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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Walker keeps rolling...
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:44:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


	Yo!  Eagles fans.  I haven't been able to see Herschel in the regular
season games, only in the pre-season (bleh.).  How does he look 'cuz I really
want him to do well.

	I read his stats in the Monday papers and see that he's had back to back
100+ games with a 4+ yds. per carry average.

	Sounds good to me, but how is he attacking the opponents defenses?  Does
he seem confident?  Does he make consistent gains every time he touches the ball
or is it like -5 yds caught in the backfield, +10 yds. breaks some tackles, etc.

	Oh, and has he fumbled a lot?  I remember the Minnesota/Eagles Monday
Night game when Herschel got "demoted" to fielding punts that night after he kept
fumbling.  And I hear he fumbled during the Saints game on a scoring drive.

	Nonetheless, Herschel's mere presence in the backfield has opened up
whole new dimensions in the Eagles' offense.  I think Barnett's 193 yds. vs.
Pheonix had a lot to do with the fact that Herschel forced more single-coverage
on the wide receivers.  I didn't see the game, so I'm not sure, but that's what
I've heard.

	Can you imagine what the opposing defensive coordinators must go through
when trying to plan for the Eagles?  They must have nightmares in the middle of
the night!  (Ditto for the offensive coordinators.)
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: players w/ big stats: are they for real?
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:33:56 GMT

From article <1992Sep10.215742.21018@macc.wisc.edu>, by heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	):
> In article <92254.161654MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
> 
>>The following players posted big numbers for week one.  But the players in my
>>FFL are skeptical about their future potential.  Can anyone in the know comment
>>on whether these stats were flukes or are these players for real?
>> 
>>1) Workman
> 
> I wouldn't day Workman had big numbers - 25 attempts for 89 yards - 3.6 
> yard/carry.  Big numbers for him maybe.  Mostly it was on trap plays 
> and mostly in the 1st half.  Workman is an okay runner.  You can 
> expect 89 yards once in a while.  Now if he had gotten 100+ maybe then 
> there'd be some question.

Perhaps you didn't see that he had 12 catches in that game.  Some FFL
leagues count receptions, and believe me, 12 receptions in one game will
not happen that often.  If Workman continues to be used as a receiver
out of the backfield, and your league counts receptions, he will do
well.  In my league, he would be worth having as possibly a 3rd back,
but most likely as someone who can come off your bench for Bye weeks and
injuries.

> 
>>4) Allen, T.
> 
> Allen had 96 of his 140 yards on 2 plays.  In both cases the Packers 
> RILB, a rookie named Mark D'Onofrio, was caught out of position.  I 
> don't know where the SS was on these plays, I'll have to review my 
> tape.  On the other hand, Allen *was* able to take advantage of these 
> mistakes.  It's just that you don't generally see a runner break 
> through the line and have 20 yards of open field in front of him.
> 
> Without those 2 runs he would have been 10/44 (4.4 average) - still 
> pretty good.
> 
> JGH
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:16:08 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Sep11.102933@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep11.042147.224@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>>>If you want to taunt me, fine.  But then it tells me that you can't
>>>>beat me on your skills alone and need another way to try to win.  
>>>>
>>>Now where do you obtain this type of logic?  Unless in be unknown
>>>to you, there are folks out there that can play very good in a particular
>>>sport and still taunt and beat an opponent.  Taunting is by no means an
>>>indication that the player doing the taunting does not possess the skills
>>>to out perform another player.  Does it?
>
>Taunting doesn't indicate skill.  But it either indicates(to me),
>lack of skill or that person is an asshole.  I'm giving you the
>benefit of the doubt that you're not an asshole;-).  Good players
>let their play show for itself(thus, being showing sportsmanship
>[notice there is a penalty for 'unsportsman like conduct']).
>
Your analysis implies all assholes are taunters or lack skill. 
Car 54 where are you?  Look around.  There are plenty of assholes
out there who have never played sports and are not taunters.  They
could be unskilled or skilled and still be assholes or non-assholes.
What is your definition of an asshole and how does it equate to
being an taunter.  There are plenty of taunters who are not assholes.
Would you have considered Ali an asshole because he taunted his
opponents.  Are non-taunters not assholes.  Come on, get REAL. :-)
>>>
>>Now back to your last statement.  Now you know and I know that the
>>baseball assilant was in the wrong and should never be tolerated.
>>Therefore, NO, that is not part of the game.  You knew that!
>
>True, but you state that taunting is done to diminish a player's
>capability.  By that logic, anything should be done to diminish
>a player's capability(yes, it is an extreme viewpoint).  If that's
>what you're wanting, go play "Rollerball"(if you've seen the movie, 
>you'll know what I mean).
>--
Scott, your logic makes no sense to a logical person (myself). Through
your own admission, it is an extreme viewpoint to say the least.  Again,
let's be REAL.  It is the smog or what you smoke that is imparing your
login or lack of it. :-)


-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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From: vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:40:00 GMT

In <1992Sep10.140553.5880@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>In article <vamplew.716108281@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>>
>>I don't see this as an argument for instant reply. Consider this situation.
>>I'm a receiver with the same contract, I have 14 TDs etc. Late in the last 
>>game of the season I shed my cover and run wide open in the end-zone where
>>the qb overthrows me by six feet. We win the game but the blown throw costs
>>me $50,000!!
>>
>>Would you suggest that we have an Instant Rethrow rule so that I can get
>>another shot at making my bonus? I hope not. 
>>
>Talking about asinine logic!  Your are stretching it beyond
>ludicrous in YOUR comparsion.  Your's has no merit.  The other
>poster's logic made more sense and has some merit.  Please, get
>real.  No one is going to have a Rethrow, unless there was a
>penalty!

Let me try again. I'm not seriously suggesting a Rethrow rule (I've got
to remember to start including smilies when I'm being sarcastic). I'm
not saying that IR is good or bad or anything. What I'm trying to say is
that the argument about bad decisions affecting players wages isn't IMHO
a reasonable justification for IR.

Say I'm a running back with incentive clauses for the yardage I gain. A bad
spot of the ball might mean that I just fail to reach the yardage I need
to get my bonus. So should IR be applied every time the ball is spotted?
(Note: sarcasm again).

There are plenty of good reasons for having IR, just as their are plenty of
good reasons for not having it. The impact on players pay-checks is not
one of them. (Semi-serious-stupid idea for the day - if the coach wants to
complain about a decision such as a disallowed TD after the game, then the
team should have to back him up by recognising it as a TD from the point of
view of the player's incentive clauses) 

Second S-S-S idea for the day: Anyone who complains about the standard of
NFL officiating should be made to sit through an average AFL Aussie Rules
game. You'll see more bad calls in that than in an entire NFL season.

>>Peter Vamplew - IS Fanatic :-)
                  ^^^^^^^^^^
Oh well, at least we agree on one thing :-)

Peter Vamplew - Still fanatic after all these years!

--
Peter Vamplew     Dept of Computer Science, Uni of Tasmania
"The second hand moves very quickly, the minute hand moves
 a bit more slowly, and the hour hand moves not much at all"
- results of a time and motion study by Reg the Slayer
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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: success of colleges in producing pro players?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:36:28 GMT



I'm sure there is probably already has this information or has the time to  
figure it out...

which colleges have the most former players on current pro rosters?  i'm sure  
there some obvious teams that would be near the top; Notre Dame and Miami being  
the first teams that come to mind.  i think it would be interesting to see who  
has the most and also what successful teams have the least. i can't think of  
any of the ones with the least off the top of my head but in college basketball  
it amazes me that there is only one significant NBA player (Isiah Thomas - the  
only i can think of, period!) that attended Indiana University. Yet IU seems to  
be near the top of the ratings every year.  Are their any football programs  
with this same kind of success?  
i would also like to see any trends of schools dominating one position in the  
NFL. some examples of this would be Oklahoma State RB's and Alabama LB's. 

anybody out there willing to post this kind of info ??????
thanks....

Scott E. States
  
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     Would someone plaase post the odds for week 2.
     Thanks in advance
  
     Dan

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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Jay Schroeder???
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:29:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.162449.21268@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>So, is Jay a relative of Al Davis's?  I mean, why the hell has he put up
>with that crap for so long?  Is Todd Marinovich going to be the superstar
>that Al hopes, or will the Raiders be QB-less for years to come?
>--
>
>Brian E. Saunders                       saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Davis wants a Super Bowl victory NOW!!! He doesn't want to wait the
two or three years it would take in order for Marinovich to develop
the experience necessary for taking a team to the Super Bowl,and
winning it.  And who knows, Todd may never be able to develop that
talent. All we can do is speculate right now.
Most of the big name talent the Raiders have is getting old.  Most
of them are nearing the end of their careers.  Time is definitely
not on Al's side!  He sticks with Schredor (sp?) because he has
experience. He may suck, but he has experience.

                                                  Tony
                                               GO 49ERS!!!
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FINAL - Niners vs Bills
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:25:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: kadsma.1992Sep15.192552.524
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar

In article <1992Sep14.153526.11364@clpd.kodak.com> hammond@sys6.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516)) writes:
>
>Anyway, being a fan who was around for the 2-14 seasons, I will simply
>enjoy the fact that they are winning, no matter how they do it.  And no 
>gloating, 2-14 may not be far away again.
>
>

Right. Look at the Giants, a team that won the Superbowl only 2 years ago,
and now is battling for last place with the Cardinals...



Don Pajerek
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: The Battle Of The Titans!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:29:13 GMT


First let me congratulate the both teams for playing an outstanding
game!!!  Both teams were deserving of the victory.  Way to go
Buffalo and San Francisco!!  This could be the battle of the century
if these two teams make it to the Super Bowl!

I'm still in awe of that awesome offensive display from both teams!


                                                  Tony
                                               GO 49ERS!!!
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:38:37 GMT


Well, If I had to rank em, I'd rank them this way:

RB:
1. Barry Sanders 
2. Thurman Thomas
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Neal Anderson
5. Rodney Hampton

WR:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Micheal Irvin
3. Ernest Givins
4. Sterling Sharpe
5. Gary Clark

QB:
1. Jim Kelly
2. Warren Moon
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Dan Marino
5. Mark Rypien

Mark 
GO VIKINGS!


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From: ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills)
Subject: Re: Neal Anderson
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:54:33 GMT

Richard Scott (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: You have got to  be kidding!  Play Lewis instead of a star like
: Anderson?  What a load of rubbish.  Now -- let's see.  Neal had such a
: horrible game : 52 yrds rushing and 32 yards receiving?

It was a rotten game for him.  He should be dumped.

: I shudder at the thought of the Bears without Neal.  Anderson has been
: the heart and soul of their offense for 5 years and now you are dumping
: on him?  What is your problem!

No problem, he just doesn't like the Bares as much as you do.  I tend to agree
with you though, the Bares would be even duller without him.

: Go Bears!
: 
: -- 
: Eric Clapton is God!

Possibly.

: Mike Singletary, Walter Payton and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity

Definitely Not!

: ______________________________________________________________________ 
: Richard Scott (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)
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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.130553.1290@oz.plymouth.edu>, s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean) writes...
>As far as I am saw Alexander Wright had one fuck of a game, and was a
>major factor in Dallas' O dominating ( Line aside ).  That catch he
>made going out of bounds has increadable, and it surprised me they
>didn't say incomplete.
> 
>shaun
>

It's a crying shame that Alvin Harper made such a great catch, and then
someone refers to him as Alexander "Little Hands Of Stone" Wright.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Tale of two Steve's...
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:02:38 GMT

Some points to consider in the Young/Bono controversy:

 - Young is clearly the better athlete of the two, and probably the better QB
   (certainly more proven than Bono).

 - Since Bono has wisely chosen to mimick Montana's style of play, he obviously
   fits in to their current offense easier.  The supporting offensive cast has
   to make little to no adjustments from the Montana-driven offense, making 
   their jobs easier.

