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From: misha@humus.cs.huji.ac.il (Michael Pak)
Subject: Vienna Philharmonic info request
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:08:23

Hi there.

   I am going to visit Vienna in September, and, of course, would very much
like to listen to a VPO concert. Unfortunately, I've heard that the VPO is now
on a world tour celebrating its 150th anniversary, so I'd like to know if there
is any chance of hearing them in September in Vienna... 

   In any case, does any one reading this article in Vienna knows VPO's
offices phone numbers? 

Thanks a lot,
Misha.

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From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Haydn conducting for Beethoven?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205418.14978@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, carnes@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Carnes) writes:
> The Lockwood volume also includes Sieghard Brandenburg's article that
> argues fairly conclusively that Beethoven intended the Scherzo of the
> Fifth Symphony to be in ABABA form rather than ABA.  This article
> appeared in 1984; let's see how long it takes for conductors to hear
> the news.

Norrington has already heard it, if his (1989?) recording is any
guide. Gave me quite a start the first time I heard it, I can tell
you. Would have confused Helen Schlegel no end.
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: minimalism
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:44:59 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Distribution: na
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

Or, as I once explained to my wife [who seems pretty good at telling 
the difference - or *was* before she started writing her tenure book],

Glass arpeggiates
Reich hockets
Adams throbs

--
All the more beautiful in the concert hall with people in their fine clothes and
yourself in the same place as the original music. The rest, I imagine, must be 
like the sound of a radio orchestra in the 1940s, Europe fiddling beneath the 
darkness and abandoned capital cities leaning into the sound as it becomes noise
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: thomast@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Thomas Kaeppel Tsukada)
Subject: Re: 20th c. "teaching pieces" for piano
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.074943.8819@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00hfstahlke@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>As a relatively new reader, I'm going to take the risk of posting a query here
>that's on a somewhat different thread from what I've been reading--with much
>pleasure, I might add.  After thirty years away from it, I've gotten back to
>piano-playing, much more for the pleasure of it than when I was a teenager. 
>I've been looking around for twentieth-century counterparts to the "teaching
>pieces of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, things like Bach's Two and
>Three-part Inventions or the sonatinas of Kuhlau, Reinecke, Spindler, and the
>like.  I found Bartok's _Mikrokosmos_, the Kabalevsky sonatina's, some rather
>nice things by Nielsen, and a collection or two, including one of rather easy
>pieces put together by Agay.  I would be very grateful if someone could
>recommend other works and composers, including things from atonal, minimalist,
>and American post-romantic schools. 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Herb Stahlke
>Ball State University
>00hfstahlke@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

I've been wondering the same thing.  I don't play the piano very well,
but I've always wanted to be able to play something from this century.
20th century piano pieces which I've found "playable" (or almost "playable")
include some of Schoenberg's Six Little Pieces for Piano, Poulenc's
Mouvements Perpetuals and Suite Francaise, Vincent Persichetti's Sonatinas,
and William Schuman's Three Score Set.  Some of the pieces in Hindemith's
Ludas Tonalis are easier than others, as are some of Shostakovich's
Preludes and Fugues.  Also, I saw in an anthology a couple pieces from
Luigi Dallapiccola's "Quaderna Musicale di Annalibera", which I guess
is a set of twelve-tone pieces for the piano novice.  I'd certainly be
happy to hear about and try other "easy" 20th century piano pieces.

As for minimalist pieces, why not just write your own?  Sure, it would
be derivitive, but it could still be  enjoyable to play it.

-Tom Tsukada
 Real-Time Computing Lab
 University of Michigan
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: ak835@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Burns)
Subject: Re: Need name of guitar composer/performer
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:58:47 GMT


The names of the guitarists in question are Sergio Assad and his
brother Odair Assad.  They are Brazilians and have issued recordings
on the Nonesuch label.
-- 
Michael P. Burns

ak835@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Dunbar Aldrich-Moodie)
Subject: Re: Ravel
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.050624.26362@Princeton.EDU> mikulska@astro.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska) writes:
>
>These are two of three cantatas which Ravel submitted in three
>consecutive years as attempts to obtain the Prix de Rome - an award
>granted surprisingly often to composers whose names immediately fell
>into total oblivion.  He tried four times (1900-1903), and failed each 
>time.

Fair enough -- but besides Ravel, didn't just about every other major French
composer win the Prix de Rome.  (For some reason I think perhaps Berlioz 
didn't win it either -- but maybe I'm mistaking him with Saint-Saens).  Does
anyone know where one can find a list of the Prix de Rome winners listed
by year?

Also -- even if it is something of a joke, the Prix de Rome is responsible for
La Damoiselle Elue, Cleopatre, Ophelie, and several other pretty good 
cantatas which might never have been written.

Just my $.02,

James


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban)
Subject: Reproducing Pianos - Anyone?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 23 JUL 92 18:03:33 PST


I'm looking for any Duo-Art/Ampico/Welte/whatever lovers who would like
to either start a newgroup or correspond via E-mail.

Send me mail!

-Ed

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,rec.music.early
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Liszt Dante Symphony
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:09:18 EDT
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Jul20.203523.8999@Princeton.EDU>
mikulska@crux.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska) writes:
:In article <1992Jul20.150214.13985@husc3.harvard.edu>
:elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) writes:
:>Margaret:
:>>The other one of Liszt's symphonies, Dante Symphony, has a female chorus
:>>singing the famous inscription from the Gate of Hell in 'Inferno': "Per 
:>>me si va ne la citta` dolente ... Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch'intrate".
:>
:>Um, I sang in the chorus for the Dante Symphony back in my treble days,
>>and we only came in at the end of the Purgatorio movement, on the Magnificat
:>text.  Looking up the score, I do see that Infernal inscription over the
:>opening recitative of low strings and brass, but (like the "Lebewohl" of
:>the Beethoven piano sonata) it's not meant to be actually sung by anybody;
:>I guess one is supposed to imagine the instruments themselves intoning
:>Dante's warning.
:
:Since you looked up the score, you're probably right.  I wrote this from 
:15-20 years old memory - I remembered there was a chorus, and I remembered
:the quotation from Dante.  (I suppose I listened to the Symphony with the 
:score.)  I would swear the chorus sang the quotation from 'Inferno', but
:apparently something got mixed up in my mind.  Probably a parity error - 
:even memory chips eventually deteriorate :-).

I suppose the conductor could have told the chorus to join the orchestra
for these four lines, even though it's not marked in the score --- the
range of C# to E, transposed up an octave from the strings and brass,
would fit the women's chorus comfortably.  Do you perhaps remember which
recording or conductor this was?

And next time the "take five" thread comes up, we can add the Dante
Symphony to the list: the Inferno movement contains both a 5/4 and a 7/4 theme.

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Department of Mathematics, Harvard University
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Operas Wanted
Summary: Swan's Tolkien cycle
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:53:08 GMT

In article <3534@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
writes:

>
>Donald Swan also set Tolkien's cycle of poems The Road, which were based
>on his Middle Earth mythos, to music. I actually heard him perform it in
>St Cross chapel in Oxford in the misty past when I was an undergraduate. I suspect this is the only time I'll ever
>hear Elvish sung (or spoken for that matter) I thought it sounded rather
>beautiful, a little like Welsh. We also got snatches of Perelandra. I'd
>like to get hold of a recording of either (or both!) does any one have a
>clue if such things exist?

I don't know about a recording, but Swan's Tolkien cycle is available
as a book.  I hope it isn't out of print; I think my copy got left
behind when I separated from my XYL in 1984 (:-(

The music is really beautiful, and the entire book is meant to be sung
straight through as a song cycle.  Only one or two of the songs are in
elvish, the rest in the Queen's English.

Get it if you can.
-- 

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From: colby@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Colby Leider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Faure Melodies & Requiem
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:44:10 GMT
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin

korkosz@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Richard Korkosz) writes:

>Hello folks, 

>	I just picked up the EMI 4CD box set of Faure Melodies with 
>Elly Ameling (sop), Gerard Souzay (bar), and Dalton Baldwin (pno).  Since I 
>do not know French, I was disappointed to find that English translations of 
>the lyrics were not provided.  Does anyone know if any English translations 
>are available, and if so, can you please list a source(s)?  If this doesn't 
>pan out, I guess I have a good excuse to learn some French :)

>	Also, I am interested in hearing recommendations for recordings of 
>Faures' Requiem.  I have the Rutter, et. al. performance on Collegium, which 
>is a "lightly" scored version.  I like this performance very much (as well 
>as the rest of the music on the CD, which is excellent IMHO), but would still 
>like to try a different interpretation of the Requiem.  Anyone have any 
>favorites?

>	Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

>Rick Korkosz
>korkosz@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu
>Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


I recommend the Telarc recording with Robert Shaw and the Atlanto S.O. & Chorus.
The performance is wonderful, although I wish it weren't so muddy.
...Not that the performance per se is muddy, but the recording is a bit.

It comes with the Durufle' Requiem <hold me back...my favorite!!>.

colby leider
colby@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu

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From: bob.ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Good version of 'The planets' by Holst?
Reply-To: bob.ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:03:06 GMT

In article 12475@phillip.edu.au, t8800568@phillip.edu.au () writes:
>Hello there.
>
>This question might well have been answered recently in an FAQ or 
>otherwise, but could some kind sole recommend a version of 'The Planets'
>by Holst?  I really want a copy, but there are so many versions of
>this particular piece, that I dont want to be stuck with a dud.
>
>thanks!

I will concur on the Dutoit/Montreal CD ... it has the organ. which really
makes a difference for "Mars" and "Uranus".

This is a London Compact Disc, Catalog Number 417 553-2.  I ordered it via
the BMG Classical Music Service, and that number is D115448

An excellent recording ...


Bob

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From: hhh@basil.lcs.mit.edu (Henry Houh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Male harpists, harp mailing list
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:00:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: basil.HHH.92Jul25150032
Organization: /home/tb/hhh/.organization


About a week and a half ago, someone was following up to the "I hate
it when," thread under "sight reading," and they mentioned the fact
that there are very few male harpists.

Anyway, I had followed up to it then, but my note must have gotten
lost somewhere.  So, I will repeat (sorry if it's actually been posted
already) the message.

I think the ratio for classical (pedal) harpists must be something
like 20:1 or greater, but I think there are many more male folk
harpers.

If anyone is interested, there is a harp mailing list - there are many
harpers, harpists, and people who are interested in harp on it, male
and female.  If you would like to subscribe to the folk mailing list,
just send mail to:  

harp-request@athena.mit.edu

Please specify if you would like regular or digest format.  Or, if you
are just curious, and would like a copy of the harp list FAQ, with
harp sources, kit sources, music sources, etc, just email me:

hhh@basil.lcs.mit.edu

Thanks!

Henry
From: mccomt@aix.rpi.edu (Todd M. Mccomb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: 20th c. "teaching pieces" for piano
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:10:25 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

Tournemire: Etudes de chaque jour (op. 70; 1935-36)

T. M. McComb
From: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Bob Kosovsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Piece by Ben Franklin?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:05:11 GMT
Reply-To: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036

In article <148ba4INNns1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>Somewhere the other day I heard or read of a pice (string quartet?)
>written by Ben Franklin, a.k.a. Poor Richard.  Can anyone identify it?

Permit me to quote the following paragraph frothe New Grove Dictionary of
American Music, under the article Benjamin Franklin (v.2, p. 164):

"A string quartet in manuscript bearing [Franklin's] name as the composer
is in the Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris.  This quartet is the second of two
composer for three violins and cello, all employing scordatura [retuning of
the strings] and performed on open strings only; copies of both quartets
(with minute notational and rhythmical differences) have been discovered in
Prague bearing Ignace Pleyel's name as the composer, in Vienna with Giovanni
Ferrandini as composer, in Zittau with Joseph Haydn as composer, and in
Goettweig with no composer named.  Arguments supporting (Grenander) and
doubting (Marrocco) Franklin's authorship have been presented."

The two articles referred to are:
W.T. Marrocco:  "The String Quartet Attributed to Benjamin Franklin" in:
  Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, 116 (1972), 477.
M.E. Grenander:  "Reflections on the String Quartet(s) attributed to
  Franklin" in:  American Quarterly 27 (1975), 73.

>Also the other night the local classical station played a composition
>by Nietzche, the philosopher.

Yes, in fact there is a volume called "Der musikalische Nachlass Friedrich 
Nietzche" - a substantial 314 pages of all sorts of musical compositions:
songs, piano solo & 4 hands, choral, instrumental (incl. symphonic works).

