HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Let's Move MIM News Outta Here...
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:29:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <13060062@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> by patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy):

> In soc.culture.african.american, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
> 
> > > 
> > > 	BUT, is this s.c.a.a or is it a soapbox for the NY
> > > 	Transfer News Service and the MIM?!  shouldn't these
> > > 	postings be placed on alt.misc.news.postings or 
> > > 
> > Apart from the inherent destructiveness of their philosophy, I've found them
> > rather surprisingly polite and willing to carry on a civil conversation via
> > e-mail.  Besides, I can ream somebody politely as well as I can rudely if
> > the situation calls for it.... :)
> > > 
> 	agreed... but i would rather see these in digest form
> 	and some personal comments to boot.  just posting a 
> 	press release verbatim seems to inhibit discussion
> 	and waste bandwidth.
> 
I agree about posting one's actual thoughts.  My inclination, based on 
previous experience is that they are afraid of making the "movement" look bad
if they should (and they would) get the bad end of a debate.

Of course none of this stops OTHER people from discussing (and shredding) the
claims made therein.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Neo-Colonialism and Africans
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:23:31 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1993Jan8.150719.12400@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> ,
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu writes:
>Support a military that ownly attacks people of color.(Eg. Asian, Africans,
>etc.) When was the last time the US ever attacked Europeans? Support Racial
>steroetypes and biases through the press and deny race by ignoring the problem.
> 

I do believe we occupied an European country until about 2 years ago.  Now that
we left it, it appears as if it is going to repeat its history once again, and
maybe  WW III is not that far away.  The vast mjority of our military money
goes to containing the European threat.  

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From: cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:42:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In article #22833, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
writes:

[much deleted from eloquent articles from Michael K Mukasa et al]
.....

>Teaching you that you are not in authority to judge blacks
>for who they date, is a self-defeating task.

I don't think that there has been one person who has posted a
note publically saying one should not be able to freely choose
who you date. Yet in every note, Mr. Chaney insistes that we
are against his interracial dating. It is your foul attitude
we find saddening, not that you would date a white woman, but
that you would not date a black woman.

...of course these are my opinions...
...no one else would dare...
-- 
       "Whatever happened to Peace?"    -Eric B. & Rakim
     ********    This is our year - GO CAVS!!!    ********
                         ~ mc kidd ~
~ cr614@cleveland.freenet.edu ~ kidd47@wilma.wharton.upenn.edu ~
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:17:06 GMT

In article <C0r3qE.n4L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) writes:
>>As for blacks on television, I noticed something on a couple of soap operas.
>>In the two I pay any attention to (General Hospital and As the World Turns)
>>there is only one black per show. Both are professional females (one is a 
>>doctor, the other a lawyer), and both are married to white men. 
>>
>>Has anyone noticed a similar trend on other shows?
>
>What about the recent slew of rich-teenager shows on Fox that have brought
>this sort of casting to new heights?  It seems that all their new shows
>have 7-8 good-looking, rich teenagers, one of whom 'happens to be black'.

The attitude comes from people who view "black" as a pigmentation and
not as a cultural thing.  Just get a white person and dip `em in some
melanin, to convince the white people who are watching that black people
are "just like us."  Bleah.

Regarding TV white men dating and marrying black women -- this is easy. 
I've seen a bunch of commercials with men taking care of babies without
women, too, despite the fact that demographics puts it totally the other
way.  Can you say "reactionary?"  I knew you could . . .

Regards,
Janis C.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: mike@clubmezz.Berkeley.EDU (Michael T. Itamura)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:55:01 GMT

ronald.h.davis writes:
 my attitude is that after as much racist stuff [against black people] that you
 see from japanese/nisei individuals and/or from japan (including government
 officials) i am *totally* unsympathetic when i hear cries of racism against
 japanese people by white people.  my tendency is to think:  "yeah, they're ones
 to talk..."

Ed Hall writes:

 some are pretty much free of prejudice.  Most Nisei are in their 60's and
 70's, so this is pretty much the status quo for that generation (not that
 I'm happy about it).  Their kids, the Sansei, seem considerably less
 racist on average--I'm tempted to say less than whites of the same age
 group, but I don't think I can generalize quite that much solely from
 personal experience.  And I certainly think you've over-generalized from
 yours...

ronald.h.davis writes:

 i think you should have read my post a bit more closely, unless you're just
 making this statement for its effect.  i believe i have tried to avoid making
 general statements under the pretext that they held true for *all* asian-
 americans and i would think you would figure that out from reading them.
 
 i might add, however, that i don't agree with *your* generalization of later
 generation japanese-americans...


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

     Welcome to the First Annual Soc.Culture.Asian/African.American
            newsgroup "Who is the Biggest Bigot Contest"


Thank you Mr. Davis and Mr. Hall for that stirring introduction.  Let's
get this topic settled once and for all - in democratic fashon.  Rememeber
folks, only one vote per person.  I have listed several distinct groups
of people and all you need to do is rank them in order from the BIGGEST
BIGOTS to the least bigotted.  If you have any other groups of people
that I might have missed, please be sure to include them.   The contestents
(in no particular order are) are:

	The Japanese
	Later Generation Japanese Americans
	Other Non-Japanese Asian Americans
	Older White Americans
	Younger White Americans
	Conservative Republican Senators from North Carolina
	The Germans
	The French
	The Serbs
	The Bosnians
	Older African Americans
	Younger African Americans
	African Americans who think that some Asian Americans "Act White"
	Other Americans

  Please post your answers.   And don't forget, if you think that this
is a useless exercise, think about how good you will feel when you point
at that <fill in with the winner of the first annual Soc.Culture.Asian/
African.American newsgroup "Who is the Biggest Bigot Contest"> and say
"You Sir, are a Bigot"   Boy I can't wait to see who wins.
			Mike Itamura
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:34:20 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
>hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
>whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
>I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
>occur with as much frequency as the opposite.
>
Here is my theory (admittedly containing lots of generalizations):

Most men prefer submissive women.  The stereotypical feeling is that black
women are the least submissive of all women and Asian women are the most
submissive.  Therefore, black men date white women and white men date
Asian women in larger numbers than the reverse.  This leaves black women
and Asian men sitting at home on Saturday nights.  Maybe they should date
each other. 

Barbara Vaughan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:30:50 GMT

In article <2B4DAF4C.5667@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.154305.27862@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>In article <2B4CA78F.29090@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>
>>Finally, lunch has arrived.
>
>Honey, you couldn't digest me; trust me.  Other sexist pigs have tried,
>and they just end up with indigestion.

So? Some people I just have to chew up and then spit back out. 

Once again, address the issues, please. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:00:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1ibfk8INNiia@news.aero.org>,
helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1iarrfINN281@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>.
>>If white folks hadn't started white flight outta East Palo Alto in
>>the mid-1960s...
>
>For those of you (which is most of you) too young to
>know better, East Palo Alto was already a seriously "bad" 'hood in
>1962 when I lived in the Bay Area.
>
.
.
Are you serious? You've got to be kidding.  Not in 1962.
.
Possibly it was getting such a bad rep because black people were
moving into East Palo Alto as a reaction to  conditions in Oakland
and Hunters Point.
.
Besides, Palo Alto next door was trying mightily to keep spooks out
of its mighty white environment at that time. The structure
practically created East Palo Alto, the Soweto of the Peninsula.
.
A side thought.  Why do all black (or fill in the blank people of
color) communities always have to be seriously 'bad' hoods, whether
they are acting up or not? Stanford has black and Chicano/Latino
theme houses and white folks are always tiptoeing around them as if
they were crack houses.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:48:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210637.28680@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.202122.29095@csus.edu>
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>>To those of you who have done this and who claim to represent "black"
>>America, I say "Seik Heil." 
>
>SIEG, dammit, SIEG!! I've seen you misspell (sp? :-) this 2 or 3 times now.

Correction noted


>p.s. - My take on the issue is that I don't care whom you stick your dick
>into, everybody knows sistas can be hard to get along with *sometimes*, but
>I don't see brothers in droves running the hell away, either. Lay off 'em.
>Maybe there's some other problem, ya know?  Dontcha still live at home?

Who said anything about sticking one's genitals anywhere?

My problems stopped once I started dating my new GF. :)
I guess it was the atmosphere, after all. 


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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:50:39 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <2B4CE750.5425@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>You have a lot to learn about how AfAm people perceive White America.
>Don't dare accuse anyone else of ignorance until you repair your own, or
>admit to it.  We ALL have a lot to learn about each other.
>
>Regards,
>Janis C.

Janis C., I appreciate your understanding, there are so many people out there
that need to be deprogrammed as you are trying to become by reading this news
group. And you're right, we do ALL have a lot to learn about each other. Now,
only if we could make society believe that learning about someone else doesn't
mean forgetting about yourself....
 

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Blanche R. Steppe)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Originator: brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:17:16 GMT


 chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

Several derogatory comments about black women that he KNOWS.  I don't care
to repost most of his comments.  I don't care who he dates.  

>    that, but I've seen it. I've been called a half-nip and half-jap
>    and all kinds of things (though I'm 100% black) for that, and it
>    was exclusively by black women. 

So you are 100% black, that means that your MOTHER is a black woman.
I really think that it a shame that you talk about your mother like
that.  She is one of the black women that you know, isn't she?  On the
the other hand if she raised you, then she must be all of the shameful
things that you said she was.  I don't blame you for rejecting black
women, you may get one just like your mother!

>    women are utter screaming fascists when they see this. You go
>    into a rage that is unseen in human beings, at the mention of
>    Clarence Thomas or the words "black conservative". "Oreo," "Uncle
>    Tom," and all that, start flying around. You'll accept Jesse
>    Jackson despite that he is an anti-semite, because he is black.
>    I'd hate to speak in opposition of him amidst 2 or more of you.

So you are saying that black women are not "human beings".  Jesse
Jackson praises black women.  I have never heard him say anything
derogatory about us.  Even dogs like people who are nice to them,
rather than the people who kick them around.

Sometimes people want steak and all they can get is hamburger.  So they
decide that they don't like steak.  In other words, they knock what
they can't have.  Enjoy your hamburger, since you don't deserve steak.

>you if you don't bother us. Bother us, and you'll get very badly
>disrespected, and we'll be waiting when you send your big, ugly, ape
>brothers and fathers to punish us for not conforming. Do them a favor
>and do not send them after us.

Do you really think that any decent black brother or father would want
you to date their sister or daughter?
 
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Blanche
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:02:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1993Jan7.194914.6285@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu writes:
>I often wonder how white American perceives African-Americans. What do you
>think? Here's what I seen most of the time.
>1) White America believes African-Americans are out to take their jobs.
>2) WA believes AfAms are out to take their women.
>3) WA believes AfAms shouldn't get Afirmitive Action because it is reverse
>discrimination.
>4) WA believes AfAms are criminals and only capable of criminal acts.
>5) WA believes everything is fair and equal and is afraid to deal with the
>problem of racism.
>6) WA believes that everyone can "Pull themselves up by their own Bootstraps",
>regardless of color.
>7) WA doesn't care about African-Americans until African-Americans do something
>to effect them.  

You missed one, hon.

8) White Americans are scared shitless of AfAm's, and really believe
that they're out to guilt all of us into oblivion.

I think this is a large part why white people can't stand any group or
organization for black/African-descended people.  They honestly do think
that you've been put through hell, and the think to themselves, "If I
went through what they go through, I'd be ready to bash someone's head
in."  That scares them.  They see a group of black/AfAm people togerther
and think, "Oh, God, they're after us!"  Fear, ignorance, and guilt.

Regards,
Janis C.
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:10:34 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan12.230152.4947@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
>
>Paris speaks *true lyrics*. Is it too late to get him a cabinet appointment?
>I especially liked his linking the gangsta's with Black conservatives --
>a comparison that would make both groups vomit!
>        Darryle
.
.
At this moment, I am currently enthralled with Arrested Development.
 Three Grammy nominations, alright!
.
"Revolution," yes.  From within and without.
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:25:42 GMT
Organization: UB

>I don't know why people were upset with Arthur's original posting.  Is this
>the wrong newsgroup for such a discussion?  It's my feeling that evey
>minority in the US has felt the benifits of Malcom's struggle for civil
>rights.


What was Arthur's original post?? What is this doing in soc.culture.ASIAN.american?
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:00:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <C0qK3C.Fw3@agora.rain.com>,
robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes:
>
>
>  Why do you persist in this anti-white racism?
>
.
.
Why do you persist in the canard that you are OK, that you have
never examined your own racism towards others.
.
FTS, I am sick and tired of this mess.
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa,soc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:19:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.002414.10499@news.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.120856.16695@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>>
>>Isn't it funny that those who accuse me of overgeneralizing, will post
>>in another article about "White America" is racist? (Sure, there are
>>racist parts in America, but it's not just White and not every white
>>is racist.) 
>>
>>Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.. 
>>
>>  --Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.5--
>  
>I must say that it sure is good to see Steve standing up and defending those
>helpless white people. You know without you, I don't think that whites could
>speak for themselves. :)

Damn, blatant generalization and racism and misinterpretation of
everything I have said.. 


>     I see that Mr. Chaney might be Super Negro ! Defender of those good natured
>white folks that don't trip because ole Steve wants to date their daughter.
>Super Negro, mild mannered Mr. Chaney, just wants to show the good ole white 
>folks that not ALL of us want to help out the African American community. He
>just wants to put them at ease.... Thanks Steve....

This REALLY applies to you: 

SIEG HEIL, dude. Sieg f#!king heil.  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa,soc
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:27:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.120856.16695@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>I know that we can all have some pretty strong suspicions
>about his charater; but we have no moral right or logical
>basis to make such an attack/judgement.

Isn't it funny that those who accuse me of overgeneralizing, will post
in another article about "White America" is racist? (Sure, there are
racist parts in America, but it's not just White and not every white
is racist.) 

Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.. 


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