From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:11:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news-media
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

>Keywords: 

>In article <1992Oct7.144116.21484@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:

>That's fine, but you have not refuted by statement that character is THE
>most important characteristic of a candidate. In the case of Bill Clinton

I think the point is that there is not a universal definition of 
good character, therefore, it is difficult to define a person in
this way.

>this is especially true, since he has lied to us so many times... why should

You are assuming that he "lied" so many times, because you don't believe
what he says.  Tell me what he lied about.

>we ever believe any of his "issue" positions when we can't believe that
>he has any sincerity.

I believe he has the deepest sincerity and is the victim of cut-throat
media bashing.  I belive the Republican party is working over-time to
find people who can creatively remember things about Bill Clinton and
is willing to pay top dollar to whoever can come up with the best
stories.

>Bush is more of a known quantity. Some people distrust him, others don't. I
>feel I know enough about the person, at this point, to be able to predict
>how he will behave.

Me too, which is why I wouldn't vote for him in a million years.

> With Clinton, the only things I can predict are that
>he will not be truthful with us, and that he will take whatever policy
>seems to promise him the most immediate personal advantage. I have yet to

What hat did you pull that one out of?  I see no evidence that he will
support policies that serve himself first.  I think he sincerely wants
to be a public servant.  I think he sincerely cares about the well-being
of all of us, and I think he will work very hard toward those ends.

This is evident from his record and from all his public appearances.
George says one thing and does another.  This is also evident from his
record and his public appearances.

>see him take ANY policy stand that takes the slightest bit of courage...

Then you haven't been paying attention.  

>he simply panders to whatever he things will win the election.

Exuse me?  Are you assuming that because his followers like his plans,
that he is pandering?  Public acceptance does not indicate that one is
a panderer.  What one does to gain that acceptance is.  Clinton presents
innovative plans targeted at the real problems of this country.  People
like that, therefore he wins acceptance.  That is pandering?

How about George (throw money at it) Bush, who tours around the
country promising tax breaks and federal funding to every cause?
After he gets done throwing all that money away, he won't have any left.
Empty promises = pandering.

>Fine, but Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin also were ABLE. Ability counts, 
>but so do intentions and personal integrity.

They were able, but they were also criminally insane.  There is no
comparison between them and Clinton.  Clinton is trustworthy, able,
innovative, and is will be a breath of fresh air in the Whitehouse
in January.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:37:26 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center