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From: u9041095@cs.uow.edu.au (Murray Andrew Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Manufacturers Specs
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:02:55 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia


	Just a request for some information.
	I am in the process of buying a second_hand Hoyt/Easton "Stag"
compound bow, but it does not have manufacturers documentation
with it.I was hoping that somebody might be able to tell me the
specifications of this bow (weight, brace height, string length, etc)
, so I can purchase the correct materials for it.(ie. arrows,
 strings etc.).
	Any help would be much appreciated.

	Murray Jones
	B.Comp.Sci.
	University of Wollongong.
From: Murray.Beidler@dartmouth.edu (Murray Beidler)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: n.j bowhunters
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:51:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Anyone hunting New Jersey know if there has been a regulatory change in
tree steps.  Heard a rumor last season that screw in steps might be
outlawed.  I believe this is true for PA state gamelands already.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: forbesmc@matai.vuw.ac.nz (Murray Forbes)
Subject: Re: How did archers do in the Olympics?
Organization: 	Victoria University of Wellington,  NZ
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:39:06 GMT

In article <23540002@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, 
halw@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Hal Work) writes:
> Does anyone know how the members of our Olympic team did?  Or better yet,  who
> took what medal AND how the rest of our team did.  I saw, I believe, all the
> coverage that NBC had which just a bit on Denise Parker.  Thanks, Hal
-- 
Who is 'our' Olympic team - ie which country are you talking about?
Please remember this news group is distributed world-wide, and in
my case I'm reading/writing this from New Zealand.

PS. The New Zealand Olympic Archery Team (1 lady archer Faye Johnston)
just failed to make the first cutoff - she came 33 (or 34?), needing
32nd position to continue but shoot a score some-what below her best
(of approx 1260 while her best is 1307 and average lately was around
1280-90).

It also seems New Zealand gives a similar poor TV coverage to archery,
the only time I saw archery was when Faye was mugged in Barcelona (sp?).

Murray Forbes
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From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: Where to study
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 19 AUG 92 09:11:05 EST


re: (MADLANSACAY, NOEL)
> 
>I'm in the NYC area.  I'm out of college for years now and I'm wondering
>where I can learn in NYC?

	I know of Big Apple Archery in Queens. Al Lizzio, a top PAA 
	professional for many years is the proprietor. 
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Quiver wanted (or at least plans)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:31:43 GMT

Well, I bought my first bow last fall.  Got a steal too from what
other bowhunters tell me.  I have a ~60 lb draw longbow (for 18$ no less)
Now I need a quiver.  Being the medevial fan that I am , I would love either 
a place to order, or plans to make a back quiver (I know the bottom 
6-8 inches better be DARN thick to be safe in the case of a fall)
Any information would be appreciated

Thanks
Steve

 
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Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang)
Subject: Re: longbows
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 AUG 92 09:10:43 EST


re: (Wei-Yeh Lee) ...

>******************************************************************************
>Columbia University			::	::::::	,::::.   
>Academic Information Systems	       : ::       ::	::       
>Unix Systems Group		      ::.:: .::.  ::	`::::.   

wl,

	Are you, by any chance, affiliated with the Columbia Archery club?
	The reason I ask is that I used to be, back in '79-'80. :-}

	The coach back then was Peter Dillard, he may still be there in some
	capacity, or even affiliated with Barnard's team. Al Lizzio was the
	group's mentor and primary hardware supplier. Al owns the Big Apple
	Archery range out in Queens(?), I believe.

	If you are associated with them, say hello to Peter and Al for me.
     	If not, oh well. I know the campus has changed a bit since I was
	there.....probably for the better. How about those FIT girls.......
	still the best bet for a fun weekend? 
		
	Don't forget the Archery club. Long tradition of being tops in NY
	state collegiate archery......oh, since about '79 or so!  ;^)

-gabe
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: WANTED SHORT USED RECURVE
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:02:50 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am looking for a short recurve 55-80 lbs for cheap!For my son!

From: halw@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Hal Work)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:37:30 GMT
Subject: How did archers do in the Olympics?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.archery

Does anyone know how the members of our Olympic team did?  Or better yet,  who
took what medal AND how the rest of our team did.  I saw, I believe, all the
coverage that NBC had which just a bit on Denise Parker.  Thanks, Hal
From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Where to study
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:59:28 GMT

In article <18AUG199217084408@mary.fordham.edu> madlansacay@mary.fordham.edu (MADLANSACAY, NOEL) writes:
>
>I'm in the NYC area.  I'm out of college for years now and I'm wondering
>where I can learn in NYC?
>

I heard rumors that Fordham University was going to get an archery team 
together starting this fall.  You may want to look into that.  Otherwise
you can try Big Apple Archery Lanes out in Queens.

170-20 39 Avenue.
Flushing NY 11358
(718) 461-1756

--------------------
Alex Rodriguez
Columbia University
New York City




Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: madlansacay@mary.fordham.edu (MADLANSACAY, NOEL)
Subject: Where to study
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:08:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I'm in the NYC area.  I'm out of college for years now and I'm wondering
where I can learn in NYC?

Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: archer@sequent.com (Bryan Rowland)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:51:22 GMT

In article <78074@ut-emx.uucp> shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.170105.6136@clpd.kodak.com> banister@serum.kodak.com writes:
>>
>> The guy that runs a shop that I go told me that "someone" has found
>>that the ideal location for a rest is directly above your wrist.  When
>>I say ideal, I mean in terms of promoting accuracy. Have any of you
>>run across this idea? 
> 
>>Can you site references?  
>
> Tuning Your Compound Bow.  Larry Wise.
>
> It doesn't deal with this issue directly.  It also doesn't deal with how long
> your nose hairs are.  Instead, it deals with the truly important factors in 
> tuning your bow.

The issue here isn't tuning per se.  The main reason for looking at where
the rest should be deals with where the main pivot point of the bow lies.
Basically, if the rest is at the point where the bow pivots (left and right,
not up and down), then any torque or twist of the bow on the explosion, will
have a minimal effect on the arrow.  I doubt I can easily explain the
angles and stuff involved, but it makes sense to me.

There are 2 points of argument with this, though.  First, archers are still
argueing about where the pivot point is.  Some say it is the wrist, others
think it is where your hand contacts the bow, and others think it is where
the limbs meet the riser....  

Second, the amount that this will affect the arrow, is truly minimal.  It
*can* have an effect, but unless you are shooting up there with the pros,
I doubt there would be any obvious improvement.


>>but before I spend the money gearing up with a short overdraw, I'd like some 
>>verification.
>
> Overdraws help with speed and trajectory.  That is all.  Anything else you 
> hear is unproven hype.
>
> Shawn Boyd


Just my .02 worth...
-Bryan Rowland
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.210140.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>
>Then, I went to Madison.  I thought, "I'm not going to Jackson next year.  The
>stadiums don't get better, they get worse!!"  The seats were benches, benches
>made of wood.  The seats were approximately 12 inches wide (maybe 18, but that
>would be pushing it).  I have no idea how they can fit a bunch of bundled up
>(it was indeed cold in August, much less in November and December) football
>fans (which are known for their eating and drinking) into this stadium.  How
>many John Maddens do you know that would fit into an 18 inch wide seat?  Drum
>corps fans that pay $25 (a ridiculous price, anyway) should at least be
>comfortable while viewing their favorite corps.  I didn't mind the weather,
>cold is better than hot (you can always take a blanket with you to keep warm,
>except in Madison where you have to buy an extra seat for it to fit).  And that 
>sound off the back side.  The most annoying and irritating sound!!  The stadium
>held sound even worse than the Cotton Bowl.  The metal benches created a "zip"
>sound on any drum hit.  THE WORST YET!!!
>
>Kansas City: The stadium has seats!!  With armrests, so you're not wiping
>somebody else's sweat off your body.
>
>
I just want to make a comment, THIS IS NOT A FLAME, JUST MY HUMBLE
OPINOIN, Madison is the best place for DCI.  Only because the
people in Madison LOVE the drum corps.  No matter how big or
small.  I marched in Madison in '86 and '87.  When we did the
parade you could barely hear yourself play because the people
just cheer for everyone.  My corps had only about 60 members and
the people of Madison cheered for us as loud as they cheered for SCV. 
I would not have wanted to march finals any other place.
I agree that the stadium, for the spectators, isn't very good but
for this former drum corps member, it was the best.

Krista
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI Politics SUCKS!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:32:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <Aug.18.16.57.23.1992.8021@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>
>
>>I hate to keep disagreeing with you, Ken, but the Cadets did in fact
>>have an equally good horn line on Finals night.  As I mentioned elsewhere,
>>the Blue Devils (horns) were off both in Semis and Finals.  The Cadets
>>did some pretty amazing things on Semis and Finals nights.
>
>>Over the entire course of the season, BD probably had the better line,
>>but that's pure speculation.  I was very impressed with BD in the early
>
>   Donald, I was referring to the Cavaliers hornline.  I mentioned
>the Cadets because Tom marched in them in '83.  The Cadets have
>fielded some really good hornlines in the past and some pretty ratty
>ones as well.  The Cavies hornline is now or in the past few years
>have been their Achilles Heel, No.  If they were up to snuff they 
>might have won in '91.
>

Whoops.  I'm sorry.  I obviously confused myself.  I correct myself, then.
I'll raise a few eyebrows and say that the Cavaliers' horns sounded as good
as the Blue Devils' horns, mainly because I felt that BD had such an off
night (nights, actually).  I still stand by my Cadets statement, too.

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: halk@solbourne.com (Hal Koshak)
Subject: Re: VK Bashing & DC North
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:07:08 GMT

In article <Aug.20.10.38.39.1992.20028@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>mmcneill@duchamp.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Mcneill -Visualization) writes:
>
>
> [...lots of stuff trimmed...]
>
>     I really wonder how any corps would be judged if there were
>ticks today.  Do judges overlook flaws if they see something later
>on in the program that impresses them?  Where as before they would
>be ticked for the error and an impressive lick would just be watched
>(credit given in exc. and exp. MAYBE) but do no harm.  Hence the
>change to build up scoring.

There used to be an 'exposure to error' build-up section on the field
judges' sheets.  Corps were ticked for mistakes, but given credit for
trying harder stuff.  This method worked great for an awfully long
time, and seemed to subdue the politics of judging just a bit.  Plus,
it was cool as hell to stare a judge in the eyes during a drum solo and
not see him even lift his clipboard!!  Bring objective judging back!!!

Hal
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI Politics SUCKS!
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:37:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:


>> I like the Cavaliers and the Blue Devils, 
>> but there is no way that Cavaliers beat them. SORRY! 
>Cavies were MUCH better than the Blue Devils...Cavies had the better
>drumline, FAR superior drill, equal hornline, and in my opinion a much
>better guard.

   EQUAL hornline???   Not on their BEST DAY!  Not in their BEST YEAR!!
Tom,  take two aspirin and call me in the morning.  Your still high from
the Cadets finish.

  BTW, are you the one that said that Jody Weakland worked out at your 
gym?  That was my post, Michael Fath was kind enough to post for me as
I was having some problems back then.

  Here are a few other people I knew in the Cadets?  Do you know them?

   Alyssa Cimino,  Cheryl Philhower, Selena Yeoman, Mark Fabio, JoAnn
Engstrom, Jon Peters?
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: Div. II/III at NATS
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:01:22 GMT

cneal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Neal) writes:

>I haven't seen them posted yet, so here are Div. II and III prelims and finals:

>Div. III Prelims--top 7 to finals

>1. Mandarins		89.5
>2. Pioneer		88.9
>3. Academie Musicale	84.7
>4. Blue Stars		84.2
>5. Suncoast Sound	82.0
>6. Capitolaires		81.6
>7. St. Johns		78.6
>...
Finals:

>1. Mandarins		90.0
>2. Pioneer		88.7
>3. Blue Stars		82.4
>4. Academie Musicale	82.0
>5. Suncoast Sound	80.2
>6. Capitolaires		77.8
>7. St. John's		74.6


	Thanks for the post!  Great news for the Mandarins.  Very small
corps this year but they pulled it off after playing runner-up for the
last two years.  I hear that Mandarins won High Brass (for the second time
in a row!), High Percussion (for the first time ever!), and High
Colorguard (for the first time ever also!).  Boy, it's news like this
that really makes me proud to say that I was a Mandarin.  Watch for them
next year, their 30th anniversary year!



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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: RE: E-mail to Mr. Vandewater
Date: 20 Aug 1992 09:49:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article: <Aug.19.11.11.01.1992.10354@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) wrote:
 
>Tom,
> 
>   Thanks for the e-mail.  I can't seem to be able to reach
>you by e-mail though.
> 
>   I used tmv@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com and I was told
>host is unreachable.  Any suggestions?  Your e-mail
>to me took a strange path through Ohio State or something?
 
The address on his postings is tmv@blizen.uucp.  However, finger
could not find it.  He's used tmv!rigel@bellcore.bellcore.com before.
 
>  As far as the other people I asked you about:
>
>  Cheryl Philhower (had to be the shortest girl in the guard)
>  from '78-'85.
 
(snip)  She had to be awful short to be shorter than Sara Gardner
(78-80) and Chris Tripuka (78? 79-85). 
 
>  Selena Yeoman  (flag '83-'85, black girl)
 
Wasn't she on the 1984 album cover?
 
Tom (H2O), remember my asking about Michelle LeDuc, a mellophone
player from North Star?  She marched in Cadets in 1984, not 1983.
You missed her--in 1983, she was with Alliance.  There was one
ex-North Star in Cadets.  I forgot her name, but she was a blonde
snare drummer.
 
Vince
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Off My Chest
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:49:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <Aug.19.10.57.39.1992.10064@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>   It would seem that most net members feel it is ok to take pot shots
>at all of the other corps:  Blue Devils guard is sleazy, hornline is
>top heavy (like that's such a huge negative, at least you know the
>soprano line is out there),  Phantom marches in straight lines and plays
>whole notes, SCV's show is too easy and brass book is a cake walk, Star
>is like a clinic on how to play and march at the same time, but GOD FORBID
>you say something that trashes the Velvet Knights, (my favorite, of 
>course, is the statue with the male organ hanging from it).  IMO, IMHO,
>IMNSHO, I will continue to trash the trash and applaud the class.

The problem, Ken, is that you went beyond criticizing what the corps did. You
said that nobody appreciated the "fun stuff" they were doing on the field and
they will never "make it" as a drum corps. I'm not bothered about your
criticism of the corps; I'm bothered about the conclusions that you came to.
This is where you were farting in the wind, so to speak. If you expressed
youself in a similar fashion about other corps, I'd probably react the same
way.

VK is a successful corps; they have been a finalist for most of the late
1980s. They clearly have fun at what they're doing; they are successful in
their own eyes. The crowd loves what they do on the field, while they score
well enough to be a competetive group.


Speaking of non-sequitors, the NY Royal Guardsmen were a really neat winter
guard.  I saw your "Fiddler" show in '83 in the very first show I ever saw; I
still remember it distinctly. The Russian show in '84 could easily have won
WGI.  Is there any chance of a comeback for the Royal Guardsmen?

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
From: peteo@Ingres.COM (THE OLDER I GET, THE BETTER I USED TO BE)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: So what happened to SCV??
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:51:56 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <HALL.92Aug18164253@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu>, hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)                       writes...
>In article <1992Aug18.145950.29375@pony.Ingres.COM> peteo@Ingres.COM (THE OLDER I GET, THE BETTER I USED TO BE, SCV '81) writes:
>[deleted]
>   \\peteo
>   SCV '81, Euph Platoon.
> 
>You don't remember a someone from '81 named Joe Pinsetisch (waaaaay off on
>the spelling), do you?  He worked with Blue Stars in '82 and said he played
>Euphonium for Vanguard.  Just curious...
> 
>Kelly
> 
>--
>Kelly Hall == hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
>no disclaimer, no cute quotes

sorry to post this to the net, but my email back to you Kelly bounced back...

anyway, Do I know Joe? You bet!  We marched in the euph platoon together, 
though he did march on the weaker side of the drill :-).
Whe you see him, ask him about "Blue Bat" and also, ask him about his
infamous days on the kid's show "Launcelot Link Secret Chimp"

give him my regards when you see him..

\\peteo
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From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (scott radeker)
Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:05:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.161800.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>My point is that the fans pay lots and lots of money to see the
>championships and regionals.  
Well, Madison can't have sucked too bad, because they had a record
crowd on finals night.


>In Kansas City, you give everyone the chance to see the finals, because of it's
>central location (Boston?  Think there will be an abundance of west coast fans
>there?).  

KC is centrally located geographically, but not if you take into acount
population density.  Then cities like Nashville, Jackson, Cincinatti,
St. Louis are the most centrally located places.

Looks like you're 'nick' on here now.

Scott 

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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: E-mail for Mr. Vandewater
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:11:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Tom,

   Thanks for the e-mail.  I can't seem to be able to reach
you by e-mail though.

   I used tmv@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com and I was told
host is unreachable.  Any suggestions?  Your e-mail
to me took a strange path through Ohio State or something?

  You came in loud and clear on my e-mail.  You asked if I
received it, did you have problems getting through?

   As far as the other people I asked you about:

   Cheryl Philhower (had to be the shortest girl in the guard)
   from '78-'85.

   Alyssa Cimino '73?-'82  (flag)

   Selena Yeoman  (flag '83-'85, black girl)

   Jon Peters (tiny little guy in '83 sop. line probably did
   not march entire season)