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From: dshin@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (dongil shin)
Subject: HELP!: CD-ROM for PC and MAC (both)!
Originator: dshin@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:37:06 GMT


	Hi!
	
	I am looking for a cd-rom for pc (i386) an mac (iicx). I want 
to use the cd-rom for both of the machine (sure, one at a time). 
I think I should get cd-rom with SCSI card. My questions is:
	0) Is this feasible?
	1) Which cd-rom drive do you recommend?
	2) Which drivers (softwares) do I need for PC and MAC?
	3) Do I need different kind of cables for PC and MAC?

Thanks for all your time. 

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From: anderl@kommu.UUCP (Hr Horst Anderl)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Which CD-ROM for Photo-CD, XA, SCSI Adaptec 1542B
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:25:05 GMT
Organization: SNC
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Hallo,
I am looking for an internal CD-ROM for reading of Kodak Photo-CD's 
(multisession) and also supporting eXtended Architecture features
(DVI and CD-I).

If possible it should have an SCSI interface and it should be
compatibel with 1542B.

Without the SCSI interface it should support AT Interrupts 
(10,11,12,13).

Which Windows 3.x software for reading of Kodak Photo-CD's is the
best one to choose.

Are there any choices?

Thank's a lot in advance
Horst
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From: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Photo CD again
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:01:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, XID@IAEA1.BITNET (David White IAEA Vienna) says:

>I AM SORRY IF THIS IS A REPEAT AND HAS ALREADT BEEN ANSWRERED. But I
>have not received anything from this list for a fairly long while.
>I therefore repeat the question and apologise if it is repetitive.
>I would, hover, still appreciate replies.
>
>David
>
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS:-
>
>
>
>I understand that it is possibly to read a Kodak Photo-CD picture
>with the Corel PhotoPaint progam that comes with CorelDraw 3.0.
>
>Has anyone tried this? What file format would the pictures be in?
>I haven't found any reference to Photo-CD in the manual or in the
>Help file, but I'm sure I've read it is possible.
>
>I have some unnamed builtin CD drive in my machine that works sofar
>with any CD I have tried with it, so I assume that I will be able
>to read at least one session of a Photo-CD, but I don't know the
>format. Will the CD look like a normal DOS disk?
>
>
You can with version 3.0B.  You must have an XA compatible drive to
read a single session disc and a multisession drive to read a multi-
session disc.  You must use Corel Mosaic to read the disc and convert
files to a format which Photopaint can deal with (like TIFF)>.


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From: shiva@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth Porter)
Subject: CD Formats and Drive Choice
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:26:16 GMT

I'm about to purchase a drive and I'm trying to get as much information
as possible on feature issues before buying. I just read 260 articles
from the last two weeks, including the whole discussion of CD-XA
features.

What I'd like to get is a "super drive" that has double speed, will
read anything, and supports all combinations of extracting audio to
all possible interfaces. I should think that, with the exception of
double-speed and a multi-media connector, this is a firmware issue
and currently-available drives (such as the NEC-84) could do this.

I get the impression from the net traffic over the last couple of
weeks that this is just around the corner but nobody's shipping right
now. I'm willing to wait a couple of months for the new drives to
come out, but I have an immediate need for a data drive for use under
DOS and OS/2.

What dirt-cheap SCSI drives are available that I can use either with
an Adaptec 1542B or a PS/2 with an IBM SCSI host adapter?

Can I expect a CD-XA drive to read any CD format currently available?
What won't it read?

What drives support sending audio (either audio tracks or mode2/form2
tracks) over (1) a line-level audio connector, (2) a multi-media
connector to a sound card, and (3) the SCSI bus (as data).

Has anyone compiled feature lists or reviews of drives at some ftp site?

I will summarize direct responsed back to the newsgroup.

Ken
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gloster@INFERENCE.COM ("Vance M. Gloster")
Subject: CDR players with PhotoCD capabilities
Reply-To: "Vance M. Gloster" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:04:17 GMT

  Up front:  we want a CDR player that will read the NT CDRs (no flames,
 please).
  We would also like to "explore" PhotoCD.  We already have at least one IS0
 9660
  in house, but once he drive arrives, anticipate more.

The drive which is recommended by both the NT people and the PhotoCD
people is the Toshiba 3301.  It currently only does single session
PhotoCD, but it will have an EPROM upgrade that allows it to do
multisession PhotoCD soon.  It is not double speed.  It is the only
true SCSI II drive currently available.

  My specific questions are:
  1.  We are looking for one CDR player to connect to one of several PS2s.  At
  least one of these is already SCSI equipped.  Will a standard SCSI adapter cut
  it or do I need a custom adapter?  How do I tell?  If I need a special
 adapter,
  I assume that PS2 MCA limits me right away.  Can anyone give me some pointers?

It depends on the board.  Some like the Adaptec require a separate
driver for each different brand of drive.  Others like the Trantor
have a "one size fits all" driver.  Others like an inexpensive Western
Digital SCSI have no CD-ROM drivers available.  Contact the
manufacturer of the board.  Currently NT only supports a small number
of adapters while running under NT.  The ones it does not support
directly can be used to copy the NT files from the CD-ROM under DOS,
and then you can run NT from the hard drive.

  3.  How much of a difference do these new double speed players make for text
  based applications, as opposed to motion video applications?

They only make a difference if you are copying a large amount of
consecutive data from a single file ( > 1 meg).  I have found (in
writing CD-ROM benchmarks) that unless you have a reasonably high
performance SCSI adapter, it makes little difference for multimedia
applications.  If you follow the MPC spec and assume that the
multimedia application will take 60% of the CPU horsepower, a
300KB/Sec drive on a 33 Mhz 386DX using a dumb adaptor like a Trantor
or a Pro Audio Spectrum or a Sound Blaster Pro only achieves about
192KB/sec.  This is because the dumb cards need almost all of the CPU
horsepower to achieve the high transfer rates.

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ncpmont@angelo.amd.com (Mark Montgomery)
Subject: Toshiba 3401 drives
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:34:39 GMT

ATTN: Paul McAfee - I just spoke with "Liuski's" re: the drive
we discussed and was told by them that they didn't have it in
stock and additionally that the drive wasn't even out from Toshiba
till early next year.  What gives?  Crossed signals? Liuski lied?
Toshiba did it?  Sorry to burn bandwidth but no e-mail.  Mark
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From: cjohnson@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Are there any good cd-rom utils around?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:58:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Summary: I'd like some utils for cd-roms
Keywords: CD-ROM

Hello all,

I'm after any software for cd-rom drives, any fancy audio players for
dos and/or windows, software to enhance performance or anything else
anyone may think is useful.

Thanx in advance,

Chris.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: robb@mentorg.com (Rob Bartel)
Subject: Re: Photo-CD...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:50:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

I got such information from Kodak at 1-800-242-2424 (after going through
a maze of "touch 1 for blah, touch 2 for blahblah" stuff. What you 
want is "Electronic Imaging" under "Information".)

EARLEJD@MOREKYPR.BITNET wrote:
: Hello,
: Does anyone have an up to date list of drives, host adaptors, and
: drivers that support reading a Kodak Photo-CD?
: 
: Thanks
: 
: John David Earley
: EARLEJD@MOREKYPR.BITNET

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hagen@cwis.unomaha.edu (Beverly Hagen)
Subject: Re: Photo CD Drives (was Re: Video on standard CD's?)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:18:30 GMT
From: "peter gottlieb" <peter.gottlieb@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: bottom line on photo
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:16:30 EST
Reply-To: "peter gottlieb" <peter.gottlieb@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Now, I don't want to get too far off topic here (since I am very interested
in Photo CD, when it becomes available, meaning in this area and the
availability of a double-speed multi-session player...), but...

CH-W>...response to stuff about unfairness of patents...

CH-W>Actually Mike, what happens is the small programmer uses trade secrets to
CH-W>hide the fact that he has infringed on dozens of patents in each of his
CH-W>programs.  Small programmers, such as myself, can't afford to spend weeks
CH-W>of time, for each line of code written, to determine if we have infringed o
CH-W>someone elses patented algorithm.  So we have to write our programs, and
CH-W>cross our fingers that nobody decompiles our code and finds one of their
CH-W>patented "thingies" living in it.

