HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [comp.unix.programmer, et al.]  Re: logging outgoing telnet sessions to catch 'hackers' (summary)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:59:52 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org


Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.admin.policy
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven P. Miale)
Subject:  Re: logging outgoing telnet sessions to catch 'hackers' (summary)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:11:46 GMT

In article <vijay.703271720@cdsun.fnal.gov>, vijay@cdsun.fnal.gov (Vijay Gurbani) writes:
> >>I don't believe that is any of your business. Where someone telnets to,
> >>who they send mail to, etc., should not be logged. Your plan sounds
> >>an awful lot like "Big Brother" to me.
> 
> Stretching my license analogy, just having a license to drive does not give
> the licensee (account holder) the right to speed, and/or disregard traffic
> protocols. If they do, they are held accountable to the police (system
> maintainer). How does the police make sure that the licensee holds up his/her
> end? By snooping (radar guns, hiding in an alley, etc) of course! Now would
> you say that the police was violating your rights by shooting his radar gun
> in your direction!?!

No, but I WOULD say the policeman was violating my rights if the government
required me to put a detector in my car that would indicate when and where
I was going at all times. The analogy you are shooting for is something
along the lines of "intermittent monitoring", but a logs and history files
are constant monitoring, a very different idea, more like Big Brother than
root.

Yes, by constantly monitoring people you'd catch all the speeders, but
you would take away their rights at the same time. Order and freedom
are mutually exclusive for the most part.
At the same time, monitoring all users to make sure they are not trying
to do anything wrong is an invasion of privacy; and plus, there is always
a way to circumvent security.

-- 
Steven Miale - spm2d@virginia.edu   | Backwards compatibility is backward.
Undergraduate Researcher            |
Department of Computer Science      |
University of Virginia              |
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [oh.general, et al.]  Re: Help stop the KKK
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:22:32 GMT


Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject:  Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:15:23 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.231712.18074@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, 
schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) said:

> - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a
> counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be
> confrontational but not violent.

> - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and
> defeat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.

"Hi there... we're a group of citizens who are concerned about the
Klan's negative attitudes towards the civil liberties of others, so
in order to protest against their attitudes we're going to try to
deprive them of their rights to freedom of speech."

Bleah.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: []  Taping without consent
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:19:12 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: kadie@eff.org


Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:59 EDT
From: Rasch@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Subject:  Taping without consent

There has been a lot of debate about whether a person can be videotaped (or
audiotaped) without consent.  The quick answer is it depends.  Of course you
can videotape people or objects if they are in the public view -- they have no
legitimate expectations of privacy.  Just look at The Star or other tabloids
that routinely photograph people on the streets.  There are limitations,
however.  There is a common law tort of interference with or invasion of
privacy, as well as exploitation of a person's likeness for financial gain.
(Suppose the "Coppertone" girl decided to sue).  From a Fourth Amendment
standpoint, a videotape in a public place is not an "unreasonable search or
seizure."

Videotapes in PRIVATE places are another matter.  Because they enable the
government to see what otherwise cannot be seen, and therefore impart
information to the government, they MAY constitute searches in Fourth Amendment
terms.  NOTE that the search (e.g., the videotaping) MUST entail some state
action -- be performed at the behest of law enforcement.  No state action -- no
fourth amendment violation.  (This does not prevent a private suit for
interference with privacy, however).  There is an exception recognized in Katz
v. United States.  That is, what Katz called the "invited ear" exception.  You
ALWAYS run the risk that the person you visit is videotaping you.  (OR, in
Katz, audiotaping you).  This has led to the development of the law of
one-party consent.  IN GENERAL, one party to a conversation may consent to its
being recorded.  Exceptions exist in many jurisdictions for TELEPHONE
conversations where the state law may require two party consent.

If the law always required two-party consent to video/audio recording, imagine
the effect on -- for example -- television news.  No more undercover recodings
-- no more 60 Minutes.  No more panoramic sweeps (consent from all the
pedestrians??).

Finally, in the electronic environment things are even more screwy.  Telephone
calls are covered by privacy laws, FCC regulations, wiretap and surveillance
laws, warrant requirements and the like.  Electronic communications may also be
covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, the Privacy Protection
Act, and (a la Steve Jackson) the First Amendment.

The turgidity continues.
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu, or (anonymous) ap.3619@layout.berkeley.edu=
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.society]  Re: USENET Censorship at Iowa State University
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:11:40 GMT


From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.society
Subject:  Re: USENET Censorship at Iowa State University
Message-Id: <mhart.702902672@blackjack>
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:44:32 GMT


In <1992Apr6.201903.18335@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
 cs4cb3ii@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Group I) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.205935.29334@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu
> (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>If your library is like most, it does not keep a record of the books
>>you check out.

>Sure it does.  Every library I have ever been to has eventually come after
>me for my overdue books.  Whether or not this information can be
>used, or in what manner it can be used is controlled, but libraries do
>at some time, know what books you have.

I've worked for a library computer system vendor, and a library system.
One of the most sacred tenents of the systems provided was that of
privacy.  There were capabilities built into the systems that would
allow the libraries to save, in a log form, all past transactions.
I've been involved with about 30 library systems;
NOT A SINGLE ONE EVEN KEPT RECORDS OF PATRON BORROWING once an item
was returned.

>I would also be willing to bet
>that most computerized library systems keep track of your old
>records, at least until that particular database record is 'overwritten'
>by a new borrower/book record.  Perhaps someone with more knowledge
>of computerization in library book checkout could write a comp.risks
>article. (?)

Negative.  In the systems I've been in contact with, once an item is
returned, the link between patron and item is broken, and, short of
taking a disk drive out of service and exploring it sector by sector,
there is no way to 'back-track' a patrons' borrowing history.

--
|   Michael G. Hart                   mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil    |
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|     You think _I_ speak for the government or the navy?  HAH!      |
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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [comp.admin.policy]  Re: A question of ethics
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:08:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: herodotu.9204132008.AA15461
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org


From: rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
Subject:  Re: A question of ethics
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:58:18 GMT

In article <9209917.8951@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> mikec@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael CIAVARELLA) writes:
>	1)	What are the legal implications (if any)
>		of the XX admin's actions?

Not sure -- I'm not a lawyer, just a poor ol' student.  I would say, though,
that it seems like the XX Admin (hereinafter known as the ASS) seemed to
have trespassed, and broken into YY's machine.  

>	2)	If A logs in to YY from XX and uses his
>		program, does this give the XX admin the
>		right to act as he did?

IMHO, there is *nothing* that would give the ASS the right to act as he
did.  He has no authority to act on YY's machine.  Period. 

>	3)	What would you do in the XX admin's place?

I would mail YYAdmin and ask him to deal with it.  

>	4)	What would you do in A's place?

Raise a serious, serious stink.  See if XX can be fired, or censured, or
something.  Make his life hell (legally, of course).  It also depends on
what kind of program it is. . . If it's *illegal*, then I may be quiet, but
I think few programs are illegal to own, just to run. . .

BTW, on our system, it is illegal to *run* password crackers, but not
illegal to own them. . .

>	5)	What would you do in the YY admin's place?

I would do as I would have done if I thought anyone else from XX was
cracking on my machine.  I wouldn't mail XX's sysadmin, because he's the
culprit, so I would go to whomever is above him. . .

XX's actions are, IMHO, no different than the actions of any cracker I've
ever dealt with.  He had no right to access YY, and broke an account
somewhere else to get access to YY (and su'ing as root to A to get access to
YY as A is a crack, regardless of whom it's done by).

The ASShole should be burned at the stake, IMHO. . .

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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [soc.men]  Re: A neat story, and a question.
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:40:27 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org


Newsgroups: soc.men
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject:  Re: A neat story, and a question.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:48:42 GMT

In article <FXBL_3C@ais.org> chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald) writes:

)I'd like to know if there is some place FTPable that archives sexual
)harrassment policies. I can't believe saying something that "offends"
)somebody in a room, when you've NEVER spoken to them or even know who they
)are can be termed 'sexual harrassment.'\

No - but they are all pretty much the same.  Typically they come from
the EEOC boilerplate verbatim.

The usual keywords are 'hostile, intimidating, or offensive working
environment'.  Which is of course _very_ vague.  

The full-boat definition is:

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature constitue sexual harassment when (1)
submission to such conduct is mae either explicitly or implicitly a term or
condition of an individual's employment, (2) submission to or rejection of
such conduct by an individual is use as the basis for employment decisions
affecting such an individual, or (3) such conduct has the purpose or effect
of unreasonably interferring with an individual's work performance or
creating an intimidating, hostile, or offesnive working environment.

You can find some of the rampant paranoia that is currently going on in the
industry about this topic in a (somewhat) recent article in 'Industry Week'. 
This paranoia is most likely fueled by a spate of recent court decisions,
though the details of the decisions are not documented well in the article.

The history of this language is also interesting.  The legislation on which
it was allegedly based was the Civil Rights act of 1964.  This legislation
says absolutely NOTHING about 'hostile environments'.  What it says is more
along the lines of the following:

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 makes it "an unlawful employment
practice for an employer ... to discriminate against any individual with
respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment,
because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."
42 U.S.C. s 2000e-2(a)(1).

The EEOC argued for the current broad interpretation (based on work by
McKinnon, co-author of the much discussed 'anti-pornography' ordanance)
though Clarance Thomas probably deserves his share of the 'credit', being the
head of the EEOC at the time.  The courts bought this interpretation, and it
is now the effective law of the land.  I believe the ACLU is challenging it
in its current form as a violation of the first ammendment (freedom of
speech) - arguing (correctly IMO) that federal law (which is what Title VII
is) should not impose content/value judgement restrictions (such as
'offensive') on speech.
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.news
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Computers and Academic Freedom News 02.08 2/2 (Digest)
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 09:35:54 GMT

Computers and Academic Freedom News
Vol. 02, No. 08


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From caf-talk Fri Jan 17 00:00:00 1992
Xref: eff comp.org.eff.talk:6023 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:2880 ba.politics:2473 uc.general:17
From: krober@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kristie A. Roberson)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Good news!
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:28:10 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <7APR199211432080@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 8888cc19@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Good Witch of the Silicon Forest) writes:
>Yes!  I just got back yesterday from an absolutely wonderful weekend with
>some friends in the Hill Country of Texas.  The weather was beautiful,
>the stars were shining, and it was all around a wonderful experience.

Tina Marie:
   What part of the Hill Country?  Although I go to school here in San Antonio,
   I live in the Hill Country.  That's good news coz I can be there whenever
   I want.

Smiles and Warm Fuzzies,
kris (aka red)


-- 
krober@lonestar.utsa.edu        ::       *  BRIDGE IS LIKE SEX  *
Kristie ( red ) Roberson        ::    If you don't have a good partner,
:-[                             ::    You better have a good hand.
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: Wonderful Weather!
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:54:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.134515.26516@source.asset.com> parksd@source.asset.com (Don Parks) writes:
>In article <92099.081055PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>I'd much rather read a posting about the arrival of spring than one of
>>Richard's ugly comments (or stories).

Some people do like those stories, actually....I've seen some people say
halfway laudatory things about them...

>It is good news, for me, to see that there still exists some truly
>beautiful people out there in alt.good.news.  I strongly agree with
>your opinion stated above.

Well, you do know what they say about beauty.

>Don
>
>P.S. But then again, I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>                         (or something like that...)


True.  For instance you can get old video tapes of 1950s Hydrogen Bomb
tests.  Some people really like those.  The breathtaking beauty of those
enormous, unspeakably deadly forces of nature released to mercilessly
obliterate delicate coral atolls and splendid Pacific islands in a searing
paroxysm of thermonuclear flame truly leaves one at a loss for words...

Have a nice day.


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
From: chas@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Contract
Summary: Have just been informed that my contract is to be extended.
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:56:38 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University

This might be my first posting. Anyway, I've just heard that the
organization who employ me want to keep me on. This I do reckon to be
good news.


