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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Integrated Computer Ed
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 14:05:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I am a 4th year Bachelor of Education student at Sydney University, training to be an Industrial Arts teacher.  The current push in the state educational policy is related to a new sylabus titled "Design and Technology" which is supposed to be the newest
 and the best etc...  A large part of this new sylabus involves computer education.  I am researching for a major essay, whether an integrated approach or non integrated approach to teaching computers is the best.  By an integrated approach, I mean teach
ning computers as part of other subjects as a tool, rather than having a computer subject to learn about computers isolated from other subjects, that is, a non integrated approach.  Can you shed some light of how computer education is run in your area of
 education ?

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From: Keith.Weatherby@f367.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Weatherby)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: games
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 20:16:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/367 - The Chess Board, Beaverton OR

Anyone out there buy their IBM just for games or to fool around with? Send me
 a message.


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From: Linda.Bush@f58.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Bush)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: QuickTime
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 09:23:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/58 - REGENCY DATA, Littleton CO

I didn't get any of the message that you sent to me RE Quick Time.  
Would you please send again?  Since my message posting I have installed 
system 7 on my Mac II and have run some QT examples.  Examples are nice 
but I/we (students) wish to customize and create our own.  A video 
capture card is high on our list of budget items so that we may begin.  
Can you recommend an economical, good quality card?  Are you using QT?  
We teach HyperCard at our school and encourage the students to use it 
for creating presentations and in place of written reports.  Looking 
forward to hearing from you.  
Linda Bush, Highlands Ranch High School, Colorado


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From: Colin.Stead@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Colin Stead)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: software
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:12:05 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University


 Hello all        

     In resent research of our new technology and Design
syllabus I believe and Interesting point has arisen which has
been over looked for far to long. It is the role that
computers have to play in the running of not only this new
course but all courses in general. We currently have students
in schools learning how to use word processors, spread sheets,
desktop publishing programs and many other programs which no
one industry and very few people at home are using. An example
of this are schools who are still using Apples not Mac's but
Apples. There is not problem with them because they still do
the job but the programs with they are running are often so
out dated that the students would probably be better just
reading the manual of a new program.
     Another thing is that unlike their being set book lists
or a recommended book list for subjects, very little has been
done to really standardise the programs which are being used
in schools.
     With the implementation of the new Technology and Design
Syllabus we now also have teachers talking about the use of
computers in the designing of projects and using them for
communication. Also the topic of C.M.L. ( Computer Managed
Learning ) which has been recently on the lips of many but had
only ever been taken up by I.A. (Industrial Arts). This type
of assisted learning is now being to really move in a big way
in Asian countries such as Korea and Japan.
     Are we going to now also have four to five different
C.M.L. programs making it almost impossible to coordinate
between schools and cluster or can be agree on one system
maximise the use of this system. ---

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From: Grant.Kwai@f729.n713.z3.fidonet.org (Grant Kwai)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Apples & Ibm'S
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 16:11:08 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:713/729 - TETIA Service Info , Baulkham Hills NSW

>About MSDOS. I am (was/have been) an Apple users since 1977. I got my first
>IBM about 6 years ago. Apple is not easier but harder! Really, once you get
>into MSDOS there is a lot more you can do, and, without the "utilities" that
>are required by Apple.

 Harder? How do you work that one out? Sure a couple of things are
different, but overall I didn't really notice much difference. The only
significant difference I noticed was IBM programs on average were much
less user-friendly than Apple // programs.
 As for the utilities, which ones in particular?

>Also, Cross-Works is a great program for file exchange between Apple and IBM.
>Put the GS togeather with a PC and a MAC with a "SuperDive" and you can
>exchange txt files between all three computer platforms at will!!!!

 And dont forget the //e! With Apple's new controller card, you can now
 have a 1.4meg drive on a //e.

>An "IBM" 386SX 2 megs of RAM 40 meg Drive and a 3.5 inch drive with a mouse
>and VGA 1024x768 and 512K on the video   $1050. Now, remember the price of
>the Apples!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Hmm, not bad. Works out to be about the same price here in Australia.
 We can get a similar setup for about AU$1200

>Good luck with your efforts. MSDOS is even easier with WINDOWS 3.1

 Much better than 3.0? I'm still a DOS person, from my Apple days.
 <grin>

Grant



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From: Ew.Smith@f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org (Ew Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Wondering If I Know You? Reply
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 21:19:34 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:345/6 - Leeward School Dist, Honolulu HI

thanks for the reply.  I realize that Robert Burns is not an uncommon name, but hey, he was my best friend in high school (almost 30 years ago) and I have heard from him in 15-20, so I had to ask.  

Ah to be 15 and in love again....  Hope you enjoy the high school years. they can be the best. (school too) 


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From: Rollie.Arthur@f131.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Rollie Arthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: BBS Help
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 20:10:40 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/131 - The right place, Tacoma WA

I am in the process of getting my district to set up a BBS at our high school. 
We are starting at ground zero. Are there any texts/books/manuals that you are 
aware of? We are not locked in to any one platform, any opinions as to what
would be the best? What about software I've heard of Hermes and others what is 
"best" for each platform and what determines "best"?
My plan is to get dependable kids to run it and give them credit for it. Is
anyone else doing this? I don't want to reinvent the wheel so _any_ help would 
be appreciated.
Rollie


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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Ed
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:15:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I am a 4th year Bachelor of Education student at Sydney University, training to be an Industrial Arts teacher.  The current push in the state educational policy is related to a new sylabus titled "Design and Technology" which is supposed to be the newest
 and the best etc...  A large part of this new sylabus involves computer education.  I am researching for a major essay, whether an integrated approach or non integrated approach to teaching computers is the best.  By an integrated approach, I mean teach
ning computers as part of other subjects as a tool, rather than having a computer subject to learn about computers isolated from other subjects, that is, a non integrated approach.  Can you shed some light of how computer education is run in your area of
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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Teacher contacts wanted
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:43:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.15696.29E85F0B
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I would be interested in being a part of this project.  I am a final 
year B.Education (industrial arts) student at the Faculty of 
Education, Sydney University Australia.  Being an Industrial Arts 
teacher I am keen to be discussing matters of computer and 
technology education.  I can be contacted through this echo and my 
home BBS is Sydney Education Database BBS at University.  I can 
never remember the FidoNet address, sorry.  I am especially 
interested in Macintosh if that is of any use.

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From: Rollie.Arthur@f131.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Rollie Arthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Typing Tutorial
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:39:30 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/131 - The right place, Tacoma WA

Daniel, if you are still looking for a typing tutorial take a look/see at
Broderbund's TYPE! I use it in my computer classes and the kids like it.
According to a colleague who teaches keyboarding fulltime it is best to use a
tutorial that has real words not gibberish. I use this program with 6 - 8
graders and I use it myself. There are some great graphs for showing your
progress and 12 - 18 different approaches to the practices.
Rollie


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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Ed
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:17:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I am a 4th year Bachelor of Education student at Sydney University, training to be an Industrial Arts teacher.  The current push in the state educational policy is related to a new sylabus titled "Design and Technology" which is supposed to be the newest
 and the best etc...  A large part of this new sylabus involves computer education.  I am researching for a major essay, whether an integrated approach or non integrated approach to teaching computers is the best.  By an integrated approach, I mean teach
ning computers as part of other subjects as a tool, rather than having a computer subject to learn about computers isolated from other subjects, that is, a non integrated approach.  Can you shed some light of how computer education is run in your area of
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From: Tom.Winn@f10.n3401.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Winn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: need help finding Apple I
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:42:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3401/10 - The HOLE in the WAL, Mount Vernon WA

Rick, I run an Apple IIe lab for K-8, and find the MECC collection has
been the best deal for the money, though they've restructured their price
schedule, so I'm not sure now.  My suggestion is to buy lots of disks,
then all the stuff they have (it's only about $6 per when you join), and
make lots of copies (a full lab set and a half for breakdowns).  Then you
can coast a year, spending your money on other stuff the next year.
First, of course, is deciding what you want the kids to get out of their
time on the machines.  My policy has been to practice or expand on what's
happening in the classroom.  For instance, after they have studied
measurement, let them work on Measure Works; when they're studying phonics
in 1,2,3, and 4th, have kids "play" Word Munchers.  If you want a selected
list of MECC products, let me know what objectives you want the kids to
work on, and I'll send you a list.  Good luck.

