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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:07:12 GMT

jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:

>mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
>:)I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir
>

>:)Rating: 8.5 out of 10    Still not enough SF for my tastes....also
>:)the cheesy ending brought it down....'Riding off into the sunset' was 
>:)definitely not needed.

>Ack... I forgot about that when writing my review. I also now remember
>hearing the western-style guitar in the background of the closing music.
>That I could have dealt with, but you're right about the sunset bit.

Oh COME ON!  All westerns end with a ride off into the sunset.  I was
rolling on the floor after that last scene.

Generally, I found the episode entertaining if not particularly
sci-fi.  Then again, it was a nice change from the transporter mishap
trend. ;)
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard as an Admiral - Decline and Fall of StarFleet
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:21:49 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BxIG5M.LuH@Novell.COM> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

>This post should be taken somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely.
>Sometimes Picard really makes me wish they had cloned a few hundred
>Kirks....

Hear hear!!!

It's funny, I was talking to a friend of mine and his girlfriend today
about the episode, and I said "If Kirk had been on board, the Ferengi never
would have boarded the Enterprise."

His girlfriend looks at me, then at him, then says "Drew said the exact
same thing on Sunday when we were watching the show!"

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From: roholdr@ccu.umanitoba.ca (R Ross Holder Jr)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Rascals"
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:34:44 GMT

In <5980.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:

>I've found [Rascal's] to be the most
>enjoyable [episode] so far this season.

>i just loved watching Picard rub his head stepping off the transporter,
>and the comment about being Wesley's roommate.

This is obviously from someone who is easily entertained.  God knows I am
not somone who needs absolute consistency and realism, but an attempt at it
would be nice once in a while.  How Riker lost control of the ship so easily
is truly beyond me.  Had I been in command, there would have been torpedoes
aplenty and none of this "prepare" to fire nonsense.  Further, the shields
buckled just a wee bit too fast - they could handle a prolonged fight with
the Borg before.  Now one wonders why they bothered with shields at all.
And don't tell me that they suffered so _much_ damage with their shields down
that they wouldn't fuction anymore; the Enterprise hull certainly isn't made
out of paper.

I found the episode's humor - at best - no better than that of any other
episode and certainly weaker than in the most recent episode with Q.

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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
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Subject: Re: Is Starfleet Military...no.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:28:55 GMT
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In article <tomcat.721427337@cwis>, tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
> 
> 
> This was discussed at the recent Creation Con here in Omaha by Richard Arnold.
> 
> The idea of Starfleet and the UFP being military was once addressed to
> Gene Roddenberry while on a cruise ship during the early days of the Star
> Trek 25th Anniversary Celebration.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered
> when someone asked this...the person was an "Ensign" in a fan club, and
> an "Admiral" yelled at the "ensign" for speaking out of turn..and Gene
> Roddenberry proceeded to explain to the "Admiral" that Starfleet and 
> Star Trek were NOT military.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered and before
> the situation got out of hand, I believe, Peter Lauritson took the microphone
> from Roddenberry and asked the "Admiral":  This is a cruise ship...with 
> a Captain and a First Officer...is this ship military?  A very good question
> and I think it settled the conflict.  
> I think this kind of ends the subject if Starfleet is military.  Then you
> ask, "Why the weapons?"  Richard Arnold proceeded to answer..."For defensive
> purposes".  
> 
> 
> --
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> |tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
So, let me see if I have this right; the Enterprise is no longer a military
vessel instead it is the 24th century equivilent of "The Love Boat"...hmmm that
does explain alot.....In the old series it was military, and I didn't know that
cruise line could court-marshal crew....
Stephen



















































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From: fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils)
Subject: Some DS9 info requested
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:35:28 GMT

rec.arts.startrek.current,
	I suspect you get enought of these post requesting info
on DS 9.  But her I go anyway.

-could someone with some current info on DS 9 send it my way?
I particularly interested in what the basis of the cross-over
story between the TNG and DS 9 is to be.

-and, what I really wrote about, do any GIF (or any format for
that matter) files exist from DS9?

Thanks much
(e-mail is fine is this subject has been hashed to death in this group)
Doug

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: dubbed voice
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:00:33 GMT

> Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?

It seemed that way to me too, but I was unable to catch a credit for it.
From: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: tartikoff leaving par
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:00 GMT
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Reply-To: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 

as Scott Evans muttered incoherently to All on 11-03-92  08:14...

 SE> approached about doing a STVII but since Tartikoff has left, maybe the
 SE> new powers that will be would get going on a script that Bill has
 SE> written. When he left Richard's, Bill said he would try to get the
 SE> ball rolling on his script. Maybe there will be a STVII after all!!


With another Shatner script??????? AAAAAAAAAHHHHRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
dunno what the circumstances surrounding Tartikoff's departure are, but
he had the right idea in blowing off a script by the man who
directed/co-scripted the worst Star Trek movie in history. A Captain
Sulu Movie, _ANY_ Cap. Sulu movie, even the one with the hypothetical
Ensign (yea I'm a YATI, unless Sulu's about 70, what of it?) Picard!!!

-=.\=-

... In space, lemmings have to shoot themselves.
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: Fistful of Datas
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:14:08 GMT
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Minor spoilers for "A Fistful of Datas" below


In article <1992Nov11.075847.4546@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
>  I only had two problems (and one's not really a problem, and neither has much
>  to do with the episode itself):  (1) I was saddened that Troi smoked.  Does
>  Marina?

Well, it was in character and period...  My first thought when I noticed her
smoking was "Hmm.  I wonder if they can make/replicate stuff to smoke that
has no nasty health/side effects."  Sort of a smoker's version of synthahol?
(Synthobacco?)

>           (2) My first reaction when Worf shot the gun out of "Data's" hand
>  was "Impossible!  Worf's not that good a shot." ;)

Actually, my reaction was a groan.  D'you think a Wild West Sherriff would
really try to hit the *gun*?  (Espcaially at that distance?)  Only on Star
Trek: The Bloodless Generation.

(Although, would the Data-character have bled?  Well, you get the idea. :)

But, minor points in an otherwise fun and reasonable well constructed ep!
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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:53:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.003518.44419@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
>My opinion about "Rascals" and more:
>
>	This episode was one of the worst of all time.  The science was
>totally unfeasible, the plot was ridiculous and cliche, the lines were
>without substance.  I felt so bad watching this show, wondering why it's been
>so bad in the sixth season ... wondering what happened to the brilliance of
>the third.  The show seems to have lost its originality, its intelligence,
>and above all, its true substance. 
>
>	I am a serious fan of this show, but I can't help but think that 
>what I am a fan of is wholly in the past.  *big sigh*  I hope it picks back
>up ...

Come on guys...

Most of you have been "lamenting" since the beginning of the season, and
the chief lamenter himself decided not to watch the show anymore. I can't
believe it.

Just think about the first season. "The Last Outpost". "Skin of Evil".
"The Naked Now". Or worse, "Justice".

C-O-M-E  O-N!!!!!    THESE were bad, not the episodes of the current season!

I don't think it's as worse as everybody seems to think!

When the quality of the shows will have fallen to the level of the first
year, THEN we will have a reason to be desperate. But not now...


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From: fjoyce@unix2.tcd.ie (Zeldo the Human Cannonball)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: PLEASE READ, Someone asked me for ST info.
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:18:51 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


      OK, all you Trekkies, a fellow Trekkie that doesn't have access to
this network wants any possible Star Trek material available, FLAME HIM.
   Go on, help a deprived Trekkie.

He's mostly into the Next Generation, but he likes the original series
aswell.

His names Ciaran Bernard.
His E-mail address is :- 92412297@vax1.dcu.ie

Thank you

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From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals SPOILERS
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:23:08 GMT
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In article <1dlm07INN867@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>**SPOILERS AHEAD ***

>So they re-used some stock footage.  Good grief, they **DO** have a
>budget!  At least they aren't waving salt shakers around in sickbay!

