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From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:18:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I just got back from a convention at the Ramada Hotel in New York City.  Scott
Lobdell, writer of the X-Men, was there, and I had a chance to talk with him
for a few minutes about the subject of the traitor.
He said that originally the traitor was going to be Gambit.  However, due to
his unexpected popularity (he did mention that both Bishop and Gambit are
supposed to get their own titles next year, by the way), this was going to be
changed.
Then I asked him about Mikhail, Collosus's brother.  He said no.  Flat and 
outright no.
Pressing the point, I brought up the Arthurian imagery, suggesting Rachel or
Nathan.  Again, a flat no.
Then, so I could walk proud amongst the members of the Rogue fan club, I told
him that if it was Rogue, some people will be very upset as that would throw
away a whole lot of character development (she was a villain, can we trust
her?).  At this, he told me that Rogue was a possibility, that he was thinking
about making her the traitor.  Of course, he told me that since he now knew 
that people were actually considering her, he would have to think about it 
again.
That's what he told me.  Appears that even the writers don't know who the 
traitor is, yet.
Jonathan
jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu
From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:41:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

So far, the opinion which makes the most sense suggesting a non-obvious X-Judas
(Gambit or Bishop are too obvious; Marvel is never that direct), IMHO, is the
one suggesting it is Colossus' brother.  True, we all know "Mikey" will become
the new leader of the Morlocks now that Masque is gone, but what about in the
meantime?  And why would Mikhail leave the cozy X-Mansion for the cold, damp
sewers?  Obviously it is either for humanitarian reasons (yeah, right) or for
power.  And if it is for power, that could explain the "eliminate-the-x-men-so-
i-am-the-leader-of-the-most-powerful-mutant-group" tendencies he would need
to have in order to try to off the X-Men. 
Jonathan
From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:02:06 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <92101.212628DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  - In one of the earlier posts on this topic, it was stated that
>  "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" contradicted some of the later Star
>  Wars films. In what way did it do so? I'm frankly just curious, as
>  I don't remember much about "Splinter".  Also, I never heard of
>  "The End of the Empire"; what was this work about, and is it
>  regarded as official canon by anybody?
>
>
>                                         -- THARIZDUN

I posted the original list in the net.  I'm not sure if "The End of the Empire"
is official canon material, but I do know that it exists.  This is because I
own it.  I don't have it with me, so I don't know the author.  His last name
begins with a "V", I think.  It must be out of print by now.  It was definitely
set in the Star Wars universe after Jedi.  It din't have Luke, Han, Leia, etc.
It was about the last forces of the Empire and their struggle to survive
against the rebels.  It was interesting, because the Imperials were cast as the
protagonists.  Good luck in finding a copy.  You'll need it.

						Mike Fan
From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Ninja High School and LUM URUSEI YATSURA
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:35:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr6.233534.21701
Organization: Amherst College

madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi) writes:
: Anyone else interested in these two comics?  

Well, I don't know about LUM, never having read it, but I can say that
NHS is possibly the funniest thing I have consistenly read outside of
Groo the Wanderer. Classic cartoon-like stuff. The furry stuff is great
too! (Dog Supreme! Bwah-hah-hah-hah!) The pure absuridty of it makes my
day. I don't know if I could put up with the Manga crowd without my
(somewhat) monthly shot of NHS.

: Are there any other
: comics out there like these two (you know, Teenages from Outer Space genre)
: especially with strong female casts?

I've been sitting here for about 10 minutes and suddenly realized that I
can't think of a single comic I read that is similar to NHS. How odd.
Are there just not that many out there or am I just reading the wrong
stuff? 

later days!
--dt

--
Dennis E. Thomas, Vagrant	   |    Amherst _still_ hasn't figured out 
dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu 	   |     what do do with me, how could I 
roach@aux1.amherst.edu		   |    possibly presume to speak for them?
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From: khale@alydar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Batman 479-A Gotham Tale (SPOILERS)
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:12:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: alydar

In article <1992Apr10.014029.21393@hamblin.math.byu.edu> dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson) writes:
Spoilers Ahead

>Well, it appears that DC actually did something unexpected--

>Does anyone know if the Gargoyle has actually appeared elsewhere, or is this
> a new character, written to be an established part of the DC Universe.

There was an old Teen Titans foe called the Gargoyle. He fought the titans
on a few occasions and went up against Batman/GA once. His last appearance was
in a Secret Origins special about 3 years back. 

But the other Gargoyle had a completely different origin and somewhat
different powers. So yes, this is a new character, as far as I know. 

This is the first mainstream Bats story I've read in quite a while and I thought
it was quite good. John Wagner (same guy who writes Dredd ?) had a fairly 
original plot and followed it up well. I had some problems with the first part,
and with Batman saying that he and <whatsisname> (the other guy) would pick
who would live and who would die. { You figure Bruce would take the noble way
and go out himself }. But the second part of the storyline explained this. 

Now if more Bat-authors would write stuff like this. I gave up on Batman a
while back because I was tired of  having batman fights villain of the month 
story, or Batman fights X for the soul of Gotham, wins but discovers in the
process that he is closer to X than he would like.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-notes
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:34:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.184507.3651@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>
>>just nitpicking here.  (Personally, I think she was using her powers on
>>Cyclops, but I have no idea why.  Maybe Psylocke is the traitor...)
>
>	I don't think she's the traitor, I think that maybe she just wants
>Cyke's bod...I mean he is kinda built and all...(Makes me wish I could fire
>ruby red beams...)

I don't really think she's the traitor either; I just posted that as a
joke about all these big discussion about who the traitor is, when (IMO)
there really isn't one.  (Esp. if you talk to Scott Lobdell, apparantly)
It's all just a ruse, and will probably be eventually forgotten in a few
years, like so many other subplots (I wanna know the connection between
Nightcrawler and Mystique, dammit!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 08:14:14 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: A Plotting I will Go, a Plotting I will Go, High Ho the merry O

After putting out this last one, I am sorry for stepping on the toes of
Marvel and Peter David.  Peter, I know it sounded way presumtuous to actually
post this story so far as actually having it published, and I originally
intended to do this story with my characters.  However, if something like
this is put out, don't worry.  I'm sure (not so) great minds think alike,
and this isn't my only story.  I'm not gonna try and sue if I see something
similar to this, mainly because I'd just be too ecstatic over seeing an
idea inspired by me (suitably doctored for actual comics) actually in print.
Also, don't be upset with my actually presuming I'd have an important enough
idea like this ahead of any of the decent writers out there, or that
you'd get this around on the list.

Besides, isn't it the goal of fan fiction everywhere that it actually make it
into the genre and "universe" of the characters it's intended for?  To some
like me, that's as huge a reward as possible.

Doug.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wolverine
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Apr9.215213.26431
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr9.210706.17887@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>	Agreed.  I think Marvel won't allow any one writer to define
>Wolverine's history to:
>	(a) Keep us buying the books.s
>	(b) Prevent having to retcon everything all the way back to his
>first appearance, with at the rate their going, they'll have to do anyway.
>
>	I just wish they would explain FULLY one aspect of his "mysterious
>origin" before introducting three more.  As it stands now, with all of
>the people he supposedly knows and all the adventures he's supposedly had,
>he should be older than Chuck X.
>					IMHO of course,
>						Raythrax

Actually, "Raythrax" (if that is your real name), it's been stated that, in
all probability, Wolverine IS older than Prof. X.  His healing factor
supposedly causes him to age at a slower than normal rate.  (As evidence
of his age, it's been stated that Prof. X fought in the Korean War, while
it's also been stated that Wolverine fought in World War II).

The worst part about this aging thing is that in Guardians of the Galaxy,
it's been hinted at that Wolverine is STILL ALIVE then.  One thousand
years in the future!!!!!!!!  (It hasn't been said directly yet, just
seriously hinted at, although in the GotG letters page, they try to make
you think otherwise)
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Straw poll, take 3:  r.a.manga or r.a.comics.manga?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:36:18 GMT
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From: j0d7858@rigel.tamu.edu (DABELIC, JERKO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor i.e. Gambit
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:50:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the idea that Gambit is the traitor.  It just
makes out to be far too simple plot.  I mean what good does dragging out his
presumed guilt (as by the accusations of Bishop) do?  It just doesn't add up.
I mean don't you change history automatically by coming back and telling
somebody that they are a traitor.  I mean once told, he/she could prevent it.
And on top of that it would make the others weary of each others actions.  In
a way I can see Marvel adding a bizarre twist and use Bishop as the traitor.
It makes perfect sense in a way, the betrayed becoming the betrayor.  Yet, I'm
kind of convinced that their traitor is non-exsistant or is yet to make an
appearance among the X-titles.  I mean you could drag this thing on forever.
You could say why not Shadowcat and Nightcrawler because they are still pissed
off at the rest of the X-Men for dying and not bothering to tell them that they
were still alive.  Yet, in X-men #8 doesn't Bishop tell Gambit he was raised by
him after the "Great Betrayal."  So if Gambit raises Bishop how can Gambit still
be the traitor.  It would seem Gambit would be trying to "preserve" the dream.
As far as the other possible traitors:

Wolverine - too popular
Cyclops - Original member wouldn't betray dream
Jean - ditto
Hank - ditto
Iceman - ditto
Archangel - ditto
Jubilee - too young and too ignorant
Storm - former leader - again wouldn't betray dream
Rogue - maybe, but doubt it ... 'side she's the hottest X-chick
Collosus - maybe - but somewhere deep down he's a pacifist still
Forge - quite possibly - he created a gun to zap Storm's power - why not
Banshee - sure - boring character why not make him exciting
Psylocke - nah. well then again she could snap back to an Elektra complex
Longshot - nope too lucky
Dazzler - *shrug*
Xavier - Now there would be the ultimate plot twist in Marvel history!!!

Just some ideas folks.  So don't get in a huff.
From: RDAY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Professor X (X-Men Cards)
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:42:38 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <72822@netnews.upenn.edu>
fhuang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (->  `BOGUEMAN'  <-) writes:

>
>
>	I bought the X-Men card set a few days ago and noticed that
>Professor X, the preeminent telepath on Earth, was only rated a 6
>(out of 7) in `mental strength.' Jean Grey is also rated a 6 while
>Phoenix (Rachel Summers) is rated a 7. All respect due to Jean and
>Phoenix and their tk powers, but let's give ol' chrome-dome
>wheelchairman some respect.
>

While your at it...take a look at the strength level of Havok.  A ONE?!?!?!
I couldn't believe it.  He's on the same level as Lochheed.

Go figure eh?

Just My opinion

Jeff
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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:56:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.010229.18368@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>Since a lot of people have been posting on this subject, I thought
>I'd throw in my 0.02 worth.
>
>----------------------How I'd Reform Marvel------------------------
>
>First, I'd do a "Crisis", a la DC, and get rid of a lot of the deadwood.
>Get rid of most of the crap that Shooter and DeFalco (especially 
>the latter) were responsible for. A few things I'd do will be
>a) Undo, by whatever means necessary the resurrection of Jean Grey.
>b) Kill Ghost Rider and Cable in particularly vicious methods.
>c) Recreate the New Mutants.
>
stuff deleted
>
>After the previous had worked out, I'd start broadening the line again.
>I'd start to create mature titles, a la DC. I'd also encourage experimental
>work from the creators, new slants on old characters. 
>
>Arthur C. Adams - E-Mail acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu


There is a trend... no it's more of an avalanche... in comicdom in
general to continually create new characters when sales are down.
Marvel created a whole new friggin' universe!

It's time that the talent started working on the "old" characters, to
revitalize them.  I hear that Wonder Woman and the Hulk have undergone
some of this, but we need more!  Maybe not a paradigm shift like
Batman, just good writing, incorporating the best of the villians
and characters.

They don't have to kill anyone off.  Just get the emphasis back where
it belongs.  Introducing new characters used to be a big event.  Now
it's every day.


						John F Sasso

This is all IMHO, of course.


-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
"I am not the False Bob, I am a free man."  The Book of FalseBobs
"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 92 12:28:13 CST
From:         X82217GB@WUVMD
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: DC: General Editorial plans for '92
Newsgroups:   rec.arts.comics

John Bullough asked:
>What else has David Micheline written? The name sounds familiar, but
>I can't attach it to anything more specific...

Someone already mentioned Micheline's Iron Man stories and his current
run on SpiderMan, but Micheline also wrote quite a number of the Avengers
issues (somewhere between #155 and #200, I believe) with artwork by Byrne
and Perez.

Before he made a name for himself at Marvel, he'd already spent a few
respectable years at DC as the regular writer on the Aquaman revival
in Adventure Comics (which was strong enough to revive Aquaman's own
title for awhile) as well as a decent run on the Phantom Stranger and
Swamp Thing series.  Can't remember if the PS stories were done with
Aparo, but most of the Swamp Things were beautifully drawn by Nestor
Redondo.

As someone _else_ noted his Unknown Soldier stories, and the many many mystery
and war-related back-up tales, there's only two other DC series I can think of
right now:  an attempted Superboy revival in Adventure Comics and Micheline's
own creation, the Star-Hunters, with art by Don Newton.

And then there was the also-aforementioned Claw the Unconquered, with art by
Ernie Chua/Chan and later by Keith Giffen.  Does anyone remember the flack
between DC and Jim Steranko over this title?  I seem to recall Steranko
feeling that DC had stolen the idea from one of his own creations...

                                --GRB
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Killing Joke (help needed)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:57:34 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr9.173752.26881@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>Since others have replied to your question, I'll take the opportunity to 
>address a peripheral issue: what the heck does anyone care, anyway?  Especially
>with a book like this.  In my opinion, paying inflated prices for a first
>printing of Killing Joke when you can get an Xth printing for cover price
>is idiotic.  I don't understand the rationale, maybe someone out there can
>enlighten me.  
>
>Kevvy Kev


And next week we'll discuss the futures and options market.

Why buy a first edition?
Because it's worth lots of money.
Why?
Because someone is willing to pay lots of money.
Why?
Because he's a collector.
Why?
Because... Uh...  Why do I have all those comics?

(Note:  I did sell my TMNT#1 first printing for $50 a long, long
time ago, when it was worth *only* $100.  Gee, I wonder what it's
going for these days ;-))

							JFS



-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
"I am not the False Bob, I am a free man."  The Book of FalseBobs
"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
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From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:39:43 GMT

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>If anyone's remotely interested in my own view of humor in my work...

Gee, what makes you think you know anything about it?  :<)

>Generally, when I use humor, it's with the intent of contrasting to a serious
>situation--either a moment of levity in the middle of a difficult situation,
>or else something funny that relaxes the reader so that, when something
>bad goes down, the reader is then caught off guard.

I guess, then, the parts that don't work for me come across as diluting the
seriousness, rather than contrasting to it.  As someone else, it's a difficult
line to walk, and you do it well for the most part, but sometimes you fall
off.  Keep 'em coming!




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From: hartman-edward@CS.YALE.EDU (Edward Hartman)
Subject: The Cowboy Wally Show and Kyle Baker
Keywords: Cowboy Wally, Kyle Baker
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:36:27 GMT


Around 1987, I encountered (and bought) what I believe is the most hugely
entertaining object ever to be brought forth in the history of man which was,
to speak in precise terms, a copy of (Spiderman artist) Kyle Baker's 
_The Cowboy Wally Show_. 

Can anybody give me any information whatever on Wally, whether it be source
material, further Wally adventures, how Baker came up with the idea, more on
Baker, etc?

	-Eddie R. Hartman
From: uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:39:56 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr11.035053.18219@wam.umd.edu>  
rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:
> Is there any reason given why rogue can not control her powers?
> Is it just a matter of mastering control or is her power just  
> uncontrollable?

	Her power has been uncontrollable from the first time it  
manifested itself.  Xavier thought it could be controlled, which is why  
she joined the School for Gifted Youngsters in the first place.  (Anybody  
beside me remember that?  Rogue seems to have forgotten it....)  

> Is there anyone that her powers don't work on?

	Well, Mephisto (in Mephisto Vs. -team of the month-).  Loki (in  
the X-men/Alpha Flight L.S. -- great story).  It reacted weird with Magus.   
I can't really think of anyone else, but I'm sure they're out there....

> Same question goes for Cyclops, is there something wrong with him or
> is his power just uncontrollable?

	When Cyke was a little kid -- before he gained his powers -- he  
suffered brain damage from a fall.  (Circumstances of fall are not  
important to this answer...)  The part of his brain that was hurt was the  
part that controlled his powers.  So, when his powers appeared, they were  
always on.  

Hope that helps,
Mushroom
From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-JUDAS...
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:02:08 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Just my $.01 concerning this X-Traitor thingie:
There will be NO such thing as a traitor in the X-Men, because

a) The future that Bishop is talking about isn't going to happen due to him
being trapped in our time, thus changing history (&future)

b)IF Bishops appearance in our time wouldn't change the future, then that would
mean that marvel would have to kill the X-Men, and what are the chances of that
ever happening ??  (Marvel: yeah, sure, let's kill the X-Men,it's only selling
more than anything else on the market)

(100% IMHO)

P.S. I've been off-net a while so pardon me if I am repeating something that
has been said.

P.P.S No use flaming me for my opinions, Ill just ignore you.


MIKA