HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ajaffe@amiganet.chi.il.us (Adi Jaffe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: News of new Amiga hardware SHIPPING TODAY!
Date: 4 Apr 92 03:05:14 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <kdarling.702163488@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>,
kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>David Tiberio writes:
>>   Commodore has also released a CD-ROM system based on A500 technology. [..]
>> The system is named the 1000, which is NOT the same as the original Amiga
>> 1000 of 1985. The newer 1000 also incorporates a cartridge slot similar
>> to that of the recently announced A600, and the newer 1000 also includes
>> an internal video slot! It has a detachable keyboard [...] 
>< And best of all, it will be selling for under $900!  [...]
>>   This system is Commodore's entry into the CD based Multimedia market;
>> although it is in many ways similar to the MPC Multimedia machines, the
>> 1000 is a machine of a different kind!
> 
>Not only that, but this 1000 has something colorful in common with the NeXT!
>
>> [...] I was unable to find out what a fourth mysterious system would be.
>
>Rumors are that it'll be a device to allow Amiga 500's to become compatible
>with that new 1000 model.  I heard that it has something to do with a laser!
>
>kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>




Hmm... Say kids, does anyone remember back when that  Workbench 2.1 Update
Text file was floating around stating that Prefs/Colors was revamped to allow
usage of the "color guns"?




Well, shiver me timbers.. Is that it?
Arc
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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:48:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <7433@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>>	(for the record, I also only have a A1000 from the 85/86 days)
>>
>>	And I can honestly say that there are almost no programs that
>>make use of any feature I don't have.
>>
>>	Yeah - here's something to be proud of! ( 1/2 :-) )
>
>Um... let's see here, i'll start naming them off the top of my head.
>
>ProVideo Post (requires 1 meg chip ram)

	Ok. 

>Duluxe Paint (uses extra halfbrite)

	I have that.

>Prowrite 3.2 (has 256 color modes)

	Show me an amiga without an add on that has a 256 color mode.

>Art Department Pro (has 256 color, Ham8, and other modes)

	Ditto.

>Scala (uses 1280x200/400 modes and productivity modes i believe)

	Ok.

>Deluxe Paint IV (has 256 color, Ham8 and other modes)

	Ditto.

>The countless number of PD, Shareware and Commercial programs that are either
>2.0 ONLY or have extended features under 2.0 such as

	Many of that is software stuff. And I can run 2.0




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From: w8ts@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (M Crevatin AMIGA #1)
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:24:08 GMT

In article <4418.1104921739@brewhq.swb.de> CB@brewhq.swb.de (Christian Balzer) writes:
>[Note Followup-To line]
> 
>Take this thread to never-never land, or at least comp.sys.amiga.advocacy...
>
>Thanks,
>

here here....no need for crap like this in a serious newsgroup, leave the petty opinions in advocacy, we don't want nor require them here....

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: *** ULTIMATE BASHING for PeeCee Users
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:37:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr7.143720.16255
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: >And we have Compugraphic scalable fonts.  Adobe may (_may_) be better, but
: >there's not much in it.
: >
: 
: Are these part of the OS?

(Knock, knock) McFly?  ;)  Yup.  As of 2.0, CompuGraphic Outline Font
Technology is standard.  And they're pur-ty.  ;)

: No.  I wasn't complaining about anything.  Please read the articles you're
: following up.  I was just trying to explain why OS/2 takes up more memory
: than ADOS -- it has more features.

Doesn't OS-9 have MP and VM?  I believe it has MP, and it definitely
doesn't require several megabytes...

Greg
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re:  Considering switching to IBM
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:25:56 GMT

dac@dacami.UUCP (David Culberson) writes:
>>
>>Then I guess my multitasking of 5 DOS apps, each running in V86 mode (under
>>OS/2 2.0), is just an illusion?
>
>  You took his post ouut of context.  Not a wise move.  He said  "...you
>can't use several programs that run in V8086 mode together."  What he
>meant was there aare *some* programs that will not run together in V8086
>modes.  Not that you can't run more than one program together under V8086
>mode.
>

I don't think that's what he meant at all, and I stand by my comments.
Whatever he meant, it was obvious that he had no idea what he was babbling
about.

>>
>>I wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen an Amiga user scream,
>>"I *hate* these games that take over the machine!".
>
>  Games require a *lot* of processing power.  They use every feature of 
>the computer, most of the time.  Ever try to multitask, say, a terminal
>program and, say, Gunship under your beloved OS/2 2.0?
>

In OS/2 (all versions), a game may give itself high priority, but it
cannot take over the machine.  OS/2 is a protected system.

>		-David
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From: hgm@unity.ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Mindlight Is QOOL
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:08:33 GMT
Organization: NCSU Computing Center

In article <1992Apr13.182400.28413@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>........................ But what I really like about my
>Amiga is my Visual Aurals Mindlight.  People love and are amazed by this
>stupid thing.  Very frequently I get asked if it is available for any other
>computer.  Too bad it isn't available for the Amiga anymore.
>

Yes, it is too bad, especially since I've been trying to track one down for
the last year or so. If anyone has one that they don't need anymore, drop me
a line. 

--hal

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From: justin@graphlab.cc.uky.edu  (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re:  Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:01:12 GMT
X-Bytes: 

Philip McDunnough writes
> Let's see re Word 5.0 . How does it deal with equation numbering? Will it
> update the numbers and the references to them in text? What about references,
> bibliography,...I'm not convinced. There are many people who have Word
> around here, and WordPerfect 5.1, and Ami Pro, etc...They all think it will
> do the job, but in the final analysis it just doesn't. At the very least 
> you should have mentioned MathWriter Pro on the Mac, as it has a chance.

Yes, it will.. It has hot links, publish & subscribe, etc. It will update  
references and numbers in the text without any trouble. Bear in mind though,  
that Word 5 is only about a month old. Word 4 is a whole other world, really,  
so any Word users you see now probably use 4.
 
> The reason for the AMS using TeX is not at all what you state. There is a
> well developed sett of macros for TeX (AMSTeX and many others). TeX is a
> typesetting language which speeds up the time from submission to 
> publication. Just give me a few references which have been typed in Word. I
> really think you are underestimating the difficulty of typing out a 
> mathematical document.

Not so.. You are underestimating the sophistication of modern software.  
Honestly. Not just with the Mac, either, but to cite Mac applications as an  
example.. The latest versions of many Mac programs outclass the versions just  
before them by several orders of magnitude. With Word 4, you would have a hard  
time doing references and bibliographies, and it would be almost impossible to  
do formulas and equations (you can, but the results are not at all impressive).  
With Word 5, all of this has changed.

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From: s082@ii.uib.no (Ketil Malde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:44:13 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen

In article <1992Apr6.221833.19914@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

 ; I wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen an Amiga user scream,
 ; "I *hate* these games that take over the machine!".

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've wanted to throw an MS-DOS machine
out the window.  The Amiga OS has its limitations, but it's way ahead of
MS-dos.  I've never really bothered with windows, the little I've seen has
mainly been a pain in a low place, anyway.

I hear OS2 is a decent OS, but haven't had a first hand look at it (has
anybody?)  I guess Windows ensures that no-one will convert to it, anyway
("Why convert to another os, when I can point-and-click in the old one?"),
so I guess it'll be UNIX forever :-)

    ; Ketil Malde,           In real life: s082@ii.uib.no +
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 040 and 486_ (bunch O' Kaka anyway)
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:23:46 PST
 <1992Apr12.215857.2813@ctr.columbia.edu> <1992Apr13.002739.54402@cc.usu.edu> 
 <1992Apr13.190041.16557@ctr.columbia.edu> 
 <1992Apr13.231232.12366@ra.msstate.edu> <mykes.2757@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> 
 <1992Apr14.1 <mykes.2797@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> 
 <1992Apr15.150138.21016@ctr.columbia.edu> <mykes.2903@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG><1992Apr16.144345.10264@ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Apr16.144345.10264@ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> Dr. Kittel did exactly what you've been accusing me of (posting articles
> without facts).  Yet you think it's OK for *you* to make rude comments

    It was "posting an article stating personal observed experience". Once
    again people jump to deny experience.

> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas as Real Computer
Date: 4 Apr 92 18:41:51 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Apr1.155458.146@cco.caltech.edu>, andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
|> 	Just hope that your Amiga never breaks down.  Commodore seems
|> incredibly myopic towards people opening up their computer and
|> installing anything.  I'd say a real workstation is the way to go
|> if want service.  Of the times we've had to call, say SGI and
|> Commodore, SGI was faster in responding and much more professional
|> in its attitude towards us.
|> 
	SGI better damn well respond quickly for the amount of money
	they are being paid by your U for support. Compare the $$$$ being paid
	to SGI and the $$$$ being paid to C= and I think you'll see
	why SGI is a tad more responsive.

|> 	Yes, spare me the talk on how Gold Service is free and you have
|> to pay for SGI service -- I don't care because you can't buy any
|> better service than Gold Service from Commodore.  Yes, I'm writing
|> this because I've just recently had a bad experience with Commodore.
|> Too bad a decent computer like the Amiga has to be hindered by
|> stupid administration.
|> 
	MY point is that your U is paying through the nose for SGI, DEC, SUN,
	IBM, etc. support. Which is great when the tax payers of your state
	are doing it for you but NOT so great when you work for a private
	company and have to tell the boss why these wonderful cheep workstations
	cost so many thousands of dollars a year for support or worse, have to
	pay it out of YOUR OWN pocket because it's your personal system.

	Get some perspective guy. Gold Service is for personal systems, not
	commercial or academic class service contracts with on site hot
	spares and 24 hour a day honeywell/DEC/IBM/NCR/whomever on call
	techs who know nothing more about the system than swapping cards
	or motherboards.

	With my C= system my DEALER is supposed to be supporting me, not
	C= per say. My DEALER does support me well although others can't
	say that. My DEALER is the one that has the parts and does the
	service under warantee unless my Gold Service covers it.

	Take your SGI home, DON'T pay for a service contract and when it
	blows up come talk to me about how C= is such a rip off and SGI
	is so wonderful. I'll still have my pocketbook and bank account which
	is more than you could say under those conditions. Same with Sun, DEC
	or IBM systems that are personally owned and not part of commercial
	or institutional service contract.

		-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac & IBM advocates read this!
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:09:50 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls) writes:
>
>>Mac & IBM advocates:
>
>>Just out of curiosity, what other newsgroups do you guys read?


	All of the amiga (I own one), most of the msdos (have one) and
the unix stuff (have one).

	Do I pass ?


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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:37:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr11.022805.9281@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>And this is off the top of my head.  Most of these are MAJOR apps too.
>
>Curious.  How do you know his A1000 does not have these features?  There are
>many upgrade paths for the A1000, including replacing its motherboard with
>an A2000-type board.
>
>-- Gerald


	No, he is right. I was a little rash I think. My stock A1000
MB lacks 2.0, and it lacks the new chipset.

	I was thinking of fundemental changes - (better graphics modes
as opposed to the nifty hacks of productivity etc, memory protection,
VM etc.)

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From: lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 040 and 486 and nap42487 knows nothing about CPUs.
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:57:46 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Apr13.013203.13300@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:
> 
>   The only way to truly compare chips is by their instruction timings.
> The benchmark method doesn't compare chips, it compares chips, compilers,
> and system design.

One can also consider about copyback mode and cache hit rate (but then again
one has to consider busses, memory speed etc....), so looking at these two
things makes thing more complicated and should be used with great care. Also
one could check on which chip pipeline stalls more easily etc.

>   BTW, the 040 isn't supported well by current compilers. Most 040 code is
> compiled by 68020 compilers, however, the 040 needs pipelining optimizations
> like RISC chips, therefore the 040 benchmarks are even further skewed.

This is very true. And in Amigaworld the situation is often even more worse as
benchmarks are often also compiled to 68000-code.

--
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lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
From: mx8@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A2065/AS225 works with Slingshot!
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:12:45 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University



    The A2065/AS225 Ethernet system from Commodore works just fine on an A500
with Slingshot, a low-cost A2000 adapter ($40).  It also works when Slingshot
is plugged into the bus pass-through of a Supra 500XP.  The power of networking
(Amiga networking) is now available to all Amigas.  A base 500 with the
A2065/AS225 may be the cheapest way to network in the entire computer market.

     Many thanks to Micro R&D and Industrial Color Labs for making this test
possible.

     Eric Beyer, Cornell University

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.29 4/10/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:58:05 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Apr11.182202.28777@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>>>    And look at the speed comparisons of a A3000 w/68040 to a 486.. The 40
>>>>> wins.. But as stated above, with the Amiga, its not JUST the processor that
>>>>> does all the work...
>>>>
>>>>	Plus the 486 system is a heck of a lot less expensive then an 040
>>>>  based A3000. 
>>>
>>>If you are going to get an 040 board, you might as well get an A2000.  This
>>>is much cheaper, plus it can use a Video Toaster.
>>>
>>
>>The A2000 only has a Zorro II bus, which makes the A3000 more worthwhile.
>
>Yes, but is not Zorro II the equivalent of ISA, and Zorro III the equivalent
>of EISA, roughly speaking?  There is a price difference between ISA and EISA
>486 systems I believe.  Of course, the A3000 is a better machine than the
>A2000, but, for some reason, we are comparing Amigas to Intel PCs, not Amigas
>to Amigas.

I only responded to the "If you are going to get an 040 board...".  There are
two reasons, in my opinion, to buy an A2000.  1)  If you want/need a video toaster.
2) If you want/need to run a bridgeboard.

I would like to note that the toaster can be installed in the A3000, but it 
requires surgery.  Also, the bridgeboard adds quite a load on your CPU, since
it has to poll the 8088 to see if the CGA screen memory has changed.  Also,
having the bridgeboard use the Amiga's HD slows things down even more.  You
are better off getting a cheapo clown machine if you NEED SOD.

The A3000 features the enhanced chipset, which the A2000 doesn't (maybe you
can get chip upgrades).  Even then, the A2000 won't support more than 1MB
of CHIP RAM, while the A3000 gives you 2MB.  The A3000 also gives you 32-bit
wide CHIP RAM, which is a big win if you have the CPU accessing the CHIP
RAM in your programs.

I use 2 25MHz A3000 and 1 16MHz one.  The difference between 25MHz and 16MHz
is not huge enough to warrant purchasing the faster machine, especially if 
you intend to get the 040.

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and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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