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From: mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka)
Subject: GRIMOIR
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:37:14 GMT
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Date Entered: 11-13-92 01:30
In browsing thru some of the material on one of the occult oriented BBS's
I belong to, I camne across the following:

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                      The Most Holy Grimoire.
 
    This Grimoire, which contains the Secret of Secrets not yet revealed,
 was made by the Supreme King O.T.O. Baphomet X  M... himself.


                       Regarding the Temple.

           1.  East     ...............    Altar
           2.  West     ...............    Tablet of god to be invoked
           3.  North    ...............    Priestess {or Priest}
           4.  South    ...............    Fire with thurible. etc.
           5.  Center   ...............    Four-sided Stone with:

             Images of the God
             Most Great, Ineffable, Unspoken Secret
             and with sword, bell, oil
             The Virgin.  Place the image beside the Book Thelema.

  
                    Regarding the First Ceremony.
 
 Let it done be as Book 671 has said, but first let the Virgin be purified
 with the words: "Asperge me..." etc., and put off her garments with the
 words: "Per sanctum Mysterium," etc. Thus is the Pyramid raised.  Then the
 Virgin purifies the priest, and removes his vestments as is above ordained.

    (Here the virgin states the orations of this work of god).

 
                Regarding the Ceremony of the Thurible.
 
    Let the virgin kindle the fire and the priest with her hands, saying:
 
 "Accendat in nobis Dominus ignem sui amoris et flamman aeternae caritatis."
 
 
                 Regarding the Ceremony of Dedication.
 
    The virgin invokes the image of the God Most Huge, Ineffable, Secret, not
 to be spoken of, with these words. --- "Tu qui es prater omnia...x.t.l."
 Neither does she relinquish the other image.
  
 
                     Regarding the Final Sacrifice
 
    Then the priest breaks the silence with the words of the holy versicle of 
 the particular god being invoked
    He enters the Holy of Holies.
    Beware; beware; beware.
    Two who are become ONE sing without interuption, and in high voice,
 the words of the holy versicles.
 
 
 MDNM                  Regarding the Blessing of the Blessing
 
 Having spent the dew, the woman says these words "Quia patris et filii s.s." 
 etc.
 
 
                      Regarding the Final Ceremony
  
 Let it be done as it has been said in Book 671.
 
 MDSU  MDSD  MDNM 

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Is this something out of the Equinox written by Crowley describing a rite
of Sex Magic? Also...book 671...I take it that it refers to the books of
thelema???

Any input would be appreciated.



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From: spork@bluemoon.rn.com (Guy Royse)
Subject: Stupid question
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:51:21 EST

Why is everyone so intent on the end of the world?  Sure... I ahve the 
feeling like many that something big is gonna happen but why does it have 
to be the end of the world.  I think that something big is going to happen 
and that is about it.... no worlt tilting.. not fire form the sky.. not 
end of life the universe and everything.  

It always seemed to me that the world was a big system that runs in 
cycles.  If it cycles then where does this idea of a big ending come from. 
And even if the world does end we are all spirits anthow so it's somewhat 
of a moot point.

Just my 2 cents (now ready for flames)

Spork!

 This is from
     spork@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women vs Men
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:02:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
: >
: >Hm. I think Josh and Amanda should address this themselves - if they
: >feel that such a judgemental attack is even worth a response.
: >
: 
: Oh, right and your not judgemental are you?

Certainly - I freely admit it. Maybe that is why I can recognize such
apparent attitudes in others.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Opinions needed on the future...
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:44:35 GMT

In article <BxL95G.MML@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <BxF2Mx.Lz2@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>>Hmmm...sounds sort of similar to the plot of the Darksword Trilogy by 
>>Margaret Weis/Tracy Hickman.  It seems that all of the magical beings (including
>>humans that could use magic) left the Earth for another place (around 1500AD,
>>I think) via this path that Merlin had discovered.  This place was the origin
>
>um, that would have been around 500AD or so, according to historical data
>revolving around when the Celtic kings, who were later interpreted as 
>'Arthur op Uther' (Arthur, son of Uther), ruled.
>
>

Except for the fact that some of the Twelve (or was it Nine by then...don't 
have the book with me) include historical figures from the Renaissance.
(I think da Vinci & Shakespeare are two...maybe it was Bacon...)

Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ.
jdh@math.psu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: initiation or looser.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:50:57 GMT

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: In article <1992Oct30.075300.4166@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: > 
: > Why should an initiation matter? If it used to mark a turning point in ones
: > life, then it is useful. An initiation, just for the sake of initiation, is
: > an empty ritual.
: 
: I always understood an "initiation" to refer to an experience that might or
: might not coincide with a ritual, either group or solitary. In that sense, an
: initiation certainly is not empty (I'm not going into what the experience
: *is*). If you are arging that an initiation ritual conferred by a group does
: not always lead to an initiation experience, that is another matter, though it
: does seem to be what a group *believes* happens.

There are indeed many initiation rituals/experiences that are empty and thus
meaningless. It doesn't matter if it means something to the group, or not.
The initiation is for the individual, that is the only person to whom such
an event must have meaning.

Bill
From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:30:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

wincerw@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer) writes:

->    Actually, I believe--but I'm not sure--that the Mayan calender
-> does not stop at 2012.  Instead I think that it starts into a new
-> age at (or around) this time.  I vaguely remember hearing that
-> every age is supposed to be marked by some extraordinary events.
-> I think that this approaching one is supposed to bring forth a new
-> race of human(oid)s and a mass re-awakening of magick.

I'm not sure what is "supposed" to happen, but the local references say
that, yes, the new cycle of the Mayan calendar will begin on Dec. 23,
2012. (Archaeologists disagree over the exact date. I'm sure that with
sufficient bull-headedness you could place it on Christmas -- not that
that date is any more precise.) That will be cycle number 13. (13th
since what? I dunno. Creation of the universe is popular for starting
calendars.)

The cycle is about 400 years long; cycle 12 began in 1618, give or take
a few calendar corrections. (Actually, the cycle is exactly 400 * 360
days; that particular Mayan calendar was not Sun-based, so it had no
leap-days.) 

I'm not terribly expert on Mayan beliefs, but my impression was that
they had a cyclical view of history; events tend to repeat in larger and
smaller cycles. Anything cool happen in 1618? Or 1224? The classical
Mayan civilization did collapse more or less around 830... (Well, it
took several decades, and the northern parts of the Yucatan hung on
longer.)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:16:26 GMT


Bill (and others):

It sounds like our friend has been reading "The Dooms Day Machine" by
William Aigensloss Smith (I don't remember the publisher).  Smith was
a machinist who thought that the scientists were nuts, and came up with
a "Dooms Day Machine"  where in order to explain magnetic stripes on 
the ocean floor, the earth flipped rather than the magnetic poles reversing.

His Mechinism was Glacial Buildup during a global warming.  

And you can indeed get glacial buildup during global warming at the poles
during the early stages of a warming.  The temp rises far faster at the
equator, and thus puts more moisture into the system, more moisture means
more snow.  At least until the polar climate gets warm enough so that the
extra snow melts rather than accumulates...

--Uncle Wolf

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Re: AFRICAN RELIGION santeria
Summary: Appropriate?   
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:26:06 GMT

In article <BxIq5r.JAI@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>                       AFRICAN RELIGION santeria
>The religion or practice of what has been commonly called
>"Santeria" implies an Afro-Cuban practice exclusively.
>
>Palo have died taking with them their secrets to their grave.
>Realizing the awesome results that it can wage on the unsuspecting
>practitioner himself, let alone at the victim to whom it was
>directed, many of these "real paleros" preferred to ever pass on
>their secrets.
>
"Ever pass on their secrets?" hmmm. .Maybe you meant "never". .But NO, 
surely not. I mean. .if transliterating ache instead of ashe is so Critical
a mistake; then leaving off an "n" to get ever instead of never would be
the height of ignorance and would show a complete invalidation of any of
the offendee's sources, training, education, or experiences. ...according
to you, that is. ..espeecially since there are no accent marks and we 
don't know whether you're speaking in English, French, spanish, or Basque.

Pardon me for even mentioning it. I apologize. You couldn't have meant 
never. 

				-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
				bunny ge'rouge
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women vs Men
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:01:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
: In article <1992Oct30.070624.2958@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes...
: >oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
: > 
: >I doubt if he worries about it in the least. Why should he? I see no
: >need for him, or anyone else, to attempt to please everyone else with
: >their posting style.  If you wish to criticize - criticize the content
: >of his postings. If there is no content - then ignore the posting and
: >get on with your life. Why waste effort over nothing? 
: 
: Seems to me you're doing exactly what you're preaching people should 
: not do.

You could be right. You will have to decide for yourself whether it is
criticism - or simply advice.

: Anyway, I'll post whatever I please. 

Far be it from me to attempt to stop you. I certainly waste enough time
responding to relatively meaningless posts. It is a habit I should probably
attempt to modify.

Bill
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:20:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bx5s2y.Bun@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, wincerw@assist.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer) writes:
> 
>      Just wondering, but does anyone out there feel uneasy?  I mean within the
> last two months or so, I've been getting very strong feelings that things just
> aren't going too well.  It feels like something big's going to happen and
> relatively soon.  It sort of feels like things are falling apart.  I guess I
> mean that I wouldn't be surprised to find out that little things barely 
> noticable are sort of going against the majority's concept of reality and that
> this is just going to get bigger and bigger.  Is there anyone else that has
> been feeling this way.  I've already met a couple that have also been getting  
> these "feelings" lately, but I'd like to know if this is going on elsewhere. 
> I know this probably sounds really stupid to most of you, but if you have
> been getting this uneasiness lately, I'm sure you consider this a rather serious
> post. 
>                                                                      --Bill   

Well, I've been feeling that the fundies are going to take over the political
system and crash the party for those of us in the US, if that's what you mean.
Bush's loss has alleviated this feeling slightly, but I am sure it's just a
matter of time.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Subject: Re: I don't Understand
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 22:43:15 GMT

In article <6NOV199212205662@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes...
>
>>1) There are no stupid questions.
>> 
>>hiho
>>mark ce peterson
>
>+----------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
>Whoever told you that LIED.  Horribly.
>Yours etc.,
>SubGenius

Correction, there is one and only one stupid question "Should I ask this
Question?"

However, there are many, many, many STUPID repititions.
"Mister Newton, did that apple really fall on your head?" for the 30th time
by the same Victorian Reporter..

<Chortle>

--Uncle Wolf
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Of giving up and getting on..(was Women vs Men)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:25:03 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


 n8940681@henson.cc.wwu.edu (R) writes:
> 
> Children tend to keep you in the same place.  If you want to 
> explore an avenue of spirituality that makes staying in one 
> place inconvenient or impossible, then the above tendency 
> could mean you wont want children.

A lot of people seem to take this statement as true and obvious, but I
disagree completely.  In terms of personal change, my baby lit a fire 
under me.  Everything in my life changed completely in a space of a month.
(I'm still trying to find a way to write this up properly -- if I ever
get it right, I might post it.)  The baby meant a complete reassessment of  
everything that I do.  I can't even do simple things without thinking, do
I want to teach the baby this? 

If I had to take one key word out of everything that I've read or heard
about magick, the word is WILL.  Before any of these rituals or studies
makes any sense at all, you have to be able to focus your will.  And to 
be able to focus it, you have to know what it is.  The baby has been
a magnifying glass for me.  I have approx. one hour in the evening and
my lunch hour during the day to myself now because the rest of the time
is spent either at work or with the baby.  What do I do with that time?
Well, I don't watch Murphy Brown any more, though I kinda like her.
That kind of stuff got whittled away.  Do I spend any less time doing
*real* things, like studying my interests?  Maybe a little less, but I 
doubt it.  I spend less time renting videos.  What I do with my free 
time gets scrutinized.  If it isn't worth it, it goes.  I can't afford 
to bop around watching the soaps and filling social obligations.  The 
result is being far more focused than I was before.  You can always try 
to focus in, but for making change, nothing beats not having a choice.
:-)

Dawn (very very far from the place she was this time last year.)
"Hello death, goodbye Avenue A.  I'm getting tired of waiting, tired of
being afraid.  Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
So I sing hello death, goodbye Avenue A."  "Folk Song" by Bongwater.
From: X-Caiver@iphase.infoserv.com (X-Caiver)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.infoserv.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: How very strange.
Date: 08 Nov 92  17:53:46 EST


I must say that that was a very interesting post. I thouroughly enjoyed it...

Don X-caiver Pattee
(dig the initials: DRXP, Dr X, or RX as in medicine.. it has to be a sign!)
if anybody can tell me what all the little things that come at the bottom of these messages are supposed to be for i would aprecitate it.



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From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: Of giving up and getting on..
Keywords: Re: Of giving up and getting on..
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:18:35 GMT

Hi -

    Peggy, Dawn, Shava and Colin have all given good statements 
about being open to whatever happens to you, be it childbirth,
parenthood, or work. One of my favorite subjects/practices is
Raja Yoga, which is quite simply put mindfulness. There is not
anything which is directed that does not stem from this practice.
It can be applied any time or any where. To not apply it is to 
sleep with your eyes open, or more simply put to be ruled by the
patterns of your habits.

   Embracing the now is just that, any now. For instance: I worked
on an auto assembley line for 5 years before going into a professional
career. I did the same job 440 times a day, for two years straight,
during that time I practiced mindfulness. I learned that some memories
are stored in the body. That aging is to some extent the result
of tuning out parts of yourself, or forgetting them and once isolated
those parts die.........so you too die, in pieces. I learned "how to 
walk," how to do without thinking (in order to move extremely quickly),
and like Siddartha how to wait. I also learned what it was like to 
live in a blue collar world and the hopes and fears of those that felt
constrained to live within it's boundaries. I also learned economy of 
movement, how we learn and plan and about charisma. When I missed work
it took three people to do my job, and I read ~250 pages a day while 
working. I'm glad that I experienced it and have used that experience
in many key ways in my "professional" career, especially when programming.

   I think that mindfulness practiced under any conditions leads to
personal growth and magickal growth as well. Constraints exist only
within your own mind. Not having a past is useful sometimes, (a nod
to Don Juan) but there is no single formulae to apply when choosing 
whether or not to learn, or how one may learn. The choice is in my
opinion simply one of sleeping or waking. Thanks.


Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: herb books
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<1992Nov10.190210.26402@shearson.com>
	<1992Nov12.222912.5407@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:18:58 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.222912.5407@samba.oit.unc.edu> shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu 
(Shava Nerad Averett) writes:

>   >In article 92Nov10080144@bailey.cpac.washington.edu, 
>   >joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

>   >> In article <1992Nov10.050321.25998@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
>   >>shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu

>   >> >No american cultures
>   >> >used the tobacco plant recreationally before europeans arrived here, 

>   >> the old mexicans did ('true history of the discovery and conquest of 
>   >> new spain', bernal diaz del castillo, various editions). 

>   OK, I'll have to look up castillo, if I have time.  

you should. it's a great book. he's usually referred to as diaz.

>                                                   However, are y'all sure
>   you are not differentiating between recreational/addictive and ceremonial/
>   sacred use of the herb?

yes.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: vaz@prelude.cc.purdue.edu (jim cavera)
Subject: needed...
Keywords: magick, crowley, eskimo, breakfast
Reply-To: vaz@prelude.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:30:49 GMT

While trying to grab the mwt files on the slopoke server, something
got lost in the shuffle.  If whoever is in charge of that sort of 
thing could e-mail me some file bits, I would be eternally grateful.
needed are chapters X through XV and chapters XLVI through LXIX of
the mwt series.  In case you didn't catch it in the header, the 
address is:
            vaz@prelude.cc.purdue.edu

Hasta,
       Jim



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From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:56:03 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <1dpr0eINN88h@gap.caltech.edu> danlip@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Adam Lipofsky) writes:
+In article <1992Nov9.191551.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
+>In article <1992Nov8.124418.27215@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

[Stuff deleted]

+>Well, some scientists are claiming that global warming *does* enlarge the
+>polar cap. The increased warmth increases snow at the poles, and locks more
+>moisture at the poles, increasing their size. This can even lead to an Ice
+>Age, folks!
+>
+>Please don't ask me for their credentials, I don't even remember where I 
+>read this. I don't think I believe it, either.
+>
+Global warming does increase polar snow fall, and so could increase
+the size of the icecaps.  However, it also increases the melting rate,
+and it is unclear which is the bigger increase. (not that global warming
+isn't a problem even if they cancel out).

Not necessarily, the primary myth of the Greenhouse Effect is that the Ice
Caps are melting to raise the sea-level. They may be melting, but

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RISE IS DUE TO THERMAL EXPANSION !!!

Hence, it could be entirly possible that the Ice Caps could increase in size
during such a period.

As for the Pole Shift, there are numerous theories for this. Generally they
include Meteor Strikes, unstable orbits and other freak accidents. I believe
that they originated with Edgar Cayce.

[Stuff deleted]

+But thanks for a wonderfully humorous theory anyways.
+
+--danlip

Dante.