From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.232710.14966@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu
(Teck Loh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.002550.2783@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>...
>>Well.  Gee.
>>What exactly could Mr. Chua mean by "tragic turn if Japan..." and
>>"severe misunderstandings..."?  <sarcasm on>  Like duh.  I haven't
>>a clue.  <sarcasm off>
>>Come on, Mr. Chua, we both know what you mean.  You don't like
>>Japan's enlarging role as peacekeeper in the region, and you don't
>>like Japan flexing it's military might overseas.  You think that Japan
>>just might grab some land.
>>But what I'm saying is that's where you are wrong.  Japan is among the
>>least likely of any nation in Asia to wield its military forces to
>>injure another nation.
>>As for your original posting, I read it a couple of times, in great
>>disbelief.  Don't try to portray Japan and China as being on
>>morally equivalent ground and that both have pluses and minuses.
>>China is far worse.
>>You should admit that no land where there is a majority of Chinese-cu
>>is there a democracy in the sense of the ideals of the Bill of
>>Rights.  That includes Singapore.  If a country, like China,
>>has both un-democractic values and ominous military forces, then that
>>country poses the greatest danger for "severe misunderstanding".
>
>I think you are confused with the different chinese groups that are involved in
>WWII. There are four groups which I can think of:
>1. Mainland chinese 2. Taiwanese  3. oversea chinese that are directly affected
>by the war. 4. Oversea chinese that are not directly affected. I believe that
>malaysian chinese belongs to group 3.

What kind of crap is this?

The "overseas Chinese" are _not_ Chinese.  They are Americans, French, etc.
I just "love" it when a Chines-cu twit lumps them all under the label
Chinese.  Long ago, Koreans were Chinese-ge.  Ever further back, Koreans
were African-ge.  But then, a Chinese-cu can't understand, can he?

By the way, some Taiwanese would be insulted because you, Mr. Loh, insisted
that they are Chinese.

>As the Japanese were having war with the
>mainland chinese, oversea chinese was the main target during the war. Without
>being able to defend themselves, thousands or million (??) of them has been
>killed, tortured, rape,etc.

That is bad.

At least as bad is the 100 million people killed by the Chinese.
Some of them were baby girls strangled by their Chinese paretns.

The Chinese have _never_ offered an apology for what they did.

>Is it so bad to ask for an apology if one of your
>friends or relative was affected?  I don't think you understand the sentiment
>of this group.

I don't think Mr. Loh understands hypocrisy.

Japan already apologized for the war.  What Chinese-cu twits want is
for Japan to acknowledge specific details like the specific number
killed in Nanjing.

Before we go so far as to demand this kind of acknowledgement from
the Japanese, let's demand an apology from the Chinese for the
100 million that they killed.  Let's demand an apology from the
Chinese for siding with North Korea to kill American boys during the
Korean war; North Korea was attempting to seize South Korea by brute force.

In fact, the USA has never asked China for an apology.  Further,
the Chinese have never once, not _ONCE_, offered an apology
in an official capacity for the 100 million that the Chinese
killed, victims including Tibetans, Taiwanese, infant girls, American
servicemen, etc.

Has anyone even _once_ heard of an official Chinese ceremonial
in which the Chinese apologized for their brutality?

>...
>As I mentioned above, this group of chinese does not support the action of the
>communist chinese. The killing of the Tibetans,etc should be another independent discussion.  What you are trying to say is that if the communist chinese does
>not apologise, why should the japanese.

What I'm saying is that the Chinese are hypocritical savages.  As
long as Mr. Loh is lumping all the Chinese today (in the way that
he lumps the Japanese together to take collective responsibility for WWII),
I'll assume his ignorant reasoning for a few more sentences.

Basically, the Chinese asking for a special apology from the Japanese
would be like Nazi Germany, just after gasing 6 million Jews, asking for
an apology from the USA for accidentally bombing a German school yard.

>Nihongun no zankokusa-wa wasurette-wa ikemasen
>Demo watashitachi-wa urusu koto-ga dekimasu

We must never forget the brutality, ignorance, and savagery with which
the Chinese killed 100 million people in the 20th century.  We must never
forget that the Chinese joined North Korea in killing American boys
about 5 years after the USA had lost millions of lives in the Pacific
to halt the Japanese advance into China.

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