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From: lulu@troi.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:28:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Aug13.160545.20055@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  [enlightening stories deleted]
>
>  White women.  Now all we need is for them to write it up in
>  Cosmopolitan, Mademoiselle, and Glamour to let in the rest of
>  the white women in on this secret that a few of my friends have
>  already discovered and you'll hear no more whining about AF/CM dating.

Yes, Clare.  Would you do that for us AAM?  Thanks, we'd
really appreciate it! :)

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another bewildered college undergraduate.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasian Classification
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:32:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eY7pQ200Vpd8A=6YE
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


States like Pennsylvania still require one to state the race on a
marriage license.  I don't see what interest the government has in
knowing these things. Moreover, the only classifications are white,
yellow, red and black -- which is quite incomplete. Its a great time
to learn that one is in a society in which race matters so much, and
yet claims to be non-racist.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: What is tacky today
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:36:33 GMT

In article <16udi9INNqj6@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:
>I just read the following piece in the San Francisco
>chronicle (August 18). It is from a feature called
>"question man" in which a reporter asks various questions
>at different places around town. Today's question:
>
>              "WHAT IS TACKY TODAY"
>
>(answers regarding people begging, the Catholic church,
>parents hitting kids, and department stores deleted)
>
>    "Miya Dodd, 15, student, Tulsa: (answers)
>     Having so many Orientals in the continental U.S.A. 
>     Coming to S.F. I expected to see surfers and here are all 
>     these Orientals. I'm part Japanese. I'm used to being the
>     one who is different! Seeing so many in the U.S.A. is
>     getting on my nerves."
>
	[Questions about exoticness of Asian Americans in Midwest deleted.]
>
>Jack Dahlgren
>jwd@ced.berkeley.edu

Wow.  Can you say "Racial Anorexia"?  I knew you could.
(Aside:  In some ways B.D. Wong's "racial anorexia" is
a vulgarism, like "workaholic".  It has nicer ring than
"ethinc self-hatred" though.)
(Aside 2:  From the name and response, one might guess that
Miya is the product of a WM/AF marriage (WM=white male, are you
happy Ron?).  Do you suppose this particular family raised her
with a strong sense of (multi-)ethnic identity?)
(Aside 3:  When she turns 18, do you think it'd be more likely
that she'd go to Cal, discover the true self-esteem and self-identity
that has been denied her by a racist society, and become a raving
Asian-American activist, or will she marry into the Aryan Nation to
avoid having to deal with "all these Orientals," who are so tacky?)
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: College Dating Question and more...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.204758.4856@u.washington.edu> maxim@milton.u.washington.edu (John Martin) writes:
>
>Okay I am back for some more punishment...
>
>Preamble:
>
>In my previous post (White Guys...) I said I read this group
>to get a laugh.  I apologize for that remark.  It came across

	OK, you've proven yourself to be a Decent Guy (tm).
	Someone give him an ID card...

	[Question about shchen and yazhao deleted.]
	[Question about establishing net.credentials deleted.]
>
>Some of my Vietnamese friends tell me that the guys in the Vietnamese
>families are discouraged from having girlfriends until they have
>completed their college education, whereas the vietnamese daughters,
>while not encouraged to have boyfriends, are not discouraged.  
> Is this true? And if so is it practiced in other asian cultures?
>

Hmm... Reminds me of my Dad saying that, back in the '50s, when
he first came to the US, the goals for the foreign students back
then was to get a PhD, get permanent resident status, and then
get married.  In that order.

Of course, given the circumstances of the time, that was probably
a useful survival strategy.  Some of that vestigial immigrant-survival
instinct probably gets carried over onto the kids.

On the other hand, this is soc.culture.asian.*american*, so these
issues probably aren't particularly relevant here.

					--Alan Hu
>
>p. s.  Jim- I do have an obnoxious superior attitude that was impressed
>        on me during my youth, but I am not racist or sexist, just
>        generally superior.
>        
>-john

	[Horrendously lengthy signature deleted.]
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, Andy's lack of it.
Keywords: Just go punch him out, JJ.
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <23472@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy) writes:
>In article <16p08fINNocr@agate.berkeley.edu> nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram) writes:
>And this is unacceptable, period:
>>(some words deleted to the effect I should do this)
>>Andy Shaw should be held personally accountable for his lies--with a 
>>good beating. A baseball bat or hammer to the forehead can do wonders 
>>to clear up his thinking. It's also harder to tell lies when one's 
>>nose and jaw are broken.
>NO!
>This is completely unacceptable in any society.  

	Hear, hear.

	I think we can agree on this...




-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug14.131821.27162@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu) writes:
|>From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
|>Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
|>Date: 14 Aug 92 13:18:21 GMT
|>
|>In article <BsxwvB.5w2@rice.edu> frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang)
writes:
|>>In article <1992Aug13.160545.20055@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu) writes:
|>>>  Well I think it's about time we AAFs did a little whining of our own.
[Stuff Deleted]
|>  The low success rate is for AsAm men (2nd generation +), meaning
|>  those that were born in U.S.A.  I have been asked out by Asian
|>  men born overseas.  What I'm trying to say is that I've seen
|>  a decided bias of AsAm (2nd generation + ) men to favor white
|>  women asking them out.

Interesting observations. I would say that many Asian men born overseas
are much more confident in who and what they are in society; therefore,
they have the gumption to ask an AAF out. I know that a lot of my troubles
stem from the fact that I have little or no identity. As to why AAM would
more likely accept an offer from a white woman than an AAF, I'll venture a
guess. I don't feel as comfortable pouring out my transgressions to AAFs
than to white women; many times AAFs are significantly more conservative
than white women. Sometimes the AAF views the relationship as a possible 
marriage, something that I would venture to guess that most 18-22 year old
males shy away from. My experiences with dating AAFs has been less than 
stellar, in fact downright crappy; therefore, I tend not to associate with
them a whole lot. 

My experiences have been that AAFs who are relatively progressive, tend to
dig white guys. The ones who are not, are not particularly appealing.

Ron
Television: The Drug Of A Nation

BTW, Thanks Clare for not using CF or CM.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Subject: Immigrant newsgroup for Asians, Hispanics, etc.?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:24:41 GMT

Well are there?
Thanks.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Internment camp: Minidoka, INFO NEEDED
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:38:38 PDT

In article <37969@unix.SRI.COM>, on 19 Aug 92 17:47:16 GMT,
shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu) writes:

>
>I'm planning a trip from San Francisco to the Sawtooth National
>Rec. Area in Idaho. Along the way, we will pass close to the
>town of Minidoka, which was near one of the internment camps.
>I was wondering if there's a memorial or museum established at the
>old site that I could visit.
>
>
>Thanks, 
>DAN
>shimizu@unix.sri.com
>
Dan--

I doubt that a museum was built at the site of the former Minidoka
concentration camp.  However, I'm pretty sure that all the camp sites
now have some sort of monument/memorial.  You'll probably have to
look close and carefully to find it, though!

Gann Matsuda
Coordinator
50th Anniversary of Japanese American Internment Project
UCLA Asian American Studies Center
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Jap and jap wanna-be (Re: Kill Files 'n Stuff)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:02:36 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Surprise and surprise.  I was doing back search for things I may have posted
recently and here I find dirty little Dwighty Joe who is in my global kill
file and this little D.Joe rumor mongering that I called him jap as in racial
slur.

In article <1992Aug18.184613.1235@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> ...
>I first "met" Mr. Shin about 3 years ago on s.c.korean.  At the time,
>I pointed out that
> ...
>Shortly thereafter, Mr. Shin called me a "Jap" and a "Jap wanna-be".
> ...
>Anyhow, after Mr. Shin appeared again, he called me a "Jap" and
>a "Jap wanna-be", again.

I am accused of, by D.Joe, using racial slur jap against him in two separate 
occasions.  I stand to defend my ass from this sneak net dirt flinging 
which I wasn't aware of because of my kill file.

Let it be clear that in no occasion I used any racial slur to any netter.

Dwighty Joe, 3 years ago put us around 1989.  Why don't you D.Joe produce 
this hypothetical article or whatever where I supposedly called you D.Joe
a jap and a jap wanna-be?  I happened to save some of articles I put in 
the net so if you D.Joe reminds of time frame (say, 1st half or 2nd half 
of 1989 or something like that), I might be able to reproduce certain 
articles which might help us to sort out who's talking of what.

And, when was 2nd occasion I used racial slur jap?  D.Joe, don't even think
of making up a fictitious post to make your case.  Produce some evidence or
fuck off!  You D.Joe doesn't even deserve any attention of demanding any
apology!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Who is Laly Thao??? (was Re: Why do minority groups whine?)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:15:00 GMT

In article <23434@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (I'm just disgusted today) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.162351.18138@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:

[my previous driveling deleted]

>
>Oh bletch.  Look, I don't know why Laly Thao comes in with a
>name of "Anthony Murtagh" (but you should look into this
>contradiction posthaste), what you are, or who you are,
>BUT...  
>

-why laly thao comes in with "anthony murtagh"
     i'm a co-op (intern) at bnr and we (co-ops) can't "own" our unix
     accounts as opposed to the regular staff who do "own" their 
     accounts in which case you would see their id in addition to 
     their real name.

-what are you
     i'm a co-op  :-)

-who are you
     that was established in question one, but just to make sure...
     my name is laly thao and anthony murtagh is my manager.

>
>I Don't Much Care!
>

that's ok.

>Do you think THIS is going to make the newsgroup a more
>friendly place?  Really?  Do you?  Are you SURE?
>

answer to each question above follows:

-frankly, no.  THIS is not going to make the newsgroup a more
 friendly place although there are some friendly people here :-)
 mostly everyone here seems hell-bent on their opinions, so i
 will not make futile attempts to change the opinions they hold.
 my post came as a verbalization of my thoughts--which by the 
 way seems to be a common method for posting :-)

-yes, really

-sometimes, i do; sometimes i don't

-yes, i'm sure

>Why don't you and Shaw, and maybe Pak, go off and start your
>own newsgroup?  I'll put asbestos around that disc drive, and
>even sound isolate it.

hmmm...i'm still trying to figure out why you grouped shaw, pak,
and me together--other than all 3 of us being asians and maybe
we could start a 3 man volleyball team.  :-)  jim for one didn't
seem to agree with my post.

oh, regarding your ongoing debate with shaw about your nickname,
signing your posts with "jj" is fine, but then you didn't/don't need
my approval or support for that to begin with  :-)

as for the asbestos covering, i really don't know why you would 
choose to do that.

laly thao  <-----  that's really me, too ;-)

p.s.  so, is this post going to make scaa a more friendly place?????
      refer to previous answers.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.204801.10225@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.160506.2844@island.COM> fester@etorofu.island.COM () writes:
>>
>>If you are defining "elite" as above, then no, it is not easier. As I said, 
>>those sorts want to know "your people" and quite frankly don't care how 
>>close you are; you either are in or out.
>>
>>If you don't understand THAT, then you don't understand "power elite" you 
>>decry.

>  But does POWER ELITE == WHITE ???  That's what JJ is trying to
>  say that he's no more white than we are, solely because he's
>  not in the power elite.  A white overseer is certainly not
>  in the power elite, but because of his skin color he carries
>  the whip, and he is still white.

Uh, I am white. I've had black, Asian, and female bosses in both academic and
technical areas. None of them carried whips (neither did any of my white
bosses)

Mike
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From: chai@cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Hi, I'm back
Summary: Just got back on usenet
Keywords: introduction
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:39:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: evergree.chai.714353948
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

Hi, all! I'm back... wonder how many people here still remember me from
so long ago? I used to be 665instr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, but I am now
just about to start on the Ph.D. program at UIUC.

Ian
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.motss
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.023706.21423@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

>>Oh boy someone has finally managed to make a racist agenda sound
>>PC!

PC was always racist from the start.  I'm surprised you had not noticed.

>Not "PC". Pompous, verbose, and dumb.

It is redundant to refer to PC comments as "pompous, verbose, and dumb".

>PC doesn't mean anything anymore.

That's news to me!  It still means just what it used to, "politically correct".
Would you care to explain what you mean by your comment?  I take it as 
an assertion made in order to avoid discussing a subject on which you cannot
defend your views.  

--Brian
From: rhlu@ux5.lbl.gov (richard lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Call For New FAQ
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:35:32 GMT
Reply-To: rhlu@ux5.lbl.gov (richard lu)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory



Clare sez:  
>>Scene 8:
> 1)  The assertive,professional and over-30 AAF who has read all
> the books on "how to get a man", will professionally and crisply
> announce, "You know, I find you quite interesting, why don't
> we get together for dinner some time?  Are you free Friday,
> good, let me make a note of that on my HP personal date-tracker."

to which Robert replies:

>Never happen in a million years.


Au contraire, my friend!  My friend Cyndi fits Clare's description 
PERFECTLY !  I was totally amazed, when I got to Scene 8, at the 
accuracy of it all.

But life is funny (hilarious, in this case) -->  Cyndi's living with
her CM boyfriend (oops- sorry for the redundancy)

-rich  q:)
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:41:33 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
>In article <BsxwvB.5w2@rice.edu> frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:
>>
>>Clare, although I agree with you, I don't think the bias is as
>>pronounced as your experiences may suggest.
>>
  If we narrow it to (2nd generation +) AsAm men, then I think so.
  And also to the specific action:  of the men  being asked out
  by the women.  I don't disagree that many AsAm men do date
  AsAm women, but I'll bet close to 100% happened with the
  men asking out the women.  I'm just saying that there is
  a pronounced bias against AsAm women asking out AsAm men.
  But that this bias is not against the fact of being asked
  out, since the experiences of my white female friends shows
  that it works for them, but that of specifically being asked
  out by an AsAm woman.  None of my AsAm female friends have
  reported positive results from this approach.  In fact the
  only approach that worked was to be "set-up" by mutual friends.
  However most of my AsAm friends have good success asking out
  white men, or dropping hints and getting dates (which is almost
  asking out).

My mother is 4th generation ABC, my father is 4th generation AB Danish.
AF's have a 100% success rate with me - CF's 0%.  It must have been
my European half which said yes to the AF's :).  I did not turn down
the CF's just because they are white.  I just was not interested in
them.

I was interested in the AF's quite some time before they approached me
but I am so shy.  They probably got tired of waiting for me to make
the first move and made first move themselves.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:26:38 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Aug18.225656.8790@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
>On a similar thread . . . there's a new commercial out (or maybe not so
>new, since I don't watch much TV) that pitches a lightweight camcorder with
>a nth-generation Asian couple and their little girl who's just learning
>to walk.

It's a milk commerical, of all things.  There was an earlier milk commercial
with an Asian woman (I believe the same actress) as a substitute teacher.

The nice thing about these commericals is that any race could have been
cast in these roles without change, and that the situations are so, well,
American.  ("Honey, get the camera!  Daddy's little girl is walking!")

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:14:19 GMT

In article 23461@alice.att.com, jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>|
>|In your dreams.
>|
>|>  As for us, they'd spot us a mile
>|>  away and ask us for our passports or green cards.
>|Now, that's just as true, yes.  No arguments there.
>|
>|So, you have a point.  A very, very minor point of
>|nearly diminishing practical effect, I think, but
>|a true point.
>|
>|I repeat, *in*practice*, I'm no more "white" than
>|Andy, Clare, Jim, Gary, or probably Ed Hall, for
>|that matter. Ed- You  old money, Guy? :-)
>|-- 
>| Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
>|   vs       *by USENET and like facilities granted.      Said permission is
>| Clinton  --    *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
>| Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.

JJ, the real point is this, when I walk into an interview, or a bank loan
interview, I walk in with baggage because of the way I look.  Given that your 
average white Joe Blow has the good sense to dress for the occasion, he can
walk into that situation with no baggage, no preconceived notions on 
the part of the interviewer.  But because I am a minority, I walk in either
suffering from the negative image my interviewer has about asians, or I 
suffer from overinflated expectations of any positive images my interviewer
has about asians.  I can never walk into that kind of situation being neutral 
like the white people in this country.  I either have to build myself up or
decrease the unreasonable expectations.  Now granted, the interviewer with
the high expectations may be better for me in the short run, but inflated 
expectations can be very detrimental in the long run.

I know for a fact that many symphonies conduct auditions of musicians
blindly, i.e. they all sit behind a curtain and play, the decision is based 
on only their abilities.  It would be nice if all interviews can be conducted 
blindly, so that the positive qualities of all involved can stand out without 
any coloring of the interviewer's judgement, but that is impossible.  So 
that is the burden that I have to live with, and you don't.  Whatever happens
after you open your mouth is another situation altogether.



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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What do E. Hall, M. Kamprath, J. Waldrop, and M. Fester have in common?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:23:28 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: The RAND Corporation

Gosh Andy.  You finally noticed our little conspiracy.  [<-- sarcastic
							     remark    ]

You're going to have a tough life if you see race as an issue when it
isn't one, rather than saving your efforts for when it is.

Get some perspective, OK?

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org