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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:16:32 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1bmlifINN79k@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer) writes:
>
>>But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
>>carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
>>or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
>>and that is effective?
> 
>     If you dressed it up to look like a walking stick, a Jo can 
>be rather inconspicuous.  

Many jurisdictions have laws against carrying "cudgels" or "clubs". Unless
you can manage to limp *real* convincingly you might find yourself in 
a fair amount of trouble over this...

>Tonfa or folding Kama fit under a 
>trenchcoat.  Guissari will fit in a (largish) pocket (or in the 
>butt of a Guissari-Kama).

This will almost certainly land you in the slammer. If you're going to
go to jail for carrying a concealed weapon anyway, why fool around? Get
a shotgun. It fits under a trenchcoat, too. ;-) Just ask anyone who's
robbed a 7-11 with one. BTW, police tend to get *very* nervous around
young males with trenchcoats for this very reason.

Look, if you get in a fight with an unarmed (to use your phrase) "drunken, 
obnoxious redneck" and you use a lethal weapon, it's felony time. 
You are going to go to prison. Should you have the misfortune to kill
the dumb bastard, the simple act of carrying some outlandish piece of
lethal hardware will probably be enough to elevate the offense from
manslaughter to at least 2nd degree murder. You'll go to prison (where
you'll probably end up sharing a cell with the redneck's overly affectionate
cousin), and the rest of us will have to put up with another bunch of 
"karate killer" stories in the press and another round of restrictive
legislation. The thought of this makes us a little testy - some of us
have been putting up with this kind of sensationalistic crap for over
20 years and we're *tired* of it. If you *must* get yourself into 
situations where somebody is going to get mangled, please do it in a
manner that *won't* fuck over the rest of us, ok?

If said redneck *is* armed, the weapon of choice will probably be
a gun - if it's not a pistol then it'll most likely be the 12 gauge
on the rack in his pickup truck. Medieval weapons don't work too well
against firearms - check the outcome of the Boxer Rebellion if you have
any doubts.

By the way, the Japanese word for "chain" is "kusari". When it's the second
part of a compound, it's pronounced (and written in romaji) "gusari".

Steve
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Stop it! (was Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos))
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:18:08 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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>Subject: Re: Stop it! (was Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos))
 
>>How about it, anybody know of any training available near the University of
>>Indiana?
>
>Yes, we do have here at IU hapkido, judo, t'ai chi, kendo, tae kwon do, aikido,
>and other stuff.  I'm just hesitant on going for a university class, as opposed
>to a commercial thing.  Are the school's classes very good?
 
     Dunno 'bout IU, but I learned Shotokan Karate at DeAnza JC, 
and the training quality was at least as good as the Okinawan 
Kobujutsu training I recieved from the dojo.
 
     For the sort of situations you're looking at, I'd suggest 
studying one grappling art and one striking art, like Judo and 
Kendo (and carry an innocuous-looking stick around).
 
                                                      -- TTK
From: heinzl@elroy (Heinz Lottermoser)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Hip Damage, legs too strong...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:36:12 GMT
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Hello,
	I have a problem you people might help with.  I was a cyclist for
several years, and I have "very" well developed musculature in my legs for
vertical movement up and down(i.e. cycling movements), but recently when
I began MA, I started what I thought was a slow program to increase the 
mobility in my legs for lateral and circular movements by slow stretching 
and slow kicking.  So far so good.  However, we have what is called 
"skills class" which is an hour spent basically going over what you know
and pushing your body to it's limit to up the limits.  You know 100 push ups
in a an hour and 200 varying kicks from slow to hard in intensity.  

Anyway, I have been to a couple of the classes and now I can barely walk.  
It seems that my leg muscles for vertical movement are too strong, and 
the slow stretches and kicks are causing my leg bone to cantilever over
into my hip socket, badly.  I am getting distinct cartilege damage and 
tendonitis.  

My teachers seem to be used to people with little muscular development, not 
abnormal over-development, and suggest that I do slow form kicks to strengthen
the muscles and loosen them, but I am not getting any stretch this way, since
the muscles anchor the leg too low and I can't get a slow side kick up above
two feet when extended.  Same for a slow forward thrust kick.

Does anyone have a suggestion for what I could do, to get the stretch?  
I feel like I need to strengthen the muscles on the outside of the leg and
the groin mucsles going from the inside of the thigh to the outside of the
hip in order to offset the cantilevering, but I don't know of any good
excercises for this.

