HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Rollie's assistants in the news
Keywords:  Villanova, Xavier, Loyola Marymount
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:21:03 GMT

Sorry about that last article.  I had yesterday's article in the same file
& reposted it.  Here is what I meant to say:

Two of Rollie Massimino's former assistants were mentioned on CNN last
night.  Pete Gillen has withdrawn his name from Villanova, stating that
he likes Cincinnati, and wants to stay at Xavier.

Meanwhile, John Olive has accepted the head coaching job at Loyola Marymount.
He had stated he wanted to succeed Rollie at Villanova, and was reported to be
under consideration for the Rice job.

Mark



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: D00K R00LZ!!!!!!
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 11:09:01 GMT

Hey baby!  Dook's the GREATEST!!!

But what was wrong with LAETNNER at halftime???  Why didn't anybody on
TV mention anything about it???  They got to be more on the BALL!!!

But LAETNNER showeed what he was made of in the second half!  He's the
REAL REAL DEAL!!!

But the greatest thing was those cool announcers on the TV said Dook was the
first team to REPEAT in a long time!  But I didn't here who the last team to
repeat was!  They must have been AWESOME too!!!

So could anybody tell me who that team was???

And will Dook beat that team's REPEAT record next year??!?!!

- TRENT LANGE!!!

-- 
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*         D00K R00LZ!!!   GO BOBBY HURLY!!!   THREEPEET!!!              *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bonacci@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI  John)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:47:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.151340.18656@ee.gatech.edu> wung@habetler.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>
>All these ILLINI thoughts have got me thinking about the one thing that has bugged me
>for awhile.  Does anyone out there think that Lou is doing an outstanding job?  I
>mean the guy can recruit like crazy, but it seems like his teams are big time underachievers, this year notwithstanding.  The final four team seemed like they
>were unbeatable, but they played like crap and Lou let them play like crap.  Then
>there is the Austin Peay debacle.  After witnessing Coach K's performance the last
>two years, it seems like the Illini need to have a new man on the bench.
>
>Any thoughts out there on this?
>
>Pete Wung
>
>PS I don't think he does a good job of graduating people either.

Well, for starters, if you're not sure about his graduation rate, then
for heaven's sake don't bring it up.  It never ceases to amaze me how
effective irresponsible journalism has been in smearing the Illini
reputation.  Irresponsible newsnetting seems to follow suit.

If the Illini canned Henson and put someone else there, it could be nothing
more than a statement of dissatisfaction with tournament performance.  It
is hard to assail his overall output over the last 10 years.  Is a coach
hired to bring his team to the Final Four?  And the list of coaches that
could guarantee better tournament results at Illinois is probably pretty
small, assuming the administration is even interested.

Henson is much maligned.  He is not Coach K when it comes to tournament
results.  But who is?  He has brought some talent there that never seemed
to develop, this is true.  But mostly of offensive output only.  Henson
usually produces outstanding defensive players.  But it's kind of hard to ask 
for a LOT more than a decade full of 20+ win seasons and annual trips to the 
tournament with decent seedings.  The Final Four team let the fans down
by losing to Michigan.  Do you fire him for that?  That guy in the red sweater
went out of his way to help his team lose to Duke in the semis this year.
Bet he'll still be around for a while! :-)

Respectfully,
JB 
(go Illini, next time!)
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:58:11 GMT
	<OLIVER.92Apr8123104@ballard1.mit.edu> <53965@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <53965@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) wrote:
> In article <OLIVER.92Apr8123104@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu
(James D. Oliver III) writes:

>>And I'm real curious as to which year Kentucky won the Olympics.

> To satisfy your curiosity, it was in the 1947-48 season, at the 
> Olympics in London.  

Well, I'll be damned.  Guess you learn something every day.

Suprising, given the net.nature of things, that we don't hear about this
little tidbit, oh, five-six times a week.  Like we would if UCLA had ever
done it. 
--
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:33:08 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
>at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
>honest - no false claims.

In high school, I was 5'10" 150.  Now at age 30, I'm stil 5'10" 150 though
the 150 has redistributed itself a little.  I was all-district in high school
and made all-intramural teams as an undergrad at Vanderbilt as a point
guard/shooting guard.  I could have tried to play some JUCO ball, but was
never quick enough to really make up for being 5'10".  However, I doubt
seriously if I could have turned back the clock and been a senior at Duke this
year I could have beaten out Ron Burt for the walkon spot.  He's a playground
legend around here.  

Here at Duke I've organized a departmental IM team for the last six years.  Up 
until this past season, when a Ph.D. defense and several publications occupied 
my time, I had a chance to play in pickup games to get ready for the season.  
The IM team at Duke is "recreational", that is, several of the players may not 
have much if any competitive hoops playing experience.  I am still good at 
anticipating what is about to occur on the floor, but my reflexes are shot.  
I've been averaging about 15-20 per game for the last several years, usually 
hitting 2 or 3 3's per game.  Due to my lack of time/interest any more for 
pickup games, I feel like the Jimmy Connors quote applies to my game.

"By the time you get all this wisdom and experience you're too old to do
anything with it."

For example, I believe I am technically a better shooter now than I was in
high school and college.  I still shoot about 80% from the line.  But now 
after 5 minutes I have no spring in my legs.  In high school I could dunk a 
volleyball (hands too small to palm a b-ball).  Now I can't touch the rim.  
At 30, I know I could still counteract these physical deficiencies if I want, 
but I find random pick-up games quite boring.  The average possession
lasts 5 seconds, and there's at most one pass.  Give me some of that good
tough half-court pick-setting, moving without the ball type hoops, and I'll
play all day.

-- 
Ronnie Smith             Duke University                Durham, NC 
 Addresses: CSNET: rws@duke  UUCP: decvax!duke!rws  INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu

The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: R.S.B.C. Picks
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:16:54 GMT

jnhawk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>I Just don't believe that you guys are still picking Laettner as the
>number #1 pick in the N.B.A. drafts this year.

Who dey?  I didn't see anyone picking Laettner first.

>There are two simple reasons why he will not be a #1 pick.

And here they are:

	1. Shaquille
	2. O'Neil



--Gidi
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All Rookie Team?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:50:26 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

Just an observation. All rookie team has no Pac10 or for that matter any pla
yer from West coast. Another case of media bias?
From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Lloyd Daniels (was Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:56:38 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <3324@equinox.unr.edu>, alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
> In article <matthew.702588685@pram.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> 
>>So, who's gonna pick up the slack and get all the Lloyd Daniels of the world?
>  
> I think as far as college hoops go, the Lloyd Daniels of the world are a
> dying breed; even the normally unrepentant Tark said (more than once) that
> "Lloyd Daniels was the biggest mistake I ever made". 
> 
> As an interesting sidenote, the two most prominent recruiters of Lloyd
> Daniels, Larry Brown and Tark, are both with the same organization now.


Did I miss something?  What does Tark have to do with LAC?

> Maybe we'll see Lloyd in a Clipper uniform next year?

Maybe not.

Maybe we'll see Shaq.

maybe not.

5000
Gregg Horan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: yoonho@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park)
Subject: Re: Horns, Trojans, Miners, Tigers, and now UC... I am devastated !..
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 15:12:03 GMT

R. Jayakrishnan writes:
>R. Jayakrishnan writes:
>>R. Jayakrishnan writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>  First I was all for the Horns. They lost..
>>>  Then I was all for the Trojans. They lost..
>>>  Then I was all for the Miners. They also lost...
>>>
>>>  I need a new team to support. One that excites my imagination...
>>>
>>>  I know, I know, I still have one.  Yes, they are the Memphis State
>>>  Tigers. 
>>>
>>  Oh, Lord.. There goes Memphis State..
>>
>>  Heck, I don't know much about Cincinnati to hate them.. So I have to 
>>  just root for them from now on !
>
> Well, that was that for the Bearcats.
>
> God, why do you punish me like this ?  I am left between the devil and
> the deep sea.. oops... devils and the wolves (oops.. wolverines)...
>
> I have to support some team..  I guess I have to pick the freshmen to
> support. At least *I* didn't see any of them dancing on some poor guy's
> chest !
>
> GO Wolverines !    (Now that the Horns, Trojans, Miners, Tigers
>                     and the Bearcats aren't going nowhere...)
>
> Jay

OH NO!!!  Now the Wolverines have to overcome the Kiss of Death!  This
is going to be tough for them...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yoonho Park                                    Software Systems Research Lab
yoonho@eecs.umich.edu                  The University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: +++DUKE WINS AGAIN!!!+++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:46:52 GMT

DUKE OUTMATCHES A VERY YOUNG, DETERMINED, AND ONE H___ OF A GOOD MICHIGAN 
                       WOLVERINE TEAM 71-51!!!!!

     Despite a very well executed game plan by Michigan, THE DUKE BLUE DEVILS 
are the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW.

     In my opinion:  Michigan played one of the best halves of basketball on 
Monday night, up until halftime.  They shut Christian totally out of the entire
game and limited the resources that Coach K. could fire.

     I see a good team in the Wolverines and I look for them to be contenders 
for the next several years.  What made me sad was to see Webber, the Michigan
MVP, crying during the last few minutes of the game.  Webber had an outstanding
night of basketball despite Michigan's loss to DUKE.

     Even though I may be a Buckeye, I congradulate Michigan on a fine season 
and an excellent game on Monday.  (Next year OSU will take ya!!!!  He, He, 
He!!)

     Congradulations to all the DUKE BLUE DEVILS and most of all TO ALL OF US 
FANS OUT THERE...Not bad to be the #1 team for last year, the entire year this 
year, and now next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE HYPEMAN

MAXEE D
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: It didn't take long...
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:53:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

I just saw a guy on Franklin Street in Chapel Hill wearing what must
have been a recently printed T-shirt.  I couldn't make out all of it,
but I did see "The Spectrum" and "Laettner".

Oh, and it had a footprint across the chest.  

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU/DUKE Officals
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:56:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Apr6.163624.14590@colorado.edu> burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>Jonathan Paul Heuring writes:
>>Someone wrote that something has to be done, but what?  I don't think any rules
>>can be changed.  Stricter supervision of officials, maybe, but they'll still
>>call the games they're own way.  What can be done?
>
>How about suspending refs for a game if they blow it? Hey, coaches and 
>players are held accountable in this way, why not the refs?
>
>T-Bone

Actually, this might not be all that lousy of an idea, except that 
soon none of the refs around would be able to call a game!

In the SEC (and perhaps other conferences), at the end of the 
basketball season, coaches are asked to submit the names of a
couple of conference refs that they *don't* want to see calling
their games for the next season.  Usually each coach picks 
different refs, but at least this system has the potential that,
if one particular turkey was screwing everybody over royally,
he would find himself unemployed the next season (at least in
one conference).

Perhaps this system ought to be extended to the NIT and NCAA
tournaments.  If more than, say, 15-20% of the teams have had
problems with somebody, that person would be prevented from
calling a tournament game the next year.  That would be a 
particular insult, since it was my understanding that the 
NCAA tried to reward the best refs by letting them call NCAA
games.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
^  Electro-Optics Laboratory                                          ^
^  Atlanta, Georgia       "This sort of thing has come up before,     ^
^  30332                    and every time, it has been due to        ^
^  404-894-3628                      human error".                    ^
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From: klund@onza.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:33:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr11.143356.798

In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu>  writes:
> This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you  
net.gods
> at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
> honest - no false claims.

Let's see, I lettered two years in high school, was tri-captain my senior  
year. (College freshman now)  I'm a 6'3" off-guard/wing player and am very  
streaky.  I set my school record with 6 treys in a game once, and in  
another game missed all five of them.  My problem is that I'm too slow to  
play college, so I'll just try to be a completely offense minded  
intra-mural god who doesn't play the D.

ya' gotta love it!

Kevin L
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (Bryan S. Leudy)
Subject: Re: Steve Fisher: Good or Bad Coach?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 09:38:49 EDT
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan

In article <Zwp+ML+@engin.umich.edu> martyp@caen.engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>I want to know what everyone on the net thinks of Steve Fisher's 
>coaching abilty? I am not completely sold on him being a great
>coach. If you think he is a good/bad coach, then why?
>Personally, I think he went to the Final Four twice because he
>was blessed with talent, had lots of luck, and just let 'em
>play. My grandma could have taken them to the Final Four
>twice.....
>
Just letting them play is a rather innovative move in college play.
In fact, I think Fisher's work is often along those lines:  quiet
tinkering and lots of trust.  He's almost the antithesis of dear
Bobby.  Time will tell if he's a great coach or even a good coach
but for now, I'm convinced that he knows how to recruit and build
a team, make adjustments (e.g. Temple, OK St.), and teach defense.
 
   
 
--
Luedy@mailgw.drda.umich.edu
--


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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: preseason top 10 - no order
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  7 Apr 92 17:20:39 GMT

Frankly, it's just a little early to make these lists, given that lots of 
players haven't announced their NBA intentions yet (e.g. Harold Miner, 
Jimmy Jackson, Mike Lanier).  What's more, there are still more coaching
moves to be made (Lute Olsen to UNLV as Massamino's assistant in charge of
recruiting, Bill Frieder back to Michigan, you get the idea).

I'm interested that there have been lots of top-10 lists and none (so far)
has UCLA on it.  I expect the Bruins to hover around the ten spot next 
year (assuming they don't let Harrick go).  They lose MacLean, Martin, and
Madkins, which is considerable, but have Tarver and O'Bannon growing up (and
Zimmerman, don't forget him).

I don't see them as any worse off than, say, a North Carolina team that loses
its only outside shooter (Hubert Davis).  Unless Donald Williams and Henrik
Roedl step up and start hittin' the three's, it could be a long year in Chapel
Hill.

Anyhow, this discussion should probably be curtailed until summer, when
hardships and transfers make the picture a little clearer.
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Big Rumor : Jim Harrick to Villanova
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:18:49
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
Distribution: na
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: KGZXK@ASUACAD.BITNET's message of 3 Apr 92 15:55:36 GMT

>>>>> "Zafer" == Zafer KADIOGLU <KGZXK@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

  Zafer> ?Good idea Jim! Then we could watch Lute wet his pants *twice* every year.
  Zafer> --
  Zafer>             xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU

  Zafer>   By the way all you Pac-10 Lute haters, do you realize that Pac-10 is
  Zafer> at its present level because of Lute Olson.

Get a grip Zafer, I'm not just your average Lute hater. I'm a !!PAC-10!!
hater.

  Zafer>   You forgot the days everybody was goint East from California.
  Zafer> Few of the talent   went to OSU. (coach Miller)
  Zafer> Once Arizona became a power house, suddenly all the U's in Cal.
  Zafer> stared pooring money into Bball, but you do not remember those day,
  Zafer> do you ?

Nor do I care to. As witnessed by this year's NCAA tournament, you need a
little more than talent to earn your stripes. I'll just note that you made
absolutely no reference to Lute's *coaching* ability. And what's your
response to *Arizona* apparently dropping an annual game with UNLV? Is that
the mark of the savior of a conference? Running and hiding from strong
interstate rivals?

  Zafer> There is still not enough interest in Bball in Pac-10.

Well when they find a reason for said interest please let us know.

Your humble Atlantic Seaboard Press Conspirator.
--
            xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU	

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 		
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.		
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy

Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: What a crappy Championship game
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:54:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Duke-Fab5 sucked. What a letdown. In fact, what a lousy final 4.
A few more games like this and the Final 4 will be just like the superbowl--
all hype followed by (more often than not) a pathetic game.

I think this lends support to those of us who think that this was a off year
in college basketball. Congrats to duke for the repeat--thats hard to do even
if the opposition play like a bunch of stiffs.  Still this has to be one of the
weakest championship teams ever to have such a dominating season. I'm not so
much knocking Duke, as I am knocking the rest of college basketball.  Lets
hope for a better year next year.

Anyone see the comments about the officiating on Firestone's show?
They all seemed to agree that the refs were way to tight, and that the
NCAA should loosen em up. In particular they seemed to think the technical
against Knight was ridiculous--and very costly at a critical point in the game.

Roy
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: # 1 All Season
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:54:42 GMT

> 
> 	UNLV was rated #2 the year they won the title -- Oklahoma had the honor
> 	of being ranked #1 (and they ended up losing in the 2nd round of the
> 	tourney to North Carolina).  I think the only team in the post-UCLA
> 	era that was ranked all season at #1 was the 1982 North Carolina Tar
> 	Heels, with Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc...


I thought that Virginia was rated #1 at times that year.  Maybe flip-flopping
with UNC once or twice.  I remember they did that one year around 1982.

Ken
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Donta Bright/UMass/Dana Dingle
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:27:01 GMT
	<17494.29eac90f@ecs.umass.edu> <17497.29eb0e8f@ecs.umass.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <17497.29eb0e8f@ecs.umass.edu> mcglynn@ecs.umass.edu writes:
}} 
}} It looks like next year's front court should be all set.  I hope Coach Cal
}} picks up a decent point guard before next season--I think that is where we
}} are hurting....

Well, Purdue has a couple to spare.  Apparently both Travis Trice and
Linc Darner are thinking about transferring.  If you want a slow,
steady player who shoots well from the outside, take Darner.  If you
want a player who inconsistently shows flashes of brillance and drives
well, take Trice.

Of course, you'll have to wait a year to use them, but Trice could use
a year of development anyway.  He should have gotten it this year, but
Keady isn't patient enough.

}} -- Mike McGlynn

sjc@cs.purdue.edu             Steve Chapin             Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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