HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Portland Headhunters
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.022458.14235@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
>duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors) writes:
>> susan@falcon5.ericsson.se (Susan Cohen) writes:
>>> I'm looking for names& numbers of headhunters in Portland, Oregon.
>> Me too...Took the words right out of my mouth. 
>
>And stay away from Cheatan Shah and Northwest Inc.  They have been caught in
>unethical practices.  And, last checked, were not even licensed as required
>by the Stste.
>

The following three Head Hunters (H.H.) work out of, and sometimes in, the
Portland area.

I have taken pieces from recent postings in case of the first two.  The third
I spoke with on the phone for this posting.
 
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> Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract
> From: chetans@agora.rain.com (Northwest Software Inc.)
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:38:50 GMT
> 
> 		Northwest Software, Inc.
> 		P.O. Box 91396
> 		Portland, OR 97291-0396
> 
> 		FAX: 503-645-5892
> 
> 		Email: chetans@agora.rain.com
> 
> 
> ABOUT NORTHWEST SOFTWARE, INC.
> 
> Northwest Software, Inc. (NSI) provides Consulting Services 
> to top-rated high technology companies across the United States.  
> NSI has offices in Portland (Oregon), Los Angeles, and India.  NSI's
> spectrum of services include: turn-key implementation of projects either
> at our client's site or in India, and recruitment services.

(i.e. tend to be on the low end of North American rates. Gets very active
      on the net in bursts).

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> From: kornfein@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Roger Kornfein)
> Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered
> Date: 5 Aug 92 19:45:58 GMT
> 
> Please reply to:
> 
> Roger Kornfein
> E.D.P. Markets Inc. & E.D.P. Consultants Inc.
> 4000 S.E. International Way
> Suite F203
> Portland, OR 97222
> 
> PHONE:  	    (503) 654 - 9600
> FAX:	  	    (503) 654 - 2120

(Seems to recruit heavily outside the Portland area, but is certainly based
 there).

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 Bruno Amici
 Triad Group
 10200 SW Greenburg Road
 Suite 350 
 Portland, OR 97223

 Looking for Software Engineers, Data Procesing, Oracle experience & other
 RDBMS.

 Not yet on net.  Please say you saw this article (there is no monetary
 interest on my part, but I have been trying to talk them into net
 participation for over a year).

 Tel:  (503) 293-9545
 Fax:  (503) 293-9546

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duwors@csi.uottawa.ca  aka  Robert Du Wors    Tel:613.831.1930 Fax:613.831.0272
                            141 Country Lane, Kanata, Ontario, Canada   K2L 1J6
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223933.3168@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.122906.22118@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>>>  The Japanese average 2100 working hours a year versus 2050 in the US
>>>  (source: OECD) 
>
>>Careful with those statistics! Are thsoe averages based on everyone,
>>including children, housewives, etc, or are they based on actual
>>employees? If it's the latter, countries where a large %age of the
>>population in the workforce, but with a relatively large part of them
>>working part-time will appear to be "lazier" than countries with a
>>smaller %age in the workforce and with almost every worker working full-
>>time.

The "Overworked American" give about 1950 hours for combined male/female
full and part time.  Men average 2050 and women about 1750 because they have
more parttime work.  The Japanese number is approximately the same from the
book.  Most Japanese woman marry and leave work in their mid-twenties.
It is considered shameful not to marry and not to devote 100% of your attention
to your children in Japan.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: darcher@IASTATE.EDU (David W Archer)
Subject: Re: Living Cost Index
Keywords: cost of living index
Reply-To: darcher@IASTATE.EDU (David W Archer)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.213039.1137@news.iastate.edu>, bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E
Bible) writes:


> There is a survey done by the Chamber of Commerce in a number of cities
around
> the country that may be available in your library.  I don't recall what the
> letters stand for, but the name of the pub is ACCRA.  They list an index

ACCRA stands for American Chamber of Commerce Researchers Association, and
the title of the publication is "Cost of Living Index".

Dave
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:41:38 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Aug27.090110.84@shamu.ca.boeing.com> kf7600@shamu.ca.boeing.com writes:
>
>The person I was talking to was of the opinion that one of the main reasons
>Congress decided to go the FCC licensing route instead of private property
>was to give the government a degree of control over the content being put
>out on the air waves.
>
   The US is a member of a treaty organization amongst MOST world
   governments that controls spectrum space.  The reason the treaty
   existed originally was to keep radio stations in my country from
   interfering with equipment and/or stations in your country.  

