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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Talking about incoherence....  :)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:15:14 GMT

Durian (bk140@cleveland.freenet.edu) wrote:
: hehehe..... :)

: Can't stop smiling when you see someone jumping around trying to say that
: everyone else is wrong.  Pak Othman, I am trying very hard but still can 
: not understand what you points are, who you are supporting and all that 
: stuff.....   

Why should I support any one? All of us have weaknesses in one area or other,
so do not expect me to support you all the time.

: Please don't jump on me and say that I accuse you of anything; just state
: your stand point, would you?  I find it hard to discuss with you when your
: opinions vary from post to post.  I hope you are not arguing just for the
: fun of it.
You are not the only one who say that. Well yes, I'm arguing for the fun of
it because I do not have to make any decision. If I have to make the decision,
it will be a different story.

: I personally do not like the way these priviledge business is being
: stripped
: by the government although I think the rulers who abuse their priviledges
: should be restrained.  One thing that is clear is we would not see what 
What makes you think that the sultans do not want it to be restrained?
You have been brainwashed by the government controlled media but if you are
intelligent enough you can still pick up the pieces. Read carefully what
Tengku Razaleigh proposes.
	The argument is actually HOW IT IS TO BE DONE.
: is happening now if Mahathir is happy with the Sultans.  That's 
: how politics is played I guess....

: ----
: Me,

: From a pseudo-Artic town in New Hampshire.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9b-ap@po.berkeley.edu (HakLien Chua)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE!!!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:35:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.020206.21137@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>: As the original poster said before, Uganda's ruler is siphoning off
>The original poster mentioned another nation.
No, he didn't, he did refer to Uganda.
>: money to build a tiny piece of paradise, while the rest of the country
>: is going to hell. And do you believe everything you watch on TV?
>You may be out of touch with Malaysia. It occurs the same way here even with
>lots of chinese.
>	In fact I can say that it is worse in Malaysia, if your judgement were
>to be believed. We have more paradises here than anywhere in Africa. The 
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could u elaborate on this? Africa doesn't really have paradises, yes, I know.
I just don't understand what you're trying to say at all.

>chinese even siphon off billions of ringgit to Hong Kong and Singapore, due to
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>our open economic policy, and you people do not seem to appreciate this, or
>may be just do not bother, after all you are all convinced that you are the
>only 2ND CLASS CITIZENS in the whole wide world.
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>

Firstly, I never said we "are the only 2nd CLASS CITIZENS in the whole
wide world". Where did you get that idea? It's only your stereotypes getting
to you, again, mr Othman. Please do not accuse us of a crime we have not
commited. I have never believed that we are entitled to special treatment.

Second, could u just stop grabbing facts out of nowhere and quote some FACTS,
or since you said that they weren't reliable, some SOURCES? "Billions of
ringgits?" Where did you get that figure?

Third, have you ever sat back and stopped to think about what you post on the
net? You're not arguing against us. You're just arguing for your own extreme 
prejudices. 

And fourth, if Chinese are siphonig off money to HK and Singapore, how
would we have more paradises? Are u talking about economic paradises?
Please make yourself clear. You're getting more and more vague with every
post.


Chua
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Re: Kuala Lumpur Composite Index for Wednesday Jan 20 1993
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:39:23 GMT

In article <93022.071756ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>, ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. Ng)
writes:

>    Though the news might have an unknown impact on the financial market
> in Kuala Lumpur, the size of the market itself is simply too small for
> us to use the information-driven financial eficiency hypothess to pass
> any conclusive judgment.  

Yes, it is true that the market capitalization is too small for any
reliable references to information-driven efficiency.  However, traders
also use a investor expectation model that is based on characteristics
of past trading activity with relation to a series of variables in the
market.  One of the variables that is relevant to the Kuala Lumpur Index
is the speculative nature of trades being processed and the number of
trades within the 1,000 - 5,000 lots mark.  Of late, the KLCI has seen a
lot of activity for companies that are contesting for gaming permits in
China.  Most of the recent highs and lows can be attributed to that
fact, so far there is no indication that any corporation has gained the
upper hand but that is still not stopping investors from driving up the
share price of these contesting corporations.  
 
  
David
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:46:39 GMT
Organization: JHO Company, Dallas, Texas USA

ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt) writes:

>Heard on BBC....

>.... Proton Saga is the fastest selling car in Britain.  According to the
>manufacturers, they intend to use Britain as a platform to launch into the
>European markets.  It was also reported that in Malaysia, 7 out of 10 cars
>are Protons.

>Incidentally, there have been rumours that Protons are heavily subsidized
>by the M'sian government.  Wonder if this is true.

I saw many, many Proton in KL when I was there last year.  BTW, some
taxi driver in KL told me there are only two Lexus LS400 there and they cost
US$250,000.  Can someone verify that info?  Also, what is the policy 
of importing vehicles like Lexus to Malaysia?  Just a random thought. :) 
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: This has nothing to do wih (Was Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE!!!)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:08:08 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan27.020206.21137@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
[munchies]
> 	In fact I can say that it is worse in Malaysia, if your judgement were
> to be believed. We have more paradises here than anywhere in Africa. The 
> chinese even siphon off billions of ringgit to Hong Kong and Singapore, due to 
> our open economic policy, and you people do not seem to appreciate this, or
> may be just do not bother, after all you are all convinced that you are the
> only 2ND CLASS CITIZENS in the whole wide world.

	Hmm...  Did you mixup the M'sian passport holding chinese and the
non-M'sian passport holding chinese??  Big difference between the two... 
Besides, I don't really care to be the ONLY 2nd citizen or ANY 2nd class
citizen.  In fact, I don't even ask for the special rights to be abolished
right now, but that a date be set.  Look at the industries in US that have
"special rights" ie, like the milk producers and the grain growers.  They are
heavily subsidiced, to the point that some of them are PAID for NOT GROWING
grain... Stupid rule, don't you think??  My point is, OK, you want special
rights and help.  OK.  Set a date for that to be achieved.  That's all I ask
for.  Surely you don't expect it to continue indefinitely?
	Ciao.

-Tai
ps: Can we please let this thread die in peace??
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: A soccer match commentary
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:44:16 GMT


Interesting. Wonder who is the referee and linesmen ?  Tun Saleh Abbas ?

Kel
From: amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: gandalf@cs.bu.edu
Organization: Boston University


|> >Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
|> >wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
|> >zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.
|> 
|> 	Hey, I did specifically say "flirting", not fornication.  
|> Watch my words carefully, you idiot. 
|> 
|> >In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into
|> 
|> 	Not a crime? Did the Quran not say, "do not go NEAR zina"
|> (wala taqrabus zina).  I wonder what did you do to your wife before
|> you marry her...

In the Quran, there are a lot of instances where you have to use intelligent
interpretation. Flirting a crime? My my! I suppose when I decide I want to
get married, I'll have to grab a girl by the hair and say "marry me!" 
Flirting is by no means "getting close to zina". Do not hold a "holier
than thou" attitude just because you do not flirt. (Disclaimer: this does
not imply I flirt :)

|> 
|> >wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.
|> >
|> 
|> 	Agreed. As in your case, one did not  have be a royalty to
|> be an idiot.
|> 
|> >
|> >--
|> >Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
|> >Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
|> >Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
|> >Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
|> >
From: rbn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Radzifuddin B. Nordin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: YES to soc.culture.malaysia
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:08:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Enough said...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Anjing Tupai)
Subject: Re: Malaysian Embassy Address
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:36:06 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: nuscss1@vms1.iscs.nus.sg (Vax BULLET-IN-Board SysOps)
Subject: Happy New Year...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:43:00 GMT

	Here's wishing everyone out there, esp Singaporeans
	spending their Lunar New Year away from home, 
	a Happy Lunar New Year. 
	Gong Xi Fa Cai. 
	Long Ma Jing Shen.
        Nian Nian You Yu.
From: nkhor@MtHolyoke.edu (Niny Khor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: A bedtime story
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:07:11 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


It all started with simple cells , you know the tiny cute round things you see
in your typical bio-texts. Then in the Cambrian period, around 630 millions
years ago, the brachiopods , mollusks , crustaceans and trilobites were
common life-forms. During the Ordovician period the first fishes appeared.
Next came the Silurian period where plants and scorpionlike anthropods
grace the surface of land, and during the Devonian period the first
insects and amphibians appeared. Thus we came to the Mississippi and
Pennsylvanian period which saw the proliferation of amphibians and insects
as well as the emergence of the very first reptiles. Then around 280
million years ago, dinosaurs emerged. By the Mesozoic era, aquatic
reptiles dominate the sea, flying repltiles were common, bony fishes
abundant and modern mammals dominated. But it took more than another 100
million years before the hominoids emerged -- the species which gave rise
to pongids and hominids-- the ancestors of homo sapiens.

It is not clear how did evolution started nor when. But one fact is clear
--the Kingdom of Monera has dominated the world for2.5 billion years --
but look where they are today. Man might dominate for the next few
centuries but the future is hard to predict. Tolerance and co-operation
are the keys to mutual survival. So please be done with flames !

Hmmmm.... do I hear the Martians coming ?

Happy new semester folks! :)






My opinions are mine alone,

Niny Khor.
From: popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: ASEAN: soc.culture.malaysia
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:44:54 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yarrow.csv.warwick.ac.uk


I agree what you suggested is right for this newsgroup. ASEAN should be one and
then everyone who want to talk about their own countries either establish a new
group or put THAILAND:, MALAYSIA:, SINGAPORE: whatever they are in the front, it
may give some difficulties for the first, but when you get use to it. It will be
very good for our society ASEAN. The regional which is peace, the highest
economic growth in the World. However, ASEAN is the best place for everyone.


SAWANIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (~{BmOHIz~})
Subject: A soccer match commentary
Organization: nanyang technological university
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 03:53:00 GMT


   An interesting "soccer" match has started and play is still in progress.
   Venue for this 'game of the year' is at the "stadium" of one of our
   neighbours. The set of players involved in this match is of the highest
   calibre that you can imagined. 
   
   The M-team, lead by their stalwart captain, M-dare (reputed to be 
   extremely good in maintaining team discipline with a soft pep-talk 
   but whacks with a big stick), must win the crucial game to avoid 
   relegation into oblivion. Their supporters know this, but will they 
   be prepared to shout their voices hoarse and their support (Tiger 
   Roar?) be sufficient remained to be seen.  
  
   Their opponents, the Agang-team, has nine regular players with 
   their captain who is well versed in legalities obviously know the
   rules of the game very well. One member of the team is known to
   be not only good in kicking the leather ball but the butt of the 
   coach as well. Supporters of this team revered their players
   and see in them a symbol of supremacy. Whether or not this symbol
   can fill their tummies or pay for their tickets to the match seems
   unimportant to the majority of these supporters and 
   some of them (whose main "goal" in life is to literally
   kick a leather football between the goal posts) are fond of  
   blaming others (especially those who happened to have different 
   "goals" in life) for why they have so little on their tables. 
   
   At stake (or "the high stakes showdown" to quote one local reporter)
   is not only the relegation that threatens the M-team but the rules
   of the how future games are to be played (i.e. with one or
   two sets of rules). Wither the fortunes of the Agang-team? Or will
   they prevail when the final whistle is blown? That's an interesting 
   question. 

   
-- 
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	    expressed are all mine, unless my employer wants them.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: 10792759@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (YEW YAP)
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:19:45 GMT

In article <004845m.6.728100435@axe.acadiau.ca> 004845m@axe.acadiau.ca (FARA HANIM SHEIKH MUHAMAD) writes:
>From: 004845m@axe.acadiau.ca (FARA HANIM SHEIKH MUHAMAD)
>Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
>Date: 27 Jan 93 02:07:15 GMT
>
>
>>        A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
>>animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
>>their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.
>
>i  agree.
KILLING - A crime against humanity, except in war.
DRINKING - Alright as long as you're not driving.
           "If you drink and then drive, you're a bloody idiot."
FLIRTING - Everyone(in the modern world) does it. Perfectly alright. What's
           wrong with enjoying pleasures of life with the opposite sex?
           (Assuming you're heterosexual,of course.) Marriage and sex/
           flirting are two totally different things.
OTHER IMMORAL THINGS - Depends on what in particular and varies between
                       individuals.

Just my honest opinion.

Alexander the First.
From: noorazid@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (mohd idris noorazida)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: To All The Malaysian Chinese
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:36:00 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science



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From: c9b-ap@po.berkeley.edu (HakLien Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Kaya Recipes?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:14:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu
Summary: Flame-proof post...

Does anyone have the recipe for Kaya? I miss the stuff
quite badly, and wonder if one can make it at home....

Chua
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From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Selected Blue Chip Prices on the KLCI
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:54:05 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

Selected Blue Chip Prices on the Kuala Lumpur Composite Index
as of 22 January 1993.

  1992-1993        Listing                   Price
High     Low                                  MYR

3.14     2.33      Boustead                   2.46
7.10     3.24      Hong Leong Credit          6.55
10.50    6.35      Malayan Banking            9.10
3.10     2.31      Malayan United Ind         2.67
3.00     0.93      Multi-Purpose              1.75
1.74     1.25      Public Bank                1.50
5.35     3.48      Sime Darby                 4.64

* price data supplied by Telekurs
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 07:17:56 MST
From: C. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Kuala Lumpur Composite Index for Wednesday Jan 20 1993

In article <1993Jan21.040307.23394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>,
dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip) says:
>
>Kuala Lumpur market fell marginally amid uncertainty over the proposed
>constitutional amendments to limit the powers of the country's nine
>hereditary rulers.  The composite index closed 0.25 lower at 624.12 in
>volume of 65.6m shares.

   Though the news might have an unknown impact on the financial market
in Kuala Lumpur, the size of the market itself is simply too small for
us to use the information-driven financial eficiency hypothess to pass
any conclusive judgment.  As of last summer, my reliable sources in
Bank Negara told me that market capitalization is still at its
embryonic stage.  Malaysia didn't even have any organized bond
market as of last summer.  Suprisingly, K.L. does have a futures
exchange on tin whose future is really in question now.



Signed,
  C. Ng, Ph.D.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:48:15 EST

-----start of forwarded msg

Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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