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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:40:52 CST
From:         CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: consecration of Russia
              5 Jan 1993 22:04:17 GMT from <15942@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:04:17 GMT Stephen Barr said:
>      I am no Fatima expert, but there are a few very
>interesting coincidences relating to Our Lady and the
>recent events in Russia.
>      The day when the U.S.S.R. formally ceased to exist
>as a State was December 8, 1991. !!! I noticed this myself
>because the New York Times back then had a box on the
>front page containing the text of the declaration by which
>the Soviet Union ceased to exist, and giving the date of the
>pronouncement.

Josyp Terelya, who spent many years imprisoned for the Church, tells
in his book "Witness" of the oppression and slaughter of the faithful
in the Ukraine throughout this century. He also tells of the
sustaining encouragement of the Mother of God that helped keep an
underground Church alive despite the dangers of doing so. The most
noted apparitions, witnessed by thousands, occurred in Hrushiv,
Ukraine. (pronounced "hroo-shoo) Messages received in the Ukraine
I believe in 1914 were extremely similar to those given at Fatima
in 1917. The later day messages in Ukraine are similar to
Medjugorje, which is interesting since the people had no connection
with the "outside world" to be familiar with such things.
  Our Lady apparently has *much* to do with the events in the USSR.

>      The day when the red star and other Communist symbols
>were removed from the Kremlin: Dec. 25, 1991.
>      As for whether a consecration has been made: isn't
>this getting a little esoteric?! Look!!!: a Polish Pope
>returns to his Communist homeland and sparks off the
>Solidarity movement (not just a labor movement, but a
>Catholic movement as well). That movement ultimately
>brings down Communism in Poland and, many believe, set in
>motion the events which ended Communism in Russia too.

Personally, I believe there was much more involved than
indicated here. The work of the faithful and Our Lady in
the Ukraine no doubt was a powerful tool in helping to get
Communisism to it's present status. Considering there are
so many communists still in power, I wouldn't say it's
defeated. Neither would Terelya, who warns against Gorbachev
and Yeltsin. We'll see what happens.

>     Consecration or no consecration, Mary has something
>to do with these truly miraculous events. Let us give
>thanks to God and His holy mother, and stop this
>esoteric squabbling!!  Steve.

I don't think you understand the significance of the requested
consecration. The message was that *UNTIL* this consecration takes
place Russia will continue to spread it's errors and entire nations
will be annihilated. In other words, this is still going to continue.
  According to Sr. Lucia of Fatima, God will allow the grace for the
consecration to be made when enough people on the earth are living the
message of Fatima. (Medjugorje's message is nearly the same, an
encouragement) As Sr. Lucia says, Russia will be a tool of the
chastisement and if we begin to live the message of Fatima, we can
help to bring about a lessening of this chastisment.
  The consecration *will* be made, but "it will be late". In fact, it
is said that Sr. Lucia is to live to see the beginning of the chastisement.
Which is interesting because it is also said that as soon as the
consecration is made she will pass to her eternal reward. If this part
is valid, then the chastisments will begin before this nearly 86 year
old woman dies.
  You must understand since these events involve the final battle with
Satan, and he wishes to win, there is much confusion and turmoil involving
the consecration. There are certain members of the Church who try to say
it has been done. This helps us feel a false sense of security, and to
resist the call to a truly holy life and a living of the message of
Fatima. If you would like more information, you may contact the
Servants of Jesus and Mary, PO Box 93, Constable, NY 12926, or call
at 1-800-263-8160.
  This apostalate is headed by Fr. Nicholas Gruner. He worked to bring
the bishops of the world together for the 75th anniversary of the apparition
at Fatima on October 13, 1992. (the anniversary of the Miracle of the
Sun) Speaking with a friend the other day, I learned that while Fr. Gruner
was in Fatima in October, on his way to the altar it was very crowded, and
he was attacked by several men and who slammed him into the wall, and
roughed him up enough that it was necessary he go to the hospital. There
were other bizarre events like this that occurred that make it clear that
Satan truly does not wish this consecration to be made.

So, it's up to us. When we all live the message of Fatima, the
Triumph will begin. There were four priests living near the sight
where the bomb hit in Hrioshima (sp?), so close that *all* around
them were killed. They not only were spared, but never have suffered
any effects of exposure to radioactive elements. They say it was
because they were living the message of Fatima. And as with events
in the USSR, the significant days involved were special feast days.
While I can't access the file with that information since I'm in this
note, I believe the bomb was dropped on the Feast of the Assumption,
and the peace treaty signed on perhaps September 8. ? I'll check and
post it.

In Jesus and Mary,
Elizabeth
"Mercy is the flower of Love"
                              Sr. Faustina, "Divine Mercy in My Soul"
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