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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People"
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:37:39 GMT

Jose Gonzalez (wombat@eng.umd.edu) wrote:
: *Spoilers*               
: 

: A Few Random Comments:
: 
: - MotP is all plot.  We don't learn any new or interesting things about Troi.
: One good point however, is that the writers *haven't* swept Troi's and 
: Riker's relationship under the rug.  Elements of it make themselves known,
: such as the scene where Riker is obviously upset over Troi's fling with
: Ensign willing-and-able and Troi pisses him off by harking on it.  Nice
: scene there.  It brings up the question of just what would Troi be like
: if she said everything that she sensed from others.  *I* wouldn't want
: to around her too much. (Especially if she's wearing that *dress*. (-:) 

Riker isn't necessarily upset about "Ensign willing-and-able".  Troi is
hostile to every body.  Much like Alkar's "mother" was.  Its possible
she was being "hostile" rather than insightful.  I don't think Riker
was clearly as pissed off with her for harking on her fling as much as
her immaturity and lack of professionalism.

: - One small problem I noticed.  Here we have these two ambassadors who've
: been on the planet for weeks.  Yet it's *Picard* who knows about and suggests 
: this nuetral city for the meeting between the two factions?  Yeah, right.

These two ambassadors didn't seem too adept or independant thinkers.
They seem ok at observing the people, but not very good at solving
problems.  Notice that they couldn't hold the negotiations together while
Alkar was talking with Picard for a few measly minutes.

: - Sirtis did alright in her role, but it was nothing inspired.  I still
: don't know exactly what was meant by her examining her chest area while
: she was exercising in her quarters.  (Then again, maybe I don't want to. (-:)
: She wasn't bad, but I would have *loved* to see how Stewart would play it
: if he were given the same role. 

I think Sirtis' calmly evil side was impressive.  Some of her best
acting.  I loved the way she cut into "whining Ensign".  Her self
examination could have been displaced lust, or lust within herself
coming out.  Notice what happened immediately after:  She came on to
Alkar, and when rejected, mounted the first willing male she could.
She even seem to use her authority as Lt. Commander to coerce Ensign
willing-and-able.  When the ensign left her quarters, she spoke of "if
I need you, I know where to find you" and he answered "yes maam".  Not
one who was seduced, but rather forced.

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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:01:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.145646.3430@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>reviews from this site.

Do you promise? Yes?

And there was much rejoicing.


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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: The answer to Moriarty
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:57:23 GMT

     Let me throw my pebble in the pond about the Moriarty debate.  The
mention of his return got me thinking about it.  How about this (and excuse
my lax memory of this episode, "Elementary, Dear Data") : Geordi tells the
computer to create a character that can beat Data.  So, when fighting
fire, what do you use?  Fire.
     I'm sure that in the vast medical or engineering knowledge banks
of the E computer, there are schematics and/or design studies of Data
and his programming.  Wouldn't the computer use these, and therefore
"data-ize" a program (Moriarty) to fit the task?  It's not like the 
main computer doesn't have the analytical power to match Data's.  What
do y'all think?

     On a side note, in Man of the People, they *did* royally mess up
Geordi's pips.  Two hollow and on solid.  What was someone saying about 
Geordi being able to see "all" the visible spectrum?  Or is this a case 
of the blind leading the blind?

     Did anyone know that Jean Picard was an 18/19th century astronomer?
Make that French astronomer.  The Stargazer, eh?

     Speaking of Playboy, last month there was some woman in the very back
pages (that's all I saw) who had supposedly been on TNG, and she wasn't
exactly buffed but sort of close.  Does anyone know if this was a character
or just some ensign in the background?

     Didn't that lucky young ensign in MotP (who, if you missed it, carried
his boots right out the door with him) look just a little like a long-lost
descendant of Chris Pike?

     Q&A, T&A, we got it all here!!

						The Valiant yet Cowardly
						Kevin Duckworthio


"What is this???!!!!!!!???!?!?!??!"
  -- something I have to think all too often in the same situations.
From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ras.cluttered, not current (Re: No more "Opinionated Comments")
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:44:49 GMT
 <1992Oct13.171059.20332@athena.mit.edu> <rawdon.719008680@cs.wisc.edu>
 <1992Oct14.014959.6049@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Oct14.014959.6049@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, klein@frith.egr.msu.edu
(Jeffrey Klein) says:
>
>>How about we have real fans of Star Trek (the *real* series, not the
>>pretender, TNG) take this newsgroup back?
>>
>Well, this is r.a.s.current...

Oh, com'on!  Take a look around.  There's more non-current discussions in
this group than there should be; stuff that shouldn't be here at all.
What this needs is a moderator to keep it out.  Ok, enough of my well-
justified griping. :)

Atsushi, lad, you had the guts to stand up and tell it like it is.  Most
of your comments were right on the money.  This is a sad time.  You will
be missed by me and many others.
___

  Nicholas  Hester              "I'm a virgin...I'm just not good at it."
ia80024@Maine.bitnet                              -Ramada, "Hot Shots!"
ia80024@Maine.maine.edu
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Yet more rumors about O'Brien's rank
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Grover Thomas (grover@emunix.emich.edu) wrote:
: Possible "Man of the People" SPOILER
: 
: 
: I'm surprised that nobody else has yet mentioned this:
: 
: During "Man of the People" (when the ambassador/mediator/bad-guy is
: ready to beam down to the planet, and Troi breaks in swinging the
: knife) there is a woman operating the transporter controls.  She
: is referred to twice as "Chief."
: 
: Somebody has commented that "Chief" implies the head of the department
: or whatever;  Does this mean that O'Brien has not only been demoted,
: but also kicked off the Enterprise?
: (Perhaps his spider got loose into Picard's pajamas or something (-:) 

Perhaps each tranporter rooms (of which there are several) is considered
a separate department.  Also "transporter chief" may be a title to any
officer of a certain rank whose job is to monitor/operate the
transporters.  
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: "realm of fear" prece
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:08:44 EST

 -=> On 10-16-92  08:02, Edward V. Wright babbled to All saying: <=-

 >>        Incidental spoilers for "Realm of Fear" follow:

 

I dunno about you but I really don't think we need spoiler warnings
still...  Anyways, just in case...

 EVW> I believe that line referred to the number of people lost in *all*
 EVW> transporter accidents, not accidents aboard the Enterprise-D (which
 EVW> hasn't been around for 50 years).  If there were only two or three
 EVW> fatal transporter accidents in the entire Federation, it is doubtful
 EVW> that a random transporter chief with 22 years' experience would even
 EVW> know someone who had lost a person in a transporter accident.

Doesn't that make it even WORSE then?  No, not 2 or 3 transporter
accidents on the Enterprise-D but 2 or 3 transporter accidents within
the last 50 years throughout ALL of starfleet!  That's outrageous.  My
point is that there have been NUMEROUS transporter accidents on the
Enterprise-D ALONE -- I just can't remember them...  :-)

(C'mon, don't you get audio deja vu sometimes of O'Brien saying "I've
lost them..." and just can't remember where it was from? :-) )

 EVW> Imagine an Air Force officer saying, "I've been flying jet fighters
 EVW> for 22 years."  Would you interpret this to mean that he may not
 EVW> have had other duties, off and on, during that period?  Of course
 EVW> not.

Sure, I can accept other duties but I think transporting people and
being tactical officer are huge leaps...  And also the fact that he's
STILL a transporter chief.  Anyways, don't bother continuing THIS part
of the message, because I personally could care less about O'Briens
rank.  I constantly skip ALL messages with O'Brien in the header,
especially O'Brien and Rank in the same line...  Those threads are so
boring!  And they've been beaten to death.

