From: sidirop@leland.Stanford.EDU (stefanos sidiropoulos)
Subject: Re: Europeans Stunk
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:41:39 GMT


Kutluk Ozguven in <kutluk.712442725@ccl.umist.ac.uk> says:
> 
> I think the Greeks should not be angry at these words because if
> I am not mistaken, food and expressions are not the only legacy of
> Ottomans, and I hear that the "Turkish toilets", washing, and
> other hygenic rules are partly still in effect in Greece.

THANKS, I always wondered what was the benefit we got from 400 years 
of Turkish occupation and finally you opened my eyes. A friend of mine
suggested raki but finally EUREKA :

		   IT IS THE TURKISH TOILET !!!!

> >Dont worry: Every stinky European and Greek on that net knows that digression 
> >is a usual habit of the employees of 'Non Turkish Then It Sucks Inc'.
> 
> Actually the poster did not quote from Turks but other Islamic
> travellers. 

Now where does this come from ????

Lets take a look on the original posting :
KELLY@SUVM:
>> P.S. By using the title 'Europeans Stunk,' I do not mean to imply that
>> they do not stink now.  In any case, however, I am sure they bathe more
>> often than 'once or twice a year' nowadays, although I do not have the
>> relevant statistics about Greece.
sidirop@leland.stanford.edu:
>Well, I can give you some statistics if you are interested.
KELLY@SUVM:
>>                                   But, I digress.
sidirop@leland.stanford.edu:
>Dont worry: Every stinky European and Greek on that net knows that digression
>is a usual habit of the employees of 'Non Turkish Then It Sucks Inc'.

And you talk about other Islamic travellers. I would suggest to be more
careful on your answers (or perhaps you are as well a victim of the 
digression disease we were talking about).


Lets get serious here: My problem is that I dont see any other Islamic
people in the Usenet insulting whatever western habit they can think of, 
in any occasion, and trying to prove that nation X is not nation X.
This is exclusive behavior of some Turks. Why ?

> 
> >BE AWARE CIVILIZATION:
> 
> >'KELLY the historian' joins 'Mutlu the great' in his crusade:
> >They will prove that the roots of modern civilization were in Turkey, 
> 
> This is not something to prove. Turkey has been the cradle of
> many civilizations that both gave birth to western and eastern
> cultures since the beginning of known history. 

Yes that's true. I happen to be of Pontian-Greek origin and the fact 
is that MY GREEK ancestors were creating the civilization in Turkey
2800 years ago. Yours where somewhere in Asia at that time...
And just in case you repeat the crap of your previous message about 
"Perikles descendants trading in Instabul" take a walk at the local 
library and open a descent linguistics book. It will really help you. 

Some footnotes about that: 
(i)  I have never in my life been exceptionally proud of being Greek, 
     but seeing a behavior like yours I really feel that there must be 
     something special on my Greek ethnicity. 
(ii) With my ancestors story I dont mean I have any claim over the
     land of Pontus.

> 
> >Everybody else was uncivilized, and massacred some Muslims and Jews 
> >occasionally, just for fun. And (oh horror): THEY STUNK and THEY STILL STINK!!
> 
> The massacre of the Muslims and Jews were routine in Europe. I think
> no body can argue about that. Only fifty years ago millions of Jews 
> and other settlers of Europe were massacred; the 
> populations and governments either approved or ignored. Today, while

If I am not mistaken it was the Turkish government who was "neutral" 
during WW-2. Right ? 

And BTW, I noticed that you guys never cross-post your "documents"
regarding Jews massacred by Greeks/Armenians/XXX and protected
by Ottomans to soc.culture.jewish. Can somebody tell us why ?

> you are reading this line mant Bosnians are being killed or driven away
> from home. 40,000 people are massacred and 2 million moved from home
> in the heart of Europe, just because they are Moslems. 

Could you please inform us what is the current situation in areas of 
Turkey with Kurdish population ?

> Europe has been the cradle of wars, massacres and intolerance,
> and this does not seem to have changed. 

While Turkey has been the mother of civilization, peace and progress
for the world... Get a life!!

> Kutluk

Oboy, another guy who tries to be more 'Mutluic' than Hassan (candidate
for the kill file).  Not every Turk I know is like that but it seems that 
there is a significant portion sick by 'Mutlu disease'

-- Stef.