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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Sep7.203412.14734@morrow.stanford.edu> jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:
>In article <18338@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
>>
>> American Michael Andretti has signed to
>> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
>> in the 1993 world championship.        
>>                                        
>Hooray! Finally a top US driver in F1! Now let's see how he'll do! Maybe
>we can even get a GP back soon...

  Top US driver eh? Guess with his success record theres not much I can
 argue there. But I will admit that I am -very- anxious to see how well
 his 'move over, im michael andretti' style of driving works in F1. Lets
 see how a top US driver stacks up against the top WORLD drivers. Seems
 to me there are already a few drivers of that style already there. It
 will be very interesting. I feel michael has developed a very cockey out-
 look on driving and life over the last few years. Perhaps a tour of duty
 in F1 will reduce that a bit. Contact with drivers who say 'I don't care
 who the he!! you are' will make for some exciting racing when mixed with
 his 'move over, im michael andretti' style.

 -Dan
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From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hakkinen for Lotus
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:01:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep7.105646.1565@tac.fi>, tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen) writes...
>-According todays newspaper Mika Hakkinen will drive for Lotus next year.
> Williams, McLaren, Benetton ...Watch out !



But, isn't he driving for Lotus this year, too?



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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:05:43 GMT

In article <1316@pdxvme.pdx.csd.mot.com> donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton) writes:
>
>Long beach went from F1 to CART with virtually *no* loss of gate revenues,
>while cutting the sanction fees, purse, etc by a factor of 10.
>
I think the gate did drop. I remember hearing in '88 or '89 that the
attendance at the IndyCar race had finally topped the attendance at the
last F1 race. Now of course it is higher. Phoenix, of course, is another
matter. Why they (Phoenix and/or Bernie E.) thought they could make money
having an F1 race in a part of the country that has never heard of F1 (and
obviously didn't care about it), I'll never understand. Oh, I'm sure
Bernie made money off the deal, but the city took a bath ...

Jeff
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Subject: Re: Dan Drinan Update
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 05:55:08 GMT

Yeah, dad talked to some of Drinan's friend and echoed the same
sentiments; he said that the staff at St. John's were first class 
and that he was getting great care.

-- 
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Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
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From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Mansell stays with Williams for 93
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:11:07 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Hi there.

As the title says, Mansell has signed for Williams for the 1993 season. I
do not have the full details of the deal, but it is good news for me!  If
you saw my last posting on this subject, you will already know this, but I
said:

>What I want to know is, who is going to sign my fave man Little Al?  If
>he doesn't get a drive in 93, I may well have to take a sabbatical!  It isn't
>only Prost and Senna that can play at Prima Donnas - I will withdraw all
>my services to motorsport, and then you'd all be sorry, wouldn't you?  At
>the moment I can't really say too much, but negotiations are continuing.
>I think it is nothing short of scandalous that a British contender (me!) is 
>being treated in such a shabby way! (Now where have I heard *THAT* before?? :-)

I can exclusively reveal that the threat applied too much pressure on Frank
(Williams) and Bernard (Dudot), who realised that the consequences of not
yielding to my demands would be disastrous!  You see, I learnt all my
whinging tricks from the master of them all, our Nige himself, and don't I
do it well!! :-)

Seriously, I am very happy at this news, and when I have more details, I will
post them.  It does mean that there is now no chance in F1 for Little Al, 
but I can cope with that for another year, then I WILL go on strike if
nothing is done for him...

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re:    NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:44:49 GMT

From article <92252.072730BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>        Just read in this mornings paper that Bobby Allison
>        fired Hut shortly after the race on Sunday. There
>        will be a different driver behind the wheel on Saturday.
>        Bobby? Hope not.
 
According to the report in this morning's Anderson(SC) Independent-Mail, Hut
will drive the #22 Maxwell House Thunderbird for Junior Johnson next year,
with Sterling Marlin going to the Stavola brothers' #8 Snickers T-Bird.  I  
seem to recall reading recently that Snickers and Bobby Hillin were confirmed
with the Stavola team for two more years, but this report seems to leave Hillin
without a ride, at least for the moment.


