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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out at work
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:50:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mrgate.8719441325011993/A02791/POSSE/1171CB6A3100*
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <C1EBGM.GJ5@world.std.com>, rik@world.std.com (Rik Ahlberg)
writes this:
>Can anyone point me in the direction of specific resources (printed matter
>or electronic files) related to coming out at work?

>I'm quite out at work and need some resources to cite for those who want
>to learn (be they closeted or straight) what the coming out process
>involves and how to deal with the whole enchilada of "gayness in the
>workplace".

I can highly recommend a book entitled, _Can Homophobia be Cured?_
by Bruce Hilton.  It is an easily readable book (i.e., not dense)
that addresses the typical questions raised about homosexuality
(and homophobia) in a very straightforward fashion. I've lent the
book out to friends and co-workers (and my partner's co-workers)
so often, that I am now on my fifth copy (since it is often not
returned, but this is one of those books that I am happy not to recall :-) )

It doesn't specifically address "gayness in the workplace," so maybe
it's not appropriate for your needs, but it may be worth examining
to be sure.

-maria
                                                    
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From: gnn@cs.vu.nl (Guest GNN)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:18:05 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>Why?

>I don't know about the rest of you, but I have found the aging process
>to be fun and entertaining.  At 26 (ooohh....) to be a different sort
>of fun from 21.  It is good to know that you slow down eventually...

Well, slow down is a relative term I should think.  Though I've
noticed the same thing as I approach 26.  Of course I don't really
have the time to do what I did at 16, which was beat off constantly.

A 26 year old with the libido of a 16 year old would be very
poor, dead, or insane IMHO.  At least, as far as my libido
is concerned.

Besides, old age is a privilege denied to many.  I intend to enjoy
it.

Dag,
George
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From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:57:33 GMT

In article <mattm-280193095254@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Well, if one *must* be something, a crazy psychopath locked in an
>iron cage making life miserable for Jodi Foster isn't all *that*
>bad...

just being locked in a cage with Jodie Foster would make my day.

season

-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rally round the FAG and  sing a GLAD song
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:26:42 GMT
Organization: Green Hills and Cows

In article <18420@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:

>I happen to believe that the politics of the left has used us the way
>the bigots use us. the left does not respect us, we are a commodity group
>which they can count on for votes and figure they never have to deliver the
>goods to, because of who we are. 

Thank you. At last someone finally comes out and says it. It is long
past time that we stop blindly following this cause, candidate, or
leader or another simply because he/she/it acknowledges our existence
in some token way. People and organizations seeking the "gay vote" are
frequently long on promises and very short on delivery.

And I am damn sick of it. And I am more than annoyed at those who
embrace a cause or candidate for little more than the perception that
it is "gay OK".

>Every day is Gay Pride day, because we are something to be proud of.

You bet. And it is time that we showed some of that pride and raised
our standards for promise fulfilment. Perhaps we should go on the
offensive and demonstrate that what the g/l/b community giveth, it can
and will also taketh away.

-- 
 John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
 john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407
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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:46:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143822.3488@dvorak.amd.com> 
tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
>Has anyone seen a female Cardassian?  

Yes. The torturer's daughter wandered in while Picard was being tortured.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Re: Straight spouses on ABC's 20/20
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:24:43 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>Another problem I had (and thanks to whoever it was that helped
>me realize this (Hubbs? Gilly?)) with the report was that it
>gave no explanation for why the queer spouse would 'do this to
>someone'. It gave no reason (that I saw/remember) for him/her to
>enter into the marriage, and made it seem as if they were perfectly
>'normal', then one day they turned on their spouses. Made their
>coming out seem totally irrational and without reason. IMHO.
Well of course I was turned gay by another gay man.  That's how
it works isn't it?  It's a disease or a choice or something.

(Yes it's a joke)

I will give the story a little bit of credit here.  They did
at one point indicate that for the women the hell started when
the husband came out, but for the husband it was a private
hell up until that point.  They didn't spend much time on it
but they did indicate that the husbands took a while to get to
the coming out point.

Jim Hubbs
From: sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton may not issue Executive Order
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:33:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan21.145816.9913@dvorak.amd.com>, tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
> 
> I heard on the Today show that "conduct" will play an important role
> in the exec order that Clinton WILL put into place ASAP.  I am hoping
> that it Immediately stops the millions spent in the witch-hunts, and
> starts the process to fully accept and recognize gays and lesbians in
> the military.  I think that the word "conduct" will come in to play to
> remove any doubt that this order DOES NOT excuse any act which is
> currently covered in the UCMJ, especially sexual misconduct while on
> duty and while on base (something the hets need to remember!).
>  

..and if you asked me, a decent enough first step, given the eggshells on
which the President is walking.  Given that so much of the hysteria coming
from the military brass is over this notion that somehow we queers will be
all hormones once we're allowed to enlist openly, a change in policy to
disallow investigations unless based on conduct will help show how silly
this objection is.

__________________________________________________________________________
Sandy F. Smith, Jr. ____________________________sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:13:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C16M6H.ID5
Organization: Open Communications Forum

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>[Brent Capps summarizes conclusions]

>Well? Are you going to remain a dickface or not?

I have the honour to remain
your obedient servant.
Brent
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k++s-e++   | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
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From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence and Re: Starting Trouble: Homophobia at
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:16:15 GMT

In article <74043@cup.portal.com>
Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
 
>* sigh *
>
>I was at MIT 1976-1981, and back then, it was the GAMIT message center that
>was always burned, smashed, painted, or whatever. I never figured out what it
>was folks had against it other than misdirected prejudice. My policy is that
>no matter how gays can be criticized for their innaccurate facts, or any othe
>statistical anomolies, people should be accepted as they are, even if they
>might be encouraged to be or do something else. Come to think of it, of all t
>he big whop-de-do raging controversies and outrages (and there wer lots of
>them) harassment of gays somehow never got people's attention. jews, blacks,
>arabs, military, they go theirs, but the gays always stayed in the background
 
Y'know, I'd never read much of this guy's claptrap, and I just assumed the
claptrap he was posting was crossposted from another group a la KKKra*m*r.
But careful examination of the header, which I normally strip off, shows
that he *hangs around here full time*! What's the male equivalent of a
fag hag?
 
Tracey
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:21:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan22.122110.15961
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <14016@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>From article <C160FC.50v@fig.citib.com>, by glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson):
>> In article <1jhibuINNrs6@meaddata.meaddata.com>, ptb@meaddata.com (Patrick Bell) writes:
>
># |> If you knew you were HIV- and you knew your sex partner (lover, fuck buddy,
># |> tearoom trick, whatever) was HIV+ and he wanted you to suck his cock w/o
># |> a condom, would you?
>
>> Yes.
>
>Well Greg, it sure has been nice knowing you!

Expected response #2. Still waiting for three more on my list. I hope
Patrick Bell is pleased with the teeth-grinding that such a seemingly
innocuous and wholly irresponsible question might produce.

I'm also beginning to wonder about the truth of what they say about
optilink.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

FYI,

Someone is re-posting articles from this thread to ca.politics and
talk.politics.misc with their own editorial introductions and follow-ups.

				...jim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Clinton may not issue Executive Order
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:51:03 GMT

john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) writes:
>In short, it is remarkable how eager, wide-eyed, and promising
>candidate Clinton was and how overtaken by hard reality President-elect
>Clinton now appears to be. So can we remember next time how easy it is
>to make promises and how apparently difficult it is to keep them?
>
>Unfortunately, we never seem to.

It seems clear from over here that lots of people realised how likely
Clinton was to keep all his promises, and voted for him anyway because
the alternative was so much worse.  I don't think there's any need to
be so smug about it.

,
Eamonn
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From: smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)
Subject: Re: No Liberty Without Ethics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:15:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.230113.811@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.075753.29278@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>>In article <18436@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen
>>Rowley) writes:
>
>>The argument by example -- some LGB people have done some
>>very good things -- is not adequate to secure liberty and
>>equality for us all.  The society as a collective enterprise
>>-- taking nothing away from its diversities during or after
>>the debate -- will have to undertake the enormously
>>difficult, fractious activity of *not* bypassing the
>>formation of ethical values.  You have several times
>>mentioned taking principled positions; *this* principle
>>underlies all others in our domain of discourse.

The basis for having equality for all of us exists in the rules that our
country uses now. We need to point out the fact that they are there, they
are being ignored, and that this must change. I agree that we need to
stick to a set of ethics, but that could mean as simple a concept as
self-consistency.

>At this point I think that institutionalised homophobia, and rampant
>ignorance of who and what we really are, make rapid acceptance 
>improbable.

In real terms, the government has much to do with what happens to us (or
any minority) by use of its rules and policies. I listen to the noise that
is starting because of President Clinton's determination to remove the ban
of gays in the military and I hear the same arguments that were used
against blacks in the military. In fact, there are people in Congress
STILL who fought against blacks in the military. 

I think that if we were to choose an objective as a first step in making
progressive changes, we should shoot for term limitations. The reason that
the rules aren't changing is because the people making the rules aren't
changing.

>Coming out on an individual basis is often astaged process, and 
>i suspect that our collective coming out must be too.
>A good first step is to demonstrate value, and to re-iterate that
>ultimately no matter what they think of our ways, our lives are just
>as precious to us as theirs are to them.

Most people are nothing more than sheep and will follow what their priests
and leaders tell them. Get that message to change, and opinion will begin
to shift.

Scott


-- 
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B4 f t+ w g k+(+!) s+ m r p+    \/\/  # "What's that?"
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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: End to YAZZ thread!
Organization: Motorola
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:40:16 CST


This is to let you know - if you are interested -
that I have been in touch with Rosario and provided her
with the information that she was after.
So hopefully we can put this one to bed??!!

BTW, for the person who posted about YAZZ being black.....
well she *was* born black but due to vanity, underwent
the skin pigmentation alteration to make her white
- GOD knows why? But live and let live is my motto!
(Makes you wonder if her baby was black or half-caste
 epsecially if the father was white!
 Imagine the questions from the child when older......
 "Mummy, why am I black and you & daddy are white?")
**This is not intended to spark of racist flaming!!**

Eddie
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Paging Mr. Dyer...Motss PIX question
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:14:11 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan28.063824.23520@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>If you can FTP anonymously to ursa-major.spdcc.com, you can place the files
>in /pub/incoming.  I'll grab them, apply a few Photoshop filters (Gassian
>Blur?) to improve things, and place them in the archive.

Got an enlarger too?

-- 
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From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:47:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: lily.F0BRXB2w165w

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
> Nonetheless, I'm not sure what if anything we can do to stop them
> this June.  It's basically up to the small town lesbians and gays to
> fight their own battle on this, I don't see how Portland- and Eugene-area
> queers can be effective in combatting it without making matters worse.  

For the answers to these, and other questions, tune in next week (or even
sooner), same bat-time...

> they will gain political credibility if they even
> win in *1* location, no matter how small (I notice that Oakridge is on
> the list -- population 3460 -- 

Not to mention Aurora, population a dozen score, give or take a sheep or two.

--Suzii.
palepink@lily.arts.com
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From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:15:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <C18Eux.6Bq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> japg0962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
   (John Allen Phebus) writes:
>
>Fallwell is a real asshole.  

I, on the other hand, think he's revolting.

:-)
-- 
Daniel Gilly
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From: rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice)
Subject: Re: Military Ban on Gays/ Phone calls
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:06:20 GMT


My husband just called me to ask for Sen. Dole's phone
number;  I mentioned to him last night that a list of all
the senators' phone numbers was posted here earlier.  It
seems that Dole was seen in a CNN soundbite saying that his
office had received a thousand phone calls, and not one of
them was in support of Mr. Clinton's position.

A little later he called me back to say that he had made the
call, and that he made a point of noting that Mr. Dole could
no longer say that he has not received a single call in
favor of overturning the ban.  The reply:  "OK, I'll tell
him."

Call Sen. Dole @ 202-224-6521.

Roger Crice
Cincinnati, OH
From: weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: ALL ELEVEN STATES: a person in Iowa
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:38:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1993Jan24.133830.10124
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

As a person that has just come out, the note "ALL ELEVEN states ..." has got me
in an uproar. What does that exactly mean for me as a peoson from Iowa? I guess
I'm appauled at the mentality of the people in my state that would put forth
such garbage. I mean where do they get off telling me what I can and can't
do??? This has really upset me, and you can bet that people are going to hear
about it. I'm just getting comfortable with the thought of my being attracted
to the same sex, and I don't want ANYBODY to take that away from me by
dictating what I can and can't do in public etc.  Anyway, can someone fill me
in on the specifics of this and what it means... I really need to know. Thanks
:) lotsa E-HUGS going out to all that need them. 

Shawn (female)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kenji@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:55:49 GMT

Work! Work!
From: gandalf@ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:46:41 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

I usually never watch the fundie tv people, but the other day I was channel
flicking and came across Jerry Fallwell... ranting and raving about the
"militant homosexual agenda." In the spirit of "know your enemy," I watched
it. 

It made me sick.

I knew these guys were bad, but I'm utterly shocked that he can get away with
saying the things that he does and not end up in jail. He portrayed the 
President as a mindless slob who cheats on his wife... and I'm not even going
to THINK about what he has to say about you and me, let alone describe it to
you. And beyond all that, he had the nerve to call it "religion" and to
flash an 800 number asking for people to buy videos of his "sermons" to
benefit his "ministry." I dropped a letter in the mail to the IRS asking
them to look into the matter of his using a "ministry" as a front for
political activity.
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From: ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Lesbian Veterans to Lobby Congress After Wednesday Press Conference
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:04 GMT

Here is a press release from the Human Rights Campaign Fund.

 Lesbian Veterans to Lobby Congress After Wednesday Press Conference
 To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor
 Contact: Kay Ostberg or Gregory King, 202-628-4160, both of
          the Human Rights Campaign Fund

   News Advisory:

   U.S. Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.) and other women members of
Congress will join lesbian veterans and representatives of lesbian
and gay organizations and women's rights groups for a press
conference on Wednesday, Jan. 27, at 9:30 a.m. in Room 2216 of the
Rayburn House Office Building.
   The organizer of the event is the Human Rights Campaign Fund, the
nation's largest lesbian and gay political group.  The press
conference has been endorsed by the Military Freedom Project.
Speakers at the press conference will release a major statement of
support for President Clinton's decision to overturn the current ban
on lesbian and gay Americans from serving in the U.S. Armed Forces.
Following the press conference, lesbian veterans will lobby members
of Congress in support of ending the ban.

 -30-
-- 
Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
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