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From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:25:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <gunars.728091450@spssig> gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:
...
>>>1) There are other reasons that you or your friend have not mentioned
>>>why citizenship was denied.  Simply having a non-Latvian father is
>>>not the reason.
>
>>    I believe the official reason was "inadequate language skills",
>>    or something like that - this friend of mine speaks fluent
>>    Latvian, but with - the ultimate speechcrime! - an accent.
>
>Yesterday, the reason was a non-Latvian father and today it is an
>unacceptable accent? 

    Is it so hard to imagine that the accent could have
    something to do with the non-Latvian father?

    The _real_ reason is racial impurity.

    The _official_ reason is "inadequate language skills".









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Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10720 soc.culture.soviet:12396
From: andrei@hanauma.stanford.edu (Andrei Popovici)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The Grand Duchy of Transdniestria?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:43:16 GMT
Organization: Stanford University, Department of Geophysics
NNTP-Posting-Host: hanauma.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan25.224832.12817@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.172930.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi) writes:
>>
>>Reading the Radio Free Europe reports is interesting indeed!
>>The detail below got my attention this time:
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> LEBED URGES TERRITORIAL CHANGES IN MOLDOVA. Lt.-Gen.  Aleksandr
>>> Lebed, commander of Russia's 14th Army in Moldova, warned in
>>> Pravda of 20 January that hostilities may resume "at any moment"
>>  ^^^^^^
>???? I believe said newspaper was closed by Eltsin's decree together 
>with prohibition of communist party. Am I wrong ?

	They are probably referring to the local Pravda.
	Same people, same names...

	Andrei

Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10765 soc.culture.soviet:12453
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:46:10 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <93025.132410BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>, Boris A. Veytsman 
<BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

I am a little disappointed that old prejudices are only repeated.
Still, straight answers to not-so-well informed questions.
 
> A propos, for the ardent defendants of the Latvian (Estonian, Ukrainian,...)
> nationalists-at-power. 

Calling anything one does not know or understand "nationalist" is an
old Soviet prejudice. The opposite of "nationalism" is "internationalism"
in sovok language. "Nationalism" is according to this point of view always
closely related to "fascism" which denotes anything "anti-Soviet".

But, if one decides to look around with open eyes, one notices that
the newly born countries have adapted different kind of politics and
elected different kind of governments.

Lithuania has a leftist government
Estonia has a right wing government
Latvia has something in the middle
Ukraine has got postcommunist Kravchuck government.

But of course, you are not interested in who is in power in these
new states. For your simple mind is enough to label them all
"nationalists". 


> You like to refer to Finland as the well-to-do
> country - result of the emancipation from Russia. 


Finland is definitely a prosperous country - despite the fact that it
is currently facing one of the most serious depressions in it's history.
But Finland was progressive even before the indenpendence. The difference
between Russia and the Grand Duchy of Finland was impressive even
before the Russian "revolution".


> OK. I remember
> there is slight Swedish minority in Finland 


7%, 300.000 Swedes. They are a minority only in numeral sense.


- nothing to compare with
> Russian populace in Baltic & Ukraine. But Finland has two state languages:
> Finnish & Swedish. 


This is the only part of your post that is correct.


> Would not it be a better idea to deny Swedish-speaking
> populace Finland citizenship and press them to emigrate?


That's your splendid idea and you will be left alone with it. You are 
trying to say that the Baltics are pressing the non-citizens to emigrate. 
Well, you should try to substantiate your claim with some evidence. Which 
might be hard.

As a Finn observing the Estonian development before my eyes I can't
help getting the impression that Estonia is starting to resemble
Finland and other Nordic countries more and more.


- Tapani Hietaniemi
From: jlbass@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: higher education admission standards in the ex-ussr
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:19:46 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

	I have a friend who is beginning  research on a dissertation dealing
with admission standards expected for non-foreign students in various
countries. One of the countries is the ex-Soviet Union(all republics),the
others are Germany,Japan,Britain,and China. What he wants to know is "what are
the rules and standards for admission into colleges and universities for
students in these countries" Also information on the number of successful
applicants and the number of total spaces in the colleges of the ex-Soviet
Union for these students would also be appreciated. In other words, he wants
data on admission as well as background type information on the proceedures of
admission. Thanks for any help of this nature that you may be able to give.
		Sincerely,
		John Bass
		(JLBASS@MSUVX1.CC.MEMST.EDU)
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Mutlu, where are YOUR BALLS?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:05:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <9301231941@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.171046.31651@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>>Well... First, the mudlu won't post anything as a followup 
>>to my message, because its coordinator already knows better
>>NOT to argue with me, after I had some fun with it in news.admin.policy.
>
>Is this moron for real? If that does ever happen, look out the window
>and see if there is a new "USSR" in the east. Now that you mention it,
>I have a better advice: stop reading news on this net and return to the 
>zoo where you were born.

Well, that was kinda cool. A friend of mine from Lafayette college told
me not to erase mudlu mail today. Thanx 2 his kindness, I received this
article obviously written with more human (better say subhuman) participation
than the usual mudlu stuff. Real fun is about to begin (maybe).

Pardon me fellow netters for continuing this flame thread, and hear me
mudlu thing. From the foul vapors of aeons of brain decay and computer
torture I summon thee, mudlu the foul, minion of the daemons of the void.
I bid thee to answer: WHERE ARE THY BALLS? Why art thou hiding in the
shit filling evil Cosar bitbucket when thy brothers and sisters art
slain in the Caucasus, as thou falsely claimeth? Why hast not thou joined
the war? Thou art not a man. Thou art not a Turk. Thou hast NO BALLS.
Thou art but filth, and all thy words are futile lies. 

Begone, and be thy coredumped soul > /dev/null

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Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
From: zuma!sera@NET.BIO.NET (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: "qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)" - "news.fascism.policy" strikes again.
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish

In article <kbibb.727819908@maui> kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) writes:

>If you are going to make postings like this, do it once only, and make
>it more informational than sales:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Typical "bibbo" drivel. Disgusting,
you say?


          Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:

"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead
 and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest.  All are the bodies
 of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31
 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing
 uniform.  All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small
 children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children
 cradled in the women's arms.  Several of them, including one small girl, had
 terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they
 saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."
 Anatol Lieven
 The Times (London), 3/3/92

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: good luck to a fellow networker
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:39:47 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

----------- begin forwarded message ----------

KYRGYZSTAN TO OPEN EMBASSY IN JERUSALEM. During his official visit
to Israel, which ended on 21 January, Kyrgyzstan's President Askar
Akaev confirmed that his country's embassy will be located in
Jerusalem rather than Tel-Aviv, because, he said, Jerusalem is
Israel's capital. ITAR-TASS reported that Akaev had added that he
hoped Muslim states would understand the Kyrgyz decision, and
called for the Palestinian people to enjoy independence.
Kyrgyzstan's Foreign Minister Ednan Karabaev confirmed on 21
January the appointment of Dr.Hasan B.Mutlu the Ambassador to
Israel. Welcomed by the Israeli officials, this appointment,
according to sources, has caused certain discontent in Riyadh and
Ankara. During his stint in the USA Dr.Mutlu gained prominence
by a staunch anti-Muslim posture, his ubiquitous motto "Kill Turks
and Kurds No Matter What" having driven bananas more than a few
emotionally unstable networkers.  Toyama Tokanava, RFL/RE, Inc.

----------- end forwarded message ----------
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10722 soc.culture.soviet:12399
From: nobby@hardy.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: s NAU^NOJ TO^KI ZRENIQ, OTKUDA BER$TSQ TAKOE GOWNO, KAK wLADISLAW?
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k22u6INNrd9
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan25.212419.32380@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>In <1993Jan25.191121.13718@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu> milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) writes:
>>
>>BTW, govno ili gavno? I vsegda dumal, chto vtoraia versiia verna.
>>Opinions appreciated.
>
>I am ready to bet $100 that it is spelled GOVNO, not GAVNO. Any takers ?

Isn't it the same root as in GOVYADINA?
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Marxism
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:35:15 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

In article <C1FL1y.FLp@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>            (... a lot of crap, basically) 
>
Yet another Argic ;
"That has nothing to do with the fact that millions of innocent
Americans were slaughtered by Marxists..."


     I'm kinda curious.
     What property of *.soviet newsgroups attracts people with various 
emotional disorders ?  *sigh*
   
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Who did the zhlobs vote for? (Was: Re: My .2*10^(-2) $ (Was: Robert
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:37:30 GMT

In article <93024.091718DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Dimitri Vulis <DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Between the two political >opportunists, I'd pick Bush.

It's a great luck for this country that your pick did not affect the outcome
of the elections.

>>2) Overwealming majority of Soviet immigrants are not welfare hogs (especially
>>those who are already citizens).
>You're wrong here, and I suspect you don't know what your talking about :)
>[Where the heck is 'uiuc'? :) Not anywhere near BB, I bet ]
>The overwhelming majority (90+%) of S.e.s that came here after 1986 are on
>welfare,according to NYANA, and this 'wave' is now beginning to get its citi
>zenship papers. 

What are NYANA's phone or FAX numbers?  I would like to see a
verification of these figures.  I want to know how many ex-Soviets
bewteen the ages of 21 and 55 who are on welfare for over 2 years vs.
the number of ex-Soviets known to live in NY area.  I will even accept
single parents with several dependent children as "fair game".

>hoping that he'll raise their welfare payments.

Clinton specifically campaigned on a welfare reform platform that called for
shrinking the welfare system and forcing those who can work to earn their
living.

