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From: dave@cs.sfu.ca (Dave Peters)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor: B.Benjamin/K.McHale
Summary: salary cap vs player value.
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:28:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.231951.26342@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner) writes:
>>The above trade rumor has been on the radio in Seattle today, apparently
>>started by somebody at NBC.  Anybody from Boston heard anything about this?
>
>You've gotta be kidding! I'ma Ben-basher, but why would Seattle possibly
>want McHale? He's only got a year or two left in him at most (if he doesn't
>retire this year), and Seattle does NOT need another power forward. Cage and
>Kemp are doing just fine, thankyou. And if they did want an aging power
>forward, Bernard King is available. I know McHale has is fans (I'm not one
>of them), and he was once an incredible player, but not anymore. Ben may not
>be worth much, but he's at least worth somebody younger.
[various sigs deleted.]

That's not quite the point. Ben is making somewhat upwards of 3M per
year, and will be under contract until at least 1995. He's about 10th
on the Sonics bench, and looks to slide further when the Sonics
reactivate Rich King.

Trading for McHale - particularly if he retires at the end of the year
- frees up a *lot* of money next year under the cap.

Now if Seattle could trade Benjamin for McHale straight up, they'd do
it in a flash. In fact, they'd probably trade Benjamin for Greg Kite
straight up.  (Of course, there's no way Orlando could make that trade
with the current salary cap rules!) If they could trade Ben
(necessarily to a team under the cap: Statmeisters?) for any throwaway
player, they'd free up enough money to keep Christie, sign their next
draft pick(s), and keep their current roster happy.

Unfortunately for Seattle, Benjamin-McHale is probably the most
reasonable trade proposed yet. McHale has a large enough salary
that Benjamin-McHale probably works whether or not Boston is under
the cap. The only difficulty is the McHale is still too productive
for the trade to go. If he sustains an injury in the next week or
two, watch out! McHale to the northwest!


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From: gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Michael Jordan scoring question
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:07:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <44050@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.071455.11654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
>gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker)
>writes:
>>Yeah, that whole week pissed me off.....my personal favorite player...THE GOD
>>OF BASKETBALL (tm) Tom Chambers scored 63. I think that same night or the 
>>night after Karl "I travel everytime I get the ball" Malone scored 65 to make
>>sure no newscaster told of the feat. Then a couple nights later Michael "You 
>>too can score 30 ppg if you put up 50 shots a game" Jordan scored the 69
>>to make sure no one would out do him for the year....
>
>This is trivia, but I happen to know it, so I just can't let it go by:
>
>It was 60 by Chambers, 61 by Malone the following night, and 69 by
>Jordan later that week.
>
>
>Prediction:
>
>This article which I am posting now will not be a candidate for MVP
>(Most Valuable Post) this season.  :^)
>-- 
>Tony Minkoff                            aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
>cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu                cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu
>"This quote is in this .sig for no particular reason."

Well pardon the hell out of me 8-)


Then again, any post which mentions Tom Chambers should be up for MVP 8-)

Then again, people are ticked because I dare to tarnish the name of every
bandwaggoner's dream, Michael Jordan, he is not the best to ever play this
game

That title would either go to oscar Robertson or Wilt the stilt

Jeff Hawkins
"If you do not prefer death, then how about a rubber chicken?"
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:17:23 GMT

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:

>The local news stations in Salt Lake City are reporting tonight that some 
>Portland Trailblazers have been connected with the sexual abuse of some 
>local teenage girls in their hotel during their recent stay here. They didnt 
>say which team members were involved, only that there is an investigation 
>going on.

>MORE TO COME!

