HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: stuff...the secrets?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:31:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <By0tun.6rI@unix.amherst.edu> atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin) writes:
>
>I think the situation here is comparable to a belief in some deity. I believe
>that there's an eleventh commandment:  Thou shalt not question the existence of
>Disney employes on the net.  Their possible presence is not important to our
>conversation.  If they are there, then they are wisely using the net to
>learn what no demographics chart could represent.  Good for them. :-)

There is an article in the August 10th issue of LAN Times called "Beat
the competition by accessing info on Internet."  Walt Disney
Imagineering is included in the list of companies that make use of
this tactic.  I've only read the abstract available from the UC's
Melvyl system (melvyl.ucop.edu), not the article itself.


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Next Disney film
From: kcbetts@ualr.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:36:22 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock


	I'm new to this system so please forgive any errors I might make.

	Could somebody please tell me what the next Disney animation
will be about.  I know that there is a X-Mas special for '93 called
The Nightmare Before Christmas but what is their next "big" film going
to be.

		     "Thankyou for your support"
					--Bartles and James commercial


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From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Parody; A Forum?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:51:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.024205.1715@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:
>   In article <1992Nov9.210831.1@acme.claremont.edu> greg@acme.claremont.edu 
>   (Tigger) writes:
> 
>   >group, where does that leave us, eh?  As far as I'm concerned, the only
>   >thing that has no place in this newsgroup is people who try to force
>   >their morality down my throat.  I have my own values that I'm quite
> 
>So you would also force us to partake of your drivel, attempting to 
>justify your lack of taste?
> 
>   No one is questioning your right to express yourself, only your 
>ability to be responsible for those expressions.  Quite frankly, I am 
>sick and tired of this entire discussion. It has no place in this 
>echo, period.  I'm glad you have your own values, but please allow us 
>ours.  We are in this newsgroup to discuss Disney, a subject that 
 ^^^^   ^^
>encompasses family values, not gutter values.  Take your immature 
>little act to rec.humor, or anywhere else that may be more 
>appropriate.

Umm...could you define "we", please?  In case you haven't noticed,
rec.arts.disney is an OPEN forum, and the God Squad is NOT the entire forum!!
The "Be My Guest" parody may be rude, crude, and in poor taste, but it *is*
Disney-related, so it *is* appropriate material for a Disney group, even if
it doesn't agree with some of those who read the group--and we were all warned
ahead of time what was in it.  Which is more than I can say about the 
preaching that's been going on here lately.

And if you're so sick and tired of the discussion, why don't you just use your
killfile and be done with it?

And read Tyger's post.  She pretty much says it all.
---
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From: Steve_Lammert@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Walt Disney To Build Sea Park In Japan
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:39:51 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Subject: Walt Disney To Build Sea Park In Japan Instead Of Calif.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:22:31 -0500 (EST)


  BURBANK, Calif. -DJ- Walt Disney Co. (DIS) has revived plans for a
new ''Disney Sea'' attraction, but will build it next to Tokyo Disneyland
rather than Long Beach, Calif., Disney Chairman Michael Eisner said in
a speech.   

  Eisner didn't give further details.   

  Disney dropped plans late last year to build the ocean and marine life
themed park in Southern California after facing numerous regulatory and
environmental roadblocks.  Disney Sea was part of a more ambitious park,
hotel and retail center called Port Disney that would have cost about
$3 billion.    

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From: sao@athena.mit.edu (Andy Oakland)
Subject: Re: WDW commerical on TV
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:16:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.121349.1@evax.gdc.com> sroka@evax.gdc.com writes:
>I've recently seen the new(er) WDW commerical with the Be Our Guest theme. At
>the end of this spot they have Mickey on top of Spaceship Earth waving as the
>camera pulls back.

Just checking:  The Mickey on top of Spaceship Earth in this shot _is_ a
robot, right? (or maybe I should say an "audioanimatronic figure?" :^)
I just can't imagine them putting a stuntman in a Mickey suit up there!

	:Andy Oakland
	sao@athena.mit.edu
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Belle short-sighted ?
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:37:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov21.033120.12480@news.cs.indiana.edu> gtan@angel.cs.indiana.edu (Tan Gek Woo) writes:
>
>Do you think Belle could be short-sighted ?  She holds the book so close
>to her face when she reads (in town).  She also reads with the menu very
>close to her face.  Reading while walking certainly won't help her eyes.
>One exception though : she was reading with the book at a normal distance
>when Gaston called to propose to her.
>
>Gek Woo

Do you mean near-sighted? :-)  Reading something up close in a film
like that can mean several things.  When she's reading in
town, she's ignoring the townspeople; she was so engrossed in her
book.  Reading the menu up close simply exaggerates her sense of
interest--appropriate in a number like "Be Our Guest."

But in all honesty, wouldn't you think that she'd have enough common
sense to wear glasses if she needed them? 8-)


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: yhsu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yuta Hsu)
Subject: Re: BatB Ballroom scene
Summary: Humans did the characters, not the ballroom.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:45:38 GMT

     The ballroom itself was rendered and colored by computer, Belle and the 
Beast were drawn in by hand. It would next to impossible to do the panning 
shots all by hand with such detail and correct perspective. There is, however, 
a hand-drawn ballroom scene in the movie... at the end. The ballroom at the end 
was drawn by hand, but was still colored by CAPS (computer). You can see the 
difference. IMHO, both ballroom scenes are grand, but the computer rendering is 
just spectacular!

     Smiles,
          Yuta
     Hsu.14@osu.edu
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From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN, lightly salted & reviewed (no cholesterol, no spoilers)
Keywords: ALADDIN
Reply-To: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:29:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.041408.9972@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:

My first post didn't seem to get through, so I'd like to apologize if
this is a copy.

>PS. Just to satisfy curiosity (I missed it in the credits): who did the
>    voice of the narrator/peddler who opens the film?  Williams?

This was done by Bruce Adler. He plays Zangler in the Broadway musical
Crazy for You. A good musical, this one is.

>PPS. Damn, do I want this on laserdisc.  (I and the rest of the Holy Trinity
>     who accompanied me to the film (Jerry Boyajian and Rob Ferguson as The
>     Holy Ghost) would gladly sell Jeffrey Katzenberg's soul to get a good,
>     letterboxed CAV edition of this film tomorrow.  (But, given JK's
>     position, it's probably too late.))

AAAARRGGHHH!!!! I want it too!!! But BatB is only coming out next
year on disc and with Disney's policy on LDs....

BTW, did anyone catch the Aladdin work-in-progress screening at the NY
Film Festival? They charged $50 per seat (that's *without* dinner!)
and that was a bit too much for me. I have a feeling that Disney will
release the WIP disc first. 
        farul ghazali.
        columbia university in the city of new york.
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From: riouxp@rs6305.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: TLM found in Hamden, CT(interesting)
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:23:31 GMT

I am not sure about the little mermaid, beauty and the beast, or fantasia, but i think that i have seen most of the other disney movies... and sing along songs on copied versions....and if you are looking for the tlm ld, check in a local radio shack.... the four or five that i have been to havbe had them... for $30 no less....don't know if they are cav or not though.....

SQUID...
riouxp@rpi.edu
From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Alladin Soundtrack Observation
Keywords: alladin soundtrack
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:28:05 GMT

In article <8#y1b3f@rpi.edu> riouxp@rpi.edu writes:
>kathy... and anybody else for that matter.. did anybody notice that one of 
>the songs... i think.. don't qoute me.. i will have to recheck.."whole new 
>world"..
>the first few notes sound almost exactly like "beauty and the beast.????

The very last note, which is held for several seconds, of "Whole New World"
sounds like the last note in "Beauty and the Beast".
---
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From: chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry)
Subject: movie testing?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:15:18 GMT

Hi, gang!  I have been reading with tremendous interest about the
bloopers that folks have been finding  in BatB, TLM, etc.  Some of
my favorites were those that  involved physics discussions.  Anyhow,
as I do system testing for a living, I was just wondering whether Disney
has anyone comb their movies for such "mistakes" before they set their
black and white drawings to color/computer and at what stage in the
development process this might occur (storyboard,later as I have just
described, near-finished product?).  Anyone know?

Just "professional" curiosity :^)!

/Cath
From: epatter@willamette.edu (Eric Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: WDW Packages question
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:51:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.BxxGI2.I51
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

Just curious to hear reactions to those of you who have purchased any of
Disney's WDW Resort packages.  Was the package deal worthwhile?  In the
higher-level packages (the ones that include meals), how restricted were you
in choosing restraurants?

I graduate from college next May, and my younger sister graduates from HS in
June, so my grandparents are considering taking us to WDW as a gift-trip. 
They are looking at the package deals, but I want to make sure it's the best
use of their money.

Thanks!

-eric
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From: rcpilz@newsance.att.com (Robert C. Pilz;660-4694;TTCOM03)
Subject: Alladin Stuff
Organization: AT&T IMS, Maitland FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:49:01 GMT

I just saw a bunch of the new T-shirts, dolls and stuffed toys based
on the new Disney feature "Alladin". It is all very interesting, and will
make even mire sense when I view the production. After looking at all
of this I said to my wife, do you think they will come out with an
"Alladin" thermos and lunch box? (She did not get the humor of it.)
Seriously, would there be a legal problem from the confusion between
the trademark for the thermos and lunch box and for a set based on the
Disney feature? Perhaps this could be solved if Disney contracts the
Alladin company to do the set. Then it would actually be an Alladin
"Alladin" lunch box!
R. C. Pilz
AT&T IMS SDO
Maitland, FL
attmail!rcpilz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: TLM found in Hamden, CT(interesting)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:10:33 EST

In article <1edrudINNn06@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
fmaurais@noether.WPI.EDU (Francis Maurais) writes:
 
>
>
>My girlfriend (and I) have been looking for TLM in VHS for a while now, and I
>took the advice of someone on the net (I couldn't find the back-article), and
>told my girlfriend to try Tommy K's in Hamden, CT (she lives nearby).
>
>When she first asked the salesperson, he told her they were out ("They don't make
>them anymore.")  THEN, she mentioned that she had heard about Tommy K's having
>TLM over the INTERNET, via rec.arts.disney, and, lo and behold,
>
>"Oh, yeah.  I guess I do have a few copies left!"  (it gets better...)
>
>My girlfriend then asks for the price, for which the reply "$69.99" came back!!!
>This reminds me somewhat of Cabbage Patch Dolls, which my girlfriend still has
>four of. :)
>
>My girlfriend left, slightly disappointed, and without TLM. :(
>(So, I guess if you're willing to pay, you're in luck at Tommy K's!)
>						-rhyme unintended :)
>-------------------------------------
 
   I'm the one who originally put the post about the TLM CAV LD.  I'm damned
sure that the price of the disk was NOT $70.00 when I saw it there almost a
month ago.
   I find that behavior disgusting, but understandable.  Everyone is
huckstering for a buck, and I guess Tommy K's is no exception.
    For anyone who remembers the original post, I took a very cold attitude,
offering very little personal help, partly because I was busy, but also because
I thought there may be floods of requests.  Appearently, if there were enough
requests so that Tommy K's gouged the prices, then I was right.
    I hate being so cynical, but most of the time, sadly enough, it is the only
way to deal with the world.
 
************************************************************************
   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
    JUNSOK YANG (YANJUNA@YALEVM.YCC.EDU)
 
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From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Walt Disney Story
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:11:50 GMT

Ed.Sterrett@f157.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Sterrett) writes:

>  The Walt Disney Story at WDW is indeed permanently closed, due to 
>budgetary considerations.  Attendance at the attraction had fallen to 
>an average of 25-30 people per show during the summer. (This is an 
>average, and includes shows where fewer than 5 attended)
> 
>  Certainly, a huge (h-u-g-e) expression of interest in the attraction 
>could result in re-opening it, but based on the dismal attendance over 
>the busy summer period (less than 1% of park visitors attended) it 
>doesn't seem likely.  The artifacts are being prepared for shipment 
>back to the Disney family, at their request.

It still bugs me that they closed it. When I was there, yes, very few
people were there but they seemed to have a keen interest.

It seemed (to me) important to keep it going, so that those who
were interested in Walt and the good display of artifacts could see them
if they wanted to.

In fact one of the things I *liked* about it was that few people
_bothered_ to see it (and the animation tour too!) and it was nice to
get away from the throngs of people and check out something special.

That's progress, folks.


Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Well the escape plan is under way... Seattle
RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | is the destination. I have food, maps, clothing,
Work: --- Classified --- | and a compass. The X Committee has approved it,
      (to be announced)  | all I have to do is scale the compound wall.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN!!!!! WoW!
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <92325.085051ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Ethan writes "Still, you can discuss how well the moview was done ... My
>problem with Aladdin is that it didn't seem to know what it wanted to be:
>Comedy, Romance, Adventure, Action."
>
>I disagree.  I think Aladdin is primarily a comic adventure film.  The romance
>provides some of the motivation, but is not central to the film.  I think
>anyone who expects a romance like B&TB will be disappointed.

	I think this is a big thing -- for those who haven't yet
seen it, when you do go, try to force yourself to expect an
adventure and make the romance side a second thing.

	BTW, they still do try to end it with that traditional
romance ending. That didn't help the comedy adventure image. 8)
	-- Ethan


"I have never seen one of these in tact before... This is the
famous dead-sea tupperware"

	-- Robin Williams
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: kriesel@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Julie R Kriesel)
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.163544.25758@maths.tcd.ie> afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) writes:
>In <Qf0l_q_00awORSalB=@andrew.cmu.edu> by24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin S. Yu) writes:
>
>>Can someone send me the original Be Our Guest parady?  Thanks
>
>>Ben Savageley
>
>And me, please.
>
>Andrew.

Please add me to the list too...I missed the original, but from all the
flaming going on, it must have been something.

Julie
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Hidden Mickeys at Disneyland?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:18:57 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

O.K. I've seen the list of Hidden Mickeys at Walt Disney World (Epcot), but
how about Disneyland or Tokoyo DisneyLand or even EuroDisneyLand?

I can't believe that the Disney Company would exclusively hide these at WDW
alone.

Does anyone have a list of these?  It would be cool to make a comprehensive
list and add it to the FAQ.

Thanx

-Rich

o/~ "A dream is a wish your heart makes..." o/~-Cinderella

.
From: MA.LCD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jody Sumrall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Can anyone see this?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:01:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Hello all,

I hope this question isn't too dumb, but here goes:

I have recently posted a list of Hidden Mickeys to r.a.d and yet it
seems as though no one has seen it. The obvious question therefore
is: can anyone see this post?

Please send me e-mail and let me know.

Thanks in advance.


Jody


P.S. If anyone can see this, and would like the Hidden Mickeys list,
send e-mail and I'll send it back to you.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: Re: Closed attractions - December?????????
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:24:13 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.231421.10934@u.washington.edu>, mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "Apple Lady" Lockner) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.195228.4988@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
|> >In article <1eekkcINNn3s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
|> >(Russell I. Dyreng) writes:
|> >>
|> >>told me that the only attractions scheduled to be down during
|> >>that time are....(drumroll please)..... The Walt Disney Story
|> >>and Mission to Mars.
|> >
|> >Hmmm, just 2 weeks ago they also told me that Carousel (sp?)
|> >of Progress would also be shut down.
|> >
|> IS THIS A JOKE?????
|> 
|> I HOPE so.
|> 
|> Why is it people forget that the Carousel of Progress died circa 1976
|> (to be replaced by "America Sings [Sang]" , which also died in 1988)??
|> My roommate, who worked Star Tours, used to complain about the numerous
|> guests who would inquire about the attraction.  It's the only attraction
|> I know of at Disneyland that the public JUST WON'T LET REST IN PEACE.
|> It's odd because NOBODY I know of EVER asks about the "old" Fantasyland
|> (it was rebuilt in 1984- I think) with the Pirate Ship, etc. It's JUST
|> the Carousel of Progress.
|> 
|> I think it's safe to say that the CoP will, in fact, be closed for 
|> Xmas.

If you'd have paid a little attention, you'd have seen that the request
was for closed attractions at WDW, not DL. And Carousel of Progress is
still alive and kicking at WDW (although not for much longer from what 
I hear).

|> 
|> -Denise
|> ********
|> "If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
|> 
|> "Get with the beat, Baggy!!" -Baloo

Russ

                                                                           
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From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Purchased Disney Stock. Now What?
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:50:12 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <75095@hydra.gatech.EDU> jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin) writes:

>My husband finally bought the Disney stock he had promised me as a 
>wedding gift (got married Oct. 3). I haven't yet received the certificate
>in the mail, but I have a few questions. Will I automatically be sent
>info about stock holders' benefits? Will I automatically be sent a 
>Magic Kingdom card? Or do I need to call Disney to get this stuff (I
>understand that I can't use the discounts until next year). 

>Thanks,
>Jill

Congratulations!

I just bought a block myself.  Was going to buy 1 share for the 
stockholder benefits, and decided to just go for the whole block.

**Now everybody go out and watch Aladden and make me some money**  :^)


Without change,                         *David Barber*
   nothing can ever get better.            @}-->----

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From: carmody@dso012.sch.ge.com (Scott Carmody)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Which Laserdisc should I get?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:38:25 GMT
Organization: GE Power Generation

In article <137ewwcp511@tweekco.uucp> 6-5058%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Yossarian #6 @5058) writes:
>
>Speaking of discs, is a letterboxed edition of "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"
>ever going to come out here?  There's a Japanese version which looks great, but
>I don't care for the subtitles....
>

Rumor is some time next year.  Same for Mary Poppins.

-- 
Scott Carmody
GE Power Generation
carmody@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
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