HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cthulhu@shark.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best live albums (was Re: Monsters of Rock 1992)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:28:21 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


  Here are my top 5 live albums:

	Little Feat - Waiting for Columbus (also Hoy Hoy has some good stuff)
	Deep Purple - Made in Japan
	Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East
	Ozzy Osbourne/Randy Rhoades - Tribute
	Slayer - Decade of Aggression


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu 
Subject: Re: Tony Levin, Bass & Stick Player
Organization: Solar Federation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:28:51 GMT

>You were, really? I think Tony's an incredible player myself, as he has a
>tremendous amount of talent and ability, but personally, I'd much rather see
>Squire in Yes. Don't get me wrong, Tony was great on the ABWH and Union
albums,
>but Squire is THE bassist for Yes. He's incredible. 


Get me a copy of your ABWH CD.  I couldn't hear the bass on mine!

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: zodiac@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (Ken Lambert)
Subject: Re: ELO song / "Fire on High"
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:41:58 GMT

In article <17736@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark  
Jeantheau) writes:
> >Doesn't this song either blend into the next one, or the previous one
> >blend into this?
> 
> Not the way I remember it--it starts at the beginning of the album and
> ends cleanly with a guitar/drum riff.
> 
"Fire on High" came off Face The Music which came out in 1975. The songs
don't blend, there is just a freaky beginning with sound effects and
a chorus singing (that's where the message is). After all that wierd
stuff, the guitar, drums, etc come in. And there is that awesome acoustic
guitar (Jeff Lynne could always make an acoustic guitar sing!)

Secret Messages is also filled with interesting backwards messages.
(supposedly there is one on Eldorado... I hear something wierd forwards in
one track, but I have played the thing back so many times and don't hear
anything)

Ken (ELO - one of the best bands ever!!! Any other fans out there?)
From: exusing@exu.ericsson.se (Craig Singer)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Kill files for USERID's?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:38:42 GMT
Reply-To: exusing@exu.ericsson.se (Craig Singer)
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems


All this talk about net ppl crossing over from other (unnamed) newsgroups
and angering all the regulars leads me to pose this question:

Is there a way to make a kill file that searches for USERID instead 
of SUBJECT?  If not, what net hacker wants to write one and make it 
available for us all?  

Just a thought,

Party on...

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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Weird Al Yankovic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:16:08 GMT

cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

>I just heard today one of the songs that will be on Al's new album.
>After thinking about what the result will be, I couldn't stop laughing.

>"Smells Like Teen Spirit"

>Just imagine what that will sound like.   :-)

>--Dave

  It will be called, "Smells Like Nirvana", by the way.
From: dana@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Arturo A. Gigante)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Rush Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:30:51 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

Does anyone know what the albums RTB and PW mean when they are dedicated  
to  a letter in the credits?  In the inside jacket or CD Book or whatever  
you call that thing, RTB says brought to you by the letter B, and PW is  
brought to you by the letter M.

I'm not sure if these are the exact letters but does anyone know what they  
are there for? 


Carl Erickson
dana@wam.umd.edu
From: lindaman4833@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RE: Pearl Jam on SNL
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:35:08 -0500
Summary: Make music, not social statements!!!
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm not a big fan of rock stars making political, social, or any other such
statements concerning "What we as people should do is...." I saw Pearl Jam on
SNL and I thought they did a pretty good job.  Whatever the lead singer says
about "What we as people should do is..." is his own business.  After all,
Pearl Jam is a BAND and what they do is PLAY MUSIC.  Other artists/bands like
Sinead O'Conner and R.E.M. can make as many statements as they want, but it
won't make me buy their albums.

The guy who likes Sting and Peter Gabriel for their music,

Tom Lindaman

P.S. Even my personal favorite band, Rush, did a "socially responsible" song
called "The Pass" about suicide.  They put out a good song and didn't have to
add any overbearing commentary with it unlike SOC (replace the "O" with a "U"
and you get the idea) and R.E.M.


"All of us get lost in the darkness,
        Dreamers learn to steer by the stars."
                ---"The Pass" by Rush

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From: mso@ukc.ac.uk (Michael S. Ody)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Lyrics wanted: Pearl Jam/David Gilmour/JJ Cale/John Martyn
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:39:39 GMT
Organization: Physics Lab, The University, Canterbury, Kent, UK

Does anyone have the lyrics to any of the songs/albums listed below?

    'Even Flow' by Pearl Jam (from _Ten_)

    _David Gilmour_ by David Gilmour (1978 solo album)

    any or all of J.J. Cale's albums (except _Grasshopper_)

    any or all of John Martyn's albums

And before you ask... yes, I have checked Dave Datta's lyrics archive.
That's where the lyrics to _Grasshopper_ came from.

Thanks,

Michael.

--
Michael S. Ody,
The Physics Laboratory,
University of Kent at Canterbury,
CT2 7NZ,  United Kingdom.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: gimper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stuart Miyasato)
Subject: Re: Rush Question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 07:10:55 GMT

In article <cubsfan.703313203@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>In <1992Apr15.034356.7458@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward) writes:
>
>>I heard once in an interview that the reason Power Windows was "brought
>>to you by the letter M" was because someone associated with the band
>>noticed that four of the eight songs began with the letter "M:" 
>>"Manhattan Project," "Marathon," "Middletown Dreams," and "Mystic
>>Rhythms."  I think it was an interview last summer with Geddy on WNEW
>>in New York.
>
>Sorry, according to Neil Peart, the "brought to you by the letter X"
>deal is a take off on Sesame Street...

I think you'd better listen to Neil's 12/91 Rockline inteview again.
In that interview, he specifically says that the 'brought to you by 
the letter M' on Power Windows was because so many songs on that album
started with 'M'.  Yes, it is a reference to Sesame Street, but it has
also become an inside joke to the band.

-- Stuart
From: rone@carina.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Def Leppard..something missing?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 16:58:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.usc.edu

In article <35092@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cthulhu@wave.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper) writes:
>In article <ku4741INNdon@corvus.usc.edu> rone@corvus.usc.edu (Man on a Mission) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.204700.26079@ncsu.edu> jlwoodal@warfield.garcia.edu writes:
>>>Is everyone forgetting a pretty important fact here?
>>>Hysteria SUCKED!!!

>>No, it was pretty good; it was just overplayed.

>  Nope. He was right. It sucked.

Nope. I was right. It was just overplayed.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: tonyr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Tony Robbins; (O))
Subject: Re: Def Leppard..something missing?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:33:19 GMT

In article <91410004@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> markb@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Mark Bridgett) writes:
>Mutt Lange?
>
>
I believe "Mutt" Lange is the executive producer of the album.



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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: patterjd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey D Patterson)
Subject: Definitive RUSH RAP
Reply-To: patterjd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey D Patterson)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:27:25 GMT

Trust me, it was GEDDY LEE who did the rap on RTB.  I used a 
computer to digitize the rap section, and actually edited it to play 
back to a normal voice, and it was indeed GEDDY talking.  Plus both NEIL
and GEDDY have confirmed he was the rapper.  besides, the rap does not  
sound anything like RUPERT!!!!!


		
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From: andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Test
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:11:03 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Apr6.224610.13977@ulowell.ulowell.edu> mpenny@cs.ulowell.edu (Captain Morgan) writes:
>
>	Just a test

What songs do they sing ?
-- 
| Andy - andrewc@spider.co.uk  |   He's just a boy,         "Renegade" |
|                              |   That has lost his way.       by     |
|  Or you children of today    |   He's a rebel,               Thin    |
| Are children of the Grave.   |   and he's fallen down        Lizzy   |
From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Help with ELO song
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:45:03 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK") writes:

> Does anyone know what is said on the album Secret Messages?

Which song in particular?  The beginning is reversed for you on the ending;
in "Danger Ahead," the reversed part says "beware there's danger ahead"; the
track "Time After Time" has "listen to the music" forward and backward; and
just before "Rock 'n' Roll Is King," the voice says "thanks for listening."

Any I'm missing?

--
phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, (713) 943-2728
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
From: bd427@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J. Babinsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Let's get rocked
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:45:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.184504.14647
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


It has already been posted:

In article <1992Apr10.170817.24510@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Daniel.S.Richman@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) says:
>
>And by the way, Phil Collen is a much better guitar player than Kerry
>King.
>

So how many years ago did you contract your brain tumor?  Hell any
small child out of beginers guitar school can play rings around
Phil Collen.   Hell any moron off the street can program a synth
better than the whole band can.

