HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elwin@uxbridge.media.mit.edu (Lee W Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Transportation
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:09:58 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep10.215805.16376@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.174759.20588@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep9.232655.712@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
|> >
|> >	[suggests importing Japanese railroad technology...]
|> >
|> >	This (presumed) economic and technological nationalist
|> >concedes defeat...
|> 
|> What is Petrich babbling about?  His mind reader is broken.  Nothing
|> in my posting concedes defeat or espouses nationalism.
|> 
|> The claim was that MagLev technology works.  If it does, let's buy it.
|> If it isn't ready to buy, then the MagLev folks need a true claim.
|> 
|> I like trains, but that doesn't mean that they can do anything I'd
|> like to have them do.  Petrich is offended that I'd suggest testing
|> one of the train myths.  If Petrich really wants to argue that the
|> truth wrt trains doesn't matter ....
|> 
|> >>As long as efficient public transportation has to be subsidized by
|> >>supposedly less efficient automobile use ....
|> >
|> >	If you are talking about the gas tax, I think it's just to
|> >give a stable source of funding.
|> 
|> Giggle.  If mass transit worked in the US, fares would be a stable
|> and adequate source of funding.
|> 
|> >	Actually, cars in America are subsidized pretty heavily.
|> 
|> Yeah right.  I note that the "subsidies" listed are PAID by car users,
|> and car users alone; it's just that they're not paid through the gas
|> tax.
|> 
|> I especially like the "free parking" subsidy.  The places that put in
|> "free parking" sure seem to think that the biz that results is worth
|> it, and "free parking" is a selling point to car-users only.
|> 
|> -andy
|> --

   Well, one key cost that's not charged to gas users is the cost of
environmental damage. Last september's Scientific American had an
interesting article about how standard accounting practices entirely
neglect environmental values or damages.
						- Lee Campbell
From: jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Military service...
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Distribution: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt) writes:
# larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:

# >Since military service is apparently so relevant and so admired by all
# >Dittoheads everywhere, would anyone care to comment on the Rush Limbaugh's
# >own record on this issue? Did Rush see combat in Vietnam? How did he serve
# >his country? Was he every 1A? 4F? ROTC? What then?
# 
# 	I seem to recall that he was 4F, courtesy of a pylenidal (sp?) cyst.

I'd like to see Rush go 10 rounds with "Trick Knee" Buchanan, another of
America's great fighting men.

John
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: TV show commercials
Summary: Anyone seen his commercials yet?
Keywords: Rush Limbaugh, commercials
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:46:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Just wondering if everyone out there has seen any of the commercials for
his TV show yet. I recently saw his commercial with him supposedly
kept in some parcel service storage facility where everything was labeled
"Rush." At the end of the commercial this very oddly shaped package
is rolled to a place in the room where there is a microphone with muffled
sounds of Rush emanating from the package. Pretty funny commercial. Any
other spots out there?

To Attebury at KU:
WRDC TV28 (NBC affiliate): 12Noon starting Sep 14.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck (Duke BME '93)		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
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I'm too busy for my mail, too busy for my news, too busy for my life.
I'm too busy for this .sig. 
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:53:17 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep9.153704.19033@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep9.120715.16501@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>>>In a startling change of events this morning, my newspaper actually
>>>had a (short) paragraph on a recent Clinton faux pas.  
>>>
>>>Seems at a campaign stop he railed on the big spending we were doing
>>>on military weapons systems and brought up the Patriot which "can fly
>>>through doors and down chimineys."  Hmmmm.  Probably just an honest
>>>mistake from somebody who doesn't know a good offense from a bad
>>>defense...
>>>
>
>>And then Quayle screwed up in criticizing Clinton...saying that
>>it was "cruise" missiles that could perform these feats...
>
>>Gerald
>
>The sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missile *can* do these things.  It
>was one of our foremost "smart" weapons.  Do you remember the reporters
>in Baghdad commenting on the Tomahawk coming down the street and 
>"making a right at the intersection."?  These missiles can be accurate
>to within a few feet.

Re: Turning right at the intersection.  Is this a slight exaggeration, or artistic license on the part of the reporter?  If you're going, what, 800MPH,
and you hang a right on Elm, how many G's are you going to pull?

<and here, we pull many more G's than is safe, and zoom into a silly,
silly argument>

The reference by both Clinton and Quayle was not to the cruise
missiles, for which we didn't have the pretty pictures on CNN, but the
laser-guided bombs.

>
>Does an anti-Quayle bias come through loud and clear on this one?  If
>they had given him the benefit of the doubt, they could have researched
>it a little more.  But since they are so quick to criticize him, they
>look a little foolish themselves.
>
>-- 
>
>Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
>jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 


--
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:39:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.071151.14174@leela.cs.orst.edu> chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen) writes:
>For some reason left out of this discussion so far:
>What makes Quayle's draft record less agreeable to some people than Clinton's
>is that it seems to be in conflict with his stated opinions about the war.

	And what's more, according to _Airhead Apparent_, Dan Quayle's
National Guard service was of a very cushy sort. He had received three
months of training to be a welder, yet an opening appeared in the NG's
Office of Public Information just in time so he wouldn't have to do
any serious blue-collar labor. So he had this cushy desk job which
involved work on the NG's official magazine, though no article ever
appeared under his byline.

	I guess our good friend Rush Limbaugh would consider Quayle a
noble patriot for this kind of "service". :-)

>Quayle was/is (?) apparently supportive of the Vietnam War and its purposes.

	That's absolutely right. He was obnoxiously pro-war. Yet he
did not contribute anything direct to fighting it, and given his
opposition to taxation (ever good conservative hates taxes, right?),
he was apparently opposed to his _indirectly_ supporting it.

	So who was worse? Someone who tried to avoid military service
that he didn't like or someone who was gung-ho about the war but who
didn't want to contribute anything serious to fighting it?

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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: realism & the deficit
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:24:15 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep11.175342.11514@Csli.Stanford.EDU> mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>In a *very* tasteful piece of journalism on Nightline last night, Ted
>Koppel talked with Senators Sam Nunn and James (?) Danforth about the
>country's possibly most important problem: the deficit. 

Does anyone know how to order a transcript from this show?
Please post if so, and crosspost to misc.invest and sci.econ.
Thanks!

--
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Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Appeals to Hate
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:06:01 GMT
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.

In article <1921@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
>In article <aaiken.716137836@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
    aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken) writes:
>
>->	I am surprised that no one remarked on this board about a 
>->comment made by Bill Clinton on Labor Day in Independence, Mo.  
>->After stating the "fact" that the "richest" 1 per cent "controls"
>->more wealth than the "poorest" 90 per cent, he said that this election
>->is about "the rich versus everyone else."   I suppose that with 
>->Time-Warner as a major contributor to those forward-looking young men
>->who are eminently deserving of titular as well as moral authority,
>->"everyone else" must be precisely the target of Clinton's vengance.
>->Maybe Clinton should lecture an out-of-work maker of luxury boats 
>->about the necessity of class warfare.
>
> Good Point. What I want to know is - Why dosent the Media label Clinton as
>     a Rich Basher ? Is it because it dosent have a nice ring to it ?

Rich Basher?  Wasn't he one of the Sex Pistols?

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An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)

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They'll be calling you a radical   So you can be their dependable
A liberal, fanatical criminal      Respectable, presentable vegetable
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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Suburbs swing to Clinton in Time magazine poll
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:18:09 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Sep9.154423.23563@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.mwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
->In article <1906@celia.UUCP>, steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:
->>  So, is this why polls are radically differing in results. The popular at 
->> random polls show a very close race, and the selected (key county) polls
->> are showing a greater than 10 percentage point Clinton advantage ?
->> Obviously, ****the people selecting the key counties are selecting ones with
->> a built in bias. Finally an answer for the chaos*****.
->> 
->WRONG,
->Hey read down alittle;
->	"The counties were chosen based on answers from the Clinton and Bush
-> campaigns earlier this year, with at least 20 percent of the voters in
-> each county considered highly independent."

 Answers to what questions ? I want a county that is greater than 50 percent
independent polled. These counties might have been 20 % independent 50 %
democratic and 30 % republican. Every county has a built in bias. If they
use key counties to do polling, they must report the counties prior voting
record.
 Actually the main thrust of my post was really the following
  How many polls are only polling selected key counties ?
  Why arent we told that a particular poll was subjected to key county selec-
 tion? Obviously I wasnt referring to the poll mentioned in the original post.
 I was referring to all the other polls which do not mention how the poll data
 was taken.

 Steve Tyree - These opinion are mine and mine alone.
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.193756.29264@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
>There is certainly a difference between oration and statesmanship.  The
>Quayle bashers have equated the two but I do not.  Great orators of 
>history have include such people as Hitler and Churchill but the underlying
>value system of the two was vastly different.  

Huh?  I don't remember any Quayl-basher equating "oration" and
"statesmanship".  In fact, most of us are strongly OPPOSED to
any such equation:  witness our constant ridicule of
Ronald Reagan, the greatest proponent of style over substance
in recent American politics.  Most of us see Dan-o as
the anti-intellectual heir to RR:  the same vacuousness,
none of the charm.

>If the people want an orator then Quayle is not their man.  Perhaps you
>prefer demagogues to statesmen.

If the only choice left to the USA is Quayle vs. demagogues,
then I'll take a deep draft of cyanide kool-aid.

>
>Mike Best


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: American Nazis are not Democrats
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:44:01 GMT

In article <1961@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.184555.7814@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>>	Well, in spite of the socialist roots of Nazism, the American Nazi
>>Party and the KKK are much closer to the GOP then the Democratic party.
>>I would expect that the average modern Nazi would consider the Dems to
>>be the epitomy of ZOG. (I notice that David Duke wasn't a democrat).
>
> Thats funny. I thought that David Duke tried to run for President as a
>Democrat once ? Also, hows that fine democratic senator Byrd doing these
>days. Alex, you have provided an excellent example of Liberal Paintism.

	Duke may have run as a democrat, but he wasn't promoting democratic
ideals at the time. Much of Dukes platform (sans racist rhetoric) turned
up in Speeches by Pat Buchannan, and many people were talking about "right
message, wrong messanger".

	Have you ever met a Real American Nazi Steve? They're xenophibic,
racist and often violent, and definately not socialist. They complain
about how the Jews run everything, the blacks suck us dry with welfare and
afirmative action and how the liberals just want to give them more. They
want less immigration (and get rid of the foriegners that are already here),
a christian nation (get rid of the jews and the ragheads) and tough moral
restrictions (get rid of the faggots and perverts). Does this sound like
the Democratic party platform to you?



-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
 nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God"
                                     - George Herbert Walker Bush, Feb 1989 
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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.news-media,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:59:09 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <6222@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
->I suppose that if you don't think life should be at least partly fun, you
->will never understand why Democrats find Quayle so irresistable. When
->the political opponent makes a practice of going onto stages before large
->audiences, throwing banana peels onto the floor and then slipping on them,
->laughter becomes as hard to forestall as hunger or any other natural
->impulse.

 Are you trying to say that Liberal Democrates dont make these gaffs to ?
A comedian could fund his entire career by making fun of what Ted Kennedy
and Mario Cuomo says. Rush Limbaugh seems to be the only popular media
soul who has decided to become rich doing it.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: RICKERJP@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton's Nobel winning laureates
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:24:15 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21




    By the way, it is important to observe a distinction which even
economists make themselves between positive and normative economics.
Positive economics tries to understand mechanisms and explore consequences
of behavior whereas normative economics makes policy recommendations.
Roughly, positive is descriptive, normative is prescriptive.

    The list of economists who are said to have endorsed Clinton's
plan has yet to appear, but I would be interested to see whether _any_
of them got their Nobel prizes for normative (rather than positive)
economics.


John Rickert
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Appeals to Hate
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:30:30 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <nate.550@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
> aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken) writes:
> >       I am surprised that no one remarked on this board about a
> >comment made by Bill Clinton on Labor Day in Independence, Mo.
> >After stating the "fact" that the "richest" 1 per cent "controls"
> >more wealth than the "poorest" 90 per cent, he said that this election
> >is about "the rich versus everyone else."
>
>     I dunno Andrew. Sounds like "Greed" to me.
>

Sounds like envy and jealousy to me.

> --
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> Psychology Department               Indiana University
> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Right-wingers attack immigrant backers
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.115842.7092@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:

>>The original post says Right-wingers and neo-Nazis.
>>The original post does not say Right-wingers == neo-Nazis.
>>But thank you Steve for your opinions that are yours and your alone.
>
>Why are you surprised that he made this connection?  Liberals and
>the press are constantly equating the two.  It's a well-known fact
>that the far end of the right-wing spectrum is Nazism.  How this
>tremendous leap of logic was ever carried out, I have no idea, but
>it has been an extremely good political tool used by liberals.

	Well, in spite of the socialist roots of Nazism, the American Nazi
Party and the KKK are much closer to the GOP then the Democratic party.
I would expect that the average modern Nazi would consider the Dems to
be the epitomy of ZOG. (I notice that David Duke wasn't a democrat).


-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
 nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God"
                                     - George Herbert Walker Bush, Feb 1989 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: aaiken@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew C. Aiken)
Subject: Re: Suburbs swing to Clinton (Goose Liver)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:28:42 GMT

In <1992Sep9.215027.18476@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.mwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:


>Stevie,  do you really think that Time Magazine would willfully conduct a
>bad poll,  for what purpose?  If the election is close, or if Bush is
>winning and Time magazine knows about it yet continues to fudge the data to
>make it look as if Clinton were winning,  what would happen to the
>crdiability, the sales and the advertising of Time after the election?

>The ultimate test of a poll is repeatability,  and as long as the poll data
>from different poll taking companies gives you the same information;  Bush
>is very unpopular,  you will have a hard time proving otherwise until
>someone else confirms
>you.

	I would argue that there is no such thing as a good poll.  Polls
are interesting, but they have become instruments by which the effectiveness
of policy is measured, the result being ineffective policy and an $11
trillion debt.  Christopher Hitchens wrote an article in Harper's several
months back about how the American political process has been debased by
polls.  He pointed out that polls were first used by the opponents of
the early twentieth century Progressive Movement -- as propaganda.  
	Behind every poll there is the implicit assumption about the
correctness of democratic ideology.  That is, a poll states, in numbers    
rather than in words, that if a "people" desire say, a nationalized health 
care system, then its rulers are remiss or cruel for not providing it.  This
manifestation of direct democracy undermines, as did the populist Savaronola,
the edifice of liberty.
 	In an earlier day, when Opinion reigned with a lighter hand, we
had better candidates than now.  Coke or Pepsi?  Bush or Clinton?  Who
shall be the steward of our nation's decline into yet more elaborate
(and elaborately justified) barbarisms?   But what is to be expected, man
being but one of many animals.  There is an animal named Goose:
with its wings it glides with a certain majesty.  The old wives' tale tells
that if a chalk circle is drawn around it, it will stay therein, and starve,
or fatten if fed.  Its legs and wings atrophy, and it becomes.......
Pate de Foie Gras, much prized by some!  

	
Andrew Aiken