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From: hsinglet@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Hayward Singletary)
Subject: Re: Jordan
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola Inc.
Distribution: ny
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:07:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.002615.9336@oswego.Oswego.EDU>, vbcs3650@Oswego.EDU (Brandon Leib) writes:
> In article <yury.08j4@bknight.jpr.com> yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
> >
> >	Well Jordan did another showan move today when playing against the
> >KNICKS. He decided the the fans were bothering him too much so he closed
> >his eyes and shot freetrhrows with his eyes closed..... He was 2 for 2
> >that way. Add another one to Air Jordan Showman moves.
> >
> >--
> I think that Jordan is a real show off.
> I mean he probably was betting on golf games and maybe on
> basketball, but of course since he is the "big" NBA star, he cannot
> be suspended or fined or it will be a let down to all of the kids
> since their hero is a "loser".
> Closing his eyes is a sign of a real ass.
>
How about him just trying to give the fans what they came to see.  That
is why the Chicago on the road is such a hit and money maker for the NBA.
I don't think he was betting on basketball games (golf is another story).
I don't think he denied that he was doing that.  If he was, what is the
problem??  He has been suspended and fined before. (so wake up!)
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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Jordan to play Baseball ?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:21:43 EDT

>Wonder how much a Michael Jordan minor league baseball card will sell for?

	Well, it'd surely sell for more than the Major League card for that
noted two-sport legend, Danny Ainge... *grin*
From: ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers and Pistons trivia...
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:02:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <167C613E7E.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>The Lakers and the Pistons are the only 2 teams in the NBA that are capable of
>having 9 consecutive seasons where they finish 10 games over .500.
>The way the Lakers are playing, it looks doubtful for them, though. :-(
>
>--Eric

Even more remarkable is the fact that the Lakers have a chance to
finish the season with a winning road record-- and still miss the
playoffs!  When's the last time any team managed *that*?

Tony
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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: random thoughts
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:26:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr15.182601.15702
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Brian A. Gordon writes:
>1.  If the Lakers DID get Shaq and wanted to trade him, how about
>sending his rights to Phoenix for Hornacek, Majerle, and a #1?  (This
>is kinda a response to someone who earleir mentioned the need for a
>Hornacek-type)

Uh, BAD move here. Before you Shaq-is-Gawdduh fanatics start flaming,
let me point out that you are trading one of the 2 best bench players
in the league AND one of the toughest guards AND a late first round
pick for an unproven player who didn't significantly improve his
fundamentals in three years in college? Boy, I wish you were in my
fantasy league, would I have a deal for you!

Besides, we all know that Shaq will never be a superstar until he 
learns to shoot free throws. *ack*whoompf!*

O, sorry, Jim.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors University
"If you're going to be THAT sycophantic, you may as well go there now
 and stick your tongue STRAIGHT down his trousers." - Rik Mayall, The
 Young Ones
From: alanj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: point guards (who is best?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:39:24 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <9845@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>, koswatta@bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr13.095142.54410@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>Did anyone catch the segment NBC did on point guards before the Lakers-Jazz
>>game on Saturday?  They did a loose comparison between John Stockton, Tim
>>Hardaway, Isiah Thomas, Kevin Johnson, and Mark Price.  
>>
>>They asked each one who they thought was the best point guard in the league.
>>Only Hardaway answered the question and he picked Stockton.
> ...
>>Alan 
> 
> Well I was in Cleveland (Ohio) when I watch the same Lakers-Jazz game
> on Saturday.  NBC showed a slightly different version here in Ohio. ;-)
> 
> In Ohio's version of that same game,
> Stockton said Kevin Johnson is the best.
> Kevin said Isiah is the best.
> Isiah said Price is the best.
> And finally Magic said Magic is the best.


They showed that part first here too.  At first I thought they were asking each
one who was best but they didn't actually ask anything.  It just started with
Hardaway saying Stockton
then Stockton saying KJ
then KJ saying Isiah
then Isiah saying Mark Price
then Price said Hardaway.
As I remember no question was asked, but by the way it was presented I got the
impression that they were responding to the question of who was the best point
guard.  

Then the clip continued and made some comparisons and then at the end they
asked each of the five who was best.  Only Hardaway gave a straight answer.  My
conclusion was that they weren't asked the question at the start of the clip or
they would have given the same answer both times.  (I assume that they were
asked something to the effect of "Who do you have the toughest time matching up
against?" because I know that Stockton has an awful time with KJ.)

Finally when they went back to the studio, and the question was presented to
Magic, he said that he'd take himself.

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From: sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Lakers Back On Top
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:00:25 GMT

In article <613@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <4051@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500s931@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Huggy Bear) writes:
>>	The Lakers may possibly miss the playoffs this year.  Wouldn't
>>it be just like the lakers to miss the playoffs, make one or two key
>>trades in the off season, then when the lottery and take Shaquille
>>O'neal and end up back among the NBA's elite.
>
>Have you seen the cows fly lately? ONLY 3 teams are in the lottery
>setup now and the other nonplayoff teams pick in the order they finished.
>That will make only Dallas,Minnesota,and Orlando to be potential
>Shaq employers for next few seasons since he'll be taken first or second for sure.
...
>If the Lakers won't make the playoffs(they are in the 8th place in the West
>as of now) they will have only 10th or 11th pick. They have to rebuild with
>their own picks like the Celtics have started a few years back with Lewis,
>Fox,and Brown and yes,Stoyco.
		       ^^^^^^

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, hohohohohohohohohoho, hehehe, <snort> <chuckle>.

Boy, you sure had me going, Mark.  For a while there, I actually thought 
you were serious.  Impeccable comic timing--you lead the reader along 
with some half-baked but sober-sounding analysis, and then zing 'em with
your last line!  Just great!

Sean
From: courier@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls Will Lose Some More.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:08:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <13335@xenna.Xylogics.COM> russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux) writes:
>The Bulls starting five minutes have not gone down considerably!
>
>Russ

	Yeah, not until the Atlanta game on Monday. I think Jordan sat out the
whole second and fourth quarter if I am not mistaken. The Bulls just had things to prove to Indiana and the like before they rested their starters for
the playoffs. Look to see fewer minutes now with an easy schedlue ahead...

					Bill Pittenger

					Basketball Player and fan
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:10:19 GMT
	<1992Apr14.162540.1@vaxr.llnl.gov>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.162540.1@vaxr.llnl.gov> edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov wrote:
>   I thought Tyrone Hill was effective against Malone last night. Of course,
> he fouled out after 12 minutes.  

Now *that's* what I call an optimist.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Grow up, smartypants (Was re: YEAH! Smartypants!)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:35:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Apr17.203532.16787
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <kuu7t2INN12a@nunki.usc.edu> winstonc@nunki.usc.edu (|) writes:
>This forum for IQ wars isn't very productive. It's not rec.sports.my.iq.
>is.higher.than.yours. Nor is it my.sat.score.is.higher.than.yours either.

Sure it is, especially the original thread was about Larry Bird, and his
worshipper Neil Shulman brought up his own IQ.

Several years ago, Larry Bird said something like "XXX wears his
IQ on his jersey". XXX's number was in the 30's. 

I am not sure who that player was, maybe Rick Robey.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: h0j1297@zeus.tamu.edu (BURT J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Celtics Rock On!
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:25:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Celtics have been doing really great.  With the win last night over Charlotte,
the Celtics move to one game behind the Division-leading Knicks.  Their last
three games are:  (home) Heat; (away) Sixers and Pistons.  If the series did
end up in a tie between the Knicks and the Celtics who would get 2nd??  Who
won the season series?  Anyway, I'd like to see the Celtic-Pacer match up 
again!  Only last game between the two, it was McHale and (i believe) Delle 
Davis that were exchanging words--Bird and Person were quite throughout the 
whole game.  

Celtics Rock On!
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A new Statistic
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:22:28 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041

In article <17APR199213161902@summa.tamu.edu> h0j1297@summa.tamu.edu (BURT J.) writes:
>I think it would be neat to have a new statistic, let's call it::
>
>"True Field Goal Percentage"
>
>Let's say a person shoots 3-10.  But in the process goes to the line 6 times
>and makes 4 shots.  Then his true FG% is 50%.  (2 free throws = 1 fgm).  Now,
>one must be careful and not take into account free throws that are non-shooting
>fouls caused by teams being in the penalty.  This may be confusing, but it
>would really show the "true field goal percentage."  I wonder who would be
>the leader in this category????

     An easier and better statistic, as I've mentioned before:

PT% = points scored/(2*FGA + FTA)  

     There's no reason not to count free throws gained from penalty fouls:
the goal in basketball is to put up shots that score, and someone who draws
fouls is doing exactly that.  Doesn't matter if he was fouled while shooting
or fouled while dribbling or fouled while rebounding -- the guy got to the
line and (77% of the time) made some free throws, thus helping his team score.
     For purists, a correction for technicals and FTs off of 3-point plays
needs to be made; the exact statistics aren't available for every player,
but the average correction is something on the order of counting only
7/8 of FTA.
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From: russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics without Bird
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:59:29 GMT
Organization: Xylogics, Inc., Burlington MA
In-reply-to: nates@ll.mit.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 20:23:12 GMT



In article <1992Apr8.202312.29432@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
writes:
>
>in fact i mentioned that the c's might have LOST that game against
>chicago if Bird plays.  if robert wasnt still doing so well and
>mchale hadnt seemed to have found his old self, my ancient claim
>that the Celtics New could beat the Celtic Old would stand.  The
>Old gets the old 3 plus Bags - who has been very good this year,
>but there isnt another Celtics Old to join them (maybe DJ could be
>coaxed into this imaginary waste of time).  the Celtics New would
>have Pinckney, Kleine and Gamble up front with Brown and REGGIE
>LEWIS.  they would have sherman douglas off the bench with fox.  ok,
>they'd be saddled something awful with Stojko the Vrank, but not
>long from now the New would beat the Old....
>
>- nate
>

The front line of Pinckney, Kleine and Gamble would foul out before
halftime!!!

Oh, I see, thats why the "green" team gets a bench ;^}

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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:46:54 GMT

bloom@inland.com writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.175049.20435@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>> This is in response to a previous article titled "Bulls STOMP Cavs" (I believe
>> it was called.)   The Cavs got their revenge, and the Bulls were simply beat.
>> 
>> You can say that they didn't have Jordan, and oh well, that's the cause.
>> 
>> You are correct.  What happens to the Bulls if some guy like Laimbeer knocks
>> Jordan out of the playoffs?  You could call it a cheap shot, but it would
>> be a dose of reality for the Bulls.
>> 
>> Gary Blickhan

>Hey Gary, why do you think Richard Dent sits courtside at all those 
>Bulls games?  Which referee is going to stop Dent from sacking 
>Laimbeer?  The reality is that the Bulls are going to go farther than 
>your beloved Pistons.
 Actually(I made the same mistake at first too), I think Gary is a Cleveland
fan, but because Cleveland wouldn't do that (yeah, right), he used the Pistons
as an example.
Joe

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:36:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

>This is in response to a previous article titled "Bulls STOMP Cavs" (I believe
>it was called.)   The Cavs got their revenge, and the Bulls were simply beat.

>You can say that they didn't have Jordan, and oh well, that's the cause.

>You are correct.  What happens to the Bulls if some guy like Laimbeer knocks
>Jordan out of the playoffs?  You could call it a cheap shot, but it would
>be a dose of reality for the Bulls.

>Gary Blickhan

Not only was Jordan out, but Grant had a poor game.  Also, even 
without Jordan, Pippen only played 33 minutes and Grant 28 minutes.
Cleveland shot 57% for the game, well above Bull's opponents average
(although Jordan being out certainly has some effect on Bull's defense).
Even without Jordan, the Bulls are a better team than they showed
on Tuesday night.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu 
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Warriors
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.162540.1@vaxr.llnl.gov> edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov wrote:
>   I thought Tyrone Hill was effective against Malone last night. Of course,
> he fouled out after 12 minutes.  

kind of like bashing the other guy over the knee with your nuts, huh.

- nate
From: edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:47:26 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS


 [my stuff deleted for brevity]

xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:

> They were real effective in sending Malone to the foulline. 20 of 42 points
> were from the line. Yow! Maybe Askew can bother Stockton, but Marchiulionis
> would look like a matador. Stockton would be constantly driving past him to
> break down the defense, notwithstanding Sarunas' magical ball stripping
> ability. Hardaway against J. Malone is no contest either. You only need to
> rub Malone off a few picks and the height advantage kicks in.
> 
	Well, I think that Nelson is going to try to do something to make
the entry pass to K. Malone more difficult.  In the past he has had Hardaway
sag way off of Stockton, backing towards Malone, with Malone's defender
playing behind him.  The success of this is inversely proportional to the
success of Stockton's jumper.  Another way he might go about this is to
get somebody taller in Stockton's face, and see how J. Malone's shooting
'em that night.  Or he might have Gatling front Malone, since he would
be difficult to throw over.  Whatever he does, I suspect that he's going
to change it a lot, maybe even every time down the floor.  But, then,
Stockton's pretty good at figuring these things out in realtime....

> J. Oliver claims that maybe Nelson has something ready for the predictable
> Jazz offense. Granted, the first option is always Stockton to K. Malone,
> but the secondary options of Blue Edwards and J. Malone are a new wrinkle
> that I don't think Nelson has figured out how to handle. Plus Ty Corbin
> cleaning up the trash. Basically, extreme overplaying and help defense
> isn't going to work this time. The Jazz have 3.5 scorers on the floor
> instead of 2 as in the old days. 
> 
	Look, I agree.  I don't know why Utah loses as many games as they
do, and I think they have a real chance to get to the finals.  Adding
Corbin lets them play a small lineup to matchup with teams like the 
Warriors and not get outscored.  I think you'll see Nelson trying a lot
of different things, maybe hoping to find someone having a bad night
night for Utah.  I don't think he has some Secret Plan that he waiting
to unveil.  He's a good game-time coach, and I think he'll have some new
wrinkles, but I think the series would be Utah's to lose more than the
Warriors to win.

-- Dave Edmunds
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:46:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

McNaught@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jim McNaught) writes:

>In article <592@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 
>432-4219) writes:
>> >As Phil Jackson said after the game, "We didn't play well
>> > they didn't play well

>> > and the officiating was horrible...
>> That's alot of Bull. It must have been the refs that lost him all
>> 14 games this season.
>> >Must be daylight savings time.
>> No.Really??? Well,it's a good thing you did arrive into Boston on 
>Saturday.

>In the military, officer candidates are taught from day one that if they 
>do something wrong or poorly, that there is absolutely no excuse good 
>enough to explain away the terrible results (No Excuse Sir!).  Making 
>excuses is not what they do for a living--taking the blame and improving 
>performance is.

>Perhaps Phil and the Bulls should enroll for a Beast or Plebe Summer at 
>one of the academies.  There was NO Excuse for that loss to the Celtics.  
>Not to take anything away from the performances turned in by McHale, 
>Lewis, et. al., but let's put it in perspective.

>Hope Chicago finds its motivation in the playoffs.

>JMc

I think you're taking Phil Jackson's comments a bit too seriously.
We're talking about one game in an 82 game season, after the Bull's
have already wrapped up home court advantage for the entire play-offs.
Phil was just being a bit light-hearted after a disappointing game.
No need to read too much into it.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Physical Graffiti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:18:51 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Apr7.142724.14036@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
> 
> >I have to agree with Magic's comments at the end of the game where
> >he said that the Bulls are an unmotivated bunch right now because there is
> >nothing at stake for them until the playoffs get underway in 2 1/2 weeks.
> 
> As Phil Jackson said after the game, "We didn't play well, they didn't
> play well, and the officiating was horrible...Must be daylight savings
> time."

"We didnt play well, they didnt play great....." is what he said.
                                     ^^^^^


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From: prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa)
Subject: Re: Pistons' chances in the playoffs
Keywords: slim, none, uh-oh
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:52:08 GMT

In article <14546@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Tony Wesley) writes:
>
>
>   Daly doesn't play his bench.  Perhaps it's because he doesn't have
>one.  I'd rather take one more year of Vinnie going hot and cold,

How do you know; unless you give them some minutes. I think starters played
too many minutes all season long. Same was the case last year too. None of
the starters have anything left in them when they played the conference 
finals. Only microwave played well in that series.

History repeats. Pistons are not going far (I hate to admit this but I wish
I had a choice). Daly's reluctance to use the bench boggled my mind all last
season and this season. And we see the results. 

You got to *EXPERIMENT* and develop a good bench during the regular season so 
that they come handy in the playoffs.


-Prasad "No bench, No rings" Challa

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