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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:24:12 EDT
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Subject:      Debuts...

<I could have sworn "Songs from the Big Chair" was their second album.  I
<don't know what it was called.  Their first album was just not very well
<known because it didn't have any major singles on it.

In Canada, _The Hurting_ was a big hit and spawned several big songs (two
notables were "Changes" and "Pale Shelter"). I definitely think this was a
much better album then _Songs From The Big Chair_ as well, so if any of you
like Tears For Fears style, pick up their first one. Apparently they have
broken up (at least Roland is on his own - don't know if he'll continue with
the band name). They released their third album _The Seeds Of Love_ a few years
back (which was just awful!) and just recently a greatest hits.

<Well, I've been holding back on this out of fear of losing any respect I
<may have garnered, but I think Bryan Adams' album Reckless was his debut,
<and while it certainly ain't original, particularly outstanding, or in any
<other way 'epic', it's pretty solid and, following one trend, probably his
<best. (Not that *I* would know, I don't have any of his other ones.)

Nope, _Reckless_ was Bryan's fourth album (I think). Forget the name of his
first, but it had a half decent radio hit called "Remember". His second was
called _You Want It You Got It_. His third (which might have been his first
world wide release) was called _Cuts Like A Knife_. Was pretty big in the
States (made top ten). Yep, _Reckless_ is definitely his best (as compared to
his most recent unoriginal, generic claptrap).

<Please don't tkae this as an insult, it is not meant to be one, but i thought
<their guitar playing was pitiful (i could run circles around them, a fact)

Nope, no insult or offence taken (too much "offensensitivy" around anyway - to
quote Opus). Just wanted to put forth a contrary opinion and get a better idea
why you don't like them. Did you really think the guitar playing was that bad?
I certainly wouldn't call them virtuosos, but I do like the sounds they've
created. "Jeremy" is one of the more original songs you'll hear out there these
days...

<rather hear Billy Ray that listen to that crap again. Just my opinion if
<they move you,let them. If we all agreed on everthing it be a boring world
<don't take offense and start flaming me again(although it's fun)..L.W.

Wow, you must really hate them if you'd rather listen to BRC!! :-) I certainly
didn't mean the first note to be a "flame" nor this one. That's why I like this
list so much, so many varied and diverse opinions. Yep, it'd be pretty darn
dull if we all listened to the same stuff (especially if it was Michael Bolton)

One more Sinead comment...Did anyone catch David Letterman last night? Phil
Hartman (from SNL) was on and Dave asked him about the incident. Phil (in his
whimsical way) said that she ruined the comedy during the last half hour of the
show (I thought the writers usually took care of that!) and that he was
planning to interrupt one of her concerts by ripping up a picture of Uncle
Fester...

Bob T
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Subject: Re: classical training,improv,heart
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              15 Oct 1992 10:06:37 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS. OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I've mostly stayed out of the improv debate, but one fundamental point needs
reiterating ad inf. until everyone understands it:  there is no less feeling
pumped into a performance by good classically trained musicians than into any
improv'er.  Nor any less creativity.  Only someone who hasn't gone through
the process of setting up a part/score and playing it could think otherwise.
At the professional level, playing the pitches & rhythms correctly and
effortlessly is a given.  What distinguishes the players is the feeling, the
brilliance, the musicality they put into a performance.  The differences may
be subtle from performer to performer but they are there--otherwise, we could
let one symphony orchestra record all the symphonic literature & dispense with
the others (yes, yes, I know about conductors & to save time I'm lumping them
in with "performers" above).  If a classical performer isn't playing from the
heart, I seriously doubt whether said performer is going to have much of a
career.  That, in fact, is the long-standing rap against Michala Petri,
although she is a technically wonderful recorder player.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:58:00 EST
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Subject:      corrections re: Epic deput albums

>From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>

> o Steely Dan - *was their first Countdown to Ectasy'?*
No, the first was _Can't Buy A Thrill_.

> o Mahavishnu Orch. - Inner Mountain Flame
Slight typo there.  The title is _Inner Mounting Flame_.

> o Cream - *?*
The title was _Fresh Cream_ or I suppose you could call the album
just _Fresh_ and say the Cream was the band name.

> o Family - Music In A Doll's House
No correction here, just a hearty seconding.

