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From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Pulse Oximeters
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In article <7529@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> Isn't this a bit overkill? In particular, 1) NRBs burn more O2 than other
> devices when used properly, and 2) some patients, especially where they might
> need to vomit, won't tolerate them well.
	Well let me ask you a question. Can you hurt a patient by giving
him High Con O2.... the answer is nope!!! Also in NYC at one time we
(Paramedics) were using the dextrosticks to be able to tell the glucose
level in the blood. UNTIL!!! Someone just went by the stick and witheald
D50 following in the patients death. We do not use them anymore. The same
can be said for pulse oximiters. I have been using them in the hospital
and sometimes people tend to withold something because a machine reading
states that they are doing fine. For instance... witholding O2 or
Nitro when a patient is complaining of chest pain and the monitor shows
NSR??? 
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My error..
From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE: Emt Bystander
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Date: 11 Oct 92 14:19:35 EST
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In article <7530@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> >(I always carry a semi ALS Kit when in car).
> 
> Out of curiosity...does your medical director cover you when you're out of
> your normal jurisdiction? Mine doesn't; I've quit carrying anything beyond a
> (reasonably well-stocked) BLS kit because of that.
	Well most of the time I carry a kit with me (holding some ALS to
work up an arrest or epi for asthma and anyphelaxis) for my friends and
family that usually acompany me on the trip. I am not covered by my
Medical Director but I am covered by Publick Health law as a knowledgable
first responder (that can be anyone) in other states! In other words I
will do some BLS using equipment available to me providing that I know how
to use it. A BVM, Cervial Color, Backboard, Bandage all fall into your
knowledge level if you are an EMT. In fact if you render care and do not
do it up to your level you will probably do worst then doing as much as
you can without going into things which are only covered by medical
director.
> 
> We don't use badges or anything like that; we don't want to be mistaken for a
> cop and get shot. Is this a consideration elsewhere?
	Well I work for New York City EMS. They decided to issue us badges
so similar to police that it is very very hard to distinguish both! The
uniforms are totally different and so far no one got hurt due to the
badge.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:30:05 EDT
From:         "Robert G. Kreisel (GWD)" <kreisel@BRL.MIL>
Subject: [(John K Scoggin): Responding from class]

>one night.  A student pulled the fire alarm in my building RIGHT IN FRONT
>OF ME!  Needless to say, he was surprised when I badged him and cuffed him
>right in the hallway...  Class was cut short so that I could take him in for
>booking.  (We did make up for lost ground in the next class, though) :-)
>
>	- John
>
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Interesting.  Is this one of the powers of the Del Fire Police?  You
carry cuffs with you?  What are the responsibilities and powers of
fire police.  We are considering starting the program here in Harford
Co, but do not have one at this time.  Are you volunteer?

-rob


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                                   Robert G. Kreisel, Jr.
  __________                Jarrettsville Volunteer Fire Company
  |AMBULANCE|_o_               Harford County, Maryland Co. 7
  |   791   |---\_                         EMT-A
  =(*)-------(*)-'     (HAZMAT 1-A/Hurst/De-Con/Radiological Monitoring)
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From: saltzman@ISOVAX (Bob Saltzman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Fire Department Managment Program
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: saltzman@ISOVAX
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Oct8.200759.50583@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, smk2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Scott M. Knauss) writes:
>Does anybody currently use a computer program to track various fire company
>activities such as personnel records, training records, inventory items?  If
>so, was the program purhcased or home grown?  Thanks for any info!!
>-- 
>************************************************************************
>Scott M. Knauss                     Phone: x84637
>Purchasing Department                 Fax: x84783
>203 E. Packer Avenue               E-mail: smk2@Lehigh.EDU

We have 'automated' all of the activities that you have mentioned,
plus more, on our several IBM compatible PCs.  We use commercial
software, FireSoft for state reporting, and tailoring of a simple
to use database package called File Express for the rest.  We also
are in the process of deploying MapInfo software for various
geographical mapping functions for our fire district.  The goal
was to make the systems easy to use by any personnel who wanted
to take responsibility for it - primarily our volunteer and paid
officers who are responsible for keeping up the paperwork.  OSHA
requirements have also stimulated our computer activities.  We
also keep all of our ALS/BLS quality improvement program statistics
on line to track our progress.  We have two stations, but systems
are not networked.  We found that orienting each system to specific
activities was not too much of an inconvenience as stations are only
a few miles apart.  All in all a modest effort with significant
positive results.

I am aware of much more elaborate systems in place, but the need
for a guru dramatically increases and can become a problem in any
organization, particularly those which depend upon volunteers who
turn over.

Bob Saltzman, AEMT-P,
Grand Boulevard Fire Company
Niskayuna FD #1, Niskayuna, NY
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From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE: Emt Bystander
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In article <1992Oct4.031112.192116@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> rwf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BOB FISHER) writes:
> Generally, we take report from EMT bystanders...if we know them, they help. If
> not, they watch.

	How about asking for IDENTIFICATION! I know that in a heat of the
moment its not a thing on your mind but having an out of town medic on
vacation help out is not so bad. For instance I go skiing in Vermont (from
NYC) all the time. There was a time that there was a collision in vermont
involving a off the road vehicle overturned into a ditch with a patient
being pined. Now there was no crew on the scene... (I always carry a semi
ALS Kit when in car). I provided a color and taped the patient to the
headrest after the color... the stabilization provided by a Japaniese car
seat is adequate enogh so that a patient can literally be taken to
hospital with a seat and provide perfect C-Spine. Now the EMT's got on a
scene and were surprised at my way of securing the C-Spine. I identified
myself showed them a shield with an ID card and explained to them the
reasoning and helped them out. I have alot of experience behind me and
have gotten into cituations where I had to improvise alot... so having
someone elses experience at a scene is not so bad.... AS long as they
Identifyt hemselves and show proof.
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From: bp12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian J. Papa)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Politicians
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:54:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oers22e00WA1A55BIh
Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpt from clarinet.pennsylvania.briefs   10/16/92
>       (PHILADELPHIA) - Mayor Ed Rendell says he is enthuiastic and
>optimistic about the city's future. He says the next hurdle to overcome
>is the police and firefighters arbitration awards. And Rendell cautions
>if they are NOT favorable to the city... he will use the bailout law to
>fight the awards in court. Rendell this month settled a city workers
>strike in 16 hours.

It is hard to believe that getting better emergency services (even at a
higher cost) isn't the outcome that is favorable to Philadelphia. 

Sigh.

-Brian
From: kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM ((Kenneth P. Lager Jr.))
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: in school volunteer response
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:30:14 GMT
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Hi Brad,
        My name is Ken Lager.  I run with Kutztown VFC here at Kutztown
University.  We run only pagers with no external siren.  I wear my pager
all the time while on campus.  I have responded from classes.  I simply
turn the pager off for about the first week of classes, no need to screw
things up early.  Then, with the professors that seem approachable and
rational as opposed to the ones who don't give a s**t, and tell them I am a
member with the local FD, tell them you are on call 24 hours a day and ask
them if it would be a problem to wear the pager in class.  I have had NO
problems from any professor I have ever approached.
        I have had the damn thing go off for a structure fire in the local
town in the middle of a final exam.  I didn't spend much time on that exam
& almost failed the course, but it happens.
        Also tell the residence life coordinator if you are living in the
dorms.  I was visiting a friend in another building when the damn pager
went off.  We have to be signed into the buildings for 'after-hour'
visitation.  Imagine the look on the Desk assistant's face as I flew out
the front doors, throwing my ID at him and screaming "I'll be back!"

        Anyway, E-Mail me and we'll talk some more.

Ken Lager
Fire/Rescue, National Cave Rescue
E-Mail address: kenlager
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:13:04 EDT
From:         "Robert G. Kreisel (GWD)" <kreisel@BRL.MIL>
Subject: [(Yury German): Re: Pulse Oximeters]

>	Well let me ask you a question. Can you hurt a patient by giving
>him High Con O2.... the answer is nope!!! Also in NYC at one time we
>(Paramedics) were using the dextrosticks to be able to tell the glucose
>level in the blood. UNTIL!!! Someone just went by the stick and witheald
>D50 following in the patients death. We do not use them anymore. The same
>can be said for pulse oximiters. I have been using them in the hospital
>and sometimes people tend to withold something because a machine reading
>states that they are doing fine. For instance... witholding O2 or
>Nitro when a patient is complaining of chest pain and the monitor shows
>NSR???
>
>   | Yury German                  yury@bknight.jpr.com                   |


And whose fault is that?  Whoever is teaching these people how to read
the machine, and what to follow.  The pulse-ox is a good indication of
when the pt. is not profusing properly!  When they are, you still give
them O2!  This is a potential problem for ALL of our equipment.  Do we
throw it out.  Of course not.  Train properly before use!!

-rob


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                                   Robert G. Kreisel, Jr.
  __________                Jarrettsville Volunteer Fire Company
  |AMBULANCE|_o_               Harford County, Maryland Co. 7
  |   791   |---\_                         EMT-A
  =(*)-------(*)-'     (HAZMAT 1-A/Hurst/De-Con/Radiological Monitoring)
                                     (kreisel@brl.mil)
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From: hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu (Luke Hankins)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: in school volunteer response
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:50:20 GMT
Distribution: misc.emerg-services
Organization: Swarthmore College

houstob@reis61.alleg.edu (Brad Houston) writes:

>	I am a recent volunteer firefighter at Allegheny College in  
>Meadville,Pa. I have been a FF/EMT in Northborough, MA FD. I am inquiring  
>of any experienced college students who are volunteers or call  
>firefighters: How have you have dealt with responding from classes and  
>pagers in class?
	Well, I'm a voulenteer firefighter here in Swarthmore, PA, and I've
not had that much problem with professors.  Actually, I've been in just
about a year now and I've just recently (two weeks ago) run out of my first
class.  It was a small class, 6 people, so I couldn't just sneak out when
the call came in.  My reflexes actually answered the question of what I was
going to do, as I was halfway to the door before anything registered.  I
mumbled a quick "Excuse me" and took off.  A lot of fun, actually. *grin*
	Most staff around here don't really mind because they live right in
the area and it may very well be their house thats burning...

>	Feel free to respond with any war stories of unhappy  
>professors...or compromising situations...
	Old-timeres around here have been known to observe that a lot of the
college firefighters discover how nice it is to have a little privacy with
their SO about the same time that they discover firefighting.  I've not been
caught 'in the act', so to speak, but my SO has been left standing in a
hallway wondering why I suddenly ran away. (**)

		-luke

(** Swarthmore has an air horn to alert those that don't have pagers and
most non-firefighters have a problem hearing it at a distance...  The
whackers, however, always seem to hear it... :-)
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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Negligent Dispatcher
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:30:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171113.25464@progress.com>, harris@progress.com (John Harris) writes:
...
> This incident has put the plan to implement a statewide E-911 system on the
> front page of most newspapers - a plan which has been kicking around for the
> past 5 years (at least) and is currently slated to be implemented sometime
> in `94 (I think).
> 
> In the past few weeks, Lexington FD has added some type of telephone trace
> capability (not caller-id I'm told), and in the first week, it was used 15
> times.  9 of the 15 times used, the caller was sometime testing out the
> speed-dial button on the telephone :)
> 
In Australia, 000 is the emergency number for police, fire or ambulance. This
is now a nation-wide system. IE if I call 000 and every operator in west aus,
south aus and the northern teritory is busy/on the can, Melbourne will take
the call and call the W.A. service. The operator is kept online until the 
responding service clears the call. The phone line is not droped until an
explicit clear signal is given. Full caller line info is presented to the
operator, and if equipped, the responding servise. The phone operator also
monitors the call and can add other services if needed.

The choice of 000 is for the same reason the Pomes use 999. 0 is the digit
next to the finger stop on a dail phone.

We had a dispatcher incedent a few years ago. A 000 call at ~3:00am reported
a fire 'going well' at the local pony club. The operator called out the back-up
brigade them fell asleep! We were called at 3:20 and where at the scene in 5
min. Not bad for ; waking up, getting dressed, driving to the station, turning
out, and traveling ~5KM to the scene. In fact it was less than 3 min from call/
pagers to our 'turn-out' call.

Anyway, next morning there is a HUGE flame, "why did you take 22 min to repond
to a 3rd alarm property fire??" "huh? What 22 min?"
So then they replayed the tapes... The brigade HQ came out looking a litlle
eggy to say the least...

~Paul

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From: scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Responding from class
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:52:13 GMT

Actually, it works both ways.  I taught CS for several years (nights), and
have had students respond from class.  No problem, just PLEASE don't put the
Minitor in monitor mode!  And it works both ways - I had to cut a class short
one night.  A student pulled the fire alarm in my building RIGHT IN FRONT
OF ME!  Needless to say, he was surprised when I badged him and cuffed him
right in the hallway...  Class was cut short so that I could take him in for
booking.  (We did make up for lost ground in the next class, though) :-)

	- John

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE: Emt Bystander
Date: 9 Oct 1992 03:33:17 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <yury.02pe@bknight.jpr.com> yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
>	How about asking for IDENTIFICATION!

Our service issues laminated photo IDs with name and certification, and this
is one reason why...

>(I always carry a semi ALS Kit when in car).

Out of curiosity...does your medical director cover you when you're out of
your normal jurisdiction? Mine doesn't; I've quit carrying anything beyond a
(reasonably well-stocked) BLS kit because of that.
 
>[...] showed them a shield with an ID card [...]

We don't use badges or anything like that; we don't want to be mistaken for a
cop and get shot. Is this a consideration elsewhere?
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From: dave@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (David M. Weinreich)
Subject: Duty to Act
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:34:36 GMT
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A question for the net: (with some relavent background
information)

We're affiliated with Columbia Unversity in NYC.  Our crew
carries two-way page capable radios. When we get a call, the crew
responds to the ambulance which is parked in the center of
campus.  This unfortunately means that a crew member may have to
go through a scene in order to get to the ambulance.

The question:
If a member on call passes through the scene on the way to the
rig, 1) do they have to stop (by law, neglecting the moral issues
for a moment), 2) if say, the call is a CPR call, are they
obligated to begin CPR even if they do not have any relavent
protective equipment.

Dave
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