From: phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C J Tilbury)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Drugs
Followup-To: alt.rave
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:40:14 -0000
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Summary: ... yet more about drugs ...
Keywords: Drugs, more drugs, yet MORE drugs :-)

In article <1992Nov6.224735.10634@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (marvin the martian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.162808.20463@aston.ac.uk> hartnupj@cs.aston.ac.uk
>writes: 
>|
>| phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Chris Tilbury) writes :
>|:FACT : There is no such thing as a "nice" drug. There are bad drugs,
>|:and there are "badder" drugs. If you think you're doing yourself any
>|:favours by taking them, you're fooling yourself. (Ps. This is _not_
>|:an anti-drugs post. I'm certainly not in any :position to condemn
>|:anyone for taking them....)    
>|
>|Ok, but there's still drugs that make you feel "nice", which is
>|probably what 487 (nice name) meant.  Lets take alcohol as a LEGAL example.

Point taken. :-) I just like to keep a healthy scepticism about what I take 
around me.
 
>|Some people get aggressive and nasty under its influence.  In this
>|case alcohol is a nasty drug. 
>|Others love everyone they see and laugh a lot. In this case it's a nice drug.

You must know some lucky drinkers. I've never met someone who when pissed 
loves everyone. They're normally too busy with their head down a toilet (or
worse ...). And they can't dance either :)

>You could've also mentioned prescription drugs and tobacco.  There is
>no doubt in my mind that this person as at one time or another had
>some drug prescribed by a doctor and taken it, and, it probably helped
>him out.  Thus it is ignorant to say drugs are "bad" or "badder".

Many a time. But this is alt.rave, not alt.relieve.rheumatic.pain , or 
alt.get.rid.of.a.headache. In the context of this newsgroup, the chances are 
"drug" means a chemical/substance which is taken for non-medical purposes ; ie
speed, ecstacy, LSD etc...

As for tobbacco .. read on ...

>Very ignorant.  Especially considering you say "you're in no position
>to condemn drug use" and yet you do by stating very boldly and
>blanketly that drug use is bad.  

I know people who smoke. They don't proclaim it as being wonderful for their
health. Most of them openly admit that its bad for them. They smoke because
they enjoy it. And like nearly everything else in the world, the enjoyabilty
of a drug is nearly always inversely proportional to its safety. 

And just because you have first hand experience of using a drug, doesn't mean
you are in any way less able to realise that drugs harmful potential. In fact,
I'd say the minute you stop thinking about what you could be doing to yourself
, is the minute you could lose control of your drug use. ( And I'm not saying
walk around thinking - "Oh my god I'm going to die if I take another E.". More
along the lines - "Ok, I'll make sure I don't get too hot, and sip plenty of
liquids, and I won't push myself _too_ far tonight..." ).   

There has s been a case recently in the UK, in which a girl who dropped an `E'
at a party on a saturday night was fine. Until 9 days later, when she
apparently dropped dead due to that same E, and its _reported_ that there were
NO other drugs in her system at the time.

If this is true, then it's quite frightening. It probably won't make me stop,
but it'll make me be as safe as I can be.

Remember : _Most_ recreational drugs can be dangerous. Be safe. Don't take 
           any more chances than you are already taking by using the drug.

Oh, and one other thing - enjoy yourselves out there, its what its all about.

>|John... making no sense.

		Keep the faith,

  			Chris... making even less :)



-- 
Chris Tilbury						phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk
"Q:How many ravers does it take to change a light bulb?
 A:100 : 1 to change it, and 99 to moan about how much better the old one was."
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