From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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Date: 11 Apr 92 09:45:11

In article <1992Apr11.063719.11117@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr10225734@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   >And the U.S. is to blame for European colonialism?  I think you have
>   >the cart before the horse there.
>
>	   Who do you think the Americans were? The indigenous population?? They
>   were the COLONISTS and/or the descendents of the colonists.

And the Jews are the descendants of the people who conquered
historical Israel, and thus have no right to the land.  (sarcasm)
Yeah right.  You can't blame the government of the US for the misdeeds
of the colonial powers.

>   >The claim I was responding to was that Jerusalem has only been free
>   >for religious worship under Israeli administration.  That claim was false.>
>
>	   I made that claim, and true as I said it, it is false.  I should have
>   said since 1948.  My fault.

Go ye and sin no more.

>	   I see that you have no trouble with Arabs owning Jewish holy places,
>   but you have lots of trouble with the Jews ruling over Arab holy places.

Oh no, not at all.  What makes you think that?  I do think in general
that because of its special position as a holy city to three major
world faiths, Jerusalem should not be administered by any single country.
But I don't think that the Jews are any worse at administering Arab
holy places than vice versa.

>   >Perhaps you should also mention the fact that the British authorities
>   >nixed the partition idea.  On August 15, 1929, Zionists marched, raised
>   >their flag, and sang the Hatikvah, in violation of their demonstration
>   >permit.  They shouted "the Wall is ours" (or the equivalent in other
>   >languages).  On August 23, 1929, the Arabs, incensed by the Jews'
>   >threats against their property, began to loot the Jewish quarter, and
>   >attacked Jews who got in the way.  The Jews responded with hand
>   >grenades, killing Arabs.
>
>	   The Arabs who attacked the Jews didn't kill anyone???
Hmm, the books I have at hand don't answer that question on a day by
day basis.  They do give the total casualties of the 1929 riots as
                Jews  Arabs
     dead        133   116
     wounded 339 232 Most of the Arab casualties were at the hands of
the British police and soldiers, not of the Jews.  This is consistent
with the nature of the riot, Arabs attacking the Jews after being
deliberately incensed by the Jewish demonstrations.  Ben Gurion had
tried to urge restraint on the part of the Jews, but the criminal
Jabotinsky held sway.

>   -- 
>   Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            
>   Do unto others before they do unto you.

Thus you would have started the riots first, maiming and killing
first, right?  What a guy!
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: dougl@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Doug Leno)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:49:42 GMT
Subject: Re: "Inside the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'", by Fred A. Leuchter
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID