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From: edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (T. Ng.)
Subject: [SOC] A social issue (Re: Equality between men and women)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Jan 1993 16:22 EST  

In article <93003.182634ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET>, you write...
>1--women don't have the same strength as men....a 110 lb. woman can not carry
>    her partner 25 miles back to a pick up point, and arrive on time
>2-I don't care WHAT kind of training a woman has, she still cannot hit as hard
>    as a man.
>3-  Men have an inate behavior towards violance.....a woman would have to be
>    trained, and the training would be too time consuming.
>4- A woman could not do what my partner and I did, in NAM.....I don't care how
>   much training she had, a woman would not have survived.


In the following reply, I may seem to be somewhat self-contradictory, but 
personally I think women should not be allowed in a combat zone for several 
good reasons which I do not wish to elaborate here because it may be very 
lenghthy and controversial.  One major reason that has been cited in the 
press that many U.S. top military experts and generals advocated is the 
cohesiveness of a conbating unit.  This has nothing to do with EQUALITY 
between men and women in the military at all, rather it simply points out 
that cohesiveness in a combating situation as one of the most critical and 
important key factors in deciding victory or defeat in the battlefield.  
Imagine that you are a woman, with different needs and ways of "doing things", 
stuck in a foxhole with 4 or 5 male soldiers for a month, what would  happen 
to the cohesiveness of that fighting unit???  Or, imagine that you are 
one of a few women sailors out at sea in a submarine with hundreds of highly 
disciplined men for 3 or 4 months at a time, what would happen to the ways 
these men look at you after several months being away from home??? 

Now, there are some contrary facts (contrary to what I have written above) 
about Vietnam war that I would like to point out to interested readers in this 
group and to our friend in above article who fought in Vietnam against 
an army that was made up of many females (one estimate put the number 
at about 10% of all Vietnam combatant units.)  In fact, the South Vietnam 
Liberation Army that our friend fought against was headed by a 
woman - General Nguyen Thi Dinh.  Vietnam has many divisions of female 
paratroops and anti-aircraft gunners.  These are true facts that you may 
dig up for yourselves from your local or university libraries.         

Have fun!

T. Ng
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Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be?
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 11 Jan 1993 03:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <0096604B.47EFA5E0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>(Any more along this line?)
>    Strong enough to take responsibility for his actions.  That's about all we
>can ask from any human being.  Men and women, alike.

Strong enough to hold off his desired course of action (usually sex) until he's
thought well about the consequences, i.e. is he just out for sex or does he
want a relationship?  If he's just out for sex does the other person involved
know this clearly as well ... and so on.  If he wants a relationship also does
the other person know this, do they want the same thing ... blah blah blah

Basically taking responsibility for his actions, I guess.



Rachel                           "Supergoof!"
                                    -  -
                                    O  O
                                      >
                                     \_/
From: cs91nna@brunel.ac.uk (Nisar Ahmad)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Honest Question - I'm no pervert .......
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:43:55 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi - I've recently got onto this bulletin board and I've a simple question to ask 
you people of undoubted wisdom.

Ok - we're agreed that going up to a woman and giving her a flashy chat up line is
pretty degrading and that women like to be respected and treated with care and affection.

That bit's easy.

Let's go back a stage - how can you do all this if you haven't found your woman yet ? 

Ok you go out alot, clubs, pubs, societies etc - and say in a night club (could be anywhere - 
but take this example) - you see a 'good looker'. How do you make the first move without 
looking tacky and all the other defamatory remarks that are associated with the unsuccessful 
first approach.

This is the question - I would be most interested to learn the answer .....


Please reply .... - either to my e-mail or to this bulletin board


Thanks alot


Nisar .....


cs91nna@brunel.ac.uk
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Where did you meet you SO?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:17:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

My husband and I met while we were both proudly serving our country in
the United States Air Force.  Our sixth wedding anniversary will be
March 20th.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be? (#2)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:58:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.romance
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1it4jbINNqdj@golem.wcc.govt.nz> parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.220527.24653@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|>In article <7JAN199314362783@vax2.concordia.ca> rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal) writes:
|>>
|>>and strong enough to say the 3 most powerful words in the english language, 
|>>and mean them whole-heartedly.
|>
|>And for those of you scratching your heads, those three words are:
|>
|>"You look thin."
|
|
|	<clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap>
|
That's more than three words.
From: arantamaki@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Where did you meet your SO?
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:43:29 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.

In article <1993Jan6.064348.26971@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) writes:
> As long as Heather got the ball rolling on the 
> subject of meeting people, where you meet your
> current partner?  Theorizing where to meet
> people is one thing, what works is another.  
> So how about some info for the group?
> 
> BS

I met mine at a dance, ballroom style. We met in June
for the first time and danced and talked a lot. In
July we met the second time in the same place and
I asked him out.

Annu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Love is giving, not taking.
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:41:53 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

seen on a wall at the UofT:

	sex is not love
	love is not sex
	---------------
	but oh don't you love sex

--
"Nine out of ten men, women & children enjoy a cold beverage." - Letterman
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Subject: Tour dates?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:21:35 GMT

So... anyone know anything about future TMBG tours?  The last fan-club
info I got didn't have anything...


Andy Dickinson   [----------------------------] dickia@rpi.edu [{<---+++--->}]
271 Lark St. #3, Albany, NY 12210  [--------] 	(518) 426 - 7907  *#*#*#*#*#*#*
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really clever or unique I could think of to put in its place..... =+=+=+=+=+=+
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Wilde Dame)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: A Good Day
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:50:11 GMT
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

I met TMBG when they were here in Seattle for Bumbershoot (the annual arts
festival) this summer.  John F was very friendly but tired; John L was
nearly antisocial, but I have a feeling that the fact that Seattle Center
had estimated the "pass the dude" damage in the Opera House where they
played at around $5000 contributed to his bad mood.  He didn't seem to
mind autograph-seeking, but got really miffed when another kid who was
also there started asking him a lot of questions.

I think I've asked this here before, but a woman with a young child was
travelling with them--does anyone know if either of the Johns have kids?
(Yeesh, imagine TMBG as your parents!)

-- 
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: RE: A Good Day
From: kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:53:03 -0600
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax2.cstp.umkc.edu

Ana Ng is on Lincoln, it's the first track. . .
I've never posted here before, but I noticed you asked if anyone had met TMBG.
I met them about 3 years ago, waiting in line to see "Tie me up, Tie me down."
(was it two years? I forget) they're really cool! Down to earth, not stuck up
at all. . .in fact, they were staying at the Quality Inn (hardly a hotel for
the upper crust).  Anyway, I didn't have time to ask any deep questions about
their songs, because the movie started. . .nice guys, though.
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: meyersj@engin.umich.edu (Stephen James Meyer)
Subject: Meeting TMBG.....
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 12:40:46 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I met John L when I went to see TMBG in Cambridge (UK) in June of 1990.  I
showed up early to make sure I could find the place the show was at, and
Mr. Linnell was outside talking to a manager-looking guy.  Of course, I was
completely awe-struck, and it took me a minute to compose something poignant
to say.  Well, all I came up with was "Can I have your autograph??"  I think
I surprised him, seeing that I am American, and he said "This is a strange
world we live in" - now the phrase I live by........

Awesome concert, BTW.......


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Re: HELP WITH REM LYRICS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: Arlie Davis <aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Organization: University of Louisville

In <5498.66.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp> neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black)  writes:

> -> In the song ' The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite' from Automatic For the
> -> People by REM what are the words of the first line of the chorus ?
> -> Yours,
> -> Baffled, Scotland

> I think he's saying "Go on in--try to wake her up."

This got beaten to death on the REM mailing list
(murmur-request@athena.mit.edu).  It's "Call me when you try to wake her [up]."

"Jefrey!  With one F, Jefrey!"

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: need a title and group
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:01:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.151648.4401@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smb3565@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Ok...
>Finally figured out how to post without the message getting all screwed up...
>
>But anyways...
>I borrowed this tape from a friend of mine which is a mix of stuff but I have
>no idea who sings most of the songs, so you will be hearing from me some more
>in the short future but I can only think of one of the top of my head that I am
>really interested in, and the chorus is easy and goes like this ...
>
>"She loves me, she loves me not"
>
>That just repeated a few times for the chorus...
>
>Sound familiar to anyone...anyone...
>

Pop Will Eat Itself, "Wise Up, Sucker"


-- 
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Howard "Pasty-faced" Berkey                       	   howard@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mr Congeniality Of 1967)
Subject: Re: "Sugar" shocker
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:27:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.144354.24807@hemlock.cray.com> jrn@mahogany121.cray.com (Jim Nemmers) writes:
>
>I couldn't agree with you more. In fact you've inspired me to crank up
>some Bob Mould.  Ahhhhh, now that is much better. Thanks for the inspiration.

Speaking of which... Rhino Records has just re-released Husker Du's
second lp, 'Everything Falls Apart' on cd with more tracks. This is
a *great* record - but be warned - it's hardcore, so don't come crying
to me after you hear "Bricklayer"... :)

That said, there are some great pop elements to some of the songs - e.g.
"Everything Falls Apart", "Gravity", and naturally their cover of
Donovan's "Sunshine Superman". This record was recorded back in
'82 - too. Incredibly mature punk! You must hear this. Really... :)

Joshua H

-- 
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu * indie-list co-moderator
We have no idea what we're saying.
	- Superchunk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cdonnahee@mta.ca
Subject: R.E.M., a question.
Reply-To: cdonnahee@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:00:44 GMT


I have been recently informed that on all R.E.M. albums covers or somewhere
on the things, there are numbers. As the albums progress the numbers on them 
decrease, until there are no more numbers, and hence, no more albums.
For example: On "GREEN", if you hold the cover up to the light you can see
a number four on each R. And a more blatant example: the numeral 5 on 
"DOCUMENT".   Does anybody else out there know about this? If so could you 
inform me as to where the rest of the numbers on the rest of the albums are?
                                             
					
Thank you.
Chris.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mark@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Mark Pulaski)
Subject: Jane's Addiction Information
Reply-To: mark@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:25:24 GMT

I got great response to my post about information on Jane's Addiction!  Thanks to
all those who sent stuff...(please keep sending, too)

Alot of people asked me to post what I found out.  Well, someone told me of a mailing
list.  Request at:  janes-addiction-request@ms.uky.edu
 
I already got a little introductory thing back, and I quess there's an archive file and
a FAQ too.  Here's what they told me:

I have archived all traffic that has come through janes-addiction.  To
date, there were 901 postings (1477K with the headers still attached)
so I set up ftp access because mailing it would be a hassle.  To get
the archive file (along with some other interesting items), you can ftp
it via anonymous ftp from ftp.ms.uky.edu (128.163.128.6) in the
directory pub/misc/janes-addiction.  Along with the archive, you will
find the Jane's Addiction Discography.  The future status of the
discography is uncertain right now because we don't have anyone to
maintain it.  Also, the previously-mentioned FAQ is available here.


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|Mark Pulaski                |"Sometimes the truth comes nocking on the door|
|College of Marine Studies   | and you say,'Go away, I'm looking for the    |
|University of Delaware      | truth,' and so it does.  Puzzling."          |
|mark@earthview.cms.udel.edu |  -Robert Pirsig                              |
|                            |   Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance  |
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From: don@tse.uucp (Don Marks)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: HAPPENING LOCAL MUSIC SCENES
Keywords: USA music scenes
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:37:11 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <1993Jan3.221445.22104@news.media.mit.edu> mjb@media.mit.edu (Molly Bancroft) writes:
>Ok, so besides all the heavily "hyped" local music scenes,
>I'm curious about some other good scenes that are not-so-
>publicized. Also, if you're from a place with a non-hyped, but
>good and growing music scene, what kind of music is coming out
>of it?
>
We have an excellent local scene here in Toronto, Canada.  The thing is
(and its a good thing), there is no real Toronto sound; we have a little 
of everything: ska, roots rock, folk, pop, industrial, thrash, etc.  A 
lot of local acts are doing well enough to be putting out independent 
releases.  Paul Raven (of Killing Joke, Pigface) is starting up an indie 
label here so some international exposure may result.

Some of our fine bands are:
   King Apparatus (hard, driving guitar based ska; extremely danceable)
   Skaface (more poppier ska with horns)
   The Polka Dogs (sort of a bluegrass folk hybrid; the instruments played
                   include banjo, trombone, accordion, and tuba)
   Lowest of The Low (guitar pop)
   Lost Dakotas (acoustic country/folk)
   Cadillac Bill & The Creeping Bent (swamp rock meets Robyn Hitchcock)
   Meryn Cadell (alternating between funny spoken word pieces and beautiful 
                 singing, she entertains while making a point.  Sire in the 
                 U.S. has released her debut album "Angel Food For Thought".)
   ... and there's tons more.  I don't get out to see local acts nearly 
   as much as I'd like to.

>--tired of Seattle sound,
Me too.  Long ago.

==============================================================================
Don Marks                         "Fire sign.  Indicate luminous pornography.
don@tse.uucp                                Heliograph.  A morse photography.
tse!don@geac.com                                    Signal ad.  Comerciality."
                                                             --- Mr. Partridge
From: mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Prisonshake anyone?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 01:49:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) says:

>I just got a bunch of stuff by this band.  They are really starting to grow
>on me!  Who else could cover 'Spider and the Fly' like that!  Does anyone
>know anything about this Cleveland band out there?

Well, I vote them for all time best packaging. Everything they put out
made me want to buy it - playing cards glued on by hand, spray paint
cover (real spray paint, different on every copy), and one CD is
only available here in Cleveland as an import. How can you
not like that?

But the music itself always sounded kind of generic guitar garage band to me.

Marty
From: v095p6et@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David A Hassett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Truly
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:09:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anybody know if the band Truly is or will be recording anything more
than the SubPop EP they did last year?  I know most of the members left more
successful bands because of a dislike of touring or whatever....
From: jc@apple.com (jc)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Babes In Toyland
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:25:37 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan7.124841.9398@abo.fi>, SSTAFFANS@FINABO.ABO.FI (GORK) writes:
> 
> In <29293@optima.cs.arizona.edu> menze@cs.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> > [are the Babes In Toyland playing a few last shows?]
> 
> Yup. The Babes are going on tour with FnM for about three months,
> I think, and that will probably be the last chance to see them
> before they split. *sob*

was listening to the radio yesterday and heard something to effect of the
following:

"Babes in Toyland are temporarily breaking up after previously scheduled
performances.  The lead singer is moving to Seattle to start a band with
her husband, a member of the band Lubricated Goats."

just my 2 cents,

jc
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey)
Subject: Informer (Need Information)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:32:54 GMT

Hi,

I would appreciate information on the group "Informer".  I recently
heard their song "Snow" and liked it very much.

Thank you,

- Vishal

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kill0012@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses' old 7"
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:44:53 GMT

That's it!!!  (sort of...)  The one I'm thinking of was red, but had 4
songs on the label (5 in reality).  "Dirt is on the Floor", "Santa Claus",
"Stand Up", (a song whose title I don't know), and just an instrumental
smidgen.  Reply by e-mail to me about how it can be ordered.

 --
Jennifer Gibb Killmer (that's Jen to you, bub) University of Minnesota
kill0012@student.tc.umn.edu                         Minneapolis Campus
  I  a m  w o t  I  a m,  a n d  t h a t ' s  a l l  t h a t  I  a m
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mhessman@world.std.com (Mark D Hessman)
Subject: Re: HELP WITH REM LYRICS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:29:18 GMT

Another REM-ish request, and one that probably hasn't seen much discussion:
I noticed one credit on the AFTP insert that said something on the order
of "Musical material of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' by permission of..."

I guess it's obvious that that's where the title of "Sidewinder" was cadged
from, but I haven't yet noticed any parts of the original song popping up in
any recognizable form. Are they in fact there? 

                                                         -- Mark

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: berntr@ifi.uio.no (Bernt Olav Rostad)
Subject: Re: Babes In Toyland
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:30:21 GMT
Originator: berntr@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <29293@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, menze@cs.arizona.edu (Ed Menze) writes:
> There's a club in Tempe, AZ that is still advertising a Jan. 27th show
> with Babes in Toyland opening for Faith No More, despite word on the
> street that the Babes have broken up.  Does anyone know what the deal
> is?  Have they agreed to do some final contractually-obligated shows
> before calling it quits?
> 
> Ed


I read a short article on the Babes in Melody Maker (I believe)
a few weeks ago.
It said that the girls would go through with the tour
they were supposed to do with Faith No More this spring, and
then Kat would leave the Babes to join her husband's band in
Seattle.
So it looks like the end for Babes In Toyland, I really can't
imagine the Babes without Kat.


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