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From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: La distinction de moins en moins evidente
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:42:43 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Sep11.143423.2501@bcrka451.bnr.ca> janick@bnr.ca writes:
>Je regardais la television hier soir et j'ai ete frappe par la
>non-distinctivite de la programmation francophone:
>
>- Jeopardy (Prononcer Ge-o-par-di) une imitation parfaite de
>  l'original (sauf que les sommes d'argent sont 10x moindre :-)
>
>- La Roue de Fortune une autre imitation parfaite (sauf que les
>  concurrents n'ont pas encore appris a demander les RTNLSE)
>
>- La Guerre des Clans (?) une autre copie de "Family Feud". Les
>  phrases en canne de l'animateur sont meme une traduction directe
>  de ce que R. Dawson disait. En plus, il encourage la foule et
>  les participants en balancant son poing et criant (ou-ou-oou)
>  exactement comme Arsenio Hall.
>
>- Coup de Foudre est une pauvre variation du "Dating Game".

A moins qu'il n'y ait egalement une version quebecoise de ces
emissions (je n'ai pas de TV, donc je ne sais pas), ce sont des
emissions francaises (i.e., de France).

>- Musique Plus n'a rien de different de Much Music

Les deux stations appartiennent au meme proprietaire.
Y'a moins de rap a Musique Plus.

>Chaque ville (ou presque :-) a maintenant son festival de Jazz
>(Montreal, Jonquiere, Rimouski, autres?) qui sont tres populaires.
>Le Jazz est la musique des noirs des etats du sud, pas des Quebecois.
>Tant mieux s'ils l'aiment et en font. La derniere fete de la St-Jean
>a Montreal avait un spectable de jeunes groupes de Rap. Quebecois ca ?
>Mais si! Distinct ? NON!

Voyons donc. On vit quand meme sur la meme planete, et en plus nous
sommes tous des occidentaux. C'est bien normal qu'il y ait beacoup de
chose en commun. 

>Quand je vois les leaders nationalistes brandir l'epouvantail
>anglophone et/ou immigrant comme la menace a la culture Quebecoise,
>quelle farce!  La culture Quebecoise est en changement, l'a toujours
>ete et le sera toujours et le principal responsable est la facilite de
>communiquer.  L'epouvantail attire les votes, un point c'est tout.

Primo, les supposes "leaders nationalistes" ne font plus cela depuis
quelques decenies, du moins, pas les plus intelligents et les plus
credibles. 

De plus, la technique de toujours preceder le mot "quebecois" de
"nationaliste" est egalement une techinque d'"epouventail". En plus,
c'est "cheap".

Ca ne prends pas un pouvoir de deduction sherlockholmesse pour
constater que la societe quebecoise est definitivement "distincte" de
la societe canadienne anglaise. La langue, et surtout les mentalites.
C'est pas parce que des emissions televisees idiotes copiees sur les
amerloques passent egalement ici que c'est different.
-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
        Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754     Facsimile: (613) 592-4784
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
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From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Please help me on Health Care project
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:25:00 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

Hi.  I am a sr. at Merrimack College in North Andover, MA and i am working
on a research project comparing Canada's Universal Health Care with the
US's health care system.
I am wondering if Canadiens will tell me their opinions on the Canadian 
health system ( including any personal experiences).

Also, I would like some questions answered.
Is a government obliged to provide health care for all of its citizens?
Should the current health care sytem in Canada be modified in any way?
For example, should Canada initiate an American style health system?
Please suggest other changes in the Canadian system drawing from personal
experience.

For Americans, I am looking for comments on our health care system.
Should our system be modified in any way?  
Should we make Universal Health Care the law, like Canada did?

Please feel free to e-mail me on these topics.  Any input of
any political beliefs would be appreciated.
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Co-ops and Employee Owned Businesses
Date: 12 Sep 1992 08:38:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


   I am doing a project on comparing cooperatives and employee
owned businesses here in U.S. with those in Canada.

Any information on Canadian businesses of this type would
be appreciated, thanks.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.184448.1820@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
>>In article <1992Sep8.144121.13595@epas.toronto.edu> gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes:
>>>Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
>>>is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
>>>figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
>>>booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
>>>at least $70 Billion.
>>And what's the figures for their assets?  (And those of
>>Ontario Hydro?)
>Forgive me, but I do not understand the relevance of the question. ...

 I interpret the question as an attempt to put the raw dollar figures
 into perspective relative to the size of the economy.  I would put
 it this way: what are Ontario's current and projected deficits and
 accumulated debt as percentages of provincial gross domestic product?
 And how to those percentages compare tho those for other provinces,
 Canada as a whole, and the US?
From: medusa@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Telnet Poll on the Constitution
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:23:37 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

All this talk on polling has inspired me to call for all interested
parties to participated in a telnet poll on the proposed new consti-
tution.  I want to know whether 
         1.  Whether you are goint to vote yes or no
         2.  What determined your response.  Please make this short,
             for example,"I voted no because I reject senate reform.
         3.  I want to know what part of the country you are from.

If I get a reasonable number of responses I will post the result. Then
we can compare the results to the actual outcome.
              Thanks in advance Susan.
From: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

medusa@ac.dal.ca writes:

>> I have just read recently that Ontario is approx $11 billion in
>> debt.  
>> Since I am here in California where there is a huge debt, much
>> greater....I am wondering how we are going to pull out of it,
>> so how are things going in Ontario?
>	With Bob Rae in power the debt will only grow.They believe
>  they can spend their way out of the recession, despite the fact
>that the de-industrialization of the province in part of a global
>trend.Last year a bond rating service in NY lowered Ont.'s rating,
>something I believe has recently happened to Cal.

OK, Ms. Economist, what's wrong with spending during a recession?
What would not spending solve? It's not working in the UK - would
it work in Ontario? Japan are starting to spend heavily. Are they
wrong to do so? If it's so black and white perhaps you should act
as a consultant to the Ontario govt - I'm sure they want the
recession to end just as much as you do.

Anyway, have you forgotten who created Ontario's deficit in the first
place? I'm not defending the NDP but if all you can do is attact,
providing no alternate solution, then why not economize on band-
width and only write when you've got something interesting to say?

Innes
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.no
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 11:14:13 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> 
> Wassail,
> Grendel
> 
>                            mimir@u.washington.edu
>     /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
>    /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
>   /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
>  /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
>     /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
>    /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
>                  +----------------------------------------+
> 

You've been reading those Thor The Mighty Thunder God comics again 
haven't you?
 
:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:46:32 GMT

In article <gill.716251475@physics.ubc.ca> gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill) writes:
>891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>
>> Well I heard on the news tonight that Canadian  and Air Canada will become
>>one. I just wanted to express my whole-hearted feelings about this:
>
>>I think it's horrible. ...
>     I have heard that the new airline is the size of Lufthansa (though not
>nearly as healthy). ...

 Well, that's marvellously reassuring, considering that, according to
 the current Time, Lufthansa is about to drop routes and eliminate
 thousands of jobs.
From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael R. Eisler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:22:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: teal

In article <1992Sep4.180742.5242@bnr.ca> alanw@bnr.ca writes:
>The recent party revolt that ousted Margaret Thatcher in the UK happened
>because the MPs there decided that their party was becoming unelectable.
>British MPs are more independent that their Canadian counterparts, and that's why
>we haven't seen a caucus revolt here.

When Joe Clark's minority government failed and his PCs lost the
election to Trudeau, a subsequent national convention resulted in Clark
getting less support from the part members then he felt necessary.  He
*did* experience a party revolt. When the subsequent *leadership*
convention elected Mulroney over Clark, wouldn't you say the party
revolted or at least rejected Clark?

Was Trudeau's resignation as Liberal national leader completely his
idea, or wasn't it more like the Thatcher scenario?

>Voting independently is almost treated like a crime by Canadian party whips.
>Any MP who doesn't toe the party line in the House of Commons will find their
>office relocated by the party whip to a tiny cubicle in a remote building.
>
>In many countries, the lack of a majority government results in ineffective
>government.  In Canada, some of the most responsive and responsible governments
>have been miniority governments -- because this is one case where the eyes
>of the MPs are on the voters.  One example is the Liberal - NDP minority in
>Ontario from '85 to '87.  After endless PC majorities that avoided doing anything
>to rock the boat, there were two years of productive government.  Then, the
>Liberals got a majority, and it was back to "government as usual".

However, in order for minority governments to work, the MPs of every party
in the coalition must vote to support the government. If enough MPs break
ranks, the government can't govern, and the PM is obliged to ask the
Crown to decide whether to call an election or let the opposition have
a go. If parties allowed MPs to vote anyway they wanted, the whole
concept of Parliamentory democracy would die. We'd be changing governments
every month. The senior unelected bureaucrats would effectively run the
country. The country would be a democracy in name only.

>The Canadian Parliamentary system wouldn't be that bad, if only we could crack
>party discipline.

A Yogi Berra'ism if I ever heard one. :-)

	-Mike Eisler
	mre@Eng.Sun.Com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.francais
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Traduction de 'enhanced mode'...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 03:23:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <peeters.715743395@tasman> peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters) writes:
>XA.N73@forsythe.stanford.edu  writes:
>
>>On serait reconnaissant de savoir la traduction du terme anglais
>>'enhanced mode' [comme dans '386 enhanced mode in Windows'].
>>On remercie les gentils lecteurs de ce groupe....
>
>Pas tout a` fait su^r en ce qui concerne l'adjectif, mais je dirais
>"mode accru".

Why don't you guys ask Microsoft for the *official* translation?

Luc B
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:46:42 GMT

Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
>In article <1992Sep8.144121.13595@epas.toronto.edu> gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes:
>>Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
>>is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
>>figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
>>booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
>>at least $70 Billion.
>
>And what's the figures for their assets?  (And those of
>Ontario Hydro?)

Forgive me, but I do not understand the relevance of the question. Are you
suggesting that should Ontario have trouble servicing its debt, it could
start selling off bits and pieces; e.g. Ont Hydro, the ROM, a highway, a
hospital, an OPP building, etc?
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

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From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:19:11 GMT
	<1992Sep3.131830.2610@actrix.gen.nz> <12773@audetf>
	<Bu4pI4.3pL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


In article <Bu4pI4.3pL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:


   Chose interessante : la separation des partis federal et quebecois
   a commence avec le parti conservateur qui a forme le gros de
   l'Union Nationale de Duplessis.  Mais, les partis liberaux sont
   restes lies jusqu'a tout recemment : on devenait membre de l'autre
   en devenant du premier et vice-versa.  Je pense que les liberaux se
   sont separes a l'occasion de la loi 178, mais je ne suis pas
   certain.

Je crois que les PLQ et PLC se sont separes (ca veut dire, qu'un
membre du PLQ n'est pas automatiquement un membre du PLC) depuis 1969,
mais je ne suis pas certain.  Je suis plus certain que c'etait avant
la decade "80s".

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Lower and upper Canadas
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada,can.general
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<12800@audetf> <1992Sep8.174836.24791@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.174836.24791@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:

   In article <12800@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
   >In article (Steve Potter) writes:
   >>Didn't "New France" become "Quebec" in 1759/1760 after France abandoned
   >>it, under Montcalm, to General Wolfe?
   >
   >No.
   >
   >PS: It wasn't "abandoned"; it was conquered and invaded.

   Twice, no less.

It was invaded and conquered by Britain in 1759/60.  It was abandoned
by France as part of the Treaty of Paris on Feb 10, 1763.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Sep10.151838.27007@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> If domestic airline prices become
|> too high, Canadians will just cross-border shop on US carriers flying
|> between major Canadian cities through US hubs...

Gerald, have you ever travelled through a major US hub?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: XA.N73@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Traduction de 'enhanced mode'...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:26:06 GMT

On serait reconnaissant de savoir la traduction du terme anglais
'enhanced mode' [comme dans '386 enhanced mode in Windows'].
On remercie les gentils lecteurs de ce groupe....
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:39:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <18o08jINNnju@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>
>According to Radio Netherlands, the Netherlands and the U.S. recently
>signed an "open skies agreement" -- it gives U.S. airlines the right
>to fly domestic flights in the Netherlands as well as Dutch airlines
>the right to fly domestic flights in the U.S.
Domestic flights in the Netherlands, eh?   Big deal...



Sounds like getting something for nothing to me.  Out of character?

Luc B
From: frank@maxwell.concordia.ca ( Frank Maselli )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Message from Concordia University
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:23:43 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal Quebec

On behalf of the Rector and Vice-Chancellor of Concordia University
I am posting the following message:


=================================================================

Subject:        Message from Dr. Patrick Kenniff, Rector and Vice-
                Chancellor  of Concordia University in response to
                queries with regard to Dr. Fabrikant


I  am  taking  the unusual step of posting a message on this medium
because  it  has  come  to  my  attention that the  allegations  of
scientific  misconduct  raised  by V.I. Fabrikant  continue  to  be
addressed  on  this  system and because I wish to inform you of the
tragic events of 24 August 1992 at our University.

V.I. Fabrikant, an Associate Professor at Concordia University, has
been  charged  with three counts of first-degree murder, two counts
of  attempted  murder, two  counts  of  hostage-taking  as  well as
uttering  death  threats and using a firearm in the commission of a
crime.  Three  of  our  colleagues are dead, one remains in serious
condition  and  the fifth is recovering from a gunshot wound to the
leg. The  families  of  the deceased and the injured as well as the
entire University community are in a  state of  shock and mourning.

The   Vice-Rector,  Academic   conducted   an   inquiry   into  the
numerous  allegations  he  raised  and  reported  to  the  Board of
Governors  in  March  1992  that  they  were  unfounded.   However,
with the continuance of Dr. Fabrikant's allegations, the University
will undertake a further review with dispatch. Let us not, however,
lose  sight of who the victims are in this tragedy. There can be no
excuse nor justification for the brutal and senseless actions of 24
August 1992.

Patrick Kenniff
Rector & Vice-Chancellor
Concordia University

==================================================================
-- 
Frank Maselli
Assistant Director, Customer Relations
Computing Services
Concordia University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: AIRLINE MERGE
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.051538.10993@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
> Well I heard on the news tonight that Canadian  and Air Canada will become
>one. I just wanted to express my whole-hearted feelings about this:
>
>I think it's horrible. A monopoly airline will charge whatever they please
>and do whatever they wish without the competition
>

This monopoly business is bogus.  If domestic airline prices become
too high, Canadians will just cross-border shop on US carriers flying
between major Canadian cities through US hubs...and it could also
make high-speed rail in the Windsor-Quebec corridor more feasible.

The issue is whether Canada is going to be a player at all
in the world airline business...for this we need one carrier with
control over all our international routes, so it has bargaining
power when forming international alliances a al Northwest-KLM,
British Airways-US Air, etc.  American Airlines was interested in
gaining control over CAI Asian routes...giving Canadian government
money to subsidize an American carrier's takeover of half the
Canadian airline industry and the most valuable foreign routes
and an immediate thousands of jobs transfer from Canada to the US
would have been the height of lunacy...plus Air Canada would have
been forced into another such alliance with a weakened bargaining
position, and with the end result being that we would end up flying
between Canadian cities through US hubs anyway, with stripped down
pseudo-Canadian carriers with even greater job loss than arising
from the merger.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:10:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.175809.15258@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>In article <8d9ym_-@rpi.edu> wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
>>The concept that a government is in good shape regardless of its deficit
>>because its assets are so large (i.e. the whole country) has been around
>>for at least hundreds of years.  Generally this argument pops up just
>>before some horrible economic collapse.  I think it might have been used
>>in 18th century France.

> It's bound to keep cropping up, since governments so like to spend
> themselves into debt; and then promulgating any lie, no matter how
> fatuous, is preferable to the horrible alternative of actually
> raising all the tax money they want to spend, and perhaps a bit more
> to retire their debts.

The interesting thing about this comparison (government debt vs. GNP)
assumes that GNP is "government" money, when in fact it is not.  What
one should compare is government debt vs. government income.  The GNP
is "people" income and the politicians assuming it is "government"
income--and that they should decide how to spend it, is one of the
causes of controversy.

Charlie