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From: dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: inappropriate posts from Kane
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:51:54 GMT

--When I read the post from Kane/whatever (can't even remember his real name)
I was appalled that someone would post to this group that way.  There are
others where that type of humor(?) would be appropriate.  On the other hand,
this is an open forum; we are all free to read and post.  When someone is
obnoxious, I just ignore.  When I posted about my daughter being in danger
I received a number of supportive messages and 3 that were dreadful.  These
were to my email account rather than the group.  I deleted the dreadful ones
realizing there's always going to be some smartass with a warped sense of 
humor who thinks other peoples problems are to poke fun at, right!

On the other hand, there are some really caring, helpful people out in email
land and we should be grateful.  Sometimes being so close to a problem gives
us narrow vision, and other peoples viewpoints/opinons broaden our horizons
so alternatives become visible.

In otherwords, just ignore the assholes.
 
Deb
dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu

Newsgroups: alt.support
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: Beastiality
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:37:01 GMT

In article <By158B.uM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>janet@ntmtv.UUCP reacts:
>
>>In article <Kane.3.0@Xanadu.com>, Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
>>|> Recently I've come to terms with my animal lust. I was at home sodomizing my 
>>|> cat when my wife arrived home early from her therapy. We were considering 
>>|> divorce but thanks to a robbery at gunpoint and lots of anger, we are now 
>>|> able to work out our problems by writing them down and electronically 
>>|> distributing them to strangers.
>>|> 
>>|> Thanx for listening, assholes.
>>|> 
>>|> 						
>>
>>I think we all know who the *REAL* asshole is.....ASSHOLE!!!
>
>
>It is certainly interesting seeing how we all just REact to this
>individuals juvenile posting. I am not singling you out Janet...your
>reaction is similiar to 90% of the others.
>
>Just ignore this person, how much can he/she really comprehend
>considering the state of mind exhibited by such a post in this group?

Steve,

Whether the person who posted the article understands much of anything
is irrelevant.  Surely you understand how much fun there is in a tart
reply.  People who post seriously here get considered responses.  When
an idiot posts, all bets are off.  Let us have our fun where we can get
it.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:14:54 GMT


Hmmm....it may be a matter of perspective. *I* look great in brights, black,
and white, and I'm frequently frustrated with BBW because I see so many muted 
colors, browns and animal prints. (I love animal prints, but I wish leopards
came in strawberry pink! :-) )  I do think they go overboard most of the time
with the glitz, though, but that's mostly around holiday time. Again, I think
BBW's problem is that they're so uneven. What they show varies quite a bit
from season to season and issue to issue. I agree, though, that I haven't seen
much lately that I'd wear anywhere in my real life.

You have to remember, though, that that's their perspective. They've always
said they focused on high fashion for larger women. If you choose to step out
of that particular rat-race, you may not be interested. However, for a long
time there hasn't even been a thought of high fashion for large women. I tend
to think there are a lot of women out there who are into that, and very happy
to see it in BBW. I suspect that there are a larger number of, hm, alternative
women on the Net -- women who are in college, sciences, etc. We have a
different set of needs and tastes than some mainstream women.

In a way, you can look at it poisitively, in that the field of large-size 
clothing is getting big and complicted enough to support different tastes and
needs, and too big to be covered by one magazine. Unfortunately, we still only
have one that's basically dedicated to fashion, and that's BBW. So until there
are many other choices, I try to take it with a grain of salt and use the 
resources and photos, and get my real nourishment from Radiance (and other
sources like this newsgroup).

You can't really blame a poodle for not being a Labrador retriever.

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
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Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:15:17 GMT

marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:

>years ago! I ought to go find it....I also have one that says "You too can
>have a body like mine." First positive comments I can remember on being 
>large...

Um, be careful with that slogan. Maybe I'm being oversensitive, but it seems
to me that it perpetuates the notion that we big folk are simply little folk
who've made some sort of choice or non-choice. It's just not true that anyone
can be fat, any more than that anyone can be thin. It may be easier right now
for most people to get "fat", but I think that's more because of people's
strange concept of what constitutes "fat", and the differences among fat, 
tall, naturally big, and out-of-shape not being well-recognized.

My concept of size positive consists of respect and celebration of all sizes 
and shapes -- not just little OR big. Forgive me for bringing up dogs again, 
but I hope we can love different sizes and shapes of people the way we do dogs.
I like pugs, chows, greyhounds, shelties, terriers, and lots of other kinds;
it would be silly to judge mastiffs in a show by the conformation standards
of Yorkshire terriers, and most people wouldn't think of hating one only 
because it didn't look like the other (personal preference is a different 
matter). Hmm, I've gone on a lot longer than I'd planned....

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/


Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: A few thoughts and opinions on BBW and Radiance
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:15:33 GMT

avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:

>there definitely are such classes. I even recall a film by a Boston group
>clled the Boston Fat Liberation which was about the possibilities of
>body-building for large women.

Yow! I realize it's a long shot, Avery, but do you have any more info about
that group, or know where I can find it?

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/
From: beh@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (various Howellses)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:40:52
Organization: Internet access via the Free Software Foundation
	<BEH.92Nov18205222@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <98352@netnews.upenn.edu>
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In-reply-to: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 15:08:19 GMT


Depends on your size.  Silhouetts has some nice things, and there are
plenty of large-sized providers of wedding gowns if you're looking to spend
the normal amount for a wedding gown plus some (upwards of $700).  You
should get a Bride Magazine, and look specifically for the large-sized
providers, then look where they might sell their gowns in your area... or
try the yellow pages.  I was surprised when I checked out the yellow pages
in the Boston area.

I, however, did something a little more to my style for my wedding gown.
We were having a slightly off-the-wall situation anyway, and so I went to a
fabric store, found the fabric and the general pattern I couldn't live
without, and then went to a great seamstress.  We consulted for awhile and
she made some adjustments in style, and I ended up with a cloud pink (the
most pale pink you can imagine) confection with a white lace-covered
bodice, tea-length, low-cut back, and very-well fitted dress I could have
ever wanted.  The material was very thin taffeta.

I recommend having something else made before you have your wedding dress
done, however, so you can get to know your seamstress well...

--N
--
If it's me, it's not the other one.  If it's the other one, it's not me.
But then again, we're basically one and the same... oh bother, we're
--Various Howellses (Bruce and/or Nancy)
beh@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Health
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:45:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Just went to the doctor today ... I'm a shade over 200 pounds, and my
blood pressure is 117 over 70.  8-)  Take THAT, medical industry!

I'm reading my first issue of Radiance ... very interesting.  It's making
me mad, much like my first issue of Ms. did.  I've since dropped Ms., but
am appreciating the new form of concsiousness-raising I'm experiencing
through Radiance.  There's definitely an "ain't gonna let nobody push me
around" mentality there ... kind of refreshing.


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:33:56 GMT

marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:

>In article <97870@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>One beef, though this one isn't with BBW per se:  Why is most clothing for
>>large women in super-bright colors with bold geometric patterns?  I look
>>lousy in that stuff. 

>Yes, yes, yes! I look like death warmed over in "jewel tones" and that 
>unholy trio of colors, mustard, eggplant, and olive. Unfortunately, that 
>seems to be the majority of what they've been showing for larger women 
>for the past few seasons, and in drop waist styles....something I can't 
>wear, either.

I need warm colors although I do like bright colors.  I don't wear white
at all well and it seems like everything has at least a white background.

>I wish they've have more *variety* - leave some of the current stuff for
>people who can wear it and who do look good in it, and have some alternatives
>for those of us who can't. This way, we could all have what we look good in,
>and the clothing manufacturers would sell more.

This has been my experience, too.  My selection tends to be pretty narrow
in most stores.  I have finally found a couple of places where I can
often find things that suit me.  Friday I *discovered* stirrup pants with
long overshirts.  I had been avoiding them because I had not been able to 
find any that were anywhere near my shape and size.  I finally found the 
petite sizes for short, round ladies and began trying on outfits made up 
of these incredible, rich, warm colors.  I walked out of the store $200 
poorer and 4 outfits richer.  Plus the outfits will mix and match up to 
8 combinations.  I have worn three of those outfits since Friday.  I had
dates Saturday and Sunday which *required* a new outfit for each :-]. 
Each day I have gotten many compliments on how nice *I* looked, not that
it was a great outfit.  When *I* look wonderful, I know this is the right
outfit for me.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: A few thoughts and opinions on BBW and Radiance
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:14:02 GMT

marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

>>body-building for large women.

>Yow! I realize it's a long shot, Avery, but do you have any more info about
>that group, or know where I can find it?

>Marty

I'd have to tap a few waists to track down that info again, but I'll see
what I can find out.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BEH.92Nov18205222@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> beh@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (various Howellses) writes:

>And what about a wedding/formal wear catalogue that coes up to sizes higher
>than 22-24?

How does one go about getting that catalogue?  I suspect I'm going to be
in the market for a wedding dress before too long, and would like to know
how I would go about looking for a large-size one.  Any suggestions would
be most helpful.



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:23:47 EST
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW

In article <1992Nov17.022426.19643@netcom.com>, marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) says:
>
>Yes, yes, yes! I look like death warmed over in "jewel tones" and that
>unholy trio of colors, mustard, eggplant, and olive.

I've always been fascinated by the colors thing.  I happen to look
great in "mustard, eggplant, and olive," but horrible in "jewel tones."
You may as well forget about pastels, too, where I'm concerned.
Frankly, I'd rather we were still back in the "safari look" of some
years ago.  1986-1987 was the only time of my life to date in which I
was able to buy clothes I loved and have it be fashionable.  (Heck,
in 1987 even my *hair* was fashionable.)
This is not to say that I'd rather it were still 1987, of course.
1987 may have been a fashion coup, but there were lots of other things
wrong with that year.  :-)

There is a store at the mall I go to, "Brooks," which has *never*
looked appealing to me, despite the fact that many of my friends
shop there.  (Or at least, they used to shop there when one of them
worked there so we all got advance notice of sales and other perks.)
Occasionally, they even come out of that store with something I
like and look good in.  The colors in the window are such an amazing
turn-off that I just *look* at the store and "know" there's nothing
for me in it.

-Sonja
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Lyons??
Keywords: Great Shapes, Exercise, Pat Lyons
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:10:02 GMT

Also, to relay from the South Bay NAAFA Newsletter

"Four to six of us continue to meet every Saturday morning at the Shoreline
 Park Boathouse in Mountain View, or Lake Elizabeth Boathouse in Fremont.
 We walk around the beautiful park area and sometimes go out to lunch
 afterwards. The air is fresh and clean and there is always someone who
 will match your pace to walk with. About once a month we change the direction
 or location of the walk so be sure to call the Friday before (after 5pm pls)
 to let Jaclin know you're planning to join them. Call (408) 734-0852."

Jaclin Brutzlaff has been holding these Saturday morning walks for awhile.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Health
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:16:16 GMT

In article <98383@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>Just went to the doctor today ... I'm a shade over 200 pounds, and my
>blood pressure is 117 over 70.  8-)  Take THAT, medical industry!

I don't mean to be unsupportive, really I don't, but does anyone besides
me see a flaw in the logic of statements like this?  My sister is grossly
obese (300+) and I was close to that.  Both of us have cholesterol levels 
and blood pressures that you normally expect in healthy people.  But...we 
are both relatively young (20s-30s).

I'm not sure which is more correct--that one can be fat and healthy, or
that the health risks of obesity accumulate over a lifetime.  I mean, to me
this sounds a bit like a teenager who said "hey look, a pack of cigs a day 
and my lungs are still clear!"

I don't advocate that everyone struggle their whole life to be thinner
than they can be.  But I'm not sure it's safe to assume that one's health
isn't compromised by obesity because we're healthy at a relatively young age.

Just something to think about (and flame me to a crisp-fried, crackly-crunch
I suppose).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:56:41 GMT

In article <98352@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>How does one go about getting that catalogue?  I suspect I'm going to be
>in the market for a wedding dress before too long, and would like to know
>how I would go about looking for a large-size one.  Any suggestions would
>be most helpful.

When one of my best friends was married last year, I got a chance to look at
bridal magazines in detail :-). I noticed that although they have thin models,
if you read the fine print a lot of the styles do go up to a 24 or 26. There
was also at least one maker that specialized in dresses for large women. I'm
sure they're in the latest "Modern Bride" magazine, or something similar.
-- 
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"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."                                     mlb@cisco.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Irony
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:09:42 GMT

I was looking through the K-Paul's catalog last night, and
noticed that the T-shirts only come in S-XL.  Maybe Paul
just looks big on TV...
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Population Study
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

Does anyone have a grip on what the percentages of men-vs-women who 
read this group are?  I'm relatively new and would like to get and 
idea.

Ted

-- 
"I'm just stating my views, Now you can choose,
 What do you feel, Is it for real this time."  -Kerry Livgren                   
	krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW/fat buttons ... and some ideas
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:39:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bxz9qz.BGq@akix.uucp> sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul) writes:

>This must be the weekend for "stepping out" a little.
>For me, that means just barely being able to ask a clerk
>to help me find a book on "fat acceptance" but I did it.

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Buying jeans
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:09:25 GMT
Organization: Coordinating Centers For Biometric Research, University of Minnesota

In article <Bxx9q2.DtD@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>If anyone is interested, I have a brochure from an organization called Rump
>Parliament that has order forms for several fat acceptance/FA acceptance 
>buttons, as well as a newsletter. If y'all want, I'll post the address and
>some of the slogans.
>
>Marty
>
>
Yes, please do!

Jill