From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Who: clayton@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Onyx)
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 25 Jan 93  08:18:02

What: <105532@netnews.upenn.edu>
Where: alt.atheism
 
O> "I am writing this in hopes that there are some people out
O> there who are willing to listen. I am not trying to convince
O> you of the empirical validity of christianity.
 
There isn't any. Christianity (please note the capitalization,
damn your eyes) is based upon tried and true Pagan religions
that preceeded it. That's a fact, which you can no doubt look
up yourself. Look up Horus, as a start. Now look up Zeus, from
which Jesus gets his name. Now look at Mithraism, and finally
Zorathism. Tah dah! Proof. Sorry to break the facts to you.
 
O> I am merely hoping to expose you true christianity, so that 
O> you will not look to modern day christianity as any testament
O> for what a christian is.
 
"True" as in what you believe. Those other billion Christians
aren't really Christian, right, ole bean? Won't you get damn
lonely up in heaven all by yourself and Jerry Falwell?
 
O> The bible outlines what a christian is. It is riddled with
O> the requisites (not helpful hints mind you) for an individual
O> who wishes to consider him/herself christian."
 
It is riddled with contradictions, impossibilities, previously
known myths, lies, deciet, murder, butchery, child abuse, and it
does not have a single thing new to say that hadn't been said
in times predating it.
 
The only requisite for getting in to heaven, so the bible says,
is by the grace of god. So much for all the Jesus nonsense.
 
O> Unfortunately, most of modern day christianity ignores a good
O> portion of it. To most 'christians' today, God is a one-stop
O> shop; shop on sunday, and forget for the rest of the week.
 
Ah, you're back to the I-am-Christian-They-are-not crap. Silly boy!
 
O> This is not christianity. Christianity is neither the humanist 
O> philosophy that many liberals would claim (although there are
O> many characteristics about a christian as described in the bible,
O> that would fit in perfectly with humanism), nor is it the bastion
O> of tradition and male-dominance that conservatives claim. A
O> christian is neither forceful nor timid. Unfortunately, these
O> polar opposites have turned off many from a beautiful faith.
 
Yeah, yeah. Slavery is and was Biblically supported. Child abuse
is and was also Biblically supported. Oops, I forgot! They aren't
Real Christians (TM).
 
O> Do not be fooled.
 
You don't decieve me a bit. Don't worry.
 
O> If anyone calls himself christian to you, examine his/her life;
O> are they fruitful? Do they bring many to the fold? Are they 
O> generous, kind, graceous, slow to anger, dedicated to God? Do
O> they talk about the bible and church more than anything else?
O> If not, then ignore them as hypocrites.
 
Gee, I'm generous, kind, graceous, slow to anger, and dedicated to
Good, so I'm better than most Christians, by your own scale. Any
one who talks about their mytholody as fact are to be medicated.
 
O> "If you want the 'reason' why we should believe in God, I can not
O> give it. If you want the empiricial justification for the
O> supernatural, the nature of the word empirical forbids such
O> justification. If your heart is open however, to the love that
O> christ died for; the extreme joy and benevolence that can be
O> yours; then please respond to me with your questions. I will not 
O> attempt to prove the existence of God."
 
When you are finished having your LSD flashback here, kindly state
the reason why someone should believe in something that cannot be
seen, measured, observed, or felt in any way. While you're at it,
work on Santa Claus, the Great Pumpkin, and Pink Invisible Unicorns.
 
That you in advance for answering my questions!

--- Maximus 2.01wb