From: vkb57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: The Balkan Dance of Death [Macedonia]
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:35:49 GMT

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In article <1992Dec12.022650.14577@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.224942.17141@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org () writes:
>>
>>It was the Macedonians i.e. the inhabitants of Macedonia, that wanted a
>>separate state and fought hard for it;  the big powers were supporting the
>>idea since it was the only thing that made sense,  the neighbors had different
>>plans,  though.  The ethnic cleansing in Aegean Macedonia that followed the
>>"feeding frenzy"  was nothing to be proud of.  If only Macedonia had oil,  or
>>maybe gold in those times.
>>
>>Vasil Babamov
>
>
> Vasil, you are only one sided informed. Most of the people in Macedonia
> wanted to get rid of the Ottoman muslim-feudal control. There are thousands
> of personal letters writen by Macedonians to their relatives in Greece
> who were praying one day their liberation by Greece to happen. I'm sure
> the same documents exist for Bulgaro-Macedonians. The articles from all
> the ethnographic sources tell so to.
>
> Now, that some warlords (like in Somalia) wanted to become famous in
> world history by becoming rulers of their own state, that's an other
> story. This is exactly what the big powers did in Arab lands and they
> established all the clan leaders as "Kings" and they created "states"
> like Kuwait, United Arab Emirates etc etc all the oil well-states
> for the geo-economic interests of the west (mostly Britain, France, US).
>
> There was no public referendum over what the macedonian habitants
> wanted; only the loud mouthpieces of the warloards.
>
> And again; Read some information from that period; Not the brain-plugging

Gregory,  I was born and raised in Macedonia to family that has lived in the
region for as far as I can trace back,  almost two centuries  and was active
in the liberation movement.  Don't  be so presumptuous.

Yes,  there were probably Macedonians that were praying that the brotherly
Christian Greece would liberate the from the Muslim Turk yoke.  Maybe even
thousands.  What they did not realize was that,  once they liberated them from
the Turks,  the Greeks were going to proceed to liberate them from their
language, their old Slavonic church books,  their names and the names of their
villages, mountains and rivers.  I am sure that the 11th and 12th century old
Slavonic writings on the church-wall frescoes did not fare much better.  You
know about most of that,  it has been on the net again and again,  quotes,
dates,  and the whole bit.

I am also sure there were some Greeks that were praying during World War II
that the Russians would liberate them from the German occupation.  Aren't you
happy that their prayers went unanswered.  The Greek liberation movement played
a significant role in the liberation,  instead.  Would you be really flattered
if someone from a neighboring country,  lets say Turkiye,  was explaining to
you that these patriots were just some local warlords (just like in Somalia)
and they they forgot to hold a referendum before shooting every German.

> Neo-Skopjian creativity. (Do you want me to copy the relevant part from
> the Harvard encyclopedia? :-))
>
Yes,  please do post parts from the Harvard encyclopedia,  as often as you
can.  Whenever i see them,  I get reassured that not all Greeks are as bad or
as badly biased as some of them,  and that there is still hope for peace in the
Balkans.  Your distinguished compatriot Chris Spirou,  for example,  former
democratic candidate for Governor of new Hampshire,  was so"appalled" when he
"read the chapter on Macedonians,  pages 690-694,"  that in July of 1986 he
fired and angry 13-page letter to then Harvard president Derek Bok,
requesting, among other things that,  an erratum be published.  His stand was
apparently endorsed even by Governor Dukakis on August 9, 1986 in the Boston
Globe.  As you can see,  you have come a long way.

Try to make sure that what you post reflects the impression given by the whole
pieece,  and do not take parts of paragraphs out of context.

> Gr

Vasil
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