HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:27:00 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Mary Cardenas (cardenas@ucsb.edu) wrote:
 
> Joseph Francis writes:
> >
> >Reminds me of when I performed "El Pato Electronico" by some
> >unnameable Argentine composer: 15 oboes, 2 english horns, and Oboe
> >d'amore. It had a subtle charm all its own. <cough> To frighten the
> >horses we would play it sometimes /without vibrato/ (shrieks from
> >backstage).
> 
> i think handel's water music also is scored for some
> horrendoes # of oboes, but there the public is protected
> because the musicians are on a barge.

One is reminded [dare I say it?] of P.D.Q. Bach's use of
double reeds in his cantata "Iphigenia in Brooklyn".  As
Peter Schickle points out, althought many composers had
previously used double reeds. P.D.Q. Bach was the first
to use double reeds without benefit of oboes or bassoons.

The effect is stunning.

--jns
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss and MOW
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0o680.AF3
Organization: Open Communications Forum

jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs) writes:


>There has been a bit of discussion recently about trying to get
>this group together in some fashion during the March on
>Washington.  I have a few suggestions on the subject.  

[discussion on dinner deleted, count me in.]

Are there any other motssi who are planning to participate in the
CD on April 26?  "Might like you betta if we were arrested together."
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k+(+)s-e++ | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:05:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.230836.696@Princeton.EDU> spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>In article <76203@apple.apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>And *I* - who have a Wesley Crusher postcard pinned to the
>>wall of my cube - *cannot* *go*.  No.  *I* am stuck here,
>>where I have to set up fifty some odd macs and four big 
>>old IBMs sose as Very Important Developers will be happy,
>>and sose as there will be a Macworld *next* year - where
>>I can probably *again* miss the beefcake...
>
>Am I the only one in the newsgroup who DOESN'T find Wil Wheaton
>attractive, or is everyone else in that category just ignoring this
>thread?

Just ignoring the thread, I think.  It's not that I find him unattractive,
it's just that I would be more inclined to babysit him than date him.

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Supersedes: <1993Jan4.212848.27943@news.ysu.edu>
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:33:28 GMT

anon.106@pax.tpa.com.au wrote:

: O.K. so I am new to this.  I've read a whole lot of posts about
: the codes.  I figured out there are "bears" and "smurfs".  But
: no one has given a KEY to all those cap and lc letters with -'s 
: and +'s.  Given the exchanges about e+ and e++, I assume this has
: something to do with endowments, but I can't tell where the scale
: begins, at 6", 8" or 10"?  And what about cut/uncut which is what
: I am interested in, or shaved balls?

My opinion - for what it's worth:

Most guys in the US run 5-7".  So I'd give 'e' to 7-8", e+ to 8-9",
and e++ to anything bigger.  I'd also give an extra "+" for thickness.
I've only run into a few borderline e+/e++ guys, and one bona-fide
e++.  

Most of the e+ or bigger guys [that I know], as was noted earlier, aren't
completely at-ease with this, or with how others respond to it.  Some get
expected to be top-only, others are expected to forego some acts, some get
looked over like meat in the display case, etc.  They feel that nothing
else matters at times.

The codes don't deal with cut/uncut.  Shaved balls might fit under "p"
(peculiar), but they aren't particularly so.  The bear-codes were intended
for a short-hand physical description, not the sexual equivalent of the
nutritional guides on the side of a cereal box.

: If someone can't post or e-mail me a key to the meaning of these
: things, can you at least tell me where to find out?

Anonymous FTP to spdcc.com.  Get /pub/NBCS.V1.9, it explains the entire
bear-codes (the most popular/common encoding).  I haven't seen the Smurf
codes, Pig codes, etc. posted for a while.  Chances are, you'll be inun-
dated with e-mailed copies of the bear-codes.

Incidentally, the other codes were generally parodies of the bear-codes,
which themselves aren't completely serious.
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

cat core | uuencode bunny.dropping | mail jp@tygra.michigan.com
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fleas (was Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty))
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:45:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.202806.5434@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:
> 
> 
> Ya know, as I look at the Subject: line, I can see how a
> person who didn't know how it came to pass might take it
> sort of ill.

Hah!  You are obviously *not* a member of any Cabal - as
such subtle manipulations of past events into future realities
is the bread and butter of *any* secret organization.

*X*
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:24:39 GMT

In article <1icknkINN8pb@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> |> If the dog doesn't awaken this neighbour, why would a phone call?
> 
> Because it will interrupt the sexual liason between the dog and the
> neighbor, cause the man to lose his erection and have to answer the
> phone.

OH NO..
It's back!

 - dog sex thread !!!!

Woof ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen, owen@autodesk.com
[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:16:11 GMT

In article <C0EC7z.EAC@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
(Greg Parkinson) writes:

>This is funny.  While preparing for his audition
>to get into the Mannes college division, Dave has
>been worrying about the possibility of his future
>being one-half of a flute/accordion duo.

>It's a horrifying thought.

Pleated-player plight: nearly always ruins the mind.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:48:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161807.12940@osf.org>
coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.032220.18182@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> But my dear, this would not be very good perfume.  $30/oz,
>> 20 years ago, would have been only a medium-priced perfume.

>Well, on reflection, it was probably more like 30 years ago than 20,
>if that makes any difference. (And I'll bet it does; this puts it
>before Vietnam-fueled inflation.)

>> Nowadays, you can only get second-rate colognes for that.
>> Good perfume is about, lemme see, $30,000 a gallon.

>Hmm... $30,000/gallon = $6,000/fifth, or 8 times the price I quoted.
>And people *pay* this?

Heavens yes, of course.  It's a tiny fraction of the daily cost
of hearth and home.

People pay $20,000 for a car these days, hardly turning a
hair.  An ounce of good perfume should last years, or you're
putting too much on and too often.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Paris
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.104028.4589
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.023309.9208@fuug.fi> an4851@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>This is a quote from _Muscle: confessions of an unlikely
>bodybuilder_ by Samuel Fussell.  The author is talking
>about posing at bodybuilding contests.
>
>       My routine was dramatic, all right, but not too dramatic.
>       The goal is to play by the audience's accepted rules, and
>       then to shock them within the form, not venturing outside
>       it.  Michelangelo's David and the Farnese Hercules are one
>       thing, but, as professional bodybuilder Bob Paris learned,
>       The Dying Gaul is quite another.  From the Capitoline
>       Museum in Rome to Columbus, Ohio, Paris concluded his 
>       posing program with The Dying Gaul at the 1989 Arnold
>       Classic.  It was met with an uncomfortable silence and
>       angry suspicion, the latter confirmed months later when he
>       revealed his marriage to his "husband," male model Rod
>       Jackson, and the joy they shared in their "children,"
>       two dogs and a Macaw named Barney.
>
>Can anyone familiar with bodybuilding explain what was so scandalous about The Dying Gaul
>(I have no idea what it is)?  And is Bob Paris treated as an
>outcast in professional bodybuilding since coming out?

This is the same book which started out:

"You spot them on the streets of the city and, increasingly, in the
malls and parks of the suburbs. Sometimes they band together. Mostly,
they walk alone. Bodybuilders. You know the kind. They strut like no
others, holding their elbows wider than their shoulders, legs far
apart. I know, I was one of them."

Fussell, in this overwritten diatribe, loves to interject classical
allusions to highlight his obnox-onian heritage; from having
appreciated the Dying Gaul at the Capitoline Museum myself in Rome, I
must say that Paris' routine reminded me much more of the photo of
Nastassa Kinski cum Boa Constrictor in the mid-80's. The other thing
which probably made people 'unconfortable' (so uncomfortable, I note,
that they clapped like crazy), was probably that he posed to a
soundtrack by histrionic-folksinger-of-the-month club winner Tracy
Chapman instead of some sort of heavy funk or metal routine.

You can find the Dying Gaul in any book on Classical sculpture. Paris
is as outcast as he wants to be - I don't think Chris Dickerson has
had a hard time for it.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 06 Jan 93 21:36:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

Colognes for both sexes ought to come with operating
instructions. I am slightly allergic to many colognes and
perfumes, and once in a while I get caught in the shock wave
of someone who has drenched him or herself in the stuff,
causing my mucus membranes to try to commit suicide by
strangling me from the inside out.

The best colognes I've encountered were administered with
such care and subtlety that I had to hold the person closely
to my body and nuzzle that sensitive spot between the ear
and the nape to even know the cologne was there.

If, on the other hand, someone learned to synthesize the
smell of a pussycat who's just come in from the outdoors,
I'd gladly drown myself in it.


-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:01:43 GMT

In article <C0E1Ax.DDM@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> Eternity.  I *hate* Eternity.  It's not that
|> it smells bad, it's that it lasts *forever* 
|> and doesn't fade.  
...
|> We have some - a gift - that we use for bathroom
|> spray.  One spritz and two people's reactions
|> to cuban black beans is nicely neutralized.  But
|> other than covering obnoxious flatulence, I can't
|> think of a good reason for its existance.

If you'd rather have another solution to the problem, note that burning
a candle, even an unscented one, for a brief period of time will quickly
de-scent a bathroom.

I learned this, of all places, from _Mayflower Manners_ (a fab
ettiquette guide by Sydney Biddle Barrows, the Mayflower Madam).

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:48:01 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan5.152255.5982@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>Interesting.  I wrote fourteen letters in total and have received not
>one acknowledgement from any office including the Governor, Lt. Gov.,
>Sec. of State, various tourism boards, chambers of commerce and so on.
>I guess "aliens" don't warrant a reply.

I, too, wrote about 14 letters.  I got a phone call from Coors pretty
much right away.

I got ONE letter so far, from the Colorado Tourism Board.  It
arrived in the mail yesterday.

Let's hope that they're all way behind because they're inundated with
letters.

Peggy.


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Another Epithet Discovered (was Re: Do hard times cause hate?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 02:55:15 GMT


In article <C0I0uE.JEn@cscns.com> cherokee@cscns.com
(Agv'nige Wohali) writes:

>Just a couple of weeks ago, I was driving down Woodmen Road
>in Colorado Springs, minding my own business, when two
>scummy-looking men in a gigantic pickup truck rolled down
>their window and hollered, "Hey, ya fuckin' digger!  Go back
>to the reservation!" They laughed and drove off like the
>maniacs they were.

>To those of you unfamiliar with this term, "digger" is a
>derisive word for Native American, dating back from the
>1800's when Shoshoni tribes living around here used sticks
>to dig up tubers for food.  The connotation is very
>negative.

Just when you think you've heard it all, along comes a story
like this to disabuse you of the notion.  I've lived my
whole life in this region, 21 years in Illinois and coming
on 37 in Wisconsin.  Both states, of course, had major
populations of indigenous people before the European
invasions of the 19th century, and both states provide
plenty of current examples of prejudice against Native
Americans.  But despite the ubiquity of digging sticks among
hunter-gatherer societies the world over, this is the first
time I've heard of "digger" as an epithet.  A sad thing to
learn, but now I know.

<> Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they
<> do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those
<> I do understand. -- Mark Twain
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 22:44:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jack Carroll writes:

>[Recipies for making one's on cologne]

This is certainly a good idea, if one wants to wear a scent;
you know exactly what's in it, and you can make yourself
something totally unique.

While I'm thinking of this, I did mention in another message
that I bought my mother 0.25oz of Lily of the Valley essence
as part of her Xmas gift.  Where I got it is a relatively
new chain of stores here on the west coast called _Garden
Botanika_. 

Briefly, they state that all of their products contain no
petrochemicals, no comedogenics, no common allergens, no
animal ingredients (nor do they test on animals), and no
environmentally harmful materials.  They strive to reduce
packaging as well.

But back to the essences; they have a line of basic unscented
products -- shampoo, conditioner, bath gel, a couple of 
different moisturizers, &c. -- that you can have custom scented
from their array (we're talking 30 or 40 different essences
at least) of essential oils.

If I sound uncharacteristically enthusiastic about a subject I
normally am not, it's both because I found the shop and the
personnel to be excellent, and the fact that my mother has been
enjoying her gift immensely.

Garden Botanika is currently only in major malls in Washington
(where they are headquartered), Oregon and California. If you're
curious, their phone number is (206) 881-9603. Oh, and they also
do mail order -- (800) 877-9603.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:36:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.220110.10829@cs.brown.edu> atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell) writes:

>I too sent out over a dozen letters. The only reply I havc received to date has
>been a form letter from Focus on the Family thanking me for my support and
>asking me for money.
>	I'm sure you can imagine my outrage at having those 'people' completely
>misconstrue my letter. In reply, I wrote the following text (italics have been
>lost; character \222 represents a publishers' close-apostrophe, which I some-
>how managed to miss in my ASCII-isation).
>
>--Dave O'Donnell
>  atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu
>

Hear, Hear!!  Very well written.  I hope it gets the point across.
I bet they still send you something looking for more money though!

Jim

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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:43:03 GMT

In article <TIM.93Jan6062654@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>In article <thaaang.726307762@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>
>   tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>
>   >Also, did they have Kryspy Kreme donuts in Atlanta?
>
>   Who else shuddered when they read this?
>
>Shuddered?  With delight.  Krispy Kremes (I misspelled it the first
>time) are, with The Krystal, among the South's great contributions 
>to American consumer culture (should all those ``c's'' be ``k's''?),
>food division, in the first half of the twentieth century. 
>--
>Tim Wilson
>tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
>mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim

I must wholeheartedly agree.  Nearly the first thing I do when I go
home to Meridian, Mississippi is get in my car and fly across town to
the Krystal and order about six.  Not too long after, I again jump in
my car and race to Tuscaloosa to the nearest Krispy Kreme and get
three or four dozen.  I'm making my mouth water just writing about it.

--scoT


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   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: grant@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Grant R. Guenther)
Subject: Teen wants e-mail pen pals
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:25:48 GMT

A young friend has asked me to post a request for e-mail pen pals.
If any of the younger crowd here are interested in corresponding with
a 16 year old who is just coming out they should write to

	rene@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca

I'm sure he'd appreciate your interest.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grant R. Guenther    Math & Comp. Sci., Laurentian U., Sudbury, Canada
grant@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca                        We are everywhere
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Unvarying standards of male unattractiveness
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:35:21 GMT

In article <18292@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>Or somehow to persuade a jury to dress up as an array of Disney
>characters, and pronounce Caspar Weinberger as...guilty!

There's a truly wonderful short short story by (damn, I can't remember now,
can anyone help me?) about someone selling counterfeit Disney memorabilia
being captured by two people dressed as Disney characters.  They proceed to
kill him by stuffing bonbons down his throat until he suffocates.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

At breakfast it was learned that Elsie had expired during the night, and
gloom descended on everybody.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Identifying soc.motssers at the MOW
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:35:59 GMT

jfile@bmers3.bnr.ca (Jonathan File) writes:

 >Too bad we don't have a soc.motss pin or something to identify soc.motssers.
 >Myself, never having been to a motss con, wouldn't know a motsser if I 
 >tripped over one.  Anyone have any ideas?

There have been soc.motss tee shirts; some of us will wear those (and
let others find us).

I suggest, as a measure that can be adopted easily, a package of
largish stick-on labels and a felt-tipped pen.  This worked quite
nicely during NYC Pride last June.  I like labels that include
email addresses, because I recognize a bunch of people by their
sites.  (Which is not to say that I need to check out their
equipment.)  

Of course, if someone felt like printing up some name tags of a
distinctive sort, I wouldn't object.



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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