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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: WHEN WILL THEY LEARN????
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:53:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.102749.8807@vax.oxford.ac.uk>,
ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> Why are there still people sending technical, sales,...etc. messages to rec.
> bicycles.MISC when there are specific directories for these types of messages.
>          ^^^^
> I hate having to wade through crap that shouldn't even be there.

THEN GET A NEWS-READER THAT LETS YOU SKIP PAST IT EASILY.  If so many
people weren't still using medieval software, we wouldn't have to put up
with this goddamn subdivision of the group into all these goddamn
subgroups.

> Perhaps people haven't been wearing their helmets and have had a few too many
> bangs on the head?

Or perhaps some people just don't have hierarchical mentalities, and don't
feel like going "Hmm, this is about biking, but aha, *what aspect of
biking*?" every time they post.  Gee, I write something about helmets, but
if it's about helmet wearing it has to go in .soc, while if it's about
helmet design it has to be .tech, or should it be .misc, and what if it's
about both?

Maybe I don't give a big fat rat's ass whether you hate "wading through
crap that shouldn't even be there."

> WISE UP!!! And use the system as it's inteneded, or don't use it at all! It is
> not difficult!

Wise up yourself, and don't be such a fascist about it.

We should have yet another goddamn subgroup for people to scold & rant &
rave & bitch about improper use of the goddamn subgroups.

Phooey.  Let's all ride our goddamn bikes more.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:00:49 GMT

>Michael F. Kamprath  writes:
>> In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
>> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>> >
>> >Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.

For the definitive answer to this question, see Dave Barry's latest 
column in your local paper (9/13/92) or clari.feature.dave_barry.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:45:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article 11592@tms390.micro.ti.com, bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff) writes:
> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
> >In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
> >jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
> >>
> >>Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
> 
> >Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.
> 
> Also, if you pull up to the line and look around and see a bunch
> of guys with their legs shaved, and you don't, you may psyche yourself 
> out of contention.

Nah, I just laugh to myself as I drop them on the first hill :).  Oh!
Sorry!  I guess I'm not showing proper respect for the Traditions of
Cycling.  40 lashes with a rusty brake cable!

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:15:05 GMT

Michael F. Kamprath  writes:
> In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
> >
> >Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
> >
> >
> 
> Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.

Ostensibly it is to make massages easier, and it does somewhat, but 98% of
the reason is for looks.  Look at any bike catalog and you'll see that most
of the models have shaved legs.  It looks neat and clean plus it shows off
the muscles.  It's the same reason why bodybuilders shave.

Just a word of warning to hairy-legged men who want to do it: It's a real
pain.  I do it just because I like to look like a 100%, true-blue, genuine
cyclist (I make no pretenses :) ), and it does help in massages (self-mas-
sages, unfortunately :) ) a little bit.  However, come cool weather, I'm
letting it grow back first thing.  Shaving takes a long time unless one
does a daily quickie with an electric razor, but most of all, the thighs
don't like it.  The hairs really rebel, and my next thought is that I will
use Nair.  If anyone is still planning to shave, it is important to do the
thighs because they typically need the massage the most.

Kurt R. Krueger
kkrueger@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: handlebar taping technique
Summary: best technique for cloth?
Keywords: handlebar, tape, cloth
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:58:47 GMT


Here is a question that is so basic, yet I can't seem to come up
with a good answer from friends here.

When taping a handlebar with the adhesive cotton type of tape, 
(assuming taping from bar ends to center), what the devil is the
best way to end the tape job?

I used to (in the years past) rely on Benotto plastic tape, and 
tape from the center to the ends, tucking the free end of tape in
the handlebar end.  I have been advised that cotton tape should be
wrapped from the ends toward the center to avoid rolling the edges
of the tape with use.  

Here are some friends suggestions:
1.  use a bit of contact cement on the end of the tape, and cover
    with a bit of plastic tape, like is done with padded tapes these
    days.

