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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:17:27 GMT

stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes...
>
>>Well, allegedly they can be sharpened with one of those systems
>>employing the ceramic sticks with a triangular cross section.
>>But sharpening my Spyderco edges isn't an issue for me because I
>>would never cut anything with them except people (barring
>>occasional test cuts and dire emergencies).  And I don't cut
>>people often enough to worry about it.  Some folks use their
>>carry knives for all sorts of mundane chores, but I just can't
>>see taking that kind of risk.  You might as well hammer nails
>>with your Glock or trim the hedge with your Katana.
>
>You carry a Katana in daily dress and have a short knife that tastes 
>human blood more often than kindling, and you manage to stay out of
>prison ?

Well, it's easier than you might think.  I anticipated some
difficulty riding the Metro commuter trains with my katana.  But
somehow there always seems to be plenty of room for me and my
trusty hardware.  Even when the train is packed, the crowds
mysteriously part before me, and some kind soul inevitably leaps
up to offer me his seat.  In fact, I usually wind up with three
or four seats.  People are so kind.

Yes, my knife has tasted far more human blood than kindling.
Mine mostly, I regret to say.  I used to do some fairly
complicated solo exercises with a live blade.  It finally
occurred to me that I might not live long enough to ever be
attacked if I kept on slashing myself.  But there was a lot of
bloodshed before dawn broke.
 
Hey, prison holds no terrors for this bad boy.  I spent some of the
best years of my life in the belly of the local public school
system.  Making weapons in metal shop, fomenting food riots,
taking care of snitches, sweet talking the screws.  Been there,
done that.

>*Damn*, you must live in a rough section of town, Richard.

Boy, you're right about that.  It's *rough* here in Chevy Chase,
Maryland.  My neighborhood teems with lawyers, doctors,
lobbyists, bureaucrats and other scumbags of the same ilk.  If
they don't smack you with their Gucci bags, or run you down with
the Lexus, they snub you at the Junior League fund raiser.  Give
me the inner city any day.

>Ever consider joining forces with Professor Gilbey and 
>publishing your experiences ?

Nahh, the guy has no imagination.  
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,soc.men
From: GMS@psuvm.psu.edu (Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido and the jab...
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:17:31 GMT
 <YeQ3Sia00UoJJaM39v@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <YeQ3Sia00UoJJaM39v@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stephen Chan
<sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>        I wonder if this Aiki-Sainthood thing is characteristic of
>American Aikido, or if the folks in Japan are as starry eyed?

Beats me, although I'll admit I do get annoyed by those who approach
Aikido as some sort of 'new-age' religion. My bet is that this is a
western illusion.

However I'll bet that *few* aikidoka really feel this way.  I just came from
a camp with over 200 aikidoka.  I would bet that the majority (certainly
the majority with whom I've talked) regard Aikido as a martial art.  Indeed
it is a martial art with the intent of non-violence -- but so is the spirit
of MA in general.

Besides, this is no different from the illusion of the Shaolin priests as
carbon copies of Master Po or David carridine -- the 'Jesus' figures of
gentleness and saintlyhood.  Makes a good fairy tale but it ain't necessarily
so.

gerry santoro
academic computing/speech communication
penn state university
aikido kokikai penn state

   "Opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one."

                              Dirty Harry
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Questions about Pentjak Silat, et al.
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:44:27 GMT
	<4008@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters) writes:
> It advertises classes in Pentjak Silat, an Indonesian system, taught at
> the Martial Arts Institute, Inc., in Monroeville, PA.  Aside from the
> pentjak silat itself, also mentioned in the two logos on the paper: 
> Cun Tao, Kali, Chi Kung, and Poekoelan Tjimindie.

	Sounds like Mas Don's school.
	I visitted his school a few months back, and he's a very
knowledgeable, friendly and good-natured person. His technique looked
pretty good to me, but I don't know much about P.S.

> Has anyone heard of this school?  What is it's reputation?
> Of the named arts, do they have good reputations, or are any of them
> "designer arts?"  What weapons, if any, are used?  What techniques, or
> bodies of techniques, are stressed (throws, strikes, kicks, weapons,
> etc.)?

	I believe that they work knives and maybe sticks for weapons.
Training covers everything from kicking range down to groundfighting.
There's a strong kung-fu influence, so they have lots of open hand
techniques.
	The takedowns and throws weren't as good as, say AJJ, but they
are probably functional (assuming you get good at them).
	His school emphasizes character development also, and making
confident people with winning attitudes (so it's not just "I wanna
KILL!!")

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:43 CDT
From: <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
 <1992Jul26.105659.19538@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
 <HELLER.92Jul26101949@teucer.think.com>

>
>   mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
>   : and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
>   : cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
>   : do this?
>
>   If the temperature is the only difference - then the answer is: It doesn't.
>
>If temperature were the only important measure of the liquid, the answer
>would be: "it doesn't", but there are other considerations.  As I
>understand it, and I'm not a physicist, there are more crystalization sites
>in hot water than in cold water, and when the hot water passes through the
>lower temperature, it isn't in exactly the same state as the cooler liquid.
>So, the freezing process can in fact take less time starting with hot
>water.  In any case, this is easy enough to try at home.

  That fact you are not a physicist shows...

  I don't think that you did try this at home, or else you'd see that
this does not work.  Okay, you have two beakers of water: one 70 degrees
one thirty degrees.  You dunk them in a cold bath.  By the time the
first has reached 30, the one that was previously thirty is much colder..
possibly freezing already.  But the first one is in the same state as
the one that was already thirty!!  So it's just plain behind!

>
>I draw two lessons from the hot water parable:
>
>1. The world is complicated --- everything isn't always like it seems.

  True.  But by-and-large, 99% of the time, occam's razor gives you a
darned close shave.

>
>2. Physics is stupid if hot water can freeze faster than cold water.  I'm
>glad I didn't study physics!  :-)

  The physics department is probably glad too.  :-)
  * Kidding * just * Kidding *

>
>-steve  (steve heller --- heller@Think.COM)

  D*A*V*E
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: What to learn in Tucson AZ
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:14:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.212736.11736@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Ken Shenkman) writes:
>
>1) Does anyone know about MA in Tucson? What's available.

You're in luck!  There's a world class master of Wing Chun living in
Tucson.  His name is Augustine Fong.  He is also a very nice person.
When I was there, he had a small school on east Speedway.  He is
a very modest man so it's easy to underrate him.  That would be a
serious error.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:44:33 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <23JUL199209181972@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> uubrian@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRIAN BENTZ) writes:
>In article <14lb9pINNj4n@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes...
>>Yes.  Just be sure not do anything you read about in the Chia books, though.
>
>	Care to enlighten us as to why not, Michael?

I've heard from several sources that the stuff Mantak Chia writes about is
unsafe, unproven, and even if it weren't it isn't the sort of thing you
should be trying out of a book anyway.

The very worst thing that can happen is you end up psychotic or crippled. 
At best, you waste your time and money.  I've never met anyone who claimed
specific benefits from following his writings.



-- 
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
From: albert@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Albert E. Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:27:01 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

Sorry if I'm cross-posting with anyone, but I just wanted to throw in my
2 cents about a dog not feeling pain from a 6-foot fall.  Biomechanically,
that kind of fall for a dog just isn't as serious as it is for a human.
It has everything to do with size and mass and how forces and materials
properties scale with them.

Al
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Hot water
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:56:59 GMT

mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
: 
: and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
: cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
: do this?

If the temperature is the only difference - then the answer is: It doesn't.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: deadliest art
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.214433.13396@access.digex.com> cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart) writes:
>
>
>>Absolutely. This is why it strikes me as so ludicrous to recommend MA to
>>someone as a means of self-defense (assuming they need it). It just takes
>>so damn long, that I think it is only realistic to measure it in terms
>>of decades rather than years. 
>
>I have to disagree.  The time to train for 
>self defense is now, when you do not have a 
>need for it, not 5 years from now when you 
>do, and you are crying about how it takes
>5 years to learn a MA.  You stand there
>knowing nothing, when you could be a master,
>but for 5 years of time not spent on a MA.
>
>I am starting to think that the best thing
>is to learn a MA, learn about some weapons,
>learn some tactical situation management, 
>and more than anything learn the attitude.

There are also a lot of situations in our 
society where it is just not practical to 
carry firearms.  Many institutions have 
unambiguous rules against carrying on their
property.  A lot of those places are great
places to work.  Sure, there are dangerous
areas, but most of us don't spend much
time in the ghettos and we don't live in
the Western U.S. circa 1850.  Guns are
just not "normal" accessories for most of
us.  Now we can argue about whether or not
our society would be safer or more polite
if things were different, but that's just
the way it is.  

Of course there are situations where a
prudent person must take exception to the
prevailing customs.  Yet, it seems to me that
there are a lot of situations where it just
isn't practical to go armed.  Consequently,
if one is interested in self defense,
a little bit of the traditional martial arts
could be very useful.  Besides, it is looking
more and more likely that what's left of
our right to bear arms in the U.S. will be
severly restricted, if not eliminated.  
That is going to present a lot of law abiding
citizens with some tough choices.  
(Many of the subscribers to rec.m-a live in countries
where it is difficult or impossible to 
legally carry firearms, today.  This is not an
exclusively U.S. forum.)



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Subject: Re: Weapons
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:29:34 GMT
Summary: Steel staff

In article <1992Jul27.172345.10586@unixg.ubc.ca>, sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger) writes:
> >From article <2A72145C.1551@ics.uci.edu>, by mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen):
> >> What are the laws concerning knives, guns, baseball bats, etc.?
> >> (I happen to live in southern California, but I'd like to hear about just
> >> about anywhere.)
> >> 
> >> What can you carry, what can you conceal, what can you have in your car,
> 
[ stuff deleted]
> Most of those monks only carried a staff into that battle.  Of course
> the staffs they carried were iron and weighed more than 30 pounds
> apiece.  (You might want to build yourself up for that one. :))]

Actually I have trained at home with an iron pipe as a staff off and on in
order to build up strength ( upper body, arms and hands), this has worked out
well for me. It also makes it easier to use some of the long weapons that I 
use during training.

-- 
Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!
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From: acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Jul24.152210.20460@craycos.com>
	<MARY.92Jul27162650@martinique.Cayman.COM>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:56:50 GMT

In article <MARY.92Jul27162650@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM
(Mary Malmros) writes: 

   You see, they seldom just outright fail someone.  They do something
   much more sadistic, which is called a "conditional".  This means
   that you'll get your new rank at some time in the future, when 
   they've decided you're ready for it.  And then you really have to
   get your act together.  Sometimes people can test (for lower ranks,
   at least) and be kind of marginal and get away with it, but once
   you've got that conditional slapped on you, for ANY rank, you are
   going to have to get really good at whatever it was you botched
   before you get your new rank.  You have to work at it with seriousness
   and patience, and you never know when you'll get your new rank.  I
   know of some people who had conditionals for the better part of a 
   year.  Then, one day in between classes, sabumnim calls you over 
   and gives you your new belt.

I've often thought that "promotion" like this is better than the
standard test.  Any other comments? 
--
Raul J. Acevedo
acevedo@MIT.EDU

Life is a mystery and it's an unsolvable one.  You simply live it through, and,
as you draw your last breath you say "What was that all about?"
		--- Marlon Brando
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:02:38 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Aikido and the jab...

stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
> Hee hee.  I love it.  Real people and real life getting in real tussles.  
> So much for Aiki non-violence sainthood for the Deshi.  :-)  Ahhhh ... that 
> story was a refreshing change from the usual paragon-of-virtue tales !
> Probably got suckered by a wild swing, too.  Bet he carries a gun
> now, or tear gas or something.  ;-)

	I wonder if this Aiki-Sainthood thing is characteristic of
American Aikido, or if the folks in Japan are as starry eyed?

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Subject: Re: East Coast MA gathering was: Options
Keywords: Fredericksburg VA AUG 8,9
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:36:30 GMT


>Cherry Poptort writes:

I like that!  My lawyer is always talking about
torts and muttering about me going around and 
shooting people.  His official advice, make sure
that they are DEAD so that they cant sue you...

>Well I'm too foolish to be scared :-)  So instead, why don't you
>consider coming down to F-burg VA AUG 8 and 9 for the East Coast
>MA gathering, we'll even teach you the secret handshake :-)

Well, I will be on the road those days 
(coming to a city near you!) but thanks 
for the offer!  Actually, I am trying to 
be in Virginia on August 4-6 for the 
Surveillance Expo '92 (Gordon Liddy is the
keynote speaker) but I am not sure if it
will work out.  The company that I have started
doing work for is completely unreasonable, 
making me conform to *their* schedule.  Hmmpf.

>You think for a minute none of us carry
>weapons or go on dates? 

So tell strange tales of "dont sit on that 
katana" or "why do you chain your dildos
together?" (sorry ;-)

Cherry! 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
Subject: Re: THX for boardbreaking article list
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:06:18 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
Subject: THX for boardbreaking article list
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:24:22 MST


I don't know how to send non-network E-mail from the system I use to get to
the net.

STICKS

So for Brad Appleton - I'm in Phoenix. So can't help with Chicago info.
Thx for the otherinfo. Good luck in ATA.

Xref: sparky rec.misc:192 soc.college:3496
From: mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.misc,soc.college,mit.bboard
Subject: * Car recomendation wanted
Date: 28 Jul 1992 13:17:53 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
Distribution: world
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Keywords: car

I would apreciate any recomendation, tiops, experiences or otherwise you might
have for me. I'm looking to buy a car in the near future. I'm a 20 year old
white male and drive pretty aggressively. I'm looking for something built after
1987, stick shift and under or around $7,000. Please e-mail me with ANYTHING
you have. Thanx,

							_Mike_
--------
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From: cgreenho@geppetto.encore.com (Charles Greenhouse)
Subject: Bodybuilding Contest
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:32:57 GMT

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From: Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: AIDS: New Findings
Date: 27 Jul 1992 22:17:45 GMT
Organization: LBL
Distribution: world
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X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I heard an interesting talk show this morning concerning a new book
titled "What the Government Isn't Telling You About AIDS."  The author of
the book, Dr. Lorraine Day of UC San Francisco, offered her findings on
the air and fielded questions from listeners.  According to her, research
has shown that the AIDS virus is not a fragile virus and that it may
survive up to 7 days in a dry environment and up to 14 days in a moist
one.  It follows from this that AIDS may be transmitted through all types
of bodily fluids, including sweat, and not just through blood.  She
mentions other interesting findings on AIDS which she says the government
is intentionally hiding from the public.  Her findings are all based on
clinincal research documentation done around the world.  Her book may be
ordered by phone at (800) 537-2437.  I hope people who have heard
anything about Dr. Day or her book will post their thoughts to this
newsgroup.
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: San Antonio Area Hunting Recommendations
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:55 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I'm planning on heading down to San Antonio next fall to see my sister,
and I wanted to do some deer hunting as well.

I'm looking for info/recommendations wrt good places to hunt within a
relatively short distance of San Antonio.

I am primarily a bowhunter, but I may take my .30-06 along for this
one.  I'm not a rich guy, and I've heard some stories about how
hunts in S. Texas can costs several thousand, and I'm afraid that's
out of the budget, but maybe $1000 wouldn't be.

Any info/recommedations that I could follow up on would be much 
appreciated, including cost, success rates, etc.  I know very little
about Texas hunting except what I've read, so any info would be useful.

Thanks,


Ken Whitehead
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu (John Kapson)
Subject: Moving to Palatine, Illinois -- Where to hunt/fish?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:44:32 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


As the subject line says, I am moving to Palatine, IL this weekend
and would appreciate any advice on good, public hunting or fishing
places in that area (for those who don't know, Palatine is about
35 miles north-west of Chicago).  Thanks in advance.

+-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
| John Kapson   NRA IEEE ACM  |                                              |
|                             |   My gun is safer than Ted Kennedy's car.    |
| kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu   |                                              |
+-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: brianh@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Brian Heifner)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Bug spray
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:04:46 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Hello All.
	After succesfully scouting for elk a couple of weeks ago I
remebered a question that came up last season. Bug spray. Can the
critters out there smell it. I would assume so. Is there a odorless
bug spray out there?.

What about other alternatives?. A good cake of mud applied across the
body?.  Not a good sounding idea.

Maybe I am being too cautious. I know I can smell it but maybe the
scent does not go to far. Besides that the elk have a very
noticeable(SP?) smell themselves.

 What does the net think?

Happy hunting...    Brian