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From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Are the Buccaneers for real?
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:22:05 GMT

From article <1992Sep15.013936.11989@bradley.bradley.edu>, by dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell):
> 
> 
> I almost thought it was foolish to draft Vinny Testeverde onto my FFL
> league team.....
> 
> According to Headline News, this is Tampa Bay's first 2-0 start since 1980.
> They're ranked first in the NFL in defense (granted, it was all against the
> Cardinals and Packers, but first is first =-).
> 
> Testeverde was the Edge Player of the Week on ESPN.
> 
> All I can say is.....keep it up!  Could they actually beat the Bears?
> We'll find out soon enough I guess.
> 
> 
> A Bucs fan in Bears country....
> davE
> owner/GM, Peoria Gyrators
I can't believe it either, especially after the horrible preseason they had.
I may be premature, but I think football fans are going to be extremly 
surprised by the Bucs this year, especially their defense.  I wouldn't be
surprised if they are ranked within the top three by the end of the season.
So all you closet Buc fans who have taken to hiding due to the continual
abuse we take, come on out and support the Bucs.  Our day is coming.
God bless Coach Sam.

Brendan Dwyer
Buc Fan.
Foaming at the mouth.
Nipples rock hard.
From: stig@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: <None>
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:51:37 EDT

Hey Vikings fans, I have heard that the Vikings cleaned house defensively this
preseason.  I know at one time, about 3-4 years ago, the Viking defense was
absolutely stellar.  It seemed that half of the starting pro bowl defense in
the NFC were Vikings.  I have heard that Joey Browner was released and is now
with Tampa Bay, but what about guys like Chris Doleman, Keith Millard, Carl
Lee, Noga, and others who starred on defense?  

I am just interested to know what happened to these guys.

Thanks in advance for any replies. 
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lion Special Teams beat Vikes
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:50:42 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

A blocked field goalreturned for a TD and another missed one +

a fumble which broke the Vikes' back resulted in the Vikes

beating themselves, inspite of the Minnesota defence shuting
out Sanders.

Actually, the Minnesota offence looked better than the Lions

but u cannot win when u beat urself.

The Vikes are 1-1 and open up at home against the Bucs.

S.H
Go Vikes
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:52:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.221746.18095@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>Young to John Taylor, 54 yd TD reception.  Taylor breaks
>Jones tackle!! Awesome running!  Conversion good!
 
When I saw this touchdown the first thing I thought was, "that
was no touchdown, he fumbled that ball across the endzone."

Now DON'T quote me out of context and say that I am calling for the
return of instant replay, BUT the anouncers totally ignored this 
possibility.  Neither one of them said a thing about it.  I would ahve
been annoyed if they stopped the game and reviewed it in the replay
official's box, but that does not mean I don't want to see the play
again in slo-mo from another angle just to make sure.

It seems that the networks are avoiding questioning the officials
now since the death of I-R.  I rewatched this play on video in slo-mo
from the highlight film on the news, and I am still unconvinced that it
was a touchdown.  The shadows are almost upright in the picture, and 
the shadow of the ball is clearly unconnected from Taylors hand as it 
crosses the white line.  Not that it made a whit of difference to the game,
Niners still lose.  Nor is it really important whether it really was or 
not.  But, I would appreciate it if the networks were not deciding whether
to discuss a questionable call based on the possibility of offending the
NFL owners who decided to do away with I-R.

my $.02

Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

ps. peace
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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.204503.19571@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>I guess you and I are at opposite ends on this topic.  I guess it depends
>on how you were raised and what you learned in your formative years as a young
>kid.  To me, taunting is natural.  It intimadates some people so much that
>their play diminishes. It is also a form of one upmanship in verbal street
>talk.  It is not for everyone.  NOTE:  have you seen the Spike Lee T.V.
>commerical of  two teams (young black men and white men) playing basketball?
>It is a lesson on getting along a people, but the ad starts off with some
>major name calling.  If you saw the movie "White Men Can't Jump", then
>you will know exactly what I am talking about.  I just believe in "trash
>talking" if you can back it up (Remember Ali?).  I can guarantee you, if
>I was playing against you and I picked up and the fact that you didn't
>like being taunted, then I would be at you non-stop.  If it resulted in
>a fight, then I would back it up, irregardless of the outcome.

That's probably why they made it a 15 yard penalty:  to cut down on 
things that incite fights.  I don't have any problem with you telling me
how great you are; it's just fine since I will ignore it.  What I do object
to is someone who cannot sing their own accolades without putting everyone 
else down.  Socialization, maybe.  If you make a good play, that's fine,
but you're just plain stupid if you think the defender will not make just
as fine a play later.

I think it says a lot about a person if they can't cheer/promote themselves
or their team without knocking others abilities or others' teams.  Think 
about it this way:  if you beat a defender and tell him he sucks, that kind 
of takes away from your most recent accomplishment, doesn't it?


Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.171459.2417@osf.org> bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:
>In article <ELM.92Sep7010852@joyride.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>>
>>The true test for the Niners will come next week when they play the
>>Bills.  I'd be surprised if the Giants manage to stay above .500 this
>>year, given their 6 games against the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles.
>>
>>ethan
>
>Yup. The Niners beat a mediocre (ouch!) Giants team, in a game that was closer
>than the final score might indicate. It was, after all, only 24-14 SF in
>the 4th, the Giants had the ball and were moving -- then Simms INT, SF TD, game
>over for all intents and purposes.  Bills-SF game should be a good, wish it
>were on TV here in NE, but I'll be happy with Cowboys-Giants and Pats-Rams.
>If Dal-NY gets out of hand, I can always switch to Raiders getting surprised
>by Bengals in Cincinnati!
>
>Bruce Smith
>
>

I have a different outlook on the SAME game.  The score could have
been 40+-14, Niner's winning.  What I saw was a Niner team pretty much
in control, except for the stupid penalties.  If they can avoid these
penalties (fingers crossed), the Bill won't have a chance.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - Sept 4th
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:56:44 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep4.084504.8804@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> Browns News - Sept 4th
> ----------------------
> 
> The season FINALLY Starts Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts. The Browns
> should win. 

Well they didnt; they lost to the Colts 3 - 14.  Bernie Kosar
should ask to be paid on the basis of the number of tims 
he is sacked.  Colts sacked him 11 times today and I think picked
him off (he is the record holder for most completions withot an
INT) twice.

For others who might be locked up in their offices on this Sunday 
evening, the following are the early games scores;

Bears 27
Lions 24

Harbaugh to Waddle strike with :01 showing on the clock.


Bills 40
Rams   7

Thurman Thomas scores career high 4 TDs.


Vikings  23
Packers  20

The Vikes beat the Packers in the first OT game of the year.


Eagles  15
Saints  13

Eagles miss two PAT's


Oilers    24
Steelers  29

A shocker, but it would seem that the Steelers have Warren Moon's 
number.  For the second straight game they intercept him 5 times.
Moon is 1-3 against the Steelers in  their last 4 matchups.


Atlanta  20
Jets     17

Falcons score 17 points in first qtr then hang on to win.  Seems
that Browning Nagle had a very solid first game.


Bucs  23
Cards  3

(I think...dont know much else about this game)


Some of the late scores are:


49ers   31    3rd qtr.
Giants  14

Johnson runs back a Simms INT for a TD.  Apparently Young got
hurt because Bono was playing in his place.


Bengals   21
Seahawks   3

Bengals defense scores twice on fumble recoveries. 


K.C.     17
Chargers  3


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:34:39 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.14.716045470@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU>, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City) writes:
>During the 9ers/NYG game, I believe there were 2 taunting calls. 15yard
>loss.  (how are you supposed to be psyched up as a defense and 
>suppress yourself at the same time)
>
>Is this the same as "unsportsman-like conduct"? Can someone clarify the 
>taunting thing for me.

Yes, it is treated as an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. My understanding
is that they were going to be a lot looser on this issue this year, and here
we are in the first game of the season calling this penalty *TWICE* on
taunts that could hardly have been deemed flagrant.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:32:04 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.14.716045470@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City) writes:
>During the 9ers/NYG game, I believe there were 2 taunting calls. 15yard
>loss.  (how are you supposed to be psyched up as a defense and 
>suppress yourself at the same time)
>
>Is this the same as "unsportsman-like conduct"? Can someone clarify the 
>taunting thing for me.
>
>Are they paying special attention to this topic this season?
>I didnt watch any other games, and was wondering if this was something 
>that is getting more attention this season.
>
>Adriene L. Nazaretian        
>Yale University              
>ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
>ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  

I am personally confused about the taunting rule as well.  This particular
rule is up to personal interpretation by the Zebras.  One poster correctly
pointed out that the taunting infraction regarding Rice did not "seem" to
be a major one.  The key word is "seem".  We are far removed the actual action 
and the officials can hear what is being said.  Apparently, each Zebra has
his own tolerance in this infraction.

I use to be weekend warrior playing basketball, football (I still play
volleyball) and also lettered in 3 sports in high school.  In the heat
of a game (even volleyball) it is natural to try to demoralize your
opponent.  Sometimes you get in players face or make some physcial contact
to let know you can "kick" their butt (usually figuratively).  IMHO the taunting 
rule is idiotic if they are going to throw the flag just because their is name 
calling or fingers being pointed (Jeesh!).  I believe it is part of the game.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: eha@postman.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:57:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.044841.660@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

>If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
>about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
>8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
>get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nope!!! I do not agree with you. Remember, there are a lot of international 
readers of this group (including me from Norway) around the world trying to 
get updated scores. WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ABC, CBS, NBC AND ESPN!!!!!
I have CNN International but their sports (read cricket, tennis, 
racing etc.) updates SUCKS!! I did appreciate the updates posted here.

Ernst
GO RAIDERS!
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Mo. Carthon
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:41:42 GMT

Brian Lichorowic (brian@intercon.com) wrote:
> In article <1992Sep9.151441.18773@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
> mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier) writes:
> > 
> > In article <1992Sep9.122416.16831@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monas
> > h.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
> > >
> > >Can anyone tell mem the status of Maurice Carthon? (Fullback for the
> > >giants). Of the 1 hr highlights we got over here in Oz on the SF/NY game,
> > >i did see him at all. Is he still with the team???
> > 
> > I believe he's with the Colts now.....
> > 
> >             -Mike
> > 
> >                   mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
> >  
>  Maurice Carthon IS with the Colts and is the starting Fullback.. The coaches 
> are using his blocking skills to help in pass protection but he has proven he 
> can catch the ball and run when given the opprtunity... I can't believe the 
> Giants left him unprotected in Plan B.. he's still a solid player...
> 
> Brian Lichorowic

Oh boy, do the coaches really think that bunch can fill the stop of Carthon???

Hmmmm, maybe Ray H. MUST go..

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should Fail.)_
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:06:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <10492@disc.dla.mil> i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green) writes:
>
>>Terry Allen, Herschel's replacement in MN, was 12 carries for 140 yards.
>
>Not bad but lets remember Allen did his against the Packer's defense, Walker
>did his against the Saints.  The Saints number two against the run last year.
>
   Let's also remember that the Packer defense against the run was pretty
   damn good last year. 7th best in the NFL if I remember correctly. Now
   there's no comparing the Packer's D with the Saint's D, but when it comes
   to rushing defense, the Packers are pretty tough.

   You may now return to your silly "Walker will fail," "No he won't,"
   "Yes he will," "No he won't and our team could beat up you team,"
   argument that I so rudely interrupted.

   --salty
From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bruce.
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Someone recently posted here that Bruce Smith looked great.  I think
differently.
	Bruce definitely showed that he was healthy.  No limp.  However, he was
not in good shape.  He did not show his characteristic quickness on every
passing down.  He took himself out of the game on three or four occasions.  I
expect that he will get back into great condition again, but it might take the
whole season.  We'll just have to wait and watch.
	Also, someone else posted that the Bills would be destined to go to the
Super Bowl if they beat the '49ers by 40-7 like they beat the Rams.  Again, I
think differently.
	The '49ers are better, but they simply aren't such an awesome team that
I would measure the Bills prospects by how well they play against the '49ers.
I expect the Bills to beat the '49ers, but not by that much.

Snoopy
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:09:21 GMT

In article <BuBID4.E3F@news.larc.nasa.gov> azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips) writes:
>Here's a posting by Gidi from a few months back.
>  
>                     sum of the 1991 records
>    team (1991 record)    for the team's 1992 opponents
>1:  Dallas (11-5)           146-110 (0.570)
>2:  Philadelphia (10-6)     145-111 (0.566)
>3:  Washington (14-2)       145-111 (0.566)
>4:  NY Giants (8-8)         144-112 (0.562)
>5:  Denver (12-4)           141-115 (0.551)
>6:  Kansas City (10-6)      139-117 (0.543)
>7:  LA Raiders (9-7)        139-117 (0.543)
>8:  Seattle (7-9)           137-119 (0.535)
>9:  New Orleans (11-5)      135-121 (0.527)
>10: LA Rams (3-13)          135-121 (0.527)
>11: Phoenix (4-12)          131-125 (0.512)
>12: Atlanta (10-6)          130-126 (0.508)
>13: San Francisco (10-6)    128-128 (0.500)
>14: Green Bay (4-12)        126-130 (0.492)
>15: Detroit (12-4)          125-131 (0.488)
>16: Minnesota (8-8)         124-132 (0.484)
>17: Miami (8-8)             123-133 (0.480)  <---
>18: NY Jets (8-8)           122-134 (0.477)  <---
>19: Chicago (11-5)          121-135 (0.473)
>20: New England (6-10)      120-136 (0.469)
>21: Buffalo (13-3)          119-137 (0.465)  <---
>22: Cincinnati (3-13)       118-138 (0.461)
>23: Pittsburgh (7-9)        118-138 (0.461)
>24: Cleveland (6-10)        117-139 (0.457)
>25: Tampa Bay (3-13)        117-139 (0.457)
>26: Houston (11-5)          115-141 (0.449)
>27: San Diego (4-12)        112-144 (0.438)
>28: Indianapolis (1-15)     112-144 (0.438)

The Bills (13-3) have an easier schedule than Miami (8-8) and Jets (8-8)?
*THAT* makes a lot of sense...  (yeah, yeah, I know:  the reason for the
rating difference is the fact the teams play each other twice rather than
the difficulty of non-division opponents).  Does anyone out there have a
92 rating of non-division opponents based on 91 records?
-- 
-- Thad Crews                         (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:09:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <1911niINN25u@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes:

>In article <y0xnhcg.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:

>>Buffalo's offense earns an A, SF's offense earns an A-.  Buffalo's
>>defense earns a D, and SF's defense earns a D-.  I would not be
>>heartened by this game if I were a fan of either team.  (Hmm, gee, I am
>>a fan of one of those teams--how 'bout that...)

>  You got be kidding. Buffalo's D gave up more yards to the SF offense.
>  The game could have gone either way right up to the end. I guess that 
>  isn't as clear to your partisan eyes.

Yards, schmards.  Who cares about yards at the wrong end of the field. 
The key is yards down near the scoring zone.  In the end, Buffalo won,
and, as they say, that is the bottom line.  Buffalo's D held in the last
drive, when it really counted, which is why I gave them the edge in my
ratings. 

As for my partisan eyes, well, I tried not to mention *which* team I was
a fan of.  It looks like *everybody* thought I was a Buffalo fan.  I'm
not (though I like the team).  I'm red and gold, all the way.

>  Sorry but the SF D is nowhere near as good as some of the other defenses
>  especially in the NFC. And that is why Buffalo will lose their 3rd
>  Superbowl in a row. 

As for the first, sadly, this is true.  As for the second, well, I don't
*really* care who the AFC sends to the big dance.  As long as they lose
to the Niners there.  :-)

>>Cheers to Marv and the boys, who've proven time and again that they can
>>win on offense alone.  Jeers to Seifert, who's let most of the SF
>>defense move to LA to play wearing silver and black.

>  Maybe you wanna check out the Cinci/Raiders score first before shooting
>  off.

It's not *my* fault that the Raiders don't know how to use the talent
that Seifert was too foolish to keep.  And I certainly don't think that
the former Niners playing for LA are the *reason* LA is doing so badly. 
They were able to do badly all by themselves long before that....
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Offensive & Defensive Players of the Week for week 1?
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Has anyone heard who the Offensive & Defensive Players of the Week
are for week 1 for each of the AFC and NFC?  I've been looking
in clarinews and the newspaper, as well as listening to the 
sports broadcasts on TV and I haven't heard a thing.  Usually,
those things are out by Wednesday after the games.

Post or email is OK by me.

Thanks,

Carol
Go Bills!
Geaux Saints!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: The Niners are the favorites.
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:03:16 GMT

In article <WLITTLE.92Sep9153918@dante.nmsu.edu> wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:
>Maybe I will believe that when the Niners beat someone of playoff
>caliber!
>
>GO COWBOYS!!!
>Super Bowl '93!
>Wes

Food for thought:  Maybe America will believe it when the
Cowboys win a SB before the decade is over.  How long has 
it been?  The Cowboys have alot more to prove than the Niner's.  
Hint:  make sure and wear your setson, I think the sun is 
affecting your thinking. :-)
 
Oh yeah, in the meantime, I will wear my cowboy boots. : -)
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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