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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:48:03 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep14.201723.22615@njitgw.njit.edu> dkm3792@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Michaels) writes:
>Does anyone know if Sherizade (sp) is avaiable on CD at ANY price ANYWHERE?
>Thank you!
>-dave

I'm almost certain that it IS NOT, Although since Renaissance was far
more popular in Japan than they were in the UK or here in the states
(with the exception of the NY area) I would expect that sooner or later
you'll see a Japanese import disc of _Scheherezade_...

Sooner I hope !

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: white@mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Canterbury Discography
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:05:49 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: S.H.A.D.O.


	A few years ago, a bunch of people contributed to and produced
a Canterbury Discography which is filled with essential information.
Presently, I'm interested in updating the Discography and was wondering
a) If there's any interest, b) If so, does anyone have new editions or
corrections.

	The discography really needs to be updated for several reasons.
Many Canterbury musicians have become active again and are turning out
new works (e.g.  Daevid Allen, Tim Blake, Steve Hillage, Robert Wyatt,
Dave Stewart etc.).  Also, many more CD reissues are coming out, and
lots of quality bootleg recordings.  Finally, the original discography
lacked complete musician credits.

	Suggestions anyone?

Dave White
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From: pra@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Pedl Rau)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Galahad / Pendragon
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:06:18 GMT
Organization: AIFB, University of Karlsruhe (Germany)


In article <BuCE3D.5G@world.std.com>, kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:
> Speaking of british neo-progs, have you ever heard any Galahad.  I've
> heard good things about them, especially about _Nothing Is Written_.
> Opinions anyone?

"Nothing is written" is worth buying - it's a good cd and a promising start for
Galahad. If I had to compare them to other prog-bands, I'd say: Pendragon, Pallas.
But fortunately I don't have to ...

BTW: Pendragon aren't bad at all. The last album "The World" is wonderful and comes
close to "The Jewel". I've seen them live twice, and the last gig here in Karlsruhe
was one of the best concerts I've ever been to (no "Red Shoes", no "Saved by you",
but with "Excalibur" and many Jewel-songs).


*****************************************************************
*  Pedl Rau       pra@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de
*
*                "Home is where the heart lies,
*                 but if the heart lies where is home?"  (Fish)
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<sedHOBK00VpOQ0wEVE@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1992Sep3.122940.16284@cs.tulane.edu> <188v53INN335@smaug.West.Sun.COM>
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:00:12 GMT

In article <188v53INN335@smaug.West.Sun.COM> acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta) writes:

   JM, Tony Williams, and Jack Bruce (of Cream fame) - 
	     "Are you the one?"

The three of these guys played together briefly as Tony Williams
Lifetime after Cream broke up. I've heard tapes of them, though I think
they're pretty hard to find.  McLaughlin also played on several tracks
of Jack Bruce's great "Things We Like" LP (~1969).  A wonderful jazz
record.  Is it available on CD yet?

BTW, I think the first two Mahavishnu LPs ("Inner Mounting Flame,"
"Birds of Fire") are absolutely essential (if a bit dated now).

   --Dave.
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Xref: sparky alt.music.progressive:2267 rec.music.cd:6314 rec.music.misc:22763
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: New Renaissance CD Reissues
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:18:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Distribution: na
Organization: Spartacus Software

In article <1992Sep4.125219.19170@meaddata.com>, timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) writes:
> 
> In article <9c7y02Ub20wm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen) writes:
> |> 
> |> I don't think too many people missed
> |> the few minutes they cut out of "Rajah Khan" on Prologue either.
> 
> Hey, no fair!  That's my favorite track on the album, but I guess I've
> never heard the full version.  What's missing?

The entire intro, basically a freeform bass solo.

--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9758]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:43:30 GMT

>  McLaughlin also played on several tracks
>of Jack Bruce's great "Things We Like" LP (~1969).  A wonderful jazz
>record.  Is it available on CD yet?

Yeah, it's out on CD.  I've got it.


			Mike
From: cwoei@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Some Questions
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:49:57 GMT
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)

Hi! Netter :
   I have some questions. I will be very appreciated if any one can answer them
for me.
     1. The albums list of Pink Floyd. Point out the "Roger Waters's Times"
        specially.
     2. The albums list of the Police.
     3. The albums list of Sting.
     4. The albums list of Roger Waters.
     5. The albums list of R.E.M.
     6. The albums list of Midnight Oil.
     7. The total works of Eric Clapton.
        (Origional Soundtrack included)

If you know the answers, please tell me.

                                     Eric Chen  9/9/92
     
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski)
Subject: THE STONE ROSES
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:29:13 GMT
Reply-To: labuski@emavr01.rtp.dg.com (Frank Labuski)
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

I just read in SPIN magazine that the Stone Roses were finally going to
release a new album and possibly tour the USA.  Has anyone heard
anything else about this or have any other info?????   Thanks
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Illusion (was Re: New Renaissance CD Reissues)
Keywords: renaissance rajah khan edit
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:58:41 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <13271@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>|>I'm confused, I mean aren't both of these still available as a two-fer
>|>"In The Beginning" ? Where's "Turn of The Cards" and "Scheherezade" ?
>|>Where's the complete "Live at Carnegie Hall", Where's "Time Line" ?
>|>Where's the two Illusion albums (reformed original lineup) ?????
>
>Are these different than Renaissance (first album) and Illusion 
>(both available on Line) ?  I picked these up the other day in one of
>those 2CD's in a single width jewel box.  Interesting material, particularly
>the middle section of Mr. Pine (can we say Running Hard ??????).

The original Renaissance lineup (K.Relf/J.Relf/McCarty/Hawken/Cennamo)
started falling apart during the recording of "Illusion" (2nd album), in
fact some of the cuts feature a different lineup (i think "Mr.Pine" and
"Past Orbits of Dust") that included Mick Dunford from the later lineup.

This original Renaissance lineup reformed around 1976 (minus Keith Relf,
adding John Knightsbridge on guitars and Eddie McNeil (ex-Strange Days) on
Drums), naturally they couldn't call themselves Renaissance again, so
the band was called ILLUSION, from the title of the second Renaissance
album. They released two albums: The first was "Out ofthe Mist", released
in 77, on which the musical style was very close to those two original
Renaissance albums, maybe with less classical ripoffs (or at least better
disguised). A second album titled "Illusion" was released in 78, and
apparently didn't feature Knightsbridge, but the rest of the lineup was
still intact. I can't say much about this one, because I've never even
seen it, let alone heard it. Does anyone out there have this album ?

A couple years ago a CD was released titled "Enchanted Caress" which was
allegedly the demo for their third unreleased album from 1979. There is
very little information about the lineup on it, but McCarty and Jane Relf
are obviously there, Cennamo as well.One track features Tony Fernandez
and Chas Cronk (ex-Strawbs), another features Keith Relf on lead vocal,
something obviously left over from the Renaissance days.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.newage
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Oldfield/Pohjola confusion
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:18:00 GMT
Organization: Lollapalooza Phoenix Eastern Mosh Pit Smoke-Mask Crew

jepp@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Petersen) writes:

> In 1976 Pekka Pohjola made a record entitled "The mathematician's Air
> Display".  A couple of years later Mike Oldfield recorded an album
> entitled "The Consequences of Indecisions" ..and then Mike and Sally
> Oldfield collaborated on an album entitled Pekka Pohjola. 
>
> Could someone please elaborate on this, and perhaps explain why this
> record has been made three times over a time span of 6 years??? 

It hasn't been made (as in recorded) three times -- it's been released
three times (in the English-speaking world, at least) under different
names in an attempt (by the people who own the recording, presumably
Pojola and his record label) to fool Mike Oldfield fans into thinking it's
a Mike Oldfield album (which it isn't).  I got caught by it as _The
Consequences Of Indecisions_ and was so angry that I got rid of it almost
immediately.  I'd heard of the other Pojola variations but didn't know
they were all the same album!  If people send in details I'll add the info
to the discography. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Illusion (was Re: New Renaissance CD Reissues)
Keywords: renaissance rajah khan edit
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:31:17 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep6.184101.6195@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@alfred.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>I'm new to all this rennaisance stuff. I've picked up 6-7 Haslam
>era LPs, but I've avoided the first two albums the "other" Rennaisance
>did.
>
>Can someone contrast how the first band sounded compared to the second
>one? Would a Haslam nut like them?

The second lineup (Prologue thru Novella) had a more symphonic sound,
while the first band was more folk-rock-with a strong classical influence,
brought to the band by Hawken and Cennamo (Keys & Bass respectively).
Their music tended to be a little more experimental, as well, there's
this long 5 minute stretch at the end of "Bullet" that's just a bunch
of ethereal voices, sampled sounds, echoey noises, really beautiful.
"Innocence" is kind of a dreamy cut as well.

Haslam was probably a better vocalist, technically speaking, but I always
liked Jane Relf a little better, her voice seemed to fit the music better,
her voice has a softer edge, a little more ethereal, but nonetheless
unique, I could pick her out anywhere.Another thing to keep in mind is
that in Renaissance Mark I, Keith Relf and Jim McCarty sang as well.

Finally, I would recommend the First Album, but NOT "Illusion", at least
until you've had a chance to get comfortable with the first. The first
is a well thought out well balanced album, and stands strong as such.
"Illusion", on the other hand, sounds like what it is: an attempt to
patch together an album by a band coming apart at the seams.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: NOVA
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:31:08 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.213705.20927@uwm.edu> Bill Stapleton <wls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> writes:
|In article <14503@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.020358.15788@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
|> >Anyone have any info about Nova? Supposedly they're Brand Xish,
|> >featuring Percy Jones and Full Colons on a few releases.
|> 
|> I've only heard their first release.  It was pretty good.  Another similar
|> band was Marscape.
|
|Picking nits, I believe "Marscape" was the title, ostensibly by Lancaster and
|Lumley (Brand X), who also did a version of "Peter and the Wolf".  Lots of
|people played on these, I'd have to dig out my albums, as my memory is going.
|Phil Collins did some powerful drumming on Marscape, that I remember.

I believe that you're correct on this.  I always referred to it as the 
Marscape album but actually it is a Lancaster and Lumley album.  It came
out the same time as Nova.  

RE: the number of bands called Nova.  I also seem to recall a band
called "Novalis".  Yep, I just checked my prog.rock databases.  They
seem to have had four releases.  The one that I heard was pretty good. 

-- 
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| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: test
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:18:50 GMT


test
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc,rec.music.bluenote
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Embryo - discography and wanted list 
Keywords: Embryo
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:22:50 GMT

Anyone into the german jazz/ethnic/rock group Embryo? I've become quite a fan
over the years and am trying to track down copies or tapes of soem of their
lps. For those of you that don't know of the group, it's mostly centered 
around Christian Burchard, a drummer, percussion and vibes player. Burchard
played with Mal Waldron in the late 60's. He also I think played with
Peter Michael Hamel at some early point. Another Embryo player on many of 
their releases was Roman Bunka. Many other musicians came and went including
Charlie Mariano, Mal Waldron, Trilok Gurtu and a number of african and middle
eastern players. Embryo started out as a jazz rock group and gradually got
more into an ethno-jazz-fusion direction, and eventually it's become Christian
Burchard traveling aorund recording with musicians in africa and the middle
east. Their old lps are hard to find and their cds are also pretty elusive. 
I could use help locating sources for the cds or lps. 

I've got a discography listing below - I noted which releases I have on
cd, lp or tape. If you have or have access to any of the others please get
in touch. 

 
EMBRYO RELEASES:

 OPAL   (cd re-issue includes a long live bonus track.)
 1970       GERMANY   OHR                       OMM 56003
cd

 EMBRYO'S RACHE
 1971       GERMANY   LIBERTY                   UAS  29239


 FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOSTS
 1972       GERMANY   UNITED ARTISTS            UAS 29344-1
tape

 STEIG' AUS
 1973       GERMANY   BRAIN                     1023


 ROCK SESSION
 1973       GERMANY   BRAIN                     1036


 THIS IS EMBRYO  
 1974       GERMANY   BRAIN                     200152
lp

 WE KEEP ON
 1974       US        BASF                      BC 21865
tape

 EMBRYO
 BAD HEADS AND BAD CATS
 1975       GERMANY   APRIL                     0005
lp

 SURFIN'
 1975       US        BASF                      BC 22385

 CLASSIC GERMAN ROCK SCENE
 1975       GERMANY   UA                        UAS 29774
 
 EMBRYO LIVE
 1976       GERMANY   APRIL                     0003
lp

 APO-CALYPSO
 1977       GERMANY   APRIL                     0010
lp

 EMBRYO'S REISE (2)
 1979       GERMANY   SCHNEEBALL                0020


 LA BLAMA SPARROZI? (2)
 1981?      GERMANY   ??????? 
lp

 ZACK GLUCK
 1984       ITALY     MATERIALI SONORI          MASO 33026


 AFRICA
 1985       ITALY     MATERIALI SONORI          MASO 33036
some on tape 

 EMBRYO & YORUBA-DUN DUN ORCHESTER
 1985       GERMANY   SCHNEEBALL                1042 12
lp

 TURN/PEACE
 1989       GERMANY  SCHNEEBALL? 
cd


other stuff lacking full details:

ROMAN BUNKA
Ein Kopf ist Ein Schlafendes Auto
1980  solo lp,  self released?

Missus Beastly - supposedly some other band that members of Embryo played in 
this group.

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: PFM anybody ????
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:58:52 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Just picked up PFM Live in America and am now in much need of additional
PFM.  Where to start ??????  Which LP has Celebrate ????

As always, thanks in advance,
Bob


--
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
From: blindsay@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Maggie Reilly
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:20:59 GMT

Today I saw a new release by Maggie Reilly, who I
believe was the vocalist on a number of Mike Oldfield
tracks in the early 80's. Can anyone offer an opinion 
of this disk?                      

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The opinions expressed above are solely those of Brian Lindsay
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:51:29 EDT
From: <DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: 12th Night, Solstice Discogs wanted

Hello!
     I posted an article asking for discographies of several other bands,
but there were no responses about these bands.  I am very interested in
knowing more about Twelfth Night, Solstice, Chandelier and Fireballet.
If ANYONE has info regarding these bands' discographies, response would
be infinitely appreciated!!  Please e-mail me at dab112@psuvm.psu.edu.

You must guess by now that I'm very experimental with my taste in music
since I'm always after these discographies!! :-)

                                 Thank you once again,
                                     David A. Barro
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: NOVA
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:38:53 GMT

In article <fcwV02b=20aQ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:

>That was the second NOVA album titled "Viemana", it featured Robin Lumley
>and Narada Micheal Walden as well.
>They had four albums in all: BLINK, VIEMANA, WINGS OF LOVE, and SUN CITY.
>I Think "Blink" and "Sun City" are out on Disc, but I haven't seen the
>other two. Only the second album featured the Brand-X lineup.

Can you describe the music and a bit about the band's history
as well?

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_, by Brian Eno
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:07:49 GMT

pvallado@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid ) writes:

>Any review/recommendation of the above album would be appreciated

I'm still planning on another listen or two before posting a track by track 
review, but here's an overview. Overall it's a bit dark and pretty techno
beat oriented - Something like Another Green World meets My Life in The 
Bush of Ghosts in a car wreck. `

Brian Eno's Nerve Net
comes with a statement inside:

This record is:-
 
Like Paella
A self-contradictory mess
Off balance
Unlocked
Dissonant
Frenetic
Evanescent
Overheated
Godless
Clockless
Reckless
Squelchy
Unamerican
Technically naive
Far too vague
Derivative of everything
Post cool
Post root
Crunchy
Bluff
Post world
Post man
Too much
Not enough
Revisionist
Shamelessly exhibitionist
Untailored
Uncentered
Cleary the work of a mind in distress
Where-am-I music

 
Tunestack:
Fractal Zoom             6:24
Wire Shock               5:27
What Actually Happened?  4:41
Pierre in Mist           3:47
My Squelchy LIfe         4:02
Juju Space Jazz          4:26
The Roil, The Choke      5:00
Ali Click                4:13
Distributed Being        6:10
Web                      6:21
Web (Lascaux Mix)        9:44

  Appendix:
12. Decentre             3:26
                        ------
                        63:41

-+-
Overall I'm quite impressed - this is essentially Eno's first
solo release with vocals in many years, and it makes a lot of
references for me back to the sounds of Another Green World, but
also makes more modern references to his groundbreaking works on
My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts and also shows Eno's been keeping
an ear open to what's happening in the dance music scene - I
suspect he's been to his share of raves in the last couple of
years.
 
Fripp appears on about half of this release (on tracks 1, 6,
9, 10, 11), but in a much less prominent role than I had hoped.
One of the best tracks with Fripp from the shelved _My Squelchy
Life_, "I Fall Up", is sadly missed by me - I'm still wondering
what happened to all the good material that Eno dumped from My
Squelchy Life.

Partly it's not really true that this is a "vocal" Eno release,
in that there aren't really many "songs" on it. There's a fair
amount of words, an odd rap and some singing, but these aren't
really songs, and I find this curious because on the review copy
of My Squelchy Life which I heard there were a couple of songs
which never made it to this - MSL was in a way more retro, and it
appears that Brian took the last year to rethink his approach and
to target a more modern focus in Nerve Net than he had with MSL.
 
 - malcolm@wrs.com 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: borella@netcom.com (Mike Borella)
Subject: Re: PFM anybody ????
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 20:40:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <#2nn7!r.borella@netcom.com> borella@netcom.com (Mike Borella) writes:
>My personal faves are: Per Un Amico, L'Isola di Niente and Storia di 
>un Minuto.  Celebration is on the English version of Per Un Amico
>which is titled Photos of Ghosts.  The Italian version is so much 
>better.
>

I must clarify:  Per Un Amico does not contain *any* version of Celebration.
The Italian version appears on Storia... but Photos of Ghosts is Per Un 
Amico in English + Celebration.  Hope that makes more sense.

-Mike