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From: ins818e@mdw030.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni)
Subject: Re: And then there were 4
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:51:13 GMT

In article <3099@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep7.093848.884@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins818e@mdw040.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni) writes:
>: >In article <92250.153755P85014@BARILVM.BITNET> P85014@BARILVM.BITNET (Anthony Waller) writes:
>: >
>: >>  Good luck to the boys from Moorabin, er Waverly - pretty good to
>: >                                           ^^^^^^^
>: >ARGH!!! It's WaverlEy!!!!  *sigh*
>: 
>: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  It's MOORABBIN!
>: 
>: 
>: Tom Marvan.
>
>	Thank God(#2 for melb, not the false idol from geelong) Tom and
>Pratap picked up these catastrophic errors.   
>	It sure is hard to understand what is meant by words misspelt
>as badly as the above example.
>	
>	Keep up the good work!
>
>					Colin

Well, we're doing our best for the "clever country" eh? (-;

-Pratap


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From: ins818e@mdw030.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni)
Subject: Re: Running too far
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.041614.20156@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins141f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Adam Bradley) writes:

>ANDREW DOCKERY (10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au) wrote:
>			 ^^^^
>		note your actual path is xxxxxxxx@eng.monash.edu.au

>***Other stuff deleted because I dd in vi once too often :)***

(-;
Be worldly wise and use emacs!

>:>of cases where players have "run their full distance" ( according to the
>:>unbiased commentators ) and not being caught.
>
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Probably came from the George Grilyasich (Appologies for the spelling here)
>  school of impartial commentry.   :)

Who's that?  

>Adam Bradley - 2nd Year Comp Sci            |       ///

Onya Bradders! (-;

-Pratap



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From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: Running too far
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:21:42 GMT

To all the people who reckoned that Karl Langdon got robbed when he
ran too far whilst kicking a goal and got pinned by the umpire...what
a load of shit!

He ran miles without bouncing the ball even once!!! He was under no pressure,
so if the ground was too soggy to bounce it, he had plenty of time to just
touch the ball on the ground. Even if he couldn't bounce the ball because
he was under pressure, that's no excuse. The rules state that you cannot
travel more than 15m without bouncing the ball...Karl Langdon certainly did
that, and got pinned, and rightfully so.

I reckon that this rule is not nearly enforced enough. I've seen plenty
of cases where players have "run their full distance" ( according to the
unbiased commentators ) and not being caught.

Perhaps the umps should look a lot more closely at this rule for next year,
eh?

Andrew

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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Brownless and Geelong
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:33:55 GMT

	Not a lot to say is there. 
	Sunday was confirmation that the Grand Final was played at
	Subiaco a week ago, and won by 13 points by WCE.
	Why do we have to bother with these formalities....
	Why were Hawthorn, WCE 4th and 5th.....
			?

	I hope no Geelong supporter was genuinely surprised by the game.

	tom
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From: eda537esys@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Chalmers
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:44:37 GMT



Interesting little article in the sun yesterday..saying that Adelaide 
had gone coldon Brett Chalmers because Richmond want 2 players for him....

what a joke..Did adelaide actually expect Richmond to hand him on a platter
to them with nothing in return....

P.S. how good is he....

Tim.
eda537esys@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Sunday's scores Part I 6/9/1992
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:53:41 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In the first game on Sunday, Geelong overcame a great start by Footscray to
cut a 5 goal deficit 1/2 way through the second quarter to defeat Footscray
by 61 points. Geelong kicked 17 goals to 3 from 1/2 way through the second
quarter. The final score was:

        Geelong 26.16 (172) defeated Footscray 17.9 (111)

More later.

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From: haines@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Andrew Haines, Civil, 1/113)
Subject: Sumich and West Coast (was Re: Brownless and Geelong)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.023355.8085@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
>From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
>Subject: Brownless and Geelong
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:33:55 GMT
>	Not a lot to say is there.

Sigh. :(   Not a lot, except well played west Coast.
 
>	Sunday was confirmation that the Grand Final was played at
>	Subiaco a week ago, and won by 13 points by WCE.

Like last year's Grand Final was really played between Hawthorn and Geelong 
in the second semi-final, and won by Hawthorn by 3 points?!

>	Why do we have to bother with these formalities....

Yeah you're right.  West Coast's obviously, absolutely, far and away, by 
miles the best team left.  They only need to go through the motions, 
right? :^)

>	Why were Hawthorn, WCE 4th and 5th.....
>			?

