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From: suwandi@fraser.sfu.ca (Omnipotent)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:14:41 GMT

[stuff cut off]

I don't think the people here are giving enough justice to the Indonesian
Chinese.. Let me tell u all abt myself first..

I am an Indonesian. I've not been home (Indonesia) for 11 years 
and I can't say I missed it till I made friends with some Indonesian
Chinese.. All they can speak of Indonesia are good things. How the country
has prospered, how much difference Indonesia is than back in 1982, etc..
It made me ashamed that I had looked down upon Indonesia so much. Now that
I know better, I am planning to return to Indonesia after my graduation.

Be proud of Indonesia and stop scapegoating people!
-- 
      Julian Suwandi        |  Quotes / Unquote of the week
         643-0827           |   The noblest of all dogs must be the hot dog;
      suwandi@sfu.ca        |   it actually feeds the hand that bites it.
  Simon Fraser University   |                           quoted by Denise Low
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Subject: SSI failure
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:49:25 CST
Originator: kao@sun-27.cae.wisc.edu



I saw it on our local TV news that the Supercomputer System Inc. (SSI)
ownd by the chinese supercomputer genious Steven Chen is going belly up.
The main funding source for the SSI is IBM. IBM announce that it is 
going to cut off its funding to the SSI. This is the reason why the SSI
fail.


It is very sad to hear such news. The SSI is the third major computer company
own by chinese failed in recent years (Wang, another company in CA whose name
I don't recall, ant the SSI).


It is pretty weird. I read it somewhere that SSI just got a large sum of money
from Taiwan. Did this deal went through at all?


Kao
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Sweed need help
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:46:09 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anaphora.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan25.160046.13661@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan24.162933.2803@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, ndb070@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>|> Hello! I'm a Sweed wich is going to travel around in Asia this
>|> summer and Autumn. But I don't know so much about what I should see
>|> and visit in your country. Could you help me? What food is the best,
>|> What restaurant is your favourite one and so on. What places must I visit?
>|> Anythin is interesting for me!
>|> 
>
>Taiwan can be the best place or the worst place to visit. It all depends
>on your personal preference. If you like to be around people, taiwan is
>difficult to beat. Taiwan has one of the best night life in the world (to
>me anyway). You can find exciting stuff to do around the clock. If you like
>cities like Hong Kong, Tokyo, New York ..., you will enjoy your stay there.
>On the other hand, if you enjoy nature, clean air ..., don't even consider
>going to taiwan. There is a joke around chinese at Madison. If you hate
>a American who like nature, recommend him to go to spend his
>annual vacation at Taiwan. It will be the best revenge!
>
>
>Well, don't let me persuade you not to go to visit taiwan. Even if you can
>not stand a highly-polluted place, try taiwan for a very short stay anyway. 
>since there are few such exotic places on earth.
>
>
>Kao

	Let me add something.  The whole island of Taiwan is really not
that bad.  There are some industrial areas which are just like the 
industrialized areas of the world, but for the most part it is 
acceptable since the locals more than make up for it in services and
effeciency.  

	Taiwan is quite diverse in culture.  The northern part of the
island (Taipei ... etc.) is very active and lively.  It is like most
big cities in the world.  The city never sleeps.       

	But if you enjoy nature and serenity, you could also find it 
in Taiwan, especially in the eastern part of the island.  There you
will find some of the most breath taking views of Taiwanese land scape.
Or if the life in the city becomes too difficult to cope, go visit the
southern part of the island.  People are quite different there, they 
are more friendly and more relaxed.  Or go visit the national park in
the southern tip of the island.  It is quite beautiful.  

	No matter what, a visit to Taiwan is worth it.         

- Have a good trip.

- C. H. Yang
From: chang@ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: woman
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

It seems that people are interested in the topic of woman. Here's one to 
share with you guys.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

                         HE WORKS and SHE WORKS

The family picture is on HIS desk:     The family picture is on HER desk:
Ah, a solid responsible family man.    Hmm, her family will come before
                                       her career.

HIS desk is cluttered:                 HER desk is cluttered:
He's obviously a hard worker and       She's obviously a disorganized
a busy man.                            scatterbrain.

HE'S talking with co-workers:          SHE'S talking with co-workers:
He must be discussing the latest deal. She must be gossiping.

HE'S not at his desk:                  SHE'S not at her desk:
He must be at a meeting.               She must be in the ladies' room.

HE'S not in the office:                SHE'S not in the office:
He's meeting customers.                She must be out shopping.

HE'S having lunch with the boss:       SHE'S having lunch with the boss:
He's on his way up.                    They must be having an affair.

The boss criticized HIM:               The boss criticized HER:
He'll improve his performance.         She'll be very upset.