   Since then, the control has grown in order to allow
   multi-national manufacture of equipment that will interoperate
   with equipment in other countries without causing problems.

   Next time you call your friends and relations overseas you are
   living evidence of why this is necessary.

   And the treaty is a GOVERNMENT treaty....which binds governments
   into doing the enforcement.  

   The treaty deals with emissions and radiation and useage and
   interference.  It could care less about content.  [Although some
   gov'ts do...]
From: royc@tcsrtp.uucp (Roy Andrew Crabtree)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Gaining system administration skills
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:08:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Triangle Computer Society

In article <17utscINN6v1@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson) writes:
>
>  I'll soon be starting another job which requires me to learn sys.
>admin. skills under SCO Xenix.  I've posted a similar question to the
>appropriate groups but thought maybe someone here had another opinion.
>
>  Can the basic system administration skills learned be carried to
>another job with a different flavor of Unix?  If I learned solid admin

	Yes.

>skills under SCO Xenix, could I effectively take a job in a few years
>as a Sun OS admin?  I'm asking because I'm a little worried that the

	The first 2-4 times, your learning curve will be high.

>skills learned under Xenix may not apply directly to other variations
>of Unix.  What say you all?  Any sys admins listening?

	15 years DOS/UNIX (age 38): they are al similar

>
>-=- Brett
>-- 
>  Brett Watson, 915 Calflin Rd. Manhattan, KS  66502, (913) 776-5951
>  ==================================================================
>	brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | brettw@holonet.net


royc
uunet!duke!wolves!tcsrtp!royc
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: How to quit after 2 weeks?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:12:07 GMT

keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:

|>In article <1992Aug30.200257.13660@iitmax.iit.edu> chinkev@elof.iit.edu (Kevin A. Chin) writes:
|>>I have a problem (well not really to most people), about
|>>quiting after two weeks.
|>>Then my #1 choice offered me a position, how should I
|>>handle this? I am somewhat hestitant to quit (guilty) after 

|>It amazes me that people still worry about what the employer will
|>feel if one quits, even after two weeks.  Do you think the employer
|>would worry if he laid you off do to a slump in the industry?  Let's
|>face it, nowadays, one has to look out for one's self.  Go ahead and
|>quit job#3.  Take the job#1.  You've got to do what is in the best
|>interest for yourself.  It is a hard road out there.  Take care of 
|>number one first!		--Keith


Obviously burning bridges isn't a concern...
Sometime taking care of #1 means not burning your bridges....
It is a tough decision.
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From: teresas@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Teresa Simske)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:08:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for new career
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc



Dear Looking for new career,

Do it. Spend some time determining what IT is and just do it. 
I find it refreshing to see people changing their careers ... some
new study that I read somewhere (yep, this is totally documented fact here)
said that folks, on average, change their careers every 6.6 years. I intend
to do so. A few more years as an exploited engineer, then a teacher of
subhumans (junior high), then an poor artist who wears black all the time,
then a priest ...
There is nothing more absolutely terrifying than lack of change.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Sought
Originator: chad@pms035
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesman for Ford Tech Affairs
Reply-To: Chad Childers <chad@quality.ta.ford.com>
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:29:49 GMT

In an article in misc.jobs.offered, ddutta@tiguex.cs.unm.edu (Debashis Dutta (call me DD)) writes:
>We have been seed capital investors in highly successful start-ups 
>such as Prime Computer, Storage Technology, Iomega Corp., etc.  

I'd watch out for these guys.  Prime Computer went under, in case you hadn't
heard, and I've heard "Stolen Technology" as a nickname for the other because
of all the lawsuits against them.  Anybody have any dirt on Iomega?
-- 
Chad Childers                            Work: chad@quality.ta.ford.com
FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: Job in UNIX vs OS/2 world.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:38:23 CDT

In article <x-hn5gm.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>ajit@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ajit Naidu) writes:
>: 
>: Hi Everybody,
>: 
>: 
>: 2) I don't mean to offend the OS/2 fans out there, but does OS/2
>:    have a lot of future, especially since IBM is working with Apple
>:    on "PINK" the new OS which will run across various IBM platforms.
>:    - Is getting into OS/2 world a mistake since he has reasonable
>:      experience under UNIX and X/Motif ?
>: 
>I can't say what OS/2 has for a future, but Unix is growing
>faster than any other OS, has been for last 3 years, and probably
>will be until 1995 (Market share growth).
>--
>Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then

Mary:

Not to raise a flame, but how are your measuring marketshare growth.  I know
that OS/2 sold 1,000,000 copies in its first four months and did another
300,000 copies in the last ten business days.  This is a 100% growth in four
or five months.

