From: sosc1069@highway.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Comp. Sci.  York Univ.  Toronto
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:48:27 GMT

### On 3 Jan 1993 19:44:33 GMT, xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) said:
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xzh% In article <C0AJFM.DrL@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
xzh% |> In article <X5b=V-+@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
xzh% |> >
xzh% |> >Yan Xing came to Ann Arbor to give a Qi Gong lecture last year.
xzh% |> >I attended his lecture. During his lecture, I followed his instruction
xzh% |> >and, after 30 minites, my arms keep shaking and I can not control
xzh% |> >my arm. When I went to restroom and left the lecture hall, the
xzh% |> >Qi Gong effect disappears. I also saw many people lost their control
xzh% |> >and laugh or cry. From my personal experience, Yan Xing's Qi Gong
xzh% |> >is a real thing although I do not understand it. Probably, it is 
xzh% |> >something beyong today's science.

	This guy had experienced the mystery of Qi4 Gong1.  And I
	believe there were also many people who were not moved by Yan2
	Xin1's instruction.  I was told if you don't believe it, you
	will hardly be affected.

xzh% |>
xzh% |> I am sure your arm shaking has a biological explanation as a kind of
xzh% |> muscle fatigue :-). Ancient people considered rain as the will of
xzh% |> dragon. I also noticed that some people in the room had crazy movements.
xzh% |> I had video record of some of them. But I also noticed that these people
xzh% |> did not come from local area, instead they all came from remote
xzh% |> places. I suspect it is a kind of political society. Because Yan
xzh% |> Xing seemed to know all of them. It would be interesting if some
xzh% |> people who had recorded Yan Xing's lecture elsewhere compare with
xzh% |> each other and see if these laughing and crying people all have the
xzh% |> same faces.

	For the events you were attened, how many percent of people
	was clearly affected by Yan2 Xin1's instruction.  And What is
	the aproxiemate number of people there?  If there are several
	hundred of people were affected, do you think Yan2 Xin1 is
	able to support that number of people to follow him in USA
	finacially?

[...]

xzh%
xzh%      You didn't make comparisons properly here. The Qi Gong has lasted 
xzh% for thousands of years has numerious solid evidences to support its existence.
xzh% The point is that people should not overdo anything. Kong3 Zi1 said that
xzh% too much is like not enough. It applies to everything, including Qi Gong and
xzh% yes, Science. From your messages, it seems to me that you are making
xzh% too much of the current science. Two hundred years ago, people would think
xzh% what we have now were impossible and crazy. Two hundred years from now, there
xzh% will be many things that we may think crazy. The point is that on the
xzh% one hand you have to be careful about what you are doing, that is the attitude
xzh% of science, on the oher hand, don't be rigid, use your imaginations,
xzh% this is the source of discovery. Like UFO and other mystries, Qi Gong is
xzh% something which can not be explained properly by the current science. Let's
xzh% accept its existence and I don't believe it will be beyond the future
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
xzh% Science.

	I agree here.  There are many reports to proof there is Qi4
	Gong1.  Though that is not to say Qi4 Gong1 is science.  There
	are too many things we didn't know.  Yan2 Xin1 himself doesn't
	know the reason why he can do this.  It is possible that Yan2
	Xin1 bragged his ability somehow.  If so, that is harmful to
	the glory of Qi4 Gong1.

	To me, I am 70% believing Qi Gong is powerful.  And I expect
	that is a historical science breakthrough if we can explain
	the reason of it.

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Ming He                                   sosc1069@reader.yorku.ca
From Beijing, China.  Like to watch to the transference of data.