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From: milton@solomon.technet.sg (Milton Choo)
Subject: Mailing List Maintenance Software
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:14:06 GMT


Hello,

I need to maintain a large mailing list, for about thousands of
people across different mailing system, eg even to bitnet,or
janet etc.

I had tried elm's alias, but i need something more powerful than
that, which "referably" though not necessary, have some of these
features:

1. can be use to automatically subscribe user
2. and unsubscribe them automatically  if they bounce back the mail

I am running DEC MIPS ULTRIX 4.2A

Any pointer to any public domain software will be appreciated very
much, and this is reasonably urgent.

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Technet Unit, Computer Centre
National University of Singapore     Tel: (65) 772-6523
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: potucek@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (R.Potucek)
Subject: Short address bounces ...
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:51:33 GMT


I have the following problem:

At our local computer pool mail will work properly, when it is given an
address of the form <user@local-host.local-net.net.country>. If however
the <local-host> is omitted, the mail will bounce with <host unknown>.

Is there any way I can fix that (without being supervisor)? If not, is
there a way to get around the problem by simply forcing the local mail
demon to send the mail to <somewhere> and let <somewhere> be bothered
with looking up addresses and delovering the mail correctly?

I'd appreciate answers, as it is a pain in the neck to be unable to
reply to people mailing.
				Rudolf



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Rudolf Potucek jr.                                 |  A quitter never wins,
University of Wuerzburg                            |  A winner never quits,
                                                   |  but it takes a Human to
potucek@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de         |     quit in time
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Coverting PROFS mail to MS-MAIL format...
Organization: York University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:12:44 GMT

dan@homer.alisa.com (Dan Morgan) writes:
|Are you converting to MS-Mail PC or MS-Mail macintosh?

  Alas, neither (:-)) 
  Almost certainly MS-Mail Windows. Possibly one or more of the others
if we find we have a ``legacy systems'' effect we didn't predict.

--dave (peripherally involved) c-b
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@CCS.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | York Postmaster and
CANADA. 416-223-8968  | occasional email consultant.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: bob@cs.su.oz.au (Bob Kummerfeld)
Subject: WANTED: msdos mail user agent with UUCP transport
Reply-To: bob@cluster.cs.su.oz (Bob Kummerfeld)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:22:38 GMT

Does anyone know of mail user agent for PCs that can use a UUCP package
such as UUPC for message transport? 

I know UUPC has a mail program but it's too Unix-like for PC people. I
also know about Tmail, but it isn't very powerful.

Something like POPmail would be great.

Bob.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Fullname in Keywords: 
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND


In article <1992Nov18.164841.9044@progress.com>, header writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
|> I've noticed two ways by which mail readers see a "Full name" of a sender
|> from mail received:
|> 
|> From: tucker@bedford.progress.com (Kyle Tucker)
|> &
|> From: "Kyle Tucker" <tucker@bedford.progress.com>
|> 
|> Is there a name for this Fullname field and is it documented in an RFC? I
|> looked in 822 and found the references to it kinda vague. Anyway, my goal
|> here is to find out if I have a legitimate gripe againts two companies
|> that send mail out without these fields as many users are complaining
|> that they can't easily figure out who sent the mail because of the horrible
|> userids allowed by some System Administrators.
    
In RFC 1123 the following change to RFC 822 is made:

	5.2.15  RFC-822 Syntax Change: RFC-822 Section 6.1

         The syntactic definition of "mailbox" in RFC-822 is hereby
         changed to:

            mailbox =  addr-spec            ; simple address
                    / [phrase] route-addr   ; name & addr-spec

         That is, the phrase preceding a route address is now OPTIONAL.
         This change makes the following header field legal, for
         example:

             From: <craig@nnsc.nsf.net>

This means that these are all legal addresses:

From: tucker@bedford.progress.com (Kyle Tucker)
From: "Kyle Tucker" <tucker@bedford.progress.com>
From: <tucker@bedford.progress.com>

I'd agree that adding the full name in some form is a good idea but I'm afraid
you can't use the standards as a stick.
From: j-germuska@nwu.edu (Joe Germuska)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: pointer to digest?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:34:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov18.183432.28415
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Originator: germuska@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

About 18 months ago, I was pointed to a mail digestifyer that has served me
quite well.  However, I neglected to keep the source, or the address for
the pointer.  I believe the program is just known as "digest" -- at least,
that's what the executable is called.  Anyway, if anyone can point me to
the proper ftp site for that program, it'd be much appreciated (or, at
worst, point to other digestifiers?)

Thanks in advance,
	Joe
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|   Joe Germuska   |   j-germuska@nwu.edu   |   (708) 869-0354   |
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3758 comp.mail.headers:353
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.headers
Subject: Semantic Difference Between Reply-To and Return-Path?
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:28:12 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

Can someone explain the semantic difference between the two RFC-822
headers Reply-To and Return-Path?

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3734 comp.misc:4343
From: wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Compu$pend batch downloader/uploader
Summary: what programs
Keywords: PC, on-line services, batch..
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews Abusers - Beltway Annex
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

{Gee, there is no comp.compu$pend newsgroup ;-}

A friend is headed overseas, where even local calls will cost by
the minute. I'm looking for any programs that would allow him to
download & upload mail to the local port.

Suggestions and sources of them, please...

[Yes, I'm trying to talk him into getting a Net account, too/instead..]
-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.....wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu 
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
From: dan@willamette.edu (Dan Revel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing List (like for a music group...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:53:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.Bxz2xC.8qr
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

In article <1egd2jINNom8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman) writes:
>How and where (on what system) might one go about starting a mailing list. 

One package is called listserv and it is available via anonymous
ftp:

cs.bu.edu:/pub/listserv/listserv5.5.sh.Z

It appears to do all sorts of useful things: digests, moderated lists, etc.
It will probably require the cooperation of your system administrator to
get things installed and running.

I have also hearcd of 'almanac' and 'MajorDomo' (try using archie to
find 'em) but I don't know much about them.

Of course you could use procmail to filter your mail.
-- 
--
Dan Revel (dan@willamette.edu)		GO			Nullum
Network and Technical Services		BLAZERS!		Gratuitum
Willamette University			RIP CITY!!		Prandium
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3713 comp.sources.wanted:5077
From: aras@multix.no (Arne Asplem)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: WANTED: POP-2/POP-3 server for System V
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:46:41 GMT
Organization: Multix AS, Oslo, Norway
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peacock.multix.no

I'm looking for a POP-2/POP-3 server for System V Release 3.2
(actually Interactive SVR3.2 V3.01). So far I've been looking at 
popper - but this version is written for BSD'ish UNIX, and need's 
some porting. I don't want to reinvent the wheel - is there a version
that will compile on SVR3 directly ?

  -- Arne
-- 
//  Arne Asplem    //  Office:    Gjerdrums vei 12, N-0486 Oslo, Norway  //
//  Multix A/S     //  Phone/fax: +47-2-950800 / 950790                  //
//                 //  Email:     aras@multix.no                         //
//  NUUG Chairman  //  Email:     aras@nuug.no                           //
From: eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Edgar Kleindinst)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: local mail delivery problem
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:50:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.1992Nov16.215028.20899
Reply-To: eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
Organization: NOAA - National Marine Fisheries


It seems that our mailhost is sending all mail to the relay host regardless if it
is local or not. Can anybody clue me into the class that would instruct it to 
deliver local mail without going thru the relay host, or the class that is telling
it to do that? In the client it is OR, but there is no OR in the mailhost sendmail.cf
Any help would be apreciated.....

---
          			   	  eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tkolasny@scholia.wbme.jhu.edu (Anthony Kolasny)
Subject: Popmail - 3C503 Driver Error
Keywords: popmail, 3C503
Reply-To: tkolasny@scholia.wbme.jhu.edu
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Dept. of Biomedical Engineering
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:04:54 GMT


	I installed popmail-3.0 on a IBM XT runing 3.0 using the 3c503
driver with no problems.  The machine I had a problems with is a 386 100%  
IBM compatible running DOS 5.0 which has a 3c503 interface board.  When I 
try to instal the 3c503 driver using:

  3c503 0x7e 3 0x300 1

the following message is returned: 

  Packet driver for 3-Com 3C503, version 9.4.0
  Portions Copyright 1989, Robert C. Clements, K1BC
  Packet driver skeleton copyright 1988-91, Russell Nelson
  This program is free software; see the file COPYING for details.
  NO WARRANTY; see the file COPYING for details

  Packet driver is at segment 0D4B
  Using 80[123]86 I/O instructions.
  Shared RAM on 3C503 card is defective or there is an address conflict.
  Interrupt number 0x3 (3)
  I/O port 0x300 (768)
  Using the built-in transceiver (thinwire)
  My Ethernet address is 02:60:8C:4C:FC:57

I tried the 3Com board on the PC and it worked fine. Then I changed the 
memory base address trying each segment number (c800, cc00, d800 and dc00)
to check for a conflict on the 386, no success.

Any information as to why this isn't working is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Anthony Kolasny

tkolasny@scholia.wbme.jhu.edu
Johns Hopkins University, Biomedical Engineering Dept.




Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: monster@athena.mit.edu (David Y Son)
Subject: access to Prodigy users?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:05:12 GMT


Is there a way to send mail to Prodigy users?  Or is that system totally isolated
from the Internet?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave
monster@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: Any Public-Domain cc:Mail Gateways Available By FTP?
Reply-To: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:33:11 GMT

In article <BxMozD.496@sti.com>, westes@sti.com (Will Estes) wrote:
>Does anyone know of an anon ftp site for a cc:Mail gateway to anything
>(preferably to SMTP) that includes source?

Alan Marshall at Proteon <acm@proteon.com> has written a
cc:Mail to SMTP gateway which uses cc:Mail's import/export
programs to interface to the cc:Mail database.  His gateway
comes with C sources.  The gateway also requires the use of
a third-party SMTP server, like the one in FTP Software's
PC/TCP product, to speak SMTP to the network.

...Sam
-- 
<skl@wimsey.bc.ca> -- Connectivity Technology Inc.
From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga [Postmaster])
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a way to get stock, commodity etc. quotes via email?
Keywords: 
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:07:00 EST
Organization: Megalith Mail/News Server

Quoted from <ACSvd2h8Q9@ct.perm.su> by kes@ct.perm.su (Eugene S. Kolonsky):
> 
>        Friends, does anybody know a way to get quotes by email? 
>   I know about CompuServe, Progidy and so on but I can't use on-line.
>  I have been looking for such a beast for 3 weeks - but all my efforts
>  were futile. It's hard to believe that there is NO services releasing
>  finansial and marketing information. HeLp me please !
> 
>  Thanks in advance,

	Clarinet offers such a service, but not as mail.  They
offer it through Usenet.  It is a pay service though.

Carlos
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: dxmail on ULTRIX
Reply-To: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:20:27 GMT


If I have an address

		something!else%host.UUCP@domain

while it is ugly, and I'd rather die than generate such an address, the
assumption is that "domain" will handle what is on the right hand side and
if it generated it, it must be able to handle it. 

While all of this is ugly, it is allowed because it is on the
left of the @ sign.  There is only one way to handle the above address.
Send it to "domain" for "domain" to handle "something!else%host.UUCP" however
it wants to. It is not a question of defined or undefined.  I have no
business looking at what is clearly the localpart of the address.

The case in question was a sendmail.cf that erroneously looked at this address
and decided it should go to "something".  This is wrong.  The sendmail.cf
in question actually took the address (again, using the above example) and
changed it to

	something!else%host.UUCP<@domain>

correctly focusing on "domain" and then decided, no, there is a bang in
there so then it changed it to the erroneous:

	else%host.UUCP@domain<@something.UUCP>

Based on that, it sent it via the wrong transport to the wrong host.  The
corrected sendmail.cf that I sent fixed this problem.

The point is that anything to the left of the @ is up to the host to the
right of the @ to handle.  You -- and the ultrix sendmail.cf shipped with
the product -- are breaking the rules.  You are peaking.  No peaking allowed.
From: kes@ct.perm.su (Eugene S. Kolonsky)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Is there a way to get stock, commodity etc. quotes via email?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:33:16 GMT
Reply-To: kes@ct.perm.su
Organization: Computer Technologies, Russia


       Friends, does anybody know a way to get quotes by email? 
  I know about CompuServe, Progidy and so on but I can't use on-line.
 I have been looking for such a beast for 3 weeks - but all my efforts
 were futile. It's hard to believe that there is NO services releasing
 finansial and marketing information. HeLp me please !

 Thanks in advance,

 
     __/    __/   __/ __/__/  __/__/__/     Eugene St. Kolonsky
    __/  __/     __/         __/            E-mail: kes@ct.perm.su
   __/__/       __/__/__/   __/__/__/       
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:57:58 GMT

Steve_Cole@forge.uucp (Steve Cole) writes:

Steve-

Read me.. you have the same name is, er as my unclke in DC. Drop me a line

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: cisml@world.std.com (Marty Lebowitz)
Subject: Telcomm Question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:45:55 GMT


Can anyone suggest the names (and phone #'s) of some telecomm 
companies involved in development of either fiber-in-the-loop 
technology, or optical networks, or possibly a good source 
reference?

