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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Chicago Bookstores [was: Good bookstore (for a change)]
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:15:44 GMT

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec18094054@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
> Concerning the Chicago Great Bookstore Search, can anyone say anything
> about Great Expectations Bookstore?

It's in the rec.arts.books North American Bookstores FAQ (I have just
split the miscellaneous bookstore listings into North American and
European):
Great Expectations (911 Foster St near the El tracks, a couple of
                streets north of Emerson just east of Sherman).  "It's an
                interesting place with easy chairs and cats scattered
                around.  I once overheard the proprietor tell a potential
                customer that the book the customer wanted to order was too
                easy to find.  Better bring along your checkbook though; it
                ain't cheap."

(For those who don't know what a FAQ is or how to use it, it's a
"Frequently Asked Questions" list posted regularly to the group; in
this case  the Subject: line would be "Bookstores in Various North
American Cities (rec.arts.books).")

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"God does not play dice with the universe."  --Albert Einstein
"Albert, stop telling God what to do."  --Niels Bohr
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:48:37 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec14.051755.9983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
...
>
>It's _more_ than a religion.

I used to think Catch-22 was funny.  Then I got a job that took
me to an Air Force Base.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:54:39 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited


Mike Godwin said:

		In fact, it was to promote a sense of this obligation 
		that I first promulgated Godwin's Rule. 

That word *Rule*, sounds like coercion to me...

Alan

-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Silverlock (Was Re: Quotes, quotes, quotes)
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:31:38
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
	<1992Dec14.215759.20860@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec18.005912.15496@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: kucera@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.005912.15496@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kucera@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Therese Kucera) writes:

> Can anybody tell me the source of the Lucus (Lucias?) Gil Jones
> subplot, about the man who is turned into a donkey? I don't think it is
> a reference to Pinocio or MidSummer Night's Dream. But I do think it
> might be from the same source as the opera in Robertson Davies
> _A_Mixture_of_Frailties_. ("The Golden Ass", if I remember correctly.
> Can anyone tell me anything about the literary source for that?

There are two sources, actually; Lucius Jones gets his two names from
those two sources.  The first is _The Golden Ass_, by the ancient
author Apuleius.  The other is _Tom Jones_, by Henry Fielding.

I'm in the middle of _Tristram Shandy_ right now; it seems very
similar to _Tom Jones_ in a number of ways.
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Cambridge mimes & Third World Bookstores (was Re: Git)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:09:21 GMT

James P.H. Fuller writes:

>kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
>
>>>    Besides, the only significant difference between Cambridge and the 
>>>    third world is that the third world is slightly better because there
>>>    are fewer mimes there.
>>
>>	Whoa, hold on! I've lived in Cambridge for two years now and
>>*never* seen a mime - jugglers, yes, mimes, no. And surely the only
>>significant difference between Cambridge and the third world is that
>>Cambridge is slightly better because there are more bookstores here.
>
>
>     Speaking strictly of used book stores, I have had considerably
>better success in more out-of-the-way places than I ever had in Cam-
>bridge.  During the interval I spent at the H-school and cruised the
>dusty-book joints within smelling distance of the Charles I got the 
>impression that a great many people of educated taste and discrimina-
>tion had gone through their bookshelves and sold off the trash.  In 
>particular I have never before or since seen so many broken sets of 
>the Waverley novels in one small neighborhood.

	Strictly speaking of used bookstores, I agree. Beyond McIntyre
& Moore and Starr there are much better used bookstores in the
outlying areas. I take this as a consequence of expensive Harvard
Square rents. Still, for bookstores generally the Square is great. A
guide to Cambridge Bookstores lists 19 in the vicinity and 32 in
Cambridge.

	Keith


--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A RAB symposium?
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:15:41 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <gyg2+6k@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1gajdlINN512@morrow.stanford.edu>, Cap'n Fido writes:
>
>|> I have
>|> changed the  Distribution from ba to world so as to generate some jealousy
>|> around the net. I have in mind particularly the NY crowd who are going
>|> to spend their RABullshit session arguing just where to place the *'s in
>|> **** and ****.
> 
> No hard feelings, Cap'n, I'll hoist a glass of b**r in your
honor.

James, there are at least two of us here in the home of Uncle
Sam, I bet we could have our own rabfest, should we care to.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken)
Subject: _Dog Soldiers_ by R. Stone, a wild ride!
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:05:52 GMT

A few weeks ago someone requested names of books that could be
described as "a wild ride," where the reader feels helplessly drawn
into a breathless adventure.  At the time I couldn't think of anything
appropriate, but I think _Dog Soldiers_ fits the bill.  The plot
concerns two ex-Marines who try to make some money selling heroin in
the U.S. at the height of the Vietnam War.  The setting is the streets
and backwaters of the Bay Area and L.A., and the characters are
desperate in an intriguing way.  The book is pretty much a road story,
but even though there's a lot of "action," the prose is beautiful, and
there's a lot more to think about than in _Thelma and Louise_.

By the way, does anyone on this group ever read NON-fiction?   I read
non-fiction about 50% of the time, but I would guess that I am in the
minority here.
-- 
Alison Chaiken 				alison@wsrcc.com
(510) 422-7129 [daytime] 		or chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov
Look if you like, but you will have to leap.

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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Is a bimbo the modern name for hussy?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec18.194037.19020@PacBell.COM>
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:53:12

I'm beginning to get it.  Is a bimbo what a Valley girl become when
she drops out of high school?

It seems that the use of bimbo to refer to males is not in popular
use.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: alcoholics synonymous
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:34:35 GMT

In article <1gilifINNrp2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
|> 
|> Translation:
|> Do you like this garden that is yours?
|> Keep your kids from ruining it ..
 
 The problem is how the kids can keep their _parents_ from ruining this garden.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:05 GMT

In article <JMC.92Dec14095813@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>There is tolerance and there is tolerance.
>     You ought certainly to forgive them as a christian, but
>     never to admit them in your sight, or allow their names to
>     be mentioned in your hearing. - Pride and Prejudice

Dear Jane was never faced with USENET, and a good thing, too. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Another club within a club! (Was: excellent reading!)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 DEC 92 19:48:50 GMT

Fiona Webster writes:

>Meg Worley has a whim: 
>>Ah, I see it now.  Another r.a.b. club is forming in the 
>>distance.  Let me see if I can make it out.... 
>>LOINRETSH -- Loyal Order of INdividuals Richly Earning 
>>the Scorn of Heather. 

>A most welcome suggestion, if only because I was feeling rather 
>left out of the spinning spinsters club for reasons of bein' 
>a 15-year vet at bein' married...at least I know I belong to 
>this one.  (-:  

Well, if you people feel you need an emotional support structure, by all
means, organize yourselves.  But whatever happened to cussed individualism?

>I'm reading Tom Maddox's _Halo_ even as we speak

Do be sure to give all us r.a.b.sters an in-depth review and analysis when
you're done!

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A modest proposal (was: Git)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:05 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>>
>>Here in Canada I hear it as "Don't get your knickers in a twist".
>>Any other variations on this?
>>Margaret
>>
>We have it over here as "dont get your knickers in a twist" too...
>what's all this bunch business???
> 
>Joolz

+-------------------------------------------SubG------------------------------+
'Round our way we just don't wear knickers.  Although I do have this smashing
pair of flannel boxers.  Helps deal with these here cold winter nights in south
Texas.

Crickey, but it's impossible to find any thermal underthings around here.










SubGenius
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Literary SF, Nabokov's _Ada_
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:58:19 GMT

In article <BzHtz3.1sw@wsrcc.com> alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:
>I, on the other hand, thought _Lolita_ was boring, and trash besides.
>Did anyone really enjoy the second half, where Q. is leaving clues for
>poor Humbert to track down?

Yes. The plot is the least of it, though. Have you given some thought to
how Quilty is a reflection of Humbert, who has own love of dropping
clues--he starts dropping them for the reader on the first page of his
narrative. (And Nabokov starts dropping clues in his fake "introduction"
to Humbert's story.)

>What did all the obscure word games have
>to do with the other primary themes of the book, namely the
>innocence/shame dichotomy and the difficulty that teens and adults
>have in understanding one another?

Have you given thought to the fact that Humbert is a foreigner, and
English is an acquired tongue for him? Ever notice how much of 
Humbert's travails (a word whose etymology creates a Nabokovian
resonance) have to do with bridging a culture gap?

Ever thought of how Nabokov's love of English and America might parallel
Humbert's love of Lolita and America?

And this is just one possible avenue that a reader could follow in pursuit
of the meaning of those word games.

>I thought _Lolita_ was one of the
>worst "classics" I have ever read, and only finished it because I kept
>thinking that something wonderful must be right around the corner.

Try it again in ten years, say I.

>Shocking in its time, II: _Portnoy's Complaint_, on the other hand, is
>a fairly entertaining coming-of-ages-Jewish tale.

Yikes. Philip Roth has good moments, but he's no Nabokov.

>I'd take it over
>_Catcher in the Rye_ any day.  I consider CitR to be quite dated,

You're 0 for three with this reader. I prefer Salinger to Roth, although
there's a minor risk that too much rereading of CATCHER will lead you to
attempt the assassination of a former Beatle.

>whereas the experiences of Alexander Portnoy are universal enough to
>last for a few more decades.  Is there an equivalent book for young
>women?

It's not a coming-of-age story any more than COMPLAINT is, but Erica
Jong's FEAR OF FLYING was frequently compared to Roth's book when it was
published.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22731 alt.cult-movies:11360
From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Banzai novelization
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:11:43 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <18DEC199200391962@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>Fiona Webster writes...
>>see it offered in their monthly catalog--and the asking price is
>>usually $10-.
>'Scuse me...is that a price for the PAPERback?
>If it is, colour me a chump, as I've gone through a dozen copies or so, each
>had for less than a buck and given gratis to various august personages and

You must have a better source for it than I do.  I've both bought and sold
copies of the paperback for $30, and will snap up any copy I see at under
$10.  The $30 I bought was after being BB-less for several years, having
foolishly loaned my only copy to somebody without taking their name and
firstborn as collateral, so I was quite desparate.  I sold it to another
person when I found a replacement at $10.  And just a few months ago I
found one at half the cover price... go figure.

