From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: 04 Jan 93 04:42:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1i7g9rINNosd@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>> In article <1i003kINNf0j@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>> >I have sex with my neighbor's wife; we've both consented to it with 
>> >each other, no one's twisting my arm or hers; immoral? 
>> 
>>     No, according to the morals of the involved people.  In fact, I'd be
>> interested in a logical argument that it is immoral, without resort to the
>> biblebook or other religious dicta.
>
>Because they have committed themselves to their spouses.  (I didn't spell that 
>out in the original statement, I should have) 

    If the spouses in question have not committed to monogamy, is
it still immoral?


>> >Hmmmm...that's what I thought it still was; enjoyed responsibly between 
>> >married people. 
>> 
>>     Why do they need to be married?  Again, please no religion-based
>> arguments, just a logical assertion of what harm is done to the consenting
>> adults or others.
>
>Because if their birth control fails, (assuming they use it) they could 
>end up with a baby, that they are not prepared for.  

    Now you need to explain why a person can't have a baby unless
they're married.


>>     I don't agree that typical people don't think sex is inherently
>> something negative.  Why don't people discuss their sex lives as casually
>> as their golf games?  "It's no one else's business?"  Please... neither is
>> your golf score, and humans' sex lives are far more important to them than
>> golf (except for Quayle, of course ;-) ).
>
>Because it *is* no one else's buisiness, unless you're *real* close to the 
>person you're talking to.  You don't see where your sex life is more private 
>than your golf score?

    I'll say that I do, but as I sit and think about it, I'm not
sure why.  Why, exactly, should our sex lives be any more private
than any other part of our lives?
     (And I don't play golf...)


>   One of the things said by those who are against 
>homosexaulity (and 'excessive' sexuality in general) is that people show 
>a lack of respect for sex; and here you are putting people's sex lives on 
>the same level as their golf score.

     See above question.


>  If sex were as 'casual' as you make it 
>out to be, people wouldn't have such a drastically-worse reaction to rape 
>as they do to being robbed.

     Did you really mean to say this?  Do you really believe that
having your body invaded by the penis of another person, without
a shred of consent on your part, as part of a violent and demeaning
experience, is no worse than having some material property removed
from your person?
     Walter, I expect you're about to have the shit flamed out of
you for this one.


>  Sex is a deeply personal thing, and not just 
>to those who have "religion". 

    Fine.  But why?

			-Phil


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