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From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Burying ones head in the sand (was Re: My dismay (Chris Patten))
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:40:01 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

I am still amazed at the number of postings were people claimed
that by keeping our mouth shut and not asking for reforms that
the CCP will somehow leave us alone to live in stability, peace
and harmony. 

For example:

In <1992Dec13.034434.22379@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> iu051@cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:

:If there is no REAL freedom, that means there are many many forms of freedom.
:Right?  I don't want to sacrifice ALL freedom, and I don't think CCP will
:take away ALL freedom from the people.  In fact, every government disallows
:their people to do something so as to protect some other people.  In China,
:the powerful guys are the senior members in the CCP.  In the capitalized 
:country, the powerful guys are rich people.  For the most people, the 
:ordinary people like ME, we want a stable situation so that every one can
:work for a better life, i.e. earning more, suffering less, improving the 
:living standard.  You may say I am selfish, but I DO support those guys who
:can help people to achive these.  I don't want to sacrifice the living 
:standard in order to receive the freedom you say.  And I think most people
:think the same.  

Please, I ask you not to bury you head in the sand and somehow
think that the CCP will be so kind as to let you have freedom.
How many times can you count that the CCP has kept her promise to
anybody ?  How many millions of Chinese have died under the
mismanagement and cruelty of the CCP ?  

By keeping your mouth shut and by propagating this idea of
burying ones head in the sand then all you will achieve is to
tell the CCP that Hongkong can be bullied.  If it wants to
subjugate Hongkong in future then she will just continue to use
her bullying tactics until the people of HK submit.  It will not
be necessary to have the CCP do this directly and be exposed to
international criticisms.  Instead the CCP will (without the
hinderance of a democratically elected government) use a puppet
government to subjugate the people of HK.

Don't be fool, a dictatorial government can create an illustration
of stability but a dictatorial government only severes to benefit
the ruling elite and not the people.  A government that cares for
the welfare of her people do not use threats and strong-armed
tactics to subjugate her people.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: caleb@soda.berkeley.edu (Caleb Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: * Accusations *
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:48:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
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To all those who make stereotyped accusations (running dog etc.)
about Hong Kong people:

I hope you realize thawhwhile there are 6 millions Hong Kong people
having their futures at stake, it is most inconsiderate for you people
to make pointless accusations at this time. What makes you think that Hong Kong
people are running dogs? Just because they live under British rule?
What do you suggest, revolt? Let's be practical here!

I think what we need most as of now is help. I don't blame you for having
no sympathies for us or do not understand our situations fully. In that
case, just please shut up. Babbling with your narrow-minded thoughts simply
wastes peoples' time. I've been silent for so long but I really can't stand
it anymore.

I stress again that we NEED HELP. It is most indignitary for you to
"add oil to the fire". You didn't just insult us, you've also insulted
your own intelligence.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:16544 rec.arts.movies:35832
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.movies
Subject: MOVIE: Ah Ying
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:53:55 GMT
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland

Just saw the most extraordinaire (and one of the best I have seen!)
movie from Hong Kong, called "Ah Ying". Basically it's a story about
rape and lust, which is set as a detective and ghost story happening
in medieval China.

Now I would be very grateful if anybody could tell something more
about this movie, like:

When it was made and published? I heard that it came out two or
three years ago.

What kind of reaction it caused then? I guess that the sexual topics,
especially the variations in "Ah Ying", are usually not so openly
depicted in Chinese culture, not even in HK. Or am I simply wrong,
having just seen the imported 'clean' HK-movies?

What are the names of director and producer? Actors?

How big budget the movie was made with? I guess not big. The three
16-mm reels I saw seemed to have the scenes cut manually together.
(That is, the takes were glued together in the reels themselves.)

PS. This article is crossposted between soc.culture.hongkong and
rec.arts.movies.

Thanks,

--
Antti Karttunen / karttu@mits.mdata.fi / $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:15:18 GMT

jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:

>Fine, you are still a dog alright, I would never choose to be a dog like you.

Of course ! Of course ! How can you be a RUNNING Dog when your
master is sitting on you ?? 


>Jian Chen talked a lot of nonsense and so did you. Don't I know what is going
>on in the world? I bet I know more people of different parts of the world, and
>have been to more parts of the world than you have, I know the good side and the

A true arrogant Hongkies attitude here ! As i expected , it does
take long for you to show your true colour ! Typical of
a person suffering from inferior complex under the colonial rule
who try to boost his ego, his image ! What a degrading behaviour !!

You really make me laugh, Lin Can't !

Have you been to Canada, USA, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia
Thailand ? You only have served the western nations, especially
your master & you dare to talk so arrogantly. Shame on you !
Knowing the good side & bad side of your 'master' is NOT
knowing the entire world, please !!

If I have the least arrogant attitude of yours, I would
have said that before you were born I had known all that
you claim to know now !
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:59:50 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec17.224628.22332@objy.com>, cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> In article <1gjar7INNpj8@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <3472@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
|> >|> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> >Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
|> >|> >of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
|> 
|> >|> >1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
|> >|> >   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
|> >|> >   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
|> >|> >   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
|> >|> >   home to him, a Japanese ...
|> 
|> >|> >2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
|> >|> >   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..
|> 
|> >I doubt very much about the stories cited. As far as I am aware of, there is no
|> >racial discrimination policies in HK, although I believe the richer people can
|> >live in better place. I don't think rich and influential figures like Bao Yu Gang
|> >or Run Run Shaw would not be admitted to these clubs if they want to. 
|> 
|> I don't have first hand experience to veryify his story, but I invite you 
|> to read his book.  BTW, the context of his story was not about racial 
|> discrimination.  He was talking about his gratefulness in being 'honored'
|> as such.  Also, I have not found any inaccuracy in his book on other subject
|> yet.

A passing comment, it might that the author was a Japanese, and has funny 
attitude towards 'honours'.

|> Of course the discrimination policy, if exist, would not have been written
|> down say, as law. However, the lack of such documented thing does not mean
|> the discrimination do not exist.   BTW, his second story should not be
|> interpreted to mean that no Chinese are admitted to the VIP Club of Jockey 
|> Club.  He simply stated that he had not seen any in his few time he was
|> there.   It is clear though, the VIP club's atmosphere is rather exclusive.

Everywhere has discrimination, racial, sexual, no doubt discrimination does
exist, the important thing is the extend of discrimination. It might be also 
true that Chinese discriminate foreigners in a subtle way, provincialism has 
been among Chinese all the time.

There are many clubs which can be exclusive, that is not the point, exclusive
doesn't necessarily mean discrimination, there might be criteria for admitting
members which might be non-racial discriminating but still not many can get in,
or many are not keen to be admitted.

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: keith@socs.uts.edu.au (Keith Chan)
Subject: Re: e-mail at HKU
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:21:28 GMT

<LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Hi, I have a friend who is studying medicine at HKU. Does anyone know whether
>he could have access to internet? I heard that CU had recently granted e-mail
>access to all students. So both CU and UST students have access to e-mail.
>What about HKU? If HKU has already done the same, is there a postmaster address
>or mail server address that I could find out my friend's account?

I know that HKU is connected to BITNET, but they seems don't allow 
undergrad to send int'l email. But I don't know whether this
policy have changed, 'coz I've left HKU for 2 years.


--cmchan
keith@socs.uts.edu.au 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: shunkong@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Shun Kong Wai)
Subject: Liverpool Polytechnic E-mail Address...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:11:04 GMT

	Does anyone know what is the E-mail address of Liverpool Poly. in UK,

I need to send a mail to a friend who is now studying there in CS DEPT(yr2). 
	
	Pls mail me if anyone knows.

	Thanx, and Wish you a Merry Merry Christmas !


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New albums release news
From: Alpha.Ranma@kcbbs.gen.nz (Raphael Cheung)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:55:49 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Somehow I think that "Pretending" is the song which is sung by Andy
Lau..
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: NEWS: Survey Article of Chinese Economy
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:56:46 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <3471@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
>Thanks for posting this article ! I just hope that many
>arraogant Hongkies will read this without prejudices and with
>their heads ' sticking OUT of the colonial skirts'. 
>
>>China's economic performance in the 14 years since then has brought about one
>>of the biggest improvements in human welfare at any time. Real GNP has grown by
>
>Did the author make a mistake ? Shouldn't it be Honkong ? 
>I tell you many of the arrogant attitudes of the Hongkies are 
>just despicable as can be seen from the numerous posting in this
>group. Many of them idolise anything of 'colonial' connotation, but
>despise the Chinese from mainland. They think the mainland Chinese
>are ignorant, narrow minded, 'antique' in thinking (as Lin Can't put
>it); on the other hand, by hiding under the 'colonial skirts', they
>think they know everything in this world, they think they are
>also superior like their 'colonial masters'. One even claims that
>he travelled more than me - just because he has been to Britian -
>what a ludicrous & humbug statement ! 
>
>I may dissappoint many of you who flamed me assuming that I am
>from China. No. I am not . I step into this group because I
>haven't seen any body as arrogant & shamless as most of the
>Hongkies. ( I am not saying all people from Honkong are like that,
>but there are enough of you to give Hongkong the bad name.)
>
>Perhaps you would have treated me differently if I have made myself
>known earlier eh ? Shame on you arrogant Hongkies !
>
>Ps. Anyone (except British I think) who has been to Hongkong 
>would agree that they are the most rude & arrogant people
>in this world (- at least to those who look like Chinese to them.)

What a courageous guy! Do you know they would consume you in their
anger? Anyway, you win my support.

Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:59:21 GMT

In article <3474@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>
>I can't argue with a person of this kind of mentality - therefore I 
>rest my case ! I can't make him stoop lower !

It means that you cannot win the argue, right?
I also want to stop arguing in SCHK, but there are people from mainland
China who still need advice for their viewpoints. I don't hesitate
to give up my time and type something for them. After all, I am
doing my best for Hong Kong.
I especially hate someone call others dog or saying someone's viewpoints
as 'sick'. Constructive viewpoints should be given and useful comments
on the viewpoints are mostly welcomed.
Here is my advice: don't hide from realistic problems and day-dream
your ideal world. Let's face the realistic problems and do something!
Don't be a running dog or sucking worm while you can give something
to the society! You belong to the society, and so you should do
something for it! Don't just pin-point someone's minor down-side, because
yourself may have much more down-side than others.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eng10413@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHOW PUI SHAN)
Subject: testing
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:18:11 GMT

This is just a test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:07:29 GMT

In article <3468@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
> 
>>Fine, you are still a dog alright, I would never choose to be a dog like you.
> 
> Of course ! Of course ! How can you be a RUNNING Dog when your
> master is sitting on you ?? 
> 
> 
>>Jian Chen talked a lot of nonsense and so did you. Don't I know what is going
>>on in the world? I bet I know more people of different parts of the world, and
>>have been to more parts of the world than you have, I know the good side and the
> 
> A true arrogant Hongkies attitude here ! As i expected , it does
> take long for you to show your true colour ! Typical of
> a person suffering from inferior complex under the colonial rule
> who try to boost his ego, his image ! What a degrading behaviour !!
> 
> You really make me laugh, Lin Can't !
> 
> Have you been to Canada, USA, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia
> Thailand ? You only have served the western nations, especially
> your master & you dare to talk so arrogantly. Shame on you !
> Knowing the good side & bad side of your 'master' is NOT
> knowing the entire world, please !!
> 
> If I have the least arrogant attitude of yours, I would
> have said that before you were born I had known all that
> you claim to know now !
> 
-- 

You seems to be only able to yell other people but without points.
I don't know what is you purposes of posting these things here?

Raymond Kwok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: working for a new relatio
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:53:47 EST

In Article: <1992Dec11.160412.21954@cs.mcgill.ca>
   Subject: Working for a new relationship between Taiwan and China
      From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:


>     Agreed, whole heartedly. The mutual isolation resulted from the old
>idiological battle has made us to some extend virtual foreigners towards
>each other. Let us keep up the communication and interaction. After
>all, we do have a strong common heritage. Understanding among us should
>not be that difficult. Back to the start of the original thread, I must
>say that I found the news of being able to watch CCTV in Taiwan very
>amazing. I was surprised by the fact that this is apparently at least
>Muo4 (silent) Xu3 (allowed) by the KMT/Taiwan government.

>   With the growth rate of economy on the mainland, I am optimistic that
>the day that majority of us finally bury away all the wreckage of old
>idiological battles/skirmishes, accept each other as equal friend and
>country(wo)man is not too far away.

Clap... Clap....  fully agree your above view...

IMHO, In recent years, The progress of the KMT/Taiwan government in it's
attitude towards freedom of press and freedom of expression was even more
significant than Taiwan's economical performance.

The CCP/Chineese government need to learn from the KMT/Taiwan government
if the CG leaders has sincere intention to achieve China's Unity based
on mutual respect and equality.

The recent good opportunity of demonstrating such sincerity could be in
CG's handling of Patten's proposal. It is unfortunate that we have yet
to see any improvement in CG's attitude towards the HongKong people.

Without the modernization of CG's behavior, how to sustain it's recent
economic growth, and how to transform these growth into real tangible
benefits for the majority of the Chinese mass could became a serious
question.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William W. Lo)
Subject: Words of wisdom for the day 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:38:16 GMT

	"Are my car indicators working huh?"

	"Yes, no, yes, no..."

---:)
	Uncle Jazzy	
### Welcome to William's Huggie "C--" Manual ###
Appendix 1 - Glossary:
C--: This language was named for the *grade* received by its
   creator when he submitted it as a class project in a 
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   *low*-level programming language. In fact, the language
   requires *more* C-- statements than machine-code statements
   to execute a given task!!! In this respect, it is similar
   to COBOL.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ma@qucdntri.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: Request 
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:11:03 GMT

Hi there:

I would like to know if there is any source from which I can obtain the Basic Law and the
Sino-British Joint Declaration in either electronic form or hardcopy.  

Thanks in advance.

E. Ma
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alaw@elaine10.Stanford.EDU (Alvin Law)
Subject: Re: Movies ( Chinese or English )
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:55:11


ylnwai@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Newton Wai) writes:
eng10185@nusunix1.nus.sg (FONG FU KIN) writes:
>>       
>> This year 1992 is coming to an end. This is the time to have a
>> conclusion of the movies shown in 1992. Pls send here the 'Best 5 / 10
>> Movies' you like as well as your comments on them. 
>> In this year, I like ' Shum Sai Goon ' (sorry i don't know the English
>> title) the most. 
>
>	That's a good one. My other favourites this year are :
>	(in no particular order)


>	Hard Boiled head (Chow Yun Fat, Leung Chiu Wai)
>	New Dragon Inn (Tony Leung, Maggie Cheung, Lim CHing Ha)
>	92 Black rose vs Black Rose
>	Asian Invincible (Lim Ching Ha, Lee Lin Kit)
>	Wong Fei Hong Part II

Three of the five by Tsui Hark of Film Workshop?


--
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	Alvin W. Law			Email : alaw@leland.stanford.edu
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	    T minus 1659 days and counting.  Time is running out ...
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From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:52:41 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <3468@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
|> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> 
|> >Fine, you are still a dog alright, I would never choose to be a dog like you.
|> 
|> Of course ! Of course ! How can you be a RUNNING Dog when your
|> master is sitting on you ?? 
|> 
|> 
|> >Jian Chen talked a lot of nonsense and so did you. Don't I know what is going
|> >on in the world? I bet I know more people of different parts of the world, and
|> >have been to more parts of the world than you have, I know the good side and the
|> 
|> A true arrogant Hongkies attitude here ! As i expected , it does
|> take long for you to show your true colour ! Typical of
|> a person suffering from inferior complex under the colonial rule
|> who try to boost his ego, his image ! What a degrading behaviour !!
|> 
|> You really make me laugh, Lin Can't !
|> 
|> Have you been to Canada, USA, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia
|> Thailand ? You only have served the western nations, especially
|> your master & you dare to talk so arrogantly. Shame on you !
|> Knowing the good side & bad side of your 'master' is NOT
|> knowing the entire world, please !!
|> 
|> If I have the least arrogant attitude of yours, I would
|> have said that before you were born I had known all that
|> you claim to know now !

What a stupid article!

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Replies re HK democracy
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:48:35 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <1992Dec6.011659.7470@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec6.004626.12514@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:
|> > 
|> >After '97, PRC might well shut down this politically dangerous SCHK
|> >feed to HK itself.
|> 
|> That's why people are afraid of 1997.
|> Personally, I like this newsgroup. But is it fair for anyone who don't
|> like this newsgroup to shut it down?

In the same token, CCP would only need to be shut down in a fully democratic
way.

Lin Can