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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs (Defending Myself AGAIN!)
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:11:55 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Kay Schlumpf writes:

>Come on folks...I think some of you are just all too happy to jump on the
>"Bad Breeder" bandwagon here....

I think I can speak for others when I say that we are sorry if we came off
in an inflamitory way regarding this breeder, but yes, we ARE very
concerened about the possibility of an unfortunate person purchasing an
unhealthy puppy and we ARE very concerened about the number of backyard
breeders out to make a buck...can you blame us? :)

But I don't take much blame for this one...if you'd included a bit more
information about the breeder in your original posting, we wouldn't have
been so quick to jump to the wrong conclusions! Now that I know more, I'd
say they sound pretty good and I also agree with you entirely regarding
conformation/good pet/good personality.

The thing that I found alarming when I read your first letter was that your
writing made it seem they were pushing or encouraging you into using a so
called 'rare' dog to make a quick buck, regardless of it's faults, and
there are so many people doing exactly that and it's very, very sad :(

P.S. I wonder what would happen if we got my Dante the dobie and your Dante
the siamese together some day...can you imagine the confusion :*)

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stool color change in Chow
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:11:08 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Steve Plemmons writes:

>I have a Black Chow that will be one year old in late October.  Recently
>her stool is a very light brown color to bright yellow.  It is also very
>soft.  This has not been the norm for her in the past and I wondered if
>there were any reasons for this that I don't know about.

It might be time for a change in dog foods. My dobie had the same problem,
and like your dog he seemed perfectly healthy otherwise. I changed to a food
with a lower fat percentage and the problem cleared itself right up. I've
been told that when you try out a new food on your dog, give it six weeks
and then make an assessment of his coat quality and general health.

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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: IAMS dog food - thank you
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:33:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
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Since I can't possibly thank everyone who sent me
e-mail about my dog this is a big THANK YOU.  He
had an upset digestive tract and is doing much better

THANK YOU AGAIN.

Evelyn (owned by Digory)

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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:11:26 GMT

>From article, by sh4d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sandra J. Harris):
>> I haven't heard of anything wrong with dogs having veggie/fruit treats....
>> mine would be sad without them!

In article <1812@grivel.une.edu.au> bmahony@neumann.une.edu.au writes:
>I just recently got a puppy and I want to feed her the same
>...and I was wondering how you feed your dogs veges?
>Do you have any special way that you feed them those?
>I wouldn't think dogs would eat them straight...
>If you have any tips I'd very much apreciate em =)

My dogs have always liked vegetables.  My current companion, Kelsey, 
waits patiently by my side when I am cutting up veggies.  There are very
few that she won't eat (of course, I can never remember which so I find
them on the living room floor after dinner :-).  Her favorite thing last
winter was to dig up beets and carrots that I missed harvesting, and lay
in the snow and munch on them.  She also gets more carrots than biscuits
as treats.  I didn't really teach her to eat them, I just gave pieces of
different things to her when I ate them, and she developed her own
tastes.  (Things like grapes need to be cut in half or they'll just roll
them around and play with them until they roll under the couch to be
found months later :-b

;-) Robbin
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: help! how to control allergies to my dog!
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:28:24 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <3635@eastman.UUCP> garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison) writes:
>
>hello everyone,
>
>my SO has just told me he is allergic to my dog!  i used to live
>in buffalo with her and he lives in rochester, so it was never a

No problem...I've had several friends for whom thicaused some trouble.  Buy
some Allerpet-D, and wash the dog.  It may take a few times, but it should
kick in and you'll be a happy couple once again.  :)  Otherwise, just dump the
guy!  :)  (Just kidding, no flames, please!)

Kelly
From: smp@aquarius1.Berkeley.EDU (Susan M Painter x2001)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:56:32 GMT
Reply-To: smp@aquarius1.Berkeley.EDU (Susan M Painter x2001)

In article <1992Sep11.121816.3385@hemlock.cray.com>, djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan) writes:
|> 
|>   I have read to get a good Xray the dog must be knocked out
|> so as to not move during the Xray. This has caused problems. This is the
|> one thing that has kept me from getting my dog Xrayed. And really if your
|> not going to have pups, and you keep your dog in good shape, I quess I
|> would not have it done. Unless your Vet can Xray while the dog is awake
|> yet the OFA says that is not reliable.
|> 
|>    Good Luck
|> 
|>   Dennis Guldan
|>   Bird Dog News

Another reason to have your dog's hips Xrayed is for the benefit of the owners
that may wish to breed your dog's littermates.  It is also important to look
at siblings as well as parents when checking for the presence of HD in a dog's
background.  When I got my dog Xrayed he was already neutered but I did it both
for peace of mind (my dog is a Bernese Mountain Dog which unfortunately has
a high percentage of HD) but also so that the owners of his littermates would
know how his hips were.  I took my dog to a vet in Wisconsin to have him
Xrayed.  This vet does not knock the animal out unless absolutely necessary.
I have a well behaved dog that is used to having body parts poked so I knew it
would be no problem.  I have heard that it is possible to get a higher rating
if the dog is knocked out but I was more concerned with whether he had HD or
not.  He got a GOOD rating and I was happy with that.  I know there is also a
vet in Minnesota that does not knock the dog out so it must be somewhat common.
Sue Painter
Minnesota
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Entry level hunting tests?
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:03:50 GMT

Liza Miller writes:
> Most animal shelters volunteers are probably not hunting
> enthusiasts and may well be adamantly opposed to such training.

Couldn't prove it by the Alameda Animal Shelter.

Shelters and volunteers work with a variety of resources, refer to
many training programs to meet the needs of dog, owner, and community.

-- Jon
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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Those pesky anal sacks
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.150931.22619@news.unomaha.edu>, massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey) writes:
|> DITTO to everything you said for my 2 1/2 yr old weimaraner male.
|> At first we went to the vet every 6 months for the JOB to be done
|> now it is every 2 weeks at $10 to express the anal sacks.
|> 
|> The surgery is something I want to put off...apparently there
|> can be complications with retaining control of the muscle that
|> must be cut to access the sacs...and loss of control of the
|> stool would be really devastating to our dog.
|> 
|> Surely there is SOMETHING we aren't doing that someone knows
|> about....
|> 
|> Dana

I don't worry about anal sacks.  Why?  Because I express them myself.  Buy
disposable surgical gloves and ask your vet to show you how its done.  If
you're worried about your dog biting you, use a muzzle.

Of course there is the icky stink and just the general idea of doing it yourself.

Fun stuff! :-(

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From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Autoimmune Anemia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:50:06 GMT

Working at an animal hospital last year I saw a case of 
autoimmune hemolytic anemia.  the patient was a little maltese (an
extremely sweet dog, IMHO).  Basically, we had to keep giving her
transfusions to keep her rbc count up until the drugs had a chance
to start working.  Unfortunately, as you may or may not know, the
problem m with giving these transfusions in immune-mediated
diseases is that if the dog reacts against their OWN blood, they
will also react against transfused blood.  The inportant thing is
to keep pumping in more rbcs to keep her alive until the drugs
have time to work.

I wish you the best of luck...hopefully she was diagnosed quickly
and stands a chance of recovering.  

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From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Subject: Re: Black GSDs
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:16:48 GMT


Greg,

Thanks for the "American" perspective on GSD's. Since I am mostly exposed
to the "German" side, it is a good balance. I was very interested to hear
about how long-hair (or plush coats) are doing as well as the blacks.

I was talking to one black GSD (for German Shepherd Dog) owner and she said
one problem she also has seen with black GSD's is that they often lack
bone. 

I'd like to make a couple of responses about long hairs. (Not negatively,
more from the German perspective.) I must confess I have only read the AKC
German Shepherd standard a few times so I missed that the long hair is only
a fault, not a major fault. 

In Germany and under the German breeding rules, there are two types of
long hairs. The "plush" long hair is one that has an undercoat. This
dog is breedable (if it doesn't have other faults) but is automatically
placed in Koer Klasse II (selected for breeding) vs. Koer Klasse I 
(recommended for breeding). There is another long coat which does not
have an undercoat which is a disqualification under the German Standard.
I have only seen this once. And that one dog was sold as an exotic dog!

