HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Bower John R <jbower@venus.haverford.edu>
Subject: multi-night stands
Reply-To: jbower@venus.haverford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:25:34 GMT

Shelly writes:
My feeling is that most people I know who would go to see Phish once if they
were playing in their town, would go to see them twice or three times if
there were going to be that many shows...I know I would :-).


Yes, BUT...
Try to put the people you into perspective.  One *major* gripe about this tour
was the number of casual fans at the shows (talking about Jerry, etc.).  For
this large group of people, I don't think they would be inclined to see every
night of a stand.  I don't know for sure, but I don't think that the group you
refer to as "most people I know" includes this (now substantial) group of fans.
I know that I and my close friends would definitely pay for several nights at
a venue and sometimes think that this is typical of most Phish show patrons, but
the truth is that there is now a large casual fan base.  We, on the .net, are
not representative of average Phish concert atendees.  In conclusion, I don't
want this to be a flame of casual fans just checking out a new band.  Rather, I
welcome their presence.  I just want to say that IMHO, I think that multi-night
stands would help control overcrowding.

That's it for now,
jb

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: BD@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Language / ACDC bag actually is RAD!
Reply-To: BD@u.washington.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:06:07 GMT


The Language:

Hmmmph. Is the Language thing elitist?. No. Everyone I've talked to about
it thinks it's a great idea. But that's it, you see, telling everybody
about it. Explaining it. Telling them every single language piece you
know. (Which can sometimes be challenging:

"OK, so after you hear somebody go 'wreaak-wreaak-wreaak  wreaak-wreaak-
wreaak' then you wait and if they go do the Birds song, y'know, 'To
everything, turn, turn, turn', then everybody turns and cheers backwards!"

OK, so explaining all this makes you sound , well , odd.  But that's
the beauty of it! It's breaking new musical ground. If you clue everyone
in on it then it's not elitist. I can forsee a day when there's a shitload
of language back and forth between band & audience. I thought of a new
one last night- how 'bout the band does the first part of the 'BONANZA'
theme:

"dun-da-da-dun-da-da-dun-da-da-dun-daDUN-DUN!"
then the crowd runs around like they're on horses.....

Ok, that one's stupid as shit. I'll leave it to those goofy phish guys.

AC/DC BAG:

What a RAD tune! I always sort of schluffed it off, cuz of its simple,
repeating chorus, but why?! On Olympia '91, it jams demonically, and
what a killer ending! It crawls off the high end of some scale, like
the shorting-out synapses of a hanging man.... listen to this one
again.


"The man standing next to me...
His , uh, head was exploding
Whoah, I was a' prayin' the pieces
Wouldn't fall on me!"                    (Bob Dylan, actually, but phishy)
From: darkmage@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Dark Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: well...
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:36:21 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616


Maybe we should start making life miserable for people who ruin shows by 
doing stuff like puking on them.


Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Set the gearshift for the high gear of your soul
DM
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 15:00:38 EST
From: <IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Tape Grovel: 12-5 Chicago

Skal,




Forgive this post, I phucked up!
From: rafael@cats.ucsc.edu (David Erik Konerding)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Mike song jam and FAQs
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:30:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


jenkins@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Mike Jenkins) writes:


>	I was wondering if anyone else has noticed a similarity between
>the groovy, funky part at the end of Mike's Song and the groovy, funky part
>in the middle of Pink Floyd's Echoes -- or is it just me?  I also think
>there is a similarity between I am Hydrogen and the echoing keyboard solo of
>Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother.
>	Does anyone else have thought on Pink Floyd-Phish similarities?


	There are keyboard "ping" noises in the middle of some It's Ice
performances that sound very much (to me) like the pings in Echos.  I don't
know if they copped it, but it sure makes me think of Echoes when I hear
them perform Ice that way.  However, has anybody else noticed that Ice is
performed at least two distinct ways, deviating in the middle of the song?  I've heard
some tapes where Ice stays nice and jammy and Page takes a really nice keyboard
solo, and some tapes where (and I've seen it this way live) it sounds like
the band is emulating a "clock"- drums tick like second hands, rest of
instruments sounds sort of like "clock noises"?  8/17/92 is an example of the
second style, 4/18/92 an example of the first.  I noticed that at the 8/17/92
show Trey and Mike were wandering around on stage in a circle- sort of clock
like, during Ice.  Whatever...

>jenkins@helios.phy.ohiou.edu
-- 
---
David Konerding						   rafael@cats.ucsc.edu
University of California, Santa Cruz
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "T. Andrew Hooper" <andyhoop@ocf.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re:  Phish Digest #679
Reply-To: andyhoop@ocf.berkeley.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:10:51 GMT

Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list for the time being
(small machines, long break).

Thanks.
See you all New Years (?)

Andy

andyhoop@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Josh Orfanakis <G_ORFANAKIS@ccnode.colorado.edu>
Subject: Newsletter???
Reply-To: G_ORFANAKIS@ccnode.colorado.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:50:44 GMT

Does anyone out there know when the next newsletter will be put out???
Thanks, and stay in touch.....
G_ORFANAKIS@CC.COLORADO.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Mike Formica <IQM334@uriacc.uri.edu>
Subject: For Allison Newman
Reply-To: IQM334@uriacc.uri.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:37 GMT

Allison, and everyone else,
  I want to say again, how horrible I feel(you probably dont belive me,
but my consiounce(correct spelling?) keeps telling me  to write this
anyway), and that I dont hate the Spin Doctors, but rather I dislike the
"pretty people" who have begun to listen to them. I tried to E-mail
Allison directly, but my machine keeps sending the mail back to me. I
dont know why? Maybe the machine thinks I am a schmuck as well.
I do feel that i owe all of you an apology, and especially Chris Barron, Trey
and therest of the members of the Two Bands.
   Going to school, were I am, I see alot of "pretty People" fraternity and
sorority types getting violently drunk listening to the Spin Doctors. (it happe
ned last night as well) These are the same people that Chris Baron sang Big Fat
 Funky Booty to at the GSA Horde Show. After they get drunk, many, but not all
go out looking for fights with "longhairs". At the Boston Garden show, both
me and my girlfriend left early because of the large numbers of these people in
 attendance. We both felt they were horrible. I would like to once again
 publicly apologize for any trouble I caused, and say that I feel like a bigger
 jerk than you probably think I am.(seriously!) PLease pass my apologies on,
were they are in order.
                                        Peace, Love, Happiness
                                        Mike Formica




ps- There is a great article on the Spin Doctors in musician magazine. I just
read it about an hour ago, and it made me feel even worse than I had been
feeling.
ppss- for anyone in the Boston/Rhode Island area on NYE without tickets.
There is a Dead band called loose change playing in Smithfield RI, that
I was told was great. I have never seen them, but it might be worth checking
out if you don't have Phish tickets.
    Once again, please accept my apologies
From: mechler@cs.ubc.ca (Roland Mechler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Spin Doctors, Mike Formica, and other related nib-nobs
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:20:22 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

I think there's nothing wrong with criticism, and certainly everyone
has the right to think, say or or post whatever they want (similarly,
everyone else has the right to criticize what they've posted). Personally
though, I think posting an article that says you hate some band and not
give any clear reason is lame. (This was the impression I got from the
original Spins flame). Also, does Phish hate the Spin Doctors?

    1. I doubt it.
    2. Who cares? 

Okay, now let's make the content a little Phishier. I've been getting into
Phish for a while now. Started with PON. Loved it. Gave Lawn Boy a test
spin in the record store. Seemed a bit mellow compared to PON, so I
figured I'd get back to it later. I got Junta recently, and it's great.
A few days ago I got my phirst tapes (thanks again john) and I'm glad
glad glad! So now I finally dug into my pocket for some cash and 
grabbed Lawn Boy, AND IT RULES!!!!!

So, to tie this all together, I've read some posts here in the past from
people who didn't like Lawn Boy, or at least rated it below other Phish.
Is this some kind of inside joke? Is it for real? Have these peoples'
brain cells been melted by the sheer blisteringness of Antelope so that
now they're dumb :-) ?

Seriously though, I personally don't relate to the concept of rating one 
Phish over another. They're all swimming around in the same bathtub,
but with a Phishiness all their own.

-Roland

p.s. I think the new Spin Doctors live disc sizzles, even if it does
     have some of the same stuff that was on the old one.

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Nicole.Feder@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Michigan Theatre
Reply-To: Nicole.Feder@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:46:57 GMT

Hi to all phellow Phish listeners-
Before I give a brief review, let me just say that I am new to the net and
am so excited to say hi to everone and also let all of you readers hear what
an amazing show it was last night.  This was also my first headlining Phish
show :-) :-)
They opened with Runaway Jim and then played Its Ice.  After that I get lost
with the order but there was Lizards, Sparkle, Chalk Dust Torture and Stash. 
They ended the set with David Bowie.  The second set was Dinner & A Movie,
Bouncin', Esther, Hall is Solace, Hydrogen and closed with Possum.  The 
encore was Contact and Good Times Bad Times.  Obviously there is a lot that I
am missing, and if any of it is wrong please correct it... For my first full
show I was amazed.  I thought that they sounded great.  In the second set they
did some jam with three big beach balls that was really cool.  There was a 
balcony and a main floor and the people on the main floor kept on trying to
get the balls up to the balcony...is this making any sense??  Anyway it was 
a great night and I can't wait till NYE!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
.....Nicole
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: grovels, tickets, tapes, etc...
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222638.2204@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com writes:
>My opinions on the grovel issue:
>
>TICKET GROVELS annoy people.  Shameful, repeated, please-please-please,
>grovels REALLY annoy me, and probably most of the net as well.  Creative,
>well-written grovels like the Jesus grovel are, at a minimum, interesting
>reading (hence my dubious maneuver).

  I prefer a short one-liner with a descriptive subject, preferably one that
  includes the kill-file friendly upper case GROVEL.

>
>TAPE GROVELS are more annoying than ticket grovels, IMO.  Trees usually get
>run at some point.  Most folks on the net do NOT have any tapes to give you.
>The ones who do post reverse-grovels and tress.  Posting tape grovels is a
>waste of time.  If they're out there, you'll get your chance to sign up on a
>tree.

   This statement is largely false. Sorry but tape grovels *do* work.
   I've got the tapes to prove it. Most people on the net with tapes are
   in my experience incredibly nice people, and when I posted asking
   for help in starting a collection, I got lots of responses. 
>
>Suggestions to grovellers:  use personal e-mail first to people you know.
>Use any and all other (non-public) means of trying to get tickets or tapes.
>If everything else fails, try the public networks -- but be forewarned, if
>you get a reputation for grovelling it's quite probable that the people you
>piss off will not give sell you their extra tickets or trade you tapes.
>
   Sounds like good advice. 

>Have a clue, leave a clue.  Need a clue, get a clue!

 Clue left, see above...

 Another jeff. 

-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: sesh@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Christophe Schlesinger)
Subject: Re: FFFFLLLLLAAAAMMMMMEEEE!!!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:53:27 GMT

In article <57639@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.195743.16993@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sesh@leland.stanford.edu writes:
>>Favorite: "Let me stand next to your fire" (where did they get
>>	    that WILD imagery.  So creative!)
>
>	I assume that you know it's originally from Jimi Hendrix in the
>196O's

Who's he?  I get it if you mean the "Jimi (sic?)" in Squirming Coil, but I 
don't think Phish were around in the 1960s.
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Cavern and Jimi
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:13:29 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1992Dec15.153750.18286@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> press@v1.wustl.edu writes:
>I don't believe Phish ever did mock Jimi. Yes, they joked at Portchester about
>its being his birthday (I was at this show), but I didn't take this as their
>making fun of him. In fact, they closed the show with a very moving Bold As
>Love. They used to play this song in 1988, and they've been playing Fire for
>even longer. Neither of these songs were ever played with anything but passion
>and love.

But they sure mock the Allman Brothers on whipping post!!!! (Not bad-natured
at all but QUITE a bit different than the originial, at least the versions
I have heard, i.e. Telluride '91).  Fishman in rare form :-) Well not that
rare.. but in full form.  

-- Jamie
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Peter Stuart Mudd <psmudd@lime.wustl.edu>
Subject: take me off the mailing list
Reply-To: psmudd@lime.wustl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:53:47 GMT


Thank you very much for putting me on the mailing list before but I don't have the time 
the time to read them any more so I would appretiate it if you could take me off of the list for now..f
of the list for now.  I can always get them from my friend if I need to anyway.

					Thanks,

						pete mudd
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: Digestifier
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:41:44 GMT

In article <1gbtg8INNplu@agate.berkeley.edu> shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson) writes:
>
>My personal opinion on this is that, from the number of posts complaining
>about ticket and tape grovels, it has become clear that due to the volume
>involved it is no longer considerate to post such articles to the net.

  This is a *tough* question. I mean, if there was an individual who
  only ever used the net for personal gain in the sense of
  using it to get tickets or tapes and never giving anything 
  back, I'm inclined to think that the net as a body would not
  be very receptive to said individual's requests. And I know
  that it's tiresome for digest readers to breeze over grovels, etc.
  On the other hand, is there any other forum that is appropriate
  for trying to find a certain tape/ticket etc? The net is a 
  very powerful resource, and it is to a large degree the sum
  of our good experiences with it that perpetuates it. 

  I got my first ticket to a pHish show by groveling on the net.

  MHO on the issue is that I'd rather live with the grovels 
  and dispense with the chatter on other bands. I know not
  everyone feels this way, and I respect their opinions. 

  Is it impractical to split a newsgroup? What would be involved
  in forming rec.music.phish.tickets and rec.music.phish.tapes, 
  forums explicitly for the exchange of tickets and tapes? If
  it's possible, then those groups might be eliminated from 
  the digest, leaving a forum where people can exchange tapes and
  tickets, and eliminating that traffic from the main net and hence
  the digest, which is where it is really causing the problem.
  UseNet readers can eliminate much of the grovels with an appropriate
  kill file. 
   
   Just my ideas and opinions, I respect those who disagree... 
   Jeff.

-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Scott M Sandler <71271.3721@compuserve.com>
Subject: Toronto! WoW!
Reply-To: 71271.3721@compuserve.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:02:36 GMT


Okay, that was my first show, and I was seriously blown away!

I've listened to lots of Phish on tape, and have a very good sense
of the music, so nothing in the music department completely blew my 
mind...But what got to me was 1) all the crazy stuff they do on stage
(eg.  I couldn't beleive the trampolines, nor the vaccuum cleaner.)  
and 2) the amount of energy they gave off.  Overall it was the best
thing I've ever seen on a stage, hands down!  Every minute it got better,
but highlights for me were a smokin' Tweezer, the jam just seemed to go 
on forever, and they would keep mellowing it out, and then Trey would get
this insane look on his face, and they'd explode again....another highlight
was the Golgi Apperatus closer! WoW!

  Does anyone know the song they played before Tweezer reprise?
  And is it theirs or a cover?

  Also if anyone taped it, it was my first, I'll trade anything
  leave me a message at >Internet:71271.3721@compuserve.com

Scott M Sandler "Once again, I'm bouncin round the room..."




Distribution:
  >internet:phish@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: PIMBRES1%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Axilla/Gamehenge
Reply-To: PIMBRES1%ITHACA.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:43:30 GMT

Hey all,
   Just to clear things up a bit:
I was the one who asked if Axilla tied in with Gamehenge and then I got the
lyrics from Tom Marshall and I don't think the two are related. Hearing the
song about five times this tour I thought it sounded like a Gamehengeish tune.
I suppose I was wrong and I didn't mean to mislead anyone. :(
  Peace Love and Chalkdust!!
      Peeta
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IMPEACH THE EVIL KING WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: phisher@aol.com
Subject: Fast Enough For You
Reply-To: phisher@aol.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:19:33 GMT

Hello everyone!
I would like to start off by thanking whoever posted the words to Fast Enough
For You.  I appreciate it.
I also want to respond to some people on the net complaining that it is a
"teeny bopper" song.  I don't agree with that.  I'm not a teeny bopper ( at
least I don't think I am ), yet I think the song is great.
It almost makes me wish my girl friend wanted to get married so I could play
this song for her and say, "I'd be happy just to watch you age..."       :-)

Also, I'm looking for Cornell-11/22/92, Stony Brook- 11/21/92, and the
Metropol-11/30/92.
I'VE GOT ALBANY AND I SHOULD BE GETTING THE SECOND NIGHT OF CAP THEATRE(AS
WELL AS OTHER GREAT TAPES FROM PAST TOURS).  I REALLY WANT TO DO SOME
TRADING, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, E-MAIL ME.

Stay cool, and keep on Phishin'!

-Zach
From: ljs@cs.brown.edu (Lee J. Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: New Haven Gathering
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:49:00 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab7b.cs.brown.edu

I'm only going to the Monday show, but I'd like to suggest a place for
a net.gathering.  The one at Port Chester didn't do very well (more people
ended up meeting inside the show than at the net gathering, from what I hear)
but I'll just post this and if someone has a better idea, feel free to post it!

From what I remember, there is a '50's style pop-shop right on the corner by the
Palace Theater.  If you're standing in front of the Palace, with your back to the
theater, it should be to your right, about 1 block away, on the other side of the
street.  I don't think they serve alchohol, but it's a clean, well lighted place,
and they have great milkshakes.  

Also, I remember the Yale campus being right around the corner from the Palace;
if there's someone out there from yale, could you post more specific directions
about this net.gethering place?

See you all there!

-- 
Lee Silverman
Pandion@Brown.Edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 12:18:18 EST
From: <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: East coast DAT taper seeks midwest Taper

I am looking for a taper to trade all of the post Pittsburgh (11-30) Phish
shows.  I recorded all of the pre 11-30 dates on DAT w/mostly NAK shots.  I
want to correspond with tapers with DAT masters only.  I simply cannot do
ANY other trades--so the rest will have to use the "trickle down" theory.
Respond via e-mail
Ed B
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SCF8747@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: for all you pissed off tapers out there who just LOVE to get requests
Reply-To: SCF8747@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:47:34 GMT

for concerts etc. I am looking for anyone who has any recording of the 
Columbus show 12/2/92 at  the Newport Music Hall and/or the recient 
Michigan Theater show in Ann Arbor...



Unfortunately my collection does not warrant trading (I don't want to 
disappoint the person who takes me up on this offer as much as my 
collection would :D ) I would happy to pay cash supply tapes postage 
anything you need.

thanks much
Zonk
SCF8747@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: HODOVANCE DEREK <hodovanc@pandora.colorado.edu>
Subject: dialing 1411
Reply-To: hodovanc@pandora.colorado.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:00:54 GMT

 
This message concerns people in Colorado only...

I need help locating a guy by the name of Tyger...  He taped that John
Popper "unplugged" show at the Fox in Boulder in late spring last time
Blues Traveler rolled through town...  Naturally, I wanted a copy of this
tape, so he gave me his phone number on a napkin...  Unfortunatly, I
lost the napkin and his number with it!!!  Does anyone out there know of
a guy named Tyger who lives around the Denver/Boulder/Fort Collins area?

Derek

OPC:  Favorite Lyric:  
		Getting it clearly through alternate paths
     
      Favorite thing said in a show:
		So I saddled up the horses and headed on down
		to the hoe-down!
		(Song: Cavern, Place: Gunnison, Co, When: Spring '92)
From: Global Rivers Env Educ Network <greenxcultrl@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:16 PST
Subject: Re: Michigan Theatre, 12-11-92
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec12.221848.21453@uvaarpa.v:-2073488400:cdp:1628700028:000:232
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!greenxcultrl    Dec 13 13:16:00 1992


 I forgot a song, just as I thought I might, from the second set
of the Michigan Theater show. They played Squirming Coil either
before or after Axclla, I think. Well, I know they played it, but
I am not as sure about where. -Brian