True, and upon further thought I suppose I'd rather have them skimp on some
shows like this so they can bring out the big guns on shows like
"Yesterday's Enterprise".  I just wish there were more of them.

>**I** didn't have any trouble seeing that ;-).  Of course, photon
>torpedoes must be loaded and armed before they can be fired, and with

Good point.  Torps are mainly intended for battles at warp speed, anyway.

>The Enterprise was taken by surprise.  It happens.  They were expecting
>a natural disaster, not an attack.  Even when ships appeared, they were
>Klingon Birds of Prey, ships of an allied power.  My wife, who had **NOT**

Point taken.  However, you would think that surprise would only account for
the first few shots (and I would think that the shields should have snapped
up pretty quickly, minimizing the initial damage).  After that, I don't think
the Birds of Prey could have continued bashing the Big E for long.

>As for the Big E firing only one shot, immediately after firing on the
>first ship, Worf announced that the power coupling was offline from
>one of the hits from the attackers.  I suppose he could have prefaced

Oh yes, that infamous "Starboard Power Coupling"!  I suppose we really don't
have an accurate idea of exactly how powerful Klingon Birds of Prey are
nowadays, but I still can't believe they'd be able to pound through the Big
E's shields that quickly.  It all just felt too convenient, and it all could
have been done a lot more convincingly, I think.

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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The thing that REALLY bothers me about Rascals (Spoilers) Danger!
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:59:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <16899E806.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>, M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>>>Spoilers for Rascals

>Perhaps...the Enterprise computer KNEW the two ships were there, but because th
>ey were Klingon vessels, did not alert the crew. (the DO have an alliance w/ th
>em).

> Overall, I disliked the episode, it made Riker and Worf look like they could
> not control the Enterprise. Yeah, right! Like they got to the ranks they have
> and on the fleet's flagship battlecruiser(or whatever it is) by not being able
> to avoid this very situation!

Worf is a lousy shot. ;-)  And you can't leave Riker in command.  Data should
have crushed a couple of Ferengi at the very least.

The "problem" with this episode is that is was far too easy for the Ferengi
to take over the ship.  A boarding party is not out of the question, if the
battle would have been longer.  A response from security seemed to be
required.  You could have made a motion picture about this permise.
It would have easily been a 24th century "Die Hard".  A real waste of a good
premise to use it on this episode.

I get the feeling that the REAL reason the Enterprise only got off 1 shot
against the Klingon/Ferengi ships is that Paramount doesn't want to spend
the bucks on Special Effects!  Yes, friends, it comes down to MONEY! ;-)

But all of that aside, here's what disturbs me more about the entire episode.

They've introduced a VERY, VERY, disturbing concept in this episode: that
concept is IMMORTALITY.  They've discovered the FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH!  Take out
a couple of RNV sequences and you can be a child again.  No one need ever
die of old age.  Now I seriously doubt that TNG will ever use this plot
device again, but they did introduce it.  A doctor such as Beverly Crusher
would have to be blind not to notice.  Copyright the transporter "program"
and you are set for life.  People will be lining up for miles (err,
kilometers) to see you.

Of course, there's not patents, copyrights, or brand names in the 24th
century and we give everything away for FREE, so nobody would think of this! ;-)

Just another one of those "magic" plot devices that spoil the whole series!

And while I'm at it, what would happen if a FLY got into the transporter when
one of these "accidents" occurred?  This of the ENDLESS plot possibilities!
What's that you say?  Been done?  Oops! ;-)

Terry
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Re: 1st Annual Data's Poetry Contest
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:35:43 GMT

I think that I will never see
Perfect android poetry
Done by folks like you and me
Infected with humanity.

In seeking poetic perfection
While lacking electroneuronic connection
It will be for us a complex direction
But quality rises just like convection.

So yes, we should make this Data-like rot
In honor of the sunset on the beach that is hot
And for that immortal feline named Spot
Go with the contest, give it a shot.


==Ken Kaufman (kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu)
From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Rascals" !SPOILERS!
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:59:07 GMT
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Not a spoiler:

>> I thought that "Living in Harmony" (The Prisoner) was one of the best
>> episodes they made (along with "Many Happy Returns"). ...
>
>I'm surprised that I've heard this from more than one person as I really
>did not like "Living in Harmony."  Mainly because I have a hatred of
>Westerns, but also because I can't see where the logic was in that one:
>"If we put him in a Western town and all pretend to be in the Wild West
>ourselves, maybe he'll tell us why he resigned his top secret agent post."

As I recall, to sell "The Prisoner" to the American market, they had to
supply more episodes. However, the filming had ended and the set of the 
Village had already been torn down, so other sets had to be used. You
can track which episodes these are by the repeated use of old Village 
footage added into an episode. The Western episode was just a joke played on
the American audience, and they did it quite well. :-)


Lynne Jolitz.
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals opinion (I liked it!)
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:30:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress General) writes:



>Is anybody else besides me *not* looking forward to the Wild West episode?

I look forward to every episode, but I have serious reservations about
next week's.  It looks (although I hate to make judgments prematurely)
like it will be as stupid as "Rascals".  Although, to be fair, many times
what looks stupid in the previews turns out to be great episodes and what
looks great in the previews turns out to be stupid episodes.  We'll just
have to wait and see.

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From: dmillar@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Millar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:17:39 GMT
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In article <1992Nov5.182116.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Hey guys, I just wanted to point out something...

OK, but next time please put in one of these:

(hope it worked)




>
>In Rascals I find it extremely disturbing that the Ferangi (sp?) were able to 
>take over the Enterprise so quickly
...
>
>Anyway I am willing to entertain suggestions on how they could of taken over
>the ship so quicly.
>


The only explanation I can come up with is that the first shot damaged
something vital before the shields went up.  After all, the Klingons
are allies, so they presumably wouldn't raise shields upon meeting
some.  Klingon ships almost always appear to travel cloaked, so that
in itself wouldn't be a tipoff, though the lost contact with the
colony should have made Riker a bit more careful than he appeared to
be (he was apparently expecting a reactor explosion or something).


Derek Millar
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 21:37:20 EST

In article <BxDFFD.9qC@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov7.055857.23693@netcom.com>, moe@netcom.com (Morris Bisted) writes...
>>Spoilers for Rascals
>
>>
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>>
>>
>>Now that the Enterprise has caught 2 Bird of Prey, hopefully the
>>Federation will have the forethought to try and figure out how this
>>technology works.  Then we won't repeatedly be pummeled with the
>>tired plot device of the Bird of Prey de-cloaking in front of the
>>Enterprise while its shields are down and immediately
>>blasting away causing the injury of the enterprise and requisite
>>heroic acts and "victory snatched from the jaws of defeat" endings
>>that this theme has brought about.
>>	
>>But no!!  The Federation has only had knowledge and actual possession
>>of the cloaking device since Kirk stole it in TOS (Did IBM get the
>>development contract or what?).
>>
>>Morris
>
>It is my understanding that one loses the higher warp speeds and a great deal
>of shield strength by having a cloaking device(not just using, but having one
>installed).  The Federation has greater DEFENSIVE capabilities by having
>stronger shields and bieng able to outrun ships with cloaking devices.  The
>Federation chose to have increased warp capability and shields instead of
>the cloaking device.  I personally would rather have a greater chance at
>escaping without major losses than be able to 'sneak up' on a ship, especially
>since I wouldn't be able to fire when cloaked.  (I don't know why the 'able to
>fire when cloaked' model of cloaking device {ST:TUC} isn't being used).
>
 
   Since the Klingon chancellor himself did not know about General Chang's
special-model Bird of Prey, I think it's reasonable to assume that the
engineers behind the improved cloaking device were killed along with Chang
when they were blown up.  The relevant question may be "why wasn't the
research thread of the improved cloaking device followed through by Klingon
government after the Khitomer conference?"  There could be a whole politico
spy story in this.
 
Junsok Yang