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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Any '65 Lincoln Conv. owners out there?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:17:34 GMT

In article <3781@news.cerf.net> kevin@cyber.net (Kevin R. Sanders) writes:
"Hello car fans,
"
"I recently bought a '65 Lincoln convertible, and am hoping there
"are others on the net with similar vintage cars.  Looking through
"a copy of Hemmings it appears there are several outfits supplying
"parts for these cars; are there any other sources that are worth
"looking at?

have you considered joining the lincoln continental owners club?

"I really like the car, nothing like sheer mass to give the truly
"awesome ride.

amen!  that's one of the things i like most about my '67 coupe.
unfortunately, it's one more car than i can reasonably keep -- anyone
Out There [tm] like to take it off my hands [for $]?

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,rec.autos
From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Subject: Re: Info wanted: Citroen 7CV
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:40:59 GMT


In article <By6swG.Kou@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> 	Actually, aren't you thinking about the 2CV?  The Duck?  I think that
> it is the one that was originally introduced in 1934, it has a Top Speed of 
> around 65 - 70 mph.  It is only made in Portugal (from what I know) and not
> available new here.  Grey market might be a diferent story.  I have no clue as
> to where to find out about them.  I think that they are cute, but have no power.

To clarify:

The caption on the picture I saw said '7CV.' I have seen
2CV's around, and they're not what I'm thinking of, though perhaps
the really old ones are different. (However, if I really knew what I 
was talking about, I probably wouldn't be asking).

If you've seen the film 'Diva,' these are the big 'gangster'
cars used in that film. They're really beautiful.

	-Doug
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
From: chris@bclwn.wn.bcl.co.nz (Chris Mackerell)
Subject: Simca Vedette V8 (1959)
Organization: Business Computers Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:03:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

HI all,

I'm just starting to restore a 59 Simca Vedette V8 and am interested
to find sources of parts and general info on the vehicle (magazine
articles etc).

The closer to NZ the better, but any info would be gratefully appreciated.

The car was originally assembled in Australia then shipped to New
Zealand in the mid-sixties.

Cheers,

Chris


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Subject: Re: Charter of this group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:52 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Keywords: What is it??

In article <1992Nov20.052641.6264@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>
>    How can you question this?  We set up the charter, it was agreed on
>    and voted on.  The group passed and was created.
>
>    It has nothing to do with your Austin Healey.  It's what the
>    Usenet folks wanted!  Perhaps we should start another newsgroup
>    named rec.autos.antique.modified.

 In fact there was a bit of disagreement during the discussion phase over
exactly how Pure our Precious Bodily Fluids were to be kept and just how
limited the topic list was to be. Some of us are more tolerant of topical
divergence.

 The fact that the vote passed reflects the desirability of the subject,
not necessarily agreement with Gerry's parameters for the discussion of
the subject. I voted for the group because I like old cars, not because
(rather, in spite of the fact that) Gerry said that only (to paraphrase)
completely original, unmodified-in-any-way, over-25-year-old cars should 
be discussed.

 Weekly, daily, hourly postings of the charter will not maintain Purity.
Usenet is bounded chaos. People will post to a group with an appealing
title without reading to the bottom of it or taking time to acclimate
themselves to the "culture". Live and let post, says I. But then, I'm
not that emotional.

 While it's true that there are other newsgroups and mailing lists with
primary subjects more in line with the questions posed, it's also true
that everyone has to start asking somewhere, and the guy with an old(er)
car might reasonably expect to start asking here. Shouting "Unclean!" 
and posting a copy of the charter do little to advance the hobby or the
image of enthusiasts; similar attitudes in the real world are contributing
to the "graying" of the antique auto scene. 

 Now that I've belabored the subject yet again, I will close by enjoining
the readership to recognise that new participants are important to keep
the newsgroup fresh and that a helpful reply, even a pointer to a more
helpful newsgroup, is better for all concerned (maybe better for your
blood pressure too, Gerry) than griping about net.improprieties. 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Clasic Motor Carrages
Keywords: Ooops!
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:49:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.042737.27849@dsg.tandem.com> robert@Everest.Tandem.COM (Robert Gadbois) writes:
>I have always wanted to restore a Porsche SPEEDSTER but know that I
>will never have the kind of money it takes to buy a starter car (or cars).
>The car is just too popular.  My next thought was to look into buying a 
>reproduction kit car and have the next best thing.  While I wont be restoring
>a great car at least I will be building the car myself.  

Break out the garlic, the silver crosses and the wooden stakes! DON'T DO IT!!!!

Ok, so maybe this is a personal phobia of mine, but "plastic fantastics" are
close to the  biggest rip-off going.  By the time you are through, you will
have invested as much (or MORE) into a repro Porsche as you would have in
a good restoration -- REALLY!  

Send me e-mail, and I'll try to scrounge up the address for the 356 registry --
a journal devoted to early Porsches.  You might be surprised to find that
a good 356 Cabriolet can be had for reasonable $$$ -- and is the "deluxe"
model of the same body style as the Speedster* (you get roll-up windows instead
of snap-on side curtains -- big deal).  Best of all, you have a real antique,
instead of some piece of fiberglas (tm) crap (non-tm) that only someone in
polyester and gold chains would feel studly driving.  What's more, your
*restoration* will have solid resale value -- the volks-cum-porsche replicrap
won't.

Ok, I've made my point (and my enemies).

Bill


*the only reason the Speedster has skyrocketed in value is because it has 
become a west-coast cult car (check out Dylan in "90210" etc.).  The Cabriolet
is actually a nicer car, looks almost the same, and is still (kinda) reasonably
priced
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA)
Subject: Re: Gatorback tires
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:43:56 GMT

mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.) writes:

>>>I have 1 89 Probe GT with 15 inch rims and Gatorback tires (High Speed).

>>>Any suggestions for possible substitutions that won't cost $250 a piece??

>>  Dunlop D40M2.  Same or better grip in the dry, substantially better grip
>>  in the wet.  As miserable as the Goodyear Gatorback in the snow (but
>>  isn't that half the fun?), V or H rating (as I recall) available and
>>  about $150 each. 

>>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

>Anyone tried BFG Comp T/A VR4's?  I have heard good things about them,
>in wet, rain, and snow.  Not all that many bucks either.

>Mike
>mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu

  Now that you mention it, we just put a set of 4 BFG Comp T/A HR4s on our
  Lancer Shelby (The Comp T/As are available in VR4 or HR4).  We had
  Gatorbacks on it from the factory.  They went 45,000 before needing
  replacing (and there's still enough tread to autocross on, hey! they're
  just starting to get sticky!).  The BFG Comp T/A HR4s are nice.  They
  don't have nearly the sidewall stiffness of the Gatorbacks, but they grip
  very nicely in the dry, wet, and snow, they improved our gas mileage by
  (and I kid you not) 3 mpg, and they have an incredible 350 treadwear
  rating (compared to 250 or so for the Gatorback).  They should last me
  until about 100,000 miles! :-)

  They were $90 each mailorder.

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
From: wang-i@acsu.buffalo.edu (Haohui Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 83 BMW 318i
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:37:28 GMT
Organization: UB


 I am thing about getting this one, it has ~100k miles.  What should I be 
looking after?  And anybody has number (hp/torque) and details about this 
car?   What does it differ from the other 3 series?

E-mail is welcome.

howie
Xref: sparky rec.autos:26878 misc.legal:19988
From: stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal
Subject: Can I sue for lost value of car after accident?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:44:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

Some months ago I was hit (while driving) by an uninsured motorist. My
insurance covered this, and they paid a body shop about $8,500 do do repairs
on my 1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible. Why did I not take the money? Because
I'm an idiot, and because I was assured by the body shop that

a) The car was worth over $10,000 (pre accident)

b) The value after they'd repaired it would be at least as high as before
the accident.

I rather suspect I got screwed. A mechanic who looked at the car recently gave
the workmanship a fair passing grade, and said it would definitely affect the
amount I could get if I sold the car. I'm pretty sure now I wouldn't get
any more than the cost of the repairs if I sold it today. Oh well. I suppose
I should learn something from this.

Assuming I just continue to drive the car until it falls apart, I won't have
suffered any real financial loss. However, if I sell it in the near future,
I'll lose money because of the accident and poor/average body work. I don't
really want to do that, so wonder whether I can sue to collect the difference,
probably in Small Claims Court. The other driver was from Florida, based on a
Navy ship in Alameda. He might not be the best person to go after. 
Alternatively, I feel like I was deliberately misled by the body shop. I'd
have done better to take the cash from the insurance company and sell the 
wreck for a few hundred dollars. 

What should I do in this situation? I'm not normally litigious, but I do
feel that the body shop deliberately gave me false information and promises
to make a profit, and while I don't begrudge them that, I don't feel like
paying for it.

Thanks for any suggestions

Richard Stanton
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: buck@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Brit Car mail list?
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:39:58 GMT

In article <3930143@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, pauls@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Paul Stafford) writes:
>  title says it all- looking for brit-car mailing list
> 
>   thanks much
> 
>    Paul Stafford  pauls@sr.hp.com
> 
I've been a member of the following for the last couple of months.
A most interesting and active group.

    british-cars-request@autox.team.net

Anyone know of a mailing list for BMWs?

Martin Buck	buck@camosun.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: barham@medtronic.COM (Bill Barham)
Subject: How to remove tinted window film
Reply-To: barham@medtronic.COM
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:54:33 GMT

Does anyone out there have any tips for easily removing tinted window film
from glass windows?  I have used a razor blade to scrape it off, but it is
a very slow process this way.

Thanks,
Bill Barham      Medtronic Micro-Rel, CAE/CAD Support  602-921-6439
                 email  barham@urel.medtronic.com
From: mjc5@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Cavotta)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: New Wheels and Tires for 87 Turbo Regal
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:44:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mjc5@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Cavotta)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


	Recently, I became the victim of auto theft, a tasteless deed
that left my 87 Regal T-Type without many of its parts... among those being
the stock wheels and tires.

	But justice actually prevailed in the form of a handsome insurance
settlement, leaving me with $8,000 in cash and the remains of my car to
repair or trash as I see fit.  

	I looked into replacing the stock aluminum rims, and the factory
want damn near $1,500 for the set!  So I figure I can have just about the
best aftermarket set-up money can buy for less than the price of the stock
shit alone.  So here I am.

	Option 1: Go with a 15x8 wheel and a wide 50 series tire (local
                  shops have put P265-50-15's all the way around with
                  minimal  problems).

	Option 2: Move up to 16x8 wheels with P245-50-16's up front and
                  P255-50-16's in the rear, ala GNX.


	What I need is the voice of experience to guide my decision,
keeping in mind that I don't want to spend more than $1,500 in the process.
I am quite partial to the 16" setup, so keep that in mind :)   

        If anyone out there knows what will or will not work for this
application, please include the correct offset for the wheels.. Thanks
 
-- 
Michael J. Cavotta

"You either ride the steam-roller, or you stand there whining and die..."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:23:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.150018.5827@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mcarey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.e.carey) writes:

>>Diesels:

>>Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
>>if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
>>but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 

actually, the Navistar lacks the *torque* of the Cummins, as does virtually any
other passenger-vehicle engine...  400lb-ft @ 1700rpm is nothing short of
wonderful... the Navistar has more horsepower...

>>have been ripped badly with the GM 6.2 (Fuel pumps/injection most of the 
>>problem here, plus the standard THM 700/R-4 nightmares).


>Woa!  I would like to know your source on Ford using the Cummins instead
>of the IH?  I haven't heard of this.  This would spell bad news for
>an already troubled Navistar.  As for the power of the IH, back when
>ford first started putting them in there trucks (then it was a 6.9 liter
>Diesel), the rear-ends could not take the power of the engine and they
>kept dropping out.  If they are going with the Cummins for power reasons,
>I hope that they are a little more prepared this time.

part of that information may be due to the *fact* that Ford is a substantial
shareholder in Cummins, Ford was quite upset that they were prevented from
acquiring the 6BT-5.9 (or B5.9-160, as it now may be known) engine for their
pickups by the fact they had contractual obligations to Navistar in 1989-ish
timeframe.  I would not be surprised to see Ford *not* renew the contract with
Navistar when it comes due.  my source for the above is conversation at Cummins
Intermountain, Las Vegas, NV in April 1991.

Walt K.

Xref: sparky rec.autos:27100 alt.autos.antique:2210
From: makris@terpsi.csi.forth.gr (Evan Makris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique
Subject: TIG+MIG welding = ?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:36:27 GMT
Organization: FORTH - ICS, P.O.Box 1385, Heraklio, Crete, Greece 71110 
       tel: +30(81)221171, 229302 fax: +30(81)229342,3 tlx: 262389 CCI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: terpsi.csi.forth.gr

Hello everyone,

could you please explain to me what TIG and/or MIG welding is?

How, when and on what types of metalware is it done?
Also, what is the necessary equipment to perform it?

Thank you

Evan Makris
Crete, Greece.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Mech ABS retrofit (ABS-TRAX)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:46:42 GMT

leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:

>Sorry if i didn't clarify.  One set is 2 gadgets, presumably for dual
>circuits.  I guess European cars get 4.  Not sure about American cars though.

4 circuits?  Which cars have these?  Last time I checked, the most circuits I
had seen was 3 (in a BMW): front only, front & rear, and (emergency) right
front and left rear.  Am I right here or do the majority of cars still have
just two circuits?
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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:37:13 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 12 Nov 92 19:09:50 GMT
bcc: carl


>The Allante with the Northstar engine makes 60 in 6.7 seconds if I remember
>right.  And Road&Track LOVED the handling too.....

>Not to mention the thing has a FANTASTIC-sounding exhaust!

Well, the Allante is already a 60k car even before the Nortstar
engine.  How much extra will the Northstar add - it will probably put
it into the 70k range, so for only 25k more than a Q45 you can get
exactly the same acceleration.  Hmmm, which one would *I* buy :^)

-Carl-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:15:09 GMT

In article <Bxznvn.685@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Slartibartfast) writes: >In article
<1992Nov19.211724.22551@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

	Wow, is there really a V4 around?  My dad's older Camry ('88)
has a Inline 4.  Why would you wan't to build a V4?  I guess if total
displacment was like 5 gallons, or something... 	
I could take a cheap shot about people who defend CR, but I won't.  
------
 
That's a nasty habit of mine. I don't know why I keep on saying
that. I KNOW ALL Toyota 4 cylinder products are inline 4s.

john
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From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Street Sleepere
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:41:25 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Nov20.112302.6476@gw.wmich.edu> 854mesik@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	Everyone is writing about how an SHO Tauras wagon
>would be great. It would be cool, but how about this?
>1992 300 hp LT-1 350 in a Caprice Wagon? It would be a sure

A recent issue of AutoWeek had a picture of a Caprice sedan with the LT-1. 
It had a different grill, blacked-out paint treatment, and was slightly lowered.Looked cooool!


Jit
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Merkur Scorpio
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:46:32 GMT
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zug.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM's message of 19 Nov 92 20:05:07 GMT


In article <13580@limey> sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM (Peter Sheriff) writes:


	My brother-in-law has an '88 Scorpio. He has had considerable work done
   on the suspension and front end. The dash has cracked. He has had some very
   strange wiring faults. The clear coat is peeling off on the hood. All of
   the work he has had done turned out to be very expensive in both parts and
   labor. He still loves the car but he is beginning to get realistic about
   it and is considering selling it (since he got married and now has a child
   to look after$$$$).

The cracking dash is a known problem on file with NHTSA (call them at
(800) 424-9393 to report problems with your Ford and/or request data).
Ford should have foreseen this and should pay for it.  A judge would
probably make them pay for it in small claims court.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Subject: Re: Washers running off from the presure in the spare tire - Joke?
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:04:35 GMT

	Yes, VW windshield washers really did run from spare tire air.   
I've never had a beetle, but my wife drove many of them when her father  
ran a VW repair shop.  One of the driving habits she picked up is that  
she almost never uses the windshield washer, no matter what the car is.   
She went for 2 years on the factory washer fluid in her Accord.

Jim Cavanaugh
From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Washers running off from the presure in the spare tire - Joke?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:36:52 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockheedmac6.larc.nasa.gov

It's true & it's a joke.

________________________________________________        
        If we were not crazy, we would go insane.
        If we could not laugh, we would go insane!     J. Buffett
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From: tuttle@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Dan Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - invoice prices wanted
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:11:51 GMT
Reply-To: tuttle@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of FL - Dept. of Anatomy and Cell Biology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Nov18.061747.29528@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes...
>In article <2B09CC15.21923@news.service.uci.edu> jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu
>(John Roersma) writes:
>>Hello everyone.  Does anyone happen to know the dealer
>>invoice prices for the '93 Probe                              |
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I just bought a new '93 Probe with manual, 4 cylinder, AC and the 253A 
optional equipment package and  ABS and the 15" wheels.  It listed for 
$17,618 at a dealer which posts one discounted price and will not deal 
(no kidding). Their discounted price was $15,971.  Also, 
I noticed one reply to your posting mentioned warranty--the Probe 
warranty is 3yrs/36,000 miles, bumper-to-bumper.  I think its a great 
car (a Mazda MX6 underneath, its true, but cheaper and prettier!)