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From: met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot)
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter: Prophet of Doom!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:50:25 GMT

lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

>In article <sf_dKF200iV0I45FJT@andrew.cmu.edu> jg4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua Galiotto) writes:
>>
>>Well okay, I admit the the title's a bit melodramatic- but hey, I AM
>>talking about Dr. Beter aint I?!
>>
>>Here's are questions: is Dr. Beter (of Audio Letter fame, of course)
>>still alive? And if so, what's the guy got to say for himself now that

>No...he died, I think, in 1984.

>>history has turned out so drastically different than he and his
>>"oh-so-knowledgable" sources had forecasted? I hope he's still alive.
>>I'd be interested in hearing his half-assed explanation of things (not
>>to mention rubbing a bit of history in his face.)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???

>Pk...so please point out for us all where his history is wrong.
>Please include references so we can back up your stements
>ourselves?

You don't seriously belive the guck about particle weapons
on the moon, do you?  Or the battle which he claims took place there?
Think about the logistics of covering something like that up (aside
from the fact that technology which he describes is simply
not possible in a number of cases, and unrealistic in others - coming from
a physics major!).  You would need to buy the silence of
1.  People who designed described particle weapons.
2.  People who built particle weapons.
3.  People who installed particle weapons.
4.  People who designed new space technology required.
5.  People who built new space technology.
6.  People who flew in said craft.
7.  Families of all of the above.
I'm assuming here that someone has posted his letter about the "Battle
of the Harvest Moon," which describes a battle US and Soviet forces
fought on the moon.  It got posted to sci.physics a while back, and
was the subject of much amusement.  If it hasn't been posted here, I'll
try and dig it up.

>>
>>
>>Until next post, God willing, this is Dr. Galiotto..
>>
>>...waitaminnit! I'm not a doctor!...
>>
>>
>>Beware the particle beam cannons of the moon! And swim not in America's
>>ponds, lest ye klunk your head off a Soviet nuclear warhead! 

>Yo Dude! I already glow in the dark due to nuke contamination of
>the food chain!

>Dr. Len ;^)

>--
>*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
>The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
>use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
>		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: exumbe@exu.ericsson.se (Melissa Bell,xt-dl,x0100)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: BANK CLOSURES (FDIC ACT)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:36:39 GMT
Reply-To: exumbe@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 1299600107@igc.apc.org, elite@igc.apc.org (Elite Enterprises) writes:
> 
> ANY AND ALL INFORMATION NEEDED REGARDING THE NEW FDIC IMPROVEMENT ACT
> WHICH TAKES EFFECT IN THE USA, DEC 19, 1992?
> 
> ROBERT
> 
> P.S. WHAT FEDERAL ACT TOOK PLACE IN THE EARLY 1980'S CAUSING ALL BANKS
> TO BE CHARTERED FROM WASHINGTON, DC.


The only information I have is not solid.  I haven't heard of bank closures, but
I have heard of plans to change from the current monetary system to another one.
I guess it would be sort of like when they changed to the current system we are
using from the use of Confederate money.  Who knows!?!  If anyone has heard of
this, please let me know.

Melissa
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discordia
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Bohemian Party???
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:15:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.084641.16462@u.washington.edu> pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau) writes:
>
>howdy,
> 
>   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
>   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
>   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
>   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
>   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
>   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
>   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
>   of it' like i have, please email me or post.
>

sounds to my like whoever told you this had just finished Illuminatus 
Trilogy and was looking to see who he could get to believe this kinda
stuff.
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Judge Not)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Dr. Beter ain't no DiNardo?
Keywords: Hippo-critters
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:53:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I never agreed with the treatment DiNardo received, but that's my problem.

What puzzles me is...why aren't you all whining about the numerous Dr. Beter
posts? Is it because you believe them?  Isn't one or two examples of his 
audio letter more than enough?  If you want more of his letters, send him
money...

I really don't care who posts what.  Live and let live.  Relax.

                  O     O
                     >

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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13183 talk.politics.misc:64311
From: bz965@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Hatch)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Gritz and Identity
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:22:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Many on the net have questioned the facts surrounding James "Bo"
Gritz collaboration with Christian Identity and Populist Party
elements. The following advertisement appeared in the July 9,1991
edition of the Spotlight newspaper. I have tried to copy it here
as best is possible, given the limitations of typeface, etc...:
 
 
          FIRST NATIONAL CHRISTIAN HERITAGE CONFERENCE
 
                 Populist-Identity-Patriotic
 
 
                          Speakers:
 
A. J. Barker (NC), Chairman--"Populists on the Move Now."
 
"Bo" Gritz (Ariz.)--"Drugs-MIA/POW Cover Ups."
 
Richard Kelly Hoskins (Va.)--"Prepare for Battle."
 
Kirk Lyons (Texas)--"Defender of Your Rights-Any Time, 
Any Place."
 
Eustace Mullins (Va.)--"More Proof of the Worldwide Conspiracy"
 
Jon Shudnick (Fla.)--"Identity Has Given You Full Knowledge."
 
Bob Weems (Miss.)--"Populism and the Battle for Racial, National,
Personal, and Spiritual Freedom."
 
[The ad then listed time, place and contact information, which 
I am not including for obvious reasons.]
 
Gritz's involvement in this meeting will probably be excused
by some as mere "association." In fact, appearance as a
featured speaker at an event ordinarily indicates an agreement 
with the goals of the event.
 
The book Blood in the Face by James Ridgeway (Thunder's Mouth 
Press, 1990, page 131) identifies Weems as "a Mississippi Klan 
leader, who took the reins [of the Populist Party] in 1984."
 
Mullins is the author of the book-length anti-Jewish diatribe 
titled The Biological Jew, which refers to Jews as "parasites" 
and worse at great length. I can provide further quotation if
anyone is so foolish as to argue on this point.
 
The advertisement makes plain that the event is part of the
Identity movement and one talk is clearly on Identity Christianity.
Gritz referred to the "Identity Christian movement" in his book 
Called to Serve (pg. 627.) Gritz also chose to "relax for
a while" (Called to Serve, pg 485) at Identity preacher Pete
Peters' Colorado encampment.
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Justice conspiracy, anyone?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:55:37 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:59:12 GMT

In article <geturner.724108659@aer.com> George Turner, geturner@aer.com
writes:
>The real crime of "Iran-Contra" was the passage of the Boland Amendment.
>A "Stab in the Back" if ever there was one.  It really shows how little
>control the president has over the budget process and by extension, the
>deficit.  Congress basically says, "Pass this or the country comes to a
halt."
>George Bush tried, remember early in his presidency when the National
>Parks were closed?  You really can't blame Ronald Reagan or George Bush
>for the deficit.  Where they were able to make some cuts, they were 
>characterized in the media for "tearing apart the cities".

This is incredibly naive.  A real president wouldn't have ballooned
defense
spending out of control, a significant factor in the huge Reagan
deficits. This 
build-up was unnecessary (some ex-Soviet officials have even stated that
it was counter-productive) but was treated as the budgetary version of the
holy grail. The only things that Reagan or Bush ever suggested cutting was
much-needed infrastructure spending.

FACT: Neither Bush nor Reagan EVER submitted a balanced budget, despite
their posturing.

FACT: The Reagan and Bush submitted budgets always had bigger deficits
than
the ones passed later by Congress.

Let us forget these facts and assume there is some basis for what you
say (there isn't, but I'll play along). A real
president would have showed some backbone, stood his ground, and blamed
the
"halt" on the congress using his unlimited access to the news media to
wrangle the support of the public. Reagan was actually quite good at
this, but
he never used it for this purpose.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:08:43 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Dec14.191336.8202@mont.cs.missouri.edu> jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:
>The planned CIA overthrow will presumably involve the anti-Castro   
>Cuban contingent of the CIA, which has lately been launching raids 
>onto Cuban soil -- attacks presumably ordered by high CIA officials.
>These raids have been well concealed by the corporate mass media,
>controller of information and thought among the people of our nation.

  Then it is interesting that I haven't heard anything about it in the
Swedish media who have their share of friends of Castro^H^H^H^H^H^HCuba.

  Ain't it annoying to have 'furreiners on the net? :)

>    John DiNardo

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: A Letter to the Editor
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:16:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec14.200911.781@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hoza@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (HOZA MARK R) writes:
]I, too, am worried about the Somalian situation.  You may note that it is not
]our President's decision any more than it is the decision of Congress.  The
]U.S. is no longer a soveriegn country.  We have a treaty with the United
]Nations, and when the UN says go, we go.  I heard one of the President's 
]advisors (?) say on public radio that "This has been a United Nations operation
]from the word 'go'."
]
]What a nice New World Order.  A world run by the Illuminati through the UN and
]of the member nations' armies.

I read a recent issue of the Wall Street Journal today. It had an article
describing the current UN Secretary General's desire to establish a standing
army for the UN. Any thoughts on this?
 
]Mark 


-- 
Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are 
#^%$!! Militarist          |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein
(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: An open letter to Chip Berlet
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:news.cerf.net:4004:cdp:1299600154:000:2463
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Dec 14 21:12:00 1992


Dear John W. Redelfs:
   I posted the previous reply to remind you of the tone and
content of the previous message concerning me and my work which
you now characterize in your own mind as harmless. You say you
"tried to track a bunch of this stuff down, but so far all I've
found are a bunch of rumors and unsubstantiated gossip." If that
is so, and you say it, then I would argue that your are either not
competant at research or dishonest. I say this because this same
conference has included posts quoting from Gritz speeches and his
book. This is in addition to such <facts> as Gritz being David
Duke's first runing mate in 1988, and the nature of the Populist
Party which he heads up. You may inspect this material and decide
that you disagree with the analysis--that is fair--but to imply
that I am a "rumor monger" with some hidden agenda is a nasty
personal attack.
  So you have your facts and your courtesy in bad repair. I
believe that a competant researcher, and any reasonable person,
has had plenty of information on which to base a judgement of
Gritz.
  When Gritz becomes head of the Populist Party, a Party started
by refugees from the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazi outfits, and the
leading Holocaust denial group in the world, this makes a very
clear statement about who he is and what he stands for.
  When Gritz praises Christian Identity, a philosophy that
dehumanizes Jews as agents of satan and considers Blacks to be
sub-human, this reveals much about Gritz and his views.
  When Gritz says Jewish banking families run the Federal Reserve,
this is classic anti-Semitism--the time-honored Jewish banking
conspiracy is a pet theme of Hitler, among others.
   When Gritz promotes the work of Eustace Mullins, one of the
most vile anti-Jewish bigots in the world, it means something
about Gritz and his politics.
  When Gritz writes in his newsletter that supermarket bar codes
are a sign of the Beast, it suggests that he is not rowing with
both oars.
  So the problem, John, is not rumors, but your refusal to
acknowledge the facts. We can disagree on the analysis, that's
what debate is all about.  But to say that there are no facts is a
lie, pure and simple.
  I am personally offended by your remarks about me and my work. I
  have a perfect right to be offended given what you said. If you
care to apologize for the rashness of your previous post, I will
upload the current biographical information sheet I hand out to
reporters.
-Chip Berlet
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13118 alt.revisionism:848
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:55:48 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1ge5v0INN5vc@agate.berkeley.edu>, lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:

[text deleted]

 
> That's because treason involves adhering to ENEMIES of the United
> States. If the US and Israel were at war, then Pollard would ALSO have
> been guilty of treason, on top of espionage. (I oppose the Pollard
> early-release idea, BTW.) Treason is not just working for a foreign

What Englishman said "Treason doth ne'er prosper; for if treason prosper,
none dare call it treason."  Was the assassination of JFK byconspiratorial
US citizens, as appears more and more likely every day, treason?  Is
connivance by influential US power brokers related to defense and inter-
national banking interests to push the US into wars for profit treason?               
If Roosevelt did indeed attack German shipping six months before Pearl
Harbor as some scholars claim in order to push the US into the war
in order 'to defend the British Empire to the last drop of American
blood' was that a treasonous act?  If Roosevelt and other high officials
did in fact know of the impending invasion of Pearl Harbor and had
purposefully frustrated trade negotiations with the Japanese to increase
the likelihood of war, was that treason?  If indeed that was the
character of our wartime leader and Pound in his eccentric genius
saw through the facade, was he treasonous to warn the American people?
[Said without in anyway condoning his prewar fascination with Il Duce.]

[deleted]

> My curiosity on this subject was piqued by your evident agreement with
> Pound on economic questions, the Federal Reserve, etc. Pound saw those
> institutions as Jew-controlled. Evidently you differ from him in this
> respect, but not on their perniciousness.
> 
> andy

I certainly agree that the federal reserve system is a pernicious 
institution.  I could give a damn about the ethnicity of the bankers
involved.  His prescience concerning the fed seems particularly
remarkable today as we witness our banking industry crumble before
our very eyes, noting that the groundwork for today's disturbing
news was laid in 1913 with its establishment.

-Joe
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13080 alt.revisionism:847
From: jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,misc.headlines,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Part 26, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Summary: Well, Mr. DiNardo, do you or don't you want nations?
	 (Nations are abominations!)
Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc.,  CIA desecrates the People's Constitution
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:04:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.society.civil-liberty
Organization: Independence Industries, Los Angeles

In article <1992Dec10.203929.8834@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:

     This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted     
     and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government.  
     This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism
     is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the 
     mindless support of the Government, just because it happens to be ours.
     You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it.
     Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country
     in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic
     cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's
     freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series
     to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places,
     both on and off campus.  That would be a truly patriotic deed.

       John DiNardo

On the one hand, Mr. DiNardo implicitly condemns nations by publishing
"EXTRATERRESTRIAL OBSERVERS' Report to the Galactic Council"
("...These "nations" have, for centuries, dedicated themselves to
murder...").  Then, he turns around and endorses and embraces a nation
by referring to the U.S.  government as "our" (his) Government,
revealing that he harbors exactly the attitude that perpetuates
nation-states.

If not even Mr. DiNardo realizes that to get rid of nations, he and
hundreds of millions of others will have to _disown_ them, we are
indeed in deep trouble.

And once he has disowned it, he will no longer refer to it as "our"
government.  It will be "theirs", if anybody's.

_Of course_ nations will thrive, with people like Mr. DiNardo so
devoted to trying to maintain and improve them.

There is indeed a cancer.  And the cancer is democratic political
government --- the widespread idea that it's OK to try to impose on
others, provided that you do it by secret ballot.

 |  Voting in government elections, or petitioning government, or willfully  |
 |  accepting government ``benefits'' when it's feasibly avoidable (thereby  |
 |  generating demand for taxation), accelerate the supplanting of personal  |
 |  choice by collective dictate,  making these most serious crimes against  |
 |  humanity.  ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar  |

-- 
        Relations among people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
         ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13270 ba.politics:7792
From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Nixon Tapes - A New Chapter
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:13:56 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb
Keywords: covert, break-in, hunt, cbc, foia, libertarian, bush, reagan, drugs

Go read the article by Seymour Hersch [sp?] in the December 14 (I
think that is right) issue of _The New Yorker_.  I think this is the
source of what you heard on CBC.  (Lately, The NYer has been most
interesting.  See if you can find the article within the last couple
of months about emerging viruses.)

David Chase
Sun
From: busta@vicki.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Oswald/Lovelady controversy
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:10:17 GMT


In article <11DEC199213294014@zeus.tamu.edu>, ajs9462@zeus.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE) writes...
>In article <schuck.724093503@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...
> 
>>With all the photographs and film shot that day, isn't there a picture
>>of Lovelady around to compare?
> 
>Josiah Thompson covers the subject of Oswald and Lovelady pretty thoroughly
>towards the end of "Six Seconds in Dallas" and concludes that it is Lovelady.
>There are "mug shots" of Oswald and Lovelady as well as a blowup of the Altgens
>photo. In my opinion, these pictures coupled with witnesses who were on the
>steps with Lovelady show that the person in the picture is Lovelady.



  Then how do you explain the fact that Lovelady stated that he was wearing
 a short-sleeved red and white vertical striped shirt, even wore the shirt
 for FBI photos, and the Altgens photo clearly shows that whoever that
 person is was NOT wearing anything of the sort.......





> 
>Tony Simon
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