HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: millerm@skie.ECE.ORST.EDU (Mike Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Re: Robot vision
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gr9mpINNa1i
Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: skie.ece.orst.edu

In article <Bz40Dw.A5r@andy.bgsu.edu> rlee@bgsu.edu (Bob Lee) writes:
> The snag I've run into so far is that I need to find a cost-effective  
way
> to give my robot limited vision. I need it to do a 360 degree scan of  
its
> environment, read the sensor at set intervals, send it to and A/D  
converter,
> store the values in a RAM memory, then analyze the values to get a rough
> picture of its environment. Basically, the final result needs to be an
> array of values that reflect the surrounding area where the value will
> give the computer an idea to determine where objects in the room begin 

For extreamly limited 360 degree vision you might want to consider sonar.
It sound wacky but get an autofocus camera, remove the autofocus part and  
then set on top of your 'bot and spin it on a stepper moter (or something)
and then you can generate a map of the room from the 'bot's perspective.
Good luck with you project... ;-)

Mike Miller			millerm@skie.ece.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: doug@cc.gatech.edu (Doug MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Denning Mobile Robotics Address?
Reply-To: doug@cc.gatech.edu (Doug MacKenzie)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:10:21 GMT

Denning is not on the Network.

Denning Mobile Robotics, Inc.
21 Concord St.
Wilmington, MA 01887

Phone: 508 658-7800
FAX:   508 658-2492

		Doug MacKenzie

*****************************************************
Douglas C. MacKenzie               doug@cc.gatech.edu
Ph.D. Research Assistant in the Mobile Robotics Lab.
College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280
Lab phone: (404)-894-9311         Fax: (404)-853-9378
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: gratclif@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory W Ratcliff)
Subject: December Run of Miniboards GONE! January GOING!
Keywords: mini pcb control greg ratcliff
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:27:31 GMT

The Decmeber run of miniboards shipped on schedule yesterday (15th)
to the people below.  All boards from this production batch are gone.
If your name is not on the list EMAIL ME NOW.    

Thanks greg.

==============================================================
January run:

There IS enough interest for the January run at this time, the target
date is the 15th of January.  Anyone wanting to reserve boards from this
run must have their checks to me by the 10th. Email me early so that I
can predict how many boards will be required.  The price for the 
January run will be $6.00 (still).

Checks to:

Gregory W. Ratcliff
1763 Hess Blvd.
Columbus, Ohio 43212
===============================
Boards shipped 12/15/92

Steve Johnston
Jim Lynch LEGO
Micheal Pearce
Greg Clark
Kevin Mangis
Wei-Min Shen
Fernando J. Nuflo
Jeffrey Yuan
Carlos Puchol
David A. Ence
Randy Craig
Tony Kwon
Scott  Stark
Billibon Yoshimi
George Hodge
Dr. Keith Doty
Tom Skillman
Tim Markey
Jeff Bartig
Ryan Miller

-- 
Gregory W. Ratcliff  Ratcliff.8@osu.edu  on the internet   
Columbus, Ohio     ICBM
nz8r@w8cqk 	 on the air
N1697X     	 in the air
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison)
Subject: Re: DIGITAL DOG/wanted
Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:27:33 GMT

In article 1g4n5cINNh1r@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE, ruekahs1@mailszrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Georg Rueckriem) writes:
>The DIGITAL DOG, your indispensable friend!
>
>How to built a digital dog?

	Find a female digital dog in heat?

>How many bytes does it need?

	Gentle, normal, and viscous

>How long does it live?

	Would that be in dog years or people years?

But seriously, didn't Atari-guy Bushnell already try that (and fail)?

---
"How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109
From: albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Chad Edward Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Re: Query: stepper motor controller cards
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:34:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

The company you are looking for is CYBER-RESEARCH they have multiple 
stepper motor control boards.  I don't remember their address
or telephone number, but there is usually an ad in popular electronics
or computer craft.


--



-----------------------------------------   "The chess board is the world,
|	albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu	|    the pieces are the phenomena 
|      albrecht@convex.csd.uwm.edu      |    of the universe, the rules of
|        acct146@carroll1.cc.edu        |    the game are what we call the
|       COMPUTING SERVICES DIVISION     |    laws of nature."
|	   UNIX  CONSULTING             |
|	   MICRO CONSULTING	        |           --T.H. Huxley
|     EMS 229-5370 Bolton 229-5317      |
-----------------------------------------
 
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: gkulosa@world.std.com (Greg A Kulosa)
Subject: Re: 6270 text... here's something strange
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:44:36 GMT

jmce+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Ryan Miller) writes:


>    Yeah, I also had this problem.

>    Is anyone thinking of getting togeather a kit for building the 6270
>board?  

Well, I just got done with a run of 50 boards and a 'limited' parts
kit.  You must have missed it.  I am not planning to do another run
anytime soon, however I will provide help, tips, etc. to anyone who
wants to do the work and put the cash on the line.

>                                    Ryan Miller
>                                    jmce+@andrew.cmu.edu

-- 
Greg A. Kulosa		|  "If we are to be damned, let's be damned for what
Systems Administrator	|   we really are"    - Jean-Luc Picard
Oberon Software		|___________________________________________________
gkulosa@oberon.com	 One Memorial Drive, Cambridge, MA 02142
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Needed: Info on robots and course material.
From: abunawas@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (Adel)
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:59:14 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: St. Cloud State Univ., MN

Hello;

I am interested in purchasing a robot for our department.  I looked
at the Hero 2000 (loaded) for about $4.5k.  But when I called to order
it, I guess Heath Kit stopped making and selling them!  I would like
to use the robot in teaching a first course on robotics (undergrad
level 400, senior course). 

So I would like to know the following:
   1) is there a robot with the similar features of Hero 2000 on the
      market (name, phone, $, etc); and
   2) for folks who have taught a similar course, what do you
      recommend for:  a robot; a text; reference material; etc.

Please reply to abunawas@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu.  (if there is enough
interest I will post summary to the network)

All your help is greatly appreciated.

Adel.
-- 
Adel M. Abunawass, Ph.D.	E-Mail: abunawas@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu
Computer Science Dept.			mfama@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Saint Cloud State University		abunawa@plains.nodak.edu
Saint Cloud, MN 56301		Phone:  612-654-5222
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: paul@grafted.UUCP (james caldwell)
Subject: Re: Remote Lawn Mower
Organization: GRAFTED, Central Indiana's Usenet BBS 317-881-4369
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:44:30 CST

tkelley@hel4.brl.mil (Troy Kelley) writes:

> Has anyone out there heard of a radio controlled lawn mower? I 
> dont want one too complex. I just bought a house with a large
> yard but there is a deck that overlooks most of the yard which
> would be a perfect perch to use a radio controlled mower.

Check out Radio Electronics (at the library they have an index)
their was an article about the Lawn Rover. This was more elaborate 
than just a radio control. It could work unattended and can check
to see if the lawn needs mowed, it in fact was a robot. Also I
think it would return to it's house for a recharge and then 
complete it's task. 
I think this is all correct...check out the article.
                        Paul


--
james caldwell
The Grafted Branch BBS
317-881-4369
internet: paul@grafted.UUCP
uucp: ..!uunet!grafted.UUCP!paul
 = = Grafted Branch BBS (317) 889-6997 2 Gig on-line = =
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: chris@sundude.JPL.NASA.GOV (Chris Demke)
Subject: EPROM programmer
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - JPL on-site Software Support
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:15:13 GMT

	  I am looking for an EPROM programmer to plug into my PC.  Any
	recommendations?  How much should I expect to pay??


			Chris Demke
			Sun Microsystems

Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: tlhouns@ns.pacbell.com (Lee Hounshell)
Subject: Re: Darren Senn? Where is he?
Organization: Pacific Bell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:02:34 GMT

Jonny Yeargers (jony@microsoft.com) wrote:
: What has happened to Darren Senn and his 'parts kits'? I have not received
: a reply to any mail to his address. Any news? JonY@microsoft.com

Yeah.. I've had the same problem.  I ordered 4 kits from him.
I finally tried calling him last week.  Apparently, he's moved, and his
phone number is changed, but I got through to him using Pacific Bell's
"number forwarding" service.  He says that he's like "major busy" right
now, and although he has all the parts, he doesn't have time to pack
them and send them out.  I offered him some extra cash to send mine
right away, (as its the only thing holding up my project) and he declined
to take it.  Apparently, we'll all get the kits eventually.

How many people out there who've ordered kits from Darren have
actually received them?

--
Lee Hounshell - (510) 823-2432
tlhouns@srv.pacbell.com
Alchemical Engineer and Virtual Realist
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: rqerce@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (david ercegovic)
Subject: Help with MIT Interactive C
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:12 EST  

Have successfully retrieved the MIT 6270 documents, and became interested 
in learning/trying the interactive-c package in the pub/6270/ directory of 
cher.media.mit.edu.  I have tried a couple of twists but have been 
unsuccessful in downloading, uncompressing it, etc.  The manual was a 
little vague on what specific files were needed and where they were.

Soooo.  If anyone has downloaded a ms-dos executable version and had it run
, would you be so kind as to post a little detail on how to do it?

Sincerely,  Dave
..Standard Disclaimer   ...I Know 'Nuttin!   ...<><
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper)
Subject: Re: Infrared Remote Controls
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 04:50:06 GMT

John,

	Thanks for your article.  I have wanted to try to make
some use of the Radio Shack tin box for some time, but hadn't
spent the time to look for signals generated by the remote
control "boxes" which are available.

	My application is to use the old Apple II+ and its game
port with three TTL compatible inputs as the processor for
signals from the infrared detector.  This sounds ideal for my
purposes.  The same game port has four TTL compatible outputs
which with proper circuitry can be used to drive up to three
stepper motors simultaneously.  This can then give me 3-axis
control over any robotic gimmick that I care to construct.  A
simple Basic program can convert the information from the
detector into the desired stepper motion.

	That was a beautiful piece of deduction that you
performed in arriving at the information you have posted. Thank
you for sharing your information with others.

Fred W. Culpepper, Eminent Professor
OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired)
fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu

---
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: ASM@snowyt.me.psu.edu (Aravind Melligeri)
Subject: Re: 6270 text... here's something strange
Organization: Pennsylvania State Univ., Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 03:17:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec11.200225.8711@cuug.ab.ca> jeremiah@cuug.ab.ca writes:

## Newsgroups: comp.robotics
## Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
## 
## Have any of you noticed that the page of the 6270 text that has the expansion
## board pcb layout doesn't print right?  The artwork runs off the page and on
## top of the captions.  Every other page worked for me, so why not this one?
## 
## Is this a problem everyone has and is there any way to fix it? 
## Thanks in advance.
## 
## >>Jerry
## 
## 
I have also experienced this. I thould i messed up something and was planning
to print it some other time.
--aravind


--Aravind S. Melligeri				
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
System Administrator		       |		      asm@mevax.psu.edu
Dept. of Mechanical Engg.	       |		      off: 814-865-2062
Pennsylvania State Univ. 	       |		      res: 814-867-5922	
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hgg@icf.hrb.com (Herbert G. Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Mini/6270 PC boards?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:44:07 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Is there a source for the printed circuit boards whose layouts are
shown in the documentation for the miniboard and the 6.270 course?

gary greene
hgg@icf.hrb.com
 
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: hertz@ecf.toronto.edu (HERTZ ROGER BARRY)
Subject: 3 DOF gimbals
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: comp.robotics,sci.engr.mech
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:17:23 GMT


Hi,

	I remember seeing a similar question a little while back, but
wanted to post one myself (excuse the repetition):
	
	Does anyone know of a manufacturer of 3 DOF gimbal mechanism?
I have seen a reference to one it a paper, but have never come
across a commercial manufacturer.  I know they exist, but where?  
What type of pointing applications would require the extra (redundant) 
DOF?

	Much appreciated.

Roger Hertz                     |        University of Toronto
(416) 667-7884                  |   Institute for Aerospace Studies
(416) 667-7799 (fax)            |
hertz@ecf.toronto.edu           |      "Write that in your book!"
From: cmcmanis@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Re: looking for locations to buy parts
Date: 12 Dec 1992 07:46:33 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepper

In article <1g2c3nINN335@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (Jonathan P Sawitsky) writes:
>                    ... I would like some help on is the names,
>addresses, and telephone numbers of companies that sell motors,
>miniboards, cables, and such for robotic applications...

I collect this stuff too, and there is a nice list in the back of the
miniboard document that is available as part of the documentation on
building a miniboard. Revenue opportunity here for some resourceful
chap willing to maintain a list and likely parts inventory of various
sources and sell it. (the robot builders source book) 

--
--Chuck McManis						    Sun Microsystems
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis   BIX: <none>   Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM
NIS+ Architect
These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: davidr@davidr.mentorg.com (David Ransier)
Subject: Re: Darren Senn? Where is he?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:39:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Dec14.220234.10636@PacBell.COM>, tlhouns@ns.pacbell.com (Lee Hounshell) writes:
|> Jonny Yeargers (jony@microsoft.com) wrote:
|> : What has happened to Darren Senn and his 'parts kits'? I have not received
|> : a reply to any mail to his address. Any news? JonY@microsoft.com
|> 
|> Yeah.. I've had the same problem.  I ordered 4 kits from him.
|> I finally tried calling him last week.  Apparently, he's moved, and his
|> phone number is changed, but I got through to him using Pacific Bell's
|> "number forwarding" service.  He says that he's like "major busy" right
|> now, and although he has all the parts, he doesn't have time to pack
|> them and send them out.  I offered him some extra cash to send mine
|> right away, (as its the only thing holding up my project) and he declined
|> to take it.  Apparently, we'll all get the kits eventually.
|> 
|> How many people out there who've ordered kits from Darren have
|> actually received them?
|> 
|> --
|> Lee Hounshell - (510) 823-2432
|> tlhouns@srv.pacbell.com
|> Alchemical Engineer and Virtual Realist

-- 
I did several weeks ago.

+++++++++++++
David Ransier  davidr@mentorg.com              These comments are my own. I paid for them. I own them.
               (503) 685-1528  Fax: 685-7704   They're not my employers, and you can't have them.
+++++++++++++
From: v078p6g8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Richard M Wasserman)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Dunfield C-Compiler
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I know this discussion has gone back & forth for a while but I 
seemed to miss the contact info and pricing for the Dunfield hc11 C
compiler.  If someone could E-mail that to me it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
		Rich Wasserman
From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: What robotics contests are out there?
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:54:39 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

I would be interested in knowing some of the robotics contests being run,
I know MIT has some.  I am especially interested in ones in the East.


I finally discovered, at the age of 21, what all of my friends had found out
at 12 or 13-that your parents are just as fucked-up and wierd as everyone
else.  Politically Correct:  Socially, Politcally, and Environmentally
concious to the point of nausea.  tsa%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
From: cmcmanis@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: mobile miniboards
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:03:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepper
Keywords: relatively cheap

So for those of you, like me, whose mechanical aptitude stops when it
comes to precision machining, here is an idea to get your Miniboard on
the move. Radio Shack sells a "Sherman" tank during christmas that
is ideal for a small portable base. It has :
	a) Built in battery compartment with 9v and 4.5v outputs.
	b) two motors, with gearing, driving tracks.
	c) four convienient mounting posts that allow you to mount
	   a perfboard on top.

When you remove the turret/top (four screws) it leaves a pretty usable
base. I've modified them by cutting off the pedestal the on/off switch
sits on to give me an "aircraft carrier" look when the proto board is
mounted on top of the posts. If you are careful you can even salvage the
motor drivers and the RF link but with the Miniboard that isn't necessary.

If you then cut of the "RJ11" portion of the miniboard it fits in the front
where the remote control was. You connect the motors to the motor drivers
on the miniboard, and the 9V to the miniboard and off you go. 

The best deal is to buy these things after christmas when radio shack is
clearing them out.

