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From: iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Bujold and Ellison (sad news re HE)
Date: 2 Jan 93 13:38:26 EST
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Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Dec31.234732.4288@zip.eecs.umich.edu>,
tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: 
> In article <1992Dec29.152133.16646@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>one.  On a sadder note, I thought I'd let the Ellison fans out there know that
>>HE is going to have triple-bypass surgery on the 4th.  Let's hope for a speedy
>>recovery for a fabulous author.
> 
> Or more appropriately, that you make more of an effort to check your facts
> before posting such or at least state where you heard this. While I haven't
> gone to the trouble of phoning Harlan and S
sorry for my mistake.  I was told by somebody at borderlands press, when I called 
to oreder the book (CotEoF).  She told me that HE was having surgery and they 
were holding the orders until they knew how he was doing.  after I posted
the message, I realized I was being dumb, and I really should have found out
more, or minded my own buisness.

					David
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:15:31 GMT

jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE):
>By the way, being influential is NOT the sole criterion for the canon--

Of course not.  It's one of the criteria.  A slippery one, though, because
an influential book is usually influential because of other virtues.

>otherwise we'd still be reading Kipling.  

You mean some schools don't?  No wonder the world is in the shape it's in!

>(Good characterization, but rather Huckleberry-Finnish in its lack of PC.)

I'd characterize most of Kipling's works (not all, of course) as fairly 
neutral with respect to political correctness.

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From: bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Science Fiction
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:02:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies

> 
> In article <9212181351.AA04903@rutgers.edu> JXA01@albnydh2.BITNET writes:
> 
> >Could someone please help? I am looking for science fiction stories that
> >have motorcycling as a main theme or component of the story. >
> 

Try _Snow Crash_ by, and I'm really reachin' for the name here,
Neil Williamson? Fairly recent book. If I made a hash out of the 
name, feel free to jump all over me and provide the correct one.

Not too bad a book in places, too.

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"of beautiful weeds that cannot hide from the farmer and helplessly have 
to watch the shadow of his simian stoop leave mangled flowers in its wake, 
as the monstrous darkness approaches."--V. Nabokov _Signs and Symbols_
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From: petert@deneb.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Peter Thompson)
Subject: Re: Jack the Bodiless: Who is Fury
Organization: AOSG
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:37:05 GMT

In article <29DEC199214401565@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, dweissman@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (WiseGuy) writes:
|> All right.  It's been at least 2 weeks since I've seen this discussion and
|> since it's been a quiet week ....
|> 
|> Any thoughts on who Fury is?
|> 
|> I can think of only 3 people it could be:
|> Denis Remillard
|> Paul Remillard
|> Marc Remillard
|> 
|> All were present when Victor 'bit the big one' and could have been infected
|> when Fury was 'born, inevitably'.
|> ===============================================================================

Don't see why these are the only possibilities to present themselves.  Others
were certainly present also.  I discount Marc and Denis, as they were 
aware of Fury at the onset.  Don't know about Paul (being Fury that is).  
Somehow, I think there's a good possibility it is one of the woman.
Don't remember names or have the book in front of me, but I suspected
the, ah, spinster sister.  The fact that she was off planet sheparding
Marc at the time of one of the attacks in no one diminishes this belief!



|> Dave Weissman - Corporate WAN/LAN Networking

PeterT
From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re^2: Motorcycle Science Fiction
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:14:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes:

>Neal Stephenson wrote SNOW CRASH.  Good book, too.  As are his others
>(which are all but impossible to find, unfortunately.)

>-------------------
>Matt Maxwell
>mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Amen to that, bro! 
I have 'The Big U' and have read it many times.  I
understand that he also wrote another book, and once
upon a time I knew what it was called.  Anyone care
to refresh my memory?

ObThreadReference: I should point out that, good as it
is, 'Snow Crash' is only *virtually* a motorcycle SF 
book.  (HHOS)

But how can you dislike a book whose main character
is named 'Hiro Protagonist'?

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From: howsonj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Fremen Unite!!!!!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:18:50 GMT

Achlan wasachlan (Welcome twice welcome). It's me again. I'm not sure but I got
,an inside tip that there are plans to make a sequal to the movie, Dune. Tell
me what you think. Thanx.

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From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Anarchy in S.F.
Keywords: Anarchy
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.173931.7900@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>In article <BzIG2K.3xD@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>|> I can think of two SF novels that have anarchy or anarchic societies as a
>|> theme and context. They are:
>|>
>|>     THE DISPOSSESSED by U.LaGuin
>|>     INHERIT THE STARS by Hogan
>|>
>|> Can you good folks think of any others?
>

 ANARCHAOS (I don't remember the author, but the title sticks with me)

 About a planet settled by anarchists several generations after the
 believers in anarchy have passed on.
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in S.F.
Keywords: Anarchy
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:39:31 GMT

In article <BzIG2K.3xD@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
|> I can think of two SF novels that have anarchy or anarchic societies as a
|> theme and context. They are:
|> 
|> 	THE DISPOSSESSED by U.LaGuin
|> 	INHERIT THE STARS by Hogan
|> 
|> Can you good folks think of any others?

      THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS by R. A. Heinlein
      ILLUMINATUS!! by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson
      THE PEACE WAR by Vernor Vinge

After a few minutes thinking about this :-) , I conclude that there are more
novels that deal with different types of government, sometimes with anarchic 
aspects, than there are novels explicitly 'about' anarchy. For instance,
would the lawlessness of parts of Niven and Pournelle's LUCIFERS HAMMER
be on topic, or does the anarchic *society* have to exist?

   Interesting question, Alan

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From: DCHANG@uhccmvs.BITNET (Doreen Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Ellison
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:16:00 GMT

Question:  Does anyone remember the title of the Harlan Ellison short story
on which the movie "Terminator" was initially based?

Does anyone know the title of an anthology in which I can find said story?

Does anyone know where I can find Philip K. Dick's "We Can Remember It for
You Wholesale"?
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From: Marty.Moore@launchpad.unc.edu (Marty Moore)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in S.F.
Keywords: Anarchy
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.203427.18248@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.173931.7900@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>>In article <BzIG2K.3xD@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>>|> I can think of two SF novels that have anarchy or anarchic societies as a
>>|> theme and context. They are:
>>|> Can you good folks think of any others?
>>
>
> ANARCHAOS (I don't remember the author, but the title sticks with me)
>
> About a planet settled by anarchists several generations after the
> believers in anarchy have passed on.

ANARCHAOS is by Donald E. Westlake.  He's better known for his mystery and
crime novels, but has written some sterling SF.  ANARCHAOS can be found in
the collection TOMORROW'S CRIMES, along with some of Westlake's short SF.
It is *well* worth reading.

Marty Moore

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From: kasprj@jec310.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:28:13 GMT

In article <168CA13192.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
|> Niven is working
|> on _Destiny's Road_ based on Michael Whelan cover.  (Don't ask me; I don't
|> know what it is)
 
 There were a few tidbits about this mentioned in _N-Space_. The basic plot
idea: colony ships land on a world shrouded in mist. One ship goes out 
exploring, using fusion drive for hover effect. Creates a "road" of fused 
rock as it travels outward from the landing site in ever-widening spirals.
Explorers never return. Years later, people from the colony set out along
the road to find what became of them.
 
 Sounds like it could be good. But meanwhile I'm going to be camping on the
steps of the local library waiting for _The Gripping Hand_.
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From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.physics,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: John Woods Campbell
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:50:44 GMT
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Back-References: <1huufiINNplv@transfer.stratus.com>

In <1992Dec31.130240.1991@math.ucla.edu> David Stein wrote:
>>Among other things, Campbell was the first editor in SF to insist on plausible
>>science and *good writing*.  He did not merely `influence' SF, he *defined*
>>SF as we know it today --- as a literature of plausible extrapolation centered
>>on human reactions to technological change and challenge.  
> 
>   Sounds just like J. Verne's idea of science fiction.

Plausible but wrong.  Read Panshin's discussion of Verne in _The_World_Beyond_
The_Hill_ for an effective refutation.
 
>>Even Campbell's most vociferous critics are operating, more than they realize,
>>within the conceptual framework Campbell created.  His reinvention of SF was
>>so sweeping, so complete, that it became invisible.  
> 
>   A completely sweeping assertion, but the argument is invisible.
>   Can you show some evidence?

Do your own homework (I cited some sources to start with in my reply to Ken
Arromdee).  There is quite a bit of good scholarship on this subject, not to
mention first-person testimony from writers who were active before, during,
and after the Campbellian revolution.
 
>   You do not explain how Campbell redirected the thinking of SF writers so 
>   as to "reinvent" SF. 

I don't have to.  They've done it themselves, at length, in print.  Campbell's
influence is well documented.  If you want to argue this further, repair your
ignorance first.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: My last reply.
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:01:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.213912.28781@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere):
>>The great works of humanity will have value as long as humanity exists. True 
>>art is timeless. For example, the Mona Lisa, the Pyramids, the Meso-American
>>works, the great wall of China and other forms of art will be inspiring and 
>>impressing people for ages to come for they touch on something in all of us.
>
>Art may be long, but it's hardly timeless.  The works of antiquity, in
>particular, tend to draw most of their importance *from* their antiquity.
>15,000-year-old cave paintings are significant precisely because they
>tell us that humans were painting 15,000 years ago.  When such paintings
>are produced today, they typically go on fridge doors.  Modern technology
>allows us to easily (if not cheaply) produce a pyramid twice the size
>of the largest Egyptian pyramid.  How inspiring would you find that?

The curious point is that so many modern engineering works are omitted
from the list.  The Great Wall may represent an ambitious project--but
art?  I don't think so.  However, if engineering 'marvels' are to be
included, then one ought to consider things like the VAB, the
Interstate Highway System, the California Aqueduct or the Panama
Canal.  

There was a sobering item in the paper today (in answer to a list of
trivia questions posed last week).  When it is completed, the largest
made-made structure in the world will be the Fresh Kills Landfill
in New York...  How does one classify that?

	--Hal

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From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: Universe - The Game
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.010405.22212@wisdom.bubble.org> bleys@wisdom.bubble.org  
(Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
> In article <199227.2760.4778@dosgate> "jonathan forbes"  
<jonathan.forbes@canrem.com> writes:
> >-> \/   Like strategic interstellar conquest games?  Ask about UNIVERSE!
> >-> \__/
> >
> >This may be slightly off topic, but what's Universe?
> >--
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> 
> I don't know who the original poster Jonathan quoted was, but...
> 
> Universe is an SF RPG written many moons ago by the fun-loving guys at SPI
> (back before it was bought by TSR).  I believe it's also an SF PBM.  I
> can't imagine that the rpg is still in print...
> 

TSR (the D&D folks) inherited rights to UNIVERSE when they bought up SPI at  
fire-sale prices. As far as I know, they never re-issued it, and with good  
reason: UNIVERSE was bloated, unscientific, and almost impossible to moderate.  
I tried to do just that with a group of friends, and the system was so d*****d  
cumbersome and slow that I ended up ignoring all the charts and just throwing  
percentile dice vs. odds generated on the fly in my head. SPI had some decent  
F&SF games (BattleFleet Mars, The Sword and the Stars, Freedom in the Galaxy)  
but had its share of big, bloated unplayable dogs (UNIVERSE, John Carter of  
Mars, and their semi-tongue-in-cheek FRPG whose name escapes me [Swords and  
Sorcery?]).

Having said all that, I'm curious about the original reference above to  
UNIVERSE being a "strategic interstellar conquest game". The SPI game UNIVERSE  
wasn't that at all (it was intended as a direct challege to TRAVELLER). This  
leads me to believe that the original poster was referring to yet another game  
named "UNIVERSE", and that all this discussion has been irrelevant (and has  
kept me from doing what I'm supposed to be doing, viz., fixing bugs in our  
product to get it to alpha acceptance).  ..bruce..

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From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:20:47 GMT
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In article <1992Dec20.174637.5042@eff.org>, Glen Cox writes:

> Andrew Calyton writes:
> 
> >R.A. Lafferty [alas, he's dead]
> 
> What?!  When did this happen?  Alas! is right.

Er, he is, isn't he? someone told me. I'm sure.

Perhaps he's really Philip Jose Farmer. That would _really_ rot
my socks.

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From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Geoffrey Landis/SF Age #2
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:28:57 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <21DEC92.08290160@wums.wustl.edu>, w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu writes:
> Geoffry Landis had an excellent short story in the December Science
> Fiction Age (#2) entitled "The Cost of Styxite".
> 
> Is anyone here familiar with anything else he has written?  This is the
> first of his work I have come across.

I'm familiar with the Usenet postings he wrote when he was a grad
student at Brown...  as far as I know, Dr. Landis hasn't been involved
in the Net since he joined NASA Lewis.  

His story "Adrift in the Dirac Sea" was nominated for a Hugo in 1991. 
Sorry, don't have a citation-- check the best-of-year anthologies.
His story  "A Walk in the Sun" *won* the Hugo for Best Short Story in
1992. It was published in the October 1991 issue of *Isaac Asimov's
Science Fiction Magazine*.  

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From: PHKAVENY@MACC.WISC.EDU (Philip E. Kaveny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Reaction to paper proposal on virtual library paper
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:46:00 GMT


	Excuse me if I am out of line  for trying to post in this mammer, but I
am a little new at this. I am a  48 year old graduate student  in library and
information studies doing am independent study on the Virtual Library. If any of
f you attend conventions I may have met you. I am going to try to post my
proposal with the I may get some reaction.
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:20:38 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Dec21.214013.11467@mixcom.com>, Caughill@mixcom (Caughill) writes:
>In <21DEC92.08445097@wums.wustl.edu> w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>>Anyway, can anyone suggest other Niven novels I might
>>want to check out? [besides _Mote_]
>
>     Asking which Niven book to read next is like asking which flavor of ice
>cream to try next - it really doesn't matter they're all great.

I wouldn't go that far.  For a long time, Niven was on my "must buy/read"
(depending on how much cash I had available at any given time) list.

However, starting, I think, with _Footfall_, Niven has written some novels
that are less than wonderful.  _Footfall_ is pretty much an uninspired
re-work of _Lucifer's Hammer_, for instance.  And what I've heard about
_Fallen Angels_ makes me want to stay far away.

I read _Dreampark_ when it first came out; I don't remember that I was
particularly impressed.  I haven't read any of the follow-ups.

I would certainly recommend virtually anything he wrote before _Footfall_.
_Legacy of Heorot_ (or however it's spelled) is pretty good, and so is
_Oath of Fealty.  Also be sure to watch for _The Gripping Hand_ (unless
they change the name again), which is the sequel to _Mote_ and due out
this spring.  Also, you might consider going to the library and checking
out _N-Space_ and/or _Playgrounds of the Mind_.  These two (recently published)
books contain a survey of Niven's work (along with comments and explanations).
They would be a good place to find other things you might be interested in
reading.

As a general comment on Niven's writing, I think that part of the problem
is that for the most part, he's better at writing short stories than
novels.  IMHO, much of his best work involves the "Known Space" series of
stories, a large part of which consists of short stories.  It's also worth
noting that at least two of his novels (_Protector_ and _A World Out of Time_)
started out as shorter works, and were expanded to novel-length.

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From: Ian_Wojtowicz@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Talisman of Shannara.
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:00:57 GMT
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Can anyone tell me when "Talisman of Shannara" by Terry Brooks is going to be
released? It is the fourth (and final?) book in the "Heritage of Shannara"
series.

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