HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Inclusion of expats in UK elections
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:26:13 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <1992Apr13.004613.11462@cc.uow.edu.au>, jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
|> 
|> Most expats who leave UK leave because they have had enough of the weather
|> and the crappy wages which seem to reward mainly middle men and ad execs.
|> Many could'nt give a toss who runs UK!
|> 
|> I think when the votes from expats are actually singled out, we will find
|> that only a fraction of those entitled could be bothered to make the effort.

There was a TV documentary a while ago on this subject. It basically
boiled down to the fact that the Tory party was very active amongst expats
in areas such as Spain/South of France in collecting rather large donations
towards campaigns etc. as well as drumming up support for elections. 

There are a surprisingly large number of expats eligible to vote and 
considering the small majority shown in some constituencies in the recent
election it suppose every vote helped them!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch 
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Why wait 5 years?
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:59:46 GMT

In article <STEVEW.92Apr13120006@mushroom.cs.man.ac.uk>,
stevew@cs.man.ac.uk (Steve Wallis) writes:
> Forward to a socialist society...

An oxymoron surely.

Simon.

  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
  2 Avenue De Vignate				Email: sp@gr.osf.org
  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
From: trevc@mips.com (Trevor Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Marmite in S.F. Bay Area?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 20:52:57 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tecate.mips.com

In article <1992Apr13.173752.26498@novell.com> rbailey@wc.novell.com (Robert Bailey) writes:
>This may be a FAQ, I don't usually read this group... 
>
>I have a friend who is having serious Marmite withdrawal problems. Is
>there a place in San Francisco, or nearby, where she can get some?
>
>Thanks
>Robert Bailey
>rbailey@wc.novell.com
>
>
I used to get mine at the British Market, 363 State St., Los As
Tel (415)941 1141. They also have a branch at 100 N. Santa Cruz Ave., Los Gatos
Tel: (408)395 6686
There is also a British store in Campbell, on Campbell Ave near Tomas Aquino Rd
if my memory serves me correctly.
Warn your friend though, it costs about 5 times the normal UK price!
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Simple message
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:43:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.080132.8373@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
(Michael Traub) writes:
> >	Students rarely own houses, have wives and 2.2 children, etc.  It's
> >difficult to extrapolate from the typically rather bizarre student patterns
> >of expenditure to what people spend when they have responsibilities and a
> >steady job.  How much do you think your expenditure on luxury goods would
> >decline *now* if your income were slashed by 97%?
> >
> It wouldn't change at all. I have all the luxury goods I require already
> (and I bought most of them while I was a student).

I suspect that you are an exception. Most students can't afford luxury
goods (and if they can then this is a good argument for getting rid of
student grants!).

Simon.

  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
  2 Avenue De Vignate				Email: sp@gr.osf.org
  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: British Bill: of Rights? of Goods?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:01:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Summary: hear!

In article <jg1c8oc@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com
(Jon Livesey) writes:

> Finally, I think there is something to be said for knowing that
> ones liberties are uncodified and constantly liable to revision 
> unless one is careful.

An excellent point.  Without a citizenry that will balk, possibly
even revolt, at the loss of liberties, "sacrosanct" pieces of paper
have little meaning.  I also think your comparison of "irregular"
financing of executive operations between Charles I & Rex Ronnie
very apt.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: troyer@ips.id.ethz.ch ( Matthias Troyer)
Subject: ACCOMODATION IN BLACKPOOL
Organization: ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:57:04 GMT


We plan to participate in this year's British Open
Championships in ballroom dancing in Blackpool. Can
anyone help us with finding accomodation. We have
never been to Blackpool and don't know any place
to stay. It shouldn't be too expensive and if
possible not too far from Wintergardens.

Thanks in advance

Matthias



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From: tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:39:24 GMT
Subject: Re: BRITISH CONUMER REPORTS?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

Yes. "Which?" magazine published by The Consumers' Association produces 
	- an annual report of most common cars (in June or July)
	- occasional more detailed reports of several cars in a give class
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US Permanent Residency
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:30:36 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr15.235241.26945@tcsi.com> vgore@tdwfs5.tcs.com (Vipul Gore) writes:
>
>Does anyone know how much time (approx) does a British Citizen take to obtain
>his Permanent Residency in United States after his Labour Certification?
>
>Replies to   vgore@dweft.tcs.com
>
>Vipul Gore

It depends at least partly on what part of the country you are in;
some INS offices are backed up much further than others. It is very
difficult to any definitive word on these sorts of things.

Paul
From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rampant paranoia (was Voting slips: what happens to them,DANGER!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:11:40 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <1992Apr8.165248.3518@bcrka451.bnr.ca> alanbu@bnr.ca writes:
>Noone has stated that they modify their voting because of knowledge of
>such things.

Sorry - allow me to be more explicit.  When I first started working I
worked for a military supplier, and expected to continue finding
contracts for which I would have to keep a security clearance.  Until
I decided that the work I was doing was against my conscience, I
did not vote and never posted any political views on the net.

Since then I've decided I will not work on military projects again
and have started exercising my democratic right to vote.  I believe
most people working in defence in Britain who would not wish to
vote for one of the three mainstream parties behave similarly.

Graham
--
From: colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: News from Ambridge (was Re: Gas stoves)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: colin@cs.uq.oz.au

Can I add my lone cry to this appeal? 
	- Are Sid and Kathy still in flagrante? 
	- Has Mr. Archer's pig (Freda?) popped her clogs? 
	- Is Ruth still sexually discriminated against by her hubby?
	- Has Mrs. Snell been the victim of a serial killer yet?

Once a week (Sunday mornings, say, from 10.15 to 11.15) would be nice and
traditional.

Many Thanks.

Colin Millerchip.

________________________________________________________________________
|Colin Millerchip           | "And all this science I don't understand,|
|University of Queensland   |  It's just my job five days a week"      |
|colin@cs.uq.oz.au          |   - "Rocketman", Elton John              |
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--
________________________________________________________________________
|Colin Millerchip           | "And all this science I don't understand,|
|University of Queensland   |  It's just my job five days a week"      |
|colin@cs.uq.oz.au          |   - "Rocketman", Elton John              |
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:59:10 GMT
	<PLUMMER.92Apr10085146@tulum.cs.swarthmore.edu>
	<1992Apr10.163753.5602@bristol.ac.uk> <1992Apr10.193459.1828@osf.org>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Apr10.193459.1828@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:

   Then I would patiently explain that, like a half bath, the words have
   different meaning on different sides of the Atlantic, and in fact Britain
   outlawed a Poll Tax, American sense, in 1918, and it's a per-person local
   government levy, highly regressive.

"Poll" in "Poll tax" means "head", not "vote". This was the original
meaning of the poll tax in the 14th Century, too. Paying tax on the
number of heads you have  :-)

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA
	<PLUMMER.92Apr10085146@tulum.cs.swarthmore.edu>
	<1992Apr10.163753.5602@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.163753.5602@bristol.ac.uk> smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

PS> In article <PLUMMER.92Apr10085146@tulum.cs.swarthmore.edu>
PS> plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:

>Is that 77.5% of those on the roll, or 77.5% of the voting-age
>population.  

PS> An obviously American question.  It's a bit of an oversimplification,

Ouch!  I have obviously been away from home too long!

-- Dave
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From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:21:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.185424.10858@husc3.harvard.edu>, koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes...
>In Britain all soda seems to be referred to as "cokes". Probably because
>they havent been inundated with all the stuff we have here like sprite,
>7-up, root beer, cream soda, etc.etc.
> 
>But soda, soda pop, and soft drink I think often have regional uses
>in the US.

Well, everyone I know calls 'em soft drinks, I haven't come across a
British person yet who would call a Sprite a Coke - it just doesn't make
sense.

Oh and I think you'll find we have most soft drinks, 7-Up, Cream Soda,
Sprite, Cherry Coke, etc., etc.,
_and_ we have British brands as well, like Tizer,Dandelion & Burdock
and Iron Brew. We don't have root beer in the UK because it tastes like
floor wax or the stuff you rinse you mouth out with at the dentists and 
the British aren't quite as fond of bad food as the US - with the
obvious exceptions of Haggis, Sausages, Black Pudding and Beef Faggots (don't
even ask).

