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From: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Reply-To: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:10:12 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

> '(Paul Prescod) writes:
> '>We'll have OS/2 games when AGA games become plentiful.  OS/2 is brand
> '>new so it doesn't have many yet, but it won't be long before there are
> '>hundreds of OS/2 games.
> 
> 	While I would love to see native OS2 games, I think it will be a long
>    time before we see any.  Discounting public domain games, look at how few
>    Windows games there are, and Win3.x has sold 15+ million copies.  OS2 will
>    be around 2 million at yearend, thats just not enough market for game
>    software companies.  Christ, they are bailing out of the Amiga market and
>    thats around 3-4 million machines.   
>         360 gives me some hope though, in there update to Harpoon v1.32 they
>    have a whole section devoted to running it under OS2.  Hopefully they migh
>    create an OS2 version of Harpoon II someday.  I doubt it, but you can alwa
>    dream.  How many other game companies have devoted an entire section of a
>    manual to OS2?  
> 
> 							Greg Greene
>                                                         ggg@kepler.unh.edu

Um, slight correction. Windoze has an installed base around 12 million, 
but not everyone uses it. It comes pre-installed on systems going out the 
door. That doesn't mean people want to use it.

Second, there is a program called Mirrors that takes Windows apps (while 
still in development stages, of course) and converts them to OS/2. 
Therefore, concurrent development is possible, and will probably increase 
in the future. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:45:38 GMT
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Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
:
: No, a "computer" is something with RAM, secondary storage, a user interface,
: and an operating system. Since most PCs are shipped with DOS, they don't
: qualify.
:

Come on, Peter -- that's a bit cynical.  I can show you several OS books
which consider DOS an OS.

:
: As for the RAM requirements, my A1000 with a 7 MHz 68000 and 512K is a
: hell of a lot more useful than a PC with 2M: To run OS/2, you need at
: least 4M; NT will require 6M. AmigaOS runs useful applications in 512K.
:

My Atari 800 ran useful applications in 16K.  Not exactly a miracle of
modern technology.

:
: The Amiga 500/600 can hold up to 10M of RAM directly addressible from
: any well-behaved program written since the Amiga came out. To use more
: than 640K on a PC you need to install an operating system, use it as
: a RAM-DISK, or use it as swap space. And buy new software, of course.
:

This is completely bogus, Peter, and I suspect that you yourself know better.
What I don't understand is why you'd want to spread these lies.  Windows,
all Windows applications, and many other programs (like Borland C++) use more
than 640K, and not as a RAM-Disk or swap space.  Heck, even Ultima Underwold
requires 2MB.  And I'm not even talking about UNIX or OS/2, both of which
utilize a flat 32-bit memory model.

:
: Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
:
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:11:38 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.055037.29390@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> boot off a floppy?  Uh huh.  Then what do the vast majority of 
> Amigans do?  *Right*.  They swap disks.

    After booting from a floppy, most Amigans just get on with playing
    the game!

    So your "*Right*" is fallacious and your "swap disks" is a waste
    of space.

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
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From: rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am FORCED to by a laptop!  HEELP ME!
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:21:04 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood

In article <jbickers.0m0k@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Dec22.152946.62226@cc.usu.edu> by slhmz@cc.usu.edu:
>
>> What is out there on the IBM side that is simular to the Amiga?
>
>    It STILL doesn't belong in this newsgroup. Take it to a PC
>    newsgroup.
>
>> Travis Carter
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Ahhh but this isn't really a news group, its an advocacy group. Its
a place where we get together to yell about which is better. So unless
you talk about comparing other computers to the Amgia, this group serves
little to no purpose, eh?

Anyways, now for my .026785438 cents worth....

Ok, I own a 486 dx with 16 megs of ram..etc..etc.. So I'm not hurting for
computer power.
However, I have been tempted to buy an amiga for about 4 years now. Never have,       
but have been tempted none-the-less. With the advent of the new Amigas, I've
been sitting around waiting for someone who wants to dump their old amiga.
Is this likely to happen soon? The only way I can justify it to anyone is that
if its dirt cheap. (my who family owns IBMs, so it would be heirsasy to even
look at anything else...

Rob Merritt
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:49:26 EST
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset

In article <n1282t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org says:
>
>And  how  many  systems use MicroChannel?  Almost none.  The clone industry
>thumbed  their  noses  at  IBM when they tried to make MicroChannel the new
>standard.   So  they  created EISA.  ISA by FAR is the standard for old and
>NEW  PC's.   EISA  is second, MicroChannel last.  If MicroChannel was/is so
>great, why didnt the clone companies use it?

... because IBM didn't publish the actual implementation (as in the case
of the PC hardware design) this time.  All IBM tell people is what the
specs for the bus are (so that there can be cards for it), but do not
give out the full specs so that the clones can make their own micro-
channel chip set.  There were a few companies that came up with their
chip set.  The other reason is that the MC is not backward compatible
(so it doesn't have to live with some of the flaws of the ISA), the
clones aren't happy with that as they thrive on the low cost expansion
card.

>I  don't care how generalized MicroChannel is.  Zorro III is still at least
>as good if not better.

Agree!!  I was (and still am) impressed.  I like the true async nature of
the design and the backward compatible feature (on a per cycle basis
without dragging down a clean design.)

>> versions?  The company that developed GigaMem could go out of business
>> tomorrow, or Commodore could change something at any time to make GigaMem
>> no longer work.  A real Amiga virtual memory solution has to be supported
>> by Commodore.

Hey.... C= might go out and include that in the 3.X or 4.X software. :)
It is not they haven't down that before. (eg. CrossDOS, AREXX - great
pieces of software).

>The  LCD  Amiga  has 4 channel 8-bit sound.  Not great, but not bad either;
      ^^^  Sorry the term LCD is overloaded.  LCD can also mean Liquid
Crystal Display.  This is pretty confusing when you are talking about
computer stuff.

>> these features, but existing MS-DOS virii cannot harm an OS/2 machine.

So are existing MS-DOS virii on Amiga DOS.  :) :) :)

>Well   DUH.    MS-DOS   programs   are   "emulated"  in  an  "encapsulated"
>envirionment,  and  are  totaly separated from one another.  OF course they
>can't harm one another.  It would be fairly easy to do this on the Amiga as

That is a limited class of viruses.  What about ones that destroy the
HD ?  :) :)

> -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 18:52:13 GMT
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Charles C. Bundy (ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
:
: [Unix Worm]
:
: Yes, and it isn't BS.  You underestimate the intelligence of yer average
: undergrad.
:

Then why doesn't it happen more often?  Compare, for example, the PC/Mac
scene, where the anti-virus programs have to be updated with new data every
couple of weeks?

:
: What academic institution do you know of that doesn't have Sun's scattered
: across the place.  Locking up computing resources at a university is an
: oxymoronic.  Most of the industrial places I've worked at required escort
: at the door, but their systems weren't locked up!  As a matter of fact
: Boeing is pretty much an open shop, tho Cray research had to lock down
: their dial in access in 1990, because of some hacker geek... Twas a damn
: pain for those of us trying to do research/work remotely.
:

You've got a good point.  I went to BU, where there was little more than
VT220's hooked up to a couple of VAX/BSD machines, and IBM terminals connected
to some sort of VM mainframe.

:
: [Code example]
:
: It uses dynamic referencing implicitly.
:

Obviously, but it uses no pointers or dynamic allocation, and could have been
written by a second-week CS student.

:
: No twit, I was implying that you didn't know what you were talking about
: concerning Unix viruses...
:

I do not, but it's certainly easier to create one on a DOS/MacOS/AmigaOS
machine than it is under Unix.

:
: Charles C. Bundy IV
:
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Some Amiga questions!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:44:55 GMT

I found where to change the point... I made something a lot better...
but now when I click on the desktop, or something, it changes into
the number '1016' with a red band on the top and bottom if it...
and THAT acts as the '
pointer!

What gives?

Also, the way it recognizes when there is a floppy in the drive is neat, just
like the Mac.

Hey, I figured out the 'screens' trick!  Granted, I'd rather just iconize    
something, perhaps...  hey, how DO I iconize something?!  Anyway,
I 'dragged' the Dpain II screen down and saw the workbench!

Also, did you guys know that if you fold down the feet on the keyboard it
can fit snugly *under* the Amiga 1000?   Nice to get it out ofthe way sometimes.
I cannot imagine why C= would make the A500..well, AT ALL with the nice 
looks and detached keyboard ofthe Amiga1000.  The A1000 looks a lot
'better' than the A500, IMO.

What's this 'F -> E' scrollbar thing on the left of my windows?  What is it?

Hmm... ohm regarding the usefulness of screens, since windows do not
seem to move off the screen edge, you sorta need them.  In my OS/2,
for example, I can drag down a full screen app by the title bar.  Drag it down,
to the side, any where, and it is still 'full screen'.  Now, it can't
be some weird resolution or color difference like on the Amiga, but real close
and better in some respects.  And the 640X400-type mode (
640X480) on my my PC doesn't flicker so bad.  Wow!

Well, lemme go try to find Lemmings in this box..... 8)
-Dan
.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32265 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19138
From: dmiller@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (David L. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:09:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec28.060959.13973
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities

In article <1992Dec28.004411.11737@serval.net.wsu.edu>, boutwell@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Scott Boutwell) writes:
|> In article <1hjpouINN43b@gap.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
|> >tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
|> >
|> >	As for going to my closest dealer and having them 
|> >open it for me, mine is 25 miles away, how about yours?
|> 
|> Service center to repair your system.  Commodore needs to work out
|> something with the Affiliate Dealers for cheaper training of people to
|> become authorized to work on these things.  If someone has a better idea I
|> would like to hear it.  This is the only thing that I can think of that
|> will solve this problem.
|> 
I see two things that need to happen to resolve this:

	1. Ease the restrictions on "popping the top."  I don't mind if there
	is some sort of disclaimer if I do something foolish while I have the
	top off, but atleast give me the right to do it.

	2. Solve the problem of the nearest service center being 100-200 miles
	away.  Given the small volume, it is not feasible to have a complete
	service center in every city.  But, it would be quite feasible to make
	arrangements with one of the national service organizations.

Service costs money, but you more than make up for it in sales and customer
loyalty.  

|> Scott Boutwell
|> 
|> ---SAB
|> 

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From: jerry@truevision.com (Jerry Thompson)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:50:39 GMT
Organization: Truevision Inc., Indianapolis, IN

>In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac,

Oops, you meant to say "Xerox XPARC" instead of "Mac", but we 
all knew that anyway.

-Jerry Thompson

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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
Subject: UChess205.lha Uploaded to anon ftp sites
Date: 27 Dec 92 09:04:08 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


I uploaded UChess205.lha to valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory
/pub/chess/uploads/Amiga
and in hubcap.clemson.edu in
/pub/amiga/incoming/games
and in amiga.physik.unizh.ch

It is identical to 2.04, but redoes the time control routine for
less errors when a forced timeout in the middle of a ply occurs,
that is, if the computers time is up, and it has not yet finished
a ply, it was prone to making erratic moves in version 2.04 and earlier,
version 2.05 should be less prone to erratic moves.

-Roger
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 15:03:02 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec27.201849.28679@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

>: > :     What worthwhile PC OS has programs with consistent user
>: > :     interfaces?
>:
>: > Windows and OS/2.
>:
>:     Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS,
>:
>
>Why, because *you* don't consider it such?  Fortunately, there are millions
>of people out there who don't consider you the ultimate authority in OS's.
>
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So what. There are millions of people who buy crap from the Home
Shopping Club, millions of people who line up to buy Madonna ablums,
millions of people who think "Home Alone" is moving making at its
finest, millions of people who think Rosanne Arnold is a gifted and
talented national treasure, millions of people who cram McDonalds
food into their faces, millions of people who think Phil Donahue 
has important things to say, and etc. 

Just cuz something sells in the millions doesn't say one iota about
that something's quality or usefulness or value. All it says is that
someone's getting rich.  Please, keep your Windows and enjoy it to
the hilt, but don't try to convince me that it's in any conceivable
way a better operating system than the Amiga OS. I've used both and
IMHO there's no comparison. 

Harv
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:24:39 GMT

In <C05vFC.IIv@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>Jesus... so I guess that programming languages, text editors,
>>AmigaTeX, Real 3D and others are not productivity software. Oh Jesus,
>>then I guess they're games.

>drawing programs, etc.  My definition of "productivity" software includes
>software that allows a computer to be used as a tool for the composition of
>documents, reports, presentations, and other forms of media.  Basically, 
>productivity software is software that allows you to actually create 
>something substantial, something that actually exists.

Marc, read again what he uses as examples. It included "text editors",
AmigaTeX and Real 3D. None of these can be called "development tools",
they are used by many people to compose "documentes, reports, presentations,
and other forms of media."

In your opinion a major fraction of scientific texts are "insubstantial"
and do not "really exist".

>   If a morphing program for the Mac had 99% of the features needed by
>low-end video users, but was not nearly as powerful as a similar Amiga 
>morphing package, would you excuse the Mac morphing package as being 
>completely adequate?  No, you would flame it as being complete inadequate.

No, we aren't like you.

>built-in a small facility for adjusting the kerning of the output.  Most 
>people would not use this facility all the time, but it is pretty damn nice 
>to have when the automatic output isn't quite right.

I say that's a kludge to overcome bad output generated by the WP.

>of MicroSoft Word is the built-in mini typesetting language.  It isn't 
>exactly TeX, and most people would not use this facility very often either, 
>but it is also very nice to have once in a while to print an occasional
>mathematical formula.  I could list literally dozens of other examples.

I once tried to make Microsoft Word for Macintosh to output a formula,
it was pathetic. Good that the capability exists, but you won't like to
use it more than once in a month.

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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:14:36 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

m92mli@tdb.uu.se (Mikael Lindgren) writes:


>Hi...   Merry X-max and a happy new year to everyone who reads this during the
>holiday..

Have a nice KWANZAA, yourself. :)

>I`m planning to by an A4000 but I don`t know what monitor to buy.
>The preformance of the CBM1960 didn`t satisfy me at all, it can`t handle all
>the resolutions! (from what I have seen it can`t display Productivity
>(800x600))

This isn't exactly so - the 1960s I've seen will display all of the standard
resolutions, *but* they have such fuzzy pictures that it's hardly worth
bothering.

>I would like to have suggestions for other monitors that CAN display all
>resolutions, so if anyone of you out there have any ideas, please let me
>know.

If you can find an NEC Mulisync 3D, they're the cheapest ones that work with
it.  I think CBM has a list of good monitors to use - you might call them and
ask (I don't know their number offhand, sorry).

>Thanks

Sure - say, could you do us all a favor and press return at the end of each
line, though?  I had to reformat a lot of your text to include it here.

>  Mikael Lindgren
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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:52:52 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>	It is not avalable on any Mac or PC that I have ever used. It is
>only available on the Amiga. For example, right now I am running my 
>Workbench, Term, DeluxePaint, ProWrite, DirOpus, and EdPlayer. Right now
>onscreen I can see my Workbench, Term, Deluxepaint, ProWrite, DirOpus, and 
>Edplayer. The Workbench has a 16 color palette, all shades of grey and
>a little red. Term has grey, dark blue, light blue, and an unseen color
>in its 4 color palette. DeluxePaint has 4096 color HAM modem on. ProWrite
>is in 4 color mode, with purple, blue, white, and orange. DirOpus is in
>16 colors including beige, two reds, two blues, yellow, green, and orange.
>Edplayer looks like 16 colors, mostly black and grey, red and green.
>
>	And I can see all of them in their original palettes, at the same 
>time. I can load 10 HAM pics, each with its own 4096 color palette, and
>see all of their different paletes at the same time on screen with no
>problems. I can order the screens any way I want, and slide them all around
>faster than I can move windows. And moving windows is only moving ghosted
>outlines, while moving screens is like moving 640x400x6 bitmaps or whatever.

You are saying that on a stock Amiga, you can have, on your monitor at
one time 400,000 colours, without AGA.