From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU ()
Newsgroups: ca.politics,ca.environment,ba.politics
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Date: 25 Aug 1992 17:56:06 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu
Keywords: Pollution, Volunteerism, Environment

In article <p028tt0@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <h2=nrt-.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>
>>So, 1. Put the property in private ownership.
>>    2. Sue anybody that fucks with your property. This requires a system
>>       of justice of course where the "sue-ee" does not coercively own
>>       the court system.
>
>I see one major problem with this....  If you put the property in private
>ownership, that owner will fuck up the bay without anyone taking them to
>task.  
>
>Can you think of a single group which could afford to buy the bay who would
>be concerned with the wildlife around the bay, the quality of the water in
>the bay, other people polluting the bay?
>
>
>FWA


The about two points would only make matters worst... Mr. Ronzone is a person
who wants corp to have full ownership and responsibility.  We have already seen
this in terms of lumber companies who clear-cut their privately owned lands,
and in many cases leave them for extended periods of time without replanting.

It is my view that corps don't really want to own the places they are located
because they can damage it, then leave, and let the taxpayer (consumer) pick up
the tab.  Unfortunately the gov't has also learned this trick, and this is
because they get benefits from the corps.  Then we see these responsible companies
go to other countries and dump their waste.

I will still stand by the idea that we do not need more out of control capitalism we
need a fundamental change in philosophy.  But those who benefit the most from a 
capitalist society (and they are the few) want to retain the status quo.  The 
greatest change will have to come from the 'consumer' population, even the name
connotes dependency.  We must stop purchasing materials that have short usable
lives, and get beyond the 'throw away' society concepts.  

Point 2) above is part of this mine mine mine mentality, which in the end gains
nothing for anyone, it only makes temporary gains and satisfaction for the 
one who owns the property.  This is not the 17th century, and we are not lords
and ladys of our dominion.  We must work together and in a unified manner to 
make sure that the environment survives our onslaught.

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| Stephen Hauskins                                          |
| University of California, Santa Cruz                      |
| Departments of Biology and Chemistry                      |
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