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From: obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF)
Subject: Re: Vengsarkar's Record
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:10:36 GMT

	Can you post an updated version of Javed Miandad's test record
so that we can compare with that of the Great Sunny Gavaskar.

Thanks.

Arif
From: KSRAO@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: ODI 3 Englandafter 15
Date: 20 Aug 1992 05:54:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




    SAlim Malik won the toss for Pakistan and sent England to bat. They are 67
for no loss after 15 overs.

Gooch   34
Stewert 23
Extras  10

Total 67 for no loss after 15 overs

There is going to be a bowling change for the 11th over. Waqar in place of
Akram.

 Mushtaq replaced Aquib Javid after 23 0vers.

England scored 51 off 72 balls.

Rao
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From: jka@ipsa.reuter.com (Jan Arendtsz)
Subject: AU vs SL, 1st Test, 1st Day, Scoreboard
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:13:10 GMT

Scoreboard at the end of the 1st day of the 1st cricket test between 
Australia and Shri-Lanka:

AUSTRALIA 1st Innings

M. Taylor LBW B Wickremasinghe		42
T. Moody LBW B Ramanayake		01
D. Boon C Ram'ake B Hathurusinghe	32
D. Jones LBW B Hathurusinghe		10
M. Waugh C Kaluwitharana B Hathu'ghe	05
A. Border B Hathurusinghe		03
G. Matthews LBW B Ramanayake		06
I. Healy NOT OUT			66
C. McDermott C Ranatunga B Ram'ake 	22
S. Warne C and B Anurasiri		24
M. Whitney C and B Wickramasinghe	13 

EXTRAS					 ?

TOTAL (All Out)			       256

Fall Of Wckts: 8, 84, 94, 96, 109, 118, 124, 162, 207

Bowling:

Ramanayake	20-4-51-3
Wickremasinghe	18-4-69-2
Hath'singhe	22-5-66-4
Madurusinghe	10-1-21-0
Gurusingha	 2-0-17-0
Anurasiri	12-2-22-1


SHRI-LANKA 1st Innings

9 for no loss


Source: REUTER

	
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From: pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: Swing, seam and cut
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:20:30 GMT

In article <5a858f698.003ba43@licorice.engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>This is an effort to expand the discussion on swing to include all kinds of
>deviation a fast bowler can produce. Now, my experience with cricket is largely
>limited to what I see on TV. Hence I'd like to pose a few questions to the
>hans-on types:
>1) What kind of deviation is more pronounced, generally speaking? Swing (in the
>air) before the ball pitches, or deviation after the ball pitches. Which can
>be considered to be more difficult to play?

I have seen vast amounts of both, but swing generally is more pronounced.
The experts seem to agree that you can have too much of a good thing, though,
and that a smaller deviation can be more dangerous (taking the edge, rather
that missing the bat altogether).  Similarly, late swing (a la W&W) is more
dangerous, since the batsman has less chance to adjust for it.  IMHO cut is
generally more dangerous than swing for this reason, and late swing is even 
more dangerous than cut.  Note that some bowlers can swing the ball one way,
only for it to cut back the other way.  That's really nasty!

>2) Is deviation after the bounce solely due the seam hitting the ground or do 
>the principles of swing (in the air) also hold?

I'm not sure, but I think most of the movement is due to the seam.  I have
noticed that my bowling has a propensity to start swinging well after it 
has pitched, and passed the batsman, though, which makes it seem like the
principles of swing still apply!

>3) Is cut to be distinguished from the above because it is solely a consequence
>of the fingers (or wrist - isn't that what Merv Hughes does) - just like spin is?

I'm not too sure what you mean here.  Cut, as I understand it, can be 
achieved by using the seam, as above, or by releasing the ball as a 
spinner might.  I'm not sure whether cut due to seam is technically cut
or not, but the effect is much the same.

>
>If I had to take a crack at these questions, I'd probably say that swing, seam
>and cut are totally different. Swing occurs before the ball pitches - and 
>deviation after the ball pitches is not due to aerodynamics (or, the ball only
>'seams' after pitching). A corollary to this would be that the use of the
>fingers would be a) to keep the seam from wobbling when the ball is in the air
>b) get deviation from the pitch. 
> 
> Sudhama

Cheers, Paul
From: cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Sunday League 1992 August 16th
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:57:19 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.


Sunday League 1992 August 16th
40 overs per side

At Chesterfield
Derbyshire 257-5 (CJ Adams 141, PD Bowler 56)
Kent 209 (37.2) (TR Ward 65, AE Warner 4w)
DERBYSHIRE won by 48 RUNS

At Hartlepool
Glamorgan 216-7 (SP James 63, MP Maynard 65)
Durham 200 (36)
GLAMORGAN won by 16 RUNS

At Colchester
Essex 176-7 (GA Gooch 55)
Nottinghamshire 165-6 (BC Broad 63)
ESSEX won by 11 RUNS

At Bournemouth
Hampshire 255-3 (RA Smith 61, TC Middleton 98)
Northamptonshire 174 (38.2) (RJ Bailey 64, SD Udal 4w)
HAMPSHIRE won by 81 RUNS

At Uxbridge
Yorkshire 194-6 (SA Kellett 68, SR Tendulkar 47)
Middlesex 195-5 (38.5) (MR Ramprakash 58, JD Carr 60*, SR Tendulkar 1w)
MIDDLESEX won by 5 WICKETS with 7 balls remaining

At Taunton
Worcestershire 125 (KH MacLeay 5-20)
Somerset 126-8 (39.3)
SOMERSET won by 2 WICKETS with 3 balls remaining

At The Oval
Surrey 207-5 (AJ Stewart 105*)
Leicestershire 210-5 (JJ Whitaker 118)
LEICESTERSIHRE won by 5 WICKETS

At Hove
Lancashire 173 (39.3)
Sussex 175-4 (38.4) (AP Wells 56, NJ Lenham 81*)
SUSSEX won by 6 WICKETS with 8 balls remaining


Table                   Pld.   Pts.
1    Middlesex           15     36    (Champions)
2    Essex               15     44
3    Somerset            15     36
     Hampshire           15     36
5    Kent                15     34
6    Surrey              15     32
     Worcestershire      15     32
     Warwickshire        15     32
9    Durham              15     30
     Sussex              15     30
     Derbyshire          15     30
12   Gloucestershire     15     28
13   Yorkshire           15     26
     Lancashire          15     26
15   Northamptonshire    15     24
16   Glamorgan           15     18
17   Nottinghamshire     15     14
18   Leicestershire      15     12


T
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From: amatin@prism.poly.edu (Akbar Matin)
Subject: Pak. vs. Eng 5th Test Scorecard needed...
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:00:38 GMT



	Would somebody be kind enough to send me the the scorecard for
the 5th Test between Pakistan and England as well as the averages which
were posted on the network a few days back.

	Thanx.


		amatin@prism.poly.edu




Xref: sparky rec.sport.cricket:14280 soc.culture.pakistan:13616
From: manuvir@cs.wisc.edu (Manuvir Das)
Subject: Re: The Best Captain (Re: Pakistan: 200 not out.......
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:24:22 GMT

Please excuse my lack of information in case it shows (Pakistan isn't my
favourite team ......), but as I remember it, a big reason for Pakistan's
success under Imran was his special relationship with Abdul Qadir. I recall
a number of people talking about it. It seems leggies need confidence more
than anything, and since Imran had a lot of faith in him, Qadir was more
willing to flight the ball, and therefore obtain results.

Also, being a fast bowler himself, I'm sure Imran had much to do with the
appearance of so many quickies, so suddenly. I've heard that at least
Wasim Akram was a protege of Imran's, and learnt a lot from him.

Actually all this brings up another point. A good captain needs to motivate
his players, and I think Imran did a pretty good job of that. And he took
all sorts of risks when he needed to. Some of our Indian cricketers should
watch video-tapes of the Pakis to learn something about spirit.

Manuvir.
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Non-national test (or OD) matches?
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:17:40 GMT

	The one-off game in NY, featuring Pakistan and a ROW team
	made me think of the possiblity of these sort of games
	on a more regular basis.  Playing for teams of the
	criteria of place-of-birth (or residence, England), has a 
	place, no doubt, but 'club' cricket on an international level
	would be less-racially oriented, more concetrated on the players,
	the teams, than the national affiliations.  
		Players could have teams in some international competition,
	and also play in ROW games v Nations, or traditional international
	games.
		Is the concept of Nationalism so important, relevant,
	in this day and age, with air-travel, Internet, Economic communities
	and the like.
		Sports like basketball and soccer both survive (essentially)
	on this type of diet - the world cup is a major event, but only 
	quad-annually (?). 



	tom
From: kumar@walnut.kumar (Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Eng-Pak series
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:59:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.cricket
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA



                                              
Hi,

	Congratulations to Eng. for winning the Texaco trophy as also to 
Pak for winning the series.  The current world champions were well and
truly outplayed in the ODI. But the test series was fairly well contested
except may be for the fifth test.  
	
	If Fairbrother was so consistent in the OD's why was he not tried
in the test series?  Inzamam seems to have gone to sleep after that 
stupendous show in the WC.  Could some one give the break-up of the Texaco
trophy winners in the recent past?  Thanks in advance, have fun.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: WI Youth tournament
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:50:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

This is a longish piece on the 1st day of the Northern Telecom youth cricket
tournament in Guyuana, WI.  This has proved a nursery for the WI, with the
likes of Richardson, Logie, Lara & Hooper coming through the system.  Also
interesting, is the feature of spinners taking wickets.  Outside the WI, it is
a common misconception that we do not produce or play against spinners.

____________________________________________________________________

Jamaica vs Windward Islands

Jamaica secured 1st innings ponts against the Windward Islands on the second
day of their three-day first round Northern Telecom West Indies youth cricker
match at the National Service ground here Saturday.  After dismissing the
Windwards for 98 in their first innings, the Jamaicans folded for 144, losing
their last eight wickets for 43 runs.

Mario Ventura topscored with 57 for the Jamaicans, who were undermined by the
legspinner Rawle Lewis who took  5-48 and pacer Tibbles Moore 4-46.  Earlier
the Windwards resuming on their overrnight 52-4, crumbled against a Jamaican
allspin attack, losing their last 6 wickets for just 46 runs in 72 minutes
available before lunch. The destroyers were leg-spinner Brian Murphy 3-21 and
off-spinner Alford Givans 6-47.  Neil Baptiste topscored for the Windwards with
39.



B'dos v Leeward Islands

Middle order batsman Deryck Battershield scored 60 to help Barbados to a 96 run
1st innings lead, after dismissing the Leewards for 99.  The Babados offspinner
Ryan Hurley finished with 3-16, and the pacer Mark Lavine took 5-39.  In the
Barbadian innings Cornwall took 5-58 (no info on him)


Guyuana v Trinidad & Tobago

Guyuana's latest batting sensation Shivnarine Chanderpaul hit the first century
of the tournament to put his team in a good position against T&T on the 2nd
day.  Chanderpaul's superb 130 helped Guyuana to 286 in their 1st innings.  At
stumps T&T were 43-0 with Imtiaz Ali n.o. 25 and Abil Balliram 5 n.o.

Chanderpaul shared the spotlight with the legspinner Dinath Ramanarine, who
captured 6-87 off a marathon 34.3 overs.  The 17-yr old made his senior debut
earlier this year scoring half centuries against the Leeward Islands and
Barbados.

---------------------------------------------------

Source:  The Sunday Gleaner 9/08/92
That's all folks!
From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Umpiring at the Oval/Headingly
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:28:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Aug14.182801.19096
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ

In article 100917@is.morgan.com,  andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>I can't find SAN's original posting but if I am correct it stated that things
>went more smoothly at the Oval because the umpires were respected by the Pak
>team and then went on to propose a roster of umps. from which the visitng team
>chose the one they liked.
>
>San, if I have the correct posting, could you tell me what (specifically) the
>Headingly umpires have done such that the Pak team no longer respect them? If I
>have the wrong posting, please ignore this.
>
I didn't quite mean that. Bird and Shepherd enjoy a universal
reputation amongst cricketers and every player respects them.  They are
known to be consistent in their interpretations. Players know this and
know what to epxect of them. Palmer and Kitchen do not have such an
aura amongst players.  Kitchen actually gave a few bad decisions in the
Oval OD this year (remember the Botham and Miandad incident?). A few
bad decisions at Headingley, coming on the heels of Old Trafford, and
the situation at Headingley quickly got out of hand.

Interestingly, if anything, Pakistan had to fear Shepherd and Bird:
last time these two umpired a game for Pakistan it was the semi-final
of the 1987 WC and there were a couple of decisions there that many
people dispute. Despite those mistakes, if they were because I did not
see that game, Bird and Shepherd have a reputation amongst the Pakistani players. 


	--SAN
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SRT - No more with Yorkshire; please confirm
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug17.093649.4998@actrix.gen.nz> Sankaran.Venkatesh@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>Heard yesterday on the BBC news that 'Tonne' dulkar will no longer play for
>Yorkshire, next year. The actual reason quoted was 'I am busy'. Richie
>Richardson of WI, and Aaqib Javed of Pak are kept on the waiting list. 
>Can anyone confirm/authenticate this, with more substantiating details?
>
     Tendulkar will be touring with India next year, so will not be able
 to play in County Cricket. Javed played with some success for Hampshire
 last season, but I don't know if he will be playing for them next season.
 Richardson has expressed a keen desire to play County Cricket, and
 rumours have linked his name with Durham. Some of the Yorkshire committee
 who objected to signing Tendulkar argued that they need a bowler not a
 batsman. Pre-Tendulkar there was talk about McDermott playing for them,
 so maybe it will be him next season.

     I hear that if you go out for a curry in Yorkshire these days, there
 are two types on offer .... a Boycott Curry, or a Tendulkar Curry. The
 difference between them is that with a Boycott Curry, the runs don't
 come so quickly.

     Regards, Steve.
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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: politics and cricket
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug2.160513.6184@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, ramprasa@cstr.ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) writes:
|> 
|> In the midst of Presidential politics the question pops to mond.
|> How many willow wielders have taken to the 2nd oldest profession in the worls?
|> 
|> Wes Hall: Sports minister for Barbados
|> 
|> Chetan Chauhan: MP (lok Sabha)
|> 
|> Ted Dexter: unsuccessful  candidate for the Tories
|> 
|> I am quite sure there are more but my memory deserts me.
|> would some one oblige
|> Prasad

John Major - Prime Minister, Great Britain
From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: ENG vs PAK ONE DAYS ON CABLE
Date: 14 Aug 1992 14:28:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        by most of the cable companies throughout the US.

        Different companies are airing the matches at different times.
        Majority is showing it LIVE on AUGUST 22 (SATURDAY). Some would
        TAPE-DELAY the event by a few hours.

        The AUGUST 24 match would be TAPE-DELAYED and played on
        AUGUST  29 (SATURDAY). Some systems would show it LIVE.

        Your best bet would be to check with your local cable company
        to find the time and day of both the matches. I understand that
        the operators may not know yet because AVI has just struck deals
        with these companies. You might have to talk to your PPV MANAGER
        to get details.

        I also understand that the match would be SCRAMBLED and would not
        be distributed to satellite dish owners unless you make special
        advance arrangements with AVI @ (407) 239-8933.

        Different cable companies are charging different amounts. The
        range is from  $15 to $20.

        Some folks want to know what they can do if their cable company
        is unaware of the matches. I suggest that you call the PPV MANAGER
        of your company and let him/her know of your interest and ask them
        to contact AVI @ (407) 239-8933. It would not be a bad idea to
        give AVI the name/phone of your cable company's PPV MANAGER
        as well.

        If anyone needs any further info. you can post it to rsc and I
        will see if I can get the answers.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Deloitte Bowler Rankings
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:45:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I was surprised to see the Deloitte ratings for bowlers.  I don't remember the
actual points (well I actually scribbled them on a piece of paper and lost it!)
but the rankings are as follows;

1.	Curtley Ambrose
2.	Waqar Younis
3.	Craig McDermott
4.	Bruce Reid
5.	Merv Hughes
6.	Wasim Akram
7.	Courtney Walsh
8.	Imran Khan
9.	Kapil Dev

For me the two surprises are Merv Hughes and Imran Khan.  Merv Hughes because
he doesn't impress me as the 5th best bowler in the world currently, and Imran
Khan, since I can't remeber hearing of him performing any amazing feats with
the ball recently (I may be wrong on this though).  By the way Imran also
appears in the top ten of the batting rankings.

These rankings were valid prior to the fifth test, so I fully expect Akram to
jump a place or two, and probably Waqar to #1.  Waqar Younis was ranked #1
coming into the series but slipped to #2.  I have always tried to have their
method explained, but not with much success.

A stat the Beeb drilled out was that Gooch has been averaging 62.3 during his
period as captain.  Pretty impressive, considering that he has had series
against the WI (twice), Pakistan and Australia, the strongest bowling sides
around.  On the other hand he has been reasonably harsh on the paper tiger
attacks of the other sides.

McBean
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Aus/SL
Keywords: World
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:42:36 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3





	What ever happened to sending scores to rec.sport.cricket.scores

	Could whoever next sends in some scores also send a copy to the 

	afore mentioned.

	thanks
					Colin


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From: bajunaida@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Cheating!!! YEs Cheating.
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:30:31 GMT


Well as there is a lot of discussion going on regarding the 
Pakistanis using "wrong" tactics to screw the England Cricketers.

What about the famous Vaseline Chaos of Lever against INDIA.?

Chaos lover.
From: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SL vs Aus
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:17:25 GMT
Reply-To: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Aug17.141521.18236@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272) writes:


>There has been no reporting on the series between SL and Aus on RSC. 
>My information is limited to BBC but here it is anyway. 
>Nettors with better information access are kindly requested to post news. 
>Perhaps Robert Elz?


That is because we arent getting any information. It is not on TV
it is not on Radio (the news gives a short report every half hour, but
last night, I heard two reports, (on the same radio station)
The first had ASustralia 6-188 and the next (1/2 hour later) 6-168

The Lemming
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From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: 5th test (merci, SAN!)
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:26:50 GMT

In article 15638@oakhill.sps.mot.com,  asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair) writes:
>I am sorry that this is a personal post, but I tried to send an email to
>Shamim, but it bounced back.
>Shamim, my friends and I have been reading your posts regularly
>but are confused about your email address. From the address in your posts, it
>seems that you are in America, but you always give us inside information from
>the grounds in England, could you please clear this up and probably send me an
>email.

No mystery, folks. My email address is shamim@bellcore.com. 
I work in NJ and sometimes go to England to see the matches. 

	--SAN
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Subject: Touring NZ (was Re: Aussie bowling)
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:04:40 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <Bt7J3o.KJz@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John
Michael McMullan) says:
>
>Why does everyone think New Zealand is such a hard place to tour?
>We have a very nice climate in summer, appreciative crowds and
>reasonable umpires (at least I hope they are...)

well, you might think that the climate is nice, but, summers in NZ can
sometimes get as chilly as winters in india, so you really can't blame indians
for not liking the climate in NZ. the problem is especially bad in
christchurch (i think). well, anyway, the southernmost venue in NZ which is
supposed to very windy. gavaskar in his autobiography complained that they
were told that the test venue was close to the south pole but they felt like
they were ON the south pole.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: georgeaa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (George A Avirappattu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: AU vs SL, 1st OD INT'L, Brief Scores
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug20.225549.26220
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

Thank you for your briefings.  But, I thought there was test match
being played between these teams (SL-AU) or am I missing something?

regards,

georgeaa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 
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