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From: troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo)
Subject: Re: Stallman and friends
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:25:57 GMT

From article <C0Esxu.2tA@newsserver.technet.sg>, by ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser):

> Stallman, himself, is very clear on his objectives: he wants a tax on
> computer hardware to subsidize software development. Hardly a selfless
> agenda.

Actually, it is a selfless agenda. Under this socialist system, programmers,
including Stallman, could be expected to receive much less money than under
the prevailing capitalist system. In fact Stallman could be doing extremely
well if he had adopted a more capitalist approach, such as mine - I prefer
to do coding for programmer tools which goes into the public domain, and thus
promotes further developement and open exchange of code. On the other hand,
I also write commercial applications which are sold to corporates and
government departments.

As I understand the FSF reasoning, even software designed for corporates
and government should be free. This part of the FSF philosophy I disagree
with. If I write something that helps a corporate or govt department make
more money, or reduce costs, I expect to get some financial reward for
myself.

On the other hand, when writing tools for other people to use to produce
better software, my reward is seeing others use those tools to do so, and
in being able to use the software they produce myself.

In the end, while Stallman's agenda is selfless, I think the inflexibility
of it and its insistance that all software regardless of nature and purpose
should be free makes it ultimately unacceptable, and hurts the purpose by
making enemies out of people who otherwise might support it. I, for one,
do not support the FSF agenda because of this, despite working on public
domain and GNU software myself.
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU	      Overworked, overcommited and always multitasking.
Opinions expressed are not those of the CBME or UNSW, but are my opinions only.
You are free to adopt them.   I suggest you adopt them.    You will adopt them!
From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Apple event questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:20:01 GMT
Organization: ASCI

In article <C0LM1r.F8z@news.udel.edu> kurisuto@chopin.udel.edu (Sean J. Crist) writes:

   Second question:  is the Apple Event Registry available through any ftp
   sites, or do I have to order a hard copy from APDA?

ftp.apple.com:/dts/mac/appleevents/registry.hqx, or some path vaguely
resembling the previous.

Bob
From: davidp@stealth.usc.edu (David Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Completion proc stuff
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:19:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: davidp@usc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.usc.edu



I wrote a network copy program and thought I'd be clever and chain completion
procs together to handle the I/O in order to keep the process invisible to the
rest of the Mac. ie: receive completion does a write, write completion does a
recieve, and the Mac still responds to me.

Well, it works great except that it hangs the machine for the duration of the
copy. The mouse still moves around the screen and events still get posted, but
they don't get processed until the copy is finished.

What gives? Do I have to suspend my completion proc chain momentarily to give
the system time to do other stuff? I thought that by doing things asyncronously
the I/O stuff would go on in the background leaving the machine free to handle
user events.

By chaining things together like that did I just create one monster interupt
routine, or does the rest of the system get time when I go through PBControl?

Did I screw up my code or my thinking? (or both)

If it matters, I'm going from MacTCP to the File Manager under 7.1.

-dave.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: Re: Sozobon (or other free C's): would this strategy work?
Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:13:05 GMT

ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Evans) writes a huge post about free C compilers:

In general, the strategy proposed is well though-out.  It has its
problems.  As Jon W*tte points out, pascal functions are nearly
indispensable for Toolbox work, since all the callbacks and dialog
procs require them.  This was a major headache when I did Harvest C.

Yes, the ability to keep original compiler ignorant and largely
unchanged is a good thing, but the ability to recompile itself is
not everything.  We must have at least some Mac features in the compiler,
and they are going to be tricky.

>MPW and APDA offer such excellent support.

Er.., uh.. yeah.  Sure they do. :-)

Someone else (sorry, forgot the name) countered the post with "Why not
port Gcc?"  Good points there too.  But how easy is GCC to port, really?...

Hard.  Stan Shebs and Co. have been working on porting gcc 2.x for quite
a while now.  This is an MPW port, so it will require MPW Asm, headers,
and libraries, not to mention the MPW shell.  The gcc 1.x port was similar,
also done by Stan Shebs.

[ Dead horse mode on ]

Any viable strategy would work if there were someone with time to put
into it.  No strategy at all will work if there is no one with free time.
Consider this a lament rather than a blame shift, since I myself don't
have the time to put into this.  Nonetheless, I would be more interested
in any strategy at all if someone (anyone) were seriously in the position
to commit time to doing this.  As it is, all our ideas, good and bad, are
going to have to continue rotting a while longer.  This is not meant as
a complaint at anyone.  It's simply unfortunate.

[ Dead horse mode off ]

Of course, choice of the strategy to take is not totally irrelevant.
Suppose I had lots of time to work on a free Mac C compiler, which strategy
would I choose?  Although the strategy given here has merit and appeal,
I would port Gcc.

-- 
Eric W. Sink, Spyglass        | "In all the earth, only humans have the ability
1800 Woodfield Drive          |    to be content in bad situations...
Savoy, IL  61826              |    and vice-versa."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: How does 16 bit color work?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:07:35 GMT

In <cshotton-110193133957@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) writes:

>How is 16 bit color implemented?

There's a tech note on it. Actually it's 15-bit color,
5 bits for red, green and blue (the uppermost bit is
unspecified)

This means that it's a direct, not indexed device, and
you can't do pallette animation.

Cheers,

							/ h+
-- 
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
   This signature is kept shorter than 4 lines in the interests of UseNet
   S/N ratio.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan)
Subject: Empty the trash in System 7
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:14:07 EST

I remember that there is a way to empty the trash can in a program (like a
toolbox call after saving a file but not enough memory occured).  But I
tried to look into IM vol.6 but couldn't find it in the finder interface
section.  Could someone give me some pointers?
Thanks.  Please send email to the above address.
-Jim
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 09:01:20 EST
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Thanks (Re message questions)

   Thanks to all for the info.  The mem limit was one of the two big
reasons for my platform migration. (Owning an SE/30 8/40 and an XT
after loosing access to the 386 was the other.)

   The Spellswell SDK sounds neat & I may get it, but here's a further
clarification of my problem:  it is a highly specific CAD application in
which menu selections (and potentially external text files) dictate the
layout of a photomask in MANN 3600 pattern generator format (OK - I'll
need to run it throught the VM/370 to get an EBCDIC 9-track tape :-(  ).
   The project:  Create, Edit and Display a pattern composed of up to
25,000 "flashes".  A flash is a rotated rectangle, which is defined by
X_cen, Y_cen, Wid, Len, Ang.  Allowing an area of 100 mm^2 and a resolution
of 0.1 microns --> a maximum flash dimension or position of 1,000,000,
thus long ints.  The potential data size is thus roughly 500,000 bytes.

   I was about to resort to (a) buying MS's 32-bit module for Win or
(b) using a linked-list approach with handles between blocks of data.
   It looks like the Mac will allow me to allocate my memory 5-10KB
at a time and combine the new and old block to a contiguous combined
block.  This eliminates the principal source of Win 3.x crashes -
excessive numbers of handles (sys heap full), since I'll never have
more than two handles to my data block!

   As to the scrolling issue...  If Win detects a mouse click in the
system portion of your window, it automatically filters it and returns
the appropriate message - either a button, menu_item or scroll message.
In particular, scroll tab "drag & drops", page moves and line moves
are all automatically generated system messages.
   But then again, I can write the filter routine once and use it in all
of my future app's, now can't I?

  Again, thanks.  I should be getting the compiler this week...

Jeff Andle
From: kevin@crash.cts.com (Kevin Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: BUG in CTableLabels?
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:30:32 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


  does anyone know of a bug in CTableLabels?  I have
run into one - and I don't know if it because I am failing
to do something.
 
  Basically the horizontal label bar fails to label anything
but the first column.

  Can anyone help me?

 -Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: How to make files invisible with sys7
From: bseaber@eis.calstate.edu (Ben Seaberry)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:37:26 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Is it possible to make a file invisible using system 7, (Macintosh). If
so, I would appreciate any assistance.

Thanks,
Ben
bseaber@eis.calstate.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Elric of Melnibone)
Subject: 1-2-3 and SoftwareFPU...
Reply-To: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Elric of Melnibone)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:37:37 GMT

I use SoftwareFPU on my LCII so that Studio 8 will run, but Lotus 123 seems
to be incompatible with it.  Is there any way around this, or are there any
other FPU emulators out there that don't cause this?

Thanks in advance,

--
|      Jason Braddy         "The only thing that stays the same...is change"  |
|  jlbraddy@iastate.edu                     Melissa Etheridge                 |
|    Computer Science        "Sometimes you kick, sometimes you get kicked"   |
|  Iowa State University                          INXS                        |
From: mvidlak@igis.tamu.edu (Michael Vidlak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Tax software?
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:37:29
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
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In-reply-to: tedcrane@cs.cornell.edu's message of Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:53:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.215344.6401@cs.cornell.edu> tedcrane@cs.cornell.edu (Ted Crane) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Path: tamsun.tamu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!rpi!batcomputer!cornell!tedcrane
   From: tedcrane@cs.cornell.edu (Ted Crane)
   Organization: Tompkins County Computing, Ithaca, NY
   References: <dnsurber.726417115@node_26400> <26540002@hpldsla.sid.hp.com> <86346@ut-emx.uucp>
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   In article <86346@ut-emx.uucp> miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) writes:

(Items Deleted)

   I was, and still am, pretty upset about Chipsoft's marketing, slow response
   to consumer complaints, and (possibly) empty claims of "improvements" to their
   products.  They add features which might make MacInTax easier to use for
   simple returns, but do not correct basic design and interaction problems that
   make MacInTax hard to use for longer returns.

I'm interested in knowing what basic design and interaction problems
MacInTax has that make it hard to use for longer returns. I will be
filing a complicated return this year and wonder if MacInTax will work
for me.

--
Michael Vidlak
  mvidlak@igis.tamu.edu
  mvidlak@cs.tamu.edu
From: sdkerpel@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Sven De Kerpel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Drawing program with publishing facilities
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:14:40 GMT
Organization: Info-Groep

Can anyone inform me about this. I'm looking for a drawing program which can 
use the system 7 publish and subscribe tools. (like MS Word and EXcell do)

Thanx.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.multimedia
From: smoliar@iss.nus.sg (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: multimedia data base systems
Summary: seeking vendor/distributor information
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:48:21 GMT

I just received word of two data base systems which are supposed to be good for
handling multimedia objects.  I would appreciate any information regarding
electronic mail addresses or FAX numbers through which I could get further
information.  One system is called Fulcrum.  The other is called Basis DM,
produced by a company called IDI.  Since we are working on a Macintosh
platform, my first concern is that Macintosh versions of the systems are
available.

--
Stephen W. Smoliar; Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore; Heng Mui Keng Terrace
Kent Ridge, SINGAPORE 0511
Internet:  smoliar@iss.nus.sg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ulrich@tpki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Subject: Streamer software for MAC and DOS
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 17:49:47 GMT


Hi,

I am looking for a way to exchange huge amounts of data via
tape between a PC and a Mac.

Does anyone know of a program that can read DOS-tapes on a Mac
or vice versa? Is there a TAR for the Mac?

Please reply via EMail since I can't always keep up with the
volume in this group. I promise I'll summarize.

Thanks in advance,

Ulrich
-- 
Ulrich Gall		ulrich@tpki.toppoint.de
2300 Klausdorf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: Re: Tax software?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:05:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.180641.14111@hou.amoco.com>, zmyd02@hou.amoco.com writes...
>In article 726417115@node_26400, dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber) writes:
>>I have used Mac_In_Tax since '86, but never again.  The '91 release was
>>so bug ridden and the support so pathetic that I will not give those jerks
>>a ChipSoft another cent.  The ruined a good product.  I will order
>>TaxCut just as soon as I get my W2s.

I have used MacInTax for two years, so that's one year with each firm. I did 
not have any real trouble last year filling out anything, and it was a
moderately complicated form. The only problems were that one minor form thought
it was unfinished and I couldn't figure out what was missing, even using the
built-in error checker; and that my home printer choked on the forms (it hasn't
really much memory--the printer, that is) so I had to go elsewhere (late on
April 15, when else?) to get it printed. 

It seems reasonable to give ChipSoft a chance; they only had the program for a
short time (< 1 yr, anyhow) before it was tax time and they _had_ to release
it. If there are problems this year, though, it's goodbye. 

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: fw_adams@LMSC.Lockheed.com (Frank Adams)
Subject: Re: Any major bugs in Word 5.1????
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Lockheed R&DD
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:36:30 GMT

In article <stevens-080193101915@voodoo.cs.colorado.edu>,
stevens@cs.colorado.edu (Curt Stevens) wrote:
> 
> I am considering the Word 5.1a upgrade (from 5.0a). Is there any reason NOT
> to get this upgrade? The cost is not really the issue for me. I am
> wondering if any of my old documents will "break" or if MS introduced any
> major bugs or other types of "brain damage" that didn't already exist in
> 5.0.

I have been using Word 5.1a for about a week, and have noticed one feature
that broke, though it had worked in Word 5.0.  I have an article stored in
two files which I set up as a file sequence, with the page numbers of the
second file continuing in sequence from the last page of the first file. 
Word 5.0 did this correctly both in printing and in table-of-contents
generation.  After I changed to 5.1a, table-of-contents entries for the
second file started over at page 1.  I could only get what I wanted by
manually specifying the starting page of the second file.  I did not check
whether the same error occurs when printing.

Frank Adams, fw_adams@LMSC.Lockheed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Looking for a C++ Compiler for the MAC
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:19:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.221458.7320@tc.cornell.edu> philip@vger.cheme.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.060830.2807849309@ultramac.uucp>, to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a C++ compiler for the MAC.  I know of Zortech but I am still
>>not sure that they still produce it.  Can someone tell me of any C++ compilers
>>for the MAC and where I can buy?
>
>ThinkC has a very good C++ implementation, and you can get it just about
>anywhere. BTW the current version is 5.0.3
> 

Current version is 5.0.4.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: einhorn_d@apsicc.aps.edu (E. Drew Einhorn)
Subject: Need Tallgrass Tape Backup/Restore Sftwr for IIci
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 00:31:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Arghhh!!  Borrowed a Tallgrass tape drive for the
weekend.  Need to backup hard disk, reinitialize
drive and restore.

Couldn't believe it when their Tape Software 2.78
said: "This program only works on a Mac Plus."
From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: StuffitDeluxe updater 3.0.2 ?
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:56:38 GMT
Organization: ASCI

In article <1993Jan8.192656.29772@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> npearl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nathan Y Pearlstein) writes:

   Anyway, when I downloaded the 3.0.3 updater and gave it to him, he
   said that it said that it could only update 3.0.2 to 3.0.3 My
   friend has 3.0.1, Anybody know where I can find the 3.0.2 updater.
   I tried archie and it said the only place was a site in Germany.
   When I tried that they only had the 3.0.3.

You sure about this?  I do remember quite distinctly that my StuffIt Deluxe
came with 3.0.0, and that the 3.0.3 updater I pulled from sumex updated it.

Bob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: zawr02@hou.amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson)
Subject: MacWrite Find and Change Question
Keywords: MacWrite, Find, Change, metacharacters
Reply-To: zawr02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:33:21 GMT


My apologies if this is a FAQ.

Using the Find and Change feature of MacWrite, how does one specify non-printable
characters?  Based on my experience with Unix, I tried \t (backslash-t) for tab 
and it worked, but \n (backslash-n) for newline did not.  Also, are there 
equivalents to the Unix regular expression metacharaters to signify that a string
occurs at the start or end of a line?  If these features exist, where would
one find a reference for them?

I am most likely to see replies by e-mail, though I will try to get back to this
newsgroup by week's end.  Thanks a million in advance.

Andrew Robinson
From: gt1086c@prism.gatech.EDU (Gregory Glockner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for a C++ Compiler for the MAC
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:57:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I heard these same rumors re: Think C++ from our campus Apple rep.

Meanwhile, I sincerely wish that Borland would come up with Borland
C++ for the Mac.  IMHO, my first impressions of Think C are not
favorable.  The Think C documentation is inferior; it took me weeks
to find the page that described how to convert Unix/DOS style command-
line parameters for the mac.  (My programs are sophisticated mathematical
routines with minimal interfaces).  For shame: the main reason many of
us use C instead of other languages is due to its portability.  If
the ANSI standard isn't properly supported, it is a pain in the ***
for me.  (I keep to ANSI C in my programs so that I may port them
to PC's and workstations).

Borland's on-line help has descriptions of *all* functions, along
with short example programs.

Not to mention, I cannot figure out if Think C has special constants
so that I may write:

#if _Think_

foo();

#endif

and have it work correctly on the different machines I use.  Borland
had this.

There were many fine reasons that drove me to choose a Mac over a PC
for my main machine.  Think C was not one of them.

----
Gregory Glockner                            glockner @ isye.gatech.edu
Graduate Research Assistant                  gt1086c @ prism.gatech.edu
Computational Optimization Center
School of ISyE, Georgia Inst. of Technology          (404) 634-8855 (h)
From: dl1@ukc.ac.uk (Duncan Langford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Latex > Word5 converter?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:19:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I've been asked if there is a Latex to Word5 and/or Word5 to Latex converter
for PC or MAC available. Archie hasn't come up with anything, but I
could be looking for the wrong name.

Does anyone know if such a beast exists?

- duncan
From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Tax software?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:50 GMT
Organization: University of Texas
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d10
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7734313E0019F2B@mac33.util.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:41:23 GMT

I dislike ChipSoft (MacInTax) because their advertising is deceptive. I
got a direct mail solicitation a month or two ago, that said something
very similar to "You can have MacInTax for $39.95." It was a lie...there
was a $4.50 s&h fee.

A couple of months earlier, they solicited me with a similar offer for
several different software packages, for "only $8 each." (It might have
been $10). Anyway, same lie...s&h of $4.50 for _each_ package.

I decided they are slimeballs.

And, of course, anyone who sticks up for ChipSoft is a paid provocateur
whose opinions should be ignored by all who read them  ;-)
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From: andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de (Andreas Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Archiving CD's ?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:14:31 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: harry.cs.tu-berlin.de

Is their a Shareware Program for archieving the directories of cd's available?
Sometimes I am searching for a program and do not know on which CD I saw ist.

Any hints?

Thanks in advance, andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de

From: elw@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eddie Williamson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:32:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Bible software for Mac?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO