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From: markl@bucket.rain.com (Mark Lilly)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cheap lodging in Paris
Summary: Options
Keywords: Paris, lodging
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:20:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: bucket.markl.717823228
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x

To Margaret Parker:
Couldn't read you mssg, our system was down, but
here's two options.  For a hotel in Paris, try
Hotel des Arts et Metiers near the Pompidieu museum
for about $45 per night for two people.  The other option
i found in my four days there is to stay in Chartres south
 of Paris, and train in for the day.  The youth hostel is
only about $11 per night, and is quiet and includes a big
breakfast, and it's a great town.  I don't know about the hostels
in Paris.
Best,
m
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Need HELP ! with housing in ASPEN, COLORADO
From: <SALOMONE@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 25 Sep 1992 15:15:21 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Does ANYONE know of any leads or can anybody offer advice on how a student
(myself) locate housing in Aspen, Colorado from December 7, 1992 thru
April 15, 1993 ??? - I'll be working during seasonal employment down there and
ALL of my research thus far has turned up with NOTHING.....

Thanks a bunch in advance !
John Salomone (salomone@ndsuvm1)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Revolting Animals (Re: Loud irritating obtrusive tourists.)
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:45:47 GMT

In article <Buy462.525@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:

|>    But to get back to Oz, what about the notorious Cane Toads
|>    (title of a swell little film, b.t.w.) ?
|> 
|>    They too were emigres - from the 50th State, as I recall!
|>    That film ends with a cane toad in the f.g. and the Sydney
|>    Opera in the b.g.  "Cane toads are comin'...." 8-)
|> 

In defense of the 50th state the cane toad (called bufo here) is
actually the Marine Toad (bufo marinarus) from Brazil. I think the
animal called bufo braziliensis is the same, but then I'm no
biologist.

The introduction of these toads into the Oz was specifically to reduce
the fly population.  As is usually the case that introduction backfired
- the toads also ate dung beetles, with the consequence that
pastureland (if anywhere in Oz can be graced with that title) was
covered with dung heaps.  The dung heaps grew grasses which cattle
wouldn't eat, so pastureland was destroyed.  Ever resourceful, the
aussies introduced the giant dung beetle (from where?).  This beast is
so strong that if you hold it in your cupped hands it can force your
hands apart and escape.  Eaten by a toad it could break out of the
stomach cavity...

I don't know how things are in Oz now, but here in Hawaii the bufos are
in precipitous decline (as are all amphibians throughout the northern
hemisphere).  It used to be that riding a motorcycle anywhere near a
damp lowlying area was a dangerous passtime - too many slippery bufo
bodies on the road.  Now you hardly ever see one.  I sort of miss the
brutes.
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: long@taurus.esd.sgi.com (Long Nguyen)
Subject: Need info on Minnesota and it's surroundings.
Organization: sgi
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:20:13 GMT

I am planning a trip to Minnesota this 15th of October.  This will be my
second state outside of California since my arrival to the US.  I have no
idea on what to bring and where to go.  If any of you have ideas on what
to pack for and what to do once I'm there, please drop me a line or two.

Any info will be greatly appreciated.


-- 
----------
Long Nguyen - SGI
From: hlj@posix.COM (Hal Jespersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Amsterdam restaurant?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:28:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: posix.193
Organization: POSIX Software Group, Redwood City, CA

Hi.  I will be in Utrecht, Netherlands, in mid-October and would like
to plan an expensive gourmet dinner for friends.  Can anyone recommend
an excellent restaurant in Amsterdam--superb cuisine, outstanding
service, intimate atmosphere, price no object?  My rather old Michelin
has one-star listings for "Christophe" and "Excelsior."  Any
experiences with these?  Others, perhaps outside of Amsterdam, but
easy train connections from Utrecht?  Thanks,


					Hal Jespersen
					POSIX Software Group
					447 Lakeview Way
					Redwood City, CA 94062
					+1 (415) 364-3410
					+1 (415) 364-4498 FAX
					hlj@posix.com
From: morris@aspen.NSA.HP.COM (Dale Morris)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 17:27:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: German race riots
Organization: HP Networked Systems Architecture - Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel


There's been much discussion on the topic of racism as it relates to
the demonstrations and attacks on asylum seekers in Germany.  Although
it is important to combat racism, the focus on it here tends to
reinforce the notion that some people have that racism is all that's
going on here.

Many things are at work in Germany, now.  Remember that most of the
rioting is going on in the eastern part of Germany.  People there are
now faced with the frightening spectre of unemployment - an evil
unknown to anyone there under 50, until recently with reunification.
And Germany's asylum assistance is quite generous.  So generous that it
exceeds, in some cases, unemployment assistance!

Also remember that until very recently, East Germany was a very closed
society.  People were taught from an early age to be suspicious of
people.  An orderly society was a goal shared by many people, and
their method to accomplish this was to suspect anyone who seemed
different.  Small wonder that people there, now, are not sympathetic
to the plight of refugees.

My main point is this: The opposite of "hating foreigners" is NOT
"hating racists".  Pointing fingers and pigeon-holing people as
racists is merely a way to find a scapegoat for the problem and to
avoid personal responsibility for making the world a better place to
live.  The task for all of us is to *understand*, not to judge.

Now, lest I be beset by complaints, let me state that I feel that
great wrong is going on in the riots in Germany.  I do not condone
violence as a way to redress wrongs.  But I feel that turning our
backs on the plight of the Germans in this (yes, the plight of the
Germans), and branding them with a Scarlet R helps no-one.  History,
emotions, economics, and government policy all contribute to what is
happening.

Personally, I think the German government showed great insensitivity
and a lack of common sense in locating most of the refugee camps in
the east, where unemployment is highest.  But also, I see much
courage.  Although many people wish the refugees would leave, most of
these people do not join in the violence.  At times when most everyone
you know promotes violence, staying on the sidelines can represent an
act of moral choice.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale Morris         |  Now is the time, and now is the record...
morris@nsa.hp.com   |          of the time.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin)
Subject: interesting lodging in KYOTO, NARA and OSAKA?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:03:11 GMT

Hi, I'm planning a trip for two in Kyoto, Nara and Osaka area
early January 1993.

1. Any interesting lodging experience? Japanese style B&B?
   Old-fshion Japanese Inn?  I know I can find a listing of these
   from an ordinary tour book, but I'm looking for some special ones
   or the ones people had enjoyed.

2. I've been to these area once, and know the tourist attractions
   (various famous temples), any other not-well-known hidden treasure?
   Special restaurant?  Last time I was there, a friend of my father
   took us to an old mansion which used to be an old-style school
   and now converted to a very old fashion, traditional 
   Japanese restaurant which serves a gourmet dinner of Tofu!
   All kinds of Tofu, and tofu ONLY!!  It's really special ...

3. Any other excursions around these area?

I'm planning for a 6-day trip.  Any CHEAP car rental place?
Do Japanese still celebrate the Moon calendar New Year? (Jan 23 for
1993)  I recall a Japanese novel, written by the Nobel prize winner,
titled _Old_Capital_ (or maybe his other book) that all the temples
in Kyoto will strike their huge bell to celebrate the Moon calendar
New Year (also the Chinese New Year)  Sound very special ...
Any idea?

Tzung-I
tzung@hugo.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: siho@manny.megatek.com (Si Ho)
Subject: testing
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:40:42 GMT


	testing


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From: robert@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Robert Morelos-Zaragoza)
Subject: JR pass
Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:12:06 GMT

Hi,

I will be travelling to Japan in December and need to purchase a JR
pass. The problem is that I am currently in the city of Monterrey, NL
in Mexico. I have tried to get the pass but haven't been successful.
Any ideas on where/how to get the pass will be appreciated.

Aloha,
From: rtsdi@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de (Joachim Dittrich)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: South-America by bycicle ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:41:30 GMT
Organization: Techn. Uni. Hamburg-Harburg, Germany
Originator: rtsdi@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de

Hello,

I'm planning to travel through South-America (e.g. Argentina, Chile,
Bolivia, perhaps Ecuador and Columbia) by bycicle for half a year
or more.

Can some kind soul who really knows about that give me some 
up-to-date information on
     - politics
     - traveling problems
     - interesting places that are not found in a guide  ???

Apart from these general subjects I would be very glad to hear about
anybody's experiences of cycling in these countries.

Please send e-mail to   dittrich@tu-harburg.dbp.de

From: ngsw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Soon Wei NG)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 11:40:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Asia Trip Advice
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.travel

Even though Singapore has no season (its summer all year round), the weather
can be pretty hot and humid at certain time of the year. Singapore is a very
small country with relatively little things to do. Besides enjoying a cheap
local dinner at any of the countless hawker centres, you may like to visit
the Jurong Bird Park, Sentosa (the musical fountain is a must) and of course,
Orchard Road, the shopping belt in Singapore. 

To really experience the local culture, check out Little India in Serangoon
Road and Chinatown. Get a culture shock if you visit the 2 places all within
the afternoon. 

Despite me recommending Orchard Road as must, do not shop there, especially
for electronics goods and watches. The price of these items will include the
high rental costs in the district. Come either in the middle or the end of
the year, when there's all kinds of sale going on, even as low as 50%. The
weather is also cooler during these times.

Have a nice trip.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bgm@meaddata.com (Brian McKee)
Subject: Re: S-Utah and S-Colorado in December
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:28:20 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct2.153333.6402@email.tuwien.ac.at>, peter@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Puschner) writes:
|> I'll be in the states in December and I'd like to spend several days for
|> a trip through southern Utah and southern Colorado. I'd plan to visit
|> Zion NP, the Monument Valley, and Mesa Verde NP, however I have no idea
|> whether that's realistic at that time of the year. In particular, I'd like
|> to know what weather, temperatures, and road conditions I'd have to expect. 
|> Will the national parks be open in December?
|> 
|> I would be grateful for any hints on places (besides the Grand Canyon)
|> one ``must not miss'' in, around, or between the mentioned places.
|> 
|> Peter Puschner         peter@vmars.tuwien.ac.at          +43 1 58801 8169

I'm not sure whether visiting those places is feasible during the winter
months.  I know many of the mountain roads are closed starting around the end
of October.  Having been through them in Sept., I certainly wouldn't want to 
have to drive them when they were snow- or ice-covered.

I believe the parks ARE open (I just got back from visiting Zion, Grand 
Canyon, Yosemite, and a few other places) - and they mentioned how pretty 
the places are with snow everywhere.

If you DO go, definitely visit Bryce Canyon.  It's a little over an hour east
of Zion, and it's BEAUTIFUL!  I thought it was the prettiest place we visited
during our vacation.  I HIGHLY recommend it.

In the smaller national parks like Zion and Bryce, your best bet for deciding
what to do when you get there is either go to the Visitor's Center when you 
arrive and ask for assistance on what to see, or write and ask them to send
any literature they might have.  We went to the Visitor's Center when we 
arrived, and it worked out pretty well.

-- 
Brian McKee         | The opinions expressed |  The trouble with being 
Mead Data Central   | above are mine and not |  punctual is that people
bgm@meaddata.com    | necessarily those of   |  think you have nothing
uunet!meaddata!bgm  | Mead Data Central.     |  more important to do.
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Phone Numbers for NE Leaf-Peepers
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:57:37 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


A couple of weeks ago someone asked about when was the best time for fall
colors in New England.  The following appeared in yesterday's Boston
Herald. 

Enjoy
Nichael

 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

[From the Boston Herald, 27SEPT92]

FALL FOLIAGE HOTLINES

Call these numbers for updates on where to see the best fall foliage color:

  o Massachusetts (800) 632-8038 in state, (800) 343-9072 elsewhere in
    Northeast.

  o New Hampshire: (800) 258-3608 or (800) 262-6660

  o Vermont: (802) 828-3239, not a toll-free line.

  o Maine: (800) 533-9595.

  o Conneticut: (800) CT-BOUND.

  o Rhode Island: (800) 556-2484, not a taped message.

  o New York: (800) CALL-NYS.

  o Pennsylvania: FALL-IN-PA.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:41:14 EDT (Wed)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

In article <1992Sep30.102655.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> you write:
>In France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland and Austria,
>during  3 1/2 weeks of travel we *once* found a machine that took our
>regular bank cards (Cirrus system) and dispensed money.  ...

>I *assume* that people with American Express cards can get money
>at Amex offices (but then again, that's a cash advance too, isn't it?).

Last things first: Amex doesn't do cash advances against the card.  To use
your Amex card in an ATM, you first have to send them a voided check so
their computer in Arizona can spit out a check and cash it when you get
cash.  Amex has "express cash" arrangements with many banks all over the
world (but not, as far as I can tell, any of the Canadian banks,) so that
Amex cards can get cash at machines belonging to those banks and ATM cards
from those banks work in Amex machines, in the latter case with only the
$1 or so that banks charge for network ATM transactions.  The main
drawback is that it's impossible to get an up to date list of where the
machines are.  I used a machine in the Part-Dieu train station in Lyon two
years ago that's still not on Amex's printed list.

When I was in the Netherlands in March, I got all the cash I needed using
my regular bank card from Amex machines at Schiphol and in the Hague.

In France there are a roughly as many ATMs are there are in the rest of
the world put together, all disgorging cash against the Visa debit smart
card that every French person now seems to be issued at birth.  (You can
even get Visa cards from the post office, yow.)  About 1% of the ATMs are
on Cirrus, which means that you may have to look to find one but there
should be a few in any city.  Credit Lyonnais, one of the biggest banks,
does express cash.

In the U.K. there are lots of Plus machines.

In Spain, most of the machines do express cash, and there were supposed to
be a lot hooked up to one of the U.S. networks in time for the Olympics.
As is often the case in Spain, what's supposed to happen and what actually
happens don't necessarily agree; I've never sucessfully gotten cash from a
machine in Spain.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.food.restaurants
From: r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.del monaco)
Subject: Grand Canyon travel info
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:30:23 GMT

Next month, some friends of mine are taking a trip to the Grand Canyon.
It would be really super if someone could give some advice on good
restaurants and/or accomodations in the area.

They would be looking for restaurants that serve good Mexican food (the
hotter the better).  Any other suggestions or recommendations would be
greatly appreciated.

Please e-mail your thoughts to my account and I'll forward your replies
to them.

Thanks!
Richard Del Monaco		rdelmonaco@attmail.att.com
Somerset, New Jersey		    r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Tangiers from Southern Spain in Nov
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:29:37 GMT

--

How easy is it to get to Tangiers from Southern Spain/Gibraltar
in November?  

Does the jetfoil still run?

Is it necessary to get a visa in advance?


Thanks in advance,


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: alex@unx.sas.com (Alexandra Bost)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Holland America Cruise
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:57:09 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I am thinking of taking a New Year's 7-Day Cruise of the
Western Carribean on Holland America's "ms Noordam".

If anyone has had experience with this ship, route, or
cruise line, would you please drop me an e-mail?  (My 
news site cannot read "rec" groups -- only post to them).

I've never taken a cruise before, so any information will 
be greatly appreciated!


Alex Bost
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: pboyland@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Car Rental in San Francisco
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:39:59 GMT

Thanks for information received so far about days trips from SF. Could someone
please recommend a good place to rent a car, preferably as inexpensively as
possible. 

Peter Boyland, University of Dublin, Trinity College.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: akt@photon.com (Andrea Terry)
Subject: San Diego to Albuquerque
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:38:35 GMT


I would like to fly to Albuquerque from San Diego this weekend
(October 9-11).  Does anyone have any tickets or vouchers that
they would like to sell?
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za (Dave Wilson)
Subject: Re: DELTA from NY
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 12:54:25 GMT

In <1992Oct1.191137.7767@exu.ericsson.se> ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se (Per Harwe 6247) writes:

>In article 15053@hippo.ru.ac.za, phjj@ruchem.ru.ac.za (Justin Jonas) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me which New York airports are serviced by Delta
>>airlines?  I need to fly to BWI in Maryland.  Also any tips on
>>the Delta air pass deal would be appreciated

>Delta serves all three NY area airports. It all depends where you are
>coming from and going to.  I beleive ALL international flights are at JFK
>(The old PanAm terminals). According to the June time table (and I don't
>think it's changed) you are in luck. All their Baltimore flights (3 daily
>and 1 Mo-Sa) are from JFK to BWI.

I will also be coming in to JFK (in the morning) and then wanting to
take a DELTA flight (that evening) to LA/Long Beach.  Can I pick up a
DELTA flight from JFK, or do I have to go to another NY airport?

I'd also like to do a bit of sight-seeing that day (presuming I'm not
totally exhausted) - what would be the best way to get into Manhattan
and then back to JFK in the evening?

--
Dave Wilson                               Computing Centre  
ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za                        Rhodes University
+27-461-22023                             Grahamstown, South Africa
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Day trips from San Francisco
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:19:18 GMT


Point Reyes, Muir Woods, Napa Valley, Sonoma Valley, Highway 1 south
to Santa Cruz, Monterey, Big Sur.  Unless you like tourist traps, skip
Sausalito and Carmel.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Berlin->Prague->Budapest->Vienna
From: Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Aaron Roydhouse)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:23:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0


About mid-December I was considering travelling by train from Berlin
into Czechoslovakia to Prague, stay there for a time then on into
Hungary to Budapest, staying there and into Austria to Vienna (later
back into Germany via Salzburg).

Anyone care to comment of the practicality of this? Any advice,
cautions, ideas. Anyone been through any of these routes who can
comment? Czechoslovakia is one big void on the Eurail map - anyone
know anything about the train system there?

I understand Czech visa's are required and take some time to issue -
so I had better apply soon if I am going to do it.

I have the information in "Go Europe 1992" and a couple of
Europe-by-train books. The books are relatively positive - but I'd
feel happier with the reassurance of someone who's been through there
recently!

Thanks,
Aaron.


Xref: sparky rec.travel:14009 misc.consumers:17419
From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.consumers
Subject: Re^2: DISCOVER card (Was Re: Credit cards with more than 14 days loss and damage coverage for rental cars?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:43:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL



FYI: Discover Card, along with all the other Sears Financial Network
institutions, were sold by Sears (or are looking to be sold in the
near future?).

Maybe it will get better, who knows...

-- 
  John M. Grohol, M.S.    grohol@novavax.nova.edu     Nova University
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    When I wake the things I dreamt about you last night make me blush." 	
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