HE'S getting married:                  SHE'S getting married:
He'll get more settled.                She'll get pregnant and leave.

HE'S having a baby:                    SHE'S having a baby:
He'll need a raise.                    She'll cost the company money in
                                       maternity benefits.

HE'S going on a business trip:         SHE'S going on a business trip:
It's good for his career.              What does her husband say?

HE'S leaving for a better job:         SHE'S leaving for a better job:
He recognizes a good opportunity.      Women are undependable.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China's GNP
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:37:51 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>  (Guo Wei) writes:

>interesting point is that it gives an estimate of China's real GNP per capita
>by Korea government, which is very close to my previous posted estimate ($1,0
>00 to $2,000)
>
You need to explain how did you come up that figure. Basaed on what?
What formula, factors support your arguement?

If the CCP gave a number, that should be correct. No single country is
forced to come up that number. There are common formula and factors used
to compute the GNP. The government gave the number should have details.
Counting on no tax policy, indeed the China GNP should be higher than
that number. But, there is no way to come up severl times higher, based
on the US tax rate 30% higher may be.

>     China's official per capita GNP was $380 last year, but the Korean
>government estimates it at around $1,100, similar to Korea's level in the late
>1970s.(Yonhap)
>.
The same level was referred to the sistuation of Taiwan in 60s. That is why
many people like to say that the mainland is behind Taiwan for 30 years.
And it explains everything. The college graduates made NT$1800 in 60s. That
was about U$45 (rate 1:40). Today's mainland, the new graduates make less than
RMB200, is in the same level. The new graduates in computer eng. make 
NTS40,000 today, it is equivalent to U$1600. The new graduate news reporters
make more than that number, US2000. 

The GNP reflects the purchasing power and living standard of that nation.
While Taiwan was at U$400, the foreign investors poured money in. Nowadays,
the foreign investors left and Taiwan has become the 3rd investor in mainland.
The GNP really reflects a nation economy, and business activities.
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SSI failure
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:19:02 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paronomasia.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan27.182914.1609@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <C1Iq0M.En7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune) writes:
>>
>>The failure of Steve Chen's and Wang's companies just goes to
>>show how efficient the free market is in pruning out non competitive
>>corporations based on yesterday's technologies.
>
>	I don't think the problem is technologies but the abilities 
>	of companies to adapt to rapid changes of the market place. 
>	Many companies are successful not because of new technologies.
>	For example, SUN builds her success by putting together existing
>	(if not old) technologies and continuing to refine them.
>

	And SUN has a very predatory marketing strategy.  The SUN salemen
are notorious for cutting into their own profit just to make a sale and
squeeze other players out of the market.  The lab I used to work for 
bought a bunch of Sparc 2+ for upto 60% discount on each machine.  

>>The only sad thing I see in this is that it makes me feel like
>>that the Chinese mind is great for fine tuning existing ideas
>>but still not quite able to create new ideas easily.  Since
>
>	I believe the work done by both Chen and Wang are considered
>	to be innovative at the time; they did not just fine tune the
>	existing ideas. They may be guilty of being too stubborn with
>	their ideas but that is also an important quality in doing
>	research. I think their problem is not being able to transform
>	themselves from an innovative scientist to an timely enterprizer.
>
	That only show that these men were scientists not business men.

>>both Chen and Wang got their Ph.D.'s from USA, could this lack
>>of ability to innovate be some sort of a genetic weakness of
>>the Chinese people?
>
>	Both Wang and Chen are good examples to counter and not
>	support this assumption.
>	
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>

- C. Yang

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17464 soc.culture.china:35112
From: ygu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu)
Subject: Re: Show Down
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:30:57 GMT


>jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

>In article <1jqjnkINNd98@shelley.u.washington.edu> chchen@u.washington.edu wri>tes:
>>I heard this news from PBS Asia now. It  said that
>>for the first time in 40 years,  Tchaikovsky Swan Lake was performed 
>>by the dancers of the mainland central ballet. 

>I watched Swan Lake early 80's in mainland, which was less than 40 years ago.
>Maybe, they meant the Central Ballet visited TW first time in 40 years?
>In fact, there were at least five "generations" of the White Swan in mainland.
>They did very beautiful job, I hope people in TW will like the performance.

I have watched the same news on Asia Now and made a video recording of it.

This is the original line of the news :
".... It is a ballet which is being seen by millions of fans all over the
world. But this rendition of Swan Lake was a first; it was the Taiwan
de'but (French word) of Central Ballet of China, the only time in its 30 years
of existance that the mainland dancing troop has ever set a point of toe on 
island. ....."

enjoy!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Investment [was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese ]
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:05:46 GMT

In article <1jln8jINNo05@shelley.u.washington.edu> chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) writes:
>
>There are many ways to save money while living in the US.  The 2 ways
>suggested above won't save much, except: case (1), you are going to
>have a big party at home and you need alot of plastic-wares; case (2),
>the bill (say, medical) is huge and you can actually get some
>interests from it by not pay the bill too soon (but of course you
>don't want to be late since the panalty fee will certainly give your
>account a negative net).
>
>How about let's make suggestions on the saving right here?  Let me start:
>
>1) Get no-annual fee credit cards (but don't abuse them and pay on-time).
>2) Cook at home (almost a must to save money).
>3) Buy from garage-sales.
>4) Don't buy a car, take bus.
>
>Sorry, can't think any more since I myself violate all of these rules.
>
	Don't save lots of money in Bank, put it in money market mutual funds
(Dreyfus worldwide mm fund is good one), which always beat teh best rate in
bank by 2-3%.  If you can take more risks, then put your money in good mutual
fund, i.e. Janus, 20th Century... In the long term, you can get more than 15%
return, in the short term, you may get more than 30% return if you pick a good
fund.   read misc.invest newsgroup, Money, Fortune, Forbes, Investor Daily for
more ideas.... have fun making money (which is the best way to save money :-)

Disclaimer: I am not an investment advisor, not related to any funds,
publications listed above.  Take my words at your own risk :-)

-Maoee

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17614 alt.culture.indonesia:1032
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Chinese as majority in Indonesia and Malaysia ?
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:53:27 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: theodore-sturgeon.mit.edu

In article <1k77thINN1it@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>228 massacre is a false analogy.  The simple fact is, in Taiwan,
>Taiwanese is the majority and Chinese minority.  It was the
>Chinese amry ordered by the KMT(KuoMingTung or Nationalist) regime
>massacring tens of thousands of Taiwanese.   It was the minority
>KMT regime forcing the majority Taiwanese to accept the Chinese 
>identity. 

I was simply pointing a fact of human nature.  If members of Group X
does something bad to you, you will tend not to want to be associated
with Group X.  Whether Group X is the majority or a minority is
irrelevant.  Most likely if you look at the life history of the
Indonesian Chinese who consider themselves non-Indonesian, you will
find that they have had negative experiences with the concept of
Indonesian.  If you look at the life history of the Indonesian Chinese
who consider themselves Indonesian, you will likely find that they
have had positive experiences with the concept of Indonesian.

I suspect that you can find a very similar set of coorelations between
Taiwanese and the concept of Chinese.  

I don't quite understand that point you are trying to make, however.
Are you implying that an Indonesian Chinese ought to consider
themselves Indonesian regardless of how they are treated by native
Indonesians simply because native Indonesians are in the majority?  Or
are you implying that a massacre is o.k. if it is committed by a
majority against a minority? 

What is your point exactly?




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: FYI: ROC (TAIWAN) Job Information System BBS available
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:16:25 GMT

FYI: ROC Job Information System BBS now is available at

	(212) 373-1879
	(212) 373-1881

The BBS is supported by Ching-Fwu3-Hwei4 and Culture Division, CCNAA office
at New York.  This is a Big-5 coded Chinese BBS, 24 hours a day.  The job
information is updated weekly.  The Job Information System BBS will be
available at Midwest, South and West Coast in the future.  

The above information was from Oversea Center Briefs(Hai3 Wai4 Jong Hsin
Jian3 Hsun4), vol. 163 publised Jan. 10, 1993.

I have not used the BBS yet, so I don't know the detail yet.  I guess you
have to load a Big-5 system in your computer and login the BBS with a 
terminal software such as CrossTalk, PC-Talk, Procomm, Telix or GT...

-Maoee
From: chang@ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Existence of God
Keywords: Existence of God
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:45:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: balrog.6572
Reply-To: chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.


[contents deleted]

Shouldn't this be posted in soc.religion? Why is it here?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: g3wong@student.business.uwo.ca (Gregory Wong)
Subject: re: taiwan aerospace
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:25:19 GMT

taiwan aerospace is to assemble commuter aircraft with help from british 
aerospace. tai aero sees commuter aircraft taking off, especially since 
air transportation within mainland china is taking. they also see 
increased demand when direct transportation links are established between 
taiwan and the mainland.

even though it sounds like a good deal, the soundness of the plane and 
british aero is a question mark. they're losing money and have closed a 
factory in the uk. in addition, the plane that they're tranferring for 
production into taiwan has not been well received in the market. i guess 
the big plus for tai aero is that the technology transfer is much more 
extensive than it was with mcdonnell douglas.

tai aero is also backed from some very strong organizations: the 
government of Taiwan, Evergreen - the world's largest container shipping 
company, China Steel, Tatung.

boeing is helping the industrial technology research institute to set up 
a components testing center which certify the quality and specifications 
of taiwan-made components meet international standards.


g3wong@student.business.uwo.ca (Gregory Wong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau)
Subject: Macintosh Taiwan OS
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:26:47 GMT


Hello Everyone...

      I received few files from the anonymous FTP.  Some of application
required have Taiwan OS.  Where I can get this system?  Latest verison I heard
is Taiwan OS 5.0.  I would like to latest verison.  Where I can get it?  Which
the anonymous FTP (I thought it should be in Taiwan some where)?

Thank you for take your time to read this message.  Happy Chinese New Year!

Your friendly user,
Jeramey Rambeau

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Followup-To:  soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:51:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195354.9122@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>Intesesting, could you educate me on the proliferation of "Chinese
>nationalism"?  

William Harding in his book _The Second Revolution: China After Mao_
pointed out (and my observations tend to agree with his) that while
Mainland intellectuals in the 1950's and 1960's tended to be "proud to
be Communist" or "proud to be proleteriat" and tended also to see
China as merely one small part of a worldwide class struggle, among
the younger generation there is a resurgance of "pride to be Chinese"
and that today the themes that are stressed are more nationalistic
than internationalistic.  For example, the PRC government today is
emphasizing (perhaps overly so) the uniqueness of Chinese economic
experience (i.e.  "socialism with Chinese characteristics") instead of
its universality (i.e. "workers of the world unite").

Other manifestations of Chinese nationalism including increasing
sensitivity about Japanese World War II crimes, preceived economic
dominance or political influence of outside powers (particularly
Japan), border disputes in the Spratly Islands, and a favorable
resolution of the Taiwan question.

There are several ironies associated with the increasing Chinese
nationalism.  One is that it is growing at precisely the same time
mainland China is increasing contact with the rest of the world.  The
second irony is that Chinese nationalism may lead to a less aggressive
foreign policy.  Chinese nationalism seems to be causing Chinese to
focus on China's problems instead of trying to foment Communist
revolutions throughout the third world.  The final irony is that
Chinese nationalism is helping to ease Mainland/Taiwan relations.  On
the one hand, it helps politically because it provides an common
language and outlook for people of both sides of the straits.  On the
other hand, it helps economically the overarching theme of Chinese
nationalism means that Taiwanese and Hong Kong investments on the
mainland are not treated with the same type of hostility or suspicion
that for example many Americans feel toward Japanese investment in the
U.S or that many mainland Chinese feel toward Japanese investment in
the mainland.
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SSI failure
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:07:33 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1993Jan26.194926.7463@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>
>I saw it on our local TV news that the Supercomputer System Inc. (SSI)
>ownd by the chinese supercomputer genious Steven Chen is going belly up.
>The main funding source for the SSI is IBM. IBM announce that it is 
>going to cut off its funding to the SSI. This is the reason why the SSI
>fail.
>
>
>It is very sad to hear such news. The SSI is the third major computer company
>own by chinese failed in recent years (Wang, another company in CA whose name
>I don't recall, ant the SSI).
>
>
>It is pretty weird. I read it somewhere that SSI just got a large sum of money
>from Taiwan. Did this deal went through at all?
>
>
>Kao



From what I know about it is that Steve Chen's SSI is based on the
old technology of making a computer go faster by making the CPU
operate under a very low temperature.

This techology is considered to be outdated as now massively
parallel computing technology is now available which can
appoach the speed of the old supercomputer technology and is
projected to be even faster than the old supercomputer technology
in the near future.

If Taiwan is investing money in Steve Chen's SSI, then I think
it is probably a bad idea.  Parallel computing technology is
where the smart money should go.

The failure of Steve Chen's and Wang's companies just goes to
show how efficient the free market is in pruning out non competitive
corporations based on yesterday's technologies.

The only sad thing I see in this is that it makes me feel like
that the Chinese mind is great for fine tuning existing ideas
but still not quite able to create new ideas easily.  Since
both Chen and Wang got their Ph.D.'s from USA, could this lack
of ability to innovate be some sort of a genetic weakness of
the Chinese people?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Taiwan Aerospace
From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:37:29 PST
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

Heard very quickly in passing that British Aerospace and Taiwan Aerospace 
have signed an agreement to build planes in Taiwan (perhaps because of 
the McDonall Douglass deal falling throgh?) Can someone post some more 
info on this?
   I'll give Taiwan this... it's a great step for the country's future. 
Even Japan doesn't manufacture commercial aircraft.  Those suckers sure 
do help bring in $$ into a country (gee, not that Taiwan needs any more 
foreign currency!  :)
:::::Larry:::::

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