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From: pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith)
Subject: Re: Invisible fences
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:38:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.230821.894@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep4.214047.28067@linus.mitre.org> pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep1.110807.2267@inland.com>, walls@inland.com writes:
> >> 
> >> Hi, Netters!! I was wondering if someone could give me information on
> >> invisible fences. Are these safe?? Do they protect animals from wandering?
> >> Are they humane?? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> >> 
> >> 
> >I have one and it works most of the time.  I have a husky and they are
> >high tolerant dogs.  I have seen a doberman on the system and it never
> >wandered off.  The fence system is all radio waves.  The dog wears a receiver
> >and you have a transmitter in the garage or some protected area.  As the dog
> >approaches the wire (you can vary the distance), he/she will hear a tone and
> >if the dog keeps going, they get a shock.  Most dogs learn real quick
> >and do not challenge the system  Huskies and the nothern breeds sometimes
> >do challenge it as they learn if they tolerate the shock, they can run thru
> >it and be free!  
> >The system is a bit prone to lightening hits and they sell a lightening 
> >arrester which did not work at least one.  The house down the street took 
> >a hit and just the electricity in the ground was enough to blow up the
> >lightening arrestor and the transmitter.  I had fortunately unplugged the
> >unit from the AC.  Company replaced it all free of charge as they 
> >guarentee against such things.  
> >You need to keep fresh batteried inthe receiver and the winter tends to
> >cause problems as the temperature drops. Batteries tend not to perform in
> >the cold as we know about cars.  My dog knows physics and I can predict his
> >wandering off when the therometer dips below 10 degrees.  
> >I would recommend it - its cheaper than to fence in your entire yard and if
> >your dog digs, this solves that problem better than a physical fence.
> 
> One of the problems with "invisible fences" that seems never to get mentioned
> is that they do not keep other non-collared dogs out of your yard.  Other dogs
> can enter and cause fights, spread disease, or mate with your dog.  This may or
> may not be a problem for the original poster, but it is something to consider.
> 
> 
Good point.  I don't have that problem as I have a physical fence too.  If you
think that is overkill, let me tell you that this pooch still gets out on
us.  He loves to wander.  If anyone wants to know all the tricks he has tried
from chewing the wire to removing the collar, please email me directly 
pdsmith@mitre.org.  It could be quite amusing for you as it has been for us.

> 
> -- 
> ============================================================
> Stephen R. Lee                 | 
> OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
> E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
> 
>
From: dittjoy@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Joyce Dittmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you teach a dog to STAY?
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:11:02 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep2.113038.24284@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
(Person in flux) writes:
>In article <Btunnv.98r@hsi.com>, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:
>
>>I have a 4 month old Boxer and would like to teach him how to stay. 
>
>Why not combine the sit/stay with feeding times?  At each meal, command your
>boxer to sit, then tell him to stay (put your palm in front of his snout to
>give him a visual cue), then put the food dish down (you may have to grab his
>collar and reinforce the sit/stay the first few times you try this) and wait a
>few seconds.  Then say "Okay!" or some other release command for him to eat
his
>food.  
>
>Katie

1

q
i have also found this to be useful way to teach the stay command. i was tired
of my n. elkhound shoving his nose into the bowl before i had a chance to put
it down. so i began to have his "sit" and "stay" while i put the bowl in his
crate. i then would release him with an 'ok'. now he does it automatically. he
realized that if he doesn't sit, he won't get his food. best thing i ever
taught him. now i don't have to worry about fighting him off before i get the
bowl down.

joyce dittmann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Need Name HELP (again).........
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:59:20 GMT

Some of you may remember that 6 months ago I wanted help deciding
on a name for a puppy from a litter whose "theme" was "Gunsmoke".  
As it turned out at the time , I didn't get the puppy because there were
3 of us who wanted males and the 3rd male in the litter was deaf  :-(.

HAPPY NEWS !!  Because of a weird turn of fate I have acquired the
pick male from that very same litter !!  (He was my pick each time I saw
the litter too !!)  Well, because this was a stud fee puppy, he is not
under
any contractual of moral obligations to be named with the "theme" (whew!).

They were thinking about naming him "Bryn Mawr's The Piano Man"
because of his tendency to sneak off under the piano to relieve himself....
They have been calling him "Joel" (as in Billy Joel..).  While this is
cute,
it does absolutely *nothing* for me.

I have been thinking that this is the VERY LAST son of the sire (the sire
is alive but had to be neutered because of a testicular tumor) who is
still the only ACD with 2 all-breed Best in Shows and still holds the
honor of being the top-winning Cattle Dog of all time.......it just sorta
seems "right" to honor this pups father in his name.  The grand-sire
on the dam's side is also a big winning ACD who is relatively inaccessible 
for other reasons and I would like to sorta do the same for him.....

O.K. PEOPLE, put on your thinking caps...........

SIRE:  Ch Bryn Mawr's Rough N' Rowdy....aka  "Oscar"
GRAND-SIRE:  Ch Bryn Mawr's Court Jester.....aka  "Joker"

Some names in that I have on "The Drawing Board":

Bryn Mawr's Rough N' Tumble     Call name ?????
Bryn Mawr's Ruff N' Tuff            Call name ?????
Bryn Mawr's Rowdy Prankster  "Rowdy" or "Joker"
Bryn Mawr's Play it Again Sam  "Bogie"  (still the piano theme)
Bryn Mawr's Rowdy Jester        "Jessie"

Help me please !!  Give me more ideas.......!!!  I am brainstormed out !!
I tend to like names that have a "clever" association...like "Court Jester"
as a registered name and "Joker" as the call name.

Please no flames on changing this puppy's name...I cannot live with
the name "Joel" and in the past two days that I have had him, he has
responded more readily to *"You Little Goofball"* than to the name 
"Joel".  His first owner is a busy handler and while he is very well
socialized and ring-trained, he really doesn't seem to know the name
"Joel" in particular anyway.

Thanks in advance for the help !!

Kathy
-----------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:41:41 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> miller@sctc.com (Steven M. Miller) writes:
>
>Are there any studies of HD incidence in labs before the cert process
>became common?   If so has it been significantly reduced?   I'd argue that
>you wouldn't know if the real incidence has gone down based on my assertion
>that only dogs that are passing or borderline ever have their xrays sent to
>OFA.

I think this is a serious problem in Britain and in the US -- that a
person with a vested interest decides if the results will become
public knowledge.

In Sweden, there are two options: you may either get unofficial x-rays
evaluated by your local vet, and these results have no official
bearing at all.

The other alternative is to get the x-rays officially scored by the
Swedish Kennel Club.  In that case you _must_ sign an agreement in
advance that the x-rays may be sent in, officially scored, and the
result published.  For several breeds (including Spaniels and Labs),
the Kennel Club will only register litters from officially scored
parents.

For these reasons I think the Swedish CHD statistics are a true
indicator of the CHD frequency of the breeding stock, but not
necessarily for the breed as a whole.

Comparing CHD scoring over the world, I should mention that there are
major differences in how CHD is evaluated in different countries.  The
British evaluation critera are different from the ones used in the USA
and in Sweden (which are very similar).  For example, the British take
a larger part of the back into account.  The scoring systems are also
different, but the "ok" in Sweden starts somewhere in the middle of
"fair" according to OFA.

This last information is from Lars Audell, the vet at the Swedish
Kennel Club that scores every CHD x-ray in Sweden (what a job!).  Lars
Audell is also interesting because he's trained to score x-rays
according to both the the Swedish/OFA system and the British system.

		-- Dag
From: ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Hip Dysplasia for Bichons
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:56:20 GMT
Reply-To: ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com



How common is Hip Dysplasia for Bichon Frise dogs?

Thanks,

-Ray Yuen  (ryuen@bbn.com)
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From: fritz@gomez.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Fritz Weihe)
Subject: discount rawhide bones
Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:42:18 GMT

 	I used to get rawhide bines from "global
merchandise" in arizona. They moved, and I have
no new address. They dealt directly with some 
ranch in argentina, and hence their prodeuct
was much cheaper than the pricy supermarket
bones. 
	Does anyone out there on the
rec.woof.woof.slobber net know where golobal, or
some similar outfit, is today? Thanks.

				Frederick A. Weihe
				weihe
			weihe@mail.physics.lsa.umich.edu
From: schlumpf@uimrl8.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Shutter Bugs (WAS: Re: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:41:55 GMT
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl8.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Materials Research Lab


In article <1992Sep9.205338.3285@src.honeywell.com>,
hobright@src.honeywell.com (Lesa Hobright Turner) writes:
|> I'm overly guilty of taking pictures of my Keeshond.  I sat down at a
|> family
|> get together with three rolls of newly developed film....all of my
|> dog. :)  
|> The family wasn't impressed ;-).
|> 

Goodness! That sounds like me!!! They keep asking me "When you gonna have 
some grandkids for us to spoil ?" and I say "Just look down....take your pick, 
any of them will happily be cuddled and spoiled!" I've taken so many rolls 
of film of my Cocker and two cats...and soon the new pup will get his turn 
under my shutter...:-) It's the normal roll of film that's only composed of
 pets and model horses...anything else is unusual!!!

My Father's actually taken me seriously...he spoils our pets BEYOND
belief when he comes to visit or they go to visit...even the cats and he's
a professed cat hater (I think it's just a show...). Our Cocker is treated
like a grandkid, I think!  Nonetheless, he wasn't too impressed when 
I took the latest batch of film up for them to see....dog sitting, dog lying
down, dog yawning, cat and dog curling up together, cats sitting, model
horse, model horse, model horse, dog sitting on a chair.....you get the 
idea!!!  For Xmas last year I took their picture under the Xmas tree and
sent reprints of it out with all my cards....just like other folks do with
their kids...;-)

Kay Schlumpf
From: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: ALASKAN MALMUTE     PLEASE HELP
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:19:36 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

In article <1992Sep4.011652.13221@csc.canberra.edu.au> sec@csc.canberra.edu.au (Stacey Curtis) writes:
#In article <1556@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> J.Mitchell, jm6@ukc.ac.uk writes:
#>	I think I have made up my mind on which dogs I would like to provide
#>a home for, it's an ALASKAN MALAMUTE. They are so beautiful and to me

#>2) Does it have a tendancy to wreck a room if left inside with nobody
#around 
#>	like I have been told the Samoyed does(NO FLAMES PLEASE)?
#
#Hell, yes.  They are a breed that needs companionship.   The books you've
#read should have specified that they are not a one-man dog, but are
#better suited to a family.  Either adopt a family or be prepared to adopt
#another dog (Siberian Huskies are extremely compatible). 
[the rest of the excellent description deleted]

Very true. I have two Malamutes and this describes them perfectly.

#
#>5) How high a fence do I need to stop a dog escaping ?  ( for its own
#good ! )
#
#We have never had a problem with our Mals jumping.  They are excellent
#diggers though.  All yards that have dogs should be as escape proof as
#possible.  If you can raise your fence, raise it.

Mine have pushed through sections of cheap welded wire fence, or jumped
on it and bent it down.  I would recommend a wooden or chain link
fence.  I consider a fence a must.

#Best wishes.  I would never own another breed after owning my Malamutes. 
#They are trully wonderous.
#
#Stacey, Kodi, Malibu and Pernod.

Excellent description of the breed.  I'll never walk down a crowded
street with my dogs off-leash but on-heel like I've seen German
Shepherds, but they're great dogs if you know what you're getting
into.
--
Mike Mayer                                             mikem@heurikon.com
From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Stool color change in Chow
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:58:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University
Originator: plemmons@plemmons.mth.msu.edu

I have a Black Chow that will be one year old in late October.  Recently
her stool is a very light brown color to bright yellow.  It is also very
soft.  This has not been the norm for her in the past and I wondered if
there were any reasons for this that I don't know about.  I have fed her
Pedigree since I brought her home.  I switched her over from puppy food
to dog food at about 7 months.  She seems to be fine in all other areas
too.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Steve Plemmons




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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Diamond Dog Food
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:31:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <BuBox1.CLM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
(Kay Schlumpf) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone!
> 
> With all this talk of dog foods, I said that we had fed our Cocker
> SD, but she had problems with it so we are now feeding her 
> Nutro Max which agrees with her. This Friday we are going to
> be picking up our little black GSD, Siegfried, and we wanted to
> wean him off of what they had been feeding him to Nutro puppy
> then later to what the Cocker's eating, thus making it easier for
> us. Yet, the breeders recommend feeding him some brand of
> dog food called Diamond which you can get 50 lbs for $20. They
> said it's really high in beef fat content. So, my question is,
> does anyone know anything about Diamond dog food and if 
> the high fat content would be bad for him? 

If the breeders recommended it you are probably be fine.
I decided to post this reply because I have heard both good
and bad about Diamond.  A big Rott-breeder friend of mine
insists that her dogs have never had better (shinier) coats
since she's had them on diamond and I know of a number
of Lab Breeders that swear by Diamond. 

* BUT *

of the handfull of Cattle Dog folks that I know who have put 
thier dogs on Diamond  *ALL*  of them have had the same 
problem:  the dogs do fine digestively but their coats get 
all burnt out... the only thing I can think of to compare it to 
is a really, really bad home perm !!!  It took a friend of mine
*months*  to get a normal coat back on her male special after 
he had been on Diamond just a week.

I have found it curious that every one I know with ACDs
has had the same problem with this food.  I'll be the 
first to admit that my breed is weird (in many ways) but
this seems really really weird !!
Has anyone else had or heard of any "breed-specific"
reactions to any brand of food ?

My $.02 on the subject of food......I have been feeding Sams
Professional Recipe (from Sams Wholesale Club) for over 
a year now and am thrilled with it.  It is a "cheap" food 
($13 for a 40# bag) but my kids have never had better
coats and overall condition.  Another wonderfully strange
benefit of this food...I have *never* had any problem 
switching dogs over to this food (no loose stools, etc.)...
even when the switch is done all at once (compared to
gradual mixing).  I just switched my new puppy over
(the previous owner forgot to bring me food for mixing)
to this food overnight and he had no problem whatsoever !!

BTW Kay....if you are looking for Diamond here in Champaign,
I know that Rod Burton carries it at Burtons' Feed Depot
on South Neil Street  (across the street from Par 3 Golf 
Course).

Kathy
-------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: walls@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pig Ears, Choo-Hooves, or Rawhide
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:31:17 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

Hello out there in network land. I have another question for all of you.
What are your thoughts and opinions on giving your dog pig ears, choo-hooves,
or rawhide ad treats?? I realize pig ears are more expensive than choo-hooves.
Choo-hooves are less expensive than rawhide, depending on what size you get.
Are any of these treats high in calories?(I have an overweight dach/terr.mix)
Please let me know what treats you give your dogs and what you would recommend.
Thanks Again!! 
Bonnie 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hobright@src.honeywell.com (Lesa Hobright Turner)
Subject: German Pinchers
To: rec.pets.dogs
Posted-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16: 07:26 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:07:26 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16: 07:27 CDT



Has anyone heard of this breed?

What can you tell me about them?  Temperment, size, cost?  Are they rare?

Thanks!
Lesa
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hobright@src.honeywell.com (Lesa Hobright Turner)
Subject: German Pinchers & Doberman Pinchers
To: rec.pets.dogs
Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12: 25:22 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:25:22 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12: 25:24 CDT



I am posting this for a co-worker who is interested in the above mentioned
dogs.  

Outside of the basic puppy purchasing questions (which I think I told her all
of) what other questions should she ask a breeder specifically about a Pincher?
What are the genetic health problems to look for?  eyes?  hips?  

Is there something to look in temperment when choosing a pup?

Can someone tell me of a GOOD breeder in Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconson, North
Dakota or South Dakota?

Any information that would lead to a wise match between puppy and family would
be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in Advance!

Lesa Hobright-Turner
and Chaska the FurMonster
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Samoyed
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:24:29 GMT

Is there a national dog show just for Samyoeds?  Please respond by 
email.

DMO
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Autoimmune Anemia
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: jodi@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM

JP>"experimental" drug, cyclosporin. Apparently with the cyclosporin
JP>treatment she has about a 50-50 chance (before cyclosporin,
JP>90% of the victims died).

JP>She seems to be holding her own (she's alert, can walk a bit,
JP>is not destroying her red cells as fast now) but it will still
JP>be several days before we know if she's going to make it.

JP>I'm very worried and scared and depressed. I've had her since
JP>she was 6 weeks old (she's 8 years now), and can't stand the thought
JP>of losing her. Has anyone out there had any experience with
JP>this disease? If she survives it (and she HAS to), what are
JP>her chances for leading a healthy life again?

Cyclosporin is the drug they use for Transplant Patients to keep them
from rejecting their new organ. It has an extremly high sucess rate for
this use. In humans one of the side effects is hair growth, and upset
stomachs. For humans it must be taken with food and on a regular
schedule. I don't know if the same would be true for dogs. It is also
used for topical treatment of eye injuries in dogs with remarkable
results.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Summary: Hip Dysplasia / OFA
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:25:25 CDT

In article <1992Sep8.172319.5737@cs.uah.edu>, ldawes@news.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I own a Siberian Husky, and I have just recently learned that
> they can suffer from Hip Dyplasia (I have absolutely no idea how
> you spell it). I was wondering, if the dog has a tendency
> towards it, when do the symptoms appear.  My dog is 3 yrs old.
> 
> How much does an xray normaly cost?
> 
> Thanks

   It will cost about $100 to have your dogs hips examined and verified
by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA). Your Vet will need to
put your dog to sleep (not dead sleep), to perform the Xray. The Xray
will then be sent to the OFA to have 3 independent specialists look at
the Xray and determine if the problem exists. The OFA will get the 
results back in about 3 weeks. I don't have their address here today
but I have it at home... I am presently writing an article about 
Hip Dyplasia.

   Actual I would not worry too much about your Husky. The breed has
very low incidence of Hip Dysplasia ony 2.9%. Versus St Bernards at 47.4%,
Newfoundlands at 31.9%, English Setters at 25.8%, Golden Retrievers at
22.9%, Labs at 14.3%. Only Sheepdogs & Borzois have a lower incidence.

   Good Luck

  Dennis Guldan
  Bird Dog News