From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Degrees of racism (was Re: Caucasians don't understand)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:47:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23614
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
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In article <1992Sep2.001915.28684@news.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <23604@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj,  curmudgeon and clueless old white boy) writes:
>I am just stating FACTS !!! If the facts make you think that I am saying
>whites are evil then that's your problem. I will never say that because
>I don't beleive that.
You say it's a fact that there is no point in trying to educate whites.
That is straightforward.  You are saying, directly and unmistakably,
that whites are evil, incapable of learning, and that you have
given up on them, I suppose until you can push them off the
face of the planet.  Your "fact" is not only a lie, it's a racist
lie that leads directly to more racism and to race war.  

Is that what you want?

I'm starting to believe that.

>>You have a short memory.
>Maybe you can refresh it for me.
Why bother?  After, all, since you don't believe anything a white
says, and you are sure they are all evil sub-humans, you won't
believe me anyhow.

>>Pardon me?  How's asked you to take abuse?  I've asked you not to abuse
>>me.  That's different.  Every time you say "whites this, whites
You fail to respond to this essential point.  You have falsely
accused me of a reprehensible claim.  Why?

>>Tarring me,
>>and "all whites" for what some individual has done, will ONLY
>>CAUSE MORE HATRED.  THERE CAN BE NO OTHER OUTCOME.  Until you
>>stop doing that, I'm going to assume that's what you want.

>Racism is not only on an individual basis.
This is an outright, simple, obvious, and utterly reprehensible
lie.  Racism IN SOCIETY is the result of the actions of individuals,
society without any individuals can do nothing whatsoever and in fact
does not even exist.

>When I walk into a classroom the white students aren't thinking
>that I am just as qualified as they are. Instead they are thinking that
>I am taking the space of a more qualified white person becuase of
>affirmative action.
Precisely, THOSE individuals (each and every one you insult by
telling me what they assume without your factually knowing it,
showing again your forthright anti-white racism) may have
this idea.  This idea, despite anything society may have done,  
is their responsibility AS INDIVIDUALS.  Address their
racism as THEIR racism.  That's the only way you can ever
make a positive difference.

Racism is ONLY the actions of individuals, because society is ONLY
the aggregate of the individuals that it comprises. 

If you want to change society, rather than disrupt it, you MUST,
you are OBLIGATED, you CAN ONLY SUCCEED by changing the individual. 
That is your only course of action. It is your only hope.   When you deny
that racist individuals are individually responsible for their
racism, you explicitly deny any possible resolution, now, or
ever, and you directly encourage hatred and war, because those
individuals you have dismissed will feel no hope of your
ever treating THEM as humans. 

You've now just made enemies of all, sympathetic, ignorant, and racist
alike.  You have just created the worst possible situation.

>When I was stopped by the cops in LA, they stopped
>me and my friends becuase we were blacks in a white area after dark.
Well, golly, gee, that's happened to me in New Providence
because I had a black research scientist who'd lived in the area
for 20 years in the car.  What's that prove?  Yes, a lot of cops
are racist, sexist, and lots of other things, so ACT AGAINST
(i.e. charge THEM with racism) those individuals who demonstrate
that they act on their racism.  

When you hold me, as you do, responsible for their actions, you deliberately,
I think, out of a desire for sheer vengence, put me in a hopeless position,
as I can no more change their attitudes than you can, and I cannot even
legally claim an interest. (I.e. I can't file charges against those
LA cops as I have no interest in the situation, legally speaking.)

>The point is that no one looked at me as an individual but I represented
>whatever they thought about Afams.
No one? Never, ever?  I think, sir, that you are simply paranoid.
Some people, I'm sure. Most, if you live in some places, but
not all. 

Given that you've already told us what I think before
I enter the room, with your statement that brand all whites
as sub-human, you cannot possibly expect me to believe that
you have any idea what I think.

>     In regards to "tarring" you.....and "all" whites that is not the point.
>I am just telling it how it is. I know that "ALL" whites aren't racists but
>I would appreciate whites realizing that not "ALL" blacks are thieves, 
>gang members, intellectually inferior nor great athelets.
I realize it, but you outright that I don't. That's why "all" is the point,
and "tarring" me is the point.  You treat whites as sub-human oppressors
who you feel will never do any better, and in that, you ensure your
own private hell, forever.

Jackson, why do you post here?  Like Clare has pointed out, whites
don't count here, Chinese don't count here, so why do you think
blacks count? Of course, if Clare is honest, she'll have to ignore
your existance like she claims to ignore all others who don't
fit her idea of what is racially correct.
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