HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Gemulator (Falcon emulator?)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163225.2234@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:
>
>Gemulator has also been reduced in size and sped up by between 10% and 40%
>since last shown at the Indianapolis show last month. It can now run on
>a 6 meg PC (instead of an 8 meg PC) directly, or on a 4 meg PC when you use
>virtual memory. Virtual memory slows down the program somewhat, but there is
>simply no way to cram DOS, device drivers, the Gemulator code, 256K of TOS
>ROM code, and 2 meg of Atari ST memory into a 4 meg PC. You need 6 meg. And
>yes, it will run on a 386SX all the way up to a 486/50. On a 486/33 it's
>running slightly faster than a 8 Mhz ST, on a 486/50 it runs almost as fast
>as a 16 Mhz ST, and on a 386/33 it runs at half the speed of an ST.

486/33 only running at speed of 8 MHZ ST?!!  Some people said it was
supposing to run 2-3 TIMES faster!  WHAT happened?? People said
Gemulator demo running run from 100% RAMDISK too and it is fooling
everyone because real ST DMA is 2-3 TIMES faster than PC hard disk!!
What MIDI programs running now?  Adlib is bankrupt and Soundblaster
has very very terrible MIDI port and sound.  Turtle Beach board
for PC has DSP 56001 like in Atari Falcon but price is $800!!!!

Delphi report said Falcon is selling NEXT WEEK so Gemulator MUST
faster than 68030 16 MHZ, DSP 56001.  Also PC needs 8 channel 
16 bit stereo too!  Falcon already using local bus and very
fast SCSI 2 so maybe 486/200 is needed???.

Someone will please post benchmarks of Gemulator and Falcon?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Atari Scandinavia Going Bankrupt?
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:55:42 GMT

 I read in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy that Atari Scandinavia is
supposed to have gone out of business. 

 Is there anybody on the net who can confirm this?

 If it's true, it's the second time they go bust, first time
was back in '85 or so (before the Tramiel takeover).

 Anders Skelander, Sweden
From: Dirk_Steins@k2.maus.de (Dirk Steins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 16 MHz / Overscan questions
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:28:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

In article <1992Aug18.143241.5623@aston.ac.uk> wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk
(Auntie Tim) writes:

w>Firstly, what kind of speed increase do you get from the accelerator?
If you're thinking about a very cheap solution which just pumps up the 68000 to
16 MHz without any cache, the speed up will by just a little. You can get 10%
or something like that. If you would buy a speeder board with cache (16kB), the
performance will increase by 70%, depending on the application.

w>Is it worth coughing up more cash for a 25Mhz or even faster?
No, i don't think so. In this case i would think about a new computer (a TT
oder the new Falcon030). In both cases you would have enhanced resolutions
anyway.

w>Regarding Overscan, does it slow down the computer significantly when
w>it's running?
Because the screen memory is a bit larger it slows down the computer a bit, but
not significantly.

w>There's also a hardware kit over here in the UK called the "Autoswitch
w>Overscan" which (I think) fits into the monitor (Hi res) and costs 50 UK
w>pounds-
AutoSwitch OverScan is an improved version of OverScan with much better
software and a better hardware. It's built in the computer (not the monitor)
and improves all resolutions. The developers are the same as for the original
PD-Overscan so they know what they're doing. The autoswitch means that the
software can switch from the enhanced overscan resolution (e.g. 708*480) back
to 640*400 if the current software doesn't work fine with the higher
resolution. And it switches back to the enhanced resolution after the program
finishes.

w>Compatibility
I just can talk about the compatibility of AS-Overscan because i've never got
an 16Mhz board. The compatibility is very high because you activate the
Overscan resolutions in the auto folder and because of the autoswitch feature
(see above). Games with autostart are no problem because without the overscan
software you've got a normal ST.

bye, Dirk
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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 17 Aug 1992 13:58:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.123450.13044@natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>
>
>	Keep in mind that Cypress (I believe it's them) makes a wonderful
>chip called the 486SLC.  It is made to drop right into a 386SX slot.  I
>imagine that anywhere a 386SX could be put you could use one of these
>instead.  It will still only access memory in 16 bits of course but it
>should still provide excellent speed (for an emulator) !

	Hi,

	I believe it is Cyrix that makes the chip, and that chip is (I believe)
32-bits wide.  It gets upwards of the speed of the 486sx (which is 32-bits) and
I can't imagine it performing that well on a 16bit bus.  But you are right, its
supposed to be pin compatible with the 386 (not sx).

	However, this would still require a 32-bit bus slot to work from.  Come
on, who gets serious speed out of a 16bit bus anymore (relative)?  It would
be ridiculous to expect serious coprocessor/alt. processor support out of
a 16-bit slot, hence being "troubled" by the constant  386sx references.
Could someone at Atari PLEASE! either confirm or deny this?

>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila   |||
>                                                                  / | \
>My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer and probably are
>exact opposites.	InterNet: glens@natinst.com	GEnie: G.SESCILA
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Does it exist???
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <xcfyn0n@rpi.edu>, pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli) writes:
>   Hi.  I was wondering if there was a program out there, whether in PD or
>(more likely) commercially that is similar to the IBM program AUTOMAP.
>AUTOMAP, for those of you who don't know, is a program which basically
>plots out the best routes to take on US roads between any two given points.
>If there is anything remotely like this for the ST platform, I would love
>to get it.  Email or post if anybody knows if such a beast exists!  Thanks!
>

>-- 
>  |||   | Rob Pinelli    |5\ Seymour: "Hey this isn't right! You're supposed to
> / | \  | pinelr@rpi.edu |18\ show me how miserable everybody is without me!"
>Atari ST| 203 North Hall |276\ Junior: "Hey, if *everyone* made the world a 
> Mega 2 | Troy, NY 12180 |7080\ better place, it'd be perfect!"   -Little Shop

There is a UK program called Autoroute, I don't know if there is a USA version,
may be the UK readers can help...!!!


Roger...........            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: richardson@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: First Graph...minor problem!
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:21:33 GMT

Hi, just posting a quick request about info. on "First Graph" (the absolutely
excellent...and CANADIAN...graphing package).  I have only been using the
package for a little while...okay one weekend...but I seem to have a small
problem.  When printing the graphs out the GDOS fonts seem to 'wander' very
slightly.  Only by one or 2 characters, but I was wondering if anyone else had
encountered this or is it due to the excessively old TOS version I have (1.0). 
Anyone out there used this???  I have found some programs requiring GDOS don't
like Turbo ST (Timeworks DTP for instance), but this isn't the problem this
time.  Any other suggestions will be considered and appreciated!

			T.T.F.N.
					JR.

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From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson)
Subject: Re: Utterly bizarre idea for Atari
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:39:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

In article <1992Aug15.043618.17054@news.csuohio.edu> max@madnick.cba.csuohio.edu
(Max Polk) writes:
> This is an utterly bizarre idea that will either send you into a
> screaming fit or drop your diastolic blood pressure ten or twenty
> points causing congestive heart failure because the idea is so far from
> reality and anything you have ever known or felt before that you reel
> in the multitude of possibility and/or confusion.
> 
[ edited ]
> Let's see: $189.95 / $6.95 is about 27, and $1199.00 / $5.95 is about
> 201.  Ignoring for a moment all of what you have grown to know and love
> about operating systems and microcomputer architecture, consider this
> possibility: couldn't you do more with 27 outstanding 68000's running
> exactly one process each, in parallel, than you could with one 68020
> running and switching between 27 processes, executing no more than one
> instruction at a time (for roughly the same amount of money)?

it is not as surreal/unreal as you think.  I suggest you look into
andy tannenbaum's amoeba system and see how close you came to
reinventing the wheel.

--- eric
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Bug in TOSWIN (was: Re: MiNT 0.95 now available)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.130647.6877@ctr.columbia.edu>, sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall) writes:
> I've noticed that the pop-down menus always pop down even if the window
> they're associated with is not the "top" window. Shouldn't they be
> deactivated if the window that they refer to is not the current window ?

Personally, I think that this is a bug in GEM (it shouldn't be sending
mouse events to a program that doesn't have control of the mouse). At any
rate, I will change TOSWIN's behaviour -- this bug has been reported
by many people.
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: Gem Support Dieing?
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:25:58 +0000


In article <4226@wet.UUCP>, ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>as I know.  I haven't seen GEM on a PC, but I would highly suspect that GEM,
>TOS 2.06, and even Multi-TOS (on the ST) look and feel completely different
>than the PC version of GEM.
>
>-- 
>   |||    Ed Krimen
>   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
>  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
>

GEM on the PC was severely crippled due to some law suit with Apple. Like
windows can't be sized etc..  How Atari got round this one i don't know.
All the GUIs around today owe alot to Apple even if they don't admit it.
How comes the recoverable trashcan thingy in Neo got by the board for that
matter ?  i'm fairly sure this was copyright Apple.

        Adam.
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Quickie FAX software sought
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:02:01 GMT
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

> 
> The only existing piece of faxmodem software that I am aware of is STraight 
> Fax from Joppa Software (717)428-3231. It is capable of converting ASCII files 
> along with any GDOS files. It doesn't do background faxing and it doesn't have 
> a printer emulator. For occasional faxes it works great for both send and 
> receive.
> 
> Dan
> --
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> Canton MI USA planet Earth           Compuserve 75266.353

	Do you (or anybody) know Joppa Software's fax number ?
It would be most helpful in trying to contact the company from around here.
Thanks in a dvance ! :)

	Pasi
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Saaristonkatu 3 A 6                                 ar660@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Can a TSR Malloc()?
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:52:16 GMT

In article <sourada.713595993@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada) writes:
> Is it possible (and good practice) for a TSR program to Malloc() 
> (the GEMDOS way) after Ptermres()?

No, and no.

Or, more accurately, it's possible, but not likely to produce the desired
effect. As you point out, GEMDOS will think that it's the invoking program
that did the Malloc, and will free the memory when the invoker exits.

There is no reliable way to make GEMDOS change the memory ownership of
Malloc'd memory.  The tricks people use to do this *will* break in
future versions of TOS (in particular, MultiTOS) and neither will they
work under MiNT.
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: access to the screen using C?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:30:13 GMT

how would I get a pointer to (or suitable handle) to allow direct 
writing to the screen?
i'm using sozobon, are there books on this subject?
From: eker@loria.crin.fr (Steven Eker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: How to detect imminent DA activation ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:32:09 GMT
Organization: CRIN (CNRS) Nancy - INRIA Lorraine

Is there a clean way of detecting that a DA is about to become active so that
I can replace vectors and clean up any other mess that might cause
incompatibility?

Also is there a reliable way of knowing when the DA has become inactive and its
safe to grab the vectors back (I know I could wait for th inevitable redraw messages but this seems hacky).

I ask because my application (a sequencer) needs to steal a number of vectors
(incl MIDI/IKBD, timerA) that the DA (maybe another MIDI prog) might also want.

Steven
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Reopen an ACCs window
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:56:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <BAMMI.92Aug13222840@acae127.cadence.com> bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.185421.21976@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ilepore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Lepore) writes:
>>  > a desk accessory that can automatically reopen its windows
>>  
>>  Here's some things (from memory of a project 4 years ago) that might be
>> helpful...
>        ...
>>  I suspect it'll be nearly impossible to write a version of this that'll
>> work in all situations -- all versions of TOS, coexisting with codehead 
>> and other dirty TSR software, and so on.  Coexisting with non-AES desktops
>> is a whole 'nother ugly issue that I didn't even attempt.
>>  
>	why waste your time and creative juices. help stamp out ACC's !!
>man, go get MiNT and be happy :-)
>
>IM(not so humble)O: Acc's is/was one of the worst ideas on the St. Its
>implementation in AES sucks even worse.
>
>bang:   uunet!cadence!bammi			jwahar r. bammi
>domain: bammi@cadence.com
>GEnie:	J.Bammi
>CIS:    71515,155

What's wrong with ACC's? I don't think they're such a bad idea. 
I have to use Windows at work where getting hold of an 
accessory is sumetimes quite tricky, for a start you have to remember
where it is (i.e which windowsetc)  and once you do
remember where the ACC is you have to perform about 6 clicks to 
get it before you can even run it.

Herb
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From: vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: wanted: help with TT SCSI bus
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:46:38 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Originator: vspicer@asimov.cc.umanitoba.ca

request for help again....

	i'm trying to make klaus pedersen's TT SCSI routines work on
our TT. does anyone have experience with this, or any other set of
"generic" SCSI drivers for the TT? the code fails to do a proper device
selection so it's all down hill from there :(

thanks in advance
	vic spicer


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software person with the Time of Flight Mass Spec. Lab
at the University of Manitoba Dept. of Physics
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: How to hook into GEM?
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: Totally Nonexistent
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <448@muller.loria.fr>, Steven Eker writes:
>
>Suppose I write a snazzy motif-like GUI, how do I hook into GEM so that I
>can run GEM DAs from my snazzy 3D menu? More particularly
>
>1. How do I find the full (menu entry) names of the available DAs?
>
>2. How do I find the 8 char names for appl_find()?

	I've never tried to do this, but you'd have to hook into the trap #2
call, i think, and look for the menuregister call from the desk accessory.
The main problem is that appearantly Gem replaces it's own vector in
the trap #2 vector handler after certain calls, so you have to recheck it
and re-replace it. There was a text file from Charles Johnson that I seem
to remember described the process, but I don't have it. Maybe someone else 
does. You'd only need to hang onto it until the accessorys had all 
registered, I'd imagine. Also, you'd probably want to pass the menu 
register on to the AES when your done so the accessories could receive the
messages you then send down the message pipe.
>
>3. Is it sufficient to just to send the DA a suitable message thru its pipe
>or does more need to be done to get it active?
>
	Once you know the id and name, it should be possible to send acc_open
messages. Harlekin allows keyboard macros to send open messages, so it 
should be possible, though of course Harlekin manages it's own protocals.

	These tricks are probably likely to break on various versions of the
os as well.


-- 
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
From: ssw@aber.ac.uk (Simon the Loony)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Using Setexec() [a bit of help needed]
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:48:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu scribbled : 

[assorted mince deleted]

=>If jumpto is a pointer to a function, won't the call jumpto() cause a "bad 
=>indirection" error in the compiler?  Shouldn't it be called by
=> (*jumpto)();  ?
=>
Nope ... this works perfectly on my C compiler (Sozobon V2.0) ... you've just
got to be careful to declare the functions appropriately. Thanks to those who
helped me suss this out BTW -- error trapping has never been so much fun :-)

One side note, to the person who suggested I post this query to comp.lang.c, I
didn't for two reasons :

-	This is an Atari related problem (now sorted out)
-	The people in comp.lang.c seem too busy flaming each other about 
	coding styles.

Simon.

PS.	Anyone know of a decent reference book for Atari programming? I've
	discovered (the hard way) that ``Internals'' is a load of crap :-(
	Preferably, the book should have a little in it about STe specific
	bits and something about the TT would be nice too. 

	Thanks in advance.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:05:26 EDT
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Adding a hard drive to a MSTe

    I have a MegaSTe with the standard Seagate 157N and got a conner 3040a
40 meg drive to add to this.  I have a 2 way SCSI cable and power is no
problem.  At first I simply replaced the Seagate with the conner and
powered it up.  It found it at ID 0 and allowed a forat.  However, I cannot
figure out how to get either the Seagate or the Conner 3040a out of
SCSI 0 so that the both can be online at once.  The Conner which is last
in the chain has its terminators in and the Seagate never had them in.
I have tried the jumpers on the back of the Seagate no no apparent affect.
The conner has jumpers on the back and also some labled e1-e4 underneath,
and I must have the e4 jumper in to allow it to be formatted (wonder why?).
Do I have to do something with DIP switches in the MSTe to get another
ID available?  (I am using AHDI 5.0)  Anyone have exactly which jumpers should
be set on the Seagate or Conner to change the ID number?
    Any help greatly appreciated!
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  GEnie: J.LEHETT2                       Delphi: JLEHETT@delphi.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st.tech:4439 comp.sys.atari.st:12391
From: skolodzieski@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Neodesk3 with MiNT?
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:14:29 GMT
Organization: Fairleigh Dickinson University

Hello,

I got a copy of Neodesk3 this weeken for a good price and it looks pretty 
interesting. However one big problem for me is i cannot seem to get it to
work with MiNT. 

Has anyone successfuly installed mint and have NeoDesk3 up and running?

Many thanks,

Scott Kolodzieski
scott@sparc1.stevens-tech.edu