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From: "Christoph Luebbe" <UJ4J@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Looking for BBS Software for SUN SPARC Station
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:42:14 GMT

Hi
We are a group of persons working on the same project in different
places. Therefore I got an account on a SUN SPARC station to provide
information interchange. Some members of our group have no access to
INTERNET. For these people we installed a modem to login via phone-
line on the SUN SPARC Station. The problem is that if you do that you
will see the UNIX prompt. My question: is there a chance to install
something like a mini BBS or a mailbox that welcomes the user and
provide the up- and download to inerchange information of all kind.
I hope someone can help us
Thanks in advance Christoph Luebbe
                  UJ4j@DKAUNI2.BITNET   or
                  UJ4J@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.dbp.de
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: ANSI Termcap wanted ...
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:15:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.83297
Reply-To: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Organization: Doug's House of Disco
Originator: dougmc@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu

The Subject: line pretty much states it ... basically, I like vt100 emulation,
but I don't like how it limits me to certain terminal programs.

I'm wondering if I can go ahead and use ANSI mode on my terminal program, and
have a termcap entry for it.  That way, I can set underlined text to one 
color, inverse to another, bold to another etc ... If I use vtxxx, I'm
basically held hostage by the program's emulation -- many programs don't 
show underlining in a different color, etc.

Of course, I'm not quite sure how to implement this termcap entry either (just
use a setenv TERMCAP ..., right?) so some quick instructions on how to do that
would also be appreciated.

Thanks ... 
   Doug



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:40:46 GMT

>>pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:
>>
>>>	Before you try to convince people of unix's flaws, I suggest you
>>>first make sure you have a clue what you're talking about.
>>
>>Where can I get toll-free support for Linux?
>
>	You can't. You can't get it for anything Microsoft sells either.
>But that's not even the point. You listed a dozen or so things Unix "needs",
>about half of which were complete and total bullshit. "Unix needs a more
>powerful command-line" is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on
>Usenet.

First thing: You are responding to the wrong person.

Second thing: I said that an improved Unix needs a powerful command line
              to go with a powerful GUI.

I was trying to assuage the fears of those that believe that easy-to-use ==
inflexible GUI.

And you definately get the award for the rudest person I've seen on Usenet.
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:34:55 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>Or, dir could come aliased as part of standard unix!

>Poppycock.  First, "standard Unix" does not have "aliases."  Aliases
>are shell features.  Second, "standard Unix" does not exist, as anyone
>who has worked on even a modicum of different Unix platforms will tell
>you in a moment.

That's a bad thing for UNIX. So that makes 2-1 for UNIX.

>>impact in replacing unix.  DOS is history.  DOS is the past.  Wake up to
>>your real competitors: OS/2,

>Oh.  Sorry.  Cough.  So, uh, what's the limit on filename length under
>OS/2?

255 characters

>>Windows,

>Windows isn't an operating system.  This is like comparing your PC to
>Super Mario Brothers.

Explain that to a user, he couldn't care less.

>>Real operating systems, from a user's point of view, come with a gui.
>Snort.  (Besides, X is practically standard.)

X is not a user interface. X is a windowing system. Besides several different
different window managers (like twm, gwm, olwm, mwm, etc.), only Motif and
OPEN LOOK deserve the name user interface.

>>Real operating systems will work in 8MB of Ram.
>Doesn't about every PC Unix work in 4MB?

No, I've used SCO ODT on a fast 6M machine and the only thing it did was
swapping like hell.

>  I've heard of Linux
>operating in 2MB, and I believe Minix will work in 1.  You can't say
>ANY of that about your sacred cow, er, NT.

You can't run Linux, X and a GUI in 2M RAM. Compare apples to apples.

>>Real operating systems can be bought in stores.
>Coherent, SCO, Minix.  But "bought?"  Who said "bought?"  I didn't buy
>my operating system.

I didn't too... :-) But dumb users don't FTP or download from a BBS, they buy
their software in stores because it gives them a warm cozy feeling that they
spend a lot of bucks on software.

>Or an MS-DOS executable into OS/2 2.0?

That's one of the purposes of OS/2: DOS compatibility. There are people who
run OS/2 as a multi-tasker to multitask their DOS BBS program for instance.
Or as a DOS developing system so they don't have to quit Turbo Pascal to test
a large program. You can laugh, but these kind of people really exist.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: recursive renaming down directory tree.  How?
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 13:32:10 GMT


>	I have a bunch of files with a .cc suffix and I want to change
> the suffix to .C.   Is there any clever way of doing it rather than
> manually change every one of them?  I kind of know 'find' will help
> do the trick though.

Hmmm... I wonder whatever you could be doing :-) 

There is probably a far more elegant way in perl or awk, but the
way I did it was to do a little command line script:

$ ls *.cc | while read oldname
> do
> basename=`echo $oldname | cut -d'.' -f1`
> mv $oldname $basename.C
> done

This will convert a directory full of old source files. To do many 
directories I prefer the following little recursive script to find:

$1  #execute the 1st argument, which could be the name of a script
for i in *
do
if test -d $i
then
cd $i
/users/agc/grimoire/walk $1   # this is me!!!
cd ..
fi
done

   Hope this helps, Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practised, requires years
of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy 
behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Simply 
bearing in mind what it is one needs to know.

   George Spencer-Brown, Laws of Form
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Nov9.191810.22019@slate.mines.colorado.edu> (comp.unix.questions), mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah) writes:
> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
> : [discussion about people should have CD-ROMs deleted]
> 
> : BUT THEY HAVEN'T.  SO WHO CARES!  Sure the world would be a better place
> : if everyone had CD-ROMs.  But if they *DON'T* then selling an OS only
> : on CD-ROM is sorta silly, isn't it!
> 
> Well, that's a weak argument. Just as you wouldn't expect the Grolier
> Encyclopaedia to ship on floppies, one shouldn't expect that all versions
> of Unix are available on floppies. It may not be practical. To give
> you an example, (if I remember correctly) the complete info-explorer
> manual pages for the IBM RS/6000 & the AIX operating system _alone_ is 
> over 200 megabytes, and is shipped on CD-ROMs. And we haven't touched the
> operating system code. Who wants *that* on floppies ?
> 

Sun now ships all of their servers with CD-ROM standard. You can't
buy the OS on anything other than CD-ROM. 

Sun has also put their full documentation on CD-ROM--it's called Answerbook.
It includes Postscript versions of all of the standard man pages,
plus the full paper documentation set (normally 8 or so volumes weighing
in at 80 or so pounds!). I also have hardware and configuration manuals
for most of the desktop systems. It completely fills a 600 meg CD.

All of these things are on-line, fully-indexed, cross-referenced and
hypertext-linked, and just a command away. Just today, I was looking 
for info on how the sticky bit affects directories. I just fired up
the searcher and typed in 'sticky'. I had 3 hits, and found my answer
in just a couple of seconds. I could have never done this with paper
documentation.

Unix is a bit cryptic, and the sheer volume of documentation is overwhelming
at times. Having it all shrunk down to a fully indexed CD where I
have a prayer of finding what I want makes things a lot easier!

CD-ROMs could be the saviour of UNIX.....

Jeff

--
Jeff's Oasis at Home.                   Jeff can also be reached at work at:
                                                        jwasilko@airage.com
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: chupchup@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Robert Earl)
Subject: Re: Standard AND piped input
Organization: (EVIL!)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:46:35 GMT

jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov (Jethro H. Greene) writes:

| Followup-To: jhgreen@c.sandia.gov

This is a nasty followup header; "Followup-To" should either be a
newsgroup name or the word "poster" for mail replies.  My news
software wanted to post this to a newsgroup called
"jhgreen@c.sandia.gov"...

| When one pipes to something, the the output of the first becomes the input
| of the second.  What would you do if you wanted the output of the first to
| be only be the beginning of the input for the second.  

| 	$ ls | thing_that_I_am_looking_for > output_file
|         bob is my dog
| 	^D
| 	$ cat output_file
|     	file1
| 	file2
| 	bob is my dog
| 	$

Try this:

$ (ls; cat) > output_file

In other words, start a subshell that runs *both* "ls" and "cat", and
redirect the whole shebang to "output_file".

-- 
robert earl          |
rearl@ucsd.edu       | "I got a bottle of tequila, baby, who needs friends?"
rearl@piggy.ucsb.edu |   --Johnette Napolitano, Concrete Blonde
From: tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re:
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:23:39 GMT
Reply-To: tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes)



We are experiencing technical difficulties trying to get a Sun workstation
to recognize the Page-Up and Page-Down keys of a PC keyboard. We are telneted
in via TCP/IP using a TERM setting of vt220 and we also have a Wyse-370 
terminal connected as the console with a setting TERM setting of vt220.

We have even tried to map the keys through vi ... to no avail.
The terminfo file has no discernable entries for Page-Up and Page-Down for
TERM of vt220.

Anyone run into this problem or have any suggestions?
Please respond to tesco@bumetb.bu.edu

thanks...

From: rags@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com (Balakrishna Raghunath)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:36:59 GMT
Subject: Re: AWK
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions

Try MKS awk. MKS (mortis kern systems?) have a whole bunch of unix 
utilities for DOS. Can't say i have used the DOS awk version 
extensively.

Do not have their address. They advertise a lot in PC programmer
mags/catalogs of programmer's shop and that sort...

rags
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp)
Subject: Re: net.views - mainframe programmers in an open systems world
Keywords: n
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:18 GMT

osycs@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Craig Spannring) writes:

>Does this strike anyone else as the dumbest question they've asked
>yet?  I can hardly wait for next month's question, "Do mainframe 
>printers have a place in open environments?"

While I expect you meant this as a joke, we are running a Xerox product
called Soliel with our "mainframe" Xerox 4090 printer that uses a Sun Sparc
to take ASCII and PostScript jobs from our TCP/IP network and UNIX hosts
that replaced the mainframe and print them (with more than a few problems
I will admit) on the 4090 so this isn't an unreasonable question ...

Peter Van Epp / Operations and Technical Support 
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada
From: john.fix@hardgood.com (John Fix) 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: REQUEST LINUX INFO-SHEET
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Hardgoods East BBS - Eastchester, NY (914) 961-8749
Reply-To: john.fix@hardgood.com (John Fix) 

to: axi0349@ultb.rit.edu





Thanks!

                                  -= John =-
          
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares)
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:11:54 GMT

peter@global.hacktic.nl writes:
>pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:
>
>>	Before you try to convince people of unix's flaws, I suggest you
>>first make sure you have a clue what you're talking about.
>
>Where can I get toll-free support for Linux?

	You can't. You can't get it for anything Microsoft sells either.
But that's not even the point. You listed a dozen or so things Unix "needs",
about half of which were complete and total bullshit. "Unix needs a more
powerful command-line" is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on
Usenet.

-Peter

pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares)


Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: harley@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Hahn)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: IS UNIX DEAD?
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:01:48 GMT

This is number 8 in a series of 22 responses to the question:
 
What do you think about the Byte magazine cover that asked:
IS UNIX DEAD?
 
(moderated by Harley Hahn)
 
----------
From: Ken Kress, Glenside, PA * dsinc!phent!kkress
 
I took the cover of Byte as a compliment. Remember when Time (or 
Newsweek) put the question "Is God dead?" on the cover. I think 
both questions are very much in the same spirit. :>)
 
I also thought it was the biggest splash Byte has (ever?) given 
to Unix. 
 
Look at the alternatives:
 
Today: 
        DOS, Windows, OS2, the Mac OS, the Unixes
Someday: 
        Pink, Windows NT
 
DOS and the Mac are arguably on the downside of the curve; if 
Windows weren't so "gee-whizzy" and new, it -- like the Mac -- 
would be fading. 
 
Look at Pink and NT. Both are going for a microkernel. Pink is 
even rumored to be looking at Mach. Both want to be the 
foundation for more than one OS layer. Pink's kernel is intended 
to support the old Mac OS, OS2 and --- AIX ! 
 
NT is going to have some POSIX compliance and at the lower levels 
will be multiuser/multi-processor/multitasking. When it arrives, 
its neatest features will be analyzed by the gurus and we'll see 
some tweaking to SVR4, Solaris, etc. 
 
In the end, I think it will be less a question of "Is Unix Dead" 
and more a question of "Is Everything Unix at Heart." 
 
One final word, if Microsoft can pull off NT from the beginning 
I'll be flabbergasted. More likely it will limp along a few years 
-- before the masses flock to it.
 
==========
 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao)
Subject: Re: Proper way to read/write a struct from/to a socket
Reply-To: subbarao@fc.hp.com
Organization: putchar('I'); for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) putchar('E');
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:11:14 GMT

In article <60p137_@rpi.edu> cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>o read()/write() expect you to read/write a "char *buf"
>o I have a variable "foo" which is of type "struct foo_type"
>o I've been reading/writing "(char *)&foo"
>
>It seems to be working.  Am I just lucky, or is this correct?
>I've never tried reading into a structure like this before...

Sure, it's fine. Think about it. The read() and write() calls transfer
some bytes from where you tell it to start. C stores the elements 
in a struct contiguously in memory, so when you give the address of the struct
as the starting address, then say sizeof struct for the number of bytes to
be sent, and assuming the other end has the same byte-ordering scheme, then
you can read it right into another struct.

	-Kartik
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:29:54 -0500 
From: Nicholas Kramer <nk24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD (long)

Excerpts from netnews.comp.unix.questions: 11-Nov-92 Re: IS UNIX DEAD
(long) by Paul Prescod@napier.uwat 
>>Geez, I can't count how often I saved a version of a file by typing
>>       mv Driver.o Driver.O
>>       mv source.c source.C

 I gotta agree. Even though I'm a Unix person, I kinda like the idea of
OS/2's case preservation but non-case sensitive. Personally, I hate
using the shift key any more than absolutely necessary, and I gotta
admit I haven't found a whole lot of instances of case sensitivity being
useful in file names. (C programming is another story..)

Excerpts from netnews.comp.unix.questions: 9-Nov-92 Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
(long) by Paul Prescod@napier.uwat 
>You get another one...like Norton Desktop, NewWave, PM (for OS/2).

 Unless I'm missing something, that's the "Program manager", not the
window manager. A window manager is something that draws the nifty
little boarders around windows and controls the size of the window. A
program manager is a regular application that launches, you guessed it,
programs. You can change the program launcher, but as best I know, you
can't change the window manager. Norton Desktop for Windows does nothing
to change the way the little buttons and all look, and I don't believe
it can be done.

Excerpts from mail: 11-Nov-92 Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long) by Dave
Cline@uunet.UU.NET 
>>  This is about as trivial as it gets: Complaining because there are two
>> GUIs and not one: Open Look and Motif.
> 
>No, this is a very significant problem for applications, though it isn't
>much of a problem for end-users.  It basically doubles the amount of work
>and cost it takes to develop and maintain an application's user interface.

 That's a good point, I guess. But the same thing holds: there are very
few differences between Open Look and Motif applications, and while it
may not look quite as pretty, I don't think the users will care a whole
lot if some of their programs are Motif and some are Open Look.

 Two other things... The ease of use of OS/2 and Windows NT isn't that
obvious to me. Today at a computer fair I asked an IBM rep how to open
multiple OS/2 command lines. After showing me what looked to be a fairly
complex process, he told me (in kinder terms) that I should have gone
through the tutorial. Now, personally, I thought one of the appeals of
OS/2 was that you didn't HAVE to read the manual.

 NT looks to me like it suffers from all that plague Windows, PLUS it
has the much feared login prompt. The much complained about Program
manager/file manager dichotomy seems to still be there. I dunno, if
"average users" are truly the driving force, NT doesn't seem to offer
the "average user" much of anything over Windows, and so no one will
move to NT.


						Nick
From: yellow@judy.indstate.edu (S. Vemula)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Vi-question
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:02:56 GMT

Hi,
   
     Sometime back, somebody mailed on how to use arrow keys in insert mode
     also, to move around in the document.  I think, it is by mapping the
     arrow keys.  Could somebody mail me as how i have to set up my keys.

     thanks,
     Shank Vemula
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From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.computers,comp.lang.pascal,alt.cobol
Subject: Re: net.views - mainframe programmers in an open systems world
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:39:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Af1h6OS00aw_012msT
	<1992Nov15.192940.10559@ifi.uio.no>
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

frankj@ifi.uio.no (Frank Tore Johansen) writes:
> OK, then.  Has anyone ever researched in how much time is wasted
> reading/posting news compared to what is gained from it?

SBT Accounting Systems of Sausalito, CA did a study which found that
computer 'futzing' in general costs American businesses nearly $100
billion per year
among various findings:
- 25 million personal computer users every year in the US spend 5
billion hours per year fiddling with their computers at work, which is
5.1 hours per week for every pc in the country
- 4 percent of clerical and secretarial labor is taken up with just
trying to get the software to work
- men tend to tinker more than women, by about 19%
- women tend to obtain advice from experts and coworkers about making
the computers work, whereas men tend to get advice from the vendors
themselves
From: Richard.Whittaker@f200.n351.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Internet connectivity?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 04 Nov 92  21:48:34

Hola, All!

I don't know if this is the area to ask this question or not, but I have some 
very specific needs for an Internet connection. I belong to an organization
that would like to get grant funding for an Internet connection, and we have
the necessary papers to get the funding, now all we need is some information. 
Specifically:

We want to fire up a UNIX box running 386BSD, with telnettable and FTPable
access from the outside world. We want this Unix box to be able to talk to a
900Mb DOS box, either by serial link, or by LAN link, to share files that
exist on the DOS box, but not the Unix box. The DOS box is running a three
line dialup BBS at this time, and we'd like the DOS box's filebase to be
accessable to the internet for FTP/Telnet purposes. Also, from the Unix side, 
if it would be possible for someone calling in on a Telnet connection to
access the DOS BBS. If it's possible to get all this WITHOUT a Unix box, then 
that would be great, but something tells me it isn't. The Unix system (if
needed) would also act as a Usenet gateway for the organization in question.

Has anyone done a porposal like this before? Is it possible? What sort of
hardware/software are needed for a 19,200 bps Internet link? Does anyone have 
somewhere I can go for more information? Prices on Hardware/software?

Any help anyone can give me would be appreciated.

                                        Cheers,
                                        Rich W.
                                        (rwhittak@cowichn.uucp)

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: Re: RFCs via FTP
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:03:54 GMT

sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

>I know how to receive the text of Internet RFC's via e-mail, but is there
>an FTP site which holds them?

ftp site: nic.ddn.mil (IP: 192.112.36.5) 
directory: rfc (this one is sooooo obvious) ...