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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:42:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <Bx84DM.ILM@ncifcrf.gov> by masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda):

> In article <1992Nov4.202157.8767@cci632.cci.com> sjo@cci632.cci.com (Steve Owens) writes:

> >	True, and I'd much rather see the government spend money on
> >proper firearms training than on legislation and bans that serve no
> >useful purpose.
> 
>      Do you have any idea how to encourage people to take the training
> without legislation?

Yes.  Just offer it.  In almost EVERY case I've ever heard of, where the police
offer firearms safety and defense courses they are OVERWHELMED with applicants,
especially women.

The problem is that those who want to prevent people from defending themselves
work hard to ensure that such classes are NOT available, and ESPECIALLY not 
available in schools.  Oddly enough they also ensure that the police are not
legally liable for not defending you either.  The inevitable result is to 
reduce the population to the status of Tokugawa era peasants, subject to
"sword testing" by the criminals with NO means of defense, and NO recourse
from ANYBODY.  New York City is a PERFECT example of this.



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From: ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: call for a new newsgroup
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:28:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I must admit the 'k' key has gotten a LOT of use lately, but I am
not so sure that having a moderated newsgroup is the answer. Yes,
moderation will kill the blathering noise, but it may also kill some
articles that ARE of interest to some on here, simply because the
moderator isn't interested. Also, just who would get to moderate
this group? Would we vote?
	Putting it into e-mail will just have those same blathering
messages in your mail file, unless the group is going to be
selective in who it admits. I suppose the admin would kick people
out if he/she decides their messages are no good? Who would get to
be moderator?

	Just my 2 cents.
		Maiko
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From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:06:48 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> As quoted from <7403@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> by blamb@hri.com 
=> (Bill Lambert):
=> > > >Secondly, he believes that police are justified in shooting children
=> > > >with toy guns.

=> > > Yes, I do. I guess you believe in dead police.

=> > No... I believe in live children.

In article <Bx7A2q.E1D@NCoast.ORG>, cmort@NCoast.ORG
(Christopher Morton) writes:
=> How do you propose that the police determine if a gun is a toy or not?  By 
=> allowing themselves to be shot with the real ones?

If they're weren't so many real ones around, they wouldn't have to
worry quite so much.

=> > > Why not just ban the sale of handguns to juveniles?

=> > I don't believe juveniles have legal access to handguns in Boston,
=> > as far as I know, anyway. 

=> Thanks for making my point.  They don't have LEGAL access.  They do have
=> ACCESS.  They'll continue to do so for the forseeable future.

Where the hell do you think the guns came from? Are they homemade?
Were they smuggled from a foreign country? The vast majority are
bought "legally", and then end up in the hands of criminals either
through theft or black market sales. Why people refuse to acknowledge
this glaring fact is beyond me. Most guns that criminals have are made
and sold in the U.S... legally!

=> > > Why don't you go talk to your local policeman and ask him what he thinks?
=> > > If he feels the same way about shooting kids with toy guns as I do,
=> > > are you going to agitate for taking his gun away too?
=> > 
=> > I don't have to ask my local policemen what they think about gun control.
=> > Both the Mass Assoc. of Police Chiefs and the Boston Police Patrolman's
=> > Union are vocal and visible supporters of gun control....
=> > 
=> Becuase they are political appointees.  They and their bosses are members of
=> the national gun control industry.  It is in their interest to continue the
=> lie that the police protect people....

I see. The police want a high violent crime level so they can maintain
their jobs. This, I'm sure, is a more paramount concern than their
lives. Hey... what's getting shot a few times compared to job
security?

- Bill Lambert
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:37:08 GMT
	<1992Nov4.181359.20656@adobe.com> <Bx7z7I.GAx@ncifcrf.gov>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov's message of 5 Nov 92 01:38:06 GMT

In article <Bx7z7I.GAx@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
   (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

 =}  If this were an another-Japanese-tourist-mugged-in-Manhattan-because-he-
 =}recklessly-stepped-into-a-dangerous-area kind of incident, I might think
 =}it rather understandable. The reason why this incident is taken so seriously
 =}in Japan is that Japanese cannot understand why it happened in such a
 =}supposedly modern, civilized, and well-controlled part of the country
 =}and why an ordinary citizen can cause an undeserved death to an innocent
 =}youth so easily.  

   Then maybe those Japanese should pay attention to their own nightly
news more often.  Then they could ask the same questions of their own
nation before condemning the US...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: IS this
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:26:37 GMT

Personally i like Akiko Yano and my small fantasy is to get ahold of a tape
of her Granola album. (with the complete lyrics of all songs!)
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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: internment camps
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:01:03 GMT

And of course the injustice in Canada was thus amplified by the climate in BC
at that time.

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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:06:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvm1.PA142548.428.721505188
Organization: University of Tennessee

In article <10NOV199221260689@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>>Saying "freeze!" with the gun is far from self-defense.  Peirs shot
>>Hattri with clear intention of killing before break-in or starting
>>fire. It is very close to a murder.  I'm very impressed by that fact
>>that many readers of s.c.j protect the irrational shoot.
>
>Actually there has been a significant number of posts (at least initially
>when the incident was reported on scj) that strongly criticised the
>shooting.  What you are seeing is actually a microcosm of the US about
>the gun debate.  A very loud (or in the netnews sense, very fast typing)
>and aggressive group who are probably card-carrying NRA members use the

No, some of us just place individual rights over government power.

>natural fear of crime as way to encourage people in the US that any form
>of gun-control will take away the right for Americans to kill anyone from
>dangerous criminals to suspicious intruders to less-than-suspicious looking
>tuxedo-wearing boys.  

No.  Any form of gun control will result in an infringement on a 
constitutionally protected civil liberty.

>You now see why gun-control advocates have such
>a difficult time in the US.
>
>-- Makoto
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From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:14:13 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

cecchini@acsu.buffalo.edu (Julie A Cecchini) writes:

> The very sad thing is, that he will probably be convicted due
> to diplomatic pressure.  Furthermore, I have seen NO evidence
> that he *wasn't* trying to break in.

While diplomatic pressure may have caused him to be prosecuted, I don't
think it will have much effect on the jury's decision to convict or not.
Of course the man is ruined either way. Defending himself against the
manslaughter charge will probably take everything he has. then there is
the prospect that Hatori's family may bring a civil suit against him.
Even if he is acquited of the state charges, he may face the cheerful
prospect of being charged with violating Hatori's civil rights by the
federal government.

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47 COLLEGE STUDENTS IN ROPPONGI
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:30:47 GMT

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
: (AP) -- What had started as a leftist demonstration opposing the impending
: appointment of former prime minister Takeshita in the wake of a recent
: bribery scandal, ended in carnage and mayhem, leaving a smoke-filled 
: main intersection at Roppongi strewn with corpses, rubble, overturned buses,
: and shattered glass glittering under cold neon lights.  
: 

       Once I saw a confrontation between right-wing group and anti-war 
demonstrators came from Yoyogi park at Shibuya station. There were dozens 
of right-wing members, hundreds of demonstrators and dozens of riot-police 
officers.  In addition, the intersection was crowded with thousands of 
spectators (Yajiuma).

      In such situations, you can spectate quite safely in Japan as if you 
watch on TV.
-- 
Nobuyasu KANEKAWA  (E-mail address in Japan : kanekawa@hrl.hitachi.co.jp)
   Ich bin am gluecklichsten wenn Ich bei dir bin.
  "Boku ha kimi to iru toki ga ichiban shiawase nanda." Yuzo Kayama
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Friends of Masuda
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:11:33 GMT

In article <7441@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

>
>Masuda's ever increasing circle of "friends" is visable testimony to
>this fact.

Actually, I don't think I could count Masuda as a friend as I've never
met him, but of all the people on the other side of this discussion, I
found him to be one of the few who posted well-thought views, for
which I have a great deal of respect for him.  

Seeing as how this has strayed from s.c.j (who was the first to
crosspost it anyway?) I will be following up in t.p.g to new or valid
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From: watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Originator: swatt@mickey.CS.Yale.Edu
Organization: Yale University, Computing & Information Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:52:40 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.074336.20679@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov5.023758.29727@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
|> >	It turns out that the homeowner was indicted by the grand
|> >jury today.  If convicted, he could get a sentence of up to 40 years.
|> 
|> It's worth noting, that a conviction by a Grand Jury simply means
-----------------------------^^^^^^^^^^

Frank, the verb here should be "indictment"; Grand Juries do not "convict"
ever.

|> that _some_ evidence of criminal conduct exists, to justify 
|> legal action against someone. It neither that says the accused is
|> innocent, nor guilty.
|> 
|>                                                Frank Crary
|>                                                CU Boulder
|> 
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From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Entertainment
Keywords: cheap eats
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:06:29 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew Int'l Ltd., Tokyo

In article <1992Nov2.181326.17249@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

[]What's the cheapest udon now, you folks in Japan?

At the tachi-gui sobayasan near my station :

Kake udon : 150 (or soba)
Kaki furai : Y50 mashi
Ebit ten : Y80 mashi
Tamago : Y50 mashi
Go-han : Y120
Natto : Y50 mashi
Inarizushi : Y60
Onigiri : Y90
Kare Raisu : Y240
Omori : Y50 mashi

Try kake-udon omori+tamago+Gohan omori+natto=Y470 (US$ 3.83!)=You're stuffed.

Actually, with kake-udon+kaki furai+gohan+natto (Y370=US$3.01)=You're stuffed.

Bon appetit !
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:48:22 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: call for a new newsgroup
	<1992Nov10.081605.25034@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp>

Mr. Itasaka,


               Are you really this conservative. To the point were 156+
new expressions are expressed. Whether they are below your intelligence
or not should make no difference. I can understand Mark's attitude he's
still back in WWII. The old days are over. We can only look back but
never truely go back. America elected a new President for change for the
future. I know that Nipppon has a future. That's why I am here! Oh, yea
met a very angry Korean graduate student from University of
Pittsburgh(PITT). He was very angry that I was Japanese but he used very
much control. He said that his mother and Grandmother hated the Japanese
because of the terrible treatment. He said that his grandmother was
raped by Japanese soldiers. I could not convince him that I was sorry.
You looked like he want to beat me up. But, he used extraordinary power
to control himself and not act like the animal that the Imperial
Military was.
 I was very afraid but if he would have hit me I would have done nothing. I am
glad he didn't he was very big.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: New era in American politics....
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 10:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.160521.233@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>Technically Mr. Clinton is still a president-elect, but I agree that
>he diserves a hardy "Omedetou gozaimasu".  I was watching this morning's
>"Super Time", a news broadcast from Japan, and noticed one word that
>was repeated over and over: wakai (young).   The big headline read
>"Taikoku no Wakaki Riidaa" ("A youthful leader of the superpower").
>Clinton and Gore both being in their 40's, I think, was a significant
>part of their success in US, but the age factor must have been something
>to behold in the ojiisan-dominated politics of Japan (ojiisan=grandpa).

One of the first things that Japan should do is to reform the position
of prime minister by making it a _directly_ _elected_ position and renaming
it "president".  This will have the twin beneficial effects of (1) making
it very hard for any single party (like the LDP) to control the Japanese gov't
and (2) injecting youth and change into the position of prime minister.

Concerning #1, look at the American legislature and executive.  The former
has been controlled during most of the last 50 years by the one party
(the Democrats).  If our system were like the Japanese one, where the
executive (president) is selected by the legislature, then almost all
our presidents in the last 50 years would have been from one party (the
Democrats).  Because the executive and the legislative branch are separately
elected body, it is very hard for one party to control both of them.

#2 follows from #1.  If the position of prime minister were directly
elected during the Uno crisis and if the election date had fallen 
square in the middle of that crisis, then there would have been a very
good change that the populace would have booted Uno and any other geratric
LDP-sponsored candidate and, instead, would have picked an opposition
candidate with some new ideas.

(Look at what happened to Bush.  The economy is mired in a recession at
just the moment that the election is being held; this inopportune moment
resulted in change--Bush loses the election.)

>
>Seening all the petty, unproductive infighting that's still plaguing the
>Japanese politics, I couldn't help but to be envious of the "democracy
>in action".  I guess one of the faction (Ozawa?) is supposed to represent
>reform, youth, and change, but of course we're talking about LDP :-(.
>
>Lucky for you, I can't think of any more senryuu right now :-)

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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: US vs. Japan (was: Try it again - ...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:41:09 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov12.150207.28147@acuson.com>
miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:

>	The US national debt as a fraction of GNP is slightly greater
>	than Germany's, and slightly smaller than Japan's.  Within
>	the industrialized world, the US debt/GNP is about average
>	at ~0.7.  Italy's is ~1.1, Belgium's ~1.25.  Canada's is
>	higher as well.  THe US used to be very low in the list
>	at around 0.33-0.36 from the 50s until 1980, when Reagan
>	took office and it is the trend which is most disturbing.
>	Don't mistake trade deficits for internal budget deficits.

I'm not mistaking internal budget deficits for trade deficits.  They
essentially are the same when we simultaenously run large deficits in
both categories because the end result is financing of the national debt
by foreign powers that be.  Your concept of "internal" budget deficits
is not realistic when a considerable portion is financed by other
nations in the form of capital assets acquisitions.  Initially, this
looks good, because influx of foreign investment helps keep interest
rates low, but, in the long run, the profits earned by the acquired
assets leave the nation and do not circulate and gain from the
multiplier effect.  If the US wants to make foreign investment
beneficial in the long run, then it should establish a one way capital
flow investment system like other countries...i.e. sure, come and invest
all you want, but profits are heavily taxed for foreign corporations,
and capital flight out of the country is also heavily taxed in one way
or another.

Jaa, James
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From: acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: the mystery of Rikiya Asano
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:13:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Los Angeles.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug

In article <MS-C.721590214.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
>
>Given that the infamous Rikiya Asano rants started at about the
>beginning of the current semester, it is quite likely that we are not
>dealing with the real Rikiya Asano.  Possibly, the real Rikiya Asano
>is back home in Hokkaido^, completely clueless that he is being made
>to look like an idiot in front of the entire world, perhaps sad that
>he dropped out of CMU.
>

>[Asano is even being mocked on the fj.* newsgroups!  Curiously, the
> Japanese posters have been writing his name in katakana.  Could
> this be a psychological way of distancing Asano from the Japanese
> race?]

Hum now inquiring minds know!  Boy now the REAL Rikiya Asano might
want to change his name due to this !


			Joe Acosta