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From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:45:38 GMT
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*)) writes:

> 
>   Riva Iron-grip, one of the sons of Cherek Bear-Shoulders, King of the
>   Alorns, married Beldaran, Polgara's sister and Belgarath's daughter.  This
>   effectively makes Riva Belgarath's son-in-law and Polgara's brother-in-law.
>   Belgarath and Polgara ARE related by blood to the line that can touch the O
>   Makes sense, doesn't it?
> 
>   Belgarath IS the Rivan King's (or Garion's) great-great-great...-great
>   -grandfather, and Garion is Polgara's great-great-great...-great-nephew.
>   Ce'Nedra is also Polgara's and Belgarath's great-great-...
> 
> 
>   Am I missing anything?


hm...I thought that since Riva Iron-Grip touched the Orb THAT was when a human
could touch the Prb and not die.  Belgarath was in the middle of becoming a
father and when he returned to the Vale, Belderan and Polgara had been born,
so they COULDN'T possibly be able to touch the Orb, because at the time, only
one human could touch it, and only AFTER Belderan and Riva had thier first
child, who was able to touch the Orb, it was THAT generation and those after,
but not before, who could touch it.  Am I right or no?



Cupcake

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli(Feist)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:54:17 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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> 
> Ye gads that is slow! But what is this "Losers" book - I don't read this group
> much so I haven't heard anything about this one...
> 
> Also, I know this probably isn't the best place to ask this, but I just saw an
> ad for the new R.E. Feist book "The King's Buccaneer" -  can anyone tell me 
> how long this has been out (in Oz?) and is it another "Rift-war" book (like I
> guess it would follow on from Prince of the Blood???) and is it any good?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris.
> 
Not that you don't know this by now, Chris, but The King's Buccaneers has 
been out in Australia for about a month.  It retails for $35, but you can get
it for $25 if you hunt around for it.  See, despite my utter loathing and 
distate for you, the chance to show you up is to strong.  Call it a character
flaw if you will.  If you dare.  Oh yeah, only true devotees may mention
a line from TISM, so prepare for divine retribution.  Idiot.
			Yours with an abundance of love,
				Rob.
p.s.  You're still running, yes?
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 22 Nov 1992 22:01:57 EST
From: The Judge <IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: touching the orb/sorcery

In a recent post, REA105@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:

>     Anyone that is without evil intentions may touch the orb.  Not just those
>that were of the Rivan line.  This is why those of the Rivan line had to touch
>the orb when they were babies. After growing up they would no longer be withou
>t any evil intentions.

But if that were true, then Garion would never have any evil intentions.
Ever. During his entire life.  Are you really prepared to say that he was a
"saint"?  What about the time he burned Asharak the Grolim?  Or any of the
times he got into a fight, and killed people with no compunctions?  I seem
to remember, "Garion demanded unthinkingly, 'What did you do that for? That
was _my_ Murgo!'"  (when someone else killed _his_ Murgo, poor Garion!)
Hardly a bastion of morality.  So far, the general consensus seems to be
that those who can now touch the Orb are:
a) those without evil intent; those innocent and pure (ie, Eriond)
b) those in the Rivan line (ie, Garion, Geran)
Before, those who could touch it were:
a) anyone.  Though people try and say, "Since Aldur touched it then, any
   god can touch it now," that's not so.  _Anyone_ could touch it then.
   Anyone, up to and including gods.  Since Torak used it, we have only
   seen one god touch it, and he was innocent, so he qualified under that
   rule, no need to invent a new one.
Does this simplify things?  I know, everyone's sick of these postings, but
this seemed necessary.
Thanks

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli(smart arses)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:30:53 GMT
 <9231601.20176@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1992Nov16.130208.13289@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> <1992Nov16.185942.28694@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
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> 
> >No, he means the other book, by Feist, you idiot.  sometimes Chris, I real
> >do think you are more stupid than that girl you go out with.  I suspect the
> >rest of the world is reading on with interest.  Well mail Chris, he's always
> >got an opinion.  Just like me.
> 
>  Gee...looked to me that he wanted to know what the Tamuli was.  I never saw
> a mention of Fiest ANYWHERE in the messages.  I don't know where you get off   
> calling people idiots for asking about works by David Eddings in the
> alt.fan.eddings newsgroup.  It seems that a few other posters seemed to think
> that he was talking about the Tamuli as well...not wrongly, seeing as how
> Fiest wasn't mentioned in the post, and the Tamuli was....
> 
> Read the messages you are flaming, before you actually flame away.
> Might keep you from looking like the idiot you think everyone else is.
> ( :-)  Smiley included for the humor impaired :-) ;-)
> ----
>That would be right, just another idiot on the net. Well friend, i don't
particularly give a fuck what you and your fag friends think.  I stated a
long held opinion about this person, and I'll say it how, and where i want.
So, get a life, find some real friends, and get your head out your arse,
idiot.  Love, me 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: fsjes3@ix.acf-lab.alaska.edu 
Subject: Re: The Lock
Keywords: Lock
Reply-To: fsjes3@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:52:36 GMT

In article <92318.110418EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>  
writes:
> Here is something that has bothered me since the first few chapters of Pawn of
> Prophecy:
>           Does anyone remember when Polgara was putting a young Garion to bed,
> he reached out his hand (the one with the mark on it) and touched Pol's white
> lock of hair....And it opened a 'window' of thoughts?
>           I've always wondered what this was.  Eddings seems to use this just
> to capture the reader's interest, but then seems to COMPLETELY  
forget about thi
> s.   Garion doesn't even ask about this later on.
> 
>  Any clues?
>         Eylon
> 
Hmmm, it seems to me that they discussed this later on. I think Pol talked to Garion about the lock. A mark runs in the family?? I don't remember, quite. It's been a long time...I would look it up, but my books are a couple thousand miles away :) Regardless, I would also say that it is something of a focus for Garion and simply a beacon for Pol. It was undoubtedly used as a gateway, or perhaps only to enhace the power of their connection when they connected minds...
 fsjes3@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
From: kstrong@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Captain Clueless)
Subject: Re: Myth Series Question
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:29:38 GMT

dagobert@infopls.chi.il.us (Amul Kumar) writes:
>As far as *I* know (and I've been out of the reading circuit since the 
>publication of Myth Inc. In Action), the series HAS been added to...

I think you might be thinking of "Myth-ing Persons" where we meet Vic
the vampire and find out what's behind the door to the other
dimension.  When I first saw "M.Y.T.H. Inc. Link", I was wondering
where I'd seen the twist on the word "missing".

I've looked for "Sweet Myth-tery of Life" in my local book stores and
haven't seen it.  I won't say that it's not out, since I've not yet
asked a worker at the stores if it's out or not.


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From: vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Re: Dragon Poker
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:41:47 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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On the Corps-a-corps question I will give everone a hint towards the answer Im
looking for. Its a card hand in Dragon Poker like the full belly, straight flush
and all the rest. Does that help? I know my original question was vauge, I 
thought it made sense though, guess I just have a memory for minuta. :)

-Luke
From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Re: Robert Asprin stuff....
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:51:23 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1e2nkmINN7as@lester.appstate.edu> GRS00021@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (APHiD) writes:

>Does Robert Asprin write from America? If he writes from England or something,
>like too many good authors do, his books probably wouldn't get released in
>the states until like a year after the English release.

As far as I know, Robert Asprin was (and I assume still is) living in
Ann Arbor, Michigan.  If you ever get up there, make sure you hit the
used book stores.  Almost all of them have a couple of Asprin's
manuscripts for sale.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dragon Poker
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:31:38 GMT

In article <By6o6G.GDv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts) writes:
>In article <1ejsbpINN2j5@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes...
>> 
>>Also does any has an idea what a corps-a-corps is?
>
>a corps is a large unit, sometimes of soldiers. A corpse is a dead body. so,
>a corps-a-corps is a lot of (un?)dead bodies.

Unwashed bodies?

A corps is a body.  In French.  Possibly other romance languages as well.
"Corps-a-corps" translates literally as "body-to-body", and as another poster
indicated, is used in fencing to denote opponents in close quarters.
Death is not directly implied.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
From: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Dragon Poker
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:38:14 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: ferret@paradox.engin.umich.edu


In article <1ejsbpINN2j5@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes:
> 
> Has anyone heard of, seen, or have a copy of some GOOD Dragon Poker rules?
> 
> Also does any has an idea what a corps-a-corps is?
> 

	Cant't help with the rules, but I do have an idea for you.  The term
"corps-a-corps" means "face-to-face" (as in _really_ up close and personal).  At least, that is the definition I learned when I took fencing.

	Ken Lipka
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Re: Robert Asprin stuff....
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants

In article <1e2nkmINN7as@lester.appstate.edu>, GRS00021@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (APHiD) writes:
>
>Does Robert Asprin write from America? If he writes from England or something,
>like too many good authors do, his books probably wouldn't get released in
>the states until like a year after the English release.

I do believe he lives in the US...

>[lots of useful, informative, but uncredited, info removed]

You going to mention how much of that you took from the Author's Note in
M.Y.T.H. Inc. Link?

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From: vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Dragon Poker
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:28:57 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: usa
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I know that this question has prtobably been asked many a time before, but
since I don't know the answear, Im asking it again. If you hate FAQ's junk this
now.





Ok, now that I've satisfied the complaints of FAQ haters :).

Has anyone heard of, seen, or have a copy of some GOOD Dragon Poker rules?

Also does any has an idea what a corps-a-corps is?

Please either post your answear here or email me.

If you have a set of rules please consider emailing me with about them before
actually sending them to me, my mail spooler has only a 250K limit on it.

Thanks

Luke Vaughn
vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu
From: mam1335@summa.tamu.edu (MONTGOMERY, MARK ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Dragon Poker
Date: 22 Nov 1992 00:53 CST
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Forget that...
POST THEM!
	--Aahz
From: GRS00021@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (APHiD)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Robert Asprin stuff....
Date: 14 Nov 1992 11:24:06 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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Does Robert Asprin write from America? If he writes from England or something,
like too many good authors do, his books probably wouldn't get released in
the states until like a year after the English release.

One book missing from the FAQ was _Cold_Cash_Wars_. Asprin began working
on the Myth series because writing the CCW was so depressing and it
made him paranoid. CCW is about financially based shoot-outs. Mercenaries
who have been fatally wounded would bury themselves so as to deny the
other side of a good body count. So Asprin needed something to relieve the
stress of writing the book. Since CCW is a sci-fi serious book, he decided
that a good way to releive stress would be to go the opposite way and
write a fantasy comedy. In addition, he wanted to make it atypical so
instead of having the standard swordslashing hero, he made the hero a
magic-user and decided that the most atypical teacher for a magic-user
would be a demon. So CCW, while not in any way part of the Myth series, is
part of the origins of the Myth series.

Also, another interesting fact is that the Myth series started using the
word "Myth" in the titles completely by accident. When Asprin called up
his editor with the title for the second book in the series, to be called
"Another Fine Mess", the editor turned to his wife to bounce the idea off
her then turned back to the phone and asked if Robert had said "Another
Fine Myth" or "Another Fine Mess". Robert decided he liked Myth better
but the press release had already gone out so they just pretended that
"Mess" in the release was a typo. I've probably got this fairly mixed up
and out-of-order but that's the story for the most part.

Then there was the comic book adaptation, "Myth Adventures". Phil Foglio
did the artwork for that series up through the adaptation of the first
book and made the comic definitely worth getting. After the first book,
they turned the art over to some guy named Valentino and the book over
to a different publisher. Originally it had been put out by Fantagraphics
but later by Apple Comics. After the change, the comic was crap.

Then there's the merchandising. At this point, I haven't heard of any
miniatures or anything like that. I do, however, have a board game
called "Myth Fortunes" with artwork by Foglio. I haven't played it yet
but, from the look of it, it doesn't look like it would be all that fun
to play and instead just make a neat thing to have.

I hope Asprin gets the next Myth book out soon. I'm dying to see if Skeeve
ever resolves his oh-so-complicated and slightly mythical love life.

And the Phule books are great too! :D
From: v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
Subject: Re: Dragon Poker
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:16:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1ejsbpINN2j5@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes...
> 
>Also does any has an idea what a corps-a-corps is?

a corps is a large unit, sometimes of soldiers. A corpse is a dead body. so,
a corps-a-corps is a lot of (un?)dead bodies.

> 
>Please either post your answear here or email me.
> 
>If you have a set of rules please consider emailing me with about them before
>actually sending them to me, my mail spooler has only a 250K limit on it.
> 
>Thanks
> 
>Luke Vaughn
>vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu

                       -Indra
Newsgroups: alt.fan.asprin
From: kstrong@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Captain Clueless)
Subject: Re: Robert Asprin stuff....
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:32:08 GMT

drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich) writes:
>As far as I know, Robert Asprin was (and I assume still is) living in
>Ann Arbor, Michigan.  If you ever get up there, make sure you hit the

Last I heard (which was about a year or 2 ago) he was definately
living in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  He had made some appearances at the
local mideival (sp) recreation group (SCA).  They were all
disenchanted with him.  He just didn't quite get it.  Oh well... he
can't be good at everything.  :)

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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: ATTN VOTERS AND Phil E.
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:22:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1ebgijINN9n8@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>IT APPEARS THAT THE SITE FOR VOTING FOR rec.arts.marching.*****
>IS NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT!
>
>Phil,
>	I got this message when trying to write to you and several other
>people have written me to say that their votes have bounced when sent
>to rmm-vote@blackcat.stortek.com.
>
>EVERYONE -----
>SO, if you haven't voted yet, please hold your vote until you see here that
>everything is back in order.

There is no problem with blackcat. Votes have arrived in the past hour
or two.

I do not know the source of the problem with people's sending their votes
to blackcat. But it's not a problem on the receiving end.

There's no reason why anyone should defer voting.

--phil
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: ROCK THE VOTE
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:02:18 GMT
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Dear Friends,

	The vote for rec.arts.marching.drumcorps and rec.arts.marching.misc
is rapidly coming to a close.  The voting officially ends on Wednesday,
Nov. 25 at noon MST.  

	Thank you to all who have voted already.  If you haven't voted yet, 
please vote today - every vote is important.  If you have any questions
about the vote, please send me email.  

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: State Street (was Re: Basin Street)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:14:59 EDT
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In article <01050023.ifo9i2@chinchilla.cars.com> (alt.colorguard), I wrote:
>Not to disparage his crontibutions, of course.  Before him, there
>was Mel something-or-other who was brought in to wipe out the mediocre
>assymetrical drill and turn Spirit into the 1980 Blue Devils.

I just remembered, he was Mel Startton.  His son toured with us that
year.  His name was Jesus :)

Niel

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