HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Weatherwax
Keywords: weatherwax
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:02:45 GMT


In article <BuMzut.4rv@news.udel.edu>,
kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst) writes:

|>	Oh, a note to all of the mysoginists who claim that it's the female 
|>factor that does it.  If that were the case, then how come the wizards haven't
|>  resorted to homosexuality.  It's the sex itself, not the gender that is the
|>problem.

Ah, but apparently they have.  There's a passage somewhere (don't remember which
DW book) that talks about apprentice wizards leaving Unseen University due to
"lingering heterosexual desires" or words to that effect.

--PSW
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From: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett)
Subject: Signings                                
Cc: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:02:00 +0000

Because I get asked about this stuff, here's a current (subject to changes)
list of UK signings for the next few months.  Some are still being finalised,
which is why I might not yet be certain about time, shop, etc.  And if
there's a question mark its because things are pencilled in but might not be
100% finalised:

NORWICH, Sherrat and Hughes 1pm 28 September
LONDON, Dillons, Gower St (pm) 2 October
CAMBRIDGE, Heffers (midday?) 3 October
BATH, Waterstones (midday) 6 October
EXMOUTH -- evening talk and signing at the library, possibly bookshop signing
late afternoon) 7 October
YEOVIL, Ottakars (midday, and talk at library in evening)
HUDDERSFIELD, Greenhead Bookshop (midday sometime) October 28.
LONDON -- Richmond Library, evening, 11 November (?)
          Various central London signings 12 November
          I think Guildford or Croydon singings are in the frame
          for the 13th, but are not yet settled -- there's also likely to be
          something with the good old 'Sign of the Dragon' bookshop in East
         Sheen.
          Forbidden Planet, November 14.
From then on until November 26 the following towns/cities seem to have drawn
the short straw: Bangor, Chester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh,
Aberdeen, and possibly Dundee.

Faraway places with strange sounding names...

I also seem to be doing a singing at W H Smiths in Brussels on October 17.
I'm not sure why.

And for the Australians out there: Transworld in Australia seem much keener
this year on concentrating in Western Australia.  They don't see much mileage
in another tour in the east only a year after the last one.

Terry
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From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Re: box =/= balls
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:22:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Keywords: American slang?

In article <18ppmjINNqqh@agate.berkeley.edu> lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert) writes:
>In article <BuELnD.50z@newcastle.ac.uk> Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:
>>hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:
>>>Interesting. I've also heard that "box" is slang (American) for labia.
>>
>>Labia?!?! Vagina surely.
>
>American slang?  It's certainly not any US slang _I've_ ever heard,
>and I've lived in many different places in this benighted country.
>
>Canadian slang, maybe?

I've heard it and seen it in American (US) books as slang for vagina
(or rather, "female genitals" in general).  Probably the best use was
by Peter Shickele who told a shaggy dog story about P.D.Q. Bach being
noted for his wigs.  He was playing in a quartet when a violinist
broke a string.  P.D.Q. Bach replaced it with a hair from his wig,
"that being the first recorded instance of someone using a Bach's
(box) hair for a g string".

Evan Kirshenbaum
    HP Laboratories
    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U
    Palo Alto, CA  94304

    kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
    (415)857-7572
From: lgt1@ohm.york.ac.uk (Laurence Tyler (Guest - CompServ))
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Annotated TP: small addition
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:25:00 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Here's a small addition for the Annotated Pratchett File - it's
fairly obvious but I've just re-read Wyrd Sisters and it had me
rolling about!

The Fool has just removed Greebo (Nanny Ogg's cat - but only in a
technical sense!) from his head and put him down in the forest,
where he (the Fool) is about to get lost:

"Greebo's grin faded slowly until only the cat was left, which was
almost as spooky as the other way round."

- a reference to the cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland, in which
the cat disappears slowly leaving only the grin. Or was it Through
the Looking Glass? I don't remember.... and I've forgotten the page
number reference as well... sorry! Not much of an annotation this,
but I'm going to post it anyway	:-)

There was mention some time back of a league table of favourite TP
books. Well, I'd put TWO votes in for Wyrd Sisters, even though
other folk in this group didn't seem to rate it too highly as I
remember. The characters of the three witches and their foibles as
well as being hilarious seemed to be very well researched - I kept
thinking "I know someone just like that..."

Favourite bit (please excuse paraphrasing): near the beginning of
the book. The wind is howling, the rain lashing and lightning
stabbing down irregularly...

Magrat shivered and pulled her cloak around her.
  "What's to be afraid of?" she said.
  "Us" said Granny Weatherwax, primly.

Second favourite bit: Magrat breaks open the dungeon door by
reminding it that it was once a tree, and that it is spring outside.
- not so much funny as just a very nice bit of imagery.

I'm looking forward to reading 'Witches Abroad' when the paperback
comes out soon. Sorry, Terry - and any other authors out there - it's
not that I don't think you deserve the money, just that hardbacks
these days are a rip-off: paper quality hardly any better than
paperbacks; overpriced, and they don't fit in your bookcase.
Publishers seem to like them, but do the authors benefit from having
only the hardback version out for a year? I'd be interested to hear
comments on this...

Laurence Tyler
York University Computing Service, UK

email: lgt1@york.ac.uk

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From: horne@physics.su.OZ.AU (Geoff Horne)
Subject: Re: box =/= balls
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:49:55 GMT

In article <20260@plains.NoDak.edu> hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.101147.19667@newstand.syr.edu> htkeays@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Tom Keays) writes:
><Hemingway lived for a time in Spain.  Cajones translates literally as
><"box" but is slang for "balls" (testicles).  The section is in reference
><to machismo (something Hemingway is noted for) and the witches general 
><opinion of it (as in kicks in the cajones).
>
>Interesting. I've also heard that "box" is slang (American) for labia.

I just caught up on this - so you may have heard it before
BUT..
box is also a slang term for the testicle protector worn by men when they play
Cricket - so there is probably some reference there too...

>
>-- 
>Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
>"I still thing it's garbage, but beautifully cooked."   --  TP on TP


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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Celibate wizards
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:28:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <BuKoDq.D8D@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long) writes:
>
>>I'd love to
>>see the witch/wizard sides of the coin explored more!  HINT HINT  ;-)
>
>Looks like there wasn't enough "count the legs and divide by two" sex in
>it for you.

Personally, I prefer the "count the legs and divide by four" variety.
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
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From: green@phx.mcd.mot.com (Jim Greenfield)
Subject: re:  citynames
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:49:47 GMT

In my trusty old Encyclopaedia Britannica (fourteenth edition, 1929), the
following interesting items occur:

volume 8, p. 59, under _EGYPT, RELIGION_
  The Sun-disc or Aten was not represented by the Atenist heretics
  in human or animal form but simply as the solar disc from which
  spread to the earth below rays ending in human hands holding the
  O   or symbol of life (_'ankh_), thus symbolizing the sun's gift
  T   of life to the world.


volume 15, p. 800
  MOREPORK, the name given to two birds, from a fancied resemblance
  of their calls to these words.  One is the Australian species of
  frogmouth, related to the goat-suckers and night-hawks.  The other
  is a small brown owl of New Zealand (_Spilo-glaux novae-zealandiae),
  still fairly common, which haunts the clumps of Maori bush and
  calls in the twilight.  Maori names for this owl are _ruru_ and
  _koukou_, both being attempts to turn his cry into words; he plays
  a lively part in Maori bird lore.
 
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Sharon and Tracy
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:13:50 GMT

In article <Bu2A0o.n2H@ibmpcug.co.uk> dbergin@ibmpcug.co.uk (Derek Bergin) writes:
[Red Scharron] a reference to Red Sonja maybe ??.

No maybe about it.

>(A early Arnie movie

Plus about a million comics.
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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Ideas.Terry Don't Read This (but all ideas held within are creative pd 
Summary: What happened to the Elves?
Keywords: elves elf ideas more ideas and a banana
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 05:19:52 GMT

Humans get everywhere.

Some mention has been made of the dwarven society and a few paragraphs
have been set aside discussing such things as courtship and merry-making
activities ("Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold")

Trolls, both in the wild and in their city jobs have appeared time and time
again.

BUT WHERE ARE THE ELVES?

A perfect oppertunity to release some total and utter bar-stewards into the 
discworld has, so far, been totally passed up.  We know that they are
somewhere on the disc and we know that they have all the natural dignity
and poise normally associated with the next homicidal, pointy eared
psychopath.  And an entire race of them could only lead to some rather
nasty encounters, especially if they are as intelligent as has been already
hinted at within the books.

So here's a plan.  A wing of the elves decides it's going to get into
crime.  All of crime.  It's going to start attempting to monopolise 
the strictly quotaed muggings, beatings, robberies and assassinations
held within the number one city (ie Ankh-Moorpork) by setting up the
closest thing to a Mafia network that could possibly be set up in AM.

And let it run from there.  Lots of puns from the Godfather and other
gangster ovies.  Spice it up with a bit of interest in ceasing these
activities from the resident guilds and all hell will break lose
in no time at all.

Just a thought *8)

Mike

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From: spencer@dew.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: 2CV (was Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0)
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:03:15 GMT

In article <Btzu5I.B8E@newcastle.ac.uk>, Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:
>leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
>>> 
>>> You perhaps point out that deux-chevaux is a misnomer as 2CV in fact
>>> is shourt for deux-chevron (the Citroen emblem) and has nothing to do
>>> with horsepower!!
>
>>I have an honest-to-God French colleague sitting next to me, who swears
>>you are completely mistaken about the chevron (well, actually he said it
>>in a much less polite way :-) business.
>
>Well, I beg to differ with him. I read the information about the 2CV
>name in a history of the car. There may well some kind of punning
>going on here, but the original intent was definitely deux chevron.

My qualifications are lots of long years of taking French, having
several French friends, and having been to Paris for all of 3 weeks :-)

2CV, whatever its origins may be, is pronounced "deux chevaux" and is, as
mentioned above, a crude measure of power.  Things like Yugos and
Volkswagen Rabbits would be called 2CV.  Thus the tired old (translated)
joke "How do you fit 4 elephants in a 2CV?"  "Dunno, how?"  "Two in the
front and two in the back."  (make stupid conversation for a few minutes)
"How do you fit 4 giraffes in a 2CV?"  "Dunno, how?"  "You can't,
there's already four elephants in it."

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sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
Always collect lots of data.  It makes it look like you've been doing
something.

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From: pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Metaphor, anyone ?
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:24:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.081611.26816@comp.lancs.ac.uk>, dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley) writes:
> A friend of mine is including a definition of _metaphor_ in his 
> thesis, and I recall some such in a Discworld book (Pyramids ?).
> Before I go re-reading the whole lot, can anyone give me accurate
> information where I will find this ?
> 
Guards! Guards! p.140 (Corgi paperback edition) Carrot's letter to Mother:
\begin{quote}
Going Up in the World is a metaphor, which I am learning about, it is like
Lying but more decorative.
\end{quote}

I've seen something similar is some other Discworld as well, but can not
find it right now.
						Michal
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From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Why do wizards need to be celibate?
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:13:43 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
In-reply-to: t88swa@tdb.uu.se's message of 7 Sep 92 08:40:30 GMT

>I don't understand why wizards need to be celibate. In 'Mort' the reason is
>that impure thoughts destroy the ability of doing magic, but in Sourcery
>it is because wizards get children who are too good at magic.
>any comments?

If the real reason was the latter, perhaps the older wizards
encouraged belief in the former.  (i.e., something the younger
wizards might actually respect.)

Curt
From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: TP's first published short story
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:19:01 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Mr. P's first published story.
(At least I think it was his first story).

I think I read it once in an *old* UK S.F. magazine from the 50's and think it
had something to do with someone pulling a fast one on the Devil.

Any hints/clues gratefully received.

I will summarise if requested.

Angus Marshall 
(at DIT - the real Unseen University!)

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From: wing@canada.ceo.dg.com (Brian Wing)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:22:05 GMT
Organization: Data General (Canada) Inc.

: 
: Also, I don't believe the `curious behaviour of the dog in the night-time'
: occurs in "The Hound of the Baskervilles" - I am pretty sure it is from
: a different story whose title currently escapes me - the one involving
: injections of monkey (sorry, ape :-) serum as a fountain of youth.
: 
I think that'd be "Silver Blaze", the story about the race horse going 
missing.  The curious behavior is that the stable dog did not bark in 
the night-time.
I'm not as sure about the title of simian serum story - "The Creeping Man"?  
In that story, the victim's dog suddenly turns on him, but Holmes did not
make the "curious behavior" remark in it.
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From: ac463@yfn.ysu.edu (Rich Yauman)
Subject: Re: Metaphor, anyone ?
Reply-To: ac463@yfn.ysu.edu (Rich Yauman)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:22:53 GMT


In a previous article, dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley) says:

>A friend of mine is including a definition of _metaphor_ in his 
>thesis, and I recall some such in a Discworld book (Pyramids ?).
>Before I go re-reading the whole lot, can anyone give me accurate
>information where I will find this ?

I read this post earlier today and I happen to be rereading 
Pyramids, and came across the reference to metaphor.  I am going to
quote from the book page 61 (American edition) this is in reference
to Dios the high priest.

The staff across his knees, for example, with its very symbolic
snakes entwined symbollically around an allegorical camel prod.
The people believed this gave the high priests power over the gods
and the dead, but this was probably a metaphor, i.e., a lie.

There you go, I hope that this helps.  And just to make sure that 
I give proper reference..  the above quote is taken from page 61
of Terry Pratchett's Pyramids (Roc Edition)  I hope that takes
care of copywrite.

And since Terry reads this, I just want to say to him, good book,
definately worth rereading.

>
>(I am not suggesting that this definition is the one he will base 
>his arguments on :-) ... then again ....
>
>Richard
>
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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: Ideas.Terry Don't Read This (but all ideas held within are creative pd
Keywords: elves elf ideas more ideas and a banana
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:27:59 GMT

pmcauley@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Mc Auley) writes:

>Oh noooooo.... I would have them set up as the Japanese equivalent..

Eeek!  Triad or Yakuza elves.  Samurai elves wielding katanas.  Shuriken
throwing halflings.  Oh, this is too grim to continue thinking of *8)

Mike
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From: fp101@sci.kun.nl (fp1 course)
Subject: DW special
Summary: question about a special once done in a GM magazine.
Keywords: dw rpg discworld terry pratchett
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:27:15 GMT

I heard that there once was a TP (or DW) special in a magazine called GM. Can someone comment on that, or give more specific information. I'd like to get the article myself.


The not-so-luny-but-still-mad DM.


* Quota habitas Diabolica *
From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: WeatherwaxREAD/NEW
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:05:36 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <BuKxsD.EpL@apollo.hp.com>, johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes:
> mcramm@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>>>leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) writes:
>>> |>mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
>>> |> > Were Galder Weatherwax, the chancelor of the University or whatever in
>>> |> > The Light Fantastic, and Granny Weatherwax, related at all?  I think
>>> |> > we should be told!
>>> |>
>>> |>They were.  They definitely were.  I can't remember in which book it was, but
>>...........
>>> |>completely wrong?
>>> 
>>> I think you're thinking of the scene in Reaper Man where a delegation of wizards
>>.........
>>> The Archchancellor in question is Ridcully, not Galder Weatherwax, and the
>>> High Priest in question most definitely is not Granny Weatherwax.
>>> --PSW
>>I think the other source of confusion here is that, (in Equal Rites I believe)
>>it turns out the the esteemed Ms. Esme Weatherwax and the Archchancellor 
>>were from the same area of the Disc (neighbouring/same village) and knew each
>>other.
>> Angus M. Marshall
> 
> But, by then (as you no doubt know), Galder Weatherwax was no longer chancellor.
> (or, as the later books have it, ArchChancellor).

Correct! It was Cutangle in ER. (checked it last night)
 
> Given the high magical field prevalent in the Ramtops, and (as a previous
> poster pointed out) the high probability of families with eight sons, I
> would suspect that there was some relationship.  

Interesting thought. Sort of Genie-tic mutations caused by thaumaturgical 
fallout ?  ;)

This might also explain why there are more 8th sons than 8th daughters
(though it sometimes only seems to need an 8th child......ER again)
 
> John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
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From: chgs02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (By learning and courtesy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Digital Dreams
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:19:38 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Digital Dreams
ISBN 0-450-53150-3
New English Library
Fiction: Science Fiction
Edited by David V Barrett

contains 20 short stories, one of them by Terry Pratchett called
 # ifdefDEBUG + "world/enough" + "time"
the quotes I used should have been double opening quotes and double
closing quotes, but I can't find them on this keyboard.

There are quite a few really good stories in this paperback, and 
this is one of them. It is dealing with consequences of "virtual reality
in the home" from the point of view of the person who has to clear up.
Pick up some new vocabulary here.

Of the others I particularly enjoyed "Digital Cats Come Out Tonight"
by Ben Jeapes

Ann