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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:31:47 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Nov19.002815.38389@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org) wrote:
>: But there is a Constitutional restriction against prohibiting the free
>: exercise of religion.  "Shall make no law" means NO law.  Which part of
>: NO don't you understand?
>
>They're not prohibiting his free exercise of religion--they're dictating
>under what conditions they will pay him a salary.  He's FREE to get a 
>different job.
>
>--
>John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
>        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
>    "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" -- TMBG   "I Palindrome I"

And let him get a job at a religious school.  And let the parents
who want to send their kids to that school not be burdened with
paying extra taxes for the school that they don't send their 
kids to.

Actually, the first ammendment applies here, too.  Quite aside
from religion, a teacher should be free to teach and not be
constrained by a curriculum and list of constraints from a
government institution.  Teaching is as much of an art as
Maplethorpe's photography.  The teachers must be free if they
are to do their job right.  And the parents should be free
to find the school and teachers that are right for their 
children.

Let's hear it for real diversity, choice in education.  Who knows,
parents, given a real choice, might even send their kids to the
local p.s. with all its diversity and freedom from superstition.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: Re: YOU OWE ME FREE HEALTHCARE!
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:41:06 GMT
Distribution: tx
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:
[...]

> 	But the rhetoric is "not everyone is insured".  Well, so what?  Where
> does it say that everyone must have insurance?  Hell, I've spend more in the
> last year or two on insurance that I'd EVER would have spent on medical bills.
> That includes dentist, optometrist, and even two trips to the emergency room
> due to a couple of bike crashes.  Most of the time, I pay my insurance bill
> and still have to pay medical bills, since I didn't spend enough to make the
> deductible.

You've spent more on insurance in two years than you could have ever spent in
medical bills? That is utterly absurd.  Two emergency room trips to have you
checked out after bicycle accidents is small potatoes.  Imagine how much money
you'd have spent if you had ... AIDS for example. Or maybe leukemia, or a brain
tumor... or what if your neck had been broken in one of your bicycle wrecks.

regards.max

Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:18:48 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
:                                                           John
: apparently thinks not, and so has no problems with the system being
: 'broken' (rather than evidence that the system needs to be fixed, this
: is evidence that the system should be thrown away) or with defending
: things to KEEP it broken.

John doesn't think that the presence of extra-curricular programs is something
that is "broken", nor does he think that no pass-no play "fixes" anything.

: Others feel differently.  Of course, if you
: do away with public schools entirely, you are once more left with the
: problem of just how people from the bottom of the economic ladder are
: going to pay for an education,

How are people from the bottom of the economic ladder going to pay for a car?
How are people from the bottom of the economic ladder going to pay for a
Carribbean cruise?

: >I *chose* to work at IBM.  I'm not here just so I can keep playing football.
: >Do you see the difference?
: 
: But why should you do any more than it takes to stay employed at that
: choice, John?

The better I perform, the more I get paid, for one thing.  It's a nice idea,
the government should try it sometime.  Maybe if teachers were paid that way,
we wouldn't need to have this discussion.

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Look, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
 system of government"
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: CSPAN Voter Manipulation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:12:46 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org) wrote:
: I think you are missing the point.  NOTHING got better.  When you rank
: 49th, it's pretty hard to get much worse.

You claimed that he caused "damage", which is pretty hard to justify if things
didn't get worse.

: Bill Clinton has promised everyone everything he could.  At least George
: Bush waited two years to break his word.  Bill Clinton took about one
: week.

He hasn't broken anything.  He's not president yet.

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Look, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
 of government"
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Time out from the flames...
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:46:32 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <7930@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <21911@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>[ITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOY]
>
>Congratulations, John! May he enjoy many long years of happy life.

He has to get out of his current domicile first; an event which is
currently slated for the February 2nd, 1993 timeframe.  But the
ultrasound J had on Friday reveals she is carrying a Bubba.

Height, weight, name (which we have selected already ...), time
and date will be inserted in .sig at the appropriate time.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [  TSAKC  ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
[ITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOYITSABOY]
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:40:32 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: [re: "good citizen"] 
: And you had no clue as to what it could possibly mean, even though you
: now say you've heard it before?  Are words always this mutable for
: you, John, or is it just here when you are trying to play rhetorical
: games? 

Value judgements like "good", "bad", "right", "wrong", "pretty", "ugly", are
ALL mutable.  One person might think a "good citizen" is one who reads his
bible and prays every day.  Another might think a "good citizen" refrains
from eating meat.  That's why I asked you what YOU mean by it.  And you 
finally answered it.  But you act like I should've known what you meant.

: Yes, but we generally don't let CHILDREN make those kinds of decisions
: (about playing longshots) until they have enough experience to make
: their own decisions.  That's why we have schools, among other things.

I don't think it's your place to decide what other people's children do.

:                    If we follow your ideas, what we wind up with is
: the Texas school system -- which is so bad it is being used as an
: argument by people to justify why they think we need 'private school
: choice'.  

And people STILL think the schools are bad.  How long have we had no pass-
no play?  Is it working?  Could there possibly be other problems?  Naaaaah.

: How can I lie about what you wrote when I include what I'm resonding
: to in the article.  Another nice rhetorical trick.  You really should
: get into politics -- when in doubt, ACCUSE.

Let me recap slowly for the comprehension-challenged:

J: They don't teach children to read in high school
F: They teach reading where I work.
J: Do you work in a high school?
F: You said "teaching these things stopped in elementary school."
   [this is the lie.  I never said that.  You misrepresented what I wrote, so
    that you could use your employer as an example.  Even if I was wrong about
    whether reading is taught IN high school, you still lied about what I 
    wrote]

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Look, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
 system of government"
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Bill to legalize carrying handguns
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.


From Austin American Statesman, Nov 17th, 1992

Stop or I'll Shoot, Part II

Rep. Bill Carter, R-Richland Hills, said Monday he plans to file legislation
to allow "propoerly trained, law-abiding citizens" to carry concealed
weapons to protect themselves and prevent crime.
	Carter said more than 25 of the 150 members of the Texas House have
signed on as co-authors of the measure.
	A similar proposal last year was passed by the Senate but died in the
House. Carter heads the House Public Safety Committee, which studied the 
issue and recommened that Texans be allowed to get licenses to carry 
concealed handguns.
			#######################

Phone numbers to express your opinion on this:
Bill Carter, Sponser, 463-0482
**
Gov. Ann Richards(D), Room 200, State Capital, Austin, TX, 78711, (512)463-2000
Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, Room 219, State Capital, Austin, TX, 78711, (512)463-0001

Austin CongressPeople
St Sen Gonzalo Barrientos(D) Box 12068, Austin, TX, 78711  (512) 463-0114
St Rep Elliott Naishtat(D) Box 2910, Austin, TX, 78769  (512) 463-0668

I thought the only bills that could be considered during a special session
were ones that the Governor submitted?
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:35:44 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Nov19.010956.42229@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>How would you like it if we dropped everything EXCEPT football.  You don't like
>it?  LEAVE!  I'm a taxpayer, and I don't like the curriculum.  Allowing 
>somebody to pursue a football education doesn't prevent YOU from getting your
>science education or whatever.

If you could demonstrate how such a system (football and only
football) was to the general betterment of society, why would I have a
problem with that?  The problem is that you CAN'T do that; at least
such arguments can be made in this regard about current curriculums,
whether you elect to accept them or not.


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: CHOICE: DEBATE BASED ON COMPETING PHILOSOPHIE
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:08:08 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Nov20.224226.23274@technology.com> judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.001621.6810@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>>
>
>>
>>We would have to look more closely at your claim about the cost of teaching the
>>handicapped and the learning disabled.  I find it hard to believe that it nearly
>>doubles the cost of education. If it does there is something wrong. Any choice
>>based solution would have to cover this, and it is good you bring it up.  Let's 
>>look at the details. I'm interested.
>>
>>Cordially,
>>Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
>
>	How much do these private schools for handicapped and disabled
>	kids cost?     
>
>	Also, I read somewhere that by far the highest cost of public
>	education across the board is the cost of state supported univer-
>	sities.  
>
>	Comment?

I am not sure of the numbers.  They do receive private
gifts.  I believe the cost to the parents is based to some
degree on ability to pay.  And they do carry on economic 
activity of their own.  They make various craft and toy 
items etc., which are sold.  And most of them are based 
on farms.  The "normal" workers at Camphill receive no pay. 
They keep any money or goods that they have when they join, 
but their ongoing needs are supplied as part of the community.  
This is part of the pedagogy that attempts to keep a community
atmosphere in which people look out for each other. It
is felt that the handicapped children are especially
sensitive to the tensions that arise when money comes
into it.  I am not sure about Kimberton Hills (not Farms),
they may compensate the staff people.

I will also verify my statement that no tax money comes
to them.  There may be cases where something like a
voucher for the handicapped person is actually diverted
to the home for that particular child.  The people at
the state homes for the handicapped are generally very
impressed with them and have asked for assistance in
their own work.  They base their approach on the work
of Rudolf Steiner, who did extensive work in this area
in Germany and Switzerland in the first quarter of this
century.  It is a good example of an extremely successful
approach that would not be possible if it were mandated
as part of state guidelines.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Thomas Rush)
Subject: Re: Protectionism and Japan
Reply-To: thomasr@cpqhou.UUCP (Thomas Rush)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa,tx
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:10:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.141239.16753@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <1992Nov16.152717.687@cpqhou.compaq.com> thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Thomas Rush) writes:
>
>>If the motivation was to discourage use of Cuban sugar and boost sales of
>>domestic, why wouldn't we simply require labelling: "This sugar contains
>>70% imported sugar and 43% imported Cuban sugar."  
>
>Because we have a Representative Democracy and not a Democracy?

This one's gotten by me, Fred -- could you explain?  

thomas rush			compaq computer corporation	
thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com	their employee, not their opinions.
By my belief that government should be minimalized, I swear to oppose
the unrequested intrusion of government into the lives of individuals.
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:39:56 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Send, abort, edit, or list? l
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Summary: 
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Followup-To: 
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX
Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov17.153042.15734@cpqhou.compaq.com> thomasr@cpqhou.UUCP (Thomas Rush) writes:

>There's an idea....
>
>   Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>   business, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
>   the freedom of the markets, or of the advertisers; or the right of
>   the people peaceably to purchase, and to petition the merchant for
>   a redress of grievances.
>
>I _like_ it.
>
>
>thomas rush                    compaq computer corporation     
>thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com      their employee, not their opinions.
>I believe all human interactions should be based on mutual consent.

The constitution more or less says this already, in the sense that,
except for the Treasury's (now forfeited to the Fed) authority to
print money and theinterstate commerce clause (what a loophole) it is
more or less silent about the economic and business sphere.  And then 
it goes on to say that what is not specifically enumerated to the 
Federal government is reserved to the states and the people respectively.
Now, if we could really restore that principle, and do the same between
the states and the people, I think we woud have the equivalent of your
proposed ammendment, which I _like_ too.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: CHOICE: DEBATE BASED ON COMPETING PHILOSOPHIE
From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:42:26 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Nov20.001621.6810@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>

>
>We would have to look more closely at your claim about the cost of teaching the
>handicapped and the learning disabled.  I find it hard to believe that it nearly
>doubles the cost of education. If it does there is something wrong. Any choice
>based solution would have to cover this, and it is good you bring it up.  Let's 
>look at the details. I'm interested.
>
>Cordially,
>Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)

	How much do these private schools for handicapped and disabled
	kids cost?     

	Also, I read somewhere that by far the highest cost of public
	education across the board is the cost of state supported univer-
	sities.  

	Comment?
From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: 10 reasons to dump Jake Pickle
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:54:04 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000) writes:

>Agreed.  For example what does CAGW say about the 9 billion dollars (or
>whatever) wasted on the "War" on drugs?



Why don't you call them and ask?


Citizens Against Government Waste - 1(800)872-3328
        Lists various Congressional votes they consider important to
        reducing waste and detail which Congressmen voted which way
        on each issue.  Extremely informative.


-- 
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My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
          - Fire public school administrators.  Hire more teachers. -
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: TEXAS SCHOOL FINANCE: GRAPPLING WITH FAIR SHARE PLAN
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <1992Nov16.042925.2262@europa.lonestar.org> tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
>The rightwing wants to entrench themselves into their present positions and 
>to do that they seek to stack the deck in their favor.  The more successful
>they are at this the more talent gets wasted that could have benefited the 
>whole society.  If a society gets too conservative than it is really doomed.
>History has plenty of examples of this:  the Soviet Union, Manchu China,
>the Ottoman Empire, Austria Hungary, etc. 

You are comparing apples to oranges.  The American political environment
is not the same as that in any of the countries which you've named.  For
that reason, our version of "conservatism" isn't the same as any of those
countries.  Recall that it our "conservative" movement that resulted in
the rise of Russia's "liberal" movement - and that we (meaning us
conservatives) want more support for Russia's liberals.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [  TSAKC  ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Protectionism and Japan
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:02:50 GMT
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <BxvsDG.948@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.141239.16753@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>> In <1992Nov16.152717.687@cpqhou.compaq.com> thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Thomas Rush) writes:
>> 
>> >>In article <1992Nov12.142955.625@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>> >> 
>> >>> This one was more politically motivated than anything else, wasn't it?
>> >>> I mean, given that the bulk of the sugar on the world market was
>> >>> coming from Cuba, etc., and we wanted to try and do something with
>> >>> Hawaii?  I can try to look it up in my baby library here, if someone
>> >>> doesn't know.
>> 
>> >If the motivation was to discourage use of Cuban sugar and boost sales of
>> >domestic, why wouldn't we simply require labelling: "This sugar contains
>> >70% imported sugar and 43% imported Cuban sugar."  
>> 
>> Because we have a Representative Democracy and not a Democracy?
> 
>Because the sugar lobby could care less where the foreign competition
>comes from, it simply wants to get rid of it.

The 'sugar lobby'?  Yeah, now THAT sure sounds like a huge enterprise.
If the 'sugar lobby' (which must be a very small thing, since sugar is
hardly a huge part of our economy -- in fact, we've quit producing
nearly the quantity of beet sugar that we used to, so it can't be THAT
bloody profitable) can get all this protection, what happened to the
'wheat' lobby and the 'corn' lobby?  They must be much larger -- why
haven't they gotten the same sort of political favours?

Nothing like a conspiracy theory, Doug . . . 

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: ssloter@gdfwc3.UUCP (Scott Sloter)
Newsgroups: tx.wanted
Subject: cotton bowl tix
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:49:14 GMT
Reply-To: gdfwc3!ssloter@uunet.uu.net
Distribution: tx
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division

I want cotton bowl tickets.  Please e-mail me the number you have, cost for
each ticket, and location (yard line).  

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Newsgroups: tx.wanted
From: collier@zoe.unocal.com (Eddie Collier)
Subject: Wanted Old Jukeboxes
Originator: collier@zoe
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Lafayette, Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:58:33 GMT

Wanted Old Jukeboxes.....

reply to collier@lafayette.unocal.COM
Newsgroups: tx.jobs