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From: kdw@oasis.icl.co.uk (Keith Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: error when compiling c68 v4 source code for c68.
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:11:30 GMT
Organization: International Computers Limited

In article <9208290342.AA04722@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> glalonde@vnet.ibm.com ("Glen Lalonde") writes:
>The file msgout.c had an include of varagrs.h, this file is not on
>my system(MacMinix 1.5.10) anyone else have trouble compiling it?
>Can I just use stdargs.h?????

Yes you can use stdargs.h provided that you use a compiler which
supports ANSI C style varardic function definitions, e.g. the posted
c68 binary,  due to the way that we configured msgout.c (we plan to
make this selection easier next version).  You will also probably have
to add the vfprintf() function which has just recently been posted to
your C library.  However if you want to use varargs.h here is the
version that I have:

/*  varargs.h  */

typedef char *va_list;

#define  va_dcl		int va_alist;
#define  va_start(p)	(p) = (va_list) &va_alist;
#define  va_arg(p,type)	( (type *) ((p)+=sizeof(type)) )[-1]
#define  va_end(p)
Keith Walker, ICL, Lovelace Rd., Bracknell, Berkshire, United Kingdom RG12 8SN
Email: kdw@oasis.icl.co.uk; Phone: +44 344 424842 x2209; Fax: +44 344 487832
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: porting GNU stuff to MINIX
From: system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 15:57:09 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:

> 
> What are the obstacles to installing stuff from GNU under MINIX? For example,
> if I obtain the GNU C Compiler from prep.ai.mit.edu and download it to
> a PC running minix, will it compile under the residentminix C compiler
> and will it work right? DItto for all the other GNU stuff.
> 
> There is other free software that I would also be interested in
> installing, such as the group theory package GAP. Has anyone tried to
> install in under minix?
> 
> Allan Adler
> ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu

Only if minix has eliminated the 64k page size limit and ONLY on a 386.  
Probably only with the compiler that is used on the 386 minix port.  On 
the 68000 side I don't think it is a problem.  
Scott


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From: nemossan@uitec.ac.jp (Sakurao NEMOTO)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: version History of MXboot
Summary: MXboot's history
Keywords: MXboot, HDD-selection (drive & partition) at boot-time
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:49:21 GMT
Organization: Univ. Industrial Tech., Sagamihara, JAPAN


Thank you for your attention to MXboot.

>      Recently I have baught a copy of 16-bit version Minix 1.5.  I am 
> trying to convert it to 32-bit version Minix386.  I have been told that
> few weeks ago you guys have posted a new version of MXboot that will 

No, I have poseted "minix-V" package to display Japanese Kanji on PC-ATs,
but it may be half true, because the minix-V package contains the newest
MXboot-package.


> help me in my work.  I tried to get 'MXboot' from ftp cites.  However, 
> most of them are very old. At the same time I also found several bug 
> fixes also.  I am not sure which patch goes with which version.  

The newest version of MXboot is v2.01, which I have posted it July of
the last-year (1991), and RePosted in last Jan.  Documents for the
MXboot-2.01 is RePosted at the 3-rd time, a couple of weeks ago.

At the first time of its deliver, MXboot was v0.8 which does not
support V2-File-systems and there was one mistake in "makefile",
several days after it, I have posted its fix.

There may be some difficulties in MXboot-2.01 posted last Jan;  if
you install it under 386-minix.

A couple of weeks ago, I have posted minix-V, which displays Japanese
Kanji on IBM-PCs, and you will find all the files necessary to install
MXboot in the package, there is no difficulties even if you want to
install it under 386-version of minix.


Thus my reccomendation is to get minix-V package and extract files
from "kernel.tar", and patch your original sources by them.


The "minix-V" package itself does not contain all the files to install
(or modify from 16-bit-minix to) 386-minix, because it lacks ex. bcc
or bcc's libraries, necessary to install 386-minix.  If you want to
install 386-minix, you are necessary to get Bruce Evans's 386-kit.
If you have Bruce's 386-kit, MXboot works on 386-minix besides pure
PH's 16-bit-minix.  You can boot-up 386bsd from the second HDD by it.


> Therefore, may I request you to send me a copy of recent version of 
> 'MXboot' or the name of a ftp cite (along with the name of the directory)
> where I can find a copy of recent version of 'MXboot'.  

Unfortunately, I have no-access to IP, so I don't know where you can get
it by FTP, but try nosc.mil, where broman@rats.nosc.mil (Vincent Broman)
corrects many archives on Minix, or nodak.edu, or Mars-Hotel-BBS in
Amsterdam.

To send them via e-mail, it is too big, it consists of 8-messages and
7-messages of font-package, the latter you may not need.


Yours
	(Thu) Aug 27 14:23 JST(+0900) 1992  nemossan@uitec.ac.jp
	(NEMOTO Sakurao, Univ.Indust.Tech. Sagamihara 229 JAPAN)

Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: newsham@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Timothy Newsham)
Subject: amoeba
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:51:21 GMT

Which newsgroup carries amoeba related traffic?  I havent noticed a
comp.os.amoeba, and i have no newsgroups with *amoe* pattern in them
in my newsrc...
From: rwmj@st-andrews.ac.uk (Richard William Martin Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Minix/386: why are 16-bit binaries not allowed?
Keywords: Minix 386
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:42:43 GMT
Organization: Daesbury Lab., Warrington

Hi.

As it stands, you don't appear to be able to run 16-bit binaries under
Bruce's 32-bit kernel. Why is this? I was under the impression that by
setting a bit in the control register (the 'default size' bit), 16-bit
code can run in a segment of its own, alongside other 32-bit processes.
Would it be possible to make a small patch to the kernel so that 16-bit
binaries ran in their own 16-bit segments, or are there more fundamental
reasons why 16-bit support is not possible? I ask this because I don't
want to recompile every program when I upgrade (I'd rather do it in
stages). Also, I have a binary-only program that would be impossible to
recompile.

Rich.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: darius@edm.isac.ca (Darius S. Naqvi)
Subject: FTP archive sites
Organization: ISA Corporation, Edmonton, AB
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 15:17:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.minix


I've been running MINIX-ST and following comp.os.minix for a year or two
now, and I've noticed that it's been a looooooooong time since anyone
bothered to update the information about FTP sites in the periodic
"Minix Information Sheet" posting.

Recently I ftp'd to ftp.uni-koeln.de (since I never could connect to
ftp.thp.uni-koeln.de) and I noticed that that site was set up to display
a message telling people from the US and Canada to use different sites.
The message said that all the files in this archive are from other
archives, and they are limited in their bandwith, so they would prefer
that people use archive sites closer to them.

I understand all this, but I still find that ftp.uni-koeln.de has a lot
of stuff that I can't find elsewhere.  So what I'd like to know is: what
archive sites do all of you (in US and Canada) use to get Minix
software?  I've tried a few listed in the information sheet, but found
most of them pretty useless.  Also, who is it that updates the "Minix
Information Sheet"?  Most of the ftp sites listed say things like "Last
checked: 910115", i.e., more than 1.5 years ago!!  Could this possibly
be updated?

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ISA Corp.                    mail at home: darius%naqvi.uucp@isac.ca
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From: newton@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Question init.c <--> /etc/utmp
Keywords: init login utmp wtmp
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:17:58 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia

In article <1992Aug27.120305.1001@email.tuwien.ac.at> hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Holzer) writes:
>newton@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Newton) writes:
>
>>There's a call to time() that looks something like "ut.ut_time = time()"
>>which doesn't work due to the fact that init.c doesn't #include <time.h>.
>
>Is init different on 68k and PC-Minix? Init.c on PC-Minix 1.5 _does_
>include <time.h> and the parameter is (time_t *)0, so there is no
>problem.

Hmm... must be different.  That one-line bug has been present ever
since I first installed the Prentice-Hall distribution.  Whenver I install
upgrade patches I always have to go back over init and make sure that
it's #include'ing time.h.

I'm actually quite surprised that nobody else has mentioned it (which is
part of the reason why I didn't;  The other part of the reason was that
my net access isn't exactly reliable).  It's really and obvious bug, and
one that I'd have thought would have been canvassed before.

>Byte ordering has nothing to do with that. The upper 16 bits of the

Hmm.  Like you, I thought that the PC init.c was the same as the m68k
init.c (or is it a problem perculiar to Amiga MINIX?).  I was simply
postulating possibilities.

   - mark


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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: wer@mothra.acs.appstate.edu (Robbie Robertson)
Subject: Minor device number / drive type ????
Summary: What's the relationship of minor dev # to drive type ???
Keywords: minor device
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:04:22 GMT

I'm trying to make a device entry for a 3rd floppy (3.5") and just can't seem to
find the appropriate incantation of 'mknod' that allows the disk to be read.

	I've tried :
			mknod fd2 b 2 6 720 # '6' because of floppy.c comments
	       and :
			mknod fd2 b 2 30 720 # '30' because of recent minix faq
					      (it said `28` and add 1 for drive)

	       along with a few other trials and errors.

Both of the above accessed the right drive, but caused a "kernel panic" with the
disk task receiving an unexpected message from HARDWARE (-1), resulting in a
reboot.  Can anyone give me more info on minor device numbers, i.e --
the relationship between minor dev #'s and specific drive types, and the
relationship to the specific drive (dosA, dosB, etc.)?

Thanks,
Robby Robertson, Appalachian State Univ. Boone, NC

Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Holzer)
Subject: Re: FTP archive sites
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:15:12 GMT

overby@cray.com (Glen Overby) writes:

>Don't forget that you can always ask Archie where things exist.

Yes, but archie has a few problems, too: 

    The archie servers are not synchronized. It is possible (and
    has happened to me several times) that your default archie
    server does not know about the host which has the files you are
    looking for, but another one does.

    Archie uses the "ls -lR" command to get a recursive listing.
    This works only on Unix hosts (or FTP servers which emulate
    Unix ls). 

    Last, but not least, archie has the same problem as the Minix
    Information Sheet: If somebody starts a new archive, he has to
    tell the archie servers about it.

In general it does work fine, though.
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From: marcel@comsat.hacktic.nl (Marcel Kat)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: SIGHUP with a MUGNET kernel
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 12:41:32 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: The Public Minix Network, Geldrop Holland

Hi there,

I have a problem with the SIGHUP package as posted in Februari this year.

As soon as an interference occurs on the 'mains', like when i put
a light on, Minix or more likely INIT goes in a SUSPEND state.
As a result a reboot is the only way out. It happens about 3 times a day.

It is probably caused by a signal send to the TTY task, which in turn
processes the signal in a wrong way. All this never happened without the
SIGHUP patches.

I'm using a MUGNET kernel. Did anyone had the same experiences?

	-Marcel

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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Looking for Peter Housel
Summary: Anyone got Peter's e-mail address?
Keywords: Peter Housel
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:30:31 GMT

Apologies for wasting the bandwidth,
but I wonder if anyone would have Peter Housel's e-mail address?
(He wrote a floating point library for ack,
and other Minix software.)

Mail to the address on his programs,
housel@ecn.purdue.edu,
was returned to me.

-- 
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e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: Ban duckponds! <hilander@silver.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: mini-x
Originator: mmdf@louie.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:28:56 GMT

is there a 16bit version mini-x?

where can i find it?

hilander@silver.lcs.mit.edu
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From: wietse@wzv.win.tue.nl (Wietse Venema)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: newgpkt.c V1.6 fix for off-by-one error
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:12:35 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

I found an off-by-one error in the gwrmsg() routine, that caused the g
protocol driver to send an extraneous packet in case of a message that
"exactly fits". A "<" operator was used instead of a "<=" operator.

The problem showed up with messages such as:

    S D.hackticS2528 D.hackticS2528 root - D.hackticS2528 0666 root

The message, including terminating null byte, fits exactly in
a 64-byte packet. However, the gwrmsg() routine would send two
packets, the second one being filled with 64 null bytes.

The extraneous packet would then be interpreted as the first data of
the file to be transmitted, causing havoc with the unbatching of news
batches.

	Wietse Venema
	Eindhoven University of Technology
	The Netherlands

*** newgpkt.c-	Mon Aug 24 23:26:20 1992
--- newgpkt.c	Tue Aug 25 18:30:07 1992
***************
*** 293,299 ****
    len = strlen(message) + 1;		/* total length including '\0' */
    while (TRUE) {
  	if (gsendpkt(message, len, TRUE) < 0) return(FAILED);
! 	if (len < rpktsize) return(OK);	/* end of string */
  	message += rpktsize;
  	len -= rpktsize;
    }
--- 293,299 ----
    len = strlen(message) + 1;		/* total length including '\0' */
    while (TRUE) {
  	if (gsendpkt(message, len, TRUE) < 0) return(FAILED);
! 	if (len <= rpktsize) return(OK);/* end of string */
  	message += rpktsize;
  	len -= rpktsize;
    }
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: awoodhull@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: MINIX or Coherent?
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.124558.4768@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, vanhala@cc.helsinki.fi (Tomas Vanhala) writes:
> I'm deeply contemplating which Unix clone I should install on my 286,
> MINIX or Coherent. Maybe somebody could help by telling me:

  [... 1st three questions omitted] 

> 4) Can either one of them co-exist with MS-DOS on the same hard disk?

Minix can work out well on a hard disk, but there are caveats:

1. support for booting Minix from a hard disk is not part of the current
distribution, you have to add it. I use something called MXBoot, which
puts the Minix system into a file in the Minix directory and allows you
to bring up a menu of possible partitions to boot from if you press a
key while booting. If you don't press the key the default partition (in
my case MSDOS) boots normally. I also have OS-2 in the dual boot mode on
my system, and all three OSs coexist OK.

2. Minix support for hard disk backups is weak. I have a Colorado Memory
Systems tape backup, but no way to use it with Minix except for
transferring files from Minix to DOS. Otherwise you can copy Minix files 
or directories to Minix floppy disks, but this is pretty unwieldy as the
Minix partition fills up.

3. Minix isn't smart about different disk formats, either hard or
floppy. You have to find a boot version that works for you. The Minix 
utility to read and write DOS files is also tricky. I still haven't 
got mine working properly with my DOS hard drive partitions, although 
it works OK with floppies.

Albert S. Woodhull  
School of Natural Science, Hampshire College, Amherst, MA 01002
413-549-4600 ext 581 (office), 413-549-4740 (home)
awoodhull@hamp.hampshire.edu, woodhull@dawn.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: overby@cray.com (Glen Overby)
Subject: Re: FTP archive sites
Organization: ^$
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:32:57 CDT

In article <1992Sep02.151743.22773@edm.isac.CA> darius@edm.isac.ca (Darius S. Naqvi) writes:
>now, and I've noticed that it's been a looooooooong time since anyone
>bothered to update the information about FTP sites in the periodic
>"Minix Information Sheet" posting.

Yes, it has.  In part, I've hoped that the FTP site maintainers would contact
me when they set up or take down their site but that hasn't happened.  The
last update was done by, if I recall correctly, Warren Toomey and it was
around the beginning of 1991.

The person who updates the Minix Information Sheet is probably the person
who posts it or the person listed therein as the person to send updates
to.  All of them happen to be me (at my school address, usually
overby@plains.nodak.edu).  Andy Tanenbaum is the one who origionally wrote
the Info Sheet and frequently updates it himself (especially when there
are major changes).

Updating it isn't magic: someone has to do it.  Anyone want to volunteer
to take up the task?

Don't forget that you can always ask Archie where things exist.

Glen Overby
From: nemossan@uitec.ac.jp (Sakurao NEMOTO)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: trouble with demo disk
Summary: "bi" contained within minix-V package extracts image to a file
Keywords: bi.c, bi, minix-V package
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:07:50 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Univ. Industrial Tech., Sagamihara, JAPAN

In article <ARA.92Sep2150527@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>Is there an inverse to rawrite, e.g. rawread? If so where does one
>get it?

You can use "bi" program contained in "minix-V" package, which I've posted
a couple of weeks ago.  "bi.c" is contained in the tools.tar file, to be
used trially run MXboot via "FDassist".  It can extract boot-image to a file.

	(Fri) Sep 04 11:06 JST(+0900) 1992  nemossan@uitec.ac.jp
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: osynw@terra2.oscs.montana.edu (Nathan Williams)
Subject: Re: C386 v4 tested
Keywords: n
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:48:36 GMT

In article <920903154@frmxqnx.hanse.de> root@frmxqnx.hanse.de (Frank Rabe) writes:
>Hi Minixer's
....
>.. The only thing which is needed is a assembler which is able to use
>the generated floating code, bas doesn't do it. No, No, not gas (gnu assembler) 
>much to big for minix. Has somebody done something on that field? Is it possible
>to modify bas and bld? - 
>	Hi Bruce (Evans), (hope you are listening) is it 
>	possible to get the source for bcc, as and ld, or 
>	at least for as and ld?

You can find the source for as and ld in the Linux archives somewhere.
I would say use archie, but I can't remember the name.  Oh, here it is
bcc_as.src.tar.Z, so look on the linux ftp sites for it.


Nate
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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: phil@plisgyn.demon.co.uk (Philip H Jones)
Subject: Elvis and Kermit Binaries
Distribution: world
Organization: private
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:04:05 +0000

I am running Minix 1.5.10 on a pc and am unable to compile Elvis and
Kermit , can any one direct me to an ftp source for these.
   
             Your's Hopefully Phil

Philip H Jones      phil@plisgyn.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: profesor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew E Cross)
Subject: Re: After effects of MINIX
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:02:05 GMT

In article <ARA.92Sep4022959@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>
>Has anyone ever experienced after effects
>from using MINIX?

Well, I always get this aching sensation in the left half of my head...

Just kidding :)

	-matt

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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: GNU-C recompiled minix wanted
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:23:49 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Sep3.103808.12710@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> vromano@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vincenzo Romano) writes:
>I'm looking for a copy of the Minix Operating System recompiled by using
>the GNU-C compiler. I already own the Minix 1.5 but I'm sure that on my
>386sx machine such a recompiled OS should be faster, isn't it?
>
>Can anyone help me? Can anyone tell me where I can FTP this OS or, at least
>a pre-compiled minix port of the GNU-C?

As far as I know, there is no gcc-compiled version of PC-minix
available.  Gcc won't even run on the basic minix setup: you have to
upgrade to 386-minix by Bruce Evans (this is a good idea anyway, as it
allows you to run other programs that won't work under normal minix
otherwise).  The 386-patches are available (or were when I got them) at
least from plains.nodak.edu, (/pub/minix/oz/ I think). 

If you don't have to run minix, you could be better off trying out linux
or 386bsd instead: they give you everything minix does and then some
(and is compiled using gcc).  For good performance you need at least 4MB
of memory, though, or you'll swap your brains out trying to run all the
GNU software.  Read comp.os.linux/comp.unix.bsd for additional info. 

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: ice@eskimo.celestial.com (Greg Toth)
Subject: More help
Keywords: minix help
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:16:17 GMT


Ok, I have Minix on 3.5" disks. tThe boot drive of my IBM is a 5.25.
I can borrow a IBM with a 3.5" boot drive and 5.25 second drive and
run but how can I back up my 3.5" boot disk to the 5.25?
Just by readn the manual it is not even clear which command , if any,
is used to perform backups. I probably sound a little stupid but
the manual is not clear and I do not have a lot of time to experiment.
Thanks in advance.
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