Windows (which Microsoft claims is an operating system - I disagree) claims a 
rate of 1,000,000 copies a month.  I don't know what marketshare growth this
is but it is significant.

Bert Moshier
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pettengi@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov (James B. Pettengill)
Subject: Headhunter Fees ?
Organization: LESC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:11:27 GMT

My wife is considering using a headhunter to assist her in finding
employment in the Houston area. She's been looking for a job for the
past 18 months, and lately she's been getting very discouraged. She
works for a major dept store part-time, but this is a far cry from
the career she had before marrying me and moving to Houston.

Anyway, she had an interview with a headhunter and they gave her
some contracts to sign.  First of all they want to know all the
companies that she has contacted before they start looking for her (over 100). 
Second, their fees range from 20-35% of the first years salary payable
immediately upon my wife accepting a given job offer.  If the company balks
at paying all or a portion of the fee, my wife is responsible for the 
fee or portion there of.  Now if the company agrees to pay but backs 
out later, my wife is liable for the fee. The headhunter company
says 99.9% of the time the hiring company pick up the fee (yea right).

Have any netters used this type of service before? Any horror stories?

I really don't understand how a company would be willing to pay a 20-35% fee for
an unknown employee.  Does this fee usually come out of the employees first
years salary? If it does, what happens if she's laid off or fired in the 
first year?  I read in the headhunter contract that refunds will
be given only if my wife terminates employment within 30 days after accepting 
the job offer.  Needless to say, I don't have $4000 laying around to bail my
wife out if everything craps out.

I'm thinking that I should have my wife and the company offering her a position
sign a contract saying that she is not liable for any portion of the fee
should she be laid off.  I'd also like to protect her from the hiring company
trying to force her to quit by making working conditions unacceptable (this
would be defined in detail later).

Another issue I don't like is that my wife is liable for the fee through 
indirect assistance by the headhunter company. 

Scenerio.... both my wife and headhunter see the same add in the newspaper.
Wife calls and gets interview. Headhunter calls but is told no agencies are
allowed.  Wife gets offered job...wife liable for fee...indirect assistance...
go figure????

I've rambled enough, am I being paranoid, should my wife just sit back
and let the headhunters to all the work? 

Feedback please?
From: fayne@tellab2.tellabs.com (Jeffrey Fayne)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Wanted: List of recruiters in Phoenix area.
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:08:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: tellab5.1992Sep3.130825.12799
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Originator: fayne@tellab2

I would be interested in receiving a list of recruiters that
place in the Phoenix area. Any comments on job searches
in Phoenix would also be welcome.


			Thanks in advance,

					- Jeff
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From: jyothi@franklin.ee.umr.edu (Jyothi Nagaraj)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Job Opportunities
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:18:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: umr.1992Sep4.201818.13517
Reply-To: jyothi@ee.umr.edu (Jyothi Nagaraj)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: jyothi@ee.umr.edu



Hi!

Could somebody tell me about the job opportunities
in the industry in the area of Neural Network applications? 
How good is it right now?

Thanks in advance/

Jyothi



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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: How to motivate peers in a quality circle?
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:44:21 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug13.224623.18064@igor.tamri.com> viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge) writes:
>	Greetings,
>
>	Has anyone had experience with motivating a group
>	of peers in a quality circle? If one is a leader,
>	but not a boss how does one get the others to
>	perform? I can't give them money, a 4O1K plan,
>	comp time etc., a new job title, I'm just a peer.	
>	And as a peer, I have no authority.
>
>	Now supposeably we should participate in our quality circle 
>	because we know what is good for our company is
>	good for us (we get to keep our jobs.) But in reality
>	the people in these groups could care less. Talk
>	about taking their jobs for granted! I asked my group
>	what would motivate them. My worse member suggested
>	comp time and money of course--very material needs.
>
>	I've taken a number of managerial courses and in theory
>	people are motivated by things greater than money
>	like job satisfaction or recognition. But to hear the
>        what the group members have to say you would think	
>	all they care about is money.
>
>	I'm looking forward to your responses!


Personnally, I think people are motivated more by peer pressure and
example than they are by money. But these are not quick motivators like
money. They need to be used long term. Don't expect to see results in
a day.

Tom
From: sanguan@yang1.eng.uci.edu (Sanguan Vongchavalitkul)
Subject: Faculty Positions in Thailand
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:07:48 GMT

Subject:    Faculty Positions Open


Providence University in Thailand has various positions open.  The
persons with the following degree are welcome to apply.
      
     -: Eletronic related (PhD and M.S):
        in field : Communication 
     -: Computer Science related (PhD and M.S)
     -: Accounting, Finacce (PhD and MBA)
     -: Civil Engineering (PhD and M.S):
        Structural, Structures and Dynamices.
     -: Mehanical Engineering (PhD and M.S)


 The persons who are interested in any of these positions, please send
 your resume to the following address:

            Dr. Sanguan Vongchavalitkul
            School of Engineering
            Vongchavalitkul C.
            KORAT 30000
            THAILAND
From: rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The perception of reverse racism (Re: Why do Americans
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:34:18 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>Ah yes, the perceptions of a mailroom clerk "prove" the existence of
>reverse racism.  Andrew, you need to at least entertain the notion that
>the person's behavior was formed, and malformed, by having to live and
>work in Arizona, where postmodern racism flourishes (see the reaction to
>MLK day as an example.)  I feel sorry for any black person, or any
>liberal white, who has to live in Arizona (in spite of my massive
>respect for Barry Goldwater.)

Have you ever been to Arizona?  Don't believe every thing you see on TV or
read in the paper.  The people of Arizona recalled the govenor over the MLK
holiday.  I love when people make these kinds of statements.  I live in
California now, and have visited 40 of the 50 states, and California has to
be the most racist, homophobic, and anti-semtic state I've ever been to.
When I tell people that I grew up in Arizona, they say, "You are from that
racist state", but in the next breath they will say, "I hate going to San
Francisco because of all the fags".  I never heard this kind of talk in
Arizona, but I hear it almost on a daily basis in California.

In the last two years how many crosses have burned in the Bay Area versus
Arizona?

Rex Tener                                                 rtener@pyramid.com
Pyramid Technology                                            A.M.A. #580669 
"Radical is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air." - F.D.R. (1944)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Rajiv Arora)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Etiquette Regarding Present and Prospective Employers
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:46:33 GMT
Reply-To: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Rajiv Arora)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: rajiv@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


For myriad reasons, I am not happy with my current employment and am looking
for jobs elsewhere. I have an interview coming up soon and I was wondering what
the standard procedure is (if any) regarding telling prospective employers
about my current employer. Specifically, that I would prefer that they not call
my current employer until after I have terminated employment. This is for the
obvious (and fairly common, I presume) reason that I do not wish my current
employer to learn of my intention of leaving until I have another job in hand.

Is this a fairly common and acceptable thing to do? If not, what should I say?

-- 
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*				Phone: (512) 795-9015			     *
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How frequently should we post a resume?
From: orville%weyrich@tnet.com (Orville R. Weyrich)
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:43:18 GMT
Reply-To: tnet.com!weyrich!orville
Distribution: na
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting

In article <1992Aug19.060342.17921@ccad.uiowa.edu> vrajanik@ccad.uiowa.edu (Rajanikanth Vemulapalli) writes:
>hi there,
>How frequently should we post a resume in misc.jobs.resumes?

Maybe  once a month  -- anyone seriously interested in scanning resumes
grabs everything that comes across and archives it.

Most systems  keep everything  1 to 2 weeks before expiring them. Posting
more frequently  may result in flames (I know, I've  gotten a few :-).



orville

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Certified Data Processor                       POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                      Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer                Internet: orville%weyrich@tnet.com
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger)
Subject: Re: Headhunter Fees ?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 17:02:17 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

James B. Pettengill)writes:

>Second, their fees range from 20-35% of the first years salary payable
>immediately upon my wife accepting a given job offer.  If the company balks
>at paying all or a portion of the fee, my wife is responsible for the 
>fee or portion there of.  Now if the company agrees to pay but backs 
>out later, my wife is liable for the fee. The headhunter company
>says 99.9% of the time the hiring company pick up the fee (yea right).

My husband is a recruiter.  The practice you describe is HIGHLY unethical.
The fee agreement is (or should be) between the company and the recruiter.
The company pays the fee and the candidate should NEVER be liable.

Run, don't walk away from these turkeys!  They sound like slimes, and the
kind who give recruiting a bad name.
-- 
Judy Bettinger (judy@evolving.com)            < |/
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Denver, Colorado                              < |\