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From: uswsp@mathcs.emory.edu (William S. Pittard {EUCC})
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: help w/recording jazz guitar on Tascam
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:27:00 -0500
Organization: Emory University
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Keywords: recording, jazz, tascam


Kindly Allow me to solicit your input....

I need some help from some of u home recording wizards. I've got a Tascam
644, a Midiverb 3 and boss compresser. I'm trying to record a single
guitar - an amplified Telecaster so I'm using a mic instead of running
direct. I'm going for a jazzy sound here so I've used the compressor to
take out some of the treble. I'm leaving the the EQs flat during recording
and I've been recording with minimal effect - almost dry. I've been adding
the effect during mixdown. The big problem is that I seem to wind up with a
miz that is too "tinny" or trebly sounding or with something that rattles
the speakers on the playback deck with too many lows. I'm mixing with the
belief that people will be listening to this tape on small, portable
cassette players so I'm playing things back on one of these. The effect
seems to bring out more of the bass effect so I cut the lows with the eq
during mixdown. I'm somewhat new to home recording so I'm not totally
comfortable with the EQ section of the mixer but I do realize that it is
frequently a matter of personal taste, etc. So, here are my (admittedly
general) questions.

1) What are ure suggestions on recording a single jazz guitar ? I'm doing
this in my apartment so I don't have a lot of different rooms available.
Besides , I can use the midiverb to add effect.

2) What are your feelings on recording the guiatr with effect ? Is it 
"better" to wait till mixdown to add the effect ?

3) What about the EQ ? I've been told that its better to get a good raw
sound when recording and use the EQ just for mixdown. I guess I'm having a
problem seeing the pros and cons. 

Since these questions are somewhat general perhaps it would be best if you
responded to me directly and then I'll summmarize to the news group but
I'll check the group anyway.  Thanks,


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Alternate tunings, what's the point?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:28:36 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

Heh. It's interesting to think about the tuning possibilites. Basically
the question you have to ask yourself is "What tuning will best help me
do the music I want to do?" I myself am mostly involved in classiscal
guitar, so I usually use the standard guitar tuning, but for renaissance
lute music, I *always* drop the 3rd string to F#, since that is the tuning
that was used on that instrument - makes playing the music much simpler.
On the other hand, if I want to do bottleneck guitar, I'll tune the 
steel string to open E or A (or G or D). I still use the standard tuning
mostly.

It's interesting to compare the recent blossoming of interest in "non-
standard" tunings with the situation that happened at the beginning of
the 17th century in Europe. Up until that time, lute players had been 
mostly using a "standard" tuning (G-C-F-A-D-G, the equivalent of the
standard guitar tuning with the 3rd string tuned to F# and then moved
up a minor 3rd). Then starting around 1600 in France, a lot of new 
tunings started showing up (or rather, a lot of manuscripts from that
time started calling for and talking about different tunings). By about
1630 one of these, which was based on an open chord (D-F-A-D-F-A), had
nearly eliminated all the other tunings, even the old standard tuning, 
and that tuning dominated lute music for the following 100 years more
or less, up until the dying out of interest in the lute in the middle
of the 18th century. In addition, a totally new style of music was played
in this new "open" tuning, and to a certain extent the tuning itself 
influenced the kind of music that lute players composed for the instrument,
since the idiomatic characteristics of the instrument were different,
and this in turn influenced other musicians.
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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
From: bhadley@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Some Beginner Ques.
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:31:04 PST

 Hello I would like to pose a few questions to those with more experience
than myself. I'm just beginning guitar and bought a Takamine g124s model
classical acoustic. Does anybody have experiance with this instrument or
Takamine products in general? I was wondering if this is considered a 
reasonably good instrument. 
 Being a beginner, I was wondering what introductory methods are best to
start with. I have heard some say to start by playing some chords and others
say its ok to start with solo material. Is there any consensus on this?
 I have started with Arron Schearers calssic guitar method and its seems to
be well written and thought out. It doesnt teach chords and I'm wondering
if I should supplement his method with some chord studies since I would like
to be able eventually to play solo and the various chord progressions.
 Can someone comment on Schearers lessons? I have noticed something about
left hand position in the various methods in that it varys drastically as
to what is correct. Schearer says your thumb should never stick up over the
neck, while most chord instruction books all depict the thumb over the top
and the neck cradled in the hand. This is also what I observe when I see
most guitarists playing chords. Whats the deal?
 Another question, none of the instruction books give you an idea as to how
rapidly you should progress and what to expect to be able to do in a given 
amount of practice. I know that everybody varies according to many factors
but it would be nice to get a rough idea as to what to expect for the future.
Say if I practice regulary (1-2 hrs a day), what type of material and how well
will I be able to play in say a year? Two years, three etc... Dont get me wrong
I'm not the impatient type, I know that to play well will take a good deal of
effort but I would like to have some hope for the future and keep tab of my
progress.
                All replies will be appreciated, 

                    B. Hadley    
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Subject: GR-50 Vs GR1
Reply-To: stud9j25@bcars243.UUCP (Steven Kostur)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:11:46 GMT


I've been looking into getting a Gr1. However, a guy I know is selling his
GR-50, Sequencer (CakeWalk), Midi Adapter and pickup for the third of the price of the GR1.

I want to know  if the GR-50's tracking is as good as the GR1. I read
the review on the GR1 in this group (well written by the way...). How do the sounds compare with the two Synth?

Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 08:59:50 -0500 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What is MIDI?
	<rfries.157@sceng.ub.com>

>>The term MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface, meaning,
>>of course, that it's a digital interface for a musical instrument --
>>usually electronic keyboards, but guitars also. It involves a set of
>>computer hardware and software that allows you to apply the digital
>>processing power of a computer to an instrument. You pull the sound from
>>the instrument into the computer, change it digitally, and feed it back
>>through the amplification system. With keyboards, MIDI systems use the
>>digital information that makes up the "sound" as a sort of raw material
>>that can be shaped, theoretically, into virtually any sound (though
>>that's probably overstating it a bit). I assume the same is true for an
>>electric guitar with a MIDI hookup, though I've never used one.
> 
>Right, you shouldn't try answering this, Bill :-) :-)

I knew I'd feel some heat...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jhalvers@plains (Jon Halverson)
Subject: stuff for sale
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:51:24 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


I've got some stuff I'd be interrested in selling or trading.


 ADA effects processor w/ Chorus, Flange, and Delay. Works great but has
no foot pedal. Looks a bit beat too, but no problems w/ functions.


 Peavey Triumph 60, 3 channel tube amp. Older model w/o master volume and
gold trim. Has 12 in. EV spkr. in it.


 Older Morley Power Wha. Silver case. reg. 120V power cord. Great cond.


 Ampeg SS 150 head. Great clean sound. Very high gain lead channel.


 Make me an offer on any of this stuff. As for trade, I'm looking for an
older Fender amp, an old Fender student model guitar (ie. Duo Sonic...), a
Boss Chorus pedal, Or anything else you may be able to tempt me with.

Capo Salut

jh
From: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Dreams of a Gothic Life
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:58:49 PST
Reply-To: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

As some one who has been involved in a Gothic "scene" for over ten years, 
I'de like to respond to some of the definitions which have been given on 
what "Gothic" is..

(And I don't think it started with Bauhaus...)

I can only really speak for the evolution in LA, though I know similar 
evolutions allso happened in London, New York,Sidney, and other big 
cities.
Most of the early "Goths" were people who were into a certain type of 
literature,media, etc, that would be considered "dark". I myself grew up 
with The Addams Family, Barbara Steele movies, Hammer horror,The 
Avengers,and alot of kids shows with magic,witches, etc. I read Sybil 
Leek at eight years old and was instructed to study the Kabala at 11.My 
mother and I used to watch horror movies together. All the shiny 
latex/leather outfits in the Avengers and Batman also affected me, I 
think.I was into punk music at first, then got into something called"New 
Romantic", where people dressed in outrageous costumes and men wore 
make-up. The first "Gothic" looking people I ever saw were at a new 
Romantic club called "The Veil".It was a very short jump from New 
Romantic to Gothic.
I was into magic,horror,vampyres,literature, and the look now associated 
with "Gothic" before I was into any of the music. I liked the music 
because it expressed how I felt, and the first band that really captured 
that really depressed feeling was Joy Division(for me). No one knew what 
they looked like over here really, either, so people didn't have a 
defined look.
Anyway, my point is, this is a lifestyle, not a fashion,and not a music 
genre, and you don't have to be young,or go to clubs to be into it. Some 
of the most interesting "Goths" I know are in their sixties.This was 
getting too long, so I hurried to the point I was trying to make, hope it 
all made some sort of sense..It's very early in the day for me....

              I have in blood step'd in so far.......

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: carlj@mugwump (Carl)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Cult remix
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@cyclone.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom
NNTP-Posting-Host: mugwump.muppet.bt.co.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

dawson@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
: Listening to the radio this morning i heard the "dance" mix of "She Sells 
: Sanctuary". Way too fast with the obligatory tinny drum beat in the background!

Yep, its gross, I think its full title is the Big Radio Dog Star mix.

: I hope Astbury didn't have anything to do with this otherwise I'll know he's
: gone past the point of no return!

He probably did, wasnt there a release of it a few years back called the 
Howling Mix, I hated that as well :(

Carl
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu (Derek Tiffany)
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Reply-To: tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:33:35 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.150939.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
>them?
>
>	 Athinen

TMC consists of various 4AD (killer record company) that get together to do
an album every once in a while.  Pretty cool stuff, they have three full
length albums that are only available in the U.S. as imports from the U.K.
although I had heard that Warner Brothers might be releasing them soon...

Anyway, I like them, they do alot of Big Star covers...

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Derek Tiffany          | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | URICH, cuz you gotta be
University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu    |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: Re: Question
Summary: the real color of Andy's eyes 
Organization: Radford University
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:07:34 GMT

   Eldritch's eyes are, in fact, an icy blue color.  I've met him when he
was not wearing his shades.  He's also quite short (I'd say about 5'5")...

	Adam

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:55:38 -0500 
From: Daniel Patrick Schanbacher <ds7o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gyuto Monks (it were "Re: Buried Dreams" once, tho')
	<1993Jan01.082250.102287@zeus.calpoly.edu>
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.alt.gothic: 1-Jan-93 Gyuto Monks (it were "Re: B..
the Dragon@zeus.calpoly. (1017)

> What I have here is called "The Gyuto Monks:  Tibetan Tantric Choir" which
> is on Windham Hill Records (WD-2001).  The first track is pretty cool; the
> second would be pretty distracting if you're trying to concentrate, though.
> Each track is about 25 minutes long.

i have the same thing, but i find both tracks hardly distracting at all
and in fact
study to the entire thing all the time. 

what other gothic music is good for to study to?

			--- Dan "an outlex between the lines
of Ragonar Blaubarb ant Horrild Hairwire" Shem
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:24:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.150939.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
>them?

Hmmm.  Well, they're very, very good.  They're not really a band... more of a
"project" comprised of members of a bunch of 4AD bands (Cocteaux, Dead Can
Dance, Dif Juz, etc.) plus friends (singers from Cindytalk and Breathless) and
a bunch of other people, all "co-ordinated" by Ivo, the guy who runs 4AD.
 
They've released 3 albums, the first two of which (IT'LL END IN TEARS and
FILIGREE & SHADOW) are essential.  (F&S was a double album, so it's a nice,
long CD.)  The third release, BLOOD, isn't nearly as good, but it has some
moments.  I'd say start with F&S.  And I notice that you're posting from
London, Ontario, so you shouldn't have too much trouble finding TMC material,
since it's all been domestically released in Canada.

Greg
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:44:44 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan7.150939.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>,
6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>What can you tell me about THIS MORTAL COIL Because I know nothing about
>them?

This Mortal Coil is a highly recommended band on 4AD.  They are
considered 4AD's "house band" (but don't let the label hear you say
that) becaruse virtually all of the members of TMC are also members
of other 4AD bands; Ivo is also involved in TMC.

Their sound is that which is considered "typical 4AD-ish", meaning
it is dark, atmospheric and sometimes ethereal, but always powerful.

(If I remember correctly) they have two full length albums out, plus
a cut on Lonely is an Eyesore.

--Gina
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: Re: Buried Dreams
Summary: The Cure, "goth," depressing music, Strange Boutique 
Keywords: Cure, goth, depression, Strange Boutique
Organization: Radford University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:03:03 GMT

   Let's see, where to begin...

  I also don't agree that The Cure doesn't play anything off Pornography. 
I saw them this past summer and they played The Figurehead and A Strange
Day.  I was floored, because I'd also read that Smith refused to play any
of the Pornography stuff.  Needless to say, my head fell back and the
walls crashed down.  :)

  As for the "gothic movement,"  it seems to me there are now different
kinds of "goths."  Gothic strikes me kind of like a drop of paint that
fell on a canvas, then was smeared in different directions.  You meet
goths that go for the vampire look, those that go for the Sisters look,
those that dress in Victorian clothing, those that look like
who-knows-what... I know in England there are goths that wear all purple. 
As far as depression and melancholy, I don't think those are
requirements... I think it's possible to be fairly happy in the darkness
and not want to off yourself.  I've been through that part, I don't care
to return to it.  But I also enjoy the dark things, the candles and
Romantic things.

   If, however, you are seeking something "depressing," I recommend Dead
Can Dance's "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun" or perhaps the Legendary
Pink Dots "Any Day Now" or perhaps the Tear Garden's "Tired Eyes, Slowly
Burning" (CD version contains the Centre Bullet EP as well).

   On a different note, I saw some discussion of Strange Boutique a while
back.  I got to see them for the first time in a long time (about a year!)
this holidays and I must say we are in for a treat when the new CD comes
out in February...

	Adam
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk 
Subject: Rainbirds
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Info, releases
Organization: Aston University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:10:00 GMT



Does anyone know anything about this group (O.K. so it isn't VERY "goth", 
but it's O.K. to like other stuff too!)


I have an album of theirs (I think it's just called "Rainbirds") and I know 
they are a German group......but there the info kinna stops!


If anyone knows ANYTHING / where I might find something out....

		I'd love to hear from you (post here, or preferably email)!



			Thanks,
					Tamsyn
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: stam@dgp.toronto.edu (Jos Stam)
Subject: Re: Favorite Goth Bars in Your City
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:20:37 GMT

v108jqur@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTHONY PAUL AVERY) writes:

>Hey fellow goths I think it would be fun if everyone wrote and told
>us their favorite goth club in their city.  Please include the city, of
>course, the cost, and the male-female, hetero, bi, or homosexuality
>ratio of the club.

Ok here is mine. Its in Toronto and on Queen West of course. The name is
Sanctuary Vampire Sex Lounge (pretty gothic no?). Cost is $2 CDN to get in
and a draft of Labatts Blue will cost you $2.75 CDN. The place is only open
on Friday and Saturday. Don't know about ratios really, guess its 50/50
male/female, doesn't seem there are a lot of homosexuals but who really cares...

They have a strict dress-code (black is required of course) cauz they don't
want anyone from the top 40 club across the street to wonder in or something
like that.

cheers,
Jos (not a fellow goth at all actually)
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Gyuto Monks (it were 'Re: Buried Dreams' once, tho')
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:58:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <8fHxNua00VpbEMhW9s@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Daniel Patrick Schanbacher <ds7o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>what other gothic music is good for to study to?

Try Current 93's Live at Bar Maldoror.  Eerie, but subtle enough not
to be distracting whilst you study.

-Gina
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: This Mortal Coil
Summary: Description of This Mortal Coil
Organization: Radford University
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:11:57 GMT
Organism: homo sapien sapien

   There's a fairly decent article/interview about This Mortal Coil in the
most recent issue of Propoganda.  I agree that Propoganda is a laugh of a
magazine... pretentiousness at its height and really cruddy journalism...
but every once in a while they have something of interest.

   This Mortal Coil is the pet project of the head of 4AD records.  The
songs on their albums are composed by people from different groups like
Dead Can Dance, Colourbox, Wolfgang Press, Cocteau Twins, etc.   I
recommend Filigree & Shadow or It'll End in Tears... the albums are
imports, so be prepared for the import price (if you're in the States). 
I've heard TMC referred to as New Age and Gothic and so many other names I
can't even list them all.  I just like it.  You might too.

	Adam
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: this mortal coil, what do you know
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:00:23 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan10.203629.291@gossip.urich.edu>,
tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu (Derek Tiffany) writes:
>
>TMC consists of various 4AD [stuff deleted]
>Anyway, I like them, they do alot of Big Star covers...

But their Rema Rema cover is so great!!

--Gina
Xref: sparky alt.gothic:2560 rec.music.industrial:14912
From: wake@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (face iz white! eyes iz tired!)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,rec.music.industrial
Subject: alien sex fiend discography info request
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:41:54 GMT
Organization: the nightmare zone
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


im starting to get a bit more serious about a pet project of mine,
 compiling a fiend discography, and id like any info anyone might
 have about any *official* fiend releases they have or have seen.

im specifically looking for track listings, catalogue numbers,
 record label, format, and other things such as coloured vinyl or
 picture discs.

if you have *any* fiend material, and have the time to type in any
 of this info and email it to me, please do... id be quite grateful!

thanks in advance!

-joel

-- 
 joel metz						   wake@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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