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From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Contractor Compensation
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin) writes:
: 
: Many thanks - as you can tell, I'm not in Human Resources and have no
: experience in this field!

Health - ~$100 /mo
Vacation - 2wks salary
Sick Time - 1 wk salary

Personally though, I live in the Bay Area (Silicon Valley). Out
here I tend to get away with reg salary + 10K as a contracting wage.
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Some Recruiters etc in Phoenix
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:59:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Cc: 

		Orville, I read your posting about Arizona sadly.
		I grew up in Arizona (Tucson) in the 50s, 60s, and
		70s, then moved to Texas for "personal" reasons.
		I always thought I'd retire in Arizona, because
		I love the desert so.  However, every time I go
		to Tucson and Phoenix to visit friends and relatives,
		I can't believe the growth.  The Phoenix area (for-
		give me, please) never was pretty so the growth
		there doesn't bother me.  But, Tucson was such a
		beautiful and interesting place when I was growing
		up and into the 60s.  It breaks my heart to see
		all the influx of people, especially Easterners!
		They seem to have brought their fast-track life-
		style to what used to be a sleepy desert town.
		And the traffic is HORRIBLE! Oh well, I suppose
		nothing ever stays the same.  Just thought I'd
		give you some Arizona background.


			Bye, Judy.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: buchanja@clds01.cl.dopont.com (Jennie Buchanan)
Subject: Job Posting Phone Numbers RTP NC
Organization: E. I. DuPont
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:03:06 GMT



Hi,

	I remember seeing several months ago a list of phone numbers 
being passed around for job advertisements in the RTP NC area. Could 
someone please post the information on the net as I believe others would 
also be interested in it.

	Thanks in advance

	Scott Buchanan
	DuPont Networking

	buchansh@cloc.dnet.dupont.com
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:15:38 GMT

>From: ap096@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin P. Dahlhausen)
>Subject: Question about company's response to resumes
>Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:59:56 GMT
>Message-ID: <18ipmsINNm7n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

>Do companies perform any initial screening before sending out
>the postcards or letters that say "thank you, we are reviewing
>your resume ......."?  (ie can this correspondence be taken as
>a good sign or is it generally just a given company's standard
>policy to reply to all resumes?)

My experience is that the "thanks, were reviewing your resume..."
letters generally are some sort of form letter. I've never gotten
a job with a company that sent me one of those. (Spent 6 months
or so job hunting back in '86 and am currently looking again due to
layoffs.. not layed off yet but will be soon, thanks to union seniority|)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: <none>
From: bordy@edy.elettra.trieste.it (Luca Giovanetti Sismat Genova)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:45:10 +0100
Distribution: world

I'm an electronic engineer graduated at Genoa's University in July 92.
My thesis is about parallel processing on transputer machine and was
developed with Pietro Morasso and Renato Zaccaria at dist.unige.it.
I'm 26. I'm in the Italian Navy and stay there until next december.

I'm loking for opportunities in the following fields:

		- Virtual reality
		- Astronomy and spatial systems
		- Robotics
		- Submariner and flying systems

You can find me at this email address: bordy@edy.elettra.trieste.it

MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE !!!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mario@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mario D. Sagucio)
Subject: what are recruiters / headhunters?
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:32:28 GMT

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   //  //  //  //  //      //                   Mario D. Sagucio
  //  //  //////  //      //         Computer Specialist/Interactive Services
From: burris@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (John Burris)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Headhunters in Huntsville, Alabama
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: burris@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (John Burris)
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio

Does anyone have a list of Hedhunters in the Huntsville, Al. area?
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 06:46:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: ethic's,resumes,John Bonning at BellSouth Advanced Networks
Distribution: usa

jensen@gauss.eedsp.gatech.edu (P. Allen Jensen) writes:

>A general question:

>If one finds a co-workers resume posted to one of the resume news
>groups, is it ethical to distribute a copy of that posting to
>other people within the company ?

>Mr. John Bonning did this to me today.  Fortunately, all of the people
>in my chain of supervision were already aware that I was looking arround,
>so Mr. Bonning came off looking like an unethical jerk.

>I would be interested in any suggestions as to how to deal with this sort
>of a situation.
>(Hi, John!)

	Perhaps it would be possible to start an anonymous postings
system similar to other newsgroups. 

	I do think his relaying such information back when it isn't his 
business smacks of little kid tattle-tale-ism. Not quite, quite as the 
phrase is said.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: aboltwoo@alfred.carleton.ca (Alana Boltwood)
Subject: Summary of responses:  How long before graduation to post resume
Summary: Most people say:  Start posting ASAP, post monthly
Keywords: resume graduation posting
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:37:38 GMT

So far, I have had a number of people email or post responses to the
question:  If I am graduating May '93, when should I start posting to
misc.jobs.resumes?  Most have said start now, due to the economic
climate.  (That is the advice I'm taking.)  All have added that since
postings expire after 1 month generally, a resume should not be
re-posted more often than that.

One person suggested that I only post one month before graduation,
since job openings don't last that long.  True, but some jobs take
time to open up.  My networking so far has shown that I am not too
early.  (Our university placement office has many deadlines in Sept.
and Oct. for jobs beginning in May.)

Anyone with dissenting views is welcome to contribute further.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Need info on job opportunities for US citizen.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:08:10 GMT

Hi!

I am posting this article on behalf of a friend of mine in India.
He is a US citizen by birth. He has a BE degree in Computer Science
from Jayachamarajendra College of Engg., Mysore, India. He likes to
know details about the job opportunities available to him here.

Can somebody please help him with the information ? Also, can
anybody give me the name(s) of the newsgroup(s) that provide(s)
info about jobs for non-resident US citizens ?

Please email your reply. Thanks in advance.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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From: asa0517@hertz.njit.edu (avadhani s ashok me stnt)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: INFO WANTED ABOUT CADnfo Wanted about CAD rerelated Softeware Development Companies.
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:48:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: asa0517@hertz.njit.edu


	Any information about CAD/CAM/CAE/Analysis software development
companies, their addresses and/or contact persons in charge of recruitment will 
be greatly appreciated.

	I have managed to get addresses of a few CAD software development 
companies from their advertisements. But, I suspect that these are the addresses
of their sales department. If I send a resume to these addresses marked
"ATTN: Human Resources Department", will it be usually forwarded to the person
in charge of recruitment? If not, how and/or where can I find the name and 
address of the person in charge of recruitment?

	Thanks in advance. Please reply by e-mail, if possible.

--- ASHOK.
e-mail : ashok@shiva.njit.edu
From: fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:44:27
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., 10 Molton Street, Cambridge, MA
	02138
NNTP-Posting-Host: spchp11.bbn.com
In-reply-to: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com's message of 11 Sep 92 14:28:11 GMT


> Anyhow, what I want to know is:  how did you get into a telecommuting
> situation?  Did you do it from day one, or did you go into the office for
> a while, pay your dues, earn your merit badges, and *then* start
> working from home?

Definitely started by paying my dues and earning merit badges.

1) First, I convinced them to buy me the setup.  The original purpose
   for the telecommuting   was so that I could work occasionally on
   nights and weekends.  If I only work an additional 4 hours a month,
   it is well worth their cost.

2) BBN is a company with enormous flexibility, as long as you get
   the job done.  I get the job done, so no one tracks when I arrive and
   leave.

3) Next, I just started working from home.  It turns out that I am quite
   productive working from home.  I don't do it very much, but I have
   had no problem keeping up.


As for limiting your job search, this is true that you can only work
such a situation if you are within a long commute.  However, I still
come into the office all the time, just not as frequently.  I can't
imagine telecommuting to a location which is so far away I can't go in
to the office a couple days a week.

regards,
fletcher
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/* Fletcher Kittredge
 * BBN Software Products
 * 150 CambridgePark Dr,  Cambridge, MA. 02140
 * 617-USE-FINK  /  fkittred@bbn.com  /  fkittred@das.harvard.edu
 */
From:  deadcat@deadcat.msk.su (Vladimir Zhelezniakov)
Subject: Beware of Reds![Was: Young family from Russia...]
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: deadcat@deadcat.msk.su
Organization: Private user
Keywords: poor,babies,beware,Reds
Summary: All may not survive. Some know.


