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Subject: Re: Actual names - a spie
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:13:21 +0000







In message <1992Oct5.145614.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
(Dan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct02.210911.45549@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew

Moore) writes:
>> cixc0000@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Karyn Nelson) writes:
>>>OK once and for all here is the picture:
>>>Rangers were formed in 1873 as Rangers Football Club (RFC).
>>>The word Glasgow does not appear in the name, although Rangers

>Now I don't want to be seen here as being a wee bit pedantic but why does Andy
>Goram, Defender (sorry goalkeeper) of the Crown and Scotlands number one,
>number one, introduce himself on commercial radio in the following way  :

>"Hi I'm Andy Rhodes of Glasgow Rangers .... "
              ^^^^^^
He obviously suffers from an acute identity crisis, not only does he not
know the name of the club he plays for, he doesn't even know his own name!!!
(Before anyone jumps on me, I realise this is just a typo).

Apparently, after Souness had been at Ibrox for about 3 weeks, someone took
him aside and explained that the club were not called Glasgow Rangers FC.

You might also ask why recent Rangers' programmes have carried adverts for
a club t-shirt with "Glasgow Rangers" emblazoned on the front. Perhaps they
*have* changed their name to "Glasgow Rangers"?

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From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: RTL-4
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:13:16 GMT
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory

collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:

>only for the Dutch forward to miss :-(. I eventually turned off the sound.

I always turn off the sound... That is: from my TV set. I then turn on
the radio which gives sparkling performances from Jack van Gelder and
Leo Driessen. Do not think of the radio to be the most football-intelligent
of the two media, but it is always very exciting to have it next to the
live action.



					Regards,

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From: bcm@sei.cmu.edu (Craig Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: German cup results
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:19:16 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


	Can anyone tell me a good place to buy soccer shirts in Utrecht?  I
coach two youth teams and the parents are willing buy shirts for the kids if I
can find them.  Any pointers appreciated!
From: am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gary Lineker
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:28:32 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know how Gary Lineker is doing in Japan?  ny info would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Andy
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Parma
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:24:09 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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With Asprilla playing, does that mean that Brolin is sitting on
the stands?  Is he injured or has Asprilla just beaten him
out for the job?  

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Never say goal
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:52:58 GMT

-------------------------------
Now, I was wondering if people on r.s.s. might be interested in getting
some more news about it. That is, if there is interest, I might post
some of their "reversed" standings, and try to describe the funniest
scenes. Please let me know what you think (either by posting or by
e-mail; for the latter, I'd prefer my italian account - see below -
but the american one is all right too).

                                 Saverio
--------------------------------

Yes, Heck yes!

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:29:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct8.212945.15443
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.120453.13113@phillip.edu.au> t8914229@phillip.edu.au writes:
>MY BELOVED LIVERPOOL 4			chesterfield 1
>
>well, you came close the first time but you're just NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
>you thought you had a chance against MY BELOVED but face it, you're just
>a bunch of shit and sneaking 4 past us at home in the first leg meant
>ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
>MY BELOVED have now won 3 in a row!!!!!!!!! (limassol, sheffield wednesday
>and chesterfield - all in the space of a week and only conceding a total

Hey, the way Liverpool have been playing this season they'll get to play
teams like Chesterfield every week soon! And come on, Limassol hardly
ranks among the likes of Real, Ajax, Juventus or the Liverpool of old
for that matter (no dis-respect to the boys from Cyprus). Let's see if
they can get a string of Premier division wins against top teams first, eh?

PS Nothing personal but Graeme Scouse-mess is still a tosser, dirty as
a player, lousy as a manager and always will be, 'nuf said :-)
From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds vs. Stuttgart decision
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:48:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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        Guys, now that it's all over, can you please stop mailing things about
that Leeds-Stuttgart game.  Leeds is in the next round, what has happened
cannot change and I'M SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        This goes to everyone that involved himself with that game and also the
UEFA decision.
                                                                Panos Karliotis
P.S You guys think that you can change things or what?
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English News: bits and pieces
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:41:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct9.184131.13222
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <13067@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>Arsenal striker Ian Wright is set to be cleared of yet another charge that he
>made rude gestures to rival fans.  The FA may now wonder whether the
>England star is the victim of dirty tricksters after the latest complaint
>during Arsenal's 2-1 win over Chelsea.  "This appears, once again, to be a
>malicious attack on Ian Wright," said his agent Jerome Anderson, after
>Chelsea fans reported him to the police. The police will study a video of the
>match but first indications are that no gestures can be found on it.

Oh how times have changed. The boys from Stamford Bridge shocked by a
two finger sign? What has happened to these people? Must be getting lessons
from Mr. Bates?
From: lamfpn@uts.uni-c.dk (Per Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Cup
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:50:42 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

In <1992Oct8.154131.15997@news.nd.edu> ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.121728.13560@praxis.co.uk> colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:

>The whole point is that teams from Italy and Spain, whoc have had such rules
>for their own leagues for years can do better in the European competitions.
>Isn't the EC doing anything about these rules?

They try to. The EC wan't to get rid of the limited number of foreign players
and allow in principle all players to be foreign players. This is due to the
EC principle concerning the free movement of labour within the EC. Furthermore,
the EC wan't to get rid of the transfer system, where the club have the right
get an amount when the player writes contract - even though the old contract 
has expired. So far UEFA has been struggling to keep these systems. However,
rumours say that the transfer system will be eliminated eventually.


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From: zierlh@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Heinrich Zierl)
Subject: Frankfurt - Bayern 
Originator: zierlh@sunbode18.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:27:07 GMT


Keywords: 


Das Spiel Frankfurt - Bayern findet am 27. Oktober statt.
 


Heinrich Zierl
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:27:54 GMT

stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>> 
>>   You seems to forget a couple of things here:
>> 
>>    o  At the time of the substitution VfB Stuttgart was the
>>       qualified team.

>Wrong! There was 8 minutes left. if Leeds had scored they'd have gone through.

Let me repeat this very slowly: i-f t-h-e r-e-f-e-r-e-e h-a-d c-a-l-l-e-d
t-h-e g-a-m-e o-f a-t t-h-e t-i-m-e o-f t-h-e s-u-b-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n
S-t-u-t-t-g-a-r-t w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e a-d-v-a-n-c-e-d.

How come you all are so sure that Leeds would have scored another one in the
remaining 8 minutes?
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From: Lars Thore Aarhus <larsaa@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Whining from Leeds fans
        92 18:03:19 GMT
To: ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:05:02 GMT
Originator: larsaa@maud.ifi.uio.no

In article <01GPMQ2K4SJM987E60@ccmail.sunysb.edu> ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley) writes:

> 
>                State University of New York at Stony Brook
>                        Stony Brook, NY 11794-2275
> 
>                                             Anthony M. Begley
>                                             Materials Science
>                                             516 632-8516
>                                             06-Oct-1992 01:45pm EDT
> FROM:  ABEGLEY
> TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _rec-sport-soccer@cs.utexas.edu )
> 
> SUBJECT: Whining from Leeds fans                                      
> 
> Dear All,
> As a completely unbiased Aston Villa fan I would like to add my
thought to this            ^^^^^^^^^^^

> growing saga over the Stuttgart-Leeds farce.
> 

 < Some thoughts on this 'farce' deleted >

> 
> Tony B.
> 
> PS I hope Leeds win as a Rangers-Leeds game would be of more interest to me.
> PPS Any Villa fans out there going to write match reports just for
          ^^^^^
little old me  
> ? Please ? The glory days are returning to Villa park!

Hurray !!! 

After closely following this newsgroup for almost two years finally
a fellow Aston Villa-supporter is popping up !!

And yes, I think the 'Villians' are looking very strong at the moment,
let's hope this goes on for rest of the season....

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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US - CANADA   results
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:22:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 >...who is Cobi Jones?...

He was one of the Olympic delegation that is now being given tryouts
with the full national team. I have seen him play on TV several times
and he looks like he has a lot of promise, quite a bit of "pace".

Like many of the US collegians, however, I think he could benefit from
either serious playing time in Europe, or a serious pro league in the US.
Since the latter is not likely soon, I hope he finds his way "across the
pond" like Steve Snow.

best, Chris

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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Re: 10 things they don't say on the telly
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:04:30 GMT

11. The commentator apologizes for the crap he has been saying
    for the last 90 minutes.

12. Maradona admits to the referee he's palyed the ball with his hand.

13. THis EC1 final actually produced a great match that was not 
    decided by penalties or ended 1:0
    (ok, they probably said that in the 60s)

Michael
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds Utd vs Stuggart on Sportschannel
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:24:26 GMT
Organization: Utah State University


	Last night SportsChannel America showed the second leg of the
Leed UTD vs Stuggart.  It was a very entertaining game.  Check your 
local listing for re-broadcast.
	I really feel for Leeds Utd.  It is good to see them having
a second chance.


Jack Teh
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ++ Get Rid Of Kraay ++  (Was: Re: RTL-4)
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:27:19 GMT
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In-reply-to: sjaak@cca.vu.nl's message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:58:08 GMT


Maybe it helps to briefly describe you the way of action in the WDR,
the coordinator for sportsbroadcasting in the ARD, which is one of
Germany's two public broadcasting systems.
To start with, we still have incompetent reporters, but it depends on
the position of this guy, how much criticism is tolerated before
others take his part. 
Each phonecall and each letter is registrated. If the number of
complains about one reporter or one incident (e.g. the color of the
moderator's jacket), there is a tough discussion about the
consequences. If there are alternatives, there is no doubt that the
repeatly criticized reporter will get some other tasks and another guy
takes his place. As I mentioned, this happens sometimes, but not
always. So, to write letters is actually a very efficient way of
action, but they should be unique to ommit the impression that it is a
campaign. BTW, what is the alternative to this guy? 

Chris

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Subject: Re: 3rd Game Leeds - Stuttgart
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:05:51 +0000







In message <1992Oct5.130443.7753@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
schoof@dec5.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof) writes:

>I can not agree this decision was hard against Leeds. It was the only
>way to decide. UEFA-rules say if you have players on the field who are
>not permitted, you lose the game with a score of 3-0. If the difference
>was worse for the team, it would be kept (4-0 would remain 4-0 and not
>become 3-0, AND 6-1 would remain 6-1). These are the regulations.

Interesting, I assumed that UEFA must have had some basis for their decision
but none of the papers here saw fit to publish the relevant rules. If these
are indeed UEFA's regulations than there was no other option for UEFA to
take. I was surprised, though, that there was no fine for VfB Stuttgart, other
than for their "spurious" protest.

It make you wonder though, what will EUFA do if another team is losing 4-0 in
the second leg after winning 3-0 in the first leg, brings on an extra
foreigner and then scores a vital away goal? 

> So I
>really wonder if they did not have to keep the 4-1. But this would have
>been a clear advantage to Stuttgart, who made a fault. So they put the
>'standard result' 3-0 there and we'll see another match. BTW no one
>noticed the fourth foreigner on the bench. Maybe it was really an
>unintended error. UEFA got the players' nominations and did not notice
>anything (somehow reminds me of the Icehockey WC a few years ago).
>I understand, that Leeds supporters are not very happy with the
>decision, but I think there was nothing else the UEFA could do.

It would be hard to imagine that Stuttgart's error was anything other
than unintended, but that's no excuse. I can understand Leeds supporters
being upset at the decision, but they should just be happy to be given
another chance. BTW, if the re-match was played at Elland Road, wouldn't
Stuttgart be able to benefit from the away goals rule?

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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LEEDS OUT and IN AGAIN
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:39:54 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <137@bjcong.bj.co.uk> timk@bjcong.UUCP (TIM KENNEDY) writes:
 > Glorious Leeds United are to replay the Hun in Barcelona on Friday night.
                                           ^^^
You do not like Germans eh?  In a previous post I saw kraut and sausage-eater.
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From: ccaaipv@ucl.ac.uk (Ioannis Verikokakis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: AEK vs PSV
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:19:17 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

I would like to publicly thank all people that have replied to my 
mail message. All information was extremely useful and very much
appreciated.

Yannis Verikokakis
Applications Programmer
University College London
Computer Centre.
From: rf40@woodstock.umd.edu (Tottenham Hotspur FC)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct13.124955.11960@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk writes:
>In article 9284@vax.oxford.ac.uk, stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk () writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know the German for "cheat"?
>>
>>stuart
>
>
>
>Klinsmann ???

English name synonmous with cheat?

Try Batty.

The topic is done, the game was played.
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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: USA - Canada
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:38:45 GMT

Taken from the USAToday wire service without permission:

U.S. SOCCER TEAM PLAYS IN N.C.:
   The U.S. national soccer team, in action for the first time in
five weeks, will have twin objectives when it plays Canada Friday
night in Greensboro, N.C. The USA will be attempting to build
momentum for next week's Intercontinental Champions Cup in Riyadh,
Saudi Arabia, and regain its scoring touch after having scored
just two goals in its last six games.
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackburn & other trends....
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:27:25 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <1992Oct6.182416.27352@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:

>I recall QPR did for a while and somewhat unbelieveably (come on you 'orns)
>even Watford were 1st or 2nd for a while when they got promoted. Ah yes,
>I think the Crystal Palace under El Tel (Terry Vegetables) did the same.
>This does look like a trend.

Watford (beat Richard to that one ;-), Wimbledon, Carlisle, West Ham,
Ipswich, Aston Villa ...

Tim
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 3rd Game Leeds - Stuttgart
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:42:30
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In-reply-to: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk's message of Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:05:51 +0000

Actually VfB Stuttgart got a fine. I think they have to pay 10.000
sfr, which is about 4700 pounds today, ~ 5700 pounds next week, ...
:-). 
So the fine for Stuttgart is only symbolic.

Chris

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