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From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:15:54 GMT

In <1992Nov23.025832.28039@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip) writes:

>iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:

>>But how? We did not initiates the political reform.  If we do so, we should
>>at least ask for the right to select our own GOVERNOR!!

>Yes I absolutely agree with you that we should elect our governor. But before
>we have this right, I don't mind we concentrate on the immediate problem 
>of the 1995 election first. Although, Pattern's proposal is only a very small
>step toward democracy, I do admire that he's proposal is conform with 
>Basic Law. Support him doesn't mean we give up the right to elect the governor,
>right?
> 
>>think so?   On the other hand, if Pattern wins, I think 99% of the HK's
>>reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

>What is the justification of your argument? Patterns wins --> more democracy
>in Legco --> 99% of the HK's reserve will go to the pockets of the British
>companies???

>In fact, I think the elected councilor have done a very good job in 
>auditing government's expenditure and maintaining people's living 
>standard. It's the first time govenment's financal plan has been 
>challenged in Legco for it didn't lower the income tax even with last 
>year's big revenue. They question the government for over-expenditure 
>in building UST. They criticise the government for wasting 100 million 
>in building Tai Lo Shan Tunnel because of the mistake in the contract. 
>There are numerous cases to show that Legco has spend great effort to 
>audit government's expenditure. And most important, legco exert great 
>pressure to monitor the airport project. I don't see all these is 
>possible without those elected members. If this legco is 80's legco, 
>they will just pass everything without all these debate. 

Absolutely right! If we had more elected seats in our legco, millions
of our H.K. dollars would not go into the Gulf war in 1991.

Great Era.
From: Andy.Woo@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Andy Woo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:32:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Hello Samson!

Wednesday November 11 1992, Samson Luk writes to Smart Handsome Chas:

 SHC>> which was aired yesterday. They was no bleeding from that
 SHC>> seventh kid. That all I know about the show. Correct if I am

 SL> FYI, ATV playback the film in slow motion tonight, 'bleeding' can indeed
 SL> be seen from the 2nd kid's (a girl) mouth!!!

    Yes, I also saw that!  I am scared by that!  But I felt strange that TVB
still insists that there is nothing special in the film.  I felt disappointed
by the TVB this time, the programme is not as informative as ATV's!

Andy
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From: alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Keywords: Woow! Scary!
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:08:42 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov13.000519.16373@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma) writes:
>As far as I know, this week's Next Magazine got something on this matter. I 
>heard that it is the cover story. Go to chinatown and buy a copy if anyone
>of you would like to read more informations. 
>
>Also, I heard that the *bleeding* kid was a girl because "she" is wearing a
>dress, but her legs could not be seen clearly. Her parents said she was dead
>before the ad was shot. 
>
>Can someone in HK kindly tell us what other magazine talked about this besides
>Next Magazine? 

East Week (No. 3) also talked about this commercial.  It's the Talk of
the Town in Hong Kong these days.



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From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:56:16 GMT

tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip) writes:

>cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:

>>to choose our own government. The Governor still have absolute right to
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>dismiss the LegCo and refrom ExCo. What's the different compared to the
>>past 100 years. 

>No, you've misinteprete the system. It's true that such system can provide
>a legislative framework for dictatorship. But this system doesn't make
>Patten a dictator. If Pattern treaten Legco to accept his proposal or he
          ^^^^^^^
Just for interest, if the the governor dissolved Legco, would he be require
to set up another one under the colonial legislature? Would it imply
that if he did so, people in HK would have another election?

>On the contrary, how Britain benifit from the political reform is not
>important. How Hong Kong will benifit from the political reform is the
>main point.
Definitely agree. Many think that people support Patten just follow "the
master" blindly. But, the whole thing is how much we can get for our
own. Why not take the chance and make the most out of it!

>It's no point to question Pattern's motivation for his proposal. It's    
>doesn't matter who forward the proposal, whether a hong Kongese, chinese or
>a Britain. If it is accepted by Hong Kong people, then the proposal is
>Hong Kong's proposal. Hong Kong is the subject of the proposal, so Hong Kong
>people's opinon is most important. Not who forward the proposal.

