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From: v079l2xj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK B KRUZYNSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo??  Philly??  Nope!!!
Keywords: Buffalo, Philly, suck, choke
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep24.160725.2350@coe.montana.edu>, icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes...
>In article <Bv25ru.CMy@acsu.buffalo.edu> v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (The Fierce...CROCO-STIMPY!) writes:
> 
>>>Bills--Sure, they have Kelly, Thomas, and Reed, as well as decent line play on
>>>both sides of the ball, but that's all they have.  They don't have depth at RB
>>>(Kenneth Davis, ex-Packer--get real), WR (After Lofton, Reed, and Bebee what's
>>>left), and their kicker still sucks.  I hear you Bills fans say, "Wait till
>>>Emmitt Smith gets hurt..." etc., etc.  What happens if Kelly or Thomas get hurt?
>>>The Bills are in deep shit without a shovel.
>>
>>Ok, so have you *watched* Kenny Davis?  The man could start anywhere else.
> 
>I am sure that Dallas and Detroit are on the phone right now trying to 
>pick this guy up at any expense...
> 
>>					---Chet Zeshonski
>Chet, did you stop to think that maybe Davis starting anywhere else is 
>a little out of bounds...He SURE as hell is no Barry Sanders or Emmit Smith,
>why don't you get a clue?
> 
Why dont you get a clue.  Oh wow, saying that Kenneth Davis isn't in a league
with Smith and Sanders (and of course you NFC is God People forget Thomas), but
that is only 3 teams out of the whole league.  Big deal, so he could start for
25 other teams.

Mark K.
From: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers cut Billups
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:23:59 GMT
Reply-To: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California


  I read in the paper this morning that the Packers cut Lewis Billups.
Does this mean that Buckley is ready to start? 
  
Mark Nass
From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 0-4
Keywords: 0-4
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:20:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Raiders------0 and 4---------


OUCH............................................................


(Hang in there)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins)
Subject: WHAT DID I SAY....EAGLES 16-0 (SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:56:22 GMT


hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!(oops forgot the caps lock)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
WHAT DID I SAY YOU NO GOOD COWPUSSIES FANS.... I DONT HEAR YOU STUPID
IGNORANT TEXANS NOW....... SOMEONE GET MY PREDICTIONS OUT AND LETS TAKE A
LOOK AT THEM I TOLD YOU WE WOULD THRASH THE COWPUSSIES
THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION LEFT IN ANYONES MIND WHO IS THE BEST TEAM
IN THE LEAGUE THE MIGHTY EAGLES..!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU COWPUSSIE FANS CAN WIPE YOUR EYES AND SPEAK TO DEFEND YOURSELF
PLEASE TRY...........I PREDICTED     EAGLES 42
                                     COWPUSSIES 3
                                PRETTY DAMN CLOSE TO ME (CLOSER THAN ANYONE
                                                         ON THE NET)





                    EAGLES 16-0
                    SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

JULIUS,BARKLEY,HAWKINS,BOL,CUNNINGHAM,MCMHAON,WHITE,BYERS,BARNETT,WALKER,
ROSE,DYKSTRA,CARLTON,BUDDY RYAN.......
                                    RULE THE SPORTS WORLD



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Stop Thief (Was: EAGLES WILL WIN THE BIG ONE
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 17:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.153659.14157@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes:
|> 
|> OK HERE ARE THE STATS FOR THE UPCOMING MONDAY NIGHT GAME:(THESE NEED TO BE
|>                                                           CHECKED AFTER THE
|>                                                           GAME)
|> 
|>                             EAGLES 42
|>                             COWPUSSIES 3
|> 
...<speculative statistics removed>...
|> 
|> 
|> THATS ALL TO SAY , SAVE THIS REPORT AND CHECK IT AFTER THE GAME (YOULL BE
|> AMAZED BY THE PREDICTIONS I HAVE MADE)
|> 
|> BARKLEY,ERVING,RANDALL,BARNETT,BOL        RULE THE ATHLETIC WORLD!!!!!!




or not.

Alternate timeline... 

Mr. Perkins is escorted to an institution where he rests 
peacefully under heavy sedation as the Cowboys steal one
from the Eagles. All the while muttering something about
"the horror, the horror."

------------------
Enjoy the game.

-- 
Cary W Reams | "...truth demands to be declared, even if it is
NT/BNR/MTXVO | ugly and unethical."                - Nietzsche 
---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR. 
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From: haverdin@cs.iastate.edu (Mike Haverdink)
Subject: What happened to the Bengal Offense?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:47:57 GMT

It's tough being a Bengal fan these days, especially when your friends are
Packer and Viking fans.  I remember the days when the Bengal offense was
one of the best in football.  What happened?

Is it the offensive line?  I know they lost Montoya, but I thought they 
still had a good nucleus left (led by Munoz, of course).

Is it the receivers?  I realize that Eddie Brown is out (for the season?),
but I would have thought that McGee and Rembert would be adequate.  How does
Pickens look?  Is he worth the high draft choice?

Is it Boomer?  His numbers this year are _pathetic_ (something like 97 yards
on Sunday).  Is he afraid to throw the ball downfield or what?  I have been
a Boomer fan for most of his career (OK, until the underwear commercials :-),
but I am starting to think that he has completely lost it.  Does anybody
else out there agree (besides the "Boomer *sucks*" guy that has already
posted).  Suddenly the Klinger draft pick doesn't seem so bad...

Is the play calling too conservative?  I realize that the Bengals are (were?)
running the ball well, but if you can't throw the ball, I would think that
defenses would start to stuff the run.  This information is hard to come
by since the Bengals games are never televised in Iowa.

I was starting to think the defense was improving until the Vikings decimated
it.  Apparently the defensive line has improved, but the secondary looks 
pretty bad.  Maybe if they stay healthy they'll be better. 

In the past (before 1991 :-), the Bengals could at least outscore opponents 
when the defense was bad, but now I'm starting to worry.

I'm pretty starved for Bengal news out here in Iowa.  Any discussion will be
appreciated.

--Mike
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:14:15 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Oct3.000746.28843@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> (Michael P. Colburn)
writes:
>
>  Well, I don't have my NFL stat book handy, but surely every Giant fan
>(and probably most Bronco fans) remember Phil Simms' monster
>performance in the '86 Superbowl.  If memory serves me right, he
>completed all but 3 passes out of 25 attempts for nearly 300 yards! 

He was 22 of 25 for 268 yards with 3 TDs and 0 Ints. I don't have the his
rating for the SB, but in post-season (3 games) in 1986-87, Simms had a rating
of 131.8.

> Go Gia's!!!

(Sigh) Maybe next year...
---
         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology          ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine    ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: John Elway's Comebacks.
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:16:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21000
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

After seeing yet another comeback by Elway against the Chiefs
at Mile-High, I have a question.

Has Elway's Comeback victims ever included any strong NFC teams
or is it that Elway has succeeded only againt the AFC in his
comebacks. If he is indeed a great QB, then why has he not
comeback against the NFC teams in the Super-Bowl.

I bet that Elway is just an average QB.

S.H
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:32:49 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<Yelc5xG00VB107r1cq@andrew.cmu.edu> ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte) :
>All this blabbering about NFC vs. AFC is irrelevant and boring.  Dallas
>has won three games against fairly weak competition,

The last two SB champions and Phoenix.  Yup, pretty wimpy.  Uh, huh.

...
>Bruce Smith.  They cleaned house against both Indianapolis and New
>England, but that doesn't say an awful lot.  What does say a little more
>are the scores:  38-0 and 41-7.  Allowing just one touchdown in two
>games is good, regardless of what the teams are.  Any team in the league
>can score a TD or two, or at least a couple of field goals against any
>team.  The fact that they haven't indicates the effectiveness of the
>Bills defense and the relatively small number of turnovers the offense
>has committed.  

I guess you rank them right up there with the Rams who pitched a shut out
a week ago. :-)

>As for the petty NFC arguments going on, saying who beat who last year
>is unimportant.  

It sure is, especially when you aren't arguing from the positive end of
the score.

>                 There are always upsets and there are always blowouts. 
>Anybody who's really into these arguments, please go post somewhere else.

Where else would be appropriate?  I wish people would learn how to use
their newsreaders instead of trying to make everyone talk about only what
*they* want them to talk about.  Learn how to 'kill' a subject, or
perhaps search for topics that interest *you*.  Stop telling everyone else
where they can post and what they should be discussing.

But, I pretty much agree with your deleted presentation of match-ups.  
Except for your SB picks. ;-)


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Vikings vs Bears
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:55:29 GMT

Let me be the first one to post
Minnesota has just pulled off the greatest comeback in
franchise history!!!!!
Down 20-0 in the 4th quarter, they come back to win
21-20.

Before the game, Ditka said on the radio,  "I don't think
the Vikings play very well when they are behind"...

YES!!!!!!!

-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mw@col.hp.com (Mike Waughn)
Subject: Re: Question for Lion's experts
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:14:44 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis) writes:
> 
> Why don't the Lions use Mel Gray in the offense and not just the special teams?
> He seems like such a dangerous open field runner that you would think he could
> do serious damage, especially when 8 to 11 people on the other side of the ball
> are watching Barrys every move.
> 
> I wish they would line Mel up in the slot position in some 3 or 4 WR sets.
> Then they could run a play action fake to Barry and throw a swing pass out
> to Mel. Or have Mel go in motion and hand it off or pitch it to him on an 
> end-around. Or do a double play-action (one to Barry up the middle, one to
> Mel on the sweep) and then have lots of time to throw the ball downfield.
> 

Mel Gray has in the past lined up in the slot at WR.  His only problem is that
he is not very good at running pass routes.  He played in the slot in the
preseason, and some last year (I know he played in the slot in the Miami
game).  Last year, Dave Levy, former offensive coordinator, was saying that
he needed to work Mel more into the offense.

I wonder if the Lions have ever considered him as a backup to Barry Sanders?
He played RB at Purdue, and in the USFL.  I think that he could be a very 
dangerous 3rd down back (e.g. Dave Meggett, Ronnie Harmon, Eric Metcalf).
What do other people think?

> There just seem like so many more possibilities to open up the offense and  
> stop everyone on the defense from keying on Barry.
> 

Let's hope that the offense opens up soon, it's already an uphill struggle in
our division.  Hopefully, going back to the spread offense will help the
Lions.  Maybe this will keep one of the Saints linebackers off the field.

> Anyone have any comments?
> 
> chip
>  

Does anyone know anymore about this injury to Rodney Peete?  Is Erik Kramer
going to be starting now?

Also, I saw in the paper that the Lions have released D.J. Dozier, like it 
mattered.


Mike Waughn
Go Lions!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Re: STEELERS ARE OVERRATED!
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 SEP 92 22:34:15 GMT

Well, with the relative lack of publicity that the Steelers gett when they
do win, I'd say calling them "overrated" is almost an oxymoron.

I saw the review of the game posted (thanks to the Packer fan), but I was
very surprised by the stats in my paper. O'Donnell had 41 attempted passes??
Why the heck was he throwing so much if Foster was having such a good day
(12 carries for 117 yards)? I realize Foster's numbers may have resulted from
one or two big gainers, but 41 attempts is an awful lot for this offense.

Pittsburgh outgained GB in both passing and rushing, and only turned the ball
over once (a fumble). But the Packers had the ball almost twice as long, and
I assume that Sharpe's 2 receptions for 93 yards had alot to do with the
result. The teams were about even in penalties. 

GB may be a much better team with Favre, but the Steelers might have been 
a bit overconfident. With an extra week to consider the loss, hopefully
they'll come back even tough.

Bart
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Question
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:25:55 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep29.123440.6562@dg-rtp.dg.com> zayas@satchmo.rtp.dg.com (Mike Zayas) writes:
>In article <5613@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>|> 
>|> What was Tampa Bay's initial losing streak when they came into the league,
>|> and what was the first team that they managed to beat?
>|> 
>
>They lost their entire inaugural season (0-14), and the first 12 games of
>their 2nd season. That makes their debut a 26 game losing streak before they
>beat the St. Louis Cards, and followed that with a win over the Saints.
>

I'm pretty sure you got that in reverse. They beat the Saints and then the
Cardinals if I remember correctly.

It was awhile ago, but I'm fairly certain the Cards were the second victim
and not the first.





Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"How can those guys not know Superman is Clark Kent? I mean they're supposed
to be reporters".

                                           Selby on "Mad About You"
********************************************************************************
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Mark Clayton
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:45:55 GMT

In article <Bv227J.B3z@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
writes...
In article <6675@transfer.stratus.com>, gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes...
>> 
>>Does anyone have any news on Mark Clayton?  When is he coming back?  How
>>serious is his injury? etc.

>According to the Dolphins, Clayton will be back before the Bills game.
>In a Buffalo newspaper Clayton was quoted as saying that he has a point
>to make come the Buffalo game. Supposedly Clayton is looking for his
>contract to be renogotiated for 2 mil a year. The dolphin administration
>however has not made any move to do so. And according to Clayton he 
>says he wants to prove to the franchise how good he really is. 

>He gets his first chance against the Bills next week so mark your calender
>Clayton's Back in what will be the probably be the battle of the unbeatens.
>October 4.
 
>    * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    

I really wish Mark Clayton would learn to keep his BIG F*$#^&@G mouth shut. Like the
Jills don't have enough incentive to beat the snot out of my Dolphins. Mark has to
come up up with some idiotic stupid a*&%$@e comment to light a fire under the Jills
butts. I remember last year before the pathetic Jets game Clayton goes and guarantees
a victory over the Jets and what happens? The lowly mediocre Jets beat a superior
team and went to the playoffs where the were summarily executed. I wish that someone
like Louis Oliver would cream the living s&*t out of Clayton in practice and tell him
that it's for his comments before an important game. And to intimate to him that if he
continues to make such statements he will continue to receive this type of treatment.

Until I heard this foolishness coming from Clayton I thought that the Dolphins had a
chance against the Jills this week. Now, forget it. We'll be lucky to stay within 30
points. Shula needs to learn to keep duct tape over Claytons mouth during the week.


Disgustedly,
John T.


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you take yourself too seriously, you'll be the only one who does.

..John "Dolphinatic" Turman...
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Booing Rodney Peete was Stupidity!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:15:56 GMT

In article <92279.2343233ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
> 
>       At Sunday's Lions's v. Saints there were boos for Rodney Peete
> and calls for Kramer.  Such behavior shows such immaturity in knowledge
> of football.  Not that I'm an expert, far from it, but the *performance*
> of Peete was not Peete's fault.  When you have the best running back in
> the game looking less than mediocore, you have to know that something is
> drastically wrong.  No one, much less Kramer, could have avoided the NO
> pass rush.  The offensive line has been devastated.  There is no blocking.
> Looking at Philadelphia, I see that Rodney has skills similar, though not
> as sharp, to those of Randall Cunningham.  He needs time, like Barry needs
> seams.
>       The calls for Kramer were ludicrous.  Kramer, though a very good QB,
> does not have the mobility of Peete.  There is something -- at the least
> the offensive line -- wrong the Detroit offense.  It could be the offensive
> schemes.  I don't know about Henning, except that he has been fired as a
> head coach at least once.  The fact that Barry, the best back in football,
> is averaging about 3 yards is indicative of something.
>       The boos of Rodney, the calls for Kramer showed a lack of understanding
> of what is happening.  Also, a lack of class on the part of Lions fans.
> 
> Go Rodney!!!!!!!
> Robert Newby                        Internet: 3zasib3@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu


Good points. 

I saw the whole NO-Det game [had a wager on the Saints]. And what
happened was not all Peete's fault. Kramer in his place would have
been sacked more times, taken more shots, and maybe got injured. 
Peete's mobility helped him immensely, and still the Saints harassed
him all day long. They have some big O Line problems and unless they
address that first, they are not going anywhere. 

I saw Peete play several times at USC, and he has always impressed
me. I remember that day of the draft when he was almost shattered
at not being picked on the first day. Ever since, he seemed to want
to show the NFL bosses how good he can be. 










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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Buffalo??  Philly??  Nope!!!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 28 SEP 92 10:21:27    

In article <Bv9rJ9.CDE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079l2xj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK B KRUZYNSKI) writes...

>Why dont you get a clue.  Oh wow, saying that Kenneth Davis isn't in a league
>with Smith and Sanders (and of course you NFC is God People forget Thomas), but
>that is only 3 teams out of the whole league.  Big deal, so he could start for
>25 other teams.

Oh, come on now.  He was already cut by the Packers - a mistake no 
doubt but he's not *that* good.  4th best in the NFL?  Be serious.
And yes, I have seen him play.  So has everyone else - the Bills are 
on national TV lots.

JGH
From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules Question??
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:11:22 GMT
Distribution: world

In article <lcektrINNrtc@west.west.sun.com>, kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM (Kevin Janssen SUN Phoenix CSD 602-275-5537 x36) writes:
> 
> Rules Question regarding blocked punts and muffed punt receptions.  When
> a punt is blocked and the punting team recovers the ball the ball belongs
> to the receiving team Why?  I don't have a rules book, but it seems that 
> blocking a punt is trying to catch the ball on the way up and would be 
> considered a muff if not done succesfully!! 
>  

Well the reason is is that it's 4th down so it would be turned over on downs.
Now as to why a blocked punt isn't the same as a muffed punt, I'd guess there's
a rule on the actual change of possession.  Like when the ball reaches the 
top of the kick and starts to descend then the possesion changes.  Thus if
the ball is blocked before it starts to descend then it is still 4th down
for the kicking team.  Make sense?  I think it does, hell I don't know, but it
sounded good... =)

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