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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: John K. Speaks: 9/28 L.A. Times Article (long)
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:57:23 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

In article <1a803lINN33o@phakt.usc.edu>, zuckerma@phakt.usc.edu (David Zuckerman) writes:
|> Here's the front-page story of Monday's _Los Angeles Times_ Calendar section.
|> It's a bit long, but it's chock full of info.  Copied without permission.
|> 
|> --begin included article
|> 
|> "REN & STIMPY" AND THEIR CREATOR: PARTING OF WAYS
|>
|> Kricfalusi, who has been known to submit storyboards for network approval
|> and then animate something quite different, also bumped heads with
|> Nickelodeon over content.  Nickelodeon recently shelved two completed
|> cartoons, starring a new character named George Liquor, because they were
|> too offensive.  One of the episodes, "Man's Best Friend," shows Ren
|> bashing in Liquor's head with a wooden oar -- in black-and-white slow
|> motion a la "Raging Bull."  Several sources in the animation community
|> who have seen the episode say it's Kricfalusi's best work.
|> 

  What I would give to see these two "lost-episodes" (tm)  :-(

|> 
|> Executives at Nickelodeon would not comment on this story.  But one
|> animation story editor offered his view of Nickelodeon's decision to can
|> Kricfalusi: "Nickelodeon realized they have one of the hottest shows in
|> the country right now, and a potential merchandizing bonanza if they can
|> get new shows to the public.  And John is sitting on the shows.  That's
|> something he's always done, and it makes him brilliant.  It makes his
|> shows fine art.  But Nickelodeon wants product."

  I believe that this quote is at the heart of why people tend to *hate*
business executives.  All that they see is $$$$$$$$ (dollar signs...)


Death to those [long list of rude and execessive obscenities deleted
for the benefit of the "young Nick viewers" >:-( ] network Executives!!!

-Paul "you can never be too bitter" Dokas
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: John K. Speaks: 9/28 L.A. Times Article (long)
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:43:12 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <1992Oct2.220458.21813@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curry@ausvmv.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>stuff in Orlando (home of Nick / Univ. studios) and he said Nick is 
>ticking off all types because they are sooooo tight with money right
>now.  It seems that Nick is not doing all that well, spent a lot of 
>$$$ on some things up front and not getting a big enough return to 
>keep the higher-ups happy.  They are desperate to save cash wherever

Basically, Rugrats and Doug are American Dollars spent with no
discernible Artistic Value-added.

There's some production executives up at Nick that need their
severances processed.

				--Blair
				  "Okay, so we go with the ugly,
				   stilted, gross stuff and let's
				   get rid of Ren 'n Stimpy..."
				   -TV Pinheads at work...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Nurse Stimpy, is it cut?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:12:03 GMT

(Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>And I was in the other room at the time, but I could
>*swear* they cut the bit in "Robin Hoek" where the father of "the poor"
>decides to take off with the cash instead of sharing it with his family. 

Well, I stood there and watched it, and I don't recall it looking
anymore editted than usual.


Still, If JohnK is gone, there will be no more Ren and Stimpy as
far as I am concerned.


Rendell
Newsgroups: alt.tv.la-law
From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Where have all the lawyers gone?
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:25:00 PST

In article <1992Sep24.025859.5521@udel.edu>, awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
> 	Within the first few minutes of the season opener last year, 
> one of the charaters said that Abby had left to become a partner at
> another firm (better job, more money).  Michelle Green released a 
> press statement before that stating that she was didn't feel the part
> was furthering her career, so she would leave the show to pursue
> other interests (or something to that effect).  I've seen here in a 
> few televised programs since then, but I can't remember which ones.
> 
> 	I'm disappointed that so much of the new cast is (potentially)
> leaving.  I don't think I can swallow having Arnie returning to his
> string of shallow relationships and I certainly don't want to spend half 
> the time watching Ann and Stewart... ah well, at least I can watch
> Susan Dey on _Love&War_.


AAAAAAAUGHH! Tell me about it. Watching the second season reruns on Lifetime, I
have somehow lost all ability to watch Ann without wanting to spray the cat
punishment bottle at the television.

Also, I agree with the thing about Arnie... I've spent so much time convincing
my fiancee that he was actually growing (if slowly) as a character that to send
him right back to square one would just kill any chances of getting her to
believe me.

So, of the new cast members (i.e., non-charter, non-Jonathan) who _is_ staying?
 
> Psycho Kitten   \ Can I buy a clue please?   \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
> Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe

-----
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.la-law
From: dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff)
Subject: season premiere
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:06:25 GMT

Does anyone know when the season premiere will be?  
(Sorry if it has been posted already - if so, I missed it.)

Thanks!

Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: cs922094@ariel.yorku.ca (IAN S. NATHANSON)
Subject: Maggie's GREAT ESCAPE
Originator: cs922094@a12.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:30:47 GMT



Maggie spoke! Maggie spoke! On OH! STREETCAR episode she sighed "Oooooohhhhh!"
The gods have given Maggie a voice....who's doing that sigh, BTW?

The GREAT ESCAPE references were hilarious. Bouncing the ball inside the "cage",
the attempt to retrieve the pacifiers at the AYN RAND day care; I'm still recovering from laughter pains. 

Any other comments? Anyone? Don't all jump up at once!

Ian (cs922094@ariel.yorku.ca)
From: winnipg@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Winnipg)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Simpsons & Toyota
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:14:06 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Up here in Canada are tv and newspaper ads featuring o.f.f. and get 
this..the new line of Toyota vehicles! Do our friends to the south also 
get to see these ads/commercials?

And what do you think about Homer 'USA! USA!' Simpson driving a Toyota?

--- (Winnipg) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
E-mail: winnipg@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
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From: rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Re: Kamp Krusty
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:25:25 GMT

In article <1a6qsqINNt0@cs.widener.edu> syracurg@lp.musc.edu writes:
>
>     Uh, could we decide early on, whether this season's numbering
>   is 8f or 9f?

All I know is that `Kamp Krusty' -is- 8F24; no doubts, checked twice.

I dunno if `Streetcar Named Marge' will be 9F01 or what...  Will have
to wait until Thursday for that.  Some have suggested that `Kamp...'
was a leftover from last season, hence the 8F...

Regards,
--
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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Slammin' John K?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:52:44 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


Andy Patrizio) writes...

>Groening better appreciate what we haveof Ren & Stimpy. I heard creator 
>John Kricfalusi has been fired by Nickelodeon because he only produced 2 
>episodes. Damn idiot. He's been fired from every animation studio in 
>Hollywood, gets an Emmy-nominated show on his own terms, has a hugely 
>successful merchandising line, and he blows it. I don't feel sorry for 
>him, unless maybe his wife is dying or something.
> 

Would it help your opinion of John K. if you knew that he refused to make Ren 
and Stimpy "child-safe" for the conservatives at Nick, so they axed his budget 
in order to make him late and have a REASON to fire him? I remember a similar 
problem with Simpsons, but the solution made sense - hire more animators! Now 
Nick owns Ren and Stimpy, and they are editing the old episodes as we speak so 
that our favorite cat and dog show will be more marketable to the Toys-R-Us 
crowd. After all, the real money is to be made in marketing, not the show 
itself.


				- Ashley
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: 8F24 Kamp Krusty
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:56:39 GMT

brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James P. Brewer) writes:

>>
>>These three hoodlums (whose names I forget) have been on the show in one
>>capacity or another ever since the first season.  They've been the generic
>>thugs of Springfield for a long time.  For example, they egged the Simpson
>>house back to the Stone Age in "Treehouse of Horror II."
>>
>>
>>                                               --Steve Stelter
>>                                                 sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


>Weren't they also the same folks that convinced Bart to saw the head off of the
>statue of Ebidiah Jeremiah Zebidiah whatever his name was?  I'm  sure it was 
>the same three BAAAAD seeds.

Yup.  Same guys.

                                             --Steve Stelter
                                               sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: 9F24: Kamp Krusty
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:13:12
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: rcharbon@athena.mit.edu's message of 25 Sep 92 16:37:42 GMT

>> I think you missed the funniest thing in his locker, which
>> was a potato suspended with toothpicks in a glass of water,
>> overgrown with roots.
> September 24th - still a potato.

=o= You mean, "still a potatoe."  Bart uses the Quayl spelling.
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From: bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
Subject: Itchy and scratchy GIF or JPG
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:15:22 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique

Hi!

I'm searching a site that contain Itchy and Scratchy GIF and/or JPG.

Thank you again,

     Joel

-- 
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Universite de Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
From: frazo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (%$!#@!*%@#!)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
Subject: YOU people
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:16:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Gawd!!! I reeeeeelly reeeeeeeelly LOVE you people!!!


Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
From: markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: YOU people
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:13:11 GMT

In article <38947@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> frazo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (%$!#@!*%@#!) writes:
>
>
>Gawd!!! I reeeeeelly reeeeeeeelly LOVE you people!!!
>
>
Gee I'm speechless!
From: jmmannin@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MCCOTTER MANNING)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
Subject: Re: YOU people
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:59:56 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <92279.110640U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> U37426@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>      I am appalled!!!!!
I didn't know your name was Paul...
Also, please post any sites for ITCHY-SCRATHCY Gif's/Jpg's.
James
From: U37426@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
Subject: Re: YOU people
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:06:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


      I am appalled!!!!!
From: v125p7c5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy
Subject: Gif
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	please post them or post the ftp site that we could find them at.
	thanks in advance

						Michael Lamanna
					     University At Buffalo
					       Civil Engineering

	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission."


lamanna@ubunix.cc.buffalo.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: bonk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Bonk)
Subject: Itchy and Scratchy 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:29:07 GMT

Somehow I lost the Itchy and Scratchy synopsis list that appears
every so often on this newsgroup.  Could someone either mail me or
repost it?  


					Thanks-
					bonk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
ZZ
From: stapleton@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Dr. Ross Alan Stapleton)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Streetcar blows!
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
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In article <1992Oct3.000528.24979@netcom.com>, zoetrope@netcom.com (Devan DzM MacFarlane) writes...
>The world paused when pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) said:
>>my friends and I consider
>>ourselves fairly well educated
> 
>But then, most Americans consider themselves "fairly well educated".

"The world paused..."  It's a good thing I wasn't drinking milk at the
time, or...  Thank's for making my evening, Devan!  :-)

I agree with some of the other posters, Vincent: there's more to life than
Saturday Night Live and Marvel comic books.   I've never seen or read
"Streetcar Named Desire," but certainly knew something of it; enough to
catch all of the major points, and to want to see it, and laugh all the
harder...

I liked the expansion on some of the minor characters, e.g., Chief Wiggum
and Apu.   Wiggum asking for a brownie was hilarious, and his interest in
the theater shows a dedicated, community-minded spirit!   Also, who was the
Indian in the audience?   He was too thin to be Sanjay, but we haven't
heard of any other relatives.

Ross
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: japg6581@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Petterchak)
Subject: Tatum = Tyson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:30:35 GMT

Did anyone notice that the "token black judge" was boxer Drederick (sp?)
Tatum?  Wasn't this a reference to that famous boxer/beauty-contestant-judge
Mike Tyson?
From: jcl@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (John C. Laviolette)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: A Streetcar Named Marge
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:40:02 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

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In article <1agluaINNggm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Bucky Whaley) writes:
>
>I loved it too.  The whole idea of doing Streetcar as a musical in the
>first place cracks me up.  And that closing number was completely loony.
>
>The opening of the Miss American Girl pageant was hysterical, too.  The
>song the contestants were singing was Janis Iain's (sp?) "At Seventeen,"
>one of the most painfully confessional hymns to female teen-aged angst
>ever recorded.  Fortunately, the pageant's script only called for the
>first two lines (um, I think they're "I learned the truth at seventeen /
>That life belongs to beauty queens..."), thus allowing the jolly 
>interpretation we heard from the contestants.  Wish I could remember
>the next few lines.  I just recall that the song's POV is that of an
>utterly miserable, alienated adolescent.
 
    Yeah!  I died laughing when they took a depressing, self-pitying song
and tried to make it sound cheery (isn't that what beauty pageants are
all about?  Superficial rosiness?)
    I also thought the irony of a bunch of beauty queens singing those
particular lines was... well, IRONIC.
    As for the musical: I though it was pretty funny.  I suppose I was in
a very lucky position, though: "A Streetcar Named Desire" was playing
(with "The Wild One") at a local theater the preceeding night.
    The opening number about New Orleans reminded me, for some reason, of
"Sweeny Todd" ("There's No Place Like London".)
    And I think the title "Oh Streetcar!" was also a joking reference to
"Oh Calcutta!"
    
    The episode was pretty funny  --  but there were some misses.  Why
didn't Lisa make any disparaging comments on the shameless exploitation of
beauty pageants?
    And why didn't Barney audition for the part of Stanley?  ("Stella!
<belch!>")
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From: larrym@flense.tv.tek.com (Larry Morandi)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: `Streetcare Named Marge' - 8f18 - All the lyrics!
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:44:38 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Products

In article <1992Oct2.182612.17094@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter) writes:
>Chief Wiggums (as ?)
>   Long before the SuperDome...
>   Where the Saints of football play...
>   Lived a city that the Damned called Home...
>   Hear their Hellish rondolay...               (sp? A rondo is a `round')

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

  rondelet (ron' duh let [sort of, hard without the right font])
  n.  A short rondeau having five or sevel lines and one refrain in one
  stanza.  {Old French, diminutive of rondel.}

  rondel (ron' del  or ron' dul)
  n. A rondeau that usually has 14 lines.  Also called "roundel". [Middle
  English, from Old French, "small circle" (from the repetition of the
  first lines at the end of the poem), from ronde, rounde, round.]

  rondeau (ron' dough  or ron dough')
  n. 1. A lyrical poem of French origin having 13 or, sometimes, 10, lines
  with two rymes throughout, and with the opening phrase repeated twice as a
  refrain.  Also called "roundel".  2. Music.  A monophonic trouve`re song.
  {that accent should be over the "e"} [Old French, variant of rondel]
From: syracurg@lp.musc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: RE: Leaves of 3...
Date: 29 Sep 1992 10:08:26 -0400
Organization: Widener University Mail/News Gateway
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     Since no one has ventured a more logical explanation for "...leaves
   of four...", I'd venture to say: Consider the source - "leaves of
   four" is pure Homer spouting one of his frequent non sequiturs. It's
   funny because, as usual, he's got eating on the brain.
     MMMmmmm leaves of four!
From: fjs@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Yet another possible reference in ASNM
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:48:05 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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If you are generically listening to the dialogue, I believe that Bart
was speaking about how he didn't have to go to school because of, "..a 
pain in his gulliver."

If someone else knows the "true" meaning, I would be interested in
knowing where this comes from.`

Frank Sereno
Kansas State University
Manhattan, Ks

"Where the men are men, and the sheep are scared...."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: ejohnson@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Eric E. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand School
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:22:00 GMT

thove@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (hove tom) writes:

>One of the quotes on the wall was something like "Help is futile."  Is this
>perhaps a slogan from Rand's "The Virtue of Selfishness"? 

No.

Eric Johnson
ejohnson@a.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.simpsons
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: springfield is in .....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:00:45 GMT

langrock@rice.edu (David Jeffrey Langrock) writes:


>In article <199209271909.AA20182@ub.d.umn.edu>, rnelson@UB.D.UMN.EDU (Ron Nelson) writes:
>|> 
>|> Now.....not that we are eager to start up the "Where is Springfield" Debate or 
>|> nothing....but.......Well, we are going to do it anyways.
>|> IT IS IN MINNESOTA!!!!!!!!!!!
>|> 
>|> Now the reason that we say this is the references to that delicacy Lutefisk 
>|> (mmmmmmmm....Lutefisk).  Only in Minnesota do you have Lutefisk celebrations
>|> (this may have to do with brains freezing (aka Homer in Simpson & Delilah)).
>|> During the Lutefisk season here, we have lutefisk recipes given during the 
>|> local evening news.  Poems are recited, sometimes involving dog urine.  We 
>|> are not making this up.  How many other areas can brag about this?  Not many,
>|> so the argument is over!  I'm sure this is the last time you will ever hear
>|> about this.  <grin>

>I probably shouldn't, but since I am pretty new to this group and have yet to 
>read any other posts about the subject, I will post my opinion.

>Springfield is in California.

>Clearly, Springfield must be in a state which borders Nevada.  (Marge and Homer
>got married in a wedding chapel/casino "just across the state line").  Since Arizona and Utah do not have cities named Springfield, that leaves California, Oregon and Idaho.  The fact that Krusty drove the kids to Tijuana seems to point
>to California (although two weeks is more than enough time to get to Tijuana and
>back from any state in the contiguous 48, much less Oregon and Idaho.)

>There are more references that clearly put Springfield in the west.  For instance
>when Santa's Little Helper escapes, he encounters a grizzly bear.  etc.

Ah, but in "I Married Marge," we see Homer working in a Springfield
colonial tourist attraction, placing Springfield in one of the New England
states.  (Dammit, now they've got *me* arguing about this...and after I
promised I wouldn't... :)


                              --Steve "You, good sir, are fired!" Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu