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From: corre@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan D Corre)
Newsgroups: milw.general
Subject: Flax seed
Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:57:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: milw
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: corre@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


Can anyone tell me where I can buy flax seed in Milw?  I used to get it at
Pick and Save on E. Capitol Dr., but they dont carry it any more. Thanx.

-- 
Alan D. Corre
Department of Hebrew Studies
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                     (414) 229-4245
PO Box 413, Milwaukee, WI 53201               corre@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu (K. M. A. Rahman)
Newsgroups: milw.general
Subject: Ride share to Cincinnati
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:07:28 GMT
Organization: Department of EECE, Marquette University
Reply-To: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

 I am planning to go to Cincinnati on April 17 or 18 for 2/3 days.
> Anybody interested in sharing the ride and/or the trip out there?
> Please e-mail.
> Thanks,

 -Anis.
Newsgroups: milw.general
From: Daniel.Woodward <Daniel.Woodward@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Post Holidays Blues--After Inventory--Rumage Sale
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: wi
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:12:27 GMT

                            A T E N T I O N
                ALL MILWAUKEE-AREA COMPUTER ENTHUSIASTS
 
Software ONE, a New Berlin-based national reseller, will be holding its "Post
Holidays Blues--After Inventory--Rummage Sale" this coming January.  A wide
variety of hardware and software will be available at special prices.  
 
Those of you who made it to our "Sidewalk Sale" last year found some great
bargains and will not want to miss this one.  The deals will be even BETTER. 
Software ONE will be offering monitors, modems, printers, and more at great
prices.  Also included in the sale will be software by Enable, Fifth
Generation Systems, Hewlett Packard, Lotus, Power Up, Solution Systems,
Symantec, and more. 
 
This sale is open to Milwaukee-area computer enthusiasts and users of this
BBS.  Bring your friends down, everyone is welcome.  This is a great
opportunity to get some of those things YOU wanted for Christmas, but no one
in your family thought of (It happens to all of us).
 
                        WATCH FOR MORE INFORMATION

-- 
If all the worlds a stage,
and we are merely actors,
then I want to read the script. . . .           Daniel.Woodward@mixcom.com
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From: eli@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Elihu Lubkin)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:18:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco) writes:
: I did notice that in the document "Services and Fees for External Use of UWM
: Computers and Networks", UWM offers apparently unrestricted use of telnet
: and ftp on the Convex, for paying users.  I was considering whether or not
: this was appropriate on WiscNet, since most paying Convex users would be (I
: would assume) businesses.

     My company recently got internet access through UWM.  Although we
     are a large company, our research budget is miniscule: I think the
     main users of the new access will be our research people.
     Research in private industry is taking a bad beating in today's
     economy--this particular paying connection is definitely in 
     support of research, in complete compliance with the spirit of
     WiscNet's charter.
                              --Thelma Lubkin

: ... Joe
: 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Joe Greco - System Administrator		       jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us
: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI			   414/321-9287















Newsgroups: milw.general,uwm.general,uw.forsale,wi.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,sol.general
From: jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us (Joe Greco)
Subject: 386DX-20 motherboard, case, and power supply for sale
Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI
Distribution: wi
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:19:28 GMT

I'm looking to sell a 386DX-20 I have sitting around doing me no good.  The
unit's a nice, reliable machine.  I believe it was used for about six months
by it's previous owner, and it is in very good shape.  

What's included?
	- A nice DTK tower case, 3 half height floppy bays, and two internal
	  full height bays.
	- A 386DX-20 motherboard with 1M RAM.
	- A decent power supply (not sure of wattage offhand, but it ran
	  a full complement of expansion cards, two Wren drives, and
	  two floppies without complaint).
	- Two serial, one parallel port on the motherboard.
	- Original documentation, and I believe I still have the shipping
	  container.
	- A CGA card I installed.

What's not included?
	- Anything else.

Why am I getting rid of it?  Because it'd be expensive to add the hard disk
and floppy it needs to make it useful.  I had both, borrowed, and the unit
runs fine.  I was going to run 386BSD on it, but the owner of the hard disk
needed it back, and I sold the floppy.

This would be a great chance for someone upgrading from a 286/12!

Oh, I also obtained an 8M RAM expansion card for it, with 4M installed.  I
haven't been able to check to see if it works with DesqView or anything (no
drives on the machine), but it passes the RAM test.  Included free to the
purchaser of the machine.

I'm looking for $350, buyer pays shipping.  Mail your offers to me.

... Joe

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Greco - System Administrator		       jgreco@solaria.mil.wi.us
Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI			   414/321-9287
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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
Newsgroups: milw.general,milw.unix
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Internet connection options
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:38:30 GMT
Organization: Just me.
Distribution: wi
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: You should start out simple, then work your way up.

alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) writes:
>If I can ask a few followup questions...
>
>I'll be graduating from UWM in about six months, at which time my access
>to Internet will vaporize.  I'm interested in regaining access at that time,
>but do not know how.  The few parts of this ongoing discussion would be
>helpful IF I knew what PPP and SLIP we're.

PPP = Point-to-Point Protocol		SLIP = Serial Line Internet Protocol

These are two protocols used to communicate between two machines so that you
can do nifty real-time-ish things like "ftp" and "telnet".  If all you're
interested in is E-mail and Usenet News, you'd best just forget PPP and SLIP
for now, and get a user-account on a local Usenet access machine like MIXCOM.

If you're desperate for The Real(time) Thing [tm?], you might check with the
U.W. Milwaukee Chemistry Department about getting your account on "alchemy"
converted over to an Alumni account (if they have such a thing).

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
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From: roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise)
Newsgroups: pnw.motss,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Christmas decoration spotted
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:58:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.ROISE.92Dec17225804
Distribution: usa
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu
In-reply-to: donn@brat.wa.com's message of 11 Dec 92 03:04:52 GMT

In article <1364@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:

   About a block from my home, there is a home with christmas
   lights up.

   There is a ten foot pink triangle hanging on the back of 
   a home, right along the highway.

   It looks grand.

YES!  Glad to hear it.

BTW, does anyone know why gaynet has nothing coming in, at least to UW
and SU netnews?
--
Linda Roise
Seattle, WA, USA
roise@sumax.seattleu.edu
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From: lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner)
Newsgroups: pnw.motss,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Christmas decoration spotted
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:13:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec19.001352.26436
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

It looks as if attempts are being made to get gaynet working again.
If you are just "tuning in," gaynet is an electronic news and information
service and roundtable available either by direct subscription or on usenet.
There have been technical problems with the listserver which have kept it
from going out for about a month. It appears that now John Perkins, the
list moderator is trying to get gaynet up and running again.




>
>Date: 03 Dec 1992 09:43:40 -0400 (EDT)
>From: John Emanuel Perkins <PERKINS@ksuvxa.kent.edu>
>Subject: Test of new listserver...Phase 1
>
>Well folks, Let's see if my change to the NEW listserver
will make it
>work for us so We can get Gaynet working properly again.
>
>Phase 1 is to test the distribution of a normal message
(This one).
>
>Phase 2 will be a test of an anonymous message.
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions) 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:07:44 GMT

Some of these people who talk about how they ``know how to drive in
snow'' (and by extension, most everyone else doesn't) and spin yarns
about how they made it through snow-covered passes without bothering
to put on chains remind me somewhat about those general aviation
pilots who brag about how they know how to fly in thunderstorms, and
how they do it all the time.  True, you can fly into the side of a
level 3 cell and come out the other side none the worst for wear.  But
you can also fly into the side and come out the bottom; and even
experienced pilots do so.

There is another factor to consider as well -- no matter how good you
or your vehicle may be on poor traction surfaces, that isn't going to
help you if the pickup in front of you loses it in an oversteer and
spins into you.

Choosing not to drive in snow or ice unless absolutely necessary is
not a mark of wimpiness; it is prudence.  This is particularly the
case when you have individuals on the roads who observe adverse
conditions and who intentionally push the margin even narrower.  Foul
weather seems to encourage Seattle drivers to tailgate more, even when
traffic is moving at or above the speed limit!

Risk assessment is one of the important aspects of a performance
driving school (*not* high-school driver's ed or the K-Mart Driving
School).  Those individuals who are self-taught, or taught by family
or friends, miss out on this and other benefits of professional
training.  They may acquire some ``seat of the pants'' folklore along
the way, but in the long run they end up disproportionately
represented in the accident statistics.

Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: randall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Organization: Hairballs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:11:52 GMT

Ok, we all have different thoughts on this subject. Here's what I have
found. Each car handles differently. There are major differences between
front and rear wheel drive vehicles. BUT, there is also weight distribution,
center of gravity, vehicle weight etc that affect it's handling. Take my car
for instance. `89 Honda Accord Lxi, front wheel drive, fuel-injected. It was
my first Front-WD car, so I took it down to Portland International Raceway
for a Race Driver Training class through a Racing Club. It was REALLY
enlightening. I found that in MY car I steer into a skid (standard for
front-wheel drive), but I needed to let off the gas (Non-typical for
front-wheel drive!). Some cars have understeer, (the front slides farther
than the rear in a skid, lessening the effect of steering), and others have
oversteer (the rear wants to slide past the front, typical of *many* rear
wheel drive cars). There is no point in arguing about right and wrong. If
you find what works for *your* car, practice enough to make it habit. I also
recommend professional training. Contact your local Race Track and ask for
the number of any clubs. Most have some training program, and many don't
mind having people come through for personal awareness reasons (as I did).

-- 
  Michael W. Randall           | Don't put animals with sharp teeth
  randall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com | or poisonous fangs  down the front
   ...!uunet!bcstec!randall    | of your clothes.   -- Mike Harding
From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:18:31 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <1992Dec17.045418.22907@eskimo.com> wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
:In article <1992Dec16.051316.3202@sopwith.uucp> snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy) writes:
:>The drivetrain doesn't matter.  Always steer where you want to go.
:>And always look where you want to go.  Don't look at the phone pole
:>or the other car, watch the nice clear lane you want the car to stay in.
:>
:Sheesh!  Where do these people come from?  Southern CA?

No, I'll bet Snoopy came from a performance driving school.  The advice
he gave is very good in that we humans tend to steer vehicles were we
are looking and we tend to look at hazards instead of the direction 
we need to go to avoid them.  It's called fixation and it kills people.

Snoopy gives some reall good advice, but should have mentioned the
mechanics of handling a sliding car like you do below.

You laid it out so well i'm leaving it in to be seen again.

:If you have a _rear_wheel_ drive, you steer _into_ the direction
:of the skid!  Also, let off the gas just a little, and _do_not_
:touch the brakes!  If you don't believe that, find an empty parking
:lot with some snow on it and play around a while.  If you try to
:steer away from the direction of the skid you will be going
:around in circles very quickly!  (From the looks of the weather
:outside, there should be quite a few of them around pretty
:quick!)
:
:If you have a _front_wheel_ drive, keep your front wheels pointed
:down the highway and give it a little gas, and you will quickly
:be on your way.

This assumes that it is only your rear wheels that are sliding.  If you
are on slippery ice, and you lose front traction you are *gone*.

:Of course, if you are driving way over your head, or too fast for
:conditions, and everything comes unstuck, hang on and pray to
:whatever diety you prefer!

Better advice: slow down and don't tailgate those who are driving
slower than you.  They may not have your abilities/guts/stupidity.



         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Weather on I-5?
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:09:36 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

Stuart Lewis offers some excellent advice about driving in snow.  My
two bits' worth:

	"When driving in snow *always* light on the gas, light on the
	brakes."

And, if you have a manual transmission, don't use first gear.
Accelerate from a stop in second gear.  You're less likely to lose
traction.

	"turn into a skid ..."

This is for rear wheel drive.  If you have front wheel drive, turn in
the direction that you want to go.  In snow country, this alone was a
good reason to buy front wheel drive -- the natural reflex is the right
one in this situation.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Weather on I-5?
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"I'd suggest turning to the coast at Eugene, then you can hop
	over to I-5 in CA, or drive the rest of the way south on 101.
	This might take an extra four hours ..."

I did this once.  The entire coast was buried in pea fog.  We crept
along at 30MPH for an entire day, and we couldn't see the scenery.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:11:37 GMT

In <1992Dec17.045418.22907@eskimo.com> wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.051316.3202@sopwith.uucp> snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy) writes:
>>In article <2341@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>>
>>|	"turn into a skid ..."
>>|
>>| This is for rear wheel drive.  If you have front wheel drive, turn in
>>| the direction that you want to go.  In snow country, this alone was a
>>| good reason to buy front wheel drive -- the natural reflex is the right
>>| one in this situation.
>>
>>The drivetrain doesn't matter.  Always steer where you want to go.
>>And always look where you want to go.  Don't look at the phone pole
>>or the other car, watch the nice clear lane you want the car to stay in.
>>
>Sheesh!  Where do these people come from?  Southern CA?

Hey, everyone knows that we Seattlites panic when we see an inch of snow
on the ground and can't drive in slush without training wheels. (Why do
you think there are so many spin-outs on icy mornings?  We just don't get
the practice on this stuff that the Mid-Westerner's do.)  ;>

>with Swedish ice racing studs in the front tires, ... well, you
>could just about go anywhere, anytime you wanted!

That does it!  I'm getting studded tires for my mountain bike! :>
(To, uh, use with my helmet, of course.... :> )

Crystal
   ;>
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Metro's fault...
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:45:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec17.174557.254
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

Last night, I was walking home from the grocery store and I noticed
that the traffic was backed up as if an accident was blocking
traffic.

Sure enough, the Metro #73 had managed to skid on the slushy street
as it was trying to turn a corner and had scored a direct hit on
a steel traffic light pole.  This was a one-vehicle accident, so
it was obvious who was at fault for it.  (In addition, NE 145th
St. was only _slushy_; as someone who learned to drive in the
Rockies it always amazes me how much trouble a piddling snowfall
can cause some people.  But I digress.)

Anyway, right after I walked passed the scene of the accident, the
driver's window opened and a mostly-eaten apple sailed out of it.
I was wondering what on earth was going on, when I looked up and
noticed a message scrolling across the green dot-matrix display
that normally displays the route number and destination:

	bus error (core dumped)

-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:42:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec20.004237.7400
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>>The drivetrain doesn't matter.  Always steer where you want to go.
>>And always look where you want to go.  Don't look at the phone pole
>>or the other car, watch the nice clear lane you want the car to stay in.
>>
>Sheesh!  Where do these people come from?  Southern CA?
>
>If you have a _rear_wheel_ drive, you steer _into_ the direction
...
>If you have a _front_wheel_ drive, keep your front wheels pointed
>down the highway and give it a little gas, and you will quickly
>be on your way.

Maybe they come from Washington, where the Washington Driver's Guide says
this about skids:

	To control a car as it begins to skid, turn the front wheels
	so you steer in the directions of the skid.  Keep your foot
	off the brake and clutch pedal and slowly reduce speed.

Note that they make no distinction between rear wheel drive and front
wheel drive.

Furthermore, aren't your two suggestions actually the same?  Imagine a
car skidding on a road going North.  The road and the car are both
going North, while the car is pointing, say, 30 degrees West.

If it is rear wheel drive, and I steer in the direction of the skid,
I will want to turn my wheels right relative to the car.

If it is front wheel drive, and I point my wheels down the highway,
I will want to turn my wheels right relative to the car.

When would (turning in the direction of the skid) and (pointing the
wheels down the road) not be the same?

--Tim Smith
From: wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:54:18 GMT
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

In article <1992Dec16.051316.3202@sopwith.uucp> snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy) writes:
>In article <2341@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>
>|	"turn into a skid ..."
>|
>| This is for rear wheel drive.  If you have front wheel drive, turn in
>| the direction that you want to go.  In snow country, this alone was a
>| good reason to buy front wheel drive -- the natural reflex is the right
>| one in this situation.
>
>The drivetrain doesn't matter.  Always steer where you want to go.
>And always look where you want to go.  Don't look at the phone pole
>or the other car, watch the nice clear lane you want the car to stay in.
>
Sheesh!  Where do these people come from?  Southern CA?

If you have a _rear_wheel_ drive, you steer _into_ the direction
of the skid!  Also, let off the gas just a little, and _do_not_
touch the brakes!  If you don't believe that, find an empty parking
lot with some snow on it and play around a while.  If you try to
steer away from the direction of the skid you will be going
around in circles very quickly!  (From the looks of the weather
outside, there should be quite a few of them around pretty
quick!)

If you have a _front_wheel_ drive, keep your front wheels pointed
down the highway and give it a little gas, and you will quickly
be on your way.

Of course, if you are driving way over your head, or too fast for
conditions, and everything comes unstuck, hang on and pray to
whatever diety you prefer!

BTW, the best snow and ice car I ever drove was the old Saab 96.
Uglier than just about anything you want to name, but on just
about any surface, you pointed the front wheels where you wanted
to go and stepped on the gas, and that is where it went!  And
with Swedish ice racing studs in the front tires, ... well, you
could just about go anywhere, anytime you wanted!
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