HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: QED 1.09 - important bug fixed
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:03:35 GMT
	<2b4a49fe.2503.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


In article <2b4a49fe.2503.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland) writes:
>I looked and could not find it either.
>I spent a lot of time going thru the different
>directories and it was not therer.
>( including Uploads and comp.sources.hp48 )

QED is shareware, I doubt Lutz will publish a PD version of any updates he has
done.

--
--> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Library Trouble
Message-ID: <2b4dbe8a.2603.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I believe that Garth Sweet has a slight misunderstanding as to how to
install libraries so I'll try to explain:

Most libraries have a bit of code that is automatically executed at each
warm start that attaches the library to the HOME directory.  In this
case, all you have to do is recall the library to the stack, type 0, 1,
or 2 (depending on which port you want to store it in) and hit STO.  Then
turn the calc off and on.  You should see the calculator do a warm start
when it comes on (the same as hitting ON-C).  Your library should now be
attached.

Garth...If what you did ATTACH and then STO, you did it out of order. 
And if the library has the CONFIG code I spoke of, I'm not sure what
happens if you attach it to another directory yourself but what I suspect
has happened to you is you have stored several copies of the library in
you port and they have self attached to the HOME directory.  That would
explain why you cannot DETACH them from the from your MATH directory.

If the library has no CONFIG code tht self attaches, you must attach it
yourself to the directory of your choice (1 library per directory, except
for the HOME directory, which takes any number of libraries).  Attach
AFTER you store it.  You must then detach from that directory when you
wish to purge the library.

To see if you have multiple copies stored in your port, push left-shift
LIBRARY PORT0 (or whatever port you have) and look at the contents of
that port, or alternately, push left shift MEMORY NXT 0 PVARS to see what
is in port 0.

I hope this helps

Bill Levenson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Frigid HP48/Red Screen
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:37:33 GMT

In <19930112.082719.850@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:

>Well, my HP gets more of a pretty purple color in the cold. It does always go
>away. In fact, I left it in my briefcase in my car last night and it was
>quite purple this morning. Does the HP48 run a little slower in the cold too,
>or is it just the screen? I was playing with it while hunting in November and
>it seemed to slow down. I didn't time any functions, though, to verify it.

Gee, I never noticed that . . . Guess it never gets cold in Australia . . .

Tim Pickett aka :) aka it's a lovely summer's day . . .
From: akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: QED 1.09 on seq.uncwil.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:40:03 GMT

Bill,

I downloaded QED1.09 Wednesday, and it works great!

Dan Kirkland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: vellone@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (stefano gianlui vellone)
Subject: ROGA with hp48?
Keywords: ROGA
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:36:37 GMT
Summary: I need some ROGA's PROGRAMS

I need some progam for my Operativ Research exam.I need in particolar programs
about graphs on kruscal algoritm, dijkstra algoritm, floyd algoritm, prim algoritm.
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: SYSEVAL #CEEAh (disable clock)
Message-ID: <2b49df90.2560.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

To disable the clock display in a program, why not use the HP supported
ClrDA1IsStat at #39531h ?  I haven't disassembled this and it may use the
#CEEAh address but I'm not sure what that is doing either.  When in
doubt, I would use the HP supported entry points when possible.

I hope this helps,

Bill Levenson
From: akcs.sfm@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (S.F.Mauser)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Fly,
Message-ID: <2b48829b.2437.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Sorry, I meant that the library is on Corvallis BBS under files.hp48
conference as message #70.
From: mengwong@world.std.com (Meng W Wong)
Subject: Re: Queries
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:14:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.102429.25900@leland.Stanford.EDU> shimpei@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shimpei Yamashita) writes:
>I'm new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if you went over these points
>before.

um.  Actually, I don't think the FAQ's been posted in a while.

>1) For the last several months my HP48SX insists that EVERY file I have in it
>has a checksum of either 0 or 1. Obviously, something is wrong; is it 
>something I can fix by some SYSEVAL or something?

Check your wordsize.  Type RCWS.  If it's something low, like 1 or 2, then
type 64 STWS - this is the recommended wordsize.

>2) Is HP's BBS accessible via Internet?

hpcvbbs.cv.hp.bbs .... type akcs, and be a newuser.  Your new email address
will be something like akcs.shimpei@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.bbs.

>3) Is Redundance Fighter really that safe to use?

I haven't had any problems with it to date.

>If you can either email me or post the answer that would be great. Thanks.

It seems nobody else has posted an answer yet, so I'll do the
net.noisemaking...

--
Cyberpunk: "These are all hot young verbal pilots who think nothing of
    taking forty-thousand tons of screaming heavy metal prose and throwing
    it straight at the ground in a forced power dive shedding sparks and
    literary chaos only to pull up at the last possible instant shy of
    total grammatical implosion just to see the horrified looks on the pale
    upturned faces of the civilians as the afterburners cut in." -M. Swanwick


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: Calculus package
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:30:37 GMT

mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen) writes:
: Calculus? I have Math Card made by SPARCOM. After some use a big
: disappointment, after learning system rpl and machine language I'd be ashamed
: to publish such a thing even as PD. User rpl all over the place and it shows
: on the speed. Just a couple functions, most of the card is taken by the
: browser and data for integration tables etc. Atleast I expect functions from a
: good math package, tables are ok too but not if the browser stinks.
: 
: So far I haven't seen any good SparCom card worth the money , but I know
: they've hired atleast one good programmer so I can't condemn them forever.
From the brief time I've seen the Calculus card it looks really good. 
Sparcom is making an effort to produce software written in sysRPL, whereas
the earlier cards had a lot of (slow) user RPL.

: Better check out seq.uncwil.edu:/hp48/math. Some of the programs in there are
: very good.
Definitely.
-- 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
From: Markus.Ebel@bcomp.hamm.sub.org (Markus Ebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP 48 LX ?!?!
Date: 05 Jan 93  19:51:00 +0100

Hello All!

Has anyone heard about the HP48 LX ???
Comments ?
Features ??

hope to
cu  /\/\
   /    \ARKUS


From: akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:40:01 GMT
Subject: QED 1.09
Message-ID: <2b4b980f.2577comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

QED 1.09 is now at seq.uncwil.edu
it is in hp48/Uploads

dan k
From: slmdj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:32:46 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <PHR.92Dec31121439@napa.telebit.com>, phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
> In article <jcFds*740@lemsys.UUCP> clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:
> 
> 	   I am a University student (in case you can't tell by the .sig). 
>    I'm not rich.  I'm not the son of a major dignitary or world power (just
>    thought I'd clear that up :-).  The HP-48 is a _tool_ for your education. 
>    You require a good calculator (for engineering anyways).  
> 
> Why?  Given access to a good computer, I didn't feel any need at all
> for a fancy calculator.  The $10 Sharp nonprogrammable unit that I
> used was adequate for all my pocket calculator needs.
> 
>    I found it quite
>    worthwhile to purchase a GOOD calculator to replace my aging and broken
>    calc. I've been using through high school. 
> 
> What did the HP48 do for you that a $10 calculator wouldn't have *and*
> a computer wouldn't have?


Well, for one, it sure seems nice to be able to plot out a solution to a
problem-- to punch up equations and just by changing the numbers, solve the
equation over and over with different numbers-- to check my answers in
calculus on a test, etc... 

Besides, it's kinda cool to be able to play tetris, pac-man, etc... in 'dead'
time between classes :-)

> 
>    If you don't buy an HP, chances are you'll have to buy another one before
>    you're done school anyways.


My uncle (who, BTW is an assistant city engineer in Calif.) uses his 48SX
nearly every day in the field... What better way to calculate stuff for open
channels, ditchs, roadbeds, etc...???

> 
> So what?  I can afford quite a few $10 calculators for the price of an HP48.
> 
>    You are investing in your education when you
>    buy a calculator.  So you save $70 by not buying HP.  Is that a big deal in
>    the long run?


When I bought my calc. (48SX) recently, I seriously thought about all aspects
of this thread, and concluded that since the calculator does what I _need_ now,
and will do what I _need_ in the future, why not get it now while it will help
me with my education???

 
> I have no question that it's an investment in my education.  My question
> is whether it's a GOOD investment, i.e. whether whether I'd get more
> education per dollar by upgrading my computer, or buying more textbooks,
> or hiring someone to do my laundry so I can spend more time studying, etc.
> And I believe I saved more than $70 by not buying an HP48.  If I could
> get an HP48 for $80, I probably would have gotten one, but they were
> more like $300 (I think they're a little less now).
> 
-- 
********************************************************************************
      Paul Cowley      * ----looking for one of those spiffy quotations for my
   ==EE Undergrad==    * .sig...  Any Suggestions???
 Utah State University *
  C/A1C  CAP Utah Wing *
   slmdj@cc.usu.edu    *
********************************************************************************
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Tricorder simulator
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:27:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: miser.STEVEV.93Jan4192708
	<STEVEV.93Jan4104203@miser.uoregon.edu> <1iajt3INNp3f@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
NNTP-Posting-Host: miser.uoregon.edu
In-reply-to: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 5 Jan 93 00:14:27 GMT

In article <1iajt3INNp3f@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca
(ochealth) writes:

   One can speculate on Alonzo's mnemonics, but BSET, BCLR, JSR
   etc. are all familiar Motorola mnemonics, same with $ for
   hex.and same with the move.a (d1),a

   So it look s like CLASS is much closer to a standard than
   the AG mnemonics (which is disappointing to learn)

So perhaps we should just program the Saturn in 68000 assembler?
The Saturn is not a 68000.  I don't think you get the point,
which is indeed disappointing to learn.

What I object to is changing a few parts of a well-established
assembly language format while leaving others alone, introducing
unnecessary confusion and incompatibility.  The changed mnemonics
are no better in terms of comprehensibility or notational
convenience than the originals.  One should think very carefully
before introducing those kinds of changes, and be able to justify
them.  Alonzo Gariepy did a lot better in inventing a new,
consistent set of Saturn mnemonics to use in place of HP's than
Lutz Vieweg did in gratuitously changing a few of Alonzo's
around for his assembler.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: SYSEVAL #CEEAh (disable clock)
Message-ID: <2b4e0440.2560.6comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

More blunders by dan k!

Okay so I am learning.

Seems that refering to message numbers does not
help much unless you telnet to hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com.
(which is how I posted the messages)

The first message I posted about ROM location #CEEAh
was on comp.sys.handhelds and the subject title was:
Turn off internal clock updates in a program

(I did not get any response from this message)

So I posted a message here titled:
SYSEVAL #CEEAh (disable clock)

(should be disable clock interrupts)
( the message on this conference got a lot of 
response. I guess it helps to get on the right
conference)

It would seem that I am not the only one That has
come across #CEEAh.

I downloaded the "NEW" ENTRIES from seq.uncwil.edu
last night.

Entries.all says

0ceea (whoops got to start using another computer)

entries.all  says

0CEEA P NS:STOPCLOCK
0CEEA @ Stops internal clock updates (?)

so it looks like I am not the only one to run across
this address.

by the way why does entries have the date 08.01.1992 ?
It is suposed to be the new entries. This is 1993!
Besides I downloaded it on the seventh.
Oh well, no one is perfect (least of all me, look at my messages!)

By the way, this is by far the best entries yet!
Check out entries.srt ! I love it!
It is just what many of uss have been waiting for.
I would like to thank everyone who help bring it to us.
I hope I can help add something real soon.
(i am not going to mention any names now because
I can not rember all of them and I do'nt have
the doc's with me. but i am sure they know who they
are.)

The new entries can be found at seq,unc.??
(sorry try again)
seq.uncwil.edu
it is in the Uploads directory.
hp48/Uploads/entries.tar.Z

dan

From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: QED 1.09 - important bug fixed
Message-ID: <2b4b2755.2503.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Yes, Lutz HAS published a PD version of QED.  Several, in fact!  The PD
version does have limitations.  Herr Vieweg calls them "evaluation"
versions.  The main limitation is that after a couple of minutes running
QED, the evaluation version simply exits, saving whatever changes you've
made.

In the documentation he provides with the evaluation version, he states
that the user should feel free to use the evaluation version as long as
you want.  I have been using v1.07 for several months and I like it.  I
am planning on sending him the licensing fee soon so that I can get a
version that doesn't time out on me.  I think most people get tired of
that.  I'm just a terrible procrastinator.

I hope this clears things up a bit.  I sent mail to Lutz but haven't
heard anything yet.  I'll post here if I learn anything new.

Bill Levenson

From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:40:08 GMT
Subject: Re: What the hell is "the exam-mode" ??
Message-ID: <2b512741.2600.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

The "exam mode" is not in the HP48 rev J.  It will first appear in a
version which will not only be very visibly a "different" machine
(perhaps a different case color?), but may even bear a different model
number (like HP78) even though it's in fact just an HP48 with an
artificial stupidity mode.

The above was gleaned from HP reps at CES.  Its accuracy is not
guaranteed.  -jkh-
From: akcs.jwtrav@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (John Wettroth)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:40:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 3 Re: AAA Lithium batteries with the HP-48SX
Message-ID: <2b4aa356.2539.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Quad A cells should be available very soon.  The lithium chemistry is
funky as someone said- I think the real open circuit voltage is about 1.7
volts- be careful when series them because this little offset adds up.  I
evaluated the AA cells in detail for a product I was developing and they
are suited for rather high current loads, their life in a 48 would be now
better than good alkalines.  It looks like their best application would
be in a demanding peak current load like a camera flash.  The only
advantage they might have would be to surveyors or others that use their
machines outside at very low temperatures.  Alkalines absolutely puke at
about -20C, lithiums are good to -40C.  Everready is the manufacturer of
the ones I evaluated, the trade name is 'Litheon'- kind of neat but no
help.  Alkalines are really the best you'll do for a while...

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: Queries
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:04:48 GMT

shimpei@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shimpei Yamashita) writes:
: 3) Is Redundance Fighter really that safe to use?
Yes, no problems here.  There is also a version of RF with a CRC check if you
need it, with slower performance.

-- 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet)
Subject: Re: Transfer Protocol
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:06:04 GMT

Matthew Zundel (mzundel@vx9000.weber.edu) wrote:
> Are there any other protocols besides Kermit?  I found one that is Xmodem, but
> it is very unreliable.  
> 
> 

	I agree, I found the Xmodem/Ymodem library quite slow too, there
are many good assembly programs out there, surely one of you crack
programmers could make a fast assembly language transfer program. Even
if you have to invent a new protocal, that would be fine, I'd be
willing to write the PC end a new transfer package, but doing the HP
side is a currently a little over my head. Anyone?

+---------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
+ name : Garth Sweet        +            Ultra-Mini HP 48 FAQ                 +
+ email: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca +                                                 +
+ phone: 902-865-8987       +     FAQ = (F)requently (A)sked (Q)uestions      +
+---------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
+ Q: Where can I get HP 48 stuff?  A: EduCalc 1-800-535-9650 24hrs (Can/USA)  +
+ Q: Where can I ftp HP 48 files?  A: seq.uncwil.edu has a ton of stuff       +
+ Q: How do I get files to my HP?  A: You need a cable, check real FAQ        +
+ Q: Where is the real FAQ?        A: At seq.uncwil.edu of course!	      +
+ Q: What's FTP anyway?            A: Mail me!	                              +
+ Q: How do I get help on my HP?   A: Post questions. We don't bite. *SMILE*  +
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: grant_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Aviation Software
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:41:53 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: grant_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Hello,
     I amwriting some software for aviation use, but want to know what 
pilots out there want so make suggestions....

Al
From: res_hall_fac@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Calc Book?
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:42:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I was considering purchasing a Calculus book to help me out with my 48.
Just wondering if anybody would recommend any certain book and if 
Educalc offers it.  I saw one that was offered in their catalog for $17.95
and was thinking of getting it.

Thanks!
From: anonymous
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: J is for Joke...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anonymous
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-06.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1iq7jnINNonc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca  
(ochealth) writes:
> besides there have been confirmed sightinhs of the J ROM...
> 
> > 
> >Mike Morgan
> >M00012@KANGA.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU


I second that -- I received a new HP for x-mas and yes it is ver. J!
Rob Wyrick
wyrickre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: akcs.mcannon@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Matthew A. Cannon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Re: Boulder DasHP HELP!!!! REVISITED Please READ!!!
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:40:02 GMT

I know when one sees that infamous string that somewhere there was a 
ascii transfer.  But, just another approach:  Are you attaching the
Boudlerdash Library correctly?  I don't mean to insult your intelligence,
but Boulderdash is a Library and must be attached to a port.  The manual
covers this procedure rather well.  Once attached, maybe it will work
correctly.  Hope this helps.
                                         Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Using the 48 as a stop watch.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:33:19 GMT

I would like to use my 48 as a stopwatch in the lab.  Most of my times
are less than a minute, but once inawhile their greater.  I tried using
the "time" function, but it seems to based on a 100 or something.  After
looking in the manual I tried converting it using ->HMS but I still got
incorrect values.  How do I do this?

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: hp48's appt prog
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:30:47 GMT

	I found the appointment program (the short version) in seq.uncwil.edu.
However, I can't find the orginal(long version) anywhere.  Does anyone have
any ideas about which directory has it?
	Also, does anyone know which directory I can find the ASC program
for PC's? (or on a ftp other than seq.uncwil)?
	Last thing, still looking for a used RAM card.  please email if
interested.
	Thanks in advance!
					Ming

	PS: the appt prg takes 7k in even the short version!  I wonder why...
after all, all I need is a prog that can keep track about what things I shall
do today...and the longer version is gonna to suck all my avalible 30k RAM
out:)
From: ee3pgh@castle.ed.ac.uk (Philip Holliman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Version E/J
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:38:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I've just found out my HP48S is version E (1989).  This is really
pissing me off considering I've just bought it brand new.  Can somoeone
please tell me when version J was released.  If it was 1992- I'm tempted
to go and hastle a few people.

Thanks

Philip Holliman.

PS what is better about version J to version E anyway?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48