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From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp)
Subject: Re: Want to meet a gay person
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:04:59 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <BxIMrB.LDM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck) writes:
>In article <1992Nov09.174712.15723@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu> eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp) writes:
>>Ummm. . .Thomas?  I think that now would be a good time to point out that I am 
>>a *heterosexual* man.  I still maintain that a good majority of het men are 
>>assholes.
>
>Some of you may remember me asking this before, but I never got an answer...
>Why do you read this .net, if you are heterosexual?
>
>And by the way, Ethan, I agree with you.
>
>Aeleck

Perhaps because I've seen too many good people destroy themselves out of 
hatred of what they've become?
Perhaps because I can't stand to see the shit one of my best friends has to 
put up with every day?
Perhaps because I'm sick of a perfectly normal behavior being called sick and 
perverse?
Perhaps because I am a fanatical person who thinks everyone should be trated 
equal?
And, last but not least, maybe because homosexuals are more fun to be with?
|-]

Because I support homosexuality, and this is a good place to stay up to date 
on the issues, and every now and then I get to flame a Fundie or something, 
and I know this is a run on sentence....
|-]
I'll blab more if you want me to


-- 
                     /\  *STRAIGHT BUT NOT NARROW*
Ethan Knipp         /P \      |        ***PANIC NOW-AVOID THE RUSH***
The Unbeliever     ------     |   "It is not I who am crazy, it is I who am
eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu |    mad!"- Ren, The Ren and Stimpy Show
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov (Jim Wylde)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:12:58 GMT

In article <2624@cronos.metaphor.com> lienhard@daydreamer.metaphor.com (Steve Lienhard) writes:
>
>You were sounding like the voice of reason, then the image was shattered
>with that terrible cliche "I respected those people just doing their
>thing but keeping it private, where it should be."
>
>If gays have to keep their sexuality private, then heteros should too.
>This means that heteros must not place a photo of their spouse on their
>desk, nor should they wear a wedding ring (gays still cannot legally get
>married).  They should not identify the sex of their hot date last night,
>nor should anyone listening infer that it was a member of the opposite sex
>(remember, sexual orientation is a private thing, no?)  Isn't this
>absurd?  Of course it is.  Why should gays keep their sexuality
>private when straights do not?


*Ahem*  You forgot one little thing here....  Het's shouldn't be allowed
to do sick disgusting sexual things like Kiss or hold hands in public 
places.  What about men and women dancing together?

Jim Wylde

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <BxJM2n.7Gy@access.digex.com> chevron@access.digex.com (chevron) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.214057.6509@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>>Aeleck asks:
>
>Pardon me for leaping in here rather unannounced as well, but . . .
>
>I agree with Gary.  I'm another lurking het reading this (and
>related) newsgroups because I am appalled by how homosexuals
>are being treated and discussed as somehow "less" than other
>so-called "normal" people, as recently demonstrated by the Colorado
>voting results.  I'm reading to educate myself and learn about
>other ideas and the people who express them.
>
>The more I know, the better prepared I am to exert what small
>influence _I_ can, where I can, to see that equality in both
>spirit and letter of the law is preserved.  And perhaps I can
>influence a few hearts along the way as well.
>
>I wish all of you who face these inequalities every day the
>luck and strength you need to see it through.  Don't give
>up.  The wheels turn slowly, but they do turn.  Colorado
>won't last forever.  I have faith in us as a species.
>
>Regards, 
>
>                                           --chevron--
>
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Chevron.... thanks.  You said what I wanted to say and with a hell of a lot 
more eloquence.

-- 
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The Unbeliever     ------     |   "It is not I who am crazy, it is I who am
eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu |    mad!"- Ren, The Ren and Stimpy Show
Xref: sparky alt.homosexual:237 alt.transgendered:16 alt.sex:35889 sci.psychology:4361
From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:47:34 GMT
Organization: The Armory

Thomas Okken, you are slightly full of shit. Much of your post was
supportive, but telling people they have developed their deepest
yearnings and desires from disliking the societal norms is not
reasonable. Gay people do not know why they are gay, and you don't
either. It might be inborn, but other early things are equally
inaccessible. The show no psychological abnormality in their level of
neurosis or adjustment, compared to heterosexuals. The American
Psychiatric Association has removed homosexuality as a disorder. They
did it more than two decades ago! They couldn't find anything wrong
with them! I don't know if there are shithead psychiatrists in the
netherlands, but they would be laughed out of their medical society
here for such crap. Gays simply are attracted to people of the same
sex. They have usually known it all their lives, if they think about
it. It is not changeable. It is not a decision. Other species of
mammals and birds have about the same incidence of homosexuality. It
just happens.
- Steve
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: glenn@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GLENN ROBERT ALAN)
Subject: Amendment 2
Summary: Rights of citizens
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:10:57 GMT

What CFV (Colorado for Family (??!) values) has done in Colorado 
is a legacy of lies and defamation of hundreds of thousands of 
people.  They accused us of wanting special rights, but in the 
end it was they who ended up getting special rights, namely the 
right of heteros to discriminate against gays.  If you don't
believe in gay rights, campaign against them in YOUR area.  A
constitutional prohibition of gay rights (right to gay-bash) everywhere
is wrong!

There are 3 anti-discrimination laws in this state, and all of them
are all-inclusive.  The phrase 'sexual orientation' is used, nowhere
are the words 'homosexual' or 'gay' to be found.  The laws give
everyone equal protection.  No special exception made for us.  And
we can still be fired or evicted for doing bad work or being disruptive
residents, as it should be.

CFV spread rampant lies about homosexuality.  We were called pedophiles,
sex-craving maniacs, psychopaths, among other things.  We have been
wrongfully accused of recruiting children, imposing our views and
lifestyles on churches, schoolchildren, etc.  Truth is, not I nor
any gay people I know would do such things.  There are, however, a lot
of heterosexuals that would.  Look at the number of rapists and fathers
who molest their daughters.

This must be STOPPED!  A national campaign must be started to prevent
these horrible things, there will be more.  A fierce campaign must
begin to repeal the amendment in Colorado in 1994 (if not sooner).
The cities of Boulder and Denver are suing the state, the case may
go to the US Supreme Court.  Write letters to President (-Elect) Bill 
Clinton, urging him to speak out and do something about this new kind
of discrimination.  Our state (and possibly nation) are heading in a
scary new direction.

-Robert Glenn
Student, Engineering

My opinions are not the opinions of CU boulder.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 19:07:07 MST
From: <ASPDL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
 <1992Nov6.064022.3047@mercury.cair.du.edu>
 <1992Nov8.000158.21489@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

GLENN ROBERT ALAN writes:
>>The Grand Canyon is in Arizona.

>Who Cares???

Perhaps Mr. Alan missed the original thread, but one poster from NY decided to
boycott the Grand Canyon in COLORADO over this issue.  Arizonans care!!  This
state has been boycotted over the MLK issue, which will hopefully end since we
passed prop. 300.  We don't need people to boycott ARIZONA over an issue in
COLORADO.  Personally, I try not to be homophobic, and I'd like to see tourist
dollars come into my state from any and all minorities.  To the original poster
 I would suggest that you take a geography class.  To Mr. Alan I would suggest
that you either follow the thread of the converstion, or if you did follow it
but didn't care, realize that people DO CARE.  I've been skeptical of being a
heterosexual in favor of gay rights, mostly because I don't want to be accused
of being gay especially by the 'out!'  crowd (hell of a way to get support,
eh?)  Now I think I will forget the whole idea, not because you guys are gay,
but because (at least the people I've read here) you guys are STUPID!  I expect
o be flamed by someone saying "we don't need your support anyway."  Someone
else I would hope will say that you need all the support you can get.  I, on
the other hand will say, forget it, jerk.  If you won't support my state's
economy by over an issue in another state because it doesn't effect you, I
won't give a shit about your rights because the issue doesn't effect me.

As a disclaimer, I will state that this post is an angry reaction to certain
morons, and that I do still stand for equal rights for all human beings
regardless of race, creed, color, sex, or sexual orientation, but I think
people ought to at least get a grasp of what is going on around them, learn a
little about their own country, and not treat person A like shit because
person B is an asshole...
From: lienhard@daydreamer.metaphor.com (Steve Lienhard)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:45:05 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

>>>Why do you read alt.homosexual if you are not homosexual?

>The more I know, the better prepared I am to exert what small
>influence _I_ can, where I can, to see that equality in both
>spirit and letter of the law is preserved.  And perhaps I can
>influence a few hearts along the way as well.

