From: hackr@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:24:21 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan25.190128.3319@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
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>      Orthodox religions have CONSPIRED to KEEP US IN THE DARK about the
>           
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>                          CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
the audible life stream may well be just  a sever case of tinnitus.


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>           His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND 
>           CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as 
>           "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally 
>           guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they 
>           are still connected to their living physical bodies by a 
>           "silver cord". 
>     
>           RE-INCARNATION
>           
>                The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery, 
>           describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation 
>           as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past 
>           lives, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some 
>           of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, 
>           homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi-
>           ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
>           ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read-
>           ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS 
>           FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the 
>           Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How 
>           can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED 
>           BEFORE?!).  [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION".  Later 
>           versions are PER-VERSIONS! ]  Strong INTERESTS, innate 
>           TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a 
>           person's PAST LIVES.  For example, a strong fear of swimming 
>           in or traveling over water usually results from having 
>           DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE.  And sometimes a 
>           person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being 
>           during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. 

none of these phenomenon are conclusive proof of reincarnation.  for example, 
disliking someone that a person just met may be because that person smells 
like peanut butter (only works if you really hate peanut butter)



>           behave much better toward each other if they knew that their 
>           actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the 
>           future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! 
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>           "2nd COMINGS"
> 
>                If a Perfect Living Master physically dies ("trans-
>           lates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when 
>           that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master will 
>           meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the 
>           Soul Plane.  This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 
>           2nd Coming.  It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something 
>           that happens for everyone all at once.  People who are still 
>           waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN. 
where'd you find all of this info. anyway?
it defies any sort of logic


>     
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>           
>           PLANES OF EXISTENCE
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>                The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN 
>           major levels of existence.  Above the Physical Plane is the 
>           Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric 
>           Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), 
>           the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes.  The 
>           Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from 
>           the Physical).  The planes between (but NOT including) the 
>           Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. 
>     
>                It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological 
>           influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See 
>           the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without 
>           an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between 
>           the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. 
>     
>                The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED.  For example, a 
>           sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the 
>           Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there 
>           LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some 
>           kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a 
>           THREATENING manner.  The Christian "Heaven" is located 
>           elsewhere on the Astral Plane.  Good Christians will go there 
>           for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. 
i'm not a Christian, but i hate poor logic.


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>           SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH
> 
>                The Christian religion demands of its followers an 
>           extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more 
>           than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). 
>        
>                If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND 
>           CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), 
>           then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL 
>           CONTINUE. 
(does this mean that if you do not have some form of sever hearing loss, or 
take too many aspirins, you are condemned to eternal reincarnation?



>           Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on 
>           the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a 
>           flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar, 
>           Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as 
>           a Member.  This and other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") 
>           REPLACE blind faith. 
>     
> 
> 
>                UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>           IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 

sounds rather like blind faith  - exactly what you dislike in Christian 
religion.

> 
> 
>                                            Robert E. McElwaine
>                                            2nd Initiate in Eckankar
> 
> 
anyone who considers themselves "initiates" in secrets of higher learning
on the basis of hearing funny noises and who demands that one dessiminates these
teachings unaltered (and uncriticizable?) sounds as if they are trying to 
replicate the kind of blind faith they dislike in the christian religions
 
if you are uncritical about you're beliefs, methinks you are  heading for a 
big fall. 

what the hell is truth anyway except stuff someone else forces you to believe?

any views expressed are wholly answerable to the one who writes them
dalhousie university is not responsible for the ravings of this 
student.
** so there. **

cheryl "the hackr"(not so hacking) b.