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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MS-DOS FST
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:14:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <66@generic.UUCP> taob@generic.UUCP (Brian Tao) writes:
>[...] Even if only the
>data fork is transferred, the FST would be very useful.  GIF's, text files,
>ZIP's, raw binary sounds (compatible with the SoundBlaster VOC format), etc.

I don't have much real-world experience with MS-DOS.  I'm interested in
your informed opinions on what MS-DOS suffixes (.TXT, etc) should correspond
by default to various GS/OS filetype/auxiliary type combinations.

Here's one possible list of default translations:

  suffix ftype auxtype
  .TXT    $04   $0000      text file
  .BAT    $04   $0000      batch file
  .BIN    $06   $0000      binary file
  .ASC    $04   $0000      ASCII text file
  .C      $04   $0000      C language source code
  .H      $04   $0000      C header file
  .PAS    $04   $0000      Pascal language source code
  .ASM    $04   $0000      assembly language source code
  .LST    $04   $0000      listing file
  .COB    $04   $0000      COBOL language source code
  .FOR    $04   $0000      FORTRAN language source code
  .DOC    $04   $0000      documentation file
  .SRC    $04   $0000      source code file
  .GIF    $C0   $8006      GIF file

Reasonable?  ($04 is Text and $06 is Binary.)
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: xnybpf01@serss0.fiu.edu (Brian P Feeny)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: FOR SALE!
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:31:08 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


 
 
I have the folowing items for sale:
 
Apple //e w/128k (enhanced)               $250
Apple Monitor (Green Display)             $75
Apple Mouse w/ card                       $50
Apple DMP Printer                         $125
4) Apple Disk ][ Drives                   $30 each
2) Apple Disk ][ Drive Cards              $15 each
Keningston Microware System Saver //e     $30
Applied Eng. DataLink 2400 internal modem $75
Kraft CH Deluxe joystick                  $15
Sonus MIDI interface                      $50
Sonus SuperSequencer 128 (needs midi card)$40
 
 
   All items in perfect condition, and come in original boxes.  Email first
to make sure the item is still availible, and I will send you my address.
 
                                          Brian Feeny
                                          xnybpf01@serss0.fiu.edu
 
 
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From: slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: New GS Freeware
Keywords: GS Freeware support
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:56:35 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

t_captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:

> 
> Well, I've never seen any of those files, and I cruse the FTP sites daily 
> looking for more PD/ShareWare programs to put on TCQ. I also blow about 
> $200 a month on LD bills doing the same on some fifty systems around the 
> country.
> 
> Perhaps if these programs popped into tybalt or some other ftp site the 
> rest of us would be interested...

        Look again.  CyberWar has been on tybalt for quite some time.

        Anyway, I think his point is that Quinn isn't finishing/releasing 
his work due to lack of support.


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From: anthony@seas.smu.edu (Richard Anthony)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Dragon's Lair II for the GS?
Summary: Odd!
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:13:29 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx

In article <14417@mindlink.bc.ca> Herbert_Fung@mindlink.bc.ca (Herbert Fung) writes:
>Has anyone heard of Dragon's Lair II: Time Warp by ReadySoft Inc. for the
>GS? It is advertised for $47.54US for both the Apple IIGS and Macintosh
>computers. I put in an order over a month ago at Educational Resources. I
>called them again today and they said that it was on back order and should
>be shipping in about five days. What I couldn't understand is how could it
>be on back order when it appears that is hasn't been widely advertised?
>Can anyone else verify the existence of this game for the GS?
>                                __________
>Herbert Fung                      |    |
>MindLink!                         |    |  GS Forever!
>British Columbia, Canada        __|____|__
>
A friend of mine Talked to Educational Recources several months ago, after
receiving a catalog from them and seeing this advertised.  They told him
that they were still working on it.  He then called back about 2 weeks later
and they told him thet were NOT going to finish it or release it!  Hmm
Hopefully they have changed their Minds!

Jim
From: gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple IIGS system for sale
Keywords: Apple II, IIGS, for sale
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:46:39 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


    Apple IIGS system for sale:

	IIGS system box with SCSI controller card
	Apple 12-inch RGB monitor
	AE RAM card with 1.5 Mbyte
	External 20 Mbyte AMR SCSI disk
	3.5-inch floppy drive
	5.25-inch floppy drive
	standard keyboard

	+lots of software:
		Orca C
		GraphicWriter III
		games: Shadowgate, Revolution '76, Silent Service,
			Bard's Tale I&II, Stickybear ABC, Russia, others

Asking $1,000 or best offer (not including shipping), but will listen to
any reasonable offer.

Please reply by e-mail to: gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov

				Joe Gurman
--
J.B. Gurman / Solar Physics Branch / NASA Goddard Space Flight Center /
Greenbelt MD 20771 USA / gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov
| Federal employees are prohibited from holding opinions under the Hatch Act.|
| Therefore, any opinions expressed herein are somebody else's.              |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MS-DOS FST
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:00:36 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <9208151216.aa22751@generic.UUCP> taob@terranet.cts.com (Brian Tao) writes:
> dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes...
> >
> >Here's one possible list of default translations:
> >
> >  .C      $04   $0000      C language source code
> >  .H      $04   $0000      C header file
> >  .PAS    $04   $0000      Pascal language source code
> >  .ASM    $04   $0000      assembly language source code
> 
>     Might as well assign these files the correct file and aux types
> using the ORCA conventions ($00B0/$0005 for Pascal, $0008 for C and
> C header files, not sure what ORCA uses for assembler source).

NO!  See comments below.

> 
> >  .SRC    $04   $0000      source code file
> 
>     Is this tied to any particular language?  If not, it should
> probably be assigned a filetype of SRC and an auxtype of $0000.

I don't think that auxtype $0000 of type $B0 is defined. 

>     Other possible designations (scanning through Apple.FTypes):
> 
> PFS:File        $0016/$0001 |
> PFS:Write       $0016/$0002 |
> PFS:Graph       $0016/$0003 |- Anyone know the DOS extensions?
> PFS:Plan        $0016/$0004 |
> WordPerfect     $00A0/$0000 |

There aren't any standard extensions for WordPerfect files - the user
can choose anything they like.

> .FLI, .GL       $005B/$0000 (animation files)
> .EPS            $00B0/$0719 (is this really an official filetype?)
> .TTF            $00C8/$0002 (since Windows 3.1 TT fonts aren't in the
>                              format as Mac/Pointless fonts)
> .VOC            $00D8/$0000 (Sound Blaster sampled sounds)

None of the above files should automatically be assigned a
corresponding Apple II filetype UNLESS THE FILE FORMAT IS 100%
COMPATIBLE WITH THE APPLE II DEFINITION OF THAT TYPE!

In particular, MS-DOS WordPerfect files are signficantly different to
Apple II/IIgs ones.  Similarly, Windows TrueType font files are
nothing like the Mac/IIgs ones.

In the case of C source files, it is a very rare occasion when a
program written for an unspecified MS-DOS C compiler will compile
without error under ORCA/C.  All C compilers have their own quirks,
and a manual translation should be performed before trying this.

Pascal is probably worse.  Turbo Pascal and ORCA/Pascal have
significant differences.

As for assembly language: do you know of any ORCA/M compatible
assemblers on the PC?  Any assemblers that use 65816 assembly language?
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Has the 2GS been dropped?
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:59:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

scottba@edsi.plexus.COM (Scott Anderson) writes:

>The Developer (that I didn't want to believe in the first place) is 
>trimper@edsi.plexus.com.  Nail him!

Scott, you should know that such a post is LIBELOUS and likely to get
me very mad at YOU, and even legally in trouble, if I am bothered any
more by it.  I'm being serious here.  

I'll repost what I sent a person in mail, and have formally requested that
scott cancel this post.  If he does not cancel his post, I will speak
to site administrators, then higher up, but I hope that won't be neccessary.

To sum up, my OBSERVATIONS on the II line are such:


>information that the IIgs was dead?  I recently read a post by a IIgs user who
>said he got this information from you.  Please clarify your sources so we can

No sources, really, just some observations:
1) Apple has laid off or moved to other projects all the Apple II people
where they are no longer officially Apple II project people.
2) The IIe and IIgs are not on the upcoming educational price list -
neither are any 68000-based Macs (Classic, PB100,).  Futhermore, upcoming
Mac system software will not support the 68000's.
3) Apple is now MORE than encouraging Schools, etc, to move to the Mac,
   and discouraging Apple II purchases.
4) A call to Apple for info on our single IIgs left at the university to
   ask a floppy drive configuration problem (Duo Disk, SCSI disk, and
   2 daisychained 800k disks don't all like each other) recommended that
   we seek local, independent help, and didn't offer any, as they had in
   years past.

All of these observations, and rumour in MacWeek, schools, etc, lead me
to believe that the IIgs and the IIe are slated for the cutting block
this fall.  The market has been induced away.

Take my observations for what they are worth - $0.00.  I'll ask that
scott  NOT use me as a ref without my permission.

P.S.  You do NOT have permission to post any element of my
private email to you in any form.  I do NOT have time to get embroiled
in a stoopid II/Mac/Amiga/IBM etc flame war.  Thank you.

Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com
From: mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: Has the 2gs been dropped?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:50:16 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

Word has it that

> trimper@edsi.plexus.com.  Nail him!

said the GS had been dropped.

Well, now, don't blame him. You see, he was FORCED to say that because of
the psychic energy aimed at his brain by the conspiracy. You see, Elvis has
been trying to take over production of the GS for years. In fact, he's
enlisted the help of extra-terrestrials with brain-particle-beam weapons who
implant these thoughts in people such as the one above and the editors of
MacWeak (which they do almost weakly, er, weekly). Some of Elvis's other
projects are taking over AE's 900 number tech line and replacing it with --
no, not an 800 number, but a whole phone patrol of techs who will call YOU
to make sure everything is running OK, and a restart of the magazine SofTalk,
with monthly programming contests with whole systems as prizes for the
fastest sort routine.

How do I know? Steve Jobs told me. He works for Elvis too, and is a 
*real*  *nice*  *guy*  (those stories that he started the Mac project were
lies created by Pepsico during their attempted takeover at Apple).

'Scuse me, I have to take my medication now.


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>%> Clinical Psychology             AOL: Dynasoar01@AOL.COM          <%<
>%> Old Dominion University         New Beginnings @ Serenity Lodge  <%<
>%> Norfolk, VA, USA, Earth, etc    Chesapeake, VA    800-444-9166   <%<
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From: pfmj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: *APPLE MICE-MAC,//GS,//c-$35!!!*
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:01:58 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I have the following forsale:
-Apple ADB Bus mice for new macintoshes and //GS computers
-Apple //c mouse

I am asking $35 for each mouse +$3 for shipping.
If interested, reply ASAP
Thanks,
Seenu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Subject: Re: VAMPS - seriously, now
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.054221.5803@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
>Ok, I retrieved three of these VAMPS disks from cba2, the JukeBox.2, European
>Sampler, and SpaceFox ones (were there others?). I was quite keen to hear the
>songs; the subjects I've been most interested in, in my Psych degree were 322 &
>324, the first entirely devoted to the sensation of sound and the second to
>perception in general, so I had an idea of the perceptual effects mentioned in
>the docs (though I thought their description therein to be unnecessarily
>bafflegabby).

Can anybody tell me what Vamps is/are?

I found only two vamps disks in tybalt.caltech.edu (vamps.demo2 and       
vamps.spacefox, I assume vamps.demo2 is the JukeBox.2 described above), where
can I get the European Sampler?

>-- 
>Marc Sira               |
>toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"
>                        '


Thanks for any info.
-- 
    %% GS Lover Loves GS %%    Author of Super Magic 3 & Mandelbrot II GS
    %%  and Avatar too.  %%   
          Lim Thye Chean: Lim is my surname. My name is Thye Chean.
     My address: LTCHEAN@ISS.NUS.SG, or 9, College Green, Singapore 1129
From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: How many files in a ProDOS directory ?
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:52:09 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
>Yes, you're correct.  You can never do anything useful with block $FFFF on
>a ProDOS disk, because there's no way in the 16-bit value in block 2 to say
>that there are $10000 blocks available.

This could be a problem for ProDOS 8 v2.0.1. If I have a smartport device
exactly 65536 blocks in size and it is drive 3 on the smartport chain (and
I am assuming not in slot 5 [otherwise it would have to be drive 5 or more])
then ProDOS 8 v2.0.1 will use the Smartport status routine which can return
$010000 as the number of blocks. ProDOS will ignore the top byte and say that
the drive is a 0 block device.

If this same device was instead 48 MB, ProDOS 8 v2.0.1 would say it was 16 MB.

The code in question is:

fd47    jsr     $0000
fd4a    dcb     $00
fd4b    dcw     $fd8d
fd4d    bcs     $fd6e
fd4f    ldx     $fd4a		; get command just performed
fd52    bne     $fd6e		; not status so done
fd54    ldx     $d6ed		; get low byte of volume size
fd57    ldy     $d6ee		; get middle byte of volume size
fd5a    lda     $d6ec		; get status
fd5d    bit     #$10		; online?
fd5f    bne     $fd65		; yes - check write prot
fd61    lda     #$2f		; OFFLINE
fd63    bra     $fd6d
fd65    and     #$44		; get device & media write protect
fd67    eor     #$40
fd69    beq     $fd6e
fd6b    lda     #$2b		; WRITE PROTECTED
fd6d    sec
fd6e    rts

The top byte of the volume size ($d6ef) is never checked. In my opinion,
if the top byte is non zero the status call should return $ffff as the size.
-- 
David Wilson				(042) 21 3802 voice, (042) 21 3262 fax
Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong	david@cs.uow.edu.au
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Moderation: good, bad, or what...
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:30:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug17.101816.8076@unlv.edu> sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
>While we're talking about moderation...I can't find the CFV for cba2
>moderation in news.groups.  Haven't checked to see if it's in cba2,
>but our site expires posts in binaries newsgroups after only a few
>days.  Anybody care to repost it, if you have it?
>
>  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
> / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!                      Fidonet: 1:209/765
>(IIe (  TEMPORARILY OFFLINE    Apple II/IBM                     GEnie: S.ALFTER
> \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
>

I guess it's time for another repost, I have mailed it out to several
people already. Here it is again folks....

Rich

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From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Subject: DOS 3.3 Launcher
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:44:10 GMT

I've almost completed the DOS 3.3 launcher (and disk -> file copier)
now, and I'm looking for any last minute ideas for features (and the
answer to a related question).
I expect to start sending out a few copies in a week or so, so stay
tuned (unless anyone has any really good ideas).

It can currently handle 3 types of DOS programs:
1) Old Binary Files (like Apple Invaders).
2) Old Single Disk Images (converted to files).
3) Old Double Disk Images (treating the second disk as s6, d2)
The return to launcher feature works really smoothly.

My question is:
===============
Since most DOS 3.3 programs rely on a 1Mhz speed, I think it is
necessary to slow down to 1Mhz on entry, and restore the speed on
exit.
What do people think about this?
Should I do this, or should I require the user to enter the control
panel?

What about accelerators? I have code to slow down and restore
ZIPs and TransWarps, but I'm not sure whether its necessary when
you switch the machine to 1Mhz via the standard softswitch.
I think it would be still necessary - can someone confirm this?

The same argument could be applied to keyboard buffering - which is
a real pain for most old DOS 3.3 programs.

John MacLean.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: damin@hoare.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Corvus Constellation Hard Drive and GSOS
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:39:21 GMT


Here at Cleveland State University, we have and OLD 16 Megabyte Corvus
FileServer (Hard Drive System). Is there ANY way that this can be made to
run on a GS, using GSOS or ProDos?

Someone mentioned a ROM update. Can anyone tell me where to get this?

Any information would be appreciated. Thank...

Please direct all respones to E-Mail  al975@cleveland.freenet.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Window Managing Help
Summary: help!
Organization: Temples of Syrinx
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:58:59 GMT

I'm writing a IIgs desktop application which allows editing of documents in a 
window.  All is normally peachy, but if the user clicks in the window (changing
the position of the selection cursor) while an update event is pending, Bad 
Things happen (ie, I redraw the cursor, but if its old position isn't part of
the update region I end up with two cursors [not mouse cursors!] in the window,
which is obviously messy).  Does anyone know of an easy (or even not-so-easy:) way around this?



-- 
    _IanSchmidt(oINet+irsman@iastate.edu,oBITNET+twbv4@isuvax,$C000)
       Apple IIgs: It's not just a computer, its a state of mind
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: brudiakg@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Rudiak-Gould)
Subject: Re: SoftDisk GS
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:40:12 GMT

joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn) writes:

>Now that America Online has an Internet Gateway, you could always try
>sending mail to: bryan zak@aol.com

>Bryan works for Softdisk, and I generally send my monthly SoftdiskGS
>articles to the above address.

Slight correction: you should remove spaces from user names when
sending mail to aol.com.  The address should be:

bryanzak@aol.com

--
Ben Rudiak-Gould
brudiakg@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: pro-apa.cts.com!cbarber (Charles Barber)
Subject: tybalt
Organization: AppleWorks Programmers' Association - (213) 463-9289 300-1200-2400
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:00:43 GMT

I need the telephone number to the CALTECH internet site.  

-| cbarber@Pro-APA.cts.com     1-213-463-9298 (D/CALAN) |-
From: lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: gs.os.FST?
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:36:04 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <fmlin.163u@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:

>GS/OS is flexible enough to allow FSTs, I am wondering why we have to deal with
>HFS?  I mean, I find accessing HFS is noticibly slower when compared to prodos
>volumes.  I have 3 32mb prodos and 1 105+mb HFS.  HFS is slow!

HFS is a much more complicated file system, thus inherently slower.

>Why can't there be a simple new "gs.os.FST" be written.  It should be as
>similar to prodos a possible ( easier to program? ), just remove the 32mb
>limit.

That's an interesting thought, but then no Prodos 8 programs would be able
to access the volume.  Even worse, programs that do not use all standard
GS/OS calls might have a LOT of trouble using the volume.

>Although, now that I got my twgs back, accessing my HFS volume seem to have
>speed up a lot!  So, having a twgs or zip will help HFS access time?

I'm sure that the slowness comes from the CPU not the drive.  Since the
drive can read/write quickly, there's no slow down.  However, the CPU must
contend with all of the HFS file system maintenance (a laborious task),
so a faster CPU will natually speed data transfer.

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