HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Capacity Planning & Performance Measurement
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 22:32:24 -0500

We're pleased to announce the Spring conference of The Computer
Measurement Group's DEC Systems Subgroup (CMG/D) to be held in
Dayton, OH, on April 22nd.

The conference will feature a DEC Track including 5 sessions on
DEC Capacity Planning and Performance.  The sessions include:

. Stress Testing a Non-Existant Application - Jack Brey, Navistar,
  discusses modeling and benchmark testing to cheese between use of
  a CASE tool and ACMS for a new major application.  The case study
  discusses analytical modeling and benchmarking on a VAX 9000.

. Business Use of Transactions and Response Time in VMS - Matthew
  Sullivan, BGS Systems, talks about how business (user) needs can
  only be serviced by providing enough computing capacity to complete
  the required work in the required time.  This session will discuss
  some methodologies for measuring and ensuring adequate response
  time in the VMS environment.

. Performance Characteristics of a Client/Server Transaction Processing
  Model - Dave Butchart, DEC, examines the performance characteristics
  of a TP monitor (VAX/ACMS) implemented using a client/server distributed
  architecture in the VAX VMS environment.  Performance related
  implementation and tuning options made possible by client/server
  architecture will also be explored.

. Implementing Capacity Planning for a VAX Cluster - Steve Weisman and
  Jack Gunther, Booz, Allen & Hamilton, This presentation outlines the
  process taken to implement capacity planning for a VAX cluster using only
  the standard DEC VMS performance monitors and tools.  VMS Monitor utility
  for growth trending is illustrated.  Additonally, Image-level accounting
  and ALL-IN-1 Metering utilities are examined to perform a detailed
  workload characterization and develop planning metrics.

. Capacity Planning in a VAX/VMS Environment - Case Studies - Roger Grant
  DEC, Several case studies of capacity planning n a VAX/VMS environment
  will be presented.  The studies will illustrate real solutions to capacity
  planning in a large VAXcluster, a client-server application, and an SMP
  environment.

This session will be held at the Fairborn Holiday Inn in Fairborn, OH.
The cost is $65.00 per person, including lunch.  ($80.00, after April 6)

To register contact:

Annette Roth
17x CMG
P.O. Box 2816
Cincinnati, OH 45201-2816

For more info about this meeting or CMG/D, feel free to contact me at:
703-902-5173
or Voice Mail 1-800-862-4511, box number: 5173
Gunther_Jack@bethesda.bah.pc.niaid.nih.gov
Jack.gunther@p0.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org

Hope to see you there!

CMG and CMG/D are non-profit organizations dedicated to furthering the state
of the art in capacity planning and computer performance measurement and to
sharing information and ideas within the professional community.


Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: aiko@news.cs.odu.edu (John K Hayes)
Subject: When's the next DECUS symposium?  (also ramblings on Dexpo)
Originator: aiko@azalea.cs.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:29:09 GMT



Can anyone tell me when and where the next DECUS symposium is?  I am hoping
to get my company to foot the bill and send me.  I read today in Digital
Review that there will be a Dexpo trade show in Atlanta this coming May 5-7.
There was also a front-page article about how DECUS wants to create their
own trade show to go on along with next year's symposium (in May '93)
in conflict with the next Dexpo trade show.  This has apparently been
approved.  From the look of the ad for this year's Dexpo show, DECUS may be
right in saying their own show would be of better quality.  Apparently, Dexpo
had hoped to join with the DECUS symposia in providing a trade show portion.

I'm not sure I could get my company to send me to the Dexpo show this May;
the DECUS symposia would be a lot easier to sell.  I hope I haven't missed
it this year.  Anyone know?

John Hayes
aiko@cs.odu.edu
ADP Systems Manager
Raytheon EMC
-- 
    ---{john hayes}  Old Dominion University; Norfolk, Virginia USA
                     internet: aiko@cs.odu.edu
                     Work: (804) 858-5061  <Raytheon Service Co.>  
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: coleve@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Definitive list of PDP processors and their differences ?clo
Organization: Utah Valley Communtiy College
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:12:06 -0700

In article <1992Apr6.080119.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>, oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:
> In article <702562807.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes:
>>  
>> I didn't know he also developed RSX too.  I heard he went to work 
>> for Microsoft on Windows/NT.  Interesting what you can learn around 
>> here.  
> 
> Amazing what you can learn that is not correct! RSX pre-dates Dave Cutler by
> quite a bit. He was largely responsible for the "M" implementation of RSX and
> was the top designer for VAX/VMS and now is at Microsoft.
> 
Humm.
  The folklore I learned (way back before VAXes were invented) was that
Dave Cutler wrote the first version of RSX during his lunch hours while
he worked for Dow Chemical.  Then DEC bought RSX and hired him.
This was supposedly the source of RSX-11C  (which I have actually used!)
before RSX11-D, before RSX11M, M+ and IAS.
  Of course, maybe I heard - or remembered - wrong.
-- 
-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College --
From: brodie@fps.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Atlanta Symposium - hotel descriptions from last year?
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:41:35 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin,  Milwaukee, WI

In article <1992Apr6.184100.4078@eco.twg.com>, reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack) writes:

> If the hotel has a digital phone system, you may not be able to do
> even this. Clipping an analog modem to a digital circuit is likely
> to bring the maintenance folk running.

but that's what makes it such fun!   [and, you also SHOULD be able
to recognize "digital" phone systems by looking...].   This setup
is what I use in emergency cases only.   [only ever had to use
it once thus far...].

On a related topic, what's tyhe status of the (MODEM) terminal farm?
Is it still gonna go away completely?    
-- 
Kent C. Brodie - Sr. Systems Manager		InterNet:  brodie@fps.mcw.edu
Faculty Physicians & Surgeons			uucpNet:   fps.mcw.edu!brodie
Medical College of Wisconsin			MaBellNet: +1 414 266 5080

"Never give money to a preacher who has a better car than you do."  -anonymous
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Info on Alpha Windows
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:59:16 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Apr17.005536.2652@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
> From the Symposia session search utility on DECUServe ($KEY)

The search was done one the word "Alpha"
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Subject: DECUS symposium cluster
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:02:55 GMT

If the manager of the DECUS symposium cluster is reading this:
it would be really nice if, for once, the passwords didn't
expire in 2 days, necessitating changing them twice during
the symposium.  That expiration period isn't necessary.

-- 
This is news.  This is your       |    Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech
brain on news.  Any questions?    |    (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov)


Xref: sparky comp.org.decus:350 comp.sys.dec:2613
From: sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com (Kent Sarff)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: Xwindows for VaxStations 2000
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com
Followup-To: comp.org.decus
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO


In article <1992Apr16.152215.15412@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, redmill@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Keith A. Redmill) writes:

>In our department we have several Vaxstation 2000 machines (running VMS 5.3)
>that should make excellent xwindows terminals.  We talked to our DEC
>salesrep about this and apparently DEC has produced an Xwindows package,
>but he doesn't know anything about it.

>Has anyone installed and used this or other xwindows packages?
>Does decus or some other organization have an xwindows implementation
>  the would run on our hardware?

There is such a product.  It is called EWS and supports on a number of platforms. EWS turns a VAXstation <mumble> (including 2000s) into an X-Terminal by downloading a VAXeln system image (just like DEC terminal servers).  Local disks cannot be used with EWS.  

The only restriction is that the EWS image does not support X-server extentions
for PostScript and Phigs.  There is a shareware PostScript viewer called
GhostScript available which works just fine for displaying PostScript and 
GhostScript files.  I have installed and both products with great success.

If your Sales Rep still cannot find information on this product, have them get
in touch with me.
--
            Kent Sarff
      sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com 
     Digital - Colo. Spgs., CO
Digital is blameless for my rambling
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Definitive list of PDP processors and their differences ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:01:19 GMT

In article <702562807.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes:
>  
> I didn't know he also developed RSX too.  I heard he went to work 
> for Microsoft on Windows/NT.  Interesting what you can learn around 
> here.  

Amazing what you can learn that is not correct! RSX pre-dates Dave Cutler by
quite a bit. He was largely responsible for the "M" implementation of RSX and
was the top designer for VAX/VMS and now is at Microsoft.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: oberman1@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: DECUS Board and Bylaw elections
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)


 The attached is the announcement of results from the recent DECUS Board
Election (US Chapter) and teh proposed amendment to the Bylaws. Thank
you to everyone who voted! The memo is from LDEC -- the committee
responsible for conducting DECUS elections (John Vilandre, chair).

Mr. Bill Brindley
President
DECUS U.S. Chapter

Dear Mr. President:

	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
candidates, in alphabetical order are:

		Mr. Jeff Jalbert
		Mr. Dave Johnson
		Ms. Emily Kitchen

	In addition, the voters have approved amending the bylaws of the 
U.S. Chapter to replace the former mission statement with the one on the 
ballot.
From: rand@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS Board and Bylaw elections
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:49:40 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

In article <69874@ut-emx.uucp>, mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox) writes:
> 	The auditing firm of King and McNamara has reported the results of 
> the 1992 voting for Directors of the DECUS U.S. Chapter Board. The winning 
> candidates, in alphabetical order are:
> 
> 		Mr. Jeff Jalbert
> 		Mr. Dave Johnson
> 		Ms. Emily Kitchen
> 
> 	In addition, the voters have approved amending the bylaws of the 
> U.S. Chapter to replace the former mission statement with the one on the 
> ballot.

Was there a numeric tally posted. The pessimist in me would like to
know the relative dissatisfaction of the membership with the above
candidates and resolution.

Rand P. Hall, System Janitor, Merrimack College, North Andover, Massachusetts
Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec
From: petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp)
Subject: Re: Xwindows for VaxStations 2000
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:58:18 GMT

redmill@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Keith A. Redmill) writes:

>In our department we have several Vaxstation 2000 machines (running VMS 5.3)
>that should make excellent xwindows terminals.  We talked to our DEC
>salesrep about this and apparently DEC has produced an Xwindows package,
>but he doesn't know anything about it.

>Has anyone installed and used this or other xwindows packages?
>Does decus or some other organization have an xwindows implementation
>  the would run on our hardware?

No problem, MIT X11 supports the vax2000 video.
I don't know if there is any problem with VMS, but on
Ultrix (4.1) i have an MIT X11 server working just fine.
If all you want to do with it is converting it to an
X-terminal then Ultrix should fit on a RD53.
There may be a problem with the screen saver using
an unsupported framebuffer feature on very old hardware,
but i've done the necessary source changes. (and only faint memory
where they reside...) Anyway, if you decide to build your X11 and 
get trouble with this, i think i can help you out.

 - Peter -


--
Peter Averkamp,                      | email:
Physics Department E20               | petav@radon.e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de
Techn. Univ. of Munich               | Phone: ++49 (89) 3209-2408
D-8046 Garching, Germany             | Fax:   ++49 (89) 3209-2338
From: johnk@palouse.Berkeley.EDU (John Kihn)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Info on Alpha Windows
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:07:31 GMT
Reply-To: johnk@palouse.Berkeley.EDU (John Kihn)
Organization: Tektronix

I am looking for information on what session will be presented at DECUS in the spring. 
In paticular I was wondering if there was going to be any information presented on
AlphaWindows and DEC's direction in that area. Any information would be greatly 
appreciated.
Thanks,
John
-----
John D. Kihn (johnk@orca.wv.tek.com)
From: ctp@cs.utexas.edu (Clyde T. Poole)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: DECUS symposium cluster
Date: 16 Apr 1992 18:20:48 -0500
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: gobi.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr16.180255.5558@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>If the manager of the DECUS symposium cluster is reading this:
>it would be really nice if, for once, the passwords didn't
>expire in 2 days, necessitating changing them twice during
>the symposium.  That expiration period isn't necessary.

Peter,

He isn't listening but I am.  I will see that the appropriate people
see this message.

ctp
-----
Clyde T. Poole - Technical Coordinator, Facilities and Equipment (in real life)
 DECUS U. S. Chapter, MC Vice-Chair and Member of the BoD (in my spare time)
Univ. of Texas at Austin        Internet: ctp@cs.utexas.edu  DCS:  POOLE
Dept. of Computer Sciences      UUCP: {uunet,harvard}!cs.utexas.edu!ctp
Taylor Hall 2.124               BITNET: ctp@UTXVMS  SPAN: UTSPAN::UTADNX::CTP
Austin, TX  78712-1188          VOICE: (512) 471-9551  FAX: (512) 471-0548


From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: The Dec-20
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 04:02:02 -0500

 > From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
 > Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
 > Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208
 >
 > In article <1992Mar11.184149.16362@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.c
 > om (Larry Snyder) writes:
 >>
 >> When I said I disagreed with the statement that the DECSYSTEM-20 was  
 >> an improved DECsystem-10, I was talking about 2 levels:
 >>
 >   But in my personal opinion, the DEC-20 had the nicest command
 >   line interface of any system that I have ever used....
 >
 
Compuserve runs on DEC 10s and I've used DEC 10s.  The CLI is lousy.
The 20 does very nice.  I had the opportunity to work on one for three 
weeks.  If windowing hadn't come around, THAT was the standard to 
write CLIs for!  The CLI for the DEC-20 was totally stolen by Kermit.
Nobody has ever, in my not-so-humble opinion, ever developed a command 
line interface that was even close to the power and ease of use of 
the DECsystem 20.  


From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Definitive list of PDP processors and their differences ?
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 03:44:07 -0500

 > From: mccrohan@salthl.enet.dec.com ()
 > Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
 > Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
 > Reply-To: mccrohan@salthl.enet.dec.com ()


 > RSX is a multitasking OS. Author of RSX developed VMS and
 > is now working with another party, involved in a major project  
 > for them.
 
I didn't know he also developed RSX too.  I heard he went to work 
for Microsoft on Windows/NT.  Interesting what you can learn around 
here.
From: allebrandi@inland.com (Tom Allebrandi)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: The Dec-20
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:31:56 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Apr6.080457.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>, oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:
> In article <702562807.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes:
>> Compuserve runs on DEC 10s and I've used DEC 10s.  The CLI is lousy....
> 
> I think you might be confusing hardware with software. The wonderful CLI was in
> the TOPS-20 OS.

Also, as I recall, while it is true that Compuserve is based on DEC
10's, the operating system is pretty close to custom. It is not a
standard TOPS-10/TOPS-20/Tenex/Twenex.

A number of years ago, I was talking to some people who were going to
work very closely with Compuserve in porting their games from Unix to
Compuserve. Having TOPS-10 experience, I offered my services and was
told that the Compuserve environment was so heavily modified that my
experience didn't count.


As an aside, we VMSers got the 39.39 character filenames and a few
other things from TOPS-20, now if they'd just bring over command
completion and inline prompting we'd be set :-)

--- Tom
Tom Allebrandi             | Mail guru   - DECUS UUCP Development Team
Inland Steel Research Labs | Chairperson - VMSnet Working Group, DECUS VAX SIG
East Chicago, IN           | Internet:  allebrandi@inland.com
219 399 6306               | UUCP:      ...!uunet!inland!allebrandi
                           | DECUServe: allebrandi
From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Mumps vs. Basic
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 03:36:23 -0500

 > From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
 >
 > (Geoff Collyer) writes:
 > >> MUMPS was developed by Mass Gen Hosp and widely used for a variety
 > >>         of applications. MUMPS is botha a database and a language.
 > >The language is an extended BASIC, as I recall.



 > MUMPS has absolutely nothing to do with BASIC. In fact
 > would probably not be seen in the same room with BASIC.
 
I couldn't have said it better myself.
From: allebrandi@inland.com (Tom Allebrandi)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Atlanta Symposium - hotel descriptions from last year?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:22:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: inland.1992Apr9.082205.1917
Distribution: usa
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Mar26.162952.22175@verdix.com>, esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon) writes:
> 
> I just got my registration information for the Spring 92 Atlanta Symposium.
> The hotel descriptions don't contain the information about which hotels have
> modem-friendly rooms...

As I recall, the desk phones in the Hilton have built into the phone 
an extra RJ-11 jack into which you can plug a modem. After the troubles
with using the terminal room in New Orleans two years ago, last year I
took a portable terminal and a modem and made my modem calls from my
room.

--- Tom
Tom Allebrandi             | Mail guru   - DECUS UUCP Development Team
Inland Steel Research Labs | Chairperson - VMSnet Working Group, DECUS VAX SIG
East Chicago, IN           | Internet:  allebrandi@inland.com
219 399 6306               | UUCP:      ...!uunet!inland!allebrandi
                           | DECUServe: allebrandi
From: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: When's the next DECUS symposium?  (also ramblings on Dexpo)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:15:05 GMT
Reply-To: mknox@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Margaret Knox)

I have responded via email to him on how to get symposium info. This
year's spring symp is in Atlanta, 4MAY-8MAY. Seminars will be just
before it (2MAY-3MAY) and there is a special Alpha seminar this year.

He also commented on the rumor proposal in the trade press ---
On the front page of Digital Review -- DECUS proposal to do own trade show:

* you probably noticed that no one was quoted in that article!

* it was probably not obvious but they did use the word proposal

As a member of the Board (US), let me say that no formal action on ANY
trade show proposal has been taken. DECUS is always looking at new ways
to do old things and new ways to do new things. The Management Council
does have two task forces looking at trade show proposals. One trade rag
highlighted one  proposal several weeks ago (I think that rumor was
titled DECUS and DEXPO to Merge) and now DR is highlighting another
rumored proposal.

The most important issues to me, in the subject of colocated trade
shows, are preserving the culture of the DECUS symposium (in other words
hurting the technical forum) and providing improved services to
attendees. When and if a trade show proposal is made to the Board by the
Management Council, those are the issues upon which  I will make my decision.

Marg Knox
US Chapter Board, DECUS
_________
In article <1992Apr9.032909.4930@cs.odu.edu>, aiko@news.cs.odu.edu (John
K Hayes) writes:
|>
|>
|>Can anyone tell me when and where the next DECUS symposium is?  I am hoping
|>to get my company to foot the bill and send me.  I read today in Digital
|>Review that there will be a Dexpo trade show in Atlanta this coming May 5-7.
|>There was also a front-page article about how DECUS wants to create their
|>own trade show to go on along with next year's symposium (in May '93)
|>in conflict with the next Dexpo trade show.  This has apparently been
|>approved.  From the look of the ad for this year's Dexpo show, DECUS may be
|>right in saying their own show would be of better quality.  Apparently, Dexpo
|>had hoped to join with the DECUS symposia in providing a trade show portion.
|>
|>I'm not sure I could get my company to send me to the Dexpo show this May;
|>the DECUS symposia would be a lot easier to sell.  I hope I haven't missed
|>it this year.  Anyone know?
|>
|>John Hayes
|>aiko@cs.odu.edu
|>ADP Systems Manager
|>Raytheon EMC
|>-- 
|>    ---{john hayes}  Old Dominion University; Norfolk, Virginia USA
|>                     internet: aiko@cs.odu.edu
|>                     Work: (804) 858-5061  <Raytheon Service Co.>  
                        
From: Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Mumps
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 03:52:23 -0500

 > From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
 > Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
 > Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
 >
 > long patient studies.
 >
 >> MUMPS was developed by Mass Gen Hosp and widely used for a variety
 >>       of applications. MUMPS is botha a database and a language
 >
 > The language is an extended BASIC, as I recall.

 
No way!  MUMPS has nothing in common with basic.  The command structure 
is different, the philosophy is different, and the way it operates 
is different.  It does have an "immediate" mode where some commands 
are executed when typed, but so does APL for that matter.
 
If you want to claim that MUMPS is an extended Basic, you might as 
well claim that BASIC is an extended ALGOL, since it gets the FOR 
statement for looping, which started with ALGOL.
 
That's an old joke in a way; the constructs a language use show its 
roots.  Languages using DO for looping come from FORTRAN.  Languages 
that use FOR for looping trace back to ALGOL.  Languages that use 
paragraphs trace back to the old "toxic waste" of COBOL.