>Jeff Jonsson

Jeff, even though I live in Portland, which could lead someone to think
I'm biased towards the TrailBlazers (I'm not.  I'm originally from
Ohio and love the Cavs, God help me!), I would hope that you would have
better control of what you post.  The REAL news is that Salt Lake City
Police are investigating a complaint filed by the parents or legal guardians
of three teenage runaway girls against members of the Portland TrailBlazers.
The complaint charges the involved Blazers of sexual misconduct.  The girls
are listed as "underage", which in Utah is younger than 16, the age of
legal consent in that state.  The runaway girls are from a Salt Lake City
suburb called Murray.  The complaint states that the girls were befriended
by members of the Blazer's team on Saturday afternoon/evening at a shopping
mall adjacent to the hotel in which the Blazers were lodged, and the girls
were invited to a party at the hotel that evening.  As yet, no one has been
charged and the earliest in which any charges could be filed would be today,
Tuesday.

I think it's extremely important that the details are given if you're going
to post something of this magnitude on the net.

allen

From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 18:21:36 GMT
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE  Denver 106  Dallas 91  Jan.16.92
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro

>
>This was an incredibly ugly game.  The MIGHTY NUGGETS trailed Dallas at
>halftime, probably an aftershock of the Oliver Woofing Theorem after I
>said that Denver would beat Minnesota last week.

Ugly maybe, but fun because I was there.
 
>Chris Jackson didn't play in the 2nd half, his injured foot acting up
>again.  But Robert Pack continues to do well off the bench.  Mutombo
>dominated play inside, Derek Harper was unconscious.

I was wondering why Chris Jackson didn't play the second half.  Pack
made some incredible plays (dunks) which ignited the crowd and gave
the Nuggs some momentum.  Drerek Harper!!  He made several 3pt baskets
from several feet *behind* the three point line.

GregB
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: left handed teams
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:06:52 GMT
	<1993Jan20.163706.23359@newstand.syr.edu>
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU's message of 20 Jan 93 21:37:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.163706.23359@newstand.syr.edu> bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams) writes:
Path: fed!uunet!psinntp!newstand.syr.edu!mothra.syr.EDU!bewillia
   From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams)
   Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
   Date: 20 Jan 93 21:37:06 GMT
   References: <1ji47jINN697@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <19JAN199321540481@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>
   Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
   Lines: 44

   In article <19JAN199321540481@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:

		   [ Request stuff about lefties deleted ]
   >>PF:????
   >>SF:Mullin,C
   >>C :Robinson,D
   >>PG:????
   >>SG:????
   >> 
   >>thanks for any help!
   >
   >Kenny Anderson and Steve Mix pop into mind.  Mark Eaton is left handed but
   >you've already got a better center.  MAybe you could move Bob Lanier to
   >power forward?
   >

	   If you're not going to go solely with active players, then I'd suggest
   placing Robinson on the bench for Bill Russell.  Larry Bird writes and eats
   left-handed, but is a righty shooter, so I guess he doesn't count.
	   Actives that merit consideration, off the top of my head, are Derrick
   Coleman, Kenny Anderson, and Stacey Augmon.  I'm sure there are more, but I
   can't think of any right now.  So I guess that'd make my active all-lefty
   team:

   PF:  Derrick Coleman
   SF:  Chris Mullin
    C:  David Robinson
   SG:  Stacey Augmon
   PG:  Kenny Anderson

	   Now who am I forgetting...

...Not that they're good, but these are lefties: Johnny Dawkins, Sam Perkins,
and Wayman Tisdale, Anthony Mason, Stacey King, not sure about Sarunas,
Gatling, Turner, T. Davis, Lohaus, and Cage?  
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From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (The batman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: << Celtics come back to inconsistancy
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:29:34 GMT
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)

Somebody said on the net Celtics come back to inconsistancy.  But I think
there is excuse for that.  First of all, Celtics played so many games
together last two weeks (I think it's like 11 games in 17 days or something
like that) and begin at last Wednesday, Celtics will have 6 days off.  What
crazy schedule is for Celtics.  I think this teams was just tired when
they played Magics and Bulls.  Mchale and Parish is not 25 years old anymore,
they just can not keep up with those crazy schedule.  I think Celtics will
do better when their schedule become more stable.
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From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Opening introductions
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:02:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

> alot of teams are copying the Chicago Bulls opening introduction with the
> "Eye in the Sky" introduction theme.

	I believe LSU used to do this when Pistol Pete was packing them in.
Maybe Jordan et al. are paying homage to the great innovator, who should've
waited 20 years to be born and then maybe the NBA would've been ready for
him.

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE mia33por32.14jan93 Portland 104 Miami 93
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:22:36 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

In article <1k48tcINNfl@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> belo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Bela M. Voigt) writes:

>Could someone please explain "the weak/strong side" ?
>THANX in advance

     The strong side of the court is the side that the ball is on; the
weak side of the court is the side without the ball.
     (By "side of the court" I mean left side or right side, not front
side or back side.)  
     For example, if Gary Payton of the Sonics dribbles all the way to
the right sideline, the right side of the court is the strong side and
the left is the weak side.
     If Payton throws a crosscourt pass to Nate MacMillan, on the opposite
sideline, the positions are now reversed:  the left is now strong, the
right is now the weak side.
     What I don't know is how to describe a situation when the ball is
in the middle of the court.  
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From: ojt@cs.brown.edu (Oren J. Tversky)
Subject: Re: UPDATE to atl40orl35.26jan93
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:47:25 GMT



Does anybody else find this line sort of amazing?  

orl (18-17)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
tolbert,tom       43  10  18   0  0   4  5   7 16   0  3  0  2  0  0  0  0   24


							Oren
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Brian Williams???
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:29:05 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan22.182519.14568@microsoft.com>, chrisgro@microsoft.com (Christopher Gross) writes:
> Does anyone have information about Brian Williams' status?

Yup  -  looney as a toon.....




			gln


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From: militell@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (ferruccio militello)
Subject: need : BOXSCORE of Boston Celtics
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:46:58 GMT
Summary: need : BOXSCORE of Boston Celtics

Can someone mail me the boxscore of Boston Celtics ?

I'm italian student and my surname is "Xavier", yes the
number 31 of Boston : Xavier McDaniel and for this reason
that I would have always, if possible, the boxscore.

If anyone is interesting I can give some information on Italian
Championship 

Tanks in advance

					Ferruccio Militello

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From: solnek@turtle.fisher.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Top 5 NBA Centers
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:39:21 CDT
Organization: Fisher Controls International, Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan27.164147.19093@rti.rti.org>, wgr@rti.rti.org writes:

> By the way, Shaquille O'Neal will never be a star in the NBA until he cuts
> down on his turnovers (and learns to hit his free throws).

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Shaq is a star. Compare the average road gate
for Orlando last year and this year. Every owner in the NBA is glad to see
Shaq come to town, and just try to get a ticket next year!

p.s. Poor foul shooting didn't seem to prevent Wilt (a.k.a "The Stilt", 
     "The Big Dipper") from being a star in the NBA.
From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:59:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>>
>Now wait a second, I could have sworn I have seen a bumper sticker on some
>of the Blazer's bags that says "Mormon girls do it better"....It's what
>Brigham Young would have wanted, keep 'em barefoot, and with any luck,

>pregnant..8-)
Could you guys try harder to remember this is a basketball group.  Some
people don't appreciate your little bits of trash.  Or maybe its just that
your teams aren't playing well enough to deserve talking about on the nets.


> 
>has to come at someone else's expense....who better than the Blazers)
> 
>Jeff Hawkins
>"If you do not prefer death, then how about a rubber chicken"
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Jordan #23 always?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:24:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.013635.271@cs.wisc.edu> gopher@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz) writes:
>I saw the most reedickulus piece of Michael Jordan merchandise today - 
>
>   Michael Jordan valentines!
>
>When will it (ever) stop?

This is just a wild guess, but maybe when people stop buying the stuff?
From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Usernet All star team
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:55:52 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	Where's Larry Nance in this discussion?
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: How's this trade?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:10:25 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.165006.799@Princeton.EDU> dmjoffe@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Michael Joffe) writes:
>In article <1k1olqINNdku@shelley.u.washington.edu> chris@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster) writes:
>>Doug Christi + Benoit Benjamin  for Sam Bowie + ???
>>
>>yeah? yah?
>>
>
>
>I've heard something like this here in Jersey too.  The only reason I
>can see for this trade is that Benjamin is Willis Reed's nephew.
>From a Nets standpoint, I hope ??? = Rumeal Robinson.  It cant be anyone
>decent, and it better not be a draft pick.
>
>Dave

Funny, the Boston Globe reported rumours of Kevin McHale for those two...

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From: yuval@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Yuval Rottenstreich)
Subject: Re: Some Warriors jokes
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:50:22 GMT


I omit here a lot of stuff he wrote in response to Chuck Alpert, but
  I think the gist of the message is here.

Terry Wong writes:

>..........  you are really stretching it by saying that
>Nelson is a lousy GM.   Certainly, there are many GM's around the NBA that
>have done a far worse job.  Nelson has had his share of both
>successes and failures.  

Im not sure what kind of a defense of Nellie this is supposed to be.

Youre basically saying he's not as bad as some other GM's

I think even that may, in a certain sense, be wrong

With the possible exception of the Dallas and San Antonio
  managements there is no management team in the league that has been
  around as long as Nelson has (about 15 years, first in Milwaukee then
  in Golden State) and never taken a team to the championship finals.

Let me go thru it:

New York- Checketts, Grunfeld and -->Riley
New Jersey- Reed, whomever, and -->Daly
Boston- obviously people here have been to the finals
Orlando, Washington, Miami and Washington
   are all run by relatively new managements that were part of the
   Sixer management during their championship 83 year
   ( nonot that I thinktz, Williams, etc are geniuses)

Chicago- obviously they have championship winners
Milwaukee, Detroit, Charlotte, Atlanta all have GMs who are relatively
   inexperienced (ie previously they were solely coaches with no
   front office input or were assistant GMs)
Im not sure about Donnie Walsh and Wayne Embry's histories

Utah has a relatively new management (about 7 years)
Minnesota has McCloskey
Denver has Bickerstaff in his first GM job
Houston went to the finals in 86 and the Pattersons are still there in
  one form or another
San Antonio (McCombs and Bass) and Dallas (Carter, Sonju, Sund)
  have all been around for more than ten years (in McCombs case
  previously with Denver) and have never reached an NBA final

Colangelo in Phoenix reached a final although it was long ago
Portland obviously has
Seattle's Whitsitt is relatively new
Lakers' management has obiously been there
Clippers' management, if you can call it that, if you count
  only Baylor is relatively new (less than 10 years certainly)
  and of course Brown won in NCAA and ABA finals
Sacramento's managment has a GM of less than 3 years' tenure


that leaves Nelson as one of the three or so "management teams" 
  in the NBA to be around basically forever and never get their
  team to an NBA final

Im not saying he's the third worst GM in the league, but the comparisons
  above do beg the question of:


If he NEVER in all that time produced a true contender,
  what makes you think the future will be any different


if he wasn't part owner of the Warriors he would have been gone long
  ago

>					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Barkley - the man
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:37:32 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <C1FA3v.91C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b26@dcl-nxt40.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>In article <gfLlUTC00aw_IAOks_@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
>
>Your dissertation on Charles seems to leave out the fact that he will  
>never be regarded as a legend of the game because of his antics.  I can  
>see the record books now:
>

Hmm...  Ty Cobb... one of the games biggest asses, and one of it's biggest
legends...   

The main thing that seperates Charles and the rest is that he has not won a
championship yet...
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From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Smokers in the NBA?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:31:39 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
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This was keyed by the gossip from Jim Hori that Vlade Divac
smokes 2 packs of Marlboros a day (for which he - Vlade, not Jim - 
should be shot and then suspended. If his game was as consistent
as Hakeem's or Daugherty's then no one would have a right to
criticize).

Any other known cigarette smokers in the league?

			R.S.

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