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From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: Exercising While Pregnant
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.165117.12270@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
> Clare,
> 
> There are some researchers who have done studies on extremely
> athletic women who get pregnant and exercise throughout the pregnancy
> up until birth day.  Each researcher has concluded that if a
> women who exercises with a daily exercise regiment continues this
> regimen throughout her pregnancy, monitoring her heart rate and 
> watching that she doesn't get too heated, does not suffer nor does
> the baby suffer.
> 
> My wife and I are pregnant with our third.  My wife is an avid 
> exercise person who runs on average 4+ miles every day and has done
> this for the past 13 years.  ... 
> allen

Wow, wow, and double wow!! After completing nearly 3 months of virtually
no exercise because I had zero energy, I cannot comprehend such a regimen.

I'm certainly not in the kind of shape as Allen's wife (nowhere near!), but
I used to feel the physical need for exercise and vigorous activity every
couple days. After being pregnant just a few weeks, I ceased walking to/from
work because I would feel pooped instead of invigorated upon arrival. A few
weeks after that I got to the point that all I could do was lay around all
evening and then retire to bed a couple hours early. My body was telling me
"forget the exercise, let's just be as lazy as possible". Maybe if I had
forced myself to exercise, I would have felt better, but I seriously doubt it!
Now I'm starting to feel more like exercise and even did aerobics yesterday.

So I'm wondering how even a truly fit woman can get through early pregnancy on
the same exercise schedule? I can't imagine it. Of course, everyone's
physiology is different, and the mind has a huge effect on energy level and
such. Still, though, I am amazed...

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
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From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Subject: Re: Do dcotors still spank newborns?
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:08:48 GMT

In article <Bz9ouB.Ips@inews.Intel.COM>, vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
|> My girlfriend and I were talking a few days ago and she asked if I had a
|> preference as to whether or not I wanted my baby spanked after birth.  I
|> had just assumed that doctors are no longer performing this practice as
|> no one seems to comment on it.  Is this an outdated practice or do doctors
|> still do this?  If so, is it really necessary?

>And Richard van de Statdt <stadt@cs.utwente.nl> writes:
>As far as I know, the newborn has to cry to activate her/his lungs. If (s)he 
>doesn't cry by her/himself the doctors will spank the newborn. But you don't
>really think the newborn will suffer from it, do you?
 
 According to the Pediatrician present at the birth of our son
 (C-section requires a Ped to be present), our son didn't seem to "want"
 to cry or breathe.  They need to startle the baby so the baby gasps for
 air.  Spanking is one method, but our Ped prefers shaking lightly to get
 that first big gasp for air.  The Ped said most babies take a breath
 without need of encouragement and if the baby is crying they are most
 certainly breathing.

 Mary Curtis - mom to Michael (21 months today!)
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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:36:24 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <ykLsVB1w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us>, bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
> 
>> Could someone tell me (without emotion) that why is it better to return
>> a child to to its bio-parents if the parents can not be helped (ex: on
>> drugs) or will not accept help (ex: "We have done nothing wrong", "no one
>> is going to tell us how")
>> 
>> Why do these experts feel that this is better that a subsitute family
>> that cares ? Is the bio-attachment more important in a child then his
>> or her family environment.
> 
> I don't know for sure if you're asking the right question, Pete. What I
> see is an almost bizarre conflict of interests at play, and not the one
> you're asking about.

I ran into exactly this problem with a girl that I know.  I am her volunteer
advocate, she was in foster care, doing pretty well, I visited once or twice
a week, we went on outings, she came to my house and visited.  Then the case
worker decided to try to place her back with family.  She was given to her
older half-sister, custody was legally transferred and the sister appointed
guardian.  Within six weeks the sister had gotten angry at her and locked
her overnight in a freezing attic in November (no coat, no blankets) as
'punishment for smarting off'.  After that, the girl was bounced back and
forth between friends of the family and the local court system which claimed
it had no place to put her at all.  Eventually she was placed in the local
Childrens' Home where she immediately ran away.  It's been 10 months, she
still is in the Childrens' Home, she still runs away about once a month or
so.  She has at times, been on the street for two or three weeks at a time.
Once she was in the local city as a prostitute.  
I am heavily against the state mandate to place children back in the family,
too often I see big problems.

