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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Picard remembers Starburst (minor TFD spoiler)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.204636.23645@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rvc40592@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Cadman) writes:
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>... did you notice how when Geordi told Picard about the
>valve (or whatever) being opened, Picard immediately knew exactly what
>it was they were doing?  Isn't that just a wee bit to convenient?  (I
>was also wondering if anyone remembered how long they said that 
>maneuver had been banned at the academy ... 100 years?)

  If Picard has actually immediately remembered the Starburst, that may indeed
have been a little too convienient, but that isn't necessarily what happened. 
When I heard Geordi (was it Data?  can't remember) announce that Wes had opened
his "coolant interlock" my first thought was "Oh, they were trying to do
skywriting in space."  Well, not being a Starfleet Academy graduate :), I
didn't take it any further than that.  But Picard could have come to a similar
conclusion and gone and looked it up in the computer, finding the Starburst.

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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Trek Uniforms New and Old (was:Bozeman Crew Not Stupid!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr7.170443.1223@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes...
>In article <mDsRiB5w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>>dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>Mini-spoiler (possibly) for Cause and Effect...
> 
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>>of the Enterprise-C, the uniforms were altered.  The turtleneck shirts
>>and the wide black belts with the circular buckles were eliminated.  The
>>resulting uniforms were *similar* to the ones worn in the movies, but
>>*not* the same.  Am I really the only person who has noticed this?
> 
> 
>No, I noticed it.  I thought it was an unecessary move to try and make
>the uniforms look different from St movie uniforms.  You might have also
>noticed that while the black belts were missing, the belt loopholes were
>still on the uniforms!  Being an alert viewer, this bothered me.  The
>'forms looked incomplete without at least the turtlenecks.  Kind of like
>buttoning a shirt up to the top and forgetting to wear a tie.
> 
     Yeah, without the turtlenecks and belts, they looked horrible,
     didn't they?  I thought it was an attempt to show a slow demilitarization
     (Roddenberry HATED the military-formal style of the TWOK-forward
     uniforms - naturally) of Starfleet...  Or maybe turtlenecks and
     belts just cost a lot of money...?


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From: mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu (Mark A. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: A Data Comment (SPOILERS New Ground)
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:03:54 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


	I was just watching New Ground and Data made a comment that I missed
the first time around.  I find it rather amusing coming from our precise
android:
	Every nanosecond we witness in this continuum is a moment in history
once it has elapsed.

	Since when did one moment = one nanosecond ?? :-)

I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
    -- McCoy, "The Final Frontier,"  stardate 8451.1.

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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:14:01 GMT

In article <31597@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>>>I'm
>>>not sure I understand Berman et al's reasoning that all TNG season
>>>enders _must_ be cliffhangers.  If ya don't have one, why force one? 
>
>They're running out of script ideas.  They end the season with a
>cliff-hanger whose conclusion is not yet written, and then they read
>the newsgroup over the summer for story ideas.  :-)

Or they're pulling another UNIFICATION: take 30 minutes of plot and
stretch it out into two hours.


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  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar 28. - Apr 3.
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Spoilers** Cause & Effect New goof
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 21:10:29 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:

> In article 4016, braun@oswego.Oswego.edu writes:
> 
> >at the end, Picard asks Work to check the Starbase time-code.

> It's Leiutenant WORF, not Work.

It's Lieutenant, not "Leiutenant".


Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:5117 rec.arts.startrek.tech:2712
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers ST: TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:39:46 GMT

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <CYBE5WE@taronga.com> bguillot@taronga.com (B.J. Guillot) writes:

[no real spoilers, so Ctrl-L removed]

>>*  We'll be seeing more of Michelle Forbes, as Ensign Ro Larren, next
>>   year.

>Another yawn. TNG may not be a 'soap in space', but they're sure starting
>to stoop to a lot of soap opera gimmicks.

Whoa, whoa.  Having a continuing supporting character is a soap opera
gimmick?  Boy, that's a new one...

Tim Lynch
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: hinged doors at SFA
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:16:26 GMT
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Nothing I'd consider spoilers, so I won't be putting in a ^L...

The Wes episode was all right, but I had one problem with it...

Why the hell were there HINGED doors at SFA???

I figured they must have gone out of style AT LEAST 100 years before that
(Kirk even had sliding doors on his ship waaaaaaaaay back then... this seems
analagous (sp) to us having 100-year old technology these days.  I don't see
people in dorms with abacuses (abaci?)

minor spoiler:


Also, I think they should have focused more on Boothby... as it was he was kinda wasted.

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From: apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:47:48 GMT

In article <4N97iB2w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman) writes:
>
>You have an odd concept of what makes a good pilot.  Good pilots don't
>take needless risks, or bully others into doing the same.  They don't
>get their teammates killed just to inflate their own egos.  The next
>time you board an airliner, do you want a reckless hotdog like Locarno
>at the controls?

