HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: War Resisters League on Terrorism (should be "of terrorism.")
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:48:01 GMT

In <1483500203@igc.org> pnmideast@igc.org writes:

[...]

"Peace" (sic) net spouts hypocrisy yet again:

>     3. We oppose and condemn terrorism.

Very commendable.

>Israel, an ally of the U.S., recently
>launched an air strike in Lebanon which killed a Moslem cleric and
>his family, and still holds as a hostage a Moslem cleric who was
>kidnaped by the Mossad.

The deaths of Musawi's wife and child were tragic and regrettable.
However, let's not forget that Musawi was, and Obeid is, a member of
an organization devoted not only to the destruction of Israel by
force, but also the Nazi-like destruction of every Jew in the world,
as they clearly stated after the bombing of Israel's embassy in
Argentina:

	``It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the
	death of the last Jew on earth.''

Let's also not forget that Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad were responsible
for the kidnapping (and in some cases torture and death) of several
innocent hostages, Westerners, Lebanese and Israelis among them.

I wonder how "peace" (sic) net can reconcile its support for this
genocidal organization with "peace" (sic) net's stated goals?  Maybe
they reconcile it by referring to terrorists as "clerics."  Perhaps we
can clean Kahane's memory by calling him a "cleric."  What do you think,
Joel?

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:37:13 GMT

In article <3235@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.085858.11640@u.washington.edu>
>rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandy Hereld) writes:
>
>>I have a lot of bi and lesbian women friends who love to write
>>male/male porn  (well adventure stories too, but they tend to have
>>serious sex in them as well.)  I'm friends with the owner of the
>>local gay book store (Beyond the Closet), and I love to freak him
>>by pointing to books in the store with male pen names and telling
>>him the real author's names.
>
>Could you freak us out too, or is it a Deep, Dark secret?
>--
>     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
>                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca

Yeah, I asked around, and the requests were, tell a friend if you
like but nothing written down/in print. #8^( 

But, for the most part, these aren't big name authors anyway (such
as GBLO fict has Big Name authors...) 

The scariest part is that most of these women got their start
writing male/male stories/porn from writing fan fiction about
Kirk and Spock's sexual relationship, (Except for the one who
got started writing about Starsky and Hutch's sexual relationship.)

(The scariest part is, they're great fun (for women) to read....)

Sandy               Bisexual by Nature, Loud by Choice.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 12 Apr 1992 16:16:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <36185@ogicse.ogi.edu> 
markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
| In article <1992Apr10.191057.28038@flood.com> 
| tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
| >adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
| >| Have you read the Portland proposal?  I'm desperately trying
| >| to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
| >| overflowing with chenille.  (Will I have to wear flats on these
| >| hikes?)
| >
| >Don't sweat it, hon, Mark said we could rent 'em up there.

Such a relief.  Now I'll have room to whoosh a few more odds and
ends into my bags.  (Yes, N.M., I got it.  Now I have to figure out
how to *use* it.)

| Ignore him Arne, dear.  I'll even loan you my spare ice axe.

You have a *spare* ice axe?  As one who is finding that his current
sit- and crunch-ups exercise routine is taxing him to the limits,
I just might have to sit that hike out.

| >As for shoes, hiking boots would be the practical thing,
|
| Well, I don't know.  I told Tom that I might do the trip in my red high
| top converse tennis shoes. However, you might want to shoot for something
| with traction that doesn't clash.  Spikes with a vibram sole might be nice.

Oh dear.  I'd hate to resole several pairs of perfectly good heels just
for this trip.  Would it possible to convince a few of you big strong
boys to play sherpa for the day and *carry* me up the ice cliffs?  I'd
pay you handsomely.

| >             And might even be useful on the glissade...
|
| Oh sure, now you're an expert on glissading?   ;-) ;-) ;-)

You rang?  Glissade, echappe', glissade, echappe', bourree...

| --mark
| who knows a good inside joke when handed one.

Arne
who knows a better inside joke when handed one
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:32:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr10.213208.20284
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr9.220028.3575@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>>Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
>>is a sign that we are winning.
>This is nonsense - if the actors in these films are being paid a fair
>wage for their efforts, no one is being exploited.  Sounds more like
>you guys are jealous you aren't making the big buck$ working as a porn
>star ...

This paragraph, more than any other thing you have said on this forum,
indicates that you really have absolutely *no* comprehension of gay
culture. You really didn't understand what I meant by "exploit", did
you? I feel sorry for you.

But I have to ask - why are you here? It's fairly clear from your
general belligerent attitude that you aren't interested in being
friendly to us. I don't think you want to actually learn anything from
us.

If I'm wrong, then I apologize and I look forward to some interesting
conversations. If I'm right, then go the FUCK away. soc.motss does not
exist as a forum for you to try to assert your pathetic "superiority".
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lou Sheldon is Mad at Pete Wilson -- news item
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:24:27 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar26.141247.25383@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
>
>I've read the posts, and far from being offensive, I think they're
>informative in the specific sense of what language is used about us
>and why; 

I never thought them not informative.  You *are* right.

>I must admit I've known Bryan since the mid-80's [Hi Bryan!] and if
>there was anyone who would be the epitome of sardonic
>in-your-facedness it would be he apropos anti-gay activity. Other
>people have posted anti-gay notices for all to peruse; It is certainly
>far more interesting than, say, puns on fish. 

It is interesting.  I find many things interesting, but not
necessarily in my livingroom.  If I want to study something
as disquieting as this I prefer to do so at some distance.
You don't poke a stick at a large dog within the chain circle.
I'll stand outside thank you.  I can see just fine from there.

It is interesting to know how, or what, someone shits.

I jsut prefer they not do it in my lap.

>But who am I to talk?

Who are you?  Someone who's opinion I have come to respect.





     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
From: gnn@heisenberg.Berkeley.EDU (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:26:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rvru7INNnd7
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: heisenberg.berkeley.edu

In article <j9sg98o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>Well, I recommend different boots.  Then, you can walk like me! 
>
Oh, so it's the boots, I thought it was something else, but, well,
nevermind. 

>
>Ah, boots... Why would one wear anything but?
>

Wait, I'm sure I've seen you wearing Birkenstocks :-)

Kiss Kiss,
George



-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:31:29 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Apr11.101139.846@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
>noone else is around (or even in public)?

Talking Heads' "Once in a Lifetime" or "Wild, Wild Life."  I can't help
myself.  God help the other cars on the road if "Once in a Lifetime" comes
on the car radio; you can't do the hand gestures and steer at the same time,
so something's gotta go...

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

They all went indoors and worked up some most intriguing charades.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 14:53:39 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

hayes@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes):
> In article <jkovbug@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>    [Madonna] would not remove scenes which bothered them. 
> 
> Oh get real. First of all, the guy with the camera should have clued them
> in. And if that didn't work, the release forms they had to sign before
> going on tour must have.

according to the dancers, the entire movie was a mumble-jumble of
confusion.  *they* say that madonna said the movie was for her personal
use.  then half-way thru she pulled out release forms but told them
they could have a say on the content.  then when it almost done, she
said it was a documentary.

as for the cameraman cluing them in, i would imagine that if you had
camera's following you *everywhere*, you would decide at some point
that you just couldn't act 100% of the time.  warren says some
interesting comments in the movie...

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin,,,)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:31:44 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy):
> one thing that occurred to me about outing movie stars: if
> *I* up here in brewer, maine, know that jodie foster, dolly
> parton, whoever, is gay or bi, how closeted can they possibly
> be?

i have an aunt who is a lesbian in love with dolly parton -- next on
oprah.  as a library researcher (or something like that), my aunt has
done a lot of research on dolly and informs me without a shadow of
doubt that dolly is a lesbian.  my aunt asserts that dolly and judy
ogle are lovers.  we sat down and watched some dolly films, and lo and
behold, judy is mentioned at the end of *every* film. apparently, dolly
is married, but in her films, while pictures of judy grace dolly's
desks and walls, the image of her husband is surprisingly lacking...

i have presented this evidence to several gay friends who always tell
me, "jake, you think *everyone* is gay."  then in the next breath, they
assert that they have a friend of a friend of a friend who dated
christian laettner.  go figure!


-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (\'Eamonn Mac M\'aghnuis)
Subject: The name claim to fame game
Originator: emcmanus@vadier.gr.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:59:12 GMT

                      ,
fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (Fabian Jacob van Wingerde) writes:
>:But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
>:if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
>:way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones. 
>You guys don't want me in this argument. Believe me. Or Tsilke instead.

I have a suspicion that there are more than a few motssers who can
pull pronunciation skeletons out of their otherwise unused closets.

,       ,           ,
Eamonn Padraig Mac Maghnuis
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Mormon pamphlet: "For Young Men Only"
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 01:34:29 GMT

manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) wrote: 
->Oh, yes, I haven't forgotten women. In Mormon circles, they definitely
->have their uses: to cook dinner and babies. 

well, i hope they kill the babies before they cook 'em ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Seen at Arby's II
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:39:14 GMT

mcdaniel@adi.com (Tim McDaniel) writes:

>On the medium-size curly-fries thingy:

>   DIFFERENT

>       is

>      GOOD (tm)

(Hi Tim!)

Yeah I saw the slogan too, but my reaction was more along the lines of
"DUHHHH". For most people, "different" means eating fries that are
shaped funny, not fucking somebody of the same sex.

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:23:55 GMT

I think the most disappointing thing about this episode was
learning that Derek Jacobi played Turing as the stuttering
Claudius in "I, Claudius".

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: gay (olympic) games
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:16:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lamont.1992Apr13.201618.20860
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory

for all you people who like to plan WELL in advance, a radio announcement
this morning reminded me that the gay (olympic) games will be held in nyc
in june of 1994.  it will also be the 25th anniversary (i'm pretty sure,
but not positive) of the stonewall riot.  so mark your calendar.

-- 

Phil Mele  (pmele@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu)
Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory of Columbia University
Palisades, N Y  10964
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:15:40 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com

jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II):
>>Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
>>is a sign that we are winning.
> 
> This is nonsense - if the actors in these films are being paid a fair
> wage for their efforts, no one is being exploited.

while i disagree with nelson's original comment, i find your comment to
be stupid but consistent with your attitude on the usage of language --
images are a form of language, after all.

first, it's rather hard to define being paid "fairly" when madonna's
raking in millions because of the images of her dancers.  do you think
her dancers are fairing as well?

on the same note, let's consider MTV's use of scantily clad females in
music videos.  they may agree on, say $500 for the video because that's
*all* the video producer is offering.  now, do you accept a job with a
ceiling of $500 despite the fact that you will be exploited?  or do you
go without lunch for a week in order to stick to your principles?

actually, there really isn't any need to consider that the model is in
a situation where she does it for the money.  perhaps the model herself
is being paid adequately.  however, her image is being projected into
society and consequently has a larger ramification than her own
financial stability.  i would assume that walking around nearly naked
in an MTV video pays fairly well considering that modeling isn't
exactly the career of the homeless.  however, the videos tend to
denigrate and exploit women on the whole, making them objects for
masculinity.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:43:24 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr8.045510.4582@amhux2.amherst.edu>,
    twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> Hmm ... I thought his most famous short was "Aye, And Gomorrah,"
> printed in DANGEROUS VISIONS.  (His first published work?)

Certainly not his first published work.  That was the Fall
of the Towers trilogy.  Next (or maybe in between) came _The
Jewels of Aptor_.  I forget what came next.  But he started
with novels and it seems has mostly written novels.  I
rather like _Triton_ and the Neveryon series.

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: silliness on a thursday
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:53:44 GMT

In article <jcf83r4@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Actually, I did not mean for that to sound like a comment against Arthur,
>who was quite classy in his announcement.  I was thinking more of the
>coverage offered by the SF Comical (Chron...) and Morning Repetition.  The
>media were being obnoxious here, not Arthur.

Lowell Cohn's column in the sporting section was truly revolting; along the
lines of "why do we feel so much worse when a sporting figure gets AIDS than
we do when a normal person like K******** B******* does?"  The first time
I've felt so disgusted by something I read in the paper that it tempted me to
write a letter.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Alice was eating grapes in the park when Herbert, an extremely well-endowed
young man, introduced himself to her.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 10:31:56 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject:    What Mara Missed!

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) says:

 >Dearest, this is *THE* *NEW* *YORK* *CITY* *PRIDE* *PARADE*, and
 >there's nothing that quite compares as those who saw me skipping down
 >5th avenue in my red bikini briefs pushing the radical faeries
 >shopping cart can attest.

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)

>You mean I missed _that_ by going to Toronto?  Sigh...

Mara, Mr. Ry and his cart were "Best Float"!  I read it right here in
our very own soc.motss, so it has to be true.  How those brutal buns
will surpass last year's effort takes some imagining.....perhaps a
Dauberesque turn is called for.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Jack Carroll                   they speak whatever's on their mind
<SECBH@CUNYVM>                  they do whatever's in their pants
                                the boys i mean are not refined
                                they shake the mountains when they dance

                                                             e e cummings
                                                             _No_Thanks_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:25:11 GMT


Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
 
> In article <1992Apr9.172728.20269@wam.umd.edu>
> jns@wam.umd.edu (J.  N.  Shaumeyer) writes:
> 
> >Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com) consoles:
> 
> >> Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) laments:
> 
> >> Greg Parkinson (glp@fig.citib.com) risks his verisimilitude:
>   
> [...]
> 
> >How about: "Mara looks after Mr. Dyer, while Jeff sees
> >to the comfort of Mr. [Looks-Brains-Beauty] Parkinson"?
> 
> I'm *sure* I'm the only reader for miles around who thinks
> Jeff's proposal could be just the *teensiest* bit
> self-serving, hm?  Harrumph!

I'm *sure* you are.  I was thinking *only* of Mara's
pleasure, and Mr. Parkinson's comfort, of course.

[Actually, I thought later that it sounded more like
 a subtitle for an episode of 'The Avengers': Mrs. Peel 
 finds one appealing, while Steed steadies a stud.]

--jns
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Names in the News
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:36:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92097.003620IO81409
 <92089.023610IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
 <1992Apr3.005017.28322@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

are there twelve-step programs for this?  or do i have to
admit that my life is unmanageable first?

                                -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:04:16 GMT

In article <joshua.702833510@coombs>, joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
writes:
|> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
|> 
|> >Which rather reminds me of Harlan Ellison's comment that he'd
|> >never had a gay man make a pass at him -- and wondered what
|> >was wrong with HIM that it had never happened....(!)
|> 
|> well I don't know about anyone else, but *I* don't *do* midgets.

Actually, Harlan's wrong, but he's just pretty slow about it.

Hey, I was young, lonely, and in South Florida, OK?!
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Editing the subject line
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:41:51 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr12.123031.12384@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Am I the only person around here who knows how to edit a
>header Subject: line?

No.

>Or do I just fail to notice when someone else does it?

Yes.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca