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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Comments and suggestions wanted: I-AA weekly update.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 10:37:19 GMT

I am planning to post a weekly I-AA update to the network each week.  In this
report I plan to include the I-AA top 20, conference standings, the top-20
schedule, and other games of importance.

If there is anything else that net.wisdom would like to see in this update,
please let me know via email.

Thanks in advance

PDunn
From: gt2862c@prism.gatech.EDU (gt2862c THAM,JEFF C)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Minor differences in football positions?
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:39:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This has been bugging me for a while, maybe some of you football
experts can help. Why are there different names for similar positions
in football? And what are the differences? For example, for receivers,
there are WR, FL, and SE. And for running backs, there are HB, TB, and
UGA (sic)'s scatback. I would appreciate it if someone can point out the
differences to me. Another thing, after a field goal attempt is blocked,
is the ball considered live? Where would the ball be placed if either team
recovered? Would the kicking team regain possession if they recover the ball
beyond the yards-to-go marker? 

Thanks in advance!

Jeff
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:20:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1992-Beat-The-Hell-Outta-Everyone Aggies of Texas A&M


Here is the Sports Illustrated 1992 preseason college football poll, as
reported in today's _Houston Chronicle_:

 1. Miami
 2. Penn State
 3. Florida
 4. Florida State
 5. Washington
 6. Notre Dame
 7. Alabama
 8. Michigan
 9. Oklahoma
10. Georgia
11. Syracuse
12. Colorado
13. Ohio State
14. Texas A&M
15. Iowa
16. Clemson
17. Nebraska
18. Mississippi State
19. Arkansas
20. San Diego State


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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:21:20 GMT

In article <17j189INNmki@agate.berkeley.edu>, cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danhua Newton Nguyen) writes:
|> >> You should thank the Longhorns for taking away a coach that threatens
|> >> the Wolverine in the BIg 10/11.

Hmmm, "threaten" is an awfully BIg word for a coach that had never even 
seen his team defeat Michigan during the four/five/whatever years he was 
at Illinois.

However, if you were to tell us that Joe Pa was replacing Mackovick at 
Texas, then you might be onto something...

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From: alspach@cs.sfu.ca (Brian Alspach)
Subject: Re: Big East Preview 1992
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:41:36 GMT




A few thoughts on the Heisman discussions. First, does anyone have
an accurate idea of what the terms of reference for the Heisman
trophy are? I recall reading something along the lines of "the
player who best exemplifies the traditions, excellence, etc. of
college football" or "the best college football player of the year."
The two phrases above, I believe, would lead to considerably
different outcomes. I think the former would lead to the situation
we now have of the award being given to players in highly visible
positions. The situation would be distorted by tv (tunnel vision) as
I believe it is. The latter phrase, on the other hand, would lead to
impossible decisions to make, but I still think there would have to
be some defensive players chosen; even roughly one-half of the time.

Terms of reference aside, tradition also becomes a strong determining
factor in making such awards. Could we have reached the present situation
of only backs and receivers seeming to have any chance for the award,
if the award is supposed to reflect the best college football player of
the year, because of tradition. I think the answer is possibly yes.
Why? For many of the years when the award was given prior to 1962,
college football was single platoon football. Thus, the winners were
seen on both sides of the ball, but it is likely that most of them
were remembered for their offensive skills (Leon Hart would not win
the trophy in modern colege football). So when college ball returned
to two-platoon football, momentum may have carried the award to the
offense no matter what the terms of reference state.
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:47:57 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:

>and don't forget the bad call by the ref's giving A&M an interception on a 
>play that had both pass interference and an interception after the
>ball clearly bounced off the ground.  It certainly broke A&M's string   
>of starting with poor field position in the 2nd half.

The officiating was truly horrible.  Not only was there defensive
pass interference on the play, but the ball was trapped on the
ground.  The official made two serious errors on the same play.
On the other interception, the defensive back pushed off, and that
wasn't called either.

I am certainly not a Stanford fan, but I think they may have
been robbed.


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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: EASIEST SCHEDULES
Keywords: FSU, what are you talking about?
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:09:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Before I get flamed for it, let me correct a typo in my last posting.  The
'Noles DO NOT play the Gators at UF, the game is in Tallahassee.  It's just
a typo.  The other games are on the road, but the Gators will be playing in
the confines of Doak-Campbell stadium.  Still not a cakewalk though.
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From: gt6363a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Hoang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:33:36 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

[stuff deleted...]
>                            As to the rest of the ACC, I stand by my
>statement that we have too much talent for them, at the present time.
>However, Clempsun will be the third most difficult game we play this
>year, though it may be the most significant. (bear with me, this
>conference stuff is hard to adjust to)
>

How about posting your predictions on FSU vs. ACC teams this year?
I will print it at the end of the season and mail it to you so you
can eat it :-) 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: BIG EAST, Weekly Preview for 9-5-92
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173319.25296@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.135338.13676@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.big.mouth.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Pittsburgh, Temple, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia
> > all host Division 1-AA teams.  What can you say?
> 
> OOOOOOPS.  Is what we could say.  Thanks to Michael Nelson
> for pointing out that WVU plays Miami (Ohio), which is
> not a Div 1-AA team.
> 
> I guess I should get my facts straight before shooting off my
> big mouth.  So, here goes.  First, wipe the egg of my face
> and jump in.
> 
> Miami (Ohio) at West Virginia
> ------------------------------
> Yeah, they are Div 1-A, but this Miami is the wrong one to
> give West Virginia too much trouble.  Miami's defense is their
> strong suit and Coach Don Nehlen of WVU hasn't named half
> of his starting offensive unit.  However, WVU's defense is formidable
> and they should be able to shut down Miami's offense.  Look for
> WVU's RB Adrian Murrell to have a big day, regardless of who
> Nehlen names as the QB.  WVU has some studs on their offensive line.
> PREDICTION: West Virginia 17, Miami (Ohio) 3
> 
> 

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH.  I blame this all on Tim Pitts who didn't
have time to put out a weekly preview.  I screwed it up again with
the MAC Conference.  Pittsburgh hosts MAC team Kent (did they
change their name from Kent State?) I think that's what screwed
me up.  So here's Appendix B to the BE 9/5/92 Weekly Preview.

Kent at Pittsburgh
-------------------
Playing the worst team in a weak conference is good strategy
for Pitt.  A sure win against a Div 1-A team is prime for any
bowl considerations, which is what the Panthers are shooting for.
Although they have disappointed their fans in the recent past
the Pitt Panthers will roll through the likes of this foe.
Linebacker Tom Tumulty of Pitt will have 25 tackles.  A good
game for Alex Van Pelt to test his surgically-repaired arm.
PREDICTION:  Pitt 21, Kent 7

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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: IAA Championship Game Participants
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:03:05 GMT

There was some discussion about championship game participants in regard to IAA
conference strength.  I thought I would post this:

Year      Champ          Conf.               Runner-Up      Conf.

1978      Florida A&M    Mid-Eastern Ath.    Massachusetts  Yankee
1979      E. Kentucky    Ohio Valley         Lehigh         Patriot
1980      Boise St.      Big Sky             E. Kentucky    Ohio Valley
1981      Idaho St.      Big Sky             E. Kentucky    Ohio Valley
1982      E. Kentucky    Ohio Valley         Delaware       Yankee
1983      S. Illinois    Gateway             W. Carolina    Southern
1984      Montana St.    Big Sky             Louisiana Tech Southland
1985      Ga. Southern   Independent         Furman         Southern
1986      Ga. Southern   Independent         Arkansas St.   Southland
1987      NE Louisiana   Southland           Marshall       Southern
1988      Furman         Southern            Ga. Southern   Independent
1989      Ga. Southern   Independent         S. F. Austin   Southland
1990      Ga. Southern   Independent         Nevada         Big Sky
1991      Youngstown St. Independent         Marshall       Southern

So, the tally would be:

Conference         Champs         Runners-up          Total Appearances

Independents          5               1                      6
Southern              1               4                      5
Big Sky               3               1                      4
Ohio Valley           2               2                      4
Southland             1               3                      4
Yankee                0               2                      2
Gateway               1               0                      1
Mid-Eastern Athletic  1               0                      1
Patriot               0               1                      1
Ivy League            0               0                      0
Southwestern Athletic 0               0                      0
                     --              --                     --
                     14              14                     28

A note about the Southern Conference: The SC was a IA conference through the
1981 season.  The first year it competed as a IAA league was 1982.

It was also mentioned that with Ga Southern joining the SC, the league would
have more past appearances by members than the rest of IAA combined.  Add four
championships and one runner up to the SC total, and you have (5+5=)10
appearances.  Not quite more than all the rest, but obviously a
disproportionate share.


PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep1.152200.28456@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:39:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.152200.28456@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Sep1100646@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (Willia
   m Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <1992Sep1.135535.27339@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.ac
   s.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
   >
   >
   >>   Does anyone remember 1988?  '90?  Oh yea, I forgot.  Miami
   >>   also lost to BYU in '90.  They were depressed after that, they lost their
   >>   senses and kicked to The Rocket.
   >>
   >>  See you in the Fiesta Bowl.  That is, if you can get by Penn State.  ;)
   >>
   >I think you will see Steve's team much sooner than that, Susan.  If you read
   >the woof you will know.  His team doesn't play Penn State.
   >
   >Bill

   Is his team the one that kicked to The Rocket TWICE? ;)

Still living through past glory, huh?  Well, ok, I guess after last year, and
what with the sorry prospects for 1992, that makes sence.

Yes, his team kicked to the rocket twice, and you should be very thankful
that they did.  The rest of the rocket's team was outmatched, and desperately
needed the help, if I remember correctly.

Bill
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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:59:37 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Sep1175203@z.eecs.umich.edu>,
billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>   Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
>   to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
>   not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that 
>   Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.
>
>You don't think that the performance against Michigan might have had anything
>to do with Miami's decision, do you Rob?  Dumb or not is a tricky issue to
>settle.  One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
>have been wiped that day.  

Gee, that's saying alot.  Should we go back through every Notre Dame team,
subtract their most important players from the team, and then say that 
what's left sucks and would lose a lot.  While your at it, why don't you
point out that Michigan could not have beaten Notre Dame last year without
the heroics of Desmond Howard.  If I were to say that, and act as if I had
insulted you, I would look like an imbecile.  Howard was a part of the
team.  Rocket was a part of the team.  The fact is, ND couldn't beat a
Michigan with Howard and Michigan couldn't beat the Irish with Ismail (or,
for that matter, without Ismail the five years previous).

Your statement is analogous to saying, "If we had scored more points than
you did, we would have won."

-Mike Noonan   (noonan@sun472.dseg.ti.com@tilde)
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: "Lines" wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:05:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

I'm attempting to make the "Vegas" entry for the football pool, but
can't find lines for the following games:

	Akron @ Eastern Michigan
	Central Michigan @ Kentucky
	Miami (Ohio) @ West Virginia
	Nevada @ Wyoming
	San Jose State @ Cal

I would appreciate any of these which you know (by Email, please).
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From: dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege)
Subject: Re: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Keywords: beat the `hoos
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:44:52 GMT

In article <Bu07MK.KMJ@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:  
> VIRGINIA vs Maryland
> 
> The wahoos will be looking to see how their new QB pans out 
> also.  Virginia should win easily, though they should have won
> easily the last 2 times...  This will probably a game full
> of errors - but, unfortunately, the terps will run out of luck.
> 
> UVa 21 MD 17  (pretty much in agreement w/ Charlie)
> 
> Michael Nelson
> 
> Go Hokies!  Go Terps!

Then again, Virginia football is *always* a comedy of errors...  Ever since 1990
when Georgia Tech and Virginia had mythical claims at best to be #1.  Maybe with
FSU, though...  Who knows?

Dallas
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:29:25 GMT
Distribution: na

Steve Phillips writes
+ Personally, I think that A&M had better start worrying about their next
+ real team on their schedule (whoever that is, taking the SWC into
+ account, and perhaps find a quarterback who can hit a pass while in the
+ pocket.  It's great how Granger came back in the second half and was  
hitting
+ his passes on the run, but in order to be effective, he's got to be a more
+ consistent pocket passer from what I've seen of him.

I think Granger will be a much improved QB now. He found out that he
can *do* it in the crunch [with help from 100 of his closest friends].
He'll be much calmer against LSU, and I don't think he'll be skipping
passes.

And they all learned not to give up and quit.

James
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From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:58:39 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.151107.29917@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
>In article <JEFF.92Aug27095403@neuron.cs.tamu.edu> Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes:
>>But, the fierce comeback that Granger lead in the fourth quarter showed
>>a lot of courage and leadership.  And, punter David Davis, averaged
>>around 44 yards per kick, pinned Stanford inside it's 10 twice,
>
>and don't forget the bad call by the ref's giving A&M an interception on a 
>play that had both pass interference and an interception after the
>ball clearly bounced off the ground.  It certainly broke A&M's string   
>of starting with poor field position in the 2nd half.

Sure, that was a bad call, but didn't A&M have to punt after 3 downs on
that series?  All it did was stop Stanford, and maybe switch some momentum
A&M's way.

I don't remember the Aggies scoring on that drive, as the *poor* announcers
mentioned.
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:20:14 GMT
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Chris Stassen says that yes, Bo was an assistant for Woody at OSU, so
Bo must = Glenn.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Yes!  The Dreaded GCMB!
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:07:09 GMT
Organization: Chevron

JIMMY writes:
>  Gentlemen and Ladies:
>
>  I have stumbled across something so insidious, so shocking, that I just *had*
>to bring it to your attention.
>
>  Miami, Florida State, Florida, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Alabama, all in
>the top 25-30 or so...all from Gulf Coast states...
>
> YES!  It's the rise of the dreaded Gulf Coast Media Bias (GCMB[tm])!  
>We must act swiftly to save College Football from these deadly MB plagues!

Too late Jammer.  I hear the FutureProbationers of Missy State have also
been selected by fickle fate to play a part in this dreaded (and much
appreciated) conspiracy.....

Thats all I kneaux for now....

(Will any others GCMB beneficiaries be ordained after Sept
5th....perhaps at the expense of another GCer?.....)

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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Records? was: Defense & Heisman Trophy
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:29:43 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <67191@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) wrote:
>}
>}As far as I can tell in 1990 (the year Ty Detmer won) he only held
>}a three records.  In 1990, what Detmer did to the record books 
>}was a drop in the bucket compared to what David Klingler did.
>
>You can't tell very far then.  At the end of the 1990 season (according
>to the Official 1991 NCAA Record Book), the number of records held
>by each of the 3 QB's in question was:
>
>Ty Detmer:        48
>Andre Ware:        9
>David Klingler:   37
>  [stuff deleted]

My apologies.  My records are not as complete as yours.  I was using
my SI 1992 Sports Almanac, which did not list such records as
consecutive game records, and so on.  

Your points are well taken, and mine is retracted.  Sorry to bother
everyone.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
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