From: "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Roh visits china
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:18:59 -0500

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
> 
>  Here is my point: National pride is one of good things. However, any
>accusation or allegation should  supply  understandable reasons
> if you do not want to be viewed as a blind nationalist.
>  You(Mr. Suh) jumped into the  conclusion that Roh
>was greeted by only "lower" level TRADE minister because of their imperia
>lism or looking down "tiny" countries.  However, I read a thread from
>soc.culture.taiwan saying that China had stopped reception ceremony at
>the airport long time ago regardless quest country and instead they give
>it in the Tiananman Square(?sp) or other places. In addition, in china,
>usually, Foreign minister(or  ?? vice primister) welcomes the foreign VIP
>at the airport but this time, the responsible minister was visiting
>Japan.  That's why Roh was greeted by Trade Minister. This thread was
>written by a netter from mainland china.   I have no position either to
>support Roh's visit or to hate it. However, at the same moment, your
>hasty allegation may be another reflection of defeatism or self-denial.
>Have a nice day.    Byungtae Lee.

O.K., tying my thread with reception protocol of China was not one of
my best arguments :).  I can accept that. However, my main point is still
valid, I think. Perhaps, you have never read Soc.China.Culture long enough.
The same people who supported and still support Democracy in China suddenly
turns into Communist Propaganda machine who exhorts that Western countries
are conspiring to support Tibet independence to undermine China. Of course,
same is true for Shinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Some even suggested taking
Vietname, old Soviet Far East and entire Mongolia. This is clear from
Leon Z. Lee's posting on this topic (He said ROC has the right to claim
present Mongolia, what about Mongol's wish and their self-determination).

The young generation of Chinese now are no different from Deng Xiao-ping,
as long as treating minorities or neighboring states.
Having improved Chinese economy may change their mentality someday, but
I am afraid that it is more than 50 years away. In the mean time, 
we are dealing with old man in the new clothes.

Tibet was taken because of its strategic importance, I heard.
Remember how strategically important Korea is to Chinese.
It is quite possible that China could invade Korea for the same reason
that they overran helpless Tibet 40 years ago.

I noticed that China is dying to have that imperial glory they lost.
Unfortunately for us living next to China, they may not care how they
achieve it. This is evident from human rights abuse reported to the
press.

There should be two principle to be observed in East Asia if
we all want to live as peaceful neighbors.
  (1) Democracy 
  (2) Self-Determination

The reason that (2) has to be observed is that as long as some ethnic group
is living under oppression, there is no real democracy.
For example, South Africa is democartic country as far as white people are
concerned. But there are a lot of poor and oppressed blacks without political
rights. This is not a true democracy.