Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:49:58 EST
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Affirmative Action should be Dead
Distribution: usa
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 <1993Jan8.014730.27907@samba.oit.unc.edu>

In article <1993Jan8.014730.27907@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) says:
>
>>>>    Until a few weeks ago, there were zero black head football coaches in
>>>>college football,
>
>>>How many are there suppose to be? What is your quota?
>
>>   Well Terry, you are definetely out of your league here.  There is no
>quota,
>>no one ever said there was,
>
>If there is no quota, then how do you know that there are too few black head
>football coaches? Fewer than what? What is your quota?
>
   Again Terry, you selectively edit what people say to fit your own purposes.
Beside telling you that you are out of your league, I also told you that Blacks
have been over looked in coaching in favor of LESS QUALIFIED whites.  As I say
above, there is not quota, no specific number of black coaches needed, but if
the qualified blacks were hired, then there wouldn't be a feeling that blacks
are underrepresented in coaching.  It is funny how you say there isn't a
problem, while the sport, who is not know for acknowledging its own problems,
say that there is a problem.

>
>>>>As one Athletic Director said, "I can't see a Black coach
>>>>relating to our Alumni".
>
>>>I thought Spike Lee was a filmmaker, not an athletic director.
>
>>    What?  Spike Lee did not say this.  I am trying to understand the
>>humor/relevance of this statement!?!
>
>You're right, Lee was the one who said, "I can't see a white reporter relating
>to a black person being interviewed".
>

    Yes, he did say that, at least quote him correctly, which you originally
didn't do.  He did not say a black person, he said he didn't see a white
reporter relating to HIM.  Quite a difference.   If he feels a white person
can't relate to him, then he speaks the truth (can you relate to Spike Lee?).
I am sure there are white people who think they can't relate to black people.
Spike said this because he wants to give publicity to the few black reporters
there are, this is what he has said.  Though his statement IS a bigotted one,
his heart was in the right place (watch in terry's followup, the only part that
 will be kept is the fact that I said that spike's quote was bigotted).

>>>Could you name the school involved?
>
>>    Now come on Terry, just how naive are you?
>
>Well, I hope I'm not so naive to believe any old anonymous remark.
>
>>This was said anonymously and reported by Dr. Harry Edwards
>
>(Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha)
>

   What is so funny terry?  Do you think the AD would still have his job if he
said that on the record?  Be serious.  Now if your scarcastic laugh has to do
with the credability of Dr. Harry Edwards, then you have a problem.  I see that
you selectively deleted the section where I give DR. Harry Edwards'
credentials. What's wrong you can't acknowledge the fact that the nation's
foremost expert on the sociology of sports is a Black man?  DR. Edwards is that
and he is also a consultant to the NFL and Major League Baseball on the subject
of race and sports.  He is a professor at Cal-Berkeley (at least the last place
I knew he was at, he was at San Jose State for a while).  If you are doubting
the man's credability, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
>
>>Sorry Terry, I think Dr. Edwards knows more on the subject than you!
>
>Oh ya, well I just got an anonymous call from a renowned expert telling
>me that Edwards made the whole thing up.

     Well here you are telling me that you doubt the man's credibility and that
just makes your argument all the weaker.  If you can proof that he did make it
up then do it.  Otherwise shut the **** up about it.  You keep doubting what
other people say without offering proof, one of these days you will back up
your arguments, but I and others won't hold our breathe.

>
>>>>How many
>>>>Black federal judges were appointed during the Reagan/bush era?
>
>>>How many were there suppose to be? What is your quota here?
>>>Does the name Clarence Thomas ring any bells?
>
>>    There is no quota (didn't I say that before)
>
>Then how do you know that there wern't too many Blak judge appointments?

    Because there are qualified Blacks in the judiciary that are being passed
over in favor of less qualified white candidates.

>
>
>>>>How many Black women are stars in Hollywood?
>
>>>How many are there suppose to be? What is your quota?
>
>>    There is no quota (how many times do I have to say this!).  No one is
>>yelling about quotas.
>
>Then how come you're telling us there's not enough? How many must there
>be for there not to be not enough? What is your quota?

    Again you selectively edit my comments.  I went on to say that Hollywood
movies are supposed to be a depiction of our society (except for the Disney
cartoons and anything that ARnold does).  If we are to believe hollywood, then
we would think there are no Black women in America.  There is no quota, but can
you name a movie that featured a Black women in THE starring role beside "A
Color Purple"?  Out of the millions and millions of movies made there should be
SOME!  That is no quota, that is just pure probability!  Oh, I forgot, Terry
doesn't understand probabilities.

>
>
>>It just isn't Black women either, Hispanic and Asian-
>>American women find it hard to get work in Hollywood also.
>
>The truth, the truth is that there are far more unemployed Caucasian
>actors than Blaks, etc. Engaging in racial bias to help Caucasians
>rather than other than Caucasians would benefit more people.

    See, as I say above Terry doesn't understand probabilities.  Only an idiot
would say that Caucasions have it tougher in Hollywood then minorities.

>
>
>>Terry loves to
>>speak in absolute numbers by saying:  "If there are 90 whites and 10 Blacks
>>and 10 whites and 9 Blacks get laid off, then the whites are hurting more
>then
>>the Blacks."
>
>Excuse me but I'm not the one saying that an unemployed Caucasian is
>better or worse off than an unemployed Blak or any other racist ideas.
>
  No, bnt you are the one who would take the above statistic and say that more
caucasions are being hurt by unemployment then Blacks.  You do it above when
talking about hollywood, so don't deny it.


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