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From:         "Marla K. Thomas" <MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Access to Student Data

THANKS to all of you who responded to my request for information about how
other institutions restrict access by the programming staff to student data.
Here's a summary of what I received:

     Total Responses: 18
     -- Does your institution permit READ access to student-related
        data by your programming staff?
                 YES -- 18   NO -- none

     -- If YES, does your institution restrict that access to those
        programmers directly responsible for supporting student
        applications?
                 YES -- 8   NO -- 10

     -- Does your institution require your programming staff to sign
        a confidentiality statement before granting access privileges?
                 YES -- 7   NO -- 11

I'm not sure what conclusions one should draw from these numbers, except that
institutions interpret FERPA differently. My GENERAL impression from the
responses was that smaller institutions tend to be more liberal with their
access privileges than larger ones.

Thanks, again, for your time and interest.

Best Wishes,
Marla K. Thomas               || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Louisville.edu
Director, Information Systems || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Bitnet
University of Louisville      || Phone: (502) 588-0914
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From:         "Leonard M. Brush" <lb1z+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: software maintenance agreement costs

It varies all over the spectrum...but it is negotiable...and the
original cost has little to do with the fee.....the fee is typically set
as a percentage of the current or "then applicable" LIST price of the
software...if you want the % to be based on the original price then you
MUST be willing to negotiate it UPFRONT...As for the numbers you
request..here is my recent experience:Financial
Aid (10%;negotiated cap for 5 years coupled with an 80% discount on the
original license fee);Alumni(15% of current list price coupled with a
40% discount on the original license fee);Payroll(15% of the current
license fee coupled with a 70% discount on the original license fee) and
last we are currently paying about 4-to-5% (of the current license
fee)on a site maintenance license agreement for our relational DBMS....I
have other views on this area that I would prefer not to place on a
PUBLIC list-serv.....Len Brush,Assistant Vice President for ACIS..
From: Roy.Hall@EDEN.FSC.MASS.EDU
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Colleagues,

I have been placed on committees dealing with accreditation,
revision of the mission statement, and the five year plan.  I am
looking for ideas and innovative behaviors.  If time, personnel,
and funding were not considerations, what would be your top
priorities?  How have you used personnel more effectively?  What
have you done to save money on equipment or facilities?

I ask that responses be fairly global, ranging from a bullet
format to 3 or 4 sentences per item.  Please crosspost this
request to other appropriate lists.

Thank you in advance,

  ****************************************************************************
  *  Roy Hall 3rd                      Internet: ROY.HALL@EDEN.FSC.MASS.EDU  *
  *  Director M.I.S.                   Work Phone: 508-345-2151 ext. 3158    *
  *  Fitchburg State College           Fax Phone:  508-343-8603              *
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From:         Jack Southard <SOUTHARD@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Interactive Catalog

I am forwarding this request to the list.  If any can help, we all might
interested in the response - Jack Southard (SOUTHARD@MIAMIU)
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Jack,

Here's the pertinent info. on the catalog:

     California State University, Northridge is interested in creating
     an interactive catalog, one that could be modified and/or viewed
     from various computer work stations located throughout the campus.
     Anyone with information concerning interactive catalog design and
     production is asked to contact Edward O'Brien at:

     e-mail:  EOBRIEN@VAX.CSUN.EDU
     address:  CSU Northridge  18111 Nordhoff St.  Northridge, CA  91330
     phone:  (818) 885-2969
     fax:  (818) 885-4691.

Thanks very much for your help.  Please let me know if you need anything else.

Ed
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:58:00 GMT
From:         "Louise Bishop, UMS, 492-9957" <BISHOP_L@WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Optical Imaging

please delete me form the list!!
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From: ##06@UTMARTN.BITNET (Shannon Burgin)
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Subject: PC-based Recruiting Packages
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:34:38 GMT
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Noel/Levitz provides a Recruiting package on PC's.  (319)337-4700


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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:24:00 CDT
From:         MooreJ@CC.SDSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Foundation/Alumni listserv

>What of NSFnet Guidelines (2/92) specifically excluding fund raising
>over the Internet (and I would assume that includes Bitnet tunnelled
>(BITNET II) over the Internet)?

In my interpretation, discussion ABOUT fund raising would not be considered
fund raising.

Joe Moore
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From:         Peggy Sudborough <VB7R0015@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Loading SAT/ACT Test Scores to Admissions

We have an excessive number of duplicate students on our Admission database.
The primary sources of this problem are the programs which load SAT and ACT
test scores.  In addition to resolving a bug in the programs, I would like to
improve the "matching" algorithms.  What algorithm are you using to maximize
the matches being made to existing records while minimizing the number of
"invalid" matches being made in the same process.

Specifically, before you will update an existing record ---
1)  If you have a match on SSN, what other data elements must match?
2)  If no match on SSN, what data elements must match?
3)  If one of the required data elements is blank, what do you do?
    For example, if date of birth is blank on the database, has a valid
    value on the test tape and is one of your required matching data elements,
    do you count this as a match or a mismatch?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
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Peggy Sudborough, Senior Analyst             VB7R0015@SMUVM1
Southern Methodist University                (214) 692-3870
Dallas, Texas
IBM 3081-K, CICS 1.6.1 under MVS/SP Vs 2.2
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:21:20 -0400
From:         Kern Parker <PARKER@UNCA.BITNET>
Subject:      media center software

Our media center personnel want to automate their operations.
They are seeking a software system to handle:

  -- equipment and software inventory
  -- equipment preventive maintenance
  -- equipment, space, and personnel scheduling
  -- software checkout

They are particularly interested in a system that accomodates
barcoding of equipment and software.

If anybody can give us any guidance on this project, please
contact me.

Kern Parker
Director of University Computing
University of North Carolina at Asheville
Asheville, NC  28804
parker@unca.edu  parker@unca.bitnet
704-251-6445
704-251-6041 (fax)
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:27:49 EDT
From:         Padma Kuppa <PKUPPA@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Touchtone Registration

I am looking for information on touchtone registration. We are starting this at
 Stony Brook, with Periphonics, piloting it through the CED programs, in Nov.
'92. Our main questions are:

1) Does anyone use touchtone technology to accept meal-plan signups, and if so,
 how does it work?


2) Does anyone use touchtone technology to accept tuition and fee payments
 through credit cards? (And how does this work?)


Any other information would also be appreciated. Please send your responses to
me at:

E-mail:       PKUPPA@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU

Phone(-mail): (516) 632-6438

Snail-mail:   Rm. 282, Student Union Bdg.
              FSA, University at Stony Brook
              Stony Brook, NY  11794-3209


Thanks.
Padma Kuppa
Systems Manager
Faculty Student Association
From: d_tindall@LUKE.SPU.EDU (Dave Tindall - Seattle Pacific University)
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Subject: Re: Request for ideas & cost savings
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:40:20 GMT
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Roy Hall writes...
>
> I have been placed on committees dealing with accreditation,
> revision of the mission statement, and the five year plan.  I am
> looking for ideas and innovative behaviors.  If time, personnel,
> and funding were not considerations, what would be your top
> priorities?  How have you used personnel more effectively?  What
> have you done to save money on equipment or facilities?
>
> I ask that responses be fairly global, ranging from a bullet
> format to 3 or 4 sentences per item.  Please crosspost this
> request to other appropriate lists.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
>   ****************************************************************************
>   *  Roy Hall 3rd                      Internet: ROY.HALL@EDEN.FSC.MASS.EDU  *
>   *  Director M.I.S.                   Work Phone: 508-345-2151 ext. 3158    *
>   *  Fitchburg State College           Fax Phone:  508-343-8603              *
>   *  160 Pearl Street                  Home Phone: 508-582-4817              *
>   *  Fitchburg  MA  01420-2697                                               *
>   ****************************************************************************
Roy,

I have also served on similar committees. My 92-93 bullet priorities are:

	1. Get computers into the hands of students.
	2. Provide most faculty with a computer.
	3. Provide campus-wide access to Internet networking.
	4. Install a Library Automation System
	5. Refocus student computer labs to meet specialized curricular needs
		including facilities and space needs.
	6. Improve hardware and software support structure as provided
		by CIS.
	7. Integrate educational technology into 10 classrooms.

