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From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pissagoras
Keywords: apology
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:49:55 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <Bv0MB7.2An@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>Why dig to find insults in what Justin says when we have people in Colorado
>advocating the death penalty for homosexuality? 

>----          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!         ----
>\  /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers        \  /
> \/   and bean eating ways. Accept the #4 into your heart! \/
>     Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568        

Wait a minute.

I alway thought this kid was JOKING about the Pissagorean Reform Crutch.

Seemed like the kind of humor you get out of 19 year olds, which
I don't begrudge 'em, even if I'm too old alienated and cynical
to get anything out of it anymore.

But I think he's for real about this.  Gawd, the "Christian" fascists
on the home-ed list were bad enough, but this really takes it.

Regarding acceptance of the number four:  some of us take our numbers
seriously, and take our Pythagoras seriously, and take small number
ratios seriously.

With a difference.  I have a goal in mind, not the creation of an identity
for its own sake.  Once you have a goal in mind, you don't run quite
so much danger as you do from this BULLSHIT separation of the spiritual
and the material.  There ain't nothing magic about the number four,
unless it happens to be a numerator over 3 and you play a pitch and 
the one mutliplied by 4/3 and you have our old friend the fourth,
and if you keep going in a while you have a tune and some harmony
and so forth and dancing and singing and it's a PARTY and we know why 
we are alive for a moment at least - or we tried.

But You don't need 4 - no no no - you get get by on 1 5 6 7 8 9 and
STILL get a tune and a beat and it's a PARTY and we know...

I mean, Pissagorus, while not quite the pukehead that Playdoh was
with his condemnation of the "feminine" modes (later that species,
Kay Gardener would do a mirror image of Playdoh by proclaiming the
long lost "Lesbian" mode, which isn't and wasn't, tho the femophile
in me would love to believe in it) was at least part of a lineage which
goes on now.

Ellis, Wilson, Riley, Partch...

I don't know if any of THEM ate beans, but screw you anyway.

You're serious about this, aren't you?  Gack.



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		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sex Pumps (was Re: demuffining)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 10:50:21 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.153143.1537@fig.citib.com>
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>"right kind of lubricant"?  Would that be something like
>LARD I mean Crisco-type stuff or motor oil or Yak Fat or
>what?

*Now* you're talkin'!

But please do be careful.  Yak *butter* is obtained from the
milk of this remarkable beast.  Yak *fat* is obtained by
rendering the beast itself, something we do not approve of.

One has sat quite some time by the sidelines of various
bear-oriented, hair-oriented disputes on soc.motss, smiling
over the relative hairlessness of bears compared to much
hairier critters.  Yaks certainly have better dispositions,
as well.

<> The flashlight, seeing light in every direction it looks,
<> concludes there is light everywhere.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Motssers in history
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:19:55

In article <1992Oct2.075802.3074@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

   I thought about trying to put together a list of motssers who have
   had things published...

   But then I started thinking some more and realized that a list of
   published motssers would be quite large.

Does a paper in "Electronic Letters" count?

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:30:19 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>     Saint Thomas Aquinas was born in 1225 and died in 1274.  He was a
>very brilliant kindly man, an Italian by birth.  He enjoyed eating
>immensely.  [nice ambiguity of division there.]  He became so heavy that
>his stomach kept him so far away from tables that he could not reach his
>plate.  He was practical as well as brilliant and kindly and quickly
>solved his problem...

>[ok, kids, what would *you* do here?  solve saint tommy's problem
>and win a free pod.]

Simple.  Build a table with a C-shaped top, allowing ingress to the
middle of the table, and high enough so that his belly lies below
the surface.

Please may I have my pod?

				Kay
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:02:36 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

georgere@microsoft.com (George Gak) writes:

Ignoring George's .sig (out of which I thought of making
a risque swifty), I  thought that of the offerings
    >) > > Schweilly?  Gak.
  >) > Reirk? Rark? 
I would vote for Gak.

George comments:
 >They sound like noises a sexually frustrated duck might make.
It may or may not be significant that I misread "duck" as "dyke." 
and adds:
 >Momma Bear has spoken: Gak it is.

Of course, conscientious child that he is, he's already changed his
software to reflect this.  Thanks to the beauties of nn, I saw only
that someone named George Gak had written on the thread.  I'm glad
it turned out not to be a newcomer, demuffining by pointing out that
the name in question was already in use.

Momma Bear [or whatever]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:23:09 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 40fa5c4d919c167a3e6758c452bed4e2

In article <36165@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
><Lots of more interesting stuff>
>
>Oh Rats!  I thought that the usenet age was  the number of years,
>months, and days since finding usenet!  I still have the very 
>first usenet map (it has 30 sites) where utzoo is on as site 27.
>Henry Spencer and I connected utzoo in.
>
>That would make me older than you, Jess.  tee-hee!
>See how silly age-ism is?

Dearest Laura:
	That would make us very closely tied for who is older.  But not
really,  I had the advantage of being at the first site :-)

[I know you don't remember it, but the second flame war was you flaming
me for being a sexist pig. :-)   That event led, directly and indirectly,
to the founding of this site. ]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: on Cinemax in October
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:10:01 GMT

In article <lche4uINNpjs@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>|> >POISON -- Three tales by avante garde French writer Jean Genet are
>|> I thought this was a *fantastic* movie.  Ever since seeing it in June '91,
>|> I've been waiting for it to come out on video.  Time to set up the VCR!
> 
>I hated the movie, I thought it was overhyped and not that focussed.  However,
>I must tell you that it has been out on video for about 6 months now...

I thought that _Poison_ so thoroughly de-Gallicized Genet as to render
his eroticism incomprehensible.  Fassbinder's _Querelle_ at least had
the virtue of being ludicrous.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:06:50 CDT

In article <1992Oct6.205433.20980@spdcc.com>
 rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>...But somehow I've managed to get by 
>in the last 29.985 years...

This is a hint, right?  Were we supposed to plan a surprise
party or something?  Is this a request for "happy
birthday" messages to be broadcast on soc.motss on --
is it October 11?

Just this week Tim Pierce has told us that he will
be 22 on November 11.  Was the entire astrology
thread an attempt to get us to buy birthday presents
for each other?

-Steven Levine (and you all just missed mine)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:25:19 GMT

In article <citeog@kaa.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>>So, the results seem to suggest that gay men and lesbians are more likely to
>>be left handed.
>>
>>However, there is no indication that the converse is true. Left-handers
>>appear to be just as likely to be gay or lesbian as do right-handers and
>>ambidextrous folk.
>
>These two statements are logically contradictory.  If homosexuals are
>more likely to be lefthanded then lefthanders are more likely to be
>homosexual.

Maybe you need to review your logic.  Seems you didn't think this one
through too carefully...

Suppose this hypothetical data:

		Gay	Straight
Left-handed	300	700	
Right-handed	200	800

Of all the gays, there are 300 left-handed and 200 right-handed.
Of all the left-handed people, there are 300 gays and 700 straights.

Thus, 60% of gays are left-handed, but only 30% of left-handers are
gay, in this hypothetical model.

----------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
<Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
Be excellent to each other and party on.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:57:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct2.135759.18257
Organization: insert anything here

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) >writes:

>>	As if we needed more people being "told" that if they
>>don't look like X their worth is diminished.

>>	Beauty is internal, not external.  Fashion is
>>a way for people to make money off of other people's insecurities.
>>When you "go in for fashion" you're buying this demoralizing
>>and dehumanizing crap lock, stock and barrel.

>That esteemed philosopher Camille Paglia says: 

>"These establishment feminists are elitists.  They literally believe that
>the people are being brainwashed.  That the homemakers who are buying the
>fashion magazines are weak and gullible and allow people to brainwash tem.
>My attitude is, Hmm, all these homemakers buy nillions of copies of Vogue.
>What does that mean?  It must mean that there's something in it that they
>*like*.  There's something in it that's fund for them.  So this is where I
>got my theory that most women, most ordinary women out there, *like looking
>good*.  They want to be attractive to men.  They *love* looking at fashion
>magazines.  It's not that the fashion magazines are brainwashing them and
>making them feel lousy.  You don't buy a magazine that makes you feel
>lousy!" 

	Yes and no.  This must be a new version of
the word "elitist" that I was not previously aware of.
Somehow, the people who feel that people don't need to
compare themselves against a model *are* elite, and
those that do *aren't*...?   Um, is this Calvin and Hobbes
"backwards day"?  (Now, everyone - think carefully before
you say "NO!" to the terminal :-) :-) :-)

	There is a big difference between buying Vogue or
any other mag and looking at the pictures to see what you
might like for yourself, and doing so to find out what you 
*need* in order to be "OK".  If you're saying "Oh, I like that
X, and I think I'll buy one", you'll probably be giving yourself
a well-deserved treat.  IF you're saying "OK - that's in now I
had better go out and get one..." you probably want to think again.


BBC< who bought his Fall wardrobe
the other night: 3 flannel
shirts at Sears for $10/each.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:41:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.183112.15428@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) 
writes:
>
>Fuck you, Arne. Do you think there is some merit in offending random
>people by insulting what they feel strongly about, or are you just
>practicing your role as soc.motss.bitchy.queen?

He wasn't offending any random person, he was offending George Madison, who
is hardly a random person.  

I also think that Arne has a point.  How do you defend eating eggs but not
meat?  There are a few small egg raisers who treat their hens decently, but
for the most part laying hens are treated worse than just about any food
animal other than veal calves. 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Answers [really more questions]
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:43:39 GMT


In article <thaaang.717383371@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
|> 
|> >roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
|> 
|> >>What's so great about straight lines anyway?
|> 
|> >They're so easy to remember!  "You look *so* familiar! Haven't we met? What's
|> >your sign?"  
|> 
|> "I'm an accountant. Do you like foozball? I want oatmeal. I used to play
|> checkers, but then I hurt myself. Isn't Neil Diamond wonderful?"

"Do you eat meat?  They made my grandfather into a hat."

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Paul Jabara
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:16:26 GMT


In article <1aqdofINNo32@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.143235.8636@fig.citib.com> 
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

|> |
|> | I remember the Trash Dance at the Santa Monica Civic,
|> | with the LA Stars, Zolar X (*there* was a band!), Iggy Pop,
|> | and the New York Dolls.  The official death of glitter
|> | rock.  We wore Tippi Hedren wigs and false eye-lashes and
|> | golf pants and plaid coats.
|> 
|> Oh dear.  Glitter rock.  I used to spend all my free time at
|> Rodney's English Discotheque on Sunset.  It was *fabulous*. 
|> I saw David Bowie there one night in 1972 (I think) -- well, 
|> just after the Ziggy Stardust tour, whenever that was -- and
|> about creamed in my jeans. 

I was a maximal nerd in high school (which ended for me in
1974) and I lived in Southern Orange County which meant that
any trip to LA was an expedition.

I got to see Jobriath (remember her!  Those ears!) and Zolar X;
The Alex Harvey Band, and Sylvester (at the Roxy, I think?)

I started coming out of it in '73 and '74 and listening to
Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry, Sparks (Kimono My House!),
early Bruce Springsteen, and ENO (Here Come The Warm Jets - 
should be a theme song for some people, eh?)

Then Bowie went PlastiSoul (I just got the Ryko version of
Young Americans and it's a *completely* different album)
Bruce did Born To Run and my world became Patti Smith and
Modern Lovers and Ramones and The Damned and Sex Pistols
and Blondie and my hair turned green and blue and 
impossible black and we started a band and I got a boyfriend.....

The mid-70s to early-80s were much more my period of
scene-making.  I wasn't pretty enough to be good at
glitter but I did suburban punk real well - I was 
*threatening*.

|> And I had a collection of peculiar thrift store clothes -- like
|> my TV-jamas, which were a cross between a kimono and pajamas, with
|> images of Japanese people watching TV painted all over.  And I 
|> was a regular on The Real Don Steele Show, a local-TV American 
|> Bandstand, for a couple of years. 

Tell me it's not true!  

Did you know that guy who did the Egozine Series?
Bobby BonBon or something like that?

|> And look at me now.  Sigh.

I couldn't live now like I did then.  I'm glad
that I got to do it and I'm happy with my life 
now.  I think I'm *still* catching up on my
sleep.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:25:08 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct6.062931.29414@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>(can you tell that all I've eaten today are the leftovers from random
>Reed students on board?)

About the biggest termite on earth, I bet.  Were these raw
students or cooked students?  And I thought you didn't eat
meat.  Students are meat (a lot of it rather spoiled meat,
but thank god for exceptions -- hi, Thaaang).

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:06:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep29.090658.23956
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <15764@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>>I was even younger then than I am now, ...
>Phew!  I was afraid that someone might have changed the laws of
>Physics while I wasn't looking.  Or are we talking usenet.age here?
>I still don't quite have the hang of it.  Seems to me it'd take a
>rocket scientist to figure it out.

No, Jeff, that just makes things harder.. At least, when the rocket is
travelling near the speed of light it does.

Damn, I should be asleep.

		__
nelson@reed.edu \/                                            Love under will
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 19:21:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Sep28.173309.24418@osf.org> <1992Sep29.022850.1632@reed.edu>
  <1992Sep29.195421.4250@microsoft.com>

Bob Sarver, who is secretly just *wild* about The Pudless Fuck, sez:

> However, I will be watching to see what goes on.  Actually, *WE* will be
> watching.  Alan, Melmon, and I have formed the Anti-Cabal...

Excellent.  I do hope that *your* pods will be as tasty and nutritious
as *their* pods.

Yum!  I can hardly wait to look under my bed tonight.

And could one of you groups see about doing something in chocolate?

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George Gak)
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Date: 01 Oct 92 04:06:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Sep30.154643.853@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep30.180242.19282@panix.com>

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
) George V. Reilly and Ryerson Schwark: 

) > > Schweilly?  Gak.

[I had suggested Ryly (in my .sig) but Ry didn't quote that.]

) > Reirk? Rark? 

They sound like noises a sexually frustrated duck might make.

) I vote for Gak.

Momma Bear has spoken: Gak it is.
_____________
George V. Gak   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:24:36 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.151519.20331@osf.org> coren@osf.org
(Robert Coren) writes:

]In article <1992Sep26.013729.18504@reed.edu>,
]nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

]> I think our response to the term "old" is quite different, then. You
]> seem to be concerned that calling someone "old" is denigrating. On the
]> other hand, I like "old", although I usually use nicer words like
]> "mature", "older", "intersting", or just plain "sexy."

]Gotta love this guy.

I know at least two people who do.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:38:45 GMT


In article <72923@apple.Apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
|> 
|> (Herald Tribune, 17-September.  Used without permission.)
|> 
|> What's in Fashion?  For Men, Smooth Look Goes Integral

Living in New York City as I do, I am often unhappy
witness to appearance trends which one assumes will 
eventually be assigned to the column of unfortunate
mistakes which includes but is not limited to avocado
gold appliances and Quiana shirts in antique car patterns.

Going to a trendy Chelsea Gym as I do (since you ask
it's "Better Bodies" also known as "Bitter Bottoms")
I have seen with my very own eyes the sorry effects
of waxing a moderately hirsuite man's body - an ugly
red rash and what look like the kind of zits that some
people get on their backs.  

There is also a strange phenomenon which is associated
with this removal of body hair - a *stunning* increase
in nelliness.  Perhaps body hair secretes some sort of
butchizing hormone.  

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