> o Pink Floyd - Sauce Full of Secrets
_Saucer Full of Secrets_ was their second album.  The first one was
_Piper At The Gates Of Dawn_.

I haven't been reading all the posts on this topic so I may be
repeating others nominations, but I would have to include
Deep Purple        _Shades Of_
Velvet Underground _Velvet Underground and Nico_
Tangerine Dream    _Electronic Meditation_
Tony Conrad        _Outside The Dream Syndicate_
Ultravox           _Ultravox!_
Doctors of Madness _All Night Movies and Late Night Brainstorms_

And the Moody Blues consider themselves to have become a new band
when Justin Hayward joined, so if you accept that _Days Of Future
Passed_ becomes their debut.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Department
Michigan State University
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:24:18 CST
From:         "(Arturo Sanchez)" <txmrtur@TXM.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: Equipment Question

"Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET> asks:

>Have you ever heard of an Astatic Microphone...tell me about it price..etc

Astatic? I guess I have, but I don't actually recall the characteristics,
sorry! :-/

>A harp player is looking for something that is about the size of a direct-box
>he doesn't know what it is (it sounds like he's talking about an EQ pedal/box)
>that has slider controls and cuts down on the feedback he gets when he turns
>the amp up past 3 or 4. Does anyone know if it's an EQ he's talking about
>or what is it. Thanks in advance.......L.W...Lenny...Asshole...etc or whatever
>you'd like to call me I can take it..

No need to, but I guess you could get a LOT more help in this area if you
redirect your question the the rec.audio.pro newsgroup in USENET. :-)  If you
don't know how to access USENET, try the command rn rec.audio.pro or consult
your local systems Guru for more information. ;-) The above mentioned group
 deals
with Pro-Class (actually, all kinds...;->  ) of audio equipment in the
instrumental/voice area. As complimentary information, the newsgroup that
deals with hi-fi audio equipment (CDs, tape decks and stuff like that) is
rec.audio (just like that). 8-]

Thats 4 cents...;-)

Later, :-)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:16:05 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Progressive

Marco, thanx 4 the info!

I heard some Camel and Gong, but it was too little to make any opinion
of. What would you recommend as a starting point/album? Also, could you
please elaborate on 'Canterburry school'?
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:13:32 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Epic deput albums

Paul Hosken <RMCB%DLRVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> asks:

> o Steely Dan - *was their first Countdown to Ectasy'?*

Nope, I believe it was "Can't Buy A Thrill".

> o Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

I don't think it was Hot Rats -- I believe it was The Mothers of Invention
(something).

> o Rolling Stones - Out of Our Heads (was this their first?)

I think mine was "England's Newest Hitmakers" or something.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:31:33 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: improvisation vs. interpret

On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:38:22 PDT Mike Masuda said:
>On Improvisation:
>
>%improvisation           what is being         style of music
>after composition        improvised
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> 0%                                            nothing
>10%                      tempo                 classical, renaissance
>20%                      tempo, sections       top 40 (without solos)
>30%                      solos                 top 40 (with solos)
>40%                      notes                 folk
>50%                      length                R & B
>60%                      more notes            bebop
>70%                      more notes            jazz fusion, indian ragas
>80%                      more notes            free form acoustic jazz
>90%                      pitch, timbre         electronic jazz
>100%                                           pink noise
>
>any comments?
>
Yeah, if I understand your list correctly, I don't agree with it.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:13:42 CST
From:         "(Arturo Sanchez)" <txmrtur@TXM.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Mexican composers

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:47:00 ZONE, Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET> comments:

 >     There are some excellant classical guitar pieces written by
 >Mexican composers.  There are recordings of these by both John Williams

Quite right! :-) And not only Classical guitar, but also composers inclined
to the classical current and with great master pieces just like Pablo
Moncayo, who's famous "Huapango" has been played by different orchestras
all over the world. Note that this composition is actually influenced by
this kind of music -Huapango- however, it actually falls in the Classical
area. :^D

Another brilliant composer is Blas Galindo, mostly influenced by mariachi
music in his composition "Sones de Mariachi". 8-] A remarkable array based
on the popular "Son de la Negra". Both compositions are available in CD at
some good CD stores in the US and of course, in Mexico. There's a
version of the "Huapango" (Moncayo) by Luis Cobos, the Hispanic composer
and director. As a matter of fact, he dedicated a whole Album to recompose
some other popular mexican songs to fit the Classical current. The name of
the album is "Mexicano" and the performance is in charge of the Royal
Phylarmonic Orchestra, go for it, I heartly recommend it. :-)
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From: ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins)
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Subject: MORE SRV
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:51:21 GMT
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Due to the response i got on some of the SRV stuff i offered to mail
I'm gonna really freak you out. I have had to opportunity to get my
hands on a "sound-board" recording of the last SRV,Clapton...etc
at Alpine Valley the night of the crash. Please don't send addresses
yet because i'll have to call my friend to make sure i can still get it.
But if i do I'll post it and then accept addreses. I'm almost positive
i can get it. The Quality is not outstanding, but it was a hell of a
show........L.W.
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:09:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl

>I have looked in these types of stores. In fact, here in Baltimore we have
>this chain of stores called "Record and Tape Traders." They used to specialize
      ^^^^^ - well, there's your problem.  Nothing good ever came from a
                chain store.
>in used vinyl. They would also track down an album for you if they didn't
>have it. Now, they are nothing more than a run-of-the-mill CD / Tape store.
>They have *some* used CD's and Tapes at prices only a dollar or so lower than
>new material and have *no* albums at all.
>
>I was in another store recently that *did* have tons of used records, but
>their prices were outrageous, certainly nothing for $3.

I haven't been following this conversation very closely because I thought it
was generally accepted that
  used CD's  -  $7.00 to $8.00  (sometimes even $6.00)
  used vinyl -  $3.00 to $5.00

>...so maybe I just live in the wrong part of the country.

yah, but I coulda told you that.   :-)
Seriously, though.  D.C. kicks and there sould be quite a few places down
that way to get good prices.  Hmmm, time to work up some of those memories.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:21:49 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SELLING OUT
              13 Oct 1992 00:23:07 KST from
              <DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL>

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:23:07 KST <DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL> said:
>I think the keyword in yer' discourse on SOC's recent escapade, or any OTHER
>group, be they r&r, soul, jazz or improvisor, is "sell"... when the ONLY
>motive for performing is "green", folks ARE 'selling out'... now, I make a
>little money on my tapes, or my 'zine, or wotever; but my music is MUCH more
>important than recovering a few buckz... & I suspect you're right on MANY
>musicfolks, not only r&r!  Then too, Americans seem to be BROUGHT UP to look
>for a TICKET to the top, 'stead of WORKING (in the artistic sense, I mean)
>for it...
I agree that when an artist is just out for the money they are selling out
and i loose respect for them (in SOC's case there was none to loose), but i
also wonder why we loose respect when the artist should have the same
opportunity to "earn" money as the rest of us. Do we look down on actors
who do TV/radio commercials, or artists who's work in used in advertising
and....etc. Why do we treat musicians differently or do we....?
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      For Mike Carolchik - no OMC, sorry!

Hi all -
        I'd sent this to Mike t.l.g. but, of course, I have lost his address...
apologies for the wasted bandwidth!

* Mike, might you e-mail me your snail-mail address? The newsletters are about
  to be mailed, but I can't find your address anymore...

  Thanks in advance!

  Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:34:51 EDT
From:         woj <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      blue man group

yay! another blue man fan! i've seen them twice now and while the second
time around was a little bit tedious since i knew all the jokes and all
the things to do, it was still quite an experience. as dave said, they are
messy - or at least the current show that they are doing, _tubes_, is
quite messy. its themes touch on art, art critics, social mores, chaos,
technology and, of course, play. the show has been happening at the astor
place theatre in manhattan for about a year or so. before that, they had
taken it on the road playing in places like california and lawrence, ks.
i wasn't sure that the show was still going on, but since dave's friend saw
them a few weeks ago, i guess it is. if you're in new york and you like
performance art that is both fun and weird and a wee bit thought-provoking,
give them a try.

i'm particularly fond of the music myself - very tribal and driving - like
a lighter version of drowning pool (or mumbles or whatever they call them-
selves these days). i've been hoping that they would release a "soundtrack"
to the performance since it's that good. at least i was able to get it on
tape when they were on the tonight show...

if anyone wants more info, just ask...i've got a program from the perfor-
mance (but no time to find it right now).

woj
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Subject: Marillion in the prog-rock niche
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:06:00 GMT
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        Bob asks how us all "progressive" fans (quotes are mandatory!) feel
about Marillion.
        Hmm... I have mixed feelings... :)
        Well, having loved Genesis in their early and mid years (1970-1977),
I was a bit let down by albums such as "Abacab" and "Genesis". Therefore when
I first heard Marillion I thought they were a potentially good substitution
because of their musical style.
        Indeed, they lack originality... their inspirational sources are well
defined and clear, and they move inside a pretty narrow area -- though they do
it fine.
        Perhaps the most interesting feature of their music was that they ac-
tually tried to mix some heavy guitar sounds with a music which is usually cha-
racterised by mellowy or weeping guitar (well, not *always*, but think of Steve
Hackett... not a hard-rocker!).
        Also, I definitely like Fish as a writer. His lyrics are usually much
better than anything the three survivors of Genesis have been able to put toge-
ther in years. _Misplaced Childhood_ and _Clutching At Straws_ were his best
lyrical attemps, probably.
        Finally, I think it's quite interesting to notice that Marillion have
been the only "progressive" band of the 80s who have been able to gather world-
wide attention. Far more original and better bands never got the visibility
they were able to reach, and this is possibly due to 1) trivial market laws;
2) the fact they actually filled in the hole which Genesis had left.
        Just a thought...

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:19:38 CDT
From:         Debbie Scheibal <DPDS@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Mary Chapin-Carpenter

> Chapin-Carpenter is great. And I'm not so sure she's playing country, but
> she has the country attitude.

I'll second that opinion!  Just got her CD on Saturday.  The Indigo
Girls and Rosanne Cash do back-up on a couple of her songs.  Also,
when venturing in the local "Record Store" I saw a "Lullabyes" CD
that Rosanne Cash, The Indigo Girls, & Mary Chapin-Carpenter each
had a song or two on.  I was short on Cash so I couldn't get it.  I'm
sure it's a goody though.  Anybody have it?  Opinions?

Debbie
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:40:46 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      EARNED INCOME

Leonard sed:

why do we lose respect for them... when the artist should have the same
opportunity to "earn" money as the rest of us?

Yes, Leonard, I agree, but on the other digit, how many folks do you or I
know (especially in the r&r genre originally brought up) who make over a
mil or two a year?  Anyway, it's not the amount; when an artist makes an
fus, anyway) FEEL it
and respect it... I s'pose there IS a tendency in ALL of us to be suspect
of groups/folks who are already ON the r&r gravy-train with 7 & 8 figgers
for income, tho...

ZZAJ
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Assorted Hoohaw

I'm back from North Carolina and I just finished wading through almost 400 new
messages (ouch). I stopped off at a record collectors convention in
Hillsborough and picked up some goodies. I picked up a Marillion video which
contains both videos from Hammersmith in 84 (or was it 83?) and also has
footage from an Italian TV broadcast in 1987. Thrown in at the end is a German
TV interview with Fish (whose English is overdubbed with German!). I also
picked up the King Crimson 84 Tokyo video, The History of Genesis video, and a
Japanese import of Camel's _A Live Record_.

Yesterday in the local paper there was mention of a new (sort of) Peter Gabriel
album due out soon that will contain material from the early seventies!

-Adam
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Date: 16 Oct 92 22:22:00 GMT
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Earlier I said:

>Er..a...that was me.
>Simple, send a message to the above address asking to be added to the list.
>If that doesn't work try sending a message to the owner; I think his address
>is: connelly@key.amadhl.com
                    ^^

That address is wrong. Once again:

Administration :        thrash@key.amdahl.com
                                     ^^

Postings :              metal@key.amdahl.com


Owner :                 connelly@key.amdahl.com

...sorry for the mix-up.

Seeya,
Gary
"If we don't stand together, we stand to lose the future."
- Queensryche
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:51:08 EDT
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Debut albums

Yeah, Boston's first album is a definite r'n r classic. Probably my favourite
album of the 70's. Other great debuts:

   The Cars - The Cars
   Foreigner - Foreigner (yeah, they've become pretty wienie, but this album
                          had a whole mess of good stuff)
   Dire Straits - Dire Straits
   Big Country - Big Country

Hmmm, I guess I really didn't have to include the band names with the album
titles, did I?

Bob (hoping to hit the top 100 posters by Xmas) T