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From: HDNC000 <HDNC@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Seeks BBS in MONTREAL!!!
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:36:15 GMT

Hello from Montreal!
I am a new PC owner and am WIlD about getting into BBS'S.
Could anyone PLEASE send me any info (lists, ect) on BBS
services offered in Montreal, CANADA?  Your advice would also be
greatly appreciated!
E-Mail @HDNC.MUSICB.MCGILL.CD

I remain....
                BLACKJAC


           Vote YES on October 26!

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From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:05:55 CDT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:

> Ok since you obviously are helpless...... start with the maps I'll even help 
> then call some schools nearby; they will either be willing to to or they will
> give you the name of some that will.
> 
> Anyway, the maps I hope you can make a phone call..........

[...abridged map file deleted...]

> Notice that one of these guys even has two systems. I am sure that one of the
> be willing to help out and if not then one will certainly tell you where they
> get there feed from and you can call that person.

I doubt any of these home systems are getting a full usenet feed.  

> Give me a break, don't expect the computer to do all of your thinking for you

Give me a break, don't expect such an inane posting to pass for useful
information.  

--
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From: tan_k@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: BBS in Japan : English ones ??
Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:22:05 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: tan_k@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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Can anyone help wiht Any BBS addresses running in english in Japan ? Many thanks
From: HDNC@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (HDNC)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: <none>
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:49:46 GMT
Organization: McGill University

BBS information needed!

I desparately need a list of bbs services in the Montreal
area.  New PC owner is looking forward to getting into the
sceane.

Advice, addresses, and phone numbers would be greatly appreciated!
Also, if anyone is looking for an E-mail pal, drop me a line;
my interests include hockey, music, and and gambling!

E-Mail HDNC@MUSICB.McGill.CA


Thanx, till nex time, I remain............................


            B L A C K J A C


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From: jgreco@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Greco)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:21:51 GMT
Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In alt.bbs.ads article <R96sRB2w165w@willard.UUCP>, dawson@willard.UUCP wrote:
:bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
:It does not cost me anywhere near "hundreds of $$ per month" to run such a
:site as the one you describe, yet I am able to feed several sites.  Sure, my
:hardware cost me thousands of dollars, though it is not necessary to make
:that large an investment in order to provide feeds.

I calculated my costs to be very little (under $5/month) if I dialed the
system, and basically nil if the system calls me.  This of course does not
take into account equipment costs.

However, since I run a free service out of pocket, and I'm a poor college
student, I'll take whatever people will give me!  :-)  I don't "charge" for
a feed, but if people have the common sense to see that I have expenses and
to donate a little, it makes it possible to offer a little more.

... Joe

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:00:04 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>>
>>Unbelievable

>Better tell UUNET! :-)

Yeah, and while he's at it he should ask UUNET to provide a feed for
$100 per year and see how far he gets with them :-)

-- 
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Public Access UNIX/USENET/E-MAIL!  UUCP Accounts Available!  (508) 655-3848
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:34:23 GMT

max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray) writes:
>What? If you get a free feed it does not cost hundereds of $$ per month, and
>it seems only fair to pass along the favor. You don't need thousands of
>dollars of hardware. You could run a site for under a thousand easy, and
>most computer hackers would pay this for a machine anyway. My point is that
>one can participate directly in the uucp net (getting, and giving newsfeeds)
>without paying any more than the usual computer hobbyist, and not be
>well-to-do. It sounds like you are trying to justify your own your own
>dollar-centric-thinking.

No, I'm not trying to justify anything, just explaining to this person
that it costs money to run a system.  Period.  Even if the feed is free,
it still costs money for electricity, phone lines, etc.  Hardware does
wear out, and a single 300mb disk (barely enough for a full feed) still
costs nearly $1000.  Sure, people can (and do) run usenet nodes on smaller
systems, but you get what you pay for.  If you want access to a system
with multiple lines and a decent level of resources, it is costing someone
some money.

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From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 18:53:59 GMT

In article <Bv61Jw.17E@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.045232.14876@jack.sns.com> steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.215846.18021@unixland.natick.ma.us> bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
>>>
>>>                      Unixland Public Access Unix and  BBS
>
>Better tell UUNET! :-)
>

I agree but if you look closely at theor contracts they are charging for the
right to connect and the connect time only. There is a VERY fine difference
in the semantics of the original statement the gentleman made and what UUNEt
claims.

I do not agree with either though!

The point being made is that there are a number of other alternatives these days.
Ten years ago that was not the case. Today I think that anyone who really
wants to read the news can find someone that will feed it to them for nothing.
As long as people agree to pay there will be a market. Remember one
of the first rules of capitalism DEMAND=SUPPLY.

-- 
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45034 Imnaha Court		Voice:	(510)623-8651
Fremont, CA   94539-6669	Data:	(510)623-8652
Systems'n'Software            	FAX:	(510)623-8656 
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From: newman@netcom.com (Charles E Newman)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:50:41 GMT

> In article <1992Sep25.045232.14876@jack.sns.com> steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
> >>
> >>                      Unixland Public Access Unix and  BBS
> >>
> >>How Much Does it Cost to Use Unixland?
> >>
> >>   Several different types of accounts are available as follows:
> >>
> >>   Basic BBS Access with limited access to newsgroups.  FREE 
> >>   Unix SHELL Access..................................  $70/year ($40/6 mos)
> >>                                                        or $10/month trial.
> >>   BBS (Menu-Driven) 30 minutes/day, 360K downloads...  $35/year
> >>   BBS (Menu-Driven) 60 minutes/day, 1500K downloads..  $65/year
> >>   UUCP Connections...................................  $10/month or
> >>                                                        $50/6-months or
> >
> >I still can't believe people charge for news feeds....
> >
> >And worse yet there are people out there that don't seem to know any better
> >and they pay the fees!
> >
> >Unbelievable


     Hey, it is not cheap to have a system on the usenet. I am on the usenet
and get some OUTRAEGEOUS phone bills, so therefore, operators have to charge
to keep from going broke. I have chosen not to charge for usenet feeds to
my home system right now, but would probably do it in the future.

:w!
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:57:23 GMT

steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:

>I still can't believe people charge for news feeds....
>And worse yet there are people out there that don't seem to know any better
>and they pay the fees!

Give me a break!  It costs real money to run a system to provide feeds!  
Would you rather that I not run the service and not make the feeds available
to anyone at all?  Do you really think I make money at $100 per year for a 
feed?


-- 
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Public Access UNIX/USENET/E-MAIL!  UUCP Accounts Available!  (508) 655-3848
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From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:58:03 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <qRmRRB2w165w@angus.mi.org>, dragon@angus.mi.org (John Lussmyer) writes:
> decided to spend time(==money) looking for such.  Many people get on 
> usenet only via paying $$$ because they a) don't know of a free site and 
> can't find one until they are on usenet. (catch 22) b) don't feel good 

John,

That's not quite true.  You get what you pay for.  With a [reputable]
commercial site you have a guarantee of a particular level of service
and longevity.  I require that in my business since being connected is
how I manage my clients.  I refuse to be at the mercy of someone who
might be gone "tomorrow" when they get bored of running the BBS.
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From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:21:32 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:

> The full cost of a full, 35MByte/day feed might be $1000/year,

Or it might be ALOT less if you know what you are doing...

>     -about $200 of disk for the 100MB spool
>     -about $500 of modem
>     -part of a computer costing between $2500 and $250,000.

Many people already have machines with 100MB+ hard drives, v.32 modems,
etc. You could easily handle a full newsfeed on a computer that costs
$1000 at todays prices.

>     -about 50% of a $600/year phone line

$600/year for a phone line? I pay about $15/month for a phone line.

>     -$30-70/hour labor

Whose labour? Your own? If you are not doing it because you enjoy it,
maybe you should do something else?

> and you must replace the computer, modem and disk every 18 months with
> newer, bigger, faster.

Nice, but not nessessary.

                                          -= Max =-
...!uunet!underg!max
...!cactus.org!underg!max
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Subject: Maryland BBS
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:52:10 GMT

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From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:25:19 GMT

In article <B0ssRB1w165w@underg.UUCP> max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray) writes:
>bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
>
>> There are also some smaller sites run from people's homes where they provide
>> free feeds.  I can only surmise that these sites are run by people who are
>> pretty well-to-do so they can afford to spend the hundreds of $$ per month
>> that it costs to run such a site, pay for thousands of dollards of hardware,
>> etc, etc.
>
>What? If you get a free feed it does not cost hundereds of $$ per month, and
>it seems only fair to pass along the favor. You don't need thousands of
>dollars of hardware. You could run a site for under a thousand easy, and
>most computer hackers would pay this for a machine anyway. My point is that
>one can participate directly in the uucp net (getting, and giving newsfeeds)
>without paying any more than the usual computer hobbyist, and not be
>well-to-do. It sounds like you are trying to justify your own your own
>dollar-centric-thinking.
>
>                                          -= Max =-


Thank you Max!!!
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45034 Imnaha Court		Voice:	(510)623-8651
Fremont, CA   94539-6669	Data:	(510)623-8652
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:02:02 GMT

In article <B0ssRB1w165w@underg.UUCP>, max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray) writes:
> bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
> 
> > There are also some smaller sites run from people's homes where they provide
> > free feeds.  I can only surmise that these sites are run by people who are
> > pretty well-to-do so they can afford to spend the hundreds of $$ per month
> > that it costs to run such a site, pay for thousands of dollards of hardware,
> > etc, etc.
> 
> What? If you get a free feed it does not cost hundereds of $$ per month, and
> it seems only fair to pass along the favor. You don't need thousands of
> dollars of hardware ....


Back in the golden days, sites would offer others free feeds on the
rationale that only by doing for others (giving them free feeds) would
others do the same for you (give you a free feed).  That no one
imagined anyone would pay real money for the drivel was beside the
point; remember the perpetual arguments about hiding the phone costs
from the accountants?  That was back when the hardware (often a VAX)
cost real money.  Just the maintenance on a 750 was non-trivial.
1200 bit/sec modems were not cheap.

Yes, there was inhp4 (was that how it was spelled?  I've forgotten),
but most news was exchanged by individual "altruistic" systems around
the country.

On the other hand, you guys are talking about offering free feeds to
amateurs who rarely pass it on.  Hobbiests with PC's are more likely to
cause spool files to overflow, to change phone numbers without warning,
to require nagging before submitting a map entry or getting a domain,
to repeatedly ask naive questions and not understand the answers, and
generally take much more time and not give much back.  I'm not speaking
academically about the joys of helping out the little guy.  In these
days of NNTP, much of our modem time is spent talking to pure leaf
sites.

The full cost of a full, 35MByte/day feed might be $1000/year,
    -about $200 of disk for the 100MB spool
    -about $500 of modem
    -part of a computer costing between $2500 and $250,000.
    -about 50% of a $600/year phone line
    -$30-70/hour labor
and you must replace the computer, modem and disk every 18 months with
newer, bigger, faster.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:44:56 GMT

In article <R96sRB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>That is what prompts me to be so generous with my CPU and other resources.
>To each his own.
>
	Ditto...it seemed kinda useless to start up my own machine,
but the only user was me.  That is what prompted me to open it
up to whoever wished...and it has grown from there.

Marc
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,biz.comp.services
Subject: Re: Public Access USENET/EMAIL/UNIX
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:55:14 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

> In article <ak7sRB3w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
> >
> >> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>Unbelievable
> >> 
> >> >Better tell UUNET! :-)
> >> 
> >> Yeah, and while he's at it he should ask UUNET to provide a feed for
> >> $100 per year and see how far he gets with them :-)
> >
> >As competition with other carriers comes into play, that may indeed become
> >realistic in the not-so-distant future.
> 
> How long have you been on the net Mr. Dawson? :-)

Long enough.  :-) yourself.

> In a word -- Balderdash.  UUNET has been doing this since I've been on the 
> net, which is at least 6 years (although I think they were just starting 
> back then).  They're doing quite well with it too.  Why aren't they out of 
> business with all those free feed sites around?

It's not the FREE feeds to which I was referring when I made mention of
"other carriers."  It was the other PAY services, more of which appear
with each passing minute.  Competition is, in general, good for the
consumer.  Why should it be otherwise here?

So, while the $100 per year may seem ludicrous, UUNET may soon find itself
competing with commercial providers who will be able to offer Usenet at
just such a price.  That might indeed drive them out of business... but
that's their worry, not mine.

[ ... long, and TOTALLY missing the point of MY post, discussion of
     free vs. pay feeds ... ]

> 
> --
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