We probably won't complete all of these items -- but they have set a course
of action for me to follow.

David W. Tindall		|Internet at d_tindall@spu.edu
Seattle Pacific University	|Phone at 206-281-2239
Computer & Information Systems
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:35:14 +0500
From:         Scott Dittman <sdittman@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Interactive Catalog

A few years ago a student of ours converted most (not all) of our catalog
to a Hypertext file with strategically placed nodes.  It worked very well
but I haven't been able to staff the updating process each year, so we
aren't using it currently.

I'm finding gophers to be very helpful in providing distributed access to
a variety of text resources on campus.  Why not the catalog?  You could
download it from your printing source to an ASCII file and make it
available either on-screen through gopher (which has string search
capabilities) or as an ftp file

Scott Dittman                    email: sdittman@wlu.edu
University Registrar             talk: (703)463-8455   fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University    snail mail:  Lexington Virginia 24450


On Mon, 28 Sep 1992, Jack Southard wrote:

> I am forwarding this request to the list.  If any can help, we all might
> interested in the response - Jack Southard (SOUTHARD@MIAMIU)
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Jack,
>
> Here's the pertinent info. on the catalog:
>
>      California State University, Northridge is interested in creating
>      an interactive catalog, one that could be modified and/or viewed
>      from various computer work stations located throughout the campus.
>      Anyone with information concerning interactive catalog design and
>      production is asked to contact Edward O'Brien at:
>
>      e-mail:  EOBRIEN@VAX.CSUN.EDU
>      address:  CSU Northridge  18111 Nordhoff St.  Northridge, CA  91330
>      phone:  (818) 885-2969
>      fax:  (818) 885-4691.
>
> Thanks very much for your help.  Please let me know if you need anything else.
>
> Ed
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:42:16 -0400
From:         BRMORGAN@VASSAR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Alumni subscriber list

        Responding to Ray Smock's question from Illinois State University,
the following is a subscriber list dealing with fundraising issues:
FUNDLIST@JHUVM (with the LISTSERV address, of course, being LISTSERV@JHUVM).

        As added information, however, I have seen very little activity from
the list since subscribing to it approximately one month ago.


                                        Bryant T. Morgan
                                        Budget Director
                                        Vassar College
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From:         Janet Terry <TERRYJ@VTVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      undergraduate plan of study

Greetings!

I'm looking for institutions who have implemented an undergraduate plan
of study system.  Allow me explain what I mean by an undergrad plan of study...

The entering student would work with an advisor to select the courses for
his/her program of study, term by term, for the entire time of enrollment.
This would be used for short and long term planning of room, instructor, &
course offering needs.

This is an idea that we've talked about for several years and we recognize
there are limitations but we would like to learn from anyone who has tried
this approach.

Thanks.

Janet Terry
University Systems Analysis & Services
Virginia Tech
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From:         "Matt Connolly" <MCONNOLL@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      The hostage

Any information and comments on Brendan Behans' "The Hostage" would
be much appreciated, especially tips and hints on a stage production.

Matt.
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Subject: Re: Discussion on "The Grapes of Wrath"?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:38:26 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep30.163751.15735@cc.gatech.edu>
goldsman@cc.gatech.edu (Michael G. Goldsman) writes:

>
>The very end when Rose of Sharon (what does that name mean anyway?)
>feeds the starving man.  What's the symbolism ???

I'm not sure if there is any intended symbolism to that part.  It's just
an extreme example of one of the themes (the poor help the poor).
Of course, there may be some symbolism that was lost on me too.

>What about Casy and Tom's  feelings about everyone being a part of
>"one big soul"  What religions influenced Steinbeck?

Read Emerson's essay called "The Oversoul".  Of course, this is all very
similar to eastern religions, too, though I doubt JS was influenced by them.
As for Casy, he's clearly a Christ figure.  His initials are JC (so what?,
you may ask).  Now go back and re-read the section where he is murdered.
Look at his dying words.  "They don't know what they're-a doin'."  Now
go read the Gospels' accounts of Christs words on the cross.  "They know
not what they do."  It's pretty clear where the religious influences are.
Also see the other note below on the baby.

>what were hgis feelings about communism... Did this book
>cause trouble because of its left-leaning views?

I think S. was blasted by a lot of people for this and another similar novel
(whose name escapes me at the moment, but it's largely about the labor
movement among migrants) for being a "Red".  Simple McCarthyism, in my opinion.

>How historically accurate is it?

I believe the conditions were far worse than Steinbeck depicted.  They may
still be, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure he deliberately toned it down
to avoid the public dismissing it as obvious fabrication.

>another thing I noticed was that a lot of the main characters
>were downright unlikable -- especially Al with his constant
>complaining... Rose of Sharon at times, and the two children..
>Why did he make Al such an annoying character?

I don't know.  There are certainly people like that.

>What was the signifigance of the Dead baby floating down the stream?

Think of a similar story about a baby floating down a river that you've
heard of in the Bible.

-Kurt
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Subject:      Re: Wham, bam, thank you Sam

Ian, I would love to talk Beckett with you and anyone else who might be
interested.  I taught *Endgame* in a 20th century survey course last
spring (taught?  well, I led discussion), and it was interesting to see
that, while my students were befuddled by Beckett, for the most part,
they seemed to have a curious respect for the *nature* of the work,
especially for a writer who, without ever referring to any specific
Holocaust, is so extraordinarily able to present the sheer ubiquitous
apocalyptically vague spiritual miasma of our century.

I am a Joycean, having written my dissertation on Joyce and remaining devoted
to the man, but was irritated by a presentation on Beckett at this year's
Joyce Symposium in Dublin that argued that Beckett suffered from a kind of
anxiety of influence in respect to Joyce, that Beckett's very style and content
bear the marks of his *need* to reject Joyce in order to be able to write at
all.  While I think that there may be *some* partial truth in such a view,
I take Beckett at his word when he says (what follows is near-accurate):

"The more Joyce knew, the more he could.  Joyce tends toward omniscience and
omnipotence as a writer, whereas I am concerned with the *impotence* and
inadequacy that marks the human condition in modern times."

This quote would indicate that Beckett's *concerns* were ultimately differetn
(different) than Joyce's, that Beckett sought not just to reflect but to
*enact* the impotence of modern humanity, whereas Joyce's writing is in
*defiance* of this aspect of modern humanity, a kind of repudiation of the
impotence of modern thought that would be desperate were it not for Joyce's
wonderful humor and shameless self-aggrandizement.  Do you know Adorno's essay
on *Endgame*?  He makes a similar, if vastly more articulate argument there
(stop me if you are one of the many, many folks who have no tolerance for
Adorno--their name is legion).

So where should we start?  I'd like to discuss something besides *Waiting* and
*Endgame*, if only that I might *read* something other than these works.  I
must confess that my reading of the novels is spotty and impatient . . . How
about some of the short, late plays?  We could type them for the list,
discussing what we type as we go . . . What do you think?

Michael McDonald
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Lauren and anyone else interested in children's literature might consider
joining ChLA, the Children's Literature Association. Although not yet on
the net, ChLA speaks through a quarterly (pubished at 22 Harvest Lane/
Battle Creek, Michigan 49017/U.S.A.) and an annual (recently moved to
Hollins College/Roanoke, Virginia 24020). Address all inquiries to the
first address (regarding membership, conferences, papers,etc.)


MJospeh
MJoseph
Rutgers U.
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From: leavitt@jevex.waisman.wisc.edu
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Subject: RE: The NEW Yorker!
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:06:59 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison

Lighten up Rob -----let's see what a few more issues bring.
I must confess that I am a bit worried about the Esquirisation
of the neo-New Yorker but it seems prudent to wait for a few
more issues before throwing in the towel.

Lewis Leavitt
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From:         Michael.Hazard@SUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      children's lit

While I have not read many new writers, i still read _The Hobbit_
once a year.  I first read the book at age 11 and have loved it
ever since.  also, _Where The Wild Things Are_ by Maurice Sendak
is a favorite of mine.  I'm happy to know that I'm not the only
one who enjoys the children's section of the library/bookstore.

Speaking of Tolkien, have you read "On FAiry Stories?"  its a
theoretical examination of children's stories...pretty neat stuff.

-mike hazard (my real last name)-syracuse u.
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