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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:10:17 GMT

In <BvHE8o.3Dt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:

>Just a little note here.  I am a drummer and I think Natural Science is not
>that hard to play.  To me Tom Sawyer is pretty hard, because his right hand
>is moving pretty fast.  I remember Neil saying in an interview that he always
>looked forward to playing Tom Sawyer in concert, because he feels that it's
>hard to play, and it is like a test for him to see if he hasn't "lost it".
>Also the end od Barchetta is hard with his right hand on the ride 
>cymbal.  I can't get mine to go that fast!  :)

As a drummer myself, I think the second half of Hyperspace from Natural Science
is harder to play than both Tom Sawyer and Red Barchetta.  I have little
trouble playing Tom Sawyer, and the end of Red Barchetta is EASY, but the part
in Hyperspace where he alternates hi-hat/ride cymbal at ludicrous speed is
pretty difficult for me.


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From: therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:31:54 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Oct2.145900.2184@bvc.edu>, earhartgregm@bvc.edu writes:
|> I have noticed that in the last two shows I went to (one of which was 
|> front-row, six seats off center in front of Geddy) the band doesn't seem to 
|> carry the energy they once had.  It's the same every time, same bouncing 
|> bunnies, same laser show, same "Thank you, good night, hope to see you 
|> again."  This isn't to say that I don't enjoy the concerts, but when 
|> compared to other bands, Rush simply doesn't have the same energy. 

What kind of energy are you talking about?  Do you think Geddy should do 
those split jumps (what David Lee Roth of Van Halen fame) used to do to get
the crowd energized?  Can't you appreciate the infamous one-legged hop Geddy
does across the stage?  Think about it, how could Geddy sing, play bass and
synthesizer, do the pedals AND move around on stage and act like an
idiot?  What about Neil then?  I think his drumstick tosses are way cool, doesn't
that get the crowd going?

The reason why I like Rush in concert is because they don't act like middle-aged
teenagers (for the most part) on stage, they play their music, have a great laser
and light show, and at times do the rock star routine and run around and get the
crowd going.

|> It seems that Rush lacks much of the showmanship and 
|> intensity of other bands, particularly their opening acts. 

I agree their opening acts are for the most part lame. I have never went to
a Rush concert to see their on-stage antics.  The best Rush concert I have ever
been to was the HYF tour in Jacksonville, FL.  I had seats on the upper level and
EVERYONE around me sat down (except during the encore and Tom Sawyer of course).
It was such a different concert experience for me because no one was into screaming
and drowning people around you out, but just sitting back and really listening to
great music live.  (BTW, I'm not old and boring, at the time I was 22.)

Please clarify what you think would make a more exciting Rush concert.  Personally,
every time I go to their concerts I think they are just getting better and better.


Therese  (therese@bnr.ca)
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:32:45 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct5.171120.26586@pool.info.sunyit.edu> gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman) writes:

>	Don't forget, New World Man is on Signals too.  But I think 
>the big connection is as Gregg pointed out, the obvious contrast 
>between analog and digital "signals".

> I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman				 
> I \ I_I _> I I  

I've been thinking more about _Digital Man_ and _The Analog Kid_, and
how the titles might be referring to the qualities of analog and digital
memory; I wonder if Neil wrote these lyrics in part during the MP
writing sessions (he sometimes has lyrical bits and whole songs lying
around for a few albums), because it is interesting to think of them
in the context of the lyrics to ``Vital Signs'' -- `warm memory chip,
random sample, etc.' ...


Gregg



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From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:53:51 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

Wow!  tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA typed...
> 
> I think that it was actually Neil who answered that in one the Ask Neil columns
> in the official fan-club newsletter.  I don't know, I don't remember.  I don't
> keep track of the trivia I have ammassed in my brains in the 26 years I have
> been alive.

Yes, Neil answered that question in a Backstage Club newsletter.  And,
amazingly enough, the quote is in the FAQ.

-- 
"I sing the Body Electric; The armies of those I love engirth me, and I
engirth them; They will not let me off till I go with them, respond to
them, and discorrupt them, and charge them full with the charge of the Soul."
 -- Walt Whitman                     dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: rushbashers and worst album flames
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:13:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Why is it that so many people seem to be flaming Rush's music on this
news group??  If those people don't like Rush, why are they subscribed
to this group?  One of those eternal questions, I guess...

Someone was commenting(actually a few people) that the album "Rush"
really sucked because it was so different than their later music. 
Well, of course it's different, Rush was lacking the lyrics and drums
of Neil Peart then.  I'm not a die-hard Rush fan like some people on this
group, but I have listened to all of their music, and I like the "Rush"
album, probably because of its raw qualities.  Hey, it's the first album
of an inexperienced group, of course it's not going to be perfect.  But 
it wasn't a bad album like many people make it out to be.

There was someone a few days ago who posted an article about a live
album called "Red Barchetta" and had the car on the front.  If anyone
knows where I could get one, please let me know.  Red Barchetta is
one of my favorite sons, and I'd like anything that has to do with it.

Thanks!

----Sue MacPherson        "Big shots try to hold it back,
                           Fools try to wish it away,
                           The hopeful depend on a world without end,
                           Whatever the hopeful may say."
                                              -Neil Peart
From: krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters)
Subject: Re: Neil's drumming
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:51:00 GMT

In article <uslave.718081817@mcl>, uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes...
>In <BvHE8o.3Dt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
> 
>>Also the end od Barchetta is hard with his right hand on the ride 
>>cymbal.  I can't get mine to go that fast!  :)
> 
>As a drummer myself, I think the second half of Hyperspace from Natural Science
>is harder to play than both Tom Sawyer and Red Barchetta.  I have little
>trouble playing Tom Sawyer, and the end of Red Barchetta is EASY, but the part
>in Hyperspace where he alternates hi-hat/ride cymbal at ludicrous speed is
>pretty difficult for me.
> 
I agree that some of Neil's most challenging parts are these, and a lot of it
is because you have to have good independence to pull them off.  It's not that
he's playing with one hand really fast -- Tom Sawyer is about as fast as it
gets.  When he's alternating the ride/hi-hat notes in the Hyperspace section,
he's playing the hi-hat with his left hand, & the ride with his right, bringing
the left hand to hit the snare on 2 & 4.  So each hand doesn't have to go that
fast.  A similar lick is in Tom Sawyer after "...He knows changes aren't 
permanent;  but change is." but he keeps the left hand on the snare the whole
time.  Also just before the lyrics begin in Subdivisions, he's using his left
hand on the hi-hat, and moving from the ride to the snare 2 & 4 w/ his right... 
that's a favorite of mine.

Another cool aspect of his drumming is his double bass work.  I was "taught"
percussion playing through middle and high school, but was never taught drum
set playing, so until I looked closely at concert videos, I didn't really 
know what he was doing in, for instance, the Tom Sawyer solo section.  After
I did, though, it took me about a year to actually learn to do this repeating
double bass/tom roll... about as long as it did to learn an clean open-stroke 
roll in my early percussion days.  So Neil basically introduced me to a 
fundamental of drum set playing.  That's what is inspirational to me about his
playing - though a lot of metal drummers today do stuff that requires incredible
stamina and is practically as impressive as Neil, he was almost a pioneer of 
this stuff in the '70s (well, guys like John Bonham, Keith Moon did similar 
things, but not as cleanly IMO).

By the way, while in college I've been lucky enough to get to play with some
guitarists who know some Rush.  It is really incredible to get to play a song
by Rush... you almost feel like you're in Neil's shoes.  Any other musicians
out there who've been able to live this fantasy?

Ken
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: YYZ
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:58:23 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article 6OCT199217053946@rosie.uh.edu, st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir) writes:
>Can somebody let me know which album is YYZ from? I was kind of 
>d
>dissapointed to see that YYZ did not figire on the Cronicles album.


Moving Pictures.

and yes, I'm mad it didn't make it to Chronicles.

Live version also on Exit.. Stage Left...
From: jhughes@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason C. Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush fan speaks
Date: 30 Sep 1992 04:55:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <29SEP199221133455@elroy.uh.edu> inde7lo@elroy.uh.edu (92F02544) writes:
>In article <96979@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes...
>

>Unless this was intended to be sarcastic, you just made an elitist comment.

I still don't see what's all that bad about being elitist, except that it's not
nice to be that way because people who are obviously not elite feel even less
than what they are, and are generally offended.  So what if it's not politicallycorrect?  It's elitist.

The Panther!
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: vo vo vo vo cal
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:44:40 GMT
 <1992Sep28.154045.3932@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1ac5stINNi3u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

>    This is true now.  Back when Permanent Waves was recorded, the band sat
> in a studio and played the songs as a band.  (See the "Limelight" video.)
> No multi-track overdub ultra-mix post production.  Played together.  I wish
> they still did things that way, but they're the ones making the music, so
> I guess they can do whatever the Hell they want.
> 
> 		-EMeyer
> 

	I recall an interview with Geddy where he said that he USED to get
all worked up about going in to sing lyrics.  At the time of the interview
(p/g era?), he said he was getting to the point where lyrics were much less
stressful.  I took this to mean that he'd been recording lyrics and bass
separately for quite some time, if not always.  Regarding the Limelight video,
that's simply a video, and not necessarily their recording of the song.
Correct?


Thomas Beaudoin
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Rheostatics
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:42:02 EDT

I recently ordered the album _Whale Music_ by the Rheostatics. Neil plays on
two tracks of this album (it's a Toronto band). I really like the album, but
it absolutely nothing like Rush. It's kind of Pink Floyd--REM--Toad the Wet
Sprocket. The lyrics are good, funny in an eclectic sort of way. Neil arranges
and plays percussion on one track and is featured on the other. His solo is
really cool, if short.
 
All in all, this album is worth getting if you're into this kind of music--I
associate the genre with college students. Also, if you're a total Rush freak
and have to have everything Neil's ever played. Otherwise it's probably not
worth it. If anyone's interested, mail me for the phone number of the
distributor (I don't have it around my terminal).
 
I'm not sure how legal it would be for me to post a willingness to copy the
requisite tracks for interested parties, so I won't mention that.
 
Later.
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Misprints
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:08:13 GMT

 I may be wrong, and If I am, I'm sure I'll hear it, but isn't the original
 headline the _Chicago_Tribune_'s "Dewey Defeats Truman"?  I hear that the
 paper brought legal action against the band for this and that is why it is
 blanked out.  Any comments?


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From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Piano in Rush songs?
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:55:28 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:

> In article <1687291A8.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Ed
> 
>    What Rush songs use piano--real honest-to-God ebony and ivory--and who pla
>    it? On PeW "The Spirit of Radio" and "Different Strings". Hugh Syme gets
>    credit for "Different Strings", but not "SOR".
> 
> You forgot the most beautiful: Available Light. Is there anyone else, by
> the way, who thinks that the "play of light, a photograph <...> or the
> colors shine too bright" part of Available Light is the most emotional
> (and beautiful) piece of music Rush have ever done? Alex's guitar is SO
> damn beautiful in there, as is everything else.

"Available Light" was the first song I heard, by Rush, and it was so 
beautiful... One of the most emotional lines, to me, is "...the way I 
used to be; some half forgotten stranger doesn't mean that much to me."
...a memory too far gone to care... I've also always loved the line 
"In the canyons of the city, you can hear the buildings cry..." I think I 
know what he meant, but I don't think I could know for sure unless I 
asked him! :-) A friend of mine came into town over the summer, and I 
introduced her to the _Presto_ album. As a result, we ended up listening 
to "Available Light" over and over and over... I really miss her, and 
that song just brings back all the memories. Memories that /do/ mean a 
lot to me.
  As for piano... I can't think of any others off hand. I have heard that 
Geddy Lee has been taking piano lessons, but they're going really slow 
due to the normal stresses of a professional musician's life. I forget 
who they said did the piano on "Availabel Light". But I do hope to hear 
more true piano. (Is anyone else getting this image of a grand piano, 
center stage...?)
                               Just my own two cents... maybe three...
                                      --The Vortex of Force Ten
                                        (Niki LeBoeuf)
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:49:46 GMT

In <1asanaINNb0d@bigboote.WPI.EDU> suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson) writes:

>This is in reference to the confusion about the pentagram.  A five pointed
>star, usually inscribed in a circle, is known as a pentgram, only when one
>of the points is up.  The pentagram is a symbol representing the five senses,
>the five elements(earth, air, fire, water, and Akasha, an omnipresent
>spiritual power), the hand, or the human body.  It has been used as a
>protective symbol since the days of Babylon.  I feel that Rush's use of the
>pentagram isn't a spiritual one, but rather a uniting of the senses.    
>Anyone else have any ideas?

Well, in relation to the album 2112, the star is the Red Star of the Solar
Federation, the people in control, and the nude man is the main character.
The image, and the album itself, is about Man vs. State.  It seems to me
that the man is trying to shield himself from the scrutiny of the Red Star
(hence his nudity).  If you recall, the Temples of Syrinx (which I assume is
a local governing body for the Red Star) were in full control of everyone's
lives.

NOTE: the star is *NOT* a pentagram.  Look at it again.  No lines cross.  It
is an open star within a circle.


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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Hip! Hip! Hooray!
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:35:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1OCT199218371840@elroy.uh.edu> inde7lo@elroy.uh.edu (Bob Abraham) writes:

>And to Gregg:  Unless you're N. Peart's brother or Alex's illigitimate
>son, don't claim to have the answers to all of Rush's mysteries.  You
>have every right to post your opinions, but you state them as if you
>are a faultless authority, with gobs of inside information. 

I have never stated anything like I was a `faultless authority'
nor have I claimed to have the answers to all of Rush's mysteries
(sacrilege, I suppose?)

I state opinions with confidence because I base them on something,
unlike some posts I've seen. And I have never presented anything 
by citing `gobs of inside information.' Any information I use to 
support my claims I cite, most of it from interviews, unlike 
some posts here which mention personal letters which are not 
available to the public (not that I'd mind seeing some transcribed :) ). 



Gregg 



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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush trivia
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:47:46 -0700

"Andy Fulton, talking to All, said about 'Rush trivia' ":
___--------------------------------------------------------------------------

>In article <716542772.F00006@therose.pdx.com>
>Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
>writes:
>>    I was hoping to see a little more Rush trivia (IS anything about
>>Rush trivial?!) sharing here.  Does no one have anything factual to
>>share??  I have some stuff I obtained from a Canadian BBS, if anyone's
>>interested.  For starters, their real names:
>>
>>Neil Peart   - Neil Peart
>>Geddy Lee    - Gary Lee Weinrib

>I thought his birthname was Gary Leibovitch... But I'm not sure.  My source
>is Rock & Roll Comics #49.  ("Rush - Ex-poseurs" by Jay Allen Sanford)
>Anyone else got this issue?

    Leibovitch? Hmm...never heard of that one. Rock & Roll Comics isn't
exactly a viable source for accurate info. But they finally made one of
Rush, eh? Hmm...I'll have to look into getting that issue, if for nothing
else the collectability of it.
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From: JAC142@psuvm.psu.edu (Crocodile Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: "The Story of Kings"
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:50:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

HEY, JEFF!!!     NICE NAME!!!!!!

Yeah.   In any case, I had found that cd about 3 weeks ago, and, subsequently,
bought it.  Interested in it before I had a chance to play it, I posted some-
thing here to the effect if anyone else had heard it.  The only response I
got back was someone saying, "Go Penn State!"  ::)
But, seeing that your interested, ::), umm, it's an interview with Alex,
taking place, I presume, just after the _HYF_ album came out.  He was talking
about being excited with it and they were comparing it to _GUP_, _S_, and
_PoW_.  It kind of sounds like it was taken place over dinner, too... ::)
Whatever.  But, that's about the jist of the album!  (BTW, it's just over
half an hour long.)

Catch ya later,
     Jeff Cooper  jac142@psuvm.psu.edu

P.S.  You could have bought it for $10.99???!!!???
      I got hosed for $13.00!!!!!!!      ::)
From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Misprints
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:21:03 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

Regarding the 'The Spirit of Radio' misprints, I have a copy of PermW where
the lyrics to Freewill appear to be incorrect. I am sure Geddy sings

	"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

This is printed as 

	"If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice" 

It's true, I swear :-) Doesn't even SCAN!!!

Maybe this has been done to death in a previous life^H^H^H^Hthread.
This is also a copy with the newspaper headlines blanked out.

-dave

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From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu 
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Originator: jlwoodal@c00026-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Solar Federation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:28:07 GMT



>|> I have noticed that in the last two shows I went to (one of which was 
>|> front-row, six seats off center in front of Geddy) the band doesn't seem to 
>|> carry the energy they once had.  It's the same every time, same bouncing 
>|> bunnies, same laser show, same "Thank you, good night, hope to see you 
>|> again."  This isn't to say that I don't enjoy the concerts, but when 
>|> compared to other bands, Rush simply doesn't have the same energy. 
>
>What kind of energy are you talking about?  Do you think Geddy should do 
>those split jumps (what David Lee Roth of Van Halen fame) used to do to get
>the crowd energized?  Can't you appreciate the infamous one-legged hop Geddy
>does across the stage?  Think about it, how could Geddy sing, play bass and
>synthesizer, do the pedals AND move around on stage and act like an
>idiot?  What about Neil then?  I think his drumstick tosses are way cool,
>doesn't that get the crowd going?


Woahh....  You're still stuck in the age of Pre-Midi, pal.
The synth and old "Bass Pedals" have been replaced by a Macintosh.
Well ok, Ged still plays synth every once in a while, but the pedals
are gone.