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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Posting of Sunday

Scoldeth      "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> Btw, the List Angel is NOT old -- she's eight years younger than the
> List Goddess.

     Wait a minute, here.  Most of the postings that I recall (though
not all) didn't say she was old, merely that she was older than had
been presumed.  Even Mama Judith isn't old, merely older.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

Respondeth Dr. AXD7104

> BTW, how does this "Gleanings" system work?  Are we only supposed to respond t
o
> our own references, or can anybody join in?

     Any number and anyone can play.  Akio gleans, everyone else responds.
And someone responds incorrectly, it will be noted and corrected (sometimes
repeatedly) in future responses to that gleaning.

The Ronin
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:47:17 EDT Mark Susskind said:
>When I see the name 'Karen Kay', I have been thinking, "Oh, she must be in her
>twenties."  Then, reality sets in, and I feel sad.  41!  Many Happy Returns!
>


I am beginning to feel a little resentful about all these *men* expressing
dismay over Karen's age (41)... and it's not just that I recently turned 45,
either.... I looked forward to reaching  40 for years...and the past years
have been the best ever... I was right.
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Subject:      Cambridge pre-clam slam
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I'm going to be there tomorrow--I'm not sure what I'll be wearing but
you'll know me by my coughing. I suppose it;ll be a hacking cough,
considering the occasion. If tis cold is as bad tomorrow as it is today,
I'll take the day off from teaching & try to arrive in my Words-L T.
Otherwise it's the jacket and tie and blue jeans routine. --Rod
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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In article <9204130933.AA10620@isis.sics.se> torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
 says:
>  Graham writes, about Turing:
>
>>He was *most* noted for the Church-Turing thesis on the halting problem;
>>after that he was noted for his proof that all computation models can be
>>reduced to a Turing machine.
>
>  Graham, you're talking through your hat in a loud and booming voice.
>There is no such thing as the "Church-Turing thesis on the halting problem".
>Turing never proved that all computation models can be reduced to a
>Turing machine.

There is indeed a Church-Turing thesis (so named because it was developed
independently by both at about the same time).  And this thesis is
directly related to the halting problem.  Note that, as you say, it
is a THESIS, not a PROOF.  That I can see Graham never argued otherwise.

I suppose you can argue whether he was '*most* noted for' this thesis.
But it does exist.  You can find it in texts on computability.  Since
Church developped it slightly earlier it sometimes appears as just
the Church thesis.  But Turing is the one who made it famous.

>  >I wouldn't like our non-CS readers to pick up a bit
>  >of technical jargon and use it incorrectly.
>
>  Hmmm..

Hmmm...
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>In East Cleveland, the schools are starting a dress code based on the
>uniforms of the Catholic schools.  This is to prevent children from
>hurting each other over possessions and to try to stop gang activity.

>Evelyn

I've heard of this elsewhere, too: the "parochial school model."  I
like it.  It strips away the opportunities for kids to subtly (or
not so subtly) compare degrees of parental wealth as reflected in
clothing.  Not that too much is made of individuality: too little is
made of it as a habit of mind, and too much depends on what color
sneakers you're wearing.

Ken
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

For   Fredric <FDOLEZAL@UGA.BITNET>

     First, my apologies for misspelling your name.  My mistake.

     Second, one should always avoid arguing with an ass.  People may not
be able to tell the difference.  I withdraw from this conversation.

The Ronin
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Subject:      Re: Swedish cake mix
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              11 Apr 92 10:52:58 -0500. <9204111503.AA12491@sics.se>

     >Notice: The manufacturers are not responsible for the
     >effects of [any?] cakes baked with this mix by motherly
     >women active in international exchange of electronic mail.

  This is a fine translation! The missing dots are indeed those that
should go over e.g. "a" in "ata" and "o" in "for". The chief problem
of computer science as well as software technology in this country is
that of making these dots appear where they should. The amount of time
and money spent annually on this problem is staggering.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS
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> My skin crawls every time I hear our high school students talk about
> "laying out" (in the sun to tan).

Sometimes I interpret such utterances as elliptical and start envisioning
the implied objects and the scenes.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who really is logging off now...
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Nashanul Akadame, agin

Sayeth        "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> >    Had the dispersal of dictionaries been held off
> > another generation, perhaps American orthography at least would have become
> > more phonetic, to the relief of millions.
>
> I doubt it.  Spelling had become relatively consistent (and quite
> inconsistent with pronunciation) a good while before dictionaries started
> appearing in England.

     I have trouble conceiving of how the printing of a dictionary
could be a profitable venture until spelling gained some consistency.
And (outside of governments) I doubt someone would print something
wihtout the expectation of recoverring their investment.

The Ronin
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

>     Any number and anyone can play.  Akio gleans, everyone else responds.
>And someone responds incorrectly, it will be noted and corrected (sometimes
>repeatedly) in future responses to that gleaning.
>
>The Ronin

However!  Let it herewith be known that those who consistently (and quite often
incorrectly) respond to a gleaning belonging to someone else shall forthwith be
labled with the title "Gleanraptor".  This is a title to be worn with shame.
The last person to wear this shameful chapeau, this humble hat, has not been
heard from in months.

Chris
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Subject:      Re: Goodbye
              15 Apr 1992 00:52:00 EST from <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:52:00 EST Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore said:
>>Alas, the problem is not a technical one and so doesn't have a
>>technical solution.  There are, actually, commercial options for
>>connecting to the internet...but they are generally impractical on a
>>student budget.
>
don't recall if anyone suggested the Cleveland FreeNET to you yet...not
sure if there's a limit on messages, though....
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Update on Pre-Clam Slam
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:33:14 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92040910480126@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Dan Lester) writes:
:On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:24:00 MDT The Ronin said:
:>Sayeth        Rita <rita@EFF.ORG>
:>
:>> leather jacket -- I suggest we all post exactly what we're wearing tomorrow
:>> so we can find each other more easily (and better hog bandwidth).
:>
:>     Does that mean no nude posting in Cambridge, tomorrow?
:>
:   Couldn't "what we're wearing" include an empty set?  And besides, its
:always possible to be wearing something at first....

and you could be wearing thin on top...

G
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Subject:      Re: Isaac Asimov
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>Is it true that Asimov would not fly ?  I've heard this repeated many times,
>but it sounds like one of those UL things.

>Tony H.

	I've heard the same story about Ray Bradbury.  In both cases, it seems
	a bit unbelievable.

	So what's the final count of works by Asimov?  I know that sounds
	crass, but he did always make a big deal about it.

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Steve--

I was just testing to see whether the link was down, or whether everyone
had run off to some party I hadn't heard about. :)

--Aaron
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      nn (was Re: Hello???)
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> The problem happens here from time to time and I am dependent upon
> users to tell me that something is wrong (if nobody tells me then the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If I happen to be in a usenet mood, that is no problem at all.

> problem lasts until I check it each weekday morning).  Yet I can
> provide ample witnesses that I am neither lazy nor a sys.nazi.

True.  Now can I have more disk space??  :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: Re: grammar

>Good answer.  (And note that I did not say that there were not good
>answers to the question.  I was surprised, however, that the first
>answer posted happened to be a good one.)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Maybe it's because I watched the computer show Monday night, but it seemed to
me that all of Nalalie's questions were something a Turing machine might have
responded with (or something with which a Turning machine might have responed).

Chris
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: bonus points?
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>>From the Professor of Portigaliciousness
>
>> That's not fair.  I want royalties.  I propose a new system whereby
>> BWP bonus points can be given out (though some method to be determined
>> later) for good phrases, retorts, etc.
>
>     At the very least, if you want bonus points for coining a phrase
>you should provide a detailed explanation of where the phrase came
>from, what you were thinking about at the time, and why this phrase is
>better suited to the concept than what we used to use.
>
>The Ronin

  Dr. T. Ronin:  if you're going to quote me, why don't you quote the relvant
parts, like the next paragraph where I stated that on this list, with all
it's cleverness and originality, there's no point in such bonuses.  And of
course I *was* being facetious.

Dr. Steve

Hey how come I didn't get "eth'ed"
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject: Re: Hello???

> Hilarious.  You have only a vague idea what is wrong but don't hesitate
> to refer to people you don't know as 'sys.nazis'.  Rude bastard aren't
> you?

Oh my, where should I begin...?

a) A vague bit of help is better than none at all.  I didn't know that someone
of your Oracle-like Wisdom would be around to reply.  If I had known, I would
never have stooped so low as to try to help someone.

b) The term 'sys.nazis' is common amongst us young arrogant hooligans who take
valuable CPU time away from the important users such as yourself.  The term is
about as serious as calling someone a 'nerd,' if that.  To some, it is
actually a term of endearment.  Perhaps you find it to be politically
incorrect.  If so, I can't help that.

c) I was using the term as a GENERALIZATION.  It was not in reference to any
PARTICULAR person or any PARTICULAR group of administrators at any one site.
However, I do know one sysadmin at one certain site. You might be surprised at
the drawing on the wall of his office of a himself hacking away while wearing
an SS uniform.

d) Rude bastard? I'l leave that up to everyone who read my original message
and your reply to make the decision as to which message is ruder.

> together.  Building this database is too time consuming to do on the
> fly so a separate nnmaster process is in charge of keeping up with this
> database.  Alas, there is some sort of quirk in this program that seems
> to cause it to just go to sleep.  It's still running and still using CPU
> but it doesn't seem to actually update the database.  The only way to
> tell that anything is wrong is to specifically go looking for it.

If said 'quirk' isn't something that requires an administrator to perform
maintenance on a regular basis, then I don't know what is.  Thank you for
confirming my original theory.

> The problem happens here from time to time and I am dependent upon
> users to tell me that something is wrong (if nobody tells me then the
> problem lasts until I check it each weekday morning).  Yet I can
> provide ample witnesses that I am neither lazy nor a sys.nazi.

Good! I'm glad that you regularly check it.  I've been on systems where
the admins DON'T!  I said it "depends on whether" they do or not.

> Perhaps we should seek to understand the problem before insulting
> strangers.

I agree.  However, I wasn't insulting you.  But you're a stranger to
me, and I'm obviously pretty enraged over your reply.  Next time you've got
a problem with a posting of mine, email me privately and we'll straighten it
out.  It will also keep me from having to post responses like the above to
the list.

--Aaron
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: re: Wagner's Law
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>Wagner's Law is a good topic, but get your butt up to the front and
>pay attention.  Adolph Heinrich Gotthilf Wagner, born March 25, 1935,
                                                  *******************
>died November 8, 1917.  Wagner was an economist at Berlin.  He was
**********************
>                          Bill Sjostrom

Hey, wait a minute...is he by any chance related to P.D.Q. Bach?
Perhaps P.D.Q. is a *long-lost* ancestor of his? (One of those
ancestors he would have preferred to stay lost?) ;-)

Jill

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Jill Werts                 (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
Dialog Information Services
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Respondeth Dr. QXN148

> Whatssa matta youze can't take a joke,

     You mean I put new blades in the wood chopper for 'cusin Antony'
for nothing?  Damn.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye

Pondereth     CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET

> I couldn't do e-mail (because I had no address) but I could connect to
> anything else I wanted with a local call to Georgia Tech....doesn't this
> work everywhere?

     Not around here.  The spectre that a non-student/faculty/staffer
might actually use one of the school's resources is a driving force
behind policy around here.  We have four seperate institutions on this
campus ( three schools and a landlord), but it isn't possible to use
the communications network of one to access a second unless one has an
account with the first.

The Ronin
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      "nothing wrong"

Torkel says:

>                      The idea that there is nothing wrong with any
>changes in human culture that can be attributed to factors that are in
>some sense "natural" or are directly related to people's "needs" is a
>value judgment, philosophical in character and in need of further
>elucidation, and not something that we can learn from linguistics.

I didn't read all the letters on this thread, since I thought I knew down
cold what Natalie's position is, but this brings up a doubt. What exactly
does Natalie mean by "nothing wrong" ?

I would guess that she is merely delimiting the scope of present day
linguistics. She cannot be making a value judgement, since apparently
linguistics rules that out. The question merely is: what is more interest-
ing, a study of existing language or prescribing grammar ?

The answer to this is of course subjective, but if we agree that the
study of astronomical objects and biological species, conducted in the way
we do at present is interesting, then a descriptive study of language is
interesting. The statement merely means that a descriptive study is
consistent with the method of study in the "sciences".

This, I think, is what is meant by "nothing wrong". Vaguely, something
like "not ruled out by theory," or "linguists are indifferent," or that
the question of whether to take a prescriptive position and if so, which,
is a question external to linguistics as is done today. It might be sloppy
language, but shorthand is always used by everyone.

(An example of a sentence which IS bad is : "If two people are speaking
different dialects, they are both right." This directs attention to some
principle that "right" is subjective, when the discussion is about what
the linguist thinks.)



Perhaps indulging in linguistics too much might also colour one's views
about the state of the language, but there is no essential connection
between them. The situation is different from that of a physicist, who
must necessarily believe in a certain view of the world. I don't think
that linguistics has a moralistic component. And most certainly not an
activist component.

tushar
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: BWP Stats 4/8/92 *The Ronin Takes the Gold!*

Complaineth (and quite properly) Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

> What I want to know is, why am I listed under three addresses, when
> I, unlike Natalie, Don Roby, Anne Harwell, and others, only have one
> measly address.
>
> Well, List Goddess and Listmeisters?????
>
> > LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CU...   71  <---Sisterhood is powerful level
> > Karen Kay                   11
> > LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UG...   8

Karen,

     You are not the only one affected by this.  While I cannot
provide an answer in all cases (I am affected the same way), I am
working on a program that would be able to 'condense' these multiple
entries into one total for purposes of proper BWP measurement.  Should
be up, tested and running by next week's posting.  By which time
Natalie should have overtaken me and regained her crown.

The Ronin
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