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From: ed@fhouse.UUCP (Ed Felton)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Is it...Jacobian Meyers?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:21:23 GMT
Organization: Summa Technology, Inc.

shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD @ Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange) once wrote....
>In a recent missive yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) tells us:
>*
>*[...]
>*
>Stop looking for a free handout from me.  You know nothing of the work
>and effort I put in, unless you truly think you can judge that from
>the net, in which case..well..that'd be pretty short-sighted.
>
>*      Let's see if Annie is going to become "just another lawyer"
>*      now that she's all done with school, or if she's really
>*      going to come out fighting!
>
>
>Well, you got your wish, I came out fighting.  Probably wasn't the
>fight you expected, but I suspect it was about time.

  Way to go Anne!! I'm going to have to agree with Anne on this one.  Just 
  because a person is "net.connected", does it mean that they owe the net 
  something of their livelyhood to the net?  If I'm a Stock Analyst, does
  that mean that I'm to give everyone on the net free stock tips?  If I'm
  a butcher, do I have to mail chops to everyone?  The net is first and 
  foremost a voluntary, cooperative venture that people enter into to 
  (1) gain information, and (2) to "give a little back" by answering those
  questions that fall into their special area of expertise.  This doesn't
  mean that someone with a legal background (for example) should become the
  "net.lawyer", chasing the whims and fancies of the net for free.

  I'm a systems type, doing systems design and programming, as well as 
  network administration.  I answer the questions I know how to answer,
  and I ask the ones I don't...  That's how the net works.

>-- 
>   LOOKING FOR:  Stewart Woodward, Hobson Woodward, Lorna Taylor & JJ Lancey
>I am: Anne Mitchell, mom, & founder of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
>Ask me about FREE!  FREE files available via anonymous ftp 128.45.1.1; dir /pub
>                       DE STELLA MARTIS VERE VENISTI
BTW, Keep up the good work Anne!  I know you'll make an excellent lawyer!


----
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Senior Analyst         |  management (or mine either for that matter).
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(205) 922-4058         |         Vote early, and vote often.
From: obrien@sparc28.hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Mortgage qualification w/child support
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


I have been trying to buy a house for a few months now, and
I'm real frustrated because my child support payment pushs
me over the normal allowance acceptable for long term debt.

The house price I'm looking at is 65k, and I'm puting 20%
so I'm mortaging 54k. The only debt I have is my support
payment, which is 1,000.00 month. With the support and the
mortgage payment taxes and Ins, my long term debt is 1,460.00
which is approx 40% on my monthly income. The banks think
it should be closer tp 36%, so this means I have to look for
a house in the mid 50's. 

Something is wrong here. I'm trying to qualify for a $375.00
a month mortgage, which is 1/2 my current RENT, and I don't
qualify. Well I guess I'm stumped for ideas, if you have any,
could you Please pass them my way...

                                       thankx  jim...


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From: rodean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruce Rodean)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:47:01 GMT
Subject: Ex to move out of state
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Ft. Collins, CO.
Newsgroups: alt.child-support

I haven't been reading alt.child-support for a while, but now I want to
ask the net about a situation I'm about to enter in.  My ex has been
living in a city about 45 miles away from the one I live in, and I've
been having my two children (ages 7 and 9) at least every other weekend
year-round plus extended times through the summer.  This has been the
arrangement for the three years since our divorce.

She has been offered a job (and her current job at a local university is
ending) at a university in Atlanta, Georgia, far from Colorado.  I am
not going to fight the move, since I feel it would largely be fruitless
based upon what my attorney said at the time of divorce about the
possibilities of preventing a move.  He said that a judge will usually
permit an out-of-state move for two reasons--better employment or
remarriage--assuming that there are no other problems in the parenting
role.

I would like to ask the net for information on how they have managed
long-distance relationships with their children--everything from the
emotional aspects to the pragmatic (schedules, payments, etc.).  I know
that it was very hard in the beginning for me to be separated by only 45
miles, and I'm not certain how well I am going to handle this.

Thanks to anyone who wishes to speak up.  E-mail is fine.

Bruce Rodean
rodean@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Class-action suits
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:25:21 GMT

In article <1682B7E5D.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
>Class-action suits can be brought against particular and specified entities
>(persons, business entities, governments [if they choose to allow themselves
>to be sued]).
> 
>How can a suit be brought against an entire CLASS of people?
> 

	Good question.  That's what I've been asking "the experts".


>How does Alan Yasutovich propose that an entire class of people all be served
>notice that their day in court is coming?  Newspaper ads?
> 

	I don't.  I'm asking.  Just because you don't know the system
	doesn't mean it can't be done.  And I also don't know how
	people who are involved in these suits are told.  My presumption
	is that they don't *have* to know. It's issue oriented.

