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From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Subject: Re: To Be A Beautiful Chinese
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:34:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.193047.587@cc.umontreal.ca> hefa@ERE.UMontreal.CA (He Fangliang) writes:
>Happy Chinese New Year!
>I am a frequent reader of this newsgroup and others and very happy
>to see that many nice persons contribute their time and effort to
>make this newsgroup better. But there is something I feel quite
>annoyed. Why there are so much disagreement and even quarrel? Is it
>becasue politics is real dirty? or because Chinese are real 'ugly'?
>For what are you fighting? My brothers (and sisters?). For power?
>For US dollar? Or for justness? Personally, I believe politics is
>dirty. But it does not mean politician is necessarily dirty. 
>Please just to be a BEAUTIFUL Chinese, not a ugly one.  
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Fangliang He



Posting your ugliest thoughts on the net and fighting on the net
I believe serves a very useful purpose in that it clarifies your
view on life in general and therefore allows you to behave more
carefully in real life and thus helps you to become what you call 
a BEAUTIFUL Chinese in real life.
From: jackie@haas.berkeley.edu (Jackie Talsma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Info Request:  Travel to Zhengzhou, Henan
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:58:46 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

I will be traveling to Zhengzhou, Henan (to the Zhengzhou Textile
Institute) to teach English for six months.  I will fly from
San Francisco to Shanghai on Feb 1.  

I am desperately trying to find out what I should pack and what to
leave at home...  I would appreciate any information you could 
forward to me regarding Henan (and Zhengzhou specifically), e.g.
weather, living conditions, availability of goods, etc...

Any information you can give me regarding this area of China would
be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance.

jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu 
     or
jackie@haas.berkeley.edu
From: luo@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:25:50 -0500
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pokey.usl.com

test only
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From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:22:05 GMT

In article <108578@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>After Dr. Sun died, it was in urgent need to get some donation for his
>funeral. Ailing was engaged with Kong, a son of a ShanXi rich merchant,
>after he donated.  

	Hmm, still need more suggestions on how to get donations??  :-)


	 Eddie
From: luo@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:16:52 -0500
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
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test only
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From: library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett)
Subject: Re: The Future
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:05:59 GMT

In article <C1Kn5M.KAs@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <1993Jan28.132442.829@sunspot.noao.edu> library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett) writes:
>>
>>"The U.S. will always trash China until it becomes a puppet of the West".
>>
>>This is a statement which appeared in SCC lately...  (parts deleted)

>
>As many "the Party supporters" may feel "the U.S." trash China, so may
>do "the Party criticisers".  Sometimes it does not take a teaching to
>know/feel what is going on.  In fact, "the U.S." did not stop trash
>Russia *after* it became a puppet of the West.

I believe there are different possible interpretations of the opening
statement, and this has occurred. When I read it, it sounds like the
meaning is, "U.S. people will always criticize CCP policy ..."

Your interpretation, as I understand it, is "U.S. government leadership
will always criticize Chinese people and Chinese culture..."

If this is so, then our debate is heading in different directions.
If it is as you describe, then I join you in condemning the politicians, 
who are showing ignorance and arrogance about Chinese people and culture.

> 
>The hope is that the relation between peoples is seperated from that
>between governments.
> 

If it is possible to turn that around, then I hope also that the will of our 
people can and should drive relations between governments. Leadership should 
answer to us, and should worry about what we think.

>
>U.S. government has a long record in supporting autocracy and colonialist
>governements throughout the world, not mentioning its own share of them
>put upon other weaker nations.
>

I apologize for my government's wrongdoing, and for my people's wrongdoing,
and I can add slavery to the list, and lynchings, and more. In defense, I can 
only say that I support the effort to bring more freedom to South Africa, to 
Haiti, to El Salvador, civil rights in U.S., and others, and I sincerely hope 
this country will improve both within, and in dealings with others.
(parts deleted)

John Cornett
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:22:54 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <1k4qe9INNlim@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
made a lot of comments and questions about my post,
<1993Jan26.110215.4287@arizona.edu>, which was clearly an exact, although
unauthorized, copy from an article in Aviation Week & Space Technology,
Jan. 18, 1993. The article was copied in toto and as exact as my typos
allowed. As for the credibility of the magazine, I have already clarified
the situation in another post. Suffice to say, any magazine that has a
political stance has a credibility problem, but it is as authoritative as
any magazine in this technical field.

Now a little technical detail from me, and I assume the responsiblity of
any error. In the article:
>  Sources told Aviation Week the accident occurred when the Chinese-
>built 4.2-meter-dia. (13.8 ft.) nose cone shroud covering the satellite
>broke up while the vehicle was reaching supersonic velocity at about
>23,000 ft., 45 sec. after liftoff.
>  This is the ascent regime, when the greatest aerodynamic pressure and
>structural loading--Max Q--are exerted on the booster.

In general, Max Q does not happen at high supersonic velocity and in fact
at e.g. Mach 2, the nose cone shroud experiences lower aerodynamic pressure
than at Mach 1 because the bow shock is largely oblique and, at the same
time, the vehicle is at a higher altitude where the density is lower.
Max Q usually occurs when the speed is almost Mach 1 and a detached normal
shock forms in front of the nose. The pressure ratio rise is large from the
normal shock and the free stream dynamic pressure is significant due to the
higher air density at lower altitude.

Finally a word about accuracy. I believe the statement that China has
thousands of Mach 2.X supersonic planes is inaccurate. From all the
authoritative sources I have come across, the total production of all
Chinese aircraft capable of flying faster than Mach 2 cannot be
more than 2 thousands (in fact, might not be even a thousand). I would
like to see any source that contradicts this.
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:22:24 EST
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: subscription to CND-news, HXWZ

Please send CND-news, HXWZ to:     luo@bloomu.edu

Thanks.
From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Show Down
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:56:12 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: zygote.hsc.usc.edu


In <108516@bu.edu>, lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>In article <1k6e7uINN467@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
>>(deleted)  On second thought, since Confucius put a "Hu1", which
>>means uncertainty, at the end of his first statement, I guess he himself
>>wasn't sure about this statement either.  :-)
>
>You are wrong:-( After "Hu1", Zilu said something, and Dr. Johnny said:
>Ye Zai You! (James you are crazy!),

Often I think I am. :-)

>and then he explained why zengmin is
>so important by saying "Min bu Zeng, yan bu Shun". So he was very sure.
>Hu1 there is not a question mark, but a "!"

Now, let's see: the statement was "Bi4 ye3 zheng4 ming2 hu1". So,
the translation is "It must be 'getting a proper name'."  Since it
is "It must be", so Confucius was very sure, but not 100% sure.
In other words, he was only guessing. The "Hu1" character at the
end of this statement is consistent with this uncertainty,
otherwise Confucius would use "Ye3" to replace "Hu1". Agree?  :-)

Any way, don't take me too serious. I am only joking. :-) I,
however, promise you that I will go to a local Chinese bookstore
to buy "Four Books" (Si4 Shu1 Du2 Ben3) to find out the original
statements. That way I will also make fewer mistakes on SCC in
the future. :-)

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From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Re: For your information..........
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
	<F43703A.93Jan26190139@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:37:53 GMT

In article <F43703A.93Jan26190139@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:

Sorry I Did a type error.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
  
  During Independence you muslims broke our Bengal, saying that
  east Bengal will be better in India then in Pak. You were proved
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^
                               It should be reversed

  totally wrong. India did not help Bangladesh to make Pakistan
  week. It was because they really needed help. You really
  cannot compare the situation of Kashmir and Bangladesh. Look at
  the reality.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
--
With regards
 
SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:14:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: arizona.1993Jan26.151447.4290
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <2563@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.110215.4287@arizona.edu>
> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>>  The shroud was closed with the satellite inside, but then reopened so
>>Hughes technicians could replace an avionics system in the spacecraft.
>>Such operations are not unusual in launch preparations.
>>  Weatern engineers believe the shroud then was released improperly or
>>that a "small modification" was made to it by the Chinese. They said this
>>was not reviewed with Hughes and could have been a factor in the accident.
>
>From what I read from QiaoBao, it said some thing like: "A small
>explosion mysteriously occured on the satelite which is sitted on top
>(head area) of the rocket.  Usually a rocket may fail completely but Long 
>March is strong enough to finish its normal course...".
>
>Again, I can't remember exactly, and I am not technically able to say
>anything.  I do hope China is not the one to blame.

