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From: ab@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Baron)
Subject: Need fax number at Beijing Inst Sci & Technology
Originator: ab@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:55:12 GMT


I would like to send a fax to a Professor who is a faculty member at:

	The Foreign Languages Department
	Beijing Institute of Science and Technology
	No. 30, Xueyuan Road
	Beijing 10083, PRC  

Does anyone know the fax number (if there is one)? Suggestions about
how I can find out will be greatly appreciated. 

I do have a cable number (Cable 7441). How does that work?

Thank you!

				Alan Baron
				Department of Psychology
				University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
				ab@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:29:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr14.202913.15676
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <12208@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.194225.591@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>>
>>                **** WITNESS *****
>>
>>Before 1989 TAM, Shannon went back to Beijing and had a fight against
>>CCP leaders at various levels.  Those leaders rendered personal
>>persecution to him.  
>
>And he told us he had freedom of speech in China. What a disgrace liar
>and backboneless ...
>
>Hao

The persecution/(his speech) was small.  One time persecution out of 
100 speeches.
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Xue4 ran2 de lyu4 ka3 (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:39:30 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr14.042801.21350@cs.yale.edu>
 horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.170309.6909@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
 mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes


>>	So you're saying they asked to be shot in cold blood? :(

>Come on, they most certainly did provoke a violent response.  Some of them
>had beaten up (and even killed) policemen, waving their bloody uniforms
>before crowds--all before June 4.  No government would put up with that.

	So your logic is since a tiny fraction of the students responded
with violence, it was okay for the government to open fire on the students
even though the majority of the students were peaceful. By the way, I think
you meant to say the government of China couldn't put up with that, NOT
"no government would put up with that." There are laws against killing peaceful
demostrators in "most" countries. And please, don't even try to tell me that
"most" of the demostrators were not peaceful. Give the readers of the Net 
some Credit, we're not as gullible to government propaganda as some folks.


>>Do you really blame the peaceful student demonstrators or are you 
>>so disillusioned with the "wonderful" government of China? (Brainwashed)

>I don't blame the *peaceful* student demonstrators.

	Who do you blame? I know who I blame. (the cold blooded killers)

						Mikeey
				    mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu


>					--Scott

>-- 
>Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
>horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
>203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
>Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<1992Apr12.223842.21974@descartes.waterloo.edu>
	<wangf.703124247@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> <12184@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:42:45

In article <12184@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu) writes:

>   Technically speaking, Yang-Li means solar calendar and Yin-Li means
>   lunar calendar because T'ai-Yang is the Sun and T'ai Yin is the Moon.
>   My personal opinion is that the Old Calendar (Chiu-Li or Jiu-Li)
>   should be called Hsia-Li (Xia-Li) because it uses both solar and
>   lunar. Even Nung-li (Nong-Li) is not good enough. As pointed by
>   Mr. Lin Wei, 24 Chieh-Ch'i (Jie-Qi) is more important for farmers.
>   However now most Chinese people (Hua-Jen or Hua-Ren) think Hsia- 
>   (Xia-) Li is Yin-Li or Nung- (Nong-) Li. As long as you understand
>   that ancient Chinese are so smart to use both sun and moon to make
>   calendar, it doesn't matter which term you use.

	IMO, YinLi is for fisherman and people live beside water,
	as you know the tide level and period is resulted of the
	moon.

Ray

-- 
  Raymond Kwok Yin Lung	kwok@cs.albany.edu
Spring has arrived at Albany. According to weather forecase, we
will have a warm Easter.  Happy Easter to everyone.
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Express Train --- Re: Train from Shanghai to Nanjing
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:11:00 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Apr16.192348.10057@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe ) writes:
>ghe@physics.orst.edu (Guangliang He) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr15.191751.12006@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe ) writes:
>>|> jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>>|>  
>>|> >3.  Is the route generally crowded (how long might I have to sleep in the 
>>|> >train station)?
>>|> 
>>|>      Very very very crowded!  If I were you, I would take the bus or cab. It
>>|>      only takes 2 to 3 hours.
>>|> 
>>It is almost 200 milds between Nanjing and Shanghai. There is no way you
>>can get from one to the other by bus or cab or train.
>
>	 There sure is way to do it. I did it when I was in china, and it took
>	 me less than 3 hours. (Trust me, it was only a truck, not a car)

   In 1987 , I had tahen an express train from Nanking to Shanghai .
   And there was also such a train from Shanghai to Beijing at the time .
   This kind of trains were strict in limiting the crowdness . Everyone
had a seat .
   Ting1 Suo1 ( a recently arrived Xiao3 Zi3 said ) many trains are 
airconditioned . 
   I don't think the trains were canceled .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: response to "cease fire" call (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.192702.2460@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>In article <12272@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu) writes:
>>
>> [sentences I am not proper to comment deleted] 
>>
>>5) At present time, while the CCP is still prosecuting dissidents in
>>   China, there is nothing unethical to seek permant residency in the
>>   US through political reason.
>  
>    Those who want to get a green card through political reasons can seek
>    political asylum if they have proof that they will be persecuted by CCP.
>    Don't abuse 6.4 blood.  The Bush Administrative Orders protect whom? 
>    Protect those in safety!  Not those 6.4 victims.  We 6.4 participants 
>    are strongly against this protection order.  I don't need such a 
>    protection even if I am a poor student.  Before I came,  many 
>    6.4 participants were talking about what happened here, "what are they
>    doing, those selfish countryfellows?"  

At least many of my friends showed their suspicions to the motivations of some 
of the moves .

>
>    I also learned that, when it came to lobby for the protection order,
>    Senates receiced a large number of calls or letters from CSSers; but when
>    it came to lobby them to support efforts aimed at enhancing human rights
>    in China, much fewer responses were received in the Senate.  Why the
>    difference?   The difference indicates some just want to abuse 6.4 blood.

At the time for the mentioned bills to be discussed ,
There was a poll in OSU and at least another university , giving some evidence to 
what you said here . 

>
>>6) CCP is not only responsible for 6/4 massacre, 
>  
>    completely correct!
>
>>but also for the current
>>   political repression in China 
>
>    completely correct!
>
>and for forcing CSSers staying in the US.
>>
>
>    I am not sure. 

I am not sure to the last point either . What I am sure is Most graduated chinese 
students stay here for economic reasons mainly . There is nothing wrong with it .
But if few of them want to use politics as a way to make it , by claiming others 
were in the same position as theirs , it is dirty .

>
>>Hao
>
>Shuren Zhang
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Keywords: calendar
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:34:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>[...]     Many peasants in China do not
>know Yang Li but they know Jie Qi very clearly.  Every year, they
>do the farm work according the Jie Qi.  If Jie Qi varies year by 
>year in Yin Li, how did they count them?  Can you tell me how to
>count Jie Qi?

	Believe me, they no Yin Li (luna calendar) and Jie Qi by heart.
	A lot of them don't even need calendar.  (That's from my experience
	from the south.)  Some people look at the tide and no the luna
	dates.  (U figure out why.  Just think about the cause of tide.)
	As for Jie Qi (24 "seasons"), there is a 2 sentence (8 verses) 
	song for it.  Knowing the song and the luna calendar (Yin Li),
	they have the complete calenda by heart.
	I remember seeing the song on the back-cover of THE Chinese 
	dictionary--Xin2 Hua2 Zi4 Dian3.  I used to be able to recite it;
	now I got to dig the dictionary out someday.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Li Peng getting a sense of humor.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:08:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.011928.18916@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, yayi@suphys.su.OZ.AU writes:
<In article <1992Apr6.001440.18076@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<>It's true.  He was a straight-A student and still speaks Russian fluently.
<
<	Dear Scottie, it seems you are a Lipeng fan, or a straight-A  believer.

Not at all.  And your stuff about "Li3 Ya1zi" comes straight from the mouths of
the moronic "June 4" propagandists.

<	On the other hand, even a straight-A one may be also nothing if not
<scum.

You're green with envy, aren't you?

					--Scott

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Flood Donation (Re: IFCSS NR3073:  IFCSS Summer Workshop on Biz..)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:59:10 GMT

In article <204824@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
<
<Sometimes, I wonder if 
<there are two Bo Xiong on the net. One who is very resourceful and one who 
<nasty...

No.  Unfortunately, we have only the nasty one.

					--Scott

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Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Xun2yang2 jiang1 tou2 ye4 song4 ke4 (Re: Pi2 Pa2 (was Re: The Reture of Evil))
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:09:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.220906.29008
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <CMM.0.90.2.702588178.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu>, jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
<In <1992Apr6.000817.17977@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
<writes:
<
<>Well, I checked my big dictionaries; and while Wieger does indeed claim that
<>_pi2_ and _pa_ were two different instruments, I have not turned up a single
<>instance of _pi2_ not followed by _pa_ (or of _pa_ not preceded by _pi2_).
<>Every source I've checked claims that the syllables have no meanings of their
<>own.
<
<Pi2 and Pa2 were indeed two different ancient Chinese musical
<instruments.

Do you have evidence of this?  I've checked several authoritative references
(_Ci2 yuan2_, _Ci2 hai3_, _Dai Kan-wa jiten_).

					--Scott

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ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:48:59 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Apr8.160937.54304@cc.usu.edu> slshf@cc.usu.edu writes:
.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> Senate Immigration and Refugee Committee has passed a bill
>> regarding Chinese nationals who came before 4/1/90. It allows
>> the Chinese under President's executive order to have green
>> card starting 7/1/93. The bill has been passed in the senate
>> committee without objection. This bill was initiated by
>> Democrat senate Kennedy.
>> Chinese nationals who are eligible to apply green card must...
>> (2). Have not stayed in China for more than 90 days during the time;
  
  I don't get it.  If these chinese nationals are truly 
  worried about
 being prosecuted, how can they return to china for 1 day
 or 90 days?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen)
Subject: Why you post to SCC?
Followup-To: <none>
Summary: <none>
Organization: University of Alberta
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:43:22 GMT

Nothing new here, assume nobody will read this junk, just post for fun.


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One of the netters posted an article some time ago, don't quite
remember what exactly he said, main idea: after he browsed thru 
several other newsgroups, he came back to SCC, and found SCC
had been one of rare newsgroups that are full  of personal attacks 
and unnecessary flames. (Pardon me if I interpreted him wrong).

Now,
  WHY DO YOU POST TO SOC.CULTURE.CHINA? 

Different people sure have different motivations. Some are just
feeling too lonely sitting at a terminal in the early morning
after a long and hard day's work, so they post just for fun. 
Some post because they get so excited when they get flamed, or 
when they themselves become the front-page story, or have their 
names listed in the 'Subject' line.  Others may be too serious, 
when they see some ideas that they think are totally wrong, they 
cannot help to come out correcting the wrong ones. Still others are 
just want to da3bao4bu4ping2, like one guy who did not want to get 
invovled, but posted something anyway, because he saw poor XiaoLin Li
had been telephonely-f**ked and email-s***wed.

There is nothing wrong if you post for your own reasons or even no 
reason, for newgroups are public places at your disposal (netiquette
rules apply, of course). But if you just want to draw audiences by 
fabricating some shocking news or sensatioal stories, then it is 
SOMETHING that is TERRIBLY WRONG.

Shui2Xiang4(casual thinking), no particular person is accused of this
kinda wrong acts.

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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tibet and ...
Keywords: nah
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:13:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <22535@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>In response to Lix :
>
   .......

>It's easy to overlook the hardships suffered by others, and highlight their
>supposed priviledges. I'm referring to events such as the suppression of the 
>revolt, the exodus of 80,000 Tibetans, the mass destruction of monasteries,
>the Cultural Revolution, the heavy military presence of the PLA, and the 
>continuing rounds of martial law. I suppose one can rationalize that much of the 
>same also befell the Chinese, but misery in company makes a weak argument. 
>If Chinese rule is popular, the Dalai Lama would have been forgotten long ago 
>and the Chinese government would not have to garrison Tibet like it does.
>As I've said personally to you, my original skepticism about Tibetan claims 
>changed after reading of the reception accorded the Dalai Lama's representatives 

The brutal rule of any government doesn't neccessary means the origin of
the idependant movement. Of course you can list a long long list of the
brutality of chinese government over Tibet since Qing Dynasity. But this
is not the main reason. At least we cann't say Britain and Canada have
brutal governments nowadays, yet the independent movement in North
Ireland and Quebec never stops. And the success of independence mainly
is because of the weakness of their ruling government. 

>in Tibet in the early 1980's, and various Western and Indian accounts ranging 
>from frivolous traveller tales to serious academic studies.  You are free 
>to dismiss every critical account of Chinese rule in Tibet as a part of a 
>giant lamaist plot, but I find them more credible than PRC accounts.
>
We have seen many serious studey by scholars and horrible reports by the
media. But they don't justfy the independent movement, only for some
useless argument just like we have now in SCC.

>I'm sorry you misinterpret this anecdote as my assessment of the 
>war effort, which it was not. I was recounting Japanese behavior 
>indicating the hesitancy of militarists to accept surrender to China. 
>
>Joe Huang

Even today Japan would rather bow to America than to any other Asian
countries. We all know why

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: TW.HJ8@isumvs.iastate.edu (CYW)
Subject: Inappropriate Jokes
>item: soc.culture.china 53576,  Wed, 8 Ap,  15 lines.    (52 items left)
>from: xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
>subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:04:07 GMT


>Many people have asked me the source of the news. It was
>published in World Journal on 4/4.

>One netter has verified this news from the senate. The bill
>has been passed and is now the Public Law #101-649.

>Good luck.

>Xiao Li

It has gone too far!  Neither Chinese nor Americans have the tradition of
April Fools MONTH.  Some netters need to clean up their acts.  I wish there
was a way to keep these untrue "news" from being posted here.  It is
everyone's interest to keep this group trust worthy.

Public Law #101-649 is passed by the 101th Congress, the current Congress is
102nd.  Apparently it was JOKE.  Many people care about the future of Chinese
Student, some may need to make career decisions based on the current law and
regulations.  This kind of JOKEs surely can create problems and stress for
some people. Is the person who manufactured the rumors willing to show up in
court in a liability suit?

CLEAN UP YOUR ACTS!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe )
Subject: Re: Train from Shanghai to Nanjing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:48 GMT

tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:

>It seems like domestic air carrier is notorious for some reason.  But I
>took it once.  Sure the plane was small, airport was smaller than a bus
>terminal in US, and the worse part is that service was bad.  However,
>I don't expect service to be good at train stations either. 

   You are absolutely right!

>So can anyone tell me what's so bad about taking domestic air carrier as
>opposed to taking trains?

   Nervous! For several times, I was told to write down what I need to
   say to my family when I was on the china domestic air. I don't think
   you need to do the same thing in the train or bus.
From: srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is it the fault of those killed?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:15:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <9204120746.AA10132@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local> doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc) writes:
>
>      When you exercise "freedom of speech", what did you say? Did you say
>   CCP is a glorious party? Did you say I love CCP? Did you say those
>   political prisoners jailed simply because of their own fault? Then
>   CCP of course did not arrest you, instead, CCP should give you a medal
>   or something.   
>
>
>      Did you report some "FUCKED-UP" professors to you party boss?

     These "FUCKED-UP" professors are small party bosses. 
   
>
>|> 
>|> +|> 
>|> +|> <3. maybe CCP owe your parents something, but that's the deal between
>|> +|> <   CCP and your parents.  The issue is: did YOU return what you owe
>|> +|> <   to CCP as yet?
>|> +|> 
>
>     Let's talk about you, how about you? Do you own CCP something? Oh,yes,
>  maybe you still get salary from ..., maybe you are still writing report
>  to ...  I simply guess.
>

     Shannon was homeless after he had a fight with a some party bosses.
   No salary at all.
 
>|> 
>|> +|> 
>|> +|> <4. China become democratic first, or you go home to join the construction
>|> +|> <   of a democratic system for China first?
>|> +|> 
>|> 	To fix the Chinese problems, you need to go back to China; to
>|> 	simply express your concerns on China, you don't have to go back.
>|> 	But, don't use your "concerns" as an exchange for your green cards.
>
>     I don't have green card, and I am going to back China. But certainly
>   not because I own something to CCP. While I am here, I will continue
>   to complain and express my concern on China, and do something about
>   it -- fight for a democratic China, fight for the change of China.
> 

     You are good and admirable.  We don't object getting a green card.
We are only against 6.4 blood abuse.  On the nignt when the "martial law"
was announced I spent the night at TAM.  On the night of 6/4/89, I went
Qing1Long2Qiao2 to block armed vehicles.  Those memories I shall never
forget. 

 

>|> 
>|> 	You students caused the killing!! You did not give them any additional
>|> 	choice!
>
>     No wonder! CCP kills student because CCP has to, because students does
>   /did not give CCP a choice. Is this the basic theory of CCP apologists??
>


Of course, CCP had to.  Otherwise they will lose their "Jiang1shan1"
(river and hills).  But we have to get bach the rivers and hills which
belong to the people.