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From: xx10645@cehp15 (Xiaocun Xu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1Gv8D.7q5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:

>In article <1k2ekvINN6kf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>>
>>Kansas was blown out by Long Beach State.  Is this the biggest upset of the
>>decade?
>>

>Probably not.  Long Beach State is a better team than anyone
>gives them credit for.

>>Georgia Tech and Charleston was big, but GT was not ranked #1.
>>

>Even that wasn't all that big a deal.  Has Georgia Tech won a
>game since then?

Actually, the Yellow Jackets beat Virginia on the road just the past weekend.
Virginia, went 11-0 and ranked #7 before lost two in a row in one week span.

>>However, Long Beach State defeated UNLV at home earlier this season.  It's a
>>good team, and they were at the bottom of the Top 25 earlier this year (Slipped
>>out about 3 or 4 weeks ago).
>>

>They were in the Top 25 last week I believe, at least on the AP Poll.  They
>fell out after losing to a couple of conference opponents.  They have a
>lot of potential, but really aren't very consistant.  They beat UNLV one
>week, and then followed by losing to Fresno St. or Pacific or somebody
>equally as bad. 

I remember one of their lose was on ESPN Big Monday to UCSB.  The game wasn't
very close and UCSB won by ~10 points.

>>Why did Kansas lose?  They failed to respect their opponent.  When you fail
>>to respect your opponent, you deserve to get beat.

>Maybe, but you should not take any credit from Long Beach St.  They aren't
>a bad team, and should easily qualify for the NCAA Tournament. 

This I agree.

>Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:53:21 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
 <exby.727994283@spot.Colorado.EDU> <1993Jan25.163312.14238@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
 <exby.728064288@spot.Colorado.EDU>

In article <exby.728064288@spot.Colorado.EDU>, exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
says:
>ya know - I dont even know if the UofI has a womens basketball
   Ignorance is bliss.
   But of course I don't even know if Illinois has a good men's basketball
team - I'm too busy watching Rene Portland stomp the Lady Illini every time
they come to town!
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who's Stupider Here? (Charlie Ward stuff)
Keywords: Charlie Ward, FSU, dumb-off
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:22:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(William Keleher) writes:
>
>   Uh-huh.  In an ESPN report during the football season, Dean Smith
>said Ward was "the best point guard I've ever seen."  I'm inclined to
>think that old Dean knows a little about the subject...

What else could he have said? He had to be gracious...
And in any case Bobby Hurley plays in the same league as Ward.....

>
>   Gee, FSU beat Clemson?  On their home court?  Next thing you know,
>they'll be knocking off the Mighty Pitt Panthers.
>
>								     -Wm.


Lets see, I know a way we can obtain a resolution of this problem. 4 weeks
ago # 10 (sic) FSU played and was hammered by Duquesne University. In their
next game Duquesne was humbled by the MPP, and a real Point guard Jerry "Ice"
McCollough,SSG, scored 29 points including 4 of six from trey-land...

Here the case is rested and may  the facts speak for themselves..



makala
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Opinions on Dick Vitale
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:34:19 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <2555@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands) writes:
>In article <9103@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>>Just my $.02 worth...
>>I think Jim Valvano is, without a doubt, the best college basketball
>>announcer I have ever heard.
>
>	I will be saddened by Valvano's death as much as by
>the loss of any other person, but where is it written that
>when a person is nearing his demise, he is promoted to godlike
>status, regardless of what his/her behavior was before this
>demise?  Sure Valvano always TALKED a good game, regarding
>really loving his kids (players) and taking care of them, but
>the fact is he just wanted them to put the ball in the hole.
>His graduation record at NCSU was something on the order of
>42%, if I recall, and that does not exactly bring to mind
>taking care of your kids.....

	What does this have to do with how good an announcer he is (which was,
after all, the subject of discussion)?

>					-Bill S.
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From: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Subject: Re: UNLV, Long Beach ST, The Big West, Kansas, Georgetown and anything else
Reply-To: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:16:18 GMT

ragnarok@reed.cs.unlv.edu (Ben Yerushalmi) writes:
) UC Irvine has
) beaten UNLV at the Mack as well as Oklahoma (w/ Stacey King) and Louisville
) (w/ Pervis Ellison). I can't remember who else.

Don't forget the first team to do it, Gtown (w/ Ewing) by 1 point.
One of the best games I've ever attended.

