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From: TANTS@DTPVX2.NCIFCRF.GOV ("Tants, Rebecca E.")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Contact Question
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9208192135.AA20146

Greetings onto my Lords and Ladies of the Rialto -

I will be moving to the San Francisco bay area (Berkeley/Oakland/Alameda)
on September 1st.  I'm looking for any and all contact/event information
for that region, specifically for september (need to figure if i have to
pack garb in my suitcase for the month i'll be living out of it before my
stuff arrives....)

Any and all help would be appreciated.  

Thank You!

Kyla ab' Rhuad

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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Organization: The Rialto
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:31:39 GMT

Nicholas van Leyden writes:
 
>Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander) writes:
> 
>>>[quoting Nicholas' earlier post]
>>>This sounds like an interesting idea, but it might run into the
>>>same problem that period encampments such as Cariadoc's Enchanged
>>>Ground face: people want to camp with their friends.  
> 
>>This need not be a problem:  if adequate security arrangements can 
>>be made, people will not feel the need to camp with their tools.
>
>True, but that is a slightly different idea from the original one,
>which was to have an arts and sciences *encampment.*
 
Actually, what Vajk originally suggested was "A large tent or
pavilion, OR PERHAPS an encampment [emphasis added]".  I was 
agreeing with Nicholas (surprise!) about a potential problem with
the second of the possibilities Vajk offered, and suggesting that
this problem argues for the first of those possibilities.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:29:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <714207616.F00003@blkcat.UUCP> Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson) writes:
> 
>> Someone or some group constructed a picture of an early period horse
>> the size of a football field on the side of the hill overlooking
>> the battlefield...  It looked like the "lines" were drawn with
>> 60"-wide white fabric of some sort and the effect was quite impressive.
> 
>Pity some &*#@%$ vandalized it before the aerial photos were taken... :(

I got several good pictures of it from ground-level, with my muckin' great
zoom lens.  If they come out, as I hope they may, I'll offer copies to
the Pennsic photo print purveyors.


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: jde@Unify.com (Jeff Evarts)
Subject: Period Archery Physics.
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:06:44 GMT

In article <01GNIAVZEQTC9N41OL@MEDCOR.MCGILL.CA>, DAVID@bmeucl.medcor.mcgill.ca writes:
> Hal writes:
> >every inch, the result is inch-pounds.  (Our cousins across various
> >seas may with to use centimeter-kilograms.)
> 
> ERG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)
> 
> For the physics impared, an erg is a dyne - cm (force multiplied by distance)
> The MKS equivalent is the Joule, or Newton - meter. 
> 
> All kidding aside, though, your suggestion:                              
> >The most practical method would be to fasten a bow horizontally, belly
> >(and string down).  Take a spring scale and a ruler and measure the
> >pull every inch.  Sum the pull measurements. 
> 
> ...
> 
> What we really want to get a handle on is the energy that is transferred to 
> the arrow (or bolt).  If we could measure the velocity of the arrow when 
> it leaves the bow, K.E. = 0.5 m v^2.
> ...
> 
> draw * wieght gives a meaningless number, as it ignores such factors as the
> shape of the force curve of the bow, the 'transfer efficiency' of the bow, the
> height of the string, ...
> 
> Dafydd y Peireannydd

Repeat after me... "I love the Rialto".

It would be awefully difficult to have this conversation at an event,
don`t you think? I can just see one guy in armor dresses as a 1500s
heavy fighter, the other dressed as an archer from 900-some, sitting
there talking about intregal calculus...

ObPeriodStuff: How many men in the world could have had a conversation
containing these concepts (the terms came much too late) in each
century from 600-1600?

The Rialto: where the best of the past and the present meet.

-Conneor Andemon Dubghall O`Flynn
--Golden Rivers, Cynagua, The West
---jde@unify.com
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:40:58 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

> Ailsa blamed modern ideas of colour-co-ordination on the Puritans.
>
> I would prefer to pin the ideas on Beau Brummel, who influenced the Prince
> Regent to make the dark suit the uniform of the English court.  It's much
> easier for me to envision widespread fashion influence from Beau Brummel
> than it is to imagine English people wanting to dress like puritans.
>
> Why do puritans get such a bad rap, anyhow?
>

that was a theory, not a blaming, but anyway.  i tend to thin that the puritan
opinions on dress and tastefulness had a lot more effect on american fashion
than the tastes of beau brummel.  especially since post-brummel women's
clothing was still not color coordinated by our standards (or by MY standards,
anyway).

the puritans affected quite a lot that is american, so why not color tastes?
(and they get a bad rap brecause they were a pretty oppressive intolerant
bunch, who were perfectly happy to religiously oppress OTHER people, even
though they didn't like it done to themselves.)

                                                  -ailsa


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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Rialto Party
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:55:55 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

In article <MeWFeny00WB9M2lEkd@andrew.cmu.edu>, David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> The Rialto party at Pennsic was last night.  It was delightful, truly.
> Yaakov and his lady and the Carolingian encampment were excellent hosts,
> save for the small fact that their encampment was in the faaaar northeast
> corner of the camp.  I left about 11:30 and it was still going strong,
> getting started not long after the promised 6:30.

Arrrrgh!

I showed up at 6.30, but had to leave a few minutes later for an Archery
Marshalate meeting.  Yaakov opined that 'twould probably break up before
I returned, as many of the gentles intended to leave to see a play.

Serves me right for not swinging back after dark.  *grumble*

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From: Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Kids, Halflings, Goslings, Smalls...
Date: 11 Aug 92 07:35:00 GMT

In a message to All <08-10-92 14:52> T. Archer wrote:

TA>  From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
TA>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
TA>  Education
TA>  <BsrBxn.ABM@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>

TA>  Most of the time I have no problems,  SCA parents tend to be good ones.
TA>  But there is the occasional Scadian who seems to feel that the Society
TA>  is a commune.  These RARE individuals turn their children loose on-site
TA>  and expect us all to collectively watch out for them.  While I don't
TA>  have any fondness for children in general, I like to think of myself as
TA>  a responsable adult, so I find myself drafted as a sort of involuntary
TA>  baby-sitter.

I hope we never have to resort to the measures that the local SF conventions 
did to handle this exact problem.

They set up an area with a licensed commercial babysitter and notified 
people that they could leave their kids there at (rate schedule). Or they 
could keep their kids with them. Any unattended smalls were sent to the area 
and the parents were charged for the time at the applicable rates.

Draconian, but effective. 
 
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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Basic courtesy
Date: 10 Aug 92 06:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713594709.F00003


 Stephen, Leonard is on the same Fido BBS as I am (although I usually read 
from my unix account, and prefer email there). There have recently been a 
series of hub [etc] breakdowns in this area, and he has not seen all the 
messages, especially as originals, as they never showed up here.

So it's not his memory that's been selective, it's his service.

Moreach
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Rialto Party
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:04:41 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <MeWFeny00WB9M2lEkd@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Mistress Dorothea of Caer Myrdden 
Close.  It's Caer-Myrddin.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Re: kids in SCA
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:40:51 GMT


Hallo!

While the discussion so far has been geared towards the early teenage
set (10-15 or so), a few of us here in Three Rivers have recently kicked
about an idea for handling the younger lot (3-10 years old), which seem
to be more prevalent in our area.

The idea is this:  We are contemplating contacting the Department of
Education at a local university (one of our members is a department head
at same) and asking if one of their senior-level or graduate-level
students specializing in elementary education would like to take on the
challenge of developing and running a one-day program for a number of 3-9
year olds with a medieval ("knights in shining armor"/"Robin Hood"/etc.)
theme.  The Barony members would be available to help with some resource
finding services, and would compensate the student for time and
materials.  This program would then be included in one of our events, to
provide some structured activities for this age group.  NOTE: It would
be made clear to the parents that this is NOT a baby-sitting service;
lunch would not be included, and overly disruptive or unruly children
would be returned to their parents.  We also thought of charging a
nominal fee (say $1 per child), although the bulk of the cost would be
subsidized by the Barony.

The advantage to the Barony is that we have something fun and (dare I
say it) educational for the youngsters, and the student setting up and
running the program would gain some real-world experience, a bit of
money, and perhaps (with a co-operative department chair) some extra
credit points toward their degree.

CAVEATS: Three Rivers is a moderately large Barony, and is (currently)
is a very favorable financial position.  We also have several local
universities and colleges in the St. Louis area to work with.  This idea
may not work with smaller groups, or ones with less friendly relations
with the local academic types.

Any discussion?

Mikjal Annarbjorn
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
Barony of Shattered Crystal, Midrealm
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Subject: Re: Puritans
From: brandon@husc9.harvard.edu (Joshua "mrrrowr?" Brandon)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:34:47 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hossein writes:
>	3.  Since the original thread dealt with the influence of Puritanism
>on fashion, It's worth pointing out that the wearing of drab clothing by
>"Puritans" in North America is a myth.  Diary evidence and tax records for
>textile exports to those colonies in which Congregationalism was dominant
>suggest that these "Puritans" favored bright colors (red and pastels were
>particularly prized); the shunning of ornamentation was largely restricted
>to the sanctuary, not daily life.  It was the Quakers and other, primarily
>German, Pietists (e.g., Mennonites and Amish) who favored dark colors.

Also various groups in Europe, of course.  The Dutch Calvinists (American
Puritans were also generally Calvinists, I believe) tended to favor black
and white clothing as a mark of piety and simplicity, especially in the
17th c. but back into period as well, I suspect.  Mind you, they invented
some particularly sumptuous things that could be done with black and white
clothing....  

I don't really know anything about the Roundheads, but they are commonly
thought of as extremely drab.  Anyone have more evidence, perhaps actually
from period?  :)

Para servir a ustedes,

	Simon Santiago de Cordoba		Joshua Brandon
	Duncharloch, Carolingia, EK		brandon@husc.harvard.edu

(whose Emperor, Carlos Quinto, only gained the Netherlands a few years ago,
and Simon couldn't care less about anything north of Paris....)

YAZ/mycroft
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: nicknames
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:39:08 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <7196@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> bnostran@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand) writes:
>
>And I once belonged to a rather small club with 5 mark's the fifth one
>wound up being called Mark-V he was also sometimes known by his family
>name somewhat modified.

In Wuerm Wald, the second member named Art was called Art Nouveau.

(Art Ancien was Corin du Soleil, who I think is a duke now?  Art Nouveau was
killed riding his bicycle on a dark street in A.S. XIV or so.)

anton@cloondara.mists.west.sca
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
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From: doug@telly.on.ca (Doug Young)
Subject: Pavillion Fabric
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:25:25 GMT

At PENNSIC this year ASGARD (Price.Duke.Sir) Baldor's Household set up
some amazing gates, with all Pavillions within. 

These pavillions were all sewn from tent nylon (a reasonable substitute
for the silk likely used in period) 

Do any of you along this river know of a source for this material at
a reasonable price.  We probaly want 60 in wide, about 100 yards.

Respond E-MAIL and I will post a summary of responses.
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From: bnostran@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Baron Dur's Arms
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:09:58 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Gentles!

Master Laurel King of Arms has in his most recent letter of acceptances 
and returns included the following acceptance:

Dur of Hidden Mountain.  Device. Per chevron throughout sable and
argent, on a chief argent four crosses, each within and conjoined to a
mascle sable.

Baron Dur has endured the College of Arms for about 10 years now but
finally does have registered arms.

Congratulations Baron Dur!  

					Your Humble Servant
					Solveig Throndardottir
					Totally Ignorant

There are inevitable publication delays.  This announcement should
appear in Pikestaff (the East Kingdom newsletter) in a couple of
months.
From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:41:34 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University

Greetings to all, from Vajk!
 
The weather was hot on Monday, 90 F in the shade, or at least felt like it.
Some rather spectacular displays of lightning on that night, but only a
drizzle fell later, most of the nasty stuff passing north (?) of us, but close
enough to see.  Tuesday was relatively pleasant, with a high in the upper 70's
to low 80's.  No rain, much sun.  Tuesday night was quite chilly, perhaps in
the 50's (guess only).  Wednesday morning was dew-y, chilly but not unpleasant,
with a promise of fine weather for the rest of the day.
 
Road conditions remain changeable. Deep ruts left after Saturday's rain remain.
Some roads remain closed to vehicle traffic.  They are dusty again.
 
Count at 7:30 am was just over 6800, and Troll Booth had no one in line.
 
Classes appear to be going well, for the most part, with few cancellations.
However, the Introduction to SCA horsemanship was cancelled.  There seems to be
less music than in past years, but, of course, there is still quite a bit.
 
I did not attend last year, this year seems to be proceeding more smoothly than
in the path.  At 8:00 am Tuesday there was no line on the men's side of the
main bath house, and only a (relatively) short line on the women's side.  Water
was skin temperature.  I have seen only very short lines at any of the bath
houses, but of course that may change as the event gets more people. Many camps
have their own showers.
 
Type at you on Friday.
 
Vajk
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: home again!
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:14:22 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Ilaine de Cameron writes:
 
>.... Ilaine's E-Z pregnancy tests are proceeding 
>apace, Thora (Mistress Thora!!!!!) has the yarn ....
 
For Mistress Thora, Vivat!  
 
I hadn't planned on attending court, but happened to be around the barn
at that time -- for which I am very glad.  Mistress Thora's Laurel 
ceremony was the first peerage ceremony I've seen in quite a few years 
to bring tears to my eyes.  It was one of the high points of the war 
for me.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
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From: garfield@triton.tamu.edu (SUSAN_MAHAN)
Subject: Pennsic XXII
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Dates for Pennsic in 1993; Planning vacation leave
Reply-To: garfield@triton.tamu.edu
Organization: TAMU
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:58:17 GMT

I have a question which I am sure someone out there can answer for me: When
will Pennsic XXII (1993) be?  I have to get my leave request in early
in order to be assured that I can have the time off next year.  This was
my first Pennsic, but it definitely won't be my last! I had a lot of fun,
even though I never saw Cooper's Lake nor the swimming hole. (Crutches are
coming with me next year so I can climb back up the hill.)

I was told that Pennsic is always the 2nd and 3rd weekends of August. However,
the first weekend of August could be interpreted to be July 31/August 1 or
August 7/8. 


Lady Renate Johanna Wilhelmina Warnecke
Shire of the Shadowlands, Ansteorra

Susan Rene' Mahan
Bryan/College Station, Texas
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Camping with friends
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:53:34 GMT
Organization: SCA

Greetings to all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  In discussing a musicians' 
encampment, Robyn Solarius recently said,

>                                                             We have been
>worried about the Enchanted Campground syndrome, though, of people wanting to
>camp with their friends, so the alternative is to have a tent/pavilion

As he is the second to refer to "Enchanted Ground syndrome", I thought 
I'd put in a word here.  Certainly people like to camp with friends, and
certainly some people have obligations that may constrain where they
camp.  But this is only a problem if you want to get _everyone_ who fits 
a given description.  If you are satisfied with a reasonable number, and 
if you start with a core who _are_ friends, the problems are not nearly 
what people seem to think.

I don't know what the Enchanted Ground actually numbered this year -- I 
didn't count -- but it was in the range of 25 to 30.  That's a lot, 
especially considering how much people who have not done it think it will 
cost, both in money and in time.  (It doesn't cost nearly as much as
people think it will.)

An encampment for _all_ musicians at Pennsic, let alone _all_ artisans, has
other problems: I wouldn't want to try to organize an encampment for a
group that size!  But an encampment for some musicians who would like to camp
with other musicians this year, or artisans who would like to camp with 
other artisans, ought to be easily workable, especially with some forethought,
careful publicity, and reasonable expectations.  In this sense, I think
Cariadoc's example is a good one.  If you want to see whether something of
this kind will work, try the experiment.  If it works, you have what you
want, with a minimum of fuss.  If not, how much to you lose? 

In Service to the Society,

-- Angharad/Terry
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