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From: sd007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Sunil Dixit)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <47369@ogicse.ogi.edu> milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl) writes:

>In article lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>>I don't believe much in eating before you run in the morning.  In my experience
>>my body has stored more than enough calories for me to run as far as 13-18
>>miles first thing in the morning without eating a thing.  I've probably 
>>bonked no more than twice in 100 runs of over 10 miles.  Besides, eating
>>one pancake provides you with maybe 150 calories, which are gone after 1 1/2 
>>miles.
>>
>>Bill
>I don't quite agree with the last.  When you run your digestive tract
>does'nt process food at near the same rate - for one thing you have 
>all that blood diverted to the leg muscles.  That 150 cal. pancake
>might really last two or three times longer.  In fact I find that on
>_really_ long runs it is best to eat more complex carbos. and even
>some fats, so that the energy available from the foods lasts over a
>longer period.  I might also add that 100 calories can make the difference
>between bonking and completing a run. When you're deleted that 100 cal.
>of sugar, chocolate, whatever makes an astounding difference (voice
>of experience talking there).

>milt scholl


Really?  Whenever I eat, actually, *anything* during or just before a long
run, I get sick as hell after about a half mile, and my legs become very
weak, because the body uses an unbelievable amount of energy simply
digesting food.  You can seriously cut down on running efficiency using
energy to do two things like that.  I read in a marathon training book once
that even an anorexically thin runner has enough body fat to keep him or her
going for several *hundred* miles (ignoring muscle fatigue of course).  Even
in runs up to 25 miles, I've only had a problem with dehydration, never
hunger.  Maybe I eat a hearty breakfast.  Who knows?


Sunil Dixit  (which means, "One who is profoundly ignorant of anything
              remotely medical) 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: news@ens-lyon.fr
Subject: Knoxville Running Clubs
Followup-To: From: desprez@ens-lyon.fr (Frederic Desprez)
Reply-To: desprez@ens-lyon.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:42:50 GMT

	Hi,
	I'll be for one month between Feb. and March in Knoxville (Tennessee).
	If anyone knows of any organizations, clubs, races around Knoxville??
	
	Any info would be appreciated...
	Thanks in advance.
	
	Frederic
From: lawrence@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (peter r lawrence    )
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:14:52 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <102121@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
>I have a similar question to the one asked by the 200m track
>person.  I was wondering which lane I have to be in so that
>an integral number of laps equals one mile.  I know that
>a mile is about 1609m so that four laps is damn close to 
>a mile but when I'm timing myself I don't want an approximation
>to the pace.  I realize I can figure out my pace later, but
>I like to know while I'm running.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Diane

The difference between a mile and a 1600m is about 1.5 seconds for good
male runners.  9 meters is about the difference of running 1 lap in lane
2 and the rest in lane 1 (actually still 2 meters short). 
The difference is small enough that you shouldn't have to worry about it.
Just add 2 seconds onto your 1600m time and don't worry about the few
extra feet!

-pete

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:40:18 PST

In article <BzIJtI.7HJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer) writes:
>rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:
>
>>In article <15890051@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jgr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Rohrbaugh) writes:
>>>
>>>Ken Cooper said something to the effect of, "If you are running more than
>>>3 miles 3-4 times a week, you are doing it for reasons other than your
>>>health". 
>>That is absolutely false.  The health benefits from running are greater
>>the more you run, even up to 10 or more miles a day (if you know what
>>you
>>are doing and don't hurt yourself and take care of yourself
>>otherwise).  People always say that you only need to run for about 30
>>minutes 3-4 times a week because that is about the level past which
>>the marginal returns on you running investment decrease most
>>drastically, BUT THEY STILL EXIST!
>o
>For more info on this subject, see the January issue of Runner's World.  In it
>Cooper outlines some guideleines for fitness and percent reduction in causes of
>death versus fitness levels.  Although I don't uunderstand it fully, Cooper's
>22 years of research show that people who run 20-30 miles per week (4-6 days)
>have a 65 % reductio while people who run more than 40 miles/week (7 days) 
>have a 60 % reduction on causes of death.  This would suggest there is some
>sort of law of diminishing returns.

Even if these statistics are true and reliably derived there is no
reason to believe that running more causes people to live shorter.
It is most likely due to some secondary correlation between the
type of people who run a lot and who do something else that might
make them not as likely to live long.  Besides, the whole subject of
longevity is very far from being understood at this time, whereas
the point I ment to make, that the quality of life (as opposed to
quantity) is improved by running is much more thoroughly
understood.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds)
Subject: Need Running Partner in Bethesda
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: md
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:24:45 GMT

Hi netters. I am desperately looking for a running partner for
the Bethesda area. I like to run after work for approximately
40 min, 3 times a week. I'm fairly slow...my 10k time has been
around 53 min when I am in shape.

Ideally it woulld be fun to run around the NIH campus, the
Navy campus and Rock Creek Park for me...though I would be 
dearly happy just to have someone to get me out there  regularly.
Thanks in advance and please e-mail me.

--
****************************************************************************
* James L. Olds Ph.D.                 Neural Systems Section               *
* domain: olds@helix.nih.gov           NINDS, NIH, Bethesda, MD. 20892 USA *
****************************************************************************
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From: compass@cscns.com (Rueben and spiff)
Subject: Tips from Tonga
Summary: Humorous tips from flyers on Tonga
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:01:04 GMT

I received this from some flying partners who recently
moved to Tonga (a small island in the south pacific).
I thought someone else might enjoy it
             -----
     South Pacific Kitelines - Tropical Tips

#1 - Don't bother bringing graphite rods kites to
the tropics -- The trade winds will destroy them.
Bring only rugged kites such as the american "Wizard".

#2 - When flying in local villages, give candy to a few
local boys to keep the flying area free of spectators which
can gather by the hundreds.

#3 - Be sure to paint stand-offs a very bright color -- it
is impossible to find white stand-offs in white sand.

#4 - When flying on the beach, stand in the water to keep cool.

#5 - When flying over the ocean, avoid colors which blend in,
such as powder blue, turquoise, aqua-marine, jade green, etc.
We suggest your kite should be pink, yellow, etc.

#6 - When flying next to the royal palace, be sure to alert 
the royal guards so they can keep the king's grandkids inside 
the palace walls, and assist with traffic jams and crowd control.

#7 - Small american 'tinker toy screwdrivers' will not
secure your kite in the deep sand.  We recommend at least 36".

#8 - Always use 200lb. line - preferably a bright orange.
White line is too hard to see on white sand beaches.

#9 - Reward yourself with a cold tropical beverage at the end 
of long, hard day of flying.  We recommend a mixture of orange,
pineapple, coconut, mango, and of course - rum!
      -- Tani & Kuluki --

Pat Malone - compass computer solutions 
pat@compass.cscns.com 
(719)576-7900
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Quadifoil--new sizes!
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:20:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

For those who may be interested in such news, I found out tonight that
Kite Innovations is now selling two more models of the Quadrifoil--the
Q-10 and Q-15.  I got to look at the Q-10 wh is rather cute, maybe 4'x2.5'.
The visual is just three horizontal stripes, and unlike the 3 original
sizes, the Quadrifoil logo is not silk-screened on it.  I saw the kite
at the annual KAK Christmas party, so I didn't get a chance to fly it.
I talked to Dodd Gross (who usually places in open quad ballet with his
Q-25 routine) about it and he said that it's a fast kite with a bit of
oversteer.  He said it moves sideways much better than the bigger kites,
has very little pull, and takes, as one might expect, more wind than the
larger sizes.  The best part about the Q-10 is that it costs
about $100 *with handles and line*.  While I'm sure the Q-10 is more
sensitive than its big brothers, this may be a good kite to start quadding
with, due to it's very reasonable price.  And of course it's small enough
to be an actual stocking stuffer!

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: NSR wingtip stalls during punch turns..
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:51:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Dec16.012405.45675@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I am having a problem with my NSR. 
>
>Here is what happens:
>     Whenever I try to do a punch turn, I tend to pull the
>     kite out of the sky (even at high winds).
>
>Question:
>     Does anybody else have this problem?  Is this to be expected?

I've always had problems with pulling my NSE's out of the air in turns.
Something about the design is just incredibly easy to stall sideways, and
I've never found a way to tune it out of the kites.

The only thing I can suggest is that you be very careful about how far
you separate your hands during turns.  There's a definitely a point
at which you pull or push too far and the kite loses it.

Jeff



-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flexi prices
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:04:34 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1gtdesINNc7a@rave.larc.nasa.gov> dmg@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (David Grant) writes:
>Speaking of flexi's, I just bought an 8 footer the other day.  It came
>without instructions, so could some kind soul explain how to connect
>my lines to it.


Couldn't be easier.  You want sleeved loops on the ends of your lines, with
*no* *clips*.  At either end of the sail, you'll see a sewn-in loop of
webbing with a metal ring at the end.  Run the kite line's loop through
the metal ring and then larks-head it around the tip of the spar between
the rubber spar tip and the rubber grommet.  That's all there is to it.

If you don't run the line through the metal ring, the sail will bunch up
on the spar.

Jeff
(who hopes you get this e-mail in time to try the kite this weekend...;-)

-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: matt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Hughes)
Subject: Flexi prices
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:41:38 GMT

Can anyone tell me what reasonable prices (in the US, Southern Cal in
specific) are for various size flexifoils? Also, any info on the differences
in handling between sizes would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much,
							Matt Hughes
						matt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:04:55 GMT

In <11325@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:

>Simo says he doesnt have the kit to measure close-ip angles.

(deleted a how to do it description)

>You can of course use simple geometry. Yoy are just measuring an equilateral
>triangle. Dead easy really.

That's what I prefer; two distances, a division and arccos or arcsin.
Much better accuracy than trying to MEASURE the angle directly.
Measuring a distance to a mm is easy, measuring an angle to a degree
isn't.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Stunt kite question
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:37:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: jdc3538@ultb


A recently completed stunt kite flies OK except for one annoying
quirk:  If one line is pulled too far for a turn, the kite goes
parallel to the wind and drops from the sky.

What causes this?  Are there any books that cover stunt kite
construction and behavior?  How about an expert system to predict
how a given kite will fly?  Any hints and tips are appreciated.

Thanks...Jim
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Subject: Re: Flexi prices
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:05:13 PST

In article <1gtdesINNc7a@rave.larc.nasa.gov> dmg@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (David Grant) writes:
>Speaking of flexi's, I just bought an 8 footer the other day.  It came
>without instructions, so could some kind soul explain how to connect
>my lines to it.


Pass the loop on the end of your line thru the aluminum ring that's
attached to the bag of the Flexi, then make a larkshead knot around the
spar _between_ the grommet and the rubber end cap on the spar. Repeat for 
the other side..

Cobra Kites recommends that you tape the spar joints (electrical tape) 
before sliding the spar into the spar sleeve in the bag. This will prevent
the spars from separating in a crash and possibly tearing/puncturing the
spar pocket.

If you'll e-mail me your USnail address, I'll gladly send you a set of Flexi
instructions..


Ob. Disclaimer:

I am a stunt kite dealer and carry some of the above mentioned
product(s). As such, my opinions may tend to be somewhat subjective.


Good Winds and Tight Lines!!

                               Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Stunt kite question
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:46:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Dec21.013743.21060@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin) writes:
>
>A recently completed stunt kite flies OK except for one annoying
>quirk:  If one line is pulled too far for a turn, the kite goes
>parallel to the wind and drops from the sky.

Without trying to sound condescending, the most obvious solution is to not
pull your arm too far back (or to do so slowly so the kite isn't forced
into a stall).  There are actually a number of kites that do this--I have
a lot of trouble with my Extremes for this reason.  The Extreme can do 
very tight angles with a lot of precision, but it takes practice to know
where to move your arm without stalling the kite.

>What causes this?

To some extent, it's the bridling.  One thing you might try is to adjust
the length of your outhaul (aka "static line").  If you look at the bridle,
it should be made of 2 pieces of line.  The clip to which you attach your
flying line is somewhere near the middle of one of the lines, and can
be adjusted.  The third line, usually from the clip to the lower spreader
hence "outhaul" (though on a few kites, including the Phantom and the EFM,
the third line runs from the clip to the t-fitting.  The generic term static
line also covers those situations).  In any event, it may be worth trying
to shorten your outhaul (I may be mixed up, but I think it's shortening that
helps in your situation).  If you can get a look at a North Shore Radical
or Extreme, you can see how they use a loop of line and a nifty hitch to
create an adjustable outhaul.  Unfortunately, it's a bit complex to 
describe in text.  But I do feel it's the best way to have a completely
adjustable outhaul which you can use to fine tune a kite's bridle.

If you do adjust the outhaul, you may also need to move the clip on the 
main line of the bridle...

 
>Are there any books that cover stunt kite
>construction and behavior? 

There are a bunch of books out there, including a few specializing on 
stunt kites.  One of the better books I've seen is the new translation
of "Stunt Kites to Make and Fly" by Nop Velthuizen and Servaas van der
Horst.  Many of the other books which have gotten good review are in
German, with no translations currently available.  However, the plans should
still be easy to follow if you've experience in building stunt kites.

>How about an expert system to predict
>how a given kite will fly? 

None that I know of...

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Rainy weather
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1267@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>Can you fly kites in rainy weather?  This time of year some of the best
>winds are in wet weather (what else do we have?) and I'd hate to have to
>wait till spring to fly again.
>
>I have a Rev II  and a Skynasaur.

Yes you can fly in the rain.  You should note that the kite will absorb
water and become heavy, so reaction time may be a bit off.  Same problem
with lines--they pick up weight.  But I've flown everything from
a Spin-Off to a Tracer to a Quadrifoil Q-50 in precipitory conditions
ranging from a light mist to an actual downpour.  As a general rule,
inflated kites (flexis, quadrifoils, etc.) don't perform as well when they're
soaked.  The Q-50 I was flying (in a drizzle/mist) was giving me problems
on launch because the fabric of the cells had a tendency to stick together
hindering inflation.  Once the kite was full and moving off the ground,
it was fine.

As always, while _rain_ is safe, always be aware of possible lightning.
Never take an unnecessary risk, and don't see how long it takes from the
first time you hear the rumble of a distant lightning strike to the time
the storm actually reaches you.  If you see lightning or hear thunder,
pack up and go home (or find somewhere safe to sit it out).

As you mention it specifically, the Rev II shouldn't give you any trouble
when it's wet.

One last thing--never store a wet kite.  When you get your gear home, 
set it up and let it dry out.

And finally--remember that you're talking about standing outside in a
cold rain.  This is a very good way to get sick.  Bundle up!

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Flexi prices
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:54:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1992Dec16.014138.5733@muddcs.claremont.edu> matt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Matthew Hughes) writes:
>Can anyone tell me what reasonable prices (in the US, Southern Cal in
>specific) are for various size flexifoils? Also, any info on the differences
>in handling between sizes would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much,

DJ Sport Kites is selling 'em at $125 for a 6', ($145 for a Splitz and $170
for a rainbow); $179 for an 8', and $265 for a 10'.  These strike me as 
pretty good prices (by comparison, the 3 sizes are $149, $219, and $329 in the
Into the Wind catalog)

Handling:  the 6' will turn moderately tightly and is quite fast.  A
single won't pull _too_ hard (I've been out in winds gusting into the 40s
with a single 6' on 150# line), but start stacking 'em and things can
get out of hand (in a pleasantly fun way...;-)  I've been dragged by 2 6's
in a 30mph wind (well, until one of my old 110# trainlines broke; I *knew*
I should have used the 200# trainlines I had in my car).  As one might
guess, I've been dragged significantly faster by 7 6's in a 20mph-ish wind.

The 8' still has a moderately tight turning radius, takes less wind, and has
become quite popular since its introduction.  It seems to combine the
best qualities of the 6' and the 10'.

The 10' is real fast and has a huge turning radius.  It also pulls like a bear.
And it takes much less wind to fly than a 6'.

I _strongly_ recommend buying an Ultraflex ultralight spar for whatever
size Flexi you buy.  By changing just the one spar (no vinyls, no bridle,
no hassle), you end up with a kite that has a wind range from ~2 to, well,
something quite high.  Dunno about the larger sizes, but the highest
clocked wind I've flown a stock 6' flexi in were gusts into the mid 50s.

As long as I've gotten this far, I'll also plug the flexi as a kite with 
amazing longevity.  All three of my 6's are now 5.5 years old, and while
all 3 have been repaired to some degree or another (things ranging from 
replaced cell walls to replaced bias-tape loops (the ones holding the
rings through which your lines run)), they all fly as well as they did
when they were new.  This can't be said for my other kites of the same
age--my Hawaiian and my Spin-Off.

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:02:05 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Simo says he doesnt have the kit to measure close-ip angles.
I'll bet he does.

Get a piece of paper, a newspaper will do fine. Lay the kite
on the paper, without spars. Hold the kite flat (a couple
of Phd thesis will do fine) on the paper, and use the leading
edges as a ruller, drawing lines on the newspaper. Take the kite 
away and then continue the lines until they intersect. measure the angle.

Repeat the process with the cross spars in. Yo get two angles, the 
difference being the "close up". Expect to see something around about
12 degrees.

You can of course use simple geometry. Yoy are just measuring an equilateral
triangle. Dead easy really.
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