HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:23:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


    I like 'MilGam' in korea because it can be peeled off easily.
Apple and pear require a knife.  I thought MilGam is orange.
In US, orange is not easy to remove shell.
It takes 4 years to find(?) tanzerine is similar
as 'MilGam'.  What a great discovery?  Also there are several kinds of oranges.
Thick shell, thin shell, Florida orange and California one.

  Does any body know which kind of orange is used to make 'Orange' juice which
Orange-jok drink in korea ?

I understand both Korean and American side view for this Orange-jok
and Rap music, etc. The exposure to indiviualism(?) or capitalism isn't
long for those in Korea. 
 
      Those who lost money in stock marcket demonstrate in front of
       stock exchange marcket.  They aren't aware that stock marcket is
       somehow similar to 'Go-Stop' game.

      In some sense, Rap music is very similar to 'TaReung' (one traditional
      music genre, example, GakSulRi TaReung : Beggars' Song). Korean like
      TaReung style music , but there aren't much modern song to enjoy.
      This desire is filled with Rap music. Some generation may not like
      it and they will find their favorite.
 
      Government regulate cultural import.  Especially, Japanese culture
      are regulated very much. I can guess two reasons: dislikeness and
      recovery of Korean culture.  This regulation will remove a lot of
      Japanese influences such as language. But Korean use too much 
      English words in daily life. 'Team-Jang Consensus Meeting'
      One Korean gave me his namecard which has one English and the other
      Chinese character sides.  Chinese friend asked me why Korean use
      Chinese for name card.  My explanation is that at least three asian
      country (China, Japan and Korea) can understand the meanings.  I 
      didn't say that some one prefer that way because of authority.

Sometimes I saw very different views in this news group. It could be cutural
or educational background differences.  I hope everybody go extra miles to 
understand others view points which is very strange to you. 

un-sig.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: To Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President" )
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:11:58 GMT

yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder)) writes: 
>> That's the reason why I support DJ for president in spite of his serious
>> flaws.  As an aspect of leadership style, YS is definitely better than DJ.

Definetely??? ha, many people complain that DJ has a very strong charisma. But
simply I don't believe a person without a charisma can be a good leader.
BTW, have you ever worked with a boss who cannot understand what you are saying?


>Brains cannot get along with such kind of person. They will 
>leave. 

You mean smart people love a dumb leader??? I would say those people
who love a dumb leader are wicked, not smart.
King Sejong, Sejo and Jongjo were very smart kings, but I don't think
they didn't have smart people under them. Contrary to that notion,
I can find the best people under them in Chosun.

|Cheers for the baby Korean democracy!
From: bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: CURRENT IOWA KOREAN PRESIDENT ELECTION STOCK?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:42:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) says:

>
>Dear Friends:
>
>    If anyone has the information about the current Iowa stock market
>prices for the Korean presidential elction,  please post it.
>
............
Vote share expected by Iowa election stock market for Korean election
(average of most recent day's trading as of midnight 12/12/92 CST):

          YSK:  37.7 %
          DJK:  35.0 %
          CYC:  18.9 %
          CJP:   1.5 %
   All Others:   3.6 %

.............

Russell Jackson II
bf479@cleveland.freenet.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: MINJJA vs MINJOO
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:06:50 GMT

I just wish that our people is now mature enough
to realize that we should choose by party not by individual.

ok so we have another 5-year MINJJA party gorvernment.
sounds horrible, but let's face it.
if they do right, they will get our full support
if they do wrong, will get severe criticism. 
fair enough?

to judge that, we have to see
what kind of guys with what kind of ideas would be in next cabinet.
just guys who will do anything to keep their previleges? 
if so, they will probably try to do the followings.

 * worst scenario
  A) in politics
	: 1) no local-government election in near future
	  2) they'll change the National Assembley Election Law
	from SO-SUN-GEO-GU to JUNG-SUN-GEO-GU.
	  3) after get enough sits, change the Presidential Law
	to NAE-GAK-CHAK-IM-JAE
	  4) and they will live happily ever after.

  B) in economy
	: 1) no GEUM-YUNG-SIL-MYUNG-JAE (they promised to do it)
	  2) favor of GAEBUL to middle and small company
	  3) open agriculture market 
		(YS promosed to keep it closed or death, 
		some netters said he is THE mr. HONEST, we'll see)


OR, for the god's sake, many new faces with new IDEA in next cabinet.
then opposite of the above scenario would happen.

Let us all keep our eyes on it!

Sincerely

************************************
	Seunghun Lee
	Dept of Physics
	Johns Hopkins Univ.
	Baltimore, MD 21218


anyone who want to mail, pls to 
	e-mail: shl@holger.pha.jhu.edu
not to jhunix.
*************************************


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:22:12 GMT

In article <615@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>[...] Maybe some new artist will study and
>adapt TaReung forms to rap style and we will see something that is
>REALLY interesting.

Why bother adapting 'chang' or 'TaRyeung' into that horrible rap?  Why not
just evolve it by itself?  Gosh, I hate rap.  It is not music because there
is no pitch in it.  It is just beat, deprived of melody and harmony.  For
the same reason, I hated disco because it was just rhythm, without any
harmony.

Just exercising my right to hate a certain kind of "music" (for lack of
better term).

>-Han 

James Choi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jhshin@cc.gatech.edu ()
Subject: 14th pres.election result - 2nd
Reply-To: jhshin@cc.gatech.edu ()
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:14:14 GMT


 total no   : 29,422,658   
 the  voted : 23,949,586  voting rate : 81.4 %
 the opened :    494,316   rate       :  2.1 %

at the time of 92/12/18 21:46 KST 

                               invalid: 9,885(  2.0%)

 cand.  order   no     percent       (graph)

 YS      1    201,149  40.7 ====================
 DJ      2    171,145  34.6 =================
 CY      3     73,746  14.9 =======
 P,CJ    4     29,004   5.9 ===   
 L,BH    7      1,077   0.2 
 K,OS    6      1,965   0.4 
 B,KW    5      6,345   1.3 =

* the final result would be predicted around 2:00 AM in KST 
i.e. 12:00 PM in EST. (assuming the difference between the first and the
 second is more than 5 million). if not, it will take two or three more 
hours to decide te final winner.

-baram

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: ignore - testing (this shouldn't succeed)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:26:50 GMT

Something is not right on nntp_access if this gets posted.
-- 
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu south@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: song@cse.uta.edu (Young-joon Song)
Subject: "want the result of election"
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:54:59 GMT


Hello!
Please. post the processing result about president election.
I cannot access baram.kaist.ac.kr.
Thanks.

Young-Joon Song

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Led Zeppelin (Re: Percussion and rap)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:11:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.023001.23194@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Weren't Led Zepplin bunch of plagerist, who used the melody composed
>by some AfAm blue artist?  I recall hearing about this upon passing
>of the AfAm singer this summer.  Anyone heard this?

Now, this has absolutely nothing to do with Koreans.  But since both you
and I share Korean blood, might as well talk in public. :)

Led Zeppelin's early hit, "whole lotta love" was indeed a copy of an AfAm
blues number.  In fact, many of their early numbers were blues.  However,
just like any other group that dominated a decade did, they grew.  Their
style became truly their own, and you can safely say that every single rock
band that ever existed had some influence from Led Zeppelin.

Most rock fans who "grow out" of it and move onto classical music, even
those who become a player or composer in classical music still maintain
their respect and awe for the main man behind Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page.
Many guitarrists have surpassed his speed and his techniques.  Yet, no one
has his composition, producing skills and his charisma.

Once a rock magazine ran a two issue special of great guitarrists.  First
issue was for the old timers.  And the second was for the new comers.
Jimmy Page was missing and one reader complained.  "Where does Jimmy Page
belong?"  There was one line reply from the editor.

                             "Class of his own."

Of course, you should keep in mind that all these comments are coming from
a person who practically worshiped Jimmy Page in his high school
long-haired-hard-rock-guitarrist-years.  I still have a Gibson Les Paul
Sunburst in my room and I still respect Jimmy Page tremendously.  The more
I learn about music, the more I understand his creativity and depth.

Long live Jimmy Page.

>Andrew/S/H/Kim

Jimmy Choi, as I am known to my closer friends.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.055004.1614@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>
>   Is it true that DJ was nominated for Nobel Prize for peace?
>   I remember during one lecture at Cornell, the professor was
>discussing how Nobel Peace Prize is least respected among others and
>he gave examples of nomination of Kim Dae Joong along with other undeserving
>nominees and winners.
>  If DJ was really nominated, what exactly was he nominated for?

	I don't think anyone knows whether DJ was actually a nominee since
everything is done in secret in selecting a Nobel winner.  But if he was,
it was probably for helping to bring democracy in Korea.  
	Is Nobel Peace Prize the least respected?  It's certainly the
most controversial.  After all, as they say, one man's martyr is another
man's terrorist.  Some cases, people do deserve the Prize, like the
UN Peace Keeping Forces, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King and Bishop
Tutu.  Some other cases, things can ben controversial.  For example,
there was a lot of bruhaha over this year's winner Mechu(sp?).


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Rap music and ice-T (was orange-jok)
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:52:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>
>Independent of artistic merit of rap, wonder whether rap lovers keep in
>perspective ice-T rapping I'll beat you up and kick the Korean shopkeepers' 
>ass if you don't behave etc, only to offer a meek regret later only after 
>Korean liquor store owners set pressure against a liquor manufaturer who was 
>using ice T in advertising.

Ice-T's lyrics would have been offensive if they were sang to any 
music. Never liked his stuff anyway.

If I remember correctly, the Korean liquor store owners got some
compensation from the liquor manufacturer which they gave away
to scholarships for inner-city children. I thought that was a
pretty cool thing at the time.

-Han
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: DJ for President --- 2
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:42:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster) writes:
>of them and let him do great jobs for my country.  Please don't post the 
>messages like "What is the difference among them? They are all the same 
>crooks."  I'm sick and tired of that kind of reaction about the korean 

I think it DOES matter which crook you choose. You want to choose
the least harmful of the crooks, and if possible a crook who will
implement beneficial policies.

I'd be alot more interested in the elections if they allowed absentee
ballots for students studying abroad. Just my 2 cents worth of nit
picking and complaining but do you remember DJ's position on tax
reform(kum-yung-sil-myung-je) several years ago when people were
pushing for it and before YS Kim joined Roh? Correct me if I'm wrong, 
but I remember being pretty disgusted at the way both YS Kim and DJ Kim
were dragging their feet, and then pretended to be angry about the
reform being postponed. 

-Han Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:27:17 GMT


   It seems to me that the most of followups regarding orange-jok
were in the line of "what do you care how they spend their money, it's
their rights." I am not sure whether this was a reaction to 'ethical'
nature of the original posting or everyone is firm believers of
individualism.
   The reason Korean society makes so much issue out of orange-jok
or how rich spends their money is that it represents a major
problem in Korea: an enormous gap between upper and lower classes.
Not many rich people in Korea are from old money. Most people had
to struggle after the War. There are some, due to unstable economy(?)
'overnight riches'. All these lead to attitude of 'money can buy
everything'.  It is extremely difficult for the lower class to move
upward in the present Korean system.  It's only natural that these
people feel angered and frustrated in facing such people like orange-jok.
   I know I am repeating what everyone heard all too many times. I
certainly have not experienced how these people really feel. Only
thing is that no matter how valid the theory is, human feeling
shouldn't be ignored.  Personally I do not believe in kind of 
individualism America is tending towards.  I find unity-oriented
philosophy more sound and  perhapse more functional for today's
societies.
   As for 'rap music' issue, I agree with the rest of followups. (I
thought that Su Taeji group is quite talented: I never liked rap until
I listened to them.  And from what I saw from the interview on tv,
they seem to be smart too)
Because Korea is not middle-class oriented culture and its elitism,
there is very little respect for mainstream.  I doubt that any Korean 
universities will ever have course on Goo bong Su or Su Taeji unlike
Harvard and other universities offering courses on Madona.

Nina Kim
kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Roses, phone cards, and ...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:06:43 GMT

Just an update on the situation with my Ex.  
She decided against continuing our telephone conversations as of yesterday.
She just couldn't understand that one can like someone very much without 
actually wanting a relationship.  Maybe I gave her too much credit.  It is
not my wish to continue it, either, against her will anyway, so that's that.
Nonetherless, it doesn't make me any happy and I am quite distracted by the
incident from studying for my final on Monday.  AAARRRGGGHHH!

So I guess I would have to find someone else to pass along my calling card
number now.  Anyone interested?  For detailed qualification info.  e-mail
me.  Oh, and James, you won't be it so don't bother. :)

Hank, minus a phone pal
***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
HECHON@uwovax.uwo.ca
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Musical theaters are rated R 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:14:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.150306.5414@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
[...]
>at, say, Phantom of the Opera.  Half the music is about sex and I'm sure
>there is a Senator from South Carolina who would like to see the musical
>banned.

Amazing number of broadway musicals talk about sex rather openly.  Words
like f*** and sh** can be found all over the place.  In case of the
Phantom... it was much more subtle and seductive than that.  If there was
any rating system for musical theaters, most of them will get R.

I am sure the one that I am writing will have a lot of implied sex in it as
well.  There is no reason to avoid it specially when my two protagonists
are lovers.

>T. H. Brian Chung

James Choi
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:09:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec13.073336.27064@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang
 Jin-woong) writes:
>"The Korea Herald" as of Dec 13, 1992 reads;
>
>             Lee Jong-chan quits his race to support Chung J.Y.
>
ON-LINE KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, DEC 18.
>From 18:00 Dec 18, right after the finish of poll, to 9:00 Dec 19 (Korean
>Standard Time: GMT+9:00), Reports will be posted to s.c.k on the hourly basis.
>(Remember that this is not an official report of Korean Government. :) )
>Keep running your news reader program.
>
>Liszt from Korea



Thanks a lot about your posting the interesting news.
We will appreciate the on-line news for the Korean presidential
elcection voting.  Your dedication should quench our thirst for
the voting results.


                            Minho Jo, Lehigh University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jksong@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Song Jae Kyung)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Korean BBS telephone number.
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:58:32 GMT

v123ptyu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sungwoo Kim) writes:
: Do any one of you out there who can inform me of Korean BBS number that 
: I can call within Korea?
: If so, please tell me about procedures and precautions as well as
: the system that the BBS supports.
: I appreciate any help there is.
: Please contact me within next five days.
: 
: 		-Sungwoo  

There're two major BBS in Korea, Hitel and PC-Serve.

Hitel's phone number is

157 (anywhere)
700-7000 (areas which dont support 157)
745-2100 (Seoul area)
745-2111 (Seoul area)
762-2112 (Seoul area)
766-2110 (Seoul area)

Modem setup is 2400, 8 bit, no parity.

I can't remeber PC-Serve's phone number now.

Regards,
--

                                   - Jaekyung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Dear Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President )
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.030145.2447@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>
>Who should be a leader of next generation ? Park Chan Jong? Lee Chul?
>This is also one of the most interesting issue for me.  However, unfortunately,
>I'm in Final Exam period now.  So, let's discuss about this to our heart's 
>content during spring break.

	Good idea.  I'm going back to Korea tomorrow, so even if you were
done with your finals, I couldn't write back.  Of course, if everyone
else wishes to discuss this while I'm gone, that's fine, I'll just be a
little peeved that you folks left me out in this most fascinating discussion.

>
-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:20:40 -0500

swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:

>I am also sick and tired that everybody tries to just find fault with
>the other's remark. (to hang down while holding the tale of horse.)
>I need positive, progressive, and aggressive suggestion.

You mean, Pro-DJ propaganda only ?
As the election draws near, wackos must be creeping up.

Jung
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:34:21 GMT


>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>I don't have any official document. 

DJ simply cannot win. His only hope was people are smart enough 
to distinguish what is true and what is such a ridiculous rumor.
Give me the FACT!
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANTERM
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:47:10 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: hanterm

In article <1992Dec17.182452.16821@tellab5.tellabs.com> seong@tellabs.com (Scott Seong) writes:
>
>Thanks for posting 'hanterm' source.  I got the program to compile on SunOS
>4.1 w/ Openwin 3.0.  But I am getting following runtime errors. Could anyone
>help?

 I'm sorry I cannot help you. I'm just writing this to ask for solution to
that problem. I also failed to compile Hanterm under Open Win. I got a few
helps including one from the author of Hanterm ,but none of them worked.
>
>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4.0 has older revision than expected 10
>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4.1 has older revision than expected 10
>ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4.3 has older revision than expected 10
>ld.so: Undefined symbol: ___XA_ATOM_PAIR
>-- 
>Scott Seong
>seong@tellabs.com

   Jungshik Shin


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim@cs.iastate.edu (youngtae kim )
Subject: Re: korean president election 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:14:10 GMT

kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

>for english only user, run  a command "finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr 92


>For hangul screen, type"telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92".

>Those two command show the current result of korean president poll
>                            

>Thanks to kaist student who update the result every minute.


The file of "election" has been updated?
We are waiting the latest data from Korea, so please update it.....

Thanks to the working people in KAIST!
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