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From: eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias)
Subject: Ice-T & Bodycount @ Catalyst
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:04:01 GMT

holy cow that band can rock.  but if you've heard
the albums, you knew that already.  i won't post any of the 
setlist song titles since they are too scary for some people.  ;)
first live thrash show i've seen, 
also the first time i saw Ice-T live.  he referred to 
being sick and showing up anyway - his voice was cracking big time
between songs.  i didn't stay till the end but found the music
just fine, but of course way too loud.  i didn't see any free Cop-Killer
45 records - i thought he was to be giving those away free.

anyway, this show made the previous loudest rock show i'd seen
at the Catalyst sound like the fuckin Waltons theme song by comparison.
with earplugs, it was still way loud.  the dB meter was gone from
the soundboard when Bodycount hit the stage.  i think i saw Ice-T
himself sitting at the board watching the earlier bands.
and i thought DRI was a computer company...

i was amazed at the apparent thrash protocol of 
-- audience pit dude or chick gets up on edge of stage and
either dives off or waits for one of the bandmembers to shove
them off of the stage.  haven't seen much of this at Dead shows...  

Ice-T hassled the non-pit crowd for being "soft", and yelled
for some contact in the pit.  during the next song i saw vast
injuries being obtained in and near the pit, so i guess it worked out.

he was also yelling a lot about the Petaluma police, i guess
they picketed one of his shows.  

gotta go now and listen to the new Neil Young album about 17 
times so i can mellow out from the show some time this month...

/eli

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From: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Newsgroups: alt.food,rec.food.cooking,ba.food
Subject: Re: The Frugal Gourmet
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:58:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
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Cc: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet



To 'la1002@albnyvms.bitnet' (and why I waste my time to reply to such a
    ----------------------   beast individual is beyond me, maybe its
			     to make another point...)

If you would have read my message, you would have realized (maybe..) that
the topic was not 'Lets bash the fruge because "I" disagree with his style'
It was "Can someone please help me get ahold of his address."  I have no
idea what prompted your obnoxious attack, but don't you think the other
people reading this group have better things to do than read your
useless, off-topic replies?  I don't know about you, but I don't generally
respond to messages posted by others unless what I have to say has some
relevance to the message I am replying to.  You should probably keep this
in mind for future reference.  Thanks so much for wasting our time.
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From: Edge of insanity c/o Abyss of ignorance (Lisa Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Same Old Path
Followup-To: alt.divination
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:36:11 GMT
Organization: Chaotic Goods
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cemmac15.cem.msu.edu

     After consulting a R.W. deck, I have discovered my Tarot of the Old
Path deck is pretty much the same. It has 78 cards, 4 suits, (Pentacles,
Swords, Rods, and Cauldrons.) each ace through 10 then Page, Knight, Queen,
King, and 22 Major Arcana. The biggest difference is the way the scenes are
depicted and the names of some of the Major Arcana, i.e. Hierophant is High
Priest, Chariot is Mastery, Hermit is Wise One, Hanged Man is Lone Man,
Death is The Close, Temperance is The Guide, The Devil is Temptation, The
Moon is Illusion, and Judgement is Karma. All in all it's a beautiful deck
of cards and quite unique as well I'm told. I'd probably appreciate it more
if I'd already gone through a few traditional decks first. I assume it
would be a nice change after all that.   
     I'd really like to hear what an experienced owner of this particular
deck thinks of it in terms of readability and uniqueness.
     O.k. folks, I signed up for the class today. Basic Tarot. The
instructor has 19 years experience and her own radio show (is this
necessarily a good thing?) here in our *lovely capitol city* (SNICKER!).
She also tours the country and does cruise ships, slices, dices, and makes
jullian fries. Sorry. It's 3:15 a.m. If anyone cares I'll let you know if I
actually learn something. Thanks for the input!

     Blessings, Lisa Ann, or she who is perpetually lost.


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     I'm not sure where I'm going, but that's o.k. Half the fun is getting
there. -me.   Nevermind the map. I'd never get the damn thing folded back
up anyway! -me again.   And here's to people who make up sigs. at 3:30
a.m.! May they still respect themselves in the morning. -anon.      
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From: Vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Lisa  Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Greasy decks?
Followup-To: alt.divination
Date: 10 Jan 1993 07:48:21 GMT
Organization: Chaotic Goods
Distribution: world
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In article <C0LK60.7Cr@lysator.liu.se>, ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia
Henningsson) wrote:
> 
> I'm currently reading Zsuszanna Budapest's
> _The_Holy_Book_of_Women's_Mysteries_. 

    I've read her other two books, "Grandmother Time" and "Grandmother
Moon". I very much enjoyed both except for her obvious negative attitude
towards men in general. I'm still trying to get ahold of "T.H.B.O.W.M.". 

> 
> What I really wanted to ask about was that she recommends using a
> "cleansing oil" before touching the cards. There were several oils
> mentioned as cleansing, but the only one I can remember right now, was
> van-van oil. Do people do this? If so, how do you prevent the cards
> from getting greasy and stained? Or do you accept greasy cards? Maybe
> it even enhances the deck for you? I'm really curious about this
> recommendation. 
> 
     Seems to me you'd have a mess on your hands. A friend uses sandlewood
oil to annoint her ouija board before use and it makes it really
sticky.(She tries to do it in the corner where it won't interfere with the
plachette's 'slideability'.)  I would assume it would make your cards stick
together since it gets tacky after it's exposed to air for a while.

> _The_Holy_Book_of_Women's_Mysteries_ isn't really a book I would
> recommend to people who don't have ready access to an occult store.
> It's frustrating to read about all these fancily named oils without
> getting the chance to smell them. It does have very interesting ideas
> concerning the interpretation of many Tarot cards, though.
>
> --Ceci  
 
    There are only new age type stores in my area. I order everything from
catalogs. There's one in particular that has a HUGE selection of oils I've
never heard of before. I realize you can't smell them first, but at least
you can get ahold of them. I don't have the address with me, but I can post
it if you like. Also, you might try the Yellow Pages under gourmet food
supplies. A local gourmet store carries oils you don't normally see. 

     Blessings, Lisa Ann, or she who is perpetually lost.

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     I'm not sure where I'm going, but that's o.k. Half the fun is getting
there! -me.   Nevermind the map. I'd never get the damn thing folded back
up anyway. -me again.   And lets hear it for people who make up sigs. at
3:30 a.m. May they still respect themselves in the morning. -anon.
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Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Greasy decks?
Keywords: budapest, oil, cleansing, grease
Organization: Lysator ACC at Linkoping University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:20:22 GMT

I'm currently reading Zsuszanna Budapest's
_The_Holy_Book_of_Women's_Mysteries_. In it there is a section about
divination, and rather a lot about how she uses the Tarot for
divination. She is the first person I've heard of who doesn't attach
any special meaning to if a card is reversed. 

What I really wanted to ask about was that she recommends using a
"cleansing oil" before touching the cards. There were several oils
mentioned as cleansing, but the only one I can remember right now, was
van-van oil. Do people do this? If so, how do you prevent the cards
from getting greasy and stained? Or do you accept greasy cards? Maybe
it even enhances the deck for you? I'm really curious about this
recommendation. 

_The_Holy_Book_of_Women's_Mysteries_ isn't really a book I would
recommend to people who don't have ready access to an occult store.
It's frustrating to read about all these fancily named oils without
getting the chance to smell them. It does have very interesting ideas
concerning the interpretation of many Tarot cards, though.

--Ceci
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"There is a mysterious tendency for four fingers or toes 
 to look like five." 
      Claude Harrison in_The_Portrait_Painter's_Handbook_
From: Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of Ignorance (Lisa Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Ciaran, hi!
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:51:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.divination
Organization: Chaotic Goods
NNTP-Posting-Host: cemmac02.cem.msu.edu


     Thanks for the info to you and to all. I should have mentioned that my
best friend does Tarot so I'm not *completely* ignorant. I even know a
couple of different layouts. I also know enough not to take things
literally. (Death being a perfect example!) I do runes so I get the basic
idea. I just have alot of symbolism to learn and I need to get a "feel" for
it.
     How many cards are in a R.W. deck?
     
     Ciaran, my E-mail address is  vossdavi@student.msu.edu  I'm new with
it so please be patient with me! 

     Bountiful blessings, Lisa Ann, or she who is perpetually lost

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     I'm not sure where I'm going, but that's o.k. Half the fun is getting
there!  -me
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From: jrd@bnr.co.uk (J.R.Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Unusual deck
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:07:54 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
Distribution: world
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A friend of mine has an unusual deck of cards she used for
fortune-telling.  I'm not sure what they are called,  or where she got
them.  The deck contains 36 cards, all of which are unique, and not
organized into suits.  They all have pictures and text, similar to the
'normal' Tarot major arcana.  The cards are small (about 3" by 2") and
printed in colour.  She uses all 36 cards in readings, and has never used
'normal' Tarot cards.

Anyone know any more about these cards?  Anyone used anything like this?

			-jrd

Internal:  John Davis - Sysmgr HK10-14 - T4E East end HAL02 - Ext. 3618
External:  J.R.Davis@bnr.co.uk - +44 (0)279 403618
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Ciaran, hi!
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:57:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan6.221712.14630@cs.sfu.ca> jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.210628.28948@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>>The R.W. deck, like most Tarot decks consist of 80 cards.  14 * 4 = 56
>>court cards + 24 Trumps.
>
>     Oops...  you mean 14 * 4 = 56 court cards + 22 Trumps = *78* cards.

Sorry, I get used to saying "80" because it's close enough and is
easier to remember than "78".


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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Tarot of the Old Path
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:48:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1ig2f4INN8pm@usenet.pa.dec.com> dantonio@flashy.tay2.dec.com writes:
>There are actually several differently coloured versions of the
>Waite/Smith deck available, some of which I find quite nice. The
>course instructors probably wanted to make sure everyone had a similar
>deck so as not to have to worry about someone piping up, "But my deck
>says Coins instead of Pentacles" or whatever.

There are also R/W varient decks that are uncolored, to allow you to add
your own personal color schemes :)
r.
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Tarot of the Old Path
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN

In article <030193024853@cemmac19.cem.msu.edu>, Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of 
Ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
> Here's the million dollar question.
> Should I stick with the only deck that's ever inspired me to learn? Should
> I purchase a Rider Waite deck for the class and figure out the difference
> when the course is over?

  Why not find a class where the deck is not important for the
focus of the course?  The classes I took (about a year and a half
worth,) went through about twenty decks during the course of the
class -- so here's the Four of Cups, symbol of our land, you 
can put it in your pocket, you can hold it in your hand, and
here's some examples of the ways folks represent the concepts
that are fundimental to the card.  Here's a deck that brought
out the ennui, here's a deck that focused on the Khabalistic
elements, and here's a deck that completely missed the point.

  By the time the class was over, each of us had come up with
a deck which we prefered (much like your's, it "leapt out" during
the course, and made the readings easy and immediate and very,
very powerful without resorting to anyone's notes,) and a collection
of about 3 or 4 decks that we were familiar enough with that we
could do quicky readings without that kind of "uhm, oh yea"
disorientation that you can get when you switch decks.

  If you've found a deck that speaks to you, and makes reading
fun, then I'd say stay with it and make it one of your best
friends.  Wear it out, bend the corners, use it until the
images fade and become misty ghosts.  I'm serious.  Really
let it get inside of you like a good pair of tennis-shoes or
an old pair of jeans.

  Lisa, if you'd like to talk more off-line, that'd be cool.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

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Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... don't worry about it.  I'm a radical-eco-feminist, so my opinions
        don't count anyway."
From: dantonio@magick.enet.dec.com (David D'Antonio)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Tarot of the Old Path
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:53:40 GMT
Organization: None to speak of...
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In article <030193024853@cemmac19.cem.msu.edu>, Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of Ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
[...]
|>     I've always been interested in learning how to read tarot cards, but
|>the thought of trying to keep the meanings of all those different cards
|>straight gave me a headache. After years of resisting the urge, a deck
|>absolutely screamed  "BUY ME! BUY ME NOW!!!" Ah, well. So here I am with
|>this perfectly lovely deck I know nothing about. The Tarot of the Old Path.
|>As if that weren't bad enough, I've been told it differs from the
|>traditional decks a bit. 

Can you tell (or did they say) how it differs from traditional decks?
Does it follow the Crowley/Thoth attributions/names? Does it have the same
number of cards or did they add in/remove some? If the differences are
"trivial", I can't see any reason not to use it.

|>     The point, the point. I know it's here somewhere! Ah, yes. A local
|>bookstore  specializing in such matters is offering a six week course for
|>very green tarot users such as myself. They recommend, however, a Rider
|>Waite deck for the class to learn on. Here's the million dollar question.
|>Should I stick with the only deck that's ever inspired me to learn? Should
|>I purchase a Rider Waite deck for the class and figure out the difference
|>when the course is over? Is anyone else familiar with the Tarot of the Old
|>Path? Was this a bad choice for my first deck? (They did practically hurl
|>themselves off the shelf and into my resisting hands, afterall!)  I would
|>deeply appreciate any advice on the matter. I should also mention that I
|>REALLY dislike the R.W. deck. No offence meant to those who like it.

There are actually several differently coloured versions of the
Waite/Smith deck available, some of which I find quite nice. The
course instructors probably wanted to make sure everyone had a similar
deck so as not to have to worry about someone piping up, "But my deck
says Coins instead of Pentacles" or whatever.

If the deck inspires you, use it! However, if the course REQUIRES a
Waite/Smith deck, check out either the Universal or the Albano decks.
They might be easier on your eyes.

|>     Blessings, Lisa Ann (Or she who is perpetually lost)

DDA

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Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: Unusual deck
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:57:29 GMT

In article <1irkeaINNsc6@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk> jrd@bnr.co.uk (J.R.Davis) writes:
>  The deck contains 36 cards, all of which are unique, and not
>organized into suits.  They all have pictures and text, similar to the
>'normal' Tarot major arcana.  The cards are small (about 3" by 2") and
>printed in colour.  She uses all 36 cards in readings, and has never used
>'normal' Tarot cards.
>Anyone know any more about these cards?  Anyone used anything like this?

     I can't identify the deck from the description you give,
but there are a *lot* of different decks of fortune-telling
cards on the market these days.  I've seen:
- Rune cards (Norse based)
- I Ching cards (Chinese based)
- Medicine cards	\__both Native North American based
- Sacred Path cards	/
- Russian Gypsy fortune-telling cards
- Cartouche cards (Egyptian based)
- various Tarot decks, some almost unrecognizable
- lots of others I can't think of offhand

     Most decks are based on some given artistic, cultural, or
religious tradition.  Can you remember what the imagery was like?

--Jamie.
  jamie@cs.sfu.ca
"The Tao's net encompasses the whole universe."  - tao te ching
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Same Old Path
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 02:44:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <-080193033057@cemmac15.cem.msu.edu> Edge of insanity c/o Abyss of ignorance (Lisa Ann) writes:
>     I'd really like to hear what an experienced owner of this particular
>deck thinks of it in terms of readability and uniqueness.

Most of what makes a particular deck readable is not the particular deck, I've
seen people do a reading with a deck of blank cards, one with a deck of regular
playing cards. 
What makes readability is the reader. Some decks are good for Some people,
Some decks are better for Other people :)

Unique? Dunno about that. Its different, but not unique. There are a couple of
really unique decks out there- the Secret Dakini Oracle is one, There is another
one, but I don't remember what its called, it has hand drawn pictures on it
like 'Do-Wacky-Do' and funky stuff like that- quite a unique deck there :)

The point is that if you've found a deck that you like, stick with it and enjoy. :)
peace
r.
From: tinoke@uta.fi (Noora Kero)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Tarot of the Old Path
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:20:15 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

> I've always been interested in learning how to read tarot cards,
 
        Yeah, I share this with you.
 
> After years of resisting the urge, a deck absolutely screamed  "BUY
> ME! BUY ME NOW!!!" Ah, well.
 
        After days of thinking "I really should go downtown and buy me a
        deck", I rode my bike downtown and screamed "I wanna get a
        deck!". I chose the "Aleister Crowley Thoth Tarot" deck, a
        stadard thing I think.
        One thing that disappoints me in the deck is that it doesn't
        have the pentacles group. But someone on IRC told me that the
        coins or some other group replaces the pentacles.
 
> I've been told it differs from the traditional decks a bit.
 
        Maybe it differs in the same way as mine. Maybe there's some
        group of cards that means the same as the missing group but has
        different symbols.
 
> They recommend, however, a Rider Waite deck for the class to learn on.
> Should I stick with the only deck that's ever inspired me to learn?
> Should I purchase a Rider Waite deck for the class and figure out the
> difference when the course is over?
 
        If I were you, I'd attend the class with the deck you have,
        because you love the deck, and shouldn't change to some deck
        that all the others use but seems disgusting to you. So what if
        it's a bit different, from what I've read in this group you deck
        does have the standard number of cards...
 
> Is anyone else familiar with the Tarot of the Old Path?
 
        This is a good place to put a disclaimer in!
 
        I know practicly NOTHING about Tarot, new or old, and just
        bought my deck two days ago, so everything I personally wrote in
        this article is based on my opinions, I have the right of having
        opinions.
 
 
 
        Oh, and some minor thing here:
        I have been doing 'readings' with my own methods because I
        haven't read any instructions yet ('cause I didn't get a booklet
        with my deck), so I've just picked cards from the deck, playing
        with the deck so that the cards that want to come out from the
        deck show their existence in some way (popping out, dropping,
        sticking to fingers). So in one 'reading' I pulled very may
        princesses and princes and queens from the deck, and the
        occasional 'normal' card. If someone has an opinion about this
        he/she would like to post, please do, I'd love to hear from you!
 
 
Possible_email_to: luikero@pcuf.fi
 
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: Ciaran, hi!
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:17:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.210628.28948@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>The R.W. deck, like most Tarot decks consist of 80 cards.  14 * 4 = 56
>court cards + 24 Trumps.

     Oops...  you mean 14 * 4 = 56 court cards + 22 Trumps = *78* cards.

--Jamie.