From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: no more images in rec.roller-coaster
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:00:36 GMT


Well, I really didn't want to waste bandwidth by posting my opinion on
something like this, but it surely seems to be an upcoming issue for the
group...  I'm not ever sure there is an answer to this in something like
the FAQ.

For those of you who would rather not read this, I'm sure 'n' is only a
keystroke away...


In article <1hkqjsINNmoc@hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com> allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin) writes:
>In article <P6582@MK.maus.de>, Thorsten_Kitz@mk.maus.de (Thorsten Kitz) writes:
>> I really appreciate Allyn posting the images of some really weird coasters,
>> but I can't afford so much traffic, because my Usenet-News feed is
>> in England and I make an international call every day to get the latest
>
>i am really sorry to have caused you or anybody else undue hardship.
>i have seen images and binary files posted here recently (for example,
>ken denton's 9-part gif of drachen fyre) without negative comments.

I also did not see any posts against the idea -- most seemed to be
more like "how can I better get hold of this" and related topics.  To
me, it seems like this one person is the only objector to binaries being
posted out here -- the rest of us just use our 'n' or 'e' keys as
appropriate.

>i based my decision to cross-post to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and
>rec.roller-coaster on the following reasons:
>
>it didn't occur to me that there would be sites where large postings
>to rec.roller-coaster would be unwanted.

From the tones of the original posters comments, it's not the site that
has the problem with it, it is the subscriber -- at least, that's the
impression I got from it.

>> If you don't mind, please put the images on a public FTP-site, so
>> everybody can get them, but do not post them to this normally non-binary
>> newsgroup.
>
>ken denton <sysop@elan.glassboro.edu> is in the process of setting up an
>ftp site of roller coaster images.  i have already talked to him
>about adding my images to his site when he gets it set up.

I, too, am waiting for this... but this goes off to my previous post of
"splitting the group to avoid issues like this from coming up" -- as of
today, I have received NO response on it; email or otherwise.

>however, it doesn't solve the problem of how users with no access
>to ftp could pick up images.  perhaps ken (in his free time :-) could 
>also set up an email server.

That would be cool... except for the fact that they all seem to have
problems -- I have yet to see one that operated smoothly and
efficiently.  I would assume that they require a great deal of
maintenance...

>in any case, it appears that images are not welcome in rec.roller-coaster.
>from now on, i will post images only to alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and
>post a pointer to each image in rec.roller-coaster.  does that meet
>with everyone's approval?

My vote:  NO.

I do not understand why this person has such a hard time using his
"skip" key -- I use mine effectively, otherwise I could not get through
the volume of messages that I do in an afternoon.

I've already emailed this person asking for the reasoning behind their
objection and have received no reply as of yet -- and I caught the
original message minutes after it posted here.

Sorry, I guess I'm being over-critical.  All the other groups that I
subscribe to have a real nasty habit of business-as-usual and not
giving any one person any sort power over what goes on with the group.
That is, a message like this original one would tend to incite a flame
list of about a hundred messages.


My main objections to posting the pictures in alt.binaries.pictures:
1.  This group is for roller-coasters and the discussion arising from
    such -- a picture of a coaster is pretty specific and still pertains
    to the discussion group.  There is no reason why it should be
    disallowed or frowned upon.
    If there is a problem with this, I think that we should think of
    finding a way to split the group (maybe a bit extreme, but
    effective.)
2.  Alt.binaries.pictures  is a mess of a group and often quite a
    newsfeed.  Sorry, but I don't want to wade through that mess to
    pull out a few coaster pictures.  To say the least, that group gets
    A LOT of traffic, on average -- and postings there are often split
    between threads (and the group is too large to thread effectively).
3.  One person has never had this much effect on such a large group;
    especially when telling them to stop a certain portion of their
    "discussion or thread" because they personally did not want to see
    it.  I don't understand why it should start now, although the
    gesture <is> quite pleasant.

Do I need to calm down and take some valium or does this make any
semblance of sense?  I'm sorry... I'm getting over a cold and not too
hospitable right now...

NFP

RiViT

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