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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot's spine
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:59:45 GMT
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> [deleted]  But if
>a man cannot stand up to the scrutiny of a free press, his ideas aren't
>worth the paper they are printed on.  [deleted]

Of course, there is the majority of America that is kind of sick of the
media these days, and believe that anyone stupid enough to voluntarily
submit to "the scrutiny of the press" is probably not qualified to hold
the position they are running for.  The rest of your praise for Clinton,
who is just as worthless as Bush, isn't even worth commenting on.

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55 - it's not a good idea, it's just the law.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: keves@meaddata.com (Brian Keves)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:11:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.141734.24557@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>John Switzer writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.113002.27005@crd.ge.com> /dev/null writes:
>>Call anyway - Perot has to pay for the calls, so it's just as valid to call 
>>the number and say you think Perot is scum.

What! How would you like it if you had to pay for people calling you and
saying you were scum? You expect a person to PAY for that?

That is ridiculous.

>
>  The problem is that a computer answers the number and says something to the
>effect of "Thank you for showing your support of Ross Perot.  Your vote has
>been counted....*CLICK".  You don't have a chance to say anything !

Try answering millions of calls and hour and you will get an idea of why
this is the case.

>
>  Just another example of how Perot doesn't want to hear anything bad about 
>himself.

If Perot runs then he will know what people think of him come Nov 4.
This phone ballot is simply to see if there is enough interest to justify
running. Sure he probably should have stayed in the race, but he sure is
stirring up the pot!

Brian
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff)
Subject: RUN Ross RUN
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:30:56 GMT

Well, He's baaacckk!  Ross is in the race. He just made the announcement
at the news conference.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple)
Subject: Ross for Boss
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:20:32 GMT

The subject said it all.
Let's turn Washington, D.C. upside down!
H. Ross Perot for President!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: dent@dtc.hp.com (Steve Dent)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:05:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <2ACB266A.19642@news.service.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>>  If some of Perot's volunteers are working 20+ hours a week, I'd HOPE that
>>Perot would at least have the common courtesy to pay them.
>>
>
>But, how can you call them volunteers if you are paying them.  (Unless
>they all graduated from the University of Tennessee.)
>
>
>John D.
>

Easy, my wife worked for a none profit organization as a volunteer.  When
this organization was putting on a national meeting, they need some
volunteers to work full time.  To compensate for working full time, they
were paid.  My wife still referred to herself as a volunteer, the
organization still referred to her as a volunteer.  The concept of
volunteer was referring to the fact that my wife was the person who came
forward to offer her services.  She volunteer her time and skills to
work for the organization.  During the brief time that she was paid,
she still felt she was there as a volunteer.

Volunteer is defined in the dictionary as:  "one who enters into or
offers himself/herself for a service of his own free will."  There is no
mention of whether the status of pay is relevant to be a volunteer.  

You can volunteer to work for the Peace Corps, and you receive pay.  Does
this make these people paid mercenaries?  I don't think so.

-Steve Dent
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: Perot's V. P. Candidate
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:19:10 GMT

In article <16873A28C.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.171027.26754@pellns.alleg.edu>
>dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn) writes:
>>So, if H. R. P. gets back in the race, who will be his running mate? I
>
>Don't know many of the details but a newscast just announced that Ross'
>running mate would be someone named Benjamin Dover.  No more details
>except that Ross said "I am happy to announce my running mate,
>Ben Dover, and we will give the volunteers exactly what they want."

Responding to _you_people_ is actually starting to get fun.  I'd
like to say nice try, but that's just too stupid.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.163336.11804@seas.gwu.edu> korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.193330.3479@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>>
>>   Thank you for exactly making my point... Perot doesn't want to hear anything
>>bad about himself.  I wonder what will happen if he by some terrible twist of
>>fate gets elected and then gets nothing accomplished.  I can see two 
>>possibilities... 1) He'll resign or
>>		 2) He'll impose censorship on the media to prevent bad
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 			things from being said about him.
>
>Just being the devil's advocate. How can a president who cannot get anything
>accomplished (i.e., such mundane things as preparing budgets, etc.) be 
>capable of changing the first amendment???
>
>Just curious,
>
>John
>

  I was just being a bit faceitious.... maybe I should have put the words 
"try to" before "impose".

Greg

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton)
Subject: Bush begging for money from Perot Supporters
Reply-To: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton)
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:40:27 GMT

Hello Perot Supporters,

	I just recently got a piece of junk mail from Victory '92 asking me to give money to the Republican party.  The mail was addressed to Daniel Shelton "A Perot Supporter".  I just wanted to know if anybody e 
 
lse got this piece of mail and what they did.  I wrote a nice, NOT, letter stating what I thought of president bush.

Dans addressed to Daniel Shelton "A Perot Supporter".  I just wanted to know if anybody e
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot drives Limbaugh NUTS!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:09:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <BvCnxy.Jq1@news.larc.nasa.gov> rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov  
(Michael W. Rowland) writes:
> I am sitting here listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio.
> He is going crazy over what happened last night on the Larry
> King Live show.  Looks like the arch-Republicans are getting
> a little scared :^)
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Rowland, Aerosol Research Branch, MS 475
> NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
> internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov

     So what's he saying? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

Arthur Johnson
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa
Subject: Perot Followers and rotten eggs
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:20:35 GMT

The loyal followers of Ross reminds of a group of people who attend a pot luck
picnic with deviled eggs. Later they are told by others attending the picnic
the eggs are spoiled and therefore will cause severe stomach gas pains. But it
seems the loyals are so loyal they continue to eat the eggs and attempts to
convince everyone by scarfing the eggs as if to say "See they aren't bad! I'm
still eating them!" 

What they should be doing is trashing the eggs and looking for alternative
dishes to scarf.
 


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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Campaign '92 Documents Available--FREE
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:24:35 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dougn@convex.com (Douglas Nieb)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:20:27 GMT
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In <1992Sep30.141734.24557@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:


>  The problem is that a computer answers the number and says something to the
>effect of "Thank you for showing your support of Ross Perot.  Your vote has
>been counted....*CLICK".  You don't have a chance to say anything !

>  Just another example of how Perot doesn't want to hear anything bad about 
>himself.

>Greg

As was clearly stated several times during the Larry King show, only people
who wanted to SUPPORT him were told to call.  Those who didn't want to 
support him should have listened and not called the number.

Doug
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Perot drives Limbaugh NUTS!!!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:57:52 GMT

rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) writes:
| I am sitting here listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio.
| He is going crazy over what happened last night on the Larry
| King Live show.  Looks like the arch-Republicans are getting
| a little scared :^)

  I know it.  The Democrats are acting the same way.  It's really
  strange.  They keep saying Perot doesn't have a chance, but they're
  acting scared.  Maybe they're not sure the system can beat down the
  will of the people one more time.  Maybe they're scared people
  will figure out what the Democrats/Republicans are doing to this 
  country.  The Republicans/Democrats are more scared of Perot and
  his citizens movement than they are of each other.  It's strange.
  ==

  Bob
From: clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Finally, a non-politician!
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:14:53 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I thank God that Ross decided to run.  This country has for too long been
without it's freedom.  The government has been under one special interest group
or another for a long time.  Either Bush or Clinton is going to do whatever
will get the support of the special interest groups behind them, but Perot has
a heart for the people.  His plans may have faults, but that is what congress
is there for, to only pass the good ones.  I agree totally with Bush's ideas;
however, he is just as much of a poitician.  I urge all to set aside their
views to elect one to serve us not his party.

Ken Clifton
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Who the heck is Jim Stockton?
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.023202.2645@news.nd.edu>,  That pesky James guy writes:
|> Hi-Ho,
|> 
|> I've heard a little about Vice Admiral Jim Stockton, USN (retired), former  
|> POW, etc.  What's he been doing since he retired from the military?  Just  
|> writing books, or was he consulting, or what?  I can't seem to find out.
|> 
|> Tanks,
|> 
|> semaj
|> 

Currently he is a fellow at a conservitive think tank.

Doug
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: Ross for What??
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.124020.35351@watson.ibm.com> pcb2@watson.ibm.com (Wayout-Layout) writes:
>In article <ztjzdlk@rpi.edu>, D. writes:
>> 
>> Look at all the pressure people are putting on him to run.  Having a reluctant
>> president may not be such a good idea.  
>>
> 
>  George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were also 2 men that were reluctant to
>  become president. They would have preferred their Virginia farms to the White
>  House. Maby their is something to be said for someone whos a little recluctant.
>
>-- 
>
>
>    Mike Jackyra       
>    

Yes, you are correct sir! <grin>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: HEIGHT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:14:22 GMT

Emmet Kilgariff writes:

>Nazare writes

>Hey Mike, I'm REALLY impressed with your maturity...
>How tall are you? Got a Napoleon complex???

>Is anybody offended by this obviously bigoted remark to height-challenged
people?

Dear Emmet

I'm just 5'1" and I'M NOT OFFENDED!
Mike was sounding very immature, calling people ASSHOLES and telling
them to grow up. I was telling myself: "He is too immature to be 
talking about "maturity", maybe he is talking about height. Or because
he is really tall or because he is little and has a Napoleon complex.
Sorry you didn't get it, but follow my example. Why have a complex 
yourself????

If anyone should have one I should be the first. NOT...
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:40:47 GMT

Dave Sill (de5@ORNL.GOV) writes:
| He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporter
| who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
| support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
| measure of what the majority of his supporters want.

  Knock it off.

  That post is a good example of how the campaign has been going so far.
  The Democrats and Republicans talk about everything but the real 
  problems of the country.  

  What do you care of how Perot runs his campaign?  If you want to talk
  about silly issues like this, stick to your own party.  The Democrats
  and Republicans ran $35 million pep rallies that excluded dissent.
  The Republicans brought in hundreds of young Republicans who were not
  delegates to make it look like there was more support and enthusiasm
  than there really was.  The Democrats wouldn't let the governor of
  Pennsylvania present an anti-abortion stance.  Delegates who were 
  supposed to give "spontaneous" interviews were coached and rehearsed
  their lines up to seven times.

| Bend over, folks...

  Wake up and look are around.  It is the Democrats and Republicans, not
  Perot, who have been screwing you for years.  This, and not Perot's 800
  number or his campaign, is the real problem.  

  Perot's candidacy may be the healthiest thing to happen to our political
  process in our lifetimes.  To see this go take a look in any Perot
  headquarters in the next 5 weeks.  Perot's citizens' movement is as
  close to true "democracy in action" as you can get. 

  I have probably done more work for Democratic candidates than 99.9% of
  the people reading this group.  There is no comparison between Perots 
  campaign and those of the establishment parties.  The establishment
  parties value money, not people and have developed a corrupt system of
  institutionalized bribery they call campaign contributions.  They need
  the money to manipulate the media and fool the people.  This is a sick,
  cynical version of democracy that is more into game playing than problem
  solving.

  With Perot about to enter the race, there is has been more talk about
  the deficit in the media in the last few days than in the the all the
  months before that combined.  Maybe we can stop arguing about fictional
  television characters and how another campaign should use its 800
  number and get down business.

  We need Perot to give the system and people like the poster of the
  previous article a good swift kick in the butt.
  ==

  Bob                                       Seattle, Washington

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: andy@green.la.asu.edu (Andy Vaught)
Subject: Re: Paid Volunteers? (oxymoron?)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:00:23 GMT

yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:

>I listened to "Crossfire" and Robert Novak refers to the Perot
>volunteers as "Paid Volunteers".

>Is it true that the "volunteers" are paid?

I can't speak for the other states, but there are no paid "volunteers" in
the State of Arizona.  Dallas did retain a local law firm to make sure
that our petitions complied with state law, and during the petition drive,
there were half a dozen people on salary who came to help for about two
weeks.  About half of these were previously employed by Mr. Perot, and the 
other half were simply very good at doing petition drives, having done them
in other states.

Contrast our staff with the Reps/Dems, who (in AZ) have at least several
dozen permanent, year-round staff and surely more than that in election
season.  As far as I know, no one has quit his or her job to help out.
Several of the senior staff own their own businesses, some are retirees,
and others, like myself, simply happen to have flexible jobs. 


>-- 
>Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
>From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state

	Andy

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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:49:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep29.100638.7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)       writes...
>  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
> 
>  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>  ==
> 
>  Bob
> 

I think it is important to note that the first line says "to vote for Perot
resuming the campaign" rather than saying "to vote whether or not you want to
see Perot run for election."  I note a definite difference between the two
ideas.  The disclaimer said nothing of a show of OPPOSITION; only SUPPORT.

Individual OPPOSITION will be shown on NOVEMBER 3RD in the election booths.  As
for those voting only to mislead the amount of Perot's support, why should they
bother?  They have nothing to gain by doing this.

Thank you, Bob, for posting this info; I've made my call.

--Rob Sumner-- 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jmarlan@titan.nmt.edu (Jon Marlan)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:03:04 GMT

In article <phurley.37@tamu.edu> phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
>
>It was my understanding that the 800 number does not accept input from the 
>caller. Isn't it just an automatic registration of affirmation?

I believe this is correct.  On Rush's tv show (I think it was Tuesday night),
he showed some clips of Perot on Larry King and mentioned that calling the
number would register as an affirmation.

Jon

"Lighten up, America." -- Rush 


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