:20:08 GMT

Yea! I get to go to the big island (Hawaii) for a whole week on
Friday.  Anybody have any info on where to windsurf and where to
rent?  Which side of the island is better? I'll be staying near Kona.
I can usually waterstart( given some wind), jibe poorly, and have no 
experience with real waves.

Thanks muchly in advance
Andy
wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
wolf@hyetos.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bcristi@novell.com (Benjamin Cristi)
Subject: slalom sail wanted
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Distribution: sfba
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:34:07 GMT

WANTED:
a 4.5 slalom sail, either new or up to 1 year old,
please send replies to:

bcristi@novell.com

Please include your phone number, I'm posting this for
a friend who doesn't have internet or email access.

Thanks in advance,
Ben
From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Great Lakes Fold Songs
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:42:52 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

>Nope.  It was Lake Superior, about 1974.  The Edmond Fitzgerald *WAS*
>the largest iron ore freighter on the Great Lakes until, as the song
>clearly states, she got caught out in a fall gail and went down.
>
>The wreck is shown on the Lake Superior CHS charts, in the north-east
>corner of Whitefish Bay (the south-east end of the lake, near Sault-St-Marie.
>
>Dave.
>
>PS  What's this got to do with windsurfing, anyway?
>	Why not put this in rec.music.folk.lakes.great?
>

This discussion was started by my posting a week  or so back about 
my breaking my booms.  I drifted for over 30 minutes, was cold  and
miserable, heading for the channel, with no idea how long I would
be out there.  It was getting dark, I kept getting colder, and from
out of nowhere I started humming "The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald".
When I realized what I was humming I started laughing.  My mind had
once again amazed myself, correlating  a situation to an old song.
  I was picked up just a few minutes later.

Mr. "Name that Tune".


Mark.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjolicoe@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Pierre Jolicoeur)
Subject: Re: Keys 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:14:55 GMT

I try to wear a swim suit that has a string around the waist and
a key pocket.  I thread the waist string through the one
key I need to get into the car, leaving as much slack as possible
in the string, which makes it possible to place the key in the key pocket.
Although the key has never fallen out of the pocket, I still like
the security of having it threaded on the waist string.
PJ

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: abbottad@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Andrew D Abbott)
Subject: Great Lakes Folk Songs
Reply-To: abbottad@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Andrew D Abbott)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.181133.9251@mlb.semi.harris.com>  
mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
 I was picked up by a boat the channel after 
> 30 minutes of floating around and humming to myself "The Wreck of the
> Edna Fitzgerald".
> Mark.
I beleive it is actually called the "Edmond Fitzgerald" that sank in the  
icy depths of Lake Superior. But, I no nothing else about booms. I still  
use a >5 yr old Mistral tie-on.(eeew!)
--
Andrew D. Abbott| Room BSB 213, phone (812) 877-8778
    Box 200     |    E-mail (NeXT mail accepted):
  Rose-Hulman   | abbottad@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
 Inst. of Tech. +-----------------------------------
Terre Haute, IN | "If you seek a beautful penninsula,  
     47803      |  leave Terre Haute" - me
From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses, lost items
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:53:35 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1484@tymix.Tymnet.COM> michele@sail.tymnet.com (Michele Fabrega) writes:
>In article <29DB5381.3509@ics.uci.edu>, kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer) writes:
>|> 
>|> ...
>|> 
>|> By the way if anyone finds a black plastic Casio watch on the bottom of
>|> Isabella its mine. Set me back at least $10 too.
>
>I lost a nice gold earring, one of my favorites, in the SF Bay, Berkeley marina.
>I learned my lesson; I never sail w/ jewelry anymore.

Speaking of losses, I lost my car keys ( complete key rig) at San Luis
this weekend. I had borrowed a friends TIGA Swift  and was blasting across
the lake when the fin box blew apart. I tried the old trusty harness thru the
back strap to get me home. ( It did work) For the past 4 years sailing, I have 
always kept my keys in my harness pouch however I have never needed to use
my harness as a fin. The good news was that I had my trusty AAA plastic key card
in my wallet. IT is not recommended for ignition use but I decided to try
it anyway. Worked no problem and I got home safely.

Moral of the story for me, carry my AAA plastic key card when I sail.


gerard

PS: Where do other people keep their keys?
From: matt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Matt Yamamoto)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:15:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Rigging 1992 N. Prizma Sails
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> I just got two new sails yesterday, 5.0 and a 5.5 North Prizma ( 1992). 
> I also bought  the correct mast, North Carbon Base with the 220 Top.
> 
> I spent about an hour rigging the 5.0 last night and think I am missing
> something. I understand that the 1992 sails are controlled by the
> amount of downhaul, no outhaul, however a couple of questions. 
> 
> Should I be able to downhaul the sail so much that the TOP of the sail is
> complete loose? ie wrinkles between batten 2 and 3.

I do not own a North Prisma but most people I know who have modern race
or slalom sails usually rig their sail so that the leach is floppy or at
least loose.  The windier it is, the more floppy you need to make the
leach.

> I downhauled as hard as I could but the sail did not get  that sickly
> loose looking TOP.

I had this same problem with my '92 4.2 Waddell MonoSlalom when rigging
it on the recommended mast (Fiberspar 460/25).  In fact, I pulled on the
downhaul so hard that the EasyRig rigging tool exploded in my hand.  I
contacted Waddell sails to see what they recommended and they advised
using a pulley system that allows a 6 to 1 ratio downhaul instead of the
4 to 1 ration I was using.  Unfortunately, the cleat on my mast base
extension only allows a 4 to 1 ratio.  When I told them this, they
suggested using a 5 to 1 pulley system.  This can be done by tying one
end of your downhaul line to the downhaul sail grommet and then looping
it through the pulleys so as to get a 5 to 1 ratio.  Although this will
allow you to get a little more leverage when downhauling, you must now
have a downhaul line attached to every sail.  If you don't already have a
cleat that allows a 6 to 1 ratio, you can probably install one yourself
or have a shop do it.  If you already have a 6 to 1 cleat and are using
a 6 to 1 pulley system, then I would suggest you get a membership at
Gold's Gym and start doing some of those horizontal rowing exercises :-).

Also when rigging your smaller sails, if you adjust your adjustable sail
top that so your mast base extension is extended as little as possible,
the sail will sit on the higher more flexible part of the mast.  This
should make downhualing a little easier.

Incidentally, when I asked Waddell sails about attaching a micro pulley
to the sail grommet to get more leverage, they recommended against this
because it puts too much stress on the sail grommet.

> My boom is a chinook clamp-on boom, with no out haul the draft is so deep
> the sail is against the boom. DO I need a new boom or should I apply
> some outhaul?. The instructions indicate that no tension should be
> on the outhaul. When they say no tension do they really mean no tension?

When properly rigged, my sails touch the boom near the clew of the sail.
If your sails are touching the boom near the deepest part of the draft,
then it is likely you do not have enough downhaul on the sail.  Downhauling
the sail more will flatten it out.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: 'Gorge conditions - so far? expected?
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:58:41 GMT


---

Hey you guys up in the gorge, how has the wind been?  What's the local
prediction for summer?
My trip to Corpus/South Padre got blown off but I'm planning on heading
up that way this summer (July).  I was just wondering if the winds have 
been as flaky there as everywhere else this year.

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From: dwabra@watson.ibm.com (David Abraham)
Subject: Discount available for Baja Surf Club
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:47:18 GMT
Distribution: rec
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598

I have a 20% off coupon for Baja Surf Club, looks like for one but may
be negotiable for two.  I got it in a race last August and won't be
using it.  The coupon is for full package including meals,
accomodation, rentals, accomodations and activities.  This is worth at
least $150, and I'll let it go for $50/obo.  Any interest?  

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