HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:02:45 GMT

mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:

>My Local newspaper carried a brief (two sentence item) stating that Cale 
>Yarborough had release Chad Little as his driver.  If anyone can confirm 
>or add any additional information to this, I would be interested.  I 
>think Bob Kehoe mentioned that Chad's father was also serving in some 
>capacity with this team.

I suspect that Chad and his father (who I believe was serving as team
manager) may have asked for their release.  Crew chief Doug Williams
is already gone, having asked for and gotten his release a month ago.
(He's now working for BGN driver Steve Grissom.)

Why is this happening?  Rumor has it that Cale Yarborough's Phillips
66 sponsorship won't last through July...
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Faster drivers
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:50:12 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Apr10.123439.19973@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:

>thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>> Sorry, but to the public, the driver is it, and the team are just
>> the supporters (note that I don't agree with this view of things,
>> that's just the way it is.) No one goes to a race to see the McLaren
>> mechanics in their beautiful red and white clothing, they go to see
>> Senna and Berger.

>Actually, to some extent this isn't true.  Sure, the drivers are the big
>stars, but for me (and many others), the design, development and technology
>of F1 are a constant source of interest and fascination.  Witness the
>reactive suspension discussions on the net, the chassis details in every
>Autosport race report, the fascination with chassis designers (has anyone
>ever heard who designs the NASCAR chassis?), the discussions about engine
>power, the aerodynamic development reports, ...

Well, actually, that means to some extent it is true as well, hmm?
I would not class the people on this net as 'average' watchers or 
techno-freaks. Sure, I'm interested in the technology etc, but when
the papers announce the results, it is 'Nigel wins three in a row!"
not "Williams on top with a vengeance". Not everyone who follows 
F1 racing reads Autosport or Motorsport.

>There is a lot more to F1 than just driving.  And that's the only reason we
>put up with races like Kyalami!  :)

Yes, that is why WE put up with that, but many others will become
bored with F1 if this domination continues (not that I mind, I kinda
like the idea of McLaren getting their arse kicked.)

>[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
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From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 technology
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:02:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1109
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Organization: Hey they let a contractor use this

In article <13APR199211510644@utarlg.uta.edu> b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.134724.24178@tcom.stc.co.uk>, hale%mother@tcom.stc.co.uk (Dave Hale) writes...
>>With all the new technology coming out on F1 cars this season like
>>active suspension, anti wheelspin devices, etc etc.
>>Does anyone know if any of the teams have tried anti lock brakes?
>>I'm surprised I haven't heard of this being tried.
>
>Anti-lock brakes weigh too much and any F1 driver could brake superior
>without one than with one.

Not to mention, when one finds themselves going backwards, being able to 
lock-em is crucial to getting straightened out. Most anti-lock systems
don't allow for this:-(

Course F1 pilots don't ever find themselves suddenly going backwards :-)


Don "what mirrors?" Bolton
From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: In need of sponsorship ideas!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:40:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.170733.15287@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, rodman@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (RODMAN  CONNIE LYNN) writes...
>Hello everyone!
>I was wondering if some of you out there may be able to help me:

..chomp...

>I was hoping that some of you might be able to give me some sponsorship ideas.
>Who to approach, how to approach them, who may be interested etc. . .
>Anything would be greatly appreciated.
>Please reply by mail to gjackson@slate.mines.colorado.edu.
>Thanks in advance!!
>						--graham
*****
Gra-ham,

	This is an old thread - someone might have a couple of the replies
archived somewhere.  I suggested that, when the busy-bodies succeed in
removing tobacco and beer sponsorship from *W*C, Harry Gant should go
after *LITTLE TYKE* sponsorship.

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
************************ standard disclaimer applies ************************
From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Moss
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:45:47 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <702954797.F00001@aisbbs.com> Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson) writes:

>On 4/06/92 Andrew Greenshields writes:

>AG>   And how many times did Stirling Moss walk away with the World
>AG> Championship?

>Anyone familiar with Moss's career is aware that Stirling's
>preference for driving British cars in an era when they were less
>than fully competitive, along with his preference for driving for
>private teams, were the main reasons he never captured the
>championship.  I do not think this in any way diminishes his status
>as one of the finest drivers to ever compete.

Ah, and a fellow called Fangio had a few other ideas too.

Mark

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From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: First Union 400 (N.Wilkesboro NASCAR) results (short, SPOILER)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:53:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12APR199215282202@zeus.tamu.edu>, pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes...
>Howdy!
....
	<results follow>

....
>	Gant took over 2nd place in points thanks to Elliot's 20th.
>Labonte continued his top-10 streak; I think he's third in points.
                                                   ^^^^^ nope, 4th!
>Kulwicki is fifth; forgot who's fourth?
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^....Labonte.

Ha, sorry!  Forgot about BE -- a 20th doesn't drop him THAT far!
WC Standings after today....
	1.	Allison
	2.	Gant
	3.	Elliott
	4.	Labonte
	5.	Kulwicki
> 
>	Later .....

P.S. -- maybe Labonte will keep his GM mount <*g*>.

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GOB's advantage in IROC (was: IROC American Bias)
Date: 23 Mar 92 17:41:03 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

>>As far as who is going  to dominate, it's my opinion that the relationship
>>between the cars used, and those a driver specializes in, will be the
>>primary determinant.  While notions about a great driver being able to
>>win in anything with wheels on it are very romantic, I think that you
>>cannot discount experience in a specialty.  Senna is not likely to be
>
>I agree with you completely.  IROC should have a variety of races in a
>variety of cars.  IMHO a great IROC series would be:  stock cars at Daytona,
>IndyCars at Indy, F1 cars at Monza, ISMA type cars at Watkins Glen, an
>endurance race at Sebring or Leman, sprint cars on a 1/4 mile dirt track, 
>and maybe a top-fuel dragster.  Too bad it will never happen. :(
>

I don't know if it's good net etiquette to reply to a reply to my own reply,
but I can't stop giggling at the notion of the top drivers from the other
forms of racing trying their hands in a top-fuel dragster.  Some of the
other combinations could be lethal enough, but that one would really be
something!

I'm not a really serious fan of NHRA, but I like to watch it now and then,
and just marvel at the mind-boggling power.  I caught the tail end of ESPN's
broadcast of the Gatornationals -- apparently I missed Kenny Bernstein's
run at 301.  They've finally done it!  If anyone  knows if that show will
be rerun, please post the date and time.  That would be worth keeping on
tape!  300 miles per hour, in less than 5 seconds.  I cannot wrap my mind
around the concept.

Dave Wilson
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansell at Silverstone 1988 was Re: Senna bashing
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:44:02 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <thos.702686482@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <7317.9204031008@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Roberto S. M. Barros) writes:
>
>When the red mist descends, Mansell always seems to be able to gain on 
>anyone, even in not-quite-competitive machinery. (remember his 2nd place
>in the Williams-Judd at Silverstone 1988?).

Yes I have fond memories of that, watching him through Stowe and Club. He
wasn't wild, just smooth and fast. Nigel had been stuffed into the armco in 
the Saturday practice session when the reactive suspension played up and he 
was a very unhappy man.  After a season of saying that there was absolutely 
no way to go back to a conventional suspension, Williams popped down the A34,
knocked up some coil springs and had them fitted overnight.  I can't believe 
that they didn't have them prepared a bit in advance, but it makes a better 
story this way.  Peter Collins has said that one of Nigel's great strengths 
is that he can get a car adjusted very quickly. This was fortunate because
on the Sunday morning, they only had two half hour warm-up sessions to set 
up the car. Come the race, he had a storming first few laps and soon got 
into the points.  After that a few retirements left him about 30 s behind 
Senna.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Senna: Love him or hate him?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:15:38 GMT

ali@pyra.co.uk (Ali Shirnia) writes (about Senna):
>I do not think it matters. He has had Prost as his team-mate and he has
>blown him away. With far inferior equipment he has blown Mansell.

I'm sorry?  When was this?  This can't be talking about the 1990 season,
because Senna did not "blow Prost away" - he narrowly pipped him for the
championship.  Senna scored one more first place finish than Prost, and
one more third. Prost, however, finished in the points more often than
Senna did.  And this can't be talking about 1989, either, because then
the only things Senna managed to do beter than Prost were qualify on
the pole many more times (flashy, but irrelevant as far as the drivers
championship goes) and finish in first place a couple of times more often.
Unfortunately he only finished in the points half as often as Prost.

I also wonder about the "inferior equipment" claim.  For most of the last
few years the Honda engine has enjoyed such a power advantage that it has
been able to overcome the shortcomings of a McLaren chassis. When Mansell
had the Honda engine Mansell won; when Senna had the Honda then Senna won.

>As for his attitude, it might stink, but that is not what I watch. I watch
>one of the greatest drivers of our time and I enjoy it. Just like when
>Villenuve was around. There are a whole lot of athletes and sports people
>out there that have a bad attitude but great to watch.

Villeneuve, however, managed to be a good driver without such a lousy
attitude. So did Jim Clark. And Niki Lauda. And . . .  And . . . And . . .

>As for Mansell, he has blown 3 championships in the past. If he does not
>win with a car that gives him 2-3 seconds a lap advantage over the others
>he deserves a kicking. He had a car with 1 sec a lap advantage for most of
>last year and ZIP.

Maybe I should have titled the original mail "Mansell: Love him or hate him" :-)
The Williams was one second a lap faster than the field for most of last year?
I don't think so. The first four races were runaway McLaren/Honda, and the
McLaren also appeared to be the better car for the last two races. Yes, the
Williams/Renault was the better car to have for some of the remaining races,
but there were also times where the Ferrari was outqualifying the Williams.
And, of course, the unreliability of the Williams gearbox was also a factor.
Mansell may well have had 3 championships by now if all that mattered was
his driving ability.  He lost one championship because Goodyear made a lousy
call on how well the tyres would last; he lost a very good chance at another
because his pit crew made a complete mess of a wheel change.  And yes, he
probably lost one because he drove the car too hard and it broke. I still think
that is better than losing a championship because you are driving the car slowly
so that it won't fall apart.  After all, Senna did exactly the same in 1989!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Faster drivers
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:34:39 GMT

thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
> Sorry, but to the public, the driver is it, and the team are just
> the supporters (note that I don't agree with this view of things,
> that's just the way it is.) No one goes to a race to see the McLaren
> mechanics in their beautiful red and white clothing, they go to see
> Senna and Berger.

Actually, to some extent this isn't true.  Sure, the drivers are the big
stars, but for me (and many others), the design, development and technology
of F1 are a constant source of interest and fascination.  Witness the
reactive suspension discussions on the net, the chassis details in every
Autosport race report, the fascination with chassis designers (has anyone
ever heard who designs the NASCAR chassis?), the discussions about engine
power, the aerodynamic development reports, ...

There is a lot more to F1 than just driving.  And that's the only reason we
put up with races like Kyalami!  :)

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: GOB championship algorithm
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:23:57 GMT

calvin@neptune.UUCP (Calvin Sanders) writes:

>They are fairly similiar, and have exactly the same potential, but Junior's
>heads will not be legal when the new head rules come into effect (does anyone
>know exactly which race that is?).

Michigan, on June 21.  As of Daytona, both the old Ford heads and the
old Pontiac/Brodix heads will be illegal.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Mario, oh Mario.... Anyone home ?!?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:18:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr14.155724.23623@NOC.Vitalink.COM> edc@noc.vitalink.com writes:
>
>  (stuff deleted about mario and cheever)
>
>A.J. has accepted the fact that there are better, faster drivers out 
>there now and that he's not on top anymore. 
>
>  (more stuff deleted)
>
I agree, but wasn't it just a bit sad to see AJ signing autographs 
assembly-line-style as ABC went to a commercial?

-s
From: curtisj@cae.wisc.edu (Curtis Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GIF's of NASCAR
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:04:52 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

If you can, let me know what you have for Nascar GIF's, I tried mailing
you, but it bounced......

I'd really be interested if you have a picture of the Snicker's Ford.

Thanx,

-Curt

curtisj@cae.wisc.edu

or

curtis@garfield.cs.wisc.edu
From: dwwalls@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David W. Walls)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:03:40 GMT
Organization: Dept of CS Ball State University Muncie In

In article <1992Apr10.065243.867@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) writes:
>
>is true. But you are always trying to explain Mansel's mistakes. 
>He would be much more happy now if someone had told him "Ok Mansell now it
>is time to learn how to save your car, and let's win this championship" 
>instead of keep hiding his mistakes with such words as "Mansel, this
>was not your fault but just bad luck".
>
>Gilberto  

I have to agree with Gilberto.  I am definitely a Mansell fan (I can prove it,
I read his autobiography 'Driven to Win' ;-) ), but he is too hard on his     
equipment.  He always calls it bad luck.  Well Nige, you create your own luck!
Take the example of Japan '90.  He could have had the win, but when he tried to
go SCREAMING out of the pits, he broke the tranny.  I think he is learning      nowadays, though.  For example, did you ever watch his crew in action after the
Right-Rear hub incident.  They take their sweet time now (10-11 sec stops       instead of 8-9 sec stips ;-) ).  So basically, I think he is learning, but
he is going about it the hard way.  I will admit, he is one of the most         exciting drivers, when he isn't leading that is!  I love Italy '89!  The spin
of the track and the recovery!  He lost only two seconds from the driver he was chasing!  What a drive!  (He also DNF'ed because the radiators picked up to
much debris from his off-road jaunt!)

Dave Walls
dwwalls@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <1992Apr14.164637.14959@maths.tcd.ie>, madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor) writes:
|> In <johnl.222z@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
|> >>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
|> >>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything 
|> >>about this?  Possibility is that the >
|> 
|> 
|> Sounds likely, there has been a lot of talk of BMW powering
|> McLaren's in '94. One should notice that BMW are designing 
|> the engine for the McLaren road-car, not Honda! It is
|> a 6.0 litre V12. BM also introduced recently two new V8's for their
|> own road-cars, a 4.0, 3.0. The 3l is said to be much smoother
|> and powerful than the present V6 incumbent.

There is no v6 currently in BMW's range, and the straight 6 is
renowned as one of the worlds smoothest engines. I think there were
other considerations eg emissions, power, market position etc that
confirmed their decision to build a V8. 

Incidentally a BMW V16 (yes V16!) is currently being tested in a Rolls 
Royce!! The V16 is 2 V8's put together lengthwise ( see CAR for details).

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Mansell and rev-limiter
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:21:19 GMT


The Autoweek article says that after Mansell pitted, he turned off his
rev-limiter and did a couple of laps at qualifying speed to be in front
of Patrese after he made his stop. If you taped the race, you can watch
the on-board camera shot of him switching off the rev-limiter on the
right hand side behind the steering wheel on his way of of the pits.
His strategy worked well, especially since he didn't even have any traffic
in front on him after pitting when he did those fast laps.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 08:54:30 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 (SPOILER)
Distribution: world

I think the last time they  were this strong is when Piquet and Mansell
were teammates at Williams. I think they had Honda turbo power. It
could have been when Piquet and Patrese were teammates at Williams. I
don't think that they have ever been as strong as they are now. I don't
think they will be able to keep up these 1-2 placings. If Mr. Schumacher
had the power I think he would be able to keep up with the Williams boys.

Jonathan Swaby
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:47:00 GMT

Learned last night that Bobby Hillin would be the next driver for Cale.

David
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Mansell NOT faster than Senna in 1991
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:45:20 GMT

Recent claims on the net that Mansell was 1 sec per lap faster 
than Senna last year are not supported by the facts.  Here is 
the difference in times between the grid times of Mansell and 
Senna (and the name of the pole sitter) in all the races last 
year.  A negative number means Mansell was slower by xx s.

   Time difference         Pole

   -1.784                  Senna           
   -0.514                    "
   -0.489                    "
   -0.961                    "
   +0.093                  Patrese
   +0.286                    "
   -0.038                    "
   +0.679                  Mansell         (GB)
   +0.187                    "
   -1.242                  Senna
   -1.017                    "
   -0.133                    "
   -0.233                  Patrese
   +0.094                  Berger
   -0.024                    "
   -0.779                  Senna           (Aus)

To summarize:  Mansell had a faster grid time five out of 
sixteen times but was never 1 sec faster.  Senna, on the other 
hand, was more than 1 s faster three times and approximately
half a second faster no less than 7 times.  Perhaps those who
claim Mansell was faster would like to justify such a view ! :-)

I am aware that grid times are not always representative of race
times but at least its an objective evaluation.  Mansell trys to
get pole even if he does not succeed, so does Senna.

Ross Taylor


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: terminology questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:00:30 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: terminology questions.  armco barriers.  chicane, etc

I know what a chicane is (a small kink intentionally introduced
into otherwise straight track to slow cars down)  but where does the
term come from.  chicanery?  seems like a pretty far reach.  does
anybody know what the etymology of the term is?

what, exactly, is an armco barrier?  I've heard the term used a
bunch but I don't know what it means.  I had the impression that the
catch fence involved in the JD McDuffie crash last year was an example
but other comments have lead me to believe that that's not true.

what other types of barriers are there?  I know about New Jersey
barriers (not usually used in racing except for walls), ripple strips,
FIA curbs.  what other types are there?  could some encyclopaedic
individual enlighten us?

Thanks				-Hans