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From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:22:23 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson) writes:

> Actually, I believe that the meat and milk must be from a kosher
> animal, but not necessarily one which was slaughtered properly.  Thus,
> eating a ham and (kosher) cheese sandwich would involve one
> prohibition, while wating a (treif) beef cheeseburger would involve
> two (treif beef and milk & meat).  Also note that the act of cooking
> milk and meat together is also forbidden, as is getting any benefit
> from the combination at all (so you can't even sell it to a non-Jew).
-----
Isn't there some kal v'homer that if one is disregarding the
laws of kashrut enough to eat a treif hamburger, then why
quibble about the cheese on top?

While the argument is an interesting one, the real issue is
the intent of the Jew.  If the Jew is not of a holy mind while
sitting at the table, then it makes no difference if s/he
violates one or a hundred mitzvot, the true sin is in the intent,
not the details.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
From: sffcu@cuais01.cc.columbia.edu (Stew Feuerstein)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:36:29 GMT

>On Thu, 07 Jan 93 03:42:03 GMT, jle@locus.com (John Elghani) said:
>
>J> You know that the Arabs are killing other israeli agent arabs;
>J> arabs that support the oppressor whom is the initial problem.
>
>J> There philosophy stands as follow:  By eliminating collaborators,
>J> you can have a better resistance against the aggressor, occupier,
>J> or oppressor.  
>
    I guess, the extreme right (Kach etc...) would be justified in killing
all the Peace Now leaders who have spoken to the PLO as 'collaborators'.  
Perhaps these Arab collaborators see the Hamas extremists as the problem 
not the Israeli 'oppressors'.  Maybe they feel that the only chance for 
peace is to eliminate the extremists who only want war and destruction.  

    Let's try to extend this 'justified killing' scenario to our home 
front.  Black's in the US are clearly 'oppressed'.  They are clearly a 
majority in most big cities.  Their neighborhoods do not get the same 
resources that white neighborhoods get.  The goverment prevents them from 
getting a good education.  Their children die on the streets, due to 
drug related shooting.  The drugs are brought in by mostly white large 
scale dealers.  The police do little to protect them.  They have little say 
in their local goverments, except in places like East St. Louis, where 
businesses have all pulled out and their is no money left to fund 
anything.  I guess they should start throwing rocks, molotov cocktails and 
block off streets and burn tires.  This way they can alert the world to  
their oppression by whites.  Then they should start killing off the 
collaborators: Mayor David Dinkins, Bryant Gumbel, Arsenio Hall, Oprah 
Winfrey, Bill Cosby etc...  Do you think this will help their cause?  What 
do you think white america would do?  What would you do?

				-Stew
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:17:09 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan6.184642.4280@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) writes:
>
>If another Jew will occupy the house, the mezuzot should be left.  You are
>allowed to charge the new occupant for them.  You certainly can take the
>mezuzah covers with you.  Many of ours were also gifts or bought by us in
>Jerusalem. The mezuzah is the parchment.

This leads to another question.  If the house is sold to non-Jews,
should the mezuzot be removed?  I ask because one friend's house
(non-Jewish) has mezuzot on the doors from the previous occupants, and
this struck me as rather odd.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:36:21 GMT

In article <1is34uINNg4b@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
|> 
|> in short, Mr. Aziz, what archaeology books do you read ?

The old Testament.
 
|> 
|> BTW, do you still beleive in ASHTORET ?

No, I beleive in Menat.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: A new name for Goyim
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:49:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.230635.3486@nmsu.edu> chlewis@dante.nmsu.edu (LEWIS) writes:
>
>I propose that we should stop with this tomfoolery about " Jews for Jesus"
>and call these persons what they should be called--Goyim for Jesus!

This hardly seems fair to me. "Goyim for Jesus" accurately describes
all Christians of non-Jewish descent; arguably, it also describes
goyim of other faiths (such as Islam, Baha'i, others) that honor Jesus
of Nazareth. However mistaken these faiths may be about some factual
and theological details, they still deserve some respect. I know many
adherents of these faiths who are good and moral people who do not
deserve to be conflated with the J4J types (who are invariably
obnoxious asses).

I generally refer to the J4Js as "Yids for Yashke."
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lise@kepler.cc.bellcore.com (romanov,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:58:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.220442.154@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>But wouldn't she have at least one period during that 66-day span?
>Wouldn't that make her tme'ah just as usual?
>
>
Nursing women do not resume menstruation immediately, often not until after
they have weaned the baby.  Even if a woman is not lactating, her cycle 
doesn't even out for a while.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:02:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.023123.15054@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <RLK.92Dec29084720@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.225623.1118@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>   Not because they acquitted him, but because they ignored the
>>   considerable evidence against him.  The minority jury threw out
>>   testimony and evidence from several divisions of the NYPD, testimony
>>   from the EMS crews at the scene and the ID by the victim himself.
>>   Yup, they were racist/biased/stupid, perhaps even all three.  And this
>>   kind of ridiculous acquittal won't have been the first one.

>>At most, all they had to do was find reasonable doubts about that
>>testimony, not that it was wrong.

>Some outsiders, like Governor Cuomo and the police who testify
>regularly in criminal cases, were quite disturbed by the ability of
>some juries to discount straightforward testimony as "Reasonably
>Doubtful".  Other outsiders, like Mayor Dinkins, simply shrugged it
>off and said that the verdict should be accepted as legal and binding,
>with no further question.

Yes, police are always disturbed when someone they arrest is acquitted.  So?
What does that prove?  

And I'm not aware that Cuomo was in the courtroom, either.

The verdict *is* legal and binding.

>Considering wild and ridiculous theories as "reasonable" explanations
>that will cast doubt on clear evidence is becoming more common among
>some juries.  The Kahane/Nosair case was quite remarkable in this
>respect.  It took the Rosenbaum/Nelson case to wake people up to
>recognize a trend emerging.

But, of course, the jury didn't consider a wild and ridiculous theory as
reasonable.  They simply found that the prosecution's theory wasn't proved
beyond a reasonable doubt.

You keep making this claim, but unless you were in the jury room at the
time of the deliberations, it's completely unsubstantiated. 
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: sgard@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (sanford.gardner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Summary: some more names and background comments
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:36:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <4135@randvax.rand.org>, talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy) writes:
> 
> Well, let's see---there's Bob Dylan, Herb Alpert, I think Springstein, and
> 
> don't forget Sammy Davis Jr.!
>

Got this from an article in my kid's Kadima magazine.
 
  Sorry, Sringsteen is NOT Jewish!  His drummer, Max Weinberg is, though.

  Also, Ringo Starr, who was called the 'Jewish Beatle' is not.

Now for those who are Jewish.....

Barbara Streisand
Paul Simon  and Art Garfunkel
Neil Diamond
Barry Manilow
Some of the members of Sha-Na-Na (names not listed)
Marvin Hamlisch
Bette Midler
Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman)
Carly Simon
Carole King
Herb Alpert
Jay Beckenstein of Spyrogyra
Rob Delesner & Bill Graham - Promoters
Brian Epstein - Beatles Manager
Linda Eastman - Wings (Wife of Paul McCartney)
Jean Simmons & Paul Stanley - KISS
Peter Wolf - J. Geils Band
Peter Frieberg - Jefferson Starship
Billy Joel
Mick Jagger (followed by the comment that the mother's religion
             detemines that of the child)

Sorry about the repeats, but I've been away and missed some of the
the other articles on this subject.

Sanford Gardner
AT&T Bell LAbs
Murray Hill, NJ   (908) 582-6046       sgard@mhnmc.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jls@mbunix.mitre.org (Segal)
Subject: The Spelling of the "Festival of Lights"
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:38:46 GMT

To determine a correct spelling for the "Festival of Lights" requires
a set of transliteration rules.  The big problem is that there is no
single system.

Phonetically, the het, is more of a breathy 'h' as opposed to the
chof which is more of a gutteral.  Best way to represent it is by an 'h'
with a dot under it, but since most typewriters don't have that capability,
one must make the decision between 'h' and 'ch'.  The argument for 'h'
is that it is more accurate.  The argument for 'ch' is that since there
is no 'ch' (as in 'ch'ildren) in Hebrew, the 'ch' becomes unambiguous.
(Except as affectation, I have never seen 'kh' used in this context.)

The chataf-patach under the het is universally transliterated as 'a'.

The nun with no dagesh would imply that a single 'n' would be correct.
However, doubling the 'n' assures that the reader of the word would
properly pronounce the preceding 'a' as short 'a'.  Hence, we see both.

The kubutz under the nun is unambiguously transliterated as 'u' (very
rarely, I've seen 'oo'.)  However, the pronunciation is not.  Most of
the Ashkenazi readers pronounce the kubutz as long 'u', whereas most
of the Sephardic readers pronounce it as short 'u'.

The kof has a dagesh in it.  As a result, it should be a double c or
a double k.  Most prefer 'k' to 'c' because it is unambiguous.  Those
who prefer simplicity will use a single 'k' or 'c'.  My opinion is
that doubling the 'n' without doubling the 'c' or 'k' is a wrong
spelling, because it ignores both the rules of transliteration and
standard English pronunciation.

The vowel under the kof is a kametz.  The kamatz is transliterated
as 'a' or 'ah' by most sephardic speakers, but as 'o' or 'oh' by
the mainstream Ashkenazi pronouncers.

Using Sephardic pronunciation and the most common transliteration
rules, I would suggest the best spelling is Hanukka(h).  Using 
the best English rules, I would suggest the best spelling is Chanuka(h).

Joshua L. Segal <jls@mbunix.mitre.org>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:15:57 GMT

In article <1ipaa6INNstr@titan.ucc.umass.edu>, shmueli@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Avinoam Shmueli) writes:
> 
> Do you like East Asians because they are good with numbers?

Huh - they aren't particularly - only the Chinese.  

> Would you grant peoples who are not good with numbers the right to a homeland?

Having just demonstrated that someone (me) with a PhD in physics isn't
so great with numbers that he cannot make an elementary mistake over
the phase of the moon and variation with latitude, I'm hardly in a position
to deny a homeland to those who aren't good with numbers!

> Would you consider liking peoples or races who are not good with numbers
> but who like hot food?

I thought for a moment that I detected a note of sarcasm in the above.

> Do you think we should conduct math and culinary examination in order to
> decide whether people have a right to a homeland, or perhaps we should
> go straight for skeletal and skull-o-metric study in order to get exact 
> analysis of their racial tendencies at a fraction of the cost?
> 
And again, if I'm not mistaken.

> Suppose we split the German people into many small states or let them
> live (enlightened us!) under French, Polish, Russian, etc. rule.
> After how many generations, (assuming they spice up their pork sausages)
> can they be allowed to have their own state to be good with numbers at?
> 
The answer is never again.

> Do you think the Quebecois deserve autonomy, considering how un-hot most
> Table d'Hote soups they serve up there are?

I'm all for it - I quite understand how the Quebecois feel about the
anglophones in Canada, as I feel much the same way myself.  The French
Canadians have a rich culture and heritage that has been systematically
worn away by the mediocrity of the Anglophones way of life.
> -- 
Laurence
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Information on Jewish activity in Hong Kong and Singapore wanted
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:59:33 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU MADDISON David writes:
[DM] I would like to find out what sort of Jewish community activity occurs in
[DM] both Hong Kong and Singapore. I know there are shules in both places. 
[DM] Presumeably there is a lot of young professionals in these parts and that 
[DM] would imply a good "singles scene". Any help or comments would be 
[DM] appreciated.

I can only speak about Hong Kong as I've not been yet to Singapore.

Hong Kong has 4 minyans. A Chabad minyan held at the Hilton Hotel, 2 minyans
held at the local JCC (one sefardi, one ashkenazi) and a reform Minyan held
in a Chinese movie theater. The main shul in Hong Kong was built in 1880 or 
1890.

The Hong Kong Jewish community flourished after the Jews of Shanghai had
left Shanghai. In the beginning the community was mostly formed of Iraqi and
Syrian Jews, the Kaddoris, the Sassoons etc were the main activists.
In Hong Kong, just like in Tokyo, most of the Jewish Community comprises
of people being sent there by their companies to work for a limited number
of years (between 3 to 5). If you are looking for single Jewish women there
are a few but the majority of the community are young men.
Until a few ago, companies would send families to the far-east, but due to
bad economic times it is cheaper to send an unmarried young professional.

Singapore also has two Shuls. The Singapore Community was also formed
by Iraqi and Syrian Jews at the beginning of this century.

Since the original poster was from Melbourne Australia, I advise him
to Contact Mrs. Pearl Lipshut at the Australian Institute of Jewish
Affairs in Melbourne.

Tsiel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.folklore.urban
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: article regarding kidnapping at disney world
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:12:21 GMT

In article <C0rJ77.ALC@csn.org> dstang@teal.csn.org (Dan Stanger) writes:
>a few days ago someone posted a article regarding a israely
>couple whose children were kidnapped at disney world.
>i am interested in getting a copy of the article which
>disappeared from the machine and also any other information
>regarding this.
>please email me at dxs@evolving.com.
>thank you,
>dan stanger

I don't recall any such article appearing in this newsgroup, but
I can tell you there are a lot of urban legends out there floating
around about children getting kidnapped at Disney, and this may be
what you heard.

The children weren't recovered with their hair dyed and wearing
clothes of the opposite sex, were they?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:20:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.170318.852@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

>Shoenberg and Hindemith were both Jews.

shoenberg - yes, hindemith - no.
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
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From: jyanowit@mtholyoke.edu (Jason Yanowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Hypertext Judiasm and other related queries
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:56:22 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

I'm currently taking a Hypercard (a Hypertext program for the Mac) class
and for my final project, I'm going to design a stack on Jewish holidays.
I was wondering if:
a) people could point me to other stacks already made on this or other
"Jewish" subjects.
b) people know of where I can locate a good Hebrew font?
c) does anyone know an alogrithm for converting from a CE calendar day
to a Jewish calendar day?
d) there are any good samples that people could point me to that might
be good to
include (for example, and yes this is frivolous, I'm going to have it so
people can click on a box that says "Why do we do this?" and it will play
the sample "Tradition, tradition!" from Fiddler on the Roof (Tevyeh the
Diaryman to others)?
e) there are other suggestions people might make.

Going against the verbose nature of this newsgroup, I'm going to ask people
to please email there responses to me, and if there seems to be interest,
I'll summarize and post to the net.  Also, if I feel the stack I create is
of sufficient quality, I'll make it publicly available.

thanks to all,
Jason
this account forwards to jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu

ps: finally, the "christmas season" has passed...aah...

-- 

jason
(thhis account forwards to jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu)
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Refuting Xian Missionaries (README)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:54:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <5022@ceylon.gte.com> sg04@gte.com writes:
>They find intellectualizaion and logical reasoning humerous when applied
>to religion. In generally, X-tanity tends to sneer at Mishna, Gemorrah,
>etc. as "mixing in intellectualism" into the beauty of "pure faith". There
>are strong anti-intellectual tendancies in Xtianity. If one tries to use
>such an approach on missionaries, they smile at you as some sort of poor
>lost soul who cannot appreciate pure emotianal love.

Gee, doesn't this sound a lot like the "if it feels good, do it"
attitude of the 60's that got almost all of a generation into
drugs?...
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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher resturants in Phili?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:07:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan6.145603.25158@cbfsb.cb.att.com> disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs) writes:
>My wife and I are going to be spending a few days next week in Philidelphia.
>Any info on Kosher resturants (Location, Hashgacha, Quality) would be real
>appreciated.

In center city, there are 5 kosher restaurants; I believe they are all
certified by the local (Orthodox) Va'ad, although I'm not sure.  The European
Dairy Restaurant is at 20th and Walnut (or around there somewhere), and there
are three Israeli restaurants on 11th and 12th streets: Maccabeam, Jonathan's,
and Shishkabob.  Macabeam is my personal favorite; it's just Israeli food.
Jonathan's has a lot of American food as well; I've never been to Shishkabob.
There's also a "steak house" type place called Shira's around the corner from
Maccabeam on Sansom.

There are also several places in the northeast on Castor Ave.: Dragon Inn
(Chinese), Tiberias Restaurant (Chinese, American, and some other stuff),
Tiberias Cafeteria (a few blocks away -- I think it's a pizza and sandwich
place, but I'm not sure) and a couple others I can't remember.  They're quite
a ways from center city, though.

Oh, there's also a kosher vegetarian Chinese place in Chinatown (on the north
edge of center city), I forget what it's called.

   Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MILLERM@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 06:14:52 EST

In article <C0Cn3o.70y@panix.com>
moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Dec31.150307.17507@panix.com> bri@panix.com (Brian Shanblatt) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec31.002438.978@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>>>
>>>On a more highbrow note, I just learned the other day that Bizet (the
>>>It is rather astonishing how many Jews have been involved in the American
>>>musical theatre.  Aside from the most obvious (Berlin, the Gershwins,
>>>Bernstein, Hammerstein), just offhand I can think of:
>>>Jule Styne
>>>Bob Merrill (actually, I'm not positive about this one)
>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
>>
>>you are correct.  robert merrill is jewish. like jan peerce and richard
>>tucker, he started as a hazzan, and found his way to the opera!
>
>I seem to recall my Dad saying that Robert Merril and Jan Pierce were
>brothers.
>
>
>--
>Len Moskowitz
>moskowit@panix.com
 
Robert Merrill and Jan Peerce were not brothers.  Jan Peerce and Richard
Tucker were brothers-in-law.
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