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From: wgt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: wiper motor HELP.
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:18:33 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University


my windshield wiper motor doesn't work anymore. it's been sitting for a long
time. anyways, anybody know if I should try to fix it myself or buy a
replacement (how much ? and how much, roughly, would it cost to get a 
mechanic put it in for me.)

its an 89 plymouth horizon.

Thanks in advance.

-L
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From: sysjmk@sarah.albany.edu (Joe Kane)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Acura Vigor CD Changer Info Wanted!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:12:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Sep4.181244.902
Distribution: rec
Organization: State University of New York at Albany


 this is a test of follow up - -please ignore

-- 
Joseph Kane				internet:  sysjmk@csc.albany.edu
State Univ of NY at Albany		(518) 442-3711
1400 Washington Ave
Albany,  NY 12222
From: cpanza@cpanza.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Panza)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Another Sport/Utility Vehicle Question
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:23:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: cpanza@cpanza.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cpanza

In article 2650@uswnvg.uswnvg.com, rfadler@uswnvg.com (Rick Fadler) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there towed rather large trailers with a sport/utility
>vehicle? If so, how did (does) it perform?  I'm really interested in how 
>Jeep Cherokees work, but am also interested in other vehicles as well.
>
>I'm thinking of buying a Jeep but have recently heard some horror stories
>about their inability to tow heavy loads without overheating.  I'll be using
>my new vehicle to tow my boat (3000lbs) frequently over mountain passes and
>don't want to have to worry about overheating.
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>Rick

Try the new Grand Cherokee with the 5.6L V8.  I just picked mine up yesterday and the
power is amazing.  It will run circles around the standard Inline 6.  The tow capacity
is 6000lbs and it should tow your boat no problem up any mountain terrain.  You do
pay a 1MPG penalty over the Jeep 6cyl but the difference in HP and torque (which
translates to great acceleration) is well worth it.  Also, the 5.6L is a $750 option.
I was ready to buy a Grand Cherokee with the standard 6cyl until I test drove a V8.
Then there was no way I could settle for the 6.  In addition to delivering more power,
the engine is much smoother and quieter than the 6, which tends to be loud and vibrate
at certain RPMs.  IMHO, in the SUV wars, the Grand Cherokee V8 is now head and
shoulders above the competition.  

Chuck Panza.




Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Subject: Strike at Saturn?
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:45:02 GMT

I just heard some bits & pieces about a strike at Saturn- what's the scoop?
Once again the UAW rears its ugly head-eh? While we're on the topic let me
say that the situation discusts me- regardless of who people want to put the
blame on for the decline of the American auto industry (polititians, the
Japanese, Management, etc.) the truth is that a large part (if not the
majority) of the blame lies with the UAW, and if the reason isn't self
evident, then the reader probably hasn't been to any of the big threes'
auto plants to watch them make chevys,fords, chryslers, etc. any time
in the past decade- although things may have changed SLIGHTLY within
the past few years. From what I've read, heard, etc. it's my impression
that the rest of the American auto industry's attitude towards Saturn is
just an extended form of the classic scenario where a new guy on a Union
job instills panic in his co-workers by working too hard- "Hey, slow
down! Don't you know?- You'll make the rest of us look bad!"
The problem is that labor in the auto industrt is generally not subject
to the same market forces as their employers- if an auto maker
(see: Big Three) isn't performing in accordance with the consumers' standards,
they lose business. But if the union worker isn't performing in accordance
with his employer's standards, well, tough shit for the company. Anyway,
it's tragic that this disease should should aflict this country's first
REAL competitor in the auto industry at such a crucial stage.
                                                            
Andre.
From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Wing for '93 Probe
Date: 25 Aug 1992 22:42:25 GMT
Organization: UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu
Originator: simon@ivem



Where can one find a wing for the '93 Probes?  The factory one costs too
much.

Thanks for your help.

-- 
*   Simon Lee              *   Microscopy and Imaging Resource          *
*   simon@ivem.ucsd.edu    *   Intermediate Voltage Electron Microscopy *
*   sulee@ucsd.edu         *   UC San Diego, Dept. of Neuroscience      *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: berniet@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (bernard.a.tilson)
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:30:00 GMT

To add my two cents - I bought an Si just before Christmas and am quite happy
with it. (It's my first.) I haven't had one problem.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: US Audi and Procon Ten safety features ?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.190029.24661@csus.edu> aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
>Just curious if the new Audi in the US has the Procon Ten safety
>features they have in Europe ?  Procon Ten is, according to their
>ad in CAR magazine in England, is designed to pull the engine out
>of passenger compartment while tightening the seatbelts in the 
>event of accident. The only thing they mention in their US ads is 
>the seatbelt tensioning plus the usual airbags, ABS, etc.

>If they don't have it in the US, why ? 

Don't know about the pulling engine part, but what's missing from the
US Audis are the cables to pull the steering wheel away from the
driver.  The reason for this is simple: US law requires passive
restraints, and it looks like Procon Ten doesn't qualify as a "passive
restraint".  Thus US Audis have airbags.  It would be pretty silly to
have an inflating airbag pulled away don't you think?  American Audis
have in effect half of the European Procon Ten.  (The owner's manual
calls it "Ten" tee hee hee) The patented belt tensioners were a big
factor in the Audi 100 getting very high scores in US govt. collision
tests.  BTW, all Audis sold in the US have "Ten" and airbag standard,
while in Europe you have to pay extra for Procon Ten on some models.

Procon Ten is considered to be such a good thing that Volvo considered
paying Audi royalties to use it in their cars.  I don't know why it
never made it, one could only speculate.  It is also interesting to
note that Honda (or is it Lexus?) is using explosive charges for seat
belt tensioners.  James Bond would have been proud.  :-)


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 20:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.010828.24870@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
|> And I'll tell you exactly what I tell them:  Carburetors.  That's
|> right, carburetors, the gas/air mixture devices that make internal
|> combustion engines work.  

[mythical hyper-efficeint carb propaganda deleted] 
 
|> So where are these miraculous systems?  Are they installed in our
|> automobiles, reducing our fuel consumption and air pollution output?
|> Of course not.  You know as well as I do where they are:  In the
|> vaults of the world's major oil companies.  That's right, build a
|> better carburetor and Exxon will beat a path to your door.  I can't
|> imagine how rich the developers of these super-effient systems must
|> be, now that the oil corporations bought their ideas and stapled
|> their mouths shut with platinum stapleguns.

This argument lacks any basis in fact.  'nuff said.... 

|> So I, for one, will not make an effort to "protect the environment"
|> by recycling my little aluminum cans, or buying brand X because it's
|> packed in recycled cardboard.  Not until I am assured that the oil
|> companies are doing their part: working for the planet rather than
|> against it for the sake of some pretty serious bucks.
|>  
|> The above is (c)1992 by Eric J. Huppertz.  
|> -- 


It seems to me that this belongs on some environmental news group and that
the reference to "carbs" is merely a ruse to justify cross posting to the
autos.tech newsgroup. Please post future environment related articles to the
appropriate news group.

$0.02
Ericy

P.S.  I apologize to fellow auto netters for wasting more bandwidth on this
      subject.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Keywords: Help, Reckless driving
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.155747.10631@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann) writes:
> In article <sgupta.714429321@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu> sgupta@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta) writes:
> >I was charged with reckless driving (81 in a 65 zone) in VA.  Here is the
> >problem :
> >
> You need to do more driving in Montana.  Three years ago I was clocked at 81
> in a 55 (no hills, no excuses).  Total cost was $5, no points, no report
> back to my home state.
> 
> 

   You say the total cost was $5. but don't say who got paid.
   Was it the traffic cop, the judge, or the state of Montana?

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: BMW M3 VS. BMW 325
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:34:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.192910.3969@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>Why? Loads of them round here as daily cars, ok not exactly loads, but 
>hardly a day goes by without seeing 2 or 3. Resale value is high, drivers
>seem happy etc. If there are any M3 drivers out there who'd like to exchange
>their M3 to (my)the standard model they're welcome :-) 

my memory of switzerland is that the roads are in much better shape and
the traffic is much lighter than we see in a lot of the US; that may
contribute to the M3 burnout effect over here.

cheers,
  richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Mini Van
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:34:32 GMT

One reason I like my toyota: I can load a stack of plywood without removing the
seats and close the rear door.
From: jsb@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MORE POWER!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:39:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <1992Aug25.161024.7517@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel) writes:
> Okay, folks, I've got a question for ya.  A friend and I were discussing
> turbocharging yesterday.  In a recent car mag article re a Hennesey Motorsports
> 3000GT VR4, the stock Mitsu 'grew' larger(higher flow) turbos, increasing
> horsepower, etc.  Is this very feasible to undertake on a vehicle?  For ex.
> a Ford turbo/intercooled 2.3L getting a replacement, larger than stock
> turbo unit.  The installation/removal of the turbo unit is not overly 
> difficult, are there more beefy units available that would bolt in place?
> Also, I believe Hot Rod magazine did an issue on Turbocharging a couple
> of years ago, about how to 'tweak' present systems. Anyone know of it?
> Thanks

The first problem with installing a larger turbo is getting it to fit.
There are literally hundreds of different inlet/outlet angles and 
flange configurations. It's much easier to get an aftermarket turbo
that is made specifically for your vehicle/engine.
There are two basic types of aftermarket turbos...
1) A unit that is different (usally bigger) than the original, but
has been specially selected and set-up to allow bolt-on installation.
2) A modified version of the exact original turbo. The mods typically
include compressor housing machine work, and lightening/re-balancing
of the compressor impeller.
The modified units are typically a bit less expensive than completely
new ones.

The bigger turbo will probably be able to flow a larger volume of air,
but only if the CFM demands of the engine also increase. A larger
turbo will stay in the surge area until a somewhat higher CFM point...
Simply put, the boost will not come up till a higher RPM. 
Once the boost is up however, and the compressor is operating efficiently,
the total MASS of air being delivered will increase because the larger
compressor will spin slower and heat the air less at any given load
point. (The cooler air is denser and produces more power if the proper
A/F ratio maintained) The larger turbo will (typically) maintain a
higher efficiency at higher CFM/pressure ratio points than a smaller
turbo (actually COMPRESSOR) can.
A bigger turbo can give you more juice on the top end of your rev
band, but typically it does it at the expense of torque at lower RPM's.

Greg
jsb@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.180713.28659@mcnc.org> brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks) writes:
>...I really doubt there's a communist plot...to keep miracle
>carburetors off the market. (Since the USSR fell apart, I'm pretty sure
>it's not a communist plot :-)    )

Are you kidding?  It's more likely to happen now that they have nothing
better to do!  The entire Soviet ComIntern may have come over to the
U.S. and bought up all the patents to these miracle carburetors!  Auto
Workers of the World Unite!?

[ For the clueless,  :-) ]
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:06:59 GMT

In article <14217@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>The other thing I object to which several have indicated, is the attitude
>that a mechanic is not going to do a decent job on the car.  I think that
>you are assuming quite a bit to say that because you are not working on
>your car that it is not going to receive proper care and treatment.  A
>professional mechinic is just that -- a mechanic, and this is his or her 
>job.  
>
>What you are saying is that this person takes no pride in their 
>work and doesn't make any attempt to do their job correctly...

It depends on what kind of garage you are dealing with.  If the
proprietor does his own work, or if the proprietor is entirely liable
for customer complaints, then they are all very likely to be concerned
about the quality of their work.

If you go to a garage that is part of a chain of franchises, the owner
(if he ever sets foot in the place) may be a little concerned about the
quality of the work, but the employees, who are probably being paid by
the hour or (worse yet) by piecework, do not have a whole lot to worry
about if they don't "do it right".  Their jobs do not depend on the
quality of their work, at least not directly.

In general, never take your car to a garage that has more work than it
needs, because they have less incentive to fix their mistakes than a
garage that depends on people coming in week to week to remain open.
Your repeat business is more valuable to them.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: andy@b30.ingr.com (Andrew Brezinski)
Subject: Re: Caring for leather seats
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.160617.21201@shearson.com> tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham) writes:
>I would like some recommendations for leather care products to clean and 
>preserve seats. I've heard on the net to avoid Armour All as this tends to
>dry leather with prolonged use. If anyone has had positive experiences with
>a particular product or method, please post or email a response.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>-Tim
>
>--
>Timothy J. Bigham			| All opinions expressed above are my own
>Lehman Brothers, Inc.			| and should not be construed as those of 
>AMEX Tower, World Financial Center	| my employer.
>New York, N.Y. 				| 

The latest issue of Motor Trend (Has "Bang for the Buck III" for a cover
story) has a car care section that deals with detailing and/or cleaning
your car.  This particular issue had an entire section dedicated to leather
upholstery cleaning.  Motor Trend has been hitting the whole car care
topic pretty heavily in the last few pages of every issue for over a year
now.  If you didn't read anything else in the magazine, you'd get your
money's worth for a subscription for this information alone.  I think the
reason they've been doing this so intensely is because they understand
how big an investment today's new automobile is.

Andy Brezinski
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Tue, 01 Sep 92 15:56:38 CST
From:         JMARTIN@WUVMD
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      FIERO VS. MR2
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I have a friend who is torn between the two..........

- What should I tell him to look for in his shopping???

- He is looking at 86 - 87 Fiero GTs and the newer MR2s.  I told him
  that he should avoid the 4 cyl. fiero but I don't know....
  Any suggestions?

- What about resale value, rust, maintance, handling?

- What about the turbo vs. non-turbo MR2 -

- I am not familiar with either - please help me to steer this
  individual to the best car for his wallet and driving style.
  - He has a sometimes heavy foot , but doesnt want car payments over
    $300..............

thanks....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: CIVIC SI QUESTION
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:48:08 GMT

erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
: -> My '92 Civic Si is coming up on 1000 miles.  When I picked it up they
: -> told me to bring it back for a "1000 mile checkup."  The salesman
: 
:   I think your dealer is trying to scam you.  The oil shouldn't be
: changed until at least 3,000 miles and stuff like Slick 50 shouldn't be
: put in until at least 15,000 miles.  The earliest scheduled maintance is
: the 7500 mile one that consists of changing of oil filter and oil.  The
: ...

I disagree. It is important that a first oil change be done early.
Any small filings and so on that where in the engine from the factory
(including burrs that have worn down, rings seating, worker's wristwatches
etc) should be removed early on in the engine's life. 1000 mi seems reasonable
to me. Also, they may want to check that everything is seating correctly
in the engine (no ugly noises etc). I doubt they would change more than
a nominal fee for any of this, and since the dealer provides the warranty,
I would have it done.

Also, I don't know about Honda, but some cars are provided with a special
oil from the factory. This oil is unsuitable for extended use, and is 
intended for the break-in period.


-- 
Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
From: garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:38:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


>    The official penalty in Montana is for "wasting a natural
>    resource".  It is NOT a speeding ticket.  And the official fine
>    is $5.00, which does go to the state eventually.  The fine is
>    set low on purpose, as an "in yo face" to the federal
>    government's Fascist attempts to interfere in state laws.  

So how fast can a person go on I-90 (65 mph speed limit) through Montana
and still be fine for $5.00?  Doesn't the law differ when driving at night?
I drive this highway a couple times a year and have never had a clear
description of the law.

Thanks,
Gary Wong
garyw@lsid.hp.com
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Keywords: BOOM
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <2AA544AE.27353@ics.uci.edu> craigm@ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane) writes:
>
>I admittedly haven't any idea what it takes to separate hydrogen and
>oxygen, but a system which did so right before the hydrogen was to
>enter the combustion chamber would alleviate the fears of leveling
>city blocks.
   
   It takes more energy than you get BACK when you burn the hydrogen
   and it re-combines with oxygen....

   There are metal hydrides that can hold hydrogen pretty
   well....but I seem to remember they are expensive as heck.  

>
>Can you imagine filling your tank with the garden hose? :)
>
   In some areas of the US, you probably could today...the
   underground pollution is so bad.  The trick is watering your lawn
   without worrying about sparks.  >:-)
From: efd@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Ed Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC awesomeness CONTINUES
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:05:04 GMT
     <2AA24C15.15213@ics.uci.edu> <ALAVIGNE.92Aug31130147@bmerh930.bnr.ca>
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Aug31.163318.10312@spdcc.com> Steve Elias, eli@spdcc.com
writes:
>
>this info might be out of date -- do they still sell that
>318i model for around $20k?
>

For 1992 BMW sells the 318i sedan for 22,900 list and 318iS coupe
for 23,600 list.  Both include the following standard equipment:

? 138 bhp 1.8L 4 cyl engine
? ABS
? Driver's Airbag
? Power windows, locks, and sunroof
? A/C w/dual climate control
? AM/FM/Cassette w/anti-theft
? Alloy wheels (coupe only)

For another 6K or so you can get the 189 bhp 2.5L 6 cyl engine.

Ed Dennison
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