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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:46:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.170258.17772@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> shay@osiris (George Shay) writes:
>I disagree. I do not see any 'racist' at all here. In order for the fair
>trial, the non-english-speaking people have the rights to speak their own
>language in the court and tax dollars are spend for hiring the
>interpreters.  I do not want to see this in my office. It is a pure econimic
>policy. You have got to have a common language to communicate.

I've wondered about this more and more, as I see more and more workplaces
where the preferred language by the vast majority is not English.  The
examples I see a frequently in my very limited personal experience are
Hebrew and Spanish.

So suppose you secure employment as the high-temperature animal-derived
lipid starch-immersion engineer at the nearby McDonald's, and suppose
everyone back in the kitchen except for you really prefers to speak
Spanish (or Serbo-Croation or whatever).  Do you learn their language,
or do you legislate that everyone had better speak English, godammit,
since we're in America.  You have got to have a common language to communicate.

						--Alan J. Hu
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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <35045@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
->In article <92095.184430U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
->
-># There is a test called TOEFL (test of English as a foreign
-># language) administered by ETS that can be used as a substitute for
-># the SAT (the English part that is) for people whose native language
-># is not English.
->
->Hmmm.  This might be a school policy at the U of I, but here they
->still have to take both the TOEFL and the SAT.  For admission to the
->university, the combined SAT is used, so that a good quantitative
->score will compensate for a low verbal score (some departments might
->set standards for one of the subtests, but that's not likely to be a
->problem).  If you get 750 on the math, you're practically guaranteed a
->1000 combined.
->
->David

True.  I remember when I took SAT, some university had this requirement
for a combined score of 1090.  Now I don't remember whether that's the
score of guaranteed admission to the university, or minimum requirement
for admision to a certain major.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:57:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

When I lived in Berkeley, my roommate and I went to Chinatown frequently after
two or three AM to eat in the many restaurants open that late in that part of
town, particularly Sam Wo's on Washington, two blocks up from the Washington
Street Garage.  It was the best time to go because there was always lots of
parking :-)

I feel far safer there than I do in South Berkeley or Downtown Oakland at night,
although we've been known to make late-night forays into those areas for food
as well :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.indian
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:08:26 GMT

ut-emx.uucp> vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi) writes:
>	I knew a pretty Asian-American (Oriental) girl who lived in
>my apartment complex and had developed a liking for her. So after I 
>thought I knew her fairly well, I was contemplating asking her out 
>on a date. ...
>	This friend just asked me to FORGET THE GIRL. He told me that
>no Oriental girl will go for an Indian. They might go for Caucasians
>(no racial thoughts on MY part here) probably, but most of them are
>told by their parents (or atleast given the idea) that Indians are poor,
>ignorant, good-for-nothin peasants. 
>	So I spoke with a couple of other Asian-American friends and
>they too kind of echoed the same thought. Let me clarify here by telling
>that NONE of these friends is a RACIST or Indian-hater, in fact all my
>room-mates and I get along EXTREMELY well with them and we have a lot of
>social interaction. So I completely ruled out any feelings of personal
>prejudices coming into the picture.

  hahaha.  If your "friend" indeed holds all these bigoted
ideas about Indians, how can you say he's not prejudice?   I would
say he is!    Secondly, I would forget about what your "friends"
say and go and ask the girl for yourself.  Or do you think all
asians think alike, and that your "friend's" attitude will be
the same as the girl's attitude?   jeeeez!
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American communities (was Law of diminishing returns)
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:23:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <upsi1.702938653@mcl> upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) writes:
->In <10268@inews.intel.com> sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:
->>The biggest problems in the Bay Area, IMHO, are the high cost of living
->>and degradation of the environment from too much growth.  Racism
->>generated by "too many Asian Americans" is not the biggest problem.
->>While there are racial incidents, I say that the Bay Area is generally a
->>tolerant place (but very expensive).
->Yeah, I'm from Foster City, by way of Daly City.  The Bay Area is generally
->a tolerant place.  Like any other metropolitan area, there are some bad spots.
->I found the place to be very comfortable but, like Jeff says, expensive.

Yeah, it's expensive.  But the tolerance, the good Asian restaurants, and
the weather really makes it worthwhile.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Will America fall?
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:52:56 GMT

In article <22524@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>...
>This is the complete opposite of everything I have heard. The great
>majority of Chinese gangs in the U.S. are extensions of gangs in 
>Hong Kong, notably the Triads. The recent increase in Chinese gang 
>activity in the U.S. could be related to 1998 as the gangs try to 
>build up their power bases abroad.  Most gang recruits are young 
>immigrant youths unable to adjust to life in the U.S. and end up
>drifting on the fringes of Chinatown life. These gangs prey strictly 
>on other Chinese, and have little to do with either the legitimate
>or criminal elements of the non-Chinese world. 

