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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: advice on scanners wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:52:20 GMT

In article <01SEP92.14194487.0087@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:
> In article <17145@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> >Howdy.  I'm finally contemplating buying a scanner, mostly for
> >train-watching.  Any suggested models to look for or avoid?

> I have seen no follow-ups to this posting.  I too would like
> answers to the same questions.

Most of the discussion has taken place on alt.radio.scanner.  In fact,
people are asking that question every day there, it seems...  The
two hot models are the Uniden Bearcat 200xlt and the Radio Shack PRO-43.
They're roughly comparable, with the PRO-43 having (in my opinion) a
small though worthwhile (for me) edge.  It is, however, more expensive.
The major band of interest for train-spotting is 160-162 Mhz; however,
some roads use the 800 Mhz band, including one of interest to me.
For that reason, I ruled out the Bearcat 100xlt.  That one also has
fewer channels; I don't think that would be a problem for a railfan
who doesn't travel much, but I'm not sure.  Naturally, a lot would
depend on how many roads you wanted to monitor.

The lower-priced Radio Shack models are also worth considering; opinion
on alt.radio.scanner seems to be that they're generally high-quality
products.  (I don't think I'm reading too much into various comments.)
The 1993 catalog has a chart showing the different features at a glance.
Important note -- there are mail-order places that sell Radio Shack
scanners at considerably less than retail list.  For example, the
PRO-43 is shown as $350 in the catalog; I just ordered one for $275,
shipping included.

Some people suggest avoiding AOR scanners; they're said to be ``quirky'',
and perhaps a bit buggy, though they do have some uncommon features.

I received some recommendations for the Regency line; apparently, though,
Uniden has bought them out.

If you're interested in the 200xlt or the PRO-43, wander over to
alt.radio.scanner -- Bob Parnass has just posted a detailed chart
comparing the two.  He's also written detailed reviews of both; if
folks are interested, I'll ask his permission to repost them.
For me, the deciding factors were the battery types (the PRO-43 takes
AA cells as well as NiCads, an advantage both for long days and for
intermittent users) and the frequency storage -- the PRO-43 uses EEPROM,
so the memory is non-volatile if the batteries die.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: eoliver@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Eddie Oliver)
Subject: Re: What is an interlocking? (was: Signal type)
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:20:27 GMT

In article <2418@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac) writes:
>Sorry, this is incorrect. Controlling signals remotely from
>more than one location would be the antithesis of safeworking,
>and defeats the concept of an interlocking. The definition of
>
>  [parts deleted]
>
>In order to provide proper safety, conditions controlled at
>one interlocking machine may need to be known (but not controlled)
>at another machine. This will happen often when the trackage
>controlled is in proximity, as happens on closely-spaced
>subway trackage.


I don't want to turn this into a semantic debate, but I disagree. Control
of one signal by more than one location is common at least in British and
Australian practice.

The process called "slotting" was devised quite early in the history of
mechanical signalling to enable dual control, in the sense that a signal
could only be cleared if two (or more) different signalmen (= operators in
American parlance) had both reversed the respective levers. Sometimes this
was done in quite an extensive way, so that a sequence of signals all had
dual (or multiple) control.

This has progressed from mechanical slotting to the electrical equivalent,
which is obviously easily achieved with relays (or electronics). The
system will not permit the signal to clear until ALL the controlling
levers have been reversed.

A typical case is the control of single line sections where there is a
signal box (= tower) at each end of the section. The starting signals for
entry to the single line are jointly controlled, so the agreement of the
operators at both ends is necessary to admit a train to the section.

This is obviously a simple way (preferably with track circuiting as well)
to ensure 
non-conflict on single lines without use of primitive methods such as
staffs.

It was also used extensively in manual block signalling on double lines,
where the starting signal for one signal box could be a home signal for
the next (for instance). These arrangements can even exist in more modern
installations, where it is desired to give control to more than one
location - e.g. the one signal may protect a crossing in one territory
while also being the entry signal to another.

I realise that the previous poster conceded that sometimes the state of one
interlocking needs to be known but not controlled by another. My point is
that the situation is often completely symmetrical, with one location having
no more and no less control than another.

Eddie Oliver
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Death Announcement: SEPTA Trolleys in North Philadelphia
Keywords: trolley, transit, USA
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:07:54 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug28.140638.10895@ryn.mro4.dec.com> pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
> 
> urrrrrmmmm   Is it possible reports of the death are premature?
> 
> If this is the same item i saw on the newswire, it said the trolleys were
> replaced by buses and trackless trolleys ONLY AFTER SEPTA(?) _promised_ to get
> new LRV's online within 2(?) years.
> 
> Now, promises have been broken, but its not (on the face of it) "the end".

Was there some fine print saying "subject to obtaining a stable funding base"?

Since this has been a traditional SEPTA problem, it would come as no surprise
if restoring trolley service turned into "someday soon, maybe never".
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: Reqest
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: Ware River Central Massachusetts
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:20:33

In article <10042@jthome.uucp> dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler) writes:

    Can anybody give some info. on the "Ware River Branch" of the B&M?

The so-called "Ware River RR" was actually part of the Boston & Albany.
It was a branch extending North from Palmer, MA towards Winchendon, MA
(I think).  Another B&A branch north from Palmer vanished under the Quabbin
Reservoir in the 30s.

The Central Mass. RR (owned by the B&M in later years) ran from Boston
to Northampton, MA via Waltham, Clinton, Wheelwright and Amherst.  In
a cost- cutting move (perhaps motivated by flood damage), the B&M
scrapped some of the original RoW and shifted onto trackage rights on
the CV (south of Amherst) and the B&A/NYC (near Wheelwright).  The
through route never had much traffic, and got cut by a flood east of
Wheelwright in the 30s.  The bridge at Northampton is fragile (it
still stands).  The east end had passenger service into the '70s (to
South Sudbury), but the whole line is abandoned now.

The B&M RRHS has a tape of steam commuter operations between Boston and
Clinton in the mid-50s.  A book called something like "The Central Mass.
RR" was published in the '70s.  Finding someone with a complete collection
of the B&M RRHS's "B&M Bulletin" magazine will get you more pictures, etc.

James B. VanBokkelen		26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA  01880
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (617) 246-0900  fax: (617) 246-0901

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: N Y Crossharbor RR
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:05:51 GMT

In article <BtyqEn.4D0@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v106qhlw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Poster Child Against Meal Plan) writes:
 
>
>Two requests:
>First, what was the name of the magazine that had the article in it about the
>NYCRR?  Was it 'railpace'?  If that is it, my university doesn't seem to have
>it... any idea where i might find it?
>
>Also, who knows about that blue caboose that's just sitting north of the old
>yard for the Bay Ridge Line?  Definitely (maybe) it's crossharbor's... saw a
>water tank toppled over from the window that had NY Crossharbor RR stenciled
>onto it.
>
>mark foggin
 
Request # 2:  Don't know.
 
Request # 1:  RAILPACE NEWSMAGAZINE
              September 1992 issue
              Publisher: Railpace Newsmagazine
                         PO Box 927
                         Piscataway NJ 08855
              Editor: Tom Nemeth
 
              THE BEST railfan magazine (IMHO).  No, I'm not a part owner,
 just an avid reader!
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Vancouver to Seattle by Amtrak
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:44:37 GMT

		Vancouver-Seattle by Amtrak

	So it appears that this is another new Amtrak service which we may 
in a year or so. I know that Amtrak used to run on this route in the 1970s.
Does anyone have a timetable of this route? Just curious to know the stops.
I suppose Bellingham would be one.
	We can expect a lot of Vancouverites going cross-border shopping 
on this train.
From: jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Signal type (was: Re: Semaphore Signals)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:03:26 GMT
Organization: Washington University,  St Louis MO

In article <1992Aug30.011922.5091@gw.wmich.edu> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>My NORAC rulebook I have(Conrail,Amtrak, and others) shows a signal which
>is probably their version. It looks like this:
> ___          
>/y  \   y|  | /\ 
>| y |    |  |/ /
>\  y/    A  y_/
> ---     |  |
>  |      |  A
>  y      |  |
>  |      |  |
>

Yes this is it.

[Fred: look in your Chessie or CSX rulebook]
The B&O version of this is a lunar lamp with a fixed semaphore.

>It's rule 293c and says Approach Restricting, and it's indication is
>Proceed prepared to stop at hand-operated switches and at the next signal.
>Trains exceeding Medium Speed must begin reduction to Medium speed as soon
>as the engine passes the Approach Restricting signal. NOTE: Does not convey
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>block or track information.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is a very important distinction emphasising that this is a true 
distant signal (unusual in the US these days), and unlike other 
(combination home/distant) signals ONLY repeats the (home) interlocking
signal.  There is no indication of the track between the signal and the
interlocking and the engineer cannot assume that the track is clear
based on the signal (there will be other ways to make this assumption)

>There is also an Approach Clear, which is Rule 293b, which says Proced. NOTE:
>Does not conver block or track information. It looks the same, except
>the it doesn't show the Pennsy-style signal, and the yellow is replaced
>with green(of course the blade is pointing up also)

There are two types of distants: the fixed approach as described before,
and the one that repeats a home signal.

--
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                472 Wheelers Farms Rd. MS93           jpgs@watson.vnet.ibm.com
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From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Washington Metro Unfinished Segments
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:26:44 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu


The segment of Green line from Ft. Totten to Greenbelt is set to open in  
mid 1993 and is largely completed.
From: larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Paul Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: K B & S     What is it ?????????????
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:27:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Aug28.015804.5083@gw.wmich.edu> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <8152@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, stnd@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson) writes:
>301,312,321 RS11 from Norfolk and Western
>315         C420 from Louisville and Nashville

There is a good possibility that this is an ex-Monon C420 but don't quote
me on it.

Just to supplement what the good Mr. Ochs typed.  The line from Swanington
IN to Lafayette was just purchased and reopened about 3 years ago.  This 
section of the KB&S used to be the joint line of the Big Four and the
Nickel Plate (Peoria Division).  The connection to Lafayette is there mainly
to deliver grain cars to A.E. Staley in Latayette.  There are probably 2 
trains a week for this and they usually come in the afternoon.  The line
is also used for car storage in order to generate more revenue.  Right now
there is a unit coal train (PROX reporting marks), a string of wood chip
hoppers, some ex-DTI piggyback flats, and many old NAHX grain cars.

Paul Larsen
larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: scott@Cadence.COM (Scott Gustafson)
Subject: Re: STAMPS: 1954 Christmas seals
Reply-To: scott@cadence.com
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:06:43 GMT

In <1992Aug17.190438.23560@udel.edu> galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska) writes:

>My girlfriend has come across what looks like a full sheet of 1954 Christmas
>seals in a box of old greeting cards.  The sheet has full gum on the back, 
>although one of the corner stamps has its outside corner a bit nicked.

>Can anyone out there tell me what the catalogue value for this would be?  
>And, of course, if anyone is interested in purchasing said sheet, let me know.

The Christmas seal is Scott number WX168, WX169, WX170 depending on the perf.
of 13, 12.5, or 11.  The value for each block of four has the minimum value
printable in the Scott catalog of $0.15.  Price is for seals with original gum.
Designer - Jorgen Hansen. Sales $24,670,202.

scott
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Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: tom1@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.litwin)
Subject: Wanted: Ryan DonRuss/coke
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:09:41 GMT

I am in need of a few Nolan Ryan Donruss/Coca Cola cards.

Here is my Want List...  2,9,12,13,15,18,20

I have #23 & #24 extra to trade, but I'm also willing to purchase
the balance at a reasonable price.

Tom Litwin
let@mvuxd.att.com
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Re:  McDonald/Donruss Baseball Cards
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:00:42 GMT
Organization: Boeing

Stopped by one of the stores at lunch to see how many of the MacMVP
cards wer left...  They have 22 packs at $1.50 each and a few sets of
the gold leaf cards, but no full sets anymore...  I suspect, however,
that they won't be too hard to find.

Rick

-- 
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                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.
From: coop@think.com (paul cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: CARDS:Looking for trades
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:00:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: sapphire.9209031659.AA15972
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

Anyone looking to trade?

I'm trying to complete the following sets:

89,90,91 BOWMAN
91,92 DONRUSS
90 DONRUSS GRANDSLAMMERS
89,90,91 TOPPS
92 TOPPS GOLD WINNERS
91 TOPPS BAZOOKA SHINING STARS
89,92 UPPER DECK
92 UPPER DECK
90,91,92 LEAF
88,91 SCORE 
92 SCORE SERIES II
92 FLEER
92 STADIUM CLUB
Any pre 1990 cards

     I have doubles in:

89,90,91,92 Donruss
89,90,91 Bowman
89,90,91,92 Topps
92 Topps Gold Winners
91 Topps Bazooka Stars
90,91,92 Upper Deck
91,92 Upper Deck Ext.
91,92 Fleer
91 Leaf
91 O-Pee-Cee
91,92 Score 
91,92 Stadium
91 Topps Achives




                                        coop
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: eddie@acpy01.att.com (Eddie Adamko (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Re: Cards: Auction Update (8/25 - 3:30 p.m.)
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:39:49 GMT


Sorry to use up net space, Todd I can't seem to get thru to your site. I've
beem tyring to bid for  a week now, with no luck.

In article <8815@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> tgrimes@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Grimes) writes:
>
>No minimun bid required.
>***LOT 8 **********************************************************
>DON MATTINGLY 					J.Bollinger 2.50
>  85 Topps #665    91 Leaf #425
>  88 Donruss #217  91 Donruss #107					      
>***LOT 14 **********************************************************
>DON MATTINGLY					M.Smith     1.00
> 92 Fleer Team LDR (1 of 20)
>********************************************************************


Please put me in on LOT#8 for $3.00
PLease put me in on LOT#14 for #1.50

Thanks Eddie

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From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: CARDS: Comic Ball 2 cards to trade
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:20:48 EDT
Organization: Science Applications Intl. Corp., Dayton, Ohio

	If anyone is collecting Upper Deck Comic Ball 2 cards and wants to
trade, contact me via e-mail at ake@dayton.saic.com.


-Earle
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Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: tengck@eecs.nwu.edu (Chuen-Kwong Teng)
Subject: CARDS: auction update (West, Spidey, Front Row...)
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:59:30 GMT

Hi, this is the Sept. 4 update, my next update would be on Tuesday.  Thanks to
those who bid and good luck!


Hi, I am going to try my own auction to sell some of my extras.  The auction 
would have no deadline.  Any lot that has not been bid on for a week will be
considered sold to the highest bidder.  The famous going once, going twice will
be marked in a two-day interval (only Monday thru Friday count as days).  The
auction will be updated once every two days.  Please increase your bids in $1.00
intervals.  Bidders will be notified about highest bid info.  Thanks and happy
bidding!!


Lot No.	Description				Min Bid	  Hi Bid
==============================================================================
1	UD Heroes of Basketball Header Card	$12.00    $15.00  TFOX
	hard to find hot header card (mint)		  ***going once***
							  ***going twice***

2 	Spiderman II Prism card P-10 Creating	$ 8.00    $ 9.00  Jay Pinkos
	30th Anniversary Prism card, tough to		  ***going once***
	find.  Seen at shows for $15.00 (mint)

4	Front Row basketball update silver set  $20.00
	cards are numbered 51-100 which is the
	update to the 1-50 draft pick set they
	have.  Only 3,000 silver set produced!!
	Set is factory sealed with certificate
	of authenticity saying the set is no.
	244 of 3,000.  Set is priced $25.00 in
	Front Row catalog for club members only.

5 	Front Row promo card featuring a 2-card $ 5.00
	strip of Larry Johnson and Steve Smith
	the back proclaims the strip as a
	promotional product with only 25,000
	made.


John
tengck@delta.eecs.nwu.edu
From: davisson@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: cards for sale.
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:26:25 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I have a pro set Desert Storm Box of cards and a pro set Music superstars for
sale.  I will take the higest price for each of them plus shipping and
handling. I also have lot of commons and some stars for sale in
Basketball,Baseball,and Football. Send me a list of cards you want and the
price you are willing to pay and I will get back to you.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Re: STAMPS: USA #C2 sale/trade
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:23:28 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore) writes:


>By the way...I'd say that this stamp is not mint/lightly hinged...it's
>mint/very lightly hinged.

Let's not invent new descriptions when they are not needed. MINT/NH is what is 
used for untouched/unused stamps since they left the post office counter. 

Anything else is simply MINT and assumed to have been hinged but have full 
gum.

MINT stamps without gum should specifically state so as they may be of little 
value as a mint stamp in that condition. Exceptions are those stamps that have 
debilitating gum which must be removed to save the stamp. Such stamps are 
clearly identified in catalogs.

fred
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