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From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Problem with butterflies.....
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:29:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep29.133032.9581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley) writes:

>My best advice is "have fun!"  My Newfoundland, Sophie, did
>HORRIBLY at her first obedience trial, ...

>You could hear the moans from people around the ring who probably
>felt embarassed for me.  At the end of the heel off leash she was
>so far away from me (mind you, "I" never missed a step and did
>just what the judge said to do!), that I looked at her, she looked
>at me and I said "Would you like to join me, dear?" People went hysterical!
>And of course she trotted over with tail held high!!

>For the recall, I called her once (nothing) twice (nothing) and then
>got on my knees, spread my arms and said "Sophie, PLEASE come!"  THEN
>of course she trotted right to me, amidst a thunder of applause.

Heeheehee...Reminds me of a Dobe I saw a couple of years ago.  Now, this
was just a small match, and he was only in Pre-Novice, but still...It
was a hot, sunny day, and I guess he was really feeling the heat, what
with that black coat.  So, when it came time for the long down, he lasted
maybe a minute before sprawling out on his side.  Another minute or so,
and he stre-e-e-etched and rolled over on his back into the classic "dead
dog" position, with all 4 paws in the air.  Pretty soon, he rolled over
and stretched out on the other side...

Of course, his owner was getting more and more agitated every time he
changed position.  By the time it was over, she was talking about giving
him away...at least, till I tried to take her up on it.  (Aside from
being a gorgeous dog, with excellent bloodlines, who had finished first
just a couple of weeks before at a Dobe Specialty, he was born the same
day as Magnum.  I would have taken him in a second!)  Some people just
have no sense of humor! :-)

>NOW, don't get nervous after reading this post!  BUT, do try to keep
>a smile on your face and not take it so seriously that you don't enjoy
>yourself.  It's fun, even when they screw up!

That's probably the best advice I've heard in ages.  I used to show
horses, till winning got to be too important...then it was time to quit.
Sure, we all want to get that first place, or that perfect score (and
there's nothing wrong with that)...but if we can't enjoy the *doing* in
addition to the winning, what's the point?

Roberta
...And the DoberGoofs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:06:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct6.180639.26236
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <23813@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
>
>
>Jon Hrueger writes:
>>What happened to unwanted dogs before there were shelters?
>
>Well, there were fewer of them, because the owners kept them longer.
>
>Those that were strays, drop-offs, wandered around until somebody
>took them in, or until they got run over.  Have you noticed that
>you almost never see a run-over dog nowadays?  Lots of raccoons,
>no dogs.
>
You obviously haven't driven the back roads of North Carolina during
deer hunting season.  Many deer hunters there do not have much regard
for their dogs and factor in losing dogs in how many they have each year
for hunting purposes.  There are plenty of dead dogs on the side of
the road there.  

I'm not saying all deer hunters in North Carolina are like this, but
there sure are plenty of them where my parents live.  Many of the
private hunt clubs have undertaken an "education" program aimed at
these hunters at their own expense. 

>Strays are pretty uncommon nowadays.  I've taken a few in and
>trained them, to find them homes.  It's very easy, you should try it.
>
Again, very untrue in many rural areas where the philosophy of pet
ownership can be very different than expressed on the net.  It's
common for a whole pack of strays to show up at my parents house
looking for food of any type.  

Something tells me you haven't really considered all areas of the
country when forming your opinions.

schalene
From: fritzz@bud.megatek.uucp (Friedrich Knauss)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: megatek!fritzz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1992Sep29.194058.11269@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>[strangers have problems iding PWC]
>
>No one has EVER asked me if she was a mix, though, the question is always
>"what kind of dog is that?".  She must just exude class....  ;-)

Hmmm, that's the same question I get too, except that Ryfo _is_ a
mutt. This question comes from people in my obedience clubs who
show dogs as well, sao it can't be ignorance. I guess it must
be that class exuding thing...

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From: dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: British Medical J. -- Dogs that bite
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:34:52 GMT


I view of the recent discussion on loose dogs etc., the following
article should interest a lot of people:

	P.C. Shewell and J.D. Nancarrow: "Dogs that bite," British
	Medical Journal 1991, 6816:1512-13.

The article contains statistics of cases treated at West Midland
Regional Plastic and Jaw Surgery Unit, Wordsley Hospital, during the
period 1982-1989.

I haven't read the original article, only a review, so I should not
comment much on it.  It is worth mentioning that the most common
situation that causes dogs to bite is a child coming to visit a family
with dogs, the child immediately approaching the dog and hugging it.

