HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: umwaufi report / WASPs
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.175830.26149@col.hp.com> davea@col.hp.com (Dave Allen) writes:
>phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>> And I'll only go on one condition:  NO WASPS!
>
>I know what kind you're talking about, but it would be a honor, of course,
>to have a Women's Air Service Pilot attend (or whatever it stands for).
>They're the lucky ones who got to fly all the bombers and fighters in WW-II.

Would you like one?  I can put one in touch with you.  Not only a WASP,
but one of the (original, I believe) 99's.

Today, she's 71 years old and still has flaming red hair.  She's a major
league pistol and will outlast most of the rest of us (last year she made
an F-16 jockey green (not with envy) when she got the opportunity to
co-pilot his own F-16 - He told her ``Let's see how you can handle
THIS.''  Big mistake.  Her first words were: ``Let's see what this baby
can do.'' :-)

She lives near the Twin Cities and would be more than thrilled to come
up and meet a bunch of people interested in her story.  Her goal in life
is to raise the awareness of the role of women during WWII and in 
aviation in general.

-- 
Robert J. Granvin                                       School of Statistics
rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu                             University of Minnesota
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From: steve@netcom.com (Stephen Williams)
Subject: Cessna 177RG to try out
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:25:18 GMT
Organization: Organizations Anonymous
Reply-To: steve@icarus.net.netcom.com
Distribution: ca

I've asked this before, but with only limited success, so I try again.
I'm looking for a Cessna 177RG to try out. I'm thinking of looking
for one to buy, but want to try one out before getting TOO engrossed.
(It may be too late:-) Anybody know where I might find one, prefereably
in the Bay area, but I can fly to the plane if necessary.

I've tried on earlier suggestions:
West Valley Flying Club	- no 177 on line
Alameda Aero Club	- only for club members

Thanks
Steve Williams
PP-AMEL IA
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From: rlarsen@bnr.ca (Richard Larsen P220)
Subject: hang glider varios, soaring list
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 12:22:09 GMT

I do not have email privledges. My appologies to anyone who may have
been bunched up by this.

Thanks to the hang glider people who responded to my question about
wrist worn varios.

To Mark Milbourne:  Since I don't have email here is my input for the 
soaring list
Richard Larsen;no email;private;Carolina Soaring, Louisberg N.C.;2-33,
1-26,1-34,2-32,l-13,g-103,szd-51,krosno kr03;160;no badges
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From: ingham@vesta.unm.edu (Kenneth Ingham)
Subject: Re: Warm fuzzy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:48:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <7188@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>Yeah. Me too. If only I had that kinda cash...or even the dough for the
>Hummin' Little Grumman...

Which isn't for sale :-)


-- 
Kenneth Ingham WD5BBT
ingham@i-pi.com or ingham@ariel.unm.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Hummin' little Grumman N9646L
From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Blimp touch and goes...
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:28:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: col.1992Sep3.152831.22450
Organization: your service

Speaking of the Goodyear blimp, here's a little story I've 
been waiting for the right place for, and this is probably 
as close as I'll get.

When I was a kid (well, more of one than I am now...), I got
hold of a book that listed addresses of things you could send
away for for free.  One of the addresses was for B.F. Goodrich,
for some publicity packet they were offering.  I thought I
was being really clever, and addressed the envelope to "The
B.F. Goodrich (not Goodyear) Company" which toyed with their
slogan-at-the-time.  And inside, after my request for the whatever,
I added, "How about an autographed picture of the blimp?"

When I got the stuff in the mail, they had included a poster of 
an empty blue sky, with the caption, "A picture of the Goodrich
Blimp."
From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Be nice to your engine
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:13:57 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

In article <67194@hydra.gatech.EDU> randy@khan.gatech.edu (Randal T. Abler) writes:
>
>I'd prefer to rent a plane by "Tach" hours.  If you reduce the RPM for
>quiter flight (and to be nicer to the engine) then your cost goes down.

It may not be nicer to the engine to run at low power levels.  When I
picked up a factory reman Lycoming at Carter Aviation in Tennessee, I
asked the flambouyant Bobby Carter what I should do to be sure to make
it to TBO.  "Son", he said, "don't baby it.  Just run it hard and often."
Since Bobby has heard the stories that went along with several tens of
thousands of engine exchanges, I think he's likely to be right.

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov
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From: gopal@cirrus.com (Gopal Ramachandran)
Subject: Re: Flying Long/Vari-EZ
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:47:40 GMT

 leed@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Lee Devlin) writes:

>..<The Long>-.. EZ.. has no rudder pedals or throttle..<in the back seat>..
>.. The most exhilarating moment.. was doing a roll in the Long EZ...

I went for a ride in a friend's Vari-EZE a few years ago, and he asked
me to demo a slow roll. All I had was the stick in the back, so I was
only able to do an aileron roll, but he liked that. The visibility is
quite good. One thing that surprised me was how light the pitch forces
were compared to how heavy the aileron forces were. I dont know if
this is true in the Long-EZE as well but I didnt care for that. I
prefer the forces to all be light (as in a Pitts) or all heavy (as in
a cabin-class twin) as I find it easier to control the airplane
reflexively. Still, it a fun airplane and its interesting to  watch
the canard move opposite to a conventional elevator with pitch
movements.

-- 

Gopal Ramachandran <gopal@cirrus.com>
UUCP:  uunet!cirrus.com!gopal
Cirrus Logic Inc, Fremont CA  PH: (510)-226-2138 FAX: (510)-226-2160
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Trainer Stolen & Returned 3 times
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:44:21 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Sep03.221050.23352@i88.isc.com>, ericth@i88.isc.com (Eric Thiele) writes:
> The Tattler, West Chicago, IL 9/3/92
> 
> This just in from the scene at DuPage Airport.
> 
> Early this morning, a twin engine Cessna 152 was stolen from, and subsequently 
[deleted]

I just have one question. Where exactly is the second engine?

Congratulations!

   Bill

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Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.
From: kanner@Apple.COM (Herbert Kanner)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Problems reaching duat.contel.com lately?
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:50:08 GMT
Organization: Development Systems Group, Apple Computer

I'll swear that I used to telnet to "duat.contel.com".  This week, it
seems to require the spelling "duats.contel.com". Anyone know what is
going on?

BTW, is the other company, DTC, on Internet?

-- 
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Apple Computer, Inc.
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kanner@apple.com
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From: BCLEWIS@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Brian Lewis)
Subject: Re: There I was - mag check
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.185809.20661@i88.isc.com>
ericth@i88.isc.com (Eric Thiele) writes:
 
>
>Another anonymous tale - about a pilot who took off on only one set of
> mags.
 
As you read clockwise around the ignition switch, I believe the labels
are in this order:
 
        Left
   Right    Both
Off            Start
 
So if your routine is Both - Right - Both - Left - Both, this will
reduce the chances of inadvertently not getting the switch back to the
"Both" position prior to takeoff.
 
Brian
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: umwaufi report
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:16:14 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

The Amana colonies?  Amish Acres?  No those won't work......we wouldn't
have to drive to the restaurant!  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

			Bill
From: peterson@specxn.enet.dec.com (Harlo Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Alphabet Airpspace
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:43:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs

Another major difference in the way things will become is that there is no
contained airspaces where one class of airspace is also some other type of
airspace at the same time.  The containment of ATAs in CZs in TCAs will no
longer occur, it will all just be B, C or D airspace as appropriate.  This
will be a major simplification.  You will not need to do an intersection of
all the rules for all the airspace you are simultaneously located within to
figure out what to do.

Control zones with special VFR not permitted will not be charted in the new
scheme.  You will have to see the special note that will be attached to a
particular chunk of airspace to find out about that restriction.

Class F airspace is controlled airspace where IFR separation services are
provided on a best effort basis.  The United States does not allow for this
type of rule so class F airspace will not be assigned here.
--
Harlo Peterson                       Digital Equipment Corporation
      harlo.peterson@cxn.mts.dec.com 1110 Chapel Hills Drive (CXN2/35)
      719-260-3003                   Colorado Springs, CO 80920-3995
From: rob@cats.ucsc.edu (99708000)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Mr Spitfire spits the dummy...news
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:42:51 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsco.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug31.172747.113635@evolving.com> rhw@evolving.com (Robert H. Wiebener) writes:

>The Discovery Channel had a great piece about this accident on the
>documentary "Flight Command".  Or something like that.  They analyzed
>the accident in-depth and had some great footage.  Looks like that 29
>made a big hole.  

I can't resist a little comment--
The guy punched out at a very low altitude and in a very difficult
attitude (almost straight down), but the ejection system miraculously
saved him from significant injury.
I wonder if that will sell many MIG 29s.

-- 

-Rob Strand

   From Bitnet: rob@ucscvm  From Internet: rob@ucscvm.ucsc.edu    
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: binwu@poisson.Berkeley.EDU (Bin Wu)
Subject: books for sale
Organization: /home/poisson/users/binwu/.organization
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:15:12 GMT

The following books are for sale. Best offer.

1-The airplane, by Trevor Thom, AOPA series
2-Flight training, by Trevor Thom, AOPA series
3-FAR/AIM, '92.
4-Cessna 152 manual.
5-Fight training handbook, by FAA.

reply by email, or call (510)549-4918. Thx.

Bin

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From: greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Subject: Re: Flying saves money (sic)
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:59:15 GMT

In <1992Sep2.182621.5833@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:

>In article <greg.715453752@saltydog>, greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:

>|> Most, if not all, airlines do not use Flight Service except for
>|> EFAS and HIWAS.

>But the weather information network infrastructure that underlies EFAS,
>flight service, control zones, etc., are certainly essential for all forms
>of aviation.  United may have their own weather interpreters, but surely
>some of the information they are getting is coming from the same source
>that flight service gets its info from.

It all comes from NWS.  The met guys at the larger airlines talk directly
to NWS, just like Flight Service.  And they often make their own
area/terminal forecasts.

But I'm really splitting hairs.  Of course, any airline met. person worth
their job is going to see if his/her forecasts agree with everyone
else's.  Surface observations clearly come through the FAA/FSS network.

>And EFAS and flight watch are all part of flight service.  And who do
>they file pilot reports with?

Airline pilots usually file PIREPS with Center controllers.

greg, just being the devil's advocate
--
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Data Parallel Systems Incorporated   greg@dpsi.com (For MX mailers only!)
Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)
From: masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Comparing Tach and Hobbs rates?
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:01:46 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

In article <28AUG199215512825@watson.bms.com> bullock@watson.bms.com (JOAN BULLOCK) writes:
>
> That being the 
>case, 2375 RPM is probably not far from the RPM at which tach time = real 
>time. 

Ding! Correct.  According to the _Light Plane Maintenance_ systems book,
there are two standard equivalences for tachometer gearing.  The most
common one is tach hours = clock hours at 2350 rpm.  The second standard
is a lower number (about 2200, I think).  This fact can be used to
determine whether your tachometer is calibrated correctly.  You simply
set the manifold pressure to get 2350 rpm, then fly for exactly 30 minutes
(or some other multiple of 6 min = 1/10 hr.)  Compare the number of tenths
displayed in the tach window.  If the number is higher than expected,
the prop is actually turning faster than the indicated 2350, or vice
versa.  The reason this works is that the "odometer" function is geared
directly to the engine, whereas the rpm needle is an analog deflection
movement subject to internal friction, etc.

Dan Masys
masys@nlm.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg)
Subject: how to do a mag check?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:07:08 GMT


Can someone tell me why the mag check is done both - x - both - y - both?
I simply do both - left - right - both.  After all, B-L-B-R-B is in
reality B-L-B-L-R-B because of how the switch is set up.

Thanks!

						Matt Ginsberg

Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: Where to rent in Miami, FL
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 23:52:35 GMT

Others said
# Andrew did a number down there.  It's likely that every single airplane,
# whether hangared or not was destroyed, including those at the Kermit Weeks Air
# Museum.  One of his B17's was found 1 1/2 miles from the airport with a DC-3
# embedded in it.  The tower cab was blown out.  


Ouch.
I admit that I clean forgott about Weeks Air Museum @ Tamiami.

Weeks had lots of FLYABLE a/c there, and several that were still
undergoing work. The -17 was one of those. When i last saw it,
it was on the ramp with 7 or 8 other birds. 

We can talk about the declining stock of current g. av. a/c,
but nothing could replace the things he had there.
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From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Mag check random thoughts
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:18:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Aug.30.13.07.28.1992.22451@pilot.njin.net> ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie) writes:

>This is in some shutdown checklists.  However, don't do it at the
>runup RPM, but some more sane (like 1000 RPM) idle, which is usually
>called for at shutdown anyhow.

This reminds me of something I forgot to include in the mag check I've
been using: we always did it at about warm-up speed, i.e. about 1200
rpm.  The only thing we did at runup speed was the runup and carb
heat (also making sure the brakes held -- it is a Piper after all!)


-- 
<BGB>
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(really Bruce Bostwick)        /   but sometimes I still do"
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From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: US Customs
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:02:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200609.6634@cirrus.com>, gopal@cirrus.com (Gopal Ramachandran) writes:

|> 	Once we returned to the US after having had to hand prop an
|> IO-470 Continental on a Cessna 310 and after explaining the problem to
|> the Customs people, they inspected us while we left one engine running
|> the whole time. 


Yeah, that's why I always tape the cocaine to the inside of the engine
cowl and leave it running.  It discourages those snoopy customs guys :-)


(It's a joke, okay? :-)  )
-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
From: niles@parc.xerox.com (Les Niles)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Flying saves money (sic)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:03:36 GMT
	<1992Aug27.021247.2384@peck.com>
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Aug27.021247.2384@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
>This question comes up with some regularity.  For U.S. pilots, at least,
>it's interesting that if one takes into account the *full* cost of driving
>vs. the *full* cost of flying, on a per-mile basis, flying a typical light
>single is indeed comparable to driving a late-model car.
>...
>Automobile (owned, driven ~15K miles/year)
>...
>    Registration (California), 5 years over 60K miles           $0.06/mile [3]
Do you really pay $900/year for registration???  Or should that 
be $0.006/mile?

>...
>Now here's a thought.  In an airplane, you may be able to get where
>you're going in many fewer miles than you can if you go by road -- I'd
>guess 20% better is not unusual.  So, that means you get to discount
>the $.51/mile by 20% to yield $.41/mile, which is cheaper than
>$0.43/mile.  And if you discount the $0.42/mile, you're down to a true
>bargain -- only $0.36/mile!
Ah, but there's
+  Training and maintaining currency.  It's been a long
   time since I went out and drove around in circles in the parking lot
   because I was feeling a little rusty, or wanted to hear the tires 
   just barely squeeeaak as I pulled into a parking spot. 
+  A car rental company will hand over the keys even if you haven't 
   actually driven a car in years; no checkout with an instructor 
   at $25/hour is required, neither is an hour's driving in the same 
   make & model every 90 days.  
+  Auto maps last for *years*, and are free; airplane maps last 
   somewhere between 8 and 26 weeks and can easily cost $0.01/mile.
+  It's not only unnecessary, but illegal, to use $600 headsets in 
   your car.
+  Pine-scented air freshners are a lot cheaper that all the doo-dads
   from the local pilot shop that it takes to keep a plane in the air.
:)

But seriously, Geoff, it's interesting that the costs come out that 
close.  It makes me feel better, though the decision-making is still 
basically "fly if possible, drive if necessary."

  -les  niles@parc.xerox.com
        Skylane N2461G
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: amo@cbnews.cb.att.com (arlene.m.osborne)
Subject: Re: Certificate Change of Address
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:57:40 GMT
Summary: I got a new one

In article <31AUG199214371979@watson.bms.com>, bullock@watson.bms.com (JOAN BULLOCK) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.211142.19578@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, gle@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov 
> (glenn ellis) writes...
> >I recently moved and dutifully sent a change of address to the FAA for my 
> >SEL license.  Are they going to send my a new one with my new address on 
> >it?  Easy question - hopefully there's an easy answer.
> 
> If you want a new certificate, you have to _pay_ for it.  I never investigated
> how much, inspite of 3 - 4 moves and one name change (to that of my favorite
> co-pilot ;) )  It's dog-eared but legal: all that the regs require is 
> notification.
> Joan Bullock


That's odd.  I got a new one when I remarried and changed my name and I
KNOW I didn't send any money.  (Also each time I got a new rating).
Arlene
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: rlarsen@bnr.ca (Richard Larsen P220)
Subject: bird damage
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:48:59 GMT

I don't mean white spots on the canopy.

When I am working a thermal sometimes I am flying close to large soaring birds. This is not a problem because of the slow speeds at termaling. However in a dive at 100 kts. or at high speed on the ridge i would thing there could be a danger. While flying the ridge at high speed seems like a risky proposition because the soaring birds work the ridge too.

Has anyone out there had any close encounters of the bird kind?
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: KIWI AIRLINES [MD-11 NOTE too]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:51:54 GMT

jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear) writes:

>What about Pan Am?  Nice big white 747's with that blue stripe down the side.

>John

that is the freshest one..skipped my mind....
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From: gmz@netcom.com (Gerry Zeitlin)
Subject: Scenic flights as a business?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 18:05:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: scenic sightseeing business

I've been thinking about establishing a scenic flight operation
in the scenic area where I live.  Nobody is doing anything like
this here at this time, and on the face of it, from my admittedly
naive perspective, it seems like it might be a good idea.

My capital is low (virtually nonexistent, actually), and I would
have to use leased aircraft.  I would be the pilot, which means
that I would have to obtain a commercial certificate.  I now have
about 450 hours and many hours of instrument instruction logged.

There is a suitable airport here, although it has no services on
the field.  About 35 miles away is an airport with full FBO facilities.

I am wondering if anyone could provide me with information or guidance
which would assist me in researching the feasibility of this idea.

You may respond via email although I would think this would be an
interesting discussion topic here.

Thanks.

Gerry Zeitlin / gmz@netcom.com / 619-647-6438
From: stadler@Apple.COM (Andy Stadler)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Feelin' Comfy
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:32:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Stolen from the May 11 AvLeak:

  FEELING GOOD

  Japan's defense agency will equip each of its six McDonnell
  Douglas/Mitsubishi F-15J fighter quadrons with an automatic
  massage machine in an attempt to make pilots more comfortable.
  More than 60% of Japan's 180 F-15J pilots complain about
  lumbago and muscular aches after high-g flight.