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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:04:57 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <boing.723864873@mcl> boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian) writes:
>In <1992Dec4.153607.26295@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith) writes:
>
>>>
<stuff deleted>
>>>  I guess thats probably not what you wanted to hear (the 57Mbit/sec figure
>>>is  less than the 486/localbus figure of 100Mbit/sec).  However, do keep in
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>100Mbits?? you sure on that..? sure its not 100MBytes??
>
>	WHOA!!!   We need a reality CHECK!!!  ^^^^^^^
>
>	That's 100 megs. or equal to an entire Quantum 105?  Or
>	a hell of a  lot of info / sec.  If it can I'll sell the 
>	Amiga and get one of those!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
>
>
>	boing

Yeah, I seriously doubt it too, since VME bus speeds are in the range 
of 40MB/Sec at best....And we all know what they're used for and how
expensive VME based systems can be.

So I don't believe a PC system costing under $2000 US  can be 100MB/Sec. 
Anyone got some _real_ proof? Also, are you talking about the VESA 
standard or some proprietary setup?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: lee@rose.brandeis.edu (charles lee)
Subject: Re: I need the new 68040.library!
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:37:43 GMT

twang@csc.albany.edu (Teddy Wang) writes:

>Can someone send me a copy of the new 68040.library?  I bought a Fusion Forty
>a while back (version 36.2) and SysInfo tells me that it's not not doing the
>68882 emulation properly...

Hey, could someone send it to me also? (we're talking about the 2.1 
release of the 68040 library, right?)

The new setpatch would be nice also, as GVP told me that that fixed the
DMA problem with the G-Force 040 I have with the A3000 SCSI controller...

Thanks all.

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From: titus@dallas.sil.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:43:36 CST
Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics, Dallas Center

All of this talk about using PAL as WCS (Writeable Control
Store) sounds interesting.  Actually, though, the idea of
using WCS to emulate another processor is "old hat;"
Burroughs (one of the parents of the current Unisys) did
that one one better with the old B1800 series:  they wrote
several language-specific instruction sets and then wrote
microcode interpreters for the respective instruction sets. 
The result was that each language (COBOL, BASIC, FORTRAN,
PASCAL, etc.) ran using an instruction set that was
optimized for that specific language.

BTW--a bit of trivia.  Does anyone remember the original use
of the 8-inch floppy (Flexible Disk, I believe, in IBM
terminology)?  If my memory serves me correctly, it was
first used as the load device for the WCS on IBM Series I
machines.  So much for the history lesson.

As a VAX user and Amiga-phile, I am excited about the
possibility of having an Amiga with "Alpha Inside" :-),
perhaps we will see an Amiga running, on the same screen,
AmigaDOS, MSDOS (via a BridgeBoard), Apple System 7 (via an
A-Max board), Amiga Unix, and OpenVMS.  Just think, double
click on the appropriate icon for the OS/virtual machine to
run whatever application you need at the moment.

Eat your heart out users of lesser computers!!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: ekarlin@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Hooking up an external Syquest
Originator: ekarlin@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:19:35 GMT



	I should be receiving my new syquest drive in a couple of days, and
	I would like any tips on installing it before I get it.

	My current system setup is:

		A2000HD ECS 2.04 rom
		CBM 2630
		CBM 2091 w/ 52M - address 6
		Quantum 105M    - address 2   in the 5.25 bay
		GVP I/O Extender

	Anyway- I know that one of the HD has the terminating resistors
	removed, but I'm not sure which one.

	My question is how should the resistors be for the syquest.

	I ordered the internal version, and an external box for it, so I'll
	be hooking the syquest to the external 25pin connector on the 2091.

	Any suggestions?

	Thanks,
	 Erik Karlin
	 ekarlin@ic.sunysb.edu
From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up deal
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:59:46 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
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kopnicky@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes:
: 
:  >> I hear the powerup price of the 4000 '040 version is somthing like $2600
:  >
:  >With that price, I guess you get to keep your previous Amiga?
: 
:  That's ridiculous!  I can get the 4000 for $2750 as it stands.  A

What ??!!! 4000 cost 2100 UK pounds about $4000 !!?

Thats it Im moving to the US ! ;-)

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
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From: dac@dacami.cmhnet.org (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Marble Madness
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:53:33 EST
Organization: Me? Organized?  Ha!

  I have heard of people running this game (Marble Madness) under 2.04, and
under expanded machines.  I have an Amiga 2000 with3 megs of RAM (1M chip,
2M fast on an old Supra RAM 2000 board), a 40 meg Quantum mounted on an old
GVP hard card, and KS / WB 2.04.  However, the game simply will not start.
It causes Very odd crashes and never gets to the title screen.  It also sets
my clock to 2020, which has caused many a BMS timeout.  Argh.  So what is
wrong?  Is one of my hardware devices incompatible?  Which one?  Is there
something I can do to remedy the situation?  Oh, the GVP ROM's are v1.0,
autobooting.

            David

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: That little half-line of flicker on my A3000
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:39:31 GMT

>>>>   Okay, I've been pretty patient with my computer for some time now with
>>>>regard to that half a line that flickers on my Amiga 3000 screen...but I'd
>>>>really like to find out if there's anything that I can do about it.  I
>>>>think I remember hearing that there was a program or something which could
>>>>take care of it, but I'm really not sure.  Is this just my monitor, or is
>>>>it just a "side effect" of the Amber?
>>>

[Lots deleted]

Well, all I did was max out the overscan, then pull back the top edge of the
display by ONE pixel in the overscan preferences editor. I then run border-
blank and there is NO flicker on any line and I still get 720x480 NTSC.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Subject: Re: GVP Series 2 controller in A4000
Reply-To: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:14:54 GMT

In article <jKS8s*1H0@prolix.apana.org.au>, dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:

>I don't have a SCSI cable to mount the drive in the other
>internal drive bay, so I thought I would ask others who have an
>A4000 AND a GVP Series II, what their opinion is; is it sensible
>to put the interface card and drive in my A4000 as one unit?

I don't have an A4000, but I do have an A3000 and I've got a GVP mounted just
as you describe.  It's been running without a problem for over a year now.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A500 keyboard LED flash problem
From: rdbrown@ualr.edu (Robert D. Brown)
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:19:21 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I have an A500 that, on powerup or warm reset, the caps lock LED
stays on a bit too long at first, the starts a slow single-flash
series. The machine will boot from a floppy correctly but the
keyboard is totally unresponsive.

Any ideas what might be causing this?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: 35ns, and screen modes ?
Keywords: 35ns
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:49:00 GMT

I have heard that the new aga chips do have a 35ns pixel clock.
And as it has been explained to me you use this formula
(1/pixel clock ns)*(1/pixels on screen)=fps or hz

So with some math I was looking at the 800x600 screen modes and it
seems there is more room there than a 36 fps screen( ie 72 interlae)

you have:
    1          1       1   
-------   *  ----  *  ---  =  59.5 fps
35 ns        800      600

So isn't it concievable to have atleast a 50hz noninterlace 800x600 
screen?

What part of this equation am I missing?

Decides the fact you might need a special multi-sync for it.

Any replies would be appreciated.

Martin

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From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: GVP Series 2 controller in A4000
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:15:47 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

I have my A4000. That's the qool part of the message.

The internal drive is pretty fast too. [sysinfo 3.01 reports just
over 1mbyte/second raw transfer rate]. 

I have a 200Mb Quantum pro, mounted on a GVP series II
controller, that I would love to move over to my A4000, but I'm
too chicken to do so, because the cards in the A4000 are mounted
horizontally, not vertically.

I figure that the drive will be the 'correct' way up [i.e. not
upside down] if I did leave it mounted on the card, but surely
the inexorable pull of gravity would do horrid things to the
connector itself.

I don't have a SCSI cable to mount the drive in the other
internal drive bay, so I thought I would ask others who have an
A4000 AND a GVP Series II, what their opinion is; is it sensible
to put the interface card and drive in my A4000 as one unit?

Email welcome.

Dac
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From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Parallel ports
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:50:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: k9.doctor.062p
Organization: Mostly Harmless...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16g (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_55454c6a@piraya.bad.se> Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:

[Stuff edited out. Chomp!]

> Have a look at the MultiFaceCard2 from BSC, it has two parallel ports and two 
> high-speed serial ports. It's a Zorro II card, and you can plug in up to 8 
> cards for a maximum of 16 serial and 16 parallel ports. I have one here in my 

I count 5 Zorro II slots in a 2000, not sure about the 3000T mentioned in the
edited out part, but fitting 8 cards in 5 slots would be a neat trick. :-)

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From: Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 Custom Chips..
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:27:18 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

> In article <Bz03zC.C51@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N.
> Barrett) writes:
> >
> >   Yeah, right.  It would be VERY easy for Commodore to offer a
> motherboard
> >upgrade for A3000 systems, but they are not going to.  Years ago,
> Commodore
> >could have offered motherboard upgrades for A1000 systems, but didn't
> bother
> >to do so then, either.  Commodore has never offered a motherboard upgrade
> for
> >any Amiga.  Why should they start with the A4000?
> >
> >---
> >| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> >--------------------------------------------------
>
>     While it might be easy for Commodore to offer a motherboard upgrade
> for a given system I can see no way this could be done econimically.
> Consider the following, in order for a motherboard swap to be economical
> for Commodore, the new motherboard would have to be from a currently
> mass produced product, then there would be no re-engineering costs
> involved.  Furthermore, this new board would have to have it's ports and
> connectors in the same place as they were on the machine it's supposed
> to swap into.  Consider the 3000 and 4000.  In order for a motherboard
> swap to be economical for Commodore the 4000 motherboard would have
> to have the same form factor as the motherboard for the 3000.  The
> mouse ports would have to be on the right side (instead of the left),
> all the ports in the rear of the machine would have to be in the same
> place, and the 4000 would need a scsi controller.  Clearly this is not
> the case.  Finally, in order for your new computer to be protected by it's
> 1-year warrenty and Commodore Direct service the swap would have to be
> performed by an Authorized Commodore Dealer who would charge you $65 an
> hour for the work.  After you have bought the new board (you don't
> expect the new board to be free do you?), what have you (the consumer)
> saved?
>
>                NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> So what's the big deal?
>                                        --George
I hear Commodore plans a powerup deal early next year (Jan/Feb '93)
they will allow you to give them the first page of your Amiga User Manual
(you didnt throw it away or lose it, did you??), and you will get
significantly reduced prices on a 4000 or 1200 system.. maybe even on
the '030 or EC030 version of the 4000...
I hear the powerup price of the 4000 '040 version is somthing like $2600
I dont know if this is true or not, but it sounds good...

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From: dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Salamon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Golden Gate II
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>o Is the GGII a Zorro II-specific configuration? And if so, have any tests
>  been conducted to get an idea as to the relative performance of a VGA
>  card using this interface? (ie. how well would an ATI Ultra Pro run
>  for instance?)

The GoldenGateII is indeed a Zorro II specific card.  I'm not sure what you
mean by "relative" performance here-- relative to what?  Since the Amiga
does not (YET!) have RTG, there is no way to display the workbench through
a VGA card and compare to the native Amiga display.  For now, most people are
interested in displaying still pictures.

>o Is there any possibility of a Zorro III-specific version of the GGII?
>  And if so, would this provide a significant difference in performance?

There is no plan to make a Zorro III version of this, because there is no
point.  AT PC plug-in cards can only operate at 8 MHz and 16 bits.  EISA
cards have better performance, but are quite expensive and not so widely
available.  Better to buy an Amiga specific Zorro III card than an EISA,
since I would suspect that the price is not that different.  Now, Localbus
might be better, but right now there is no Localbus standard. 

>o Will the card be released commercially?

Possibly, but I am a student and I don't want to do this full time.  I may
try to sell the design to someone else to manufacture.

>However, we all know that the most elegant solution is RTG. Assuming that
>this will materialize at some point, how difficult would it be to write
>libraries for existing PC display adaptors? Are any limited programs
>available at the moment which would allow you to display a static image?

I don't think the libraries would be difficult at all, once RTG is available.
Several GoldenGateII owners say they are interested in writing a driver to
display still images.  I suspect one will be available soon.

David

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: 3-Button Mouse Questions
    <7628@stan.xx.swin.oz.au>
Organization: University of Keentookey
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:36:10 GMT

>To be fair though, the Boing! mouse I first received had to go straight
>back with a similar fault (although it was the circuitry, not the cord), but
>that can be (probably) attributed to poor treatment on its way from USA to
>Australia. Other than that, the mouse has been operating for about 8-9
>months without a hitch, works great under acceleration, feels really good
>(responsiveness and handling). The 3 buttons are a bonus too, with my
>middle one currently enchancing my window sizing/movement capabilities.
>FInally, the Boing! had a much longer cord than the GI (important for a left
>hander with a A500....).
 
I'll throw my $.02 on the conversation.. :)
 
 
 
I've been using a Boing! mouse for QUITE some time and I love it..  I never
have to wash it's privates (my original had to have the little wheels cleaned
constantly) and it's smooth and responsive, as the previous poster stated.
 
I have *never* had any trouble out of it..  The mouse pad can even get
pretty nasty and the mouse has no problem tracking, at all...  I thought
that when it got dirty, it would have problems, but it doesn't...
 
I WOULD like to know how to use the middle button for Snap, but no biggie..
(I don't use the middle button..  I just liked the feel of the mouse.. :)
 
>
>>Disclaimer: No I don't work for GfxBase, I'm just a BOING!-mouse fan.
>
>Nor do I, and so am I (respectively) :-)
 
Nobody with a job here either. :) :)
 
>regards,
>Darren.
>
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From: pault@terapin.com (Paul Tibbals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:35:11 PST
Organization: BBS

Commodore has released a printer driver for the DJ500c.  Creative Focus also
sells one commercially that does a somewhat better job (I have it).  But
Commodore's is free at any dealer that has it together.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: CMI Accelerator and Phoenix board - Help!
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:23:51 GMT

I bought a CMI 14MHz 68000 accelerator from a guy off the net. It is designed
to work on an A1000.

I have a Phoenix board in my A1000 and this accelerator does not work at all.
All I get is a black screen.

Is there a fix? or do I advertise it in comp.sys.amiga.marketplace?

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 Custom Chips..
Date: 9 Dec 92 16:01:38 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <gSQ=ltA@engin.umich.edu> milamber@engin.umich.edu (Daryl Scott Cantrell) writes:
>
>  If I understand correctly, the A4000 custom chips are on a removable
>"subboard".  Is this true?  

No, only the processor is on an own procesor module. The "custom chip
subboard" is identical to the motherboard.

>If so, is the same true of the A1200?

No, everything surface mounted (except KS ROM) on the motherboard.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: The "cool" fan debate 
From: dseaman@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:12:13 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces


>>Various coments/concerns regarding the sucky/blowy 4000 fan deleted...
>>
>>I'm pretty sure the fan would work best if it was blowing out of the 4000.
>>either way may be ok.  
>>What I find interesting is the lack of a CBM response to the question.
>>
>>This leaves me to assume (uh-oh) that commodore forgot to write it into
>>the spec for the power supply. (We have done that here before) So there is 
>>no correct answer they can give.  
>>Maybe they assumed the power supply vendor knew that commodore sucks? 
>>  (heh heh, I couldn't resist)
>>I haven't had a lick of trouble with my replacement 4000 (yea!) and it has
>>been on about 60 hours total now.
>>

It is best to create a positive pressure enclosure. Thus, have the fan
pulling air in, no blowing it out. That way you can put a filter on
the fan which will keep the inside of the computer cleaner. Having the
fan blowing air out makes it pull in air from mainly the floppy
drive(s). This can cause dust build-up on the heads and mechanisms.


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