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From: taylor@dominy.enet.dec.com (Bruce J. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Treadle lathe
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:20:38 GMT


In article <1h8pneINN5cs@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, Eric Kasten writes...
>I was wondering if anyone had any opinion on a treadle
>lathes?  It's been a few years since I last used a lathe,
>and I'm more accustomed to the motorized variety.  Lately
>I've been contemplating constructing a treadle lathe -
>I read somewhere lately that someone had switched back to
>a human powered lathe from a motorized one because it gave
>him greater control - and was wondering if anyone had
>any thoughts on the use, construction of such a lathe?

Well, I've done a fair amount of spindle and bowl turning, and I've
even done some on a steel treadle lathe from the late 19th century.
It was interesting, and even fun - but I would NEVER switch back for
control or any other reason. Here's why:

1. It's exhausting work. Figure that a modern lathe with ball-bearing
   spindles needs a minimum 1/3-hp motor to be useful. Can you deliver
   1/3 horse with one leg for long periods? Also, the flywheel bearings
   are going to eat into the energy, and so will the headstock, if you
   use the standard bushing or pillow block techniques. This is why the
   old-timers had apprentices - to turn the "great wheel" that drove
   the headstock.

2. It takes a lot of coordination. Since you've done some turning, you
   know about the "woodturner's lean" - tool handle braced on hip, blade
   supported on tool rest, now lean your whole body to move the tip. 
   Well, you can't do this if you're pumping the treadle with one leg,
   so you have to use just your hands for tool control. You lose a 
   lot of control that way.

3. Inconsistent speed. No matter how careful you are, and how heavy your
   flywheel (the lathe I used had a 3' steel wheel - I guess about 120lbs),
   the work still spins faster on your power stroke. This takes a lot of
   getting used to. Also, you can break an ankle if you lose the rythm of
   the treadle.

Like I said, I would never build a treadle lathe for "greater control",
or for production turning. However, I WOULD build one in homage to the
old-timers, who accomplished such wonderful work despite all the draw-
backs I listed. To understand the difference in tools and techniques 
between then and now, you really have to belly up to a treadle lathe
and get all sweaty - no amount of reading Roy Underhill can really
teach you.

By the way, if you decide to go ahead with this, my favorite design is
in "Fine Woodworking on Machines." The one I'm thinking of uses a bicycle
chain and freewheel to decouple the treadle from the headstock spindle.
Slick design.

				Good Luck -
				Bruce Taylor
From: wack@ariel.ncsl.nist.gov (John Wack)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: drawknife use
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:35:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology


I'm making a Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired sofa table and, for a more
contemporary look, am going to scallop the stiles that adorn the
ends and mid-point of the table.  In other words, the stiles are
about 1 x 2 x 18 and I'm going to make them concave along one 1 x 18
dimension.  To do this, my brother, who's an accomplished woodcarver
but who's just moved to CA far from here, recommends using a drawknife.
(I should mention that I don't have a bandsaw, but could use a 
friend's).

I've never used one and my brother, to whom woodcarving comes easy,
has been known to do things, imho, the hard way but gets excellent
results.  He recommends buying a small drawknife (about $30) and 
cleaning up the stiles with my drill press and a sanding drum.  Can 
anyone out there with experience comment on whether a drawknife would 
be worthwhile on this project and, how to use a drawknife?  The table 
has only 8 stiles and the scallops shouldn't be too deep.  The idea of
sitting quietly using a drawknife is more appealing to me these days 
than using more power tools. 

Any advice much appreciated,
John Wack

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From:         RMTYE@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM
Subject:      Re: Rust prevention

I'm doing pretty well with tools that can live in closed cabnets, boxes
or drawrs by putting cloth bags filled with silica gell in with them.

The gel abosorbs moisture and can be recharged in a kitchn oven. It's
available in large quantity from some craft stores (used for drying flowers)
and isn't very expensive ($3 /lb around here)

                        Ron Tye (all opinions my own)
From: lakia@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: How to get a square edge
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:44:58 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

> I've run into this problem alot when dealing with long pieces of wood
> (> 5') and thought I'd ask the wisdom of the net.  The problem I refer to
> is getting a true edge on a board when the deflection of the warp is 
> only about 1/2 - 1 inch over the entire length.  The bed on my jointer
> (Jet 6") is too short to detect the curve, thus all I end up with is a 
> curve on a smaller width board.  

	I use my surface planer to take this out by putting the
board on edge.  If this isn't possible, I've snapped a chalk line
and used my bandsaw or table saw to to the best I could. I then
used the fence and cut the oppsite side and then the freehand
side again.
		- Earl
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From: an625@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kryl Logan)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Jointers, Which one to buy?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 14:55:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul Houtz) says:
Much dribble deleted......


>  If you are willing to put up with the possibility of sending back a
>  defective unit, I would say go with the Grizzly, as some have said it
>  is a good jointer and it is definitely cheaper than the Jet.   However,
>  there is a Jet distributer here in the Bay Area, and I wanted to buy
>  a tool I could put my hands on before purchase and try, to make sure I
>  liked it. 

I tried sending this E-mail, but apparently your mail path is defective.
I think any time you buy a product from any company you stand a chance
of having to send back a defective unit.Why single out Grizzly? Was your
mother scared by a bear? Do you have any personal experience that you
can share concerning a defective product that you had to return to
Grizzly, or are you just repeating something you heard somewhere else?
If you followed the survey that was taken here on the net a few months
ago, you would have seen that, the great majority of Grizzly customers
are very satisfied with their purchases, and would continue to deal with
Grizzly.
Making a statement like the one you made above is tantamount to saying
that one has a possibility of turning gay, if one goes to San
Francisco.:-)

Kryl


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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Bosch 1613EVS Plunge router
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:18:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


I own three routers, 2 Sears Craftsmen (1.5 HP and .5 HP), and the Bosch
1613EVS.  I have the Sears 1.5 in a rotuer table, and the .5 for grins and 
giggles.   The Bosch is the workhorse.

When I first got it I was a little unhappy.  It took me a long time to
learn that if I didn't "lead" the plunge with my left hand the action
would bind. Being a righty, this was un-natural to me.  Nowadays I
don't notice, but I was almost ready to send it back before I learned 
the trick.   Such expensive things shouldn't have tricks.

The depth indicator isn't what I wanted either.   You can't zero it out
at surface,a nd then watch how far you have plunged.

One largish pain the butt is that Bosch routers take Bosch parts, period.
It seems like everybody else used Porter and Cable guides, etc...   so when
I look int he catalogue I feel like I am missing out...   except I don't
use guides.  But I might, if I could...  who knows?

I wish the base was full circular, rather than circle with a cut out.
The irregular shape can make jigs a bit strange, because it is 2 3/4 from
the front, and 3 1/4 (sample numbers) from the back.  And if you use
the flat side you have to be careful of racking and binding, whereas
if you use the circlar sides you have to be careful you don't fall off
the circle into the flat.   I tried to put a full circle of masonite on
the thing, but my magic box of screws didn't have anything with the Bosch
threads.

Now, all is not horrible.  I bought it because of it's wide opening, and great
depth of plunge.  I use the full depth from time to time, and am very 
happy for the half inch more that it offered over anybody else.   I don't 
know how big of a bit you could put it in,  but you could put a much bigger 
one then I ever want to spin at 20K rpm!

Changing bits is easy, although I miss the spindle lock of the Sears.
The Bosch spindle lock works, but you have to keep you thumb on it while
using it. 


Would I buy another one?  I'd want to "test drive" a few of the 
From: gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul Houtz)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:07:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Scraping versus Sanding
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking

dricejb@drilex.dri.mgh.com (Craig Jackson) writes:
>
>One other note in the scraping vs sanding/work-ethic debate:
>
>Only the finest work of 300 years ago survives.  Most of the utilitarian stuff
>was thrown out.
--------

  This is an interesting opinion, and probably there is some truth in it,
  however, be careful.

  Much "art" and furniture of the past survives for reasons that have little
  to do with how "fine" they are.   Many things get preserved accidentally
  because of circumstances, and many wonderful things get destroyed 
  inadvertently by war, catastrophe, religion, etc.
 
  Changing tastes are probably the most destructive forces, causing true
  works of art of recently departed era to be thrown out with the trash.
  This is why much of Teleman's inferior music was preserved, and why much
  of Johann Sebastian Bach's music was used to wrap fish. 

  Just an observation.
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: GLM
Summary: What happened to GLM?
Keywords: glm
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:15:56 GMT

Quick question:  Why did GLM become discredited as a method of instruction?
It seems intuitive that if you could learn to parallel turn on short skis,
you could then gradually increase the length and shift balance
appropriately, etc. and could learn on longer skis much quicker... even when
it comes to carving turns...
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
       ...Let your mind wander... 
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: skiing w/in hours of L.A.?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:39:01 GMT

wrw1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.r.wiebalk) writes:


>I will be in Los Angeles in January.  I will have 1 weekend to
>ski.  I am looking for suggestions on someplace "not too far away"
>to spend the weekend skiing.

Try Snow Summit in Big Bear, 2-3 hrs. from LA.  Good snow, very good local
skiing, 11 chairs. Best during midweek.  Big Bear Inn is the best hotel, but
-- 

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From: vaisey@cs.sfu.ca (Jacques Vaisey)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question (and bindings in general)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada
	<RFLOYD.92Dec21144239@romeo.cs.duke.edu>
	<1992Dec22.205657.8085@ncar.ucar.edu>
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:05:22

>>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:56:57 GMT, ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) said:

Ilana> I like the NNN-BC (*not* the "light touring" NNN) because it holds
Ilana> my foot very well in line with the ski.  It's a vast improvement over
Ilana> my previous 3-pin binding;  however, my previous boots and bindings
Ilana> were very much lighter-duty, and obviously quite a bit of the difference
Ilana> is due to the heavier-duty equipment.  I can telemark adequately, although
Ilana> not well, but I hesitate to assign any blame to the equipment! 

Ilana> In sum, I feel that the differences between a stiff boot and a light-duty
Ilana> boot overwhelm the differences between NNN-BC and 3-pin.

From what I can see, the NNN BC seems to be a superior binding in terms
of control - especially when you want to do some diagonal stride type
touring as well as backcountry up and down. However, someone I talked
to at MEC (an equipment co-op here in town) told me that a friend of hers
had problems with the NNN BC binding auto-releasing at inconvenient times
when they were loaded down with a pack. 

Does anyone out there have any comments on the reliability of the 
NNN BC?

Thanks,


-- 
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From: mffowler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Michael Francis Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Telemarking?
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:37:54 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

After visiting Crested Butte, Colorado (yes, I know about the boycott)
since lift tickets were free!!!!!!  I noticed tons and tons of people on
telemark skies.  Being a skier for 18 years and a snowboarder for the
last ten, I would like to telemark.  To try and avoid rip off lift
tickets year round and hit the back-country.  Can anyone give me some
input about telemarking?  I am curious about some experiences you might
of had and some technical info.(ie.- what is needed and what are some
equipment prices.)  Thanks and PLEASE stop the snowboard bashing.  It's
not the snowboarder or skiiers fault- just a couple of jerks who might
have given a bad influence about their sport.  Just like some skiiers I
know.  Keep the peace- it's everyones slope.

				mffowler@nike.calpoly.edu
From: rodrigul@ibg.colorado.edu (Larry Rodriguez)
Subject: Vail crowds on Christmas Eve
Organization: IBG, University of Colorado, Boulder
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:43:52 GMT

Could someone that has been to Vail on Christmas Eve, give me an
indication of how crowded it was?  Were the lift lines long?

I have these coupons for a $30 lift ticket, but they have to be used
by December 25, 1992.  So, I'm thinking of going there on Christmas
Eve, in anticipation that the heavy crowds won't arrive until after
Christmas Day.

Thanks for any information.

Larry Rodriguez
rodrigul@abacus.colorado.edu
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Locations for April Skiing??
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:19:07 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I will attending a conference from April 1-3 in Toronto. I would like
to go skiing for a few days after the meeting. Can anyone suggest locations
for reliable spring skiing at this time. I would prefer Canada, but the US is
alos a possibility. Many thanks.

- Ross

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From: thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher)
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:57:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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Just got back a little while ago from a great day in a snowstorm
at Mt Hood Meadows in Oregon. 100 inches of the white stuff, 28    
degrees, and 60 mph winds at the top.

At one point there is me heading one way, a boarder heading another
and we are both going to get to the same spot at about the same time.
Well, I am looking at him, waiting to get a read of where he is going
to go. He is busy looking at his board, at the really "cool dude" way
that the snow flies over his boot and who know what else. Now this 
picture could have happened between me and another skier, jogger,
motorcyclist, or jet pilot. The difference is...
When this guy finally looks up and sees what is going on, he decides
that it is his infinite best interest to swear at me.

Snowboarders Suck

And before you ask if I could have gotten out of the way first and
made sure that this thing never happened, I DID. He matched every
turn I did. I don't think he did it on purpose, just happened. What
really pissed me off was his attitude and his language. What a jerk.
From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Stevens Pass, WA / Telemarking?
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:54:24 GMT
Distribution: us

In article <1992Dec29.000822.7090@speedy.aero.org>, keenan@kanga.aero.org 
(Don Keenan) writes:

> My wife and I are going to spending a week xc-skiing in the
> Methow Valley after New Year's. We're considering stopping
> at Stevens Pass for a day of telemarking on the way from 
> Seattle (actually Edmonds) to the Methow. Can anyone give us
> some information on Stevens Pass. Good intermediate runs?
> Prices? Crowds (we'll be there Saturday, Jan. 2)? Alternatives?

I ski instructed at Steven's for three years, and have been a member at one 
of the private cabins for quite a long time.

I believe their weekend prices are $26-27.  They have no express chairs, and
on the weekends lines can be quite long (15-20 minutes, and sometimes up to
40 minutes).  The Tye Mill chair is usually less crouded, as is the 'new'
back-side chairs.  The best intermediate runs are probably Brooks Chair 
(farthest to the right as you're looking at the area from the base lodge)
and the red chair (I forgot its name, tho.  But it is right next to Brooks).

> Also, any recommended places to spend the night or eat on the
> east side around Wanatchee (or Cashmere/Levenworth).

Can't help you there, though.  Sorry.

-- 
-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
From: shimada@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Shirley Shimada)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:24:22 GMT
Subject: Ski Lease Members, North Tahoe
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:25:14 GMT

P.S. - "Christie" was named, I think, after Christiania, Norway
(the original name that is now Oslo), where the skidded turn was
invented...
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Killington Slot avail for 1/10-1/15
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:17:10 GMT


We have a slot left in our near-slope condo at Killington for the week of 1/10-1/15.
Price is $269 for the condo and a week's lift ticket, no transp.
Condo is in Mountain Green complex w/in walking distance to Snowshed base.
Full kitchen, fireplace, CATV.
Sleeps 4-8 people. We already have 3 
 
I'm leaving from the DC area bright 'n early on 1/10, so a lift might also be
possible.

Email if interested, I can give further details...
---Steve
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From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Re: White Face
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:43:16 GMT

In article <1hqermINN7fc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sls16@po.CWRU.Edu (Samuel L. Shank) writes:
>
>Has anyone been to White Face (the place that they had the olympics back in
>'84 or '80 in NY, Lake Placid NY)?

I have some wonderful memories of Whiteface.  I went to school 1 1/2 hours
north of it from 80 through 85.  While they have added some runs (they
needed to get the NY state constitution changed to do so), the mountain
has remained the same.  Whiteface is essentially a box canyon steep walls
and a shallow bottom.  While they have added some intermediate terrain
since my last visit, they are still lacking in the blue area.  Some
incredible steeps.  Off chair 6 (the top of the mountain) where they
ran the downhill course, there are some great head walls and the bumps
that go with them.  While they may not be as scary as Starr and Goat at
Stowe because Whiteface's runs are wider, the wideness gives you a choice
of a couple of different fall lines (including the double fall lines).
There is also some interesting terrain off the number two chair (the chair
where the slalom course was run but unfortunately they lacked snowmaking
when I was skiing there - we didn't see them open to much.  In fact, one
year they never opened the number 6 chair because the lack of snow.  They
have added a fair amount of snow making so that shouldn't be a problem.

BTW, two runs that you should look at:  1) Excelisior(sp?) from the top
of Little Whiteface (i.e. the top of the slalom chair which as I said before
I think is #2).  A blue run that is a great cruiser and wonderful turns.
2)  Up for a thigh burn?  Go to the top of #6 and ski a slightly modified
downhill course.  Start from the chair and take what ever trail down to the
bottom of #6 (~1400 vertical) and then take the furtherest left trail (as
you look down the mountain) and continue down to the base.  Oh BTW, did
I forget to mention that you are not supposed to stop, keep your speed up,
and continue making many turns.

A few days at Whiteface I came away knowing I had beaten the mountain
but mostly it was a draw.

A couple of side notes:  Dress warmly.  It is a cold mountain.  Get your
edges sharpen - it is also known as Iceface.  The Olympics were held there
in '80 not '84.  The Olympics in '32 (or was it '36?) did not have alpine
events so they were not held there.  And if there had been alpine events
that year, they would have had them at the old Whiteface (two or so miles
east of the current Whiteface) but on the same mountain.  Though Whiteface
has the most vertical of any place in the east, you have to access the
last 450' by a poma which I have never seen open.  Still a mountain
with a lot of vertical.

Enjoy it,

~Tom

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