From: botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: The Neverending Thread, Part II Was: Dogfight Size wars
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <lyodav.724899627@vincent2.iastate.edu) lyodav@iastate.edu (Sun God) writes:
)In <1gul34INN36t@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu) tvangod@ecst.csuchico.edu (Skud the Great) writes:
)
))In article <lyodav.724638494@vincent1.iastate.edu) lyodav@iastate.edu (Sun God) writes:
)))   I'm a career DD player, and I played in the dogfighting tourney as a DD.
)))(once as an AS on accident, and I actually mutualed with a CA ;-) )
)))What happened was interesting. I had a poor record against CAs, maybe 1 win,
)))5 losses, and 5 ties. But against BBs, I had a great record, probably 6 wins,
)))3 ties, and 2 losses. I know these are small samples, but 2 of the the 6 
)))possible ship vs different ship matchups have these outcomes in general:
)))CA vs DD:   CA wins
)))BB vs DD:   DD wins
)))
))Im a Career BB player, love to dogfight with you sometime....think you might
))have a hard time plinking me....
)
)
))Skud the Great
))Jack the Ripper.
)
)   I did plink you to death twice in the dogfighting tournament. I was invited
)to the second round, but I couldn't make it. Who knows if I would have advanced
)to the finals, but I'm probably a good approximation of the "Good DD
)dogfighter" that everyone is looking for. 
)   As for DDs being useless in general, I disagree. I played DDs exclusively
)in INL games, and I always had:

Well, I had the pleasure of playing with you in the SINL aginst AA.  
)
)1) The most DI on my team (always above 8.00)
nope.  3rd
)2) A ratio above 1.00 (about 10 carriers created, 120 kills)
yep, but not 120 kills
)3) 3rd highest planets bombed after the 2 SC bombers
yep.  good opening bombing run
)4) 3rd highest armies ogged after the 2 oggers
not even close.. 5
)5) Somewhere in the top 3 for planets taken/destroyed
yep.  you scummed well.

Posted-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:13:53 EDT
Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:30:59 EDT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:13:53 EDT
From: William Thang Katz <wk5w@mtaac.bme.Virginia.EDU)
To: sinl@dsd.es.com
Subject: Condensed Stats for playoffs


Twelve Angry Men     kills   losses   offense   bombed  ogged  planets   DI
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hector               147      128       1.83      44      56       4    9.06
Ayeser                89       52       1.05      55      20      13    8.71
WeenieBlaster        113      109       1.38     147      14       8    8.29
D'Spayre              80       76       0.96      50      20       5    5.59
SpaceGhost            49       96       0.59     143      10       3    4.73
My Addiction          56       69       0.67      85      21       1    4.14
Zorkian Grue          60       91       0.75     117       2       2    3.76
Eat Photons           43       83       0.56      44       6       2    2.67
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total                637      704                685     149      38

Zorkian Grue spent 0.07 hours in the SB: 7 kills, 1 loss.
Eat Photons spent 0.12 hours in the SB: 6 kills, 1 loss.

Note the total kills and losses.  And this was for a team who spent nearly
the entire game with about 3 planets.
)
)   If this is useless, I'd like to see what useful players do. Contrary to 
)popular belief, the DD is the most versatile ship.

Yes, you did a good job of running.  Ayeser was a bigger scum than you, though.
D'Spayre was the deep ogger and SpaceGhost was the bomber. 

I won't caliber about the caliber of the team.  That would be rude (plus, Jim
already mentioned that one).

)   Ogging   Bombing   Planets
)1) CA       SC        DD
)2) DD       DD        AS
)3) SC       AS        SC
)   The CA only appears once in the above chart...duh, guys, why do you play

Gee.  What an argument.  Lessee... if I make a list and put AS at the top
of all categories, then the AS must be the best.

To even categorize bombing and planet taking effectiveness, you need to make
certain assumptions, esp with AS.  ASs are only good bombers with lots of 
armies or when you need to drop a planet below 5 (and are usually carrying).

I can give scenarios where all of the ships (cept SBs) are best for Bombing
and taking Planets, though I'd have to argue that in most circumstances 
CAs are better for bombing than DDs.

)them? Scouts are possibly as useful as DDs, but certainly CAs aren't. The above
)chart is arguable, but in any case the CA is not one of the top 3 bombing or 
)planet taking ships.

I really regret getting into this stupid thread.  Hmmm.  I even made a post
on the Balton thread, though at the end, and only because Nanci drew me in :)

)--Dave/WeenieBlaster

Justin
(god, even Tom and Scott calling each other assholes is better than this)\\\