From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Sheep in Organizations
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:00:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Dec25.163305.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>> Because many of us value the preservation of some wilderness on the
>> north american continent, and we would like *our* public land to be used
>> that way. 
>
>Well many off don't care for your ideas of "public land" if you so much want
>public land and parks, then spend some of your own money and buy land and make

Sigh. We already own the land. You want to change the ownership, put up
some money. It's really sickening how many people want to get something for
nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> No. I mean that National Parks are for the benefit of all americans and 
>>>> public property should not be given away. 
>>>> 
>>>Question is how did this "Public Property" come about? And why must the FED
>> 
>> Same way that private property came about: theft. 
>> 
>
>Okay I hope you don;t mind if I steal your private home, and land and make it a
>park so maybe sometime my great grand children might actually visit it..

If you want to claim that the Feds do not have a moral right to Alaskan 
park lands because of how they got them, you should make an effort to 
explain how privately owned land in Alaska was obtained.


>Why must the Government take care of alot of services that can be better taken
>care of by private organizations or by smalller governemtal organizations??

Because they are not better taken care of by private organizations. Do you
guys all read some newsletter to get these pathetic right-wing cliches? I
mean the same phrases keep popping up over and over again. 

>> If you're going to claim that the founding fathers would have agreed with
>> you, you should read some of their writings. While they were big on private
>> property, they were also big on civic duties and public good.
>How can you get private property when must land is locked up for
>'preservation>.

25% of Alaskan land is privately held. That's a lot of acres. Get land
the way the rest of us do, buy it.

>> The reasons for these regulations are that before we had them we enjoyed
>> many terrible and poorly planned roads dams and drainage projects that
>> are now costing us lots of  money to undo. 
>> 
>Well some were badly planned, but why? Question is are they bewtter planed now
>that the FED has its finger in the stew. Nope.. There is a point where micro
>managing goes to far..

There's another one of those cliches. Try thinking for yourself.

>>>As I say again, do I meddle in your politics of your state? If I don't have the
>>>courtesy to not meddle in the polictics of my state. And that includes all
>>>lands therein.. 
>> 
>> Guess again. We all live in the same country, and our federally owned lands
>> are not the property of just the citizens of the states where the properties
>> are found.  But, go ahead, meddle in our state politics, it's a free
>> country.
>
>Okay, next time Kennedy comes up for re-election, Ill donate money for someone
>other to be elected. Only difference between my early family and the Kennedies

Great. The state economy needs all the help it can get. Maybe some of
your friends can get involved as well. Keep those contributions coming
in. 

>Maybe we need to start a new thread, this is getting rather long..

Dull, too. Ok.
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