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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:15:04 -0700
From:         "John W. Woolley" <jww@EVOLVING.COM>
Subject:      Holy Innocents

On this feast of the Holy Innocents, I offer a sonnet I wrote many
years ago.


               A Sonnet for Holy Innocents


        For voiceless nameless murdered in the sleep
        before their first awaking, let my voice
        serve to say "I believe", the tears I weep
        for them be baptism, and my will's free choice
        be choice to them that had none.  Any merit
        of mine, evil suffered or good done,
        account as theirs.  Let us as one inherit --
        all dead in Adam -- the kingdom of thy Son.
        Save us together!  Fill my desperate need
        for purity by their pure mortal pain,
        and use what I have, Bread and Church and Creed,
        to raise and comfort these unkindly slain.
        Them and me housel in one single host,
        thou Mary's child, enfleshed by the Holy Ghost.


-- Fr. John Woolley
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:25:51 -0500
From:         Braden Glen <d246@UNI05.LARC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Birthday

December 26th, 1992 at a few minutes before 11:00 am (10:57 to be exact!),
Timothy Nathan Braden was born. 7lbs, 13 oz and 20 3/4 inches. Both Mother
and Son are home, healthy and doing very well.

  Thanks for all your prayers. I hope everyone had as nice a Christmas as my
family and I!!!

 Glen A Braden                           D246@uni05.larc.nasa.gov
 System Analyst                          wk 804 865-9387
 UNISYS                                  hm 804 851-6530

 'By and by when I look at His face, beautiful face, thorn scarred face,
    By and by when I look at His face, I'll wish I've given him more...'
                                              -Hymn,
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:53:05 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kevorkian Strikes Again
              21 Dec 1992 01:22:21 -0500 from <kilroy@GBORO.GLASSBORO.EDU>

700 Club has a section on the life of Joni, the paraplegic that does
the Christmas Cards and paintings. She's made something of her life and
managed to triumph in the midst of a tragic situation. She was an athletic
young woman who had a diving accident and suddenly her life changed.

She read, or had read, I can't remember which, a suicide letter she had
written or wrote somehow when she was early on in her recovery. She
wanted to die. She had to depend on everyone for her support and found
this to be unbearable. She couldn't talk anyone into killing her.
According to kilroy, Kevorkian would have been doing her a service to
put her out of this misery she was in.

Much of the rest of the article talked about Joni loving the Lord, BUT
DESPITE THAT she still has PERIODS OF DEPRESSION, any one of them would
put her in such a mood that if someone like Kevorkian was there, he would
easily be able to convince her that she would be better off dead. Then
there are many other times she feels just fine and if Kevorkian showed up
she'd tell him to take a hike.

Now, according to kilroy's argument, if Kevorkian finds Joni at a sad point
in her time and convinces her that he will give her a quick painless death
and it will be good for her "Let's use the dying process... for good", and
she flips the switch, it's her fault and not Kevorkian's.

Sorry, I find myself very much in agreement with Rush, Kevorkian is a
murderer, and is simply getting others to do his killing for him. He prays
on the weak and does convince them they would be better off dead. I've
talked to old people, and some in pain. It would not be that difficult to
convince many to kill themselves if you could provide a quick easy painless
way for them to go. Many are actually "looking forward" to go home to be
with Jesus. I'm there to comfort them in their wait, but if someone was
there with a way out, they probably could easily be convinced to take it.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy your argument for a minute, mr. kilroy.

Your brother,
Maks.
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From:         Gert Lokhorst <LOKHORST@RCL.WAU.NL>
Subject:      disappearing USer defined missing values

Funny problem occurred when transporting a VAX SPSS 4.01 System file to
SPSS/PC+ 4.01 Following program will give unexpected results:

data list /a 1
begin data

1
2
3
end data
missing value a (3)
export outfile='test.exp'

So the first case is system missing and value 3 is user defined missing.
After import on the PC the missing value 3 is no longer recognised.

Any ideas????

Gert Lokhorst
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Reply-To:     Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
From:         Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Setting font parameters thru a GRAPH command
Comments: To: SPSS Users' Group <spssx-l@marist.bitnet>

Hi,
        The SPSS Graphics package allows the user to get into the minute
details of the graphics (font, color, space design, etc.).
        The GRAPH instruction offers a whole variety of graphic design (BAR,
LINE, PIE, etc.) for presenting the data. It has a no option of dealing with
the look of the graph. I wonder, is it a conclusive statement? Is there NO
way of doing it? Can't the user, for example, create a configuration file,
which will be called by a file handle? Or, alternatively, can't the GCMDFLE
be used for this purpose?
--
Ran Chermesh                                  E - M A I L
Behavioral Sciences Dept.                     ===========
Ben-Gurion University                  Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL
Beer-Sheva 84105                                 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL
Israel                                 Bitnet  : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET
Phone: 972-57-472-057                  Fax: 972-57-232-766
From: peck@spss.com (Kim Peck)
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Subject: Re: SPSS-Windows - some questions
Keywords: windows spss
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:40:56 GMT
Organization: SPSS, Inc.

In article <C012zA.Lpz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Emanuel Donchin) writes:
> A case in point: I am analyzing timeseries data with 150 variables per
> case. I perform a principal component analysis on the data and get long
> lists of factor loadings and so on. It is important for me to visualize
> the factor loadings plotted against the variables. This means I should
> be able to get the printout of the factor loadings (what the program
> calls the factor-solution) into a plotting program. There is, however,
> no simple way within Spss to do so.
> 
> Copying the printout and pasting it into the data worksheet does not
> seem to work. Though, cutting and pasting the same data into Excel 4.0
> does work fine.

It's easy to get output into data that can be plotted.  Mark the 
rectangle containing the desired columns of data with the mouse.  Use
Edit/Copy Table.  Choose a new column in the Data Editor.  Paste.  Then
the data can be plotted or used as variables as desired.

It's also the case, however, that factor loadings can be plotted
directly by the Factor procedure.  SPSS for Windows will do a 3-d
plot for the first three factors if you check the "Loading plots"
checkbox on the Rotation sub-dialog.  All the factor loadings are
available in the Displayed Data dialog in the Graphics Editor if you
want to make other loading plots.  Points are labelled with the variable
label by default, which you can control in the graph.  You can also
draw lines to the floor of a 3-d plot or to the centroid or origin.
> 
> One other difficulty: The program would not perform the PCA on all 150
> variables claiming insufficient memory. As I have 16 meg of RAM on my
> system, 8 of which were free for use, it is not clear how spss managed
> not to find enough memory for its operations.

When you install SPSS for Windows, it asks you what size workspace you want
as a default.  You can change this later on the Edit/Preferences menu, where
it is called Working Memory.  You can make this as big as your virtual
memory will accommodate, but the default SPSS supplies is small since that
suffices for many users and workspace competes with code space for memory.
As with any program running in virtual memory, the more you overcommit
real memory, the more the memory is likely to be swapped to disk, and
the slower the program is likely to run.
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From: edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Emanuel Donchin)
Subject: SPSS-Windows - some questions
Summary: Difficulties encountered in using Spss-Win
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:57:08 GMT
Keywords: windows spss

I am looking for users who have experience with spss-win. Right now I am
about ready to return the program and ask for a refund. It may, however,
be the case that I am missing some important details of usage.

My main complaint is that even though SPSS made a serious attempt to
make this into a Windows program, it is still at heart a main-frame
program. 

The most annoying and main-framish aspect of the prgoram is that the
output of all operations is essentially a dead print out. Even when the
output goes to the screen in an output window it is still dead to
further analysis. 

In the olden days it made sense, because there was no other way, to
generate miles of line printer output for the user to pore over.
Nowadays, it would should be standard operating procedure for every
thing you generate to exist in live-data form so it can be further
examined by the user applying the power of the computer.

A case in point: I am analyzing timeseries data with 150 variables per
case. I perform a principal component analysis on the data and get long
lists of factor loadings and so on. It is important for me to visualize
the factor loadings plotted against the variables. This means I should
be able to get the printout of the factor loadings (what the program
calls the factor-solution) into a plotting program. There is, however,
no simple way within Spss to do so.

Copying the printout and pasting it into the data worksheet does not
seem to work. Though, cutting and pasting the same data into Excel 4.0
does work fine.

This is not the working style one expects in 1992 in a new PC program.

One other difficulty: The program would not perform the PCA on all 150
variables claiming insufficient memory. As I have 16 meg of RAM on my
system, 8 of which were free for use, it is not clear how spss managed
not to find enough memory for its operations.

Any advise or comments would be appreciated.


Manny Donchin
Department of Psychology
University of Illinois
Champaign, IL 61820

edonchin@s.psycy.uiuc.edu


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Comments: To: SPSSX-L list <spssx-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

If black humour is allowable at this season (and what's the PC name for black
 humour?)
I would have thought that Ran is ideally situated to understand the need for
 correctly
specified boundaries.

> >The lowest value of the category variable does not match with the geocodes in
> >the specified map boundary and/or region file(s).  Ensure that proper data
 and
> >boundaries are selected.
>
>         What did I do wrong?
>
> --
> Ran Chermesh                                  E - M A I L
> Behavioral Sciences Dept.                     ===========
> Ben-Gurion University                  Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL
> Beer-Sheva 84105                                 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL
> Israel                                 Bitnet  : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET
> Phone: 972-57-472-057                  Fax: 972-57-232-766
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:05:19 IST
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From:         SHLOMIT@BARILVM.BITNET

Can someone help with the following problem:
I am trying to create a graphic file to be prined on a lazer printer
IBM 3820, in a batch job under VM/CMS.
I tried the following job, but no file was created, although the
job ended witout any errror.
    *******************
data list / a 1 b 3
set adevice=3270/gdevice=IBM382P
graph pie=a/gout='my graf a'
begin data
1 2
3 4
4 2
3 2
2 2
end data
    ********************
Thanks in advance
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From: edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Emanuel Donchin)
Subject: Re: SPSS-Windows - some questions
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:06:12 GMT
Keywords: windows spss

In a response to a query of mine the helpful Kim Peck writes:

>It's also the case, however, that factor loadings can be plotted
>directly by the Factor procedure.  SPSS for Windows will do a 3-d
>plot for the first three factors if you check the "Loading plots"

This is, indeed, true and I did check "plot factor loadings," but in my
case, for reasons that have to do with the nature of my application, I
need to plot the factor loadings against the variables. 

My variables happen to be a time series (digitized EEG) and there is a
point, for me, in knowing which "factor" was active in which segment of
the epoch. 

Obviously the trick I missed in my first attempt to use the program was
that I assumed that Edit/Copy followed by Edit/Paste will work the way
it does in Excel or QproWin. As the output data, however, exist as ascii
representations on the displayed print out, they need to be parsed
before they will become variables. I assume this is what Copy/Table
does.

Manny Donchin
Department of Psychology
University of Illinois 
edonchin@s.psych.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:27:42 CST
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From:         Mickey Waxman <MICKEY@UKANVM.CC.UKANS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: dictionary in spss/pc+
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              27 Dec 1992 19:59:25 EST from <BURGER@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>

>.... Most of the value labels
>are between 40 and 60 characters long. Is there any procedure (in either pc+
>or our regular mainframe version) that I can use to get the full value labels

     SPSSPC manual says "Only the TABLES procedure .... will print all
     60 characters of a label."

     With our mainframe version of SPSS (VM/CMS), I can get 60 char value
     labels printed with procedure DISPLAY, option DICTIONARY,
     i.e., DISPLAY DICTIONARY.   Usually, I'm a lot more cryptic with my
     labels, though.
                                              Mickey Waxman
                                          University of Kansas
                                                   USA
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:59:25 EST
From: bob burge <BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: dictionary in spss/pc+

Recently I used DE to create an spss/pc+ systemfile. Most of the value labels
are between 40 and 60 characters long. Is there any procedure (in either pc+
or our regular mainframe version) that I can use to get the full value labels
printed out? I seem to get only the first 20 characters when I use freq on
both systems. Should I attempt to play with one of the report features on
pc+?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Bob Burge                                  Internet: burger@qucdn.queensu.ca
Opinion Research Unit - Queen's University - Kingston - ON - Canada - K7L3N6
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:47:00 EDT
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From:         GUZOREK@SNYCORVA.BITNET
Subject:      Manova w/Repeated Measures & a Covariate

We are running SPSSx 2.1 on a UNISYS A10.  I have a user who is attempting to
run a Repeated Measures with a Varying Covariate analysis.  His analysis aborts
with the message  WARNING  SPSS-X has terminated abnormally and has not been
able to produce a complete output.  Unless you deliberately terminated (DSED)
this job, please inform your SPSS-X Coordinator immediately.

The code is:

MANOVA ZINFO ZNORM ZDIFF BY STATUS(1,4) WITH COMM/
WSFACTOR=ZSCORE(4)/
WSDESIGN/
MEASURES=ZSCORE/
PRINT=PMEANS
ANALYSIS(REPEATED) = ZINFO ZNORM ZDIFF WITH COMM/
DESIGN/

I have found that I can run the manova line alone, but trying to use the
repeated measure analysis the program either gives the above error message or
goes into what appears to be an endless processing loop.  I'm not sure whether
it's a problem with our release, with the design, or with the UNISYS can anyone
help me out on what I should look at?

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From:         Thomas=Meehan%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      re: SPSS-Windows - some questions
Comments: To: SPSSX-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

I am a more enthusiastic SPSS for Windows user.

You are absolutely right about its output features.  They are severely
limited.  While almost anything is possible using macros and code to generate
output data sets, this is too common a need not to be automated.

On your 2nd issue.  Have you tried resetting the amount of working memory in
"preferences"?  The default is 512k but can be reset as high as 16mb.  The
manual says to optimize speed keep it as low as possible without running out
of memory.

I like SPSS for Windows in a relative sense compared to older versions of SPSS
and SAS 6.04.  There are problems to be certain, but I think its a good start.
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From: Timo Toivonen <ttoivonen@abo.fi>
Subject: manova interpretation
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:57:43 GMT


How to interprete MANOVA

Manova gives interaction parameters in a known order. What is this order.
Is it so that the first parameter is the value of effect when both (or
more) variables are in the first category. But the second parameter? Is
it so that the first mentioned  variable (for example, if variable names
are USOS and HESU  and the interaction term USOS BY HESU) is still in the
first category, but the second one moves to the second category or vice
versa.

Timo Toivonen
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:13:05 IST
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From:         SHLOMIT@BARILVM.BITNET

Can someone help with the following problem:
I am trying to create a graphic file to be prined on a lazer printer
IBM 3820, in a batch job under VM/CMS.
I tried the following job, but no file was created, although the
job ended witout any errror.
    *******************
data list / a 1 b 3
set adevice=3270/gdevice=IBM382P
graph pie=a/gout='my graf a'
begin data
1 2
3 4
4 2
3 2
2 2
end data
****************
Thanks in advance
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:47:03 EDT
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