HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Subject: Re: HoloMuck
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:39:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans

As quoted from <92095.100024JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu> by <JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu>:
+---------------
| "Finally, HoloMuck can be gotten to at 'telnet 128.135.120.46 5757'. I live
| in Apartment 5-9 at Tanstaafl Towers. Stop by!! Page me when you get there.
| So, till I see you al there. Stay Cool!"
+---------------

You come up with a public dial-up that won't bankrupt me, I'll consider it.
:-(

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]        allbery@NCoast.ORG
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Subject: Curses!  Foiled again!
Originator: salford@orion
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:06:00 GMT


>>SEA has been listening to the pun fest from her usual spot in the hot tub. 
>>After getting another drink from Mike, she turns to face the punsters and
>>proceeds with:
>>"IC that my delicate ears don't have the capcitance to resist this current
>>flow.  I'm out of phase and amp sure to need grounding before this circuit
>>is complete.  I'm wafering on the edge of reluctance and this situation needs
>>to be rectified by admittance to the home for transient punsters." 
>>Turning to toe the line, SEA throws her glass into the fireplace and says,
>>"May we all reach a steady state soon."
>>
>>(Okay, tell me how many puns you found!)
>>
>>
>
>	Galadin looks around upon hearing another pun and sees it comes from
>SEA herself.  Again, he waves his cane and a snowball appears.  When the next
>person opens the door, they see a snowball fly past them headed towards the hot
>tub.  As SEA is relaxing with her drink, SPLAT.  She is hit square on the nose
>(I love the soft snow kind) and the cold snow then trickles down her neck.

Waving her hands nonchalantly in the air, the snowball reforms itself and
heads back towards Galadin, only this time it curves around the back and
nestles oh so gently between his shirt and bare skin.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
Tell me this ain't lunacy!

SEA
Stephanie Alford
salford@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com


Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Becoming a murderer
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:53:23 GMT

In article <OLSON.92Apr16084748@husc8.harvard.edu>, olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.073625.5107@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>
>>Speaker-to-Minerals asks Bob and Lamplighter, "Are the two of you willing to
>>contribute $25,000 each for the rest of Harris' life to support him?"
>
>Castellan replies "It's *cheaper* than paying for the appeals and court costs
>associated with his conviction.  Most executions end up costing more than
>it would to just lock the guy up for the rest of his life."

And just how expensive are the inevitable appeals to the sentence of life in
prison?  Especially since they can continue until the prisoner dies of natural
causes (note:  a recent Supreme Court ruling on habeus corpus [you include ALL
the reasons known to you at the time, rather than bringing many suits
sequentially;  once you've filed a habeus corpus petition, further petitions
based on information WHICH YOU HAD AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST PETITION are to be
summarily dismissed], which was deplored by many of the same groups who oppose
capital punishment) may reduce the costs of the appeals process, both for those
sentenced to capital punishment and those sentenced to life in prison.

It's invalid to use the cost of the appeals to the capital sentence without
also considering the cost of appeals to the non-capital sentence.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: bruce@harry.ugcs.caltech.edu (Bruce J Bell)
Subject: Re: Natural Science, Natural Religion (was Re: Thoughts on Biblical...)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:24:10 GMT

allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) writes:

>"Common sense" has some pretty severe problems with quantum theory, too.  If
>*that* is the determining factor then you'd best stay tuned:  the show isn't
>over yet.

Mmmmwell, I dunno, after a while you start to develop some pretty good
intuition about QM, as well.  Scary, isn't it...


Skeeve
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Co.
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:32:03 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 16:18:12 GMT

In article <16APR92111812@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu> razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger) writes:

>	Arty shakes his head.  "Nope.  It's been years since I heard
>the original, and I don't remember it.  It had a lot more verses, though."

Castellan nods.  "I have a version with a few other verses..." He wanders 
over to Radio Free Colorado and presses a few keys.  A familiar tune starts
up, but with an unfamiliar arrangement... crunchy guitars and a serious
beat on Scarourough Fair?! Some patrons turn green and others giggle hyster-
ically, while a few jump on the floating dancefloor and start slamming.

"This was perpetrated by an Amherst, MA band called Cordelia's Dad... and
as you may notice it has a couple other verses..."

"Please see for me that her hair's hanging long
That it rolls and flows down her back and breast
Please see for me that her hair is hanging long
For that's the way I remember her best

I wonder if she remembers me at all
Many's the time that I've hoped and prayed
O in the darkness of my night
And in the brightness of my day"

"The interesting thing is that these two verses are also in the Bob Dylan
song `Girl From The North Country'."

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu (seldom used)
"So come all ye lovers of the Good Life, your children playing in the sun,
And set a sympathetic flag a-flying, and be there when the Dutchman comes..."
                                      -Jethro Tull, "Flying Dutchman"
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Dr. Asimov
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:45:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttidca.34625
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Apr9.151930.21478@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
}In article <EdstCrC00Vp=MC9UQZ@andrew.cmu.edu> ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively) writes:
}>>1)  A science fiction fan (we should have no trouble with this);
}>>2)  A chemist;
}>>3)  An historian;
}>>4)  An English Lit type;
}>>5)  A biblical scholar
}>>6)  Several generalists (I can help out here, but can't hope to match
}
}For the good doctor, I'll gladly volunteer to be your English Lit type...and 
}a generalist, and a sf fan, of course.

I'd volunteer as generalist and fan, but I'm afraid my temporal affliction
would slow everyone down. (Sort of thiotimoline in reverse -- I find out I
got wet a week after it happened).  I'll just have to watch the (enforced)
tape delay. )-:

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Week from hell...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:51:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92099.204332JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET (Jeff Pierce) writes:
>Happy the Man listens to Grant's anxious discussion of the GRE exam.

	As does the Wasp. "Good luck, Grant. Can't give you too much advice,
though; I'm one of those people who does naturally well on standardized
tests -- I can pass them most of the time even if I don't know anything about
the subject. 
	"In fact, I owe my presence in grad school to the GRE: 800, 760, 690 --
and to some excellent letters of recommendation by other professors."
	
	The Wasp sniffles, coughs, and sighs. "However, I am now having a
nasty health problem... it's been hanging on for quite some time now,
and I'm starting to fear that it's MONO..."

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Months in songs (was Re: still playing Encore)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:12:56 GMT
	<1992Apr2.202504.2280@reed.edu> <ku861uINNbpd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

In article <ku861uINNbpd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> test@peregrine.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:

   I can think of another song that uses that thought if not that word
   directly.  Mandlebear, what is the name of the song with the refrain

      ....makes me a perfect wife

   That Kanefsky did of Kathy's song Velveteen Rabbit?

"Dear Departed", to the tune of "Velveteen" (no rabbit in the title, or
even in the song, if I remember correctly).  The word "exhume" is not
used in "Dear Departed" as far as I can remember.  One of my all-time
favorite sick songs.
--
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   \__ steve@arc.UUCP _________408-727-3357___________________________________
From: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: most passionate of the Signs ???
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:24:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.092453.22366
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-21920]: spop.navo.navy.mil

In article <1992Apr12.090949.9680@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr12.051423.21826@cs.tulane.edu> pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:
|> >
|> >     "Actually 'yes, I have a video...' is from a 'Young Ones' episode.
|> >   I saw it on MTV about two years ago. I don't have a video on my
|> >   forehead, honest... " NickD.
|> 
|> "Yes, but what I really want to know NickD, is, have we go' a video?"
|> 
|> Shonias
|> 
|>  
|> 
|> --
|> **************************************************
|> Any time, any place,
|> I'm just the fool who puts the smile on your face.
|> **************************************************

    Yes Vivian, we have go' a video !

   Some of those shows were great, particularly when they burned
 all the furniture in the fireplace so they could keep warm and
 Mike nailed the plate { and his leg } to the table !
-- 

     pierce@navo.navy.mil  Jim Pierce aka Nick D.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: abortion
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:14:56 GMT

In article <12APR92092535@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu>, razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger) writes:
>Sweeping statements like yours generally ignore special cases,
>whereas the world we live in is almost entirely made up of special
>cases."

StM interrtupt:  "As a card-carrying skeptic (literally), I feel compelled (by
my own personality; I am NOT channeling :-) to point out that the tendency to
overstate the frequency of unusual events is a nearly universal aspect of
humanity:  While it may seem to you that the special cases predominate, this is
likely just a result of the fact that you pay little attention to events that
are NOT special cases (Quick: What's the color of the last car that shared an
intersection with you and did NOT hit you?).
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: narnia and other chronicals--part 1
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:39:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.220943.23410@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>And, the two pick up their feet and make off after the vanishing
>tick-tocking rodent.

StM, in a somewhat pedantic mood, says, "That's not a rodent; it's a
lagomorph."
From: erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu (Erik Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: RHPS
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:02:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rsv5fINNco8
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr7.164209.22500@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>"ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh, eddie." (i always wanted to do columbia, but
>i can't tap dance :)

"Whatever happened to Saturday Night?" croons the giant, who suddenly has
"LOVE" and "HATE" tatooed across his knuckles.  "I really love that Rock 'N'
Roll!"


>kitten wants to do the time warp with the bfg...

[Show us your mother, Riff!]
It's astounding, Time is fleeting,
Madness [Our House!] takes its toll.
But listen closely, [How much longer?] Not for very much longer,
I've got to [Smoke a bol!] keep control.

I remember!  Doing the Time Warp!  [Kick! Kick!]
Drinking those moments when, the blackness would hit me,
And the void would be calling [Sounds like a hangover!]

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!
LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!

It's just a jump to the left.... [Jump]
And then a step to the Righ-igh-igh-ight...
Put your hands on your [Tits!] hips, [Or somebody else's!]
And pull your knees in tigh-ight,  [Unh!]
You do the pelvic thrust, [Group sex, group sex!]
You know it drives you in-saaane.

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!
LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!


>--
>***************************************************************************
>conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
>"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
>                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
>
>"kittens today are not properly trained--the way that they were when
>victoria reigned." asparagus (gus: the theatre cat)


Erik, the BFG
-- 
     "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."
			Roy, _Blade Runner_
Erik Nielsen					erikred@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Dr. Asimov
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:11:09 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <167C9F385.MTURN01@ricevm1.rice.edu> MTURN01@ricevm1.rice.edu (Turner, Martha Axler) writes:
>
>Blushing a bit at having to explain herself, Emter tries to make her
>explanation short. "Every week in most synagogues, or wherever Jews are
>praying, they read in Hebrew part of the five books of Moses. You have
>to be specially trained to learn the chants and to read the scroll
>without vowels. For my Bat Mitzvah I learned how to read Torah."

You're right, that is a short explanation.  Let's make it a bit longer:

Back when the Torah was written, everyone knew Hebrew (obviously), but
literacy was relatively rare.  Yet, every adult was required to know the
Law (I believe that one of the synonyms for Torah is law).  So, the
Torah was divided into roughly 52 equal sections, and a leader of the
community would read one section per week (usually each section is read
multiple times) so that in the course of a year all the Laws would be
heard by everyone.

The Hebrew in Torah has the same relationship to modern Hebrew that
English somewhat before Shakespeare has to modern English, so few
people really *understand* it anymore.  However, the reading of the Law
has become the centerpiece of our religious rituals.  In the
Conservative and Reform movements, someone capable of reading Torah
tends to be highly regarded by their community.  (In the Orthodox
community, this ability is taken for granted.)
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups?
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Dr. Asimov
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.101805.10538@cco.caltech.edu>, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>Carl continues, "No, think about it.  In one of his articles, he uses the speed
>of light and the frequency of the variation of intensity of the output of a
>celestial object to derive the MINIMUM size of the object.  It's as if he'd
>never heard that resonant systems have harmonics."

Sorry, I meant "MAXIMUM."  Also, I think Asimov was talking about quasars in
the article in question.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (Michael Pope)
Subject: Re: A new wizard.
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:33:20 GMT

>In article <1992Apr10.070312.20839@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.002555.4814@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (Michael Pope) writes:
>>>The ball, apparently reacts to being poked about, perhaps it is ticklish?,
>>>and begins to hum and glow a faint blue.  The sound of flutes and mandolins can
>>>be heard, and a voice, not altogether unfamiliar can be heard to say,
>>>
>>>"Of magic ways there are many, yet commons aims they may have.  How things are
>>>done are not always as important as what they do.  Thus is the secret of my  
>>>craft.  What is my magic for............."
>>>
>>>And then all is silent from that magic globe......
>>
>>StM ventures, "Er, it makes things vanish?"

A voice can bet yet again heard,

"Tis not the globe that is important."  Then silence.
From: jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer)
Subject: Stuff and life.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:38:38 GMT


       John walks in to the bar, looking very weary.  Mike hands him
a southern comfort with a look to say that it BETTER be a nightcap.
 
      John grins in a 'who needs sleep' manner, and walks to a table.
 
      He grabs some people in tense hugs, people he hasn't seen
in too long. . . Susan and Bill and Kitten and Anita (If she still
exists) and others, but since he will forget some, he doesn't try to 
name the otherse.  (Don't you hate being left off of lists? I used to.
I got different)
 
     He hear's bear talking, and doesn't find himself able to think of
anything to say. . . but offers him a hug and a pat on the back and 
mentions that the pain of childhood DOES pass away, though it often 
seems like it won't.
 
    To those asking about his job search:  No job.
    To those asking about his sleep:  No sleep.
    Health?  getting better, and probably 95%.
 
    Emotional state?
 
     He walks into the danger room for a few minutes of incredible but 
controlled violence.  He walks out.  He drains the southern comfort,
and throws it into the fireplace.
 
      TO LOVE!   He shouts, looks abut to smile and swear. . . 
 
     He finally just storms out, leaving Raphael to explain. . . 
 
      "John feels like he's running on emotional empty, which, in fact, he
is. . .and he's falling in love with this woman by the name of Paula
and he has NO idea how she feels about him, and isn't likely to find out
until he has time to try a seduction. . .  with no time or emotional
energy, that's going to be a long time.

      "And he's scared to death, because he's NEVER had a relationshiop
that ended with him NOT getting torn up emotionally, and he doesn't know
what's going to happen when this one gets blown to pieces.
 
      "And the worse thing is, he can really see a future with Paula. . .
because this is the first woman he's ever dealt with on an equal footing."
 
      Raphael shrugs.  "I don't know what to do.  I might be able to help
him fall out of love, but . . . that means throwing away the onlychance
at happiness he is oging to see in a long while.  I might be able to 
help him fall IN love. . . but that could drive him around the bend, if she
doesn't reciprocate."
 
     "I guess I"ll juststick around and hope for the best. . . like he's doing."

                                              John (& Raphael)
-- 
"Love is cool; I mean, like, really cool.  Like, the coolest thing in
the universe, where, like, people open up inside and show the world how
they feel, and they ain't afraid someone's gonna laugh because they, like,
love themselves already!"  --Personality 42, a generic 60's philosopher
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:30:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Mentor the Sage:
    >   A diverse *society* has room for many *cultures*.  There are very few
    >diverse cultures -- homogeniety is what defines them as cultures.

Oh......is this what the mundanes vs. fens discussion is all about, too?
Does everybody belong to a single homogenous culture? If so....sign me...

Firecat, woman without a culture

I agree that many people seem to fit into a single homogenous culture,
but I think the closer you get, the less obvious this is....and I think
it is entirely possible to create a culture that celebrates diversity.
At least, I hope so.

--    
                  A more intimate theology, and one more consonant with 
Stef              the nature of...love, pictures a demonic force engaged  
stef@apple.com    in continuous creation and participation. - Iris Murdoch
From: hgm@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Mail from Bob English
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:45:03 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

From: Bob English <renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com>
To: rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz

We can't answer mail Bob, so I hope people will excuse our droning on in the
bar. Perhaps people who are interested in my ideas should come over to sci.econ
and discuss them their. People here seem to be more thoughtful than most of the
people in sci.econ you might stir them up a bit. Robert asked me to answer 
your mail so here goes.

Robert said
>   "Start by recognizing that everyone has equal rights. Evryone has an
> equal right to (to quote the US declaration of independence) 'life, liberty
> and the pursuit of happiness' and to the natural resources of the planet.
> Actually giving everyone their 'share' is infeasible, but recognizing the
> right is not. We plan to levy people on the amount of natural resources
> they control over and above their rightful, equal share. This levy would
> then be redistributed as compensation to those with less than their share.
>   "Everything else is run by market forces, and a darn sight more fairly
> than the current world market where most people are too poor to be able to
> make much of an impact. No other taxes are necessary, and people don't
> have to do unnecessary work for the rich in order to survive.

You asked:
How is this different than a property tax?

It does not tax the improved value of resources only the natural value. The
improved value is the result of someone's labour and they are entitled to it.
The natural value was not created by anyone's labour and no-one has more right
to it than anyone else therefore we have equal rights to it if we have any
right at all. To tax property is to create disincentives to work to increase
the value of your resource. To tax only the resource itself is to create
incentives to use the resource efficiently.

Helen Marsh (Stumpy's Mum)

From:	IN%"renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com"  "Bob English" 15-APR-1992 08:40:33.71