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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: FTP
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:52:37 GMT

In <01GSJG30DEDU9S64UU@TOE.TOWSON.EDU> Jay Morgan <E7G4MOR@TOWSONVX.BITNET> writes:

>Can someone tell me what are the proper programs to use to unzip files from
>FTP sites.  I have tried PKUNZIP to unzip several files, but  I  get  error
>messages, and PKZIPFIX does not correct the problem.  Does anyone have  any
>suggestions?  Thanks!

 I assume that the programs are zip files, i.e. have a .zip extension, in
which case pkunzip should work.

 One common mistake: Did you specify binary transer for ftp?

 Do this by typing 'bin' as an ftp command.  (Or sometimes 'image' or
'binary')

 Otherwise the silly thing does some conversion of the newlines and will
really mess up the file.
-- 
sheldon@iastate.edu                Steve Sheldon
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From:         "SCHLESINGER, PETER" <i43_ps02@RED.WHOI.EDU>
Subject:      RE: micro-cosim?

For me, I usually have the data and motivation, time mgmt is a major drag,
Misunderstood System Function/Behavior, Data Format Translation, Misunder-
stood Command Syntax, Failure of Critical hardware before deadline are all
the major bugaboos. And failure of critical software to perform up to the
standards claimed.
Peter Schlesinger
The Woods Hole Research Center
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Subject:      VIGIS-L

                 A N N O U N C I N G. . .

                       VIGIS-L

                A Newsgroup for those
             specifically interested in
              Virtual World Interfaces
              and their application to
           Geographic Information Systems

WHAT?! Another newsgroup??!

   Yes, yet another newsgroup to serve the ever-
expanding research/information population of the
global network.

The Purpose:
   To provide a forum for issues specifically
surrounding the use of Virtual Worlds (Virtual
Reality) Interfaces for Geographic Information
Systems as well as any and all spatial information/
decision support systems. The broad goal is to
generate constructive discussions about how Virtual
Worlds will be used in GIS, as well as approach the
fundamental issue of why implement VR at all.
   The discussion is wide open for topics such as: what
steps to take, where are we now, where will it go, who
might benefit, what role will conventional maps play, etc.
As with most newsgroups, the topics are wide open.
(However, let's keep the inevitable metaphysical
discussions about the nature of reality to a minimum!
There are other newsgroups for that...).
   In addition, it will be an open place for collaboration
and the exchanging of ideas.

The Membership:
   Anyone! From serious VR and GIS researchers to
curious bystanders from any and all disciplines.
A multi-disciplinary approach is not only welcome,
but highly encouraged.

The Moderator:
   Thomas M. Edwards, a doctoral student at the
University of Washington, Seattle and a cartographic
consultant. Tom has written three papers on the topic,
including his masters thesis, and plans to pursue it
further through doctoral and personal research.

   Virtual Worlds technology has arrived and
the need for improved users interfaces in GIS has
been realized. How will the disciplines involved
with VR and GIS shape their ultimate synthesis?
Be a part of a beginning and help shape that
future.

To subscribe to VIGIS-L, send the command:

   SUBSCRIBE VIGIS-L <your name>

To:

   LISTSERV@UWAVM.BITNET

Note: This is a fledgling newsgroup and will take
time to get moving. Any 'starter' commentaries are
more than welcome. This is primarily an initial
call for membership. The group should get moving
with moderator-induced info. after 1/1/93. Please
be patient! Thanks...

Also stay in touch through these newsgroups...
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From:         ERIC B PYLE <epyle@TITAN.UCC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: micro-cosim?

I have just finished a semester as a teaching assistant for a GIS course
offered in the department of Forestry & Wildlife at UMass-Amherst. It's
interesting to compare your students' comments with what I saw.
We encouraged all (~ 40) students to work on a group project together.
Almost everyone did so. We determined the study area and provided data--
some in digital form, some had to be digitized. Therefore finding data
wasn't so much of a problem. I'm not sure what you mean by "motivation"
as a problem, but time management was certainly a problem for our
students. Our biggest problems were running out of hard disk space on
the PC's and the lengthy time required to perform some overlay type
commands in PC ARC/INFO with the fairly complex data layers we used. The
class was mostly gradu te students in Wildlife, Resource Economics,
Geography, Regional Planning, and Landscape Architecture.

Eric Pyle
epyle@forwild.umass.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:15:00 -0600
From:         Eric M Fowler <emfowler@CONVEX.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Subject:      Europe Data

Dear Netters,

Does anyone know of a source(s) where I could get individual
building or business data for cities in Europe?  In the United States
a source may be a property appraisal department, or even a private
vendor.

On a somewhat related topic, are there any sources of map data for
Europe, such as the easy to use Street Atlas USA by DeLORME?
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks,

Eric-
emfowler@convex.csd.uwm.edu
From: ahrea@CSDOKOKL.CR.USGS.GOV (Alan H. Rea)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Landsat costs
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:08:26 GMT
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In reply to my query last week about the cost of LANDSAT data, I received
the following reply from an 'unnamed government source'.

