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From: mira@eecg.toronto.edu (Mira Vojvodic)
Subject: Global Positioning System?
Keywords: Positioning system
Date: 5 Apr 92 08:46:53 GMT

NOTE:  I'm posting this for a friend:
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This posting is given by a marine novice, and Usenet ignorant.  Please
forgive me if I'm asking previously asked questions, or, more likely,
stupidities...  However,

I've recently heard that it is possible to use US Army Global
Positioning [?] device on commercial basis.  Related to that, I have
couple of questions:
	1)	is this true?
	2)	if the answer to 1) is 'yes' then, what do I have to
		do to get such a device? [same source has informed me
		that parents have bought such an equipment for their
		kids involved in the Desert Storm--i.e. it is
		available commercially!]
	3)	what is the price?, and, finally
	4)	can it be used for navigation purposes?

Please respond by e-mail, or, if you feel that this could be an
interesting subject for this group, reply to it herein...

Thanks in advance....

Ivan
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From: djw@cci632.cci.com (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:33:56 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>In article <1992Apr2.171331.20461@phri.nyu.edu> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu 
>(Roy Smith) writes:
> I know this has come up before, but perhaps it would be a good idea
> to split rec.boats into rec.boats.sail and rec.boats.power.[...]

Put me down for a no vote on the split of rec.boats. I am a fisherman, and thus
use a boat to get me to my favorite fishin' water (usually out over 200'). Even
though I primarily read power boat related postings, quite often I find the sail
related postings very interesting (not that I understand all the terminology,
however). BUT, I still read them (to some extent) to get an idea of the issues
that fellow boaters (sail or power) are interested in. We are all sharing the 
same media out there, why can't we share it here? The volume of traffic on this
news group is far below most of the other groups, wouldn't it be better to 
leave this group unsplit so powerboaters can learn/communicate with sailboaters,
and vise versa? I, for one, think powering a boat using only the wind is an
increadible feat. If I weren't a fisherman, I would probably consider owning a 
sailboat.

So, put me down as a powerboater that is also really interested in sailboat 
related issues.                 [...climbing down from the soapbox now...]

Dave, AKA SlowPoke


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From: billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:39:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Sailboat rental
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:

> 
> 
> What does sailboat rental shop require from customer showing
> their sailing skill?
> 
> I am talking about renting over nighter such as Catalina 22
> or similar size.

What they ask varies a lot.  Having rented over several years
as places such as San Diego, Miami, Seattle, and Booth Bay, Main,
I say a real range.

Bottom Level:  The rental place asks a few questions to see if you
               can talk sailing.  If you can and "look like" a
               sailor, you get the boat; especially if it is a
               simple boat and the waters are not dangerous.

               I did this in Florida a lot with, for example,
               Rhodes 19s.

Middle Level:  You answer some verbal questions and take a written
               test.  As well, especially if the waters are
               complex, you must demonstrate physical sailing
               skill.

               I did this in San Diego to rent a Catalina 27.

Top Level:     You take a course of sorts in which you demonstrate
               sailing skill, rules of the road, anchoring, and
               emergency procedures such as reefing.
  
               I did this in Booth Bay to rent a Cape Dory 27.

In general, I believe that as you get into a larger boat and the
sailing increases in complexity, you need to demonstrate more
knowledge and skill.

Hope this helps.

Bill Arnold
billa@hpfcma.fc.hp.com
"No guarantees."

From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:00:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Thermostats-raw water problems
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.boats



        If you run hard and the temperature will stay up near normal
operating range most of the time, you might be able to remove the 
thermostats.  If the engine runs significantly cooler than normal
for any reason, there will be a substantial increase in cylinder wear.
The clearances are designed for optimum fit at normal operating temp.


        Thatch

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    % Lake Stevens, WA                                                 %
    % (206) 335-2083            31' Baunsgard   1972 twin engine       %
    %      flying bridge, lapstrake, wood cruiser "ENDLESS LIST"       %
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From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:14:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <50700014@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini) writes:
>   LasaST     summer I got to ride across the pacific from Hawaii to Washington    
> on the aircraft carrier Nimitz. They seperated glass and plastic and
> only dumped offshore. I mean offshore, way out there mon! An A1 group
> of sailors.
> 

What's considered to be "offshore, way out there mon"?  I routinely
travel 100+ miles offshore for tuna.  There's nothing more REVOLTING
than to be out there and see trash floating by. Yea A1 alright, anyone
who dumps trash in the ocean is an A #1 ASSHOLE.


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* MY OPINIONS.............AT&T's NETWORK *
*                                        *
* Garry Heon                     AT&T    *
* heon@cbnewsg.att.com       Holmdel, NJ *
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Winch lube
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:36:28 GMT

I've been cleaning and re-lubricating my winches (more detail in a later
posting), using BarLube (Barient's winch-lube goop, which seems to be a mix of
90-weight goo and lanolin, from the smell). Two questions came up:

(1) How much goop should I put on there? Just enough to provide a film on all
surfaces, and tiny bit more, or should it be like wheel bearings, where I would
lay it on really thick, i.e., pack the case completely with grease?

(2) The Barlube tube says "Do not use on pawl springs". This naturally lead me
to ask "What *should* I use on pawl springs?" 

Any suggestions? 

-John
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:57:00 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr2.185456.3893@linus.mitre.org> petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes:
>Why fool around with that old gasoline?  Drain it out, and replace with
                                          ^^^^^
>new.  If you are worried about *gunk* in the tank, put a gallon of acetone
>in the tank, let sit overnight, and drain.  This will absorb any *gunk* or
                                     ^^^^^
>water in the tank.  I am assuming that this is a metal tank, with metal or 
>rubber lines.  If not, please be cautious, as acetone is an EXCELLENT
>solvent for nearly all plastics.

DRAIN????  Just where do you plan on draining this stuff?  Not down the toilet,
I hope.  Not into the ground, I hope.  Not into the water, I hope.

Dudley
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From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Foul-weather gear revisited
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.144714.18374@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:
> 
> Just noticed that Lands End has come out with foulies. Anybody know anything
> about this stuff? 


Long before Lands End went into the mail-order clothing business, they were a 
high-quality mail-order marine supplier.  They also sold foul-wather gear.  I
don't know about their new stuff (and neither does anyone else, since its
brand-new), but my last set of Lands End foul weather gear lasted over ten years.
It was very high quality.

-Pete
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: hagens@cs.wisc.edu (Robert Hagens)
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:30:23 GMT

All this talk about winch rebuilding every N months prompts me to ask
the obvious (and naive) question: why? It seems like a pain in the butt to
do this so often. Is it the water that gets in them? Hasn't anyone figured
a way to make them sealed tight so that you don't have to do this so often?

Maybe it isn't as much work as it sounds...
-- 
Rob Hagens
Univ. of Wisconsin Computer Science Dept.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: william sadler <wsadler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: A3 boat on highway
Keywords: Kanza Jayhawk A3
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:45:24 -0500

In <1992Apr14.172226.26714@uhura.neoucom.edu> lwg@uhura.neoucom.edu (Lowell W. Gerson) writes:

>Monday (or Tuesday) I saw a boat headed east on I-76 that 
>had A3 and the jayhawk logo on the side.  I was passing
>under an overpass so I couldn't get a real good look
>or judge size. But it sure looked like Kanza.  Anyone know
>what she was.

That was probably JayHawk headed for NorthCarolina, I think.  I
remember reading that Koch was sending it to the east coast to
be exhibited at a Yacht Club he is sinking some dollars
into.

Will
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From: rrrucke@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Rod Rucker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Does-fin
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:23:07 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

I recently purchased a Sting-Ray fin (A Doel-fin like device)
for my boat.

It did reduce the amount of time it takes my boat to plane,
as well as planing at a lower rpm.  2100 rpm vs. 2400rpm.

My boat is a 23' Maurauder (deep V hull) with a 350 hp engine.

While the boat planes at a lower rpm, the top speed was also
reduced. I thought I was satisfied with the product until I
read here that the Doel-fin type devices can cause damaged
cavitation plates.  

Does anyone have anymore information on this?
-- 
Rod Rucker
PADI DM #47420
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Antigua to Maryland
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 12:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.135630.22166@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> mfish@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Michael Fish) writes:
:In article <12439@umd5.umd.edu> colvin@oyster.smcm.edu asks:
:
: [...about returning to US from foreign waters]
:ALSO, you will need to have made prior arrangements with the 
:US Coast Guard, pay a $25 fee and have a sticker displayed on the
:boat when you clear customs at Cape Charles, Virginia when you reenter
:the Chesapeake.  (There's a fine of ~$1,000 if you skip this detail :-(

You might also want to check with the CG on whether you need to have a 
Recreational Vessel Fee sticker. It'd be a pain to get nabbed for this by
customs....