 EVW> Add a footnote to your copy: It would take a miracle to recover
 EVW> a pattern after longer periods of time.  See also miracle worker,
 EVW> Capt. Montgomery Scott.

Like, say, 75 years?

"Relics" is on tonight here in Toronto...  From the non-spoiler messages
I've read, it sounds OK.  I hope...


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:29:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Satellite..???  How in the hell are you seeing a newepisode almost
>a week before anyone else??  I want it!!

It's actually fairly simple.  The local Dallas station downlinks it on
Saturday, shows it on Sunday, and re-runs it the following Saturday
when they downlink the next episode.

Relics was well done - I especially liked the holodeck scenes.  This show
could, and probably should, have been two episodes.  There was so much
more that could have been done with the interaction with the characters
and the "exploration" of the circumstances they were in.

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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 17:19:49 -0400 
From: Michael Joseph Harris <mh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ??


Riker would probably not choose either data or Worf..... Remember in the
Borg episode he chose neither.
                                        Apologies for putting in my 2 sense,
                                        Michael
From: bearce@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Phil Bearce)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:29:31 GMT
Subject: Troi question...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

Does anyone know where Marina Sirtis is from, I really like her accent.
Please don't flame me if this has been asked before.  E-mail if you please.

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From: kbarger@cellar.org (Kyle Barger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:54:14 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:

> I subscribe, too.  I'm simply asking why commercial TV on cable can't 
> be funded (via advertisers alone) the same way that commercial TV by 
> broadcast is.

Don't forget the viewership numbers involved.  Channels like CNN or the
Comedy Channel can get along with rating shares like 1% and 2%.  That would
be unbelieveably pathetic for a network, where even a dud of a show will
usually get 8 or 9.  So these cable channels cannot charge as much for their
advertising, because they do not reach as many people.  Where is the
difference made up?  In the per-subscriber fee that all the cable channels
charge.  They just get bunched together in the "basic" part of the bill,
instead of being billed separately like HBO et al. 



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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.123441.10359@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:

>Wow.  I am impressed.  After TAII, these last two episodes are a definite
>improvement.  Not to say that they are as great as mid-3rd season ones,
>but it does show that the writers HAVE paid attention to what we've been
>saying on here....


Don't kid yourself.



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From: clhaynes@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deep Base Nine
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Oct7.205832.13405
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I was wondering if anyone has info on Deep Base Nine. I don't even know if that
is the correct title.
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:18:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct14.221850.9265
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <Bw4L7I.545@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>>I definitely agree.  It is one of the very few Star Trek books I couldn't
>>bare to force myself through even once.  Also, avoid at all costs anything
>>by Sondra Mershak and Myrna Culbreath.
>
>If they're the ones who wrote THE PRICE OF THE PHOENIX and THE FATE OF
>THE PHOENIX, I'd have to disagree. I think those two Bantam books
>put 99.99999 % of all the new Pocket Trek novels to shame.

Ugh.  Well, I suppose we all have our opinions.  I just couldn't stand their
characterizations.  I mean the Kirk-Spock relationship was taken to such
extremes that it even prompted a footnote (by Admiral Kirk) in the novelization
of ST:TMP by the Great Bird himself.  They also wrote the book Triangle
which is part of the present series.  I found it equally abysmal.

Yasmin

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


[Note: Info for 232 (True Q) has not been received yet]

Rascals

Episode #233			uplink dates: 10/31/92, 11/01/92



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	[none]


				_C_A_S_T

	Captain Jean-Luc Picard			Patrick Stewart
	Commander William Riker			Jonathan Frakes
	Lieutenant Commander Data		Brent Spiner
	Dr. Beverly Crusher			Gates McFadden
	Counselor Deanna Troi			Marina Sirtis
	Lieutenant Commander Geordi LaForge	LeVar Burton
	Lieutenant Worf				Michael Dorn

	Alexander				Brian Bonsall
	Young Picard				David Tristan Birkin
	Young Guinan				Isis Jones
	Young Keiko				Caroline Junko King
	Lurin					Mike Gomez
	Berik					Tracey Walter
	Morta					Michael Snyder
	O'Brien					Colm Meaney
	Ensign Ro				Michelle Forbes
	Young Ro				Megan Parlen
	Kid #1					Morgan Nagler
	Molly					Hana Hatae
	Keiko					Rosalind Chao
	Computer Voice				Majel Barrett
	

	Written by: (not final)			Ronald D. Moore
	Teleplay by:				Allison Hock and
						Sherman Donner
	Story by:				Michael Piller
	Directed by:				Adam Nimoy



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: A bizarre transporter mishap transform
	Picard and three other staff members into children just as Ferengis
	invade and disable the ship.


_T_V_ _G_U_I_D_E_ _A_D_S

	CHILD'S PLAY!

	An accident turns Picard and three others into 12-year-old children!


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Accident turns Picard into a child on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
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From: franke@eta.fsu.edu (Jerry Franke)
Subject: Re: Ensign/Cadet Wesley (was Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER])
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 02:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.022024.13332@newstand.syr.edu>, crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
> In article <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
> >
> >4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.
> 
> Remember, though, that Picard only authorized him to act as an Acting Endign,
> not a fully commissioned one (he never did wear Starfleet red until he was
> actually at the Academy; besides, Starfleet Acadamy graduates are given the
> rank of sub-Ensign, I believe, and you can you have a real rank when you haven't
> been to school for it?)
> 

Actually, Wesley was field promoted to full ensign not long before his 
departure (and wore red as well).  Unfortunately, I don't remember the
episode's name.

jlf
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Future TOS-Cast Movies Speculation (was re Irrational Fear of Scotty)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>   James Doohan, in various interviews, (Cinefantastique comes most
>foremost into mind), has openly stated some hostile sentiments about
>William Shatner and Herve Bennett.

     Harve Bennett left the Paramount lot when his "STARFLEET
     ACADEMY" treatment, which he would have directed himself
     (another first-timer), was rejected.  Considering some of
     the things Bennett has been heard - and quoted - as saying
     of the supporting cast members, why shouldn't Doohan tell
     the truth when asked what he thinks of Bennett?

     As for Shatner...  The man who refers to his co-stars - all
     of them - as the "seven dwarfs."  The egomaniac who refused
     to work until his reserved parking space was moved closer to
     his trailer...  The man who orders rewrites of those scenes
     he is in, but not the center of...  or orders a reworking of
     the shooting scheme, so he is at least the VISUAL center of
     the action (yes, even way back when).

     I think Doohan's comments about Shatner - again, just the
     truth, not some tabloid-inspired "attack" - are right-on,
     and anyone who has seen the man at a show or met him
     in person would probably believe me.  

     Besides, Doohan's comments about Shatner are by far the most
     tame when compared to Walter Koenig's, which are unprintable
     (mostly because I can't remember whether it was "fucking
     asshole" or "asshole fucking").  Even DeForest Kelly made
     a remark at least once (at a show I was working just before
     ST VI came out) about Shatner's ego.

     Besides, we all know who's running the TOS franchise (if
     such a thing still exists)...  It's not Shatner.  It's
     Leonard Nimoy - who, actually, never disappointed Paramount
     in terms of Box-Office for ANY of the three films he's been
     more or less in charge of...  

  If the fallen deities at Paramount
>decides to make Trek VII, do you think the personality conflicts will
>force Scotty to be excluded from the movie?

     No.  This is a group that has been together - and with the
     notable exception of Shatner - PROFESSIONAL about their 
     personal feelings towards one another - for 27 years.

     I really doubt there will be another TOS movie - ever.  But
     if, for some stupid reason, it was decided to do another one,
     I see no reason James Doohan wouldn't be asked to participate.

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
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