HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: "Giving up" Marraige
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.165145.12683@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.052825.29458@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>if that is your goal, then, ok.  but i can't
>>support that.  oh, as for those of us with kids...
>>if you think it is just as easy in american 
>>culture to raise children *unmarried* as *married*, 
>>well, then, you obviously haven't tried it.  
>
>I don't understand the point of this paragraph.  If there were no
>marriage, this would be a moot point.

Tim, you of all people are not suggesting that children are never born
out of wedlock, are you?  She's suggesting, if I read her right, that
if you have kids, or intend to, marriage may be more of a necessity
than a privilege.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"No need to overheat your rhetoric,
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Exaggerating items in your pride..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||        -- Mephistopheles, _Faust_
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11067 alt.polyamory:970
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:36:10 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   Another things that occurred to me, relevant to this thread, is Equal
Opportunity legislation. In my Australian state at least, it is illegal
under the Equal Opportunity Act to discriminate on the basis of marital
status, among other things. Generally the Act applies to such things as
employment, housing, etc, but I'm fairly sure there is a clause in the
Act which states it also applies to the "...providers of services" or
something like that.

   I'm aware that it could be contended that the ACS is a privately-run
service, but possibly a case could be made. Certainly the Act applies to
newspapers, for example, so when a "personals" ad. is rejected by a
newspaper for its Poly-content, the newspaper may have infringed the
Act. I'm tempted to try to place an ad. just to see the response I'd
get. (Can you tell I like a good legal fight? 8->).

   Of course, I'm not even sure of the situation here in my own state
and country. The situation is probably very different elsewhere.
ie. take this advice with a grain of salt! 8->

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:54:04 GMT
Reply-To: dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

In article <Bsu0yM.8Lt@news.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:

|> Is an 11/750 close enough?

Heh, to quote from this year's University of Manchester Postgraduate Prospectus:
"The department [Electrical Engineering] supports a variety of computer systems:
a VAX 11-750, three MicroVax computers, and networks of Hewlett Packard, VAX,
Apollo and Sun CAD workstation clusters"

So Scott, do you fancy a trip to Manchester to try out out 11/750?

I still can't believe they bother listing it in the prospectus, let alone putting
it first!

Colin
Who has never had sex on a computer :-(
Come to think of it, is that really such a sad thing?...

-- 
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  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
   ... Blatantly Bisexual ...     | B3/4 f+ c g+(+) k(+) r s
From: sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Iseult, Tanaquai and crutches (was: That bloody War )
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:39:02 GMT
	<iw.713632206@tosser> <1992Aug12.223456.23190@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<AAG.92Aug13032631@artemis.aber.ac.uk>
Organization: Chaos
In-reply-to: aag@aber.ac.uk's message of 13 Aug 92 03:26:31 GMT


In article <AAG.92Aug13032631@artemis.aber.ac.uk> aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:


  (Anybody want to write Chapter 5 of my thesis?)

Yes, if you write my chapter 7. Before Sunday.

ana (any topic)

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     __o __o      | Quand j'enonce une assertion, je m'apercois tout
   _`\<,\<,_  Go! | de suite que l'assertion contraire est a peu pres 
  (*)/  / (*)     | aussi interessante, a un point que cela devient
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  | presque superstitieux chez moi. 

--
extra-contextual coreferentiality
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:54:43 GMT

pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

|angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) wrote...
|>I can offer an ftp site at Edinburgh.  I can't store vast quantities of
|>data but bios and other bi-resources like lists of books, contacts etc
|>would be feasible. 

|Colin was offer space for soc.bi gifs, he might have space for such things.

As understood it (correct me if i'm wrong Colin), Colin wasn't sure how
long he's there.  It's probably easiest if it's me that sets it up at
Edinburgh, but potentially anyone who is registered as a user of
Edinburgh unix central services can be the maintainer (barring
undergraduates, possibly).  I'm almost certainly going to be in
Edinburgh for the next few years and i can't see there being no net bi
people at Edinburgh for some time, if ever.  But we don't have space for
gifs just now and i don't see any conflict in having more than one ftp
site for soc.bi resources. 

|By the way, Clive tells me the Edin<mutter> party photos have been scanned.
|[Now they just have to get to Colin...]

Speaking of Ed party photos, i was thinking of making a A3/A4 gif
montage.  Good idea? Bad idea? I can handle most picture formats
including actual photos.  I have Bethan's of the Pear Tree which tho not
of the party, are connected. 

I promise to be impartial as i managed not to be in any photos *grin*. 
Permission would of course be sought from anyone appearing if
identifiable :-). 

Angi
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bethan's Birthday Greetings
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:03:03 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Aug17.151105.20597@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> (soc.bi), bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
> You going to share with me?  Now I've contributed...

Sure, I'm happy to e-flirt with people from my birth town.

Hug.. Slurp
> 
> |Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
> | :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
> |                                                   Lincoln, Nebraska|
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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Subject:
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



In a previous article, dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) says:

>>Apple disk drives were the business - the worlds least elegant way of findin-
g
>>track 0 on power up, but they'd read *anything*.  I once saw someone take a
>>disk, which was folded into four, out of his back pocket, unfold it, put it
>>in the drive, and boot from it!

[Jeff Epler writes]

>Oh yeah?  Well I once ripped the outside off a Commodore disk, >fingerprinted-
/spilled/used as a coster the magnetic surface, and 
>used the game on it about a month later...

Children... CHILDREN... Without wanting to sound like the Monty Python
sketch about hard-up northerners ("Luxury! When I were a child..."),
could you please move this discussion off to comp.nerds.jerk-offs AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE! Some of us have to pay for usenet by the K! A few
laffs is fine, but Jeez...

<Stomps off mumbling about having a bad day and splitting up with his
girlfriend of 8 years.>

+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| "When I grow up, I want to give up being a   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| Journalist and learn how to write..."        |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:38:00 GMT
Organization: Specialix International, London

>In article <AAG.92Aug17105721@sibyl.aber.ac.uk> aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:
>>
>>Hmmmmm. I'm somewhat chary of getting into this debate, but I'll
>>dip a toe in anyway. The lingering effects are, in my admittedly 
>>limited experience (all offers allowing me to widen my data sample
>>considered on their merits with almost no prejudice ;-) very different
>>between vaginal and anal sex. I've had problems explaining how
>>the feelings of penetration differ between the two when describing
>>some of my experiences, but for me at least, the vaginal penetration
>>definitely lasts longer and is more intense (although again that 
>>can be a partner-dependent variable (yeah, I know that's a bit
>>vague and mealy-mouthed)). The quiet, pleasure filled squirm of
>>good anal sex, punctuated by the odd rapid dash for the toilet
>>(unfortunately two floors down at work ;-), just doesn't last as
>>long.


I often "feel" my partner even if I was the active (penetrating) partner
for upto a week or two afterwards, even if I have sex with some one else
inbetween. I'm sure it's got more to the erotic/emotional content of the love
making than anything physical. I asked my wife about this but she said
that she only felt like that when we were in our teens and seeing each-other
a couple of times a week. I don't usually enjoy anal sex, but the times I
have enjoyed it (as the receptive partner) - I have had recurring memories of
the feelings for a few days afterward.

>>You can meet 
>>the man the next day, the next morning over breakfast, in fact, and
>>whilst he's busy with the coffee and the cornflakes, and as far as 
>>one can tell, thoroughly unscractched by the whole experience, 
>>you've still got acheing muscles by the score. It's thoroughly 
>>unnerving to be confronted by somebody who seems to be getting 
>>on with life as normal whilst you can't forget about what you've
>>done for days, because your body keeps on giving you very intimate
>>reminders. 

I don't know about that - I've been sore and aching the next morning often
enough and my female partner has seemed totally unscathed. I think it has
alot to do with what you do and who you do it with rather than being a 
general norm.

>>Occasionally I wonder if this is one of the reasons why
>>women, in general, tend to be slightly more obsessive about
>>relationships than men.

Men can be just as obsessive... :) - been there before.

Kamal

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Bethan's Birthday Greetings
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:39:28 GMT


In a previous article, fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu () says:

>bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>>ObLycraRef : alt.lycra has made it to Edinburgh!!!!
>
>Yay! Now, if I can just convince everyone here to join... 
>
> (oh, you don't have to read it; just subscribe. That should rig the 
>news.lists ballot in it's favour somewhat.. <grin> I'll see it get to
>the top of that list yet.)
>
> -- Fenthe 

Well it's arrived here.. And I read each of the 38 articles that've been
posted so far..

Now I need to get some lycra of my own..
-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
|                                                   Lincoln, Nebraska|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rickc@agora.uucp (Rick Coates)
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:23:35 GMT

angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:


>Well, i've found that if i've been physically and emotionally close to
>someone then i can get very abstracted for the next few days.  I hadn't
>noticed this happening to any of my male lovers.  For instance, thinking
>of the person, clenching my muscles in memory, feeling the perineum
>being different to normal, more thoughts.  Distracting when i'm trying
>to code :-) 

>Angi

Well, yes, this happens to men, too (the abstraction).  And from physical
feelings, too, and not just from being a bottom.  An intense sexual/emotional
episode leaves me in a relaxed, glowing state for a couple of days, anyway.
And a purely physical symptom is occasional cramping of the the muscles
Down There, which is not at all upleasant, sort of a reminder.

Rick  (wondering what sort of e-mail *I'll* be kneeling with...)

Rick Coates
rickc@agora.rain.com
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:43:15 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe L Johnson) writes:

>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>>iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

>>>>Well, just look what Iseult posts when she thinks the four of us aren't
>>>>reading!  Methinks she had better be nice, or she may find herself on
>>>>the unexpected end of the crutch :^)
>>>
>>>Its not fair.  Those ... those wagons keep stealing my crutch.  Fenthe
>>>Ang Bethan, why even Tanaqui, please come and protect me from them.

>If you were a proper femme, dear, you would not be concerned with giving
>up your *ahem* crutch.

Hey!  I self-identify as a femme, a *proper* femme I am.  You could 
hardly call me butch now could you.  Look at how adorably I hold my
poolcue.  I know I am not as expert with lipstick as you are, Coe,
but then you did have the advantage of an American Girl upbringing.  
Anyway I guess they don't have mirrors in the desert!

>>Coe, could I have the privilege of -uh- applying the crutch after you?
>>Otherwise I might be forced to help Iseult defend her sacred honour |-)

Tanaqui, just what do you imagine yourself doing with the crutch.  I don't
believe you have the same cructh-wielding skills as I do.  Anyway I have
no honour so it doesn't need to be defended.  (Though I definitely need
to be kept out of trouble)

Iseult 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:27:58 GMT

[gobs of stuff omitted]

Somewhere along the line something odd has happened.

Elf happily asserts [to Kamal?] that his wife will always come home;
he trusts Omaha. Yet we also have an account of a breakup/tiff...
from Omaha herself, I believe.

Were you two just partnered then?

My contribution to the thread? Oh. I'm couplephobic, &, unless both sides of
the couple are laissez-faire, or actual interest/desire exists on all sides,
I wouldn't dream of getting involved with partnerships. Married people are
a definite switch-off in my mind because [pace Elf, et pace anyone married by
nonstandard formula] of the we-two-are-one, indivisible, vows.

& I mean -phobic, not -hating. Couples can be a real messy obstacle in love's
course.

Tanaqui

"He only had ears for descriptions of the stranger you were seeing:
 ...Is he passionate? Don't answer; Is he detatched? Don't answer that
 Does he please you in the sack? Shut up; don't answer back
 Just tell him that I'm dying to meet him"   _The Hairstyle of the Devil_ Momus
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:36:34 GMT

In article <5709@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>
>So Scott, do you fancy a trip to Manchester to try out out 11/750?

No, I'd rather use a bed, thank you.
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.063310.20634@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <24891@castle.ed.ac.uk> angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:
>>A less obvious gender difference occurred to me.  After i've been
>>vaginally (mine that is) intimate with someone, I am physically aware of
>>the penetration for up to 2-4 days afterwards.  I did a quick survey. 
>>The women agreed.  The men hadn't heard of the lingering effects before
>>and it didn't happen to them. 
>
>Are you talking about when men aren't the receptive partner?  If so, 
>that's odd.                    ^^^^^^

Oops, I meant "are," of course.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Well, the orgasm was implied."
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.||                 -- Ken Jones.
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
From: strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: on a slightly different tact (Re: the "oh" experience)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:45:16 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

does anyone know of any examples of a living, loving, working group of people?
To clarify that.  something like 4 people who are living together, have sex
sometimes together sometimes with jsut one of the other people in the group,
who love each other, care for each other, and show all the traits of a
characteristic happy couple except that there are four (or more) of them.
say two bi men and two bi women who were all hopelessly in love with each other.

Some friends of mine and I had joked around about the possibilities of
something like this, and I was wondering if anyone actually knew someone for
whom it was working or had worked.
If not, can you think of any reasons why it wouldn't work.

just curious, (and kinda hopeful, sort of)
strake

                                        
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From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Date: 2 Aug 92 14:06:23 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

cullen@tree.egr.uh.edu (Caleb Cullen) writes:

{attributions lost, sorry}
>>>[Those who declare themselves bi]
>>>-outside this forum- are primarily at the low end of the Kinsey scale.   
>>>(We are exceptions, friends)
>>
>>I guess I must be an exception to the exception then. ;-)
>
>That intrigues me.  (My experience is limited by the number of other bi's  
>I know.  I need more experience so I won't seem so naive (I wonder why  
>that is :>))

My experience is maybe a little wider, but I wouldn't care to draw a
conclusion either way. (Maybe that _is_ a conclusion though.)

>It also leads me to beg the survey: How many of you who consider yourself  
>bisexuals would say you're 4 or higher on the Kinsey scale, and howmany  
>would claim to be 3 or lower?  Some say 1&2's are het's, 4&5's (&>) are  
>homosexuals, and what but 3 is left over for bi's?  I know I'm not a 3...

A survey like that should also ask: and how many of you consider your
sexuality (eg place on the Kinsey scale) as something fixed for life,
rather than something fluid that changes over time?

>(Something about this topic seems slightly taboo...but I can't put a  
>finger on it.)

Not to me... relax. But I don't think it's useful to define bisexuals as
people who are Kinsey 3. "Anyone who isn't Kinsey 0 or 6" is more like it.
"Anyone who says they are" is even better.

>>BTW, welcome.
>Thanks.  It's nice to finally feel at home...

I'm glad you do. It means we must be getting somewhere.
Welcome.


/jon (personally, a 3 <= kinsey < 5)
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:22:58 GMT

In article <16rlcvINNbff@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
|In article <1992Aug18.192110.14761@midway.uchicago.edu>,
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) said:
|>In article <16r7v5INN9u4@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu
|>(Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
|>|In article <5658@ebt-inc.UUCP>, pks@queue.uucp (Pearl Stark) said:
|>|>I couldn't let this pass without plugging providence ...
|>|yeah, and soon to be even cooler ... and neater ...
|>   Might this have something to do with certain people moving there?
|why whoever (in what hot tub) could ever have given you *that* idea?

   Um, er, yeah.  Whoever indeed.  Though I will note that I did not
swoon (saying "oh, swoon!" doesn't count), nor propose marriage (at 
least not in the context of the hot tub in question.)  Any reports to
the contrary are slightly exaggerated.

|yeah, it just might have something to do with that ....

   Can I visit Providence?   I promise to be good.
                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Fashionably Bi? :)
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:33:02 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Aug17.095012.1@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu>, 75furlong@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu writes:
> In article <16o50kINNkik@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>>	o Don't assume I am really straight and only claiming to be
>>>	  bisexual to be fashionable.
>> 
>> Is it actually fashionable in some areas in the world to be bi?
>> -roy, who's starting to pack :).
> 
> Yup, I definitely need to move. (Gosh-I've *never* been fashionable before.
> What will I wear....?)
> 
> Perhaps you can fit me in your suitcase, Roy?
	And me too, Roy?  "Fashionable," eh?  I think I could get used
to this...:)
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_