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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Food Dehydrators and Food for Backpacking
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:30:02 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Has anyone used dehydrators to do dried foods for backpacking?  I've
thought about getting one seen in a Damark catalog for about $50 but
thought I'd get the low-down first.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:35:48 GMT

Two suggestions:

1. Any stove that is reliable and likes to burn kerosene.

2. A stove like the Sierra Zip Ztove or the better made German stove
   available from Apex Intl. These will burn twigs, grass, paper,
   charcoal; even dried dung.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: More Water Filter questions
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:47:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> Are water filters likely to *freeze*?

Of course they are, especially if they have water inside them.
This wouldn't happen after they've been dried out, but how are
you going to dry them in subfreezing temperatures?

The more important question is, will freezing harm them?  The
unfortunate answer is, sometimes.  The Katadyn's ceramic filter
has been known to crack, rendering it useless.  I should think
the Pur and MSR would be a bit more resilient, with their metal,
fiber, or paper filter elements.

The bottom line is, if you suspect your filter may freeze and
crack, you better have a backup purification method available.
This is a good idea anyway, since filters can clog.

Xref: sparky rec.backcountry:9983 rec.photo:23151
From: luong@naxos.inria.fr (Quang-Tuan Luong)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.photo
Subject: backpacking with medium format cameras
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:59:59 GMT
Reply-To: luong@sophia.inria.fr
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Inria Sofia Antipolis

Hi,

I am wondering if anyone often carries a medium format camera while
doing mountain hikes. If yes, what models do you use, and what is the
approximate weight ?

Tuan.
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:03:00 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <29623@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:
> 1.  What is the physiological effect of coca?
> 2.  Are there side effects?

I say an article by a published philosopher/socio/ologist/linguist
that discussed this issue.  I will try to find it.

> Rich Evans
> 
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
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From: rkohli@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Ordering of infromation inhibits paralellism!)
Subject: Five to Seven Day Backpack Ideas in New-Mexico/Colorado
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:05:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

Greetings all,
     	I was looking for suggestions for doing a long backpack trip (preferably
a loop) in the New Mexico/Colorado area this summer.

Any kind of input is welcome. Please E-MAIL and I will summarize if there is 
adequate response.

Thanks for your attention.
B-) Ranjan
Systems Mgr,
School of Mathematics.
Univ of Oklahoma.
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: More Water Filter questions
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:26:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

The [l/m 9/25/92] Water filters & Giardia post was very informative
and will no doubt prove very helpful to myself and all who've read it.
I have a couple questions in addition to those covered.

Are water filters likely to *freeze*? And if so are there suggestions
on whether there are safe uses under such conditions or ways to *thaw*
them?  I noticed you noted that above 5c the charcoal filters were ok
but does that mean that only the charcoal filters have problems with
freezing?

If the explorer is around $60 then has anyone heard if Campmor or
other mail-order houses have them yet?  I got the brochures from PUR
on the scout and explorer but found the square-off between them and
the First-need very helpful.  Thanks again...
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Firewatch
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:56:19 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1if391INNpdj@shelley.u.washington.edu> mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>  hello.  I am interested in working at a firewatch station over the
>summer but I don't know where to begin to look.  Can anybody out there
>help me?  What are the qualifications, wages, locations, etc.?

I think you have been replaced by satellites and planes.  I understand
a number of towers have been refurbished for rentals, but you might still
find a free one to occupy for awhile.

	 George Tucker        tucker@shiva.hac.com
	Signature line awaiting FDA approval.

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From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 5/20/91] Rachel Carson's Words: Distilled Wisdom (10/28)	XYZ
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

Panel 10

Rachel Carson was perhaps the most influential environmentalist
to have lived in the modern era.  She wrote simply and clearly, and when
her ideas came under attack, she was ultimately vindicated.  If you want
to learn about the backcountry environment, you will find no
finer set of books.  They rank with Darwin's Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection.  She died in 1963 of breast cancer.

"We still think in terms of conquest.  We still haven't become mature enough
to think of ourselves as only a tiny part of a vast and incredible universe.
Man's attitude toward nature is today critically important simply because
we have now acquired a fateful power to alter and destroy nature.  But
man is a part of nature and his war against nature is inevitablly a war
against himself.  The rains have become an instrument to bring down
from the atmosphere the deadly products of atomic explosions.  Water,
which is probably our most important natural resource, is now used and
reused with incredible recklessness.  Now, I truly believe that we in this
generation must come to terms with nature, and I think we're challenged
as mankind has never been challenged before to prove our maturity
And our mastery, not of nature, but of ourselves."
		--Rachel Carson
			"The Silent Spring of Rachel Carson"
			Copyright \(co 1963 CBS Reports,
			Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc.

*After publication of Silent Spring, certain spokesmen for the
pesticide industry claimed that Rachel Carson was not a trained biologist.
For them should be reserved a special corner in the Library of Hell,
equipped with a barnacle-covered bench and a whale-oil lamp, by which
whose light they would be compelled to read out loud her masters thesis:
"The Development of the Pronephros During the Embryonic and Early
Larval of the Catfish (Inctalurus Punctatus)."
		--Paul Brooks
		"The House of Life: Rachel Carson at Work," 1972,1989
		Her editor

TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:

10/ Words from Rachel Carson			<* THIS PANEL *>
11/ Snake bite
12/ Netiquette
13/ Questions on conditions and travel
14/ Dedication to Aldo Leopold
15/ Leopold's lot.
16/ Morbid backcountry/memorial
17/ Information about bears
18/ Poison ivy, frequently ask, under question
19/ Lyme disease, frequently ask, under question
20/ "Telling questions" backcountry Turing test (under construction)
21/ AMS
22/ Words from Foreman and Hayduke
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment
26/ Other news groups of related interest, networking
27/ Films/cinema references
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER
2/ Ethics
3/ Learning I
4/ learning II (lists, "Ten Essentials," Chouinard comments)
5/ Summary of past topics
6/ Non-wisdom: fire-arms topic circular discussion
7/ Phone / address lists
8/ Fletcher's Law of Inverse Appreciation and advice
9/ Water Filter wisdom
From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:14:24 GMT

This is interesting. I have never been one for homeopathic medicines, but AS
might be a good example of where homeopathic medicines are uniquely suited.
I'm taking a team of 12 Venture Boy Scouts to 11,000 feet (they are aclimatized
to 4800 ft) in March and would be willing to do a field test (assuming their
parents don't object).  A few questions:

1.  What is the physiological effect of coca?
2.  Are there side effects?
3.  How can I get the medicines?
4.  What dosage?
5.  How do I set the test up so that it is scientificaly valid?

Any physiologists/backpackers willing to help on this?

Rich Evans
From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Rainier Best Time
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:20:09 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsrc13.col.hp.com

  When is a good time to climb Rainier?  We were thinking about May, but some
  members of the group expressed concern over that time frame, and think that
  June or later might be better. 


Thanks,
chris magnuson
chrism@col.hp.com
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From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke)
Subject: Re: Fabric Supplier for GoreTex and Polartec Wanted
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:38:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.182248.46095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>Anyone know of fabric suppliers for goretex or polartec that might do
>mailorder?  Thanks again everyone...
>

I know they used to sell Gortex fabric retail in Canada, but it was eventually
stopped by Gore, since they had too many people claiming faulty fabric, when it
was really because they didn't/couldn't seal the seams.

As far as I know, you still can't purchase it here.

dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell)
Subject: Re: Fabric Supplier for GoreTex and Polartec Wanted
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:04:05 GMT

In article <C0DB63.HDw@news.udel.edu> sex@chopin.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis) writes:
>WL Gore, Inc.
>Elkton, MD ????? (any help with zip codes?)

Silly..don't worry about zip codes. They are voluntary (and I choose not to
volunteer), and they carry a hefty (was it $1000? I forget) fine for
discriminating against you for not using them.
From: ejk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (EDWIN J. KAY)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:12:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

My son will be traveling in Eastern Europe and Turkey this spring, and he
intends to bike tour and camp along the way.  What is the best camp stove to
bring to be assured of being able to find fuel?
-- 
  --Ed
-------------------------------
Edwin J. Kay, CSEE, 117 Packard Lab, 19 Lehigh U, Bethelehem, PA 18015
(215)758-3623  EJK0@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU
From: au143@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mikael Niku)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Backcountry Tips Wanted
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:51:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'd like you - the readers of rec.backcountry - to post (or
maybe it's better to mail me and I'll try to make some kind
of a summary) little backcountry tips you know... perhaps a 
little general a request, but let's see what happens.
 
Just for example, two small inventions of me and my friends:
 
RECYCLER'S KINDLING
     Take some old newspapers, tear them to pieces and soak
     them in water for some time (by the way, the vessel used
     tends to get some nice black color from the paper). Stir
     if necessary. The purpose is to produce some wet pulp
     which you can compress into small - not too thick ! - 
     blocks. Try to get as much water as possible out of
     the blocks, then let them dry - or dry them in oven or
     something (be careful so that they won't catch fire !).
     Melt old candles or something like that and soak the dried
     blocks in the paraffine/stearine/whatever you have. Let
     them cool and they're ready to be used... easy to light,
     burn long, don't get wet - and made of recycled materials !
              
A MINI-MAGLITE TIP
     Well, this is applicable to any flashlight of the size
     fitting to a pocket.
     Small flashlights are useful in backcountry activities -
     not too heavy to carry. The only problem is that they
     tend to drop and get lost. A solution is to attach them
     with a string in the breast pocket of the coat;
     better yet to use a "yo-yo" they use with downhill skiing
     tickets - this pulls the flashlight back to the pocket when
     it's no longer needed.

-- 
----- Mikael Niku [a.k.a. Turilas]
***** E-Mail: au143@cleveland.freenet.edu
----- SnailMail: Puodinmaentie 23, 91900 Liminka, FINLAND
*********************************************************
Xref: sparky rec.backcountry:10107 rec.climbing:5179
From: goldberg@unixg.ubc.ca (Goldberg Andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:11:35 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <Jan11.203036.10755@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.053606.184@midway.uchicago.edu> bejohnst@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>If winter climbs were attempted only by experinced people,
>>there'd be no experienced people.
>
>Great quote!  Neither would there be a well-defined notion of stupidity.
>If people didn't go out and get themselves killed, how would the rest
>of us define the limits?
>
>A question for the net:  If one stays completely within ones limits, is
>there any adventure?


	Sure, just fail to realize that you're not quite there yet.  I do it
	all the time.  Almost as exciting as the bona fide article.

	Perhaps a good reason to avoid racing up the learning curve with
	peers whose quantity Vs. quality of 'adventure' reminds one of
	the ratrace 'we' are supposed to be so suspect of.

	On the other hand, if one doesn't stay within one's limits, 
	how on earth are we supposed to have any notion of self-identity?



-- 
Mucho Maas       Human Race Life Member - "The best insanity is no defense"

------------------c/o goldberg@unixg.ubc.ca----------------------------------
From: dwm@roanoke.fibercom.com (Dave Minnich)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Fabric Supplier for GoreTex and Polartec Wanted
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:45:19 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia


I'd recommend Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics.  I've only dealt with them once, but
they were very helpful, and they have anything you might dream of in terms of
outdoor fabrics (cordura, packcloth, lycra, neoprene, goretex, etc.).  They may
be contacted at:

	Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics
	2511 Latah Drive
	Nampa, ID  83651
	(208)466-1602

--dave
-- 
David W. Minnich               INTERNET: dwm@fibercom.com
FiberCom, Inc.                 UUCP: ...!uunet!fibercom!dwm   
P.O. Box 11966                 PHONE: (703) 342-6700, (800) 423-1183 ext. 347
Roanoke, VA  24022-1966        FAX: (703) 342-5961
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From: mark@Newbridge.COM (Mark Tooker)
Subject: Northern Michigan National Parks
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:27:02 GMT

Hi,
I am thinking of travelling to Michigan's Upper Peninsula
this summer and was wondering if anyody out there is
familiar with the following parks:

   Isle Royale National Park
   Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore

Some of the information I would like includes:

  How to get there (Isle Royale) 
  Availability of maps, guidebooks
  Hiking trails
  Campground-type camping facilities
  Backcountry camping
  Wildlife, scenic highlights, etc. 
 
If anyone has addresses for information from the U.S. National
Park Service and the Michigan Dept. of State Parks (or
whatever it is called) these would also be greatly appreciated.

Please post or e-mail your response. I will post a summary
to the net of whatever useful information I receive.

Thanks!

Mark Tooker
 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: kochte@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:14:18 GMT

Recently broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder) wrote:

>In article <29521@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) 
>writes:
>> Altitude sickness is wierd and very difficult to anticipate or prevent.  The
>> best preventitive measure is good physical conditioning (regardless of the 
>> activity).  I have never heard of anyone getting altitude sickness at 8500 ft
>> before, although I guess it's possible.  To what extent did the sickness 
>> develop (ie:headache, nausea, edema).  It may have been something else, such
>> as food poisoning or flu, but mistaken for altitude sickness.
>
>There are studies that show that AS can happen as low as 5500ft....

Do I hear 4500'? 4000'?? Will anyone go for 3500'??? Going once, going twice...

:-)
(jus' feelin' silly t'nite)
MK
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: russ@howard.nafb.trw.com (Russ Vreeland)
Subject: Fees for hiking in LA County?
Organization: TRW Ballistic Missiles Div. San Bernadino, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:03:57 GMT

I just heard, second-hand, that there went into effect this year a fee
for the use of trails in LA County.

The way I heard it, one must pay a yearly hunting-license-like use fee, and
be prepared to show your permit if challenged while on a trail.

I repeat, I heard this - I don`t know if it is true. Can anyone confirm this
or scuttle it?

P.S. The person who told me this distressing news said he saw a news report
where the reporter asked a jogger on a trail about the fee and whether he was
going to pay it or not, the response was "If they can catch me" and went into
a Dave Wottle style kick and disappeared. 

Time to start throwing tea into the harbor?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
R.E.Vreeland

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From: zrwv05@hou.amoco.com (Rod VanKoughnet)
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Reply-To: zrwv05@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:37:54 GMT


> There is an article in the latest American Health magazine on AS.  It 
> seems that aerobic capacity does not lessen your chances  of being stricken.
> Athletes in good shape are just as susceptible as anyone else.  I haven't
> had time to read the article fully, I suggest that you may want to pick
> up a copy.	

I can attest to this.  A couple years ago, I went from Houston (elev. ~50') to a	camp site in the Medicine Bow mountains (elev. ~11,000') in a period of about 2
days.  I woke up late at night with the worst headache I have ever experienced.
When I stood up, I started vomiting.  This persisted until I went down to a lower
elevation.  As far as aerobic activity goes, I was in excellent shape from running,
swimming, and cycling.  I don't think my physical condition had any bearing on the
altitude sickness.  Furthermore, I was car-camping on this occasion and had drove
rather than hiked to the continental divide.

I've not had altitude sickness since then, but I haven't gone from sea level to 
11,000' quite so quickly since then either.

Rod Van Koughnet


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From: tobbe@erix.ericsson.se (Torbj|rn T|rnkvist)
Subject: Experience of Montana ?
Nntp-Posting-User: tobbe
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:00:08 GMT

I would like to hear some experiences from the State 
of Montana, since I've just been reading a book about 
the state in question (quite interesting).
For example places you would recommend to visit etc...

-- 
Thanks / Tobbe (tobbe@erix.ericsson.se)
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:40:48 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

My wife had pretty bad reaction to altitude (at around 8500) and I'm
trying to remember what is best in preparation.  I never have problems
with altitude up to 14000 or so (played bagpipes all though high
school :) so I didn't pay much attention to that stuff in the past.

She wants to know routines that will help here prepare best.  Like
whether swimming is better than running...
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU (Dennis J. Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.

In article <1993Jan5.235229.25539@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>cindy@kolob.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cindy Lee) writes:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>Some friends and I are headed to Mt. Washington (New Hampshire) on January 16th
>>to take a peek from the top.
>>I just wanted to know what the general conditions have been, 
>>e.g. lots of snow, wind, etc.
>
>>Any information would be helpful.
>
>>Thanks
>>Cindy
>
>Going to Mr. Washington in the summertime is best recommended.  In January, I
>would have extremely STRONG reservations having anyone go to the top.
>
>I have no idea as to the experience level of you and your friends, but the
>tone of your posting suggests a casual approach about climbing to the top.
>Due to the usual high winds and unpredictable storms which can blow up without
>a moment's notice, I would strongly, STRONGLY recommend that you please NOT
>go to the top.  There is a lot of danger up there this time of year.
>
>allen

Agreed. Last time I climbed Washington in the wintertime the temperatures (not
including windchill) were well below zero during the day, and wind speeds 
gusted above sixty miles an hour above treeline. Drifts (when we could actually
see through some of the snow blowing around) were usually very deep... nothing
someone familiar with those types of conditions would have a problem with, I'm
sure, but uncomfortable enough for me. 

Rumour has it that Washington only sees about ten sunny days a year... I've been
lucky enough to be on top of the mountain for five days of 75 mile+ visibility
and two of 100 mile+ visibility... but not in winter.

Mount Washington... home of some of the worst weather in the world (and one of
the most annoying parking lots, too! :)

- Dennis
----------------------------------------------------
Dennis J. Wilkinson, II  (pnsf01dw@umassd.edu)
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth - Design/CS Project

The opinions reflected in this post are MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!!!
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