If it were only that simple!

   The present patent system keeps pending patents a secret.  Since patents
may be pending for YEARS, nobody knows what's in the pipeline right now.
So, even if you totally examine your code, and spend great effort to rewrite
anything resembling an existing patent, you may get killed by some patent
that you HAVE NO POSSIBLE WAY OF KNOWING ABOUT.
   I believe that there is no future for independant programmers in the
mass-marketed software field unless something changes.  There will, however,
still be work doing custom software for corporations' internal use; in
such instances, the 'trade secrets' deal will keep any patent holders
from having access to the code, so they cannot find any infringing code.

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Talon drive/Pro AudioSpectrum
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:34:40 GMT

In article <CDROM-L%92111806062128@UCCVMA.UCOP.EDU> "Hans D. Jensen" <DFMHDJ@VM.UNI-C.DK> writes:
>Hi,
>A friend of mine is considering bying the Talon drive advertised
>by Hard Drives International. Does anybody have recommondations or
>the opposite for this drive?

I have a BIG problem with this company.  I called about their Talon T-100
about a month ago.  I advertised 380ms access time.  I sounded good, so I
called them to confirm.  It seems that the ad they have had in PC Magazine
for AT LEAST the past three issues is wrong.  It is at least 600ms (could
be 700ms.)  An honest mistake is one thing, but can't they correct the
error?  Other than that, they seem like a good place to order from.  I
havn't tried them out, but the bundled software that they offer is VERY
tempting.  I got a different drive however, because I wanted a bigger buffer.

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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Your own CD for $269
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park

I was skimming in the back of PC-Magazine... displayed was an ad for (no, I
don't have it in front of me) a company which would make a CD for you for $269.
... anyone remember the details? 

It sounded like an interesting (and relatively hassle-free) way of doing a
one-off for experimentation. Ship them media and $269, and they'd send back
media and one CD. 

I'm not sure what Bob Bruce was charging for one-offs or if he was doing it
himself...

                 Play in the intelluctual sandbox of Usenet 

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: cd-rom@WINONA.MWC.COM ("Michael L. Kaufman")
Subject: Re: Decision made!
Reply-To: "Michael L. Kaufman" <cd-rom@WINONA.MWC.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:02:19 GMT

>It is becomming obvious that choosing a drive at this time would be like
>deciding among a TI-99/A, a Commodore 64, an Atari 400, or a Sinclair Z-80.
>In other words, as I don't absolutely NEED a cd-rom drive at this time, I
>should wait until a clear "standard" emerges.  Otherwise, I might find myself
>finding desirable software will not play on my system.  Comments?

This is a bit strong. I purchased my first CD-Rom drive three and a half
years ago, and except for Photo-CD stuff, there are no PC applications
that it will not run. I believe that this will continue to be true. Perhaps
another propietary standard will show up in a while, but I don't see the
mass market moving away from ISO-9660.

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman)
Subject: Mitsumi CD-ROM
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:47:08 GMT


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From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM and PAS 16
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:35:43 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

In article <1em9q8INN8uv@phad.hsc.usc.edu> lfreeman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Leny Freeman) writes:
>I am looking to get an internal CD-ROM for my tower pc and have a
>ProAudio Spectrum 16 to use as the interface.  The latest review
>I can find on CD-ROMs is Oct '91 PC Mag.  In that article it said
>that the NEC CDR-73/83 (ext/int) was the fastest drive but said
>that it lacked the proper optimization for a smooth flow of data.


CD-Rom drives are scheduled for review in the next issue of PC Mag (cover
date should be around Dec. 24 -- the Dec. 8 issue lists this as coming up
next).  You might want to wait, as I am doing.

Sony has a new cd-rom drive that looks great on paper.  But they are taking
forever to ship it in a pc version (version sold as an Apple mac drive has
been shipping for awhile).  It is dual spin like the NECs but appears to have
greater compatibility and will probably be at a better price.  In my opinion,
the NEC drives are way overpriced.  Note that Apple is charging LESS than
$200 for this new drive (it is in a $210 upgrade package that includes a half
meg of vram).  And Sony has rights to alot of cdrom software, so MY hope is
that when this thing finally appears, some attractive bundles will be
available.  The fact is that cd-rom drives are built for under $200 and at
some point brands other than Mitsumi will reflect that....

Cheers,

Dave
From: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: cdrom packages
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: daniel.campbell@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Campbell) 


0.>Does anyone know any good CD-ROM packages?
0.>
0.>        Thanks Melinda
Yes, Creative Labs offers a Multi Media Kit. Includes...Soun Blaster Pro 
Card...CD-ROM Drive...MS Bookshelf for Windows...Call 800-EGG-HEAD 
software...$399.
                          

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From: trw2352@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Wohlers)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.binaries.sounds.d
Subject: Re: Read before buying MediaVision
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:31:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: trw2352@ultb

I also had purchased and tried out a MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum 16.

I played with the IRQ and DMA and could not get it to work.
(I had the newest version of the software, 1.3 )  Then I called
tech support and was also told there was a 24 hour turn around on support
calls.  The next day I spent 3 hours on the phone (1-800) trying to figure
it out.  They could not help me and told me to return it saying it was broken. 
I believe there may have been some conflicts between the Audio card and my
video card, but by then I did not want to struggle with it any more.

When I returned the card to the store I bought it from, the manager told me,
many people have difficulty installing the card.  I also noticed they no longer
sell it.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hubbard@INFERENCE.COM ("Bruce D. Hubbard")
Subject: bottom line on photo
Reply-To: hubbard@INFERENCE.COM
Organization: Inference Corporation
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:01 GMT

CH-W>...response to stuff about unfairness of patents...

It gets worse and worse.  Our lawyer told me that they (the legal
profession) are now having to recommend to their companies that
they protect themselves by attempting to blanket patent _everything_
in their code.  Even if it gets rejected, you then have a prior
filing on record to use as evidence at a later date.  The cost
of this approach is probably too high for even large companies
to find it attractive.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,alt.sex.pictures,alt.sex.pictures.d,alt.binaries.erotica,alt.binaries.erotica.d,ba.motss,soc.motss
Subject: Gay CD-ROM
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:23:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: keno@carson.u.washington.edu (Kenneth Oakman)
Subject: caddies
Summary: where are they cheap
Keywords: caddies
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:01:18 GMT

     Does anybody know of a cheap or reasonably priced supply of
     cd-rom caddies, and discs?

      Many people might be interested so post here or reply via e-mail

	Thanks
	Ken O.
        keno@cac.washington.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Subject: CDROM drives for Sparcstations without caddies
Organization: The City University
Distribution: alt
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:02:30 GMT

Are there any CDROM drives that will work correctly with 
Sparcstation 1+s that do not use caddies (presumably
having a drawer-type loading mechanism). We may need
something of the sort to put on a public-access workstation

Andy

Andy Holt // City University Computer Unit // Northampton Sq // London EC1V 0HB

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Christopher Wroten)
Subject: MSCDEX & extended memory? Alternatives to MSCDEX?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:11:04 GMT

I missed most of the discussion recently on how to get MSCDEX to use
extended (not expanded!) memory on a pc. I don't use expanded memory
so I can't use the /E option. Is there any way to convince MSCDEX to
use extended memory?

Are there alternatives to MSCDEX? It seems poorly put together and
rather limited in its abilities. Has no one written a worthwhile
replacement for it?

Christopher Wroten, cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us


Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.BITNET
Subject: Re: Talon drive/Pro AudioSpectrum
Reply-To: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:04:18 GMT

  A salesman at HDI told me "confidentially" (doubtful) that their
Talon drives are actually Texels in disguise.
From: garyk@uugary.UUCP (Gary Kaufman)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Coate's Art Review:Impressionism
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:57:27 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights BBS * Portland, Maine * 207-762-4782 (v.32bis)

Does anyone have an address for Alfred B. Coate Ltd ?

The CD-ROM Coate's Art Review: Impressionism comes with SVGA and VGA
drivers, But the SVGA drivers are only for a very few cards, and no
mention of Trident 8900c is made.  The documentation is lacking and
there's no address anywhere on the package!

True however - the pictures look very impressionistic in standard VGA.

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