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From: 6500topo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rabid Rat)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New Gabriel
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:34:08 GMT

In article <ghogen.717440357@phoibi> ghogen@phoibi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Guido Hogen) writes:

>The new Gabriel album is out here in Germany.
>It's about 57 minutes long and is more a 

          [stuff deleted]

I'm looking forward to hear the new Peter's release and, from what
you say, it looks like it will be more "progressive" than the poppy
precursor "So".

My question is: what about the "blood of Eden" (or whatever the title
was) song included in the Soundtrack of Wender's "Until the End of the
World" (and one of the finest along with Byrne ad Cave) that was NOT
on the soundtrack album. Is it included in "Us"? Is it available
somewhere else?

Paolo



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From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP NEW ALBUM
Keywords: ELP new album....
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:41:26 GMT
Reply-To: jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Solar Federation
Originator: jlwoodal@c00566-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu


>>Oh yeah, I like the new Asia CD.  !?!?!?!?  
>
>If you like the new Asia CD, then all bets are off.  I just got it
>and after one listen I'm already wishing I hadn't (and I'm usually
>VERY patient with new music).  I myself didn't like the ELP album,
>but it wasn't all bad.  I *loved* ELPowell, though, and the Atlantic
>stuff too.

Well, I happen to like Downes a little more than I should.  I KNOW
that Aqua is CHEESE, but there are a few songs that I can't help but like!
I was sickened to see the exploitation of Steve Howes name, however.

>Interesting note:  The cover of the new Asia CD is NOT a Roger Dean,
>even though it *looks* very much like one.

What a coincidence...The new Asia Cd ITSELF isn't REALLY an ASIA CD,
although it *looks* very much like one!
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Sky?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:30:06 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>> Anyway, the album is all instumental, with all sorts of odd time
>> signatures,  and includes Bach's Toccatta and Fugue.   
>
> This would be "Sky 2".  There are also "Sky", "Sky 3", "Sky
> Forthcoming", "Sky Five Live", "Cadmium", "The Great Balloon Race" and
> "Mozart". The first three are out on CD in the UK, and easily available
> in shops. The others are not. 

I've got several Sky CDs, including _Cadmium_ (German, forget the label,
catalog number 610 103-222), _Masterpieces: The Very Best Of Sky_ (UK,
Telstar TCD 2241), and _The Great Balloon Race_ (UK, Epic CDEPC 26419).
I haven't decided if I like the early albums enough to pick up the CD
reissues at European prices, though.

>> While at a record swap today, I found three records by a band called
>> Sky, this seemed to be a completely different band - had vocals... 
>
> There are brief vocals on exactly one Sky track, on "The Great Balloon
> Race". I suspect there is indeed another "Sky". 

There are two, actually -- a "new age" band (at least that's the bin they're
in around here) called "Sky" that's definitely not the Peek/Flowers Sky, and
a soul/funk band called "Skyy".  I haven't heard either.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"If you can't feel the rhythm, don't dance."
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Re: sinead o'connor; I'm confused!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:54:59 GMT

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>I realize that this is not directly related to what most here would
>consider progressive music, but I have to ask whether anyone reading
>this has any idea what the heck Sinead O'Connor was trying to say/do
>on Saturday Night Live last night. She was singing some song ostensibly
>about universal human rights and which ended with statements about
>youth having to fight and being confident of the victory of good over
>evil -- okay so far so good -- then there is a close-up of hear tearing
>up a picture of the Pope when she says (not sings) ``fight the _real
>evil_''. I figured, OK, she's Irish and pro-Protestant (i.e. presumably
>protestant), but then I noticed she was wearing a _mogen David_. 
>Could anyone out there give me some idea of where she was coming from
>and what the point of her performance was supposed to be?

I saw that too.  I have no idea what happened, but the audience was 
completely shocked.  I think something like one person applauded. 

>Thanks,

>Gregg

Ed.

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: Nektar disc?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20909]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:24:39 GMT

-=> You didn't mention "Man In the Moon" from 1980. This one is very
-=> much like a Genesis album. I like it equally as well as some of the
-=> mid-period Genesis. This is the "pre-Michelob" years of Genesis. 
-=> 
-=> By the way, I have "A Tab in the Ocean" dated as 1972.

I have never heard of _Man in the Moon_ nor seen it listed anywhere.  For 
_Tab_ do you have the date on the album?  I got the info from a book since
I don't have that album.


Mike Taylor -=- piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jeff@tessi.com (Jeff Hemmerling)
Subject: Gentle Giant CD Question
Summary: Looking for Gentle Giant's "Power and the Glory" on CD
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:27:43 GMT

I'm looking for Gentle Giant's "Power and the Glory" on CD.  It went
out of print here in the US sometime in the last twelve months.  If
anyone can help me locate a copy (preferably new) I'd be greatly
indebted.

-- 
-- Jeff Hemmerling <jeff@tessi.com>
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From: ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: MARILLION mail list help
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:23:24 GMT
Organization: Byte & Floppy Computers

To join the (new) Marillion mailing list, send:

subscribe freaks My Real Name

to: freaks-request@bnf.com

The server software will get your address off of the mail header.  The My
Real Name can actually be anything that you'd normally put in a GECOS field.

If you have problems, send problem reports to:

ken@bnf.com

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Chris Squire
Keywords: YES, Chris Squire
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:21:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jbbg0390@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (God of Dichloromethane ) writes:

>   Can anyone tell what that Chris Squire album "Fish out of Water" is like?
>   While watching Yesyears they played clips of a video made from that album,
>   but I know very little about the rest of it.  I thought the album would
>   probably be similar to Yes in the late 70's (near Tormato) but I'm not sure.
>   I'm thinking of trying to pick up the album but wanted to know first.

"FISH OUT OF WATER" is one fantastic album, with excellent sound and
moving music.

I have it on both album and import CD (Japan).  It is nothing like
Tormato, his solo was released at the same time all the other members of
YES released solo works in the mid-70's.  Outside of a project Squire did
with his wife, this is his only solo work.

Pick it up, I am sure you will like it.  Needless to say, the bass playing
is great.


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: FLOWER POWER - let's do it again!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:12:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Are there any current groups into the Flower Power scene, I mean really trippy like Jefferson
Airplane and other truly hippie bands.
From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Asia live album: reviews wanted
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:06:13 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

The other day I saw an import CD of an Asia live concert in Moscow,
which (amusingly enough) claimed to contain "Starless" and some other
King Crimson number, along with a reasonably good choice of Asia tracks
(in so far as there is such a thing as a reasonably good choice of Asia
tracks).

Is it any good?



Graham Nelson (Oxford)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Re: ELP NEW ALBUM
Summary: ELP ASIA New Albums
Keywords: ELP new album....
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:56:36 GMT

In article <BvGsqI.IGI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas) writes:
> jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu  writes:
> 
> >Should I continue to assume that the new ELP album blows,
> >or should I run RIGHT NOW and pick it up?
> >Background:
> >I thought 3 was an embarrasment.
> >ELPowll was equally as bad
> >However, I like most anything off the Atlantic Years...
> >Oh yeah, I like the new Asia CD.  !?!?!?!?  
> 
> If you like the new Asia CD, then all bets are off.  I just got it
> and after one listen I'm already wishing I hadn't (and I'm usually
> VERY patient with new music).  I myself didn't like the ELP album,
> but it wasn't all bad.  I *loved* ELPowell, though, and the Atlantic
> stuff too.
> 
> Interesting note:  The cover of the new Asia CD is NOT a Roger Dean,
> even though it *looks* very much like one.
> -- 
> ___-Tom_Maciukenas_(tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)______________________________
> 
> "S.E.T.E.C. : Special Extra-Terrestrial Earthling Counter"
> "A turnip cures Elvis = Universal Studios"                -- from "Sneakers"


#1) _Black Moon_ does not blow, but isn't a classic either. Compared to 
their early efforts it pales, then again, you have to admit that none
of the elite progressive rock bands  (Yes, Jethro Tull, Peter Gabrial
and so on) put out anything close to a ``classic'' album in the last 5
or ten years. Record companies today don't allow the key progressive
rock bands to produce anything truly progressive, only
progressive-sounding commercial rock now (especially ASIA and GTR).
Compared to the efforts of some of their fellow progressive rock artists
lately, ELP's _Black Moon_ is *very* good IMHO.

#2) _ELPowell_ I do like, but I consider most of it commercial syrup
than real progressive rock. It's one of the few albums I can put on when
my parents visit that doesn't drive them up the wall.

#3) Anyone in Canada can tell me where I can pick up the new ASIA CD?

Andy ``Progressive Rock is the Thinking Man's Rock''
From: ma155fan@b432-9.ucsd.edu (Ezik Waznez)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mel Collins
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:00:04 GMT
Organization: Univsersity of California, San Diego


Mel Collins also appeared on Chris Squire's solo album "Fish Out of Water".  I know he was on the
song "Lucky Seven", but am not sure about the other tracks.

ERIC WARNER
From: sussman@cs.cornell.edu (Stephen H. Sussman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis: The Horizons Debacle
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:47:56 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

Try Paperlate, the genesis mailing list. 
genesis-request@cs.unca.edu

They have an excelllent discography of boots.

Contact Scott, at mcmahan@cs.unca.edu for more details (i.e a better
plug).

-Steve Sussman

P.S. How's that for a plug, Scott?
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine)
Subject: Re: sinead o'connor; I'm confused!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:23:35 GMT

In <BvM4no.Fvr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:

>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>I realize that this is not directly related to what most here would
>>consider progressive music, but I have to ask whether anyone reading
>>this has any idea what the heck Sinead O'Connor was trying to say/do
>>on Saturday Night Live last night. She was singing some song ostensibly
>>about universal human rights and which ended with statements about
>>youth having to fight and being confident of the victory of good over
>>evil -- okay so far so good -- then there is a close-up of hear tearing
>>up a picture of the Pope when she says (not sings) ``fight the _real
>>evil_''. I figured, OK, she's Irish and pro-Protestant (i.e. presumably
>>protestant), but then I noticed she was wearing a _mogen David_. 
>>Could anyone out there give me some idea of where she was coming from
>>and what the point of her performance was supposed to be?

>I saw that too.  I have no idea what happened, but the audience was 
>completely shocked.  I think something like one person applauded. 

Here's what I think the deal was. . .  I think it was a direct slam
on the Catholic church and an indirect slam on organized religions in
general.  But, what I saw was someone who attacked the supposed hypocrisy
of the Church by dressing up like a priest, singing like a priest in
Gregorian Chant-like fashion, yet saying all these things that she
believed and stood for.  I saw it more as a performance art piece than
as a musical performance.  And, to an extent, I think it was innovative,
but beyond that, I think it was basically not very good.

colette
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ballj@pell4l20 (Jamie Ball)
Subject: Anyone seen John Zorn
Keywords: John Zorn
Reply-To: ballj@pell4l20
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:00:38 GMT

	I am looking for information about John Zorn who did "The Music of  
Ennnio Morricone," and "Ornette Coleman," and "Naked City


Thanks Jamie
From: mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Ozric Tentacles
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:24:26 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

Well, after reading so many gushing statements about Ozric Tentacles in
this newsgroup, I parted with $33 and acquired the CD double _Afterswish_.
This is great psychedelic fusion! I understand this CD is a compilation
of stuff they originally released only on cassette in the BBC. So, is the
rest of their stuff like this... or even better? I hear they have three
studio CDs out and a live one (Live Underslunky?).

Also, I read here some time ago that OT were touring America? Anyone have
any concert dates in the States - especially Chicago?
- Mike

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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: sinead o'connor; I'm confused!
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:56:39 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct4.232335.17260@news.acns.nwu.edu> colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine) writes:
>In <BvM4no.Fvr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>>I realize that this is not directly related to what most here would
>>>consider progressive music, but I have to ask whether anyone reading
>>>this has any idea what the heck Sinead O'Connor was trying to say/do
>>>on Saturday Night Live last night. She was singing some song ostensibly
>>>about universal human rights and which ended with statements about
>>>youth having to fight and being confident of the victory of good over
>>>evil -- okay so far so good -- then there is a close-up of hear tearing
>>>up a picture of the Pope when she says (not sings) ``fight the _real
>>>evil_''. I figured, OK, she's Irish and pro-Protestant (i.e. presumably
>>>protestant), but then I noticed she was wearing a _mogen David_. 
>>>Could anyone out there give me some idea of where she was coming from
>>>and what the point of her performance was supposed to be?

>>I saw that too.  I have no idea what happened, but the audience was 
>>completely shocked.  I think something like one person applauded. 

>Here's what I think the deal was. . .  I think it was a direct slam
>on the Catholic church and an indirect slam on organized religions in
>general.  But, what I saw was someone who attacked the supposed hypocrisy
>of the Church by dressing up like a priest, singing like a priest in
>Gregorian Chant-like fashion, yet saying all these things that she
>believed and stood for.  I saw it more as a performance art piece than
>as a musical performance.  And, to an extent, I think it was innovative,
>but beyond that, I think it was basically not very good.


That's an interesting hypothesis! In support of this interpretation
(at least from the perspective of someone in Boston where there is
a well publicized case of an ex-priest who while a reprentative of
the Church apparently molested several dozen children) was the emphasis
she put on the words `child abuse'. But I'm not so sure she's in
touch with the American social scene to pick up on such things.
If she's Catholic then I guess I'd go along with this interpretation.



Thanks for your reply!


Gregg

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From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New Gabriel
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:10:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


  I have a brand new copy still in the plastic for $9.00 (includes postage)
if anyone wants it.
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP NEW ALBUM
Keywords: ELP new album....
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:22:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas) writes:

>jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu  writes:

>>Should I continue to assume that the new ELP album blows,
>>or should I run RIGHT NOW and pick it up?
>>Background:
>>I thought 3 was an embarrasment.
>>ELPowll was equally as bad
>>However, I like most anything off the Atlantic Years...
>>Oh yeah, I like the new Asia CD.  !?!?!?!?  

I am an ELP fan, and thought "Black Moon" was okay.  It was not what
I had expected, but I was glad to see the band together.  In concert,
they were amazing!

3 was a lackluster effort.  I admit to I like it, but it is not on my
most oftened play list.

ELPowell was allright, and they too were very good in concert.  That
album was somewhat commercial, and received more airplay than
the new release has.

I cannot comment on The Atlantic Years, I have not picked it up yet.

I did get the new ASIA release several months ago on import from
Japan.  It is not great, nothing like the old ASIA, weak in most
spots.  Downes is the only standout on the album, he should do
another solo release.

>Interesting note:  The cover of the new Asia CD is NOT a Roger Dean,
>even though it *looks* very much like one.

According to the liner notes on the booklet from my import copy,
it reads:

Sleeve illustration by Robert Matthews
Asia logo designed and painted by Roger Dean
Sleeve Design/Typography by Brian Burrows


-- 
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     David De Trolio
---------------------------------
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From: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Good <> Innovative
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:22:21 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


To clarify what I did and Didn't say:  ;-)

In article <CHRISLEY.92Oct5174213@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:
>
>This is a follow up to the "classic" album discussion, and to the
>claims (by the Lighthouse Keeper, I believe) that certain "prog"
>artists are no longer innovative.

I said this, but I believe the word was Vital. It doesn't just apply to
progressive artists, nor does it apply to all progressive artists.
I was mainly trying to point out that many of these 'reunions' seem like
nothing more than these old bands trying to capitalize on their past.
Amid much fanfare they release new albums of mostly mediocre material,
tour, then go hide again until they're broke - then come out of the
woodwork 7 or 8 years later to take some more of our money away.

Take Floyd for example - where's the followup to "Momentary Lapse..."
For a band to be vital (full of energy and life as webster defines it)
they must be a working band. One album and tour in eight years hardly
qualifies, does it? Now if ELP comes back in 12 or 14 months with
another album and tour, then I'll eat these words, but I know they
won't because they made enough money off Black Moon to last them
another 10 years at least. Same goes for Genesis, in five or six years
they'll go back into the studio, spend five days writing new brain-dead
material, pop out another album, tour, then go back into retirement.

>OK, I call it "progressive" rock, too.  But I'll be the first to
>acknowledge that most of the music I like is no longer "progressive"
>in the sense of "innovative".
>
>So what?  ART DOES NOT HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE TO BE GOOD.

I don't believe I ever said it did.

>There is a place for evaluating music within its social context; but
>there is also a place for evaluating the music in itself, regardless
>of how many albums like it have already been released.  When I enjoy a
>particular harmonic progression, it doesn't matter to me that it "has
>been done".

I've got no dispute here either. I agree 100%.

>Just because a band uses old tricks: (changing time signatures, pedal
>points, long songs with multiple movements & recurring themes,
>non-blues harmonic progressions, etc.) does not mean that the band
>lacks artistic integrity or quality.

I don't believe I'm the one who said that artists need to abandon old
styles and continually move into new territory to remain enjoyable,
in fact, if some of these dinosaur bands hadn't abandoned the 'old tricks'
that made them great, they would be much better for it today.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"