It was also my understanding that if you breed out the long coat factor
you begin to lose the lush coat even in the normal coated pups. So you
don't want to lose that factor. 

And thanks for the actual height in inches for the standard. I had a 
feeling the 20" was too low. All I can remember off the top of my
head is that 65 centimeters is the height limit for males under the
German standard and either 62 or 63 centimeters for females. 

Interesting info.

Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corp.
Littleton,MA
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From: ciacovel@telesciences.com (Chris D Iacovelli)
Subject: Bald spot
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:06:47 GMT

I am a new dog owner. I have a very energetic 5.5 month boston terrier.
Over the past week I have noticed that he is loosing his hair on his back
in a very localized area, just below his left shoulder.  He had an allergic
reaction to something about 1.5 months ago and the vet put him on
predinzone(sp) and an anihistamine(sp). He has been off the drugs for about
.5 months. I am making an appt with the vet regarding the hair loss, but I
was wondering if any other dog owner has experienced this?

AdThanksVance

Chris
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From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:34:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BuBrBB.DEw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
	schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf) writes:

>
>As the time approaches for us to bring Siegfriend home (like FRIDAY!)
>I am beginning to think. The breeders say it looks like he's going to
>stay black and that it's not a common color. Are black GSDs THAT
>rare? I didn't see many in the books, but then, not a lot of them had
>good photographs so I could tell.  Are black GSDs banned from the
>show ring like the white ones? 

Not at all -- black is highly desirable.  Conformantional flaws could
mean anything -- cow-hocked, too long, too tall, etc.


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From: dittjoy@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Joyce Dittmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:18:55 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

i've had one of those studios that come out to the house to take pictures of my
2yr old. at that time i always try to get a picture of the kid and dog. they
are best of buddies and i wouldn't think of NOT having a picture of the two
together. but there is a slight problem on getting him (the dog) to stay still
long enough to take the picture. We combat that problem with a treat. he sees
food, and he sits pretty forever!
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs (Defending Myself AGAIN!)
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:23:08 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BuDFn7.KoC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf) writes:
>
>Come on folks...I think some of you are just all too happy to jump on the
>"Bad Breeder" bandwagon here....
>
I gotta agree with Kay on this one.  Granted, there are breeders just into it
for the money, and some stupid people who go for their bullsh!t, but why jump
down her throat before you knew what the whole story was?  Obviously she's no
idiot, but you all sure tried hard enough to make her look like one.  it's
pretty sad when someone who asks a question out of curiosity and a genuine
desire for some answers gets ragged on by those people she's going to for
help.

Stepping off the soap-box now....

Kelly
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Entry level hunting tests?
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:18:36 GMT

In article <1685DC2CB.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>Check out the local vet offices and animal shelters; they
>usually can point you in the right direction for such clubs.
 	Actually, I would think that a local kennel club would be a better
source.  Most animal shelters volunteers are probably not hunting
enthusiasts and may well be adamantly opposed to such training.  Vets may
know about such a club but are just as likely not to as well.  Your local
kennel club will probably be advertised in the yellow pages of your phone
book and may keep a list of other area clubs.  Or you can contact the AKC,
(UKC and NAHRA too probably) and get a list of retriever clubs in your
area.  This information is published once a year in the Events magazine
which is part of the AKC Gazette.

>Step 3.
>Call the AKC and/or UKC and/or NAHRA and ask about upcomming hunting
>tests in your area.  Go to the test.  You could probably enter you dog
>in the first test you goto (the Junior/Started division) as the entry
>level division isn't too hard.  As long as your dog will be steady to
>the sound of a shotgun (on a lead) , and will retrieve birds to your
>hand, he'll do fine.
	That may do for AKC's Junior Hunter test, but for NAHRA being
steady on-lead isn't good enough.  They don't allow you to run your dogs
wearing a collar anymore.  You can bring the dog to the line on a light
restraint, such as a slip line.  Retrieving birds to hand means that he
will hold the bird until you take it from his mouth.  Dropping it at your
feet is NOT good enough.  Ideally, the dog will return to the heel position
and sit, holding the bird until you take it from him.  The AKC Junior and
the NAHRA Started tests are not identical but they are similar.  When I
first started training, the Junior test was harder than the Started and now
the reverse is true.  NAHRA is still a relatively young organization and is
still working out their programs.  They are a GREAT organization though.  I
find their events to be very fun and supportive.  AKC events are that way
too.


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From: mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:07:31 GMT

In article <9SEP92.17193198@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>In a previous article, hobright@src.honeywell.com (Lesa Hobright Turner) wrote:
>> 
>>>>for all of you out there with healthy pets....take alot of pictures.
>> 
>>I'm overly guilty of taking pictures of my Keeshond.  I sat down at a family
>>get together with three rolls of newly developed film....all of my dog. :)  
>>The family wasn't impressed ;-).
>
>	I can top that... I got so annoyed one x-mas looking at all the
>kiddie pictures of 'aquaintances'- most of whom had the children with
>someone other than their current spouse that I had WALLETS made of our
>labrador.  My husband took a great picture of him in the woods-
>it looks like a studio picture with a fake background(honest).  Anyway
>I had cheapy wallets made and yes I carry one and send them to anyone
>I think might get a kick out of it (ie a usmail penpal or another
>labrador fanatic).  Anyway call me nuts but now I can pass a 
>picture around too.
>	OH Has anyone out there had a portrait taken with their dog?  I
>don't mean the Santa and doggie picture but a real studio-serious picture.
>A friend of mine did once-I thought it was sorta weird at the time but I'm
>considering it for our first professional portrait. Oh yea- I mean dogs
>that are pets only- not the show dogs etc where I can see a need.
>Beverly
>Wash Univ. Med School, St. Louis, MO

My wife takes more pictures of our cocker than of anything else in the world.
The last time I took pictures to some old college friends 3/4 of the roll was
of Beamer.  Anyway, I knew some people in high school who breed beautiful
Irish Setters.  They had several as their own pets and actually had paintings
of the children with the dogs made, not just photographic portraits.  This was
of course at no small cost.  They were very handsome above the fireplace though.

			--Michael Buening
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Be Careful Feeding Carrots
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:46:51 GMT

There have been several posts on feeding dogs fruits and vegetables, and I
too often feed my girls these goodies especially raw carrots.  But be 
careful about giving your dog to big a chunck.  I know a fellow who lost
an adult Border Terrier when the dog swallowed to big a piece of raw carrot
which got stuck in his digestive track and caused a blockage.  I'm no 
expert on the canine digestive system and don't know all of the medical 
details, but when I give the girls raw veggies, I make sure the pieces are
appropriately small.
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From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Show (Match) Brags
Keywords: Show Brags
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:04:46 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep14.175108.25771@cbfsb.cb.att.com> posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church) writes:
>I'm not normally the type to make a post like this but
>after this past weekend I cannot resist!
>
>Our little Norfolk Terrier, Nora (Churchwoods Stowe Away),
>won the Best Norfolk
>puppy in Match at the annual Norwich/Norfolk Terrier Club
>match held on Saturday 9/12.  The judge was a
>Professional handler and well known terrier person
>namely, Mr. Tom Nattalini.

Congratulations!  That was a great win.  That match draws the
best.  I haven't been since they had their 50th match two years
ago.  The preentry for that match was over 100 with more day of
match entries.  What is her breeding?

Was there any mention of the Norwich/Norfolk that Tom Nattalini
just received that will put up for adoption later this year?

>On Sunday, 9/13 Nora was entered in an all breed match
>sponsored by the Hunterdon Hills Kennel Club and this
>time she won the Best Adult in Match!!.....for you see
>Sunday was her first birthday!  The judge this time was
>Peggy Helming, a well known breeder of Newfoundlands.

Again a great win.  Can I assume that she will be in the
sweeps at Montogomery.  Sorry I won't be there this year
to see her but I will be looking for the results.

>Sure hope this is an indication of things to come in
>future Shows as my wife and I are both on Cloud Nine
>right now!
>
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