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From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Clinton and the Mideast
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:49:22 GMT
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.

benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes:

>astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>In defence of israeli occupation of Lebanon..
>>faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
>In defence of the SYrian government..

>Sorry to intervene here, but it is obvious that you are both right
>in your criticism of Syria and Israel (respectively) but you are wrong
>on your defence of your side..

>The Israeli government is very hungry for territory and history
>has shown that they do not relinquish any Land unless they are
>forced to do so (either by a superior force as was the case for
>Sinai in 1956 and in 1978, by Eisonhower and Carter respectively,
>or by local resistance as was the case in Lebanon in 1985.

How about in 1967, when Israel offered to return virtually all the
captured land in return for peace (but had its offer summarily
rejected by the famous three no's at Khartoum), or 1973, when Israel
returned significan amounts of land, both in the Sinai and Golan
Heights, in the expectation that it would lead to peace.
(Unfortunately, its hopes were dashed both times.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Arabic in its native script on the net
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Keywords: ASCII, Arabic script, editor, news reader
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 6 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes since the new moon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:12:00 GMT

taHiyyaat

Most of us at one point in time have used transliteration to communicate in 
Arabic. 

By Arabic, I mean the Arabic character set also shared by Farsi, Urdu and other
languages.

Is there an Arabic editor/mailer/news reader in use on some site on the Net ??

alex khalil alex@dt.uh.edu
U. of Houston-Downtown
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 18:44:56 CDT
From: <U36627@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is a real freedom?

I'm interested in the subject of freedom in different context, but nonetheless
relevant.  Currently, I'm working on my M.A. degree on transition to democracy
in Jordan.  If you have an opinion on this subject, please let me know.
This invitation is also for everyone who reads this message.

                     Thank you,
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Please Shut up Nabeel
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:03:40 GMT
Organization: Carleton University


   Salam to eligible people.
   
   Originally the original article was an email message but I
thought it may benefit the reader to let them know what
"mean and miserable" Jordanian citizen I was so that they
take care when reading my "sick" posts.

   Two (at least) Jordanian members of Parliament are behind
bars. Does anyone deny? Be it fair, be it unfair it's all
rock'n'roll to me.

   Radwan and Co. Int'l, if you know anything about me show
it clearly. Otherwize, if you were just flexing your tongue,
mission accomplished, I learned you have one!

   I am not hiding behind religion; I am revealing those who
do. If you think your relation to the Pres of Parliament or
any intelligence officers may hurt me, then try your luck.
My face is clear and revealed, the scars are just caused by
your near sight.

**

P.S. Any reader can look up the last three issues of
the French-based Al-Moharrer newspaper to see whether 
I lied or not.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: sal@IASTATE.EDU (Selahattin Dibooglu)
Subject: Name for a boy
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:04:34 GMT

How about  Antar as in Antar bin Shaddad
           Zeer as in Zeer abu Layla al-Muhalhil
           Qays (I forgot the name of my hero):-)


Selahattin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mazuair@rodan.acs.syr.edu (mansour)
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:53:00 EDT

In article <1992Sep29.092050.1328@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu <Tue Sep 29 13:24:17 1992> writes:
>
>>>3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
>>
>>	That's 100% true - especially after the Gulf War - and
>>	I have many people to support this.
>>Anisa
>
>	Could some one explain the reason for that? What are they affraid of?
>
>Bashir Mubaied

Well, don't beleive every thing posted in this group, some of it is garbage.
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:16:30 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>In article <nabeel.717403664@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>>
>>   The other name which I want for my son, if I get married 
>>-- God forbid -- is Hisham. I just love it. (I do not care 
>>what it means.)

>What do you mean --God forbid--?

>That is very strange thing for an Arab man to say ... are you
>a Muslim?  Don't you know how much it is encouraged for people
>to get married?  Allah has a second half waiting for you out
>there somewhere - it is just a matter of when he wants you to
>find her - :-).

>How are you going to have zareer?

   Since I am an engineer, I think of it practically. The world in
the mean time is a very bad place to have kids. It is a responsibility.
(I know (or imagine) it is fun too!) I can not guarantee that I can
manage that responsibility. Because this matter is so much serious,
the right decision is not to take the risk. However, based on my
past experience in managing things, I predict that I will most likely
act irresponsibly like always ... and get married ... and regret it!

   Secondly, according to my current drafts, my better half is
physically and psychologically unrealizable. I hope some time
I may arrive at a realizable "design." You are free to wish me
luck.

>And Hisham is a very beautiful name - I believe it means,
>the people from Sham(s) - Syria.

   (I know it is beautiful, I always had a good taste -- and that is
the problem :-), however, thanks for the compliment!) Hisham is
from "hashama" which means smash. I think it has a relation to
generousity (like Hashim) since a generous guy smashes his fortune
for people. I am sure it has nothing to do with Sham, this is
Arabic, not Hebrew "HaSham."

>Good choice - so you are Abu Hisham - or are you going to be
>insha'Allah one day ...

   Regardless, I already accept to be called with this title.

>Anisa (Ohmjihad)

   Cool it down, Anisa!

**
From: ahashim@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ahmed M. Hashim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: q
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:38:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: spartan.1992Sep30.143844.4996
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Assalam Alaykum Br. Mohamed:
   In Canada I have meet brothers who are Mazegh (Berber is a wrong term) and
to tell the truth I have never seen anyone who is more fit in the discription
of the muslim brotherhood.  But, the Mazeghs who think of themselves as
Mazeghs first and muslims second are very difficult to deal with just like
the nationalists arabs.  I think the only way we can love each other is by
having an ISLAMIC state of MIND. 

May Allah forgive us all. Wasalam Alaykum

YOUR BROTHER IN ISLAM, Ahmed Hashim

~r tag
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: LC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:25:36 GMT

In article <3874@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <nabeel.717403664@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:

>Good choice - so you are Abu Hisham
>Anisa (Ohmjihad)

Does this mean it is hopeless between you too?  :) :D :0 :_] {) &%*&^%^&%
No compromise? HishamolJJihadi not will not do?.

jle  Abu-jle-Jr :)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:49:45 GMT

Speaking of girls' names:

What can you tell me about the name 'Raiyah' (I'm not sure about the spelling). 
I really like that name, and I was wondering, is there some meaning behind it,
or is it just something that Queen Noor came up with; an Arabic-sounding
American thing?
From: ahashim@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ahmed M. Hashim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Islam and Science
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:15:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: spartan.1992Sep30.211548.16593
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Dear Brother:
Assalam Alaykum,
I don't know if you have considered reading the famous book on the subject
whoch is called "The Bible, the Quran and Science" By Morice Bockie (sp.).

I also have a paper on embryology in the quran by a canadian doctor. If
you want a copy I can mail it to you .  By the way this doctor reverted to 
Islam.  Alhamdulilah.

+--------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
| s8437600@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca         |     GOD is Great.     |
|          Brock University                  |      Allahuakbar      |
|        St. Catharines, Ontario             +-----------------------+
|               L2S 3A1                      |" I have not created   |
|                CANADA                      |  jin and ens except   |
|                ******                      |  to worship Me.     " |
+--------------------------------------------+-----------------------+

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From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME ! QUIZ #2
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:03:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep30.200341.21030
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Sep30.053401.23649@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>
>Quiz #2 for the Arabic Poetry Enthusiasts:
>
>
>Who wrote the following:
>
>Banat su'adu faqalbi al-yauma matbulu
>Mutayyamun ithraha lam yufda makbulu
>Wa ma su'adu ghadatal-bayni ithrahalu
>'Ila al-ghannu ghadhidu at-tarfi makhulu
>
>What was the occasion for this poem and the story behind it?
>
>Sandra.

I believe it's Ka'ab Bin Zuhair Bin Abi Sulma.  But forgot the story behind it
(I only remember it's something to do with praising the Prophet Muhammad SAAW).

Salaam, 
Ahmad
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4027 soc.culture.iranian:8435 soc.culture.turkish:10320
From: samir@sphinx.rtp.dg.com (M. Yasser Samir)
Subject: Re: Panel Discussion: Anti-Arab and Ant
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 19:25:36 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC



         In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful


In article <22413@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

|> I hope that someone posts a transcript from this panel
|> discussion.  It should be quite informative.  I hope
|> that the West can improve in this area.
|> 
|> I also hope, however, that the panelists have a reasonable
|> perspective on the religious freedom and tolerance that
|> they do have in the West.  This is relatively lacking
|> in the Arab and Muslim world.  Indeed, are anti-X defamations
|> (where X is a non-Arab ethnicity or a non-Muslim religion)
|> given much concern by the panelists?
|> --
|> Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
|> Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
|> Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
|> The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.


	I don't know what it's going to take to stop that typical "BROKEN RECORD"
that we (Muslims) keep hearing about the West all the time.  Do people out there
for God's sack read history, there own history ?!!  Do people for God's sack
know how this country was found and what was the price, and who did pay that
price ?!!  All we keep hearing is "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM", "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM".  Just
like a parrot, who keeps repeating words sometimes, and he doesn't know what it
means.  Do people out there experience what Arabs and Muslims faced, not too long
ago IN THIS COUNTRY during the Gulf Massacre ?!!  What do you people, who think
somehow that you're really an expert on Islam or in Arabian cultures know about
what the religion of Islam really teaches ?!!  How do you know that Islam as a
religion doesn't teach tolerance and living in peace with others ?!!

	Such claims like that in my mind , will never come from somebody, other 
than a pure blooded "Anglo-Saxon", white man.  That doesn't mean that I'm against
white people, but what I'm saying is that most of them just didn't experience what
others went through, but they still insist to speak with some kind of authority.

	Therefore, most of them still and probably will till the last day in their
life,belief that the West is the best place for practicing your "PERSONAL FREEDOM"
forgetting that a year ago or so, the intier country of France was upside down
because a little (13 years old) Muslim girl wanted to go to school with the head
cover.  They still forgetting that IN THIS COUNTRY some people formed groups just
to hate other groups.  If there is some freedom for some minorities in this country, it is just because they still very weak to cause any threat to the system

	My good American friends taught me how to respond to such non-sence like
that by saying in American terms :  GET REAL.....OR GIVE US A BREAK.



Mohamed Yasser Samir
Tel : (919) 248-6266
Fax : (919) 248-6352
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME !!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:37:21 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

  Who said:

sa'ahmilu ruhi 'ala rahati   wa'ulqi biha fi mahawi alrada
fa'imma hayatun tusirru alsadiqa   wa 'imma mamatun yughithu al'ida
                                                    ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^
                                                     {to     {enemies}
                                                     drive
                                                     crazy}

 For extra points:
When/where/ and how did he die?


wa Salam
----------------------
Khaled Shammout
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Mass Killings
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:54:14 GMT

ghusain@eng.umd.edu (Ibrahim Al-Ghusain) writes:

>>This story is really disturbing.  

>Yes, especially when you think that the bastard, SOB, @#$%&*, 
>who put them in the  trenches in the first place is still alive
>celebrating his rotten existence.!

If you mean by the bastard:
   
Fahd: His system is busy now cracking down on Muslim opposition
   especially after the scholars' "advice" to the king. Now
   decent Saudi scholars are interrogated, prevented from
   travel and any public activities. Meanwhile, ibn Baz refuses
   to make a statement to denounce the scholars complaints about
   corruption in all falks of Saudi system. Americans are worried
   about losing their Master room in the Saudi house due to
   opposition.
   
Saddam: Iraq was ruled by Hajjaj who did what you know and then
   passing through abu Jaafar who killed his man abu Muslim al
   Khurasani. I do not see Saddam any worse than those and many
   others who ruled Baghdad before. An acknowledgement is in
   order for Iraqi people since to the best of my knowledge Iraq
   is the one and only country where a Jordanian citizen is
   respected. You see, Jordanians are not even respected in
   Jordan (let people like Radwan have a cow!) and I really
   do not like them to be ruled under '*hizb "ilbu^*s" 
   il^arabee.' However the funny thing was that a few days ago
   I read through the titles of the title page of '*Suwt
   ilKuwait "ilbawlee"' and they talked about a conference in
   Damascus of the Iraqi Opposition (al-Mo^aaru*suh) and that
   a spokesman of the movement made a statement to the paper.
   I thought if he were a man "with a hairy ass," he would not
   make a statement to such an oily stinking paper. It is not 
   that I like Saddam but that I hate people who are worse than 
   he! Imagine a pro-Kuwaiti Iraqi government, it is funnitastic!
   
So now, if you are naive enough to have a favourite Arabic
government, just tell me which and let me treat you to a snack
of its glorious scandals, "gool wma t*kabbeesh ya ghusain!"   

   "uu-uu-uu-uu-uuuuh w min *hor'it il'uuh daab il*hugur! ...
    uu-uu-uu-uu-uuuuh w ishshakwa lillaah mosh lilbushur!"
    
   "Ta^ibto wa laakinnanee maa zilto fee ta^abee
         ashkoo ila lluuhi laa ashkoo ilaa 'a*hadee"


**
From: lambert_l@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Trying to find a lost friend
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:28:37 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I am trying to find a friend of mine.  His name is Mamoun al-Mohtaseb.
The last known address I have for him is on the West Bank in Isreal.  He is
an Arab.  I haven't heard from him in two years and I would like to know 
if he is still alive.  He should be a registered mechanical engineer in 
Isreal.  He was here in the states for about 3 months or so a few years 
ago.  He lived and worked in Illinois.  If anyone has any information regard-
ing his whereabouts I would appreciate it.



   Thank You

    Lisa Lambert (Lynne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: How to Make Coffee. CORRECTION! CORRECTION! CORRECTION!
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:49:25 GMT

In article <9210051415.AA21171@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>After consulting with my wife about how to make "Turkish Coffee" (or as we call
>it Arabic Coffee), I found out that I gave you the recipe of how to stay up
>for a month.
>
>The correct amounts of sugar and coffee are as such:
>     1/4 to 1/2 small spoon of sugar
>     3/4 to 1 full small spoon of coffee
>        {of course it depends on taste}
>
>The rest of the information (in the previous article) are fortunatly correct.
>
>Enjoy it and SAHTAYN.
>
>Wa Salam
>-------------------
>Khaled Shammout

	As a regular imbiber of this wondrous brew, let me pass on the
	recipe I use for "Qawfiyeh hilweh" (that's what my cookery book
	calls it) that I use several times a week:

	Per demi-tasse (about the size of a finjan)*

	1 teaspoon ground coffee (heavy roast) contg. 1-2 ground cardamoms
	1 teaspoon sugar
	1/3rd cup water

	Heat the sugar, coffee, and water together, bring to the boil, when
	it surges upward remove from the heat and bring to the boil twice
	more.  Serve.

	Alec Chambers.

	This is the  closest my family has been to speaking Arabic since
	my great-uncle Hughie fought alongside Lawrence of Arabia.

	*Even my wife, who is not a coffee-drinker, relishes this.
From: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:37:21 GMT
Reply-To: chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI)
Organization: Intel-Corp,_Hillsboro,_Oregon

In article <1992Sep29.092050.1328@ascii.co.jp>, marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
|>... 
|> >>3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
|> >
|> >	That's 100% true - especially after the Gulf War - and
|> >	I have many people to support this.
|> >Anisa
|> 
|> 	Could some one explain the reason for that? What are they affraid of?
|> 

They are afraid of being toppled!!

They figure they are safer hiring non-Arab or non-Muslim technicians who will
be stay in Saudi Arabia temporarily anyway, just for a buck. Also, the influence 
of non-Arabs and non-Muslims on Saudi-Arabians is easier to control, because they 
can't mesh or integrate in Saudi Arabian society as easy as an Arab or a Muslim can.

There are also political considerations. Before and during the Gulf War, the 
British -and to a lesser extent the Americans- extracted from the Saudi and
Koweiti royal families the promise that English and American companies, businesses
and citizens will be given preferential treatment when they award contracts 
and jobs.
The son of US President George Bush was the first to take advantage of this,
and his company landed several juicy contracts in Koweit and Saudi Arabia.

-- 
..CHEDLEY..
..!{uunet|tektronix|ogicse}!littlei!chedley    chedley@carthago.intel.com     
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Standard Disclaim: The above statements and opinions are strictly mine,
and do not represent any company or organization's position.
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From: im@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ibrahim M. M. Babelli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME !!!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:34:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I believe the poet was a Palestinian man who practiced what he advocated
and sacrificed his life for his cause. His name is (-----) Mahmoud
but I forgot his first name.

The next verse of the poem is:

Wa nafsu-shaheed laha ghayatani    Bolough-u-lmanaya wa nayl-u-lmuna

I think that he was killed (Ustushida) in the late thirties.

im
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME !!!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:05:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: med007.angel-290992140400
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

In article <9209290337.AA22538@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Khaled J
Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> 
>   Who said:
> 
> sa'ahmilu ruhi 'ala rahati   wa'ulqi biha fi mahawi alrada
> fa'imma hayatun tusirru alsadiqa   wa 'imma mamatun yughithu al'ida
>                                                     ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^
>                                                      {to     {enemies}
>                                                      drive
>                                                      crazy}
> 
>  For extra points:
> When/where/ and how did he die?
> 
> 

How about Abu al-Qassem al-Shabby, (Tunisian, 1930s?)

Joe