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From: KAG5@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: A TOP TEN LIST-"COC-I"
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:21:42 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

A friend of mine came up with a top ten list of "Things I Hoped to Hear in
Chain of Command II".  I don't think there are any spoilers, but to avoid die-
hard flamers, I'll insert some lines.....
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That should be enough....
  TOP TEN THINGS I HOPED TO HEAR IN CHAIN OF COMMAND II

10.  DATA TO PICARD:  "I WILL SAY THIS ON CAPTAIN JELLICO'S BEHALF, HIS SON IS
A MUCH BETTER ARTIST THAN YOU WILL EVER BE."

9.  DR. CRUSHER:  "DEAR WES, I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU'D FEEL ABOUT HAVING A
FERENGI AS A STEP FATHER..."

8.  DATA:  "COME NOW, GENTLEMEN, THE ARGUMENT'S MOOT.  IF THE CARDASSIANS
SUCCEED IN DEVELOPING THEIR ANTI-DNA METAGENICS WEAPON, *I* WILL BE THE NEXT
CAPTAIN OF THE ENTERPRISE."

7.  WORF:  "DELICIOUS!  YOU WERE RIGHT AGAIN, GUINAN.  I DO LIKE THE "CAPTAINS
CHOICE" FRESH SEAFOOD ENTREE...."

6.  PICARD:  "DEAR PARAMOUNT, I WANT MY LIFE INSURANCE AND PERSONAL INJURY
INSURANCE *DOUBLED* BEFORE I SIGN TO DO ANOTHER TWO PART EPISODE."

5.  DATA:  "STARFLEET COMMAND CONSIDERS COUNSELLOR TROI'S AND MY RANK *EQUAL*?!

4.  CAPTAINS PICARD AND JELLICO:  "MAKE IT SO."  "NO, GET IT DONE."  "NO, MAKE
IT *SO*!"  "NO, *GET IT DONE*!!"....

3.  PICARD:  "IF YOU THOUGHT THE GAMES ON RHYSA WERE STIMULATING, NUMBER 1,
WAIT TIL I TELL YOU WHAT THE CARDASSIANS DO FOR FUN..."

2.  DR. CRUSHER:  "DATA, DID I EVER TELL YOU WHAT *WONDERFUL* EARS YOU HAVE!"

AND THE NUMBER 1 THING I HOPED TO HEAR IN CHAIN OF COMMAND II...

1.  PICARD (WHISPERING): "COUNSELLOR, WHY DON'T YOU SLIP BACK INTO THAT *OTHER*
UNIFORM, AND START WORKING DECK TEN."


HOPE YOU ENJOYED IT, I THOUGH IT WAS A HOOT!
JUST A FEW ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS MADE BY MY SAME FRIEND:
  --DO YOU THINK THE NAME JELLICO IS A REFERENCE TO THE MUSICAL CATS?
     -HE DID GET RID OF THE FISH, AND TOOK A LIKING TO DATA (SPOT'S MASTER)
    (FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT, THE CATS CALL THEMSELVES JELLICO
      CATS--SAME SPELLING)
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"To err is human--to forgive is not :  Kimberly Graves
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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: Troi in "Chain of command"
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:24:22 GMT

JL
From: roder@cco.caltech.edu (Brenda J. Roder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:29:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:


>Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:


>Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
>Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
>a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.

>They have two days to get ready for what may be a war with the
>Cardassians. Riker was making excuses that he didn't think that he
>could get the new shift schedules implemented in time so he didn't
>do it.  If I were Jellico I'd be irate too. Picard looked embarassed
>at Riker's performance, too.

>Geordi was no better.  Here's the captain, getting ready for what may
>be a show down and Geordi's complaining that the science labs won't
>have the resources they need.  Well, no one will be doing experiments
>during a full scale battle anyway.  Didn't Geordi realize this? He is,
>after all, a member in the (para)military.

Were they actually told that they were probably going into war.  One thing
he could have done differently would be to have a full meeting with the
senior officers (ala Picard) and tell them what was coming down.  Then,
go around and tell everyone what he needs done to have the ship ready.
Instead, he went to each individually and just gave orders without explanation.
At the time I was watching it, most of it seemed unreasonable to me.  Changing
people's work schedules (and as someone has pointed out, 4 watches means
fewer people per watch), Riker having to stay up 24 hours (to do all four
watch drills), messing with engineering (having them work what was it 48 out
of 52 hours).  Yes, it may be necessary, but he certainly could have inspired
more confidence in himself and loyalty by going about it differently.

-- 
-- Brenda (roder@cobalt.caltech.edu)
Thought before action, if there's time.
    _The Edge_  Dick Francis
From: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chain of Command & 2 part
Date: 25 Dec 92 02:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 

SK>In spite of all the "problems", "inconsistencies", and "flaws" with Chain of
SK>Command (remember, it's just TV - it's just pretend), is anyone besides me
SK>grateful that they (Paramount, et al) decided to make this a two parter
SK>instead of trimming and hacking and compressing it to fit one show?

SK>It's kind of nice to have a story that doesn't neatly tie itself up in the
SK>last 2.5 minutes, between the last commerical and ending credits.

I agree, it is very nice to have a story brought totally out.  It is
also very nice to have a two-parter in the middle of the season and we
don't have to wade through all the re-runs in anticipation.

I dare say I hope this is a formula that the writers use more often.
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Organization: indiana university
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:00:55 GMT

Ok. It was a fine episode. Everybody got to hate Ronnie Cox. Piccard was
tortured with care yet never broke; in fact he analyzed his captor and
returned the mental attack. That WAS the point, wasn't it?

So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? C'mon Trek
fans, we're smarter than that. Do we need sensationalism to make a point? 

And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic torture
if they hadn't stripped him." Yeah right. Like they'd given him the
terrycloth bath robe to cover up with as seen in the full body scenes.

Paramount could have done the "stripped" scenes waist up and still had
the same effect.

Face it. Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
trashy sensationalism.

I'm dissappointed.

Eric Schlene
From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Subject: Re: Le Pont d'Avignon (was: Picards french lines)
Followup-To: soc.culture.french
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:25:28 GMT

Sur le pont d'Avignon
l'on y danse, l'on y danse
Sur le pont d'Avignon
l'on y danse tous en rond.

This is the form I learned many years ago in French class in grade
school here in the U.S. I stand by *both* l's.

To all would-be French language scholars out there who think (as I
did) that "l'on" is grammatically incorrect, look up "on" in _Le Petit
Robert_. You will find "l'on" given as an archaic form ("au moyen
age") that is *still used today* to avoid a collision of vowels ("un
hiatus"). Considering the age of the song, I suspect both explantions
apply here.

And it is quite possible that because "l'on" is archaic and seldom
used today, the song is sometimes taught to children without the l's.

Note that I have redirected this thread to soc.culture.french. If you
need to add something, please observe this unless you know of a French
language newsgroup (alt.usage.french?) that would be more appropriate.
I couldn't find one in my .newsrc.

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Dale Atems
Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Department of Physics and Astronomy
atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu
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From: aaron@serss0 (aaron)
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Reply-To: aaron@fiu.edu  (StanleY!)
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:16:56 GMT
Disclaimer: all comments are solely my remarks...

>Patrick Dunae wrote: 
>In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
>He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge.   How come Dr.
>Crusher, Data, Geordi, or Dianna never sit in the command chair?
>They're all the same rank as Riker.   And they also take orders
>from him, maybe it's because of his uniform colour, or maybe
>because he's Picard's right hand man?
> 
	To respond to the first question, they each at times have indeed
done so.  It is just that, with the exception of Data, there is not a
regular need for a) the ship's CMO, b) the ship's Counselor, and c) the
ship's Chief Engineer to do so, and certainly not within our viewing,
unless the circumstances are special (i.e. Troi in _Disaster_).  Now Data,
on the other hand, does indeed use the Center Seat, and quite regularily,
when Picard gives him the bridge.  Watch thru re-runs; I'm positive you
will see this happen more than once.
	"They're all the same rank as Riker."  Not true.  There *is* a
difference between Commander, which Riker is, and Lieutenant Commander,
which all the rest of them are (with, possibly, the exception of Bev
Crusher, tho I'm not 100% certain of that . . .).  And they take orders
partially for the reason you mentioned ("right hand man", *not* his uniform
color), and partly because that's what his job and ranking are; he is 1)
the number two man on the ship, behind only J.L.P., and he is also of
higher rank than they are.  RHIP, you know . . .

Hope this answers your questions . . .
 
Regards,
StanleY!
aaron@fiu.edu
<still looking for a sig!>
From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Distribution: na
Organization: is an esoteric concept.

In article <13406@bnr-rsc.UUCP>, coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira) writes:
|> 
|>   I'm sorry, but I forgot who wrote the article and the message-ID, so no flames.
|> The article referred to why Dr. Crusher too did not wear a proper uniform occasionally.  I'm sorry, but as far as I can tell, she always wears the proper uniform.  However, she will occasionally wear a lab coat on top of her uniform.  I don't consider thi|> s to mean that she is not wearing the proper uniform.
|> 
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|> Rahim Pira

I'd like to second this post.  Beverly has always been in standard uniform
while on duty (as far as I remember).  We have seen her in different
outfits while visiting Jean-Luc, exercising with Troi or conducting her
acting class.  But, while on duty it's uniform & lab coat.

Ron
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 15:50:37 EST

In article <rchan.318u@terapin.com>
rchan@terapin.com (Ronald Chan) writes:
 
>
>
> ]From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
> ]Well, Jane Fonda will probably surrender the ship to the Romulans or the
> ]Cardassians :-)
>
>No... no.. no... She would go a pose in front of a Cardassian phaser cannon!
 
   And for the next ten years, she will campaign for Cardassian rights
and that the Federation should switch over to Cardassian political system.
   Then she will stay silent for about five years, and then start disavowing
some of her actions due to "impetuousness of youth"; make a work out video;
Stay silent as the Cardassian political system totally breaks down; become
rich and fashionable; and build up a large credit account.  {She may also
marry a high profile Federation capitalist who is in debt upto his neck.}
 
   I'm sorry, but there is something about Jane Fonda's self-importantness,
sanctimonious preaching, and downright hypocracy which really gets me.
    Junsok Yang
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Dec28.055354.11179@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>In article <gV1FwB1w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
>>Maroon/Red  Command
>>Blue        Biosciences
>>Gold        Applied sciences/Engineering/Logistics

>Well, one problem; Troi was wearing a blue uniform and psychology
>is sort of an applied science.  I'd say that all blue uniforms
>are associated with science (Psych, Bio, Chem, what have you).

I would disagree, given that Data (the science officer) wears a gold, not a
blue, uniform.  Psychology is generally considered to be a "social science",
and not really in the same category as the "hard" sciences.

I would classify the colors as follows:

Red	Command & Navigation
	(Picard, Riker, Wesley Crusher, Ro)
Blue	Bio and Social Sciences
	(Troi, Dr. Crusher, medical personnel)
Gold	Hard Sciences, Engineering & Support Services (including Security)
	(Data, LaForge, Worf, O'Brien)

>I think but I'm not sure that the Engineering/Logistics difference
>is determined by pips on the collar.

No, the pips determine rank.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:47:29 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <twhrg0n@lynx.unm.edu> kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.183526.8439@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>>Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
>>into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
>>charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
>>would take some of the pressure off of this group...

>rec.arts.startrek?  That group doesn't exist.

Sure it does.  I just saw an article on it half an hour ago. ;-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

Be warned: I will answer flames and condescensions in kind.
From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's Book.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 02:45:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
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In a previous article, wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu () says:

>
>	My last question was answered so well, that I 
>decided to ask another -- What is the book in Picard's
>Ready Room?  Twice I have seen direct reference to it -
>in "Chain of Command" the replacement captain gives it
>to Picard, and in the episode of the phony historian 
>time travelilng.
>
This is just a guess, but I'd say it's Shakespere.
Never seen the title though, so I don't know.
-- 
		-Dave Williss
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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:45:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <105397@bu.edu>, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) wrote:
> 
> 
> Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:
> 
> 
> Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
> Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
> a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.
> 
> They have two days to get ready for what may be a war with the
> Cardassians. Riker was making excuses that he didn't think that he
> could get the new shift schedules implemented in time so he didn't
> do it.  If I were Jellico I'd be irate too. Picard looked embarassed
> at Riker's performance, too.
> 
> Geordi was no better.  Here's the captain, getting ready for what may
> be a show down and Geordi's complaining that the science labs won't
> have the resources they need.  Well, no one will be doing experiments
> during a full scale battle anyway.  Didn't Geordi realize this? He is,
> after all, a member in the (para)military.

I agree with you 100%.  When going into a possible battle, it is the
Captain's responsibility to ensure the safety of the crew and ship in HIS
WAY.  Riker and Geordi would be KICKED out of any normal military for their
attitude and/or behavior during this episode.  

Insubordination is not a good quality for a 2nd officer.  

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Apple's)
athos@apple.com
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
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From: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What about the Children?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:20:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tke@shep.att.com (Tom Epstein) says:

>
>How could a crew so keen on war preparations forget that they happen to 
>have their children with them?  Where was the touching, "Klingons don't
>hold their breath untill they turn violet," speech that Worf should have
>had with Alexander before leaving on his dangerous mission? 
>
>Having children in the series will not work untill the writers remember
>their supposed existance in cases other than when their existance con-
>tributes directly to plot development.  IMHO

Amen to that.  The writers always seem to forget this fact whenever the
big E goes into dangerous situations.
-- 
David Gorski, M. D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine
Internet: dhg2@po.cwru.edu; gorski@walsh.phol.cwru.edu
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:22:35 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec28.003242.11700@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
> What a bunch of sniveling overly analytical bedwetters. 
> 
> Get a life, STTG is a great form of entertainment compared to most of the
> crap that is on TV these days. They do with a million dollars an episode
> what most film makers can't do with 30 million.
> 
> This just a TV program, lighten up.

If it's just a TV program, something not to be taken too seriously by 
anyone at all, then why the hell is over a million dollars a week being
spent on the thing? 

In an ordinary week I'd probably be agreeing with you and praising an
episode to the stars (as I have nearly every week so far this season),
but this week's offal, sorry, offering rubbed me the wrong way and yes,
a few other people the wrong way too because it was such a wasted
opportunity to do a really stomach-wrenching science-torture story.
> 
> Sheesh,
> 
> Rod (I am Not A Borg Yet) Beckwith 
> -- 
> Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
> Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
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> 

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: DSN Promos for "Past Prologue" (#404)
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:39:31 GMT

Promos for the new ST:DSN episode: "Past Prologue" (#404) were released
today.  This actual program will air starting on Saturday, January 9th.  


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

NEXT TIME ON STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, A BAJORAN TERRORIST 
SEEKS REFUGE ONBOARD THE SPACE STATION...

   [ Cardassian ship firing on another vessel ]

   [ Bajoran beams into Ops ]

   [ Cardassian talking to (Sisko?) ]

  Cardassian:  He has committed brutal acts of destruction!

   [ Kira and Bajoran talking ]

  Bajoran:  I want Bajor for Bajorans.

BUT WHERE DO KIRA'S LOYALTIES LIE?

  Kira:  You expect me to commit some act of violence 
         against the Federation?

   [ Sisko, O'Brien, Kira, and Bajoran in a Runabout ]

  Bajoran:  There is an armed explosive device onboard this ship.
             ...no more wormhole, no more Federation.

   [ Runabout enters wormhole ]

ON AN ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE.


-{ Dean Adams }-

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