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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:17:03 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 274

In this issue:
                             queer'n'asian
                            Sam Kinison dead
                             H. Ross Perot
                 a friend is looking for some books...
             John Morrison's article in Christopher Street
                         NAT. GAURD / RESERVES
                           gay men and caring
            Physically disadvantaged lesbigay associations.

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From: Thanalakshmi.Subramaniam@Dartmouth.EDU
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:45:56 EDT
Subject: queer'n'asian

hi, i'm trying to figure out if anyone knows where and how  i cld order one
of those "queer'n'asian" t-shirts. i live in new hampshire, if that wld
narrow down mailing options. oh, and cld someone mail me a copy of the
article on the pink angels that got posted recently?
shimi
"the police claim that the unarmed patrols have actually made the streets
saferbut we wonder how anyone could feel safe with flaming thugs prancing up
and down the street all night?
the dartmouth review on the Pink Angels

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:39:32 EST
From: Mike.W.Miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: Sam Kinison dead

Former Protestant preacher, comedian, and noted misogynist homophobe Sam
Kinison was killed last night in an auto wreck near the California/Nevada
border.  Kinison was on his way to an engagement at a casino in Las Vegas
when his truck collided with a pick-up truck.  His wife of just a few days
is still in serious condition.

Kinison's death raises the dilemma of what to feel.  You have to have sym-
pathy for those who were close to him, regardless of the fact that he was
slime.  But it's certainly nice to have one less loud hatemonger in the
world.

Peace,
Mike!

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:52:26 EST
From: Mike.W.Miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: H. Ross Perot

H. Ross Perot (and would you stop spelling it any other way!) was on CNN's
Evans and Novak this morning.  Aside from showing that in general he doesn't
have very well defined views on anything, he once again proved that he will
definitely be no friend of gays and lesbians in particular, and oppressed
peoples in general.

First, he again used the phrase "limp-wristed", this time in the context of
gun control.  I challenge anyone to again claim that this use of the word
doesn't imply wimpy, weak, and ineffectual -- characteristics which are *only*
part of the connotation because of their being part of the effeminate gay
male stereotype.

But more tellingly, Novak (I think -- it may have been Evans, cause I was
just listening at this point, not watching) asked Perot a fabulously phrased
question:

   Let's talk about the (financial) benefits extended to married couples.
   Would you support the extention of these benefits to unisex couples
   who live together -- and love each each other.  (brief pause)  We've
   just done that here in the District of Columbia.

Perot's answer was along the lines that if you were president, he would have
hundreds of special interest groups clamoring for his attention and favors a
and that you can't satisfy them all.  He then gave what was at the point becomia
 tiring line about not having considered that issue, and again said that he
could be expected to have consided "what to do about every stray dog in the
District of Columbia."

I don't expect many LGB people will be tempted to vote for Perot should he get
on the ballot in all 50 states and he decides to officially run, at least
not the people who read and participate in GayNet.  But I do hope that he does
decide to run, because it should fracture the Republican vote and help the
Democrats in the fall if Perot is being taken seriously.

But then again, what do I know.  I still hope the Tsongas will win the nom-
ination...

Peace,
Mike!

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Date: 11 Apr 92 21:24:00 EST
From: "SUPPORTERS AND HOMOSEXUALS ON CAMPUS" <SHOC@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Subject: a friend is looking for some books...

Hi Everyone!
	A friend is looking for some books for a friend (right, I know, I
question that part too).  But anyhow, here are the general areas of interest
that he gave to me.  I know this is really vague, but this is the best he
can do.

1) A book about how someone derived the strength to realize their sexual
ID, whatever that may be (gay, lesbian, bi, straight, whatever).

2) Something about grappling with one's sexual ID (again, doesn't matter who
wrote it).

3) Some groups to join, like interest groups.  He's looking for something
mainstream here...I suggested NGLTF.  Anyone else have any other suggestions?

Like I said, I know these categories are quite open-ended, but I'm hoping
someone can help me out, as I have read little to none in the way of books.

Thanks,
Eileen Gonthier

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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:15:21 MST
From: Gabriel <G9348712%NMSUVM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      John Morrison's article in Christopher Street

There's no doubt that Mr. M.'s articles slamming feminism are mean-spirited.
A number of posters have claimed that it is also undocumented.  This is
not quite correct.  The recent article focuses on two things:
   (1) It claims that *The* lesbian-feminist stance on AIDS is (to paraphrase)
       "We've done a hell of a lot for those guys, and it's about time they
        returned us the favor."  This is 'documented' through a fairly large
        number of quoted letters to the editors of gay newspapers.  Assuming
        that the letters are not fakes, they certainly are misandric (remember,
        that's not my word).  Mr. M.'s conclusion is that lesbian-feminists,
        like the Catholic Church, feel duty-bound to help the suffering, but
        do their duty only because it is a duty.  I think it's a correct
        conclusion *for*the*persons*who*wrote*the*letters* but this sort of
        'documentation' is called _anecdotal_, and is statistically not of any
        significance.
   (2)  Mr. M. claims that the actual numbers of lesbians helping out in the
        AIDS crisis is less than is being touted (by lesbians and others).
        He documents this _via_ a chart apparently obtained through the Shanti
        Project, in which paid staff, clients, unpaid volunteers, etc., are
        classified in several ways (ethnicity, gender, etc.).  According to
        this chart, 12 percent of the unpaid volunteers are lesbians or
        bisexual women, and 18 percent of the paid staff are lesbian or
        bisexual women.  Mr. M. sees this percentage as being much less than
        the proportion touted by the PC folks.
        I have no way of validating the accuracy of the chart -- I am just a
        reader from the uncoast.  Are the true proportions larger than 12 or
        18?  Are those fractions significantly less than people think?

I don't see any reason to think that women getting themselves free should be a
threat to men (strait or unstrait).  I have certainly come across individual
women who, in the process of liberating themselves and their appropriate anger
from the centuries of oppression, have made my life a little more painful (and
not by accident).  I do discover myself recoiling sometimes when people throw
Patriarchy slogans at me.  I find myself not wanting to spend time among some
lesbians sometimes because I just don't want to have to listen when they throw
the same words at me, in exactly the same order, that they throw at someone
else.  I don't like this go-away-and-hide attitude I've got, because I don't
want to put self-proteection always as my top priority when I'm dealing with
another person.  But I don't see any change soon.

Gabriel

I'll support a Bush/Clinton ticket, but only if it's Kate and Kate.

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Date: 12 Apr 92 00:02:00 CST
From: "Alan Gentry" <agentry@hera.acn.cornell-iowa.edu>
Subject: NAT. GAURD / RESERVES

I enjoyed reading the article about ROTC on campus, and had a question (sort
of).

Cornell College does not have a ROTC program on the campus.  However, the
school does bring in the National Gaurd and Reserves every year for recruitment.
In fact, this tuesday is one of those days.  The Cornell GLA is planning
to set up a protest table across from the recruiters, and I was wondering
if people could post to me directly if they had any ideas or articles
that we could have there.  We already have a fair amount of the postacrds
the NGLTF has put out, asking members of both the House and Senate to
ban the DoD's regulation.  Anything else we should be using?

Thanks!!

Alan Gentry

AGENTRY@CORNELL-IOWA

>>> CORN CORN
>>> BEANS BEANS
>>> IOWA'S FULL OF DYKES & QUEENS!!

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:53:24 PDT
Subject: gay men and caring
From: An Anonymous Sender

I had a chance to read the Christopher Street article which started
me thinking about gay men and caring.  When I was in junior high,
I realized that my sexual interests were developping more towards
guys instead of girls.  I had always been a very independent soul
and seemed to accept this as just another one of my differences.

During the summer after my freshman year in college, I was working
at a camp for boys with emotional problems.  Towards the end of the
summer I had a diving accident and became a quadriplegic.  (I'm
considered a fairly "low" quadriplegic and can do such things
as drive, scuba dive and study acting.)  Learning to live with
this new perspective of life was a challenge, but I had great support
at the rehab I was at.  On a Saturday I left the institute and
went to my old college where the next Monday I started the spring
quarter carrying a full course load.

One of the hardest parts of becoming disabled was how I was treated
by other gay men.  Before my injury women seem to find me attractive
and would be disappointed after they found out that I was gay.
After my accident, I still seemed to attract women.  Attracting
other gay men was now much harder.

At my college I was the only person in a wheelchair.  Grad school
was different because there were many more students using
wheelchairs.  I started participating in various lesbian-gay activities
and began noticing that events organized by lesbians had much
better facilities for people in wheelchairs.  Some lesbian events even
had special vans to transporting disabled attendees.  The
events which were strictly for gay men often had minimal or
no arrangements for the disabled gay men.

I noticed another difference at gay-lesbian events.  If a person started
a conversation with me, it was much more likely to be a lesbian.
Gay men were much less likely to approach me or even to smile at me.
I also noticed that lesbians in wheelchairs were more often to have someone
with them.  (Various disabled lesbians have told me that they feel very
supported by the lesbian community.  Having a disabled lover is also more
acceptable in the lesbian community.)

There are many parts of my life I feel good about; a wonderful relationship,
my own home, an interesting career.  I feel I've been very lucky in many
ways.  My main frustration is with the gay community and other gay men.
I do not have that feeling of acceptance and care from the gay men's
community that various disabled lesbians I know seem to have from their
community.  The Christopher Street article mentioned about the stereotype
of gay men being superficial and narcistic.  My experience seems to
support the idea that many gay men, though not all, fit this stereotype.

I'm hoping that the acceptance of disabled gay men by other gay men
will improve.  I'm afraid the opposite seems to be happening.  What hurts
more is that they don't seem to care about it.

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From: h.collier@uow.edu.au (henry w collier)
Subject: Physically disadvantaged lesbigay associations.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:31:13 EST

Would someone please post information about lesbigay associations for
physically disadvantaged persons.  I am unable to find any information about
such groups.

Thank you,
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