From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Revised consistency check
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:19:58 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <77662@ut-emx.uucp> andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Lynch's Imaginary Friend) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>Our family isn't dysfunctional. 
>
>Though we make no claims about its constituent parts.

Well, write me off the dysfunctional list, too.

>>We, unlike you, have ways of dealing
>>with dysfunctional and disobedient elements who have no sense of right
>>or wrong. 
>
>So do we.  Education works wonders, as the pro-forcers keep claiming.

That's what squeezed me out of the pro-abort movement. 
Education, that is.

>>Such as telling one's parents off whenever they so pleased
>>to do so. 
>
>And as I've said before, this is hardly a felony.  It needs to be taken
>care of, but throwing a kid out for backtalk, especially a young teen...
>well, I can forgive someone for thinking your family is dysfunctional.

They threatened him. And of course, you probably have read the whole
explanation in another thread by now, so I don't need to re-copy it here...

>>Now, I know that's not a bad thing in your house, and your kids feel
>>free to do that to you every day if they wish. After all, to teach
>>them otherwise, means a dysfunctional family. 
>
>Sigh.
>
>Teaching children not to talk back is not dysfunctional.  Turning a kid
>out so you don't have to deal with the problem, then disinheriting him
>when your first brilliant solution flubbed, is.

Well, excuse us if we don't have any patience for the Bart Simpson's of
this world. But what do you do when normal punishments and talking just
don't work with someone until you finally have to threaten some serious and
permanent action? Then what do you do when your kid "puts you in your
place" as they're leaving on their own volition?

>Steve, I'm not blaming you for your parents' mistakes.  I'm not even blaming
>you for wanting to believe your family is typical.  I'm merely pointing out
>that it's typical of no other family I've ever seen, including mine.

Families that haven't read Dr. Benjamin Spock's "spare the rod, spoil the
child" ideology aren't typical. So what's the difference?

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