From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:46:06 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Sep29122228@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.232656.23607@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>Let's do some word substitution.  Chinese culture <-> Nazism
>>800 million <-> 40 million.  So, in 1939, we have Mr. Tan saying,
>>   Screaming about obliterating Nazism (a culture that has
>>   close to 40 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at best.
>>Yes.  That would be the sort of stuff that a Chinese-cu would say.
>>I suspect that the victims of Nazism think differently as do victims
>>of Chinese-cu culture.
>Well, I am also Chinese-ge (by your terminology.)  My point about not being
>able to obliterate so many adherents is a mere fact.  I'm not particularly
>enamoured of the way the Tian An Men protest was put down or that it was put
>down at all but you seem to want to instigate your own form of "ethnic
>cleansing" which anyone who doesn't agree with you is subject to.

Yes, a Chinese-cu would say that.

No, I oppose "ethnic cleansing", but I favor the eradication of the
Chinese-cu language through means that do not violate the Bill of Rights[1].
However, Chinese-cu people are apt to favor "ethnic cleansing"; Hoyt Sze
is a "fine" example.  He opposes interracial marriages.

Chinese-cu are bigotted.

[1]  Most Asian-Americans, for example, have lost or will eventually
lose their grasp of an Asian language with each succeeding generation.
This "loss" has been accomplished without violating the Bill of Rights.
I favor this in the specific case of the Chinese-cu language.

>Who is the Nazi, now?

Many Chinese-cu.  Of course, Chin-ning Chu is not a Nazi even though
she is Chinese-ge, and I respect her.

>>By the way, being right is not a popularity contest.  (not that a
>>Chinese-cu or a Nazi could understand....)
>Different people have different concepts of what is right.  You have the
>FREEDOM to be right in your own mind just as I have a similar FREEDOM to be
>right in mine.  You seem to want to shove your concept of "rightness" down
>other peoples throats, thus depriving others of this "right."

Yes, a Chinese-cu would say that.

I fail to see how I have shoved my concept of "rightness" down any
people's throats by posting on USENET.  I have consistently said that
I believe in the Bill of Rights and, specifically, in freedom of speech.

I suspect Mr. Tan of being Chinese-cu.  I would suggest that he understand
the difference between speech/writing and physical acts of suppression.

When the Chinese-cu gov't on Taiwan imprisons a person because he dares
to express a dissenting opinion from the official gov't line, then
that is "depriving others of this 'right'".  When the Singaporean gov't
bans the Asian Wall Street or the Economist, that action is a similar
transgression.

When a Chinese-cu (actually several Chinese-cu) send me harrassing e-mail,
some threatening physical violence against me, that action _is_ an attempt.
to deprive me of my rights.  Just because I air views that are different
from yours, Mr. Tan, does not mean that I am depriving you of your rights.

Mr. Tan, have you ever taken a civics course?  Do you even know what
"deprivation of rights" means?

>[stupidity deleted]

P.S.
Fortunately, the postmasters of the sites issuing the noxious e-mail
are fairly understanding individuals and are not inclined to tolerate
e-mail games.

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