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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Geof Evans
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 06:27:34 GMT
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> > 
> > -> BTW, Geof Evans, one of our Australian correspondents, is in the USA
> > -> on vacation.  He is coming to Pennsylvania today and will stop by for
> > -> dinner. His tour plan is to go south from here to Florida, then west
> > -> across the southern tier states to California.  I'll give him your
> > -> regards.
> > 
> >  By car?  Migawd, that's a killing trip.  I've made the
> > Sacramento-to-Tampa and v.versa run several times.   If he swings up
> > through Arkansas tell 'im to drop in for a visit.
> > ----------
> > Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
> > 

>>>> Fer sure Mr. Williams...we may be from OZ but we ain't wizards...we might
     have a lil' trouble finding you without an address !!! ..Geof..

> Actually, by van, which he purchased yesterday. And the trip will start
> by heading to Chicago, then the Great Lakes, Niagara Falls.... then
> south, then west...  He has 8 weeks.
> 

>>>> Hey Dave... that van we purchased... we threw a tyre yesterday at what we
 thought was 55 mph...but today in Ohio Mr. Patrolman was pleased to imform
 us we were smoked at 78 mph... and we did have the cruise control at 55 !!!
 Kinda wondered why I had cause to comment to Anita that these Americans drive
 real slow don't they... we'd been doing 80 per since we left Downington.
 Didn't get stopped to we were nearly out of Ohio. How the hell did we ever
 get out of Pennsylvannia ? Another 70 bucks down the gurgler. But hey...
 for a thousand dollar junker it drives REAL WELL at 80 or 90... just wish
 he'd told us about the speedo error...like 45 % !!!

[That asswipe, er, I mean, fine upstanding representative of American
Justice didn't give you a ticket did he?  If so, please accept my
appologies on behalf of the rest of us.  hey, while I have your
attention, why not stop in Atlanta if you get a chance?  Just a 
short detour...  404 578 9547's the number JGD]

> Geof and his wife Anita had dinner with us night before last.  Nice couple.
>
>>>> Now that bit is complete bullshit..Geof..
> 
> Is Ron Rader still on line? Geof asked me to ask his whereabouts.
> 
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> Posted by: Dave Tartaglia <emory!immacc.prepnet.com!indy>
>  
>>>> Subsequently hacked up and reposted by Geof Evans...so there !

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Posted by: hotrod@dixie.com
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Subject: O2 sensors
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 22:09:16 GMT
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Thanks, Bob Hale and everyone else, for the oxygen sensor information. I am
also interested in this topic.

Does anyone have information on a low cost *calibrated* sensor in which the
air/fuel ratio could be determined? Is there an "elegant" calibration
method? And finally, besides the MSD and Edelbrock units, what other
off-the-self items are available?

[The linear range of a standard oxygen sensor is narrow enough that if 
the output is not pegged one way or another, you know you're near
stoch.  Not a lot of calibration possible.  There IS a sensor capable
of handling the entire range of flammability of gas. Called the
UEGO (Universal Exhaust Gas Oxygen) sensor, it and the driver electronics
typically cost about $250.  Bosch and NGK make them.  These are the
basis of the Horuba and Motes portable analzyers.  JGD]

Thanks,
John Gwynne
  jgwynne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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Posted by: John S Gwynne <emory!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!jgwynne>
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Subject: Re: Watts Link
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:36:44 GMT
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> 
> I need to build a watts link for my '88 Mustang GT to run SCCA
> American Sedan.
> 
> Anyone know of any kits or literature (or fabrication shops?) that
> would assist me in this?
> 
> I assume that the the center of the pivot on the diff housing should
> be as low as possible, to lower the roll center.  Is this a correct
> assumption?

Well, you don't want your real roll center as low as possible, you want
it the same height as the front.  I'm not sure of how to calculate the
correct geometry.  The pivot for the stock Watts link on my Rx7 is near
the top of the diff housing I think.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-- 
Jon Lusky
lusky@gnu.ai.mit.edu

 79 Rx-7 12A/Holley 4bbl
 67 Camaro/350/4spd (under construction)
 89 Jeep Wrangler/258 (currently self destructing)

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Posted by: emory!gnu.ai.mit.edu!lusky
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Subject: Re: Engines of Yore
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:41:38 GMT
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The strangest motorbike engine I've seen was in a museum
in Bad Oeyenhausen, Germany.  The Megola had a five cylinder
600cc radial engine in the centre of the front wheel.
A single carburettor was fitted on one hub. No clutch, 
no gears, and to drop the final drive ratio, you put 
on a bigger front wheel !

The museum has a touring version of the bike.  When I first
saw it, my jaw sagged slightly and I just stared at it for
a few minutes.  Its a pretty engine, with cute stubby
exhaust pipes for each cylinder.  

As a racing machine it was moderately successful, being
ridden by Ernst Henne who had a lot of success in the 1930s.  
I saw an article on them in a German magazine which included
an interview with him.  He remembered how the mass of the 
spinning engine made the bike very stable in a straight line 
and a bit of a handful in corners.  I wouldn't like to have 
to brake to a halt on a wet and muddy road with the engine 
trying to spin the front wheel.  The top speed was about 80 mph
for the racing version.  

There are three examples left.  Two of them are in museums in 
Germany.  The one I saw had some fresh-looking grime on it so 
it's probably still a runner.  

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk

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Posted by: Andrew Henry <emory!gdr.bath.ac.uk!A.H.Henry>
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Subject: Re: oxy sensors
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 06:00:39 GMT
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> 
> 
> 	All of this talk about O2 sensors has me wondering...
> 	Is there a sensor i can get for my application?
> 
> I am in process of setting up a 454 chevy with hildeborn fuel injection 
> for drag racing. The intake has seperate runners for each port. My thoughts
> have me pondering the use an O2 sensor per port to determine the rich/lean
> state for each cylander. 
	
	Rich lean conditions on a per cyl basis is more of a problem with a
	blown motor (so Kinsler tells me) Both Rons and Kinsler sell an injector
	that'll fit your manifold that has a jet or pill in the injector 
	to compensate for rich/lean conditions if you have to alter it.
> 
> I'm not running unleaded gas, but the stuff from the racetrack which has a 
> high lead content. This type of gas (vp c-12) takes a long time to show signs 
> on the plugs (I guess it has to do with the burning of almost all the gas and 
> lack of the crap that makes the plugs black in the first place.)

	RUN ALCOHOL :-)

> I see this capability helping me (and every other racer using 
> Mechanical Fuel Injection) as a tuning aid, warning device, and engine 
> saver...
> 
> [You absolutely will have to use unleaded gas with these sensors.  No
> way around it.  It's the same platinum on the sensor that gets poisoned
> as in a cat converter.  JGD]

	Two manufacturers of rich lean boxes claim that you can use the
	Oxy sensors "for short periods" of exposure to leaded fuel. 
	Does anyone have any idea how long "short periods" translates to?
> 
> -dan a.
> dhoward@sw.stratus.com
> 
> 
> In your case, I'd look at exhaust temperature, trying to achieve 
> uniformity and trying to correlate good ETs with temperature.

	I've heard that some people use small pieces of welding rods
	of different heat ranges to help determine how hot a cyl is running.
	They wire tie a short piece of rod to the header near the cyl head
	flange and see if the rod starts to melt. Not real accurate, but 
	would certainly show differences ???
> 
> ----------
> Posted by: Dan Howard <emory!cam2.sw.stratus.com!dhoward>


	Dan, I'd certainly like to hear more of your experiences. I'm
	trying to fit a Hillborn to a 319 CID (Destroked 327) into my
	69 chevelle (Drag car.) I plan to switch to alcohol should I 
	every get the bucks (and time) to do a 406. Electronic controls
	on the hillborn would be neat, and I may even soon have a 68332 
	environment to work a controller on.


Derek J. Pietro                      | Thats sloride...
lock60!sloride!derekp       UUCP     |    Take it easy.
derekp%sloride/@canal.org   Internet |

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Posted by: emory!gvls1.VFL.Paramax.COM!sloride!derekp (Derek Pietro)
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Subject: Re: JBA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:35:15 GMT
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Bob, that is a pretty recent change.  Their parking lot is small but
their current facility is pretty nice.  Is the mission gorge place a lot
bigger or do you know? Mike Brattland

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Posted by: emory!nprdc.navy.mil!brattlan (CDR Michael Brattland)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Weird ECM stuff
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 20:06:56 GMT
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                          SUBJECT:  Weird ECM stuff
Well, last night I took one of our real nice HP data/protocol analyzers home
and hooked up to the ECM in the GN.  I'm now in state of confusion.  I found
the following things:

1.  The baud rate was completely weird ... the scope kept saying it was 527
baud (error).

2.  It looked like the data bits are inverted.

3.  The scope was happiest at 600 baud asynchronous, one stop bit, and inverted
data bits ... however, I don't know how valid the data gathered is.

4.  The ECM seems to just stream data ... no pauses between frames.  I'm
looking thru the data looking for some kind of framing characters or markers,
no luck so far.  Of course, since the scope had so many problems synching up to
the data stream, the data I got may be complete garbage.

Any clues/hints?

-- Ken Mosher
-- Buick Grand National:  A *BOOST* of Buick Performance

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Posted by: "KEN MOSHER" <emory!imd.sterling.com!Ken_Mosher>
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Subject: 302 rev. limiter
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 19:11:32 GMT
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-> I've got to admit, this is the most intersting group I've read in a
-> long while (we can't subscribe to alt.sex here, can't imagine why
-> :)).

 Hmm... given a choice between sex and cars... uh... er...  <ponder>


-> Solid lifter cam:  I'm going with solid lifters for my 351C.  The cam
-> profile is 306 degrees (260 @ 0.050) with 0.629 lift, both intake and
-> exhaust.

 Holy smoke!  That thing'll idle like a Harley!  What are you doing with
the motor?  Long track work?  That's a relatively low lift for a
Cleveland with that much duration.


-> Oh, yeah, the solid lifters.  I had a '74 Capri V6, and only adjusted
-> the lifters when I replaced the valve stem seals.

 I've had several of the V6s and several of the fours, all solid lifter.
I checked a couple of the sixes, but I can't recall *ever* having to set
the valves.  The valvetrain on the V6 was one of the things Ford did
right - enormous lifter base diameter to allow radical profiles with low
pressure, tiny pushrods shorter than an MTV attention span, and rockers
mounted on a steel shaft, just the way God intended.  No screw in studs,
guide plates, winky rocker balls, or stud gridles necessary, thank you.
Check out the gear drive cam too, eh?  Too bad the ports sucked road
kill.  And to add insult to injury, the 5-port siamese head flowed
better than the 6-port head.


-> weekend.  You'll probably be the guy using a grinder to bore the
-> cylinder walls out, too :)

 Well, it'd probably not the kind of grinder you're thinking of.  <grin>
BTW, if anyone is aware of a company who still makes internal cylinder
grinders - even for industrial use - please let me know.
                                                                         

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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Subject: Re: Geof Evans
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:33:21 GMT
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Phil Gunsel writes:
"One more thing, maybe someone in our group could answer definitively --
when the wandering couple get to California, will they be able to sell
their 1978 Chevy van (licensed in Pennsylvania) if it is not smog-able??
If not, are there any suggestions you could pass on to them, such as, sell
it in New Mexico?  If anyone else sees them along their path, please pass
on any answer.."

The last time that I checked (which was 3 or 4 years ago) you could
sell a vehicle to a dealer and not have to worry about it passing
smog tests.  It becomes the dealer's problem.

If a vehicle is brought into the state and that vehicle does not
have an EPA sticker indicating compliance with California
requirements then there is a one-time $300 fee for "environmental
impact" (note that the sticker is what determines whether you make
this political contribution; actual measurements have nothing to
do with it).

If the vehicle doesn't pass smog testing and there is no evidence
of tampering then there is a limit to the cost of repairs that
will be forced upon the customer.  That limit is on a sliding scale
from $50 or $60 at the bottom end to about $300 at the top end.
The newer vehicles pay more.  I would guess that for a vehicle
as old as theirs it would be $100 or less.

If there is evidence of tampering (tampering is *any* change made
to the factory stuff) then there is no repair cost limit.

The way that the repair fee works in practice is that you will
pay the state limit plus about $30.  If the vehicle still doesn't
pass then you have to go to the referee board and they will
look the situation over and decide if there is anything else
that they want you to do.  After you have done everything that
they ask and it still doesn't make the numbers then they give
you an exemption and you can register the vehicle anyway.

Some of the details of this may have changed; the legislators
keep changing the rules.  But this should be fairly close.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net


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Posted by: emory!ucsd.edu!btree!hale (Bob Hale)
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Subject: '62 Fairlane Windscreen
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 09:21:03 GMT
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In the process of my current touch-up / total rebuild, the panelbeater 
cracked the windscreen and naturally said not to worry and that he would 
pay for it. The problem is that the panel work is going to be around 
the $500-$700 mark and a new windscreen is $950. Panelbeater is not 
very happy about that as it would be hard for him to jack the price 
to cover it. 

If any of you have a bored moment over the next few days, would you 
mind making a few local calls for me. If I have a contact number, I 
can take it from there. Random calls to the US from here soon mount 
to $$$ that could be better spent depleting oil reserves.

The car is a four-door, '62 Fairlane 500.

While I'm at it, I also need a bonnet (err, hood) emblem. Can anybody 
help ?

Sorry to go shopping for favours but if you can't ask alt.petrolhead, 
who can you ask ?

Thanks,

Steve.


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Posted by: emory!kcbbs.gen.nz!Steve_Baldwin (Steve Baldwin)
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Subject: Re: Gasoline, Octane boosters, etc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:08:13 GMT
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Neal Howard commented on using benzine as an octane booster.  IMHO,
it's a bad idea.

The benzine moecule is a very simple one - it has 6 carbon atoms
bonded to each other in a ring, and each carbon atom has one
hydrogen atom bonded to it.  Very symmetrical, and *very* hard
for your body to deal with.

Toluene and xylene are variations on the benzine molecule where
one (toluene) or two (xylene) hydrogen atoms are replaced by
methyl groups.  The assymetry of the methyl groups provides a
"handle" for your body's chemistry to break down the molecule.

Toluene and xylene both have higher energy than benzine (because
they have more carbon and hydrogen atoms per molecule) and are
less damaging to the body.  For these reasons I avoid benzine.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net

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Posted by: emory!ucsd.edu!btree!hale (Bob Hale)
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Subject: Re: 305 torque
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 20:10:07 GMT
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	I have a 1978 305 I rebuilt. I had the block bored 30 over, installed
cast pistons and rings, and of course new main and rod bearings. I bolted on 
fresh heads with mild springs, and a 440 lift 262 duration cam. For induction I have a Holley 600 CFM vac sec and a dual plane manifold. It also has 
headers, dual exaust, and a stock HEI ignition.

	Its in a 1980 Monte Carlo. I use the car mainly for towing my boat
so I wanted an engine that would give me decent torque and reliability. I'm
very happy with its performance. The car lurches forward with ease and presses
you back in the seat quite nicely. If it wasn't for the high ratio rear end,
it would be better off the line, but on the highway, it flies. I get about 15-
17 MPG average.

	Good Luck

	Pete

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Posted by: emory!ll.mit.edu!psanders (Peter Sanders)
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Subject: Re: Solid Lifters?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 08:53:22 GMT
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-> :  *Real* roller cams are all solid - nobody grinds anything good for
-> the : usual OEM hydraulic goobers.
..
> So Dave, are you saying that the Chevy hydraulic rollers and the
> folks that make replacement parts, are not grinding anything worth
> looking at??

 "Worth looking at" if you like short duration, wide lobe center, low
overlap cams for computer controlled cars.  These are basically yer
generic RV or stump puller grinds with wider lobe centers.  For adding a
little oomph to your four door Caprice they're OK, but they're severely
limited because too much overlap will freak the oxygen sensor.

 I waited a long time for someone to grind some real performance
profiles for the factory hydraulic rollers.  After all, over half the
cost of a roller cam is the lifters.  Alas, the factory hydraulics are
low-RPM pieces that pump up quick, and they couldn't be any heavier if
they were filled with lead shot.  They're not suitable for quick cam
profiles.


-> What do you think about the Crane, Comp, etc people that make a
-> roller hydraulic setup/retrofit??  Do they have any decent grinds?

 To the best of my knowledge, all of the grinds intended for stock
roller lifters are very mild.  You can't just pick out a hairy roller
profile - roller cams are generated with a specific roller size.  If you
change the roller size, it can drastically change the profile,
particularly on inverse flank grinds.  That's why you don't use
Joe-Bob's brand rollers on a Bubba brand cam - if Bubba ground his cam
for a .532 lifter and Joe-Bob's lifters are .443, it's possible for the
nose of the lobe to come up above the axle centerline and just break the
lifter off.  Or break the cam, whichever comes first.  If you use
Billy-Ray's .590 lifters on a Bubba cam, the roller might go from the
base circle to up near the nose without ever touching the flank at all,
since Bubba's inverse flank might be ground at .560, see?
                                                    

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Posted by: emory!chaos.lrk.ar.us!dave.williams (Dave Williams)
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