Marty


Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: What features would _you_ like in a mailer?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:12:37 GMT

In article <BxtpM2.3tE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> erisande@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kryst the Philosopher) writes:
>
>>Any replies in any form whatsoever will be appreciated.

Something I haven't seen anyone mention yet is reliability with archive
and recall capability.  This can be important in commercial environments.
I'm running home-rolled version of an old message system that provides
this.  Although I've added gateways in and out to mailers I haven't
completely replaced it yet, largely because of this function.  The
sender supplies a sequence number in the header which once upon a time
had to be correct (starting from 1 each day) but now those are mostly
ignored and a "real" input sequence number is assigned as a message
is received.  As the message is delivered an output sequence is assigned
to it, and at the end of the day a message is generated showing how
many messages were received and delivered for each station so everyone
can tell if they miss or lose any (not too long ago most of the
stations sent directly to a printer).   There is a simple command to
recall any message by it's input or output station name, date, and
sequence number (input or output).   A few days of activity are always
on line for quick access, then we archive the input data and
the output logs needed and can still recall any message through
the system for the previous year or so.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Mailing List (like for a music group...)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:49:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu




How and where (on what system) might one go about starting a mailing list. 
I know that I could do it manually -- have people send mail to me and I
would manually forward it out to the list.  How might I do it automatically
-- people post to the list via mail and it is distributed out.  Would this
necessarily require a separate email address for people to mail to (other
than my own, which I might like to get personal mail on)?

What software might enable me to do this (like only forwarding out mail
that has a subject line: "FOR THE LIST" or something to that effect?  What
other options might I have?

Thanks
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: mailer trouble at APPLE?!?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:40:31 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


	for several days I get all mail sent to addresses  at APPLE
	or at APPLELINK bounced back with an error "Local configuration error"
	(including all attempts to contact some administrative address)

	does anyone know anything about this? (someone at Apple, please
	comment and/or inform your admin. thanks)
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: chappell@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Glenn Chappell)
Subject: Easy (?) mailing list questions
Reply-To: chappell@math.uiuc.edu (Glenn Chappell)
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:08:24 GMT

I'm (re)writing some software to handle a mailing list, and I have a
couple of simple questions:

(1) When a message is sent to the list address, it is echoed (after a
bit of processing) to everyone on the list. I would like to keep the
original "To:" and "Cc:" lines (currently I don't) on the echoed message.

I know I can do this by putting the "To:" and "Cc:" lines from the
incoming message into the outgoing message, then handing it over to
sendmail and giving the *real* recipient to sendmail on the command line.

My question: Is this a legitimate thing to do?

A message may get sent to the list address, mom & dad and the family
dog. The echoed message will *look* like it's going to mom & dad and the
family dog, but it is really going to a person on the list. Is there any
chance that some site out there will take the "To:" line literally and
send the message to the family dog?

(2) I don't want to echo bounced mail to the people on the list. So, I
need to be able to distinguish bounced mail from regular mail. Is there
an official way to do this? My current method (which has correctly
recognized all bounced mail for the past year) is to grep the "From:"
line of all incoming messages for one of the following 14 strings:

MAILER-DAEMON@
MAILER-DAEMON>
Mailer-Daemon@
Mailer-Daemon>
MAILER@
MAILER>
uucp@
uucp>
postmaster@
postmaster>
computer_services@
computer_services>
mmdf@
mmdf>

				Thanx,

				Glenn Chappell  <><
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Coverting PROFS mail to MS-MAIL format...
From: dan@homer.alisa.com (Dan Morgan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: dan@homer.alisa.com (Dan Morgan)
Organization: Alisa Systems, Inc.

Are you converting to MS-Mail PC or MS-Mail macintosh?
--
From: header
Subject: Fullname in Keywords: 
Reply-To: tucker@bedford.progress.COM
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:48:41 GMT

Hi all,

I've noticed two ways by which mail readers see a "Full name" of a sender
from mail received:

From: tucker@bedford.progress.com (Kyle Tucker)
&
From: "Kyle Tucker" <tucker@bedford.progress.com>

Is there a name for this Fullname field and is it documented in an RFC? I
looked in 822 and found the references to it kinda vague. Anyway, my goal
here is to find out if I have a legitimate gripe againts two companies
that send mail out without these fields as many users are complaining
that they can't easily figure out who sent the mail because of the horrible
userids allowed by some System Administrators.

Thanks again for great support! 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kyle Tucker - Email Administrator  | 		Progress Software Corporation
tucker@bedford.progress.com 	   |		14 Oak Park
(617)280-4565			   |		Bedford, Mass. 01730
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc