From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:25:30 GMT

lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.045132.585@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> acolman@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(Alison Colman) writes:
>>In article <C1Frr7.9zA@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan23.010405.8289@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> acolman@nyx.cs.du
>>edu
>>>(Alison Colman) writes:
>>>
>>>>As to whether the availibility of abortion will influence the sexual
>>>>behavior of people in this country, it's pretty hard to predict. I know
>>>>for myself, if abortion was made illegal in Pennsylvania, it wouldn't b
>>
>>>>much of a problem for me to go to Maryland to have an abortion. Yes, it
>>>>might make me wary about having sex -- then again, it might not make mu
>>h
>>>>of a difference. I know myself I would be extremely careful about using
>>>>effective birth control, regardless of the availability of abortion. So
>>
>>>>sorry to disappoint you, Edward. Making abortion illegal would not make
>>me
>>>>have sex less, personally.
>>>
>>>
>>>Alison
>>>
>>>These things actually can be determined by proper survey techniques. 
>>>Interviews on Oprah with pregnant teenagers were very revealing. Abortio
>> is so
>>>widely accepted in our society that many of the kids came up with lines 
>>uch as
>>>'... and besides, I could always get an abortion....' to explain away th
>>ir
>>>cavalier attitudes towards the consequences of sex.  Please don't misund
>>rstand
>>>me - a TV talk show doesn't prove a point - but neither do your particul
>>r
>>>personal reactions.
>>>
>>My personal reactions may mean nothing to you, Paul, but they mean
>>something to me.  I can't speak for others because I'm not a mind reader,
>>but I can certainly tell a pro-lifer how I would feel if abortion was made
>>unavailable to me, and how it would affect my life. *You* may not care if
>>my personal goals are never achieved, but I sure care. I feel that my
>>concerns are very legitimate, and you're a fool if you think you can
>> convince me otherwise.

>First off, I have to apologize.  I went back over your original post and saw
>you were responding to a claim Mr. Simmons made on how you personally would
>react.  Of course it would be presumptuous to make a judgement about an

I would like to know what claim I made about how Ms. Colman would react?
Did I in my original post even know who she was?  Did I make ANY comments
about how ANYBODY would react?  I think not.  I asked a simple question,
that's it.  

[Stuff I'm not commenting on deleted]

>>>
>>Alison Colman
>>
>>
>My point is this, Alison.  If you feel abortion is acceptable, fine.  I
>disagree vehemently, but I won't put you down personally, or try to associate
>you with one group or another to try to bolster my position.  Abortion is bad,
>not because it lets women off the hook, not because it is some left-wing plot. 
>For me its bad because it kills, period.

>If some or even most pro-lifers are foaming at the mouth religious zeolots who
>you might find repugnant, that doesn't automatically make their views on
>abortion bad. These issues should be argued on their own merrits, not on the
>particular group espousing them.

>I'd be interested in what you find out about teenage pregnancy rates.

>- Paul


I will say it again.  Ms. Colman has made some blatantly false accusations
about me and I am expecting an apology. 



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