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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What has Depeche Mode got to say?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:44:28 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu  writes:
> ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater) writes:
> > sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
> > 
> > >You leave out the one DM song that, more than Blasphemous
> > >Rumours, causes me to question their "harmlessness" and Martin
> > >Gore's supposed Christianity: "Personal Jesus."
> > 
> > >On one level, this song could be interpreted as an attack on
> > >the commercialization of Christ: an assault on the Robert
> > >Tiltons (the proximity of his name to my own makes me shudder)
> > >of the world, who promise a pipeline to God through them and
> > >such devices as "prayer cloths" and "love offerings" to the
> > >"ministry."
> > 
> > >But the song is never specific enough on this level. And the
> > >other interpretation of the song I've come up with -- an attack
> > >on the very idea that one can have a personal relationship with
> > >a Christ Who will answer prayers and take care of people who
> > >believe in Him -- is anti-Christian in the extreme, IMHO.
> > 
> > >Comments?
> 
> uh, sorry to burst the philosophical bubble, but Personal Jesus
> is about prostitutes. i read about it in a review with DM, & it's
> pretty obvious from the cover of the Personal Jesus single and the
> video. that said, i still think Violator is a great album... i just
> don't base my philosophy on it.
> 
> jason
> 
> --
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> `,` Democrat:    Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,`
> `,` Republican:  Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems.  `,`
> `,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems.        `,`
> `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`

No bubbles burst here.

It may be obvious from the video and the single cover, but I
haven't seen either of them. I was basing my interpretations on
what I thought *the song itself* was saying, not what Martin
Gore says it's about.

The responses I've received about my post have led me to
reexamine my interpretations of the song, and I must say I
stand by them. It *may* be a song about sex and/or
prostitution; it may just be my own obtuseness (obtusity?) but
I'm having a very hard time seeing it as such.

I'll be interested in conversing with anyone who disagrees with
me (amiably, of course) but if you want to respond to me,
please do so by e-mail, and I'll answer you when I get back
from Christmas break. Who knows, I may accept Personal Jesus
yet... :-)

Steve
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Reggae ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:16:42 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <Bz532o.FCo@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>, horst@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Horst Hogenkamp) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know of any christian reggae?
|> 

   As far as I know, Reggae is very strongly associated
with Rastafarianism (sp?) which is most certainly a non-
Christian cult.  I'm sure you're just wondering about
"Reggae-sounding" Christian music, though.  I don't suppose
having Christian Reggae would be any different than
Chistian heavy metal, however.  Most any musical form can
be used to glorify God IMHO.

-- Tim
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MOBY!!Who is?
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:45:29 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1T8uVB2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:
> YES, Moby IS a Christian.  It was confirmed tonight on the radio.  He 
> finds it hard making rave/techno music amongst non-Christians, especially 
> with this ecstasy culture drug involved with so much music.  Nice to 
> know he's a Christian..
>  
> Titan

        I'm on the edge of my naugahyde seet!  Who is Moby?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:10:17 GMT

In article <nestabro.723932257@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
writes:
>Doesn't this guy know not to leave his computer on at night when the 
>janitor hackers can get on?

Now, Noel, it's not nice to malign janitors that way!  You're painting with
an awfully broad brush there.

:^) :^) :^) :^)

			--Michael

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: janprzyb@scott.skidmore.edu (janine przybylinski)
Subject: Re: MOBY!!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:06:47 GMT

titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:
> YES, Moby IS a Christian.  It was confirmed tonight on the radio.  He 
> finds it hard making rave/techno music amongst non-Christians, especially 
> with this ecstasy culture drug involved with so much music.  Nice to 
> know he's a Christian..
>  
> Titan



Oooh!!!!  Tell me more.  I saw him last October, and let me tell you
what a cool show it was.  Where'd you hear this news?  By the way,
which label is it again that carries him?  (what are the other names
he's released under?  There are atleast 3--and I lost the paper with
the names on it...)

Rave on in Him,

Nin (neen)

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janprzyb@SCOTT.SKIDMORE.EDU                SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY 12866

"it DOES take two to make a thing go right, but the two I'M talking
about are you and CHRIST..."       D.T. TALK (semi-quote)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's Christmas albums: a comparison
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:02:05 GMT

In article <115620007@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> dclaar@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) writes:
>
>Anyway, I'm not saying Amy has sold out, nor do I want to start a flame
>fest.  Just making a comment...

Well...if all these fundamentalist jesusfreaks [not necessarily you] imply that Ms. Grant has sold out, well, that's just tough for them.  They are inconsequential, and the world is a better place when artists like AG spread their joy to a diffuse population.  [flame intended, but that's just me]

I say this not just because I am a huge amy fan, but also because I am a recovering jesusfreak.  Unlike Mr. Estabrook, I saw another light.



-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
        -leslie wintheiser                    |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bob@david.wheaton.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Mastedon: It's a Jungle Out There (CD)
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:49:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.225152.17582@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> zebra@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman) writes:
>	I mentioned to the store that there were others trying to order
>	the same CD and that they have been unlucky in getting it. I also
>	asked how many copies their distributor showed having in stock.
>	The lady told me that they have around 550 copies of that CD in
>	stock. She also told me that they order their CDs through:
>
>	Spring Arbor Distributors

yeesh, i don't like Spring Arbor that much...no demos.  ohh well.
[at least our church couldn't get ANY promo stuff.  not even for $$]

>
>	So, if any of you are still having trouble, try going back to
>	your store and see if they can get ahold of that Distributor.
>	If your store doesn't rocognize the name of that distributor,
>	then perhaps you can email me and I'll see if I can get an
>	address/phone number for them so your store can order it for 
>	you!

or you could just give True Tunes Etc a call...

these guys are way cool too!  they have just about anything you could want on
stock or quickly orderable...[usually on stock] 

True Tunes, Etc.   
210 West Front Street   
Wheaton, IL 60187
TEL: 1-800-669-TRUE
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bob@david.wheaton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Christian Reggae ?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:03:52 GMT

In article <Bz532o.FCo@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> horst@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Horst Hogenkamp) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any christian reggae?
>
>
>Please answer via e-mail, I will summarise.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Horst
>.


Sure do (thought I'd answer here for all to see): Christafari, a new band
on FMG, Christian reggae (dreadlocks and all).. they're from LA (when
they're not in Jamaica) and their debut album comes out in February...

Phil

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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Need music recommendations
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:59:40 GMT

Philip Nason Burt (burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec16.211911.7387@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
: >
: >Hello and happy holidays.  I need some recommendations on music to give
: >to a good friend of mine.  She is not a Christian, but is experiencing a
: >spiritual rebirth.  I'd like to help her on her journey by exposing her
: >to some good quality Christian music.  Her favorite style of music is
: >what I would call dance music.  I have no idea how to classify it better
: 
: Try something from the label "MYX".  It is very new stuff and it
: specializes in dance music.  If she is into the club scene, Scott
: Blackwel's "Walk on the Wild Side" is perfect.  If she is into "rave"
: try Jyradelix or DanceHouseChildren.

  Dance House Children isn't very ravey.. well, not by the standard we
have over here in Singapore.  Also, if you want to try DHC, then get the
newer release, the older one is slightly more boring.

: With this style of music (as with most), Christians are a little late
: on the scene and somewhat unoriginal.  The ones I have suggested are
: hopefully the most "authentic" dance beat makers out there.

   I have to agree with you on this, but then again, at least we've got
something similar to that...

   You could also try Real Love - Cindy Morgan (Word),
                      Street Called Straight - Street Called Straight
                                                   (Frontline).

   The 2 above titles are more dance-pop.  Or you could try Sounds of
Blackness (Perspective).

: later,
: phil
: 
: >Grace and peace,
: >
: >Paul
: >


Rodney Ho

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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Hymn Fake book. I found it!
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

>The Baptist Hymnal is available in arrangements for all orchestral instruments,
>plus a conductors score, PLUS a guitar edition.  The guitar addition is really
>a fake book...Melody line and chord chart.

Well Praise God!  Er uh, do you have a phone number, or mailing address, or
item #?

BTW, Kingsway who are advertising like crazy in christian publications
puts out a book Songs of Fellowship with 600+ songs including some fine
ol hymns.  Chords, treble and bass cleff.  ISBN 0-86065-935-6
If you can't find at your local book store write:
The Rainbox company
1 St. Anne's Road
Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 3UN

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From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Carman, and my new life 
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:54:32 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        I've learned my lesson!!!!!!!!
        
        A while back I made a tragic, and now I realize, all too foolish
mistake.  I presented an opinion that not only was unpopular, but required a
little bit of intelectual finese to fully grasp.  Because a group of people
chose to treat my statements as attacks, rather than an attempt at a more
usefull typology of musical value, I got my ass flamed off.
        Now I understand that they were right.  I was wrong to make these
statements.  From now on I will be a puppet of the big Nashville lables, and
simply repeat whatever I hear from my friends who subscribe to CCM.
        To start my reformed life, I'd like to suggest some new topics for the
newsgroup.

        1. Why is it that The Chior's lyrics are so hard to understand?  I
think they should write songs more like Bob Bennet does.
        2. Why does Micheal Card use such big words?
        3. Why did Amy Grant write that terrible little song "Faithless Heart?"
I know God would never let her be tempted like that.
        4. Finally, lets all compile a big list of Skinny Puppy and Venom fans
we want to take to Carman concerts the next time he comes to our home town. 
Boy Howdy! I'm just loving my new, reformed life already.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Petra/Metra
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:16:34 GMT

In article <1gip1iINNsao@agate.berkeley.edu>, c60b-1hy@web-1c.berkeley.edu (Albert Wu) writes:
>
>I don't know anything about concerts in that area.
>
>But I can tell you about their latest releases.  

	Thanks, guy, but I didn't need to know all that.  I agree with you,
Unseen is a sweet album.  One of my favorites by Petra.  As far as Petraphonics
goes, that one is a collection of all their mellow hits.  While that's cool, I
go in for stuff that rocks, you know?  Does anybody else out there have any
info?


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary)
Subject: An old favorite, slightly changed
Reply-To: gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:17:07 GMT

In article <11DEC199210293407@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>
>AlbSLyujwqNSpwnbgSOnaS  #$^$#%*&#$#%@!%#^#$%&$#^&*@^%@!#$^$#%&$#%&^@$%^@$%^$
>WwmPTnsOpbAHosTwnOQloL $          Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool          )
>GpqNWtrWwoJRhekugAMcyX ^      TLL6551@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU    TLL6551@TAMZEUS      &
>OwbEKqkTktRTYKDTVWQosI @----------------------------------------------------%
>WjeCMephgyGBzybhahsobJ *    "Who do you think started Christian rock? I     *
>PnsWOPBHWPBNAHEAJBNbyW !   did!" -Lew Siffer ("Green Angels" Chick Tract)   @
>XwqZOJbypanenbabshabwD  #$%^&$%^*#$^!#$&^$#*%$^&!#%&^(V4.0)%*$#$@%^@@#$^@#%^

Which by the secret-sig magic decoder ring becomes...



X  XX     XX     XX  X  #$^$#%*&#$#%@!%#^#$%&$#^&*@^%@!#$^$#%&$#%&^@$%^@$%^$
X  XX  X  XX  X  XX  X $          Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool          )
X  XX  X  XX     XX  X ^      TLL6551@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU    TLL6551@TAMZEUS      &
X  XX  X  XXXXXXXXX  X @----------------------------------------------------%
X  XX     XX         X *    "Who do you think started Christian rock? I     *
X  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  X !   did!" -Lew Siffer ("Green Angels" Chick Tract)   @
X  XXX               X  #$%^&$%^*#$^!#$&^$#*%$^&!#%&^(V4.0)%*$#$@%^@@#$^@#%^

I liked his old way of hidding the message "fool" better. This one is not 
as intutive to decode, nor as immediate in the "jokes on you" response.

