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From: jgm@psyche.cc.deakin.OZ.AU (John Moorfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Finals Venues (was Re: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 03:43:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Comp/Maths - Deakin University
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In article <1992Sep1.101854.8438@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Beanie Boy) writes:
|> sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan) writes:
|> 
|> >The most likely reason for these venue allocations is that Waverley will 
|> >probably be able to accommodate more 'general' supporters (i.e. season 
|> >ticket holders & the public) than the MCG! Most of the MCG will be taken by 
|> >AFL members, corporate execs, etc.
|> 
|> This is true. Tony Peek (AFL communications) said exactly that on 3AW
|> after the WC/CARLTON game.
|> 
|> Matt.

The AFL and the MCC combined couldn't run a chook raffle. Last year the members area was half empty for most games with the rest of the ground packed, and I dare say it will be the same again this year at BOTH venues.

What is the objection to MCC and AFL members having to front up to BASS agencies and reserve tickets like everyone else, and then selling any unused seats to the general public? 

As it stands, most of the MCC and AFL members are supporters of the clubs using Waverly and the MCG, so the other 9 clubs' members are being disadvantaged (not to mention the general public).
 
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From: s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Beanie Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: The Eagles---Premiers 1992
Keywords: Eagles for Champions
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:14:43 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

Sound familiar?
All the Eagles supporters were saying this last year, and look
what happened. If they can't get over the hawks this year, it
will be goodbye until next season.

MF. (CAT ATTACK!, GO CATS!)
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Sadness
Keywords: world
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:55:38 GMT
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	It is sad to have not done the right thing and
		beaten Hawthorn.

	It is even sadder to be forced to barrack for WC
		and then watch them do the right thing.

	I see Jones did OK the other day!
From: sra@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Gurpreet S. Sra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: blues suck
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:34:06 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: sra@latcs2.lat.oz.au


In article <1992Aug26.024412.16211@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> you write:
>Please win this week Melbourne, so that the mighty Blues make the 
>finals.
>
>If that is not possible then it looks like the Blues'll have to win
>a place in the 6 themselves...shouldn't be difficult.
>
>elvis
>
>GO BLUES!
 How does it feel when the mighty pies put the wimpy blues out the finals!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: AFL Ladders after round 23
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:06:29 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <1992Aug24.105010.89859@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>RESULTS FROM ROUND 23
>---------------------
>
>      Adelaide    ( H ) : 24 25 169 defeated
>      Geelong     ( A ) : 11 12  78 by  91 points at Adelaide
>
>      Essendon    ( H ) : 20 19 139 defeated
>      N.Melbourne ( A ) : 10 11  71 by  68 points at MCG
>
>      Brisbane    ( H ) : 19 15 129 defeated
>      Sydney      ( A ) :  9 16  70 by  59 points at Carrara
>
>      Fitzroy     ( H ) : 20 13 133 defeated
>      Richmond    ( A ) : 14 14  98 by  35 points at Princess Pk
>
>      Footscray   ( A ) :  7 11  53 defeated
>      West Coast  ( H ) :  3  5  23 by  30 points at Westn Oval
>
>      Collingwood ( A ) : 15 12 102 defeated
>      Carlton     ( H ) : 12 14  86 by  16 points at Waverley
>
>      St. Kilda   ( A ) :  8 10  58 defeated
>      Melbourne   ( H ) :  6  7  43 by  15 points at MCG
>
>
>AFL LADDER
>----------
>
>        TEAM          P   W  L  D   FOR  AGST     PER PNTS RATIO
>
>      1 West Coast   20  14  5  1  2063  1612   128.0   58  72.5
>      2 Geelong      21  15  6  .  2947  2035   144.8   60  71.4
>      3 Footscray    21  15  6  .  2252  1762   127.8   60  71.4
>      4 Collingwood  21  15  6  .  2085  1829   114.0   60  71.4
>      5 Carlton      21  14  7  .  2275  1987   114.5   56  66.7
>      6 St. Kilda    22  14  8  .  2414  2009   120.2   56  63.6
>        --------------------------------------------------------
>      7 Hawthorn     21  13  8  .  2430  1968   123.5   52  61.9
>      8 Essendon     21  12  9  .  2177  2304    94.5   48  57.1
>      9 Adelaide     21  11 10  .  2237  2198   101.8   44  52.4
>     10 Fitzroy      21   9 12  .  2070  2267    91.3   36  42.9
>     11 Melbourne    21   7 13  1  1952  2238    87.2   30  35.7
>     12 N.Melbourne  21   6 15  .  2139  2440    87.7   24  28.6
>     13 Brisbane     21   4 16  1  1696  2588    65.5   18  21.4
>     14 Richmond     21   4 17  .  2035  2843    71.6   16  19.0
>     15 Sydney       21   3 17  1  1902  2568    74.1   14  16.7
>
> Legend: P = Games played, W = Games won, L = Games lost, D = Games drawn
>         FOR   = Total points scored in all games
>         AGST  = Total points allowed in all games
>         PER   = Percentage = (FOR/AGST)*100
>         PNTS  = 4 Points per win and 2 points per tie
>         RATIO = Percentage of games won = ((W+D/2)/P)*100
>

There is only one round to go, so all teams except St kilda who have the
bye, must have played 21 games.  West Coast are only on 20!

Geoff.
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From: elvis@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (elvis)
Subject: Go Demons, Blues!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:44:12 GMT

Please win this week Melbourne, so that the mighty Blues make the 
finals.

If that is not possible then it looks like the Blues'll have to win
a place in the 6 themselves...shouldn't be difficult.

elvis

GO BLUES!
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From: 10767800@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (SIMON EVANS)
Subject: Re: Up the blues.
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:50:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.071927.25271@Aus.Sun.COM> peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles) writes:
>From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
>Subject: Up the blues.
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:19:27 GMT
>Well, 
>
>I haven't ventured onto this newsgroup in the past, but since it's getting down to that time of the year, "crunchtime", I figure I should try to rattle the cage a little.
>
>Never having lived in Victoria, I do not appreciate how each team is viewed in general by the
>Australian rules community, though I have perceived that the mighty Carlton Blues, are probably the second most hated team behind Collingwood.!!
>
>"Why is this so.?"  as dear departed Julius would have said.
>
>I can only assume that it is due to their proud and successful history, though I am the first to admit, the last decade, has not been one to brag about.
>
>I hear tales that they are the Silverspoons of the competition.?? Is that true, or is it just
>jealousy of lesser successful clubs, who do not know how to harness together a championship
>winning team.???
>
>Either way, from a New South Welshman's point of view, this seasons AFL comp, has been fantastic. What a topsy turvy comp it has been. Nearly every team capable of beating each other on any given day, and here we are at round 22, and there are about 4 di>ferent computations of the Final 6 make-up depending upon results. Of course, it could all become quite academic on Saturday, if Hawthorn lose.
>
>So come on Melbourne, you can do it.!!!
>
>The blues for the flag in 92..
>
>
>
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From: CASPAUF@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: some winners, some losers...
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:55:18 EDT

Re Thomas Jones in your prognostications for the upcoming finals: In your
analysis of the WC v. Haw final you argued that ALL the finals experience of
the 6 challengers was contained in this final (save some for Coll.).  Far be
it from me to let the facts obstruct your 'flow of consciousness' approach to
analysis, but I do happen to recall (even at this distance) that Geelong have
undertaken two full finals campaigns (1989 and 1991) in recent years.  To say
they are bereft of finals experience is just good, old-fashioned CRAP.
 
Regards, Paul.
 
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.australian:914 aus.footy:67
From: smerinofw01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Football Statistics?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:53:59 GMT

Would somebody please send season stats for the regular season, including
kicks, handpasses, marks, tackles, hit outs.  Maybe both team and league top 
tens in each category.

thankyou.

Leonard Nimoy (no relation)

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From: chandran@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Arvind Chandran)
Subject: The Eagles---Premiers 1992
Summary: (Watch out Victoria...Here we come)
Keywords: Eagles for Champions
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:38:54 GMT

To all you Victorian football team supporters (especially Hawthorn, St .Kilda
Footscray, Geelong and Collingwood)...The Eagles are ready and raring to
go...It would be one of the best things in football if the Eagles took
the premiership cup and stuck it right up the Victorian Public and Joan
Kirner

                        Good, Better, Best
                        The Eagles Will Never Rest
                        Until We've Passed the Test
                        And the Flag is in the West 
  
                                   AC

                  
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:56:18 IST
From: Anthony Waller <P85014@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE


Sorry if you see this twice - problems with Machine here...

In article <dacelo.715476214@morgana>, dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac
Nally) says:
>
>The news traffic concerning Carlton's 'unluckiness' is
>all too true. Some of the major points you may wish to
>consider are:
>
>    (1) the Blues played top six clubs 11 times, while
>            the Turkeys (aka Hawks) played just eight

  I'm a St.Kilda supporter but this point here against the Turkeys
(that's a new one for me) is disingenuous.

  While you rightly count Carlton's 11 games against the top 6, you
only count Hawthorn's games within the top 6 and leave out Hawthorn's
2 games against Carlton!  So, in Carlton's 11 games you count the 2
Hawthorn-Carlton games but you don't count them for Hawthorn!  Tricky!

  An analysis of the top 7 teams gives

Carlton      11
Hawthorn     10
West Coast   10
St.Kilda     10
Footscray     9
Collingwood   8
Geelong       8

  which is very interesting when you look at how they all finished on
the ladder!

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From: eda961asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: The Eagles---Premiers 1992
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:18:02 GMT

In article <pete.715243557@marsh>, pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:
> chandran@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Arvind Chandran) writes:
> 
>>To all you Victorian football team supporters (especially Hawthorn, St .Kilda
>>Footscray, Geelong and Collingwood)...The Eagles are ready and raring to
>>go...It would be one of the best things in football if the Eagles took
>>the premiership cup and stuck it right up the Victorian Public and Joan
>>Kirner

Why don't you grow up and realise that there are 15 separate teams in the AFL.

You seem to think that there are only 5 ie. Perth Adelaide Bears Sydney and

VICTORIA.

Well I've got news for you. This is the AFL.

If you want to go on and on about your STATE (rather than your TEAM) then talk
about state-of-origin football.
 
> It would probably fit up joan kirner too.

This I agree with.

Yours Truly,
Anthony.

P.S Carn the WOODSMEN!
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From: 10529810@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DEAN NICLASEN)
Subject: Re: Carlton unlucky?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:34:40 GMT

In article <37555@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
>Subject: Carlton unlucky?
>Date: 1 Sep 92 22:14:52 GMT
>
>
>I see the Blues missed the final six despite winning a very
>creditable 14 games this season.  When was the last time a team has
>has won so many games yet missed the finals?  How often has it
>happened in the history of league football?  
>
>
>I'd venture to say it could not have happened too often since the
>1970's (since the final five was introduced).

>Tom Marvan.

I believe the last time a team won 14 games and still missed the finals was 
in 1971 when there was a final 4.

Dean Niclasen
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Football Statistics?
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep3.105359.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> smerinofw01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Would somebody please send season stats for the regular season, including
>kicks, handpasses, marks, tackles, hit outs.  Maybe both team and league top 
>tens in each category.
>
>thankyou.
>
>Leonard Nimoy (no relation)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No relation, perhaps, but are you him!



Tom Marvan.
From: ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Carlton unlucky?
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:54:02 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <37555@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
> 
> 
> I see the Blues missed the final six despite winning a very
> creditable 14 games this season.  When was the last time a team has
> has won so many games yet missed the finals?  How often has it
> happened in the history of league football?  
> 
> 
> I'd venture to say it could not have happened too often since the
> 1970's (since the final five was introduced).
> 
> 
> It's interesting to ponder the implications of a team with so many
> wins missing out in the final six.  What is the explanation?
> Perhaps Carlton's healthy amount of wins reflects a growing gap
> between the top and lower sides.  Or maybe instead it shows a
> greater parity developing between the highest teams.  After all, the
> Hawks and Saints finished with the same number of wins as Carlton
> (despite each losing to the Blues twice in the season), but
> qualified on percentage.  (The Blues' losses to teams like Fitzroy
> ans Richmond - and, I think North - cost them dearly).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Marvan.



Errrrrr....I could be wrong Tom, but North beat all the teams that finished
below it, and Fitzroy and Carlton...can someone verify that.

Antony

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From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: Richmond avoids wooden spoon
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:43:36 GMT

A news brief for those waking in North America:
Richmond tonight beat the Sydney by 5 or 6 goals to ensure that the Swans
will be wooden spooners for 1992.  If Brisbane lose against Footscray,
they too will finish below the Tigers.
(i.e. the two teams north of Canberra are the worst in the competition at
this point in time -- as if we didn't know).

JR

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From: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles)
Subject: Up the blues.
Reply-To: peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:19:27 GMT

Well, 

I haven't ventured onto this newsgroup in the past, but since it's getting down to that time of the year, "crunchtime", I figure I should try to rattle the cage a little.

Never having lived in Victoria, I do not appreciate how each team is viewed in general by the
Australian rules community, though I have perceived that the mighty Carlton Blues, are probably the second most hated team behind Collingwood.!!

"Why is this so.?"  as dear departed Julius would have said.

I can only assume that it is due to their proud and successful history, though I am the first to admit, the last decade, has not been one to brag about.

I hear tales that they are the Silverspoons of the competition.?? Is that true, or is it just
jealousy of lesser successful clubs, who do not know how to harness together a championship
winning team.???

Either way, from a New South Welshman's point of view, this seasons AFL comp, has been fantastic. What a topsy turvy comp it has been. Nearly every team capable of beating each other on any given day, and here we are at round 22, and there are about 4 different computations of the Final 6 make-up depending upon results. Of course, it could all become quite academic on Saturday, if Hawthorn lose.

So come on Melbourne, you can do it.!!!

The blues for the flag in 92..



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From: edb238asys@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Crows' squad
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:29:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.010026.12798@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar) writes:
> 
> Does anyone out there have a list of the 52 in the Crows' squad? I would
> like to see who they will drop for the November draft.



            - Who bloody cares...........




  Mark Tranter...university of dipshit Melbourne...........
  edb238acot@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au



> 
> Thanks in advance
> Sanjay Mazumdar
> -- 
> Sanjay Mazumdar
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | E-mail    : sanjay@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au                                   |
> | Snail-mail: Dept of Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide |
From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Melbourne's 1993 coach
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:08:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: mulga.9224902.15064
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne

In article <justin.715592454@tasman> justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge) writes:
>I'm just a little surprised that nobody's posted about this already... but
>then again, finals fever IS in the air :-)

	As a North supporter, who cares about finals!!!

>Who do you think should coach Melbourne next year now that Northey has gone?
>More to the point, who do you think WILL coach the Demons?

	As a North supporter, who cares!!! Seriously, it probably doesn't
matter. I believe a coach's role is overrated. If you don't have the players
you can't have a good coaching record. Look at Alan Jeans.

>About 8 games into this season, my dad (a Demons fan of 1000 years) remarked
>while listening to Stan Alves on the radio, "there's Melbourne's next coach."
>I paid little attention to this prediction at the time, but given the events
>of the last day or so, I am inclined to think that Alves is indeed the best
>candidate and I believe the Melbourne admin will think so too.

	I guess we'll find out.

>In similar vein, I also think North Melb should look at getting Tom Hafey
>in there quick smart [now THIS should draw some discussion :-) ]

	No it won't. Schimma (no, I can't spell his name!) will be coach
(now a full-time position) for the next 2 years. Personally I believe if
North don't make the 6 next year, his contract will be terminated early.
I heard that Denis Pagan (former North U-19 coach and current Essendon
reserves coach) was going to be the coach but obviously I was wrong. Let's
see if North can pick up - they have as much talent as any other team in
the league. As for effort and consistency, well....

				Ian



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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Hawks and Cats
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.103815.3342@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
|> Enough of this crap about Hawthorn ! In fifty years or so one side
|> (yes, *one* - Richmond) managed to string together three wins in the finals
|> to win a flag. This year hawthorn will have to win four

	Rubbish.  Essendon twice won the premiership from 4th in the final
	4 system. (which involves 3 wins)
	Other sides have done this as well.
	(3rd or 4th in the final four system always would need 3 wins)

	Where on earth did you get that sort of information from?

	tom

	and never write of Hawthorn. It is a waste of time.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: FIRST ROUND, FFL DRAFT!
Originator: delarocq@c00075-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Sorry for the delay.
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:43:22 GMT




  In the first round, 10 QB's and 6 RB's were drafted.


  Virginia Vigilantes............QB............Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills
  Houston Hurricanes.............QB............Warren Moon, Houston Oilers
  Washington Nationals...........QB............Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins
  Colorado Avalanche.............QB............Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins
  L.A. Rioters...................RB............Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions
  Baton Rouge Black Plague.......RB............Thurman Thomas, Buffalo Bills
  Pittsburgh Meanies.............QB............Randall Cunningham, Phil. Eagles
  Columbus Grim Reapers..........RB............Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys
  Seattle Growlers...............RB............Lorenzo White, Houston Oilers
  Albany Shockwave...............QB............Dave Krieg, Kansas City Chiefs
  Salt Lake Pioneers.............QB............Steve Young, San Fransisco 49ers
  Chicago Skyscrapers............QB............Chris Miller, Atlanta Falcons
  Spokane Transfers..............QB............Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys
  Dallas Texans..................RB............Neal Anderson, Chicago Bears
  Orlando Otters.................QB............John Elway, Denver Broncos
  Austin Argonauts...............RB............Rodney Hampton, New York Giants

  Congratulations to all!

  Darrell
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