Here here!! The fact that heterosexuals read this newsgroup is why
I am more inclined to post to it rather than that OTHER newsgroup,
alt.politics.homosexuality.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
From: bruceg@access.digex.com (Bruce Garrett)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:06:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.004142.378@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
 
>Furthermore, I would like to ask this question...If homosexuals are
>being discriminated against then how come the median income for the
>group is far ABOVE that for heterosexual males.

       I've heard this claim made many times before...Gays have More
money (and usually in the same breath they claim we have tons more sex...)
then everyone else.  It's beginning to get on my nerves.  Ok, listen up
please...

      >>>   Which One Of You Out There Is Getting My Share!   <<<

       Just fess up and send me the balance and I won't be angry with
you...

-Bruce Garrett
(Living in a basement apartment and driving a beat-up '79 Ford wagon
 with his Less Then Median Homosexual Income...)








Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214057.6509@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>Why do you read the comic strips if you are not a comic strip character?

Because I like to laugh.  Does this mean you like to laugh at us?
<Don't jump me, this is not a flame.  I'm merely responding to his arguments>

>Why do you look at the planets and stars if you are not a planet or star?

Because it's kinda awe-inspiring.  Does this mean we are awe-inspiring?
Gee, thanks.

>Why do you read novels if you are not a novelist?

Because if I did not, it would put the novelists out of work.  Make of
this one as you may...  :)

>Why do you go jogging if you are not an athlete?

I'm not an athlete, nor do I go jogging.  So there :P 

>
>In other words:
>Come now.  Get serious.  Why do I read this if I'm heterosexual?  I'm...
>
>INTERESTED!!!

INTERESTED!!! INTERESTED in what?  In homosexuals?  In some of the problems
we face daily?  (bigotry, discrimination, etc...)  Or is it something more?
Are you thinking that maybe you have homo/bi sexual tendancies?

Do you see what I'm confused about yet????

>Gary.Saunders
>@bbs.oit.unc.edu

Aeleck                 /                  /  
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    /  \    /  \    /   /  \    /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /\__/   /   /\__/   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
   \__/\__/\___/__/\__/\___/__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick

            "Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado" 
                                       -Melinda Shore(shore@tc.cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jrs2@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jim Smith)
Subject: Prostate Gentrification
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:30:27 GMT

Are there any long term ramifications (not a pun) to abbrasion/stimulation
of the prostate -- something that might show up when I'm old and decrepit?
I'm not sure this is something my doctor would know.   

Jim.

/////////// jrs2@cornell.edu //////////// 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: Re: Nirvana
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:45:35 GMT


>You sire are an WRONG!  
>People like you who start these vicious rumors hurt the gay civil rights
>movement!

*AHEM*
Excuse me, here, but.....  I didn't start ANY rumors.  This information was
given to me from The Sysop of Risqilly BBS out here in Chicago.  He got it 
off the Sysops conference on GayComm (one of the national bbs services)

Now, as far as *HURTING* the gay civil rights movement, please open your mouth
a bit wider.  Your gonna need to put both feet in it.

Let me introduce myself.  My name is Jim Wylde.  I live in Chicago.  For the past
2 1/2 years (until real recently) I ran the GAY METAL SOCIETY, a Chicago based 
oganization for gay/lesbian rock n rollers.  In that time I have worked very closely
with both the gay community and the rock scene locally and nationally to promote 
good relations between the two worlds, and to help people become aware of the fact
that WE are not just disco-loving drag queens, and that many of todays rockers are
not quite as straight as they seem.

When I was in school at the University of Illinois at Chicago, I was one of the joint
'presidents' (for lack of a better word) of the Pink Triangle Association (formerly the
UIC GAYLA.  While I was there, my work was instrumental in A) getting sexual orientation
added to the Universitys Equal Opportunity/anti-discrimination policy, and B) assisting 
in getting the Hate Crimes Statistic Act passed here in Illinois.  I was also involved with
some people from University of Chicago, Northwestern University, and the Illinois Gay and
Lesbian Task Force on forming a colition of Chicago area gay/lesbian student groups.

I am currently putting together a band of openly gay members, and working with Helot Revolt
(SF/LA oopenly gay heavy metal band).  I am also working on a network of gay and lesbian
musicians.

>Sorry about my harsh reaction, but God these people and thier gossip.

Things that come from Gaycomm sysops are usually reliable.  But AP is wrong sometimes too,
and so am I.  I apologize to the members of Nirvana for my mistake.  I have no objection to 
being told that I am wrong on something, and I appreciate you telling me.  However, I would 
reccomend that, in the future, you might want to consider waiting untill after your period 
is passed before randomly slamming someone you don't know.


Harder,
	Louder,
		FASTER!

Jim Wylde

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:31:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.205708.28426@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
>My point is that Colorado doesn't hate. Colorado voters voted this
>amendment in because we feel that homosexuals shouldn't have special
>rights.

Articulate these special rights that homosexuals are asking
for, if you would.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: GAYS
Summary: Freedom of Speech is More important than peoples feelings
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:07:45 GMT

In article <62.1585.uupcb@synapse.org> steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) writes:
>
>MB>  Neo Nazis (among others) DO have the right to peddle their destructive
>MB>drivel.  And some bigots would be perfectly happy to be treated normally,
>MB>so long as they practice their bigotry on their own time.  And, to be fair,
>MB>"harm" is interpreted differently by different people.
>
>....AND TO BE FAIR, bigots kill or cause undue harm OR preach to others
>that are weak minded and looking for a scapegoat for whatever woes
>they are suffering (real or imagined).
>Gays and lesbians are being bashed by bigots.  You don't hear them
>saying:  "Gee, why don't we go out and bash some straights!"

  Pure numerical advantage of straights would assure that such actions
would be short lived at best.  I'm sure some gays would be perfectly
happy to do violent bodily harm to fundies, so some of them would
actually be happy to "bash some straights!"


>Unless you yourself are a bigot you will see the injustice caused
>by these despicable bigots.  Would you like to live in a society
>that has rampant censorship and discrimination?  If you think that
>it would stop at censoring and discriminating against gays, 
>THINK AGAIN!

  You have obviously completely missed my point.  Someone posted that
giving bigots the ability to speak freely was wrong.  MY POINT WAS THAT
FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BOTH GOOD AND BAD, SHOULD BE PROTECTED.  Therefore
I do not want to live in a society "rampant" with "censorship and
discrimination".  You see, if censorship would not stop at bigots, it
might very well not stop for us.


>If you think that the harm I mentioned could be imagined, what about
>the harm the Jews suffered under Hitler....they were also bashed (!!)

  And denied access to public speech.  I don't want the bigots to WIN,
I just want everybody to be able to hear them.  Needless to say, a
society in which people are denied security in their physical person
is also one in which the freedom to speak has been abridged.

>HOW can that be interpereted any differently by anyone who is rational?

  Again, I think you missed my point.

                         Bri...



Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: chevron@access.digex.com (chevron)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.214057.6509@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>Aeleck asks:
>
>> Some of you may remember me asking this before, but I never got an answer...
>> Why do you read this .net, if you are heterosexual?
>
>Which I rephrase as:
>Why do you read alt.homosexual if you are not homosexual?
>
>
>In other words:
>Come now.  Get serious.  Why do I read this if I'm heterosexual?  I'm...
>
>INTERESTED!!!

Pardon me for leaping in here rather unannounced as well, but . . .

I agree with Gary.  I'm another lurking het reading this (and
related) newsgroups because I am appalled by how homosexuals
are being treated and discussed as somehow "less" than other
so-called "normal" people, as recently demonstrated by the Colorado
voting results.  I'm reading to educate myself and learn about
other ideas and the people who express them.

The more I know, the better prepared I am to exert what small
influence _I_ can, where I can, to see that equality in both
spirit and letter of the law is preserved.  And perhaps I can
influence a few hearts along the way as well.

I wish all of you who face these inequalities every day the
luck and strength you need to see it through.  Don't give
up.  The wheels turn slowly, but they do turn.  Colorado
won't last forever.  I have faith in us as a species.

Regards, 

                                           --chevron--

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From: harris@cezanne.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Want to meet a gay person
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:58:13 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <ZENNARO.92Oct29132448@mohr.iesd.auc.dk> zennaro@iesd.auc.dk (Christina Zennaro) writes:
>I am a lesbian and know lots of gays. Some of them are assholes and
>some of them hate women. But one fact you can count on is that every
>gay is _surrounded_ with at least one het woman.
>
Hmmm... I myself seem to be surrounded by lesbians....

I do have one straight woman FRIEND, but I somehow can't see her
"surrounding" me....

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual