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From: somaiah@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Somaiah Kumbera)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Sisko's lines
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:30:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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     I agree 100% with Brooks needing to get more "into" the show -- 
     but I want to point out also that he's had some great moments
     as well as flat ones: he was brilliant through "Emissary's" 
     teaser, and he has nice chemistry with Cirroc Lofton (Jake),
     as well as with Armin Shimerman (Quark).  Where he's lacking
     a lot is with Dax.  The writing is excptional - and Dax, in
     "A Man Alone," suddenly goes from one of the most uninteresting
     in a cast of great characters to one of the most mysterious and
     intriguing.  But where I liked Sisko's "old man" reference in
     the pilot - and hope to see Sisko use it more often - I feel
     he and Terry Farrell fall flat in creating the chemistry needed
     to make the backstory between the two characters believable -
     to make us FEEL it, instead of know it through exposition.
 
     Overall, I find DS9 to be far superior to any TV Trek, and I
     think this one has more potential as a tv series.  TNG was clearly
     made as a politically correct update of TOS, and Roddenberry was
     adamant that the series WOULD NOT showcase story arcs, the
     serialization of character's lives within an episodic structure,
     or any other post-Hill Street hourlong drama convention.  I sense
     that DS9 will embrace, in part, both of these new convntions.
     This will make it impossible to air reruns in "any order" as
     was the standard practice in the 60s and 70s -- but, then again,
     who cares?  
 
     Scott Gorcey


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It's amazing how close your views come to mine, Scott. Yes, I like Brooks'
character as well, and now that you mention it, I do believe Brooks needs
time to get a handle on his role. And I am pretty certain he will. Yes,
he did goof up relieving Odo of duty, but I get goosebumps just thinking
about his "go over my head one more time and I'll have your's...on a 
platter" line to Kira. The line was,  in itself, a little on the tacky,
but Brooks' delivery landed it in many a .signature file, no doubt.

Yes, I do believe DS9 is a murkier, less politically correct, "closer
to real life" version of TNG, and I guess that's what it owes it's 
popularity to. The characters aren't the squeeky-clean TNG types, 
nor are they the "break down the doors and steal the women" TOS types.
They are, however, the most "human" of all Trek characters I've seen
so far.


Somaiah.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Question/SPOILER on DS9: "A Man Alone"
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:21:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.144512.2595@inland.com> tanski@inland.com writes:
>Possible Spoiler with an inquiry



>
>During the DS9 episode "A Man Alone," the discussion in which the 
>entry into the holosimulator (?) could have been done be a shape-shifter,
>one then wonders how did the knife get in?  Although Odo could have made
>part of himself (itself?) into a knife, he would then have to leave
>part of him behind since the knife was still in the body.  Is this a
>flaw in that arguement?  If this has been debated already, what was the
>thread so I can catch up and sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

Interesting point... I supposed it could be argued that the knife was a
holo-knife, created by the holosuite, but then, aren't holodecks (and
-suites by extension) supposed to have "fatality protection" routines
built in?


-- 
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: [TNG] S.O.S.: Ship in a Bottle (1)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:51:28 GMT


Hullo!

Well, now that we've got two series to try to keep up with each week,
I've decided that maybe it's about time I stopped trying to come up
with charming banter up here each posting (Hey, it's not nice to cheer
like that :-)  Henceforth, this space will be reserved for important
information regarding submissions and the like.  Unless of course
there is an uproar from my loyal readers calling me back :-)

So, here's the REALLY important stuff...

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  Rob Knauerhase      5.7 / 10.0      5.7         * * * * * X
  Brad Barton         8.5 / 10.0      8.5         * * * * * * * * Y
  Josh Laff           8.5 / 10.0      8.5         * * * * * * * * Y
  Anton Sanderfoot    8.5 / 10.0      8.5         * * * * * * * * Y
  Jeff Rupley         9.0 / 10.0      9.0         * * * * * * * * * 
  Mark Ruzon          9.8 / 10.0      9.8         * * * * * * * * * X
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  Average                             8.3         * * * * * * * * >
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If you're new to the S.O.S., hit space and keep reading.  If you're
familiar with the system, hit `n' now



WHAT IS IT?
  The S.O.S. (Spoiler-Free Opinion Summary) is a twice-weekly posting
  made by yours truly.  The first posting is made Thursday and is
  intended to give those people who don't see the episode until later
  in the week a hint as to the quality of episode to expect.  The
  second posting is made Sunday and gives the final ratings for the
  entire week as a summary of the opinions of the entire viewing
  constituency (or at least those who participate :-)

HOW DO I JOIN IN?
  Becoming a part of the S.O.S. is simple.  After you've seen the
  episode, send me email at `jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu'.
  Include a simple rating on a numeric scale (no letter grades --
  too much controversy).  Please do NOT include any spoiler
  information.  I usually don't get to see the episodes until 11am
  Sunday, and I like to go in fresh.

TWICE THE FUN FOR YOUR MONEY!
  With the recent premiere of Deep Space Nine, the S.O.S. has been
  expanded.  I now make postings covering both series, TNG and DS9.
  When you submit, please clearly specify which series your review is
  for.  I'll usually be able to tell just from the title, but the
  extra help makes my life a little bit easier.

This concludes this installment of the S.O.S.  Join us next posting
for more exciting adventures...

Joe
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From: zapata@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Charles B. Zapata)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The clone problem.
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:35:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

There seems to be a great deal of controversy considering the Clone problem - why newly developed clones are fully intelligent and have memories.

Consider the level of technology we are dealing with on Star Trek.  Computers are built with vastly more power and speed than any present engineer could dream of, and routine medical technology is on the molecular scale.  It would be safe to assume that they would know a great deal about the brain as well, specifically memories.

We have seen evidence of this before.  In one episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Pulaski alters an alien clild's mind so that he forgets he was ever on the Enterprise.  No problem.  On another past episode, the Romulans kidnap Geordie and pump visual images directly into his visual cortex.

Why isn't possible to assume that there exists a machine that reads the electromagnetic and biochemical patterns of a subject's mind, and then writes those patterns into a genetically identical mind?  This technology would probably be outlawed by the Federation for many reasons, both ethical (Are we playing God?) and practical: no criminal would ever be "caught" because a clone could be activated by one of his cronies.  But you can bet that this technology would be available on the black market for a high 




enough price.

I'm not saying it would be easy.  I'm not saying it would be practical.  But I think it would be possible...

Charles Zapata

  
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From: jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff)
Subject: Re: "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour"
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:15:04 GMT

Neil Buesing (buesinnj@cda.mrs.umn.edu) wrote:
: 
: Come March 27th the play "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" will be in
: Minneapolis, MN.  It is directed by Patrick Stewart, and will star:
: Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, Gates McFadden, Colm Meany,
: .<etc>.... 
: Does anyone know what this play is about? 

I saw this play at the Arvada Center (NW of Denver) about 6 years ago.
The star is a political prisoner who is in prison because of his ideas.
He shares a cell with a guy who is a little nuts and thinks he hears an
orchestra.  Indeed, there is a full orchestra (live) that isn't in the
pit, it's right up there on stage.  This isn't a musical; no one sings 
songs or anything.  The orchestra provides the background music.

Other than the prisoner and his orchestra-hearing cellmate, other characters
include the prisoner's son, a couple wardens at the prison and a woman who 
plays the son's teacher.  As I remember, the main part of the story is
between the man and his son; he tries to teach the son his own ideals, while
"the state" is teaching something else.  I think "the orchestra" is a 
metaphor for "the state", there's a lot of pressure for the son to "join
the orchestra" throughout the play.

Anyway - I didn't think it was the greatest work to ever grace the stage,
but I did enjoy it, especially the unusual staging with a full orchestra
and its members as part of the cast.  I'd see it again.  I'd see it in a
heartbeat if the Star Trek cast was in it!  (maybe they'll take the show
on the road and we'll all get to see it!)

Please post (or email me) after you see it and tell how it was.

- Jennifer
  jkl@md.fsl.noaa.gov

By the way, the title "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" comes from the
acronym for "EGBDF", those are the names of the musical notes on the
lines of the treble clef staff.  Acronyms such as this were used for
children to remember to "learn to read their notes."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: roese@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: kirk/english space seed: politics!
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:31:54 GMT

an analysis of the socio-political context of the episode
sheds considerable light on the issue of languages.
recall that in the episode, some sort of world war was described
as having taken place in the 1990s -- one that presumably
involved a clash primarily between americans and communists,
but also involving many minor dictatorships favoring
autocratic and anti-american ideals.  khan, being intellectaully
superior, of course speaks several languages, including english,
but his political views were anti-american and anti-democratic
to the extreme. when he hears kirk speak english, the realization
is an awesome one: the americans won! not only did their culture
survive and prosper follwoing the world war, but their culture
asssumed a dominant position in the new galactic federation (note how
proudly kirk refers to the "united" federation in the tomorrow is
yesterday episode).  hence, the conclusion is that indeed english
is being spoken, both parties understand it, and its subtle political
meaning referennces the defeat of khan's philosophies and the victory
of kirk/america.

neal.


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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: WANTED: SOMEONE TO HANDLE .CHARACTERS IDEA!!!!!
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 04:15:56 GMT

WANTED: Someone to handle the .characters 'split' idea in
news.groups. 

I cannot handle the discussion in news.groups because I have no
idea how it works and because I cannot get news.groups. If you
are a proponet of this idea, please 'adopt' it. Also, you could
keep me posted on the idea's progress ;)

If you have no idea what I am talking about, here goes:

A few days (or weeks or whatever) ago, I suggested that the ras
structure be slightly modified to include a .characters group
to address questions about characters in all the ST shows and
movies. It would handle stuff like 'Troi's Butt' and 'Worf's a
sissy'. 

I have seen no real objections to this plan, and I believe that
it is the most feasible idea that has been suggested. If you
have any questions, e-mail me at the address below:

---
Lee Smallwood	msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu	Tazewell HS

		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
                (Tazewell and Va-Pen chapters)
From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rare Galoob ST: TNG Action figures FOR SALE
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:32:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Since the introduction of a new line of Star Trek:TNG action figures, the
original issues from Galoob have continued to increase in price. Galoob
had problems getting product to market, therefore many of its figures are
extremely rare.

I have a set of the rare ST:TNG action figures from Galoob which I must 
sell for financial reasons. The set includes:
Tasha Yar
Lt. Data (the green speckled version)
Q (in his judge's costume from Encounter at Farpoint)
Ferengi
Antican (dog-like creature from Where Silence Has Lease)
Selaay (cobra-like creature from WSHS)

All figures are in mint condition, in their original, unopened bubble pack
containers, with all original accessories (tricorders, Ferengi whips, etc.)
The boxes were never marked with price stickers.

I have seen the Yar and Data models for $30-$35, and even higher prices asked
for the Aliens set (Q, Ferengi, Antican and Selaay have gone for $40-$45)

I would like to sell my set for $160.00. Price is negotiable, but I would
really prefer to keep the figures together as a set.

Please e-mail me at:
ced@dartmouth.edu (preferred address) or
los@coos.dartmouth.edu (unix account address)

Thanks,
Chuck
From: ericg@getafix.cs.uoregon.edu (eric leander gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: IMHO
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:14:10 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1993Jan23.193117.17047@athena.mit.edu> wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey) writes:
>

[What does IMHO mean?]

No, you're not a complete idiot...everyone eventually asks the question or
sees it being answered somewhere.  

It means:  In My [Humble|Honest] Opinion.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz)
Subject: Re: Funniest TNG (was Re: WORST EPISODE)
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:08:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.175444.13808@midway.uchicago.edu>, mjm4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael J McNaughton) writes:

|> One of my favorite Q scenes ever is in this episode. Right after Q#2 reinstates
|> our favorite Q as a member of the continuum (in the shuttlecraft) I loved it
|> how he snaps his fingers and the rather large Calamarain (sp) are now shrunk
|> to palm sized in his hand. His quote about "If you think you suffered before.."
|> is priceless... as is Q#2's warning to be good...
|> 
|> So Q just blows the shrunken Calamarain away. heh. True omnipotence and 
|> disregard for lower forms of life. yep, truly Q. Or is that True Q? No
|> wait, that's the other episode...
|> 

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned my favorite line yet on this thread...


From "Relics"...

Data:  "It is...  it is...  it is green"

I fell on the floor laughing! ;-)

-- 



I think
I think I am
Therefore I am!
I think...



                            Steve Gabrilowitz
                            Martin Marietta, Orlando Fl.
                            steve-gabrilowitz@orl.mmc.com
                            Fidonet 1:363/1701 (407-380-1701)
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clones
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:08:56 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan25.170925.17375@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>In the recent DS9 episode "A Man Alone", or something like that,
>Sisko and Odo allow the villian's clone to live.  Why?  What would
>prevent this clone (or, rather, save him) from doing the same thing
>his original did?

	Well, genetics is only part of what creates a person's personality,
there are also environmental factors.  The clone has (presumably) no memories,
and he's living on a different Bajor than the man he was copied from.
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 rumor *SPOILER*
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:02:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k3uc0INNi6l
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <9301261628.AA05929@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>V075Q5FR@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>      Do you hate women or what?
>Not if they can act.  Can't get enough of Dax, Guinan, Ishara, Pulaski,
>Shelby, etc.  Molly is an annoying, crying plot device. Kira is a
>one-dimentional non-stop PMS-machine, and the actress who plays Keiko
>couldn't act her way out of a paper bag--not even a WET one!  Hell,
>Sirtis as Troi could beat them all!

	As some of us point out ad nauseum, this is not an opinion shared by
most working actors, directors and playwrights.

	Then again, what other opinion would be consistent with someone
who thinks Patrick Stewart is a bad television actor?

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <knauer.727587529@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>  
knauer@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
> In <1993Jan20.164134.15468@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  
dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
> >In article <1ji0j8INNs5j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac7@po (Michael A.  
Chary) writes:
> >>
> >>Not only is "The Outcast" the worst episode of Star Trek in any
> >>series.  It might be the worst episode of series television.
> >You never watched "Whose the Boss" then, huh?
> 
> No, but I cannot imagine anything worse than _Outcast_.  If there  
is,
> I don't want to know about it...
> 

Interesting. I thought The Outcast was a pretty good episode.
What specifically didn't you like about it?


Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: buesinnj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Neil Buesing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who plays Tarshara Yar?
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:52:27 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <lm35qaINN48@lovelady.cs.utexas.edu> jfrench@cs.utexas.edu (Jason French) writes:
>Beth Troussaint played ISHARA Yar.  It would be pretty confusing if her name
>was Tashara when her sister was named Tasha, but I could she how you could
>make this mistake.  Beth Troussaint does resemble Linda Hamilton from the
>T.V. show Beauty and the Beast and the movie Terminator II.  I don't know
>if Beth Troussaint has been in anything execpt this guest starring in Star
>Trek:  The Next Generation.
>
>Jason French
>jfrench@cs.utexas.edu
>
 Beth Troussaint made a guest spot on the short live NBC's series 
"Nightmare Cafe."  I remember seeing here in a MacGyver Episode as well.

Neil Buesing
buesinnj@cda.mrs.umn.edu
From: st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why should DSN be removed from startrek current?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:59 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C16Hxw.ACE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, spock@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott) writes...
>	Why does eveyone want DSN moved out of startrek current? Afterall DSN is

This is not any kind of flame.  It's just that when "startrek.current" was 
created there was only one startrek.  DS9 ("They call it "DS9" on the show,
so I'm going to use DS9) didn't exist.
Given the huge variety of topics this show has already started, the effort of
maintaining a kill file would be prohibitive.  Recently we have
DS9, Kira, Odo, Bashir, Babe, List, Murder, ... just to name a few.  

I feel it would be better to have

   startrek.ds9.reviews
   startrek.ds9.current
   startrek.tng.reviews
   startrek.tng.current

The other sections (technical, misc, etc) seem to be okay for now.
This is not much of a problem now because there havn't been any new episodes of
TNG since DS9 started.  Can you imagine what it is going to be like is 
startrek.current when this happens?  Currently, I'm getting 150 new messages
every 18 hours.  As I already said, the titles vary tremendously.  Now, one
other alternative that I would support would be to adopt the prefix format 
used in many other newsgroups.

I would propose as an alternative to new newsgroups

  DS9: title of article  (deep space 9)
  TNG: title of article  (Next Generation)
  DSN: title of article  (deep space 9 alternative)
  title of article       (current misc like "Deforest Kelly is Dead")

Why DS9 and DSN?  Well, people seem to like both and having two items in
a kill file is not a big hassle.  Why waste a lot of band width arguing over
it when there is no power to enforce DS9 or DSN anyway.

In any case, I believe the current system will collapse after we have a couple
good, controversial episodes on both shows in the same week.
Comments welcome, I'll pass on the flames though.
---
Stephen McLeod
The Eternal? Student
From: ac999239@umbc.edu (ac999239)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES FIND KIRA ATTRACTIVE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:59:15 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

I think the babe that plays Dax makes Kira and Troi both look like dogs!
Please don't flame for personal opinions ;)