						--Greg
From: edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: McGuire's All-time IU Team
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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In article <1k3tosINNbbo@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
>	In the last IU game, I wonder if anyone else noticed the all-time IU  
>team picked by Al McGuire.  I forget everyone on the list, but one surprise was  
>the inclusion of Keith Smart.  What was McGuire thinking?    McGuire said  
>something like Smart was his kind of athlete.  Granted, Smart was a great  
>athlete, but he only played two years and his second year wasn't very  
>impressive.  Surely, one would have to include Steve Alford  before Smart.   
>There are actually many players that should have been included instead of  
>Smart.
>
>					Tony Erwin  
>

I think the IU team was Kent Benson, Scott May, Calbert Cheaney, Keith Smart, and
Isiah Thomas (?).

McGuire also had an all-time OSU team

Clark Kellogg
Kelvin Ransey
Jerry Lucas
John Havlicek
Jimmy Jackson

McGuire also chose the Worst Player in OSU history......Bobby Knight



Karl
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kansas skanks...
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:14:58 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.093615.26034@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke) writes:
>>Had KU not gotten this little shock treatment, their insulated sense of
>>reality would have assured them of an early exit from the Tournament, which
>>might still happen.  At least now they have a fighting chance to get mean.
>
>I hope you're right.  (Very little you have said to date would make me
>think this is a possibility, however.)
>
I was wondering when this was going to happen.  KU has had some poor
outings in the first half, only to come back with some great play
in the second half.  I was thinking that KU might get stuck in that
frame of mind, "that they can beat anyone despite a poor half".
I think this is actually good for the Jayhawks.  This should show them
that a full game is needed and not just a second half.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:16:37 GMT

wilder@nx04.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>Travis Ford, here at Kentucky, is at about 50% behind the arc.

>I think the Cats as a team are probably about 40%.  Maybe a little
>higher.

	I haven't looked at the stats recently, but I doubt UK has too high
	of a 3-pt percentage.  Last year, they hovered aroung 34% which was
	close to the bottom in the SEC.  This is mostly due to their
	saturation bombing.  Besides Ford, and perhaps Mashburn, I don't
	see anyone else over 40%.  Rhodes maybe, but the likes of Brown,
	Braddy, and Brassow have been bricking away.

	Which brings up the point -- what's w/ Brassow anyways?  He hasn't
	appeared lately in games.

	Jazzy J

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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:19:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: Shiva.1993Jan26.161958.20739
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: usa
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <C1FBt7.1Jz@ssesco.com> tmorgan@chips.ssesco.com (Toni Morgan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.184606.6531@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("") writes:
>
>>The Hoos went to the Final Four without Sampson in the 1980's, although I
>>can't remember the year....I think it was the year after
>>Sampson left.  If not maybe with Olden Polynice.....anyone know
>>for sure?
>
>1984.  By an incredible coincidence, I had "won" 4 tix in the Final Four lottery
>that year.  I also lost a dinner bet that ended up costing me about $100 - at
>mid-season I was certain that I would be watching UNC in Seattle.  The $100
>dinner was worth the chance to see my beloved Hoos in the Final Four.  They
>had Othell Wilson and Ricky Stokes in the back court, but the rest of the roster
>at least temporarily slips my mind.  Possibly one or more of Miller & Mullen.
>I think Polynice was still on the team then.  I still have a program at home,
>so will check.  They played in the best game of the Final Four, taking Houston
>to overtime before losing a close one.  The other semi-final, between Kentucky
>(with Sam Bowie) and eventual champion Georgetown, was a disaster for Kentucky,
>who couldn't get the ball into the basket in the second half (or was it the
>first?).
>

Tom Sheehy, Olden Polynice, Jeff Mullen, some others...  Wingo Smith was on
the team, but was booted for vacationing in the Bahamas when he should have
been in school.  I think.



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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Wisconsin beats Michigan State!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:11:52 CST

Wisconsin       67
Michigan State  66

Well, Wisconsin wins their third straight game over a ranked Big 10
opponent, but more importantly, on enemy territory.  This was Wisconsin's
first big road win since Brian Good hit a buzzer-beater to get a one-point
win at Iowa in 1991.  Michael Finley poured in 28 points for the winning
Badgers, while Mike Peplowski (Peps) scored 21 in a losing cause.  Jason
Johnsen hit a three-point basket with 3 seconds on the clock to give
Wisconsin their first lead since the opening minutes (and perhaps their
only lead of the game), and Michigan State could not get a good shot off in
the time remaining.

Michigan State had control of this game, including a 39-31 halftime lead,
but stopped playing basketball with about 8 minutes left, and let Wisconsin
ease their way back into the game.  Mike Peplowski fell down (that's what
you get for leaning on your defender - good job for backing off of him so
he would fall, Damon Harrell!) and hit the ball out-of-bounds.  Wisconsin
got the ball with a 2-point deficit and held it until Johnsen got the
winning shot.