>No, this is properly the domain of legislatures.  Get the state and Federal
>laws changed -- a daunting prospect.  (The nation couldn't even get the
>Equal Rights Amendment passed, which stated simply that discrimination
>based solely on sex was henceforth to be illegal.)
> 

	And basing your chance of success on other issues is a *REAL*
	good way of judging your own possibilities.



	Boy.  I can see *you're* a rocket scientist.
-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Is it...Jacobian Meyers?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.235446.3049272@locus.com>
jpaul@locus.com (James Hensley) writes:
 
>  M20614@mwvm.mitre.org may not be aware of this, but in the
>net.announce.newusers newsgroup, it is stated that corrections of grammar
>and spelling are in bad taste.  M20614 has done this 5 times in one article,
>just to make someone look bad.  Look, M20614, if you want to make someone look
>bad, do it in a more creative way, willya?  Better yet, lighten up.
 
There are typos (transposing of letters, etc.), which it would be inexcusable
to correct.  Then there are mispelled words ("privilege" and "kernel" are two
that are misspelled all the time on the net).  Letting mispellings go by
(usually) is easy.  But using the WRONG WORD is just plain atrocious writing.
  "Your" is not the same as "you're."
  "Their," "they're," and "there" are not the same.
  "Its" is not the same as "it's".
  "Cite," "site," and "sight" are not the same.
  And so forth.
 
Unfortunately, many people are PROUD of being unlettered; and
deliberately flaunt their inability to use their mother tongue.
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:46:23 EDT
From: <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: [L] Luthor Uses the Wall

     Luthor arrived at the wall of flames and looked at Salamander.
     "This is your work I suppose.  Don't you have anything more offensive?"
he asked.
     "It was *supposed* to be a fireball, I don't know what happened," Sal
responded sounding slightly embarassed.
     That was all Luthor needed to hear.  He closed his eyes and saw the
wall in his mind's eye.  He saw the a wall of flames burning with magical
fire, leaping into the mid-afternoon sky, fueled by a web of magic that
was improperly woven.  He took this web and saw it shrinking...smaller and
smaller it became (Much like the 4' tall SunStorm ;-).  Finally, the web
was nothing but a point of intense magical energy.
     Luthor opened his eyes in time to dee the dragon rushing toward him.
The wall of flames was gone, and in its place was a small ball of blue light.
He was momentarily paralized with a choice.  He could either use the magic
from the wall against the dragon and get bitten, OR he could release the
energy and dodge the attack.  He hesitated for only an instant...then he
saw the point of energy fly toward the dragon.  When it hit, there was a
tremendous explosion.
     Although the dragon's attack was partially deflected, one of his claws
still hit Luthor in the chest, causing him to fly through the air and fall
through the portal to the Realms.  He landed on the hot sand and threw up a
cloud of dust.  The sand beneath slowly turned red...

     Love and Peace and Deserts,
            -The Dreamer-
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: [KQ] Maleiu[Th' Ram]: This should do it
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:30:22 GMT

The fight is certainly winding down.  Sambul is facing off the Beer Elemental,
Kron and Colin the thing Moriarty conjured up, Fenris and HighFlyer are
polishing off the rest of the recalcitrant patrons, and the remaining Bannery
Brother is looking uncertain about the whole thing.  And Gillian the Gnome-cum-
Lizard Man?

He gashes Thk's arm, turns into a copper dragon, and flies off through a hole
in the roof.  And suddenly the Beer Elemental turns on its master, tossing him
through the air towards the mirror.  Maleiu barely dodges out of the way in
time--the Elemental seemed to have been throwing the lizard man right at him.
It then turns its attention to Sambul, however.

He sees the mage out of the corner of his eye conjuring something else, until
an unseen being(...sage's servant again)tears his conjuring brazier from his
grasp, only to flee before more insubstantial beings.  The magician leaps out
instinctively after his brazier, suddenly realizing that this has placed him in
the middle of combat.

Maleiu throws his bola once more...snaring the magician in his moment of
immobility.  As Kron disperses the one-eyed being, Maleiu walks over to the
mage and says, "I'll offer you the same choice I offered the thief over there.
You can surrender quietly, or you can get knocked out like he did.  Or, if you
give us some information, perhaps we'll even let you go like Queriche. The
choice is yours."

Moriarty looks around at the battle.  Fenris and HighFlyer are double-teaming
the last Bannery Brother; Fenris distracts the bruiser's attention and
HighFlyer, from ten feet away, makes a pushing motion.  The Bannery Brother
steps back into a puddle of oil, slips, and cracks his head on one of the few
intact tables.  The mage suddenly realizes that he's the only representative of
Verdigren's forces awake to tell what happened.  Nobody will know...he can
claim to have fulfilled his debt to Verdigren, to the best of his ability.

