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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:55:11 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Progressive

Me, too.  King Crimson (prefer their Discipline years), ELP, The
Other Dave Stewart, you name it.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:46:41 +0000
From:         "OUT,
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Subject:      Suzanne Vega gives the rappers a wink

woj (welcome back!) says:

>the first i heard about this song was when someone on another list far
>far away said that "blood makes noise" was techno. i nearly coughed my
>[...]
>it and listening to it more, i find that it works rather well for her.
>and i rather like it too (especially the dual audio track that is just
>slightly out of sync with each other - gives it a nice echoy feel).

        It reminds me more of a slow and soft version of rap than techno.
I literally jumped from my seat for surprise when I first heard it... but
I can't say I don't like it at all.
        I still find SV's evolution a bit cloudy, anyway. Of course, she
would not need to use such radio-tricks to write great songs. I still re-
member the "Book Of Dreams" let-down... what I mean is that songs like
"Some Journey", simple, straightforward, guitars fiddle and voice, still
sound great after years. I've soon grown bored of the new album. It simply
doesn't fit her natural style, I think.
        I am not saying the album is bad. But I think it's a bit too heady,
somewhat overproduced in other words.
        Anyway, should this be passed on as "research", I think the best
new idea which SV has shown in these years is contained in a hyper-short
contribution of the brilliant compilation "One World One Voice". Ethnic
style, and put together with respect and taste. Yes, I really liked that.

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:48:24 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Snakes and Ladders

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:14:35 EDT Michelle May said:
>O.K. Smarty-Pants:
>It wasn't until AFTER I read umpteen messages about SNAKES and Ladders and
>AFTER I wrote my querie about CHUTES and Ladders that the explanation of the
>difference between the American and British versions came across my screen!!
>EXCUUSE MEEE!!
>
>Thoroughly insulted,
>Michelle

Oh, surely not:  I can insult you *much* more thoroughly than THAT.
Toodles
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:04:40 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Barfalicious Tunes and Artists

In keeping with the spirit of the Top 10 classical list (and my own
natural proclivities toward spite, rage and obnoxity), I'll volunteer
to make a list of:

	(a) The "classical" (nope, can't define it) piece you hate
	the most.

	(b) The "classical" artist/performer you hate the most.

	(c) The "popular" (rock, jazz, pop, you name it) piece
	you hate the most.  Please list only the song here
	(i.e., we don't want to know that you hate Bill Shatner's
	rendition of Proud Mary).  What we want is a song/piece that
	would be bad no matter who sang/played it.

	(d) The "popular" artist/performer you hate the most.

Now for the hard part.  Come up with ONE in each category and email them
to me:

	crispen@foxy.boeing.com

It's OK to leave out a category or two or three.

Deadline: by the time I read my mail Monday morning 5 October 1992.
I know I'd rather see entries to my email instead of to the list, and
I'm sure the rest of you would, too.  So I'll ignore votes posted to
the list.  I'll count the votes early next week and post the results.
Anonymity will be preserved.

Note: second choices on each of the items will be ignored, so make
your first shot count.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:38:44 CDT
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Advice on singing...

Ok...
All I can tellya to try is, just be yourself out there.
Know that you're good, and capitalize on that.  If you
haven't had formal training, find somebody who charges
REASONABLE rates, and go for that... there's loads
that goes into singing that I didn't know about
until one of my friends had me sing for her voice
class... believe me, my eyes were opened, and I've
been singing since around age 4.
You said you play??? What instrument?
This could have an effect on the way your singing
style comes over to the crowd.  IF you're playing
piano, or something like that, learn the PIANO
MUSIC first, then go back and learn the lyrics.
This way, you don't have to worry about what
chord progression you've gotta hit when.
Memorize the music, ... I know it sounds
dumb, but it might just work.
If you're playing guitar??? I don't know.
Most of what I've seen, is guitarists who
jump around on stage so much, that they
run out of decent breath to even end a phrase correctly.
If YOU are SINGING a feature tune, and playing
guitar on same tune, don't worry about moving around.
Stay put... this way, you got more power coming from
within the lungs and diaphragm.  OH yeah...
YOU *GOTTA* SING from the GUT.... literally, breathe
from the diaphragm... get as MUCH air to those notes
as you can.
You'll sound better.
How do I know this?  Same principle applies to flute
playing... no breathing from the gut = no tone.
Ok. I've written a book about singing now...
(Didn't know I had that in me!)
"G"/Theresa
PS... Word to the wise is sufficient:
      If you've been downing that six before every gig?
      No wonder you're not singing like you should.
      The mess stays with you, and weights the sound.
      I'm not telling you to stop drinking, but you
      might try just one or two, if you have to do that.
      The entire six ain't healthy for a good sound.
      Honest.
      I've heard this before.
      No, being cocky won't necessarily make you a better
      singer.  In some circles, it can get you booted out
      on your rear.

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:21:29 EDT
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: doors, windows, and prokofiev

Thanks for your hilarious riposte on the "DOORS" posting, which
was far wittier than mine..
try Prokofiev's 2 violin sonatas and 2 violin concerti (the piano
concerti have their admirers, too); they are at once less "commercial"
than some of the other pieces, and also even more melodious.. good luck
Michael
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:39:07 EDT
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Longest Song Title

How about:
"Several species of small, furry animals gathered in a cave and grooving
with a pict."
              Pink Floyd off Ummagumma
                                                          ... walt ...
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:34:33 -0400
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: you don't get hands like that from squeezing lemons

>I should have known that you hang out in toy stores, Russie.  ;)
>Lemme ask you, since you're a dad of toddlers: What's your favorite Disney
 movie
>soundtrack?  I'm caught between _The Jungle Book_ and _The Little Mermaid_. :)

Hmmm.  Fantasia?  Honestly I can't really place the Disney movie soundtracks,
except for a song here and there.  We do have Mary Poppins, which is ok, but
nothing special.  Mostly it's Sesame Street, which has real musicians on
sometimes, and this video called Kidsongs.  Man, I'm sick of that one, but
the kids love it, and it's ok for them.  Then, of course, there's always
Raffi et al.

And, yes, I was just recently hanging out in a toy store, waiting for the
movie to begin.  We actually saw Singles (!), more because of the time it
started than because we wanted to see it.  It was that or Ducks or something
like that. Don't bother with Singles, btw.  Very little in the way of the
"Seattle music scene", 'though I think the singer from Pearl Jam might have
played a musician in it.  The movie's your basic "20something".  I believe
this rings the death knell for Seattle music, eh?

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:48:51 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Richard Thompson discography

Henry the Human Fly
I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight*
Hokey Pokey*
Pour Down Like Silver*
(Guitar, Vocal)**
First Light*
Sunnyvista*
Shoot Out the Lights*
Hand of Kindness
Across a Crowded Room
Strict Tempo!***
Small Town Romance****
Daring Adventures
Amnesia
Rumour & Sigh
Sweet Talker*****

Notes on the above:
* With Linda Thompson. She does a cameo on _Henry_ but was then known as Linda
Peters.

** This was the title of the English double album, which was a collection of
stuff off the cutting room floor, alternate takes, and whatnot. This is also
how Hannibal has reissued it on (single) CD. In the USA, Island pruned it down
to one album, and released it as part of a double set called something like
_Live, More or Less_, the other disk being _Bright Lights_ which was never
released here as a proper LP.

*** Instrumentals, largely trad, recorded with multiple overdubbage and Dave
Mattacks on drums. Originally released on a tiny indie label.

**** Live solo acoustic, superb.

***** Movie soundtrack. Not one of his more compelling releases.

Recommended purchases:
_I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight_ (great writing, great picking)
_Shoot Out the Lights_ (it's considered the sound of a marriage crumbling)
_Rumour & Sigh_ (chilling songs in incredibly diverse styles, great vocal)
_Sunnyvista_ (I really like the peculiar Brechtian vibe of this one)

Other stuff to watch for:
French Frith Kaiser Thompson: _Live, Love, Larf & Loaf_ (Rhino)
French Frith Kaiser Thompson: _Invisible Means_ (Windham Hill!)
Various, _Hard Cash_ (? -- songs from a BBC show about wage slavery)
Albion Country Band, _Morris On_ (Island -- another Ashley Hutchings project)
Various, _The Electric Muse_ (Island -- 4LP boxed set history of electric trad)

You may notice how much more rock'n'roll the albums become after his divorce.
Possibly this is a factor of needing to write material that suited his voice
instead of Linda's (and his voice did get a lot more robust right around then),
but it might also be some compensatory macho. You be the judge.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:29:48 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female blues singer

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:22:17 EDT Michelle May said:
>O.K., Leonard. . .
>
>You sorta kinda redeemed yourself from my flame gun.  HOWEVER, I would hope
>you would want a GOOD blues singer, no matter what race/gender (I know, you
>said "don't start", but I'm not trying to get racial).  I know a few good
>black female singers who could say the same for the band that's playing
>behind them: "I don't know of any white band that could play the blues the
>way it should be".  But I would STILL say, I hope you would want to find a
>GOOD blues band, no matter what the race/gender.

I agree 100% all i'm saying is name more than a few good white female blues
singers. I prefer black music period, 95% of my collection is prbally black
color doesn't really matter, but if you didn't see many good Fords you sure
wouldn't go out and buy one. Remember i saind many not any....LW
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>        Re the last Gabriel's album, the song "Steam" contains a sentence like:
>"You know your ladder from your snake"

Odd. Just today I heard a wordsmith (Richard Ledderer) on NH public radio
mention this British/English expression today.  A "ladder in your snake"
means a run in your (nylon) stocking.  Perhaps PG is mixing the board game
with the British expression.

Russ
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From:         "OUT,
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Subject:      TNR's CD available from inside the States

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:
*** TNR's _The Chessboard_ AVAILABLE IN THE STATES!!!

        I am sorry if this comes a little too late for some people who have
already sent the money to The Noisy Room in order to purchase TNR's CD "The
Chessboard" (thank you all!).
        I am nevertheless proud to announce that from today you can purchase
our records from *inside* the United States.
        This has obvious advantages:

1) they cost less (mail expenses are lower);
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3) the payment doesn't require a degree in Economics.

        There are three ways you can order now:

1) SEND ORDINARY MAIL TO:

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        Well, how could it be easier?
        PROGTRON will take care of the business side for us. We URGE you
to divert your orders to them, rather than send them to The Noisy Room:
it's better to you, for the reasons listed above, and it's better to us,
so that PROGTRON's distribution is not obfuscated by our mail-order servi-
ce.
        And remember that if you're looking for a rare, old, unthinkable
CD... well, PROGTRON probably has it! Send e-mail to ranjit@synopsys.com
and ask for a catalogue!

        Have a great day, you all!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:55:03 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Advice & observations

I was wondering if anyone can give me some pointers on singing, the group
I'm playing with seems to think I'm the "leader" because they always wait on
me to kick of a tune, I'm flattered, but my ego is not strong enuff, i guess
I'll have to get "cocky" when the time calls for and just get in-your-face
SRV/Buddy Guy style and hope no-one perceives this as some axe-slinger with
a big ego (of course we all have a little ego). Anyway back to the subject sinc
i'm the only one with the "balls" to attempt singing, plus i know the lyrics
i appreciate any advice of getting better at it and not having to drink a
six b4 i feel ready.

STAGE PRESENCE: i would imagine the cockiness would enchance my stage presence
once again i'm confident in my playing, but rather timid when it comes to
putting in your face so-to-speak. So please advise me.

WARNING LABELS: I think certain release;s should carry the following warning
do not operate machinery or drive autos while listening for example:
Allman fillmore East it moves me i close my eyes and sway, SRv...etc
you get my drift...i really appreciate some pointers on my questions
.......thanks......L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:41:17 MEZ
From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      PG - US - SO WHAT!

  Three days ago I was in town and saw two new CDs that I'd been waiting for
for some time; namely Peter Gabriel's 'US' and Tom Waits' 'Bone Machine'.
I grabbed both and ask to listen to them (a friendly service offered to
customers at one of the stores - the most expensive). So, off we go...

  US:  The first track started - mmm, similar sort of feel to SO - nice.
       Wow, fancy starting with a 7+ min. track.
       The second track - also nice - lots of work put into the production.
       The third, fourth, fifth track, and so on - all very NICE - I wonder
       who plays 'production' on this track?
       'Steam' - direct copy of 'Sledgehammer'!
       '14 Black Pictures' (or whatever it's called) - black musicians
       (that's cool) - one world, one voice, one bank account!
       To sum up, US is very NICE, comfortable and great value for money
       (over an hour long). But, it's not 'vital' music - it's sofa music!
       This stuff isn't gonna change the world - try comparing any of the
       tracks here with...ummm...well, the Wailer's 'Simmer Down' for
       example. For me there's no contest, the urgency of 'Simmer Down'
       knocks spots off US. Someone on the list said that the album had a
       'wooly' feel to it - I agree totally, like your favourite old wooly
       jumper - warm and comforting. I used to love PG's music right from
       the opening bars of 'Trespass', and have seen him/them many times
       live, and consider myself a fan of his music. But, this album just
       doesn't tread any new ground.
         I wonder how long it will be before they start playing this over
       the tanoy of my local supermarket?

  Bone Machine:  I'm afraid that PG's US thew me a bit and it wasn't fair
       listening to this album directly afterwards. However, my first
       impressions were that Tom had gone a bit too far this time (most
       tracks just consisted of Tom on vocals and some kind of percussion,
       an upright bass player, and one other musician - this gave a very
       sparse, harsh sound). However, there were a number of tracks that
       sounded really good - I almost bought it just for the 2 mins. worth
       of 'The Ocean Doesn't Want Me'. I just wish that he'd do things like
       this more often. Has anyone got this album yet - what do YOU think
       of it?


Paul

(PS. In 'on-line' now, no more of this ALLMUSIC-DIGEST delay.)
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:58:02 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Standards "diva"-eation

Carol wants to know about the new Sinead O'Connor album. Me too--I haven't yet
heard it. But the review in Musician magazine is kinda frosty. O'Connor's
latest is a batch of covers of standards such as "Black Coffee," "How
Insensitive," "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered", and, perhaps most
inexplicably, "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" from Evita. Not an original tune
in the heap, I'm afraid. Here's a few excerpts from Musician's scathing
review: "Not since Bob Dylan's universally maligned Self Portrait has a major
rock artist miscalculated so thoroughly in reaching for outside material...
she just sleepwalks her way through whispery renditions... she DOES TOO want
what she hasn't got--namely, the chops to carry off classic pop and jazz
standards in an unadulteratedly traditional style.... O'Connor's vocal vamping
recalls nothing so much as the surly side of Helen Reddy."

Not that I stake my tastes on critical reviews, but this has me hesitant on
purchasing the new O'Connor. (Maybe I should wait till it comes out on vinyl).
Anyone have a more positive reaction to it?

And what prompts a talented singer/songwriter to put out an album of standards
if it's not quite in their league to do so? Are they all Sarah Vaughan
wannabees? Should we blame Linda Ronstadt? Rickie Lee Jones? Elvis Costello
(in the country mode)? Am I asking dumb questions? Will you ignore this post
altogether?

Fools rush in,
Rick
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:22:17 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: female blues singer

O.K., Leonard. . .

You sorta kinda redeemed yourself from my flame gun.  HOWEVER, I would hope
you would want a GOOD blues singer, no matter what race/gender (I know, you
said "don't start", but I'm not trying to get racial).  I know a few good
black female singers who could say the same for the band that's playing
behind them: "I don't know of any white band that could play the blues the
way it should be".  But I would STILL say, I hope you would want to find a
GOOD blues band, no matter what the race/gender.

Michelle "Trying to Make Peace" May
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Subject:      help !!!!

Help !!!!
Does anybody know how i can be deleted from
this ALLMUSIC-Mailing-List.

Martin

Please e-mail to: SCHLUTZ@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE

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From: ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins)
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Subject: Heavy Metal Observations
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:05:17 GMT
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I racked my brain, trying to come up with some heavy metal bands that i've
heard and liked. So i remembered just last week i stopped at a friends and
there was some nice music playing (real bluesy) i said who is that and
much to my suprise he said AC/DC i asked was the rest of the album that
way and he said a big NO, but i liked that song the others i heard by
AC/DC i did not like. Also i used to work with a fellow who played in
a locally successful heavy metal band (Fuzz) and their guitar player
was out of town and they asked me to sit in, while they "practiced"
I brought my Strat and Bassman and we started going for it, we mixed
in some blues tunes also (just to keep me happy) and before the  night
(long night) was over i was playing a lime green Les Paul through a
Marshall stack with about 5 or 6 pedals (which i let them control)
and i had a great time and they invite me to play regularly. I still
didn't care for the heavy metal type tunes, but they were very good
musicians, some of the best i've played with. So when i say i don't like
H.M. it's defintely not a reflection on the musicians it's just not my
my cup-of-tea........L."not-apologizing"W.
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