HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: heb8x13B.bdf X windows screen font available
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:02:32 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302

Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 18:57:08 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep01.185708.3578@ima.isc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,soc.culture.jewish,comp.windows.x

I am aware of two publicly available Hebrew fonts for X windows, a 6x13
and an 8x13, and both of these have Hebrew characters that are stroked
one pixel wide.  I found that such fonts look pretty anemic on screens
wider than 1000 pixels, so I devised an 8x13B font which has bolder
Hebrew characters.   I based this font on previous work by Thomas Bagli
(pcsbst!tom) and Joseph Friedman (yossi@cs.stanford.edu).

I tried to make the characters attractive and also to distinguish
dalet/resh, samech/mem-sofit, heh/chet, bet/chaf, gimel/nun, and so
forth.  I chose to use serifs and rounded corners in the font, this
choice could have gone either way, but they look ok.  It's darker and
less boxy than the previous heb8x13 while taking the same amount of
screen space.  Note that this is a fixed width bitmap font.

The new font is ISO8859-8 compliant, with characters in the same
positions as the above-mentioned fonts.

I have submitted the font to the X consortium for inclusion in their
next release.

If you are interested in picking up a copy of this font, I have put it
in the file: israel.nysernet.org:/israel/uploads/heb8x13B.bdf

I have put a sample xterm output file there too, if you want to see
what it looks like without installing it.  I took an xwd X window dump
of an xterm window which had the first chapter of Bereshit listed.
This file is: israel.nysernet.org:/israel/uploads/hebB.demo.Z
To display it on your X window system, type: zcat hebB.demo.Z | xwud

Note that the uploads/ directory on israel.nysernet.org is a temporary
area and the files may eventually be deleted from there or moved to a
permanent font storage area.

Please let me know if you find it useful, or if you have comments.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
From: yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:14:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: /mit/yandros/.organizations

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:37:19 GMT
Message-Id: <YANDROS.92Sep1003712@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors


  From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
> But that brings me to a GUI you forgot to mention... "Open Windows".
> Barf!!!

For me, at least, I use Open Windows as much as Open Look (and more
commonly Open Manhole or Open SchLook) to mean the same thing, since I
can't imagine anyone else being incsane enough to re-implement it...

  From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
> Without exception, all the people I've worked with (only as a favor; I
> don't do this for money) hated having to hunt-n-peck on the keyboard
> but loved the Mac interface. They were all productive beyond their
> hopes within a couple hours. There is a huge market for this type of
> casual user.

While I won't argue with this point, the major fault I find with the
Mac interface is the way this GUI is locked in to the system,
immovable.  I have seen *ONE* decently designed application; a graphic
FTP client with a small window at the bottom where the actually
protocol commands were shown.  If I felt like using a mouse, I could
simply select files and click buttons, but I still had the option of
getting things done at full speed by using the keyboard.  I see no
reason why the Mac GUI souldn't accomodate this in everything.  As an
example, a freind and I spent several minutes the other day sitting at
a Mac II running System 7 trying to find out how to do some
straightforward manipulations from the keyboard, and managed to find a
suggested binding that required use of keys on boths sides of the
keyboard IN CONJUNCTION WITH the mouse...  so much for User Interface
Design.  Whenever I try to use a Mac for any serious task for any
significant period of time, I find myself very frustrated at being
slowed down by the user interface.  (Does anyone know why there isn't a
magic key sequence to get to the menubar, for instance?)  I guess my
main complaint is that Apple sems to have sacrificed the
medium-to-high level user in favor of the the 'casual user', without
(IMHO) real justification.


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From: x910832@px4.stfx.ca (Tanya Adamsson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: DESQview/X vs HCL-eXceed/W
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:06:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:34:06 -0300
Message-Id: <9208171634.AA28794@pX4.stfx.ca>

If anyone has experience with DESQview/X or HCL-eXceed/W and could offer
opinions on the advantages or disadvantages of each it would be greatly
appreciated.  Please send replys to:  maceachern@px1.stfx.ca

Thank you.

Tanya Adamsson
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From: wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO))
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: MPEG player wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:04:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:51:11 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.105111.29134@fwi.uva.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

The subject says is all:
Is there an X MPEG player? I know it's there for MS-DOS (both with and
without windows).
BTW. I'm running X11R5 on a Sun4 or SPARC (SunOS 4.1.1), and
X11R3 on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.1.5).

Thanks for reading,
Marcel.
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From: montnaro@spyder.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: mwm man pages
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:30:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:19:07 GMT
Message-Id: <MONTNARO.92Aug27111907@spyder.crd.ge.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug27.110116.2161@dde.dk> mbo@dde.dk (Morten Bonde) writes:

   >  Can someone out there send me or tell me where to get the
   >  postscript or nroff version of the mwm man pages.

   Please tell me too..

Sure. Buy Motif from any of a number of vendors. It's not free software.

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From: birger@sdata.no (Birger A. Wathne)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Compose-key (Multi_key) functionality in X11R5 ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:55:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S

Date: 28 Aug 92 13:31:41 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.133141.481@alf.uib.no>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I saw a posting once from someone who claimed there was a non-MIT patch
to make MIT's Xlib accept the Compose-key (Multi_key) in the same manner
that OpenWindows does it.

I don't normally read this group, but I have searched the FAQ without
finding anything on the subject. If this has been integrated into X11R5,
which patch-level should i get?

This feature is great for everyone who needs to write characters they
don't have on their keyboard.

As I don't read this group, please reply directly to me, and I'll
summarize if there is enough interest.


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From: ochoa@alw.nih.gov (Luis Ochoa)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X-FTP ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:31:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: National Institutes of Health

Date: 31 Aug 92 23:22:34 GMT
Message-Id: <ochoa-310892192109@137.187.250.2>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Is there a X-FTP ?
I'll like to ftp files without having to type all the time at the FTP
prompt.

Thanx
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Help on xlock for x terminal
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:16:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Intel Corporation

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:43:15 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug25.154315.380@ichips.intel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif


In article <rcoty.714726882@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU>, rcoty@roo.co.rmit.oz.AU (Teddy Yung) writes:
> Can someone tell me how can I lock my xterminal?
> Thanks.
> 
> Teddy

        % xlock -remote
                ^^^^^^^

  Get this and more information by running

        % xlock -help

or, RTFM :) Unless you have an old version of xlock, which is not able to lock a
remote display.

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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From: gohel@sunburn.ec.usf.edu (Himanshu Gohel (CS))
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: DevGuide3 / XView3 bug?
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:55:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering

Date: 27 Aug 92 20:21:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.202151.15060@ariel.ec.usf.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,alt.tookits.xview,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.openlook,comp.windows.open-look


Setup: Developer's Guide 3.0 (dg3); OpenWindows 3.0 (ow3);

Remember that annoying bug in DevGuide1.1 that would not let you make
windows larger than a certain size?   I thought that dg3 would solve
that problem.  NOT!

I have an application whose base frame is 825x700.  I have two
control areas, one going across (823x97) and another going down
(121x600).  They look great when viewed from dg3.  But when I
gxv and make the interface, both windows are cropped short -
the first by about 50 pixels off the right, and the second by
about 25 pixels of the bottom!

Digging around a bit, I found that the .G file and the _ui.c
file both had the correct sizes that I specified.  I played
around a bit and found that once dg3 generated code so that
instead of explicit sizes, it used XV_EXTEND_TO_EDGE instead.
But that didn't seem to change anything.

That leads me to believe that it's a bug in XView3, not dg3?

And while we're talking about XView3 bugs, a multi-line text
item also in the same .G file shows up without scroll bars when
the code is generated for it!  Why is that?

Solutions much appreciated

Thanks

Himanshu
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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 09:05:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: CFRAZIER@hdsc.ssc.af.mil (C | C Code | C Code Run, please!)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: memory monitor
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:51:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date:    Wed, 2 Sep 1992 8:53:35 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <920902085335.22a02952@hdsc.ssc.af.mil>
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"xpert@athena.mit.edu"


I am using a SPARC station IPX and was wondering if anyone could point me to where I 
could find a memory monitor (something to monitor memory ususage).  I'm using
a program and would like to know how much memory is being used by it and
at what times in execution the most memory is being used.

Thanks.

cfrazier@hdsc.ssc.af.mil

or

71052,3547@compuserve.com
From: espiritu@cgi.com (Rex Espiritu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problems with stray xterm client processes...
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:52:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 31 Aug 92 17:55:59 GMT
Message-Id: <9208311756.AA11491@cgise>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I was wondering if anyone else out there has experienced something similar...

We seem to be occasionally experiencing a problem with "xterm" clients
sharing the same pseudo-devices.

This problem arises when a user logs out of one of our Sun SPARCstations
where they had "xterm" clients running when they logged out.

What happens then is the "xterm" clients of another user (on the same
machine) seems to then start sharing the same pseudo device that the
other user had.  The second user can do a "whoami" and they will get a
response of the other user.  It seems that every other command is
executed under the other users "uid".

Following is an outline of a typical scenario:

1). User "smith" logs into (xdm) "cgist" and starts up xterm clients on an
    NCD X-terminal (or a Sun console running the X11 server).

2). User "jones" logs into "cgist" and starts up xterm clients on an xterm.

3). User "smith" finishes working and logs out of "cgist".

4). One of user "jones" xterm clients now begins acting funny. User "jones"
    can execute "whoami" and get "jones" and then do it again and get "smith".

5). User "jones" must log out in order to clear this problem.

Any information and/or assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
We currently don't subscribe to this newsgroup so please reply via e-mail to:

	espiritu@cgi.com

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From: cws@mbunix.mitre.org (Chris)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Changing the input focus to a text widget
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:47:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.

Date: 1 Sep 92 16:33:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.163329.27948@linus.mitre.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics


Hi,

I've got a motif application that has a popup dialog with a matrix of
textwidgets, not unlike a spreadsheet layout.

I want to set up custom traversing of the widgets such that 

a. tabbing goes across a row
b. at the last widget in the row a tab goes to a widget not in the matrix
   but a return key at the last widget goes to the next row, first column
c. I'd also like to use the arrow keys to traverse
d. There are certain columns that are skipped on tab but not on a
   reverse tab. (col1 col2 col3 col5 -- but a back tab from col5 goes to
   col4 not col3!)


My first approach was to override the key translations, this works, in that I
can get to the correct function call, but I don't know how to select the 
text widget and make it the input focus.

I couldn't see how to accomplish 'c' or 'd' with tabgroups.

Any suggestions?  Am I overlooking something very obvious?

Thanks in advance (email and I'll summarize if appropriate)

Chris
From: scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xlock - worms mode not working on DS 5000/25
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:49:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Arizona State University

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:02:13 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170213.7113@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Has anybody built the version of xlock that has the worms mode on a DS 5000
series machine?  I've just done so and all the modes work fine except that
the worms mode fills the screen with a grid of dots that flash a series of
colors periodically.  Anybody seen this before?  When I built the same 
software on a Sun a few months back I had no woes.

Any help much appreciated.

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From: stevens@scubed.scubed.com (Jeff Stevens)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Disappearing command line arguments
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:32:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:59:54 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.035954.16698@scubed.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

  XtInitialize (and variants) removes all Xt command line arguments
from the command line list argv and reduces argc accordingly.  However,
it also removes a "-d" flag, and sometimes removes a "-t" flag.  "-d"
appears to be equivalent to "-display".  These are not documented toolkit 
options, and I can't find any reference to them in the X source code.

  Is this a bug or a feature?  Where and why are these arguments removed?
Are there any other undocumented flags extracted by the X initialization
routines?  Why is "-t" removed sometimes and sometimes not?  This is causing 
problems, since we use "-t" for another purpose.

  Sun Sparc OS 4.1.2, X11R5 patch level 16.

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From: shengj@acf3.nyu.edu (Jia Sheng)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Compiling X11R5 on HP9k/360 --- HELP!
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:44:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: New York University

Date: 25 Aug 92 19:45:10 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug25.194510.23578@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hi, after applying all patches on X11R5 source, I started to compile it on
HP9000/360(hpux6.5). Everything went smoothly except when buliding libXmu,
there is one error message:

	cc -c -O -Wc,-Nd4000,-Ns4100,-Ne700,-Np200,-Nw300 -DX_NOT_STDC_ENV -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL -DX_NOT_POSIX   -I../../.  -DSYSV     Xct.c
"Xct.c", line 293: size_t undefined
"Xct.c", line 293: incorrect function
"Xct.c", line 293: incorrect function
"Xct.c", line 325: size_t undefined
"Xct.c", line 325: incorrect function
"Xct.c", line 325: incorrect function
*** Error code 1

/****** line 293 of Xct.c ******/
	bcopy((char *)enc, (char *)ptr, len);
/****** line 325 of Xct.c ******/
    bcopy((char *)data->item, (char *)priv->itembuf, data->item_length);

I trace it to X11/Xfuncs.h

/****** Xfuncs.h ******/

#if (__STDC__ && !defined(X_NOT_STDC_ENV) && !defined(sun) && !defined(macII)) || defined(SVR4) || defined(hpux) || defined(_IBMR2)
#include <string.h>
#define bcopy(b1,b2,len) memmove(b2, b1, (size_t)(len))
#define bzero(b,len) memset(b, 0, (size_t)(len))
#define bcmp(b1,b2,len) memcmp(b1, b2, (size_t)(len))

Anybody know how to fix this problem?


Jonathan J. Sheng
Theoretical Chemistry, NYU
(212)998-8439
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From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X authority file utility: xauth
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:18:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:09:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.120951.2452@linus.mitre.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


So far, I have been using the ``xhost'' command to grant access to
other hosts to connect to my X server.  I have included the command
``xhost +'' in my .xinitrc, which allows any host (or users on that
host) to display clients on my server.  While this is not a
catastrophic situation, I would prefer to use xauth to grant access on
a USER basis instead of a HOST basis, allowing me (and only me) to
display clients running on different hosts.  I have tried (just like
it says on the manpage) 

	xauth extract -$DISPLAY | rsh other xauth merge -

I can log in to ``other'' and extract the information about the
original host.  The file ~/.Xauthority exists on both hosts (the
remote and the server) with -rw------- protection.

My question is:  What else needs to be done?  As it is, it does not
grant access as I expected.

Other information:

I am currently using X on a Sun Sparc 2, X11R4.  It is not possible
(or practical) for me to run xdm, since I don't have access to the
root password.

Thanks.
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From: halvers@procyon.crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:53:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

Date: 28 Aug 92 13:26:40 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.132640.15662@crd.ge.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <RJC.92Aug27125334@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.175124.19683@twg.com>, David Herron (dh) writes:
>dh> throw away the 3d borders and use a Mac (pre System 7) or
>dh> something written with Athena Widgets.  How does the user tell the
>dh> difference between a button and a text entry box?  They both look
>dh> *the* *same* (a box with text inside).
>
 ...
>
>In no way does any application need pseudo three-d weirdness just to
>tell a button from a text entry field. 

But the point to giving a button a visible "projection" isn't just to
distinguish it from other controls.  If that were the only reason, then
obviously you could make it a different shape, or a different font, or give
it an animated chaser marquee, or whatever.  The thing about having a 3d
look to a button is that, in theory anyway, it makes it much more evident
that it's supposed to be *pushed*.  To use Norman's term, it "affords"
pushing by providing a natural visual clue.  Similarly, the little 3d
widgies on the corners of an OpenLook window frame just beg to be grabbed
and pulled to stretch the window boundaries.  Conversely, something like
just making the buttons edges round gives no such visual clue unless you've
read the designer's style guide and sucessfully interned the
"round edges => pushable" association!

There *are* some bogus uses of 3d as well, no question, and some that
aren't as well-thought-out as they should be (I have the same problem as
another poster distinguishing state in Motif's check boxes/radio buttons),
but to indiscriminately trash all such features as "needless chrome" is to
ignore some very powerful stimuli that define how humans interact with
objects in the world.



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Schenectady, NY
From: tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: .login not read???
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:26:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: nasa-jsc

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:30:07 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.153007.6715@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


The .login file is not read when I start up X on my Silicon Graphics 
using the 4.0.2 operating system running under X11R4.  This is not read
on any of the Silicon Graphics we have.  The .xsession is read, but no 
.login,  What am I doing wrong??? or what do I need to do???

		Thanks for your help

				tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov