HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:47:44 GMT

In article <RoFRRB20w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
>> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>> > It causes UUCP systems using slow modems on noisy lines to waste ...
>>            ^ broken
>
>No, not broken.  *All* UUCP systems on bad lines will handle large postings
>less well than they handle small ones.
>
>Consider a 2400 baud UUCP site (there are plenty around still) collecting a
>5MB article.  It has to keep its link working for over 4 hours.  If the line
>fails for some reason, it has to dial in again and start transferring the
>article again from the beginning.

actually, i believe there are now uucp versions that do *restart* at
mid-file transfers. or at least there no reason after all these years
to not have this ability. fix uucp if it doesnt :-)

secondly, "bad noisy lines" should only be VERY intermittent, seldom
occuring events or located in 3rd world countries. fix the phoneline,
there are standards for noise on those WITHOUT going to datagrade.

arguing reasons that shouldnt be there anyway, and are in themselves
fixed more directly and correctly, is not the way to go in bleeding
edge networking imho.
and "masking" the problems will NEVER get them fixed and the so called
'reasons' will NEVER go away. cast in stone. stuck with garbage forever.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca  [129.97.128.1]      kgdykes@thinkage.com
Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.video.satellite,misc.forsale.computers,biz.comp.services
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Usenet News via Satellite
Keywords: Usenet Satellite 9600bps
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:36:02 GMT

len@netsys.com (Len Rose) writes:

> PageSat/ISS Engineering has been in the uplink business for over 10 years.
> They have been serving major paging customers for most of that time. We  
> have alot of bandwidth still available on our transponders, and we already  
> have the equipment. It's been used for our other commerical customers for
> years, with the exception of the modem, which is relatively new hardware..

What happens if you only get 30 sites signed up?   How long can 
you afford to provide a uplink with only 30 subscribers?  Will
you refund the monies received?

One can purchase the hardware for less than $1000 (wholesale) --
your price is quite high -- how much for subscription after the 
initial feed expires?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Forged postings
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:09:30 GMT

A while back, I got into a flame war with a character who thought I had no
right to criticize his religion (no, not the Ayotolla, this guy belonged to
a religion that supposedly preaches tolerance).

Anyway, I stopped reading his mail, and just replyed to everyone I got with
a canned message telling him that I'm not reading his mail.  Well, recently,
I accidentally read one, where he threatened to flood me with messages.

So now, my mailbox is flooded.  Somebody, and I'll leave it to your
imagination to figure out who, forged a message from me to all the test
groups, including ones that we don't carry here.

Unfortunately, I never saved anything this jerk ever sent me, so I don't
know his address, just that his gcos name was 'doc'.  (I think it was an
.edu site - it fits with the fact that I didn't hear anything from him
between April and September).
So if you're a sys admin, and you have a person on your site called 'doc',
could you please tell me who he is, or conversely could you please tell him
to stop this before I'm forced to take stronger action.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:28:16 GMT

cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:

>doesn't mean the cost isn't there.  I'm not going to be able to look
>at my paycheck and say "hey, this would have been $1 more if we didn't
>have Usenet" (the way I can with utilities) because it's lost in the
>noise -- but it's still there.

If it is "lost in the noise", then why quantify the cost of an abberant
poster and use that quantification to justify various forms of reproach?
Isn't that like picking nits?


-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   People who think they know all are often insufferable.
            Rather like those who imagine that they know nothing.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: MAPS! (was Re: Clinton/Gore organization is on the net)
Keywords: Usenet network maps location?
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:04:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.075316.17629@fullfeed.fullfeed.com> Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com writes:
>In article <90619@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
># 
># There is nothing to prevent the NRA, Operation Rescue, and "a whole slew
># of other groups" from getting on the Internet, Usenet or any other network
># ... providing that they can pay the bill.  For example, you might
># find a scan of the Usenet "maps" quite interesting, ...
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Please, direct me to these "Usenet maps", at once!

news.lists.ps-maps

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  Contains: Carbonated water, high fructose corn syrup and/or sugar, caramel 
  color, phosphoric acid, caffeine, citric acid and natural flavorings.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Fax services available through Internet
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:44:39 GMT

There are some free fax services available through the Internet.  Some are 
provided through the goodwill of some organization for specific purposes 
such as the recent protest campaign to the UN about the lack of decisive 
aid to Somalia.  

There are also some local fax services available to anyone on the Internet
for sending faxes in the local area of the host offering the service.  I 
wonder if there is a list of such local fax services.  I maintain a 
mailing list for a group some of whose members do not have access to the 
Internet but do have fax machines, and we would like to include them on 
our list.  If there were free local fax services in places like London, 
New York, Washington, Geneva, Delhi, etc., then we would be able to 
cover most of our non-Internet members.

If anybody knows of such a list, please email me.  If there is no 
such list, then I am thinking of compiling a list.  I would like to 
hear from anyone who knows of local services.
 
