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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Why IS there an X-Force? (Was: Re: X-Force #19
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:48:20 GMT
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Dani Zweig, commenting on how he actually picked up the latest X-Force on
the recommendations that it was "thoughtful," ended with the philosophical
question of:

>I'm not sure what X-Force's raison d'etre is supposed to be.  Is it 
>a group of super-powered youngsters whose powers completely define their
>identities?  Don't any of them want to be doctors or computer programmers
>or Britannica sales reps when they grow up?

Well, first off, I'd be leery of calling any X-book "thoughtful" in the
sense that Cerebus or Sandman are (or even Bone is, for that matter), but
then, I'm hoping most people don't read X-titles for the same reason they
read Sandman, Cerebus, or snotty-comics-critic-favorite-of-your-choice
(except, of course, for the base reason of to be entertained).

The trouble with X-Force is that it's only raison d'etre was to give
Liefeld his own book, since the then current contemporary creative team
on New Mutants was obviously incapable of continuing the title in the
spirit and means that it was intended (characters with powers, not powers
with guns and codenames). Oh, there was a small amount of justification:
Cable wanted to kill permenantly the baddies that were always plaguing the
mutants, and to bring the battle to them, instead of just waiting around for
the next attack. The trouble is, Cable never actually killed anyone
worthwhile, and even let some villains escape.

Back in the Claremont New Mutants, some of them had no desire to fight
crime, generic goons with bad fashion sense, and oddly-spiked suits of
armor with "y" in their names for a living. Sunspot, f'r instance,
especially after the Beyonder fiasco, wanted out of the whole affair.
Doug certainly didn't want to (and look where crime fighting got him),
and others certainly didn't intend to spend their whole lives running
around zapping people. Sam, for instance, was always concerned about making
sure his family was well-taken care for, since he (the primary bread winner)
was no longer working for them. Karma basically only wanted to be left alone
(at least she got her wish), and so on.

Now, I guess after Cable's brainwashing of the kids, they're going to go on
just fighting for no real reason, making X-Force, in some way, almost the
crystalization of all Marvel seems to intend to give us nowadays. With Fabian
N. now free of Liefeld's plot demands, though, maybe it'll start picking up.

"Are we not proof that the Universe is a drooling idiot with no fashion
sense?"
		--Mr. Nobody to the Brotherhood of Dada

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stevie Hunter (Re: X-Force #19)
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:44:26 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Dec29.180021.29389@netcom.com> jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis) writes:
>
>hmmm,  im pretty sure that Stevie Hunter is not the person Jean was rooming
>with in NYC back then.  I think it was someone named misty steele or something
>like that.  She was an ex-cop or something and had nothing to do with dancing.
>
>course I might be way off base here.  I just recently relieved myself of most
>of my old x-men and classic x-men.
>
    I think that was Misty Knight a X-Cop with a Cyborg Right Arm, X-Girl
  Friend of Iron Fist and Partners with Collean Wing in Daughters of the Dragon


					Jorge Delacruz

    P.S. I am not saying this is the roommate, only that this may be the person
  mentioned above
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:27:52 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1gpgr1INN9vm@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>magnus@IASTATE.EDU (Coinspinner) writes:
>>her mutant body to animate corpses----INCLUDING HER OWN! ...
>>takes the cake.  Come on, animate dead flesh?  Gah.
>                                                ^^^ nice sound effect
>Animate corpses?  Isn't that Marvel's job?!?  :)
>
>Heh, I don't see how it's such a stupid power, you'd certainly have
>fun scaring the shit out of necrophiliacs...
>
>What was she called, Zombie Queen?  Sister Voodoo?
>
   though not mentioned in that issue, I saw it somewhere else, it was
  Autopsy.
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From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Subject: Re: Stevie Hunter (Re: X-Force #19)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:00:21 GMT


hmmm,  im pretty sure that Stevie Hunter is not the person Jean was rooming
with in NYC back then.  I think it was someone named misty steele or something
like that.  She was an ex-cop or something and had nothing to do with dancing.

course I might be way off base here.  I just recently relieved myself of most
of my old x-men and classic x-men.

Jherico
-- 
Of all my uncles I think I liked Uncle Cave the best. | jherico@netcom.com
We called him Uncle Cave because he lived in a cave   |  Just zis paladin
and occationally he would come out and eat one of us. |     you know?
Later, we found out he was a bear.                    | "Yep, did that too."
From: mrpeters@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Holger Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:15:01 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Summary: Stupid Powers

It's neither exactly useless or stupid, but how about the power to keep your
rear end heated up, so you don't freeze on the john at 3am?

mrpeters@ocf.berkeley.edu
P.S.: 1st posting ever, after having read over 1000 back articles in the last 2 weeks      (I bet you're __really__ impressed now (Not!))

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From: cfarmer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chuck Farmer)
Subject: Stevie Hunter (Re: X-Force #19)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: NCSA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:25:19 GMT

In article <C00FF9.E4r@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R.
Henry) wrote:
> 
> No spoilers, so I removed many annoying blank lines...
> 
> >>I don't really know where Lila came from.  And who the heck
> >>was the Stevie girl talking to Roberto? But the point is made
> >
> >That was Stevie Hunter, a regular at the X-Mansion during the New Mutants.
> 
> Well, you could tell him better than that, it's not like it's some secret
> or something. Stevie Hunter is a retired professional dancer who runs a
> dance studio in Salem Center. She came into the X-lives about the same time
> as Kitty Pryde. Most of her big storylines were in the late 100s.

I am dating myself here but, Stevie Hunter started out as Jean Grey's
roommate after she left the X-men way back in about 11X

Thanx
Chuck
cfarmer@ncsa.uiuc.edu

Only a fool is sure. --Moe Howard
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From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel Comics-Time Travel
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

>Who besides me thinks that Marvel has let time travel get out of control.
>First, by having everybody and his brother having access to time travel.
>The list so far:
>1) Fantastic Four
>2) Doom
>3) Guardians of the Galaxy
>4) Rachel Summers (Her mutant power boosted by the Phoenix force)
>5) Widget
>6) Mojo 
>7) Dr. Strange
 8) Kang
 9) Rama-Tut
10) Korvac
11) Thor
12) insert your own additions here

				Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Factor Credits
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:32:18 GMT
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Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 23-Dec-92 Re: X-Factor
Credits Peter_A_David@cup.portal (223)

> The credits for "X-Factor #87" were written by me.

> I made Bob Harras a urologist because so many people are pissed with him,
> and I made Tom DeFalco a proctologist since he has to deal with so many
> assholes every day.

> PAD

Congratulations on a great issue! The credits were one of my favorite parts.
I'm glad PAD finally managed to work in the explanation of Quicksilver's
personality that you had in Wizard (it was almost word for word from
the interview, wasn' it?) because it just makes such sense. I assume that
the person alluded to that Pietro feels attached to in the team is Jamie,
especially since he wouldn't admit to it, and since Jamie would be *the*
last person Pietro would admit to liking, either that or Guido. :D
The "origin of Guido" would have made the "Calvin" story from the annual(?)
so much more enjoyable, too bad we couldn't have gotten the origin first.

Now the big question should be: why did this issue work so well? Answer:
because this team has some *serious* problems, with possible exception
of Pietro, all of them have a screw or two loose--or skeleton in their closet.
While it seems a little cliched that all of them have psychological problems
or traumas, it works. Why? Because PAD has set it up well--this issue kept
everybody in character (and established your "take" on Val, too). Had it
ever been established before that Jamie lived with his two dead parents,
or did you come up with that? I don't ever remember hearing that before.

Oh, and I agree that Lorna should dump the new duds--she looks like she
has become an "Image babe".....yuck....

Keep up the good work, Peter! (Please? :D)

--Vernon.
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Excalibur #62 SPOILERS & comments was Re: EXCALIBUR (SPOILERS)
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:04:35 GMT

Spoilrers and comments for Excalibur #62

Spoilers and comments ahead

rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes
>We now know what happened to Mastermind; RCX blew it up so they
>could hijack the warpies.  This is not surprising.  
To those of us who entered at Excalibur #1 it IS surprising, say on the 
level of who ARE these guys?
>RCX has also apparently merged with (or rather, forcibly absorbed) FI6 
>and WHO.
I got the impression that RCX became leader 'de facto' when the leaders
of FI6 and WHO were killed by Nerom and RCX respectivly.
>I must admit, arresting Kitty, Cerise, and Kurt for being illegal aliens
>was a nice touch :-)
Dispanding Excalibur was dumb though because the oginization still had three
British citizens (Brian, Meggan, and Ky'lun) and still could be absorbed.
Also since Cerise came in during the worse part of the temporal interface, 
proving she is truely an alien and not from 'Earth' in a ratically 
differnet reality is a problem. It is a good development though, because
we will most likely see from who Excalibur got its authority.

