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From: Edward_Lunny@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Lunny)
Subject: S.CAl schedule-late April 93
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:17:59 GMT

When does the 1993 major league schedule come out and in what publications.
It seems I got one last year in the USA today.  A friend is going to be in
L.A. and San diego in the last 2 weeks of April and would like to know what
the schedules will be for the Dodgers, A's, and Padres while he is there.
Appreciate any help.  Thanks.
--

 " Ted "
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Old-fashioned hitters (was Best Playes (sic) of All Times)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:53:51 GMT

In article <1h7o24INNi17@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>
>Several people have now said that the total batting average today
>is much the same as it was in the 1920s and 1930s. Is this true?
>It seems to me that a couple of days ago some folks were saying
>that "Yeah, Pie Traynor hit .320 (or whatever) but the whole league
>at that time hit .302 (or whatever)."  Which is correct?  (I keep
>all my reference books at home, so I have no way to check it
>now.)

The leagues did hit for higher average in the 20s; the AL was notably
high in the 30s; both leagues were notably low in the 60s. I did not
mean to say that averages are the same today as they were then,
although I think it came out that way. 

League batting averages have been roughly 265 +- 20 for most of this
century.

Below 245: 1904-05 AL;1906-09 NL;1908 AL; 1910 AL; 1963 NL; 1965-68 AL;
  1968 NL; 1972 AL
Above 285: 1921-22 ALNL; 1923 NL; 1924 AL; 1925 ALNL; 1927 AL; 1929-30
  NL; 1930 AL; 1936 AL

The point is that league leaders numbers have changed much more
radically than the league figures as a whole, because the Governors of
the Game try to keep the figures roughly constant.

>--
>Jim Mann            
>Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

Clay D.
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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:58:38 GMT

In article <kbanaian.113.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
	kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:

>Thought I'd bring out the numbers here.  These data were printed in the 7/2/
>92 issue of _Financial World_.  They are for the 1991 season.
>	Gate	Media	Stad.	Total	Player	Oper.	Oper.
>Team	Rec.	Rev.	Rev.	Rev.	Costs	Exp.	Inc.

Thanks for doing this. Interesting numbers...

>NYY    $19.4   $61.0   $ 7.4   $90.0   $29.8   $59.6   $30.4

Wow! Who did their TV deal? That's more than for any of the teams broadcast
by "superstations"...

>LA	26.6	32.5	18.0	79.3	36.0	72.0	 7.3
>NYM	22.9	50.0	16.0	91.1	35.2	70.4	20.7
>Tor	44.5	30.0	12.0	88.7	29.7	62.4	26.3

Interesting Blue Jay numbers.

Sure, they drew more than anyone else, but certainly not two thirds more
than the Dodgers. Must be those disgusting ticket prices giving them
those turbo-charged gate numbers.

I'm also surprised that the Jays media money isn't larger. The vast
majority of their games are on the tube in Canada, spread between three
different networks (CBC, CTV, TSN) over and above their slice of the CBS
and ESPN money. Unlike with the Braves, there's no cross-ownership to cloud
the issue.

The Jays' radio network also appears to cover a larger geographic area
than most ML teams.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Old-fashioned hitters (was Best Playes (sic) of All Times)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:01:26 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: birch.meaddata.com

In article <8197@news.duke.edu> fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>
>	When comparing the best hitters of today with the best hitters
>of yesteryear, there seems to be some idea that, although cumulative
>batting averages of an earlier era were higher than those of today, the
>actual talent level of today is higher.  Like, maybe pitchers are
>better, so it's generally harder to hit.
>	Did anybody ever consider that maybe the hitters from the '30s,
>or the 'Teens, were just better hitters than today's players?

Not enough data to prove this one way or the other.  Probably will *never*
be proven.

>	I suggest that today's baseball players cannot hit like their
>predecessors because of a change in the way kids grow up.  Kids don't
>play baseball day in and day out like they used to.  The best baseball
>players growing up now play organized baseball from the time they are
>five years old.  They go to practice once or twice a week and play games
>once or twice a week until they get to high school.

I've noticed in the last 10 years, at least around here, kids *aren't*
playing ball like they used to.  I haven't the slightest idea why this
may be, or if it is indeed a national trend.  I heard last week that
only 4% of the kids in a survey named baseball as their favorite sport.

We are, indeed, headed for national ruin.

>	What are they doing the rest of the time?  Probably playing
>basketball.  You don't need organization, you don't need a bunch of
>neighborhood kids, if you want to go out in the driveway to shoot some
>hoops.  You can do it all by yourself.  But if you're a kid in America
>today, you're not going to be able to find enough people to go out and
>play baseball every day, even if you want to, and even if you have
>someplace to play.

Whoa, wait a minute!  When I was a kid, 3-on-3 baseball was the rule and
*not* the exception!  When we had 9 guys on both sides, it seemed like
half the free world was there.

We even played 2-on-2 sometimes.  It can be done, trust me!

Maybe kids today just aren't imaginitive enough.  All we needed was a
ball, a bat, a dead-end street and 6 people.

No dibs on windows, though.

>
>fls@keynse.econ.duke.edu

--
Doug Ritter (dougr@meaddata.com)

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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.193739.29847@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> 
> Wallach is a 10-and-5 player, which means he had to agree to the
> trade, I think...which shows you what a classy person he is...since
> the Expos chances in the near future are probably better than the
> Dodgers chances.   Wallach allowed the Expos to do the right thing
> for the Expos, even though it may not have been the absolute best
> thing for Tim Wallach.

Wallach has always been a classy person. I wish him well in L.A.

Keith Mews
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: EXPOS :TEAM TO BEAT IN THE EAST
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:41:41 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

djcoll04@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Hello.  This is my first time on the network and I am a major Expos fan.  I
>attended ten games last year, including the two 17 inning marathons in St.
>Louis and Chicago.  Hey, I've got credentials!!!!
if you were in los angeles, you would have stayed 10 innings later than
 most of the fans there...congrats!  ever notice how the fans in long games,
 who stay, almost form a comradery?  well, i don't know if it happened
 in your case, but who knows.

>Finally, as optimistic as I am about the coming season for Montreal, I would
>still have to pick the Mets to win it.  Their injury problems, lack of
>chemistry, and infield clumsiness will be largely eliminated by the '93 season
you know ho.jo is back at third, right?  not as bad as the new york media
 would lead you to believe, but he's no star player.  the overall
 infield defense is probably just barely above average (im' assuming 
 schofield is above average).  but i don't think that the main problem 
 last year will be corrected by the starting pitching coming back, but
 the main problem was the lack of people getting on base, and hitting,
 and i don't see them doing anything to change it.

- bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.162223.11412@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
)In article <1992Dec23.024452.24795@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
)>Wyche did not try to unilaterally ban women reporters from the locker
)>room, but attempted to secure the privacy of his players while they
)>were bathing and void of clothing.  He erected a temporary wall in the
)>locker room with blankets or some such and told the women reporters
)>that they could ask to talk to any player, and that player, if he was
)>not dressed, would put on something and come outside the barrier/wall
)>to answer their questions.
)
)Okay, so Wyche took it upon himself to suddenly, after years in the league
)as a head coach, decide that women reporters should not have equal access
)to the athletes.  If he was so worried about his player's privacy, why
)hadn't he done anything before now?  Why didn't he exile men reporters?
)TV cameras?

Looks like a definite <NACK> to me.  A definite misstatment of aaron's (and
my) position.

The whole point was that Wyche did *not* change the equal access rules.
He decided to change the access rules for *everybody*.  And he still got
shot down.  (Which is also what I was saying.)

...

)Perhaps if Wyche had dealt with the real problem of the players and their
)attitudes toward women, instead of tacitly supporting those attitudes, his
)"fathering" would have been more effective.

That sounds rather unrealistic to me.  A head coach is not in a position
to do a lot of psychological work on his players.  It's  not clear that the
players had 'real problems with their attitude' towards women, either,
(unless one believes 'group sex' is inherently bad and evil, of course)  nor
is it clear that Wyche supported these allgedly 'bad' attitudes.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: Dodger News 
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:20:37 GMT

In article <1h3nq4INNki7@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
> Darryl Strawberry is working out every day and he says his back
> feels GREAT.  He says he fully expects to be ready by the
> beginning of Spring training.
>

    I'm sure Darryl will be ready to play, we now just have
    to wait and see if he will deliver

    I'm one of several Dodger fans that believes Darryl will
    have a banner '93 season

> Eric Davis says he feels better than he has in years.  He says
> he is going to adjust his style of play and try not to sacrifice
> his body going all out to catch baseballs.  One catch isn't worth
> missing so many weeks due to injury.
>

    IF this is an accurate statement that can be attributed to Mr Davis
    then we can expect nothing from him this year

    Talking about avoiding injury is the fastest way to DL!

> Ramon Martinez is excited about his upcoming marriage in January.
> He says he feels ok, but he has not worked out all winter.
>

    He better not work out! His arm needs rest and we need his arm

    Maybe now that Todd Worrell is in the pen, Orel and Ramon can
    start taking the late innings off, thus giving their arms
    more needed rest
    
> 					BleedsDodgerBlue
> 

   Keep the LA news coming ... whats the ROSTER look like, 
   How do the Dodgers look by position ? Where are they thin ?
   Will the Dodgers be a .500 (or better) club in '93 ?

Thanks,
Chris
Once a Dodger fan...Always a Dodger fan!

-- 
"Any comments, opinions, and views expressed here (on Usenet) are MINE
and are in no way shared nor endorsed by my employer."
                        christopher raczka
From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Schmidt / Philadelphia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:36:13 EST
Organization: Suncrest, Fairlawns, & Mulberry Frisbee Club

   In a discussion about Mike Schmidt, Len Reed posts.....

 > Hell, they booed Santa Claus in Philly.  They boo the kids who don't
 > find any eggs on Easter Sunday.  Booing a civic pasttime.  I don't

   The way I heard it was "When there's no game in town, they go out
   to the airport and boo bad landings."

 |__________________________|______________________________________|
 | Bob Campbell             |                                      |
 | bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM | "Think not of the hours wasted...    |
 | ...!emory!gwinnett!bc    |  but of all yet to be tasted."       |
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From: jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Re: Holiday Gift
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 11:03:39 GMT

In article <92359.120015BARBER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, BARBER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Wayne Barber) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.000338.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The
> Econoclast) says:
>>As a holiday gift to MLB and especially Bud Selig, I hereby
>>offer to spend my sabbatical next year as the next commissioner of MLB.
...
>>  only $30K plus expenses and I'm yours, Buddy Boy
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Too bad.  You think too much like an owner.  Expenses is where the numbers
> get cooked.

On the contrary, if I think like an owner, I must be perfectly
qualified for the job. 

Let's see, I'll need penthouse apts in all the MLB cities, several
gratuituous unlimited credit cards, some new clothes, and enough of a
support budget to hire some folks from the net.

-- 
  Regards,

  John Palmer    London, Ontario       Voice: (519) 661-3533     FAX: 661-3666
  reply to jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca       The Economics Institute for Journalists
  ============================================================================
  The New Economics: Overlapping Generalizations & Rationalized Expectorations
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who are the best pitchers of our generation?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:52:18 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

where's the person who supported seaver and palmer?

i remember there was someone who sent me private email after i said
 something roughly like "clemens is the best pitcher of the past 
 40 years, including koufax".

and he mentioned that he thought seaver and palmer were better, among others.

unfortunately, he didn't want to post here because he thought that 
 people would abuse him, etc.  well, abuse is the wrong word, but you
 know what i mean.

anyhow, i still think clemens is the best, although i think that seaver
 is better than his "pure" stats indicate.  maybe it's because i'm 
 influenced by that all powerful new york media.

- bob gaj
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bay Area baseball
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada


In article <4200363@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:

>Outfield - (LF) Bonds (CF) Martinez/Lewis (RF) McGee
                                           ???????????

I thought they traded Willie for a catcher, or something like that??



....al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: 1992 Mets
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:24:07 GMT

In article <1h04v9INN429@network.ucsd.edu> rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger) writes:
>Is there any doubt that management has gone into the Donald-Grant-Joan-
>Payson-Let-the-Team-Sink-and-reel-in-the-Bucks-Mode? Look at there

It wasn't Joan Payson.  She became ill in 1975 and died in 1976.  Yes,
Donald Grant is the main source of the blame, but a lot has to go to
Lorinda deRoullet, Joan Payson's daughter, who inherited the team after
her mother's death.  Don't put that blame on Joan Payson, she doesn't
deserve it!

>recent moves. SIgning Joe Orsulak, then letting go of the entire
>bench, including Sasser, just as he was demonstrating that he might yet
>become a real catcher.

A real catcher who couldn't return the ball to the pitcher without
problems.  It was getting "dangerous" as some teams had begun to take
advantage of this.  Sasser also wasn't the best game caller.  He did get
into grooves, but he was not consistant.  He could hit, however, and I
find it hard to believe that they couldn't make room for a left handed
hacker!

> Also their most glaring need for the past three
>years is still unfilled - a left hander in the bullpen behind Franco.

Al Harazin has said that he would like a left hander, but he has a right
hander who dose just fine getting out lefties.  If that's the case, then
having a left handed setup man is a desire and not a necessity.  I'm not
sure who he was referring to, but he seemed happy with the situation.
I'm not.

>Old Met fans will remember when Mickey Lolich was brought in as the
>last piece in the puzzle, followed by ten years of mediocraty. Hellooooo
>Frank Tanana!

No, Harazin explained this, too.  Lolich was brough in as a "savior"-type
after they traded Seaver.  Lolich was expected to come in, win 20 games,
and lead the Mets staff.  Tanana was aquired as a fifth starter and will
the the guy who will be bumped early in the season becuase of the number
of off days to get more innings for the Big 3 (Gooden, Saberhagen, and
Fernandez).  All Harazin says he wants from Tanana is the ~200 innings
and the ~3.00 ERA he gave the Tigers last year.  Harazin also noted the
success of lefthanded junk-ball pitchers (Bobby Ojeda, John Tudor, etc.)
who have crossed over from the AL to the NL as a sign this might be a
good move.  Maybe, but he's still 39 years old!

>Actually, with Gooden and HoJo healthy, I think they will do better then
>some people on the net think. Just good enough to be their old frustrating
>selves.....

And maybe stay 10 games ahead of the Marlins?!  :-)

-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Date: 25 Dec 92 16:59:29 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <Dec.25.11.18.10.1992.29937@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>just a point...
>
>i think wallach is as bad an offensive player as everyone else
> here on the net, but...looking in my STATS books from
> '92 and '91 seasons, wallach is 2nd best in the majors last
> year (in limited time) and 4th in the n.l. in '91 (which
> correspodns roughly to average) in range.  
>
>so why does everyone refer to him as a poor fielder?  
> - bob gaj

Wallach is still an excellent fielder. But he had the worst BA for
regular players (3.1 AB per game). His leadership will be missed. I
heard an interview with him on a Montreal radio station yesterday. He
sounded disappointed. It would have been his last to chance to play in
the WS.
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:01:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.213819.2158@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>Quite right.  I don't follow the NL as well as I could.  I stand corrected.
>(I was wondering why I had never heard of an Expo named Hansen...)
>
>Do you call everyone an idiot every time you have the opportunity to 
>correct them?

Do you flame everyone who have better information than you do, like Dave
Nieporent?  (After all, it's a flame of yours that brought the
counter-flame from Ted.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves land Maddox !!
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:41:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <825.2B36BCB7@gisatl.FIDONET.ORG> deitch@gisatl.FIDONET.ORG (David Deitch) writes:

|>Dateline Thu, 17/Dec92 04:13.
|>In , Mike Marler of ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU  wrote to All at 1:133/411,

|> MM> incurred in using Atlanta-Fulton County.  The Braves 
|> MM> did at least cut costs by dropping minor (and rookie) 
|> MM> league teams in (or after) 1991.
|
|>  What is this about dropping the farm teams?  Not that I am aware...

The farm system was reviewed and changed after the GM change.  The Braves
had either the first or second largest number of teams in the ML.  The Braves
definitely did away with a Rookie league team and an A level team (I think
they may have done away with one more team as well).  They moved the AA
team to Macon and reorganized the management of the scouts.

|> MM> TBS did that when the team was below .500 and I am not sure 
|> MM> what the Braves pay other than the annoucers.  I think 
|> MM> TBS gets (still got before) good ratings due to the lack 
|> MM> of BB on the tube.  They can raise advertising costs; I 
|> MM> sure ain't worried about 'em.

|>    WCW paid for it while the braves were in the doghouse.  The lack of baseball has nothing to do with it - we just played the best baseball.

I have not made myself clear.  The Braves had a "large" following even before
Bobby Cox was GM of the team (maybe before then) due the fact that you
could watch them in a large number of cable markets.  Yet the major
networks were not and still are not showing much baseball other than
the playoffs.

|> MM> I can not handle the fact that people like WCW (wonder if 
|> MM> Prime Time can wrestle - he sure has the mouth :-) .  
|> MM> Turner and Turner Broascasting are not hurting.

|>    Only by cable deregulation.

Latest rumor is that Turner Broadcasting might be for sale.

|> MM> Better start worrying about Avery's contract next.

|>    Nah, the kid has a few more years of indentured servitude...

:-) I think he has 2 years.  I would hope they offer him a new contract
after the end of this year.

Only two more months to Spring training!
-- 
Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.