From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:09:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190043.12944@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  
(Chang-ning Qu) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.154640.11516@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct7.054042.8908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  
> >(Chang-ning Qu) writes:
> >> In article <1992Oct6.220438.26658@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
> >> 
> >>     Another nonsense from Carl since he mixed good and bad as a
> >> stuff. Don't be "wan2 shi4 bu4 gong1" (seeing everything is bad
> >> and wrong). Patriot and traitor are not so called ultra-leftests
> >> or ultra-rightests, not to mention comparing with beggars, prostitutes
> >> and religiously crazy people(real nonsense). If this Carl's logical
> >> ability alright? (I read many his postings and found him almost
> >> always using toggling logic (i.e. NOT in Boolean algebra) to
> >> the points that most people think to be right and expressing the same
> >> or agreements to those strange and garbage-like postings). I don't want
> >> giving prescription to this guy, but one thing I am going to 
> >> remind you who is hero, who is funk, who is good, who is bad,
> >> people will have their judgment. 
> >
> >
> >Hey, Do you know a lot of patriot CSS in this net zealously claim that Tibet  
> >and Inner Mongolia parts of China (possibily true) and the Tibetans and  
> >Mogolians are Chinese. So, tell me how Yue Fei showed his patriotism by  
> >fighting ruthlessly against Nuu Zhen minority in the north to save an  
already  
> >dacayed Southern Song Dynasty. If Yue Fei had had succeeded, then probably  
we  
> >would not proudly have had Tebit, Inner Mongolia and even Manchuria as our  
> >territories. To me, histroy is just something happened in the past and  
> >historical figures like Yue Fei is nothing more than Wang2 Po2 (old lady  
Wang  
> >who helped Mr. Ximen and Ms. Pan1 Jin1lian2 poisoned Wu3 Da4lang2). What Yue  
> >Fei did might have been good to China, or might have been very bad. No one  
> >knows. Just as nobody know if it is good thing or not for the British  
warships  
> >knocked open China's gate by cannons. 
> >
> >I just want to be realistic. To me, if people can enjoy good life, then the  
> >government is good. Otherwise, it is bad no matter how many beautiful  
slogans  
> >they chant and how much patriotism some people in the government show or  
> >pretend to show. ask yourselves, we the people, like other living species,  
live  
> >in this very earth for what?
> >
> >Carl
> > 
> 
> 
>    Carl, you really confused me your intellegence. 
>    Yue Fei was a hero thousands years ago for 
>    anti-invasion from  then-foreigners(though today
>    they became a member as minority of China). 
>    If you don't review the history with time coordinate,
>    you couldn't get any correct results(conclusions) on
>    every history events(because they are passed, therefor,
>    old). That's really stupid. It seems you are in engineering
>    major, I am very supprised you logical ability. I just hope
>    you don't blame old Newton for some of his out-of-date laws
>    on sciences!
> 
>    our 


Oh, boy! Apperently you are trying to convince me that Yue Fei was/is a hero.  
But, the point is different people have different standards towards hero. To me  
Yue Fei was/is not. I don't even think there was such a general Yue Fei in the  
history as glorious as the one in the legend. He was another Lei Feng. In fact,  
giving the situation in later Song Dynasty, it was not a very good idea to  
spend all the money on military to drive Nuu Zhen out of northern China. It  
would have been a better idea to make tempory peace with Nuu Zhen while gain  
more strength. I am not saying Qing Kui was good. But, blindly saying all  
people to show or pretend to show patriotism are good. Sometimes, on the  
contrary, blind patriotism ruins a country.

Again, things happened in the history are really difficult to judge. It is just  
like you walk on a road and meet a cross (or two branches of roads), you choose  
one branch and continue walking. Your decision to choose one branch also means  
your decision to abandon the other branch. Maybe the other branch is much  
flater, wider, with much more beautiful scenery. But you forever miss the  
chance to see the scenery along that branch. It's just like "an old man lost a  
horse, how do you know that it is not fortune". If you realize this, than it is  
not difficult to think that Yue Fei is not more than Wang2 Po3 (old lady Wang).

What is important is now, not the past. As long as you are free and happy now,  
why bother think that your father or grandfather may be beggars (which was not  
very uncommon to those who later became communists).


Carl


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