From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu (Gadson Sandor)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Samegender Families))
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:18 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <1359@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes...
|In article <2JAN199317590901@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu (Gadson Sandor) writes:
| 
|In some cases it might work, usually where the prejudice they'll encounter
|other places is clearly seen by them to be based on false ideas.   Why
|it won't work here is that as I said before, homosexuals are identified 
|by their behavior.  That behavior is eventually learned by the kids and
|many will simply reject it as unacceptable regardless of what they're taught,
|just as some kids will reject or accept other types of behavior.

	Prejudice, say against Blacks, is based on ideas about Blacks'
behaviour.  Many of these ideas are false, as you suggest.

	Most of the prejudice against Homos is based on ideas about
their behaviour too.  The point is that many of these supposed behaviours
are not practised by all homosexuals.  They don't define homosexuality.
The goal, in my view, is to expose people to what homosexuality is 
really all about, so that they can realise that condemning a whole
culture because of preconceived general assumptions is unwarranted.

	The most kids usually see of supposed Homosexual folk is
some leather-clad pale dancer on MTV.  Expose them to a positive image.
Show them a couple in a home not unlike their parents.  Show them a
business woman carrying a briefcase.  Show them two mothers raising a 
family.

	

|Another area gays make a mistake with these programs is that they assume that
|any significant percentage of students actual hold and regard for what their
|public school teachers have to say about anything. 
|...I'll bet more [kids] leave school looking for the chance to get
|even than those who warmly accept the precepts of these programs.  Kids are
|not dumb they see the conflict, they know who to trust and even though 
|parents may never openly advocate gay bashing, they'll certainly remember 
|in the years yet to come.

	This is your supposition.  Regardless of your red herring
behaviour issue, the same argument could have been made for opposing
the teaching of racial integration.  In fact, there was some backlash
by students and parents when schools were integrated and equality
taught.  Whether teaching tolerance for homos will be worth a backlash
will be up to the educators and the programme's proponents to decide,
since they are the ones who may suffer it.



|When I asked why they weren't watching MTV I was told by the group that none
|of them watch that crappy station because it's nothing but fags.  I was given
|a brief run down of the episodes of some show (which I've not seen yet) called
|The Real World where gay men often tell of their dating habits which just
|made them "sick".  The all had a video to tell of that had graphic homosexual
|scenes which prompted most to stop lsitening to a particular "artist."

	And, you didn't slap the kid silly for berating Homos?  I mean
you seem so concerned about curbing the tendency of violence towards
Gays.  You didn't at least talk to your boy, and provide moral guidance
from a parent (rather than from a school)?  

	Why didn't you make it a point to watch The Real World so that
you could inform the kids that there's only one "gay" man on the show,
and that he's actually bisexual, and that the six other people on the
show who share the details of their dating lives are heterosexuals?

	Why didn't you take the opportunity to tell them that perhaps it's 
inappropriate for people to be taking about their heterosexual dating
and sex experiences? 



|I think, that the people that are pushing these school programs have
|no idea what they're really doing and what they may ultimately accomplish. 
|Trust me, I've got nothing to lose or gain from this debate, nothing!  But
|I will tell you that I have seen were gay bashing starts, and it's got nothing
|to do with anything the these kid's parents are doing or not doing and nothing
|the schools are considering is going help matters.

	So, you're just looking out for the best interests of the
Gay rights movement, are you.  Paul, the Gay bashing didn't start
when liberal educators started teaching that it isn't acceptable.
And, it isn't going to go away if the Fags just keep quite.  If greater
visibility causes a backlash, the Homos are willing to take it
rather than let things stay where they are because they don't
believe things will get any better if they lay low.

	Maybe they're mistaken in the wager they place.  And maybe you're
wrong in the one you place.

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