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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:55:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.052349.10442@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

|> Ah, but at least you guys get all the Amiga periodicals while they're
|> still current. Do you think that you can find a copy of the February issue
|> of Amiga Computing anywhere in Iowa? :).

Of course not! Otherwise, Marc Barret would actually have to get a clue and
not be as hopelessly stupid as he presently is...

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From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDating forum
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:36:42 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
Distribution: world
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In article <Paula_Lieberman.07vy@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>In a message dated Fri 16 Jan 93 14:48, Tam@furry.lonestar.org (todd A. Mur
>wrote:
>
>> -the ticket to understanding us involves things like this dialogue.  
>
> TAM> -- 
> TAM> Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org
> TAM> "I want to decide who lives and who dies." -- Crow from MST3K
>    
>May all his computers develop read/write errors on his boot disk's boot
>blocks, maybe computer viruses corrupt all his data, and may he fall madly
>in love with Marc Barrett......
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh come now how could you say succh a thing? I would not wish such a
heinous fait on my worst enemy :-)

>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>


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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:33:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.233222.10922@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>BTW, if 15 million people use the slash and 100 million people use the
>backslash, isn't the slash the one that's retarted?  [Ducking]  :-)

How many unix (and varients) users are there?  ONLY 11 million?  ( - 4 mil
for Amiga users.)  :)

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |


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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:09:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <jprad.727647604@faatcrl> <1993Jan22.195203.11707@oracle.us.oracle.com>
  <C1C3KB.Dy7@cs.mcgill.ca>

>>The Compaq keyboard on my DeskPro 50M (486) machine has the "\" right above
>>the CR key.  This sucks BIG TIME, as I often miss the key and hit the return.
>>Bad things happen from that point :(
>
>Arrrr!  I'm glad somebody else has this complaint too.  Of the two machines
>that I had on my desk last summer, I liked the layout and feel of the
>Northgate keyboard far better than that on the Deskpro 386/33.  One of the

I haven't used a Compaq in years, but I diskliked their keyboards the most.
Form the mushy feel of the keys to the bizarre location of the slash...hard
to believe how popular Compaq became with that keyboard.

Now IBM PS/2's.  Say what you want about IBM, but they know how to do keyboards
.

The Amiga 4000, surprisingly, is a darned fined keyboard as well. Good stiff
feel, but not real loud, which is nice at home.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:43:00 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1993Jan20.221523.7781@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Does the Amiga CLI have 'move', as in moving files, directories wholly?

No, AmigaDos has no command of this kind but the "rename" command can be abused
to do just that. There is a move command in the Amiga PD though.

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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:19:15 GMT

In <1993Jan23.031744.17077@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>:    If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>: Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
>: Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>: the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>: and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
>: not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>: marketing one now.

>Shut up Marc.

 Heh!

 For once Marc makes a comment that absolutely agree with, and is quite
correct.  And all you can say is shut up?

 You better consider decaf in the mornings. :-)
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:28:36 GMT

In article <jprad.727807384@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  Wait a second here, you quoted from the AmigaDOS manual and you got the
>reserved characters wrong?  Jeez, Jason!

Yup, I was looking right at it when I typed it.  Section 7, page 9 (2.0):

	File and directory names can be up to 30 characters long
	and can contain . . . punctuation marks that do not have 
    	special meanings.  You cannot use [:, ;, *, /, ?, ', #,
        or %].

So if it was wrong, it was wrong in the manual.

>  -jack-

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dusek@cadsun.corp.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Software Research and Development, Rolling Meadows, IL. 60008
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:42:19 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>I see that facts aren't the only things you ignore, Peter.  You also seem
>to ignore all the Amigoid bashing of PC's and PC users that goes on here.

	Gee Jerry, last time I checked this was an Amiga newsgroup,
not an IBM newsgroup. So if you have any complaints about amiga people
bashing IBMs, stuff it where the sun don't shine. If Amiga people bash
the IBM in IBM newsgroups, than you can complain. Its awefully rude to
post into a computers newsgroup whining about the system/users of that
newsgroups.

>Really?  And the Amigoids who call PC users "sheep", "lemmings", "clowns",
>etc. -- this isn't insulting?  Wake up and smell the sh*t you're shoveling,
>man.

	Gee Jerry, this is an Amiga newsgroup, we can insult IBM lemmings all
we want here. Thats what this group is for.

>start reading me lectures.  The point is -- I always start by posting facts.

	And your "FACTS" aren't always true/acceptable solutions.

>You may choose to ignore them; it's your right.  But if you expect not to
>hear anything from me after you insult me and lie about my statements, you'd
>better put me in your kill file.

	If you don't like being insulted, why keep posting to this group?

James Dusek
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:39:57 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>From what I've seen in my experience, most of the time it's used, it's abused.

  Oh, so now you're the standard that should be referenced against?

  Thanks, I needed a good laugh today...

>:   Nice try.  It's scope is limited to the function that it appears in.  That
>: alone drops it down a notch or two from the abilities it's BASIC cousin can
>: do.

>That's irrelevant.  It's still possible (and all too easy) to use "goto" in
>EVERY place where structured code is appropriate.

  You CANNOT goto outside of the function, that severely limits it's scope,
and therefor the damage you can do to the overall structure of the program.

  -jack-
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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:31:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.224925.7694@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>:
>: My program was
>: pointless, because the argument was about 3.1, not 3.0.  However, the
>: underlying truth still exists--you still held your belief that Windows
>: 3.1 was independent of MS-DOS, and were wrong.
>:
>
>By your own admission, your experiment was inconclusive.  Now, you may say
>that you were right all you want, like a broken record, but you still
>haven't provided any proof.


But Andy HAS... You chose to ignore it.  You're a Bulls**tter, plain and
simple.

>: He makes a living off of the stuff you're arguing about.  If we were
>: in court, he'd probably be an expert witness, see the point?
>
>Andy makes a living off which stuff?  Creating Windows and OS/2 applications?
>Developing Windows and OS/2?  Funny, I don't see "microsoft.com" or "ibm.com"
>in his mail path.

No, I think you know what he's talking about, and I think you see a
relevence.  You're wrong and you won't admit it.  You know s**t and you
won't admit it.  

>: This goes back to that really cool statement someone made that
>: amounted to application programmers knowing better what goes and
>: should go into an OS than OS designers.
>
>#ifdef SARCASM
>Yeah right.  It's not like an OS should be designed with users and app
>developers in mind or anything.
>#endif
>
>: : No, I expect people to back up their claims with proof, especially on this
>: : newsgroup.
>:
>: Someday, maybe you'll take your own advice.  I do try, as do many
>: others, but you haven't cited a source other than prices from Computer
>: Shopper since you HIT this network, 'kay?
>
>Now you're really talking out of your backside, 'kay?  What sources have you
>quoted lately, Greg?

Deverting the question, eh?  again..WHAT sources have you posted?????


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:32:28 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1993Jan26.143733.8018@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.023707.3305@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>
>>But Unix _does_ have separate filesystems.  Because they're all mounted as
>>part of one directory structure, the user doesn't see "drive" boundaries.
>>But, some commands, like ln, only work within a filesystem, so the user is
>
>Wrong command to use unless you refer to hard links, and almost no-one
>uses those if they can help it :)  'ln' typically defaults to a soft link
>which is nothing more than a path substitution variable :)  It works
>transparently across devices.

I administer two types of Unix box - a 486 running SCO SVR3.2v2 and a couple
of Suns running SunOS 4.1.  SCO (v2) doesn't support soft links at all - it
was one of the features added for v4.  As for SunOS - ln defaults to hard
links; for soft links you must explicitly use ln -s.  Since a _lot_ of
Unix users use SunOS 4.1 and SCO Unix/Xenix, you shouldn't be talking about
"typical" behaviour.

>even 'mv' is smart enough these days to do a 'cp/rm' if you go across a
>drive boundary.

But it's not always smart enough to preserve link relationships in that case.

>>made aware of filesystem boundaries in some ways.  Those ways don't include
>
>Your average user need never be aware of the physical structure.

Except when they come up against "filesystem full"!


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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Ads (Was: Re: RISC Amiga?)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan21.035149.17976@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald) writes:
>
>when was the last time you saw an Apple television ad?  

(Talking from Germany:)  Can't remember any. The only TV ads around computers
during the last months -that I remember- were by Intel (486) and *Atari*.
Though, as I have a remote control, I don't watch many ads...

>A Commodore ad?  

Yes, on radio and in several magazines. On radio mostly for Amiga and aimed
mostly (but not only) at gaming kids, in magazines mostly for our PC products.

>A Commodore ad in a non-specialist computer publication?

Yes, as mentioned mainly for PC products, but there were also CDTV ads.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:40:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1k3t2dINNm4v
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan26.120934.18899@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: : : Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: : : : Obviously, people do think it exists.  Obviously, enough people think
: : : : that it exists that a great majority of society knows what it is, and
: : : : has formed some kind of an opinion on it.

: I'm saying that your typical eco-freak activist protestor type is probably
: going to be a liberal, for the simple fact that eco-freak type people want
: their _________ (insert cause here) protected, and what could protect it better
: than big gov't to create protective legislation?

Read very carefully what I wrote.

1) What I'm saying here is that a great majority of society knows about
the Greenhouse effect/Global Warming, and has formed an opinion, for or
against, about it.  That has nothing to do with your opinions of
"eco-freaks", nor do I care to hear them.

2) You blame "eco-freaks" for wanting protective legislation?  Who else
_IS_ there who can regulate such things on a nation-wide basis?  NOBODY.
The national governments of the world are our only solution to the
dilemma.

I guess I fit in as an eco-freak.  I certainly fit in as a leftist.
However, I know enough to know when I hear someone who doesn't know
enough about what he's talking about.  I know quite a bit about the
theories behind global warming, and I'm not dumb enough to say they're
not possible.  Obviously, you are.  I advise you look closer at the
issues these "eco-freaks" present--they are NOT "bullshit".  Many of them
lack clear evidence, but that is NOT a reason to write them off.  It's a
reason to look at these issues, look at the theories, and see for
yourself if they're POSSIBLE.

Global Warming is POSSIBLE.  However, there isn't any clear evidence
proving one way or the other.  Until there is, the issue is open, and no
amount of screaming protectionism is going to change that until there IS
clear evidence.

As Descartes said, better to, at least, hold judgement about things that
one doubts.

Greg

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Stupid Flame War [Was: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles]
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:09:26 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan22.174433.5118@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
 >John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance (lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
 >:
 >: You've been squirming
 >: around in your attempted "rebuttals" to Andy Finkel,
 >
 >It only seems that way to you because you happen to believe everything that
 >Andy says, and none of what I say.  

Please take another alternative into account: That a number of people here
on the net *know* that it is like Andy says, they don't need to believe
him! Yet they also have no reason yet to disbelief him.

 >If you had the desire to actually read
 >the articles that lead up to my current discussion with Andy, I believe that
 >you'd think otherwise.

No way. You lose.

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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Merlin graphics card?
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:43:06 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1jkgveINNkug@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jrb@jrb.larc.nasa.gov (James R. Burley II) writes:
>Merlin graphics card???  What is it.

Up to now it is an advertising in German Amiga mags from a company called X-Pert
only. It does everything from washing dishes to bringing your kids to school and
all this for virtually free. Not.

But fun aside it looks like hype and is basically (I guess) going to be a Tseng
Labs ET4000W32 based card also taking use of the video port feature of the
new ET4000 so that you can expand this monster to be frame grabbing too. As this
card is going to be Zorro-II and Zorro-III (the ad says so) I am really waiting
to see how much of the advertising hype turns into a real product.

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From: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:03:02 GMT
Reply-To: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan27.113851.14179@ifi.uio.no> stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig A. Olsen) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan27.042943.7257@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>> -fast full screen animation
>	The animation on my PC has not been any worse than on my amiga.
>	I think aaplay on .fli files is just as good as anims, if not
>	better.

You may not have seen animation on an AGA system; it's considerably better
than on earlier systems because of the improved flexibility of the display
modes one can use. I'm not very impressed with aaplay, although it's much
better than dlview for .dl files.

>The PC is better for vector and dungeon type games, the amiga is best
>for action/multiple playfield games like shoot-em-ups, platform etc. 

I find the dungeon (or strategy simulation) games to be about equivalent.
Unfortunately, too many of them are concentrating on the PC market.



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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:12:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu>, David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
: 	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm

Public transportation, actually.  Milwaukee has a relatively decent
bus system, though it's just a tad on the pricey side.  Anyways, this
is the "happiest medium" I've been able to live with.  I don't drive
personally.  Don't even have a license.  I've been able to survive
like this for all of my years in HS and now at the university.

: sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
: vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio

I generally don't.

: and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
: Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
: guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.

Or you'd get an automobile that can do BOTH.  It uses electricity for
short trips (An 8-hour drive in the city would drain the battery, and
you'd have to charge it for 8 more), and then gasoline (but it could
be converted to natural gas, safer and cheaper) for the "long haul".

The car I was just speaking of _EXISTS_.  It's why I mentioned it.  I
saw a report on it in some European show.

Greg

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