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From: helm@jade.ucdavis.edu (Catie Helm)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: helm@jade.ucdavis.edu
Organization: Geology Department, University of California, Davis

ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) writes:
>
>Twcs suggested that armor that was safe and looked reasonable 
>would cost a lot more than $150. The helm I have used for years 
>was purchased from Get em on the Field. I have a version with a 
>removable grill, which I rarely remove; the version with the 
>fixed grill, which several of our people got, cost something like 
>$60.

I do confess, Cariadoc is right.  I err on the side of gothic
armour, so you won't see me in anything less than 15th century.

>Everything except the helm can be made out of hardened leather, 
>including gauntlets or basket hilts (see the expanded version of 
>my T.I. article in the new Miscellany). A side of saddle skirting 
>(about 22 square feet of 12-14 oz leather) will cost less than 
>$100, including postage (The Leather Factory, when they are 
>having one of their frequent sales). Add another $20 for the 
>beeswax to harden the leather, cord to lace up the lamellae, and 
>a few buckles, and you are done. You should have about a third of 
>your leather left, so reselling that to someone else in your 
>group ought to bring the price down close to $150. No plastic, 
>and good protection.

Yep, he's right again, if you go for a Visby or similar style of
armour.  Guys, however, don't have the requirement of solid breast
protection.  I will opine that ladies usually have to favor later
styles of armour in order to have good looking and legal armour that
will pass inspection.  (Ha!  I bet I just started another thread
on the rialto.  Any lady fighters out there want to contradict me?)
I myself wear a globulus gothic breast plate, and the thought of
putting a domed get-em-on-the-field helmet on top of it just makes
my aestitics cringe...  (Could it be?  Cound the Twcs be suffering
from a case of incipient armour-foppishness?  Nah...   ;-)

From all the responses I've seen to my original post, I'm beginning
to think that my definition of what constitutes "good looking on the
field" is damn close to "as much like a period illumination as possible."
Mea Culpa!

>David/Cariadoc

Twcs
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Catie Helm, internet: helm@geology.ucdavis
Stable Isotope Lab, Geology Dept.
University of California, Davis
From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Melee combat, Midrealm Crown Lists
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Sep27.150856.9165
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <920923161543_71431.167_EHJ42-2@CompuServe.COM> 71431.167@compuserve.COM (REED E HARRIG) writes:
)In a recent postings Kwellend-Njal Kollskeggson gave us his 5 rules of
)Melee combat.  I thought they were good but would like to make a small
)modification to rule 5 that went:
 
)>5) If it isn't any of the above, look it in the eye and hit it.
             
)                                 to
 
)5) If it isn't any of the above, have _it_ look _you_ straight in the
)eye,    _then_ hit it.
 
)It may not seem like I am nit picking but in the thick of a fight, just
)because you look at an opponent's eyes, that it is not a garuantee that
)they know you are there.  Fighters tend to suffer terrible tunnel
)vision and can look right past someone who pops up in their face.  The
)rule of thumb that I use in melees, after the lines have broken up, is
)that if my opponent tells me he did not see me before I struck, then I
)tell them they are not dead.
)-Palymar

	Good point.  Perhaps:

5) If it isn't any of the above, _meet_ its eyes and hit it.

Though I admit that your version is more explicit, and what I had in mind.

Kwellend-Njal
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From: rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu (Richard Myers)
Subject: boiled leather (armor)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:32:19 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a 'recipe' for boiled leather
armor.  If you have any info on this subject, please email me
(as I don't regularly read this group).  If there's interest,
I'll summarize.
Thanks,
Russel of Surrey
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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Source listings
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:07:35 GMT

Unto the gentles of the Rialto doth Enid Wrigglesworth send her
greetings the most respectful, and her wishes for continued health
and prosperity.

I have talked with the most learned and sagacious Robynn about a potential
addition to his FAQ (perhaps here OAQ (oft asked questions)) consisting of
source and supply listings.  I had started the cheap fabric listing
earlier, and a few people had asked that it be posted as an FAQ, and
since the good Robynn had a posting going, I asked him if he wanted it.

After discussing it at Pennsic with other wise and learned gentles of renown,
he decided that it would be best to have a separate FAQ for sources, and
suggested that it be added to the fabrics listing.  We very briefly discussed
categories, such as the pre-existing fabrics, and adding patterns,
material for amour and weapons, leather and leather-working tools, stuff
for just about every A&S category.

This would be a veritable demon to compile and to maintain, so I'd want to
know if it would genuinely be used and useful.

So my questions to the august assemblage are:

How many of you would like this?
How many would actually use it?
Would you have enough to contribute to make it large enough to be worth
having?

Please e-mail responses--I don't log in often enough to always catch
postings before the server here disposes of them...

Enid Wrigglesworth
Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu


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From: C_PUFFER@unhh.unh.edu (Charles   Puffer)
Subject: groop size and collage size
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:41:04 GMT
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Unto the good people of the bridge
     A few weeks ago I asked for the size of collage based groups and the size 
of there collages. I did this in hopes of finding out what the average level of 
involvement is. 
 
         Size of college       No. of members          %of active students
         _________________________________________________________________
 
         18500                 30                      0.16%
         25000                 40                      0.16%
          6000                 10                      0.16%
          6000                 20                      0.33%
         10000                 30                      0.30%
          3000                 10                      0.33%
         -----               ----
 
         68500                140                      0.21%
 
     I don't know quite what this means. But It gives an Idea about what kind of 
membership a group could expect. But because of the completely arbitrary 
     nature 
of this study (NOT) I would not let these numbers cause any concern.
 
 
In humble tomfoolary
   Duncan Forbes
 
 


[_-_-_-_-_]            
 |       |______________     Charles Puffer
 |      /             /  \   C_PUFFER@UNHH.UNH.EDU
 |    /_____________/      \
 |    |            |  |^|  |        Lord Duncan Forbes
 |    |            |  | |  |         Barony of Stonemarche
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: SCA description
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:28:25 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Greetings from Arval!  Fujimoto wrote:

> Here's a thought for the one-line description of the SCA: 
> 
> 	The SCA -- interactive historical fiction

This phrase implies to me that the SCA concentrates on role playing.  Role
playing might actually be a good description of some aspects of the
Society, but what most people expect from role playing is not at all what
the SCA is about.  For a lot of people, their SCA participation has no
element of role playing at all, unless you are willing to label as role
playing the adoption of a new name, medieval clothing, and a special social
structure.  "Historical fiction" also suggests consistency; our
re-creations freely mix elements from over a thousand years of the history
of at least three continents.  My own preference is for something like "The
fun parts of medieval history."  It implies both the diversity and the
selectivity that are typical of the SCA, while also suggesting an emphasis
on research.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: jessica@socrates.ss.uci.edu (Jessica Hines)
Subject: Dancing in Caid
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:31:18 GMT

The suggestions say keep it short:

If you are in Caid on November 21 of this year and want to
dance, the (incipient :) College of Fenwood Knoll will be
glad to oblige at their Silver Crane Wrecking Ball on that
day.  Lotsa dancing and merriment!  For more info, email
me at jessica@socrates.ss.uci.edu (or check the Crown Prints).

"If you're walking on thin ice, you might as well dance..." 
;)

(More precisely, if you're in Gyldenholt, i.e. Orange County,
California, south of Los Angeles... )
From: 00rkspicher@bsu-ucs.uucp (Randall Spicher)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Horse armoring
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct5.150444.10098

In article <1992Oct3.062436.13953@netcom.com>, peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison) writes:
> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:
> 
>> CM> directions at once. One
>> CM> could presume that the ankles of the....animals in 
>> CM> question, were fitted
>> CM> with spike bearing anklets, but I have no evidence 
> 
> Also, consider the ramifications to the horse.  If the anklets were even
> a little bit too tight, the horse would lame up due to binding on the
> tendons; too loose, and the horse would lame up with cuts where the
> anklets rubbed or from abcesses from having the hair pushed back down
> the folicles.
> 

Many/most horses, when seriously involved in running, often get the hind and 
front feet *very* close, often even hitting them togather, (if you've ever
watched a lot of horse events in which speed or action was the objective,
you might have noticed a large number of horses with things wrapped 
around their fetlocks (ankles to us humans).  These things are to 
protect the horse from injuring itself.)  Just imagine what a spike
would do to a horses leg.....

Cavalamar
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: EPSTEIN@ksuvm.ksu.EDU (Emily Epstein)
Subject: Anything doing in Columbia SC?
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:31:00 GMT

Greetings from Alix Mont de fer.

It seems I will find myself at liberty in Columbia, South Carolina on
Sunday, October 11. Is there anything going on there at that time? I'd
be especially interested in music, dance or cookery, but any gathering would
be enjoyable. My thanks in advance.

Alix
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re-  Arrow Number Three
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:58:28 GMT

In article <9209231453.aa23134@mc.lcs.mit.edu>, carole_newson-smith@net.COM 
(Carole Newson-Smith) writes:
> Ciaran, my recommendation to you is that you find out for yourself 
> what the SCA is like.  No amount of discussion on the Bridge can 
> substitute for an SCA event.

  Agreed.  It still seems reasonable to ask people their
opinions here.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: lcatlett@milton.u.washington.edu (Lynn Catlett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: RE:  Low Mileage Colic Cure
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:55:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep28.235558.29712
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Dorthea, advising Bertram the New Papa, says: 
> (The
>other thing that helped was taking him for long drives in the mechanical
>wain, hours and hours in the middle of the night.  I hope you don't have
>to do this.)

Since sleep-deprived parents driving for hours and hours in the
middle of the night soon lose the bright, young glow, their 
sense of humor, etc., you might try (if needed, which heaven
forefend) putting infant in carrier on clothes dryer and drying
a looooooooooooong load.  Seems to work very much the same way...

Good luck!
Lynn
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Historical Survey Question
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <Mel7M3S00WB4RaD3IQ@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>So, what does the week-dressed 3-week-old wear to her first event?

Swaddling clothes.  That is, take a crib-sized receiving blanket or
sheet (depending on how hot you expect it to be), put the kid on it,
and wrap up firmly so that only the head protrudes.  Yes, I mean wrap
firmly enough that she can't move her arms or legs.  Unwrap and wrap
again whenever diaper needs to be changed.  

This is not only period, it may be exactly what your newborn wants.  I
remember when my son Tristan (now eighteen) was an infant, he brought
three-month colic to a fine art.  One of the things that helped was
swaddling tightly enough that he couldn't fling his arms and legs around,
which is apparently something new and frightening to the newborn.  (The
other thing that helped was taking him for long drives in the mechanical
wain, hours and hours in the middle of the night.  I hope you don't have
to do this.)

If you don't want to swaddle her, make her a little tiny T-tunic long
enough to cover the mundane diaper.  

And in either case, keep the sun off her head--one of those little linen
caps with bonnet strings to tie under the chin is fine and period for
several centuries.


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.

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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: New files for FTP
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:01:08 GMT

For those of you who can use FTP to retrieve files, some updates
are available.  Specifically:

o I have updated the list of groups in the SCA, based upon the Board
  Minutes, and and updates from Herr Peder Klingrode. (group)

o I was given a copy of the updated Fencing Rules for the East Kingdom
  (last modified September 1992 by the new Marshal of Fence) (ek_fencing)

o Miklos has updated the places file with new information from various
  kingdom newsletters. (places)

Files can be found on bransle.ucs.mun.ca (134.153.2.24) in the
subdirectory pub/sca.  The file names are given in parenthesis above.
Miklos keeps a lot of nice stuff here, you can check the README file
for a better listing.

For those who do not have access to FTP, I am willing to send the
fencing information and the group information via email, but please
be understanding if my email inbox overflows, and it takes a little
while to answer.  I cannot get the other files for you: sorry.

My thanks to Miklos, for making such a nice resources available, and
answering every request I make with "Sure, no problem".

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Arrow number Three ...
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:52:07 GMT

In article <5+dzb5_@rpi.edu>, habura@vccsouth05.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie 
Habura) writes:
> Why is there an assumption that the SCA should be acting to 
> change the public's opinion of the pentacle?

  I certainly have never entertained such an idea.

  By the way, I thought your application of patent law was pretty
funny.  Thanks for the humor -- this thread has needed it.

  Ciaran.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Pentacles - "technical" question
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:18:24 GMT

In article <431-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP> Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP> writes:

>He states, in his preface, that his work is "collected" knowledge,
>garnered from older sources, but I can neither confirm nor rebut his
>claim.

As opposed to those writers of occult tomes who say, "I just made this up"?

I was fooling around with a ruler and a pencil and I came up with this sharp
symbol, and I thought I would identify it with tremendous power over spirits
of air and fire.  Buy my book?

Of course he ascribed his book to the collected knowledge of the deep and
mystical wisdom of the ages.  Not until the 20th century could you have
some friends over to your place to start your own occult tradition from
scratch.

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From: SAUNDRSG@qucdn.queensu.ca (Graydon)
Subject: horse enhancements, the element of fiction
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:47:00 GMT

Spiked anklets aren't what you want; the only thing backing the anklet
is the horse's fragile leg.  What you *do* want is a nice heavy horseshoe
with a toecap, and possibly cleated (essentially, hobnailed horseshoes.)
The toecap lets the horse do the traditional 'kick with the front edge of
the front hoof' without worrying too much about splitting a hoof on that
nasty steel armor, and the shoe in general constitutes fluking the mace.
The cleats will be more useful as traction than as force concentrators,
but ought not to be ignored.

These things were done in the 1800's by hand; anyone know anything about
Medieval horseshoes?  (toecaps are also good for protecting a hoof from
hard and lumpy terrain.)


Aryk proceeds to point out how fuzzily I was expressing myself by
producing an argument I agree with as an opposition to what I wrote.
I *still* think there is a difference between creativity and 'making it
up', but this may be a side effect of the dialect of english I speak.

You mean, the SCA *doesn't* apply creative anachronism to Victorian
times (well, attitudes), Japan, and works of fiction?  *blink*? :]

Graydon
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From: leighann@fugazi.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Green Grow the Rushes
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:06:35 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc., Emeryville, CA

Greetings to the Rialto from Siobhan!
Claude de Montcastel writes:
|> 
|> I heard a hebrew version of the song, though I have not the 
|> slightest idea of when it was composed (might be very recent).

This song appears as part of the Passover Seder service.  I don't know
when it got into the Hagadah, but I seem to have a memory of seeing a
facsimile of a Renaissance Hagadah with the song in it (could be
remembering wrong).

Slainte!
	- Siobhan


----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
From: Joanna.Guldi@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joanna Guldi)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Membership 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:07:26

Inspired by your great arguments on membership privilages-

Does anyone know where I could get a membership application form? I, at least,
would have been a member at least a little while sooner if I could get my hands
on one!

Fiore Pescara



 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: grimmund@edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing)
Subject: Requiring Membership to play
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:17:38 GMT


To all on the Rialto, Greetings!

	Having given this matter a bit of thought, it occurs to me that 
perhaps requiring membership to participate as a officer is a 
counterproductive thing.  Seems to me that we are already asking
people to give up a lot of time and effort to autocrat events; 
requiring the sucker/r/e/k/c/u/s to give up another $25 to 
Milpitas is sort of adding insult to injury.
	FYI, I am a paying member, officer (chirurgeon), andoccasional 
autocrat.  I don't see where membership should make a big 
difference in giving people awards, if the awards are based on 
service or skill in a craft.  Regardless of if Jane Doe has paid
membership, she has still sewn clothes for half my shire.  John 
Doe has still taught our 7 fledgling archers to shoot, and his 
membership status has no effect on that.
	As Chirurgeon, I need to continue to keep up certification, as 
well as pay dues, for the privilege of hearing my name screamed
whenever someone gets hurt.  That's okay, I've got Stupid Hero 
Reflexes (tm) and come running, but every so often I wonder why I 
have to pay Milpitas for the privilege.
	I'm pretty certain that a fair number of non-members feel the 
same way.  Why should they pay more money to be eligible for all 
the nasty, thankless official jobs that require membership?
	Mind, I don't have a problem with it.  The $12 for the card gets 
paid back in member's troll discounts, especially if I go to 
Pensic.  The other $13 I am getting back as TI and my kingdom 
newsletter.  
	Euriol may have made a rather good point when she pointed out 
that the only places membership forms are generally found is in 
the subscription publications that members receive, or in the
Chatelaine's handouts.  Since our chatelaine does not always get to
our "public" meetings, we don't seem to put a lot of emphasis on 
membership benefits.  I'd be happy if we could just set some of 
the newcomers up with the local newsletter, let alone national
membership.  Maybe we should sell memberships "at the gate"?
	It seems to me that we are putting things backwards, and 
associating membership with office holding.  This may make it 
distasteful to people with an aversion to "hats".  If the
perception is that the major benefit of being a paid member is
that you can now hold a part-time unpaid job for the SCA, is it so 
surprising that membership figures are not to the BoD's liking?

 Just my thoughts on the matter.  Yours in Service, 
Grimmund Blackwing, Chirurgeon,
Queen's Own Shire of Windhaven, Northshield, Middle Kingdom   

Usenet:  grimmund@edsi.plexus.com
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