From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Pro-Abortion
Organization: gte
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:27:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.105048.7267@midway.uchicago.edu>, wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:
> I suggest that all pro-abortion people start by aborting their own
> children, all of them.  Then, when they have found the joy of it
> they can tell the rest of the world and the rest of the world
> can voluntarily join them.
> 
> 			J. Wagner
> 
> P.S. Happy extinction, suckers
> 
I won't comment on the poster's lack of intelligence ... it reveals
itself.

FYI, Jack, I'm the victim of a forced abortion.  Back in high school I 
got a girl pregnant.  She and I wanted to get married and have the baby.
We were young and stupid.  Fortunately for both of us, her parents 
had another course of action in mind: she got an abortion.

At the time we were both angry and hurt.  However, looking back and
seeing some friends who did keep their kids at my ten year reunion,
I'm damn glad her parents had the intelligence to make a tough
decision that bettered my life, her life, and the lives of the
children each of later had.  You see, every one of the kids who
got married and had their kids in high school is currently living
in poverty: from one measley pay check to the next.  Many are divorced
and the mother is on welfare.

My x-girlfriend and I are each in sound families with happy well
fed children financed with good-paying jobs which require a college
education.  College is out of the question when your 17 and have 
a child to support.  With no real money to spend, the 2nd and 3rd
kids seem to pop out real quick.  Pretty soon, the money problems
get real bad and the marriage ends in divorce.  

So, yeah, we should punish every stupid 16 yr old who manages to 
get pregnant, even if by rape, by sentencing the mother and her 
child to live on welfare for the rest of their lives.  We really 
don't have enough human suffering in this world and we have an
obligation to ensure that more children are born to suffering
each year.  And we really need to increase our national debt
and our tax burden, so there's more reason to prohibit abortion
(hey, a tax-paid abortion is far cheaper than 18 years of 
welfare/afdc/wic/etc.)

WRT to the young lady who was forced to have an abortion: she 
did regret it. She cried about it, on my shoulder on several
occaisions.  It did cause her emotional pain.  On the other
hand, today she is a happy mother of two wonderful, well-fed,
loved children whereas those unfortunate girls with parents
that didn't give a damn are, for the most part, depressed 
welfare-dependent single mothers.

Abortion is a Bad Thing (tm), so is shooting somebody.
However, condemning tens of thousands of women and children to 
poverty, like allowing a mad man to butcher your family, is
a Worse Thing (tm).

It would be truly wonderful if life only gave us the choice
between right and wrong: however, life's a bitch and the tough
choices are between Bad and Worse.  Those who insist on putting
everything into Right and Wrong and insist on making everybody
use only the Right are self-righteous, ignorant, mis-guided fools.





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"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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