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From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: REQ: Luka Bloom
Keywords: Luka Bloom Barry Moore Riverside Acoustic Motorbike
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:48:58 GMT

If anyone's figured anything out from Luka Bloom's two albums RIVERSIDE
and THE ACOUSTIC MOTORBIKE, it would be brilliant if you posted it.

He uses weird custom tunings, and that makes it a little difficult (at least
for a relative beginner like myself) ...

Thanks,
 
  Chuck


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From: yasz@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian Yasz)
Subject: Rush
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:28:23 GMT

           


   I am interested in obtaining as much guitar/bass tab for Rush
as possible.  I have guitar tab books for Moving Pictures, Grace
Under Pressure, Presto, and Roll The Bones.  I'm not sure if
any others even exist.  Anyone with info or interested in trading,
please send e-mail to yasz@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: arch@gandalf.pei.com (Arch Mott)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: _Anything_ by Richard Thompson?
Keywords: any RT out there?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:34:58 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

Hey Folks-

  I realize that not everyone agrees on Richard Thompson's ability to sing
  or play, but regardless, he's been my guitar hero for a few years now. So,
  does anybody have any Richard Thompson tab or chords out there? Any archived
  interviews? Are there any books of his music? Not to be heretical or anything,
  but I really prefer his post-Fairport Convention stuff.

  Thanks in advance.

  -Arch.
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From: schubert@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Alex Schubert)
Subject: Re: Req.: ANYTHING U2
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:17:26 GMT

kwi@postman.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK) writes:
: 	Anything by U2 wanted,absolutely anything.
: Please post it here so I can save and print it without fooling around with 
: the * mailsytem.
: 
: 	K.Wik

Have you ever heard about ftp.nevada.edu  (Directory /pub/guitar)?
Many many many songs have been archived there. 

-Alex  
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From: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: help with chordpro
Reply-To: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 21:45:41 GMT

	I just got an account here on the VMS system.  I heard about Chordpro
and was wondering if someone out there could tell me how to get it and if
it will work on VMS or do I need to get a UNIX account (it's sort of easier
to stick with VMS if possible - you know the university bureacracy).  I am
fairly unfamiliar so if you could be pretty darn specific it would help.

Thanks in advance.

Brett Taylor
uphhsbt@hylite.oscs.montana.edu
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From: schubert@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Alex Schubert)
Subject: Re: REQ: Tears in Heaven
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:31:48 GMT

pnphilli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Pat Phillips) writes:
: I was wondering if anyone had the tab to Tears in Heaven
: by the master : Mr. Clapton.
: 
: If it has already been posted, could I get a copy
: from someone?
: If it is located on an ftp server, can I get an address
: from someone?
: 

I would suggest before you issue a REQ for any song, go and look for it
in    ftp.nevada.edu    login: anonymous   pw: e-mail-address
directory  /pub/guitar/bandname!

Most of the songs posted here can be foubnd in this archive.

Thanks to JamesB

Alex
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From: mccauley@bucknell.edu (robert mccauley `93)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: CFV: rec.music.makers.* groups
Date: 29 Sep 1992 03:38:54 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spica.cs.bucknell.edu

 rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) has suggested.....

>Proposal C: Create rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature.
>Charter: "Guitar tablature/chords, associated discussion and requests".
 
>If proposal C passes, it is anticipated that alt.guitar.tab will be removed.


I don't understand why this proposal would be an improvement on what
we have now.

	What is a music.maker?  Many of the folks who get tab from this group
are music players, rather than music composers.  If anything, I would make a 
group called

alt.guitar.tab.requests

to handle all the requests that come across the net.

	My $0.02

	***** mccauley@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu *****
	***** Jethro Tull forever               *****
From: day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Elton John "Saturday Night's Alright for Fightin'"
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:53:10 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta (Orlando, FL)

I've been working on this song lately but am having a little problem with a couple
of parts.  Does anyone out there have the chords and/or tab for this song?

The part I am talking about (for guitar) is where the song goes...

Saturday nights al-right, al-right, al-right
Oou, oou, oou...

(Hope that makes sense...)

I'll post the entire song when I get it completed.

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| Martin Marietta,  MP1269     | FAX:    407/356-6808            |
| P.O. Box 628007              | Internet: day@elmer.orl.mmc.com |
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From: robo@oregon.uoregon.edu (O'Neill, Rob)
Subject: Neil Young- "Powderfinger"
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:42:49 GMT

Just a note to follow up on "Powderfinger"; having seen Neil play it several 
times live, I noticed that in the Bm-C part of the verses, he often/usually 
plays a Cmaj7, not just a straight C. If you listen close, it seems to make 
the difference (at least to my tin ear...)

