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From: fiddle@midiline.la.ca.us (frank hoppe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mandolin teacher wanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:36:57 GMT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

Hi. I live in L.A., so I don't know what's real convenient for you 
commute-wise, but I'm assuming the Bay Area is your oyster. Further, some 
of the following names may be too big to be giving lessons, but they're 
great Bay Area mandolin players and may be able to refer you if lessons 
are no longer a part of their activities. Jody Stecher you may have heard 
of. My first choice would be a guy named Paul Kotapish who is in the 
famous contra band The Hillbillies From Mars. He's great on mandolin, 
guitar, etc. in a wide variety of styles.
        Both of these artists regularly give workshops at Bay Area music 
camps. I first encountered jody stecher at a Scottish Fiddle Camp called 
Valley of the Moon (for more info, contact Bay Area Fiddle God Alasdair 
Fraser) and Paul Kotapish I've seen at various places from Seattle 
(Fiddle Tunes) to Ceour d'Alene (Lady of the Lake) to Massachusetts 
(Pinewoods). Gerald Trimble taught mandolin the time I went to Lark in 
the Morning whic is held in Mendocino. If you want to immerse yourself in 
music, camps like these are wonderful! Of course, you'd probably want to 
have some calluses built up or you'll be nursing your blisters after the 
first day. Hope this helps a little. Good luck. Although I play fiddle, I 
love the sound of a mandolin and lament how far and few between are those 
who play it.

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fiddle@midiline.la.ca.us (frank hoppe) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:3199 soc.culture.celtic:3519
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Altan
Date: 12 Apr 1992 21:18:25 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Gordon Partridge Smith writes:
>can find it.  It's is known as "the black album" and its title
>is _Ceol Aduadh_ (sorry about the spelling) and is on Claddagh.

I've seen this.  It's called "Ceol Aduaidh" (Song from the North).
It's been reissued on CD on some other label, I think it was Gael Linn.
Dated 1983.  I passed it up since it'll run you $22-$25 a copy in
the US.  If you're not a CD fanatic you mite check the list of
titles resold by Claddagh or Ossian or whatever & see if they still
have cassette or vinyl of it for a lot less (you're not going to gain
much but convenience in the CD format given the '83 recording date). 
I've had pretty good luck with Irish merchants as far as overseas
orders go.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: stevena@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Alexander)
Subject: Re: Ballad of the Female Bandit
Reply-To: stevena@cs.berkeley.edu (Steven Alexander)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.190552.9577@hemlock.cray.com> robd@cray.com (Robert Derrick) writes:
>: believe they credit Frankie Armstrong as the source of that particular
>: piece, which sounds about right, though I can't remember offhand whether
>: or where she recorded it.
>: 
>: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>: Jon Berger     jonb@ingres.com     {mtxinu,sun,amdahl,pyramid}!ingres!jonb
>: "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." 
>:                                          -- Fudd's First Law of Opposition
>
>Frankie recorded on "Lovely On The Water", Topic Records, 1972.
>
>rob derrick

Here's what Frankie Armstrong says on that album about the source:

    As a prose tale this joke has been current at least since the
    days of Beaumont and Fletcher.  Versified into a song, it had
    probably been circulating for a long time before Disley of
    St. Giles, London, printed it on a broadside c.1860.  H.E.D.
    Hammond heard it sung to this tune by a grand singer, Mrs.
    Russell of Upwey, Dorset in 1907.  Mrs. Russell had affection
    for songs about girl tricksters, and on the same occasion she
    sang the ace and deuce of crafty-maid songs, _The Broomfield
    Hill_.
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Steven Alexander
Comp Sci grad student                           stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
& non-practicing lawyer extraordinaire
{I'm really wonderful at not practicing}
Temporarily in the real world at:               sra20@charon.amdahl.com
  {but preferring the Berkeley address}
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 15:24:30 EDT
From: <GD9@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Songs about taxes

I am doing a Folk Music Show on Wed. April 15th and would like to
know if you know of any songs about taxes or paying taxes or not
paying taxes.  I would like the name of the singer and the album it
is on, if possible.  Thanks!        Carol
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:49:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11444
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Glad to get some comments to my inquiry. I'm still trying to figure out how the
heck I decided to buy The Visit: did I hear something by her on CBC, or read
something, or what? In any case, I seem to be just ahead of some kind of wave:
yesterday I heard two songs from Visit on CBC--All Souls Night on the Vancouver
afternoon show (where it had the impact of a naked witch, smeared with woad,
bursting through the windows of a seminar on Duller Aspects of Commuter
Traffic), and then the tango replayed on Best of Morningside. Maybe this is her
year...in any case, I intend to keep listening.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Nanci Griffith's latest FolkTree concert
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:26:03 GMT

Would the poster who accused FolkTree of bait-and-switch tactics
please contact me?  I'd be interested in hearing your story.

I just had my own very disappointing experience with FolkTree.  Last
Fall, when Nanci Griffith performed in Boston, they announced that she
would be back on April fifth for a special "acoustic" concert.  Now, I
know that the term "acoustic" can mean anything from "a single
unamplified guitar" to "anything that involves sound", but the
implication of that announcement was that the April concert would be
in some way different from the (to my ears) over-amplified,
synth-dominated arangements in the Fall.

The only difference is that Nanci seems to have decided to put a loud,
heavy, sustained, synthesized bass note under "Hard Life", along with
pounding drum beats and a painful level of amplification.  Perhaps
"acoustic" meant that there would be even more sound at this concert?

FolkTree's prices are too high for this nonsense.

More later, when I've cooled off a little.

-David
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Dream a Little Dream of Me
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:24:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr6.172444.19252
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Apr6.011207.6610@gvl.unisys.com> wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle) writes:

>Dream a Little Dream of Me, by Kahn-Schwandt-Andre
>
>It's a nice song, but doesn't say anything about millions or sweet dreams.

Actually, it does--about dreams, anyway.  Check out the last verse below.
Here's the song as best a brain afflicted with Sometimer's Disease can
reconstruct it:

		DREAM 

	Stars shining right above you
	Night breezes seem to whisper, "I love you"
	Birds singing in the sycamore tree
	Dream a little dream of me.

	Say nighty-night and kiss me
	Please hold me tight and tell me you'll miss me
	While I'm alone and blue as can be
	Dream a little dream of me

        Bridge:
	    Stars fading, but I linger on, dear
	    Still craving your kiss
	    I'm longing to linger 'til dawn, dear
	    Just saying this--

	Sweet dreams 'til sunbeams find you
	Sweet dreams to leave all worries behind you
	And in your dreams, whatever they may be
	Dream a little dream of me

	Repeat bridge, repeat last verse

Hope this is of use or interest. :-)

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From: clifford@coos.dartmouth.edu (Larry A. Clifford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: REQUEST: CLANNAD + ALTAN
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:10:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <kdsvLKW00Uh7Q=9_Jl@andrew.cmu.edu> rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Roolf) writes:
>On 08-Apr-92 in REQUEST: CLANNAD + ALTAN     
>user Roland Gorisch@treff.zer writes:
>>does anyone in this area have a complete listing of all albums/cds Clannad
>>made until now? I am also interested in Altan, what are their most popular
>>albums?
>
>Altan so far has 4 albums out:
>
>Altan (before the official name of the group: then it was just the name
>of the   
>   album)
>Horse with a Heart (my personal favorite, with a nice blend of soaring Gaelic 
>  songs, foot-tapping Gaelic songs, and instrumental reels/highlands/jigs/etc.)
>The Red Crow 
>Harvest Storm
>
>I would most highly recommend Horse with a Heart, and either the Red
>Crow or Harvest Storm. 

Well, for what it's worth, my own tastes incline to the 1st album and
to Harvest Storm, which I just got a few days ago.  All 4 albums are
excellent, among the best Celtic folk around, but I feel that the
1st is uniquely serene and luminous (if you'll pardon a bit of
romantic pseudo-description), and that the latest album recaptures
some of that feeling.

Larry
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From: bobsoron@world.std.com (Bob Soron)
Subject: Re: John Prine/Cowboy Junkies
Summary: Another reaction to their Boston show
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145201.17959@athena.mit.edu> thomasl@mtl.mit.edu
(Thomas J Lohman) writes:

>I went to see the Cowboy Junkies and John Prine this past Saturday night
>at the Orpheum Theater in Boston.
>Having never seen Prine before I was impressed, even though some of the
>crowd suffered from the "Richard Thompson is God" disease which has been 
>going around in variant forms.  I would say that Prine put on a better
>show than the Junkies, which I had seen twice before.  
>If you're going to see these performers and are expecting
>a return to the "Trinity Session" years for the Junkies than be warned
>that they have become much more of a rock/roll band than in previous 
>tours.  Overall the show was good ... [lines about noisy fans deleted]

Oddly enough, the Boston Globe's review today was very negative toward
the Junkies because they didn't play enough rock, sticking mostly to
their own sound. I guess from my wording, you can gather the side of the
fence on which I stand. The only change I'd've made would have been to
bring up the lights some once in a while; they set the mood very
effectively, but geez, show us their faces once in a while.

>If you like John Prine, go see him because he was damn good and played
>for about 1 1/2 hours.  If you like the Junkies then go see them but
>don't show up late because Prine is worth at least 15 of the 25 I paid
>for the ticket.  If you like both, then you know what to do.

We heard from someone who was sitting up front that Prine was very
nervous during his set, though we couldn't tell (we were sitting just
under the mezzanine). He was clearly petrified during the duet, though
-- never took his hands out of his pockets and never once looked at
Margot. I've been an off-and-on Prine fan for a while, but this was the
first time I'd seen him in person (I've caught many of his concerts on
Austin City Limits, and there's another coming up this Saturday), and
was impressed; I was surprised, though, that he didn't do "Illegal Smile,"
considering that he did so many other songs from that era.

Mostly, I think I would've liked to see both of them at smaller venues.
(I missed the Junkies' various shows at Berklee.) 

>--tom

Bob Soron
bobsoron@world.std.com
From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Beggars to God"
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:55:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <SCOTT.92Apr13121240@ka.wri.com>, scott@wri.com (Scott Midler) writes:
|> 
|> I am looking for a recording and/or information on a song probably
|> called "Beggars to God". I remember hearing it on A Prarie Home
|> Companion 4 or 5 years ago, done by (I think) Sally Rogers and Claudia
|> Schmit(sp?). I spent this last weekend listening to a whole mess of
|> PHC tapes, but alas, I could not find this song on any of them.
|> 
|> Any pointers would be appreciated. Email is fine.
|> 
|> Thanks.

"Beggars To God" was written by Massachusetts songwriter Bob Franke.
He has four albums out; at least the last two were on Flying Fish, 
and so should be available through most reasonable music stores. 
If not, all his stuff is available through his own organization, 
Telephone Pole Music, in Peabody, MA. Sorry, I don't have the 
PO box, ZIP code, or phone number handy here at work, but with 
a bit of phone sleuthing, you should be able to turn those up.

Don Coolidge
coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Subject: New Michelle Shocked Album
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:22:19 GMT


As mentioned before, the new Michelle Shocked album is finally out.
It is a "back to the roots" type album.  She recorded with a number
of different artists, ranging from Doc Watson to Hot House Flowers.
The result (IMHO) is quite good.  But of course, I'm biased.  I think
she is great.  And I liked all her other stuff.

In keeping with a long standing(?) tradition, she has a remake of a
recording from a previous album (Secret to a Long Life), but she
has broken tradition by not having a "hidden" track on this CD.
Of course, it is 58 minutes long, so I guess we can't complain too much.

Her basic approach to this album is to take traditional tunes and add
her own words.

Anyway, here is what is on it:

Shocked, Michelle|Arkansas Traveller|1992|Mercury|314 512 101
	33 R.P.M. Soul|4:20
	Come a Long Way|4:50
	Secret to a Long Life|3:50
	Contest Coming~Cripple Creek|3:32
	Over the Waterfall|4:42
	Shaking Hands~Soldier's Joy|3:32
	Jump Jim Crow~Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah|3:35
	Hold Me Back~Frankie & Johnny|5:12
	Strawberry Jam|4:35
	Prodigal Daughter~Cotton Eyed Joe|6:43
	Blackberry Blossom|3:38
	Weaving Way|2:58
	Arkansas Traveler|4:25
	Woody's Rag|2:55
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From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:45:56 GMT

In article <11423@mindlink.bc.ca>, Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
|> This may be an old topic to many of you, but as new participant in this
|> newsgroup I'd be grateful for any information/opinion on Loreena McKennitt. I
|> discovered her latest album, The Visit, just before it won the Juno award in
|> roots/folk a couple of weeks ago. I've also picked up a couple of her earlier
|> albums, so I can see quite an interesting development. I'd be interested now to
|> learn what others think of her work and what kind of context that work belongs
|> in.

Interesting...just what *do* I think of her work? (There's a nice
article about her in the latest "Dirty Linen", BTW.)

I got my disk of _The Visit_ through a Calgary friend; I don't think 
it's generally available south of the border yet, despite the 
distribution agreement with WEA (at least, nobody in Tower Records 
has ever heard of her). I also have the Christmas album (cassette).

I suppose I could best describe her work and its context by first
describing *her* context.

She's an enchantress. A spellweaver. One Who Walks In Mist Along
All Ways, those Ancient, Present, and Yet To Be.

OK, so that's not very concrete :^). Yet her work has an unearthly
beauty about it. It has deep British and Celtic traditional roots,
but draws from the mystic side of those cultures as well as the 
historical. She writes beautiful melodies which perfectly complement
her lyrics (mostly original, but she also adapts poems by Shakespeare
and Tennyson, at least), and sings them with a voice that alternately
soars with glory and whispers impishly.

And she's not afraid to mix other ethnic traditions into her 
arrangements (e.g. the tamboura on _The Visit_), despite which 
the music retains its essential Celtic character. And if one of her
instrumentals seems to owe a bit to Andreas Vollenveider (damn!
I'm sure I spelled that wrong! :^), well, frankly, I prefer her
version.

Some would probably label her music New Age (tm), but there's too
much traditional core there to put her in that bin. Others might
want to call it Celtic, but it's light-years beyond either
dydley-dydley-dydley music - sorry, I really mean traditional
Celtic :^) (which I actually love) - or Boiled In Lead. Nor are 
either "folk" or "roots" adequate categories. It really stands 
on its own, owing much to each of those genres, but belonging
to none.

Who treads the same paths? Enya's in the same general geography,
but doesn't have anywhere near the power or impact. Some of KaTe
Bush's work nods homage in that direction, too, but not much of it.
(If anyone knows of another artist doing the same, please post!)

Whatever it is, I can't seem to keep that disk off my player
for more than a day or two at a time. I suppose that's not
much of a surprise, though, given the things I've just said :^).

Don Coolidge
coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com
From: eric@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Hirst)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Review: Dream Cafe, by Greg Brown
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:07:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

After 3 listenings, I can only rave.  Greg's latest effort is once again
in the same league as "In The Dark With You" and the sinister and rockin'
"One Big Town."  In contrast to the recent "Down In There," "Dream Cafe" is 
not just a quasirandom collection of Greg's recent creations.  (I stick
my neck out here -- DIT has an overall tone, but a city boy just can't
relate.)

Instead, it has continuous themes, mainly on the tenuous nature of romance. 
In addition, most of the performances are just fantastic.  The title track
and "Sleeper" are two of my current favorites, each with splendid backup
arrangements.  "All By Myself," which I liked once out of the two times I
heard it at Seattle's Backstage, is also a winner.

The album is mostly acoustic, but cuts loose in a few fine spots.  It's
Greg Brown at his best, more than enough to keep a groupie like myself
happy, and a fine introduction to his music for anyone.

Eric Hirst
eric@milton.u.washington.edu
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Songs about taxes
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:51:29 GMT

In article <MARTIN.92Apr10232942@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (I) said:

   In article <92101.152430GD9@psuvm.psu.edu> GD9@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

      I am doing a Folk Music Show on Wed. April 15th and would like to
      know if you know of any songs about taxes or paying taxes or not
      paying taxes.  I would like the name of the singer and the album it
      is on, if possible.  Thanks!        Carol

   On the Short Sister's latest, A Planet Dancing Slow, they do a Pete
   Seeger song called Calendar.  If you don't have the Short Sister's
   version, maybe you can find someone else doing it.

[lyrics deleted]

Another reference to the income tax occurs in Andrew Calhoun's song
"Never Enough" on his Flying Fish album, Gates of Love.  The song
isn't about taxes (well, maybe it is - I honestly don't know what
it's about, though I have a guess), but the relevant section is:

Life came to visit,
He was big in size,
And he sat and he broke my chair,
And he told me lies about the income tax,
And his other facts,
In a manner brisk and gay,
And he stuttered easily,
And he rose and he died away.

(May be a mistake or two there.)

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: gnewell@deakin.OZ.AU
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: REQUEST: CLANNAD + ALTAN
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:48:47 GMT
Organization: Deakin University


>
>Altan so far has 4 albums out:
>
>Altan (before the official name of the group: then it was just the name
>of the   
>   album)
>Horse with a Heart (my personal favorite, with a nice blend of soaring Gaelic 
>  songs, foot-tapping Gaelic songs, and instrumental
reels/highlands/jigs/etc.)
>The Red Crow 
>Harvest Storm


I haven't heard of Harvest Storm before.  Is it the the renamed first album by
Maire Moanaigh (sp?) and Frankie Kennedy (pre-Altan), or is it a more recent
one??????  

Red Crow was the last release out here in OZ.

Ta!

Graeme Newell
Deakin University,
Victoria, Australia
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ballad of the Female Bandit
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:39:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Apr14.183940.5098
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton OR & Milpitas CA

In article <DOTSON.92Apr8142104@otto.yerkes.uchicago.edu> dotson@otto.yerkes.uchicago.edu (Jessie Dotson) writes:
>you think this cold morning will do me some harm
>One thing I desire it's between your legs
>If you give me that it'll keep me warm
>
>So he jumped off his horse and she mounted it quick
>Looking the rider straight in the face
>Oh you took not my meaning you  

    This is great!  Are there more verses, or a chorus or refrain?   Is it
    available recorded by anyone?

    Thanks,

-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
    Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and...
                      [Stop Continental Drift!]
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: REQUEST: CLANNAD + ALTAN
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:37:00 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <2896@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, gnewell@deakin.OZ.AU writes...

}} Altan so far has 4 albums out:

}} Altan (before the official name of the group: then it was just the name
}}        of the album)
}} Horse with a Heart (my personal favorite, with a nice blend of soaring
}}        Gaelic songs, foot-tapping Gaelic songs, and instrumental
}}        reels/highlands/jigs/etc.)
}} The Red Crow 
}} Harvest Storm

} I haven't heard of Harvest Storm before.

I haven't either.

} Is it the the renamed first album by Maire Moanaigh (sp?) and Frankie
} Kennedy (pre-Altan), or is it a more recent one??????  

It's certainly not that. That is what is listed up above as ALTAN.

That seems to be a popular process. A first album is put out with the
by-line being a string of names. Then with the second album, the title
of the first album suddenly becomes the name of the group. Aside from
Altan, I can off-hand think of this happening with Patrick Street,
Relativity, and Silly Sisters.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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