2.  whip the center section of the handlebar at the end of the tape
    like you would do to keep rope from unraveling. (whipping refers
    to wrapping the end of a rope with thin cord, not to alternative
    forms of sexual activity)

3.  end the wrapping of cotton tape on the underside of the handle
    bar and then, using needle and nylon thread, sew the end to
    the previous layer of cotton tape.

What, if any, is the general consensus on this matter?

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott)
Subject: Re: zefal mini hp
Summary: Blackburn mini-pump seems to be just peachy
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:38:31 GMT


Regarding the discussion of trouble with Mt. Zefal mini-pumps:
 
I have both a Blackburn mini-pump (configured for the presta valves on
my commuter/cross bike with 700C wheels) and a 24 inch Blackburn for my
MTB with schraders.  I find that I have little trouble getting the 700x35
tires up to 75psi (reasonable riding pressure for my tires) with the mini-pump.
The 24 inch modem pumps up to any pressure I desire on the MTB tires, and it
doesn't take all that long, either.
 
Both pumps are quite a bit more sturdily constructed than the similar Zefal
models, IMO, yet weigh in similarly.  I've heard of others being very
dissatisfied with both the pumping capacity and the construction of the
current model Zefals.  I still have an old 24 inch aluminum barrel Zefal-HP
that functions at least as well as anything out today, but the new ones
left me unimpressed.
 
 
Just my 2 cents.
Rob

-- 
                    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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            Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego
    Internet: zeke@mpl.ucsd.edu  Cserve: 76176,637  Voice: (619)534-5503
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:31:59 GMT

In article <v1vnkdd.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <casseres-100992135455@missmolly.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>>
>>Driving on the wrong side (against traffic) is extremely dangerous and one
>>of the main causes of car/bike accidents.  It has nothing to do with the
>>energy difference due to greater closing speed; it has to do with being
>>seen by drivers.
>
>[pointless flames deleted] 
>

Well, I think that the closing speed can be a factor, although being seen and
predictable is definitely a big part of the equation.  Then there is the other
related aspect, and that is oncoming bike traffic.  I almost hit some idiot
the other day who was coming at me.  I had to slow down, try to figure out if
she was going to treat me as bike traffic and try to pass on my left, or treat
me as car traffic and try to pass on my right.  I finally swung way out into the
lane just to avoid whatever she did.  Man, did it piss me off.  If it would have
happened at the right crest of a hill, she'd probably still be picking up her
unhelmeted teeth.  




-- 
Bob Brand
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Rice as a Carbohydrate source
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:35:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

mahesh@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Mahesh Neelakanta) writes:


> I was talking with a friend about general carbohydrate source (i.e. not
>for carbo-loading). My staple is generic white rice but what about other 
>types of rice: i.e:

> 1) Those 10-minute rice packets
> 2) Brown Rice
> 3) Wild Rice
> 4) Enriched rice that they sell at publix

>Is any one better than the others in carbohydrate content? 

Actually the more processed the rice (e.g., instant white rice) will
have more carbohydrates by weight than less processed (e.g., brown
rice), which come with other extras, e.g., extra vitamins, fibre (which
is strictly speaking also carbohydrates), etc.  An exception to this is 
converted rice, which while more processed than regular white rice has 
more vitamins (this I believe is what is refered to as enriched rice).  
Wild rice isn't actually a rice at all and whatever its carbohydrate
content it is so expensive I can't see it as a regular source of
carbohydrate.

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott)
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Summary: Clean skin with road rash easier to treat medically
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:46:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.183613.9393@tamsun.tamu.edu>, glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr) writes:
> In article <19520oINN9mo@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
> >So treating road rash is main reason? How often do racers crash? :-(
> >It seems odd that people would go through daily/weekly sessions of
> >irritation (leg shavings) to avoid a little less discomfort as a result
> >of an event we all try to avoid. What happens if you go a whole season
> >of shaving without a crash? :-)
> 
> ...
> 
> What in the world is wrong with clipping the hair around a wound 
> before applying an adhesive bandage?  I doubt that there is an emergency
> room or clinic in the country that doesn't have such a clipper.
> 

From a medical standpoint, it is far better to be working with a clean
(non-furry) skin surface when immediately treating and then recovering from
road rash.  In the event of an abrasion that requires treatment by a doctor,
it is likely that the wound will get scrubbed (vigorously) to clean it out, 
and that would likely be less painful if there isn't much hair around.  Even 
if a doctor's care isn't required, it is advisable to do a good job of 
cleaning the wound, and hair can make that job more difficult.  Also, hair in 
a wound (if it wasn't all scraped off in the crash) can be a source of 
infection as well as a maintenance problem regarding tape placement and 
removal during the healing process.

