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From: esucv@warwick.ac.uk (TOny M)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Help me find Depeche Mode's "Route 66"
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:46:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <3gvj56f@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>ah897@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Lai) writes:
>
>> I would like a copy of Depeche Mode's "Route 66" on cd.  The straight
>> version...not the remixes with "Behind the Wheel".
>
>"Behind The Wheel" was recently reissued on CD:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Behind The Wheel / Route 66
>
>   CD5:	1991 GE (Mute CD BONG 15) (Int: 826.993)
>	  4:02	Behind The Wheel (remix)
>	  4:10	Route 66
>	  5:55	Behind The Wheel (shep pettibone mix)
>	  6:20	Route 66 (beatmasters mix)
>	  8:00	Behind The Wheel (beatmasters mix)
>	 10:41	Route 66 (casualty mix)
>	  5:19	Behind The Wheel (lp mix)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>These are the "clean" remixes of '66, not the BTW/66 megamixes.

The version of Route 66 heard in '101' was the beatmasters mix, which you can
see is on the above German CD.

-----TOny-----
-- 
Tony Marshall          |
University of Warwick  |"Haha, and that's where I had you fooled because it's
Coventry UK            |       not a ferret, it's a pig!!" - Vyvyan
esucv@csv.warwick.ac.uk|
From: garyj@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Gary Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Noteworty ROEG users?
Summary: ROEG problems
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:09:19 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <KENDALL.92Apr15213846@pygmy.rice.edu>, kendall@pygmy.rice.edu (Kendall Helmstetter Gelner) writes:
> Is there anyone out there who has joined up with the Noteworthy ROEG user
> thing?  It sounds like a great bargain... for a mere $5 deposit (refunded
> on your first order) you get the whole Noteworthy catalog (13,000+
> titles!!) on disk, along with a program to help you search through the
> list... in addition, if you have a modem, you can select and order the CD's
> you want using the program, and you can also get your on-disk catalog updated
> by modem as well (you even can select the categories you want updated...).
> 
> So, if anyone has it, could you tell me if it's really as good as it
> sounds?
> 

I've received both the original 1.00 program as well as the 1.00a bug fix
disk. If I could ever get the thing to talk to my modem, this program may
be useful. Problems encountered:

        1. In the original catalog announcement, to the best of my memory,
        somebody please let me know if I missed this point, this program 
	was supposed to work with any IBM compatable pc. What they didn't 
	say was that the disk would come on high density disks.  My lowly 
	XT only has low density disks. I ended up taking the disks to work, 
	copying them to a hard disk and using a backup program to get them 
	on 3.5" 720k floppys.

        2. bacause of the disk problem, the install program bombed after
        the first disk. I had the run the other two disk install .exe files
        by hand. I have every indication that it all installed successfully.

When I finally got the thing up & running, I configured all of the screens:
shipping preference, backorder preference, visa card number, shipping address.

The first thing I tried to do was connect with Noteworthy to download any
catalog updates. I didn't really expect any, but I wanted to check out the
communications. After the DTR light lit on my modem (as I would expect it),
I got a cryptic error message, something about ".t., was being forced high".
and that the program would not work this was. I got the same error message
after the 1.00a upgrade was installed. 

Note: Noteworthy says not to even attempt to logon without the 1.00a update.

I may try my other modem next week. The present modem is a Telebit T1000
with more configurable parameters then Noteworthy has CDs. I'm really 
beginning to wonder why I'm going to all of this trouble just so I can
load up my Visa card!

Gary Johnson

FYI- My one and only order from Noteworthy was delivered exactly as 
advertised.
From: gl18+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gabriel Llinas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Men Without Hats cd for sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:53:31 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have a copy of Sideways for sale.
Leave email and make an offer, offers will be taken till saturday.
highest bidder takes it.
Thanks
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: APOLOGY (was Re: RARE CDs FOR SALE (WARNING: 900+ lines))
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:26:38 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <46166@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
> >In article <34974@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
> >>Here is my completed list of CDs for sale....
> 
> In article <46106@dime.cs.umass.edu> I responded:
> >I answered your article, which was posted from Florida, and
> >I got an answer from someone in *Norway*...
> 
> 	I sincerely apologize to John Young for my posting above.
> By a bizarre coincidence, the e-mail I got from Norway was totally
> unrelated to John's CD sale!
> 
> 	I think my mistake was understandable.  The mail from Norway was
> about an extremely similar subject, and the sender didn't say anything
> except "I can't give more details because of the enormous response."
> But I indeed jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Yeah, but this kind of semi-commercial sale *still* belongs in Goldmine,
not on the net.  There's not a word in the posting to make be believe
that this is sale or trimming of a personal collection as opposed to a
for-profit activity.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: fdm@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Frank D. Malczewski)
Subject: Re: YES fans read...
Organization: Contel Federal Systems
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.100152.3304@rose.uucp> lorne.murphy@rose.uucp (lorne murphy) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 04-10-92 22:12
>If you are not into collecting ALL of YES' stuff (just for show), then
>the YES CD's that are "must-gets" are, in order of importance,
>
>1)GOING FOR THE ONE
>2)THE YES ALBUM
>3)TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS
>4)TORMATO
>5)FRAGILE
>6)CLOSE TO THE EDGE
>7)RELAYER
>8)DRAMA
>
>
>These are the best-sounding old YES discs.....
>
>LM
>---


Although I would move Close To The Edge up to 2 and The Yes Album down
to 4, you have managed to rank them pretty much in terms of sound quality
as well.  Relayer / Fragile / Tales are pretty marginal, certainly nowhere
near as well mastered as some of the original LPs.

IMO, I would strike Tormato, Union, and maybe Relayer from the list as
"must gets".  I don't have Drama, so reserve opinion there.  These three
are the last ones I've gotten, and each time I got one of them, I wondered
why don't I just quit while I'm ahead.  Yes has made some of the greatest
albums ever made, but some of their output has been pretty lame (this from
a used-to-be-Yes-worshipper).


--Frank Malczewski                        (fdm@wlv.imsd.contel.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: lorne.murphy@rose.uucp (lorne murphy)
Subject: RE: YES fans read...
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:01:51 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-10-92 22:12
If you are not into collecting ALL of YES' stuff (just for show), then
the YES CD's that are "must-gets" are, in order of importance,

1)GOING FOR THE ONE
2)THE YES ALBUM
3)TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS
4)TORMATO
5)FRAGILE
6)CLOSE TO THE EDGE
7)RELAYER
8)DRAMA


These are the best-sounding old YES discs.....

LM
---
   SLMR 2.1a   %In and around the lake-mountains come out of the sky%
   RM 1.60: Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363
From: deery@cs.kun.nl (Ashwin Hirschi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Desert Moon, Dennis Deyoung ???
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In <saftcINNsv6@agate.berkeley.edu> sam@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Chen) writes:


>	Please help me !!! I am still looking for the song Desert Moon.
>	One person on the net tell me it's sang by Dennis Deyoung but
>	when I try to look it up, the same song appear until 4 artist
>	but none of them shows Dennis Deyoung. I am wondering if anyone
>	can help me by giving me the title to the album, whether it is  
>	available on CD or tape, where to get a copy of it or any 
>	information about it. I really want to find one.  Thanks for any
>	response.


Dennis DeYoung (from Styx) really did do this song. It was - and still 
is - on his first solo album. The album, unsurprisingly enough, is
called 'Desert moon'. The album has been released on CD (as have DeYoung's
other two very fine albums) and dates back from 1984.
By the way, I really like Tom Dziallo's guitar playing on these albums!
Does anybody know any other stuff Dziallo did?


-- Ashwin Hirschi
   email: deery@cs.kun.nl

[no signature is a signature]
From: jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Repost: RARE CDs FOR SALE!!! (over 800 CDs)!!!
Keywords: NIRVANA, PINK FLOYD, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:37:07 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I just have a few more words to say on my behalf...

First, to equate selling bootleg CDs with selling drugs over the net is the
most asinine thing I have ever heard...if you are going to defend your
position, at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look like an idiot.

Secondly, as someone pointed out...the laws which govern live recordings
in Italy are VERY different than the U.S.  There used to be a 20 year wait
before live recordings entered the "public domain"...then it was reduced to
15 years...now, who knows?  I have a Great Dane CD recorded last year on
Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever tour that you can buy on your Master Card direct
from Great Dane in Italy...do you know why?  BECAUSE THAT CD IS LEGAL IN 
ITALY...that's why!  And if you were to call Great Dane up and order it
they would charge you $30.00 (shipping not included) for it...and they
are the ones pressing the CD in the first place.  Which then begs the 
question...how can someone else (like myself) get the CD for less than
the price Great Dane sells them for...
Simple...you have to buy thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from them
to get a break...and I'm not talking about ordering 100 different CDs...
I mean someone (generally) orders 50 of the same CD title!  So now 
you can understand how it works.

Another ridiculous comment is that the CDs cost only $3 to $4 tops to 
produce.  While this may be true...but by the time the discs get from
point A (overseas) to point B (U.S.) the cost of the CD has tripled (this
is no exaggeration).  The bootleggers in these countries don't feel like
getting into trouble either so you had better believe that they are going
to make you pay for the risk involved.

One last note...in other countries like Luxembourg, the public domain laws
are nearly non-existant...

John Young
jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Names on CD
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:11:38 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <92100.104332ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET (Allen French) writes:
> Is there header information at the beginning of CDs that uniquely
> identify them? My Kenwood CD changer stores the names you give to
> your CDs and magazines, and thereafter it somehow is able to recall
> the names after it loads the disks.
> 
> After buying some replacements for CDs stolen, I notice that it
> recognizes some of the replacements, but not others. Perhaps it
> just tries to match a checksum it creates by hashing the beginning
> data, so even the slightest change at the beginning would create
> a mismatch?

There is provision for a UPC type unique code for the disk, but only
a portion of disks have such a code.  The usual techniques seesm to
be to generate a hash of some of the data on the table-of-contents
tracks for a unique identifier.

Note that the standard does call for a unique(?) identifier for each
track, but I don't know whether anyone atually bothers.

Hopefully, giving that CD+G is going nowhere fast, someone will
propose retrofitting the DCC descriptive subcode data to CD audio.

I think the biggest problem with doing this in the first place is
that subcode data is basically "too fast" (~50KBPS) for the average
CD control microprocessor to capture and format, and no-one was
willing to add additional hardware support.  This was 10 years ago...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: altinbay@alc.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation, San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:26:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.181433.10588@cc.umontreal.ca> u1766@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Verreault Jean-Francois) writes:
- THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY BOOTLEGS!!!
- 
- If you see a live recording you've never heard of before, that doesn't mean
- it's automatically a bootleg... First, let's take the example of Italy: In
- Italy, if you have a live recording and want to make a record with it, IT'S
- LEGAL! There's one thing you have to do: deposit a small amount of money for
- every record sold ("Royalties") to a special italitan bank (can't remember the
- name...). If the band of which you took the recording ever wants to complain,
- you just give them their royalties, and they can't complain anymore.

Ah, the things we come up with to justify everything.

It may be legal according to Italian law, but let's look at what you're
saying.  You put up money to deposit in a kitty in case an artist
complains.  If they don't complain, you short them their royalties.
Sounds really fair, doesn't it?  Do they need to monitor what CDs every
little Italian operation puts out to collect what they would normally
expect to get out of their work?
-- 
MMIH   =============================================  altinbay@alc.com
            My existence led by confusion boats
                          Mutiny from stern to bough
altinbay@netcom.com  ===================================   - Bob Dylan
From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Legend Soundtrack
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:07:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: predator.1992Apr8.140743.19766
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

In article <180920@pyramid.pyramid.com> craigs@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Craig Shipley) writes:
>In article <cole.702487160@lea> cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
>>(David Datta) writes:
>>
>>> (Brad Woodcock) writes:
>>>>I have been searching for a CD copy of the soundtrack for the movie
>>>>Legend.
>[ many lines sent to /dev/null ]
>>
>>Which (if any) of these has the Bryan Ferry song "Is Your Love Strong
>>Enough"?  Is this song available on any other CD?
>>
>The Ferry song is on the TD release, definitly. Don't know if it exists
>anywhere else. From what I have heard, the Ferry track is whats' keeping
>the TD version from being released on CD.


The Ferry song was also released on a 12" single at the time the 
soundtrack came out.

dap
-- 
===============================================================================
    David A. Pearlman

Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: vr@cs.brown.edu (Viswanath Ramachandran)
Subject: CD - which side has the recording ?
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:58:17 GMT


I am a newcomer to the CD world. What I want to know is - which of the two sides
of the CD has the recording ? The shiny clear side or the side with all the
printed stuff on it ? Also can magnets etc affect the recording on a CD ?


-- 

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From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andrew Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:17:13 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc., Marlboro, MA.


I know this was posted but I deleted it and then found I needed it.

If anyone has it could you email it to me?

I am also looking for a full catelog from columbia in some kind of alphabetical
order.

Thanks
Andy
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: kcjonz@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (David Douglas McCallum)
Subject: Dixie Dregs CDs & boots
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:22:15 GMT

The info given by Jim Greenlee recently about Industry
Standard and Label problems is the same that was given
to me by Steve Morse himself after the Birchmere show
on the recent reunion tour...sigh, no digital IS.

The bootleg is from a 1981 radio broadcast from
My Father's Place in New York City. It is a very good
show, and depending on how many generations the source
has on it, it might be a primo disc. The running order,
from memory, goes:

Divided We Stand
Kat Food
I'll Just Pick
Limerock (Morse & O'Connor duet)
Bloodsucking Leeches
Rock 'n' Roll Park
Punk Sandwich
The Bash
Cruise Control
Take It Off The Top
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:37:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RFD: removal of rec.music.cd
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd

>I think the best suggestion I have heard yet is moderating this newsgroup.

No ... just get a charter and split of rec.music.misc.

Judy
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:3902 misc.forsale:13479
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,misc.forsale
Subject: CD's - buying, selling over the net.
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:35:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


For those who are continually saying "How dare anyone try to get
 $8 for a cd over the net - not for profit - blah blah blah", a 
 few points.  

1) Different areas of the country have different prices on things.  
 For instance, in the NYC area, i have yet to find a store that
 ergularly AND has good stock, charges less than 12.98 on a 
 disc not on sale.  I know of 3 stores that charge 10$, but they have
 awful selection.  So, when you say "I can get such and such a disc
 for $12" - well, that's great, but are you going to buy me that disc,
 and send it to me free?  and not pay any tax on it?  you know, $12
 plus 8% tax means a $13 disc.

2) Used discs at 8$ a pop are NOT out of line at all. BMG has an awful
 selection, and Columbia has you buy, to get discs at 6.50 a pop,
 a total of 17 discs.  if you're looking for 3 discs, it's not 
 worth it to invest all that time, plus under an assumed name (if you
 do it more than once), to save $1 per disc.  I go to new york
 frequently to buy my discs, and while I can occasionally get some
 adequate discs at $2.99, most of the time I have to go searching 
 long and hard to find the discs I want at $7 and under.  My
 collection
 of over 300 discs consists primarily of those i've purchased used,
 and since i don't want to pay a lot, i look for bargains.
 occasionally,
 there are some really surprise buys (i've gotten some imports at $8),
 but as a general rule, things are consistently in the $7-$8 range.
 and, when you factor in tax,  guess what?  it's pretty close to the
 $8 that people
 on the net generally charge, without all the hassle
 and time spent.  

again, if people can FIND the disc that they want, for what they 
 consider a reasonable price, why do you have to hassle the seller?
 if there's a disc that i can't find anywhere else cheaper, what
 good does it do to hear that "well, down here in collegetown,usa,
 we can get some really bad discs for $6.  before tax"?  none.  unless
 you can GET me that disc, for less than i am paying, it doesn't
 do me a damn bit of good. 

i buy and sell over the net, and i've had almost 100% success, whether
in cd's or cards., both of which are my hobbies now.  and i'll
 continue to do so, unless by some miracle one of the people who
 frowns on this opens a store here in hoboken, with a complete
 supply of all the discs i could ever want, and sells them at $7
 before tax, $7.50 after tax.  then they'll get my business.
 that's the way it works in business, really.

- bob gaj
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: New Noteworthy catalog
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:23:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

marke@cadence.com (Mark Evangelisto; x6269) writes:

> Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Noteworthy's prices
> have been crreping up in the past few issues of their catalog.  Most
> new releases (within the past year or so) are priced at around $12.00
> from them.

I've been seeing the same thing.  Titles already in the catalog seem to
be stable, but when they add new titles in, the prices are a bit higher.

Noteworthy may regret this.  It seems like retail CD prices are finally
dropping, and I've found a couple of discs already that are cheaper from a
store than from Noteworthy.  Newbury Comix in Nashua NH is using the old,
high "list" prices for everything, but has a pretty-much permanent
$9.99-or-$2-off sale so actual prices are consistently $10-$12.

> But I certainly can't complain about their service.  We can place an
> order here by 4:00 or 4:30 in the afternoon, have it sent normal
> delivery, and it will be sitting on my desk by 11:00 the next morning.

Same here.  Twice now I've ordered discs from them in the morning and they
were at my house in the afternoon.  (But then I live 20 miles from
Noteworthy).

Has anyone tried Noteworthy's online ordering system yet?  Or even bought
the software to try out?

---
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs        fitz@wang.com
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA   ...!uunet!wang!fitz
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Desert Moon, Dennis Deyoung ???
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:04:11 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <saftcINNsv6@agate.berkeley.edu> sam@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Chen) writes:
>	Please help me !!! I am still looking for the song Desert Moon.
>	One person on the net tell me it's sang by Dennis Deyoung but
>	when I try to look it up, the same song appear until 4 artist
>	but none of them shows Dennis Deyoung. I am wondering if anyone
>	can help me by giving me the title to the album, whether it is  
>	available on CD or tape, where to get a copy of it or any 
>	information about it. I really want to find one.  Thanks for any
>	response.

It's from the album _Desert_Moon_ (1985?) by Dennis De Young.  I used to own
a copy on cassette.  I don't recall ever seeing it on CD.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

After the fire, the fire still burns;
The heart grows old, but never, ever learns;
The memory smoulders, the soul always yearns.
After the fire, the fire still burns.
					- Pete Townshend