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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: British interference in U.S. elections
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:21:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.124138.29721@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
>Spycatcher, by Peter Wright.  Terrible book, and Mr Wright doesn't seem
>like my sort of folk either.  However, interestingly, when the UK were
>banning it (it's unbanned now) they only banned internal publishing and
>sale.  Was totally legal to import single copies not for resale, and
>since I was visiting the US at about that time, I bought a copy and
>brought it back simply on the principle that if the government didn't
>want me to read it, it was my moral duty to own a copy.

	Yep, I bought a copy at the Stars&Stripes in Berlin just in
	time to avoid being mown down by the entire British Brigade
	out looking for copies.  The genuine absurdity is that other than
	Wrights complaints about his temporary status and rotten pension,
	there is almost nothing in there that he hadn't already flogged
	to Chapman Pincher.  The sole purpose of all of the trial nonsense
	was to discourage other intelligence officers from doing the
	same thing.

	Hands up who bought that copy of Granta with the crayon piece by
	Anthony Cavendish.

	Alec.
From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Kilt Alteration Help
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:47:53 GMT

I am just getting around to having my father's kilt altered.  He was
four inches taller than I am.  I need to know where the hem line
should fall and where the top of the kilt should be on my round little
body.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas Freebairn.  Please e-mail at tffreeba@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.canada
From: kspeicht@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca (Kevin F. Speichts)
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:37:55 GMT



	Wasn't the whole concept of "Peace Keeping" set up in the UN by a 
Canadian?  I believe the CBC had a special on this person a while back.  I 
can't remember his name though.  I think he was a professor at McGill.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Scots Wha Hae lyrics
Keywords: scots songs death dying war
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:44:55 GMT

In article <BzFwqB.q2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>Regarding Scots Wha Hae:
>Welcome to the reality of the celts.
>merry wars and sad songs.
>Haven't you ever noticed that most scottish folk music involves death, dying
>and war?  For that matter, in irish, people are always drowning.
>I still love it all tho.

As Andy M. Stewart once said during a Silly Wizard concert:

"The Scots only won two battles against the English, but they've written
600 songs about them ..."
,
Eamon

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: UK unemployment figures
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:42:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From today's "Guardian":

Scotland         9.7%
Wales           10.1%
N.Ireland       14.6%

England:
 East Anglia     8.2%
 East Midlands   9.3%
 North          11.8%
 North West     10.8%
 South West      9.7%
 South East     10.1%
 West Midlands  11.2%
 Yorks & Humber 10.3%

Now arguing from these figures, and even forgetting the huge
amount of personal debt suffered by people in the south-east
and the fact that housing costs are still much higher there,
can we still hear from all those people who are perpetually
saying what a privileged place south-east England is, how
deprived Scotland is, how the Tory party is the "South-east
England Nationalist party" etc.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:20:27 GMT

smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

>In article <28026@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>> 
>>  In this day and age of a so-called "new world order" where the United
>> Nations for once seems capable of at least enforcing some of agreed
>> upon solutions - I can't help but wonder if there will be a role for
>> the United Nations in Northern Ireland. The English, it seems to me,
>> have long claimed that they want nothing more than to get the hell out
>> but are concerned about the bloodshed that could or would (depends on who you
>> ask) result from their withdrawl. So what better solution than for the
>> British to approach the UN and ask that the World help in solving the
>> troubles in Northern Ireland? At the very least, remove British troops
>> from the Island and allow "neutral" forces to attempt to keep the
>> peace. What would be the result of such a move? Would violence be directed
>> at the UN troops? From both sides? Would the situation simply continue
>> as it has in recent years? Would either side or both feel more driven to
>> take part in serious peace talks?


>I can see logistical problems with using UN troops. Much of the Army role in
>NI involves police duties, such as checkpoints, house searches etc. That
>does require that the troops speak English (well, John Pepper might disagree...).

>The main english-speaking troops in the UN are British, Irish and American.
>The first two are obviously ruled out, and I think the various well-known
>attitudes re: Americans & the Republican movement (correct or otherwise)
>would make US troops distrusted by the Unionist camp.

Huh?  What about Canadian troops?? they are and have been on the vast
majority of UN peacekeeping missions. Also, there are Austrailian, New
Zealand.

>I doubt there are many RUC officers fluent enough in, say, German or French,
>to accompany UN patrols as interpreters. The UN undoubtedly have their
>own but would they have enough to commit one to every small patrol in
>NI?  UN activities in the Middle East etc tend to be big military operations,
>dealing with a compatitively high level of violence, I have doubts that they
>would work as well in a primarily police role dealing with small numbers of
>guerilla-type activiTies.

I think the bigger problem is that there are no distinct dividing lines,
like say that of Cyprus where Canadian, Danish and Finnish (?) troops are
presently stationed.

>Steve

>Steve McKinty
>SUN Microsystems ICNC
>38240 Meylan, France
>email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
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the smell of an election." -   John Savage, Leader of the N.S. Liberals.
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From: david@ittpub.nl (David P. Morgan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is sago?
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:55:54 WET+0100
Organization: ITT Publitec R+D BV, Amsterdam

As I remember it, sago was kinda half-way between tapioca and semolina in
texture and was common in school dinners where it was called frogspawn.
So it's cheap and yeuchy.
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From: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Ian Paisley
Date: 10 Dec 92 14:08:01 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Dec2.133809.27672@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk
(Guy Barry) writes:
> In article <1992Dec2.102117.683@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> 
>>For instance, I
>>don't think I have ever read a request from an American on the
>>lines of "give me more information about Ian Paisley and his
>>fight for freedom against the domination of the Roman Catholic
>>Church", 
> 
> They can probably all hear him over there anyway.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EXCELLANT!!

Somebody with a sense of humour in this thread....

Ciaran Ruane

Mountaineering Club
University College, Dublin		Internet: mntneer@ccvax.ucd.ie
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From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: SE living standards again (was Re: UK unemployment figures)
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:50:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Dec18.171136.9523@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>Here's something I don't understand.  Even before the slump started to
>hit the south-east, everyone living in London knew how expensive
>housing and transport costs were.  Most people there, even in
>reasonably well-paid jobs, experienced a pretty mediocre standard of
>living.  Nearly all the national media are based in London, so
>you would have expected the media to reflect this situation.
>Yet they continued to push this picture of how prosperous the South
>East was.  Why?  Were people in London and the South East trying
>to delude *themselves*?

They were serving their lords and masters in the Tory Party by
spreading their propaganda. If I should go on about northerners
and Scots promoting the myth of the rich and comfortable south,
it is because from where I am, being well aware of the real
problems of the south, it is bad enough getting Tory propaganda
from Tories without also getting it from non-Tory northern
chauvinists.

Matthew Huntbach
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scotland Demands Democracy!
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:09:07 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

cabr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>Well, on Saturday the 12th of December, 25000 protestors filled the streets
>of Edinburgh to take their greivance that Scotland has no say in who governs 

[...]
>    This may be news to Netters. The BBC did not mention it on a national
>level. The Times was not aware of it today. This is all proof of the
>manipulation of the truth to keep Britain English. BTW I was once in favour of
>the Union. 

Yes it was, it got a mention on the 6 o'clock news and News at Ten. They also
gave the figures at much less than 25,000. I think they said 5,000.

>    I would be interested to hear of notification of this turning point in 
>Scottish politics. Has anyone heard of it in the "UK" papers. If so how much?

What turning point?
Bet the Sun had something on it.

Dave
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: anlan@med.unc.edu (Anne Landin)
Subject: Re: The Fairy Flag
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:50:24 GMT

I have seen the fairy flag as I guess everyone who has visited Dunvegan
has.  As I recall, it looks like it might be a piece of linen and has some
lines or bits of color here and there.  It is just a fragment and hangs
framed on a wall.  No one really knows where it came from although there
are many legends.  It is obviously very old.  One more believable story I
heard was that it was brought back from the crusades.

The MacLeods are very superstitious about it.  My friend claimed that
before his wedding (on Skye) the weather had been miserable for days and
he went and sort of asked the flag for good weather on his wedding day and
it was.  Iam sure he could never be convinced it was coincidence.

Anne Landin
UNC-Chapel Hill
anlan@med.unc.edu
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:51:25 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Dec16.034803.25407@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
> Not that I would wish a tour of duty in NI on them, but I'm fascinated that
> you seem unaware that Canadian Forces have played a bigger role in UN
> peacekeeping than those of any other nation, and that Canada spends the
> largest portion of its Defence budget on that role than any other.

Care to expand on this? In particular, how have you determined that Canada
has "played a bigger role" than any other nation in peacekeeping? Is this
in raw numbers? A percentage of the population? As of 1980? What? Since
Canada has a "defence" budget the size of Arizona's state budget, I'm
curious just how earth-shattering the Candian effort has been if in fact
it is that impressive....
 How many Canadian troops were in the gulf? How many are in Somalia?  


			gln


Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: British interference in U.S. elections
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:30:13 GMT

In <1992Dec9.154539.14942@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1992Dec8.194656.26245@cas.org>, by jac54@cas.org ():
>> In article <1992Dec8.160940.28176@e2big.mko.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>>>
>>>In article <1992Dec8.153121.8340@news.clarkson.edu>, walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>>>|>>
>>>|>>               British searched for files on Clinton
>>>|>>                 Boston Sunday Globe (12/6/92)
>>>|>>                  -Washington Post
>>>|>>
>>>|>>
>>>|>>  [lots of stuff about British looking through files etc]
>>>|>
>>>|>I see no big deal about this. This is what I would expect from the State (
>>>|>be it British or US). The CIA, I am sure, quite happily search out
>>>|>files about left-wing prominent people in the UK, and would let it be
>>>|>leeked to the press.