I also would have done something with the cntl-X

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From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike (Beaker) Krupicka)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: pray naked
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:08:59 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel) writes:
> If Christian doesn't give you your True News back, I can get one for
> you.  Just let me know, then come see FAREWELL TO JULIET and ANIMATOR
> on FRIDAY DEC 7 at MABEL's!!!! I'll give it to you at the show.
Correction: Friday Dec. 18. What does he know. He only plays guitar. :)

As a dog returns to his vomit, so does a fool to his folly. -- Solomon
From: FELSKE@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA (FELSKE, WAYNE W.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madonna???
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:11:01 GMT
Organization: TRI-UNIVERSITY MESON FACILITY
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In <1992Dec15.100813.6300@sei.cmu.edu> tef@sei.cmu.edu writes:

> 
> |> 	Look - Mariah Carey CAN sing.  Whitney Houston can sing.  Those
> |> dudes from Boys 2 Men can sing.  And the list goes on......
> |> 
 
> Speaking about Mariah Carey, her song "Make It Happen" is a powerful testimony
> of how the Lord helped her in her career.  Her musical career first started in
> gospel singing.

	I would say a good proportion of todays successful singers when asked
when they started singing respond that they sang in the church choir or they 
sang  gospel. It is too bad so many leave it behind
Wayne
 
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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Tonio K. (was Re: Favorite music in 1992 - an objective measure)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:16:27 GMT

In article <uscream.724401921@mcl> uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:
>
>
>Andy Whitman:
>
>What is offensive about Tonio K. Notes from the Lost Civ.  I really like
>that album.  But then again, I could swear that I hear Romeo Loves Jane
>on KROQ (A way secular once alternative station.)  I always thought that
>Tonio K. was really good at dealing with the realities and confusions of
>life, finding love and losing love.  Love is a major theme.  The
>Executioners Song is an almost funny account of satan on the rampage.
>I mean the lyrics talk about the monster stepping out of the garden,
>straightening his tie, grabbing a hat (he wore hats) and singing
>I'm gonna ruin this place... He took a joI'm gonna ruin this place, I'm gonna ruin these people.  He took a job in the city and sold TVs, cd,etc.
>He sold images and information, he sold arms and ammunition.  Every
>body loved him.  The people were dying for love...

Umm, Screamin' D., the album I was referring to was "Life in the
Foodchain," Tonio's first album.  Why is it offensive?  Well, it's 
basically a forty-minute rant against women, God, America, women, 
capitalism, religion, and women.  It's got some nice, choice four-
letter words that most folks on this newsgroup are not going to 
want to pay money to hear.  And it's totally despairing.  Imagine the 
same cynical wit that you hear on the albums you like, but imagine it 
about ten times nastier and directly trained on different people. It 
makes "Romeo Unchained" and "Notes from the Lost Civilization" sound 
like John Denver by comparison.  

I also think it's quite an amazing picture of man without Christ, and
given the darkness and despair I hear there, I think the ensuing 
albums (after he came to the Lord) are all the more remarkable.
I like Tonio - a lot.  I plug him here all the time.  And I even
like some things about "Life in the Foodchain."  But it's not by
any stretch of the imagination an album that was made by a Christian,
and I'm just pointing that out.  

>So, he was produced by T-Bone Burnett who caused the fall of Leslie
>Phillips (from what I hear), and it claims alot of sadness, etc.
>Why is that offensive??  It's got alot of truth.

I think we're agreeing here.  I don't find "Notes . . ." to be an
offensive album, nor do I normally find Tonio to be offensive.  I think 
he's a wonderful songwriter.  I don't find Leslie/Sam to be offensive.  
I don't find T-Bone to be offensive.  These folks are some of my favorite
musicians.  I *do* find "Life in the Foodchain" to be offensive,
however.  And that's all I was saying in my previous posting. 

>Anyway...The earth is hard, the treasure fine--Adam Again
>
>uscream@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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