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From: ihateuw@dispates.u.washington.edu (David Wong)
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.221732.16959@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk  
(null) writes:
> 
>  Hi there,
> 
>  My lady girlfriend and I will fly to New York (JFK) next October.
>  We would like to know the available means of transport to Manhattan 
>  from JFK Airport and respective costs.
> 
>  		thanx a lot for any useful help,
> 
> 
> 
> 				Ndedi & Paolo

	I just got back from New York a couple days ago, and caught the  
subway to get to the airport.  The "A" train, for $1.25.  Takes an hour to  
get to Manhattan, though, but it's cheap.  There's also the Carey coach, a  
bus that goes to Manhattan from all three airports, but I heard it was up  
to $11.50, though I can't confirm this.

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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Keywords: flying fear boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:22:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.042703.10003@cc.gatech.edu> pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.010632.15477@chpc.utexas.edu> jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg) writes:
>>It's true, the 757 and 767 have only 2 engines.  (And they even fly
>>767s on Austraila <--> USA nonstop legs, which is a lot farther than
>>crossing the Atlantic.)
>
>Really?  Can you point out a single case of an airline flying
>767s between Australia and the U.S.?

QANTAS does (Stop in Hawaii) ... still a long overwater flight...

reb
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From: geeta@nimbus.com (Geeta Chennubhotla)
Subject: Ticket for sale: Philadelphia/Pittsburg to SFO/San Jose
Reply-To: geeta@nimbus.com  ()
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:36:02 GMT



want to sell a ONE-WAY ticket on USAIR.

NOTE: date and destinations are FLEXIBLE, respond before 1st August.

FROM:  State College/Philadelpha/Pittsburg

TO:    San Francisco/San Jose  

DATE:  Anytime between 9th August to 16th August.(both days inclusive)      

ASKING $100

E-MAIL:
geeta@nimbus.com

PHONE:
(h) 814-867-8154 (pl. leave a message)
(o) 408-727-5445 

-- 

==============================================================================
|      Geeta D Chennubhotla     *   geeta@nimbus.com     *    (408) 727-5445    |
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From: valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:13:25 GMT

>I would prefer more that two engines!  I have heard of cases where the
>plane has returned to departure point due to the loss of an engine.  I
>doubt if the first plane that has two engines fail will make back --
>still aircraft float for a long time don't they?
>
>Charles


I read somewhere that as part of FAA transocean certification aircraft
have to be able to glide without power at a 1 to 10 glideslope, that
is glide ten feet forward for each foot of altitude lost. That should
enable them to land safely without any engine power. Of course it
would me no room for errors.

Stefan
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From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: >>>>> ROUNDTRIP AIR-TICKETS COUPONS <<<<<
Keywords: AIR TRAVEL
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:07:49 GMT

In article <b2e202Bk1aUw01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>
>Two (2) Continental Student Travel Coupon.
>$149.00 to travel within Western United States or Eastern United States.
>$199.00 to travel between Western and Eastern United States.
>
>If interested, please send me your from and to cities to see which fare you
>qualify for.
>
>Continental Airlines sometimes check ID on student fare travel.  Probably safer
>if you are of Asian nationality.
>
>Expires 8/31/92
>
>Asking $50.00 for each travel coupon.
>


I still have some of these that I am giving away for free.

Leonid.

frants@xenon.stanford.edu

415-723-1143
415-497-7218 (ev)


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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: Cheap Hotel near Munich airport?
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:56:49 GMT

allg@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Allan Greenleaf) writes:


>     Could some kind soul suggest an inexpensive hotel near
>the Munich airport? I have to catch a very early flight.

>Thanks,
>Allan Greenleaf

Maybe there is a cheap hotel in Erding, but I am not sure about that.

EACH S-Bahn and EACH bus serving the airport from the city are running
that early that you will catch the plane. So get a cheap hotel at the
east side of Munich and close to a S-Bahn-station for the S-8, get up
early and you will catch your plane. (I am sorry, I don't know which
hotels here are cheap, I live here and that is rather expensive.)

Peter
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Long Distance Phone and FF Miles (was Looking for an AT&T)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:40:58 GMT


>>How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I cannot
>>imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
>>know?

In article <2A7824E6.23776@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen) writes:
>I know this is slightly unrelated, but AAdvantage offers 5 miles for
>every $1 on MCI.

Northwest WorldPerks offers the same deal from MCI (now if USAir
offered the deal from AT&T!).
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:16:33 GMT

>> [As of] Aug 1, Delta is will announce new and
>>hopefully improved FF milage schedule.
>
>Really?  Where did you hear that, and do you have any further details?
>As a Delta Shuttle frequent flier, I've been increasingly dismayed at Delta's
>high award levels (yes, I know they credit at least 1000 miles/flight, but
>so does USAir, and they only require 20,000 miles for a free domestic ticket,
>I think.)
>

I talked to Delta FF yesterday and they said that they were not aware of
any large changes in FF requirements, although they did say that the new
brochure was coming out Aug 1.  I must agree that the regular Delta FF
sucks because of the huge requirements.  I thought that USAir gave 750 mile
minimums.  If you happen to travel 40000 Delta base miles, the awards
become significantly better, even a bit better than other FF programs.
The only things keeping me flying on Delta so far are:

(1) The good service.  (No seat assignments on the shuttle!)
(2) The miles I built up in the days of the PanAm shuttle.
(3) The hope that I will someday fly 40000 base miles in a year. :)

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: FF Magagines/Newsletters
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:20:39 GMT

ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) wrote: 
->Please post this information, particularly for Frequent Flyer magazine.

i don't have the number handy, but if you call 800 555 1212 and ask
for the number for "Official Airline Guides" they'll give you the
right number.

make sure you ask for Frequent Flyer magazine ONLY (unless you want the
monthly pocket OAG ... ).  the magazine comes bundled with the pocket
OAG for ~$70/year (wise, astute guess), or solo for $24/year or so
...
--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: bargain flights (was: Re: TWA)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:55:45 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <KMEYER.92Jul27155347@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:

>On Sun, 26 Jul 1992 05:04:01 GMT, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) said:
>> I've watched for a good while, hoping for a clue, but still haven't figured
>> out why some people care what sort of aircraft is used, modulo the possible
>> [...?]

>* Aircraft size.  Widebody aircraft have more stowage space, are generally
>  more stable, and both physically and mentally give the passenger the
>  illusion of more space.  Most people will find the flight more comfortable
>  in a large plane.

Uhh, I'll argue this one.  I've been on quite a few 737's, and at least two
Delta-configured L1011's.  The '37's have more room, both in the seat (I like
windows) and in the overhead compartments.  The newer model '37's that HP 
uses on their long-haul stuff have phones in the seatbacks and movies, just
like one would expect in a widebody.  

I'd hafta agree with the Airbus issue (which I deleted for brevity)... 
I wouldn't want to fly something that keeps the humans that far out
of the loop.... shee.

Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
Attention! The doors are ready to close.
From: raghu@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: RE: USAir Lowers Miles Needed for Europe
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:50:07 GMT
Organization: NIST

what are the most attractive deals right now in the frequent flyer program.
I am planning a trip to India soon and a good choice of airline should 
consider this infomation also, I have decided. 
Anyone offering double/triple miles for example?
raghu@enh.nist.gov
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From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Delta Frequent Flyer
Keywords: Delta, Medallion
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:45:44 GMT

Does anyone know what the award levels are for Delta's MEDALLION
(40,000+ miles per year) level awards are?  Delta seems to be unwilling to
tell unless you do fly more than 40000 miles on them.  I'm going to be in
the 30000+ range this year and was wondering if flying to LA or SF would
be worth it.
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:23:26 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) wrote: 
->There are many reasons why children cry on planes. Very often they cry
->because they're in pain due to pressure changes in the cabin. Is that
->kind of crying not allowed? Does that kind of crying make you want to
->look for the parachute? 

absolutely.  there are physical and medical remedies for these
problems.  the youngest children can't use these remedies and
shouldn't travel on aircraft until they can travel pain-free.

->.... To suggest that kids shouldn't travel
->until they're "old enough to behave" when behave means "no crying" as
->suggested above, shows a lack of tolerance for others:- I

and sharing your crying children with several hundred people on a
transatlantic is not only tolerant, but considerate, right?

->If one uses public transport, although one has a
->reasonable expectation not to be "disturbed" by fellow travellers,
->it's unreasonable to expect to be totally cocooned from the world.
->Personally, I think the Mensch's of this world should vote with
->their feet and travel by private jet :-)

this Mensch travels outside cattlecar class whenever possible (amazing
what frequent flyer upgrades will do for you ... ).  

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: wlh@cbnews.cb.att.com (wanda.l.howland)
Subject: Lost ticket
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:40:55 GMT
Keywords: AA, reissue


I have just been told by my "local" travel agency that *I*
will have to pay $50 to have a ticket re-issued because I never
received it in the mail.  This is one of the "bargain" flights from 
last June, flight is in August.  When I called the agency last June
to tell them I had never received the tickets, they told me that I would have
to wait until early Aug. to file for a lost ticket - never said
anything about *me* picking up the cost of any fees.
Is this usual? They said that I had the option of paying for priority
mail but this was never mentioned to me - can they prove that the
ticket was actually mailed?  I have a feeling that it was never mailed
because when I called to book the flight I told them to hold the ticket
until I called to verify return dates, and when I did call back, I
just left a message for my agent. I keep thinking that she never got
the message and that it was never mailed.  Any way I can get around
paying the $50??

Wanda Howland
wlh\@mvuxd.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Cheap fare from SFO --> LA r/t
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:15:08 GMT

On 27 Jul 92 21:21:22 GMT, cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) said:

> Anyone can suggest any cheap airline to fly between those two
>somewhere during the 3rd week of August ? Are there any shuttle flights
>between them ? Also, will it be cheaper to fly from say Oakland instead
>? I was told that Southwest will be a good deal, but how reliable are
>they, esp when they are likely to go bankrupt anytime now ? Also,
>anyone has any idea of the r/t fare via bus and/or rail

As always, your best bet is to call a travel agent who can tell you
exactly what is available and at what price.  According to a recent
LA Times, it is cheaper to fly to Oakland than San Francisco, I think
$78 roundtrip.

By the way, Southwest is not in any financial danger, in fact they are
probably one of the most financially sound airlines in the U.S.

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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Looking for an AT&T customer who wants to pickup some AIR MILES
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.020846.6875@cc.gatech.edu> pas@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>If you are an AT&T customer, and you would like to enroll in the AIR MILES
>program with 25 startup miles, send me email and I'll sign you up.
>If you want to know what the AIR MILES program is all about, I'll explain.
>Just send mail.

If I recall, AIR MILES is supposed to give you  a trip of however many
miles you have in your account. (This is supposed to be "simpler" than
the usual 20k miles / 1trip anywhere) I wonder, if I have 25 miles can
I fly SFO->OAK? ;-)
				reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: JFK to EWR/LGA
Followup-To: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:42:17 GMT

About pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de's question about transportion
between NY City Airports...New York is notoriously bad in terms of airport
access.  Blame it on the Port Authority of NY/NJ.

About the only efficient way of traveling between JFK and LGA is the private
shuttle bus, I think it's called Carey, and it costs about $13 last time I
looked.  Between JFK and EWR, there is also a similar bus, for a little more.

Leave a good amount of time between connections; while JFK and LGA are only
a dozen or so miles apart, traffic delays are very very very common, so you'd 
probably need at least four hours.  JFK and EWR are even farther, meaning
a greater chance of traffic delays.  Leave a good 5 or 6 hours between flights.

Of course, you should contact the Port Authority of NY/NJ for more information;
they control all 3 of these airports. 

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From: LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu (Leslie M. Haas)
Subject: Bumping
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:08:57 GMT

I know I was the first to volunteer because I asked the lady if they
were going to be bumping and she said yes and asked if I wanted to
volunteer.  I asked how many were ahead of me and she said nobody.
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mingy@gnu.ecn.purdue.edu (Minerva Ming-Yee Yeung)
Subject: AE Continental Coupon using on US Air
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:41:59 GMT

I remembered some weeks ago someone was asking the
code for using AE Continental Coupons on US Air
travel.  Is this option still available today?
If so, does anyone on the net know the code to
be used in booking thru travel agents?

Thanks very much,
Minerva



Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: AS.RFS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Russell Sole)
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:43:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.211752.2005@athena.mit.edu>,
cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:
>One problem I can forsee from all your suggestions. Normally, you have to check
>in your check-in lugguage before you go to the boarding gate. What if you get
>bumped and the your bugguage didn't ? How to ensure that your check-in lugguage
>travel on the alternate flight as you ?
>
>cheeky


Well I always try to carry on my luggage, but even if you checked
your bags, I presume that you are travelling to the same final
destination as the flight you were denied boarding.  Therefore,
after your bag circles the carousel a hundred times, I would hope
that the airline representative would lock it up until you came
calling for it.

No problem, right??

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:06:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>   NW: Northwest.  Somehow I can't imagine BA being interested
>       in an airline that flies to such picturesque cities
>       as DET and MSP.  The two cities just don't have the customer
>       base now, nor do they have people interested in flying to
>       London.

Why, then, do they have a flight from Detroit to London?  I'm booked on one.

-- 

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Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3344 alt.peeves:12359
From: ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:43:45 GMT
Organization: Wild Bill & BabyCat's House of Many Pleasures


 henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) wrote: 
>->For this little piece of childish elitism you should have to sit next to
>->large groups of screaming babies for the next five years.  Weren't you
>->at one point a "screeching, snotnose segment of society" or were you
>->born so perfect?
>
>i was born perfect.  my parents were pretty perfect, too; when i was
>being especially surly they didn't trot me out in public so i could
>annoy all of north america.
>
>children who aren't old enough to behave in public places shouldn't
>travel.  
>


    Well, AMEN to that!  Especially when the INNOCENT victims are 
    confined to a plane at 38,000 feet!


    When I was a kid we got one warning about how we were acting.
    After that it was out to the car for a fanny paddling.

    Ellon

--
Nothin' feels as good, as good as us together.  Nothin' in the world,
no, there ain't nothin' better than this... NEW LOVE! Always feels 
like a new love. Every touch is feelin' so much like the very first
touch. It's like a new love, a new love........  WCS & ESS 4/18/92
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:02:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul28.180232.23960
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <64506@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:
>Don't know where this fellow got his info, but with improvements in
>soundproofing technology and the advent of the turbofan engine (and
>its increased noise), a turboprop aircraft is not appreciably noisier
>than a modern jet.  (Granted that unpressurized, piston-powered craft
>will probably be noisier, but I don't know who runs these anymore for
>passenger aircraft... and it's not going to be in the Chicago area...)

Well, when I was on a Northwest flight from JFK-BOS, they used a Fairchild
Metro SW2.  Seats 15 with plenty of leg room in Seat #1 :)  To me it was
a half height plane, meaning I could only stand up about half way (vertically)
in the plane.  Anyway, I always carry my walkman with me to listen to
tapes.  In this plane, I gave up after 15 minutes.  I could not hear the
music.  I cannot imagine any other major carrier using a plane that is
smaller than this...are there any?

--Ken
From: kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karin Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: ticket Pitt=>San Francisco
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:56:37 GMT
Organization: Office of Planning & Budget, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Sell one way ticket:

American Airlines
Pittsburgh to San Francisco via Dallas
for a female
24.August (can be changed for $25)

I paid $250, please make me an offer.

Karin
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wb@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Bill Beblo)
Subject: FF Magagines/Newsletters
Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:03:54 GMT

Can anyone recommend any magazines or newsletters which summarize FF programs,
in particular, changes that I would miss if I didn't get the airline
flyers each month?  I recently heard about Inside Flyer magazine.  Are
they any good?  Can someone supply an address and cost to obtain a
subscription?

Thanks,
Bill Beblo
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