HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.005902.8800@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|[about the oddly-named mile-high club]
|It would be fairly easy on small domestic shuttle flights, I would imagine -
|but they don't, I believe, go a mile high.

   It depends on the country and the flight.  I think that the air traffic
controllers in the USA get quite nervous when any commercial flight sits
below about 10000 feet.  I've been on 90-mile shuttle flights in the USA
where the airplane spend half its time climbing to about 14000 feet, and
then the other half dropping down (Chicago->Milwaukee(*) via jet) and 250
mile flights where the plane goes up to about 10000 feet and plods happily
along until it reaches its destination (Chicago->LaCrosse via propeller)

   Personally, I prefer the 20ft club.
                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us

(*) If you're not from the USA and don't know where these places are, you're
lucky :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: looking for ideas
From: LEVINO@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:24:53 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

Hi: this will be the second post. This time from a different
    server (let see if will work :) ).
The peoples from the local BGALA group are looking for
ideas for the next coming out day. The ideas need to stress
the "B" word from the name of the group.
 
          Any input will be welcome. Thanks
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jgray@med.unc.edu (James F. Gray)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Followup-To: newsgroup
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:26:12 GMT

well, happy birthday!


jim
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep4.095014.1@cua.edu> 75furlong@cua.edu writes:
>for the record, there is already a soc.gender.issues, which is never used. (i
>was subscribed to it for a bit until i realized that no one was posting)

Probably because it doesn't exist.  (Bogus groups which exist only at
your site aren't much good for conversation.)

Just another news administrator,
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:53:30 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <18349@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <memo.611369@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
>(Clive Grace) writes:
>
>>I just saw Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells II on television tonight, 
>>Big Screen, Nicam Stereo. The BBC did a good job of the photography.
>>I was just looking at the castle and the shots of Edinburgh put tears
>>in my eyes. I miss Edinburgh lots, I miss you & the Edinburgh crowd lots.
>
>The trouble with never watching TV because it's all crap, is that when
>something worth watching like this finally comes on, nobody tells me about
>it. Bugger. And we haven't got Nicam and the video's got mono sound. :-(

Ah, in that case you should have been reading the Ents page of the
Gunardia :)

Justin and I taped it; I dare say if you have access to copying
facilities it wouldn't be any problem to lend you the tape.  And
the sound is delectable...

ObBiRef: Isn't Mike Oldfield yummy?

				Kay


-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: michael@tfs.com (Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: visit to UK, wants to meet people!
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:42:03 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

Hello all!

I'll be visiting England this month, from 9/25 to 10/4, and I would *LOVE* 
to meet some of you. 

I'll be staying with my parents in London. I won't be able to leave London 
for long, so I'm afraid visits up north are probably out of the question, 
but I'll be able to meet people in places that are a day trip away. I might 
be able to get away for an overnight, which would increase the circle I can 
reach a little more.

I don't post here very often so many of you might not know me. People seem
to think that I'm a fairly decent sort of fellow. I can provide references, 
from this newsgroup even!

If you could mail me directly it would be best, as time constraints make it
very hard for me to read soc.bi regularly.

Hope to meet some of you!

Hugs,
Michael
-- 
========================================================
Michael Shiloh			michael@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems		(510) 704-3520
Berkeley, Ca
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:01:35 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <X972qB12w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> There were pockets of times and places where homosexuality and bisexuality 
> were popular and fashionable.  They tend to be skipped over in school 
> texts books, though - you have to look at the sources for them.
> 
> Which reminds me of the Latin text where the Catullus like "iocumdum os 
> oculosque suaviabor" - "I will kiss your happy mouth and eyes", addressed 
> to his friend/lover Veranius, is footnoted by the Ontario Board of 
> Education with the note that men in Roman times tended to be more 
> demonstrative than men in Canada today.

Indeed. And the bilingual (American) version of _Canterbury Tales_ has the
bit where the pleysaunte Nicolas grabs Alison "by the queynte" translated as
"he grabbed her where he shouldn't". Our English teacher at school was less 
subtil and less queynt and told us to pencil in the translation "=cunt".

BTW if you read the text carefully, is Chaucer hinting that Nicolas might
be bi? Our English teacher certainly was :-)

///Peter
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:57:47 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <Jm2TqB13w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>...I see what you mean but aren't you just moving the limits of what you 
>accept, rather than accepting other people's choices?  Any vegans I have 
>known seem quite happy and healthy as such; and why assume they don't 
>take tablets? Or why believe they should, when you disbelieve other forms 
>of establishment propaganda? (I'm deliberately using provocative words 
>here!)

The tablets to which Owen refers, I guess, are vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin),
which is not found to any significant extent except in animal-derived
foods.  Lack of B12 causes pernicious anaemia, a life-threatening
condition.  So far as I know, this lack of availability is the only
cogent (ie, non-hand-waving) argument against the advisability of vegan
nutrition.

It's possible that someone, somewhere, has discovered a microbe-based
method for producing B12 (it's a horrendously complicated multiring
cobalt complex cation - from my memory, at least some portion of the
molecule has been synthesised, but I suspect that the synthesis was one
of those 0.0001% yield ones done solely to elucidate the structure, and
not at all viable for commercial production); back in my biochemistry
days (~13 years ago), the only named source for extraction of B12 for bio
purposes was chopped liver.  If not, then either vegans must compromise
their principles, or face a debilitating and often-fatal disorder.

>Gad.  Eating habits bring out as much conformity in people as sexual 
>orientation biases.

Afraid so.

		Kay (omnivore by inclination)
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:26:26 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Sep1.220929.19635@cbnews.cb.att.com> (soc.bi), eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
> 
> Ooo, yummy!  That last nibble--just shift it up a hair--oo, yeah, 
> that little neck spot, right there, um--careful, now, you just
> might have to start hoding me up.....

Or we could just sink gracefuly to the ground and continue this there.;-)
> 
> Escondido, huh?  Aren't there any soc.motssers in NJ??

New Jersy, sigh.  Honest I could have lived on the east coast too, but
no I had to stay in California.  "California is where all the free and
wild people are."  That's what they told me.  So why do I keep finding
all of these wonderful bis from the east?  Boy, its almost enough to
make me take my grandmother up on her offer of a place to live there in
New York.  Of course this would most likely lead to me being either in
the local looney bin or jail.  I dearly love my grandmother, but she
tends to drive me completely out of my mind.  And Elmira is not exactly
the culture capital of the world.

Chris (who is going off to her corner to sulk for a moment)
> 
> Piglet
> 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:01:52 GMT

In article <37904@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.145538.6983@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>+economic.  Libertarians are pro-social, pro-economic, "populists"
>+(and they must be thinking of Huey Long or Gerald L.K. Smith) are anti-
>+social, anti-economic.
>
>Then there's Chomsky.
>-- 
Hmm, my problem with Chomsky is his idea that if you give The People The Facts,
(e.g. get articles about East Timor in the newspaper), The People with react
with the proper emotion (i.e. Outrage), and replace the USA's evil foreign
policy with one that respects human rights all over the world.

While it does help to have a press that really tells you what's going on in
the world, I doubt that in every case The People are going to react the way
Chomsky wants.  The People grumbled loudly enough to keep USA troops out of
Nicaragua, but not enough to stop a covert war.

>
>John Clark
>jclark@ucsd.edu


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Annie@drbbs.omahug.org (Annie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Date: 05 Sep 92 22:53:12 CST
Reply-To: annie@drbbs.omahug.org
Organization: DRBBS Technical BBS, Omaha
Followup-To: soc.bi

In a message dated 04-SEP-92, Ciaran Mchale writes:

>>Well, I've been collecting responses to my .signature, and the response
>>has been generally positive, but not exactly overwhelming in volume.  I
>>know that some of the folks I know from the two TV/TS mailing lists and
>>IRC are actually against a newsgroup.  I, unsurprisingly, favour one.

I envision something IN ADDITION TO and NOT IN PLACE OF the stuff like
the existing mailing lists and all the Fidonet and TGnet stuff. There's
been talk of T*ism in so many newsgroups that I've lost count. I've also
lost count of how many times a TV-TS group has been proposed.
 
>>I would prefer to have a group in the main hierarchy but one question 
>>that has been raised is, "How many of the people who want a TV/TS 
>>group are willing to use their names and net addresses publically for
>>a vote?"  I don't yet know the answer.

I too would like to see a group in the main distribution, as some of the
anal-retentive sysadms think it's cool to censor the alt groups en masse.
Was there any problem getting enough public votes for soc.bi or soc.motss?
I'm sure some would be shy of posting their names on a vote list, but I'm
sure most of us (right?) would be willing to do it.
 
#bitchmode on
 
One thing that continues to amaze me about the T* community is the degree
of territoriality and sense of "turf" that exists in it. I've noticed it
consistently. Anyone who's been involved in the various groups over the
past 20 years certainly knows what I am talking about. I would think that
the T* people would like to abandon the stereotypically male behavior of
turf-guarding, but it's been going on as long as I can remember.
 
The only real objection to a TV-TS newsgroup here on Usenet has been that
some people involved with mailing lists do not want it. Unfortunately
(unless somebody can enlighten me with a more logical reason) I see this
as a turf issue as well, perhaps from concern that some readers and
posters will defect from the well-controlled list to the looser and more
convenient newsgroup.
 
#endbitchmode
 
From all of the personal feedback I've received, there's a lot of interest
in such a group. I'm sure there would be a lot of those who would lurk and
never post, but I can't see it suffering from disuse.
 
Oh well, enough for tonite. ...
 
Annie :)
 
ivgate!ptown!annie@uunet.uu.net         If that bounces, try
annie%ptown@ivgate.omahug.org

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:58:26 GMT

 sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
>>                    CHAIR OF BISEXUAL LITERATURE

>Still, I guess I can dream.  Course offerings for the Fall?  "Am(bi)valent
>Writers of the English Renaissance," "The Court Circle of Charles II," and a
>seminar on hermaphroditism.  And, of course, 20% of the final grade depends on
>"class participation."

With the article on hermaphroditism in Shakespeare's time, as relevant to his
comedies being obligatory? I can provide references - fascinating stuff about
a rather well-endowed serving maid who'd been sleeping with her lady getting
her gender reassigned as male in order to marry (irreversible assignation),
inter alia. And please remember your unbowdlerised texts of John Wilmot's
works - we will be covering the morality of frigging in the pastoral with
reference to Fair Cloris, as well as the darker poems such as the Disabled
Debauchee. A Ramble in St. James' Park and Signior Dildo are required reading.

Extra credit will be given for familiarity with the euphemisms and slang of
the texts studies, and for being able to perform the Fig Gesture correctly.

>Simon.

I think a joint chair is essential for such a crucial field. Simon?

Tanaqui
From: zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Colin's Beard
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

In article <memo.608850@cix.compulink.co.uk>, cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:

|> Awwwww, Colin.... come one down to Bath some time and I'll stroke that
|> lovely beard all night long for you... come to think of it, you could
|> come up to Edinburgh and Bethan could join in!!!

Okay - you've persuaded me.  When's the next train?

Hah! "persuaded" me - as if Clive'd ever have to "persuade" me to do anything!
(To paraphrase Sinead O'Connor)  If he said "jump in the river" I would, 
because it would probably be a good idea.  And he's cute with it, too!


|> +----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|> |Plans may be afoot to make a move up north    |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
|> |But it may be in Perth.... damn!!             |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
|> +----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
Yikes!  Perth?!  Isn't that inside the arctic circle?  (brrrr...)

Colin

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
   ... Blatantly Bisexual ...     | B3/4 f+ c g+(+) k(+) r s
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More fun photos
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:03:38 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>(Though none of STella with whip poised over Sara - didn't have the 
>camera that day <pout> - though Elaine and Sara did have theirs fortunately.)

Hee hee; I sure did ...