Please email to:  richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca


-- 
Conrad Richter                     richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
Richters Herbs                     71550.3411@compuserve.com
Goodwood, ON L0C 1AO Canada        Tel 416-640-6677 / Fax 416-640-6641
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: many unparsable dates as of late
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:21:50 GMT

wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler) writes:

>  (are GMT+1 and UT legal timezones?)

GMT+1 doesn't conform to the standards; UT does.

>	o what would be *the* document that documents legal headers? 
>	  rfc 1036 still?

RFC 1036 is still the defining document.  It refers to RFC 822, which
has been amended by RFC 1123 for date and time formats; so you need all
three documents.

>	o should we get our act together and upgrade to C news?  does
>	  C news fix the timezone problem?  (what other advantages to C
>	  news are there?  is it worth our trouble?)

You should definitely upgrade out of B News.  C News and INN are both
attractive replacements.  The ``timezone problem'' is not a high
priority for either of them, though, since it's bad form to propagate
articles that don't conform to the standards.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:45:51 GMT

In article <326@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:

>You've got me ... are you not getting posts because you have
>the !group in your sys file or because the group doesn't exist
>anymore and your feed site isn't relaying them....

The former.  I regularly get C news reports telling me how many
hundreds of postings in alt.binaries.* we've refused from our feed
site.

>Or does the
>group still exist?  Someone said they thought it didn't (which
>was what prompted my query.)

Ah, alt.sex.pictures isn't "supposed" to exist any longer, but
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica and its sibling groups do.  And are
quite active.

Followups to alt.doc.c-news. :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.video.satellite,misc.forsale.computers,biz.comp.services
From: len@netsys.netsys.com (Len Rose)
Subject: Usenet News via Satellite
Summary: We provide full newsfeeds
Keywords: Usenet Satellite 9600bps
Organization: PageSat
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:36:16 GMT


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 The satellite is GE's K2, and covers all of the continental US,southern
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-- 
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:00:56 GMT

In article <2945@news.cerf.net> billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski) writes:
>Edward Vielmetti writes...
>>Who pays for USENET?  I pay for USENET.
>Thanks!

While Ed's efforts are nice, he isn't doing a good job.  Ed was late
two payments in a row.  Luckily on Jan 1, 1993 someone else gets
a turn.  I believe it's Bill Romanowski.  Jan 1, 1994 is when my
turn comes around.

Tom (who will go into hiding on Dec 31, 1993) Limoncelli

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
       Both candidates are offering economic packages, but only
          one candidate can leave us with a President Quayle.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: mshah@next3.corp.mot.com
Subject: preventing articles from expiring
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:14:37 GMT

We have a news group that carries some standards which do not change
frequently. They are set to expire in 365 days. Is there a way to 
get around this and prevent this articles from expiring after the 
set period of 365 days which is the max. allowable limit for the version of  
news we are running. This way we will be  releived from the burden of 
re-posting them.
     Thanks in advance.

-Manish Shah
 mshah@next3.corp.mot.com
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: who pays for USENET
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Sep27.092816.21637@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.092816.21637@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:

   If it is "lost in the noise", then why quantify the cost of an abberant
   poster and use that quantification to justify various forms of reproach?
   Isn't that like picking nits?

Only for the big sites where USENET resources are a very small portion
of the budget.  The problem is significant to the home/small business
crowd, where the budget is much smaller and USENET costs are
relatively much larger, even if they are smaller in absolute dollars.

So there are two ways to view the cost to sites: as absolute dollars
(which may be proportional to the number of newsgroups received) or in
terms of relative cost (which varies widely).

I think this is the point of the discussion.  For some users, USENET
is apparently free.  For other users, who own their own PC/Mac/... at
home, phone and disk costs are very directly felt, and absurd
crossposts translate into dollars that more directly come from the
pocketbook.

(I am not saying that USENET is free, just that the user's perception of
its cost varies depending upon the environment.  And that perceived cost
affects one's judgment of how serious various net infractions are.)
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:15:54 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Sep26.151349.1962@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:

>Fix the broken software.  

Aaaahhhhhh.  A voice in the wilderness.  Good *@#&^$ luck.  The software
is at thousands of separate sites maintained (at best) rarely.

>Adhere to and enforce standards.

Certainly.  The standard is articles of size 64k or less. <g>

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Like to get your feet up, watch TV.		|	-Richard Hartman	
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From: bochner@das.harvard.edu (Harry Bochner)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: distribution of local hierarchies
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:16:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Oct5.181602.26749
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Oct05.155712.152998@watson.ibm.com>, c1dje@watson.ibm.com (David 
Edelsohn) writes:
|> 	I should have made it clear in my original posting that I am not
|> referring to cross-posted articles.  The articles in question are posted to
|> a single newsgroup in a local hierarchy with an explicit local (or at most
|> regional) distribution.

Indeed. Lots of articles like this show up inappropriately here as well.
My understanding is that this is the result of sites using "all" in their
sys files.

The problem isn't big enough (here) to be a problem for us; we just don't forward
the articles that shouldn't have reached us in the first place.

-- 
Harry Bochner
bochner@das.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: bjp@sura.net ( Brad Passwaters )
Subject: Re: distribution of local hierarchies
Organization: SURAnet Operations Staff
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:48:55 GMT

>        Is there interest in having the backbone sites implement this as
>well or is there enough of an interest in these local newsgroups off-site
>that they should be forwarded around the world?  In other words, should
>uunet, sura, and sgiblab (to name a few) filter newsgroups more
>agressively?  I am not trying to wage a campaign against these newsgroups,
>especially if many people find them useful, but it seems that
>"Distribution" should have some effect and help limit the ever-growing
>USENET bandwidth needs.

Well I can not speak for other people but I can tell you what our
*current* feelings on the matter are.  We will take any news group from 
people feeding us.  However when it comes to sending out news we only
give people exactly what they ask for.  In fact if they ask for /all
we explain exactly what that means to them into the flood of news groups
that they will recieve.  However if someone intentionally requests to
get all news groups then we give them all groups.  Personally if some
one in Florida  wants to read about Siberian fast food places hey who
am I to stop them.  We also work very hard to explain to our sites
how distributions work and to try to only send them the correct ones.

[Please note that when I say we accept all groups I should clarify that.]
[We do try to contact people and insure that any group we add to our active]
[file was actually meant to escape its site of origin.]

We will continue to follow this thread to see what the rest of the
world thinks on the matter.

Brad Passwaters                                 (301)(982-3214)
SURAnet Operations                              bjp@sura.net
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: newsgroup sizes
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:19:32 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.admin.misc, article <1ad7mgINN7hc@smurf.smurf.sub.org>,
  I wrote:
> 
> I posted the resulting data to news.lists a few weeks ago and asked whether
> anybody found the lists useful, but the response was exactly zero.

... which appears to be because of a local problem with outgoing postings.

I'll try again later this week.

-- 
Today is National Existential Ennui Awareness Day.
-- 
Matthias Urlichs  --  urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de   /(o\
Humboldtstrasse 7 -- 7500 Karlsruhe 1 -- Germany  --  +49-721-9612521     \o)/
From: ronk@cascade.ens.tek.com (Ron Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: newsgroup sizes
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:54:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: zephyr.40572
Reply-To: Ron.C.Kirkpatrick@tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Beaverton, OR

In article <1ad7mgINN7hc@smurf.smurf.sub.org>, urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
.
.
.
|> 
|> I'm running a simple Perl script under INN which counts articles and
|> their sizes (for every newsgroup and (sub)hierarchy the article appears
|> in) and stores that in a DBM database. Every week, a cron job is supposed
|> to generate appropriate statistics.
|> 
|> I posted the resulting data to news.lists a few weeks ago and asked whether
|> anybody found the lists useful, but the response was exactly zero.  :-/
|> 
.
.
.

I must have missed your article. Could you please either re-post it or mail
me a copy?

-- 
Thanks,
Ron Kirkpatrick
Tektronix, Inc
News Administrator
503-627-6707
From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Installing c-news
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:10:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm trying to install cnews on my Linux box at home.  I managed to get
it to compile, although not without some compiling of stuff by hand so
that certain .o's could be found which somehow didn't make it into the
library. 

So I finally got doit.root, doit.bin, doit.news & again.root to make
it through with no complaints.  Permissions seem to be correct so that
my feed can run rnews.  However.  Stuff gets left in in.coming or
moved to in.coming/bad.  I've read the files--articles are there, they
just don't get moved into the proper directories.  I've tried running
newsspool by hand, but no luck.

I've managed to post stuff to local groups.  It seemed to get sent to
my feed & come back.  readnews gives me nothing, even though at least
one group has an article in it.

Ideas, encouragement & flames appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
Jay Pfaffman, Computer Coordinator        pfaffman@pilot.njin.net
Dwight-Englewood School, 315 E. Palisade Ave.                      
Englewood, NJ  07631-0489                 201-569-9500
(Testing  new site --> pfaffman@relax.mcds.com)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.admin
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Ill-effects of a posting greater than 64k
X-Comment: news.admin has been supersed by news.admin.misc
Followuwp-To: news.admin.misc
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:36:56 GMT

In article <Tm2JRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> Probably because they were posted to alt groups that nobody in UUCP-land gets
> -- like the alt.binaries.pictures hierarchy, for instance.

You would be surprised at the number of UUCP-only sites that take these.
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: distribution of local hierarchies
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:06:24 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <qnoja74@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com> vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:

>Wouldn't it be better if the ultimate sources of the offending
>newsgroups would not send out anything they don't think the world wants
>to see?

I wouldn't say so.  Do you want to leave it up to what "they don't
think" should get to the outside world?  Who's to know what the rest
of the world is interested in?  I can understand wanting
campus-specific newsgroups from the rest of the world, but it's not
inconceivable to me that a transplanted San Francisco native might
want to read ba.politics from Omaha.  ba.politics actually gets a
pretty wide distribution.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc