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From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:50:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.64521
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

Has anybody heard anything else on Mark Heard? I've never really
got into him, but it seems I missed some really good stuff.

Bill


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:45:03 GMT

Distribution: world

If the Cornerstone allegations are true, this is very serious.
Can someone publish an address for Cornerstone so that we can
request a copy of the issue and base our reactions on the full
article rathewr than a brief summary.  Or can someone who has the
article post a more complete synopsis, at least?
--
Claude Anderson

anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (J. Daniel Bourland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Glory and Praise Vol I and II
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:56:10 GMT
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Sun Microsystems


I don't know if it is what you are referring to, but the St. Louis
Jesuits have various songbooks out (Dwelling Place, Wood Hath Hope,
Earthen Vessels, Lord Of Light) that were preceded by a songbook or
two with lots of songs in them.  "Glory and Praise" is one song out
of Dwelling Place and the earlier songbook, I think.  I highly recom-
mend the 4 books - great songs, sometimes long, but of noteworthy
composition.  Most of the songs are more folkish, oriented around
guitar and flute.  Later songs are more piano-oriented and include
drums.  There are tapes available.  Many of the songs would fit in
a wedding.  

Hope this is a good lead for you.  Songs are from the late seventies
and eighties.
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Div. of Radiation Oncology
Mayo Clinic, Desk R 
Rochester, MN 55905            
(507) 284-3551                  Internet:   bourland@mayo.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: msentell@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov (Mark Sentell)
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Organization: United States Geological Survey
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:07:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.101208.5802@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Anyone listen to the Indigo Girls?  What's their story?  I've been wondering if

My best guess is that the Indigo Girls are somewhat like the majority of people who live without Jesus...they are searching for answers and for meaning in life.  Of course, they are looking at religion and philosophy to find themselves, but they have yet to latch onto truth.
 
mws


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From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:51:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul20.142448.10094@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Douglas C. Pearson) writes:
>> Mike Warnke is, for lack of better terminology, a Christian stand-up
>> comedian. He has put out many albums and videos, to the point where his
>> videos reportedly outsell those of Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy.
>> Warnke even put out a book entitled The Satan Seller which describes
>> practices of satanism and Warnke's supposed involvement with that.
>>
>> Now, the latest issue of Cornerstone is supposed to have an expose on
>> Mike Warnke, exposing such things as falsified testimony and four wives
>> (not simultaneously, though). Can anyone confirm or deny these details
>> or the report in general as I don't have access to a copy of Cornerstone
>> (just access to people who have). Has Warnke responded to these charges
>> yet?

I can't vouch for the rumours about multiple wives, though I've never
heard it before.  However, as far as the "accusations" about Warnke
being involved with the Satanic church...heck yes.  He was a high
priest in the church.  I don't think that's an "accusation" when you
consider the fact that that is the whole sum of his testimony, that
God can work through even the most committed sinner.

Now he's totally committed to something else, praise God!  Listen to
his album "Alive" to find out more of his testimony.

--baboo
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:52:48 EDT
From: Barbara K. Laufersweiler <BJK111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
 <1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com>
 <STUCKI.92Jul29125732@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu>
 <1992Jul30.172523.21080@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

I can't stand it.  Y'all gotta read some of Andrew Greeley's stuff!

Yes, Andrew Greeley, Catholic priest, sociologist, and writer.
His fiction is enjoyable, well-written, AND incorporates a view
of God and life that is perspective-stretching and wonderful!

Oddly enough, I started with his popular sociology (studies of
marriage and of American Catholics), found his fiction, and am
madly plowing through lots of that fiction and his more scholarly
sociology and religious imagination work.  Excellent stuff!

Barbara

.........................................................................
 The best way of learning something     Barbara Kratz Laufersweiler
 is to take a leap into the unknown     Dept of Meteorology, Penn State
 without looking back.                  bjk111@psuvm            (bitnet)
            - Yevgeny Yevtushenko       bjk111@psuvm.psu.edu  (internet)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: heckert@brahms.udel.edu (Keith Heckert)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:45:30 GMT

>text deleted<

>'pop'ular sound of 'Heart in Motion'.  Personally, the only album of hers 
>I'll listen to is Lead Me On.  IMHO, it is the deepest and most thoughtful 
>work she has done.  Her earlier work was too lightweight/cheery for my tastes and I can't listen to pop like Heart In Motion.  Besides, who wants to hear 
>cloned albums.  That's why I don't buy much Petra anymore.  IMHO they're almost all the same (to be fair, I am due for a fresh listen).
>
>Remember, Amy isn't disclaiming her earlier work or stance.  If more people are exposed to, and enjoy, her current music more people will be drawn to listen to her earlier work.  People often buy prior music of artists they have just 'discovered'.  If they like what they hear they keep going back.


