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From: stave@frost.apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: Stop it! (was Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos))
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:21:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stave@frost.apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bw6305.8q0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.135525.5041@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg
(Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
|> >How about it, anybody know of any training available near the University of
|> >Indiana?
|> 
|> Yes, we do have here at IU hapkido, judo, t'ai chi, kendo, tae kwon
do, aikido,
|> and other stuff.  I'm just hesitant on going for a university class,
as opposed
|> to a commercial thing.  Are the school's classes very good?
|> 

They might be worse than commercial, they might be better.  They might
be taught by people affiliated with a commercial school.  Commercial
or not doesn't matter.  The only way to find out is to go take a few
classes, or at least watch them.  Talk to the students and see how
they describe the classes and the teachers, pick one that sounds good
to you and try it out.

Like the old Nike commercial says:  "Just do it"

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Steven Seagal
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <67416@cup.portal.com> Randy_A_Winney@cup.portal.com writes:
>  From Aikido Today Magazine (Summer 92):
>    Steven Seagal's Aikido Ten Shin Dojo is moving from its current
>    location in Hollywood to 1634 17th St., Santa Monica, CA 90404.
>    The phone number is (213)657-2266.

The area code in Santa Monica (and everything that used to be 213, except for
near-downtown LA) is now 310.  FWIW.

Al
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:02:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <11108@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>In article <marcogan-121092141132@150.203.102.25> marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan) writes:
>>>'Black dragon' in Chinese is something like 'Hong Long" (mandarin)
>>>'White Dragon' is something like 'Bei Long' (mandarin) or 'Bai
>
>Musta missed the original. Black in Mandarin is 'hei', white is 'bai'.

Yes, this is the correct pinyin used in mainland.
According to pinyin, Hong Long can mean red dragon, and
Bei Long can mean north dragon.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Organization: Joe's Parasite Farm - "We got what bugs you!"
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:31:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <11101@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <Bw0MH2.F7F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct12.142018.20551@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>>>Hmmm....Perhaps you can tell us how you developed the method which allows
>>>you to tell whether your opponent is MA trained?  I think that would be
>>Chances are, a loud, obnoxious, aggressive redneck wearing a John-Deere hat
>>isn't going to know martial arts.
>
>Be careful. The ones with the Massey-Ferguson hats usually do. (Hint:
>John-Deere hats are green, MF hats are usually red)

Damn right!  Massey's a better tractor, too.
<grunt grunt>
*snort*

Good Ol' Dave Pipes
Who is also fond of Allis Chalmers...
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: the FAQ
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:59:01 GMT

In article mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>I do have a copy of the FAQ that's probably close to a year old, that I
>will resurrect for any interested parties; however, I'd also like to 
>propose if we don't hear from Izar real soon (tap tap tap) that we get
>our acts together re: another faq.  What do y'all think?
>
>Personally, I'd like to see a FAQ written (or perhaps "compiled" is a 
>better word) by a group of interested people.  By "interested" I mean
>able and willing to put in the necessary work, which means both writing
>and reviewing.  I think the FAQ should be as general and non-partisan
>as possible.  
>
>In order to provide information about specific arts, various net.people
>who practice them could, if they wanted to, compile their own documents,
>which could be included or referenced in the FAQ.  I'm thinking of things 
>like the aikido dojo directory, the judo FAQ that I heard talk of a 
>while ago, the TKD terminology post that was sent around, and so on.  

I think that even if Izar suddenly reappears, the FAQ is still
overdue for an overhaul.  This group includes a number of
knowledgeable and literate MAs who could pool their talents to
produce an outstanding basic document.  The original FAQ was a
good first effort, but now it is time for a collective second
effort.  BTW, no offense of any kind intended toward anyone by
any of this.  Just trying to endorse Mary's idea strongly.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:45:34 GMT

In article jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
>In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>> 	Dave, you're just so knave.
>
>Uh, I think you meant naive.

Nah, he's just being rediculous.  [What *is* that tapping sound.]
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:28:51 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct7.054534.20638@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>In article jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
>>In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>>> 	Dave, you're just so knave.
>>Uh, I think you meant naive.
>Nah, he's just being rediculous.  [What *is* that tapping sound.]

So, Stephen, how's the fishing these days? 

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Subject: Praying Mantis Bung Bo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Mantis
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:00:00 GMT

Howdy,

	Does anyone out there know mantis? If so, what style? Do you know
the form Bung Bo (Bong Po, Bung Bu, Stamping/Bouncing/Banging Step)? It is
the only form everyone agrees was created by Wong Long. 

	I know this form but would like some insights on the specific footwork
involved. You know, the stamping/bouncing/banging steps. I would appreciate
any help anyone can give.

Please Respond by E-mail

I am at khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu  

Kuo Hau Chang  :)               Praying for Mantis                (:
Texas A&M      :)   7-star,8-step,Taiji,Tantui,Lu-Han,Flat Plate  (:
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Where/how to learn ninjitsu?
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:58:03 GMT

In article <BvzKB5.IwG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Are there places in the U.S. that teach ninjitsu? (ninjutsu, how do you spell
>it?)  I heard (rumor) that Steve Hayes was the only person in the U.S. who
>could legally teach it.  Also, what does ninjitsu consist of?  What do they
>teach, exactly?  I assume the training is very vigorous.

	There are quite a few persons that teach here.  

	Most of the ninjutsu instructors that I have seen are BOGUS.  Among 
	those that are legit are Ron Duncan, James Loriega, Chadwick Minge,
	and Rick Wigginton.

	Loriega and Wigginton were Duncan's two top students.  Minge is ex-
	special forces with LOTS of experience and appears to know his shit
	quite well.
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13727
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <marcogan-071092172257@chifmac44.anu.edu.au> marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.203502.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu
>wrote:
>
>For some interesting kenjutsu, try _Blind Fury_ with Rutger Hauer. Or, if
>you prefer movies in Japanese, try _Yojimbo_, _Sanjuro_, and _Revolution_,
>all starring Toshiro Mifune and directed by Akira Kurosawa.
>
    Watching Blind Fury for kenjutsu is kind of like 
    watching Tampopo to learn about cowboys!  For that 
    matter Yojimbo, etc. (I have copies of all for the
    VCR) doesn't have a whole lot to do with actual 
    kenjutsu practice.  It's only a movie.

    The same can be said for Mr. Attitude and his I'm mad
    and bad and I practice Aikido movies.  Who cares if 
    they aren't real.  Remember it is only a movie.

-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: history of daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:01:52 GMT
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

a while ago someone posted a long history od daito ryu aikijujutsu. 
in a nutshell it said that the daito-ryu was founded by minamoto
yoshimitsu in 1100 a.d.

i recently came across another 'version' of the daito ryu, in a book
written by john stevens (and renjiro shirata) called _the way of 
harmony_.

this traced the lineage from takeda soemon (1758-1853) who 
practiced an art called aiki-in-yo-ho. soemon taught some of his
techniques to saigo tanoma who eventually ended up as a very famous
kyudo master. incidentally, it was tanoma who was involved with 
kano and the kodokan and performed many of the demonstrations
(and accepted challenges) for the kodokan.

anyway, soemons grandson, takeda sokaku (1860-1943) was also taught
the aiki-in-yo-ho as well as some advanced (secret?) techniques called
the oshiki-uchi. sokaku modified these techniques and from his
knowledge of other styles (kenjutsu and i think some other jujutsu) as
well is considerable fighting experienced created daito ryu aikijujutsu.

most of this is from memory so i apologise for minor mistakes. 

i wonder why there are two 'versions' of the history. i have heard/read
that aikido likes to play down the role of the daito ryu so perhaps
stevens 'version' reflects this. but then again, stevens is a fairly
well respected author, so there must be some truth in what he says.

any comments?

-mukund
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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: the FAQ - The Answer
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:09:04 GMT

In article <Bw7xJz.t3@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.130051.142@ipact.com>, pals@ipact.com writes:
>|> 
>|> I think a robust FAQ, posted at least monthly, would really be useful.  A
>|> lot of interested non-MA visit the group looking for basic info (IMHO).
>
>How about a *weekly* post of where to find a robust FAQ.  I belive such
>things can be automated (although I haven't the foggiest idea how)

How about an "Expires:" header on the damn thing, so it sits around for
more than three days?  That's why people can't find it.

For the third or fourth time.

-- 
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From: tp0001@srilanka (Terry Pinotti)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:07:14 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

The previous writer gave you the chinese based Korean counting system.
the other sysetm, more traditional Korean is

Ha Na    = One      use the "a" of father
Dul      = Two      very much like duel
Set      = Three    as is
Net      = Four     as is
Ta Sut   = five     use the "a" of father and "su" of sudden
Yuh Sut  = Six      close to the "Yu" in the slang yup
Il Gop   = Seven    ill (sick) + cup with a 'G'
Yul Dop  = Eight    yup with a `l` dolp
Ah Hop   = Nine     Ah Hope
Yul      = Ten      yup with a `l`

If you are really interested in learning Korean, be aware that their
written language is the easiest system in the world to learn yet their
spoken language is the most difficult for english speaking people.

Their writing system was scientifically developed and not evolved. It
is very easy to learn. one week at most and you can sound out all
written korean and write down spoken korean.

--
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From: venenga@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:26:18 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
> carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
> or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
> and that is effective?

How about the hands, feet, elbows, knees... :-)

> -- 
> Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
> shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
> (NeXTmail welcome)  |

-jay
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From: hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Summary: The origin of martial arts discussion
Keywords: dragon white black kung fu kimewaza
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:42:20 GMT

First I want to apologize for a serious spelling mistake in my 
last posting.  Although just a single letter was misspelled, this
caused an error of 800 years!  

Where it says: "Kimewaza...developed in India around 400 B.C...."
Should read  : "Kimewaza...developed in India around 400 A.C...."
                                                        ^^^ 
I understand that the credibility of the story diminished dramatically
with this error.  Note that in my first posting on Kimewaza this
was spelled correctly though.

. . .

I asked my Kimewaza sensei about the orign of this art, he told me
the following:

- In around 400 A.C. there was a monk called Boddidarhma developing
  martial arts in India.
- He travelled to China carrying the wisdom of Buddism and his martial
  arts style with him.
- [Either in China or Japan] the art split into several parts, the
  two most powerful were:
  White Dragon Kung Fu and Black Dragon Kung Fu.
- Black Dragon Kung Fu became the art of the Ninja, those who 
  use the black power.
- White Dragon Kung Fu became Kimewaza, the white art of defence.
  [I think the Kimewaza name comes from China].
- It is VERY hard to trace the lineage of Kimewaza, it seems to have
  disappeared a couple of centuries ago.  The only real reference to
  it are on old scrolls and perhapps in a few books in Japanese libraries.  
- The art of kimewaza is based on the four elements.  Each element
  having a different style.
 
My sensei is doing a research on Kimewaza himself.  He has an Icelandic
translation of "JUDO" by R.Bowen and H.M.Hodkinson, there Kimewaza was
mentioned but no bibliography was given, so the source of the information
can not be traced.  He would be grateful if anyone having the orignal
copy of the book could look for a bibliography and inform us if found.

My sensei learned the art from a Chinese teacher.  He says the name
Kimewaza is an old name, not some fancy title made up here in Iceland!
[To Dominik Zemmler: You say the art originates from Iceland, did you
base this on the fact that your teacher was Icelandic?  In my opinion
that is not a reasoning].
 
I'd want to know if anyone is familiar with the White vs. Black Dragon
Kung Fu branching of martial arts.  Those of you studying the art of 
the Ninja, do you recall the Black Dragon Kung Fu as a name for the art?

From the information I've gathered so far,  Kimewaza seems to be a generec 
term for martial-arts defense styles.  How does that sound?

Thanks for your interest,

Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson (Eldark)
hhv@rhi.hi.is
Computer Science 
The University of Iceland
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shot in the dark query - Shorinji Kempo
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:56:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13775
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <D46msB1w165w@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca> aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) writes:
>Here is a shot in the dark query but it would be _nice_ if someone could
>respond.
>
>Shorinji Kempo is a very interesting Martial Art (in my opinion).  I have
>been told it is very popular in Japan but it does not seem to be popular
>in North America.
>
>I would be interested in hearing from anyone that studies Shorinji Kempo
>in the Pacific Northwest (B.C, Washington etc). So far I have not had
>much luck finding someone that teaches this art.
 

    Good luck.  I know of no one practicing here in North America,
    except for the occasional college student who mentions that he
    used to practice it in Japan.

    I suggest you contact the Nippon Budokan directly.  They support
    the system as representative of Japanese Martial Arts.  They 
    sent a delegation of Shorinji Kempo instructors to Portland last
    May as part of America Japan Week.

    Nippon Budokan
    Shorinji Kempo Section
    2-3 Kitanomaru-koen
    Chiyoda-ku
    Tokyo
    Telephone (03)211-5804


-- 
Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:26:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw78FH.96s
Organization: Vallen Software

In article <1992Oct16.043507.6952@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>In article shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>Shuko are weapons that are strapped on the hand, and have four spikes
>>protruding out from the other side of your knuckles. (so instead of spikes on
>>the knuckles, they're on the palm side of your hand).
>
>I wonder how you would use these things as weapons of self
>defense in this day and age.  I'm thinking here about the kind of
>encounters you described when everyone started picking on you.
>You couldn't very well wander around the streets with iron
>clawws strapped to your hands.  And I don't imagine they would

Mm, you could, depending on the state's laws.

>be too comfy stuffed in the pockets of your jeans.  Are these in
>the same class as sai?  I.e., interesting traditional weapons
>with little or no present day utility?

Hey now! :)  Sai can still be used.  If the state you're in allows
conspicuous display of MA weapons, you can make a little homemade belt where
you can put the sai in like holsters.  Of course, that would look kind of dumb.
:)  Or you can get a long jacket or trenchcoat, sew on little bands of material
on the inside and slip the sai into the loops:

                |
                |
              -----
              | = |      = is the little strip of material
                |
                |
                |    ASCII graphics.. fun. :)

I just had to illustrate a little because I felt it was a bit difficult
explaining the way of making the "holsters."

But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
and that is effective?

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Organization: just me
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:25:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <37740016@otter.hpl.hp.com> ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
>
>I've been doing Judo recently for about a year and am about to go in for my
>first Dan grading.  I haven't done any competitive fighting (apart from my 1st
>Kyu grading six months ago which wasn't much) for about 16 years, and styles
>have changed enormously.  One of the most obvious things is an undignified
>scrabble for grip.
>
>In my previous competitions we would take hold and then get on with the
>competition, changing grip as we went.  Now there seems to be a lot of
>handwaving as both competitors try desperately to stop the other getting any
>hold at all.  This looks dreadful and really annoys me when someone does it to
>me during practice. 
>
>Is this just in England or do other countries have the same style? 
>
>How do I get over this?  
>
>When I first came across it I asked if the (quite heavy) knocking away of hands
>was legal.  When I was told "yes" I thought I'd have a go at some good Karate
>blocks to sort them out.  I did one brilliant block and found (to my horror)
>that I had my reaction hand on my hip ready to punch the guy.  I didn't punch
>him and decided that I'd better forget the Karate alltogether on a Judo mat.
>
>My only serious strategy so far has been to ignore the flailing hands and act
>like a tank, advancing on the person till I get some kind of hold and then
>hanging on and not letting them get away again. 
>
>This isn't much of a strategy.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I don't really
>want to play the same silly game.  I just want to get on with the Judo.
>

Hmmm...tough one...I don't know the rules, but can you use the opponents
wrists in a throw?  Then the act of knocking your hands away becomes an
entry for you.  Grab both wrists, push them together at the back of the
hand, step across the body while directing the arms out and front at full
extension, throw over the hip, maybe with a sweep.  Boom!

I suspect that this is not Judo.  Can you motivate *any* throws off of the
fingers, wrists or forearms?  Can you go past his brush-block and quickly
grab the upper arm with a sweep?

What are the general restrictions of competition Judo, anyway?

	David Pipes
robear@digex.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: scanlan@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (B. Scanlan)
Subject: Re: Lookin for books on Goju
Organization: UTCS Public Access
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:17:06 GMT

I made a quick call to my local "Don Warrener's Martial Art Academy" in 
an effort to gain the mail address that would be used for information
on Yamaguchi's " Goju Karate-Do". They couldn't supply me with the address
but they did give me the phone number for the Warrener's main dojo. The number
is  (416) 547-2785

Bruce Scanlan
Promis Systems Corporation
Toronto, Canada

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA