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From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Draft 0.1 of HP 95LX FAQ...
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:48:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

Here's a few questions of my own that might turn out to be frequent:

In article <1992Jul23.041350.13386@unixg.ubc.ca> george@unixg.ubc.ca (George chow) writes:
>
>A) I still don't have an answer for this one. I do know that my 512K's
>ROM is dated 04/02/91. At the very least, can everyone please email me
>their ROM revision so that we can have a list. Please include whether
>your 95 is the 512K or the 1M version. (To check your ROM revision,
>just turn off your 95 and hold down the ESC key while powering it up
>again.) As well, there are several revision of the manuals. Can
>everyone just email me their manual revision along with their ROM?

My version is 9/20/91, "1.03A"

>------
>Q) Where do I start if I want to write programs for the 95?
>
>A) Grab the file tools/hp95dev.zip from either FTP site.

Q: Where do I find *documentation*?  Nothing in hp95dev.zip exists to
   document the system calls described in interfac.h.

Q: How do I get the "official" HP developer's kit?

>Q) Where's the cheapest place for a 1 or 2Mb RAM-card?
>
>A) The best price for a 1Mb card so far seems to be EXP Computer
>   (516)496-3703.  As of two months ago, they were working on a 2Mb card.

I saw 4M cards at the recent memory card trade show here in Santa Clara.
I also saw 16M dram cards.  Also: a fax modem!  Also IBM has an experimental
ethernet card!



Other questions:

Q: Anybody else have trouble with DC95?  I can get a 19200 baud
   connection to the filer just fine, but DC95 complains that it's
   still waiting for a connection.  I notice that the baud rate in
   DCS95 changes to 19200 as soon as I start DC95, so there's definately
   a connection.


		-ed falk, sun microsystems
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From: usenet@crd.ge.com (Required for NNTP)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Dynalink or Solectek for 95LX?
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:00:21 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul25.171853.7660@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>Well, I went looking at the HP95LXs today; target application is
>reading mail and news while on the road.  The salesdroid was what
>you would expect, so naturally I have a few questions:
>
>1: I gather that the cable sequence is HP <-> DB9 through the adapter
>cable, then DB9 <-> RS232 through the cable from the connectivity pack.
>Is this right?

    You are almost correct. The DB9 to RS232 adapter that comes with
the Connectivity Pack is made to connect to a PC. You need a different
DB9 to RS232 designed for a modem (swaps 2 and 3) or a NUll Modem adapter
on the end of DB9 to DB25.

>
>2: The store carried two pocket modems: the Dynalink DS92P and Solectek.
>Anybody every use one of these with an HP95?
 
    I use the Worldport 2400, the pne recommended by HP. Note that the
95LX does not provide any of the RS-232 control signals, such as DTR,
and some battery powered modems need these signals to operate. Therefore,
not all battery powered modems will work on the 95LX. Test before you buy!
If you type AT and get an OK from the modem, all is well.

>
>3: Is the built in com function a terminal emulator or will I have to
>run something like Procomm as an application?  If so, do I have to
>spring for a data card?

     The built-in terminal emulator is OK, but not great. It does VT100
emulation, but does not provide a full emulation. For example, the
VT100 function keys are not available. May normal DOS terminal emulation
packages will not work due to a bug in the serial port. I use Columbia
Kermit, Version 2.29a. This is a older version that lacks the Tektronix
terminal emulation available in the newer versions, but does a great job
emulating a VT102 terminal. Allows all VT102 function keys to be emulated.
Using DIET, the program is compressed to about 38K, vs 65K (or so) for
current Kermits. It works in spite of the serial port bug, and it is free.

>4: Is $579 for a 1 meg 95 a high/low/medium price?

I don;t have current price info. Sorry.

Vic Roberts
GE Research and Development Center, Schenectady, NY
roberts@crd.ge.com
From: tonl@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Ton 't Lam CRC)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:58:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Change mem layout programmatically?
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

I mean the 95LX  ... of course.

Ton 't Lam.
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From: greg@octopus.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Subject: Reliability of HP95LX?
Summary: Author has gone through three HP95s in two months
Keywords: keyboard failure, serial port failure
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:19:45 GMT

Can anyone attest to the reliability of the HP95?  I just picked up my
THIRD unit from Service merchandise in 2.5 months.

My first one had the ESC and F1 keys die.  This was about three weeks ago.
I took it back to Service and they replaced it with another.  Yesterday it
too died; wouldn't receive anything through the serial port.  Service
again replaced the unit and everything is working again this afternoon.

I am not abusing the units, never dropped, etc.  The serial port gets used
in my plane (input from navigation units) and it didn't get hit by
lightning or anything.

BTW:  Service, here in Bloomington, has been JUST GREAT.  Their "official"
return policy is 30 days from purchase.  My first one failed 63 days
after purchase and they replaced it no questions.  The second one failed about
70-80 days from (original) purchase and again no questions.

They have all been 1MB units (and, yes, the left side hinge was "loose"
on all of them).

greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: bdahlen@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Robert L. Dahlen - U. of Denver USA=)
Subject: Re: 95lx Connectivity Pack on Netware
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:55:58 GMT

philh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Phil Holden) writes:
>Robert L. Dahlen writes
>> I am trying to use the Connectivity Pack for the HP 95lx on a Novell
>> Netware workstation that does NOT have a physical local hard disk.
>> After typing APP95 and choosing ALT-2 (filer) the machine gives an
>> error message "File Creation Error - Press ESC to continue".  Pressing
>> ESC gives the error message "Run-time error R6003 - Interger Divide by 0".
>
>APP95 seems to only want to look at disc volume C: in the filer.  If you have 
>a floppy drive you could try providing volume C: via a subst command
>    subst c: a:\
>or provide volume C: as a network drive if your network software supports such
>a feature.  

The network drive C: is what crashes.  I tried the SUBST command, but it
doesn't work with the Network drives.  I'm messing with the Netware
MAP ROOT command, but to no avail.  Agh...  How can this be?
Does ANYONE have any other ideas???  I can't use the Conn Pack...

Thanks.

-- 
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From: toddb@mr2.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Sun <--> HP95 (was Re: Reliability of HP95LX?)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 23:59:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mr2

Are you sure your macro used double backslashes?  My macro is below...
works like a charm...

---todd

In article <1992Jul29.155830.15119@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>Also experienced: I use a macro to load in a .DCF file into the comm program and
>then set up kermit the appropriate way to do transfer between my 95 and our 
>Sparcservers. I've had Kermit refuse to perform any transfers at all when using 
>the macro, but when I perform the keystrokes manually, it works perfectly.
>
>All the settings were the same in both cases(I checked to make sure I didn't
>get any weird characters or errors in the macro.
>
>Any clues on either of these would be great...
>---Steve
>Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org

set file type binary
get a:\\bin\\*.exe 
get a:\\bin\\*.com
get a:\\bin\\*.bat
get a:\\bin\\*.lng
get a:\\exm\\*.exm
get a:\\wks\\*.wk1
get c:\\pcx\\*.pcx
get a:\\txt\\*.txt 
get a:\\*.pbk
get a:\\*.abk
get c:\\*.bat
get c:\\bin\\*.exe 
get c:\\bin\\*.com 
get c:\\bin\\*.rc 
get c:\\bin\\*.env 
get c:\\bin\\*.hlp 
get c:\\_dat\\*.txt
get c:\\_dat\\*.lst
get c:\\_dat\\*.cnf
get c:\\_dat\\*.env
get c:\\_dat\\*.dat
get c:\\_dat\\*.fcf
get c:\\_dat\\*.dcf
get c:\\_dat\\*.dat
get c:\\_dat\\*.pcx
finish


--
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"A product manager is a person who has all the responsibility but none of
the power to make a product successful." --Guy Kawasaki, Selling the Dream
From: brian@king.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Typing on palmtops (was Re: Microwriter Chording Patents)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:32:09 GMT

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>This sure is news to me. I find myself doing more and more text pounding on my
>95 as time goes by. The keyboard does require adaptation, but far less than a
>chord keyboard would [...]

I found the Microwriter chord keyboard to be surprisingly easy to learn.
A half hour and you have the alphabet.  A couple of days and you're typing
as fast as you can handwrite.  Seriously, it's quite easy.  I think you'll
also find that it is *much* more comfortable to chord than to try to cram
your fingers into a tiny QWERTY layout.
-- 
-Brian Smithson
 Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division
 2001 Logic Drive, M/S 1-E10, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104
 brian@ca41.csd.mot.com, {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian
From: marco@mothra.rose.hp.com (Marco Gonzalez)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:40:58 GMT
Subject: GRAFI 1.0 for the 95LX binaries
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

In comp.sys.palmtops, <BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

> I've just upgraded my 95lx from 512 to 1meg and reinstalled all my
> utilities. However, I can't get either Jagmenu or menu95 to run. Other
> system manager compliant programs listed in apname.lst run but not either
> of the menu utilities. I can't figure out where the problem is....Any
> suggestions?

I had the same problem with menu95 (haven't tried Jagmenu) and got this
information.  Since I don't have access to the source or build environment,
there's nothing I could do except to get the information to the author (which
I tried to do, but got no answer).  By the way, I've tried to use MC as well,
and while it does come up, it seems to always trash my C: drive after a few
seconds of use.

> The most likely cause is that it was created using the UTIL program which
> creates an .exm from a .exe or .com, and the earlier versions were only given
> a stack of 16 bytes (which is wholely inadequate), but managed to work on the
> old ROMs without trashing anything important, but they stopped working on the
> new ROMs, cause the memory map changed enough to affect something.  Anyway,
> the UTIL folks fixed their program so that a stack of 200 some bytes is now
> generated.  If you haven't downloaded the latest versions, try downloading a
1 new copy and see if works.  (Some of the "loader" programs like this have been
> updated on Compuserve for this fix, and some haven't been.  This one should
> have been by now.)

John
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 17:51:51 EDT
From: <BACKD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject:    Menu95,Jagmenu,Apname.lst problem

I've just upgraded my 95lx from 512 to 1meg and reinstalled all my
utilities. However, I can't get either Jagmenu or menu95 to run. Other
system manager compliant programs listed in apname.lst run but not either
of the menu utilities. I can't figure out where the problem is....Any
suggestions?
When I try the hot key request I get three beeps suggesting that
the program cant be found. From that point on until I reboot, I can't
access any of the other apname listed exm programs.

Don Back
Dept. of Biochemistry
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario CANADA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: warren@cs.stanford.edu (Mark A. Warren)
Subject: Re: Sharp PC 3000  (Educalc stocks them) 
Organization: Stanford, CS Dept.
	<1992Jul28.144241.7520@linus.mitre.org>
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:07:27


In article <1992Jul28.144241.7520@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:

   Yeah, but where can you get one?

Educalc. 1-800-677-7001 8a-5p PST for info, 1-800-535-9650 for orders
only. $869, but out of stock on July 29. Should be more coming in soon.

Mark


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From: jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jonathan Allen)
Subject: Re: Typing on the AgendA
Reply-To: jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:09:23 +0000

In: <41730119@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM> John Diamant wrote:
> In comp.sys.palmtops, jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk
>       (Jonathan Allen) writes:
>
> > But there is one big difference between everone else in the
> > market, HP95 included, which is that YOU CANNOT TYPE on ANY of
> > the others.  It is possible to volume text input using the AgendA,
> > and it still looks reasonable and works.  You _cannot_ do that on
> > a Wizard, an HP, a Psion, the Po'fo', or whatever.
>
> I can type 30-35 words per minute on the HP95LX.  It's not the 65
> to 70 words per minute I type on a full-sized keyboard, but it is
> adequate for volume typing when full sized keyboards aren't
> available.  How fast can you type on the Agenda?

Well, this isn't an official company statement, but the development
team have seen people doing 90 wpm.  Takes some doing, I guess, but
seeing is believing :-)

Jonathan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jonathan Allen)
Subject: Re: Typing on the AgendA
Reply-To: jeremiah@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:48:00 +0000

In: <1992Jul27.130318.23484@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
    Edgar Matias wrote:
> We were thinking of testing the Microwriter's chording scheme here
> at the University of Toronto.  One of the prof's (Bill Buxton) has
> had one for about 10 years.

I am sure that the company would be interested in assisting you in
this sort of program.  Perhaps you would like to email me some details
or put me in touch with said prof ... I can then direct him to the
relevant people in the company.

Jonathan
... working with Microwriter Systems plc
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From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:30:22 GMT
Subject: Re: HP-95 battery vs adapter performance
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

>     Power source:    Boot time   Time to Menu95   Time to Tetris
>     AC adapter        3 secs      3 secs           4 secs
>     NEW batteries    16 secs     15 secs          23 secs
> 
>     Has anyone else experienced this drastic slow-down?
>     Does it indicate a potential failure somewhere in the future!?

It looks like you have something in your startup sequence that puts the
95 into a "light sleep" mode.  That is a go-slow power saving mode that
the system changes to when it thinks the CPU might be spinning in loop
waiting for input.  It only slows down the machine when running from
batteries.

Try commenting out things from you config.sys until you find the culprit.

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: HP95LX or Sharp PC 3000 ? Available in the SF Bay area ?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:42:41 GMT

In article <LAUB.92Jul27174631@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
>>>>>> On 27 Jul 92 14:49:11 GMT, azilker@unixg.ubc.ca (Andreas Zilker) said:
>Andreas> in the very near future :-) I need to buy a palmtop computer
>Andreas> for real work :-) I know the technical specs for the HP & the
>Andreas> Sharp, but up to now I've not yet seen the Sharp in
>Andreas> "reality". Any recommendations ???
>
>Since Sharp announced the PC-3000 in January, I came across several
>people from both Usenet and CompuServe selling their HP to buy Sharp.
>Of course, I also came across people who just left their HP in their
>drawer and switched to the Sharp.

Yeah, but where can you get one?

My take on the current Newton flap:
It sounds great, and the picture of it I've seen are horribly horribly
slick and way cool. But the lack of a keyboard and lack of immediate
cursive recognition have kind of put me off. I just can't block write
with any speed and until it'll recognize my script, or come with a keyboard
attachment, I'll stick to my 95. I can two-finger much faster than I can
block write. The modularity of it and the way its being designed around
the Mac architecture is definitely the way to go though.

---Steve
-- 
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"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: kbc_net@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:23:45 CDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: HP-95 battery vs adapter performance

    While we're on the subject of AC adapters; here are some elapsed
    times on my HP95LX with and without an AC adapter.

    Power source:    Boot time   Time to Menu95   Time to Tetris
    AC adapter        3 secs      3 secs           4 secs
    NEW batteries    16 secs     15 secs          23 secs

    Has anyone else experienced this drastic slow-down?
    Does it indicate a potential failure somewhere in the future!?

...Keith Culley/IBM-FSC
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: 95lx Connectivity Pack on Netware
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:33:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <-192519997@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> philh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Phil Holden) writes:
>Robert L. Dahlen writes
>
>APP95 seems to only want to look at disc volume C: in the filer.  If you have 
>a floppy drive you could try providing volume C: via a subst command
>    subst c: a:\
>or provide volume C: as a network drive if your network software supports such
>a feature.  

APP95 starts out in C:\, true enough, but you can use F5 (goto) to change
directory at will.  I wish APP95 would start out in the current directory,
but at least you can get there.

BTW, I run APP95 on a beta version of SunPC, which emulates a PC completely
in software in a window on my Sun.  Ain't technology amazing.

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell")
Subject: DG users out there??
Keywords: DG
Organization: InterLinx Support Services Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:10:36 GMT

So who all reading this group are DG users??  What are your thoughts??

any postitive ("I have a DG __________ running DG/UX ______) welcome.

brian
-- 
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InterLinx Support Services, Inc.                        uunet!van-bc!ilinx!brian
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
From: chris@tessi.com (Chris Lamb)
Subject: Thanks!  Now a new question...
Summary: Has the 88110 seen first silicon?
Keywords: 88110 ship date
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:58:29 GMT



A big thank you to all the folks who responded with DG AViiON info and
suggestions on where to get more!

But since this is the 88k group, I'm wondering why there isn't much
discussion about the 88110...though I don't check in here that often, it
seems odd that I haven't heard much news about this at all.  So, has the
'110 seen first silicon?  Or is it still months away?  All I read in the
trade rags is that Motorola missed the window, Ford backed out, Apple and
IBM went off to do their thing and the 88K-Mac is dead, etc., etc.  So I'm
left with the feeling that here's another interesting chip that seems to
have some superior qualities to many of the other RISC architectures, and
it's fallen by the wayside.  Or perhaps Moto is going to 'blend' the best
features into the 68060, sort of like Intel's (hisssss) alleged P5 chip...

Since this is a partisan group, I expect this won't revive the religious
wars :-) but I'll be happy to summarize anything I receive about the '110
for those of you who are interested.

Thanks!

-- Chris Lamb, Idealist and Zealot :-)

   chris@tessi.com
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From: pds@lemming.webo.dg.com (Paul D. Smith)
Subject: Re: DG Mailing List now alive
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:56:24 GMT
Organization: NSDD/ONSD, Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

[] Regarding DG Mailing List now alive;
[] brian@ilinx.wimsey.bc.ca (Brian J. Murrell") writes:

    bjm> I have decided, for the time being, that perhaps a DG mailing
    bjm> list is a good idea. I got several replies and have added
    bjm> some names (you know who you are).

Is there some advantage to having a mailing list as apposed to just
using this newsgroup?

I guess I don't know exactly what the charter of this group is, even
though I've been reading it for many months.  Is it for discussion of
the 88k family only, or also for discussion of systems incorporating
the 88k?  About the only posts I see here are about AVs or Motos.

I guess when you start talking about cables used to connect a terminal
you could say it's probable that you're beyond the charter of
comp.sys.m88k :-)

Perhaps we need to ask for comp.sys.aviion and comp.os.dgux?  How does
that sound?  Any takers?

Not that I think you should stop the mailing list as long as people
want it :-)
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