Rob O'Neill
Neil Fanatic
U. of Oregon
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From: wags@cimage.com (Bill Wagner /10000)
Subject: Re: REQ:  The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Reply-To: wags@cimage.com (Bill Wagner)
Organization: Cimage Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.185422.1295@tamsun.tamu.edu>, e343gv@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gary Varner) writes:
|> I'd like to get the chord pattern to "The Night They
|> Drove Old Dixie Down," which was, I understand, written
|> by the members of The Band and was popularized by a
|> top-40 Joan Baez rendition.
|> 
|> I could reciprocate (SP?) with some Nanci Griffith stuff.
|> 
|> - Gary Varner
|>   e343gv@tamuts.tamu.edu
|> 
|> 
|> 
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down


Am     C                     F           Em       Dm    
Virgil Cain is my name and I rode on the Danville train
Am                                  C                F           Em     Dm
Till (so much/Sherman's/Stoneman's) cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            |
        (pick one!, I keep chaning my mind)

Am                F          C            Dm
In the winter of '65 we were hungry, just barely alive
Am               F                        C      Dm             D
By May the tenth Richmond had fell, its a time I remember oh so well

(Chorus)
 
     C          F               C
The night they drove old dixie down
        F
And the bells were ringing
    C           F              C
The night they drove old dixie down
            F
And all the people were singing
           C        Am       G              F              C
They went La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la  (guitar/piano lick)

With my wife in Tennesee when one day she says to me
"Say Virgil quick come see, there goes Robert E Lee"
I don't mind choppin wood
 and I don't care if my moneys no good
You take what you need and leave the rest
 but they should never
have taken the very best

(Chorus)

Like my father before me, I'm a working man
And like my brother before me, I took a rebel stand
He was just eighteen, proud and brave
Till a Yankee laid him in his grave
And I swear by the blood below my feet
You can't raise a Cain back up when he's in defeat

(Chorus)


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AT&Tnet:  (313)-761-6523                       Ann Arbor MI 48108
FaxNet:   (313)-761-6551

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determined to make them otherwise."  - F. Scott Fitzgerald
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From: ericbe@microsoft.com (Eric Berman)
Subject: Re: REQ: Suite: Judy Blue Eyes
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:25:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

Check out last month's Guitar World; they do a better job
than I ever could.

--Eric

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: rogerj@aix.rpi.edu (Diversion (Jeff Rogers))
Subject: Re: Perfect pitch
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:24:40 GMT


>But indeed, different tones do have different qualities. An F# IS harsh and 
>an Eb IS mellow! Try it.

Tones might have different 'colors', but musical notes are defined
relatively. What is the difference in the sound of, say an A440 and an A442?
Both are considered A above middle C, but they are different pitches. And
what about different musical scales? I mean tempered scales and natural
scales (I think that's what they are - I'm not sure tho - anyone know?)
The pitches of different notes in these scales are different. Not to mention
a naturally tuned A scale sounds different in C than a naturally tuned C
scale. 

Just my $.02

Diversion

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From: willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams)
Subject: Whiter Shade of Pale
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: alt.guitar.tab
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:58:57


The ftp.nevada.edu archive's version of the Procol Harum's
"Whiter Shade of Pale" only includes one verse, and only
one line of the chorus.  (It is a comparison of two arrangements
of the song).  Could someone (Glen Macon? Jari Riitala?) please 
post the entire song?  (I seem to have lost my record of it.)


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From: jfoy@narcy.gao.dec.com (John Foy)
Subject: REQ: Parisenne Walkways?
Reply-To: jfoy@narcy.gao.dec.com (John Foy)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:12:33 GMT


Anyone got tab for Parisienne Walkways by Gary Moore/Phil Lynott? 
Any format , i.e.

	o posted tab
	o scanned tab  8^)
	o photocopy
	o fax
	o ref. to a book?
	o other?

	TIA

	jf
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From: dstoll@aragon.stgt.sub.org (Dieter Stoll)
Subject: REQ: Makin' some noise (Tom Petty)
Summary: Chord voicings for "Makin' some noise"
Keywords: Chords request: Tom Petty
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 05:27:14 GMT
Organization: Novalis - Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle, Sindelfingen, EUROPE

Subject line says it all. No problem for the lyrics, but I've yet to
figure out the exact chord voicings on this one (it's on the INTO THE
GREAT WIDE OPEN album).
Thanks!
-- Dieter Stoll
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Dire Straits: Money For Nothing
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:15:41 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

The title says it all, or maybe it doesn't. It may be called 'I want my MTV',
but I doubt it. Whatever, I'd love to get the TAB for the intro and/or the main
riff.

Thanks in advance,

Jim Munro

(still struggling with Sultans of Swing)



Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: terryk@encore.com (Terence M. Kelleher)
Subject: CRD: The Field Behind the Plow - Stan Rogers
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:41:51 GMT



The Field Behind the Plow
By Stan Rogers

G                                       D        C    G
Watch the field behing the plow turn to straight dark rows,
         Am                                C                        D
Feel the trickle in your clothes, Blow the dust cake from your nose
          G                            D     C    G
Hear the tractors steady roar, Oh, you can't stop now,
          Am               D7                   G
There's a quarter section, more or less, to go.

       G                               D   C     G
You can watch it come for miles, but you guess you've got a while
            G                          D    C G
So ease the throttle out a hair. Every rods a gain
            Am         D7           G
And there's victory in every quater mile.

         D
Poor old Kuzyk down the road
    Em                 C                   D
The heartache hail and hoppers brought him down
                  A       D
He gave it up and went to town

And Emmett Peirce the other day
       Em               C              G
Took a heart attack and died at fourty two,
          G      A      D
You could see it coming on
                            C     C/B  Am
'cause he worked as hard as you


      G                           D   C     G
In an hour, maybe more, you'll be wet clear through
    Am                            C                D
The air is cooler now.  Pull your hat-brim further down
              G                             D        C    G
And watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
    Am               D7             G
Put another season's promise in the ground


        D
And if harvest's any good
    Em                C            D
The money just might cover all the loans
                 A       D
You've mortgaged all you own

Buy the kids a winter coat
         Em                 C                G
Take the wife back east for Chirstmas if you can
    G      A         D
All summer she hangs on
                           C     C/B  Am
When you're so tied to the land


        G                              D     C       G
For the good times come and go, but at least there's rain
        Am                          C              D
So this won't be barren ground when septmber rolls around
             G                              D       C    G
So watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
    Am              D7             G
Put another seasons promise in the ground.
          G                             D        C    G
Watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
    Am              D7             G
Put another seasons promise in the ground.
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From: palmm@csc2.essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Perfect pitch
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: palmm@essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Sep30.202928.4117@Princeton.EDU> acoggins@stone.Princeton.EDU (Adam Cody Coggins) writes:
>
>Regardless of the merits of that analogy, some people seem to have
>this "perfect pitch", and the add claims that it can be learned.

I dont have quite perfect perfect pitch, if you know what I mean. However,
I can produce a note which is close to the G above middle c just by getting
the shape of my mouth right and singing the note in a certain way. I have
have come to know what this sound like (I can hear it in my head if I try hard
enough) and with a lot of effort can pitch other  notes I hear relative to this.
It has nothing to do with tone colour what so ever. If it did then how would
it be possible to tell which F#, for example, were being played or sung? As
far as I know, most people who have perfect pitch only learn to recognise one
or two frequencies and all other notes are pitched in relation to these. So
perfect pitch requires being good at recognising intervals in a purely
relative way. Anyway, why do some of you think perfect pitch is a good thing?
I dont often find any use for it unless I try and sing a song with no 
accompanyment in which case it is important to start on a note which is suited
to my vocal range. In fact I would have thought that perfect pitch was a
positive disadvantage given that a lot of the time a lot of musicians are
not tuned to concert pitch - at least in my experience. 

Mike.
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From: kwi@postman.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK)
Subject: Req.: ANYTHING The CURE/PRINCE/JANE'S ADICTION/PINK FLOYD
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:32:54 GMT

	 Please mail it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND PLEASE IF YOU HAVE UNPLUGED VERSIONS,MAIL THAT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		KWik
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: raj@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Raj Ramlagan)
Subject: HELP .chopro files
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
Distribution: alt.guitar.tab
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:18:53 GMT


Hi folks,

I've always ignored postings regarding the chordpro program and now I
need help.  I've obtained a .chopro file and I can read it, however
I'm curious as to what the chordpro program would generate, and where
can I get a copy of this program (SUN SPARC2 version)?

Thanks in advance
Raj
From: easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Back in Black (AC_DC)
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:22:12 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I would like to see AC_DC's intro to "Back in Black" transcribed, if
anybody has it..  Thanx! 
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From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Forever Young -- fast version
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:12:26 GMT


Forever Young by Bob Dylan.  Fast version.
I think this is actually in A-flat, capo up one fret.

   G
1. May God bless and keep you always
2. May you grow up to be righteous
3. May you hands always be busy

            C               G
1. May your wishes all come true
2. May you  grow up to be   true
3. May your feet always be  swift

   G
1. May you always do for others
2. May you always know the truth
3. May you have a strong foundation

            D
1. And let  others do for you
2. And see  the light surrounding you
3. When the winds of changes shift

   D        G
1. May you  build a ladder to the stars
2. May you  always be courageous
3. May your heart always be joyful

            C              G
1. And      climb on every rung
2. Stand    upright and be strong
3. May your song always be sung

       G           G    D         G    C
1,2,3. And may you stay   forever young

       C       G    D         G
1,2,3. May you stay   forever young.

Between verses, jam on the chord progression of the verses.

>>>====================>
   Bryan Stack 
   Omaha, Nebraska, USA
   momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: juggle@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: Re: REQ: Back in Black (AC_DC)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:20:16 GMT



Back in Black intro,     
      by AC/DC   

Again, this may not be 100%, it's off of the top of my head.  Use distortion.

key:  X:  touch the strings with your fretting hand and hit them
          to get a percussive sound.
      b: bend (or unbend) string until it sounds like next note.
      p: pull off


opening riff:                      Em      G       D 

e---------------------------   -----------3-3-3-----2-2-2---   <- Riff one
A---------------------------   -----------0-0-0-----3-3-3---
D---------------------------   -----------0-0-0-----2-2-2---
G---X--X--X--X--------------   ----2------0-0-0-------------
B---X--X--X--X--------------   ----2------2-2-2-------------
E---X--X--X--X--------------   ----0------3-3-3-------------
                  pause
    4 counts. . . 2 silent. .


e----3--0------------------   ---------------------------    <- Riff three
A----------3--0------------   ---------------------------
D----------------2b3b2p0---   ---------------------------
G--------------------------   ---------------------------
B--------------------------   --0-----0-----0-----0------
E--------------------------   -----2-----3-----4-----5---
        Riff two


So it goes:  opening riff, riff one, riff two, riff one, riff three, etc.

	-Joseph Grossman-
	-juggle@athena.mit.edu-
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: HELP, Please ...
Reply-To: uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142700.7762@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, knoblauch@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Klaus v. Knoblauch) writes:
>Well folks,
>I need some help! I'm following this group for the past couple of days, finding
>it (and the FTP-Site @ nevada) really exciting! BUT:
>many songs/tabs are posted in the .CRD-format. Now I've checked the FAQ, found
>the ftp-site and looked it up, but the file CHORD.PRO there, that has the
>C-sources is in UNIX-SH. Now here I stand, head in hand, at my IBM-PC :-}
>So here comes my request: 
>Can any kind soul out there, who's got the CHORD compiled for PC, UUEncode it
>and send it to me by E-Mail (or post) ? Alternatively the C-Source as plain
>ASCII or ZIPped/ZOOed/LHArced or something. You'd really make me jump of
>happieness and all that ...
>
I am interested too.  You can mail it to me at
    upphsbt.hylited.oscs.montana.edu

Thanks in advance

Brett Taylor
	>			kindly,
>				Klaus
>PS: our mailer here DOES take several K-lines, so don't need to bother to
>   split UUEncoded stuff if sent by E-Mail.
>-- 
>InterNet:  Knoblauch@rz-berlin.mpg.de
>EAN     :  Knoblauch@mpimg-berlin.mpg.dbp.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Half a bee, philosophically, must ipse facto half not be. But can it be an >
>> entire bee, if half the bee is not a bee, due to some ancient injury?      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monthy Phyton>>>>>>>>>>
>Disclaimer: The above stated opinions are not necessarily shared by my
>            employers. Some times not even by me.
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From: chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (chris mann)
Subject: Re: ALT.BASS.TAB ???
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:54:03 GMT

yeah...i'd like this group too.... (alt.bass.tab that is :)

chris
From: campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ:  REM's Radio Free Europe & others
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:38:38 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America


  Would someone please post the words and chords to Radio Free Europe (and any
other early R.E.M. you have)?

Thanks, 
Doug
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