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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:51:53 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>society?
>
>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?


First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.

I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
to import them into this country.

The one tragic incident was the result of thousands of individual acts
of barbarism, anyone of which could have ended the same way.

Time to take your liberal head out of the sand and quit making excuses
for a bad idea.

js
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From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:40:26 GMT

In article <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>>
>>Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
>>perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
>>culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
>>it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
>>made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of. 
>
>That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
>attempting to enter at this time bring nothing butt misery with them.
>We don't need anymore wretched refuse.  It's time to send the 
>Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.  They seem to
>want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.  The bucket is full.  NO
>HELP WANTED.
>

The vast majority of people entering at _any_ time bring nothing but
misery with them. For a person to leave their home, and come to a new
country, they've got to be pretty miserable, and usually, pretty
desperate.

But the fact that they're poor doesn't mean they're worthless. Every
new wave of emmigration has brought unhappy, poor people to America.
Every time, the assholes among the established people have preached
doom if we allow this wretched refuse to continue to come to our great
country. And every time, they've become a part of American society,
and American culture, and the assholes among their group start to
preach about the dangers of allowing the next group in.

You're mother is Jewish, right Jack? When did her family come to
America? What did they bring with them? And where would you be now if
the bastards like you had succeeded in not letting that family come
here?

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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:44:08 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>
>Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
>perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
>culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
>it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
>made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of. 

That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
attempting to enter at this time bring nothing butt misery with them.
We don't need anymore wretched refuse.  It's time to send the 
Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.  They seem to
want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.  The bucket is full.  NO
HELP WANTED.

js
From: kartik@hls.com (Kartik Chandrasekhar)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: India and Afghanistan
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:21:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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>Tell them at the Kashmiri border that you are an American free lance
>journalist and see how far into the country you get.  Maybe you can do
>better than the respected journalist, whose first hand report I heard, 
>who declared himself a tourist and feared for his safety if discovered  
>the whole time he was there.  Stories in Kashmir are obtained a bit
>differently in Kashmir these days than in San Diego.

He probably had more to fear from the terrorists than from the Indian
Armed forces. The militants in Kashmir supported by Islamic 
fundementalists and Pakistan are engaged in their own ethnic cleansing 
in the valley.

They have driven people out of Kashmir and have often kidnapped and
killed many foriegners and tourists who are declared to be infidels. 
Sometimes its their 'revealing' clothes that have drawn the ire of 
these fundementalists. The same problem is now raising its head in 
Egypt seriously affecting the 3 billion $ tourism industry.. The locals 
in Kashmir have not been spared either according to the frequent 
reports of  widespread rape and murder. 

The international media usually falls prey to the temptation of being
anti-establishment. However it is imperative that a balanced 
viewpoint be presented.

The 'controlled media' phenomenon is not restricted to India alone. 
Even western countries have used these tactics for manipulating and 
influencing the information feed to the people. Prime examples
are, the IRA problem in UK and operation Desert Storm. As these
examples indicate these tactics are sometimes neccesary and in
fact save lives.

ck
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Subject: Re: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
From: bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:15:46 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <C0IKz3.3G9@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>                 STATUE OF IMMIGRATION

>  
>  Most of us know the first few lines of her poem but when we 
>  hear them all, they take on a rather different complexion, 
>  particularly in light of the present over-populated and 
>  under-skilled society in America today.
	
	other than you Jack?



>  
>  "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning 
>  to breathe free, THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEEMING SHORE, 
>  send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
>                 ........................
>  
>  We have enough of our own wretched refuse; we don't need 
>  anymore.  It's time to take down the help wanted sign.  

	You're a twit, Jack


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From: spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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In article <C0IKz3.3G9@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> We have enough of our own wretched refuse; we don't need 
> anymore. ...

A straight line if I ever saw one...

							spl
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:51:31 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <93011.162849U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <C0IL3K.3KG@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>>
>> >From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
>>
>> >Aside from the fact that "and confused are they all" is an utterly un-
>> grammatical phrase....
>>
>> I like it and whether or not it is "ungrammatical", it is proper English.
> 
> My,what a cunning reply.....
> 
> Like it or not,Jack,"ungrammatical" might've been a bit of a misnomer as far as
> your humdinger of a sentence-ender is concerned. Maybe I should've called it
> "garbled" or (better yet) "pretentious" instead.....
> 
It is strange how Jack's "ungrammatical" sentence structure is found
over and over again in Louis Lamour's novels.  Of course Lamour was one
of the best selling authors we have ever had.  The American people seem
to like this "pretentious" style since Lamour sold how many books?...
64 million? [oops, pardon my lack of proper grammar].  Why is it that
when people run short on logic they start nitpicking grammar and typooooos?

-Joe Gaut
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: UPCOMING on the ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:46:08 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally by Michael Corbin
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 8 Jan 1993, 18:45

Here is the schedule for the next two weeks on ParaNet's UFO radio show:

Sunday, January 10 9:00 PM Mountain/11:00 Eastern
        Guest:  Jim Speiser
                Founder of ParaNet and UFO researcher in Arizona.

Sunday, January 17 9:00 PM Mountain/11:00 Eastern
        Guest:  David Jacobs
                Author of Secret Life concerning the abduction phenomenon.

The show is heard over Galaxy 6, Channel 17, 7.5 MHz Audio.

Be sure to tune in with your satellite receiver and call in over our toll-free lines to speak to the guests.

--  
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From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan7.033710.11965@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
> 
># You ever go out for Chinese food, Jack? or Italian? or Polish? 
>
>Some Krepalech, Schmidling? Matzos, perhaps? Come on, be a mensh.

Probably eats bagels with his homebrew...

							spl



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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1993Jan5.155728.24811@anasazi.com>
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:01:44

John R. Moore writes:
>WORLD history is filled with abuse and oppression. At least in
America,
>unlike most other countries that have a multicultural history, we
>try to do something about it. It is all well and good for you to sit
>in Sweden, which has not had a multicultural society, and condemn us,
but
>I don't think you have a clue as to how it works.

First, i don't think Johan Lindqvist's comment about previous racial
violence in the U.S. is necessarily intended as dumping on the U.S.
Mr. Schmidling implied that before the "multiculturalism" movement
the U.S. was a peaceful country; Mr. Lindqvist refuted that.  He did
not say the U.S. is the only country that has had such problems.  It
may be he wanted to imply that; i can't read his mind.  Neither can
you.  You jumped to conclusions.

Second, Sweden - as well as Norway and Finland - _are_ multicultural
societies, and have been for centuries.  In the first place, the
northern boundaries of these three countries, plus Russia, have
changed considerably over the years, and only the border between
Russia and the others has ever been strictly guarded.  Secondly, the
Sami (Lapps) were in the northern parts of these countries before the
Swedes etc. came there.  There has been conflict between these
cultures, and governments often tried to "assimilate" the Sami, or to
give the Sami less rights than others.  Fortunately the spirit now is
of cooperation, and there is far less conflict than there was in the
past - but there is still conflict sometimes.  And finally, there has
been immigration to Sweden in recent years, particularly political
refugees.  The immigration has not exactly been overwhelming but it
has been enough that there is a noticeable non-Swedish element in the
cities.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway


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From: brucej@sunbeamcom (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: advice sought on bathroom cleaners
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 16:28:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

If you can't swing the high dollar iron removal systems the
salesman try to sell you, stop by Sears.  Their products may not
have all the bells and whistles that Culligan or Lindsey have, but
hey, I'd rather take my chances and go "wear out" a couple of the
Sears units than pay the price of the others. 
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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:49:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.222153.4498@webo.dg.com> don@muff.webo.dg.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.080508.8720@mtu.edu>, pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell) writes:
>
>OK, I'll bite.  Can anyone out there give me the name(s) of people who make/sell
>and install COMPLETE solar (and/or wind) power systems.  I don't just want a
>catalog of components, I got lots of those already.  I want a complete system,
>one that comes with a warrenty and service when I need it.


I don't usually make and install systems, I usually design systems for
the owners to put together, but I *have* designed, installed, and
maintained complete systems.  I will warranty any system I design
against problems in the design, with mediation being fixing the
design.  I'll put together any system in Indiana with no travel
charge.  Outside of Indiana I charge travel.  Same with service.  
I'll do design work remotely but with no warranty if I don't visit the
site. 

I believe there are other folks around the country who design and
install systems as well.  Get a copy of HomePower Magazine for
advertisers.

BTW,  I speak for myself, and any negotiations with me concerning my
company will have to be via snail mail, or Bellnet.  I speak for
HomePower Magazine only as a satisfied reader.  IU never listens to me
anyway, why should they start now.
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From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:58:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Hearths for woodstoves
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.rural

In CA, just use the Uniform Building Code to determine the correct
dimensions and requirements.  Also, most woodstove companies put 
out diagrams with the appropriate information.  Just run this info
by the building inspector before you build - most inspectors will
just say follow the code and they will inspect it and verify you
have for $100.  For my stove, I have wonderboard with marble on 
top.  The hearth pad is a 4'x5' piece.  We set it up as though the
wall were unprotected but with a heat shield so the stove sticks out
2' from the wall.  This may seem big, but so is the stove.  Also,
since the marble is white-gray and the stove is black porcelin, it
makes a good centerpiece for the room.  I have a Resolute Acclaim
which puts out quite a bit of heat, so we also view the extra size
as an additional buffer to keep kids away from the stove.  We also,
used a 2" oak trim to frame in the marble.  Since we did the work 
ourselves and got the materials on sale, the entire hearth pad 4x5'
and the wall area 4x4' plus the trim cost around $400 - a little
pricey but it did turn out well, at least in my opinion.  BTW, the
woodstove store wanted to sell a hearth pad only for $350 and we 
still would have needed to install a wall shield unless we wanted
to pay $$ for triple wall pipe on the inside which would have 
reduced the clearance to where the pad could be used as is.
From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:08:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.rural

/ hpindda:misc.rural / clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) /  7:45 pm  Jan  5, 1993 /
In article <1993Jan4.151106.26908@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>No pollution from nukes?  You ever hear of a place called "Chernobyl"?

>The nuke plants in the US are somewhat different from Chernobyl.
>None of ours have blown up.

But they have leaked.

>You'd be sure to hear about it in the paper.

I heard about Three Mile Island.  Even Canada's CANDU power reactors,
which experts say are slightly safer w.r.t. catastrophic failure compared
to the American reactors leak upon occasion.

>I have a problem worrying about the potential problems we might face
>with nukes when every day tons of pollution from burning fossil fuels gets
>spewed into the air. Sloppily run nukes *might* cause a problem at some
>time in the future. Every day the burning of fossile fuels *does cause*
>great problems.

Agreed.  But when someone asserts that nukes don't pollute *at all*,
they're wrong.  The mining produces toxic slag, they leak in operation,
and putting away the waste is a problem.  Better than fossil fuels,
particularly coal, but not perfect by any means.
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From: ron@mlfarm.com (Ronald Florence)
Subject: Re: Sheep Rations (2nd try)
Organization: Maple Lawn Farm, Stonington, CT
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:06:32 GMT

Paul Krause CIRT writes:

   I need some help with a feed ration for 3 hobby sheep (suffolks).
   I find I can buy corn for the same price (about 8 cents/lb) as good
   alfalfa and there is less waste.  I know corn is not a complete
   food for people and I assume that is true for sheep too.  I have
   been adding calf manna to try and balance it better.

Corn will give your sheep energy, which is an important component of
their diet.  They also need protein, fibre, and a long list of trace
minerals and vitamins.  For detailed information on how to balance a
sheep ration, try _Nutrient Requirements of Sheep_ (National Academy
Press, 1985).  You can order a copy directly by mail from National
Academy Press, 2101 Constitution Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20418.
The tables and formulae will let you calculate a proper diet for your
sheep based on feeds that are available in your area.  If trace
elements like selenium are missing from their diet, you may have to
compensate with injections of BOSE.

Here, we only feed grain for one month before the ewes lamb, and
during lactation.  The rest of the year the sheep are on pasture or
hay.  We feed our own timothy/clover hay until one month before lambs
are due, then switch to alfalfa hay to provide a higher protein level
for the last weeks of gestation and lactation.  We provide trace
mineral salt on demand.

You can calculate an all-grain ration that will supply the nutritional
needs of your sheep -- soymeal added to the corn would supply needed
protein -- but sheep are ruminants.  Keeping those four stomachs
healthy requires bulk fibre, which usually means hay or pasture.
-- 

				Ronald Florence
				ron@mlfarm.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:27:00 EST
From: <DBEAM@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
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Subject: Re: advice sought on bathroom cleaners
Distribution: usa
 <1993Jan07.155143.1946@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
 <1993Jan8.141502.27982@ncsu.edu> <1993Jan08.162828.21929@news.mentorg.com>
 <Stafford-090193155919@stafford.winona.msus.edu>

 Just to add my experiences with SEARS... I had a very high iron concentration.
I had SEARS install a "green sand" filter.  (Can't remember the chemical name).
It worked ok for about 2 months then the chemical started leaking into my water
 lines.  I was very concerned about the effects of the strange pink water and
became very disgusted with SEARS when it became apparent that none of their
local (and some not so local) service men knew how to deal with the filter.
I finally had to have them remove it.  I have since had a regular water
softener installed and it removed most of the iron just fine.  You can also get
a special salt to help clean the iron from the filter bed.
SEARS sent me a $10 gift certificate for my inconviences.  (Over 3 months of
trying to get a repairman scheduled, etc.)  And 1 year later they sent a form
asking if I wanted to by an extended warranty on the filter!!
Diana Beam
WVU
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From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Profitability of Sheep
Reply-To: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu
Organization: U. of Iowa - Weeg Computing Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:12:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.154412.5068@mlfarm.com>, ron@mlfarm.com (Ronald Florence) writes:
>
>Do we make money?  The flock pays for itself and most of the expenses
>of the tractors and equipment.  The sheep keep the pastures mowed and
>manured, and the walls clear of bittersweet and poison ivy.  The
>barnyard manure is terrific for the garden.  We don't expect more from
>a small flock.  
>--

Ronald,

How large is your "small" flock? Is the wool of grass-fed sheep better than
that of feed-lot sheep or just cleaner? How much pasture do you use for your
sheep and how often do you rotate pastures for them? What about shelters?

Thanks for the valuable information.

Barbara Roy
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