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From: mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (manchapora goutham)
Subject: SUMMER INTERNSHIP SOCIAL WORK
Summary: SOCIAL WORK SUMMER INTERNSHIP WANTED
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:54:33 GMT
Keywords: MENTAL HEALTH ..

Could anyone tell me if there are any summer internship positions 
available in the mental health field. I am a PhD student at the 
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign. I am interested in 
Chronic Mental Illness - work cooperatives, self help groups
 
 Please contact me at mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

 Thanks. Goutham
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Rate to Charge - LaTeX
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:39:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Latex

What would be an appropriate per page rate to charge for typesetting 
mathematics with LaTeX ?  Should I include a per equation charge ? Please 
respond to this account only. 
-David		
actize@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:20:35 GMT

pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:

>you're a salaried programmer and you don't get your product out the
>door on time because you leave at 5pm every day, your head will be one
>of the first to roll.

Because the bozo managers who know nothing about programming or design decide
that you can get the job done in x hours when it actually takes x*y
hours.  No thanks, salary != slavery.  If they can't budget and manage
then their heads should roll.

>When the time comes to put in 60+ hours is when the excitement
>happens! If you don't like it / can't cut it / think it's slavery,
>then it's time to examine career alternatives.

Yeah right.  I think I'd rather fight for what's right than cave in to
the almighty managerial staff.  I agree 100% with the original poster.

--
Jeff Burney
202-606-4570 jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov
NOAA/National Oceanographic Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: 4 Full/Time 8 Part/Time Major International Co. No-reloc needed
Keywords: Full Part International
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:58:34 GMT

[ this was posted on m.j.offered but is being followed up on m.j.misc]

This looks a lot like a franchise thing, not a job offer.  Look at the key
points together and figure it out.


larryc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Larry Calvert (Spokane)) writes:

>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,misc.entrepreneurs
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Relocation not necessary.
>Helping others (financially/physical health/mental health).
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Need to care about others.
>Need to be ready for a positive change in your work life with major benefits.

>**** Information packet available ****

>Driving interest in scalar waves, zero point energy, and virtual reality.
>Larry R. Calvert | lrc@mail.isc-br.com | Would you like to: FEEL GREAT, 
>ISC-Bunker Ramo  | Bus.   509-927-2060 | LOSE WEIGHT and keep it off, GET
>Spokane, WA USA  | Ham Radio     N7GIQ | RID OF STRESS with herbs? ask me.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: daleo@ssd.intel.com (Dale Ollila)
Subject: "How To" book on Contracting needed?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: misc.jobs.misc, biz.jobs.offered, biz.misc, misc.entrepreneurs, misc.jobs.contract
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:50:21 GMT


Hi Netters,

My partner and I are in the final stages of writing a book titled
"Independent Contracting -- A Primer".  As the title indicates,
this book provides the detailed steps a person should follow when
first making the transition from being an employed technical
professional (i.e., HW/SW engineer, programmer, technical writer, 
etc.) to being an independent contractor.

Though we (and many others) have a major investment of time in the 
project to this point, we are now facing the first of many monetary 
investments for printing, binding, advertising, and other marketing 
costs.  We are understandably nervous about spending this money 
without first having a better idea about the potential market size.

With this post I would like to hear (via Email or US Mail) from any 
of you that would be interested in this book (or even a similar book 
covering a different area). Please do not respond to the net unless 
you want to comment on a general interest topic. I will try to 
summarize any general interest responses and post them to the net. 
Indicate in your response whether you want a follow-up product 
description. If you do want the follow-up sales pitch, please indicate 
whether you prefer a hard copy (snail mail) or Email follow-up. I'll 
of course need your Email or regular mail address before I can reply.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Speaking only for myself. Not representing Intel in any way.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale Ollila        ! Independent Contracting! Noti, Oregon: We're not
EMail              ! P.O. Box 303           ! the End of the World, but
daleo@SSD.intel.com! Noti, OR 97461         ! we can see it from here
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mzenner@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Looking for temp work in UK.  HELP!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:05:49 GMT

Greetings all...
	 I am a student at a small New England Liberal arts college, in my
final year of Cognitive Scicnce studies, and am looking to spend the summer
working in the UK, preferably in the area around Lancaster University
(Lancaster).  If anyone has any idea about any way I could possibly do this,
I'd be eternally grateful to hear about it.  Any info re: job market, housing,
ANYTHING.  
	Thanks very much,
	Michael Zenner
	Hampshire College
	Amherst MA  01002
	mzenner@hamp.hampshire.edu

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:43:39 GMT

scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:

>would have taken a job there).  Moral: I will NEVER reveal my salary
>again!  This is the second time I did this and got burned.

>Now watch, I will hear from employers and hiring managers saying that
>this company was right for doing what they did.  Put yourself in my
>place.  I had to get the day off on Friday (the day of the intended
>interview).  I had to wait for arrangements to be made.  I return calls
>on my AT&T credit card paying for this wild goose chase (I have this
>ethical thing about doing this on my current employer's time).  This is
>not fair to me.  If you think someone is too expensive, discuss it up
>front and don't use it as an excuse.  Don't b.s. me!  I hate b.s.!  This
>will turn me off to your company far more than a low offer.  If you are
>not up front and honest with me now what should I expect in the future
>if I do take a job with your company?  Think about that.

They are *NOT* right in doing this.  You SHOULD post the name of the company.
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| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How dressed is "over dressed?"
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:21:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <1edpqvINNqrg@armory.centerline.com>, russo@centerline.com (Alan Russo) writes:
> 
> This is a question which may have gotten some coverage here before...
> 	I just recently had an inteview for a software development position...
> and I was BIG TIME over dressed.  I met with 3 people, and I could tell that I 
> made at least one of them uncomfortable.  I talked over my impressions with a 
> couple of people here at work whose opinions I trust, and they fell into 2 
> categories:
> 
> 	1) It is better to be over dressed than under-dressed
> 	2) Going to a software development position dressed like an investment
> 	   banker makes you look "junior"

	1), definately.  You should always dress nicely for an interview, it
says you care enough about the potential job to make an effort.

	Once you start working, dress like your co-workers (just a tad better
if you are looking to advance, a lot better if you are fast track :).

	When I interviewed I was in a suit, while almost all the workers were
in pants/short sleeves or jeans/polo style shirts.  It's just the way they
dressed.  (And the way I dress now :).  Ahhh, no more ties!  They look nice,
but sure get in the way when you're installing hardware.

> 	Okay.... I have 3 more interviews scheduled in the next couple of 
> weeks. One at a research institution, one at a consulting firm, and one for a 
> comercial development project.  I do have QE work experience, and I am looking 
> to move into development.  Though I am interviewing for junior positions, they 
> are not strictly speaking entry level... and I don't want to come across as 
> any more "wet behind the ears" than I have to.

	If you're really concerned, call and ask someone what their dress code
is (if any).  But IMO, a suit is never wrong for an interview (professional
positions).

> 	Here and the places I've interviewed at to date are casual work 
> environments, and I'm assuming that the other firms will be similar.  I guess 
> the questions comes down to these: Is a suit "inappropriate" when interviewing
> for a non-senior development position?  What is appropriate to convey the 
> "ideal" first impression?

	You could probably score big points with your potential boss by calling
and expressing your concerns about intimidating people if you overdress, and
ask what appropriate attire would be.  Shows (even more) interest and desire to
get the job.

Brett
"The opinions and views expressed here are strictly my own and do not 
necessarily reflect the official position of either the U.S. Air Force 
or its contractors."
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: CHALLENGING jobs - Was: Advice from a hiring manager on resumes
Keywords: advice challenge resume
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:39:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

pjm@access.digex.com (Paul Masline) writes:

>I must say that I agree with what you said 100%.  Although I do
>not like my current job, I do find it very challenging because I'm
>always having to learn something new.  It has given me a wide variety
>of experience.  However, I've found that in trying to look for a new
>job, most people that I have interviewed with want x number years
>experience doing the same work as found in the position they are
>trying to fill.  Your example at the end of your post is a good one.

So perhaps resumes should have:

Objective:      Something different than I am doing right now, please!


>I think most managers go for the person who can do the work in their
>sleep because they've done it for the past x years.  I know from the
>hiring that goes on in our company and talking with other managers I
>know, that the main reason for chosing Person A is they are less of a
>risk.  This whole situation makes trying to get into a different field

That, the economy, an uncertain future, downsizing, etc., they just don't
want to spend the time on someone who needs to learn to do the job, no
matter how fast a learner they are (something you just can't easily tell).

I believe that if this keeps on going, it will eventually bite them back.
Some people do have a greater tolerance for doing the "Same Ole Sh**" all
the time... especially if they are getting paid more for it.  As the number
of candidates like this gradually dwindles, and the salaries paid to them
increases, AND as there come to be fewer and fewer of them as new things
come out that NO ONE knows much about (yet), they are going to end paying
an awful lot to just a few individuals.

In the long term it is bad for their business.  But of course they are
making all their decisions for the short term.

How about:

Objective:      A position in a company that really does long term planning

Hmmm, they will probably THINK they are doing that already.
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| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ascaplan@quads.uchicago.edu (amanda susan elizabeth caplan)
Subject: Mac Developer seeking Chicago Employment
Followup-To: poster 
Reply-To: ascaplan@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:07:13 GMT


I am a software engineer with 4 years Macintosh development experience in the
scientific arena (data acquisition and waveform analysis software).
I am looking for a Mac development position with a fast
paced, aggressive development team in Chicago.

I've met with little success locating opportunities in the local papers, and 
would be grateful for suggestions.  Does anyone know of Macintosh Developers
who are hiring?  Is there a developer community or user group in the area
I should become familiar with?  Could someone suggest a reputable recruting
agency with experience in placing Macintosh developers? 

Thank you for any advice you can offer.

Craig Ewington
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: konopka@ils.nwu.edu (Ray Konopka)
Subject: Looking for Companies that Use Turbo Pascal for Development
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: il
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:55 GMT


The subject says it all.  I would like to get a list of companies
in the Chicagoland area that use Turbo Pascal for development.

Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Ray Konopka
konopka@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Impressions of Keane, Inc.
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


Would any reader who works - or worked - for Keane, Inc. please e-mail
to me their impressions of the company?  Thanks.

Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.





 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: How dressed is "over dressed?"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:30:43 GMT

mrose@prufrock.stsci.edu (Mike Rose) writes:

>Is there anyone out there who would be "intimidated" by someone
>interviewing in a suit?

I've grown up with the perspective that anyone who overdresses is trying
to compensate for something that is lacking somewhere else.  For salesmen,
that might mean the product they are selling is not that good.  They know
a lot of people WILL buy a product based on your APPEARANCE of success,
rather than on the quality of the product.

On a job interview, you are selling yourself.  To people who can and want
to evaluate the product, then sell it to them.  But if you are trying to
sell yourself to someone that judges by appearance (do you really?) then
the overdressing is required.

However I believe I will setting for the flexible compromise:  wear a
sport coat, nice pants and shirt, and tie.  Then judge the situation and
remove the tie if needed.
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| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: hasker@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker)
Subject: Re: New group?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:12:45 GMT

igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs) writes:

>I think there should be a group (I know it would have light traffic)  
>called something like misc.jobs.offered.noncomputer.

I would think the right thing to do would be to create a
misc.jobs.offered.computer group.  Otherwise, what happens to the
.noncomputer group when people start offering jobs on the net in lots
of other areas?

While .computer people would have to read the base group for some time,
hopefully the computer-related jobs would migrate to the right place
eventually.

Rob
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:06:16 GMT

In article <jburney.722294435@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov>, jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:
> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
> 
> >you're a salaried programmer and you don't get your product out the
> >door on time because you leave at 5pm every day, your head will be one
> >of the first to roll.
> 
> Because the bozo managers who know nothing about programming or design decide
> that you can get the job done in x hours when it actually takes x*y
> hours.  No thanks, salary != slavery.  If they can't budget and manage
> then their heads should roll.

If you tell your boss it will take x*y hours far enough in advance,
then your ass is covered. It is then up to your boss to either get you
some additional man hour help, or extend your deadline. Otherwise, I
agree, *his* head will roll.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Sunday, 22 Nov 1992 14:42:14 EST
From: <KMING@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: New group?
 <1992Nov18.220052.17251@athena.cs.uga.edu>

A good idea to set up a new group for noncomputer majors.
mike ke
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.201518.7089@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:

>
>While your post is slightly amusing, I'll be honest and admit that the
>original post looked like one of the more appealing ones.
>
>You're posting from a .edu account, so perhaps you don't know that
>working 60+ hours a week is sometimes required to get the job done. If
>you're a salaried programmer and you don't get your product out the
>door on time because you leave at 5pm every day, your head will be one
>of the first to roll.
>
>When the time comes to put in 60+ hours is when the excitement
>happens! If you don't like it / can't cut it / think it's slavery,
>then it's time to examine career alternatives.

It depends on other factors.   For instance, is one a salaried
employee being paid for only 40 hours a week with no compensation
of any sort?  Is the 60+ hour week an occasional deadline race
or the actual work week?

The combination of a 60-hour work week and 40-hour paycheck
would chase me away from almost any job.  After all, who
wants to work a half-time job for nothing?

I declined to interview further with a company that advertised
on the net after I and a friend of mine added up the clues
that pointed to that type of working conditions.


-- 
Paul Ortega			|  "Would you believe two cops
2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105      |   in a rowboat?" - Maxwell Smart 
Austin, TX 78758		|_________________________________
(512) 832-9197			ortega@cactus.org
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:7769 misc.jobs.offered:13833
From: olsenc@carson.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: W A N T E D
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:50:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov19.025058.19250
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


                   WANTED

Persons for PC support of Northwest based resort company's Santa Clara,
Sacremento, and Bellingham sites.

Job would include being on call during site business hours (Tue-Thurs
3:00pm to 10:30pm and Fri-Sat 9:00am to 6:00pm) in order to rectify
any PC or application problems which might arise.

Payment form and amount negotiable.

If interested, please contact Mark Weaver @ 1-800-722-3487.

-Mark
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for temp work in UK.  HELP!
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:41:45 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.230549.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> mzenner@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Greetings all...
>	 I am a student at a small New England Liberal arts college, in my
>final year of Cognitive Scicnce studies, and am looking to spend the summer
>working in the UK, preferably in the area around Lancaster University
>(Lancaster).  If anyone has any idea about any way I could possibly do this,
>I'd be eternally grateful to hear about it.  Any info re: job market, housing,
>ANYTHING.  
>	Thanks very much,
>	Michael Zenner
>	Hampshire College
>	Amherst MA  01002
>	mzenner@hamp.hampshire.edu

As someone said recently on soc.culture.british, have you considered
skiing in the Sahara Desert, or perhaps sun tanning in Antarctica in
June, as alternatives to working in the United "unemployment has just
risen for the 29th consecutive month" Kingdom?

Good luck.

Paul
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: yil@engr.ucf.edu (Yilmaz Cengeloglu)
Subject: HELP: HOW TO PROVE PERMENANT RESIDENCY TO THE EMPLOYER.
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:00:48 GMT



	Hi, 

	Currently, I have a job offer and the company  requires
	permenant residency. They call me and ask 
	copy of my green card which I did not get yet.  But
	I have permanent residency visa number and work permit
	which is stamped to the I-94 form.  

	I do not have any kind of official paper that CLEARLY 
	states I am in process of getting green card. 

	Do you think giving  Alian Number is enough to prove
	permanent residency.  

	if anyone had same experience, please give me some 
	suggestion.


					Sincerely yours,

	             				Yilmaz

					yil@engr.ucf.edu



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc