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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: (DCI East) Re: performances in the MidAtlantic region...
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:12:51 GMT
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Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <3019@cvbnetPrime.COM> jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach x4365 5-2) writes:
>The DCE regional is usually sometime in mid July. It's been held in
>Allentown a number of times. I think it was at the Meadowlands last year,
>but I could be thinking of another show.....
>
>-Jeff
DCI East in Allentown is August 1, Sat.  DCI has a toll free number to
order tickets and get info.

1-800-344-2772

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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: altered CDs
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:20:44 GMT
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From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)

> Nothing like that is said in the recordings. However, this explicit question
> was asked in the "Ask DCI" column in DCI Today. Don P., executive director of
> DCI, clearly and unambiguously said that what's on the top 12 recordings are
> *finals* performances and are never altered. I can probably dig it up if you
> like; it was a rather amazing statement for him to utter, since it can be so
> easily refuted.

I don't remember it stated that way at all.  The way I remember it, he
said that typically the recordings have always been considered a souvenir
to remember finals by, but lately with the level
of performances so much higher than in the past, they've had to reconsider
that.  Clearly, the performances of 1989 BD, 1987 Troopers, and one
of the Cadets (can't remember which) are not from finals.  I think that
what was used were entire performances of a prior evening.  Personally, I
think that is a *good* thing.  Why not try to get the best possible
recording?  If a corps is "off" during finals (as is often the case), then
I'm all for showing them on a more flattering night.  In the case of
1989 BD and 1987 Troopers, it would be awful to subject the poor soloist
to repeated playback of such an awful memory.  They should let
the corps director decide which performance will go on the CD.  The only
people who could possibly prefer to *force* the muffed solo to go on the
CD are those who dislike that particular corps, and get a "kick" out of
hearing them screw up.  That's not why most of us buy the CDs.
                                                          Scott
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:33:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr12.213327.24107
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr9.163101.28930@cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>My Hs Band (Westlake High school in austin texas) marched to "Phantom of the
>Opera" in 88 when SCV did it. We took several drills from them and we went to 
>the MBA regionals and one of the GE judes was a drill writer for SCV and he
>said he wanted to keep the video of our performance because the music we
>used was basically the same as SCV and we had a few twists in our drill such as
>the company front at the end was straight and not diagonally across the field.
>also we added a 3/2 measure before the company front moved forward. Well,
>lo and behold next year in 1989, SCV shows up with that move we used...
>
>Omar Zaidi

Congrats on a great accomplishment on the season!  However, without sounding
like I'm raining on your parade, I just listened to the '88 SCV show and the
extra beat before the front (it was in common time, wouldn't that would make
it a 5/4 measure?) is indeed in their show.  Regardless, wherever they got the
idea to put the diagonal front straight, I'm glad they did.  The diag. front
was poorly concieved IMHO.  Pat your director on the back for that!

Dave
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From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:18:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr14.101820.23670
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..

The stadium in KC is one of the best.  Not only are the seating and acustics
good, but the turf is a joy to march on.  For those of you marching this
year, you will be in for a pleasant surprise in Madison.  The stadium got
new turf when they hired Barry Alverez as football coach.  It isn't the
ultimate marching turf, but still good, and it beats the hell out of the
concrete that was there.

Dave

Trivia:  Which stadium(s?) has the largest grandstand (ie front side line)
seating capacity goal to goal and end line to end line?  Extra credit, which
stadium has the largest total capicity?  I won't ask for numbers, since I
can't remember, but include them if you know....

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Division of Slave Labor
From: clark@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Clark Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: assymetrical drill
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:41:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>The legend that got passed down to me was that SCV 1980 was the first
>corps to do a largely assymetrical drill show.  That year they did
>Procession of the Nobles, Stone Ground Seven, Evita, and Jupiter.
>Legend has it they had the judges completely baffled and that was
>the reason the ended in 7th place.
------------
SCV marched a Very young corps in 1980. The drill execution was not really
good enough to support a new concept in drill design. c.f. the difference in
placement for 27th in '79 & '80 when nearly identical (Zingali) shows were
performed.

Nevertheless, I too felt that Gail's corps should have gotten more credit
for their show.

		-- Clark

If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be Art.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: 1988 Madison Scouts played Malaguena 
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:15:00 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <70026@ut-emx.uucp> pball@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pablo Cantu) writes:
>
>Does anyone remember which DCI band played and won the CHAMPIONSHIP with Malaguena, I think it was in 1988, but I am not sure.  I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out here.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>pablo
 Yes,the answer is the Madison Scouts, who came from behind and beat
everyone at DCI Finals in Kansas City in 1988.  That was the one year the
DCI tried that wacky idea of not having corps go on in reverse order at
Finals.  Instead, corps 7-12 from Semis picked a random performance order
and corps 1-6 did the same.  The intentions were good - but it was doomed
to fail.  The overwhelming majorityof fans IMHO prefer to know the scores
from Semis.

 But the random draw did work well in Madison's favor.  Nobody knew who
was in the lead.  When Madison was announced the winner, the place erupted
in cheers.  

Very exciting!  By the way, Madison also did Malaguena in 1975, the other
year that they won DCI.


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Subject: Re: DCI Champs
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:56:00 EDT
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Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <83543@bu.edu> huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang) writes:
>
>1972  Blue Stars     1973-74 SCV       1975 Madison
>1976-77 Blue Devils  1978    SCV       1979-80 Blue Devils
>1981 SCV             1982 Blue Devils  1983-85 Cadets
>
>Thanks for filling out the rest
My sources say:
1972 Anaheim Kingsmen
then the rest is fine through Garfield 1985...
1986 Blue Devils
1987 Garfield Cadets
1988 Madison
1989 SCV
1990 Cadets of Bergen County
1991 Star of Indiana
1992 ???????


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From: nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM (Bill Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: the past
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM
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> From mccrorey@convex.com (Martin McCrorey)
> This is great...I love reading about DCI, but I wonder if anyone out
> there remembers the days of corps pre-DCI?  Like Troopers in the 60's,

YES!  The Stockton Commodores, The Capitialaires, The Sunnyvale Golden Eagles,
the Anahiem Kingsmen, and the rest.....

I can remember (serious dating here) when a corps would start at one goal line, and
end there show when they crossed the other end zone.  There was inspection
at the line, and you could not have ANY facial hair, makeup, or men's hair
touching their collar.

The Commodores would start their show, off the line with the fanfare from
2001, while standing on the line.  During their show, they had a jazzed
up version of "Popeye" that I still whistle.  All male corps.

I can remember when the Blue Devils were still Drum and Bell!  I have all of the 
programs from Pacific Procession (SCV Show) that I have been to since 1974.
Great memories!

I started marching when I was very young, and the corps I was in folded after
6 years, but I never got drum corps out of my blood.  I have turned on a lot
of people to drum corps, and they have all loved it!

would love to hear more info on the Concord show!

--  Bill Nielsen
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: George Zingali obituary   
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:43:29 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

From Boston Globe (March 9?)

George M. Zingali, 40
Olympic choreographer

George M. Zingali, a choreographer and designer of routines for
marching bands, drum and bugle corps, and color guards, died Friday
[March 6] at his home in Revere [MA].  He was 40.


Mr. Zingali, a native of New York City, attended New York University and
Boston College.

He won several awards for his work desiging the routines of color guards
and marching bands, among them the champion Quasar and Erte bands of Revere.

He choreographed the opening and closing ceremonies of the 1980 Winter
Olympics in Lake Placid, NY.

Mr. Zingali attended the Actors and Directors Laboratory in New York from
1983 to 1986 and acted in several plays.  His last performance was in
"The Shadow Box" in 1990.

He leaves his mother, Mae F. of Revere.  A funeral Mass will be said at
St. Anthony's Church in Revere.  Burial will be in Holy Cross Cemetery
in Malden.


	(If you want to read a wonderful tribute to George Zingali, look
	at Mike Boo's article in March DCW - mf)





 
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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:06:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.065617.21061@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
>also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
>of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..
>

>Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu
>
>:)


>>>Right up untill last year, I went faithfully every year! I did like the 
stadium in Kansas City, although there was not much around for entertainment
(except for a few bars). I am VERY biased to the stadium in Madison Wisconsin.
There is (as far as I can remember, it's been a few years) some shopping 
centers, movies, restaurants and some pretty nice site seeing there, too!

--Kel
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From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bluecoats
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:03:41 GMT

In article <16APR199209252903@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, scmario@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIO FIERRO) writes:
> I noticed that someone posted a show schedule that included Blue Devils, 
> Scouts, SCV, et. al., and BLUECOATS!  What's going on?  Are the Bluecoats 
> now of championship caliber?  Or, was the poster a former member, as I was? 
> Are there other former or current members in netland?
> 
> Mario

If you are talking about the sked I posted, the Bluecoats are included
by virtue of their 11th place finish at finals last year.

I'm not an alum, sorry.

 - jay
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:45:08 GMT

Hey, isn't anybody going to answer the trivia question?  I'll take a
shot at it myself.

In article <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:

	   What year did DCI allow the drum corps to have a pit section (the
   non-marching kind)?  Note: corps used to march everyone on the field.  There
   were keyboard marchers (anybody recognize them in 1991 Star?), TYMPANI
   marchers (!), and etc..

I believe that 1983 was the first year that front percussion was
allowed.  That's the first year I remember both Garfield and SCV used
a pit, both with beautiful shows (you'll recall that was also the year
of Garfield's first DCI title, with something like a 94.0; Blue Devils
finished second, and SCV blew its finals performance and came in
third, after winning prelims).  That was also the last year of the
tick system; witness the difference in scores between '83 and '84.
Didn't Garfield win in '84 with a 98.0?

I gotta say, the question itself made me chuckle a little.  The
"Note:..." part is what got me.  In my mind, it wasn't so long ago
that I saw DCI broadcasts where everybody marched.  And have any of
you seen those classic McCormick's marketing videotapes, the ones that
highlight the Vanguard drum line of 77 or 78 or 79? (I can't quite
place the year; shame on me).  That's when they still used Slingerland
drums when Slingerland was hot.  Those marching tympani were pretty
darned cool.  Not that I'd like to see them make a comeback.

Also, Star isn't the first corps to re-introduce marching keyboards
after the pit was in existance, Garfield was.  Check out their '84
West Side Story show (my third favorite drumcorps show of all time).
Incredible.

   What were tom-tom drums?  They were like a cross between multi-tenors 
   and bass drums, I think.  They did not sound bad at all (especially in 1986
   Blue Devils) So who was the last to march with them?

I have no idea about this one.  I don't remember them from th 1986 BD
show, but then, I try to forget that show.  I'm sorry if this offends
anyone, but even though the '86 BD show won, it has to be one of the
most boring shows ever.  They won on precision and that's about it.
Their book was uninspired; if SCV were able to execute better that
year, or if Garfield had chosen a coherent show, they would've beaten
the pants off of BD.  But, I suppose that's moot now.

	George
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From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: california shows in '92 & misc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:18:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr12.211839.23911
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <urcat.703124400@mcl> urcat@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh) writes:
>What a treat to find a newsgroup worth reading!! :)
>
>My first question,
>a number of people have mentioned "Senior Corps" in their
>postings....should I be right in gathering that this is
>corps for all those age-out folk like myself (who really
>would like to keep going?  22 is not *ancient* by any
>means!!!  Heck, life's just beginning!!)  Are there
>any senior corps in Southern CA?  (Or sort of that region?)

I don't know much about CA, but senior corps (DCA: drum corps associates*?*) is
alive and well.  It is strongest out east, where so much drum corps history
is.  Some people have been marching in one corps for longer than the 21 year
age limit for DCI.  (One guy in Minnesota Brass has been in for over 40, if
my memory serves me correctly.  He's a hell of a guy, too!)

>Another BTW, anyone remember about a week-and-a-half before
>finals at Madison '86 when one corps had bad water and about
>one or two dozen players dropped on the field?  (Folklore
>had it that they'd fixed spaghetti with the bad water...so
>it was akin to food poisoning)  Was that Phantom?  How was 
>everyone afterwards?  I always wondered how those players were.

Yeah, that was Phantom.  They were dropping like flies at Stillwater, MN, if I
am not mistaken.  They started loosing members durring warm up and didn't go
to finale.  It was bad food of some sort, maybe someone else remembers.  That
was a real shame.  Everyone eventually recovered, but the people who got hit
were *really* sick.  The bad stuff seems to happen to them.  I remember the bus
crash too.  (No one was seriously injured, as I recall.  God, that was a while
ago!)

Dave
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From: cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:25:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr16.232507.1182
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

>Which is all the more reason for having finals on the west coast, or at
>least a western state for a change. Aside from the California corps and
>a few scattered here and there, there isn't a lot of activity, especially
>in the NW.
>Sorry, I had to say it. :-)
>
>--mikeq

I remember the day when the NW was home to a number of drum corps, now there
seems to be only 1 or 2 left.  At one time there were 3 membership corps of 
DCI open class.  My corps folded out from under me.  The condition of corps
in the NW now kind of saddens me.  We still have the shows, but with out
corps to march really what good are they.  Here is a partial list of corps
that have folded in the NW is the 80's mostly due for financial reasons, or
bad management.

		1.  Black Watch		Auburn Washington
		2.  Argonauts		Salem Oregon	
		3.  Seattle Imperials	Seattle Washington
		4.  The Cascades	Seattle Washington
		5.  The Crusadors       Portland OR (I hope this is correct)
		6.  The Rennisance	Spokane Washington (late 70's I
					  think)

Plus on any given year the Maurders and Spartans could be folded, rumor has it
this year that the Spartans will not be fielding a corps.  I do not know if
this rumor holds weight or not.  I am also unsure if any of the above 
mentioned corps have been reborn or not.  If anyone has more knowledge on
the above information feel free to add to the list.

This does state that Drum Corps in the NW has dwindled.  Of the list above,
three of these corps were member corps.  I feel DCI has lost some talent from
the NW. If we could ever get someone up here to really manage a drum 
corps right, I feel that Drum Corps could be brought sucessfully back to the
NW. 
				-Marietta

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From: pball@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pablo Cantu)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:32:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Does anyone remember which DCI band played and won the CHAMPIONSHIP with Malaguena, I think it was in 1988, but I am not sure.  I would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out here.

Thanks in advance

pablo
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: the past
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:56:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Apr16.005626.18963
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr15.210957.4952@sequent.com> mikeq@sequent.com (Mike Quillen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.010047.23699@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>>In article <3a7a02ftc3XV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>>>In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>>>
>>>The following are some of the local shows this year
>>>
>>>	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
>>>	June 13		Concord
>>>	June 19		Clovis
>>>	June 24		Modesto
>>>	June 26		Sacramento
>>>	June 27		Pacific Procession
>>>	July 10		Stockton
>>>	July 11		Concord
>>>
>
>Does anybody know if anyone is coming to the drumcorps-starved Northwest?
>I know that occasionaly the California corps make a trip up here.
>
>Thanks, 
>--mikeq


I posted this before, but here goes again.
July 1  Woodburn, OR
July 3  Longview, WA
July 4  Auburn, WA
July 5, Edmonds, WA

Blue Devils, Freelancers, Marauders, and some number of feeder corps.
I'm not sure if the Mandarins are coming up here.
I think the Blue Devils are not scheduled to be at the Woodburn show
(according to a schedule I have).

BTW, I have both the Madison Scouts' and Blue Devils' schedule if
anyone is interested.

-- Donald
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:11:40 GMT

In article <1b0G026M10pT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
> In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>>
>>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)
> 
> Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
> of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
> that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
> geometric design.

It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?

 - Jay