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Subject: Re: WTVS
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:48:29 -0700

In article <1993Jan25.174558.28288@cs.mun.ca>, neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan) writes:
> 
>    Well the folks from the Detroit PBS station WTVS were in town a few
> days ago and since they made a few comments on Doctor Who I figured I'd
> pass along the information.
>    It's official, after the February 6th showing of The Greatest Show In
> the Galaxy WTVS will be dropping Dr. Who.  The reasons given were declining
> ratings and the fact that after they sold the show to the Sci-Fi Channel
> Lionheart didn't seem interested in the PBS stations any more.  They kept
> raising the cost until it just wasn't feasible to show it. They 
> did say that they will review the situation and they might bring the show
> back, but not before January 1994.
>    Starting in March the timeslot will be taken over by Blakes 7.
> 
>      -Neal Crossan-

I think the "cost" is bogus due to the fact that the local PBS station
here in Tucson, AZ doesn't seem to have any problems making a "profit"
off of the series. They do deliver a "hard-sell" twice a year concerning
the fact that if the viewers don't pledge Dr. Who will "go away". This
pledge drive in Dec they were particularly threatening. However, they
seem to be collecting enough money do I don't think the financial argu-
ment holds much water. It's far more likely that some 'bean-counter'
figures that a station can pick some other sci-fi prg & the viwers will
still pledge enough that the station will come out ahead!

PHIL
From: mcsseis@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who programme listings
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:23:25 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology






                  Is there a current listing of the episodes of 
     Dr. Who post Romana II available at all?
                  The only list I was aware of, was published 
     in the Who magazine, which I missed, and silence ever since.
                  

                  Thanks in advance.
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TERMINUS on video.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:47:17 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <C17JFu.7ru@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>     |          |    Since these other pictures were the flipped ones, surely
>     | []   []  |     if the characters were deemed to be looking in the wrong
>     |          |     direction, instead of flipping the individual pictures
>     |          |      why not leave them the correct way round but SWAP the two
>     |__________|        pictures over? I still believe it's an error.

Because swapping the pictures would upset the balance that the graphic
designer wanted to attain.  A lot of thought goes -- or should go -- into
working out how you want the consumer's eyes to move around the box.
That's two things there, really: Eye movement of the consumer, and balance
of the entire cover (don't want too much of one colour or intensity in
one position, because it will trigger an unpleasant response, subconscious
though it may be).

Plus, of course, a picture's relationship to surrounding text is taken
into consideration.

Then again, perhaps BBC Video's graphic designers aren't too clever.

However, flip-flopping a picture is not the sort of thing one does by
accident when making a picture conversion capable of going to the printer.
So, there must have been some reason for it, unless the resultant tri-tone
is on clear plastic sheets, like they are for colour newspaper pictures.
But, still, those are always put on the flat in the same way, with the 
colour sheets in a certain order, so it's not easy to accidentally put
up wrong.

I suppose one would have to know exactly what methods they're using when
they make the cover flats if one is to determine how they could have messed
up, if indeed that is what they have done.

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From: pcurtis@willamette.edu (Paul E. Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who letter in TV Guide
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:25:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.C196En.DJL
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

In article <domalley.727683989@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>In <9301211916.aa11081@macbeth.ocpt.ccur.com> hartnett@ocpt.ccur.com (Robert Sean Hartnett) writes:
>>
>>mentioning Dr Who? After 29 years, 569 episodes, and seven different actors 
>                                    ^^^
>Y'know, that's strange, I could have sworn there was a lot more than that...
>Does anyone know the exact number (originally - before the purges)

Well, counting "The Five Doctors" as one episode, "Resurrection of the Daleks"
as two episodes, and season 23 as 13 episodes, and not counting "Shada" or
"K-9 and Company," there have been precisely 695 episodes of Doctor Who (110
of which are missing).  However, it can be said that 569 episodes have been
shown in the United States, if you count "The Five Doctors" and "Resurrection
of the Daleks" as four episodes, season 23 as 26 episodes, don't include
"Shada," "K-9 and Company," or part one of "Invasion (of the Dinosaurs)," but
do include part three of "Power of the Daleks" (which was distributed by
Lionheart for a short time in the mid-'80s).

						--Paul Curtis
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Watcher's Origin
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:13:16 EST
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

> When the Abbot vanished at some point, didn't it make the noise of a TARDIS?
> I always thought the Abbot's TARDIS' chamaeleon circuit was set to transparen
> invisible.


Re:  Cho-je, or however it's spelled.  He was supposed to be a 
projection of mental energy.  Remember, The old guy was supposed to be 
into Indian mysticism, and it's a legend of yoga-indian-whatever that 
_thought_ can be transformed into physical reality.  It was based on 
earth mythology.  I always thought the old guy had just learned how to do 
it from yoga masters.
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From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: lalla ward
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:32:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.4153.16136@dosgate> "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:
>She was in one HORRIBLE vampire movie....something like "The Vampire
>Circus".....the high spot was when "Romona" graced the screen!  I don't
>know how much she got paid for this one, but it wasn't enough!

Nope.  She was in *two* horrible vampire movies.  She did a Chicago, IL, USA
con shortly after making the second one.  Someone asked if it was a bad as
the first, and she said "yes".

   Thanks awfully,
             Patrick
From: 245celio@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. Who Pinball Machine
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:34:18 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan21.134340.1@stsci.edu>, borne@stsci.edu writes:
> In article <1jdjjaINNt92@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bb233@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
> (Joseph L. Kaufman) writes:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 	I was wondering who else has seen the new Dr. Who pinball
>> machine (at least it is new in Des Moines, IA!)  
>>....
>> 	The machine I saw was in the local family fun center,
>> and I have heard there is another at a nearby 7-11.  So if there
>> are _two_ machines in one IOWA city, I am sure there are more out 
>> there.  Happy Pinball!
>> 
> 
> I was very surprised recently to see this machine in a fairly small
> local pizza shop (in Baltimore, MD ... 

> It was great nevertheless.  Any other sightings out there???
> 
> - Captain Kirk
> 
> +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
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> | Baltimore, MD  21218   USA         |                                        |
> +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+

Chalk up another appearance at Pinball Pete's in East Lansing, MI.  I
think it's great fun, but it's squashed in between all the other pinball
games, so a lot of the sound effects and voices get drowned out (except for
the 7th Dr. saying "Quick, we've got a second chance!"--I always pay
attention for THAT comment... ).  :)
						--Gail
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who Books For SAle (revised)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:06:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1993Jan21.144142.21799@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>               Dr W: Rebel's Gamble  (6th dr)     OK      

For the benefit of interested people, this really isn't
a sixth-Doctor story.  The companions are Peri Brown
and Harry Sullivan, and the Doctor wears a felt hat.  There
may even be a mention of a scarf somewhere that I've
forgotten.

It's only on the cover that you see the sixth Doctor and Peri.
Just change `Peri' to `Sarah' and think that it's the fourth
Doctor, and I'm sure you'll have the story the way it was
intended.

I think the only reason it got all Sarah references changed
to Peri and got the sixth Doctor and Peri drawn on the cover
was just to make the book seem like it was dealing with the
current Doctor Who cast at the time (which it was -- I got
these two FASA books when they first came out).

There's no explanation written in to explain why Harry Sullivan
is there, even.  I tell you, it was written to be a fourth-Doctor
story.


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From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: video tape edits/ Brain Of Morbius
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:33:18 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <C1Ipt3.CJJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
>"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
>
>>Re: Brain of Morbius on video.
>
>>dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk (David Bisping) wrote:
>
>>-> You're right just checked by tape, it gives a 100 mins running time
>>-> with a flash on the tape box proclaiming 'complete unedited
>>-> episodes'.
>
>> Does this latest release include the sound effects that were previously
>>missing from the broadcasted version?

	Despite what it says on the packaging, the new video of
Brain Of Morbius is very slightly edited, but on this occasion through no
fault of BBC Video. It's not a great deal missing, just a short
section of incidental music which was included on the original BBC TV
broadcast but has never appeared since on any repeat,video or exported version.
Quite why this is is something of a mystery.
	This fact was pointed out by Mark Ayres in the fanzine the
Frame about a year ago. He presumably has a video/audio copy taken
from the original broadcast.
					...Jonathan Morris

>>dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:00:24 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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I've seen one similar scene with Tom Baker.  It's in the BBC's 1979
VT Christmas tape they put together with a load of outtakes and do
a few in-joke skits.

It's very brief, but has the Doctor, K9 and Mary Tamm's Romana on
the floor.  Mary nods her head in a Romana-like way, as Tom explains
in a Doctor-like way, "No-one in this fucking piece will shut up."

Unfortunately, because the outtake is in a quick montage of outtakes
from various shows (the order of the names, using the first letter
of some and the second letter of the others, spelled "fucking arseholes"
when all the programme names are viewed vertically), there is no context
to go on for explanation.

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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Companions (Part 1/3) was Re: Companions list
Keywords: needed,soon
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 05:36:37 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:

-
-       One tiny tiny tiny little error in the companions list...Polly
-       has/had a surname - Lopez, as referred to in 'The Faceless
-       Ones'. For some reason this is subject to some debate
-       i.e. Gary Russell doesn't believe it...
-                                       ...Jonathan Morris

Hold it!! Are you sure that it's Poly, or her doppleganger who was called
Lopez?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Birthdate: 29 Jan 1969, Redhill, Surrey, England, UK
From: jso8015@venus.tamu.edu (OSBORNE, JOHN SCOTT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re:BONKERS!
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:41:00 GMT
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Sorry, Wrong group!  Please don't flame. :-)

Scott Osborne
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TERMINUS on video.
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:11:54 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:


>In article <C13MAJ.Ew5@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>>they've decided to put the photographs on the back of the TERMINUS cover back
>>to front. 2 out of 3 definately. Not sure about the pic of the Black Guardian.
>>  How I spotted it? The actors faces seemed a bit strange looking, but the
>>giveaway was the Doc's celery being on the wrong lapel.

>This is not an error.

>This is a reasonably common printing technique.  Pictures can't always be
>found to face in a proper direction (can't have people looking off the
>box -- they must be looking toward the center), so the graphic designer
>will simply have the picture flip-flopped.

>The only possible error was in flipping a photograph with something in it
>that obviously will look wrong, if indeed a stick of celery on one's jacket
>can be considered obvious.  I suppose it could be, but I also suppose that
>there wasn't an alternative -- flip-flopping usually is a last resort,
>either because a particular design had been come up with, but not all the
>appropriate photographs, or because there wasn't enough time to redesign
>the cover, so the flipflop was done.

 I haven't got the box to hand to confirm whether they are looking towards the
centre, but I do know for a fact that the Black Guardian is looking OFF the
box, so that contradicts that theory.
     ____________
     |          |
     |          |    BG=Black Guardian
     |          |
     | BG       |         [] = other picture.
     |          |
     |          |    Since these other pictures were the flipped ones, surely
     | []   []  |     if the characters were deemed to be looking in the wrong
     |          |     direction, instead of flipping the individual pictures
     |          |      why not leave them the correct way round but SWAP the two
     |__________|        pictures over? I still believe it's an error.
Gareth
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Love and War
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:00:10 GMT
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Distribution: rec
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <DSTEINBE.93Jan26134403@emmy.nmsu.edu>, dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:


Some spoilers on Time's Crucible, none on other stories...























[On Love & War...]

|> This has to be made into an episode.  I don't care if they're not
|> making new episodes, they have to make an exception here.  Not since
|> Earthshock has The Doctor lost so much...

True. But it's probably far too broad to be made into an episode, or even a
movie. Most of the stories are, that's part of the focus.

My vote for the story that would make the best movie:

Time's Crucible

(EWWW! I hear all exlclaim...) 

Yeah, sure, it's not the best of the series (It's one of my least favories, 
story-wise!) but it's got a GREAT "feel" to it - I could almost SEE some of 
the scenes as they were being described, and they had a very cinematic feel to
them. Case in point: the grey-scroll-to-TARDIS scene. Re-read this scene, and
try to imagine it in a sort of virtual-reality setting, with a very warped and
screwed up landscape, a huge computer-generated animation of the TARDIS 
forming, etc... it would be GREAT!

|> Some of the others couldn't be made into an episode (like the
|> Timewryms that involve other Doctors), some new adventures I wouldn't
|> WANT to be made into episodes (I really enjoyed the middle Cat's
|> Cradle, but why is The Doctor even in this book?), but Love and War
|> just HAS to be made into one.    

I couldn't figure out why the second Cat's Cradle was labelled "Doctor Who"
either - maybe it was a screw-up at the WH Allen printing office???


I've said it once, and I'll say it again...


READ LOVE AND WAR!!!

8)

|> -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
|>        (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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|> * Float with the stone.         * film major, when all I really      *
|> * I try to convey what          * wanted in this life was to marry a *
|> * She's trying to condone."     * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
|> * -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
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From: ae007@yfn.ysu.edu (Daniel Newcombe)
Subject: Re: Question: Regeneration
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:29:13 GMT


Okay, If you haven't been flooded, here's one:
1) William Hartnell
2) Patrick Troughton
3) Jon Pertwee
4) Tom Baker
5) Peter Davison
6) Colin Baker
7) Sylvester McCoy

Those are the main actors.  The first two have passed on.
In "The Five Doctors" Richard Hurndall played the first Doctor.
There were also two movies made which had Peter Cushing
playing the first Doctor.
(BTW, there is no relation between Colin and Tom Baker.)
  -Dan
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From: pdl@sys.uea.ac.uk (P.D. Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Lalla Ward (Was: Whatever became on Lala Ward ?)
Keywords: Lalla Ward Romana
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:41:54 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

In article <C14FzL.GzG@ecf.toronto.edu> giggey@ecf.toronto.edu writes...
>I have been asked by a friend to enquire as to other shows that this Romana has >appeared in. She played the Romana II with Doctor #4.
>
>My friend also claimed that the actress is, in real life, a true 'Lady'. Is >anyone able to confirm this?
>
>Actually, I was curious because, post Doctor Who, I have seen nothing of her!
>At least Tom Baker is active in various ways (ie. Blackadder II: Potato)
>
>Thanks to everyone in advance to any replies whatsoever!

Firstly note that her name is spelled Lalla!

As to her where abouts today, the following was extracted from a post of
Tim Steele (tjfs@tadtec.uucp) to  alt.fan.douglas-adams  dated 13 Oct 92.

TS> I asked him about Richard Dawkins' meme hypothesis (that information
            ^^^ Douglas Adams
TS> in today's society behaves like genes undergoing evolution; a
TS> successful meme might be something as trivial as wearing a baseball
TS> cap backwards or as profound as the Catholic faith.  Douglas Adams
TS> replied that he agreed with almost everything Dawkins said about
TS> evolution, except that he thought memes and genes were exactly the
TS> same thing.
TS> 
TS> I knew that Dawkins was a personal friend of Adams as he had invited
TS> Adams to read from his books during last year's Royal Institution
TS> Christmas Lectures, which were excellent by the way - I have them on
TS> video.  Adams went on to say that he had recently turned 40, and at
TS> the party he had introduced Dawkins to Lalla Ward, who Adams had got
TS> to know as she once played one of Dr. Who's assistants.  Lalla Ward
TS> was once married to the actor who played Dr. Who at that time, Tom
TS> Baker.  Anyway, they must have got on well since they got married a
TS> few days ago!

                        Paul D. Ling.
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: Re: Where is Transit? (It's HERE!)
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:25:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.092159.10086@iscsvax.uni.edu>, morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> 
|> WARNING: Transit (by Ben Aaronovitch) may not be suitable for some viewers. 
|> Contains adult material, and is written rather cyber-punkishly (is that a 
|> real word?).  You may be offended.  You have been warned.

Right, this was a point I raised a while ago. So why the **** do many
British book stores shove Transit in the childen's section??????? Not
only is this immensely irritating when you have to skulk around amongst
Nancy Drew and Enid Blyton in order to find the latest new adventure,
but children can read these books and granny can unwittingly buy her 
grandchild a book full of sex, swearing and violence coz it's "Doctor
Who which is a family show".

Wake up bookstores, Doctor Who New Adventures are not for kids - thank
god, at last we're being treated like adults and the writers are waking 
up to the fact that the biggest fans of Doctor Who are the 18-30 age group,
not 5-11s.
|> 
|> Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
|> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
|> 
|> Not easily offended.

Happy Halibut II (who now shops at WHSmith in Hove because they've woken
up and put the new adventures in the sci-fi/fantasy section where it should
be)
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