 This copy of Freddie 1.1 is being evaluated.



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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Second-Hand Computers.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 92 12:16:29 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Don,

In a msg on <Mar 21 20:49>, Don Demarco of 1:343/55 writes:

 DD> John.  I would appreciate it if you could write a pen pal message 
 DD> to a first grade girl, 7 years old, in Marysville Washington 
 DD> (near Seattle). 

See following msg.

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From: Sheldon.Billard@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Sheldon Billard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: RE: RE: THE DISKS I'M SENDING 
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 10:45:43 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Tyler, I will be using an IBM PC.  I will use the word processor MicroSofty 
 
Works 2.0.  Could you, likewise, use the same word processor?
 
Thanks,
Sheldon Billard

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From: Murray.Grant@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Murray Grant)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: TEACHER CONTACTS WANTED
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:50:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Hi Larry...
    I would enjoy being part of your project. I am a teaching principal in a 
small rural school in Northwestern  New Brunswick, (East of Maine). My Main 
interest is Language arts, but I am starting to explore teaching math. In a 
small school, you rarely specialize, but are teaching a new subject every 
year. Cooperative learning strategies are coming into their own in my area. 
Other interests are staff development, teacher enpowerment, selfcontained 
classrooms, and computer applications in classroom settings to name a few. 

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From: Ryan.Monti@f130.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Ryan Monti)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Sound Editors for Adlib/Sound Blaster Cards
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:20:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/130 - The Really Board, Yellowknife NWT

Thankx
.
I looking for something that will let me make tunes on my
Sound Blaster card.  As you likely know Windows 3.1 is
supporting various sound cards, it should be here almost any day
now.  Thank you very much for repling.


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From: Scott.Barnham@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scott Barnham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Ed
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 21:16:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I am a 4th year Bachelor of Education student at Sydney University, training to be an Industrial Arts teacher.  The current push in the state educational policy is related to a new sylabus titled "Design and Technology" which is supposed to be the newest
 and the best etc...  A large part of this new sylabus involves computer education.  I am researching for a major essay, whether an integrated approach or non integrated approach to teaching computers is the best.  By an integrated approach, I mean teach
ning computers as part of other subjects as a tool, rather than having a computer subject to learn about computers isolated from other subjects, that is, a non integrated approach.  Can you shed some light of how computer education is run in your area of
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From: Tyler.Gunn@f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Tyler Gunn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: Re: RE: THE DISKS I'M SENDING YOU.
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 21:55:24 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/400 - DEFCON InfoSystem, Winnipeg MB

Hi there Sheldon.  WEll, I'm going to be using a Macintosh with WriteNow 2.2.  
I'm not going to send a disk until I can confirm what file format you want to
use.  You can choose from any of the following formats:
Disks:3 1/2"
IBM Word PRocessors:
--------------------
MS Work, MS Works, WordPerfect, Text

Mac Word PRocessors:
--------------------
Word, Mac Write, WriteNow, TeachText, Text

I can read/write/format ibm disks.  I can also translate the files between the 
mac and ibm.
___
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From: Ian.Romanick@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Ian Romanick)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: amiga
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:22:17 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

I sent it on March 30th.  Isn't it there yet?  Hmmm...if it doesn't get 
there by the 12th, let me know and I'll mail it again.  TTYL.
                          - Ian


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From: Ian.Romanick@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Ian Romanick)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: HACKERS
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:13:19 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

I would like to make a comment about the word "hacker."  Beware:  it has 
two very different meanings!  There is the not-so-legal-to-do one you 
guys are talking about, and it also can refer to people who code in low 
haredware oriented levels.  I consider myself to be a hacker (the second 
kind).  I have never done any illegal stuff with my computer, but I 
program in assembly language as well and as frequently as I speak 
English.  There are few things better in life than using low level 
methods to get what you want from a computer.  This is often times termed 
"low-level HACKING."  Why?  Because you're usually `hacking' the OS out 
of the picture:  you have complete control over the CPU and anything else 
inside the machine.


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From: Roland.Gesthuizen@p3.f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Roland Gesthuizen)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Students teaching themselves
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:31:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.15695.29E85F08
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155.3 - SECAP BBS, Clayton

AS>I learned wordperfect, lotus, windows, harvard graphics, and
AS>advanced wordperfect, and many more but I learned the ones I
AS>mentioned at a computer school named computer confidence in east
AS>rochester. I think that they did a very good job in teaching the
AS>courses .  Of course a lot of it depends on the instructor, if the

Thanks for your comments. I wonder what other people think about letting students work and study at their own pace. The problem is setting up in advance the worksheets and activities. What strategies have other teachers found that might work for me?

Roland Gesthuizen, Melbourne  Australia.  
 

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From: John.Feltham@puddle.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: software
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:01:56 PST
Organization: Pacific Systems Group

G'day Colin,

In a msg on <Apr 09 13:12>, Colin Stead of 3:712/628 writes:

 CS>      In resent research of our new technology and Design
 CS> syllabus I believe and Interesting point has arisen which has
 CS> been over looked for far to long. It is the role that
 CS> computers have to play in the running of not only this new
 CS> course but all courses in general. We currently have students
 CS> in schools learning how to use word processors, spread sheets,
 CS> desktop publishing programs and many other programs which no
 CS> one industry and very few people at home are using. 

 CS>      With the implementation of the new Technology and Design
 CS> Syllabus we now also have teachers talking about the use of
 CS> computers in the designing of projects and using them for
 CS> communication. Also the topic of C.M.L. ( Computer Managed
 CS> Learning ) which has been recently on the lips of many but had
 CS> only ever been taken up by I.A. (Industrial Arts). 

 CS>      Are we going to now also have four to five different
 CS> C.M.L. programs making it almost impossible to coordinate
 CS> between schools and cluster or can be agree on one system
 CS> m!ximise the use of this system. ---

I have kept a large slice of your original msg so that readers can keep up with the thread.

In Queensland we have been running a 'hands on' course for Yrs 11 and 12 called Practical Computer Methods, (PCM). The reason for runnng this course is that this is what Industry/business/universitys have said that these are the skills that they would like school leavers to have. The course consists of word proceessing/speadsheeting, E-mail and data base work. All in a practical manner.

We now have a course which many schools have started this year in Queensland, called Information Processing Technology (IPT). This too, is a 2 year course for Yrs 11 & 12. The subjects covered are as follows.  Algorithms and Programming, Computer Systems, Artificial Intelligence, Information systems (DB) and Social and Ethical Implications.

Thought you may be interested in what the leading State in computer education, in Australia, is doing.


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From: Tyler.Gunn@f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Tyler Gunn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: Long Distance Costs
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 92 13:12:39 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/400 - DEFCON InfoSystem, Winnipeg MB

"with your mom's money..." - Terry
Terry, shut up!!!!!  Give it up.
Besides, the bill wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.  Then again, maybe
that's because I the reset of the calls are going to be on the next bill..
___
 yler Gunn


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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: HACKERS
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 92 11:23:28 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Carol,

In a msg on <Mar 20 21:20>, Carol Nauss of 1:255/2 writes:

 CN> Give me the commodore 64 hackers who only ended up removing the 
 CN> protection and permitting the programs to be copied.  Not legal 
 CN> but certainly less harmful in the long run.  Carol
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stealing, is still stealing! 

I take it that you don't really condone stealing?


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