HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:28:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.173759.3734@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>This is puzzling.  I've heard it before.
>
>All wheels have a multiple of four spokes.
>
>Why isn't the four pronged version [of magnet rings] standard?
>

Dumb remark, of course -- the magnet ring goes on one side only.

Perhaps there should be a prong at 12:00, and

  three prongs at 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 for 32- and 40-spoke wheels

  two prongs at 4:00 and 8:00 for 36-spoke wheels

everybody has to cut off at least two prongs [or at least ignore them if they
happen not to get in the way], but everybody except a 28-spoke-wheel owner [do
these exist?] would use the same part.

-dk

PS: or, you could magnetize the spokes and tell the computer how many there are (;-) 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: oppose bike paths - why?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:12:46 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul27.211437.2266@vicorp.com> chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:
>
>If the government sees bike paths as the solution to getting bicycles
>off the road, this is a problem.  But if bicyclists' concerns are
>effectively represented for regular roads (wider roads with bicycle
>lanes, respect for bicyclists, etc.), then is there any reason to
>oppose bike paths, which give so many novice bikes, pedestrians,
>children, and even regular bicyclists (going a little slower) pleasure
>and respite from the foul-aired fossil fuel hunks of metal always on
>my back?

Argument goes like this:
Bike-path/road intersections are, according to accident statistics, the
most dangerous place to be a cyclist.  Motorists pay little to no attention
to sidewalks and paths, and expect anything on them to be going slow enough
to stop for them.  As a result of this, motorist turning into bike/pedes-
trian is the most common form of motorist-bike/pedestrian accident.

Another common accident is motorist pulls into crosswalk without looking.
Many cyclists are nailed this way each year as well.

Your argument to this is that you already said these paths were made at
the same time as road improvements.  Ok, agreed, but what happens when
an anti-bike politician takes the reigns of power?  "Why, look at all
those beautiful, safe bikepaths!  I don't see any reason cyclists should
use the road when we've provided such useful facilities.  Let's make a
law forbidding cyclists from using the road whenever bike paths are
available".  Never mind that the bike paths are more dangerous, never
mind that they were never intended to be the *only* route for cyclists,
never mind that cycle-commuters weren't ever asked their opinion.

Think it won't happen?  It already has in some places.  I live in a
state that thinks this way (little wonder in the home of the US Auto
industry).  Luckily, our city council is more intelligent.  Our local
ordinance says I *don't* have to use bikepaths.  If it didn't, I'd
be breaking the law every day (I'll break the law before I'll ride a
bike path when a road is available).

Ken
From: steve@enterprise.den.mmc.com (Steve Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: funny stretch pants
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:58:13 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

In article <1992Jul24.133315.9688@den.mmc.com>, sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
|> In article <23JUL199222120733@iago.caltech.edu> lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
|> > In the 'morning briefing' of the sports section of the LA Times of Sunday, 
|> >July 19 is a reprint of some comments by
|> > Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury News.
|> > He discusses the proposed realignment of pro baseball and suggests some other
|> >realignments, one of which is:
|> >
|> > "The Tour de France bicycle race should be realigned onto the Santa Monica
|> >Freeway - during rush hour. We would definitely see how many of those guys
|> 	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >in the funny stretch pants are real men."
|> 
|> Shouldn't be any problem at all.  After all, what's the challenge in
|> outsprinting a car which is moving about 5mph?  Why they still call it
|> "rush hour" is beyond me.  Everyone may _be_ in a rush, but no one's
|> getting anywhere at much of any speed.  Y'know, just once, I love to see
|> some football jock like John Amway, er Elway, ride a stage in _any_ pro
|> bike race.  The results could be quite amusing.
The sad thing is that on the day that Andy Hampsten, a local rider (Boulder),
won one of the hardest stages of the tour; The Denver Post ran three large
pictures on the front of the sports page of John Elway trying to run with
a pulled hamstring during training camp, and a little square in the upper
corner of Andy's torso.  You couldn't hardly tell that he was on a bike.
--
/\		Steve Gilbert
  \		Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
   \/\          steve@xanadu.den.mmc.com
      \___
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From: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster)
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:41 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul25.024833.12021@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
>From the wisdom of the net...
>     "How to Put Your Bike on a Diet (Shed Weight)"
>
>I want to thank everyone for the replies.  There were requests, so I'm
>posting this summary.  The recommendations are ranked in order of popularity.
>In addition, I have indicated how many times each one was recommneded by
>the number in parentheses.
>
>(8) Wheels: Kevlar tires, lighter rims.  Also Wheelsmith spokes, latex tubes
>(5) Seat: Selle Flite Saddle ($70/190 g) or Vetta Lite ($30/240 g)
>(3) Integrated handlebar: (eg Scott AT4) Replaced handle bar/bar end combo,
>                          although installing brake levers & shifters can be
>                          difficult because of the sharp turns in the bar
>(2) Brakes: lighter cantilevers and levers, Diacompe is popular, such as
>            SS5/SS7 levers, 986/987 cantilevers
>(2) Crank
>(2) Pedals: Sakae LowFats (some considers spindle to wear too fast) or
>            Deore DX
>(2) Accessories: Bottle cages, quick releases, tools, pump
>(1) Fork: Ritchey Logic, Tange Switchblade
>(1) Frame: Forget the tweaking, start with a light frame

It would be interesting to see how much all of these upgrades would cost, and
look at how much (or little) weight would be saved.  Anyone have the numbers?


Kurt Bittner          >  "Bureaucracy is a process converting energy into
kbittner@oracle.com   >     solid waste."  - Cort Conley
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:10:27 GMT

blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.155125.8726@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>
>>Maybe the outcome of this will be a little more driver education. I'm sick of
>>cars who think they own the roads and it's their prerogative to crowd
>>bicyclists into the curb.
>
>"cars who think"?  Wow, didn't know they had these yet! :-)  Seriously,
>ever stop to listen to yourself when talking about motorists and crashes?

I haven't forgotten that cars have real, human drivers, and that they are to
blame. I'm just too lazy to type "motorist" instead of "car". 

Hey, I'm so lazy, you're lucky you got a response... :)

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: bridge map
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:33:39 GMT

In article <Jul.21.14.29.33.1992.2701@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
 > I'd like to find out where one can cross the Delaware River
 > with a bicycle, from NJ to PA [and presumably vice versa]
 >
 > This would include any bridges, fords/causeways, and ferries.

Finally I have the appropriate tools together at the same time and
place: Pennsylvania's own SE quadrant biking map (shows which bridges
permit bikes), a PA/NJ road map (to identify what the roads _are_
that cross the bridges), and a terminal.  This covers all but the
northern end of the NJ/PA border.  So, moving north from Delaware:

Road		Bikes?	PA Town		NJ Town		Bridge Name
US 322		NO	Marcus Hook	Bridgeport	Com John Barry
I-76		NO	Philadelphia	Camden		Walt Whitman
US 30		ok	Philadelphia	Camden		Ben Franklin
NJ 90?		NO	Philadelphia	Pennsauken	Betsy Ross
PA 73, NJ 73	ok	Philadelphia	Palmyra		Tacony-Palmyra
PA 413, NJ 541?	ok	Croydon/Bristol	Burlington
I-276, Tpk ext	NO	PA Turnpike	NJ Turnpike
US 1		NO	Morrisville	Trenton		the toll bridge
can't tell	ok?	Morrisville	Trenton		"Trenton Makes"
Lincoln Hwy	ok	Morrisville	Trenton		Calhoun St
I-95		NO	Yardley		Trenton		Scudders Falls
PA 532, NJ 546	ok	Washington Xing	Washington Crossing (see subject line)
PA 179, NJ 518	ok	New Hope	Lambertville
US 202		NO	New Hope	Lambertville
PA 263, NJ 523	ok	Lahaska		Stockton
NJ 12		ok	Uhlerstown	Frenchtown
can't tell	ok	Uppr Black Eddy	Milford
		ok	Riegelsville	Riegelsville
I-78		NO	Glendon		Phillipsburg	not even on bike map!
can't tell	ok	Easton		Phillipsburg
US 22?		NO	Easton		Phillipsburg
can't tell	ok	Richmond	Belvidere

		The rest of this is off my PA bike map, so I'm guessing!

PA 512		ok?	Portland	Columbia
I-80		no?	Stroudsburg
PA 739, NJ 560	ok?	Dingmans Ferry	Layton
US 206		ok?	Milford		Montague
I-84		no?	Matamoras	NJ/NY corner
US 209		ok?	Matamoras	Port Jervis, NY

		There's an earlier follow-up covering this end, so refer to it.

This info is from map reading, not on-the-spot research, with a few
place-name tidbits remembered from when I lived in NJ.  The bridges
I've marked "NO" are clearly marked no-bikes on the PA biking map.
The others are not marked as prohibited.

Proof-reading from a map is even harder than plain text, but I've looked
this over and I hope it's as accurate as my sources.  (This really was
tedious.  I guess that's why we use maps. 8-)  Corrections are welcome.
I don't know why more publishers don't date their maps, but Casey was still
governor when the PA bike map was printed.  The highway map is AAA 1991.
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org	

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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Keywords: Sarcasm, wit
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:42:00 GMT

In article <4606@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>, sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
  
 > |> Your guess is as good as mine, but I will always
 > |> know that July 19, 1992 was a sad day for American cycling. :(
 > 
 > Wait, I read that Andy Hamster (or something like that) just won the
 > stage to Alpe de Huez....  
 > 
 > How about we pick on Andy?  He may be getting too big for his Nikes and
 > need a little tearing down...

The press is doing a great job of tearing him down, by ignoring him.
I was peeved to see more column inches in today's _Boulder Daily Camera_
devoted to Lemond's leaving France than to Hampsten's continued good
performance.  I checked the by-line, thinking it must be a (national)
wire report -- but no, it's a local columnist, who apparently doesn't
know enough or think highly enough of our local boy to give him some
coverage.  *Sigh*

 > Vive Lemond!  Vive Hampsten!

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Summary: Northeast cyclists, do NOT assume the PA bicycling maps are checked!
Keywords: bridge map
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:44:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul24.003339.23998@linus.mitre.org>, bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:
> Finally I have the appropriate tools together at the same time and
> place: Pennsylvania's own SE quadrant biking map (shows which bridges
> permit bikes)

> US 22?		NO	Easton		Phillipsburg

I've never tried this bridge. It has a pedestrian walkway.  Despite my
dislike for the nearby but guarded "Free" bridge, it is more convenient
for me as the East Coast Bike Route is just on the other side.

> 		The rest of this is off my PA bike map, so I'm guessing!

Even if it is on a PA "Bike" map, you may still be guessing. The best bet
in or across PA is to use nationally known routes (like the ECBT) or plan
a very detailed route using the smallest backroads you can find.  For the
most part, the maps themselves follow this strategy.  In some places the
map's suggestions are ridiculous.

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Dura-Ace STI - The story continues
Keywords: STI, Dura-Ace, Shimano
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:42:21 GMT

Okay, I got all of the info I need to make my decision to buy the Dura-Ace  
STI upgrade kit.  Wow.  way cool stuff.  Installation is not terribly  
difficult but time consuming.  Lot's of little peices in plastic bags to  
keep track of.

Here's the problem.  I've got a 57cm frame and when I run the right (rear)  
shift cable from the brake/shift lever through the casings and the posts  
on the frame, I come up about 3 inches short of the rear derailleur.  I  
haven't even trimmed the cable yet! I did trim the casing to get more  
length out of the cable, but trimming it any more will prevent me from  
turning the handlebars (which by the way are at the end of a 13cm stem).  

Anybody ever install STI?  Anybody know if I can get longer shift cables?   
Is this typical or did I do something wrong?

HELP please....


--
Mike Shebanek
Computing and Communications
University of California, Riverside
Riverside, CA.  92521

mikes@velo.ucr.edu
From: waveland@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:40:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <BrnHEv.HwB@cs.dal.ca> silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) writes:

>I've been shopping for a touring bike and all the shop owners tell me
>that the manufacturers have virtually stoped making them.  The only
>models available in any quantity are tight sport frames, hybrids and
>mountain bikes.  Is this what people throughout North America are
>finding?

No.  Rumours of the death of the touring bicycle are greatly    
exaggerated, usually by dealers who aren't interested in carrying
them.  A few manufacturers offer at least one touring model;
those and others may also carry triple-chainring "sport-touring"
models.

I've been hunting for the perfect touring cycle for most of the summer
(I would have purchased already, but wanted to wait for the fall, when
prices have fallen and my savings have risen) and here's what I've
found:

Cannondale makes three tourers:  the top of the line ST1000 and
two somewhat less-lavishly equipped lower priced cousins.

Miyata's touring model this year is the 700GT.  Last year's was
the 1000LT, and it does seem to be stripped down--no more rack,
for example, and no more Shimano Deore.

The 1992 Bridgestone RB-T seems to have sold out, but there
are lots of 91's floating around.  

The Trek 520 is out there, and sold with racks.  

REI, the mail-order and retail camping gear firm, makes a bike          
called the Novara Randonee. 

Bianchi probably makes one too, and as one other poster has pointed
out, they also have a few drop-bar hybrids that bear a vague
resemblance to a touring bike.

-- 
Eric Holeman                  waveland@milton.u.washington.edu

"The number of people who expected Mrs. Hutchinson to win a          
 Bendix washer would amaze you."--Shirley Jackson
From: db@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:26:24 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

Just in case it hasn't been posted yet, here is the address for ESPN:

ESPN 
ESPN Plaza
935 Middle St.
Bristol, CT 06010

It should help to let them know just how much we appreciated their extended 
coverage of the Tour de France, and we might want to mention along the way 
just how much we "appreciated" good old Barry, too (wince, wince!).

