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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: ...
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:21:17 GMT
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In article <714146763.470000.D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU> D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby) writes:

>  Asking for books debunking satanism on this list dumb? Far from it.
>You presuppose there's not a single person on this list who is
>anti-satanism? Or curiosity seekers? etc? I plan to join the 

I would say there are lots who fit the above category. The simple fact is;
NONE OF THESE BOZOS are capable of "debunking satanism", simply because all the
important bits aren't bunk (posturing, theological nonsense etc.) The one 
reader I know of who is probobly capable of debunking is Dartlyn the Witchling.
SHe is a reader of Wilson & Leary's books (sorry Dart yer sex is in question)
which are the only things I've read so far that are capable of "debunking"
satanism. The unfortunate aftereffect (for your ego anyway) of reading these
 is that you won't have the same beliefs you do now (xtian or otherwise). If ya
want sensationalism there's plenty o crap out there.

>It all amuses me greatly. I sometimes frequent places where opinions
>contrary to my own abound. Something you might want to try, if only
>for your own amusement. I enjoy being the voice of dissent from time
>to time.

Try living in the Satanists reality tunnel for a while. Nearly everyone you 
meet will have opinions contrary to your own (if they know your beliefs; if 
they don't they often tend to agree with you)at one level or another.

>form of reasoning. heh... Yes Reuben, there's a conspiracy on
>every corner. 

You are correct here.

>  To the surveyer: law of conservation of matter and energy? Sure.
>The atoms that make up my body will most likely last forever

Actually according to the latest... Oh never mind...

>the particles atoms are made of). Lucretius said this many moons
>ago in De Rerum Natura - The Nature of Things. He believed that the

Geez how about something a little more current (and valid- Lucretius started
from a false presumtion)


> As far as the soul/personality existing after death, your belief
>is highly contrary to the findings of psychology/neuroscience.
>The personality and its qualities are highly dependent on physical
>variables/the state of the brain. A good book for you, if you're
>interested, is "The Illusion of Immortality" by Corliss Lamont.
>Check it out. Even if it doesn't win you over, it's still good
>intellectual exercise.

Agreed; always look at the other guys reality tunnel (even if you wish to
smash it)

>     Pax,

et Phobos

-Scott (ontological freedom fighter)



Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:01:26 GMT

In article <920817044611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)
>
>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

I donno, if god is a real evil SOB who rewards those who cause the most
suffering and pain [thats why the world was created, for His enjoyment]
and I was an evil little shit, I hope I do..

>
>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>heaven?" What would you say?

If god is evil, I would lie, he'd like that. If those Xians are right
I would say "hey you never gave enough evedence for me to believe in
your existance, what do you expect. Don't be a prick let me in.
If he didn't, screw him"

>
>What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

You don't know???? I guess this means you have none.
>
>Bye,
>CDC
>


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Invoking stronger demons
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: alt.satanism
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:14:19 GMT
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In article <BstJEu.J2L@world.std.com> jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman) writes:
>As a new initiate to satanism I am in search of some advice.  I have practiced

>So, I'm asking for suggestions.  I want more possession.  I want to be
>consumed by the demons.  It is with them that I shall find satisfaction.

>    -John
>    (jwi@world.std.com)

I worry about this one. As my karate instructor once quipped to an over-zealous
student,"You!!! Too much T.V.!!!!!!!" *slap*

-Scott
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:38:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug13.145045.25847@cs.mun.ca> brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>
>Then again it aint rape, it's interpersonal assertiveness
>
>Hey why cna't rapists define their own term....
>who cares about others..
>
	Because the definition has remained the same.  If you want to call it
interpersonal assertiveness, fine, but it still constitutes rape.  Our   
argument is that the DEFINITION of Satanism most commonly found is false.
Therefore, we see no need to change the name, but the definition.

>Wow 2 spelling and one typo mistake...
>cool I am improving:)
>
	In what way?  I see little improvement.

>I FLEX IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!! :)

	I laugh in your general direction!!!

>VOLCANO

	Raymond H. Rich
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: possible FAQ in the works
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:26:37 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show


Okay, okay. . .I've started working on an FAQ for the newsgroup,
and when I've got something I feel is appropriate I'll post it
for comments.

later,

-r
 
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism,rec.arts.books
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
From: petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it (Petruz Boonenkamp)
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:31:02 +0100
Reply-To: petruz@uqbar.UUCP (Petruz Boonenkamp)
 <1992Aug12.064754.14217@panix.com> <4eWFIsK00Uh_81ObZY@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Aug13.042706.15925@panix.com>

In article <1992Aug13.042706.15925@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>Inconsistant only with what YOU have decided our philosophy is. Based on
>my above points, I think it's clear that to engage in bestiality is
>to limit the sexual freedom of the animal. 

But then, killing and eating the animal is to limit its freedom to live!
Why should the animal's sexual freedom be more important than its freedom
to live?  Or is satanism only compatible with vegetarianism?-)

>No, a religion needent be dependant on belief in external deities. Our

Right, and to underscore that this wider understanding of "religion" is
NOT by any means limited to satanists, one has but to look at Taoism, or
many varieties of Buddhism (the latter, referring to its most ancient
sect and to some Han/Zen ones, has been called an atheist religion...).
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
From: Steve.Gross@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:01:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.022459.11564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:


>>Jesus Saves
>
>Gretzgy Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!


HAHAHAHA!  Classic.  I think that you missed the meaning though.
(sfg)


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From: safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Subject?
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:48:14 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Jesus Saves
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From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:27:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
> Jesus Saves

Unfortunately, his savings were wiped out when Neal Bush et al.
fomented the collapse of a number of banking institutions.  He
was able to recoup some of his losses via the federal deposit
insurance, but at current writing his mortgage is still in
doubt and his business is very shakey due to a lack of
leverage.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:25:39 GMT

In article <920817044611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

Why is "in the ground" not a valid answer? 

Mark
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From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Get these guys off here! (was Subject?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:47:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug21.033151.24207@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>>Jesus Saves
>[Atypical response deleted]
>'safecrac@west.darkside.com' is a pseudonym.  Chris Colvin may or may
>not be, but God knows.  See you in Hell, 'Chris.'

Chris Colvin is probably not a pseudonym.  A quick look at the
newsgroups line, and some cross-checking, brings up the "Survey"
thread from last week -- will you go to heaven? etc.  That thread
was posted by Chris and Susan Colvin, 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM.

This calls for a new addition to the old "KILL" file...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Survey II
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:14:45 GMT

In article <920818045236_70253.2621_CHC67-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
> ...  Question: What is life?  Is it energy
>of some sort? It must be.  It would take some type of energy for our
>bodies to move, give off heat, make our brain have feelings, etc.  If not
>energy, then what?  Once this body wears out, or someone plugs it full of
>lead, or an individual OD's, what happens to this life energy?  If energy
>can't be created or destroyed, then something must happen to it.  If that
>energy contains your personality in an organized form (sine wave?), what
>happens to your personality?

I really get tired of people who, with an incomplete understanding of
the issues involved, try an justify their religious beliefs via 
pseudo-scientific gibberish.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: orac@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Giovacchini)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:34:13 GMT

In article 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:

>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

	Ok, in a box then.....

>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

	I do not believe there is such a place, so the answer
 must be no.

>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>heaven?" What would you say?

	I do not believe in such a thing, so the answer 
 must be no.

>What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

	Maybe it is, may it is not...



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      ( orac@chinet.chi.il.us )     | enables you to recognize a mistake when
       In the year XXVII A.S.       | you make it again.  -F. P. Jones
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: I Question this Institution
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:05:09 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show


Ask yourself this question:

"what reason do I have to belive there is a Heaven or Hell?"

Okay, now ask yourself this:

"If in my religion Satan is the father of lies,  mightn't he be
something else entirely in a differen't religion?"

Ahhh, but I guess you would reject that because you believe
that Satan was c reated by god, and we think he and all
gods and spirits are created in the minds of Man.

Go fly a kite.

-R
 


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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Survey II
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:52:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <920818045236_70253.2621_CHC67-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>I asked:
>
>1. Where would you go after you die?  (in the ground is not a valid
>answer)
>
	Ok, into a big oven and then into a small urn.  Happy?

>Many asked, "Why is 'in the ground' not a valid answer?"  Because I wrote
>the rules :-).  No, not really.  The purpose was to get folks to think why
>they would answer, "In the ground," and expand on their answer.  It
>worked.  Bottom line, a lot of readers here don't believe in an
>afterlife.  That's their choice.  Question: What is life?  Is it energy
>of some sort? It must be.  It would take some type of energy for our
>bodies to move, give off heat, make our brain have feelings, etc.  If not
>energy, then what?  Once this body wears out, or someone plugs it full of
>lead, or an individual OD's, what happens to this life energy?  If energy
>can't be created or destroyed, then something must happen to it.  If that
>energy contains your personality in an organized form (sine wave?), what
>happens to your personality?
>
	The energy that is emanated in body heat and motion is due to an
intake of carbohydrates and complex compounds we earthlings call "food".
When we die, we stop eating, so there is no more production of said energy.
	How's that for logic? 

>2. If you died tonight, would you go to heaven?  Folks answered anything
>from "Heaven is a judeo-christian concept," to "It's a hallucination."
>
	No.  I'm much happier alive, thank you.

>3. If you were at the gate of heaven and God asked, why should I let you
>into my heaven?  Many said "Man, I'd be surprised if that happened, why
>would I want to enter 'your' heaven anyway?"
>
	To quote Conan:
"Not even you, Crom, remember if we were good men or bad.  All that matters
is that one stood against many.  And if you do not listen, then to Hell 
with you!!!"

>
>Caio!
>
>CC

	Later,
			Raymond H. Rich
			Who finds the religion of Set in Conan to be too
				close to xianity for comfort
				(i.e. preach love and enforce it with
				violence)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: satanism and the killing of animals
From: petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it (Petruz Boonenkamp)
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:58:31 +0100

Reuben Radding writes:


>We think that killing a non-human animal is permissable in two 
>situations:  when one attacks you (because self-preservation
>is the highest law), and for food (part of the natural order
>and continues the life cycle).

Do you mean ONLY in these two situations?  REALLY?  So one who
likes to wear leather or furs (unless sie limits hirself to
leather or furs of animals who're killed for food) is violating
satanism's morality?  My gosh what a PURITAN religion -- I'd
better get back to something that leaves me more free choice
in my leatherwear I guess!
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: SATAN AND EVIL
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:23:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: satan,evil,good,philosophy - God exists.

In article <1992Aug5.061556.13538@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin) writes:
>much gibberish deleted...then he says;
>We know that certain parts of the Bible did occur.  Others
>look a little "hokey".  Parting the Red Sea, for example.  On the other
>hand, the existance of Christ and his disciples is all but a certainty.

A person Jesus called christ may have existed, however to claim that the
individual was a deity or was deified, or was the 'son' of a deity is quite
a leap.

Much like saying the chair I am sitting is exists, so it must be
god-incarnate.

Do you believe this too?
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satan
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:22:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug11.150433.29253@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Aug3.224333.3034@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin) writes:
>>In article <BsF576.Ett@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>>>rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) declares loudly:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>	NOT ALL SATANISTS BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Ray, 'scuse me all to hell, but if a "satanist" doesn't believe in a
>>>higher power, et al, Beezelbub, Old Scratch, Mephistopheles, Satan,
>>>etc, etc ad nauseum...then why would such an individual label themself
>>>thusly?
>
>Yeah, I'm scratching my head over this one too.
>
	Have you read my post regarding this?  Here we go again:

	Satanism reflects the direct anti-thesis of christianity.
i.e., vengeance instead of pacifism, indulgence instead of abstinence, desire
instead of contentment, etc.
	The imagery of satan as an evil guy with goat legs and horns is 
predominantly xian.  It is, in fact, modeled after Pan, the Greco-Roman god
of carnal pleasure, which xians, of course, shun like the plague.
	Therefore, definitions of Satan and Satanism are primarily biased on
the part of xianity which controls the dictionary industry (just kidding).

>>>
>) The Satanic Bible also states this quite
>>explicitly, but since noone here seem to read the darn thing I gave
>>some options :)...
>
>I confess it's been many years since I read the Satanic Bible. At the age 
>of 17 I read it and considered it to be the ridiculous rantings of a juvenile
>spoiled selfish brat. However, I too took it literally. If a literal inter-
>pretation is not correct, then it ought to be rewritten. Leave the ambiguity
>to the other religions to wallow in.
>
	What ambiguity?  The Satanic Bible is very clear, frank, concise, and
honest.  There's no mystical mumbo jumbo or double-talk.

>>
>>(unless you read R.A.Wilson's books which I doubt)
>
>Titles/ recommended reading?
>
>   Not that it should matter, but lest you take me for a fundamentalist, I
>am a confirmed atheist and have no use for deities in any form.
>
	Good for you.

>Jeff Achenbach
>achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>                          

				Raymond H. Rich
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:42:16 -0400 
From: Raymond Craig Feeck <rf1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
	<1992Aug12.064754.14217@panix.com>

Um, Reuben, you seemed to have missed the point behind my statement
about the motivations for rape.  Rape is not slavery to sexual desires,
but rather an assertion of power over another.  In essence, its being
the master of the earth and indulging in the power one has over another.
 Rapists are not compulsed to do anything.  That was the point of my
original post.

Secondly, why should bestiality be wrong.  Its a decision to control the
world around you.  It may seem sick to some, but it is a choice to do
what one pleases.  Isn't that merely indulging in a rather bizarre form
of pleasure.  You haven't resolved what to me seems like a pretty big
inconsistancy.  

I hope you don't take all of this probing and nitpicking the wrong way. 
I merely want to learn more about what you believe.  As was pointed out,
I'm not very knowledgable about Satanism, but I'm curious.  I'm very
interested in finding the truth about the world.  I'm searching through
the world's religions to discover what really does exist.   Any help
would be appreciated. 

Oh, one last question.  Since Satanism really isn't the worship of a
diety, but rather a system of self indulgence, how can it be considered
a religion.  Isn't a religion onw which seeks to find God or the power
behind the universe.  How does Satanism meet this criteria.  

What are y'all's impressions of Jesus, Mohammed, and Confucious?

Thanks

Craig Feeck


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: radinsky@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Waynesville)
Subject: Re: FAQ file available?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.024723.5852@uc.msc.edu> eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) writes:
>There is a company in germany called Hell, is it possible to reach the
>bad guy himself by writing them?

"hell" means "bright" in german.
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide