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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Rio and streetkids
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:29:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.033926.27141@cco.caltech.edu>, rkrii@cco.caltech.edu (Roberk Kim Rickenbrode II) writes:
>
>>>Automobile companies know that some people die every year in their cars.
>>>Yet they continue to make cars.  Does that mean that their profits are
>>>important enough that they don't care?
>
>>Nope.  The benefits are important enough that none of us care.
>
> Perhaps, or maybe we have been so dehumanized that we really don't care,
>regardless of any perceived benefits.  Let me pose it to you this way: if
>I told you that specific members of your family are going to die in 
>automobile accidents (or by secondary pollution effects), and
>furthermore gave you the power to effect the future only by halting automobile
>production, what would you do?

Depends on what other consequences stopping automobile production would have.
How many people would die because of increased costs of delivering goods and
services?  How many would come down with, e.g., deficiency diseases?  I'm not
sure whether I'd choose to inflict suffering on so many people in order to save
the life of one familiy member.

>ps. No, I am not a technophobe (hell, I'm going to Caltech), so
>    please don't flame me for that.

Is it OK if I flame you for giving Caltech a bad name? :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: Media bias
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:59:59 GMT
Keywords: bias

session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:

>fwiw, I hold a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science and have
>almost 20 years experiance in data processing, currently managing several
>VAX computers and a large PC network.

Ah. You have an "Al Gore Degree In Scientific Studies", eh?

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution
From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot: Gays are OK
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:32:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.192142.23173@sdf.lonestar.org> marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes:
>From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
>Subject: Re: Ross Perot: Gays are OK
>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 19:21:42 GMT

>One thing that always bugged me about Perot....
> 
>If the guy has a lot of money, and he's so _influential_, then
>why would he want to associate with government? After all, there
>_is_ a bit of truth to the amount of disbelief generated by
>"...I'm from the government..."  Why would he want to become 
>part of something that common folk perceive to be corrupt?
> 
>Why not spend a tenth of what he pissed-away on his non-campaign,
>and attract people to the think tanks that would do some good? 
>Jeez...  I hear he's got 4 million volunteers!  A great way to
>begin a grass-roots ANYTHING, no?
> 
>I dunno. It just smelled rotten to me. Then again, whadIknow?


>It was all part of the master plan to get the Democrats back in the White 
>House.  Clinton will be assasinated b-4 his third year.

just a theory
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Subject: Re: International wage control
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.000750.6358@NOC.Vitalink.COM> rbuchanan@vitalink.com (Rick Buchanan) writes:
>
>How can a law "permit" something?   Laws are meant to _prohibit_ things.
>To even refer to a law "permitting" anything means that you consider the 
>default to be that things are illegal unless specifically allowed by the 
>State!   You are a person who really _believes_ in the old joke about
>"everything not required shall be forbidden"!  You get scarier every day.
>
>Here's how a non-authoritarian might phrase the question:
>
>  Hey Rick, do you support the abolition of laws that forbid discrimination
>  on the basis of "race"?
>
>To which I would answer:
>
>  Of course I do.  I also oppose laws that forbid discrimination on the basis 
>  of sex, disability, lifestyle or anything else.  The State has no business
>  interfering with individuals' right of free association.
>
>C'mon Frank, I'm holding up both sides of this argument.  You've gotta start
>doing better than _this_!
            


 You do ramble on a bit...
 Obviously I refer to the UN declaration referred to below that prohibit
 discrimination based on "race" etc.
  And thus I refered to the  adherence to that principle.

>Back to your (inane) point -- the value of labor should not be defined by
>nationality, nor by international law, nor by the bureaucracy, nor by
>popular vote, and _especially_ not by you.  Before I explain further, please
>answer the question I've asked twice already --
>
> How is the value of anything determined?   I mean, the value of a diamond,
>or a cheese sandwich, or an hour of James Galway's flute playing, or a bucket
>of water or _anything_?   What is the basis of "value"?


In a capitalist society, value is determined by who owns private property,
and by the capitalist market, also defined by private property.


Ultimately real  value is determined  by the labour that goes into
nature. Nothing has value until work is done to it. A diamond has no
value until it is dug up and sold. That doesn't mean there are not
speculators who bid up prices based on future expected values.



Frank.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: 'terrorists' vs. 'freedom-fighters'
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:23:59 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul23.150625.25828@uvm.edu> aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum) writes:

>Hmm...the FMLN guerrillas were strict adherents to international modes of 
>conduct; the same can't be said for El Salvador's death-squads which were
>armed and trained by the US. 

Really?  Perhaps you forgot the time the FMLN kidnapped President
Duarte's daughter?  Or was she a combatant?  

Also, would you like to discuss the murder of two wounded US
servicemen whose helicopter the FMLN shot down?

When you're done with that perhaps you'll tell us what happened to the
prisoners taken by the FMLN.  They didn't release very many.  Gotta
wonder what happened to them.

By the way, Autonome, who the heck are you?  Most people who post
don't need to hide behind pseudonymns.

>And what about Iran-Contra? Not only were the
>contras 'terrorists'

Depends on who you ask.

>that clandestine scheme violated all national and
>international laws.

Re national laws, name one.  Walsh hasn't been able to get a single
conviction on that basis.  You, however, seem to have the inane idea
that it violated evey single federal law.  I'm not sure why you post
that kind is silliness since I;m sure even you don't really velieve
it.

As far as international law goes, there we get into neat questions
like the right to retaliate.  After all, the Sandinistas were helling
out the FMLN and even continued to do so after Chamorro took office.
(Remember that missile delivery?)

>but none of the government officials responsible are in
>prison.

Why should they be?  Among other things, international law has no
punitive provisions and no national laws were broken.

>A note to the Net right-wing: think before you write.

I did.  Di you?

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From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Libertarianism vs. government
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:43:58 GMT
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Followup-To: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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In-reply-to: scottj@gumedlib.georgetown.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 19:17:01 GMT

In article <scottj-230792150731@iamac-1.georgetown.edu> scottj@gumedlib.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:

> did, another insurance company would be insane not to take advantage
> of the situation and offer you (and *millions* like you) a contract
> with no such clause.  This goes double in a libertarian society with
> no government mandated insurance where insurance companies would be
> forced by the market to provide maximal services for minimal fees.
> An insurance company in such a marketplace would be committing
> suicide if even a small percentage of their potential customers
> refused to sign their bizarre contract.

An interesting theory.  Maybe even a true one.  Still, I'm a
physicist, and I like to see empirical evidence for theories.  Has
this actually been the case in societies with pervasive racism?  In
such societies, has economic competition between insurance companies
actually worked to eliminate the damage done by that racism?  

A related question: free-market economics makes a certain set of
simplifying assumptions about human behavior.  What is the evidence
that humans actually do behave in this way?  And if, as I believe to
be the case, these assumptions turn out to be a poor approximation to
the way that humans actually do behave, how does this affect the
conclusions that are based on those assumptions?
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: Media bias
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:04:00 GMT
Keywords: bias

pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:

>And just what exactly does this mean?  To me it looks like you're trying
>to make yourself out to be something more than you are.

Oh boy. A flame attempt. I'm amused.

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: bwise@hemlock.mitre.org (Barry Wise)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:35:35 GMT

In article <35gm+w+.chas@netcom.com> chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher) writes:
> In the area I live (northern Santa Clara county) the demographics of
> various neighborhoods was due to the practice of real estate brokers
> who sold homes to buyers only in specific neighborhoods based on their
> ethnicity.  I don't know who gave brokers the mandate to decide which
> neighborhoods would be Oriental, Black, White, or whatever. 


Try again.  What reason would the real estate broker have to do this?  Could it  
be the desire of the people involved to live in an area with people who have  
similar backgrounds.  Just because you may not care one way or the other (or  
may even prefer an ethnic mixture) does not mean everyone does (even minorities  
may prefer to live with people of their own background. 

I live in northern Virginia and believe me when I say we have an ethnic mix;  
but you still see groupings occur.  There are people of many nationalities in  
my neighborhood so you can't say there is 'redlining' but I can point out  
neighborhoods that have a majority of one nationality or another.  This is a  
relatively recent occurence.  One whole shopping center caters primarily to  
Vietnamese. Why? Because that's the neighborhood that has a high percentage of  
Vietnamese! The shopping center I'm sure attracts even more Vietnamese to the  
neighborhood making it less ethnically diverse.  No evil real estate conspriacy  
involved just people being free to choose.
--
Barry Wise
(bwise@hemlock.mitre.org)

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: jangerma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jake Angerman)
Subject: High quality padlocks (was Re: Security of Master combination locks)
Organization: THE Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:45:04 GMT

>If I knew a particular weakness about the storage facility (such as the
>existence of weak walls between units), I might even use the presence
>of high-quality padlocks to help decide which units to break in to (if
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>they put a good lock on the door, there must be good stuff inside).

A while ago when I stored some stuff in a storage facility, I noticed
the guy next to me had put a high quality padlock on his locker.
Instead of your average padlock with a U shaped shackle, the lock was
in the shape of a disc:   (excuse the crude drawing...)
                             _______
                            /\_____/\  <- shackle
                           /         \
                          /     _     \
                         |     (_)     | <- keyhole in center
                         |             | 
                          \           /
                           \         /
                            \_______/
Since the surface area of the shackle was relatively small -- as if it
were "pinched" closed -- it would be *extremely* difficult to cut this
baby off with a bolt cutter.  It looked tough.

I had never seen anything like this before.  I looked on the back and
I think it was made in Germany.  Does anyone know what it's called,
what its strengths and weaknesses are, how much it costs and where I
could get one?
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From: bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Security
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:56:49 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

flatline@eskimo.celestial.com (Flatline) writes:

> 
> yikes. this is scary. what is the exact technique used to open a master spin-
> 
> 
> ter hole, make a master key, or otherwise open the locker? thanks. 
> 
> also, does anyone have a list of combos to be tried that would prob hit in th
>
I haven't had a chance to talk to my friend in California about how he
opens Master locks, but I have a few ideas, while not a minute tops, but
still fast enough.  I will call or Email him and ask him to post or tell me
what to post.  In the meantime, this should give some ideas:

As I said in my orignal post, you need only try about every four
combinations.  There is also the mechanism of the Master combination lock
itself that gives away the last part of the combination.  By lightly
tugging and turning the dial, you will quickly get the part of the
combination. (try it on a lock you know)  Now that you have the last part,
you have two more numbers to find.  Since the usable resolution of the
Master lock is about four digits, there are ten possibilities arround the
dial.  Now it should be obvious that there are at most 100 possible
combinations to try, and at average they'll be 50, since the last part can
be determined as above or just slowly turning the dial until it opens.  Now
say you can do a combination test in five seconds (a beginner speed) you'll
have the average Master lock in four minutes!  While not exactly "one
minute tops" it won't be bad for a beginner!  As far as lists go,
there are a few standard combinations master uses, but I don't really know
who has it, but I've heard of it.  A crack list would look something like
this:  00-00-NN, 00-04-NN, 00-08-NN,........36-28-NN, 36-32-NN, 36-36-NN.
There are of course 100 combos on the list.  How this whole topic puts me
back to my dreaded stupid Jr. High and Highschool days!

                                                        Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re:  Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Organization: Slug Hordes of the Planet Gamma
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:49:44 GMT

In article <072192150346dude@losers.hacktic.nl> dude@losers.hacktic.nl writes:
> Nobody can open a lock with just one paperclip or picking tool (I don't
> think a jimmy qualifies as a 'picking' tool).

Weeelllllll....  For cheap padlocks, or *really* cheap larger ones (i.e.,
Kwikset, or the very worn Yales around here), it's doable to use the pick
to apply torque as well as manipulate the pins.  The pick has to be
fairly wide for this to work, though.  A paperclip is indeed right out...

andrew
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: willic6@vccnorthc.its.rpi.edu (Charles Williams)
Subject: Gif
Reply-To: willic6@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:14:08 GMT

Can someone tell me where to find the GIF one the latest lock picking tools?


Thanks.
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Automotive Security  (Prolock, Starlock, and more...)
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:55:32 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

Here's one for you...

I bought a truck at a dealership that the dealer had installed Star-Lock 
on, which is just a fancy jumper between the ignition switch and the 
starter.  They charge $180 for the thing and I told him I wasn't going to 
pay $180 and to take it out.  Well, they don't take them out, they 
instead of giving you the key, put a plug in the receptical for the 
device.  The Plug is just a key that isn't easy to deal with under normal 
use.  Pro-Lock is the same from what I hear.

I don't have the guts to try it because I don't want to mess it up, but 
it looks like just sticking a jumper in there yourself will work with a 
little bit of knowledge, it looks like the only thing that can go wrong 
is hitting B+ to GND and popping the fuse.

Here are my questions, also relating to the same toy o' mine....

Alpine Alarms, anyone know how and where to buy remotes for these?
I have nice one with all the extras except keypad, and no remote.

Blaupunkt Phoenix Pull-out radios, I have one of these too with the 
per-programmed security code, and it's suppose to be programmible, anyone 
know how, I'd like something a bit more creative as a code for it.


             -=-  System Administrator  system@hale.cts.com  -=-
                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
From: zeta@yngbld.gwinnett.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Trick to Corbins?
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:27:25 GMT
Organization: TCS Consulting Services, Peachtree City, GA

dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman) writes:

> What the does it mean if you can pick a lock and it turns 45 degrees, and if
> you apply alot of torque it turns 90 degrees and it sounds as though the lock
> mechanism is starting to open?  The problem is it won't open and no I'm not
> picking it the wrong way.  If you try the other way, everything's the same
> except there is no sound indicating the locking mechanism is about to give.
> The lock is a Corbin (I believe), so is there so trick to open these?  Seems
> wierd to me. BTW, the lock is set in the knob.  Thanks.
>  

I'm just a beginner and don't know much about locks, yet I recall picking 
a deadbolt to my apartment.  I got the cylinder to turn, about 90 degrees 
and it stopped.  I stuck my picks in again and fiddled with the pins and 
turned it some more and it opened..  Perhaps the lock checked the pins in 
two positions and that's what stopped my lock, I dn't know...in any event, 
it sounds similar to what happened to you.  Try picking the pins and getting 
it to continue rotating.  Does it rotate the same amount or more with the 
key and not the picks?  

Greg

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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:45:11 GMT

craig@grad02.math.ncsu.edu (Ralph Craig) writes:
: 
: 	Making and using the picks is actually much easier than I thought it
: would be and I enjoy the feeling of knowing that if I accidentally lock myself
: out of the house, I won't have to sleep in my yard and feed the mosquitoes.

I used to be able to pick my front door lock. Not any more - if I can do it
then someone else can. It is fairly easy to make a lock pick resistant, using
a combination of pin lengths and mushroom or taper pins.

: 	Making the picks is so easy that I'm tempted to go into business 
: selling them.  The only problem is that I would want to be absolutely sure
: about the legality of such a transaction beforehand.

There are quite a few places that sell them. I think all they require is a
signed declaration from the purchaser that they have a legit usage for them.
I don't know how well this would hold up in court. The major manufactures of
locksmithing equipment generally only sell to licensed and bonded locksmiths.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Organization: large
Date: 29 Jul 1992 12:24:49 EDT
Expires: 1 Apr 93 12:34
Subject: masters
From: hobbit@babyoil.ftp.com (*Hobbit*)

   A crack list would look something like this:  00-00-NN, 00-04-NN, 00-08-NN,
   ........36-28-NN, 36-32-NN, 36-36-NN.

Oh, please.  All you really need for these things is the first number, the rest
falls out by differential pressure.

_H*
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing