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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: How tall will your child be?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:37:54 GMT

In article <3224@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>Hey, parents/potential parents.
>
>Some time ago, I came across a formula which is supposed to tell you the
>ultimate height of your child.  It's supposed to come within a couple of
>inches.

As I recall, the highly scientific (smile) method told to me was that
a child would be half her adult height on her second birthday.  Or was
it third?
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From: steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Looking for vacation suggestions in CA with 18MO
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:43:31 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: ca
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

The vacations I remember taking with my parents (other coast, but it
doesn't matter much) were mostly extended car trips -- we'd drive to
someplace, get a room, go to the local sightseeing attraction, spend
the night, maybe another night or two if there were lots to see and
do, then move on.  I suspect a kid might get bored with day hikes if
the scenery wasn't different from day to day.  I'd suggest picking a
place where you can do something different every day.  The gold
country comes to mind.  Hit the railroad museum in Sacramento on your
way.  You might also check out the Mendocino area -- beaches, Fort
Ross, etc.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Organization: Sylvan Associates
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Date: 26 Jan 93 01:06:06

In article <1k10s1INNf3l@borg.cs.unc.edu> navon@cs.unc.edu (Jaime Navon) writes:

   We are using the same strategy with our daughter Maayan (25 months). 
   We have succesfully completed the first 2 steps so  she is using
   pacifier only in bed.  However it seems that the last step 
   will be the most difficult (she won't go to bed without her
   pacifier).  I would apretiate any hints/comments/suggestions/experiences on
   how to do the final step in a painless way.  Thanks.

Let her be. At least my friend's two children all quit using their
pacifiers in bed by the time they were around 4 (if not sooner) all on
their own. They weren't permitted to use it anywhere but on their bed
from age 2.5 or something like that, but if they felt the urge, they
were always welcome to take a break and sit and suck on their bed.

If you take it away now (my daughter weaned from regular breastfeeding
at age 2.5) and she still has the urge to suckle, she'll use her
thumb! That's what my daughter does, although I will say her use of
her thumb has decreased over the past year.

The worldwide average for weaning from breastfeeding for children is
4.2 YEARS. It is natural for a human child to use sucking as a
comfort.

Good luck!
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish


From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:45:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Montessori Schools
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>Well, maybe its a matter of perspective, but I would say that
>Montissori programs are *very structured*.  Sure the child has
>some say over *which* activity, but as far as I can tell, the
>child has very little say over *how* that activity is performed.
>For example, a child must learn to use the counting sticks, and
>I've never seen them used in any but the approved way.  Some 
>Montissori programs have essentially no unstructured play time.
>And, the children are generally pretty strongly encouraged
>to do *all* of the designated activities.

While this is obviously your experience, the experience my daughter has 
had in Montessori schools is largely a counter-example.  

My daughter has been in 2 different Montessori schools.  In each of them,
she had unstructured playground time.  In each, there was no pressure
at all to do specific activities.  It WAS true in my experience that kids 
who wanted to do Montessori activities were shown how they work by a teacher
and that there was a specific method for doing these; but these activities
were not pushed on the kids.  The specific Montessori activities are just 
among the many activities from which to choose.  I asked the teacher on
a few occasions about the method for presenting Montessori activities.
Often, this will be done in one-on-one time with the teacher, and is a
way for the teacher to present an age appropriate activity.  The teacher
can suggest a Montessori activity to a kid, demonstrate it, and see if 
the kid takes interest.  A lot of times, they do like the Montessori 
activity.  But if they don't, it's no big deal. If the kids prefer, there 
is no shortage of completely unstructured activities such as blocks, 
legos etc.  I would say as Emily gets older, she does fewer of the
Montessori activities and often is more inclined to choose activities that 
can be shared with another child.  Her teachers have no problems with this.

I do agree that Montessori method is not for every child.  But I also
want to make the point that every Montessori school may be different.  
The only way to find out what goes on there and its appropriateness for 
your child is to visit the school and talk with the students and teachers.

Jane Marcus 
jane@apollo.hp.com
From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Driving long distance with 2-3 month old baby.
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:30:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

has anybody tried driving 300 miles or so (may be with breaks every 100 miles)
with 2-3 month old baby ?

is it better to avoid it ? 

any advice/suggestions welcome.

BTW we will be breast feeding our baby boy.

Aniruddha Kortikar (Dad to Rutvij .. now 2 month and a day old!)



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:08:09 GMT

In article <C18Eq5.1CH@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> brett@sr.hp.com () writes:
>Nancy M. Schnepp (ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu) wrote:
>> I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
>> of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  
>
>I realize this may sound a bit cold, but is there anything wrong with giving
>them what everyone else is having and if they don't want it they go hungry?

What is "wrong" with it is that it sets up a power struggle over food.  It is
the dictates of an authoritarian parent telling his child "eat this or go
hungry".  Reminds me of the Beast in "Beauty and the Beast".  

You are probably an authoritarian parent and that is your perogative.  But 
most of the parents on this net tend more "democratic" parenting than 
"authoritarian" parenting and this is just one example of the differences of
approach.

What is wrong with letting them eat spaghettios or macaroni and cheese and
fixing yourself something more to your tastes at the same time?  It isn't
like their prefered dishes take a lot of time to cook.  In fact, you could
fix your dinner for yourself and just heat the kids dinners in the background.

>Hunger can be a good motivator to eat.  Besides, I doubt any kid in modern
>developed country is going to suffer any physical harm from missing a
>few dinners (and a kid in a famine area isn't going to be fussy about what
>he/she gets to eat).
>

Yes, I know a lot of adults who just eat whatever is set in front of them and
are happy to be fed.  I've also noticed that none of these adults are cooks
or enjoy cooking.  My guess is that there are a bunch of people with numb
taste buds who eat what anyone will cook.  And then there are a bunch of us
who are very finicky eaters and learn to cook and LOVE to cook because we can
delight our taste buds with delicious mixtures of herbs and spices and a 
wide variety of culinary delights.

So, it sounds like your children aren't fussy eaters, they're boring eaters.
Let them be boring and enjoy yourself.  (Plus, there's nothing that will
interest a child in a food more than not having any because "you won't like
it").


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:05:40 GMT

In article <C1813F.8vE@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>
>I think this is really getting ridiculous, but will add that I've
>heard (don't know if its true) that uncircumcized males are not 
>as interested in fellatio as circumcized males, since they don't 
>require the extra stimulation.

That wasn't true in the case of my ex-husband!!  But sexual stimulation
might not be the only reason some people enjoy (or need?) certain types of
sexual activity.  There could be a myriad of other reasons only they
know.  But this wavers slightly from the topic of circumcision.

On that note, when my son was born I left the circumcision choice entirely
up to my husband (knowing he'd also respect my opinion).  I don't have a
penis; he does.  I think he was the best one to make that choice for our
son.  Interestingly enough, he chose circumcision - even though he himself
is not.

I know that not all couples feel that the father should make that decision,
and sometimes the father isn't around to have a voice in the matter - but
I did what I felt was right.  I wasn't sure I could make the best choice about
a body part I'm not equipped with.

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and then you can answer it."        Dan Quayle to Al Gore, 10-13-92
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Thank you all + resource request
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:34:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.154838.8691@ttinews.tti.com>
reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <3161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>>She's heard about these full-body pillows, and thinks that will help her
>>get comfy at night, but can't seem to find one.  Someone told her about a
>>place called "Fortune's Almanac", but they aren't accepting orders for the
>>next several months.
>>
>>Anybody have any experience with these?  Are they worth it, or just hype?
>
(First reply deleted, Sorry Reid)
 
I used a very fluffy king size pillow, some places sell ones that have more
filling than others. It was great!  I didn't like the body pillow idea, because
it looked too big, like it would be hard to move out of the way in the end of
pregnancy when getting out of bed in the middle of the night, those umpteen
times.  Could be wrong, though, as I didn't get one.  Also, I figured I could
get a lot more future use out of a king size pillow than a body pillow.
 
But again, I could be wrong.
 
Ellie Blackwell
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: "I love Mommy ONLY" problem w/ 3 yo
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:56:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.154954.2006@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>I have a near 3 year old daughter who has been throwing FITS (and I do mean
>FITS) when I take her to child care or when I attempt to put her to bed or
>drive the car, or do anything with her when her mom is available to do the same
>task. This is becoming a problem because my wife ends up putting her to bed,
>taking her to daycare, AND picking her up, etc.
>
>What we did this morning was let her have her fit, my wife left for work, and I
>waited her fit out. She then got in the car by herself and everything was fine.
>Last night we took her mom to school, she had a fit because she was leaving. I
>waited the fit out, then she got back into her car seat and we spent the
>evening together having fun. But geez, there must be something I can do to
>change this behaviour.
>
>Anyway, is this behaviour typical? Does it last long? Anyone have suggestions
>on how to handle this? Am I doing the right thing by waiting the fit out? (I
>dont think I have any other recourse) Any help would be appreciated.
>
	Yes, it is typical. At least my kids have gone through various stages 
of this, most recently my 6 yr old. I think what you're doing is the right thing
do you best to ignore it and assure her that both mom and dad must do thingsfor 
her at different times. Be firm.

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robson@braindamaged.cis.udel.edu (Janice Robson)
Subject: Re: name beginning with M
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:24:06 GMT

In article <9301221733.AA03645@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>in article: <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com> Alice Bertelson
>> wrote: 
>>IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID
>>but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M
>>that we BOTH like!!

How about: Morgan

My husband and I have yet to agree on a name for our
1st baby due around May 3rd.  I happen to like Morgan for
either a boy or girl, but I can't convince him!

Good Luck!
Janice Robson


From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:43:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids


I have direct experience with part-time work.  Here is my situation:

  - I stayed home with the baby for 7 months, then I started negotiating
    going back to work.  I actually started work at 9 months.

  - I am a software engineer by training, working in technical education
    by choice.

  - At first, I worked 50%.  Now, after 5 years, I am up to 75%.

Here are some things I learned from my experience.

  - Part-time jobs ARE out there.  (At least they were 5 years ago.  Maybe
    the recession has temporarily changed this, but I bet not permantly.)

  - Consider possible jobs for SW engineers.  Some may be more open to
    part-time work.  You might consider technical education (teaching others
    how to program), learning products (documenting the SW), quality assurance,
    or other more service-oriented jobs.  I would contrast these with
    development jobs, where you are actually responsible for creating the
    company's products.  But I would consider any job as possible.

  - Be sure what YOU want.  I went to my interviews with a definite plan as
    to what would be acceptable to me.  I made this clear up-front (although
    I was not aggressive about it).  I set outer bounds, but was willing to
    negotiate within these.  It helped that I did not HAVE to go to work.
    Don't go in and ask timidly what they would be willing to offer.  Go in
    with the idea that you have something good to give them and only have
    half time in which to give it.

  - Be prepared to look at more companies than you might expect.  Jobs are
    there, but they are not as common.

  - Be willing to consider more temporary assignments, if you cannot find a
    long-term part-time job.

Actually, I ended up going to work within another group in my old company.
The people there knew me (and some had worked with me before).  This made it
easier.  However, I also got an offer from another major company in the area.
That other company was not as comfortable with part-time (they had never tried
it), but were willing to give it a try for 6-months.  I like to feel that if
they had seen my work for 6 months, they would have been happy to keep me.
Getting your foot in the door is a major part of the job.

I wish you luck!!!

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Song Lyrics Requested
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:37:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <lm8dnmINN9lf@news.bbn.com> llovero@testament.bbn.com. (Linda Lovero) writes:
>
>There are a few songs that I'd like to sing to my daughter, Amy, but
>I don't know the words.  I went to the library, but they have more
>music history books.  I'm sure of the exact titles, but here are the
>songs:
>
>Aimee (sp?) by Pure Prairie League 
>("Aimee, whatcha gonna do? I think I'm in love with you, for awhile,
>maybe longer, yes I do....")
>If you could send the lyrics to my email address I'd appreciate it
>because this group generates too much mail for me to keep caught up.

Well the email bounced, so here goes, from Pure Prairie League's
Bustin' Out (available on CD I might add):

              AIMEE

I can see why you think you belong to me
I never tried to make you think
or let you see one thing for yourself
Now you're off with someone else and I'm alone
I can never see what's right and what is wrong

Don't take too long to see

Aimee, what'choo gonna do
I think I could stay with you
For awhile maybe longer if I do.

Now it's time for what you want, you've had your way
And all the things you thought weren't proper
Could be something something
Can't you see
That's why we should turn(?) together or alone
I can never see what's right and what is wrong

Don't take too long

Aimee, etc.

I think there is one more verse.
Not bad, from memory.  I don't believe the album has the words with it
or I'd know what the "something something" is supposed to be.  And now
I'll be humming this tune all day.
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Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:00:18 -0500 
From: Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Stick is _NOT_ Blue!
	<93015.121639ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>

> [story deleted for brevity]
>Now, the question.  Have ANY of you had experience with a false negative
>home test, only to have a true negative blood test?  The woman I spoke with
>told me that my insurance would only pay for a pregnancy *blood* test (as if
>that would scare me off at this point, although I hate needles!).And, can
>you tell me how many days after your period you obtained a true positive?
>E-mail if you can, and THANKS in advance!  :-)  :-)

Yes Karen!
In fact, I had 4 false negatives (2 home, 2 lab) urine tests with my
first pregnancy.  That was a real inconvenience.  Unfortunately, at the
time (8 years ago)--I was a smoker--and so I kept right on smoking up
until it was "medically" confirmed I was pregnant--I know, that was
crazy.  I had been feeling completely lousy for about 4 weeks---my
period was REAL late (maybe 26 days!)--anyway, the lab was right next
door to  a Subway Shop (sandwich/hoagie place)--right before the test, I
had a tuna hoagie, a diet coke and a cigarette--well, one prick of that
needle and not only did they draw blood out of me---they drew my lunch
out of me---and yes, I was pregnant but we all knew that!   This time
(my daughter is 18 months)--I just went straight for the blood
test--without the hoagie.  Good Luck.  Judi
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Toddler biting and AIDS transmission
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:22:52 GMT
Summary: AIDS

In article <1993Jan26.152031.2566@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> My 17 month old was bitten by another toddler in her day-care class.
> This boy has bitten at least one other child I know of. (Both bites drew blood)
> The day care providers are contemplating requesting AIDS testing on the
> biter if the bitten's parents request it. Does  anyone have any experience
> with similar situations. Initially I didn't think it necessary, but
> I really don't know the family of this little boy. 

There is no known case of AIDS being transmitted via saliva,
so the bitten children really don't have to worry about getting AIDS.
Hoever, if the biter is drawing blood, the biter may have to worry
about catching AIDS from teh bitten children.

To be fair, have all the children tested.

Actually, I'm being sarcastic.  If the day care providers are
considering AIDS testing on the child, it implies that they
consider this child a problem and are looking for excuses.
(Though being a "biter" is considered excuse enough for 
expulsion from many day cares)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
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From: jsmith@unixg.ubc.ca (JR Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Trip to remote island with 8 month old, what would you take along?
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:56:06 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1993Jan27.152007.14276@crd.ge.com> millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller) writes:


>	We're going to a resort on a remote island off of Hondouras next
>month.  I want to try to bring medicines for most possible situations since
>I won't be able to run out to the store.  So far I've got:

>1) baby tylenol
>2) baby cough medicine
>3) baby oragel
>4) baby poison treatment stuff (I foret the name - syrup of something)
>5) baby diaper rash treatment
>6) disposable diapers
>7) baby food & cereal
>8) clothing
>9) baby suntan lotion
>10) baby thermometer
>11) baby soap and shampoo
>12) toys


>	Anything obvious that I'm missing?

You might want to take some Gastrolyte (tm) or other such powder that can
be reconstituted with water to form a solution that can be used for 
rehydration in case of severe diarrhea. These are basically just salt/sugar
combinations in physiologic amounts. The advice re: water is also a good one
especially for your youngster. If it is a remote place you might consider leaving anything you don't use at the local hospital or aid station. Depending on the
exact location and situation some sort of mosquito netting might be a worth-
while inexpensive investment. Have a good trip.  JR

From: juliar@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Julia Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:11:16 GMT
Subject: Re: baby powder
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I find it helps get rubber boots on over shoes if the boots are powdered
with talcum powder first.  I have heard that it helps at the beach to
powder a sandy kid, then the sand will come off easier.

Julia