>The Land Remote Sensing Act of 1992, now signed into existence by President
>Bush, is a radical departure from (and in fact actually repeals) the Land
>Remote Sensing Commercialization Act of 1984. The act provides the following:
>* All Landsat 4 and 5 data revert to the Government, and are available to
>  scholars involved in Global Change research, government scientists, and some
>  others at "the marginal cost of reproduction", generally agreed to be $200
 per  scene.
>* Landsat 6 remains the property of EOSAT, but its data (15 m in pan, otherwise
>  the same as TM) will be provided at cost to the government.
>* Landsat 7 will be designed, built, launched by NASA. DoD will handle some
>  aspects of operations, and Interior (EROS Data Center) will archive and
>  distribute the data at the marginal cost. The act explicitly forbits
>  cost recovery from data sales. Landsat 7 is being discussed as having
>  the same Enhanced TM as Landsat 6 plus a new instrument, the High Resolution
>  Multispectral Stereo Imager. This instrument will have four ten meter
>  bands, plus one panchromatic band with 4.5 meter resolution. The added
>  capability of fore-and-aft plus left-to-right stereo means that stereo
>  mapping with the onboard GPS will allow some afirly precise ground
 topographic  mapping. Landsat 7 data will be available to everyone and will be
 part of the
>  EOSDIS at EROS. Launch date for Landsat 7 is 1998, for 6, January 1993.

This is great news, in my own personal opinion.

Alan Rea, Hydrologist         *    ahrea@csdokokl.cr.usgs.gov (USE THIS ONE!)
U.S. Geological Survey        * "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA  *  who falsely believe they are free" -- Goethe
"Any opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer..."
From: hnw@MTQGRASS.ESD.ORNL.GOV (Bill Hargrove)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: sun angle and azimuth
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:39:58 GMT
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Hello Netters:

     If I have a TM image of Yellowstone Nat'l Park made at 17:40 Greenwich
time on August 2, 1989, how can I calculate the sun's altitude and azimuth?
I want to split the image into well-lighted and shaded areas in order to
get a better image classification of burn severity.  I know the center of
the image, and that it was made at 11:40 AM local time (I think).
     Can anyone point me in the right direction (grin)?
                                   Thanks,
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:56:54 EST
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Subject:      Re: LIS/GIS Videos
              15 Dec 1992 13:35:58 PST from <spalladi@PIXIE.NCGIA.UCSB.EDU>

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:35:58 PST <spalladi@PIXIE.NCGIA.UCSB.EDU> said:
>The NCGIA is just finishing up a survey of GIS videos.  It will available
>as one of our technical reports at the beginning of the new year.  I
>will send another message to GIS-L after the first of the year with more
>details.  If you can't wait, you can try calling the NCGIA Publications
>Office at 805-893-8224 for more information.  STEVE
>
>Mr. Steve Palladino
>Education Projects Manager
>National Center for Geographic Information and Analysis
>University of California, Santa Barbara
>Phone: (805)893-8652
>Fax: (805)893-8617
>E-mail: (Internet) spalladi@castor.geog.ucsb.edu
>        (Bitnet) palladi@voodoo.bitnet

What's a GIS video?

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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:40:58 -0500
From:         gbenwell@COMMERCE.OTAGO.AC.NZ
Subject:      GIS for Info Science Students

To those interested in GIS for Information Science (with a Commerce Division)
here is our 26 lecture course.  This course is complimentary to another papers
 given in our
department and those presented in Surveying, Computer Science and Geography.

The objective is to give "commerce" type students a basic understanding of GIS
 (though I prefer
the term SIS).  Our students have three years of extensive education on general
 systems
application and systems development.  Through this they are able to understand,
 develop,
manage and use information systems.  Information systems here is very broad and
 includes
accounting, multimedia, library systems, natural language processing,  and
 includes knowledge
of tools such as petri nets, software engineering, Pascal, Cobol, C and C++,
 CASE,
design analysis, requirements, ER, SQL (etc), etc etc etc.

So, at least for me, SIS is just another type of information system and can be
 explained when
using the solid information systems knowledge that our students already have.
 Of course there
are differences and I use the 26 lecture course, plus another advanced SIS
 course (52 lectures) to
bridge the gap.

Here are the topic outlines for what we teach in the 26 lecture course;

1       general introduction to concepts and theory
2       data capture
3       data representation
4       spatial analysis
5       requirements analysis
6       data modelling
7       case studies
8       management/organisational issues
9       contemporary research issues

Practical
GIST - for terminology
IDRISI - for spatial concepts and analysis
GENAMAP - for database and vector treatment

By the way the other half of the course (to make it a one year 26 week course)
 is devoted to;
neural networks
expert systems
LISP
PROLOG
AI
and the two halves are integrated for examples and problem solving.


Cheers


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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:26:00 EST
From:         "SCHLESINGER, PETER" <i43_ps02@RED.WHOI.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Evaluation of low end GIS software

Well, then, you should eliminate IDRISI, because it is not a "low end"
package. It is inexpensive, very user-friendly, and contains many, many
analytic capabilities.

