From: fsjfz@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Learning Experience!! or Geeze, guess I got him pissed
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:49:33 GMT

In article <6OCT199220555114@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsjjp@acad3.alaska.edu (Whatya Want?  Get Screwed) writes:
>         If you do not wish to read the following . hit -n- . when it asks
>         you to.  This is the conversation between the DEITY and Myself.
> 
ditto for me.  unless of course you're a Diety.

> 
> = James .. you requested a week.  Your week is up.
> 
I was around when you first asked Mark about the co-ruler.  You asked for one
week, Sunday to Sunday.  Nothing more.  When the game was started, there was a
general understanding that the game was meant for local players only,
especially the less experienced local players.  The more experienced local
players were added for color.  This wasn't a big secret, James.  There is only
one non-Alaska player, a person who contacted me about possible games since he
had not been playing empire for a long time.  I referred him to Mark, and he was
let into the game because it was supposed to be for new players.

>>        The Deity is saying that my country has too much of an advantage.
>>        With 2 people running the country.  Hell, I wish 2 players were running
>>        the country....I'd be at the top of the power chart.
> 
> = James .. you'd need more talent than your current 2 players have.
> = As to the top.  That requires skill, or Dumb luck.
> = You have neither.
> 
Anyone looking at the news file would see Stuart_Hall logged in and making news
almost continuously.  The only time i can count on not finding someone logged
onto the country is from about noon to four, and then from six to nine or so at
night.  Everyone else has to do it alone, and can't dedicate 19 hours a day to
the game.


> ==> Stuart_Hall
> 
> What do you mean .. it crossed your mind .. 
> so what if I posted to rec.games.empire .. hmm .. 
> Are you telling me that *I* am forbidden to post there now that you 
> are a computer consultant 
> 
> what are you going to do .. remove my account .. ?
> 
> => DEITY
> 
> 	james .. don't act the more a fool.
> 
> ==> Stuart_Hall
> 
> I'm not acting the fool .. your making a big deal out of my 
> using a co-ruler .. and now your threatening me with the removal
> of *MY* COMPUTER ACCOUNT ... NO-WHERE is it in the rules
> does it state that you can't use a co-ruler! ... There are conditions
> of using a co-ruler:
> 
The above i've carefully left unedited, and people can read the first post to
verify this.  Mark never threatened you with removing your student account. 
You brought it up, and referred to it again when Mark brushed it off.  So don't
go crying to the net about Mark's behaviour regarding your account.  He's not
interested in your account at all.  More on this below.


> =====>  As of 1930 tonight, 5 minutes after I completed this conversation
>         with the DEITY (Also known as BattleZone, Dire_Straights and other
>         fodderous countries) he removed access to my country and gave it to
>         a newbie. 
   OK, James, here's what's pissed me off.  Your first message to Mark (and
yes, i've seen it) told him to f**k off.  If I were the Diety, i'd axe your
country for that alone.  You made a deal with the Diety for a co-ruler that
would play for one week.  At the end of that week, you're crying because he is
sticking to the original plan.  Lest you forget that two other players in the
game have left for extended periods of time, and never brought up co-rulers at
all.  You were a special exeption to begin with.

                     Also I would like the Empire community to know that he
>         has access to numerous accounts and like to request 2 - 4 countries
>         per game (1 from each of his accounts) and ally them to form a power
>         block.  Since I will not be playing in any of his games again,

   Mark doesn't do this.  1) any Diety would notice the same name on the
account (i don't think i could get away with FSJFZ@acad3.alaska.edu and
FSJFZ@Camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu and ZUELOW@dec1.uafcs.alaska.edu registering
for the same game-- all these accounts have my name plastered all over them). 
2) sometimes you will see FSMAR playing several countries in a game.  That's
because Mark is being a nice guy, and giving access to his account to other
players who for some reason don't have net access.  I've accidentally given him
a map printout from a country that had FSMAR on the header, assuming it must be
his.  He noticed that it was from one of his ``guest'' players, crumpled it up,
and threw it away.  Someone that doesn't even look at all the files in his
account isn't the same person who would sign up for several countries in one
game. 3)Absolutely nobody has the time to run more than one country in an
Empire game and still have a life.  Don't forget, Mark both works for the
University and attends school full time.

>         AND HE CANNOT REMOVE MY STUDENT ACCOUNT (although he does have the
>         power to do it) due to his being on the bottom of the power chart
>         of Computer Consultants (hehe) and My not doing anything illegal .. 

    You're right, he can't.  And by your own post, he hasn't even threatened
you with that.  You're imagining all that.  Besides, should you even have a
student account?  If you're off to Homer to work for 3 weeks or so, you can't
be going to school.  If you're not going to school, why do you have a student
account?


>         Hence I wished to warn the Empire Community of this guy .. 
> 
>         Did the DEITY have the right to remove access to the country
>         and give it away, or should he have just remove the country.
> 
>         His first mistake was taking the country away.

you can't play the country, so he gave it to someone who could.

>         His second mistake was in giving it to a newbie.

it's a newbie game, James.  Did you forget that?

>         His third mistake was he should have just removed the country.

removing the country would have taken away the opportunity that Bill has to
retake his island-- and learn while doing it.  It's a newbie game, remember?

> 
>         What say's the Empire Community.....

that you've gone overboard on this.  After Mark made a special deal with you,
and stuck to it, you're upset because he's sticking to his guns.  After seeing
all this in R.G.E., i'd be surprised if *anyone* let you play in their games. 
What diety wants stuff like this going on?

> 
>         Alright guys ... Flame away!!!!

                     flame on
> 
> 
> 
> Stuart_Hall
> aka Corwin
> #include BITNET <FSJJP@ALASKA.BITNET>
> #include EMAIL <FSJJP@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU>

James Zuelow  (Voor)
FSJFZ@acad3.alaska.edu