HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:36:15 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom

mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

>>In article <36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

>>Well, Michael, since you're not black ...

>Ooooooohhhhh, I *finally* get it!!!  I guess I, as a White Person (tm), can't
>possibly be disgusted enough by what I see that I can't expect to be able
>to dog out the prejudiced White bastards out there to the extent that I do. Of
>course, it *now* makes sense that Black People (tm) who do this can do so
>because, well, we White People (tm) need to let Black People release some
>of that anger and so forth; but, I, being a White Person, am *supposed* to
>KNOW better than to behave in "bigoted" ways. Why didn't you come out and
>SAY this months ago, Johns??? 

>Enlightened, Mc 


<examining his workstation later in the day>

Hey!  Who set my desk on fire?







-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What is happening to the Haitian people?
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom

v30004@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Abeselom T Maasho .) writes:

>**********************************************************************
>*   Eb             -     v30004.@vax1.cc.uakron.edu                  *
>**********************************************************************
> 

They're being killed off like flies by the army.  It is simply 
incredible that as I write this, Bob Dole is standing before the
Republican National Convention reciting that oft-told story of
George Bush, fighter pilot, the man who would be president again.

Well now, if Mr. Bush is so fucking great, if *he's* the mensch we
want answering the call in the middle of the night (preferably while
not on halcion), why can't he save Haiti?  Why does he ship thousands
of refugees back to certain doom on that island?

Could it be that he can't just blow away 150,000 landlocked soldiers
like he did in Kuwait?  That he would have to do something truly
courageous because pacific?

I'm sorry, this is an old litany.  Death is the oldest.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.163027.28559@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

$Your arguments are just as weak now as they were then. Any whippin
$on your part was just a fig tree of your tired imagination.
$Read MORE STATISTICS :)

Where are they?  Where are these statistics that you speak of?  I want 
ADDRESSES,  I want PHONE NUMBERS of these so-called "sources." I want to be
able to CALL THEM UP or WRITE THEM and find out for myself.  No more bullshit
Franklin.  Since you know so god damn much, teach me.

And as far as your ass whippin in the Good Quote thread, if it's just a 
fig tree, then why is everybody in the group siding with me?  Because they
know, and I know, and most important, YOU KNOW.  That I took out my pen
and whipped your mothafuckin, sound-bitin, ignorant, no-proof-havin ass.  Plain
and simple.  I beat your ass, Franklin.  That's why you ignored me.  You asked
for proof I gave you proof.  When you couldn't hang you decided to ignore it.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
"Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black like a bat
out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:54:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.144237.8278@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
$In article <1992Aug13.163638.29146@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
$> mcbeanhead@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
$ ^^^^^^^^^^^
$>> Malcolm Dildo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
$           ^^^^^
$>>McBeanhead
$ ^^^^^^^^^^^
$The question is, why waste intellect on somebody who belongs in the playpen or
$nursery?  My two year old niece needs a playmate Franklin, wher can I get hold
$of you? 
$
$M_____
$
$(Your exercise for the day is to fill in the missing blanks)

I find this kinda funny.  I've never seen such an artsy way to fuck up my
middle name.  I've been called "Diablo" and "Diarro" before, but never "la
Dildo."

I've also seen him purposely fucking up other people's names too.  One person
he called Apoorva something La Bullshitta.  I cracked up on that one.  Then
there's the next most memorable one: Shatiqua something something Vaccumcleena.
And of course there's McBeanhead.

You know, there's something really a trip about Silly Willy Franklin.  His logic
is almost believable, but it's like he has his own reality that's slightly
off of everyone else's.  I used to have to work with a woman like that, believe
me it ain't fun.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:16:16 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Aug12.124040.8295@crd.ge.com> mmrwlm@sn116.uca writes:
>Since there isn't anything I could do about the post office's project to
>get Elvis on a stamp, the
>next best thing I can do is not buy the stamp.  I don't think he is worthy
>of having his picture on
>a postal stamp because of his blatant drug abuse.  If he had quit the habit
>and come clean, that
>would be a different matter, but I understand that drugs figured prominently
>in his death.  (I have
>to check up on that to be absolutely sure.)  When the country honors people
>like him by picturing
>them on stamps, it makes me wonder why the US is even bothering to fight a
>"war on drugs".
>
>---
>Wanda L. McCrae                       | I'm too cool for a signature!

From what I've heard (and gathering info on Elvis is NOT one of my hobbies),
he mainly abused legal drugs.  Would you feel the same way if Elvis had been
a heavy smoker and had died of lung cancer?

I think there are a lot of other folks more deserving of being honored with
a postage stamp, but I dare say none of them was perfect either.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:50:13 GMT

In article <stovall.714250952@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>
>The most overtly racist remark I have heard of was the "Zulus" and "Englishmen"
>comment where he stated that a large number of Englishmen could be assimilated
>into the state of Virginia much more easily than a large number of Zulus.
>This statement is obviously true, but it is "coded" in a way that most
>people would consider racist. He also has been known to engage in holocaust
>revisionism, which is a coded form of anti-semitism.
>
Steve just boinked my memory bank.  Buchanan was also an early
supporter of Demjanyuk, the guy accused of being "Ivan the Terrible"
at the Treblinka death camp, saying that the Russkies fabricated the
whole story. While it now turns out that Demjanyuk may not have been
"Ivan," what has been found is that he was a death camp guard
somewhere else and hence, a possible war criminal.  Buchanan got up
on TV shows like "Nightline" while the extradition to Israel was
taking place and maxxed out on how Demjanyuk was being framed.  He
also tried to deflect criticism of himself as being anti-semitic.
Here was a loyal American and anti-Communist being railroaded.
.
Buchanan isn't the only Republican noted for this kind of behavior.
Ken Malek, that Nixonian dip from the deep who is now in Bush's
camp, has said a few likewise statements about Jews and other
minorities.
.
When I saw a clip about him at the GOP convention, sheesh, it made
my skin crawl.  Talking about, "taking back our culture...our
country" from what he considers the enemies from within.  The dude
is scary.  Borderline fascist.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:04:36 GMT

alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:



>WHERE - DID - YOU - GET - YOUR - STATISTICS???  PLEASE GIVE US A

I gave the references with all of these stats. You just don't
want to accept the stats because:

1.  You are lopsided.
2.	You listen to the soc.blah.blah.blah hype
3.  You cannot accept the truth about the stats.


Have a nice day.
From: larry8@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Larry )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Gang related Public Service Announcement
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:44:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


There was an item on the evening news the other day about a controversial
anti-gang ad that was being shown somewhere in Illinois (Evanston I think).

As best I remember, the ad went something like this:
o
	"If there was an Olympics for killing black people, this gang
	would win the bronze medal" [picture of skinhead, with caption
	indicating number of skinhead-related killings of black people,
	I think it was about 120 over a period of about 20 years]

	"This gang would win the silver medal [picture of Klan member with 
	caption indicating number of Klan-related killings of blacks,
	approximately 250 over a period of about 30 years (1961-1991)]"

	"But *this* gang would win the gold medal" [picture of black 
	dressed up as generic gang member, with caption indicating
	number of blacks killed by black gangs, I think it was 
	something like 18,000 over a twenty year period]

The ad closed with a group shot of the skinhead, the Klan guy, and
the black gang member with a voiceover about avoiding gang membership.
[this was a few days ago, and the details are kind of fuzzy]

Anyway, the controversy involved a disagreement between those who thought
the ad conveyed its message powerfully, and those who thought the ad 
suggested that all black men were violent.  

Did anyone else see this ad?

What did you think?




	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: 'Daughters of the Dust' ....Wow!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:15:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.185942.26600@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>i agree, (regarding "Daughters of the Dust"), it is a good movie.
hard to believe that it took 10 years to get the dough to complete
the film; especially when you see mindless drivel like (pauly
shore's) "encino man" and [howard stern's upcoming movie] "the
adventures of fartman" readily getting bucks.  you know what i
mean...
.
.
Drivel sells, dear! Anything that remotely makes people THINK is
consigned to begging bowls.
.
Right now, I'm observing an interesting phenomena, which I hope
begins to fade. Whenever there is a black (cast) film, there seems
to be a knee-jerk response to support it, no matter how BAD it is.
I know: we love seeing ourselves, our lives legitimized in some
manner. I felt that way the year I saw "Diva" and "The Color Purple"
--the grand coming out of beautiful black women.  But hey, enough
street brothers, gang movies, and the like. Let's begin, even now,
to look for and demand something more.  Let's build some
distribution venues, let's lean on Oprah and Cosby--the ones with
bucks--to start something totally independent and viable.  If George
Lucas can call the shots from Marin County, CA (just outside SF, to
you folks back midwest and east), we can do the same.
.
Off soap box.
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [KRB104:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:30:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

B
You will be waiting quite some time to get a coherent statement from
carter for you see he is lacking a key ingredient in his physical
composition.  That being truth.
--bob

************************

   Where the hell did you get these statistics?  I want citations on where you
get the statistics that Blacks get 50% of the welfare!!!!!  Of course, you
made them up, as usual.  The only statistic that you have right is that
Blacks make up 12% of the total U.S. population.  You are so full of shit.
Again, please give citations for these bogus statistics!!!!  We are still
waiting for citations for your assertion that Blacks commit 69-75% of the
violent crimes in this nation!


***********************************************************************
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Aug 1992 11:09 EDT  

In article <1992Aug13.194723.23450@crd.ge.com>, mmrwlm@sn116.uca writes...
>In article 24062@morrow.stanford.edu, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> 
>->(2) Bush is also on drugs. And I can document that.  It is a
>->drug that can make one hallucinate. He was on the drug when he threw
>->up in Japan.
> 
>Please refer me to the documentation.  I believe you, but I would like to see it in official print
>and pass the word around with the reference to back it up.

Please e-mail me the references, too at the following address.
Thanx in advance.

Cassondra
edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (expires 8/28/92)
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

[ Stuff about Elvis deleted]

>He was a poor white country guy who made good. That's his appeal.
>The only Elvis song I ever liked was "Heartbreak Hotel."
> 
>I read a new book out about Elvis and his sojourn in the heart of
>black Memphis. There are pictures of young Elvis hanging with black
>musicians and performers. The biographer even stated that he may
>have had a couple of black children because "despite what his
>mother warned him" about, he wasn't passing up sleeping with black
>women--and this is not National Enquirer stuff.
> 
>It makes me wonder, however, why people like Eddie Murphy are into
>him, because the guy majorly expropriated black music and then a few
>times, dissed our contribution publicly. Both Public Enemy and the
>brother who created the Black Rock Coalition (his name escapes me)
                                               ^^^^^^^^
		Vernon Reid from Living Color 

>and has his own band (somebody help me here!) have talked about
>Elvis in their songs and raps about his attitude.

[ More deletions]

>I don't think he is worthy of having his picture on a postal stamp
>because of his blatant drug abuse.
>..
>His (amphetamine) drug use started when he was drafted into the
>Army, although he may have dabbled a bit before.


>Just remember that before you pull that lever in November:
>..
>(1) Reagan and Bush, in order to "help" the contras, allowed the
>drug cartels to mill that cocaine to sell to us in the U.S., and
>started us all on that long, hard trail that has seen almost an
>entire generation of black people go up in smoke.
> 
>(2) Bush is also on drugs. And I can document that.  It is a
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is interesting. I'd like to hear more about this!

>drug that can make one hallucinate. He was on the drug when he threw
>up in Japan.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug16.011853.1@auvax1> schmidt@auvax1 writes:
>The word "juke box" comes from "ju ju" and similar words in several West
>African languages.  The Gullah (see below) refer to a dance hall as a "juke",
>so the box which made the music in the juke was the juke box.

juju \[nonascii diacritics]\ n [of W. African origin; akin to Hausa
*djudju* fetish] (1894) 1 : a fetish, charm, or amulet of West African
peoples  2 : the magin attributed to or associated with jujus

jukebox \[nonascii diacritics]\ n [Gullah *juke* disorderly, of W. African
origin; akin to Bambara *dzugu* wicked] (1939) : a coin-operated phonograph
that automatically plays records selected from a list

-- Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: [William H. Magill:  Some Welfare Notes]
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:28:11 GMT
	<1992Aug18.171645.23537@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu's message of 18 Aug 92 17:16:45 GMT

johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
|> Who is John Galt?
|	The man who said he'd stop the motor of the world, and did.

...in a work of fiction.
--
Peace.
                    "MIT CS grad students never leave,
                     they just change e-mail addresses."
                                -Scott Hofmeister
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Anti-Gang Ad Controversy #3: Clarence Page column
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:20:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com

mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

>You know, I'd be willing to bet the commercial used rap artists' views as
>a contributing source for the ideological comparisons/contrasts the PSA
>makes. A brother who ain't a brother? Rap has been saying this for a coupla
>years.

>Damn, another dis of rap by a clueless non-listener. If rap, a genre of 
>music, is not understood, what chance is it that gang activity is any more
>clearer. True, the two have nothing to do with each other; but, the 
>implication is that the rap artists don't give a damn about the youth when
>they probably have a better understanding of the situation than the 
>Evanston folx.

Now of course you're bringin in one of your favorite subjects, rap,
which is certainly fair since Clarence Page seems to give it short
shrift by what he says -- and doesn't say -- about it -- by what he
credits and fails to credit it with.

But you realize this just complicates things.  Not that I'm against a
complicating factor or complexity per se.  It just seems a tricky enough
deal without bringin in something that doesn't scare these kids .. but
scares shit out of thei *parents.*

The question for now is, does this thing scare crap out of enough kids
to justify its existence?  Forget whose constituency it pleases/doesn't
please for a moment.

>>Time to hear the reality behind the raps:  Klansmen have murdered at
>>least 20 African-Americans since 1960, according to Klanwatch.  Street
>>gangs murdered at least 1,300 blacks last year alone, according to the
>>FBI.  We don't need to worry about the Klan or neo-Nazis nearly as much
>>as we need to worry about "brothers" and "sisters" who do their work for
>>them.

>Word.

Hallelujah!

-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.bush
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Subject: Re: Bush and drugs
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 03:13:58 GMT


In a previous article, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) says:

>Those of you, like Wanda McCrae, who wanted further proof that
>President Bush is on drugs:
>.
>This just in from the Los Angeles Times, printed in the S.F.
>Chronicle Friday, August 14, 1992:
>
>DOCTOR REPORTS ON PRESIDENT'S HEALTH
>
>President Bush's personal physician yesterday dismissed increasingly
>pointed reports questionning the state of Bush's health, but he said
>the president has his "ups and downs on the job like anyone else"...
>.
>The immediate cause of their remarks was news stories in the Wall
>Street Journal and Time magazine in recent days...
>.
>[Dr. Burton] Lee said his overall health is good. And he added that
>the president still occasionally uses the powerful and controversial
> sleep inducing drug Halcion when he is on long, arduous trips...
>.
>.
>Dr. Lee also says he "play[s] around with the drug dosage" to
>control Bush's thyroid. Remember, he reportedly takes 5 other meds.
> I suggest you folks sniff out the WSJ and Time for just those
>articles.
>.
>As I said before in previous posts, Halcion's side effects include
>amnesia, confusion, anxiety, hostility, hallucinations, agitation
>and violence.  If it had been announced that he was officially off
>Halcion in February, why he is suddenly on them "occasionally"?
>Sounds like abuse to me.  They could find something else less
>hypnotic and less addictive and less dangerous.
>.
>Dr. Hunter S. Thompson said it best in Spy magazine, "Anyone who
>thinks the war in Iraq grew out of Bush's drug use is crazy."
>
Maybe it was just testosterone poisoning all along.
-- 

              "You got the right ta-ta, but the wrong ho-ho"

                              -- New Orleans attorney Dean Andrews
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: >> " Acting white "
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:02:52 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: cadet@finesse.rutgers.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 21:39:58 GMT

This "you talk like a White man" think is irritating I suppose and
I've never argued that it doesn't exist.  What I have argued is that
there is no widespread "being successful" = "acting White" view in the
Black community.

I'm posting this to clear up what I think (judging by my email) is a
misunerstanding of my position.  This thread has splintered into
several different subthreads.  I'm most interested in the one where
some of ya'll have asserted that Black folx think that being
successful is the same thing as being White or selling out.  I think
that's the most dangerous of all the conditions that have been
asserted.  I really would have loved to read the answers to my list of
questions posted earlier....
--
Peace.
                           "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
                                                     -- Dan Quayle
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-