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From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: The missing Japanese lady (Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!)
Date: 2 Jan 93 09:04:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Rikiya Asano) writes:
>
>First of all, I would like to thank you for you very informative post. I
>am also delighted that I learnt this from a Korean. It is against
>Nippon's constitution
>for the Government to partake in any spying in any form. N. Ko-ryo is no
>threat to Nippon therefore any spying there is considered "Offensive".
>"Trying to verify", this is very bias to me. If this woman was kidnapped
>from Nippon, surely her family/friends would would have come forward and
>'everyone' in the 'free' world would have been bombarded with this
>information from then until the day Christ Jesus comes! 

The woman was not a spy working for Japan or anything like that but
an ordinary Japanese lady who supposedly had been kidnapped to North Korea.
She only ended up working for the North Koreans as a Japanese Language
instructor after she was kidnapped to North Korea.

I think the problem that the Japanese officials are having trouble with
is establishing the identity of the women in the first place. Note that
everywhere there are many people who disappear not only from foul play
such as kidnapping or murder but for other reasons as well. Sometimes
people don't want to be found ... maybe they owe money to somebody or
felt really depressed...

The first time the Japanese ever heard about this woman was from a 
somewhat sketchy testimony from a North Korean agent who had been
captured by the South Koreans. The Japanese government would first
have to search through past files for a missing person who matches
the description given in the agent's testimony. I'm not even sure they have
any pictures of the woman. So she could be one of many people have
been reported missing, or even worse if she did not have anybody
close to her one of the people who are not reported missing. Already
this sounds like a pretty difficult task. 

As for the woman's friends or family, if indeed she was kidnapped by the 
North Koreans, they would not know about it. They'd be just one of many 
people in Japan who had somebody they know disappear for no apparant reason. 

Since everything starts from such sketchy traces, I doubt the Japanese
can establish anything without the cooperation of the North Koreans,
which I think they are rightfully trying to obtain.
-Hanhwe Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Subject: Re: wife beating
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:15:24 GMT

In article <1263@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>
>In Taiwan, koreans have a reputation of beating their wives. 
........stuff deleted
>- jon
___________________________________________________________________
Jon,
Recently, on December 28, 1992 a Korean Mr. Jae Chul Choe in Richmond
California unhappy with his divorce and other family problems shot and
killed 2 police officers, injured his wife and 16 year old son and then
shot himself to death.  I have heard from one of my friends who knows a
police officer in the San Jose area in California that most of the calls
they get on domestic disputes are from Asian-Americans (Chinese, Koreans ,
Vietnamese, Indians etc)...apparently it is a very unfortunate but common
problem.

I don't quite know the exact reasons, however in the Case of Mr. Jae Chul
Choe he just could not bear the fact that his wife filed for divorce, that
he considered a shame for himself and his family .  Anyway I also read that
he was very abusive and beat his wife in front of his children all the time
and one time his son intervened and the last time he intervened he was shot.

Domestic violence seems to be a problem in the Asian-American community in
general.  It will be interesting to know if anyone of you has any more
insight on this subject.

Well, Jon I don't mean to imply with all the above that you are anyway a
wife beater!!

Bye!!!

Arvind Mallya
armally@pacbell.com

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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Footnotes to this overheated thread
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:40:25 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


we all agreed that korea need a REAL party based on policies
not on region.
Here i'd like to discuss how we can get such a party.
and if there is now in korea a party which can be such a REAL party or not.

I think MINJOO would be the REAL party and be rooted
solidly in korean politics.
some say MINJOO is HONAM party.
well, some might say that until now.
but from now on after DJ retired, it is not true.
let's see who are the leading figures in MINJOO now.
names in my mind now are:
	name		 place of birth
	Lee KeeTaek	Busan
	Chung DaeChul	Seoul
	Cho SeHyung	Seoul
	Lee BooYoung	Seoul
	Rho MooHyun	Busan
	Hong Saduk	KyungBook

and we all agree we need new faces with scientific thoughts
who will purify our politics.
the group which fits the role of doing it all is, i think,
the group (i don't remember the name) in MINJOO
which has been merged by three groups, 
   previous group name	leading figure
   PyungMin-Rhun   (Park YoungSook - wife of Ahn ByungMoo, famous theologist)
   Min-Ryun	   (Lee WooJung)
   MinMin-Ryun	   (Lee BooYoung)

i think these people are the politicians who will unite people 
and purify our politics.
it's clear that someone who want uncorrupted politics
and want to unite people should support such a group.
Support such a group and let them grow.
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From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Subject: Re: What Is President Kim's..
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:48:07 GMT

In article <wfEFIE200iV4Q2pgsO@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Hi,
>
>.
>
>             I would like to know what Presidents Kim's thoughts/policy
_________________________________________________________________________
Hello Rikiya,


Hello Rikiya,
Hangul is the Korean Langauge, Hangook-sarram is a Korean person. I think
you meant Korea in your above post,

Arvind Mallya
From: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:19:18 GMT
Reply-To: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector

> My name is Hyunsuk Seung, and I am hungry.  How about you?



   Hey, if you are hungry, then go to the Korey-Jung on 5th street.

	And ask owner if he/she remember me...
From: wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:53:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gfEcfoG00iUyM306Bc
	<MfEXZCe00iV142mbAh@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
 
>           My contact to this group is not for the mere showing of
>friendship to the Hunguk(Thanks Han-Jung Kim) people. I have been friend
>with Koreans for a long time now. I have a special interest in seeing
>Ko-ryo to become whole once more. The interest is now at an all time
>high intensity. Being Japanese I have
>in repecting the other humans which is contrary to the ideas of those
>stoopid silly basters of the past. I would like to know what the New
>President's position on North Ko-ryo and Hanguk's reunification! Thank
>you!


   I don't think Kim YS would make a drastic change in the policy with N
Korea. The main obstacle of the reunification of Korean peninsula is the
hard core line of N Korea, but S korean politician don't want the
reunification either. For Kim YS, he doesn't want to bother by change
the korean society in different direction since the current system
ensured his presidency. He will try to keep the current status in the
relation with N Korea.

   Politicians are not interested in the reunification. They just  make
use of the reunification issues for their interests. To reunify Korea,
the driving force must come from people of S/N Korea, not from the
gorvenment or politicians. Due to the effort of students in S Korea, the
reunification issue has become a serious problem. However, still the
ardor is not very high enough to move toward the reunification of Korea.

Woncheol
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:04:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.192228.7191@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>>   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
>>   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
>>   idea 
>
>This is not true. Here are their officail responses in 'Kwanhun Club'.
>	
>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>                                complex national issues.)
>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>
>Happy holiday!


Yup! Your analysis is so exact.  I agree.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Parliamentary System
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.172044.9678@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>(of course, I'm fully aware that Prez. Park provoked 
>this explicitly (ShinDongA)), 

right, i think we all know that the direct root of the ridiculous 
feeling is the long 20 years of park's regime.
during his regime, he had filled all important positions in military
,in cabinet and in economy with guys from KyungSang province only.
and had given special favors to KyungSang province in all respects.

>it is not difficult to imagine that this
>dirty feeling will appear again and again (ex. Pusan plot in this election).

yes, that is why i was disappointed with this election.
It was obvious by Pusan plot that the group who provoke
and use the dirty emotional feeling is MINJJA.
but the Pusan plot incident have not affected againt MINJJA at all.
rather it helped MINJJA.
we should have voted against MINJJA who provoked and used the dirty feeling.
it is sad but yet koreans are not politically mature enough.

anyone knows what is going on the guys involved in Pusan Plot?
are they going to be put in jail ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:34:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.182515.21087@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.121400.48@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.100424.27476@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>>>Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?
>>>
>>
>>I happended to finger him (not her - i think)
>>according to the following, his REAL name is Hyunsuk Seung.
>>and studing anatomy in penn.
>>
>>Hey, Hyunsuk.
>>tell the truth, who really you are and what your real opinion is.
>>or shut up, ok?
>>
>
>
>Geez, guys.  
>
>Please take that cucumber out and relax.
>
>Why is it so important to you what his real name is?  He apparently didn't
>try to hide his name.  I am sure he knew about "finger" and could have beat
>that program if he wanted to.
>
>If you are not familiar with him, Mr. Hyunsuk Seung (a.k.a. Roland H Seung,
>Rachel H Seung, Ho-Dor Seung) is the resident contributor of s.c.k. with
>his MPS (Multi-Personality Syndrome) babbles and incredible appetite for
>Korean food.  I am pretty sure he is a pretty sick human being, but I, for
>one, have found his articles funny, amusing and well-written.  If you
>cannot stand him or his style, there is always a KILL file.  Election is
>important and everything, but this group can always use some spice.
>
>Inhale.  
>
>Good.
>
>Andy Kim

I am sorry, Ho Dor Seung.  I thought you were a normal person.
To blame an abnormal person is a heavy sin.  Please accept
my apology.  What a weird world..... I feel goosefresh.....
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:25:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
Logic can not explain and solve the practical problems. Sometimes 
it is necessary to deal with special and sensitive cases between two 
countries.

Refer to John F kennedy. He even made a business with USSR behind the
surface politics.

Of cause, it is desirable that all the logical dicision matches the
practical measures and current complicate international problem, but
it seems almost impossible to handle such a problem without underwater
deal. I believe that this world deserves this kind of mismatching.
As I become older and older, I feel that logic seems not work by itself.
and it requires some degree of ambiguity.

   Of cause, you are right! I do not think that logic can solve the practical
   problem, either. It is not the reason why I bright LOGIC here. It was 
   because we were arguing with different opinions. In case, if we do want 
   to discuss different poin-of-views, we have to rely on logic to persuade
   the other party.   

   In addition, we do not have any perfect logic to explain complex real
   practical problem.   Thank you for your wisdom. I do agree with you
   in that sense.
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:47:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfEvvUW00WBOM2JxAI
	<MfEXZCe00iV142mbAh@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<gfEcfoG00iUyM306Bc@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Woncheal Choi wrote:


>   Politicians are not interested in the reunification. They just  make
>use of the reunification issues for their interests. To reunify Korea,
>the driving force must come from people of S/N Korea, not from the
>gorvenment or politicians. Due to the effort of students in S Korea, the
>reunification issue has become a serious problem. However, still the
>ardor is not very high enough to move toward the reunification of Korea.

I am cofused by the above statement. Question: Do the people(students
included) want one Korea? If so, why are leaders elected who are not
interested? I remember the stories of young student protesting this
separation. One fifteen year-old boy burned himself alive in the
classroom. As I have said before, I have an interest in seeing Korea as
one. Please, I am not political on this issue. This is purely a humanity
issue. So, please don't be disturbed by what I am about to say. I am
attracted to N. Korea. Communism as well as capitalism
is nothing to me. Both have the same ends but different means. What I am
interested in is that the people of N.korea are not set on the same
'straving trail" as the former Soviet Union. Or S. Korea when it is
reunited by propelled
into the same economic depression as Germany. The People of N. Korea are
special to me. So, enlight of this new revelation, it is of an urgent
matter that you(if you have any) put the political diferences aside and
reach out to your brother and sisters and my cousins.

        A few weeks ago N. Korea and Nippon had some type of meeting as
to their
mutual relationship. Now get this, the ldp(liberal democrartic party
which is really compared to The Reagan/Bush ultra-conservative
administrations but with a 'brown nose') said something or other as to
the disappearence of a kidnapped Japanese woman. The N. Koreans walked
out! I would have walked out too. After all the killing, raping,
torturing and other animalistic barbarian acts that the Japanese
imperialistic military has done we ask a question about some fictious 
woman. What is this woman's name? Where is her family? Who else knows
about this? Where is the proof? This is another sad political game
between Capitalism and Communism. I am not so concerned about petty
politicians. What I'am concerned about is that the N. Ko-ryuan youth
have enough to eat a well balanced meal as I do. And, that s/he can have
the opportunity toward education just as I
am or better. S. Korea also has many of these problems which I am just
as deeply concerned. So, back to square one: Does the new president and
his government have an effective policy/idea(positive) as to N.korea and
S.korea 's future relationship. Thank you!
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE: Parliamentary System
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:20:44 GMT
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brandeis University

>tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>> hojoon@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hojoon Choi) writes:
>> 
>> >Is there anyone who prefer this system?
>> >Then could you let me know the reason?
>> 
>> 
>> According to a poll (which was taken before the elction), 
>> 35% (36%?) people supported parliamentary system and
>> 34% (35%?) people supported presidential system.
>> Parliamentary system supporters somehow think that it can cure 
>> 'Jiyok Kamjong'.
>> 
>
>If the Pparliamentary system is to cure the so-called 'Jiyok Kamjong' problem,
>I don't think it is the best way. That system may cause inefficiency in
>solving one of the hottest problem, Korean economy, and may cause more rotten
>politics. 

Well, Parliamentary system may not be a bad idea just to cure 'Jiyok Kamjong'.
Since 'Jiyok kamjong' is rooted in fighting between two regions to get
national hegemony (of course, I'm fully aware that Prez. Park provoked 
this explicitly (ShinDongA)), it is not difficult to imagine that this
dirty feeling will appear again and again (ex. Pusan plot in this election).
But in the Parliamentary system, people may be able to choose congressman
by their ability and policy not by their home town, since usually candidates
run in their home towns. 
But I think we can also cure by full fledged 'Jibang jachije' under
the presidential system. If this dirty feeling is rooted in 
'power struggle to get the national hegemony', it is not difficult to 
imagine that the full fledged 'Jibang Jachije' will reduce the importance of
getting national hegemony, rather under that system, 
they might fight within the region. 
I began to read a magazine since last summer, so I'm not an expert
on social problems (but I can answer anything about biology :)   ) 

Have a nice day!
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From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: To Ho Dor Seung
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:04:24 GMT

Are you a student in University of Penn. or University of Hamheung?

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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:58:49 GMT

In article <85872@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>     Do you know "KYUNG-SIL-YOEN" invited the cheap policy makers from 
>     major parties and concluded all election promises are vulanable and 
>     unrealistic because no party took account of budget side. 
>

but they said among three party's economic policies,
MINJOO's was the most logical.
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: wife beating
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:57:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1263
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


In Taiwan, koreans have a reputation of beating their wives. 

This image is so strong that a taiwanese female friend
of mine once had to argue with her parents that her 
korean fiance ( not me :) is not like that at all.
Her parents were worried that once married, he will
make her life miserable.

flames encouraged

- jon
From: dongsoo@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Christmas Eve in Seoul (Little bit long!)
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:51:30 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <103148@netnews.upenn.edu>, hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung) writes:
> 
> EonNi OBba AnNyung!
> 
> My name is Rachael (aka HeJa).  Every Christmas eve, I am tormented by
> a horrible experience I had at a department store in Seoul.  Although
>
>........................
> 
> --
> Rachael H. Seung                   *   *         Salsa Today 
> hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu       \|/ \|/        Shopping Tomorrow

          
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   that bitch's really nasty. (Actually, every bitch's nasty, isn't it?)
   Don't you think she is nastier than you? 
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From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: Post-election thought.
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:12:34 GMT

In article <85765@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)  wrote:
>Date: 20 Dec 92 03:41:26 GMT
>
>  Here goes my simple thoughts somewhat different from many of netters.
>
...........
>  Just cheap and unorganized thought!
> 

Mr. Byungtae Lee :
What do you expect from president Kim Young Sam as a his supporter (who would 
vote for him if you were in Korea, at least) ?
I just want to listen to your opinion.

Thank you.
From: hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Byun Jin-Seop (was Re: Hot food and pop music)
Date: 23 Dec 92 05:56:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <102733@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>"HiMang SaHang (Wish List)" (this is from memory).
>
>A girl who does not have big stomach even if she eats a lot
>...
>A girl who makes good KimChi BokKumBap
>...
>A girl who makes good ChungGukJang
>...
>A girl who makes good DdeokPokKi
>...
>La la la la la...
>La la la la la...
>La la la la la...
>I like such girl
>I like such girl

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hseung@salsa.seas.university-of-pennsylvania.edu
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