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From: hochberg@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU
Subject: IAS Mathematics Seminars, Week of Sept. 28, 1992
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:01:04 GMT

		INSTITUTE FOR ADVANCED STUDY
		   School of Mathematics
		    Princeton, NJ 08540


Mathematics Seminars			Week of September 28, 1992


ALGEBRAIC GEOMETRY SEMINAR			Tuesday	    9:30 a.m.
  Speaker:   Gerd Faltings, IAS			Sept. 29    Fuld 119
  Topic:     Factorization in CFT (Verlinde-formula)

PDE SEMINAR					Tuesday     11:00 a.m.
  Speaker:   Ireneo Peral, Autonoma		Sept. 29    Fuld 119
  Topic:     Asymptotic behavior for a parabolic problem
	       of the Emden-Fowler type

SCALAR AND MEAN CURVATURE SEMINAR		Tuesday	    2:00 p.m.
  Speaker:   Paul Yang, IAS			Sept. 29    Fuld 119
  Topic:     A survey of prescribed curvature problems


SUPER-RIGIDITY SEMINAR				Wednesday   11:00 a.m.
  Speaker:  Armand Borel, IAS			Sept. 30    Fuld 119
  Topic:    Introductory survey


DIOPHANTINE APPROXIMATION SEMINAR		Wednesday   2:00 p.m.
  Speaker:  Enrico Bombieri, IAS		Sept. 30    Fuld 119
  Topic:    New effective methods for the Thue equation


GEOMETRY SEMINAR				Wednesday   3:00 p.m.
  Speaker:  Bruce Kleiner, IAS			Sept. 30    Fuld 119
  Topic:    Manifolds without conjugate points


QUANTUM ALGEBRAIC GEOMETRY SEMINAR		Thursday    9:30 a.m.
  Speaker:  Brian Greene, IAS			October 1   Fuld 119
  Topic:    Introduction to mirror manifolds
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: test
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Distribution: nyc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:39:49 GMT

this is a test.  (no shit, eh?)


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From: mcnamara@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: sci.systems
Subject: Stella for academics
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:55:18 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

	The following are excerpts from a letter that I received from 
High Performance regarding various topics about Stella II.

	What is the connection of Stella to _Beyond the Limits_ (besides the
Stella diagrams in the book)?
 
>Regarding Beyond the Limits-yes, that book has generated a lot of publicity 
>for us!  Dennis Meadows is distributing a run-time version of the software 
>with his World3 Model.  Interested parties should contact Jennifer Bakke @ 
>the Institute for Policy and Social Science Research, Hood House, Durham, 
>NH  03824, Phone 603-862-3057 Fax 1488.

	What is the situation on academic pricing?  How does one go about
getting the academic price?

>As far as purchasing an actual copy of the software, we do have academic
>pricing, at the precollege and university levels.  The retail price is $695,
>the university price is $295, and the precollege price is $245.  We do require
>proof of academic affiliation, which can be in the form of a PO or a letter
>showing the institution is an accredited academic institution.  Lab/LAN packs
>are also available.

	What is ithink?  Is it the same as Stella, or is it a hypercard
product?

>ithink is our business package.  It is functionally equivalent to STELLA II,
>except the context of the documentation and sample models is business, as
>opposed to academic, in nature.  ithink is used by Fortune 500 level companies
>as well as business schools and consulting groups.

>Your mention of a HyperCard front end probably stems from an older product we
>used to offer, STELLA Stack.  STELLA Stack was a HyperCard front end that
>worked with the STELLA software in the mid-to-late 80's.  The product was
>discontinued due to the steep learning curve of the HyperCard scripting
>language.  We are planning to release an Authoring Product in `93 which will
>serve the function of a facade layer on top of a model, but will not be based
>in HyperCard.  

High Performance Systems, Inc.
45 Lyme Rd., Suite 300
Hanover, NH  03755

Phone 603-643-9636
Fax 603-643-9502
Internet: X0858@AppleLink.Apple.COM

						Curt

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: 8-bit Addressable Asynch Receiver/Transmitter? (Like MC14469)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:50:47 GMT

I received a pointer to the Motorola MC14469 Addressable Asynchronous
Receiver/Transmitter in response to a request for info on simple MCU
network interface chips.  I want something to make residential/
industrial/automotive control networks "easy" to make.

The MC14469 is _almost_ ideal - the only problem that I have with it
is that while it can send back 16 bits of info, it is only able to
receive 7 bits of data.  I need at least 8 bits.

I would appreciate any info on an addressable device that is able to
receive and transmit 8-bit data.  Simplicity is key.

Also, are there versions of the M68HC705 that are easy to use for such
communication?

Thanks!

--kyler

P.S.  There was an article in Circuit Cellar and/or ComputerCraft
about MCU networks.  I couldn't find any in my collection.  Anyone
remember the issue(s)?

Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: jeclee@uncc.edu (Jeffrey Charles Lee)
Subject: BiCMOS Text Recommendations
Reply-To: jeclee@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:56:56 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knows of a good reference book for BiCMOS circuit design.

Thanks.
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: MC68705P3S,need a programmer
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:02:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Sep29.185315.27473@ryn.mro4.dec.com> klimasewski@fccvde.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>
>What is the cheapest programmer I can buy that will program a
>MC68705P3S??
>
>                                      thanks,
>                                         Ken
>
Well, you could hire me for about 40K per year :)

   sorry, couldn't resist !!!!!

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: drummond@dmpe.csiro.au (Tom Drummond)
Subject: active noise cancellation
Organization: CSIRO Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:36:40 GMT

I'm looking for references on active noise cancallation - particularly where
high frequency components are involved.  Can anyone supply me with such
references?

Thanks

Tom


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PO Box 312  CLAYTON  VIC  3168 AUSTRALIA
From: pyrdek@edinboro.edu
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: HELP, I've Lost my chip and can't get up!
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:56:02 GMT
Organization: Edinboro University of Pennsylvania

HELP!!! HELP!!! HELP!!!

i have to find an obselete chip from an obselete family of chips from
a company which is no longer in business.

How many of you have ever even heard of CTL family of chips?

It appears to use -5 volts and ground ( 5 volt difference in power 
supply voltages) and operates in both a digital and analog mode.

Yep, I was confused too.  By digital and analog I mean that it is
shown on the schematic as a quad 2 input AND gate chip BUT the
voltages coming out the output will lineraly track the input
voltage (at least at slow slew rates) operating as a linear
amp.

The chip is a 972 D (dip) M (temp range) manufactured by Fairchild
Semi-Conductors with a date code of 7534.

A call to National Semi-Conductor tech assistance (They bought
Fairchild a few years back.) provided the info listed above about
the family.  It seems that this chip was a very limited issue
short family series life which is not only obselete but was never
even close to common.

If you have one of these chips laying around or have any reasonable
ideas about where to get one, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU.
You can get back to me by E-Mail, landline (814) 732-2484 or
U.S. Post Office Hardcopy at:

142 Miller Building 
Edinboro University
Edinboro, Pennsylvania  16444
U.S.A.


Thanks for what ever help you might be able to give me.

Joe Pyrdek
Edinboro Univ.
Edinboro PA
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Stumped by op-amps
From: bdenckla@husc10.harvard.edu (Benjamin Denckla)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:15:36 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I can't answer your question about building a mic preamp but I do have a
few pieces of info that might be helpful.  The input level for consumer
audio electronics is generally -10dB, not -17dB.  There are two main types
of microphones: condenser and dynamic.  Dynamic mics require no power. 
Condenser mics do need power.  This power (DC always) is provided by a
battery or what is called phantom power.  Phantom power is a +48V DC
current that is run over the same conductors as the audio is.  Be aware in
your mic amp project that all but the most cheapo mics have an
electrically balanced output and have a low internal impedance.  Optimum
performance will not be achieved unless the preamp has a balanced input of
appropriate impedance.  It'll work anyway, though, so unless you're
mastering a CD it's probably nothing to worry about.

Ben Denckla
Electronic Music Studio
Harvard University
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Sound/Light Translator
From: hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:20:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: hilbig_t

In article <1992Sep25.132331.29805@phx.mcd.mot.com>, hbg6@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) writes:
> In article <19qj88INN94t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu writes:
>>trying to build is an instrument which takes speaker output from my stereo  
>>and divides it into the three main frequencies (i.e. bass, mid, and  
>>treble), and then will allow me to plug in three lights to it for each  
>>frequency so that they will light up as each frequency is played.  This  

> .. Seriously, it's called a "Color Organ" and the hobbiest magazines seem
> to march out a schematic about every year. If no one else knows off the
> top of their head, I'll look it up for you.
> 
> John
> 
> 

This was a popular project in high school electronics.  From what I can
remember, it just used a small issolation transformer (8ohm input) which
feed three very simple RC filter circuits (one high pass, one low pass
and one notch at mid frequency).  The outputs of the filter circuits drove
individual Triacs.

I'm sorry I can't find a schematic, but my advise is to avoid using a 
circuit board (if you find one) and do the whole thing in 3D.  A friend
of mine built a color organ using a small 3" x 3" metal 2 piece box from Radio
Shack.  He mounted three pots on the front and three 2 prong 120VAC plugs
on the back.  There were very few components and they were all light enough
that they could be soldered to the pots and plugs.  The only other things
that needed to be mounted to the metal box was the fuse holder and transformer.

The unit looked great; we taped two of themt on top of a cheap $50
Radio Shack applifier -- you have to have your lights in stereo of
course.  We never did actually listen to the applifier, it strickly
boosted the audio enough that we didn't have to use the outputs of a real
amplifier.

-- 
Thomas Hilbig,
hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca                 Telephone:  (416) 544-3761
From: Michael.A..Covington@mailbox.bison.mb.ca (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: multimeters
Date: 25 Sep 92 01:59:38 CST

Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Two that I really like:

Beckman DM25L (the one I'm using now; measures V, A, R, C, transistor gain,
               and diode forward voltage)

Tektronix' new one that costs about $100
              (measures all of the above and can also test a battery
               under load).


-- 
+ Michael Covington - Artificial Intelligence Programs - U of Georgia - USA 
+ Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.

 * Origin: The Electronic Mailbox (1:348/7.0)

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From: latvala@cs.tut.fi (Latvala Ari)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.photo
Subject: Multi-flash synchro fire by wire/slaves
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:43:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Originator: latvala@naakka.cs.tut.fi


Subject: Multi-flash-synchronizing by wire/optical ways

Do you know good solution to fire 2-4 flashes (metric Guide Numbers
for each about 25-50) by wire or slave sensors:

1.	By wire: Isolation of flash circuits, triggering.
	Which thyristor type to use, what would be good
	triggering circuitry. Pointers to schematics,
	PCB kits etc.
2.	By slave sensors: Pointers to building kits or
	schematics.

If interest high enough, I will post summary to net.

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: paranjpe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Milind D Paranjpe)
Subject: SPICE model for 2N4338 ????
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 01:42:11 GMT

Hello:

I'm looking for a SPICE model for the 2N4338.  I understand it's a JFET.  Any
help?

Thanks a bunch.

Milind Paranjpe
paranjpe@leland.stanford.edu
From: ame@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abdulrahman M El-Koubysi)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: low temperature electronics
Date: 30 Sep 1992 13:55:30 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Summary: looking for electronics that work at liquid Nitrogen temp (77 K).
Keywords: capacitors, inductors, resistors, liquid N (77 K)


I am looking for a manufacturer of low temperature electronics. Resistors,
capacitors, inductors, conductors that work at liquid Nitrogen temps (77 K).
Does anybody out there have some recommendations or may be can direct me 
to somebody who deal with these things. I appreciate any help I can get. 



A. R. El-Koubysi          | Internet: ame@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
College of Engineering    | Bitnet  : ame@ksuvm
147, Seaton Hall, KSU     | Phone   : (913) 532-5580 
Manhattan, KS 66506       | Fax     : (913) 532-6944
From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Multimeters
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:04:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.5170225
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:

>I'm still looking for a meter. If anyone knows how I can contact FLUKE,
>I would really appreciate the info.

In six responses, I didn't see a direct answer.  From their catalog,
"For Immediate Assistance Call Toll Free  1-800-44-FLUKE"

If you are indeed just looking for a meter, there are lots of Fluke
resellers that advertise in Radio Electronics and Popular Electronics.
Folks at the toll free number above will probably give you the name of
a nearby distributor.
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: senguptas@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Using wire mesh to block RF?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:24:30 GMT

In article <55550031@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, rkarlqu@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Rick Karlquist) writes:
> In sci.electronics, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
> 
>> Suppose I want to use a wire mesh to block (reflect, actually) RF in the
>> gigahertz range.  I am well aware that the mesh needs to be "much smaller"
>> than the wavelenght (which is 30cm).  However, I need to use as skimpy (i.e.,
>> unobstructing) a mesh as possible.  Is there any quantitative expression
>> for how well a, say, 1cm mesh will block a 30cm wave?
> 
>> --
>> Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
>>                                    | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
> 
> Look at 3.7-4.2 GHz. mesh satellite TVRO dishes.  Presumably, these
> are optimally skimpy.  Then scale to 30 cm (= 1GHz.).  1 cm at 1 GHz.
> would be .25 cm. at 4 GHz. which is smaller than the TVRO dishes, so
> you ought to be fine.  Another existence proof is UHF TV reflectors
> which have wire spacing exceeding 1 cm. yet go from 500 to 900 MHz.
> 
> Rick N6RK
> rkarlqu@scd.hp.com

>> "Architectural Electromagnetic Shielding Handbook" by Leland H. Hemming,
   IEEE Press 1992, ISBN 0-87942-287-4, IEEE Order Number: PC0282-4, has
   some information on the shielding effectiveness of copper mesh. I no
   longer have the book in my possession, so I can't check to see how useful
   it would be for your question. You may also try the handbooks by
   Interference Control Technologies.
   Hope this helps somewhat!

 > Sandip

   Sandip Sengupta
   senguptas@woods.ulowell.edu
From: kingpin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Linemans Handset
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:38:32 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: /home/fsg/kingpin/.organization

Comp.Dcom.Telecom would probably be more suitable for this messgae, but I don't have access to it..

I am looking for an orange linemans handset (buttset) which has the standard orange color, touch tones, polarity, mute, and speaker switches.. It can be a Harris or an Ameritech..

If someone has one for sale CHEAP, PLEASE let me know as soon as possible.. I 
have to rewire somebodys house phone lines (coming from the outside) and a handset it NECCESSARY for this procedure..

	Thanks a lot for the help!
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From: raoul@eplunix.UUCP (Nico Garcia)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.dsp
Subject: Re: BCD to binary
Keywords: bcd, binary
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:58:48 GMT
Organization: Eaton-Peabody Lab, Boston, MA

I sent some requests for ideas recently, and thought I'd post
my solutions.

I had settled on a 16-bit by 16-bit eprom to decode the four decades I
needed. Dropping memory prices makes this sort of thing feasible, although
the general problem does seem suited to microcomputer solutions. I'm just too
busy to get into that for this project.

I was all set to lay it out when I was hunting for reasonable, cheap D/A
converters and I noticed a chip in the Burr-Brown data book, the DAC71
series.  They make a 4-decade complementary BCD controlled D/A that I could
just pop in and save myself the work. Nice. It costs about $80, so for a
hobbyist or OEM quantities it's prohibitive, but for me it saves a lot of
board space and work.

So I'll use it instead and just send the BCD data back to my computer and
decode it there with a C program for monitoring purposes. Thanks for the
help, folks!

-- 
			Nico Garcia
			CIRL/MEEI
			eddie.mit.edu!eplunix!raoul
From: gnome@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Gary)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Who has surplus night-vision stuff?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:02:25 GMT
Distribution: na

Does anyone know of a good source of surplus night-vision
equipment?  I'm interested in both IR and Starlight units.
However, I must admit that I'm looking for the lower-priced
used stuff.

The economy being what it is... :-)

Thanks!

Gary

gnome@atc.olivetti.com
From: lg2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liam David Gray)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:23:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MelBHHy00WB9QQPFtG
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does this group have an FAQ somewhere?  I'd appreciate it if someone
could tell me the FTP site where it can be found -- or even send it to
me. 

Thanks a bunch.

Liam Gray
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
From: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Two more lab supplies left
Reply-To: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:52:09 GMT

I'm posting this here only because of the interests of this group...

I'm down to two supplies of the surplus lot I obtained (besides
the ones I kept :-)  ).

The following are all regulated lab supplies with metered and controlled
voltage and current (CVCC).  All have remote sensing capability.
All work. All are DC supplies, in rack-mountable (except the Lambda)
bench cases, and run from 115 volts. Shipping additional...

Voltage	Current  Model/ Manufacturer		Comments	Price

0-40v	0-4A	  Lambda LH122FM1928-1 		Half-rack size	$75

0-60v	0-3A	  HP/Harrison Labs 6271				$75

I also have a non-working Behlman 0-36 volt 0-10 amp supply, variac
pre-regulated, transistor post-regulated, that does not work. It has a
working 1 kW variac and a 110 to 45 VCT 12 amp transformer in it. I'd
sell it for $30--you can repair it (I think but am not sure it is a
capacitor failure), build up your own regulator section or simply use
the variac and make a variable AC supply out of it. That's about 1/4
the cost of a new variac alone.

I have two rack mount collars for Lambda half-rack supplies I'd
sell for $10 each , or include one free if you get the Lambda supply
above.

E-mail if interested. While I do not deal in surplus (I simply buy lots
to get things I want for my lab and sell the excess), I'm willing
to keep my eyes open for what you might need--let me know.

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: ibm pc keyboard loopback plug
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:44:18 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <govender.717416622@shannon> govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender) writes:
>is there a way of using a dummy plug to fool a pc/at into thinking that it
>has a keyboard at switch on?

I'd be surprised.  The keyboard is intelligent; the switch-on test most
likely asks it a question and waits for the answer, or at least looks for
correct handshaking on the question.  It's not something you can fake
out with a wire or two.
-- 
There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: dpm@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Odysseus)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Spectrum anaylsers
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:32:39 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   Can anyone tell me (or, preferably, point me in the direction of a
book on) how spectrum analysers work? I can see a digital analyser
performing a fft on some sampled data and displaying the spectrum from
this info, but the fastest ADC I know of runs at 100MS/s, giving a maximum
frequency of 50 MHz. The analysers we have here can display 50 GHz, so,
unless there's some kind of input frequency reduction (ie rooting circuit)
they can't use this kind of thing. Performing fft's in real time is not
really the problem - I know of several frequency domain processors. Is an
analogue Fourier transform possible?


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