From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 10 Oct 1992 16:05:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK) sez:
 
 
|In article <1992Oct8.132026.164741@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) writes:
|> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
|> >jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) sez:
|>
|> >[ stuff deleted ]
|> > 
|> >|Some more research would provide a better description than the above.
|> >|Briefly, they exist in the spiritual realms, which can be reached by
|> >          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                      
|> >|certain types of meditation (esp. yoga - yes yoga!), seances, ouija,
|> >|and other OCCULT practices.  BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
|> >|THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!
|> > 
|> >	Ah, but the "spiritual realm" does not exist. Please PROVE IT !
|                  
|    You go on about proof, why not try to disproove (sp?) it??
 
	(1) I know my spelling sucks (I am a dyslexic with no editor-
	    what is everyone else's exscuse :-)
 
 
        (2) Have you ever read the FAQ ? Let me put it this way, if I
	    said that Thor exists, could you disprove it. It's up to you
	    proove what you say. I cannot disproove a lot of things- heck
	    disprooving Jack Frost is a bit of a pain. If you where to say
	    that Jack Frost was real, it's your job to proove it, not mine
	    to disproove it.
 
 
|> 
|> I will also endevour to answer this in a later posting as well.
|> 
 
	Well....I'm waiting..
 
|> > 
|> > 
|> >|I know people who do like to blame every bad thing on demon possession.
|> >|I also disagree with this line of thinking.  Although there are cases
|> >|(probably quite a lot) where possession is responsible, I'm sure that most
|> >|problems are due to something else.  However, that doesn't mean that
|> >|Jesus can not help the situation, regardless of its cause.
|> > 
|> >	Jesus is dead, that would be like saying Sig Freud (spelling ?).
|> >How can a dead person help ? Dead people tend to be of little help, their
|> >DEAD, KAPUT, STILL, ACHIEVED ROOM TEMPERATURE, 6 FEET UNDER.I still say a 
|> >good shrink is better than a corpse
|> 
|> ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!
|   (fully agree!!!!!)
|> 
|> Jesus is not dead!  He died and was RAISED FROM THE DEAD.  He lives today
|> inside all those who accept Him as their Lord and Saviour.  This I KNOW!
|> 
 
     Jack Frost is never cold. He lives today and "paints" the frost on my
windows every winter. This I KNOW...can you disproove it !
 
 
 
	[REDUNDANT REHASH OF PASCAL'S WAGER..READ THE FAQ!]
 
 
| 
|  Me too! Listen to me, have you really RESEARCHED Jesus (ie. Read the Bible,
|read what people say about Him, Christian as well as others)? What is the reason 
|that people have drastically changed when they have come to know Christ?
|(eg. Saul Of Tarsus, and innumerable others) These are just a couple of 
|questions you should have asked before saying That you don't believe that
|Christ rose from the dead, or that there is a God. 
 
 
	What do I know.......I grew up in a Lutheran church..spent
5 years in a Lutheran school system, with a year dedicated to the OT
and another year dedicated to the NT.....I might know a little something.
Just because I am an atheist, don't presume I have no understanding of your 
religion.
 
	What is the reason that my friends life was changed  when he became
a Muslem, does that make Islam true ? I would be tempted to say in the cases
of some, it's in their head, but then I do not know what the deal is for 
everyone.
 
	My life got so much better once I stopped going to church and looked
at the world is, not how others or myself wanted it to be. Life has been
better since I gave up on the homophobic Lutheran church I grew up in...
 
	Being a former christian, I know the hole shpeal.....
 
	Now, since you propose the existence of demons and such......where
is your proof of the "spiritual realm" or "demons" or "soul" or "God" 
(which has yet to be defined, so if you could please define thise and other
things..) or "hell" or "Satan"... I would be VERY interested if you could even
proove SOME of these.....
 
 
 
|> Yours in Christ,
|> James.
|       and the DOK
 
-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
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