HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:32:49 GMT
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.224739.15469@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <BzBJry.5tD@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>>Don't panic.
>>
>>CP Tomes
>>I've got a towel, how about you?
>
>  Yep.  Its a big bad galaxy out there, and you've really gotta know
>where your towel is!  And you remembered the peril sensitive sunglasses,
>right?

	In a pinch, Wild Turkey (the 101 proof stuff) can be substituted for
that Old Janx Spirit.  Should have the same effect on the germs on the towel
you use to wipe off the bottle, anyway.

urp.  Swallow (eeeyyyeeewwwhh!)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: a few questions from a wanna-be owner.
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> 1. Why aren't swing forks more popular? are they unstable? or just
-> unconventional/too radical?

 Earles (leading link) forks work just fine.  They can be lighter and
stronger than teledraulics, and you can even build in antidive.  Alas,
people thought they were ugly, so we're damned with teledraulics, at
least for now.


-> 5. I haven't seen a bike yet with fuel injection, what wrong with FI?

 Kawasaki put EFI on some models of the GPz1100 and Euro-spec KZ1300s.
I don't remember if the GPz750 Turbo had it or not.  Honda put it on the
CX500 Turbo and a couple years of Gold Wings.  Suzuki put it on the XN85
Turbo.  Ducati/Cagiva has EFI on at least one of their twins, and is (as
far as I know) the only one still doing it.

 Some racing associations ban fuel injection, so the sportier models of
squidbike probably won't see FI for some time to come.  For the midrange
and cruiser bikes, plain old carbs work fine for less money, at least at
the prices the manufacturer pays.


-> 4. what does a motorcycle license test entail?

 Depends on where you are.  Some places, just your plain old car license
is fine.


-> 3. where do i look for a 'training' type of place, to learn starter
-> stuff about cycles? (what are they called?)

 They're called "parking lots."  Those with squidly aspirations might
want to use the DC Beltway.


=======================================================================
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
=======================================================================
                                         
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:30:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Engine ignites gas (was Re: correction on New Biker)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Re: bike fires

The hot engine alone wouldn't be enough to light the gasoline that is 
spilled.

Applying electric power to a switch or starting the bike might do it.

Story: A contractor was digging out a gas pipeline in preparation to
       relocating it. They punctured the line. A cloud of vapor drifted
       across the interstate. A car driving thru the cloud apparently
       had enough open sparks to light the cloud. The driver is in
       the hospital.

Remember to keep the gasoline vapors and electric sparks inside your
engine!

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,misc.forsale
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale 
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.234211.10815@advtech.uswest.com> ltp@uswest.com (Halfman-Halfmachine) writes:
>I have a radar gun that I no longer use and would like to 
>see it go to a good home. I don't have any idea what brand

This would almost be worth the $200, just to be able to make
everyone's brake lights flash on the Interstate... :')
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Roasting Headnut's on a striped down bike.......
Summary: Things seem to be heating up...
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:55:34 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>If you use heat, apply it more to the block around the stud and not the
>studs themselves.  The heat will help loosen the bonding between the
>studs and the block, but it also causes metal to expand.  If the stud
>expands against the block too much, that'll make things worse.  Conversely,
>heating the block will cause the stud hole to grow bigger, not smaller
>as one might think.

To which tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>) replies:
>Show me. 

"Show" you?  Over a computer network?  It's tough, but I'll try:

		Before:  o		 After:   O

>And don't show me how the hole a small cross-section metal ring
>expands, either. Show me how a block of metal with a small round hole in it
>expands.

Okay:		          _______	         _______
		         |       |	        |       |
		Before:  |   o   |	After:  |   O   |
		         |_______|	        |_______|	8^)

If you want a written source, I don't have one for you.  My knowledge
comes from what I've heard, the most authoritative source of which I'd
cite as my brother-in-law, who has degrees in M.E. and Ch.E., and
specializes in materials.  I also have my own experience, the most
applicable of which is removing studs from Chevy small block intake
and exhaust manifolds.  Heating just the studs didn't work much at all.
Heating studs and manifolds evenly had a fair result.  Heating the
manifolds primarily and the studs only marginally had the best results.

So Tom, give me some evidence to the contrary, either academically
or from experience.  What, pray tell, are your qualifications to
pontificate on this subject?

>On a more positive note (and I've emailed the Mr. Nadzam on this), the
>best results will likely be from heating and cooling the block. The

"Best results" vary, the only real measure being what works.  The same can
be said for what is "a more positive note" and what is, by Mr. Coradeschi's
insinuation, a negative response.  I certainly saw none of this in my post.
If you don't like the advise you see here, Mr. Coradeschi, then go hire a
consultant with a Ph.D. in materials.  You get what you pay for, sometimes.

Along this same thread, which expands more when heated, aluminum or iron?
I would think that iron does, tho' I have sheer intuition working here.
If this is the case, then heating the iron studs extensively is definitely
counterproductive, at least if you then try to work the studs while they're
still hot.

