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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kosher gelatin
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:03:41 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Sep30.220046.15034@ucselx.sdsu.edu> maxc0452@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Legene) writes:
>
>  Hi!  I'm a lacto-ovo vegearian.  I was eating some yogurt (that's my
>effort toward political correcness for the year) and noticed that it
>had "kosher gelatin" as one f the ingredients.  Did a horse die just so I could
>eat yogurt?  I really don't like it *that* much!

Horses are not kosher, so it definitely isn't made out of horse.  Kosher laws
do not allow the mixing of meat and milk anyway, so it won't be made out of
any kind of mammal or poultry gelatin.  However, fish is considered 'neutral',
so the gelatin could be made from fish bones.

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
    "organic is close to godliness, but like godliness, can have
     drawbacks like the busload of nuns that were wiped out by a
     run-away truck full of organic produce." - Suzanne McCaffrey
Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:9256 rec.food.cooking:17210 soc.culture.indian:32724
From: prashant@cs.pitt.edu (The Peasant)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.food.cooking,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Inquiry.
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:43:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


Hi People:

I wanted to know if anybody knows for a fact if Masur Dal (it's 
a Red color Lentil, Masur is it's Indian name) is known to be
carcinogenic or causes Gastric problems? 
Furthur if it's sale has been banned in certain parts
of India/World?

I would appreciate some light in this matter.

-Prashanth.

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From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Request for sauce recipes
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:15:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: socrates.1992Oct5.201559.29935
Organization: University of Maryland University College

das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>My staple for lunch is steamed veggies, tofu and rice with some sort of
>sauce sloshed over the whole thing.  I seem to be stuck these days on 
>either teriyaki or curry, and occasionally a Thai-like peanut sauce.  I'm
>getting bored.  Does anyone have any other good recipes for sauces -  
>hopefully quick and easy to make?


A while back I made a good mushroom gravy that went over rice rather
well.  It's pretty simple.  I took a large amount of regular white
mushrooms and cut them up.  I also cut up as many shitake mushrooms as
I could afford (fresh - they cost about $10 a pound), all in small
pieces.  I sauteed them in a little oil (just enough to keep them from
burning until all the moisture came out), since the oil makes the
sauce a little richer.  You can saute with water if you're watching
your fat intake.  After the mushrooms have cooked down, add warm/hot
water, some soy sauce or tamari, and ww flour to thicken it.  You
could probably add spices if you wanted to, or cut up scallions (the
white part only) to flavor it more.  I just let it thicken and cook
until it looked done (about 10-15 minutes total time I would guess),
and served over cooked brown rice.  The shitake's add a really nice
chewy texture to it.

>Thanks,

>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
>    "organic is close to godliness, but like godliness, can have
>     drawbacks like the busload of nuns that were wiped out by a
>     run-away truck full of organic produce." - Suzanne McCaffrey

Tara
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From: young@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:28:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct2.152822.26210
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Oct2.033124.25841@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.215551.22359@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>>In article <BvG8y3.6Ky@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:
>>
>>>Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
>>>a non-profit association of 2,000 doctors
>>
>>	...which is .005% of U.S. physicians...
>>
>
>Are there really 40 million physicians in the US, or are you just making
>this up as you go along?

	Of course, I _did_ correct it as soon as I saw the error...it should
	have been 5%.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: National Veggie Week
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:11:47 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I heard that National Vegetarian Week is Sept 28- Oct 4, is this true,
if so does anyone know of planned events in the Chicago Area???
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: veggie burgers
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:57:39 GMT

amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael) writes:

>A while back we were discussing the subject of tasty
>veggie burgers.  I recently tried a product called
>'Loveburger' and it was the most disgusting thing I 
>have eaten in a good long time.  Ah well.  

I agree whole-heartedly.
 
Tempeh-burgers are trillions of times better.  Taste reminiscent of
chicken fried steak...but not exactly.  Damn fine at any rate.
 
...e








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Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 19:53:00 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U11983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cheeses with rennet
Distribution: usa

Strangely enough, I've found yogurt cartons to declare "enzymes"
(whatever these might be!) on their list of ingredients. While
I make my own yogurt most of the time, I occasionally need a
a small container or two to tide me over. I, too, would like
to know what these "enzymes" might be, their source, etc.

Shyamala
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow)
Subject: what meat substitute can I use?
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:19:40 GMT

I am not a vegetarian but I do like to eat vegetarian dishes for a change
to meat based dishes. I do not like nuts, apart from the occasional almond
flavouring and I just can't stand that tofu junk. 

My question is what can I base my vegetarian cooking on to keep up the
protein levels etc. while at the same time have some tasty and interesting
food?

Steve
steve@unipalm.co.uk

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Keywords: new report
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:09:27 GMT

In article <60774@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
> zedaker@next08wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller) writes:
> >Hello, 
> >	Does anyone have an opinion on the new report on cow's milk by the  
> >Johns Hopkins University, et. al. ( also includes Dr. Spock )?
> 
>      They're finally stating the obvious. Milk is the most unnatural
> food in the human diet. In the wild, no animal drinks milk past infancy,
> and no animal drinks the milk of another animal. There are animals that
> eat plants, animals that eat eggs, and animals that eat meat, but there
> are no animals that drink milk.

Well, I can see how animals in the wild might kill other animals and
eat them or their eggs. I can see animals sneaking eggs on the sly or
through blatant intimidation or just because the eggs are left unprotected.

It's very hard for me to imagine one mammal allowing an animal of a 
different species to suckle!! Maybe drinking milk doesn't occur in the
wild because humans are the only species able to forcibly take the milk
of another animal to drink.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:31:24 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.215551.22359@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>In article <BvG8y3.6Ky@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:
>
>>Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
>>a non-profit association of 2,000 doctors
>
>	...which is .005% of U.S. physicians...
>

Are there really 40 million physicians in the US, or are you just making
this up as you go along?

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:29:16 EDT
From: Bill Miller          <JSG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Worst Recipes (Who writes these cookbooks?)

I've been going through my cookbooks lately, trying to expand my
menus.  Some of the recipes that I've tried have been really, extremely
bad.  I am not a bad cook either and I've followed the recipes almost
exactly.  I was wondering if others have the same problem.

My favorite worst cookbooks:

Vegitarian Times Cookbook (Tofu Stroganoff, Cheese and Walnut Stuffed peppers)
Moosewood Cookbooks by Mollie Katzen -- I've heard reports that other
      contributors have better recipes.

Now granted, they have some good recipes, but how and why do truly uneatable
recipes get through?  Don't they test them?  It makes me want to write my
own book -- but then I'd be too busy testing and perfecting recipes, something
others don't seem to do.   Could Katzen really have tested all the recipes
that are in her 5 or so books, come on really?

I think that disappointing recipe books are the hardest part of becoming
a vegitarian.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Detoxification
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.063829.13844@abo.fi> abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>This too comes from Michael Traub, and may have originated from
>Ferrell Wheeler, like some other postings have.

Traub is like a vampire who just won't die.  Pity.  He won't take
responsibility for the nonsense and disinformation in most of his articles
so he has a flack repost them for him.

>Every  other  popular  health  book  these  days  seems to contain the word
>"detoxification".  We  are  urged  to  change  our  diet, fast or purge our
>systems to facilitate internal "cleansing".

You mean just about every other quack book.

>In  fact,  recent  scientific  research  suggests that many old ideas about
>the  relationship  between nutrition, the digestive system and disease, may
>be at least partly true.

Nonsense.

And we've rehashed and debunked this all before.  I'm not going to do it again.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: ruthb@hotspring.sitka.sun.com (Ruth Blackburn)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: cow's milk
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:07:55 GMT
Reply-To: ruthb@hotspring.sitka.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotspring.sitka.sun.com


What are the reports findings?

ruth

In article 13519@wam.umd.edu, zedaker@next08wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller) writes:
>Hello, 
>	Does anyone have an opinion on the new report on cow's milk by the  
>Johns Hopkins University, et. al. ( also includes Dr. Spock )?
>
>	The Dairy Council doesn't like it! Well, screw 'em!  
>
>	Opinions?!?!
>
>				Pam
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Bay Area Vegetarians...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:33:12 GMT


I am getting married in February and thinking of having Whole Foods in
Palo ALto cater the wedding.

Has anyone been to a party catered by them? Have anything to say or
any recomendations of things they do particularly well?

They mentioned that they do wedding cakes. Has anyone eaten a cake
they did and how was it???

ANy other suggestions for vegetarian caterers? We are food lovers and
plan to spend most of the wedding budget on food so caterers who do
elegant things for fair prices are the best!!

Thanks in advance...

Robbie

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: cush@kq.msc.edu (R. Cushing Hamlen)
Subject: report on protein consumption needed
Reply-To: cush@msc.edu
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:53:27 GMT

In the past months someone had posted a report on protein 'myths' which was
produced by the President's Council on Nutrition (or some such Washington-based
organization).  The standard statements of average protein consumption being too
high, etc. etc. were made.  

In my wisdom I deleted my copy of this report, and now I need it to pass on
to an aquaintance :-(    

Could someone who still has a copy of this on-line please forward a copy to me 
through e-mail? (send to cush@msc.edu)

Thanks in advance!

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: patric@triton.unm.edu (Patricia Rathbone)
Subject: Re: Info needed on wheat allergy
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:41:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
Keywords: wheat allergy

>From chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR):

>What are the symptoms of an allergy to wheat
>products? Do both whole wheat and refined
>wheat flour have the same allergic effects?

The latest article I read on food allergies (in the local paper last
week) stated that true food "allergies" are extremely rare and that
food "intolerances" would be the more appropriate term.  Whatever you
call the unpleasant reactions to certain foods, they vary widely from person
to person.  They can include diarrhea, constipation, flatulence, headache,
nausea, rash, and many other symptoms.  A person may experience one or
several reactions.  It seems to me a person could have different reactions
to different foods, but I don't know that for certain.  Every body is different.

My friend who has many food intolerances can eat whole wheat but not refined
refined wheat.  I repeat, every body is different.  She kept a food diary
for months trying to determine which foods did or did not adversely affect 
her.

My statements are based on general reading and experience.  I'm sorry I have
no specific references for my statements.  I know there are many books on
the subject (my friend has several).  Perhaps someone else can provide
specific titles.
 
-- 
** Patric Rathbone (patric@unmvma.bitnet,patric@triton.unm.edu) **
The message of all great religions is this:  That beyond all that
seems to divide us, there is a unity, and that unity transcends
ourselves, our world, and the distances between the stars.
From: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What's wrong with free-range eggs ?
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>> Comparatively  few  people  would eat chicken if they had to kill the birds
>> themselves,  

moser@sw.stratus.com (Tom Moser) writes:
>Why do so many vegetarians believe this? I disagree with this completly.

I believe it because the meat eaters I've talked to don't want to hear about
how chickens (or cows) are raised, killed and processed.  I conclude that they
wouldn't want to do the job themselves.

>I would eat just as much chicken (maybe more in the case of chicken) if I
>had the opportunity to kill and clean the birds myself.

You mean killing the birds yourself is an added bonus?  How many have you
actually killed?


-Tom
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: eln411d@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr BG Lawrence)
Subject: Re: FALAFAL??? they fall apart
Summary: Re: FALAFAL??? they fall apart
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:58:47 GMT

In article <was-051092144716@mac75.ils.nwu.edu>, was@ils.nwu.edu (Wayne Schneider) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.141722.11232@waikato.ac.nz>, susan@waikato.ac.nz
> wrote:
> > I've actually tried a number of recipes that tasted ok, but none of them
> > stuck together while frying. It can't be my technique, bought mix works
> > out perfectly, so whats wrong with my recipes? The last time, I tried adding
> > arrowroot to see if it would help bind it together - still didn't work.
> > I ended up baking them in the oven, still a bit flakey, but they were
> > edible.
> 
> I've found that HEAT is the key ingrediant.  Make sure your frying pan is
> heated up well before dumping the little guys in.
I agree, the oil has to be hot (somewhere around 350C) but adjusted so that
the oil doesn't de-stabilise.  Vegetable oil is not very good because
it de-stabilises easily, but oils 
such as sunflower oil and olive oil are excellent for deep frying.
However, if the oil isn't hot enough, I find that the falafels or bean burgers
will definitely self-destruct, no matter what I put in them.
Cheers,
Ben Lawrence
Dept of Elec. Eng
Monash Uni Clayton
Australia
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Wheat Grass Juice and Leaf Protein
Date: 1 Oct 1992 08:37:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  I am doing a writing project on wheat grass juice and
something called leaf protein which was discussed more in
the 1960's I believe, in England as a way to feed the
Third World.

Wheat grass juice, which I drink regularly, has an
undeniable energy gain feel from it.
I am looking for information on the vitamin and other
nutrient analysis of it.  I do not think the U.S.
publications include it in vitamin composition, since
I have looked recently.

Leaf protein as described in one old clipping I have
is to take a nutritional green such as spinach leaf
and cook, strain, and extract the juices to form a
sort of green jello which is supposed to be very high
in protein and other nutrients, after discarding
the cellulose, etc.

I am also studying the blue green algaes and how to
grow them for Third World use, etc.

Any information on these three categories of food/plant
substances would be appreciated.


-- 
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            looks promising.... |-)
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What's wrong with free-range eggs ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:20:59 GMT
	<RIGG.92Oct5092029@osnome.che.wisc.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <RIGG.92Oct5092029@osnome.che.wisc.edu> rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:

   I am an omnivour and hunter reading this group.  I would eat a lot
   more meat if I could raise and butcher it myself.  In fact, this is
   one of the many reason why I hunt:  I know the meat is not pumped full
   of hormones and antibiotics.  I also know the animal lived a free and
   rewarding life until it met a quick, humane death.

If it lived anywhere remotely near farmland, I would have thought that you
couldn't be sure that it hadn't ingested lots of pesticides.  Some wild
animals also ingest some other nasties - here we've had a big problem with
swans eating fishermen's lead weights and dying of lead poisoning.

Also in the UK, a cut in the government subsidy to slaughterhouses has led
to many diseased animal carcasses being dumped in open-air pits on farms and
left to rot.  It's not beyond possibility that carnivores may be able to get
in and eat them, and carry the disease themselves.

Not all these problems are general of course, but I don't see how you can be
sure that a wild animal is a healthy animal.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar)
Subject: Taco Bell's products ...
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:24:22 EDT

Taco Bell is my most favorite fast food joint. I was assuming that there
vegetarian items don't have any animal products. Is that true? I am talking
about tostadas, Mexican Pizza (without meat), Bean Burritos, and Hard Tacos
(minus meat plus bean). Is there any lard or any other animal product in these?

And while we are on the topic,is there really any difference between 
  (1) bean burritos and soft tacos (- meat + bean)?
  (2) Tostadas      and hard tacos (- meat + bean)?

Thanks,
Ravi

P.S. I do take dairy products, but not eggs
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What's wrong with free-range eggs ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:20:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: moser@sw.stratus.com's message of 2 Oct 92 16:44:48 GMT

In article <6963@transfer.stratus.com> moser@sw.stratus.com (Tom Moser) writes:

   If you are an omnivore reading this group - please respond and let
   us know if you would butcher the meat you eat if there was no other
   way to get it.

I am an omnivour and hunter reading this group.  I would eat a lot
more meat if I could raise and butcher it myself.  In fact, this is
one of the many reason why I hunt:  I know the meat is not pumped full
of hormones and antibiotics.  I also know the animal lived a free and
rewarding life until it met a quick, humane death.

On a related note, my grandmother raises a few chickens.  The family
pitches in and butchers them a few times a year.  I am much happier to
eat her free-range chickens that have no chemicals or drugs than
eating the mystery meat available in the supermarket.

tim
From: jtw@cs.arizona.edu (Jane T. Waddell)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Broccoli Requests
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:18:08 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I want to start running intervals to increase my speed. I usually do
4-6 miles a day. Any advice on spacing??? General advice on doing
intervals (I haven't ever seriously done them). Please respond by
email.

Thanks,
Jane
From: burton@umbc8.umbc.edu (Mr. Joel Burton; ORL (U))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Question for ethical vegans and vegetarians.
Summary: Free range chickens, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:26:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

In article <BvEGGA.H32@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott) wrote:
>> Free range chickens doesn't automatically mean that they are non
>> cruel.  I believe that the definition of "free range chickens" means
>> that they must have about 2 feet of room to move about.

For a good discussion of what "free range" can mean, check out
J. Robbins' DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA.

Basically, while many people used to claim 'free range' chickens
had lots of roomy, spacious fields and happy lives, this term is
often used to describe chickens that have as little space and
ethical comfort as factory broilers.

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