--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
Suaron


***** WOW, IF IT IS THAT EASY TO PLAY NOT ONE, BUT TWO 
GUITAR PARTS FOR A COMPLETE ALBUM---THEN I GUESS I'LL GO OUT
AND MAKE MY MILLIONS NOW***
 

JUST SIT DOWN AND REALIZE HOW RIDICULOUS YOU REALLY SOUND!!!
-- 
|I am the Bibman| "Together we stand, divided we fall"--Pink
|    bd427      |                                           Floyd
			GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: YESYEARS Question
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:35:30 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.194632.3034@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>
>In fact, if it wasn't for Chris Squire's ownership of the name, then
>it probably would have *been* Yes!

I wonder how much he actually owns, personally.  According to
rocumentaries, after Drama, the Buggles left the band.  Howe left.
Squire and White were left with the name.  They just kept it instead
of giving it to the record companies.

Combined with the fact that Squire is the only member of Yes to appear
on every album.

There was a push for ABWH to call themselves "Yes", but there were
other problems than Squire's owning the name.  Mostly that the
90125-Yes was already in existence.  Whether Squire personally owned
it, the band comprised of Squire, Kay, Anderson, White, and Rabin did
own it.



-- 
David Charlap                   Q:"Where do these stairs go?"
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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From: nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: What is Rock-N-Roll?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:51:04 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Aalborg

>>>>> On 16 Apr 92 02:31:16 GMT, Sasquatch@p4.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Sasquatch) said:

Sasquatch> led zep is r'n'r, although these days their being called heavy metal.

I think it's the other way around. Back then they were the begining of
heavy metal, like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Uriah heep.

Nowadays few would dream of calling them heavy metal.
From: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: More Rush Trivia...
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:00:59 GMT
 <1992Apr14.202351.14439@wam.umd.edu>  <cubsfan.703289706@camelot>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Another interesting thing to look at are the photos in each album.  The
cover of Exit...Stage Left has items from all of the preceding album
covers. Just look,

Rush - The lettering on the trunk is in the same style as their first
album
Fly By Night - The Owl
Caress of Steel - look at the picture
2112/All the World's a Stage - Red Star over the head of the puppet
king
A Farewell to Kings- The puppet king & crown
Hemispheres- The nude guy and the guy in the suit
Permanant Waves- The girl
Moving Pictures- The guys in red suits moving the picture

Also look at the inside picture of the CD booklet for Hold Your Fire:

The clock is at 9:12 and it is dark out, therefore it is 21:12
The TV from the album Power Windows is visible through the window
The fire hydrant is suggestive of Signals

Something else I just noticed while writing this, if you look at the
top of the fire escape above the Resturant, there is a face in the very
top right window, It appears to be the Statue of Liberty.  I can't be
sure though.  Let me know what you think.

--Brian

Brian.Sward@Dartmouth.edu

"There's no swimming in the heavy water,
No singing in the acid rain."
  
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:42:45 -0400 
From: "John A. Fedak" <jf3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ROCKLINE...
	<45082@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

Yo,

Is there a number I can call to find the local station playing the
syndicated Rockline show?

(Or better yet, who in the Pgh area plays the interviews)

        -Feds


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Re: Smells Like NIRVANA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:05:46 GMT

cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:


>I just saw the video and heard the song for the first time
>last night on mtv, I died! it was great!  Definitely Weird Al's
>best!  I love the cheerleaders with hairy armpits!  Well done
>video Al!

>  Christine
>

I thought it was hilarious!  It was TEN, no, 100 times better than Nirvana
themselves.  I wouldn't doubt if this song becomes more popular.


-- 
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= John Meseke      email-jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  =
= "Some gals like to kiss my face.  Is it luck?"    =
==============================-Les Claypool==========
From: LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:02:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Apr15.214531.20513@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple
Moriji) says:
>
>alt.emusic                      => alt.music.electronic
>alt.exotic-music                => alt.music.exotic
>alt.thrash                      => alt.music.thrash
>alt.guitar                      => alt.music.guitar
>alt.bass                        => alt.music.bass
>alt.rock-n-roll                 => alt.music.rock
>alt.rock-n-roll.acdc            => alt.music.rock.acdc
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal           => alt.music.metal
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy     => alt.music.metal.speed
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica => alt.music.metal.metallica
>
>And the creation of the following newsgroups:
>
>alt.music.rock.hard
>alt.music.guitar.tab

For once, I actually agree with Maple! The present state of
music groups on the net is rather chaotic and will only get
worse with time, unless something is done about it. However,
I do agree witht the poster who suggested that alt.guitar and
alt.bass be left as is....they don't quit fit in with the other
alt.music groups WRT formats and topics discussed.

Now, the question is, what must be done to enact these changes?
If we start massive cross-posted discussions to all these groups,
we will merely start a huge argument/flamewar. Is there any
peaceful way to do this?

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com (Adam Weitzman)
Subject: Re: Best live albums
Organization: ORA Corp, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 15:26:37 GMT


Yes, I know it's bad form to follow-up to one of your own posts, but you
can imagine my astonishment when I realized I had forgotten two of my
favorites:

Neil Young and Crazy Horse: _Live_Rust_ and _Weld_.

These are in a class with the Talking Heads albums I mentioned. Stellar
versions of stellar songs. "Hey, Hey, My, My" on _Weld_ is unbelievable.

Anyways, I still stand by my statement that the rest tend to fall by the
wayside. My personal opinion on this is that attempting to recreate the
atmosphere of a live concert in the privacy of someone's Walkman is a
futile gesture, almost certain to disappoint. If you weren't "there," the
concert recording is going to have a hard time taking you there. As for
live videos, well, they're better, but not by much. You're still not
surrounded by tons of screaming fans, caught up in the buzz, etc. In short,
I think making a great live album is a monumental task, and only a couple I
have heard have been really successful.
-- 
            Adam J Weitzman          weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com
    "Two men need one money, but one money needs no man." - The Sugarcubes
  "In a sky full of people, only some want to fly, isn't that crazy?" - Seal
     "Mine is the last voice you will ever hear. Don't be alarmed." - FGTH
From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Axl Rose Sucks
Date: 5 Apr 92 16:27:49 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr3.204121.7206@unvax.union.edu> budkee@unvax.union.edu (Eric Budke) writes:
>I'm basically writing this to see how many of you idiots actually think he's 
>any good.

I think he is.  Any other questions?

-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Firehouse fan also
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:36:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Apr13.183600.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <sduVueS00Uh7A92KtA@andrew.cmu.edu>, jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Michael Santore) writes:
>>I also am a FH fan.  I missed there show here in Buffalo in which they opened
>>for Tesla.   Anyway, the day after the show, I was talking with my friend
>>who saw the show in Rochester.  Well anyway, I guess CJ Snare announced that
>>their next album gets released next month.  I'm psyched.  I believe they 
>>should be able to pull off another hit album with more ballads and rock.
>>If someone doesn't beleive in their potential, just look at the facts.
>>They released their whole debut album except for about 3 songs, out of 11.
>>Firhouse rocks!
> 
> Ok... I am a very anti-Firehouse pop metal person, but without flaming
> or anything I'm curious as to exactly WHAT about them makes you like
> them.  I mean they're certainly NOT great technical musicians, but maybe
> they actually MAY have some redeeming qualities (although *I* PERSONALLY
> can't find anything good about them).  I repeat this is NOT intended as
> a prelude to flames, I'm just curious.
> 
>                         Thanks-
>                             John Santore

No flame here either, but what kind of answer do you imagine you will get? I
think over the bands I like, and with the exception of a few players that I
like for technical reasons alone, most of them just have something that I --
well, *like*... kind of like asking someone why they like pizza (because it
tastes good is about all you will get).... 

Being a writer, I have been thinking about this question a lot because the
whole world of writing and criticism rests on taste and undefinable "likes."
People will argue for eternity over why something sucks or not, but in the end
it always comes down to that. Pretty strange I think... but it is also exactly
what makes art so great... that we can like all kinds.

Even bands I don't like, with musicians that I don't think are that good, may
be good at what they do (i.e. a lot of pop and poisonish rock)-- making
popular party rock... 

Like anything else it is all in the eye of the beholder... it is only in music
that you see SO many people unwilling to accept that. I mean there are
disagreements in literature and painting, etc... but only in music will you
find regular, drawn-out battles of people saying "I like it" "No it sucks" "No
I like it" as you can here... 

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|  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu      |  us without any barbarians?   |
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