--
--Chuck McManis						    Sun Microsystems
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis   BIX: <none>   Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM
NIS+ Architect
These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
Newsgroups: comp.robotics,sci.eletcronics
From: man@labrea.zko.dec.com (Richard Man)
Subject: Help on adding memory to HC16 EVB needed
Followup-To: comp.robotics
Reply-To: man@labrea.zko.dec.com (Richard Man)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:39:50 GMT


Hi I am on wit's end trying to add byte-accessible RAM to the Motorola
HC16 EVB. I appreciate any help on this. Thanks.

Goal: add 32K or (64K) RAM to the HC16 EVB to use as data memory. Hence
it must be byte-accessible.

Try #1:
Follows the direction in the exercise program #4 - put RAM chips in both U1
and U3 (word) sockets. The program works. However,
the program accesses the data memory using word instructions. When I try to 
write to the memory using byte instructions, seems to be BOTH odd and even
bytes are changing. The "ghost" byte is not necessarily a copy of the
written byte, but it can be.
FYI, the chip select logic is set up such that CS0, CS1,
and CS2 are all 16 bit ports. CS2 is the chip select for both RAM chips, CS0
is the write enable for one and CS1 is the write enable for the other. Thus
when a byte is written to the memory, both chips are selected by CS2, but
only one is write enabled, which I PRESUME is OK? The signals are verified
by a scope and it appears to be working this way.

Try #2:
Take out the RAM chip from the U1 socket and use the (byte) position on
the U3 socket. Program the chip selects so that CS0, and CS2 are 8 bit ports,
CS1 is left untouched. This time writing a byte appears to write the same byte
to both half of the memory word! FYI: the chip select pgm is as follows:

CSINIT:                         ;Initialize the Chip Selects.....
        LDD     #$0303
        STD     CSBAR0          ;set U3 RAM base addr to $30000: bank 3, 64k
        STD     CSBAR2          ;set Chip Select 2 to fire at base addr $30000
        LDD     #$1370
        STD     CSOR0           ;set Chip Select 0, write only
        LDD     #$1b70
        STD     CSOR2           ;set Chip Select 2, read and write
        LDD     #$3FBB
        STD     CSPAR0          ;set Chip Selects 0,2 to 8-bit ports

Help!
--
- Richard F. Man (man@labrea.zko.dec.com)
"Small Rovers, Big Dreams"

Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant)
Subject: Re: 6270 text... here's something strange
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:43:48 GMT
Reply-To: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant)
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA

In article <1992Dec11.200225.8711@cuug.ab.ca>, jeremiah@cuug.ab.ca (Jerry Jeremiah 290-8941) writes:
|> 
|> Have any of you noticed that the page of the 6270 text that has the expansion
|> board pcb layout doesn't print right?  The artwork runs off the page and on
|> top of the captions.  Every other page worked for me, so why not this one?
|> 

Mine barely fits on the page, but the solder side image overlays the
component side caption.
 
I also have the previous version of the manual, and this page prints
correctly here.  Something must have happened between the two revisions.

-- 

Paul Malenfant
pmalenfa @ kitkat.webo.dg.com (508-870-6460)
From: cpg@cs.utexas.edu (Carlos M. Puchol)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
Subject: Miniboard parts kits
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:27:46 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, UT Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.cs.utexas.edu

I remember seeing some messages about some people not having received
the parts kits from Mr. Darren Senn. I haven't received the kits
yet and he doesn't answer the mail. Could someone post his (new?) telephone
for all those  who have not received the kits. I would like to have a chat
with him.

-- Carlos
Newsgroups: comp.robotics
From: nasiom@hall102.its.rpi.edu (Milton Peter Nasiopoulos)
Subject: Re: Steve Wallace?
Reply-To: nasiom@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.153734.4052@cuug.ab.ca>, jeremiah@cuug.ab.ca (Jerry Jeremiah 290-8941) writes:
|> I'm sorry to waste bandwidth, but I am getting a little worried.
|> I sent steve a money order for 4 miniboard kits and didn't appear
|> on his posted list.  So I mailed him and have not heard back from
|> him in about a month.  Does anyone have his address or phone number.
|> I really need to get hold of him.
|> 
|> >>Jerry


yea, yea, yea...he's probably saving up all the money to take a one way 
ticket to Switzerland!

good luck on getting your kits guys!!!


milt.




merry x-mas