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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: The Real A4000 Argument.  Barrett Bashing, Too... :)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:43:28 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Oct9.091012.59559@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
=>>of the A4000.  The only thing that the A4000 has that the A3000 does not have
=>>is the 24-bit video slot.  
=
= And 68040, AGA, IDE (ok, but the A3000 doesn't have it), OS3.0, etc...
=
	That we can't get 3.0 for 3000's is C='s fault. 3.0 runs wonderfully
	on 3000's. You also make the assumption that all of us need the
	extra video modes in AGA. ADOS 3.0 has an 800x600 mode that
	works on the 3000 that answers my need for Y > 480 but unfortunatly
	the 3000 delacer doesn't work with it. B^(.

= If someone were to purchase an A3000...   $1450.00

	BAD assumption, I and others already have maxed out 3000's. I'd
	also have to buy a SCSI controller and memory to get me up to
	16M. I'd also be stuck with teeny IDE drive drive I don't need.

=             1.  68040 card                $1800.00 
=             2.  Graphics card             $ 600.00
=                                          -----------
					    $2400.00

	Not much savings over a new 4000 but my SCSI peripherals would
	work as they always did, UNIX would work, in the '030 mode not
	avialble on the 4000, and I could keep all the peripherals on my
	maxed out Zorro III bus. I also wouldn't waste money on a hokey IDE
	controller.

		-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Subject: need help with my harddrive
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:36:43 GMT


here's the system:

i've got an amiga 500 (1 meg chip/8fast 2.0) with a trumpcard 500 scsi
interface (board 3.1 rom 4.9) and a seagate ST177n h-drive. i've
jumpered int2 and 1.3boot on the board.

here's the problem:

it doesn't work: more specifically. on cold boot. the hdrive light
comes on/flickers i can hear the drive spin up and the typical clatter
noise that hdrives make. then....nothing. the amiga stays at white
screen. no floppies are read (this is expected). keyboard is not
locked and reset behaves as expected.

when booting the trumpcard 2.1 config disk. i get to the nifty IVS
title page. then nothing. after about 45 seconds, the floppy reads,
then on the wb screen i get "If computer has 1.3 or greater then
remove floppy and REBOOT otherwise just REBOOT"

at this time, if i use A-M and flip screens, i get one the same color
as the title page but it's totally blank. if i hold down the mouse
button and drag, i can see menus but they are displayed as black on
black.

any ideas?

thanks

c.
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From: ahansfor@ee.WPI.EDU (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4000 Hardware questions
Date: 08 Oct 92 05:16:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609
Distribution: world
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I assume the A4000 still uses the 8520's.  Are there any plans to fold
the functionaliy of these into a CMOS ASIC design?

I missed any answer about the A4000 Zorro III, does it support the
"Level II" bus operations?

Thanks

Andrew Hansford
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: ADIDE
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:07:29 GMT

Can anyone please tell me if ADIDE works with the ATonce/ATonce+ from
Vortex systems?
-Doc
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From: jas54553@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry A. Segler Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP WITH MY HD!!!! ..help me..
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <1992Oct11.195410.19735@ultb.isc.rit.edu> scottl@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Or8 (Jerry)) writes:

>  Hellp peoples.  I have an A1000 with a Dataflyer 2mb/Scsi hd controller.
>I have on it a Quantum 105lps.  It has all worked flawlessly for a few weeks,
>until yesterday..
>  I was running Protracker, and as I was loading a mod, it crashed.
>  The HD now boots only on cool reboots, and then it only works for a few 
>disk accesses.  when I warm-boot it, the drive light stays dim for a while, 
>(1 minute ish) then it gives me thw 1.3 workbench hand.  
>  It has autobooted fine before that..
>  When I put in a wb floppy, it ceases to recognize that the hd is there.

1st I would try warm booting off of a Dataflyer install disk with your
drive parameters on it and manually mounting the HD.  If this works fine then
it's the controller flaking out slightly.  I would do a new setautoboot on
and reboot again.  This may fix the problem but I doubt it.

But, this looks more like the HD is flaking out.  I have a Dataflyer 500 and
have had some problems (things that I did, not the card did.) but none of them
sound like this....  You might call tech. support at Expansion Systems (the
maker of the Dataflyer) and see what they say but I would say your HD is
flaking out or you have created a very weird and unique error.

-Jerry
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.170606.16653@kas.helios.mn.org> rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:
>In article <n0ba0t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>=> With the A4000, it is no longer possible to purchase a monitor that will
>=> only
>=> handle scan frequencies of 31Khz and up.  If an Amiga problem insists on
>=> opening a standard 15Khz NTSC or PAL mode screen, the screen will be
>=> opened
>=> at 15Khz no matter what.  The "Promotion" feature of the OS only works for
>=> a tiny few, well-written Amiga programs, and no games.  This means that a
>=
>=And who's fault is that?  NOT COMMODORE'S!  Its the fault of the programers
>=who didnt properly write their programs.  Complain to them, not commodore!
>=
>
>	The question we need to answer here is this:
>
>	1) Can an A4000 drive a 31Khz only monitor like the 3000 can?
>
>	If the answer is yes, then Marc is wrong, if the answer is no,
>	Marc is correct.

   This is not a very good question, as the answer is "yes, it can."  The
question is, "how much do you lose when you try to use a 31Khz-only monitor
on an A3000 or an A4000?"  The answer for the A3000 is "very little", the
answer for the A4000 is "quite a lot."  People have talked about writing
utilities to force-promote all NTSC or PAL interlaced modes, but no such
utilities exist yet.  For now, there are quite a lot of older utilities and
games that would not work at all on a 31Khz-only monitor.  Even after such a
utility was written, there likely would be a lot of games that would not work
with it, because the games drive the hardware directly with all kinds of nasty
tricks and would not be friendly to such a utility.

>	If one "upgrades" to an A4000 and has to throw away the monitor,
>	disks and SCSI peripherals then is that REALLY an upgrade? What
>	if I'm currently using all my slots in my 3000? Now I have
>	to give up a peripheral in order to use my SCSI devices on the
>	4000. B^(.
>
>	This is a question that NEEDS to be answered once and for all.
>
>=I doubt that you (as in YOU, personaly) could tell any real difference
>=between a typical IDE harddrive and the equivalent SCSI one.
>=
>	Nope, but AmigaUNIX sure could... B^(.
>
>=And whats wrong with the A2000?  It was the first largely modular Amiga. It
>=had/has lots of slots, nice keyboard, drive bays, etc.  Sure, its slow by
>=todays standards, but then again, you can stick an 040 in it and still be
>=way under the Quadra in price.  The A4000 is every bit as good as the A3000
>=with possible acception to the IDE interface.
>=
>	If it has to be used with a 15KHz monitor and I have a full Zorro III
>	bus on my 3000, the 4000 is NOT better than my 3000, i.e. I'd
>	have to buy a new monitor, a SCSI card and give up 1 of memory, RS232,
>	ethernet or hi-rez 3rd party graphics Zorro II/III board.
>
>		-Rob

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From: siren@taltta.hut.fi (Mikko Siren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: funny problem with a1000
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:55:50 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

I have a funny behaviour with my A1000: Turned power on, it acts just
like normally, but it does not brighten the power led as it should when
the screen comes all white., after that, it jerks the floppy drive (as
it should in kickstart loading scheme) but before it shows the hand with
kickstart disk, screen gets yellow for half a second and the machine self-
resets.

I have tried to replace all the chips there are (in sockets) but the prob-
lem refuses to disappear. I'm allmost out of solutions now, could someone
help me?

(I have multimeyters, scope, etc. and necessary tools to replace chips, and
 a really-bad-broken-up A1000 motherboard for parts)



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes)
Subject: Data DiskMan-- what is it, can it Amiga-work?
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:15:10 GMT

Hello.  I have seen the Sony DataDiskman, and it is offered at an
amazingly good price here.  However, given that the information is
written in Japanese and I cannot read said language yet, I am wondering
how close my guesses are...

It looks to be a portable CD-Rom reader.  I cannot tell if it has a SCSI
connector or not.  Nor do I know the access speed.

Any information would be much appreciated!  At 20,000 Y (around $180), I
am very interested in finding out more.


thank you,
sandy
alex@astro.isas.ac.jp
etc. etc.
From: jskinner@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (James Bryan Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Monitors for Flickerfixers
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:51:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

I am planning to buy a Flicker Fixer for my A2000 and have a few questions:

Will any SVGA monitor work well with the FF?
Will I still be able to use all the screen modes that I used before, 
 including PAL?
Is it worth spending the extra ~$50 for a non-interlaced SVGA monitor?

Thanks in advance,
 Jim
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Commodore 1960 monitor problem
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:09:20 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

If any readers have the Commodore 1960 monitor, I would like to ask you if you
noticed anything odd about the picture.

I have now had two 1960s and it looks like the pixels are not parallel from
line to line.

I've brought the first monitor back and received a second that appears to have
exactly the same problems.

I get the feeling that my Commodore dealer thinks I'm nuts.  Has anyone noticed
a similar problem.



Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: csg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (-~=Zaphod=~-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A3000's anyone?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:17:51 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

Is anyone out in netland selling an A3000?

In the UK there about 2000 pounds (3,500 UDS)!

Help please, or i'll have to buy a 486!


Steve.



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From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: SCSI II on processor module ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:01:17 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>Hey Dave,
>
>What kind of performance hit are we talking about when comparing a SCSI
>(II) card which resides on the ZorroIII bus to the same SCSI (II) dma
>interface residing on the processor module?  How much bus contention is
>there with the SCSI (II) card for another ZorroIII board which requires
>data from the hard drive as quickly as possible
>(i.e. decompression/realtime animation player - can't wait for that
>Editmaster 8.) )?  Is the SCSI controller on the A3000 on it's own
>independent bus such that it does not contend with anything for cycles?

The performance would be the same to within less than 1%...

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From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Should there be a M of 16bit ram in A3000?
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:02:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: k9.doctor.04dc
Organization: Mostly Harmless...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <35907@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.142008.25550@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
> > Sysinfo shows that of the 2M chip ram and 4M fast ram, most is
> > 32 bit but not all - over 1M is listed as 16 bit.
> > 
> > I thought the A3000 was 32 bit throughout? Is this not so then?
> 
> Sounds like the program is confused, you couldn't get 16-bit RAM
> to work if you tried!

Well, you could put a Zorro II memory board in, couldn't you?
(Not that you would really want to, but it should work, shouldn't it?)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:26:28 EDT
From: <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: psu.comp.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Monitor Problems

My 1950 is experiencing recurrent Greenophobia symptoms.  This began
happening recently.  I noticed that some screens were fine while others were
totally useless.  The ones that were ok had colours with very little or no
green in them.  Small green patches are also ok.  Raising the green levels
kicks the horizontal then the vertical & other colours to hell, resulting in
warped or erratic screens.  No green, no problem.

Do any hardware gurus out there have an explanation for this?  It obviously
needs to pay a visit to the local hack shop :-(

Jason K.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Two A4000 questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:16:45 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct8.182920.19830@bnr.ca> mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason) writes:
>In article <35645@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>In article <stefanb.718458688@hathi> stefanb@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Becker) writes:
>>
>>>1) The A3000 supported static column RAM chips. Does the A4000 Ramsey chip
>>>   support this type too?
>>

>>The A4000 RAMSEY supports them, but there are two problems.  First of all,
>>the '040 doesn't run burst cycles,

>I can't say as I've ever see Dave wrong, so I would have to ask him to
>clarify this. Our '040s certainly run burst cycles (line transfers).

