HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: STOP Spreading Jewish Stereotypes!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:49:06 GMT

In article <9212171534.AA08486@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
>
>	Well, I pointed out to Mr. Kotler in email that posting private
>mail to Usenet is in violation of etiquette and policy, along with the
>personal opinion that he might try to lighten up a bit.
>
>	I got mail back that contained a cited copy of my mail followed
>by 16 repititions of "Fuck you."
>


Then, why are you posting his "private" answer to your "private" mail
here?



>	Mr. Kotler is not stable, in my opinion.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Not by a long shot.  Mail like that is grounds for account removal; I
> should know, I'd nuke one of my users for it."

AAP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:42:57 GMT

mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:


>Is it a coincidence that Marge Schott is from Cincinatti?


>--Mark

Probably.  Is she originally from Cincinatti?
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
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From: lexier@fraser.sfu.ca (Mr. Spock)
Subject: Happy Chanuka!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:48:29 GMT



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          MERRY CHRISTMAS
                 AND                            HAPPY CHANUKAH
          A HAPPY NEW YEAR


     From Lyle Lexier (Mr. Spock)

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|lexier@fraser.sfu.ca | for his/her race, sex, or sexual orientation.          |
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Recipes in general
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:25:03 GMT

jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:

> If you want Hannukah traditions, just fry it in oil, anything fried in
> oil has symbolic significance.  French fries (home made), sweet-and-sour
> chicken (battered, deep fried chicken lumps, served with a sweet-and-sour
> sauce with stir fried vegitables over rice), deep fried jelly doughnuts,
> ...

Okay.  Quick, without checking a dictionary!  What't the singular form
of sufganiot?  (For a bonus, throw in `ugiot.)

-Don Gertler
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messianics and us?
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Dec15.193716.19110@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

    Gideon Ehrlich writes:

Um, I think you misattributed that.  Just slightly.

    Evangelize them to observe the Seven Mitzvot...
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Maccabee names
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:59:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

em@cvs.rochester.edu (Ethan Montag) asked in
<1992Dec10.153711.28839@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>:

| Everyone knows Judah Maccabee.  What are the names of his brothers?

In birth order, the sons of Mattityahu ben Yochanan haChashmoni were

Yochanan haqQaddshi (John Gaddis)
Shim`on hatTassi (Simeon Thassi)
Yhudah hamMakhbi (Judas Maccabaeus)
'El`azar haChorani (Eleazar Avaron)
Yonatan havVaphsi (Jonathan Apphus)
 
The name Vophsi occurs somewhere in TaNaKh; perhaps the copy of Maccabees
that I was perusing is mispointed, and Jonathan's title should have a
qamatz chatuph and a shva' nach rather than a qamatz rachav and shva' na`.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Cholov Yisrael
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6637]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:08:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164809.2111@midway.uchicago.edu> pab1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>>
>> [...]
>> We assume, of course that both the heksher and the expiration date
>> get checked at least once by all.
>
>This was brought on by a story about milk. 

From the context of the tongue-in-cheek postings by Matt and myself, I
found it odd to move to a semi-volatile issue.
>
>The reason I bring this up is that there is a disagreement regarding
>milk. While certain communities hold that milk requires heksher, that is,
>that milk be _cholov_Yisrael_, this is by no means required by _halacha_.
>There are many reputable Orthodox authorities who maintain that
>government regulations forbidding the mixture of cows' milk with other
>milk (esp. pig milk) are sufficient, and that additional rabbinic
>supervision is not necessary.
>
Unfortunately, this is not quite accurate. The Shulchan Aruch clearly
requires Cholov Yisrael. Reliance on Cholov Stam (government
supervised, as opposed to Cholov Akum, non-Jewish, milk) comes from a
ruling of Rav Moshe Feinstein,z"l, which was limited to milk and to
young children, for health purposes. It has been expanded out of
context.

>I believe that the standard explanation by those who insist upon only
>_cholov_Yisrael_ is that they are driven by fear of G-d rather than
>fear of government. While this is a legitimate argument, one must not
>forget that those who do not hold by _cholov_Yisrael_ nevertheless
>are NOT in violation of _kashrus_ for this.
>
I've never heard the fear of G-d vs. fear of government argument. On a
spiritual level, non-cholov Yisroel is said to cause tumtum halev, a
deadening of sensitivity. However, the only reason for cholov Yisroel
I've heard is it's a clear din in the Shulchan Aruch.

Also, one should note that those who keep glatt can use non-glatt
utensils. If one keeps cholov Yisroel, however, according to halacha,
non-cholov Yisroel utensils are not to be treated as kosher.

>Please note that this applies only to milk, but not to milk products
>such as cheese and yogurt. It also only applies in places where
>government supervision is known to be reliable, such as the USA. Foreign
>milk, in the absence of additional necessary information, must not be
>used. This is especially important for travelers to know.
>
This, of course, is correct and extremely important. If all users of
cholov Stam limited themselves to Rav Feinstein's psak, the
controversy wouldn't exist. But when cheese, yogurt, ice cream, etc.,
suddenly become milk, in violation of the Shulchan Aruch and Rav
Feinstein's psak, then the trouble begins.

>
>-----------------------
>Paul A. Braier
>pab1@quads.uchicago.edu

BTW, youWs was a good, thought-provoking post. I hope it stimulates the
the discussion it deserves. SCJ needs more such.


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:36:42 GMT

In <1992Dec10.150953.22158@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

    Numbers? Interconfessional marraiges are prohibited in Israel anyway,
    as I understand it. But who needs marriage? Will there be a law
    preventing Jews and Moslems cohabiting?

I understood the proposed law to have prohibited interconfessional
cohabitation.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Joke to say to the missionaries
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:30:14 GMT

In article <11DEC199222321797@utkvx3.utk.edu> egw@utkvx3.utk.edu (Wolpert, Edward Greenwal) writes:
>I heard this from a student in a Hebrew Class...
>	How may Christains does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>Answer(Holding up three fingers): One.
>	[P.s. The missionaries I've told it to never seem to get it.]  :)
>	Edward Wolpert

To which the astute missionary would reply, "Yes, the 3 fingers are all
part of the same ONE hand."  =B^)

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From: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:10:16 GMT

All right... I hate to be the one to ask, but my
knowledge of Jewish culture is generally limited to Conservative
Judaism, so: what's a misnagid?

I figure if I keep on asking every time I see a word I don't understand
on s.c.j, I'll be a bocher by the end of the year.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:52:20 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <livh54INN1u9@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>I send generic holiday cards to my non-Jewish friends who celebrate Xmas;

How about non-Jews who don't?  By the way, what is a generic holiday card?
I am very fond of cards saying just `Season's Greetings' or nothing at all,
but those are rare.

I am an atheist goy (or a goy atheist -- I don't know which sounds better),
and naturally many people take me for a Christian, which doesn't amuse me.

>I have no problem acknowledging that they're celebrating their
>holiday, just as I think it's thoughtful when they wish me Happy New
>Year at Rosh Hashana or Happy Holiday at Passover.

The only problem is that saying `Merry Christmas' is very likely to
provoke the automatic response `Merry Christmas to you too', so I've
stopped using it.  Instead, I say `Have a good holiday' or something
to that effect, or, if someone says `Merry Christmas' to me, I reply
by saying `and a Happy New Year'.

>Trying to find a card that is a) not explicitly religious and b) doesn't
>feature snow (since I live in California) is often challenging, though!

It is possible to find one such card, or any number of such cards sold
separately, in Edinburgh.  But if you don't want the season to ruin
you, you have to buy cards by the box, and any box of 30-40 cards
contains about four non-religious ones, about four highly Christian
ones, and the rest are mildly religious in that they say something
about Christmas (though not about God's love, blessing and stuff), to
which I usually add a few words about the New Year and my name.

There are also boxes labelled "Religious".  I've been looking for
boxes labelled "Secular".  No luck, alas.

Oh, and snow is just a symbol of the season.  I have no problem
sending out cards displaying heaps of snow, though there is hardly any
of it in Edinburgh at this time of the year.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Dec17.142838.79179@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> nwf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NICOLE WHITNEY FOX) writes:

>I might be completely wrong about this, but I vaguely recall my rabbi telling
>me that the pope contributes to this organization.  Of course, if he does then
>he does it in some backhanded way so that he doesn't draw attention to
>himself.

This looks like one for alt.folklore.urban.jewish.  Far be it from me
to doubt the voracity of a rabbi, but I imagine that aside from the
Pope being so sneaky that only this rabbi knows about his
contributions, I would not expect that the Pope would support a
non-Catholic mission.

P.S.  It is not necessary to tell me how to spell veracity.

Warren "SCJs for AFU" Burstein
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Jesus who? (was Re: Messianic Judaism)
Organization: Jews for Melkor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:39:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.151410.8051@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.143305.20681@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk
>(Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
>
>>Jewish writings such as the Talmud confirm that Jesus performed the
>>greatest miracles ever.
>
>This is also false.  I bet you've never even _seen_ a copy of one of the
>books of the Talmud and are doing no more than quoting what one of your
>Christian scholars would like you to believe.  

I knew a Chabadnik who said, "One difference between Yashka and
the Besht [R. Yisroel Baal-shem-tov, founder of Chassidism] is
that nobody was surprised to see the Besht walk on water."

Anyway, Yashka's miracles were bush-league compared to
Elisha's...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"We all have faults, and mine is being wicked."
                --- The Duke of Coffin Castle
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Johnson - who are you
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:19:31 -0600
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

johnson@itzb.com writes:

...
> would believe in Yeshu ben Dovid HaMelech.  But

Mr. Johnson:

Please send me e-mail, or post your address.

I'm suspicious that your comments are either a joke
or a psychology grad student's experiment.  Here's why:

1.  You have refused to provide a mail path, despite
    several posted requests.

2.  You use the name "Yeshu" yet claim to be a "Messianic Jew."
    The term "Yeshu" means either "erase his name and memory"
    or it refers to the various Yeshu folks in the Talmud,
    such as Yeshu haNotzri (ca. 150 BCE) or Yeshu Ben Stada,
    both of whom were rather notorious and unworthy of admiration.
    Nearly all the other Hebrew-Christians I've met use the names
    "Jesus," "Y'shua," or "Yeshua" to denote their man-god.

3.  If you really were interested in discussing Hebrew Christianity,
    you would do so in the alt.messianic group, which was created
    specifically for such a purpose.

Rob

-- 
--
Robert A. Levene     Internet: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu
  "/  //  / /"         Bitnet:   RXL1@APLVM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Re: The NYPD situation (was: Say it ain't so)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:16:58 GMT

jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>In article <BypM4v.9qv@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:

>>...clients of mine are in prison
>>right now, owing to police testimony and nothing else.

>If your clients have been tried and convicted, then they are in prison
>because of things that they have done, not because of police
>testimony.  Important point, that one.

But absolutely wrong [although a surprising admission of faith in
juries, coming from you].  The only evidence against them was police
testimony.  You want very much to make people believe that police
officers cannot, by their testimony alone, send people to jail.
You are very much wrong.  You would know this, if you had seen
my clients' trials or hearings.

>...police in the US work under very restrictive regulations and
>have to have their testimony and evidence reach extremely high
>standards.

You bet they do!  Our forebears fought a bloody revolution to make
sure this would be true.  I hope you are as grateful to them as I am.
What do you think happens when the police have judicial power?

>The acquittal of Lemrick Nelson demonstrates this.  

Like Hell.  Nelson's acquittal demonstrates that our society leaves
determinations of guilt to juries, not editors.
-- 
Stevens R. Miller J.D.
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: scj soap-opera(was Re: An open letter to David Skoll)
Date: 20 Dec 92 09:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Dec18.015317.13272@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

    I feel that all of this Andy vs. Skoll et. al. is like a soap-opera,
    and that nobody is getting anything good from it.

Now if it had some sex in it...
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
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From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:06:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.110530.27933@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli) writes:
> 
>     Hello,
> 
> I am very curious about three things and would appreciate if someone could
> bring light to them.
> 
> 
> 1) I was told by a muslim that a muslim can eat anything that is Kosher for
> a jewish person. Ias this true? If it is I am dumbfounded. Thinking that for
> a person (muslim) who regards another person ( a jew) as an arch enemy
> and than to claim that since the torah was actually correct at first and
> than corrupted that they can eat what you can. Do you find this utterly
> weird?
> 

I'm not a Muslim, nor am I an expert, but I have helped religious
Muslims find Kosher food in Central Jersey when there were no Halal
meat markets.  Halal requires ritual slaughter, prayer to Allah over
the meat, and absolutely no pork.  Kosher restrictions are more
restrictive than this and include them as a subset.  Very religious
Muslims may not consider the prayer to Allah part fulfilled and will
pray again over the meat before cooking.  I believe Muslims can eat
shell-fish, while this is treif, so halal meat may not be acceptable
to one who keeps kosher.

Many people are suprised that Islam is more similar to Judaism than
Christianity.  Judaism had a great influence on Mohammed and his
followers.

> 2) Have you read the book by Victor Ostrovsky " By way of deception" and
> what do you think of it?
> 
> 3) Is it true that in order to be a Jew, you must be born into it?
> 

No.  You can convert.  There are Jewish people who see converts
as outsiders because they don't have a religious perspective,
most religious people will accept converts as just Jews.
I believe this to be true of all branches of Judaism.
For marriage, some religious families do consider the lineage,
especially rabbinical families.

		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Deportation vs. Murder
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:44:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   There has been much talk about the deportations in the context
of their political significance.  I wonder why terrorist activity
and murders on the part of Arab terrorists aimed at Israelis, are
not regarded as politically significant?  There seems to be a bit
of a double standard here.

   A man is kidnapped.  A short time later, his body is found out
on the side of some road, dumped like a bag of garbage.  The body
indicates that he was bound and repeatedly stabbed to death.  The
murder was carried out by an organization sworn to kill Jews.  It
is a terrorist organization with hundreds of members.  They swear
an oath to try to kill Israelis whenever and however they can.

   They are rounded up and booted out of the area.  They received
money and clothing, and then were shown the door.  This eviction,
this kicking out of terrorists is being proclaimed as cruel.  But
there has been not one word of protest from a single humanitarian
or human rights group about kidnapping an innocent man, tying him
up, and repeatedly stabbing him to death.  Why does the world say
nothing about this act, but moans about the eviction of those who
have sworn themselves to perform such acts?

  Have you 'humanitarians' no standards?  Are you so biased as to
give tacit approval to such a torturous and sadistic murder?  Why
do you care more about the murderers than you do the victim?  Are
you indifferent to bloodshed if the blood being shed is Jewish?

   Jews are also human beings.  Many of you may not think so, but
we are.  Is it acceptable to kidnap someone, bind him, and murder
him by repeatedly stabbing him, if he is a Jew?  Mr. Toledano did
not ever kill anyone.  He was not a murderer.  But he was killed.
He was butchered like a piece of cattle.  And yet you who yell at
the world about the eviction of people sworn to commit such acts,
you say nothing about this man's death.

   The concept of human rights is one that should apply to people
universally.  Furthermore, if one considers deporting a person to
be worse than murdering a person, one has a distorted view of the
severity of these to actions.  Would YOU rather be given clothing
and money, and be kicked out.., or would you rather be kidnapped,
tied in rope from head to toe, and be knifed to death?
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