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From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Keywords: newsfeed, sa,link,e_mail in Africa
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:47:47 GMT
Reply-To: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com ( Peter Mwaniki )

In article <1992Apr9.151251.24328@psg.com> chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
>> Just what is happening?...
>
>In the past, I have been reluctant to use this group to discuss
>mail problems to Africa, as I don't feel it belongs here.

Chris,
I beleive e_mail links to Africa, is not only relevant to
this group, but it could be one of the most useful topics.
I in particular am most interested in e_mail links to Africa
and wouldn't mind if you could shed some more light on how
the link is set up and some of the problems you are 
encountering on both ends.  

Is this the same line that feeds Zimbabwe, and Namibia ?
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Peter Mwaniki,	       	            e_mail: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor)
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:52:29 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Zimbabwean Land Reform part 3
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:38:11 GMT

--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net
From: llk406@KEPLER.UNH.EDU (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:03:55 GMT

>In article 5857.....James Amenuvor writes:
>...... , at least as much of it as I know,............
>....... To support this I have never heard of a couple eloping in Africa.

Well, amigo, I'll have to tell you that maybe there is some particular part
of Africa where what you are saying is the case. Where I come from, eloping
is not uncommon! I know this amigo because it has happened even in my own
family! No, I didn't elope nor was I eloped -if such a thing exists!

Hi, Michael :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: spiff@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jason Leigh)
Subject: Call for Very short folk tales
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:35:02 GMT


Hi, as you can see I have cross posted this message on all soc.culture
groups.

I am looking for very short folk tales in any language and origin to animate
for SIGGRAPH 93.  The emphasis is on VERY short folk tales with good imagery
and perhaps a somewhat surreal quality.  If you can think of one off the
top of your head please email me a message with a brief description of
the following:

Title:
Language:
Very brief story outline:
Would you be willing to give me assistance on making translations:

In the animation I will most likely have the narration be in the native
language the story originates (and perhaps with subtitles) or have
a native of the country narrate.

Thanks.

Jason Leigh
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From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Sudan famine
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:03:02 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

Saad, Thank you for preparing this report.  It was
particularly informative.

Michael.Willlett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1825 soc.culture.african.american:4554
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: You trippin/Path: Ra.MsState.Edu!clg1
Date: 13 Apr 1992 18:27:15 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

Would it be too much to ask "News on Muncher" <news@sequent.com>
to post under his or her real name?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 23:41:34 EDT
From: <OLOMOLAS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Distribution: na
 <1992Apr4.204553.13876@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Apr4.212632.11946@psg.com> <1992Apr9.151703.27212@u.washington.edu>

what is all this about lines  from south africa? I hope you are not communicati
ng ina language understood by you alone. We are watching.
From: llk406@KEPLER.UNH.EDU (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:19:36 GMT

Hey, Makala, the guy you were talking to in your article number 5877
is infact from Africa! He, in fact comes from a place that is so close 
from where you come that I find it hard to understand what you meant by
saying you could point out stuff in his culture that you disagreed with.

From the little I know about your culture -it's not very different from
John Kauta's. IMHO, you seem to have reacted rather rashly. But then I
may be wrong.

Llolsten Kaonga (with the man in the yellow hat)

e-mail: llk406@kepler.unh.edu
        l_kaonga@unhh.unh.edu
From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Info request: East African Safari in June... Is it worth it?
Keywords: kenya, safari
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:14:25 GMT
Reply-To: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com

In article <9529@pluto.dss.com> ken@pluto.dss.com (Ken Adler) writes:
>Sorry to disturb the political discussions going on in this group....
>I need some advice.
	Nope !, the more diverse the subjects the better, lets
hear how it goes when you return.

>I am planning to take my Honeymoon this June1-June 15th.  We were thinking 
>of going to Seychelle Islands for a week and then into Kenya for a "Safari"
>for a week.

>I believe that the begining of June is "off-peak" since it is "winter season".
>Will it still be worthwhile? Will we still see a lot of beasties even though it
>is not "migration time".  
>
>do you think I ought to save my money for another time when I can go during 
>september?

Ken,

I believe it will be an excellent time to see game in Kenya. You can
see plenty of game in most of Kenya National Parks all the year round.
The finest parks being Masai Mara and Amboseli. Masai Mara is next to
Serengeti National park. Serengeti is in Tanzania and Masai Mara in
Kenya, Masai Mara has better infrastructure, but Serengeti has more
wildlife.  Both are the world's best !

I was at Masai Mara last year in June, and most game had migrated there
from Serengeti, heards after heards of elephants,prides of lions,
cheetahs, fields and fields, of zebras, topis,wildbeasts, etc. you
could never at anytime fail to see the big five at Masai mara: elaphant,
leopard, rhino,cheetah, ( cant recall the fifth ), ....

Make sure you have a booking early, its competitive to secure a place
I reccommend click Clock lodge (sp), staff is great, food excellent,
and is near the thick of wildlife. It has 6am ballon flights over the
park , the rangers are also most helpful.

Take a good camera, video with zoom will be great, Seyshells, and
a safari sounds like one of the finest choices.

Enjoy your honeymoon !
------                              
Peter Mwaniki,	       	            e_mail: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Malawi, opposition leader arrested'
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:54:55 GMT

/* Written 10:09 am  Apr  9, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "MALAWI: OPPOSITION LEADER ARRESTED" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: MALAWI: OPPOSITION LEADER ARRESTED


lilongwe, apr 6 (ips) -- malawian opposition leader chakufwa
chihana was arrested monday as he returned to his country to
lead the campaign for multiparty democracy.

chihana, 52, was seized by plain clothes security men at the
foot of the stairs of a south african airways (saa) plane as it
landed at kamuzu international airport here and bundled into the
back of a white car which sped away.

his whereabouts were not immediately known.

chihana, a trade union leader, had left this southern african
country in march to neighbouring zambia to attend a meeting of
malawian exile groups, to plan an effective opposition to
president hastings kamuzu banda's 28-year autocratic rule.

he was nominated to head an interim committee inside malawi
which would mobilise and coordinate the growing internal
political dissent against banda's single party regime.

chihana had received tacit support from several western
governments. he travelled recently to south africa, a
long-standing ally of banda, and one western diplomat told ips
that he had received a good reception.

at 24 years of age, chihana was forced into exile in kenya in
1964, three months before malawi's independence from britain in
july that year, for his outspoken criticism of banda.

deported from kenya in 1971, he was detained for seven years,
five of those in solitary confinement. on his release, he went
into exile again in britain where he took further studies and
returned to malawi three years ago.

in zambia, it was known that a warrant had been issued for
his arrest, and his wife was sacked from her university job in
malawi, in apparent government reaction to the exiles' meeting
in zambia and chihana's role.

chihana was well aware of the risks he ran in returning to
malawi. but in a telephone interview with ips from johannesburg
sunday, he sounded strained but expectant.

kamuzu international airport viewing lounge was unusually
full monday. his arrival had been announced by foreign media,
but among the crowd of ordinary malawians and western diplomats,
there was a strong presence of plain security officials.
(more/ips)


malawi: opposition (2)

as chihana was grabbed at 11:30 gmt, one security officer
laughed and clapped his hands. the lounge then emptied
immediately.

despite strong western pressure on banda, whose regime has an
appaling human rights record, to democratise, a malawian
novelist and publisher told ips: ''these people don't care about
international opinion''.

chihana could be held indefinitely, he said.
(end/ips/oa/ar/apc/92)
From: dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: South Africans
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:51:57 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

The postings on US/SA problems have been interesting, but still don't explain
why the UK and the US have both been experiencing abnormal difficulties  -- and
why South Africans have also noticed a sudden, exceptional problem.

Anyway, the good news is that things seem to be going back to normal: I've
had about five trouble-free days now (I can tell, because the volume of my
mail is small and I know the patterns likely to be used by the people at the
other end). So here's hoping...

M. du Plessis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)
Subject: Is Zambia in the net?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:46:32 GMT
Reply-To: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)

Is anyone out there in Zambia?

Bill Ross
NASA Ames Research Center
Mountain View, California, USA
From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: You trippin/Path: Ra.MsState.Edu!clg1
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:20:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.172008.4668
Organization: .

In article <1992Apr12.212247.5159@ra.msstate.edu> clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Christopher L Gray) writes:
>I could give several fucks about how *correct* my grammEr is. ##:)

  Congratulations,  it is obvious. Not very bitter are you?

>Many props ... if I could fuck up the English gibberish/gobblygook 

  You do incredibly well without even trying.

>P.(mf)S. DON'T EVER let people getcha down cause you can't master the 
 English thing, 

  Can't master English?  What ever happened to your "Code Switching" cop-out?
 There are black people who speak English really well.  There are also those
 who don't.  One way to smooth over an inadequacy is to discount the entire
 issue. Well done!

  It's with this very technique that I rule professional basketball out of
 my classification of true competition sports.  I can't play basketball
 like 99.9% of the NBA players,  therefore I vote to change the game just 
 as was done to "suit" Wilt. Even though you don't care to speak my language,
 you should be able to see the correlation.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:08:04 GMT

In <1992Apr14.112149.9803@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> john kauta
 <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>In article <viking.703224672@vincent1.iastate.edu>
 viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>[STUFF DELETED]
>> Demand for slaves does not result in fulfillment unless other
>>blacks are willing to sell their conquered neighbors.  Solidarity among
>>the blacks could have defeated virtually any slavers you could dream of.
>>That it didn't happen is proof that color is no measure of humanity.

>You mentioned the Zulus above and somewhere below you seem to suggest that
>Africans never cared to defend themselves against the slavers.  I can not
>help but notice that you have conviniently left out the activities of
>Dingane, the successor of Shaka Zulu, in this direction. Does he (Dingane)
>strike you as a person who would have sold you African slaves??????

	I left him out because he was not an example of solidarity against
the white slave traders; did he continue the tradition of enslaving other
blacks when he defeated them in battle?  He certainly failed to provide
an Africa united against the slave traders, else the traders would have
faced an armed and aggressive continent.  This is bad business.  The
evidence does not show him as anything but a Zulu leader quite opposed to
having his tribe enslaved; he did no such thing for the rest of his
companions on the continent.

>And what is this newfangled notion about "demand for slaves existing in
>Africa at that time"??? Are you REALLY SERIOUS??

	A demand existed, there is nothing newfangled about it.  What do
you think most of the warfare prior to Europeans showing up was for?  It
was for loot, which included food, material goods, and slaves.  Remember,
you have to haul your loot back to wherever you came from, and the
logistics train is already having a hard time keeping your soldiers fed
and otherwise supplied.  Slaves work good as pack animals.

	That you are unwilling to believe this leads me to believe
you have an agenda that facts will not change.  Perhaps this would
work better if you would tell us what you think happened?  Please
be sure to include your line of reasoning on these.

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: swispl@solomon.technet.sg (SW International)
Subject: Re: Do you know *anything* about Namibia????
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:05:13 GMT

linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (linda@frcs.Alt.ZA) writes:
: Hi!
: 
: Or, more specifically, do you know what type of electrical current they're 
: on?? We're about to send some computers to our offices there, and would
: kinda' like to know if they're on say, 110V / 60Hz, 220/50 or whatever...
: 
: Do you know, or perhaps you just know where we might go to find out?
: 
Yeah same as South Africa...well my fridge which worked in S.A. didn't
blow up when i plugged it into the Namibian mains...they have 3 pin
plugs (220v/50Hz) 13 AMP i think, with round pins

Mike
--
SW International Systems Pte Ltd     |  "I've got a plan so cunning 
    14, Science Park Drive           | you could put a tail on it and
    Singapore Science Park           | call it a weasle".. Black Adder
    Singapore 0511                   | 
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From: wobd@northstar.dartmouth.edu (Noble E. Ekajeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Democracy and Africa
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:17:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Project NORTHSTAR, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I think that one of the problems with the lack of democracy in Africa has been the lack of an effective opposition.  The one-party states or military dictatorships have been so successful in stifling dissenting public opinion that people in a position to change things are either too intimidated or, along this line, unable to guage public opinion as to how wide-spread discontent on varying public policy issued by these states are.  

More importantly, is the apparent lack of a social contract between the people and their government.  Most Africans do not feel their government is accountable to them.  I suspect that this might be a legacy of colonial administration.  Subsequently, corruption is wryly written off with comments like "na gofment money" in Nigeria where I come from.  There is no perception that assets of a public institution like government belong to the constituents of that nation.  

Finally, this is related to the first point.  But Africa today is undboubtedly overmilitarized.  This military factor is perhaps the strongest factor in quashing any threat to the status quo, which usually favor the military. And this is why a lot of the present fledgling democracies in countries like Togo are still so fragile.  

.
From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!-- ah, what, where, in Africa ???
Date: 2 Apr 92 05:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com

In article <1992Apr1.023533.3808@mercury.cair.du.edu> rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) writes:

Hi Robert,

I think you have some valid points. I dont have time 
to comment but a few points comes to mind priorities,
culture, and the current state of the African economies,
ie, equality within our cultural environment ( do away
with cultural practices discriminatory againist women)
There are higher priorites, for example political freedom
that affects everyone, economic freedoms that affects everyone,
etc.  an aside I believe the most oppressed and I mean the
absolute bottom in  terms of equality in the US is the
black man.

And BTW Robert I am happy you retracted your previous statement,
I appreciate that.

Take it easy
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Peter Mwaniki,	       	            e_mail: pmwanik@scdt.intel.com
From: hcrabtre@willamette.edu (Heidi Crabtree)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south african schools Jo'burg
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr13.222918.23102
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR


	I have a friend looking for information about South African schools,
because he was an exchange student there for a year (1988-89).  Curious to
find out what's going on or as he says "Howzit?" and wondering the current
value of Zevenvacht Wine Shares.  Also if Charles Glass is still first in
brewing class?  Who's going to win the curry cup? How's life in the Jo'burg
night life?  Does Spats still exist? Kan julle praat Afrikaans?  

Please reply to Lenglet@Willamette.Jupiter.edu

Thanks in Advance!

Heidi
Hcrabtre@Willamette.Jupiter.edu
From: HCRABTRE@WILLAMETTE.JUPITER.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: South African Townships and Homelands
Summary: need info on numbers of, size and location of townships & homelands
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr14.031243.4878
Organization: Willamette University


	Does anyone know where to look to find information on South African
Townships and Homelands?  I am interested in finding out how may of each there
are, how big are they, and their location.  I am also confused on the
governing systems in each.  I have read that under the aparteid system the
homelands are supposed to be progressing into a state of self governance.  I
know Trankei and a few others have done this.  What is the nature of their
governments and how autonomous are they?  I have also heard that the townships
have virtually no government.  Is this true?  where would I look to find more
information on the subject?

	Any help greatly appreciated!

		Heidi

HCRABTRE@WILLAMETTE.JUPITER.EDU
From: joe@pluto.sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Afrikaner Translation Help Needed...
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:50:30 GMT
Reply-To: joe@pluto.sybase.com ()
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Hi. If there are any Afrikaner speakers out there who
would help me translate a sentence from english, I
would be most grateful. Please email me or call.
joe

Joseph Weinstein  Sybase - 1650 65th Street, Emeryville Ca 94608
		  joe@sybase.com   sun!sybase!joe   510-596-3620
Disclaimer:	  This might not even be *my* opinion! I may have
		  changed my mind.
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Malawi, german government rejects o'
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:45:15 GMT

/* Written 12:07 am  Apr 16, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "MALAWI: German government rejects o" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Area: Trade & Finance
Title: MALAWI: German government rejects opposition call to freeze aid


bonn, apr 13 (ips) -- a german government official monday rejected
a call by the opposition social democratic party (spd) to freeze
development aid to malawi in protest against the arrest of a
malawian trade union leader last week.

malawian security officials whisked off opposition leader
chakufwa chihana to an unknown destination when he returned from a
trip to zambia and south africa last monday. chihana is secretary-
general of the southern african trade union coordinating council.

''the arrest of chihana and 11 of his associates is an act of a
regime which does not wish to understand that for african despots,
time has run out,'' guenter verheugen, the spd's deputy foreign
policy spokesman in parliament, said in a statement monday.

he urged the german government and other european community
member states to freeze development aid to malawi and ''not to
approve any further assistance unless the government of that
country is prepared to abide by fundamental human rights''.

verheugen's call followed an appeal by spd development policy
spokesman ingomar hauchler to the malawian government on friday to
''immediately release'' chihana.

hauchler regretted that 90-year-old malawian president hastings
banda, in power for the last 28 years, had declined to take ''even
the smallest steps towards democracy''.

''(banda) has threatened to throw the opposition as fodder for
crocodiles,'' said hauchler.

wolfgang kanera, official spokesman of the german aid ministry,
told ips monday the ministry would have a ''close look'' at the
issue.

''but as a matter of policy, we do not resort to any measures
which end up penalising the people instead of governments -- after
all, that is what freezing development assistance will amount
to,'' said kanera.

germany currently supports 72 projects aimed at combating
poverty in malawi. it earmarked 83 million marks (51.8 million
dollars) in financial aid and 27 million marks (16.8 million
dollars) in technical aid in 1989. it also approved additional aid
worth 14.5 million marks (nine million dollars).
(end/ips/cd/raj/ln/92)