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From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1bat2cINNdui@aludra.usc.edu>, smckenna@aludra.usc.edu (Stacy McKenna) writes...
> 
>>>>What the hell??????  This isn't alt.poilitical_views!  Jeez buddy- dont be send
>>>>ing your little surveys out to us.  Why did you?  This is a group on Wolves!
>>>> 
>>>>PS- should we lock this guy in a room full of wild wolves?  Or those hunters
>>>>that shoot down planes to save wolves(Brent you know who you are!)?  8^)
>>> 
>>>I agree completely... But I think the best way to take someone out is to 
>>>put them in a forest of wild wolves at nighttime and let the wolves stalk 
>>>him/her for a while first. Then the real action will begin. Wolves have a 
>>>good stalking ability, and for some reason, I admire that a lot.
>>> 
>>Hows about this!  Let the wolves stalk him into a room, and then lock the door
>>and drop a bunch of crazed machine-gun toting maniacs who hate ant-wolf people
>>in there to kill him.
>>
>>I think that it would work.
> 
>Can we please stop this? Yes, it was inappropriate to this board. Yes,
>I would rather read about wolves as well, but these posts are no more
>appropriate than the one you guys are slamming. Can we please get back
>to the real topic of this board please? Thank you.
> 
>Anyway, does anyone have any current information on the status of
>wolves in the American Southwest. I have read up on them quite a bit
>through books obtained at national parks, the library, etc., but I
>don't have any current stats on poulation, etc. and was wondering if
>any of you could fill me in. 
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>Stacy
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  I think if we left Stacy out in the woods, and let the
questionnaire man come, and have the wolves stalk them both, who do you think
would bite it first? (pun, however bad, intended).  The best location I think
would be in the American Southwest, because of its HUGE wolf population (or is
that the catfish population. Hmmm.  Always get the two mixed up.  Oh well.)

Seriously, I wast just having a little fun.  So relax, take a muscle relaxant
and realize that no harm was intended, ok?


Later-

Shane
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ibonnycastle@trentu.ca (Ian Bonnycastle)
Subject: Re: Please Help
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:30:00 GMT

In article <BvtFy1.HB8@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....) writes...

>What the hell??????  This isn't alt.poilitical_views!  Jeez buddy- dont be send
>ing your little surveys out to us.  Why did you?  This is a group on Wolves!
> 
>Later-
> 
>Shane
> 
>PS- should we lock this guy in a room full of wild wolves?  Or those hunters
>that shoot down planes to save wolves(Brent you know who you are!)?  8^)

I agree completely... But I think the best way to take someone out is to 
put them in a forest of wild wolves at nighttime and let the wolves stalk 
him/her for a while first. Then the real action will begin. Wolves have a 
good stalking ability, and for some reason, I admire that a lot.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==         Ian Bonnycastle           Internet: IBONNYCASTLE@TRENTU.CA        ==
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             "Two Fifty for a Highball, a Buck and a Half for Beer"
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:58:25 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.wolves

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
Female             [ ]

6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
19 to 65           [ ]
Over 65            [ ]

7.) What religion are you?
Protestant         [ ]
Catholic           [ ]
Jewish             [ ]
Other              [ ]

8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
Democratic         [ ]
Republican         [ ]
Other              [ ]

9.) How many years of education have you completed?
Grade School       [ ]
High School        [ ]
College            [ ]
More               [ ]
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:58:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.wolves

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: noah@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip D. Noah)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: WOLF1.3 WOLF1.2 WOLF3.3  GIF OF A WOLF.
Summary: it's a gif I uuencoded in the next 3 msgs.
Keywords: WOLF GIF PICTURE
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:06:27 GMT
Organization: UB

The next three posts are a gif of a wolf that I made. I scanned it in as a gif
then uuencoded it and posted it. to view it you need to download it and then
run it through a uudecoder and then use a gif viewer to see it.

if you need a gif viewer or a decoder check out this anonymous ftp site:
wuarchive.wustl.edu

dir: graphics

or e-mail me and i'll send them to you.


Philip D. Noah jr.
Dept. Of Anthropology
SUNY Univ. Centre at Buffalo
380 Fillmore
Amherst NY
noah@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel wolf special
Date: 16 Oct 1992 23:49:12 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <Oct16.020357.98948@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kfason@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kevin Fason) writes:
>In article <00962235.893102A0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>The Discovery Channel has been promoting a special 2-hour program
>>for this Sunday, October 18th, at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time,
>>"Cry of the Wild"
>>The previews look interesting!
>
> think you are off by 12 hours.  I looked and Cry of the Wild is on at 7pm
> here in Denver (2 hrs behind Eastern) but thanx for telling me!  I set my
> VCR!
> -Kevin
>
yup, it's 9 p.m.  -  the advertisement on Discovery just said "9 eastern"
and not having the TV Guide yet and not imagining they would put it that 
late and opposite news etc, I assumed a.m. -
By the way, now that I have the TV Guide.... the description says:
"Interesting outdoor feature with Canadian filmmaker Bill Mason hunting
wolves with his camera."  This IS NOT new - it's from 1972 - nice up to date
documentary there Discovery  <sigh>
From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9OCT199209304219@trentu.ca>, ibonnycastle@trentu.ca (Ian Bonnycastle) writes...
>In article <BvtFy1.HB8@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....) writes...
> 
>>What the hell??????  This isn't alt.poilitical_views!  Jeez buddy- dont be send
>>ing your little surveys out to us.  Why did you?  This is a group on Wolves!
>> 
>>Later-
>> 
>>Shane
>> 
>>PS- should we lock this guy in a room full of wild wolves?  Or those hunters
>>that shoot down planes to save wolves(Brent you know who you are!)?  8^)
> 
>I agree completely... But I think the best way to take someone out is to 
>put them in a forest of wild wolves at nighttime and let the wolves stalk 
>him/her for a while first. Then the real action will begin. Wolves have a 
>good stalking ability, and for some reason, I admire that a lot.
> 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>==         Ian Bonnycastle           Internet: IBONNYCASTLE@TRENTU.CA        ==
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             "Two Fifty for a Highball, a Buck and a Half for Beer"

Hows about this!  Let the wolves stlk him into a room, and then lock the dor
and drop a bunch of crazed machine-gun toting maniacs who hate ant-wlof people
in there to kill him.

I think that it would work!


Later-

Shane
From: kfason@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kevin Fason)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel wolf special
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:03:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <00962235.893102A0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>The Discovery Channel has been promoting a special 2-hour program
>for this Sunday, October 18th, at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time,
>"Cry of the Wild"
>The previews look interesting!

 think you are off by 12 hours.  I looked and Cry of the Wild is on at 7pm
 here in Denver (2 hrs behind Eastern) but thanx for telling me!  I set my
 VCR!
 -Kevin
From: sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Definition of property
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <DRW.92Oct7152548@euclid.mit.edu>, drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes...
>If one wanted to set up an anarchy that had any concept of private
>property, how do you set the rules on what is ownable?  Property
>sounds so simple until you have figure out exactly what is ownable.

	One doesn't "set up" an anarchy, one let's it evolve.  Consider the
anarchic periods of Iceland and Ireland.  They weren't "set up", and they
did have property rights.  Those rights evolved as part of a non-coercive
customary law.  The rules evolved to reduce conflict between people the
most efficiently.  As better rules were developed through arbitration, they
gradually came to be accepted throughout the community.  Property rights
evolved because they were very useful in coordinating people's lives and
interactions in the community.  Customary (private) law was a "language
of interaction" that allowed people to interact to their mutual benefit
and avoid conflict.

	An anarcho-capitalist society would be very likely to operate in
a very similar way.  Read _The Enterprise of Law_ by Bruce Benson for an
in depth discussion of this phenomena.


Mark Sulkowski 
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard)
Subject: Re: warfare
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:21:01 GMT

In article <1b23omINN37n@uwm.edu> glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer ) writes:
>
>> If people in a right anarchy had the pacificm that left anarchists
>> require in their society, then how can left anarchists criticize right
>> anarchy.  It would work according to their own requirements of human
>> nature. 
>
>As long as you have property, you will never have peace.  As long
>as you have people who value themselves by how much they own, rather
>than how much they love, you will have property.
>
>glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I would add that as long as you are saddled with a class society,
you will not have peace and you will have a coercive government i.e.
a state.

-- 
Mike Ballard 
Time is money. Steal some today!
Don't just complain, organize! e-mail iww@igc.org  Ph: (415)863-WOBS.

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.co-ops,aus.general
From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: qu: infomation on L.E.T.S.  ?
Keywords: co-op barter trade
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:32:43 GMT

In article <Oc15.051632.3545> william@syacus.acus.oz.au (William Mason) writes:
> On the national network, night before last, I happened to tune into 
> a discussion of a system for local trading called LETS.  Apparently,
> originating out of Cannada and spreading around the globe (at least
> in the west ?).  
...
>    The LETS idea was to amass points for 'favours' and people could
>    'pay' each other in points.  In short a form of local money.
...
> For those who know more, I hope I've done the concept justice.  And that
> you'll find time to share your knowledge with the net.

This sort of thing sounds like a good idea in some ways, but I see
two real problems with it:
- people with skills/products that can be traded in this
  way get out of paying taxes
- people with specialised technical skills (e.g. programmers),
  like myself and a lot of others on the net wouldn't be able to
  participate. (Half a days worth of time from a programmer
  is not much use to most people!)

BTW, apparently some people have set up just such a scheme in Queanbeyan,
NSW (near Canberra). They call their unit of currency the 'Queen B'.

-Craig

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: What is @ cookbook?
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:44:31 GMT


In the classifieds in many ivory tower magazines like the Nation and the
Progressive is an advert for one "Anarchist Cookbook" which has captured my
curiosity (but not 30 clams worth of it) has anyone seen the "Anarchist
Cookbook" and is it aptly named and is it "kitchen tested"?????????????


Walter Lee    wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu, lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us

Keep the Aspidistra Flying!
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Missi Wilkenfeld)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: IUPAC, the picnic and Anarchist humour
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:19:39 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


Hello umm as one of the organizers of the picnic here in bloomington
I would like to say it was a wonderful sucess.  The schedule was there
but wasn't adhered to very closely (as it should be)  new things popped
up and we were always behind schedule.  In fact one of the workshops
stopped by a computer lab and looked through this lovely group... no one
was too impressed by the bickering...

About the humour.... all weekend long people were making jokes
"organizer of an anarchist picnic?" "an anarchist group?" etc... I
explained calmly to the first 5 or so people Anarchy wasn't about
choas and once my glorious goal is achieved there will still be order
etc... but it got old quick!  You think we can call Webster up and 
ask him to change his definition for us?  I am getting terribly 
tired of anarchy = disorder.

Good humour is ...

How many libritarians does it take to change a lightbulb...

None, the market will take care of it..

So long from the Bloomington Anarchist Union (ha!)
Oh and IUPAC is not the Chemist Group though we new they
existed before us, we just wanted to jump the band wagon
of great tradition and stuffy rule making. :)
-- 
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|   Missi    |           mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu         |
+------------+---------------------------------------------------+
|   Mail your Demos to: WQAX /PO Box 2593 /Bloomington IN 47401  |
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: danny@athena.mit.edu (Daniel A Lagattuta)
Subject: Re: warfare
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:05:23 GMT

In article <1b23omINN37n@uwm.edu>, glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer ) writes:
|> 
|> > If people in a right anarchy had the pacificm that left anarchists
|> > require in their society, then how can left anarchists criticize right
|> > anarchy.  It would work according to their own requirements of human
|> > nature. 
|> 
|> As long as you have property, you will never have peace.  As long
|> as you have people who value themselves by how much they own, rather
|> than how much they love, you will have property.

	"All You Need is Love" is a fine Beatles tune but an unsound idea for
social organization.


					Daniel A. LaGattuta

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: danny@athena.mit.edu (Daniel A Lagattuta)
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.020417.3097@lclark.edu>, matta@lclark.edu (Matt Alexander) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.161329.22038@athena.mit.edu> danny@athena.mit.edu (Daniel A Lagattuta) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct5.090707.29572@hellgate.utah.edu>, galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) writes:
|> >|> In article <1992Oct3.212130.13228@shearson.com>, pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
|> >|> >Do you imagine that there is no value in designing things? That
|> >|> >understanding how to set up, finance and run a business is worthless?
|> >|> >You can find millions of people who can lift heavy objects. How many
|> >|> >people do you know who could do what Bill Gates has done?
|> >|> 
|> >|> Bill Gate bacame a billionaire by telling IBM he would get them an
|> >|> operating system for their new PCs.  He then went to some people
|> >|> who had written an operating system and bought it for $50,000.  For the
|> >|> next 10 years, he became a billionaire letting the operating system
|> >|> sell itself.  The only significant revision of the OS was MSDOS 5.0.
|> >|> So, a bunch of creative people create something, and a shrewd business
|> >|> man gets set for life.  A perfect example of how wonderful capitalism is.
|> >
|> >	If it is so easy to become a billionaire, why haven't you?
|> >
|> >	I know it is hard to do what Bill Gates has done and I admire him for it.
|> 
|> Yeah, but the question is did he do anything of value?

	Of course.  That is why he got paid money.  I only pay money when I get
some positive value out of doing it.  The only time I don't is when I pay taxes
where the value is not having to go to jail.
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Subject: Re: What is @ cookbook?
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:57:38 GMT

In article <robwil.719139009@well.sf.ca.us> robwil@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Wilson) writes:
>In <1992Oct13.204431.8535@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:
>
>
>>In the classifieds in many ivory tower magazines like the Nation and the
>>Progressive is an advert for one "Anarchist Cookbook" which has captured my
>>curiosity (but not 30 clams worth of it) has anyone seen the "Anarchist
>>Cookbook" and is it aptly named and is it "kitchen tested"?????????????
>
>
>>Walter Lee    wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu, lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
>
>>Keep the Aspidistra Flying!
>
>The Anarchist Cookbook is distributed by right-wing groups to find out the
>names and addresses of the unsuspecting radicals who order it.  What they
>do after they find you, I don't know (probably just stick you in some
>database).  Also, attempting to make any of the explosives in this book
>will result in you blowing yourself up.  This isn't an accident.

Moreover, not only are the explosives a fraud, the alleged psychoactive
chemicals are either fake or downright hazardous.  For example, bananna 
peels contain NO psychoactive chemicals and the "synthesis" of LSD is
ludicrous.  The cookbook is rumored to have been authored my an ex-marine
who had it in for those 'pinkie anarchist symps.'  

The only real use for the cookbook is as a high school conversation
starter.      

Mike DuVernois  m-duvernois@uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: ee@lever.com (Edward Elhauge)
Subject: Re: who gets to use violence
Organization: Lever Industries
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:37:59 GMT

In article <P1iiRB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> tumidity@netlink.cts.com (Joel Garry) writes:
>ee@lever.com (Edward Elhauge) writes:
>> 
>> The reason that capitalist anarchists run into contradictions is that they
>> reject the ability of society to make democratic decisions. Something along t
>> lines of a New England town hall meeting (mass assembly) could and would
>> make decisions that would enable the town self-defense organizations to permi
>> or prohibit private security. This isn't any harder than a municipality
>> providing for its own power, water or roads.
>> 
>How can you not reject the ability of society to make democratic 
>decisions?  Since information transfer is not perfect, people wind
>up basing their decisions on "marketing" (read "propaganda").  Town hall

The assemblies will develop their own ways of getting reliable information and
will discount or question information developed by people or groups with
vested interests.

>meetings in New England led to witch burning.  The masses are easily led,
>just ask any farmer in Kansas what he thinks about an Infiniti car (what
>do you think he would say?  Have your opinions been propagandized on 

Look at the Soviet Union and Poland where religion was suppresed from above.
Now it is back stronger than ever. The analogy is a virus. If you freeze it,
it will be back when thawed; if you let the fever run its course you can
die but you can also beat it. The mass assemblies allow a fever to be fought.
Individual decisions or authoritarianism cann't achieve the same results.

>walk well.   Example:  what would a town hall meeting say right now 
>about people who sell drugs?  How could an anarchic system change that?
>And what if 50.0001% people want to, say, allow baby kill  Utias

People can make mistakes. People learn from their mistakes. There is no
alternative to Majority rule exept Minority rule. Certainly we should try to
convince the majority to protect individual and minority rights, but there is
no way arround the fact that they have to be convinced. If you don't have to
convince them you must either have escaped their notice or be using force to
coerce them.
-- 
--
     Edward Elhauge       You will eat (you will eat), bye & bye (bye & bye)
    Lever Industries      In that glorious land above the sky (way up high)
      San Francisco       Work & pray (work & pray), live on hay, (live on hay)