HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Which one of these quarterbacks should get the Heisman
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:26:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov12.232608.418
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


		Comp Att Pct  Yards Yard/Game TD
	QB A    176  308 57%  2084    232     11
	QB B    137  261 52%  1823    217     13

Above are this years' stats of two of this country's finer college quarterbacks.
One is recognized as the leader in the race for the Heisman Trophy, while one
has gone largely unrecognized.  Which one SHOULD be the Heisman favorite?




QB B is Gino Toretta.  QB A is darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan 
Freiburger of SMU.  Let's take a closer look at the two QB's.

Gino holds a slight edge in TD passes, and has thrown only 4 int's (I don't
have Freiburger's int's), so Gino gets the nod here.  On both accuracy and
productivity, "Dandy" Dan has a better completion rate and generates more
offense per game.  But as the saying goes, "stats are for losers," so let's
look more closely at the two atheletes.

Both come from programs noted for great quarterbacks.  Gino was preceeded at
Miami by Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, and Craig Erickson.  
SMU's quarterback position has been manned by such household names as Don
Meredith, CHuck Hickson, Mike Ford, and Mike Romo.  With such tradition, 
it is no wonder both Gino and "Dandy" Dan have risen to such levels of 
excellence.  The similarities end there, however.

A supporting cast has much to do with the success of a QB.  Neither Miami
or SMU have even average running games, so the two QB's get no breaks here.
Miami's receiving corps, however, have been recognized as the nation's best.
Gino gets to throw his passes to Lamar Thomas, Coleman Bell, and Kevin 
Williams, all likely future NFL stars.  "Dandy" Dan's passes fall into (and
sometimes out of) the hands of John DeVoss, Jason Wolf, Korey Beard, and Brian
Berry.  'Nuff said.

Another important measure of a quarterback is his performance in big games.
Gino has performed poorly in Miami's two biggest games, FSU and at Penn State.
"Dandy" Dan was injured against Texas A&M, but he was nothing short of 
spectacular in SMU's other two big games, against TCU and Houston, passing
for over 300 yards in each game.  One could say that SMU wins because of
Dan Freiburger, while Miami wins in spite of Gino Toretta.

The above is not meant as a slam on Gino Toretta; he is obviously a fine 
quarterback.  However, there are other fine quarterbacks in the country 
who have not received the same attention because of media bias and a poor
supporting cast. "Dandy" Dan Freiburger is one of them.  I'm not going to say
that Dan Freiburger is a better QB than Gino Toretta, but it is certainly not
out of line to mention the two in the same breath.  When r.s.f.c. votes 
for the Heisman, Gino Toretta is not a bad choice.  But remember the name:

			"DANDY" DAN FREIBURGER


Especially after he rolls it up on Texas this weekend.



GT
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From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:37:12 GMT

In article <-_n1h=k@rpi.edu> blythes@cs.rpi.edu (Stephen Blythe) writes:
>In article <BxGnBJ.E57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov9.100806@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>|> >
>|> >In article <1992Nov07.223140.22719@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfnag@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Norm Garrett) writes:
>|> >>FLASH!
>|> >>
>|> >>Eastern Illinois has just defeated previously unbeaten Northern Iowa in a
>
>|> Now, if I'm right, all the IAA teams have at least one loss against other
>|> IAA teams (I'm not sure about Delaware).  It looks to be a wide open playoffs
>
>FYI: Delaware's only loss came to div. II (yep, thas right div. II) West Chester
>early this season; the score was 21-20. They play every year and *always* give
>Delaware a hard time ...
>
>-steve
>


Yes, Delaware did lose to Division II West Chester.  Delaware scored 
a touchdown late in the game to make it 21-20 with the conversion
pending.  They opted to go for 2 and failed to convert.

I agree that West Chester always plays Delaware tough (it's the big
game on their schedule) but the stat I heard after the game was that
they had only beaten Delaware 3 times in the last 26 years (before
1982 Delaware was a Division II team).


-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Let the praying begin...
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:07:38 GMT

Well, I just wanted to thank the ppl that backed up my article about the
research monies between A&M and Texas.  Those 'sips are so close minded..
I would have backed them up myself, but our news server was toast for a 
few days.

I urge all Aggies everywhere to buy some candles and have a vigil, and 
pray for Jackie to beat the Crimson Tide.  I don't mind not having a 
MNC, but dammit, if we don't win it, I would rather lose it on the field
than in the head of some poll voters.  I think the bowl Coalition is 
starting to reflect its weak points:

What if:
A&M and Alabama wind up undefeated??  They can't meet in a Bowl game.

You always have the Rose Bowl problems...

and the worst case for me personally??  Miami, Alabama, and A&M all 
undefeated...  A&M has virtually no chance to win the title.  A&M would
have to pound Notre Dame or Florida State by 20 and pray for the Miami
Alabama game to be sloppy and close to have a chance.  I ask you, which
would you prefer?
A: Having to beat Miami by 1 for the MNC
B: Having to beat (Florida State/Notre Dame/Washington or Arizona) by 20+
      and wait to see...

============================

I think the pollsters have even gotten into RC Slocum's head.  We put most
of our starters in to score that last touchdown with about a minute left
in the game.  I think it was a tasteless act, but as the Lousville coaching
staff put it...  It was acceptable under the circumstances...

Congrats to TCU, Rice, SMU and Baylor for what wound up being a wacky 
weekend in the SWC.  The Houston Chronicle said that TCU, Rice and SMU
had not won conference games on the same weekend
since the 40's or the 50's (oops, I forgot the date)

A strange thing happened to me this morning...  for the past 4 or 5 weeks,
my mailbox has been full of mail from my t-sip friends, talking about how
they are just going to kick our butts on Thanksgiving...  It was nice to
not have to deal with that dribble this morning..  :-)

cmuck


=======================================================================
Aggie winning streak ------>   9   and counting
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: He Who Woofs Loudest...
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:15:54 GMT

How 'bout them Huskies, Eagles, RedRaiders, and t-sips?!?!?

And special congrats to SMU for getting revenge on CoogerHigh
to the tune of 41-16!

And hey Glenn -- Dandy Dan may be back in the thick of it!  If
Andre Ware and David Klingler can ride inflated stats against
the likes of SMU to Heisman contention, why can't DD turn the
tables?  He passed for something like 396 yds Saturday...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: I do Stand corrected!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:02:14 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov12.193848.4074@ttsi.lonestar.org> hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop) writes:
>Well, I stand corrected! The big 3 (Mich,Bama,Miami) are all only
>playing IA schools. Never let it be said I can't take what I give, so
>heap abuse if you like.
>
>BTW, Tide will Roll over Miami in the Sugar Bowl.
>
>I love the fact that the Aggies' mouths watering over the fact that 
>their God Jackie Sherill will beat Alabama, and looking past Texas, 
>wating for Miami, HA!
>
>That means they won't even be in the cotton bowl cuz UT will have 
>upset them.
>
>
>
>
>Go Eagles, Roll Tide, M Go Blue.


I don't care whether M go Blue, just sincerely wish the Tide roll over the
ack-thfppt Canes!  

- Louis


Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 11:03:03 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bama Mich schedules: my last comment
Distribution: rec

in an article
<BILLMS.92Nov4200449@dip.eecs.umich.edu>(WilliamMagione-Smith) writes:


>Instead, I grabbed the *first* power poll posted after that and
>compared the strength of each teams opponents so far.  Here they are, >from
>the marsee ranking:

>Mich		Bama
>------------------------
>825 notre dame  678 tenn
>588 iu          640 miss
>581 purdue      549 smiss
>560 msu         542 ark
>548 iowa        518 s carolina
>527 houston     515 vandy
>521 okstate     440 latech
>461 minn        395 tulane

>Using my admitadly arbitrary suggestion, i.e. compare the top three,  I >think
>it looks pretty close.  ND is much tougher than Tenn (this I believe), miss
>is tougher than iu, and purdue beats smiss.  
I absolutely agree that ND is MUCH tougher than Tennessee.  I even have
a feeling that Tennessee will have another loss before the bowl games. 
But Michigan would have had a much stronger argument had they beat Notre
Dame.  Therefore, if you take another look at the power rankings and
look at Bama's and Michigan's VICTORIES, Tennessee is ranked higher than
IU.  Alabama's wins, if I remember correctly, have all been blowouts. 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.  Same with Michigan, EXCEPT:
1)They could not beat Notre Dame
2)The margin of victory against Purdue was pretty small(seven points if
I remember correctly).

Just a few observations, that's all.

Will
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From: keithp@octel.com (Keith Perrin)
Subject: Re: Am I alone here or what?
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:30:15 GMT

In article <1dhaaiINN5d9@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>Are there any other Wisconsin (or other schools) fans who just wants to puke
>because of the offensive play-calling? UW can run the ball on Mich State, but
>they just refuse to pass. No first down passes on about a 50-yard drive to
>open the game which resulted in a field goal. Then on 3rd-and-10, Alvarez
>calls a draw. AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Pass the fucking ball on first down sometimes!!!!!!!
>
>Sorry, I'm just going crazy.
>
>--salty
>
>p.s. Do any of you fans of Pac 10 teams have this problem?  
>

	Anyone who is an Arizona fan can sympathize with you. I dont think
there is anyone who can criticize Dick Tomey or his coaching staff after
that great game plan that he put together to beat the huskies, but I just
wish that somehow even a small passing game could be conducted.

GO CATS!!!

KLP
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Arizona
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:19:42 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <26064@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
> So how much is USC favored by to beat the Cats at home? Hopefully
>the Cats will be underdogs as they have done well of late in that
>position. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Arizona was
>an underdog against UCLA, Stanford, CAL and WAshington. Granted they
>were favored against NMSU but that really doesn't count. 
>
> USC has to have revenge for the past two seasons on their mind. They
>are hot and this seems the likely game for Arizona to drop if they are
>going to go 1-1 in their last two games. They need the win, if they take it
>they still have the outside shot at the Rose Bowl and can guarantee
>themselves a New Year's Day bowl if they follow it up with a win over
>ASU.
>
> These kids have to be kicking themselves in the ass for the way they
>played against OSU and WSU....
>
>			gln


   I think the USC-Arizona game will be close.  You are correct that 
Arizona has been the underdog in its past games.  I hope SC gets blown
out again a second week in a row to prove that they are not a team worthy
of the Rose Bowl, but that is just my biased opinion.  At least we won't
hear much from that Valdeis guy if they do lose to the cats this weekend.

  Doug
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From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 8 woof
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:43:17 GMT
	<1992Nov9.212047.11783@colorado.edu>
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <1992Nov9.132952@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>I wouldn't count KU to lose to CU.  By the Relativity Theorem.....
>KU beat OU at KU, while CU tied OU at CU.   And KU didn't get thumped
>by NU as bad as CU.

i would consider this incorrect in every aspect but the final score.  sure,
nebraska won 52-7 over colorado (and deserved to win big) and won "only"
49-7 over kansas (and deserved to win big), but 21 of nebraska's points
against cu came in the fourth quarter, and a good deal of colorado's
suffering was "self-inflicted" (interceptions, fumbles, penalties at
inopportune times), whereas kansas was just sort of slowly steamrolled in
the first half before nebraska called off the dogs early in the third.

i also got the distinct impression that, had nebraska had the ball with 2
min to go and a 49-7 lead over colorado exactly as they had over kansas,
they would not have been running the fullback into the middle of the line
but running the qb and a back around the end on the option, trying a little
harder to score.  i also think that they wanted the margin of victory over
cu to look worse than the margin of victory over ku, so they didn't even try
to score on the last chance they had inside the kansas 10.

speculation, of course, but if you saw this game, the thought had to cross
your mind when, after nebraska had easily moved the ball all the way down
the field on the last drive, the nature of the play-calling changes, and the
team suddenly can't move the ball.

>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company

-johndoe
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Am I alone here or what?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:52:34 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Are there any other Wisconsin (or other schools) fans who just wants to puke
because of the offensive play-calling? UW can run the ball on Mich State, but
they just refuse to pass. No first down passes on about a 50-yard drive to
open the game which resulted in a field goal. Then on 3rd-and-10, Alvarez
calls a draw. AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pass the fucking ball on first down sometimes!!!!!!!

Sorry, I'm just going crazy.

--salty

p.s. Do any of you fans of Pac 10 teams have this problem?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:55:08 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'

Yesterday the NCAA sent an official letter of investigation
to Auburn, citing *9* major violations of NCAA regs.  Among
the charges (never really specified by ESPN, but I can only
assume they are related to the Eric Ramsey business) is the
claim that Pat Dye was aware of the various violations, but
took no action.  Auburn says they will cooperate fully; Dye
isn't saying anything.

This could be serious trouble for Dye and Auburn, especially
coming on the heels of the sanctions handed down to the Auburn
tennis and basketball squads for infractions that occured while
Dye was still AD.  Auburn has 90 days to investigate and respond
to the charges.



Jim Thomas
Penn State
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.pro
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:22:11 CST

In article <1992Nov9.223646.16539@data-io.com> dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>I listened to my beloved Vikings yesterday on the radio and heard a strange 
>play described.  Apparently, when Deberg approached the center and then stopped
>and started walking and gesturing to the sideline, as if he did not understand
>or like what he saw.  The center then hiked to the up back who ran the ball.
>
>Nifty bit of weirdness ... unfortunately for TB fans, the play was snuffed 
>with a 3 yard gain.  Nothing gets by the Purple People Eaters (II)!
>
>Did anyone see this game?  Do they remember the play?  Since it was killed so
>effectively, I wonder if anyone even realized what happened.

When it first happened, one announcer screamed "It worked". 

Then they realized it was only a three yard gain.


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: National Champs
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.134248.11909@b15.ingr.com> pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett) writes:

   Like the guy on ESPN says!!!
   Bama  COULD  GO  ALL  THE  WAY!!!!!!!!
   BAMA is playing great!!! Hope they dont choke!!!
   3 games until our National Championship!!!
   R-O-L-L T-I-D-E!!!

   (some UM fan will have some BS to say i'm sure)

Probably not.  BAMA certainly is playing great and controls their own
destiny for the national championship.  

And we enjoy your entertaining, if not enlightening, posts.  So keep it up
Debbie, Doug, or whatever your name is.

Bill
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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: God! Grass DOES grow in the SWC!!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:42:47 GMT

Finally!! A SWC team with grass in their home field! TCU's new field looks
great. I tuned in to the the TCU-Texas game and could not believe what I saw.
Grass!! Now if only the Big 8 could see this.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's latest prediction
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:22:12 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov6.165646.6772@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu writes:

> For those of you who missed it, Lee Corso last night predicted that 
> Louisville will beat Texas A&M on Saturday.

  Great!  Now the Ags will surely win!  Be interesting to know what his ration-
ale was though...

> And he again predicted that Arizona will beat Washington.

  Drat.  And I was pulling for 'Zona too...

> And it looked like he really pissed off Tom Osborne.

  Huh?

> And I'm leaving now.

  Great.  Tease us and split with no details! :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: rglaeser@cs.uiuc.edu (Russ Glaeser)
Subject: Re: Washington State
Reply-To: rglaeser@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:06:09 GMT

In <1992Nov5.152323.24272@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> tino@ray.metray (Vinny Tino) writes:

>Gee, y'all notice that them folks aren't hootin for them there WSU Coyotes (I 
>mean Cougars) anymore.  What fans...Gotta love 'em... I sure hope UWash never
>loses two games.  I'd hate too see all those great Washington high school 
>players come to Florida State..

>------------------ Vincent Tino - Studentus Graduatus Perpetuus ---------------

I've never posted anything to this group before because most of what is said
here is plain bullshit, but son, you don't know what the hell you're talking
about.  WSU fans are some of the most loyal in the country.  It's easy being
a FSU fan since they win all the time, but you really need devotion to be a
WSU fan year in and year out.  You don't know how many times I've said "Next
year we'll get 'em."  When's the last time you cried over a particularly
tough loss to your arch-rival?  When's the last time YOU drove 2000 miles in a
weekend to watch a football game?  WSU has gone to about five bowl games in
it's 102 year existence.  How many fair-weather fans do you think a record
like that would attract?  How much of a fan would you be if your beloved
Sememoles were to try their best and end up with a 5-6 record?  How about 3-8?
I've cheered through both, and I still go back for more...and I'm not the only
one.

I guess you could say I'm offended that you're questioning my loyalty to a
team I hold very dear to my heart.

In reference to your comment about UW losing two games, about 3 years ago
UW had a bad year.  The first year UW didn't go to a bowl in about 15 years.
UW "fans" wanted James' head on a plate.  Now how's THAT for fair-weather fans?

I'm proud of being a Cougar.  At least when we lose noone boos.

Russ Glaeser
WSU class of '90
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:51:43 GMT

In article <Bx7F3G.ox@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Leaky" Fawcett) drips:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>  The way I see it.  Bama or Florida willl chicken out like last year and 

    Bama didn't go to the Suger Bowl last year.  We went Buffalo
hunting instead.

>  get the Sugar Bowl to invite another  team that maybe a SEC champ could
>  beat.  

    Right.  Alabama wants Miami in the Sugar Bowl, a team we can
beat.

> Like the #17 it invited last year, that beat the SEC champ.  

    No point commenting on this one.  Your memory is far too short.

>  BTW, Miami beat the suds out of the Tide in the 1990 Sugar Bowl.
>  Alabama coach Bill Curry stated that Bama " Never had control of the 
>  game, and Miami's got to be # 1."  The next morning, the voters of
>  the AP/UPI agreed with Curry and made Miami the National Champ.

    Cling to this tightly and don't expect a repeat.  Oh, and have
Gino spend a lot of time before the game looking at the field. 
He'll see plenty of the Superdome roof during the game.

>           Miami        Bama 
>  score      33          25
>  rushing   227          38
>  passing   250         214
>  total     477         252
>  av.gain    6.2        3.5

   Impressive indeed.  Miami was a ~21-point favorite as well,
weren't they?  Margin of victory:  8 points.  Not so impressive.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
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