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From: qasama@lagrange.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: RULES??
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:32:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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Reply-To: qasama@banach.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
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I am an American and I am curious if someone who knows the rules of Aussie Ball
could post them.
				thanks
					John
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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Ive got the Sydney blues.
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.063535.1609@trl.oz.au>, gmathers@trl.oz.au (Geoff Mathers) writes:
|> I am a Carlton supporter and I cant help wondering what
|> John Elliot and the boys are up to with there proposal to
|> play only away games in Sydney, and get rid of the swans.
|> For the short term, Carlton will pick up a few more players
|> (Barry Mitchel & co), and will avoid playing West coast in perth.
|> But seriuosly, how long do you think playing away games in sydney will
|> last? To me its just a temporary measure so that Carlton will get
|> a few good players, but in three years time, they'll decide to come
|> back to melbourne and who's going to stop them? nobody.
|> 
|> So if this plan goes ahead, then the future has Carlton improving
|> for the next few years, and then no more sydney games at all. The
|> Swans will be absorbed, and we wont have a bye anymore.
|> 
|> Now that I think about it, it sounds like a bloody good idea.


Ha!  If Carlton is making money out of playing in Sydney, you won't be
able to pry them out of the SCG with a crowbar.

Think of it as a foot in the door to voluntarily move Carlton to Sydney
permanently as their home ground.  No way?  If any team would sell out,
Carlton would.
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From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: Re: Final loc'n (was: Congratulations Eagles)
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:29:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.120146.13126@phillip.edu.au>, t9014192@phillip.edu.au writes:
> 
> 
> > In article <justin.717810423@tasman> justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge) writes:
> > 
> >
> >1) Channel 7 are a joke... well, their commentators anyway.  Most people
> >   that I know watch the TV with the sound turned down and listen to 3LO.
> >   Bring back the ABC!
> > 
> >JC
> 
>         3LO are crap. They are so biased towards Collingwood 
>       its not funny.
>    
>         Lane & Booth are up themselves, Alves takes things way 
>       too seriously and Crackers Keenan is a dickhead (he also
>       HATES Kevin Sheedy & Ess.).
>       
>         I'd rather listen to Sandy Roberts and Dennis Commetti
>       any day.
>     
>         Better still, switch on Uncle REX!
> 
>     
>        GP
> 
> 

Well - those fine arguements have certainly swayed my opinion.  
Who is the dickhead?

Seano
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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:23:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.061832.26133@mel.dit.csiro.au>, mwr@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Mark Rawling) writes:
|> 
|> How about having the Swans play home games in Sydney (mainly) , Darwin,
|> Hobart and Canberra to give these other cities a go without any
|> commitment for license fees, relocation, etc. The response would help
|> determine future directions for the AFL, since no one else is going to
|> give up home games on a regular enough basis, not to all these different
|> cities anyway (cf Fitzroy -- Tasi).

I, for one, would love to see a NT team play, but I don't think NT could
support a team.  A mostly black team would certainly have an interesting
style of play, wouldn't you think?  At least it wouldn't lack pace.
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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Sydney Swansong
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:44:01 GMT

BROWN ADRIAN (broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au) wrote:
> 	Front page of 'The Age' this morning, 12 Oct 92 was an article
> announcing the vote of the other clubs on Wednesday on wether to give
> the Swans the financial help they request. If they vote no, as expected,
> the Sydney consortium headed by Mike Willisee will back out of there arrangement
> with the Swans, and they shall make an exit from the AFL.
> 	It was mentioned that if this happens, the AFL are considering
> backup plans, including Carlton playing it's away games at the SCG.

As Alan McAlastair (sp?) pointed out this morning on 3AW, this effectively
gives Carlton 22 home games a year. I don't think the other teams will
appreciate that and as a Carlton (22 game concession) member, I'd be a
little pissed off.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
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From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: Re: Final loc'n (was: Congratulations Eagles)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:00:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.120146.13126@phillip.edu.au> t9014192@phillip.edu.au writes:
>> In article <justin.717810423@tasman> justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge) writes:
>> 
>>
>>1) Channel 7 are a joke... well, their commentators anyway.  Most people
>>   that I know watch the TV with the sound turned down and listen to 3LO.
>>   Bring back the ABC!
>> 
>>JC
>
>        3LO are crap. They are so biased towards Collingwood 
>      its not funny.
>   
>        Lane & Booth are up themselves, Alves takes things way 
>      too seriously and Crackers Keenan is a dickhead (he also
>      HATES Kevin Sheedy & Ess.).
>      
>        I'd rather listen to Sandy Roberts and Dennis Commetti
>      any day.
>    
>        Better still, switch on Uncle REX!

REX HUNT????!!!! There are more cliches in 3AW's football show than if you
combine every single sports show around the world!!!!
So what if 3LO are biased towards Collingwood. As long as your team doesn't
play Collingwood it doesn't matter anyway! Besides, who would listen to 
a Collingwood match unless their team is playing them or it's the only 
match for the day!? Anyway, at last there's a new radio station to listen
to in Melbourne: 3EE.

Andrew
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From: gmathers@trl.oz.au (Geoff Mathers)
Subject: Ive got the Sydney blues.
Reply-To: gmathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:35:35 GMT

I am a Carlton supporter and I cant help wondering what
John Elliot and the boys are up to with there proposal to
play only away games in Sydney, and get rid of the swans.
For the short term, Carlton will pick up a few more players
(Barry Mitchel & co), and will avoid playing West coast in perth.
But seriuosly, how long do you think playing away games in sydney will
last? To me its just a temporary measure so that Carlton will get
a few good players, but in three years time, they'll decide to come
back to melbourne and who's going to stop them? nobody.

So if this plan goes ahead, then the future has Carlton improving
for the next few years, and then no more sydney games at all. The
Swans will be absorbed, and we wont have a bye anymore.

Now that I think about it, it sounds like a bloody good idea.


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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: VFA Expansion?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:34:54 GMT

AJP@buc.edu.au (Alan Penhall) writes:

>There are alot of rumours about concerning the possible expansion of the
>VFA. They tend to be about new teams ( from Ballarat, Bendigo, Latrobe
>Valley, and Albury/Wodonga ) joining the competition next year or the year
>after. Does anyone know anything that could substantiate any of these?

>Here in Ballarat the rumour is that the North Ballarat Football is interested
>in joining the VFA if the fee is lowered. North won last years premiership,
>all their games this year and this year's Grandfinal (by over 100 points);
>as well as playing in the ~Premiers Cup~. Most people in Ballarat would be
>happy to see them go so that the BFL competition could become more even.

Here in the Latrobe Valley there has hardly been a thing on it, although
hopefully Traralgon will leave to make our comp more even, they seem like
north Ballarat, won last year by over 100 points, makes 3 flags in a row, and
have only missed 2 finals series in the last 38 years, makes Hawthorns reign
of the 80's seem small.

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From: ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au (Pugs)
Subject: Re: SANFL news
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:27:21 GMT

In <1992Oct6.014107.4792@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar) writes:
>Crow player Darel Hart has been appointed playing coach of North Adelaide.

That's very interesting ... I wouldn't think that a full-time AFL player
would have the time available to take on the role of coach of a SANFL
side, let alone playing coach. For a start, what happens if there is a 
clash between a Crows game and a North Adelaide game? Does anyone have
any info on this, and whether any other AFL/VFL players have done similar
things in the past?

P.S. Being an avid Eagles supporter ... WWHHHIIIIIINNNNNEEE !!!
      ( That's Perth-ian for "We've got the cup, hahahahahahaha")

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From: ford_c@cs.uwa.oz.au (Pugs)
Subject: Re: Eagle parade
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:41:25 GMT

In <1992Oct6.232249.23975@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1071828@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Matthew Long) writes:
>   Fuck up wanker, and take your hand off your tossil. Where were all you
>   Whining eagle supporters at the start of the year when you wrer near the
>   bottom? If the Eagles win the next two in a row they will be a good team,
>   until then, they are just a bunch of wankers who got the whole of W.A to
>   recruit from for 4 - 5 years, and still would not have won the flag if it
>   were not for Collingwood (my team) dopily losing and giving the Eagles the
>   double chance.

Well, another intelligent comment from another intelligent Collingwood
supporter. And you people say us Eagles supporters whine. If it takes
3 premierships in a row to become "a good team", so be it. (Mind you,
that makes any team which can't win ONE flag in THIRTY-TWO YEARS look
like a fungus off a fly-blown sheep's arse.) 
       Poor Colliwobbles ....
 (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

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From: harsant@margana.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Final loc'n (was: Congratulations Eagles)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.120146.13126@phillip.edu.au> t9014192@phillip.edu.au writes:
>
>      too seriously and Crackers Keenan is a dickhead (he also
>      HATES Kevin Sheedy & Ess.).

Obviously not a complete dickhead.

--
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Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:58:18 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation


 eda961asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony):
>Well, I think that the AFL should not have started from the VFL.  That way,
>each state could have one or two sides that could select from their WHOLE
>state.  That would be a truely national competition. Those peole who say that
>Melbourne sees itself as bigger than the game should think about the 
>huge concession the interstate sides have by choosing from the whole state.

Sorry, this is wrong. All "interstate" sides (another term indicating that
Melbourne sees itself as better than the rest) have to pick players via the
draft, from the whole of Australia, just as any other club. The Weagles, for
example, do not have first rights to anyone west of the Nullaboar, and
similarly a Western Australian footballer has no say in who he plays for in the
AFL. Given that the draft is in place, this is the right way to go, else we
would have a Crows v. Eagles grand final each year (excellent! :-) ), but of
course, there should not be a draft at all.

While I'm here, my plan for the national comp. would be:
1. Move the Swans to Canberra, where at least there is a following for footy.

2. Play a (decent) game each week in Sydney, to try and get a bit of enthusiasm
for the game over there. Surely people would rather see Hawks v. Carlton than
Sydney v. Fitzroy. This would be with an eye to improving the local
participation in footy, the quality of players, and the quality of their local
comp. Then, many years down the track, they might be ready to form their own
team.

3. Merge two of the struggling (in terms of finances and supporter base)
Melbourne clubs and move them to Tassie. The Two-headers will give huge support
to any AFL team down there. The merge will result in a 14 team comp - no bye.
Relocating a successful club such as Collingwood or Hawthorn is not on, as this
would alienate too many supporters, and take away one of the leagues strong
points. Leave the successful clubs alone to continue being successful.

bye

David Mudge
mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
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From: eda961asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.225422.22261@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis) writes:

> It seems to me that the quickest, and most positive way in which this
> can be achieved is for some of the existing Melbourne based teams to be
> relocated. Given that the new teams have to be successfull frm day one,
> only those teams which can command large followings should be relocated.
> 
> My proposal is therefore to relocate the following teams:
> 
> Carlton      ---->      Canberra
> Collingwood  ---->      Sydney  incorporating the Swans
> Hawthorn     ---->      Brisbane  incorporating the Bears
> Fitzroy      ---->      Tasmania and add a number of          
>                         Victorian based Tasmanians to the squad
> 
> A restructuring of the AFL along these lines would provide a **TRUELY**
> national competition with competetive teams from all states and hence
> large crowds would be assured in Sydney, Brisbane and Canberra etc.
> Melbourne supporters of these clubs woud be able to see them every other
> week when they played in Melbourne.
> 
See them play who every other week?
They would then be playing in Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, Tasmania, Adelaide,
Perth, and would play in Melbourne only against Richmond, St.Kilda, North,
Geelong (is this Melbourne?), Footscray, Melbourne and Essendon.

Take into consideration that they would probably play 6 home games, and then
work it out.  In actual fact Melbourne based supporters would see their teams
play once every three weeks.  Now thats really fair.

                                                    
> The probable forthcoming demise of the Swans makes a restructuring of
> the AFL more important. And the parochial utterings coming from
> Melbourne indicate that Melbourne stills sees itself as bigger than the
> game!!
> 
> 
Well, I think that the AFL should not have started from the VFL.  That way,
each state could have one or two sides that could select from their WHOLE
state.  That would be a truely national competition. Those peole who say that
Melbourne sees itself as bigger than the game should think about the 
huge concession the interstate sides have by choosing from the whole state.
  However, this is the system we have, and the Melbourne sides must put up with
it, so why don't you interstaters also realise that no Victorian based club is
going to move unless it is a last resort.                                                  



> That leaves a thirteen team competition. To do away with the bye, either
> two existing Melbourne teams need tobe amalgamated to form one stronger
> team or another team outside Melbourne has to be found. 
> 
Thus reducing the number of games Melbourne based supporters can see by one
more.


All in all, quite an unrealistic suggestion.

Anthony.
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:12:26 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
: 
: Slightly off the subject, but what is the plural of throw-in?  I
: remember reading it in the Sunday Age a couple of weeks ago as
: "throw-ins" but shouldn't it be "throws-in"?  (Compare with the
: plural of mother-in-law:  mothers-in-law).
: 
: 
:
	I think footballers commentaters are above pluralacality

	(wouldnt it best to look at your abletts, and dunstalls
	and that kind of thing before worring about the genuinely
	dubious cases.)
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Final loc'n (was: Congratulations Eagles)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:01:46 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


> In article <justin.717810423@tasman> justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge) writes:
> 
>
>1) Channel 7 are a joke... well, their commentators anyway.  Most people
>   that I know watch the TV with the sound turned down and listen to 3LO.
>   Bring back the ABC!
> 
>JC

        3LO are crap. They are so biased towards Collingwood 
      its not funny.
   
        Lane & Booth are up themselves, Alves takes things way 
      too seriously and Crackers Keenan is a dickhead (he also
      HATES Kevin Sheedy & Ess.).
      
        I'd rather listen to Sandy Roberts and Dennis Commetti
      any day.
    
        Better still, switch on Uncle REX!

    
       GP
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: RE:Sydney
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:11:21 GMT
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

In article <AJP.13.719042251@buc.edu.au>, AJP@buc.edu.au (Alan Penhall) writes:
|> Shift the Sydney (South Melbourne) Swans to Tasmania. Change the name of the 
|> team to the Southern Swans and play their games in Hobart. I believe that
|> the Tassie State Government has expressed an interest in some form of 
|> subsidy to any team that would take up residence in the state because the 
|> AFL has led Tasmanians to believe that relocation would be the only way
|> to get a team.

The only way a team is going to thrive interstate is if it can attract a
large and loyal following, no matter how much money is injected into the
coffers initially.  I'm not sure that Tassie could offer enough support
to keep a national-league team going.  I mean, how many Tasmanians are
there?
From: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Subject: Re: No reports from GF??
Reply-To: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
	<1992Oct6.133307.17715@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:51:03 GMT

Guy> BTW, no-one has actually posted the details yet for those of us not in Oz.
Guy> Did Ablett get reported?  And if so, was he suspended?

There were no reports from the Grand Final.

"If you can't take an elbow to the jaw, you don't belong out there."
	-- Rampaging Roy Slaven, JJJ, on the incident

After all, if Osborne can have his jaw broken and there's no report...  8-)

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Dept of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia
From: iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: future of AFL
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:54:22 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia


Well now that season 92 is over, and congratulations to the Eagles, the
time has come to look at the future of the AFL.


There are a number of non viable teams in the national competition. For
the competition to become truely national, there must be **GOOD** teams
outside Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

For the game to become truly national, I believe there must be teams
from Canberra and Tasmania added to the competition. And these teams
must be competative from day one. Further the teams from Sydney and
Brisbane must become competative.

It seems to me that the quickest, and most positive way in which this
can be achieved is for some of the existing Melbourne based teams to be
relocated. Given that the new teams have to be successfull frm day one,
only those teams which can command large followings should be relocated.

My proposal is therefore to relocate the following teams:

Carlton      ---->      Canberra
Collingwood  ---->      Sydney  incorporating the Swans
Hawthorn     ---->      Brisbane  incorporating the Bears
Fitzroy      ---->      Tasmania and add a number of          
                        Victorian based Tasmanians to the squad

A restructuring of the AFL along these lines would provide a **TRUELY**
national competition with competetive teams from all states and hence
large crowds would be assured in Sydney, Brisbane and Canberra etc.
Melbourne supporters of these clubs woud be able to see them every other
week when they played in Melbourne.

The probable forthcoming demise of the Swans makes a restructuring of
the AFL more important. And the parochial utterings coming from
Melbourne indicate that Melbourne stills sees itself as bigger than the
game!!


That leaves a thirteen team competition. To do away with the bye, either
two existing Melbourne teams need tobe amalgamated to form one stronger
team or another team outside Melbourne has to be found. 

Ian
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