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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BOWL COMMENTS
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:10:42 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) wrote:
}
}Sugar Bowl: I wish I could have seen this, but oh well. By the score I am safe
}            in saying that it was a pounding by 'Bama. Crimson Tide 1992 
}            National Champs...'nuff said.

No, I'm afraid it's not enough said.  When you post a bunch of manure 
like the following before the game:

}                                                                    The posse
}of Miami will molest the Bama DB's like a Miami cheerleader.
}                          The Sugar Bowl: Miami pounds Bama into fine granules
}of crystalized sucrose.
}Surely you jest. Bama simply will be destroyed by Miami. Look at how Bama's 
}offense was stuffed when the defense put on the least bit of resistance.
}                                                              Miami's defense
}is worlds apart form that UF squad, and they will rip Bama's pathetically
}impotent offense to shreds.
}                                                        As far as the passing
}game goes, the posse is gonna have a field day against Bama's DB's, as much
}yards as Bama was giving up in the air to UF, UM will be able to do as they
}please. 
}                                 Torretta is also a much better defensive
}reader than Matthews, and will be able to pick apart the D. 
}                                                  Bama has shown repeatedly
}throughout the year that thier offense is simply not up to snuff. 

... then you owe the Crimson Tide a much lengthier, more detailed
apology.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hail Stanford!--best record in the PAC10
Summary: Walsh's chances of going all the way
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:46:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iddmfINNc6f
Organization: University of Washington
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In article <yvonne.726273254@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>>I liked Stanford from the beginning.  They've got that PRO look and a great
>>coach to boot.  They did damn well this year with a team that wasn't built
>>by walsh. I say that Stanford could go all the
>>way next year.  I give em a 1 in 6 (roll of the die) shot.  I think they've
>>got a real advantage with walsh at the helm.  Pac ten co-champions and as 
>>good as any pac ten team I think.

>Not to put water on all the Stanford praise, but I don't think Stanford will
>"go all the way" next year, if that means national championship.
>Stanford is losing to many people to expect them to go all the way.
>Still, they should be good.  Everybody but Chris Dalman returns on the O-line.
>Steve Stenstrom's coming back, and could be the Pac-10's best QB.  Justin 
>Armour's coming back at WR, and Ellery Roberts
>could pose a Vardell-like threat at FB.  Sure, we'll miss Glyn Milburn 
>early on, 
>but we've got verbal commits from some stellar kids at that position.  The jr
>college transfer WR from Idaho should more than make up for Mike Cook and 
>David Calomese.

I did say 1 in 6 though.  My thinking is that Walsh did a damn fine job this
year with what he had and it's probably not unrealistic to think that walsh
can attract some top talent and start a few freshmen to fit into his program.
I think walsh is one of the greatest all time coaches and should attract some
top recruits to fill in the holes.  I say 1 in 6 cause I'm not sure he can 
fill EVERY hole but then we don't really know his game plan do we?  I gotta
give him a shot at it.  Coach don James said he is worried about Walsh taking
the top recruits away from washington and I gotta agree.  I'd rather play
for walsh (the guy with 4 super bowl wins).
wessir
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From: xx10645@cehp15 (Xiaocun Xu)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--rankings by conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:02:55 GMT

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:


>Big 8				WAC
>-----				---
>90 Missouri	.54		68 Utah St		.83

Is Utah St. in WAC?  They play Utah and BYU every year, but I don't
think they are in WAC, at least until last year.  Did they join
WAC the same time with Fresno St.?

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:52:46 GMT

In article <76101@apple.apple.COM>, mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson)
wrote:

> Well the teams will be different and it won't be next weekend, but ND and FSU
> start an annual series next year, so that is something to which one can look
> forward--bound to be even more fun and good football than the ND/Miami series.

Nov 13, in South Bend. That could be a "chilling" experience for 
the Noles. Especially the fans... 

James
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From: wcarroll@encore.com (William Carroll)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:09:07 GMT

conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>  The NFL really could use a farm system, but 
>their attempts so far (see World Football League) have not done so well.

Possibly because those attempts have all been more like a second league
than a farm league. Big budgets need big crowds, big crowds need names to
draw them, big names need big money, etc.

Frankly, I think most major college football programs provide a more
comfortable life to their players than most minor league baseball teams.

>Food for thought.  When was the last time you remember a school getting
>caught for recruiting violations in baseball?  Could this possibly be
>because there is a farm system for baseball where talented players
>can make a lot of money even if they don't make it to the bigs?

Or could it be because baseball doesn't make nearly as much money for the
school as football?

And minor league baseball players don't "make a lot of money". Most eke
out an existence.


--
William R. Carroll (Encore Computer, Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com

"We trained hard,  but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form
up into teams, we would be reorganized.  I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;  and a wonderful method
it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion,
inefficiency, and demoralization."	-Petronius Arbiter, 210 BC
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:03:39 GMT

In article <ASH.93Jan4144721@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
>overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
>Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
>crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
>reasons to pick on them now?

Alabama won, I have to admit.  But, I tell you what --
I would take Miami in a second in there were to be a rematch.  I STILL think
Miami is the better team (although if I were an AP poll voter, I would be
reluctantly obliged to vote Miami #1).  

I'm usually not a "woofer" (and I sure as hell don't know exactly what a 
"woofer" is or what the whole "woo" religion is about), but go to hell 
Alabama!!   You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!

;7)

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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:49:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>>	Rank   School              Record   Points
>>	------------------------------------------
>>	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
>>	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
>
>How in Aunt Fannie's Corset can Nebraska be ranked lower than Colordo?
>Nebraska thoroughly beat Colorado in the regular season and both lost
>in bowl games.  In addition, there's the Buffs tie to Oklahoma.

remember Iowa State? They should be ranked higher than Nebraska.

>First there was the perennial bias against the Huskers in the electronic
>media starting with ABC and Keith Jackson, now it's the voters.  I would
>have reversed the positions and possibly put the Huskers at #11.

Stanford is ranked higher that Washington eventhough they lost badly
to Washington. FSU is above Miami. So your argument doesn't count...

besides, Nebraska was thoroughly beaten by FSU whereas CU was beaten by
the officials...

>Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl

Njan
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:24:47 GMT

In article <Tyc=vCA@engin.umich.edu>
hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> In article <1993Jan05.084506.21731@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
> > EXCUSE ME!   NOBODY in the BOWL games!!!!
> > ...
> > I'll give you one... Ole Miss played Air Force!

Recall that Air Force was locked into the Liberty bowl by the bowl coalition,
since they were the highest ranked service academy.  If this was the only
invitation Ole Miss received, then they didn't have much choice about the
calibre of opponent.

> Oh come on Dale!  Did I ever say the SEC teams played nobody in the bowl
> games?  Quote it!

The quote you demand was included in the article you referenced, but here
it is again just in case you missed it.

In article <TQc=BD+@engin.umich.edu>
hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> Just a bread for thoughts:  You cannot simply use no. of bowl wins to
> determine which conference is the toughest/best.  Say, may be a
> conference which having 6 teams in bowl games and win 5 of
> them because most of them are playing nobody in these bowl games.

This seems to imply that the SEC played nobody, but perhaps you were
thinking of another conference which had six teams in bowl games and
won five of them?  :-)

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Bama National Champs!
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:31:38 GMT

In article <1iaa3pINNfjq@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>, ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
|> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <aggie-040193111418@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> >|> I know the first one in the 3rd quarter led to a TD. What's a defense to
|> >|> do? your offense just *gives* the ball to the other guys inside the your
|> >|> own 30 yard line. 
|> 
|> >I know you're joking here, but some unbelievers have tried to pretend those
|> >turnovers by the Canes were bad luck. I'm sorry, but interceptions like that are
|> >SKILL, dammit. Not to mention running down a wide-open receiver and taking the
|> >ball from him.
|> 
|> Even though Alabama played great defense, IMHO, the main reason for those
|> interceptions was Torretta.  It was a combination of good defense and bad
|> offense.

    Let's examine the root cause.  The reasons for Toretta's poor performance
were  1) He was SCARED stiff, and 2) He was so confused he couldn't find his *ss
with both hands and a flashlight.  Now to break it down further:

Why was Gino scared?   *DING*  Right!  The Alabama Defense

Why was Gino confused?  *DING*  Right!  The Alabama Defense

What was the main reason for "those interceptions"?   Now you've got it!

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
                  "TIME OUT!!!"  --Whatshisname

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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: My Bowl Thoughts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Jan 1993 13:50 EST  

Everyone else posted their comments, so here are mine.

1 Elvis Grbac is better than Gino Who.  Eric Zeier is probably better than 
both.

2 A lot of teams claim to have tough defenses: Texas A&M, Miami, etc.  I 
have thought that teams like Arizona were probably better defensively than 
some of the top 10.  But Alabama is without doubt the BEST defense in the 
country.

3 The money that Arizona State spent on the new field at Sun Devil Stadium 
was WASTED!!  There must be a thousand other ways that money could have 
been better spent.

4 Penn State is the most overrated team in the country.  On the other hand, 
everyone was just about right about A&M--good enough to be undefeated 
against weak teams, but not National Championship quality.

5 George Teague was the most valuable player in the Sugar Bowl.

6 Long live Keith Jackson!  And may Brent Musburger be fired again.

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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Organization: ^$
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:47:57 GMT

In article <79202@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) wrote:
>}
>}Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
>}I have EVER had the misfortune to hear! 
>
>If there is any justice in the world, a law will be passed requiring
>Keith Jackson to call only games in the South.  These left coasters
>clearly don't deserve him.

 Agreed. But ABC sure pulled a boner with that Michael Rodgers interview
in the first half. That was THE funniest sideline interview I have ever heard.
Do you think they even talked to this guy before sticking a mike in his face?
Does anybody even know what he said? Something about "they said I could dress-
out", yet there he was in street clothes. Hilarious.

>
>BTW, the "WORST announcer" is in Atlanta this week to receive the
>lifetime acheivement award of the coaches' association, something
>very, very few broadcasters are ever honored with.
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>
>   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."


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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Smiley instructions:  Was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:02:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>
>I've spent the last 6 years investigating this phenomena known as the 
>"Smiley."
>Using an 8 for the
>eyes means you have big, expressive eyes or maybe you're bug-eyed.
>-- 
>"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)

C'mon Bob, the 8 for eyes means you're toolin' around with sunglasses.  Plus,
you can also do things the other way, like this  (-8b.
Also, the cap can go upside down this way, ala a catcher  (-8P

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Worst Announcer
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: rec
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:32:16 CST

In article <1993Jan6.135409.16699@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Worst announcer in football?  It can't be Keith Jackson---he's harmless.
>Musberger is just annoying.  Todd Christensen, on the other hand, is
>offensive.  Anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl had the (dis)pleasure of
>hearing his ``color'' commentary.  That color must be black.  He has the
>most soporific, deadpan delivery, seems to feel no excitement at all
>with what he's doing, and constantly denigrates the players' achievements
>on the field.  The way he analyzes plays, you get the impression that no one
>ever does anything well; good things happen to one team only when the other
>team commits some egregious error.  Get a life, buddy.  Maybe he can wander
>off to broadcasters' purgatory to play gin with Joe Namath...

Todd is still bitter because as good of a TE he was, Ozzie was always
better.  :^)
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:37:08 GMT

	With regards to the ND backfield for next year. The starting QB will
probably be Kevin McDougal who hasn't got much playing time but has moved the
team most of the time that he was in there. Also had an outstanding '92 spring
game. The RB will right now be Lee Becton (not much speed but has the ability
to gain yards and gets 1st downs) and Willie Clark (lots of speed but has been
hurt quite a bit so his ability is still unknown). The FB will be Dean Lytle and
???. There is a possiblity that the big losses in the backfield will aid in 
recruiting this year and that some freshmen may get significant amounts of playing time.
	Next year will probably be a pretty good test of Holtz's offensive
system. His teams always have been able to run the ball very well and a lot of
that has to do with the ofensive line play. That should continue to play well aslong as Joe Moore is the line coach. But it will be a challenge especially earlyin the year.
	As an aside, does it bother anyone else that the college players leave
early. I realize that they have $$$ staring them in the face but it seems to me
like they are breaking a committment. The schools offer them a scholarship at the beginning that covers the whole time that they will be in school. They don't,
and actually can't, reevaluate that committment every year. We could have long
discussions on who is getting more out of this arrangement, the players or the
schools, but it does seem that in these cases the players are not honoring the
committments that they made when they signed the letters-of-intent. 

-- 

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From: rsumner@ho17.eng.ua.edu (Richard J. Sumner)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:44:54 GMT

OK, first a big deserved ROLL TIDE.!!!

#1, best in the country, end of story.  

What can I say, we got no credit from anyone all season, but there it is,
13-0!!

As for trash, I have none.  Please excuse the few Bama fans that insult,
but we are a bit FANatical about the UA.  After 100 years of a truly great
and classy program, you get that way.  The only diff. between the Miami
blowhards and the Bama blowhards is when they are talking.  Miami talked
before the game, Bama after.  Neither is really necessary, but there is a 
key difference there.  (As for Dennis's kid after the game, it is terrible
and inexcuseable, but if your label the person that did it as the typical
Bama fan you are as ignorant(sp?) as the person or people who did it!)

To the people who think that bama has no class due to a few fans being 
overexcited after the (EXCELLENT) game, I think you'll find that most 
people refering to Bama's class are speaking of the players and coaching
staff.  Look at the behavior of the two teams, both before and after the
game.  Before the game everyone saw Miami's players talking with few 
exceptions.  ( One such exception was the few times I saw Gino(who?) before
the game.  He showed more class than any other UM player that I saw).
One big example of no class was that huge UM player (forgot the name) 
who ran up to an announcer before game (uninvited) and said "Now you're
gonna see some real football, SON!".

I don't think it can be argued that the BAMA team as a whole did not show 
a LOT of class before and after the game.

The main point is that that #1 ranking is for the Classy players and coaches,
not the fans.

Best Quote of the Bowl:  "The whole second half was kind of a blur"

Best Play:  No contest there, it's the play that never was.

Best Picture:  Seen in the Tusc. News, Rohan "the mouth" Marley getting knocked
               head over heels by a blocker  (Houston?)

Quote I didn't hear but wanted to:  Anything from Bobby Bowden (remember him 
       saying "If you want #1 v. #1, you better get FSU and UM, anything else
       would be #1 v. #2.")

And finally, the prediction of the year:

  
  I thought I'd take a minute to give my unbiased prediction of the remainder
  of Alabama's season... An undefeated Alabama team will lose a tight, de-
  fensive battle in the Iron Bowl, lose big in the SEC Championship "Bowl"
  to Florida, and then lose by seven to Ohio State in the Florida Citrus
  Bowl, thus become the first college football team to lose THREE "bowls"
  in the same season.

  Dean Money
  Auburn University, Class of 1988
  The Ohio State University, MBA, 1993



Hey all you bama fans, a BIG Roll Tide.  We deserve it!!!!!!

ROLL TIDE



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