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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Hacker Files
Keywords: DC, Hacker FIles
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <tbs.715367511@login.dkuug.dk> tbs@login.dkuug.dk (Torben B. S|rensen) writes:
>The Hacker Files by Lewis Shiner seems to be the first comic book devoted
>solely to hacking and computers. Does anybody know if there has been any 
>reaction from the "hacker society" (programmers, companies, others).

It's pretty entertaining, though not very different (so far) from Wargames
(and that film also had the advantage of not deluging us with technological
buzzwords).  I also keep having this feeling that they got the definitions
of "worm" and "virus" backwards.  At least, Gene Spafford's article on the
Internet Worm (_Computer_Communication_Review_, January 1989) gives these
definitions:

"A _worm_ is a program that can run by itself and can propagate a fully
working version of itself to other machines.  It is derived from the word
_tapeworm_, a parasitic organism that lives inside a host and saps the
resources to maintain itself.

A _virus_ is a piece of code that adds itself to other programs, including
operating systems.  It cannot run independently - it requires that its "host"
program be run to activate it.  As such, it has a clear analog to biological
viruses - those viruses are not considered alive in the usual sense; instead,
they invade host cells and corrupt them, causing them to produce new
viruses."

I don't recall if The Hacker Files states whether the program in the story
is attached to another program, or acting autonomously.  However, the story
seems clearly based on the Internet _worm_ incident of 1988.

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...Cause living alone is all I've ever done well."
				- Nanci Griffith, "Late Night Grande Hotel"
From: tyg@valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Test2--Ignore
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:48:50 GMT

Sorry...once again I need to post the test here rather than misc.test.

"The perils of ambulatory reading. If you have never said "Excuse me" to a
parking meter or bashed your shins on a fireplug, you are probably wasting too
much valuable reading time." --Sherri Calvo
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.183646.4627@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
> 
[re: The resolution of DOLL'S HOUSE]]
> I thought that resolution was the whole point. It's like, at the end of the
> _Doll's House_ storyline, expecting Rose Walker to die.

Actually, conventional comics wisdom dictates that she wouldn't, especially
after we're told she has to die (it's an old cliche).  I would have been
surprised if she had indeed died.

> Along the way we have the horrors of people being unpleasant to each
> other: street thugs and serial killers in _Doll's House_, the larger
> pettinesses of gods in _Season of Mists_.

Ah yes, this was good.  But note that this is, again,
just good character writing.

> I think God pushing angels over the edge in order to maintain his
> pattern of the universe, and Dream letting the duality reassert itself is
> a good story.  

Yes, it will be a good story when Gaiman gets around writing it.  The
part of it we got in "Season of Mists" was the set-up.

> I think the climax is there in the exquisite agony of Remiel,
> and Duma's silent acceptance. 

It didn't feel like a climax.  It felt more like a subplot, especially
Duma's "silent" acceptance (note the quotes!).  It left me wanting for
more (which is, of course, the intent).

> I suspect that finding Death "cute" is infra dig. |-)
						    ^
"infra who"?  And why are you wearing shades? ------^	!8-)

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Coolest characters
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:07:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92248.110722U16244
 <92246.105222U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <rdippold.715457009@cancun>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <rdippold.715457009@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron
Dippold) says:
>
><U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>First, we have the KEWL characters.  You know the ones: People with either
>>massive amounts of weaponry (Cable, Solo, Punisher) with absolutely no
>>tactical or even actual weapon knowledge, or others who are nothing but
>
>Just a minor nit from when I was reading Punisher - the weapons he
>used were not only practical, but actually exist, at least in the
>hands of a writer like Dixon.  Now occasionally in a crossover or with
Later on in the post, I give allocades to guys like Dixon, Barr, Baron,
and Potts because they at least to creditable research into real
weaponry.  However, you have a bunch of other writers who publish such
tripe as what shows up in Marvel Comics Presents, or filler episodes
of any of the three Punisher series where he just hangs out and
starts hosing down folks.
>another writer he'd sprout some generic handgun, machine gun, or chain
>gun, and "What is that thing?" but even those had real analogues.  Now
>for all I know he may now be using lasers, bioblasts, and generic beam
>shooters, but he used to use bullets and explosives, and there are an
>incredible number of actual ways to deliver both.  The Punisher Armory
>issues made it pretty clear that he had an impressive actual weapons
>knowledge and that all the crap he used actually does exist, even some
>of the weirder stuff.
Yeah, but even I, a major "Gun Freak" (tm) realize that there's more
to good action stories than streams and streams of flying firepower.
I'm glad about the Dead Man's Hand books showing up, and that multiple
writers seem to have either good actual knowledge, or are taking notes
from Dixon on actual firepower.
(Niceza actually learning that there are such things as non-lethal
shotgun rounds, and that blanks actually do point blank damage?  He
must be taking notes from Dixon!)
>--
>Reason?  There's no reason. It's just policy.

Douglas P. Wojtowicz.

I have a dream, that everyone, everywhere, will someday know the
wonders of my nipples!
>WHANG< (Iron pelts Stimpy through the face.)
Fine, you keep your dream, and I'll keep the money.  Now shut up and
drive Stimpy.
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SHORT-RUNNING SERIES
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:50:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Bob Mosley (Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)) writes:

> > Um, weren't there some series that ended up with 1 or 2 issue runs 

>[Several series, and] _Power Plays_ as well.

Power Plays has a third issue come out last summer, available only by mail.
So it's exempt.

------------------------------
                             |     As I stared, the kid's plate spun around on
Jim Drew                     | the counter.  When he stopped it, he took a bite
jrd@frame.com                | of the mashed potatoes in front of him.  Then he
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | released the plate, and it began to spin again;
"Innocent, but not naive."   | he stopped it for a bite of chicken fried steak.
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Did you ever have the feeling you were
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | being watched?"  I asked the sheriff, and looked
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | from side to side.  "By David Lynch?"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman to Die?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:58:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2CHA.F3q
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Sep4.160633.6754@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>In article <4SEP199209181317@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
>>I have been away from the comic scene for quite some time now (ok 10 years)
>>
>>
>>Today I read in my local paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) that Superman will 
>>die in November.  What's the story?  
>>
>>Any info will be great.  
>>
>>Bruce Manners
>>
>
>  Superman will die in issue #75.  The previous 5 issues will be counting
>down to his death.  with 6 panels per page in the first book, 5 in the second
>down to 1 panel/page in #75.  There was rumored, talk of cancellation of Superman
>titles( I personally don't believe this).  The storylinr after this is that
>Supergirl attempts to take over(hmm.... I thought she died.....) but doesn't
>do to well of a job.  Lex Luthor is behind her and suggests forming a 
>superhero team called the Lex-Men.  According to an interview I read

I am not a regular Superman reader, but I was under the impression that
Lex Luther Jr. was really Lex Luthor in a new body. I also thought he
was supposed to be a villain. Why would he want a super-hero team to
be formed?
---
>

"You may stand relaxed Daredevil! I have so rarely been defeated...that I
 am amused by the novelty!"
				Dr. Doom, Daredevil #38
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Marsume Sirow
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:51:36 GMT

In article <Bu0JtK.6It@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>     AS a big fan of Marsume Shirow(appleseed, Dominion,Black Magic) I
> was thrilled when I saw something about a book of his work
> coming out in the month of August. Well....August is over,
> has anyone seen this? It was priced in the 30-40$ range so it wasn't
> a regular comic.

1) "Masamune Shirow".  BTW, it's a pseudonym.

2) The book is INTRON DEPOT, and it is a collection of Shirow's color
   works.  It is distributed in the US by Dark Horse, but you can save
   about $10.00 if you order it as an import from Kinokuniya Books or
   Nikaku Animart, which goes to show just how much are you being
   ripped off by DH.  BTW, the book is already out.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Subject: Re: Good Week Reviews, 8/30/92: Cerebus 161: Mothers & Daughters 11
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.222104.7320@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>, heifetz!lokkur.dexter.mi.us!scs@uunet.UU.NET (Steve Simmons) writes:

>Apparently all three aardvarks have been revealed.  But does Po, who
>is apparently not corporate, count?

No, he's actually said that he's alive in a small room in Iest with a
chess board he crudely carved from lumber. Whether that's believable
is anyone's guess.

>Where do Mrs. Thatchers loyalties lie (assuming she has any)?

I would tend to assume with Cirin and with Mrs Thatcher. This does not
imply loyalty towards any other Cirinists.

>Who are Astorias followers, and what does their getting out of control
>mean?

Kevilists. The radical offshoot of Cirinism that Sim has used as their
world equivalent of Feminism.

>We have two distinct appearances of the eye in the pyramid.

Notice that its the name of the same group that attacked Julius way
back in the original Cerebus reprint collection. Lack of imagination
in naming to be sure, but this group looks more Cirinist than the old
force did.

>Astoria looks like she'll be getting out of prison and becoming a force
>again.

That little glowing white sphere a few issues back told her she would
be released soon.
-- 
    Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mad Scientist, Priest of Shub-Internet
    Disclaimer: Nobody else takes me seriously, why should you be the first?
mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu mfterman@pucc.bitnet terman@pupgga.princeton.edu
"Sig quotes are like bumper stickers, only without the same sense of relevance"
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:09:54 GMT

In article <BtCrzM.E3v@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.165814.20175@raven.alaska.edu> ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) writes:
>>
>> A Delerium cross-over into Groo?
>
>If you want surreal, why not have a Delirium-Shade the Changing Man crossover?
>
I *hope* this was just a joke? One of the few things that helps maintain my 
faith in artistic integrity is the fact that so far Shade has managed to keep
separate from the mainstream DC Universe. And I hope it stays that way.

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Team Titans #2
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:03:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Every time I vow that if this storyline gets any worse I'll drop it,
it does so, just to make a liar out of me.  I thought what they did
to Donna in New Titans was bad -- until I saw the new Deathstroke.
In changing him from an honorable and incredibly skilled man in a
distasteful profession to another gunslinger with a bad attitude,
they've taken away the little that made him an interesting character.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser

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From: mfterman@dae.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: chess (spoilers)
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:03:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.161138.27373@Princeton.EDU>, vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes:
>	That's right, Bran died in Cerebus's presence as well.  Sounds
>like we need a list of folks who have and weren't killed by Cerebus or
>other combat type stuff...

Bear in mind that Elrod, Claremont and Necross were all magician
characters. (that's right, read Elrod's introduction of himself)
Weisshaupt never evinced any magical powers, but he was heavy into
scholasticism and probably was close enough, if he wasn't actaully
one. He was making a go at the final ascention, which counts for
-- 
    Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mad Scientist, Priest of Shub-Internet
    Disclaimer: Nobody else takes me seriously, why should you be the first?
mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu mfterman@pucc.bitnet terman@pupgga.princeton.edu
"Sig quotes are like bumper stickers, only without the same sense of relevance"
From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman = Cap Marvel?
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:06:37 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <1992Aug27.165345.1749@zooid.guild.org> ecurrent@zooid.guild.org (Greg Clow) writes:
>danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>
>
>Wellllll, Moore's Miracleman being based on Captain Marvel isn't *exactly* 
>true.  What happened is this... in the 1950's, there was a character in 
>British comics called Marvelman.  He was a boy who would say his "magic 
>word", KIMOTA!, to be transformed into his super-powered alterego.  He had 
>a "Miracle Family" of Young Miracleman and Kid Miracleman (I'm not 
>positive about the second name, 'cause I don't have the books here).  One 
>of the two had to say MIRACLEMAN! instead of KIMOTA! to be transformed.  
>Is this starting to sound familiar??  Yeah, it was all a thinly veiled 
>rip-off of Captain Marvel, but I guess it was ignored by the publishers of 
>SHAZAM at the time (Fawcett?) since it was basically on the 
>other side of the world, and the chance of American readers coming across 
>a Marvelman comic were pretty low.

Actually, I think Fawcett did know, but there were legal complications 
preventing ACTUAL Capt. Matvel comics from being sent to the UK (anti-
cultural imperialism laws, I think), so they licensed the creation of
Marvelman, instead.


>Anyway, in the early 80's, Moore started a revived Marvelman serial for an 
>English magazine.  When Eclipse got the rights to publish the Marvelman 
>serial in the US in comic book form, they suddenly found themselves in 
>legal  troubles NOT with DC, the publishers of SHAZAM, but with Marvel, 
>who felt that the character's name was copyright infringment.  So, they 
>ended up having to re-name the character Miracleman for the US series.  
>(If you look closely in the early issues, you can spot where all cases of 
>"Marvelman" have been relettered with "Miracleman".)


The legal trouble with Marvel came while the serial was still running in
the British anthology, and the expense of the lawsuit is what killed it.
An interesting footnote is that the character MARVELMAN is older than
the company MARVEL COMICS GROUP;  Marvel didn't win the lawsuit, they
just forced WARRIOR (the anthology) into bankruptcy.

WARRIOR was great.  In addition to Marvelman, it also serialized V FOR 
VENDETTA, THE SPIRAL PATH, LASER ERASER AND PRESSBUTTON, and FATHER 
SHANDOR, DEMON STALKER.  All but Father Shandor have since been at
least partially reprinted by American comic companies.

Issues of Warrior can still be had for about $5 each in the States.  Last
time I looked, Million Year Picnic had lots of 'em.  Check 'em out.

Oh, WARRIOR is magazine size, NOT regular comic size.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Maguire			No, not THAT Kevin Maguire.
maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov	I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1759 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:2409
From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: Re: Comic Shops in Pittsburgh
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes...

>Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>> Does anybody out in net.land know of any good comic shops in Pittsburgh?

>The closest one is PHANTOM OF THE ATTIC.  There's also BEM in Wilkinsburg(?),

I've been thinking of driving down to Pittsburgh to hunt for silver age
comics.  Do you think that these shops might have any interesting silver age
books? 

							-- John Schutkeker
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 04:14:39 GMT

In article <sward.715383361@uclagsm> sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
>jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug31.192508.15700@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>>>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered 
>>>>less than 5 copies at a time.
>>>
>>>This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
>>>ship out 1 of any given title
>
>>You're just full of misinformation today, aren't you?
>
>>According to the contract agreements of both Diamond and Capital City, they
>>can refuse any item order of less than three copies (Capital limits this
>>restriction to books under $5.00 -- I can't remember Diamond's exact wording
>>as we dropped them as our distributor due to uniformly poor service).
>
>The additional bad news is that (at least locally) Capital has been
>known to ship the minimum 3 copies to stores that only ordered 1 copy
>of a book that retails for less than $5.  This has made my local store
>reluctant even to attempt to order copies of certain independent
>comics for pre-order customers.  They're certainly not making any
>money if they get stuck with 2 copies they can't sell.  Too bad
>Capital and Diamond can't see their way to relaxing these
>restrictions.  Currently, if I can't find 2 friends interested in
>something that's a little different I can't order it even though the
>distributor has it available.	

Try telling that to Joe Comeau (I'm a retailer, Joe -- I know what I'm
talking about).  I have a number of subscribers who order a book that no one
else not only subscribes to, but is impossible to sell on the shelf (Disney
comics, for example).  What do I do?  I order the minimum three copies
anyway.  I haven't had a problem yet.

However, this means that the owner of the shop loses money on the deal.  He
recognizes that once the books are put in the discount bins, they sell, but
on a three-issue order, he loses about 20% of his expenditure.  He also is
nice enough a guy that he's willing to write it off as a cost of providing 
service to the customer.

Now, we have two stores in town, and I work at the larger of the two; however,
we're a small store overall.  We sell about 50 copies of each X-title, about
a dozen copies of Legion, 6 copies of Avengers, and ten copies of Cerebus
every month (just to give you an idea of our throughput).  We're a small
store.  The way I look at it, if the store you deal with is unwilling or
unable to offer what we, as a small store, is able to, then you're dealing
with the wrong store.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
Just got my student loan.  Never been happier, thanks.
-------
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From: carlinra@vuse2.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Re: Excalibur Deaths (I don't consider it an X-book, so there)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:26:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.003315.4812@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) wrote:
> 
> Of course, Alysande was pretty damn dead (bones powdered by Jaime).  The fact
> that a big subplot with her started the same issue leads me to believe she'll
> return.

Actually, if you want to nitpick about it, Alysande isn't dead.  _Alysdane_
is
the one who was killed.

Rob Carlin                     | I really hate typos, especially when the
writer
carlinra@vuse2.vanderbilt.edu  | consistently spells the words wrong. 
Unless 
carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | this case isn't a typo..... :)
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Coolest characters
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:03:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.715457009
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

<U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>First, we have the KEWL characters.  You know the ones: People with either
>massive amounts of weaponry (Cable, Solo, Punisher) with absolutely no
>tactical or even actual weapon knowledge, or others who are nothing but

Just a minor nit from when I was reading Punisher - the weapons he
used were not only practical, but actually exist, at least in the
hands of a writer like Dixon.  Now occasionally in a crossover or with
another writer he'd sprout some generic handgun, machine gun, or chain
gun, and "What is that thing?" but even those had real analogues.  Now
for all I know he may now be using lasers, bioblasts, and generic beam
shooters, but he used to use bullets and explosives, and there are an
incredible number of actual ways to deliver both.  The Punisher Armory
issues made it pretty clear that he had an impressive actual weapons
knowledge and that all the crap he used actually does exist, even some
of the weirder stuff.
-- 
Reason?  There's no reason. It's just policy.
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