From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Ritual Magick Experiences
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:14:00 GMT
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In article <1992Apr13.123402.913@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
>In article <1992Apr12.230126.28846@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.210932.10514@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
>>>In article <Gerald_Del_Campo.0031@sorinc.UUCP> Gerald_Del_Campo@sorinc.UUCP (Gerald Del Campo) writes:
>>>>In a message dated Sat 11 Apr 92 06:35, Joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (joshua Ge
>>> 
>>
>>You don't understand what magick is supposed to be.  You obviously 
>>haven't made an effort to find out.  If you can't be bothered to find out, 
>>then why bother airing your opinions?  Simply jump to your conclusion that we 
>>are deluded and not to be trusted, then get lost.  I can live with that.
>>
>

Disclaimer:  Again, I speak only for myself.

 >I have too made an effort.  I've read lots of stuff by Crowley. I've been
>to seminars with Gareth Knight and Delores Ashcroft-Norwicki.  I've read
>quite a bit of Regardies stuff as well.  Finally,  I've posted on this
>newsgroup to try and get some more info.  

Its unfortunate that you've made so much effort and absorbed so little.

>At least one person has actually given me some useful information.  

I'm glad you found someone to relate to.  What did they tell you that you 
consider to be useful information?  Not trying to be nosy here, just want to 
find out what reached you.

The rest just attack me because they
>don't want to give me any useful information.  My only response is that

Stop whining.  Noone has attacked you, yet....  

>I can only conclude that you don't have any useful information to give,
>because you are hiding behind religious excuses.

Its very possible that I have no information you would consider to be useful.
If you are confusing magick with religion then you have completely "missed 
the boat."  Personally, I would classify myself as agnostic, for lack of a 
better category.

>>Don't owe you any explanations.

I don't owe you any explanations.  Don't have to justify anything to your 
satisfaction.  Noone does.  You have to figure things out for yourself.

It helps to be polite when you are asking people to give you something - even 
explanations.  Since you have made an effort (though its certainly not 
apparent), I'll try to answer your questions - specific questions only, 
not generalities.  

>Then what's the point of having a newsgroup if people don't want
>to explain their Magick?

People don't have to explain it, because (hopefully) those discussing magick 
already know what it is.

You're spending a lot of effort trying to discuss something - magick - which 
you consider to be nonsense.  Why do you bother? 

>>- Peggy -
>>
>>Pssst:  Scientists tend to find out what they're talking about before they 
>>        talk about it.
> 
>Pssst:  Religious Freaks tend to attack people and not their arguments,
>because they don't have any sound basis from which to make a reasonable
>response.

First time I've ever been called a religious freak.

- Peggy -