Well thanx for the help in advance...
From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:49:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct8.214909.16440
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.200406.20151@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
>>Overall Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu is different then Aikido in the following ways:
>>-Techniques tie an opponent into knots with his own limbs.(hard to describe
>>on the net, but an interesting experince)
>>-Hard-style breakfalls
>>-Lots of Atemi (all pins end with strikes)
>>-Instant pain
>>-Use of names instead of numbers to describe techniques
>>-Techniques that go against the joint
>
>Another general thing I noticed was that the techniques tend to be smaller and
>more sharply applied.  The equivalent movements to 'Ikkyo' in Aikido, 
>for example, instead of pushing the elbow in a large circle around the 
>shoulder (as one typical variant), would cut it sharply down and toward
>the body, with the result of sudden pain and loss of balance rather than
>a smooth circular neutralization.  
>
>>-Brian Young

Aikidoka here: I think you are describing ikkyo-as-kata, which is admittedly 
95+ % of our practice. There is, however, ikkyo-as-technique (meaning combat
application) which explicitly includes atemi (to the knees or kidneys, say), 
sharp hyperflexion of the elbow joint, and, after the take-down, any number of 
possible strikes, kicks, breaks, and pins. We are instructed during 
ikkyo-as-kata to be mindful of all of these other possibilities (at the 
same time we are asked be mindful of the form at the heart of techniques --
Yeesh!). 
Disclaimer #1: exposure to this aspect of Aikido waza is highly dependent on 
the instructor's interest and background; 
Disclaimer #2: this is clearly not necessarily the fastest way to learn 
ikkyo-as-technique; maybe it's not even the best!


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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: ISO: Vegetarian Martial Artists
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:07:12 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

In article <60978@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

	Are there any other vegetarian martial artists out there?

depends.  do white belts count as meat?

;->

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:12:48 GMT
    <13694@pogo.wv.tek.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <13694@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>In article <60904@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>>long as the title was bestowed upon him/her by a "proper" authority. I know
>>that no one in the style I belong to just up and awarded themself the title
>>of "Sempai" or "Sensei" or "Shihan" or "Kaicho". 
> 
These are not my words.

>    Why do we English speakers continue to hang such mystic
>    and power upon such Japanese words?  I find it amusing 
>    that sempai is a title.  It only means that you are a senior
>    student.  Kind of like being a Junior in college.  You are
>    a sempai to the Freshmen and Sophmores but only a kohei to 
>    the Seniors.   Sensei only means teacher, granted a lot is
>    implied by calling comeone the sensei of a MA organization.
>
>
I, for one, do not "hang such mystic and power" on Japanese.  I also find it
silly to see some master of street-ryu karate running around barking
Japanese words - it brings to mind Merton's story about the religious 
significance of the bound cat.

But Japanese is a subtle, fluid language, in which one word can mean many 
things and have shades of meaning - at least that is what I recall
(and perhaps all) from my study of the language long ago.  So I don't
think it unreasonable to believe that a word such as "sensei", although
literally meaning "teacher, may connote more than its literal meaning.
Indeed Steven Seagal (flame invite, neh?) makes this point the word
"sensei" in a book, Aikido for Beginners" (not authored by SS).  
I would presume that Seagal, who lived in Japan, apparently 
speaks Japanese, and does seem to hold the grade of 6 dan, has a better
understanding of these things than I.

Charles Yeomans
cyeomans@ms.uky.edu
yeomans@austin.onu.edu
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:29:12 GMT

In article <Bw8I62.134@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@blackfoot.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <lduc8cINNn5g@west.west.sun.com> garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM writes:
>>	to break the circle, how to deal with multiple attackers, learn how to
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	dodge bullets.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Excuse me?  What is this, Remo Williams?

While you certainly can't dodge bullets, there are defenses against a 
gun: Get into very close in fighting, and move so that the gun isn't
pointing in your direction. Not that this is all that effective, but
it is alot better than giving the gunman an easy shot...

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: *** Advice sought on Wing Chun ***
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:41:15 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <1bj6jeINNf8k@uwm.edu>, Marty writes:
 
 N> > WC uses punches, grabs, fingerjabs, lowlevel kicks etc. etc.
 N> > Well trained WC practitioners are very skilled in-fighters, and will allmost
 N> > always pull themselves to you. One weakness I found in my training hall was
 N> > that the training started to get more tournament-oriented, but that could
 N> > differ from dojo to dojo.
 N> 
 N> Differn't terminology, but WC is Chinese, and is generally learned in
 N> a Kwoon.  The only reason I'm brining this up is because it leads me
 N> to wonder if you had authentic WC training.
 
