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From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: Sorry, Bill!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:33:05 GMT

After reading over the past few posts about Smart Pills, I would like to clear 
the air a tad.  To Bill Squire:  sorry dude, I didn't mean to rag on you.  You 
brought up a topic that just irks me no end, and I didn't really reply to you 
per say but to the whole topic of smart drugs.

I have done quite a bit of research (in the past and recently) on "smart 
drugs".  Seems that it's just easier to read and study a little bit every night
than to take the various compounds which have been rumoured to make you 
smarter.  (I liked the joke about the rabbit turds, by the way).  Yes, there 
are drugs which seem to have an effect on the brain, either directly on memory 
or simply as neural growth stimulators.  Damned if we know if they'll work 
consistently and without dangerous long term effects on normal humans; the rats
seemed to like them.  Most of them are hard to get here in the US (prescription
needed), but Europe seems to have an unlimited supply.  There are also drugs 
out there which are reputed to be smart drugs but are really more placebo than 
anything.  Caveat emptor, for both types.  The brain is a bit too delicate to 
start mucking about with, eh?

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Smart Pills
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:14:42 GMT

olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:

>This thread, and statements like "I felt smarter after taking them" reminds me
>of a joke I was told as a kid.  It invloved two kids I'll call Bob and Tom. 
>The scene went like this:

Personally, I'd like to know more about smart drugs and their alledged
effects. Jokes like this, though, (which I've deleted), probably belong
in alt.i.am.stupid or something, eh?

	-Mike

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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:53:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <20JUL199222275714@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>O.K., Nathaniel, since you've taken the position as Council for the Defence,
>here's the prosecution's position.  The book is clearly falsely advertised.

>First it states:

>	"And three extraordinary characters..."

>There is absolutely nothing extraordinary about these characters.

	Your claim is no more substantiated than the blurb writer's.  

>Second, it states that the three characters:

>       "race toward a rendezvous with history - and the future:  Sybil Gerard -
>       fallen woman, politician's tart, daughter of a Luddite agitator;  Edward
>       "Leviathan" Mallory - explorer and paleontologist;  Laurence Oliphant -
>       diplomant, mystic, and spy."

>The potential reader is lead to believe that these characters all come together
>at a climax in the book.  


	No, it doesn't say they are racing toward a rendezvous with each other.

>But Sybil Gerard's function in the book is extremely
>limited, only being used as an occasional distraction.

	Try again.  She frames the narrative and provides an important 
viewpoint character.

>Third, it states:
>
>       "Their adventure begins with the discovery of a box of punched Engine
>       cards of unknown orgin and purpose.  Cards someone wants badly enough to
>       kill for..."
>
>This is clearly false advertising.  NOWHERE in the book is there ANY reason
>given for people being killed over this deck of cards.  For all the reader
>knows, they are killing each other over the fancy box in which the cards are
>contained.  

	You don't seem to have read the book at all carefully.  The cards
have an extremely important function in the development of the plot (though
at another level, of course, they constitute a Hitchcockian "maguffin," a
perfectly acceptable thriller convention).


>Fourth, the second paragraph states:
>
>	"Part detective story, part historical thriller,..."
>
>This is clearly misleading.  The book is neither a detective story nor a
>thriller.  In fact, this book wouldn't even make it into the True Detective
>Book of the Month club!  

	It in fact made it into the actual Book of the Month Club, for
what that's worth.

>The fact that it isn't a thriller is only proven by
>the fact that none of the characters are thrilling, none of the characters are
>present in the story from beginning to end, nor is the story line (what whisps
>there could possibly be) anywhere engaging enough to be a thriller.

	This would be true if you could establish any of your claims, which
you haven't.  All you've really established is that you don't like the book
and couldn't be bothered to read it very carefully.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
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From: sabg9174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye)
Subject: Re: Any CTYers or former CTYers out there?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:00:17 GMT

Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko) writes:

>Anyone associated with CTY (Center for academically Talented Youth) now
>can submit things to this, so that we can talk about things like the
>Church Of The Everlasting Taco Salad in peace without non-CTY outsiders
>annoying us.

   Ummm....Well, actually, if you post things like this to
   alt.sex you should probably count on a lot of 'non-CTY
   outsiders' annoying you.  At least, to politely suggest
   a more appropriate forum for discussions regarding this
   Taco Temple.  :)

      Incidentally, how old a group of 'youth' are we talking
   about here?  While I have no objection to mature teens checking
   out groups in the alt.sex. hierarchy, this does raise some
   issues than the Spooks might be chewing on. Opinions, net.readers?

   To readers of groups other than alt.sex: I would have removed
   the crosspostings, but i wanted to make sure this was received
   by the source.  Sorry for wasting your bandwidth.

   Tolthrye
From: stong@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Simon Tong)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: _The Long Run_
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:39:46 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul29.030114.7652@news.stolaf.edu> knappenp@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>but I think the mix of the genetically perfect thief who is also able
>to pull off such things as walking through walls with this environment
>removes it from the CP area.


	Trent didn't walk through a wall, it was a hologram.






Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: blain@netcom.com (Blain Strickel)
Subject: Re: MONDO 2000
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:06:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


In article <23002@twics.co.jp> chriscase@twics.co.jp writes:
>Are any of the people from the MONDO 2000 nexus in any newsgroups gerehere?
>e.g., R.U.Sirius, Queen Mu, Jas. Morgan, etcJoey Ito, etc.?


Mondo is Mondo ONLINE at MindVox, which is reachable at telnet phantom.com
or by dialing 212-988-5030.  MindVox is also home to a lot of their, and
other writers, including Bruce Sterling and Patrick Kroupa (one of the 
owner's of MindVox)  For more MindVox stuff you can ftp from ftp.eff.org
pub/cud/papers/mindvox.

Mondo also has a conference on the Well, which is reachable at telnet
well.sf.ca.us or by dialing 415-332-6106.  The Well is an older system
that has enjoyed considerable success in the past, although seems to be
faltering at the present time because of their inability/unwillingness
to change with the times and get some new software/hardware (it is still
running a conferencing system circia 1984, on a computer that is slowwwww,
the Well rarely responds at faster than an effective rate of 300-1200
baud, gag).

Both of the above are pay for use services, each one has a $15 monthly
minimum, with MindVox that gives 15 hours of use, plus time is billed at
a rate of $1 an hour after that.  With Well it gives no addition time and
is billed at a rate of $2 an hour after that.  MindVox might also be $2 an
hour over telnet, and $1 an hour local use, I'm not too clear on that.

Mondo is not online on the usenet due to "the excessive noise level, it's
not worth the time."


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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: K00L records: check em out !
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:07:57 GMT

In <1992Jul26.062003.17031@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>|Care to describe what you mean by "ambient techno"?
>|Seems to be a contradiction in terms....
>No, not really...Check out the portions of KLF's infamous Chill Out that have
>drums...The Orb is infamous, as well, for ambient techno..."A Huge
>Evergrowing.." just likes a bass kick, that's all...

Ok, I'm more accustomed to that being called "ambient house" because
it's got that boomy house kick drum.

>						You can still have music
>at 140 bpm w/o a "real" drumbeat.A lot of 808 State's ex:el waspar ticularlyrly
>ambeint...

I wouldn't say so, but that's just me....

>	Moby's stuff seems kinda ambient to me....Orbital...et al et al etc
>ad nauseum.....

Not much of Moby's stuff is ambient, though his remix of Fractal Zoom by
Brian Eno is pretty nice....

>You seem to be approaching this from the ambient + techno side...Most of us
>techno-freaks approach it from the techno + ambient side....

Actually, I'm more a fan of acid house than techno, so it's more of from
the acid/house/ambient side. :-)

>								For example, I'd
>say more techno-ists learned of ambience through groups like the Orb, KLF,
>rather than through Brian Eno....(but now Brian Eno is apparently getting into
>the techno side of things)...Your definition of ambient music may be a lot
>more hardcore than a lot of other people's....

Not really.  It's just that all the things you've described as "ambient
techno" are more what I have always heard called "ambient house", at
least when they really are particularly ambient (Orbital for example
is frequently outright techno--while I'm not generally a techno fan, I
think their work is excellent in all its forms).
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
      I'm having a wonderful time but I'd rather be whistling in the dark.
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: K00L records: check em out !
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 01:10:34 GMT

In <072592122233kafka@desert.hacktic.nl> kafka@desert.hacktic.nl writes:
>TZ 8 & TZ 9             TZ (Belgium)
>    The TZ records are ambient techno from Belgium. No information
>    whatsoever is given on the sleeve or label who the artists are,
>    what the songs are called etc. K00l ! The only text is TZ <no>.
>    The earlier TZ's are also very good !

Care to describe what you mean by "ambient techno"?

Seems to be a contradiction in terms....
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
   The city calls to me...it cries to me of its need.  And as I approach it,
     antennae twitching in anticipation, I see the city for what it is....
  A big place with lots of buildings, and lots of rooftops to jump around on.
From: bbarton@Ingres.COM (Brian Barton)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Kraftwerk is Cyberpunk?
Keywords: Kraftwerk CB? Sheesh...
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:32:34 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


Since when are pics of Kraftwerk considered cyberpunk?  Did I miss something?

I thought they were a bunch of 70's German synth freaks who were part of the
dare I say, "New Wave" music scene.

Excuse my ignorance, but if I had known that Kraftwerk was cyberpunk I would
have gladly used "cyberpunk" every chance I had during junior high school.

Brian
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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Subject: Re: K00L records: check em out !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.062003.17031@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy) writes...
>In article <1992Jul26.011034.6297@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>(Pete Hartman) writes: 
>|
>|Care to describe what you mean by "ambient techno"?
>|
>|Seems to be a contradiction in terms....
>|-- 
>|Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>|_____________________________________________________________________________
> 
>No, not really...Check out the portions of KLF's infamous Chill Out that have
>drums...The Orb is infamous, as well, for ambient techno..."A Huge
>Evergrowing.." just likes a bass kick, that's all...You can still have music
>at 140 bpm w/o a "real" drumbeat.A lot of 808 State's ex:el waspar ticularlyrly
>ambeint... Moby's stuff seems kinda ambient to me....Orbital...et al et al etc
>ad nauseum.....
> 
>You seem to be approaching this from the ambient + techno side...Most of us
>techno-freaks approach it from the techno + ambient side....For example, I'd
>say more techno-ists learned of ambience through groups like the Orb, KLF,
>rather than through Brian Eno....(but now Brian Eno is apparently getting into
>the techno side of things)...Your definition of ambient music may be a lot
>more hardcore than a lot of other people's

	yea the KLF chill out is old hat but it's cool. If you listen carefully
     you can hear Elvis Presly,Jimi Hendrix,808state's Pacific, and other
	goodies.
	
	If you really want something that's Ambient ...try listening
      to a tape of "120  Different Sound Effects From Outer Space".

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement,alt.rave
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: K00L records: check em out !
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 06:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.011034.6297@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
(Pete Hartman) writes: 
|
|Care to describe what you mean by "ambient techno"?
|
|Seems to be a contradiction in terms....
|-- 
|Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
|_____________________________________________________________________________

No, not really...Check out the portions of KLF's infamous Chill Out that have
drums...The Orb is infamous, as well, for ambient techno..."A Huge
Evergrowing.." just likes a bass kick, that's all...You can still have music
at 140 bpm w/o a "real" drumbeat.A lot of 808 State's ex:el waspar ticularlyrly
ambeint... Moby's stuff seems kinda ambient to me....Orbital...et al et al etc
ad nauseum.....

You seem to be approaching this from the ambient + techno side...Most of us
techno-freaks approach it from the techno + ambient side....For example, I'd
say more techno-ists learned of ambience through groups like the Orb, KLF,
rather than through Brian Eno....(but now Brian Eno is apparently getting into
the techno side of things)...Your definition of ambient music may be a lot
more hardcore than a lot of other people's....


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From: kafka@desert.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement,alt.rave
Subject: K00L records: check em out !
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:46:24 GMT
Organisation: innocent bystanders

I just bought some very k00l maxis:

TZ 8 & TZ 9             TZ (Belgium)
    The TZ records are ambient techno from Belgium. No information
    whatsoever is given on the sleeve or label who the artists are,
    what the songs are called etc. K00l ! The only text is TZ <no>.
    The earlier TZ's are also very good !

M1 - Then & Now         Emotive Records (US)
    Especially the songs 'Feel the drums' and 'Dynomite'.
    Emotive carries a lot of shit, but from time to time....

Wonka Beats - Aquastep  Wonka Limited Edition
    A compilation of previous releases on the Wonka (Belgium) label. K00l!

Serendipity             Wonka beats
    Contains the songs "It's just a feeling", "Do you feel me",
    "Oh, come on". Must have !

By the way, anybody heard the oldie 'Medication time' & 'Cyberspace'
from Cybersound records ? One of the coolest records I have in my
posession. Don't think it's available anymore. (L.T.D. edition
ravemaster copy), but if it is CHECK IT OUT !


    kafka (raving on)


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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Liquid TV
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:54:38 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <Brq39v.51t@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cdhanson@napier.waterloo.edu () writes:
>cerebrus@eskimo.celestial.com (Dan Scherck):writes
>
>>Well, actually, I kind of liked the Super Kid sequence that was done
>>completely by comouter. The boy who saves the world from the giant
>>robot bug was hilarious. The one I really could do without is Lydia's
>>Makovers... Yuk.
>
>  Actually i find it hard to believe that whole sequence was done using 
>computer graphics, some of it looked more like air-brush pictures, but the
>robot bug and cop cars did definitely look computer redered, because of their
>perfectly straight angles, (although that could also be done with air-brush),
>and their precise movements.  Hmmm, does anyone out there really know how the
>Super Kid sequence was made...?
>
First off, the title for this segment is "Grinning Evil Death".  The bug and
cop cars where done with computer graphics.  The Kid was done in tradition
animation, but animation that had been >aided< by computers.  ie, drawing
by hand, but coloring, etc by computer.

Lastly, check out Cinemax instead of HBO if you want to see Heavy Metal.

-- 
<<                                                               >>
<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<<                                                               >>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: cdhanson@napier.waterloo.edu ()
Subject: Re: Liquid TV
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:01:06 GMT

cerebrus@eskimo.celestial.com (Dan Scherck):writes

>Well, actually, I kind of liked the Super Kid sequence that was done
>completely by comouter. The boy who saves the world from the giant
>robot bug was hilarious. The one I really could do without is Lydia's
>Makovers... Yuk.
> I really wish HBO would air Heavy Metal again....

  Actually i find it hard to believe that whole sequence was done using 
computer graphics, some of it looked more like air-brush pictures, but the
robot bug and cop cars did definitely look computer redered, because of their
perfectly straight angles, (although that could also be done with air-brush),
and their precise movements.  Hmmm, does anyone out there really know how the
Super Kid sequence was made...?

Clint Hanson
"Watch more TV" - U2
|^)
 

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From: elee9tv@elroy.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Subject: Re: K00L records: check em out !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.011034.6297@bradley.bradley.edu>, pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes...
>In <072592122233kafka@desert.hacktic.nl> kafka@desert.hacktic.nl writes:
>>TZ 8 & TZ 9             TZ (Belgium)
>>    The TZ records are ambient techno from Belgium. No information
>>    whatsoever is given on the sleeve or label who the artists are,
>>    what the songs are called etc. K00l ! The only text is TZ <no>.
>>    The earlier TZ's are also very good !
> 
>Care to describe what you mean by "ambient techno"?
> 
>Seems to be a contradiction in terms....
>-- 
     I agree, how about heavy-metal elevator music?

   Dan
From: wendell.martin@matrix.sbs.com (Wendell Martin) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: MASAMUNE SHIROW CYBER
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: wendell.martin@matrix.sbs.com (Wendell Martin) 

Yay! Another anime fan here on .cyberpunk!  Isn't it curious that the US
is just now catching on to what's been commonly acclaimin for years in
Japan?

Wendell
                                                                                                
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Cyberhuman - Article about Stelarc (I-D feb 1992)
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:19:01 GMT

ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:

|I know that with every waking moment, neurons are dying.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|Audio() Burning Inside by Ministry; "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" 
|Visual() Sarah Connor's flesh on fire blasted away leaving screaming skeleton 

Maybe you need some audio-visual adjustment. 

	-Mike

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From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Subject: Me.. The Biography of an AI ..
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:47:27 GMT

  Me, by Thomas k. Thomas,   anyone know anything about it ??
From the back cover, I figured it was an autobiography of the first
concious AI, sounds cool, but is it worth reading ?

any info on it would be appreciated.
thanx..
Crim'

"New Tokyo, We make everything you need, You need everything we make"
       - - New Tokyo, 20 minutes into the Future 
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