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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: CPP, Let Them Play Also
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:42:47 GMT


Tukayo on--

RE: Legalization Of The CPP Is Good


>      Though way, way overdue, the legalization of  the  CPP
> will  finally  assure the left that the incumbent regime is
> serious about peace. It will  encourage  many  sincere  and
> patriotic  people,  though  misled,  to  come  forward  and
> contribute  towards  a  better society. First, legalize the
> CPP and all its organizations,  then  a  full  amnesty  for
> political offenses.
>
>      If this bill passes through Congress,  the  Left  will
> have  to  show  their  sincerity by not making unreasonable
> demands (like they did in 1985-86)  where  they  asked  for
> complete  land  reform,  nationalization of industries, etc
> which could not and cannot be implemented.
>
>      They will have to achieve their  goals  by  the  open,
> democratic process.
>
>        What do you think  ?
>
> tito
>


 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, yes.  It's about time that all ideologies must  have  a
place  in our society.  Let them compete on the same playing
field with other political parties and  interests,  and  let
the  Filipino  masses  find  out  which would best serve the
current and future needs of the country.

                                          -TEG
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Gov Troops and NPA/CPP Clash
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:02:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA (UPI) -- Twenty-two persons were killed in a gun battle between
government troops and communist rebels in a village in the northern
Philippines, the national police said Thursday.
	Chief Inspector Absalon Piedad, a police operations officer, said the
casualties in the firefight Monday in Kasibu town, Nueva Vizcaya
province, 130 miles north of Manila, included 12 guerrillas and 10
soldiers.
	Piedad said the soldiers were on patrol when they were fired upon by
the rebels of the communist New Peoples Army, triggering a one-hour gun
battle. An undetermined number of rebels were wounded, he said.
	The troops recovered six firearms from the slain guerrillas, Piedad
added.
	The incident, one of the bloodiest this year, happened as government
negotiators prepared to leave for the Netherlands Friday to begin talks
with the exiled chief of the outlawed Communist Party of the Philippines
and other rebel leaders on ending the 23-year communist insurgency.
	President Fidel Ramos has proposed the legalization of the CPP and
the granting of amnesty to its 13,000-member military wing, the NPA.
	The negotiators have said they hope the talks in the Dutch city of
Utrecht could lead to a resumption of formal peace negotiations with the
rebels.
	Peace talks between former President Corazon Aquinos government and
the guerrillas collapsed in early 1987 following rebel demands for
power-sharing and the killing of 12 leftist farmers in a pro-land reform
rally.
	Ramos vowed to crush the insurgency if the rebels spurn his peace
offer.
From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:48:49 GMT
Subject: Re: New Subscriber!
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino

W-E-L-C-O-M-E! I'm new here too.
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.Com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Gov Allows Return of Marcos Body With Full Military Honors
Originator: tjehl@mirage
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:58:57 GMT


   I surmise that the government is attempting to remove the disposition
of Marcos' body from the political arena.  Somebody high up has obviously
said, "Let's just bury him and get it over with."  Although seemingly
reneging on some "principles", it may be the most pragmatic solution
available.  There will probably be a major effort to minimize news
coverage of the event, and an attempt to turn it into a non-issue.

Tim
From: u9211306@cc.uow.edu.au (Elpidio S Jabonete Jr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: PANATANG-MAKABAYAN
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:34:43 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

albert@MATHLAB.SUNYSB.EDU (Jose Ramon Albert) writes:

|>Iniibig ko ang Pilipinas
|>Ito ang aking lupang sinilangan

	I remember a similar post in which I think I  just
   changed the word HINIRANGAN into SINILANGAN.

	 Albert has the right phrase for this .

	--->> Ito ang aking lupang sinilangan 

		rather than

	     Ito ang lupa kong sinilangan.	

|>Ito ang tahanan ng aking lahi.
|>Ako'y kanyang kinukupkop at tinutulungan
|>Upang maging malakas, maligaya at kapaki-pakinabang.

|>Bilang ganti, ay diringgin ko ang payo ng aking mga magulang
	      ^^^^
	BILANG GANTI; DIRINGGIN KO ...

|>Susundin ko ang mga tungkulin ng aking paaralan
		      ^^^^^^^^^

	SUSUNDIN KO ANG MGA TUNTUNIN NG AKING PAARALAN

|>Tutuparin ko ang mga tuntunin ng isang mamamayang makabayan
		       ^^^^^^^^

	TUTUPARIN KO ANG MGA TUNGKULIN NG ...
|>  at masunurin sa batas.

	( Missed something here )

	PAGLILINGKURAN KO ANG AKING BAYAN NG WALANG PAG-IIMBOT AT
    NG BUONG KATAPATAN

|>Sisikapin kong maging isang tunay na Pilipino sa isip, sa salita at sa gawa.




		****************************
		* Elpidio S. Jabonete , Jr.*  " Life is a hamburger "
		* Faculty of Informatics   *  
		* University of Wollongong *     -- Bread Baker
		* Australia                *
		****************************


	===>> How about Panunumpa sa Watawat ?


		Ito na yata ang pumalit sa Panatang Makabayan.
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Hello...
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:27:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Did you visit any of the "resorts?"  I mean tourist places like
Boracay?  How were they?

Also, have you tried snorkelling/scuba diving around the corals?  Esp.
when the water is just crystal clear?  I sure miss that...
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: NPA/CPP Clash With Troops
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:08:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.86211
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	PAGADIAN, Philippines (UPI) -- Government troops repulsed an ambush by
communist guerrillas in the southern Philippines, killing eight rebels,
an army official said Thursday. A militiaman was also killed.
	Brig. Gen. Raymundo Jarque, an army division commander, said the
soldiers were on patrol Wednesday in Mahayhay town, Lanao del Norte
province, 500 miles south of the capital, when the rebels fired on them.
	A militiaman died in the initial volley of gunfire, but the troops
fought back, forcing the rebels to retreat, Jarque told reporters in
nearby Pagadian City. Eight rebels were killed in a 30-minute battle, he
said.
	The soldiers recovered two assault rifles from the slain guerrillas,
Jarque said.
	Last week, three rebel electronic experts surrendered to military
officials in Lanao del Norte, saying they were tired of fighting the
government, Jarque said.
	President Fidel Ramos last month offered to legalize the outlawed
Communist Party of the Philippines and grant amnesty to its military
arm, the 13,000-member NPA.
	He also appointed a panel to talk with the rebel leadership for
possible peace negotiations to settle the 23-year-old Marxist rebellion.
Analysts said the rebel attacks could endanger whatever was little hope
left for the peace process.
	Authorities said at least 21,000 people have been killed in the
insurgency over the past 23 years.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Subject: Pinatubo: Blessing in disguise?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:43:38 GMT

The Mt. Pinatubo was probably the most destructive and most powerful volcano
eruptions in the world.  Yet, is it possible that good can come from
such a disaster?

I hear that once things settle down, the land will become extremely fertile.
There are reports that in an area where plants had trouble growing, has come
better varieties of fruit plants, for example, with more abundant fruit, and
a larger size to support the greater amount of fruit.

A blessing in disguise?
From: gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Gov Allows Return of Marcos Body With Full Military Honors
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:59:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Aug15.003454.39588@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette) wrote:
> 	I saw this too and was shocked and outraged.  Is this report
> 	accurate?  If it is, then I consider it a slap in the face
> 	(at the very least) of the Filipino people.  It sets a very bad
> 	example of how the powerful can do whatever they want, no 
> 	matter how immoral, and still get away with it.  Are we 
> 	doomed to this type of society forever?
> 
> 	I expect no less than massive protests from the people if
> 	the dictator is buried with military honors, and if I can
> 	join in this protest in some small way from over here, then
> 	I will. 

This was mentioned in a Channel 9 tape delayed broadcast (8/12/92). Burial
with military honors as requested by Imelda. Is this for his alleged WWII
exploits as a guerilla leader?

Considering that he is planned to be buried in Ilocos Norte, the protest
might be muted at best.

Standard Disclaimer:
  I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
cups of coffee, whichever comes first.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: paquin@kahua.esd.sgi.com (Tom Paquin)
Subject: Re: Gov Allows Return of Marcos Body With Full Military Honors
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:13:51 GMT

In article <Aug15.003454.39588@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette) writes:
|>      It sets a very bad
|> 	example of how the powerful can do whatever they want, no 
|> 	matter how immoral, and still get away with it.  Are we 
|> 	doomed to this type of society forever?

They only get away with it because you let them.  Corruption in public 
office is a giant game of chicken, and the lines are drawn mostly by
perceived expectations.

You get what you settle for. In order to change the status quo, 
you must exert the necessary effort and accept the necessary pain.

An object of a tyranny is simply to keep the masses convinced that
the tyranny is less painful than the cost of removing the tyranny
would be.  (China is good at this.  Russia used to be.)

History shows again and again, in all lands, that populations
are astonishingly ignorant of their power, and that they foolishly
spend it oppressing themselves and blaming those they keep in power.

Occasionally, somebody recognizes otherwise; we did manage to get
rid of Hitler, after all.  But many people had to die for that,
and several nations mortgaged their quality of life for many years.  
Without strong conviction, they would refuse.

You get what you settle for.

Why should anybody give you any more?  Benevolence?  Hah.

-- 

		-Tom
*****
Opinions are mine, etc.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: HOME-BOUND
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:05:09 GMT

In <1294@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:

>	Pare, it's true maraming kalokohan sa atin, but do not
>	also be blind to the fact that there are also many
>	wrongdoings here.

I agree. The wrongdoings I have mentioned about are not isolated to Pinas
alone. Yes, maraming kalokohan din sa North America - pero consider the degree
of wrongdoings committed. I would think that in North America (well, at least
for me here in Vancouver), wrongdoings are done on a casual or tolerable level.
Sa MNL, pare, almost everyday I am bound to hear or come across an unfair 
experience. I try to brush them aside, pero after awhile - nakaka-inis na
because deep inside you know your principles are being violated.  

>	Most of the time when you go against a powerful man or
>	group, you run the risk of being beaten, anywhere in 
>	the world, no matter how correct or right you are.

>	Sipsip? At work, tambak sa dami ang sipsipan. All walks
>	of life. The higher the position, the stronger the 
>	sipsip. 

Pare, one thing I notice about the work atmosphere here. Kung may kang karibal
sa opisina at ma-init ang kompetensiya (sic?), do you think your karibal is
going to create intriga and try to put you down by spreading bad rumours about
you ? Pare, hindi yata ganyan ang mentality ng mga tao rito - they nourish
competition and will take up a challenge. From my experience with a big corpo-
ration back home (with lots of political and bureacratic BS), sobra ang kalat
ng tsismis. This is sad because such actions are very counter-productive. 

>	Lagayan? Well,I have not encountered one here yet. I'm
>	sure this happens. 

>	To each his own. Hopefully things will get better, and
>	even if they don't, I still look forward to the day I
>	spend the rest of my life back HOME.

Agreed. I sincerely hope that things will get better back home.

> BTW, ano ang handicap mo sa golf?

Huh ?! Do you read the rec.sports.golf newsgroup, too ? If so, pare sumali ka
naman sa mga usapan. It's really a fun newgroup. Naglalaro ka rin ba ng golf ?
Aber, mga kwento tayo - I love talking about golf. As for my handicap, I used
to be a scratch golfer - each time I hit the ball I scratch my head (ay naku!).
Then I played a consistent 3-under game - yung bola ko palaging under the tree.
Seriously, my handicap is 10.

BTW, the World Amateur Golf Championship is going to be held here in Vancouver
and Pinas is sending a male and female team. Should be interesting to see them
play.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab)
Subject: Why PI ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:52:09 GMT



      Why is it that many of us still call our country PI ? Di ba 
  Republic of the Philippines dapat ? 



  ***********************************************************************
    Oh pag-ibig pagpasok sa puso ninuman, hahamakin ang lahat makamit
    ka lamang.
  ***********************************************************************
From: zax@kenpo.Corp.Sun.COM (Sonny Dionida,  Sun Network Operations Services)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Vetsin [MSG]<was: Fried Eggplant Recipe>
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: zax@kenpo.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: kenpo.corp.sun.com


|> In article <fragante.713640646@unixg.ubc.ca>, fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
|> In <1992Aug12.022700.3885@mksol.dseg.ti.com> joelq@mksol.dseg.ti.com (joel a quejada) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug12.022700.3885@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <fragante.713640646@unixg.ubc.ca> writes:

	[....lots of stuff deleted....]

|>  Here's my version (actually my wife's):
|>  5.  Ihalo ang ground beef habing binabati ang itlog, lagyan mo ng ground pepper,
|>  asin, at konting vetsin.
		     ^^^^^^

Most Filipino household have "vetsin" [MSG] in their kitchen and still uses
it for food flavoring.  I know we [Filipinos] learned it from the Chinese and 
Japanese, and some gourmet chefs also uses it.  My point is, MSG is not needed
in your food.  A food can be cooked and prepared, and still will taste good
without the addition of MSG.

I know, i cook without it and even with less salt.  It's up to the person who'll
eat the food to add "patis", they will add "patis" in their food anyway...once
they're addicted to it.  I try to avoid eating food with MSG in it, like Chinese
food or in Filipino restaurants, but it's almost totally impossible because it's
parts of the culinary ingredients.  I just know when the restaurant's food have 
too much MSG in it, i get a bad allergy reaction and the tastes become very bad.
Or i tell the waiter to tell cook not to add MSG on our order.  But i always
thought, hmmm...i might piss-off the cook, baka duraan ng plema ang pagkain ko.


---sonny
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: National Anthem
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:14:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.124327.17999@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab) writes:

|>     How about panatang makabayan......sige nga...

You asked...here goes:

Iniibig ko ang Filipinas,
Ito ang lupa kong hinirangan(?)
Ito ang tahanan ng aking lahi.
Ako'y kanyang kinukupkop at tinutulungan
  upang maging malakas, maligaya at kapakipakinabang.

Bilang ganti, diringgin ko ang payo nang aking mga magulang.
Susundin ko ang tungkulin ng aking paaralan.
Tutuparin ko ang mga tuntunin ng isang mamamayang kababayan 
  at masunurin sa batas.
Sisikapin ko'ng maging isang tunay na Pilipino sa isip,
  sa salita at sa gawa.

Boy, I haven't thought of this in ages!!!  Did I goof?
Everytime I repeat it, it seems like I missed a whole
paragraph?!?  Right after 'batas'...


-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Judge Dismisses More Cases Against Imelda
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:07:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.86210
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- A judge dismissed 11 more currency
charges against former first lady Imelda Marcos Thursday, saying a
recent order by President Fidel Ramos to lift foreign exchange
restrictions nullified them.
	The ruling by trial judge Manuel Muro brought to 14 the number of
charges against Mrs. Marcos to be thrown out and dealt another blow to
government efforts to recover billions of dollars the Marcoses allegedly
plundered from the nation.
	Muro ruled that a directive announced by Ramos Monday to remove all
foreign exchange regulations has repealed a law preventing Filipinos
from opening bank accounts abroad without the Central Bank's permission.
	The Ramos administration issued the directive in a bid to bolster
exporters and increase foreign investment. The order is expected to take
effect September 1.
	Of the more than 80 charges filed against Mrs. Marcos, 39 are
violations of the Central Bank circular.
	The 39 cases involve some $365 million allegedly being held by the
widow of ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos in secret Swiss bank accounts.
	The lifting of foreign exchange regulations ``extinguishes the right
to prosecute'' the cases, Muro said in a two-page ruling. ``The repeal
carries with it the deprivation of the court of jurisdiction over such
an offense,'' he said.
	``This court dismisses all the 11 cases...for not to do so opens this
court to charges of trying cases over which it has no more jurisdiction.
''
	Marcos' lawyer, Antonio Coronel, said the former first lady was 
``very happy'' when informed about the dismissal. ``She feels that in
the end, justice will prevail,'' Coronel said.
	Assistant chief state prosecutor Nilo Mariano said he was surprised
by the ruling but added state prosecutors would appeal the decision to
the Supreme Court.
	``This judge has been antagonistic to us from the beginning,''
Mariano said by telephone. ``He would not listen to our motions and
dismissed them outrightly.''
	Another judge has thrown out three currency charges agaisnt Mrs.
Marcos on the basis of technicalities.
	``We can amend the information and refile the dismissed cases,''
Mariano said.
	The former first lady, who failed in a bid for the presidency in the
May 11 elections, is accused of helping her husband loot the nation of
billions of dollars during his 20-year rule.
	The Marcoses were chased into exile in a civilian-backed military
revolt in 1986. Ferdinand Marcos died in Hawaii in 1989.
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Gov Allows Return of Marcos Body With Full Military Honors
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:15:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The body of Ferdinand Marcos will be
flown Sept. 1 from Hawaii to his northern home province for burial with
full military honors -- three years after the ousted dictator died in U.
S. exile, a government spokesman said Wednesday.
	Interior and Local Government Secretary Rafael Alunan said he reached
an agreement late Tuesday on the return of the body with former first
lady Imelda Marcos, ending months of negotiations between the government
and the Marcos family.
	``I am happy he is coming home finally,'' said Marcos' son,
Representative Ferdinand Marcos Jr. Mrs. Marcos was not immediately
available for comment.
	Alunan said the former first lady agreed in the meeting to a
government condition to fly her husband's corpse directly to Ilocos
Norte province, 250 miles north of Manila, on Sept. 1. He is scheduled
to be buried there after a traditional nine-day wake, being laid to rest
in time for his 75th birthday, Sept. 11.
	Marcos' body would be interred in his hometown of Batac along with
his mother, Josefa, who died after her son was forced into exile in a
1986 civilian-backed military revolt that ended his 20-year rule.
	Alunan said the government agreed to a request by the former first
lady to provide full military honors to the body of the former
president.
	``This agreement will be put into a memorandum of understanding for
coordination among various government agencies, including the department
of national defense, which will provide the necessary military honors,''
he said. ``This agreement is final.''
	Marcos died in 1989 in Honolulu, where his body temporarily lies in a
refrigerated crypt.
	Former president Corazon Aquino and her successor, President Fidel
Ramos, have banned a Manila burial for the late strongman, fearing his
body's presence might spark political turmoil.
	Rep. Marcos said the family would continue to work to move the body
to Manila eventually.
	``Were still hoping he will be buried in a plot of my mother's choice
in Tanay, Rizal (metropolitan Manila),'' he said. ``That's another thing
we have to finalize.''
	Mrs. Marcos, 63, returned from exile late last year and ran for the
Philippine presidency in the May 11 elections but finished fifth out of
seven candidates.
	She faces more than 80 criminal and civil suits for allegedly helping
her husband steal up to $5 billion from their country. Three of the
suits have been thrown out by a judge on technicalities.
	But Magtanggol Gunigundo, head of an agency tasked to recover the
alleged ill-gotten Marcos billions, said Wednesday the dismissed charges
could still be refiled in court.
	``Inasmuch as this is merely a dismissal on a technicality, these
(cases) can be refiled. So she will be back to square one,'' Gunigundo
told reporters.
From: g9235922@cs.uow.edu.au (Ronaldo S. Rebenque)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: HELP : New Cabinet Officials
Summary: Need Help on New Cabinet Officials
Keywords: Cabinet Officials
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:12:53 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia


	Could somebody post a list of the newly appointed Cabinet
officials.  Thanks in advance.

Ronaldo S. Rebenque
Dept. of Computer Science
U. of Wollongong
NSW, Australia