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Subject: Re: Depression
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:59:23 -0600

In article <lynn.921213154811@fusion.physics.auburn.edu>  writes:
>What I've always found to get me in a really good funk, is
>to just think about my life, and how utterly meaningless
>and empty the whole world is around me. Some of my favorite
>personal points to ponder:
>
>         1. I'm a lifeless geek.
>            a. I'm 20 and still a virgin

You forgot to add: ".. (against my wishes.)"

>            b. I've had only one date

Good? Bad?

>            c. My chances at meeting members of the opposite
>               sex can only go DOWN as time increases. A
>               graduate student who finds love? Shyeah,
>               and monkeys might fly outa my butt. And how
>               many professional scientists find love at the
>               workplace? NOT MANY.

If all else remains equal, yes.

>            d. For all intents and purposes, I am INVISIBLE
>               to members of the opposite sex.

Great! Where'd you take your lessons? :)

>         2. The more we know about the universe, the more it
>            seems pointless.

Wonderful! Then we can relax and get to stuff we enjoy.

>            a. everything outside of earth is extremely hostile
>               to human life.

Great! What a challenge.. Or.. What an excuse to stay on the couch! Yay!

>            b. 2nd law of thermodynamics
>            c. big bang
>            d. big crunch

My memory fails me on those. 

>
>         3. Humans are incredibly selfish, greedy, stupid animals
>            with no long term memory, and no ability to think
>            about the future. Who cares what happens? We're all

It could be good that we are all greedy. If we weren't all greedy, we wouldn't 
learn compassion. Maybe. (Heh.. A problem with this pet theory is that we would
never reach a conclusion. Oh well.)

>            going to be dead very soon, with respect to the universe,
>            and even geological history. We're just a flash in the
>            pan.

Pff.

>Hope that helps -- NOT
From: batboy@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Kali
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

>Lorelei

Isn't there a Cocteau Twins song called 'Lorelei'?

>71544.467@compuserve.com (I think)
>  -or-
>das@canctr.mc.duke.edu (for sure)
>-----
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Hemmingway (Re: famous suicides)
Summary: Think again... 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:41:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222251.22944@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In the case of Hemmingway, he did die by shotgun.  However, the incident
>was not a suicide.  He did not know the proper procedure for cleaning a
>gun; he cleaned it when it was fully loaded.
>
>It just goes to show that even great authors make mistakes.
>
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	Uhhh... don't mean to burst your bubble, but I've know more than
a few people who have knocked themselves off under the guise of stupidity
with guns.  I recall a few different English teachers throughout my life
saying he died while cleaning a loaded gun, but they expressed sincere 
doubts about it being an "accident".  The only person who would know
for sure is the one who pulled the trigger...

	Psycho Kitten

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: wilsonandrew@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:36:51 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

JUST DO IT.
Great slogan. 
Words to live by..er..well, you get the point.
yeah, folks. 
Merry fucking christmas. 
everybody looking forward to getting neat presents?
that's great. 
here's what the christmas season her at lovely Byooona Veeeeestah college 
is like:
trying to cram for finals while enduring the sounds of your floormates 
toasting themselves to oblivion.
stepping over a girl in your bathroom flailing drunk and writhing giggling 
in her own puke.
her friends too wasted and busy laughing to help her up. 
christmas carols piped through the campus speakers. 
christmas decorations everywhere. 
spray-can snow getting all over your trenchcoat when you try and step 
around a group of jocks who are busy ignoring you. 
walking into your studio and finding your work vandalized and your supplies 
stolen. 
trying to find the other half of your sketchbook that some asshole ripped 
up. 
trying to ignore the constant "fuck you , you suck" glare that your major 
professors never fail to give you whenever you walk by.
eating dinner alone and watching the girl you're in love with eat with her 
boyfriend, occasionally shooting glances in your direction and laughing. 
and the only contact with home is from ex-girlfriends bitching at you and 
trying to get you to "come back", while you suppress violent gag reflex....
fuck it, who cares
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: ...oops ( was Re: "methods" list
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:51:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.033933.21158@udel.edu> tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.031642.20239@udel.edu> tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain) writes:
>>heh... then kali could get her head on a silver platter.
>>
>figured id correct this now before i get mail about it... i misread her .sig:
>thought it said head, not heart.  i *REALLY* need to get my eyes checked or
>something.  
>
>feh.
>-- 
>Thomas H Jones II                             "Hmm... that wasn't at all what I
>      aka.	                                            expected." --me
>	thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu

What?..I seem to have missed the original post..talking about Kali? My
*own* head (evil grin..flexing claws..)?  Just curious..how was I going to
get my own head on a silver platter..and yes..it has always been heart..
sigh..cause poor lil ol Kali has no heart..only a silver filigree jeweled
bauble..


-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Contemplating suicide
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:16:35 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

    If the petty financial systems this foolish society has its master (you, it
s your money) then kill the system. Why should you suffer for its failing





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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:14:05 GMT

In article <1gd750INN54l@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k) writes:
>
>Erm, I dunno...does this really count?  It's more like "execution" to my
>taste...the courts of his time ordered him to die, and to prove that he
>did not, in fact, oppose authority the way the Establishment of his time
>believed he did (he was convicted of "corrupting the youth" or something
>similar, I think), he did.  Ok, technically, it was suicide; he knew what
>he was drinking and did it with his own hand--but I'd call it execution,
>not willful suicide.  He didn't particularly *want* to die, after all.
       He had the choice of complying with the authorities, or trying to
run away to save his life.  He considered running away a bad move; so he
accepted the hemlock.  He didn't especially *want* to die, and yet he did
so willingly (rather than betray his own principles).  It was both an
execution and a suicide...a suicide demanded by the State.
 
euclid
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
"What!?!  Whaddaya mean, 'no mustard'??!??"
From: jos@and.nl (Jos Horsmeier)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Valley Girls!
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:29:23 GMT
Organization: AND Software BV Rotterdam

In article <1992Dec7.204741.25610@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
|In article <4037@dozo.and.nl> jos@and.nl (Jos Horsmeier) writes:
|>In article <1992Dec5.200202.15798@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
|>|Hey!..I take exception to the post downing that young woman..and calling her a Valley Girl as if it were a bad thing.  Valley Girl is another persona *I* ahve
|>|and actually..it can be quite fun..and Killi is often a Valley Girl..there is
|>|more to us than you think...so..for gawd's sake..dude..lighten up..I mean..like
|>|can't understand..Valley Girls get sad sometimes..

|>Fer sure, fer sure ... gag me with a spoon little lady! I mean, you're
|>totally, I mean, you're so gross! ;-)

|Like..shut up..Dutch Dude..with your stuuuupid zilly wooden shoes clumping
|around..i mean..go to a fashion consultant..your image..well..really ..you
|need help;-)

There's nuffin' wrong with my image! It's just that little kiddos start
crying when they see me, and those silly dogs all start barking ...

|Gross to the max..that's your middle name..so watch it..do you want the
|Chocolate Doughnut torture again?

Ooh nooo! Not the Chocolate Doughnut torture! You're giving me suicidal
tendencies by threatening me like that! Erm ... lemme think ...

ObSuicide: Use super glue to glue your nostrils and lips together and
	   finally glue your hands behind your back. Just sit and wait,
	   and start making funny noises ... Well, if that ain't `classy' ...

Jos aka The Dutch Mountain Man
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From: davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Apartment question
Originator: davew@willow03
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:41:17 CST


If you break a lease by committing suicide, would the apartment manager
likely get the rest of the lease's rent from your estate?


-- 
Dave Wagner                               "Tongue-tied and twisted,
davew@cray.com , uunet!cray!davew          just an earth-bound misfit, I"
(612) 683-5393                                  -- Pink Floyd
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From: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Out the Window
Reply-To: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:52:16 GMT

Life was fun.  Life was great.
'Til I made my big mistake.
(Oh, no...it'll never happen to me.)
Life was short, and life was sweet;
I was thinking as I hit the street.
I could hardly believe; I could scarcely conceive
But I had gone out the window.
I had gone out the window.
I had gone out the window.
She was fine.  She looked great.
And so we made our big mistake.
(I swear, I swear, I swear it'd never happen to her.)
But the pavement knocked her head around       
When she hit the solid concrete ground.
From thirty flights above
And she was thirty-something, loving nothing
Gone out the window
She had gone out the window.
She had gone out the window.
Catch me if I'm falling.
Catch me if I'm calling.
He was smart.  He was wise.
He'd profoundly philosophize.
"Empathy for all humanity."
'Til one day by an open window there's a note that read,
"I've gone out the window - I'm dead."
He said yes to life for all his life,
But then one day he said:
NO.  I gotta go     
Out the window.
We all go out the window.
Catch me if I am falling.
Catch me if I am calling.
Catch me I am falling.
Catch me I am calling.

-Violent Femmes
Enjoy.  -Lisa
From: llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:49:48 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Chris Smith (with the beard) (pacomius@maths.uwa.oz.au) wrote:

: Sylvia Plath -- gassed herself in her oven

it's pretty likely that plath didn't really intend to die, btw. the
attempt that killed her was her third, and someone was due to visit
her the day she killed herself. the landlady of the hosue plath was
living in was hard of hearing and didn't hear the visitor knocking at
the door.

plath's poetry is amazing, too. far far better than anything the idiot
she was married to (who later became poet laureate of england, bleah)
ever wrote. it's intense to the point of being painful.

--
sine | deb
anne sexton is another amazing woman poet who offed herself
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Meaning of Life and all that;-)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:10:21 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

Interesting that the threads about the meaning/meaninglessness;-) of
life show up today on my newsreader...as daughter and hubby and I rode
back from a rather expensive dinner in an outrageous place..we
discussed these great questions..thoughts..I mention what we had just
done because it seemed to have depressed us all..sitting in all that
luxury..i lost my appetite and could not finish my dinner...(guilt guilt)
sorry mother..I *know* they are starving in Africa..but I just couldn't
eat it.

I digress..my daughter who is not the least bit religious was expounding 
once again about Judeo/Christian philosophy and how it didn't make sense
and if there was a God..why did all those people get killed in a Tidal
Wave a few days ago..and the starving..and AIDS..etc.. I mentioned that
from what I knew of Bibilical stuff..God..Jehovah..(a rather neurotic
god at best;-)..gave diminion (sp?) of the earth to the Devil..etc..
blah blah..and so it would make absolute sense that all these bad things
happen..from that point of view..(not mine BTW)..

So..she says..what do you think?  Hmmm..how parents must hate to hear
that question..that is..parents who don't just parrot out what they
were taught by their parrot-parents.

I think..(i said..carefully choose my words.)..that there is no God
as we were taught in Sunday School..I tend to think it is more like
a Star Trek thing..like with the Force and all that...and so..I'm
rather grateful just to be hurtling along in space..marveling at
the great mysterys that remain..and there are a lot of them. 

My chronic bouts of depression seem to have absolutely nothing to do with
angst over being dealt such bizarre but beautiful parents and having
lots of tragic deaths around me..etc..it seems to be a chemical thing and
so on..boring to all I'm sure..

The point is..

So what if certain people are unhappy cause they are virgins and the
world is full of disease and maniacs..I think it only makes things
more challenging..even *I* was a virgin once..;->..course I know its
different with women..it's all we can do to remain one.

I'm not saying i'm not sympathetic to your feelings..I acknowledge the
sadness and angst and all that..but I seem to run into two types of
people..those who just ruminate about how misrable they are and seem to
relish it after a while..or those who think about it and try to take
small steps toward changing whatever it is that is making them unhappy.

In conclusion (silly grin)..as I cannot believe that *I* of few words
is writing this long rambling missive...I will say a bunch of cliches..

Get Tough!
Just Do It!
Do Something Absolutely Silly!

oh yes..and as Joseph Cambell said
   "Follow Your Bliss"

Now..if I only knew what my Bliss was..I'd follow it;-)

 
-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: seaverw@columbia.dsu.edu (W. A. Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:02:56 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University

Well, since someone's already used Sylvia Plath, here's an alternate 
literary name: Hemingway.

Also Abbey Hoffman. And who was the actress in the '30s or '40s who flung 
herself off the H on the HOLLYWOOD sign?

--Dharma Bum
----
"Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night?"
    --On the Road
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: so here i go. don't you love the psuedo-followup?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:07:14 GMT

In article <ivy.724527922@camelot> ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
writes:
>In <1gml3tINNkd9@life.ai.mit.edu> jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering
>Pedestal of Angst) writes:
>>just let me say that just as you don't know what ya got till it's gone, you
>>don't know what you really want until you get what you thought you did.
>You know... in a bizarre sort of way I think I follow that....
>(read my .sig)
>...
>Ivelisse Atiles       @}--}--}-- "You may find that having is not so
>ivy@camelot.bradley.edu          pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It
>Bradley University               is not logical, but it is often true." -Spock

By the way, for those who don't already know, the quote from Spock comes
from an episode of Star Trek--The Old Series, where Spock is overcome
by the mating impulse and returns to Vulcan to marry his chosen one.
(To make a long story short), Spock ends up fighting Captain Kirk, his
closest friend, because his lady friend selects Kirk as her champion.

Actually, the lady friend (who is Spock's chosen one) no longer wants
Spock; she chooses Kirk to fight Spock because she knows that if Spock
kills Kirk, then he will lose all interest in her (if Spock dies, then
again she will be free of Spock).

Anyhow, Spock duels Kirk, and McCoy injects something into Kirk to simulate
death.  The duel ends with Spock thinking that Kirk has died.  He loses
interest in the lady friend, who then chooses her true love (who just
so happens to be in the mini-arena as well).

Spock turns to her true love and says,
     "You may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all,
      as wanting.  It is not logical, but it is often true."

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Hemmingway (Re: famous suicides)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 05:03:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.024111.2308@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(angela watson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.222251.22944@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In the case of Hemmingway, he did die by shotgun.  However, the incident
>>was not a suicide.  He did not know the proper procedure for cleaning a
>>gun; he cleaned it when it was fully loaded.
>>It just goes to show that even great authors make mistakes.
>	Uhhh... don't mean to burst your bubble, but I've know more than
>a few people who have knocked themselves off under the guise of stupidity
>with guns.  I recall a few different English teachers throughout my life
>saying he died while cleaning a loaded gun, but they expressed sincere 
>doubts about it being an "accident".  The only person who would know
>for sure is the one who pulled the trigger...

Actually, my source is also my English teacher.

She seemed to be a fairly reliable source about the lives of great
authors:  Arthur Miller, etc.  I presumed that her knowledge about
Hemmingway was equally reliable.

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From: mjs@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Lord of the Damned)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Mark, we could use the hanging height list about now...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:02:37 GMT
Organization: Angst Programming I.G.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1ghpciINN5dr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>
>The proper drop heights have been posted here in the past, unfortunately I
>didn't save them.... Mark, do you still have them kicking about? I only have
>the Foucault's Pendulum bit from the novel....
>

Ok, for you MegaZone...

	Culprits Weight			Drop
	14   stone (196 lbs)		8ft 0in
	13.5 stone (189 lbs)		8ft 2in
	13   stone (182 lbs)		8ft 4in
	12.5 stone (175 lbs)		8ft 6in
	12   stone (168 lbs)		8ft 8in
	11.5 stone (161 lbs)		8ft 10in
	11   stone (154 lbs)		9ft 0in
	10.5 stone (147 lbs)		9ft 2in
	10   stone (140 lbs)		9ft 4in
	9.5  stone (133 lbs)		9ft 6in
	9    stone (126 lbs)		9ft 8in
	8.5  stone (119 lbs)		9ft 10in
	8    stone (112 lbs)		10ft 0in

Source: Charles Duff, Handbook of Hanging (Boston: Hale, Cushman & Flint
		1929)
	[i got it from the Book of Lists]

Notes: This is for person of average build with no unusual physical
problems.  The Author (James "Hangman" Barry) noted that when executing
"persons who had attempted suicide by cutting their throats...to prevent
reoping the wounds I have reduced the drop by nearly half."


mark
The Lord of the Damned 


p.s. Damn you MegaZone, you dragged me out of lurk-dom.

p.p.s. Knowledge is not good nor evil, it just is, the uses of Knowledge
may however be judged by the human standards of good or evil. 

p.p.p.s. For future reference MegaZone, i do not capitilize my name because
i do not think i rate capitals... [mark n. ...1b) a spot, stain, scrath,
blemish, mar, bruise, dent, etc...   [New World Dictionary]]


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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.233321.14491@pegasus.com>, alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>       and..I seem to recall that the guy that was leading the "homeless"
>movement..committed suicide..not long after Abbie..his "love" had left
>also..

I remember him.  Mitch Whatshisface.  The sad part was that he had gone on
several hunger strikes in the past few years, and had always negotiated a
settlement.  He could have made a great martyr of himself, as long as he was
planning on dying anyway.  I guess he got to the point where he didn't give
a shit.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: nicolett@carson.u.washington.edu (Nicolette Roberge)
Subject: Re: famous suicides
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:55:24 GMT

Also Sylvia Plath.  

And the guy ( I don't remember his name) who was a
teen heart throb on some soap-opera -- I think he played a guy who worked
in a garage.  He was Hispanic.  After his fairly well publicized death
about six years ago (?) there was a large increase in the number of
suicides among teenagers.

Nicolette.   
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