HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk RPG Character Generation
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:09:28 GMT

A program that produces text in the way you would like isn't exactly
news. Computer generated poetry and stories has been around for quite
a while. Another guy here at the Lysator computer club has written a
story server or something like that just recently. Try asking him how
he did that one. Leif Stensson <leif@lysator.liu.se>
--
mikael cardell <cardell@lysator.liu.se>

          S P U N K  P R E S S
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: fuck the definitions
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:41:20 GMT
Organization: IR/PS at UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws81.ucsd.edu

In article <C19DCn.62J@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR
Willis) writes (apparently during a psychotic episode):

(full-on rant deleted)

Did you know there are many decaffeinated brands which are just as satisfying
as the real thing?  Either switch brands or quit shouting, please.

Your ever-so-humble servant,

-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway

From: Chris.Knight@njackn.uucp (Chris Knight)
Sender: FredGate@njackn.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Virtual meeting places
Date: 22 Jan 93  13:25:26 EST

 DB> session on an internet BBS.  Everyone (save one woman from Australia) had
 DB> handles... could you imagine what a simulated chat would look like... if 
 DB> people chose their own makeup (image to hide behine 
 DB> rather than a handle)...
 DB> This would be interesting indeed :-)
 
  Sort of like on the Sierra Network?



 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play Conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
The Association for the Study of Play
April 22 - 24, 1993 % The St. Paul Hotel % St. Paul, Minnesota

       The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue until Saturday, April 24.  There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
	TASP conferences traditionally have provided a mechanism by which researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas and interact in a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
       Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees ($60 professional and $20 student made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}/894-5028 {evening}.
From: 90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Atkins)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:34:08 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR Willis) writes:


> Just for info's sake I believe that Babbages engine was actually completed
> over a year ago. (It was shown on tomorrows world here in the UK)

> 'Ready ? I was born ready.'
> 
Last I heard some elements of it had been demonstrated working, but
engineering problems meant not all of it could at once.....keep debugging!
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: atman@rahul.net (Visceral Clamping Mechanism)
Subject: Agrippa via FTP
Keywords: agrippa agr1ppa nene 
Organization: a2i network
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:13:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan14.085143.9025@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drow) writes:
[ agrippa description deleted ]

>	.  you can request it from the future-culture
>	mailing list (email future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu with subject
>	help : no guarantee that it's still available.)

It's available via FTP at the same place the FutureCulture digests are
archived: at ftp.rahul.net in /pub/atman/UTLCD-preview.  Agrippa itself
is ftp.rahul.net:/pub/atman/UTLCD-preview/assorted-text/agrippa.arj
and there are some other cool goodies there too, including unarjers for
most popular operating systems.  If one of the unarjers doesn't work,
please let me know.

@Man/atman

-- 
atman@rahul.net  ||  "Burn hollywood burn!"

Sync ye to the beat, and become it; once you understand it, you can destroy it.
From: cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:39:28 GMT
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University

Another book concerning Babbage is Michael Lindgren's "Glory and
Failure". It tells you all you would want to know about the difference
engine #1 and #2 as well as the Scheutz machine. One of the latter was
found by the author and reconstructed to work again. It's now at the
Swedish technical museum as is Mr. Lindgren.

--
mikael cardell <cardell@lysator.liu.se>

          S P U N K  P R E S S
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From: ahlvers@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Richelle Ahlvers)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.graphics
Subject: Searching for WMF to ??? conversion.
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:45:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	After searching archive sites for 3 days, I'm getting a little 
frustrated.
	I'm looking for something that can convert a Windows metafile
into some other sort of useful graphics file (and retain the color 
information).  I am trying to write an instructional tutorial about
a program and cannot get my graphics off of the ?!@# pc. 
	I am able to get the WMF files by using a screen grab program.
Does anyone know of any others and where I might find them?  A PCX export
would be perfect, but I can deal with most of the standard file formats.
	Any help would be greatly appreciated.
	Thanks!
Richelle
-- 
Richelle Ahlvers	
ASTUTE Center			Academic Systems for the Training
Computing Services		and Use of Technology in Education
The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS   66045		

E-mail addresses:	Internet:  ahlvers@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
			Bitnet:	   ahlvers@ukanvax.bitnet
				   ahlvers@ukanvm.bitnet
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From: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.graphics
Subject: Tseng Et4000 ->24 bit
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:14:27 GMT
Followup-To: poster


	Hi all...

	I have been told that my Tseng Et4000 SVGA video card can be upgraded to 24bit, simply by replacing the current DAC (digital analogue converter) with a 24bit DAC (80MHz PLCC 44pin package).
	Has anybody ever done this, and if so how readily available is the new DAC, and roughly how much does it cost.  I have been told to get a Sierra DAC, but can I use one from some other company (I have seen AT&T chips in use).
	
	Any help would be gratefully appreciated....

	Thanks very much in advance...


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From: puskaric@cis.ohio-state.edu (petar e puskarich)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Mapping Software Sought.
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:41:27 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu

Hello.  I have a question for all you graphics gurus out there. My
architecture studio needs to have a 2-d topographicsal image mapped
onto a 3-d sphere.  I know there will be some distortion, but thats okay.
All I need is to find out how to do it.  If anyone has any ideas please
email at 

jcarter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
 
or  call at 614 293-2235

Thanks,

Jennifer Carter

P.S.  or just followup to this post and I will get the info that way as well.
From: jogl@merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: WANTED: *.jpeg --> X11 (RGB 24 Bit!-Display)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 11:51:26 GMT
Organization: Institut f. Med. Statistics @ Dokumentation
NNTP-Posting-Host: merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de


hi,
 
i think "Subject:" says it all:
we have a brand new rs6000-station with a 24Bit/RGB-Display-Console.

we like to display some high-end images (in *.jpeg-format),
but all our (old) X-viewers (XV 2.21 and xloadimage) can only
user 256 colors.

is there any tool to get full use of the 24bit-images.
(even a *.ppm-viewer would do!)

ANY help is wellcome ...

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   __/__/_/ Gl    !    RWTH-Aachen, Germany, Europe     !
  /_/             !_Never_send_a_boy_to_do_a_man's_job__!
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From: dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils,alt.binaries.pictures.d,alt.sex.pictures.d,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Subject: Re: dcview21.zip -- ColorView for DOS JPEG Viewer
Keywords: JPEG JFIF GIF BMP Viewer Converter
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:13:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.graphics.pixutils

xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen) writes:

>In article <C0pzn2.KuG@cs.columbia.edu> hee@cs.columbia.edu (Edward Hee) writes:
>>The latest version of ColorView for DOS, version 2.1, a fast JPEG/JFIF,
>>GIF, Windows BMP viewer/converter/editor has been posted as dcview21.zip
>>
>>ColorView will work with:
>>	o  16 bit, 65356 color display boards with a VESA driver
>>	o  24 bit color display boards with a VESA driver

>I tested the new version on my 486/33 based on ET4000 w/ 24-bit capability.
>The 24-bit mode was not working properly, while the other modes worked
>very nicely, it provided some very good functions and took advantage of
>a mouse to make pull-down menu easy to use, I like it!

I ran across another problem.  I was checking out its command-line file 
conversion capability (doing some time trials) and the convert-to-jpg one 
would not work at all.  It kept returning the message "no image to save,"
as if it could not find the file.  I got the same response even when I
used full pathnames.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Specifically, 
try the following
   cview -j85 <gif_file>
where <gif_file> is any gif file in the directory.

>I think this is the best shareware jpg viwer around if this problem can
>be resolved.

Yeah... it does show a lot of promise.

dk
From: rcion@rw5.urc.tue.nl (Ion Barosan)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: IMAGE_TO_PRINTER(MSDOS)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: rcion@urc.tue.nl

Hello,

Does someone know a MS-DOS public domain program which
can dump a image from the screen to the printer ?

Any help will be appreciated .

Thanks.
-- 
internet: rcion@urc.tue.nl      | Ion Barosan         Room  RC 1.88
fax:      +31 (0)40 434438      | Eindhoven University of  Technology
phone:    +31 (0)40 472154      | P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: tomw@megatek.com (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: Raytracing software
Reply-To: tomw@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:31:17 GMT

In article <26JAN199312525441@zeus.tamu.edu> crm7479@zeus.tamu.edu (MARTIN, CHRISTOPHER RAY) writes:
>	I'm looking for a decent raytracing software package (shareware)
>for MS-DOS... does anyone know of a ftp site that has one? Also, if
>you happen to have one, could you please mail it to me? Thanks, Chris.
>
From your favorite mirror (such as oak.oakland.edu) get these files:

POVDOC.ZIP    B  106822  920823  Persistence of Vision Raytracer v1.0, docs
POVIBM.ZIP    B  235747  920823  Persistence of Vision Raytracer, PC EXE/docs
POVSCN.ZIP    B  578209  920823  Persistence of Vision Raytracer, scene files
POVSRC.ZIP    B  438106  920823  Persistence of Vision Raytracer v1.0, C source

from /pub/msdos/graphics

Regards,
Tom Wright
From: mnmuelle@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Martin Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: GIF-Catalogmaker needed
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:25:19 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui00a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Keywords: GIF

Hi everyone !

I'm desperately searching for a program to make a catalog of
my GIF's. The program should be given a list of filenames
and convert these GIF's to greyscale, shrink them and add
the shrunk greyscale-pictures together with the corresponding
filename to a new (large) picture.

This program should work on MS-DOS-machines.

Btw., it's not essential for the program to work on GIF's
only, since there are plenty of other programs to convert
formats.

If you know such a program, please drop me a line !

Thanks in advance,
		Martin MAVERICK Mueller


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From: anadeem@ampere.alt.graphics.pixutils (Ahmed Nadeem)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Edge Detection And Segmentation Using Khorus and PV-WAVE
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:59:02 GMT
Distribution: alt.graphics.pixutils
Organization: /home/ampere1/anadeem/.organization

Netters,
        I am currently working on a research project that involves generating
solid or geometric models from MRI images. Part of the procedure will require 
me to possibly perform Thresholding & Edge Detection on my MRI images in order
to find out which pixels lie on boundaries between two different regions. 
Thus, I would like to have an Image Processing Software package that has good 
Edge Detection and Classification ( Segmentation ) modules/routines.  
        I have heard a lot about Khoros ( University Of New Mexico) and 
PV-WAVE (Precision Visuals) and was curious if other professionals or students
had any experience on how good they are for the above purposes. Suggestions 
on other software packages are also much welcome.
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: C-code for importing graphics.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:40:24 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de

In article <afeinsil.12.727596702@ucs.indiana.edu>,
afeinsil@ucs.indiana.edu (AMIR FEINSILBER) writes:
|> I'm looking for some source code (in C) that will allow me to import
|> graphics files of all varieties.  In particular, .gif's .tiff's and
|> .pcx's.  Please let me know if you are aware of any such software.  

You should have a look into PBMPLUS source code. PBMPLUS has programs that
read all the formats you mentioned.

-- 
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-W4600 Dortmund 50       |\|\    Fax : +49 231 755-2386
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Subject: Re: Need to conv Xfig to vector file for WP51.
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:07:26 GMT
Keywords: Xfig WP51

In <kfhoech.727584812@vincent1.iastate.edu> kfhoech@iastate.edu (Karl F Hoech) writes:

>Sorry I did not say so in the original post, I do not have a
>postscript printer available (only LaserJet III).

>>Another approach would be to use HP-GL, but this I haven't
>>tried, so I don't know how it would look.

>There are no utilities here that can accomplish this.  Where may I
>find a DOS or UN*X tool to accomplish this conversion?

Oops, I should have looked closer before recommending HPGL.

My xfig-2.1.3 shows IBMGL (HPGL) as a output file format
in its export menu although fig2dev doesn't support it.

Michael
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Michael Elbel - me@dude.pcs.com  |  Fermentation fault (coors dumped)
From: unicorn@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Adrian Castillo)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: How to use MPEG viewer with dll other than ATI
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:25:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.cc.utexas.edu

  DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE FROM ME.  I got it to work
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
From: olthof@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (i/o)
Subject: Color editor
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:27 GMT

This article was posted for a friend who cannot access this newsgroup.
Please reply directly to him via email (allan@jade.ab.ca).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am looking for a color editor for raster images.
I have a number of images with relatively few colors in them (screen dumps)
and I need to make changes such as making the desktop blue or making the
window background color grey.
Does anyone know of a utility which reads an image and allows me to edit
either the colormap or the actual pixels in this way? Preferably PD.
I have pbmplus (Version of 05oct91) so I am able to use any of pbm supported
formats.  My final target format is tiff.
I'm running X11R5 on Sparcs. I also have access to Macs.
 
Please email your replies as I do not have access to the alt newsgroups.
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
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Jeff Allan                              Jade Simulations International Corp.
Product Manager                         Third Floor, 1422 Kensington Road N.W.
                                        Calgary, Alberta, CANADA  T2N 3P9
allan@jade.ab.ca                        Ph: (403)974-0444  Fax: (403)283-3041
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Ian Olthof						olthof@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
From: larsen@OES.ORST.EDU (Scott Larsen)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: Need to conv Xfig to vector file for WP51.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:41:19 GMT
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu
Summary: try xfig 2.1.6 and IBMGL (HPGL)
Keywords: Xfig WP51 HPGL

In article <kfhoech.727474329@vincent2.iastate.edu> kfhoech@iastate.edu (Karl F Hoech) writes:
>I need to find a way to import figures generated with Xfig (v2.1)
>to a vector format that can be imported into WordPerfect 5.1.  I
>wish to maintain a vector format throughout to allow for scaling.
>Any help is appreciated.

Get the latest version of xfig and transfig (2.1.6) available now from a X 
contrib sources archive near you. :)  You can export decent IBMGL (HPGL) and 
WP 5.1 can load this format.

It's not nearly as nice as EPS, but if you only have a regular HP
laserjet type printer, it's a necessity evil and the next best thing.


Scott Larsen
larsen@oes.orst.edu                      UUCP: hplabs!hp-pcd!orstcs!larsen
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"I didn't do it!"
		- Crusty the Clown
From: cvadrhcq@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: C++ graphics driver 256 colors
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:56:46 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrhcq

Hello there!

    I am looking for a C graphics driver that allows me to use all 256 colors
simultaneously.  I am currently using Borland C++ with the EGA graphics driver,
and I could only display 16 colors at any one time.  My purpose for the
graphics driver is to be able to display all GIF files with up to 256 colors.
Right now my GIF decoder could only display 16 colors.
  
    Any information would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.

PS: some information on how to write games or how to make multiple images
    move at once; by time sharing or round robin technique.

Sonny Vo
From: HLR002@DJUKFA11.BITNET (Manfred Kremer)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: dcview21.zip -- ColorView for DOS JPEG Viewer
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:33:05 GMT
 <dk.727830801@alcor>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

I am sorry, but I couldn't find ColorView at wuarchive.wustl.edu
It was not in the /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS diectory, and I could not find it
anywhere else. Where has it gone??????

Thanks
Manfred Kremer
hlr002@djukfa11.bitnet
From: jogl@merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Re: Anyone have xv patches for xbm
Date: 24 Jan 1993 12:33:24 GMT
Organization: Institut f. Med. Statistics @ Dokumentation
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: merry.imib.rwth-aachen.de

In article <ANDY.93Jan24023347@meefun.autodesk.com> andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam) writes:
>Hi, was quite surprized when master of 10^3 formats xv could not
>handle xbm. Anyone have patches for such? Thanks, Andy (andy@autodesk.com)
>Andrew V. Purshottam      /\     |  andy@autodesk.com  ...!fernwood!acad!andy 

hi,
 
don't you have PBMPlus ? if not: GET IT. it's great. viewing *.xbm
(and LOTS of other formats) is then simple:

            xbmtopbm <OurFile>.xbm | xv -nolimits -

the "trick" is, that xv can read from STDIN and the PBMPlus "xbmtopbm"
converts your data to a format, xv can read.

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From: mitterma@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Andreas Mittermayr)
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: heckbert colorquantization
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:30:29 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de
Keywords: quantization

hello,

two questions to the heckbert colorquantization:

1)
in the algorithm-part to find a cutpoint for a box it sais to find the
longest RGB-axe and sort it.
what does longest axe mean : the axe with the longest range of values along it, or
is the longest axe the axe with the most colors ?

2)
what does median cut point mean ?


greetings
		Andreas