Sue

> 
> The only agencies which CAN take a child from it's parents are those of
> the government. If I were to stab at the answer, it would be that the
> agencies have two constraints. One legal/constitutional, and the other
> fiscal.
> 
> I won't try to enumerate any constitutional argument here, because the 
> law has some twists and turns to it that make it kind of difficult to 
> describe. Between state and federal forces, things can get pretty weird.
> 
> Moneywise, it's cheaper to return the child "when possible." Even if
> the parents have to be monitored, that's still cheaper than the costs
> of a combination of agencies providing services.
> 

In this girl's case, the county was acting merely to cut costs.


Sue
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Distribution: na
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <1gqi2dINN8q2@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:

> We don't have any stairs in the house, so the danger aspect simply
> didn't apply.

Paula,

I think your assumption that all walker accidents are stair related is
incorrect.  

We borrowed a walker a couple times and Max loved it.  I took him to a
vacant basketball court and let him go to town.  One of the wheels
caught in a small crack in the pavement and he came to an abrupt
jolting stop.  So much for my best efforts to safely use the walker.

I do not believe my experience to be unique.  Many infants, not yet
able to walk (or even sit up) can get around in a walker at a
surprising speed.  They do not have the sufficient neck strength to
deal with a walker tumble/crash.

I have mixed emotions with regard to the ban.  I believe the AMA's
only motive is to stop the accidents.  They know they can't do it with
warnings and education so they want to remove the object of danger.  On
the one hand I feel like we (the parents) are being treated like
children (with dangerous objects being put out of our reach) on the
other I worry about the children being hurt.

Regards,
Sam Reynolds
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How Much, and How Often for solids/finger food
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	Once a baby has started on solids, how much of his daily feeding
should they become?  How quickly do you move from the "stage 1" foods to
the other stages?   I heard that they only need two cups of milk/formula a
day.  Is this correct and how quickly do you cut down on the milk feedings
and put solids?  Do I increase solids by adding more solid feedings?  Right
now I try to feed him til he gets fussy and an indication of when he is
full.  To get in more solids, I'd have to add more solid feedings?  He
has two bottom teeth right now.  Should I try finger foods now or progress
thru the different "stages" first?
	I thought I saw this question recently but never saw any replies.
I have a 6  month old that I started on solids last month.  He goes for his
six month check up Friday and I thought I'd see what the consensus was
versus what his pediatrician recommends.
	He gets cereal, fruit and vegetables once a day at different times.
He likes to hold the bowl and grab at the spoon when its in his mouth.  He
had a reaction to sweet potatoes but seems okay with rice cereal, bananas,
carrots, squash, and peaches.
	Now  he's eating cereals, some vegetables and some fruits.  He usually
east about 4 tbsp  of cereal, 1/2 to 1 jar of vegetables, and 1/2 to 1 jar
of fruit a day.  He breast feeds in the morning, has cereal around  10,
vegetables around 12:30, 4-6 oz breast milk around 2:30, 4 oz milk around
4, breast milk around 5, fruit around 6:30, breast milk around 8.


	Thanks for the info	
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:30:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.230321.5344@dsd.es.com> ksouth@dsd.es.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>, ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>> ...
>> but my argument against it is that it is a medically unnecessary procedure.
>> It is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons. And for me that is not
>> a good enough reason to invoke such a procedure on babies.
>> 
>
>Interesting. Boy can I think of medically unnecessary procedures that are
>done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: face lifts, nose jobs, tummy
>tucks, breast inserts. I can think of uncomfortable non-medical procedures 
>that are done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: wearing makeup, heels,
>pantyhose, ties (for men), shaving ones legs (who hasn't cut themselves 
>rather badly at least once), having ones hair highlighted or permed. 

  These are done with consent on the part of the victim, er patient...
					  ^^^^^^^
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:48:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1gt1jnINNis1@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes...
> 
>In article <1992Dec17.235439.23455@chiton.ucsd.edu>, martin@chiton.ucsd.edu 
>(Martin Olivera) writes:
> 
>Anyone wishing to have a son circumcized should call around to find a
>circumcision specialist who has the parents hold the baby for the operation, and
>uses a local anesthetic. Under these circumstances, the baby does not complain
>much, and what complaining he does do has to do with having the clothes off or
>being held still, not being hurt.
> 

I heard (on the infamous Dr. Dean Edell show) that lidocaine, 
which is what they usually use, can damage ear nerves in infants.

Other anesthetics probably have other complications.

- Peggy -
From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You know you are the mother of a premie when ...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:54:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu


You know you are the mother of a premie when you find yourself complaining
during the the 4:00 am pumping (so they can feed your son through a tube
like he was a snake) that at this rate you are more likely to develop a
let-down reflex at the sight of your vacuum cleaner than your child.


(Things have gotten much better since then.  I'm still pumping lots, but
he's nursing too.  He was last tube-fed last weekend and he came home
this Tuesday.  We are very, very lucky.  I will officially run off at the 
mouth on a birth story and NICU experiences later.  For the moment,
attempted breast feeding, pumping, napping, cuddling, and eating takes
up most of my time.  

Those of you who have sent me personal mail, I really appreciate it.  The
mail sent before I had the baby helped me get through the bedrest, 
and the congratulations were heart-warming.  Please forgive my being
very, very behind in processing my email.)
--
Tracy Larrabee		larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu

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From: glenda@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Glenda F. Andre')
Subject: Re: Holiday Childproofing
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:36:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.202442.21514@netwise.com> kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch) writes:
>
>The playpen rails made a very good little fence around the tree, so
>the babies could get up to it, but not quite all the way to get hurt or
>break anything.  All of our visitors thought it was quite humorous that
>we had the tree inside the pen, instead of the baby.  Provides quite
>a conversation piece!
>
My mom did this for a while also after my younger sister (then 2) pulled
the tree over unto herself.  After a year of so of the play pen (she needed
it for the new baby) we just got a small tree and it was placed on a table
that was high enough that the current littles (I'm the oldest of 6) couldn't
reach it.  Once the youngest reached an age that she could be trusted not to
bother the tree we started getting big ones again.  Now with just Mom and Dad
at home and having the family get to gether at another sister's house Mom
has a small artifical tree that is set up on her desk with a train track
around it and all the fragile things that can be set up under a tree that
take up the space needed for presents.

I didn't have any problems with my kids bothering the tree.  By the time
the first Christmas came around where they were mobile enough to worry about
it, they already knew that when Mommy said that that wasn't to be touched
they didn't touch it.  We don't believe in baby-proofing the house, we
house-proofed the babies.  They learned at a very early age that certain
things were not for little people to play with and so didn't.

Glenda Andre'  mother of Damon 3/12/84 and Staci 8/22/87

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:09:00 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7560ECBCA01D603@260-3l-mac3a.wdl.loral.com>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:02:35 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

In article <1075.9212171344@bonzo.xylogics.com> Dena Rollo,
rollo@xylogics.com writes:

>Well, I seem to have stepped on a lot of (both
>male and female) toes with my recent diatribe
>about men using the phrase "my wife and I are
>pregnant". I have a habit of thinking that strong
>reactions to something on my part necessitate
>strongly stated opinions - and that they be
>stated as immediately as possible (i.e., without
>calming down first)!
>
>So, I apologize - I accept that different things
>resonate differently for different people.
>
>*I* still feel as I do - that such usage is trivializing
>of my experience. But if you and your partner
>feel differently - go ahead. I certainly didn't
>advocate *prohibiting* anyone from using the
>phrase - just suggested (strongly :) that they
>think about alternative ways of expressing
>their partnership.

So why is that now that my wife is physically the bearer of the nutrition
to our unborn child, and I bear the other responsibilities such as doing
all the cooking, cleaning, driving her around, taking on all the duties of
Jonathan (3 yo), etc (except for the cuddling time with mommy), etc...

To me, that must mean that I am sharing the pregnancy issue with her,
because if she wasn't physically supporting the child, we split the
household responsibilities 50/50 or more depending on who needs the rest
more at the time.

I guess I would agree that physically, Kathy is the pregnant person, but
emotionally and otherwise, we both are, and I'm quite proud of it! (Ok, I
did have something to contribute at the beginning of this episode :-) ).

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| -+-  hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com -- Kathy's Hubby & Jonathan's Daddy  O O |
|  |    BTW: LORAL doesn't have anything to do with my opinions.    v  |
|  |               I came up with them all on my own.              \_/ |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: it's happened again, or why mom's hair is turning gray
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:28:11 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

In article <11DEC199213025674@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>Well, here it is two weeks until Christmas, and it has happened
>again. My daughter wants fake spiders from santa. Yeah, right,
>they're easy to find this time of year (not!). My son, yesterday,
>asked for a teddy bear ring. I had no idea what that was, until
>his sister appeared this morning at breakfast with one on - she
>must have gotten it at a birthday party or something. I have no idea
>where to look for one, and really hate shopping in toy stores
>this late in the season.
>
> I guess I am not looking so much for advice
>as commiseration. Does this happen to anyone else?
>                        Patti Twigg

OK.  Here is commiseration:  Laura Jean's third birthday is tommorrow
(Dec. 12).  Three weeks ago we asked her who she wanted to invite to
the party.  One of the girls I know is around her size and age at her
school is named Rachel.  I ask Laura Jean if she wanted to invite
Rachel to her birthday party.  She replied an emphatic "NO".

Invitations went out... and as you might guess... Yesterday Laura Jean
announces that she "really want to invite Rachel to my Birthday"(party).

Sigh...  Oh well maybe next year...

Jeanetha - Mom to Gregg(19) and Laura Jean(almost 3)


-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:19:03 GMT

In article <4062@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
and In article <TIGGER.92Dec12220442@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:

(Concerning how their daughters were always self-feeders, and their sons
wanted mush until a very late age)

This was true with my kids too.  We are actually reaching a point where
Anna is almost as facile with eating (even with utensils) as Tim, and there
is almost three years difference between the two!  Anna started feeding 
herself Cheerios about one week after we started her on cereal.  We
finally totally gave up on baby food at about 8 months.  Tim had baby
food until well over a year.

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nebulai@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeannette Laughlin)
Subject: Re: Baby's Movement
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:45:56 GMT

masmith@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Margaret Smith) writes:


>I am now 19 weeks pregnant and still have not felt the baby kicking.  Is this anything to worry about?  Most of my friends have felt their baby move at 16 weeks.


I felt my baby kick for the first time at 4 1/2 months.  My mother said that
she felt me kick for the first time at around 12 weeks or so and then didn't
feel me kick again for another 3 weeks or so.  


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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: slow talker
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.112437.62102@cc.usu.edu>, slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes...
>In article <1992Dec15.203541.196@Princeton.EDU>, Lisa S. Lewis
><lisas@pucc.princeton.edu> writes:
>> Anyway, please trust me that a child who is over three and not talking
>> has a developmental disability of some sort, in all probability.  Early
>> intervention is critical.  A child who is using his own hand signals to
>> communicate wants desperately to do so...I hope they will help him to
>> find a better way to communicate.  It is possible that he has a problem
>> with integrating sensory input, or that it is primarily a motor problem
>> (whereby the mouth can't form the words that the brain wants to.) 
> 
>     While I'm not saying you're wrong in this case, you're wrong in
>general.  I have one uncle who did not talk at all until he was 4.  He
>had no actual problems.  He simply did not begin talking until then.
> 
>     Yes, I know it's only anecdotal evidence.  And the first sentence
>of the above quote does say "in all probability."  But statements like
>that can lead to overreacting.
>-- 
   As  the mother of a child with developmental delays, I don't
think that taking a child in for an evaluation, by someone
other than a general pediatrician, is overreacting. To the contrary,
waiting too long because 'Einstein did not speak until he was 5',
can be harmful. Early intervention is key for these kids. Waiting
until they are older can be very harmful.
                            Patti Twigg
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:27:39 GMT

Dena Rollo writes
> So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
> being part of the team?

I would go for the accurate "(Name of baby) is due" or, "Our baby is  
due".  I also feel it's silly to explain who is pregnant (unless it's  
not obvious for various reasons).

I say give credit where credit is due.  When it comes to saying who  
helps a woman have the baby, then credit should go to those who help.   
This could mean anyone.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Understatements they make (2.5YO)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:26:53 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

     Yesterday Michael was drinking Kool-Aid.  Jen gave it to him in a
sipper cup, but left the lid off at Michael's insistence.  No problem,
he's reasonably well-coordinated, we figure.  Well, he shifted his
attention, then looked back down at his feet as cherry Kool-Aid poured
onto the kitchen floor.  After I got him to stop pouring, he said in a
nice calm voice, "Need da id on." 
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