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From: daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 2 batteries -- how?
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:23:01 GMT
Reply-To: daver@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Distribution: na
Organization: Costa Mesa, CA

In article <2AA4DB18.2B8@deneva.sdd.trw.com> fletch@spf.trw.com (Fletcher Riggs) writes:
>Your proposed solutions suggest that the alternator is connected directly 
>to your ship's electronics in addition to being connected to the batteries
>via the isolator.

I neglected to mention the following:
Included in my control panel is an ammeter that indicates charge/
discharge (center-zero type).  In order for this to indicate as
designed, the alternator output has to connect to the +12V load bus
and through the meter to the battery (the selector switch common).

At this point I'm pretty much resolved that I'll have to abandon
this ammeter and replace it with two separate ones: one to indicate
the load, and one to indicate charge current.

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: unleaded gasoline
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:15:13 GMT

In article <118301@muvms3.bitnet> m043117@muvms3.bitnet writes:
>I have a simple question for boat mechanics or persons with knowledge
>on Evinrude motors. Is it okay to use unleaded gasoline in 1976 Evinrude
>3 cylinder 75 hp. motors? Thanks in advance for any and all replys..

   Shouldn't be a problem.  2-strokes don't have valves, and lead is
   a cooling agent for valves as well as an octane booster (detonation
   retarder).  Besides, unleaded is all you're likely to find anymore
   anyway...

   I'm sure many folks use unleaded in their outboards of any age.  I'm
   not sure how old our last one was ('80?), but we used it all the time.
   'Course, it's blown up now :^) but it often had mechanical diffuculties,
   not fuel related I'm sure.


     jed --  YZ490 / XL125 / WaveRunner 500 / more in the works / AMA
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 All statements are merely opinions, yet are corroborated by a .357 magnum.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: FAQ suggestions
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:02:59 GMT


I've gotten several suggestions about the FAQ list, all of them helpful.
Several people suggested that I distinguish between "facts" and "opinions,"
so that my answer to the "Should I get a Doel-Fin for my boat?" questions would
be "Opinions vary widely. One things widely agreed on is that installation may
void some or all of your warranty, and you should check this. In rec.boats,
the opinions seem to be that some folks like them, but that most folks end up
removing the fins after a while." 

I figure that this sort of thing---the fact that opinions vary widely, and that
many posters have said that they knew of people who had installed and then
removed the fins---is probably useful, and fits the loose definition of an 
"answer to a FAQ." 


Others suggested that I avoid compiling a list of all boating knowledge, and
I agree wholeheartedly. 

A couple of folks suggested that they might be better maintainers of some
portions of the list (e.g., David Levine and Roy Smith for racing, and someone
else for powerboats). I'm all for it, provided that they are willing to do it.

At least one person, I hope facetiously, suggested I compile boat reviews as
well, making it into a sort of electronic "Practical Sailor." I giggled, but I
don't intend to comply, except perhaps to write a "summary of opinion" on a few
oft-recurring types like Bayliners. 


Anyhow, look for the first posting sometime in mid-late September perhaps.
Those eager to contribute should send me the information they think deserves to
be in the list. Particularly nice would be exact references for books, and for
catalogs of books. 

-John
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: unusual incident (was Re: Lobster Pot)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:32:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 92Sep1112150@candide.uchicago.edu, steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes:
>Well, since you know what pintles and gudgeons are, maybe you can give
>me a good definition of ``partners'' and ``hounds''.
>

I can only give you my impressional definitions--no references here.  
Yes, I think the partners are the reinforced area where a keel-stepped 
mast passes through the deck/house.  I don't think deck-stepped masts 
have partners--but they do have "tabernacles"!  

I think the hounds is the place where the headstay of a 
fractional rig meets the mast.  The bottoms of the jumpers 
are fastened here, on boats that have them.  Does a masthead 
rig have hounds?  Don't know, but don't think so.  

BILL COURINGTON
From: zpope@osf.org (William Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:22:09 GMT
	<1992Aug26.171708.295@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Reply-To: zpope@osf.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: Open Software Foundation


>In article <1992Aug26.171708.295@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>In article <GS#PABB@b-tech.uucp> jon@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff) writes:
>>While I can see it in a harbor or other crowded situation, I've 
>>wondered why everyone is so hyper about heads being dumped overboard.  
>>In something as big as the chesapeake, we are talking about few small 
>>drops in a big bucket.
>> ...
>
>   It's not just a few drops. Its a great many turds with more coming 
>every day, and a bucket that doesn't empty itself too well. 
> ...
>
>   And I've stood on deck in Nantucket Harbor and watched turds (whole)
>and wads of toilet paper drift by a few feet under the surface. Either
>way, it sends the fecal coliform count up and makes the water unsafe for
>people to swim in. The ocean's a pretty big place, too, but municipal
>runoff often causes local beach closures due to coliform.

>   Either you're part of the solution, or part of the problem.

I have to agree.  Narragansett Bay is fairly big too.  I've developed a
distaste for swimming off the boat after seeing the turds and tp.  I only
have a holding tank and will admit that it is inconvenient.  We use it
everywhere in the Bay.  I just wish that there were more pump out stations.

I still see of people sending it directly overboard in harbors and even in
marinas.

=bill

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From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat US 800 number
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:07:25 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>Does anyone have the 800# for Boat us insurance?

1-800-283-2883

-rcf
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: streching a tarp (was Re: re: Winter Boat Storage)
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:19:30 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Aug28.182110.26793@news.clarkson.edu> billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett) writes:
>Instead, weights were
>hung (gallon plastic milk jugs filled with water) from the eyelets
>along each side of the tarp.
>(who >cares if they freeze) and you don't need a place to hook 
>the other end.
>-billp

This is the proper solution, I think. However, if you fill the jugs
with water, and they freeze, burst the jug, then thaw, the water will
leak out, and the tarp will blow around. So, maybe we fill them with
sand (dry sand), or gravel (little bitty gravels that will fit 
through the mouth of the jug), or antifreeze. The antifreeze 
would be expensive, but comes in a suitable jug. :-).

Bob
bobp@sandr.com


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[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:36:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.214158.17174@ans.net> hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>A simple question for all of you: If you buy a used boat, and want to change 
>the name, is this bad luck?
>
>Rob Hagens

You betcha. This is one of the oldest superstitions in all of seafaring,
and has definitely withstood the test of time. Old-time shipowners
would never change a ship's name unless they absolutely had to. For example,
during both World Wars, a large number of German ships were seized. Some
of them had names like Grossherzogin Grimmhilde and had to be renamed
for obvious reasons (I may be wrong, but the USCG "Eagle" is one of these).
Still, there were strong pressures to leave the names alone. The
Herzogin Cecilie (perhaps the most beautiful square-rigged ship of all)
kept her name when she joined the Finnish grain fleet, which didn't keep
her from piling up on the Devon coast in the summer of 1936.

There are lots of ways to attract bad luck on the water, for example, 
having women on board. Whistling will get you into trouble (unless
you're the skipper, in which case you will get more wind). A good
antidote to bad luck is scratching the backstay.

Leave it alone.

Stefan Michalowski
stefan@sunrise.stanford.edu
From: kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Marine Binoculars
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:29:15 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University

Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Keywords: 

I'm looking around for an inexpensive pair of marine binoculars that have
a compass incorporated inside. So far I've come up with:

             Fujinon poseidon  $299
             Bushnell Navigator $299 (on sale)
             Tasco ???         $199

Does anyone have any experience with these models? Comments or opinions or
suggestions of other models??? Is it better in the long run to jump to the
$600-800 range for Steiners? Is there a place where I might be able to find
second-hand equipment?

Email: kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu


                                    "Well blow me down!!!"
                                           -Popeye the Sailor



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From: daver@felix.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: 2 batteries -- how?
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: daver@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Richards)
Distribution: na
Organization: Costa Mesa, CA

I'm electrifying my dad's 50+ year old sailboat.  Everything was pro-
gressing smoothly until I decided to include wiring to allow a second
battery to be added at some later date (I don't think it's a critical
requirement at this point).  Anyway, I bought a selector switch that
allows you to select one or the other or both batteries, and I also got
a battery isolator so they can both be charged while only one is being
discharged.  As you may already know, the isolator is simply two diodes
with a common anode connection.  The two cathodes are the two outputs
that go to the batteries.  The diodes introduce about .8V drop from the
alternator voltage (I measured it).

The way to connect the battery selector switch is obvious.  The problem
is, I can't come up with a reasonable way to connect the isolator to
the system without introducing other problems.  The diagram that came
with it doesn't show a battery selector switch in the circuit.

As I see it, there are several options:

(A) Run the output of the alternator directly to the isolater and the
two isolator outputs to the two batteries.  Problem: If the selector
is left on "1", battery 1 charges fine through the selector switch,
bypassing the resistance of the isolator, but #2 never charges up all
the way because of the .8V diode drop.

(B) Same as (A) only I readjust the alternator output to .8V higher.
Now selector is left in the "off" position at all times while the en-
gine is running and both batteries charge equally to the correct vol-
tage through the isolator.  Problem:  The switch may unintentionally
be left on "1" or "2", and the higher voltage will cook the battery(ies). 

(C) I forget about the isolator altogether and just hook the alternator
output to the selector switch common terminal.  Only the selected battery
will be charged.  Is it OK to leave the selector switch on "both" while
the engine is running, to charge both batteries in parallel? (That's
what the switch documentation says, but I have doubts.)

(D) Same as (C) only the switch isn't left on "both".  The skipper has 
to remember to periodically alternate the switch between 1 and 2 while
the engine is running to charge both batteries.

(E) Any other options I haven't thought about?

Dave
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Summary: Yes, I did...
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:59:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Sep4.034319.28530@pmafire.inel.gov>, rickf@pmafire.inel.gov (Rick Furniss) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep3.190840.26391@cs.ubc.ca> goldberg@cs.ubc.ca (Murray W. Goldberg) writes:
> 

	[Lots of stuff about how if you don't do Rick's type
	 of boating, you shouldn't be on the water deleted]

OK...

Back to what this was originally all about...

> C:   I have noticed that the only complaints about Bayliner boats are from NON
>    Bayliner owners ?   Hum you guys must be jeoulous or something ?
> 
> D:   It appears so far that no one has meet the challenge this thread is 
>    suppose to be based on, HUH ?
> 

In article Message-ID: <1837vkINN1bf@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>

I wrote:

-Of course, when you start using a solidly built boat, your
-perception of less-capable hardware changes. Personally, I
-don't like most of the cheaper boat brands, because they do
-flex and rattle. In my eyes, a real boat should fly 25 feet,
-and the only thing rattling when you land should be your teeth
-(or perhaps your knees).

The boats I'm referring to here are in the under 25 foot range.
Larger boats may be different, but since I'm not in that market,
I don't know about it.

By "cheaper boat brands" I mean low-end {Bayliner, Maxxum, Sea Ray,
Four Winns, Chris Craft, Glassmaster, Glasspar, Glastron, did I
miss anyone?}.

Some of the best brand names I have ever seen are: Boston Whaler,
Grady-White, Mako, Stallion, and Malibu Skier. (Sorry, Gary...
I've never ridden in or driven a Baja.)

The biggest reason I like the "best" list of boats is that they
are SOLID. The only rattles you hear are from the trolling motor
and other fishing gear (if so equipped). When they do fly out of
the water, they land with a satisfying "thud", and they don't
get stress cracks all over the transom from the pressure (I use
outboard motors, and they can stress crack a cheap transom pretty
easily). Most of them use quality fittings, which is definitely
not the case with the cheaper boats.

Like I said before, you get what you pay for, and if you plan
to USE a boat, you should go the extra bucks. It'll save you
alot of aggravation and dismay when you don't have to watch
your baby's beautiful finish get marred by peeling tape and
stress marks (I should know... I just dumped a Glastron Carl-
son on some poor sap who wanted a fast-looking boat).


-- Mike

--------------------------------------------------------------
As always, this is my opinion.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deidre byrne)
Subject: re: Winter Boat Storage
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:51:16 GMT

My advice:

Don't use a blue poly tarp.  They freeze stiff quite easily at temperatures
found in New England (and I'm sure Utah as well) winters.  Then a storm comes
along and your nice new tarp rips to shreds in one season.  The option we've
always used (in Maine) is a large canvas tarp with a 2x4 frame (or for a sailboat
you can just use the unstepped mast) that goes from the bow to the stern and
clears the highest point on deck by a few inches.  The tarp drapes over this
like a boom tent and is lashed down all around to your cradle or trailer.  The tarp
should be heavyweight canvas and should go over the frame with a couple extra 
feet of cloth on all sides (fore and aft as well as port and starboard).  It should
have grommets all around. This is what our boatyard uses for all outdoor storage
boats -- you can probably order one from a boatyard quite easily.  They're
not too expensive, as I recall.  A good weight of canvas, properly lashed,
will last you ten years. If your mast is too long and sticks out over the transom,
that's Ok.  Just make sure the canvas comes down sufficiently far to protect the
stern.

Side View                   (mast or 2x4)
                    ----------------------------------
   (pulpit or more /   (a couple inches clearance)    \
         2x4) --> /         _________________          \
                 ----------/  (cabin)        \----------
                  \                                   /
                   \                                 /
                    ---------------------------------

Rear View                  /\ <- (canvas will come down over this frame)
                          /  \
                         /    \ 
                         ------
                         \____/
From: jon@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Keywords: heads, pollution
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:40:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI

>>   Either you're part of the solution, or part of the problem.

No, most people are both.

All boaters, in fact all people, and even the fish and the alga are 
part of the problem.  We all have limited resources, it's a question 
of how these are best spent to improve the situation.  

-- 
Jon Zeeff   NIC handle JZ   jon@ais.org  zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas Lucy)
Subject: Re: Chesapeake Bay Net Gathering
Organization: S&R Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:19:37 GMT

In article <142@cherise.UUCP> bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.004952.1663@sandr.COM> dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas
> Lucy) writes:
> >Hey! For those of you planning your own water-based net gathering,
> >try to snag a picture while you're at it. I'll be snapping some
> >electronic frames (I hope to get Bob dropping his cellular overboard
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >_again_)
>  ^^^^^^^
>
>[Good ideas about photographing the net raft up, albeit tainted with
> the above marked heinous personal attack against me deleted :-)]
>
>OK, you started it Doug. :-)
>
>It was a dark and stormy night. We were motoring into Baltimore,
>good breeze on the nose, rain. Doug is driving, I'm below changing
>into dry clothes, when I hear Doug say "Bob, check the chart and
>see what that big Island ahead is". I yell "TURN LEFT", just as
>the Crush_you Maru, a big car carrier turns on their spotlight.
>We missed her. It was close.

Um, WHAT color is the bow of Thaedra again? Isn't it SUPPOSED to be
white? .... details reserved in hopes of ending this thread without
tears or unnecessary late-night computing mischief.... 8->


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From: bobc@hplsla.hp.com (Bob Cutler)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 14:26:07 GMT
Subject: Vector II Loran
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I've just installed a Vector II loran.  It seems to work great when it
works.  The problem is that it won't power up on anything less than about
12.5 to 12.7 volts.  Once it's running though, it seems to handle the lower 
voltages just fine.  According to the documentation is should run at 12 volts.
Anyone else had this problem?   

I also had a problem (out of the box) with the BNC connector on the coupler 
cable.  The ground braid was shorting to the center conductor.  I talked to 
another boater that had a similar problem with his unit.  On his they hadn't
tightned the nut on the connector, so his unit was also intermittent.  

Everything else on the unit works great.  I was worried that a less expensive
unit wouldn't tolerate all the electrical noise coming off a pair of 40 year
old engines.  That hasn't been the case.  The unit works just as well with both
engines running.  Perhaps there is one benifit to having generators instead
of alternators 8-).

Bob Cutler
Hewlett-Packard
Everett, WA 98205

Anyone else going to the VREB Classic Boat Festival in Victoria B.C. this
year?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: macewenk@qucis.queensu.ca (Kevin MacEwen)
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:44:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.034003.20227@rose.com> ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 08-20-92 23:31
>re: porta-potties in Canadian waters
>
>BillP writes, in response to a query about the waters near Point Pelee:
>
>BI>The only thing I can tell you for certain (because it said so in the
>BI>literature that came with my potty) is that they are banned on waters
>BI>within the province of Ontario.
>
>They are indeed banned in Ontario waters, but only if they don't have a
>pump-out fitting.  The one on my boat is illegal; you must remove the
...

>The chances of getting busted for an illegal porta-potti are somewhere
>between slim and none.  As BillP suggests, you are far more likely to get
>nailed for fishing without a license.  If someone in the law enforcement

...

>They are not going to ask you to hold up your toilet so they can see if
>it's legal.
>

True, it is unlikely you will be asked to hold up your toilet.  But it
can happen.  
Last summer I worked for the Ontario Ministry of the Environment on a
program which checked boats on the Rideau Canal between Ottawa to
Kingston.  I believe there were people doing this other places in the
province as well.  
However, there is no need to worry.  All that we did is tell people
about the law in Ontario, and send them a letter a bit later in the
year reminding them to fix the problem.  Everything then gets lost in
the endless bureaucracy.  No fines were ever handed out (by those of
us on the Rideau).

KM    
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Enlarged charts
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:50:25 GMT

INSET 2 to NAUTICAL CHART 18652 (San Francisco Bay to Antioch) is 
a small scale chart covering Redwood Creek and the sloughs across and
around Bair Island. The scale is 1:40,000 which is smaller than I can read.
I took it along to KINKO, a local printer, and they blew it up to 150% in
brighter colors, and set it in waterproff plastic. Great! I now have some
hope of not grounding quite as often. These fin keels really are harder
than hinged centerboards...

Gybe Ho!

Francis Muir on FELIX, Freedom 21
at the Port of Redwood City