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From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: car seat questions
Date: 29 Jul 1992 09:53:28 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	Recently several sources (books, magazines, the net) have suggested 
that children be kept in rear facing car seats until they are a year old.  
These brings a few questions to my mind and I'd appreciate any information. 
 This is probably a hypothetical question for me right now because Libby 
probably won't hit 20lbs until she's a year anyway, but maybe I'll need it 
in the future.  
	1)  What do you do if your child is more than 20lbs before a year?  
The instructuctions for the car seat I have (Century convertible) say to 
keep the child rear facing until 20lbs and then use the seat in the forward 
facing position.  Is it unsafe to keep the seat rear facing after the child 
weighs 20lbs?
	2)  I'm currently using and infant type seat which is supposed to 
be used until the child weights 18lbs.  Is there anything magic about 18 or 
is this just a ploy to force parents to buy a convertible type "large" car 
seat?
	3)  Just for curiosity, what do you do if your child weighs 20lbs 
before being able to sit up at all?  I know several people with four month 
olds in that weight range!  
	Thanks for any responses.  I'll post a summary.  
					
	Lisa 
	(Libby's mom, 10 months old (and maybe 17lbs by now) tommorow!

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 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
 (215) 527-9361
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:49:58 GMT

In article <92203.164535IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>sperm-things are emphemeral.  mothers are forever.

In your family, perhaps.

I know someone who was raised by her loving father because her
egg-thing abused and abandoned her.  She isn't the only one in the
world, either.  Ask a social worker.  They'll be happy to lend you a
clue.

You're obviously carrying around a lot of emotional baggage from your
relationships with your father and ex-husband.  If you haven't done so
already, I'd suggest therapy.  The inability to distinguish one's own
family dynamics from Universal Truth is a sure sign that one needs help.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Subject: Unnecessary and Unkind Remarks (was Birth Announcement)
Keywords:  Uncalled for opinion
Organization: Novell Inc.,  Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:08:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.200703.1718@crd.ge.com> dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.124120.13743@pdn.paradyne.com>, ambrose@paradyne.com (Steve Ambrose) writes:
>|> In article <9207281405.AA01296@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>|> > ...
>|> >That said I'd like to belatedly
>|> >announce the birth of my daughter:
>|> >
>|> >		Elizabeth Rachel "Libby" Linden-Chirlian
>|> 
>|If your daughter get married to a guy named, say Joe Smith, will her daughters
>|name be "<first-name> <middle-name> Smith-Linden-Chirlian"? ...
>
>Steve,
>
>I found your posting offensive.  Lisa did not ask for advise re. her child's
>name, she was trying to share the joy of her daughter's birth with misc.kids.  
>Instead she got your opinion on how she should have run her life.
>
>I quote from misc-kids-FAQ 6/25/92:
>
>o  Please refrain from name-calling, tantrums or other hysterics--
>   we get enough of that from our children :-)
>-- 

Steve, if you want to air your opinions regarding childrens names do so
within the thread that is already being discussed.  To post such a unkind
post in response to some one who simply wishes to share her joy with the
net is completely uncalled for.  I for one am thrilled that people wish
to share such happy moments with us, their choice of names is NONE OF
MY *OR* YOUR BUSINESS.

M'Linda
Care to flame my parents for giving me a name that will never be
spelled correctly by the general public???  Feel free, I'm not as
vulnerable as a new mother.
************************************************
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson)
Subject: God's view of children (and adults)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:39:50 GMT

Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
Clinton), let's see some of what God has to say:

Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long
in the land the LORD your God is giving you"

Proverbs 22:6 "Train a child in the way he should go, and when his is old
he will not depart from it."

Proverbs 22:15 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of
discipline will drive it far from him."

Ephesians 6:1 "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a 
promise - that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy a long life
on the earth."

And for children and adults:

John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name
of God's one and only Son."

John 3:20 "Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into
the light for fear that his deeds will not be exposed."

I will not answer flames or mockers.

David L. Hanson
Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: car seat questions
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:06:13 GMT

In article <9207291455.AA02653@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>
>	Recently several sources (books, magazines, the net) have suggested 
>that children be kept in rear facing car seats until they are a year old.  
>These brings a few questions to my mind and I'd appreciate any information. 
> This is probably a hypothetical question for me right now because Libby 
>probably won't hit 20lbs until she's a year anyway, but maybe I'll need it 
>in the future.  
>	1)  What do you do if your child is more than 20lbs before a year?  
>The instructuctions for the car seat I have (Century convertible) say to 
>keep the child rear facing until 20lbs and then use the seat in the forward 
>facing position.  Is it unsafe to keep the seat rear facing after the child 
>weighs 20lbs?

I kept Jeffrey rear facing until almost a year (I had planned to keep him
rear facing until a year, but my mom couldnt in her car, and I thought being
rear facing in my car was what was causing tantrums, which it was not). It is
perfectly safe to keep the convertible car seats rear facing after 20 lbs. My
source is an organization called LA Child Passenger Safty Association (??). 
The importnat thing, is to keep the straps in the bottom slots, even though
their shoulders are above it. In rear facing position, you want to stop the
child from ramping up in case of an accident.

BTW, Jeffrey was 90% for weight throughout his first year.

>	2)  I'm currently using and infant type seat which is supposed to 
>be used until the child weights 18lbs.  Is there anything magic about 18 or 
>is this just a ploy to force parents to buy a convertible type "large" car 
>seat?

I have heard that height is more important, at least that is what they said
at the baby store. Unfortunately I cant remember what they said to use
as a guideline. Jeffrey outgrew his infant seat cause his shoulders were too
broad. This was baout 7 months.

>	3)  Just for curiosity, what do you do if your child weighs 20lbs 
>before being able to sit up at all?  I know several people with four month 
>olds in that weight range!  

I dont know. Jeffrey was one of those kids, but he could sit at 3.25 months.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Sleeping on Stomach
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:44:14 GMT

In article <oeS2gdu00WBLE3zWs3@andrew.cmu.edu>
ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith) writes:
 
>
>No matter how much you love to sleep on your stomach (I do too) try not
>to, even after the baby is born.  I have slept on my stomach for as long
>as I can remember, but between the added stress of carrying and bearing
>a child, and sleeping on my stomach night after night, I have really
>hurt my back.  My sacro-illiac joint (in lower back) is frequently
>painful and sometimes my sciatic nerve hurts the way it did when I was
>pregnant (and my son is now 3 1/2).  My advice is, if you can learn to
>sleep on your back while pregnant, try to continue to do so after the
>baby is born.
>
 
Doctors say....that you should sleep on a very firm surface, no pillow, and
lie flat on your back---Can Anyone Do This?!
 
I do pretty well, but only because I have a curve in my spine and using
pillows hurts, but I find it difficult to lie on my back for any length
of time.
 
Oh yeah, you're also supposed to have your feet elevated, on top of a pillow
or somthing---kind of backwards, isn't it?
 
Ellie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton - Family Values?
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:53:32 GMT

slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>People will use Hillary's law (if it makes it
>that far) as a way to justify treating kids like hell.  If the kids
>don't like it, let 'em get a divorce!  

I assume that I can substitute "Parents" for "People" in your first
sentence without changing your meaning (otherwise the sentence makes
less sense.)  I'd say that parents who would use this law as an excuse
for maltreatment are the same parents who would maltreat their children
regardless of what the law says.  Oh, sure, they would indeed say
something like this -- "If you don't like it, get a divorce!".  That's
called rationalization, and they'd find a way to do it under any 
circumstances.  Only now, the law would give the children a real 
way out.

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com
Disc claimer:  "Hey!  That's my floppy!"
From: mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: In home Childcare/Nanny's
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:11:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

My wife and I have two boys, ages 1.5 and 4. We have been fortunate enough to
have a women from a local church "mothers day out" program care for them (along
with her own two children) for the past six months. We actually met her through
the church program, and the kids continue in the church program while in the
care of this women.

Anyway, this arrangement is coming to an end. She informed us that we have
about a month to find other arrangements. 

Here is the problem: I feel like we kind of "lucked into" our  current
arrangement. I am not sure that we will be so lucky this time. Is there a more
methodical way to identify/attract personal in home child care like this ? Are
there "nanny brokers" ? I am currently contemplating ads in the local papers
and maybe ads on bulletin boards of local churches. Does anybody have any tips
?

By the way, we are very flexible as far as "our house" vs. "there house"
arrangements.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Strep B?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:41:05 GMT

In article <13498@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.162658.28734@keps.kodak.com>, mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
>|> ...the doctor
>|> did not administer the test because he "didn't believe in it"!!!
>
>He probably didn't believe in it because of the cases where the test 
>came back negative and then the infection occurred anyway, somewhat 
>later. 

This suggests to me that the testing procedure is flawed, not that the test
is not useful.  What little I've read about this test suggests it is a very
simple test.  Wouldn't it make more sense to do the test more than once, like
during the weekly check-ups at the end, than not at all?  Is it too costly or
time-consuming to make this feasible?  Are there other checks to limit the
group that is retested?  Are there false positive results?  Does treatment of
a false positive pose a threat to the mother or the baby?  How likely is it
that a false negative is reported?  I would like to know more about this
before I need the info.

> He may not have been as negligent as this sounds!

You're right, we have no way of actually knowing she would have tested 
positive.  In the worst case, they would have ended up in the exact same place
they did.  In the best case, the whole family would have been spared a lot of
stress and worry, and they wouldn't have been robbed of a whole set of 
experiences that go along with a new baby.
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
UUCP: ...!{harvard!ima,uunet!atexnet}!munsell!cairo!mbb
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<4619@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
	<1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>
	<153c4dINNse0@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
	<1992Jul28.095744.3020@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:58:46 GMT

In article <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
>mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
>or eat fish.

In article <1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>, doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond) writes:
> Do you want an award?

	Doug, it's a bleedin' .signature file, that's all.  I honestly
can't see why you felt compelled to respond to it.  It's like a Vice
President complaining about a fictional character.

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
        HI!  I'm a mutating signature virus.  You can resist helping me spread!
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:12:59 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul27.201641.4769@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Why?  Because I suspect that the kid who feels that it's yucky (or at
>least getting it on her hands is) feels that way because she was taught
>to always wash her hands after she finishes going to the bathroom as a
>result of the germs in urine and feces that could cause illness if they
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>came into contact with food.  It would sure be nice if my little cousin

Actually, urine is sterile.  One tip I got for treating emergency cuts
during camping trips in the wild is to clean them with urine.  Never
actually needed to do this, though!  Feces, on the other hand....

Also, I always wash in public washrooms because of the germs left by
other peoples hands (the number one way to catch cold etc, transmission
by being coughed/sneezed on is much harder).  

Also, re sperm in women's urine samples:  it's a good idea to pee after
sex.  It helps cut down on urinary tract infections.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Keywords: Freedom of speech
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:23:56 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <daved.711831468@convex.convex.com>, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

|> In <1992Jul22.175738.3968@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
|> 
|> >Reposted with a correction(near bottom):
|> 
|> >Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
|> >Clinton - Family Values), let's see some of what God has to say:
|> 
|> ( lot's of biblical quotes,  etc)
|> 
|> God did not write the bible, people did, and even if God did write the
|> original bible, it has been revised by people repeatedly.
|> 
|> I am asking for the consideration of not being preached to about specific 
|> religous beliefs which I do not share.
|> 
|> Please keep your religion to yourself and those who invite you to share it
|> with them.
|> 
|> Respectfully Yours
|> 
|> Dave

If we all support the first amendment rights to freedom of speech, then
anyone who wants to share their point-of-view is free to do just such.
Mr. Hanson has his own viewpoint, based upon a particular book, that he
wanted to share.  We all have our own viewpoints, based upon a variety
of sources.  People may disagree with, or totally ignore, particular
sources, but that doesn't give anyone the right to censor.  Given that
Mr. Hanson wasn't mixing church and state (forbid the thought), there
should be no reason for him to not share his thoughts.

If you don't want to read a particular posting or author, then don't.

Respectfully as well,

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re; Strep B?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:49:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <9207241229.AA16883@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
>
>I just asked my OB if he tests for this routinely and he said no.  That
>since they regularly test urine, something would show up there.  So now
>I am wondering how so many babies are being born with it.  Is it
>because we are coming down with it right before delivery?  I guess we
>should seriously worry if we come down with flu-like symptoms towrd the
>end?  Anyone know?
>
>-Shirl


I believe that I have had urine and vaginal cultures at the same time, and
the Group B Strep has NOT shown up in the urine culture and has shown up in
the vaginal culture.

Also, I have been diagnosed as having an active Group B Strep infection a few
times in the last year (maybe 3 times) and have NEVER experienced flu symptoms
at the same time.  This CAN be symptomless, that is why some OB/GYNs are
doing this culture routinely in pregnancy.  I don't know that this is warranted 
with a woman that has had no prior problems, but I also don't think it can hurt.

Remember, I am not a doctor, and I have lots of experience with this infection
but not while pregnant...  I'll wait and see how that goes, because my husband
and I are starting to think about having a second child.  The first was born
C-section, so if I had GBS, I wouldn't have known.  Next question for me is do
I try for a VBAC (vaginal birth after C-section) which I really wanted), or
do I have a voluntary second c-section to avoid risks of GBS?  I digress...

My suggestion is to contact the Group B Strep Association (phone and address
given in a previous article, but if you need it, they are in Chapel Hill, NC),
and talk to your doctor about it, preferably with a newsletter from the Group
B Strep Association in hand, and DON'T be shy about getting a second opinion.


Good luck,

		Gail Karlovsky (gail.karlovsky@att.com)
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Otoscopes for home use
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:23:48 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering


 
 
Lindsay writes:
>On ear infections:
>
>One more question --- has anybody purchased one of these home
>devices for looking in the ear? Are they worthwhile? My
>pediatrician discouraged it, saying we wouldn't really be able to
>see anything, but if she can, why can't we?
>
>Lindsay Schachinger
>lindsay@lbl.gov
 
A friend purchased one for us about a year ago.  They are wonderful.
I know that I don't have the knowledge that the pediatrician does, but
it is nice to KNOW that the ear is red.  It's really embarrassing to take
a child to the doctor and get told "There's nothing wrong except the baby
is teething."
 
I imagine that what the pediatrician is concerned about is people who
will use the device as a replacement for professional medical care
instead of an aid to be used with professional medical care.  I wouldn't
dream of TREATING my children for an ear infection but it sure is
nice to be able to (sometimes) DIAGNOSE an ear infection.
 
I just wish that I had purchased one when our first child was born instead
of getting one when they were 8,5,3, and 3.  We are almost out of the
ear infection stage (I hope).
 
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lisa@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:21:07 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <18598@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>Except my mom. In fact, she had two in the early 60's.

My mom also - in the early 60's she had 3 drugless labors, which she 
describes as painless.  She also breastfed all 3 of us.

I sure hope the painless part is something that is hereditary - I guess
I will be finding out in a few weeks.


The hospital (Albert Einstein in the Bronx) we where I will be giving 
birth has a policy that all women must be hooked up to an electronic 
fetal monitored (EFM) when they first arrive.  Our midwives just run 
a 20 minute strip and then if everything appears okay they turn off 
the machine.  After a lot of discussion and reading my husband and I 
have decided not to allow any electronic monitoring at all.  The hospital
will of course make us sign a waiver saying we refuse the procedure.
Our midwives don't have many patients that refuse the monitoring - and 
the midwives themselves seem to support its use.

How common is this?  Do most hospitals require EFM?  Do most doctors/midwives
use these things?


---lisa leutenegger
   lleut@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw)
Subject: Smooth to Lumpy Food Replies
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:24:09 GMT

Just a note to thank you for all the replies I received regarding the
"lumpy" food issue.  I think it was unanimous not to worry about it,
Bradley will eat lumps when he is ready, do not try to force it, and I will
try some of your suggestions of the foods your kids liked best.

I'm sorry - I do not know how to reply by e-mail to individuals, I am
just learning ... I'll get the hang of this eventually.

Catharine
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids