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Date: 1 Oct 92 07:14:06
From: jb8285@guinea.inst.medtronic.com (Jeffrey R. Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Subject: Cherry Trees
Distribution: world

Last week I attended a public meeting given by Kevin Locke in Hopkins,
MN.  He told a story which I thought was worth sharing.  [Kevin Locke
is a former member of the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is
of the United States, and a Lakota Sioux.--mmt]

Near his home in South Dakota, some years ago, he planted some cherry
trees.  These started as very small saplings.  Every spring, as the
weather warmed up, the small trees would grow a little taller.
Although these trees are still immature, there will be some spring, in
a year or two, when they will bloom and bear fruit.

The analogy is that every 500 or 1000 years, there is a spiritual
springtime for humankind.  The light and warmth of a Manifestation of
God (Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, and others) causes the tree of
humanity to grow and mature.  But THIS springtime, the one brought by
the Manifestation of God called Baha'u'llah, is the one during which
humankind finally will bloom spiritually and bear fruit.
-- 
Jeffrey R. Brown                Internet: jeffrey.brown@medtronic.com
Medtronic, Inc.                 UUCP:     uunet!medtron!jb8285
7000 Central Avenue N.E.        Voice:    1-612-574-4698
Minneapolis, MN 55432 USA       FAX:      1-612-574-6150




Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
From: khademi@cajal.usc.edu (Peyvand Khademi)
Subject: Time's special 2000 edition
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:16:46 GMT


Just this morning I got to scan a copy of Time's special Year 2000
edition.  I haven't had a chance to read any of the articles, but since
the Baha'i Faith say a lot about the future, I thought it might be timely
to start a thread about it.

For starters, the very brief reference to the Baha'i Faith in the article
about the future of religions caught my eye.  It seemed to dismiss the
Faith as small and insignificant.  Needless to say, I thought that was a
shallow and unimaginative assessment, given that the point of the issue
is to provide insightful perception.  I don't mean that from a point
of view of being a Baha'i and feeling slighted about the author's lack
of appreciation for something I hold dear.  People (among them some pretty
deep thinkers like Toynbee, Irwin Lazlo (sp?), etc.) with no allegiance to
the Faith have reached the same conclusion as many Baha'is, that this is a
model Faith for this age.  More reasearch would have been warranted.

Regards
Peyv&
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Peyvand M. Khademi                     phone : (310)470-8995
Department of Computer Science         khademi@cajal.usc.edu
University of Southern California      Los Angeles
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Quran qoutes on Marriage
Date: 6 Oct 1992 06:22 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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  I am getting married VERY soon and we want an ecumenical marriage.
I would love a reference from the Quran (I have a copy) about
marriage, love, commitment.  All I have been able to find using the
index are laws about marrying ubelievers- etc pretty cold blooded
stuff but then I don't know where to look. I want something that
expresses sentiments similar to 1 Corinthieans 13 
   "if I have not love..."
   "When I was a child I thougt as a child ..now it is time for me to
give up childish way"

  PLease give chapter, verse, etc since I can look it up myself- I
don't trust my retyping.

                                   Thanks 

                                    Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Isa son of Maryam
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Assalaamu aleikum,


Is^a, son of Maryam  (Jesus, son of Marry) [ as described in Koran ]

And the angels said, "Maryam, Allah has chosen you, and purified you;
He has chosen you above all women. Maryam, be obedient to your Lord,
prostrating and bowing before Him."

That is the tidings of the Unseen, that We reveal to you, for you
were not with them, when they were casting quills to see which of
them should charge Maryam. You were not with them when they were
disputing.

The angels said, "Maryam, Allah gives you glad tidings from him of a
word whose name is Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam; high honored shall
he be in this world and the next, near to Allah. He shall speak to men
in the cradle and of age, and righteous he shall be."

"Lord", said Maryam, "How shall I have a son seeing no mortal has
touched me?"

Allah said, "Even so. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a
thing, He but says to it 'Be', and it becomes. And He will teach him
the Book, the wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel, to be a Messenger to the
children of Israel, saying, 'I have come to you with a sign from your
Lord. I will create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird; then I
will breath life into it, and it will be a bird, by Allah's leave. I
will also heal the blind and the leper and bring to life the dead, by
the leave of Allah. I will inform you too of what things you eat and
what you treasure up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you,
if you are believers. Likewise confirming the truth of the Torah that
is before me, and to make lawful to you certain things that before were
forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear
Allah and obey me. Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him.
This is a straight path."