>More PhoenixAngst(tm)...sigh.
Alan Davis doen't seem to realize that his linking of Phoenix to the universe
on page 9 raises the question of 'Why didn't Phoenix help out in ANY of
the events surrounding Thantos's attempt to destroy the universe, or in
Infinity War?'  Also this very consept flies in the face of the rational
for Dark Phoenix and contridicts ideas put forth in What If... Vol 1 #32
and Gaurdians of the Galaxy {Especially if the Protegy sees Phoenix!}
SOME intellegent continity with just Marvel universe consepts would be nice.
{I have NOT been pleased with the continity of Phoenix under Alan's hands
(he blew a chance to correct the discrepencies between UX# 141-142 and
later recolections by Rachel.)though he can write a good story.}

>And Brian suffers another power failure.  What is it this time?  Some other
>one-shot thing, or the logical outcome of power nexus being eliminated due
>to the destruction (in #50) of the lighthouse and all of its incarnations?
Could also tie into the events of Excalibur #8-10.  These issues set up not only
that outside of England Brian looses his power but also so suggested that
he needed the outfit to gain back his powers. {Brian's power failures have
all been outside of his costume.}

Waiting for the next issue and hoping Pheonix gets back on track.
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From: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro)
Subject: EXCALIBUR (SPOILERS)
Organization: Digitopolitan Embassy to the US
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:39:52 GMT

You wuz warned...

Well, well...the plot thickens.
We now know what happened to Mastermind; RCX blew it up so they
could hijack the warpies.  This is not surprising.  RCX has also
apparently merged with (or rather, forcibly absorbed) FI6 and WHO.
I must admit, arresting Kitty, Cerise, and Kurt for being illegal aliens
was a nice touch :-)

More PhoenixAngst(tm)...sigh.

And Brian suffers another power failure.  What is it this time?  Some other
one-shot thing, or the logical outcome of power nexus being eliminated due
to the destruction (in #50) of the lighthouse and all of its incarnations?

'Twill be interesting to see what happens next.  It'd be nice if RCX was
wiped out, but I doubt that'll happen.  And where's Ky'lun?


--
Rich Carreiro
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:47:51 EST
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Multiple Man

In article <85793@ut-emx.uucp>, robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) says:
>
>I've read all the X-factor issues since #70, and I must admit I'm still
>not completely clear on the extent of Jamie Madrox's powers.  This is what
>I'm assuming they are:
>
>1)  He can form up to 39 other multiples of himself

Not sure, but I think this was because of Ricochet, wasn't it?  I don't
think the reasoning for his being limited to 40 was ever figured out right,
but it doesn't make sense.  His limit should be based on a binary number
such as 16, 32 or 64.  Better yet, he may have no limit...

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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Topped! (Was: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power)
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:49:31 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <Bzp775.Hx3@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
>>     in some X-men comic played for laughs there was a villian called
>> EYE-SCREAM who can change into any flavor of Ice-Cream.
>>
>>			Top That
>
>Ah, yes, the Obnoxio one-shot special. Obnoxio the Clown, for you
>uninitiates, was the stogie-chompin' Doom Clown for Marvel's once-thriving...
>well, once-existant comedy line. Obnoxio teamed up with the X-Men in his
>special, which also featured one of the earliest Phoenix-Death parodies,
>if I remember correctly.
>
>And, as topping for your ice cream, may I introduce you to Dris-Stan, the
>mutant with the power to CONTROL the very MUCUS in your SINUSES?
>
>I thought so! Enjoy, he's here for the holidays.
>
>"She was in great pain." --van Helsing
>-- 

    Speaking of Enjoy and Pain, what of Leather Lass, She hits you Hard and
  you enjoy it.


						Jorge Delacruz
From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:21:32 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <BzJGtM.Ctu@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>Now, to turn away from the fantasies of games to the real world of comics,
>I always thought the worst mutant power would be the mutant power to
>register as a mutant on mutant scans. No powers to go along with it, you
>just register as a mutant.

Since this happened somewhere near X-Factor #14 (Master Mold finally
discovered that all humans are mutants to some degree.), it wouldn't be too bad.


		Boris Ammerlaan

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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Multiple Man
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:17:53 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <85793@ut-emx.uucp> robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) writes:
>I've read all the X-factor issues since #70, and I must admit I'm still
>not completely clear on the extent of Jamie Madrox's powers.  This is what
>I'm assuming they are:
>
>And what about the multiple dying?  Was the fact that he couldn't be absorbed
>purely due to Riccochet messing with his powers?  Or do dead dupes really
>become permanent dead bodies, instead of ephemeral live ones?  And does the
>death knock down the max total of dupes he could make?  (i.e., before his
>dupe got shotgunned, he could have made 20 dupes . . . this doesn't seem
>to wash because afterwards when the real and evil Madroxes fought, they
>still added up to 40 instead of 41, if it was assumed that none of the evil
>Madroxes dupes had been killed yet . . . so we have a Madradox (Madrox Paradox))
>
  the Madrox in Fallen Angels was the "evil" Madrox and the citizens of 
  Coconut Grove (the home of Fallen Angel Alien, whatever happened to them?) 
  experimented on an Injuried duplicate that didn't want to merge back,
  a possible mutation of a mutant duplicate.  Therefore both Madrox's lost a
  Duplicate.

						Jorge Delacruz
From: lore@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Lore Christian Sjoberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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I now present the newest Marvel X-book, a sort of Legion of
Substitute Heroes of the genetically aberrant crowd:

The X-TENDED WARRING TEENS!

(Say it out loud a few times. You'll get it.)

This team was assembled using the Doug Ramsey Memorial Grant

CHAMPION V

Secret Identity: Buck Von Tiffany
Power: Can control anything beginning with the letter "V".
Angst: Fears that his powers are too useful, and the rest of the
       team is jealous.

THE HOSTESS

Secret Identity: Glenda Grey (No relation)
Power: Can make mass-produced fruit pies and cupcakes so irresistable
       that the victim will stop whatever he's doing and say "Mmmm!
       That Creamy Filling!"
Angst: Misses her homeland, even though it's only a fifteen minute
       bus ride away.

BALL PARK

Secret Identity: Murray Leftwich
Power: Plumps when you cook him.
Angst: Secretly in love with the Hostess, but won't tell her for fear
       she'll end up leaving him for a spin-off series.

HALLUCINATION

Secret Identity: Patricia O'Sinclair MacMenzie
Power: Can create a holographic projection of her own deepest fear.
       However, her deepest fear is of binder rings, so she's pretty
       much the only one scared.
Angst: Not really Irish.

SQUARE MEAL

Secret Identity: Del Summers (Still no relation)
Power: Can turn his body into any one of the four food groups.
Angst: Doesn't "get" Mystery Science Theater 3000.

ANGIE

Secret Identity: Angie Fnefnel
Power: Finds pennies everywhere.
Angst: Fears that a malvolent presence is slowly infiltrating her
       soul. Actually, she's wrong.
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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Rahne jokes
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:29:43 GMT

With PAD doing Rahne's World (X-CELLENT) and Rahne and Simpy, how many
puns could be created on the Rahne theme?

I saw "singin' in the Rahne"  

How about Guido under a Rahne occupied outhouse singing
"Rahne Drops keep fallin' on my head"

Or Rahne's evil twin "Black Rahne"

Just a thought,

Jolly Roger
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Why IS there an X-Force? (Was: Re: X-Force #19
Date: 3 Jan 1993 04:18:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <C07xsK.6x2@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
>Dani Zweig, commenting on how he actually picked up the latest X-Force on
>>I'm not sure what X-Force's raison d'etre is supposed to be.  Is it 
>>a group of super-powered youngsters whose powers completely define their
>>identities?  
>The trouble with X-Force is that it's only raison d'etre was to give
>Liefeld his own book, since the then current contemporary creative team
>on New Mutants was obviously incapable of continuing the title in the
>spirit and means that it was intended (characters with powers, not powers
>with guns and codenames). Oh, there was a small amount of justification:

>Now, I guess after Cable's brainwashing of the kids, they're going to go on
>just fighting for no real reason, making X-Force, in some way, almost the
>crystalization of all Marvel seems to intend to give us nowadays. With Fabian
>N. now free of Liefeld's plot demands, though, maybe it'll start picking up.

	Well, since Fabian N's New Warriors is one of the best super-team
comicson the market, if not _the_ best, I'm giving X-force and X-men a few
issues after the X-cruciating Crossover to see how they turn out. 
	Anyway, the role of X-force, from my perception is to be the "angry
young mutants."  A mutant "gang," as it were.  If they use Cable's (never 
used from what I hear), tactic of "taking it to the villains," it might be 
interesting.  Consider how many times the X-mansion has been attacked by
villains.  I wonder why it hasn't occured to Xavier to _move_ after the 
tenth time the mansion was destroyed.   
	To use a (probably bad) analogy, if the Xavier is the Martin L. King 
of mutants, perhaps X-force is to be the "Malcolm X-men."  The often quoted
line "by any means necessary," might become X-force's credo.  
	Of course, Sam was right in pointing out that, in fact, X-force's 
deeds are really comparable to the X-men.  Both teams have killers on
them (Bishop, Wolverine, Archangle, Cable, Feral, Shatterstar).  
Both teams cause property damage.  Both teams have had government problems
(remember when the X-men broke into the Pentagon to erase govt files on them?).
According to Marvel, times are tough for mutants.  Of course, nowadays,
most of the big problems are from inter-mutant squabbles.  (What
non-mutants were prime players in X-cutioner's song?  Mr Sinister, perhaps?)
-- 
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