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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Who the HELL is doing Pens color?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:42:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
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I beleive he's a Francophone because of his accent, and this is
CERTAINLY NOT Paul Steigerwald.  

1) WHat happened to PAul ?

2) Who the HELL is this guy?

Lange: Jagr shoots and scores.  Ohhh!!  How much fried chicken can you
eat?

Color man: I've got a big bucket.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
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From: fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman)
Subject: Re: John MacLean ??
Reply-To: fischman@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:54:38 GMT

In article 12629@philabs.philips.com, jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:
>In article <Dec20.005825.27687@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>>Devils fans: What is wrong with John MacLean?
>>
>>He plays every night but rarely scores?
>>1) Is his knee still a problem?
>>2) Is he trying to pull a John Cullen and be traded?
>>3) Was his previous success only due to the presence of
>>   Muller and Shanahan?
>
>His knee seems O.K., and I doubt he wants a trade THAT badly.  The main
>problem is that he is playing with Kevin Todd, who is in a big funk.
>They seem to be the third line, and therefore don't see too much
>power-play time.  I also think that, knowing MacLean, he is putting a
>ton of pressure on himself to do better, which can't help at all...
>
>-JPC
>
>-- 
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MAC hasn't been on a steady line with *anyone*.  Neither has anyone else on the Devs.
I think (IMHO) its a major problem with Brooks.  He juggles lines just about *every*
game.  Johnny Macs knee is fine - its his timing thats off.  He was offered a trip
to Utica to work on his timing in a low pressure environment, but he vetoed the
request. He's been complaining a little in the media about how there isn't *anyone*
on the team that he's played on a line with in the past.  He say's hes not making
excuses, but he is.  

I think the problem is in his head.  He's got a *ton* of pressure on himself to get
back to his 40+ goal style.  But knowing Lamoriello, he'll probably lose his job
if he scores less than 30.

---
	Gary J. Fischman
	NYNEX Science & Technology
	fischman@nynexst.com

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:32:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.224524.13715@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The NHL in the Olympics is not a good idea politically, economically,
>or in idealistic sports terms.

And how is this for an idea: move hockey to *Summer* Olympics.

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
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From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ontario Junior A Hockey Results
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:18:56 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

                  Leyden Division
                 
                   G  W  L  T   F    A    Pts
Peterborough      35 27  8  0  184  123    54
Sudbury           34 21 12  1  180  152    43 
Oshawa            34 20 12  2  158  143    42
Newmarket         36 18 13  5  183  171    41
Kingston          34 17 11  6  156  137    40 
Belleville        37  9 24  4  142  187    22
North Bay         34  8 23  2  130  165    20
Ottawa            35  7 23  5  123  181    19

                  Emms Division
Detroit           36 20 12  4  198  165    44
London            37 18 16  3  189  173    39
Sault Ste. Marie  33 17 13  3  163  142    37
Owen Sound        34 17 15  2  194  184    36
Niagara Falls     36 15 16  5  170  154    35
Kitchener         34 13 17  4  143  168    30
Guelph            33 13 18  2  156  185    28
Windsor           32 11 19  2  124  164    24

                  Wednesday's Results
                =======================
              Kingston 5 Ottawa 4
        Owen Sound 9 Sault Ste. Marie 6
             Sudbury 7 North Bay 2
     
                  Friday's Results
                ==================
                Kingston 6 Guelph 6 (OT)
            Niagara Falls 3 Kitchener 4 (OT)
                Detroit 1 London 5
             Owen Sound 5 Newmarket 1
              Windsor 2 North Bay 5
              Belleville 6 Ottawa 5 (OT)

                  Saturday's Games
                 ===================
                Ottawa at Kingston
              Newmarket at Belleville
            Kitchener at Niagara Falls
              Oshawa at Peterborough
                Windsor at Sudbury

                  Sunday's Games
                 ==================
                 Kingston at Ottawa
                 London at Detroit
              Peterborough at Newmarket
                 Sudbury at North Bay
                 Owen Sound at Oshawa
              Windsor at Sault Ste. Marie

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: edmonton oilers 
Keywords: trades     
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:18:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.214338.7838@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> oiler17@bcars698.bnr.ca (Dave Allen) writes:
>Can anyone give me any info on what the heck is going on in EDMONTON. Are 
>they trying to finish last and get Daigle or are they just waiting  to move
>the team out of Edmonton. It would be nice to see some of those players that
>want out traded. So the players that are left can gel as a team and get ready 
>for there yearly great playoff run.
>

The problem in Edmonton is simple...they aren't scoring enough goals.

There are several reasons for this...   

1) Tikkanen's horrid start.

2) Corson and Gilchrist have not contributed as much as expected
offensively...and have not replaced Damphousse's offense.

3) Joe Murphy wanting too much money...and since only a few teams
are willing to pay him anything close to what he wants, a trade
is slow in coming.

The Oilers are still in the middle of a transition, that got bigger and
set back when they decided not to bet the future on Murphy or Damphousse...
and that probably was the right, but temporarily painful decision. 

The patchwork rebuilding of the last few years will now become
wholesale...but there still is a good foundation to rebuild upon,
and they still should make the playoffs this year...and with
Ranford, a playoff upset or two is always possible.

There is still a lot of housecleaning to do...Murphy, Nicholls, and
Klima...but the new prime-time players are going to have to come
from the prospects...i.e. Vujtek, Wright, etc.

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: European cup, Duesseldorf, 27.12.
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:29:04 GMT

European cup finals in Duesseldorf, 27.12.


Group A:


Duesseldorfer EG - Jokerit Helsinki 0-3 (0-1, 0-1, 0-1 :-)

Dynamo Moskva - HC Rouen            5-0 (1-0, 4-0, 0-0)



Dynamo             2 2 0 0 11-0  4
Duesseldorf        2 1 0 1  8-5  2
Jokerit Helsinki   2 1 0 1  3-6  2
Rouen              2 0 0 2  2-13 0


Group B:

Unia Oswiecim - SC Bern         2-1 (0-0, 2-1, 0-0 !!!!!)

Lions Milano - Malmoe IF         2-3   -------------


Malmoe             2 2 0 0  8-2  4
Milano             2 1 0 1  6-6  2
Oswiecim           2 1 0 1  2-6  2
Bern               2 0 0 2  4-6  0



The last round will be played in Tuesday. The winners of the groups
play for the European championship and the teams that reached the second place
play for bronze.
 

- Tapani Hietaniemi


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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Minnesota-Detroit Summary
Summary: North Stars 3, Red Wings 3
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:47:29 GMT

Detroit                          1 1 1 0--3 
Minnesota                        1 1 1 0--3

        First period--1, Detroit, Konstantinov 2 (Ciccarelli, Probert),
0:28. 2, Minnesota, Elik 9 (Courtnall, Gagner), pp, 14:23.
Penalties--Gagner, Min, 2:28; Johnson, Min, 4:23; Probert, Det, 5:50;
Craig, Min, 8:41; Chiasson, Det, 12:28; Primeau, Det, major (fighting),
12:28; Churla, Min, major (fighting), 12:28; McCrimmon, Det, 14:40; Craig,
Min, 14:40; Sheppard, Det, 16:50; Matvichuk, Min, 16:50; Ludwig, Min,
16:50; Probert, Det, 19:28. 
        Second period--3, Detroit, Kennedy 8 (McCrimmon, Lidstrom), 3:45.
4, Minnesota, Gagner 9 (Craig), 15:56. Penalties--Dahlen, Min, 0:30;
McCrimmon, Det, misconduct, 10:11; Probert, Det, 10:11; Casey, (served by
Craig), Min, 10:11; McPhee, Min, misconduct, 10:11; Tinordi, Min, 10:43;
MIN Bench (served by Dahlen), 10:43; Primeau, Det, 14:51; Burr, Det,
14:51; Hatcher, Min, 14:51; Tinordi, Min, 14:51. 
        Third period--5, Detroit, Fedorov 15 (Sheppard, Carson), 9:55. 6,
Minnesota, Hatcher 3 (Dahlen, Tinordi), 13:47. Penalties--Howe, Det, 1:32;
Fedorov, Det, 6:16; Kennedy, Det, 10:00; Gavin, Min, 10:00; Probert, Det,
14:59; Tinordi, Min, 14:59. 
        Overtime--No scoring. Penalties--none. 
        Shots on goal--Detroit 11-8-9-3--31. Minnesota 9-11-14-0--34. 
        Power-play conversions--Detroit 7-0. Minnesota 5-1. 
        Goaltenders--Detroit, Cheveldae. Minnesota, Casey. A--13,929. 
        Referee--McCreary. 
--
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and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file
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From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:06:42 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: skatter.usask.ca

In article <BzF0pD.Jqy.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
> Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
> 
> Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
> Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
> 
> I like it.  It's probably not true, though.

Don't shoot the messenger right? So the ire in my post isn't directed at
you Lori, I just have to know what is with these stupid Yzerman trades?

Every one of the rumours I have seen so grossly under rates Yzerman's value
that I fall out of my chair with howls of derisive laughter. Yzerman alone is
worth more than Jagr,Stanton and Wregget(who the hell would want Wregget for
anything but taking tickets at the door? He'd probably drop them.).

To give some idea of Yzerman's worth, as a Habs fan I would consider a
trade of something like Schneider,Hill and Dionne or Brunet as the *least*
he's worth. Of course if they could get him for just Schneider I'd be
ecstatic and immediately fall out of my chair again.

There's only two conclusions I can have over these rumours 1) Murray
seriously has his head stuck up his butt 2) the mediots are just showing
off their nonhockey knowledge. I vote for #2, Murray can't be *that* stupid.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		              (The Bum rules!!!)
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:16:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.030433.7610@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>Establish regulars under 22 in the NHL...criterion 20 GP this
>season as of the third week of December...(5 GP for a goaltender)

I think this is overly stringent...  But I won't question it now.

>So there are between 35 and 40 players under 22 in the NHL playing
>on a regular basis...a little over 5% of the players...and their
>are only a handful of them that are a dominant or a significant
>contributor.  I would not doubt that some shrewd general
>managers would "lend" their 20 and 21 year olds to the Olympic
>program for player development as Pat Quinn did with a 21-year old
>Adrian Plavsic last year.  Many of the other young players in the minor
>leagues could be loaned to an Olympic program without much effect
>on the NHL team.

Good writing, Gerald, but the math is a bit off, I believe.  If there are
40 players comprising of, let's say, 8% of the "established regulars," then
there are 500 regulars in the league, which makes it 21 per team, one more
even than the number that can be dressed.

If you say there are 16 regulars for each team (15 skaters, 1 goalie, let's
say), then 40 (which comes out to a little over 10%) is not an insignificant
number.  Plus, I think your criterion is too stringent on the basis that many
of the youngsters currently playing in the league have just been called up
(to replace veterans who flopped/got hurt early in the season), and it's too
quick to say if they will become "established regulars" or not.  For example,
Ray Whitney was called up when Petri Skriko was released, and has yet to be
scratched for a single game.

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: College Hockey:  Miami (Ohio)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:04:15 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu

Does much discussion of college hockey occur here?
If so, I would enjoy hereing peoples opinions of Miami's team this year.
How good are they?  

Thanks.

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115	Merry Christmas Everyone!
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ontario Junior A Results
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:15:34 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

                  Leyden Division
                 
                   G  W  L  T   F    A    Pts
Peterborough      35 27  8  0  184  123    54
Sudbury           34 21 12  1  180  152    43 
Oshawa            34 20 12  2  158  143    42
Newmarket         36 18 13  5  183  171    41
Kingston          34 17 11  6  156  137    40 
Belleville        37  9 24  4  142  187    22
North Bay         34  8 23  2  130  165    20
Ottawa            35  7 23  5  123  181    19

                  Emms Division
Detroit           36 20 12  4  198  165    44
London            37 18 16  3  189  173    39
Sault Ste. Marie  33 17 13  3  163  142    37
Owen Sound        34 17 15  2  194  184    36
Niagara Falls     36 15 16  5  170  154    35
Kitchener         34 13 17  4  143  168    30
Guelph            33 13 18  2  156  185    28
Windsor           32 11 19  2  124  164    24

                  Wednesday's Results
                =======================
              Kingston 5 Ottawa 4
        Owen Sound 9 Sault Ste. Marie 6
             Sudbury 7 North Bay 2
     
                  Friday's Games
                ==================
                Kingston at Guelph
            Niagara Falls at Kitchener
                Detroit at London
             Owen Sound at Newmarket
              Windsor at North Bay
              Belleville at Ottawa

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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 12/30
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:53:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.191454.11882@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> So the FLYERS have a 5 minute major to play with. They get off to a slow start,
> but a little hard work pays off. Eklund and Brind'Amour doing all they can,
> and Benning (I thought it was Eklund, but the UPI box score says Benning)
> finally gets control behind the Kings net. He passes out to Rod who's
> standing just to the left side of the net, but he's tied up and can only
> send the puck weakly through the crease parallel to the goal line. The
> puck slides all the way past the lower arc of the right circle where Paslawski
> picks it up and sends it waist high from a near impossible angle past
> Stauber. It may have gone off a King defender, but his position would have
> made it an even tougher angle. 7-2 at 7:33
> 
> Benning picked up the puck after it was sent into the left offensive zone
> corner by Paslawski, still on the 5 minute major, and centered it to Fedyk
> who was crashing the net. The first shot hit Stauber's pads, but the second
> shot off the rebound went through the 5 hole for an 8-2 lead at 8:27. (you
> know, I thought that this was Eklund making the pass as well. I could easily
> confuse 9 and 19, and UPI says Benning so I'll assume they're right...)

As I suspected, these were reported incorrectly by UPI. They were Paslawski
from Brind'Amour and Eklund and Fedyk from Paslawski and Carkner.

I know, you can all sleep easier tonight...

pete clark jr.

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From: bse@controls.ccd.harris.com (Brian Eugley)
Subject: Hockey magazine?
Originator: bse@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:20:50 GMT


Does anyone know of a good magazine for hockey news?

Brian
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Senators Note
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.080427.28008@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>From the local paper:
>
>* Ottawa loves its Senators
>
>They may be in last place in the NHL, but fans are still interested in seeing
>more of the Ottawa Senators. The team says 97 percent of seasons tickets for
>next season have been reserved.
>
>That's all there was, but I know Scott is happy 8-). Just how many is 97%
>of the season tickets, Scott?

Well, the interesting thing is that 92% of the seats were renewed, and an
additional 500 seats were ordered by current season ticket holders bringing
it up to 97% (some of us are a teensy bit bitter that current subscribers
got first dibs on the tickets, but hey, what can you do?).

I find this remarkable for a few reasons:  the team is brutal (I hate to say
it, but it is pretty obvious), the current subscribers are being asked to buy
next season's tickets 10 months in advance, and there is a 5% increase in
ticket cost next year.

And yes Tom, I am happy on the one hand to see the team supported like this,
but on the other hand there's no chance I can get my seasons tickets until
the Palladium gets built midway through 1994-95 'cuz I'm in among the 6500 
fans on the waiting list, of which only about 300 will get a chance to grab 
tickets next year since 10 200 are now reserved (is that a run-on sentence,
or what?).

>Now to make Scott unhappy, here is what it said about Hartford before its
>game with TB:
>
>Whalers update: Hartford should be thankful that Ottawa joined the Adams
>Division this season. Of the Whalers' first nine victories, four of them
>were against the expansion Senators.
>
>Sorry Scott.
>Tom

Sigh...  Thanks for reminding me.  Really.  Thanks for ruining my holidays...


Going to find a blunt object to pummel myself with,
That Scott Guy
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: StL/Har @ Birmingham - What happened to it?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:00:48 GMT

This was on the schedule for 12/29 but subject to change. I haven't seen
any scoring reports and Headline News didn't even list the game. What happened
to it? Joe has logged in in a week and I don't think anyone has claimed to be
the Whalers contact.

Tom