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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:12:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: RE: Gender
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>Do Modern English nouns have case?

     Pronouns do (she vs. her).  Nouns have a genitive case ('s).
     Do I win something?

     Carol
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:18:29 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anne Diffily's address?
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> >PLEASE NOTE, people, it is *not done* to publish people's addresses
> >or phone numbers on the net.
>
> oh?   lots of unparanoid people do it all the time.  and since thats

I think Graham meant other people's addresses or phone numbers.  I agree
with him about that, UNLESS:

> where I got it in the beginning i felt no compunction about reposting it
> for the benefit of those who didn't copy it downt he first time.  (i actually

Thank makes it ok, IMHO.

> dan
> box 7606
> boise id 83707.....208-383-0165....all of which is in the book, as is
> my street address where almost no mail arrives except for junk.


   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     Box 31, Miss. State, MS 39762 USA
     Drawer E, Miss. State, MS 39762 USA
     211 S. Nash, Starkville, MS 39759 USA (where I rarely check the
     mailbox since almost nothing but junk arrives at that address)
     (601)323-8384 (home)  (601)325-3644 (office)
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:37:32 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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> teachers are required to stand at our doors between classes and greet
> students as they enter* and one of the standard greetings is "Good
> morning," another is "Good afternoon." Since we have several lunch

And what do the students say?  The reason I ask this is because my
students have trouble w/ this is Japanese.  I do explain to them that
the onus is on them to greet me first, but since most classrooms enter
from the back, I usually have to greet them first.  Some days I get no
answer back from them.  It takes 3/4 of the year to get them to where
it's a habit.  The American part of me says "oh well" and the Japanese
part is shocked at their rudeness.

I am appalled that the teachers are required to greet the students; I
think it should be the other way around.  (That is the Japanese part.)
Do the students *respond* to this greeting, or merely treat it as
tribute to their importance?

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:43:06 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: First year Persons
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              14 Aug 1992 16:39:13 EDT from
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:39:13 EDT Karen Kay said:
>Not at all, Dan, you miss the point almost entirely.  There is a
>certain elegance in not distinguishing freshman, sophomore, junior,
>senior, but have ONE form,  X-year student.  Elegance, simplicity.

   Yes, but also often wrong.

>Also, this takes into account the trend that fewer students are
>graduating in 4 years; many of ours are in 5 yr. programs.  Also,

   Understand taht.  e.g. my daughter is an architecture major, which
is and <always??> has been a five year program.

>many students come in w/ enough credits to be sophomores their
>second year; but it is still their first year, so they have
>a first-year student's experiences and outlook.

   And follow that too....but from my experience, the feds, the registrar,
the people who worry about pre-requisites and "upper division classes" and
all those kind of things still figure 0-30 hours for frosh, 31-64 for
soph, etc .   substitute your own local numbers, of course.

   So someone could be a frosh but 3rd year, depending on which type
we were talking about.  And vice versa, etc.  And then when you add in
the "non traditional students" who may be first year in school but OLD....
with a different "first year student's experiences and outlook" from the
17 year old....

   Of course it is all a big mess....not "simple" like the "olden days"
some of us know.

      Personally, I usually refer to my freshman year, my sophomore year,
my first junior year, my second junior year, my first senior year, and
my second senior year (when also took first 9 grad hours the semester I
graduated).  Oh, yeah...there were a coupla summers in there too.

Anyway, whatcha expect from someone who had 170 SEMESTER hours when
he graduated with a BA.

dan
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:11:37 CDT
Reply-To:     Michael J Graven <mjg@nwu.edu>
From:         Michael J Graven <mjg@NWU.EDU>
Subject:      The sole of a new machine
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karsten writes:

> If you put your ear next to the processor do you hear the ocean?

No, but if it's a MicroVAX you can hear the hamsters.

--mjg

--
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:30:20 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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I don't use any of those greetings.  I just say "hah." :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: The D-words 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:51:07 GMT
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I wrote:
>>One day I just mysteriously vanished from the campus...

gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) wrote:
> Finally the reason for over-smug self-satisfied attitude becomes apparent.

There is an acceptable level of smugness?

I've never heard/seen myself called smug before.  Distant, argumentative,
asocial, but never smug.

I wouldn't say I'm particularly satisfied with the decision I made,
either.  I liked teaching and sometimes wonder if I wouldn't have
been happier if I had finished the "union card".

I left without notice primarily because I thought I might return and they
might not notice the interval of absence.  It apparently took most of a
year before the appropriate people realized I was actually gone.  It took
another year for the Alumni Association to find me.

--karsten

...now which buttons of his did I press which of mine did he press...
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:50:29 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gender
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> >It breaks down because man/woman isn't parallel with person/black.
>
> --Ah, Natalie, bless you that you *dont* think it is: but it was, it was.
> In each case, the second term had/has distinct overtones of "technically,
> member of the set, but of such insignificance and inferiority as to be
> properly deprived of rights and subject to autocratic governance by *real*
> people."

Although I understand what you're saying, I think it's moving pretty far
away from the question of language use.  Try looking up the four words in
a dictionary.  Although I haven't done so, I'm confident that you would find
(whether in a contemporary dictionary or one from two hundred years ago)
that "man" has two definitions: male human being, any human being.  I'm
equally confident that "person" does not include a definition of "white
human being" (and never has).  If this meaning of "black" is included
(or "colored" etc. in older dictionaries), the definition would almost
certainly follow the classic pattern of defining by first putting the term
into a larger category (e.g., the "person" category).  I don't think that
the definition of "woman" would start by putting "woman" into the larger
category of "man."  NB:  I don't see dictionaries as the ultimate
authority.  I do, however, think that the dictionary definitions help
make the point I'm trying to make.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: baby news?
Reply-To: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:14:29 GMT


In a previous article, ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM () says:

>>new feet yet?  Old feet?  Lots of feet as New Daddy passes out on the
>>delivery room floor?<grin>
>
>Fathers swoon at circumcisions of male children.  If they are present
>for the birth, they merely cry.
>
I'll bet the babies cry at the bris, though - no anesthetic!

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:50:28 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject: Re: List Wars II
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              Aug 20, 92 11:37 pm

>
> -Mka
> who feels totally misunderstood today, is never going to mix
> lists again, and who, probably to the relief of most, is going to
> go into lurk-mode in the ongoing battle against entropy and its
> agents.  And I think it's going to be a *long* lurk.
>

Aw, just when I was getting used to entropy's presence - and like it -
(otherwses, as anyone whohas seen my workspace knows, I know all
about entropy but can't seem to be able to do much about it. A lost
war (and spent warrior).
Agnes
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:35:48 EDT
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From:         GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: gonadological oppression

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> etc., *presumes* a knowledge, understanding of that group you have
> previously posited to be impossible without being a member.  You are

I don't think anyone said understanding is impossible; I believe
the point was *identification* w/ a group.  And many people feel
this is impossible w/out being a member of that group.

Karen
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I don't think that was the point, but even if it was -- I disagree.

JAG
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:47:35 EDT
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From:         GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Net aliases and paranoia

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Posted on 17 Aug 1992 at 12:45:35 by GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
> gonadological oppression

Hmm....a posting on gonad-*ology*....Is Gubert an incarnation
of Aaron Dickey, who also used the -ology suffix in bizarre
fashion?????

Karen
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Please, Pleeaassee, anything but the AD analogy!  BTW, it was --abh
who introduced the -ology.

JAG
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:50:59 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Private Mail

Don here (still nomail, much work to do today), just got quick FTP fix and
don't recall who posted, or how sincere they were, but I *strongly* feel
that private mail should remain that ...unless the author specifically
gave permission to post publicly.  In my recent past *mis-deeds* I
invited and received quite a number of private letters ...mostly supportive,
but expressing honest concerns.  Now I will stick my neck out...In no case
did I reveal publicly, or privately for that matter, who said what.  I
strongly protect what someone tells me in private --good or bad-- and
strongly feel anyone else on E-MAIL, regardless of the list, should do
the same ....or if they can't, leave.  How could anyone face a person in
real life as a friend, knowing they betrayed that person's confidence?
Seems somebody has a lot of maturing to do yet.....now if that "post
what I want" message was just a joke...no problem.  But if you "whoever"
really believe that flame me both public and private ....and I will not
reveal what you say in private.....

Don, must go out in the jungles and smash some dead trees out and chop
away at Kudzu ....excellent therapy!

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:45:09 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Taking names and kicking butts
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> How could she have a 50 min. flight to London if she were in
> California?  I want to take *that* plane!

I didn't know she had a 50 min. flight to London.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:42:44 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: fresh persons/ones/men/women
              14 Aug 1992 12:24:27 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:24:27 MST Dan Lester said:

>This reminds me of an article from wireservice in today's paper.  Seems
>that Nebraska Wesleyan University (in Lincoln) has abolished the
>term "freshman" as being sexist.  And from now on, all are sposed to
>be called "first year students".
>
>"Hi, Bob, glad to meet you....what year are you in school?"
>
>"I'm a first year student, which is why I have this stupid little green
>  beanie."
>
>"Oh, hang in there, someday you'll make it to be a sophomore."
>
>
>Hmmmmm...somehow it just doesn't scan....to say nothing of that
>Marlon Brando movie....."The First Year Student"...

Hmmm - those funny US terms are not used at Canadian universities,
and things seem to scan OK.  I always have to think for a second
to remember which term goes with which year.

Tony H.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:03:18 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The D-words

19-AUG-1992 14:38:13.09 Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
sparked

>>>One day I just mysteriously vanished from the campus...
>>Finally the reason for over-smug self-satisfied attitude becomes apparent.
>
>Oh shit.  I was reading 'karsten' and thinking 'ausbrook'...  Sorry.

Your officiousness, G, is unmistakeable.

-Mka
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:25:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Geekazoids
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> >O.K., -abh you loveable little sticklette you, how about
> ><eequettegay>?  Will *that* do?
>
> No, and cut out the sticklette stuff too, giggles, I'm starting to get cross ;
>
> -abh

I am indeed <cutting it out> because I have suddenly become sweet
as pie and feeling very proud for having arranged all those cars
so nicely and tc/sw is in a good mood and we are going to eat
an entire key lime pie from the best family restaurant in town
tonight as we watch a movie on our new vcr....  that makes 3
vcrs in our household.  We tend to accumulate things.
kissie kissie
--ggs (kissie kissie is for everyone, not just -abh)
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
-Mka opines

I can see why--it's politische Wissenschaft.

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if not making dumb mistakes were the criterion, there'd be few, if any.
Actually, the *real* reason was Rca -- other things became more important.

JAG
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:39:11 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: List wars

*** Resending note of 08/20/92 19:15

>I wonder if Don is still so casual about strangers reading our archives
>now our recent little misunderstanding has been cast in stone for all
.............
>genuinely interested to know whether this has changed Don's laid-back
>attitude to these things...)

>G

Hi Graham ....you aren't trying to get something started again are you?
Too boring?  But if your question is sincere....
I would not be as upset concerning the reation of complete strangers to
a few of my ill-advised posts ...after all, if they had read all of the
posts I have made in the last year and a half, I feel most would not
object.  But, yes, I was upset about the reaction of the people who I
*thought* knew me ....a much different situation.  In any case, I'd just
as soon leave the subject buryied.  I feel all fences have been mended,
and no one bears ill will to me, as I bear no ill will to anyone on this
list.  If I'm wrong, zap me by private mail ....I'll try not to zap you
back :-)

PS.  just broke replacement keyboard, now using borrowed keyboard ...I
     must learn to type softer ...have only been typing for about 45
     years now...and still bang the keys too hard!
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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: End of Summer
Reply-To: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:32:29 GMT


In a previous article, maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ("Natalie Maynor") says:

>> Now why are the 7 p.m. classes "night" classes, but the 7 a.m. ones
>> are not ?  To me 7 a.m. is much more in the middle of the night than
>
>Because it's often dark at 7 p.m. but never dark at 7 a.m.  Or at least
>not around here.
Around here half the time it's hard to tell the difference.:-(  In the 
summer, it's light at both times, and in the winter it's dark.  And, like
Tony, I'm usually awake at 7pm, but only up at 7am under protest.:-)

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From:         Raving Misanthrope <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Men and Feminism
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>argument -- you can't understand because you're not <whatever>.  The


Awww, what do you know, you gonadological oppressor you.

-abh
who just had a shudder or realization what Lobstrosity is going to post when he
finally reads this thread
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Internet outage
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> From: Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078
  We lost a surge protector on the mainframe several
> years ago ...think it cost around $25,000, yes thousand!..

Good grief, Don, at those prices that surge protector should protect
against everything from burglary to dust motes and cobwebs to hard drive
crashes.  I cringed when I paid a mere $50 for mine.
Doris
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Geekefaction
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>Wait a fucking minute......whether everyone knows it or not, the libraries
>of the world are NOT filled with geeks or prudes or other assorted nerds
>or neredettes.  Yeah, there are a few....just like in any profession....
>but they are no more male/female geeks than all interior decorators are
>gay or anything like that.  Also, it is widely reported that SOME
>accountants do NOT wear green eyeshades....and that one or two computer
>programmers do NOT entirely subsist on a diet of Twinkies and Cokes.

>dan   (and if you wanna know about porn novels featuring librarians, just ask)

	OTOH, everywhere I go, university libraries contain people who look
	like Dan or Marty.  You know the <type> -- dark hair with a good bit of
	gray, full beard, not as svelte as he once was...  Greg Finnegan here
	at Dartmouth fits the mold to a T.

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From:         ktw@POLARIS.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: The D-words
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>>It took me years to recover my ability to write after writing what a
>
>Yeah, but it came back with a *vengenance*.
>
>-abh

I sure hope so!

Ken
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:17:07 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: the state of slowness

Dan--
I could use a lesson in manipulating replies--I use SideKick to cut the part of
 the message I want.  It's a lot less cumbersome than the line editor--at least
 to the extent that I know how to use it--which is minimally.

-Mka
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