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From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fish Smoking Recipes
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:59:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7220
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	With some success fishing in the last week, I drug out the Little 
	Chief smoker to convert my catch to a smoked delicacy.  My recipe is
	pretty simple and the results (I think) are fabulous.  I've tried
	others but I keep coming back to this one.

		Brine for Salmon, Trout, and Steelhead

		1 part rock salt
		3 parts brown sugar
		1 Tsp garlic powder/cup of mixture

	Cut the fish into large pieces and clean throughly, leaving the 
	bones in.  Only use high quality fish if you want your product to
	turn out well.  Do not keep dark fish "for the smoker".  They will
	taste as bad as they look.  Let them spawn.

	In a stainless steel or glass bowl, or crock, alternate layers of 
	brine and fish, finishing with a layer of brine on top.  Allow the
	whole mess to sit for at least 6 hours or overnight in a cool place
	away from the cats.  This is for salmon and steelhead so trout will 
	brine for less time if the pieces are smaller.  You can cut the brine
	time to about 4 hours if the fish has been frozen.  Frozen fish are
	drier and will accept the brine more quickly.

	As i said, some recipes call for a myriad of other stuff like liquid 
	smmoke, worsteschire sauce, water to cover and other ingredients.  I
	have tried all of this other stuff at one time or another, but it's all
	a matter of personal preferance anyway.

	Anybody else have other recipes they would like to share?

	Terry

--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: shing Magazines
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:48:44 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1687E7FC7.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>The 'In Fisherman' is one of the best you will find.

How about posting a subscription address.

BTW,  Paul from Marshall University (PRO016@MARSHALL.MU) sent me email
saying that he's lost news access temporarily.  He said he'd be back
to join us as soon as possible.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jcook@mumble.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.113714.1860@netnews.whoi.edu> jkocik@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu writes:
>In Lakes Michigan and Huron steelhead are frequently caught several miles 
>offshore.  Anglers look for a scum line (aka drift lines, junk line etc.).
>This is an area where upwelling of colder water forms a barrier to 
>drifting surface items.  In these areas steelhead are frequently found 
>close to the surface in the middle of summer.  Some anglers even flyfish 
>for them.  I would expect similar conditions in Lake Erie.  But remember 
>use caution when venturing this far offshore.
>

(prev. poster: you may want to consider putting newlines in your paragraphs)

I've never been on Huron or Michigan, but I don't think the scum lines
will apply to Erie, because you don't have the depth to maintain a source
of cold water. I've been on Ontario and have seen the scum lines, but
I've been in the MIDDLE (20 miles out) of Erie, and the water temp, etc
is basically the same.

What many people fail to realize is that Erie is COMPLETELY different 
than the other four great lakes. The western basin (Sandusky - Pelee Pt
and west) is avg 35' deep (maybe less), and gets very warm. The
central basin (from western basin to Erie, PA) is avg 80' deep and
gets pretty warm itself. The only section which maintains some cold
water is the eastern basin (Erie, PA and east), which is avg 160' or
so. I suppose upwellings of cold water may happen there, I don't know.

In summary, Erie is a warm-water lake, has a warm-water ecosystem, and
supports more tolerant fish, like walleye, better. Also, since it has
such a strong population of native (and better eating!) fish, DOW
people don't want to stock non-natives to such a level where they
heavily compete with a native, highly valuable (in $$) fish which
they don't have to breed.

Jon.
From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Bass eyes?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:45:53 GMT
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

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From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
Subject: Depth finder (Bad model?)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:38:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com



 I'm hearing that the Hummingbird LCR 3D depth/fish finder has some 
apparent problems with its performance and bugs. Does anyone having
one that is working in both 3D and 2D modes??? If not I strongly
recommend NOT buying this model.

 
-Greg


In article <1beqfeINNg9p@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
>
>Anglers,
>
> Any one out there have a Hummingbird LCR 3D depth/fish finder?
>I'm have trouble getting correct readings, and hope some other owners
>of the 3D model can give me some troubleshooting tips.
>
>Problem:
>
>         It finds fish every where!! (I wish). When I have it in 2D mode
>the screen shows a million dots all over the screen at all different depths.
>In 2D mode all it ever shows is the million dots and never a fish (big dot).
>If the unit was operating correctly the dots would indicate bait fish but there>just aren't a million bait fish in every part of the lake.
>
> In 3D mode it finds a lot of fish also, but instead of dots it shows the fish >symbol. Also in 3D mode It some times shows big triangles on the screen and
>can't find the bottom. It say's 1 foot and then 99 feet and back to 1 foot
>over and over again. 
>
> All these readings are while the boat is off OR running. I turned every thing
>else off in the boat but the depth finder. I also tried putting the screen
>in different locations. I tried rerouting the transducer cable to make sure
>it wasn't by any other cables. The transducer is mounted on the back of the
>boat about 1/8" below the hall. I also exchanged the the whole package with
>a new one, same results.
>
>Anyone else have similar problem or anyone else have a completely 
>working 3D model?
>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: phil@meaddata.com (Phillip Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Fishing Magazines
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:18:50 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1bcsl1INNedl@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield) writes:
|> 
|>  My favorite is Bassmaters. It has many helpful hints and strategy's.
|> It has 10 issues a year and is around $24 plus a free hat.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				  Haven't they been running some ads on their
				  TV show for $15 a year plus a subscription
				  offer of x number of lures/line and "stuff"
				  ??????????????
|> 
|>  The best thing to do is decide on what type of fish you want to catch
|> and goto a book store and look at all of them. This way you get to sample
|> many magazines and choose the one you think will be appropriate for you. Also
|> a lot of times the magazines will have disscout inserts for new subscriptions.
|> 
|> >I'm a new fisherman.  My wife bought me a rod and reel for my birthday.
|> 
|>  O-Boy if you only new how much money your about to spend in the next couple
|> of years on fishing gear/toys...
|> 
|> Good Luck!!
|> 
|> -Greg

-- 
Phil Jacobs                                                   (513) 865-7743
Mead Data Central       In a hundred years       System Evolution & Modeling
P.O. Box 933          This all won't matter!               phil@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401      -jimmy buffett-             ...!uunet!meaddata!phil
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Where to learn how to dive
Date: 13 Oct 1992 23:42:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine
Keywords: learning

In article <1992Oct12.233415.1696@smos.com> eric@smos.com (Super nice guy) writes:
>Hi!
>
>Well, I am thinking of getting into the world of Scuba Diving.  I live in the
>Bay Area and I'm looking around for a good deal to learn how to scuba (I have
>tried it before but it was just a simple 2-day class to learn how to dive in
>a shallow place).  Anyway, I was looking around (I live in Mountain View), 
>and a place called Wet pleasure seems to be giving a good price (class for
>$89.00, books + dive table + misc for $35.00, rental for class + openwater
>for $69.00 and dive certification for $20.00).  Most other places seem
>to charge about $250 for the above.  Now, I have a few questions for
>you experts out there:

I'd recommend the class taught at Foothill Jr. College.  It's a little
more expensive than W.P., but I thought it was pretty good (I'm TA'ing
it now.)  Cost is Foothill Tuition ($50) + books (~$20) + rental ($90) +
certificate ($15) + openwater dive ($120).

In either case, you need to purchase your own mask, fins, snorkel, boots,
gloves ($150).

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags 
-- that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal (Mark Twain).
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,misc.kids
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Any recomendations for dive gear for kids?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:42:43 GMT

Hi,

Deborah just thought of how neat it would be to watch fish, if only she
had a snorkel. I used to dive a lot back in the late 60's and early 70's
in the Monterey and Carmel Bays, but haven't been diving in a long, long
time. I've got a lot to relearn, natch, and I'd like to take her swimming
in the kelp, or over at Lovers Point, so I need to start thinking about
faceplates and fins and a wet suit -- but for a small-sized 9 year old
as well as myself.

So, anyone with kids diving who can point me to dealers or gear exchanges
or items I probably haven't thought of, I'd appreciate hearing from you.
This can be by mail, I'll summarize in about 30 days. We'll be the father
daughter pair diving from the blue folboat double off Cannery Row...

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Re: Nitrox for safety?
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.154323.17538@meiko.com> gordon@meiko.com (Gordon Henderson) writes:
>Just thinking about Nitrox ...
>
>Anyone out there using Nitrox for safety purposes, as opposed to using
>to extend bottom times or reduce deco. times? (Which would be hard for
>me to do anyway, as no one else in my club is even thinking of using
>Nitrox yet)

Count me in.  I use nitrox for a lot of shore diving and find that I am
hard pressed to dive outside the limits set by my Aladin Pro using an air
model.  This is only because of the multi-level profiles a lot of this
sort of diving provides and the fact that there is only so much air in my
main cylinder and pony.  I only find that I can take advantage of the increased 
bottom time when doing classic square profile dives, typically from a boat.
In these cases I use a mix to suit the depth, and use EAD with the Buhlmann
tables.  In the cases where I don't expect to exceed the multi-level limits
I use nitrox to give me an extra safety margin.

