HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twcaps@dante.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hidden Bills of Attainder? (was: The amazing
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:47:36 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.13.76

silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
 
 +A bill of attainder isthe "extinction of civilrights and capacities which took
 +place whenever a person who had committed atreason or felony received sentence
 +of death for his crime" by a specioal act of the legislature "without any
 +conviction in the ordinary course of judicial proceedings." Similar acts
 +imposing lesser penalties are also illegal under Article I, sec. 9 of the
 +Constitution.
 
Alertly, tzs@carson.u.washington.edu(Tim Smith) writes:
 
 +That's not what *my* copy of Black's Law Dictionary (Sixth Edition) says
 +under "bill of attainder."  I think you looked under "attainder" rather
 +than under "bill of attainder" and got the common law meaning.

silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu(Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
 
 +Oops, indeed I did. However, for the purposes of a.f.u., I don't think the
 +difference with the common law meaning is all that significant...

Hah!  One of the greatest fallacies on a.f.u. and USENET.

Terry "Pedantic?  As much as Kibo?" Chan
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Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:22:38 GMT

In article <5829@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:
|> In the US, rights are _intrinsic_, in England they are _granted_.

This is a distinction without a difference.

|>  Of course,
|> both are equally valid if you defend them as ferociously as you can.

And this is why.  Thanks for making the point, Larry.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
From: A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: University of Cambridge
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.175946.22711@gssec.bt.co.uk> cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson) writes:
>How much more of this ignorance will we be faced with? All poetry is in
>dialect, because all forms of language are dialect, including the
>Standard English that Alasdair Grant apparently reveres so much.

That is one meaning of the word 'dialect'; another meaning specifically
refers to regional variants which are not accepted as 'standard'. Common
English usage is that Standard English would not be called a 'dialect',
though technically it is. Anyway, it makes no difference to my argument,
which is that Burns is the first representative (in the printed era) of
a particular type.

An interesting comparison is with the Australian poet Banjo Patterson.
Several of his poems are internationally famous ("Waltzing Matilda") and
have even been filmed ("The Man from Snowy River"). Yet as a poet he is
the absolute pits. Burns is a serious poet, but suffers from the same
inflated hype from people who want to claim him as their own. You only have
to compare him with his nearest English contemporary, William Blake, to
see how narrow the range of his work is.

>The experience of education through
>the medium of Welsh tends, if anything, to suggest the contrary.

As I pointed out in another posting, this is a fallacy. Believe me, I used
to work for Gallup!

>Some of the implications of Grant's remarks here - that English, or any
>foreign language should be despised; that Scots and Gaelic are
>languages fit only for peasants, as if peasants were a lesser form of
>life - are simply appalling.

No, I implied that pushing Scots and Gaelic into the service of national
identity might _make_ English despised. I'd lay bets that the more extreme
Welsh or Quebec nationalists would be prepared to say that they despise 
English.

And it is you who believe that by 'peasants' I'm referring to a lesser form
of life, and then have the temerity to attribute this to me. The French don't
believe peasants are inferior, merely that they are narrow-minded, parochial,
traditional, and short-termist. Some people may think these are virtues, but
with the country on the brink of economic collapse, I don't.
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: BBC election coverage
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:15:23 GMT
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <CC.92Nov4125937@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <27663@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>
>   Has Peter Snow been possessed by the spirit of Magnus Pyke?
>   I think we should be told.
>
>I think his big computerised results board was possessed, at any rate.
>Rather surprising for it to flash up "Perot takes Maine!" "Perot takes
>Maryland!"  "Perot Landslide!"...

Did EDS implement it?

(or EDS-Scicon, or whatever they're called these days.)

	Tim.
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me''
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:21:30 GMT
	<1deircINN7jo@fido.asd.sgi.com>
	<1992Nov6.211248.29979@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1df1qvINN7jo@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1df1qvINN7jo@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

   And is that what you want?   A permanent state of
   coalitions?  Have you taken a look at Israeli, or Belgian
   or Irish politics recently?   Or the sparkling record of
   our own lamented National Government back in the thirties?

Or the sparkling record of most countries which are richer than the UK?  So
many countries use PR (like, practically all of the democratic ones) that you
really can't validly point to a little weak subset of them and say "look,
that's where PR gets you".
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Organization: University of Cambridge
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:54:23 GMT

In article <1ds94jINNg1j@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Last year, the same "Economist" published a chart showing
>that you were statistically safer in Northern Ireland than
>in Washington DC.

It would be more to the point to compare Belfast with Washington, or 
NI as a whole with Maryland. (Or whichever state DC is surrounded by.)
Or to compare London or Glasgow with Washington.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:26:19 GMT

In article <A.Grant.18.721245531@ucs.cam.ac.uk>, A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
> In article <BxD4E7.Dtp.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
> >It is? In what way is `fuck' euphemistic? I thought it was
> >straight-forward, like `fart' or `shit'.
> 
> It stands for "For unnatural carnal knowledge". Like TDA and GBH.

Oh no it doesn't. Fuck has been in use a lot longer than this urban legend
has been around.

Simon.

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From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:31:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


A little snippet heard on the radio this morning that may or may not be complete bollocks.

The right of habeous corpus was passed because the adjudicators counted a really fat lord as ten votes. 

Cue Cyril Smith

 Trev 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Not really Re: An astonishing Guy
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.011557.28085@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
writes:
>So let's just sum it up by saying: No, I am not that worried about our 
>"right to bear arms".  Rather the opposite.
>
>You can write back on this topic, but I will have my fingers in
>my ears and whistle loudly. :-)

Obviously you have more faith in the gummint than I do...

    don



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From: rancke@diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:43:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:

>It should be noted that England is one of the oldest nations on the face of
>the planet, and it predates literacy by some centuries, which accounts in a
>large manner for why its constitution is unwritten, and instead relies upon
>the traditions which served as law for so many generations.

On the other hand, Denmark, the oldest, does have a written consitution.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^
     (Well, we have the longest continuing line of kings, anyway).


      Hans Rancke
University of Copenhagen
     rancke@diku.dk
------------
        'There was a man,'  remarked Captain Eliot, 'who was sentenced
    to death for stealing a horse from a common. He said to the judge,
    that  he  thought it hard to be hanged for stealing a horse from a
    common  and  the  judge  answered,  "You  are not to be hanged for
    stealing  a  horse  from  a common,  but that others may not steal
    horses from commons." '
        'And do you find,' asked Stephen, 'that in fact horses are not
    daily stolen from commons? You do not!'

                        --- "The Mauritius Command" by Patrick O'Brian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:46:54 GMT

Alasdair Grant (A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
> In article <1992Nov10.171523.2552@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
> >>It stands for "For unnatural carnal knowledge". Like TDA and GBH.
> >
> >What, TDA stands for "For unnatural carnal knowledge"? How
> >can that be? And GBH, too? 
> 
> In the sense that it appeared on charge sheets, or whatever the medieval
> equivalent was. (E.g. "fined 10 groats, F.U.C.K."). There was even a heavy
> metal album with the title "For unnatural carnal knowledge" a few years ago,
> so obviously someone else believes the story. I might be more inclined to
> believe the stories about obscure Germanic roots if the word wasn't
> conspicuous by its absence from early English texts, in contrast to other
> four-letter words. 

Reminds me of the departure of one Soupy Sales from US Kid TV, after the
following exchange (live, no tape back then)

Soupy: What's this letter? (holds up 'F')
Puppet: K!
Soupy: It's an 'F'!
Puppet: K!
Soupy: F!
Puppet: K!
Soupy: Hey, how come when I say 'F' you see 'K' ?!


Who will now regale us with the joke that got Max Miller banned by the Beeb?

--
||I dreamed I met a Yadallean          |(parody in progress, apologies to
||A most confusing man....             | Tim Rice & Andrew Lloyd Webber)
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From: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: The future
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:13:28 GMT


Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> The way things are looking now, there want be just one future.
> There will be two futures. One for Sri Lanka and another for Eelam.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I don't think there's another way. Just look at the so called Parliamentary 
> Committee's total failure in coming up with a solution. Sinhala hardliners are
> not interested in peace because they are not interested in giving any
> concessions.

You are not interested in concessions either.  You keep talking about
dividing the country in two and you seem unwilling to settle for anything
less.  I think that is yet another "hardliner" approach.

You too are guilty of *everything* you accuse others of.  Isn't there
some saying about people in glass houses, stones, and remembering to turn
the lights off before undressing... um... never mind.


prasad

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From:  (Soundranayagam)
Subject: Test RS
Followup-To: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:12:44 GMT

This is a test.
From: cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Interested in Homosexuality in Sri Lanka
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:14:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I would appreciate receiving views, comments, and experiences
of people who read this group.  This will assist me in my
research.

I promise not to reveal anything about you or what you say.
This is a 100% guarantee.

Thanks for your kind cooperation.

J. Alan
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From: 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: News
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:42:10 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.



Mr. P. Dharmasena writes

>Lastly, there are a few (most notably Jayantha Herath) who post SLNet
>news on Usenet newsgroups' flame wars.  What's the policy on that?

Mr.  P. Dharmasena takes into notice copyright violations 
by one Jeyantha Herath. aRE YOU SURE?
GO AHEAD - DELETE THE NAME from the list

Of course Prabhakaran is going to 
	SUE COMPUSERVE and LACNET
	For violating copyright laws
	Because COMPUSERVE AND LACNET produce 
		the NEWS GENERATED BY LTTE Animals
		Prbha says we killed how do you produce news?

May be RRS is another pseudonym for JH.

The following article was obtained from soc.culture.tamil without
permission from LACNET and SLNET.

In article <oeuO3fO00iUyI2VZdX@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) copies news 
without permission as follows:

|>     NEW DELHI, Oct 22, Reuter - Population  experts  on  Thursday
|> called  for  sensitivity,  innovation and choice for women as the
|> only way to stop a staggering  80  per  cent  increase  in  south
|> Asia's population by the year 2025.
|>     India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka,  Maldives  and  Nepal
|> together have 1.2 billion of the world's 5.4 billion people.
|>     While the world average growth  rate  is  1.7  per  cent  per
|> annum,  Pakistan's  is  a galloping 5.9 per cent, India's 2.3 per
..........

But don't worry about the population growth.....
Aren't we taking the following steps to control the population in
SriLanka, and will take steps in TN soon.

	(i) Killing all high-cast tamils by lamp-posting
	(ii) Killing remaining low-cast tamil idiots by 
	    providing them bullets, axes and cyanidiote pills
		Put the cynideidiot pill around the neck and tell them bite
		Those idiots bite.
	(iii) Killing Muslims and Sinhalese by 100's
	(iv) Exporting all those with reproductive rights to US UK 
		Australia etc.
	(v) Killing the elephants to prevent people from getting ideas about 
	    big organs
	(vi) Eating flesh of humans killed by the boys



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From: 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Donations from LTTE to create Tamil chairs
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:04:22 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.


Supremo Animal Prabhakaran agreed to donate
Four Moslem Tamil LEGS to
create a Tamil Chair at Carnegie Melon University

He promised to send the necessary legs to MF. B. RRS.
in addition to his weekly supply

Recently Animal Mr. Prabhakaran agreed to donate
396 Moslem Tamil Legs to Jaffna University to Create needy Chairs.

Mr. Animal Anton Balusinham generated thousands of High Cast Hindu 
Tamil Legs for Jaffna University to create needy Chairs.

Ms. Animal Adley Balusinham defreezed thousands of Legs belong to 
the PRISONERS OF WAR for Jaffna University to create needy Chairs.

Animal Prabhakaran is willing to give his FOUR LEGS any minute
to create another Chair at CMU.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THIS WORLD

Amma OK Thambi
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: 2067bh@gmuvax psycho
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MezW13C00WB_4SlGM1
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Read the response again. I think you didn't get the grasp of what he
wrote. Also, your response only shows your lack of undestanding of the
problem or the Situation. My friend, you have been heavily influenced
my Mahavamsa. I'm glad that you're also not in Sri Lanka. The idea of
'motherland' did exist after independence. But, after Bandaranaike, it
was and is the Sinhala Budhist motherland.
I'm not neither a Budhist nor a Sinhalase. Am I allowed the same dignity
and respect a Sri Lankan citizen would expect? Or do I have to be Budhist
to qualify for equal treatment? This is one of the fundemental issues
behind the war. Since your last name is Perera, you're a Christian.
So, what kind of twisted motive is behind your reasoning? Appeasing Budhist
hardliners to look patriotic? If that's the game plan, then there's nothing I
can say.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Re: The future
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:53:48 GMT

In article <WEERAPAN.92Nov8201817@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> weerapan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Akila Weerapana) writes:
>[...]
>their security jeeps. There are 225 members of parliament let the mp's
>of Ratnapura district make up the provincial council of Ratnapura and
>elect a chairman from among them as chief minister and be responsible
>for the district, u do not need more councillors and bodyguards and
>jeeps to do this use the money on developing sadly neglected areas and
>build roads and create a capital in every province. None of this will
>be implemented though 'cause this would deny many members of various
>political parties opportunities to fleece the country. Sometimes I
>lose hope....

Akila lays his fingers upon a subtle (but an extremely perversive problem
in the Sri Lankan pysche...as opposed to the "psycho" :-):  the people
have and are getting ever dependent upon the government as the sole source
of support.  This is not only dangerous (just see what is happening)
but also bodes ill for the future.  The government should be in the 
business of making people less dependent on it.  The religious cults,
who constantly find ways of controlling others, find this avenue very
lucrative.  It  is no surprise therefore of the influence of religion
and other forms of fundamentalism in governance.  I say the solution
is to get the government off people's backs.  I know there is a historical
basis for the people to go to their kings and queens for their welfare,
but that is long gone and people they have to cut from this.  The era
where the goverment collects the money and is the sole distributor of
wealth has to be made antiquated.  That has to be the basis of any
political restructuring.
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: The future
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:15:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AezWkcm00WB_QTYEZy
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Without 'factual' Tamil representation in ruling hierarchy of the
land, the Tamils cannot afford to let their guard down again.

The SL armed forces and the police have proved their worth to us in many
imaginative ways...whether it be in Jaffna or in Colombo in times of
riots. A federal solution will have to deal with who can and should
carry any weapon in the land. You can't just expect the Tigers to lay down
the weapons. Most Tamils(including me) are opposed to it. A security
guarantee must be in place for Tamils before anything. And that can come
only after a peaceful resolution of the war.
And the other Tamil groups. They fought alongside IPKF and are fighting
alongside the SL army now. Seriously, can a Tamil with dignity allow any
of these 'treachorous'(for us) groups to have any say in matters of concern
to us?


Ranjith Suresh
From: saw@cs.purdue.edu (Sanjiva Weerawarana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: To '2067bh@gmuvax' psycho:
Date: 9 Nov 1992 09:35:43 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lanka.cs.purdue.edu
Summary: extremists

In article <UezKdcS00WBNI2S49T@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
> 
> You are a sick little bastard who needs professional help desperately.
> You're born to disgrace every one: Sinhalase, Tamils and Moslems. 
> 
...

You know Ranjith, one could say exactly the same thing about YOU! I think
you're just as much of an extremist as '2067bh@gmuvax'.

Extremism will not solve our problems. I agree wholeheartedly that the
government needs to come up with reasonable concessions to help solve the 
mess, but, on the other hand, the LTTE needs to realize its responsibilities
towards the Tamil population and do the same. 

Being responsible doesn't mean that LTTE gets the right to decide which group
can represent the Tamil people; let the Tamil people decide that! Furthermore, 
the LTTE should realize that ethnic cleansing will not help solve any problem.
If it claims to be an organization fighting for a just cause, then LTTE itself
must be just! (Of course, the same holds for the other side.)

Sanjiva.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Sanjiva Weerawarana                                          saw@cs.purdue.edu
 Department of Computer Sciences,                                (317) 494-9992
 Purdue University,
 West Lafayette, IN 47907.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: moksha@zeus.franklin.edu (Adithya)
Subject: Looking for Old Thomians
Organization: Franklin University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:38:15 GMT

THIS POSTING IS FOR A FRIEND, SO PLEASE REPLY TO
vamadeva@quapaw.astate.edu

I'm looking for graduates of St.Thomas Prep School and College
from the years 87 - 90.
My name is Ananda Vamadeva and I passed out of St. Thomas Prep School
in 88'. Do we have an Old Thomians Club in the U.S.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

My e-mail address is : vamadeva@quapaw.astate.edu 
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