Would you believe there is also a set of volumes devoted to the musical
works of the philosopher Theodor Wiesengrund Adorno?  But in fact, history
reveals many people whom we normally pigeon-hole as being non-musicians
(Henry VIII, Sidney Lanier, Frederick the Great, Marie Antoinette, etc.)
actually composed a bit.  In most cases we shouldn't expect revelations
from this sort of thing (after all, it was a time were everyone above a
certain class was expected to know and be conversant with music).
Nevertheless, the knowledge of such efforts afford us at least a curiosity,
and tells us something about the influence of music in earlier times.

Bob Kosovsky
Graduate Center -- Ph.D. Program in Music(student)/ City University of New York
New York Public Library -- Music Division
bitnet:   kos@cunyvms1.bitnet        internet: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Disclaimer:  My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my institutions.
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Wagner's Ring: audio/video recordings
From: Ken Sherrill <KSSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 16:09:17 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I saw the Clemens Krauss Ring recently at Tower records. I've only heard the
Walkure -- which is great. In the first act, Vinay enters sounding like an
exhausted hero. He sings wonderfully throughout and creates the most detailed
characterization of Siegmund I've ever heard. Regina Resnik's Sieglinde is an
extraordinary depiction of terror, fright and neurosis -- as well as being well
sung. You also get Josef Greindel, Hans Hotter and Astrid Varnay in their prime

If the whole Ring is on a par with the Walkure, run to get this performance.
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Records to die of
Organization: pubs
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:03:23 CDT

Steve Apter writes:

   So what are the worst records ever made ... ("Records to die of"?)

I described this one another time.  It's a Vox recording of Handel's
Water Music that was an early (mid 50s) attempt at authentic performance
practice.  A number of reputable musicians were involved, but they
apparently thought they could adapt to old instruments on the spot.  The
result is one of my family's favorite comedy albums.  Vox was apparently
nervous about this one, because the jacket contains a couple of
disclaimers.

Chris Brewster
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: minimalism
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:01:15 GMT

In article <2A6DC103.8483@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.190952.12885@fid.morgan.com> steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter) writes:

I said:		music and cookies are different.

John said:  	[counterexample upon counterexample]

Well I'm convinced.  We must give up this wholly unwarranted 
conviction that music isn't cookies.
From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Liverpool Oratorio - McCartney and Davis, Rutter, et al
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:40:16 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Jul13.063301.16684@news.iastate.edu>, F1.DAO@isumvs.iastate.edu (David Oesper) writes:
>> 
>> LIVERPOOL ORATORIO--Paul McCartney & Carl Davis
>>         I haven't gotten this excited about a new work since
>> John Rutter's Requiem.  
>
>Now I /know/ never to bother listening to this.
>

I know what you mean... Mr. Rutter "does OK," but one would wish for more soul
and less perfectly-crafted pastiche.  As a director of a typical volunteer
American church choir, I know the place of such, yet wish for the real Howells
and Stanford, etc., I experienced in your fair city.

As for the Liverpool Oratorio... hmm... have to wait till our Minneapolis
"regional premiere" this year.  

Does this stuff really belong in classica  Maybe we have to come up
with a "hybrid" category on this network!

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: right-brained yet right-handed...as a musician, techie yet creative :
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From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Operas Wanted
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:20:34 GMT

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
: Donald Swan also set Tolkien's cycle of poems The Road, which were based
: on his Middle Earth mythos, to music. I actually heard him perform it in
: St Cross chapel in Oxford in the misty past when I was an undergraduate. I suspect this is the only time I'll ever
: hear Elvish sung (or spoken for that matter) I thought it sounded rather
: beautiful, a little like Welsh. We also got snatches of Perelandra. I'd
: like to get hold of a recording of either (or both!) does any one have a
: clue if such things exist?
: 
there are two records of Tolein/Swan available froma talking book
company that does lots of Poetry. Cadmus I think it is, but I'd have to
check. It also has Tolkein reading Elvish and High Gothic -  real treat.
(Tolkein read a Gothic prayer of exorcism into the machine to get rid of
"evil spirits") It's rather nice.
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Barber symphony #2
Originator: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:38:09 GMT

Has anyone heard Barber's symphony #2.
There's a recording on Stradivarius that can be had for $4, and it gets a
good score in the Stevenson guide, but I've never heard a review of the
work itself (as opposed to the performance and recording quality). How does
it compare to some of Barber's other symphonic compositions, eg. the violin
concerto, etc?