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From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:16:16 GMT
	<AKI.92Sep7125445@kagari.mel.toshiba.CO.JP>
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Reply-To: kenji@komaba.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Distribution: fj
Organization: RCAC Project, ASTEM RI, Kyoto, Japan
In-reply-to: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp's message of 9 Sep 92 02:08:16 GMT

In article <4643@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp> okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto) writes:
 |If the self-sacrifice is focused only on to get 'unity', I don't like
 |if, too.   However, as a general tendency, I do not like to be familiar with
 |recent JAPANESE who seems to have forgotten the importance of self-sacrifice.
 |However, as this is only my impression, it may stand on wrong observation.
 |If so, I say sorry.  OOPS,  I seemed to have changed the subject.

Self-sacrifice is a general concept among many cultures. You can find
stories showing importance of selfless activities in the Bible.

One thing you should not confuse is, however, that devoting oneself to
an organizational activity does not necessarily mean you are doing the
right thing. I guess I belong to the me-generation recently emerging
in Japanese society, and I think people of my generation believe that
it's all up to an individual to decide whether he/she is doing a right
thing or a wrong thing. I dunno how old Okamoto-san is, but from what
I see in Okamoto-san's article I guess Okamoto-san belongs to a bit
older generation, who values obedience to group ethics than insiting
individual freedom. This difference may cause a harsh dispute between
older and younger generations in our country.

 |Anyway, I would like to ask anyone on this net, why do you think that
 |Japanese society have the habitts to make all the thing 'unity'. 

The bureaucratic tendency of Japanese society and politics surely
contributes to the homogeniety and uniformity of our society. I see a
autocratic, totalitarian communist society there - where the Soviet
Union was directed to.

I also find out another tendency - individuals in Japan try to get as
much attention from their colleagues or their group members as they
can (so that they can confirm they are not alienated alone). And at
the same time, the individuals show arrogant attitudes and ignorance
toward those who they do not consider as their group members.

 |Or in the other words, WE Japanese really want to be in uniform society,
 |I cann't believe this yet.  Is this reality ?

I think not. Japan is well-segmented country - I find serious cultural
difference after moving out from Tokyo to Osaka on July. The
government is trying to spread illusion towards its people that they
are a united race - to avoid people to break apart and to get
uncontrollable. Alas, many people, especially old ones, strongly and
blindly believe that Japan is a monolithic nation.

// Kenji
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Endless discussions?...[ISO376 ENGLISH] [+JAPANESE]
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:39:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:

 >SARCASTIC MODE ON
 
 ...

 >Since we are a minority and maybe endangered specimens (sp?) we better
 >be carefull...

 >   :) Dave McLane  davidg@aegis.or.jp
 >   :) You are NOT free to copy/quote/translate: the 'snore' is copyrighted

 >Ok, I used your snore. You can use as well my 'schlurp' (drooling sound of
 >those who sleeps with the mouth open).

 >Schlurp.

 >SARCASTIC MODE OFF

JOKE MODE ON

I'll be taking you to court for infringment of copyright just as
soon as we have fj.copyright.infringement.in-japan set up :-)

JOKE MODE OFF

Dave

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:02:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

aki@mel.toshiba.CO.JP (Yoshiaki Kohno) writes:

...

>Though I haven't received Mr Rikitake's posting yet, I agree with him.
>I don't see any point in saying that Japan is a homogenous country or
>something like that.  My guess is that such a illusion is convenient
>to those who govern the people: "Harmony is the essence of OUR
>culture. So do not disturb it no matter what you think about the
>society. It's your fault to feel uncomfortable, ignored, isolated,
>and/or segregated here. Look, silent majority support existing
>system, why can't you change your mind that way?", nosense, isn't it?

From having watched the glazed look that come over people faces
when they say "Japan is a homogenous culture" I suspect that there
is some kind concensus trance going on here. IMHO, similar to
what happens when Americans say "America is a free country".

>As for the original question:
>I don't want unifor society, because it will be a boring society. 
>I don't want to say "We Japanese", because there were/are/will be no
>such thing anywhere in the world expcet for someone's head.

In my experience, it takes a long time before someone can even stop
saying the words at least 3 years of having somebody question them
everytime they say We Japanese, "For example, who?" 

> >  I suppose Japan is well-segmented into "Mura".  It's a symbol of
> >segmented, homogenized and exclusive society.
>
>And the members of most Mura have a illusion that "Our Mura is THE
>typical community", and stop thinking any further.

Yes, I think so. But I don't think it's limited to Japan. Many
people consider the world of their particular experience to be
the world at large.

>By the way, though the topic of this thread may be suitable to
>soc.culture.japan or whatever in soc, I have no access to soc
>newsgroups. Therefore, I support life-in-japan NG. 

Not that it's so interesting (mostly non-Japanese discussing things
Japanese and/or telling Japan how it should be :-) But I'm curious,
you don't get all the regular USENET newsgroups? 

Dave

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From: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Summary: Hmmmm, it's funny
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:18:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Univ. of Osaka Prefecture, Dept of Earth Science, Sakai, Japan

Claude> "Foreigner" counter said:" Hey! Why don't you use the japanese counter?".
Claude> Then I said:"Simple, I"m not japanese", he said: "No.No. If you have a
Claude> re-entry visa you can go there". Then I was wondering why the japanese
Claude> didn't write something like:"Japanese and residents" instead that
Claude> stupid "japanese" only.... :-) :-) (Two :-) just in case...)

Hmmm, it's funny.
Your thought is reasonable, I think.
Why not to write 'japanese and residents'.......?

Because someone want to separate the residents from Japanese.
But why....  Hmmmmm.
Someone please tell me why.
 
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:44:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


I liked very much the news broadcasted yesterday night (NHK) about 
a Korean-Japanese high-school girl who decided to make $@K\L>@k8@(J
(Real name). It's very sad to know that Korean-Japanese and
Taiwanese-Japanese have to hide their identities, their language,
their culture to don't be bothered by the other japanese. I admire
how that girl is going against all these things.

I think it's time (how Mr. Rikitake said in his post) to break
the illusion that Japan can be "homogenous" and "monolithic"
forever. Much more than $@9q:]2=(J, Japan needs $@2ACM4Q$NJ#?t2=!JJQ$J(J
$@F|K\8l$HJ,$+$C$F$$$k$1$l$I$b!#!#>P!K(J. 

ciao,
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|                      | Phone: +81-3-3452-4941 Fax: +81-3-3451-0793         |
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There is something fascinating about science.  One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:09:53 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:
...
>I understand that the credit card system stands on the reliability of 
>keeping payment of consumer.  If the company doubts on you even if you 
>have enough income to pay, the company would be criticized that they 
>discriminated consumers by the nationality.  

>I don't have not much knowledge about law, but, isn't it illegal?
>I think at least this is injustice.... 

It may not apply to Japan, but my uncle was a credit manager of a
men's clothing store in Santa Monica for years and years. When I had
trouble getting credit (having just been released from military
service) he said there were the three C's: 

  credit    - where else have you borrowed money
  capital   - how much money/income you have
  character - what kind of person they think you are

I had no credit, and I had no capital, so I had to rely on character.  
Since I'm such a wonderful person this wasmn't problem :-) But,
seriously, the way you dress, the way you talk, and the way you
behave yourself is important. IMNO, getting angry and claiming
injustices doesn't do a lot for your character! 

Dave

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From: mhiroshi@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (H. Murakami)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: I confess, I committed a crime on nkf.
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:55:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hokkaido Univ. However I am subject to tansei for JUNET.


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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:19:11 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

>It's very sad to find out that only few domains in Japan are
>read-write accessible to non-fj newsgroups. And it's really disgusting
>that very very few Japanese domains are paying money for overseas
>email traffic. I urge those domain to subscribe international mail
>service such as InetClub or UUNET ASAP; otherwise they do a very
>harmful thing to our Internet society.

I've long suspected that few people had access to non-fj newsgroups
because the people there don't seem to have any idea of what's going
on in USENET. Do you have any idea how many have access to all the
stuff that's coming onto kuis (the feed site for Aegis)?

In general, I think there are few people interested in accessing
anything. I believe there are only about ~85 .co/.or in the kansai
which is very few, considering how many people there are here.

Dave

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Sumio Araki)
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:57:15 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Sep8124500@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

 |In fact, it's not wrong to write Alien in English refering to foreigners.
 |Alien is a "legal" and "official" term to refer to foreigners, usually.
 |However, I would like to change it to something like:"Japanese and
 |residents" and "foreigner passports". (I was surprised, but in fact
 |the "japanese" side WAS NOT only to japanese, but for foreigners having
 |a re-entry visa too!! )
 |

I forgot to put a -:) mark for my sentence.  So, I know the word
refering to foreigners.  Anyhow, thank you to point out.

By the way, at the custums, we can do same way.  Even if we have goods
to pay taxes, we can select Green rows, for example.

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
	<1992Sep10.035433.9847@rkna50.riken.go.jp> <2630@aegis.or.jp>
	<CLAUDE.92Sep11105737@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> <2641@aegis.or.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:07:29 GMT


Dave> So I understand. Not that I doubt what you say, but it's just that I
Dave> wanted some authorative reference. 

I don't know about Kyoto, but in Tokyo there's a section only for
"visa consultation" inside the immigration office in Ootemachi.
I have used that service many times and they provided me with all
information I wanted. I recommend to look for such service if you
want more information. I can also recommend a telephone service
with pre-recorded messages about frequently asked question to
the immigration office. You can get a list in the Ootemachi
Immigration office. (I don't know if this kind of service is
available in Kyoto). The other way is to call directly the immigration
office and after dozens of tries I think you can get them... :-)

Dave> You see what I find very curious is why such a big thing is made of
Dave> having to change your name, but no mention is made of how people
Dave> born in Japan of non-Japanese parents are not able to hold dual
Dave> nationality. 

By international laws there are two ways which countries can give
nationality: "Being born in this country" or "By blood" (of course,
there are very nice latin names for both of these terms...:-) ).
In Japan, unfortunately, one person can only get nationality having
japanese parents or naturalizing (Very difficult, I think, if you
don't have a japanese spouse...)

Disclaimer:"I'm not a lawyer (And very happy about it...) then
            I can only speak from my experience."
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From: yuki@sofia.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp (Hideyuki Ozaki)
Newsgroups: fj.lan
Subject: Re: MAC address
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:18:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fuji Xerox Co. Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: takasuka@ittetsu.isc's message of 8 Sep 92 04:59:24 GMT


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From: taga@shiogw.lab.shionogi.co.jp (Kenji Taga)
Newsgroups: fj.lan
Subject: Re: MAC address
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:51:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Shionogi Research Lab.,Shionogi & Co.,Ltd.

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In article <KOUSAKA.92Sep9105344@howgw.cc.howdy.co.jp>, kousaka@cc.howdy.co.jp (Yasuo KOUSAKA) writes:
>   $@$3$s$K$A$O!"%O%&%G%#$N9,:d$G$9!#(J

> In article <TAKASUKA.92Sep8135924@ittetsu.isc> takasuka@ittetsu.isc (Tohru Takasuka) writes:
> 
>  |$@:G6a!"J@<RFb$G0J2<$N$*$+$7$J(J MAC$@%"%I%l%9(J $@$,$"$k$N$K5$IU$-$^$7$?!#(J
>  |
>  | 02:00:00:00:00:01 $@!A(J 02:00:00:00:00:20 
>  |
>  |$@$3$l$OIY;NDL$,F3F~$7$?$b$N$i$7$/!"%m!<%+%k%"%I%l%9$i$7$$$N$G$9$,!"(J
> 
>   $@$3$l$O!"IY;NDL$N(J DSLINK $@$J$I$G$h$/;H$o$l$k%"%I%l%9$G$9$M!#$I$&$$$&7P(J
> $@0^$G$3$l$,;H$o$l$F$$$k$N$+$OCN$i$J$$$N$G$9$,!"(JFM-R $@$N(J DSLINK $@4XO"$N%^(J
> $@%K%e%"%k$K$O:G>e0L$O(J 02 $@8GDj$G!"$H=q$$$F$"$C$?5-21$,$"$j$^$9!#(J


$@!!$D$$:G6a(J DSLINK $@$rF3F~$7$^$7$?!#%/%i%$%"%s%H$K(J PS55 $@$H(J PC98 $@$r;H$C$F(J
$@$$$^$9$,!"$=$l$>$l$N%^%K%e%"%k$K$O!"9,:d$5$s$,$*$C$7$c$k$h$&$K:F>e0L$O(J 
02 $@8GDj$H=q$$$F$"$j$^$7$?!#$?$@$7!"$3$l$O(J Ethernet $@$r(J DSLINK $@@lMQ$G;H$&(J
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Ethernet Board $@$N(J MAC$@%"%I%l%9$r(J DSLINK $@$N%N!<%I%"%I%l%9$H$7$FMQ$$$kJ}(J
$@$,$$$$$_$?$$$G$9!#!J(JGlobal address $@$G$N@_Dj$H8F$P$l$F$$$^$9!#!K(J


>  |$@2C$($F!"$3$N(J MAC$@%"%I%l%9$r;}$D$b$N$NDL?.$O!"$"$k%^%7%s$+$i$N0lJ}E*$J(J
>  |$@DL?.!J%]!<%j%s%0$N$h$&$J$b$N!K$,$[$H$s$I$G!"(J
> 
>   $@!V$"$k%^%7%s!W$3$l$,!"(JNMC $@$+(J DSLINK $@%[%9%H$8$c$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!#(J

$@%Q%=%3%sB&$G%(%_%e%l!<%?$N@_Dj$r9T$&$H$-$K(J NMC $@$N%N!<%I%"%I%l%9$N@_Dj$r(J
$@9T$&$h$&$K$J$C$F$$$^$9!#$=$N%"%I%l%9$,!"!V$"$k%^%7%s!W$N%"%I%l%9$H9gCW(J
$@$7$F$$$k$+$I$&$+$GH=$k$N$G$O$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!)(J

>   DSLINK $@$O(J Ethernet $@$HF15o$G$-$k$N$OJXMx$G$9$,!"$3$&$J$C$F$/$k$H$d$C(J
> $@$+$$$G$9$M!#(J

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$@!!@_7WCJ3,$G!"(J"$@#M#A#C%"%I%l%9!a!a%N!<%I%"%I%l%9(J" $@$G$J$K$+ITET9g$,$"$C$?$N(J
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                           TEL. 06-331-8081 ex.561
From: takasuka@isc.mew.mei.co.jp (Tohru Takasuka)
Newsgroups: fj.lan
Subject: Re: MAC address
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:45:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Electric Woeks, Ltd.


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