From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: What's your tattle level?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:52:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
: >: 
: >: ]Large drug buy/sell - Y
: >: ]Huge  drug buy/sell - Y
: >: ]Child taken by non-custodial parent - N
: >
: >So, how do the first two violate individual rights, theft or violence?

: It's simple. In today's drug prohibition world (which, by the way, I
: disagree with), a neighbor involved in a large drug buy/sell is involved
: in organized crime, and probably violent. I don't want such a neighbor.
: It has nothing to do with the moral rightness of prohibitting such drugs.

Probably/possibly? You want to get rid of any neighbors who "might" be
violent?

: >Why does the third not violate individual rights - such as the rights
: >of the child or the custodial parent? 
: 
: It would be very hard to determine that from a scanner. That's why I
: wouldn't call it in.

Are you going to answer this?

: >:  - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
: >
: >Don't be a hypocrite, John.
: >
: >Support ALL the bill of rights, including the right to be secure in your
: >life and property - unless removed by due course of law. Fight civil
: >forfeiture - which violates this right. Support the right to use drugs
: >and to have an abortion. 
: 
: Get a clue. You have decided I am a hypocrit after asking why I
: would call certain things in, but without waiting for my answer. Very
: presumptuous of you, I would say. Do you think I am in favor of
: civil forfeiture? How could you from my post? I do not believe that
: the right to use drugs is in the constitution but I do believe it is
: a natural right. I don't hold that there is an inalieable right to
: have an abortion because I am willing to at least consider the possibility
: that a fetus might also have rights!

No, I warned that if you don't support all the Bill of Rights, you are
a hypocrite by supporting only part of it. Supporting any law that removes
the right of a person to control their own bodies and actions is not
supporting the BOR.  Unfortunately, in this country, about the only way
for the general population to get rid of a law with which they don't agree
is to ignore it enmasse. 

: I really resent how you take a simple statement of mine and decide that
: you know the logic behind it and that therefore I am a hypocrit.

I did not say you were - I was just pointing out that it was possible.

: With an attitude like yours, I would be afraid to have you scanning my calls,
: because you would hear something innocent, assume something bad, and do
: something about it. Get a life!

Nope - I don't have a scanner which covers the cellular frequencies, nor am
I interested in getting one. All I listen to are the aircraft frequencies.

: ]Most of all, work towards requiring people to take responsibility for
: ]their own actions, instead of the government deciding what is morally
: ]right or wrong for you. Support the right of people to decide how they
: ]run their own lives, as long as they do not endanger others in the
: ]process.
: 
: What the hell did you think I said up there, Bill?

It certainly did not seem like it, from your post. Turning in a person
because they are planning to purchase X quantity of a currently illegal
drug is not allowing them to run their own lives. If I misunderstood,
then you have my apologies.

Bill