Peter Schlesinger
The Woods Hole Research Center
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From: rosen@pooh.sdd.trw.com (Daniel Rosen)
Subject: Data Formats
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:50:53 GMT

A quick question. I am involved in a DoD committee and one of the
things I would like to answer is the question of data formats. I
would like to ask everyone to list all the data formats with which
they work excluding any DMA formats (ie: VPF). Simply list the
data format acronym and what is stands for if possible. A few examples are
SAM, DAM etc. Please let me know which are transmission formats and which
are local data storage formats. You can post your answers are email them to me.

Thank you.

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From:         David Gould <gould@GIS.LISLAB.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAPS-L
              14, 92 08:27:05 am

>
> >
> > While I am pleased to see some interest in the GIS community in what
> > the virtual reality work can mean to us, PLEASE don't implement it as
> > a list server! Dealing with MAPS-L is bad enough and yet another source
> > of large volumes of mail should be avoided if there is any alternate.
>
> I would like to know more about MAPS-L. If anyone out there has any info
> on this subject, or info on how to subscribe, please notify me by email.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
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From: RSIT93D@SAUPM00.BITNET (Muqtadir)
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Subject: Convert files from PC ARC/INFO to SUN ARC/INFO or vice versa
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:30:30 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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Hi Gentleman :

Is there any program or command in ARC/INFO to convert files of PC ARC/INFO
to SUN ARC/INFO or from SUN to PC.

Thanks in advance.

A. Muqtadir
Image Processing Center,
Research Institute, KFUPM,
Dhahran. K.S.A.
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From:         Graeme Greenwood <greenwoo@SOL.SURV.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Quantifying...

The discussion surrounding quantifying maps on the basis of equivalent units
to a house, as per the UK Ordnance Survey, brought to mind the following silly
season contribution:

Until the 1970's, the International Whaling Commission (IWC) 'regulated' the
international catch of great whales on the basis of a blue whale unit (BWU).
Quotas were allocated on the basis of numbers of BWUs, where, from memory
1 BWU = approx;
        1 blue whale
        2 fin whales
        2.5 humpback whales
        3(?) sperm whales
        6 sei whales
Of course this system effectively ensured the successive commercial extinction
of each species. Not that I'm suggesting any paralells between the OS and
the IWC, but there do seem to be certain risky assumptions associated with
equating one 'house' with a certain length of transport corridor!
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:16:29 CST
From:         Pete Wolter <pwolter@SPARKIE.NRRI.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      17:40 GMT

Bill,

> The approximate center of the image is LAT N 44 19 43, and LON W 111 16 13.
> I think that 17:40 GMT is 11:40 daylight-savings mountain time - did I
> do that right?

If you are trying to calibrate to %reflectance and you know the correct
sun angle and azimuth -- What does time have to do with it?

Look at PRICE, 1989 (I think International J. Remote Sensing)

        alpha1=0.602
        alpha2=1.170
        alpha3=0.806
        alpha4=0.815
        alpha5=0.108
        alpha7=0.0570
        beta1=-1.50
        beta2=-2.80
        beta3=-1.20
        beta4=-1.50
        beta5=-0.370
        beta7=-0.150
        solrad1=620.0
        solrad2=577.0
        solrad3=493.0
        solrad4=332.0
        solrad5=67.10
        solrad7=24.50

good luck Bill!
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From:         Kirk Butterbaugh <V115G932@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      memory size of USGS DLG's

Greetings,

Can anyone tell me approximately how much memory a "busy"
7.5 minute USGS hypsographic DLG takes up?  I figure it's huge
but I'd appreciate a ball park estimate if one is out there.

Thanks in advance

Kirk
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:18:08 EST
From:         Richard Pardi <pardi@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: FTP

When using PKUNZIP on files downloaded with FTP
you have to set binary during the download.  For
some reason this does not always work, I'd be
interested to hear about anyone else's attempts.
Cheers, Dick Pardi
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From: djthongs@hockney.Princeton.EDU (Dominique J. Thongs)
Subject: GIS Packages, Public Domain or proprietary ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Schools
Reply-To: djthongs@earth.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University -Water Resources Program 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:53:31 GMT

	Reading about the problems involved in teaching a GIS
	Course has brought up an interesting point...
	Or at least I think it may be interesting.
	Has anyone compiled a list of what GIS packages
	are used by schools that teach GIS courses ?
	And do those schools use that GIS package or another
	in their research  
             
	Would be interesting to see what percentage
	of the GIS packages are PUBLIC DOMAIN vs PROPRIETARY.
	if no such list exist....
	I may post a request on this group that would try to compile such
	a list.
		First let's see if such a beast exist.

	One question that then comes to mind is why did they make the choice
	they did ?..., what are the reason for choosing a public domain
	GIS over a proprietary one, or vice versa.

	Myself I would choose a public domain GIS, so that
	I could get to the source code.
	This way I could Really see what the Functions are doing versus
	what they are advertised as doing.
	Functions could also be improved or added quite easily.
	
	Would be interested to hear some Opinions on this.
	Thanks.
	
	Oh, ... "Happy Holidays to ALL"

Dominique Thongs
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