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
1982 CBX (White Lightning), 1982 GS850G (Suzibago), 1976 CJ360T (Little Honda)
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,                               =o&>o
=o&>o                   you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A good motorcycle repair book (Q)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:05:40 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu

jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson) writes:
:-
:-Can anyone suggest a book or two that deals with all aspects of motorcycle
:-repair for the beginner. I've checked the local bookstore but they only had
:-one book and it didn't seem very good. 
:-

	Motorcycles - Fundamentals, Service, Repair
	Bruce A. Johns, David E. Edmundson,
	Goodheart-Willcox Company Inc, 1987
	ISBN # 0-87006-654-4
	Price: $37.

	i like the book! ;-)

	peace,

	- ravi


-- 
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.sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Engine ignites gas (was Re: correction on New Biker)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:38:42 GMT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>So what's the difference? Temperature, right? Any chemists in the house
>that happen to know the flash point of gas off the top of their heads?
>I've never seen it happen, and I don't know how likely it is, but I'd be
>inclined to avoid the practice. I think you'd be in more danger from a
>stray spark than engine heat. After all, the combustion chamber runs very
>hot, but it takes the spark to ignite the air-fuel mix.

	A spark will set it off most likely, but just heat will do the job
quite nicely.  In addition the diesel engine as proof, wasn't it about
1964 that Shelby had one of his 427 Cobra race cars incinerated
when the guy filling the car during a pit stop sloshed some fuel on the
differential housing, which then ignited?  That was the official story I
read, anyway, and I'd bet headers after a long ride or time at idle are
going to be hotter than any differential.  Watch yourself.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:41789 rec.autos:29812
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Durability
Keywords: why
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:42:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <1992Dec13.194050.26187@serval.net.wsu.edu> johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:
>Why are bikes and cars so incredibly fragile?  
>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.
>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.          
But how many of those mechanical systems are not running constantly? How
many of them are repeatedly subject to unlubricated start-ups? If bikes
and cars were to run constantly, I'm sure you'd get 5000+ hours out of
them. If you could effectively seal the combustion chamber from the oil sump,
you'd hardly ever have to shut them down for oil changes.

>So what is it with bikes and cars that makes them so fragile.  

Lack of oil pressure *before* the engine is turned over, lack of sufficient
warm-up time, need for companies to make mmoney. 

>What's even scarier is how many bikes/cars can not even get to 50,000     
>miles reliably.                                                                 
Just as a data point, my 83 mustang had 116K when I bought it, and 167K when 
I sold it. No oil burning, good oil pressure, engine never opened up, 
original clutch. Take care of your machine, and it will take care of you.
 
jim
-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)    Insert witty, profound, humorous, *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | elitist, esoteric, plagiarized, acrimonious, * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) | generalizing, and/or pedantic remark here.   *
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject:  What's a click?
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:27:37 -0800
Distribution: world
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1gnjkbINNlcs@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> In article 32557@acs.ucalgary.ca, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>BTW, Cops estimated he hit me with a closure of 25km per hour,
>>I'd guess he must have been doing 80-100clicks, since I was 100ft
> 
> This metric stuff is confusing enough, do you have to mix it up with
> normal measurements?  What's a click, km/hr?  Why didn't you say that
  ^^^^^
> the first time?
> 
> ---
> Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,

Normal to you. Most countries use metric. 'Clicks' is an expression I use and
hear all the time, although usually I've seen it spelled as 'Klicks'.

OBgetabikeEd. 8-)
From: Michael.Nelson@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:39:14 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA

Thursday December 10 1992 23:56, Mike Weaver wrote to All:

MW-> It's not constructive critisism that bugs us...

    Seth's smartass "rice jockey" comment didn't help his case much, either.

                                - Michael -

 *--------------------------------------------------------------*
 |                          |                                   |
 | Michael Nelson           | "A billion here, a billion there, |
 | DoD #735                 |  sooner or later it adds up to    |
 | 1993 CBR900RR            |  some real money!"                |
 |                          |                                   |
 | nelson@seahunt.imat.com  |           EVERETT DIRKSEN         |
 |                          |                                   |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------*


--  
Michael Nelson
UUCP: amdahl.com!kennel!125!20!Michael.Nelson
INTERNET: Michael.Nelson@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
"The views expressed above are those of Michael Nelson only."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Locking rear (was Re: First ride in rain...)
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:18:53 GMT

In article <Bz9CoA.49s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch) writes:
>In article <1gdg0oINN2f1@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>|> Which raises an interesting question (for me, anyway).  Is the only 
>|> "officially sanctioned" course of action in the event of a rear-wheel
>|> lockup to come to a full and complete stop, and then start all over 
>|> again?  (This hasn't been an issue for me so far, as I've only locked the
>|> rear when I wanted a full and complete stop faster than the bike wanted.)
>|> 
>|> What happens if you lock the rear wheel in circumstances under which a
>|> full and complete stop isn't such a good idea (e.g., number 3 lane of 280 
>|> southbound at 6:00pm in the dark)?
>
>Raises a question I have...I know that in the MSF course they say to leave
>the rear locked if you lock it, and look straight ahead and you'll go straight.
>Well, the two times I've locked up my rear on the street it tends to start
>sliding out to the right, I think because the road is sloped for rain runoff.
>In the MSF course, on a parking lot, it went relatively straight.
>
>I eased off both times I felt the rear start to slide around, and neither time
>had any control problems. Two times does not a rule make, so what experiences
>have you folks had?


Yes, I have had the same.  The only bike I had which kept in a straight line
was a '78 XS1100.  Kay goes off to the right, my FJ12 did the same.


Nick (the Slip-sliding-away Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: Attention electriv vest owners!
Keywords: neutral, traffic lights
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:03:20 GMT

In article <22856@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>
>In Message: <1992Dec14.161153.23691@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>
>From: tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent) writes:
>
>#In article <75518@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>#Has anyone yet suggested a relay picked up by the neutral light wire?
>#Oh, and it would be the normally closed contacts, by the way.
>#
>#You *do* put it in neutral at traffic lights, right?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>#
>#Tom Gent  (0-line .sig)
>#
>
>Not unless he's completely out of his friggin' mind, he doesn't.  The last

  He doesn't have to be out of his mind.  The procedure I use:

  1.  Pull up behind cage at light far enough back and to the side
      so that you can insert bike between cars if needed, leaving
      bike in gear.  If first in line, leave a buffer space in 
      front.
  
  2.  Watch mirrors untill at least two cars have pulled up behind
      and stopped.

  3.  Put bike in neutral.  Flex hands, arms, back to relieve stiffness
      as necessary.

  4.  Put bike back in gear well before time to pull away.

  5.  Go on your merry way.

>damn thing anyone wants is to observe some brain-dead cager locking up
>the binders behind him because he "didn't see the motorcycle", and be
>sitting there on your fat ass with the bike in neutral.  That extra
>second or two to get the bike in gear could mean the difference between
>saving your life and becoming the contents of a particularly messy sandwich.
>I'd a LOT rather have a little extra draw on my battery!

  As usual, you just have to use a little common sense.  Its nothing
to rant and rave about.

Mark Crowder  "I'm sorry my karma ran over your dogma"  crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
"If at first you don't succeed, try again.  Then quit.  No use being a 
 damn fool about it."  -- W.C. Fields
From: car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting motorcycles
Summary: ABS demos
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:32:14 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec16.222420.11357@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.201827.26324@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
> |> 
> |> Heck, I might put
> |> one of those GPS boxes (now widely available in a desensitized
> |> commercial version) on my FLHS. :-)
> 
> considering who we have leading local rides this is a GOOD IDEA.
> hey can you also use those boxes to find out what time it is?
> 
> i think i see someones christmass present forming.
> 
> not that it would help since this person can't even stop a 
> ABS bike properly.

OK, so his technique wasn't perfect.  However, by DoD standards,
you have to admit the ABS demo was exceptional, *almost* earning
him the coveted and highly-sought-after Dickweed Award.  In fact,
I suspect many a moon will elapse before anyone else has the
courage (or dubious judgement) to surpass (or even equal) Kevin's 
"1992 ERC Beemer Flambe'".  

BTW, I understand Ed has re-painted his FJ centerstand tang using 
glow-in-the-dark radium paint and installed break-away footpegs.  :-)

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
DoD #0003
From: tjohnson@anyway.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Unleaded petrol
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <31131.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
>-> My ZX-11 owners manual says that I can put unleaded petrol in my bike
>-> but, I've heard that it will damage valve seats in few years. Is this
>-> true?
>
> No.
>
> Whoever told you that is in idiot.
>                                

All;

	I'de just like to say right at the outset that it was not me who
told him this.

Thank-you So Kindly;

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger)
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:00:49 GMT

robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>ObMoto: If you are on a canyon road, and encounter black ice, is there
>anything you can do to help minimize your chances of a dramatic spill?
   *******
   a) suspend the laws of physics

   b) straighten out and hope you run out of ice 'fore you run out of road

   c) utter a quick oath to your favorite deity

   d) remember that a low side is generally better than a high side

   e) all of the above


   you have approximately half a second to make the correct decision,
   but don't worry, it'll seem like a *very* long time...

   bruce
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (Was: First ride i
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:36:59 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 724142383@infmx, arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
>
>Is the danger of high-siding related to how far out of line the
>rear end gets? Speed? 

Yes.

At what point does releasing the rear brake result in a high-side
rather than a jarring return to alignment?  I'm sure there is some
answer to this, like the "when does the inclined block tip over rather
than slide?" question from Physics 101.  There are probably, oh, about
273 variables in that equation, not all of which are quantifiable.

Generally speaking, higher speed, greater deviation from alignment, a
stickier rear tire, more plastic, and a recent polishing job will
increase your tendency to high-side.  Lower speed, less deviation from
alignment, slicker rear tire, and a celestial alignment in your sign
will increase your chances of jerking back into alignment.

It probably depends on the rider as well.  A jerk that one rider can
ride out may well toss another.  I used to ride bucking horses a lot,
and an occasional bull, but I don't think it particularly translates
into ability on a bucking motorcycle.  Dirt experience probably does.

MSF realizes the nondeterministic nature of the decision, and opts for
the safest option, keeping the rear locked and using the front for
braking and directional control.  Where that's not possible, given the
choice, I'll take a low side over a high side any day.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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