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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: s.c.a.a. gatherings?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:28:17 GMT

In article <1givsvINNm2e@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>Was it this news group or another which had a 
>social gathering a while back somewhere up in
>the Berkeley hills?
>
>If there was such a picnic, how did it go?
>
>Sorry to the netters out in NY or IL;
>I don't mean to exclude you...
>
>-M. Aurelius Insularum
>
>========================================================
>I am not Arthur Hu. I am not Alan Hu. I am not Dwight Joe.
>I am not Chris Chan. I am not Diana Choi. I am not Clare Chu.
>I am not George Wu. (...) I'm M. Aurelius Insularum!
>
>
>

Yes, we've been holding parties and events out here with fair
regularity since last June, when Jim Pak flew out here for his
little sister's graduation from a superior institution of higher
learning.  Various SF Bay Area netters are talking about doing
another open, everybody-invited party some time early next year.
I encourage netters to come; we're a friendly, open-minded crowd
(at least in person!).  Details will get posted.  I also encourage
netters in other parts of the country to try putting on local scaa
gatherings; we've had a lot of fun out here.

BTW, a major annoyance of anonymous posting is that I can't respond
by email (like this post and lots of other "Nice post"-type comments
I've wanted to make).
					--Alan Hu
---------------------------------------------------------
People are starting to ask me who Arthur Hu is.  Arthur?
Are you still out there?
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:54:13 GMT

In article <71817@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Well, that's great
>- no one bothers to question 1 billion. Only the experts know.

	Arthur, no questions because it ISNT UNREASONABLE.

	Your math is as bad as your methodological rigor.

>- 1 billion isn't the same as 20% HIV+. Well, that's what ABC News said,
>  even over several generations, it's still 7-10% worldwide, which is
>  still absurd.

	Yes. Might be absurdly LOW.  

	DO THE MATH.  Over one century, calculate TOTAL DEATHS. THEN see
if it seems absurd.

>- My point is riducuolous prjections based on outlandish assumptions. There
> is no need to exaggerate the extent of the AIDS problem as there is no need
> to ignore it.

	You'd make your point more effectively if you would learn
some math.

	Oh, that's right. You're an engineer.  You don't have to learn
stuff like math or statistics.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: more stuff
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:48:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.230200.4006@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <1g99loINNaf3@agate.berkeley.edu> chrchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Christopher Chan) writes:
>	[Chris's gracious apology, face-saving (:-)) explanation,
>	 and thought-provoking reflections deleted.]
>							Then I figured,
>>you know, maybe some AF's take some sh*t from AM's.  Maybe not from
>>me or any other AM's I know, but maybe from some other AM.  So, we
>>have AM's taking sh*t from AF's and AF's taking sh*t from AM's.  Let's
>>cut the sh*t.  I'm Audi 5000.
>>
>>Chris Chan
>
>Hear hear!  (There, there!)  Let the shitting cease.
>
>I also wonder sometimes why Asian Americans seem so divisive.
>Seems like every time I turn around, some Asian-American females
>are bashing the Asian-American males for being sexist.  Or the
>Asian-American males are bashing the females for being white-washed.
>Or the Twinkies are bashing the FOBs.  Or the FOBs are bashing the
>Twinkies.  Or the Koreans are bashing the Japanese.  Or the Chinese

I don't want to have anything to do with the thread but an observation.
Casual mention of 'Koreans are bashing the Japanese' is highly innacurate
and misrepresentation.  Bashing implies attack on groundless matters, ill
feeling irrationally based on us vs them kind of mentality. So, such
casual mention of 'bashing' is out of touch within Asian American thread.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:35:52 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Racism in Tom and Jerry? You tell me....

Mr Wong writes:


> 
>I have been reading the posts on stereotypes and racism for a while now. Since
>I've been up for about 40 hours now, I think I'll throw something out onto 
>the net. 
> 
>The cartoon I'm talking about appears on the Tom and Jerry show, but is NOT
>Tom and Jerry. The first time I saw the episode was at least 10 years ago.
>At that point, it was uncut. The name of the episode was somthing like 'The
>Maestro.' It had to do with a magic wand that got used as a conductor's stick.
>The result was that a character went through many transformations. Some of the
>transformations included racial stereotypes. The "Little Black Sambo" showed
>up complete with big lips, big eyes, and white teeth. The "Chinaman" also made
>an appearance with teh character in a robe with the sleeves together, wearing
>a farmer's straw hat, and having squinty eyes and a Fu Manchu mustache. I saw
>the same episode last year and noticed that the black stereotype was
gone while
>the chinese one remained. I figured that (generalization coming) black people
>are more vocal when it comes to racial issues, and had protested or
complained.
>One more thing. Has anyone who reads Beetle Bailey noticed that corporal Yo's
>eyes are no longer squinted shut? I don't know if they still give him the 
>stereotypical japanese mindset tho....
> 
>Damn I need to sleep
 
Mr.Wong
 
Ya' know something else comes with age other than experience and that "Grace"
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11007 soc.culture.african.american:13087
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Texas State U Marching Band and Rodney King Looting
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:42:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

There's a tiff over the predominantly black Texas Southern U Band that
went on a looting rampage in the electronics shopping district in Tokyo.
Seemed they all blatantly grabbed stuff and ran back to the bus, where
the cops were all waiting, and they had to leave most of the stuff in
the aisle before they were allowed back into the airport. There were
remarks from students that "this makes America look bad, it makes the
school look bad, it makes the race look bad"

Now my question is that if the Rodney King looting was justified, is it
this same line of thought that motivated these students? And is it a
coincidnence that these were black kids? The Hispanics who went on a looting
spree just did it to get free stuff, but it was the Afri-mericans who 
said that it was a political statment against the Koreans.

Ann Landers just replied to a couple that wondered if they should be
embarassed that they met while looting that they were criminal animals,
and they ruined the business of the Koreans who put in their life savings.
Is Ann Landers being too harsh?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:38:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.173512.18893@sarah.albany.edu> ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.000541.19855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
	[Earlier thread deleted.]
>>From the 1990 US Census figures:
>>	White				80%
>>	Black				12%
>>	Hispanic			 9%
>>	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
>>	Native American			 1%
>>[stuff deleted]
>
>What is the criteria used to determine minority status? I have always assumed
>that it would be dependent upon population within a country...but, as Asians
>aren't considered a minority and yet our population is still well below that of
>African-Am. and Hispanics, I would like to know the definition of minority. 
>
>(excuse the incoherency of this post but it's finals time...ick...)
GOOD LUCK!
>
>-JS
	[Long sig deleted.]

Asian Americans *are* counted as minorities, especially when some places
are trying to bandy how multicultural they are.  On the other hand,
Asian Americans are frequently excluded from programs aimed at helping
"disadvantaged minorities".  This exclusion is based on the bimodal
nature of the Asian American population.  One group is primarily
highly-educated professional immigrants (who receive preference during
immigration) and their highly-educated US-born children.  This group,
thanks to the much-higher-than-average educational level, manages to earn
almost as much money as the average white person does.  The other mode
is a poor, marginalized, and ghettoized, living in communities with
lousy schools and few social services, working exploitive jobs, the works.

Some more enlightened programs are paying more attention to people's
economic condition, rather than some superficial and arbitrary racial
categorization.  But for most Americans, unfortunately, Asian Americans
are either these super-successful foreigners who are taking over our beloved
country, or else they're disgusting, dog-eating, welfare-dependent
parasites who are taking over our beloved country.
							--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:05:26 GMT
Keywords: Asian-Americans

I have been out of scaa for awhile and logging back in I found this
Asian clique thread interesting.  Reading scaa makes me think a lot more
about why I do what I do  (this could be good and it could be bad,
I just have to sign off when it gets too depressing her).  Anyway I cant
think very well now since I still suffer from happy lunch time drinking.
I guess beer/wire/eggnog/coke don't really mix well. (It is my boss
fault).

OK let me try again.  These are additional reasons why I joined Asian
clique:

1.  I sometime volunteeer at the Southeast Asian center here in chicago.
WE are mainly a service/nonprof. org with emphasis on serving the need
of Asians around the Chicago area.  By being around Asians I can
understand more of their social concerns which would help me be more
effective as a volunteer.  For example while AA parents are concerned
about their kids' education, not many of them know about the local
school reform where parents can sit in the local school council board
and help make policies that directly affect their kid's school.  

2.  For those of us out of school, the chance of meeting AA is kinda
slim (I am in the windy city not bay area).  So when I see other AA's
around we feel kinda close.  Ok you might think this is some kind of
bullshit but I am just speaking from my personal
observations/experiences.  For example last night at my volleyball
practice, there were me and 2 other AAF's out of maybe about 100
players (99% white).  I met one of the AAF's a long time ago but after practice we
all talked to one another (3 of us) as if we were already good friends.
Well they were both invited and said will come to my party in two weeks.
(Oh they teased about if they'd get to meet my AAM friends.  So any of
you Chicagoan AAM wanna come booggieing at Excalibur on 1/8/93 ...).

Oh well enough bs fr. me.

Dan

--
|       Daniel Lam  danl@comm.mot.com  Chicago, Il, USA        |  
|         ....  Volleyball, Rollerblade, Windsurf ....         |
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From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A question of "loyalty" & this marriage thing
Keywords: asian, american, racism
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:02:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 my parents say that I can marry any race I wish. 
They say the most important thing is that she loves me,
everything else is just details.

But if two girls *WERE ******EXACTLY EQUAL********* 
except for their  race, than they'd rather me marry
a korea only so the children can find more acceptance
in a group.

But as the years go by and the freq of mixed children increase,
even that consideration will become trivial.

- jon
From: (defensio libertatis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:20:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

In article 10986@nas.nasa.gov, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
> In article <1gaoreINN919@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defenso libertatis) writes:

> >"Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy? 
> >If not, why didn't you date a black guy or Latino if race
> >was not really an issue?"
> 
> But many of us did.  Right, ladies?  Why didn't we discuss this?  Actually,
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Clare Chu did.  The rest of probably refrained because the subject was AMCF 
> vs AFCM. 
> 
> diana

"Many of us did" meaning "Many of us did date blacks and latino men" or "Many of
us did" meaning many of us did answer the question "Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy?".

I looked for an answer to the latter question originally. Note: I'm am looking
for substantive answers to the question. By substantive, I mean: "Race was a slight/
major/non- issue in my decision to date/marry a white guy BECAUSE..." instead
of the unsubstantive answers like "Race was a slight/major/non- issue in my
decision to date a white guy [period]" (no explanation as to why it was/was not
an issue for that person.

(Boy--was that a muddle of words. Am I sounding more and more like the pre-law student that I once was or what?!)

Ciao.

-M. Aurelius Insularum

===============================================================
"De gustibus non est disputandum"




Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10736 alt.politics.clinton:18537
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec14.080115.15873
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec14.063145.2250@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>As regards the appointment of Asian-Americans to important posts in
>the new administration, 'twould be wonderful, but I think Bill is
>going about it the wrong way when he says he wants a cabinet that
>looks like America.
>If you rely on arbitrary characteristics such as race, you won't be
>able to please everyone.  Some group will inevitably feel
>underrepresented, so discount the issue entirely.  Hire in the most
>equitable fashion--hire the person who will best perform the duties of
>the office.

First task:  define qualified.

Second task: define the methodology of finding these qualified individuals.

Third task: think about it.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:44:30 GMT

In article <1go32jINN1fc@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>Recently, a poster mentions that since her son, who is Half
>Hispanic and Half Chinese (actually, might be Half Korean, 
>don't remember correctly), will be going to school soon, that
>she wants him to be bilingual, Spanish and English.  A
>question came to mind, "What about Chinese?" (or Korean)

  If my mother volunteers to take care of him, of course
  he'll learn Chinese.  But since I'm already second-generation,
  I don't speak Chinese very easily and very well unless I'm
  constantly with a Chinese speaking native.  I find it difficult
  to "force" myself to speak Chinese in a soliloquy.

  It's easier to pick up Spanish, especially in California,
  Besides he already has a headstart since he spends all his
  weekdays with his Spanish-speaking grandparents.
>
>Which leads me to my main question.  To all the Asian Americans
>out there, how much do you value your native (no...Asian) 
>Language (ie, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, those spoken in India
>(I'm not sure how to spell them), etc.etc.etc)?

  I know of some people who do send their daughter to a Chinese-speaking
  family for daycare and the daughter is learning Chinese AND teaching
  her nonChinese-ge father Chinese!  :-)
>
>From personal experience, I've known many ChineseAs who regret that
>their parents didn't force them to learn Chinese (note, I didn't use
>the word force by accident).  I've also known many who could care
>less.  I myself right now am trying relearn the handful of Cantonese
>I know.

  My parents didn't force us, they just didn't speak English at home!  :-)

>So I ask you, what will you want for your children?  In the growing
>interracial marriage scene, should we expect our children to learn
>3 or 4 different languages (Spanish/English/Chinese trilingual in the
>aforementioned poster's son's case).  (and lets keep this a friendly
>debate :)

  Please call my mom and ask her to volunteer.  So far, she says
  that she doesn't feel like moving from her house in the middle
  of oil refineries near South Central L.A.  BTW, we ARE moving
  from the South Bronx soon, so the Spanish-speaking grandparents
  will not be able to take care of him... (thus my question about
  bilingual daycare).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Keywords: asian american, media, WHINING!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:56:20 GMT

In article <Bz6Kyw.CKI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.213830.3854@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>On the other hand, if Mr. Park refers to East-Asian nations, then he
>>can't possibly be serious.  China and Korea had really lousy military
>>forces in the first half of this century.  Without American help (which
>>was repaid by Chinese-cu and Korean-cu troops killing American boys),
>And America didnt exist 500 years ago!
>You're using the same argument you accuse people of using wher comparing
>some point in time in China with the U.S.  
>
>You also, seem to forget that the Korean war was a result of political
>difference. Communism vs capitolism. and the fact that south Korea was
>on the U.S. (correction) U.N. side.
>
>
>>Japan would probably have retained much of China and all of Korea well
>>into the 21st century and beyond.
>Gee, I dont think the U.S. would have ALLOWED that.
>You might as well add Taiwan to that list.

  And there is a little harbor called Pearl too.
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: From the Stanford Daily #2 (Part I)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:27:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

parghi@cs.uiuc.edu (Amit Parghi) writes:

>I thought I'd save Alan Hu a bit of typing and post the second set of
>articles from the Stanford _Daily_.  This is the main article that appeared
>on the front page on December 1st.  The subsequent posting includes an
>article that appeared as a sidebar to this one.

>A lot of the issues discussed in these articles have been covered in this
>newsgroup in recent weeks, but the articles are still worth a read (if
>only for "Paul's" comments :-).

>	Fetishes for Asian females rooted in stereotypes, mystique.

>	by Carrie Chang
>	Editorial staff

[snip]

>				Geisha girls

>	Akiyama traces such stereotypes back to the way American troops
>	treated women in the Vietnam war, as well as the prostitution
>	of Asian women during the war as a historical factor which
>	fostered negative images.

>	"I think a lot of those men came back with very fixed ideas
>	about the desirability of Asian women because of their ability
>	to so fully exploit women in Vietnam during that time," she
>	said.

I was reading an excellent book by Marcinko called "Rogue Warrior".
I really respect Marcinko for his exploits as a SEAL, but I was
a little appalled by the way he referred to Asian women as LTBF's.
(Little Brown .. Machines). But then again, it seems to have been
common usage among his peers at the time, so I guess he isn't
personally responsible.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: A question of "loyalty" & this marriage thing
Keywords: asian, american, racism
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:38:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Just out of curiosity, how many AA's out there have a strong parental
pressure to marry asian?
to marry within the same culture, ie chinese w/chinese, japanese w/japanese
	korean w/korean ?
to only date asian?
what reasons do parents give for their restrictions (if they have one)?
	do you think it is racism, or cultural pride, or keeping
	tradition alive, or a belief that cross culture marriages
	will screw up the children or what??
If you do go against your parents wishes about marriage, how much do you
think that they will be hurt or angry or disown you or happy :) ?
Is their a conflict between family loyalty & love and love of your non-approved
	fiance or SO?

-John "totally perplexed" Park
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:07:10 GMT
Keywords: Asian-Americans

In article <1992Dec14.212647.10278@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.001309.11459@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> bshieh@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Shieh) writes:
>>    A former Asian American studies TA of mine once observed:
>>
>> People see a bunch of White guys hanging out wearing the same jackets and 
>>they see a fraternity.
>>
>> People see a bunch of African_Americans hanging out wearing the same 
>>jackets and they see a gang.
>>
>> So what do people see when they see a bunch of Asians hanging out wearing
>>the same jackets?
>
>  Tourists???  :-)

Asian American fraternities!
There are all-white fraternities, all-balck fraternities, and all-Jewish
sor/fraternities.  I don't have any problem with an all-Asian
sor/fraternities.

--
|       Daniel Lam  danl@comm.mot.com  Chicago, Il, USA        |  
|         ....  Volleyball, Rollerblade, Windsurf ....         |
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