From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.062904.2826@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:
>In article <Bttxzq.HpH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

I apologize for the outcome of my preivious attempt to answer Panos 
Tamamidis' posting.  Somehow, my file server did not make any editing 
changes that I have done while I was writing.  That is why I wanted to 
post here again to avoid any misunderstanding.  The problem could be
my mistake by using a wrong key sequence while thinking that my 
editing on the screen would be implemented in the actual file as well.
Anyway, my answer should have been as below:

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In article <Bttxzq.HpH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>>Are you kidding?  Turkish arm forces are the only reason
>>why Cyprus was never turned out to be today's Bosnia.
>>This is the only security that Turkish Cypriots have and
>>alway will.  Like every Bosnians today, we all know how
>>much UN provides when modern day massacres committed.
>
> I haven't seen so much hypocricy in my entire life.  You turn things
> upside-down; you present the black as being white.  

I can post the entire Akritas plan (Grivas put this
together) if you want to learn the meaning of hypocrasy.  
>
> Turkish forces in Cyprus are forces of occupation.  Turkish invaded
> Cyprus in order to divide the island into a Greek and a Turkish part.
> 
Hardly.  Turkish arm forces there for the security of
Turkish Cypriots.  They could not do it in 1963 but they did it
with flying colors to protect their own from the similar
faith that the Bosnians are faced today.  You may be sorry that they
were party pupers in 1974.  But many Turkish Cypriots were
just thinking the opposite saying that those arm foces are their
only savior.

> Turkey has been 'convicted' by the UN numerous times since 1974.
> Your opinion, that turkish military in Cyprus "is the only security 
> that Turkish Cypriots have and always will" shows the real intension
> of Turkey; which is to annex the northern part of Cyprus.

We all know how UN resolves the ethnic violonce and
cleansing, don't we?  That is why the Turkish arm forces
are there and will move nowhere until Turkish Cypriots
are satisfied with the outcome of the negotiations. 
As I understand from past and current goverments in Turkey,
despite all the internal problems in Turkey and the issue of
membership to EEC, the resounding resolution will always
be to stay in Cyprus until a "satisfactory settlement" to be reached.  
When they say the "satisfactory settlement" they mean the satisfactory
settlement to the Turkish Cypriot side.  18 years, 36 years 50 years 
do not make any difference if Turkish Cypriots are not convinced that 
there is no way of returning to the situation before 1974.  
I guess this might be the missing point.

>
> What? The numerous convictions of Turkey from UN are also crap?
> On the one hand, Turkey is refusing since 1974 to comply with the
> UN decisions, and on the other hand you dare to call this thing crap?
> Do you know how many nations have voted against Turkey in the UN?
> All nations, with the exception of Pakistan. Do you thing all these
> people are stupid, and Turkey is the clever guy who always demands but
> never complies?

You cannot expect to have your cake and eat it too.
Sure, the Greek side has to concede  more because they
were the party who started that mess at the first place.  Don't you 
see the Iraqis now.  They cannot fly over their own country since they
lost the war.  What do you expect Panos?  If you lose in
the battle field, you must lose at the table as well.
Otherwise what is the meaning to go to the battle field to
resolve a conflict?  Look around, all losers paid the
price.  Germany lost the war. They lived almost a half century
as a divided country.  Otherwise, how an aggressor can be thought not 
to repeat their mistakes again.  These are simple things to
be learned as common sense.  There is no way that Cyprus will 
return to the same status before 1974.  It is too late if
you expect that.  If Turkey could be intimidated by UN to do what 
is right, never done what it did at the first place.  Besides,
we all know how UN decisions are made.  At least, I learned very well 
just following these recent events.

Both Cypriot parties at the table now and there will be no 
resulution what so ever according to Ankara if Denktas is not 
satisfied.   I heard that he is really trying.  When Denktas says 
"Yes," you know that you got a deal.  Until then, we just have an empty 
talk here on this subject as many times you wish.  

C. Akgun


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