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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: SMG-60 and other things
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:30:32 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello Albert!

 >> cool.  Things like specialized camo, load-bearing equipment,
 >> add-on scopes, things like that.  So, what is the most useless

 AW> Specialized camo?  If you play on the same field a lot, it might help to
 AW> at least, get camo that matches the terrain.  I'm too cheap to buy two set
 AW> of the camo, one for trees and one for the dry shrublands common in
 AW> California.  But then again, I'm not a sniper...

I use standard cammies for the redwoods but a lot of people are also using the Real Tree cammies, they're very popular, and for playing outdoors, being a sniper has nothing to do with it.  I love to play against people who wear other
 than cammies because they are so easy to spot.  I on the other hand can lay there until you walk right up on me and I get to whisper my favorite words "Surrender!"  I love the look on people's faces.....

 AW> Add-on scopes may be useful for the sniper...plus it's nice to be able to
 AW> look into said scope to find out that the dark outline next to the tree
 AW> stump is really anoteher tree stump. ^_^

Agreed, I got a chance to play with a friends dot scope a couple weeks ago and
even though I am not a sniper, it helped in discerning whether that was really
a bush or an opponent.  Also, it helped in taking out a couple guys who I may
not have been able to hit without it because I would have had to walk the balls
in on them and they would have hidden better.  Nothing better than seeing a
boot hanging out and being able to get it with one shot, the dot scopes are
very accurate if set correctly.


Todd

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From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Looking for players/fields in AL/GA region.
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:17:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Aug25.161720.3256


 I've noticed a few postings from the Alabama/Georgia area.  I play with some
pretty good groups and teams in the Auburn, AL and Columbus, GA area.  We are
not afraid of road trips and have played in some of the regional tournaments
and several 24 hour games in Ocala, FL.  If you are in the region, please
contact me or post here.  We are always interested in playing new fields and
will gladly hose (oops, I mean host) you at the fields in our local area. 
There are night games here about every other month, an urban warfare field and
even a weekend campout game on a large lake with canoes for water manuvers and
night sneak attacks.  On a good day we can field 50+ players, and 20+ on
average.
 We will probably send a group to the next (Oct?) 24 hour game in Ocala, FL. 
If you are going or are interested, let me know.  We usally have one of the
larger groups to attend and will accommodate more (strength in numbers).  BTW in
the last APG I saw, the was an article about their last 24 hour game.  We were
there, in fact the photo of the larger tent with the player walking by was one
of our tents and I car-pooled with that player.

almost famous, Walt Edwards   
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From: wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.)
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:34:00 GMT

>>Ok, I have a design that would ONLY be good for site defense, but would outdo
>>even this monstrosity.  ;)
>>**Warning, ASCII graphics follow...
>>
>>              |   Big  |
>>              | P-ball |
>>              | hopper |
>>               \      /
>>                 \  /
>>                  ||
>> =================##===@ hook a gas-driven air compressor up here
>>
>>Attach some kind of swivel mount, and you have a quantized squirt gun!  ;)
>>No moving parts (outside of the compressor, of course), relatively simple
>>velocity control (just change the chamber pressure), and a truly daunting
>>volume of paint.  Whaddya think?  (btw, patent pending...  ;)

Ready for this? I've heard rumors that Tippman has come up with something
like this. It's got a hopper that holds either a half case or full case of ammo
and it's spindle mounted, or perhaps a tripod. It's not as simple as the
above design (which probably wouldn't work...no offense) and is supposed
to make its debut at the Michigan Big Game this year...remember though, that
this is vaporware and my source isn't the most reliable.

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From: thompson@cuug.ab.ca (Bruce Thompson 272-1800(w) or 229-3370(h))
Subject: Battle of '92 at Tactical Adventure Games, Red Deer, Alberta
Summary: The Battle of Alberta continues
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:21:10 GMT

Hi.
	Saturday August 15th was the 1992 version of the annual
Marathon Game at Tactical Adventure Games in Red Deer, Alberta. It was
also my first `Big Game'. I've lurked on this newsgroup for quite some
time, and I've seen all the debate about semis, painting up the
countryside, cheating, etc. and I have to say that I went into this
game with a little trepidation.

	The day started off well, Bruce (the field owner) gave a great
speech outlining the rules and regs for the game, and particularly the
zero tolerance policy for cheating and/or unsportsmanlike conduct. So
far as I know, no one found it necessary to cheat. One interesting
note was that the maximum allowed muzzle velocity for the day was 285,
_not_ 300. Though there was some grumbling early on, no one seemed to
notice during the day.

	The biggest problem of the day was the heat. It was _damned_
hot. No one had any major problems with the heat, though around 20
people needed to be told that they were showing the first signs of
heat exhaustion (including myself).

	Around 150 players took the field, along with a group of about
20 renegades who would tag anybody. There was also the tracked
"Nodwell" complete with an invincible crew of renegades including a
converted 50 caliber machine-gun. Anne (of Renegade Legion) had a
great time with that!

	The game was North vs. South, with three major objectives to
be held and several minor ones. The teams were fairly even, although
the North team had clearly superior organization and tactics. The
South team for the most part split into squads who worked at various
objectives without any overall plan. Suffice to say we lost.

	The really interesting thing for me was that there was ample
opportunity for me to play my kind of game, using stealth and sniping
instead of just hosing down the field. Granted there was plenty of
hosing for those that wanted it.

	All in all, it was an excellent say on an excellent field. A
field that unfortunately will be moving at the end of the year as part
of it is turned into a Tornado Trap, I mean trailer park.

	Cheers,
	Bruce.

P.S.: Incidentally, if you are ever in the Calgary area, check out
      Paintball Adventures near Bragg Creek, more later.
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From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources (and silencers?)
Organization: Headland Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:22:43 GMT

in an article Steve Deemer   writes:
>  It doesn't matter that you don't 
>have a firearm, or even if your particular silencer will attach
>to a firearm at all.

    Does this mean that my pillow is illegal?  It's useable as a
firearm sound supression device.
    inquiring minds (and all that:).
        -Rich-

P.S. I couldn't resist asking.  I've been reading about silencers for
     paintguns and the pros/cons for years.  By the way according to
     advertisements in Paint Ball magazines silencers from TASO are
     now sold in calif.
           -R-

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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:35:19 GMT

In article <7540@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.162138.21888@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>Switching to contacts isn't a practical
>>solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(
>>
>>-- 
>>HenryC@Panix.Com
>
>	You sure about that?  I have mild astigmatism yet wear contacts.  
>They correct as well as the glasses I must somtimes wear (problems with an
>eyelid)
>
I have incredibly bad astigmatism yet I have worn contacts every day 
for the last seventeen years.  Rigid contacts can easily correct for
this.  The cheap, off-the-shelf soft contacts that you get from
the low cost eye shops unfortunately cannot.  There is a more expensive
soft contact of some kind of asymetric design that will correct for
astigmatism in most cases, but they ain't cheap.

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com

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From: richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg)
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Keywords: paintball
Organization: Headland Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:56:12 GMT

in an article jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) 
writes about a gattling style paintball gun:
>fire 10 balls / shot and would thus require a much lower
>ROF. The tubes/ammo belt would be held in backpack and

    This sounds very good but wouldn't the mass of 9 balls in front
of the 10th ball cause it to break when hit by the CO2?  I have
seen many paintball guns that would break both balls if you 
get 2 in the chamber. (I think it was 2,  maybe it was 1 and 1/2 :).

    -Rich-
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From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:17:12 EDT

In article <7542@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>	This brings me back to my original question: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
>SMG-60?  And it corralary: Are there any other full auto paintguns on the
>market?

   I think that the idea is that an SMG is for the most part useless as it
can only shoot it's 20 round clip and afterwhich you have to reload....  If
I'm right, the old SMGs use to shoot 10 balls a second, and now an Automag
with a powerfeed can shoot 9 balls a second... Not much of a difference...
You can also stick a big feeder onto your Automag too, so you can reload at
your leisure pretty much...  I'd prefer a good semi to a full auto anyday...

 - Andre

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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:01:48 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Friday August 28 1992 03:43, Henry Chan wrote to All:

 HC> Does this mean there is a stable gateway for rec.sport.paintball to
 HC> fido-net? Is rec.sport.paintball, and alt.sport.paintball as well, being
 HC> relayed to fido-net?

Yes. 1:143/8@fidonet.org, aka kennel.fidonet.org, is a longstanding Usenet
and internet gateway to fidonet.org. I am gating rec.sport.paintball into
FidoNet echomail for one downstream machine at the moment. Not
alt.sport.paintball, turned it off. :-)

John

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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Silencers and PB guns, revisited
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:38:15 GMT


Ok.  I'm going to have to stand corrected on this one.  I contacted Jeff
Descheemaeker, of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (Firearms
Technology division ).  
He states that although paintball guns are not classified as firearms, and
therefore do not fall under their jurisdiction, silencers for them do
since they could readily be used on a real gun.  Paintball silencers are
legal, PROVIDED THAT the manufacturer has sent the silencer to the BATF
for testing and certification and it has passed, AND the purchase of the
silencer has been approved by the BATF, AND there is a $200.00 transfer
fee.  The last is the sticky part- it doesn't make it worth it to own a
silencer...  There have been a number of submitted PB silencers that have
not been approved as silencers, and are thereby legal to own with no
problem, but that's because they did not function as a silencer and are
again not worth owning.  Even any home-made silencer, provided it works,
is classified as a silencer for a real gun and is therefore illegal.
I guess that ends this thread... :-)
Thanks to Jeff for being patient with my questions...
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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources (and silencers?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:58:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Sep2.165859.16462
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Rich, if you use your pillow *as* a silencer, then it is indeed illegal. 
Apparently an old trick was to put a rubber baby bottle nipple over the
end of a .22 rifle.  By themselves, the nipples are legal.  In this
capacity, however, they are most definitely not.

If anyone else has questions, call the BATF at 1-202-927-7777.  I talked
to Jeff Descheemaeker, in the Firearms Technology Division.
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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Clarifications with Apologies
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:29:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.144803.26413@sbctri.sbc.com> mas@sbctri.tri.sbc.com (Marc A. Sullivan) writes:
>In an ambush situation I generally shoot from about 15 yards and I only 
>fire one shot.  I've had too many Rambos spin around blasting at point 
>blank range to risk giving them a surrender option.

This is especially true for semi-auto players.  Asking someone with
a semi to surrender is very high-risk.  You're better off painting them
as quickly as possible.  Or, in my own experience, you shoot them a
couple of times, then you duck a hail of twenty or thirty return shots 
while yelling "Check yourself!"

After playing Big Game III, I've decided that semi-auto users pretty
much don't qualify for the surrender option under any circumstances.

Steven Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com


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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:42:44 GMT

In article <rotheroe.714838890@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>>>Also I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>>>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>>>sound absorbing stuff in between.
>
>>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
>>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
>>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
>>the two tubes together by friction.
>
>Of course, you've just broken a Federal Firarm Law, which has some pretty
>severe penalties.  All firearm sound supression devices must be approved
>by the BAT, including paintball gun ones.  While I wouldn't worry about
>it too much, if you did happen to get stopped by the lower 1% of the police
>force on the way home and your car was searched, there's a small probability
>you might have to explain yourself.  Of course with some top quality ones
>running $12-$16, you can probably by a lighter, more durable, better looking
>one for far less than the combination of parts and time.
>

No kidding.  If you need a silencer, buy one from a commercial vendor.
Don't build one yourself.  All the good silencer designs are patented
for use with firearms, building one is legally the same as building a
machinegun.  That's a 10 year and/or $100,000 fine per device.  Telling
the Feds "But it's for a paintball gun!" isn't going to make much of 
an impression.  If you get close to a patented design with your
homemade device, you're in violation of Federal law.

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com

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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:18:56 GMT


I've got Vents Predator OTG... I got them precisely because the JT OTG's
would not fit over my glasses...  And the Scott system was too expensive
for what you got.  The Vents also had better field of vision over the
JT's.  I tried all three at once (well, one after the other, actually :-)
before buying the Vents.  And I haven't regretted it.
  My only concern is that the manual says I should replace the faceplate
once a year.  I don't think my local shop sells just plates.  Is this an
obvious money-making scheme, or is there really danger of the faceplace
shattering as it ages?
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From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Subject: A Good Custom Airsmith Shop. 
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:23:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

    I am glad so many people enjoyed my AutoCocker review.
As the weeks go by, I begin to gain a new appreciation
of that west coast attitude (i.e. don't even take the paintball
gun out for the first 6 months so you have time to sort
out the problems.), and continue to perfect the autococker,
hoping desperately that it will become an accurate, reliable
gun someday.

   To put it simply, we're still working the bugs out.

   I am interested in finding a good airshop, capable of doing
customizing work on my AutoCocker. I don't want any fancy
chrome jobs. What I do want is a permanent mechanical solution
for the foregrip/cover that is not secured, and just
about anything that will make the gun more reliable
and accurate.

   I would prefer something on the west coast (I'm closer to
the west coast than most places), but any suggestions
would be most welcome.

   Any suggestions, please (aaghh I can't keep up
the brave front I'm desperate.)

   Thanks in advance!
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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Silencers and PB guns
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.163045.27170@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>
>I talked to a local (Maryland) gunshop yesterday.  Apparently it's up to
>the state whether paintball guns are considered firearms or not.  In
>Maryland, they're not.  In Jersey, they are.  Originally, the Jersey law
>applied only to projectile weapons 50 caliber and under.  Since paintballs
>are 68 caliber, they weren't covered.  As soon as this loophole was
>discovered, however, the law was changed to cover them.  If your state
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>doesn't consider PB guns as firearms, then a homemade silencer is
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>perfectly legal.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[RICHR]
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No, it's not.  If the BATF class a sound suppression device as a
silencer, then it's illegal.  It does not matter if the device
is intended to be attached to a pistol, a paintball gun, or if
it just holds down papers on your desk.  

If you want the real information, don't ask your local gunstore, call
your local ATF office and ask them.  About three years ago in Denver,
a player bought a silencer from a mail-order outfit.  He couldn't
use it at a local field unless he could show that the ATF didn't
consider it a silencer.  He called the ATF, who promptly sent an
agent to his home to examine the device.  The silencer was confiscated
and the maker was arrested for multiple Federal weapons violations, as
well as patent infringement.  (This was a direct copy of the Maxim
silencer).

The intent of the Federal law is to prevent someone from walking
around with a silenced "gangster" firearm.  To do that, it's not
enough to say that silenced firearms are restricted.  Pistols are
legal to own.  Attach a silencer to the pistol and the pistol is
still legal, the pistol/silencer system is not.  If you're walking
around with a pistol in one pocket and a silencer in the other,
the law has to cover that.  If the silencer doesn't happen to
fit that particular pistol, it's still covered by the law.  If
the silencer doesn't happen to fit any firearm ever made, it's
still covered by the law, *because the law defines a silencer
by function and/or design*.  If it's a design that's defined as
a silencer, then it's a silencer.  If it could suppress a 
firearm report, then it's a silencer.

Currently, the paintball industry is playing pretty fast and
loose with the law in regards to this issue.  So play it safe,
buy a silencer from a commercial vendor if you have to have
one.  Worst case, the ATF will go after the manufacturer, not
the individual owners should they take an interest in us.

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com
From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: 24 Aug 92 08:56:27 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I'm new to paintball and I was looking to buy a beginner's gun. I've
cut my choices down to the Tippman Sl-68II and the PMI Trracer. I want
to get your opinions on these two weapons and it might help me make my
decision easier. I want to know is it easy to add on thing to the gun,
accuracy, dependability.

Joey 

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From: harlan@oberon.cs.wisc.edu (Harlan Harris)
Subject: Fields in WI
Summary: Where are they? 
Keywords: field paintball inquiry WI
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: wi
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:58:13 GMT

I recently was introduced to paintball out of state, and am looking for
fields and equipment in southern Wisconsin. I have heard that there's a 
place in the Dells, and possibly as close as Middleton. Any information
on places within an hour or two from Madison would be appreciated.

Thanks much,

 -Harlan Harris