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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Re: Excluding Single Males)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:47:20 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <lltmn6INN4ad@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>	Of course the idea of suing a club again and again may have that
>club decide to change it's rule -- or shut down.  If it shuts down, and
>there is a demand, then a new club will take its place.  

That's a rather simplistic view of economics. One would think from all
the discussion here (and from all the queries received by clubs) that
there is *already* enough demand to maintain some *additional* clubs
that permit singles.  So why haven't new clubs sprung up to fill this
"void"?  

Truth is, if it shut down you probably would *not* get a new
club in its place.  There is still lots of room for more clubs and
resorts.  Anyone who wants to open one can do it now.  They don't
need to wait for an opening in the market---the openings are already
there.

>:: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::

Of course, but at that point they are *pre-born* men.   :-)
				       
Cheers.  Bill.
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From: jimc@megatek.com (Jim Campbell)
Subject: Re: Field trip and rec.nude BOF at Usenix
Reply-To: jimc@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:30:48 GMT

In article <ak64790@pro-harold.cts.com> rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford) writes:
>Tom, Iam interested in the breakfast and probably the BOF.  By the way,
>what is a BOF?
>-----
>Richard Ford
>ProLine: rford@pro-harold
>Internet: rford@pro-harold.cts.com
>UUCP: crash!pro-harold!rford

OHHHHHH!!!!!

	I KNOW!    I KNOW!!!!


	BOF = Birds Of a Feather!

	SEE?!?!?! I told you I knew!!   Birds of a feather!!


	(What other kind of post would you expect from someone with a sig
	 file that has "Remember to tweet!" in it?)

	I'll probably be at the Swallows and maybe even the breakfast, Richard.

	Tom will probably warn you about me. Some of it might be true....

	:^)


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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Wreck Beach
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:18:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.182109.10536@cheshire.oxy.edu> dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
>> I understand the fear, I understand the reasons, but lets not believe to
>>much of the propoganda ok?  They are no more lower forms of life than 
>>alchohol drinkers, who use a drug that once was illegal and caused a violent
>>black market.
>>
>The difference between drug pushers and real businessmen is that pretty
>much once drug pushers get a customer addicted, they can pretty much
>do whatever they want. They can and do bump up their prices to obscene
>amounts for the addicts, and basically they own the addicts soul. In
>my opinion, anyone who does this for a living is pretty low on the life
>form spectrum, and the idea that they can be defended as being 
>'business people' is ridiculous.

Do you honestly think that legal business folks wouldn't do that if
there weren't laws against that sort of thing?  Any time there is a
sellers market the prices go up.  Fortunately there are laws
protecting us from the prices going too high.  Sellers of contraband,
by their very nature, aren't as concerned with such laws considering
the fact that what they are selling in the first place is highly
illegal. 

Scummy business practices are a problem everywhere, not just in
blackmarket commodities.  

Just how much is food worth to you?  Would it be worth 5 times as much
for you to eat if that's what it took?  Would you start growing your own
at that price?  Or do you live in a city where you are *dependent* on
someone else to get you your daily fix?  How much would it be worth to
you to drive to your favorite CO beach?  What if gasoline were 10
times as expensive, would it still be worth it?  Those are examples of
both a need and a desire.

I won't deny that many drug dealers use very dirty business practices,
but then so do many legal business people, some with full power of the
law behind them.  Telemarketers fer instances.  Not sure which I'd
rather have next door, a telemarketer or a drug dealer :-).

Follow ups are directed to alt.drugs

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From: blink@carson.u.washington.edu (Folded Pliers)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Wreck Beach
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:45:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan18.214407.29089@bcrka451.bnr.ca> Adrian C Ruigrok <aruigrok@bnr.ca> writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.142636.21978@bnr.ca> Glen Martin, glenm@bnr.ca
>writes:
>>Over the years there becomes more drug-dealing and so forth. Society is
>>not prepared for drugs and alchohol in public, or the violence that these
>>engender on Wreck at night. Society also has certain demands for tax
>>revenues that the illegal beach vendors didn't pay.

>It is unfortunate if the Police presence scares away people, however the
>last time I was there, a regular that I met told me that the drug dealers
>at the bottom of the stairs that access be beach were really scaring off
>people as well, especially the families.  That can't be allowed to happen.
>People get annoyed by Police but they will return.  People get scared by 
>drug dealers and may never return.
>
>I really enjoyed having vendors on the beach.  If you have been there, it 
>is worth paying someone to haul in the amount you would drink in a day
>down
>there.  I rather enjoyed the lawlessness as well.  But if it becomes a
>problem that scares away people the law must clamp down, at least until
>the lower life forms realize they can't get away with it and go back
>downtown.
>
>Adrian

I hardly think it is appropriate to call drug sellers "lower forms of life."
They are simply people who are business men on a black market.
The correlation with violence is largely false, and partly what is to be 
expected of a black market. They cannot pay taxes, and they certainly do not
get police protection for their business transactions as other business
people do.
 I understand the fear, I understand the reasons, but lets not believe to
much of the propoganda ok?  They are no more lower forms of life than 
alchohol drinkers, who use a drug that once was illegal and caused a violent
black market.

-Blink
Paint Nude.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: drug dealers
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:55:48 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <19986@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Prior@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Prior) writes:
>Anyone who sells drugs is most certainly a lower form of life

	Like, people who sell _tobacco_ and _alcohol_ ?  Or valium?

	Frankly, I'd much rather have a couple of pot-smoking hippies
too high to do anything but stare at the seagulls and giggle share the
beach with me than, say, a dozen jocks throwing frisbees around my head
and beer cans into the water...
								wr
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Nude Mission George (San Diego, CA)
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:59:36 PST

>Yesterday, I went on a search for a nude area that is apparently being
established along the San Diego River in the Mission George area.....I
would appreciate any information that
might be out there.<

At one time Mission Valley and the San Diego River was quite a skinny
dipping place. However, since the tremendous growth in the area I think it
just fizzled away. Even still there are some relativily remote spots along
the river where you could probably get nude and not be bothered. I used
hike the Gorge area, but have not done so in a few years, too crowded.

Lee Dronick, San Diego CA
ProLine: leed@pro-harold           | What a price we pay for Experience
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com  |  When we must sell our youth to buy it
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: spock@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott)
Subject: Massachusetts/New England Nude Resorts?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:15:23 GMT

	I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any nude resorts in MA or
  other New England states. If so where are they?
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist TV call letters
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:16:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


>:In article <> ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>:>OK, so we're left with no other choice - TEN, The Erection Network :-).
>:>At least it will get lots of viewers!


In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ) writes:
>Maybe, but won't we have to worry about guys watching for a few seconds
>and then falling asleep?


Oops, I should have said it would be the TEN channel that would broadcast
for ten seconds and then black out for a few hours while it recooperates.
And it will only broadcast a few times each day.  :-)


In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ) also writes:
>I'm sorry.  I promise to avoid following up on this subject.

I lied. :-)


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From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudist beach
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:13:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com

In article 11044@cbnews.cb.att.com, lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
> In article <PFINGSTA.93Jan21112241@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> pfingsta@inm.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Pfingstag) writes:
> >Hi, 
> >does anybody know how I can avoid it, to get an erection on a 
> >nudist beach. This is a real problem.
> 
> Place a sock over it so no one can see.
> 

Blue Ice packs also good!

---
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              Itasca, IL
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nudism & drug dealers (was Re: drug dealers)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:47:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1993Jan28.123422.13480@waikato.ac.nz> bthoms@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>They must be some of the best paid "freedom fighters" anywhere.
>
>It's great that they share their battle with young kids as well: I don't know
>why being 10 years old is any reason not to OD or use dirty needles or get sold
>some very sus homebake.
---
	Trouble is you confuse the effects of having drugs in society with the
effect of the "War on Drugs".  If drugs were legal, you would have 
have such a large black market (if any).  Furthermore the quality of
substances would be significantly higher.  How often do you see kids
ODing on alchohol?  How often do you see people drinking wood alcohol
tainted stuff and going blind?  How much of a black market is there
for alcohol?  

	Most of the problems of the type you describe are a result of the
illegality of drugs -- not the drugs themselves.

    As far as the 'profit' motive, hey, so those freedom fighters are
mercenaries.  I don't see any organized army fighting for our freedom, so
I guess mercenaries are needed.  You might wonder about our US military
fighting for our freedom -- shit.  They are being used in military 
operations in our state to 'control' the population & fight the
drug war.  If this isn't a war, they why is the military involved?

	Of course, to relate this to nudity -- personal drug use and nudity
are integrally related.  They both are about your personal freedom.
If we go with the premise that  you have personal freedom and
responsibliity.  And if you go with the premise that you can do as
you will on your own property, and on shared (public) property as long
as you are not harming others, then suddenly nudism and drugs become
legal.


-wat-
-- 

:: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::
From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:32:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: Wallets, keys, etc.

ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
> It may seem like a foolish question to you, but what do ya'll do with 
> wallets, car keys, smoking paraphanalia, and the like?  No pockets.  

You learn that you *can* live without them.  To me, that's an important
part of being a "naturist".  In optimal circumstances, I'll hide the car
key near the car (nobody wants to steal my car anyway), and leave behind
absolutely every trace of civilization for a few hours...

...except my contact lenses and my tender feet.

> "Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian."
Me too.

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From: KHOCKENBURY@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (Kurt Hockenbury)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Carrying things while Nude
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:28:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>In article:<1jpie8INNba0@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom
Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>I've also done nude backpacking.  Everything you need is in your backpack.
>Of course while hiking you should wear socks and hiking boots.  And it does
>help to have some extra soft padding on the pack straps or wear a T-shirt.

Hmm.  There probably isn't enough of a demand, but it would be interesting to 
see a TNS sponsored backpack, with extra-soft backing.  Couldn't you see the 
manufacturer's ads?  "So comfortable, you can even wear one nude!".  :-)

	-Kurt Hockenbury

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ben@val.com (Ben Thornton)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Organization: Video Associates Labs - Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:38:45 GMT

In article <2138@blue.cis.pitt.edu> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>In article <1jfniaINN8uk@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>
>> In article <1993Jan16.001634.5752@netcom.com> tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming) writes:
>
>>>   With all the television channels targeting specific viewers, why don't
>>>we start a new one... TNN (The Nude Network). Featuring nudist activities
>>>from around the world!
>
>>>   I think it would be a hit!
>
>> Sorry....It's already taken by The Nashville Network.  Better come up
>> with a different name...  :-)
>
>I can see it now!  Nude Cowboys, err, CowPERSONS, with guitars placed at
>strategic positions so as not to offend Ron & Nancy or Grandma and Grandpa!

This kind of reminds me of the 60's movie "A Shot in the Dark" where Peter
Sellers as Clousseau had to visit a Nudist Resort in pursuit of a criminal.
Of course, since full frontal nudity was not quite appropriate in those days,
the wardrobe folks (or was it the props folks?) dressed him in an acoustic 
guitar.  And, no, he didn't play it :)

   Ben



-- 
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ben@val.com

      "Push to Test ---> @   ... Release to Detonate"
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: myers@sequent.com (Steve Myers)
Subject: SAUVIE ISLAND (OREGON) Update
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:45:15 GMT


I spoke to Oregon Fish and Wildlife today and they weren't sure what the 
outcome of the proposed usage regulations would be.  I was told that the 
Oregonian (Newspaper) article wasn't entirely accurate, and that only two 
folks actually spoke out against nudity at Sauvie Island.  And that wasn't 
even until the final comission meeting.  

According to the OFW spokesperson that I talked to, nudity wasn't even 
considered to be an issue for their first 12 meetings (most of which dealt 
with the appropriate height at which to install nesting boxes for birds).  
Just our luck, since nudists were in attendence during initial sessions but 
not the last one!

The Oregon Fish and Wildlife folks are eager for our input.  I was encouraged
to write to...

  Randy Fisher
  Department Director
  Oregon Fish and Wildlife Dept.
  2501 SW First
  POB 59
  Portland, OR 97207

  The OFW phone# is (503)229-5400 x432
 
Let them know that YOU want to be involved in their usage regulations decision.

Please help to spread the word.
Thanks.

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From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: Wreck Beach
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:52:17 GMT

You have obviously never been to Wreck Beach because the drug dealers that
frequent this crappy beach here in Vancouver (rock strewn shore with shit
infested water from a sewage outfall) because if you had you would know that
anything goes down there and the only ones who go are your Free Enterprise
Black Marketeers who got so fucked up on acid they now can't get real jobs,
Rastafarians and their lazy culture of drug indulgence, drop outs, and
professional students who do not intend on getting jobs.

The real beach in Vancouver for nudists would be any one of a number of
beautiful secluded places up the Indian Arm Inlet which is a 1\2 hr by boat
from Burnaby BC which is right next to Vancouver.


Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jimc@megatek.com (Jim Campbell)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV call letters
Reply-To: jimc@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:20:01 GMT

In article <1jph62INNaa3@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>>:In article <> ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
>>:>OK, so we're left with no other choice - TEN, The Erection Network :-).
>>:>At least it will get lots of viewers!
>
>
>In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ) writes:
>>Maybe, but won't we have to worry about guys watching for a few seconds
>>and then falling asleep?
>
>
>Oops, I should have said it would be the TEN channel that would broadcast
>for ten seconds and then black out for a few hours while it recooperates.
>And it will only broadcast a few times each day.  :-)
>
	Oh, Man! Only 10 seconds at a time? Poor guy! Mostly, I can get at
least 10 minutes.... I thought that maybe most men could get 10 minutes or 
more, depending on the circumstances. (I've never asked around, though...)
:^)

>
>In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ) also writes:
>>I'm sorry.  I promise to avoid following up on this subject.
>
>I lied. :-)
>
>
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From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: WHAT'S THE SCA? WHO IS BOB?
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:49:41 GMT
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)

In article <1993Jan27.212137.2158@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> uelmenm@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>What's the SCA?  please don't mail me. just curious.  I know this 
>is supposed to deal with issues of nudity, but I never wear underwear, 
>so consider myself to be a fellow traveler.

				howzabout reposting this on rec.org.sca
?

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: The art of unclothed combat ?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:47:46 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <ARCHER.862.727741135@utkvm1.utk.edu> ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>the technical aspects of resonable self-defense for the practicing nudist.

	The beach I go to is full of large, sharp rocks... And remember
those Ginsu commercials?  "In Japan, the hand can be used like a knife". :-)

	Interestingly enough, I've only seen two fights in the last
three years, and both involved a pair of drunks.  (Two different pairs :-)

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ben@val.com (Ben Thornton)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Organization: Video Associates Labs - Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:33:43 GMT

In article <C163u0.2vH@cs.uiuc.edu> noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>In article <C15oBA.9MI@merk.com> mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan) writes:
>>In article <C14DsB.n0r@acsu.buffalo.edu> zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:
>>>In a previous message, ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) says:
>>>>So, obviously, we'll use TBN - The Bare Network!
>>>
>>>"TBN" is already
>>>used by the Trinity Broadcasting Network.
>>
>>How about... 
>>	NNN
>>	Naturist Network News
>
>Or maybe Broadcast Universal Naturist System (BUNS)?  I think I can
>almost guarantee that that acronym is not currently in use.  And I
>already have an idea for the logo we could put in the corner of the
>TV screen. :-)

I'm surprised no one came up with this one.

TNC - The Naturist Channel

So now that we've got the name...

:)
-- 
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ben@val.com

      "Push to Test ---> @   ... Release to Detonate"
From: dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Daniel R. Kegel)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Mud baths near LA?
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:50:28 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacks.jpl.nasa.gov

Hi,
I seem to recall that there is a spa east of LA that offers
mud baths and perhaps hot springs.  Can anyone recall the name
or even come up with a phone number?
Thanks,
  Dan Kegel (dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov)
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