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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:44:26 CDT
From:         Good but Harmful <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      More of the same

>    Took a trip down to ye ol' recoerd store yesterday and picked up some
>not so new albums.  Here's my two bits...

>    Hindu Love Gods: Great, includes some neat blues covers (Robert Johnson)
>       and even Woodie Guthrie's "Vigilante Man".  Will probably include
>       it as part of Lenny Ray's "educational" package.  Warren Zevon is
>       great even if _Transverse City_ (correct title?) was a total flop.
>       Album proves that R.E.M. is more than just Micheal Stipe.  Also
>       includes a Zevonesque version of Prince's "Rasberry Beret" that
>       is much better than the original.  Kinda givs the song a little
>       credit.

I prefer the "Folkways - A Vision Shared" version of "Vigilante Man,"
by Bruce Springsteen. Warren hasn't reached back up to his "Werewolves
in London" days but I still think he's good. I *LIKE* Transverse City,
but then again, I have all of William Gibson's cyberpunk books. There
are some redeeming things about Mr. Bad Example, his new one, but much
of it is filler, IMHO. Still, "Things to do in Denver (when you're
dead)" is a classic.

>    _I'm Your Fan_: Sort of a tribute to Leonard Cohen, the man who claims
>       to have originated the alternative sound (whatever that is).
>       Includes some good bands and covers some of Cohen's best tunes.
>       For those of you, like me, wyho enjoy Cohen's lyrics but can't
>       stand the way he sings them, this is a must have.  Includes the likes
>       of R.E.M., the Pixies and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (complete with
>       a loud, cleansing belch prior to his harmonica solo).

I do kind of like his sound, but it is too cheesy for most days, esp.
his later stuff, when he put aside his acoustic and picked up a Casio.
I do give credit to REM for kicking out a good version of "First we
take Manhattan," but no one can do a better "Everybody Knows."

>Dave Hall

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
 Everybody knows the war is over
 Everybody knows the good guys lost
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:20:55 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: covers

>Ah! The Ramones!  I formally request that you cover the song "I Wanna Be
>Sedated".  I did a thrash drunken dance in a nun's habit to that song at a
>Halloween Bash once...  god... what a fool...

Ah! Carol, that song's been a mainstay for a number of years now.   Can't
really go wrong with that one, and it's great dumb fun.

A marine?  HA!  Two HA!s  Think somewhere between pony-tail and crew-cut,
that really narrows it down, eh?

Russ
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:59:47 PDT
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Tidbits from Rolling Stone
              10 Sep 1992 10:25:35 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

I heard that Miles Davis took herion before he took heroin--
really screwed him up because the high was as potent as the drug
placebo.  He never was the same after that.

Just say moe.

 3
M
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:50:24 MDT
From:         "the terror that flaps in the night" <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: terror that flaps

Sonia sed:

>> Michael could toodle on his pennywhistle.
>>
>That's a Zappa lyric, right?

bzzzt!  Sorry... that's O'Lickme lingo...  though SteveB will probably call it
a masterbatory euphemism.

>Carol Me Baddhran, let me know if you want me to get that bodhran video
>someday... I'm sure it'll be there forever.  I think it's $30 but I'll find
>out.

Scoop it, Sonia!  Now you did say that the player was a nude bodhran player,
no??  ;)  Send me your snail mail address and I'll send you 36 loonies.  ;)

Regarding the descriptions of fellow netters, we had a sorta ALLMUSIC Reunion
in Rhode Island last summer where I was able to connect with Tim J, Jenna, woj,
n.n., SteveB.  I've also met Jeff Beer over pizza in Chi-town.  So I know what
they look like, talk like, drink like...  Man HAVE I got dirt...  ;*)  Of
course, they've got the goods on me too.  Just don't believe anything Steve
Tbass says...  :)

I also organized, with woj's help, the first ALLMUSIC Compilation (two tapes)
of tunes contributed by list members and an info booklet complete with xeroxed
photos was included.  So alot of us have the blurry physical pictures of a
few infamous listmembers.

I would like to initiate an new project this year:  The 1992 ALLMUSIC Nude
Calendar complete with pop-up appendages.  I think Marco already agreed to help
me with this one, Tom Buck will be Mr. January, and SteveB volunteered to pose
for an outdoor shot, as long as it wasn't a wintery month....  All musician's
are to be photographed with instruments in hand, no matter how massive...
Any budding photographers out there?  ;)

OMC:  I saw The Cure Unplugged on MM last night... I enjoyed it immensely!
Have The Cure put out any unplugged releases.  I really preferred their
acoustic performance.  The lead singer (whose name escapes me at the moment)
looks alot like I do in the morning -- same shade of smeared lipstick and
same hairdo.

- the soon to be, Carol O'Bangme, Bodhran Goddess
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:22:33 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      billy ray (sorta)

Was reading an interveiw (about a year old) with Joe Louis Walker about
his music and they asked about a blues revival. He said that the music
business is crazy that they market the PEOPLE and not the MUSIC. That if
Robert Johnson was alive today he would not get airplay, but currently
R.J. is on the charts (the R.J. box set).
I think this marketing people relates to some of the people we've mentioned
(not naming names).....L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:16:33 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: need train song recommendations

Here is a response for you.

Rosanne Cash: My baby thinks he's a train.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:05:03 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: radio, cd prices, sharrock, covers, talking heads

>are ya'll doing _take me to the river_?  that was the first heads tune i
>ever heard.  i was really impressed by that song.  i saw them do it on
>saturday night live, and i remember being captured by the emotion and
>oh, i dont't know, the diversity (?) of the song.  it was so different
>from anything i was listening to at the time...

I've done that with a different band, a *real* cover band (but it was
an ok band, woman singer, so we did Pretenders, Raitt, Ronstadt type
stuff).  Right now we're looking at Hey Now as likely (or not), I'd
like to do Burning Down the House but it's tougher than it seems, maybe
And She Was, and then one of the older ones.  Not likely to do Take Me
to the River again though.

Russ
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:30:33 CDT
From:         "Mr. Greengenes" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lite Classics

<one-handed conversation between Tim and Bob boB deleted>

>  Tim waits, looking to see if Bob boB is getting the point, or getting
>uncomfortable.

>  "So the point, big guy, was that people who listen to fake classical
>music are doing it for extra musical reasons-not that people who liste n
>to classical are doing it for extra musical reasons."

Not that I disagree, in context of your earlier statements, but I
contend that there is more than that. I propose this analogy: when
I was 13-15, I started to get into heavy metal. At this time, I had
no idea who was good, who was bad and who was worthless. I started
listening to Def Leppard and Twisted Sister, bands that rocked but
were more on the "pop" side of metal. Before I switched over to
"better" music, I was an intense Metallica fan who had the Guns and
Roses _Appetite for Destruction_ album a year (at least before it
started getting MTV airplay outside of the "Headbangers Ball." I
had no idea about what was up before and by the end of my "metal
years," I was dropping out of trends before they got trendy. While
some people might listen to pop classical due to your reasons, some
surely listen because of mine.

>                                      -Tim

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:02:42 CDT
From:         Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:

I am seeking people who are into "alternative"/techno/industrial/or just
any decent new music that I may have missed, and also in info. about new
releases and concerts in my area ( Central New York, Syracuse, unfortunately)
So if anyone fits this description and wants to correspond, please do soon,
as I may get off this list in the near future.  Thanks,
                Andrea :  AMGOLTZE@SUVM.BITNET

     The Bad Examples are a Chicago band, mostly pop w/ some blues.
     Mutant pop, I mean. "Smiles like Richard Nixon" was the standout
     song of the set when I saw them.

     If you think Central NY is a black hole for live music, try east
     central South Dakota.

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
In spite of her amputation
She could dance to a rock & roll station
It was all right
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:32:56 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Jefferson Starship - TNG
              11 Sep 1992 15:21:36 EDT from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

Lest any of the net.monitors catch me, I am responding to my own post:

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:21:36 EDT Scott Hammer said:
>Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation will be performing *for free*
>at Town Point Park in Norfolk, Va. Saturday, Sept. 11, at 7:45 PM.
                                              ^^^^^^^^
                 should have said:            Sept. 12

>This is part of Norfolks "Bay Days" celebration.
                 ^^^^^^^^
Should have said: Norfolk's

-Scott "Fastidious" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:37:38 CDT
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: keep your hands off my double entendres

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:37:19 MDT It's not what you know, it's what you think you
>n.n. sed:
>
>>  Aww, why not?  Maybe he'll offer you his quarter-inch, too. I'd be
>>to embarrassed to whip something that pitiful out in front of Real Women
>>like Carol and Jenna, but you know how them Country Ruxpigs can be...
>
>Right on... I can't speak for Jenna but this Real Woman prefers tall thin
>pianists...  (pssst, Tim, do you tinkle on the ivories?)
>
>>Hey, the whole album is good... take your pick
>>of solos there (Da Bloomdido picked "Fred", didja see?). I'm inclined
>
>Yah but Mikey only picked that one because it's the first name of his wild and
>wacky fave, Fred Frith...  ;)
>
>The Spaniard expounded:
>
>>Sister Carol,
>>
>>             Your electrifying revelation that your nips go north to the
>sounds
>> of Borge indeed merits exemplary discipline. For the next 7 weeks you will
>lis
>>ten seven times each to the following: Sgt Barry Sadler's Ballad of the Green
>B
>>erets; Paul Mauriat Orchestra's Love is Blue; Nancy Sinatra, "These Boots are
>M
>>ade for Walkin';" Bobbie Gentry's Ode to Billy Joe;" Jeannie Riley's Harper
>Val
>>ley PTA; the soundtrack of Love Story; the entire opus of the Harry Simeon
>Chor
>>ale; the Bob Dylan Song Book by the Golden Gate Strings; and Baroque 'n Stones
>>by the New Renaissance Society.  (And this is only from the 60s; additional
>pun
>>ishment from the 70s-90s may be necessary, so keep your nose clean.) Final
>thou
>
>Good God!  I think I'd rather say 15 buzillion Hail Mary's... unless I can do
>all of the above naked.... and can I invite Tom Buck to supervise?  He could,
>like, paint the ceiling or something...  :)
>
>>ghts, if Borge does this to you, one hates to think what the likes of Tom
>Lehre
>>r do your bodacious being.
>>
>>The Little Inquisitor
>
>I'd probably turn into Enya... *oink*
>
>Yipes, Michael.... pigswill?!  If I was your wife, I'd cut you off...  :*)
>
>Derek said:
>>>there is also some mandolin on The Extremist, and some classical (?)...
>>
>>Some, very some, very little, not much, etc....
>>There's one song which has some cool classical/acoustic stuff but (I think)
>>that's about it.
>
>Ok, everyone... how about your favorite mandolin solo?
>
>>I can give you more later when I'm at home with the piece in question at hand.
>>
>>        -and no comments from Carol on that last line, please.  :-)
>
>Nah... I'll leave those comments to our resident master-baiter, Chucky.
>
>And what's this about Bill Clinton calling into Rockline and talking to Bono??
>
>- Carol

Mandolins: I remember some excellent mandolin playing in R. Crumb and the Cheap
 Suit Serenaders.  Now, that's really campy music ("Singing in the Bathtub").

Renato
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:42:49 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      re: To Sharrock or not To Sharrock
              "Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM" at Sep 3,
              92 12:50 pm

> whichever one you choose, drop any expectations you might have; listen to
> it all the way through once casually and put it away.  don't analyze it;
> don't make any effort to think about it.  then listen to something else you
> know well and enjoy.  later that day play sonny again, this time paying a
> little closer attention to what's going on.  repeat steps two and three,
...
> that's what worked for me, anyway.  sometimes i approach new music from
> this "subconscious" perspective.  it helps me create a new mental
> context for the music, instead of forcing the music to fit, however
> akwardly, into a previously defined context.
>
 Lee, this is GREAT stuff you wrote here!  This inspired me to pull out some
fave quotes on the subject... which by the way is what Keats called "negative
capability."

Attention is an effort, the greatest of all efforts perhaps, but it is a
negative effort... Attention consists of suspending our thought, leaving it
detached, empty, waiting, not seeking anything but ready to receive the object
in its naked truth.  Simone Weil

Haven't you ever noticed that when you stop looking, when you don't try to see,
you suddenly see?   Henry Miller

My ordinary way of looking at things seemed to be from my head, as if it were a
tower in which I kept myself shut up, only looking out of the windows to watch
what was going on.  Now I seemed to be discovering that I could go down
outside, go down and make myself part of what was happening.  Joanna Field

When you are philosophizing you have to descend into primeval chaos and feel at
home there.  Wittgenstein

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging
their prejudices.  William James

----
I think that this kind of GOING DOWN out of our usual high-and-mighty (= safe
and well defended) ways of listening, seeing, thinking = to get down, to get
funky...  Why else do we play or listen to music if not that?

Sonia
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:59:02 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      tree of us

   Power trio.  I don't like that name.  It implies too much of the
Grand Funk/Hendrix-Experience/Cream over-the-top playing.  We are
bass/drums/guitar, but we're not in the power trio style.  What our
style actually is, I don't know.  We don't take ourselves seriously
enough to be a power trio.

   Obviously, we can't do True Religion, 'cuz there may be someone in
the crowd who really knows the words ;-)

  So you're a RISD person, eh Mike?  Well that explains it then......

  I've thought about Dylan tunes, they do lend themselves to multiple
interpretation (lyrically and musically).  I've got a fake book of his
too, should run through it.  Garcia's already done a bunch of the good
ones, though.

  The drummer want's to play Fire.  I'm not really into it, but he does
a bang-up (!) job on it, so I guess we'll do it.  I'll just play it
straight.  Now that I think about it, it does have this interesting
fade-to-noise at the end.  Hmmmm

Russ
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From: danielh@sequent.com (Daniel Hobbs)
Subject: Re: need train song recommendations
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:40:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.171619.7534@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>slothrop@cheshire.oxy.edu (Roger Lebow) writes:
>>You really HAVE to include Arthur Honegger's Pacific 231--the best symphonic
>>train ride I know of.
>
>If we're talking orchestral, "The Little Train of the Caipira" by Heitor
>Villa-Lobos, is so much more *fun*!  Also known as Bachianas Brasileiras(*)
>#2, and HVL is said to have written it while riding on the train.  Lotsa
>Latin percussion and a nice tune.
>

Second this!  I played this in concert band (many years ago), and it's
delightful.

I haven't been following this thread, so pardon if this has already been
posted, but it shouldn't be missed:  Much less delightful, but very worth 
listening to is Reich's "Different Trains", performed by the Kronos Quartet 
(based on Holocaust experiences).

Dan Hobbs
danielh@sequent.com


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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:15:38 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: new to me?!?
              "G_SEILER%TWU.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Sep 10, 92 2:26 pm

Carol, I'm fairly new myself compared to some of these old farts but for now:

Bach came up not too long ago a propos of Johnny Winter

Feel freebird to bring up ANYTHING... except:

> someone named "Billy Ray Cyrus" in regards to sex but don't know who he is or

if I were you I would not bring up "Billy Ray Cyrus"  again

>

> Carol                             $     $

Finally I just have to warn you that you are going to have to be the OTHER
Carol because we already have one hot-to-trot Carol and that's a lot to handle
right there.  I hope you wear sensible shoes.

Sonia
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:26:00 EDT
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Minimalist police....

The police were minimalist in every sense of the word, Sting was
  even using the same base lines for several songs and cutting it up
  with his voice. Most of their realy good stuff is composed of
  this really slight sounding minor 6th/7th muted chords with a
  Distinctive thump of base.  They also has a thing about cutting up
  the rythm into funny looking 3's and 5's that they kept contrasting
  with 4/4. Fab group. Fun to get all artschool with....

                                     Ed.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:05:23 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      NON-MUSIC post re: Birmingham, Ala

Since two of our netters are from B'ham I thought it was my civic duty to post
this story from the Weekly World News:

Hoochie-Coochie queen Hazel Henderson bills herself as "The Flabulous Miss H."
The 42-year-old woman is one of 25 ladies who do the bump and grind nightly for
wages and tips in Birmingham, Ala.... "The guys who come here go absolutely
crazy.  To hear them scream and cheer you'd think she was the best-looking gal
on Earth.  Every patron in the club is willing to spend whatever it takes to
keep her in her clothes."

Two short years ago Miss Henderson was a dispatcher who never dreamed she could
make a career for herself on stage.  All that changed when she went to a beer
hall's "amateur night" and got up to strip on a dare.  "When I started
unbuttoning my blouse the men in the crowd looked like they were going to riot.
 Then they started throwing money and shouting, 'Keep it ON, Keep it ON."  By
the time my routine was over I had raked in $75.  I knew right then and there
that I could make money as a stripper."

 The owner is't sure why Miss Henderson is such a big draw but he does have a
theory.  "Strip clubs can get awfully boring when you have one good-looking
woman after another performing their routines.  Hazel breaks up the monotony."

L.W. and Dave the purple buzz, check this out.

P.S. So this post doesn't get ejected for non-musical content, here's one more:

A replica of a human skull that guards the tomb of Hapsburg Emperor Karl VI in
Vienna whistles the hymn "Amazing Grace" through its teeth, stunned witnesses
report.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:21:36 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Jefferson Starship - TNG

Jefferson Starship - The Next Generation will be performing *for free*
at Town Point Park in Norfolk, Va. Saturday, Sept. 11, at 7:45 PM.
This is part of Norfolks "Bay Days" celebration.

Now You Know.

-Scott "I Can't Go 'Cuz My Mother-In-Law is Visiting :^(" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:06:48 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Quartet/Gospel

While reading the recent postings about how to get rid of band members who
don't contribute:  I'm going through a similar situation in one of the string
quartets that I regularly play in (bad grammar).  The first violinist doesn't
like the cello player's style of playing and I have to say I tend to agree.
We have had some discussions about the best way to "dispose" of her--the main
problem is we don't have a suitable replacement in mind.  We are trying to
restrict the quartet's personnel to black women and/or just women and the local
female cellists that fit the bill aren't much better than the cellist we have.

Now, before I get questions and/or flames from certain of you ALLMUSICers--the
reason we choose to be all black and/or all women has to do with the lack of
opportunities (until recently) for women, and especially blacks, to be heard
playing classical music professionally.


It was so nice to read a few lines about gospel music here on the net. . .
Gospel music was the first music I heard as a child:  Aretha and her father
Rev. C.L. (whose church is about a mile from my house), James Cleveland,
Shirley Cesear, Walter and Edwin Hawkins (whose choirs are still my favorite).
Such memories. . .

Michelle
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