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From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Subject: Re: Books to build a civilization...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27973]: spop.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:23:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.220216.10928@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, keaches@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin S Eaches) writes:
|> Legion has been listening to Sea Wasp and some other Patrons holding a 
|> conversation on books to use to build a civilization for some time now, and 
|> decides to go over and chat a bit....
|>      "Hello - the talk's been interesting so far, but I have a major question:
|> You keep mentioning the CRC.  Somehow or another, I've managed to miss the 
|> reference for that entirely.  What exactly is it?  You also mentioned an old 

   CRC = 'Chemical Rubber Company' Its a company that prints excellent
 refernce works on just about every science. I have seen books by them
 on Math, Phycics, Chemistry, Mechanical Engineering.

|> book of formulas and such; unless I miss my guess, you're thinking of Hensley's
   "Thats the title, 'Hensley's Formulas.' Only it is 'translated' By that
 I mean that many of the formulas use terms that have changed their
 meaining or they are no longer in use. I have read it, but thats what I've
 been told about it.

|> (sp?) Formulas, and old book, but a good one....I've looked through it several 
|> times, and found it very interesting."
|>      "There's something that I personally think would be VERY useful....In The 
|> Whole Earth Catalog, the collection titles SIGNALS, or somthing similar, they 
   Ah yes, a reference work in and of itself. TWEC kept me enthralled with
 it for days at a time as I explored things I had never heard of before.
 An excellent book.

|> mentioned a box of microfilm and a reader that you could buy....It's expensive,
|> but from the sound of it, it has a LOT of information on just about 
|> everything...I'll look up the information, and post it later, in case anyone is
|> interested...."
|>      Legion grins, and walks back to his table.  "Let me know what the CRC is, 
|> please.   Oh, and by the way, Wasp.  I saw your post on abortion.  Found it 
|> very clear-cut and reasonable....See you later."  As he walks to his table, he 
|> sees DM's party still going on outside, and decides to go back to that for a 
|> while...
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Kevin 'Legion' Eaches                  keaches@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
|> I never really believed in entropy; then I got cats....

-- 
     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce aka Nick D.
    "I want a new duck...." Weird Al Yankovic
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Birith)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Potstickers, and a return
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:34:44 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <9204071719.AA21431@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM>, dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David) writes:
>      Danger Mouse wants to know what a 'potsticker' is....
> 
>      Briefly, it's a chinese stuffed dumpling that is fried instead of steamed. 
> I say briefly, because there are umpty-many sorts of chinese dumpling, cooked 
> in several different ways; as far as I can tell, there's not necessarily any 
> difference in content between steamed and fried ones.

Birith looks up from his potstickers after hearing something about them being
fried.  He pokes his rather large nose at one and sniffs carefully and then
bites down delicately, chews a bit, and declares, <<No, these seem to be
steamed.  I have seen fried potstickers offered, but steamed seems to be the
most common type at least in Pern and Ohio...>>
 
>      The 'canonical' chinese dumplings encountered in North America are
> slightly crescent-shaped, 3"-4" long, and stuffed with sausage, and are eaten
> with vinegar or pepper sauce.  Dumplings of similar size and shape, but a
> variety of fillings, are usually included in dim sum.

Birith shakes his head at the sausage part, <<Shrimp or wherry is much better,
but most of the time I just eat them too quickly to notice what's inside. 
P'relan says that they vary quite a bit from restaurant to restaurant...>>
Having made his comments, Birith returns to the infinitely more important
business of filling the draconic stomach.

~~~
Birith (and P'relan)
jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Subject: Re: Dr. Asimov
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:57:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans

As quoted from <1992Apr7.163759.21641@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> by trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski):
+---------------
| In <1992Apr7.043823.9961@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
| 
| >Kateri reads  the posts on Asimov's death with a feeling of bitter loss...
| >not to mention that somehow she had missed that Clarke had died (he wrote
| >some of the most beautiful books on the country I was born in...).
| 
| "but, kateri...when did clarke die...i hadn't heard that."
+---------------

As far as I know, Clarke's still there.  Now if he'd just dump Gentry Lee and
get back to serious writing....

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        allbery@NCoast.ORG
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 12:18:00 MST
From: <ICALCP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: steel bars
 <1992Apr7.072229.13451@ucc.su.OZ.AU> <1992Apr9.230123.16765@NCoast.ORG>
 <1992Apr <1992Apr12.142203.17176@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Sue puts in a belated appearance, not being able to resist kitten's
reaction to "Bar-Bar Ann".  Smiling in kitten's direction, she says,
"How would you like to be 14 years old, named Sue and dating a guy
named George in the year that "Georgey Girl" and "A Boy Named Sue"
are on the charts!  You learn to keep smiling (albeit with gritted
teeth)!:-0   <--- See?

Sue aka Dowager
From: hgm@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Not a property tax (was Mail from Bob English)
Date: 17 Apr 92 22:29:30 +1200
Followup-To: sci.econ
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr16.000622.13846@cello.hpl.hp.com>, renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes:
I really feel this is getting to detaied for discussing in the bar. Do you
dislike sci.econ? Can you suggest another newsgroup you could bear to join me
in? I am currently registered in alt.individualism and alt.activism would you
find these more compatible?

> hgm@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> It does not tax the improved value of resources only the natural value...
>> To tax only the resource itself is to create incentives to use the
>> resource efficiently.
> 
> This seems to favor consumption over conservation.  If I have a
> "resource" and don't use it, I pay a tax.  If I convert it to "property"
> (by cutting down a forest, for example), I eliminate the tax.
> 

Yes, conservation at present is the privelege of the wealthy. This moves the
power to decide how much to conserve from the owners of resources to the mass
of the people. Under my system each of us can contribute to the total amount
conserved by giving all or part of the money we get from leasing our right to
the natural resource to a conservation agency which can then buy land for
conservation purposes and lease the appropriate number of licences. This way I
cannot buy up the whole of your country and decide to conserve it regardless of
the fact that you would like to grow food on part of it.

>> To tax property is to create disincentives to work to increase
>> the value of your resource.
> 
> How?
> 

If you increase the value of your resource by building improvements on it you
get taxed more.

> If I have $100 worth of economically productive property, and it's taxed
> at 10% per year, I need to produce $10 of value from it every year just
> to break even.  Since the property has value (someone would be willing
> to buy it from me), I must be able to do better than break even, I must
> be able to make a profit.  If I increase the value, that means I must now
> be able to make a larger profit.  I pay more taxes, but only because the
> property is more productive and can sustain a higher tax load.
> 

You may not be able to make a profit from it. The incentive to improve may have
been the services the assets provide you. These services may not be valued by
anyone else. You are entitled to the services of the assets your labour has
created.

If you do make a greater profit you are entitled to ALL of it. It was all
created by your labour. If you want to give part of it away that is your
perogative but I don't see any justification for compelling you to. 

If we take away part of your profits as tax you get to keep less hence less
incentive to make your improvement.

Helen Marsh
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:33:49 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <92104.185246AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu> AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu (Abner Mintz) writes:
>Something kitten said a while back touched off a memory.
>
>One of my friends my freshman year was very pro-life (not for religious
>reasons, either ... he was a Marxist socialist!) and I am pro-choice.
>
>I once, trying for reducio ad absurdum, pointed out to him that if a pregnant
>woman drinks alcohol, she can severely harm the fetus.  Similarly with smoking.
>If we're truly trying to protect the fetus, shouldn't this be prevented?

...

>A few days later, he told me that he thought that it should be made illegal
>for women between the ages of menense (sp?) and menopause to buy, possess, or
>use alchohol or cigarettes ...

Alas, _reductio ad absurdum_ only works where the other party in
the argument can recognize an absurd postion and is unwilling to
adopt it.  Fanatics, when faced with the "logical conclusion"
of their beliefs, will adopt it wholeheartedly.  The proof
is left as an exercise for those who wish to read the histories
of Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Cambodia, among others.  :-(

Michael
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: A short, uninteresting story.
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:41:44 GMT

In article <vad276g.702225073@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) writes:
>   "Mine came from first year Comp. Sci in 1986. I was put on a vax which
>was the first multi-user computer I'd ever seen. So after a few weeks we
>were all changing our process names to things and I needed an equine name
>in a hurry. Since I was reading 'The Silver Brumby' at the time and copping
>flack for reading a childrens book, I put the name up. Within a week I had
>half a dozen bits of mail asking what a brumby was. So it stayed. Funnily
>enough, when I got access here 2 years ago and a modem not long after, I
>got mail asking me if my name is based on Elyne Mitchell's books. The
>first book is being turned into a movie soon by the way. There was a picture
>in the paper of Elyne Mitchell, 78 and still going strong, patting one
>of the palomino stars of the movie."

Speaker-to-Minerals (who manages VAX/VMS systems for a living) expresses some
skepticism.  "I assume when you say `on a vax,' you mean `on a VAX running
VMS.'  This being the case, you could NOT have set your process name to
`The Silver Brumby.'  You could've managed `The Silver Brum', or
`Silver Brumby', but since process names under VMS are, and always have been,
limited to 15 characters, the full name is an impossibility."
From: JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET (JIM PIERCE)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: oldie but goodie ! Re: April Birthdays, forsooth
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:34:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: USM.920408.19344056.072552


>     "Oh, you kids say the nicest things about us old folks..." NickD.
>
>     :-) :-) :-)   :-)
>
>    "I'm 44, in June I become 45 ! Gee Carole, how old are you ?
>     Can you top that ! Oops, we are shutting down here at Navo,
>     see all of you in the funny papers...." NickD.  :-)
>
The Didi-Sprite, still hunting for Danger Mouse in order to collect
that dance, spins about when she hears NickD admit his age ...
"Well,"  she giggles, "if no-one else is going to say it ... I certainly
am not going to pass up the opportunity ....

"Hey, Nick ... you're just an oldie but goodiie, huh!?!"

[Ouch!  Who did that?]

     "Well, it wasn't me ! My hands are over here !" shouts NickD. from a
          long distance away ! { Hmm. Now if no one remembers I can move
          faster than light. }

         "Gee ! Its nice here among friends !" NickD.

 >>SPLAT !<<

    You see NickD. all covered in snow, except for his head. His arm
and hand sticks out of the snow pile and he says, " thats odd. I
don't see any snow clouds !? " NickD. starts uncovering himself
with his free hand. Well, at least he wont find this a sweaty
outdoor job ! :-)
   later...

* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Applied Computer Science
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* "Women are People, *not* property." me
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Books to build a civilization...
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:17:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr12.220216.10928@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> keaches@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin S Eaches) writes:
>     "Hello - the talk's been interesting so far, but I have a major question:
>You keep mentioning the CRC.  Somehow or another, I've managed to miss the 
>reference for that entirely.  What exactly is it?  You also mentioned an old 

	The Sea Wasp stands up, holds out his hand. In it materializes a
very large book; over 3 inches thick, about 8 inches wide, and over 10 inches
high; the cover is deep maroon leather-pattern, with the title emblazoned
on it in gold: _CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics  -- 67th Edition,
1986-1987, CRC Press_
	"THIS is the CRC -- the Chemical Rubber Corporation's Handbook.
It contains a MONSTROUS amount of information." He opens the book and
begins paging through it. "Periodic table of the elements -- front cover.
Mathematical and numeric constants, including pi, e, the Golden Mean,
Euler's constant. Exponential and hyperbolic functions &logarithms. Trig
functions to 4 places. Common derivatives and integrals, with discussion
of integration techniques. Differential equations, fourier series and 
transforms. Vector analysis and algebra. T and chi-square distributions."
The Sea Wasp has barely made a dent in the pages. "A listing of every
known element, including name, weight, boiling and melting points, date
of discovery, physical characteristics, common uses, and common dangers
associated with it, including maximum exposure doses, and the most common
sources of the element. Nomenclature of inorganic chem. Table of
physical constants of inorganic compounds. Physical constants of various
minerals. Table of isotopes. Radionuclide exposure limits. Organic
chemistry nomenclature and primer. Organic compounds." Now the Wasp 
begins to skip randomly through the rest of the book. "Hmm. U.S. Standard
Atmosphere. Elements in seawater. Bond strengths in diatomic molecules.
Definitions of physics and chemistry terms..." He closes the CRC. 
	"And far, far more. This is practically the bible of science. By
inclusion or derivation, it holds almost everything of modern science
except biology and microcircuitry."

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
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From: ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias)
Subject: Re: most passionate of the Signs ???
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.051423.21826@cs.tulane.edu> pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:
>
>     "Actually 'yes, I have a video...' is from a 'Young Ones' episode.
>   I saw it on MTV about two years ago. I don't have a video on my
>   forehead, honest... " NickD.

"Yes, but what I really want to know NickD, is, have we go' a video?"

Shonias

 

--
**************************************************
Any time, any place,
I'm just the fool who puts the smile on your face.
**************************************************
From: sjane@bmers248.bnr.ca (sjs)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: All mind and no heart?
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:31:26 GMT
Organization: Irrelevant, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr13.182321.27396@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>  [...ommitting cases 1,2 & 4 for brevity...]
>
>"3. P1 hurts.  P1 may be looking for empathy or sympathy from P2, but
>not for advice.  (Arty was one of the first to mention this situation.)
>
>"Similarly, I think people are confusing case 3 (don't give advice,
>just lend an ear and compassion) with case 2 (don't even discuss it).
>For me, I again find 2 to be difficult, while 3 is easier in
>comparison, particularly if no advice does come automatically to mind.
>(Sometimes, though, you really have to ignore a person's wish to
>simply listen-without-giving-advice, if there really is a possible
>solution which should be mentioned.)
 
ACK!!! Argh & Double Ack!  <<du calme, du calme....>>  <<sigh>>
Well, ummm..., when you do give advice to someone who is not looking
for it and doesn't want it, how is it received?

If I am in an emotional state, looking for compassion, and my best
beloved gives me cold, rational advice instead, I have 2 reactions:
1) anger -- if I can't expect sympathy from my best beloved, who can
   I expect it from?
2) complete rejection of the advice, its validity notwithstanding.
   (I'm being emotional, ok?!)

If my best beloved could contain himself, reserving his advice for a time
when I am no longer emotional (this could be a couple of hours or even a
week later), and give me empathy instead, I would be much happier.

However, that is me, perhaps you have met folks who can accept advice
when in an emotionally charged state?  

-sjane 

--
It's not irrelevant; it's a hippopotamus.   sjane@BNR.CA
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Belated greetings, and other topics (was Re: Rhetoric: The.
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:50:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <s2athINN3mm@agate.berkeley.edu> erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu (Erik Nielsen) writes:
>I don't know which is scarier: SCAdians sitting around a fire bragging about
>what they'd do to any would-be thief who broke into their house or a mugger
>who threatened them in an alley-way, or gamers who fire off half-assed ideas
>about going back in time with firepower.  No, scratch that; they're equally
>scary.

	Huh? What's scary about it? I was just saying that if I HAD to live
in that period the only way I'd do it is under those conditions. I'd have
to set up my own civilization, and somehow I doubt that many of the natives
would want to just leave that "wizard" alone while he did his work. I'd
be expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

					Sea Wasp
From: vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: balrog meets Tizrak !
Date: 2 Apr 92 14:18:05 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


   The brumby seems to be hitting his stride.

AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu (Abner Mintz) writes:

>That one was absolutely revolting.

   "And guaranteed to spark a few lightning responses."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of      vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (till Apr 13)
      the Silicon Plains           brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:04:24 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Apr8.101021.23396@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <9204080111.AA09179@premise.prime.com.>, mdm@PREMISE.PRIME.COM (Michael McAfee) writes:
>>		During Boston University's 150th anniversary, there 
>>	was a series of discussions on several topics.  Dr. Asimov
>>	(who held an honorary professorship of biology at BU, I believe) 
>>	spoke at one about science and the future.  Before the panel 
>>	started, he talked to fans and signed things for them.
>
>It was, I think, in chemistry, and there wasn't anything honorary about it,
>except for the fact that BU decided to allow Asimov to retain the professorship
>while delivering only one lecture per year.  It was, if I understand things
>correctly, more of a premature professorship emeritus.

Almost right: Ph.D. in biochemistry was received *before* he became a
Famous SF Writer.  While still a full-time professor, I believe he
co-authored a book which is still used as the primary reference for
biochemists.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Mothers are inventors by necessity
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: RHPS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:42:15 GMT

In <1992Apr7.102240.10680@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.141541.10721@husc3.harvard.edu>, olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson) writes:
>>Castellan jumps up and lines up behind Kitten, also in corset and spike heels 
>>(how do people wear these things on a daily basis?! OUCH!).  Fortunately, this
>>being VR, it doesn't look nearly as silly on him as it would in RL.
>>"As you might guess, I'm also in need of a Rocky fix.  Last I saw it was at
>>Arisia back in January, and found that RHPS is improved by seeing it whilst
>>three sheets to the wind. 


>"No, no, no," StM manages to say whilst lasciviously licking Kitten's ankles,
>"drunk is NOT the way to watch it.  You need mushrooms, acid, peyote, or
>suchlike."

kitten can't type she is giggling so hard...."thank you kind sir....i
actually prefer to watch the thing stone cold sober....makes it much
easier to enjoy things like getting my ankles licked :)."

[the reason i am giggling is t.c. (a.k.a. eater of bureaucrats)....is
hissing and spitting and rowling that anyone would DARE to presume to
lick my ankles......]
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

"kittens today are not properly trained--the way that they were when
victoria reigned." asparagus (gus: the theatre cat)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Subject: Re: most passionate of the Signs ???
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16278]: spop.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.181604.18213@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
|> In <122420043@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I am a cancer, and I am NOT fucking passionate.  OK!?
|> 
|> >And if anyone could see a video on MY forehead, they would
|> >run screaming.
|> 
|> >doug
|> 
|> "maybe if we reverse the two words....put passionate FIRST...." kitten
|> just giggles at doug AGAIN.
|> 
|> --

      "kitten, I think doug was just answering 'passionately' !!! :-)

-- 
     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce aka Nick D.
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