>Where to begin?

At the beginning.

>It's official!  We have proof of the sucessful hot tub record attempt
>Six bi's in a tub.

Yup, I've got one of those as well.

Copies of the key photos will go to interested parties in due course. 
Note the definition of "interested" is my own and means "those who I
say".  I have no plans to gif and distribute these pictures.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Geraldo show on bi-folk
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:37:46 GMT


In article <mgoZqB5w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
> > I want to thank Charles, Janice, and Lorraine for being brave bi activists.
> 
> Absolutely.  Hip Hip Hooray.  Really.  Too bad they didn't have a chance 
> to tell the real story.

Charles did a great job of articulating his points.  It seemed to *me* that the
audience was more baffled by the open marriage concept (or maybe more so the rules
that Charles and Janice have) than by their bisexuality.  Lorraine made a valiant
effort, but she was way over most of the audience's heads (lot of puzzled looks).
Three cheers!

> ...And to think I was really disappointed that I forgot to set my VCR and 
> missed the whole thing.  Now I think I'm glad I did. It would have been 
> so frustrating.....

A little frustrating because some of the issues were getting confused (ie. safe
sex, bisexuality, open marriages, etc.), but I thought it was worth a view at
least.  Bi the way Elizabeth, I do have it on tape if you wish to borrow it. :)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 15 Sep 1992 09:36:07 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <25843@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
->In article <1992Sep14.094816.49660@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
->>See, Tanaqui? Bi my reckoning there should be *several* chairs of bisexuality:
->>literature, history, sociology etc etc. Maybe even bisexual computer science?
->
->Not forgetting statistics, as taught by yours truly.
->
->Bisexuality and Probability Theory 101, Homework 1, Exercise 1:
->
->There are 6 bisexuals in a hot-tub.  Four are female, two are male.
->Select a couple at random, present them to Pat Buchanan.  What is
->the probability that he immediately dies of a massive coronary?

Hmm ... slightly vague question, since I think anything dealing with
bisexuality would give Pat a heart attack (therefore 100%) ... assuming you
mean what the probability is of pulling out a same-gender couple, which
would be 46.67% ... of course, as long as they had fun, who cares about
their gender?

->Mike (who will do up a proper exam in this stuff some day, as promised)

-roy, who wishes he was in NY to take Mike's class.
 (well, also because of other reasons).

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport       rsr@soda.berkeley.edu      wi.5836@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!" 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:09:07 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>>> I wonder if I should tell her I'm really gay not bi, it sounds like she
>>> could accept that much more easily. The only problem is it's not actually
>>> true.
>>
>>Jon, it sounds to me as if you've made great progress already.  To 
>>confuse things with a lie would just make it worse in the long run.  Give 
>>your mother time to adjust.  It sounds as if she's getting there.

I don't feel she is; I first came out to her last year, and still she tells
me that bisexuality is wrong and I should suppress it and be mono. It's
very frustrating that I can't get through on this; we're normally quite close.

>I agree with Elizabeth here.  Perhaps we should invite her to the next
>UK BiCon (Nottingham, next year) so that she could see for herself what
>nice people we are?

I shudder at the thought, given her condemnation of this year's BiCon (or
the "sort of people" who went to it). She wouldn't be interested, and she
doesn't seem to share the most basic concept of freedom of sexuality that
everyone else there would take for granted.

*sigh*


>Oh, and congrats on your bibiochemist! :)

Thanks, in fact it's 2 months _today_ since we first met in person, at
Dave's party!

Perhaps, in fact, I should thank soc.bi - Paul and I first got to know
each other by e-mail, over an article one of us posted to soc.bi, in one
of those trivial conversations which arise from usenet articles all the
time for many of us. It might never have happened without this group, so
*** thank you, the whole of soc.bi! ***


And to Paul - have another e-rose:
	--'-,-{@ 
...I love you loads! *HUG* *snuggle* *kiss* *lick* *ruffle* *kiss again*
...can't wait for next week!


Oops *blush* sorry folks... ;-)


//jon
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