-- Dottie B.
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mountain Co-op
Keywords: rain gear
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:16:44 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

In article <1992Jul29.162015.14897@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>I've used MEC for my bike-riding gear, but with only mixed results.
>In particular, my Icefield II rain jacket, while virtually bomb-proof,
>semi-breathable (let's be realistic), and handsome, has a hood far too
>big for riding with any sort of peripheral vision, so one tends to
>have that wet head look.
>
Do you wear a helmet under the hood?

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: mda46419@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael David Adams)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:28:14 EDT
Organization: UIUC Department of Actuarial Science
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Distribution: na
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les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
: Thomas H. Kunich writes:
: .  .  .
: >Later on a motorcycle lobbyist group showed numbers that revealed that
: >ridership was down 40%-60% and that fatalities were actually up from
: >last year. So the California experience has been that the motorcycle
: >industry has been greatly injured and the public safety has actually
: >lost ground.
: 
: Right, this proves that wearing a motorcycle helmet increases your
: chance of dying in an accident.  Never mind that this is undiluted
: bullshit.

Um....it proves no such thing.

Nothing in the first post said just how far fatalities were up, etc.
It could have been that the year previous was just a fairly uneventful
year.  That fatalities were up could just be coincidence.

The interesting statistic I saw was that motorcycle ridership was down
significantly following the mandatory helmet law's issuance.  I think
that's something to make folks think twice about making bicycle helmets
mandatory... if 50% (or even just 10 or 25%) of the people using bicycles
as a form of transportation, rather than just for recreation, stopped
biking, how are they going to get around?  Probably by some other form
of transportation, which will most likely involves some form of air pollution
(eg. cars, busses, ...)
--
Michael Adams (aka StarWatcher)
UIUC Actuarial Science Program
+1 (217) 344-0709, +1 (217) 344-4857
StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (NeXT mail accepted)
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ogg@physics.carleton.ca
Subject: Thanks to Brent for TdeF postings
Organization: Dept. of Physics/CRPP Carleton University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:41:19 GMT

Many thanks to Brent Seales for a *fantastic* job of posting the l'Equipe
articles on the Tour de France.
Brent, for those of us living in bicycle-news-starved N. America, (not to
mention those of us who choose not to have a TV) your reports were the lifeline
to the real world events of the last 3 weeks.

Thanks a bunch,

	Mike

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From: jday@spam.ua.oz (Jemery Day)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TdF: Zulle and Cippolini? - and Indurain.
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:49:19 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1992Jul22.214246.13650@vlsisj.uucp> stevek@bean.uucp (Stephen Kruse) writes:
>In article <BrJ8sM.HBy@scd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>>Has anyone any more information on why Zulle and Cippolini retired?  I caught
>>the end of the Channel 4 programme last night, where Phil Liggett was saying
>>Zulle had been retired because he was too young.
>
>Zulle's TdF ended as planned at the rest day in Dole. He is only
>22 or 23 and his ONCE coach did not want to burn him out. Indurain
>did exactly the same thing when he was a neo-pro in the 85 (?) TdF.

What was Indurain's cycling career like prior to 1991. Can anybody who knows
post a summary of his achievements prior to his first Tour win? Riders like
Delgado, Fignon, Roche, Kelly, LeMond and Phil Anderson (if you live in
Australia) seem to have been around for a while, but I can't remember having
heard of Indurain prior to 1991. (Mind you it isn't particularly easy to follow
European cycling in Australia!)

And how about the same for Bugno and Chiapucci?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar)
Subject: Shivering while bicycling
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:32:48 GMT


Does anybody know what causes shivering during bicycle rides, and how to solve
the problem?  Yesterday, on a bike ride, I started shivering uncontrollably,
and was forced to cut it short.

The ride was my longest of this season (50 mi), though I've had several 35-40
milers with no problems.  I normally have mild shivering after stopping for
a water break, but it goes away in a few minutes.  Other then the shivering, I
felt perfect with *absolutely* no soreness or weariness, so I don't think it
was an early sign of bonking.  The weather was warm (70F).

Any suggestions?
-- 
---
Subash Shankar                Honeywell Systems & Research Center MN65-2100
voice: (612) 782 7558         3660 Technology Dr., Minneapolis, MN 55418
sshankar@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu or shankar@src.honeywell.com
From: wolf@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Tom Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Derailleurs (braze-on) for triple cranks
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:53:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: oucsace.1992Jul30.205304.11821
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


    Has anyone found a front derailleurthat works for triples
and also fits on a bicycle with a braze-on attachment.
(Most bicycles with a braze-on for the front derailleur
are racing bikes and so the derailleurs made for them
generally are doubles).

     A mechanic built a derailleur for me from 2 others.
I have some problems when oin the large chain ring:
    1)rubbing
    2)When there is a lot of tourque, the derailleur moves.
If anyone has had success with this combination, please let
me know (preferably by e-mail than a rec.bic posting).
Thanks
Tom
          address:  wolf@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
.
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