The '040 implementation in the A4000 isn't running burst to motherboard RAM.
The conversion of burst protocols between the '040 card and the A3000/A4000
motherboard bus is difficult to do real efficiently.  Without the efficiency
(you really need a custom conversion chip for this), it really isn't a win, so 
Scott didn't put such a conversion mechanism into the '040 card.

>If you don't explicitly support burst mode, I would expect page-detect
>mode to be a big win (when the caches are enabled), since it should
>still speed up transfer-burst-inhibited line transfers.

I would tend to think so too, though you'll need an A3000 to test this theory
out until someone makes a custom SCRAM SIMM for the A4000.  We wanted to move 
to standard SIMMs as soon as possible.  Since the 32-bit parts are now pretty
available, if not used everywhere, we decided to bite the bullet on the A4000.
We expect these parts to be used for several high-end Amiga generations to
come.  They aren't perfectly suited to the ideas we had back in 1989, but 
they're certainly acceptable and can only get better.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: Re: Adding RAM to the GVP Series II (Amiga 500)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:15:08 GMT

steinerj@dhhalden.no (STEIN-ERIK REMME JOHANSEN) writes:

>I've got 4 1x9 MB SIMMs. May I use them in my GVP harddrive?
>Or do I need 1x8 MB SIMMs instead?

At one time I had the GVP Series II A500+ just like you.  
It was populated with four megs total.
2 1x8 Simms and
2 1x9 Simms
The thing couldn't tell the difference.

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From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 anim speed
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup) writes:
>
>mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:
>
>> Well, I have a hard time with that.  My ray tracing software
>> takes over 10 minutes per frame.  However, an animation program
>> I wrote can update the display well over 170fps if the display was
>> that fast.  It all depends on what you are doing.  If you are
>> just pumping data, it would be that the 68040 can pump as much as
>> 6+ meg/second into CHIP RAM.  (I have not played with exact
>> measurements here as I have not needed this)
>
>Er... uhm.... I think you misunderstood me... my fault, sorry.
>I'm not talking about "rendering" as in raytracing each frame
>before it gets displayed... (and 10 mins/frame is pretty dang
>good, btw)... I'm talking about pre-rendered frames compressed into
>an IFF-ANIM file.  I meant "rendering" as in de-compressing the ANIM
>and building the full frames.
>
>How fast is the A4000 at playing back a complex (high Delta) 768x480
>ANIM?  Is it really faster than an A3000 with an '040 card?  (Isn't
>the real bottleneck the time it takes for the CPU to de-compress
>the frames?)
>
>Anything over 30frames/sec is overkill (I'm recording to videotape)
>... but a nice constant 30fps would be perfect!

Well, with RAM-based ANIM formats, I have seen a rather stable 60fps
in video modes.  If you run non-interlaced 640x480 you have less bandwidth
left for the CPU (in 8-bit plane displays) and you may not be able to
sustain a full 60fps.  However, since all of this is better than 30fps
there should be no problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:26:37 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>   Go ahead and vote for them.  I have decided that if the country elects a
>flower child and an environmental activist -- both closet socialists -- as
>President and VP, the country deserves everything that happens to it.

Ohmygod!  Flower child!  Environmental activist!  YIKES!  SCARY STUFF MARK!
Are socialists the targets of the red-baiters now?  Have you been to Europe
recently?

Go ahead and vote for them.  I have decided that if the country elects a
former CIA chairman and a mental midget -- both closet fundamentalists -- as
President and VP, the country deserves everything that keeps happening to it.

>   BTW, Clinton wants to raise taxes sky-high on foreign companies that do
>business in the U.S.  Has it occurred to you that Commodore is a foreign
>company?

Yep, give us dem cheap imports.  We don't need any of that domestic trash.
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