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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Easy quiz answers required
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:53:49 GMT

ebroom@axion.bt.co.uk:
>Could anybody out there help me out with the following questions:
>1. In which science fiction world is the university librarian
>   an orang-utan?

D___

>2. Which "occidental" novel includes a length description of the
>   removal of a tree stump?

S___

>3. Which Pulitzer-prize winning novel was released as a film in
>   May 1992?
>
>4. How many publishers turned down the manuscript for Thor Heyerdahl's
>   bestseller "The Kon-Tiki Expedition"?
>
>5. Who was the first English woman to support herself wholly by writing?
>
>6. Tommy Stubbins became the assistant to which fictional doctor?

D___

Ack!  I should know 3 and 5 and I can't think of the answers.  Sorry,
I guess I can't help.  Maybe these questions aren't as easy as they look.

-- D___
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Accessing _Books in Print_: query
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:06:01 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Anybody know if it's possible to access Books in Print other than via
CompuServe?

-Ken

-- 
miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Graecis ac barbaris, sapientibus et
opinions are my own      | insipientibus debitor sum
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Homophobia (really not about  Homeschooling)
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:23:01 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1993Jan9.174508.29597@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> Should they be allowed to fire an employee if they discover he's Jewish?
> What if they feel that Jews undermine their "flaming fundie image"?
> 
> Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution

Sure.  And if they do so, they will probably have a hard time staying
in business, won't they?  Catering to neo-Nazis sounds like a fine
way to discover the ins and outs of bankruptcy law.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shouting at robots
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:37:34 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <19520@smoke.brl.mil> fsbrn@brl.mil writes:
...
>
>This is not the same as hitting the TV when the reception is bad
>(altho I don't see the logic in these days of solid state devices) or
>non-physical acts like shouting.  No one expects their stalled car to
>start if they slam the hood or pound on the dash, and they certainly
>don't crank the starter repeatedly.  Maybe keyboards should scream
>when they are abused to provide some feedback :-)

It worked on the Millenium Falcon, why not on my Honda?
Actually, one of my previous vehicles had a strange tachometer,
tapping the face of it removed the strangeness for a while.

And I had a tape deck that often wouldn't play unless the fascia
was struck just so, and in just the right place.  I used to
delight in demonstrating this to people who thought they were
audiophiles.  8-)  Evenutally, I found out that the problem was
some mechanical difficulty in the record mute switch.  Then I got
to demonstrate that the deck wouldn't work unless the magic
dragon figurine was in exactly the correct place...

Most (but not all) TV devices are susceptible to mechanical
problems in the wiring harness or transformer; often a sharp rap
up the side of the head fixes it, for the moment, if the moon is
in the proper phase...

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing)
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Keywords: Paglia (again!), rape
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:08:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.124919.16849@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:

>	But if Paglia's not in some way justifying rape, then her
>remarks are banal.

Well, she's not justifying rape, which she explicitly says is a deplorable
crime that should be punished. Is she therefore making banal comments?
That's for you to judge, I suppose, but it would help if you quit
approaching her writing by deciding in advance what she "must be" saying.


--Mike


-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Cross-Writing (was: Books I Got For Xmas)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 JAN 93 01:14:32 GMT

The RABworm writes:

>Heather henderson writes:
>
>	Do they teach Wodehouse and Benson in literature courses at Oxford?
> 
>Of course they do. 

You Brits have all the bloody fun.  I wish I could have read Wodehouse
for credit.

>Several women writers in England taught/teach in major universities

There are one or two women writers who teach in universities here, too,
ya know.

>Any more questions?

Yes: maybe *you* can think of more female authors who have written from
a male point of view.  I'm stuck at three right now, and there must
be more.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Subject: Re: Het Boys (was: Homophobia)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:59:59 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]


What's all this buffoonery got to do with books & literature, I am
moved to enquire. All very interesting in its place I'm sure, but
in rec.arts.books?

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From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: another Atlanta rabfest
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:25:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

Meg and I, envious of the SF boating jaunt, had our own little rabfest again
today.  We went to Oxford Books.  We chatted for awhile first and gossiped
about the rest of the rabble.  Then we hit the stacks.  We each bought a copy
of _Halo_.  It has a nice cover, Tom.  I haven't started it yet.  We spent a
good while browsing through fiction and discussing authors we like and dislike.
Then we checked out the computer books, art books, coloring books, women's
studies books, cookbooks, calendars, stationery...  It was a delightful 
afternoon, sans tea.


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000.gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: academic settings
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:06:56 GMT

Stephanie Moskal Fysh writes, with regard to David Lodge views of
academe:
>No additional recommendations (it's a Mushy Brain Day).  But I just
>came back from the MLA Convention in NYC and IT'S TRUE! IT'S TRUE!

Sometime when it's not an MBD, Stephanie, could you tell us more?
I'd love to hear about the MLA (what does that stand for, anyway?
Modern Language Association? or is it Masters of Literary Arts?)
and what you mean by "IT'S TRUE! IT'S TRUE!".  

				              --a curious webster
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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Shouting at robots
Organization: UCLA Hell Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 04:44:03 GMT

Tom Maddox offers:
 
>	I merely alluded to the story.  I did not enter it in Prof. McDuck's
>contest.  In fact, for unintentionally misleading you into believing that
>I was trying to gain the prize, I will myself contribute a coupon good for
>a Big Mac and Big Fries to the winner of the prize (unintended rhyme alert)
>provided that the winner is actually hungry enough to eat such swill.  If 
>not, I will agree to meet the winner at Cactus Taqueria (close by the 
>Rockridge BART station) and buy and carry to the winner's table a taco or 
>tostada of the winner's choice (I recommend the carne asada taco myself)
>along with a reasonable selection of side dishes and drinks.

  Since Dave is dead (see his 2nd entry into jmc's sweepstakes, under the
changed rules), I assume he will not be able to take you up on the offer.
I can assure you though that the poor sucker would rather drop dead then
consume the trademark of American Civilization.  Also, he prefers burritos
to tacos.  Make that "preferred".

  As I'm taking over, I may accept your invitation if circumstances allow
and if Dave posthumously wins Prof. McFuck's contest.  I doubt that, now.

  On a related note, if the Man Who Fused Arithmetic with Nonsense could write, 
or at least read whatever he wrote, there might have been one less fatality.

  Sorry to sound bitter.  How often does someone's incompetence kill your
alter-ego?

 - David

--
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From: bhanafee@picasso.ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
Subject: Re: Self-knowledge of bookstore workers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:52:53 GMT


In article <1993Jan3.190231.872@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
>Read something interesting recently in a book by Eric Schiller, to the effect
>that the endless sea of info is useless to any who don't know what they're
>looking for.  Much akin to Neil Postman's point in Amusing Ourselves to Death
>that news etc, despite its aura of urgency, is merely entertainment.

This brings to mind an ad I heard on the radio yesterday.  The ad was
suggesting a TV news broadcast (KPIX, for you locals) as a source of
news that "goes deeper than headlines".  I had to wonder if the guy
has ever noticed all those little words underneath the big headlines.

-- Brian


--
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: ADDICTED READING OF COOKBOOKS ( WAS Re: LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 4 JAN 93 21:10:26 GMT

Mary Loveless writes:

>I first became hooked on cookbook reading when, unable to cope with
>*further* liveliness of the '60s in Inner City Detroit, my lover showed me
>his copy of _The Joy of Cooking_, in which the recipe for cheese pie (as
>best as I can recall) started with this startling phrase, "Our vile
>tempered Swiss cook, Marguerite...."  I never did get the pie to come out
>right, but I read the book from cover to cover looking for more little
>tid-bits from the lives of Rombauer et al.

That book is known in our house as _The Joy of German Cooking, Midwest
Style_.

Among my favorite cookbooks-to-be-read-as-prose are _The Alice B. Toklas
Cook Book_, which contains the famous recipe for "hashish fudge"
(no, *not* brownies), and _Simple Cooking_ by John Thorne (unbelievably
good recipes for stuffed grape leaves).

Calvin Trillin's _American Fried_ is not a cookbook, but I would
recommend it to any food lover/cookbook hound.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: academic settings
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:39:14 GMT

There's also _Young_Adult_Novel_ by Daniel Pinkwater

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From: gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:27:37 GMT

In article <1ig2jjINN2kj@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
(adolphson) writes:

>That was sloppy writing on my part.  It was indeed Sterne's
>technique.  I happen to enjoy Sterne's (and Nabokov's) self-
>referentiality, but can't abide it from other authors.  I'm
>not quite sure why that is, either.

Because they are funny?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Phoenix bookstores?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:30:20 GMT

In article <1it4g3INN123@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>(Continuing the travelling biblioholic thread....)
>
>I don't see anything for Phoenix included in the list of bookstores in
>various places.  Anybody have any recommendations?  

	Shop in Berkeley.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Paul Johnson (was Paglia)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:35:27 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1ijesiINNiav@phakt.usc.edu> rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron  
Hogan) writes:
> Tim Starr writes:
> in response to Ron Hogan
> 
> >}It's like the Albert Goldman school of intellectual history-- not  
so much
> >}sunlight being the best disnfectant as dragging historical  
figures through
> >}the mud.
> 
> >They dragged themselves through the mud.  Johnson just exposed it.
> 
> That, of course, hinges on whether or not we agree on the nature of  
'mud'.
> The main thing, which Mike has pointed out as well, as that a good  
number
> of the incidents with which Johnson indicts his subjects aren't  
relevant
> to the core of their intellectual output, in the same way that  
Albert
> Goldman's biographies of Elvis and Lennon contribute little, if  
anything,
> to a serious discussion of their cultural contributions.

This is true for some, but not true for others.  Marx's flaws,
for example, do relate to the core of his intellectual output.
Johnson criticizes his intellectual dishonesty, for example:
Marx, in making claims that capitalist society would never
take steps to fix inequeties, used figures from reports 
generated by British organizations that were doing just that--taking
steps toward fixing the inequities.
> 
> To pick an example that Johnson ignores (at least I think so, it's  
been
> a while since I read the book): Norman Mailer stabbed one of his  
wives,
> treated a lot of people like shit, and sponsored the release of a  
guy
> whose later actions proved that he should not have been let out of  
prison.
> 
> (the guy's last name was Abbott, I forget the full name.  Mailer  
read some
> of his writing, and urged for his parole.  Less than a month after  
that
> parole was obtained, Abbott killed another guy)
> 
> Does any of this have anything to do with Mailer's talent as a  
writer?

But in fact Johnson says just that.  For a number of the
people he talks about, he does point out that they produced
marvelous things and yet personally acted in repugnant ways.
Read his sections on Tolstoy and Ibsen, for example.



--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: academic settings
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:49:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.160656.1623@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>Stephanie Moskal Fysh writes, with regard to David Lodge views of
>academe:
>>No additional recommendations (it's a Mushy Brain Day).  But I just
>>came back from the MLA Convention in NYC and IT'S TRUE! IT'S TRUE!
>
>Sometime when it's not an MBD, Stephanie, could you tell us more?
>I'd love to hear about the MLA (what does that stand for, anyway?
>Modern Language Association? or is it Masters of Literary Arts?)
>and what you mean by "IT'S TRUE! IT'S TRUE!".  
>
>				              --a curious webster

Oh, curious webster, you are in luck!  My MBD has ended, replaced by
an ABD (alert brain day).
The MLA is indeed the Modern Language Association, and 10,000 or so of
us gathered in New York City between Christmas and New Years to
convene (and, for students, to look for jobs!).  Academics in tweed
jackets and silk scarves took over 2 enormous hotels in their
entirety, and virtually filled to capacity 8 others.  Everywhere you
went (restaurants, etc.) there were men and women wearing enormous
white badges and carrying ugly brown journals and bags of publishers
catalogues.
There were 715(a) events, ranging from groups of papers on "gender and
graduate studies", "Shelley in a postmodern age", "the future of the
profession" and "French Antillean discourse"; to Annual Luncheons and
Dinners of various affiliated societies; official meetings of the MLA
and the Presidential Address; Poetry Readings; and, of course, Cash
Bars, about 50 of them, held by groups as various as the Rutgers
University Department of English, the Keats-Shelley and Byron
Societies, and the Marxist Literary Group (formerly known as the
Marxist-Leninist Cash Bar).
The most popular paper topics this year seemed to be (vaguely and
unscientifically determined) tenure and promotion ("How Women Can Get
Tenure at Small Institutions without Being Institutionalized"),
lesbian studies ("Prosthetizing the `Female Husband': Fielding's
Homosexual-Textual Panic"), and, of course, Theory and related stuff
("Can Things Ever Be Perfectly Correct?").
Thanks, in part, to Lodge's novel, the MLA has finally learned to take
itself *slightly* less seriously.  This year there was a session on
"The Humor of the MLA", including a paper on *last* year's most talked
about paper - "Jane Austen and the Mastuatating Three-Button Jacket;
or, Tenured Radical Chic".
Next December the MLA will be invading my home town of Toronto, and,
as I don't imagine I'll have the flu again, I shall endeavour to give
a *full* report of the goings on!
-- 
Stephanie Moskal Fysh    |   "Today an eighteenth-century scholar may well
Dept. of English         |   be Jewish, female, or generally irreverent."
Univ. of Toronto         |                             - Lawrence Lipking
(sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca) |                            
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:39:59 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.books article, Michael Grimes wrote:

>This topic raises a few subtopics and some personal FAQs.  To other 
>bilbiophiles:  Do you ever have people enter your house, see all the books on 
>the shelves and ask," Gee, have you read all these?"

No, but I have had my landlord tell me to redistribute the books or he
wouldn't vouch for the strength of the floor.

And I've had customs inspectors say "What are you, teachers??" when we
returned to Canada after a foray to Powell's. 

And I had someone say "Gee, who did you inherit those from?"

Marcy

P.S. I recently read Friedman's _Who_Wrote_the_Bible_. It was pretty good,
     but it drove me crazy, anyhow. I took several classes from Professor
     Friedman in the late 70s, and he was a bear about grammar. Split
     infinitves and the passive voice seemed to be his particular bugaboos.
     I knew people who used to get their papers back with so many red
     marks on them, that they could have been used as in a bullfight.
     So, when this particular book dropped (frequently) into the passive
     voice, I had a hard time reconciling what I was reading with the
     Richard Friedman I had known. 

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com
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From: athena@cheshire.oxy.edu (Staci Ann Waldroop)
Subject: Re: Education and the Environment by Gregory A. Smith
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:06:14 GMT

As a follow-up to my previous post, I just want to add that I just signed onto
this group and simply responded in turn...in case my comments seemed a little 
out of touch with the evolving commentary.   Secondly, I would like to qualify
my opinions with this admission...I am studying to be a teacher.  Perhaps I am
biased...I would say so except my belief in individual and community respons-
ibility extend to all areas of my personal philosophy (though they are the 
strongest in environmental and educational issues).  To those of you whom I o
ffended, I apologize...I am just stating my opinion.
		Staci A. Waldroop
		Occidental College
		Los Angeles, CA
		*English and Comparative Literary Studies*

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From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: ADDICTED READING OF COOKBOOKS ( WAS Re: LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE)
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:09:21 GMT

In article <1ia0nkINNgjt@shelley.u.washington.edu> hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless) writes:
>
>I first became hooked on cookbook reading when, unable to cope with
>*further* liveliness of the '60s in Inner City Detroit, my lover showed me
>his copy of _The Joy of Cooking_, in which the recipe for cheese pie (as
>best as I can recall) started with this startling phrase, "Our vile
>tempered Swiss cook, Marguerite...."  I never did get the pie to come out
>right, but I read the book from cover to cover looking for more little
>tid-bits from the lives of Rombauer et al.

Precious little of that in _The Joy of Cooking_.  Try any of Elizabeth
David's cookbooks, particularly _An Omelette and a Glass of Wine_.  You
might also be interested in _Curries and Bugles_; I've forgotten the
author's name.  Recipes for Indian dishes interspersed with entertaining
sketches of the life of the British Raj in the waning days of Empire.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: batboy@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Bookstore Anecdote
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:05:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:

>It is pretty sad when bookstore employees don't know even the
>basics about literature. (And this wasn't a national chain, but
>a local one that prides itself on being a really good bookstore.)
>I think more bookstores should be like Borders and have employees
>pass tests before being hired.

Don't let those government-interventionists here you say that.

>Andrew Hall
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