In ART: <rabjab.93.0@golem.ucsd.edu> (Jeff Bytof):
[from: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.resumes]
>
>   >    A young family from Russia is looking for a work in foreign countries.
>   >The family consists of a hasband, a wife and a child.They are eager to work
>   >abroad.
[...]
>
>   I hope that no middleman is charging these folks
>   to get their message out.  Would that be a policy violation
>   of this group?
>
>   Jeff Bytof
>   rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
>
     Oh  sure  a fat  nasty  middleman  *does* charge them poor babies, and
this sure *is*  a  "p.  violation"!  Come visit, and you'll  read  in these
folks eyes *you* (personaly)  owe them  a  living! Mention  they posted  to
three  groups at once? They would  have posted  to  *all*  the existing, if
they knew how.

     Severely yours,
     Vladimir (deadcat@deadcat.msk.su)

PS.  By  the  way, to  have  an access  to  E-mail  in  Krasnoyarsk, means,
socially, a position, as if to have a cellular channel  reserved,  in, say,
NYC. Beware of Reds!
From: ffitter@world.std.com (Fawn Fitter)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How did you get your current job?
Keywords: networking
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:13:44 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

ffitter@world.std.com (Fawn Fitter) writes:

>I'm writing an article for a publication called _Circle K_ which goes to
>college students about to enter the job market.  I need to find at least
>four or five recent (last 3 years) graduates who got their current jobs
>through personal contacts, ie. networking.  
> If you found your current job through networking, please e-mail me at
>ffitter@world.std.com with the details.  Be sure to include your full
>name, school and year of graduation, and a way for me to contact you. 

>Please do *not* post your responses here -- I am on a tight deadline and
>need to hear from you by no later than 9/ 21!

>Thanks.

______________________
As of 9/16, I still need a few more responses to this post.  I appreciate
the help from those of you who have already responded!  *Please* be sure
to include your school, year of graduation, and field of study.

Thanks again.
From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:55:42 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

>>My experience is that the "thanks, were reviewing your resume..."
>>letters generally are some sort of form letter. I've never gotten
>>a job with a company that sent me one of those. 
> 
> That's funny.  Apple (my current employer) just mailed me one of those
> it's-been-6-months-and-we-still-have-your-resume-on-file letters.  If
> memory serves, DEC also mailed me a "we're reviewing your resume" letter 
> after I had accepted an offer from them.
> 
> This all goes to show how far mileages vary.

It also makes a good case for not even having a Personnel Dept.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: reddy@seas.smu.edu (N. Urimindi)
Subject: WANTED A LIST OF HEAD HUNTERS/TEXAS/ELECTRICAL ENGG.
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:19:06 GMT

Dear netters,
		I haven't received much response for my previous posting requesting a list of head hunters. Probably I was not specific as to the location and the field. So I would like to request all those wonderful netters who can throw some light into the following matter.

SUBJECT: Wanted a list of Head Hunters in Electrical Engineering preferably in 
TEXAS. If you have a list of head hunters in  other parts of the country, please do not hesitate to send me one. Any advise, comments, are most welcome to the following address.

	reddy@smunews.seas.smu.edu

Thank you all in advance for your time.

Reddy.
From: rchang@cs.cornell.edu (David Renpan Chang)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: job in a company with joint venture in China
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:01:13 GMT
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY

Hi, 

	I am interested in working in a company with joint venture in China. I would particularly like to work in its office in China. Some general info about myself: 

	* Languages: English, Mandarin, Shanghai Dialect.

	* Technical Skills: Robotics, Computer Vision and Computer Systems in general.

	Please email me any info you have about such companies.


Thanks so much,

-Dave Chang
From: icpa@orac.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Info req on overseas employment
Keywords: overseas, middle-east
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:54:49 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)


The International Computer Professional Association is a member supported
organization for experienced software professionals who want to work overseas.
We have contact with over 750 technical recruitment firms in the US and
abroad. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us and we will
send you information on membership with the ICPA.


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
USA

Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net
From: paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Living Cost Index
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep4.143222.28215@research.nj.nec.com>, damon@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Damon Antos) writes:
>_The_ best way to find out about a new place is to read the
>"Places Rated Almanac", Richard Boyer & David Savageau, Prentice Hall

The problem I have with "Places Rated", unless they've put out a
revised edition recently, is that much of its information is so
dated as to be useless.  The edition I have was put out in (I think)
1987; back then, Boston was still rated as having a booming economy
and lots of jobs!  Let's just say that things are a little bit
different today.....

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6371 talk.politics.misc:44218 soc.culture.usa:7175
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Great Good CEOs...NOT ( was: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:54:23 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep2.023525.9320@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.203019.11064@weyrich.UUCP> tnet.com!weyrich!orville writes:

>>Talk to CEO's about it. If you can make a good case and back it up with 
>>facts, I'm sure they will be all ears. 

>Orville, rent Roger and Me, please.  CEOs don't like to talk to working
>people like you and me because we have a tendency to ask unpleasant
>questions (like "why you make so much money, man? company's closin' the
>plant!"). 

Actually, CEOs are quite happy to talk to people who aren't out to
ream them the way the guy doing Roger and Me was.  The answer to the
question is also quite obvious - the CEO is paid so much money because
he is qualified to decide whether or not to close the plant.

>Please also read William Bulkeley's article in the Wall
>Street Journal for 8/19/92: he describes how Wang is failing precisely
>because its suits did not listen to its technicians when they proposed
>upgrading Wang minicomputer software to be compatible with PC and
>workstation software.  

Of course he doesn't analyze Wang's huge investment in hardware and OS
software which would have been lost if Wang had done this.  Could they
have avoided bankruptcy?  Maybe.  But they would still have had to lay
off more people than they alread have.  In fact, if Wang reorganizes
it may be as a purely software company.  

>Instead, Rich Miller used a remarkably
>shortsighted, fiscal strategy of pressuring customers for a variety of
>steep licensing fees for out-of-date mini hardware/software which caused
>Wang to rapidly lose its technological edge and ALSO alienated
>customers.  

Easy for you to say, but what would you have done?  If you are so
smart why can't you make big bucks as a CEO?


>The two major problems
>with this are the excessively short-term focus of American CEOs,

I keep hearing this, but no one ever seems to take up the challenge
when I point out that US companies consitently make investments that
will not pay off for decades.  Examples include R&D like Bell Labs,
office buildings, twenty year treasury bonds, 99 year leases, and
replanting after logging.
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From: rem@btr.btr.com (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: What does "good phone skills" mean in job ads?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:17:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

Lately I've seen several job ads that I might wish to apply for, but
they list "good phone skills" as a requirement and I don't know that
exactly that means. I always look in the directory instead of calling
directory assistance, and when somebody gives me a phone number I write
it down instead of trying to remember it in my head, and when I get a
wrong number I try to find out whether I dialed the number wrong
somehow or actually got the number I intended but it was wrong in the
first place, and I wait until after 9AM before calling somebody at
home, and I even know how to put somebody on hold instead of accidently
hanging up on them. But I have no experience running a PBX or even
transferring a call from my line to another line on those newfangled
phone systems, and I have the darndest time trying to understand the
other voice over a bad connection. Does anybody have a good definition
of what employers usually mean by "good phone skills" and an
explanation how I might determine whether I qualify or not?
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce Mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: CAP Gemini: MIS Sweatshop?
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:38:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep5.195008.10875@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> gsu0001@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Linden) writes:
>
>  Has anyone out there heard anything, good or bad, about how CAP
>Gemini treats its employees? 

I have two freinds who presently work there and say that they don't like it.
Both are new grads with no previous experience. I guess if you need the
experience bad enough that it might do but I would try to leave them as a
last option or at least down the ladder a bit.
-- 
Bruce Mccullough- Asst. Computer Operations Supervisor
Registrar Data Systems
Georgia Institute of Technology     
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu              
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What does "good phone skills" mean in job ads?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 01:55:04 GMT
Organization: sio
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

>: ...Does anybody have a good definition
>: of what employers usually mean by "good phone skills" and an
>: explanation how I might determine whether I qualify or not?

>Phone skills usually means being able to communicate with people
>accurately without using visual cues. It also means being able to
>tell someone nicely to go to help and have them anticipate the trip.
                              ^^^^
Good Phone Skills = Speaking of the Devil?

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
From: tim@kenda.mv.com (Tim O'Neil)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Tandem Consultants
Distribution: usa  
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:28:40 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.

WANTED Tandem Consultant for a long term opportunity in the New England area, 
ASAP please call Mary Bishop (617-577-0577)
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: European / Asian Jobs : How does one interview?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:22:44 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Hi folks,

I have been trying to figure out how one goes about trying to find a job
in a foreign country. I am specifically interested in East/SE Asia, or Europe.

Does anyone have any recommendations as far as 1) recruiters 2) figuring out
how to interview in the U.S. for these companies?

Thanks!

Shriram