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From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Bosna
Date: 2 Oct 1992 19:28:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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RTw  09/29 1143  Serbs reject massacre allegation, challenge Bush
    BELGRADE, Sept 29, Reuter - The leader of the Bosnian Serbs on Tuesday
rejected U.S. allegations that his troops had massacred 3,000 Bosnian Moslems
and challenged U.S. President George Bush to produce the evidence.
    In a statement issued by his office, Radovan Karadzic said the U.S. State
Department had been "duped by unsubstantiated Moslem propaganda."
    State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said on Monday Washington had new
witnesses to corroborate reports that as many as 3,000 Bosnian Moslems were
executed at Serbian-run detention camps near the town of Brcko last May-June.
    While admitting "large gaps in our knowledge of what transpired in Brcko,"
Boucher called it the worst atrocity of the brutal war in Bosnia-Herzegovina
that Washington had been able to verify.
    Karadzic's statement, sent by fax to Reuters in Belgrade from his
headquarterws at Pale, outside Sarajevo, referred to 200 Serb civilians who his
side says were killed by the Moslems last week.
    "On the very morning we bury 200 Bosnian Serb civilians, victims of vicious
and deliberate Moslem slaughter," it said, "all we have from the U.S. State
Department is a totally unsubstantiated claim of 3,000 victims for which there
exists not one scrap of credible evidence or proof.
    "I make a direct challenge to President Bush. Produce the evidence you have
for this alleged massacre and together we will hunt and arrest the culprits. I
will then hand them over immediately for trial by the international community.
    "If there really is evidence for this then we must act and I expect to hear
from the White House."
    The statement concluded: "If, as I suspect, the U.S. State Department is
making statements based on hearsay from a couple of 'witnesses' with a vested
interest, and ignoring the reality of 200 Bosnian Serb civilians dead from just
one skirmish, then God help us all."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Refugees in Serbia
Date: 27 Sep 1992 18:39:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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According to data diffused yesterday by the Serbian Red Cross,there are 421,009
registered refugees in Serbia.However, Red Cross officialls estimate that there
are at least 150,000 unregistered refugees as well.The official figures include
258,683 refugees from Bosnia.Over 40% of all displaced persons are children
under the age of 18.
(Politika, September 22, 1992.)
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Jos Hrvatska ni propala
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:27:16 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


>Jos Hrvatska ni propala dok mi zivimo.


   Croat ___ will not disappear as long as we live...
   Could someone provide a translation for the word "jos"!?


>That goes without saying. How come the Serbs think they can create all
>this warfare and not get away with it? Try as you may, the Croats will never
>surrender and inch of its territory. Meaning : ALL CONQUERED TERRITORIES
>IN CROATIA WILL BE RETURNED. Well no Greater Serbia this time.


   Well, Croatia has already lost one-third of its territory
   as a result of the stupidity and ruthlessness of its leadership.
   Therefore, you've already missed the boat, Cro.  Those territories
   within Croat boundaries which are populated predominantly by
   Serbs will not, can not, and should not be returned.  So long
   as these dangerous nationalists and genocide-apologists are
   ensconced in power in Zagreb, the life of every Serb is in danger.
   There will not be peace in Croatia until a change of government
   is effected.


>- Chicago Cro

-- Eduard Wiener
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Foreigners-moslem troopers
Date: 27 Sep 1992 18:14:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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"Seven foreign moslem fighters(infiltrated in Bosnia) were killed when a gre-
nade hit their convoy" stated on Monday one of the survivors to the Reutter
reporter.Hakkan Uzoon a Turkish Khurd, revealed that in his group there were 12
"Mujahedeens" and two nurses.The seven victims were buried in the Beshir Babba
Mosque in Mostar.The seven mercenaries were killed in Mostar during an attack
launched by Serbian forces last Thursday, while the convoy was being searched
by local Croatian authorities.The Croatian Defense Council from Mostar confi-
rmed these details about the incident.
(Borba, September 22, 1992)
From: stojanov@husc9.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: USTASHA MASSACRES
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:56:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep26.105639.15861
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep26.091858.15860@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc9.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>
>	Zlatko is reading Prof. Wickerhauser and hardly anything else.
>Sajmiste, the camp where Jews from Serbia were taken was on the territory
>of WWII Croatia.  Gestapo ( Not a Serbian organisation ) was running it
>up to 1944, when it was given to Croats for "camp closing" whatever does that
>mean.   Germans used to take prisoners and kill them ( Germans ! ) 
>back to the territory of occupied Serbia, Jajinci, Jewish Cemetery, etc.  
>What is only true here is that some members of special police helped 
>Germans to track down Jews that were hidding.  Those hopefully met
						~~~~~~

To avoid potential "joke" by Prof. Wickerhauserlings and -likes, one 
explanation:  "those" refers to special police members that helped 
Germans in taking away Serbian Jews.

 
>their deserved punishment. 

Milan N. Stojanovic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Massacre
Date: 3 Oct 1992 20:47:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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In the past three days alone, moslem troopers have killed, slaughtered or
burned alive 80 Serbian civilians in the Vlasenica/Milici county.
On Thursday, some 2,000 troopers invaded the village of Podravanje(located
half way between Vlasenica and Milici) where they set fire to all Serbian
homes and killed any Serb they captured.Serbian soldiers are still pulling
out the victims from that village, of which 35 have been identified.
Yesterday morning, a new massacre has been committed in the village of Nede-
ljista and on the Rogostija Hill near Vlasenica. 27 Serbs have been killed,
22 wounded and a large number of Serbs are still listed as missing.
(Vecernje Novosti, September 29, 1992.)
From: stojanov@husc9.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: USTASHA MASSACRES
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:18:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep26.091858.15860
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <92269.143547U15231@uicvm.uic.edu> U15231@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>I also assume that this group is filled with netters whose relatives has
>been killing Jews in Nedic's Serbia (1st. Jew-free state in Europe,
>as Nedic declared) during 2.WW, and also butchering Muslims in Bosnia
>today.Does your "humanity" address those victims or you are a perfect
>example of brain-washed cattle who doesn't even take time to study the
>history of Balkans before taking Serbian propaganda position.
>
>
>>
>>-- Eduard Wiener
>
>Read Eduard, read....
>
>
>Zlatko Sijercic

	Zlatko is reading Prof. Wickerhauser and hardly anything else.
Sajmiste, the camp where Jews from Serbia were taken was on the territory
of WWII Croatia.  Gestapo ( Not a Serbian organisation ) was running it
up to 1944, when it was given to Croats for "camp closing" whatever does that
mean.   Germans used to take prisoners and kill them ( Germans ! ) 
back to the territory of occupied Serbia, Jajinci, Jewish Cemetery, etc.  
What is only true here is that some members of special police helped 
Germans to track down Jews that were hidding.  Those hopefully met 
their deserved punishment. 
	BTW, is it the same Zlatko who introduced himself with the history of
Bosnia like this: " There was Kulinban, then I have heard there was Tvrtko"
and nothing more?  
 
	Yes, read Zlatko, read ... 
	

Milan N. Stojanovic
	
	P.S. The other truth is that Serbia was declared as a "clean of Jews"
country, but by German officer in charge of doing that . That is usually 
attributed to the harshness of German regime in Serbia ( one of the worse in
occupied Europe ) and by having exact lists of Jews ( who hoped that being 
a peaceful and obeying citisens would mean life ).  The exact comparison
of racist policy of Croatia and Serbia ( besides that one of them was
independent, recognised and even exchanged ambassadors with few countries )
could be seen on the case of Gypsies, who refused to give in.  Of 
~14.000 Gypsies on the territories of WWII Croatia, 500 survived.  Of the 
overall number of Gypsies in Yugoslavia ( ~70.000 ) their number actually 
grew after the WWII ( Tudjman " Wastelands of Historical Reality").  In the
case of Jews in Croatia, they were fortunate that Italia occupied Dalmatia,
so that was a way out for them ( that did not help a lot of them ). Few
years ago I read that that was a way out for some Serbian Jews, who 
were given false documents ( from school authorities ), taken to Montenegro,
where Italians were also in power. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:8898 soc.culture.greek:9321
From: ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC)
Subject: Drina III
Summary: Drina is Border between Croatia and Serbia!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:37:45 GMT


	Bosna is not a muslim nation, its also not a miniture
	Yugoslavia. Historically, ethnically and geographically
	it IS part of Croatia.

	Za Dom Spremni!
From: pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: OCTOBER 29, 1990 - A DATE TO REMEMBER
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:47:50 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158


  Seeing that Mr. Andrej Brodnik continues to spread disinformation in his
regular monthly posting - "Active South Slavic Mailing Lists" - despite
my having pointed out to him an inaccuracy in that post back in May, I
wish to clarify one thing.

  The first isssue of "tjednik Vreme" was published on October 29, 1990,
and not "in the fall of 1989" as Mr. Brodnik would like the 15,000 people
who read scy to believe.

  In his September post "Active South Slavic Mailing Lists", Mr. Brodnik 
reiterated his inaccurate date of publication of the first issue of "tjednik 
Vreme". Judging his character, I have come to the conclusion that he will most 
probably repeat this inaccuracy in his monthly post for October, and 
henceforth for the sake of truth, I reiterate:

  THE DATE OF PUBLICATION OF THE FIRST ISSUE OF THE MAGAZINE "VREME" IS
			   OCTOBER 29, 1990


Regards,
Milan Pavlovic
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Banja Luka
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:36:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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The Catholic Bishop of Banja Luka- Dr. Franjo Komarica - condemned the massacre
of civilians that took place on September 18, 1992. in the village of Saradre,
some 9 kilometers from the town of Kotor Varos.
Croatian-moslem units killed at least 15 villagers including women and children
"Men that committed such an atrocity clearly demonstrated their inhumanity"
stated with consternation Bishop Komarica in the communique he issued.

(Politika Ekspres, SEptember 19, 1992.)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9021 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:248
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Hercegovina
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:20:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Nothing is known of the fate of 10,000 Serbs from the city of Mostar, said
Serbian Bishop Atanasije Jeftic, bishop of the Zahumsko-Hercegovina Bisho-
pric.In the Bishop's report to the Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church,
the Bishop details the tragedy faced by the Serbs in Hercegovina in three 
major localities.
"Orthodox churches have been destroyed in 35 localities, 30 priests have had 
to escape,the Serbian population has eitherbeen massacred or taken to concen-
tration camps, but the major part survived by fleeing to the free zones in
eastern Hercegovina." said the Bishop.He claims that of the 55,000 Orthodox
Serbs of the bishopric almost half are now refugees- mostly those from the
western bank of the river Neretva and from the Mostar region.
"Many Serbian men from Mostar have been taken to concentration camps in Grude,
Ljubuski and Split or to the MOstar prison," observed Bishop Atanasije.He also
warned that there has been confirmation of a concentration camp in Duvno where
280 women and children are being held, much as the case in Livno.
He also pointed to Dubrovnik from where some 4000 Serbs have fled to Trebinje
which is under constant attack of Croatian artillery.In fact, during the 
attacks, grenades fall in the immediate vicinity of the Monastery Tvrdosa,
where Bishop Atanasije resides.
Bishop Atanasije called the destruction of the WWII Memorial and church for
the victims of the Ustasha massacre in Prebilovci the most telling examples
of the situation.Prebilovci was the scene where 300 Serbian children were
massacred by the Croatian Ustasha Nazi party.Their remains were excavated
nearly 50 years later, an event recorded in the film documentary "Here are
our children" produced in 1990.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: de2j@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Davor  Ebling)
Subject: Serbs; nice guys
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:24:15 GMT

    NEW YORK (AP) - A 5-year-old boy who swats at imaginary flies
after having watched his older brother's mutilated body decay is a
tragic example of the Balkan civil war's effect on children, a
UNICEF emissary said Wednesday.
    Dr. T. Berry Brazelton, who recently returned from a four-day
trip to the war-shattered republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina and
neighboring Croatia, said the children are so deeply scarred they
could erupt with a repetition of the violence and torture they've
witnessed.
    ``No treatment will help until this terrible war has been
brought to an end,'' Brazelton said in an account of the trip,
sponsored by the United Nations Children's Fund.
    Brazelton is a pediatrician at Harvard Medical School and is
widely known for his books and television programs of advice to
parents.
    The violence and torture has no justification, so ``there's no
way the children can make sense of it,'' he said in an interview.
``That calls up primitive feelings in children, feelings it's their
fault, that if I were a good kid this wouldn't be happening to
me.''
    Brazelton was asked by UNICEF to help devise a program of
emergency care for the children of the civil war in what was once
Yugoslavia.
    With Brazelton's help, UNICEF's director James Grant said he was
able to get the warring parties to agree to a ``week of
tranquillity'' in November to allow blankets, clothes and food to
be shipped to the children.
    Previous efforts at a truce have stalled, but Grant said UNICEF
has arranged brief truces in places like El Salvador, Sri Lanka,
Uganda and Iraq.
    ``It's worth a try, and both the regular leaders and the leader
of the Bosnian Serbs and his principal assistants have agreed,''
Grant said. ``I talked to them all on this mission, and we'll
see.''
    Brazleton said that when the Serbs invaded, the 5-year-old boy's
family was lined up and his older brother's hands were cut off in
front of them. The brother was shot and left in the street in front
of the family's home.
    The brother's pregnant wife was then brought before the family.
``Her belly was opened by a long cut, which allowed her fetus to
fall out and hang by its cord,'' Brazelton wrote. She was hanged.
    Flies swarmed over her, her fetus and the boy's brother, who
were left to lie in front of the family. For days the boy remained
glued to the window, before the family escaped to a refugee camp,
where Brazelton met them.
    ``Ever since they escaped,'' Brazelton wrote, ``this child has
been screaming about flies at night, brushing them away all day
long.''
    AP-NY-10-01-92 1403EDT
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From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Gorazde
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:50:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Yesterday, some 1,500 refugees from the right bank of the river Drina in the
Gorazde zone, left for Cajnice and Pljevlja headed for Serbia and Montenegro.
According to Serbian soldiers, there are no more Serbs in the town of Gorazde.
According to refugees they all fled before the advancing moslem "Green Berets"
that kill any Serb they find.
(Politika Ekspres, September 22, 1992)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males)
Subject: Re: Fascists on the net
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:19:35 GMT

In <717880079@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>genocide under the carpet.  You may pretend to be a Christian,
>but you clearly do not understand what Christendom is really
>about.  God does not take sides in political conflicts.  You
	So what is Christianity about? Is it about holding people at gun point,
	telling them they have the "option" of signing over their land to the
	Serbs? It is it about keeping people in camps, or just killing them,
	or just bombing countless cities until there is nothing left? You see,
	Serbia used to control all the media, all the images coming out of the
	former Yugoslavia. That no longer happens. Serbia cannot have
	any credibility now, while it continues aggression, and while the other
	parties in the war between neighbouring countries have the ability to
	speak as well. Cries of "innocent" don't wash while the pictures on the
	TV screens show what they do. 



>Ebal ya v rot tvoju fashistsko-horvatskuju boltovnju.

	Facists? Had a look at Slobo lately?


John
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in ex-Yugoslav republics?
Summary: Help wanted for English teaching job in Croatia or Slovenia.
Keywords: teach, English, Yugoslav
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:01:41 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in Slovenia or Croatia in
1993.  I have a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as
well as experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South
Africa and, ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or on my arrival
in Croatia or Slovenia.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: svedja@lysator.liu.se (Dejan Ilic)
Subject: Re: Drina II
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Association, Link|ping Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:49:18 GMT

Are YOU ready to stand in the front line to do it , getting a bullet in your back putting you in a chair for all of your life , or walking over a mine cutting you legs or .. 

Don't just talk , would like to se you in action. It's easy say anything there in the safe US

By the way have you thought about the thing that Serbs in B&H are maybe fighting people just like you ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: cs5f@poe.acc
Subject: serbs sending weapons to yu
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:59:21 GMT

Subject: 6 face federal charges for sending weapons to Yugoslavia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:02:47 PDT

	CHICAGO (UPI) -- The Justice Department Wednesday charged six people
with conspiring to ship firearms and ammunition to the former
Yugoslavia, reportedly for Serbian nationals who had been fighting the
communist regime even before the current Bosnia-Hercegovina war.
	U.S. Attorney Fred Foreman announced indictments in the case,
alleging the suspects conspired between April 1991 and October 1991 to
violate the Arms Export Control Act and various federal firearms laws.
	The charges stemmed from the seizure of more than 300 firearms and
thousands of rounds of ammunition in 1991 at O'Hare International
Airport. Authorities found the weapons and ammunition hidden in an air-
freight shipment being sent from O'Hare.
	Suspects indicted Wednesday included licensed arms-dealer Richard
Tylkowski, 65, as well as his son, Timothy; Bajro and Avdo Hukic; Jovica
Jovanovic and Alexander Nikolic.
	Foreman said authorities charged the Tylkowskis with receiving and
possessing five unregistered, Mac-11 9mm fully automatic machine guns.
	The Justice Department also indicted the elder Tylkowski for
allegedly filing false reports of firearms sales, as well as making
false statements to federal agents in an attempt to conceal the alleged
conspiracy.
	Authorities indicted the other four suspects on violation of the Arms
Export Control Act, as well as on conspiracy counts.
From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Moslems massacred 25 Serbs
Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:59:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Yesterday around 5PM, on the MIljevina-Kalinovik road, near the village of
Paprati, moslem "Green Berets" committed terrible massacre of Serbian civili-
ans.In fact they ambushed a vehicle with 25 civilians on board.They brutally
killed all of them and then burned the bodies.
(Vecernje Novosti, September 22 1992.)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:8897 soc.culture.greek:9318
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Apostle from D'MBENI
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:14:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


Sorry for the late reply but wanted to mention something on this article:

In article <9225412.10282@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:
>
>THE APOSTLE FROM D'MBENI
>
>   Lazar Pop Traykov was born in 1878 in the village D'mbeni,
>in the Kostur district of the Aegean part of Macedonia. He was
>one of the supreme Macedonian apostles and revolutionaries in
>the struggle for freedom and human rights of the Macedonian
>nation.

The last words are modern invention. The rest is correct. The leaders of
the uprising in the Kostour region were Lazar Poptraikov, Vassil
Chekalarov, Pando Klyashev, Manol Rozov and Mihail Nikolov, who after the
uprizing have sent a letter to the foreign consuls in Bitola. Amonsts other
facts this report contains information about the burning of 23 Bulgarian
villages and gives the names of old people, women and children killed or
captured by regular soldiers and bashibozouks. Together with the report,
the leaders had sent a map of the distrit, which indicates that practically
all the villages in the region are Bulgarian. A very interesting report by
the leaders of the uprising.

Best regards

Luben