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From: mikec@hfglobe.intel.com (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Where is the heights?
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:19:02 GMT

I realize this isn't alt.tv.the_heights, but what the hell, all of
Foxes new "drama" series are just clonses of bh90210, which is a
adolescent "thirtysomething". Anyway, what happened to"The Heights".

Are they breaking up so they can do a reunion tour in a few years?

Seriously, does anyone have the disposition on the status of the series.

thanks,

Mike

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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Re: FAVORITE LINE FROM HEATHERS
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:03:04 GMT

My favorite line...

At Heather Chandler's funeral, guy says

"Gee god, Why'd you have to kill such hot snatch??"

-----------------------------
J.R. Ordon
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: 12/16/92
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:26:30 GMT


What a great episode!

it was what 90210 is all about.

Fun to watch, but in the end, its..well...silly.

I wonder if the makers/creators/producers realize that this show is sorta
silly, and that it always has to have politically-correct happy endings, and
that they made this episode sorta tounge-in-cheek?

Unlikely, but possible...

Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: sunny@pop.cis.yale.edu (Sunny Park)
Subject: Re: 12/16/92
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Organization: Brat Pack, Yale University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:41:41 GMT

In article <BzEA46.M4@utdallas.edu>, goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
wrote:
> 
> 
>
> I wonder if the makers/creators/producers realize that this show is sorta
> silly, and that it always has to have politically-correct happy endings, and
> that they made this episode sorta tounge-in-cheek?
> 
> Unlikely, but possible...

I think it is very likely. I was just thinking that myself. It's getting so
unbelievably campy lately that they must be doing it on purpose. (I mean,
think about the shots to the drunken truck driver. They were so overdone.
And the It's a Wonderful Life stuff...) And the episode with Andrea's car
accident, etc. was also pretty random,too. 

Maybe now that it's "Senior Year" the writers are trying to do all the
things they've wanted to do, like making their characters do, well, silly
things. Maybe fuck around a little with their characters before they start
writing cheesy, "serious" college plots for the cast next year. (Are they
all going to go to California U. after they graduate?)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:23:51 GMT

In article <mattm-111292154804@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.213205.1762@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>,
>swiet@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) wrote:
>> 
>> 	Exactly the reason I watch!  Someone else understands!  :)
>> I love the body language and facial expressions...they make the show...
>
>These testimonials of bored disinterest ring about as true as
>Clinton's claim that he "didn't inhale."  Yeah, right.  You watch,
>or you don't watch.  If you watch, don't make no difference, honey
>buns, why.  
>
>You still watch.

	Of course I do!  It's not disinterest!  I love the show!
Funniest thing on television!  :)


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From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Favorite lines from Heathers
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:34:31 GMT

phoebe@pop.cis.yale.edu (Phoebe Moore) writes:
[about Heathers]
>I like the part where Winona says to Shannen, "Why can't you just be a
>friend, Heather?  Why do you have to be such a megabitch?"  And Shannen
>says, "Because I can be."  Best ever! 

judging from what i've been hearing about shannon over the last few
months, it wasn't much of a stretch for her to play that part...

--mike
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: UC or not UC - NOT! (Should be: Class of '96) (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:33:27 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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David Lee wrote:
> Larry Riedel writes:
> >                                    UC Berkeley is certainly referred to
> >as "Cal" or "California," mainly because it was the first campus
> >(1873?)
> 
>                                   Cal simply has the oldest campus.

The first was in Oakland, but it moved to Berkeley in 1873, right?  My
dictionary says "UC Berkeley [...] (1868)," which I guess is because
it's the same original school, it just moved.  All I know about this is
what I read, so I will defer to you if you know more.

You're right the Office of the Regents is still in Oakland.  Silly me.


> And, having visited the East Bay several times in the past year for visits to
> both the Berkeley campus and UCOP, the Berkeley campus is referred to by the
> "locals" as UC or the "University of California".

Here in San Diego, the locals refer to UCSD as "UC" or the "University of
California," and when I lived in Santa Barbara, the locals referred to 
UCSB as as "UC" or the "University of California," but I wouldn't have
thought that counts toward the name when used in a national context.

I'm not saying Berkeley isn't referred to that way in a national
context, because I don't know for sure.  I just haven't heard it, and I
was interested in a reference.


> It's not.  At least the "around campus" scenes are shots of buildings around
> UCLA.  Besides, they called it something like Clarington Univ. or College, not
> California.

Oh, really?  I didn't notice that.  Can you remember a particular episode?
I heard them say California University several times, but maybe they changed
the name recently and I wasn't really paying attention.


Larry
From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: California University, etc.
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:22:38 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA


Well, I went back and checked a few of the episodes I have
on tape to find some sort of clue to what exactly
"California University" refers.  

In the Looking for Colleges/Kelly in the Shower episode,
Brandon says California University is "cheap and right here
in L.A."  Therefore, CU is not Berkeley.

In the Rick Returns/David's Gonna Explode episode, Rick
tells Brenda that he transferred to UCLA.  Therefore, since
CU and UCLA are both mentioned, CU can't be a euphemism for
UCLA.

In nearly every episode, Steve talks about how he has to go
to USC.  Therefore, CU can't be a euphemism for USC.

Now, I don't have any of my old "Choose A College" books 
lying around, so I can't check to see if there are any 
other schools that could possibly be referred to as
California University that are "cheap and right here in L.A."
Perhaps someone else will look, but I'd bet that California
University is meant to be fictional.  Heck, maybe they'll
just change the sign on the front of the West Beverly building
and use the same set!  It could happen.  :)


- Bob
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:46:24 GMT

In article <1gro9eINNrri@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>In article <1gr1ulINN7d3@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>>ROBERT MACKENNA (rjm1@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
>>
>>>               but I was sure she'd be rejected so she could just
>>> "happen" to wind up at the University of California (a thinly-disguised
>>> Berkeley, I think)
>>
>>Fortunately it's not.
>>
>>Larry
>
>Larry:  :P
>
>By implication, University of California without a suffix to it like
>"Santa Barbara" or "Davis" or saying UCLA, means UC-Berkeley.  The sports
>teams at Berkeley usually have the word "California" on their jerseys and the
>football team has the script "Cal" on their helmets.  
>

True, but I believe on 90210 the school that was mentioned was
California University, NOT University of California.  They aren't
necessarily the same thing.  It makes more sense that they'd all
go to UCLA rather than Berkeley anyway, so why assume CU means
Berkeley?


- Bob
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: dylan is slime! was: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:23:32 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Ginamaria Klein (gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
> please, please, please forgive this waste of bandwith...
> i normally dont do this... 

> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

> >Ginamaria Klein (gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
> >> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
> >Oh really?  Well then your must live in that BH90210 fantasy America
> >where people actually care about each other, don't judge people based
> >on hearsay and innuendo, and try to have a standard of behavior that
> >might actually conform that awful Judeo-Christian (ooh - I shudder to
> >even type the word) code of ethics.  But we all know that's not
> >realistic.
>
>                                                                     no,
> my life is not based in judeo christian ethics, and i really resent you
> implying that.

I didn't mean to imply that.  I meant to imply that you MIGHT CONFORM
to the Judeo-Christian code of ethics, which is the one presented on the
show.  You might not have even heard of the Jewish or Christian religions
and still conform to their code of ethics.

Heaven forbid that I would accuse anyone of being Christian.


> >It's also my impression that it is because she is the school slut that
> >she is only approached by the kind of guys that are interested in sluts,
> >and she doesn't want anything to do with them.  The respectable guys
> >are apprehensive because of her reputation, and also intimidated by
> >her status as beauty queen.
>
> but you just said she wasnt a slut?!

Sorry, I should have put quotes around, or capitalized "school slut."
I assumed we would distiguish the titular role of "school slut," from
the actual practice of slut-like behavior.  She garnered the title
three years ago, and so she still has it - but she doesn't deserve it.


> >Kelly never did anything to hurt Brenda, but she did compromise her
>
> hooo, boy! you sure have a strange definition of hurt!

Sorry, let me rephrase: She never did anything for the purpose of
hurting Brenda.


> >and she apologized for what she did do.  I would trust Kelly as much as
>
> so, an im sorry makes it all go away? the girl hasnt even stopped, look at
> the coming attractions. SLIME!

She apologized for what she did secretly.  Now it's out in the open.  If
she does more stuff with Dylan and Brenda objects, then that's Brenda's
problem since she pretty much gave Kelly the go-ahead.


> >                                         I would trust Kelly as much as
> >I would trust anyone.
>
> my, you are a cynic, arent you. or, as i said before, do you make special
> allowances for the goodlooking people?

I think Kelly is trustworthy.  Not perfectly so, but I don't think anyone is.


Larry
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:00:31 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ginamaria Klein) writes:

>larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

>>For whatever reasons, the power brokers at 90210 decided at some point
>>this year to make us love to hate Brenda Walsh.  So we do.  The
>>geniuses of yellow journalism know that most viewers don't distinguish
>>between the characters on a TV show and the actors that portray them -
>>hence a perfect opportunity to smear Shannen Doherty.  So they
>>capitalized.  That's America.

>first: thats damn well not the america i live in

>second: i agree that the america we live in finds it hard to separate actors
>        and characters

>third: how the hell have the `power brokers' decided to make us hate brenda 
>       walsh? ive heard a ton of stuff on this group about her being such a 
>       bitch, but compared with who? with ahhhhndrea, who isnt enough of a 
>       human let alone woman to stand up for herself without the paper to hide
>       behind? kelly who in a self centered ego boost somehow goes from school
>       slut to girl who cant get laid except by her best friends boyfriend? 
>       donna is sweet, but damn well annoying most of the time--- the girl 
>       seems to be growing up though--- perhaps shes realizing what a bunch of
>       dorks she is hanging with? 

Hey, I haven't seen the show in a while, but I thought andrea was a cool 
character....  At least she's a little intelligent, and she didn't seem to
be caught up in all this Who's-my-boyfriend-this-week stuff....

>im sorry, but what did brenda ever do to derserve not only a prick of a 
>boyfriend like im-so-hot-and-moody-and-the-girls-all-love-me-dylan and a best 
>friend like kelly--- really, now, the girl is hot, but would _you_ trust her 
>alone with your boyfriend? would you even want a backstabbing slut like that 
>as a friend? ok, sure, pull up that fling in france and say look, she is just 
>as bad. if you have to justify and twist everything that much to accept what
>the `beautiful people' have done, just ignore this whole post. what brenda did
>in france is far from good, but hell, its alot better than what dylan did.
>look, if you had your choice of which one you wanted your dear one to do, which
>would it be?

>just my two cents.
>please forgive me if its cruel.

>gina

Whoa!! Slow down there....  You know, it's just a TV show....


Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner
From: rbrbrn@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Robert Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.90210
Subject: Re: DONNA FINALLY GETS HER DAY!
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:03:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1gpebpINNecv@cronkite.cisco.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.050038.6946@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>>
>>I'm so happy.  Donna finally got a nice, big part.  She deserves it.

No, actually, she deserves a nice, big dick.
From: sse@Unify.com (Susan Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Brenda on Billboard Music Awards
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:27:35 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

Yo!

I'm suprised that nobody has posted a reaction to Brenda's speech on
the Billboard Awards last Wednesday.

Phil Collins announced that the next presenter would be Shannen Doherty.
(I didn't hear her name.)  Suddenly I saw this woman who looked like
Elvira.  (She really looked kind of trashy to me.  Her hair was in her
eyes and she was wearing a leather black halter top.)

Suddenly the audience started booing at her (75% were booing and the
other 25% were clapping) *throughout her entire speech*.  She paused
for a moment as if she might retort something but changed her mind.

It was kind of sad.  The other thing is that most of the audience consisted
of rock groups...not just the general public.  So they might know her
personality better than the public would.

Susan
sse@unify.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Re: the video
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:33:15 GMT


About the a-representation of various ethinc groups on 90210:
	Yeah.  But remember that TV "realism" is never "realistic"

And while we're making a list of folks who really should  show up on the
series, let's add Jews to the list (African-Americans, Asian-Americans, 
Latino/as, et cetera).  I think that it's really weird that the only
nominally "Jewish" (but her mom's not, so she's "not") character on the show
is Andrea ----but wait, I guess that the Silvers are Jewish !! 
 Until it was confirmed earlier this season that Donna's family
was Catholic, I'd sort of assumed that they were Jewish.

I would really love to see the "popcorn" family come back to the show.  They
were excellent!!  Apparently, though, the "official" explanation for why
the Af-Am family "disappeared" from the 90210 universe is that the actors
and actresses who played the family members got other jobs and were 
unavailable to play regular roles.  I'm sorry, but unless the Af-Am computer
nerd boy gets a LIFE soon (sort of like David did), he just will not cut it!
He's cute, though...the potential is there.

All in all, though, FACE IT: 90210 is a WASP fantasy nostalgic for the myth
of California as land of safe, scrubbed-but-wild, rich, beautiful, perpetual
youth.  Superficially, the show is hot-n-topical, but its real appeal (IMHO)
is in the way that it recalls a kinder, gentler, Gidget-A-Go-Go California
with just a trace of "Less Than Zero"ness added for believability.
Is it really any surprise that the characters who are somehow "Other" to 
this WASPness are marginal or token at best??

I mean, just consider the way that 90210 glossed decades (and centuries)
of racism in the "So. Central football game" episode by having everyone
dance together at the close of the episode.  Happy Happy (humbug!).
This was totally laughable, unimaginative, and pathetic!!

It is for all of these reasons that 90210 is a pretty fascinating show.

The one thing that will make me stop watching FOREVER (and I MEAN it) is if
they continue to press this David-the-White-Boy-Rapper thing.  Ack!!!
Get a clue!!!  90210 used to feature much cooler music on its soundtrack
(The Meat Puppets performed on the first episode).  Wonder what happened?
That Shanice tune is nice and high-school lovey, but it's BORING (sorry 
Shanice fans).  The writers/producers had better watch their manipulations
in this area (IMHO the 90210 S'track is pretty pathetic!!). 

Just, please, let David's rap career end NOW!!!!  Or at least keep it off
camera.  Else I'll have to start a David Must Die newsletter, something that I really do not have the time to do!!!!
ACK!!!!
						crystal


Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin)
Subject: Re: are they serious?
Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:27 GMT

In <1gqmamINN65m@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

>Neal Cohen (ncohen1@cc.swarthmore.edu) wrote:
>> Was that episode for real? It was the absolute cheesiest thing that I've
>> ever seen.

>No, it wasn't for real.  The holiday episodes, and especially the
>Christmas episodes are supposed to be sentimental and surreal.

Sentimental yes, but surreal?  I don't think so.

I agree it was the cheesiest episode they've ever done.  I thought that
from the very first minutes of the show.  The jumping around from scene
to scene was most annoying.

Anyone know who the voices were?  The male voice sounded a lot like
Danny DeVito.

Also, does anyone think they'll finally get Andrea and Brandon together now?
They're both coming off the rebound, and the possibility was heavily hinted
at this show.
--
Trip Martin
night@acm.rpi.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,yale.opie
From: warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)
Subject: Andrea gets into Yale!
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Organization: Mail Forwarding Department, Yale College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:17:37 GMT

Hi.

Hey, three cheers for 90210's best-looking brunette!  A few observations.

1.  "Which is it, thick or thin?"  What's up with that?
     Every high-school student worth his/her salt knows that
     early action admits are thin, too -- they send you the main
     material in April with everyone else.

2.  "Well, the first word is 'congratulations'..."  NOT!
     Being the oh-so-staid, snotty institution that it is, Yale
     begins its acceptance letters with "We are pleased to inform
     you that you have been accepted into the class of 1997."

That's what media is like, though.  You think it's all accurate until
it covers something you know, and then it's all wrong.  Oh, well.


Matt

P.S.  This post does not mention the movie 'Heathers,' nor one of
      my favorite lines from the movie -- when Veronica talks about
      how instead of going to college early, "I use my amazing smarts
      to hit three keggers before curfew."  Well, Andrea, there are no
      curfews for you now...


-- 
Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:03:44 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:


>cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) writes:

>>cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:
>> 
>One word:

>Yes!

>My entire suite watches the show religiously.  We enjoy the story lines,
>because they're kind of cheesy, etc., but the MAIN reason for most of us
>is Kelly.  Wow.  When she was on Arsenio--WOW!  She's a vision.  Attractive,
>nice (she DID buy her parents a new house), attractive, polite, attractive,
>good-natured, attractive, good sense of humor, and attractive.

I think you forgot to mention how attractive she is.... :)

>                                                 __
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>                                                stengel@cmu.edu
>                                           Carnegie Mellon University
>                                                 (412) 268-8372
From: mary@lgc.com (Mary Peterson)
Subject: Re: Out on a Limb
Organization: LandMark Graphics Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:01:35 GMT

In article <1g9qfrINNqv4@athena.sdsu.edu>, larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
|> I don't like to make predictions, because I'm usually wrong, but I'm
|> going to go out on a limb and predict that Dylan doesn't have and won't
|> get AIDS.  So if he does, feel free to ridicule me.  I realize that it's
|> common knowledge that he does/will, but why would I let facts bother me?
|> 
|> 
|> Larry

I'll go out on the limb with you, Larry. I have never bought the AIDs idea
for Dylan. I mean, he does have a large following of fans (not necessarily
me) and everyone looks at ratings. I don't think they'll let one of their
big stars be written out. But then again, maybe everyone would tune in each
week to see if he is still living. They could use a bogus tease line/shot
like they did with Kelly and Brenda looking surprised at who Brandon brought
home for T-day.

By the way, has anyone heard more about the new show on Fox, coming in Jan/Feb
about college age 90210 types? I only have seen one promo, so I didn't catch
the name. I also missed the promo for the next 90210, what was in it? All I
know is what someone posted about Dylan saying he loved both of them. What
a weenie!

-- 
Mary
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