HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Satan's Utensil
Keywords: hellfire & damnation
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:01:25 GMT

Paul Bell writes:

>What's S.U.?

	I have to agree with the follow-up posting (can't remember who) that 
it really stands for Satan's Utensil :-) But seriously, the aftermarket carb 
of choice among most Harley people I know is one of the varieties made by 
S&S. The Super E has been an aftermarket staple for years, and they have just 
recently introduced the Super G (I think), which has the advantage of not 
sticking out nearly as far from the cylinders as the Super E (if you've ever 
ridden a Harley with a Super E installed you'll appreciate the advantage this 
offers). One caveat: you can't slam the throttle open with an S&S; it doesn't 
like this kind of behavior _at all_, but if you roll on gently until you get 
the revs up somewhat, it'll haul ass.

BTW, SU _really_ stands for Skinner's Union, the English company that makes 
them.

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@rice.edu
****disclaimers, disclaimers, disclaimers...****
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: pOODER, you blew it again.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:36:06 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	Pooder, you old wreck!  What do you mean "DoD number ???
	I think?"  Get yourself internet access an check for
	yourself!  It's all there!  You were offered Internet 
	access from which you could _know_ IF you got the fucking
	number an you and chickened out.  Hey, I live only
	40 miles from you.  I'm tempted to check you out. Maybe
	that bike you got is all in your head, like
	another vaporware product.  Pooder up, dude.

	What say, DoD, is it worth the trip?
 john

Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: The Best
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester




In article <sallyg.62@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:
|> Just wanted to post to AGAIN say, "Harvey's the BEST."
|> 
|> Sal

Sal, how nice of you to say so; he'll be so pleased to hear it!

-- 

    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500 
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcycle
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:38:26 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

Paul said (in part)
> haven't got a good idea (beyond the original thought) about exactly
> how to go about this manifold fabrication and carb choice.

Well, you can do it the easy and expensive way and ask a machinist to
design and make a manifold for you or you can go the 'old john' route
and design it yourself and have a competent tradesman make it.

I am in the process of developing a manifold to mount a downdraft
2bbl to my Shovelhead.  It will be a highly simplified manifold.
No fancy stuff.  No flow design, nothing.  Just a way to put the
thing on the engine.  I make a properly dimentioned model in poster
board and take it to my friend Fred, the sheet-metal wizard and he
makes it out of stainless for me.  Fred makes (among other things)
one-off parts for nuclear pellet machines.  Beautiful, sculpted
parts which meet the strident standards necessary.

I'd suggest toughing it out like that for a start.  Not beautiful,
not elegant but functional.

(We'd make our own 'log' manifolds for flathead Fords in the Sixties.
 I guess that's where my head is at for this kind of design.)

does this help?
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: The BEST (pooder)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:59:51 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

Pooder says defiantly:
>Well, someday when I get a round tuit, I'll have e-mail access and a 
>Harley sharing my garage space.  Until then I will continue to lurk here.

OK, I'll just fix my filter to exclude headers and msg
instrings of 'pooder'

You want a fifties Harley?  Well, we may be able to help you.
You can buy my '56.  $20,000.00   Why not pay tomorrow's
price for today's 'best.' before I sell it in Japan next
year.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcycle
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:51:33 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

in 614 conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) offers some valuable info:
>Delorto/Weber  - Italian
>Solex - German
>SU - British
>Mikuni - Japanese
>Holley - USoA
>
>Note that significant cross-ownership & m'ftr exists (Holley owns Weber)

To add (and perhaps confuse) the list:

Solex Mikuni - Japanese (with a German accent?)

(This is a dual-throat carb side-draft.  I'm on my second one.  
Jerry Branch made HD (shovelhead) manifolds for it.)
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Keywords: Carbs
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:45:01 GMT

paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:

>In article <txd.711816291@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>+
>+The Mikuni 40mm on my Sporty came from Mikuni America. Yes, it's a
>+Japanese design, but the factory and support is in America.
>+
>+By the way, they make carbs for a num ber os different bikes, all come
>+in kits with manifolds and throttles.

>I've been to Mikuni America on a number of occasions.  The carbs are
>made in Japan.  It is packaged here.  The engineering of making an
>existing carb "fit" a new product is done here.  They have a dyno
>and engineers and International sales force here.

Hmmmmm, the pamphlet infers that the carb is US manufactured... Oh
well, I guess that it'll go with the sliders and brakes.

**********************************************************************
                               Tom Dietrich  
			   '72 1000cc Sportster
                    "Get on your bad motorscooter and ride!"
                                                   R. Montrose
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                    Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: Restoring 66 (was Harley Shops..)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.160214.920@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>In 1986.  Totally wrecked '56.  Only frame, which was cracked, lower part
>of engine (missing cylinders and heads) which needed to be rebuilt, transmission
>which was also worn out and the spool for the rear wheel.  $1,800.  I paid
>that much because it had a good title.  Oh, yea, and it was covered in chicken
>shit.  Today, in this area, a similar (pre 1960) engine/frame with good
>title sold last year for $3,000.  Unbelievable.  Last such deal I've heard
>of.  Good luck.

	Friend of mine bought a complete, running 66 FLH in excellent condition
for $1200. Just thought I'd mention it. (this is 2 years ago).


-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: RFD for rec.moto.harley
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:43:21 GMT

conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) writes:

>People,
>   there is an RFD for rec.moto.harley floating around in rec.moto.  If
>you want to get out of alt.* and into the (cleaner, brighter & socially
>acceptable) rec.*, then grab this opportunity.

Good idea, but the proper (internet rules, not mine or rec.moto's)
placeto discuss this is in news.groups.


*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^The Reassembly begins!^^^^^^              AMA #524245
 "Crew Chief" AFM 328               Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
                                               (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

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From: terryg@stortek.com (terry gottehrer)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Harley Exhaust for sale
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:41:43 GMT
Organization: StorageTek
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Well, I finally got my Python I's installed, so now I have some
used pipes for sale:

Cycle Shack Pipes 
Slash-cut style (also known as baloney-cut) 
Fit 84-91 Rubber-mounted Evo engines 
~16,000 miles on them 
$60/OBO (160+tax new) 


--
Terry
Louisville, CO (by Boulder,Longmont,Denver)
(303)673-4943
Terry_Gottehrer@stortek.com
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: bmyers@meaddata.com (Bob Myers)
Subject: Sportster rear suspension help request
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:10:54 GMT
Distribution: na

My '81 Sportster has now broken both rear turn signals (the chrome bulb,
not the support) and both saddlebag supports (just below the bolt
attachment.)  All parts were put on by me, and were fine for two to
three weeks.  They were also all Custom Chrome equipment.

The turn signals are known to have broken on the road - I left the house
with them okay, and got to my destination with them broken.  No
passenger to kick 'em.  The saddlebag supports only supported my jacket
and occassional light loads - the bags are leather.  God (and any
following cagers) only know when they broke off.

I know I've got something on the order of a vibration problem, but I
can't imagine what it is.  Vibration through the seat seems normal, and
the engine/tranny/chain are all fine (tuned/lubed/replaced this spring.)
The rear fender bolts are all tight, and aligned properly.

Any help/clues would be appreciated.  I'm getting tired of financing my
parts supplier's restoration of his WWII Army bike.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Myers          | God it's nice to have a Harley in the garage...
Mead Data Central  | and a toolbox, and a multitester, and a case of oil,
Dayton, Ohio       | and a tub of chrome polish, and ...
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcycle
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:54:59 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

>In article <1992Jul16.115333.869@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>>                              If I had any bike with a
>CV (constant velocity) carb, I'd want to change, too.  I'd not go
>>with an S.U. for that reason.  If you want a good start, try the
>>40mm Delorto slider.  I think Riveria Engineering still sells them.
> paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:
>How 'bout elaborating about the advantages of different carbs on big twins?
>For example, what does "Constant Velocity" really mean?  What's S.U. ?
>I'd also like to know if Delorto is American-made.
>The only 40mm I'd heard of before is Jap. (Mikuni or Mikuno?)

	The Delorto is Italian.  I cannot offer a definitive assessment
	of various carbs but I can say the Delorto for a stock displacement
	Big Twin has worked very well for me.  I've run Kehins (Japanese)
	which were adequate but short-lived.  I've run a Mikuni smooth bore
	and it wasn't so good.  I feel they are more appropriate to two-strokers.
	I've also run the Solex Mikuni and it was very good but hard to kick
	start (irrelevant when you have an electric start.)

	CV carbs are what you see on many bikes today.  The slide operates on
	vacume, upon demand from the engine.  You cannot yank open the slide
	to accelerate.  The engine has to 'ask' for more volume (Humm, kinda
	like VMS memory management.)

	I know many people do very well with the SU.  I don't like the way
	it sticks out of the engine.  I also had rotten luck with them on
	my Triumph (GT6, not the bike.)
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:
: In article <1992Jul16.115333.869@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
: >in msg 562 rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) said:
: >>***> Hey before you go...I could use a Harley fix for my bike.
: >>     I want to put an S.U. or similar on it but don't know where
: >>     to start wit da jetting. The bike is a Yamaha XV-1000/RH
: >                        
: >                              If I had any bike with a
: >CV (constant velocity) carb, I'd want to change, too.  I'd not go
: >with an S.U. for that reason.  If you want a good start, try the
: >40mm Delorto slider.  I think Riveria Engineering still sells them.
: 
: How 'bout elaborating about the advantages of different carbs on big twins?
: For example, what does "Constant Velocity" really mean?  What's S.U. ?
: I'd also like to know if Delorto is American-made.
: The only 40mm I'd heard of before is Jap. (Mikuni or Mikuno?)
Oh, Boy, here we go!

Delorto/Weber  - Italian
Solex - German
SU - British
Mikuni - Japanese
Holley - USoA

Note that significant cross-ownership & m'ftr exists (Holley owns Weber)


There is one basic problem with venturi effect fuel delivery: fuel is
delivered at a rate proportional to the square of air velocity.  There are
two basic solns & hence there are two basic types of carb, CV and "conventional"


CV carbs  attempt to keep the velocity constant & vary the jet size to
change the mixture. To keep air-speed constant they have a venturi area
controlled by pre-throttle vacumn.  AS the
throttle is opened, the vacumn sucks the  slide open & increases the
venturi area. There is a tapered needle attached to the slide which runs
through the main jet.  As this is withdrawn, the jet size is increased.

"Conventional" carbs (CJ?) have fixed venturis & jets & rely on a complex set of 
bleeds &  accel' pumps &tc to maintain linear air-velocity:fuel ratios.

The more complex carbs are often a mix of technologies - most CV carbs
have a CJet idle circuit & most "power valves" are vacumn controlled
variable jets.
: 
: I'm also wondering if anyone has any experience with after-market
: fuel-injection set-ups for HD.
: 
Not me!
Conrad Drake
--
"There's something stirring in my loins and it isn't the spirit of Jesus"
                - Helen Razor, JJJ announcer, 1992.

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604
From: larry@pico.OZ (Larry Mudd)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: te
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: larry@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: The Best
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.191638.8792@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:

>In article <sallyg.72@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:

>|> Let's hear about Gretchen!
>|> Sal

>Ah, yes, Gretchen.  What can one say about Gretchen.  She's young and sweet
>and very civilized.  She's quiet and has very nice manners.  She doesn't 
>stand out from the crowd in any one area, but she does everything quite well.

>She's the sort one would like to be in a long-term relationship with.  Well,
>I am, and I will never abandon her for another.  There will be others sharing
>the garage space - some whom I desire almost as much - but she will always be
>there. 
> 
>Oh, and her beauty.  What can I say about her beauty?  Words are not enough 
>for me to do her beauty justice, as I am no poet, alas.

>-- 

>    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

You certainly have a way with words . . . she does sound like a beauty!
Actually, they both seem to be taken care of with TLC.  My guy loves his "H" 
so much he covers her with a blanket in the garage--what can I say??  She 
gives so much pleasure, she deserves it!!!

Softy Sal
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Selling the scooter.
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:02:41 GMT

Well,

	It's up for sale. Anyone interested?

1981 FXWG
30,000 miles
Fresh top end, bottom end has 2,000 miles on it.
90 inch big bore motor, ported heads, a few other go-fast goodies.
Good amount of chrome, polished aluminum handlebar controls and rocker boxes.
Bike is currently painted black. 5 gal. tanks (new), stock bobbed rear fender,  
stock front fender. Drilled triple disk brakes. S&S Super B series carb.
Drag bars on 4" risers, cobra seat, new brake pads, rear tire, aftermarket  
tach, lots of other stuff. 
This bike has never left me stranded in the nine years I've owned it. I have  
always maintained it meticulously. I did a frame-up sanitize to the bike this  
past winter. I can create a .gif if anyone wants a look. $7,200   Any takers??

--
**********************************************************
Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Keywords: Carbs
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:24:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:

>In article <1992Jul16.115333.869@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>>in msg 562 rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) said:
>>>***> Hey before you go...I could use a Harley fix for my bike.
>>>     I want to put an S.U. or similar on it but don't know where
>>>     to start wit da jetting. The bike is a Yamaha XV-1000/RH
                        
>>                              If I had any bike with a
>>CV (constant velocity) carb, I'd want to change, too.  I'd not go
>>with an S.U. for that reason.  If you want a good start, try the
>>40mm Delorto slider.  I think Riveria Engineering still sells them.

>How 'bout elaborating about the advantages of different carbs on big twins?
>For example, what does "Constant Velocity" really mean?  What's S.U. ?
>I'd also like to know if Delorto is American-made.
>The only 40mm I'd heard of before is Jap. (Mikuni or Mikuno?)

>I'm also wondering if anyone has any experience with after-market
>fuel-injection set-ups for HD.

<<<* Way to go ! Some real *tech talk* to sick my brain on ! That's what I 
    thought this type of group should really be on about all along.
     I would like to thank the original poster for his thoughts but I still
     haven't got a good idea (beyond the original thought) about exactly
     how to go about this manifold fabrication and carb choice.
     Any further discussion along these lines would be most welcome.
     I know it (my bike) ain't a Harley but it is a big thumpin' V-twin
     and if I had $15,000.00 (Ozdollars) it would be an FXR-Sp youbethcha !
  
> Paul Bell   /  /__     "The stars at night           Motorola Computer Group
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From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: The Best
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:06:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.151809.1@hmcvax.claremont.edu> mulman@hmcvax.claremont.edu (Mike Ulman) writes:

>In article <sallyg.68@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul21.194522.19397@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <sallyg.62@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:
>>>|> Just wanted to post to AGAIN say, "Harvey's the BEST."
>>>|> 
>>>|> Sal
>> 
>>>Sal, how nice of you to say so; he'll be so pleased to hear it!
>> 
>>>-- 
>> 
>>>    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> O.K., O.K.  So my finger got on the wrong key (I must admit that was  
>> stupid).  I'll try again . . . HARLEYS ARE THE BEST!  There, now I feel 
>> better!!!
>> 
>> Sal


>As a student at Harvey Mudd College I agree that Harvey's the best. As a person
>dreaming of riding a Harley I can also say that Harley's the best.  Can't say
>I've ever met Gretchen however.

>Mike

>*******************************************************************************
>*  Mike Ulman                                   714-621-8555-2052             *
>*  Harvey Mudd College                                                        *
>*  Department of Chemistry                 mulman@hmcvax.claremont.edu        *
>*  Claremont, CA 91711                                                        *
>*                                                    DoD#0634                 *
>*  "Its gotta be loud, I want it to roar                                      *
>*   I want it to blow everyone in the show right off o'the floor..."          *
>*                                                       - Alice Cooper        *
>*  '80 Honda CM400T today, Softail Custom someday!                            *
>*******************************************************************************

Let's hear about Gretchen!
Sal
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