HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: FMG's
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 23:42:04 GMT
Distribution:  usa

In article <1992Apr5.181806.24769@iWarp.intel.com> pandit@iwarp.intel.com (Milind Pandit) writes:
>In article <15725@durer.cme.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>A friend of mine is in medical school, and has what I think is a more
>valid complaint.  He points out that in America, MD's are given only
>after many years of rigorous and highly demanding education, whereas
>in India, an MD can be gotten with relative ease.  On the other hand,
>Indians with MDs from India can begin practicing in the US or continue
>their education here after taking a couple of aptitude tests.
 
>The point is that the net result is unfair:  Far greater demands are
>placed on American medical students before they are allowed to
>practice, than are placed on Indian immigrants.

Not true. Indian Medical graduates from reputed schools go through
five years of highly demanding education before getting their MBBS 
degrees.  Most of them also do three years of residency in India.
This is as opposed to (4+4?) years it takes to get a MD here.
I feel the level of difficulty is the same in both cases.

But the Foreign medical graduates do go through some
horrendous exams and it is very difficult for them to
get into residency programs here.

There are also some 'for profit' private colleges in India,
where the only criteria for admission is a huge donation
to the schools funds. The quality of that education is
highly questionable. I believe there are several of those
colleges in the Carribean islands, whose students have to 
go through additional training [program called 'Fifth Pathway']
as their institutions do not have hospital facilities.

IMHO, the medical society in the US is a equal opportunity
abuser, just a personal opininon. :)
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:52:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.220618.4848@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>And if you feel so strongly about sci over scia, why don't you post some
>of your "thoughts, ideas and opinions" on sci, instead of carrying on
>this asinine debate on scia. I agree with Shailesh, why don't Alok and you
>take this personal battle to the parking lot.. Enuff already !

Effected a sordid resurrection haven't you?

G
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:20:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <1992Apr14.151127.22920@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
(alok.vijayvargia) writes: 

>In article <45161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>> alok writes:

>> >Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes:
>> >> I wasn't harassing Trina, 
>> 
>> >But you did. She sent me an email indicating that.
>> 
>> Uh, care to reproduce that?  I dont think that is what I said nor
>> meant.

>Sorry, I don't have that email any more.
>I distinctly remember however that you said something to the effect
>that Pravin maybe harassing you.

Yet another display of Alok's integrity ;-).

>I certainly didn't like that. And George's suggestion that it indicates
>sexually repressive trait is ridiculous. Pravin's post was simply 
>too explicit and sick for public display. Anyone who condones and
>sees humor value in it , is a sick person, IMHO.

Who cares????
-- 
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737
Yield to Temptation ... it may not pass your way again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: nk1@prefect.uucp (27164-keshava)
Subject: The doctor push (was Re: Indian Materialism)
Reply-To: nk1@prefect.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.063223.6279@midway.uchicago.edu> revu@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I am going to be a physicist, and my parents' friends continually ask me 
>"You're smart [Yes, I am] So why aren't you going to be a doctor [Because I'm
>not a narrow-minded, consuming, materialistic person like you. Besides, I don't
>want to be.]" I AM SICK OF THIS HARASSMENT !!!

This is an attitude that takes a little patience
to understand.  I am an engineer, returning to
college shortly for a PhD in EE, and recent
discussions with an Uncle visiting from India
have made me understand this mentality better.
But, it is frustrating to explain to him that
most people in the US pursue a field because
they like it and NOT necessarily  because it 
is lucrative, and that it is not a reflection of
lack of aptitude.  I've known many Indian parents
who wanted their children to be doctors more
than their kids.  Then when their kids drop into
business or economics, they have a heart attack.
[thus, the need for a doctor in the family :-)) ]
  
I try to stay away from the broad based 
generalizations of doctors.  It just perpetuates 
the myth that all doctors are great magnanimous, 
compassionate souls and all others just dream 
about it.  It's hard to come out a winner in 
these kinds of discussions.

Nirmal
   



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Why is SCIA needed ? (Re: An Indian-American Legislator
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:10:23 GMT

In article <92101.111615AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu>, ARIJIT MAHALANABIS <AXM128@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> It seems to me that the beauty of America (at least theoretically) is that
> one can maintain his/her own cultural identity and yet be an American. This
> is precisely the characteristic of America that has given it an infinite
> ocean of cultural diversity.
> 
> However, this is the ideal situation. 


So very true.

> I would venture to say that anything
> that is not of European origin cannot in reality become "American" under
> current social definitions. 

Not quite. Asian-americans and african-americans have become part of American
society. They are increasingly socially accepted.

> Hence, Indian Americans appear to be on the
> fringes of America's political structure. 

I think it is because they are relatively new (30 years in USA) as compared to
asian-americans (who started coming here almost a 100 years back)
and african-americans (who of course came here along with europeans).

> While other minorities have made
> progress in defining themselves as American and yet remaining culturally
> tied to their own roots, we Indian Americans are still a little confused
> as to whether we should stick to our own roots or go wholesale 'American.'

Other minorities have made progress partly because they had more time
and partly because they make a conscious effort to positively project
their roots. This is especially true for asian-americans.

For Indian-Americans they are indeed confused as you say. Perhaps with time 
and effort such confusion would reduce.

> The result is that those who stick to their roots do so vehemently and
> refuse to acknowledge the benefits of this society and those who emulate
> American pop culture completely ignore their roots. I think we will remain
> under-represented politically in this country until we find a middle
> ground that will allow us to be culturally aware of our roots and at the
> same time allow us to be accepted into mainstream American society.
> 

And that is one major reason why I decided to push for this group. This group
can be a stepping stone in developing a cultural middle ground , retaining
the good aspects of our INdian heritage and at the same time acquiring
the good aspects of the American society.

Not all is good in Indian heritage. Likewise not everything is hunkey-dorey
in America. Indian-Americans have this unique opportunity to be in touch
with both the Indian culture (through their own living in INdia or through
their parents, relatives, INdian friends etc.) and American society
(by virtue of living/working/growing up here).

Challenge is in translating this opportunity into action and this group
can provide a medium.

> Arijit.

Alok
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:16:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <44270@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>siddhartha writes:
>
>>Seems like you haven't heard of the 'n' key yourself. Next time try using
>>it at the following prompt :
>
>>*******   5 unread articles in soc.culture.indian.american--read now? [ynq]
>
>>It works beautifully.
>
>
>The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
>You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
>going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
>not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
>group.  Exactly the point you missed before in my previous article.
>
>Trina
 Hmmm.. We all have a dormant *Alok* inside us (or may be 0.1Alok :-).
Comes out only when at the receiving end.

-Saumyen
From: kodavar@eemips.tamu.edu (Ravi Kodavarti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Immigrant men
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:46:43 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University


>"DEAR" Immigrant Indian and Pakistani Men:
>
>WHY ARE YOU SO BLOODY EFFEMINATE?   Was there 
>something in the vitiated drinking water back home?   You 
>ambulate, run, sit (crossing your legs as if you have labia 
>to conceal), smoke (with the wrist raised and backwards 
>flexed) and converse like stereotypical homosexuals; in 
>fact, you do most everything  like women.   Why do you 
>shake hands as if your arms and hands are utterly 
>enervated; have you been masturbating to dangerously 
>excessive strata?   The situation is so egregious at times 
>that I have to admonish you (those of you who are my 
>friends) against being so effeminate in my presence. 
>
>I HATE YOU EFFEMINATE BASTARDS.  (Although I've 
>already provided a harbinger as to why, I'll disclose 
>exactly why later herein.)   
>
>WHAT'S WITH THE HAIRCUT AND HAIRCARE?  Did the 
>same runaway lawnmower stealthily strike all of your 
>heads?  What's with the grease you slap onto your heads 
>after shampooing?  Don't you know that the office of 
>shampooing is to remove the grease?  What losers !!!  
>
...more junk deleted 


The fact that you resorted to vent your perverted beliefs on the
net shows that you have some obvious hangups in life .
Were you abused when you were a kid  ? 
 
As for your accusations of our being "effiminate" I dont think we need to 
prove our masculinity BY not "sitting with legs crossed....." or 
other traits YOU HAVE TAKEN PAINS to observe. Is this not a sign of 
homosexuality??
 
As for your "friends" whom you shamelessly accuse of being "effiminate in
your presence", it's no wonder that they are YOUR friends !!  
Since your "guilt" arises from your association with 'us' (THANK GOD it is
not me or anybody i know !!), I don't see why you need to do so in the 1st. 
place. Unless you are 'into' finding "effiminate" friends ..... Another  
sign of ....... ??

Your reference to panties leads me to believe that you are into cross-dressing 
too. 

I can only pity your "Anglo friend" for being associated with SCUM like you.
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:06:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Feel like repeating:
	
> The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
> You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
> going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
> not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
> group.

Yeah, it's hard to follow one's own advice, let alone other's.

---raj
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: accent? what accent?
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:15:00 GMT
	<1992Apr2.193459.18708@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

George Chacko sez:
***************************
 
In article <1992Apr2.182709.7871@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (a
lok.vijayvargia) writes:
 
>Is that a trick question, George ?
 
I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that one needs to spell things out in painful
detail to make you understand. If your short term memory is capable of
recalling... in your last posting you offered to show Trina something
unspecified in order to prove that you were not 'gay'. I was interested
in what exactly you had in mind to demonstrate your brand of heterosexuality.
No, this is not a trick question. Now are you going to answer it or skulk
off as usual?
 
>"Do it man, dust off your brain too. It is awfully dirty...."
 
?????
 
 
George
*****************************

MAybe, alok offered to show Trina that he can sell his sperm to a sperm
bank and perform the task in front of her without the help of any gay
magazines. The other option would be to have sex with Trina which is too
hideous of a thought. Even a prostitute would reject Alok.
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,news.groups
Subject: Mailing List for Indian-Americans
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:54:31 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Fellow Indian-Americans,

Chander Ahuja (Who incidentally is the person running the mailing list
for P2 sufferers) has graciously offered his help in creating a mailing list
for the Indian-Americans.

I am collecting the names and email IDS for all those who wish to participate
in such mailings. We also need a person with strong computer science
background and with adequate computer resources to host the necessary software
programs which will run this mail-network. 

People will post their mails to a common computer-id from where it will be 
distributed to all those who are in the IA mailing list.

Replies will also need to be sent to the same computer-id.

This has been suggested as an alternative to SCIA. This however will require
a committed person to 'administer' such a mailing list. This person will
also make updates to the mailing list on an ongoing basis.

If someone is interested in taking such a responsibility, please respond
to me in complete confidence. There is no 'pay' for it. It is a 
volunteer community service job, which has its own rewards.

On my part I will help this person in locating a real job when the time
comes.


Alok Vijayvargia
AT&T Bell Laboratories

(att!probe!alok)
From: nrangan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (N. Ranganathan - Contractor)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:44:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Alok, I'd watch it if I were you :)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american

alok writes yet again because he has nothing better to do with his life:


>Coming back to you Trina, in your earlier mails you said you were more 
>American, now you say you like INdia more.

Whats wrong in being an American and liking India more ? I am sure there
are a lot many Americans out here who like India for what she is and what
she has to offer .

>Trina, problem is that you are utterly confused.
>You are the true ABCD (C with confused).

One really wonders who is confused ?

>But it sure is very frustrating. Would you like to scam through 100 + postings
>everyday, and find one or two which you like to read. It is a sheer waste
>of time. Anyway we have gone over this argument before. I don't want to go 
>over it again.

There is no hard and fast rule that you should read SCI or SCIA. If one
is looking for some good reading material, I am sure the libraries out here
have much better material to offer than what is there on this net.

Ranga


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.141239.17779@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.045242.3253@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>>
>>Effected a sordid resurrection haven't you?
>>
>>G
>
>...And what's in it for *you* PAL ?

Belligerent, ain't he? I expect soon he'll be issuing vituperative threats...

-h
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:41:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.223601.22431@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.151326.24175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>> Perhaps you actually believe that you're taken seriously enough for
>> people to even consider responding favourably to your suggestions?

>You bet he is taken seriously :)

The question wasn't addressed to you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA ( Is a new CFV really needed ?)
Followup-To: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:51:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.180314.26965@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>However I do not want to see the net guidelines and myself 
>being 'violated' just to keep SCIA alive.

I don't think that violating you is likely to be a priority for any of your
numerous detractors. :-)

George


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Un-ending Bashing [Re: ...........chill out!]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:10:07 GMT


> ... [Let's quit] TELL[ing] PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

[I] Second that
    Third that
    Fourth that
       ...
       ...
       ...
    

---raj
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:06:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Red Hill, NJ

In article <44104@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>SHAILESH writes:
>>With all due respect to freedom of speech etc. personal rivalries should be
>>left out of this net. I'm getting sick of reading Trina and Alok flaming each
>>other time and time again.
>
>
>I agree, that this flaming is getting old.  I dont start (perhaps
>I do encourage) these wars.  But I must say that if you want to
>help scia so much, why even bother with these articles?  Why not
>post your own articles relevant to the supposed needs of scia?
>
>Why is it that everyone seems stunted by the flaming wars that
>go on in this group?  If people seem so inclined to keep this
>group, and so many support it, why are they not posting ideas,
>thoughts, opinions on the board?  Perhaps it is a hint as to the
>true feelings of those who want to keep this group.  It is easy
>to vocally support a group, but if people are not going to use
>it for the purpose it was intended for, then such flame wars
>are going to continue to cloud the real issues (which incidentally
>are often on sci already so people are probably just sick of
>rediscussing them on this group).
>
>Sorry so long....
>
>Trina
>

And if you feel so strongly about sci over scia, why don't you post some
of your "thoughts, ideas and opinions" on sci, instead of carrying on
this asinine debate on scia. I agree with Shailesh, why don't Alok and you
take this personal battle to the parking lot.. Enuff already !

Sid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Subject: Re: accent? what accent?
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:56:51 GMT

In article <wdsyvoG00WBO8_vdwR@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>

<<<<<<<<< Some Atrocious Stuff Deleted >>>>>>>>>>

Man, what is happening to you. Do you have a modicum of decency or 
not.  Are you not aware of the fact that you are writing something
indecent to say the least. Please mind your language in future.

Regards,
Vivek.


-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.161130.22580@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>In article <44161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>>
>>Obviously you missed the point...anyways, I guess I shall carry on
>>since your comments only encourage me :) and fuel the flame war
>>even more. Good job. By the way, ever hear of the 'n' key?
>>                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Trina
>
>Seems like you haven't heard of the 'n' key yourself. Next time try using
>it at the following prompt :
>
>*******   5 unread articles in soc.culture.indian.american--read now? [ynq]
>
>It works beautifully.
>
>Sid
>
>p.s.: Oh BTW the 'q' key works too !

And now that you've comprehended the algorithm, why don't you show us that
you can use it too...

-h


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