HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:13:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.121129.3444@kub.nl> LEE@KUB.NL (W. Lee) writes:
>
>
>I think he's a good guy, cause he's (I think) the first governor who dares to
>stand up to Peking. >
>Bis spater.
>

Are you really ****** to believe that it was his idea, or just pretend to?
From: s907271@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Kwan Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: help
Summary: GB <=> BIG5 converter
Keywords: GB <=> BIG5 converter
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:19:50 GMT


Hi,
   Can anyone tell me whether there is a S/W which can convert GB to BIG5,
or vice-versa?

Thanks in advance.

Kwan Lai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lhf@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Leung Ho-Fung)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Keywords: dogs
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:14:26 GMT


tlm@chico.doc.ic.ac.uk (Te Lung Man) writes:

> Good Suggestion. It is getting really cold in Britain. But unfortunately
> I don't think there is a restaurant that sells dog meat. Does anybody
> know ?
> 

yhmok@luke.mti.sgi.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok) writes:

>	Good stuff, where can I get them in Califonia?

Hey you two dog-meat lovers, why don't we suggest that canned dog-meat should
be exported to other parts of the world.  This would save you a lot of trouble.

:-D
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daisuke Kitamura)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Summary: Good.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:56:01 GMT

	No doubt about it he's doing what is right. Hong kong needs a strong
voice that is willing to stand up to Beijing. When China spoke out against
Pattern and his reforms, they said that they would even go against the fifty
years of democracy that they promised. As Martin Lee ( of Legco or Exco?)
stated, if China is going to do that, how can other countries possibly trust
them about their other promises? 
	I believe as one earlier netter said, it is to China's benefit to
leave Hong Kong alone. China is not exactly noted as a country loaded with
foreign reserves, Hong Kong if left alone, can generate the foreign currency
that China so desperately wants. 
	I don't mean to insult anyone but, I think the guys in Beijing a
merely a bunch of fucking idiots who have their Communist pride and ego at an
altitude so high that they're suffering oxygen debt!

Dai

p.s. What do you think would have happened if Sir Edward Youde did not die
while serving his duties as Govenor? I remember when he died, alot of people
where in mourning. People felt that he was a govenor who stood up for them
unlike Lord David Wilson who many felt was a coward towards Beijing.
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:30:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <Nov22.232710.53797@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
>In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu>, ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>|> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
>|> ?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>|> >  
>|> >        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>|> >         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>|> > champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>|> > believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>|> > two women. This is Grabage."
>|> >  
>|> > So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>|> > No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>|> > paradise. 
>|> >  
>|> > What you guys think ?
>|> That's a very sensitive issue.
>|> I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
>|> atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
>|> work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
>|> just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
>|> go pray every Friday afternoon.
>
>We have nothing to do with her religion or her personal beliefs.
>She present herself as a politician and she is only accountable
>for that matter only in public.  I mentioned this thing before that 
>in today's politics there is no room for religion or have no special 
>provisions for an orphan child.  If anyone wants to play it then play 
>it with rules.
>
>-- 
>Denying something is so easy that it leaves no burden on your head!
>*********************************************************************
>
>SOHBAN SHAHID                
>Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
>
>*********************************************************************

If she were an ordinary woman then we would have no right to 
raise the issue of her  belief.
But she is one of the candidate for the prime minister ship so 
it is very important to know her iman. 

The western world is right now is far ahead of us because 
they dont care about personal beliefs of ordinary persons
but they do care about the character of their leaders.

By the way in the law of Pakisatn it is written that non muslim
cannot be the president or prime minister of Pakistan. Why ?
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:18:43 GMT
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>Um, Yasmin, how many ways can you interpret the following:

>    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
>    WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
>    words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
>    and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
>    astray.

From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong), the Prophet was as
human as anyone else when he was not receiving revelations from God.
You have not quoted the verse, so I am assuming this is not from the
Quran.  Is this statement considered as infallible as the Quran?

-- Milind Saraph
From: x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:50:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>
>> Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
>>police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
>>   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
>>were attacked and latthi-charged. 
>>  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
>>western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
>>(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
>>  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
>>dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
>>Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
>>her out and arrested her.
>>  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
>>and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.
>>
>>   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Omer.........
> 
> 
> I agree that Nawaz should not have done that and I am not a fan of
> Nawaz either, but frankly speaking, it looks like the country is 
> running better in the hands of Nawaz in comparison to what Benazir did.
> Other than that I am sure that Nawaz had no idea that the police is going
> to pull Benazir out of her Jeep otherwise he would have told the police to
> leave her dupatta on her head and kindly requested to get herself arrested.
> NOT.
> 
> 

It's obvious that army will be back in less than one year.
But I don't know, wheather that will be better for the country 
or not. Any comment on the current Pakistan situation.


	--Shakir




Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:44:51 -0500 
From: Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
	<1992Nov21.142040.15519@bernina.ethz.ch>

>The trajedy of Pakistan is that it really doesn't matter who is in the seat
>od power. They are all corrupt and care little for the country. Bhutto's
>couple of years in power was noted for her beloved husbands naked theft
>and embezzlement of anything that was worth more than afew ruppees. Nawaz
>Sharif is no better. Democracy is a farce. That leaves the army --- but
>that is trouble in its own ways.
> 
>All this is punishment from Allah for not following proper Islamic
>principles. The first step towards recovery would be for all politicains
>to announce the bannishment of the Mullah from any form of politics ..
>especially Jamat-e-Islami. We may have a chance then.
 
Even though banning the jamaat would be undemocratic but it still is the
best idea

Asad
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The Finality of Allah's Apostle (SAW)
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:17:50 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA



	The Finality of Allah's Apostle (SAW).


	Abu Haraira report Allah's Messenger (SAW) as saying:
	The similitude of mine and that of the Apostles
	before me is that of a person who built a house
	quite imposing and bueatiful, but for one
	brick in one of its corners.   People would
	go around it, appreciating the building, but
	saying: Why has the brick not been fixed here?  He
	said:  I am that brick and I am the last of the 
	Apostles.

		Sahih Muslim.

--
31. Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you
and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL

32. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then
surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

The Holy Quran: The Family of Imran.

--

May Allah (swt) guide us. Amin.

-Rukhsana Merchant
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
Subject: How to view a GIF file ... retry for post
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:09:12 GMT


Following is the post I referred to in my previous post, did not get posted
last time. Sorry for inconvenience (if any).

In article <1992Nov19.185500.15819@ntmtv> ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed) writes:
>
>I use a Sun and so asked my System Administrator just a minute
>back.
>He says that you need to be Running X to view GIF files, and also
>that there is a public domain utility 'pbm' that would let you view
>these files on a sun.
>I cant find pbm , and so am hoping that there is some one out
>there who can help.
>
>Syed Ahmed.

(I'm not reading all the posts, just scan for the PNXXXX files, send any
 enquiries/comments directly to me)

To view these files, first thing you have to do is to change the file back 
into the binary format to get the file in GIF (Graphic Interchange Format).
This is done by using a program called 'uudecode' on unix (I also have a 
msdos version of this program, but do not remember exactly where I got it from,
most probably from one of the simtell mirror sites ... namely

wuarchive.wustl.edu

One you have run this program on the file extracted from the newsgroup, you 
will get a file called PNXXXX.GIF 

This file can be viewed on any computer system (since it has a standard format
... GIF) provided you have a program to view a GIF file for that particular 
system.

On  the sun station, I use 'xloadimage' or 'xv' while in one of the GUI (Graphic
User Interface) environments ... sunwindows, openwindows, x11, etc.

On my msdos pc, I use a program called CompuShow (cshow) to view these files
(and lots of others ;-)  ) This program is also shareware and is available on
the ftp sites (see above).

I hope this info is enough for all those who have been wondering how to view
these files. Haven fun .... (fun out of Pakistani News....????)

Kamran Aftab

BTW, don't be confused by the header, I'm  not a comp. sci., rather a mech.
engr., so if I made some mistake(s) in the above explanations, or they seem
too crude ... the comp. sci. gurus can find it easier to overlook it/them.


-- 
I donot read the newsgroup religiously, so send me e-mail if need to
ask/tell/flame/comment/etc.
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Differences between Sunnies & Shias Muslims...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:14:53 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons...

	Dear Netters,

	Yesterday I was reading a magazine and found something interesting for
	you.  According to Alama Sajid Ali Naqvi following are the differences
	between two, and I am quoting here:


		"The differences are significant.  They say cut the thief's 
		hands from the wrists.  We say just cut the fingers from
		the palms."

		"Alama Sajid Ali Naqvi"
		
	
	Any comments...


	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <Nov22.074410.8675@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:

..... (stuff deleted)

>*********************************************************************
>
>SOHBAN SHAHID                
>Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
>
>*********************************************************************

Thanks for the very mature response :)

Your posting is enough to show what you are... you made it so easy for me :) :)

Regards

Nadeem

PS: I know more about the Balochistan assembly incident because the Chief
Minister who asked the Governor to dissolve the assembly, happens to be my
uncle... If you are aware, even if the Governor hadn't dissolved the assembly,
it would have been automatically dissolved (given that the CM had already
asked the Governor).... What caused the crisis?? I am not obliged to answer
that question. I can say this much: Evidently, it was in Bhutto's political
interest that something changed the Balochistan Assembly. This cannot be
taken to mean that she was responsible for its dissolution. I had always
wished that Zia died :) That doesn't mean that I killed him :) How could
she have ever even dreamt of doing something like this... given that she was
in the center, and that a Governor is the center's representative, even someone
like yourself :) :) could say that she was responsible. To understand the
whole thing, you aught to understand Balochistan politics better... 

PPS: I think, before saying anything more, I'll wait till this invasion of 
soc.culture.pakistan by these moronic losers ends :) :)

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527
From: ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PakistaNews GIF File:Editorial Cartoon Graphic File 1119
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:08:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Nov22.055534.10359@panix.com>, imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
|> In article <184342@pyramid.pyramid.com> ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain) writes:
|> >
|> >Assalam-o-Allekum
|> >
|> >Can someone please tell me how to read this gif file.
|> >
|> >Thanks in advance.
|> >
|> >Intisar.
|> 
|> Intisar Sahib
|> 
|> Please save the file, use the Unix UUDECODE filename command to uudecode the
|> saved ASCII file into a binary GIF file.  That file can be viewed on any
|> computer with a GIF file viewer, usually avilable for almost all computer
|> types.  It is best to ask your system administrator about GIF viewers
|> 
|> I hope this helps
|> 
|> 
|> imran

Thank you very much Imran Sahib, and all the brothers, who 
helped me seeeing these GIF files.

Wassalam

Intisar.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vaseem@berlioz.nsc.com (Vaseem Anjum)
Subject: Matrimonial Help
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:53 GMT


The Marriage Bureau, of the Muslim Community Association has launched
a project to help prospective Muslims find a suitable match. 

If you are interested and need more information, please send me your
mailing address and a brochure will be sent to you.

Regards,
Vaseem...

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From: ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Benazir Bhutto
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov21.200727.2523@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> axavub@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov21.225958.9725@news.columbia.edu>, aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad) writes:
>> Listen fellow Pakistanis...all of you who think that Pakistan would be better off under Martial Law, think again.  Although I think Benazir may not be the best person for the job, and although I have tremendous hatred for Nawaz Sharif...they are both better for Pakistan (and Democracy) in the long run.  And for those of you who think that Benazir and the Bhutto's are better off dead...you all should really be ashamed of yourself for posting such trash.  We are the representatives of Pakistan in the




>a
>n> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> d by saying such unintelligent and cruel things like Benazir should be hanged "like her father" you make a negative impression...you all should really get a grip on your emotions.
>> 
>> Amer Ahmad
>> 
>>  
>> 



>        Mr. Ahmad, try to be a little sensible, any body who organizes
>        these kinds of demonstrations has the right to be stopped and punished.


>                For example if your beloved Benazir was in power, and the
>opposition tried something like this, they were supposed to be stopped in the
>same manner. We all know the state of our politician, and what they have
>defined democracy into. 

>        On top of every thing, PPP has always been the cause of agitational
>politics in Pakistan, and it is better for the development of the country that
>Ms. Bhutto and her PPP should be demolished, we have already sufferd alot from
>her father's rule and also her devastating tenure.



>        And please don't get me wrong, I am not an IJI man or a Nawaz Shareef
>fan, but I do believe that amongst all the worse kind of politicians we have
>Benazir and Co. are the Worst of all.......


>        ANd please also don't respond in the traditional "TAKHREEBKAR" manner
>of people's party and start attacking the evry body else but not BB.....





>                                Ali Ayub


>> 
  I disagree all political parties have the right to organise/lead marches.
If the people join the marches in large numbers then it obviously  means
that some thing is wrong with the current government.
  You can not demolish a party by force, only the people can in the
elections. Mr Ahmed is right democracy no matter how bad is better than a
'good' dictatorship. Paksiatn's democracy will improve through trial and
error. Have Faith!!!!!!!!!!!!
   I am neither a IJI or a PPP supporter hence I think my view is most
objective and in PAkistan's interest.
   I invite comments.

Omer.........
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ?  No Way !!!
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:55:27 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
>       I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement
>	from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>.champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>two women. This is Grabage."

>So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>paradise. 

>What you guys think ?

You are right, she is the one who is creating lot of obstacles for
Shari'a as a supreme law of the country, even she is critising
Shari'a it self by saying "Islamic punishments are un humen etc etc"

Altaf Qadir
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Conversion to ISLAM/ Do I have to leave my beloved wife?
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:12:22 GMT


Dear readers,

     One more question. One of my friends wrote to me by email
 That a muslim should mix with muslims only. (preferablely). He
must mix with muslim comunity, as the non-muslims will betray
a muslim (I really don't know why?).

I like your coments on it.

Now suppose if I convert ti Islam, do I have to leave my beloved
wife and all my dear family members? They are all strict HINDU and
pray multiple GOD, pray IDOLS, in short they are all KHAFIRS. Should/must
I leave there comunity and join muslim comunity where I don't have any
friends in INDIA. Here I have many muslim friends. Should I send my
son to only ISLAMIC INSTITUTE OF TECKNOLOGY rather then Indian Institute
of TECHNOLOGY? Should I forbid my children to mix with HINDUS?

I will appreciate your coments? Please use simple words. I will
beleave that you are speaking the truth. Please don't refer to
texts. I get confused. Refer to text and then please reply in
simple words.

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:16:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Whats all this stuff about Benazir's motives vis a vis the Long March. For
those in the dark, this is how the game is played. After all, the Government 
didn't play fair with her. She was thrown out of office by the old Guard and
the military, her husband has been in Jail for 2 years even though the courts
keep throwing out the charges, and she herself has many cases against her, and
her party workers are constantly harassed. And what kind of thinking blames
the victims for the brutality the government is handing out to the protestors?

So, for those shedding false tears in the name of the people, look again.

                      izaz ul haque
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan