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From: msv@unlinfo.unl.edu (mark vanroojen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Supro
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:48:56 GMT
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Supro amps have been around for a long time, though I think that they 
were last made in the 60s.

The one you are talking about using 6973 outputs is very likely of 
late vintage since this is a tube introduced either in the late 50s or
the 60s.  There is no direct equivalent for it.  It's basing is very 
different from a 6V6. (6V6s have octal bases, whereas the 6973 is a 
mini 9 pin.)  
It required a lower drive voltage than the 
similar 9 pin tubes like the 6BQ5 (as I recall).

Supro was related to National (of steel Guitar fame).  I think that 
they were National's Budget brand.  They made many cool lapsteel 
guitars, but also made others.  I suspect that the first Supro amp 
would have been made in the forties.  National was originally 
headquartered in LA (as I recall) but ended upt in Chicago (again I'm 
going from memory).  I do not believe that they were ever purchased by
fender.

Jensen, the speaker company was also out of Chicago.  Many many amp 
companies purchased speakers from them, including Fender, and probably
also Supro and National.

On a related note, older Gibson Guitar amps were produced by magnivox 
for many many years.  The early ones used field coil (as opposed to 
permanent magnet) speakers.  (So did some amps by National.)

Each of these companies made some cool amps.

It is important to remember that the sound is a function of circuitry 
and components, so that amps with similar circuits can sound different
for a number of reasons, including choice of speaker, transformer, 
tube type, and so on.  I've been told that part of the old Fender 
sound has to do with the high B+ voltage on the plates of the tube, 
and I have some confirmation of this from building a champ copy with 
different transformers (including a power transformer with a lower 
B+).  It sounded good, but not like my old champ.

Hope this information is of use!

msv@unlinfo.unl.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.makers.bass
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Clicking [was Speaker Simulator Boxes for Recording]
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:41:55 GMT


>I have this problem a lot and haven't found an adequate solution.  The
>click, as far as I can tell, is caused by the string hitting the first fret
>(the one next to the one you are playing).  The obvious solution is to have
>the action (string height at saddle and neck relief) adjusted FOR HIS
>PLAYING STYLE.  Next is to try to find the click "frequency" and EQ it out.


I play pretty aggressively a lot of the time, and I click quite a bit.  
But I like it; I'd say it is *part* of my playing style.  While 
this isn't the case for a lot of bassists, it is for some (listen to
Steve Harris in Iron Maiden), and not just metal players either, so keep 
that in mind.  




s
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: donahn@borland.com (Don Ahn)
Subject: Re: String Problem
Originator: donahn@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: guitar,strings
Organization: Borland International
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:05:14 GMT


As far as the problem reguarding changing strings for the first time on
a EVH guitar:

1.  The Floyd is BLOCKED (i.e. there is a metal plate welded to the bottom
	of the Floyd which pulls flat to another metal plate on the body).
	Thus you can't "pull up" and can only dive with the bar. You
	get more sustain that way, its easier to tune up, and you can bend
	on one string without detuning the others.  Also, there is
	absolutely no way for this bridge to get out of wack,
	since it doesn't float.

2.  Eddie uses a guage of strings which are semi-flat (i.e. somewhat
	ground down round wound strings).  This gives the guitar
	a warmer sound, and keeps the frets from buzzing with low action.
	The set he originally used was Fender XL150's (9's).  He then
	had his custom 5150 strings which as far as I can tell are
	identical to the Fender XL150's.  The exact guages are (memorized
	after years of string changes) .009 .011 .015 .024 .032 .040  .
	You will note that other very popular round wound string sets
	go: .009 .011 .016 .024 .032 .042 (D'Addario's for instance).
	The low E is both bigger and rounder, and if I had to guess
	from the description, you replaced a semi-flat .040 with a round
	.042 .  I've done the same thing on guitar and experienced more
	buzzing.  Other vendors may supply .009-.040 strings, but make
	sure they are semi-flat if you are going to use them.


-Don Ahn
donahn@borland.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: META000 <META@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Tubes vs. Transistors
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.010212.24138@eecs.nwu.edu> ray@eecs.nwu.edu (Jim Ray) writes:
>I need a new amp.  I have heard tubes are the only way to go.
>Transistors are much more reliable.  Is there a way to get the same
>effect of a tube amp at a small signal level or even digitally and
>then use a transistor power amp to get the volume?
>
This question of reliability is one ofthose myths that persist
despite evidence to the contrary.  I bought a 59 Fender Princeton in
1976.  It worked flawlessly at that time, andsince then, I have
changed the speaker, and little else.  Will someone explain to me
how this "unreliable" tube amp has gone so long with so little
maintenance?  In 1983, I boughta mid-60's Fender tremolux, also
vintage tubes, etc. andheld on to it for a few years, without the
need for any maintenance whatsoever.  At present, I have recently
acquired a 59 Bassman, and the only problems in it seem to stem from
dried out capacitors in thepower supply.

Tube amplifiers may take longer to warm up, but unless one acts very
rudely towards them, I find their reliability to be every bit as
high as top of the linesolid state stuff.  Any problems that occur
have less to do with the tubes than with the accompanying components
(caps, transformers, etc.).  A second advantage of tube design is
that tubes may beremoved and replaced with other models/brands, to
yield somewhat different tones.  Altering the fundamental timbral
characteristics of a solidstate ampisa major undertaking by
comparison.

If you LIKE the sound of solid state amps, that's one thing.  If you
like the light weight, and ease with which features like channel
switching are incorporated cheaply, that's another. But NEVER assume
that a solid state amp will somehowbe more trustworthy, last longer,
abreak down less, and be cheaper to repair, than a tube amp. Make
your choice based on the sound, features, and design.  Arguments
about reliability are moot when it comes to guitar amps.  Now, would I
buy a tube television?  A whole different kettle of fish.
M Hammer
From: v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Damage to a tube Marshall?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:43:00 GMT
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Organization: Leavenworth Federal Penetentiary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Heres a problem addressable to those well versed in tube 'technology'.  I
purchased a Marshall JCM900 a while back and was rather dissapointed in the
sound I was getting.  Weak tone and gain in an amp that had received good
reviews in both areas.  Nonetheless, I kept playing for a while using a 
distortion stomp box and an eq pedal to compensate for the lack of tone.  I
finally decided to look at the tubes which is something I wouldnt think of
looking at for problems in a new amp.  Behold, a cracked, unsilvered 
12AX7 sitting in the middle socket!  I had been playing through a faulty
tube all this time.  I got myself 3 new tubes and the sound improved, but
the sound Im getting now is leading me to believe that I had damaged the
amp.  I cant explain, but the sound just isnt Marshall and it definitely is
not as mean as a hi-gain amp should be.  Well, can anyone speculate whether
there exists a problem in the amp.  Maybe the problem is in my expectations
but Ive heard other Marshalls before and this one just doesnt do the things
the other amps Ive played through did for me.  (BTW it was a mail order
purchase.)

Thanks in advance
Jason
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.synth
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:14:51 -0500 
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: WANTED: Vintage Guitar Synthesizer


I'm looking for a vintage guitar synth. 

Specifically, I am looking for the Roland GR300. This model predated the
MIDI guitars; it's little, floor-standing, and blue. It requires one of
Roland's custom GR guitars with a special pickup and socket. This is the
model that Pat Metheny plays when he isn't using his Synclavier. 

It doesn't look like there are many of these around. Any leads would be
helpful, however. 

Thanks in Advance.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Fender M-80
From: lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Lionel Ginzburg)
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:17:08 GMT
Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN
Summary: my admittedly unprofessional guess

In article <1992Nov15.062332.22489@sfu.ca> shinyash@fraser.sfu.ca (Kazuya Shinyashiki) writes:
>I have a Fender M-80 Chorus (twin speakers) and I have a slight problem with
>it.  When I crank the distortion (and all the other distortion controls), it
>squeels like nuts.  I have to turn the distortion down to 7 or 8 to shut it
>up.  What's up?

Well, assuming that "all the other distortion controls" doesn't refer to
your master volume (the knob on the right) it sounds like you have a
microphonic pickup.  This is very noticable in the Fender M-80's,
because they can put out a hell of a lot of overdrive.  Try using
another guitar with your amp; try using another pickup on your guitar;
plug your guitar into another amp, etc.

I had the same problem with my Ibanez Artist Solidbody.  I ended up
replacing the bridge pickup with a Duncan JB, and now I get no squeal,
and better sounding distortion...:)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se (Pelle Arvinder)
Subject: Bridge adjustment #2
Reply-To: etxpell@mega.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:45:17 GMT

Having followed the discussion about intonation adjustments, I have a question
about action adjustments:
On my Ibanez "Licensed under Floyd Rose..." bridge, it's possible to adjust
the action on each sadle individually. 
There are also two screws on the upper and lower side of the bridge, that I 
suppose would adjust the action of all strings.
Correct? Is there any difference in using the two big screws, or using the
ones on each sadle?

I have just changed gauge from .009 to .010 + tuned down 1/2 step, to get a
new sound from my guitar (and it makes it easier to steal Nuno's licks :-),
so I'm trying to summon enough courage to start fixing the action and 
intonation.

Since I have a chromatic tuner that tells me that the harmonic and fretted
notes at the 12th bar now differ 5-10%, I would think that if I can get the 
open string AND the fretted 12th AND the harmonic to the same pitch, 
that's it?
Or should I call my local music store and not start playing around with the
bridge myself??

Cheers,
       Pelle
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: Richard.Banks@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Gibson and Ibanez guitars
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:51:45 GMT

I'm trying to decide whether to buy a Yamaha GSX 312 of the
Ibanez 770.  If anyone owns either one of these guitars could you
please give me your opinions on them.  Thanks.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Subject: Replacement Humbuckers...Gibson '57 reissues
Organization: University of Rochester
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:00:06 GMT

Hi there toonsters!

	Having just recently puchased the Heritage ES-335ish guitar that
I posted about a week ago, I was wondering if anyone out
there has had any experience with the Gibson 57 reissue 
humbuckers.  Mainly, I would like to know how they compare with
other high end humbuckers.  I figure that they must be pretty good
since they are standard on the high end Gibsons.

Thanks a bunch,

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland)
Subject: Need straight dope on Fender Champ 25
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:18:28 GMT

Well, this request is getting its Nth airing, so far with no
feedback (thanku) from persons with direct experience.  As 
always, any replies are appreciated.

I am looking at a Fender Champ 25, new, for $350.  It seems a
good compromise of 
a) price
b) tube amp / solid state preamp
c) loud clean un-distorted sound
d) wide variety of selectable sounds
e) lightweight portability
f) sufficient volume to sit in with a small group
     (i.e. not concert stack volume but fairly loud)

Do y'all have experience with or opinions of this device?  I
have had a Fender Princeton, used, recommended in the same
vein.

pquince
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,misc.forsale
From: dpm@msc.edu (David P. Mottaz)
Subject: For sale: 1962 Gibson SG(Les Paul Jr.) guitar
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:37:39 GMT

Cherry red, original P90 pickup.  Well played(maybe that is a matter of
opinion :-) er, well used.  Frets are in excellent condition(recently
dressed original frets), new pots, new Gibson P90 pickup cover.

Deviations from stock are Grover machines, an adjustable bridge,
and a Dimarzio humbucker pickup(in the middle position - the P90
is in the bridge position and there is no neck position pickup).

$400.00 (offers welcome)

I am not willing to ship this guitar.  I set Distribution: to world
because "mn" didn't work.  Who knows, maybe someone will be in town
on a trip or something :-)  Call or email if you are interested.

-David Mottaz
 dpm@msc.edu  (612)625-7589  (home=(612)646-0910)
 Minnesota Supercomputer Center Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: winger@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Mark Winger)
Subject: Re: Fender? Supro-Anyone know what this is?
Reply-To: winger@minnow.UUCP (Mark Winger)
Organization: Unisys Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:11:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.165459.5372@minnow.sp.unisys.com> winger@minnow.UUCP (Mark Winger) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.161059.4421@ncsu.edu> npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know about a Supro amp?
>>
>"deleted stuff"
>>
>>My questions are:  Is this a real fender that they made under another name? a 
>>fender clone? If a 6973 is a power tube, does it have any equivalent (6V6's ??)
>>in today's numbering system, if not can you still get 6973's.
>
>No, this not a fender.  It is an off brand amp called SUPRO.  I had on in 
>the late 60's with a single 10" and about 50 watts.  Sounded nice but 
Wops----------------------------------------^ should be 15 watts
>too small for the demands of the times.  I Have only seen a few Supro amps

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From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: MAILING LIST: Rolling Stones
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:23:49 GMT
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discussion of the Rolling Stones. Discussion topics may include: bootleg
trading, how-to guitar playing advice, information about recent books
such as Wyman's Stone Alone and others, perspectives on recent solo
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To be added to (or removed from) the list: 
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Looking forward to hearing from you all soon...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: seh003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Your advice...
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.30110.28481@ms.uky.edu>, billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:
> dxk21@po.cwru.edu (Dave K.) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>>   Suppose a person who is a fan of rock n roll/heavy metal came up
>>to you and said that they just bought a new electric guitar and amp.
>>What would be you advice for this person in terms of what to work on/play
>>first?
> 
  [...]

> There has to be a real inspiration.  I teach guitar and I always ask the
> beginners "Why did you decide to learn the guitar?"  And I get all kinds
> of answers.  Another thing I do is to make the students that want to learn
> a guitar riff/solo hum the part that they want to learn.  Even if they can't
> hit the notes with their voice - It really helps.  If they can't hum it
> then I won't teach it.  I mean if you can't hum the intro to "Sweet Child of
> Mine" then how can you expect your fingers to play it on a guitar?  
> I't will help develop your ear - to learn songs/riffs on your own.

I'd like to re-emphasize this.  I've been playing keyboards and composing for
about 10 years and playing guitar about 2 weeks (after 1 year of playing and
two years of giving up).  I'm taking a music theory and ear training course 
right now and we have sing everything!  We've learned to sing things we hear 
before writing them down (melodic dictation as my prof calls it).  I strongly 
recommend singing or humming parts before playing them, it's great for your 
ear and your playing!

As for music...if you're a Metallica fan...the stuff from the "Metallica" album
is reasonably easy.  Just ignore all the solos and learn the rhythms parts! 
You can find tablature for that album anywhere.  Early Iron Maiden is
reasonable, too, just don't bother with the solos for awhile.  Good luck!

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Fender? Supro-Anyone know what this is?
Originator: npstewar@c00724-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:10:59 GMT


Does anyone know about a Supro amp?

I ran into this little oddball amp that was nicely worn in.  It didn't have any
logo other than Supro - but it was nothing like a Fender Super so I don't think
it was a clone (at least of the super).  It had 2 8"? speakers (looked small for
10's but not positive) that had the old silver/blue Fender logo on them (could 
be replacements.) It was all tube, about 20-30 watts guessing, but the power
tubes weren't anything I'm use to.  As far as I could tell, the pair of 6973's
on the power supply chassis was the power section.  It had a 5U4 rectifier,
and the power supply (and power amp if I'm right) were on a separate chassis
that sat in the bottom of the amp.  It had vibrato, but I can't remember if it
had reverb (but I don't think it did). The combo had a subdued tan/grey covering
of what looked to be some sort of fabric.

We cranked it up a little in the store, and a fight broke out between my friends
and myself who got to buy the thing - it had a really sweet clean sound, with
just a hint of crunch in the vibrato channel (But I think it was due to the age
of the preamp tubes considering our low volume.)

My questions are:  Is this a real fender that they made under another name? a 
fender clone? If a 6973 is a power tube, does it have any equivalent (6V6's ??)
in today's numbering system, if not can you still get 6973's.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: RE: Gibson Oddity
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 20 NOV 92 12:00:45    


In article <1992Nov19.201232.22509@qualcomm.com>, dweber@lark.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber) writes...
>    Pretty cool, huh! The nice thing about it is since the P-90's
>   are single coils you get some strat type bright sounds with
>   combinations not available with the standard strat 5-way switch.
>   I did find out it was serialized in Nashville on Dec 4, 1984 from
>   a fellow netter, I am still curious as to how many of this particular
>   make and model were produced. Does anyone know how to find out? Also
>   were there any other Gibson guitars with 3 P-90s as opposed to 3
>   single coils?

I've seen a couple of these floating around, they are not that rare.

Other Gibsons with three P90s?  There was a Thunderbird model, and early ES-5
Switchmasters had P-90s rather than humbuckers.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: RE: TELE & PRS For Sale
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:04:27 GMT

Tele was sold within hours of posting.

I'm keeping the PRS

Thanks, -Jaz

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