From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: "Windoze" slow? Naah...Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmar
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:41:27 GMT

Damn.  Accidently replied private.


In article <1992Dec24.001944.2184@philips.oz.au> you write:
>Truth_Assassin@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Truth Assassin) writes:
>
>>Cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (chris) Says:
>>>     Why hasnt motorola keep up to pace with intel with product
>>> design?
 
 
        Two possibilities:
        1.  They're busy with the PowerPC, which is alread designed
         (by IBM).
        2.  They're concentrating ontheir very profitable and very
        successful consumer electronics markets--cellular, for
        instance.
 
 
 
>>They have. Motorola 68040 is more powerful and efficient than Intel's 486.
 
 
        "Efficient"?  Come on.
 
        It's nonsense.  It's simply a better design.  Motorola had the
        luck to start out with something that happens to have been
        much easier to extend into bigger and faster chips.  Anyone
        want to compare number of registers?
 
 
>>Motorola's 680x0 line of processors, except for the RISC machines, are
>>pretty much the de-facto standard on computer platforms including
>>workstations like the Sparc, etc. It's only IBM clones that use Intels
>>80x86 line..
 
 
        What's the best selling line of all time?  IBM clones.
 
 
>And I always thought a Sparc used a Sparc chip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
        Quite right.  (see below)
 
 
>And of course HP workstations use their RISC chip, so not sure how "standard"
>the 680x0 is on latest workstations.
 
 
        It is not the standard on the latest wordstations, unless you
        count the Quadras (Apple, '040) and the Amigas ('040) and
        the NeXT's ('040).  With the exception of the Apple Quads,
        none of these are "the latest" anything--well, the Amiga has
        new graphics.. but the NeXT is nothing really new, hardware
        wise, and for that matter neither arethe quads.
 
        But in the guy's defense, imagine he's been living in a cave
        for a few months and missed the general migration away from
        motorola processors.  Let's remember--Sun used to make 68k
        based machines, and so did HP (as well as a lot of other
        people).  But the *present* ofcomputers is that everyone
        is making their best efforts (yes, even Apple--one of the
        longest M68k users) to get away from Motorola.  HP to PA risc,
        Sun and just about everyone else to Sparc, others to Alpha, some
        (weirdly) are even moving onto Intel (NeXT, Univel, Sun, others)--
        but mostly for the installed base (and not hardware wise).
 
        Nobody wants to be on Motorola CPUs because Motorolas track record
        for the last three years has been disgraceful--when was the
        '040-40 released?  Anything since?  And how late, exactly,
        is the "new" 88k?  (Who's still a pusher of the 88k, anyway?
        Used to be Sun, HP, others--now it's just Data General)
 
        Motorola has been left in the dust by Intel.  I would be
        willing to bet that the '050 ('060 for marketing fiends)
        willbe the last real evolutionary version of the 68k line.
        There's already a $60 risc (wisc, if what I've read is right)
        that can emulate a 25mhz 68040... [Yes, vapor--but it's been
        demoed, so it's a lot less vapor than the pentium or the
        '060]

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