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From: boris@pecan.ctr.columbia.edu (Boris Varshavsky)
Subject: Re: StPbrg makes Russian publishing history
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:18:45 GMT
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In article <1993Jan5.065007.3810@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>StPetersburg makes Russian book publishing history. There is published
>the first Russian telephone catalogue! The Yellow Pages of StPbrg.
>The work is done with the aid and know -how from Finland.
>
>Russia can make missiles, nuclear bombs, rackets, canons,tanks,satellites...
>but for making a telephone catalogue is needed help from Finland.
>It tells something about the priorities in these two countries.
>...
>A telephone catalogue of private telephone numbers is not available.

Jarmo, let me, as SPb' native, correct you.

I remember my shock when I had found our family's phone# in the directory.
It was ~1965 and I realized myself extremely famous person :)

For years we had quite useful bi-annual phone books. Of course, we didn't
know that it had to be called "Yellow Pages" to keep pace with civilization, huh.

As a matter of fact you didn't have access to MOST companies, institutions, etc.
using any phone directory or service (this info was kept in secret from general
public), even regarding WELL KNOWN places.

Just my $0.02...

-Boris
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Soviet
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:45:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan8.214538.19129
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1ikri9$7v1@agate.berkeley.edu> 
muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <93008.151858BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> 
><BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

B:
>>Have you ever thought why we - with a superior education system (just
>>compare it to the American one!), a best literature history in the world
>>(except, maybe, Hebrew or old Chineese), a lot of talented people etc -
>>why we are in such a condition now? 

YM:
>I doubt anybody knows the answer, and I'm not sure the feature you pointed
>out has much to do with it. On my side I would point to the fact that
>first university in Europe is dated 11-th or 12-th century, and in Russia
>(or better Ukrain) to 16-th or so 17-th. 

The first university in Europe was started by Plato in the Vth century
B.C.E.  To cite an Armenian friend of mine, at the time our ancestors
built their temples, the ancestors of the Slavs were sitting in the
trees, and spitting at each other.  Of course, he said it in Russian.

YM:
>Now, why do you think Russian literature history is best in the world? I would
>guess that French- or English men would not agree. As for Hebrew, maybe it's
>ignorance (as definetely is in case of Chineese, old or modern), but I'm not
>aware of any book of world renown (exept Bible, which I would not discuss
>here) in Hebrew.

One would think that a book like that is quite enough to claim the
world title, if only on the basis of popularity and abiding cultural
influence.  I think even Mao's Little Red Book comes in as a distant
second on both counts.

>Yury M.

B:
>>Is there any influence of this
>>lifestyle?
>>
>>And why I'm reding this? Well, I'm not of Sakhara Desert origin.

Yeah, you are just another lost soul, searching for the native synonym
of "chauvinist" to complete your self-image...

>>-Boris

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Discrimination and fascism in Estonia
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:51:23 GMT

Sergei Vizyuk (viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.185720.23761@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>> The underlying key-point in Yury Muravsky's standpoint is that he don't
>> recognize post-1940 immigrants in Estonia as immigrants, because he
>> thinks the occupation was legal. But since he know few people will
>> buy that argument, he tries with tricks like "discrimination". Isn't
>> newspeak beautiful?
>
>  Why doesn't Sommarskog get right to the point:
>Russian-speakers in Estonia are occupiers and therefore
>should be kicked off as soon as possible ?  At least
>his position on this question reduces to this.

Where, where have I said this?

Just for the record, I don't subscribe to the opinion which the
great liar Sergei Viznyuk tries to put in my mouth. And anyone
who have read postings where I have criticized Estonian legislation
knows this. Even Viznuyk, unless he is a complete illerate idiot.

In case Yury Muravsky does not subscribe to the opinion I put in
his mouth I would be gladly surprised, but it would make his opnion
on that having to fill in citizenhip application is a case of
discrimination even more impossible to understand.

>Why doesn't he at first tell us who proclaimed them "non-citizens" ?

Who was the first to proclaim you a non-citizen of the country where
you live now?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: viznyuk@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Discrimination and fascism in Estonia
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:25:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.225123.26882@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Sergei Vizyuk (viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu) writes:
>>
>>  Why doesn't Sommarskog get right to the point:
>>Russian-speakers in Estonia are occupiers and therefore
>>should be kicked off as soon as possible ?  At least
>>his position on this question reduces to this.
>
>Where, where have I said this?
>
>Just for the record, I don't subscribe to the opinion which the
>great liar Sergei Viznyuk tries to put in my mouth. And anyone
>who have read postings where I have criticized Estonian legislation
>knows this. Even Viznuyk, unless he is a complete illerate idiot.

  Next question which arises reading Sommarskog's tales
is whether Erland is idiot literate or not. The last sentence
above leaves no doubt about the answer.

>
>In case Yury Muravsky does not subscribe to the opinion I put in
>his mouth I would be gladly surprised, but it would make his opnion
>on that having to fill in citizenhip application is a case of
>discrimination even more impossible to understand.

  Well, even Finns on this list might have been able to
comprehend the meaning of the word "discrimination". But apparently
for Mr. Sommarskog it is too much...
  Anyway I wish him all the best in his efforts to learn
basics of English. The word discrimination is surely
not the first in alphabet...

Serega
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 09:50:11 MST
From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject:    USA source for videos of Russian movies?

Does anyone know of a good American mail-order source for videos of Russian
movies? English sub-titles would be nice, but not necessary.  The standard
video catalog available in most video stores only has about a dozen titles.
I know the Kamkin bookstore has another handful of titles.  Does anyone
know of a good source, both of the "classics" (such as War and Peace--not the
short dubbed version) and the more recent films?

Bruce Long
Arizona State University  icbal@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:36:32 GMT
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In <C0GCI7.7Er@fiu.edu> kilman2y@fiu.edu writes:

[A lot of offensive b*llshit deleted]

> Starshina.

Vi,  sudar', mogli  bi i ne   predstavlyat'sya...  Eto  ochevidno po Vashej
elokventsii. Armiya yavno sdelala iz Vas chELOVEKA (from petite "ch")...

Keep smiling,

Greg
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11960 soc.culture.europe:11090 talk.politics.soviet:10323
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1993Jan8.210900.19945@leland.Stanford.EDU>, delval@scottie.
Stanford.EDU (Alvaro DelVal) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.153254.12073@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> 
>>Well, I can write openly that my hear beats for the small nations and peoples
>>of Europe.

>>But still we find "huntbaches" which are concerned about the 
---
>>newsgroup came out "an other huntbach" which would start a campaign

> By the way, I presume I'm not the only one who finds the reference to
> "the huntbaches" as being in very bad taste.

> Alvaro


I agree totally with Alvaro. It's a good cause to be concerned about
the fates of small nations but one should also keep in mind that small
nations are often evaluated by the conduct of their "representatives",
even single netters, which could give a nation a bad name even their
views were not shared by many other fellow countrymen.

Here I feel obliged to take distance of the peculiar "mutluism" of
Jarmo Ryyti. Sometimes his postings have some interesting information.
But, in most of cases, he reminds me a guy who is trying to provoke
a barroom argument - and fight.

- Tapani Hietaniemi
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Glubokie izvineni'a ( starshina i t.d. .... )
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:59:09 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
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In <C0MD64.KEt@fiu.edu> kilman2y@fiu.edu writes:

> Dami i Gospoda:
>
> Kak vi mogli dogidat'sa, mnogie studenti seichs na kanikulah. Posle
> tajologo semestra, ia vospol'zovalsa korotkim pererivom v uchobe
> chto bi vospolnit' balans alkogol'a v moei krovi :)
> V rezul'tate vi imeli vozmojnost' procitat' bred netrezvogo cheloveka.
> K sojaleniu, chitateli etoi newsgroop, stali kleimit' netol'ko men'a
> ( chto ia vpolne zaslujil ) no i drug druga.
> Ia gluboko sojaleu o sozdanoi mnoi obstanovke i izvinaus' pered
> kajdim kogo ia mog v toi ili inoi stepeni oskorbit'.
> Pokorneshe proshu uvajaemih chetatelei s.c.s. prekratit' nachatuiu
> mnoi perebranku. Esli je kto schitaet, chto emu/ei neobhodimo viskazat'sa
> po etomu povodu, e-mail na moi address i ne pogan'te net kak eto sdelal ia.

Yes, usually people use a WC for such things...

>
> Pokorneshe vash,
> Y.K.
> P.S. Eshe raz prochitav kopii sostrapannih mnoi stat'ishek hochu
>      dobavit' chto v nih daleko ne vse pravda.
> P.P.S. Dla lubopitnih: pil to ia Absolut Kurant... Horosha!!!!!
>

Wow! What a confession! I just wonder - what did Misha Verbitsky drink when
posting   his   article  ``with  a  new    signature?''  Was it   "politura
neochistchennaya"  (``unrefined French polish,''  sorry for jeau des mots)?
And will we  hear his  confession?  (Though I  know the  answer to the last
question...)

Cheers,

Greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: serg@appmath.uchicago.edu (Sergey Reznikov)
Subject: Re: translation problem
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, U. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:37:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.132839.3633@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer) writes:

>I will simply transliterate "Mesraim" (it seems futile to try to 
>decipher what ruler of ancient Egypt that term refers to).

"Mitzraim" is Hebrew for Egypt.



Sergey Reznikov
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:46:06 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame


 Ludwig Ivanovich Beethoven "sucks from musical point of view".
 Moonlight sonata? So What? "The melody is 4 notes on 2 chords...
 "Listen closely. His approach to piano is like one of bodybuilder to
 the bodybuilding equipment". I heard the guy was deaf.

 DISCLAIMER: The statements above do not represent anybody's opinion.
 They only demonstrate a way you can run a discussion.

---
Muss es sein? Es muss sein.
Epigraph to String Quartet in F Major, Opus 135
LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: Sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Sorokin Zhenya)
Subject: Re: Once again on restitution of states (Was: discrimination
Organization: Inst. of General Electronics and Electroengeneering, TU Vienna
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:18:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.103512.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>
>> As for legality. Suppose monarchy is restored in Russia tomorrow. Than, IMHO
>> occupation (or better reaanexation) will be perfectly legal, it will just
>> void treaties of illegal goverment. 
>
>
>We have discussed this a couple of times before. Not every state should
>be restituted, only the states recognized by the international community.
>

Now I've got it! 
The discussion is making a third round already and there is no way to 
understand each other, because both sides use an arbitrary mixture of  
"legalistic" and "realistic" approach (sometimes also "ignoristic", but this 
can be cured), whatever favours the author's point of view.
Just look at this message.

The statement above is legalistic. It makes situation with three 
Baltic states different from all other ex-USSR (which is naturally 
favourable) and frees hands to everything.

>With international community I refer mainly to UN, 

This will not go, because UN recognized USSR after WW II with all its 
borders. Note the word "mainly".

>but 

There is a chance!

>in the Baltic case
>also to the League of Nations, 

This is realistic. Really, what L.of N. has to do with today? Do its 
decisions have _legal_ power? Besides, it is not the only international 
organization. There were and are a lot of others.

>because the Baltic states were the only
>states that were the League of Nations recognized members but did not
>become UN members. 

Again legalistic to get ends met. Not very logical sentence, but still.

>
>> Tsarist Russia was recognized for a hell
>> longer. 
>
>
>Tsarist Russia was never a member of the League of Nations. 

Legalistic.

>Restoring
>the pre-World War I conditions would be futile and senseless. I think
>we could agree on that.

Realistic. Really, if you stuck to the paragraph, what is the difference 
between WWI and WWII? Trace then back to Sweeden, Teutons... 

>
>>(And ESSR was recognized, as a part of USSR, too). 
>
>USA never did that. Sweden formally recognized the annexation. Finland
>never did that (in theory, but accepted this annexation in practice).
>The exile Estonian government started it's activities in Sweden.
>

OK, but UN did. Realistic approach, bacause legalistic fails.

Etc., etc., etc.
 

I've said it already and repeat once more, that you'll always find an 
infinite number of arguments to back almost any position. What really 
matters is a political will. 
And, by the way, human problems are *very* poorly solved by legalistic 
approach. Only realistic one goes, because human lives cannot be reduced to 
statistics. Each _real_ faith is unique.

Yours,
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Speaking with Vladimir Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:38:18 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1993Jan8.215031.19130@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> 
>>	what many of mentioned by you groups have tried to convey by
>>	their music.
> 
> Let me tell you something, you maniac, 
> most Chinese people have ten-inchers .  

It's interesting if the irreversible changes in Misha's intestine
could be regarded as evidence to this claim ?

Serega
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Info
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:28:36 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

I thought that this article may be of interest to the readers of s.c.s:


Article 646 of k12.lang.russian:
From: ilevi@nocharge.East.Sun.COM (Irina Levi - Sun East Coast IR Development)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sun & Russia
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:17:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ilevi@nocharge.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nocharge.east.sun.com

In article 22931@gtech.com, ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>
>Are there still any restriction on the export of Sun equipment to Russia ?
>
>
>Thank you


yes. a lot.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: X-Soviet Georgia Joins Turkic Blockade of Armenia
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:23:13 GMT


 History Repeats itself [1917-1919] as Georgia gives into Turkish Pressures 

From: _Platt Oilgram_, Thursday, December 17, 1992

[X-Soviet republic of Georgia joins blockade against Armenia]

NEW YORK -- The ex-Soviet republic of Georgia has joined Azerbaijan and Turkey
in extending a total blockade against Armenia, the landlocked southernmost
republic in the ex-USSR, effectively cutting off completely already limited
shipments of natural gas, gasoline and fuel oil, as well as grain and medical
supplies.

Government sources in Yerevan [Armenia] said the Georgian authorities' action
was the result of "blackmail" by Azerbaijan pressuring Georgians into joining
the blockade. Because of its own problems on its borders with Russia, Georgia
itself is now said to be 80% dependent on energy fuels supplied by or through Azerbaijan.

The Azeris first clamped a partial oil and gas embargo in the final months of
the Soviet Union, when the Armenian majority in Azerbaijan's Karabakh
autonomous region claimed restoring of human rights and the right to self-
determination. The blockade became total last winter, and Armenia became
completely dependent on limited tanker-truck shipments of petroleum products
and two narrow-diameter pipelines carrying natural gas from Turkmenistan via
Georgia.

Turkey, meanwhile, has reneged on its promise to supply some electricity, even
on a temporary. And despite earlier reports of a supply agreement, no Iranian
diesel oil has been trucked to Armenian from the Tabriz refinery via the
temporary pontoon bridge over the Arax River on the Armenian-Iranian border.

The President of Armenia, Levon Ter-Petrossian, has declared a "state of 
national disaster" to cope with the crisis. Turkey itself has imposed a 
secondary blockade to help its Azeri allies.

Meanwhile, the Azeris have launched a new air and ground offensive against
southern Armenia, with rockets and military aircraft taken over from the
remnants of the ex-Soviet Army in the Caucasus. The offensive is reportedly
aimed at "cleansing" both Karabakh and the southern Armenian province of
Zangezur and annexing it to Azerbaijan. Zangezur is considered to be the
likeliest export route for the proposed Turkmenistan-Europe gas pipeline
and the Caspian Sea-Mediterranean crude line via Azerbaijan and Turkey.


-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208)
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: First astronaut? Bull#$%t!
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:54:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <93004.124821X30KB@CUNYVM.BITNET>, X30KB@CUNYVM.BITNET (TimeLord) writes:
>
>         Privet vsem kto chitaet eto.
>
>         My step-grandfather was colonel in soviet air-force intelligence
> (or something like that). He told me once that Gagarin was not the first
>astronaut ever. Supposedly there was another one before him - I believe, that
>one's last name was Bondarenko, but his ship exploded on start.
>     Does anyone knows something about it?

Gagarin was the first (if we don't mention those launched from Atlantis, Moo
etc.) However, he was not supposed to be the first. Soviet cosmonaut #1 to
be, Grigory Nelyubov, was expelled from the program because of his personal
conflicts with Korolyov and other big bosses. 

We lost not a single cosmonaut due to explosions at launch site. Ground
personnel were lost (at test launches of strategic missiles). Also one
general got himself killed (don't remember the name of the guy). Anyway,
who cares?

-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Gillett)
Subject: Re: Cyrillic Transliteration
Cc: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:06:00 +0000


>About this "Unicode", what is it, and how does one on a PC use it? > And most import
antly, where do I get it?

Unicode is a standard for a universal character set - a character set 
containing all the world's characters (but not Egyptian or Mayan 
hieroglyphs).  It was designed by the Unicode Consortium (comprising 
Rank Xerox, IBM, Microsoft, Digital etc.) and has now been integrated 
into ISO 10646 as a subset. The Unicode standard, Part 1, is 
published by Addison Wesley, ISBN 0-201-56788-1 and the ISO 10646 
standard will be published really soon.  Part 1 includes all the 
alphabets, syllabaries, symbols (maths, dingbats etc.); Part 2 
includes the ideographic stuff (Han characters used in Chinese, 
Korean and Kanji). 

Programs using Unicode are being written now and the first will be 
available this year.  These programs will use Unicode internally as a 
canonical character form (uniform, stateless encoding to use the 
jargon).  I think the keyboard and font support needed for 
multilingual computing will take longer...

John Gillett, Winchester, UK

-john
From: westendorf@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Help, Need Romanian Recipes
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:29:32 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

 I know this is a Soviet newsgroup, but I'm looking for Romanian Recipes
 that are authentic and the Soviet Republic is next door.  Do any of
 you know of any authentic recipes for Romania.  My son needs to 
 make an authentic Romanian dinner for his school project.  Thanks
 in advance.  Please E-mail to me.
  Mary