 I don't know if my training was authentic. I learned a lot of it, and the
 techniques worked. The reason I used the word 'dojo' instead of 'kwoon',
 is that i've been training a japanese martial art for the last 8 years or so,
 and I'm now used to using that word.
 
 N> > Not at all. In fact, one of the excercises I liked most when I was training
 N> > WC, was sparring blindfolded. WC relies very much on touching & feeling.
 N> > There an excersise called 'sticky hands' or chi-sao in which you do nothing 
 N> > else than feeling the other guys hands/arms for an opening.
 N>  
 N> Interesting.  Do you mean you did two handed Chi Sau blindfolded?
 
 Also, but we also sparred blindfolded (punching, kicking and grappling allowed
 but no elbows to the face).
 
 N> That's usually not done after awhile, and from you explinations, it
 N> doesn't sound like you were in it long enough to be at the level.
   
 I don't know, I only trained for about 3-4 years, and the blindfolded training
 began after 2 years. Maybe my teacher was racing it ? Anyway, I gave up on
 WC about 9 years ago, because I didn't think it was good enough for my self-
 defence (I learned that the hard way).  
 Thanks for the corrections,
 
              Theo
              
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From: erlingp@stud.cs.uit.no (Erling Paulsen)
Subject: Re: Oyama
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:41:35 GMT

Ousu!!!

I'm a member of The Worldwide Kyokushinkai-Kan, I've trained for about 7 years
and have the rank of Shodan. I'm sorry I didn't see your message before, but I've
recently joined this group. I train in a club called Tromso Karate Club, I saw
another of our Sempais replied to your note too.

You're very brief in your note.. So Stephan, give me a mail if you're interested 
in further Kyokushintalk... Domo.

Erling..

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From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Subject: Re: Radio Communications in the DOJO
Organization: loral western development labs
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:15:26 GMT


> Did you ever find out WHY they were doing it????
Reason:
They say that its to hard to get all the instuctors attention at one time.
And the radios allows the head instructor to be in contact with all the 
other instructors with out having to get off her but!

Thanks for the reply all let you know how long the radios last!

Tim
(Disclaimer; once again these are my thoughts)

In article <MARY.92Oct9151331@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.162643.23455@wdl.loral.com> tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan) writes:
> 
>    Does anybody elses, studio have radio communications in there Dojos?
> 
> No...and our school's a lot bigger than yours, sounds like.
> 
> Did you ever find out WHY they were doing it????
> 
> How bizarre.
> --
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From: Randy_A_Winney@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Steven Seagal
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 06:21:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Oct9.004516.16598@nas.nasa.gov>

In article <g90p4494.7.718375168@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g90p4494@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR CG PACELLA) write
s:
|> In the September 1992 issue of Black Belt magazine there was an article "In 
|> Defence of Steven Seagal".  In the article there was a paragraph or two on 
|> Seagal at an Aikido seminar in California.  Does anybody know where aikidoka 
|> can get in touch with Seagal for training?  I heard he has a dojo in Japan 
|> and the US, but have no idea where in the USA.  Can anybody help?  I'd like 
|> to get in touch with him....
|> 
|> C.P.
|> Rhodes University
|> South Africa

-- 
  From Aikido Today Magazine (Summer 92):
    Steven Seagal's Aikido Ten Shin Dojo is moving from its current
    location in Hollywood to 1634 17th St., Santa Monica, CA 90404.
    The phone number is (213)657-2266.

--
Randy Winney    winney@dal.mobil.com
Mobil Exploration & Technology Center
Dallas, Texas
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:41:54 GMT
	<POPOVICH.92Oct12031028@morningside.cs.columbia.edu>
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	<1992Oct12.173013.2298@craycos.com>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: sog@craycos.com's message of 12 Oct 92 17:30:13 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.173013.2298@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Snotnosed AI Masquerading for a Human) writes:

   In article <MARY.92Oct12094701@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
   >
   >In article <POPOVICH.92Oct12031028@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
   >
   >   >	Can anyone tell me what style of karate Miyagi teaches Larusso in 
   >   >the karate kid movies? I happen to watch part of 'Karate Kid III' the other
   >
   >   I think it's called "movie-do" :-).  If anybody knows about an actual
   >   style with any substantial resemblance to the stuff in the Karate Kid
   >   movies, I'd like to hear about it, too.  I always wondered if maybe
   >   the makers of these movies intended for the Karate to be Goju-like,
   >   because they named their "sensei" Miyagi :-).  Of course, what they
   >   intended and what actually happened may very well be two completely
   >   different things.
   >	   -Steve
   >
   >I heard from somewhere that the fight trainers for the first movie were
   >TKDists, but don't quote me on that.  Don't know about II or III.

   Snort! Gag! Right, O mohawked one...especially that noted TKD-ist,
   Fumio Demura ;-).

*pffft* at you, Gombosihopper...I just said "I heard."  I should have 
added, "...but I doubt it, since none of 'em could kick their way out
of a paper bag."  Hee hee hee.

[lotsa geeky Okinawan stuff deleted]

   Actually, I'm pretty sure the "bad guys" in the third flick were
   TKDistas,  which (he says ducking for cover) seems perfectly apropos ;-).

   Steve

You don't have to duck far, Steve...remember, TKDists are incapable of
kicking below the eyebrows.

*crunch*<thud>,

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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 4 Elements in Ninpo/Ninjutsu traditions ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:41:02 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <1992Oct14.132528.4858@PA.dec.com>, Todd I. Stark writes:

 S> My question is whether this also invalidates the 4 element scheme
 S> (well 5, but later esoteric interpretations of the Greek scheme use 5, also)
 S> used in what Stephen Hayes and others write about in Togakure Ninpo and
 S> similar traditions.
 S> 
 S> Did he or his teacher Dr. Hatsumi make up the scheme or is it unique to
 S> Hatsumi's inherited tradition, or is their 4 element scheme legitimately
 S> found somewhere in the roots of Ninjutsu, from Chinese or Indian philosophy
 S> somewhere ?   The four elements are ubiquitous of course in Western
 S> philosophy, but how did the modern Ninja folks come to adopt them ?

 As far as I know, Ninjutsu uses two element-schemes :
 - earth, water, fire, air and void
 - earth, wood, metal, fire, and water
 
 The first elements are used most often, the tai-jutsu is build around them :
 earth  techinques whereby you 'hold your ground'
 water  techniques where you retreat and come back
 fire   dynamic techniques wherby you advance towards your opponent
 air    techniques wherby you avoid you opponent a lot
 void   a combination of the previous 4 and more

 The other elements are also used, at least in some tactical teachings, maybe
 more, I'm no expert.
 Sorry if the descriptions aren't that clear, but I'm not that good in 
 explaining.
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From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:43 +0000


byoung@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian P Young) says ........

> Overall Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu is different then Aikido in the following ways:
> -Techniques tie an opponent into knots with his own limbs.(hard to describe
> on the net, but an interesting experince)
> -Hard-style breakfalls
> -Lots of Atemi (all pins end with strikes)
> -Instant pain
> -Use of names instead of numbers to describe techniques
> -Techniques that go against the joint
>
Ueshiba did say that Aikido is 95% Atemi and Irimi ..
Although I have never experienced it personally I understand that
free practice with our club Sensei is wierd because you get hit a lot
of times during the techniques application.

Instant Pain is a strange one ..... can you elaborate please.

Techniques that go against the joint ... a lot of the Nage we a re
shown .. if applied fast would shatter the joints quite fast .. they
are only practiced slowly because of this danger.

Aurelio
From: cwc2328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (C. Chou)
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Reply-To: cwc2328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.030851.12077@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>My style of bagua (Sun's) describes it's eight forms by analogy to 
>animals. Lion, bear, monkey, etc... all make sense to me, and the
>analogy is quite usefull. However, in three cases, the analogy isn't
>helpfull at all: Dragon, pheonix and unicorn (which I understand doesn't
>translate well, being very different from the western unicorn...)
>Does anyone have any information on these mythical animals are
>like in the Chinese tradition? 
>
>                                               Frank Crary
>                                               CU Boulder
I don't know too much, and maybe someone can add to this but here goes:
The Chinese unicorn actually has TWO horns, and is called a chi-lin. It looks
more like a goat crossed with a lion or something. And I believe it appeared to
one of the Khans (can't remember Kublai or Genghis) when he was conquering his
way to the West.

The dragon is a very YANG animal, and its realm is the air. Its yin side is the
snake. They both have very auspicious characteristics, just one is more
internal than the other (snake is more internal).

And I don't know too much about the phoenix in Chinese mythology.

Hope it helps, though.....

C. Chou
Rochester, NY
From: rob@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Lookin for books on Goju
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:30:51 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: rob@woodyw.austin.ibm.com


Sensei Morio Higaonna, Cheif instructor of the International Okinawan
Goju Ryu Karate-Do Federation has written 4 Volumes on the subject.
In addition he has a video series produced by Panther Videos.

Higaonna Sensei currently resides in San Marcos California.
For information regarding the books/videos or IOGKF affiliated dojos
in the USA contact his dojo:

	Institute of Traditional Karate
	(619) 744-6633
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