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Subject: Hack Squats
From: rodgers@brandonu.ca
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:29:15 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada


Question about hack squats -- is it best to go down all the way for each
rep, or is best to stop when your legs are bent at a 90 degree angle?  When
I do them the latter way, I feel like I'm cheating at the movement, but
I seem to feel it more in the hamstrings whereas the full movement works
the quads more.

Opinions?

Val R.
rodgers@brandonu.ca

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:27:18 GMT

In article <g-ay=2#@rpi.edu> cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>In article <14978@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Hey! I thought you were supposed to be in Boston this weekend!

Hey, how about posting info. on what the heck it is you do to
train for armwrestling?   Adam's made all these wild-assed claims (:-) )
about his "technique" and stuff, but where's the beef?  Let the
rest of us get some benefit from this study.  There must be
SOMETHING he knows and can pass on through the net!  C'mon, Adam,
let's get some information exchange here.  I mean, the net is
supposed to be for more than advertisement for the Adam Silver
Publicity Machine!

You can leave out leg-training routines, BTW.  I don't want to 
end up with legs like a pigeon.

:-)  :-)  Seriously, tho', let's hear some info..

GMS
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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Building Arm Size
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:56:00 GMT

All this talk about arm size and maximum curl amounts have got me thinking
about my arm size. Compared to most of the posts I have seen my arms are 
rather small 14 1/2 inches but my curl amount seems to be pretty strong
120 pounds x 6-8 reps. I was wondering if anyone has any advice for building
size other than what I currently do. My arms are very long (37 inch sleeve) and
I have very little body fat (around 5 to 6 percent), I suspect that I may be 
overworking arms but advice will be appreciated. Here is my current arm workout
done 2 times a week.

                  3 sets triceps dips
                  3 sets tricep pulldowns 60/70/80 pounds
                  3 sets single arm tricep extensions 25/30/35 pounds
                  3 sets  single arm hammer curls 40/45/50 pounds
                  3 sets two arm curls 100/110/120 pounds
                  3 sets single arm preacher curls 40/35/30 pounds

I do all exercises for 6 to 8 reps except for preacher curls which I do till
total burn.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com

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From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: wasting my time 
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:35:49 GMT



   I used to be about 200 lb. Got it down to 160 and kept it there by
dieting cycles. I decided that this was no way to live and discovered 
Covert Bailey - since then I have drastically reduced fat in my diet

Breakfast 
2 bananas
Coffee lightened with 1% Milk
Bowl of bran wetted down with lightened coffee  described above
so that I get about 2 oz of milk

2 apples through the morning
lunch - pita breads apple and orange

2 oranges through afternoon (possible with low fat popcorn

dinner - low fat meal
ie unbuttered potato, corn or rice,
chicken breast/skinless

I drink club soda - sometimes flavored

I lift weights 3-4 times a week
Nordic track 5-7 times a week 30-40 minutes

well I my weight holds steady - shoulders getting larger but so is
the gut. I consoled myself with the thought that at least I was
healthier but my blood pressure was taken today and it was 
something over 96 -

feels like I am wasting my time
Should I just give up and have a beer and sarah lee weekend?

I am 44, 5'8 185 lb male

                           Jerry Freedman,Jr
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From: cecchinr@dimaggio.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:53:42 GMT

In article <15033@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>
>Yeah, Ron wasn't too bad.  I have to admit though, most people don't know about
>the sport of armwrestling.  They think that if you use bodyweight or shoulder
>strength that you are cheating. 

I don't think its cheating... I just wish I had the technique down...

> I let Ron use both, and it was quite hard to
>put him down fast, especially considering the position we were in.  We didn't
>have a table to use, but it was fun.  When it came to left hand though, I
>trashed him fast so everyone wouldn't think that Ron actually could have
>beaten me.  :-)

I admit: My left arm is basically a decoration...
(... and I'm left-handed)

>  Sorry, Ron, but don't get me wrong.  Ron's pretty strong.

Hey! These are almost compliments!

>Today, I let a friend of mine here do the same thing.  I gave him some time.
>He then thought he could have beaten me until he had a second match with me.
>I crushed him really fast.  I usually won't do that crap with anyone because
>most people get a tendonitis from it.

And who says that Adam doesn't care about anyone!

>him.  He thought he was giving me a challenge at first.  Sorry Rob.  :-)

Ron
From: jdravk+@cs.cmu.edu (Jeanette Dravk)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat olympians
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:40:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BszCvD.6Gt.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <9208131524.AA00219@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>>From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
>>Why are so many olympic throwers and heavyweight lifters fat?
>>
>i saw it's a little of both. using bodyweight to throw (and lift) definitely
>seems to be an advantage, and being lean is not necessary to reach the goal
>of throwing far.
>
>while i didn't quite master the "slide" in one year, she did (i think
>she competed all 4 yrs). and she used every bit of bodyweight to throw
>the shotput as far as possible. she probably had alot of muscle under-
>neath, but she was *really* fat too.
>


It's not unusual to see some fat in the "field" events such as shotput,
discus and even javelin.  Discus and shotput, while very similar in some
senses do make use of different techniques and different movements in the
body.  However, most of the really useful strength comes from the hips
and lower body.  

When I was in throwing, we spent very little of our time on "aerobic"
work and most of the time on actually throwing and strengthening/weight
lifting with the emphasis on short concentrated bursts of POWER.   You can
see how this sort of regime would do very little to reduce fat and would
instead bulk muscles.

I don't personally think fat is necessary and none of us(on the women's 
throwing team) had much fat although the several of the men did.  I could
probably see how the extra weight of the body might let you put some
extra force behind the shotput, but then, muscles is heavier than fat
so why use fat?

>wonder if i woulda had a shot (pun intended) if i started as a freshman...

As the "runt" on the team who started years after the others, I can
agree with this.  It can takes a long time to build up that kind of
power.



j-



-- 
   "Ha! Mere flesh and blood desires mean *nothing* to Destructo-Kitty!"
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Met-Rx
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:26:33 GMT
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

RICK@ysub.ysu.edu (Rick Marsico) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.205020.17433@walter.bellcore.com>
> dl@thumper.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster) writes:
>  
> >So what is the concept behind the system? Does the product replace regular food?
> >Does it help build mass or just loose fat?
> >Inquiring minds want to know!
> >
> >dan
>  
> Good question.  In the product literature, Met-Rx is claimed to be a meal
> replacement.  On the product container, it says to be used as a food supplement
> only.  I've placed two orders for the stuff and have yet to receive any
> instructions with my shipment.  So I started taking Met-Rx twice a day with
> regular meals.  It made me bigger, right around my gut.  I laid off of it
> for a couple of months and have recently began using what I have left as a
> breakfast meal.
>  
> Rick

When I ordered Met-Rx, I got a big packet full of information on the stuff.  You must be eating too many calories for your size, along with drinking Met-Rx.  Since, it's your major food source, you have to be sure to count your calories and eat well.  It works when used right.
From: shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Keywords: Compromise
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:45:32 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes:
 >In article <1992Aug14.175325.12957@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller) writes:
 >>One thought that I had was why not let
 >>people use whatever drug they want and if
 >>they are found to be using any type of
 >>drug, make the points or time that they
 >>have to achieve much higher than someone
 >>who is clean. I realize that this probably
 >>would not work for all competitive sport
 >>but on some it might. Just a thought.
 >  
 >  I think an even better compromise would be separate divisions, analogous
 >(kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free divi-
 >sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
 >Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
 >division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....                 
 
 And sit and hope that all the 'clean' divisions will have no drug-users, 
and that all the drug-users will just participate in their respective divisions
where they will have no significant advantage over the other competitors? 
The crux of the problem is the availability of foolproof testing methods, 
and without these I dont see how any kind of categorization of sports 
will help. You'll just see everyone competing in the supposedly 'clean'
divisions (oh, some will be in the 'drugged' divisions to make sure 
the medals dont go waste!). 

Srihari

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From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: To EKP Re:  AA-->fat?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:06:47 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Aug11.234651.13107@nrao.edu> lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>What is recommended is lower than what athletes involved in gaining muscle
>mass need.

I don't know how much protein a pregnant, nursing professional football
player needs during summer camp, with full contact workouts and double
daily weight sessions.  But the average American is not an athlete 
gaining muscle mass.  Most athletes aren't gaining muscle mass.
What critiques do you have of the method used to determine protein RDA?
>
>The average american eats lots of meat,
>most of which is probably during two meals a day- lunch and dinner. Your
>body will only digest 20-30g of protein at one meal.

Weren't you asked to substantiate this absurd claim before?  When I
am on the expense account, and wolf down a prime rib at the Angus Barn,
you say 3/4 of it is never digested, just evacuated?  As you note, many of
us eat only 2 protein meals a day, so that *if* no more than 30g was
digested, then we would be shrinking, or the RDA is *higher* than it
needs be.

[If I was trying to put on muscle, I'd be sure to take plenty of
protein.  But don't go preaching it without backing it up.
Isn't there at least one BIG vegetarian out there?]

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:11:40 GMT

In article <15023@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <riskit-170892090125@47.201.0.36> riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes) writes:
>>In article <Aug.14.17.54.09.1992.16113@remus.rutgers.edu>,
>>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) wrote:
>
>>> You might be working your biceps too frequently, or you might not be
>>> going high enough in the reps.  185x3 seems quite strong for someone
>>> with only 15.6" arms.  Do you have short arms (people with shorter
>>> arms, like Adam silver, have a leverage advantage and hence can do
>>> more in certain lifts)?  
>>
>>  No Chris, I don't have sort arms. I have very long arms, also legs. 
>>I figure that's why I do so well with back exercises, whereas chest
>>is relatively week (my max on BP is only 225)
>
>See, Chris, people with long arms have their advantages too.  Generally (not
>always), people with longer arms can do more on back exercises and arm
>exercises.

All else being equal, a longer limb will give you less leverage due to
the working end (e. g., your hand) being a longer distance from the
fulcrum.  Strength is also a function of (aside from muscle fiber
recruitment) the insertion point of the muscle/tendon on the bone.
You may have an insertion point of the muscles that is farther from
the joint in your back muscles and only average for the pecs/tris/etc..

GMS
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From: riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:45:52 GMT

In article <Aug.14.07.00.12.1992.473@remus.rutgers.edu>,
clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) wrote:

> That's great for your bodyweight.  How are your arms doing?  I'm using
> 2" diameter 75-pound dumbbells for my concentration curls now.  I'm
> making progress towards 18" arms and a 50" chest, it looks like
> both are possible goals.

  Excellent Chris. What's you secret? I've been curling 65's and 160 with 
straight bar (multiple sets and reps). Two weeks ago I curled 185 for 3 
reps, yet my arms are still only 15.6". It seems for me, my body 
just doesn't what to grow, well at least in the right way. :-) 
***********************************
riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)

No passion on earth, no love or hate
Is equal to the passion 
to change someone else's code
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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with those carbohydrates
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:55:59 GMT


In a previous article, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu () says:

>Now then, complex carbs are converted to energy slower than simple carbs.  That
>is why you should consume complex carbs rather than simple carbs before your
>workouts; so that you have sustained energy release through your workout.
>hope this was helpful.

	Also, since they are less rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream
from the intestines, your glucose level doesn't go up as rapidly.  If
your glucose level rises too much, your body will start converting the
excess to fat.  Hence, complex carbs are less fattening than simple
carbs.
 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Rollerblades
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:02:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
>Subject: Rollerblades
>
>I have it in mind that I'd like to try roller blading primarily as an
>additional kind of work out and also for recreation. But I don't
>know anything about it. How much should I expect to pay for a
>decent pair of skates? Is there a preferred brand? What kind of
>store should I shop in (e.g. a fitness outlet, general merchandise?
>Is there a difference in selection, price?) What kind of (if any)
>protective gear is recommended (e.g. knee and elbow pads? helmut?
>anything else?) Where's the best place to do it? Do I just find a
>lightly travelled stretch of road?
>
>Is there anything else I should know or look into before investing
>in a pair of blades?
>
>Any advice at all would be appreciated. None of the women I work out
>with seem to know anything about it.
>
 
"Rollerblading", or in-line skating, is a wonderful aerobic exercise.
It is easy on the joints, and lots of fun.  I'll tell you a little,
but I recommend you check out rec.skate and look at the FAQ.  You
can get all the information you want there.
 
If you buy Rollerblades (TM), don't get anything less than Lightnings.
Coolblades or Aeroblades are lighter and have ventilation so they
are very nice if you have more money to spend.  You will be looking
at about $180 for Lightnings, and $220-280 for the others.  Shop
around.
 
There are other good brands than RBs, but they are what I have and
I'm not quite an authority (yet:)).
 
Try bike shops, or skate shops if your area has them.
 
DO NOT skate without wrist guards and knee pads (the plastic covered
ones).  If you will be around cars, you may want a helmet too.  DO
NOT think wrist guards and knee pads are optional -- even GOOD
skaters fall!!!!
 
Learn to stop (that's the trickiest part), and be in control before
tackling any traffic.  Use large, smooth, quiet parking lots, then
move up to other paths, or roads when you are IN CONTROL.  You'll
know when. (hopefully :))  And you are NOT a pedestrian on skates --
they still have the right of way.  You are human-powered transportation
which mean you skate on the right side of the road with the cars,
and obey street laws.  Just a tip.
 
I would recommend finding skates to rent first and trying it out.
Some shops let you rent and then apply the cost to the purchase.
Some even give you a discount on protective gear with your skate
purchase.  Just shop around.
 
It is fun, and terrific aerobic exercise if you really go after it.
You will probably get hooked. :)  I did.  Have fun and skate safely!
 
TAMARA  (Go read rec.skate!!)
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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Nordic Flex Gold, to buy or not to buy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:03:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
Keywords: Nordic Flex Gold

In article <ralphh.714161534@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca> ralphh@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca (Ralph Hand) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with the Nordic Flex Gold 
>machine.  Anything a potential buyer should know.  They say it
>is better than soloflex.  Anyone out there at all. I would hate to
>shell out $1000 on a product with no input.
>
>Any info would be appreciated
>

Nordic has a retail store where I live. I visited their showroom and had
the opportunity to try all their equipment.

The Nordic Flex Gold disappointed me. It's very expensive considering
what little you are getting. Exercises resist your muscles in only
one direction. For example, a military press resists your effort
raising the bar, but not to lower it.

The Trimex is a much nicer machine, among the non-weight stack catagory of
home gyms.

However, a lot depends on your goals. Assuming your goals are
strength training, you'd be far better off in every respect if you
were to purchase a set of free weights and a weight bench. ("Image"
makes a pretty good weight bench.)

I have never experienced a home gym that is superior to free weights
for strength training. Free weights are cheaper, they offer greater
variety in exercises, the results of your training are more noticable,
they are more fun, and so on. Most people reading rec.fitness agree.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.175507.5327@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>In article <18AUG199208445325@zeus.tamu.edu> chaos@zeus.tamu.edu (Kimberly Diane Faircloth) writes:
>>Even though you might not burn a good amount of fat in 20+ minutes,
>>your muscles are producing fat-burning enzymes, that, after a regular,
>>steady schedule of exercise, will aid in utilizing the body fat and 
>>daily consumed fat for energy.  And you don't have to kill yourself
>>exercising to get these results.
>
>This group has been through 2 sessions of this already.
>_Biochemsitry_ (Lehninger, 1975) states that at rest, 85-90% of muscle
>metabolism is of fats.  

For who?  The already fit?  Does Lehninger state that a marathoner
burns the same amount of fat at rest as an obese couch potato?

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: .	and furthermore, B......
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:11:19 GMT


I'm still waiting for you to return the following instructional
videos, which I loaned to you neary 8 MONTHS ago:

-"Llama Riding the Aerobic Way"
-"10 Steps to a Muscular Uvula"
-"Supress the Guilt: the Healthy Person's Guide to 
  Chocolate Consumption"

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar
From: Leigh_MacKay@mindlink.bc.ca (Leigh MacKay)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:21:28 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

There is no such thing as spot reduction.  Think of body fat as fluid in a
vessel.  You can't take fluid from the middle and leave the rest unchanged.


--


---------------------------------------- Leigh_MacKay@mindlink.bc.ca
-------------------------- New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
On the banks of the Fraser River and the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:53:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <riskit-170892090125@47.201.0.36> riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes) writes:
>In article <Aug.14.17.54.09.1992.16113@remus.rutgers.edu>,
>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) wrote:

>> You might be working your biceps too frequently, or you might not be
>> going high enough in the reps.  185x3 seems quite strong for someone
>> with only 15.6" arms.  Do you have short arms (people with shorter
>> arms, like Adam silver, have a leverage advantage and hence can do
>> more in certain lifts)?  
>
>  No Chris, I don't have sort arms. I have very long arms, also legs. 
>I figure that's why I do so well with back exercises, whereas chest
>is relatively week (my max on BP is only 225)

See, Chris, people with long arms have their advantages too.  Generally (not
always), people with longer arms can do more on back exercises and arm
exercises.

							-Adam

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