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From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: precision Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:46:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <1dt277INNh50@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>In article 1dn6tjINNcie@manuel.anu.edu.au, I wrote:
>
>>In the course of some research into Middle East history, I need
>>to interpret the following sentence from German Foreign Ministry
>>archives (1941):
>
>>    Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des 
>>    im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht 
>>    lebenden Judentums sein.
>
...
>
>To elaborate a little, would L have come away with a clear belief 
>that the Nazis would kill every Jew in Arab lands, or might he
>have reasonably interpretted those words as just a more forceful
>way to promise "Beseitigung der nationalj\"udischen Heimat"?
>(I would consider this to be a feasible interpretation of the
>English phrase "destruction of the Jewish element" in the context.)
>Remember: L was NOT a member of the Nazi inner circle.
>

    The German text must be interpreted with attention
    to the historical context in which it was written.
    It is clear that the text conveys the intention
    to commit Vo"lkermord.  The text is merely the translation
    (spatial sense, not linguistic sense)
    into the Middle East region of adolf's well publicized
    rantings about ,,die Vernichtung der ju"dischen Rasse
    in Europa''.
From: nad@cray.com (Ned Deily)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:24:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.011952.13892@acuson.com> salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons) asks:
>Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?

According to the November issue of the Consumer Reports Travel Letter,
neither of the two big US ATM networks (Plus and Cirrus)
provide access in Germany, although they do have agreements with
banks in many other countries.

Another option:  If you have a (US) American Express card and are
enrolled in their Express Cash program, you can use your card to
obtain DM at cash machines of the Deutsche Verkehrs-Kredit Bank (DVKB)
which operates the currency exchanges in most large (West) German
train stations and airports.  There are also AMEX ATMs at some
American Express city offices and in airports.

If you are really desperate, you can probably use a VISA or MC charge
card to get a cash advance at many locations but ...

--Ned
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: "ernest blaschke" <ernest.blaschke@canrem.com>
Subject: translation
Reply-To: "ernest blaschke" <ernest.blaschke@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:27:20 EST

Subj: TRANSLATION HELP, BITTE.

In <1dn6tjINNcie@manuel.anu.edu.au>bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
requests a translation of the passage below:

>   Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des
>   im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht
>   lebenden Judentums sein.


> I have two professional translations, namely:

> (a) Germany's only objective would then be solely the destruction
    of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the
    protection of British power.

> (b) Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region
    would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under
    British protection in Arab lands.

'dann lediglich' in my view translates to 'then merely',
rather than "thereafter" and "only remaining"

Translating (b) back into German would talk about the
Ausrottung der Juden ; rather than Vernichtung des Judentums.
It may amount to the same thing, but a strict translation favours
(a)

Personally I would prefer:

Germany's aim would then merely be the destruction of the Jewish
element living in the Arab sphere under British protection.

sounds cruel, but is a typical statement of the time.

I don't know the context in which this was written, but it might
be meant to reassure Arabs with something like: 'We don't want to
do anything to the Arabs, we merely want to get rid of the Jews'.

 ===================================================================
 Ernest Blaschke   Internet: ernest.blaschke@canrem.com
 Toronto, CANADA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Deutsche sucht Deutsche(n)
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:31:14 GMT

Hello, is anybody out there?
 
I am a native German living in the U.S (-for right now-).  I would like
to get in contact with people who are also living here (-at the moment-).
I am especially interested to talk people with children who are trying to raise
them bilingually - any tricks of the trade that you can share?
My spouse does not speak German and I am having a heck of a time trying
to stay motivated and forcing (it is forcing at this point) myself to
speak German with my daughter.
E-mail from people in a similar situation (I hope you solved the problem
somehow...) or just other people who are successful in keeping up their
German (how do you do it?) would be greatly appreciated.
In case you can't reach me by e-mail, I am listing my postal address.
 
By the way, how do you get e-mail to somebody, if your computersystem does
not recognize their address as a valid address.  The guys running our system
could not help me with the problem, either.
 
 
                                       Stephanie Edelmann
                                       BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU
 
Adress: 101 T.H.Morgan Bldg
        University of Kentucky
        Lexington, Ky 40506-0225
        USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mjoyce@cs.ulowell.edu (Michael Joyce)
Subject: Amerikanische Schuler suchen Kontakt mit Deutschen
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:04:33 GMT

Wir sind amerikanische Schueler in Massachusetts und wir moechten mit Deutschen
"live" korrespondieren. Wir haben zwei Austauschschulen, eine in Niedersachsen
in Northeim und eine in Bayern in Untergriesbach. Ideal waere es, mit
jemandem aus der Gegend zu sprechen, aber muss nicht sein. Wir haben Interesse
an alles und moechten gern ueber Politik, das Leben in Deutschland, Schulen,
Familienleben, Alkohol, Musik, und und und sprechen. Es ist nur wichtig, dass
wir regelmaessig mit Ihnen sprechen koennen. Bitte schreiben Sie uns, wenn Sie
Lust haben. Wir sind nett und lustig und wir bekommen auch Noten dafuer!

Auf Wiedersehen

Fleissige Schueler von Westford Academy
From: tittelbach@skyfox.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: RE: marx-engels platz
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:30:16 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan



> Das Ding heisst schon "Hackescher Markt".

Nicht ganz, der Hackesche Markt ist was anderes als der Marx-Engels-Platz
und von jenem in etwa 5 - 10 Minuten zu Fuss zu erreichen.
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re:CONVERSION US & INTERN'L VIDEOTAPES
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:40:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov10.194017.16962
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity

Hi,
 
Because of sevral e-mailrequests, I am posting again this message here for the
benefit of others who might need such service.

There is a service in Raleigh, NC where video conversion from any country format
to any format can be made (VHS, VHS-C and 8 mm types of cassettes).
This will allow playback of videotapes made overseas, here on U.S. TV's and VCR's
(NTSC System). The service will also convert the other way around, from
U.S. system to any of the systems used anywhere else in the world (PAL,
SECAM, etc..) 
 
Mailing Address:  INTERNATIONAL VIDEO CONVERSION
                  520 Harvest Lane
                  Raleigh, NC 27606-2217
 
Phone:            (919) 233-8689
 
Fees:             $20.00 + $5.00 S&H 
                  (Price of a High Grade Cassette Included, 2hrs or less)

Delivery:         Mailed back the next day, express shipping at request. 
 
Payment: 	  Cheque, Cash or Money Order mailed with tape.


Regards,
Hechmi.
From: lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:31:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Test PLease ignore

In article <1992Nov10.132958.27017@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.011952.13892@acuson.com> salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons) writes:
>>I plan on traveling to German, Austria, and Switzerland next summer.
>>
>>Friends have told me that one can use their
>>ATM cards from American Banks and withdraw money throughout 
>>England and perhaps other parts of Western Europe.  
>>
>>Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?
>>Do most German banks have ATM machines?
>>How does the currency exchange work with this?
> 
> Recently I went to Germany, Austria and Switzerland for two weeks.
> There were a lot of banks with ATM machines but none of the ones
> I saw had any "Plus System" type logos on them. I doubt that
> US ATM card would work there. I have withdrawn money in Canada,
> however. They convert the among back to US$ and debit your account.

If I rent a car in Europe, can I use my BP Oil card to buy gas at BP stations
abroad?  I never tried this (always used cash), but I wonder if the cards
are more or less universal?

Ed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: Internet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:41:34 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <kiszczuk.63.721307680@bwl.th-darmstadt.de>, kiszczuk@bwl.th-darmstadt.de (Orest Kiszczuk  Hiwi BWL2) writes:

  [... ueber email-Zugang fuer Studenten ...]

> Bei uns darf angeblich jeder, der will

Aber erst seit ein paar Wochen...

Zum Hintergrund: Email an der TH Darmstadt konnten bis vor kurzem nur
diejenigen Studenten machen, die irgendwo eine persoenliche Userid
hatten. Die bekam man nicht einfach so, sondern nur, wenn man ein
Praktikum oder eine Semester/Studien/Diplom-Arbeit mit
Rechnerbenutzung machte. Ach ja, oder wenn man einen Hiwi-Job hatte,
der irgendwas mit Rechnern zu tun hat. I.allg. wurden diese UserIds
von Fachbereichen bzw. Instituten verteilt, nicht vom
Hochschulrechenzentrum (HRZ).
    Es muss dabei betont werden, dass das nicht unbedingt schlechter
Wille war -- es waren (und sind) einfach nicht genug Kapazitaeten
(lies: Arbeitsplaetze, Plattenspeicherplatz, Rechenzeit) da, alle
(>16000) Studenten zu `verarzten'. Im Grunde genommen ist dieses
Nicht-Vorhandensein der Kapazitaeten eine Sauerei; als Technische
Hochschule muesste man den Studenten mehr anbieten koennen.

Vor kurzem hat sich das HRZ dazu entschlossen, allen Studenten auf
Antrag eine Mail-Id zu verschaffen. Der Zugang geht ueber PCs.

--
Joachim

Disclaimer: Ich bin wiss. Mitarbeiter am FB Informatik der TH
Darmstadt und gebe hier Informationen weiter, die ich von anderen
Mitarbeitern (aus den Rechenzentren) erhalten habe. Diese koennen
aber von mir falsch rekapituliert worden sein. Insbesondere habe ich
mit der Rechnerorganisation und der User/Mail-Id-Vergabe an der TH
Darmstadt oder auch dort am FB Informatik nichts zu tun.

PS: Darmstaedter Studenten sollten jetzt nicht bei mir anrufen und mir
auch keine Mail schicken, wo man eine solche Mail-Id herbekommt. Ins
letzte THD-intern sehen...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: kiszczuk@bwl.th-darmstadt.de (Orest Kiszczuk  Hiwi BWL2)
Subject: Re: Eisgekuehlter Bommerlunder
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:21:35 GMT
Organization: Betriebswirtschaftslehre, TH Darmstadt
Keywords: german, Toten Hosen, bestiality

In article <1992Nov6.121116.17250@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> M.Griesser@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Michael Griesser) writes:
>From: M.Griesser@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Michael Griesser)
>Subject: Re: Eisgekuehlter Bommerlunder
>Keywords: german, Toten Hosen, bestiality
>Date: 6 Nov 92 12:11:16 GMT

>In article <1dcifsINNk34@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, 
>schultrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard J Schultz) writes:
>|> Weiss einer von Euch zufaellig, ob es wirklich so'n Getraenk gibt, was  
>|> "Bommerlunder" heisst?  (Fuer diejenigen, die es nicht wissen, kommt es in  

>Gibt es in der Tat. Ist ein klarer Schnaps, wahrscheinlich Korn, 
>und kommt - wenn ich mich recht erinnere - in einer schlanken
>Flasche aus Steingut oder irgend so was daher.

Nix da, kommt in einer Glasklaren Flasche, ist ein Kuemmel und tritt
in Norddeutschland haeufiger auf als im Sueden.

Orest (Internet: kiszczuk@bwl.bwl.th-darmstadt.de)
                          ^^^^^

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dvdyke60@ursa.calvin.edu (David Van Dyke)
Subject: Studying for the Summer
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:57:10 GMT

I hope to be coming to Germany for the summer to study.  I was there once 
before and saw almost all of the north, but little of the south.  The hills
in Thueringen where fascinating, and Oberstdorf was incredible in January.
I want to spend two months studying at a Goethe Institute somewhere in the 
south, but I don't want the city to be huge (like Munich) or really small.  
I'm not saying that either kind of city is bad, it's just that I liked the 
medium ones like Wittenberg and Husum the best.

Also, is there any way I can avoid learning the southern dialect, because I 
speak bad enough as it is.

One more thing.  In my lit class, we just finished reading Die neuen Leiden
des jungen W.  I thought it was hilarious, and I would like to have some other
opinions on this interesting book.  Did anyone read the original by Goethe 
first?  Did it make it any funnier?

D-Man
From: thomas@eng.clemson.edu (Thomas Stephen, Vistor in Chem Eng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Erlanger Baby (an dirk und martin)
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: thomas@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.

So, So.
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: marx-engels platz
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:15:40 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <wegner.721559665@gmd.de> wegner@gmd.de (Eberhard Wegner) writes:

>Das Ding heisst schon "Hackescher Markt".
>Das ist nicht gegen Marx oder Engels gerichtet, denn schon im alten
>"Berlin (West)" gab es eine Karl-Marx-Allee. EW

Nein, Marx-Engels Platz heisst immer noch so.  S-Bahnhof Marx-Engels
Platz heisst jetzt Hackescher Markt.  Der Name ist viel logischer,
weil der Bahnhof sehr weit weg von Marx-Engels Platz ist.

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: World War II: Discussions!!!
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:05:44 GMT

delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:



>  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu. Any topic of discussion relative to World War II
>  is fine with me. Thank You! :)

You might want to try sci.military for that.
fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
From: rschoen@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Subject: Re: Bandeskunzler
Reply-To: rschoen@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:39:45 GMT

In article <4grcp0t@Unify.Com>, veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
|> In article <1dd6tdINNlta@uranium.sto.pdb.sni.de>, Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de> writes:
|> > 
|> > So, wie ich ihn einschaetze und wie sein Verhaeltnis zu unsem
|> > Bandeskunzler ist, teile ich Deine Zweifel. Gott sei Dank!
|>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   I like this one a lot!  Warum nicht zur Abwechslung einmal etwas
|>   Spass haben und uns ueber die schoensten Namen fuer unseren Kohl 
|>   amuesieren.
|>   Wer kennt noch bessere?

"Bundeskohl" und "Bundeshelmut" sind ja auch nicht mehr ganz neu ..
und in irgendeinem Mickymausheft (doch, ehrlich!) gingen Donald und
Neffen an einem "wahlkaempfenden" Moechtegernpolitiker vorbei -
sein Name war Dr. Helmut K. Hohl !

Irgendein Satiriker hat voer einiger Zeit einen neuen Namen fuer
die "Neuen Bundeslaender" vorgeschlagen: "Die Kohlonien"

Reinhard
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:28:58 -0500 
From: Thomas Richardson <tr2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Yehudi Menuhin...

Any reactions to the following:
(I am not seeking a flame war, I was pretty shocked to read this, and am
curious to know others thoughts on the matter.)

10 November 1992

	BERLIN (UPI) -- World acclaimed violinist Sir Yehudi Menuhin Tuesday
called for German neo-Nazis to be whipped.
	``About these neo-Nazis, I believe these people must feel a strong
response... I have nothing against their receiving 40 lashes of a whip,''
Menuhin said in an interview with Berlin's Tagespiegel daily.
	``These kids want to show strength, let them feel strength -- that
would be 40 lashes on the back or the behind,'' he said.
	Menuhin, 76 said the neo-Nazis participating in a wave of xenophobic
and anti-Semitic violence in Germany were ``cowards.''
	Unlike Latin races, Germans have a tendency to ``keep too much
inside,'' Menuhin said, adding that ``when it comes out it often does so
in an uncomfortable manner.''
	``When a German is unhappy or frustrated, there is not much of a
margin between impatience and rage,'' he said.
	The world-famous violinist was visiting Berlin, where he delivered an
address Sunday at the Renaissance Theater.
From: vjd@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Vinod Doddamani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Demonstration in Berlin Sun 8 Nov 92
Summary: further questions
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:07:58 GMT

From vn Mon Nov  9 02:33:18 1992
Subject: Re: Demonstration in Berlin Sun 8 Nov 92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german

In article <1992Nov9.053145.9829@umr.edu>, by dhey@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann) writes:
> In article <3OP82IL@netmbx.netmbx.de> sanio@netmbx.netmbx.de (Erhard Sanio) writes:
>>The demonstration was called for by nearly the whole of the political life
>>of the Federal Republic: 
>>President Richard v. Weizsaecker had issued the call for the demonstration,
>>and all political parties except the ultra-conservative Bavarian CSU and
>>several right wing and Neonazi parties supported it, as well as all German
>>state governments except the Bavarian, churches, trade unions and lots
>>of cultural organizations. 100,000 people were expected to come.
> 
> Thanks for your detailed report, Erhard. The reports here in the US-media
> as well as on Deutsche Welle left unclear, whether the rallye was also 
> endorsed by Greens and PDS. Could somebody clarify on this, please ?
> 
> Dirk

Also, who were the "saboteurs" who pelted eggs and tomatoes? Were they
from the ultra-left (Autonomen, etc.), or were they the same right-wing
thugs who sabotage a "Kiez-Demo"(Neighbourhood Demonstration) from
within by smashing windows, etc., to discredit the demonstration.
It was totally unjustifiable, given that although President Von
Weizsaecker, like all politicians, may have his faults, he is the only
major politician to have taken such a courageous stand against the vio-
lence, visting Asylantenheime last year, and breaking with his party on
the issue. Could you also elaborate on whether there were more "Ossies",
"Wessies", or whether both were represented in substantial numbers?
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:31:15 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.23.70


In the course of some research into Middle East history, I need
to interpret the following sentence from German Foreign Ministry
archives (1941):

    Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des 
    im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht 
    lebenden Judentums sein.

I have two professional translations, namely:

(a) Germany's only objective would then be solely the destruction 
    of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the
    protection of British power.
(b) Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region 
    would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under
    British protection in Arab lands.

My knowledge of German is insufficient to choose between "destruction 
of the Jewish element" and "annihilation of the Jews", even though
those phrases could perhaps have substantially different meaning.

Therefore, my question is: How would a reasonable person in 1941
WITHOUT BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT have translated that sentence?

I am not interested in any discussion on the subject matter in
this group, I just need some advice on the German language.

Vielen Dank!

Brendan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: Erlanger Baby (was 'diverses')
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:41:39 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <1992Nov11.214402.22045@math.utexas.edu>, heinz@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz) writes:
> dhey@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann) writes:
> 
> >In article <psima01.721478591@convex> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
> >>Die Gruenen haben eine 7000-Unterschriften-Liste , die sich gegen
> >>das "Erlanger Baby" richten (d.h. abschalten)
> 
> >Finde ich ganz schoen menschenverachtend von den Gruenen und den 7000
> >Unterzeichnern, dem Erlanger Baby das Recht abzusprechen, geboren zu
> >werden.
> 
> Aber Dirk - die Entscheidung wurde von einer staatlichen Institution
> getroffen!!!

Von welcher?

[Polemik ueber die Gruenen geloescht. Ich moechte die Antwort auf
meine Frage wissen. Bitte mit Quellenangabe. -- Die ZEIT berichtete
uebrigens in einem Dossier anderes.]

--
Joachim
From: ros@rossi.han.de (Alexander Rossner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Organization: private site
Subject: Re: Violence updates: it's now up to the others
	<1992Nov07.223951.9197@tpki.toppoint.de>
	<1992Nov8.170809.8965@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov9.134634.5404@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
	<1992Nov9.161500.21736@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Reply-To: ros@rossi.han.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 23:16:30 MET

In <1992Nov9.161500.21736@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, Edmund Grimley-Evans writes:
>|> >Alles hat seine gute Seite, sogar Nationalsozialismus. Ich finde es erstaunlich,
>|> >dass 68% der Bevoelkerung diese uninteressante Tatsache nicht verstehen.
>|> Ich gehoere zu den 68% der Bevoelkerung, die am Nationalsozialismus nicht
>|> eine einzige gute Seite sehen. Daher bitte ich Dich, Edmund, einmal darzu-
>|> stellen, welche guten Seiten Du am Nationalsozialismus siehst.
>
>
>Ich gebe zu, dass der Durchschnittsmensch
>nicht logisch denken kann, aber trotzdem muesste man Fragen stellen, die
>logisch sinnvoll sind. (Ich glaube, dass nur eine kleine Minderheit der
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Bevoelkerung den Unterschied zwischen "A impliziert B" und "B impliziert A"
>verstehen; der Rest der Bevoelkerung kann also kaum denkfaehing sein.)
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oeha, darueber wuerde ich aber nochmal nachdenken, sonst koennte noch 
irgendwer auf die Idee kommen, dass alle, die nicht Haekeln koennen 
koerperbehindert sind.  


>Es gibt wirklich viel zu viele Leute, die ungefaehr
>so denken:
>
>X ist schlecht.
>
>Y erinnert mich an X oder ist irgendwie mit X verwandt.
>
>Ergo: Y ist schlecht.
>

Da kann ich dir nur zustimmen - es gibt genuegend Beispiele auch von Personen
hier im Netz (Beispiele auf Anfrage), die diesem Schwarz-Weiss Denken verfallen
sind. Trotzdem wuerde ich diesen auch nur z.T. die Denkfaehigkeit absprechen,
manchmal hat man den Eindruck, dass da die Denkstrukturen noch nicht zu sehr
verkrustet sind.


-- 
        Alexander Rossner                      ros@rossi.han.de   

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