HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington)
Subject: fischer match coverage
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:16:19 GMT


I have been informed that the fischer match will be covered live
on Prodigy. If anyone has access to the Prodigy service, the  rest
of us here on the internet will be eternally grateful if you 
could/would glean the info from prodigy and cross-post. Supposedly
it is @ ~3pm Yugoslavian time, which makes it early morning for
those of us in the United States. Real-time would be the ideal,
but delayed slightly would still be better than nothing. Anyone
out there have prodigy????


--steve harrington
--cpsc texas a&m university
From: savage@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Allan Savage)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Time controls
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:05:22 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

If Fischer was a sane person, it would occur to me that the real reason he
came back, was to promote (demonstrate) it in a real game.  Indeed, it seems
that it is a very good innovation (his clock).  It will probably be standard
in a short time, if all the bugs are out.  Royalties for life...
--Allan Savage, FM
A
--
___________________________________________________________
Allan G. Savage
National Library of Medicine             savage@nlm.nih.gov
Bethesda, MD 20894                           (301) 496-1495
From: CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Hugh Brodie (CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA))
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer 1, Spassky 0  (game 1)
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:08:31 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Game 1 reportedly finished as a win for Fischer in 49 moves. I do not
have the game score yet.


Hugh.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: oyvind@jotun.hal.nta.no (Oyvind Eilertsen)
Subject: Re: Support Bobby!
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:29:35

In article <92244.194802KJRGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Ken Ramaley <KJRGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>  (stuff deleted)
>
>   Ask Capablanca, who was prevented from challenging Alekhine to regain his title
>   due to WW II. 
>
>  (stuff deleted)

Well, to say that WWII prevented Capa from challenging Alekhine is a
bit off the mark, to say the least. It is quite clear that Alekhine
had no intention to ever play Capa again after the 1927 match.
Besides, Capas play anno 1940 (he died in 1942, btw) was far from the
level he achived in the 20s and early 30s. Even if WWII hadn`t broken
out and Alekhine had agreed to a match, Capa would hardly have been among
the top candidates.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gls@windmill.att.COM (I am not Harry Palmer)
Subject: Re: that gambit again
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:42:26 GMT

In <16u3q0INN10j@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, preiss@i31s15.ira.uka.de writes:
>
> |> > 1. Nf3 f5
> |> > 2. e4  fe
> |> > 3. Ng5 d5
> |> > 4. d3  Qd6
>   
>  As far as I know a good alternative is still:
>  5. dxe4  h6
>  6. Qh5+  g6
>  7. Qh4   Bg7
>  8. Nf3   +=/=
>  Has anybody new games or insights for this position ?

I tried it on a 9000/870; the game continued 8... Bf6; 9. e5 [] B:e5;
10. Bd3 Bg7; 11. O-O e5 (computers are fearless); 12. Rd1 Ne7; 13. Nc3
c6; 14. Be3 e4 (see previous note); 15. B:e4 Bf6; 16. B:g6+ N:g6; 17. Qh5
B:c3; 18. bc Na6 (somebody started compiling something, which is the
computer equivalent of unloading a cargo of steel tubing in the tournament
hall); 19. c4 Nb4 (still compiling); 20. Bc5 and it's all over.  I suspect
that Black is all right up to and not including 18... Na6.  But it's hard
to say.

The game ended 20... Q:c5; 21. Q:g6+ Kf8; 22. c3 Nc2 (a desperate save);
23. Q:c2 Bg4; 24. Rab1 b6; 25. cd Re8; 26. Rd4 B:f3; 27. Qf5+ Kg7; 28. Q:f3
Rhf8; 29. Qg3+ Kh8; 30. Qg6 Re7; 31. Q:h6+ Rh7; 32. Q:c6 Qe7; 33. Qc4 Qf6;
34. Rf1 Rd8; 35. Re1 Rf8; 36. Qe2 Re7; 37. Qh5+ Kg8; 38. Rg4+ Rg7; 39. R:g7+
K:g7; 40. f3 Qd6; 41. Qg5+ Kf7; 42. Re4 Rh8; 43. Kf2 Qc5+; 44. Kg3 Qd6+;
45. Qf4+ Q:f4+; 46. R:f4+ (four checks in a row -- that's Teeko!) Ke7;
47. c4 Kd6; 48. Rh4 Rc8; 49. Kh3 Kc5; 50. Re4 a6; 51. a4 Rd8; 52. Kg3 b5;
53. ab ab; 54. cb R:d5; 55. Kf4 K:b5; 56. Re5 Kc6; 57. R:d5 K:d5; 58. Kf5
Kd6; 59. Kf6 Kd7; 60. g4 Ke8; 61. g5 Kd7; 62. h4 Kd8; 63. h5 Ke8; 64. g6
Kd8; 65. g7 Kd7; 66. g8=Q Kd6; 67. Qb3 Kc7; 68. Ke6 Kc6; 69. h6 Kc7; 70. h7
Kc6; 71. Qa2 Kb6; 72. Qc4 Kb7; 73. Qg4 Kc6; 74. Qg7 Kb6; 75. Qf8 Kc7;
76. Qe8 Kb7; 77. Qd8 Kc6; 78. Ke7 Kb5; 79. Qd5+ Kb4; 80. Qd3 Kc5; 81. Qb3
Kc6; 82. Qb8 Kd5; 83. Kf7 Kd4; 84. Qg3 Kc3; 85. h8=Q+ Kd3; 86. Qc8 Kd4;
87. Q3g4+ Ke3; 88. Qd8 Kf2; 89. Q8d4+ Ke1; 90. Qe3+ Kf1; 91 Q4g1#.

If you don't like GNUchess's mating technique, go complain to Stallman.

-:-
	You can say things which cannot be done. ... The trick is
	to keep attention focused on what is said and not on what
	can be done.
						--F. Herbert
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:26:26 GMT

In article <9209022155.AA07692@spsgate.sps.mot.com> chapmand@chdasic.sps.mot.com (David Chapman) writes:
>
>and shows sufficient brilliancy in doing so (ie his old self) will 
>there be talk of a Fischer-Kasparov match. Can Kasparov ignore Fischer
>in these circumstances?
>

a question i've is: has any of the other players commented on this match?
where are they right now? there does not seem to be any major tournament
going on right now, is there?

also, which of ABC,CBS,NBC is providing the best - if any - coverage
of the match?
From: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer anti-time pressure chess clock?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:02:57 GMT
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

I read in the Independent newspaper this Sat that Fischer has
invented a new kind of Ches clock that (among other things)
lets you avoid running out of time near the end.  This doesn't
make much sense to me.  Anyway, does anyone know anything about
this?

-- jd
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: nolan@helios.unl.edu (Michael Nolan)
Subject: Re: CJA Awards
Reply-To: nolan@helios.unl.edu
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:44:12 GMT

cfc@isr.harvard.edu (Christopher F. Chabris) writes:

> (And which CJA judge is from Ohio?)

None, for 1992.  Chris is in Massachussetts, Hanon Russell in Connecticut,
Ira Lee Riddle in a suburb of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and I am in
Lincoln, Nebraska.  Of course to someone from Californa, these probably
ALL seem like Ohio.  :)

Mike Nolan
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Update to Fischer/Spasski game one
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Distribution: rec
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

With thanks to numerous contributors and the SAN Kit, here is an
update to Fischer/Spasski game one:

[White: Fischer]
[Black: Spasski]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8.
c3 d6 9. h3 Nb8 10. d4 Nbd7 11. Nbd2 Bb7 12. Bc2 Re8 13. Nf1 Bf8 14. Ng3 g6
15. Bg5 h6 16. Bd2 Bg7 17. a4 c5 18. d5 c4 19. b4 Nh7 20. Be3 h5 21. Qd2 Rf8
22. Ra3 Ndf6 23. Rea1 Qd7 24. R1a2 Rfc8 25. Qc1 Bf8 26. Qa1 Qe8 27. Nf1 Be7
28. N1d2 Kg7 29. Nb1 Nxe4 30. Bxe4 f5 31. Bc2 Bxd5 32. axb5 axb5 33. Ra7 Kf6

bR::bR::bQ::  ::
wR  ::  bB  ::bN
  ::  bP  bKbP::
::bP::bBbPbP::bP
  wPbP::  ::  ::
::  wP  wBwN::wP
wR::wB::  wPwP::
wQwN::  ::  wK  

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Intriguing thought on Fischer-Spassky match
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:23:50 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


	Reading an account of Fischer's news conference, wherein he
claimed that the K-K matches were "fixed," I had an idea: what if the
*Fischer-Spassky* match is fixed? (Wouldn't *you* rig a chess game for a
few million bucks?) I'm not accusing anyone, of course, but think about
it ....

--
Scott Maxwell (Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu)
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Marshall - ask Fischer
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:35:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Judging from the first game, Fischer didn't seem to be too worried about
meeting the Marshall, but I don't recall ever seeing Spassky play it (I might
be wrong).  Anyone who says it's no big deal that Fischer's playing again
should consider that he might have some answers to questions like this one...
Xref: sparky rec.games.chess:6590 rec.games.go:1750 rec.games.board:8354 rec.games.programmer:3686
From: siva@bally.com (Siva Chelliah)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,rec.games.go,rec.games.board,rec.games.programmer
Subject: Re: Strategic games, computational cost & implications (was Re: rec.games.strategic)
Keywords: checkers, shogi, othello, hex, alquerque, ashtapada, hnefatafl, etc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:42:10 GMT
Organization: Bally Systems

In article <1992Aug23.022521.17271@mits.mdata.fi> karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen) writes:
>In article <darse.714354066@silver-vly> darse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Darse Billings) writes:
>>
>>

[ stuff deleted ]

>
>2) What will happen when computers finally beat all human beings in
>Chess? Will there be less interest in Chess after that, or more?
>Or will there be a migration to Shogi or Go?

   I do not think so.  Why should we quit playing chess?  Unless the computer
finds an easy way to win in chess, it will still be a very difficult game
to play for humans; it will still be difficult to remember all possible wining
positions; it will still be a facinating game ...
    But... if the computer finds,  say, first 10 moves for white which leads to
a winning position, then people will loose interest in chess.

My $0.02 worth.


Siva (siva@bally.com), Bally Systems, Reno, NV 89502

>-- 
>Antti Karttunen       --  $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J  (et{ty|t|n)
>karttu@mits.mdata.fi  --  Apatheist, although not particularly proud of it.
From: hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Spits!
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:06:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBois) writes:

>mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley) writes:

>>In article <benwood.715369504@milton> benwood@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Henwood) writes:
>>>
>>>So far, I haven't seen any mention of "the girl" who is there with 
>>>Fischer.  The Seattle Times reporter her yesterday, 31 Aug, as a
>>>19-year-old Hungarian Chess prodigy (they had her name, but I didn't
>>>bring in the article).  I heard that Inside Chess had some information
>>>on her, too.

>>Her rating is in the 2100-2200 range.  What else do you need to know.
>>:-)

>Is she cute?


>>		William Moxley
>>		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

Except for the rating range, it sounds like Judit Polgar -- she's
about the right age and is a "prodigy."  Is this woman acting as
a second or is there something more going on?  Should I wait for
_People_ or _National Enquirer_?
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
From: rcs@cs.arizona.edu (Richard Schroeppel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: What's the current assessment of the Marshall Attack?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:11:39 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

What's the current of the Marshall Attack (in the Ruy Lopez,
e4 e5, Nf3 Nc6, Bb5 a6, Ba4 Nf6, O-O Be7, Re1 b5, Bb3 O-O, c3 d5!?).
The last time I played seriously, twenty years ago, White seemed
to have the edge.  Lately, I've seen it used by good players with
Black.  Is it rehabilitated?  Is 3 Bb5 refuted? :-)

Rich Schroeppel  rcs@cs.arizona.edu


Xref: sparky rec.games.chess:6484 comp.ai:3227 rec.games.programmer:3646 rec.games.go:1712
From: nstraguz@atl.ge.com (Nick Straguzzi)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,comp.ai,rec.games.programmer,rec.games.go
Subject: Re: comp.games.research
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:32:02 GMT
Reply-To: nstraguzzi@atl.dnet.ge.com
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

>>>os9ug@gkcl.ists.ca (OS-9 User Group) writes:
>>> How about a more general newsgroup devoted to computing research in
>>> any and all tactical/strategic games?

>> <AeY6O9a00VpNA7hml5@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jonathan R. Ferro" writes:
>>This is what rec.games.programmer is supposed to be for, but it gets
>>difficult to define when a topic has crossed the line from "programming
>>games" to "programming this specific game effect on a PC/Amiga/whatever

> <1992Aug18.091247.22457@ists.ists.ca> sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca writes:
>Hmm.  Reading through the articles here, I got the impression that
>rec.games.programmer was a much more general conference, and was 
>concerned with any and all types of games. [...]

Two reasons why comp.games.research is a good idea:

1) Many sites -- especially commercial AI research centers such as
mine -- cannot receive rec.anything by policy.  Discussion about
computer game theory and its research and applications belongs in the
comp.* hierarchy.  I wouldn't put it under comp.ai, though, since game
theory predates artificial intelligence by several centuries.

2) It is silly to have one news group service (a) serious computer
science researchers working to advance the state-of-the-art of game
theory and (b) hackers announcing their latest version of Super
Awesome D&D RogueHacker.  What you'd end up with is a forum where
consecutive messages read as follows:

"Does anyone have a reference to a paper discussing ways to represent
incomplete information in a four-way alpha-beta pruning search?"

"Say, does the tooth fairy have magic resistance to ice dragons?"

'Nuf said. 

>What I was thinking of, re: comp.games.research, was a conference
>specifically devoted to the analysis of tactical/strategic board
>games like chess, go, othello, etc. -- and the more general domain
>of rec.games.programmer, which seems to be all games of any sort.

A good and useful distinction; however, rather than defining the new
domain as "strategy board games", let's just make it "strategy games",
period.  My area of research is the game of bridge, which contains a
lifetime of strategy and tactical theory....just no board.

So when does the charter and RFD for "comp.games.research" come out?

Nick
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines)
Subject: Re: Time controls
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:26:06 GMT


Karpov says he tried to meet with Fischer for a match after 1975, and they
did arrange all the details and a plan.  He also explains that when the 
Brass at the Russki Chess Fed. got wind of the arrangements, they balked
and would not allow Karpov to play.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Boycott
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  2 Sep 92 16:35:07 GMT

jgolds@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey A Golds) writes:

>Look, I'm not trying to put anyone down, but illegality does not imply
>incorrectness.

Does a country sponsering thugs to throw women and children in
concentration camps based on their religion imply incorrectness to you?


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny)
Subject: Boycott
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:59:26 GMT

I hereby encourage all individuals thinking of boycotting
the F-S re-match to do the following:

Boycott oil companies dur to ozone depletion from auto emmisions...
Boycott comsmetic companies for unethical treatment of animals...
Boycott your parents for the emotional scars suffered during
 the horrors of childhood..

Get the idea?
Have a nice day.
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        	- Autosexual | s_kenny@unhh.unh.edu      
	       Be Bop Deluxe | Stephen J. Kenny   
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow)
Subject: Re: K-K games rigged?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:04:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.192006.4078@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>In a New York Times article, it was mentioned that Spassky also believes
>that the Karpov/Kasparov match was rigged. Does this lend credence to 
                                                           ^^^^^^^^
>Fischer's claim? They did say that such allegations are common in
>the "paranoid" world of high-level chess though.

No.  Repeating a rumor does not add any validity to it.  Facts add
credence.  
--
Bob von Buelow             Mars Observer Planning and Sequencing Element
bobv@quarky.jpl.nasa.gov         - standard disclaimers apply -
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen)
Subject: DRAGON!!!!!
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:14:19 GMT

Hello!

Somw weeks/months ago here was a proposal of
a dragon "paper" about own games and ideas. Did it born?
Is it still alive? I would like to have the mails that have
been written and share some ideas that certainly aren't common
and widely spread.

DRAGON IS STILL ALIVE!!!!!! (though to my knowledge choking today :(

Antti
From: mginsbur@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Review: Knightstalker
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:49:09 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

It's probably not a good idea to load endgames into Knightstalker
as a training tool since it's notoriously weak in this phase of the game.
If you don't believe me, ask its marketer, Don Maddox.  

Of course, the Germans are working on this (btw, the German version of
this program is called "Fritz") but for the time being, don't look to
Knightstalker for endgame erudition.

-mark
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Support Bobby!
From: Ken Ramaley <KJRGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 09:03:49 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Whoops! I made a nearly unforgivable caissic goof.  Of course it was
BOTVINIK who was trying to arrange a match with Alekhine when WW II broke
out.  In any case, I just read in the NYTimes that the match is
expected to go on in Serbia as scheduled. I'll be watching every game (and
it should only take Bobby about 15 or so.).
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From: Bruce_Leverett@TRANSARC.COM
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chinook-Tinsley results as of Saturday
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:37:26 GMT

I am most grateful for the regular reporting of the Chinook-Tinsley results.
History is being made, and I'm getting detailed and up-to-date reports on it.
You can't ask for more from a newsgroup.

I could hardly believe my eyes when I read the messages complaining that this
reporting violated subject-matter purity.  I hope that the folks at U. Alberta
are not deeply offended by this rude reception.  By all means, keep the news
coming!

Bruce Leverett
From: geissler@angelika.uucp (Norbert Geissler)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: German Chess Magazine
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:24:36 GMT
Organization: SNI AP 154

In article <1451600034@igc.apc.org> CAPSA <capsa@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>I've had email returned to me because I did not send it to the
>correct address.  That probably was because I did not know how to
>use the system, so I am responding to your conference posting.
> 
>Why not try Herr Ernst Bedau
>                 Turmstr. 7
>                 D-W-6730 Neustadt
>                 GERMANY?  He is the Press Officer, accredited to
>FIDE, of the German Chess Federation.  In addition, there are the
>three following magazines listed in the FIDE CHIPS address list:
> 
>Schach-R Report-Deutsche Schachblatter
>Gunter Lossa, Editor
>Postfach 1268
>D-8607 Hollfeld
>GERMANY
> 
>Schach-Echo
>Hans Peter Fecht, Editor
>Schach-Echo-Verlag
>Valterweg 16
>D-6239 Eppstein 3
>GERMANY
> 
I'm sorry to say, but the magazin "Schach-Echo" doesn't exist anymore.

>and (the best known)
>Die Schachwoche
>Werner Widmer, Editor
>Schachagentur Caissa AG
>CH-5614 Sarmenstorf
>SWITZERLAND (NOTE WELL: that's SWITZERLAND, not Germany).
> 
>Fraternally,
> 
>Jerome Bibuld
>


Norbert Geissler, SIEMENS-NIXDORF AG, SNI AP 154, Munich, Germany
E-MAIL: norbert.geissler@sniap.mchp.sni.de   
..for chess, that superb, cold, infinitely satisfying anodyne to life, I feel
the ardour of a lover, the humility of a disciple.  (Herbert Russel Wakefield)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com (Craig Presson)
Subject: Re: Boycott
Reply-To: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
	<1992Sep2.152702.20641@afit.af.mil> <1992Sep2.155500.20961@afit.af.mil>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.155500.20961@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
   In article <1992Sep2.152702.20641@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) rewrites:
[...]  The first word 
   >out of libertarians' mouths always seems to be ``totalitarian'' and this
   >renders discourse with them .

   Duh ... ``renders discourse with them'' ... uninteresting.

Gee, I liked the way you had it. ... renders discourse with them
(null). Combined with the tail-recursion in the last paragraph, it
stands as a sterling example of the effect of Too Much Computer
Science on the human nervous system :-)

-- Craig
We live in interesting times...