>I don't know the percentage of S.e's who came before '81 and are still on
>welfare:  I've seen _a lot_ of them, many working for cash.

What is "a lot"?  All of the ex-Soviets bewteen ages of 21 and 55 that 
I have met in the past 14 years had been (and probably still are) employed
or working on advanced degrees at various universities.  It is improbable
that the East Coast is so different from the West Coast.

[I.e. I think Vulis is making up or misrepresenting the numbers]
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: reply to harkins
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


     
  I received a couple of flaming mail from a person who
  called himself Dan Harkins.
  
  The first one was regarding my request to stop arguing
  with an infamous "tape recorder". The sender used 
  extremely rude slang, which generally might be
  translated to human language as he doesn't care
  and will continue to masturbate.
  
  The second mail was about my TWO posts INTENDED to
  initiate replies from the program.  The reason I
  did it are explained below.
  
  The following is the last mail I received from that
  harkins. Due to his non existent return address
  (how smart this moron is!) I'm forced to post it
  to the Net.
 
  
>From figoo@tebya.s.maslim Thu Jan 21 10:35:07 1993
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:29:24 pst
>To: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu
>Subj:  Dear Genius
>Content-Length: 371
>X-Lines: 14

>Oh great genius (at least you think you are). You bitch and moan about me
>printing the word "m...u" in a post. You bitch and moan about Peter
>Vorobieff doing the same. Yet...you post TWO of said posts! One entitled
>"just a test" and the other entitled "A...c is right".

>Idii v zhopoo, mr. genius.

>You're nothing but a rank hypocrite.

>eat shit and die,

>	Dan Harkins

  I've done it to show to morons like you what are
  you arguing with. On the first post the program
  replied with long quotations (the first post
  was supposedely NEGATIVE). We'll see what the
  reply will be to the absolutely POSITIVE post.
  And I'm sure the reply WILL be posted.
  
  If these two tests will not convince you to stop
  arguing, I promise you to forward ALL "the program's" 
  posts and your foolish replies as well to your account.
  
  
  without any respect to idiots
  S.B.
 
P.S. Tvoritelnyi padezh slova "maslo" pishetsia "maslom",
     kretin. A datelnyi padezh mestoimenija "ty" pishetsia
     "tebe", mudak.
     
     Sdohni.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: verbit@COOLIDGE.HARVARD.EDU ("Mikhail S. Verbitsky")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@INDYCMS.BITNET>

In article <gunars.728091450@spssig> gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:


>goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:


>Nor did I accuse you, Alex, of lying.

        No you did, Lucans. Just ten lines below.

>I simply listed it as one of
>only four possible choices.  I put it towards the end of the list as
>well.  The only choice of lower probability was that there really
>exists legislation barring your friend from being a citizen because
>her father is an ethnic Russian.

>>    I am going to find one of those letters - I get them on
>>    a regular basis - translate it, and post it to this
>>    newsgroup.  It is going to be fun to read, I promise.

>Great, I don't get a chance to read fiction much lately :-).

        There.

        Misha.
From: oleg@NETCOM.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Who did the zhlobs vote for? (Was: Re: My .2*10^(-2) $ (Was:
              Robert
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@INDYCMS.BITNET>

In article <93024.091718DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Dimitri Vulis <DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
 writes:
>Between the two political >opportunists, I'd pick Bush.

It's a great luck for this country that your pick did not affect the outcome
of the elections.

>>2) Overwealming majority of Soviet immigrants are not welfare hogs (especially
>>those who are already citizens).
>You're wrong here, and I suspect you don't know what your talking about :)
>[Where the heck is 'uiuc'? :) Not anywhere near BB, I bet ]
>The overwhelming majority (90+%) of S.e.s that came here after 1986 are on
>welfare,according to NYANA, and this 'wave' is now beginning to get its citi
>zenship papers.

What are NYANA's phone or FAX numbers?  I would like to see a
verification of these figures.  I want to know how many ex-Soviets
bewteen the ages of 21 and 55 who are on welfare for over 2 years vs.
the number of ex-Soviets known to live in NY area.  I will even accept
single parents with several dependent children as "fair game".

>hoping that he'll raise their welfare payments.

Clinton specifically campaigned on a welfare reform platform that called for
shrinking the welfare system and forcing those who can work to earn their
living.

>I don't know the percentage of S.e's who came before '81 and are still on
>welfare:  I've seen _a lot_ of them, many working for cash.

What is "a lot"?  All of the ex-Soviets bewteen ages of 21 and 55 that
I have met in the past 14 years had been (and probably still are) employed
or working on advanced degrees at various universities.  It is improbable
that the East Coast is so different from the West Coast.

[I.e. I think Vulis is making up or misrepresenting the numbers]
--
Oleg Kiselev at home                    ...use the header to find the path