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From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Two Days of Rosh Hashonah
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:38:17 GMT

In article <1acj3eINNrm5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
>
>One of the Major Mitzvot concerning Rosh Hashana is to Hear the
>sound of the Shofar.  In order to assure that the Shofar can be
>sounded each year, even when the First day of Tishri falls on Shabbat,
>It was ordained that Rosh Hashana be celebrated for TWO days.
>
>What do Reform Jews do when 1 Tishri is on Shabbat, and the sounding
>of the Shofar is not permitted?

Reform congregations blow the shofar on shabbat.


-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Subject: Ezekiel
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com

There is in the Old Testament, I beleive in the Ezekiel Prophecy, an
amazing description. The witness describes the arriving on earth of an
illuminated object, surrounded by fire, from which several sort of
human beings get out. They fly and wear a kind of helmet. To me, it
sounds like the arriving of a space ship carrying extraterrestrial
creatures.

Does anybody know an interpretation ?

J.Cherbonnier
jec@zurich.ibm.com
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From: jec@zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Subject: Ezekiel
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:35:11 GMT
Reply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

There is in the Old Testament, in the Ezekiel prophecy I beleive, a fantastic
description, and I would like to know about an interpretation. Ezekiel describes
the arrival of something very bright and illuminated. From this object, several
creatures get on the ground. They look like human beings, but they fly, and
they were a sort of helmet.
It amazes me because the description is extremely detailed and sounds like the
arriving of a space ship carrying extraterrestrial creatures...
If someone has an explanation, I would be very happy to read it.

Thanks.

J.Cherbonnier
jec@zurich.ibm.com
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:31:41 GMT

In article <9210012034.AA14344@po.CWRU.Edu> <<ejd3@po.cwru.edu>> writes:
> 
>Dave, There is no viable solution to this dillema accept for 
>breaking up.  You cant convert to Judaism just for the sake
>of marrying somebody Jewish.  I dont think you want to destroy


If that's  not the only reason, if  in studying about Judaism Mr.
Webb decides Judaism really is a very fine way of life and decides
to convert not merely because he wants to have a Jewish marriage but
also because he truly accepts Judaism, the my advice to him is to go
study, learn about Judaism, and decide if that's really how you wish
to live your life -- and if so, I would surely argue conversion is
an option.


>her family by pressuring her to marry you.  I dont think you
>want to agonize your girlfriend either.  Set her free, there
>are other (non-Jewish) fish in the sea.  Sincerely, Eliot.    
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: The two days of R'H and the shofar on Shabbos.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:56:53 GMT

In article <91066@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>Since the new month, in Sanhedrin days, was determined by observation
>regarding the new crescent moon, 30 Elul was of uncertain status from
>nightfall onwards.  The observant would have to observe Yom Tov re-
>strictions before any confirmation came in.  And if 30 Elul came and
>went without two eyewitnesses, the next day was automatically 1 Tishrei.
   There's an aspect of this with respect to our present calendar that I
   don't understand. Our RH is always the 1st and 2nd of Tishrei, the
   first two days of the ten days repentance, and Yom kippur is the
   tenth of Tishrei.

   Now, what would happen in the time of the Sanhedrin was that the two
   days following Elul 29 would be RH. If after the fact Elul had only
   29 days, these two days would be Tishrei 1 and 2. If after the fact
   Elul had 30 days, these two days would be Elul 30 and Tishrei 1.
   Why does our calendar always make RH Tishrei 1 and 2?
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalia
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:45:06 GMT

In <1992Oct1.134855.20535@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:

    If you look in most siddurim, under the Avinu Malkainu prayer, there
    are two versions of some of the verses.  One set is under the heading
    "On Fast Days" and the other is under the heading "Between Rosh
    Hashanah and Yom Kippur".  This proves conclusively that there ARE NO
    FAST DAYS between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.  Hence, Tzom Gedaliah
    must not be a fast day.

But this excellent logic only applies to some readings - my siddur
says "aseret y'mai teshuvah".  This must include Yom Kippur.  I leave
it to greater minds to decide which is the correct girsa.
-- 
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: HaYom -- Hebrew Calendar for the Mac/Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 06:34:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I've used HaYom on the Macintosh for a few years, and can give it
the highest recommendation. It is very thorough; among the options
are Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform, and Israel, Diaspora, each
from a menu selection. It plays short traditional tunes for each
holiday, if desired. It takes one's latitude and longitude, and
provides accurate candle lighting times. It works flawlessly,
and has never given the slightest trouble.

One cute feature is that if you launch it on Shabbat, it brings up
a window that says, "It's Shabbat! Do you want to continue?"

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From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:13:01 GMT
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel


In article <1992Oct5.065738.603@vms.huji.ac.il>, backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

Some of your suggestions I would suspect, but how about these:
1. mysterious/mystery - from l'hastir
2. copesthestic - from kol beseder
3. regular - from ragil

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From: exposim@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Simposium de Sistemas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Solution to Israel problems....
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:27:07 GMT



    Hi ! 

    A few days ago, i post a mail askinf for the principal problems for 
    Israel in the next 20 years. The answer, who was posted to my account,
    was that the principal problem could be the exclusivist and anti-democratic
    politics of the israelis, and the racism against the non-jews. 


     I want to know your opinion about this, and too the solution to the 
    problems you consider as the basic for Israel in the next years.

     You can answer me directly to:  exposim@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx

                                                           Luis Gutierrez
    
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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:00:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.181050.23987@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber) writes:
>I have a question that I'd really appreciate as many comments on and answers
>to as you folks can offer.  A friend just actually asked me this, and I wasn't
>sure what to tell him, and it got me thinking, too.
>
>How do people in the Jewish community feel about taking vacation days from
>work (assuming you work) for the Holidays?  (I presume this applies more
>to people living outside Israel, but since many scj readers live in Israel,
>and, I believe, used to live somewhere else, I'd appreciate their comments,
>too.)
>
>After all, in a Christian country, Christians don't need to use up their
>vacation days for Easter or Christmas.  And when I was growing up, my school
>district gave us the days off, presumably because enough of the students or
>teachers were Jewish.
>
>Rightly or wrongly, I always just took it as a given that some of my
>alloted vacation days were going to have to be used for Rosh Hashanah or
>Pesach or whatever, and didn't give it a second thought.  What's the
>consensus out there?  (Or is there one?)
>

I grit my teeth and use vacation days to the extent necessary.  I also
make a point of working on Christmas every year in exchange for not
working on a chag, and of using any "floating" personal holidays for
chagim.  My unit of NCR allows full flexibility in trading days off
like this, but of course no "extra" holidays are provided for observant
Jews (or other religionists).
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From: uril@yang.earlham.edu (Uri J. Lessing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: here we go again....
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:14:15 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct6.160318.18621@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.134149.26842@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct05.135516.4687@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>
>>>You had a monopoly on the media for the past 40 years. Is it too much
>>>if the Arabs side presented their case now?
>>
>>Don't forget the banks.  Jews controlled all those, too.  We also
>>controlled all the bakeries, and swimming pool cleaning franchises.
> 
> And when we get to dominate women's professional wrestling, our
> goals will be complete! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And then are true world domination will almost be complete when we 
monopolize all the 7-11s in the world!!! HAHHAAHHHAHAAHHHHA!

(hey gang, don't just read this stuff add your own and create the first 
cascade on this newsgroup!)
-- 

Uri J. Lessing |  Earlham College |  Richmond, Indiana
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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:38:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.092457.16485@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>
>
>   By analogy, if there is one important feature of a successful
>   (that is, surviving) religion (or any other social movement),
>   it is its ability to ensure its own reproduction.

This implies that there is a reason why Religion has to survive. And, so
far, there is no proof of that. If, at some point, God decides to end it
there will not be any more religion. And, as far as I know, we have no way
to know what God wants right now.
Also, here, there is a confusion between religion, that might be lost due to
intermarriage, and traditions and culture.
I might agree that intermarriage might have result in the loss of the 
traditions before 1948. Up to then, religion tradition was passed through the
religious practice from generation to generation.
However, since 1948 there is Israel. And, because of that, religion and 
traditions have become two different things, even if correlated. 
I am Argentinian. Even if I try to keep my culture, the "current" Argentinian
culture is that of the people living in Argentina. The same
with the Jewish culture: The culture of the Jewish people will be that of 
people living in Isreal, and not of those Jews living anywhere else, anymore.
In the last election in Israel, we saw how non-religious Jews voted. 
I saw a documentary in PBS where some member of the Labor Party explained 
who secular Judaism was gaining more and more space (until they finaly won).
There is Israel, and there is where the Jewish culture will evolve and will
take new forms. 
Jewish culture does not need the Jewish religion anymore to stay alive.



>
>There is no claim for morality, either explicit or implicit.  But it
>does answer the  question of why Judaism opposes intermarriage; if
>Judaism didn't, there would be no Judaism.


Actually there is one claim for morality: That that says that if one 
intermarriages is doing something like killing of stealing. 
Saying that intermarriage is wrong is like claiming for morality.



>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
>   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
>Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
>Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.

AAP

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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalia
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:46:08 GMT

In article <ALLEN.92Sep30111137@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>
>Any info (with references) on Gedalia ben Achikom and the politics of
>what lead up to his assisination?  I haven't been able to find more
>than a couple of sentences here and there.
>--
>K'tivah v'Chatima Tova!
>

Rabbi Berel Wein has a whole series of tapes on Jewish History. Series 1
covers the entire period of the T'nach. He has almost an entire tape
devoted to this subject. The story is absolutely fascinating. If you
pardon my saying so, the plot could easily rival any of today's best
movies/books :-)

The tapes are all available from Yeshiva Shaarei Torah in Monsey, NY.

If you need the exact references, please get back to me and I'll post them. 

G'mar Chasima Tova
Hayim Hendeles
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: here we go again....
Keywords: CAMERA PBS propoganda
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:55:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.134831.7090@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>I recieved a newsletter from the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East
>Reporting in America (CAMERA)  that claims PBS is going to be producing
>another bit of Arab propoganda.  You may recall that a few years ago
>they denied (till after it was aired) that a one-sided piece of Arab
>propoganda was funded by Arabs (I believe the Saudis).  To placate
>those that didn't care to see PBS dollars going for this trash they had
>a discussion group after the show.  Deservedly, they lost viewers and
>supporters for it.
>
>Now, according to CAMERA, they are about to produce "Struggle for Peace"
>that "...presents a catalogue of half-truths in which threats to Israel's
>security are wholly ignored.
>
>"Still more alarming, a companion 'study guide' targeting schools and
>community groups is being promoted by PBS.  It is no overstatement to
>describe this guide as a document of Arab propoganda.  A chronology of
>modern history actually omits the Holocaust as well as all Arab terror
>assaults on Jews."
>
>Does anybody know anything about this program?  Is CAMERA off the mark
>here?  Please help!
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

You had a monopoly on the media for the past 40 years. Is it too much
if the Arabs side presented their case now?

What Arab propaganda? Your article this is a propaganda by itself.

-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |   We take customer satisfaction  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |   personally.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:47:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct2.164717.10414@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>Same for blue jeans.  Only very recently has any form of slacks or
>pants been acceptible women's attire.  To this date, many religious
>(or simply traditional) families (non-Jewish ones, too) don't consider
>pants a man's garment.
         ^^^^^

oops.  I meant woman's.

Sorry.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:27:32
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: norm@helix.nih.gov's message of Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:36 GMT

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:36 GMT, norm@helix.nih.gov said:
> I know of a Reform place in Balto, Md, that uses trumpets for shofar.  I
> would guess that it would not make a difference whether or not it was
> Shabbos.

That's a new one on me. In all my years of going to Reform synagogues on RH
and YK, I've seen only Shofars.

Daniel
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   "You can't be a rationalist in an irrational world. It isn't rational!"
	       Dr. Rance, in Joe Orton's "What the Butler Saw"
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From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: Tax support of religion in Germany; was Re: PLEASE! I need your help...
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:00:57 GMT

In this context one should mention that the churches pay to the government
for collecting the church-taxes.

Werner
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From: alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Artscroll Tractate Megillah
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Sep30.203047.18067
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Engineering Research Center

I was happy to find out that Artscroll has extended their "sale"
on their English translation of the Talmud Mesechta Megillah.
Evidently someone has financed this sale, which is going on until
October 9. It is normally $40 but you can get it now for $15.

It is available both from Jewish bookstores and directly from
Mesorah Publications (sorry, I don't have the number here, but
they are in NYC.)
-- 
               		Alan Lustiger
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From: rainbow@mydland.Eng.Sun.COM (Queen of Infinite Space)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: what time is sundown?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:44:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: rainbow@mydland.Eng.Sun.COM (Queen of Infinite Space)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mydland

what time is sundown tonight (October 6th)?

thanks

--

As the Firesign Future advises,
 
  "The future...live it or live with it."
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From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: Tribe descent
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:01:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174236.2755@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
[...]
   >Does anyone know if your tribe is handed down by your Mother's family or 
   >your Father's family?  My mother's family is Levi and my father's is 
   >Israelite.  As the Jewish religion is handed down by the mother I am 
   >assuming that the tribe is also.  

   Among orthodox Jews, the answer is clearly: Through the father.
[...]
   One exception: a first-born son of a Bat Kohen -  a Kohen's
   daughter -- is exempt from being redeemed. (A theoretical exception:
   an unmarried bat Kohen can share in her father's dinner table,
   including the sacrifices.)


   Among conservative Jews -- where women are not prohibited from
   reading the Torah -- the issue of whether women should be called
   as Kohen or Levi is the subject of current rabbinical opinions and
   discussions.

A few small corrections:
1) I would rather you said "according to the Mesorah" or "according to
traditional Jewish Law", rather than "among orthodox Jews".

2) The daughter of a Levi also does not need her son redeemed.

3) The Mesorah does not prohibit, and in fact encourages, women to
read the Torah.  Note that women received the Torah first (see, for
example, Rashi).  According to the Mesorah, men need to go through the
Gemara before being able to really understand and appreciate TaNaCh
(Torah, Prophets, Writings); whereas women are able to start off with
TaNaCh directly.
--
K'tivah v'Chatima Tova!

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But those who toiled knew nothing of the dreams of 
        Those Who Planned;                         
And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel       
        Cared nothing for the workers who built it.

	-Metropolis
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