From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Walking her to the car.
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:37:56 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Aug17.053659.3887@news.acns.nwu.edu>, query@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Samuel Green) writes:

> 	As far as the cops fabricating evidence for a charge, there is a
> bit of difference between faking a drug bust, and arresting someone who has
> several witnesses willing to testify about my stating that I was going to
> make sure that the person gets home safely or to wherever they were going
> without incident.
> 	Also, what charges could they arrest me on?  Ok, you did mention
> resisting arrest, but, I am pretty sure that I would be able to get off of
> that, since all I would do when faced with the cops is:
> 	1)  Explain what I was doing.
> 	2) If the cops still wanted to arrest me, ask what charge.
> 	3)  Get into the squad car EVEN IF they did not give me a charge.
> I am willing to deal with a violation of my constitutional 'rights' if it
> means avoiding a hassle later on.

No, you are not dealing with it sequentially. The ploice spot you following
her, or she waves them down. Her story gets explained, and as far as the police
are concerned, you fit the profile of so many other rapists they have dealt
with or astudied or heard about.

At that time you get arrested for (fill in the blank) AND resisting arrest.

You now go downtown while a follow-up cruiser is sent to the party to collect
evidence that you:

1. Were chatting with her.
2. Offered to escort her
3. Followed her AGAINST her wishes.

By that time, the police are not looking for "truth", they are looking for
evidence, because they have committed themselves to proving you are a criminal.
If they fail, you go free AND get to sue them. 

That means you have to defend youself against said charges, while they try to
plea bargain you down to something petty you will agree to rather than risk
prison time.

And, do NOT make the mistake of thinking a crack bust is bigger than taking a
rapist off of the streets to a cop. Crack busts are a nuisance that does
nothing--by the time the perp is being booked, he or she has been replaced, and
someone is happy to buy from them. Catching a rapist means you have protected
innocent people from harm.

If you don't believe me, which would you rather arrest, some chinsey dealer, or
a date rapist?

DC

PS. Remember, being innocent is only a good defense if you can prove it is true
AND it nullifies what you have been charged with.



> 
> 	I still see no charges of rape or attempted rape being able to be
> applied... After all, I made no moves towards her, and, no one could proove
> anything about my intent, except for the fact that I stated that I was
> going to make sure the person got to their destination safely.
> 	Anyways, it seems that what I would face if I went to trial over
> this would be a trial on either resisting arrest charges, or some very
> vague charge that would not even be worth the time to prosecute.  Remember,
> the police and judges will probably have a fairly good idea of what was
> going on, and they would also have a pretty good idea that I was not a
> threat to the person.  It would be dropped. 
> 
> 	The current events thing:  I was referring to LA after the jury
> verdict and the riots.  A lot of everyday people believe that it was a case
> of the cops looking out for their own, if not outright racism in police and
> judicial administration.  If any of these charges ever did reach the trial
> stage, then the jury would probably be more sympathetic to the defendant
> now, rather than the police.  Hell, I know it is a different deal (racism
> and rape and all that) but, the rioting and fallout from that has changed
> the level of trust placed in police.
> 
> 	Anyway, suffice it to say that in MY opinion, there would be no
> flack other than a minor annoyance of being arrested and having the charges
> droppped, to this.  I will risk that to make sure someone is safer.  
> 	Sam
>