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From: smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher)
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song Part 5
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:33:35 GMT

In article <visser.718593649@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:


	   The real question is what exactly is the "crime" committed by
   x-force?  Their apperanace in x-factor a while back as I remember says
   ...
	   The only crime that they could be held accountable for is either
   resisting arrest or accessories to cable's murder of Tom Cassidy.
   If you charge them as accessories to cable's murder of Tom Cassidy,
   I suppose you could find lots of things to charge other characters
   (like wolverine) with.
I seem to remember just a couple other minor infractions of theirs, such
as resisting arrest, grand theft S.H.I.E.L.D. transport, etc.  More than
enough to keep them in custody.

	   And of course in the same issue, Bishop and Wolverine are sent to
   attack what was as far as I know  a part of the canadian government.
   But thats all right isnt it....no crime there,
Let's see..."I needed backup, and what we're doin' is a violation o'
international law.  Way I see it, you already got a record in the
States...whereas the rest o' the X-Men got a reputation to uphold." -
Wolverine, _The Uncanny X-Men_ #295, page 21 panel 2.  Looks to me like
they have fully acknowledged that the attack is illegal, and they are
setting it up so that the X-Men can deny any knowledge of what Wolvie
and Bishop were up to.



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From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:03:53 GMT

In article <81203@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry
Geurink) wrote: 
> 	Uh, Kev.  You've got yourself some great ideas here, but there
> are problems.  You don't honestly believe Marvel would 
   [A and B cut, 'cos I know they won't do that stuff - but I still wish
       that they would]
> 	C)  Actually tie up every single dangling plotline from here to
> 		the mid-70's, including Wolverine,...
> Do You?

     Well, as far as X-book danglers go , Alan Davis over in Excalibur
seems
like he has a copy of our dangler list - he's almost working down the list
in order.
	    And as for MU-in-general danglers, I direct you to Quasar and
She-Hulk,
now featuring, between the two of them, the cast of US1, Rocket Raccoon, 
the asparagus people Phoenix torched before X-Men #137 and the Black Fleet
from the Questprobe comics.
    Quasar is of course bought to us by Mark Gruenwald, the guy who
invented
Scourge to clean up half of Marvel's lame useless villains and said about
the
rest, in a Captain America lettercol:  "I see no need to invent a new
lame-o
villain when there's plenty of old ones out there just waiting to be
brought
back."

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From: r3cjs@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Chris J Sorg)
Subject: Please repost the Claremont Files
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:08:44 GMT

	Could someone mail me the Claremont Files....I missed them when they 
were posted. Either that or a repost would do.

Thanks in advance,
	Christopher J.

r3cjs@vax1.cc.uakron.edu

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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: FAQ (was:RE:Apocalypse)
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:05:20 GMT
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In <rlcarr.066z@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com writes:

> (1) Who/what is Apocalypse?
> (2) What are his powers?
> (3) Was he born a mutant (how long ago?) or was he created?
> (4) Where does he get the alien technology he uses?
> 
> -- 
> Rich Carreiro                                  Home: (401)841-8514
> rlcarr@animato.network23.com
> uunet.uu.net!animato!rlcarr

We *definitely* need a FAQ.

Sorry for not answering your question, but I haven't got the time/energy
or any comics with me. All I can say right now is that you can forget about
an answer to (3) and the answers to (1,2,4) are going to be somewhat vague, to
say the least.

	                    - Mika
From: msubu@warwick.ac.uk (Xolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Canonical X-Factor Dangling: Magik's sword
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:44:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Magik's sword - used in Excalibur 37/38/39 in 'The Promethium Exchange',
Dr Doom misled Kitty into using the sword to help him open a portal to
Otherworld, from which he planned to use everlastinf power from the
promethium to rule the world... surprise surprise ;-)
I forget what happened to the sword - Darkhoth _may_ have it...
                     =Xolf=
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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Subject: Re: Sinister
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:28:51 GMT

In article <67354@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com wrote:
> 
> There was chicken soup in the container.  
> 
> Just like in the Mr. Freeze episode of the animated Batman, "Heart of Ice."
> 
> PAD

So what you're saying is that the stuff in the container is the instrument
of destruction for the bad guy(s), right?

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: bd112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig H. Rettig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: WHAT R CALLISTO'S POWERS
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:07:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


They're basically the same as Wolvie's, enhanced senses and a
lower-level healing factor.  We'll see if she comes back after
the collapse of the Morlock tunnels and say, "I got better."

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Is that your noggin', or are you just glad to see me?"
          --The Heckler  THE HECKLER #1
Craig H. Rettig -- University of Cincinnati -- GWAR in '92
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Subject: Re: Uncanny #295
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:57:17 EDT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <8epSHRm00iV0Q4ssQe@andrew.cmu.edu>, mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J.
Keating) says:
>
>What is the deal with the way they are handling Apocalypse?  I'm tired
>of the way writers just keep adding on more and more to a character. (Be
>it powers, weaknesses, whatever.)  I just would like some continuity.
>Has anyone ever heard of these safehouses before?  I might just be
>forgetful...

The place where he operated out of in his first appearance way back when in
X-Factor might have been one of these safehouses.  Also, where he and his
Four Horsemen first operated out of.  I wonder if the Apocalypse that led the
Four Horsemen, changed Angel into Archangel was the real thing, or just
Sinister.

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From: pendy@ais.org (Paul Hohn)
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:15:31 GMT


Okay, in response to the musings about Rogue's absorbing powers being the
only element keeping the Ms. Marvel powers within her, it *could* be thought
of along those lines, if the earlier Rogue apps. weren't consulted.
Accorrding to Unc.XMen #158, when Rogue encountered Ms.Marvel in Frisco,
they fought for too long, had too much physical contact, and (to quote the
box in the mag) "Rogue's transfer became permanent." Established in a later
X-Men, it was indeed prolonged flesh-to-flesh contact which caused the
permanent transfer. After this transfer, the powers became a part of Rogue,
as well as a mirror-image of Carol Danvers' psyche, as especially noted
around #236 or so. As for why Rogue no longer suffers from any MPD, I can't
explain... must be something Magneto did.
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: FAQ:  Liefeld
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:28:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw8Gyx.JMM
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In an attempt to atone for my misplaced pronounciation guide a few weeks
back, let's offer this tidbit of info since his name comes up so often here
on dear ol' r.a.c.x.:

It's Rob Liefeld, not Liefield. Those of you who are enjoying the works of
Rob Liefield are, actually, reading subversive works by the Slipper People,
who are trying to summon up the Laughter that Cannot Climb Stairs by
implanting thought-memes in a critical level of the population. This is a
dangerous pastime, and should be noted as such.

And now, having posted this, I'm sure I'll suddenly remember that I typed
the "i" and the "e" in the wrong order... sigh...
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:44:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct12.050710.5094@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell) writes:
>Ok, here is the latest theory about Cable's family ties....
>
>^L
>In the future, after Cable has done with mucking about with the present,
>he has a sex-change operation and falls in love with.... SILVER SURFER.
>They have a child ... SILVER SURFER + CABLE = SILVER SABLE! Bwah hah!
>



I know this was a joke, but it did remind me of something....
When CAble was first introduced, he said that he had a son missing (same
time that Rictor said something about his father...whom we still know
nothing about....)

Where does Cable's son fit into this?  Maybe Stryfe/Cable is Jean and Scott's
kid and Sinister is cable's kid changed by Apocalypse....very unlikely, but
I won't be surprised if those writers do something like this...maybe not
now since I said it public...and they always change  the story when their
ideas are no longer "secret".

I think that is the solution to our problems!  If we write down all the
dumbest senerios, marvel won't use them since we thought of them first!
they would be forced to write a decent story (wishful thinking)


Patrick
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Fave Male Characters
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:01:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81553
Reply-To: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: nova@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

Seeing as how we've had a contest for favorite female characters, I thought it
was only fair to turn it about and have a contest for favorite male characters.
So here it is!  E-Mail me your favorite male comic characters, (yes I will take
multiple votes) and I will tally up the votes in about a week.  Enjoy!

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"Why are you mumbling?"
"Because I've grown fangs and if I open my mouth too wide, you'll see them."
		--SM 2099
______________________________________________________________________________

P.S. Any info on the rumored X-Men 2099 will be greatly appreciated!!!
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 9 Oct 1992 02:54:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <92213@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes:
>I think the kenetic energy is redirected to making the dupe...he has tto have some energy source.  now there should be a limit of how much kenetic energy
>he can absorb...at some point, there should be a blow that would not only
>make a dupe, but also cause him (both of them?) pain.
>
>Since he doesn't really feel the empact of the blow himself, he isn't hurt.
>He is still subject to the momentum of the object that is hurled at him.
>Cannonball would make another Jamie, but both Jamies would be knocked off his
>feet (would another set of Jamies be created when they land on the ground?
>most likely yes).  When "pure" kenetic energy, like gambit's cards would not
>cause him to fall down, but just multiply.

I remember back in X-factor when they had jamie fighting his dupe, they
just pounded on each other, making more and more duplicates until they
maxed out, and then finally duplicates started getting knocked out.  I
think at the end of the fight, all the bodies were counted and came out
to about 100.  So Jamie has a max of 50 or so.
   I think whether or not an impact hurts Jamie or not is if he is
consciously thinking about forming a duplicate.  I dont think there is
a set amount of kinetic energy needed to form a duplicate.  I've seen him
make duplicates by snapping his fingers or tapping himself on the head.  If
that's all it takes to make a duplicate, then when Cannonball hits him, there
should be way more than the 6 or 7 dupes that were made. 
   Synopsis?  If you can sneak up on him, you could probably take him out
quick and easy, otherwise bring an army :)

Coffee
-- 
Welcome to the punchline .sig
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   "So he takes his bowling ball and throws it in the sink!"
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From: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Subject: Missing Persons (Was: Re:Amanda Sefton)
Reply-To: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.162758.3220@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>> Incidentally, where is Amanda now?
>
>It was never explained.  I for one was kind of hoping she'd join
>X-Factor or Excalibur, but NOOOOOO.  For all we know, she could have
>died in the explosion.
>  What ever happened to the Warpies?  Same thing.
>
>                                            -Drizzt

Warpies? Who are they?
Anyway, I agree about Amanda Sefton- she's an underused character, who just
floats in and out whenever it's convenient for the plot.  Like Stevie Hunte
(who appeared out of nowhere in, I think X-Men #1), then X-Men #14).

The X-Books really should devote a few issues to finding these minor
characters.

Hating loose ends...

--Josh



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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:18:02 GMT
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In <92596@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu writes:

> In article <1992Oct12.050710.5094@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell) writes:
> >Ok, here is the latest theory about Cable's family ties....
> >
> >^L
> >In the future, after Cable has done with mucking about with the present,
> >he has a sex-change operation and falls in love with.... SILVER SURFER.
> >They have a child ... SILVER SURFER + CABLE = SILVER SABLE! Bwah hah!
> >
> 
> 
> 
> I know this was a joke, but it did remind me of something....
> When CAble was first introduced, he said that he had a son missing (same
> time that Rictor said something about his father...whom we still know
> nothing about....)
> 
> Where does Cable's son fit into this?  Maybe Stryfe/Cable is Jean and Scott's
> kid and Sinister is cable's kid changed by Apocalypse....very unlikely, but
> I won't be surprised if those writers do something like this...maybe not
> now since I said it public...and they always change  the story when their
> ideas are no longer "secret".
> 
> I think that is the solution to our problems!  If we write down all the
> dumbest senerios, marvel won't use them since we thought of them first!
> they would be forced to write a decent story (wishful thinking)
> 
> 
> Patrick

Oookay. Cable does *NOT* have a son. He was talking about whassisface...the new
weapon X. Now I remember - Kane! We were shown in X-Force #?? that he and Kane
were really close (killing people,bringing down legal goverments etc. together)
and Cable said that he was *like* a son to him. Apparently Kane's feelings
for "daddy" have cooled down somewhat (I WILL BRING HIM DOWN EVEN IF I HAVE TO 
KILL HIM!). Cable on the other hand seems to still care for him, as seen in
cable mini #1 (misquote:"All I'd like to do with him is have a few beers, tell
some rude jokes..."(and some other male bonding rituals)) 

Hope this helps in killing this thread. (Kane is Wolverine's and Sabretooth's
son,NO! He's the son of Suicide Squid and Death! Actually he's...)

