HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S)
Subject: Re: Falcon, Falcon who has got a Falcon
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:24:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.112726.11738@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.162113.13989@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>
>>can someone make a list of typical sorts of programs that would be really
>>"memory-intensive" so as to really suffer from this 16-bit memory bus?
>>
>>				-Matt
>
>Programs that should be using the blitter, but don't.
>Eg. copying areas of memory, drawing sprites, scrolling in a window, etc.
>(The blitter has 32-bit access and is faster at doing this sort of thing
>anyway).
>
>- Leo

Whats so different about the Falcon doing this for graphics when all data
bus transfers on the PC are done at 16 bits and depending on your setup at
8 bits.  Not only that, the data transfer speeds are limited on the PC
further slowing down graphics speed.  Plus the PC doesn't have a blitter.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Re: Recommended Falcon monitor?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:06:42 GMT

In article <108007@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>
>What is/will be the recommended monitor for the Falcon (if/when it
>becomes available to me) to be able to use all of the screen solutions
>in all of the colors, and in a reasonably crisp manner? I'm hoping that
>the answer isn't a $1200 monitor from Atari (the price I'm hoping the
>Falcon will cost with 4 megs and a 65 meg hard drive). Will there be
>support for other lower cost monitors that, perhaps, the IBM community
>has been using for years and I might find used for $3-$400 US?  Also,
>they (Sam Tramiel in Boston in October) said that the Falcon could
>display sm124 monichrome mode on a color monitor. Is the SM1224
>acceptable for this, or are they speaking of some $600 multi-sync

I saw a falcon running the ST high mode on an SC1224.  Frankly, it just  
didn't cut it.  The dot pitch of the SC1224 is just too coarse to display  
this mode.  On a .28mm VGA monitor, monochrome should look just fine.  If  
you've ever seen a regular mac II, it's black text on white background is  
what 640x480 on a .25 dotpitch trinitron looks like.  More than adequate.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: 030 sync cycles (...)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:46:29 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

elendir@inf.enst.fr writes:

> Stig Vidar Hovland writes
> 
> ] Mr. Joern Moe has probably circuit diagrams for the Falcon and in that case
> ] he should know what he is talking aboat. With additional hardware, it is  
> possible
> ] to terminate an access to 16 bit memory with STERM.

>  Of course with additionnal hardware you can do everything. But I remember  
> something in the developer documentation (v 0.3, July  92) speaking of wait  
> states...
>  Anyhow, a 32 bit synchronous access in 4 cycles has 2 wait states in it. And  
> that, you cannot discuss it :-)

Well if you are making "a 32 bit synchronous access in 4 cycles" on a 16 bit 
bus there can be NO WAIT STATES. To get 32 bits you must make two 16 bit 
accesses. Since each access requires 2 clock cycles, two accesses require 
4 clock cycles.

I think what you meant is that 4 clock cycles, to access 32bits, on a
16 bit bus is the equivalent of 2 wait states on a 32 bit bus.


Brian, WS1S (ST/TT user)
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ISO, Atari Corporate History material
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:07:31 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>If you want to criticize Jack Tramiel for not running the company in a
>'perfect' manner, you probably can,

Thank you.  That's what I did.  The Tramiels are Atari's biggest obstacle,
bar none.  Sam is clearly a pathological liar, as you'll recall he stated
he had seen the production line spewing Falcons back in September (?) yet
today they're finding out these 3-month-old machines are defective???

>Also, as far as the microcomputer market is concerned, I don't think there is
>_that) teremendous of a difference between Atari's future and IBM's.  (The key

I don't really give a flip if IBM folds or not.  It's irrelevant to the
state of Atari.  The current state of Atari is directly attributable to
the state of Atari's management, and no amount of smoke screening is
gonna hide that.  Of course, the people at Forbes were probably mis-
informed...

>This will make Atari, Apple, and IBM much more competitive with each other.  I

If you think Atari is EVER gonna compete with IBM, then I have some prime
development property in Florida I'd like to sell you.
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From: Jan_Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MultiTOS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:23:40 +0100
Reply-To: p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet!Jan_Willekens@nextjk.wlink.nl
Distribution: world
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X-FSC-PID: LED 1.00

In a message of <Wed 20 Jan 93 01:07>, Daniel Aylward (2:281/202.0) writes:

 DA> Speaking of MultiTOS, it's been a week since the GEnie conference...
 DA> any sign of MultiTOS on GEnie, where Bob said it may be released?  If
 DA> it is, I want it NOW!  :)

Don't start looking for it yet. I'd be very, really very surprised if it
would show up before March. (meaning that they'd have removed a lot of bugs
in a short time ;-)

No, I don't even WANT them to release it until ALL of it works 100%. It
works extremely well already, don't get the wrong idea, but it doesn't work
100% (ok, 99.9%, there's no OS without even one tiny bug in it ;-) yet. The
bugs are mainly in the desktop code, I have only encountered two bugs which
might be caused by MiNT. :-)

Greetings...                                                - Jan -
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Removeable media
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:05:48 GMT

In article Fzq@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca, gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett) writes:

>The new Syquest drives (model 5110C) will read and write 44 meg drives,
>although the writes to 44 meg cartidges will be 2x as slow.

Darren, do you mean 2x slower than 88Mb cart writes (understandable, I guess)
or 2x slower than writes on a 44Mb mechanism (not understandable).

'tanks,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (maximum entropy)
Subject: Re: STZIP.. is the latest version here yet?
Organization: Not Proud Programmers
	<16B5D9CAD.BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:46:00 GMT

In article <16B5D9CAD.BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de> BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley) writes:
>craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>>A new version of STZIP was released a few weeks ago now,
>> has it made it's way to a.a or any other ftp site yet?
>STZIP 2.1 is availbale via anonymous FTP from ftp.tu-clausthal.de
>(139.174.2.10) or via mail to "mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de".
>get /pub/atari/archivers/zip/stzip21.lzh

It is also on atari.archive.umich.edu in atari/Archivers, as of this
morning.

On a related topic, please do not upload .ZIP files to atari.archive,
as we do not have the facilities on the archive machine to check them
for errors and so on.  If your favorite new program came in a ZIP
archive, please re-pack it into ARC, ZOO, or LZH format before
uploading it to atari.archive.

cheers,
entropy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland)
Subject: Re: PC VS ST
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:37:54 GMT

In article <93024.215308SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 > bus are 32 bit.  The 56001 has only integer instructions built-in and
 > I believe a 16 bit databus and 24 bit address bus...  I also believe that

The 56001 has two 24 bit databusses and one instruction bus. It support fix point instructions
and it has two 56 bit accumulators and a lot of 24 bit registers. The 56001 is indeed
a very good processor.

Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: A1200
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:03:22 GMT

This is not meant to start a flame war, and it is probably best to resist from
following up if at-all possible.
  I thought a few ST users (and would be Falcon users) would be interested to
know that there are several problems with the A1200.
        1) The modulators have a habit of failing after an hours use.  One guy
in c.s.a.h is on his 4th because of this problem, and several others have had
more than one replaced.  As far as I know this problem has not been ironed out
yet.
        2) Misc. display glitches.  These appear on all machines when using
certain monitors and the problem looks here to stay.
        3) Under-powered PSUs.  Some early ones cannot handle HDs.
        4) Keyboard problems.  This appears to be a serious problem, which
might not be fixable.  Symptoms are keys sometimes not responding and keys
registered as pressed after one pressed later is.  This basically means you
can't use the machine for wordprocessing unless you can't type.

The other problems I reported earlier seem to have been fixed now.

- Leo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:41:15 GMT

In article <74061@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>If you don't want to read discussions about how Atari computers compare
>with other brands of computers, then don't read the "general" newsgroup..
> 
>Otherwise, it's "Open Season" for anything and everything...
>
>BobR

But.. fact is that the "general" group contains much (?) more than
just the flamewars, and of course there are people who want to read
them too. And everybody doesn't have a clear picture of what goes
to which of the two groups.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: Assembler routine that generates random numbers?
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:19:23 GMT

sbrown@cee.hw.ac.uk (Stuart Brown) writes:
: [...] 
: random:
:   move.w seed,d0
:   mulu #109,d0

:   add.l #853,d0
-> add.w #853,d0

:   divu #4096,d0
:   swap d0
Why not remove these two and use

	and.w #4095,d0

instead? This will almost halve the time needed to calculate
the random number...

:   move.w d0,seed
:   rts
: seed
:   dc.w 0

-MY
From: jhurwitz@access.digex.com (j. hurwitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Need Info on g++ and gcc for the ST
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:36:11 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


I was wondering if some one could help me. I would like to install g++ and gcc
on my ST. However when I look on umich for the files I see a number of them for
both gcc and g++. Could someone send me a list of the files I need to get up 
and running. I would be very appreciative of your help. Thanx alot in advance.


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From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: RE: Convince me to stick with Atari. Why Bo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:58:39

Steve Wells wrote in a message on 19 Jan 93 to All

> In less than a month, there'll be the LC III, with better graphics (8
bit
> on 16-inch monitor, which means more than 640*480), full 32-bit databus,
> 25 MHz 68030, 4 MB of RAM (expandable to 36)... and all that for less
than
> $1500.

 SW>  $1500!? Eeek! This could cause problems if the price really 
 SW> is this low! (Which is REALLY cheap for a mac'!) 

Yep. Unbelievable as it may seem, Apple is learning. :-) This was the
price quoted in an announcement in a Mac newsgroup.

 SW> Wasn't the LC-II about $2500!? (!?!?) 
 SW> Probably uses SIMMS as well 8-( (Unlike these odd RAM boards)

It does use SIMMs. Imagine that, you can plug in memory, just like that. :
)


YHS:QSI!
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotry
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:20:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <74056@cup.portal.com> <1jm8mlINN9er@falcon.natinst.com>

Glen Sescila writes:
>>People who own just PCs have far better things to do with their
>>time and computers than come here and try to evangalize Atari
>>owners...

>Hmmm.  Ever hear the old phrase 'Practice what you preach.'?

Yup, I've heard that...  so what's your point..?
 
BobR

(Or in the spirit of David PZ, would you like the serial numbers of all
the Atari equipment I've got surrounding me at the moment..?  That can
be arranged...)
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: gcc/g++ installation question
Summary: I need help!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:27:50 GMT


Hello, all!

I recently pulled all the gcc/g++ files off of umich.  At least I
thought I did.  I haven't had time to install them here at school yet,
but I gave my Dad a copy at home and he's been having some problems
getting it working.  So he asked if I'd use my USENET feed (since he
lost his some time ago) to post a few questions about the
installation.

So here they are.  Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

1.  What programs/files do I need to run GNU c and g++?  This includes
libraries, header files, programs and anything else important.

2.  Where do they go?  (as far as directory structure and such.)

3.  What kind of environmental variables are needed?

As I said above, I thought we'd gotten all the important archives off
of umich, but apparently it looks like we're missing some of the
files.  Also, I guess some of the files got garbaged up somehow (most
notably a few of the include files).

So any answers I can get to the above three questions would really
help us get this whole thing set up.  As both my Dad and I are looking
to learn c++, this seemed like a decent system to start up with.

Thanks in advance for your advice!

Joe
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From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD!
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:50:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


You've got your market segments mixed up. Cray sells supercomputers. IBM
sells mainframes (and minis, workstations, and micros). The
mainframe market is sliding, in a  part because of those very businesses
you described who are so costly to keep the mainframe running.
Why do you think IBM has been pushing the RS/6000 lately?
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:09:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan22.093526.17488@email.tuwien.ac.at>

Marinos Yannikos writes:

Well thanks, I can read already. Thanks for the insult too!

Ok, so maybe you've missed all the messages I've posted giving
my position on my Atari computer and my PCs.  I'm not going to
repeat it.

>Are you serious? Do you actually flame in comp.sys.atari.st "just to
>have something to fill the void"??? Have you ever thought about the 
>fact that a lot of people that are reading this group have to pay 
>money for that?

Again, you've obviously never actually read anything I've written
or haven't understood any of it.

>I've seen plenty of these messages in comp.sys.atari.st too, but in the
>last couple of weeks I've almost seen more messages from you alone
>complaining about Atari Corp., don't you ever get bored?


Nope...  I use my Atari 520ST daily, and enjoy correcting the
abject misinformation that appears here almost daily.. most of
it about other brands of computers.  If someone posts something
incorrect about Atari computers, I'll correct that too.
If you want to define that as participating in a flame-war,
it's a free world...

: Like I said.. we don't need a new newsgroup to handle all the Atari flames.
: what we need is for Atari Corp to DO SOMETHING...
: 

By the way, what are your thoughts on this..?

BobR
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: UNITERM script file help needed.
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:48:44 +1200

Hello,
 anyone out there clever enough to have figured out the script language
of Uniterm ???

If so, I need some help!

I need a script file to watch the modem, waiting for a RING , then send an
 ata to the modem, wait for the CONNECT, then send a text message, or textfile
 if possible,  drop carrier, and run itself again.

Anyone able to do that and mail the results to me?

BTW: I have tried to figure it out... no luck so far :-( .. I guess i'll have
 to try get Tex going to have a look at the proper docs rather than the ascii
 ones.

 Many thanks,
    Craig.
 
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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Zillions of Questions
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:36:09 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

1.  If LHarc encounters an odd file, it tries to 'repair' it, which
usually results in the file ending up being HUGE.  The Manix, lzh file
is probably archived with a later version of Lharc, or another archiver
altogether.  try extracting it with the -k option.  It might work!
(Or, try running 'What-is' v. 6.3 or later.  That might tell you what
it is!)

2.  Gaunt-Ed'.  Make sure you are using LHarc version 2.01L and use 
that -k switch, which bypasses most incompatibility problems!
('generate compatible headers').  Gaunt-Ed is for editing the *original*
2-disk version of Gauntlet.  If you have a 1-disk version, or Gauntlet 2,
it won't work!

3.  Find a copy of F-Copy 3.  This has an option to copy to 'New Conf'
(New Configuration).  Which will convert a say, 80-track, 9-sector
per track, single sided disk. into say, a 82-track, 10-sector per track,
double sided disk.  Or any format into any other format!  And it leaves
your data intact! (It will only work with file-based disks, not data
disks such as commercial games etc.)  Very fast too!

4.  You may have a problem with the drive itself if it isn't
recognising media change to that degree.  Even with FMC!
(If you are using TOS 1.0, you might want to try and get TOS 1.2 or
1.4, which speeds things up and generally makes life easier!!)


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 | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
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From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Yes, SXs are dogs
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:14:58 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan21.200036.21859@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:
>
>So bag the ST altogether and spend $XXX on the Gemulator. It will
>allow you to run your Pagestream and take advantage of the VGA
>graphics as well. You can't do that on an ST at any cost other than
>of course blowing more bucks on a Falcon or TT just to get better
>graphics.
>
>- Darek


Since people always point out how it's against netiquette to quote
your private email Darek, I think it's only fair to point out that blatant
commercial posts are not only bad netiquette but against the net charter
as well. (That's why I edited your price listing).

I am FAR from the net police, but you continually skirt the boundry
from being informative about a new product, and using the net for free
advertising.  I think that Howard Chu is a good example of low-key.  He's
mentioned the capabilities of Blackmail (when asked) an mentioned it when
talking about Comdex (actually I think that more was said by OTHER people).
Furturmore, he posts LOTS of stuff that have *nothing* to do with his pro-
duct. I have seen a few of your posts that don't talk about Gemulator but
they aren't a large percentage of them.

I guess I DO sound like the net police, but I am only pointing out the way
that things are.  But, of course, the net is dynamic.  If it doesn't bother
the OTHER readers of this group, who am I to complain?  Since their are so
few Atari dealers, maybe it is.  What say you all?

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