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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.215639.2289@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Rapp@launchpad.unc.edu (David Rapp) writes:
>
>     I always saw Dan Akroyd making a great Night Owl.
>
You picked the perfect Night Owl.  After seeing My Girl, I  could
easily see Dan Akroyd as the Night Owl.  I'm assuming you mean the
second Night Owl and not Hollis Mason.

Mike McKellar
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
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Subject: Q on A Few Good Men: Poison???
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:38:55 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

Something that really bothered me about this film was the "poison"
plot device.  Were these two marines toxicologists or something?
Where did they find this poison, or barring finding it, how did they
get it transported to the base? How did they know what minimum dosage
would be effective, etc.?

Not that this movie didn't have its share of problems, but this
"poison" thing was not addressed fully at the trial. 

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
From: raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:36:59 GMT
Organization: Commodore

In article <1993Jan3.153723.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>>> oemr@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Ed Roseboom) writes:
>
>>> I rented "Naked Lunch" last night....what was that?
> 
>First to you Ed...do you really need others to explain what a movie is
>about, or what it should mean to you?  Movies mean different things to 
>different people.  Perhaps you should try real hard to figure out "what
>was that" on your own, then maybe you can share your views here, and
>see what others thought as well.  Just asking "Explain this movie so I 
>don't have to think about it on my own" is a bit lazy.
>
     (comments deleted)
>
>Greg Bole                            "We ride...to hell.  Or to glory.  
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         It depends on your point of view."
>                                Errol Flynn in _They Died With Their Boots On_

Obviously you have little compassion for someone whose impression of a movie
mighty deviate from your own. I believe Ed was expressing the fact that "Naked
Lunch" left him in a confused state and honestly felt he was missing something.
My reaction to the movie was somewhat similar, however I sort of dismissed it
since I enjoy watching many movies and tend not to spend much time agonizing 
over a detailed analysis of a movie I didn't particularly enjoy. Ed went the
extra mile and took the trouble to solicit comments from this forum. In light
of the hostility contained in your reply, he may well hesitate to do so next
time. Pardon me for deleting the remainder of your comments, I did so for
brevity's sake.
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From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:05:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.234108.14833@linus.mitre.org>, jon@MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec24.225326.6478@Princeton.EDU>, egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>>
>....... A WHOLE LOT of deconstructionist drivel about FFC's Dracula .....
>>
>
>You know I almost started to rebut the previous posting until the aroma
>of PC crap reached my nostrils and I knew that rebuttal was neither
>necessary or useful.  Mere burial will do.
>
>Happy Winter Solstice all!
>
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You can dismiss all that business about the Serb anti-Muslim propaganda in
Dracula as "PC crap," but I for one appreciated the poster's thoughtful
sensibility, which involved a lot more work than your one-liner crap.

Actually, my own "PC" critique of Dracula involves Coppola's incredibly
insensitive depiction of Gypsies, people who have long been denigrated
precisely for *serving no one but themselves*, as Dracula's all-too-
willing--and literally speechless--slaves.  As much as some folks might
want to insist that films are purely for entertainment, they do tell us
a lot about conscious and unconscious cultural attitudes, and too much
of what Coppola tells us in Dracula does not become him; frankly, I thought
he was smarter and more sensitive than this.

By the way, the opening of Dracula coincided almost to the day with the 
German government's decision to encourage Gypsies living in Germany to
"return" to Romania.  If you don't think there's a connection between
such political decisions and the way the Gypsies have been and are
depicted in works of "culture," I frankly pity you.

michael mcdonald
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Academy Awards
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:12:33 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1hqbheINN15b@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>So it's about time to think about the nominees.
>
>My list:
>Howard's End
>A Few Good Men
>Malcolm X
>The Player
>Unforgiven
>
>Alternates:
>Aladdin
>The Crying Game
>A League of Their Own
>
>	Does this sound close?  What do others think?  How does this year's
>list compare to other years?
>
Micael,

Your list is pretty solid. However, Scent of A Woman or/and Hoffa belong there
as well. Everybody's talking about Jack's perfomance(his best in decades)
in Hoffa. I agree. He carries the whole film, without any doubt. But,perfomance
of the year(I don't believe in having separate categories for male/female)
definetly goes to Paccino(and not just because I'm his biggest fan :-).
He totally outrates any single actor in any of the movies mentioned in
your post. If any of you going to the movies soon,I would strongly recommend
Scent of A Woman as a must-see film of the season.
 
Personally,I think this is the strongest year for movies in years. We have
at least 12 to 15 films to see that worth our time compared 7 or 8 for
past few seasons.

Regards,

-Mark
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From: kmd@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: totally ridiculous trivia question
Reply-To: kmd@fico.UUCP (Kathi Dietrick)     
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 00:22:18 GMT

In article <1hu6vlINN3ui@shelley.u.washington.edu> wiggs@deets.chem.washington.edu (James Wiggs) writes:
>
>   In what film did Bette Davis have the line: "What a dump!"
>
>   A friend asked me this the other night, and I can visualize the scene, but I  
>can't remember what film it was!  This is the sort of thing that will keep me  
>awake at night...

Isn't this in All About Eve?

>
>--
>James Wiggs
>jk_wiggs@pnlg.pnl.gov _or_ wiggs@u.washington.edu
>#include <std.disclaimer>
>"They're six year olds; how much trouble can they be?"


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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:58:49 GMT

ROSEBUD was Kane's sled!  It is not necessarily the key to the whole mystery.
It's ironic that the people in the film search for some clue to Kane's life and
last word. And it's ironic that his last word would be this image of his 
uncorrupted, innocent childhood.

But there are many other brilliant scenes and reasons for viewing this film. 
The key to the mystery and even the revelation of ROSEBUD as the sled is 
secondary to the content of the film overall.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:37:23 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

>> oemr@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Ed Roseboom) writes:

>> I rented "Naked Lunch" last night....what was that?
 
First to you Ed...do you really need others to explain what a movie is
about, or what it should mean to you?  Movies mean different things to 
different people.  Perhaps you should try real hard to figure out "what
was that" on your own, then maybe you can share your views here, and
see what others thought as well.  Just asking "Explain this movie so I 
don't have to think about it on my own" is a bit lazy.

>In article <sVVPwB2w165w@cithara.login.qc.ca>, william@cithara.login.qc.ca 
>(William Ross) writes:

> A little light entertainment mixed with some heavy satire

And as to you William..._Naked Lunch_ was "light entertainment"???
I'd hate to see your version of a heavy film.

> think of the basic paranoia of 1984 ( concept) and add a lot of strange 
> drugs....And don't leave out the more modern day derivatons found in 
> H.S Thompsons work --

I don't know who Thompsons is, but I found _Naked Lunch_ to be alot more
than entertainment and satire.

First and fore-most it was an attempt to bring the thoughts and writings
of William S. Burroughs (as well as parts of his life) to the screen. 

Yes, I found it entertaining, it was so bizarre and surreal in it's vision 
that it made me laugh and smile at many of the scenes.  But most importantly
in my mind this movie was about a writers vision, his inspiration.  It seems 
much of Burroughs disturbed thoughts came from his drug use.  This movie
was a view into the fascinating and troubled world of his drug induced
hallucinacions.  We get an inside seat as to what drove his creative process.

In fact when you put this movie together with _Barton Fink_ and _Kafka_
you have a brilliant (IMHO) trilogy of what makes a writer tick, all told
in hauntingly beautiful and bizarre analogies.

Greg Bole                            "We ride...to hell.  Or to glory.  
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         It depends on your point of view."
                                Errol Flynn in _They Died With Their Boots On_
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Subject: Re: Black Holes of Cinema
From: whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:59:49 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <cosulliv.724962212@sfu.ca>, cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan) writes:
> mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:
> 
>>This may be a controversial or flame-baiting topic, but it relates to the 
>>"overrated" thread.  Black holes are cinema are people with no talent who keep 
>>making movies!
> 
> YES!  MELANIE GRIFFITH AND DON JOHNSON! LIZA MINNELLI! MICKEY ROURKE!
> AWFUL! DAVID KEITH! 

I'm not going to spend a lot of time defending Don Johnson or Melanie Griffith
but I must admit that I like Mickey Rourke, in fact, I think he is an
under-rated actor.  I mean he was great in Diner, Body Heat, and Rumblefish. 
OK, sure I know he's left normal movies for his own personal brand of soft core
porno (Wild Orchid) but I still think he was great in those movies and others   
I can't think of.  (He also boxes!)

WHAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Cook...Lover/women's response
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:06:09 GMT
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Dec27.060611.25351@netcom.com> estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer) writes:
>
>9:19PM  12/26/92
>
>Regarding the movie The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, 
>I have some comments, but more importantly, some questions.
>
>First, I was introduced to it by my twenty-four-year-old son. 
>He was quite keen on it. I, being not quite twice his age, 
>found it interesting cinematically, but dull in language, 
>limited in scope, short on anything approaching a philosophical 
>message or social comment (at least with any consistency) and, 
>in short, childish catharsism. I didn't like it, but I certainly 
>wouldn't condemn it.
>
>Now the important stuff. My wife did! Condemn it that is. 
>She took such offense that by the point of the sadistic 
>torturing of the singing youth, she left the room (I saw it on video).

Now, this is a typical reaction with Peter Greenaway's movies
(see 'Zoo' for example). Some people just haven't got a stomach to face
the darker sides of this life.

Well, I'm also twenty four year old male, and when I saw the movie about
a year or two ago, I liked it, but thinking about it now, I don't view
it as very important movie, but more like a good entertainment with
bright colours, beatiful singing and elegant dishes.

>Later she told me that she was deeply offended. This reached 
>the point emotionally that I was targeted for a spell and 
>then all men became the target, and finally she settled 
>down and claimed that only insensitive (or very young 
>and stupid) men would like anything in that movie.

Why? After all, it was men who were humiliated in the movie,
not women.

<Rest of Eric's article deleted.>

>Bon Apetite!

This movie certainly makes it grow!

>
>Eric
>
>==================================
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>AKA Running Wolf, tail in teeth, howellll
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From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: The Player (was Re: Academy Awards)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:21:00 GMT

organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic) writes...
>The Player gets my vote all the way.
It seems to be on everyone's list, which I find puzzling.  The Player was a
cute movie, clever and well-done, but certainly not a great movie.  Even
restricting the field to comedies, Husbands and Wives was far better.  Perhaps
its special appeal to movie buffs explains the high rating?

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
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From: paris@brahms.udel.edu (Paris H Magasiny)
Subject: Re: Best?  Favorite? (was: Top Five Movies of All Time)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:13:39 GMT

Keeping it to 5 in no particular order....

  The Sting
  Operation Petticoat  (sentimental favorite)
  Raiders of the Lost Ark
  A Room with a View
  Henry V  (Brannaugh's version)
From: danielw@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Daniel Wink)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:01:14 GMT
Subject: Pe
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
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Has Kenneth Branagh's 'Peter's Friends' been released in the
States yet? If so, was it well received? I'm just curious as
I saw it here in dear old Blighty last night, (and liked it)
and found myself wondering how those who would probably only
know 'our' Ken from 'Dead Again' (if not, please excuse my
presumption) re-acted to it.



-----------------------------------------------------------
REALITY USED TO BE A FRIEND OF FISH : HEDGEHOG IRRELEVENT
-----------------------------------------------------------

Dan.
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MOVIES, as of 23 December 1993
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:36:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:

>Very good point. However,IF X does very well with the Academy nominations
>and scores well at the Golden Globes the domestic box-office take 
>will definetly get a major pre-Oscar boost. Of course,that's a big IF
>since there's so much outstanding competetion this season with
>Chaplin and Lorenzo's Oil still in the wings and Scent of a Woman still
>in a limitted release.

You are right, twice - which is unfortunate for X.  A strong
showing at the Awards has always boosted receipts.  But there
is quite a bit of competition - and the fact that X was not
a run-away box-office smash will lessen, considerably, the
political pressure on the Academy to grant it Best Picture.
If it had performed like Home Alone, I'm sure a sweep would
have been likely.  As it is, I'm not so sure.  

I think, however, that the failure of X to perfrom well is
a surprise to a lot of people (myself included, actually).
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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: Underrated Actor:  Alan Rickman
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:47:35 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd -- Now Appearing Nightly With DON HO


hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:

 anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:
 > I saw two films he was in this weekend.  One was "Close My Eyes"
 > where he played the husband of a woman who has an affair with her
 > brother.  The other was "Truly, Madly, Deeply" -- a film I heard 
 > being called the film that "Ghost" should have been (and I agree).
 > Both films are highly recommended.  And you must admit that he
 > was the best part of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves as the Sherriff
 > of Nottingham.  Has he been in other films?

Hyunsuk> "Closet Land" comes to my mind immediately.  Alan Rickman
Hyunsuk> plays a nightmarish government bureaucrat.  He is also the
Hyunsuk> villain in "Die Hard."

DIE HARD was the first film I saw Rickman in, and I was absolutely
floored.  The best villain I'd seen in a loooooong time.  You need to
check out DIE HARD if you like Rickman.

He was also fun in THE JANUARY MAN (Kevin Kline, Mary Mastrantonio)
even though he had a very backseat role, and was in top form in the
Academy-Award-winning QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER (Tom Selleck, Laura San Giacomo).


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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
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Subject: Re: Best? Favorite? (was: Top Five Movies of All Time)
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:00:42
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: stcmille@panix.com's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:34:56 GMT

stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller) writes:
|The Front Page (comedy)

Ahhhhh, but wasn't _His Girl Friday_ better?  *Still* one of my
favorite movies. 
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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: Batman Sequels
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:01:44 GMT

In article <3PF3VB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
>
>[speculation about casting a new Batman deleted]
>
>I'm sure this has been said many time before but let me say it again:
>Please, please, please let there not be another Batman movie. There
>are few things in cinema I hate more than watching a flawed but
>fascinating film like Burton's original Batman get
>bled dry and that's exactly how I see any future Batman films. 

If Tim Burton directs the next one, I would agree with you however
Batman is a character that is right for sequels.  There have been
a number of great stories already written with him in it.  If another
director has a chance to tell his story with Batman, we might get
a fresh view of the character.  I liked Michael Keaton as Batman, but
I also don't want to see him do it again.  

Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Millers Crossing
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:58:03 GMT

The Coen Brothers next film has started shooting.  It's "The Hudsucker
Proxy", a film about intrigue in the business world.  Paul Newman is
in it, in a role that Jack Nicholson apparently considered seriously.

-- 
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		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: apocalypse now (was r
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:52:07 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MC>The "Making Of" was called "Hearts of Darkness", and wasn't even nominated fo
MC>an Oscar.  It SHOULD have been - one of my favorite films.

I don't know the dirty secrets of the Academy, but I think one reason
why HEARTS OF DARKNESS awasn't nominated for an Oscar was because it
was a MADE-FOR-TV movie.  It was broadcast on cable months before it
was released to theaters - I taped it off of Showtime myself.

The Academy has a long-standing rule that a production must be
released to theaters FIRST in order to qualify for an Oscar.  For this
reason, Sweden was forced to withdraw THE BEST INTENTIONS (with its
screenplay by Ingmar Bergman) from the competition for the Best
Foreign Film Oscar.  At the same time the movie was released to
theaters over there, a longer version of the film played on TV as a
miniseries.  So the movie was disqualified.

This rule is probably a product of the anti-television opinions of
Hollywood back in the fifties.
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