I also use 50/50 nitrox for deco on deep dives, so I guess this counts as
a safety use.  I use this in conjunction with O2 to reduce deco times at the
6m and 3m stops if available from the boat, otherwise just use the nitrox and
stick to the air stops.  I don't know any rules of thumb for reducing deco with
other than 100% O2.

The price differential is not such an issue here (yet).  Air fills in Sydney are
usually $6, and nitrox fills are $10.

I think there will be some real interest in nitrox use on the Great Barrier Reef
here, where maximum depths are often well defined by the bottom topography.
I expect, though, that for most dive operations there the mode will be to use
the standard (NOAA I or NOAA II) mixes and have people dive air profiles.

I've always found that for most of the divers I come across, the most
usual limiting factor on their dives is their air consumption.  Nitrox doesn't
mean longer dives unless their air consumption allows it.  In this way it will
probably just be used as a safety margin.

						Greg Ryan 	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Weight belt oops at 50'
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:12:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

OK. I suppose I see your concerns. I can understand panic and doing
things wrong at depth and that exasberbaiting (sp) the situation. I 
remeber on my original check out dive pushing the fill button on my BC
as opposed to the dump button and "shooting" to the surface. Got
quite a sqeeze from the BC. Haven't done that recently however. 

PS: The situation was from about 45' and I didn't have any detrimental
side effects except for embarasment. I was breathing out on the way up
but it would be able to close your mouth in a panic while going up
and then you would be in a whole lot of trouble. Oh yes, I'm PADI
Advanced OW by the way.

 
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: "Safety violations..." continuation...
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:37:34 GMT

The original poster's question was regarding his liability exposure.
That question has been solved... I suggest that he walk away from it.

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
From: stevem@col.hp.com (Steve Meyer)
Subject: Re: Staying alive at depth!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:53:38 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

First, you had better take a basic cavern course, followed by 
a basic cave course, followed by a cave course that introduces
you to the use of doubles.  Then decided whether you really 
want to take a DV into a cave.  

The "cave diving umbrella of safety"  includes such points as 
redundant air, 3 light sources (minimum), always using a line, 
and, ESPECIALLY*************diving the 1/3 rule.

The 1/3 rule says "in on a third of your air, out on a third, 
and 1 third left on exit.  If you take a DV into a cave
and it fails, you may well find yourself in a life-threatening 
situation.

It has been 5 years since I took the cavern course and the basic cave course
in Florida, maybe "best practices" have changed.  But I think you 
had better think VERY SERIOUSLY about taking some cave diving 
classes and getting some experiance (many dives) before you 
even consider using a DV in a cave.  Deep diving has not got anything to do with the experience i am talking about getting.  I am talking about 
serious learning about silt-outs, blind navigation (so to speak),
tangled lines, light outs, buddy breathing single file through tight 
passages, and a hell of a lot more.





                                      - steve meyer -
                                      (719) 590-2261  (if you want to 
                                                       talk about it)
From: grot@acs.bu.edu (Henry Nadig)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Dolphin Experience
Keywords: dolphins, snorkelling
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:23:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <39611@unix.SRI.COM> maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak) writes:
>The place you're looking for in the Bahamas is called UNEXSO, and
>they're located in Freeport/Lucaya, on the island of Grand Bahama.
>They are a very reputable outfit and well respected in the Bahamas
>dive community. They have a variety of dolphin experiences
>available.
>Valerie Maslak

There is also a place in mexico where you can do the same thing.
It is called Xcaret, and it is about 2 hours south of cancun, or 20 minuted from
Puerto Aventuras or Playa Del Carmen.  I was extremely skeptical about
the program, but spent some time talking to the lead daolphin keeper, who
set up the program in the bahamas and the similar one in Hawaii.

After spending a day at the operation, I changed my mind, having seen 
dolphins in captivity before, I was impressed with the energy level of the
dolphins and the natural play the engaged in in the large bay.
Last to ease my conscience was that the dolphins can hop the low bar at the
edge of the enclosure at will, and they even have some dolphins who go
in and out regularly

Dave Nadig
From: dgoodin@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Dianna Goodin)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Weight belt oops at 50'
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:03:10 GMT
Reply-To: dgoodin@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Dianna Goodin)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA



Okay, I'm newly certified and don't know all the ins and outs yet, but why
did it take 10 minutes for someone to come to your rescue? I thought that
no matter how good you get that you should also dive with a buddy.

If it takes 10 minutes for your buddy to realize your not around, I think
I'd have problems diving with them. 

BTW what did you say their names where, I'd like to avoid them should they
be on my next excersion.


Dianna
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: davidw@cie.uoregon.edu (David Weingarten)
Subject: "Safety violations..." continuation...
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 06:09:48 GMT

For all of you that read my last message regarding another instructor's
violation of safety procedures and standards... Now I really need advice.
This instructor called me today and informed me that I was too immature
to be an instructor, and that she no longer wanted my help with the class.
She cited her years of experience and my lack thereof (she's been an
instructor for 5 years.  And just for a note on the side, in that five
years she's had to take two people to the chamber.) as proof that I should
not be telling her how to teach (not that I really did so in the first
place.  I did make suggestions, but I did not make any implication that
I was somehow superior to her) and that I should be listening to her
and learning from her experience.

She says she called my ITC Director, Dennis Graver, and that she recommended
that I not be promoted to Instructor.  She told me that she did not want
me teaching, because I did not fit under the "Loved One" principle.  I 
have not been able to get ahold of Dennis yet.  This instructor has a
somewhat poor reputation in this area, and from my experience is far from
being a safe, competent diving instructor.  (Oh, and BTW, at the beginning
of the class (first session), she thanked me and said how wonderful it was
to have somebody who really knew how to teach helping her.)

This instructor has violated at least one NAUI standard.  I believe there
are more, but I will have to check further into it.  (Regarding this question,
when it says "water hours" under the NAUI required minimum, does that mean
pool only, or pool and open water combined?  If it's pool only, she's not
even going to come close.  OWI is supposed to have 17 hrs, and she'll get in
12 at BEST, more likely about 8.)  I would DEFINITELY not want her teaching
MY loved ones.  I joined NAUI because of the high standards we are 
(theoretically) required to live up to.  I feel, to some extent, that it is
my obligation as a NAUI instructor to report her to NAUI at this point.
I cannot observe the class any longer to see if the safety improves, as she
has asked me not to return.

What do you all feel about this?  I'm not going to take any action until
I get a chance to talk to Dennis Graver, but I'd like to know your opinions
and suggestions.

(Oh, and I talked to one of the students today, who expressed concern that,
since she was not evaluating people individually, but rather as a group,
that some members of the group could "sneak by" without learning some of
the skills.  I did not have to prompt him for this concern, he expressed
it entirely on his own.)

Thanks in advance,
		David Weingarten

davidw@cie.uoregon.edu
dmw@santafe.edu

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: stevem@col.hp.com (Steve Meyer)
Subject: Re: Safety/Standards Violations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:01:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


I am only a lowly divemaster, but I would think that you are at great 
risk liability wise in the situations you just discussed, if you continue to assist.
From: wcc@cup.portal.com (wcc - usa)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Documenting Australia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:44:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Any readers out there in Australia? Or recent/frequent visitors of Australia?
>Is there any places to rent underwater video, or still, photography equipment 
>in Australia? 

It would be a lot wiser to rent your video equipment from the States.
Australia uses the PAL video system and any videos you record with
this system would be incompatible with your own VCR's/Cameras as
the States uses the NTSC video system.

Rgds, Darryl
From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Nitrox for safety?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:39:42 GMT
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

In article <1992Oct14.142638.2621@cattnts.canada.ncr.com>, craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell) writes:
>
> What rules of thumb do you know for 100% O2 decompression?  I have tables, but
> they rely on square type profiles.  I've never heard of any generic rules.

My info comes from the Tech. Nitrox course run by IAND.  The claim is that a minute
of O2 on deco (PO2 allowing) is equivalent to 2.5 minutes on air, but they teach
that one should only halve the stops to give a fudge factor.
I don't have any references to hand for this, but will see if I can dig up the
relevant sources.  I'd be interested in hearing about the source of your tables.

					Greg Ryan
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Anybody been to Puerto Penasco?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
	<RHOUSTON.92Oct6173938@peoa.glacier.sim.es.com>
	<7OCT199209172939@carat.arizona.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:12:51 GMT

In article <7OCT199209172939@carat.arizona.edu> jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity) writes:


   Quick notes: Gary's is not so hot compared to dive trips run by Tucson
   dive shops, which all share the same boats.  Better to organize through
   Tucson than go down and hit up Gary's.  Also, their air smells like oil.
   The border crossing into Mexico requires the following: you MUST have the
   following: title in YOUR name, driver's license, and international credit
   card (VISA/MC/AMEX) in same name.  They'll charge you $10 for the
   permit, which is good 6 months.  You CANNOT have a "permission" letter
   (although things change from week-to-week down there) if the car is not
   yours.  

I've never experienced the oil smell in the air, but I don't doubt it happens. Our
luck with Gary's seems to depend on who's in the shop at the time or who is 
running the boat.

Which shop in Tucson would you recommend and how far in advance do you need to 
organize the trip?



				Richard