HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ams90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (A M Shihab)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: HELP: Window not initialising?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:36:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 6 Jan 93 18:45:59 GMT
Message-Id: <14075@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

hi,

  I have an application, written entirely in XLIB for X11R5.  My problem is
that I am creating a window, which has some text in it then I return from 
the rotuine only after an expose event has taken place and a XDrawImageString
has been run.

  The problem is that the window comes up and the text does not until near the
end when the window is anout to be shut down.

any pointers will be appreciated.

thanks in advance.


ams....
From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: tiny windows
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:35:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)

Date: 6 Jan 1993 05:30:42 GMT
Message-Id: <1idqq2INN8ba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I just got a warning that I'll be disconnected in 5 min, so this'll
be quick.

I've got a problem which shows up mostly when using twm, but has
been observed with mwm as well.  When using interactive placement,
it's possible to get very, very small windows (width == height == 0)

Seems to have something to do with timeout talking to window manager,
as it only happens when system is bogged down, or when running on
a PC (which is always bogged down, even with just one user)


Has anybody else had this problem?  Has anybody solved it?
Please help.


-- 
		-Dave Williss
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Standards are great!  Everybody should have one of their own!
From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: status of the EMU project
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:37:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Visual, Inc.

Message-Id: <9301071325.ZM2245@boggs>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:25:15 -0500
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.0 10/1/92)

I've been looking at the EMU terminal emulator package on export. It's labeled
"alpha release" and is dated 10/91. 

I've been unable to contact the folks at emu@pcsbst.pcs.com.  Does anybody know 
the status of this project?

Thanks.



-- 
David B. Lewis		Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.
day: dbl@visual.com	evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net
From: kkumar@cs.wmich.edu (Kirti Ganesh Kumar)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: No title in original
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:23:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:31:45 EST
Message-Id: <9301130231.AA20109@cs.wmich.edu>

Hello
   I am a graduate student majoring in computer science
 and working as Graduate Assistant in Western Michigan
 University, Michigan .I worked on olit and now i am
 interested to work on motif.We have sun and sparc station
 in our university. My question is can I work on motif
 in sun or sparc station ? I am also interested in looking
 at some examples in motif. Could you please send me
 some examples in motif ?
      Thank you very much.
 		my E-mail address
		  "kkumar@cs.wmich.edu"
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Running X on PC?
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:05:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:16:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan10.171624.5437@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <C0MnHA.G79@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes:
>: Hi there,
>: 
>: We are on a LAN running Novell netware 3.11.  We are connected to the
>: outside world (campus ethernet) through a bridge from this. The SUN
>: (down the hall from me) is connected to the campus ethernet and has a
>: known address (My 386 has an ethernet address as well).  We can logon
>: the SUN and run terminal sessions but what we want is to run an X-
>: windows session complete with graphics etc.  So it seems what we're
>: looking for is software that will emulate an X-windows terminal.
>: 
>: Can anyone give me some suggestion?
>: Any comments would be welcome, thanks,
>: 
>
>I would recommend not to waste you time and money with one of the X
>implementations for the PC. Get yourself a copy of DESQVIEW/X - it turns
>you PC into a useful machine. Not only will you have an X desktop 
>(with a choice of OpenLook or MOtif window managers) you can also run
>multiple DOS sessions in fixed or scalable windows, you can run Windows
>as well. Naturally, being a full X server, you can log onto the SUN
>and run any X application. Not only that, you get real hardware based
>multi-tasking and, as icing on the cake, a SUN user can open a local
>window running a DOS application on the remote PC!
>
>My wife has used DESQVIEW/X for about 6 months with great success on
>a 33MHz 386 networked to my SUN and DECStation. With an universal programmer
>attached to the PC, I can program PAL/PROMS directly from the SUN by
>running a remote DOS session.
>
>The only drawback is that you need LOTS of memory - 8MB minimum, 16MB
>is better.
>
>-- 
>
>Roland Besserer
>QUAD Systems
>roland@quadsys.com	

Or, you can get Linux or 386bsd and run X on your PC. If you use XS3,
 an X server for a S3 cards, with a 486/50Mhz you will get the same or better graphic's performance than a sun workstation. Total cost of the software $0 :-)

XS3 is known to work with open-look, motif, and twm, etc...

For a performance comparison of vga cards on the PC see Jan 93' Byte.

Amancio
-- 
Amancio Hasty           |  
Home: (415) 495-3046    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:
e-mail hasty@netcom.com	|  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/incoming
From: dforan@pilot.njin.net (David Foran)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: FreeAllPieces, memory leak
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:34:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Date: 6 Jan 93 16:40:38 GMT
Message-Id: <Jan.6.11.40.37.1993.6638@pilot.njin.net>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello,

I am running X11R5 on a Sun386i RoadRunner with SunOS 4.0.1. I have
just begun to learn X and I have resorted to hacking X window software
available via ftp to learn the fundamentals.

I have written an X window application for rudimentary image processing
tasks. The program allows the user to select various options from a 
menu and the program handles all file management, etc.

All is running fine except that repeated calls to display an image to
the screen results in the following message:

"Programmer Botch in FreeAllPieces, there may be a memory leak."

The menu is then obliterated from the screen, and a core dump follows.
It is interesting that even after all of this confusion the image
is successfully displayed to the screen. But further processing
requires restarting the program.

Do any of you X-perienced programmers have any idea as to how I can 
run down the problem??

please respond........

		david (djf@mirage.umdnj.edu)
From: MARIO@fapq.fapesp.br
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: No title in original
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:21:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:27 BSC (-0300 C)
Message-Id: <28B9E720C0003072@brfapq.bitnet>
X-Envelope-To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
X-Vms-To: IN%"xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu"
Comments: @FAPQ.FAPESP.BR - @FAPQ%FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPQ.BITNET - .BR gateway


     Hi Xperts,

     I am writing a Xlib based aplication and I am implementing my own 
user interface with a motif look. The push buttons are working ok, but 
I am having problems with pull-down menus. I am having problems with the
Events during automatic grabs, they went to the window where the button
was pressed instead of going to the window where the button was released.
     The events for these windows are masked like this:
      event_mask = ButtonPressMask | ButtonReleaseMask | OwnerGrabButtonMask;
     I thought the OwnerGrabButtonMask would override the server's automa-
tic pointer grab but this is not working in this case, what may be wrong ?
Which command or mask or whatever it is can affect the effect of the 
OwnerGrabButtonMask ?
     I am using X11R5 on a SPARCstation IPC.

o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
|Mario de Paula Leite Gouvea  |  BITNET:   MARIO@BRFAPESP.BITNET          |
|-----------------------------o            MARIO@BRFAPQ.BITNET            |
|Fundacao de Amparo a Pesquisa|  INTERNET: mario@fpsp.fapesp.br           |
|(11)831-3111 ext.247         |            mario@fapq.fapesp.br           |
|Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05060 |            mario@fpspux.fapesp.br         |  
|Sao Paulo - Brazil           o----o       mario@clotho.fapesp.br         |
|FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014  |                                      |
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
From: makke@wins.uia.ac.be (Marc Gemis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: GXxor and GXnor
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:57:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: /home/wins/inf/makke/.organization

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:23:33 GMT
Message-Id: <MAKKE.93Jan8172333@wins.uia.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I found the following strange behavior in X11R4, delivered with DG/UX 5.4.1.
To have xor behavior, (draw on a set pixel means clear that pixel),
I must use GXnor. On a Sun with X11R5, I'll have to use GXxor.
My question is: Is this a bug in the DG/UX-port, a bug in X11R4
and are there any other systems that have the same problem ?

I have a small Motif program to test this. If you want I can send you
a copy of it.

I'll summarize the responses and post it to the net.

Thanks in advance.

Marc.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Gemis                                   Phone: + 32 (3) 820.24.18
University of Antwerp (UIA)                  Fax: + 32 (3) 820.24.21
Dept. Math. and Comp. Science                Telex 33.646
Universiteitsplein 1                         Email: gemis@uia.ac.be
B-2610 Wilrijk - Antwerpen
BELGIUM
                A dog is for life... not just for Christmas
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

--



--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Gemis                                   Tel: + 32 (3) 820.24.18
University of Antwerp (UIA)                  Fax: + 32 (3) 820.24.21
Dept. Math. and Comp. Science                Telex 33.646
Universiteitsplein 1                         Email: gemis@uia.ac.be
B-2610 Wilrijk - Antwerpen
BELGIUM
                A dog is for life... not just for Christmas
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mstone@netcom.com (Hong Chen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help On Compiling X11R5 On SUN Solaris 2.1
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:04:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:10:26 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan5.021026.5785@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

We have some new Sparc Classic workstations, running Solaris 2.1, set up
a few days ago.  But we have difficulties compiling X11 release 5.
The same source code of X11R5 that compile under SUN 4.1.2 do not
compile under Solaris 2.1.

We wonder whether we need any new release or patch files from MIT,
or we may need to set up our system in some way to compile X11.
We would appreciate any help.

Thanks.

	Please respond to 

		Choiwah Chow
		chow@lia.com
		IA Corporation
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Sun GX and xancur ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:37:32 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Gainfully unemployed

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:18:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan8.121851.22502@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sun.apps

In article <1993Jan7.203234.18392@mdd.comm.mot.com> tim@mdd.comm.mot.com (Tim Rosmus) writes:
>  I just replaced my cgthree (color) card with a cgsix (GX) card in my
>SPARC1+.  Now the standard cursor aninmation that comes with "xancur" only
>displays the upper left quadrant when the cursor is in the root window.
>
>Anybody seen this?  Anybody have a fix?  Thanks.

The GX, unlike the CG3, uses a hardware cursor.  It is limited to 16x16-sized
cursors, sorry.  There is no "fix".

I was disappointed to find this out as well; I liked my Public Enemy gunsight
logo cursor on my 2 GS at work, but when I had a 1+ GX at home for awhile, I
couldn't use it.  I now have a SPARCstation-1 clone with a CG3 and I can use
it again ...

--
	- Greg Earle				| Disclaimer: These are MY
	  Itinerant Sun Consultant		| opinions only, not JPL's!
	  isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV	| They just let me post through
	  (818) 353-8695			| their machines ...
From: felix@laas.fr (Francois Felix INGRAND)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Can I count on the count number of a GraphicExpose event...
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:14:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France

Date: 4 Jan 93 17:02:07 GMT
Message-Id: <FELIX.93Jan4180207@idefix.laas.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


I am using the GraphicExpose and NoExpose event of the X server to redraw part
of a window. However, to solve the problem of asynchronism between the server
and the client, I build (after each CopyArea) a structure which remember where
was my drawing when I generated the GraphicExpose (or NoExpose).

This worked fine as long as one and only one window obscured my drawable.
However, as soon as you have more than one window, you can get more than one
GraphicExpose for one copy area (and this behavior is documented)...  My
problem was then to figure out how many GraphicExpose event do you get...
Nowhere in the documentation I have been able to find out. It looks like the
count number in the GraphicExpose event does the job (ie to tell me how many
pending GraphicExpose from the same CopyArea are still enqueued)... and by
using this value, my application works fine... But, am I just lucky or is this
count supposed to hold this value? Moreover, if it is not supposed to hold this
value, is there a trick to find it?

Please reply by e-mail as our news feeder is always 2 weeks behind.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Francois Felix INGRAND                   "Read my Lisp... No new syntax" (nil)
LAAS/CNRS: felix@laas.fr      "La guerre, qu'on voit danser le long des golfes
ACS Tech.: felix@acs.dialexis.fr     clairs, a des reflets d'argent" (Anonyme)
From: rkc@xn.ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: alternating window images - flicker in Xlib
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:10:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:03:04 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan4.180304.5399@xn.ll.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


	I have an C, Xlib based program with a main loop built around
XNextEvent, and I want to periodically flicker the screen.  I have early
copies of the O'Reilly books for Xlib, but I cannot figure out a good way to
periodically send/receive an event that says "change screen now".  The
peridicity is on the order of 6 times per second.  Can someone send me a code
snippet, or point me to the correct routine?  Thanks for your help.


			-Rob
			Robert K. Cunningham
			rkc@xn.ll.mit.edu

-- 
			Robert K. Cunningham
			rkc@xn.ll.mit.edu
Machine Intelligence Group		     Cognitive and Neural Systems Dept.
MIT Lincoln Laboratory			     Boston University (Occasionally)
From: bwong@csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Does X/Motif support macros (ala Windows 3.X)?
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:14:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:53:51 GMT
Message-Id: <C0pJDs.BEE@csulb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Does X support a global macro keystroke recorder ability
such as Microsoft Windows?

For example, say I want to automatically invoke an X-Window
program, select item x from menu y, popup a screen, do a screendump 
and exit the program.

I could do this under MS Windows by using the system 
"keystroke/macro recorder". Is there a public domain or
commercial recorder for X/Motif?
From: twilight@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Prowse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Conferences and trade shows in USA, whats out there?
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:54:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:42:56 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan4.114256.25660@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,
	I have a friend who is going over to America
this year and wishes to increase his knowledge about X.
In particular he is looking for any useful conferences, 
trade shows or perhaps even large user group meetings
that would give a feel of what X is doing at the moment, 
and what directions it could possibly take.
	If you know of anything that is coming up
could you please email me some information on who to 
contact for further information.

Thanks in advance!

Robert Prowse

twilight@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Prof. A.S. Umar)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xmailtool Folder button does not highlight?
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:38:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CCIP, Vanderbilt University

Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:45:08 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan7.214508.5908@news.vanderbilt.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I am running xmailtool on my rs/6000 everything is working fine except 
I cann't figure out how to get the Folder button to highlight. Under no
circumstance I can get it to function. Is there a trick to this? Does
one have to put something in .mailrc. I tried set Folder=/u/umar/Mail
which is the directory where I keep my mail folders.
Thanks
-- 
umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu         Prof.A.S. Umar
umarsa00@vuctrvax.bitnet                Department of Physics & Astronomy
Tel: (615) 322-2459                     Vanderbilt University
Fax: (615) 343-7263                     Nashville, TN 37235
From: shannp@vccnw14.its.rpi.edu (Patrick L Shannon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: CTWM icons
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:37:27 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:42:41 GMT
Message-Id: <z##3mvb@rpi.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi there

I realize this is a silly question but...

I am running CTWM2.1 and I am wondering if the is any way to use
different icons when iconifying two windows that have the same
Class.res_name and Class.res_class but have two different names
on the title bar

Thanks,

Pat Shannon
shannp@rpi.edu
From: mh@awds.imsd.contel.com (Mike Hoegeman)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: How does one debug a server using dbx/gdb?
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:12:32 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GTE Weather Systems, Westlake Village, CA

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:31:59 GMT
Message-Id: <1993Jan12.063159.14863@awds.imsd.contel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <7326@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes:
>Is there a special trick to debug an X server binary using gdb or dbx?  That
>is, how can you start it up and have the debugger be able to follow the
>progress from the beginning, given that the server is normally started via
>xinit?  I know that I can start it normally and then attach to the process,
>but how would I debug it from the very beginning?

You can do something cheesy like in main() put a a call to pause() or
select() if some magic environment variable is set. Then the server
will just sit there in the pause and you can attach to it at your
leasure. once you are attached just do something that will cause pause
to return like ^C.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Hoegeman               email: mh@wx.gtegsc.com  tel: (818)706-4145
GTE Weather Systems Group   31717 La Tienda Dr, Westlake Village CA. 91359
From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Universal random number generator better than just rand()
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:10:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 6 Jan 93 06:16:15 GMT
Message-Id: <29257@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.lang.c

Hi there,

Concerning about ANSI-C and POSIX portability of a program, I'm looking
for a "universal" random number generator. It must be better than just
rand().

Suppose I'm using <X11/Xfuncproto.h> and <X11/Xos.h> -- then what? Do
all System V platforms have drad48() kind of functions? Can anybody
tell me an easy way to distinguish different kind of machines in this
aspect so that I can do:

	#if "something"
	/* use drand48(), etc. */
	#else if "something"
	/* use random(), etc. */
	#else
	/* better not use, rand(), etc. */
	#endif

Now I only know:
	Sequent DYNIX has random(), etc.
	SunOS has both series.
	SGI IRIX has both series.

How about other systems?

-- 
= Qiang Alex Zhao                 ___       .             ______
  Computer Science Dept          /   )     /|   )          __//  )
  University of Arizona         /   /     /_|  / _        //    /_  _. ._
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu         (__)(_o   /  (_(_(-'_)(   ((____/ (_(_(_(_)
From: r.y.hsia@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X Windows - Drag and Drop of multiple file icons
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:53:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9301121527.AA27995@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date:       12 Jan 1993  10:19 EST

       On my SUN Work Station, I am trying to write an  application
       which  uses  the  "Drag  and Drop" mechanism.  Following the
       example  in  "XView  Programming  Manual"  by   O'Rielly   &
       Associates,  I  could  read the file name when the icon of a
       file was "dropped."  However, I want  to  be  able  to  read
       multiple  file names when a group of selected file icons are
       "dropped."  I searched all available  X  Window  programming
       references,  but  could not find a way to read multiple file
       names.

       Is it impossible in  X  Window  programming  to  do  what  I
       described above?  If it can be done, please inform me of the
       reference source.  An illustrative example would be perfect.
       Thanks.

       Richard Hsia
       Email: mtqua.att.com!ryh
From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: more dumb questions from a dumb beginner
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:06:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST

Date: 6 Jan 93 14:33:56 GMT
Message-Id: <BUZZ.93Jan6093356@lion.bear.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1993Jan5.173856.17260@linus.mitre.org> jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:
>    I am running X11R5 on Sun SPARCS running SunOs4.1.x. I am having a
>  great deal of trouble telneting and editing across machines using
>  xterm. If I am on machine A, in an xterm and I telnet to machine B and
>  attempt to use more, vi, emacs the screen eventually gets screwed up.
>   Is this a lost cause? I get the feeling that it is something xterm
>  wasn't meant to do. It really doesn't matter what machine I telnet
>  into by the way.

telnetting does not "carry across" the connection the terminal type of
the local tty.  After you telnet to machine B, you'll find that the $TERM
environment variable is "dialup," "network," or similar and that
	$ stty -a
reports rows = 0 and columns = 0.  more, vi, and emacs depend on these 
parameters being set properly or else they garble the screen.

Set "TERM=xterm" and "stty rows xx columns yy" after telnetting to machine B.