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From: benoit.paquette@synapse.org (Benoit Paquette) 
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.banyan-l
Subject: # of Services
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:41:00 GMT
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Reply-To: benoit.paquette@synapse.org (Benoit Paquette) 

EC>Message-ID: <00961BCB.6DAC0720.32730@umuc.umd.edu>
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EC>Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:18:23 EDT
EC>From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
EC>Subject:      # of Services

EC>What's the max number of file services on a CNS?  What's the max number of
EC>print services?  What's the max number of all services.

   You can run a lot of services on a CNS it depends on at least 2
   things. 1. What CPU/Speed and 2. The amount of memory allocated to
   Vines (total memory minus the first 1 Meg minus the COM BUFFERS minus
   the DISK CACHE. 3. And how much these services are used / user
   activity.  I've seen a CNS running over 30 services including 5
   printers, 10 file services (above Vines Files), STDA, MS, Vanguard,
   ... and so on.   Use MNET to see if you have any swapping to disk.
   Keep that value very low, as close as possible to 0.00.  Keep COMM
   buffers activity below 65% with Vines 4.11 (rev 5) and below 35% with
   previous versions. I dont know the limits of Vines 5.0.

   On our CNS 386/20 MHZ, we had 65 users in 2 groups, 16 Megs total
   memory.  Almost 8 Megs was given to the cache in blocks of 8K.  COMM
   buffers set at the maximum of 400,000 bytes (390K).  We ran at least
   5 printers, 4 on PCPRINT (4 services).

   If you load your server too much the users will complain of slow disk
   access.  For WordPerfect users you can set the working drive to drive
   C:\, this helps the server and speeds up timed backups (2 parameters
   to set in SHIT-F1).

   You do get yourself into problems if many users are running many
   different programs and applications simultaneously.  Most of my users
   run MAIL, WordPerfect and the printers.  Few users are doing
   something else.  Postscript printers are MURDER to a Banyan server.
   High quality graphic printing of any kind can generate HUGE print
   files. etc.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:44:25 WST
From:         Russel=Grocott%ITS=Staff%CURTIN@BA1.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Help New List member

>  I am new in this list. I need info about csus.edu. Is it
>  FTP server? what is the IP number, login name and password?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Coskun Susoy
>
>  Victoria University of Technology
>
>  Faculty of Business

The IP address of CSUS.EDU is 130.86.90.1 and it is an FTP server.  The
username/password is anonymous/guest.  The operator of CSUS.EDU would like
your internet username as the password but this is not a mandatory requirement.

Cheers
	Russel Grocott (email :- grocottr@ba1.curtin.edu.au)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:18:23 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      # of Services

What's the max number of file services on a CNS?  What's the max number of
print services?  What's the max number of all services.

If you know would please let us know.

Elliott
From: GBURGESS@MSU.BITNET (Gregory.Burgess)
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Subject: ENET addr....
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:03:00 GMT
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Thanks Craig....

I plan to try to add the calls to XUSERS to display E-Net address of a remote
user if it is possible.

-Greg B.
From: Karel=Sprenger@DISC.UVA.NL
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Subject: re: V2.11 PC/TCP
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:36:58 GMT
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Doug and others,

You might want to give QEMM386 v6.02 a try: it's OPTIMIZE program will
occasionally use something called squeeze to handle such cases where a TSR
initially needs far more memory than finally. When squeezing is used, QEMM
will temporarily "loan" memory from another area just to satisfy the
initialization needs of a program being loaded high. Although we're still
using PC/TCP v2.04, I have seen this squeezing being done successfully with a
number of TSR's on several machines here at DISC.
Maybe this will be of help to somebody.

Have a nice day!
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From: Ian=Brabham%CC%Monash@BANYAN.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
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Subject: re: 4.0(0) support 486?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:57:23 GMT
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Tanu,

>[8] i486 Option is not enabled
>[8] SS aborting.... Revision option not installed.

This says it all......

Under Rev 4.00 Banyan (in there infinite wisdom) enforced the use of
Vines on 386 and 486 seperatly.   At rev 4.10 they did a back peddle
and provided, what is affectionatly called, the Green Disk.  This
contained a modified version of the SS program that did not make the
distinction between 386 and 486 proceesors.

In the interim you need to either
a) beg, borrow or steal a i486 option key and install it
b) upgrade to rev 4.10 or 4.11 and use the green disk 3 provided
c) wait for your rev 5 diskettes.

Ian Brabham                 email: ian@banyan.cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
Melbourne Australia
From: COATES@UMUC.BITNET (Elliott Coates)
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Subject: Buy Today For Tomorrow?
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:44:31 GMT
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At this time is it wiser to buy a 486-66 or a 486-33 and upgrade it to the
P5/586 early next year?

Bus speed is the same for both the 486-33 and the 486-66, which is 33Mhz.
Ergo, cpu to memory speed is the same for a 486-33, 486-66.  It would also be
33Mhz for a P5 planted in the same machine.

The price difference between buying a 486-33 and a 486-66 is roughly $600.00.
If the P5 cost less than or equal $600.00, it would seem that it's clearly
better to buy the 486-33 now and upgrade later to a P5.

Any speculation on what the P5 will cost?

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:30:25 -0400
From:         "(Carl Langford s)" <clangfor@MACH1.WLU.CA>

We are having a problem with PCPRINT.

One of our departments has two laserjets connected to a single micro running
PCPRINT. This micro is not used for any other purpose. One of the laserjets
is for the use of the departmental secretaries, while the other is for faculty.
The appropriate setprint commands are embedded in the autoexec.bat files
on each machine.

Once in a while, one of the client machine starts sending output to the
wrong printer. setprint shows that it is indeed connected to this printer.
If the secretary reboots, she will again be connected to the correct
printer. However, at some later time (maybe several minutes, maybe several
hours or maybe the next day) her output will suddenly appear on the wrong
printer again. We had one occurence this morning when a document was sent to
the printer (WordPerfect 5.1), then a new document read in and sent to the
printer. The first document came out on the correct printer, the second one
came out on the other printer. This problem appears on only one client --
another machine in the same room, with essentially the same configuration,
works fine. Any suggestions on what may be causing this, or what should be
looked at will be appreciated.
====
Carl Langford                          email: carl@mach1.wlu.ca
Wilfrid Laurier University             phone: 519-884-1973 ext 2270
75 University Ave W                    fax  : 519-886-9351
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
N2L 3C5
From: MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
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Subject: re: Abandon Banyan?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:47:33 GMT
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Randy,

Why not just use packet drivers?  They should be available for your cards.  I
envy your institution's budget if you could REALLY afford to swap out your
network for a more expensive one.

Mike Crist
TRW
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:48:13 +0100
From:         Hendrik.Klompmaker@BEHEER.ZOD.WAU.NL
Subject:      Xusers.

To Gregory Burgess.

Sorry to bother the list with this but I allready disposed your mail and lost
your e-mail address.
Great utility that xusers. Even more complements that you've included the
source. To quote Brian Sullivan 'Wished more people did this'.
As I don't have access to the toolkit I'm unable to modify it myself (Yes,
I've found something I missed :-)). What I would like is the ability to
specify more then one 'wildcard' (ST address). For example
xusers *@*@aa *@*@bb *@*@cc ....
would be exactly what I need to see who's logged in whithout the need to issue
the command multiple times or to build a batch file.

Don't get me wrong. This is no criticism but just a whish list.

Greetings Hendrik.

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System Manager                  Bitnet   : KLOMPMAKER@HWALHW50.BITNET
Phone : +31 (0)8370-83934       Fax      : +31 (0)8370-83962
Snail : Marijkeweg 40, 6709 PG  WAGENINGEN, The Netherlands
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:49:31 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      PC Print Delayer

At one point Banyan had a file which put a delay in the initialization of pc
print.  Do they still have it and if so what's its name?

Are there any other delay programs available?

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:20:03 EST
From:         Shawn Farrell <INSF@MCGILLB.BITNET>
Subject:      VINES for OS/2 2.0--IBMCOM diskette needed?

The Vines OS/2 2.0 product that I have came with an IBMCOM diskette.
Basically what it is is a portion of the Extended Services that IBM
offers for OS/2 in order to have communications or database products
working under OS/2.  I assume that these are just the files that are
required to get a connection to VINES.


Shawn Farrell
Merck Frosst

insf@musicb.mcgill.ca
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:04:54 EDT
From:         Shirley Rodgers <D1SLR@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ABUi

I was waiting for comments from other readers before I made my
comments on the Boston ABUi conference since my view may be biased
as I'm on the ABUi Board of Directors.

I felt the conference was a success. Banyan was there in force.
They had 262 employees there sometime during the conference with a
large portion of them there for the entire conference. I know that
many attendees enjoyed meeting some of the engineers that they
never get to see at other conferences.

There were 6 Vines Internal sessions. I attended the Windows
session and was pleased to hear that I will be able to Login and
Logout of Vines when in a Window. There will also be some new
custom dialog boxes for status, options, drive and printer
connections.

Dean Polnerow did a good session on Vines Interoperatibility. It
covered the new ENS product for Netware. He clarified what services
would be available for the Netware client and what the Vines client
could get from Netware.

In the StreetTalk session, it was stated that the next release
should increase StreetTalk performance. Nicenames, lookups, and
list operations will be faster. StreetTalk will also handle larger
groups with no degradation in performance. StreetTalk attributes
have been expanded and client programs will be available to create
and scan attributes. We will be able to move a group across the
network without going to tape. Vines will also allow you to rename
users and lists, leaving the old name as a nickname for list
references and previous users.

I didn't get to attend alot of other sessions since the board
activities keep me busy throughout the conference. The Marines did
a great General Assembly Session on the Vines Role in the Middle
East. It was very interesting and informative.

The ABUiNet was born. With the help of the Asset Group, ABUi had a
network running with applications for attendees to uses. Everyone
was assigned a StreetTalk id and could use one of the public
workstations provided around the exhibition area to contact other
attendees or demo some of the software that was on the network. The
feedback from the attendees was good. We are working on expanding
the network applications for the next conference.

As a final comment to all ABUi Network News readers, get your Deep
Root tips in before the next conference. The Deep Root party in
Boston was a wet and wild time and you don't want to miss the next
one! For those who weren't there, the gifts were squirt guns!
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:29:23 CET
From:         Frank=Koperdraat%it%ic.uva.nl@UVACOM01.UVA.NL
Subject:      re: Banyan Mkt. Notice 259

Hi Laura,

Does this marketing notice imply that that version of Oracle won't give
problems if you didn't upgrade your file system from S5 to S10, during the
process of going to Vines 5.0? By the way, this is just curiosity because we
don't use Oracle.

Greetings
Frank Koperdraat
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From: CFISAD=CLBGRP17%MQG1@MQG1.USMC.MIL
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Subject: NO SUBJECT
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:02:47 GMT
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To:            sswgate@clbrasc1@servers[s00305:ddn]
Cc:
Bcc:
From:          INTERNET@ISMO@2d FSSG
Subject:       patches
Date:          Tuesday, October 13, 1992 at 4:44:06 pm EDT
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---------------------------- [Message Follows] ---------------------------------


Is there anyway to find out what patches have been applied on a server using
the 4.10 Toolkit? Any Takers? Thanks...

Cpl Ralph Krausse
Data Communication Sections
Camp Lejeune,NC 28542

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:49:47 +0100
From:         Hendrik.Klompmaker@BEHEER.ZOD.WAU.NL
Subject:      re: Xusers.

From:           Bent=Tranberg%Data%AID%BAN.AID.NO@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject:        re: Xusers.
Date:           Tuesday, October 13, 1992 at 9:05:29 am CET
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Bent Tranberg says:
>I like XUSERS too, and guess what?! It works with *@*@* !!!
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeh, that would give me a list of 122 organisations with more then 2000
usernames!! That's not what I want. I would like to pick a few org's out of
the whole lot eg. those users on a specific server.

Bye.

Hendrik.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 10:19:55 -0400
From:         "Gary D. Duzan" <duzan@CIS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      IBanyan Problems

   I've recently started poking around with IBanyan (PC/TCP 2.1) and
run into some problems. Under a normal setup, the Windows-based
programs all work fine, but TN does nasty things to the Banyan software
like disrupting Banyan network drives. Other programs like PING and FTP
seem to work fine.  With the kernel loaded into expanded memory with
the -m option the system locks up after a random period of time. This
is a problem because most of our users can't afford to give up 70K of
conventional memory.
   Also, I'm trying to use the PC/TCP wrapper for Trumpet. It seems to
work fine in DOS, but it doesn't seem to want to work under Windows.
Has anyone gotten it to work? Thanks.

                                   Gary D. Duzan
                                   Network Administrator
                                   Delaware State Hospital
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:15:10 PDT
From:         HLP1%ItsLsc%CTS@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      re: LPD service

I have the PG&E UPrint service running under a VINES 5.0 server and have not
experieneced any problems.  The UPrint service can be found on compuserv in
the Banyan forums.

I would be curious to know if other people have it up and running on a 5.0
server.

Herb Patten
PG&E
hlp1@cs.pge.com
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:39:55 CET
From:         Karel=Sprenger@DISC.UVA.NL
Subject:      re:Windows 3.1 and VINES.DRV

Elizabeth,

We're running 4.11(5) here without printer difficulties in Windows 3.1 at the
moment. When first installing Windows 3.1 however, I also had trouble printing
anything at all. The solution turned out to be unselecting both Network Options
("Update Network Display" and "Print Net Jobs Direct") in Print Manager's
Options pull-down menu.
Maybe this will help you as well. Let me know if you had any luck.

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|  Karel Sprenger                     |  Email: ks@disc.uva.nl             |
|  DISC                               |         a701233k@hasara11 (BITNET) |
|  University of Amsterdam            |  phone: +31-20-525 2302            |
|  Turfdraagsterpad 9                 |  fax  : +31-20-525 2084            |
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:02:17 EDT
From:         mgreen@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL
Subject:      WHAT IS A NONCE??

Does anyone out there really know what a NONCE is?  I have done some
research on the subject but have yet to come up
with a clear definition of what it is, what it impacts, and how to cure
Vines Error 1804.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Captain  USMC                           Okinawa, Japan
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:47:05 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      New Svcs Won't Start!

Suddenly, any kind of service created on any of our 20 servers won't start
after being created.

Anybody got a clue?

Elliott
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:02:46 -0700
From:         "(Alan Smith)" <alans@CORAL.USACE.MIL>
Subject:      Re: PCPRINT Timeslice Adjustment
              "PCPRINT Timeslice Adjustment" (Oct 12, 17:48)

Jeffery;
        Yep, there is such a PCPRINT parameter. It's the r: parameter. Set it
to r:50 and cpu usage is low. set it to r:100 and it's in the medium range.
set it to r:200 and it'll use all cpu for PCPRINT. It's in the manuals, but I
don't think PCPRINT tells you about it if you just execute z:pcprint without
any parameters.


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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:49:43 CDT
From:         GARY=SINTON%TTI=BUSINESS%TTI@TTIADMIN.TAMU.EDU
Subject:      re: Kermit & Asynch Term. Emu.

Yup, stuff's called option HA102.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:18:30 -0600
From:         Randy Storm - MSCD <STORMR@MSCD.BITNET>
Subject:      Ethernet Bridging

  Is there an option for ethernet bridging? I notice an option for
  Token-ring....  In this application am wanting to pass LAT through
  a Banyan server at a remote site which is connected to a Banyan server
  at the main campus via ICAPlus. The Banyan server at the main campus
  is connected to the backbone.

  Sorry to put such a simple question to the 'net' but my resellers
  one and only guru is out of town.

                                                Thanks
                                                Randy
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:52:39 -0400
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From:         "(Rob Clark)" <ag653@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Please add me to your distribution

>
>Please add me to the list as: clement@mvax.dcem.dnd.ca
>
>Thank you
>
>
Hi Luc:

You sent this request to the list ... but to set-up a subscription
you need to e-mail the  the listserver that the list resides on.

The automatic subscription request is in the format:
	To: LISTSERV@sitename
and then in the body of the message:
	SUBSCRIBE listname your name

OK, so to subscribe to the Banyan-L list, send the following...

	To: LISTSERV@akronvm.bitnet
	SUBSCRIBE BANYAN-L Luc Clement

You'll get a confirmation back from the listserver. I just figured
this out a couple of days ago, with help from Shirley Rodgers (a
member of ABUi BOD and "keeper" of the Banyan-L list) and several
other helpful souls on the list.

See you on the list, and at next month's ABUND.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:59:36 EDT
From:         John=Valenti%cs%SSC@BANYAN.CL.MSU.EDU
Subject:      re: Sockets for Vines 5.x

Daniel,
  You might check into patch 5.00(5)-BX-1. As I understand, it fixes a bug
where PC print machines don't release SPP connections. Eventually, all the
sockets are used up and the server crashes.

-jav     John Valenti    valenti@msu.edu    Michigan State University
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