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: percer@vf.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: '93 IndyCar Schedule - Houston date
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:04:49 GMT
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Flight Center

In article <7160516049270@c00569-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu>, jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:

>  5/ 2 - Houston
>  5/30 - Indianapolis
>  6/ 6 - Milwaukee
>  6/13 - Detroit

> AutoWeek notes that the early May Houston race will begin seven consecutive 
> weekends of activity through Detroit, including the two weekends of Indy
> qualifying.  AW also says that CART/IndyCar is considering making all but
> the two 500-mile races two-day events, with practice and qualifying on
> Saturday.

Just how firm is the Houston date??? I have not heard anything about this from
this local media here in Houston. Also where is this race going to be held?
There are some local streets that would make a pretty good circuit (for a
street course). 

	David Percer
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From: rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:22:03 GMT

Bush & the organizers started it back in July at Daytona.  Quayle was at
Talladega a few weeks later, and also at Darlington on Saturday.  Clinton
on Sunday.  OK, trivia fans, when King Richard won his last race in front
of President Reagan, was it an election year, too?? (that's the last time
I can remember anybody from high level office attending a race)

Russ Stauffer
From: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Patrese in the late 70s
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:03:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nicos@csa


 There was some discussion on the ESPN coverage of Monza about Patrese
being accused of "being dangerous to drive with" by some of the other
drivers. All this was done following the accident that lead to the death
of Roni Peterson, back in the late 70s. Patrese was eventually cleared by
the investigation that followed. Then David Hobbs said that the driver
that was most active against Patrese then, was probably more dangerous
than Patrese AND came to be World Champion a few years later.

 I guess I am too young to remember any of this, so if someone knows
who David Hobbs was referring to, and maybe some more details on the
whole issue...


 (As always I will summarize if there is some interest.)



Thanks,


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From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansel Retirement
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:35:45 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

>I didn't see a post race interview with Senna, but my respect for Senna
>(never very high--has nothing to do with his driving ability) dropped
>like a rock when I found out that Mansel would not be driving for
>Williams next year and that a big part of it was because of Senna's
>publicly blowing off at the mouth.  In the U.S., publicly interferring
>with another man's bargining process would be grounds for a lawsuit.

I really don't believe that Senna's statement influenced FW
decision. Mansel will not drive for Williams next year because FW does
not want to hire him again. He used Senna's statement as a bad excuse.
I think that even Mansel does not believe in FW excuses.


Maybe the reason of Mansel's retirement is that he is afraid of driving
against Prost. I think the man knows his limits better than anyone
else.

 
Gilberto
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Japaneese Sport Car Championship
Date: 6 Sep 1992 17:49:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone post a current update on this championship.
Also could someone post an update on the FIA World Sports Car
championship too.

Thanks.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:21:46 GMT

This is great stuff.  All the ramifications surrounding
Michael's venture into F1 next year is great food for a
radio talk show host.  Obviously the #1 topic on PITSTOP
last night, with lots of callers doing their own speculation.
Who will be Michael's Teammate?  Will Mike be the #1 driver?
Sponsorship?  Engines?  Will we now see another USGP?  Who
will go to Newman-Haas?  Etc, etc, etc.  Lordy.

Regarding his current IndyCar seat, and assuming Mario does
in fact drive in '93, I've already seen the most logical names
show up here on the net.  But I'll add another one, just for
the hell of it.

How's about Danny Sullivan?  Now, I don't know what kind of
contract he signed with Galles, but I don't think he's completely
satisfied with how things have been going for him this year.  To
my knowledge, he hasn't had any tiffs with Mario.  And, as I mentioned
here last week, Galles has signed on current IndyLights driver Adrian
Fernandez to be a test driver next year, with the possibility of doing
some races.  Now I wouldn't go as far as to say that Adrian is a 
sensation this year, but I would certainly put him on my own list of
possible 'big names' in motorsports within the next 5 years.

