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From: cannabis@west.darkside.com (Cannabis Kid)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:06:46 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

> In article <1992Oct12.183256.28218@adobe.com> mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
> >
> >Bush said that cocaine use was dropping
> >among teenagers, which is true
> 
> Bollocks it is.  _Self-reported_ cocaine use is way down.  But this
> is hardly surprising in an atmosphere of hysteria and hatred.
> 
> c

 
Or there is more crack then powder form around to do
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Summary: what a crosspost
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:18:09 GMT


aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

> Regarding Braun and gun control:
>trade-off worthwhile? The whole idea that "liberals" or "lefties" or
>Democrats would drasticly reduce the freedom to bear arms is a myth that
>the conservatives are pawning off to those who are not biased politically
>to make sure that they get those crucial votes. It's pure ruse and I'm not
>buying it.

	On this one you are mistaken.  While there are legislators in the 
Republican party who are against the RKBA, they are in the minority.
Among lefties, particularly among the Democratic legislators, anti-RKBA
is the rule.  Self defense, the RKBA etc, are not compatable with the 
lefty philosophy of reliance on government.  Votes on anti-gun-owner 
legislation tend to be divided along party lines.

>St. Anthony

		Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:15:28 GMT
Keywords: New-Speak

jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:

> Ignoring for the moment that many of the activities of the KKK (lynchings,
> etc.) were illegal even without civil rights laws, I believe you would
> find that interest in hate groups has increased in recent years and
> can reasonably be attributed to the growth in government mandated
> favoritism toward various groups.

The growth in equal-opportunity and civil rights legislation (which you
inaccurately call "government mandated favoritism") ocurred during the
Kennedy and Johnson administrations.  Hate-crimes _decreased_ during that
period.  Hate crimes have been increasing during the last 10 years, as the
Kennedy/Johnson legislation has been crippled by later legislation, ignored
by police and justice departments and "reinterpreted" into uselessness by
the Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't think there's any cause-and-effect relationship between
hate crimes and civil-rights legislation.  Crimes decreased and equal-
rights legislation appeared as the country as a whole began to feel that
the treatment of its least-privileged members was actually worth caring
about.  As the country has shifted to a me-first, take-the-money-and-run
attitude, crimes are back up and civil rights are no longer an issue
because the people with the ability to change the laws no longer care about
the well being of anyone else.

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: WARNING ON NITROUS OXIDE
From: 9106027l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:47:58 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Well, after takin many a  nitrous trip, I warn all of you to

stop, as it is making me go brain dead!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: MJ in bloodstream
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <ringo.718560043@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:19:22 GMT

In article <ringo.718560043@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>spmorgan@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Stephen Morgan) writes:
>
>>Roughly how long does marijuana stay in the bloodstream?
>>ie How long is it traceable for after the last use?
>
>Considering the fat-soluble THC molecule is tracable in urine for 
>approximately 30 days after use, it is arguable it is in the bloodstream
>for that long. It is stored in fat cells otherwise. 

No, THC is metabolized in a matter of hours.  It's the metabolite that stays
in urine for a while (30 days for really heavy use).

>Now I'm curious about something. Since THC will have to travel via the
>bloodstream to be excreted in the uring, what molecule does it bind 
>with to make the transport? I mean, being as it's hydrophobic, it wouldn't
>exactly just 'float around.' Does it bind with albumin or something generic
>like that?

A flyer distributed by NORML claims that it will bind to Zinc Sulfate,
which is excreted in solid waste.  It suggests taking 1000% or so of Zinc
supplements (in the Zinc Sulfate form) if you're being piss tested.  

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:09:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
:   A friend of mine this past summer was interested in doing heroin.. Seeing 
: how half the sources out there are cencored or propaganda by the 
: government, what is the real story?
: 
:   Basically, what does it do and what are the dangers?
: 
:   From what I understand, it's an 8 hour orgasm or such..

Heh, heh!  If that was what occurred - you would have the who US congress
addicted to the drug.

Maybe someone who has used the drug will relate their personal experience.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Re: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:34:56 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <2AD9C2E1.2265@ics.uci.edu> honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
>
>Your friend can write off his SO now... since your friend will be painted
>as part of your SO's former evil life... and the SO will be encouraged to
>get your friend into the program too.
>
>Letter will be read by several people before the SO.
>
>If the SO is over 18, they may still have rights; but usually the
>program people will give an either or choice: do our plan full-out,
>no visitors, etc, or get out, and go to hell.
>
>Have a nice day.

	Luckily, she's not doing "inpatient." She's doing "outpatient."
Prob'ly be encouraged to get all her friends into the program too though,
but there's stll SOME privacy. (I don't know if the SO's legal guardians
[aunt + uncle] are allowing her to be my friends SO..)

-- 
Sameer_Parekh zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM zane@infopls.chi.il.us
PFA related mail to pfa@ddsw1.MCS.COM   | Specialization is for insects
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Fri Oct 16 17:14:58 1992 US Debt: $4,097,874,047,300 Per capita: $16,033
From: barbaras@meltdown.chi.il.us (Barbara Simonsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.health.alternative
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:31:52 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Where do I register to vote? Really, it sounds like a great idea. I've been
using bio feedback for more years than seems possible now, and have just become
interested in mega-viatmin therapy and "smart drugs". I would very much like to
share the info and experience I have and to learn more, and I think that misc.
health alternative would present and excellent forum.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:03:15 EDT

In article <Bw315D.HEI@scd.hp.com> dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:

>|> >	Given that such practices would be publically known, do you think
>|> >	such an employer would be sucessful in attracting purchasers of
>|> >	his goods and/or services to the extent that his business would thrive
>|> >	and grow?
>|> 
>|> I haven't heard of any Chinese prisons going out of business lately. 
>
>Do you have anything meaningful to add, or is your cheif interest in this
>discussion to inflame in an attempt to obfuscate?

Methinks that perhaps you do not care to hear what he has said.

You do not think that the example of the US market's continued toleration of
the import of goods produced by chinese prison labor (even despite laws
prohibiting this!) says anything to contradict your claim that the marketplace
will pressure businesses with "bad" policies to change their ways or go by
the wayside?


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: fineman@milton.u.washington.edu (Cheesy Hatin' it)
Subject: Re: Suggestions on how to entertain yourself when on a binge
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:22:18 GMT

In article <61054@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

>)Me and 4 other guys plan to smoke the ENTIRE time...
>)I'm thinking, during 5 days of smoking, ther will be time when we
>)will just get plain bored!

	I tend to think that people treat pot inadequately.  If you enjoy
	falling into the "constant use" category  (hey, who doesnt?), then
	it's like food!   You'd never say 

		"Me and 4 other guys plan to eat the ENTIRE time...
		[at roughly 4 hour intervals].  I'm thinking, durng 5
		days of eating, there will be time when we will just get
		plain bored!"

	My advice would be to do just what you normally would do.  I feel that
	pot just enhances the experience!  Take hikes, listen to music,
	tell jokes, do some good foolin' around...  Making a big deal outta
	smokin'  just detracts from what you are _actually_ doing, which
	is *having a helluva time!*

				happy trails!

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Dan "the cheesy hatin' it" Fineman                    fineman@u.washington.edu
 	"aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh"
					-- skinny puppy, _stairs_&_flowers_
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: BUTANE - WHAT THE HECK?
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.195616.27667@nmsu.edu> dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky) writes:

  >A friend of mine who does a lot of over the counter drugs, ie. Robitussin,  
  >Merzzine, etc....Is now doing butane...

  [stuff deleted]

  >My question is should i advice him to stop?

  >Thanks in advance.

I believe that I remeber reading that a teenage boy died doing butane.
Besides, it gives you Bic-breath.

-Alan
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: SEX AND DRUGS
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:27:04 GMT

     Recently, in pursuit of the ultimate high, I combined DMT, Freebase 
cocaine, and THAI stick (for flavor) in my bong, and I took massive hits, 
followed on exhalation by hits of nitrous. After about half an hour of 
this, I passed out. When I woke up, I was REALLY tripping, and these two 
girls that I know (one is asian with HUGE HOOTERS, the other was a beautiful 
black girl) came into my apartment to see what I was up to. They were very 
high on hash and LSD and they were both very horny. I was in no shape to 
stop them, so they took advantage of my condition SEVERAL times, and after 
about three hours of this, I passed out again. When I woke up, an entire day 
had passed, and there must have been a party while I was sleeping, because I 
was totally nude and the apartment was trashed. The problem is that I went 
to pee I almost passed out again from the pain. I havn't been able to go to 
the bathroom for three weeks now without this pain, and I havn't felt sexual 
desires for anyone for this time either. Could the drug and sex combination 
have burned out my sexual drive? I seem to remember coming at least six or 
seven times during our little sex session.

                                    Gumby
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:01:43 -0500

In article <cenuay600awPA_kExb@andrew.cmu.edu> "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Five of our eight distinguished scholars (4.0+) in highschool used LSD
>as well as marijuana on a semi-regular basis. Who says druggies are stupid?


I about died when little ol' protected me went to my first upscale
college party and saw a professor of mine in the corner sharing a
joint with a friend.  

As a general rule, intelligent people who have self control can have a
very positive experience with drugs.  Regardless of what drug.  I have
friends who have tried coke and went, "eeeh, it didn't do anything for
me except make me nervous.  Why bother, drink a few Cokes..."  I have
friends who tried crack and said the same thing, or that it was
totally unpleasant, and never did it again.  

That's because these people are doing the drugs as a personal
exploration, not because it's a cool thing, or they are trying to show
someone something, or because there's nothing else to do, or because
they are deeply depressed and hoping, just hoping, that the next batch
will be bad and take them out.

I don't know of many inner city kids who have taken the time to read
up and research ANYTHING they put into their bodies.  Most of them
probably wouldn't even know where to LOOK.  It's a problem with
EDUCATION, not drugs. 

I had a friend of mine in high school (he happened to be a professor
at the local college) look at me one night and go, "Ever done drugs?"
I gasped and said, "NO!!!"  He said, "You will.  But don't worry, you
can handle it.  They're lying to you."  

*That* was the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak.  If this
person, who I at the time held in a very high opinion, felt this way,
then *something* was up.  And why were all the "cool" older people I
knew (teachers, parent's friends, etc) always making jokes and seeming
serious, and then going, "No, no, I don't mean that, really...." 

Drugs do not lead to a good personality or an intelligent person as a
whole.  However, any person who users their head before they use ANY
substance has a major chance at having a positive experience.  And
drug use can be a benefit to those who do it (otherwise many wouldn't
do it) if it's done with knowledge and respect for both your body and
the chemical kept in mind.  


amy
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] replacements for 'e'
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.003839.3222@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.013218.13864@u.washington.edu>, ap.5113@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>> As one final question, has the neurotoxicity of plain old amphetamine and 
>> N-methylamphetamine been tested, and if so how do they compare with MDA and
>> MDMA?

>Yep - some research, neurotoxic I recall,  - different mechanism,
>different type of toxicity. dopamine system? someone else fill in 
>the details of this one.

Unlike MDMA and MDA, Amphetamine and methamphetamine 
don't seem to cause damage to neural axons until
you reach doses which are much higher than behavioral ones.  They
damage both dopamine and serotonin axons.  We don't know enough
about the mechanisms of toxicity to really say how similar they are.  With
respect to their psychoactivity the mechanisms are distinct.

With respect to non-neurotoxic entactogens, It's my informed belief
that, despite great work from Nichols' lab, MDMA remains uniquely
friendly and therapeutic.  The non-neurotoxic drugs don't seem to
have the qualities which make MDMA preferable for therapeutic uses.
Those drugs which closely mimic these qualities all seem to be
neurotoxic.


>Jeremy
>jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au

   --Matt

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:26:34 GMT

In article <1688113D0C.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:

>     The organization running the debates is a private corporation.  As such
>they can invite who they want, when they want, period.  The debates are *not*
>a government function.  Much as I'd like to see Mr. Marrou up there with
>the other candidates, they have every *legal* right to exclude and ignore
>him.

Uh excuse me, but I was under the impression that the Commission on
Presidential Debates was funded by taxpayer dollars or at the very least a
non-profit organization (which makes it subsidized by taxpayer dollars by
being exempt).  I would say that this makes it responsible to the public and
therefore must provide an unbiased forum.  What legal basis is Lenora Fulani
and her party using in their lawsuit against the commission?
-- 

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111 Westminister Way  INTERNET: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com    mine and not those
Madison, AL 35758     MA BELL:  (205) 730-7842               of my employer."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: mea@cbnewse.cb.att.com (mark.e.anderson)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:31:54 GMT

In article  n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>	If she is the same Carol Mosely Braun of IL that I am thinking of, 
>she is a fascist who wants a day-care world where only civil servants and 
>criminals have the means to defend themselves, with cake and 911 for the 
>rest of us.
 
>Truly a wonderful fascist though, if she would let us smoke marijuna.  %^)

From this statement you are probably referring to her stand on gun control
and I am not that interested in that issue.  I live in Chicago which has
alot of gun regulations and this year we are going to break another
murder record.  It is pretty obvious that gun control doesn't work here.

If Carol supports that type of gun control then maybe she's a bit
misguided.  After hearing her talk, she seems intelligent and willing
to adapt to changing issues.

If we keep electing people, like Carol's opponent Rich Williamson, who
want to keep ratcheting up the drug war, you will lose the right
to own guns period.  This war on drugs is a shooting war that is killing
innocent people every day.  The tougher the laws, the more vicious the
major dealers get.  And this translates into more gunfire which translates
into more people supporting gun legislation.

This is not an issue of being able to freely smoke marijuana.  There
was a drive by shooting in front of my building last month.  If this
war gets any more vicious, I may not be around to write these posts
much longer.  
 
>But maybe we are thinking of different people.   I don't follow the corrupt
>politics of IL anymore since I escaped that most hideous of all states*.

Then you probably haven't heard of Rich Williamson.  You have to be
careful who you call a fascist because it cheapens its meaning and
protects those who really are.

Mark Anderson
From: barbaras@meltdown.chi.il.us (Barbara Simonsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DMSO
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:03:04 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

DMSO seems to function as an anti-inflammant. I do not recommend it, because it
is not my place to offer medical advice, that said (in case the lawyers are
listening) I can comment on what it did for and to me.
It reduces swelling pain and discoloration from bruises.
It seems to decrease inflammation and alleviate arthritis pain...I have
moderate to sever DJD in more places than I care to mention, and I use it as a
last resort, if I can't literally C AN"T get moving.
I have used it in lieu of muscles relaxants when I have overstresses a muscle
(which is why it would be sold in a gym)
It has, historically, been used in cases of athletic injury, to enable a player
to continue. This can be a boon to a rugby team, but it can exacerabate the
injury.
It stings like hell, especially if you have tender skin (I do) and you know its
there, because no sooner have you applied it that you get a garlic aste in your
mouth. It can really give you "Death Breath"
I have heard that it can also be ingested, but have never tried this. (Show me
someone who's had DJD for more than 10 years, and I'll show you someone with GI
problems caused by anti-inflammatory drugs.
I was informed by a "usually reliable (and intelligent) medical source, that
DMSO is hell on the liver and kidneys. That's why a don't use it unless I
gotta.
Also, it's a really good idea to make sure that the area to which DMSO is to be
applied in free of ANYTHING else...I once applied it on the same day, but many
hour later than a "Sports Spray" and whew! was I sick!
It is an effective "carrier" but you must remember than substances take effect
faster, in most cases.  A "dose" of something ingested takes effec t as
disgested. DMSO gets it into the bloodstream faster.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: More Safrole
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:22:53 -0400 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hiya folks...

In response to a few questions that have
wound their way into my mailbox...

Types of places to check for sasafrass oil:
Look in the yellow pages (no, not under sasafrass oil :) ) for
things like"essential oils", "fragrances", "perfumeries"(hmmm dunno about
that last one)  Basically anything in that general area.  (safrass is
used both as a flavoring, and as a scent...)
I happened to find the natural oil at a co-op kinda health food
store.  I found the artificial oil at a pharmacy that had
a sideline of essential oils...


As for my saying that you would have to steam distill it... That
was a mistake... I meant to point out that you would save the
step of steam distilling it, but you would have to purify the
oil through distillation (fractional) or run it down
a column, or something along those lines (prep   tlc, anyone? :) )

Thanks to the aussie for pointing out my error w/the steam
distillation...


(oh, yeah, rumor has it that the artificial oil is pure safrole...)

I dunno if this is true... never verified it.

--Seth
(that's "Mr. Fount of mis-information" to you!)