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From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Chemicals
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:21:45 GMT

In article <n0919t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Ed.Musthaler@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>   Hello all, I have a few questions for the group here...
>I was heavy into darkroom work. Color neg film (c41) and ektaprint
>color prints, as well as tri-x and B&W printing. At that time I purchased
>chemicals from Zone V inc, Brookline Mass. I don't think they are still in
>bussiness. Does any one know where I can get c41 & ektaprint
>chemicals in bulk (6 qts) cheaper than Kodak? I've seen an add for
>Photographers formulary, but they listed all B&W chems, do they carry color as 
>well.
>
Zone V is still in business.  They currently advertise in Darkroom & Creative
Camera Techniques.  Their address:  Stage Rd., S. Strafford, VT 05070,
Phone 802-765-4508.  I called there just this morning and got their answering
machine.  If you dealt with Zone V before, you probably have the formulas for
C41 and Ektaprint-2.  If you don't have the formulas, send me e-mail and I'll
get them to you.  Photographers Formulary does carry basic color chemicals,
but their prices seem a little high to me.  But they do have a LARGE selection.

>   Next question. I have 5lb containers of dry powder chems of almost 
>every chem a darkroom would need. What is the life expectance of these.
>I figure it some of the color chems would loose strength faster than
>others. They have been sitting around for 7 years now. That was when I decided 
>to remodel my darkroom and shut down the pumbing system.

If your dry powder chemicals have been kept cool and dry, most of them should
still be good.  Look at the developing agents closely (Hydroquinone,
Phenidone, Metol (Elon), CD-3 [4-amino-n-ethyl-n-(b-methane-sulphonyl-amido-
ethyl)-m-toluidine sulfate monohydrate], CD-4 [4-amino-3-methyl-n-ethyl-n-
(beta-hydroxylethyl)aniline sulfate]).  If any of them are darkened, they
may not be good any more.  CD-4 will have slight violet tint; CD-3 may be
a little off-white.  If you have any liquid fixer concentrates, examine them
for yellow precipitate (sulfur).  If this has happened, they are bad and
should be discarded.  

If you have goodly amounts of most of the chemicals, you should be in good
shape to do color film and paper very cheaply for a long time.  When you were
processing before, did you convert your used C-41 developer for color paper,
and did you reuse your C-41 bleach for paper?  If not, contact me for details.
Doing this really saves money.
 
>   Also, what is the disposal procedure for various chemicals.

There has been a lot of discussion of this before.  I think the general
advice is, for the small home darkroom, mix your used chemicals together and
flush down the drain with lots of water.  If you're doing black-and-white,
silver recovery may be worth doing.  There probably isn't enough silver in
color materials to make recovery worth it.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah

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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Auto Focu button on Canon EOS cameras (was Re: Photograping Whales)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:12:26 GMT

In article <robert.715830750@labtam>, robert@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Robert Groom) writes:
                        The EF lens data sheet mentions that using the EF28-80L
> reduces that by 50%, so we're down to about 25 rolls.  With CF4 set, it's

Data Sheet? What Data Sheet? where can I get one?

~Paul
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Anyone own a Zone VI field camera?
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:26:59 GMT
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.


Well, it is almost foliage time -- here in New England we are
privileged to have almost a full three weeks where it is worth taking
out one's camera! -- and a young man's thoughts naturally turn to 4x5
photography.

My Sinar F2 is unfortunately too bulky for anything other than
roadside pictures.  I've coveted field cameras for many years and am
beginning to think of either a Japanese metal camera, a cheesy
Tachihara wooden 4x5 ($500) or one of those lifetime-guaranteed Zone
VI gold-plated hardware beauties (about $1300 last I recall).

Anyone out there have experience with Zone VI cameras?

I'm also coveting a Schneider Super Symmar lens with moby coverage.  I
think they make a 150 which would fill a gap in my collection (90,
210, 270).  Anyone have experience with this baby?

Thanks,

Philip Greenspun
MIT Department of EECS

P.S.  I assume all of you have seen Fuji's ad for Readyload 4x5
Velvia... has anyone managed to find any?
From: luong@naxos.inria.fr (Quang-Tuan Luong)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: High speed useful ? (was Re: Nikon N90 technobabble)
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:33:56 GMT
Reply-To: luong@sophia.inria.fr
Organization: Inria Sofia Antipolis

In article <PHR.92Sep4102515@soda.berkeley.edu>, phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:

|> They should also add TTL flash metering and a 1/8000 shutter (the more
|> recent FM2's already use the same shutter as the N8008) and call it
|> the FM3.

I don't understand the utility of high speed shutters. On my 8008, I think
I have never shot beyond 1/1000s, and I cannot imagine any real situation 
where 1/8000s would be useful. Using high speed means that you use also high
sensibility film, and/or wide aperture, and this is known to reduce 
significantly image quality.

Tuan.
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From: swgto@cs.iastate.edu (Swagato Basumallick)
Subject: WANTED: manual SLR
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:43:25 GMT

I am looking for a manual SLR , (program modes an additional plus). 
I would be interested in any of the following models:

	Pentax K 1000, P 30T
	Canon AE-1, AV-1, T-60
	Nikon N 2000
	yashica SE

	preferably with a 50mm lens and flash.

If you have any of the above cameras for sale, or know somebody 
who does, please send me mail at 
  swgto@judy.cs.iastate.edu.
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From: dees@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees)
Subject: Re: CANON off camera flash cord. Operation with 630. Any info?
Reply-To: dees@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees)
Organization: Motorola MOS Telecom
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:24:39 GMT

as noted in one other response, the 630 goes to the maximum aperature.
the way around it is to use manual mode. set the shutter to 1/60 and
i generally shoot with an aperature of 8. seems to cover pretty good
depth of field. (i use a sunpak 433AF flash with the 630

live from Austin, Texas (Live Music Capitol of the World)
randy
dees@sid.sps.mot.com


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From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: New Nikon camera!!!
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 04:27:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From article <1992Sep6.043718.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, by zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi):
> In article <13251@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>> Hmm, the N90.  Anyone have any idea when the N90"S" will be out?
>> 
> ... or the F4S II. F4 reprogramed for D lenses...

Would this be F5?  (even though the right interval has not past since
F4s)?  

I wonder how come the Taiwanese clone don't get into making F4s (just the
body, lens maybe later, maybe not)?  I mean at $1500 to $2000, I am sure they
can make a living by selling them for less than $1000.  And then add more
electronic features like wired or infared (like our TV clickers) connection
to our laptop; CCD built-in for remote monitoring, etc, really get
Nikon off their asses and bring their electronics up to date...

Like they say, if Detroit has moved as fast as computer has, cars would
fly today.  If Nikon had moved as fast as computer has, cameras would
fly too!  Ok, maybe they wouldn't fly around and let you take photos
remotely, but they should at least be mounted on a 1'x1' golf cart that
moves around on batteries and let you take photos remotely, with extenable
neck of course to lower or heighten the camera.

Anybody wanna start a new (clone) company...

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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: High speed 
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:11:36 GMT

In article <=8qn+5b.hchong@netcom.com>, hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
...
> Can anyone say what is the highest speed w/o the shutter doing the
> "portion-at-a-time" thing?  (specifically on F4s) 
> 
Easy, look up the fastest flash sync speed....

~Paul

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From: wojnar@stortek.com (Mike Wojnar)
Subject: Re: omega enlargers 
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:04:29 GMT

 I would like to know how Omega D5 enlarger compares with other enlargers 
 and what is a reasonable price for a used omega dx5xl (10  years old).


  
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From: sriram@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (R. Sriram)
Subject: Advice on Buying my first SLR
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:01:03 GMT



Hello friends,

I am thinking on buying my first SLR and I'm having trouble deciding on what
to buy. I'm a beginner and avidly interested in learning photography and more
interested in shooting landscapes and things like that (Call it nature photography)

I browsed through last 2 years of PP and also talked to friends of mine. They
seem to recommend an EOS 630 or a Nikon 6006 and a few others. There are a few
things which I feel I must have in my camera.

1. Ability to focus manually - I feel this will give me some basic tips on
   photography. Since the above cameras are AF, I'm not sure whether they
   support manual override. My question actually borders on another long
   standing (rather stupid qn) - Does the AF mean only the focussing is
   controlled by the electronics or the zoom portion also ? I want to be
   able to control the zoom so that I can choose the coverage angle I want.
   Do the above cameras support this ?

2. Ability to control exposure/aperture manually.
3. Relatively inexpensive (body ~400(max))
4. Camera shake warning and over/under exposure warning (which I believe
   works in automatic mode only - please correct me if I'm wrong)


Any other desirable features that I'm not aware of and would be good for a
starter.

I have a few related questions as well.

q.1 : What does exposure metering mean?
q.2 : what is exposure bracketing? Is it a desirable feature to have in a
      camera? Does the EOS630 have in it?
q.3 : What would be the best kind of AF mechanism? I think N6006 has three
      rectangles and one can choose the rectangle to focus on.

I have not been able to get a hold of the 630's info sheet - just a few
features from here and there. Is there an ftp site where I can get them or
if somebody can post them that will be great too.

I would appreciate if somebody can help me with these questions and recommend
any other SLRs in the market. 

Choice of lenses : I read an article in PP that a 28-70 zoom is by far the
better choice and then another in 70-210 range. But the author strongly 
recommends a 50mm/fixed with f/1.7 to start with for beginners. Any
recommendations on that ? Also for the 28-70 zoom what would be a good
aperture range to select from?

I'm sorry the questions got too windy. Thanks in advance for all the help.
Direct reply or reply on the net is welcome.

Sriram
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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: FLD filters with Flash photography !!!
Summary: plugsgreen filter
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:34:56 GMT

In article <79619@ut-emx.uucp>, pojee@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
> 
> 	Hi network readers ,
> 
> 		If we shoot in presence of flourescent light with a 
> 	flash set to 'through the lens' reading then the snaps turn
> 	out to be green in the background. Can we use FLD filter
> 	even while taking such flash pictures
> 		Do we have to go for 2 stop overexposure when doing
> 	so? I am asking this because when seeing through the viewfinder
> 	I find the scene to be very dark? Same happens with the 80A
> 	filter. 
> 
> 		Does the presence of filter degrade the object we are
> 	actually shooting at (even though it might bring out background
> 	colours fine without greenish cast).
> 
> 		Does anybody has answers to these questions? I will be
> 	very thankful for replies.
> 
> 						Pankaj Bishnoi.


If you use an FLD filter and flash, you will also have to filter your
flash output, otherwise, your flash-lit subjects will be off-color.
There is a gel filter (cellophane type pamaterial) available from 
Rosco (Cinegel line) precisely for this purpose.  It is used quite
extensively in film and television production.  One use is to cover
an entire window with this material shen shooting indoors in a 
fluorescent-lit room.  Camera uses an FLD type filter.  The filter
on the window makes the daylight entering the room match the 
artificial light in the room.

Calumet and Helix are two of the mail -order places carrying this 
material.  You may have to buy a couple of large sheets as a minimum
order.  It's easy to cut small pieces for flash units.

If you are using TTL flash control for the above situation, no
exposure compensation should be necessary.  Longer shutter speeds
will, of course, pick up more of the ambient lighting, compared to
the flash.

-- Ernest
-- 

"My other computer is a Nikon N8008." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Thagee Dresden EXA
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:20:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep14.010103.12927@sfu.ca> forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman) writes:
>This weeks challange:  Thagee Dresden EXA camera.  Made in USSR
		        ^
>occupied Germany (194?).  Lens is unremovable E. Ludwig, Meritar
>1:2.9, f=50mm.

  That's IHAGEE. the same company that manufactured the weird
Exacta cameras.  There were 5 different EXA models.  It's lens mount (at
least on the Exa II) is the same as Exacta's mount and will therefore
accept exacta lenses.  McKeown's price guide says it's worth $25-$45
dollars.  At least on the exa II, there is no instant-return mirror.

>It has a really STRANGE viewfinder pop-up-box (for lack of a better
>description!).  It is a 35mm and is presently residing in yet another
>junk/antique shop.  At $100 I doubt that it will join my Zenit and 
>Canon but I said that I would see if I could find anyone who knew 
>anything about it.














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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Distance info on EF lenses...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:44:01 GMT

There have been coments to the effect that the Nikon D series lenses are
the first to provide distance info to the camera body. Not so. The EF Canon
lenses have always done this to support the Depth-of-Field mode on EOS models.

It is a pity they don't use it for IR focus conmpensation and GN mode flash
exposure.

BTW, have Canon slashed the price of the RT in the rest of the world? It
has been dropped from $1100 to $575 in West Aust. Wonder why :-).

~Paul

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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Help - need cheap big slide sorter
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:59:41 GMT

In article <PHILG.92Sep2142321@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>I think the best cheap light boxes are Acculights.  You can get one
>that is 1x2 feet for about $130 (47th St. Photo is where I got mine!)

I got my Logan (about 8x10 in.) from Gould Trading in NYC for about
$40, color-corrected, too.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: blue@sequent.com (Gil Delavous)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Lens prices in Japan and US
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:15:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep15.121553.24474
Followup-To: blue@sequent.com
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Hello all!

I'd like to purchase some of these lenses:
- af nikkor 20mm 2.8
- af nikkor 85mm 1.8
- af nikkor 80-200mm ED 2.8
- af nikkor 300mm ED 2.8
- the nikon focal doubler (don't remember the name)

I may also change my F801 (8008) for the F4s.

Could you tell me the approximative prices of this above in Japan
and/or in the States?

What about the quality and features of the new SB25?  I already have
the SB24 and I'd like to know if it is reasonable to change it.

Thanks,
Gil Delavous.
blue@sequent.com
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: NIKON F3 T   Questions
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:35:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep7.130224.1@vxdesy.desy.de>
desler@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

> Hi There!
> 
>   I'm wondering if anybody can answer me a few questions about the 
> NIKON F3 T. 
> 
>   I already own a F3 HP and now I'm looking for a second camera. But
> I can't help it, the only one I can think about is the F3 (don't need
> AF or 1/10000 sec..)!
> 
>   Questions:
>   
>   1. I've heard that the 'T' stands for Titanium, so the F3 T should be
>      even more robust than the F3. Which parts are made of this material?
> 
>   2. What about the finder? Is the HP (high point) the standard? (As I
>      wear glasses this was one big reason for me to buy the F3, I could 
>      see the whole frame for the first time...). 
> 
>   3. Are there any other features that are different from the F3?
> 
>   4. Is there a difference between the black and the silver body (don't
>      tell me I has a different color; the black one seems to be more 
>      expensive, why?)?
> 
>   5. Do they make the F3 T anymore? It looks like used ones are getting
>      more expensive every day.  
> 
>   Hope to hear from you, thanks in advance
> 
>                                        Kai


Answers,
    The Titanium part of the F3T is the body.  It has a different
silver sheen than the regular silver F3.  As far as I know, it should
come standard with the HP finder and I am almost positive there are no
differences between it and the regular F3.  I kinda doubt that they are
making any more F3 T's just because they are pretty rare.  I have
talked to one pro who thinks it is worth the extra cash, but I do not
think so.  I suggest you get yourself a regular F3 HP and get those
excellent AIS lenses before they sell out.  You do know Nikon has
stopped production on those beats.

any other questions about Nikon equipts are more than welcome at 
gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu

peace
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From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Please distribute appropriately.
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:49:36 GMT

Please folks, don't send out for-sale posts all over the world. Most
newsposters let you insert a Distribution line in the header. Limit
the distribution to at least the continent you live in.

Thanks,
PD
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
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From: elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau)
Subject: Re: New Canon mentioned on CBS This Morning
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:02:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.170224.8868@kodak.kodak.com> axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.152915.28058@wri.com>, markm@wri.com writes:
>>
>>I saw the story too.  They said that the camera uses two small lasers to  
>>determine what the photographer is looking at.  I guess these lasers would  
>>shoot out through the viewfinder and reflect off your eyeball, giving the  
>>camera some sort of clue as to what corner of the viewfinder your staring at.
>>
>
>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I saw this technology demonstrated at a trade show a couple years ago 
>and wondered about this application (maybe I should have patented the idea :-))
>
>My idea was to have a pair of glasses or something, so the individual could 
>take a picture of whatever they were looking at without having to raise a 
>camera and compose.  This would be ideal for catching those unannounced 
>action shots that I keep missing :-(

let's not get carried away.  a patent is pretty much out of the question.  the
US army has been using similar technology in visor mounted targeting for some
years now.

I don't mean to shoot you down, but if you don't hold the camera up to your 
eyes, it won't see what you're seeing (unless you're so good that you can 
transmit the image from the glasses to the camera body)

eugene
From: I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Spartacus At Cuny)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Point & Shoot Camara Recommendations?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:41:04 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Supersedes: <92259.001723I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hi folks,

    I need your help.  I'm planning to purchase a 35mm P/S Camera as a
gift for mom.  The camera must be simple to use but must take sharp
photographs.  Another important consideration is the viewfinder
image needs to be clearly visible because she wears glasses.  I'm
particularly looking in the < $180 range.  Any recommendations?
I'd appreciate any help you can send my way.  Thank you.

**UPDATE:  I've received several recommendations, unfortunately I wasn't
           clear the first time.  I'm particularly looking for quality
           *simple* compact P/S for Mom.  SLR and Bridge cameras
           are out of the question.  I have Maxxum 8000i bodies with a
           bunch of lenses; however she finds those cameras intimidating.
           She's 69 (shuuu :) ) and computerized gadgets makes her nervous.
           Oh...Zooms are out too ...single or dual lense P/S are okay.

P.S.  Please use Email.

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     I18BC@CunyVM.Cuny.Edu    |      Brooklyn College Of The
     I18BC@CunyVM.BitNet      |      City University Of New York
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New accounts above 8-)
From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Kodak CD picture and LDs
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:49:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Sep8.154956.7627
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <xd1yfr=@rpi.edu>, winfia@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Winfield) writes:
>would have them put to CD.  What I want to know is, is this format of CD
>picture compatible with current Laser Disc players that play multi-size and
>multi format LDs and CDs?

No.  The existing Laser Disc formats used for motion video from CD store 
the data in "analog" form.  Photo CD is a "digital" storage medium which uses
a CD-ROMxa logical structure.  Existing multi format LD and CD will 
unfortunately not be able to play Photo CDs.


Mike

-- 
Mike Axman  
CD-Imaging Advanced Development
Eastman Kodak Company
axman@acadia.kodak.com



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