It is also worth noting that Dobermanns adn Rottweilers only caused 7%
of all cases.

			-- Dag
From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:23:10 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching

In article <1992Sep30.180736.2010@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca> steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca writes:
>>>   :-)
>> You'll hjave to admit, an Akita isn't as common as some dogs.  My GOLDEN
>> RETRIEVER gets that very often when we are at the vet.  He's a nice golden,
>> very close to his conformation championship, but because he has such a big
>> head people often think that he is a mix between something and a St. Bernard!
>> 
>> I know how you feel!  I usually nicely say, "He's a purebred SHOW golden
>> retriever."  Don't want them to think he's just a bad specimen of the breed!
>> 
>> Kim
>
>I, too, have a golden.  You'd be surprised at the number of people that ask if
>she's a Lab.


My Golden also has a big head, which makes him beautiful.
But it also causes [offten stupid] questions from other people.
My standard answer is: "That's because he is smarter!"  
... (I wish he was!)   :-)

Best regards.
Victor
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: HELP! New dog barks when alone
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:15:17 GMT

Yes, you ARE doing the right thing by letting him bark.  I got a dog
from a shelter a couple of months ago, and he used to bark for a good
1/2 hour after I would leave him.  I think that it just took him 
some time to realize that I was going to come back, and once he
realized that, he stopped barking.  I think a lot of shelter dogs
do this because they have a real problem with separation anxiety-
who knows if the last owner they had left them?  They can't tell us,
so all we can do is try and reassure them that we will return home.

I've said it before and I'll say it again in case you missed it before.
There is a book out entitiled "second-hand dog:  how to turn yours into
a first-rate pet" and it is EXCELLENT.  As far as I know, it is the 
only book out on the market that deals specifically with owning a 
shelter dog.  It retails for about $5.  Some animal shelters sell this
book and it also may be available at your local library.  I would
strongly recommend that you read it, it helped me out a lot with my dog.
(Now if I could just get him to like cats :-)


-- 

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From: ciacovel@telesciences.com (Chris D Iacovelli)
Subject: AKC Papers
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:28:38 GMT

I committed the sin of buying a Boston Terrier from a pet shop. Before I
get flamed, yes he was overpriced, yes I did not see the breeding parents to
determine the temperment, and yes I know I probably have supported a
puppy mill, BUT, he is so cute and affectionate that when I looked at him all
of my defenses and sensibilities crumbled.

When I purchased him from the pet store, I was told that they would apply for
his papers. Not being a previous pedigree owner, I was wondering what these
papers will represent? Furthermore, how do I know that said papers are
official?

Please email or post as I often read this newsgroup.

AdTHANKSvance,
C. Iacovelli
ciacovel@telesciences.com
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:16:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

> My Norwegian Elkhound, Wotan, who is 1  1/2 years old is totally stiff since
> 24 hours.  He cannot get up nor get down alone.

That happened to my Samoyed once. He had a little diarea the previous evening.
In the morning he was very stiff and would move very slowly. I had to
carry him downstair because he coudn't climb down.
We took him to the vet who X-ray him. His intestine (or was it the colon I
forgot) was twice the normal size. They kept him overnight and gave him
injection of electrolyte as he started to lose a lot of liquid.

After a good scare and $200 lighter Butthead (ooops, I ment Miko) is back 
to his usual self.

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves (Was: loose dogs)
From: news@nic.csu.net
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:08:32 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 02:08:28 GMT

Just a bit of gossip I heard on the Mals and Sibs vocal sounds which
might be of interest.  Apparently the voice of "Chewbacca" the Wookie in
"Star Wars" was a synthesized recording of Mal and Sib voices.  Anyone
know anything about this?

Stacey
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Selective hearing VS playing dumb?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:12:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <21005@drutx.ATT.COM>, mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:

(Good stuff deleted)
 
> Conan is now five years old and has mellowed somewhat, but that stubborn
> northern breed still shines through.  Nowadays, Conan just "forgets" commands 
> like "lay down".  Each time I have given him consistent corrections and force 
> him into the action.  I usually give the command and then follow up.  In 
> recalls, he will start to come and then dawdle.  If I start walking towards him
> to correct him, he will rush right towards me (to avoid the correction -- see
> he *knows* he's going to get corrected if I have to get him, but I can't 
> correct him for coming to me.  But he sure as hell won't get praised for such
> a sloppy recall).
> 
> Although I make a lot of jokes about Conan being the canine with no brain, I
> sometimes thinks he's very smart and *very* stubborn.  How else could I
> have taught him to be command leader?
> 
> BTW, his latest trick is in the team.  When he doesn't feel like pulling me 
> uphill, he'll dawdle.  I'll jump off the runners to correct him.  He'll speed
> up.  I'm rushing after the sled.  Conan laughs. 

(More good stuff deleted)
 
> Sky Warrior


I've always had sporting breeds, which I haven't found to be stubborn this way;
they've been pretty attentive, just easily distracted ("I'd love to stay in
this sit, but that squirrel's getting away!!!", "I'd love to hold this stack,
but the judge is coming and I gotta greet him!!!, etc....)

So anyway, once again I'm plugging Susan Conant's mysteries, in which the
heroine not only solves murders, she tries to put obedience titles on her
Malamutes.  I had no idea Northern breeds were so stubborn and hard to train
until I started reading these books in which people with Goldens, Poodles, etc	
are astonished by someone even trying to put a CDX on a Mal.  The antics of the
dogs are pretty funny!  And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
next show!


Holly
From: smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: AKC Papers
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:46:08 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1992Oct1.181252.1073@informix.com> davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.123238.11758@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> 
>	smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson) writes:
>>
>>First, a "pedigreed" dog simply means a dog with parents. It has nothing to 
>>do with being purebred or mixed breed, though people often think it does.
>
>Your second sentence is accurate, but your first one is not.
>
>A "pedigreed" dog not only has parents, but there
>is a record (i.e. you know) of exactly who these parents are. 

I suppose I should have said "every dog has a pedigree,"  you just might
not know what the pedigree is. If you know the pedigree, then it could be 
said to be a "pedigreed dog." 


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From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:21:31 GMT

On a trip from NJ to Virginia with Sophie, our
black Newfoundland, we decided to take the Cape May
Ferry.  EVERYONE on the boat had to pet Sophie
and most asked what breed she was.

One couple walked by.  The guy said to his friend
"Gee, is that a St. Bernard or a Newfoundland?"
His friend said "Oh, that's a St. Bernard - I KNOW
what a Newfoundland looks like....."

Sophie was QUITE depressed....

(I don't think there really is a black St. B., is there?? :-)


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Subject: Re: I need info on breeds
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:30:39 GMT

I forgot to mention in my previous article, that every shelter should
have the Gaines dog chart hanging on the wall.  It only costs $1.50 for
a folded copy or $2.50 for a rolled copy (no creases).
Order from - Gaines Dog Chart
		PO Box 8177
		Kankakee, Ill 60902

This chart has drawings of 133 different AKC-recognized breeds.  It is a
good, CHEAP starting point in learning how to recognize various breeds.
From: ctobias@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog Care while on Vacation
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:50:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: violet.1992Sep30.125045.1
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: ctobias

I have decided to leave my dog at home this year while I go on vacation, and
pay someone to come in and feed him.  He had a bad time at the kennel last
year.

Generally, he is a very quiet dog.  Rarely barks.  But he is used to sleeping
beside my bed and will have to spend the 8 days outside at night (it's Tucson,
still 100 degrees).  I'm wondering if he might start barking or whining or some
new thing to bother the neighbors.  He will get twice daily visit for
feeding walking and some company.  He's 3 yrs old. I epxect he will be lonely,
but that it's better than the kennel was for him.

Anyone have any idea what I might expect to happen?

Cindy
cltobias@ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Tracking
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:10:37 GMT

JB>I've recently moved from Louisiana to Austin Texas and I've shyed away from
JB>tracking because I have a green dog that's never tracked before... how do I
JB>use food to motivate it when there's a fire ant problem?  By the time the do
JB>gets to the treats, fire ants are all over it.  If you're going to tell me t
JB>use a drag, what do I put in it?
>

Sometime people up here in Michigan put the bait in a container just so
it's less "visible" (smellable??).  You might teach your dog that there
are treats in the container before you begin tracking, and then use the
containers along the track.  Yoghurt containers, maybe.  Some people use
plastic film cans, but I'd be concerned about what chemicals were in there.
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 30 SEP 92 13:50:48 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) wrote:

>Part of my dogs' job is to bark if anything weird is going on (like 
>people in the yard, attempts at the door, etc.). Once they have 
>informed me, doing something about it is my job. 
> 
>Now if I could only set there sensitivity a little lower. ("Hey!! Hey
>hey!! Hey Laura, there's some kids on their way to school! Laura, do
>something! Hey!!)

	Or howzabout our personal favorite "woof woof the coat rack 
fell over at 3 AM, woof" Or "BArk bark that big chair has been moved...
do something!!"
oh brother :-)
Bev 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Pets and Kids
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:48:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.204203.7975@tfs.com> David Paigen, paigen@tfs.com
writes:
>My point is, if your dog will come into contact with small children,
>train the dog to suffer the abuse that a child is likely to heap upon
>it.

Yes, but don't then let it be open season on the dog because it is
trained to take the abuse.  My dogs love ice cream and so I trained them
to sit and wait for the ice cream to come to them, otherwise they would
have been mugging Mr Whippy and all the children.  Most children are so
impressed that this dog will come up and sit in front of them and wait to
be offered the ice cream that the dog scores heaps of ice cream.  I agree
that you should anticipate what dangers exist to children from your dog
and try to work out suitable solutions.  I could have tried to get my dog
to hate ice cream but I think that I would have been like trying to push
s**t up hill, instead I modified my dogs behaviour to what is less
dangerous or scarey to children.  Dog's happy, kid's happy, I'm happy.

Stacey
From: Vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: adoptions
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 1 Oct 1992 03:34:52 GMT
Organization: WSSG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tmf2mac20.berkeley.edu


Well, I'm interested in getting a dog and if these posts are legitimate
then please let me know. I'm looking for two dogs right now. Either a
bulldog or pug for my roomate and a golden labrador or sharpei. If anyone
knows or has one of these dogs please let me know. Call 510-841-4942.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Motivational Methods
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:34:38 GMT

It's sad to see the amount of folk wisdom that floats around on this.
For many people it appears that 50 years of EAB simply didn't happen.

And yet they'd never settle for the medical technology of their
grandparents' day.  They're well aware that over the last 50 years
we've learned something about how to cure disease.  But when it comes
to behavior, they pass around what was believed 50 years ago.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:03:36 GMT

In article <BvB551.FMr@news.udel.edu>, thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
|> I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
|> because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
|> she is just very independent.  So who is right?
|> 
|> Thuy-An

Your dog is not stupid.  Siberians are very stubborn.  You should take her to 
an obedience class by a reputable trainer for this problem.  (This *is* a 
problem).

Also, I would recommend reading "People, Pooches, and Problems" by Job Michael
Evans.  (You can get this at a large Pet Food seller such as Pets Mart or
have a bookstore order you a copy).

Good Luck!

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From: lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:45:50 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

>
>Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
>name for my kennel???? :-)
>
>-- 
>============================================================
>Stephen R. Lee                 | 
>OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
>E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.

Hummmmmmmmmm...I think my Aniways Dan-Sasha would be a good
addition to you racers....not only does she NEED to lead, she
makes the ooooooooWWWWoooooooooooo sound whenever I go out the 
front door to take out the trash. What a character.

And here we had a siberian for 12 years and we were led to believe
that they were not barkers. Sasha was changed our opinion. She 
not only howls, she also is VERY talkative.

Lorelei Horner                   UUNET Operator
lorelei@uunet.uu.net		 uunet!lorelei
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Move the Pet Pop. debate?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I don't want to be rude or anything, but I'm just wondering if maybe
the Pet Population Legislation debate as it now stands could be moved
to private email?  There seem only now to be 2 people involved in the
debate, and the volume of their postings is kind of high, and it's 
making it harder for me to get through the r.p.d postings on my system.

Thanks,
Holly
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:01:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23817
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Kruegar writes:
>> another concept, that having a ``humane'' society sanctions
>> the disposable dog, it's institutionalized.  That it affects our
>Gosh, I don't want to interrupt your conspiracy theorizing or
>anything, and I'm sure we're all interested in your ideas about

It's not a conspiracy, for heaven's sake.  The humane society is an
institution, and has normal institutional instincts.

Once you build any system, it does whatever it goddam well pleases.

It grows by encroaching.

People working in the system do not do what the system says they are doing.

``Things have changed: kindness is no longer something that
belongs to people, only to lords or to societies.''

Hannah Arendt points out that killing machines rely entirely
on the normality of jobholders and family men, the normality of decencies,
care for the security of one's family and compassion for animals.

Of course the most famous head of a humane society was Herman Goering,
of the Tierschutzverein in 1933.