From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:05:04 GMT

 It's hard to tell whether you mean it, or whether you have a real sick
sense of humour...

>
>Means and ends. Why don't you get off your high horse and admit that they
>both want the same thing but are going about it differently.

 I thought the way you went about something made a difference.

>
>Communism and socialism both espouse the same ideology - a system that will
>solve all the world's problems. As a guy named Jesus tells us - we will
>always have poor people. And unlike poor people 50 years ago - poor people
>today have color tv's, and can spend welfare money on wasteful and anti-
  Ask a Biblical scholar.  When Jesus said the poor will always be with you,
 he was making a joke.  Things always sound better out of context.
  And I wonder where you've been living, or if you've ever actually seen a
 poor person.  The hundreds of people that come into the Scott Mission daily
 don't own a change of clothes, let alone a fucking colour TV.  If you live
 below the poverty line and have a spouse and a kid, you're lucky if you can
 affor rent, heating, and food.  Luxuries are pipe dreams to these people.  
 I'd advise a reality check.
  Of course, we all know that the poor brought it on themselves.  Never mind tha that they were born poor, never recieved an education, wouldn't even be 
 considered for higher-paying jobs, and are stuck in dead-end positions with
 no hope of ever making above minimum wage or doing anything interesting for a
 living.  And forget, of course, the omnipotent government that sets minimum
 wage at a level that couldn't support a single person, let alone their family.
  Lord knows most unemployed people are perfectly happy scraping by on measly
 UIC checks.  They're much happier watching "I Love Lucy" re-runs all day than
 thinking that they're actually doing something productive for society.  And
 the ones who can't work because they're disabled, or mentally handicapped,
 or illiterate -- all their fault too.
 

>Maybe anti-social activities like single mothers on welfare who get pregnant
>are making the problem worse. That's right - people are to blame for their
>own problems.

  Yah.  O.K.
>
>If we cut taxes by 20% accross the board, we wouldn't need all of this
>social junk. Healthy people wouldn't have to pay for all of those idiots
>in the hospital who smoke a pack a day and are now dying of lung cancer.
>That's right. People are to blame for their own problems. And its time
>we stopped bankrolling them. Idiots who have liver problems because they
>buy a case of beer a week. Let them die. I don't want to pay for these
>idiots. Fat people - make 'em diet or cut off their health care. That
>is right - make them pay. People who care for their health should stop
>bankrolling those people who don't. 
>
>And guys who get AIDS because they were too stupid not to put a condom on
>their weenie or keep it inside their pants. Let them die. I don't want
>to pay for idiots. Punish stupidity - not working people who care for
>their health, who actually earn their own money and can look after
>their families.
>
>Maybe the destruction of the universal health care system is a necessity.
>Or maybe a new rule - not that of wealth but that of health. In this
>system idiots have no right to leech off the rest of us. Fat people
>alcoholics and cigarette abusers - watch out. You are costing the system

  I suppose it was my father's fault when he got hit by a car driven by a
 woman who had just suffered a stroke at 150 km/hr down the wrong side of
 a highway.  And my friend feels very guilty about forcing the taxpayers 
 to pay for the reconstruction of his right arm after he was hit by a hit-
 and-run driver (probably drunk) while walking down the sidewalk.  Or my
 second cousin, who got infected with HIV through a blood tranfusion.
  They're all very sorry, and they agree that your taxes should be cut.

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