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From: gt0021c@prism.gatech.EDU (Chris Edward Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Birmingham, 9/11
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:43:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Red Mountian Amphitheatre
Birmingham
September 11, 1992

Rainy Day Women
Peggy-O
All Along the Watchtower
Under the Red Sky
Tangled Up in Blue
Silvio
Simple Twist of Fate
  Little Moses
  Boots of Spanish Leather
  A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
  Don't Think Twice
Unbelievable
Man In The Long Black Coat
Times They Are A-Changin
Maggie's Farm

Ballad of a Thin Man
Highway 61
It Ain't Me Babe


I went into this show expecting the worst, after last year's disastrous
showing at the Fox in Atlanta and that appearance on Letterman earlier this
year.  I came out completely blown away and hungry for more.  A companion
and myself, with 17 shows between us since 1986, both thought that this was
easily the best we've ever seen Dylan.

He played a nice long show, clocking in at about 2 hours (better than the
75 minute gig last year).  He was animated and definitely seemed like he
was having a good time.  The band cooked, and the atmosphere created by the
addition of the pedal steel sound was exhilirating.  And you could even
understand what he was singing!  What a pleasure...to actually be able to
know what song he was playing and not having to play guess-the-mumbled-
lyrics all night.

I was going to list a few highlights and tunes of particular note, but I
honestly don't know where to begin.  The show was so solid from first to
last that I feel guilty singling out any particular groups of tunes.  I
will say that I was very pleasantly surprised to see Simple Twist of Fate
in the setlist and am very grateful for my first ever Tangled Up in Blue.

Last night was such a treat that I have begun coming up with various
explanations for the pitiful performances of recent years (eg Letterman).
Perhaps Dylan was abducted by aliens for scientific experiments and they
left a robot in his place until they brought him back this summer.  Who
knows how or why, but Dylan is most definitely back.

Do not miss him this time around.  Drop the kids, skip class, quit work, do
whatever it takes...just go.




-- 
Chris Perkins, Georgia Institute of Technology, MSM 1993 (?)
uucp: who cares?         Internet: gt0021c@prism.gatech.edu
'I was blind all the time I was learning to see'
Organization: Junior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:31:37 -0400 
From: "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Irritating Songs
	<18qr2pINN8pq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>


ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann):
>Someone mentioned God on Our Side as the most annoying song on 
>TIMES, well, granted the song is soooo long, and can get very tiresome,
it's >just too haunting for me to be irritating.

I agree. I find this song to be quite haunting and powerful - somehow
it's never become irritating to me (except, possibly, the notorious
"fried" line.:))
And, as pointed out previously, the Republican Convention (among other
things) proved just how relevant the song still is.

While on the subject of this song: I remember hearing about live
versions of the song (mid-to-late eighties or so) in which Dylan added a
new verse to the song, about the Vietnam War. Does anyone know what the
lyrics to that verse was?


-jon
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: akp1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Adam K. Powers)
Subject: Re: Results: "Most Annoying Dylan" Poll
Reply-To: akp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:36:20 GMT

	Belle Isle is on _Self-Portrait_ (I've got the LP, I don't know if it's
on the CD version).  The song is about a maiden who is pining for her lover
who is away at sea, but has sworn to return.  The lyrics are from the point of
view of the returning sailor.  He finds her on Belle Isle, but she doesn't
recognize him, so he has to tell her who he is.  There are two *big* problems
with this song: first, the lyrics are written in a pseudo-high-English-fairy-
tale-style that is really convoluted; second, Dylan takes whatever melody the
song might have and flails it all over the place.  It almost sounds like he's
trying to sing while unable to hear himself.  Add strings and blend until
turgid.

						-Adam K. Powers
						akp1@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: witchel@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Emmett Jethro Witchel)
Subject: Nevlle Brothers Rant
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
    <MegIVtO00VIBQIvEVV@andrew.cmu.edu>
    <1992Sep12.212306.11858@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:30:00


Charlie> There is an excellent version (IMHO) of this song on the
Charlie> Neville Bros. "Yellow Moon" album and if memory serves, it
Charlie> has this extra verse.

    I can't remember off hand if that verse is there, but there is one
thing that really bugs me about the neville brother's representation
of this song on this album.

    At the song's end they sing, "Jesus loves me, this I know."

THINGS THAT BUG ME ABOUT THIS LINE 

ONE:
    The addition of this line seems to run contrary to the entire
point of the song, making me wonder why they chose to include the song
if they did not agree with its sharp anti-hypocracy statement.

    A quick plan spike.  I am not saying that liking or identifying
with this song makes you anti-christian.  However (on the most basic
level), the song does critize the use of Christ's name (though I also
grant that it is God not Christ to which Dylan refers) in justifying
war.  To invoke that same name at the end, while not logically
inconsistent, seems screwy.

    To wax linguistic, Christ is the subject of the song -- He is
mentioned.  The Neville brother's line USES Christ.  Again, while that
is not disallowed, it seems odd to be mentioning a concept (and
critizing its usage) and then switch to using that selfsame concept
(though in a context that would exempt it from the original
critisism).

TWO: (and this REALLY bummed me out)

    The Neville Brothers PRINTED this line in their transcription of
the lyrics!  The words are credited to Bob Dylan, yet there appears
this final line WHICH HE DID NOT WRITE (unless someone out there knows
something I do not).

    I realize that the Neville Brothers are quite religious (note
their anti-choice lyrics in the title track of Sons and Daughters (?)
["Pro-choice, no choice.  We're sending our Sons and Daughters to the
slaughter"]), or more specifically religiously Christian, but then why
did they choose to do the song at all?

emmett

PS On the subject of the use/mention distinction, can you think of a
sentence that has 5 "and"s in a row?









































No peeking


There was a sign maker for a new franchise of Authur Treacher's Fish
and Chips.  The manager walked out of the store to inspect the sign
maker's handiwork.

    "You need more space between the "Fish" and "and" and "and" and
"Chips."

Say it a couple of times, and you'll start to feel it.
:)
From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: test
Organization: CMP Publications
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:39:24 GMT


this is a test, sorry.
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Madison Square Gardens
Date: 11 Sep 1992 11:36:59 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  Any NYC or other Dylan.Net.Heads planning on trying to get tickets
for this show? Anyone want to get tickets for me as well? How quickly
is the show likley to sell out? How outrageous will scalped tix be (
seeing as the regular tickets are alredy pretty expensive)?

  *Got* to get to this show...

Steve
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From: jhm@raster.mn.org (Jeff Michaud)
Subject: Re: Orpheum Theater 9/3/92
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:53:05 GMT

olstad@kl.msc.edu (Ken Olstad) writes:
: >>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 92 05:39:11 GMT, jhm@raster.mn.org (Jeff Michaud) said:
: 
:  Jeff> 9/3/92
:  Jeff> Orpheum Theater
:  Jeff> Minneapolis
: 
:  Jeff> Rainy day women
:  Jeff> Peggy-o
: --->Bob now speaks: "This place is home to me"
:  Jeff> All along the watchtower
:  Jeff> ...
: 
: I thought Bob said, "This place is growing on me."  In either case, we
: all loved to hear it.  If anyone would like to supply me with a tape
: of this show, I'd be willing to try to determine which quote is the
: correct one, and let you all know.  :-)

Geez Ken, were we at the same show?  It *WAS* Prince, wasn't it??? :)

PS The local paper, the "Minneapolis Star Tribune" quoted him as saying
"This place is starting to grow on me."  From where I sat, it sounded
like "home", though.

Jeff
-- 
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jhm@raster.mn.org                              -- John Trudell
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: paul.fletcher@rose.com (paul fletcher)
Subject: Masterpieces INFO
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:35:02 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 09-14-92 21:30

    I have been interested in getting a copy of Masterpieces but when 
looking through Goldmine I have noticed that there are a few different 
versions available.

Hit List Records in NY NY list it as:

    Masterpieces Aus-3 cd Best of, Highly recommended. $49.99

Yodelin' Pig MD

    Masterpieces  UK '91 CD, Compilation/Col/New $55.00

    Masterpieces  UK 2CD Comp/CBS/New  $55.00

    What I would like to know is which version is recommended and 
where is the best place to by it? I.E. Should I buy the Austrailian or 
UK version.

    Any information and reviews would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

Paul Fletcher


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From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: 10/16/92 -- 30th Anniversary Concert Info
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:15:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


In article <schweda.716400375@vincent1.iastate.edu> schweda@iastate.edu (Christopher Schweda) writes:

> For those of you who might have missed it, there was a full page ad
> for the 10/16 concert in today's (9/13/92) New York Times:
> Columbia Records
> Celebrates the music of
> Bob Dylan
> Live On Stage
> The World's Leading Recording Artists Perform the Music of Bob Dylan
> - Eric Clapton
> - Bob Dylan
> - George Harrison
> - John Mellencamp
> - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
> - Neil Young
> - And Many More Special Guests
> Friday, October 16. 8pm.

[much deleted]

I've heard that this will be available on pay-per-view, and possibly
will be broadcast on the radio.  Does anyone have any news along
these lines?

--Gary B.
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon  
 
Organization: Junior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 1992 12:51:00 -0400 
From: "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Under the Red Sky (was: Re: Irritating Songs)


denker@acpub.duke.edu (Patrick Denker)
>Even the folks who have defended the song "Under the Red Sky" have 
>accepted the detractors' criticism of its lyrics. I, for one, find the
>lyrics very interesting. 
> [...] (see original post)

I like your analysis of this song a lot. Do you want to take on an
analysis of 10,000 Men, 2 x 2, and Handy Dandy? :) Seriously, I'm very
interested - how do you interpret these other songs?


-jon
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: The Pantomime Horse <Y79@ucc.uwindsor.ca>
Subject: Tour dates, etc
Reply-To: Y79@ucc.uwindsor.ca
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:05:28 GMT

First off:  A lot of people seem to list "Rainy Day Women..." as one
of the irritating songs.  I'd have to concur (and I might even *agree*)
;-] . I'm not sure if it's so much "irritating" in itself, or if it  was
just a bad choice to start off the album.  Usually I skip this track
and go straight to "Pledgin' My Time".  I wonder if "Pledgin'" was the
lead off track, would I put up with "RDW" more often, especially since
I only have _Blonde_ on vinyl.  [Blonde on Vinyl? Is that a Maplethorpe
piece? ;-> ].

[funny how "RDW" was the opening song at one of the recent shows. Could
it be Bob has access to this net, and was riding us a bit?]

Also, I like the nursery ryhme lyrics of UtRS quite a lot, and its
more "pop" music orientation. i.e., "Handy Dandy", "UtRS", etc.
Nice analysis Scott(?).

But what I'm really interested in knowing is where this tour is going
in the immediate or long-range future?  I'm glad to hear all the good
reviews.  Unfortunately  I couldn't make it to the Toronto or Hamilton
shows.  Aside from the rumoured NYC shows have any other dates been
announced?

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Dept. of Communication Studies |
University of Windsor          |      "Keep a good head and
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From: cg2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher W. Graefe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: West Point Concert
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:05:42 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dear Dylan Fans,

     Was it just me or did it seem a bit strange when Bob Dylan, writer
of "MASTERS OF WAR" could do a concert in the most por-military
establishment next ot the Pentagon?  I was extremely turned off by this
and lost a lot of faith in a man whose music I love.  I went to see him
last summer and was pretty disappointed with his inaudible and
incomprehesible style now. WHAT HAPPENED? Am I alone in this? I still
like the guy but I wonder if he's sold out. Or maybe just blowin in the
wind....
     Help me out here>

                                                   Straefe
From: cwwhite@vax2.concordia.ca (Stephen White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Republicans for Dylan?
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:42:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <rose.716244557@judy.cs.iastate.edu>, rose@cs.iastate.edu (John T. Rose) writes...
>Is it the consensus (or just conventional) wisdom that somehow Dylan is
>incompatible with the Grand Old Party? I don't want to inject politics
>into this newsgroup, but I know several Republicans who feel quite at ease
>admiring the work of Dylan. While I don't know for sure, somehow I doubt
>if Dylan is a Democrat, and I'm quite sure he doesn't produce art for
>their benefit alone. 

I obviously cannot tell if Dylan is a Democrat or not, and he himself says that
his lyrics are not political, that they're personal instead, but I can tell
you Dylan is no Republican.

Even if his is not political (cf. "Political World"), the person IS the 
political, as Gloria Steinem has always claimed.  I however have no problem
with republicans admiring his work, since his work is worthy of admiration,
and you don't have to agree with everything he says to enjoy his musical
compositions.  Just as I admire..., well no, I *don't* admire any Republicans,
but in theory I could.  What agrivates me though, is this idea of "art for
art's sake" and the philosophy that this entails.

While many of Dylan's recent albums have dealt less and less with pressing
political hot spots (cf. "Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle", etc.), much of his early
work was intented to contain a message that far too many people neglect IHMO.
Songs like "Masters of War", "With God on our Side", "Talkin' John Birch
Society Paranoid Blues", "Blowin' in the Wind", "Talkin' WWIII Blues", and
list goes on.

You asked if someone could "justify why Dylan's art is more consistent with one
political bent or another", and to this end, I think that the songs I've listed
above speak for themselves.  Does he have to say things like "Rebublicans are
bad, and Democrats are good" as Dana Carvey might put it, or is that just
how you like your information presented to you?  The lyrics are never that
simplistic.  However, using symbols of the right (John Birch Society, Religious
fanatisism, and Military glorification, Dylan is able to paint a picture of
a world that needs to be changed.  I could honestly go on for hours about the
importance of listening to his lyrics, since they were obviously written for a
reason, but I'll await your reply.  This is a fascinating topic, and it is
definitively not out of place on this newsgroup, especially with an election
approaching as it is.

Peace and long life,
								--Stephen White

| "Live simply that others may simply live" -Mohandas K. Gandhi               |


[and for the record, I did just think of an exception: Abraham Lincoln]
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Stereo LP 'FREEWHEELIN' sells for $12,000
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:12:31 GMT

There was a news story in the NY area that a good condition LP
of the STEREO version of Bob's 2nd album just sold for $12,000!

I have all of Dylans early albums and they are in good condition - does
anyone know of a book or periodical that gives the current
values of good condition LPs?

Thanks in advance

Joe
joec@morgan.com


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From: witchel@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Emmett Jethro Witchel)
Subject: Re: One Too Many Mornings
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:02:35


Michael> Finally, I'd like to ask whether anyone has heard the
Michael> "Manchester Prayer" album or "I Shall Be Unreleased". The
Michael> first is an English release and the song list looks
Michael> promising, but short. The price is steep, I don't want to
Michael> fall into buying a lemon. :) Any opinions about either album
adfadfs
	
Michael> are greatly appreciated.

	"I Shall be Unreleased" is a collection of Dylan covers.  It is
not a great album, but if you are a Dylan freak, why not...

	"Only A Hobo" by Rob Stewart is good, "Love is Just a Four Letter
Word" by Joan Beaz is awful (IMHO), "Blind Willie McTell" is a vanilla
hard-rock interpretation that pales in comparison to Bob's more subtle
approach, and so on and so on.

	If you want to spend dough, get it.  Otherwise it can be skipped.

emmett
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: movie
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:21:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, soyka@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David Soyka) says:

>As I'm sure more than a few people have already pointed out, this was Pennebaker's documentary, Don't Look Back, available of videotape.
>
And has anyone noticed how many times that format of the video "Subterraenan
Homesick Blues" has been used. I think INXS uses it, and now Tim Robbins'
new movie Bob Roberts uses the exact format. (Nice touch by Robbins, as the
movie is about a right-wing folk singers running for Senate. Subtle move, 
makes me really want to see the movie.) Bobby D continues to be influencial
and revered. (Just to those who think he's a dinosaur. I know, I'm
preaching to the converted, but hey, why not.)

				Chris
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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: dylan movie?
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:14:46 GMT
	<92250.012234CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <92250.012234CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:

   In article <1992Sep5.230755.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
   rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu says:
   
   [question about `cue cards' clip from Dylan movie]

   That scene was in the D.A. Pennebaker documentary "Don't Look Back",
   about Bob's 1965 tour of England.

Yep.

   If I remember correctly the song in question was "Subterranean Homesick
   Blues."

Yep.

   Highly recommended.

Yep.

That section is considered by some to be "the first rock video,"
whatever that means.

Nick
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From: ajax@judy.indstate.edu (Benjamin C. Kite)
Subject: One Too Many Mornings
Organization: American Zionist Federation
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 08:55:40 GMT

First, I wanted to thank m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu for helping me to begin po-
sting to this group. I've been reading in frustration for quite some time as
my site does not support posts.

I'd like to ask if anyone out there has the chords/tablature and any changed
words for Bob's version of "One Too Many Mornings" on the "Hard Rain" Album.

I'd also like to ask the gang about the much maligned "Self Portrait" Album.
I have realy enjoyed this album, without exception...especially Bob's ren-
dition of Lightfoot's "Early Morning Rain" and the "Sadie" saga. I really
think that the album has a real charm about it that was lost in "Nashville
Skyline".

Finally, I'd like to ask whether anyone has heard the "Manchester Prayer"
album or "I Shall Be Unreleased". The first is an English release and the
song list looks promising, but short. The price is steep, I don't want to
fall into buying a lemon. :) Any opinions about either album are greatly
appreciated.

-=-
[flkite@indsvax1.indstate.edu]/ "If you don't believe there's a price for this 
[skuerst@crab.bio.indiana.edu]/ sweet paradise, just remind me to show youthe 
 ajax@judy.indstate.edu       / scars."
-- 
 "You know what they say about men with *large* vocabularies...."
michael d. denison                          m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu
From: hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com (E.A. Hudacko)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: 10/16/92 -- 30th Anniversary Concert Info
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: farleyja@sol.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate Research and Development

Don't get your hopes up on seeing the show live.  Tickets were gone
by 9:30 today.  I called a ticket broker in Connecticut who has "plenty"
of tickets.  Seats behind the stage are $100, in the "lower levels" across
from the stage a minimum of $150.  No floor seats were available for any
price.

Ticket brokers are the lowest form of life on Earth.

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