The FBI report from the New York Times noted that the Chinese gangs
were on the upswing as the most dangerous Asian gangs in this country.
They have started to move from preying on other Chinese to non-Chinese
Americans.

>
>Dwight Joe's comparison of the prevalence of Chinese gangs to 
>the absence of Japanese gangs in the U.S. as another sign of
>Chinese depravity is completely ludicrous. Hasn't he ever heard 
>of the yakusa? Japanese criminal activity, if anything, is even

Wrong spelling.  It is ya-ku-za.

>more organized and connected with legitimate elements than the
>Chinese!

This is a ludicrous comparison.  Mr. Huang is comparing Japanese
gangs in Japan with Chinese gangs in the USA.  USA is not the
home turf of Chinese but is fast becoming one.  A fair comparison
would be between Chinese gangs in Hong Kong (and other unfortunate
strongholds of Chinese society) and Japanese gangs in Japan.

Chinese gangs in the USA should be compared against other Asian
gangs in the USA.  The FBI report made no mention of either Korean
or Japanese gangs in the USA.  Why?  Could this have something
to do with the virulent Chinese culture?

As I've said before, the model minority concept might apply to
the Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans, but it certainly doesn't
apply to Chinese-Americans.  A visit to Chinatown should convince
you.  (I've been told by a couple of Chinese to stay away from
Chinatown, a very unsafe place--"thanks" to Chinese culture.)

> 
>Joe Huang

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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: re Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:32:40 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <1992Apr10.225013.372@en.ecn.purdue.edu> oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro) writes:
!In article <kubjopINNjsr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop therefore I AM!!) writes:
!>
!>Here's another one: Chinese food to whites consist of only three
!>dishes - sweet and sour pork, pork fried rice, and lemon chicken. 
!
!Waitress!  An order of egg rolls with that.
!

Oh --- don't forget the Chop Suey!

Gary

Ps.  I'm chinese and I don't even know what Chop Suey is....
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Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 21:02:50 CDT
From: <U51115@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American amateur athletes
Distribution: usa
 <12183@tamsun.tamu.edu>

In article <12183@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr10.053518.9432@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
>hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>
>|> I'm only a recreational runner/racer.  Haven't won anything yet.  It just
>|> take some time.  A year from now, I should be winning regularly.  anyway,
>|> winning is not a big deal; just have fun.  You can look at it this way: You
>|> are computing with yourself (your "old self").
>       ^^^^^^^^^
>
>Alas, the loneliness of the long-distance hacker....
>--

 I wish people would stop making fun of us Asian Americans just because we're s
lower than any other people. And maybe we're not all that smart either but at l
east when I go to workout or run, I like to talk to myself and sing some songs.
Also, if you think you're being picked on like me, then please reply because I
would like to know. Also, I have no friends, so when you reply I assume you wan
t to be my friend. Does anyone out there know how to make their booger talk?


>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
>                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Reporting of Hate Crimes (Was: Re: SF & LA)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:39:21 GMT

In article <23675@scorn.sco.COM>, garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
> 
> In article <122088@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
> !
> !No place is perfect.  But at least people in SF recognize the problem whereas
> !in other parts of the country people don't even realize they have a problem.
> 
> That's true.. At least it's news here.... Maybe in Alabama 8-), things like
> hate crime against asians are reported simply as a murder/homocide.  If
> it's race related, the local news here usually reports it as a race related
> incident or simply a "hate crime".

     Please pardon me if the attributions are incorrect; the original
quotation was some four or five levels deep.

     Some of my coworkers were walking through downtown Seattle and they
encountered a bunch of skinheads beating the tar out of two black guys.
Just then, multiple police cruisers rolled up, and broke things up.  The
skinheads were chased off and the black guys sent off to the hospital.
No questions, no arrests, no news stories, nada, nothing, zip, zero.
And don't tell me the newsies didn't hear about it.  It's standard
practice for the news media to monitor police radio frequencies for
fast breaking stories.

     I'd certainly hope such behavior (skinheads and police) couldn't
happen here in the Bay Area.

							George
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asians in Movies (was Re: info on Tia Carrare?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:36:11 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <11783@tamsun.tamu.edu>, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
|> As far as I know, the only films directed by a non-Asian/AA in which an
|> Asian/AA man had any sexuality were "The King and I" and "The Last
|> Emporer," and in each case their interest as characters was derived
|> primarily from their high status.  So maybe this is why so many young AAs
|> are so materialistic:  it's the only way to compensate for the sexuality
|> gap.  I've started saving for that Porsche.

Puyi (the last emperor) is thought to have been impotent.

Back to the subject of feminine Asian men, "The King and I" brought to mind
Yul Brenner.  I would like to see anyone call him feminine.  I believe he is
Manchurian, maybe Mongolian.  He had such a powerful personality that he had
a successful acting career in a time when Asian men were usually depicted as
ruthless criminals or walking fortune cookies.  On the other hand, Mr. Brenner
had a somewhat ethnic "neutral" appearance, he get away with Asian or Caucasian
roles.

 
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: The War in 2020 (was US military policy)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211701.22153@crash.cts.com>, rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:
> In <1992Apr9.161534.14433@cs.yale.edu>
> yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin) writes:
> 
> >viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
> >>... the Nobel prize is given in the name of the man who
> >>invented TNT, declaring that he has discovered a substance so
> >>powerful that it would end warfare because it was just too powerful
> >>and would make the cost in lives too great.
> >
> >Well, do you see war between civilized countries any more?  I think Nobel was
> >right.  It just took the rest of the human race a hundred years or so to
> >realize it.

     Between *nuclear powers*, you don't see wars because *nuclear* weapons
cause such great deatch and destruction.

> I think you're being rather optimistic. The world went to war against Iraq
> last year. Wars of that nature will prob'ly happen for the remainder of our
> lifetimes. World Wars, as in WWI WWII, I don't see them in the cards any
> longer.

     Against weaker countries, developed countries have no compunction about
waging war.  The Bush administration was worried about the political impact
of 2000 US casualties, but few are bothered by estimates of Iraqi casualties
in the hundreds of thousands.  Likewise, Great Britain waged war against
Argentina because she knew she could win.

								George
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Filmmakers (was Asians in Movies)
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:27:30
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
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In-reply-to: yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu's message of 6 Apr 92 21:41:14 GMT


In article <YAMAUCHI.92Apr6174114@heron.cs.rochester.edu> yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

> Are there *any* Asian-Americans directing or writing feature films today?

  Shirley Sun produced and/or directed "A Great Wall" (about a
Chinese-American family visiting their relatives in China), and "Iron
and Silk" (about an American who lives in China for a while).  I
really enjoyed both movies; they had a lot of humor mixed in with the
interesting cultural perspectives.  However, I don't know if Ms.  Sun
is from China or Hong Kong, and if she has relocated to America or
not, so I don't know whether to say she is Asian or Asian-American.

  Does anyone know if she was involved in any other movies?

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From: hatanon@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (noboru hatano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One more time......
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:03:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.5359
Distribution: usa

(kerry Go) writes:
>Actually, these people have said that they don't understand jokes in their
>native language, either.

   O.K. then, how many of you Americans understand this in your NATIVE
language:

man1> Well, man. I'm going to get married next month.
man2> Oh, sorry to hear that. That's very unfortunate of you....

    If you IMMEdiately found this 'joke' funny without using outside material
or references, I suspect that you have a black belt in Japanese humore.
For those who didn't get it, I recommend you to take 'International humore 101'
which will be offered this summer. And don't forget, this is a prerequisit for
'JPN 410 (Godzilla VS Andrew Dice Clay.)':) 

p.s. The reason why the 'joke' is funny is left for an exercise. :):)

Happy posting.

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From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:11:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Apr17.191157.989
Distribution: na
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr15.071910.20400@u.washington.edu> luke@milton.u.washington.edu (Marvin Luke) writes:
>>>>        Nahh.....we don't despise Californians.
>
>>>>        We just use 'em for Uzi target practice.
>
>Unless of course they are young, single, female, and Asian American.
>In that case just bring your California tan up I-5 to Seattle. I promise,
>everyone will be nice and.......

Careful, we in Portland are south of you guys...we get first crack!  :-)
-- 
Keith K. Higa			Lewis & Clark College
higa@lclark.edu			Portland, OR, USA
"Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics.
 I can assure you that mine are still greater." -- Albert Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Summary: What is unsafe?
Keywords: unsafe, very unsafe
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
inquisitively asks:
>
>Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years ago?
>I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
>to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
>fire.  [wry :-)]

Please.  For your own sake, don't walk anywhere near China town.  You
are, however, permitted to spit on the place as you drive by on your
way to Japan town.

Do visit Japan town.  It is pleasantly and cleanly arranged; do try out
the green-tea ice cream sold by the Korean vendor.  In fact, there are
a couple of Korean operated shops in Japan town; they have all wisely chosen
to stay away from China town.

My Chinese [strictly in the genetic sense] friend also said that LA's
Chinatown is just as bad, if not worse.  Chinese culture is, in many
aspects, very different from either Korean or Japanese culture.  Please
know the difference, for _YOUR_ and your children's own good.

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From: daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:08:51 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <92095.184430U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

# There is a test called TOEFL (test of English as a foreign
# language) administered by ETS that can be used as a substitute for
# the SAT (the English part that is) for people whose native language
# is not English.

Hmmm.  This might be a school policy at the U of I, but here they
still have to take both the TOEFL and the SAT.  For admission to the
university, the combined SAT is used, so that a good quantitative
score will compensate for a low verbal score (some departments might
set standards for one of the subtests, but that's not likely to be a
problem).  If you get 750 on the math, you're practically guaranteed a
1000 combined.

David
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