 - One half season of success does not a great career make (The "Flash in the
   Pan" theory revisted).  There is no guarantee that Bono can duplicate his
   performance over a long period of time.

 - Over time, the Niner's offense would adjust to Young's Style of play.  These
   arguements about Young not staying in the pocket making him a liability are
   ridiculous.  A QB that can scramble like Young is an asset, not a liablility.
   So what if he makes a first down running instead of passing - you still have
   a first down, and next time the defense will have to devote more attention
   to the possiblity of him running, which would open up more opportunities for
   a pass play.

I for one am glad that the Young trade didn't go through.  If Joe doesn't come
back, IMHO the Niners have a better chance for success with Young at the helm.
If he goes down (like in the opener against the Giants) then Bono is quite
capable of coming in and doing the job.  It's almost as good a combo as the
Montana/Young combo of the '80's.  Even after taking the hit he took in the
Giants game, he still came back and drove the Niners down the field for the
score, culminated by a TD PASS to Rathman.

BTW, Joe could still come back and lead the Niners to glory again...he's had
career ending injuries before. :)  Either way, should be a great season.

Chris S.

P.S.  For the sure to follow rebuttals/comments, if they demand an immediate
      response from yours truly, please email me a copy of the post.  For some
      reason, my news site gets articles about a week old on the average...
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Subject: Re: Where are the Chiefs fans???
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:06:20 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


I hate to woof up a team, that I like.  I haven't been impressed
with KC's offense this year.  Run blocking needs lots of work.
The passing game seems to be much better.  And Krieg has been
throwing deep, something that has been missing.

KC is sold out in all but the NEPatriot games.
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Colts cut Herrmann !!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.131131.8469@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> awhitton@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.125445.19280@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep8.124614.27344@europa.asd.contel.com> brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
>|> >Anyone know why ????
>|> >
>|> >Brian Lichorowic
>|> 
>|> Probably age.  I predicted it on the way home from the game.
>|> 
>|> Ed
>
>Maybe I'm missing something here, but when a QB wins the team's first home
>opener in 9 years, you don't usually fire him for it :-) 
>
>Cheers,
>Alan Whitton

I believe that the decision to let Mark go was made a couple of weeks ago.
Tupa is about 6 years younger than Mark and could be #2 as Trudeau ages
(he is 30).  Mark is a great human being, but just an average QB at best.
He played Sunday because he knows the system better than Tupa.  However,
with the activation of Trudeau on Monday, somebody had to go.  Mark will
still receive half of his $450,000 salary (and that's a heck of a lot
more than I am going to receive this season).

Ed

-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: The "NEW" Giants
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:57:23 GMT

Go GIANTS! (Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU) wrote:
> So Giants fans (if any are out there...)
> 
> Do you think the second half of the game was the "all new improved GIANTS"
> that we were waiting for.

No. when Dallas beat New York at Giants stadium, we are not seeing the
"all new Improved GIANTS"

> in Hawaii earlier this year.  Phil is NOT mobil either, then again, with a 
> youger QB on your ass, you'd be moving better too...
> 
> I dont think HOSS is the man of the future for the Giants.  There was 0 
> leadership in him when he took over the job last year.  We WERE LED BY 
> DEFENSE, remember.  He does not have the charisma or talent to give the 
> leadership so desperately needed by the uninspired team.
>

Well, HOSS had a chance last year, its Simms turn now..

 
> 
> GO GIANTS (I want to see them play against Chicago like they did in the 
> second half of the Dallas game)
> 

Well i'll be happy if the giants beat Chicago AT chicago!

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Subject: Re: Okoye?
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 12:49:37 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <Bu7nMt.3ws@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bsmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Barry Smith) writes:
>What happened to Okoye yesterday? Why isn't he starting?
>
Okoye held out.  Just signed last week.  KC says he should be playing
next week.  Watch for Marty to not start Okoye, due to his holdout.
Although with KC's poor rushing sunday(give credit to SD), there
maybe a shake up at RB.
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Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
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