Finley has scored 21, 34, and 28 points in his last three games, and
probably is a lock for Big 10 Player-of-the-week, and perhaps might get
mention in the SI Player-of-the-week.  Outside the Purdue game, Michael has
played all-conference caliber basketball, and may earn a spot on the
2nd-team Big 10 All-Conference Team (it would be hard to get by Cheaney,
Webber, Earl, and Robinson on the 1rst team).  His only bad game was at
Purdue.

Michigan State has really disappointed this year.  They seem to fold in the
clutch.  So far, this is their 2nd home loss to a team they should have
beaten.  I'm looking for the Big 10 teams except IU and Michigan to exit
the top 20 very quickly, where Illinois might work its way up to being
ranked.

Next up for is the Fighting Illini at Champaign.  If Wisconsin can play
respectably in this game, I'll say they are for real, and if they actually
can win, I'll be extremely impressed.  This game may be tough for the
Badgers, as they can't match up well with Deon Thomas, but the same thing
was true with Funderburke and Peplowski, and they came away with 2 wins.
After that, they travel to Penn State next Saturday.  If they Badgers play
their up-tempo game, they should sufficiently frustrate the Nittany Lions,
but I could see Bucky possibly letting down in this game if they play well
at Illinois.  At any rate, a 2-1 record on this road trip would be
excellent, and would represent as many Big 10 road wins as Steve Yoder
earned his final two years here.
-- 

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From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State vs. Indiana Prophecy
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:11:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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It was close at the half, separated only by the lopsided free-throw
shooting (4-5 for OSU, 14-19 for IU), which seems to happen evey 
year (OSU shot 8 to IU's 30 some last time they played in Indiana).
But the Bucks were outplayed in the second half.  Funderburke is a
real disappointment.  If they could get a dominant big man to go with
Simpson, Macon, and Anderson (Antonio Watson would make anice forward
just as Funderburke would, neither belong at center) this would be
and unstoppable team for the next three years.  Ah well, onto  another
defeat at Michigan on Tuesday (I just hope they can keep it a little
closer this time).  Bye-Bye Top 25.
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:14:49 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1k41g3INNdin@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
>In article <C1H33u.IJy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>|> 
>|> I'd bet on Kansas over Michigan most days of the week, but KU-IU will always
>|> be a close call, IMO.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> RStimets
>|> 
>
>Jesus!  You're from IU and you'd say that!?!?!?!

Gee, why not?
>
>Did you bother to watch your team play UM in Ann Arbor?  Did you see the
>game both teams played?  Did you even see the UM-Kansas game?  And (most
>importantly) did you see the KU - Long Beach State game (you posted
>after the game!).
>
>Nothing personal, but IMHO, I think you've lost your mind.
>
This may be so, but I stick to what I wrote.

Why do I think Kansas is overall a better team than Michigan?  Because when they 
decide that their strength is their half-court game they play as well as anyone 
in the country.  However, if they decide they'll "show up" a lesser team, they'll
burn themselves running, IMO.  No, I didn't see KU-LBS, though I understand 
that KU was unprepared for a pressing LBS defense.  The Wolve's don't have that 
sort of defense.  In a similar vein, Kansas flopped against my faves UTEP.  Perhaps
Roy Williams isn't that great a coach, if he can get popped so bad when he has 
such great talent.


As far as Michigan goes, they did lose what to them should have been the biggest
game of the year, blew a shot at Duke, and just snuck by the Tarheels.  Their 
players talk up such a streak that other teams rise to the occasion of playing them.
Given another Michigan-Kansas game I'd give Michigan 5 pts.  Really.


RStimets
From: rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bob Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: David J's Super 7 (was: K-Who?)
Keywords: K-Who?  Tarheels #1
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:07:25 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

David J., bass player for Love and Rockets, writes:
>UNC     #1   one close loss to Mich.
>Cinci.  #2   one loss to IU at IU (when Van Exel was visibly hurting)
^^^^^^^  ^^ no way.
>IU      #3   close losses to Kansas & UK, beat Michigan in Ann Arbor
>Mich.   #4   close loss to IU at home, loss to Duke at Duke
>Kent.   #5   upset at Vandy, something else I'm forgetting
>Kansas  #6   loss to Michigan, LBSU upset, beat OU at home
>Duke    #7   hey, they're Duke.  Whatcha expect?

