From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: without even being asked ....
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:52:35 GMT
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Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Aug20.222226.3056@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:
><1992Aug20.172947.3242@ncsu.edu>, dsh@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) :
># In article <Bt9q3K.As@rice.edu> 
># patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
># >chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
># >> Come on, Steve.  Let's see just how much of a boy you are.  March your
># >> fat black ass down here and tell me I'm a liar, to my face. 
># >> 					- PatricKKK L. Humphrey  
># 
># > That's right.  I wrote it, and I apologized to anyone else who was offended
># > by it.  The only apology you'll get from me is when you show enough backbone
># > to come down here and get it in person.  If you're too chicken for that, hey
># > -- you're the one that has to live with that...
># 
># I'm offended that you did not apologize to Steve Chaney for that remark.
># Apologize and get it over with.  Nobody is going to hoot and holler over
># it.  I will continue to ask you to apologize to Steve Chaney.  
>
>Far be it from *me* to suggest that Mr. Chaney deserves the courtesy
>of an apology, but I would like to express my desire to see Mr.
>Humphrey issue an unconditional apology for said remark for the
>following reasons:
>
>	A.  Chaney could fairly be flamed into oblivion should he
>	    refuse to accept it.
>	B.  I can't think of anything less interesting to read than
>	    fights over whether Chaney does or doesn't deserve an
>	    apology.
>	C.  This whole thread has been nothing but an opportunity for
>	    everybody involved to demonstrate a fundamental
>	    misunderstanding of the dynamics of race and racism.  It
>	    serves as Yet Another Reminder that the struggle against
>	    institutional racism is far from over, and, being that
>	    there is already plenty of depressing news to occupy idle
>	    minds in this forum, we all might be substantially better
>	    off if this thread would simply die die die.
>
>Additionally, I would call for Mr. Chaney to refrain from race baiting
>with his nonchalant bandying about of accusations of Klan association,
>if he expects his grievances to be taken seriously.

Sorry to repost the whole thing, but I thought it important to leave
everything in context.  While I don't condone Patrick's choice of
words, and under normal conditions I would expect to see an apology
from him, I don't expect him to apologize.  Mr Chaney, Mr Kellmeyer,
and Mr Holtsinger have all gone on record here comparing pro-choicers
to Nazis.  To me that is much worse than Patrick's single racial
comment (which may indeed be a fact - Mr Chaney is black, and he may
indeed have a fat ass).  To accuse someone of Nazism is racial slur
that implies that person or persons wish to genocide an entire race for
no other reason than just being different, and place themselves as an
elite race.

When Mr Chaney, Mr Kellmeyer, and Mr Holtsinger have apologized for their
racial slander of pro-choicers then I would expect to see Patrick 
make amends.


Gordon
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