             			- Mika

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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: X-Judas/PAD ?'s
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:02:35 GMT

>Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Me, I'm lobbying to have a bit in Spider-Man 2099 during issue #6-7, when
>>Spider-Man goes "Downtown"...an underworld section of New York that is
>>seedy, run down, and similar to NY of today.  And I wanted to have a 
>>sign stuck on a wall in the background with the words "THE MUTANT TRAITOR--
>>MAY YOU ROT IN HELL" above and below, and a picture in the middle--and the
>>picture is obscured by graffiti.  

I think we got our first conformation that the 2099 timeline is the same
one as Bishop's.  I wonder if we're going to see much of the XES in it?
(Bishop, I believe, was an XES cop.  I'm not sure what XES stands for,
though.)

//Karthik
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Dampening Rogue's mutant power
Keywords: Oh, JOY!
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:58:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>						The "in-Universe" idea that
>I always thought worked best was to assume that genetic supression of this
>sort would cause biochemical damage to the mutant in question over the long
>term (special cases like going through a mystical plot device like the
>Siege Perilous are not applicable to this case). Therefore, when the bad
>guys have the X-folke chained up against the wall again, with those bulky
>power-stopping handcuffs, they're never in their long enough to cause any
>long-term damage. Give Rogue a tight bracelet or torc, though, to control
>her power, and maybe after a month or so she starts suffering some form of
>cellular deterioration, because the technological "fix" is interfering with
>the way her body is supposed to "be."

>No, it ain't canon, but it's always worked for me. How about you all?

I think that would be an *excellent* explanation!!!
Now if only we could get someone to write it into one of the Xbooks...

(PAD? Are you listening....)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: BISHOP BETRAYS X-MEN
Reply-To: oyakea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:57:45 GMT


 Give me one reason why Gambit would not tell Bishop
who the witness was. Wouldn't it be stupid if someone 
told you you were going to kill someone, who's dead
by the time your born ?? Well such is the fate of Bishop.
He may "kill" the x-men but not of his own free will.
my thoughts -let it grow on you.
peace.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:33:29 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Lockjaw Scott and Jean's daughter?

Hey, with all the speculation, why overlook the least obvious choices.

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From: smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher)
Subject: Re: Magik of the New Mutants (Was Re: post)
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Oct4.020054.5279@abo.fi> <7!fpxbn@lynx.unm.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:31:41 GMT

	Agreed.  Further, I think it'll involve that group that just
appeared in the Soviet Super-Soldiers special (but I'm not taking the
bet).
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-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil  | presidential candidates.
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue (Re: Lebeau (Gambit))
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:32:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Oct7.200816.7392@iscsvax.uni.edu> boehmer9694@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>    while we're on the subject of powers, when's that last
>>    time anyone saw rogue use her absorbing powers?!
>
>A good question.
>I don't seem to recall her using her powers since absorbing Colossus while
>fighting Master Mold/Nimrod before getting sucked through the siege
>perlious(sp?). What's going on here? Just a lapse in the writer's use of them,

Actually, Rogue _has_ used her absorbing powers at least once since going
through Siege Perilous.  It was in issue #275 of Uncanny X-Men.  Rogue, Ka-Zar,
and Magneto were in the Savage Land trying to stop Zaladane from taking over
and destroying the world.  If you'll remember, Rogue's powers were temporarily
suppressed due to the re-integration of her biomatrix with that of Ms.
Marvel's.  By the time Mags finally destroyed Zaladane (with the help of Rogue
and Nick Fury), Rogue had regained full use of her powers.  She used her mutant
absorbing power on Worm so she could control his victims and get them out of 
Zaladane's self-destructing fortress.

Hope this helps.

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"Why are you mumbling?"
"Because I've grown fangs, and if I open my mouth too wide you'll see them."
		--SM 2099
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA