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From: tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)
Subject: Re: Bonny Doon info?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:19:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba

In article <l=fmjt#.derek@netcom.com> derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash) writes:
>I'm looking to make my first trip down to Bonny Doon this weekend, and I
>have a couple of questions for any net.folk who've been there:

   Well, I guess it's time for the local "Bonny Dune Advocate" to come to
the rescue :-)

>-  How early in the day would I have to leave (from SJ) to avoid most of the
>   traffic I hear about on Highway 17?

    When I lived in Mt. View, I would leave before 8:30. That maybe a bit
to early for most, you could push it to 10:00, but your taking chances
getting into traffic. I fixed the problem for myself by moving here.

>-  What is the weather typically like there this time of year?  Can I get a
>   report over the phone that morning?

    It's been nice lately, but slowly getting colder. Spring and Fall are
the best times, Mid summer it gets foggy.

    What you do is call Davenport Cash Store and ask what the weather is
like. If it's nice, leave early and stop there for a *great* breakfast.
Then full of food, head to the beach (you passed it by ~mile on the way
to Davenport)!

>-  How many people are usually there on a Saturday?

    There were 75+ last Sunday. It was a nice day though.

>-  Will I have any trouble finding it? (I have Patrick's beach guide and a 
>   map...)

    No, look for Bonny Dune Road, and park there. Hike to the beach and
head north to the Cove.


Tom C.
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From: ca658@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary L. Mead)
Subject: UTAH?! Any CO places?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:06:30 GMT


I'm probably really stretching it here for an answer from the net...

But, I'll be entertaining some friends from out of state soon who
are interestied in the great CO outdoors of Utah.  We have been to a
couple of places in California with them, now they want to see what
Utah has to offer.

I know of no places in Utah to take them where we can relax with
others who enjoy the outdoors without clothes.  Anyone know of
such a place... if they even exist?
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From: kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel)
Subject: nudism in Utah
Summary: Nudism in Utah
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:36:19 GMT
Keywords: nudism

After all this publicity of New York going top-free, I started hearing 
some interesting tid bits from the Utah natives.

I, being from Pa., didn't know all the "hot spots" in Utah.  They are only
advertised in the Newspaper under Entertainment Services.


So, get ready, - I've never been to the totally nude places.  So I
cannot give any opinions on the shows.  The Million Dollar Saloon is
a private club with "the clothed variety" strippers.  That's a fun
place. - Also the only one I've been to.

The Paradise 
(If I can print the address, I will)

Totally nude female dancers.  $20.00 admission fee, and you can
stay as long as you want. Must be 18 or older to get in.

American Bush.
(ditto)

Totally nude female dancers.  Adult Burlesque.

The catch is, no alchohol.  Seems Utahns don't like to mix their vices 
either.

The Strip joints that sell alchohol have stricter rules.  Pasties, and
G strings.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And there is a nude beach.
If anyone is interested in skinny dipping in the Great Salt Lake, there is
a nude beach called "bare-ass beach"

It's east of the Salt Air, (if that means anything).  Rumor has it you need
a four-wheel drive.  A friend of mine is going to take me there, and 
directions will be forthcoming.

So, Utah isn't that down on nudity.  Just on advertising it.

Karen Biesel

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From: s_mesbah@engr
Subject: sex vs nudity
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:25:59 GMT

Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
would drive me nuts!  Just curious

regards,
Sam
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: A survey
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:16:42 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

Oh my, another scientific survey hits the group.
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CO in SF
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Distribution: usa
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Jul16.190051.13874@husc3.harvard.edu> thaxter@husc8.harvard.edu (Jason Thaxter) writes:
>
>	I'm going to SF (CA) in September and I would like info on CO
>areas, esp. beaches.  I don't think I'll have access to a car....

Take the 29 bus to Baker Beach, near the Presidio.
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: BEACHES IN NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, NEW ENGLAND
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:37:34 GMT

In article <15312.2A73D879@zeus.ieee.org> Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens) writes:
>are you interested in the various nudist resorts or just beaches
>there are some fine resorts let us know what you want    tom

   
Actually just beaches.
  
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From: bowman@infonode.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: CO Recreation in Alabama? yeah right!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: rec.nude
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:39:11 GMT

	I have never visited a CO facility although I think it might be 
	interesting.  I have been reading some in this news group and 
	have yet to read ANY references to this state.  Are there such
	places in the Heart of Dixie?  What kind of laws are there
	concerning nudity etc.

				Tony
				bowman@infonode.ingr.com 
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From: sday@lacerta.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)
Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:55:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: sday@ariel.unm.edu

In article <1992Jul30.165004.11894@news.arc.nasa.gov>, watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC) writes:
> So, what were thoughs chemicals and/or nasty diseases 
> in hot springs that could cause us problems?

As I mentioned in an earlier posting, some of the hot springs in the Jemez
Mts. have a parasite that enters you body through the mucous membranes and
perhaps through open wounds.  I don't know the biological term for the 
little beast, but it is definitely deadly.  Nonetheless, you are safe if
you don't submerge your head into the waters.

Chemicals??  I heard that some springs (not in Jemez) might contain
sufficient amount of arsenic -- but that's only a worry if you are
somehow ingesting it.

> chow!
  ^^^^
  Hungry?

> John S. Watson, Civil Servent from Hell   ARPA: watson@ames.arc.nasa.gov

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From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Question to all
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:56:09 GMT

In article <s5cm3yj.tcumming@netcom.com> tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming) writes:
>In article <krikket.4681@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>> [ " the erection question " ]

>Yea, bring a friend (of a sex your not interested in, if there is one), bring
>some heavy reading material (I sugest Scientific American). If your
>"unwanted guest" arrives, roll over, and continue discusing "The strange world
>of quantum physics", or the "Living Stone Age arisans of New Guinea". Soon
>your "unwanted guest" will get bored and go away (as will your friend).

				what if you're turned on by quantum
physics ? 8^)= 8^)= 8^)=
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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Top-Free vs. ClariNet
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:34:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

comment on previous post:

actually, the top-free issue really belongs in .soc or .civil-rights.

these postings probably belong in .can.worms!

TRR
From: s884764@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash])
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sally Jesse Raphael show
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:59:22 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

In article <9207211941.AA00303@sun22b.mdd.comm.mot.com>, theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault) writes:
> Well, the Sally show on Monday (which I taped and watched specifically
> because of the topic) dealt with people who like to wear less and show
> more in public.

Firstly, I know it's probably not the right thing to do, but a tape of
this would be nice to have.....    Try emailing me?

Secondly, who produced this show? Someone like CNN, or whatever? Do they
have a mail address?

Ta.

Grant.
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From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Mail problems
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:41:13 GMT

To everyone who has been writing me:

I have received your mail.  Unfortunately there is something wrong with
our mailer.  Things come in but they wont go out!  To top it all, the
sysadmin is on vacation for 2 weeks!!

So, I'm not ignoring you.  It will just take me a few weeks before I
can respond.

My most sincere apologies.
Stephane


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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.165004.11894@news.arc.nasa.gov>, watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC) writes:
|> About two years ago we were hiking in Olympic National Park,
|> and we payed a visit to the famous Olympic Hot Springs.
|> 
|> Anyway, when we get there, there are signs about warning 
|> visitors about the nasty chemicals and/or disease (can't remember
|> exactly after two years ... maybe they are chemicals and/or disease
|> that effect the memory)	which abound in these murky pools.
|> 
|> So, what were thoughs chemicals and/or nasty diseases 
|> in hot springs that could cause us problems?

I haven't been, but a friend has, and he tells me that the bug in
question is a virus that attacks the frontal lobes of the brain,
reducing ones ability in the higher brain functions, expecially 
regarding the mores of society, and makes one yearn CO recreation. 
There's no known cure.

Really.

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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Getting naked
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:48:29 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.204127.666@afs.com>, Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) writes:
>In article <151hfiINN1bo@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM  
>(Richard M. Mathews) writes:
>> Why let even that small cloth weigh you down and constrain your motions?
>
>I was watching Olympic swimming last night (my goodness, they do fly through the  
>water!), and had the same thought, "Why do they wear their suits at all?"  I  
>guessed that it has something to do with slipping through the water more  
>quickly, because the suits they wear compress various body parts, thus making  
>the body silhouette more aero(hydro?)dynamic.  But, like wearing heavy coats in  
>cold winter areas, this is only clothing serving a specialized, useful purpose.   
>Without such a reason to wear clothes, we shouldn't have to.
>
Now, this is all from memory and hearsay, but I seem to remember a report some
years ago of tests by the East Germans that showed the men to swim faster when
nude and the women's performance to be affected by body build.  Also that
larger busted women complained about pain after the backstroke.

All hearsay, all from memory, and that's going downhill.  Anybody else remember
seeing any of this?
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: A survey
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <84197@netnews.upenn.edu>, stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein) writes:

> Actually, the distribution list
> talk.bizarre,rec.nude,soc.singles,soc.couples is a bit strange.  Isn't
> there an alt.sex?

They talk about anything BUT sex in alt.sex.

Terry
From: arkoff@techbook.com (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nude beaches/nightclubs in/near Portland?
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:54:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul30.065403.6945
Reply-To: arkoff@techbook.com (Gary Arkoff,,,,)
Distribution: pnw
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

Can anyone recomend a)  Good nude night clubs in Portland or b)  Good nude
beaches near Portland?  Please give directions if is it not readily obvious 
how to get there.

Thanks in advance,
Gary

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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Lake Wood Questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:25:40 GMT


Good question about the trails being CO. You could easily go
CO on the trails. The only people you'll run into are some
locals who already know about the CO area and tourists who go 
there specifically for the CO area. Since the official Park service
map doesn't show either an access road or a beach few "mainstream"
tourists would ever go there.
   
CB stands for Columbus.
   
To the couple planning to go up there in a few weeks, remember if
you follow the World Guide doirections it's 7 TENTHS of a mile from
the Hulls Cove main road not seven miles like the guide says.

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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Starting a Youth nudist group
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:37:18 GMT

(Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>Whoops. Looks like I might start a new thread ;)

Dammit! There are no threads here! This is rec.nude!

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From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: 'Selling' nudism
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:25:16 GMT
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <14hlkpINN260@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
|A group in Florida did this very effectively recently.  For National Nude
|Weekend they had a clothing drive for the needy.  The hook was "shed your
|clothes to provide clothing for those in need" and it made it to at least
|one San Diego t.v. news show.
|
|I think this would be an excellent way to get some good press for nudists.
|Maybe next year during NNW we can have a nationwide (or worldwide!) drive
|to collect clothes at nude beaches and resorts.  "Come on down to Blacks
|Beach, take your clothes off, throw them in a box for the needy, then enjoy
|the sun and go home naked!"
|
|[So, Pat O'Brien and TNS, are you out there?  Did you read this?  What
|say you?]
|
|[Steve Pierce, do you know what group did this?  The news did say it was
|in Florida but I don't remember where or who.]

Last night or the night before, I heard a report on CNN about a club in 
CA doing a similar clothing drive.  From what I heard, it was a clothing
drive for people who lost possesions due to the CA forest fires.  CNN
went on to mention that other nudist clubs across the country where having
similar clothing drives.

The report was presented professionaly and without the typical snickering
like the local newsheads.

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From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Non-nudist comments
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <gk78019@pro-harold.cts.com>, leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee
Dronick) writes:
|>Actaully cods refers to nuts. It's old word not much in vogue, guess I was
|>just showing my age :)

Cod, as in codpiece... out of fashion since 1700 or so?  Of course, in
some circles nudity has been out of fashion since 4003 B.C., or so :(
             
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From: jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:44:01 GMT
Reply-To: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

>C'mon, Stephane, lighten up.  ..........

>Unlike you, I'm going to avoid calling the words of one poster a 
>demonstration of "one of the main problems of our society."  It's one of
>those vague generalizations that thinking people avoid. .....



No, no Stephanie, don't lighten up.  I think your post was well done
and to the point.  That was no vague generalization, it was an astute
observation made by a thinking person.  The words of that "one poster"
are indeed indicitive to some major problems of society, regardless
whether that person was moved by immaturity or not.  It was pretty clear
that you meant that the problem was that some men hide behind the excuse
that men "have no control over their sexual urges", and that leads to
unfair and unjust treatment of women in some cases.  

Here's hoping you will keep posting despite the fact that no matter
what you write, there is always someone who will jump all over you
for it.


Jim P.


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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Top-Free vs. ClariNet
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:01:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Well, I suppose that I expect more from the news medium which, I hope,
will soon provide me with speedy, reliable news.  But I realize that
it is probably too much for any of the established news media channels
to move into the present era.  I'm not really blaming ClariNet, it's
doubtless UPI or another source.  But, even being the incredible stodge
I am, I would never have looked for the item under .sex.  My news filter
would have been set to .rec for the item.

Somehow, it just doesn't belong in the same category with man/boy
love, gay/lesbian rights, rapes and all the other "sex" stuff...

Oh, well, just one person's opinion.


TRR    WB6BYH

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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:20 GMT

From article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr>, by s_mesbah@engr:
> .... I am 100%
> heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
> control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
> would drive me nuts!  Just curious

I don't believe this.  Hundreds of people on the beach all controlling
their sex drives, and this one is different!?  The only answer to that
fantasy I can think of is more fantasy, so fantasize with me.

Imagine this scene.  You are on a beach with lots of people, some of
them female, more of them male, most of them nude, in a variety of
shapes, sizes, and ages.  Most of the females are paired with males.
You find an agreeable unpaired female and she says "OK, but not
here."  You push, she yells, and three or four males come over, lift
you off the sand, and carry you (hopefully along with your clothes) to
the exit.  Can you control your sex drive now?

I don't mean to offend females.  I'm sure three or four nude females
could carry you off the beach just as well.  But the image of nude
males doing it is (to a heterosexual, homophobic male) much less
erotic, to say the least, so that's the fantasy I suggested.

Anyway, I don't see what being heterosexual has to do with it.  If you
were homosexual and inches away from penetrating whatever sex you like
to penetrate, I would imagine it would be just as nuts-driving.  When
you imply that homosexuals can control their sex drive, but
heterosexuals can't, you are insulting all heterosexuals.  As a
heterosexual male, I resent that.

Actually, it's not true.  I was on a beach once where a homosexual
male, apologetically, couldn't resist the urge to hug me.  I didn't
mind.  It didn't do anything for me, and if he liked it, the net
transaction was positive.  But one hug is not overt sexuality, and
certainly not penetration.

Note this, too.  Your clothing is less than inches thick, so when you
are clothed you are also inches away from penetrating.  You are
actually far from penetrating in any case, because penetrating (unless
you plan to get away with rape) requires consent, and you're not
likely to get consent to penetration in public.

Get real.  Get to the beach, shuck your clothes, and relax.

							Marty
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From: tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New York, Nudity, and Women
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:22:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <151o42INNpjr@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
[ talk of women being gawked at...]
>
>Of course I could be wrong, it would be nice if some of the women in the group
>stated how they feel about looks (offended? threatened? other?).  I am not
>saying that staring is necessarily a threat.  What I am saying is that staring

    Yea, why is it that most of the talk about this issue is coming from men?
I would expect to be seeing more fired up posts from women. This (top-free)
issue is mainly a womens issue, where are you women???

Tom (all ears) Cumming.