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From:         "Patricia M. Andersen" <pandersn%silver.sdsmt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Hats
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Hi all

our library has a standard "dress code" for student workers that prohibits
the wearing of hats, shorts, sweats, and bare midriff's during working
hours.  We enforce this fairly strictly.  We want our students to learn
that a job is just that, a job.  They may be going to school and working
part-time, but they are being paid for their efforts and should be
expected to dress like the adults they profess to be.

Hope this helps in your discussions at your place.

Patty

Patty Andersen
Devereaux Library, SDSM&T
pandersn@silver.sdsmt.edu
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From:         John Halliday <halliday%henson.cc.wwu.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Mini zebu -- info needed



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----------------- Message requiring your approval (20 lines) ------------------
Please post answers to address given in signature -- TIA.

One of our patrons wants information about mini-zebu, a Mexican
development about 5-7 years ago.  She knows that Dr Jose Manuel Berruecos
and Angel Castrillon (her spellings as I heard them) are two of the
Mexican researchers involved.

We have the Discover, August 1987, p9 article: The latest economy model.
And I have also checked PENPages, CRIS, Magazine Index, and the WLN
database; our local Cooperative Extension office has also begun looking
for info.

Your help will be much appreciated.

James E Weaver, Reference Librarian
        Whatcom County Library System
        c/o halliday@henson.cc.wwu.edu
                vox:  206-733-1250 --*-- fax:  206-384-6303
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Clearly lots of people are looking into document delivery services.  If
anyone has comparisons please share with the whole list.  Thanks!
Roxann Bustos
Reese Library
Augusta College
Augusta, GA 10904-2200
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From:         Carolyn Gutierrez <IAPROD250%A1%SSCCLU%MR@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU>
Subject:      STN ACADEMIC ACCESS

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WE ARE CONSIDERING DISCONTINUING THE PRINT VERSION OF CHEMICAL ABSTRACTS AND
SUBSCRIBING TO STN ACADEMIC ACCESS.

WOULD ANYONE WHO HAS USED THIS SERVICE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF IT?



CAROLYN GUTIERREZ
STOCKTON STATE COLLEGE LIBRARY
POMONA, NEW JERSEY
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:14:01 EDT
From:         Deborah L Bailey <dbailey@quapaw.astate.edu>
Subject: Re: Chaos on shelves?

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Hooray Mr. Fuller!  I have also noticed that some materials are
being placed in the wrong areas and I have received the same answer.
The problem with relying on our OPACs is that there is still
to few subject headings assigned to various works and many
records do not contain analytics.  I wish that there was a
uniform level of indepth cataloging which would cover such
errors.

Debbie Bailey
Reference
Arkansas State University
dbailey@quapaw.astate.edu
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We have a mediated classroom - that means we have access to all
media and a pc and a mac and a slide projector and an overhead,
etc. What is needed is projected onto a large screen by an LCD
device. My biggest problem is wanting to project or show several
things at once - so I use the marker board AND the pc display AND
the overhead.
   The console is connected to the campus LAN which connects all
systems including the library, and through that I can connect to
our OPAC and to the CD-ROM network. Many buildings on campus are
also connected, so that these may be reached from many stations
outside the library.
   Obviously I have excellent access and display for what must be
taught. Demo-ing CDs is easy and pertinent. We also developed a
hypertext package as an intro to the building itself - we just
toggle between the pc and mac.
   Our drawback is that the classroom also houses many faculty
showing videos, and isn't always available when I need it, altho
I have first dibs.
   More questions? Contact me directly.

Valerie Feinman, Coordinator of Library Instruction, Adelphi
University, Garden City, NY 11530.
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Subject:      Research in Progress -Reply

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Please ask the poster to summarize for the list. Those of us who
don't yet do this would like to know how it can be done.

Thank you.


Valerie Feinman, Coordinator of Library Instruction, Adelphi
University Libraries, Garden City NY 11530
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:15:14 EDT
From:         QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET
Subject:      American Association of Law Libraries/Colorado Amendment

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I am forwarding the following message from the Law-Lib list for your
information.

James Quinn
Quinn@Gonzaga.Bitnet

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:03:52 -0700 (MST)
From: Mark Estes <mestes%csn.org@ucdavis.BITNET>
Subject: AALL Colorado Convention

        On Saturday November 21, the AALL Executive Board adopted the
following statement:

        "In light of the recent adoption of Colorado's Amendment Two, the
American Association of Law Libraries (AALL) Executive Board voted
unanimously not to hold its 1998 annual meeting in Denver.
        The Board reached this decision for two major reasons.  First,
AALL is inclusionary in its membership and seeks to broaden access to
legal information.  Amendment Two is, by its nature, exclusionary and its
policy of exclusion could be extended to restrict access to legal information.
        Second, Article 9 of AALL's Bylaws states that "participation in
any activity of the Association . . . shall not be denied to any
individual, or abridged on account of . . . sexual orientation." Holding
the AALL annual meeting in a state which constitutionally permits a policy
of discrimination would deny some members full participation in the
Association's premier educational activity."

Note:  this statment was faxed Saturday evening to the Denver Post.
Additional press releases will be forthcoming on Monday.

+++++++++++++++++++
Mark Estes, President AALL
voice 303 866-0260  fax 303 866-0200
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From:         JAGERMAN@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
Subject:      Transport-librarians

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Hello

I would like to get in contact with librarians that are
specialized in transport and logistics. I'm working at the
EVO, a Dutch national organisation for the transport on own
account. I started with my Documentation Center on the first
of january this year (1992). I hope I can learn something from
other librarians in this subject field. For instance I'm very
interested in statistic material (about transport) from other
European Countries. But it's difficult to find sources. So if
there is anaybody there that is interested or working with the
same subject (transport or logistics), please, make contact

Evert Jagerman
EVO, ondernemersorganisatie voor Transport en Logistiek
P.O. Box 350
2700 AJ ZOETERMEER
Netherlands
JAGERMAN@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
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To:           libref-l@USCVM

The following is being posted to several library groups, under the
reasoning that its subject matter transcends the various subdisciplines
within librarianship.

On November 3rd, the voters of the State of Colorado approved
Proposition 2, an amendment to the state constitution, which in essence
prohibits governmental bodies within the state from extending legal
protection from discrimination to gay, lesbian, and bisexual people.  As
a gay man and a librarian, I am concerned with this vote, particularly
in view of the fact that ALA Midwinter is scheduled for Denver in
January, and ALA Annual is set for Denver in 1998.

I am concerned, on a personal level,  that I may be denied services and
legal protection if I travel there, and I assuredly do not wish to spend
money in a state that is so dismissive of my rights.  If the Midwinter
Convention is held, I will feel unwelcome at the very least.

On a professional level, I am concerned that ALA not passively accept
this state of affairs, that it continue to speak out strongly for the
human rights of all people. The Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the
Social Responsibilities Round Table are in touch with ALA leadership on
the issue in devising such a response.  But I am not reassured by the
fact that there has been no comment on this topic on any of the three
library discussion groups to which I subscribe.

In view of the fact that ALA will be one of the first conventions to
visit the state after this amendment goes into effect January 4th, and,
frankly, in view of the surprising level of protest that occurred within
the profession after American Libraries ran a cover picture of gay and
lesbian librarians in July, I would like to request discussion of the
position of gay, lesbian, and bisexual librarians, specifically
soliciting the opinion of nongay librarians.

Are gays, lesbians, and bisexuals welcome as members of the library
profession?  If so,  does ALA have a responsibility to speak out for the
civil rights of its members, if not all Americans?  Does ALA have a
responsibility to respond to the Colorado amendment specifically, or
does the constitution of Colorado have any bearing on our convention?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and comments.

Dave Strickler, Reference Librarian
University of Southern California
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From:         LIBRRTP@OSUCC.BITNET
Subject:      chaos on the shelves

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
there is no such thing as a perfect classification system,
especially when we rely upon humans to apply these to our
materials.  I read with great interest one response extolling
the virtues of Dewey, I hen proceeded to recall several
instances where I have searched for various topics in our
Dewey collection and have been amazed at their scattering.
I learned early on much to my surprise that all too often when
there are changes in a classification system between editions
that few libraries retrospectively update call numbers to apply
to the new classification numbers that they then begin to use...
so much for browsing....

Once bitten...
Rich Paustenbaugh
Head, Social Sciences Div.
Oklahoma State Univ.
LIBRRTP@OSUCC
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From:         "Engel,Kevin R" <ENGELK@GRIN1.Bitnet>
Subject:      ALA/DENVER

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Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, African Americans, Native Americans, etc., etc.--
anyone--is welcome as a member of the library profession.  To the extent that
ALA would like its entire membership to feel comfortable in attending the
upcoming meeting in Denver then, yes, the organization should speak out in
light of the recent proposition passed by Colorado voters and should
generally be concerned about how its members are treated.  Whether ALA bears
specific responsibility to speak out on behalf of all Americans or should
think that it can speak for a goodly portion of the population is another
matter.  The recent flap about the cover photo on American Libraries
illustrates that ALA members, like the general population, speak with many
voices and often without much concensus.  In that light, if the organization
represents the feelings and needs of all its members, then it can hardly
presume to issue some blanket statement.

Beyond all that, I will welcome the day that we can get away from so many
labels and groupings that often seem to do more harm than good.  I don't know
about the rest of you, but my gender, skin color, religious background,
ethnic background, or sexual preferences do not seem to have a lot of
influence or effect as I go about my job on a day-to-day basis.  I try to
do the best I can and the vast majority of the people I deal with seem to
respond to me in the light of that effort and those activities and do not
seemingly care much about any of those other characteristics.

Perhaps someday we will all be able to treat each other simply as human
beings and not spend incredible amounts of time and energy categorizing
each other into often unjust and senseless oblivion.

Kevin Engel
Grinnell College (Iowa)
engelk@grin.edu
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From:         SIMONS@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STN ACADEMIC ACCESS

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We have not discontinued our print Chemical Abstracts, but we have used the STN
service for several years.  It suits our needs because we don't run many
CA searches.  It must be used after 5:00 p.m. which can be a problem depending
on the library's staffing patterns. The price is great!
Linda Simons
Simons@Dayton
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From:         Ann Basart <emus-ab@garnet.berkeley.edu>
Subject:      Music Ref

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I'm interested in hearing from people who are NOT music librarians but who do a
 significant amount of reference in this area.
--Ann Basart (emus-ab@garnet.berkeley.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:47:44 EDT
From:         NICHOLS@LUB001.LAMAR.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hats

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Todd, you should submit your idea to the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
You might get a publication out of the idea!

Karen B. Nichols
Lamar University - Beaumont, TX
TXR
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From:         KARENW%tamvm1.tamu.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      reference desk
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In answer to Donna Fitch's request for information about re-thinking
the reference desk, Anne Lipow mentioned a process at Michigan State
that did create an interesting approach to improvement of services.
The citation is: Beth J. Shapiro, "Trying to Fix 'What's Wrong With
Reference,'" Journal of Academic Librarianship 13:286-291 (Nov 1987).
Beth's title is a reference to a classic by William Miller, "What's
wrong with reference: Coping with success and failure at the reference
desk," American Libraries 15:303-322 (May 1984).  Also of interest:
Mary Biggs, "Replacing the Fast Fact Drop-In with Gourmet Information
Service: A Symposium," Journal of Academic Librarianship 11:68-70
(May 1985).  An annotated bibliography of these will be coming out
in the Dec issue of RASD Update from the Management of Reference
Committee.
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From:         "Michael D. Calabria" <MDCBB%CUNYVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Hats
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If you're addressing the hats issue, you may also get into the question
of other headgear like wraps, scarves, etc. Since such apparel may be
considered part of ethnic dress, asking employees not to wear them could
be interpreted as discriminatory. Tread softly, is my advice.

Michael Calabria
Baruch Collge
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:54:00 EDT
From:         Ibironke.O.Lawal@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject:      Research in Progress

Please respond directly to the poster of this question, Thank You
Moderator  (Leslie Haas Lhaas@kentvm)
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Does any one know of any institution that has a database of
'Researches in Progress of Faculty and Researchers?. I will like to know the
following:
        1. what subjects are covered;
        2.      how did you collect data for the
database;
        3.      do you find it very useful and on what occassions;
        4.      do you have the support of the faculty;
        5.      what kind of support did you get while collecting data;
        6.      are any of these databases available on the Internet?

You  can reply directly to me or to the list.
Listowner, please summarise responses for the list.
Thank you
Ronke Lawal
Kresge Physical Sciences Library
Dartmouth college
ronke.lawal@dartmouth.edu
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From:         Linda Slovick <slovick@apple.com>
Subject:      Re: Chaos on shelves?

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Chaos in information!  Have any of you tried to query an electronic, full-
text database?  Whenever I do it, I always seem to come up with either
nothing, or so very much information (most of which is irrelevant to my
actual question) that it cannot be read in the time before the answer to
my question is needed.  Of course, boolean searching (this AND that OR
theotherthing) helps, but even using that, this phenomenon of mis-mapping
between my question and the query I need to use to ask a database about
it persists.

Is there any theory out there about (for lack of better terms) question-ness
vs. query-ness?

Thanks!
Linda Slovick
slovick@apple.com    "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
                                                       -Dan Quayle
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:36:35 EDT
From:         ACADMARG@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Computer "card catalog" needed

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To find some cataloging and indexing software you might try and FTP to
HYDRA.UWO.CA and look in the directory LIBSOFT.  I think there are a
couple of different packages located there (one of them is called CASSY,
I believe).  But get the index file first to see what's what.  It's been
a while since I've looked at this and I'm sure there are lots of new things.

Margaret Sylvia
St. Mary's University Academic Library
San Antonio, TX
acadmarg@stmarytx.bitnet
acadmarg@vax.stmarytx.edu
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