HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: arrogance
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:44:26 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
humans (in effect, setting up situational
ethics relativism for cultures).

-- Newt Gingrich
   Republican Whip
   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)

   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Female Ejaculation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:07:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug26.084608.18836@massey.ac.nz>

John Ainikkal writes:

It was only mere speculation
The having of a female ejaculation
Derived only through feminine masturbation?


Response:

Why critique until you see the evidence yourself?


John:

Reference to Bapu Ghandhi
Makes ignorant comments trendy


Response:

Which are the 'ignorant comments'?  
What is the difference between a 'trend' and important, squelched information?


John:

The new knowledge imparted in its content
Leaves many a MAN terribly discontent
What was the poster's real intent?


Response:

Depends on the MAN.
To me, a REAL MAN is one who is excited by new prospects of power for
women.  Why does knowledge about female bodies bring discontent, unless
our goal is to conquer and control?

The issue is not the poster's intent.  That was clear enough.
The issue is what you will do with this assertion.

Will you dispute it because it frightens you?
Will you criticize it before you have been with a woman who can do this?
Will you be quick to judge, to condemn, without asking serious questions?


Thyagi NagaSiva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:17:15 GMT
Reply-To: av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <Btuyrr.F3v@wpi.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>i am one of those who believe that our elders are not dumb and when
>they decide something it is for our own good. the same holds for sati
>also IMHO.
>doki

No, no, no ! I refuse to take the bait, Doki.
And I hope I have influenced many others to do the same.

Atul

Save bandwidth. Ignore obvious provocations.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijr@microsoft.com (Vij Rajarajan)
Subject: AT&T Cinncinati
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:58:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

I am looking for Asha Sundaram (Srinath) who joined AT&T in Cincinnati recently.
Please, if you know her, ask her to contact me at email vijr@microsoft.com
or 206-936-5610 (w) or 206-641-7194 (H). If not please mail me her email addr.
or her phone number. 

Thanks,
..raja.
From: gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: MATRIMONIAL. GUJU Medical Student (US) seeks Female
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:17:20 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

I am looking for an introduction to Gujurati females for my friend,
Jayesh Khatiwala, a 2nd year medical student at 
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Brunswick, NJ

Jayesh is 23, has a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from Rutgers University.
He is about 5' 8" and 150 pounds. Respond to me directly

Srihari Gopal
gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu
From: mshah@cs.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: FAQ needed..
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:57:38 GMT

Hi netters,
	I do not read this newsgroup very often, but
whenever I read it, I find many articles inquiring
about the general informations(visa , travel etc.).
Isn't it a good idea to have a FAQ(Frequently asked
questions). 
	FAQ should be updated and posted every month.
This way, I think, we can cut down no of articles 
significantly.

Munil Shah
From: vganti@nmt.edu (Venkata Ganti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: request for travel agents information
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:55:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Mexico Tech

HI NETTERS,

	COULD SOMEBODY OUT THERE PLEASE POST THE LIST OF TRAVEL AGENTS DEALING
WITH AIRLINES FLYING TO INDIA. I HAVE SEEN A BIG LIST FEW MONTHS BACK ON THE 
NET. I APPRECIATE IF ANYBODY CAN SEND THAT LIST. THANX IN ADVANCE.
MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS
  
vganti@jupiter.nmt.edu

BYE

ganti
From: gzka0@da.amdahl.com (Gopal Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: HOUSEMATE WANTED
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:04:36 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Amdahl Corporation


Looking for a Indian housemate who 
	- is easy-going, easy to get along with
	- is clean
	- can sleep through anything
	- party type
	
to share large 5 bed, 3 bath house with 3 male professionals.
Located in San Jose, near Capitol & Beryessa and close to 680,
currently available.

Rent : $340 + utilities.  You will have your own bedroom and
share a bathroom.  

If you are musically inclined, it would be a plus.  

Please reply to any of:

		 Gopal Krishnan @ (408)-737-5143
		 Buddy		@ (408)-263-6300 x211
		 Pat Bhatt	@ (408)-925-2456

		 H - (408)-272-8743
		 Email: gzka0@da.amdahl.com
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Gopal Krishnan		 gzka0@da.amdahl.com	 	(408)-737-5143  
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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RSS ( MP Government's Silent revolution in Education)
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:43:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Sep03.153019.4583@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>    As far a  Gandhi is concerned, WHO IS DISCOUNTING GANDHI's CONTRIBUTION
>    TO FREEDOM STRUGGLE? In fact they are also giving a place to other leaders 
>    and freedom fighters like Chandra Shekhar Azad, Bhaghat Singh, 
>    Veer Savrkar etc,.
....stuf deleted

>
>    ITS IDEOLOGY ACHEIVEMENT OF AKHAND BHARAT. AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THE 
>    BEST WAY FOR THAT IS THRU ATTENDING THEIR REGULAR BRANCHES (shakha) 
>    regularly.

Having attended shakhas for quite some time in India, I can 
confidently say that as far as Gandhi is concerned, none of 
the shakha goers believe that Gandhi had any role to play in
the freedom movement. They firmly believe that he was a deterrent
to the freedom movement and had it not been for him, we would 
have achieved freedom in a day. Only Bhagat Singh, C.S.Azad etc.
are glorified (sometimes to the extent that resembles the 
glorification of Birbal's wisdom). Several times I felt like 
objecting to their tall tales but I didn't have the guts to 
argue with the mostly militant minded shakha goers. Some truth!

I am not saying that the present educational system is not 
suppressing facts. It perhaps is guilty of doing so. But the 
vidyabharati is also guilty of the same crime and that too 
magnified 100 folds. 

Its seems the common denominator between expunging the 
theories of Marxism, Buddhism etc. seem to be the lack 
of a GOD in these theories; something which will not do
for a party that uses RAM-bo posters in its offices.

regards,
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E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: The Top Twenty Schools
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:51:17 GMT

In article <laa6k0INNeaj@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>This might be of passing interest to some folks. The following is a list of
>leading university recipients of federal research dollars which includes
>money from the NIH, NSF, DOE and the Dept. of Defense.
>
>1.  John Hopkins *

  Johns Hopkins, if you please  ! Can you post the year this applies to, 
and the dollar amounts for the first few ? I believe MIT used to beat 
us to first place in this game.

 
>2.  MIT *
>3.  U Wisconsin, Madison
>4.  UC San Deigo
>5.  U Minnesota
>6.  Stanford *
>7.  U Washington, Seattle
>8.  U Michigan, Ann Arbor
>9.  Cornell *
>10. Columbia *
>11. Harvard *
>12. U Pennsylvania *
>13. UC Berkley
>14. UC Los Angeles
>15. U Illinois, Urbana
>16. U Texas, Austin
>17. U Southern California *
>18. UC San Fransisco
>19. Penn State
>20. Texas A&M
>
>* indicates private colleges. All the rest are public institutions.
>
>Samit
>

Satyen

-- 
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Satyen Baindur  (baindur@eta.pha.jhu.edu)
Physics and Astronomy
Johns Hopkins University
From: satish@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:05:58 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


IGNORE








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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kumar@ra.csc.ti.com (Sundeep Kumar)
Subject: Where is DEB ???
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:39:10 GMT


Its been a very long time since one of DEBCHAT
Spicy articles hit SCI... Used to be good reading
his Anti-Commy (almost Fascists !!) Articles.
Maybe the Thread will start again....

--Sundeep

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Keywords: acceptance without questioning? An indication of ignorance
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:39:15 GMT


In article no. <sdjfhjds> J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz  (J.  Ainikkal)
said: > > >|>I am one of those who believes that if we stop ques-
tioning all >|>our beliefs and all our assumptions  (handed  down
to  us  by >|>society) we end up 'brain dead'. IM (not so humble)
O. > >>that is exactly what i am saying. there are a  lot  of  us
who  are  >>saying >>sati is not good. how about questioning that
so  that we won't >>end up >>being brain dead like you. > >Mr Do-
pey,  >Oops  sorry  Mr  Doki,  >What others claim (sati not being
'good') is based on the 'facts' >and the circumstances that  have
lead  to this criminal practice.  >They do not just accept it be-
cause their parents told them so.  > >>Doki > >A little poem  for
U  -  Apologies  to  Lynerd  Skynerd > >"Mama told me, when I was
young, >Sit beside me my dopey son, >If U  burn  your  wife  then
she'll be fine, >That will also make U both devine.  > > >Tav Tav
Tav, Tav De Ta Tav (just playing the music too- 'cause >there  is
a  good  chance  that U have not heard the song that I am >twist-
ing:) > >Now I'am older and taking her advice, >My mind  has  not
evolved  and  I  am despised." > >I wonder why?  > >John Ainikkal
>'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud


I don't follow a shit of what you have said so far.
could you explain it to me in more detail please.


thanking you 


yours sincerely


Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: A Question About "Swastik(a)"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:58:22 GMT




In article <933@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) write
s:
>As many of us know, Swastik(a) was a mighty and frightening
>symbol of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Germany. Also, this
>symbol has been used for centuries by Hindus as a symbol
>of good luck and fortune(I don't know its religious background).
>Infact, its word origin is Sanskrit(ham)(Su+ati). Did Hitler
>barrow this symbol from Hinduism, and if so what attracted
>him so much to adopt this as his symbol? Knowledgeble netters/
>historians can throw some light on this subject.
>
>---Sree

        Swastik is NOT the symbol adopted by Hitler. There is a very crucial
difference. Swastik has a sense of flow, if you look at it carefully. Swastik
symbolises a flow that is in accordance with nature and cosmic forces. The 
Nazi symbol though looks similar has got the opposite sense of flow. Thus it 
goes against the forces of nature and hence leads to destruction.
        Probably, Hitler borrowed it from Hinduism, but he got it wrong.

Raja
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Subject: Re: Does masturbation reduce intelligence? (Was Re: Is it correct th
Keywords: puzzling questions
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:35:02 GMT

In article <16270@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.160040.3456@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
>>It is most important to feel that whatever you are doing
>>is the right thing to do.  Feelings of guilt could be
>>harmful to the mind and consequently to the body.  So, do
>>whatever you want so long as you thing that you are doing
>>the right thing and you would feel that you are on top of
>>the world.  Same goes for masturbation.
>
>My dear fellow, in the human species, guilt feelings seem to
>be absent only in the psychopath.  Now I'm not saying that
>masturbation is rightly the subject of guilt, but consider
>what you are saying in the light of that information.  Surely
>there is a good social purpose for guilt feelings and we'd
>on balance be worse off if no one felt guilty for the bad
>things they do.
>
>
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------


The subject of guilt feelings is very complex.  Who decides what
is right or wrong?  There is no absolute (unless you believe in
Bible or something which is again subject to the variations of
interpretation).  So, your feelings of right and wrong are based
on a complex mixture of religion, society and your own judgement.
I am asking you to do what you feel is right.  Why would you have
guilt feelings if you know that you are right?

Spend a little time pondering over this matter.  It might just be
the key to your happiness.

Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: Ambiguous abbreviations (IMHO)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:22:48 GMT

balaji@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Srinivasan Balaji)
writes on soc.culture.indian:

) What is IMHO ? Some people Dec(b)lare it is  "In my honest opinion ".
)      others use it for "In my humble opinion". Others still might use 
)      it for "In my humble/honest opinion ". 

Always #include abbrev.h last. If you include something like
debchat.h, your program is definitely not portable. :-) 


---/usr/include/abbrev.h
#undef IMHO   /* This is a significant statement  :-) */
#define IMHO "In My Humble Opinion"
.
.
.

---/usr/include/debchat.h
#undef IMHO  /* If you do why not me! */
#define IMHO "In My Honest Opinion"
.
.
.

)      -- Balaji 

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: Tamil and other PJ
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:01:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.235432.11740@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> mathrubb@cse.fau.edu (Basker Mathrubootham) writes:
>In article <Aug.20.04.44.08.1992.9914@titania.rutgers.edu> ratan@titania.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
>>
>>   Why was the tamilian angry
>>
>>          because he was Anger (a tamil brahmin's family name
>>                                     Air and Anger)
>  Maan I guess you are too ignorant about tamils. 
>   There are no family names such as air or anger among tamil brahmins.
>Instead it is Iyer and Iyengar. If you don't know exactly about what you are
>writing in the net, consult a person who knows atleast something about tamils.
>                 Bye Bye
>               An Indian


I guess Mr. Santosh assumed that people will not feel insulted when
abusive comments are disguised as "Jokes" on a public forum!

Well, Mr. Santosh, taste your own medicine.
Appreciate the following joke (sick?) the same
way you expected all Tamils to appreciate yours.

	Question: What is an approiate family name for a non-Tamilian Rat?
	Answer:   What else? RAT-an.
		  In particular, if it finds fun and HAPPINESS in insulting
		  others, you could call it  "Santosh Ratan"

Send all flames to the person who started this (ratan@titania.rutgers.edu).
I'll simply ignore any provocative responses/comments/mails/further
postings on this.

HA! HA! (for the first joke)
HA! HA! (for the second joke too!)
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Question About "Swastik(a)"
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:14:55 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
: Here are a few facts - from memory I confess, but I believe they are
: correct.
: 
: Hitler did not borrow the Swastika from Hinduism - rather it was used
: (I do not know why) by one of the local chapters of the Nazi party and
: it was suggested to Hitler that the main Nazi party use it.
I don't think thats true. Hitler himself designed the flag and the
symbol of the Nazi party when he was in prison(ref:" The Rise and
the Fall of Third Reich"). Infact, he was the founder of German
National Socialist Party(which eventually known as Nazi party).

---Sree
: Rohit Parikh
From: madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: PeeJay
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:22:09 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <Aug.29.06.59.07.1992.9602@thebe.rutgers.edu> ratan@thebe.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
>Mr. Singh is travelling by air for the first time. His destination is
>some European country. Since he had researched into the matter and had
>learned that on the plane they gave food which were of no use, he has
>taken some food for himself in a bundle. When the stewardess offers
>food, he simply refuses. 
>Mr. Singh:  Roti..... India.
>Mr. Singh:  Daal..... India.
>Mr. Singh:  Pickle..... India.
 <stuff deleted>
>curiosity, again asked,"Mr. Singh, what was that?". 
>Mr. Singh:  Air..... India.

Funny, huh?

Mr. Ratan seems to have a good (????!!) sense of humor, quoting pretty
old peejay's which every desi tom, dick and harry would know!

I was also wondering what this RATAN is up to, he seems to redicule
people from other communities, earlier having witten about tamils (Air,
Anger???) 

HOW ABOUT SOME PEEJAYS ON RATANS??  Our friends could come up with some!

Vasudhevan Madabushi
 
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From: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.sex,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,talk.ph
Subject: Re: Does masturbation reduce intelligence? (Was Re: Is it correct th
Keywords: puzzling questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:03:23 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Aug26.160040.3456@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
>It is most important to feel that whatever you are doing
>is the right thing to do.  Feelings of guilt could be
>harmful to the mind and consequently to the body.  So, do
>whatever you want so long as you thing that you are doing
>the right thing and you would feel that you are on top of
>the world.  Same goes for masturbation.

You have echoed my sentiment buddy !!!

-Sandip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 02:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.193627.11095@news2.cis.umn.edu>, crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
|> In article <m912121.715336257@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU> m912121@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU (Joydip Das) writes:
|> >
|> >>how did you expect women to be a part of the 'intelligent' elders? 
|> >>Suresh
|> >
|> >I can feel only pity for you.  But I despair for the people
|> >who are responsible for the social environment that gave rise
|> >to your opinions (I doubt that YOU are capable of having thought
|> >this out YOURSELF).  The fact that you associate the word
|> >"intelligent" to these people is even more disturbing.
|> >
|> >JD.
|> 
|> It seems that the society that you are referring to is ostensibly Indian.

I knew Ed would not miss the opportunity to pass some disparaging remarks. :-*

|> Therfore you suggest that Indian environment that forged Suresh's 
|> mysogenistic views needs correcting.  How many others have "benefitted"
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                                ^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you mean <misogynistic> here. Too many "genes" on your mind I guess. :)
I have been well fitted by such an upbringing. Particularly with a sense
of humor which some seem to lack sadly. :-( 

|> from such an upbringing?
|> 
|> Ed
|> 

Nath.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:46:56 GMT

One erudite scholar by name manikandan whatever says: 

>what a crook.I can't beleive an educated person ( i presume this idiot
>is, since he has access to email) beleives that burning a woman alive
>just because the person whom she married  bought the farm. well Mr.
>suresh if you want to find out what i think you are, contact me . in the
>mean time  BURN IN HELL.
>manikandan

What is your number? 1-800-CLUELESS?


doki
From: ssdesai@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Sunil S. Desai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Need Immigation lawyer in Montana
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:12:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi!

I am looking for recommendation (or name & telephone #) for immigration 
lawyers in Montana (or Idaho) area.

Any info or pointers will be welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Sunil  ssdesai@gandalf.rutgers.edu
~~~~~
From: aseth@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Anand Sethuraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Question About "Swastik(a)"
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:23:51 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


As far as I am aware, the swastika was "discovered" by a Nazi dentist in
the veruy early years of the Nazi Party and submitted to Hitler as a design
for their symbol. It has its recent roots in the "fasces" symbol (hence
Fascism) which consisted of "four axes bundled at the center. This symbol
was used by Ancient Persians and people around Central Asia. It's antiquity
could well reach 2000 B.C. by all accounts I have read. 

The Indian swastika and the German one differ only by 45 degrees as someone
earlier indicated. But sometimes I see it going counter-clockwise in some
instances in India. According to Websters Dictionary, our swastika runs
counter-clockwise and the German one , clockwise , but this is clearly
incorrect. Further, it is my theory that the British while in India before
and after WWII have made a concerted effort to change the Indian swastika
in places where it could so as to reduce the possible problems  of an
uprising that identification with Germans would create. Our swastika and
theirs are the same , whether its origin as a symbol is strictly
"Indo-Aryan" whatever that may mean is a great unsolved mystery. I know
that Germanic tribes in the Dark Ages and during the Roman era used the
Swastika as a battle banner. 

Intersting topic, my feeling is that the British cover-up has served to
confuse the topic still further. The bundled "axe" fasces symbol is
supposed to represent strength and unity , we could use a  lot of that in
India today....

Its the damn jolly Britshits screwing us once again...


Anand Sethuraman.
Notre Dame Law '95
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.cascade