HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cs318a62@ibmb2.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip M Scopes)
Subject: Re: 4-track recommendations...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:55:27 GMT

webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM writes:

>now at the other end of the spectrum, how about a little 4-track?  There's a
>Fostex 280 4-track (cassette) with built-in mixer for around $679 or so.  You
>can even get the MTC-1 to do MTC-to-SMPTE conversion with it so it can be
>controlled by your sequencer.

>For playing around, how good are the Fostex 4-tracks?  How do they compare to
>Tascam or others?

$679 sounds steep for a 4-track.  Got my Tascam Porta-05 for around $400.
I don't consider it professional quality, but for "playing around," it does
the job.
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: LP Stereo
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:48:38 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr7.040440.17691@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, cs318a62@ibmb2.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip M Scopes) writes...
>wesley@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Wesley Konrad) writes:
>I believe that the groove on a stereo record has a "left" and "right" half.
>The needle of a stereo record player separates these two signals and you get
>stereo.

The groove is V-shaped.  Walls are at 45 degree angles to each other.
(Maybe 90, I forget)  The decoding is done with magnetic pickups that respond
to motion along the correct vector.  You can't use this fact to reject common
mode noise (scratches, dust) because the mono part of the signal is
common-mode.

When were you born?

E.H. getting long in the tooth if this is actually rare knowledge.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:39:18 GMT


In a previous article, Will.ROCH803@XEROX.COM () says:

>Anyone know about the price and availability of the new Turtle Beach multisound
>(I think that's what they call it) card?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Will

I paid $799(US) for my Multisound at a local Music store. From what I can tell
this is a good price. I had to wait for it though. (A mixup at the store and
delivery from the supplier.) 

One note on the Multisound: It seems that under Win3.1, it wants to be the 
first driver installed. Using a Music Quest MQX-32M with it caused problems
at first. The only solution I came up with - ie trial and error - was to 
remove all other MIDI drivers and install the Multisound driver and then
reinstall the MQX driver. (Of course, Turtle Beach has yet to respond to
my inquires on CI$.) 

On other note: The drivers come on a 3.5 disk. The .wav sound files and 
extra MIDI files come on the Multisound version of the MME CD-ROM. Also,
the MIDI cable adaptor does not ship with the Multisound. You can order
one for $24 or build one. Building one is simple, but you have to get the
pin out of the DB-9 connector on the card. I found this on th CI$ in the
MUTLIVEND forum. It is a tiff file that shows the pin out. (This also
holds for the CD-ROM audio connector.)

And another note: The card use 32k in the low area of DOS memory. This
defaults to D000. If you leave this, you will loose your EMS pageframe.
If your hardware allows, you can move this to C800 and save the 64k page at
D000 for EMS. One nice thing is that it can be configured under software:
No switches on the card (except for the port adress). Also, this card
solves your IRQ wars. It takes full advantage of the AT bus upper IRQ lines.
And again, this is configurable under Windows.

And one last note: The Manual sucks! There is NO tech information. And the
Proteus 1/ XR manual will cost extra ($11.00). 

IMHO: Turtle Beach is being stingy when it comes to supplying everything
you need with the card. Though, the quality of the Sound and Proteus 
implementation is by far supperior to any Sound Blaster and the like.

PCH
-- 
Peter C. Haller				|	'If you do what you 
Imagination Processing Systems		|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always recieved.'
From: smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:18:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Tounges & Interpretation (was Re: Problems!!!!!)
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)  writes:

>"It seems that in all countries, our single greatest problem is, how you say,
>'BANDWIDTH'?"

See, Mike?  All around the world, people are waiting to hear, how you say,
'BANDWIDTH!'  What has become of the poor antiquarian beast?

                    Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
                 Going Up, Going Down, Going Up And Down.
From: helin@vehka.uta.fi (Mikko Helin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI rate (Was: Re: @ Whats The Best ATARI Sequence Package
Keywords: MIDI, SCSI
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:20:15 GMT
Reply-To: helin@vehka.uta.fi (Mikko Helin)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

I think that a new MIDI spec should be compatible with the old one,
so that old synth's were compatible. If faster baud rates are 
needed, The Spec should allow more than one (programmable) rates from 
current 31.25 kBaud to say 625 kBauds ( which is still possible for
the Macintosh ).

It's quite easy to modify current synths to get double baud rate 
( 62.5 kBaud ) either in hardware by changing oscillators ( from 1 MHz 
to 2 MHz ) or in software by just reprogramming serial in's ( but
that's manufacturer's business anyway ).

For any other type of data transfer ( like sample dumps ) there could
be another standard, which could be SCSI ( + some kind of protocol
build around it), because it's most popular interface for such purposes 
at the moment.

Comments, please!

Mikko Helin
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:34:39 CST
From:         Rod Lemcke <WEBERLOI@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject: LYRIC-SERVER?? It's Gone!! Help?

Does anybody know where in the heck the ftp site vacs.uwp.edu 130.210.1.1 went
to??????????????  I keep getting an open attempt rejected EVERY time.  When I
use the 130.210.1.1 address it fails to answer before the time-out period.


                   Any suggestions OR help????


                                              Thanks...
                                                        Rod L.
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Elvis in keyboard issue April 1992
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:17:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.8brjbdm
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Does anyone know what kind of trick they were trying to pull 
in keyboard magazine, april 1992?? All the writers and editors 
pictures were replaced with pictures of Elvis. Keyboard, 
Elvis is dead. ;-)
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From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:15:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: spectra.1992Apr9.181536.17658
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.142621.26608@cas.org> lrm28@cas.org writes:

[stuff deleted]

>I'm an engineer, also.  I try to get the scales right and try not to
>solo in the wrong key, and I know bunches of theory.  My best solos,
>though, come when I set the rules aside, reach deep into the grab bag,
>and play what _feels_ right.  Sure, instead of the 1.5 step bend, it only
>went a step and a quarter.  That's what made that solo different and
>special.  Playing nothing instead of the 38-note speed scale is an
>eye-opening experience.

I agree with you.  But I believe that a musicians grab bag is simply
that, a grab bag.  How you fill that bag is the trick.  We acquire
grab bag goodies by several stimuli, some more than others.  The
technical ability (scales, modes, chords, transposing, etc..) is a
good starting point for greater flexibility and to expand the technical
information we already possess.

By hearing - The patterns or phrases can be so alive that we become
             accustomed to them.  Even though we may not know what
             exactly was played we got the message.  It's an attitude
             of the phrase that we remember, how we technically pull
             it off is secondary.

By reading - Ah the written music, not to be underestimated for it's
             power of relating phrases to the reader it provides 
             instant technical content but the "feeling" of the 
             phrase is something that can only be related by the
             execution of the passage.  It simply gives the reader
             the technical knowledge but the application of that
             knowledge is what makes someone an individual.

Everything we know and/or are capable of pulling off is simply a
tool to the final product.  To provide entertainment.  Musicians are
in fact businessman, we are in the business of entertaining.  How we
market and deploy our product successfully is what makes a business
thrive or die.  We always possess a product ready to be deployed but
it is the constant additions to the grab bag and new interpretations
of the technical knowledge we have that makes it great.


Kawika
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: dpelton@isis.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:51:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.133056.6797@icd.ab.com> jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker) writes:
> [ranting about people who have more gear than money deleted:-]

>many people waste alot of time programming their synths and worrying
>about the latest and greatest equipment (including me from time to 
>time) when they should be concentrating on learning about the music.
>I think every musicians goal should eventually be to have total
>command of their instrument (and I don't mean programming).
>
>-Jaz (Fire-proof suit ready)

This is not a flame, but rather just a comment.  The phrase "waste
a lot of time programming" might be somewhat mis-directed.  As was
mentioned in the previous post, doing what you love is the important
thing.  I dare say we all have disciplines we like to have more
skill/talent in--and that we all could improve if we spent more time
working in.  But we don't any of us have enough time to work all day
at programming *and* playing *and* writing *and* recording *and*
making a living.  <sigh>  Don't we wish.

Some prefer to spend more time programming sounds, because they're
better at it or because they like it better or just because.  Others
prefer to spend more time playing.  Still others composing.  Some
are "master of none" but try to do all.

I think that telling anybody but yourself what his/her goal should
be is a waste of your time.

Dennis Pelton
dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: @ Whats The Best ATARI Sequence Package .. @
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:40:49 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

rga@rti.rti.org writes:

> In article <41ugiB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> cyberden!system@nbn.com writes:
> >
> >*** THE FINAL WORD:
> >
> >        Hey gals and guys... enough already... the law states:
> >
> >MIDI Rate = 31.25 Khz
> > This = 320 Microseconds per BYTE
> >                             ====
> >MIDI bytes are 8 BITS.
> >
> >__________________________________________________________________________
> >   |       /         |\
> >   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ cyberden!system@nbn.com ]
> 
> Sorry to question THE FINAL WORD, but where do you get 320 us/byte ?
> 
> 1/31250 = 32us, so 8 bits * 32us = 256us. Have I missed something ?
> 
> Randy rga@rti.rti.org

From the MIDI Sequencing in C book from Conger

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MOTU Apparently Now hiring ex Radio Shack Employees for Tech Support
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:20:35 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se

.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:

   A Macintosh apparently cannot send data to a MIDI interface at a throughput
   of greater than 140 kilobaud.

