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From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: 3D starbase graphics -> Postscript
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:28:22 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <7371235@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan) writes:
>In comp.sys.hp, hebert@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (Rick Hebert, Lockheed-ESC, Houston, 713writes:
>
>> If someone could point the way that I could go from 3D starbase to
>> either PostScript, HPGL, or XWD then I would be happy. 
>
>I have had success using xwd to create dumps of starbase windows.
>The key word hear is "window".  If you have a display system which
>supports multiple visuals (CRX24(Z), TVRX, PVRX,...) and associated
>colormaps, xwd is not very good at understanding that some windows are
>not made of the same stuff (visual and/or colormap) as the root window.
>
>Read "not very good" as "No Way".
>
>The only way around this is to dump just the window with the starbase
>output (and the odd visual/colormap).  The easiest way to do this is to 
>just invoke "xwd" and use the interactive point and click to select the 
>window. The next interesting question will be if your xwd2ps can handle
>24 bit DirectColor visuals :-(.
>
>I haven't tried this, so good luck.
>
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>Howard Stroyan                                         
>Hewlett-Packard                                        hstroyan@fc.hp.com
>User Interface Technology Division                     

Here's what I do:

If you have control over your Starbase source code you can modify it so
it can output several formats, including HP-GL and Starbase bitmap files
(all Starbase drivers for are provided in HP-UX).  From a Starbase bitmap
you can transform to the X Window dump format with the standard HP-UX
command sb2xwd; you can use the reverse command xwd2sb to import X
Window dumps into your Starbase application.  From xwd you can go to
almost anything you like by using the PBM package (freely available in
many archives).  For instance the pbm command  "xwdtopnm <file.xwd> |
pnmtops" will produce an encapsulated postsrcipt file as final output.

The upshot of all this is that it is indeed possible to go from Starbase
to Encapsulated Postscript.

Hope this helps,

Bo
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: alek@spatial.com (Alek O. Komarnitsky)
Subject: Re: HP9000/710 bug
Organization: Spatial Technology, Inc. (Boulder, Colorado)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:39:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.064555.1127@wstar.mixcom.com> jpf@wstar.mixcom.com (John P. Flanagan) writes:
>I too experience this problem, about 2 to 3 times a week; an innocent
>left-button mouse click to expose a window and boom, the disk starts
>grinding away, then the window I clicked to expose disappears killing
>whatever was running inside (usually vi).  I've tried patch PHKL_1065;
>although it improves interactive response, it doesn't fix this problem.

Ummm, I wrote in a recent post:
* P.S. Anybody out there using file system swap on their HP700's w/HP-UX8.07?
* Even with the "VM patch" installed (PHKL_1065), there still seems to be
* some strangeness. I've enabled this on a few machines as a "safety net,"
* VUE (and our product) can be memory pigs at times. However, sometimes
* it seems that we encounter about 5 minutes of pure swapping, load factor
* of 20+, and a hyper-active disk (lots of squirrels in there eating nuts! :-)
* Things then seem to return to normal ?!?

I wonder if you're seeing something similar? HP doesn't handle running out
of swap swap very well ... but then again, I don't know what system does! ;-)

Alek Komarnitsky                                      303-449-0649
Software Tools Manager, Spatial Technology, Inc.      2425 55th Street, Bldg A
alek@spatial.com                                      Boulder, CO 80301-5704
From: mobej@thaad-1g%hac2arpa.hac.com (Mario Obejas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: 700/RX delete key - odd behaviour
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:33:59 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

We installed a pair of 700RX Xterms (the 19" Ca with 10Mb RAM) on the net,
attached to an HP 720 w/8.07. We used the C2716 server tape and are using the
SIMPLEST login method, namely TFTP, to bring the Xterms up. We are using the VUE
enviroment. This works just fine, but the Xterms, using the C1405 (PC style)
keyboard, have an odd behaviour when the delete key is used. Specifically, the
char being deleted is replaced with an unprintable char - it looks like a cursor
sized checkerboard. Anybody seen this one? Are we missing a patch? 

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From: njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: 300 as Xterminal, and xterm -> VAXes
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:28:49 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin



Does anyone know if it is possible to use a (say) 9000/400 as an Xterminal to a
700, without just telnetting and setting DISPLAY ?

I'd like to have two or three keyboard+screens with an Xserver for using our
700, and I can't seem to get any of the PC Xservers I've tried working
properly :(.

Also (unrelatedish) :  when I connect to a VAX under xterm, I can't delete
characters at all - hpterm is even worse as then I have to tell the vax I 
have a totally dumb terminal...  - is there some way to set up xterm (or
even anything else) so that I can run a normal VAX/VMS session from the
console of one of our HP workstations ?

hope someone has come across this stuff before...

Neil

njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: pweber@ws21.mcs.loral.com (Paul Weber)
Subject: 7.05 Locally Mounted File Systems
Organization: Loral Command & Control Systems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:58:35 GMT

Has anyone successfully implemented locally mounted file systems on a 
diskless cluter running HP-UX 7.05?  Our CE says it can be done, but it
is not supported under 7.05 (and won't tell me how it's done).  

We are using HP 7946s as local swap and most of the space on the disc is just
going to waste, plus it would make good local disc space. 

SAM refuses to make the disc anything but swap.  A mount of the disc returns
:Invalid argument.  

Any help would be appreciated.


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From: rdg@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Gardner)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:42:08 GMT
Subject: Re: inode to filename
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


> Does anyone know of a reasonable way to obtain a filename from the inode in
> HP-UX 8.x.I need to do it from a C program & it needs to be fairly efficient,
> so ncheck isn't an option.

A fast, "heuristic" way to do it exists, but it doesn't always work. The
idea is not mine originally, but here it is:

You know the inode number (call it I1) and want to find out the name
of *a* file that has that inode number. Read the superblock (struct fs)
for the file system containing the inode. Divide the inode number by
the number of cylinder groups in the file system to get the cylinder
group containing the inode (I1/fs->fs_ncg).

Now look at just the inodes in that cylinder group, and search for
directories. When you find one (call it I2), search it for an entry
matching I1 (the inode number that you're interested in.)  If you find
it, you now know the (base-)name of a file.

(You will find the inode you're looking for very often, because of a
file system optimization which always *tries* to place the inode for
a file in the same cylinder group that contains the directory. This
is *much* faster than "find / -inum etc" because you're not searching
the entire disk, just a tiny piece of it.)

Now search the same directory (I2) for the ".." entry. When you find
the inode for "..", search it for inode I2. Now you know the name of
the directory containing I1! Repeat this process until the inode
number of ".." is 2, the root directory, and you've got the full
pathname of the file.

If the file system isn't root, tack on fs->fs_fsmnt to get the directory
that the disk was mounted on, and now you've got an absolute pathname
for the file.

Naturally, this scheme won't find any (hard) links to the original
file if they are at a remote disk location. If links were made to the
file, and then the file was unlinked from the directory where it was
created, then the scheme won't find anything. In practice, the scheme
works pretty well. (This scheme is used by the GlancePlus product.)

Rob
From: davidb@hpuadla.aus.hp.com (David Booth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: SUN CD-ROM
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:00:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adelaide, Australia, Smallest HP DownUnder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

carl@asi.com (Carl Ellis) writes:
: I neglected to mention in my previous post that I would
: like to boot as well as read other distribution CD's
: from a SUN CD-ROM.  Is this possible?

I have actually tried this (about 8 months ago), and the results:
	(1) Boot does not work - the SUN CD fails to respond to a bus reset
	    command (I think that's what it was). The boot-roms did find the
	    device, however.
	(2) Once you have booted your system (from the hard disc), you *can*
	    read from the SUN CD-Drive just fine. We put in a s/w disc, and
	    ran an update from it, to install more s/w onto the 720.

For what it's worth, at a Customer site we put an HP CD into a SUN drive, on
a SUN host, and NFS mounted the disc onto a 720. That, too, worked just fine.
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From: lecom@slhp1.epfl.ch (Claude Lecommandeur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Xlib bugs in HP-UX 8.07
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:41:35 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <85922@netnews.upenn.edu>, freeman@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Jon Freeman) writes:
|> I have two specific complaints about Xlib functions under HP-UX 8.07.
|> 
|> 1.  For the life of me, I cannot figure out how to add a new font
|> directory to a server's font path using XSetFontPath() (or
|> equivalently, 'xset +fp' or 'xset fp+').  I wrote a small C program
|> that calls XSetFontPath() but it keeps giving me BadValue errors.  It
|> is possible to "add" font directories that are already in the path
|> (they will appear twice in the path), but adding a new directory
|> simply doesn't work, no matter where that directory actually is.  Does
|> anybody else have this problem, or am I losing my mind?
|> 

    It seems that you can add directories only in {your_X11_path}/lib/fonts,
i don't know why, but it works for me for these kind of directories.

|> 2.  Here's a simple Xlib program called xlib-test.c:
|> --------------------------------------------------------
|> #include <stdio.h>
|> #include <X11/Xlib.h>
|> 
|> int main(argc, argv)
|> int argc;
|> char *argv[];
|> {
|>   Display *disp;
|>   char *fg, *bg, *rnd;
|> 
|>   if ((disp = XOpenDisplay(NULL)) == NULL) {
|>     printf("Can't open default display\n");
|>     exit(1);
|>   }
|> 
|>   fg = XGetDefault( disp, argv[0], "foreground" );
|>   bg = XGetDefault( disp, argv[0], "background" );
|>   rnd = XGetDefault( disp, argv[0], "random" );
|> 
|>   if( fg == NULL ) printf("fg is null.\n");
|>   else printf("fg is %s\n", fg);
|> 
|>   if( bg == NULL ) printf("bg is null.\n");
|>   else printf("bg is %s\n", bg);
|> 
|>   if( rnd == NULL ) printf("rnd is null.\n");
|>   else printf("rnd is %s\n", rnd);
|> 
|>   XCloseDisplay( disp );
|> 
|>   return 0;
|> 
|> }
|> --------------------------------------------------------
|> And here's its output on an HP9000/710:
|> 
|> hp710 /disk/plaid/freeman [ 4 ] xlib-test
|> fg is #FFFFFFFFFFFF
|> bg is #7848A075D500
|> rnd is null.
|> hp710 /disk/plaid/freeman [ 5 ] 
|> 
|> I have no .Xdefaults file in my home directory, and my XENVIRONMENT
|> variable is not set, so all three calls to XGetDefault() should have
|> returned null.  I get the same results no matter what the name of the
|> program is.
|> 
|> Xlib is the lowest level of what's supposed to be the ultimate
|> portable window system.  It's very disappointing to discover that even
|> basic functions like these have bugs.
|> 

   Did you try xrdb -q, HP/Vue loadss its own resources in the server.

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From: cac@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Christopher A. Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Original (128Kb) Laserjet w/ Win 3.1...
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:36:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY


	OK, I know the old laserjet is a bit overpowered nowadays, but I
have one and not enough money for something better (can you say
"studant?"  Uh huh...).  I'd like to make it work better with Windows
3.1.  Win 3.1 has a setting specifically for the Laserjet with 128Kb but
it still doesn't work.  The poor printer gets overloaded and decides to
stop.  Is there some other item out there I could run in place of say
print manager (which can actually be turned off but that doesn't help)
that could intercept calls to the printer and feed it slowly as opposed
to trying to stuff everything in to it at one time?

						Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hebert@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (Rick Hebert, Lockheed-ESC, Houston, 713/283-5109)
Subject: Re: Need 'xwd' -> PostScript
Organization: LOCKHEED MISSILES & SPACE CO.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:35:04 GMT

In article <63300088@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com>, kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides) writes:
> In comp.sys.hp, hebert@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (Rick Hebert, Lockheed-ESC, Houston, 713writes:
> 
>> Can anyone help me find a way to print from an Xwindow directly (or
>> indirectly) to PostScript.  I currently am using X11R4 (no shit) and
>> would like to print to a PostScript color printer.  I've tried
> 
> I strongly recommend you to get "xgrab" from export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib.
> It supports xwd , postscript (color too) and other xbm formats and
> has a very good user interface.
> 
This sounds like its gonna do the trick.  Someone else mentioned 'xwd2ps'
but we don't have the "full" X11R4 release because HP doesn't ship
the full set :-|   

Thanks for all who responded!
-rick  hebert@lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: wonga@chem.su.oz.au ()
Subject: nifty things from Domain/OS
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:54:01 GMT

I've just installed Domain/OS 10.4 and some of the newer Motif stuff
is really neat, like vuepad and dde. It seems odd that "vuepad" is
a very HP-UX thing yet it appears on the Apollos.

I wondered if any of this was planned for HP-UX and the 700 series.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: "sleep" and "fdate" on the hp workstations?
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:49:47 GMT

I have a piece of code that has successfully compiled on a large variety
of Unix workstations that makes use of "SLEEP()" and "FDATE()" calls.
This is Fortran code.

On the hp's, I have problems:

1) FDATE doesn't appear to exist. Does anyone know of a suitable
   replacement?

2) SLEEP() compiles OK, but then it seems to just hang. According to the
   man page (and by analogy to all the other Unix systems I've ported to),
   SLEEP(ITIME) should suspend the process for ITIME seconds. On the
   hp, the process just hangs, seemingly indefinitely.

Any advice?

Thanks...

dap
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Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
From: rhody@remus.rutgers.edu (Sean Rhody)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: X-window system on HP-UX 8.07
Keywords: X-Windows HP-UX
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:40:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Help!
  I just started with HP-UX on an HP 710 with HP-UX 8.07
.  I would like to start learning about and working with
X-Windows, but there seems to be a lot of files missing.
Could someone take the time to explain ( in detail) what
is missing from the standard file distribution and how I
can get it without selling my first born to HP?  send 
detailed replies to rhody@remus.rutgers.edu.  I'll post a
summary of the replies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf)
Subject: Re: good news : X11R5 servers for HP7xx available at mit.
Originator: stumpf@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:09:48 GMT


In article <3860@sicsun.epfl.ch>, lecom@slhp1.epfl.ch (Claude Lecommandeur) writes:
|> 
|>     found on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/R5.HP.SRV :
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> The files in this directory contain sources that allow the X11 R5 sample
|> server to be built for the following HP 9000 Series 700 workstation
|> platforms:
|> [...] 
|> The code is being released in source form for building and execution on the 
|> above platforms when running either the HP-UX 8.05 or 8.07 operating system.  
|> 
|> This software is intended for demonstration, experimentation, or research
|> purposes only.  It is not Hewlett-Packard product code and carries with it
|> no guarantee of functionality, performance, maintenance, or support.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know why this is there! ;-)

I didn't get it to work!
The Imakefile thinks there should be directories
	ddx/cfb16
	ddx/cfb32
which aren't and commenting this instructions leads to a failing final
ld, because two external variables aren't there!

    /bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
       defeatAccessControl (data)
       cfbScreenPrivateIndex (data)

And they aren't anywhere in the R5 pl16 server directory!

Some hints? Any hints?

And a comment to the hpLib.tmpl file:
This is really ugly!
It didn't work for my (plain MIT without PROJECTROOT) setup!
(But the ones posted to comp.sys.hp did!) And you can't install a new version
without shutting down X completely (which also can be done with the ones
posted to comp.sys.hp!)

Anyway! Thanks for at least some good will!
Ciao

	\Maex
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From: richichi@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Richichi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Weird disk usage problem.
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:03:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


We've got a 9000/730, HP-UX 8.07, with 2 1.2 GB SCSI exernal disks.  
Believe it or not, we're using the space, and a few days ago I went
around and deleted some files.  The catch is, if i do a du from the root
directory of the disk, it lists directories and files I deleted.  If I
switch to one of the directories with the phantom files and do a du on
that, the files are not listed.  Unfortunately, the disk usage figures
(from bdf) mesh with the totals of du from the root dir.  This is very
annoying.

I ran fsck on the drive, and it said everything was fine, but the
problem is still there.  The files aren't hidden in lost+found or tmp or
anything like that, you can't access them at all.  But the disk usage
routines still believe in them.  

If I wanted to have the space filled, I wouldn't have deleted stuff.
Any suggestions on how to get the df to jibe?  


------------
Mike Richichi, Dept. of Physics, Colorado State Univ.
richichi@lamar.colostate.edu  mrichich@drunivac.bitnet 
"Aw, the stretching beam, ya blurred me!" --MST3K
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jason@jazz.cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
Subject: Re: Recovering from disk with bad blocks
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:20:13 GMT
Organization: HP-Network and Systems Management Division

What are typical block numbers in the CANNOT READ BLCK ## messages you
receive?

The two times I saw this message, I had accidentally attached two HP-IB disk
drives with the same bus number to the same bus. This is guaranteed to cause
havoc; irretrievable, unrecoverable, havoc. In those cases, the block
numbers I saw were huge, far beyond possible valid block numbers.

I hope you didn't do what I did; if so, there's really no hope aside from
pulling the blocks off one at a time and attempting to reconstruct things
from individual untrashed blocks.

This is not an official statement of The Hewlett-Packard Company. No war-
ranty is expressed or implied. The information included herein is not to be
construed as a committment on HP's part. Save a tree - disband an ISO working
group today.

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Mail Stop 102			Ft. Collins, CO  80525  USA
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From: wib@informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de (Willi Burmeister)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: pascal bindings phigs needed
Keywords: pascal,phigs,bindings
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:59:59 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Kiel, FRG

We want to use phigs on our HP 9000/700 with pascal. But HP supports
only C and fortran bindings. Does anyone have pascal bindings?


Willi



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From: wp@orion.erls01.siemens.de (Wolfgang Prediger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: getopts and /bin/sh
Keywords: HU-UX 8.02, /bin/sh, getopts
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:09:57 GMT
Reply-To: wp@orion.erls01.siemens.de
Organization: SIEMENS AG, AUT 482, Nbg-M
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hi

We are using HP-UX 8.02 on 9000/827.

Is there *REALLY* no getopts in /bin/sh ?
I know, /bin/ksh has it, but the scripts I've got 
won't run correctly with ksh.
They are too many and they are too large to replace
getopts with getopt.

Any hints ?

Thanks in advance

Wolfgang
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From: jwatts@hpihoah.cup.hp.com (Jon Watts)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:20:59 GMT
Subject: Re: What are the internal names for the various HP computers?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino