From: d88-cbr@dront.nada.kth.se (Christian Beijner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board
Subject: Fatal alliances: Q&A + OB
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:33:55 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

First thing first:
In a recent poster I flamed all over the scandinavian expansion board,
and got a better reply from David Bofinger than I deserved.
My main flame was that strat move is impossible in N. Sweden/Finland.
I forgot to mention that I assumed the russkis had taken Petsamo.
The suggestion to allow strat-move to resources would fix most of that. Thanks.
I was just upset, cause I figured the board only adds space/distances.

I wrote to CWJ asking some questions.
I got a real prompt reply. Thanks, CWJ.
I am posting the replies, hoping some of them to be of general interest.
 Most probably by Ken Hole.
I gave multiple-choice possibilities to the questions so usually
the wording is my own, both for question and reply.
When in quotes, its an exact quote from the reply.
() when not in quotes, denotes my own comments.

Q: There should be an automatic lowering of entry values each turn.
A: It says so in the charts.
    
Q: If using italian entry, who controls Italy's units/build until entry.
   Can border units move.
A: Allies.
   Border units cannot move until war entry.
   
Q: If Italy is scheduled to enter both sides simoultaneously, on which
    side does it enter.
A: On the Allied side.
    
Q: Where is the Ottoman Empires second factory.
A: There should be 2 in Constantinople.

Q: Should there really be a FTR in the US setup
A: Yes, actually its an reinforcement to US troops.

Q: If all players bid on how long it will take to defeat the Central
    Powers, what bid is valid.
A: Earliest of Entente bids.

Q: When does the German LS on Sicily move.
A: First during german phase, even if Germany chooses land impulse.
(I found this in the play-aid after sending the question)

Q: So how does french fleets interdict it.
A: "The french fleet may start in Africa. Originally it said "any port"
    so someone said. lets set up in Germany Obviously instead of port it
    should have said "any friendly french port", it is my mistake to say
    "home port""
    
Q: In no major power has any units inside a surrendering major powers
     "country", who conquers it? This is possible if for instance CW
      surrenders due to ship losses and/or surrendering Major Powers.
     Does this result in an immidiate morale loss due to failure to garrison?
     For whom?
A: "No, allow one of the sides which has a hand in forcing it to 
    surrender to "conquer it". If A/H sunk a British ship that turn
    and no Germans did also then A/H conquers it. Allows Germans to TRS
    A/Hs to Britain if possoble. (Gibraltar would be friendly then).
    Otherwise assume British TRSs take them there, they may only leave
    via friendly TRS however."
    
    (I cant say that I am satisfied with this reply, I find conquest
     still the big ? of FA)

Q: What is "country"
A: Any territory controlled at start. (Egypt is part of CW country)

Q: What happens if all (remaining) Major Powers surrender at the same
   time. Are the central Powers defeated.
A: Yes, "In fact that is essentially what occurred historically in game terms"

Q: Is the (?) on lower left observer values? (on planes)
A: Yes.

Q: So there is a worthless turkish spotter.
A: No, it should be (1). "oops"

Q: Is the ()-number on artillery also defense strength.
A: No, artillery has no defense. "It can be overrun like a plane it suffers
        the same fate as a plane would, it could not rebase however"
        
Chris

PS. Our one played game ended in conceding from the allies, after a russian surrender in Dec 1917. (And the russian had put down Mar/Apr 18' as defeat date of the central powers) The german had refrained from making any big attacks in the west, and concentrated on the russians. In the west the french army could not get better odds than 1-1. Ottoman Empire had surrendered, but the central powers managed to stop the desperate attack of the allies up the Balkan. CW was on the brink of surrendering due to ship




 losses. And Italy was also in the danger zone. And the US was nowhere in sight. Germany had taken heavier losses in the naval war, but recovered much more quickly, due to that "+5", better production and the blockade table. We figured continued play would end in CW defeat due to ship losses, followed by an Italian surrender, leaving France to cope with Germany and Austro-Hungary.

Anyone figured how to get the german down???

Fatal Alliances OB.  Format unit. Columnwise additions. W= white print.
The turkish OB has been corrected, but I missed Putnik stats.(1(3)2?)
Germany
W.Infantry	Mountain      Leaders			FTRs
 3 8-2	  	1 7-2	      Hinden/Luden 1(4)2	5  1-0-0
 5 7-2	        1 6-2	      Mackensen    1(3)2	4  2-0-0
14 6-2	        Cav	      Eichorn	   1(3)2	3  3-0-0
14 5-2          2 4-3	      Falkenhayn   1(3)2	1  4-1-0
 4 4-2	        2 3-3	      Albrecht	   1(2)2	1  5-1-0
B.Infantry	Artillery     Rupprecht	   1(2)2	OBs
 3 5-2	  	 1  (3)-1 Albrecht		        4  0-(1)-0	 
 8 4-2 (2 C)     2  (2)-1 Mortar			1  Stoss 9-2 W
 5 3-2 (2 C) 	 3  (1)-1 76.2 mm		        1  Stoss 8-2 W
56		12	      6		               20		       

Bombers	     	LS		     HS	
1  0-1-1	 2 2-0-4	 6-1-5	Seydlitz/Moltke
1  0-2-1	 2 2-0-5	 7-1-4	Posen/Rheinland	
1  1-1-2	 2 3-0-4	 7-2-4	Helgoland/Oldenburg
1  1-0-2	 1 3-0-5	 8-1-4	Kaiser/Kaiserin
Zeppeliners      1 3-1-4	 8-2-4	Macken/Graf Spee	
1  1-(1)-0       1 4-0-4	 8-2-4	Markgraf/Knig
2  1-(1)-1       1 4-1-4	 9-2-4	Lutzow/Hindenburg	
1  1-(1)-2       1 4-1-5	 9-2-4	Baden/Bayern
	         3 TRS   	 4 SUBS	
8		14       	12	     		Total:	128

France
W. Infantry	Cavalry		HQs		     FTRs
2  7-2	   	1 4-3	    	Joffre	 1(3)2	     3 1-0-0	  
6  6-2	   	2 3-3	    	Petain	 1(3)2	     3 2-0-0	  	
5  5-2   	Artillery	Foch	 1(3)2       1 3-0-0	  	
6  4-2	  	2 (2)-1		Nivelle  1(2)2	     1 4-1-0
B. Inf	 	2 (1)-1			  	     OBs
3  5-2	        Tank		Bombers	     	     3 0-(1)-0
6  4-2	(1 C)   1 2-2	        1 1-2-0	     	     1 0-(1)-1
6  3-2	(1 C)	1 1-2	        1 1-2-1
34	      	9		6		     12	

LS      		            HSs	
2	 2-0-4		6-1-4	Corbet/Jean Bart	
1	 2-0-5		7-2-4	Lorraine/Bretagne
1	 3-0-4		8-2-4	Bearn/Flandre
1	 3-1-4
1	 3-1-5	
3	 TRS
9			3				Total:	73

Commonwealth				
W. Inf		Allies		HQs			FTRs		
1 8-2		1 8-2(C)W	Haig	1(3)2		3	1-0-0
2 7-2		1 6-2(C)W	Allenby 1(3)2		3	2-0-0
3 6-2		1 7-2(A)W	French  1(2)2		2	3-0-0
2 5-2		1 6-2(A)W	Artillery		1	4-1-0
B. Inf		1 5-2(I)W	1	(2)-1		OBs		
3 5-2		1 4-2(I)	1	(1)-1		4	0-(1)-0	
2 4-2	(1 C)	Cav		1	(0)-1		Bombers
TG		1 4-3		Tanks			1	0-0-1
2  3-1				1	 2-1		1	0-1-1
2  2-1				1	 1-1		1	0-2-0
17		7		8			16		

			HSs	 5-1-4	Invincible/Indomitable
LSs				 5-1-5	Lion/N. Zealand	
5	 2-0-4			 6-1-4	Hercules/Neptune
2	 2-0-5			 6-1-4	Vanguard/Superb
1	 2-0-6			 6-1-5	Australia/Queen Mary
3	 3-0-4			 7-1-4	Orion/Conqueror
1	 3-0-5			 7-2-4	Benbow/Iron Duke	
1	 3-1-4			 7-2-4	Repulse/Reknown	
1	 3-1-5			 7-1-4	KGV/Ajax
1	 4-1-4			 8-1-4	Malaya/Canada
1	 4-1-5			 8-2-4	Barham/Warspite
12	TRSs			 8-2-4	Revenge/Resolution	
				 8-2-4	Hood/Rodney
28				13			Total:	89
 
Russia
W. Inf	Cavalry	HQs			FTRs				
4  6-2	1  5-3	Brusilov	1(4)2	3	1-0-0		
6  5-2	2  4-3	Alekseev	1(3)2	1	2-0-0	
12 4-2	4  3-3	Nicholas	1(2)2	1	3-0-0
2  3-2	3  2-3	Ivanov		1(1)2	OBs				
B. Inf	Artille.Jilinsky	1(1)2	2	0-(1)-0
1  5-2	1  (0)-1			Bomber				
5  4-2	1  (1)-1			1	0-2-0
23 3-2	1  (2)-1						
53	13	5			8

LSs				HSs
2	2-0-4			5-1-4	Mariya/Nikolay
1	3-1-4			5-1-4	Gangut/Sevastopol	
1	TRS			6-1-5	Izmail/Borodino
4				3		Total:	86

Ottoman Empire
W.Inf	Militia	HQs		FTRs	OBs		LSs
1 5-2	1 3-2	Ata Turk 1(3)2  1 1-0-0	2 0-(1)-0	4-1-5 Goeben	
2 4-2	2 2-2	Enver	 1(1)2  1 2-0-0			2-0-4		
4 3-2	1 1-2	  		1 3-0-0
B. Inf	Cavalry Artillery		1 TRS
4 3-2	1 3-3	1 (1)-1
5 2-2
16	5	3		3	3		2  Total: 32

Austria-Hungary		
W. Inf	 	Cavalry	HQs		FTRs
3  6-2	 	1  4-3	Ermelli 1(3)2	3  1-0-0		
6  5-2	 	3  3-3	Eugene  1(2)2	2  2-0-0	
5  4-2			Conrad  1(2)2	2  3-0-0
4  3-2		Artill.	Arz	1(2)2	1  4-0-0
B. Inf		1 (2)-1	Mountain	OBs
4  4-2	(1 C)	1 (1)-1	1  6-2 W	3	0-(1)-0
11 3-2  (3 C)
33		6	5		11		

Bombers		LSs		HSs
1	 0-1-1	1  2-0-4	6-1-4	P.Eugen/Tegetthof
1	 0-1-0	1  3-0-4	7-2-4	VIII/IX
		1  4-1-4	1	TRS
2		3		3			Total:	63

Italy
W. Inf		Mountain	HQs	 		FTRs
1  6-2		1  5-2 W 	Diaz	 1(3)2		2  1-0-0
3  5-2		Cavalry		Cadorna  1(1)2		1  2-0-0
4  4-2		1  3-3					1  3-0-0
2  3-2		Artillery				1  4-1-0
B. Inf		1 (2)-1		Bombers			OBs
2   4-2		1 (1)-1		1 0-1-0			3 0-(1)-0
7   3-2
19		4		3			8
 LSs         	HSs
1  4-1-4   	6-1-4  Conte Cavour/LDV	
1  3-0-4   	8-1-4  Caracciolo/Cris. C.
1  2-0-5
1  2-0-4
2  TRS	
6		2	Total:	42
USA
W. Inf		Cavalry		HQs			FTRs
1 8-2		1  4-3		Pershing  1(4)2		2  1-0-0
1 7-2		Artillery	Bullard   1(3)2		2  2-0-0
5 6-2		1 (2)-1					2  3-0-0
6 5-2		1 (1)-1					1  4-1-0
2 4-2							Bomber
B. Inf							1  0-1-1
5 4-2							
20		3		2			8
		
OBs		LSs		HSs
2  0-(1)-0	1  2-0-4	9-2-4	New Mexico/Idaho	
1  0-(2)-0	1  2-0-5	8-2-4	Pennsylvania/Arizona	
		1  3-0-4	7-2-4	New York/Texas
		1  3-1-5	6-1-4	Florida/Delaware
		6  TRS	
3		10		4			Total:	50

Minors
Rumania		  Bulgaria	Serbia		Montenegro   Belgium
Ferdinand 1(1)2	  Zhekov 1(2)2	Putnik		1 3-2 W	     1 4-2
1 5-2 W		  1 5-2 W	1 6-2 W		Norway	     1 3-2
1 4-2 W		  3 4-2 W	1 5-2 W		1 4-2	     Netherl.
1 4-2		  2 3-2		1 4-2 W		Greece	     1 4-2
2 3-2				2 3-2 W		1 5-2 W
				1 3-2		1 3-2

6		  7		7		4	     3
Total:	27
+	Lawrence of Arabia
	Game Turn
	Impulse	
	Year	
	Init
	5	Halfhexes
Total:	10			Grand Total:	600