When 'Isa perceived their unbelief, he said, "Who will be my helpers
unto Allah?"

The apostles said, "We will be helpers of Allah. We believe in Allah.
Witness our submission. Lord, we believe in that You  have sent down,
and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear
witness."

And they devised, and Allah devised -and Allah is the best of devisers.

Allah said, "Isa, I will take you to me and will raise you to Me, and I
will purify you of those who believe not. I will set your followers above
the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall  you
return, and I will decide between what you were at variance on. As for
the unbelievers, I will chastise them with a terrible chastisement in
this world and in the next. They shall have no helpers."

But as for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, He will pay
them in full their rewards. And Allah loves not the evildoers. This We
recite to you of signs and wise remembrance. Truly, the likeness of 'Isa
in Allah's sight is as Adam's likeness. He created him from dust, then
He said to him, "Be," and he became.

wassalaam,
From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Words from the Prophet (SAW)....
Summary: Hadith
Date: 24 Sep 92 07:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Abdul Qadir)
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In the war of words, let all the Brothers beware of the pitfalls
of the Hypocrites....

-------------------------

[ rough translation: ]

 It is related by Abdullah bin 'Amr (RAA) that the Apostle of
 Allah (SAW) said:

"Four things are such that if they combine together in a person
 he is an utter Hypocrite and whosoever has any one of these he
 has one attribute of Hypocrisy in him and shall remain in that
 state till he gives it up.  These are:

	- When he is trusted, he betrays;
	- When he speaks, he lies;
	- When he gives a pledge, he breaks it; and
	- When he argues, he reviles."

			- Bukhari and Muslim

---------------------------

[ rough translation: ]

 It is related by Abdullah bin Masood (RAA) that the Apostle of 
 Allah (SAW) said:

"A truthful Believer never indulges in taunting and cursing, nor
 does he use intemperate language."

			- Tirmidhi and Baihaqi

-------------------------

May Allah (AWJ) protect us from Shaitan, our own Nefs, and words 
of falsehood, and may 'He' forgive us for our sins and Guide us 
with 'His' Wisdom so that we may follow the Straight Path and 
bring glory to 'His' Name.  Amin.

-AQ

[I beg Allah's forgiveness for my weakness and insufficiency in ]
['His' service, and I ask for his protection from Shaitan and   ]
[from my own Desires.  None can protect me except Allah.  If I  ]
[have made any errors, I beg Allah to bring them to my attention]
[so that they may be corrected.  If I have made none, then it is]
[only through the Grace of Allah and all praise is due only to  ]
['Him.'                                                         ]
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Sociology, Max Weber and Islam
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: romeo.6OCT199212575796
Reply-To: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
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Dear participants of this newsgroup

I wonder whether somebody might be intrested in discussing the
great German sociologist Max Weber (1964-1920) and his views on
the history of Islam.

Some of his views are surely prejudiced but some might be actual
even today.

with the best regards

Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
From: uunet!unr!hossein@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Hossein Tavakoli)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Help Moslems in Bosnia
Date: 24 Sep 92 22:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu


Dear Brothers and sisters,
To help moslems in Bosnia  you can send your checks to this address.
Checks should be in order of:  MSA (PSG) BOSNIA RELIEF FUND

MSA (PSG)
P.O. Box 6322
ALBANY, CA 94706

I got this address from Keyhan Havai newspaper page 5  Sep16,1992.
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: aqeedah (nature of the heart organ)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:45 GMT


|> In article <23AUG199215240367@iago.caltech.edu>, bro@cs.rice.edu (Douglas Monk) writes:
|> > 
|> > [Postmarked: 20 Aug '92]
|> > 
|> > Not to belabor the point unecessarily, but this is an extreme
|> > oversimplification of both the nature and the function of the human
|> > heart organ. It does not only consist of muscle fibers, but contains
|> > other tissues, including neural fibers, and its own vascular system.
|> > The primary function of the heart appears to be to pump blood
|> > throughout the body, but it is far from certain that we know *every*
|> > function that it may actually perform at this point in medicinal
|> > science. For all we know, it may release endocrine secretions we have
|> > never detected, or be more integral in the neural system than we
|> > suspect, etc. The fact that attempts to replace the heart with a
|> > simple mechanical pump may have larger implications other than that
|> > it is simply hard to do: we may have missed some subtle function that
|> > it also needs to perform.
|> > 
|> > Doug Monk (bro@rice.edu)
|> 
|> See the "Scientific American" article from more than 5 years ago
|> "The Heart as an Endocrine Gland". The heart's hormonal secretions
|> affect many organs.
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: RE: Ramadan. When is it (was it) this year.
Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:49 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
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In article <EKREM.92Aug24160149@guam.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at> ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban) writes:
>In article <26505@life.ai.mit.edu> uunet!sun330!brath@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Mario N. Brathwaite) writes:
>
>   When exactly did (does) the holy month of fasting occur this year? 
>
>It is about 6,5 month ahead. It will start after the new moon has been
>seen by a group of believers.

For planning purposes, I have been using two small programs hdate/hcal 
(for Hijri date/calendar) that I wrote which produce "good" estimates 
based purely on astronomical calculations.  

The program hdate performs date conversion between the Gregorian solar 
calendar and the Islamic lunar (Hijri) calendar.  hcal prints a calendar 
for the specified (Gregorian/Hijri) year/month.

RamaDHaan is the ninth month in the Hijri year, and this year is the year
1413 after the hijrah.  So, here is what I get:

%hdate -h 1 9 1413
Monday 22 February 1993g

%hcal -h 9 1413
RamaDHaan 1413 / February - March 1993
 Sun   Mon   Tue   Wed   Thu   Fri   Sat
       1/22  2/23  3/24  4/25  5/26  6/27
 7/28  8/ 1  9/ 2 10/ 3 11/ 4 12/ 5 13/ 6
14/ 7 15/ 8 16/ 9 17/10 18/11 19/12 20/13
21/14 22/15 23/16 24/17 25/18 26/19 27/20
28/21 29/22 30/23

I am not ready to release these two programs yet, as they still need a bit
of work and much fine tuning.   As soon as I manage to find the time to do 
that, I'll place both programs in the public domain.  Watch for an 
announcement in this news group.

Salaam,

Waleed A. Muhanna
From: mvwjf@mvgpf.att.com (William J Fallon)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Basic Info On Islam
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: mvwjf@mvgpf.att.com (William J Fallon)
Organization: AT&T
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: aldabbag@aludra.usc.edu (Maad Al-Dabagh)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Disposal of unsollicited Islamic litterature
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:28:55 GMT


In article <23AUG199215170433@iago.caltech.edu>, ashabana@agsm.ucla.edu (Ahmed Shabana) writes:
|> [Postmarked: Aug 19, '92]
|> 
|> Al Salaam Alykum.
|> 
|> I have managed to have my name on a number of  mailing lists for Islamic
|> organizations or causes. My mailbox is now full of their
|> sollicitations. Because this type of mail contains verses from the Holy
|> Quraan I am reluctant to dispose of it in the same manner I deal with
|> similar mailings. Freinds have proposed alternative disposal methods
|> which are either inconvenient/ dangerous (fire) or expensive 
|> (paper shredder). Does anyone have more practical alternatives? 
|> 
|> Thanks 
|> 
|> Ahmed 
|> 
|> --
|> _____________________________________________________________________
|> Ahmed A. Shabana	         |" Unless otherwise indicated
|> Anderson Graduate School of Mgmt.| products do not include anchovies"  
|> U.C.L.A.			 | Fine print in Dell computers brochures. 
|> 

Recycle,
	In-Sha'Allah you will be rewarded for it.

Maad
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Bible (Prophet Muhammad)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:30:49 GMT
Status: RO



Since the Qu'ran itself mentions that Jesus came as announced in the
Torah; the Torah in the Prophet Muhammad's time is what it was in
Jesus's time and in modern times (we can prove that from the Dead Sea
Scrolls); therefore a Muslim must decide which biblical prophesies
apply to Jesus before trying to find evidence for the Prophet Muhammad
in the Bible.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Book By President of Bosnia
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:12:37 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

salam

This book may also be availabe through

American Trust Publications of the Islamic Book Service
317-839-9278

or

Crescent Publications
800-521-9744 (take credit cards)

salam
ayman
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Check out misc.legal for a "debate" on Rushdie & anti-Arab Racism
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:18:33 GMT
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu


There is a "debate" going on misc.legal about anti-Arab racism on the net
and about Rushdie and other anti-Islamic stuff

Check it out please

Regards

Imran Anwar
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: RE: Contradictions in Quran?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:16 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <27787@life.ai.mit.edu> ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban) writes:
>   Look at the histories of the peoples of interest here.
>
>   1. The Torah was given through Moses to a people who, though often
>      disobedient, had a longstanding belief on the One God, back six or
>      seven hundred years to Abraham.

It is true that Abraham knew God, but polytheism was a very big problem among 
Jews even after Moses came.  Remember the story of the golden calf?  Clearly
these beliefs and morals of Abraham did not stick with his descendants for
those 700 years.

Link Hudson.
From: Reminder@duke.cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: THE 8th NEW ENGLAND ISLAMIC CONFERENCE
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:28:07 GMT


THE 8th NEW ENGLAND ISLAMIC CONFERENCE
IS TODAY NEAR 26-100,
THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER IS AT 5:00!!!!
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Basalat Ali Raja)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Book By President of Bosnia
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: awair@igc.apc.org

BOOK BY PRESIDENT OF BOSNIA

We have just received the book ISLAM BETWEEN EAST AND 
WEST written by the current president of Bosnia, 'Alija 'Ali 
Izetbegovic.  In his book Izetbegovic focuses primarily on Islam 
within the history of ideas.  He emphasizes the historical 
commonality and borrowing between three major monotheistic 
religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.  He puts 
forth a model of two elementary views of the world, religion 
and materialism, and in this dichotomy, which Izetbegovic asserts 
is part of the 'basic dualism of the world,' which in reality is 
never actually pure, Izetbegovic seeks a middle road pointing 
toward Islamic philosophy which he says was originally 
conceptualized to serve this middle path.  

This is a good book for seeking insight into the thinking of this 
Bosnian leader.  It is the latest edition published in 1989 by 
American Trust Publications, first published in 1984.  Both 
editions were published when Izetbegovic was still imprisoned 
under the former communist regime.

The book is not widely available in the U.S.  If you would like to 
obtain a copy, we are making it available for a reasonable cost 
which includes shipping.  (US$19.95 includes postage and 
handling.  292 pages, stiff paperback. You can send a 
money order or check to AWAIR, 2095 Rose Street, Suite 4, 
Berkeley, CA  94709.)  

Jennifer Smith
Arab World And Islamic Resources and School Services
awair@igc.apc.org
From: uunet!ucsd!sdsu!hercules.SDSU.EDU!news@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Bible (Prophet Muhammad)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:40:40 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University


In article <23AUG199215401772@iago.caltech.edu> hareb_s@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:



>[Postmarked: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:21:21 GMT ]
:
:
:
>5. Gen. 49:10  Jacob in his conversations with his childern. said that all 
>   the prophets. both weak and strong. shall come from Judah (Israel) .The 
>   septre shall not depart from Judah until Shiloh (Muhammad) messenger form 
>   God comes. Shiloh will take the septre from Judah and unto Him (Shiloh)
>   shall the gathering of the poeple be. Shiloh is an untranslated Hebrew
>   word meaning the most important messenger from God. God promised Abraham
>   that all the prophets shall come from his descendents, either from Issac
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   or Ishmael. Shiloh is a descendent of Ishmael as previously shown in 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^*
>   Gen. 17:20. 
>   Gen. 49:16  Dan shall judge his people as though they were one of the 
>   tribes of Israel. Dan is a verb in Arabic and Hebrew meaning to judge.
>   This shows that Shiloh's poeple will another people (other than the tribes
>   of Israel).

* And this is the meaning of CHOSEN ONE, not what todays Jews think about it!





Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Convoy Aid
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: Farzin Deravi <eederavi@pyr.swan.ac.uk>
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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                           Exodus from Bosnia

Countless numbers of refugees including helpless women and
children have been turned out of their homes to face a harsh
winter without shelter. They desparately need tents, warm
winter clothing, non-perishable foods and medical supplies.
In order to take these across Europe, funds are needed to
purchase supplies, and help with getting hold of transport.

                            Convoy to Bosnia

BACO are raising money and collecting supplies for a trip
from Oxford to Bosnia by road, in mid-October.  We have
very little time before winter sets in,  so we hope to set off on
Friday 17thOctober, take two days to get there, unload and
return.  

                            How can I help ?

* By raising money: every little bit will help buy supplies.
* By collecting tinned foods and winter clothing, tents, boots, 
    and blankets.
* By helping to obtain the loan of a van or lorry for the seven 
   days or so it will take to go and come back.

                           How to get in touch
                 Bosnia Aid Committee of Oxford (BACO),
                            Registered Office
                      Suite 2, 108-110 London Road,
                       Headington, Oxford OX3 9AW.
                     Charity registration pending, 
                        Reference Number 1732641.
                      Tel. (0865) 741345 / 244962.