-John
From: colvin@oyster.smcm.edu (Tim Colvin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Antigua to Maryland
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:34:02 GMT
Reply-To: colvin@oyster.smcm.edu

I am helping to deliver a Kaufman (sp?) 47 from Antigua to Maryland this  
May.  I have several questions:

1) Is it possible to rent safety equipment (such as, life-rafts,  
E.P.I.R.B.'s, harnesses, etc.) from any one?

2) Has anyone had any problems with customs when flying into a country  
without a return ticket?

3) Is there any-where to rent a hand-held G.P.S.?

4) Has anyone on the group ever done a similar delevery?

Thanks in advance!
Tim Colvin
Colvin@oyster.smcm.edu
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: AC sailoff pre-race update
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 25128@morrow.stanford.edu, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> I have gained
>new respect for DC, but my money is still on Koch -- chiefly for picking
>Buddy Melges as his First Mate (?).

Ditto on DC.  But, although I agree with DC who thinks
Melges is one of the very greatest sailors in the world, it
is the A^3 designers who are to be congratulated.  S&S
isn't competitive except in a narrow range of conditions
(light and flat).  Look at the wakes of the boats in waves
and you'll see she's pushing a lot more water aside than
either of the skinny Koch boats.  On the other hand, it is
S&S's designers who are to be congratulated for having got
this far.  What would S&S's record be against Jayhawk now?

There has been lots of good, nail-biting, come-from-behind
racing.  And the money, controversy, hypocracy, secrecy,
generosity, humor, and even some good seamanship, that make the
America's Cup the pinnacle of sailboat-racing-drama (sometimes
verging on soap opera).  

Is there any sporting event so complex?

Bill Courington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mfish@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Michael Fish)
Subject: Re: Latitude 38
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.152339.25242@cis.ohio-state.edu> zatyko@cis.ohio-state.edu (donald richard zatyko) writes:
>  A few weeks ago someone posted a message that said Latitude 38
>  would be a good place to look for a crewing job. 
>  I have called every magazine shop and bookstore in Columbus and 
>  am unable to find the publication.  I even looked in a Key West
>  store recently.  

It's distributed free on the West coast and is available elsewhere
by annual subscription (12 issues: $45 first class mail/ $20 third
class) from:   Latitude 38, P.O. Box 1678, Sausalito, CA 94966;
telephone: 415 383-8200;  fax: 415 383-5816.
From: adair@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Jerry Adair)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Let's split rec.boats
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: adair@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA / Johnson Space Center

I too am opposed to a split.  Eventhough I have only a powerboat at this time,
I enjoy reading and learning about the sailing arena.  With the commonalities that
exist between the two worlds, a split just doesn't seem practical, IMHO.  As a
result, my vote is NO.
--
From the Space City...
Jerry R. Adair                 adair@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
2101 NASA Road 1               "The mind is a terrible thing."
Houston, TX  77058             (713)483-8058
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Stay Adjustment??
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:19:34 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

That procedure sounds just about right. You may need to add some effort
to get the question of headstay length and mast bend sorted out before
moving on to the others.

Some racers aren't totally nuts. We want the leeward uppers to come
slack at about 20 degrees of heel. Tighter than that and all you're going
to do is set the rig up to the point where it's straining the hull and
more vulnerable to breakage, especially if you're using rod rigging. 

These days, even North's rig tuning suggestions for racers suggests
that you don't want the uppers too tight. 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dorl@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Michael (NMI) Dorl)
Subject: Anyone have a recent ABOS Blue Book?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 APR 92 08:02:50    

I need a couple of retail prices from something like a ABOS Sailboat
Trade-in Guide Blue Book.  If anyone has a 90 or 91 edition I'd 
appreciate the following information.  (Our librrary used to buy
these but cut down in some economy drive and bought some worthless
replacement instead).

  O'Day 272 with inboard diesel           87,88,89 model years

  S2 7.3 with sail drive gas inboard      79 model year

Thanks,

Michael Dorl              (608) 262-0466  fax (608) 262-4679
dorl@vms.macc.wisc.edu    MACC / University of Wisconsin - Madison
dorl@wiscmacc.bitnet      1210 W. Dayton St. / Madison, WI 53706
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: America's Cup results for April 11, 1992
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.341
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

Last weekend I was down in San Diego, on family business. I asked my syster,
who is a member of the SDYC if she could get me a ride on a SDYC fleet boat
for the big race between Conners' Stars & Stripes and the America^3 . Well
she was successful, oh how sucessful! Saturday I found myself with eight
other people (total) on board a 75ft Ketch "Victoria" owned by the president
of the America^3 Syndicate! If that wasn't enough, David was loaning
his boat (with him on board of course) to the Commodore of the SDYC as the
Commodore's Flag Ship. She was flying fleet flag #00 and could go about
anywhere she wanted on the course. We were careful about disturbing the
water on the course. She also doesn't produce much a wake. She was built in
the '30s and is absolutely gorgeous, inside and out.

What a day we had. Some of the best seats in the house! Too bad Dennis
ripped his genaker it really cost him time. He had to put up the spinnaker
that he stretched out on a previous race (with Kanza?). It could have been a
closer race as it certainly was up to that point. He also just couldn't keep
up going to weather in the stiffer breezes. I was amazed at how manouverable
those 12M boats are. They sailed though the fleet like dingies and came
about almost in there own length!

On the final down wind leg we veered off, raised the sails (4) and took off
South West. We got the life lines wet and hit 12+ knots with ease. I've never
been on that large a boat that sailed so well and fast.

If you ever get a chance to view the race up front and personal I highly
recomend it. It isn't really as good a view as on ESPN but it does beat
the living room couch!!

-grego
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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:22:47 GMT

In article <167C5F6BA.STU@mwvm.mitre.org> STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
:Provisions in Tortola are very easy to get - and surprisingly inexpensive.

I did not find this true, but then perhaps we didn't find the right
supermarket. Some things, esp. soft drinks, seemed quite expensive. Also,
finding nice looking veggies was not easy...

:Food was reasonable, meat fairly inexpensive (especially lamb), and the
:bread was fresh, cheap and very good.

100% right about the bread.

:Take charts with you.!!.  The charter company provided some charts - and
:we had some - but we appreciated more and purchases extra when we had
:the chance.  I normally take my piloting instruments with me when I charter
:but everyone told me the VIs were easy to travel around.  Well, they were
:right - but it is a lot more fun (for me) when I have good charts, good
:guidebooks (take several) and good instruments.

A good point. We were given a little flip book guide book that was quite
helpful, but no "real" charts at all. Mostly we were within sight of wherever
we were headed to, so it was no problem, but I'd have felt more confident with
a little auxilliary information. One other thing that's sort of fun is to sail
out through the southern string of islands and off the continental shelf. It's
about a mile or two out--takes only about 20 minutes to get there. You watch
the depth-sounder say 60...65...100...140...180...280...BEEP...BEEP...
over the course of about 2 minutes sailing. It's pretty impressive.


-John

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Spin Us a Yarn, Please
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:36:04 GMT

In article <2075@cypress.UUCP> dft@cypress.com (
Don Tuite writes:

	The _Farnella_, a ship of some 200 feet or more, sits at a dock
	in Redwood City.  On her house there is an enormous painting of
	the seal of the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey.  (Yes,
	yes, I know.  Throw it a fish.)  On her stern is the red ensign. 
	Her hailing port is Hull.

	Curious.  A British merchantman bears the house colors of a US
	government agency, or so it appears.  I'd bet there's a good
	story here, and a story, moreover, that I'd further bet Francis
	Muir may be in a position to tell.  Sir, can you enlighten us?

I've wondered the same myself. There are now three USGS Survey vessels
lined up at the Port. The *Farnella* is a modern-looking ship and she
seems to get repainted every other day. Red to White to Red &c. She
is clearly registered in the United Kingdom since she is flying the Red 
Duster. I suspect the USGS seal may be no more than a magnetic stick-on.
So, its probably a specialized Geophysical Survey ship chartered to
the Survey. On the other hand, suppose Hughes is not really dead and its
another of his spy ships... or John Major and the British Cabinet is
aboard, fearing they will lose their General Election. Well, I thought I'd
just phone up the Survey and ask, but all i get is that damed Voice Mail.
OK, I'll pop down there on my Scooter and ask.

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:26:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

While we are on the sybject of winch maintenance......

Does anyone have any good tips (Do's and Don't's) about pulling a
winch apart.  I am about to do it for the first time (no snide
comments please:-) and I am somewhat worried.

Since I am not particularly mechanically minded, whenever I start to
pull something apart, there is almost always a loud "sproing" followed
by a subliminal view of some unknown number of pieces flying into the
air.  I won't elaborate further as I am sure you must be getting the
picture by now.

Any helpful tips will be gratefully appreciated.

Brian (can't program VCRs, either) Smith
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