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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Diego: Hand of God.  NOT !!!
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:15:37 GMT



   In article <9207221528.AA25278@netmail.microsoft.com>
   t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

   Thank God the people that criticize this particular incident are not 
   judge and jury.  If they were, they would surely have convicted the wrong
   man. 

   Diego successfully committed an offense.  This is NO different from any 
   other game, at any time, at any place.

   The person that should be persecuted remains both nameless and fameless 
   (or infamous).  The referee of that game should bare all the barbs of 
   this incident.  Diego attempted what many a talented player have tried. 
    Not all were successful, but they tried never the less.  Diego is 
   branded for an incident which should rest solely on the referee, who 
   failed to make the call.

   When will you people (who criticize Maradona) stop this ridiculous witch
   hunt!

   I feel this outrage for him has little or nothing to do with this 
   incident, as any MATURE person would disregard this incident as a very 
   poor job of officiating.

   "Hand of God", NOT!  Blind (in)justice, definitely!

   Francis.
   (official judge and jury).  :)



I hope you were kidding when you wrote this (the final smiley seems to
indicate that.  It is like saying that if a person commits a crime and
gets away with it, we should go out and kill a few cops or judges
because they failed to bring the criminal to justice.

Anyway, besides the english, who else really cares about this
incident?  It is past its time and its usefulness as a topic for
dicussion given that most people are entrinched in their own personal
opinion (Maradona supporters will always have some excuse and the
remaining people, myself included, will always regard it as an act of
reprehensible unsportsmanlike conduct...).

-Miguel
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Soccer Attendance at the Olympics
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:17:49 GMT

The lack of sales has NOTHING to do with the telecasts, which were set up 
months ago. I talked with Bess Maiser at Cablevision and she gave me quite a 
bit of insight into the problem.

It seems that noone asked for soccer coverage a year or more ago when they 
were getting the packages together. Since then, change has been nearly 
impossible. But she was very appreciative of my input and all the others that 
have been calling and asking for more soccer coverage.

Point : don't believe that TV is based on current ticket sales. It is only 
based on past results/requests.

Opinion : the lack of major players in the Olympics (other than Mexico and 
Italy, maybe the US) is also a factor. Few folks want to see Poland vs. 
Australia (or some other match) Please : NO FLAMES. This is commentary and not
intended to insult anyone. See the subject of the paragraph.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Switzerland results, round 2
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:50 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Switzerland , round 2 (qualification), July 21/22


FC Aarau                   1-1 Young Boys
 31.Bregy (penalty) 0-1 91.Alexandrov 1-1

Lausanne Sports            0-0 FC Sankt Gallen

FC Lugano                  1-1 Bulle
 4.Galvao 1-0 69.Hartmann 1-1

FC Servette                2-0 Chiasso
 28.Anderson (penalty) 1-0 89.Sinval 2-0

FC Zuerich                 0-1 FC Sion
 80.Hottiger 0-1

Xamax Neuchatel            3-3 Grasshopper Club
 11.Smajic (penalty) 1-0 31.Cravero 2-0 44.Elber 2-1 47.Chassot 3-1
 53.Dinei 3-2 86.Elber 3-3


Table
 1.FC Sion           2   2  0  0   4-2   4
 2.Young Boys        2   1  1  0   5-2   3
 3.Bulle             2   1  1  0   3-2   3
 4.FC Servette       2   1  0  1   3-2   2
 5.Lausanne Sports   2   0  2  0   1-1   2
   FC Sankt Gallen   2   0  2  0   1-1   2
 7.FC Aarau          2   0  2  0   2-2   2
   FC Lugano         2   0  2  0   2-2   2
___________________________________________
 9.Grasshopper Club  2   0  2  0   4-4   2
10.Xamax Neuchatel   2   0  1  1   5-6   1
11.Chiasso           2   0  1  1   1-3   1
12.FC Zuerich        2   0  0  2   1-5   0




NLB, Est
Baden                0-0 Bruettisellen
Chur                 3-2 Bellinzona
Locarno              2-1 Emmenbruecke
Kriens               0-3 Luzern
Wil                  1-2 Winterthur
Schaffhausen         3-0 Wettingen

Bellinzona           1-1 Baden    (first round)


NLB, West
Buempliz             2-2 Old Boys Basel
Chatel-St-Denis      1-2 Yverdon
Delemont             1-1 Chenois
Fribourg             2-0 La Chaux-de-Fonds
Basel                2-0 Etoile Carouge
Urania Geneve        1-0 Grenchen

Tables after one of the next rounds.



Christoph Nieswand
E-mail : nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
From: kml@inf.rl.ac.uk (Kevin Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Premature termination of a game.
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:45:13 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

In article <Bs7pB0.EGD@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>The problem: Premature termination of a game.
>
>>Team B: The away team -- also has a good team, 5th in the division, contending

>for the second division championship.  They show up without their regular 
>goalkeeper and only have 11 players, no subs.
>
My first thought here is What about the linesmen??
Even if they were subs or substituted players, one of them could have
taken over as ref.

It would have been possible to play with only one linesman for 30 mins.  This
was never going to be a close match .

The away team could not complain about the new ref's impartiality. They 
should have brought extra players to be substitutes/run the line.

In Britain as I'm sure you know, in minor leagues it is the responsibility
of each team to provide a linesman.  The home team should provide a ref if
the league have not allocated one or he does not turn up.  Even if this means
playing with only 10 men.

I'm surprised a member of team A did not offer, especially as they were 8-1 up.

If you had qualified linesmen, one of them could have taken over, with a home
sub running the line.



The seventy minute rule is often used but whether this is a rule or a guideline
I am unsure.

Games which are abandoned because of bad weather are normally subject to the
80 minute rule.

In 1972 (I think) Juventus 2-0 up from the first leg were loosing 5 -1 to
Borrusia Moenchengladbach.  The floodlights failed after 66 mins.
UEFA ordered a replay which Juventus lost 2-1 and so went on to the final where
they lost to Ajax.

In 1974, An FA cup match between Newcastle and Nottm. Forest was delayed due to
a pitch invasion by Newcastle fans when their team was 3-1 down.
The game was finished, Newcastle got a draw, but the FA ruled that the 20 min
delay had been pre-meditated and ordered a replay back at Nottingham.
>
In the game in 1974 between Man Utd and Man City, Denis Law scored after 86
mins for City. The Man U. fans invaded to try and get the game abandoned and
replayed, but the result stood and Man Utd were relegated.  Denis Law said
it was the worst goal he had ever scored.

Also Denis Law scored a lot of goals in an abandoned FA cup tie once in th 60's
The game was abandoned and his goals were removed from his FA cup total, which
Ian Rush has now surpassed.

I don't know what any of these instances prove.
Kev.

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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Steve Snow and Lothar Osiander
Date: 27 Jul 1992 10:46:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> The Boston Globe announced this morning the real reason Steve Snow did not
-> play in the opening game against Italy.  As we all know Steve has been hurt
-> for sometime know with a bad knee. Steve said that he would be ready to play
-> against Italy.  Lothar chose not to start him and I guess Steve and Lothar
-> got into an argument.  Steve supposedly swore at Lothar.  Lothar has now said
-> that Steve will not play unless he apologizes.  

It should be remembered that this apparently occured after the game.
Furthermore, several of the players support Snow in his complaints.

It seems inconceivable to me that someone would bench their top 
scorer in this match!  Lothar claimed that he wanted a fully defensive
team for the match...  (Is Lothar a Graham Taylor clone?)

-> Why do I get the feeling that this is a kindergarten team?

Kindergarten coaching, too.

-> Steve, I know your not listening but please suck up your pride and apologize.
-> If you don't want to do this for Lothar or even for the team, then do it
-> for yourself.  Steve has stated many times that he would like to use the
-> olympics as a spring board to a european contract.  He certainly won't get it
-> by moping around on the bench.  And lets face it, the US desperately needs
-> Steve's scoring punch.  For those of you who don't follow the Olympic team,
-> Steve has scored 19 goals in 18 appearences for the U23's.

Instead, I think the USSF should intervene and tell Lothar to play 
Snow.  Snow's complaint is valid.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SPAIN,ITALY,QATAR,POLAND through
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:28:32 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul30.133431.25980@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa) writes:
> 
>  So much for CONCACAF's top qualifying team, the U.S.   Leaving their top
>  scorer Steve Snow out of the opening game was the biggest mistake they
>  could have made.  Now, as usual, it is up to Mexico to bring recognition
>  for the CONCACAF.
> 
>  Miguel Figueroa

	Snow and Henderson were injured and could not make it to the 
first game.  It is sad to see the US did not enter the second round after
all the hard work by the players. 

Jack Teh
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Destructive Egypt
Date: 31 Jul 1992 10:40:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Shakil writes:

-> Hmmmm, could we possibly have seen different matches?  Egypt played
-> very well against the Netherlands, completely taking them by surprise.

I was quite surprised in this game, too.  I never thought a match could
put me to sleep, but in spite of a large quantity of caffiene being
pumped intravenously, this match succeeded...

-> I didn't think it was destructive at all.

You might not.  That makes it you, vs 5,000,000,000 other people.

Come to think of it, the coach, and maybe even the Egyptian players 
might agree with you.  Maybe.  If so, its 13 vs 4,999,999,988



->                                            Come to think of it, didn't
-> Egypt score FOUR goals against Columbia yesterday?   How could they
-> have achieved that through "destructive" means?  I've seen goals
-> prevented through destructive means before (Harald Schumacher, where
-> are you?), but I've yet to see goals being scored destructively,
-> especially FOUR of them.

This has got to be one of the most pathetic arguments I have ever seen
in my entire life.

Shakil here is defending the awful soccer played by the Egyptian
national team two years ago with the play of an under-23 team already
eliminated in a minor soccer tournament!  With this, he hopes to 
carry the argument that Egypt's World Cup performance two years ago
was not destructive.

Shakil, if you put Egypt of 1990 vs Italy of 1982 (pre-Rossi), and 
played unlimited sudden death extra time, the game would never end...
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Egypt's performance (was Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings)
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:53:07 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Jul30.183910.9578@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
    
  (----------- article deleted ------------------------------------)

Just before the olympics there was an argument on the net about African footbal
and one guy said the best African teams are North  i.e Egypt,Algeria, Morrocco
etc. He even said in Africa they ( the north Africans ) are cheated by referees
and they play badly in Africa south of the Sahara b/c of the poor standard of
the pitches.
Now this is Bacelona, Good pitches , Nutural referees, and the whole world 
watching and what happens.
 Both Nort African teams Morrocco & Egypt were terrible at the games. Egypt
winning 4-3 in the last game proved nothing. Remember Spain beat Colombia 4-0.
The only African country to advance to the next round was Ghana. This is the
team the guy claims are not in the best 10 footballing nations in Africa.

Egypt Sucks and they know that



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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Olympic Football : Mexico vs Denmark
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


 You can count me in on the "NBC S_cks" bandwagon!   I said it once and I'll
 say it again, I think NBC's coverage of Olympic soccer has got to be the
 worst for real soccer fans.  They are just a bunch of ignorant idiots who
 think a good waterpolo match is better than a soccer match.  All they show
 is american athletes in action and no overall coverage.  I hate their stupid
 breaks for commercials. I'll be damned if I'll pay $125 for the stupid
 triplecast with only two soccer matches on thier agenda.  I also wish I was
 in Mexico to see the olympics.  Their coverage is 100% better than NBC's.

 Miguel Figueroa
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Team News
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:12:05 GMT

The US coach, Bora, has asked for the release of Tom Dooley, Tab Ramos,
Eric Wynalda, and Roy Wegerle for the tournament this weekend.  Also
a name from the past will be with the US team this weekend.  Chris Sullivan
has come out of retirement to sign a three year contract with Danish club
Broendby and has been called up to the national team by Bora.

Does anyone in LA know if these players are actually with the team?  And how
are tickets selling to this event?

Sports Channel New England will air the game at 11:00pm tonight.

Andy
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NBC triple cast, triple flop !!!!
Date: 30 Jul 1992 10:05:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I heard on the news last night that NBC hoped to draw (mild term for 
sucker) over 2 million viewers to PPV. Ha!  They have just over 200k.  
I do hope this is the sign of a marketing version of a diving belly-flop.

I called Bess Maisel's office the other day.  They said that they had 
received many negative comments as well as many requests for....... S O 
C C E R ! ! ! !

I think there starting to get the message!

Phone # (516)496-1322.  The receptionist is very nice and has a stack 
of complaint forms ready! Give her a call!

Francis.

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From: estess@mksol.dseg.ti.com (newell estess)
Subject: Re: Steve Snow and Lothar Osiander
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:10:39 GMT

I read that Osiander originally planned on sub'ing Snow into the game
but couldn't when two defenders sufferred injuries and had to be sub'ed 
earlier.  That's unfortunate but s**t happens.  To me it sounded like
Snow went off half-cocked.  He may or may not have a legitimate
complaint but you don't talk to the press about it until after you talk
it over with your coach.  If Osiander and Snow can't patch this up, then
USA doesn't deserve a medal and shouldn't have qualified in the first
place.


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From: OB71330%LTUVAX.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (The difference between you and me is that I do it and you say it.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: nbc - olympics
Date: 28 Jul 1992 00:18:13 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Well, I am not sure how many of you noticed this little thing about NBC's
coverage of the gold medal game.  But I just took a look at the little insert
that TV Guide has provided on all the coverage and NBC is no doubt going to
show the game but not until 12:35am.  That is right.  NBC has a time slot from
12:35am until 2:05am to show the game, along with that they have to show the
women's tennis doubles and the water polo semifinal.  How in the world are you
going to fit all that in in less than 2 hours.  The only way to view it is if
you have the the WHITE CHANNEL which is going to show it on the same day but
from 2pm until 5pm.  3 hours of soccer and soccer related stuff.  For some of
us who cannot afford to buy the triplecast channels makes me upset.  I was
looking forward to watching the game.  I will stay up that night to watch what
they have to show but still, it takes all the fun out of it.


Oliver Bosnjakovski
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: L.A. Relief Tournament
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:47:26 PST

In article <1992Jul23.172321.4448@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa) writes:
>   Does anyone know the dates, times, and matchups for next week's  L.A.
>   Relief Tournament between Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, and the U.S.
>   I know the tournament will be played next week for sure. Maybe Univision
>   will show some of those games on the weekend.
> 
>   Miguel

Miguel,
        The schedule is as follows ( all games at the L.A. Coliseum):
            U.S. v. Colombia   7/31 6:30p
            Mexico v. Brasil   7/31 9:30p
            Mexico v. Colombia 8/2  4:00p
            U.S. v. Brasil     8/2  6:30p
The tickets are $18 (I think). This competition is called the L.A. Friendship
Cup. I have no info on TV schedules but I imagine one of the LA channels will
show the games tape delayed.
Hope this helps,
                Alex
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: British transfer news
Keywords: from the "Sunday Independent", July 26th
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:37:56 GMT

As reported already, Trevor Steven re-joined Glasgow Rangers for
2.4 million pounds. The move represents an enormous profit for
Rangers, just one year after selling him to Marseille for 5.5 million
pounds. Steven, 28, makes his debut on Tuesday - in a friendly against
Marseille at Ibrox.
Is this Bernard Tapie guy supposed to be a succesful bussinessman ?
Well, he got ripped off on this one.

Aston Villa beat Chelsea for Ray Houghton's signature when the 30-year
old Liverpool and Republic of Ireland midfield player agreed to join
Ron Atkinson at Villa Park in a 900.000 pound deal.
"He is the best right-sided midfielder in the country and, remember,
he is three years younger than Gordon Strachan was when he joined 
Leeds", Atkinson said.

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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ID *inside* penalty...
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:59:07 GMT

Francis,

	Indirect free kicks have been allowed by the attackers inside the 
penalty area quite often. In fact, many referees seem to award them for 
"minor" fouls, instead of bucking up and awarding PK's. The two-touch (parry) 
rule from a year ago also requires an ID free kick against the defense from 
the spot of the foul.

	Or maybe I don't understand your question ?

	Feel free to e-mail direct, or call at (512)522-5389

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: nbc (notice the small letters!)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:33:18 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I read and article in the paper that really spells things out.  Until I 
read this article, I hadn't realized what else it was that I didn't 
like about the broadcasting.

In this article they talked about the negative attitudes by the 
commentators and more specifically those who were interviewing the athletes.

They were so bloody right it wasn't funny!  Right after reading that 
article, they were interviewing the US women's 4x100 meter swim team.  
I can't remember the name of the swimmer, but he said "...does this 
make up for your loss yesterday....).

What in hell kind of attitude is this?  She won a medal the previous 
day, it just wasn't Gold!  Is that loosing??

nbc sucks!  I feel sorry for the athletes when there subjected to such 
idiotic questions.

Francis.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mhytti@cs.joensuu.fi (Mika Hyttinen)
Subject: Re: Camerun results.
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:44:17 GMT

ftm@bass.ericsson.se (Tomas Melander) writes:

>   2)  How to spell to Camerun.

I think it is spelling : Cameroon.

Mika.
-- 
      Congrats to Antti Kasvio !
      The bronze medal in 200 m freestyle swimming on 26 th July !!!!!!
      The first Finnish swimming medal after 1920 !

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