Please keep one point clear, I, Raymond Man, love to, but cannot claim
anything written on the subject mine. It is absolutely obvious that I
copied everything from Aviation Week & Space Technology, without the
magazine's authorization. The magazine is a very respectable source in
U.S., a counterpart of the Flight Internation in Britian. However, since
it has known political stance and the news originated from Paris, France
where the Ariane launcher is made, there is always the question about
their bias. Nevertheless, the magazine has the technical qualification
and the events are entirely plausible in perfect engineering sense.

Hopes may be useful for one's emotional healing, but for progress in
technology, one must be able to face up to reality. The aftermath of
Challenger disaster is a good example of learning from failure.

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Need your answer to Oedipus Complex
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:14:34 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi folks:

I was trying to proove a point (sorry I can't say it more explicitly, 
lest to jeopardize the objectiveness of the research), and I need some data,
from people raised in cultures other than western denomination.

Question: Do you ever have Oedipus complex, in your earlyhood? [y/n]
[optional]: if yes, when?

Under no circumstances shall I reveal the names and answers of questionees
to a third party. It's only for research uses. It will only apear as a total 
figure, if it  ever will appear.

P.S.: Oedipus was, by Greek mythology, the King of Thebes, who couldn't 
fight his fate but killed his father and lied with his mother. Oedipus 
complex is, according to Dr Sigmund Freud, the human sexual impulse
towards mother and hatred and murderous wish against father.

Interest people may refer to "Oedipus Rex", which happened to be a 
fantanstic Greek drama.

My truly appreciations.

--wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yongbai@physics.su.OZ.AU (Yongbai Yin)
Subject: Re: Existence of God
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:46:56 GMT

In article <weiping.54.728000885@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> weiping@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Weiping Hu Materials) writes:
>
>What about a prayer to stop those wars going on around the world?  Didn't 
>Chinese people pray during Japanese invasion?  Were they no righteous 
>people?  Don't the people in Sarajevo pray (I think they are Muslims)?  
>Aren't people praying for the people in Somalia?  Which one has been 
>answered?  Doesn't God want peace for his children, or he doesn't have the 
>power to fulfil it?
>
>Weiping

	As far as I know the God asks human being to manager themselves rather
than to rest for nothing.  In other words, the God will do something but not 
everything.  If you just sit down and pray, the God is unlikely to provide
you food and peace.

	some of my countryman are interested to argue if the God exists or not.
If one really concerns on the future of human being, he/she may be more
interested in standard of behavour.

	If you really wish to be a moster of the question, please find a book
like Bible first.  I know someone enjoys arguing this question, but he.she
never touched Bible even never saw it.  It is a shame I have to say so.


Yongbai, I am not a Christian, I should recognize.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:00:26 GMT

raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:

>I am saying you are far more creative and intrigant than I was. It will be
>a great loss to alt.conspiracy if you don't subscribe.

Thanks. I only try to show my ability here so that someone somewhere will think
that I am smart and give me a job. "Conspiracy"? well if it means money.
Any job offer please?

>-- 
>Just call me `Man'. 
>"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
>raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35132 soc.culture.taiwan:17475
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Show Down
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:43:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <93Jan24.143514est.149@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes...
>
>they probably were told that about everyone sings the anthem first ...
               ^^^^^^^^^     
> 
>Do they do that for every concert/performance in Taiwan?
>that's kinda strange because even on mainland people usually
>don't do that, but excluding the "state celebration occassions" i guess,
>the orchestra then might play the anthem with everyone listen in silence.  
>i don't think people should sang national anthem before
>a Mozart's opera of a Beethoven Symphony(especially they the national
>anthem is not on a par with the music follows it... the comparison
>could be devastating.   ;-) )

No, it has been a custom in Taiwan to play national anthem at the movie 
theaters, etc places before starting the performance and the audience 
usually just listen to it. Personally I think it is unnessary.
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China's GNP and why Steven Lin is so biased?
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:40:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: orasis.93Jan24.133955est.122
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1jrcrbINNaic@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: Re: China's GNP
>Summary: 
>Expires: 
>References: <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <lm0u5hINNa5g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>Sender: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <lm0u5hINNa5g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>In article <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>  (Guo Wei) writes:
>>
[......] 
>
>>
>>If the CCP gave a number, that should be correct. No single country is
>>forced to come up that number. There are common formula and factors used
>>to compute the GNP. The government gave the number should have details.
>>Counting on no tax policy, indeed the China GNP should be higher than
>>that number. But, there is no way to come up severl times higher, based
>>on the US tax rate 30% higher ma
>
>How do you know the higher number is given by CCP? I begin to doubt that you are
>so biased that you just couldn't accept different opinions. Acutally, CCP and
>mainland government never, ever uses the higher number. Most of these numbers
>are given by Westerners because they are confused about the official GNP and
>the reality. Mainland government always publishes the GNP number either in terms
>of RMB or gives the euivalent USD according to official exchange rate(which is
>about $380).t
>>

actually the CCP intentionally keep the official GNP low, say just
below $400 in official exchange rate, so that they can get a lot
loans from world bank et al. easily.  
>
[......] 
>
From: kai@cherokee.unl.edu (Kai Qian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: gifted program
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:24:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.unl.edu
Summary: gift
Keywords: gifted

Can anybody tell me about "Gifted Program" in elementary and middle schools around United States?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Insiders 2 of 4
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:34:30 GMT


From ulowell!das.wang.com!uunet!caen!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!news-is-not-mail Sat Jan 23 19:20:51 EST 1993
Article: 21495 of alt.conspiracy
From: weiping@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Weiping Hu Materials)
Subject: Re: Existence of God
Keywords: Existence of God
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:28:05 GMT

<many lines deleted>
>7. GOD LISTENS TO THE PRAYERS
>God has always listened to the prayers of the righteous people of all the 
>times. A nonbeliever may say that it might have been by chance that those 
>incidents happened that were prayed for. But the accepted prayers are 
>different from the other ones. God not only listens to the prayers of 
>his chosen one, but also He informs them about their acceptance. Many 
>prophets have claimed about a number of things, and all those claims had been
>fulfilled, e.g their ultimate success is always foretold when apparantly 
>they were very weak and opressed, but all of them succeeded ultimately. 
>

What about a prayer to stop those wars going on around the world?  Didn't 
Chinese people pray during Japanese invasion?  Were they no righteous 
people?  Don't the people in Sarajevo pray (I think they are Muslims)?  
Aren't people praying for the people in Somalia?  Which one has been 
answered?  Doesn't God want peace for his children, or he doesn't have the 
power to fulfil it?

<many lines deleted>

Weiping
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: an7819@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Toyer (was re. toycotter)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:43:00 GMT

X-Anon-To: soc.culture.china

It's unfair to call those toycotters prostitutes, as they never
sell anything of themself. People should understand
each other. Everyone in the world knows China is on the right way and
enjoying a fast economical growth and building up its infrestructure
and will be a giant in the near future. Toycotte and those
Dfer, Hrer,Tier,Tiier... give only tiny damage to China. it is just a kind
of job (paid by $ or card etc). They know that well.

As long as China is controled by the chinese republican and democrates
( CCP in China and KMT in provence Taiwan, rf. those in U.S, or FDP in Japon) 
,those nowadays communlists (Dfer.Hrer,Toyer,Tier,Tiier,DPP...etc)
can not destroy( or democraZy or somalialize ) China.
Yes, democraZy(and independent etc.) has been used very succesfully by the Wests
to destroy some may-to-be-developed countries in east eurapa and africa, but 
failed in Asia, 'cause the yellow gays are smarter, they just copy the system
used by the U.S. thus, a mono-political system plus FBI+CIA,and capitalism+
socialism. BTW, Bush knew that no country is able to feed a so big Somalia.

There are toyers who are not chinese. Their actions are quite understandable
To maintain high living standart is not easy at all. It will be
very nice, for them, that developing countries remain undeveloped
(exclude tourism), or at least, 
not as developed as the west countries, japon is already a big headache.

Taiwan is not able to be independent. There are a lot well educated
young people. One should have confidence in KMT. They know how to do with
trouble maker. There are quite a few KMT trained by CIA in Cuba. Once DPP
trys to totally destroy the island, a simple coup is enough. For the moment,
it is ok, Taiwan is already so rich that can afford some noise in politic.

In Hong Kong, people are supporting the  system in China, 
'cause, that is the only reason that Hong  kong can be 
a Hong Kong. Foreget those brits. UK has been second class country since
50 years ago.



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