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm
From: bralick@oberon.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland and alledged British propaganda
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:12:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.$#5H6nqo6
Organization: Self-similar

In article <1992Apr12.041801.26343@cc.uow.edu.au> jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
| 
| The fact that your friend is in the USA and not working for a better 
| Ireland is a statement in itself. For as long as anyone can remember 
| Ireland's biggest export has been it's brightest and best young people.

Just to clarify, my friend's parents both emigrated from Ireland, not 
Northern Ireland.  My suggestion focuses mainly on peaceful actions 
available to Catholics in Northern Ireland without embroiling Ireland 
(or the Church, for that matter) directly in the controversy.


Regards,

--
Will                          \ Society cannot exist unless a controlling power
       bralick@cs.psu.edu      \ upon will and appetite be placed somewhere,
                                \ and the less of it there is within, the more
with disclaimer; use disclaimer; \ there must be without.   --   Edmund Burke
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: DESIRED election stats (was Election stats)
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:

>This should satisfy anyone's thirst for statistics (if not drown them)...


Thanks for the stats but 
what about statistics on the following.  How many MP's belong
to the following groups
   1 disabled  - important because they then have direct experience 
                 of the problems caused by disability.
   2 athiests & humanists - Kinnock is openly an athiest but how many
                 other MP's are.  The more there are the harder it will
                 for some Christian to impose Christianity on others
                 eg sunday trading, blastphamy laws.
   3 science or engineering backgrounds - important for ensuring that
                 those MP's who sit on committees concerned with science
   
                 and technology have a good understanding of the subject.
   4 homosexuals - if there are no homosexuals in parliament (or rather 
                   MP's who do not hide they are homosexuals) it is easier
                   for governments to pass laws against them.

>---* matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi *------------------* Matthew Faupel *---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:36:54 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<34376@ttidca.TTI.COM> <1992Apr9.164658.15289@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Apr9.164658.15289@wpi.WPI.EDU> mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:

   Well, it's not necessarily the flour we use as much as the recipe for 
   the bread.   My husband spent some time touring England and has since spent
   several years trying to match the bread he ate there.   After hundreds of
   recipes and many many cookbooks, he finally found a bread recipe that does
   *not* use sugar.   Removing the sugar makes the bread come out much closer
   to the European breads he remembered.   Apparently sugar aids in rising
   and making the bread into the bubblegum stuff sold in the US groceries.
   Stuff lasts forever too since sugar is a type of preservative.

Ever since I arrived in America I've been wondering why they (you?)
put sugar in bread. It really does make bread unpleasant to eat. I've
been a bread fan all my life; the way my parents tell it, I was given
a hunk of bread when I was first brought home from the hospital. It's
a wonderfully versatile substance for small children: you can squash
it into interesting shapes, you can insert these shapes into any
orifice, you can throw it across the room, you can use it as
scribbling paper, or make masks out of it, and when you've finished,
you can even eat it.... But American mass-market bread is disgusting.
Most bakeries here do _some_ sorts of bread without sugar, and these
taste great (or at least acceptable). So why do it?

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu

PS: Vote early, vote often.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Simple message
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:00:08 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr8.175318.7230@maths.nott.ac.uk> anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>In article <NICKH.92Apr7104655@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU
>(Nick Haines) writes:
>
>>   >Person B will probably be spending the extra money on a mortgage, something
>>   >which has no VAT levied on it.
>>
>>	   He or she may well be spending a lot more on a mortgage, but only
>>   the interest on 30K is tax-free, so the chances are that person B is
>>   paying more than 10 times as much tax on this spending.  [You're right
>>   in that it isn't actually VAT, of course.]
>>
>>Erm, no. Mortgages have no VAT levied on them. The fact that one can
>>reclaim income tax on the interest for the first #30k means that
>>`rich' people (ie those with houses) are paying even _less_ tax, but
>>is independent of the fact that that money is not liable to VAT, and
>>that therefore people with big mortgages are spending a smaller
>>fraction of income as VAT.
>
>	OK, I explained myself badly.  Michael's person B was hypothetically
>on 10 times person A's income.  Person A pays no tax on the income out of
>which he pays his mortgage;  person B does.  Therefore, person B pays
>[on this slice of his income] proportionately more tax than A.

This is wrong. This glibly assumes person A bought a house less than 30,000
pounds, impossible in most of the country now.

>Nothing
>to do with VAT, unless you think that B spends so much on his mortgage
>that he is proportionately less able than A to spend money on VAT-rated
>items. [Michael seemed to be claiming that B probably spends more than
>90% of his disposable income on his mortgage, which doesn't seem very
>likely to me.

Nor would it seem likely to me, but then you just made that bit up.
Please don't attribute something to me which I did not say.

>I would expect, rather, that people with mortgages spend
>a broadly similar percentage on them right across the income range, in
>which case the effect is that seriously rich people can't afford to buy
>houses in proportion to their income.  I pass no comment on whether or
>not this is desirable.]

This is such a laugh, are you really so disassociated from the real world?

Just in case you really are, people on low incomes spend a far higher
proportion of their salary on mortgages than people on higher incomes.
This is fact, if you don't believe me check with your building society.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 19:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.053757.23826@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:

>I rejected phallo-centrism long ago ....

On the other hand, the vocabulary of many of your postings suggests that
you have yet to reject vaginocentrism.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Les vrais paradis sont les paradis
mnemonic@eff.org | qu'on a perdus."
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |          --Marcel Proust
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: "Gone away"? (Wisdom Publication)
Keywords: mail, Wisdom Publication, buddhism
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:56:25 GMT
Organization: Lysator Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden

The other day I got back a letter I had tried to send to this address:

Wisdom Publication
23 Dering Street
LONDOND W1R 9AA
ENGLAND

A pink slip was attached to the envelope saying: Undeliverable item.
The reason stated is "Gone away". What exactly does "Gone away" mean
in this context? Does it mean the publisher has moved? Or maybe went
into bankruptcy? Under the preprinted words gone away there are two
short lines of illegible scribble. Is that scribble supposed to
contain any meaningful information? Should I get out my Holmes glass?

Any ideas as to how to obtain the correct address of Wisdom
Publications? It is a publisher concerned with Buddhist books.

--Ceci

--
=====ceci@lysator.liu.se===========================================
"Words of more than one syllable, not stressed on the last syllable,
do not double the final consonant, unless it is l, when a suffix
beginning with a vowel is added,..." From The Oxford Guide to English Usage
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.155534.518@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>Candidates in UK elections are selected by the local branch of
>their party, not by the party nationally.
>
No - the local selection comittee makes recommendations. The central
party office normally accepts these recommendations, but not always.
Sometimes central office insist on supplying their own candidate.
It just looks much, much better if local and central choices match.
If a locally-nominated candidate does not receive official blessing
he (or, of course, she) can still stand as "Independent Conservative"
or "Independent Labour" or as anything else that springs to mind, but
the only way a candidate can receive the cachet of official approval
is from the central party headquarters.
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: News from Ambridge (was Re: Gas stoves)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:38:37 GMT
	<1992Apr12.170353.4784@osf.org> <707@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

How about a regular Archers update for those of us beyond the reach of
the LW transmitter? Weekly/fortnightly would do.

:-)/2

Nick Haines nickh@cs.cmu.edu
From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Victory V lozenges
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:26:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.190952.10860@husc3.harvard.edu>,
 koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes...
>YOu called for some British culture by mentioning food.  Does
>anyone know of shops around the Boston area that are accessible
>by public transport where I can get some PIMMS and chocolate
>digestives and some chocolate hob nobs?
> 
>thanks.

All that brilliant beer, stout, scotch and whiskey and all you can ask
is where to buy that awful upper-class Pimms - shame on you!
Why not ask where you can get a bottle of Glenfiddich or a pint of
Newquay Steam Bitter? Packet of choccie biccies would be welcome down
here as well though, specially Hob-Nobs...

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

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