HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria ?
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:33:35 GMT
	<tahonen.28@katk.Helsinki.FI> <1992Mar24.095330.3724@nntp.hut.fi>
	<19480@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Gray (bob@castle.ed.ac.uk)

Bob> denmark with about three million,

Within +- 100% of the right number.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: sl55050@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SauWai )
Subject: Just a Survey for International Students, Like to Check it out??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:36:32 GMT


Hi,
	I'm doing a research about international students and their life in 
US.  I would appreciate it very much if you can take a few minutes and answer
the following questions as truthfull as you can.  Thank you very much.

PLEASE ONLY REPLY IF YOU ARE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT. THANKS.


1. Did you have any problems with communication?(language barrier) (Y or N)
2. Did you have difficulties meeting friends? (Y or N)
3. Did you encounter any major financial problems? (Y or N)
4. Did you experience any academic problems due to the new learning environment?(Y or N)
5. Have you heard of the counseling service for international students on you
   campus? (Y or N)

   Suppose you have heard about it and decided to go to seek counseling help:

6. Would you have a preference to have a counselor who has the same ethnic 
   background as you do? (Y or N)
7. Would you have a preference over the gender of your counselor? (Y or N)
8. Would you like to have "peer counseling"? (Y or N)
   (Have the same background as you)
9 Do you think it is helpful for you to adapt to the new enviroment :
       a. joining an ethnic organization (Y or N)
       b. having more cultural events taking place on campus(Y or N)
       c. going to workshops such as for stress manangement, studying skill etc.
	  (Y or N)
10. Would you seek help from the counseling center if you ever encounter
    any problems such as those mentioned above?(Y or N)
11. Do you have any inputs that you like to give?

Except for question 11, you can just answer y or n.  Once again I like to thank
	you for your time.

a) Country you came from:                 
b) Age:
c) Gender:
d) undergrad/grad/others:

THANKS AGAIN!

			 			Karen Lau
						s-lau3@uiuc.edu


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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Increasing amount of people against EU in Denmark
Date: 3 Apr 92 07:36:18 GMT
	<1992Mar24.114118.5833@nntp.hut.fi>
	<1992Mar26.102841.7717@pcsbst.pcs.com>
	<ABRAHAM.92Mar27214038@loke.iesd.auc.dk>
	<1992Mar30.070157.14544@mentor.dk> <1992Apr1.111401.18664@odin.diku.dk>
	<1992Apr2.082503.22000@mack
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)
>>>>> "Baard" == Baard Misund (baardm@stud.cs.uit.no)

Karl> I saw something in the Paper yesterday: If Danes wanted their children to
Karl> live, they should move to Sweden :-) , since an increasing amount of 
Karl> very young children die in Denmark. 
Karl> 
Karl> Ah well, it might not be the fault of the EEC, but I couldn't
Karl> help wondering.
Karl> Sweden isn't a member - yet. 
Karl> 
Karl> Maybe Norway's the place?

Baard> No, from what I've heard Norway has got a higher infant
Baard> mortality rate than Denmark.

Another silly "It's the EECs fault" statement shot down.

Baard> If Norway doesn't become a member I'm personally moving to
Baard> Denmark.

Oh, no, son, you're not. Fortress Europe is not going to accept
refugees from under-developed part of the world.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
From: franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc)
Subject: Re: Euro Disney (was CNN Reports...)
Keywords: greve
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.215334.10078@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> luzeaux@liszt.berkeley.edu (Dominique Luzeaux) writes:

>T'a raison, Kamerad, on va se faire le pogrome du millenaire: marre des
>Americains
>et de leur souris, marre des Arabes et de leur couscous, marre des Juifs
>et de leur
>trucs kosher, marre des Noirs et de leurs bananes, marre des Asiatiques
>et de leur
>riz, marre des Anglais et de leur the, marre des Espagnols et de leur
>paella, marre
>des Belges et de leurs frites, marre des Allemands et de leur
>choucroute, marre des
>Suisses et de leurs banques, marre des Italiens et de leurs pizza, marre
>des Lapons
>et de leurs rennes, marre des Martiens et de leur bite
>verte,.......................
>
>	Dominique Luzeaux

Tu as oublie les portugais (il y a beaucoup de luseauphobes en ce moment)

	Francois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago)
Subject: UK, general elections?
Keywords: results?
Reply-To: torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:38:40 GMT


Does any one knows the results of the elections?
From: ccharpen@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jolitorax)
Subject: Re: CNN Reports...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:48:35 GMT

>Thank god the Parisites can flee to the refuge of LaToya Jackson
>entertaining along with Chippendales at the Moulin Rouge, or if that
>is too much, then bask in the warm, sincere, talented high quality
>entertainment value of either Sylvie Vartan or Johnny Halliday; that
>is, if they aren't completely exhausted from a day dodging dog
>droppings on the sidewalks everywhere, or a little breathless from
>gasping in the highest carbon monoxide levels of any city anywhere (LA
>included). 

They're not already dead? I'm sure that you're really objective. Let's
say that every american listen to country music too! Ask them!
Or better : Bruce Sringsteen (I don't know how to write it) the
american hero!

>I'm sure a few old Jerry Lewis movies on TV will brighten
>up the day, if not, there are always the soporific and ludicrously
>pornographic soft-pore corn interludes on later-evening television.

Where is Playboy coming from! I can't remember, may be France!

>Soporific, I know, but something has to compete with the Valium, in a
>country which has the highest rate of tranquilizer consumption per
>capita. What?  You can't tell the difference between television and
>film in France with your eyes closed, or open? 

You're so funny, ASSHOLE!!!!!!!! I understand now why americans are
not so welcome in France! (with your sources of course!)

>Thank god you can fall
>back on fashion, fabulous YSL monogrammed sweaters, ties, belts,
>shoes, handbags, monogrammed and (in the US at least) K-Mart (yes!
>KMart) quality "New Look". That is, if you don't gasp from how
>fabulous Pierre Cardin competing things are. Or if you notice that all
>the actually nice clothes are ... made in Italy? 

Yes it's cheaper! French are so sophisticated and proud and rude and
cute and ... Is it not your idea of the french culture. By the way, do 
you know where is France or do you think it's just a country outside
USA!

>Well, I suppose I'm
>being rude; It /IS/ too much to remark that in a culture where
>goodspirited unpretentious fun requires a... pack of unfiltered
>Gitanes, and sitting totally passive on the side of a street drinking
>beer...
>

Yes, USA is so fun! All the parties close at 1PM, the beer is disgusting!
And more, is it not an american habit to go to party to be drunk. Music, who
say music?
I don't want to be rude to all the nice americans I met here but this guy
piss me off!

>(smirk smirk)
>
Christophe 			Harvey Mudd College
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics,sci.lang
From: peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters)
Subject: "Poor" languages (Was: English OR Esperanto?)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:01:09 GMT

hberg@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.182354.14940@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

>>  Ancient Greek: Initially was a group of very poor related languages.
>                                                ^^^^
>> Roman Language: Initially a very poor language. 

>What the hell is a "poor" language??!!  Is there ANY language that cannot 
>express whatever there is a ned to express in its society at any given time? 
>If you mean that these languages borrowed foreign words, name one language 
>that hasn't!

Of course there are languages that cannot express whatever there is a need
to express at any given time. I would reckon all languages go through "crises"
like that (although *crisis* is not a very appropriate word as I am really
talking about an ongoing state of events). Why do you think languages
change? Well, one reason is that their speakers feel there are communicative
needs the language as it stands is not equipped for.

I've crossposted this to sci.lang, and maybe this is the only place where a
discussion like this one really belongs.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr Bert Peeters                         Tel: +61 02 202344
Department of Modern Languages               002 202344
University of Tasmania at Hobart        Fax: 002 207813
GPO Box 252C                            Bert.Peeters@modlang.utas.edu.au
Hobart TAS 7001
Australia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: givati@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Ofer Givati)
Subject: SEEKING LOCUM WORK IN GP IN UK
Summary: SA doctor seeking 5 month GP locum work in UK
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:44:45 GMT

CAN ANY OF YOU DOCTORS AND DOCTOR'S FRIENDS HELP ?????

I am interested in doing a locum in General Practice in the UK for 5 month
(May 92 - Sept 92).
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dr. LL Sirkin
102 Lafayette
11 Corlette Drive
Illovo
Johannesburg
South-Africa

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From: smk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stefan Kahrs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: billion/milliard, was: English OR Esperanto?
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:38:59 GMT
	<1992Apr10.153709.22765@cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<1992Apr10.165947.15488@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>
	<1992Apr10.191704.4069@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
	<1992Apr12.014952.22066@cs.tu-berlin.de>
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Edinburgh, LFCS
In-reply-to: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de's message of 12 Apr 92 01:49:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.014952.22066@cs.tu-berlin.de> wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:

[...]
>   At school I was taught the same distinction between US and UK usage,
>   and my dictionary states it too:
>
>		US              UK            Ger             Fre
>   10**6        million         million       Million         million
>   10**9        billion         milliard      Milliarde       milliard/billion
>   10**12       trillion        billion       Billion         trillion
>   10**15       quadrillion     trillion      Trillion        mille trillions (?)
                                              ^^^^^^^^
No, its Billiarde in German.
But it does not really matter, because it is hardly ever used.

--
Stefan Kahrs
From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: The nasty Kohl, was: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 3 Apr 92 12:23:08 GMT
	<1992Mar25.115746.16013@odin.diku.dk> <x8c+Gt#@engin.umich.edu>
	<FISCHER.92Apr3084200@thor.iesd.auc.dk>
Organization: HUGIN Expert A/S


>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 08:42:00, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) said:

>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)

Karl> Hitler dreamed of a Europe under German leadership, and that is
Karl> what we are moving towards.

Lars> I can't believe you're for real, Karl. Disgusting remark.

But he is right!  Unless the European union becomes real, we will have
a Europe under German leadership.  

That is fair, considered that Germany is the only nation doing
anything for Europe.  Who else does anything more than talking about
helping eastern Europe?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: English OR Esperanto?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.153709.22765@cs.tu-berlin.de> wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:
>
>It's true that all written down languages emerged from naturally evolved
>dialects, with a set of fixed othography and grammar rules 'artificially'
>added to them. I don't agree on the concept of 'poor' and 'advanced' though,
>and it doesn't necessarily require a _bureaucracy_ to establish such a
>language.

I don't agree on the concept of *inherently* poor or advanced languages
either.
All the languages can evolve to the ever changing needs of the society
which they serve.
But this evolution is slow, and as long as there are societies with
much more complex technologically and organizationally structures than
others then there are advanced and less advanced languages too.


>Anyway, Esperanto is not comparable, cause it is not an evolved language
>spoken already by the people of a country. It is completely made up.

Made up out of preexisting elements and structural forms from various
other natural languages.
Many contemporary spoken languages are "artificial" put togethers of
other old and disappeared ones. My mind goes firstly to the modern
Israeli and Pakistani (Urdu) languages.

>
>Wolfgang

Gregory Dandulakis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: luigi@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Luis G. Torregrosa)
Subject: Re: CNN Reports...
Keywords: american culture
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.222830.17356@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>  
zika@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Zika) writes:
> At least E-D is separated from France by a real (and idealistic) wall.   
If
> Europeans wish to take part in an admittedly small part of American  
culture
> they can.  It doesn't detract from the beauty and wonder of the French
> culture by simply being on French soil -- it's just a little closer and
> more convenient than Florida.
 
>                                      |
> Michael Zika (zika@ecn.purdue.edu)   |    Hey don't ask me "why?",
> Purdue University                    |    I'm still working on "how?" ! 
> School of Nuclear Engineering        |

	As wonderful as DisneyWorld is for people of all ages, the fact  
that you call it a "part of American culture" makes me feel real sorrow  
for this country.  I really hope that what happens is that you just can't  
quite grab the meaning of "culture", and not that what you say is true.

Luis Torregrosa
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: The nasty Kohl
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:49:43 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <ABRAHAM.92Apr3132308@loke.iesd.auc.dk> abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
>>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 08:42:00, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) said:
>>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)
>Karl> Hitler dreamed of a Europe under German leadership, and that is
>Karl> what we are moving towards.
>
>Lars> I can't believe you're for real, Karl. Disgusting remark.
>
>But he is right!  Unless the European union becomes real, we will have
>a Europe under German leadership.  

  The French seems to want to dispute them over the position of leadership. 

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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From: hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: C.V. Joergensen (Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:23:33 GMT
	<1992Apr2.204726.9283@ns.network.com>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


In <1992Apr2.204726.9283@ns.network.com> muchow@zebo.network.com (Jim
Muchow) wrote: 

> TVIND! Egad, how long has it been? Ah, the memories. And don't forget to
> drag Hans Hutler in too (CV Joergensen won't).
       ^^^^^^^^^^^

Was that a reference to yours truly ? :-) Ah! I get it, you were
thinking of a certain Danish right-wing extremist by the name of Hans
Hetler. C.V. Joergensen wrote the scathing "Det rene Hetleri" about
him [OK, all C.V.`s song lyrics are pretty sarcastic anyway] . Back
then extreme right-wingers were few and ridiculous, and The Uffeman
was a popular newsreader on Danish TV. Those were the days!


- Hans

(Union skal kun vaere en bogklub, tak.)
--
Hans H{\"u}ttel, Office E1-111                   -   hans@iesd.auc.dk  
Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Fredrik Bajersvej 7E, 9220 Aalborg {\O} DENMARK - North Jutland is for lovers.
From: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Important questions
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group

In article <1992Apr10.234239.2706@sol.UVic.CA>, benoit@sirius.UVic.CA (Benoit
de la Filolie) writes:
[...]
>Excuse my ignorance, but where is the communist party in this list ?
>My second question is: Where is the Socialist Party (if any) ?
Sorry, here is the list:
DC Christian Democrats 
PSI Socialists 
PLI Liberals (NOT american liberals :-) )
PSDI Social Democrats 
PDS Partito Democratico di Sinistra (former communists, now split into PDS and
Rif.Com.)
Rif.Com. Rifondazione Comunista (the other half of the former communists)
MSI Movimento Sociale (right wing)
Lega Federalists (I am not sure this is the correct term :-) )
PRI Republicans (NOT american republicans :-) )
Verdi Greens
Ciao !
Luciano
-- 
Luciano Lavagno    Dept of EECS, Univ of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
+1-510-642-5012    luciano@ic.Berkeley.EDU
From: touras@ee.rochester.edu (Vassilios Tourassis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: EUROPEAN CONSUMER REPORTS?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:21:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ee.1992Apr8.152150.14830
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Are there any CONSUMER magazines in Europe that provide evaluations of
EUROPEAN autos?

I am looking for something semi-reliable, like Consumer Reports in the US,
highlighting the relative safety, crashworthiness and reliability of
automobiles currently driven in Europe. Any pointers will be most welcome.

Vassilios
touras@ee.rochester.edu
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From: vincent@cs.hw.ac.uk (Vincent Hue)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Tarif aeriens (was Euro Disney)
Keywords: Tarifs/USA
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:50:00 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr14.003949.18714@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> luzeaux@campanile.berkeley.edu (Dominique Luzeaux) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.234734.21792@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>pkersale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Philippe Herve Kersale) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>A propos de CNN, j'ai entendu ce matin aussi: "le temps n'est apparemment pas
>tres beau sur le reportage? Les Anglais vont se poser la question de savoir
>s'ils vont aller a Paris ou en Floride, vu que cela leur coute a peu pres le
>meme prix".
>N'est-il pas lamentable que les vols en avion coutent si cher en Europe?

Non. Ce qui est lamentable, ce sont les prix offerts par les compagnies
americaines sur les vols transatlantique. 
Actuellement, une petite dizaine de compagnies americaines font une politique
de bas pris pour casser le marche. La moitie d'entre elles sont en difficulte
financiere et n'y survivrons pas (Voir article du Point, paru il y a 3 
semaines).

Les premiers touches sont les Francais. Pour l'instant. 


                          Vincent

Ecole Superieure d'Ingenieurs en Electrotechnique et Electronique
     huev@apo.esiee.fr
Heriot-Watt University of Edinburgh. Computer Science Dept.
     vincent@cs.hw.ac.uk
From: dqz9515@acf5.NYU.EDU (George Bush)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Europe Info ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:06:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Posting-Version: version nyu B notes v1.6.2 9/23/91; site acf5.NYU.EDU
Organization: New York University
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
Hi! I am planing to go to Europe this summer for about one
month. I live in Manhattan in New York City. I am sure I will
go to UK, France, Italy, and German. I don't really know
what is the best deal to make up my time in Europe, I would
like any respond for helping me make this plan, if any body
want to know more about New York, Pls feel free to ask.
Please Email me directly, if possible.

Inter-net : zhao@acf14.nyu.edu
Phone     : (212)254-2116
Name : Dan Zhao

Also if anybody want to go with me together, I would glad to
discuss the detail, my tentative departure time is 
about beging of June, any detail can be disscussed.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Bursa "Model European City"
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:35:02 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <92104.113529KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, KA506@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
|> 
|>  BURSA "MODEL EUROPEAN CITY"
|> 
|> Strasbourgh  (DGPI)- Bursa  has won  the council  of Europe  1991
|> "Model European City" award. At a  ceremony held on the first day
|> of  the   27th  "European  Local  and   Regional  Administrations
|> Permanent  Conference"  organized  within the  framework  of  the
|> Council of Europe, Bursa won the award for the best European city
|> of 1991.
|> 

Interesting to know that, especially as Bursa isn't even in Europe! 

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: smd@fct.unl.pt (Sergio Marco Duarte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: UK, general elections?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:11:35 GMT
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa -- Lisbon, Portugal


    
	 (David Morning) writes:
> >Does any one knows the results of the elections?

> The Conservatives won with a small majority of about 12. 
> All the results aren't in yet but none of the outstanding results
> are liable to upset this majority.

>   Dave

 
 And what about Scotland ? 
 How well did the pro-independence do?

--
 Sergio Duarte  *** smd@fct.unl.pt *** FCT/UNL *** PORTUGAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french