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From: collins@gdwest.gd.com (Gary J. Collins)
Subject: Hell-bent on buying a Honda Accord
Organization: General Dynamics / Computer Sciences Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:22:21 GMT


A good friend of mine has said that he WILL buy a Honda Accord
tomorrow or the next day.  He is basing his purchase on no
hard facts, just that Honda has a good reputation.

He's done no research.  He has no clue.

What I want is a suggestion for the Accord model he should buy
and/or options that make the most sense and any suggestion on
the best price he can get for such.  I'm going to run out and
get Edmund's Car Pricing Guide later today so I'll know what
the dealer cost is, but I do not know the minimum mark-up on a
import in this market.

And, should anyone have an alternative automobile that
presents a better value, I'd appreciate that also.  

BTW, is the Honda leasing plan attractive?

Thanks in advance.


Gary John (Collins)


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From: jspinnow@netcom.com (John Stewart Pinnow)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Looking for ARIAS phone #
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:43:05 GMT
Organization: Tmoh Research, Milwaukee, WI

I am looking for the phone number for ARIAS. I am specifcally interested
in finding rings for a a set of ARIAS pistons. 

Thanks in advance,



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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: V6 .vs. inline 6
Keywords: 6
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:40:54 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <107@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu> johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns) writes:
>What are the difference, both real and philosophical, between the
>performance of a V6 engine .vs. an inline 6 engine?

there are lots of issues that determine whether one uses a V6 or a
straight six, but performance is not one of them.

i think that the inline 6 is losing popularity these days largely
because a V6 can be more efficiently packaged.  another point against
the straight six is that the very long crankshaft tends to suffer from
torsional (twisiting) vibrations.  most of the harshness of a badly
designed straight six is due to this.  the v6, OTOH has a very short
crank and is hence very stiff and therefore does not suffer from this
malady.

however, any good textbook on the subject of engine balancing will
reveal that an inline 6 is theoretically better balanced than a
v6.  that said, there are quite a number of very very smooth v6s
available today, and whatever theoretical advantage a straight six
has is simply that:  theoretical.

there are also some induction tricks that can be played with the 2
banks of 3 cylinders of a v6.  i don't remember the details, but
know that honda has done some fascinating work to boost low end
torque without resorting to long induction tubes, simply by using
some property of 3 cylinders.

in conclusion, i'd say be happy if you have 6 cylinders, regardless
of how they are arranged.  a good 6 cylinder engine will be far
superior to any force-fed or balance shafted 4.


eliot
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Oregon Microwave's Radar Jammer
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:18:34 GMT

davoli@natinst.com (Russell J. Davoli) writes:
>I seem to remember hearing about "stealth" car
>bras that were supposed to do something like this, but I don't know if these
>really exist either.

I dunno about bras, but for awhile there was a company manufacturing
replacement panels for Porshe's and the like that improved
stealthiness dramatically.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:52:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

To put things in perspective, the Japaness car went through a long
time before being considered reliable and ...,  so why Saturn has
to be any different?

It takes time to build reputation, not angry argument or "buy
american" threat, If Saturn keeps up, people will turn around. 

Aren't we all benefiting from Free Marcketing? 

Wei
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From: shehzad@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Shehzad Mevawalla)
Subject: FOR SALE : Mercedes 190e-2.3
Reply-To: shehzad@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Shehzad Mevawalla)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:25:14 GMT

1987 Mercedes 190e-2.3 for sale. Black with Gray interior. Superb condition.
Never exposed to the sun, fully dealer maintained (endorsments from
senior service advisor at the local dealership available. He has been 
servicing this car since new.).

It has never been in an accident of any kind, and still looks, feels and
drives perfect.

Amenities include :

Power windows, Central Locking, Cruise Control, Automatic Climate Control,
Built in Security System, Sunroof, Upgraded Stereo (anti-theft), Automatic 
Transmission, etc, etc, etc.

This is a must see car. It is sooooooooo clean that people often mistake
it for new.

Price : $12,700
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From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:52:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Gee!
I didn't know Bill Clinton posted to rec.autos!
Wow!

Jeff
Who is studying hard to become a wealthy Capitalistic exploiter!
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From: hkk38381@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Arthur Kwok)
Subject: Honda Civic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:09:06 GMT


I'm considering buying the '92 Civic DX. The dealer told me
he will top the lowest price that's available, even that
means he has to sell it below the invoice. So far, the lowest
price I've seen is 9,799 for the body and 999 for both the air
and stereo. But then, I have to pay another 117 for the passenger
side's mirror, which doesn't come with the DX. 

What I want to know is if it's true that the Civic is selling
close to its invoice everywhere now.

Besides, I've a choice of buying either a '90 Integra RS at 8,000
or a brand new Civic DX at 11,000. Which one you think has a high
economical sense???                                           ^^higher

Thanks.


Art
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:49:27 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes:

>One suggestion is start with a 50/50 mixture, isobutane/propane, by weight.
>Since this stuff weighs about half of R-12, only half the weight is needed.
>This should work for older cars.  For newer cars, you might want to start
>with 50/50, and then work up to 35/65 (weight %, about 6 oz. isobutane,
>12 oz. propane).  Race the engine on a hot day with gauges connected, and
>make sure the head pressure stays below 350-375 for 20-30 seconds before
>you are ready to run on it.  If the head pressure goes to high, dump some
>of the mixture and increase the proportion of isobutane.


This mix is too rich in isobutane and provide too low a head pressure
which will tend to flood the evaporator.  The mix that exactly duplicates
the pressure-temperature curve of R-12 is 78% propane, 22% isobutane.

Other mixes can be used if the gas bulb on the expansion valve is charged
with the new mix and the POA valve (if so equipped) is recalibrated.

This mix cools a bit better than R-12 which can result in higher high
side head pressures in marginal systems.  changing the ratios should
not be done to "correct" this problem.  Added airflow via an electric
fan will help.

The rest of the post is spot-on.

John
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From: kenb@dadd.ti.com (Ken Butler)
Subject: Car alarm recommendations
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc., Dallas, TX
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:37:31 GMT

I just bought a new convertible and am interested in putting in a car
alarm.  Does anyone out there have any recommendations or experiences with
alarms they'd like to share.  Can I get a good system for less than $1000?
Are they pretty easy to install, or should I have it done professionally?

I'd appreciate any information you have.  If there's a lot of interest,
folks can e-mail me and I'll post a summary.

Thanks.

Ken
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From: sunny@skylinx.sa.com (Sunny Heck)
Subject: Re: Another lying police incident
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:47:40 GMT

I got a ticket this month, driving 61-62 in 55.
The policeman who stopped me claimed that he clocked
me going 69, while my cruise control was set on
61-62 and when I saw him come out of the turn
in front of me, I double checked my speed.
When I told him that he was wrong and I was ONLY
driving 61-62, he said that 
"They write tickets for 62 too", and proceeded to 
write one for 62.  I feel that the speed of 69
was his best ESTIMATE of my speed, and he trapped 
me into admitting that I was speeding ( never again
will I be that gullible).  
I had my speedometer calibrated that very day,
$20 for 3 minutes of work!  MY speedometer is 
on the button! 
Moral of the story: When you are stopped and asked
if you know the reason for why you are stopped, don't
say anything!  
I spoke to a lawyer about this and basically, since
I admitted my guilt, even though I was trapped into
doing so, I am out of luck.  
p.s. A few years back, my best friend dated a policeman,
she was stopped for DUI twice, and twice all they did
was call her boyfriend to take her home.
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:35:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Jul21.183532.1234
Distribution: usa
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Jul21.145114.2326@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>Uh, does your engine ever get warmer that 212 Deg. F??  I would be it does.
>Therefore you don't have H2O in your oil...  (Boils out, don't you know).
>Carbon, ok, some.  Gas, yeah, maybe a little.  Metal shavings?  You don't

I daresay, if the water is boiling out, the gas is long gone....

Some aircraft are equipped with oil thinners for cold weather operation.
After the last shutdown of the day, a measured squirt of fuel is dumped
into the crankcase.  In the morning, it's started, and allowed to warm up
slowly.  By the time you're ready to taxi for takeoff, the gas has
boiled out of the system and either burned in the engine or been discharged
out the breather pipe.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: NYS chase cars (WAS: Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:01:45 GMT

In article <Bruu3s.93u@cs.columbia.edu> amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman) writes:

>Perhaps something that *is* new: New York will be replacing its mustangs
>with 'vettes as they clock 90k.  FYI, marked 'vettes are as hysterical
>looking as they sound...

Have you actually seen one?  From what I had read in the NY Times and
the local rag, New York will be replacing the Mustangs with high-output
Camaros, not Corvettes.  I can't see them spending THAT much money on
chase cars when the state is in such a pitiful financial mess....

-JPC

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From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:41:14 GMT

csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
> Here's a lovely tidbit on the newest patrol car in South Carolina...
> [...] BMW donated one of their sedans to the Highway Patrol division 
> of the SC Dept. of Highways and Public Transportation.  
> [...] The car is the only 5-speed patrol car with leather seats and a 
> power sunroof.  Oh yeah, it's an M5.  So if you're ever in SC, keep a 
> lookout for [...] one innocuous BMW M5 lurking on and near Interstates.  
> 
> Do any other states have any cop cars like this?


   Of course I don't know about every traffic enforcement vehicle in the
   U.S. but this would be the first cop car that I have heard of that
   was built by a non-american manufacturer. I would have said "foreign
   car", but we know that is really confusing these days. Please, no
   "but, the Crown Vic *IS* a foreign car". I meant not a GM, not a Ford, 
   and not a Chrysler product.  Hmmmmm.... I wonder when Ford will
   start manufacturing Mustangs in Korea :-)
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From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (James M. Simpson)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
    <1992Jul31.184114.2200@crc.ricoh.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:06:18 GMT
Distribution: usa

chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton) writes:

>   Of course I don't know about every traffic enforcement vehicle in the
>   U.S. but this would be the first cop car that I have heard of that
>   was built by a non-american manufacturer. I would have said "foreign
>   car", but we know that is really confusing these days. Please, no
>   "but, the Crown Vic *IS* a foreign car". I meant not a GM, not a Ford, 
>   and not a Chrysler product.  Hmmmmm.... I wonder when Ford will
>   start manufacturing Mustangs in Korea :-)
 
Centerville Ohio ( a suburb of Dayton), uses Volvos for traffic enforcement

Georgetown KY has marked Camrys (paint job, light bar, etc.)
I haven't actually seen them being used in enforcement, but Georgetown is
small enough that all their cruisers probably do a little of everything.
Of course, the Camrys are manufactured in Georgetown, so maybe they're more
American than Crown Vics.
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From: skao@booboo.tcs.com (Simon Kao)
Subject: Jeep vs. Isuzu
Organization: Teknekron Communications, Inc
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:21:49 GMT

I am still looking for a SUV. I've narrowed it down to a battle between
the new Isuzu Trooper and the new Jeep Grand Cherokee. As someone pointed
out, the Jeep's having the spare tire inside is a point against it, though
the rear seats fold flat wrt the trunk floor whereas on the Isuzu, the seats,
when folded, stick up above the floor. On the test drive, the back seat 
passenger felt more uncomfortable than in the Trooper over a rough road
probably because of Jeep's use of an inline 6 (vs. a V6) -- it moves
the passenger compartment back, and the back seat is closer to the rear
axle. That's another point against the Jeep. On its plus side, the ride
is pretty controlled; not too much body lean, reasonably sharp turn in,
and, from the driver's seat, insulation from road chatter; the brakes 
seem quite capable, and it's cheaper than a loaded Trooper.

As for the Trooper, it's much heavier for the same power, so it's a bit
slower. The ride is ok, although the feel is that it's less nimble, and
the seating position makes you feel too high off the road, compared to
the Jeep. One needs to get the LS (i.e. more expensive) model to get the
190hp engine (the 15hp more than the base engine seems to make a difference;
maybe the higher output one also has higher torque) and even then, the 
4-wheel anti-lock is extra. One other big difference is that the Isuzu
does not have shift-on-the-fly to 4wd, and so my big question is:

How important and/or useful is it to have shift-on-the-fly 4wd? Is it
really inconvenient to have to stop? If you're already in marginal 
conditions, will stopping get you in trouble? I don't actually plan
to do the Baja race, but will be light off-roading.
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Spray In A Bedliner?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:37:28 GMT
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>   I want to spray a bedliner into my Ford Ranger, but I don't want to fork
>out the $300 for what seems like an easy job. I'm wondering if these cans of
>plastic/rubber rustproofing would be good? Can anybody give details on how I
>might go about doing this myself and what materials I might use? I don't have
>a compressor so I'd like to simply use spray cans or even just paint it in
>with some kind of brush. I simply want to stop the constant scratching taking
>place in the bed from hauling stuff.
>--
J. C. Whitney in Chicago has something called Liquid Truck Bed Liner
available in their catalog. It goes for $13.99 a quart and they say
about 4 quarts are necessary for and 8 ft bed. Its semigloss black and
can be brushed on or sprayed if you have the equipment. The part number
is 14-7962y. Note that unlike undercoating, this stuff doesn't stay
tacky. You're talking $56 + shipping. They also have 1/4 inch rubber
bed mats (not full liners) for $70 + shipping but you could probably
beat that price locally.
The address and phone # are:
J. C. Whitney & Co.
1917-19 Archer Avenue
P.O. Box 8410
Chicago, IL 60680
phone (312) 431-6102 24 hrs/ 7 days a week

You might find one of their catalogs at a store with a good sized
magazine selection.
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From: mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: * ADVICE for buying car wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:17:07 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.89.16.46

I would apreciate any recomendations for buying a car. I'm looking for a 1987
or later model, stick shift and under or around $7000. Any experiences or tips
welcome. Please send all replies e-mail. Thanx,

							_Mike_

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From: George_Lin@mindlink.bc.ca (George Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Mustang, GT, 5.0L, V8
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:09:38 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Shai Livneh writes:
> with the ever annoying salesdroids, I finally got an unbelievable deal for a
> brand new LX hatchback for $10988 (unheard of considering sticker price was
> close to $17000).

$11000 US = $13000 CND.  This is very close to the going price of a new 5.0L LX
in Canada.  I think the dealership had an unreasonably high sticker price
(perhaps so they could play the price slashing game).


> I was all excited and was ready to buy the car until I found out what the
> insurance is going to be $3500 - here in the wonderful state of NJ (and this
> without my DMV points).

I assume that you are male and under 25 year of age.  US auto insurance is
_very_ expensive.  It would cost you about half as much to insure this car in
Canada.

> As for you, if you like the GT and are willing to buy one you realize you
> will pay more for a car that might look better but cost several thousand more
> and is probably slower than an LX in identical trim (engine and
transmission).

The GT is only $1500 more than a similary equiped LX.  Yes the LX is _slightly_
faster because the GT weighs about 80lbs more.

> I think it is one of the only American cars out there that I would consider
> driving since it has a big strong V8 and is rear wheel drive and is just
> purely muscular in looks and sound.

I think it is the last American car that I would consider buying since the
American warranties suck sh*t.

> As for model year, your best bet is with a 1990 and later since the mass flow
> multi-port fuel injection was installed on these cars and is superior to the
> previous fuel system.  Good like finding a car.
> Shai Livneh

Correction, depending on where you live (ie. California, Canada, etc), and
which model (convertibles) you buy, some 1989s have the MAF intake system as
well.  Mine does.  The system is not much better on a stock mustang.  MAF can
easily accomodate changes in the intake system.  The older air
velocity/pressure systems cannot.

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From: jef3@meaddata.com (Jeff Fryer)
Subject: Re: Acura Integra: How much?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.131614.1@dranet.dra.com>, chris@dranet.dra.com writes:
|> Does anyone know what these cars are really worth in todays market?
|> (What would be a good deal?)
|> 
|> Also, any comments on the car (ie repairs records) would be welcome.

Chris, I would consult the standard blue book (at local libraries or
banks) to help assess what the cars worth.

On repair records, I've owned an '87 Integra for over 5 years now and
it has been wonderful.  I've got 4 friends who own Integra's of
different model years and they all have high praise for them.
Maintenance has been minimal and the car still runs perfect for me.
Good luck in your shopping.

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