   Would someone PLEASE point out a verifiable technical spec SOMEWHERE that
   proves me wrong? PLEASE?

Inside Macintosh, volume IV.

Each mac serial port can send asynchronous data at 240 kBit/s.
Each mac serial port can send synchronous (externally clocked)
sata at 1 MBit/s (well, almost)

For instance, the MacRecorder sound input hardware has a data
rate of 10 bits * 22000 / second, and you can use it in stereo.

However, at that data rate, the slower macs can't keep up in
producing the data... a fast mac can, though. A IIfx would only
start breathing deeper, and a Quadra 900 would get rosy cheeks,
no more.

Any mac has at least two serial ports (except for the Poweook 100)

You could also buy a serial board for you mac; someone makes a
NuBus card that has an on-board CPU and has 8 ports; I'm sure they
can be used to pump data as well, with the right kind of sequancer;
probably would require MIDI manager compatibility.

So, you see, it's all in the MIDI adaptor hardware.

-- 
h+@nada.kth.se; Jon W{tte, the Diplomat - NOT!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cs318a62@ibmb2.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip M Scopes)
Subject: Re: CD RECORDER - Cheap!, Well.....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:58:31 GMT

be126@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Powers) writes:


>There may be hope for those of us who only want a few CD's
>made of our demos without paying $1000 for 'em...we just have to
>find someone with:

>	The new Marantz CD Recorder - Hey, it's $7500 list,
>but itreally exists!!! Makes >96DB range CD's on your
>kitchen table with an S/N of 89dB....

>	The model is the CDR600, saw it in a Lentines Ad
>in Cleveland. So, if you're one of those rich folk, but
>it - and charge us poor folk a nimonal fee to make a few CD's
>for our demos!!!

>	...still in shock in Cleveburg...

Does this CD recorder make CD's that can be played on a standard machine?  I
heard about a CD recorder demoed at CES once that made CD's that could only
be played on that machine (but that machine could play prerecordedx CD's).
From: Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: what's a reasonable price for a used KB-100 (Peavy speaker/amp)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:41:30 GMT


... I've got a friend who wants to buy mine.  He offered $40, which sounds kind
of ridiculous low.  But I don't even remember what they sell for new...
($250????)

help!

thanks,

marc webster
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Via: dcs.leeds.ac.uk (csvax1.ARPA); Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:51:12 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:47:34 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Problems!!!!!
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu

Apa Khaba!

>From: smill@COM.POLARI
>Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
>
>In article <11597.9204051137@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> The Brown Bottle
><ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK> writes:
>>>From: Dan Harkless
>>>Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
>>>
>>>In article <1992Apr1.193934.4285@jsp.umontreal.ca> u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca
>>>(Leclerc Marco) writes:
>>>>
>>>>J'ai une question:
>>>>	Lorsque j'essaie d'utiliser IRC sur un Apollo, je recois le
>>>>message suivant:
>>>>	"No termcap found for Apollo"
>>>>ou quelque chose du genre.
>>>>
>>>>Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire?????
>>>
>>>	Je ne sais pas; mais, peut-etre si vous posez le question en anglais,
>>>il y sera plus de personnes qui peuvent repondre.
>>>
>>
>>Nan da, kore wa? Furansuga mitai da ne. De mo, sukoshi wa wakaru. Ichiban
>>saigo no bun wa, "Moshi, eigo de shitsumon sureba, dare ka ga kotaeru
>>kamoshirenai" da to iu imi da to omou.
>>
>>Ross-c
>>
>>Nishin: Nihongo ga wakaru hito wa, hitori de mo kono guruup wo yonde iru hito
>>iru kai?
>
>	Ya, memang! Kalau pertanyaanya dimasukan ke bahasa ingeris, dong,
>jauh lebih gampang dapat jawaban.  Jelas sekali kan?
>

Bahasa malaysia saya ta'baik. Saya minta maaf. Orang-orang perumpuan malay
chantek!   ...... erm ....... Don't you think so?

Selamat tinggal

Ross-c
From: pixel@cbnewse.cb.att.com (william.j.sequeira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ===> FOR SALE: Korg 03/Wr
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:02:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Posting for a friend without net access:


			FOR SALE

	Korg 03/Wr (rack module), papers, sounds,
		pristine condition................... $800

		Call Nate at
			W: (408) 945.0139
			H: (408) 224.0252	PST
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: O.K., thanks all for the advice...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:34:01 GMT

Due to advice from very cool people, I'm now in the market for
a Kwai PH50 for around $105 shipped...

Or a decent velocity sensitive keyboard for around $225...

Thanks all,

Thom
From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI under Windows 3.1 (was: Re: 3.1 sound and APM)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:01:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.170136.5439
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, yon@smltlk.enet.dec.com (David A. Yon) says:

[stuff deleted]
>

>a new surge of cheap sound cards that have quality sound.  How about 
>a Proteus/1 and /2 on a card, along with a 16-bit D/A port!!  Yeah!

Check out the Multisound card from Turtle Beach Systems. It has a
Proteus/1 on board as well a MIDI and a 56001 DSP for .WAV output
and hardisk recording (44.1khz!) in stereo. ~$900 though...

PCH
 
-- 
Peter C. Haller				|	'If you do what you 
Imagination Processing Systems		|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always recieved.'
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From: ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:10:25 GMT
Organization: Minstrelsy & Lutherie

sasbpb@sor.unx.sas.com (Brian Bowman) writes:

> After spending $1,000.00s on a custom made Guitar (ZION strat style), a
> Mesa Boogie, and a bunch of MIDI rack equipment I am in total agreement
> with you.  Although I do pay electric guitar pretty well, working diligently
> on the most fundamental elements of music with my $700.00 classical guitar ha
> brought more integrity to my music then ANY amount of expensive equipment eve
> could.

Note $700 - not $150.  Expensive enough to be not a piece of junk.  It's worth
noting that you should always, if possible, practice on an instrument that
you're not yet "worthy of".  If you're better than your instrument is, the
instrument will be holding you back.  A good instrument will help you learn,
not hinder you.
(This is not intended to be a justification for substituting money for practice
time.)


=============================================================================
Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or* uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed
        "Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: what's a reasonable price for a used KB-100 (Peavy speaker/amp)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:29:41 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <"15-Apr-92..9:41:30.EDT".*.Marc_W._Webster.henr801c@Xerox.com>  
Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM writes:
> 
> .... I've got a friend who wants to buy mine.  He offered $40, which sounds  
kind
> of ridiculous low.  But I don't even remember what they sell for new...
> ($250????)
> 
> help!
> 
> thanks,
> 
> marc webster

They're $ 330 new and regularly go for $250 used if they're in good condition.

Your mileage may vary . . .

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

"$6000 for a Microwave in keyboard form ? ? ?  The WAVE ? ?   and I thought the 
K2000 was overpriced . . ."
From: dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Minimoog:  No PWM???
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171352.8604@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>In article <9204101830.AA17929@cafws1.eng.uci.edu> dan@cafws1.eng.UCI.EDU writes:
>>	Hi everyone.  I was looking at the review of the MIDIMini in Keyboard
>>and trying to figure out what all the Minimoog can do.  As far as I can tell,
>>there is only manual pulse width modulation?!  This can't be.  Another
>>question I have is:  Is the wave select knob continuous or multi-position-
>>switch-type?  Also, do the higher end Moogs (Poly, Memory) have the same
>>killer filter(s) as the Mini?
>>
>The Mini Moog has no pulse width modulation capability.  The Waverform
>selector is NOT continuous.  There are three variations of the pulse
>wave among other waves....that's the only 'pulse width variance' there is.

	Wow.  This surprises me.  In almost all of my synth bass sounds I use
some kind of PWM.  I wonder why this isn't implemented.  I assume the Poly and
Memory have PWM...?

>
>The Mini's famous 'ladder' filter was particularily effective in the 
>Mini Moog because of a design 'flaw' on the PC board that allowed for
>a bit of feedback.  In ther words, the actual physical orientation
>of the compentsoard traces were par of the soun.  Virtually
>all later Moogs had a great filter, but not exactly like the Mini's.

	So the sole reason the Mini sounds so fat is because of the filter and
voltage-leaking artifacts, eh?  (there being no PWM...)

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From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Microphonics (was Re: Yamaha TX81Z problem - HELP)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:42:15 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <204983@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes...
>I have a fond memory of a jam session in a target room once: one guy
>clapping in time to the detector microphonics, another one using a
>piece of sandpaper on a piece of tubing he was polishing as a cabasa,
>and yours truly playing the open end of a hollow structural beam as a
>tabla drum.  It was pretty hip, but we didn't have time to make a tape,
>alas.  |->

This is the most musically relevant, not to mention inspiring, posting in this
group in a long time!

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | 
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |        "Put that brain in the wind tunnel!"
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