From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Uptightness about sex & ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:49:52 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
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In article <palmer.713661137@isye.gatech.edu> palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer) writes:
>Gee, since "my" solution is the way the system works *now*, how did we
>ever get along??
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	Simple -- by the majority repressing the rights of others.  That's
the way the system "works" now.  Because of your system, you can
still find places were cohabitiation between unmarried adults is 
illegal, homosexuality: illegal, anything other than straight het sex
is illegal, certain religions are illegal, etc.  Just because we have
a system where minorities are easily suppressed/ignored doesn't
mean it is a good system.  The way the system works "now" used to allow
for slavery -- only until enough people thought it should be changed
did we "allow" those poor blackies "freedom".  The way the system works
"now" used to allow women no vote.  This doesn't mean any of these things
were _right_.  Just because "that's they way it is" is a *very poor*
excuse to justify anything -- and that is the excuse you are using.

>Yes, you went overboard.  It is not sufficent for just a few people to
>want something to get ANYthing changed ANYwhere.  If you have a
>different point of view, you have to convince your city council members
>that what you want is both logical and fair.  This is how the excesses
>(like blondes-only beaches) are screened out.  See?  The stopping
>condition isn't so tough after all.
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	The stopping condition is arbitrary and obviously "unfair" to 
minority positions (just as black slaves, native americans, etc) and
those with minority views/religions.  

>    Watch as the uptight TVP have you arrested.  Enjoy the next 3 years
>    as Bruno the Butcher's personal love slave in the State Pen.
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	This can happen for most any excuse anyway -- the US is *way* number
one in imprisoning people/captita.  We used to be behind the USSR many
years ago, then were only behind South Africa, but about 2 years ago
we became number 1.  God, I'm proud to be an American - land of the
imprisoned.  Something like one third of all black men will have 
been in jail for one reason or another in their lifetimes.  But that's
"ok", because they can just "convince their local city council
members that this isn't logical and fair" -- and this will make
everything hunky-dory.  Yeah.  Right now the Santerians are fighting for
their religious rights in SF -- they already lost in LA.  But
that's ok -- because they are only a minority religion and well, we
can just "screen out" their requests because they can't convince the
majority.  Sorry Mike, that argument is complete bullshit.


>2)  Be considerate.
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	Under current law, a great many things are illegal to do in the
privacy of your own home.  If doing it in private isn't the height of
being considerate, I don't know what is.  But that doesn't stop the
current system.

>This is how our system works.  I don't care if you like it or not.  If
>you wish to live in this society you play by its rules or you will be
>punished.
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	Exactly.  Play by the majority's rules, or be locked up.  What is
right has nothing to do with it.  The fact that you weren't bothering
anyone has nothing to do with it.  Glad you agree -- *plugh*.


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