From: sga@cray.com (Steven G. Anderson)
Subject: Re: GEORGE BUSH, STOP THE RED-BAITING
Reply-To: sga@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:50:12 CDT

In article 20112@midway.uchicago.edu, shou1@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Roger Shouse) writes:
>
>This Jerry Kuch character is a trip, no?  The man can't seem to read or 
>think.  I suggested that the anti-Vietnam war demonstions that took place
>overseas were essentially anti-American.  I did not say that anyone who
>participated in one "hated" America.  I remember those demonstrations.  I 
>was actually alive then (unlike many of those who post here!).  I saw the
>flag burning, I heard the pro-Viet Cong chanting (this, of course could be
>heard on the home front as well).  To millions of people, it was clear that
>these demonstrations were not just anti-war, but also anti-American, in the
>sense that America was condemned as an aggressive state, seeking to stomp
>on the "legitimate interests" of poor Vietnamese.

How old were you, 10?  I too remember those demonstrations well, because like
Clinton, I was in them.  I was teargassed, and chased by FBI agents because I
dared to take pictures of their brutality to demonstrators.  Some of it made
the Rodney King beating look like kids stuff.  I strongly suspect that I had 4 different apartments that I lived in bugged.  Why?  Because I had the guts
to stand up and say what we were doing in VietNam was wrong.  It had more to do
with patriotism, than all of the flag wavers put together.  It is far more patriotic
to stand up to keep your country from making an ass of itself than it is to just
blindly follow its current leadership into every quagmire on earth.  If you ever
read any of the history of VietNam you would realize that we were "seeking to stomp
on the legitimate interests of poor Vietnamese."

>
>I'd like to know about the principles that guided Clinton's thinking then,
>and about how he feels about those principles today.  It matters, because
>if he actually become president, he may have to face similar situations --
>he may have to confront world tyrants similar to those represented by the 
>by the North Vietnamese army.  Apparently, however, Jerry Kuch doesn't want
>to know about such things, or doesn't care, or doesn't understand.  That's
>fine.  I'm sure he's a towering intelectual and not at all a neanderthal
>name caller.
Such things are irrelevant.  Clinton and I are approximately the same age.
If I was running in place of Clinton, Bush would make the following statements:

1.  He protested Viet Nam
2.  He never served in the military
3.  He moved to Canada in the 1970's
4.  He moved back to the US after President Carter granted amnesty to all draft
    dodgers who left the country.

The implication being that I moved to Canada to avoid the draft.  What he would
fail to tell you is that I moved to Canada in 1977 (4 years after our involvement
in Viet Nam ended).  That I was 1-A my sophomore year in college because my lottery
number was 356.

Bush is a desperate man who will stop at nothing to win.  In 1988 he fooled the
American people.  In 1992, the American people have wised up.  He has a credibility
gap bigger than Nixon's.

One last question.  Who were the real German patriots in Germany from 1932 - 1945?
Were they the people who blindly followed Hitler, or were they the people who protested
their government's insane policies?

Steve Anderson

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