Airliner?  We're not talking about ability to assauge passengers' fears, we're
talking about the physical ability to fly a whatever.  The Starburst had
been performed successfully in the past by cadets, just some had gotten killed
trying to do so(interesting note:  100 years ago, there weren't transporters.
Nova squadron would have all died)
>> Then explain why Picard says he would become a legend had he pulled it off
>> in front of the assembled audiences for commencement.
>
>Picard didn't say that.  He said that Locarno wanted to go out in a
>blaze of glory.  Well, he very nearly went out in a blaze of drive
>plasma.

Slightly paraphrased, but "It would have thrilled the assembled audiences and
he would have left the academy a living legend."

Andy Pearlman
From: JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Throat 9
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:18:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

The audience got a chuckle this past weekend at a Con in
Pennsylvania, with John deLancie.  He accidentally said:
"Deep Six Nine"

-Jennifer
From: matt@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Matthew G. Kile)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:41:58 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

The Enterprise was stuck in a time loop caused by the explosion of their
ship.  They were stuck in this loop for around 17 days.  Was the Bozeman
stuck in a loop for 80 years, or did they jump forward in time, then get      
stuck for 17 days like the Enterprise?  The Enterprise jumped time because
they exploded.  Why did the Bozeman jump in the first place?
                               

Matt Kile - Unisys - ECDC, Tredyffrin, PA
From: jeff@zariski.harvard.edu (Jeffrey Rosenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Thoughts on First Duty : Minor SPOILERS
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:45:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.214536.10821
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

Minor spoilers about First Duty ...


In article <HROSE.92Apr7123855@rocza.eff.org> hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>
> Martin> == Martin B. Zimmerman <mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu> 
>
> Martin> 1) Why not call a female superior Ma'am? I do not feel that
> Martin> this a derogitory remark or any attempt to say that she is less
> Martin> than a male superior.
>
>If I was the female superior in question, I would request to be called
>"sir". I don't see anything wrong with Ma'am but I believe it should be
>the individual in question's choice. Admiral Brand seemed like a very
>sir-like woman to me. :-)

Actually, the use of "sir" rather than "ma'am" is a nice bit of continuity.
In the movies ST III and ST IV (?), Lt. Savik (sp?) is consistently refered
to as "sir" also.  I think the implication is that the word "ma'am" has simply 
died away, and only the word "sir" remains.  This seems fair enough to me.  
In fact, I am constantly bothered by how LITTLE language has changed in 300-400 
years!  But anyway, it has nothing to do with "masculin women", IMHO.

 - Jeff  (jeff@math.harvard.edu)
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More Cause & Effects and where Bozeman went. (Argh!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:40:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.154031.14457
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.200952.5726@nic.unh.edu> rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:
>In article <28600@brahms.udel.edu> roby@brahms.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>
>>Now for equally important discussion...
>>If a tree falls in the forest and there is noone there, does it make 
>>a sound?
>>
>How about: If a tree falls on DeForest and there is noone there, does he make
>a sound.

Sure.  He starts singing "Row, row, row your boat".

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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Keywords: Calculus Academy FIRST DUTY
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
> >hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
> >
> >> I think there are several academies, one on earth, another on vulcan, etc.
> >> This would explain why most of the cadets were human, and why the 
> >> gardener personally knew all of them (which would be impossible if that 
> >> one academy supplied all the officers for the entire fleet.)
> >
> >The gardener didn't know all of them.  Piccard was a special case.  When
> >Wesley left for the Academy, Piccard told him to look up the gardener,
> >saying he's the wisest man there, or something to that effect.  I got
> >the impression that it wasn't standard practice for cadets to befriend
> >the gardener.
> 
> Boothby also said he knew all those on the team, which seems to imply a
> rather small university.

Actually, it implies a small team.

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk  (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:52:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: bnlux1.1992Apr7.125234.23786
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Apr5.001453.27100@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.233345.26121@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v112j497@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (James Brognano) writes...
>>

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>>	It almost seems that Lacarno's character is modelled after James
>>Kirk.  The Producer's seem to be suggesting that Starfleet officers with 
>>Kirk's attributes have no place in TNG and that officers with Picard's
>>qualities are what the Federation really needs.  Sorry if this was 
>>discussed before, if not, let the debate begin...

I think you're reading too much into the episode.  Lacarno was used as a
"loayalty divider" if you will, not an example of how James Kirk dosen't
make it in the Next Gen Universe.

>
>     Agreed here.  That's why I'm having so much trouble seeing why
>     a lot of posters are panning Locarno.  He's obviously the
>     fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants type that Kirk embodies and TNG's
>     take on the character very clearly says, "This is what happens
>     to these type's when something goes wrong."  

Again, I believe that there was no "message" intended by the episode as
far as what types of personalities are acceptable and which ones aren't.
I believe that Lacarno's character was used strictly as the moral
dilemma focal point.

>
>     The loyalty inspired by Locarno is definitely of the same type
>     Kirk inspired in his people and he would have, no doubt, been
>     one of the more exciting Starfleet captains to come down the
>     pike (sorry) if he'd made it through.

Indeed.  I admit his character was similar to what the young Kirk must
have been like at the academy, but I don't believe the writers were
trying to draw a close parallel to Kirk.  I imagine that it would be
frowned upon within the high-up TNG circles to do an episode that
reflected negatively on the Classic series characters. (Although you
might argue that Picard did this in Unification with his remark about
"cowboy diplomacy".)   

>
>     Scott Gorcey


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From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:23:05 GMT
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.
In-reply-to: bbrown@willamette.edu's message of 5 Apr 92 19:30:49 GMT

>	BYW, I have always thought that the 10 year-old learning Calc. was
>	unrealistic (that's why I remembered it), because, in general, the
>	learning facilities of children that age have not developed to the
>	point of being able to understand abstracts such as Calculus (Imagine:
>	the limit as the number of apple slices approches infinity gives 5
>	apples left for Timmy).


The way a concept is taught often has a LOT to do with how understandable
it is, no matter HOW abstract it is. I know of (at least) one case in which
the concept of negative numbers was grasped (at least on a rudimentary level)
by a 4-5 year old. This is not even introduced in schools until grade (what)
3 or 4??? Yet the students are expected to parrot back subtraction!!
Surely it is at least in the realm of possibility that concepts such as
slope, change in slope, approaching a limit etc can be explained in
a comprehensible manor before high school. The main problem is that the
"education system" trys to "protect" young minds froim such things and
instills a (totally unnecessary) fear of them in our children.



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From: steve@donald.tamu.edu (Steve Rikli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:51:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Architecture, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr10.174843.2572@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.222919.11993@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>
>>So have I.  I find it interesting that you refuse to believe Kirk was, in
>>some ways, up there right in that crowd.
>
>Nope, its not that I refuse, its just that arguing from logic (something I
>try not to do) you and others have based this opinion on almost 100% pure
>speculation.  The *only* thing I remember ever hearing about Kirk's
>academy days was the KM test.  You and others are trying to predict
>(hum, not the right word, but it will do) Kirk's personality in 
>the Academy based upon how you see him 15 years after the academy.  For
>all you know he might have been a studious totally serious student
>who spent all hist time trying to be number one in his class.  After he
>made it he went on from there.

I must agree with this assessment.  If you'll think back to some of the
original episodes, and some of the [admittedly non-canon to some] novels,
Kirk describes himself during his academy days as "a stack of books with
legs".  It might have been the "Shore Leave" episode where he gets to beat
the tar out of Finnigan, but memory fails.

I'd be more interested to know just what it was Picard did that Boothby
talked him through.  Picard has all ready painted himself during his own
academy and new-ensign days as a brash, brawling, braggart (the time during
his younger days when he was in a barfight with some thugs and got stabbed
and nearly died).

I think perhaps the Locarno == Picard analogy that some people are talking
about me be more appropriate than likening him to Kirk.
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From: layes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jonathan Layes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: why why why
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:20:26 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <s0lcnINN8rn@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> rabbit writes:
>hey people,
>
>being new to the net i have notice one thing that bugs the hell out me.
>
>for every question asked there are 200 replys.  come on guys. stop beating
>a dead horse!!  i bet i could come up with a post with about 10 questions or
>opinions. and i would start nothing but replys for about 4 months.
>
>example:  	post:	wes sends mail (bull)
>	reply:	it's not wes
>	reply:	yes it is
>	reply:	no it isn't
>	reply:	oh yeah, wes is a jerk anyway
>	reply:	no, he isn't
>	reply:	yes he is
>	reply:	i love and repect wes
>	reply: 	i hate him
>	reply:	he's not so bad	
>	reply:	it's not wes
>	reply:	yes it is
>
>ahhhhhhhhhhh i going mad !!
>
>now i am only trying to shake things up kids. i don't need any "your a jerk " replys
>
>now i am going to sit back and watch how many replys i get. (it could take weeks)

Geesh, if I was going to give my opinions, I'd say "you're a jerk", not
"your a jerk".  

I figured someone had to reply to this - pleas not to heckle, reply, or flame
generally require doing just that!  

I agree that I'd read more of ras? if the threads weren't so long.  I hit
the precious 'n' key a lot, but at 2400bps, sometimes even the first page
is much too much.


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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   Kyle says:
>>>Nay, I'd say Locarno has learned the lessons of life very well No
>>>need to take the heat for something when you don't have to,
>>>particularly if you can blame someone who is already dead, and
>>>mostly responsible for their own death anyway.  Wesley was naive,
>>>and he let Picard bully him into making a stupid confession.
>>

  Roger says:
>>Since I don't see any smileys anywhere in this article, I say, "Pity
>>those who are forced by life's circumstances to interact with you
>>person-to-person."
>>

 Ben says:
>One further note on the >> portion of this post.  If Locarno is not
>caught and punished for his actions then he has once again gotten away
>with acting irresponsibly.  People who get away with things don't learn
>their lessons.  Its when you get caught and punished that you learn not
>to repeat a foolish or dangerous action.  If I constantly got away with
>robbing banks (never tried it) then I would not *learn* any lessons.  I'd
>be rich, but I wouldn't have learned anything! (OK bad anology, seue me!)

     But this is exactly what Tim Lynch and myself and others have 
     been saying happened to Kirk.  You just admitted our point, if
     in a roundabout fashion.  



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