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From: hope@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (hope, sharon)
Subject: Re: Puppy/Kitty Mills
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Organization: Telos Corporation.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:48:00 GMT

In article <C0GEM9.2z1@news.udel.edu>, thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes...
>...deleted stuff... 
>When I got to Florida, I told my friend about the sad ordeal and she
>said "What is a puppy mill?"
> 
>How can we educate these people?  I really thought more people were
>aware of what was going on, but when I pass the pet stores, I see that
>they obviously are not.
> 
>Any suggestions.
> 
>Thuy-An
> 
Hi-
Loan her a copy of Susan Conant's LATEST book (In HARDCOVER, no less!) 
_Bloodlines_.  It is one of her dog lover's mysteries (just finished 
reading it this week) and it is about the evils of puppy mills.

Sharon
hope@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov        "all opinions my own"
4 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, 1 Newfoundland & a Persian
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: teaching the beasts about cat doors
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:07:10 GMT

What we did with my two to teach them how to use the cat doors,
is open it up and actually push them through so they'd see how
it opened. Even Mr. Gray, my less than genius cat, picked up on
how to use the cat door. Now, sometimes they will sit in front
of it and paw it pitifully, like they can't open it. Of course,
when they want to, they blast through there with no problems.
However, they would much rather mom or dad actually get up and
open the other door (without cat door) for them. You know
cats. Gotta love 'em.

Kay Jones
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels)
Subject: Re: Travelling kitty
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:17:06 GMT

barryf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Barry Fowler) writes:
>I flew in a Cessna 210 (non-pressurized cabin).  It was 5 1/2 hours flight time
>with one stop in Salt Lake City for refuel.  We flew at 15,000 ft.
>I was surprised that **NONE** of the cats made a peep.

I'd have been surprised if they had.  At 15,000' in an unpressurized cabin,
chances are that they were mildly hypoxic.  That, and the constant drone of
the engine, should be enough to lull them to sleep.  Or at least inactivity.

-- 
Ron Wessels		University of Toronto		ron@turing.toronto.edu
From: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: early wake up calls
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:03:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan R. Wagner) says:

>I need advice.  My cat, Jester, has this habit of waking me up very
>early in the morning.  He goes through this routine.  First he licks my
>face, if that doesn't work he bats the blinds.  Then as a last resort,
>he bites my nose.  

I inherited one of my cats, QT, from my late aunt, who was a very early
riser. QT's approach was slightly different. If yowling didn't rouse me,
he would reach up and pat me on the face repeatedly. When that failed,
he would pull the blankets off me with his teeth!

It took a little time, but by "playing dead" and ignoring his
ever-so-convincing "I'm starving" pleas, I finally escaped these early
wake-up calls. (btw, I tried shutting the door, but he only banged on
it until he got me up anyway). I always make sure QT has dry cat food
and plenty of water available before I got to bed, which also seems to
help some.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
Originator: young@plasma
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 01:46:45 GMT

In article <1ictmoINN972@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>
>[...]  Most cats are not
>happy unless they go outside at least part of the
>time.

	This is, perhaps, just a bit strong.  Most domestic felines are quite
	content as long as they can adequately survey and monitor what they
	consider to be "their" territory.  If a cat has never seen the 
	outdoors, it will be perfectly happy to live within the boundaries
	of a house or apartment.  The trouble may arise when a cat used to
	roaming is suddenly restricted, or when an unspayed female goes
	into heat, or a fertile tom smells a female in heat.  It is erroneous
	to state flatly that "most cats are not happy unless they go outside
	at least part of the time."  Most cats ARE happy whether they go 
	outside or not, unless they meet one of the criteria above.

	I've owned seven stray cats which were acquired at various ages; only
	one ever showed any interest in escaping the confines of the house...
	and she was an unspayed female.  (No, she never had kittens...she died
	of feline leukemia before I could  afford to have her spayed.)


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Subject: RE:Catflap troubles
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:06:38 GMT

In article <7112@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, you wrote:
> 
> I have a big problem with our catflap, and if it's not resolved soon I shall have to block it up.
> 
> My two cats, Etragon and Pootle, keep letting a large ginger tomcat come into our house through the catflap. This would not be a problem, except that it keeps spraying all over the place. I even found it in my bedroom once - it had sprayed over my bed.
> 
> How do I prevent this without having to keep my cats inside all the time? I have heard about some 'selective' catflaps which only allow certain cats in, but how do they work, where could I get one from, and how much are they?
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Helen

You can get the electromagnetic kind.  Magnets worn on your cat's collar
automatically control the door's opening and closing.  Weatherproof,
transparent flap, 4-way lock.  Fits doors of any thickness.  Includes two
activator collar magnets.  Requires a 9V battery.  The door is 7.68" x
9.53" overall.  Has 6.61" x 8.50" opening.  The price is $46.86 for the
door - order #S45-0532.  Extra Collar Magnets are $6.25 - order # S45-0533.
 You'll have to buy a new door.  If the cat doesn't have the magnet on they
can't get in.  This will keep that cat outside your home.

The phone number for RC Steele is 800-872-3773.  I so happened to have a
catalog at work!!!

Good luck,

Karen

P.S.  Helen, I tried to e-mail you at the following addresses but they were
bounced back to me with Mail returned:Unknown user message.  I tried
7112@m1.cs.man.ac.uk and morphet@cguhpa.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Helen Morphet). 
Neither worked so I am posting to this board.
__________________________________________

Karen V. Roop
Swarthmore College Computing Center
roop@cc.swarthmore.edu
215-328-8595




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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jo@irvine.com (jo (still))
Subject: xneko and oneko
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:57:28 GMT
Distribution: usa

Just checked and saw that my "from" address won't work if you try to
email me.  Use jazary@irvine.com.

thx

jo
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman)
Subject: Re: How Kitty shows affection
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 06:37:50 GMT

My kittens (Sox and Sylvie) show affection not only by sitting
in my lap and talking to me but they also like to sleep on my back.
They like laying on my chest and rubbing their heads on my neck.

Rob :-)



Rob Dorfman    muaddib@d31mf0.stanford.edu or muaddib@star2.cm.utexas.edu
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From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: klepto cat ... any suggestions?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <726254881snx@n5ial.mythical.com>, by jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham):
> one of the cats living at my dad's house has an interesting trait...seems
> she's a bit of a kleptomaniac!

And she'll probably stay one.  She's doing what comes
naturally. "Interesting" probably gets to her as "amusing".
Your dad is lucky she keeps it in the family.  Mine picked
over the whole neighborhood.  Much more embarassing!.....But
still amusing!
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: HELP Broken Tooth !
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:26:11 GMT


You do not need to worry about the missing tooth.
Many years ago, one of my cats broke an
upper canine tooth, and had to have it removed.
It did not bother him a bit, he continued to eat
and catch rodents and birds with no trouble at 
all.

I would not put my cat through the dental surgery.
Besides the expense, there is always a risk of any
kind of surgery.


Liv, Pounce and Lion



Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: is it too cold?
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:18:50 GMT

In article <1ifmunINNqch@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> amys@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Amy Schlotthauer) writes:

>SO, don't you all agree that it is cruel and unusual punishment for my
>cats to have to spend the night in 63 degrees? 

Lord, I hope not.  I set my thermostat at 58 degrees when I go to bed
(usually set at about 65 when I'm up and around), and my cats have
never complained.  Of course, they *can* get under the covers if they
get really cold, whereas yours are in a basement.  Still, 63 sounds
pretty balmy to me ... :-)


--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: disaacs@pietrzak.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs)
Subject: Re: dry catfood vs. canned???
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:06:51 GMT

Which is better?  I am preparing to aquired two cats (my first cats) and
the books I have read all seem to be be all for canned cat food over dry
(and semi-moist).  One book even said that dry cat food has been linked some
feline disease (FUS I think), and that dry cat food's only advantage was 
that it smells better to the owner.

I am asking this because someone posted that all their vets agree that dry
cat food is better than canned.  So what gives?

Dave Isaacs
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From: rob@cad4.lbl.gov (Robert J. McNamara)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Squirrel Hunting Cat
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:52:39 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: rob@cad4.lbl.gov (Barracuda)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.177


Perhaps this has been discussed before (I'm new to the group) but I figured
I had to bring this up:
Our cat Hobbes (a red tabby) has taken to hunting squirrels and bringing
us their bodies...not the heads, mind you, just the bodies. What he does
with their heads we don't know (we think he's working on pile of 
squirrel skulls somewhere in the backyard). He usually leaves these "gifts"
on our dining room floor. Nice, huh?
Anyway, has anyone else had an experience like this?  Maybe he doesn't like
his Science Diet? :^)


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: aa248@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jocelyn E. Ferguson)
Subject: DSH
Reply-To: aa248@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jocelyn E. Ferguson)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:48:42 GMT

Domestic Short Hair...and if you want one, I have 4 hand raised (mom
abandoned them) here to give away....FREE...I already have 4 housecats and
8 barncats.   For your info..10 day old kittens can be successfully
raised on goat milk, boiled eggs and baby vitamins
Jo.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis)
Subject: Re: Things my strange cat likes to eat!
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:34:44 GMT

In article <1inb3rINNmrd@gap.caltech.edu> mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig) writes:
>From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
>Subject: Things my strange cat likes to eat!
>Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:04:11 GMT
>Hi!
>
>Well, my cat is a strange one!  He hates "people food" and never
>begs at the table!  All he likes is Purina Cat Chow.  However,
>he does like french fries!  He also likes chocolate, which I have
>heard is bad for cats, so I give him a tiny bit bery rarely.  Is
>this true?  Once my husband was eating a candy bar, and gesturing
>with it, and our cat came up and took a bite out of it!
>
>Also, I have a lot of roses in my yard, and I like to cut them,
>hang them in the garage to dry, and put then in bowls around the
>house since they smell so good.  The cat has taken a liking to
>dried rose petals as well.  Are these harmful to cats?  The flowers
>haven't been sprayed or anything, just dried...
>
>Please e-mail me any advice you may have.  Thanks a lot!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Michelle Berteig  mberteig@cco.caltech.edu
>
>

How about...


Potato chips (that's crisps for you Britons!)
Peanuts
Brown beans
Spaghetti with or without the sauce
Ghurkins
Nut cake
Brussells sprouts.

I don't know any cat that would eat ALL of the above, but I know a number of 
cats that would eat one or more.

Reinder
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: pandit@ssd.intel.com (Milind Pandit)
Subject: Horny Cat
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:50:46 GMT

My parents' cat was neutered at 5 months.  He is now 18 months old.
Recently, he has been having (attempting?) sexual relations with a
glove on a daily basis.  This is not a joke.  He demands the glove
every morning.  Has anyone encountered such behavior in a neutered
male?  He has not made a wet mess, but will he eventually get it right
and do so?  Does this mean he will eventually start spraying?

If you have any advice, please post or email.  My parents are worried.

-- 
Milind S. Pandit			| pandit@ssd.intel.com
Operating Systems Engineer		|
Intel Supercomputer Systems Division	| Standard Disclaimers Apply
From: alclark@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com ( Amy L Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: new kittens for my mom!!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:38:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi everybody.  I just had to tell you that my mother and I went to
the shelter last Saturday and got her two kittens to take home.  My
mother was the one I wrote about on the net whose 9 year old Siamese
died about 1~2 months ago from pancreatitis.  My mother still misses
Shalimar (and keeps asking me if I think Shalimar minds that my mom
got two new kitties-- I told her no, Shalimar would want my mom to
be happy and for kitties to have a home) but says that these two
kittens were "meant for her".

Anyway, both kittens are male and part Siamese.  The older one is 3
months old and has white paws with the Siamese points on the rest of
his body all except he seems to be wearing a dark black/brown "bandit"
mask on his face around his eyes.  His name is Wharf(sp?) like the guy
on Star Trek the Next Generation.  He is already strutting around the
house like he owns the whole thing (which I'm sure he will).  More cute
kitty stories to come about him later (he's already done tons of things).
The younger kitty is ~6 weeks old and is a little longer haired than
Wharf.  He also has white paws but has a more squishy type of persian
face.  His meow is about ten times bigger than his body and he is as
cute as a button.  He enjoys playing with his new "big brother's) tail.
He also just loves to be held in your hands so that he can look you in
the face.
Both kittens have blue eyes and seem to get along fine.  Oh yeah, the 
little one's name is Data like the other guy (or thing) on Star Trek.
I'm sure I'll be writing about these two quite often.

Now for my kitties (Donchu and Baggy).  I got some really cute pictures
of the both of them wearing Santa Hats during the Christmas season.  I
can't believe that they let me put these hats on their heads!!  Anybody
else get any cute pictures of their kitties over Christmas??

Amy
(Don't you just hate it when people find out that you're a cat lover and
then proceed to tell you horrible stories about cats to gauge your reaction?)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat in heat?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:03:50 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jean Marie Diaz (ambar@cygnus.com) wrote:

: Actually, I've read of papers showing successful spays and neuters at 8
: weeks of age.  This is something I'm keeping a close eye on, as a
: breeder, since the peace of mind I'd get from knowing that every
: not-for-breeding kitten that left my house was already neutered would be
: worth every penny.  (Mine don't go to their new owners until they're 12
: weeks old, so that they're fully vaccinated as well as socialized.)

Do you know if anyone is doing studies of the incidence of FUS in males
that are neutered that young?  Several vets I know would actually prefer
to neuter at 9 months or older were it not for the population problems.
I agree that it would be nice to send the kittens to their new homes
spayed/neutered, but I'm not willing to risk a higher possibility of FUS.

: (ObBreedingNote: Jenny (red classic tabby and white Maine Coon) not only
: collected grand points at her first-ever show as a champion this past
: weekend, but went off last night for a tryst with QGC Mymains Mike
: Malone of Suzeran (red classic tabby).  A whole litter of reds!  I'm
: looking forward to it, can you tell? :-)

Congratulations! 

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: art30358@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG HWAI AUN)
Subject: What's a Devon Rex like?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:21:31 GMT


I'm interested in getting a Devon Rex because I'm absolutely facinated
by their little pixie looks.  Does any one know what they are like?
Thanks in advance.
From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: klepto cat ... any suggestions?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:28:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

one of the cats living at my dad's house has an interesting trait...seems
she's a bit of a kleptomaniac!

I was staying there for a while (was between apartments, and just moving
back to FL) and during the day, when I had the place to myself (and the
cats), I'd hear this low, soft, whining meow, and there's Furball,
carrying stuff belonging to my sister, Jamie (5), and stuffing it behind
one of the couches.  I think she's also snarfed up some of my dad's
stuff, too.

btw, there are 4 cats at my dad's place, all kittens.  Furball is, by
far, one of the strangest of the lot.  :-)  also, she only seems to do
this when nobody is around (or at least, when nobody is *SUPPOSED* to
be around).

does anyone have any suggestions on getting her to stop?  I personally
wouldn't care (I'd just know where to look first for missing stuff), but
I think my dad would probably prefer it if she'd stop walking off with
Jamie's stuff.  :-)

thanks....
   --jim

PS:  I seem to recall an issue of Cat Fancy a while back that had
     something on this, but can't seem to find it.  I did find one,
     but it was only a story about a klepto cat...not about how to
     address it (and I seem to recall such an article).  anyone else
     remember such an article?  or am I imagining things?  :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Human Nail Clippers
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:29:29 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <1993Jan11.133704.4826@wkuvx1.bitnet>, shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer ) writes:
>Hi all,
>	I lost my copy of the FAQ so shoot me if this is in there. 
>Can you use regular human clippers to trim a cats nails?  I friend of
>mine said his mom used to use them when he was a kid and it didn't
>seem to bother them.
>

Yes you can. I used these for a long time but find that cat clippers do a better 
job and don't cost much more.

Bob