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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Some News
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:03:02 GMT


This is in today's CND:
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[DJ, 11/19/92] BEIJING -- The overseas edition of the People's Daily
Thursday accused foreign reporters of misquoting Vice Premier Zhu Rongji,
and said China has no intention of abandoning its agreements with Britain
on the future of Hong Kong. (Forwarded by: Huijie)
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Just for the record.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: lyndon@Sol34.essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: PhD in UST
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:50:26 GMT
Reply-To: lyndon@essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <92320.005453LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>I know that University of Science and Technonlgy is quite new; however, their
>funding seems to be fairly sufficient for the moment. What do people think abou
>about their research activities? What about the quality of their staff? I may
>consider studying for a PhD in Elec Eng part-time when I return to Hong Kong.
>Could someone give me some info. or suggestions?

I don't mean to discourage you, but univeristies/polytechnics in HK do not
welcome students doing their PhD in part time basis, especially for science/
engineering subjects. I had such experience before. I applied for two 
institutions (not going to name them) for PhD programme, but no matter
during the informal discussion/enquiry or formal interview (I was offered
interview), they questioned you several time whether you were going to 
do it in full time or part time, and warned you the difficulties of doing
it in part time. Although I agree with their idea, I felt quite discouraging.

For another two institutions, during the informal discussion, they already
strongly discouraged me to do PhD in part time. After all, I didn't apply
for these two and was rejected by another two (I insisted to do it in
part time).

If you prepare to practise engineering in full time job, and also want to
use your spare time to get a PhD, I must say the chance is not good.
However, if you are going to work in university/polytechnic as a lecturer
or research officer, etc., you would likely be accepted as a part time PhD
candidate. 

And this is why I am now in Essex, doing my PhD full time. FYI, I am doing
computer science (artificial intelligence).

Lyndon Lee

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Lyndon LEE Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, Colchester, UK.
lyndon@sx.ac.uk Voice +44 206 872150 Fax +44 206 872788 Telex 98440 (UNILIB G)
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I know you believe you understand what you think I said,
but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:52:52 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <26892@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong) writes:
>
>    I was wondering how some of you feel about the traditional Chinese
>family values in these day and age.
>    The traditional Chinese family values is :
>    1)  The parents take care of the children
>    2)  Children should tell everything that is happening in their
>        lives and every thoughts that they have, even when the children
>        are into adolescence and into adulthood
>    3)  When the children grow up, especially for the guys, they
>        should continue to live with their parents even after they
>        get married so that the parents will not feel being left alone
>
>    So here are some questions :
>    A)  Which one of the above points are still applicable today? Why?
>        Which are not? Why?
>    B)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        when you go to college?
>    C)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        after you start working in a permanent job?
>    D)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        after you get married?
>    E)  About what percentage of all the things and thoughts that you tell your
>        parents about?
>    F)  Do you feel that there is a generation gap between you and your 
>        parents?
>
>
>--
>John Wong


Mine, that thing could be a great thesis topic for someone at Harvard!



- LouiS


From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:04:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Is sport hunting a sport? (Re: Is is right to eat dogs?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / lyndon@Sol34.essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H) /  4:59 pm  Nov 17, 1992 /
>I am not attempting to give an answer, as it would be a lengthy essay and 
>could involve a lot of side issues. I want to rephase the question:

>   "Can human being kills for food be given a justifiable moral basis?"

But human have always been killed for some un-realistic reason like 
nationalism, unknown hate etc. 

>Lyndon Lee

Yuk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cfs2b@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chun Fai Szeto)
Subject: Re: commercial by KCR
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:27:57 GMT

That's a very good idea. Could anyone be willing to do so?



Chun
From: reddevil@csa.bu.edu (derek shiu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Salina Chang at U of Kansas
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:50:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: reddevil@csa


Does anybody know the email address, phone #, or address of Chang Pao Ching, 
                  
Salina, in the U of Kansas?

If any of you know her, please reply to reddevil@csa.bu.edu.

Sorry for bothering you guys! I know I should not waste you guys 

bandwidth in the Newsgroup.

Thanks in advance!

				        reddevil@csa.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:59:21 GMT

In <1992Nov22.070513.19458@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:


>You get my point. Hong Kong people need to fight for democracy from
>CHINA, not rely on Patten. If Britain really want to bring democracy
>system to Hong Kong, ....

iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:

>think so?   On the other hand, if Pattern wins, I think 99% of the HK's
>reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

I think we should just Patten's proposal by how much his proposal can
really benefit our H.K. society rather than how much we hate, dislike, or
distrust British government.

Great Era.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chan@aloft.att.com
Subject: (none)
Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:05:52 GMT

Dear friends:

The 55th anniversary of the Nanking Massacre is upcoming, and this
will be the third year the overseas Chinese in North and South America
have actively participated in the commemoration of this unforgettable
tragedy in modern history.

During the last three years, with the effort of Chinese around the
world, we not only have contributed to the education of our people, but
also to the education of the West on the Nanking Massacre.  We hope
our campaign will eventually contribute to the education of Japan's
new generation, not only on the Nanking Massacre alone, but more generally  
on the sufferings their country brought to China and the rest of the world
during the War.

In Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union will urge the
Educational Department to revise the Chinese History curriculum for
the secondary school to emphasize more on the Sino-Japanese War, 
particularly the Nanking Massacre.  Similar lobbying plans have been
proposed in California.  We hope the same can be done elsewhere.

The recent visit of China by Emperor Arkihito marks the beginning of a 
new era of the Sino-Japanese relation.  Although we are all disappointed
by Japan's refusal to apologize and compensate for the war crimes, the
Emperor's visit nevertheless has forced the Japanese to remember and 
to think about what their ancestors had done to China.
For example, a survey in Japan showed that more than 50% of the people 
being interviewed believed that the Emperor should apologize during
his visit to China.  There have also been debates on whether the Emperor
or the Diet (the Congress) should apologize.

It is clear that Japan is very eager to become 
politically strong (e.g., being a member of the security 
council of UN) after being economically strong.  This
is thus a good chance for us to force Japan to face and take responsibility
of her inglorious past, but THIS MAY WELL BE OUR LAST CHANCE.
If Japan manages to stand firm in the next few years, she may be able
to get away with it forever!  If Japan does not learn from the past
for which an enormous price has been paid by the people of both
countries, what we expect to see is another repetition of history.

Let's continue with our campaign this year and keep up with the good work!

NYHKN
From: tlm@deutsch.doc.ic.ac.uk (Te Lung Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Dog Killing (Was : Is it right to eat dogs?)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:12:13 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlm@deutsch.doc.ic.ac.uk (Te Lung Man)
NNTP-Posting-Host: deutsch.doc.ic.ac.uk

According to some netters, dog meat is delicious, but I have never tried it
myself (yet). But there are several reasons why I find it difficult to
gobble down dog meat. The first one being the fact that I cannot remove the
assertion "dogs are pet" from my mind. The second one concerns how dogs are
actually KILLED in the first place. I have heard many revolting stories. For
example, a dog is locked up in a cage and then the cage is submerged under
water. The reason ? The dog would struggle violently for its survial and so
its heart would operate at full-throttle, leading to a fast circulation of
blood.  As a result, its meat would be more delicious. Another example is a
hangman like dog execution. A noose is put around the unfortunate dog and is
hung on to a tree, the dog is then repeatedly beaten with heavy weapons until
it dies. The reason ? Again the rapid circulation of blood in the dog.

I don't really know the authenticity of these stories, but it seems the
methods for killing dogs are not humane. But as I put forward this point,
I suddenly wonder how other animals such as cows, pigs, lambs, chickens etc
are slaughtered ?
Maybe it is better to be a vegetarian, but then we might ask: do plants have
'feelings','emotions' ?
If we continue in this vein, we might end up debating whether it is right to
breathe, because there are living organisms in the air!!
For the moment, I think I'll carrying on enjoying my very restricted diet.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au (Andrew Ho)
Subject: Re: HK ID Card question
Organization: ACUS, Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney AUST.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:18:42 GMT

 ML> I have a related question.  If someone was a resident of HK and 
 ML> is now a US citizen, and he returns to HK, can he apply for 
 ML> an ID card without affecting his US citizenship?  Is having a 
 ML> HK ID card equivalent to applying for a BNO from the point of 
 ML> view of the US government? [stuff deleted]

Lets turn the question around : what will happen to the residency of
the man in HK if he was a resident of HK and he is having a foreign
citizenship ?

I know that if the man is still holding his old HK ID card, nothing
will change. But if he applies the card again in HK, then he will lost
his permanent residency in HK, which means that he won't have the
"***" appear in his HK ID and he cannot use it to enter/leave HK as
he did before. But he is still eligible to apply for a BNO passport.
It happens to one of my friend. 


andrew ho


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kwan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Yik-Yin Edwin Kwan)
Subject: Re: Cantonese Song
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:15:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.233021.461@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Frandanla) writes:
>Hello, fellow netters:
>
>A while ago someone was talking about recording songs to files.  I tried
>that out and surely it take TONS of spaces.
>
>I have a song sang by hakee Lee, like a min or so, with mono sound, and
>sampling at 11 Hz, and the files is around 600k - 700k (can't remember),
             ^^^^^
>and when it's compressed (used lharc.exe) it's like 640k, when uuencoded,
>it's like 890k.  BTW, it's a voc file, if anybody is interested, just
>drop a mail to me.
>
>I also have another song recorded (sung by Leon Lai),  this one the
>quality is better, taped for stereo sound with 22Hz sampling rate.  But
                                                ^^^^
>the file is HUGE, like 2 meg voc file, compressed to 1.87 meg (wiht
>lharc.exe) and sized 2.5 meg after uuencoded, but the quality is better,

[stuff deleted]

I think you must have some supernatural power if you can hear anything
out of your files.

--
       (
       ))
      (  )	
     /     \            Yik-Yin Edwin Kwan
    (       )           kwan@ecn.purdue.edu
    /        \
   (   ^   ^  )         " Take me with you!
  /            )   ....   I would like to immigrate! "
 (       O      )
  \__         _/        (C) 1991 Edwin Kwan
     ~~-----~~
From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: ChristianScienceMonitor Editorial: Democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: AHKCUS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:44:27 GMT

Copyright 1992 The Christian Science Monitor
November 13, 1992  Editorial Pg. 20
Democracy in Hong Kong

        Britain is trying -- belatedly -- to install more democracy in Hong
Kong before London turns its colony over to China's control in 1997.  Beijing
is up in arms over the proposals to grant Hong Kong's 6 million residents mroe
say in the composition of their legislative body.  But Britain should press
forward with the reforms, despite the Chinese bluster.
        At issue are proposals announced last month by Christopher Patten,
Britain's governor in Hong Kong, to indirectly expand the degree of popular
voting for members of the colony's Legislative Council. In China's view, the
reforms violate the spirit if not the letter of the Basic Law, the colony's
constitution.  (The Basic Law was drafted principally by Beijing as part of
the 1984 agreement to transfer Hong Kong to Chinese sovereignty when British's
lease expires in less than five years.)
        Under the Basic Law -- which Beijing agreed to uphold for 50 years
after the transfer -- 20 of the Legislative Council's 60 seats will be filled
by popular vote in 1995 elections.  The remaining seats will be filled by
district boards or by narrow "constituency" groups dominated by Beijing.
Without altering that arrangement, Mr. Patten has proposed to open up the
process by which the district boards and constituency groups are themselves
selected.
        Beijing has heatedly denounced the proposed reforms, impugned
Britain's good faith, and threathened to roll any reforms back in 1997.
        Beijing probably sees hypocrisy in Britain's sudden concern over
representative government in Hong Kong. But where Britain went wrong was not
in its 11th-hour conversion to democracy for the colony, but rather in its
failure to introduce democratic practices over the last three decades.
        Some elements of Hong Kong's prosperous business community,
apprehensive about angering its soon-to-be new landlord, want Britain to stop
rocking the boat.  But polls show that the majority of HOng Kong's people
favor more democracy.  Though it should avoid provoking China into a stance
that could ultimately harm Hong Kong's residents, Britain shoudl not kowtow to
men whose disdain for democracy was horrifically demonstrated at Tianamen
Square.
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:44:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) /  8:12 pm  Nov 17, 1992 /

>To my understanding, one can apply for a BNO only if he/she is born
>in HK.  Then he/she can have two choiced for nationality, HK British
>or Chinese.  If one has chosen Chinese nationality, he/she can only
>get a CI.  But whenever he/she gives up this Chinese nationality, he
>/she can get a BNO or BDTC.
This so call give up is not more difficult than signing on a form and 
waiting for a month for new id card.

>However, immigrants from mainland to HK will never get a HK British
>passports.
Trust me, I saw nationalisation advertisment on Sing Dao Yat Pao more than
once. At least one of them I remember stated that he was born in Canton.
It read something like : XXX, born in YYY is applying for British subject
in Date, Whoever has objection please contact Immigration department.(The
text was in Chinese).
It was before I left Hong Kong, but I believe the laws are more or less the
same. And I don't know what procedure those people took.
>----------
From: fong@airmics.gatech.edu (Winfred Fong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: fong@airmics.UUCP (Winfred Fong)
Organization: Army Institute for Research in Management, Information, Communications, and Computer Science

In article <BxtpMG.7pr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b86@dcl-nxt10.cso.uiuc writes:
>In article <BxtHB6.8K4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  
>psmkong@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Kong) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for  
>one,
>> did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.  
>
>But KCR has been there for about 100 years.
>
>Richard

Richard, wake up. It doesn't matter how long the KCR has been in
business; it is rather how close are you to that environment. If
you think one should know an acronym because of its age, try these:
	1. ACTS;
	2. ACSE;
	3. LLCP.
I feel very uneasy to read reply from people like you. Because
I left HK (my beloved) 16 years ago and didn't know what KCR
stands for, it doesn't give you any rights to mock at me. 
I am not trying to blame/flame anyone here, I am simply requesting
mutual respect from people who use this international network
for communications purpose. 


fred fong
From: vivi924@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dea Yee )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HongKong Student Ass. at U. of Southern Cal.
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:17:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxs61r.2ur
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi,
	I am going to transfer to USC next semester.  I'd like to know if 
	there is a HK student association there.  If so, could somebody tell
	me who to contact when I arrive there.
	Thank you.
	Please send e-mail to vivi924@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu coz I don't read this 
	group very often.
						    Viv.
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Wennies re TRASHED!!
Keywords: Wennies
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:25:32 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

Personaly, i enjoy close game.  It's so excited to watch 2 team fighting
for point - the competetion, not just 1 team beating the h**l out the
other team.

Fran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Emigration Culture in H.K.
From: g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:46:49 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Emigration, or the hope of emigration, has made a great impact to the
people living in H.K.  In my opinion, most H.K. people fear that they 
cannot survive under strong Chinese (communism) control, and lose the
lifestyle and capitalist system.

Gradually, emigration has become a fashion.  Many people with tertiary 
and professional background have left already.  This causes great dread
to those people who have no intention to leave initially.  They might 
start to ask themselves like "Should I consider leaving too?"  There is
a chain effect that more and more people determine to leave.  

People in all walks of life seek emigration opportunities.  The idea of
emigration is prevalent.  It has become much more solid after the massacre 
of June 4th in 1989 which took place in Beijing Tienamen Square (my
mind will be shaken whenever I bring this up).  It was ended by very
sad termination that thousand of students were killed.  I think it
impressed all H.K. people deeply and emotionally.  The most obvious
actions taken by H.K. Chinese were strikes and demonstrations.
Nevertheless, the Chinese government is still in their way to accuse
the Beijing demonstrators and put students in jail.  The ignorance
of our claims made us (H.K. people) feel hopeless in a change in
China, so many of them decided to get away to avoid under the control
of the "inhumane" Beijing government.  Countries such as Canada, 
Australia and U.S.A. are first choices of emigration.  Since Chinese
are so "together", some of them even have built "Small H.K.'s" in
another countries.  

In H.K., it is not surprising to see long queues outside all the
foreign cousulate offices.  People are anxious to get foreign
passports.  It's common for pregnant H.K. women to go overseas to
give birth.  Many others want the security of a foreign passport 
but also want to keep their careers on track in H.K.  The result is
the emergence of "astronauts" who settle their families abroad but
continue to work in H.K., flying back and forth as often as possible.
They almost do whatever they can, just to gain security.

Thus has the hard truth come home to the people of H.K. that the
future cannot be guaranteed by joint declarations, nationality
packages or even money.  Almost no one believes that under Chinese
rule H.K. will remain.  In the words have become a mantra for Beijing
and London, "stable and prosperous", can you believe that?  Actually,
H.K.'s hopes lie entirely in the emergence of a more decent and
humane government in China.

"The above are all personal opinions, which is extracted from my
 research.  I put it on post because many foreigners asked about
 this same question."

- Michelle

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