UC at #2?!  I don't think so.  Van Exel or not, I've felt this team
has been overrated all year long, especially by their own fans.  Their
final four trip last year was an accomplishment, but somewhat of a
fluke.  They're a good team having a good year, but they play nobody,
so their record looks phenomenal.  In fact, only a Van Exel prayer
kept them from losing to UAB (1-3 in the Metro) at HOME over the
weekend.

Any one of the other six teams you list there would have Cinci running
for cover.

Bob

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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Homecourt Advantage
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:37:30 GMT

In article <1k97icINN8nn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>North Carolina and IU both rallied last night to win on their home floors.
>
>I have to give UNC credit, they made 5 straight 3-ptrs.  But, IMHO, the
>referees took over from there.  I can't say exactly how many fouls were not
>called on UNC during the huge rally, but the referees were obviously ignoring
>blatant UNC fouls.
>
>I understand there was a hokey 5-sec call in the IU game, but all I saw at the
>end was an IU player smacking a Minnesota player in the arm (i.e., foul) on
>Minnesota's last drive, the ball dribbles out of bounds, no call.

Just so you'd know, Indiana had a foul to give and they were TRYING to foul
the guy with the ball since there was only like 4 seconds left in the game.
Had there been a foul called, Minnesota would have something like three ticks
to get a shot off.  It didn't look good for them anyway.
>
>I bet the losing teams will get similar breaks on their home floors later this 
>year.  I'm just sorry basketball has to have this sort of thing, but it's
>reality.  Luckily, the real games are played on neutral floors (NCAA
>Tournament).  Flame away, UNC/IU fans. ;-)
>
No flames, just the facts.


RStimets

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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: Easiest Gyms in America
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:46:10 GMT

After the past week, I'd say its Alexander Memorial Coliseum, alias
the Thrillerdome, alias the ChokerDome ...


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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Who's Stupider Here? (Charlie Ward stuff)
Keywords: Charlie Ward, FSU, dumb-off
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:04:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.212933.26753@cs.tulane.edu> keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher) writes:
>
>> > (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>> >Wow! The girl thinks her first boyfriend is the worlds best lover.....
>> >Charlie Ward is a beneficiary of the Dion Neon Sanders syndromme. A
>> >totally average player in baseball finds himself acclaimed in the
>> >sport simply because of the hype value- which he has earned ONLY in
>> >football...
>
>   Uh-huh.  In an ESPN report during the football season, Dean Smith
>said Ward was "the best point guard I've ever seen."  I'm inclined to
>think that old Dean knows a little about the subject...
>
>> (D. Head) replies:
>> Boy, from the previous article I thought it was just ignorance you suffered
>> from.  But now you just proved you have an excuse for that ignorance ...
>> STUPIDITY!  Go get a book from the library and first learn a bit about the
>> game of basketball before you totally embarrass yourself here on the net!
>> By the way, that "average" player scored 20 points at Clemson last night to
>> help lead TOP 25 Florida State to a win!
>
>   Gee, FSU beat Clemson?  On their home court?  Next thing you know,
>they'll be knocking off the Mighty Pitt Panthers.
>
>								     -Wm.

*ahem* Dave's point was not that FSU made some major accomplishment by
defeating Clemson, his point was simply in using Ward's performance in the
game to refute the previous poster's claim that Ward was only "average".
Gee, _NOW_ who's stupid?

Kevin (just a joke...down boy...DOWN)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Brian Hendrick
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:43:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan25.220829.29608@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>Ken "I'll also try to mention Lamond Murray less" B. 

Lets just hope Gary did not hear yesterday when Cheryl Miller and her  
partner proclaimed Murray "one of the 20 best players in the country
without question". I mean how could a guy who is not even 1st team all
Pac-10 be that good (-:.

If I had to guess, I would say this will be the 1st team all pac-10 as
of today.

Scott Haskin OSU
Chris Mills  Arizona
Ed O Bannon UCLA
Lamond Murray Cal
Jason Kidd/Damon Stoudamire (cannot make up my mind, Kidd has more
rebounds and steals, Stoudamire has been more consistent, by March
Kidd will likely be the clear choice). This leaves off some good
players, and has only one guard, but the Pac does not pick the team
by position and there probably will not be a true 2 guard on the 
team(Tarver and A. Stoudamire are the best). 

Anyways, congrats to Cal on an impressive win yesterday. Hopefully
its a sign of things to come for Hendrick and Haase(who was struggling
in the conference games). That was the Cal team we have been waiting to
see. Its only one game, but after the tough (and unfair IMHO) loss to\
USC, it may turn out to be a turning point.




Russ Smith
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