Silly bloody question.  They didn't win enough games throughout the 
whole year.  I seem to recall the Weagles had a pretty bad start to the 
season, but have come home with a rush.  In fact I seem to recall they 
picked up about the same time SUMICH came back from injury.  He's a bloody 
good full forward, and is a vital part of Weagles line up (He kicked half 
the Weagles goals yesterday).  One of the commentators on 3LO yesterday 
said (something like): "Sumich is not in the same class as Dunstall and 
Lockett, but would not be disgraced in their company".  If (I said IF) he 
can be held in the Grand Final the Weagles are no certainties.

>
>	I hope no Geelong supporter was genuinely surprised by the game.
>
>	tom

<Deeper sigh than normal>  No Geelong supporter is EVER surprised when they 
lose :(   We just hope they learn from it and remove the digit next time.

GO CATS!!!  GO CATS!!

Andrew Haines                       \ "You're all individuals!"
Computer Systems Officer              \ "WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS!"
Monash University, Melbourne, Australia \ "I'm not!" Monty Python:Life of Brian
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Statistics
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:35:54 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
: 
: They note which team first gets the ball out of the centre and into their
: forward line following all centre bounces i.e. after each goal and at the
: start of each quarter.  It is a useful statistic as it shows which team
: is getting first attack following the bounce.  If a team has to continually
: attack from their backline following centre bounces, it takes much more
: effort and much more time for them to get the ball intoa scoring position.
: 
: Geoff.


	Gee, what else would be a good stat;
	howabout number of marks inside the fifty
	or counting the number of Three consequetive 
		successful passes for a team
	or maybe even 6 times the number of goals
		plus the number of behinds
	that's a pretty telling stat and gives the best indication
		of who's winning the game.
	Why make up abstract piffle to re reflect what the 
	scoreboard shows?
				Stats schmatts

				Colin



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From: ins818e@mdw041.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni)
Subject: Re: EAGLES VS CAT
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:27:53 GMT

In article <pete.716273889@marsh> pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:

>>   I'm going to the game on Sunday, will be interesting to see the
>>  crowd reaction (90% for Geelong) if the Weagles win... 
>>   Gavin Patrick.
>>   T9014192@phillip.ed.au.
> 
> Would you be suprised if it was dissapointment .... IDIOT.


Well I don't think that ANY sane person was surprised at the result - VERY
predictable.  Eagles all the way!!  And this was without Heady & Brennan.
De poor widdle Victowians!!!  Awwwww!!!!  Lets all givem a hug when de 
Eagles win the flag.  (-;

-Pratap

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From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: EAGLES VS CAT
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:22:13 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <pete.716273889@marsh>, pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples) writes:
>>   I'm going to the game on Sunday, will be interesting to see the
>>  crowd reaction (90% for Geelong) if the Weagles win... 
> 
>>   
>>   Gavin Patrick.
>>   T9014192@phillip.ed.au.
>  
>  Would you be suprised if it was dissapointment .... IDIOT.

   Hey dickhead, I wanted to see how Cat fans would act, especially
  considering how overconfident they were.

   Would they turn on their players, turn on each other then spit the
  dummy and leave early?

   They did all of the above and more.
   
   Even Ablett was abused.
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:11:27 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation


 dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac Nally) :

>
>The news traffic concerning Carlton's 'unluckiness' is
>all too true. Some of the major points you may wish to
>consider are:
>                  {etc}
>The AFL needs to abolish percentage as a way of separating
>teams on the ladder.
>                  {etc}
> I mean, would Hawthorn have
>ousted Carlton or St Kilda on any criterion except damnable
>percentage????
>
>Ralph

There's really no justification for anyone to whinge about their team not
making the finals. If a team can't end the season in the top six by any means
of reckoning, then it obviously has not been a consistent force throughout the
year and does not deserve a chance to take the flag. (In most cases a team
scraping into sixth place would not be in the same class as the top couple of
sides anyway, though this year may have been the exception to that).

In my opinion, there should be a final four again, as it would place more
importance on the minor round, and give the teams who have maintained the best
form over the year a better chance of taking the flag by having less finals
opponents to contend with. Obviously, this will never happen because of various
promotional and financial reasons, as well as the fact that the uncertainty of
six finals teams and all the possibilities of different outcomes is better for
the fans. I suppose it comes down to: if the game is for the clubs and players,
then a final four would be fairer, if the game is for the fans, then a final
six is the way to go.

David Mudge
mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Statistics
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:19:19 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation


 gordon@cs.uwa.oz.au (Gordon Royle) :

>In my opinion the statistics are meaningless in Australian Rules.
>
>It seems to be an attempt to quantify a game, like baseball and 
>American football can be quantified.
>
>Trouble is, it just doesn't work.
>
>Firstly, the statistics are usually very even - for example at the
>end of the first quarter of the WCE/Carlton game, the stats were almost
>the same, but the score was 30 points+ in the Eagles favour....
>
>Secondly, statistics like "number of handpasses" count equally a
>constructive drive downfield and a desperate scramble deep in defence
>where lots of useless handpasses are made. Similarly for kicks etc.
>
>Cheers
>
>Gordon

Hear, hear! Stats also don't distinguish between someone who dives into packs
to get a hard-earned handball out (e.g. John Platten) and someone who hangs out
wide on the wing for an easy kick (e.g. Simon Tregenza).

David Mudge
mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
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From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: WEAGLES
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:05:49 GMT

Although the WEAGLES look strong, they are by no means a certainty in the GF.  
Consider this scenario:

A soggy Melboune GF day, and the MCG is heavy underfoot, making ballhanding 
and accurate disposal difficult. The talented WEAGLES would have their 
strengths compromised as a result. I don't think they would stand
 a chance, particularly if they play Footscary under such conditions.

They are by no means home and hosed.  May all Vicos pray for a downpour next
 week.  Failing this, can it be arranged to have the ground watered on GF eve?

Seano.
From: sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: SANFL results: PLEASE
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:04:41 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Sep15.153456.25018@athena.mit.edu> gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle) writes:
>Come on,
>Even one of you Vics could open the Age and get the results for
>me.  There must be someone from SA on the net or have you all gone
>into hibernation now the Crows have finished.
>
>Guy
>Cambridge MA (A very long drop punt from Prospect Oval)

I'm not sure of the exact scores, but here is a rough scoreline for the
two games played on the weekend.

Elimination Final
Glenelg (24.15   159) defeated South Adelaide (15.10 100) by 59 points
Mansell 5 goals, Murphy 4 goals

Qualifying Final
Eagles (23.16 154) defeated North Adelaide (7.10 52) by 102 points!!!!


Pity about the Roosters, Guy. They come up against the mighty Bays,
who boast an awesome forward line including John Fidge, Rod Jameson and
Michael Murphy. Bye bye Roosters, bye bye Nunan. (If you haven't heard,
Mike Nunan announced his retirement (effective after the finals) before
the last minor round game!)


The Magarey medal was won by Nathan Buckley (Port) who polled 27 votes
ahead of Glenelg's Andrew McKay (16) and North's Brodie Atkinson (16).
-- 
Sanjay Mazumdar
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: And then there were 4
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:53:35 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
: In article <1992Sep7.093848.884@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins818e@mdw040.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni) writes:
: >In article <92250.153755P85014@BARILVM.BITNET> P85014@BARILVM.BITNET (Anthony Waller) writes:
: >
: >>  Good luck to the boys from Moorabin, er Waverly - pretty good to
: >                                           ^^^^^^^
: >ARGH!!! It's WaverlEy!!!!  *sigh*
: 
: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  It's MOORABBIN!
: 
: 
: Tom Marvan.

	Thank God(#2 for melb, not the false idol from geelong) Tom and
Pratap picked up these catastrophic errors.   
	It sure is hard to understand what is meant by words misspelt
as badly as the above example.
	
	Keep up the good work!

					Colin
From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Hawks revisited
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:35:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Hey, two weeks ago I said Hawthorn wouldn't win the flag. Then I got told
in no uncertain terms that I shouldn't write them off, both here and by
email. I have learnt my lesson:


	Don't write Hawthorn off. Being out of the comp just makes it a
        bit harder. They, being a simply awesome team, can still do it.


Andrew Davies, Physics, Melbourne Uni

P.S.  :=)
P.S.S. To the Hawks fan who complained about the umpiring, to this neutral
fan (who wanted both sides to lose), the two worst decisions _both_ cost
the Eagles certain goals. (Langdon running too far, and Lewis not getting
50m when Collins grabbed hin around the neck and threw him to the ground
when 55m from goal.)
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Geelong can't handle pressure
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.133250.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, satkinso01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
|> Poor old Geelong, when the pressure is on they fall apart.
|> When Brownless plays good he really plays well but when he
|> plays a bad game like on Sunday he really has a dirty game.

	More, when Brownless has no opposition... (etc)

|> If the final is between the Eagles and Geelong, whats the 
|> likelyhood of a full house at the MCG considering that last 
|> year it had to take the threat of a strike to sell out the 
|> grand final at the smaller capacitity Waverly ground.  Will 
|> all of Geelong travel into Melbourne and fill up the ground.
|> 

	There were 71,000 at MCG on Sunday, 12,000 more than 
	the Saturday game.  Whatever you say, I would say
	that the GF was a certain sell-out, it's Footscray
	who nobody is interested in.
	The Fiztroy Bulldogs... some of us can only dream.

|> Eagles for the Flag!!!
|> 
	Yep, and Flag #1 for 'interstate' football.  Little thanks
	to Victoria

|> Jason.
|> 

	tom
 
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Statistics
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:49:26 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH) writes:

: Hello.  I run a e-mail Aussie Rules game and I've been dying to find a
: useful statistic (and kicks/balls/etc doesn't seem to cut it.)
: 
: Could someone please explain how Centre Square Breaks is calculated, and
: perhaps a second opion or two on whether it's worthwhile?
: 
: Mel

	I think the commentators divide the team's score by the number of
knock outs by the oppositions ruck man - thus giving the CSB.
	Note the random element is introduced by the commentaters ability 
with numbers.

2nd opinion - more useless, more arbitrary than any other stat.

					Colin
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Geelong v Hawthorn
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:50:29 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep9.104718.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, satkinso@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.103521.12975@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
>> 	Geelong should be a happy side after Sunday.
>> 	They have beaten Hawthorn once in 12 (at least, I think)
>> 	AFL premiership matches.  Here are some losses over
>> 	5 years.....
>> 	
>> 	1987 R22 	: 17.21 to 19.12 by 3 points
>> 		(this kept Geelong, 6th out of the finals,
>> 		half a game behind Melbourne who were in the middle
>> 		of a streak...)
>> 
>> 	1988 Night GF 9.13 to 10.10 by 3 points
>> 
>> 	1989 Day GF 21.12 to 21.18 by 6 points
>> 
>> 	Last year they beat them in another close final
>> 	(haven't got it here), and all-in-all Hawthorn
>> 	is not a popular opponent for the non-masochist
>> 	Geelong supporters....
>> 
>> 	that was just for fun,
>> 
>> 	tom
>> 
>> 	(nobody really enjoys Hawthorn)
       
        Geelong is going to thrash Hawthorn next time they meet which would
        probably be after 1992 Geelong premiership.> 
        A.J
From: george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tazmanian Devil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Scores???
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:29:38 GMT
Organization: Tazmanian Devil Appreciation Society

Howdy!

Does there happen to be an unfortunate soul right now down under stuck at the
computer instead of watching the footy that would kindly update a few of us
here in the states on the going of the game between Saint Kilda and Footscray?

I seem to not be able to pick up the game on shortwave radio, and I know of
a Saints supporter that would kill to find out how his team is doing (andI
am just naturally curious).

Well, please email any updates to george@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Thanks...

Also, any info on the frequencies we can pick up Radio Australia here in the
states would be GREATLY appreciated...we found up they changed them recently.

George


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From: satkinso@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Geelong v Hawthorn
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.103521.12975@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
> 	Geelong should be a happy side after Sunday.
> 	They have beaten Hawthorn once in 12 (at least, I think)
> 	AFL premiership matches.  Here are some losses over
> 	5 years.....
> 	
> 	1987 R22 	: 17.21 to 19.12 by 3 points
> 		(this kept Geelong, 6th out of the finals,
> 		half a game behind Melbourne who were in the middle
> 		of a streak...)
> 
> 	1988 Night GF 9.13 to 10.10 by 3 points
> 
> 	1989 Day GF 21.12 to 21.18 by 6 points
> 
> 	Last year they beat them in another close final
> 	(haven't got it here), and all-in-all Hawthorn
> 	is not a popular opponent for the non-masochist
> 	Geelong supporters....
> 
> 	that was just for fun,
> 
> 	tom
> 
> 	(nobody really enjoys Hawthorn)
> 
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