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Info-Hams Digest            Sun, 13 Dec 92       Volume 92 : Issue 1308

Today's Topics:
                    AAC Products Email List Update
          ARRL Leadership  (was: ARRL technical literature)
                          Below 30Mhz Stuff
                Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C (4 msgs)
                       DX Bulletin 60  ARLD060
                      DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)
            Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
     HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN (2 msgs)
                    KEPLERIAN BULLETIN 54  ARLK054
                           Longwires at VHF
                    More on Crossed Field Antenna?
                         Morse code upgrading
        Poteniometer ratings:  Is that max value or min value?
                       Power Grid Tubes - Help!
                          REALISTIC HTX-202

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:43:57 PST
From: ucselx!crash!slic!mikey@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: AAC Products Email List Update
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

It appears likely that the Email list will be activated this
week.  It is expected to be handled by a major .edu site on
the Internet.

The list will be called:  ACC-L and will be open to all hardware
and software products manufactured by Advanced Computer Controls,
Inc.

I would think that any comparisons of other repeater controllers
specificly to ACC products would also be welcome in this forum.
So feel free to sign-up when you see the announcement of ACC-L in
this newsgroup.

If you have already asked me to "sign you up" already, then it is
likely that you will already be signed-up.  More details will of
course, be given in the announcement.

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:34:13 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: ARRL Leadership  (was: ARRL technical literature)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) writes:

>In article <9212071839.aa01491@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>>
>>I guess I join NARA too -- now they've focussed on supporting novices 
>>and techs (who comprise 47% of the ham population and its growing!). I 
>>maybe an extra in the future but I'll still be supporting the novices 
>>and the techs.
>>

>Don Stoner has made a big deal about "supporting Novices", but in
>words only.  NARA is really his baby.  The NARA HQ is at his
>company offices in Bellevue, WA.

Isn't Don Stoner the one who petitioned FCC a few years ago to eliminate
the amateur 6 meter band and use the frequencies for unlicensed digital
LAN operations?

AL N1AL

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 18:27:47 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcc05!hpldsla!brunob@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Below 30Mhz Stuff
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Seems to me that you got the bug, it will soon be under your skin and you
will succumb to call and become a "Ham".
What you heard are the - Shore to Ship - Stations Calling all stations on
the sea/air and basicly telling " I'm ready for any traffic, lisning on....
4/6/8/12/16/....MHz". Thouse are internationaly recognized freq. for ini-
tial contact, and than thay will QSY to there working freq.
K - is CW code for " Come in - anybody " or ' Over ' in plain lang.
DE - is CW code for " This is......."

CW - is - CW       (continious wave or radio telegraphy)

Please ask any question you may have, will be happy to share widh you
The joy of Short Wave listning.

from the log of AA6AD

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:06:05 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, roakley@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>	How about it folks?  Any great ideas for

>		WK3C	other than Washington Kissed Three Chicks
>			or Who Killed Three Cats


Hmmm, you say you're in Washington DC?   How about:

     We Killed 3 Congressmen

     Washington Kilowatt = 3-foot Corona

And for those spoil-sports who don't like "cute" phonetics:  of course,
these are not for use on the air.  Except maybe in a ragchew conversation
after callsigns have already been exchanged.

AL N1AL

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Date: 14 Dec 92 04:04:00 GMT
From: naucse!sunset.cse.nau.edu@arizona.edu
Subject: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Depending on how you feel about the critters -

  Will Keep 3 Cats
  Will Kill 3 Cats

Now, if you want something REALLY difficult, try
my call WB5KXH -
 
The only thing I ever came up with is 

   WB5 Kindly eX Ham  - which doesn't make much
 sense!


- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:07:31 MST
From: swrinde!gatech!news.byu.edu!news@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
: 
: Cute phonetics are a regular peeve of mine.  Most people don't realize
: that they're not legal for the purposes of ID-ing.

Where's THAT in the regs?

--
Ed Haymore
ed_haymore@byu.edu

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:06:47 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!psuvax1!atlantis.psu.edu!holman@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <6097@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>
>Now, if you want something REALLY difficult, try
>my call WB5KXH -
> 
>The only thing I ever came up with is 
>
>   WB5 Kindly eX Ham  - which doesn't make much
> sense!

WB5 Kinky eX Ham   or WB5 Kinky eX Hermit

darryl, WB9TCY

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Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:01:56 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!think.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!hal.CWRU.Edu!rab@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: DX Bulletin 60  ARLD060
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec11.053116.1236@n8emr.cmhnet.org> gws writes:

> <lines deleted>
>
>WALLIS.  FW/Y31OO and FW/Y58IO have been reported on 40 meter CW
>between
>NIUE.  JA3JM and JA3JA are active as ZK2XI and ZK2XJ.  Check around
>
> <remainder deleted>

This DX bulletin arrived with the info for Wallis truncated.
I worked FW/Y58IO on 13 Dec 92 at 2122z on 10m CW.  Does
anyone have the QSL information?  (There's no Y58IO in my 91 CB.)

Thanks and 73,
Roger AA8DV

--
Roger Bielefeld     Case Western Reserve University
rab@hal.cwru.edu    Cleveland, Ohio  USA

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:22:12 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcc05!hpldsla!brunob@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Sharon Hi,
I try to bite my tounge or bettr to chop off my UNIX finger but.......
Your expiriance is just one of examples of modern times. It has very little
to do with " DX ETIQUETTE " Since people interfering would not understand
this word anyway. Most of us would not dare to interupt normal conversation
in spite disagreement or heat of the discussion.
However, I am an avid DX-er or Ego maniac, and this is my 18th call from
12 different countries, worked DXCC many times over etc. and from the point
of DX station there is no moral or any kind of obligation to work anybody,
since this is only HOBBY. Rudnes on Ham Bands is no different than on our
Highways, TV or football field, ( Coach of one of most prestigious Univ. in
this country, punched oposition recevier after he intercepted the ball...).
It is an instant pleasure society....I want it N O W, by any means.
I may sound like a preacher or rabbi, but I'm only getting nostalgic or old
enjoying working Novices, and beeng called by ZA1A at 5 wpm and having QSO
in which he told me names of his children and not 599 X....
  

  from the log AA6AD

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:38:51 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcc05!hpldsla!brunob@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

There is very little you can do, except if you have masochistic tendency,
and beat the dead horse to ground.
Obviously, beside trowing the gedget into the garbadge, as I did in the past
you may try....line filter at the lamp......complex "soft dimmer" ,since
yours is the " Brute force " one.....or agreement with XYL that the lamp
is going to be used 'ONLY' when guests arrive, as I did with my XYL.

from the log of AA6AD

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Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:07:19 -0600
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In <pschleck.724272973@cwis>
pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:

% lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:
% 
% >I mentioned the availability of the HAM Connection BBS.  I will not mention
% >that persons' name on the net, but I hope he is well aware that his posting
% >will not continue like in the past.
% 
% If you won't mention his name, I will :-).  Let me introduce myself to
% the net, I am Paul Schleck, the accused.  My sysadmin is a busy type
% who, in the absence of any illegal action or use in conflict with UNO
% and NSF guidelines, will generally say, "Fight your own litle turf
% battles."  Suffice to say, I won't be sending Grady any more E-mail.
% What I have to say on the net is quite another matter.
[Deletions]
% >I am perfectly within the guideline of USENET with my posts - it is non-
% >commercial and of interest to ham radio operators.  I just thank all those
% >who responded and gave advice.  I was suprised, really suprised.
% >  
% >The HAM Connection BBS will stay Online as advertised earlier and not shut
% >down.  
% 
% >Happy Holidays all and 73,
% 
% >N5UYH Grady
% 
% Thanks for continuing to provide the services that you do.  I'd really
% like to try out your BBS and see for myself, unfortunately anyone
% attempting to register as "PAUL SCHLECK" gets a nasty message and a
% disconnect.
% 
% 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
% 
% pschleck@unomaha.edu
% 
        
        I can't say as I blame him, Paul.....I feel the same way about you
that *he* does.  You abuse your authority on a regular basis.  Running a bbs
is a selfless (and usually non-profit) act and the person that runs one
should be respected, not pestered.....

        T. Keller

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com           KJ5??  (new call soon.....)       
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom             Try 28.440MHz.....                       
        For the latest breaking Aggie Jokes, Dial 1-800-AGGIE-IQ.....
".....and for the first time in twenty years in Waxahachie, Texas.....
.......it rained!"   The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:01:43 GMT
From: swrinde!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis!pschleck@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller) writes:

>In <pschleck.724272973@cwis>
>pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:

>        
>        I can't say as I blame him, Paul.....I feel the same way about you
>that *he* does.  You abuse your authority on a regular basis.  Running a bbs
                      ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

How can I abuse authority I do not have?  This is a voluntary,
collaborative, peer-to-peer forum last time I checked.  I'm not asking
that everyone agree with me, but I am pleased that many do..

>is a selfless (and usually non-profit) act and the person that runs one
>should be respected, not pestered.....

Dispute over "pestering" aside, no one is so perfect that they can't
stand a bit of constructive criticism (myself included).  Whether it's
not making the best use of the cross-posting features of Usenet, or
advocating illegal trespass and vandalism of allegedly "contraband" CB
radio equipment, we can all stand a bit of self-reflection and analysis.

>        T. Keller

73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 02:31:52 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: KEPLERIAN BULLETIN 54  ARLK054
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

============================================================== 
| 	Automatic relayed from packet radio via              | 
| N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553                              |
==============================================================

ZCZC SK10
QST DE W1AW
KEPLERIAN BULLETIN 54  ARLK054
FROM ARRL HEADQUARTERS
NEWINGTON, CT  DECEMBER 12, 1992
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS

THANKS TO NASA, AMSAT AND N3FKV FOR THE FOLLOWING KEPLERIAN DATA.

DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

AO-10
1 14129U 83058  B 92343.26998752 -.00000016           99998-4 0  9478
2 14129  26.9626  50.6584 6019093  39.3583 351.6774  2.05877931 43368
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054  A 92345.60895581 0.00000097           99999-4 0  4900
2 18129  82.9275  18.0005 0012922 117.1507 243.0972 13.72302366273987
UO-11
1 14781U 84021  B 92343.08744543 0.00000807           14632-3 0  3876
2 14781  97.8315  11.7725 0010833 251.4823 108.5207 14.68773825468663
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007  A 92339.18085955 0.00000062           59814-4 0  3862
2 21089  82.9230  66.7370 0028228 229.7234 130.1452 13.74007817 91741
AO-13
1 19216U 88051  B 92341.84786510 0.00000160           99999-4 0  5451
2 19216  57.5150 345.8983 7281013 302.7964   7.0296  2.09715697  2829
UO-14
1 20437U 90005  B 92345.19119343 0.00000225           10367-3 0  6999
2 20437  98.6298  65.4589 0011617  21.2777 338.8881 14.29709816150427
AO-16
1 20439U 90005  D 92338.55103863 0.00000240           10929-3 0  5364
2 20439  98.6348  59.5994 0012616  40.6074 319.6046 14.29768656149485
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2 20440  98.6391  66.5841 0011762  20.4203 339.7202 14.29905407150470
WO-18
1 20441U 90005  F 92342.72441161 0.00000121           54860-4 0  5403
2 20441  98.6338  63.9173 0011984  35.8763 324.3223 14.29885602150093
LO-19
1 20442U 90005  G 92339.23952054 0.00000238           10778-3 0  5378
2 20442  98.6368  60.6195 0013754  36.9818 323.2310 14.29972087149609
FO-20
1 20480U 90013  C 92337.69490380 0.00000001           30716-4 0  4323
2 20480  99.0628 224.8260 0540753 171.4732 189.6026 12.83214516132116
AO-21
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2 21087  82.9441 192.3333 0035042 184.9988 175.0815 13.74502774 93541
UO-22
1 21575U 91050  B 92343.22375043 0.00000317           12160-3 0  2369
2 21575  98.4944  56.2366 0007774 143.1087 217.0634 14.36743087 73249
KO-23
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2 16609  51.6215  85.4203 0001815 133.1107 227.0085 15.56720503389746

KEPLERIAN BULLETINS ARE TRANSMITTED TWICE WEEKLY FROM W1AW.  THE
NEXT SCHEDULED TRANSMISSION OF THESE DATA WILL BE TUESDAY, DECEMBER
15, 1992, AT 2330Z ON BAUDOT, AMTOR AND ASCII.
NNNN

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:47:45 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Longwires at VHF
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, 9210466@ul.ie writes:

>    Anyone out there used longwires on VHF and above?
>    I am interested in hearing other peoples experiences 
>    with this. Our club used one for a VHF field day and 
>    as far as I heard they were quite pleased with the results.
>    Only problem was changing the directivity..

A rhombic is basically a 4-element longwire.  I have heard of people
successfully using rhombics for VHF TV reception.  The disadvantages
are (of course) that they are not directional and their size.
6 wavelengths per leg works out to something like 180 feet from
end to end.

AL N1AL

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:43:43 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: More on Crossed Field Antenna?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, gb@dixie.cs.unc.edu (Gary Bishop) writes:

>What is the latest on the crossed field antenna?  I have the articles
>from Electronics and Wireless World back in 1989 and 1990 and I have
>Hately's literature.  

What Mr. Hately seems to have forgotten is the law of conservation
of energy.  Whether you "synthesize a Poynting vector" or just generate
the RF wave in the conventional manner, you can't get more watts
radiated than you input to the antenna.  

In short, it's a crock.

AL N1AL

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:33:35 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!nmsu.edu!opus!forozco@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Morse code upgrading
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

  If you want to learn morse code through a computer, get super
morse!, but, if you happen to have an HF radio, use it!  I got my
speed up from 13 to abt 25 only by operating 20 meters every free
evening I had.  (if you want super morse, it is available at many ftp sites)

  73's de Luis F. Orozco  N5UHB
          forozco@dante.nmsu.edu
   
--


Luis F. Orozco
N5UHB
forozco@dante.nmsu.edu
forozco@freedom.nmsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:09 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!alanb@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Poteniometer ratings:  Is that max value or min value?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jerryp@key.COM (J. R. Pendleton) writes:

>When a schematic calls for a potentiometer of some value (ex 15k ohms) is that
>the maximum or minimum value of that potentiometer?

It is the nominal value.  15k +/- 20% would be between 12 and 18k.

....
>  Failing that, I'm wondering about the possibilities of using a 10 or 20 kohm 
>  pot in its place.  I'm reluctant to do that - I figure the engineers at 
>  heath would have used a cheaper part if they could get away with it.
>  Could I use a 5kohm resistor in line with a 10kohm pot?

It depends on the circuit.  A 10k pot and 5 k resistor would work, with
of course less adjustment range.

AL N1AL

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:22:47 GMT
From: swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hpfcmgw!perry@network.UCSD.EDU
Subject: Power Grid Tubes - Help!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

If you're interested in a little less power, the 4CX250B makes a good
400 watt amp (down 1 s-unit from legal limit).  The hamfests in this
area are lousy with used 4CX250Bs - most of them OK.  At <$10/copy, the
price is right.

These tubes are used by chip manufacturers to etch silicon with plasma.
Rather than risk botching an entire run of expensive chips, the tube is
swapped out early with plenty of life left.

The tube itself is very well behaved.  Even a hacker like me can design
a workable linear amplifier from it.

Perry Scott
AA0ET

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:19:09 CST
From: newsflash.concordia.ca!mizar.cc.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!inqmind!robert@uunet.uu.net
Subject: REALISTIC HTX-202
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I have recently purchased an HTX-202, and would like to know if anybody 
else has experienced a problem with TX lock-up. It seems to to only 
happen in very humid conditions. I can still receive, but can't transmit, 
and the only way I can un-lock the radio is to connect external DC power.

Am I just nuts?  Did I get a bad radio,  or has anyone else had this 
problem?

Thanks,
Rob.
VE4-RRB

robert@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:48:28 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!jweiss@network.UCSD.EDU
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1992Dec8.141726.61797@cc.usu.edu>, <oxenreid.723929122@chaos.cs.umn.edu>, <1g5lrjINNlh9@topaz.bds.com>
Subject : Re: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!

In article <1g5lrjINNlh9@topaz.bds.com> ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:
>> Yup, you got it.  Simple is it not?  It is also a poor design.  A Good design > would use a Zero Crossing SCR.
>
>A Zero Crossing SCR would only be usable here if you were just turning on
>and off the light.  To dim it in any sane sense requires the dimmer firing
>during the non-zero parts of the wave form.
>

Not quite.
You just switch between cycles to keep the noise low.  The more cycles that
conduct (averaged over time) cause the bulbs to burn brighter.  Just adjust
the duty cycle to vary the amount of light.  There are probably some glue
chips around designed to implement this cheaply.  You get more discrete
changes this way, but the noise reduction is worth the additional circuity.



Jerry S. Weiss	  "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the antimatter!"
j-weiss@nwu.edu    Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School

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