From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Individual rights Re: Mr. Waffle King
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:05:40 GMT

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In article <LARRY.92Nov16072101@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
- - -Warning: Attributions may be mangled by now - - - 
]In article <1992Nov13.180742.25914@cs.wisc.edu> djansa@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:
]In article <LARRY.92Nov12142122@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu
](Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
]   >In article <1992Nov11.050621.16468@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com 
]   (John R. Moore) writes:
]   >   In article <QKSSB3P6@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu 
]       (Melanie Wertz) writes:
]   >   ]
]   >   ]Conservatives give you rights if you are
]   >   ]a) wealthy
]   >   ]b) Christian 
]   >   ]c) white
]   >   ]d) heterosexual
]   >   ]e) male
]   >
]   >   Sometimes the amount of repetitive idiocy by the left amazes me. Above
]   >   we have an example of someone who obviously has fallen for the most
]   >   vulgar characterizations and mouths them here as gospel. This idiot
]   >   probably also is using taxpayer funds to soak up a sorry excuse
]   >   for an education at some liberal arts school.
]   >
]   >   Sigh.
]   Yep, I agree.
]   >
]
]   >I wonder if this *idiot* were a good little Dittobrain, she might somehow be
]   >transformed into an intelligent and mature young person pursuing an
]   >education in order to become a productive member of society.
]   >
]   >And, by the way, John, from what grand position of intellectual
]   >superiority do you judge this person an idiot?  
]
]   And from what grand position of intellectual superiority do you judge 
]   Conservatives?
]
]Well, John, I haven't managed to call you an idiot yet.

Well, the funny thing is that you are replying to a message by someone
who is not named John. However, in the spirit of confusing our enemies,
I will answer for him as I'm the John you meant to respond to :-)

]My point was simply that you are calling a person an idiot for simply
]posting his/her opinion. Then you cast aspersion's on the person's
]education, implying that she is some sort of parasite to the system.

Yep. When someone puts out gratuitously insulting garbage about
a whole group of people, in a way that is absolutely stereotyped,
and shows no reasoning, I don't mind making a few aspersions myself.
After all, that person was implying that I (as one of the group:conservative)
only grant rights (as if one could grant rights) to someone who is:
a) wealthy b) Christian c) white d) heterosexual e) male. Anyone
who would make a statement like that is certainly acting idiotic, whether
or not she truly is an idiot.
]
]Since you felt so strongly, I was wondering what qualified you to make 
]such an assessment? How do you know that what you post has any veracity?
]Surely you must have some sort of superior educational background yourself
]to make such statements. So what is it?

Educational background is not the issue. I am referring to something far 
more important: the ability to think critically, something woefully lacking 
in many (but not all) liberals posting to this net.

]Its "OK" with me for you to slam anything you want. You just need to get
]off the personal attack approach and present some credible arguments
]against the "untrue claims" you found so infuriating. Otherwise you are
]just calling names.

Sometimes it is hardly worth the dreary reiteration one more time of
the obvious falseness of the claims. Sometimes a personal attack wakes
people up (hey, you crawled out from under a rock, didn't you?).
Sometime, like this time, a personal attack needs to be answered with
same. Someone making insulting claims about all conservatives is
making a personal attack on me (not to mention committing an obvious
logical fallacy).

I don't know about you, but I frankly have a limited amount of time to waste
educating the obviously hostile about basic politics and human nature.
Besides, the occasional let off of steam adds a bit of spice to these
repetition proceedings IMHO.
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