"Sure," he says.  "What do you want to know?"

--
---Alfvaen(a.k.a. Aaron V. Humphrey, Page of Newts)
Canadian Network For Space Research, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
"The bullroarer churns a Moebius strip of sound..."  Anna Amabiaca
Current Album--Squeeze:Babylon And On
Current Read--Barry N. Malzberg:Overlay
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Diantonio)
Subject: ADMIN Surprise!
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:50:08 GMT


This just a prelude.  A diversion, if you will.  It will alert
some people onto whats going on.  Give Nightstalker a chance to 
investigate.  Give some players a much needed battle.  I not going
to move to fast.  Heaping everything on at once would be a very
bad idea.  So have fun with your battle.  Just e-mail me and 
I 'll organize the post.  I will continue to post different plans
of our local baddies to help everyone in understanding thier motives.
Feel free to add your own villian's choice of targets.  From now
on this will be preceded by [inv]. To arms.

Lathan Lancehand
Mark DiAntonio
bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu

Keywords: 

Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio)
Subject: [inv] Skeletons strike back at Rhys
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:19:22 GMT


Rhys had taken three of the walking sets of bones.  Another skeleton
swung his rusty sword at Rhys.  He dodged the blow, crushing the
skull of his attacker with a counter.  Suddenly a tremedous roar
shook the ground and a ball of acid flew straight at Rhys...

DiA
bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Diantonio)
Subject: [*inn*] Surprise! Dragon Attacks!
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:28:30 GMT


Included : all people in the inn

The streets near the Dragons inn exploded.  Armed skeletons and zombies
poured out of the hole.  Close behind them was a small legion of
ten ogres.  From behind all of them rose an immense black dragon!
The dragon flew to his target, the Dragons-inn.  
"Such an ironic name." thought the dragon. His troops underneath him
sped on foot. The chance to pilage was enough reason for the ogres to
attack.  The skeletons mindlessly wandered the street directed by some 
higher force to thier destination.
"Ah! Just what we need.",  the black dragon cast his favorite spell -
darkness.  A black cloud enveloped him, matching him to the night sky.

*****

Fidress had never been so scarred, but he had to think quick.  "What
would Nightstalker do in a situation like this.  God knows he has
dealt with such threats before."  He watched in terror as the skeletons
walked past him.  They didn't notice him behind the barrel.  Quickly 
he sped towards the inn through the short cut known to he and his
fellow beggars.  His lungs burned and his head pounded.  The burst the
 door and yelled --
"WE ARE UNDER ATTACK.  TO ARMS.  TO ARMS.
Fidress then collapsed to the floor with a thud.
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Two Dreamers?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:00:33 GMT

In article <92205.125405ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>Morgan "the Dreamer" Broman                     mabr@sweden.hp.com
>>a.k.a Morgan deGrey (in the S.C.A)
>>a.k.a Morlacad "Shade" ShadowHawk (in L.R.P.G)
>
>     I am "The Dreamer"...accept no imitations ;-).  Seriously though,
>don't get the two of us confused.
>
>     Love and Peace and Stolen Nicknames,
>               -The Dreamer-

Hey, who cares? We've already got two Sage's, after all ;)
Welcome aboard, Dreamer #2...
From: s9100433@win4.vut.EDU.AU (Duncan M Jurisic)
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: Re: [L] Helen Hears of Luthor
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:54:55 GMT
Organization: Victoria University Of Technology, Melbourne, Australia

<ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>     "WHAT!  He left for the Realms!  I just spent most of the remainder
>of my life travelling to Generica and he is going back.  This MUST be part
>of the curse," she says showing a brief hint of something deadly and then
>a flood of grief.  All she could do for the next few minutes was try to
>supress her tears.
>     "Does anyone of a mage that can get me to Luthor or to the Realms
>quickly?  I have money to pay for their services." she said loud enough
>for everyone in the room to hear.
 
Firecat leans back, sipping on his ale.....
	"I have seen a number of mages come in and out through those doors..
	but I am unsure whether any would be able to do what you need...."
	"I am not well versed with the ways of mages...."

He continues with his drink and a light comes into his eyes...

	"I seem to remember that The Nightstalker is a mage though......"

--
This is my .sig until further notice...
    Mail s9100433@win4.vut.edu.au with any comments, opinions, statements, or
 even facts....
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Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:04:54 -0400 
From: John Charles Fiala <jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: RE: [DQ] Helen Hears the Riddle

Helen sez:
>     "One of you said that you didn't know what a rook was.  A rook is a
>castle.  Maybe this first part refers to a secret that a thief stole and
>wrote in a book.  Then he hid this book in the nook of a castle," she
>said to a rather odd looking dwarf (SunStorm).

Delena, drinking a glass of water, butts in.  "Well, actually,
a rook is a kind of bird, actually.  'A parliment of rooks' referrs
to their odd tendancy to cover a field with rooks, all of which
listen to one who 'talks' to them... after which they either all
leave the field.. or fall upon the speaking rook, killing it before
they leave.  An odd habit for birds to have, but they do it anyway."

Delena smiles, and walks over to Felix.

"So, care to tour the city with me?  I usually look about cities I move 
into, and I could use some company, quite likely."

-john
"No cat out of its first fur was ever deceived by appearances,
unlike humans, who seems to enjoy it."
jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu	-The Last Unicorn
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:33:02 EDT
From: <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: RE: [DQ] Helen Hears the Riddle

>Delena, drinking a glass of water, butts in.  "Well, actually,
>a rook is a kind of bird, actually.  'A parliment of rooks' referrs
>to their odd tendancy to cover a field with rooks, all of which
>listen to one who 'talks' to them... after which they either all
>leave the field.. or fall upon the speaking rook, killing it before
>they leave.  An odd habit for birds to have, but they do it anyway."

     Helen flushed with embarrassment.
     "I'm so sorry.  I have never heard of these birds that you speak of.
They are not native of my land.  The rooks I was talking about are the
symbols of castles in a game called 'Ketta.  I just thought that some from
this place might also play 'Ketta...guess I was wrong," she said with
regret, turning back to the gnome.

      Love and Peace and Regret,
           -The Dreamer-
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: The Nightstalker returns
Summary: A tale of The Nightstalkers journeys....
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:26:12 GMT


It is night in the Dragon's Inn, and buisness is as usual.  There are many
sorts from many different lands, speaking in many different tongues about
far away places.  Generica is a particularly well placed city, thanks to
great foresight on the part of Melwis the magnificant, who's seventh generation
family member, Melwis the Wise, now administers Generica.

Elves, Dwarves, and creatures whose names can only be guessed at throng here,
as well as men of yellow skin, black and hues of brown.  Into this mass
strides a familiar figure to the regulars of the Inn.  It is The Nightstalker,
a figure who is now legendary amongst the people of Generica.  It is said that
he appeared from nowhere, sometime early last year, and began to stalk the
streets at night, slaying evil where he found it.  (More later on the back-
ground of this mysterious figure).

"Greetings friends, I have retruned, and indeed I have missed much since I
have been gone.  It is good to see my favorite establishment in the city
still stands, yet I fear that the worst is yet to come.  But still, before
I venture once more into the night to seek and find, I will tarry a while
and tell you of where I have been and what I have seen."

He sits at the bar, and is provided with some bread and cheese, and a mug
of cold water.

"As some of you noticed, my indestructability is not as I would like it,
although I must warn the evil of this city, that I have gained in power
since my recooperation.  The elf who came for me is Ry-Clar, and is from
the Great Forest, which is to the east of here.  I went to stay with him
and his people, and the myriads of sylvan folk who live in the forest.
It abounds with pretty sprites and dryads, leprechauns and all manner of
fairie folk.  They are delightful and most hospitable to certain folk, of
which I am honoured to say I am among them.  Perhaps another time I might
take some of you, who are fair of heart, to walk among them.  Those who they
not wish to find them, will indeed not find them, for they have the heart
of the forest on their side.  The power of the forest is strong, and resists
the evil that assaults it."

"Anyway, Ry-Clar and I left the city and we mounted horses that he had brought
and rode towards the Great Forest, across the plains.  The first night saw
heavy rains, and we were slowed to a walk.  One of the horses stopped dead,
and in front of us appeared to be some old ruins, of what we could not tell.
Upon dismounting we found what appeared to be an old set of stone stairs, which
disappeared into the ground.  We tied the horses to a tree, covering them in
the elven waterproof cloaks we had brought, and ventured down into the ground."

To be continued....




--
 
The Nightstalker....


God doesn't play dice.
      -- Albert Einstein
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:22:55 EDT
From: <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pub.dragons-inn
Subject: [L] ADMIN: Helen and Firecat sub-thread

     Well, it appears that Firecat's posts take a while to get to everyone,
so there was a slight time/space distortion.  Things should be cleared up
now and we will be alternating posts (like Captain and Lady Azzar did, I think)
     Sorry for the confusion.

     Love and Peace and Chaos,
          -The Dreamer-

PS. I currently have MANY characters.  If this is annoying anyone, please tell
    me.  I do intend to kill some off and retire others after the Luthor [L]
    thread runs its course.