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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogre.will.718645624
Organization: Indiana University

In <5914@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

>4. Indiana-Purdue/Ohio State/Michigan. Someone in the Big 10 always
>seems to give Indiana a good matchup. I am not too familiar with Big 10
>rivalries to say what's what. I added Purdue for intrastate rivalry as
>well as the fact that sometimes Indiana doesn't do that well (it seems
>to me) there.

Indiana/Purdue is probably the biggest around here.  Since big bad Lawrence
went to TOFU there has been some rivalry there, but most real IU fans can
forgive the team for anything as long as they beat Purdue.

Will
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Mashburn
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:46:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw0MH7.8xu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>Rick Pitino said in a local interview today, that if Mashburn has another
>great year like last year, he WILL go to the NBA the following season.
>Pitino wants him to go hardship.  Also Pitino complained about recent NCAA
>legislation that requires all teams to start practicing later than normal.
>With his alotment of young players (Probble 3 starting freshmen) this is
>understandable, but everyone is in the same boat.

	<< 3 >> starting freshmen?  I don't see it.  I could see perhaps
	1 (Roderick Rhodes), maybe two (Tony Delk) -- but who's the third?
	Here's what I see as the starting lineups:

	PG -- Travis Ford
	SG -- Jeff Brassow, Dale Brown
	SF -- Roderick Rhodes
	PF -- Jamal Mashburn
	C  -- Gimel Martinez, Rodney Dent

	If you're thinking of Dent as a freshman, he's a JUCO transfer --
	although I do think he may make a good run at the starting center
	job.  Rhodes I think is a given to start at Pel's old spot.  If
	Delk is going to start, he's going to have to beat out the starter
	from 2 years ago (Brassow), and a part-time starter from last
	sesaon (Brown).  Unless Brassow is having problems coming back
	from knee surgery (Ford also), I see Delk more as a offensive spark
	off of the bench.

	Jazzy J
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:59:51 GMT

In article <26336@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>
> >UCLA only hangs one type of banner.
> > 

 (Trent's hilarious diatribe deleted) 

>
>It's too bad UCLA hasn't won any national championship ever since the 
>1970's.  UCLA is facing the reality today where college basketball is 
>more balanced, and all colleges have chances to get top players and 
>go for the national championships.  That is why Duke's finishing in 
>the Final Four five times in the past six years and winning two straight 
>national championships is a remarkable feat.
>
>The NC banners lose their appeal with time, and it certainly looks
>like UCLA won't be putting up any more NC banners for some time to come.
>

You know you're right. In fact, Duke's championship banners have
certainly lost a lot of their appeal already to anyone reading
r.s.b.c. 


>Furthermore, UCLA's not putting up the conference championship banners
>suggests that there is no pride in winning championships in a weak
>conference.  I still remember people complaining about UCLA's playing
>in a weak conference in the 1960's and 1970's.
>

Come on Dukies. Your team is defending national champions. They're on
the cover of Parade magazine. Even Marilyn Vos Savant acknowledges
them as stellar athletes and gentlemen. Still, the question remains:

Do any of you have a sense of humour? 

Ken B.
From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.15OCT199209025261
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Oct15.092609.15320@cs.ucla.edu>, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes...
{In article <1992Oct14.185951.7184@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
{>
{>Come on Dukies. 

		< stuff deleted>

{>Do any of you have a sense of humour? 
{ 
{I saw a Duke fan with a sense of humor once.  He didn't even have a chip
{on his shoulder.
{ 
{Unfortunately, Reagan wouldn't give him protection under the endangered
{species act, despite the recommendations of our nation's leading
{scientists.  When he finally passed away without having mated, the
{species went extinct.
{

The species is not extinct.  An additional one has been discovered here
in Utah (home of many other prehistoric beasts - BYU) at the U of Utah.
He also has not mated and we are in deep concern over this.  We have been
able to teach him rudimentary skills such as speaking, reading, and drinking
3.2 beer without getting drunk.  However, we have had extreme difficulty in
teaching him how to post with the r.s.b.c.  

An interesting note is that he seems to be of the same genetic pool that 
generates all Dookies - Jersey!

-Eric (Go STATE!!)
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu
From: lillie@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Christopher Lillie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:58:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>> The Dean Dome has two things that make it unusual (amongst arenas):
>>   
>>   1. Sound Absorbtion.  Instead of being a hollow tin shell, they put
>>      in stuff during construction to eat noise so that concerts could 
>>      be performed there, and the like.
>
>In fact, after the 1988-89 season noise absorbers were REMOVED from
>Cameron, spoiling many future concerts there.

    Seems to me like the Dukies have the right idea. A basketball arena's
top consideration should be basketball. If you can add to your home court
advantage do it. Cameron was tough before, but you do hear more about the
noise now.
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From: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Dickie V's guide (was: Street and Smith Issue)
Reply-To: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:57:58 GMT

In article <70234@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
|> In article <16116@borg.cs.unc.edu> denelsbe@washington.cs.unc.edu (Kevbo) writes:
|> >In article <70054@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
|> >)In case anyone is interested and doesn't already know, I've just
|> >)discovered that the Street and Smith College/Prep Basketball Issue
|> >)is supposed to come out on October 20.
|> >
|> >S & S is usually a pretty good guide.  But Dick Vitale's guide is (IMO) the
|> >best.  Anyone know the street date for Dickie V's guide?  Anyone seen a
|> >copy yet?
|> 
|> At the risk of rehashing an old thread, I really dislike Dick Vitale's
|> commentary.
|> 
|> I'm afraid to buy his guide, for fear that all his analysis will be 
|> presented in capital letters, with question marks and exclamation
|> marks liberally distributed throughout...rather like the way he talks.
|> 
|> Street and Smith are about as good as they come.
|> 
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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	Wrong all are rags compared to Blue Ribbon: The best basketball mag ever printed.

				Craig Thompson
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Keywords: Ala/Ark
Organization: Indiana Daily Student
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:32:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.181126.12113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.185511.27992@ncsu.edu> jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE) writes:
>>
>>Hmm, I kinda like it here in Raleigh.  It's a pleasant environment where the
>>students feel a real bond with their school.  As for a cultural wasteland,
>>try looking around Raleigh before you condemn it.  And as for Indiana, well,
>>*there's* a cultural Mecca for the United States.  OK, maybe for basketball,
>>but face it, there isn't much else *to* do in Indiana.  And as for condemning
>>my school, get a life.  You wouldn't know a good thing if it walked up to 
>>you and hit you over the head.

Oh, goody, something right up my alley. :)

I've lived in Raleigh for eight years, and I will have to admit there is more
to do in the Triangle than in Bloomington.  Of course, IU people also have
Indianapolis 50 miles or so north, and a lot of the Bloomington clubs are 
geared toward the legal set (i.e. 21-and-over).  Still you could go to any
college, and there will be loads of stuff geared toward the college set.
NC State has Hillsborough St., UNC has Franklin St., IU has Kirkwood Ave., etc.

>Hey, I know you fight fire with fire (I always do), but don't slam on all
>of Indiana just because of some &*^*&^$*hole from IU.  There are a few
>things one can do in Indiana other than basketball, but probably not as
>many as you can in North Carolina.  But this guy bashed on Raleigh, so if
>you want to be true to form, you should bash on Bloomington.

Well, everywhere has its share of assholes, I suppose.  During the '91 Final 
Four in Naptown, about three or four drunk truck-driver-looking dudes bum
rushed the ESPN podium at Union Station after Duke took the title and started
chanting "IU, IU..."  I was glad I was wearing my Duke gear at the time.  It
looked pretty ugly for the school.

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From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Street & Smith's Has Arrived!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:55:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Oct16.135558.1

In article <1992Oct16.151342.27382@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, erwinc@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher S. Erwin) writes:
> 
> Well, Street & Smith's is out!  I haven't had much of a chance to
> go through it yet, but here is the top 25:
> 

> Pac 10
> 1. Arizona          6. Washington State  
> 2. UCLA             7. Stanford
> 3. Arizona State    8. Oregon State
   Isn't this a           Isn't this *A little* low?
   little high?
> 4. California       9. Washington        Newcomer:  Jason Kidd
> 5. Southern Cal    10. Oregon            POTY:  Chris Mills


Hmmmm..there are some things I just don't understand about these
pre-season rags!  Oregon State that low is ridiculous.  ASU
that high seems kind of odd, too.  Also, how is WSU supposed to finish
that high with almost nobody returning?

I think 3 interesting questions in the PAC-10 this year will be:

1)  Will Arizona and UCLA still outclass everyone else in the league?

2)  Can Cal really improve as much as some people expect w/ the
    arrival of Jason Kidd?

3)  Can Washington really be that bad with the front line of
    Manning, Pope, and Keane?  They could definately be the suprise
    team of the league, but nobody except Dick V. has seemed to
    notice.



Just some thoughts on a pretty mediocre conference this year
(But a balanced one!    :)       )

-Daytrpr
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Street & Smith's Has Arrived!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:55:40 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Oct16.135558.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>3)  Can Washington really be that bad with the front line of
>    Manning, Pope, and Keane?  They could definately be the suprise
>    team of the league, but nobody except Dick V. has seemed to
>    notice.


Well the problem there is their guards. Nobody knows how good they might
be. Cal, UCLA and Arizona all have really good guard play(or should have)
and their front lines are good enough that they ought to be better than
UW, but you never know.




Russ Smith
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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Annual Prediction...
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:04:01
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: fehr@ms.uky.edu's message of Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:02:33 GMT

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Davis <fehr@ms.uky.edu> writes:

  Jeff> Right. All of the rec.sport groups were created under a proof-by-
  Jeff> shouting charter. They pass out free exclamation points, or did when
  Jeff> I subscribed, when you first post. However, I hardly ever use mine and
  Jeff> now my desk is littered with them. I am running low, though, on
  Jeff> Snide Remarks, Pointless Jibes, and Adolescent Venom and could
  Jeff> use a refill. Does anyone know if the supply truck will come around
  Jeff> before Thanksgiving?

Those of us who don't jerk off over the summer and waste our valued venom
on debates about which 9th grade phenom might be coming to our school if he
doesn't break his leg on a recruiting trip (or get bought by NC State, your
mileage may vary), whether wine and cheese is served at obviously inferior
playing facilities (of course they serve wine and cheese and they have a
good pate' to boot), or what bball magazines are necessary to occupy an
obvious overabundance of spare time, are saving our pointed commentary for
the !!PAC-10!! season. Apparently reported levels have been steadily
increasing in Tuscon, AZ, El-lay, CA and various Farms in the SF bay area.
This may explain the current short supply.

No smilies for the humor impaired.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Final Four Venues (was: Re: Call for toughest arena votes)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:47:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvt7vz.FBG
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

brule@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule) writes:
>>
>>   And are you suggesting that New Jersey Nets b-ball would be of more interest
>>than the Final Four? :-)     


>Is anyone even sure that the Nets could make it to the final four?  :)

	There's no question that the Nets would beat any NCAA team, and
	probably would make it to the Final 4 if they entered the tournament.
	For one, they'd be simply too big -- they've been in the league
	leaders in rebounding in the NBA the past 2 years.  With bangers
	like Dudley, Coleman, and Bowie -- there'd be hardly anyone in the
	college ranks to box them out.  And with someone like Petrovic with
	the college 3-pt line?  He'd score at least 30 a night!  Throw in
	Kenny Anderson, Chris Morris, Mookie Blaylock, etc -- and U have a
	handful of 1st round picks and college all-americans.  Add that
	Chuck Daly's now the coach, and I don't see any college team out there
	that could defeat the Nets.

	Jazzy J
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:38:51 CDT
Keywords: Ala/Ark

In article <92361@netnews.upenn.edu> arent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (William J. Arent) writes:
>I haven't posted to r.s.b.c. in a LONG time so don't give me the
>same treatment that fellow in AriZOnA gets ...
>
>Two comments:
>1. I'm from the West and really don't see what's the big rivalry 
>   between Indiana and Purdue.  The history is there, I concede, but
>   Purdue just hasn't matched up with them for quite a while (not
>   since the unfulfilled days of Everett Stephens, Mitchell, etc in 198_?
>   I'd rather watch an Indiana-Michigan game, since that one might
>   be CONTESTED.

Oh, really?  Why don't you look at how the series has gone the last few
years?  Purdue upset IU last year in Mackey, so it was a split.  IU did
sweep Purdue two years ago, but the game in Mackey went down to the final
minute.  Three years ago (1989-1990), Purdue swept IU, with a team of Tony
Jones, Ryan Berning, Steve Scheffler, et al.

I just love it when IDIOTS like yourself don't know what the hell they are
talking about.  You may not consider the series a big rivalry, but it
certainly has been CONTESTED.  What a $$&@^#&$%(*$#&!!!
-- 

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:53:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.021839.10202@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent  
Lange) writes:
> UCLA only hangs one type of banner.
> 
> Not fake conference championship banners.
> Not even its many real conference championship banners.

Sorry to correct your error Trent, but UCLA has never won a 
championship in a real conference.

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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:35:12 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

>In article <matthew.719111523@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>'Course I don't see what's wrong will celebrating whatever achievements 
>>your team may have made on the court, be they NCAA titles, NIT 
>>semi-finalist, or highest percentage of graduated players.  

>Hear, hear! If UNC wants to put up a banner celebrating the vastness of Dean's
>nose, that's OK by me...

I've been thinking some more about this, and I've convinced myself
that I'm right (it wasn't even very hard).

A team should put up a banner for any successful season, and the team should
define success however they want.  It's not whether you win or lose, it's
that you have played the game that most counts.

Unless you lose to Duke, of course.
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:12:03 GMT

Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Is the NIT Championship banner still hanging in Pauley?

Yes, but, as our friends at Stanford proved(*) a few years back, an NIT
championship is, in fact, a legitimate national championship.  There
was a move to take it down a few years ago (and I'm sure there will be
another), but I'd like to see it stay.  

'Course I don't see what's wrong will celebrating whatever achievements 
your team may have made on the court, be they NCAA titles, NIT 
semi-finalist, or highest percentage of graduated players.  
People with the attitude that you can only hang banners for coming 
in first will be unhappy a fair amount of the time.
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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Summary: Execution!
Keywords: Bribe, Referees
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <13OCT199213173149@mivax.mc.duke.edu>, seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS) writes...
{In article <6002@news.
{>  Personally, I think it was that damned 4 corners that Dean used to run
{>that turned so many people off! :-)  
{>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
{ 
{   Not only that, but the referees tended to favor Carolina.  I know this
{sounds like whining (I save bandwidth by flaming myself...) from a Duke fan,
{but I've heard other ACC fans make the same complaint.  There was one time when
{Dean Smith pounded his fist on the scorers table so hard, he changed the score!
{   Dean didn't even get a technical (though they did correct the score).
{[End of file]


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-Eric