I agree totally with these statements.....she is trying to expand
her listening audience. Another thing is......why does evry song she
writes have to have a Christian message???  Isn't she allowed to sing
fun-hearted, loving songs with secular subjects?????  

just my opinion

Keith
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: LONG
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:51:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul29.055114.29080
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Jul28.204521.5913@sol.UVic.CA> bdonison@bigbird.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.171948.16305@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul25.152837.18326@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>>>We are not blank slates who are put here to
>>>soak in whatever is put before us.  Scripture tells me that if someone
>>>puts out a video that practially shows two women having intercourse, has
>>>simulated intercourse with men on stage, and publicly denounces Christianity,
>>>then I have every right to tell the person who says that kind of thing is
>>>ok that he is wrong.
>>
>>SCRIPTURE says this?
>Have you never seen mention of immorality or fornication in the Bible???

Yes, indeed, but that is not what he said.  He said that Scripture tells
what he can do in the very specific situation he mentioned.  As I said
(and you deleted), if he is saying that Scripture gives him the guidelines
to use in this situation, then I agree.  

>>>>Can't one simply listen
>>>>to music?  Must one go digging into the lives of every artist to see
>>>>if she or he is living just the way we think she or he ought to live?
>>>
>>>Is this even the point?  I think that the lives of those who we let
>>>influence us DOES matter.
>>
>>Well, I am not sure they do.  I repeat my point that the song is not
>>the singer and deserves to be met on its own terms.
>
>How about this: 2 Corinthians: Chapter 6
>
>6:13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,)
>be ye also enlarged.
>
>6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
>fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
>hath light with darkness?  6:15 And what concord hath Christ with
>Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  6:16 And
>what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the
>temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and
>walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
>
>6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
>Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
>
>6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
>daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Yes, but you see, I don't think that listening to a piece of music
has very much to do with being "yoked to unbelievers."  We are talking
here about an artistic creation and our responses to it.  Because we
are different people, we will respond in different ways.  The music
will speak to us as individuals, and to some of us, it won't say
anything at all.

My enjoying (or not enjoying) a song, a painting, a novel has very little
to do with my "relationship" with its creator.

  --Kim

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From:  (The DOK)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: guess what i heard
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:20:11 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

In article <1992Jul20.170256.8780@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner) writes:
> 
> Tourniquet. on my local college radio station's metal show. (The
> Thrash Can, on WXUT) i was impressed.
> 
> jason "just thought you'd like to know" steiner
> 


      Thank you very much
             The DOK
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: CCM Definitions
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:47:22 GMT

In article <64031@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>>>> You know, after I became a Christian, I had all of my Secular music
>  in one section, and CCM in another, and would see which one was larger.
>  Then I realized that this was silly, because it just seemed pointless
>  to label an art form. I now have all of my music mixed in alphabetical 
>  order with the CCM cd's "touching" their evil counterparts. Face it,
>  music is music, this arguing,(according to Dan) IMHO, is just quibbling 
>  over nit picks.
>
>
>Ahhh...  But couldn't this be construed as "being yoked together with
>non-believers?      :-)     :-)
>
>
>-- 
>"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
>"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
>Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

Your cassettes are heathens then and leavened with the leavening of
unrighteousness. Their plastic is impure and their form tainted. Woe
to the cassette who does not overcome.

              --Stacey -- ps: just kidding

Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:07:05 -0400 
From: "Jon D. Kindy" <jk5z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
	<1992Jul30.031745.20848@aero.org>

sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
> Yeah, I just read an article about how Clinton is playing up his
> "Baptist roots" (whatever that means) to get the Baptist vote. 

When the Clinton/Gore bus tour was in Pittsburgh a couple of weeks
ago, the candidates and their wives chose to attend Pittsburgh Baptist
Church, the church that I happen to attend.  It made for an
interesting service with Secret Service agents all over the place.

After the service, one of the reporters asked our pastor if having the
candidates attend his church meant that the church endorsed the
candidates.  He responded by saying "Absolutely not....  You've got it
backwards.  It means that they're endorsing us."

-Jon
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Rob Althoff)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:25:57 GMT

In article <84728@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren
L. Crawford) writes:

>I sense an impending denominational flame war here.  Could this be
>transferred to soc.religion.christian?  Or better yet, 
>avoided altogether?
 ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

AMEN!!!


>==============================================================================
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
>"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
>wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund

Rob
--
Rob Althoff
Neuroscience Program and College of Medicine
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
email to : ralthoff@s.psych.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: yorrick@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Lincicome)
Subject: Re: the basics
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:26:43 GMT

In article <QeRk_R_00iUx85UH0T@andrew.cmu.edu> ee2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eleen N. Kamas) writes:
>Has anyone out there heard of a group called The Basics?  A friend lent
>me a tape of their album "Will You."  They have a folk sound that I
>rather like.  The tape I have was independently produced, in 1990, in
>Menlo Park, CA.  Has anyone else heard of them?  Do you know if they've
>made any other albums?

I know the Basics; Wade and Kelly Baynham were some of the first people I met
when I started attending the church I go to now.  They are humble, wonderful
people--and dynamite musicians!  

They released _When I Close My Eyes_ about six months ago.  It's a lot better
produced.  Tom Lillo, the producer, still helps out on electric guitars, but
the Baynhams picked up a drummer, Todd Dorman.  The bass player, Dave Stubbs,
is married and gone...

A fantastic album, IMHO.  They prove that a band can be definitely Christian
and still have something to say to the world.  Love songs, psalms, all kinds 
of stuff.  See them live, give them money, tell them I sent you.  I can get
you their address to get an album from them (CD's now--yay!), if you like.

Forever In His Care,

	greg


p.s. by the way, who loaned you the album?  I might know him or her, and I'm
curious to find out either way.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:49:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I sense an impending denominational flame war here.  Could this be
transferred to soc.religion.christian?  Or better yet, avoided
altogether?


-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 16:20:53 EDT
From: <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Are there any Christian industrial bands?

Could someone please list the names of Christian industrial bands
whose sound is similar to bands such as Nine Inch Nails and the
Ministry?  Thanks!

Andie.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Subject: Re: warnke: literary liberty?
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.145304.20381@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>First of all, I find the Cornerstone allegations convincing.
>
>Now, are we (the rest of christians) somewhat to blame, for taking Mike
>Warnke too seriously? This isn't a seriously developed thought, but 
>i wonder. I mean, he _is_ a comedian. And you don't expect to believe
>everything a comedian tells you. Like Warnke talks about firefights in
>Vietnam, napalm exploding around, etc, and then he says that he was
>struck by an arrow. Obviously he did not really get hit by an arrow, and 
>the account was for humor. 

Umm, I don't think I can quite go along with this type of reasoning.  To
say that all comedians tell us stuff they don't intend to be believable
is letting him off the hook.  I have the privilege of seeing Grady Nutt
in concert.  Grady was as funny as they come.  And Grady did exagerate
for comic effect, but none of his stuff that I heard could be viewed as
an outright lie.  I can't say in Mike's case, since I haven't heard his
concert or read the book.  Can anyone else enlighten me?  Did Mike put
the bit in about the arrow for comic effect?

>
>Now, I'm not excusing what appears to be gross sexual immorality (like
>4 wives), or making up an entirely fradulant testimony (assuming he was
>never in the occult). but isn't his story consistent with being a
>comedian, a story teller?

Again, there's a difference between being a comedian/storyteller, where
you exagerate for comic effect, and building up an entire ministry and
life story on something which isn't true, and then staking your
integrity on it.  

I guess time will tell....

>
>maybe as christians we believe everything that someone says, especially if
>it is a conversion story. 
>
>Granted these are half-baked thoughts. and he was passing himself off --
>not just in a comedy routine, but in his entire ministry -- to having been
>something that he never (apparently) was. 
>
>comments?
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
>jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait
>
>

John
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: ayim@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Wedding Song List
Keywords: wedding list
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

O.k.

Now that I have erased the list of songs for weddings which I
got off this news group about a month ago, I need it.

Could someone please e-mail me the list?

Thanks.
-- 
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*  Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim                 * 
*  4A Mathematics (Act. Sci.)            *
*  University of Waterloo                *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: King's X discussion field!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:43:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.183504.14496@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
>
>Got this in reply to my RFD retraction:
>
>> Chuck...
>>
>> *Please* bring some discussion about King's X over to
>> alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive.  We just created the
>> newsgroup in lieu of music.queensryche so we could talk
>> about a whole mess of prog metal bands, including Kings X.
>> So bring it on over!  (And since I don't yet subscribe to
>> the newsletter, could you announce it there?)
>>

Please keep posting it here, too, as alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
doesn't seem to exist at my site.

Cheers,
John
From: NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM Definitions?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:44:57 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    There seems to be a lot of controversy in this net over the labeling of
music as either Christian or secular/non-Christian.  It seems that most people
set their own criteria for CCM :

 a. Has the singer/group made a public announcement of their faith?
 b. Do the lyrics specifically mention Christ or God with reverence?
 c. Is the singer's music released on a Christian label (i.e. Sparrow)?


    My challenge to you is to come up with the best definition of
Contemporary Christian Music.
    If we could get most of the netters to agree on this, it might save a lot
of arguing.

      KEY MATTERS TO TAKE IN TO CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR DEFINITION
1. See the above list
2. Can instrumental music be categorized?
3. How should cross overs such as Chagall Guevera, MWS, Kathy Trocolli,
   Amy Grant, etc. be classified?   Note: I mean Chagall has x-over members.
4. How should U2 and other bands with Christians not on Christian labels be
   classified?


    I am intentionally starting (hopefully) a thread here that will resolve
more differences than it stirs up.  Please post your definitions.  Don't send
them to me because I'm using a borrowed account.

I hope you participate.

Thanks....
Dan @psu.vm
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Def Leppard and Petra???
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:00:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I remember someone pointing out that the CD jacket for Def Leppard's
_Hysteria_ album listed Petra in the special thanks.  Does anyone
know the story behind this?  (Sorry if this has been hashed out
before, but there are always new people who might be interested.)

--PC