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From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: US Championship Results
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:19:42 GMT

I have a comment on the high number of draws by Seirawan - he was playing to
qualify for the Interzonal and not to win the tournament.  Fischer's approach
didn't rub off on him (anything else you want me to tell him?)

[If he doesn't get in the Candidates', what's the point?  Big congratulations
to Wolff.]

It's awfully easy from the sidelines...
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:16:38 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <92363.133501IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (ABHAY) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.052513.14461@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu
> (sven  hauptfeld) says:
> 
>>This is really idiotic. Do you think that government having jurisdiction over
>>its people mean that those people are its property? And do you think that a US
>>citizen who kills somebody in another country would be immune of a trial by a
>>US court?
> 
> YES! If the person killed is not an american, then he can't be tried in
> U.S. He can be tried in that foreign country, if he is caught there or if
>   he is convicted and that country has extradiction treaty with U.S.!!!
> ( U.S. doesn't have Extradiction treaty with Yugo.)

Abhay! Who are you? Another person who talks about the law and appears to have
some understanding of it!

God be praised.

And, quick Q. Abhay, does it matter if the victim is an American or not? My
undestading is that they could be an American as well, else it would set up a
nasty precedent whereby our courts have crimminal jurisdiction over foreign
nationals who kill Americans.


> 
>>You must be either kidding or totally ignorant.
> I don't think so Sven!
>>        Sven
> Abhay

Kick in more. It is good to hear from someone who actually has knowledge of the
subject they are speaking on.
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:32:18 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <34610@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:
> 
> I submit that the basis for stating that Fischer is not as good as he
> was has been provided not only in Benjamin's article, but also
> Dzindzihashvili's in _Chess Life_ and Ree's in _New In Chess_.  

I admit I have not read this article by Dzindihashvoli's article, and it may
have come up to snuff as being a serious work. But surely you can not place
Benjamin's article as being convincing!!!

Any work which relies on the reader's acceptance without solid proof is hardly
the legitimate work of an expert to be taken seriously!!!


> 
> I am interested to know if there are any dissenting opinions in the
> ranks of GMs.  Of course, everybody agrees that he is still quite
> strong.  Why such the furor over the statement that a 20-year layoff
> might prove a little detrimental (as evidenced by the games)?

Other have, I believe, spoken up over a love of Fischer. I disagree not with
the statment, but with the shoddy way in which it was presented, and the way so
many people here have blindly accepted such a biased and weak peace.

> 
> And, if there are no GMs who disagree with the notion that the
> 49-year old Fischer is tangibly weaker than the 29-year old Fischer,
> does that mean anything or are they all deluded?  Just wondering.
> 
> (Let's keep this at the level of chess moves and games, please).
> 
> -mark
From: schiller@whorf (Eric Schiller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Siesta Variation (name) and Albin Counter question
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:39:53 GMT
Reply-To: schiller@sapir.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <9212232247.AA08178@cs3.vuse> spin@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Jeremy  
Spinrad) writes:
> 
 I
> played a strange line in the Albon countergambit in a recent tournament  
with
> a good result. I could not find the line in any modern opening book; I  
was
> wondering if anyone had comments on it.
> 
> 1. P-Q4 P-Q4 2. P-QB4 P-K4 3. QPxP P-Q5 4. N-KB3 N-QB3 5. QN-Q2 and now  
the
> bizarre looking move, suggested as a possibility in Tartakower and  
DuMont's
> book "500 Master Games", Q-K2. Modern opening books give B-K3, B-KN5,  
B-QN5,
> P-B3, Q-Q2 as possibilities, but not this. The point, which worked in my
> game vs. a player rated ~2050, is to castle queenside ASAP, trade off  
the 
> king bishop pawn via P-KB3 opening the king file, and advance the queen  
pawn 
> with a wild game in store. Of course, the king's bishop doesn't develop
> easily, but that is part of the bargain. Does anyone know an example of  
this
> line being tested in master play?
> 
> Jerry Spinrad
Funny you should mention it, I was looking at a game with this line
this past wekend, from a German publication of gambit games. I
remember that when I wrote my Albin book I didn't think much of
the move, but can't now recall why. I will try to find the
relevant citation and remember what it was i thought White
could do, and will post soon as time permits.
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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:49:37 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec28.160923.691@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1hn68aINNjag@life.ai.mit.edu>, joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec26.182617.643@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> |> While that may have been a tactic you used to while away the hours in your
>> |> otherwise pointless existance, my posts have been designed to question the
>> |> positions stated by 'experts' and if said positions are the result of informed,
>> |> impartial decision-making.
>> 
>> You seem to make a point of trying to pass yourself off as a well-educated
>> scholar by using eloquent wording.  This sentence fragment,
>
>That is no fragment. There is a subject (posts), verb (have been), and complete
>thought.
>
[defensive postering deleted]

None of this even remotely deals with chess.

Out here in the 'wild' west, we have a saying, which seems appropriate at
this juncture:

          DON'T FLOG DEAD HORSES!!!!


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From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: To (mostly) all; Sven especially.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:56:13 GMT

Another entry into my KILL file!  Are there any posts in this group on
CHESS???????

All of this political, legal, and name-calling flaming reminds me of the
following discussion from the movie "Wargames"

"How about a nice game of chess?"

"Later.  Let's play 'Global Thermonuclear War'."

"Fine."



Just like this newsgroup, World War III almost breaks out because someone
wanted to play a GAME.


John


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From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Gruenfeld Exchange Variation (Browne - I. Gurevich, US Ch. 1992)
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:55:53 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


After 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cd Nd5 5. e4 Nc3 6. bc Bg7
      7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 O-O 10. Rc1 cd 11. cd Qa5+
     12. Kf1,

I. Gurevich played 12...Rd8?? and was crushed after the obvious
13. Qb3 e6 14. d5 Ne5 15. de Nc4 16. ef Kh8 17. Qc4, being two pawns down
without compensation.

After the main line 12...Bd7 13. h4 Rfc8 14. h5,

what's the current status of 14...e5!? - Byrne mentions a game
Ionescu-Rogozenko, Romania 1992 without further moves.  14...Nd8, as
in Shirov-I. Gurevich, Chile 1990 or Shirov-Ernst, Lloyds Bank 1991,
looks too passive.

-mark
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen)
Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.181439.15595@midway.uchicago.edu> greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg) writes:
>I have not yet seen the following comment about the legality of the
>Fischer-Spassky chess match in Yugoslavia:
>
>As far as I know, it is legal for an American citizen to play chess in
>Yugoslavia or with Yugoslavian citizens or both.  What is not legal is
>many kinds of business activity with Yugoslavian individuals or
>organizations.  Apparently that includes accepting prize money in a
>Yugoslavian chess tournament or royalties from its commericial
>activities.

Is it legal for American citizens to travel to Yugoslavia?  




>
>Obligatory chess question:  Does there exist a chess position in
>which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
>cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
>hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?

As Yakov Smirnoff would say, "Yep."

White to move.
White:  Bf1, Ra1, Ra2, Ka5
Black: Kh1, Qb5, Rb8

White's only move is BxQ mate!
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess, hockey and fighting
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:18:42 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <18986@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
> Although fighting in hockey disgraces the sport and adds nothing to the game,
> I don't think many of us turn off the game when a fight breaks out (they sure
> don't turn off the camera...)
> 
> I think the current fight on usenet.rec.games.chess is comparable.  Few chess
> players want to get involved, but it's hard not to tune in to see what's
> going to happen next!
> 
> Mark - are you getting all this down?
> 
> [As a courtesy, though, it would be easier for the spectators not to include
> the postings to which a response is being made, and just post the latest
> flame.  I only want to see the new stuff.]

The trouble with that is people like Sven then turn around two posts later and
claim "I never said that!"

Sorry, you have to sit through the replays before you get to see the latest
rounds.
From: CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCHB)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: 2267 Performance Rating for 10-year old in Montreal
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:30:04 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Here is a CHESS-related item:

Ten-year old Lefong Hua scored an impressive 3.5 out of 5 in the
Open section of a tournament in Montreal (Canada) which ended
yesterday. His results were as follows (he was ranked 45th out
of 49 players at the start):

Round 1 - opponent's rating 2030     1 - 0
Round 2 - opponent's rating 2181   0.5 - 0.5
Round 3 - opponent's rating 1900     1 - 0
Round 4 - opponent's rating 2347     0 - 1
Round 5 - opponent's rating 2132     1 - 0
                                   =========
                                   3.5 - 2.5

His performance rating was 2278, raising his rating to 1947.

After adjusting for the "deflated ratings" of Canadian players, his
USCF rating would be somewhere around 2100 (published USCF rating is
in the 1600's, based on 6 games).

His photo was on the front cover of the February 1992 issue of CHESS
LIFE (upper right, holding trophy), after winning the Grade 4 section
of the National Elementary School Championships (Nov. 1991).

His brother, age 6, wants to play in tournaments too, but is just
learning to write, and cannot record his moves!

Does anyone know if a ten-year old has ever had an expert (or a master)
rating before? (Fischer became a master at 13).


Hugh.
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS GAME
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

->    I have started game #5 (I hope) as black so we can play again.
->                 Sol

ok thanks...
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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.225755.726@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>Ha ha ha! I bet Sven would approve wholehartedly if some Iraqi court were to
>pass sentence on an Iraqi that moved here, but had not yet legally become a
>U.S. citizen. According to Sven, they would still be under Iraqi law for the
>two years it takes to become a U.S. citizen.
>
Three years of law school and you don't know how long it takes to become a US
citizen? Shame on you!

	Sven
	(who would be a US citizen if dmc's claims were right)
From: prohaska@lapis.Eng.Sun.COM (J.R. Prohaska)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Short-Timman Match Details
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:49:22 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: lapis

What are the details of the Short-Timman match?  Whan and where is it?
How do these matches work?  When and where would the winner play Kasparov?

Thanks,
J.R.
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: GAME 14
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

-> Something hiccupped and I lost carrier while I was playing game #14.
-> Called back, and now I can't get back into the game. It's showing as
-> busy. Guess the program still shows me playing.  Can you fix me up
-> here?

The game will be locked for an hour. After which, you may play it again.
I would try to fix that now, but I better not. The last time I tried to
fix it, we had to start all over again.
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From: mkukkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Kukkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Volga/Benko Gambit help
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:10:46 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1993Jan3.022526.13137@vela.acs.oakland.edu> tewald@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:

>My first submission/question:
>I am white in the following:
>1.d2-d4  g8-f6  2. c2-c4  c7-c5  3. d4-d5 b7-b5  4. b2-b3 ...
>MCO12 identifies black's 3rd move with the Benko Gambit.  It gives three
>possible responses:  4.c4xb5  4. g1-f3  4. a2-a4
>I played as I did to support the c-pawn.  Accepting the gambit removes
>support from the d-pawn; the other two MCO12 responses give up the c-pawn,
>which will then cause the d-pawn to lose support.
>Can someone explain the thinking here, please?  

The problem in your reasoning is that white d-pawn is NOT the main
target for black in Benko, because black is aiming for active Q-side
play and pawn at d5 keeps the center closed.

I found 4.b3 only in my old BCO, which gives "4.b3 bxc4 5.bxc4 d6 =".
Let's look into this a little bit:
4.Bb2 (against other moves black plays 4.-g6, when Bb2 is necessary
anyway. One exception though: 4.Nc3 g6 5.Bd2 Bg7 6.Rb1 looks playable,
but nothing special for white.) 4.-Nbd7 (4.-g6 5.Bxf6 exf6 might also
be good, as B on g7 is fearsome.) 5.Nbd2 g6 6.e4 (6.g4!? Ne5!?) Bg7
7.Bd3 O-O 8.Nge2!? (with idea of f4+e5 or h4-h5).

This looks like normal Benko position to me, except that white does not
have pawn more and his pieces are little clumsily. On the other hand
black does not have b2-pawn to attack. so I guess it is "=".

My opinion is that 4.b3 is not worth the trouble, as there are many
lines that give white easy if small edge.

Mika
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Trying to learn to live in Helsinki University of Computer Science.
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:08:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.DUBACH1.92Dec22050841
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu's message of 21 Dec 92 15:29:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.102957.590@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <DUBACH1.92Dec21083431@husc10.harvard.edu>, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec20.233336.585@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> 
>>>My personal philosophy on life can be boiled down to:
>> 
>>>A working imperfect solution is better than a non-working perfect solution.
>> 
>>>I have little respect for 'critics' who lack the ability to climb to the top,
>>>and it spills over....
>> 
>> Mmm-hmm.  I take it you have little respect for yourself, then.
>> 
>> Joev
>
>Is that the best you can do?

No, I guess not.  I have little respect for your mindless prattling,
your wasted verbiage, your uninformed drivel.  You disgust me.
Rec.games.chess is for discussion of chess, not rhetorical sophistry.
Please, take your lawyering and your arguments elsewhere.

Joev
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From: co736@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Short-Timman Poll!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:36:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


SHORT versus TIMMAN: the Candidates' Final!
A Usenet Poll...
----------------------------------------------------------------

Here's an opportunity to participate in a decidedly 
non-scientific and unofficial way in the upcoming Candidates'
Final match between Nigel Short and Jan Timman.

Between now and the start of the match I'll be conducting a 
poll of interested players (that means you) on the projected
outcome of the match.  You simply need to email a quick
message to me with:

     1]  your prediction on the winner of the match and
         the final game score (e.g. 6.5-5.5) and,
     2]  OPTIONAL...your reasons and method for determining
         the answer to item 1.

A couple of days before the match I'll summarize the results
from item one and collect the interesting bits from item two
in a post here.

No need to bog down REC.GAMES.CHESS with your votes, just 
mail them to me directly at:

         MCFADM@DNRHAL.DNR.WISC.GOV

Mark McFadden.
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.
Madison, Wisconsin

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From: sol.steinberg@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sol Steinberg) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS GAME
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: sol.steinberg@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sol Steinberg) 

      I have started game #6 as Black so we can play again.
                    Sol
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From: carabalo@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David G. Caraballo)
Subject: Re: Harper Challenged!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.224631.20511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.125320.739@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>writes (to Bruce Harper):
>
>>But, since you are SOOOO certain, I'll make you a wager. I fly out to where
>>you are, and play YOU in a game of chess.
>>
>>Loser pays for the roundtrip tickets.

Is this guy serious about anything?

>Actually, it would be much easier to do it on ICS!!
>You could post the time that the two of you would play,
>and everybody here could watch.  Money could still be
>involved (maybe...possibly...perhaps).

If I had it, I'd put $10,000,000 on Bruce...

David Caraballo
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:48:06 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec29.083624.1437@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.181439.15595@midway.uchicago.edu> greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg) writes:
>>I have not yet seen the following comment about the legality of the
>>Fischer-Spassky chess match in Yugoslavia:
>>
>>As far as I know, it is legal for an American citizen to play chess in
>>Yugoslavia or with Yugoslavian citizens or both.  What is not legal is
>>many kinds of business activity with Yugoslavian individuals or
>>organizations.  Apparently that includes accepting prize money in a
>>Yugoslavian chess tournament or royalties from its commericial
>>activities.
> 
> Is it legal for American citizens to travel to Yugoslavia?  
> 

Sure, just don't spend a penny on food or travel or lodiging.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>>Obligatory chess question:  Does there exist a chess position in
>>which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
>>cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
>>hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?
> 
> As Yakov Smirnoff would say, "Yep."
> 
> White to move.
> White:  Bf1, Ra1, Ra2, Ka5
> Black: Kh1, Qb5, Rb8
> 
> White's only move is BxQ mate!
>