This reminds one interesting fact. When some authority (I don't know
which) decided to abolish the "student card" for the public transports, many
put the blame on the one who proposed the scheme. Oh god, it's the whole
committee that passed the proposal; why put the blame on the one
proposed. BTW, the fundamental question is why do such people have the
right to amend the scheme.

I think it is similar in Patten's case. If we, as a society, accepted the
proposal [suppose that we have been given the choice], then, we should
also accept the risk and wouldn't put the blame on anyone should anything 
go wrong in the future. Nevertheless, I would afraid that some would put 
the blame on others should something go wrong.

>>The governor has never listened to the people but the BIG MOUTHs in Hong
>>Kong. What we people want are low property price, low inflation rate,
>>better health care, better education system, better social wellfare ...

>Yes, therefore we need an accountable government. A government who will
>listen to people's need. That's the whole point of democracy reform.

That's the reason we need our BIG MOUTHs to represent us in the
councils.

>>C.M. Hui
>tung wai yip
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From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:58:07 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Nov23.025832.28039@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip) writes:

:In fact, I think the elected councilor have done a very good job in 
:auditing government's expenditure and maintaining people's living 
:standard. It's the first time govenment's financal plan has been 
:challenged in Legco for it didn't lower the income tax even with last 
:year's big revenue. They question the government for over-expenditure 
:in building UST. They criticise the government for wasting 100 million 
:in building Tai Lo Shan Tunnel because of the mistake in the contract. 
:There are numerous cases to show that Legco has spend great effort to 
:audit government's expenditure. And most important, legco exert great 
:pressure to monitor the airport project. I don't see all these is 
:possible without those elected members. If this legco is 80's legco, 
:they will just pass everything without all these debate. 

You have got the precise point, future of HK depends on
accountable government.  And a government is accountable only if
they are elected.  What good is it if the HK is prosperous if the
wealth goes to only 10% of the population ?  If we don't have
democratic reform then the majority of Lego would only look after
the interest of special groups, i.e., the rich of HK and the
Communist party.  Just look at China, do you honestly think that
the CCP has the interest of the Chinese people at hard.  Think
about the numbers 6 and 4, and then me truly !
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From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Crossing the Line
Date: 18 Nov 1992 10:05:50 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

(George Lo) writes:
 to express your love early to liberal girls.  For conservative
 girls (I assume a lot of HK girls are relatively conservative),
 it would scare the girl away.  I suggest first being friends with
 the girl, but don't make it clear that you would only be friends
 with her as this will make her assume that you would only be her
 friend.  
 slowly express a bit and a bit of your love towards her.  Don't
 just ask her out and tell her that you want to marry her or
 something when you guys are just ordinary friends.  That's a very
 childish way.
(Ho Sun Pang (Louis)) writes:
 That is the supreme beauty of ambiguity, I love it.
 BUT
 Have you hang around with the girls in HK lately?  I think most of them have 
 adopted this strategy 3 years ago.  When you go after her, she'd just hang on
 and being deliberately ambiguous towards you, so you'd never know whatever you
 hit something or something hits you.  Ha ha!
 Someone may argue that todays' girl is more open and liberal, so she could
 just hang out with you without crossing the line of friendship.  But some guys
 do argue that these girls just wanna make the most out of you.  You make the
 call.
 P.S.  Just a reference:  Most boys are more crazy at the beginning while the
       girls are more analytical and calm.  But once they fall in love, the
       situation reverse.  (This is from a book on psychology of love)

My Response:
	Great, so what's this ambigousity (is that even a word? don't have
my Webster's handy) supposed to mean.  I mean, how do you tell if it's a
"NO" or a "Maybe"?
	Oh, what do you mean by make the most out of you, Louis?  I'm not
sure I got the right meaning here.  My interpretation: Make you as 'best'
a person as she can.  If this is the case, then I don't really understand
why someone might think that.  Another Interpretation: Use you as much as
she can.  If this is the case, then I feel sorry for the world.
	Which leads me to the ILHC Discussion question for the week:
(see subsequent post)
	(disclaimer: this post will not have the correct signature file
attached to it.  I'm still trying to figure out how to work this program)

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From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: Re: Cantonese Song
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:30:53 GMT

>I think you must have some supernatural power if you can hear anything
>out of your files.
>

chuckle, you don't need supernatural power, you need the right machine and
the right programs.

Fran
From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: O'Brien road 7-Eleven busted.......(finally)
Keywords: Heroin, Dealer, and Jail
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:30:28 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article <1992Nov22.184320.22253@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.155306.14713@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhyman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Hyman) writes:
>>
>>On Wednesday the 17th of November at 8pm police raided the O'Brien Road
>>7-Eleven and arrested 6 heroin dealers. Fo those native HongKongers, you
>>might know the the 7-Eleven is an infamous dealing point for young chinese
>>and expatriates. The place operates 24 hours a day and a little packet of
>>heroin costs just $120 Hong Kong dollars. Last year a South China Morning
>>Post write was offered som while he was getting a drink, and he wrote
>>about it in the paper, so, finally a year later they decide to raid the
>>place. But undoubtedly new dealer will just take their place. The six
>>dealers were released on 5000 dollars bail and the hearing continues...
>>
>>-ThaiStick (yes, I'm back)
>
>Sweet!!!! salute to the Hong Kong Royal Police Department (hope i get the
>name of the police department right).  Speaking about the police
>department, i feel sorry about them.  I've heard less and less people
>willing to be a policeman,  and that's why they raise the salary to
>attract more people.
>
>Fran

I think it should be Royal Hong Kong .....
From: Billy.Aries@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Billy Aries)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Acts Of Love
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:40:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On 11-03-92 (19:22) George Lo said to All :

>If her husband truly loves her, chances are he might be shocked to hear
>the story at first.  They should, however, help each other to overcome
>that fear.

[...]
GL>Even you love her, there would be something deep in your heart
GL>that makes you unhappy whenever you think about it.  So, why do
GL>you want to be unhappy?

I agree with you. Most persons will not be easy to learn misfortune
and they want their marriage to be perfect. I strongly believe that if
keeping silent of it doesn't lead to another problem, why stir things
up. For sure the most beautiful scene is the husband fully understands
the pain suffered by the wife and backs her up. I'm a little
pessimistic about likelihood. Care to enlighten me if you consider
I've got a simple mind.

Regards/Billy
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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:47:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.110922.6758@sfu.ca> wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>
>    Does that mean Vivian Chow has an address on UseNet? :)

Yes.  Her address is vchow@jade.tvb.hk.  She rarely reads her mail though :)

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From: cmhui@cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:13:38 GMT

b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:

>Absolutely right! If we had more elected seats in our legco, millions
>of our H.K. dollars would not go into the Gulf war in 1991.

>Great Era.

Should be:

"Absolutely right! If we are not ruled by the British guy and we have a
elected governor, millions of our H.K. dollars would not go into the
Gulf war in 1991."

C.M. Hui
From: ifan@festival.ed.ac.uk (Shen I-Fan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:HKPOPSTAR
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:03:27 GMT


Would you please suggest any exciting pictures which will increase the 
potential of research works?

I think there are many people waiting for.  


Cheers.
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From: alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung)
Subject: Re: ILHC: Love Clinic (WLS RESPONSE) 11/16/92
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:39:03 EST


Very funny. I like it. Post more.

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From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:24 GMT

In article <By0w20.Kuy@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> shafung@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung) writes:
>The idea of worshipping your anchestors or grandpa is stupid,
>since you never know whether your anchestors have reincarnated (actually I don't
>believe in it at all, cuz' then, why the population is growing) or not.
>
>Cheers,
>Alan

The human population is growing at the expense of other species. Notice
how many animals have become endangered and extinct? They re-incarnated
into humans. :>

NGOK
.
From: s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Ka Wo Anthony Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: nephilim
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:55:14 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

John Teng <jt2o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>I'm deeply apologetic about my profane use of language. It's just that
>little *&^$C^&*& pissed the hell out of me.  Just a momentary loss of
>control, that's all.

>Good day, all.
>John

What was the original posting about?
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From: pleung@troy.cc.bellcore.com (leung,philip)
Subject: Looking for friends from Wa Ying College
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:07:40 GMT


Hi,
I am looking for some fellows who studied at Wa Ying College '87-'88
F.6 Math Class: HO Ping Leung (Martin) (in Minnesota, I guess),
and IP Foo Wa (in Arizona, I guess) . If any of you folks see this
news, please drop me a mail!  I want to get back in touch with some 
old pals.  Thanks!

Philip (Chi-Sang) Leung
From: hwoo@wyse.wyse.com (Hsien Woo x2305)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:53:49 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technology, San Jose
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I would say what he is proposing is right and is the
desire of most Hong Kong residents. 

On the otherhand, whether he is the first Govenor that
is willing to stand up for the Hong Kong people, I think
we have to look into the matter more closely. As most of
the British companies got the contract for the new HK
airport and major British firms in HK have moved or registered
overseas, the British interest in HK has fullfilled and their
lost is limited even if there is a big confrontation. Therefore
it will be the right time for the British to do something that
will mark a glorified retreat from HK. At least they tried to
provide democracy for their subject.

The above is pure personal opinion and may be a sinical way
of looking at things. I think we should support Chris Patten
for what he is proposing as this is good for Hong Kong and also
good for China( to demonstrate to the Chinese that how a democratic
system works and benefits the area.) 

The whole confrontation in Hong Kong alone shows how selfish and
shameless of the HK business community, most of them are only
interested preserving their wealth and forget the importance of
dignity and principles ( if they have any (sign!)).

Just my 2 cents

Hsien-chung

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From: yap40294@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gotta go to class ;P)
Subject: Re: Broadway Musical + Lam + extra(Re: LAM is a Legend!) 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:48:34 GMT

<juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Grand Hotel will be performed on 3/9/93 here in Bloomington.  The good seats 
>are all sold out in September.  I've got to buy the tix ASAP. ;-)

>Julia

I think Brightman and Weber are either filing a divorce or divorced.  Sort of
dumb to dump your composer husband  who writes for you when you are a singer,
right? :)
"Annie" will be coming here mid-December.  Am thinking about going.  Know
anything about the music in that one?  I only know "Tomorrow" in it.  I have
never heard "Chess" before.  Is it one of Weber's earlier works?

Anastasia


Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14775 soc.culture.china:30989
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Keywords: shanghai
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:04:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:

>You mean articles about politics [to schk when Beijing is on the net]? 
>I'm wondering about that too.

>Fran

Oh boy, I better learn to post anonymously real quick. =)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: HKPA.POPSTARS - New pictures posted - sd-viv02.gif sd-ire03.gif
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:55 GMT

HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE - POPSTAR COLLECTION (HKPA.POPSTARS)
===============================================================
NEW PICTURE POSTING
===================
 
WARNING: In order to protect the pictures and the contributors,
         all HKPA pictures are not allowed to be sold.

New pictures are posted to the following newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures
alt.binaries.pictures.misc

They will be available in ftp sites soon.

filename   : sd-viv02.gif
description: Portrait of Vivian Chow Wai-Man sitting
category   : Hong Kong actress & singer
image      : 361x526x256 color
filesize   : 93897 bytes
Contributor: Eddie Ling <cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca>
 
filename   : sd-ire03.gif
description: Full portrait of Irene Wan Bik-Ha 
category   : Hong Kong actress
image      : 320x670x256 color
filesize   : 100318 bytes
Contributor: Eddie Ling <cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca>

Special thanks to Eddie Ling for the contributions.

Contributions are welcome. Please read README.DONORS in directory
/pub/hongkong/hkpa/popstars		of ftp site: asia.lcs.mit.edu OR
/pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/HKstar	of ftp site: nic.funet.fi
for contribution rules, how to uuencode and contribute pictures.
However, the easiest method is to uuencode the picture file and mail it to
Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>. Contributors must not upload the files to ftp 
sites themselves. All types of picture file format are welcome. We will convert
them to GIF format.

The list of frequently asked questions for HKPA is now available in the
following places:
Newsgroups:	soc.culture.hongkong, news.answers
		Subject: soc.culture.hongkong FAQ, Part IV
Ftp site:	asia.lcs.mit.edu
		Path name: /pub/hongkong/hkpa/FAQ

If you've any questions, please read the FAQ list first before consulting us.

Thank you for supporting HKPA.POPSTARS. Please keep it alive.

Enjoy!
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