(caveat: I am not a physician, but have had some advanced emergency medical 
training.  My answer above is based on information received during my training.)



Rob "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on television!"
-- 
                    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Rob Scott, System Administrator for the Marine Physical Laboratory
            Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego
    Internet: zeke@mpl.ucsd.edu  Cserve: 76176,637  Voice: (619)534-5503
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: New Snell Standard?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:53:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

Recently it was brought to my attention that there is a newish Snell helmet
standard, indicated by a blue "Snell 92" sticker inside the helmet instead
of the older green "Snell 90" sticker that my helmet has.

Does anyone know how much difference there is between the two standards? 
I'm wondering whether it's significant enough to warrant replacing my
"perfectly good" Bell Quest.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:04:08 GMT

In <LOTTO.92Sep6185200@math.math.berkeley.edu> lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto) writes:

>I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
>after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
>Recommendations?

>Thanks.
>--
>-B. A. Lotto
>Department of Mathematics/Lake Forest College/Lake Forest IL 60045
>708-735-5159
>lotto@math.berkeley.edu  (Yeah, you read that right!)

I'm having the same problem. I tried to find thicker foam handle bar covers
but no luck, so I got a short piece of sheepskin that had been sewn into a
tube (used for padding one's seatbelt (?)) cut it and put a piece on each
grip over the foam padding.

I still have the problem of my hands going numb, but at least I can be on
the bike a little while longer. 

Never had the problem with the old handlebars on my 1962 3-speed, but this
T-bar on my mountain bike is just horrid (control is really difficult - I'd
like to strangle the dude who thought up that design! - it's really hard
on one's back to lean forward like that. :< )

I could ride for HOURS on my old bike, no hand OR back problems. But not
this thing...*sniff*

Crystal
  ;>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mbothe@netcom.com (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 16:47:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto) writes:

>I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
>after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
>Recommendations?

>Thanks.
>--
>-B. A. Lotto
>Department of Mathematics/Lake Forest College/Lake Forest IL 60045
>708-735-5159
>lotto@math.berkeley.edu  (Yeah, you read that right!)

I'd like to know too, both my hands go numb as well. However my gloves
aren't exactly cheap. Maybe it has something to do with handle bar
position?

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: scott@neuro-dev.neuro (Stiving Stiving)
Subject: Bicycle Pictures
Reply-To: scott@neuro-dev.neuro
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:11:36 GMT

I was wondering if anyone know's where I may be able to get some pictures of bicycles over the net?  I am especially interested in tandoms and recumbents.  I can handle pictures in almost any format (i.e. GIF, JPEG, TIFF, PostScript, X11 Bitmap).

Thanks in advance,
Scott
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From: c9223585@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE PERSISTANT DEVIL)
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.183952.17519@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
> (Sorry if this is the wrong place, but just say where and I'll move it there.)
> 
> How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains with 2.0"
> tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front tire to
> go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off the
> power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk, but that
> defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.
> 
> NJC

The rear tyre "sqiggle" suggests to me that the rear tyre pressure is TO low,
But don't take my word for it, I can't afford the time (maintanence) or money
(replacing worn parts) to ride in sand. 
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.175214.24079@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:

    He was riding in a pace line, at the front, when a nyc pigeon hit him
   in the head and got its beak stuck in the air intake of his giro helmet.

NYC pigeons are known to be sociable animals, but this is rediculous!

    I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
   anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
   had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
   simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
   or her helmet.

The squirrels near me seem to have descended from their Japanese counterparts
because they've got documentable kamikaze tendencies. Yesterday while riding
I nearly hit one. The hell of it was that it was ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
ROAD and crossed two lanes to get in front of me. As a matter of fact, it
came *so* close, I'm not sure if it ran through my front spokes. If it did,
then it's a definite 32 spoker. That'd make it kinda skinny. Past experience
has shown that this dare-devil stunt is only workable with 28 spokes.

8-)
--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: switching from side-by-side to single file
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:42:15 GMT

What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
need to move back to single file?

My situation is typically a recreational ride with one other person
(no drafting) on country roads with practically no traffic. When the
need to move to single file arises, I thought the person on the
shoulder should speed up, and the person in traffic should move behind
the person on the shoulder.

Thanks,
_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio
From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: NiCads in the Cateye Halogen Headlamp?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:37:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

>         I'd like to increase the versatility and especially the thrift
> of the Cateye HL500 Halogen Headlamp by using rechargeable NiCad "C"
> cells in place of standard C cells.  As I alredy own two HL500's, this
> would be a very inexpensive was to upgrade to a rechargeable system.

I use NiCads with one of my lighting systems (a "NiceLight" on the
front, and a Cateye Halogen rear light) and they work just great.  As
long as you don't overcharge them, they'll last a long time.  I've been
using the same batteries for, lessee, about 4 years now.  My other
(gonzo) lighting system uses two 10 AH lead acid batteries to power an
automobile headlamp.  It is very bright, but very heavy.

Also, there are good NiCads and poor NiCads.  Some of the "consumer" C
and D cells are actually just larger wrappers around a sub-C sized
battery.  You can tell by the weight.  When you pick up a "real" D sized
NiCad, you'll know it.  The consumer ones tend to be very light because
they are mostly empty space.

  - steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Definition of a "hybrid" bike ???
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:30:27 GMT

In article <truesdel-090992160850@cider.ics.uci.edu>, truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:
> I may get flamed for this, but my (limited) experience keeps showing me
> that the most hard-core mountain bike does relatively better on the
> pavement than the best of the hybrids do in the dirt.

Not a flame, but a data point:  on a ride with six riders of varying
but approximately equal ability (one woman -- me, everyone a cycling
enthusiast but no racers or long-haul tourers), on a dirt/4WD road
(not singletrack, not excessively nasty) with significant uphill,
the two hybrids routinely outdistanced the four mountain bikes.
One hybrid was mine.  The other hybrid rider was about average in
weight compared to the mountain bike riders.

In all fairness, I should point out that on the downhill, all the
bikes were faster than the single hybrid with drop bars (mine.)

I will agree that mountain bikes are better than hybrids on singletrack.
I disagree that they are better on dirt roads.  It all depends on
where you want to ride.

-- 
/\                Ilana Stern DoD#009  ilana@ncar.ucar.edu 
  \_][ <--NCAR       Colorado...is totally rectangular.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,ca.general,ba.general
From: beldar@MicroUnity.Com (Gardner Cohen)
Subject: Bicycle stolen: Santa Cruz County, CA
Reply-To: beldar@MicroUnity.com
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:45:36


[ note ca distribution; it's not my fault if this ends up in Europe ]

I lost a bicycle (among other things) in a car breakin at the Santa
Cruz County Fairgrounds on Friday, September 5.

I'd appreciate it if anyone who sees the bicycle described below would
give me a call at 408-257-5867.

54cm 1990 Miyata 1000 XLT touring bicycle, gold colored, serial #RV
40103, with blue cannondale handlebar bag and seat tool bag.  It has a
cateye ATC computer, an avocet computer mount (they dropped and left
my avocet 50 behind), shimano SPD pedals, a black zefal hpx pump, and
two grey zefal water bottle cages.

Also stolen were a bell quest helmet, shimano pd 50 shoes, a motorola
handheld cellular phone, a wetsuit, and several pairs of dirty
underwear.
--
Gardner Cohen / beldar@microunity.com / 408-734-8100
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