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From: mullen@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Preston Mullen)
Subject: "Trinitone", was Re: XBR^2
Reply-To: mullen@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: Information Technology Division, Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:58:42 GMT

Jim Millick's remarks about color temperature adjustment of XBR^2
reminded me that the KV20EXR10 has a "Trinitone" adjustment, which I
take to be a color temperature adjustment with "high" and "low"
settings.

However, I'm not sure I can see any difference between the two.  This
is complicated by the fact that switching the setting causes a
distracting blue "TRINITONE HIGH" or pink "TRINITONE LOW" label to
appear at the bottom of the screen for several seconds.  I tried
looking at a small area of the screen, well away from this label, close
up through a paper tube, and I think I detected a slight change in the
color balance of a white area (the blue phosphor stripes seemed to get
a little brighter in the "high" setting, etc.), but I'm not really
sure.

So, is TRINITONE real, or is it a placebo feature?

	Preston Mullen
	Naval Research Lab
From: robe@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.g.egan)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: D/A converters in Laserdisc players
Keywords: single bit vs. 16,18,20 bit
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:38:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

With the demise of Video Review I don't have a list of all the
current model year players. One thing I was wondering, Have
all the D/A converters in the players gone to the single bit
technology or are there still some that use 16 or 18 or 20
bit? The trend that I thought I noticed was going to single bit.
Is this true? Which brands still use multiple bit technology?
Thanks for your help.

Rob
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:08:15 GMT
Subject: Sci-Fi: aint what I thot
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.video

As it turns out, I awaited like everyone else in my subscriber area for
the first day of Sci-fi channel.  For days previous, there was a 24 hour
banner with special effects, noises etc.. I thought this channel was 
going to be the coolest.  

Well, now that I have it, I am glad it is on basic service... I would not
pay for it.  

For all of those out there who dig Sci-fi so much you thought you were
having an orgasm when you first heard about a Sci-fi channel devoted to 
the like of us, calm down... 

It aint as great as they said it would be...  Unless you like all day
long reruns from recent shows like:

Space 1999 (ahhhbblllphph!) or Incredible Hulk (give me a break) 
or Alien Nation (wasnt that just on?) and the list goes on... 

Its the same stuff when I get home from work...  I guess they are saving
the good stuff (there isnt much of this anymore) for later.  
They showed Star Wars the first night and since then, all I have been
able to catch are B rated fifties movies... 

I guess you will just have to make your own decisions of course, but 
I think you would agree that if your cable company offers it as some
sort of premium channel, dont be fooled... In fact, late at night,
when you would expect Sci-fi to be showing cool fifties sf classics, 
I saw one of those hour long JUICER commercials... ahhhhhhhh

....The dissillusioned..
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: various TR101 observations and questions - followup on Hi 8
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:19:41 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

All of my dropout problems went away when I started uning Fuji double coat 
tapes.

-- 
Jeff Killeen - DECUS U.S. Chapter NLC Chair | Email:killeen@eisner.decus.org

DECUS is for folks who are responsible for delivering computing technology.
The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!
From: robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:46:21 GMT
Subject: Video format transfers
Organization: HP Roseville Site
Newsgroups: rec.video

Video Format Transfers


	There are several companies that advertise in magazines(eg VideoMaker)
that will convert NTSC (USA format) to other formats:

	PAL ->UK
	SECAM -> France & most Eastern block countries.
	MESECAM -> Middle East

	My favorite (I know the owner and it's local) is
	
	RVT
	1911 Douglas Boulevard #85
	Roseville
	CA 95661
	(916) 773-3705

	They offer VHS or 8mm (including Hi8) transfers. The approximate
cost is around $25 for 2 hours including tape and return shipping.
CA residents have to pay tax at 7.5%. They have a 24 hour turn around time.

Hope this helps people who are looking for answers to video format transfers.
I don't think it's necessary to cover the technical differences!

Dave Robinson.
Xref: sparky rec.video:13667 rec.video.production:1800
From: jackp@netsys.com (Jack Powers)
Subject: Professional Film Scanners
Summary: Looking for fast, hi-res color film scanner
Keywords: film digitizer 
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:00:37 GMT

I know that even though this is a "rec." group, lots
of people follow it, so please excuse the topic drift.
I am doing a survey of products for digitizing 35mm
movie film. I know of Kodak and Quantel, but suspect
that there are others lurking out there. If you can help,
please email me; I'll respond with a summary to all
contributors when it is done.

Jack Powers
408/779-7472 phone/fax
jackp@netsys.com
jackp@well.sf.ca.us
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: HDTV Record of Test Results Published
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:27:24 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: HDTV, Test Results

In article <BxwzDD.qJ@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> avfilm@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (W. Mark Ritchie) writes:
>For all those interested in the various competing HDTV systems the
>official Test Results have just been published.  There is a report
>available on each of the 5 systems.  Each report is US$400.00 and the set
>of five US$1500.00. 

Not to be cheap, but - if someone who has seen these reports could post
a summary, I'm sure that lots of people would be interested (and I could
put the $1500 toward an HDTV set!).

Also, when will the decision be announced?
Doug



Newsgroups: rec.video
From: careyk@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Carey Kinoshita)
Subject: Re: Sony's new MDP-455 LD player...
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.195758.28898@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> mucci@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Philip Mucci) writes:
>	Hello all, 
>
>	I just ordered Sony's '93 replacement for the MDP-333 LD player, the
>MDP-455. Has anyone seen this player? Nobody in Baltmore seems to carry it. You
>might be asking yourself, 'Why did he buy it if he hasn't even seen it?' Well
>the answer is that I was so pleased with the 333's performance (a friend has 
>one) that I couldn't resist. If anyone is curious as to how much I got it for,
>it was $379.00 + $15.00 S/H from Pennsylvania. I post the address if anyone is
>interested. If you have seen this player, could you send me a brief summary
>of the differences between it and the 333? All I heard is that it has better
>noise reduction, but I'm not sure what that means in terms of digital data.
>
>	Thanks,
>		-P.M
>

When you get your MDP-455, can you post a message to this newsgroup concerning
how you like the MDP-455 picture enhancement modes.  The MDP-455 has a      
picture enhancement feature which toggles between SOFT, NORMAL, SHARP.
The MDP-455 also has a feature where the laserdisc player will mask out   
imperfections in the video which are caused by laserdisc defects.  I would
especially like to hear how effective this circuitry is.  I would be great 
if we no longer get those short white streaks, or those white spots etc.

                                                 Careyk


Newsgroups: rec.video,sci.electronics
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: video lighting levels
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:38:29 GMT

In article <1e8hajINN398@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> swk@east.sun.com (Steve Klosterman - Sun BOS Hardware) writes:
>1. Under low-light conditions (indoors), the picture is very grainy.  Perhaps
>	I'm expecting too much from Hi8?  I tend to believe that the difference

In the current "Lighting" magazine (I don't remember the name exactly,
but it was for performance lighting professionals) there is an article
which mentions that a broadcast studio uses over 60,000 watts of lighting.

Do they know something?

-- 
Will Intel be the only X86 chip maker without a 586?
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on DirecTv DBS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:57:48 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <YARRI.92Nov19094002@solbol.icrl.mew.mei.co.jp> yarri@icrl.mew.mei.co.jp (Douglas Yarrington) writes:
>
>I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on the up coming (1994?)
>release of the DirecTv Direct Broadcast Satallite (DBS) system from Hughes
>et. al.
>
>Has anyone heard of this?
Yes.
>Is anyone interested in such a scheme?
Yes.
But I'll bet they botch the programming by concentrating on PayPerView
(personally, the only thing I'd pay to view on this basis is the flogging
of those who keep trying to foist PPV on an unwilling market).
What I would like to see is a cheaper, higher quality replacement for
cable, with a 40-50 channel package costing less than $15, and movie and
special events channels costing less than $10 (per month).  The programming
should include all the major cable channels (AMC (an absolute must), ESPN,
CNN, MTV, A&E, Bravo, TNT), the major superstations (TBS, WGN, WPIX), and
the major 'broadcast' [sic] networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS). (Digital radio
should be part of the basic package, as well.) I expect digital sound, 
full NTSC (~480 lines) video (with HDTV asap) and no visible compression 
artifacts (visible to discerning viewers, not to those who think VHS is 
watchable (if VHS is the medium, what's the message?)).

DBS is probably the only hope for HDTV catching on in the States before
the end of the century, and for that reason alone I would like to see it
succeed. Further, DBS is a much more efficient mechanism for program
distributions (DBS is to broadcast TV as Usenet is to the Pony Express).


Doug
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Differences between Sony TR71 and TR81
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:22:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <Bxz37D.HBw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> clee@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Cassian Lee) writes:
>
>I guess the question is is the picture quality really that much better
>on a Hi8 than a 8mm format???

I thought so. My TV is not that great, but the picture quality is much better
using Hi-8 - if the number of dropouts are not too high. 

I rented a TR81	for a day to do some testing. I had some dropout problems,
but the  picture quality was enough better I decided to chance it that they
could be worked through.

Last night I bought one at Camera World's retail outlet. They are having a 
sale. I got a TR81 with everything that comes in the box, a soft case, 2
additional 1 hour Hi 8 tapes and an extra Sony 2 hour battery for $959 or 
$969. I can't remember exactly. 

Bryan


Newsgroups: rec.video
From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: LDs with no chapter stops
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:58:36 GMT

In article <dewey-161192083707@sebastian.centerline.com> dewey@centerline.com (Devan F. dewey) writes:
>In article <lmv1g5m@rpi.edu>, kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) wrote:
>> 
>> Could someone E-mail me a list of laserdiscs without chapter stops... 
>
>... Don't expect a list to be posted. There are two many.

Yes, indeed far too many.  Paramount releases seem to have no chapters
more often than others.  A second problem is the disc with far too
few chapters (1-3 per side).

>An interesting note about this however. I did rent a disk (I wish I could
>remember which one) that had stops on the disk but none printed on the
>jacket. Possible that is was in a jacket from a different edition, but
>doubtful.

This is also quite common.  The jacket art is usually done in a different
universe from the one where the disc is mastered :-).  The people doing
the jacket often don't know if there are even going to be chapters on
the disc, much less where they are.  Voyager/Criterion is among the best
about having lots of chapters and listing them on the jacket, but even
they have had their mistakes.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Bill Cruce, INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu, VOICE: 216-325-2511
   N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown OH 44272-0095
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.releases,rec.arts.movies,rec.music.video
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: BETA Movie/Music List on Misc.forsale; updated 11/18
Summary: Or, reply directly ONLY if you don't get Misc.forsale ...
Keywords: Betamax, movies, music
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na,jp
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:54:36 GMT

I have posted an updated (92/11/18) swap list of Movie/Music videoes 
in the Misc.forsale buffer for any Betamax users out there in netland.
These are all original store-bought, prerecorded items (former rentals
or bought brand new).

[Those of you who do not subscribe to Misc.forsale can send me e-mail
for a direct copy ... however, PLEASE keep these requests to a minimum!]

A number of us Beta users on USENET have been overcoming the death of
our "poor man's laserdisc" format at the corner rental stores by the
exchange of our legal software.  Please join us, and post your list 
on Misc.forsale for the benefit of others (as well as yourself!) if 
you don't like mine ... (-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Jesus Saves!
> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
From: ma168faf@imath8.ucsd.edu (Matthew Guarnotta)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: ***Television as window********
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:35:41 GMT
Organization: Univsersity of California, San Diego


Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (W. Keith McManus)
Subject: Wanted: Sony BVV-5 VTR
Followup-To: rec.video.production
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:57:09 GMT

Wanted: Sony BVV-5 Betacam SP docking VTR

W. Keith McManus                      
Rochester Institute of Technology
School of Photographic Arts & Sciences
Rochester, New York  14623-0887

 InterNET: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

          AOL: KeithRIT

          
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: gillu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mandeev.sandhu)
Subject: MicroSoft Windows 3.1 video software
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:29:08 GMT

	I was reading an article in Mac Week about video software
supplied by Microsoft and Apple. There was a mention that Windows 3.1
has some new features for video editing!! Apple has a product
called Quick Time which was explained in some detail. I was 
wondering if anyone on the net knows about Windows 3.1 video
editing features.

Mandeep
ms@honasa.att.com 
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: gilgalad@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: Hi8 amd 8mm VCRs for sale, ...
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:48:58 GMT


UUCP mail tends to be funky, so please include fastest mail routing path
from some Internet point, or please call me ; my replies may bounce.

-Sony EV-S900 Hi8 8mm VCR
  -hi-band 8 (much higher resolution than regular video)
  -2 sets of inputs (both S-video and regular video and stereo in)
  -2 sets of outputs (both S-video and regular video and stereo in)
  -jog and shuttle dials (on the remote as well)
  -full function remote
  -control-S and control-L connectors
  -PCM digital audio (up to 24 hours digital audio per 8mm tape)
  -digital tuning (cable ready 1-125 channels)
  -rotary helical scanning FM recording mechanism
  -crystal clear stills, playback, ...
  -great condition
  -manual
  -$1100 + shipping

-Sony EV-S700 8mm VCR
  -regular 8mm
  -2 inputs and outputs
  -stereo
  -PCM digital audio (up to 24 hours digital audio per 8mm tape)
  -full function remote
  -digital tuning (cable ready 1-125 channels)
  -great condition
  -manual
  -$450 + shipping

-Sun 386i, 19" color monitor, 300 meg SCSI drive, 8M RAM, keyboard, mouse, ...
  -I'm selling because I cannot get it to work with additional drives, and
   I need to add 2 more drives, will consider trades against Sun 3s or SPARCs
  -$1650 + shipping
(About $100 less than what I paid a short while ago).

-Seagate SCSI Wren 7, 1.03 gig (formatted capacity), 5.25" full height
  -sometimes doesn't spin up properly, and must be slightly tilted to get
   it to spin up.  Not a problem for me, since I have it on my Sun which
   is on all the time
  -$950 + shiping

-400 meg IDE 3.5" drive
  -$790 + shipping

-300 meg SCSI 5.25" full height (Wren)
  -$690 + shipping

-Sun 3/50 mono
  -NO keyboard, NO mouse, NO monitor, 68020 and 68881, works fine
  -4 megs RAM, SCSI, 2 serial, ethernet (AUI and thin), ...
  -$300 + shipping

-16 bit PC ISA ethernet, AUI/thin/twisted pair connectors, software, manual
  -SMC Elite 16
  -$70 + shipping

-Micron 2 meg RAM card for Amiga 2000/3000/4000
  -$50 + shipping

-Seagate 120 meg IDE 3.5" drive, brand new
  -$250 + shipping

-NeXT magneto-optical disk, with 0.8 (OLD :) release software
  -$50 + shipping

-Cadence treadmill
  -used for about 1 month
  -manual
  -LCD panel
  -built in computer
  -must sell locally due to size
  -bought for $700
  -asking $300

-Easyl 500 graphics tablet
  -interface board for Amiga 500
  -high resolution
  -large pad
  -great condition
  -$250 + shipping


                        Thanks, Ralph

(313) 677-3086

rps@arbortext.com    gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu

Ralph Seguin
2261 Glencoe Hills Dr. #8
Ann Arbor, MI 48108
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: serial control of video recorders
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:44:53 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <1992Nov23.232353.7931@netcom.com> sjk@netcom.com (Shel Kaphan) writes:
>
>I am seeking any information about standards (either default or
>otherwise) for serial (i.e. RS-232 or whatever) control of
>professional video recorders.  Anybody know where to find this
>information? 

You need an animation controller such as a Lyon-Lamb minivas
or Diquest (sp?).  It will talk to your computer by RS-232 and to
certain professional VTR's.
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Subject: Re: SLV-R5
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:35:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.000939.10399@muddcs.claremont.edu>  
nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi) writes:
> 
> I have a quick question about the SLV-R5, for someone who uses one...
> Is it possible to insert edit the two linear audio tracks separately?

The SLV-R5, like most modern VCR's, has only one linear audio track. The  
only way to record stereo is to use the hifi tracks. Perhaps what has you  
confused is that the audio monitor function has four settings:

	1. Play normal stereo using hifi tracks.
	2. Play left hifi track through both outputs.
	3. Play right hifi track through both outputs.
	4. Play mono linear track through both outputs.

> I understand that the hi-fi audio is integrated with the video signal,
> but I'd like to be able to insert edit with either of the two audio
> tracks individually with an RM-E700 or RM-E300.  Sony's brochures don't
> make any indication of this at all.

The "audio insert" feature allows you to insert edit on the one and only  
linear audio track, while leaving the video track and the two hifi audio  
tracks unchanged.

--
Dave Seaman
ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: great simpsons quote from
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.2860.1410@dosgate> "tony camara" <tony.camara@canrem.com> writes:
>-> And if you have doubts about Betamax: Don't.  It is the best consumer
>-> format (in all of its subformats).  Beta is better than VHS,
>-> SuperBeta is better than VHS-HQ, and ED Beta is much better than
>-> S-VHS.  Period.

>How can you say that beta is better than vhs ? I thought that old theory
>had died a long time ago ( i think about 4 year's now ) . There was a
>slight difference in the specs but it's nothing you or i would notice
>with our eyes . The difference was only on paper . This was sony's big
>scam to keep beta alive when they where begining to see the death of the
>beta . Remember sony also said they would never make vhs decks . Looks
>like they ate there words.....

I can say that because I have seen it.   Look at what you were
responding too.

It said super-beta is better and VHS-HQ and ED-Beta is better than
S-VHS.

I ovn some super-beta machines.   VHS does not meet it, especially in
Super-Beta 1 hour format.    However the lastest of the VHS decks, and
that includes Sony, are so much better than just a couple of years ago.

I have seen nothing that comes close to ED-Beta in the home market.
Pro machines in tv production studios yes, but home units NO!

It is noticeable with my eyes, so maybe you don't have the right set,
or perhaps your set needs ajustment.   I have a 35" direct view that is
4 years old that specs to about 700 lines.  Whether it meets those
specs I don't know - I don't have a way to measure it - and probably
wouldn't if I did :-)

If you put on the Demo tape shipped with every ED-Beta machine, it is
quite obvious.   Great colors, low noise, incredible resolution.

And there is a test pattern on the tape.  I can't tell you the exact
number because it is subect to interpolation, but the test pattern
shows between 500 and 525 lines of resolution.  ED also uses 'metal'
tape as opposed to oxide.

As with any analog format there is always a degeneration on each copy.
However, if you watch a copy of a laser disk and A/B back and forth, it
takes a good eye and knowing what to look for to know which is the copy
and which is the original.    Without A/Bing you wouldn't know it was
tape.

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson)
Subject: Re: S-video <-> separated video (or Hi8|S-VHS <-> Betacam)
Organization: York University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:14:44 GMT

dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:

|(Ralph Seguin) writes:
|>
|>Hi.  Sorry for the question, I don't know where the FAQ is (or
|>if there is one for this group).  Anyhow, the story goes as
|>such.  I want to be able to do transfers from Betacam to Hi8 or
|>S-VHS and vice versa.  I am a complete neophile to Betacam (having
|>not seen the ports up close one one yet), and I don't know what it
|>has in the way of ports.  I believe that they have separatated Y/C
|>video somewhere on there.

|Betacam does *not* record Y/C video.  It records Y, R-Y, and B-Y.
|To convert this into Y/C video, you would need an ntsc encoder with
|Y/C outputs - they do exist.

|If you don't have the budget for that, there's a good chance that
|the Betacam equipment has composite video output available somehow.


Betacam SP is CAV (~Y, R-Y, B-Y), which is a transcode point between RGB and
Y/C, so howcome they would encode it right down to NTSC output,
without includeing an S connector,  unless
the machines were engineered before Y/C was commercially viable?  Just
a curiosity, since I don't have my SP info at hand.
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