Only to the Welsh press, I presume?

Bob.
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Summary: y
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:53:49 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <92352.151542RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
> Neither the Gulf war, nor the current situation in Sonalia can be described
> as UN peacekeeping. The Gulf war was not run by the UN, and the soldiers who
> took part in the Gulf war did not wear the blue helmets of UN forces.

Oh neat-  is this some sort of sporting rule? You can't play for the UN
unless you wear blue helmets??? Somehow the fact they didn't wear
blue strikes me as weak evidence that this was not a UN action...

> The US was quite adamant that the forces it committed to Somalia would be
> directed by US military leaders, and would not be directed by the UN.

 No kidding? So how exactly does that make this a non-UN action? Was this
action at the request of the UN and did not the UN resolution define
(I admit it was defined in very vague terms) the role the troops would
play in Somalia - sounds like a UN-backed mission to me...

> And has the US paid it back dues to the UN yet? (An interestingly appropriate

NOw this is very very funny - please oh please somebody who knows the facts
better than I post a breakdown of UN funding and resource supplies since
its inception - without the US the UN would never exist and the world would
probably need to look to the good old European community (hahahahahahahaha) for
leadership and support....

> point in this group. Ireland is one of the nations that the UN owes money
> to for peacekeeping services. About #13 million, I think).

 Uh huh.... 


			gln
From: craig@smo.ac.uk (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: New Runrig programme, 1-Jan-93
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:58:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


All,
	A new Runrig programme is due to be broadcast in Scotland on 1-Jan.
I got this info from the fan club magazine, but I can't find the details at
the moment as we're in the middle of moving to Edinburgh and the flat's in
chaos! So, if anyone in Scotland has the details from the Christmas 
Radio/TV Times, could they post them please. I expect this video will 
become available from the fan club in due course.

Craig

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is sago?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:26:55 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>>>Sago is the suff with the "balls" in it, while semolina is much
>>>smoother.
 
>> Tapioca is the stuff with the balls in it.  Sago is smooth,
>> just like semolina!

Ahhh!!...School dinners of a bygone era.
Sago, semolina, tapioca, runny custard and cake with pink icing, mince and
potatoes with soggy cabbage, stovies, turnip with stringey bits, strange
unidentifiable soup...

Drool, drool...

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: What is sago?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:53:39 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.182205.4812@PacBell.COM>, by rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
>> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>>
>>I have a cookbook called "Recipes from the Orkney Islands" published
>>in 1978.  One of the recipes for a tomato soup calls for something
>>called sago.  I've never heard of it.  Can someone help?
> 
> Though my dictionary says otherwise, I've always heard
> it's the same thing as semolina...
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sago is the suff with the "balls" in it, while semolina is much
smoother.

											GW

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: British interference in U.S. elections
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:14:55 GMT

In article <JIM.92Dec14115044@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.122021.8312@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>
>          There is a great deal of collaboration between the intelligence
>          agencies of the U.S., the U.K., Australia, and Canada.  This
>          includes sharing a lot of information and collaboration on
>          operations.  This goes as far as the NSA paying part of the
>          costs of GCHQ in return for a share of the take.  If the
>          agencies need to operate against a target in one of these
>          countries, they work out a liaison agreement that leaves the
>          local agency to do the work, as the target will often be of
>          interest to both parties.  In practice, they do not spy on
>          citizens of one another's countries.  They probably do,
>
>There have been reports in the UK that GCHQ has been used to get
>around the regulations imposed on the NSA. The NSA isn't supposed to
>monitor domestic telephone traffic. To get round this, NSA asked GCHQ
>to monitor the traffic they were interested in - using NSA facilities
>conveniently located at strategic places in the US telephone network -
>and then hand over any "product" to the people at Fort Meade.
>
	Bearing in mind that the NSA helps pay for the running of
	GCHQ, this should not be surprising.  I always thought that
	intelligence agencies were a legitimate subject of study.  I
	never thought they were saints.  This has turned up in well-connected
	groups like sci.crypt too.


	Alec.
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Satellite view of Ireland
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

I was looking thru Liam de Paor's "Portrait of Ireland" (St Martin's
Pr, 85) & there's a beautiful satellite view of Ireland in one of the
first few pages.  Uncredited, unlike the other photo plates.  Is
anyone familiar with the picture in this book?  How about any pointers
to other satellite/space pictures of Ireland, Scotland, Brittany, &c?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: New material and TV series for Scots Gaelic learners
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:01:47 GMT


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