Or.....perhaps Scott Goodyear going to N-H?  Then, could Paul Tracy
take over the MacKenzie Ride.  Now, I know that Mr. Penske is really
high on Paul for the future, but will Roger field 3 cars next year
to accomodate Paul along with Emmo and Rick?

Or, with the help of Michael Kranefuss:  Robbie Gordon to N-H?

Here's my Wednesday hunches, all probably wrong:

Ganassi will go with Luyendyk and Gordon
Shierson/Patrick will pick up Cheever
Galles will stay with Unser and Sullivan
Bernstein will work with Pruett
Foyt will try another go with Jeff Andretti
Penske will be status quo, with Tracy running ovals and being on standby
again.
Newman-Haas???   Mario Andretti and ...... Fabi
And what about Dick Simon?  He'll probably go with the Fords next
year....

-c'ball-
From: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: CART in PA?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:05:23 GMT
Reply-To: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC

In rec.autos.sport, mike@msc.cornell.edu (Mike Heisler) writes:

>I am interested in going to the CART race on Oct. 4 in PA.  Anyone got
>a phone number or address to get ticket and schedule info?
>
>I noticed it is at Pennsylvania Inter. Raceway, is that formerly Pocono
>or is this another place?

I believe the Oct. 4 race will be run at Nazareth (Andrettiville?:-)
Pennsylvania.

If so, this is definitely not the same facility as the larger Pocono
International Raceway in Long Pond, PA. Besides, I think they stopped
running IndyCars at Pocono a year or so ago.

Sorry, I don't have a # for Nazareth. - Bill
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From: ssjijon@unity.ncsu.edu (Santiago S. Jijon)
Subject: F1
Keywords: Senna
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:51:18 GMT

I havent read anything about this "great" pilot.  I wonder if he's gonna have next year for free.  If somebody knows something, please notify.


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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" 
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:14:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154644.20908@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>
>I'm so tempted to say something snide... but I won't.
>
>But the fact is there are few tracks with as little margin for error,
>and as much emphasis on balls-to-the-walls driving and all-out speed,
>as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
>is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
>little margin for error.
>
  Monaco.

>With all due respect to Nelson Piquet, who certainly has earned his
>place in motor racing history as a World Champion, the mistake that
>put him into the wall (and Methodist Hospital) was due to
>unfamiliarity with the track and the conditions... in other words, a
>ROOKIE mistake.
>
  The big difference between Indy (and I am referring to the speedway,
not the series) and F1 in general is that mistakes by F1 drivers tend
not to maim and kill.
 
  Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS    |  Some people can tell what time it is by
  andy@cs.clemson.edu             |  looking at the Sun, but I have never been
  [dxandy@cs.widener.edu]         |  able to make out the numbers.
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From: tom@wc.msc.edu (Tom Kroeten)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge Question
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:57:43 GMT

In acle <1308@pdxvme.pdx.csd.mot.com> donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton) writes:
>In arcle <1992Sep2.115903.52324@gmuvax.gmu.edu> dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>>           Roberto Guerrero has qualified for the Marlboro
>>           Challenge because of his pole at Indy. Does
>>           anyone know who will provide him with a ride 
>>           for this race? 
>
>>           DAVE     dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu
>
>Rumor mill has International Harvester, Massey Fergusson, and John Deer
>all willing to provide him with a tractor for the event :-)
>

With co-sponsership from AAA. :-) :-)

-tom
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From: moretti@ferrari.stl.dec.com (john moretti)
Subject: Re: Spoilers as subject
Reply-To: moretti@redbck.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital  Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:26:16 GMT


--
Whats the latest word on the Ferrari engines for next year ?

Nice joke about the Hart engines by some turkey......a bit like IBM using
Macs for their mainframe usage.....hey , that might be a better machine.

I heard Mansell spat the dummy coz they wouldn't give him 5 million pounds
he must be feeling the hard times like the rest of us.

CRIM
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:57:22 GMT

We touched on this a bit last week, with the USA political
season in full swing (hah-and WE talk about silly-season!).

So now we have the candidates showing up at racetracks (like
Clinton at Darlington the other day).  But it really bothered
me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle button quite clearly
in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as much as the other
guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying thi
their political persuasion in front of the cameras.  And I also
wonder what the sponsors' stand is along these lines.  Is it just
me or is this bugging anybody else?

Along these lines, a funny one recently in Autoweek:  "Vice President
Dan Quayle, at Talladega where he was honorary starter for a Winston
Cup race: "I've attended the Indianapolis 500, that's Formula One, no
t stock cars, but the idea's the same."  What idea?  Infields full of
happy campers."

-c'ball-\

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From: carter@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: re: Mansell's mannerisms
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:47:52 GMT

 
   Much has been said in these discussions about Mr. Mansells rather
 unlovely mannerisms, probably more so than criticisms of his driving.
 I can only say-; thank goodness J. McEnroe stuck to tennis and Bobby
 Fischer plays chess.  The latters demands make our Nige's behaviour
 look entirely sane and rational. ;) 
  Dick
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Andretti, McLaren, Indianapolis, F1
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:46:27 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

Ron Dennis, at yesterday's press conference:

"I do think Michael will be seen in a McLaren at Indianapolis in the
near future.  Highly unlikely next year. If Michael asked to
participate in Indianapolis (in another car), we'd carefully consider
it."

And for those who fear that Ron might have lost his capacity for
clearheaded analysis (or, for that matter, have forgotten that the
proper plural of "Grand Prix" is "Grands Prix"):

"I think he can win Grand Prixs.  In the process of winning Grand
Prixs, I think he can become a world champion."

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
				- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX)
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:10:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep08.100538.8126@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au 
(Anthony Doig) writes:
>By the way, where was this announcement reported ?

It was reported in my local paper under a column listed as "from wire 
reports."  It said that McLaren has confirmed the signing, and that a formal 
announcement is expected Thursday (Sept. 10).  The one-year contract is 
reportedly worth $US5-10 million, based on performance.  McLaren also has the 
option of retaining Andretti for the 1994 season.  The report also said that 
Michael Andretti will make $US3 million this year as an IndyCar driver.

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From: u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More whining about F1 being international
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:00:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.152029.5881@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>> ...
>>After this years British GP Bernie Ecclestone made a statement along
>>the lines of "nowhere, except Monaco  has an absolute right to a GP."
>> ...

>Do you suppose that Bernie will dare to attend the race at Monza after
>making such a statement?  Has the Italian press picked this up??  Anyone
>residing in Italy in this group that can tell us???

>Dave Wilson
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just a question Dave,are you the ex-governor of HongKong?
(you have the same name as him :) )
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Armchair Drivers
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:53:32 GMT

Just a few thoughts --

Yes, I agree that most of us do not have the background to
criticize a driver's performance, but I don't think that should
preclude us from stating our opinions.  In fact, we mentioned
something to this effect on the show the other night.  Basically,
if we couldn't do so there would be no reason to stay on the air.
Or continue r.a.s.

You know, I suppose most of us grew up playing some sort of organized,
competitive sport (baseball, basketball, football, soccer, etc.).  The
traditional stuff.  Therefore, if we're discussing the performance of
Michael Jordan during the playoffs, well we at least have some sort of
feel for the game, but we never had the athletic ability that Michael
does.

Now on the other hand, how many of us were lucky enough to race karts
or 1/4 midgets or motorcycles as we were growing up?  My hunch is very,
very few in this forum.  Obviously, you couldn't play 'sand-lot' racing
(but we tried with our bicycles in my neighborhood, at least).  I guess
what I'm trying to get at here is that most of us have never really had
a true, racing experience of any sort.  Street driving doesn't count
here (though that could be argued to a degree).

Hope I'm making some sort of sense here.  Kinda' hard to put into words.

Now, with that thought in mind....did you see Stephans' BONEHEAD MOVE on
Rahal!!!   :-)

-c'ball-
(having some fun with the Volvo 850GLT.....)

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