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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:11:51 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>>I usually ride alone, mostly for the exercise.  Occasionally I'll
>>have someone come up and start drafting me for a while, and recently
>>I've tried a little drafting myself.  My question is, what are the
>>conventions and etiquette for this activity (if any)?

>I was riding to work the other day (about 25km) with a bit of a
>headwind when someone started drafting me. He followed for about half
>an hour and then passed me (nearly hitting a car!) and rode off.

We can do without lazy bastards who suck off other riders for that long,
then when they're nice & rested just blast past. 
Ettiquete dictates that riders share the work (ie the front). How long
really depends: two equally matched riders into a headwind say 1 minute.
But if one is much stronger, then he should take a longer turn. It doesn't
take a lot of experience at this to sort out relative strengths.
Usually with small groups, the riders know each other & their strengths,
& will soon poke borax at anyone not doing a fair share.
Of course, none of the above applies to racing, where any sort of activity
which makes your opponents work harder & gives you an easy time is called
'tactics' :)

>Having someone riding so close to me was quite unsettling as I am not
>at all used to it. I normally ride quite defensively, braking early
>for potential hazards and the like, and was worried that one of these
>maeuvers would have him hitting me.
>As I was uncomfortable with it I probably should have just stopped and
>forced him to pass. Oh well.

Right. If you're not comfortable, avoid it. On the other hand, it's quite
normal and you could try it yourself sometime with someone you know. There
is always a possibility that if the front person brakes suddenly the rear
one will run into him, the idea is not to do that :) You may take some
small consolation from the generalisation that usually it's the rear rider
who falls off when this sort of collision occurs (his front wheel gets
knocked sideways).  Normally, the other
rider would see the hazard if it's big (eg a car) too, & anticipate your
actions. Rocks/wood/potholes are harder to see, but the front rider has time
to ease around them, & point them out to following riders. This is done by
pointing *towards* the hazard, not as is done by some triatheletes, who
point in the direction they are moving to avoid it, which is the exact
opposite. 

-- 
Graeme Moffat                g.moffat@aukuni.ac.nz \ Time wastes us all, 
Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: kevin@kentek.com (Kevin Graboski 806 1032)
Subject: How do I make by stationary trainer not so loud?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:48:33 GMT
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

I have a Performance PeakLoad stationary trainer with mag resistance (purchased
in '90). Does anyone know any tricks to reduce the overall noise output? I am
especially (sp?) concerned with the amount of noise/vibration passed through to 
the apartment below mine.

Any advice greatly appreciated.
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:40:01 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <likljvINN7hr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>He will probably kill me for doing this, but, since I was one of the
>instigators(it sounds like conspirators should be more appropriate) of
>the split, I don't want to leave anybody high and dry.
>
>Please send E-mail to David C. Lawrence at tale@uunet.uu.net
>David is in charge of sending out the information for creating
>the new newsgroups.

The newgroup creation info was sent out a long time ago.  If your site has
not created the new groups, you need to talk to the system admin, news admin,
or consultants and find out why.  Some sites setup news once and let it
run on autopilot after that.  Even if your site missed the creation control
messages, your news admin should be able to create the newsgroups without
it (unless he/she is completely clueless).

David Lawrence won't be able to do much for you other than tell you what
I did in the previous paragraph.


Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: hal@netcom.com (Hal Wine)
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.034004.23448@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>I've tried a little drafting myself.  My question is, what are the
>conventions and etiquette for this activity (if any)?

I don't have a lot of experience, but the main bit of etiquette is to
keep the communication flowing.  When the puller is ready to rest, and
the traffic is clear, s/he shifts to the left and slows down to let
the new folks go buy.  (The trick is to not slow down too much so you
can easily swing in behind the last rider.)

If you do get seperated too much from the person in front of you, call
out "rider(s) off".  If the line is friendly, they'll ease up a bit to
allow you to catch up, when you can call out "rider(s) on".  Of
course, if you fall off too often, it'd be polite to find a slower
line...

When the whole line needs to react, it's helpful to call out something
appropriate, like "stopping!" as you approach that one rural signal
light that just turned yellow...

I got educated in this the first time I was in a pace line, as it was
part of one of the local club's "novice rides".  Many club rides and
other organized rides will let you know how they do things.  It's a
great way to meet other cyclists and learn about techniques and
skills.
-- 
Hal Wine
Internet: hal@netcom.com		Compuserve: 72267,3346
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne)
Subject: Re: I think you mind find this funny
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:55:59 GMT

In article <450@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.221326.28692@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>>
>>I assume that the U-lock was through the front wheel and the frame (around
>>the down tube) as I have seen all over the place.  That would make it more
>>than a little difficult to remove the front wheel.
>>
>	NOPE! The U-lock was JUST through the front wheel.  

I can beat that.  While I was at the library one day, I saw a nice looking
bike locked to the rack outside.  It had a U-lock, but it was locked around
the front fork.  That's right, not even through the wheel, but just around
the fork.  Add to this the fact that it had a quick-release front tire, and
what you have is a bike free for the taking, in about 10 seconds of no-tool
work.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Brilliant!! (Was Freedom, Social Respons....)
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:11:01 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   12 Dec 92 17:32:05 EST
>FROM:   x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
>
>>Move over, Mel Brooks. The 10,000 Year Old Man has company:
>>the 250 Year Old Young Republican.
>
>>--Michael Smith
>
>Wow!  This is the most well thought out and intelligent response 
>I've heard in a
>long time. (GEEEZ!!!)   

I do hope not. I would claim, at any rate, that it was worthy of the 
trite sophomorism of the original post.

--Michael Smith
From: kronos@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:13:27 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

> In article <1992Dec12.144428.16079@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R
> Pennell) says:
> >
> >tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
> >: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
> >: >Better yet, kill the other groups and restore this one.  It was a lot mor
> >:
> >: I second the motion.
> >
> >I third it
> 
> I did not vote for the split, (but I didn't vote against, and I'm now
> paying for my apathy) and would fourth this...BUT...
> 
> 1) usenet guidlines require a 6 month waiting period between any
>    reorganizing vote and the next (it hasn't been long enough since
>    the split to bring up the topic officially).
> 2) The discussion MUST take place in the right news.* group, so if and
>    when we are ready to do this right, we have to do it there.

I don't understand the logic of the reorganization. It would make more
sense to me if the newgroups followed the same lines as the general
bike community, i.e. roadies, mountain bikers, touring, plus the regular
miscellaneous group for everything else under the sun. The 
social issues newgroup seems kind of ridiculous since everyone puts in
their two bits about these issues wherever they feel like it.

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ kronos@cyberden.uucp ]
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Where to get MT.Bike .GIF files???
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:30:31 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi netters,

Anybody know where I can get any nifty .GIF files of mt. biking in general? 
I've pretty much drained the draco site......although I haven't been able to
decompress the .jpg files.  Does someone know how I might do that?

Thanks,

-Mike-
From: Mike@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Mike)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Happy Holidays
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:44:02 -0500

BR>today is my last day of work this year!  And I just wanted to say

BR>Happy Holidays Everyone!!!!

Last day of work!!!!!!!! You lucky thang!!!   Best wishes over the
holidays to you and yours also.

 * SLMR 2.1a *      Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Using a Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour XC Pro Derailleur
Keywords: Shimano and Suntour, Shifting, Gears
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:24:12 GMT

In <1992Dec17.064926.22202@colorado.edu> apuzzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tony Apuzzo) writes:

>Along those same lines, how about a Sachs or Mavic or ??? with a
>MicroDrive Deraileur?  I am sick and tired of breaking MicroDrive
>cogs.  I'm looking for a reasonably tough, smooth 32 spoke hub
>(Comparable to XC-Pro or XT) that will take a seven speed 12-26 or
>12-28 freewheel or cassette with SunTour spacing.

You could get the non-MicroDrive XC-Pro cassette hubs, which
take standard SunTour cassette cogs.  The cogs cost less than
MicroDrive, come with SunTour spacing (whether you need it or
not), and have Grease Guard just like the MicroDrive version.

Standard-size SunTour cassettes are available in a lot more
combinations than MicroDrive, too.  PowerFlo 7-speed comes in
12-28 and 12-30, and standard 7-speed comes in 12-19, 12-21,
12-24, 12-26, 12-32, and 13-28.  (I think there are really more
than this, but that's all Loose Screws lists.)  You can also get
individual cogs from 12 to 32 teeth.

Several mail order shops in Mountain Bike Action carry the
non-MicroDrive XC-Pro freehubs.  BikePro lists them at $109.99,
vs. $129.99 for MicroDrive.

Before you toss the MicroDrive, however, see about warranty
replacement.  I believe SunTour reported manufacturing defects in
early runs and will replace them free if they break.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20: Send POSTAL addr: Solid-Value@happy-man.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ae505@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank Krygowski)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:04:11 GMT


Effective Cycling instructors can be located through the League
of American Wheelmen, 190 W. Ostend St., Suite 120, Baltimore MD 21230
ph. (301) 539-3399

About the cyclist's death: such an incident is shocking and 
regrettable.  I certainly agree that the motorist must receive 
more than a sllap on the wrist.  And I feel sympathy for his family
and friends.

t is natural to feel fear when we hear of such an incident, especially
when the person is a friend.  But in fact, it really should do little 
to change our cycling behavior - provided our behaviour is correct
to begin with.  Because the frequency of such accidents is about
nil, am I right?  Especially if those involving darkness and un-
lighted cyclists are excluded.

The analogy with air travel is close.  Many fear flying, yet cheerfully
assume the far greater risks involved in driving equivalent distances.
Part of the explanation is the shock value of the news - whether 
received in a headline or in a BBS.

We need to remember that millions of cyclists are safely passed by 
billions of cars each day.  Take precautions, of course.  Lighting 
up like a Christmas tree (but with more wattage) is certainly 
reasonable.  But ride on.            Frank Krygowski  ae505@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,sci.med.nutrition
From: johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid)
Subject: Re: NEW wonderpill! (was: Re: Bananas vs. PowerBars)
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:51:18 GMT

young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.155209.13238@polaris.utu.fi> eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:

>[...]

>>The new MIX-VIT (tm) is made up of a sodium chloride heart surrounded by
>>a layer of glucose. All ingredients are 100% NATURAL with NO PRESERVATIVES
>>added. Five tablets daily of MIX-VIT (tm) will help you improve your diet!

>	Wonderful.  Just what the Western world needs: a pill that adds
>	salt and sugar to the diet.

100% Natural?? So is a cowpat.



>-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
--
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CP Software Export Pty Ltd,                 Phone  : +61 3 823 0222
19 Cato Street, Hawthorn 3123 Australia     Fax    : +61 3 824 8068
ACN 006 640 133
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.224808.27547@leland.Stanford.EDU> lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>In article <BzCrvF.KLn@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
>>RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
>>ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
>>the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
>>in road feel.
>>-Terry
>
>Hey, look at that!  I also ride Continental GP's, 700x25.  I think they're
>great tires.  So Terry and I ride the same road tires.  Now if we could just
>get him to ride rapidfire plus off road...
>Bill

Naw, he'd never ride with us PUNKS.

Flip


-- 
    __@  __@        Phillip "Flip" Russell  | Purdue University
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 (_)/---|/-(_)      The important things...
		  My bikes and my Macintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.soc
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Dave Harvey Speaks Out on Nipple Rash
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:39:25 GMT

dharvey@lemond.harvey.com (Dave "Hill" Harvey) writes:
>rabies. But instead of letting it get me down I turned that disease into
>a source of Personal Power. I won criteriums on that Varsity while pansies

Ah-hah!!!!  dharvey is really Tom Robbins in disguise.  Say "hi" to
Fran the Tark for me!!!

>like Jobst were sucking up the rear on their all-Campy Ciocc more-money-
>than-thighs Italianos.
>Personal from me to Jobst:
>Were you the guy that said...

Lucky for you it wasn't me...I carry a quiver of sticks which I throw
into wise-ass's spokes who comment negatively on my slow,
aero-helmet'd hot-lycra'd exotic custom framed Campy'd progress.

Bob "there are more obstacles than potholes on these roads" Geer
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: USCF 4 or 5
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:19:21 GMT

00jdcrouch@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
   I raced for two seasons (88-89) as a cat 4 rider, riding in well about
   25 crits and 5 road races of varying sizes. I had qualified on points
   to move to cat 3 when I was in a car/bike accident that put me out of 
   the sport for almost two years. Know I am considering getting back into
   the USCF scene. Do I have to enter as a cat 5 or can I get an upgrade
   based on my previous race exp.?   Thanks for replies

If you were not actually upgraded to Cat. 3 (i.e. you stopped as a 4),
then I believe that you will have the honor of restarting at Cat. 5.
Had you upgraded, you could restart as Cat. 4.
--
Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:20:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <shari.724599467@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard) writes:
>I found out last night that a friend of mine was in a serious accident
>involving a car on his way cycling to work yesterday morning.  He wasn't
>carrying any ID, and his identity wasn't known until about 5 pm. 
>..................
>Having ID wouldn't have stopped this, but it took a long time to find
>out who he was.  Luckily he was wearing a jersey from a local bike shop
>and through a description they figured out it was Dale.  If you go out
>riding, especially alone, bring *some* ID.  It doesn't weigh much.
>...........................
> Thanks for listening.
>
>Shari Bernhard
>uunet!modcomp!shari

I will second Shari's comments about making sure you have some sort of ID
with you when you are biking.

A few years ago my wife and I were leading one of the SAAGBRAW rides across
Wisconsin.  Unfortunately, on the first and hardest day, we had a 57 year old
man die of a massive heart attack.  (He was in nominally good shape and had
trained for the ride with cycling and running.  He had chosen the harder route
that day but was walking some hills because of cramps.  He finally rode one
hill, turned to his partner and said, "I made that one!" and fell over dead.
Later we found that he didn't like to visit doctors and may have had some
precondition.)

He was riding with someone he had met that day on the ride and that other
person only knew him by his first name, Harvey.  Harvey was not carrying any
ID.  (He had a wad of paper money stuffed in his shorts.)  We had a very
hard time trying to identify him.  Naturally, by this time rumors had
started among the other people on the tour, and everyone was hoping it was
not someone they knew.  So people were "bugging" us about who it was.

Please carry some sort of ID!

Ron Friedel



-- 
Ron Friedel
GeoSciences  UW-Milwaukee
rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: peter@helix.ObjecTime.on.ca (Peter Epstein)
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Organization: ObjecTime Limited
Distribution: bnr
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:48:51 GMT

In article <BzFIx6.IL5@cs.uiuc.edu>, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: 
|> Agreed. My wife and I have some Canadian friends who are here doing some
|> research and they are amazed at how many people go without medical treatment
|> or receive poor medical treatment in the U.S.  My wife is from Hawaii which
|> requires employers to purchase medical insurance for their employees so
|> most people are covered.  It's also cheaper for everyone becasue everyone pays.
|> Pretty pathetic situation whne you look at all the wealth in this country.

Since I live up here in Canada and have also lived in various U.S. states, I just
have to let all you Americans know that you're getting your money's worth in
medicine.  Sure, you spend a larger percent of GNP on medicine than we do up here
(not much more though).  However, I have to wait for 6 to 8 hours to get my hand
stitched up after slicing it up pretty bad, and I would have to wait for many
many months to get any kind of heart problems dealt with.  Also, there is the
"connections" game: the ultra rich and the politicials get preferential
treatment, and the top brass such as the prime minister and family go to the
state for important stuff.  I would have payed $400 to have my hand stitched up.
As it was, I had to wait so long that it was no longer possible to do the job,
so I now have a scarred hand.  The price you pay in the states corresponds to
the incredibly high value people rightfully place on their health.  So I say,
you get what you pay for.  I know that there are good and bad hospitals in
the states too, but you can choose the one you like, so the better ones will
have the money to expand and get even better.  Here all hospitals are bad
because they have no incentive to get better.

As a sometime commuter myself, the news of this accident will make my cautious
treks even more so.  I have festooned my bike with lights, but will now get
a mirror so I can see the devils before they get me (if I'm really lucky).
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly)
Subject: Re: Split support
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 02:41:23 GMT

In article <Bz7uCD.D3x@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>jfletche@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Justin Fletcher - CS) writes:

>So? What are you saying?  That we shouldn't complain becasue you don't like
>it?  Get real.         
>>Were the groups to be recombined, I would regretfully unsubscribe.  I like
>>this format - and would no longer have the patience to wade through all the
>>articles in one group.
>Bye.
>-Terry

I and many others wish that this group of hard core whiners would either
give up or propose a formal vote so this issue can be put to rest.

All of these "I told you so" posts are annoying and yield nothing.
If there is support to recombine then you will have no problem overturning
the restructuring.  You are currently wasting yours and many others time.


Dan

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