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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Inter-Network Mail Guide
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:18:28 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <Bx9opq.36C@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU> marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews) writes:
>Not all that strange. DSTO is Defence Science and Technology Organization.
>I would expect them to prevent any unknow traffic from crossing their
>routers.

I'd have thought that allowing email traffic through the routers
wasn't exactly permitting "known" traffic. The choice of allowing SMTP
and not ICMP packets is what seems strange.

I'd have thought they'd be better served by having an MX record for
each of their hosts (NOT a wild card MX) which pointed to a small set
of firewall machines.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Telecommuters, Remote Workers
From: 9138827a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:34:32 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

This item has been cross-posted to comp.mail.elm and comp.mail.uucp
=================================================================

I am undertaking postgraduate study at the School of Library and
Information Management, University of South Australia, Adelaide, on
the particular information needs of telecommuters - those who perform
job-related work at a site away from an organisation and communicate
electronically rather than commuting physically.
 
I would be very interested in, and would greatly appreciate a response
from those who are telecommuters, to the following questions. If you
are not a telecommuter but know of others who are it would be
appreciated if you could pass this on to them:
 
 
Q1      Does the organisation to which you telecommute provide any
        library and information services which are accessible to you
        online? (eg catalogs, reference assistance, databases, literature
        searches, document delivery services, organisation information
        such as daily bulletins and administrative gazettes.)
 
        If yes:
 
        (a) What services are provided?
        (b) How useful are these services to you?
 
Q2      (a)     What is the nature of the organisation to which you
                telecommute?
 
        (b)     If you sometimes commute physically to your organisation,
                how frequently do you do this?
 
Q3      What are the particular information needs that you have as a
        telecommuter?
 
Q4      What basic information services do you consider should be
        provided by an organisation for its telecommuters? (see Q5 for
        additional and desirable services)
 
Q5      What additional information services would you perceive as being
        highly desirable for an organisation to provide for its
        telecommuters?
 
Q6      Are there any further comments you wish to make regarding the
        information needs of telecommuters?
 
Q7      Would you like a summary of the results of this survey E-mailed
        to you?
 
Respondents can be assured that individuals and organisations will not
be identified in any report or summary of this survey.
 
Please E-mail your response to my Internet address:
 
9138827a@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
 
Thank you for your cooperation
 
Bronwen Strong
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Inter-Network Mail Guide
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:20:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Victoria University, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND


In article <1992Nov5.024040.13063@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:
|> C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> >Well it doesn't SEEM to be a FAQ, so here goes. I wish to get mail to an
|> >Australian machine
|> >which I can verify is on the Internet by using <nslookup>. However, all my mail
|> >vanishes into oblivion without any feedback to myself. Nor am I able to <ping>
|> >the machine. Therefore, I have reasoned that I need to supply a routing node
|> >specification, yes? Question: do any tools exist for determining that node? 
|> 
|> 
|> You can use nslookup to find the MX relay host for your target.  Many
|> hosts down here are in the DNS but don't actually connect to the net
|> (ie. similar to usage of UUCP in the State etc.).
|> 
|> If you can't get it through the MX gateway, you can always drop the
|> postmaster on that host a line to find out why.

I mailed Conn about this and it transpires that he and I can telnet to port 25 on
the machine but not ping it. There is no MX for the host concerned but there
is an MX for dsto.gov.au which points to fang.dsto.gov.au first and then to
yoyo.aarnet.edu.au

e.g.

$ telnet csd0.dsto.gov.au 25
Trying 131.185.10.4...
Connected to csd0.dsto.gov.au.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU TGV/MultiNet SMTP service ready.
helo bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz
250 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU ; Hello bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz, pleased to meet you.
vrfy postmaster 
250 CSD Postmaster <postmaster>
quit
221 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU TGV/MultiNet SMTP service complete.
Connection closed by foreign host.

But if you 'ping' it you get:

$ ping csd0.dsto.gov.au.
ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway dsto.gw.au (139.130.176.2)
 for icmp from bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.8.13) to csd0.dsto.gov.au (131.185.10.4)

I suspect it's some sort of security measure in the router but it's a little
strange.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: a!b@c
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.171241.20094@news.acns.nwu.edu> skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta) writes:
>I used to think that a!b@c meant "give the message to a with address
>b@c" (Perhaps that's what smail 2.5 did?).  Lately I've been seeing
>lots of address binding @ the other way:  "deliver to c with address a!b".
>
>In other words, which is it:
>
>	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b
>	a!b@c   ->	@a:b@c

Here's the problem:  sites running stock uucp mail (i.e. what AT&T sold
at least up to SysVr3) never look past the first !.  They will thus
send such an addres to site "a" which will interpret the remaining part
"b@c".  There is no provision for changing this behaviour without
replacing the mail transport program on these machines. (Smail is one
such replacement).
In spite of this, the internet standard is to deliver to the site to
the left of the @ sign letting that machine interpret the remaining
part, so a machine running SMTP would deliver to site "c", giving it
the remaining address "a!b".   So you can't use this kind of address
unless you know which machine has which kind of mailer.  What's worse
is that the internet standards demand addresses to be in the
user@domain form and uucp mailers don't provide them.  Thus the
uucp->internet forwarder must provide a return address like:
 uucp!path!user@forwarder.domain
which is fine within the SMTP realm, but when the message is passed
back to a uucp site the headers are generally not modified again
and will probably be misinterpreted. 

>And what of:
>
>	b%a@c

This notation was introduced to avoid the problem of mixing ! and @. 
On the uucp side it's best to use RFC 976 notation - i.e 
hop1!hop2!hop3!domain!user, since it doesn't require knowledge of the
type of mailer used by the intermediate sites and it is understood
by virtually all uucp->smtp gateways.  Unfortunately nothing works
reliably the other direction.  Most internet mailers are of the
opinion that if you don't have a domain name you don't exist, regardless
of the evidence to the contrary.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: sastr_a@huh.cs.odu.edu (RAVI AYYALASOMAYAJULA)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: How do I include .signature automatically?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:43:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov6.154353.16241
Distribution: usa
Organization: NULL


	Subject line says it all. I repeat, How do I include
	my .signature file everytime I send a *mail*.

	I use sometimes xmail and sometimes ordinary "mail"
	command from the %prompt.

	Thank you.

	Sastry.

	p.s  email replies appreciated

	

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops)
Subject: Connecting LAN mail with Internet mail?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:37:14 GMT


At my place of work, we are presently trying to decide which Email
package to use in an enterprise-wide capacity.  We are presently
installing a communications backbone which will support a large (100s of
nodes) Novell-based LAN.  In the future, we hope to add an Internet
gateway to the local university, so that all of our users may have mail
access to the Internet (this will no doubt involve adding an Internet
host of some kind -- we need something with an IP address, and to route
mail, and to resolve addresses?).

The scenario is this:

       Internet
          .
          .
          |
      ----+----
      |  ???  |
      ----+----
          |
         /|\
       /| | |\
     .  . . .  \
   .    . . .    \
   (users on LAN)


The email packages we are looking at are CC:mail, MS mail, and Beyond
Mail.

I know that I have given a rather vague picture of our eventual
configuration.  The important piece is that we need to have mail for
user A, coming in off the Internet in an Internet format, translated to
whatever message standard our LAN mail package uses, and filed with the
user's mail agent (probably an NLM running on a Novell file server?).  I
think that the three mail packages mentioned above purport to do that,
but we are unable to verify this at the present time.

My question then, is:

   * Have you had experience using a LAN-based mail package coupled with
     an Internet connectivity requirement?  (ie. Are you presently
     operating a setup similar to the one shown above, and with which
     products, and with how much success?)

Any and all answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

...Steve van der Burg
koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: How to interpret when the end of piece of mail is reached?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.124824.10744@mks.com>, davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) writes:
> 
> Of course you meant "transfer agents" in that sentence, since a
> user agent can only work with what the TA gives it.
> 

To be absolutely correct I should have said `delivery/user agents'.

> The best format for a mailbox is a directory of files, each of
> which contains a single message (wow!  something that VM/CMS
> got right!).

Provided you have `append directories' that allocate unique names to
each message on creation.  Very do-able on Plan 9 where you could:

   open /mail/<user>/new

And this gives you a descriptor to a unique file for your message.
The file created would have to be of the Plan 9 (auto) locking type.


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad.''  -- Rob Pike
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: What features would _you_ like in a mailer?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:25:52 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> wrote in <4071@sapwdf.UUCP>:

|     o reply requested, where you can't delete the message until you've
|       replied to it; 

Let's modify that: a letter with the reply-requested attribute should be
undeletable until you've either answered it or actively refused to answer it.

Maybe I should expand: responding to the letter would clear the attribute,
but you shouldn't HAVE to do that to delete the letter; you should be
prevented from unintentionally deleting it by having some positive action
required.  If you try to delete it without answering it, the mailer could
say "The sender requested a reply to this letter and you haven't sent one.
Delete anyway? n" with "no" as the default reply.  It shouldn't sit in your
mailbox forever if you don't want to answer it.

Otherwise the net will be flooded with "You demand a reply?  Here's your
blankety-blank reply: you send me one more blankety reply-requested message
and I'll make your postmaster sorrier than hell that you were ever allowed
access to mail, you blankety-blank!"

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,rec.arts.books,misc.books.technical
From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch)
Subject: Re: email address for Wheeldon and Wesley in U.K. - BT-Gold?
Organization: TQM Communications, London, UK
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:22:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.061523.19232@hippo.ru.ac.za> ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod) writes:
>Wheeldon and Wesley booksellers in the U.K. give the following email
>address on their latest catalogue:
>
>	87:SQQ 1328
>
>Any advice on how to send to this address from the Internet (and
>vice versa) would be most useful.  What network is this on?  BT-Gold?

Thought I answered this one earlier :-)

It is a Telecom Gold mailbox, which you can now reach from the Internet.
You should send the message to

        10087.sqq1328@gateway-to-gold.interspan.gb

The first 5 digits are the full domain and system number, which is then
followed by a period and the user id. A virtual mailbox at Telecom Gold
gets created when you send your message, which allows the user to reply.

-- 
Stephen Hebditch  TQM Communications  steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk +44 836 825962
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: What features would _you_ like in a mailer?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:17:36 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bill Wohler (wohler@sapwdf.UUCP) wrote:

:     o action, where the message, in addition to being read as a normal
:       message, can also be a form with editable and non-editable fields

I seem to recall ELM having a feature like this.

If it weren't for the complete lack of forms-editing tools that come handy
with most Unix systems, this would be quite easy to whup up using MIME.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Popmail
From: Christopher Sacksteder <CJS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:15:22 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov10.220249.7839@engr.latech.edu>, sam@engr.latech.edu (Sameer
Singh) says:

>I am looking for a DOS based mail program called "Popmail".

The University of Minnesota has such a program; FTP it from
boombox.micro.umn.edu.  That requires a Clarkson (Crynwr) packet
driver.

But you probably should try NUPop from Nortwestern.  They took the UMN
code and added many things (e.g., several TCP/IP stacks are supported)
FTP it from ftp.acns.nwu.edu.  NUPop has a large following, and there
is a very active mailing list.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3642 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:6420
From: ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Matthias Kloas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Problems with Smail & pipe
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:44:36 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de
Keywords: smail, netinfo

In article <1992Nov10.062258.29204@Veritas.COM> tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S.  
Karr) writes:
[ problemdescription deleted ]

>Most likely, your aliases file is world writable.  Smail doesn't allow
>files or commands to be listed in world writable aliases files.  You can
>either change your aliases file, or you can change smail to allow world
>writable files.  To change smail to allow world-writable files, copy the
>source file samples/generic/directors to /usr/lib/smail/directors and
>edit it as you see fit for other localized changes.  In the aliases
>director, set "modemask=0" rather than the current "modemask=002".

Things get a little bit complicated here. 
I don't use any aliases-file at all! The alias-infomation is stored in an  
Netinfo-database. Netinfo is by default not writable for normal users.
Perhaps this is a bug with smails netinfo support?

I tried to change modemask to 0, to see if this works with netinfo. It didn't  
change anything :-(.

Next I will switch from Netinfo to an alias-file, but i do not like this  
solution very much.

Anyway, thank you for your help,


       Matthias (ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de)
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: a!b@c
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:17:04 GMT
Organization: WNC
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov11.172750.20535@news.acns.nwu.edu> skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta) writes:
>	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b
>	a!b@c   ->	@a:b@c

Not allways never rely on one net to handle an other addressing 100% right.
Basic rule is if it gets parsed in the same direction it will be read right,
if not it is totally up to your transport agent.

>
>And what of:
>
>	b%a@c

From then inet this is prefered since the direction of parsing doesn't change.
-- 
Aryeh M. Friedman, President, WorldNet Communications (aka bum from netland)
1720 E. Monte Vista, Phoenix, AZ, 85006, USA  "I need the numbers now!!!!"-anon
(602) 258-5781 		Disclaimer: I don't usually speak for my company.
E-mail: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu, aryeh@wnc.com and flames to liar@bush.whouse.gov
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3657 comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt:598
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: Anyone ported pine 3.05 package to the RT running BSD?
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:30:17 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

Inquiring minds want to know.  It would save me much time on a slow machine.
I am mostly interested in pine and pico -- don't need imapd.

						...Mike

--
 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@FMSRL7.SRL.FORD.COM
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Subject: Re: All-in-1 mail, POPMail
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.154720.28785@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> Chris McNeil <cmcneil@mta.ca> writes:
>We are currently using popmail ( POPMail, Eudora, NUPOP as clients) on
>our campus as our mail solution for PC's and like it very much. We are a
>a DEC site and Dec is trying to get us to switch to all-in-1 mail. Can
>anyone that has used the above comment on it.

In one word: don't. All-in-1 is fine *IF*:

  a) you have significant machine and personnel resources
     available to manage it and it's databases
  b) you are willing to accept the limitations and syntactical
     complexity involved in getting the Mail-11 transport to cope
     with non-DEC network software and protocols
  c) can afford the licensing cost for significant numbers of
     microcomputer clients.

> I like POP mail due to the fact that it is TCP based, enclosures are
>fairly standard (ie lots of sites in the world can handle binhexed
>enclosures), is free and is simple (ie no SMTP gateway as are required in
>non TCP based mail systems).

If you like what you have (and it sounds like you do), then don't
mess with it. Interoperability and ease of use is much more
important, and you've already got that. All-in-1 isn't worth the
amount of retraining it would take to implement. If your users
are happy, then you're doing the right thing. 

>Chris McNeil
>Network Manager
>Mount Allison University
>Sackville NB Canada
>cmcneil@mta.ca


-- 
David Boyes
dboyes@rice.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: sam@engr.latech.edu (Sameer Singh)
Subject: Looking for Popmail
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:02:49 GMT

I am looking for a DOS based mail program called "Popmail".
I believe that it is public domain and would greatly appreciate it if
someone could lead me to it

Thanks.


sameer singh
From: tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S. Karr)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: a!b@c
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:40:53 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software Corp.

In article <1992Nov11.171241.20094@news.acns.nwu.edu> skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta) writes:
>In other words, which is it:
>
>	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b
>	a!b@c   ->	@a:b@c

According to RFC822 and RFC976, the only correct interpretation is @c:a!b.

>And what of:
>
>	b%a@c
>
>Is there a standard which addresses this?  Are most sites giving
>@ higher precedence, or !?

b%a@c is @c:b%a.  According to RFC1123, a!b%c@d is @d,@c:a!b.  However,
this renders the % character useless in the UUCP zone.
-- 
	tron |-<=>-|		ARPAnet:  veritas!tron@apple.com
      tron@veritas.com		UUCPnet:  {apple,pyramid}!veritas!tron
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
Date: 10 Nov 1992 05:02:14 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bohdan Tashchuk (zeke@fasttech.com) wrote:
: 
: Poor Mr. Rubble. He's not directly on the Internet. He hasn't been able to
: persuade a forwarder to register an MX record for him. Fortunately, a site
: that IS on the Internet will accept mail for him. And yet, you don't want to
: send him a response. Why do you disenfranchise Mr. Rubble this way?

Because there are any number of people who will give Mr Rubble a domain
address, running the gamut from big commercial sites who will charge quite
a bit to small commercial sites which will charge somewhat less to "domain
parks" which will charge nothing at all, and if there's any hope to keeping
the Internet as a whole sane use of adhoc bang paths to shovel mail around
has to be discouraged in favor of better alternatives.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Standard for diacritical letters?
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:37:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: daisy.1dt543INNor2
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1992Nov10.111829.26231@ruc.dk>,
robin@ruc.dk (Robin Cheesman) writes:
> I am looking for a standard for representing diacritical
> letters.

I suggest the use of MIME (see RFC 1341), with something like
the following options:

    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.sgi