Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:36:15 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israel and the diaspora
 <1992Nov18.001809.9737@u.washington.edu>

In article <1992Nov18.001809.9737@u.washington.edu>,
nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) says:
>
>In article <92322.1712442893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>References:
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><92304.1853132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA><1992Nov2.143745.6279@cbnewsl.cb.att.co
>> <92312.0400382893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1e5c6iINNq11@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>
>>
>>
>>In article <1e5c6iINNq11@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il
>>(Hillel Applebaum) says:
>>>
>>>Many wrote - all deleted.
>>>
>>>The point is that while Zionism fights GALOT (diaspora), not all
>>>jews are Zionist. If a jew wishs to help the diaspora get bigger
>>>instad of Israel - then he isn't Zionist.
>>>Now, the question is: Must a jew be Zionist ? I say - YES.
>>>and if not so, and if you think not so, on what basis can we
>>>Zionist talk with you on this thing ?
>>>As a Zionist I'll tell you that I'll do my best to eliminate all
>>>GALOYUT by bringing them here (former USSR, Ethuopya (?) or the US)
>>
>>Whether they want to or not? So much for free will! this explains Israel's
>>arrogant, patronising and coercive attitude towards Russian Jews and many    r
>othe
>> Jewish communities in the diaspora. Especially the policy of trying to
>>eliminate the opportunity for Russian Jews to go anywhere but Israel
>>
>
>I would be grateful if you could provide some sources for your last
>statement. I left Russia not so long ago and I hardly felt any Israeli

Canadian Jewish News 2 or three years ago reporting on a speech by
Natan Sharansky in Montreal in which he criticised the Israeli government
and North American Zionists for encouraging the implementation and tightening
of US quotas on Russian Jews. Also the statements of various Russian Jews
earlier in this string.


>pressure let alone attempts "to eliminate the opportunity for Russian
>Jews to go anywhere but Israel". Russian authorities couldn't care less

Let's not forget "direct flights to Jerusalem" in the mid 80s, a tactic
designed to prevent Jews from flying to Vienna and declaring themselves
refugees so they could go to the US and elsewhere in the West. Also my
father's personal experience. Being persuaded to sign a piece of paper
by Israeli authorities being told only later that what he has done is
sign away his refugee status giving him no choice but to go to Israel
(my father couldn't read Hebrew and actually believed the Israeli official
who lied to him about the meaning of the document he signed)

>where I was going. As far as American immigration quotas are concerned I
>strongly doubt that Israel exercises any influence over them. The percentage
>of Jews among xSoviet emigres in the U.S. is steadily declining thus making
>it less likely than ever for Israel to press American administration for
>the changes in the U.S. immigration policies.
>
>Nobby
>nobby@u.washington.edu
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