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From: kbg00@cas.org (Ken Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Bundesliga 1, first results
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:29:55 GMT

In article <16h2tbINN4i0@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister) writes:
>Bundesliga 1 started today, friday, August, 14th.
>
>Here are the first results:
>
>   Nuernberg 0 - 0  Bremen
>Kais'lautern 1 - 0  1.FC Koeln
>  Leverkusen 1 - 1  Saarbruecken
>
>By the way, Beckenbauer played for Saarbruecken.
>(Stefan, son of Franz...)
>
Did Eric Wynalda play?? He would be the first *true* american player to play in
a Bundesliga match. (I don't count Tom Dooley of Kaiserslautern or Alex
Stremehl of Stuttgart (he has dual citizenship, but chose his German one to
play in the BL and has played for Germany, but not for the full national
team)). I haven't gotten my Kicker Sonderheft yet and would be interested
in knowing which US players are in the 1 and 2 BL this year.  I know that there
are a few.
			Ken

kbg00@cas.com
VfL 1900 Borussia Moenchengladbach
Deutscher Meister 1993!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:47:13 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <2A8EFB0D.6436@ics.uci.edu>, fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.115932.367@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>>In article <2A8AF9CF.23739@ics.uci.edu>, fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>>>
> <---------------------------alot of stuff deleted----------------------------->
> 
>>> If NewZeland played the same soccer, I would have probably liked theirs
>>> as well.
>>
>>3 - There's no danger of that.
> 
> --> I agree with you that there is no danger of that because this will never
>     ever happen  Thanx for playing.

Congratulations - whilst you may not have Diego's footballing skills you have
demonstrated you can behave as badly!!

Alan
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 16 Aug 1992 08:34:41 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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I have heard that the CIS team are still complaining about the referee who
allowed the Maradona handball in Italy. Especially since that referee
helped Belgium in the 86 WC against them.
OK, the ref is Fredriksson of Sweden, a great disgrace for us.

Kent
From: efsv02@castle.ed.ac.uk (M J Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: THAT NEW FIFA BACKPASS RULE - HOW TO BEAT IT!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:37:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

So, keepers are no longer allowed to handle the ball played back to him
deliberately with the feet by a team-mate.

With a teensy bit of skill, there is a way round this ruling:

A defender, wishing to pass back to his keeper, and with no opposing players
*too* near, can simply chip the ball up with his feet (little bit of skill
required here) and then head/chest the ball to his goalie.
The referee would surely be powerless to do anything about it.

Some player will think of this soon: reports of such an incident taking place
will be appreciated.

Mark Brewer,  Edinburgh
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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:55:25 GMT

In article <2A91DF8B.20361@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>
>Stop posting wrong and misleading information, Francis, Will ya?
>Only in the last fourteen years, Argentina participated in all of them.
>According to your posting, Argentina has been in the finals only 4 times.
>Where do you get this info. from?  Could please release the sources of
>your info. so that other people like me can absorb from it and be grateful.
>
>But aside from that, I am going to give some information and you will
>be thankfull cuz next time you talk, you don't sound ignorant like you
>just did in your article.
>
>Argentina was in the FIRST final of the FIRST WORLD CUP ever when they
>lost to Urguay in 1932.  Adding that to 1978, 1982, 1986 and 1990 will give
>a result of 5 times (Assuming you know how to add).  I don't want
>to go through all other world cup that Argentina has been to beside
>the 5 listed above.  I believe that proving you wrong once is enough to
>prove that your info. is the most buyist info. I have ever read.  But,
>I want to thank you cuz you really made me laugh for half an hour after
>I read your posting.  According to your posting, AUSTRIA HAS WON THE WC.
>
>Maybe it is a better idea for people to familiarize themselves with soccer
>before they do any posting.  This network is for those who are familiare
>and know, if not too much, at least something about soccer.
>
>
>           Have a good time looking up correct info., Francis
>
>                                Fuad
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

     ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--
           and the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IS A SPOILED, OVER WEIGHT DRUG
           ADDICT, MARADONNA IS HISTORY, THE LITTLY SHITHEAD IS FINALLY OF
           THE SCEEN. IT'S TIME FOR BIGGER AND BETTER PLAYERS.

hey, incidentally Argentina did not make it to the final in 1982, Italy
knocked them out.

regards,

mario s.
          



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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:54:25 GMT

In <2A91DF8B.20361@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:


>Stop posting wrong and misleading information, Francis, Will ya?
>Only in the last fourteen years, Argentina participated in all of them.
>According to your posting, Argentina has been in the finals only 4 times.
>Where do you get this info. from?  Could please release the sources of
>your info. so that other people like me can absorb from it and be grateful.

>But aside from that, I am going to give some information and you will
>be thankfull cuz next time you talk, you don't sound ignorant like you
>just did in your article.

>Argentina was in the FIRST final of the FIRST WORLD CUP ever when they
>lost to Urguay in 1932.  Adding that to 1978, 1982, 1986 and 1990 will give

At least two pieces of misleading information are here. First, THERE WAS
NO FINAL OF WORLD CUP in 1932. (Although Argentina might have lost to
Uruguay that year 8-) ).  In 1982 Final was between W.Germany and Italy,
Argentina lost to Italy and Brasil in the second round and ended up with
TWELFTH place.

>a result of 5 times (Assuming you know how to add).  I don't want

With this way of adding you can tell Argentina has been in the WC Finals,
(oh, no , has WON the title) 15 times 8-) .

>to go through all other world cup that Argentina has been to beside
>the 5 listed above.  I believe that proving you wrong once is enough to
>prove that your info. is the most buyist info. I have ever read.  But,
>I want to thank you cuz you really made me laugh for half an hour after
>I read your posting.  According to your posting, AUSTRIA HAS WON THE WC.

>Maybe it is a better idea for people to familiarize themselves with soccer
>before they do any posting.  This network is for those who are familiare
>and know, if not too much, at least something about soccer.


>           Have a good time looking up correct info., Francis

>                                Fuad

Cheers,

Michael.


>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>     ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--
>                       and the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Saturday's fixtures (Was Re: English News: gossip, results, fixtures)
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:44:21 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Aug12.130632.15654@watson.ibm.com> w2baust@watson.ibm.com (Jostein Baustad) writes:
>
>What happened to Nottingham Forest v Liverpool and Manchester City v Queen's Park
>Rangers? Are they being played on Sunday instead? If this is a part of the new
>sponsor deal, I am not sure whether I like it. IMO, all matches in the opening
>rounds and final rounds should be played at the same time.

It is to do with the TV deal signed with BSkyB. There will be live coverage
of one game on most Sundays, and another on most Mondays. On the first weekend
of the season Forest v Liverpool is to be played on Sunday, and Man City v QPR
is to be played on Monday.

I can't see that it makes much difference on the first day of the season, but
if the championship goes to the very last game, as it did last season, then
they will almost certainly play any crucial matches simultaneously.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
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Subject: Re: Backpass
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:25:37 +0000







In Message-ID: <9208171541.aa00282@ingate.microsoft.COM> t-frans@microsoft.com
(Francis Stanisci) writes

stuff deleted ...

>Soccer was not created by the English, therefore it is not theres.
>Soccer belongs to no *one*, it belongs to the world.  It is for the
>world to share.  And if the majority of the world supports a change
>then so be it.  our only rights as individuals is the right of an
>opinion, which excludes *unfair* and slanderous accusations.

Actually it was. Organised football was invented in England, the rules
were formulated there. They gave it to the world for the world to share.

Rule changes go before the International Board which as far as I am aware
consists of one representative from each of the home countries (England,
Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland) plus four others. This means at least one
of the British Associations must support any rule change. Does anyone
know which one supported the backpass change?

>Like every where else in the world, soccer is enjoyed in *great*
>numbers by people of the US.  Unfortunately we do not enjoy the TV
>exposure that is afforded other countries.  It is our hope that, ALONG
>WITH THE SUPPORT OF OTHER COUNTRIES, that WC '94' will re-introduce
>soccer to the US at large, and more importantly, to the broadcast
>system at large so that we may finally enjoy professional coverage just
>as other countries do.

I hope so too. Then "soccer" will be a truly worldwide sport.

>Americans love soccer,  the number of participants proves that.  We
>just need to get the networks and periodicals on the ball (no pun intended).
>Francis.

James M. Ross

(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
From: michaelt@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Michael Tipping)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Prediction re: Arsenal
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: michaelt@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <3841@keele.keele.ac.uk> csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir) writes:
>Following last nights performance, I now wish to alter my prediction of
>a few days ago concerning Arsenal.
>
>For "relegated by easter" now read "relegated by february"

No, you predicted "relegated before easter".
It should have said "relegated before Manchester United".........


>>>>>  MIKE T                       (Bananas!)          <<<<<<<<
From: caar14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Scottish Results 12th Aug 92
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:32:39 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Skol cup 2nd round
------------------
Aug 12th
        Heart of Midlothian 1-0 Clydebank
        McLaren         (ht 1-0)

                  Hibernian 4-1 Raith Rovers
                  McGinlay (ht 2-0)
                  Evans(2)
                  Hamilton(pen)

            Stirling Albion 0-3 Celtic (Hampden Park)
                        (ht 0-0)Coyne,Creaney(2)

                    Falkirk 4-1 Forfar Athletic
                    May (ht 0-0)
                    Drinkell
                    Smith,McAllister

                   Arbroath 0-4 Aberdeen
                        (ht 0-1)Paateainen(2),Jess,Shearer

                  St Mirren 1-0 Cowdenbeath
                  Laverty (ht 1-0)

                   Montrose 0-6 Dunfermline Athletic
                              O'Boyle(2),Davies
                              McWillaims,Leitch,Grant

Skol Cup Third Round
--------------------
Stranraer v Rangers
Celtic v Dundee
Aberdeen v Dunfermline Athletic
Motherwell v Falkirk
Kilmarnock v Hibernian
Brechin City v Heart of Midlothian
Dundee United v St. Mirren
St. Johnstone v Partick Thistle


Games to be played during next week. Stranraer have received
permission from Dumfries and Galloway Police to play their match
with Rangers at home. Their ground capicity is only 5000 and so
they are obviously more concerned with winning rather than a big
pay cheque.

The draw for the fourth round has also been made.

Ronnie.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: emulcahy@unix2.tcd.ie (QUETZALCOATL              MONTEZUMA OAXACA TENOCHTITLAN INTI RAYNI RA CHICHEN ITZA TLAXCALA MACCHU PICCHU CUZCO AKRANES REKJAVIK AKUYEYRI KEFLAVIK HAFNAFJIORDHUR GODTHAAB THULE MINNESOTA NORTHSTARS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS KON-TIKI)
Subject: OCEANIA WC Qualifiers : full results
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:31:40 GMT


		OCEANIA
		-------
	GROUP 1
11. 7.92	Solomon Is. - Tahiti .........  1-1
 4. 9.92	Solomon Is. - Australia	......	 -  
11. 9.92	Tahiti - Australia ...........	 -  
20. 9.92	Australia - Tahiti ...........	 -  
25. 9.92	Australia - Solomon Is. ......	 -  
 9.10.92	Tahiti - Solomon Is. .........   -  


	GROUP 2

 7. 6.92	New Zealand - Fiji ...........	3-0
27. 6.92	Vanuatu - New Zealand ........	1-4
 1. 7.92	New Zealand - Vanuatu ........	8-0
12. 9.92	Fiji - Vanuatu ...............   -  
19. 9.92	Fiji - New Zealand ...........   -  
26. 9.92	Vanuatu - Fiji ...............	 - 

			 P   W  D  L   F  A  Pts
New Zealand		 3   3  0  0  15  1   6
Fiji			 1   0  0  1   0  3   0
Vanuatu			 2   0  0  2   1 12   0


	Enda.
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ahem
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:31:08 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug20.131332.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <24959@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) write
>> a lot is made of the fact that Rangers have the backbone of the Scotland
>> defence, but I personally don't rate the Scotland defence at all!
>> Rangers' will be infinitely more disciplined than they were last
>> Saturday and Celtic certainly won't be anywhere near as cavaliering as
>> Dundee were which suggests a low scoring game.
>>                             I've been wrong in the past but I'll stick
>> my neck out and say that Celtic will not lose and might even win with
>> ease.
> Nobody wins with ease against Rangers
> 
>  12 months ago a settled Rangers side hammered a disjointed and 
>> ill at ease Celtic side at Parkhead. A role reversal looks on the cards
>> this time.
> 
> Shite!!!!
> 
> 
>>     Alastair Dogget    - Who the hell asked you!!!!
>> 
>>       Allez Les Vertes
>> 
>>                  Gerry
>>  
> -- 
> Ian Davis
> Strathclyde University
> clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk

It has to be said that Celtic won with ease on their last visit to Ibrox and
the best team on the day does not always win the match as was evidenced by the
Old Firm cup tie of last season.  That match could have been a landside in
favour of Celtic, but to be fair to MIM FC they took their only chance and had
only 10 men so all the best to them (;-)).  The best team generally does win
the league and over the piece it was MIM FC (:-(), but it again demonstrated
the overall poor standard of the Scottish game.  Surely even the most ardent of
shareholders in the famous business giant, would agree that a bit more
style and skill would have been desirable and surely the company has spent
the amounts of money to make it expected.
I'm sure Celtic under Brady will continue to try and play attractive football,
as the fans rather altruistically demand, and with some consistancy they may
yet get some reward.  A trophyless season would be bleak and even bleaker if
they played crap football of the win or don't lose at all cost variety (who
does that sound like?:-)).

Chris

Would you trust a Super League run by Murray with Merger in his backpocket?
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Uruguay (WAS:FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 19 Aug 1992 09:12:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ariel types:
-> I wish FIFA would enact some rules that guarantee that a player can play for
-> their national team in official games.

Why should FIFA have to do this?  It seems to me that if the Uruguayan
players (or anyone else for that matter) are concerned about their
ability to play on the national team, they'd have it written into their
contracts in Europe.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.spain
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. poland
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.083748.4001@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes:
>
>bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
>
>>In article <9208122200.AA19904@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com
>> (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>
>>>As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
>>>to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
>>>goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
>>>the goals themselves were nice!
>
>>Francis,
>>if the ball bounces of one defender after being shot at the goal and lands
>>at the feet of a player that is in offense, then do you call that goal as 
>>being well planned and prepared?
>
>>I thought that the third goal scored by Spain was lucky.  The ball did not
>>have to go in front of the Spanish player (#19 - do not remember the name).
>
>What was lucky was that the first shot by the Spanish Player bounced off a
>Polish player who just happenned to be in the way and did not go directly
>into the goal. The second shot was simply justice.
>
>>So, sometimes, it is luck that wins a game.
>You mean sometimes--mostly when Poland loses?
>
>>Imagine that the ball would have bounced harder of the Polish player, it
>>would have been behind #19, and he would not have that shot.  Then the game
>>would have gone in overtime, and the story could have changed.
>
>Imagine that the ball would have bounced much harder off the Polish player,
>in fact so hard that it takes off in the air, over the penalty area, the
>midfield line, and over Toni, the Spanish Goalkeeper who is surprised and 
>frozen, and then the ball takes three bounces and on the last one it hits
>the post of the Spanish goal, and dribbles down the goal line and crosses it
>just before Toni dives trying to stop it and a milisecond before the
>Colombian referee, seeing that his beloved Spanish team was about to lose,
>blows the final whistle.
>
>Then Poland would have won and we would have been spared all this Polish
>whining about "lucky goals" and "sold-out referees".
>-- 
>Angel Puerta
>puerta@camis.stanford.edu

It seems to me that you get aggrivated if someone calls the game objectively,
didn't I say that Spain deserved to win and they won rightfully so. But, I
also pointed out the circumstances, I think you should study football for
a while and be more objective and not take opinions personally, reflect for
a while on these opinions, replay the tape again, have a drink and relax,
... Oh!!!, ... ,I don't know do something to get your stress level down.

Cheer Up.

regards,

mario s.
From: schoof@dec8.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:28:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany

From article <#q9m+ph@lynx.unm.edu>, by blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.):
> In article <DSTAug17.094903.1136@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>>This really is the great tragedy of the soccer which eventually will be
>>noticed by people all around. Well, maybe not in the countries where it is
>>almost the only sport like in south America. In soccer one can only see
>>_failures_! The goals are very rare and this is also the reason why the
>>FIFA is discussing about the subject of enlargening the size of goals to
>>give the audience more positive experiences. But the leaders are too old
>>to accept anything new there.
> 
> AIEEE! Is this really true? Ruin a perfectly good game that 3/4 of the
> worlds population is insane over just because the US television 
> audience wants to see more goals? Please tell me this isn't true!
> r.
> 

Agreed! Seems that the americans absolutely need scores like 42-37. I
don't wonder any longer why they give six points for a TD in football.
If the only thing you want to see is goals try handball! I saw matches
tied 0-0 that were really interesting. I really don't want to damn all
americans, but I hate it when people knowing only few about a topic
want their ideas of 'improvement' realised. The fact is that soccer
is one of the few games with the idea not only to score goals, but to
keep the opponent from scoring. Enlarging the goals is a silly idea,
because soccer already has the biggest goals of all sports (or are you
thinking of a second goaly ;-) ??), so one day you'll have a 70m x 20m
goal (the whole line) and americans would be happy: Not the slightest
difference to football!

-Jochen


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jochen Schoof                    schoof@sundae.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de
Lehrstuhl f. Informatik II +-----------------------------------------------
Universitaet Wuerzburg     | It's worse than that: he's dead, Jim!  -Bones
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC SEMI-FINAL
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:59:34 GMT
	<1992Aug6.075119.25671@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
	<BsKGvJ.AI3@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Aug9.210712.19782@daimi.aau.dk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Jesper" == Jesper Lauridsen (rorschak@daimi.aau.dk)

Jesper> At taenke sig, Polen ville slet ikke have kommet med hvis ikke Claus
Jesper> Thomsen havde oedelagt sig knae....

Du mene ".....hvis ikke en polak havede oedelagt Claus Thomsen knae"?

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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