Of course, I'm a special case... I have the huge poster, the stand-up
movie poster, Peter Weller's own headband, and Richter's own copy of the
smaller poster.  And both versions of the comic book.  And two versions
of the script.  And so on.
-- 
	Jim Gillogly
	U.S. National Debt: $4,173,985,353,482
	Your Share: $16,307
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis)
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion: rec.arts.books.reviewed
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.000310.26888@midway.uchicago.edu> djb6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Is it worthwhile to ask for two groups, say, one for fiction and
>the other for non-fiction?

I don't personally feel there will be enough traffic to merit two
groups.  Perhaps the posters can just be kind enough to indicate the
type of book in the subject line?

-sz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:16:12 GMT

In article <9212181601.AA04042@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>You should have come to the NYC r.a.b.fest at the White Horse.  Mike Godwin
>showed us the R.A.B. Inner Clique Secret Handshake.

	Only the ICSH?

	I guess he didn't really trust you, or he'd have shown you the 
Get Down with the Inner Clique Secret Handshake and Hiphop Motto.

	Of course if he'd been *really* taken with you . . .

[ob. books:  Ruben Martinez, _The Other Side: Fault Lines, Guerrilla 
Saints and the True Heart of Rock 'n Roll_.  Another Christmas/Channukah,
Advent, Heart of Winter present.  Verso Books, who also publish _City of
Quartz_.]
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone, chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Foul and to the point (Was:  Git)
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:59:11 GMT

I recall an anecdote about an actor who was trying to get hold of
Roman Polanski to ask about a part in an upcoming movie of his.
After leaving numerous messages on his answering machine, none
of which were returned, this woman apparently delivered a 30-minute
tirade, consisting almost entirely of creatively foul language,
into said machine.  Polanski reported that he liked her tirade
so much, and was so impressed that a *woman* could curse like
the proverbial nautical type, he called her and essentially 
offered her a part on the spot.  

An interesting way of landing a job through a display of superior
language skills, I thought.

							--Fiona
From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Airport Bookstores (was: Books for Christmas)
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:13:20 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <1992Dec16.193259.27518@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson) writes:
>In a recent rec.arts.books article, Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> wrote:

>>few decent airport bookstores; I know the one at O'Hare, but would
>>appreciate other recommendations.)  
>
>Portland International has an outlet of Powell's. 

The book racks in Frankfurt's airport are worth hitting.  After two weeks
of looking all over Britain for some out-of-print Modesty Blaise books by
Peter O'Donnell (among other things, of course), there was "The Night of
Morningstar" just sitting there, dusty as all get-out and apparently
waiting for me for years.  This was before the Mysterious Press reprints,
so there wasn't any obvious way to score it.  Huzzah!

Of course, one *always* checks out the airport bookstores, or any other
bookstores, if there's time... so to a first approximation it doesn't
matter which ones are good.
-- 
	Jim Gillogly
	U.S. National Debt: $4,172,358,587,524
	Your Share: $16,301
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Reality of imaginary events
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:13

Indeed there is a similarity between imaginary events and real ones.
However, I would imagine that treating them in exactly the same way
in psychotherapy would lead greater and greater fantasies.

     A major problem with the assumption (even in Freud's hands,
     but especially in the hands of many followers) is the
     uncertainty of criteria for determining when it is the
     patient's associative networks that have been laid bare and
     when it is the analyst's.

 - Nisbett and Ross, Human Inference, p.243.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: All I want for xmas
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:36:20 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

In article <1gma80INNcvu@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> Meg Worley writes:
> 
> 	I want an American quotation book to round out
> 	my Oxford.  Rage away,
> 
> Try John Bartlett's *FAMILIAR QUOTATIONS*. 
> 
> 						Fido

I think I've heard of that one.

Actually I was hoping my mother, who lurks here
on my recommendation now & again, might takethe
hint and donate her copy.  Failing that, I wouldn't
mind a kind pom -- redundant, I know -- might
reassure me that an *American* quotation book is
completely unnecessary.

meg

-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu		
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: excellent reading!
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.121813.3424@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona "Eliza" Webster) writes:
>>Hey, I bear no malice toward any of you folks, even after being told to "fuck
>>off and die".  I just think you're an amusingly self-absorbed little clique. 
>Ahh, now we're getting somewhere...would you care to elaborate on those
>feelings, Ms. Henderson?

Hey, no commercial use of USENET, please! :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
From: djb6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dennis Brennan)
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion: rec.arts.books.reviewed
Reply-To: djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:03:10 GMT

Is it worthwhile to ask for two groups, say, one for fiction and
the other for non-fiction?


-- 
Dennis Brennan
djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.comedy.british,soc.culture.british,alt.fan.monty-python
From: andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Get fucked. Was: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:48:03 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:47:33 GMT

ala American early readers:

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>        Fuck, Fuck, fuck!!!

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         Fuck is a Cunt cunt fucking fucked up cunt.
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