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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Well what would you suggest?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:11:05 GMT

I will not at this time reveal the nature of abuse
incurred in my childhood.
I will say I cant bear to read this newsgroup.
It makes me want to go somewhere and die.
I have been told I need to talk about it.
Why? I have had a nervous breakdown once but am nearly
fully recovered now. I am stronger than I have been in years
and I think I will remain getting better.
So , to those of you who believe I need to talk,
What would you suggest?
I cant bear to look at this group anymore.
It is a good thing to exist I think. 
I need to be e-mailed any further correspondence.
Im sorry if I have depressed you today.
Another thing is that if I begin....
nevermind.
Thanks

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
From: anon-1264@twwells.com (KillDoll)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Woman Leaving Abusive Husband, Husband Works at Phone Company
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:47:01 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
X-Email-Accepted: yes

> Her husband works at the phone company.  He has access to
> unlisted numbers and billing records.  She's worried that
> if she gets phone service, he'll find her.
> If anyone knows any workarounds, please post them here.

1) Move into a place as a roommate.  Phone will be in roommate's name.

2) Have a friend start up her phone service.  She can still pay her
	friend's bills by check.  Husband won't find her unless he works
	in accounting.

3) Have someone shatter husbands knees and tattoo "Abuser" on his forehead.
	Oops, sorry, that might be cruel.

Back on the subject, I would suggest she never give out her number, just
call her friends on an irregular basis from pay phones or a mobile phone.
Otherwise the abusive husband could beat her number out of a friend (read
"It" by Stephen King), and the phone company can keep track of who calls
certain numbers, so the husband could trace back all the numbers that
called her friends' phones.

Good luck to you and your friend.



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From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: Stalking Behaviors
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:59:04 CST

Hi Everyone,

First I want to say thank you for all the responses I got
pertaining to my asking for help with the guy that has been
following me.  I have gotten over 60 responses, and every
single one of them told me to go to the police.  

So, this is what happened.  When I called the city police, the
officer I talked with practically laughed at me when I asked if
Wisconsin had an anti-stalking laws.  The only thing he could 
offer me was possibly a restraining evidence if I could "prove"
to this male cop that I was in danger.  I wasn't to happy about
this.

I then called the Campus Police and Security (they are full-fledged
police officers - our campus has over 50,000 students), and they
were really wonderful.  I spoke with a female officer and she was
understanding, and is going to talk to this guy tomorrow.  If this
doesn't help, which she believes it will, than I will go back and
request a restraining order and take further actions against him.
As for the unlawful entry, I haven't pushed that issue yet, and the
female officer was reluctant to take a copy of the report I wrote 
if I wasn't ready to get a restraining order or press charges.  So
I am holding on to that for now (I printed out what I posted here).

Thank you all for your support and advice, and if any of you are
from Wisconsin and have the opportunity to push for anti-stalker
laws, please do so - from what I've been hearing, this behavior
is all too common.

Thank you all again for helping me.  

Chris.  

I will let you know what happens.
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From: juang@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Juan Gascon)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:38:19 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA


	We do recover and some of us do computing too!  NA is strong
here "where it all began" and getting stronger every day. We just had
our 13th annual Convention at the Bonaventure Hotel in downtown L.A.
and it was wild.  I'm heavy into service work at the regional level 
here and Life is Great today.  I would like to know what fellow NA
members are doing in your Regions/Areas as far as Phonelines/ P.I.
is concerned.  Do you place adds in the Newspapers? Bulletin Board
flyers? etc.  Do you have an Answering Service?  Call forwarding?
Answering Machine?  Voice Processing?(We're working on that here)
Sure glad to know I'm not alone here in Cyberland either. 

Plese reply via e-mail and/or post.  I think the recovering Cyber-
world will be better off for it and thats what its all about.

Boy it's Good to be Clean Today!

Juan G.
From: suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Concept of God and Losing my Ground
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:49:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TRW, INC.

stellaa@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Stella Adams) writes:

>I feel that some people actually lose theirselves once in recovery.  A
>meeting every day is someting I know many people do.  They wrap their
>lives up in recovery so much, that reality is actually gone.  Isn't
>getting sober and learning to live life on lifes basis our goal.  Be a
>people among people?  Isn't it true that most people in recovery "AA"
>usually ONLY have friends that are also in recovery and would rather
>not deal with "NORMIES".  They don't feel comfortable with them, ie.
>insecure?

I hate to get involved in philosophical debates, partially because no
one ever changes their mind, and partially because I'm not adequately
equipped.  With that disclaimer, it seems to me that recovery is about
staying away from the substance(s) of abuse, and learning how to live in
the world comfortably.  That means that I will now have choices about
how I want to live, and I am allowed to choose one of the options.  Not
that I *must* live or not live any particular life style.  

For example:  I met my sponsor at work several years ago.  Steve took
the AA answering service on Monday night, he and his wife went to AlAnon
on Tues, AA meetings on Wed and Thur, and his babies bothering him off and
on during the weeking.  I observed this scene and asked, "Gee Steve, it
seems to me like your whole life is wrapped up with AA."  He replied,
"Yes, and that's the way I like it."

I know another fellow around the South Bay (CA) who has been sober 40
years or so.  He says that he maintains a 2 to 1 ratio of alkys to
normies.  That feels right to him.

Another friend, perhaps 6 years sober, is busy with work, church,
family, etc. and attends meetings infrequently.  His choice.

For some of us, loneliness was a problem, and meeting attendance and the
fellowship alleviate that condition.  Also, when you get used to being
around people who are honest, then the phonies that show up under the
normie label aren't nearly so satisfying to be around.

Yes, there are some people who seem to not progress very far from just
meeting attendance.  Or worse.  My sponsor told me that when he started
out there was a fellow there about 4 months sober.  After a while, he
had his hand back up as a newcomer again.  Steve talked to him and he
related, "The old timers here don't think I've got much of a program.
But when I was drinking I used to go to jail about 3 times a week.  Now
it's only about 3 times a year."

Whatever works......
-- 
Maurice Suhre
suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: hballar@eng.clemson.edu (henry ballard)
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous
Reply-To: hballar@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:30:15 GMT

 
Nicole Nemer writes

|Just wondering if this newsgroup has readers that are members of Narcotics  
|Anonymous.  NA has given me a new life, and I am searching this net for  
|fellow addicts.

Hello, yes there are recoverying addicts that use this net.  I have not taken 
the time to say much here, but I do enjoy taking a break every now in then to 
see whats up in this group.  Especially when I'm having a rough day, catching 
up with alt.recovery can put things back in perspective.  I've been clean all 
day today, and for that I am truely greatful!

Henry Ballard
_______________________________________________________________________
"We are often most in the dark when we are the most certain, and most
 enligthened when we are the most confused."                M. S. Peck
_______________________________________________________________________
From: nnemer@next3.cs.umr.edu (Nicole Nemer)
Subject: Narcotics Anonymous
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:08:36 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University


Just wondering if this newsgroup has readers that are members of Narcotics  
Anonymous.  NA has given me a new life, and I am searching this net for  
fellow addicts.
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:31:19 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1244.779.uupcb@factory.com> bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer) writes:

    [in response to what to do about violent drunks at AA meetings]
>
>The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
>quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
>outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
>and then call an ambulance.
>
>If your into institutional 12 stepping you may get to 12 step the
>person you put in the hospital. The hard part is knowing just how much
>ass kicking the person can take. You wanna bang em up just enough to
>be admitted, but no so much that he wont ever recover.
>
>I suggest the following:
>
>Break the nose, blacken an eye and add a few facial cuts and abrasians.
>Give em a few body shots that are sure to bruse. None of this damage
>is perminent but since the alcohol content is so high and there is
>obvious head trauma they will patch him up and admit for observation.
>He will go the whole route.

    If this is a joke, it's in extremely poor taste.  If it's not, you are
advocating felony assault.  In either case, you are one sick puppy.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: dlittlej@beach.csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn)
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180836.5319@umr.edu> nnemer@next3.cs.umr.edu (Nicole Nemer) writes:
>
>Just wondering if this newsgroup has readers that are members of Narcotics  
>Anonymous.  NA has given me a new life, and I am searching this net for  
>fellow addicts.
We're all addicts homey. Substance, nonsubstance, what substance, doesn't
matter. Welcome. Thing about NA is, usually people are less willing to
let go of the jailhouse attitude, and the junkie pride, as well as the
'look'. I prefer AA, but whatever works for what you want to achieve.
From: moy@acf3.NYU.EDU (Gloria J. Moy,N.DORM C3,(212)9983456,)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:12:00 GMT
Organization: New York University



	I live in New York City and attend meetings in New York City,
and never once has my group had to use force to remove a person. We
have had many occassions for having people removed from meetings, but
the way we do it is to call the police to escort the person out.

Just remember that the disruptive person at the meeting could have been
anyone of us.  There but for the grace of God, we all go.

Violence will never solve anything!
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: nnemer@next5.cs.umr.edu (Nicole Nemer)
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:31:04 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <1992Nov19.231756.11887@PacBell.COM> wrhogeb@srv.PacBell.COM  
(Bill Hogeboom) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.223316.8444@gumby.dsd.trw.com>  
suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov18.180836.5319@umr.edu> nnemer@next3.cs.umr.edu  
(Nicole Nemer) writes:
> >>
> >>Just wondering if this newsgroup has readers that are members of  
Narcotics  
> >>Anonymous.  NA has given me a new life, and I am searching this net  
for  
> >>fellow addicts.
> >
> >Nicole,
> >
> >I can't seem to send mail to you.  Please send me your address.
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Maurice Suhre
> >suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com
> 
> I had the same problem. Welcome to the group Nicole, hope you keep
> comming back!

My e-mail address is nnemer@cs.umr.edu.  Thanks for the response...
You know how I get...thinking I am unique...the only addict on this  
voyage...

Nicole
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: dlittlej@beach.csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn)
Subject: Addiction to meetings
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:11:09 GMT

I agree that we need to immerse ourselves in recovery for the first year
or two. As long as we dilligently work steps and get into service. Then
we need to move out into the real world, dump the us and them mentality,
learn empowerment over powelessness, and find Stage II recovery. We can
do the 'Real' 13th step, and go ahead with our lives, building self esteem
and having the courage to break our reliance on meetings, sponsors and 
all that. Then we can attend meetings for maintanance, social reasons, or
to be of service, instead of out of constant dependency and desparation.
Darren
From: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:58:23 GMT
Reply-To: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov19.154844.2011@redsun.pps.rain.com>, dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com (Diana Thompson) writes:
>bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer) writes:
>
>
>>The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
>>quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
>>outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
>>and then call an ambulance.
>
>>I suggest the following:
>
>>Break the nose, blacken an eye and add a few facial cuts and abrasians.
>                                          
>If this is serious, I sure am glad that I live in Oregon and not N.Y.  I
>may be naive, but I truly think that there are far better solutions than
>violence.               
>
>	-Diana


Diana - Please don't think that all of New York State is like New York City! 
The people up-state are really quite pleasant.  All we up-staters do is finance
New York City...we don't copy their behavior.  Silvia W.>
>-- 
>***********************************************************************
>Diana Thompson				     dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com
>Portland Public Schools				(usual disclaimer here)
>***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: dlittlej@beach.csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn)
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:15:36 GMT


A sick puppy indeed. And a reflection of us all.
From: wrhogeb@srv.PacBell.COM (Bill Hogeboom)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:17:56 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Nov19.223316.8444@gumby.dsd.trw.com> suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.180836.5319@umr.edu> nnemer@next3.cs.umr.edu (Nicole Nemer) writes:
>>
>>Just wondering if this newsgroup has readers that are members of Narcotics  
>>Anonymous.  NA has given me a new life, and I am searching this net for  
>>fellow addicts.
>
>Nicole,
>
>I can't seem to send mail to you.  Please send me your address.
>
>
>-- 
>Maurice Suhre
>suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com

I had the same problem. Welcome to the group Nicole, hope you keep
comming back!
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
From: dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com (Diana Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:48:44 GMT
Organization: Research and Evaluation Dept. Portland Public Schools, Portland Oregon.

bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer) writes:


>The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
>quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
>outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
>and then call an ambulance.

>I suggest the following:

>Break the nose, blacken an eye and add a few facial cuts and abrasians.
                                          
If this is serious, I sure am glad that I live in Oregon and not N.Y.  I
may be naive, but I truly think that there are far better solutions than
violence.               

	-Diana

-- 
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Diana Thompson				     dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com
Portland Public Schools				(usual disclaimer here)
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From: bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery
Subject: Violence at AA meetings
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer)
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis

JM>I have been to several AA meetings recently that have been disrupted by a ve
JM>violent drunk. He goads and threatens people until he gets thrown out. That
JM>if there is anybody who feels like they want to throw him out. He has hit
JM>people in the meetings and threatens to kill people. Attendances at meetings
JM>seem to be dropping off. Perhaps newcomers are being frightened away, possib
JM>for good. Our traditions state that our common welfare should come first. I
JM>personally frightened of this man, yet at the same time I like him and hope
JM>that he recovers. Does anybody have any experience of dealing with violence
JM>meetings that they would care to share? What can we do to protect ourselves
JM>that is consistent with the twelve traditions?

Jeremy,
     I do not know if the following method is consistant with
traditions. It does serve 2 purposes:

It brings the meeting back to order.
It gets the indavidual help.

The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
and then call an ambulance.

Here in N.Y most of these people are taken to a City (non-private)
hospitals. All these hospitals have detox and re-hab facilities, or
transfer policies to hospitals that do. The triage nurses here in N.Y.
are pretty familliar with this scenario. They give em some quick
patches in the E.R. then send them to Psych, after about 24-72 hours
they are refered to Detox.

If your into institutional 12 stepping you may get to 12 step the
person you put in the hospital. The hard part is knowing just how much
ass kicking the person can take. You wanna bang em up just enough to
be admitted, but no so much that he wont ever recover.

I suggest the following:

Break the nose, blacken an eye and add a few facial cuts and abrasians.
Give em a few body shots that are sure to bruse. None of this damage
is perminent but since the alcohol content is so high and there is
obvious head trauma they will patch him up and admit for observation.
He will go the whole route.
                                                          BAB
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . The penalty for bigamy is 2 mothers-in-law.
                                          
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Violence at AA meetings
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:58:37 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov19.214649.15194@informix.com> hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman) writes:
>In article <1244.779.uupcb@factory.com> bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer) writes:
>>
>>The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
>>quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
>>outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
>>and then call an ambulance.  [for referral to detox]
>
>Whew!  This is either tough love taken to an extreme, or it's
>insane.  I don't know which.  Rolling someone into recovery!  Well,
>I suppose it's better than leaving them to rot in the gutter.

    Not.  Beating the hell out of someone and then having them taken to
detox hardly constitutes bringing "someone into recovery".  If I were the
drunk victim of this assault, I'm quite sure I wouldn't go to any lengths
to get what my assaulters had.  I can think of no rational reason for
treating a victim of alcoholism in this manner.

>Live and let live I guess.

    Indeed.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Concept of God and Losing my Ground
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:00:03 GMT

stellaa@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Stella Adams) writes:

>I feel that some people actually lose theirselves once in recovery.  A
>meeting every day is someting I know many people do.  They wrap their
>lives up in recovery so much, that reality is actually gone.  Isn't
>getting sober and learning to live life on lifes basis our goal.  Be a
>people among people?  Isn't it true that most people in recovery "AA"
>usually ONLY have friends that are also in recovery and would rather
>not deal with "NORMIES".  They don't feel comfortable with them, ie.
>insecure?


Yes, a number of people do wrap themselves up in recovery.  But one of
the main things to remember is that everyone comes in from a unique
situation.  Soe no longer have jobs, family, friends, etc.  Some
haven't been in touch with 'reality' for quite some time.  One of the
advantages of sharing my experience (instead of my 'wisdom') is that
it will manly affect only those who find some common ground with my
story.

Another thing: some people wrap themselves up in the fellowship
instead of the program.  I know people who haven't had a drink in 10
to 20 years who've never worked the Steps (their statement, not my
guess.) ;-)  Some people go for years without quite grasping that
working the Steps is (1) possible, and (2) something they should get
moving on.  Sometimes it takes another 'bottom' to get them to look at
the Steps.

I don't have a lot of friends outside of AA partly because I'm
attracted to alcoholics and if I'm going to hang out with alkies, I'd
as soon they be sober ones.  'Normies' often don't approve of my
program since I didn't get sober through 'willpower' -- I relied on a
program, which isn't the American way.  They seem to have their own
insecurities.   ;-)

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
It is better to encounter one's existence in disgust than never
to encounter it at all.  - William Barrett
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