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From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Showboat Pro-Am.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:23:17 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Keywords: PRO-AM

To anyone who shot the Showboat pro-am (Carl?)...what ball did you
get from the pro-am?  When I was in Vegas in December, I saw a pro-
am entry, and it didn't specify what "ball from Ebonite" the entrants 
were going to get.  Was it the Crush/R?  A Vegas local showed us an
Ebonite prototype ball that he thought the pro-am entrants were going 
to get -- it was blue, and had no labeling other than the Ebonite "E"
on it.  The ball looked like a cross between a regular urethane and a
true reactive ball.  It might have been a prototype Crush...
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Great Comeback
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:53:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Last night my team staged one of the most impressive comebacks I have
ever seen.
 
Our league is a 28 point system, 1 point for each match game and 2 points
for each team game.  After the first two games, my team had lost both games,
scored only 5 of a possible 14 points and was down 165 pins in total series
for the night.
 
The third game was a different story!   We rallied and won the total for the
night by 6 pins by bowling 1173 for the team.  We also rallied the total
points for the night and won 16 points for the night.  What is more 
impressive is the fact that the 1173 was bowled with a 200 and a 192 game!
Here is our final game
 
        John  256
        Ed    267
        Rich  192
        Dick  200
        Jerry 258
 
That is truly a great team comeback.
 
Jerry
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Hard Balls ...
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In article <1993Jan25.225725.14148@europa.asd.contel.com> Bob Ashley,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>Bob - OK, so where can *I* get one for Centreville's lanes?   :-)


give ole Barry a call, he should be able to get one..I think they
only retail for around $60.00 a ball..if it's avail, I'm sure Barry
can get it for $40 or so...btw..the core (material) looks like
a white dots.   

Throw a rock...buy a Sports Tec...

OBTW...I got a notice with the balls that in early March, Sports
Tec is releasing a new ball called the "RACK ATTACK"...
what's this ball gonna do?  Kick me in the gonads?



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: CRUSH
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:09:16 GMT

In article <93027.095228MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller, MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>>MARKETING SCHEME.  IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT TO BUY BESIDES A RESIN
>>BALL LET ME KNOW.

eyoow!  How about buying lower case letters?  ;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
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From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: hand position
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:29:15 GMT

In article <93.026.090146@algol.bsa.de> frank@algol.bsa.de (Frank Huemme) writes:
>Hello,
>thats not my first article in this newsgroup, but the first one you will
>seen (so i hope, our newsrfeed hasn't forwarded our articles in the last 4 
>weeks :-(  ).
>Since i baught the RhinoProPurple i have a lot of trouble to pick up the 
>10 Pin. Is it better to buy a cheap, hard plastic ball or, and now its hard to
>explain in an foreign language, to hold the hand straight ??. I mean that the
>finger position is in the way you get no hook.

Personally, I prefer to use a harder ball (Pearl Hammer in my case) and
my normal release, because I can do it more consistently. This works unless
the lanes are fairly dry. (Like if I'm already using the Pearl Hammer for 
my strike shot.) Also big crankers would likely have trouble with it.

Changing your release to kill the hook is good strategy, will work on any
condition, but takes more practice to do it well.
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From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: Showboat Invitational Results
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:20:07 GMT

In article <93026.143249MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller) writes:
>In article <C1G93t.6C0@csi.compuserve.com>, dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
>says:
>>
>>What I'd really like though, is if someone would televise that Kool Shootout
>>that happened last week. If it weren't for Compuserve, I'd have never
>>heard about it.
>
>I ain't on Compuserve; I didn't hear about it.  What Kool Shootout?
>

yah, I knew someone would ask...it was in the middle of the week at the 
Showboat. Another "Skins Game" type deal like NBC had a couple times in past
years. I didn't save the article, details are a bit hazy. The participants
were Monacelli, Roth, Ozio, Holman (?) and...one other guy. Went something
like 15 frames. Everyone won some $, Monacelli came out on top with something
like $13K.

I can't believe anyone would bother to sponsor this *without* the intent to
televise it, we should keep our eyes open...maybe it'll show up on ESPN
sometime soon.
From: cosell@world.std.com (Bernie Cosell)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: hand position
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:58:58 GMT
Organization: Fantasy Farm, Pearisburg, VA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Frank Huemme (frank@algol.bsa.de) wrote:

} Since i baught the RhinoProPurple i have a lot of trouble to pick up the 
} 10 Pin. Is it better to buy a cheap, hard plastic ball or, and now its hard to
} explain in an foreign language, to hold the hand straight ??. I mean that the
} finger position is in the way you get no hook.

It is hard to firure out what 'best' means here, since both are
reasonable approaches to straightening out your shot, and that is
certainly a reasonable plan for making spares.  I'll note in
passing that whereas you only asked about the 10-pin, I think that
the best tack is to use a straight-shot for *ALL* spares unless
having your ball hook really increases the chances of making the
spare.  Just think: you won't EVER again miss a 7 pin because your
ball got hung up on the oil in the middle of the lane...

As for the question at hand, I prefer flattening my wrist and
killing the lift, and I just use whatever strike-ball I happen to
be using.  This has two big advantages: first, it means I have one
fewer balls to worry about / carry around / waste space on the rack
with; second, even a spectacularly hard ball will usually react
a little bit, and that's just nuisance you _don't_ need shooting
spares.  [I mean, what if the lanes are real real dry and
you're *using* the hard plastic ball?  then what do you do about
spares??]

  /Bernie\
-- 
Bernie Cosell                               cosell@world.std.com
Fantasy Farm Fibers, Pearisburg, VA         (703) 921-2358
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: West Coast AKI?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:31:51 GMT

In article <24877@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> Anne Locke, locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com writes:
>Last Friday afternoon I was in my local pro shop getting my new purple
>hammer drilled.  There was another guy in there buying an Excalibur.
>The name inscribed on the ball was AKI.  I did a double take at him
>but remembered Aki's comments on the Excalibur... I believe it was
>something like "I wouldn't recommend one to the opposing team".  So
>this must be another (West Coast) Aki!


hmmmm sounds like one of my groupies...either that or one of
those cheap foreign imitations...accept only the original!

;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: carl@wrs.com (Carl Chesbrough)
Subject: Re: Showboat Pro-Am.
Keywords: PRO-AM
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:03:59 GMT

mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:

>To anyone who shot the Showboat pro-am (Carl?)...what ball did you
>get from the pro-am?  When I was in Vegas in December, I saw a pro-
>am entry, and it didn't specify what "ball from Ebonite" the entrants 
>were going to get.  Was it the Crush/R?  A Vegas local showed us an
>Ebonite prototype ball that he thought the pro-am entrants were going 
>to get -- it was blue, and had no labeling other than the Ebonite "E"
>on it.  The ball looked like a cross between a regular urethane and a
>true reactive ball.  It might have been a prototype Crush...

Yes, it was the CRUSH/R.  It is an orange color.  I have seen a BLUE
CRUSH (no /R) in the pro-shop where I bowl.  The difference is the
BLUE is not the "reactive" ball.  I have had it drilled and it works
pretty well, although last night in league it got stuck in the ball
return (no damage) and I was told that if I used any "reactive"
ball that it was at my own risk of having the ball damaged by the
equipment.  I went back to my purple hammer the rest of the night
and still had a 570 (182 188 206).  Too bad tonight is my FBL night.

-carl.
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: CRUSH
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:46:54 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <93026.195034GAB118@psuvm.psu.edu> <GAB118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>MY QUESTION IS I WANT TO BUY A NEW BALL BUT I DO NOT WANT WANT A CHEATER
>BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT ONE CHEATER IS ALMOST THE SAME AS ANOHTER.  WHAT
>I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW GOOD OF THE BALL IS THE CRUSH OR IS IT JUST ANOHER
>MARKETING SCHEME.  IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT TO BUY BESIDES A RESIN
>BALL LET ME KNOW.

Assuming that you aren't looking for reactive resin, the Ebonite Crush
(not the Crush/R) may be a possibility, since it is composed of standard
urethane.  The blue (not teal) Rhino Pro is another choice.  These are the
latest non-reactive shelled balls to come out; some earlier releases may
also fill your need/want as well.

"How good of a ball" are they?  Hard to say, since I feel that that depends
more on the bowler than any equipment s/he owns.

It is difficult to suggest what equipment a person who "wants" a new ball
should buy, since anything could actually be what s/he "needs".  Your best 
course of action would be to determine what your game is lacking, then 
re-ask your question with the specific requirements you want to fulfill.
For example, since you asked, I'd suggest getting a Columbia Yellow Dot;
it's *my* favorite ball, it's not reactive resin, and it's generally a 
bargain ball (in the bowling world today).  However, I'm ~100% sure that
it isn't a ball that you *want*.  But if you were to say that you bowled
often on medium-to-dry conditions with moderate backends, I'd endorse the
Yellow Dot in earnest.  So give the asb'er's a little more information to 
work with, and I'm sure that you'll receive more than a sufficient amount
of excellent suggestions.
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Dontcha just hate it when it happens...
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:30:57 GMT

In article <1jeo65INN54n@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>Friday night I was having fun... Just couldn't miss... got 6 in a row going
>into the 9th frame and get tapped... good ole 10 pin... ok.. I can live with
>a 244.  My second game was a joke... every hit in the pocket... carried on
>the right lane and got tapped on the left one... 186.  Third game I got
>tapped on the first ball, a 6 pin, and dummy me missed it... oh well...
>I throw the next 7 in a row and then once again... solid hit 10 pin...
>Ok... so now I have lost my 700... finished with a 245 and a 675 series...
>Damn taps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



...arrrgh Dave you beat me _again_!...

223,224,224   671 set....missed a triplicate by a stubbord SEVEN pin
that spun and _walked_ over to the four pin position and stood!...

gotta love it...



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: hand position
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:59:38 GMT

In article <C1Hv2A.HHC@world.std.com> Bernie Cosell, cosell@world.std.com writes:


>As for the question at hand, I prefer flattening my wrist and
>killing the lift, and I just use whatever strike-ball I happen to
>be using.  This has two big advantages: first, it means I have one
>fewer balls to worry about / carry around / waste space on the rack
>with; second, even a spectacularly hard ball will usually react
>a little bit, and that's just nuisance you _don't_ need shooting
>spares.  [I mean, what if the lanes are real real dry and
>you're *using* the hard plastic ball?  then what do you do about
>spares??]


Bernie brings up an interesting point.  I want to state that although
I don't recommend using more than one ball for both your strike
and spare shots, sometimes it becomes necessary.  The only reason
I don't recommend using two different balls is that it is very
hard for most people (IMHO) to adjust to two different balls.
Most balls, even if drilled with the same measurements, can be 
quite different in _feel_.  This difference can be uncomfortable and
detract from your concentration to pick up the spare.  There are
times, though that using a second ball becomes almost necessary.
For example, Dranesville BowlAmerica here in the D.C. area, is notorious
for have sahara like conditions Monday nights.  If I leave a ten pin
I CANNOT pick it up with a soft urethane  or reactive resin ball, it
is so dry out the last 15 feet, I just can't keep the ball on the lane
far enough to hit the ten pin, or the ball hooks across the lane.  This is
with little or no rev's on the ball, and with as much max speed I can
muster up.  Instead I use a polished up Black Knight.  Which works
perfectly thankyouverymuch....

;-)



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
From: 34MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: New Info for old Bowler
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:10:56 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Well I have been out of bowling for 5 or so years and just started
back up. I see several articles with references to terms that I
am ignorant of. Things such as pin (in reference to ball drilling),
reactive resin, etc. What is all this?

By the way I am a fairly decent bowler and am fairly knowledgeable
about the sport. I am carrying a 160 average but used to carry
around 180. I throw a full roller and concentrate on accuracy
rather than the big hook. Used to throw the big one but found
I could be more consistant this way. Besides I shot 289 against
Dave Soutar in a tournament once so I am happy. If you do not
know who Dave is then you are too young. :-)

I appreciate any comments. Thanks,

Rick LaFay               rlafay on BIX           ACIS Computers
(517) 773-6490                                   (616) 587-8827
Mt. Pleasant Mich.                               Mancelona, Mich.
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: FREE RHINOPRO BOWLING BALLS!
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:15:02 GMT



Ha ha I LIED!  ;-)

I just couldn't post all day and had to get it out of my system..


never mind...

gawd you guys have no sense of humor at all...

sheesh..



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aeik@cwis.unomaha.edu (Angela M. Eikenberry)
Subject: collegiate bowling
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:39:03 GMT

I always thought this communicating through the computer stuff was kind 
of nerdy, but hey, this is a great way to communicate.  I bowl for the 
University of Nebraska at Omaha.  Is there anyone out there who bowls 
for their university too?  Do I know you?  Are you going to Phoenix in a 
couple of weeks?

A. Eikenberry


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From: rmiller@vnet.ibm.com (Rob Miller)
Subject: Re: BuzzSaw
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:29:32 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17c by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rmiller@vnet.ibm.com (Rob Miller)
Organization: IBM Mid Hudson Valley Programming Lab

In <1993Jan22.033426.23672@watson.ibm.com> jurrie@jurrie.uithoorn.ibm.com (jurrie lulofs) writes:
>I was fortunate enough to be the first one in the world to
>get Richie Sposato's new BuzzSaw last month.  Richie currently
>lives in Lelystad, the Netherlands, where he has Pro Shop.
>
>Has anyone in the U.S. seen this ball yet?  The ball was
>designed by Richie Sposato.  It has a diamond shaped weight
>block.  The ball is marketed by his own company called "Lane #1",
>based outside of Syracuse, NY.
>

  The local regional pro at my lanes has been using the BuzzSaw for
the past 3-4 weeks.  The lanes are pretty slick so he keeps the ball
with a dull finish. He has been averaging about 230 with it.
It seems to be one of the few reactive-resin balls that actually
hooks in heavy oil.

-Rob Miller         rmiller@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:52:28 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: CRUSH

In article <93026.195034GAB118@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GAB118@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>MARKETING SCHEME.  IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT TO BUY BESIDES A RESIN
>BALL LET ME KNOW.

The way Northland has been setup this week you'd do well to get one of those
Sporttec ROCK balls that Aki has been so impressed with.  You know the lanes
are "hooking out of the house" when I can walk in a win the King of the Hill
like I did last night.  Dry lanes; ya gotta love 'em!  The drier the better!!!
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 3rd round, 24 game pinfall totals
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:37:16 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

Ok you lefties, no complaints now, ya hear??? ;)

In article <93021.43649.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>  1. Mike Aulby-5662.  2. Parker Bohn III-5514.  3. Justin Hromek-5479.
>4. Hugh Miller-5454.  5. Johnny Petraglia-5375.  6. Tony Figuiera
>7. Jimmy Keeth.  8. Brad Snell & Ricky Ward.  10. Bryan Goebel.
>11. David Ozio.  12. John Mazza.  13. Jess Stayrook.  14. Bob Davidson.
>15. Alan Bishop.  16. Jason Couch.  17. Kirk Von Krueger.  18. Randy Pedersen.
>19. Joe Firpo.  20. Ken Muscato.  21. Walter Ray Williams Jr.
>22. Robert Lawrence.  23. Mike Miller.  24. Bob Spaulding.  25. Marc McDowell.
>
>

Let's see, top 2, 4 out of top 5, 5 out of top 6, 7 out of top 9,
and at least 11 out the top 25 after 24 games are lefties.  It'll 
be interesting to see who's there after the cut.

Vince, it was your shot!  I wonder how long it'll be before you guys
get it again??? ;)
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: West Coast AKI?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Howdy Bowlers!

Last Friday afternoon I was in my local pro shop getting my new purple
hammer drilled.  There was another guy in there buying an Excalibur.
The name inscribed on the ball was AKI.  I did a double take at him
but remembered Aki's comments on the Excalibur... I believe it was
something like "I wouldn't recommend one to the opposing team".  So
this must be another (West Coast) Aki!

;-)

BTW, Could NOT keep that hammer on the lane that Saturday at Gable House.
Sahara like conditions again.  I'm going to go early tonite & bowl b4
my league and try a line around the 15 board if it's still as dry.  There's
usually SOME oil in the middle!

Anne.

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