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From: ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:55:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr6.022109.2861@arizona.edu>, soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> Time for yet another question, in the search for information...
> I know what the differences between each of the drives (chain,

  Well I have owned bikes with belt drives and chains...
  the first most obvious thing is that you don't have to oil 
  a belt and the rear wheel stays cleaner. My bike manual recommends
  that the belt tension is checked every two thousand miles, try that
  with a chain ! I think that transmission 'snatch' is much less 
  with a belt, the take up is much smoother.
  Also belt life is much longer, up to three times as long as a chain.

  Anyway after singing the praises of belt drives I now have to point
  out the downfalls. Firstly when you do have to replace the belt
  drive, I have been informed that you have to replace both sprockets 
  as well.. at a cost of about 170 pounds. Secondly I don't think 
  there are an pattern belt drives available on the market which 
  means you have to buy an original Suzuki, Kawasaki etc part 
  which puts the price up. 

  A rumour I have heard is that replacement belt drives for the Suzuki 
  Savage's are very hard to get hold of and have to be shipped in from
  wherever they make them.

  I suppose an advantage with chains is that there is a very wide 
  range of aftermarket stuff available for nearly any machine so 
  you can choose whether to get a decent set or go for the cheapo 
  stuff. 
 
  There is a device called the "Scottoiler" which is a small thing
  that runs off of your carb (from the vaccumm take off) and
  supplies a constant drip of oil onto the chain, faster you go
  the more oil it drips, apparently these things can extend 
  chain life quite dramatically. They cost about 37 pounds.

  As for shaft drives, I have never had one so someone else
  can ramble on about those.

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           * Mark at Oxford University Computing Services *
           * Email - OPS@UK.AC.OX.VAX  anytime....        *
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From: tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Rich Bembens Outstanding Bicycle Post
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@atc1.UUCP (Tod J Johnson)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <2981@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>
>
>BUT...
>
>The fact remains that there are, IN ALL LIKELYHOOD, many more very incompe- 
>tant bicyclists out there (read: kids, teens, Joe-spandex-I'm-way-cool-fuck-
>the-rest-of-the-world, and your basic mom/pop I-haven't-gotta-clue types)
>that would give serious bicyclists a black eye.  And there are also cagers
>
>"insignificant"??? PATOOEY!!
>
>Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com

Dick;

	As you know I consider us almost good friends, and I never talk
about you behind your back as far as you know. I must commend you for
a well written and insightful end-all to this bicycle hoopla; not to
mention very precise puncuation. Only one troublesome spot that I would ask
for either you, or the inevitable 200 - 300 others in on this thread, to
clarify for me. That very forementioned spot is above in the forementioned
spot space where what I'm referring to appears above. My inquiry is this:

Is it not true that the mentioned streotypes and genre of people (with the
exception of kids) are the same that are truely the advisary of any sport
or recreation? Can we not assertain that these people are responsible for
the negative imagery of motorcycling; or even boating; or even bowling;
and bicycling??

In para-phrase; What the fuck Dick?

Thank-you for Caring;

Tod J. Johnson
"Go Slow, Take Geritol, Hey Toga, Is This Thing On?"
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:03:12 GMT
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

kenoyer@sfcpmo.enet.dec.com (Greg Kenoyer, Contract Spook) writes:

    Remember, as always, "IMHO"

>   Chains:    suck
>   Shaft:     OK, but heavy
>   Belt:      best

>   Highly negative chain maintenance problems deleted...

>   Belts seems to be the best choice.  They're lightweight, fairly
>   maintainence free, and require little adjustment.

    I would agree with this EXCEPT:  to handle the power of my sportbike
I'd have to have about a 30 tooth countershaft sprocket and a 90 tooth
rear wheel sprocket.  I'd give an extra $300-$500 for a belt drive
machine but technology hasn't arrived for the sport mc yet.

            -------------------------------------------------

>   In 24 years of riding, I've had:

>      many tens of thousands of miles (40,000 on one bike alone, a Honda
>      CM400E ) on chains, had one break and wrap around the axle ( Honda
>      CB175 ), drove another (short-lived one) through the Mt. St. Helens
>      spew ( the CM400E )

>      about 20,000 on shaft ( Honda CX500D )

>      one belt-drive which I am currently enjoying, about 2,000  miles so
>      far  ( Harley FLH ).


    And in my 24 years of riding:

       8k miles on a KX120 Kawi with diddly litte chain - no probs.
       5k miles on a Yamaha street 250 w/ chain and no probs.
       7k miles on a 175 Kawi with chain - no problems.
      18k miles on a Honda SL-350 (2 chains) - no problems.
      30k miles on a Honda V45 Saber with shaft - oil leak from shaft.
      52k miles on a Honda VFR700 - 3 chains - 2 lost clips - no problems.

    I didn't particularely like the shaft drive on the V45 because of
the handling of the bike.  Part of this may have been the overall frame
and other components.  I also had the rear vent plug and it gunked up
the rear of the bike one hell of a lot worse than any chain lube ever
did!

    Chain maintenance just got a lot harder since my latest bike doesn't
have a centerstand.  Still, lubing at the END of a day on a hot chain
seems to keep the lube on the chain.  Cleaning is as simple as brushing
on some kerosene and letting it drip into my oil drain pan.  Oh well.

    If I can get 100hp from the engine to the rear wheel and keep the
overall weight down to about 500# I don't care what mechanism is used to
get it there.

Ken `2 wheels good' Snyder
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: BIKE FOR 1ST TIME RIDER:
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> 74 Honda 125.  She's kinda lukewarm to it, but she saw this 74
-> AMF-Harley 175 dirtbike that she really liked.  It's a two-stroke

 Buy it.  Parts availability is only so-so, but two strokes are simple.
I've been told the Aermacchi-Harleys are collector's items now, so
she'll probably get all sorts of attention.  <grin>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 22:34:35 CDT
From: Ed Dowtort <U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How Dangerous is a Bike, really?????

Ed Green says:
>>>
>>>What is a morotcycle?
>>
>>It's what those damn morots ride, of course.
>
>So, motors ride motorcycles?!?!

and bicycles are ridden by bi's?


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Edward Dowtort                                                    '80 KZ 250LTD
u10119@uicvm.uic.edu                                   '86 Nishiki Custom Sport
university of illinois at chicago                                     DoD #1690
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:01:00 GMT

car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.123343.1746@nic.csu.net>, rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker) writes:

>[I supplied 19 more names for the FJ list]

>> you think i trust you, rogers?  none of you daughters of denver
>> are worth the electrons you post on!  

>You're not seriously expecting us to believe that Charles Blair and
>Henry Pasternack actually *responded* to a bike popularity poll, are 
>you? C'mon Bob, these two are made of *much* sterner stuff than that!
>Harold Plotnick would sooner dip himself in clearcoat than stoop to
>participate in such a plebian enterprise.

Bob's probably squawking because I dumped a bunch of names on him too. :-)

Now just so that everyone is aware of the the rules, let me note that
even though my name appeared near the top of the FJ list, I did NOT
respond to the poll. So either Bob polled me subliminally, or via
telepathy, or the esteemed poll-taker was engaging in a little ballot
box stuffing himself. But we shouldn't be too hard on Bob, the fact that
he was willing to "enhance" both sides of the vote indicates his strict
impartiality.

So remember, vote early, vote often, vote for friends and associates,
and above all, vote from the dead.

>KotVS (Velvet Sledgehammer)
>KotBLFJ (Best Looking FJ)
>KotODoDBoC (Official DoD Bike of Choice)
>KotEG (Eternal Grin)

You realize of course, that you have to share all of the above titles
with the rest of the Fj'ers around here. 
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Meta-flame, was: Re: Tank Bag for an FXRS
Date: 2 Apr 92 12:51:45 GMT
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <1APR199217030437@che.udel.edu> andersen@che.udel.edu (From the jumbled mind of Steve Andersen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.180653.27000@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes...
>>In article <1992Apr1.173252.2279@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>>> Not that I'm volunteering to become public defender or anything, but
>>> Seth has seemed like a pretty normal guy in the e-mail discussions I've
>> 
>>See, I am a marginally normal person!  Some folks are just wrapped too
>>tightly to enjoy the subtle humor I prefer to post.
>> 
>>Seth Zirin
>
               <stuff deleted>
>previously indicated by Seth in his own posts that
>he truly does feel that Harleys are somehow 
>"better" (for lack of a more appropriate word),
>hence my reaction to his 'tude.
>

He's right, so what's the problem?

>Those that know me well, know that I definitely do not
>qualify as being wrapped too tight>

    We Knew That.

>Dunno, perhaps maybe Seth's "humor" has slipped by
>me and spun me up.  It does happen occasionally.
>
    Thats ok steve, you're forgiven.

>
>______________________________________________________________________________
> Steve Andersen (Apprentice Ducatisto)            andersen@oscar.ccm.udel.edu
> (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
> "I own two bikes, what kind doesn't matter (or something like that...)"
> DoD #0239
--
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Grim Reaper on two wheels
Date: 13 Apr 1992 10:04:37 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.cs.utexas.edu

For those interested in the Grim Reaper (and his three pals of the 
Apocolypse) entering the industrial age, I highly recommend 
_Good Omens_ by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaimon.  In addition to
being laughing-out-loud funny, it features the four riders of
the Apocolypse on motorcycles and a great description of some 
wannabe-Denizens joining up with them.

Take care,
brad
DoD #714 ("Take that boy today.  Where's the fun in being out of your head?")
From: coughlan@maui.qualcomm.com (Sean Coughlan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Question about cam chains
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:25:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcomm.1992Apr7.192542.26713
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

So, does anyone out there in net land have any ideas on frequency of 
replacement of cam chains? What is a usual replacement interval? I have
a 1989 Katana 600 with 70,000 miles... The automatic cam chain tensioner
is all tensioned out... :-) so its getting a bit loud.

	Thanks,
	Sean

_______________________________________________________________________________
Sean Coughlan                         EMAIL: SCoughlan@Qualcomm.COM
Qualcomm Incorporated                 Phone: (619)587-1121 x1215
10555 Sorrento Valley Road            FAX:   (619)455-0571
San Diego, CA 92121
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Honda CB550 info?
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.141226.17259@Firewall.Nielsen.Com>
ccullen@ops-2.Naitc.Com (Carolyn Cullen) writes:
>Any info on the Honda CB550K? (i know there is a K, F, and just
>550, but dont know the difference)

I think the F and the K are identical except for cosmetic
parts (tank, pipes, seat).  I don't think there's a third type.
This model was a 500 for the first two years it was sold.

>Specifically a '77, as in,
>availability of parts, how easy to work on, any model-specific
>quirks, etc?

They're pretty easy to work on and pretty reliable.
Reasonably light weight and easy to ride, too.
Gutless at low RPM and pretty good when the engine
is really spinning.  Just like many modern sport bikes.

Some examples of the early models had a problem with the
rocker shafts.  I think this was fixed for the 1977 or 1978
model year.  If the valve cover has four nuts on top next
to each of the four rocker shafts, you're looking at the
fixed version.  The symptom I had to deal with on my '75
was that the valves would go out of adjustment in 100
miles.  The fix cost $100 and took me about two hours:
remove gas tank, remove old valve cover, move rocker arms
to new valve cover, install new valve cover, adjust
valves.

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	Mindcraft, Inc.		(415) 323-9000
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 20:18:44 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Universal Holding Tool
	<1992Apr9.135325.20041@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>

>There is a type of pipe wrench that has a length of what looks almost like 
>drive chain attached.  This is a terrific addition to your tool collection.  
>Get an old leather belt and wrap it around your alternator and then use 
>the chain wrench on it.  This also works for clutch baskets and so forth.

The chain wrench also comes in a "belt" wrench version.  I think Sears
carries both.  They come in all sizes from tiny (cute) to huge.

Peter
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From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: engine slugishness
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:04:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr17.000547.6891@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr15.050425.12214@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umfehr06@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Fehr) writes:
>>>Why is it that bikes (or maybe all vehicles) are more sluggish when its cold
>>>outside?  
>> 
>>My ZX-10 seem's to run better, the colder. Go figure.
>> 
>I agree that cold weather makes for better 
>performance, power-wise.
>
>My turbo car makes this especially evident-
>I've always figured that the denser cold air
>made for a better intake charge.

 I think it more likely that Andrew is correct.. That you have a 
 colder, and therefore denser air charge and so your jetting (on the
 rich mains) is closer to optimal on cold days. Most bikes come
 jetted too rich for optimum performance from the factory (fewer
 melted motors that way :->). 

 








 Stef
--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs         me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
AMA/CCS #5, Lightweight Supersport, Superbike, Grand Prix Champion
mail:  race-request@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM to join motorcycle roadracing list
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:12816 rec.motorcycles.racing:548
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 09:32:49 EDT
From: <PAH112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Steering Stem Bearing Failure ??

Hello,

A while back, I asked for advice on a vibrating fork (back to front), and many
said that it was a wheel imbalance.  The problem still exists.  I would like to
know if the problem could be the steering stem bearings.  I still get the vib.
around 70-80 mph, and at lower speeds, it feels like the thing will tank slap
if I don't hold on to the bars tightly.  How difficult is it to replace these?
Are these bearings the problem???  BTW, when I removed my front wheel, I could
move the forks back and forth about 1/8", now I know that can't be right.  Is
this what is ruining my handling?
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* Peter Howard                *  " If the speed limit is 55 mph, why does my  *
* DoD# 0924                   *    does my speedometer go to 160 ? "          *
* 1985 Ninja 600              *************************************************
* EMAIL: PAH112@PSUVM.PSU.EDU *  " Slower traffic keep right."                *
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mick@cs.wpi.edu (The Missing Link)
Subject: Re: Extended Offer
Reply-To: mick@cs.wpi.edu (The Missing Link)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:15:32 GMT

Thus spake Diana Boyd:
|> 
|> "This memorable photo of Diana was taken during her initiation into the  
|> Harley-Fucking Mailing List. A limited edition, each 8 1/2" x 11" photo is  
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	inquiring minds would like to know which side she was on ;)


|> numbered and autographed by the subject and is suitable for framing."
                                                               ^^^^^^^

	slip of the tongue there... isnt that meant to be flaming ?


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From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: What's a poker run?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:47:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs


    Since I got my R100GS I've been heavily motivated to ride a lot.
    (I'm also motivated to get a Corbin seat...)

    Anyhow, a lot of the events I see happening feature a poker run.
    I'm not one of these point-gathering types of riders, but a poker
    run sounds interesting.  So, what is it?  If I'm going to do one
    on May 3rd in Felton I'd like to know things like, what it is,
    how long do they run, etc.
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.

    "Traditionalists often study what is taught, not what there is to create."
			     - Ed Parker, Grandmaster, American Kenpo.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Where to buy dual Fiamm horns?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:01:22 GMT

grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:
>One drawback to Fiamms on a bike:  People who go to pull out in front of
>you, etc. don't see you.  When you honk a dual-Fiamm at them they start
>looking for the car they assume the noise came from.  They still don't
>see you.  Pedestrians, on the other hand, see you.

That kind of drawback I can live with! If they're really clueless, I
just hold down the idiot button until they figure it out, and/or I have
time to evade them. At the very least, it snaps them out of their coma,
and lets them know that SOMETHING is out there. That's far better than a
nearly inaudible horn that "sounds" like a motorcycle.

Personally, I've never had a problem with someone not seeing me after a
blast from the horns.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:06:07 GMT

In article <shq3pINN40h@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7774@cs.yale.edu, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>Hmmmm....Would you call making me pay extra bux for a
>>decent C compiler innovation or performance?
>
>Business.
Either way it sucks.
How long has the ANSI standard been out now? And now I hear
that Solaris doesn't come with any C compiler at all....
Talk about the shaft effect.

>>Had to try out that DoD Zippo, after all.
>
>Um, maybe you should put some fuel in it first?  :^)
Probably good advice for selling SPARCstations as well.
Not of course, that this doesn't apply to the other workstation
manufacturers as well.

-Ekr


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