HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsxie@src.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:01:15 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <redmondd.712414807@unix1.tcd.ie> redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.165639.6557@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>
>>I assume that the Chinese female swimmers in the contests all have
>>passed the gender test and drug test.  So a gold medal is a gold
>>medal.  Remember this is Olympics, not one of those Miss Universe
>>contests where the prettiest girl wins.
>
>Yeah, but also remember that if you come off the dope a few weeks
>before the meet you won't get caught but the "benefits" linger.
>
>Judge Raz.

I agree,god ,look at the red eyes of Carl Lewis,I can't imagine a human being
can run as 9.86" without steriod drug.I am a narrow-mind person,I can't imagine
a person can outrun the best person in China without using steriod.

Look at Mike Powell,he promote his long jump at least 40cm in less than 1 year.
Is that the evidence of steriod drug if you don't trust some kind of special
training technique can improve the performance in a short term?

Did you ever see some kind of women they look not so tidy,tender,but they are
still women?

But anyway,Carl and Mike are still my favor athelic.I can be exactly sure they
don't use any kind of prohibited drug.

People are innocent before you can point out the evidence of criminal.

Dear Judge Raz. ,let some fresh air clear your racism mind.There is a 
competetive world,who try hardest will win.

BTW,Ms. Zhuang swan 54.51" at women's 400 freestyle relay,only 0.03" slower
than the world record.
From: fengzou@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Feng Zou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help: KU Host machine name
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:40:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Summary: Host addr of KU Unix machines
Keywords: host addr

Hi! Could anybody there please tell me any machine
addr. or host names at U. of Kansas?
Thank you!
Feng zou: fengzou@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Kansas State U.
From: yeb@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About 3-kingdom
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:36:46 GMT
Reply-To: yeb@egr.msu.edu ()
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: yeb@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <9207271903.AA03210@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          1.  A friend asked me about the English title of the
>              3-kingdom book, I don't know and hope people can post
>              here.
>
>          2.  Many friends asked the original of the 3-kingdom poem,
>              Here it is based on my memory.  You3 shi4 zhi1 shi4 feel
>              free to change if you think you are better than Luo
>              Guan zhong:
>
>          guan3 guan3 da4jiang dong1 shi4 shui3
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	   gun3  gun3  chang2
>          lang4hua1 tao2 jin4 ying1 xiong2 
>          shi4 fei1 cheng2 bai4 zhuan3 tou2 kong1
>          jing1shan yi1jiu4 zai4 
	   ^^^^^
	   jiang1
>          ji2 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2
	     ^
	     3
>
>          bai2fa yu2weng1 jiang1zhu3 shang4

>          guan4kan4 qiu1yue4 chun1feng1
>          yi4bei1 zhuo2 jiu3 xi3 xiang1 feng2
>          gu3jin1 duo1shao3 shi4
>          dou1 zai4 xiao4 tan2 zhong1.
		fu4
>
>          3.  Many people gave their version of translations about the
>              setting sun sentence above.  After reading this whole
>              thing you might want to revise what you said.  I will
>              post the summary and give the best :-) soon.  Of course
>              given that we already had so much trouble just
>              translating two sentences, it is beyond human ability
>              to get the whole poem translated.  That's fine because
>              we have to zheng4 shi4 our limits. 
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.203757.29535@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:

>First of all, welcome back to scc, Ms.Liu. I sincerely hope you come
>back with your health problem cured because this thread might not go on
>nicely (i.e. it might be harmful to your health.)

Thank you for remembering my health. :-o   My WBC is back to normal 
according to the blood check of last week.  So I am healthy now.  Thank
you.

>Now let me point out some misunderstanding in your post:
>1. I didn't say San Mao's books are junk. What I said is:
>       Qiong Yao's books are drugs, so to speak, while San Mao's books
>       are not worse than junk.
>   By that I meant QY's books are harmful while SM's books are not worse
>   than something harmless but valueless.
>2. I said QY's books are drugs because (I think) they are addictive AND
>   creating quite a few daydreamers. Of course, "drug" might not be an
>   appropriate word for that.
>3. I have stated clearly why I don't like San Mao's books in the previous
>   post (see above what you quoted) (OK, I said she is kinda making fuss
>   of nothing in her books. But you are free to call this "feature" xi4
>   ni4.) 

OK, that is your opinion.  Everybody is entitled his/her own opinion.

>Finally, some tips for you: don't jump to conclusion and don't be too
>sensitive to any comments about women.

Thank you for your advise.  I cannot help mentioning that I got a message 
critisizing San Mao to have a Westerner husband.

BTW, what was San Mao's English name, Echo?  And where can I get her books 
in US and are there English version of her books?  I did not finish all her
books in in China and would like to read the beautiful books.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: some thoughts
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:13:00 GMT

>Nationalism only divides people.  Nationalism makes war, not love.
>Have a little less nationalism.  Be a Universal Man.

Be something between them., we are living in the reality anyhow.

Communism is unimaginable under current circumstance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: LuoShi YouYongChi (60 swimming pools)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:55:59 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


 
Guys, Guys! I have this all figured out: Before writing this article, 
the reporter requested, and granded an interview with an official. One
question naturally arose was: "what is the best way to attract good 
divers?", the answer is, of course: swimming pools! But as an official,
you have to speak with official cliche, like Fa1Dong4 (ignite),
Ka1Zhang3 (develop), or Luo4Shi2 (make sure), or Read My Lips 8-).
So the officer said: "Luo4Shi2 You2Yong3Chi4!" That sounded like 
"sixty swimming pools" and was so translated.

It will be entertaining (black humor?) to find out how many American
believe, doubt, or disblieve this figure.

Let me digress a bit, remember those July-August-September rumors? (those
who do will get a 10-point bonus). Once Mao asked Deng how many public
lavotory the whole country had, Deng answered: Two! and he was right!

Bye, the boss is coming ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:10:26 GMT

yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                ) writes:

>bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>|>->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.

>|>being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
>|>60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
>|>your statement.

>I guess what jialin means is that western women are reluctant to spend time on
>housework. :-)

I hate housework too, but I do not think I am lazy. I know some Chinese
women, like my sister, are never happy with the housework. I can not say
they are lazy. It is said 'Gi Shuo Wu Yu, Wu Shi Yu Ren'(Do not push the
others do what you don't want to do). There is a big difference between
Chinese women and western women, or American women. But please do not use
double standards, do not lable *all* American women as 'Lazy'. It is just
not fair.
From: xh@vision.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 20:09:12 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.csl.uiuc.edu

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:


>          The original is:

>              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
>               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."

Oh, boy, Call Hu Lao if you want a beautiful translation:

	"While the rivers and mountains looked still the same,
	 The Sunset had had reddened the sky time and again."

or,
	"Unchanged are the rivers and mountains
	While the Sunset blushes time and again"


Xiaoping


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jpxu1@fnalf.fnal.gov
Subject: steriods and racialism.
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:29:49 GMT

The question about if Zhuang and Li used sterois or not is just a smoke screen.
The unspoken words are, you yellow guys are not supposed to be as strong as
us (white/black/purple/blue...) guys.  So if you beat us, you have to be
cheating.  No evidence is needed.  It is a very logical conclusion start
from the big assumption you are not as strong as we are.  Why bother to argue?

--jpx
From: xh@uirvli.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 23:57:42 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uirvli.csl.uiuc.edu

xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:


>              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
>               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."

>I have seen many translations, Little Hu's translation has the
>literary merit but the original meaning is alterred. Old Lix's
>translation is close to truth, but only close. 

>What the original verses mean is this:  

>Rivers and Mountains are still stuck on the earth, 
>while it spins around its axis  one cycle per day. 

	Are you so sure? I understand that the verse means:

	Rivers and mountains are still there,
	After so many other changes happened (or after so many years passed).


>The verses emphasize on the fact that eventhough the earth spins, the
>rivers and mountains are not thrown away. They will be if the earth
>spins too fast, I presume. 

	The rise and fall of the sun are  only an indicator of time here.

>I hope this helps. 

	When you read poem, you need to capture the whole meaning of
the poem, but not get stuck to the particular words used.

	"What a romantic fool am I
	Growing grey hairs on a youthful head!
	But let this cup of wine
	Libate the Moon and Earth!"

Xiaoping
From: chi@watnxt07.ucr.edu (Lung-chi Chuang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Please Help with CND news service!
Keywords: CND, internet account
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:49:47 GMT
Distribution: usa


I am looking for a listing of how to sub and unsub CND News  
services.... I need to terminate my CND News services... because  
my account is going to be shut down in August and will not be  
reopen until this fall.

Also, if any of you know a place where I can apply for an free  
internet account so that I can continue to receive news from  
CND.

Thanks!

Please reply directly to my account at chi@watserv.ucr.edu


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
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From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: NBC olympic coverage
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:28:11 GMT

In article <Bs5xIK.8LH@cs.psu.edu> shen@math.psu.edu writes:
>In article 12277@athena.mit.edu, dethomas@athena.mit.edu (Drea E Thomas) write
s:
>>Just another note on NBC's appalling coverage of the olympics,
>>
>>In gymnastics, the standings were Eun, Romainia, USA and China.
>>
>>Tuesday night;
>>They spent more than an 85 minutes on the first 3 countries,
>>and a grand total of a 1.5 minutes on china. They showed only
>>1 chinese gymnast, and throughout the performance they continually
>>commented on how this wasn't the chinese teams best apparatus
>>(then why didn't they show them on one they were particularly
>>good at), how the chinese didn't have the 'right body type'
>>to do well at this activity.. etc.
>>
>> Clearly you want to spend the most time on the top 3 countries,
>>but am I the only one that thinks that this is unbalanced?
>>Also, are there only 4 countries competing in gymnastics? Not
>>one mention of any others.
>>
>> In the swimming events this pattern is just as bad. In one
>>race (womens, 200 m breaststroke??) in which a chinese athelete
>>got the silver medal, they never even showed her (in closeup)
>>I never even saw her face. The american who won the bronze medal
>>was profiled and interviewed extensively.
>>
>> When they do mention chinese athletes, they refer to them
>>as machine like, all the same, no creativity.. etc.. all the
>>usual stereotypes..
>>
>> This kind of arrogance/racism/xenophobia makes me ashamed
>>to be an american.
>>
>> If you want to complain to NBC, the number was given earlier
>>(212-664-4444).
>>
>>------------------
>>just my $.02
>>
>>   -Drae-
>
>
>
>Throughout the coverage of Olympic events these days, NBC has shown such kind 
of
>CHAUVINISM that it is almost unbearable for all Chinese. Despite the excellent
>performance, no positive image of a Chinese athlete has been shown on NBC, exc
ept
>the unbelievable Fu Mingxia, whom the NBC anchorman had to(maybe not willing t
o) acknowledge as the "invincible prodigy of China".
>
>Down to these "arrogance/racism/xenophobia" Mei(3) Guo(2) Lao(3)!
>

Does this refer to all Mei3guo2 Lao3, or to most Mei3guo2 Lao3, or to just a 
few Mei3guo2 Lao3?  Also, what attitude should we take to the few 
arrogant/jingoistic/racist Zhong1guo2 Lao3 who also happen to post on this net?

Robert Sanders
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: My feelings
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:21:02 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <9207291603.AA13044@phloem.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
|> 
|>           Hi, folks, 
|>              It might not be appropriate to decide whose is the hero
|>           based on win or lose (cheng2 bai4 lun4 ying1 xiong2), but as
|>           the number of medals goes up, I do feel stimulated!
|> 
|>              I walk on the street and feel considerably taller, and I
|>           began to be pretty arrogant in classes.  I intentionally
|>           change the topic of meetings to Olympic game, and tell
|>           people I was really surprised how few medals the U.S. has
|>           won.
|> 
|>              I am most proud of the fact that Chinese also win medals
|>           in almost purely physical things like swimming.  In the past
|>           I only trusted on chinese brains and chinese food, not
|>           limbs.  So this is really a boost of confidence!  I vow I am
|>           going to start swimming, too!  At least I can beat a couple
|>           of high school drop-outs.
|> 
|>              IMHO, we chinese is at a point where we need mostly
|>           cow-boy kind of people instead of Jia3 baoyu kind of people.
|>           What do you think?  
|> 

You'd better not be happy too quickly, when the field and track events
come along, US would get a lot of medals.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Chinese divers' secret
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:52:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Chinese divers are very good.  I think their gymnastic background
and their relative small figures are all important factors.  I read
a few years ago that Chinese team had a very good technique to
suppress the water splash.  Does any one know how that technique
works?

Most of the divers are gymnastic "drop outs."  According to the
NY Times, Fu MingXia at 8 "Possessed with great talent and control,
she was already a bit old for gymnastics, so she was channeled
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rock Concert in Bejing
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:57:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul26.165701.27984
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

In article <zhu.711830064@menaik> zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen) writes:
>shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
>>Madonna and Jackson would be perfect for audiances, but not for the government.
>>Phil Collins, Billy Joel etc, more soft stuff, would be good for both.
>If they could use Ping Pong to normalize Sino-US relations, why not 
>some hard rock to introduce Western spiritual pollution or for some 
>other unknown purposes.


Let's not talk about the price, I am sure Phil's "Another Day in Paradise"
would be welcome by the government, since it reveals the real face of
the western capitalism, but not so sure about Billy Joel, since he kinda
mentioned "martial law in China" (i.e., after 6.4) and expressed himself
"can't take it anymore" in his song "We Didn't Start the Fire". To me,
Madonna would probably cause a more significant "sex revolution" in China
than any political tendencies.


>If you ask people to pay more, you would probably start wondering if 
>Capital Workers' Stadium is a bit too big.
>
No I wouldn't. I tell you what, it'd be filled up if Madonna or 
Micheal Jackson came to Beijing's Worker's Stadium. You probably would
be surprised to realize, by then, that how many RICH people there are .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@bnlux1.bnl.gov (yue shen)
Subject: GATT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:22:44 GMT

Does anyone know info for "Guan Mao Zong Xie Ding" (I believe it's GATT
in English)? China and Taiwan are applying to be members of GATT. I
would like to know what are the main contents of GATT agreement. Does
anyone know where I can find more info? Thanks.

Yue Shen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zuofeng@hylas.wustl.edu (Zuofeng Li)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re:
    China News)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:34:00 -0500


>Tell you one thing you should always keep in your mind: Western 
>countries are always tring to dump out-of-date to the developing 
>countries, at the same time that they move chemical plants to
>these countries! US is very tough in exporting Hi-Tech products 
>to China, including computers. They dumped a lot of 70s computers 
>to China in late 80s, but in CHEAP PRICES.

$10,631 for a Tempo certainly ain't cheap.

>Do you expect that first class products are imported to China?

Why not? China's spending the big bucks anyway, why not the better
VALUES? China did import a whole herd of M-B's for use as Taxies.
Ain't those first class products? :-)

One of the GM officials commented, after the deal was sealed, that
it is expected that the deal would help China gain MFN. China's
essentially buying the Tempos (and Chrysler Maxi- and Mini- vans,
and GM Minivans and SUV's), for the political leverage. But even
then there could've been better buys than Tempos out there. :-(

-zuofeng
From: txu@lab2.ma.utexas.edu (Tao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Yang won gold and broke world record
Summary: Yang
Keywords: Yang
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:47:53 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

Yang Wenyi won 50m freestyle gold medal and broke world record (54'79?).
Zhuang Yong won the silver medal
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Daughter of gerneral marry with son of chair. of Allied-Signal
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:28:50 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Jul20.052056.22022@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> rosa@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Cheryl-Ann De La Rosa) writes:

>There is an announcement on Weddings page of 7/19 New York
>Times. Maybe some comments will come from this group in
>addition to congratulations.

>[  Kathy Zhi-Hong Wang, a daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Cheng
>Wang of Beijing, was married yesterday to Michael E.
>Hennessy, the son of Mr. and Mrs. Edward L. Hennessy Jr. of
>Palm Beach, Fla. Msgr. John F. Corr officiated at Christ
>the King Church in New Vernon, N.J.
>   Mrs. Wang-Hennessy, 35 years old, is a financial analyst
>at Allied-Signal Inc. in Morristown, N.J. She gratuated
>from the University of Houston. Her father, who is retired,
>was a general in the Chinese Army.
>   Mr. Hennessy, 36, is a products analyst in Troy, N.Y.,
>for the Allied-Signal Automotive North American Friction
>Materials Group. His father recently retired as the
>chairman of Allied-Signal.]

It seems to me that the main characters in this announcement are the two
fathers rather than the two "just married".
-- 

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			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am)