HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.
From: eskridge@cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: How they do what they do
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:38:06 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


>Question, is not Phil the only schooled musician in the group, and
>thus probably the only one who is able to offically grasp these
>great technical discussions.

I've tossed around some e-mail to folk about this topic.  But I figure it's
time to public.  It's certainly more interesting reading than all the sophmoric
crap that's floated up lately.  So just a brief comment on Todd's point here:

Yeah, Phil is the only current (remember TC?) member of the band to have had
classical and technical musical training when he was growing up.  But they've
all had a long time to pick it up by now.  You don't have to know that you're
playing in myxolydian mode to know that what you're playing sounds cool.  You
don't even HAVE to have it suggested to you (hey, let's jam on THIS scale now).
But it almost certainly helps.  Phil did turn the rest of the Dead on to 
"modern" classical music in the late 60s (Stravinsky [Bobby's a Sacre du 
Printemps-head] through John Cage [the heavenly choir's gonna sound damn strange
from now on!]), and it really shows in the music they started playing then.

For myself, I find that whenever I learn another chunk of music theory it's
basically confirming my own guesses about what I'd started to experiment with
anyway in my own playing.  It doesn't seem like that much of a leap to think
that folk that are playing music for a living could have their understanding
of the technical and theoretical aspects of music evolve in a similar way (if
much more quickly).  You don't have to go to a conservatory to play (or even
understand) that shit.  Hell, you think Dizzy Gillespie went to music school?

And just in case anyone thinks the Dead are unique amongst rock and roll bands
in this respect, another example that leaps to mind is The Band.  Garth Hudson
is a classically trained musician.  No one else in The Band is/was.  That case
is a bit different than the Deads, though.  Garth, apparently, is from a family
of classical musicians, and the way he justified playing in a rock band to his
family is by getting the rest of The Band to pay him $10 a week each to give
them music lessons.  This is all documented in The Last Waltz, along with some
VERY insightful comments by Garth about why he would want to turn his back on
a career in the symphony to play that rock and roll shit.

All the best,
Paul
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Early (earliest) Wharf Rats
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:30:16 GMT

Fred Harris writes:

|From way back
|when in the early 70's I have had a reel with two monophonic audience shows,
|one on left channel and the other on the right: one is 2-18-71 Portchester
|and the other is 2-16-71 Portchester.

This must be great to listen to both channels at the same time!!!!

-Jeff
From: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet (Bill Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Deck question
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:26:37 GMT
Reply-To: WS3X@cornellc.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

Does anyone have a good recomendation for a second deck that would be used
primarily for playback when making dubs?  I have a 3 head Denon w/ bias control
thats about five years old.  I'd like a well made deck to play tapes w/ out
a lot of bells and whistles for as little money as possible for low use.
How much do decks vary in quality if you only consider playback?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 Bill Sloan ws3x@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu

But what would be your answer to the answer man....
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tomw@astro.umd.edu
Subject: cancel fall tour?
Reply-To: tomw@astro.umd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:52:31 GMT

so should the fall tour be cancelled? would the dead be the dead 
without jerry?
so is jerry the gd? i certainly like his sound, his talent, and i 
certainly hope he
recovers. but that's gonna take some time, so i think he should take 
as much time
off as necessary.

who are the grateful dead anyway? i always thought the music played 
the band,
that they were more than the sum of their parts...they didn't stop 
being the dead
when tc left, or when pigpen died, or when donna and keith left, or 
when brent died...

so i think the dead should go on with the fall tour...they're 
professionals.  maybe
they could persuade henry kaiser to fill in for jerr...

so whadda ya think?
c u
tom wible, formerly the air drummer;-)

internet: tomw@astro.umd.edu
ip address: 128.8.251.57
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: NYT Article-8/15
From: jonest@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:16:08 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

*Note: Permission to publish this article was not granted.

New York Times
Saturday, August 15
pg. 11

Grateful Dead Cancel East Coast Tour

San Francisco, Aug. 14 (Associated Press) - the Grateful Dead 
have cancelled a four-city East Coast concert tour because Jerry 
Garcia, the band's leader, is ill, but the group refused to 
confirm that the guitarist's ailment is serious.

Band members and management cancelled an 18-date swing through 
Washington, Philadelphia, New york and Boston that was scheduled 
to begin on Sept. 9, because Mr. Garcia was still recovering from 
a collapse on Aug. 4, a dand spolesman, Dennis McNally, said 
today. The band had already cancelled shows in Oregon and 
California.

Mr. McNally said that Mr. Garcia, who is 50 years old, was 
suffering "an illness brought on by exhaustion" and by poor 
health habits. But Mr. McNally refused to confirm a report in The 
San Francisco Chronicle that Mr. Garcia had an enlarged heart and 
fluid in the lungs.
 
The Chronicle article, which did not cite any sources, said the 
symptoms pointed to possible heart failure.

Mr. McNally said, "If one of my band members is not going to 
confirm it, then I can't presume to take his place," and added 
that Mr. Garcia had not been hospitalized and was recovering at 
home.

The Grateful Dead is the leading concert attraction in the 
country, having earned $300 million in box-office sales last 
year.
From: hairy@terapin.com (Harry Hugel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry's health
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:05:26 PST
Organization: BBS

While listening to KRQR today the DJ qutoed an anonymous source as saying that
" Jerrys condition is worse than was previously announced.  He has fluid in his
lungs and an enlarged hart.  This is indicative of hart failure"  I hope this
is not true.  This is only what I heard.  Quoted without permission.
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Catfish's Deadicated II
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Aug19.202328.5166
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet



	George Clinton / Bootsie / Dee-Lite - Shakedown Street

	Yowza!!! This is THE pick so far!  Way to NAIL it, John!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash)
Subject: Re: Lithuanian T-Shirts
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 01:35:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

While these obviously won't be available at shows anytime soon :-(,
they *are* available through GDM!  Cost is $30 plus tax & shipping.
Call 1-800-CAL-DEAD today and get yours!

Derek
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From: carm@cs.umd.edu (Richard Chimera)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Steely Dan [sic] tour dates?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.59812
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Hey now!

I just saw them Wednesday night under their new name The New York Rock
and Soul Revue, with Michael McDonald (who has done lots of backing
vocals for them in the late 70's/early 80's), Boz Scaggs, and Phoebe
Snow.  I mention my opinions of the show below, but right now I *NEED
TO KNOW* the rest of the tour dates so I can see another hot show.  I
don't care if they play the exact same show it was so good.  All I
know is that they are playing tonight in Homedale, New Jersey.  Go to
that show you Homedalians!  I didn't find out til just now or I would
have made plans to go.  Why I didn't look at the T-shirts just to see
if they had a shirt with tour dates on it, I'll never know....

Review of the "Revue":

All I can say is that it was fanfuckingtastic.  Just imagine the
best show you could ever imagine watching and listening to Steely Dan
live could be, and this concert met those expectations.  Walter Becker
is as nimble as ever.  Donald Fagen didn't crack too many smiles, but
somehow you could tell he was enjoying himself -- it wasn't a drag for
him.  Donald looks a little different with short hair, and did silence
the crowd's longish applause.  The show was at Merriweather Post
Pavillion, a nice outdoor venue, and there was a fair amount of
deadheads in attendance.

They played about 10 Dan tunes, including Deacon Blues (the crowd went
completely bonkers), Josie, and many tunes off Pretzel Logic and Katy
Lied (of which I never was good with titles).  I was waiting for Hey
Nineteen ("The Cuervo Gold, the fiiiiiiine Colombian, make tonight a
wonderful thing") but it never happened.

They played Minute by Minute, which upon hearing I realized how Michael
McDonald's music style is quite similar to the Dan.  They played some
great R&B numbers, had another guest singer, Curtis Jackson or something,
a NY R&B'er.  

They had a total of 14 people on stage for most songs, with 3
horns/saxes, 3 total keyboardists (Fagen, McDonald, and Kevin Bent?), 3
backup singers including one who was HOT and played the harmonica and
violin, 3 total guitarists (Becker, Scagggs, and ?), and a bass and
drummer.  

When I say it was phenomenal, I mean it.  I am going to find out where
else they are playing within a 400 mile drive and go see them again.
I don't care if they play the exact same sets!  Oh yeah, they played
two sets which totalled 3 hours including a 30 minute break.

This is that once in a lifetime event you have to go to.  They did tour
in the mid 70's, this has to be at least as good as that was.

Wow.

+Carm

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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: jerry on cnn
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:24:17 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <hanke.3@insane.sanders.lockheed.com> hanke@insane.sanders.lockheed.com (Richard Hanke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.102921.13136@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dab@blitzen.uucp (25853-ballard) writes:
>
>>saw a snippet about jerry on headline news this morning.  they said
>>"5 shows in oregon and california have been cancelled" because he's
>>suffering from "severe exhaustion".  
>>let' hope for that fall tour...

>Heard on WBCN (Boston) same thing.........
>Also mail order for the fall shows have been postponed.

No, ticket outlet on sale dates have been postponed... Mail order is over,
with tickets still being sent out.  
					reb
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION: GARCIA'S HEALTH
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug18.161746.24070@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>Restricting the liberty of the individual using the justification
>that you are helping another is still fascism!  

	Unless, of course, they wanna do _drugs_, eh ?  
								wr


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jay Ludoviconi 407-796-2816 <ludovicj@pwfl.com>
Subject: Re: Trivia question
Reply-To: ludovicj@pwfl.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:13:59 GMT

| What song has been sung by three different members of the Dead ?
| (lead singing throughout the whole song and at a Dead show)
| 
| Jay     ludovicj@pwfl.com 
| 

Good Lovin was the answer I was looking for. Pigpen and Bobby are the
obvious two members. The 1968 tree tapes (thanks Vic and Doug) include
a version of Good Lovin where Jerry sings lead. The Jerry Good Lovin
section of the tape is labeled 9/6/69. There is a 9/6/69 entry in
DeadBase, but no set list. If someone else happens to be listening
to the 1968 tree tapes, then reply to this post and let me know if my
ears are lying to me.

Jay     ludovicj@pwfl.com 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: G.D.H. question (?)
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:44:12 GMT

andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:


>	Caught just a brief segment of last night's Grateful Dead Hour.
>What I heard was about 5 minutes of the segway from China Cat to I know You
>Rider.  What blew me away was the different chords they were using in "Rider".
>There was also a voice in there that I didn't recognize.  The chords they
>were playing (Weir and (?) Godcheau (?)) sounded like they could have just as
>easily seuged into "Uncle John's".  That is, they had a very "major" kind
>of "happy", "bouncy" sound that I don't normaly equate with "Rider".
>I was in my car and had to get out before I caught any info. on the given
>performance.  Can anyone help me out here???  THANX!

This was the routine transition between the tunes. They started doing it
in early 73 (March was the first I heard it) and continued until the "last"
concert 10-20-74.
When CCS->Rider was brought back in 77, the bridge was gone.

--Mark
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Wharf Rat
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:28:10 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <2193.1639.uupcb@spacebbs.com> mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) writes:
>August West will never fly away

	He might.  At least, he might if he never starts to believe he
can't.  No matter how dark it gets you can't ever stop believing in light.
Or you might as well be blind...
						And dirty... :-)
From: wfolsom@star-trek.bbn.com (Wayne Folsom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: wfolsom@BBN.COM (Wayne Folsom)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com

In article <l9a1jcINNcls@news.bbn.com> wfolsom@BBN.COM (Wayne Folsom) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.040549.23532@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com writes:
>>In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!
>
>In your haste you posted the same message about six times!!
>What's the matter Rob you FAT fingers? :-)
			  


Make that a dozen times. And sorry, in my haste I forgot the word got.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Ken Paris <paris@gene.com>
Subject: Jerry VERY!!!!! ill
Reply-To: paris@gene.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:24:58 GMT


haven't seen it posted yet:
the S.F. Chronical has an article today about jerry saying his condition
is "far more serious than official reports of exhaustion"
the symptoms include enlarged heart and fluid in the lungs
mickey hart says he's now excersizing and has stopped smoking
from mickey: "I'm not hysterical and I don't know anybody who is hysterical,
He's been better, but he's been worse."

plans for the east coast tour are still on starting sept. 9


ken
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: direwolf@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Kathy Watts)
Subject: Re: Nicotine addicts Unite!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:03:25 GMT

Eagle - saw your post about quitting smoking.  Not being a smoker, I can't say
too much, but a guy I work with had an experience that might be useful to
someone here.

He tried quitting a longterm Camels habit without success.  Then he hit on
taking smoking more seriously by rolling his own whenever he wanted a smoke.
He found that he smoked less often, because he had to really expend a little
effort each time.  That eventually got him down to fewer smokes per day, and at
some point it was low enough for him to take the plunge successfully.  And now
he's made it over a year.

Good luck, all!


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: solomon@cns.nyu.edu (Joshua Solomon)
Subject: Re: Cassidy improv. break
Reply-To: solomon@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:08:38 GMT

In article 10352@cmcl2.nyu.edu, solomon@cns.nyu.edu (Joshua Solomon) writes:
The thoughtful commentary on changes and modes which I've been reading recently
has somewhat helped me wade through all the reports (confirmed and otherwise)
about poor Jerry's health.  Is anyone out there familiar with the chord 
progression in the impovisational break that comes between the final verse
and chorus of Cassidy?  I'm aware that it has evolved over the years.
I would love to see an analysis of this.  If anyone has figured out the
changes from a particular performance or era, please post or e-mail them.
The verses and chorus can be found in the Grateful Dead Anthology (transpose
one half-step down to play along with you live tapes).
	On a related note, I seem to recall a real hot Cassidy close the
1st set at Alpine a couple of years back ('87?).  Does anyone have a
good sounding tape of this?  I have plenty to trade.
js
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: No place like home ! (Springsteen 8/13)
From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:43:39 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Bruce Springsteen - 8/13/92

Spent last night in the Worcester Centrum, and I sure missed being with all my
fellow freaks ! It was a nice crowd, no complaints, just a really, ummm, well,
I just missed the heads. Alot. I was very impressed with the energy the crowd
brought, _at least_ as high energy as your average (I know, whats that ?) Dead
show. Not quite like when the E Street Band used to get things going, but very
impressive nonetheless. But what I really missed was the feeling of being there
with everyone else, a togetherness I hadn't thought of until last night, when I
missed it so much.

Springsteen was great, but I thought his band was lame. The drummer seemed to
be drumming Born in the USA no matter what the band was doing. The bass was
boring and too loud. Couldn't hear the piano too well. 5 backup vocalists, now
this was a fine idea !

4 hours, 10 minutes with a 25 minute break, a very pleased audience. 

Bruce did a few acoustic numbers (Spirits In The Night, Thunder Road, 2
others), and having seen the Allmans insert some acoustic in their show, I
really wonder why The Dead don't. Its GREAT to hear some acoustic !

But Anyway, Jim 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com>
Subject: Looking for Postscript Tape Label Maker
Reply-To: gjp@virtech.vti.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:33:44 GMT

A few years back (man, it doesn't seem that long ago) some kind soul posted
a PostScript file. Just by changing the setlist a new tape label was made.


Alot has happened between than and now, and I have lost the program. I just
found access to a PS printer (it appears) so I would like to get a copy.

If you have it, please send a copy to me.

Get well Jerry, you are in my thoughts (as well as the rest of the family)

-- 
Greg Pryzby                                               uunet!virtech!gjp
Virtual Technologies, Inc.                                gjp@vti.com
Dulles, Virginia
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From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:25:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Aug13.202554.7058
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet

GRATE post Curt:

|Birdsong - the jam in this song is predominantly E7 in E mixolydian.
|  What this means basically is that the main chord to which the jam is
|"centered around" is E7 (with most emphasis in the E triad: E G# B and some
|emphasis on the dom7: D).  The mode is mixolydian (E is the fifth position)
|so the predominant scale is A major (A B C# D E F# G A  - note E is in the 5th
|position).  Thus we get E mixolydian (E F# G A B C# D E).  So, those who
|can play an instrument, go home, toss on Birdsong, skip to the jam and
|play an A scale starting on E - sounds great right!  It "fits".

I've always played this in D7 (with the chords as written in the Garcia
songbook) with the jam then being in the G major scale rather than A. But
I've never actually tried playing along with a tape or 'Nette (or the
"Garcia" album) to see if it is actually the right key. In this key the
main riff can be done quite easily in the open position.


Playing in the Band jams in what is a C major scale. Since the song is in the
key of D I guess this makes it D Dorian, D E F G A B C D.

I would also say The Other One is E Dorian, since it is like D major.


-Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Tom Jacobs <Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re- Deadicated Comments
Reply-To: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:15:13 GMT

Re: Deadicated Comments

OK John, here's a vote for Deadicated II (posted a year or two ago by me):


  --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@

 It Must Have Been the Roses -- by Ray Charles

  --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ --<-@ 


Tom