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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:58:11 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tocchet-Jagr fisticuffs


>Then it looks like it's time for Jagr to go.  Doesn't matter what anyone
>thinks Jagr will do 3 or 4 years from now (or when Mario's gone), this is
>how teams fall apart.  If he doesn't go, it's hard to say that Pittsburgh
>would have a chance at 3 (or four, or five, or whatever you think they'll
>get).

It's been time for him to go.  It was time for him to go last year.
Someone pointed out to me in this group about how strong he was in
the playoffs and how many game-winning goals he has, etc. etc. etc.
This is all true but it isn't like we would trade him for a lump of
coal; we could get something we NEED for him.  He may be strong and
he certainly has some flair on the ice but he has a lot to learn about
team spirit.  He's also a smart-assed little kid with an ego much larger
than is warranted.  I don't want to see another Barry Bonds emerge in
Pittsburgh.

Mom.
From: twollnik@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:12:03 GMT

lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com writes:

>In article <93005.091538U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.135442.16597@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
>(Ken
>>Kaufman) says:
>>>
>>>Last Wednesday, the Washington Capitals held their segment of the NHL
>>>skills competition.  The highlight of this event was AL Iafrate's
>>>attempt in the Hardest Shot competition - his slapper was recorded at
>>>101.4 mph (163.2 km/h for those of you north and east of the border).
>>>According to the announcements at Friday's game, this was the first time
>>>a puck had been meassured at over 100 mph.
>>>
>>>--Ken
>>Maybe some one can confirm or refute this --
>>
>>I remember reading about some sports show in Canada (perhaps in Toronto?)
>>that had a shot measuring device as an exhibit. [This took place right
>>after the first Canada/Soviet Union series in '72]  All the "big guns" of
>>the NHL were invited to participate (including Bobby Hull, who had just
>>signed with Winnipeg of the WHA).  Many shots were recorded well over 100mph.

>I had always heard that Dennis Hull had the wicked slapshot (harder than
>Bobby's).  The source isn't that great, but my uncle said that he had about a
>105 MPH shot.


>>The big winner was also a big surprise.  It was Paul Henderson, the "hero" of
>>game 8.  His shot was measured over 120mph.
>>

Didn't Doug Wilson of the Sharks (previously of the Blackhawks) have a slap shot
timed at over 100 mph.  I thought that I heard that he had won the shot competition
at a FEW all-star game.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that it was over 100.


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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: General Info.
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:24:10 GMT

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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Expansion and Goaltenders
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:37:39 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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In article <1993Jan12.193441.21708@honte.uleth.ca> std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>There's been some talk about Toronto and their goaltender situation, but two
>other teams come to mind before Toronto with regard to losing a good goaltender
>in the expansion draft. 
>
>The first is Calgary, because they have so many 'tenders who could play
>in the league today including Vernon (possible Vezina candidate for the year),
>Reese, Kidd, and Musatti (sp?).
>

   Muzatti is a one year pro (91-92 in IHL).  No pro games this year, so he
   should be automatically protected, as will be Trefilov.  Kidd played 2 games
   with Calgary in 91-92 and this year with Salt Lake, so I guess he, Reese,
   and Vernon will be fighting it out for the lone protection spot.

>The other team that stands out is the Rangers.  Which man are they
>going to trade before then?  They wouldn't possibly keep both Richter and
>VanBies. hoping the unprotected one would be overlooked in the expansion draft,
>would they?
>

   Thank goodness the best goalie in the system is a first year pro, and hence
   exempt (Corey Hirsch down in Binghampton).

   Brad

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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:41:30 GMT

In <1993Jan6.143342.3014@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.135442.16597@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman) writes:
>> Last Wednesday, the Washington Capitals held their segment of the NHL
>> skills competition.  The highlight of this event was AL Iafrate's
>> attempt in the Hardest Shot competition - his slapper was recorded at
>> 101.4 mph (163.2 km/h for those of you north and east of the border).
>> According to the announcements at Friday's game, this was the first time
>> a puck had been meassured at over 100 mph.

>I could be wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that Bobby Hull had his shot
>clocked at over 100mph once back in the seventies.

>								Alan

I am certain of that. Also, Al MacInnis of the Flames definitely has a
harder (and faster) shot than Iafrate. All the players in this
preliminary competition have really inflated numbers - for instance
Paul Ranheim won the Flames comp. with a shot over 97 mph - come on!
This leads me to believe that the players were allowed to skate into
the shot - MacInnis beat out Iafrate at the All-Star game with a shot
of 95.4 mph from a standing position. I would suggest that MacInnis,
had he not been sidelined, would have easily topped the 100 mph mark
and been ahead of Iafrate.
                                                  Vladimir
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:55:08 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan5.160133.24500@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>In article <C0Bypw.EEK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew
>W Korbut) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.071327.22008@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,

>>Just as an aside, I swear that one of these games at the Aud, I'm gonna go
>>up to the oranges, find the morons who hang these idiotic signs, and throw
>>them over the balcony.  There was an actual sign at the game reading "Brett
>>May Be Nifty But He Never Had Fifty In Fifty".  Give me a break.
>>
>>The problem may be that all these signs are designed by arrangement with some
>>local high school or something, and most signs that show any sort of
>>originality, humor, or sarcasm are immediately removed by security.  Like the
>>big one that said "Better Dead Than Red" in Russian the last time the Soviets
>>came calling.  Made it to the USA Today, but didn't make the 1st period before
>>the Gestapo came calling...


>	Correct me if I'm wrong, but son't the Sabres put them dumb things up?  Notice
>how they all are the same handwriting, and all equally square?  Or maybe it is
>the booster club  This is the same team that hands out hats when someone has a
>chance to get a hat trick.

No, the Sabres don't put them up, but try making letters big enough to
be easily read from the ice or camera level that aren't squared.  No,
they're made by groups of people with nothing better to do with their
days than marker/paint huge blocklike letters onto really wide paper.
The club's just in charge of policing them.

>
>	I went to my first game in years on new years eve, and one thing I noticed was
>the sign for Crossroads. Any news on when they'll build it? 
>
Yes, once they have the 50% of public financing.  They have to clear a
proposed bed tax that the local hotels are up in arms about, or find
another source of revenue, ie my tax dollars.  :-(  


-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: MONTREAL'S DEFENSE
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:28:01 GMT

In article <880998s.1.726854704@axe.acadiau.ca> 880998s@axe.acadiau.ca (WAYNE LAM SETO) writes:
>I THINK THAT JACQUES DEMERS HAS MONTREAL'S DEFENSE PLAYING TOO MUCH OFENSE
>AND NOT ENOUGH DEFENSE. PATRICK ROY IS STOPPING THE INITIAL SHOT BUT THE 
>DEFENSE IS NOT CLEARING AWAY THE REBOUNDS FAST ENOUGH. AS A RESULT MANY OF 
>THE GOALS SCORED ON MONTREAL ARE AS A RESULT THE REBOUNDS THAT ARE LEFT 
>UNCLEARED

How many Stanley Cups did Montreal win when Burns had Montreal's defense
playing too much defense and not enough offense---zero.

How boring had the Montreal Canadiens become...the team that until
the mid-eighties had defined skating hockey....totally.

Gerald
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Subject: Re: Patrick Lebeau
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:31:39 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <C0Hp3q.B80@Novell.COM>, dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.000335.18163@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>  
> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (KIRK MULLER or LARRY WALKER) writes:
> 
>>    2) how is Patrick Lebeau doing in the AHL?
> 
> He plays in the IHL (Salt Lake Golden Eagles).  I haven't checked his (or  
> anyone's) individual stats lately...but although I know he's "cooled off"  
> a bit from his red-hot start at the beginning of the season (how could  
> *anyone* keep *that* pace up?!), he's still a vital part of the Eagles'  
> offense.  I'd guess he's still one of their top 2 or 3 scorers.  If I can  
> dig up some exact stats for him, I'll post them--unless someone else can  
> oblige first :-)

He's the leading scorer in SLC after 33 games with 15 goals and 18 assists
for 33 points in the 29 games he has played. He has also played one game for
Calgary, scoring no points.

								Alan
From: vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: L.A. Kings Ticket Info. Needed
Keywords: Kings tickets
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:28:03 GMT
Organization: chevron

I am posting this for my brother. His family is going to Disney Land in
mid-February and is interested in attending a Kings game (he knows they
are in town one day).

Now his question(s). What are the ticket prices? What is the availablity
and is there a number he can phone to arrange for tickets? He is staying
near DIsney Land, and what would be taxi ride fare to the game? Would it
be better for him to rent a car for this day?

Please respond to: vstem@calgary.chevron.com

Thanks in advance

-- 
D. Stew McLeod                  Internet: vstem@calgary.chevron.com
Chevron Petroleum Technology Company			
500, Fifth Ave. S.W.    
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From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber)
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:29:50 EST


In article <BSON.93Jan5223828@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes:
|> 
|>    Am I the only one frustrated with having to watch Moog night after
|> night sabotage the Bruins with his substandard performance? Sure, he's
|> good, but it's not enough to be merely good or excellent in the NHL,
|> you have to make impossible saves _and_ hold on to the rebound. Moog
|> seems to completely have lost his judgement; he gets trapped behind
|> the net, misses the puck, drops rebounds everywhere they shouldn't go,
|> rarely holds onto the puck after a save, lets players freely pass the
|> puck inside the crease, gets completely taken by surprise by 50-foot
|> well-advertised wristers, and generally fumbles.

I have not watched Moog enough this season to really comment.  However, last
night I noticed that he held onto the puck for quite a long time before
dropping it and playing it.  I was rather surprised by the lack of whistles -
he held the puck and got no whistle.  It was doubtfully one of Moog's better
efforts, but I would prefer having Moog instead of "The Old Man" in the net.

-Jay


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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:51:00 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1993Jan4.194251.23119@phx.mcd.mot.com> gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.145611.23563@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>>In <C0Bypw.EEK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1993Jan4.071327.22008@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
>>
>>>But the only pertinent record in the NHL Guide is titled "Most Goals, 50
>>>Games From Start Of Season".  Even that is ambiguous, but I think it means
>>>the first 50 games that the TEAM plays, not the individual.  The marks of
>>>the record holders seem to imply this (everyone except Richard hit 50 games
>>>in late January).
>>
>>>Players to hit 50 in 50:
>>
>>>Gretzky (3 times - 61 was his max), Lemieux (54), Hull (twice - 52), Bossy (50)
>>
>>>I believe 2 other players hit 50 in THEIR first 50 games, but I don't really
>>>remember who or when.
>>
>>I have the vague memory that Bernard "Boom Boom" Geoffrion of Montreal
>>Canadiens scored 50 goals in one season, it is possible that he did it
>>before they extended the season to 70 and 80 games. About the other one
>>I do not want to make any guesses.
>>

>How soon people forget.....Maurice "the Rocket" Richard set the record with
>50 in 50.  The season he did it was only 50 games long as far as I recall.

I assumed everyone knew the original record holder and that then tere was 
only 50 games, but was it fifty games or more when 'Boomer' tiede the record. 

- Lauri Tarkkonen
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:15:57 GMT

When the Bruins play the Nordiques tonight neither Moog or Lemelin will
be dressed.  The Bruins have called up both Providence goaltenders John
Blue and Mike Bales.  Blue will get the start with Bales backing him up.
This is meant to be a shock I think to the veterans and the team.  There
is a chance though that if Blue plays well, he and Moog will alternate
in goal with Lemelin going down to Providence.  I think this is a good
change for the Bruins as they have been giving up a lot of goals on few
shots. (24 shots 6 goals for Pittsburgh for example)  Moog was not a
happy person about the change saying that with the Bruins new open style
hockey he is facing less shots but ones of better quality.  He said his
confidence is a little shaky.  I wonder how it is now knowing he will be
healthy and watching from the rafters of the Garden.  For the record
Blue was 14-4-1 for Providence with a 3.41 GAA.  Bales was 8-7-0 with a
4.39 GAA.   

--
Larry King
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: If I were Glen Sather...
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:26:06 GMT

I would trade (or offer) 

Dave Manson to Quebec for Peter Forsberg and a player (I wonder
if Page and Aubut would go for this)...

Bernie Nicholls to New Jersey for Ken Daneyko (and Kevin Todd, if
possible)

Joe Murphy to Chicago for Igor Kravchuk (and a forward, if possible...
Chicago seems unwilling to part with Krivokrasov...I might be content
with someone else)

Ron Tugnutt and Esa Tikkanen and maybe something else to Boston for
Glen Wesley.

And Klima to anyone who might want him.

Gerald
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:59:30 GMT
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Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <2366@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>(I saw Rosie last week standing outside a local deli talking to a cop in
>front of his illegally parked black Mercedes; I was tempted to yell out
>of my car,"Hey, you lazy bum,stop stuffing your groin with food and get
>back on skates!",but with the cop standing there I chickened out :-)

You could have said it by adding "and contribute like the hard working
officer" to the end of your sentence!
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Subject: Re: Stern the next Roberts....Nah
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:49:14 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1itlbeINNc5u@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
> Sorry Alan, I was just joking about Ronnie Stern.  I think I put his
> projected season point total at 71.  That would be a good career for
> old Ronnie.  The little I seen of Craig Berube has surprised me since 
> he seems to actually possess some skill, but again he will never be
> in Robert's league.  Maybe Paul Kruse(sp)  ????

Arrgghh!! I had a feeling you were joking... :-)

As for the next Roberts, well, these things are tough to predict. :-) But
Kruse has certainly shown he can fight. He acquitted himself well against
Brad May of the Sabres the other day. And Roberts entered the league as an
enforcer, too. Kruse hasn't shown any scoring touch, but supposedly he has one.

A better bet in my opinion, though, is Todd Harkins. This guy has 4 points in
11 games on the 4th line, playing with scoring wizards like Berube and Stern.
He is also tough. He led Salt Lake in scoring and PIM two years ago, so this
isn't a fluke.

								Alan
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Canadiens 4-1
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:04:50 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <yang-070193145301@comm-mac-ii.acs.ucalgary.ca> yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang) writes:
>In article <1ifplqINN32t@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
>wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1993Jan6.032531.12983@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>===============================================================================
>> >GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
>> >===============================================================================
>> 
>> I LIKE IT.  In fact I dare you to use this as your .sig as long as Calgary is
>> in first or second place in the Smythe.  Realistically, no matter how well
>> Mikey plays for the rest of the season, as long as Roy doesn't get hurt,
>> the sports writers will vote him the Vezina.  As long as Mario stays
>> healthy, he is a shoe-in for the Hart and Ross.  I think the only 
>> Flames that have a chance at individual trophies are C.J. Young for the
>> Calder and Gary Roberts for the Lady Byng (although Roberts might get some
>> competition from Kevin Stevens).^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>
>I don't see a smiley here Isaac. Roberts or Stevens will never win the Lady
>Byng trophy.  Roberts already has over a 100 minutes in penalties. 

Dave, I guess that sometimes you write things that are so obviously 
sarcastic that no smileys are required.

I really think there should be a new trophy call the Man Byng which
would be opposite to the Lady Byng.  The winner would be the player
with the highest common point total/penaly minutes at the end of 
the season.  I think that both Gary Roberts and Kevin Stevens would 
be the leading contenders this year.

>Vernon will beat Roy in Vezina voting, but as of now my money is on 
>Belfour winning it. 
>
>Best chance for a Flame to win a trophy is Dave King for the Adams. 
>
>-Dave.

PS. Dave, I heard it was a tad cold in Calgary over the holidays.