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From: asteiner@access.digex.com (Alan J. Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Rumor has it..
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:53:33 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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In article <1ic7bdINN2o6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Bill Monroe will play the inaug (with the Bluegrassboys)
>-- 
>Ted....

Per Dudley Connell of the Johnson Mountain Boys (and
Smithsonian/Folkways Records), the JMB will be appearing at the festival
on the MAll in DC.  I think it's called America's Reunion.

Also the new JMB album should be out next month on Rounder, as reported by
the band during their show at the Birchmere on Saturday, January 2. 

Al Steiner
asteiner@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western,rec.music.folk
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Canadian Railroad Trilogy Words?
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:03:45 GMT

Could someone please post or email me the words to Gordon Lightfoot's
Canadian Railroad Trilogy?  Thanks.

Bill

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: GARTH BROOKS 24 HOURS A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: cows, pigs, boots, mules, mud, beer, trucks
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:03:31 GMT

In article <1icb7tINN6j8@mirror.digex.com> geffy@access.digex.com (Geff King) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.030012.24339@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>>Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
>>>
>>>  I don't know if this is some sort of New Year's
>>>practical joke, but evidently a radio station in
>>>Pittsburgh has switched to an all Garth Brooks
>>>format.
>>
>>My uncle made me listen to country music on a cross country trip
>>through the entire united states.  At the end of the 3000 mile
>>nightmare, I felt I knew more about boots, trucks, and cows than any
>>man should be forced to know.
>

you left out drinking, hangovers, trains, mom, dying, crying, 
 loving, rain, etc

>Congrantulations - you're halfway there. NOW play a solid week
>in  a truck-stop with BIOHAZARD signs on the toilet stalls and 15 drunk &
>obnoxious "cousins" of Willie Nelson asking you to play "To All the
>Girls I've Loved Before". Then we'll talk about qualifications.
>
>>Now they rig the f'ing rating system so that hicks seems more popular
>>than they are.  Cows are not interesting.  Country music is not
>>interesting.
>

you'd be surprised how many people love/like country music - its the same
stuff that ballads, grass roots, blues, rhythm&blues, jazz, etc come
from - the land and its people...

>What? kd lang not interesting? >>:-) Since When?
>
>>That was until I heard Garth Brooks...He's expanded country music so
>>much!!!  Now country music is about boots, trucks, cows, and goofy
>>hair cuts and faggy shirts.
>

and believing in family, love, your country, and respect

>It's also about money, and as a country-western cover-band musician I'm
>making a little more of it than I used to, and even get to do a few of my
>own tunes now & again. I guess I should go to Los Angeleez and PAY-TO-PLAY,
>live under the freeway like Nikki Sixx did..
>>
>>It's my opinion ...I'm Andy Rooney. >
>
>Yeah, and I'm Morton Downey Jr....WANNA EXPAND THIS DISCUSSION?????
>


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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Subject: Re: KEEN 1370 - Here's what happened
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:51:13 GMT

> In article <1993Jan9.030837.926@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>>  In terms of a specific show, I think I enjoy "All Kinds of Country"
>>with Sully on KSAN, Sunday evenings the most.  It is an eclectic mix
>>of top-40 country, hiss-and-pop old recordings, bluegrass, folk, and
>>other stuff.  Opinions?

Is there anyone here who could give me a postal address for station KSAN
alongwith Sully's full name? I compile a country show locally and would like to
contact her. Either post or email would be fine.

Thanks
Alan Murray
CSC Operations
Univesity of Canterbury
a.murray@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Double Bass for Sale
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:21:00 +0000

Subject: Double Bass for Sale
=============================

[For UK post only: Sorry my mailer can't automatically do UK 
distribution posts.]


Modern 3/4 size Double Bass for sale. Blonde, carved Zeller model, 
includes soft case. A-mazing sound, but sadly I'm moving to smaller 
premises that only allow for my bass guitars.

Two years old, never gigged, never left my house and it's in 
absolutely pristine condition. Cost #670. Want to sell for #550 
o.n.o.

Please don't follow up in this newsgroup, please Email me for more 
information and I'll post you my telephone number if you';re 
interested.

Thank you

Clive Grace
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Subject: Early music stores/events in Montreal
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:47:55 GMT

I will be in Montreal at the beginning of March and would like to know
of any early music events happening around then.  Also, if there are
any shops or instrument makers there selling appropriate instruments.
Please tell me if you know!

Andrew Draskoy
andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
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Subject: RE: tous les matins du monde
From: Cindi Roden <RODEN@GUVM.BITNET>
Date: 07 Jan 1993 14:58:34 -0500 (EST)
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Anna, I agree with you completely.  Not even attempting to make the
playing scenes look realistic is just plain sloppiness (stupidity, too).
They should have put a costume on Jordi Savall and filmed his hands as
he was recording the soundtrack.  Or, they could have hired _any_ good
viol player and put a costume on him and filmed his hands as he played
pieces from the soundtrack - it would have still looked fairly realistic.
(Note: I only refer to 'him', and 'his' hands because I doubt that
feminine hands would have gone undetected by the movie-going audience;
otherwise, of course, a woman could have done it perfectly well.)

Cindi Roden
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
From: max@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Max Ziff)
Subject: Tallis Scholars in Chicago soon?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:46:12 GMT

I heard a rumor that the Tallis Scholars will be coming through
Chicago soon, like maybe February.  Can anyone help me on this?  Are
they doing a US tour?

Thanks,
--
Donald Ziff (Max)                                    ziff@cs.uchicago.edu

"Sin's most sinister symbol.  
     Git gone -- The very sight of you gives me irkage."  -- Offissa Pupp
From: mrhine@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Rhine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: re: plastic vs. wood
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:09:39 GMT
Organization: my organization here

hello...

i agree with the opinions voiced so far. food for thought though...

i have pretty good wooden student models (adler SAT)...and while they certainly
are much warmer (nicer harmonic stack) than the rottenberg plastic(s) (SSAT),
the yamaha's stay in tune and do not saturate like the wooden ones.

comment:

i have been working with a quartet where 3 of us use the yamaha's. just
*one* good wooden instrument really makes the difference...especially on the
cadences. it warms things up nicely.

just a thought...love these recorder threads! keep it up!


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Subject: RE: tous les matins du monde
From: Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Date: 08 Jan 1993 11:07:48 -0500 (EST)
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:21:20 GMT Gadfly said:
>In article <EARLYM-L%93010618253924@AEARN.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>,
>MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester) quotes me:

Actually, I don't.  Your mailer must be showing the material I forward from
=ALLMUSIC='s Jeff Beer as coming from me directly.
>
>Savall himself would have been an excellent choice for Marais--those
>who know him say that his arrogance and his masterful but cool technique
>made him a natural.  And who better for les filles de St Colombe than

I am reminded of the film of Bach that Leonhardt made back in the '60s.
Certainly the playing was all there; I have some reservations about the
acting--or was it the script?
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Subject: (fwd) ref. books
From: Harry Lincoln <BG0056@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:22:24 ECT
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  In reference to "Early Music Ref. Books" (from Gene at Townson)
if you are looking at madrigals you may get some help from my book
THE ITALIAN MADRIGAL AND RELATED REPERTORIES. INDEXES TO PRINTED
COLLECTIONS, 1500-1600 (Yale University Press).  I am currently
preparing a similar book for the LATIN MOTET (1500-1600) (in
printed "collections" as defined by RISM).  This book will include
listings of modern printed editions.  I do not attempt to list
recordings.  From my data base I can perhaps answer your questions.
Send them along.  Harry Lincoln, MUSIC DEPT, BINGHAMTON UNIVERSITY,
Binghamton,NY 13902-6000.   (BG0056@BINGVMB).
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Subject: RE: FTP site opens
From: "Paul J. Everett" <STMU8001@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Date: 08 Jan 1993 15:01:00 +0000 (GMT)
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Could someone tell me what FTP means and what the purpose of the FTP site is?
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Subject: tous les matins du monde
From: Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Date: 04 Jan 1993 12:42:44 -0500 (EST)
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Comments: Originally-From: Jeff Beer <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
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Thought the recent discussion of this film here made this a timely cross-post:

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Ok, the holiday film treat for me was Tous Les Matins Du Monde,
which is a film on Pascal Quignard's story on the encounters of Marin
Marais with Sainte Colombe.  In actual history, Sainte Colombe is
a 17th century composer and viole de gambe virtuoso, who added the
7th string to the instrument.  Not much else is known about him.
Marin Marias is better known, playing in Lully's orchestra in
Da Court, and a leading composer in the French baroque. At one
time he studied with Sainte Colbombe, and that is what Quignard's
book and this film are about.

The film depicts Sainte Colombe as an eccentric and reclusive character,
who lives in sorrow and dreams of his dead wife, which becomes the
source of his musical inspiration.  Gerard Daprdieu and his son Guillaume
play Marin Marias (at different ages), depicted as a golden boy of sorts,
who none the less realizes that Michael Jackson stardom doesn't
equate the real meaning of music.  Sainte Colombe doesn't want to have
much to do with Marais, but Marais has better luck with one of Sainte
Colombe's daughters.  I am not going to give away anything more
concerning the plot and gratuitous sex scenes of this film.

Back to the music: not only are there stunning viole performances
of the music of Sainte Columbe and Marais by Jordi Savall, but
there are other pieces by Lully and Couperin.  The Lully piece
is the wild "Marche pour la Ceremonie des Tures".  I dig this piece
a lot, especially with the drums.  This isn't the spit-shined baroque
of Bach or Couperin, it smells like it hasn't taken a shower in six
months. (ok, it's a minor key, but they do the Picardy third bit
in ending on a major key.  I can't help but think there was a guy
wearing a plaid sports jacket telling them that they must end
on a major chord in order for it to sell)
While most of the music is clearly baroque, some of the stuff
hints a renaissance flavor.

A friend told me that the New York Times said one of the reasons this film
was made was that "early music" on "period instruments" is very popular
in France right now.  Ah, a pure marketing move, an exploitation film
all along....  no wonder it won so many awards.

Jeff
From: horai@iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Hisayuki Horai)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Early Music Shop
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:51:14 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: IIAS-SIS, Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Japan

Dear all,

I have heard from a friend of mine that famous Early Music Shop in London
(basement of Shott, Gt.Marlborough St.) cease the business from new year.
Does anyone know whether it is true or not?
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From: markf@sco.COM (mark forry)
Subject: Re: Central & Eastern European instrument request
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:26:17 GMT


In article <19930108.053249.438@almaden.ibm.com> YANASAK@RALVM5.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>Does anyone know of a good source of information regarding
>instruments that were used in Medieval / Renaissance Central and
>Eastern Europe?  (Current folk instruments would be okay as well.)
>Note: the source doesn't necessarily have to be in english.

A good place to start would be the individual country articles
in the New Grove Dictionary, as well as the Grove Dictionary of
Musical Instruments.  The ICTM (International Council
for Traditional Music) has a study group on historical sources
for music research.  Otherwise, their are scholars in individual
countries that have done historical research on musical
instruments; here's some off the top of my head:

Croatia:  Koraljka Kos, Kresimir Galin
Czech Republic:  Ludvig Kunz
Germany:  Erich Stockmann
Hungary:  Balint Sarosi
Serbia:  Roksanda Pejovic
Slovak Republic:  Oskar Elschek
Sweden:  Ernst Emsheimer

Caveat:  Don't assume that contemporary folk instruments
necessarily correspond to Medieval and Renaissance instruments;
there have been lots of changes in particular instruments,
especially in the last 100 years.  (This maybe obvious, but it's
an error I encounter frequently.)
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Subject: Re: Central & Eastern European instrument request
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:31:25 GMT

In article <19930108.053249.438@almaden.ibm.com>, YANASAK@RALVM5.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
> Does anyone know of a good source of information regarding
> instruments that were used in Medieval / Renaissance Central and
> Eastern Europe?  (Current folk instruments would be okay as well.)
> Note: the source doesn't necessarily have to be in english.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Ivan Yanasak                        yanasak@ralvm5.vnet.ibm.com
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From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Subject: Re: tous les matins du monde
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:21:20 GMT
Summary: Context.

In article <EARLYM-L%93010618253924@AEARN.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>,
MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester) quotes me:
> >True, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist, nor even a
> >gamba player, to see that what Savall plays is not what the actors
> >are mimicking.  It's not even close.  Well, Depardieu fils probably
> >had a few cello lessons.  Otherwise it was pretty dismal acting--
> >amateur "air guitar" players are more convincing musicians.
 
> Well, Harpo Marx is dead.  Seriously, what do you want?  You aren't
> going to get realistic "playing" from people that can't play.  Name a
> movie where you have.  It certainly was better the "playing" than Bird.
> You make it like we owe Milli Vanilli an apology.

Most movies fail at musical realism, but then, most are not about
the heart and soul of music.  I mean, it doesn't matter that the
singer is strumming her guitar halfway down the fingerboard in
Casablanca--her fumbling is irrelevant to the action, and even lends
a naive charm--but "Tous Les Matins" *is* about St. Colombe, Marais,
and the interplay of their private and public art.  How they played
tells us who they are, and in pretending badly they both came off
like cardboard.

Savall himself would have been an excellent choice for Marais--those
who know him say that his arrogance and his masterful but cool technique
made him a natural.  And who better for les filles de St Colombe than
the group, "Les Filles de St Colombe"?  OK, it would take an
imaginative makeup artist to turn Mary Springfels into a nymphet,
but when she plays she has this St. Cecelia radiance which transcends
mere appearance.  The movie was about just that radiance, so it
really needed skilled players to make it work.

For me anyway.  Mary herself enjoyed it immensely.  But she noted that
she often had to close her eyes.

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From: wikla@cs.Helsinki.FI (Arto Wikla)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Query: Salomone Rossi
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:19:10 +0200
Organization: University of Helsinki, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
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The Italian publisher S.P.E.S. has published a nice
collection of his instrumental music in faximile edition.
Good stuff!
(if more information is wanted, ask me)

Arto Wikla, Helsinki, Finland
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Subject: RE: tous les matins du monde
From: Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Date: 06 Jan 1993 12:12:16 -0500 (EST)
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Comments: Originally-From: Jeff Beer <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was ALLMUSIC@AUVM

Forwarded from =ALLMUSIC=, to continue the response.  Again, the thread is
not mine--I thought since both lists had discussed the film so recently, a
little cross-posting might be interesting.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In article <ALLMUSIC%93010608064095@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Early Music List
<EARLYM-L@AEARN.BITNET> writes:
>> Ok, the holiday film treat for me was Tous Les Matins Du Monde...
>
>Must have been a very boring holiday season for you.  This film
>finally made it to Chicago, and I rushed to see it.  What a dis-
>appointment.  And a as a gambist, I was simply embarrassed.

Well, I could have seen Lethel Weapon 3 on Pay-per-view.

>> Back to the music: not only are there stunning viole performances
>> of the music of Sainte Columbe and Marais by Jordi Savall...
>
>True, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist, nor even a
>gamba player, to see that what Savall plays is not what the actors
>are mimicking.  It's not even close.  Well, Depardieu fils probably
>had a few cello lessons.  Otherwise it was pretty dismal acting--
>amateur "air guitar" players are more convincing musicians.

Well, Harpo Marx is dead.  Seriously, what do you want?  You aren't
going to get realistic "playing" from people that can't play.  Name a
movie where you have.  It certainly was better the "playing" than Bird.
You make it like we owe Milli Vanilli an apology.

Jeff
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Subject: FTP site opens
From: root@TBF.MUSICNET.UA.EDU
Date: 08 Jan 1993 10:08:42 +0100
Organization: University of Alabama School o' Music
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For all who are interested...

wagner.musicnet.ua.edu
FTP site for MIDI soundfiles et. al.
login=anonymous
pw   =username

This site is a pilot project; so far we accept the following formats:

MIDI
Finale
DMCS
Professional Composer

More as need warrants.  If the site is popular, I will move it to a machine
with a larger disk drive.  No files there yet...upload some!

R

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From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: Early Music Shop
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:00:51 GMT

In article <HORAI.93Jan12145110@bija.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> horai@iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Hisayuki Horai) writes:
>
>I have heard from a friend of mine that famous Early Music Shop in London
>(basement of Shott, Gt.Marlborough St.) cease the business from new year.
>Does anyone know whether it is true or not?

I was in London last week, and as usual strolled over to Gt. Marlborough 
St. to browse in the Early Music Shop and discovered to my horror that 
it was indeed gone.

However, after doing some telephoning, I discovered that:

	- The Early Music Shop in London was only a small outlet of the 
	  "real" Early Music Shop in Bradford in West Yorkshire (near 
	   Manchester).

	- The London shop closed b/c Schott needed the space.

	- They're presently negotiating space for a new London outlet.

So anyway, I called the Bradford shop, and they sent a catalog to my hotel
(quite a mail system....I called Monday afternoon, I got it Tuesday morning).
A beautiful 4-color brochure.

I ordered one of those 1595 ottavino spinet harpsichord kits, which they sent
to my hotel by overnight courier.  Had it Thursday, left on Sunday.  Airport
security was a little surprised when they saw the thing go through X-ray,
and they made me open it up and show them it was nothing but a few thousand
pieces of wood and some metal wires, but in the end the spinet and I arrived
in NYC safely.  Now if I can find time to build it...

The info for the Early Music Shop is as follows:

	The Early Music Shop
	38 Manngham Lane
	Bradford, West Yorkshire
	BD1 3EA

	(0274) 393753


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