From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Game Over; Thank You For Playing
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.194157.28609@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>In article <5NOV199211415345@utkvx3.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:

>>The greatest thing about this country is our election system.  For over
>>200 years, we have been able to select leaders, rather than resorting
>>to coups, inheritance of position, etc.

>>  To turn your back on the result of the election and say "this is a 
>>sad day for America" is to turn your back on America itself, the 
>>Constitution, and everything "patriotism" means.

>It *is* a sad day for America. An inferior lawyer-politician with bad plans

No, he's a good politician, whether or not he's a good executive.  
And "inferior lawyer?"  What makes you say that?

>is about to take the helm. To say it is only to speak the truth, IMHO.
>Yes, it is wonderful that elections decide these things and not
>violence, but to pretend that that is all there is to Democracy is
>simply wrong. 

>> I suffered quietly under 12 years of Reagan/Bush,

>I seem to recall that when our great leader Reagan was shot, there
>were people who said that they were sorry Hinkley missed.
>Ugly, hateful people.

Well, that was very few people, or the remark was tongue-in-cheek.  Many
people wished that Reagan would have had to resign or something, but not
that he was dead.

>Reagan had just taken office.  I remember people marching against
>Reagan his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th year in office.
>You know, I even marched one time along with them.
>I recall lies, calumnies, jokes, hysteria, and all sorts of nonsense.
>There wasn't a name he wasn't called by his enemies. I recall

Get real.  This happens with every president.  I remember Democrats
called "Commie pinkos" too.  

>many commentators speaking of how Reagan threatened peace with
>the Soveit Union when he spoke the truth of how it was an evil empire.
>I recall a leftist commenting in 1984 on Reagan's re-election that
>it was the end of democracy in America. This and more, all during

Well, which one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights has Reagan/Bush 
*not* tried to abolish?

>the sublime leadership of the greatest President during our lifetime.

Bwahahaha.  Well, given the record of George Bush, I'd have to call
Reagan the second worst, rather than the worst.

Carter was better than Reagan.  Ford was better than Reagan.  Even Nixon
was better than Reagan.

On the other hand, it was Carter's fault that Reagan got elected.  So I
guess that *is* a major strike against him.  

>He was never given a rest, or acknowledgment of his successes,
>by the Democrats and other ideological enemies. even now, in history,
>*you* can't give him a rest: "suffered"? nonsense. 

>>because it was the the will of the people.  I'm sorry to see that 
>>members of your party lack to maturity to behave in an adult fashion.

>I'm sorry to see that you lack the maturity to accept dissenting voices.
>It *is* mature to speak the truth. You claimed numerous times to be
>informed, and yet you have been corrected numerous times on
>several mistaken beliefs and facts. You are again misinformed here.

>The majesty of our democracy is that the people *always* have an input.
>Not just on election day; and to suggest people should just
>sit down and shut up is an insult to all of us.

Actually, we don't live in a democracy.  We live in a republic.  

>You apparently didn't listen to Perot's speech on Tuesday.
>He spoke of *staying involved* constantly, and keeping the
>politicians' feet to the fire.  That is our right as citizen's.
>No .... it is our duty.

True, but it doesn't make sense to criticize Clinton until he actually
*does* something.

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David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
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