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From: neuharth@shelley.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth)
Subject: Re: SCC Tour Info?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:42:13 GMT

In article <22NOV199223143024@zeus.tamu.edu> rwb7054@zeus.tamu.edu (BARRETT, ROBERT W, JR) writes:
>Does anyone out there have any information on the latest Stephen Curtis
>Chapman tour??
>
>I know he was in Houston in September, but I was wondering if there are
>any dates this late in the year?
>
>Thanks!!
>
>  		God Bless,
>		Bobby 


I hate to tell you this, but I went to the final show of the Steven Curtis
Chapman tour in Tacoma, WA last night.  He's all done touring for now.  He will
be touring with the Young Messiah tour, however, for the rest of the year if
you can go to that...

The show was great, and opening were Susan Ashton and Out of the Grey.  It was
definitely one of the best Christain shows I've been to, Phil Keaggy being my
favorite...

Hope that helped!

-John

P.S. Anyone else catch SCC's show?  What did you think?
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM Urban Legend?  "A mighty Fortress" evolved a from drinking song
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:40:25 GMT
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I have heard in many places that "A Mighty Fortress" and other great hymns
were set to the tunes of popular drinking songs of their day.  The idea
is very appealing to all of us who are into Christian rock and want to 
justify it to those who would say it's "of the Devil" or whatever.

Have any of you seen any evidence that this notion is more than a
"CCM urban legend"?  Have you ever seen the name of the particular
drinking song that some great hymn (in particular, "A Mighty Fortress") was  
taken from?  Or is it just the generic "Many of the great hymnwriters took
their tunes from bawdy bar songs" that we have heard so many times that we
begin to accept it as truth?   

I used to believe the famous Jimi Hendrix quote about Phil Keaggy;  I had  
heard it from so many places.  It seems clear now that this is a "CCM urban  
legend".   Could the origin of the tune of "A Mighty Fortress" be one also? 
I have no evidence that the story is false, but i also have no evidence that  
it is true  


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Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming"
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:53:49 GMT
 <1992Nov23.181729.20408@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1992Nov23.185621.29169@sei.cmu.edu> <1992Nov23.201336.25961@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

>It's a little late for that, n'est ce pas?  Either back up what you say
>(in which case maybe we could have a rational discussion) or apologize
>for slandering a brother in Christ.  But do one or the other.  

Andy, please correct me if I'm wrong, but surely there's no reason to
conclude from Dylan's behaviour in recent years that he continues to
consider himself a Christian, is there?  That he was sincere when he made
the album I do not doubt.  I equally do not doubt that he is still sincere
--- and he sincerely appears to be a non-Christian now!

jj

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From: The Arctic Wolfe <rta1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Split ?????
X-Xxdate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 07: 27:46 GMT
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:24:41 GMT

Hey guys -
   I'm looking for info on a German punk band named Split ?Something-or-other?
 Their style is very similar to Forever Mercy era Altar Boys, although their
sound is quite unique.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

===========================================================================
"Unaware that the struggle is the blood of the proof / In choosing to believe
the unbelievable truth" - Mark Heard

          R. Todd Albee
          The Arctic Wolfe
          rta1@cornell.edu

"To the sea I'll crawl on my knees ... At the sea I'll wait on my knees." -
Adam Again
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:25:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <fav1_lf@rpi.edu> burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>Acts 17:22..23
>	Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said...
>"for as I walked around and -looked carefully- at you objects of
>worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: "to an unknown
>god."  Now what you worship as something unknow I am going to proclaim
>to you.
>
>This guy was actualy checking out their altars!!!  I even fault jason
>for saying "know your enemy".  I would phrase it "know your fellow
>human being"  That person with an Ayn Rand (sp?) book is not your
>enemy, but a fellow sinner.  Love them!

Wonderful!!

It's so easy (for me) to get caught up in trying to prove myself, prove
that I'm right, convince the other person, etc. and forget that what I'm
_commanded_ to do is love them.  _That_ is the foundation we're to operate
from ... and the scripture you quoted is so appropriate.  Paul took what
little faith they already had and built on that.  When we use that
approach, people are far more likely to be receptive to what we're really
trying to share -- God's incredible love for them, exemplified by the life
and death of Christ.



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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely)
Subject: Re: God *is* a Republican (was: Hymns)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:53:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <m0ms1x0-0000oRC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>, rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
|> > Per the neverending thread on Clinton et all:
|> > >>The point is the Bible was mocked so Republican Christians
|> > >>could be mocked.
|> > No, not even close, the point is dissension.
|> >
|> > Folks I was actually in a church that said:  God is a republican,
|> > that scared me bad, still really bothers me.
|>   {stuff deleted}
|>
|> 
|> Great points!
|> 
|> Like you, the church where attend pushed "Bush" as the only possible candidate
|> that any "real" Christian should be voting for.  Not only that they emphasized
|> that voting any other way would be sin.  Even the local televangelists were
|> toting that to NOT vote for Bush would be sin.
|> 
|> This is spiritual coersion and sinful as far as *I'm* concerned.  Well, since
|> I voted for Clinton I guess God's blotted my name out of the Book of Life?
|> Right?  I guess all the faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour will not
|> save me anymore.  I guess I've finally found out what the "Blasphemy of the
|> Holy Spirit" sin really is. Right?  Or did I miss the scriptures where such a
|> passage proclaiming Bush as the Holy one of God can be found. Is that in the
|> famous Book of Hezekiah?
|> 
|> I respect my pastor as a good man of God, but I do not put my faith in his
|> every word... {rest deleted}

I agree that God is not either Republican or Democrat.  But, as Christians, we must
back up our faith with action.  I see nothing wrong with pastors informing their
congregation about candidates and their positions.

I was sorry to hear that this poster voted for Clinton.  Clinton was backup up by the
pro-abortion, homosexual, pornography, and anti-religious, lobbies.  Regardless of
your opinion of Bush, how can any true Christian support a candidate whose views
are opposite of what he or she believes?

God is not Republican, but the party as a whole is MUCH more in line with Christian
beliefs and issues, than the Democrats.  Of course, should this change, I'd be the 1st to
abandon them!

Before casting your next ballot, ask yourself: "Does this candidate's positions support my
beliefs and values?"  Let me tell you, Clinton definately did NOT support mine, so I
did NOT vote for him!!

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From: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when one of your own
Keywords: makes Metallica look good?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:54:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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>
>It's great isn't it.  You can be a christian AND live a full life.
>If you try.  Stephen

By 'full' do you mean an unsanctified, "do what I want to do" life or
do you mean sanctified and obedient?  I attempt to live the latter
and find my life quite "full". 

Respectfully,
mc
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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: cornerston reminicing
Keywords: c stone
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:22:12 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <rhine.722068293@cwis> rhine@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dan J. Richters) writes:
> 
>	networkland hello.
>
>i went to c stone 92 and due to my strange concept of time, it seems like
>only yesterday. ide like to hear some other's expperiences there, even
>though i wont provide a shining example right now.
>
>impressions i have of cston 92:
>
>	phenomenal music
>	spectacular light shows (provided by God Himself)
>	lovely mud
>	wonderfully warm rain
>	lovely  mud
>	mud squshing between my toes
>	all the seminars i didnt go to but would like to hear about
>	phenomenal music right up to the ever amazing and annointed 
>	violet burning
>	phenomenal music
>	mud
>	tents
>	mud in tents
>	tents collapsing in mud
>	phenomenal music
>	ect.
>
>
>
>--
>?

You forgot the flooded main stage, the lightning and all of those Hot Pink
Turtle flyers! :-)

Phil

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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Agree to disagree?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:07:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.165816.16032@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>My key
>point, that remains unanswered, is that the entire history
>of biblical music, near as I can tell consists of stealing the
>popular music of the day and making it Godly.
>	David did it,
>	The early church did it,
>	The 18/19th century church did it,
>	And we are still doing it

"Stealing the popular music of the day" can refer to either emulation
or outright plagiarism.  I assume you mean the former, although the
latter has been done on notable occasions (particularly with my
favorite hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God").

While I do not expect (or want) Christians to constrain themselves to
making music that has nothing in common with existing cultural forms, I
do expect some originality.  I believe we should strive to produce the
*best* metal, the *best* jazz, and the *best* rock & roll that we are
able, especially in the context of groups that are not explicitly
Christian (although they may be made up entirely of Christians).  We
lament the lack of Christian values in modern entertainment, without
recognizing that it is due to our general lack of involvement in these
areas at large.


>Roman 14:1 NIV
>Accept him whose faith is weak without passing judgement on disputable
>matters.

Romans 14 and its environs has got to be my favorite passage.


>Please understand that christian music and nightclubs are disputable
>matters.  You have an opinion, so does every other reader.  Can we not
>leave it at that? 

The trouble is, we are all too ready to dispute over what matters are
disputable.  :-)  Some folks are so convinced that their own stumbling
blocks are shared by all Christians, or so unwilling to accept that the
problem may be with *them* and not the stumbling block itself, that
they will attempt to "weaken" the faith of others so that they too must
refrain from things they once did in perfect faith.
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
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From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Beaker)
Subject: I Still Believe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:07 GMT

I think that the best rendition of "I Still Believe" was done by the
completely acapella group Bogus Toast.
They are a very economical band opting to not actually buy
their instruments. The guitarist plays a tennis racket, the bassist 
a broom, the drummer's premium choice for sticks is a pair of toilet
bowl cleaners. "They have a much better sound" he says. 

Anyway. I first heard "I Still Believe" when they performed it for
an outreach on the Quad of our campus. It was a really powerful song.
I then borrowed the recordings of both Russ Taff and The Call. I was
extremely disappointed. I thought the version done by Bogus Toast was
10 times as good.

My $0.02.

The Beak
beaker@uiuc.edu
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Subject: Re: CCM Urban Legend?  "A mighty Fortress" evolved a from drinking song
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:49:25 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <Bxz9pt.6MJ@icon.rose.hp.com>, bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish) writes:
> Don't know about "A mighty Fortress"... but I found this one interesting...
> 
> "Onward Christian Soldiers" was written by Sir Arthur Sullivan...
> of Gilbert and Sullivan.  Apparently he wrote a very LARGE number
> of hymns.  If you play it just right, it sounds sort of like
> the Pirates of Penzance...   :-)
> 
> Bill Parrish

"A Mighty Fortress" was set to the tune of a popluar song of the day.  Martin
Luther did this so people who didn't know how to read music would be able to
sing hymns they knew the melodies to.  

The early Salvation Army also took popular tunes and set Biblical lyrics to
them.  I'm sorry, but I don't have my references to give specific examples.

By the way, "The Star-Spangled Banner" _was_ set to a tavern melody.  I'm
sure no one has ever refused to listen to it because of where the tune came 
from.


Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: BRIDE and WHITECROSS concerts
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:27:40 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I heard that BRIDE will be in concert in Louisville, Kentucky soon, 
does anyone know exactly when?  Also WHITECROSS will be playing at
King's Place (Columbus, Ohio), in December.. What date?

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mentioning "God" on the radio
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.193344.24368@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Van was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, rejected that for hedonism,
>rejected that for eastern mysticism, rejected that for Scientology,
>and rejected that for Christianity.  His philosophical journey, as
>recounted in his music, is a fascinating one.  His last three albums - 
>"Avalon Sunset," "Enlightenment," and "Hymns to the Silence," are pretty 
>obviously Christian in their lyrical content, and contain traditional 
>hymns and lots of songs that specifically mention God and Jesus.  It's 
>wonderful music.  

What would you recommend to someone who has never owned anything by
Morrison and would like to?  I'm one of the few people who weren't that
nuts about "Moondance," though it's been years since I've heard it.  Is
there anything more recent -- say, one of the three albums you mention --
that you would suggest?  



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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Subject: <None>
From: cllangley@ualr.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:05:04 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Christmas gift suggestions?

I need some help in locating the perfect Christmas gift for my boyfriend.  We 
have been dating 16 months and I want to get him something special.  I 
cannot afford to spend more than $75.  I know there is always the usual--
watch, cologne, sweater--but I want something more than that.  Also if you 
have any other good gift ideas please pass them on.  I am pretty sure that I
am not the only one who has problems with buying gifts.

I appreciate your suggestions!

Love in Christ,
Cindy L. Langley
Box 696, 3101 S. Taylor
Little Rock, AR  72204
(501) 570-5267
IN%"CLLANGLEY@UALR.EDU"
From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: PRAYER REQUEST!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:39:03 GMT
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In article <1e4pauINN7ka@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:

|> 
|> 	One item that would really help is if you told us what HORRIBLE music
|> they're using instead of G&P. I was also raised Catholic, but find much of
|> "Catholic" music boring. Songs like "Be Not Afraid" and "Here I Am, Lord" are
|> nice songs, but I like to get excited about God when I sing and play guitar.
|> There's nothing sacred about using one collection over another. If you had a
|> complaint against the music they are currently playing, I could probably have
|> an opinion. If I could convince the leader of the folk group I'm in to use
|> only _Holy is the Lord_ as a songbook, I'd consider it good. My main point is
|> this: traditional Catholic praise songs are great, but that doesn't mean that
|> anything else is crap. Be open to the Spirit moving. That's all.


To Steve and anyone else who is confused:

I was in no way saying that the music that we presently use is "crap".  As
a matter of fact, I never said that in my original article.  What I was 
trying to say is that I wanted to incorporate SOME G&P music ALONG WITH
the stuff we presently use.  I love songs like "Jesus We Celebrate Your Victory"
and "Shine, Jesus, Shine".  I just wanted them to be more **open minded**
about the songs we are going to use.  Besides...there are many non-traditional
Catholic praise songs in G&P (at least as far as my church at home goes).  I
don't want to start singing hymns or anything...just a little more variety to
make the Catholics who come to the meetings feel more 'comfortable'.  I know
quite a few who came once and never showed up again because things seemed
so "foreign" to them, especially any freshmen who are coming for the first
time.  That is all I was saying.  I hope that this cleared that up a little.
Thank you for your concern...it is deeply appreciated.

In our Savior,

John
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: need some advice/help/whatever you want to call it..
Keywords: please..thank you...
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:59:54 GMT

esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:

>I know I need to listen to music that is geared toward God and all,
>but I need to know what you guys/gals out there think about 
>secular msuic?? I know I wouldn't listen to Metallica and all those
>metal groups(secular), and a lot of hard rock, but about secular music
>in detail??  

My views on secular music are well-known in this newsgroup, so I won't go
into detail.  However, I think your question really makes irrelevant a lot
of the debate.  Your first sentence says it all - you feel the need to 
listen to music that is geared toward God.  Since secular music is geared
to please and appeal to the world, it isn't "geared toward God".  Therefore,
I wouldn't recommend listening to secular music at all.  There is plenty of
quality Christian music out there (I'll take Wenzel from WhiteCross over 
any secular metal guitarist any day, and I'll take Keaggy over any
guitarist, period).
>I have a bunch of secular CDs I am thinking about maybe trying to sell, but
>I have been praying about this and all but feel I need somemore help here
>before truly knowing what to do.......

Well, all I can tell you what I did.  Like I said, it's pretty obvious that
you've already decided secular music isn't for you, so don't torture 
yourself over that decision.  I came to the same decision several years ago,
and my first impulse was to sell off my collection, too (I had several 
thousand dollars worth of secular music, some very rare and expensive stuff,
bootleg Zeppelin and the like).  Anyway, as my wife and I were going through
the decision of what to do, the same thought came popping into my mind
"well, I might as well sell it, it's available anyway".  What bothered me
about that was that it was the same justification I used when I dealt drugs
oh those many years ago.  I finally decided that if it wasn't good for me,
that I couldn't really justify propogating it to others for two reasons:
1.  It would either end up in the hands of unbelievers, and by it's nature
would not accomplish bringing them to the Lord and
2.  It could end up in the hands of believers, and since it wasn't made for
the Glory of God, wouldn't edify, so
I ended up destroying them all.  This is pretty radical, and I'm sure some
on this net will respond saying that I over-reacted and was taking away
God's ability to work through these tools, but you asked for advice, and 
all I can give you is mine.  (You might want to glance at Philipians 4:6-10)


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From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS)
Subject: Christmas Songs.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:52:05 GMT

Can you all post what are your favorite Christmas Songs are and what are
the lyrics.








Nico,
NUS.
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