-- 
Chas Spencer			email :	Chas@ed.ac.uk
Mon & Thur	Computing Officer,	Dept of Mechanical Engineering
Tue & Wed	User Support,		EUCS
University of Edinburgh
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: going diving
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:32:08 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <1992Apr14.075946.10598@abo.fi> MVIKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Michaela Vikman Ktf91) writes:
>
>Well - I sure wish we had that kind of weather here. All the snow's gone
>now, and spring is here. _I J*U*S*T L*O*V*E I*T_!!! But no swimming in another
>two months - it's still quite cold up here.
>
Micha,

Well the good news got better, I lived through it.  Dove 95' to a ship which
was sunk and it was like something out of Disneyland.  The number of fish and
how friendly they were, 3 rays went cruising by and a huge eel was hiding in
the bow poking his head out as divers went by.  Went to 114' to dive around
a old plane and the night dive was very good.

BTW, I can imagine how spring in Finland is, I lived in Fairbanks, Alaska
for a while and after a winter of -50 F, I recall a spring day when it was
+21 F and everybody was out in the sun.  I bicycled to work that day because
it was so "warm".

tom
 
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Easter plans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:52:47 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Great News....
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:14:11 GMT

Hi Netters!
  I finally have some good news to impart to you....

I finally got my terminal in my room to be accepted by the terminal server!
Now I don't have to Type: set term=a210
It does it automaitcally.....(this actually took some time to get to work!!

Thanx for putting up with me...
Eric H
-- 
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   It is Eleven O'Clock....Do you know what Time it is??    
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From: cartwright@control.tgv.com (Denise V. Cartwright)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Wonderful Weather!
Summary: tsk, tsk....
Keywords: Richard....
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: control.8APR199220254835
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <rauser.702692194@sfu.ca>, rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes...
>mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton) writes:
> 
>>We've got great weather here in Indiana (knock on wood)
> 
>>Sixty degrees and sunny.  It's wonderful!
> 
> 
> 
>   Gee, Chris, we really care...NOT.
> 
>--


Richard, you write fairly well.  Are the barbs necessary on such a fine day as
this? 

By the way- thanks for the repostings... two of my friends now get to read the
Isabella Chronicles.

So, when is the next story coming out?

--Denise
From: rjb17@cl.cam.ac.uk (Richard Black)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Peace !
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:52:53 GMT
Reply-To: rjb17@cl.cam.ac.uk (Richard Black)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK


In the British Election, the constituency of West Belfast previously held by a
party supporting terrorism and murder, has been won by a party supporting a
United Ireland by peacefull means. This is Good News for the people of Ireland
and peace loving people the world over.

Richard.
From: Jamie.Jones@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jamie Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Wonderful Weather!
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:52:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

me too !

Anyway, the UK election is finally over, so maybe we won't switch
on the television to be bombarded by politics...

Now, that really is good news.
i

jamie.   [ jamie@hicom.lut.ac.uk ]


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From: les@brahms.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: YEAH...
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:11:14 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr13.113934.1322@wkuvx1.bitnet> stewahd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Mail order for the GreatFul Dead starts TOMORROW...

Wait, wait, wait!  Am I still reading rec.music.gdead or what?

Nothing left to do but smile, :-), smile!

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Ah Blissful...Good News
Summary: I can waste so much less time now
Keywords: waste, trn, reduction, b.s.
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:43:07 GMT

Ah, excellent.  Now that we have trn at this site, I can sift through a 
whole bunch of newsgroups without having to waste my life away sifting
through garbage-filled posts.  This will really make my life better in 
the more b.s. rich groups like comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, sci.math, 
comp.theory, rec.arts.movies, alt.sex.hamster.duct.tape.real.gross (just
kidding about that last one...perverts don't bother, I just made it
up now) and the like.

This is truly good news.

I could wish for only one more thing.

A kill function that would cause the posters of particularly inane trash
to spontaneously combust, or maybe just plain explode.  That'd be neat.

The only thing I fear is that people would use such a news reader to blow
me up for posts like this.  :-)


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"