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From: rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us (Russell Rezaian)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Clout outage this weekend.
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:41:59 GMT
Organization: DOC Data Processing Systems

As many of you noticed clout.chi.il.us was dead most of the weekend.  The
cause of this was a rather complex combination of factors, each alone
almost but not quite enough to mess things up.  The combination,
catastrophic.

First off, sometime Friday someone managed to fill up our very limited
spool space.  This caused clout to refuse connections (even for people to
pick up mail...) and to generate a whole bunch of spurious bounce messages
for mail that was later delivered.  If you saw bounce messages with an
error saying that uux failed there is a good chance that the mail actually
got through eventually.  If you recieved a bounce of this nature for
anything important, you may want to check and see if your mail did arrive.

Later Friday evening there was a problem with clout's ethernet connection
and a few router machines that connect clout to the rest of the world.
For some reason clout lost the ability to talk to all but one thing on
its ethernet, and even that link was somewhat messed up.

So, late Friday night clout was rebooted.  Shortly after this the machine
experienced a memory error, and lock up on the SCSI bus that panic'd the
machine.  It was down all the way.

The admins were unable to get in to reset the machine until late Sunday
evening, early Monday morning (about 12:15 AM).  Things seem to have been
working fine ever since then.

Even though clout was dead most of the weekend, most mail for chi.il.us
sites did not bounce.  There are secondary nameservers for the chi.il.us
domain that took over for clout when it died.  And all sites in the
chi.il.us domain have secondary MX hosts which accepted mail for them
until clout resumed operation.

So, with a very few exceptions no mail should have been lost, and no mail
for chi.il.us sites should have bounced as a result of clout having been
dead.  The only net effect for most sites will be the 2 day delay in
delivery.  A very few sites might have lost some mail as a result of an
outdated configuration entry in the nameserver database causing a delivery
addressing conflict.  This is now known about and is being addressed.

If you have any questions, or comments, feel free to contact either
myself, or one of the other clout admins.
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Russell Rezaian			|  rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us
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				|  rrezaian@earth.eecs.uic.edu
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:52:44 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

In article <Bw0Jo8.CB@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>
>	Then why has clout been down all weekend because someone tried
>	to ftp mail many megabytes of code?  I think the last few months
>	of statistics show that it is NOT working.  A few sites seem to
>	have 99% of the outbound flow, in many tens of megabytes.

    Being as you are one of only two people with the capability to have
    gone down to the U of C and *fixed* clout when it was down, I'm
    surprised that you posted this, Randy.

    Because of your apparent lack of interest, one of our clout System
    Administrators had to drive from Lisle into the city, pick up the
    other key and drive to Hyde Park at midnight Sunday night to re-
    start the Sun.  That's devotion to duty!

    Or did you purposely *not* go down so that you could post this
    response?

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From: jl@amiganet.chi.il.us (Jason Dredd)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Looking For News Site to feed
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:24:33 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I am in search of a site offering uucp news groups for feed. I am about to lose
my feed from my curret site, and am only offered mail from one other site i am
feeding from. Please send mail in regards to a site to jvl@redorc.chi.il.us OR
amiserv!redorc!jvl.
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From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: chi.mail,chi.general
Subject: Re: gargoyle terminal server
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:01:22 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Originator: wdp@gagme

In article <1992Oct1.155152.15574@news.acns.nwu.edu> jrd@cutie.acns.nwu.edu (John R. Dennison) writes:
>In article <s5VXRB3w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes:
>>
>>   My script wasn't affected, but the 'tip' server suddenly stopped working
>>if you made a >9600 baud connection. You get 'CONNECTED', and then nothing.
>
>	Hmm, sounds like what was happening to me at uumeme.chi.il.us
>	around April-May.  I could not get a connection via a Hayes
>	Optima running at 19.2Kb.  I gave up trying after a lot of

When it happened to me at 'airwaves.chi.il.us' using a USR 9600 v.22, I got
the CONNECTED prompt.  I just modified my script to expect (TED) and that
worked fine.  Now that the situation is normal again, the modified script 
still works, although I have theoriginal one saved.

William Pfeiffer
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:54:54 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>>karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM writes:
>
>No, that was karl@portal.hq.videocart.com, but that's ok.  We all make
>mistakes. :-)

    *I* didn't write that!  That's the way it came!  Don't you remember
    where you posted from?

>>    No it isn't, Karl.  You've never maintained interest in any group
>>    where you can't be a big fish in a small pond.  Remember, we go
>>    back a loooong way.
>
>Yes, Gerry, I do remember that we go back a long way.  But we deal in the
>present and future, not the past, do we not?

    [And then Karl goes on to say.....]

>>    Three years ago.  Will you ever forget?
>
>No, I won't -- for no other reason than at the time you maintained that
>you had a >right< to do what you did, you thought that I should poll your 
>site to deliver the traffic (after I had paid once already to pick it up) 
>and additionally, to this day, don't think there was an issue worth even
>a simple apology or something you "could control" in your user base.

    Apparently we *aren't* dealing in the present, are we?

    Anyhow, #1 It was pointed out to me last night that chi.mail is not
    the local news group some of us would like it to be and #2 This has
    ceased to be about clout, but about about our petty qualms.

    Therefore, I will close by saying, "You're absolutely right, Karl;
    you're always right, and anyone who argues with you is a d***
    fool."  I yield to your point 100%.

    Gerry Swetsky - Who's too busy installing Cisco routers here to be
    concerned with this. :-)

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From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell)
Subject: UUNET connection
Reply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:19:22 GMT

I am looking for a uucp site in the 708 area code to forward
a little (5-10 short pieces per week) email to uunet through
(I also just moved to Chicago).

Does anyone know of a site/administrator name, etc?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel O'Connell
Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:13:07 GMT

karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM writes:
>
>(I find myself actually agreeing with Randy here... oh no! :-)

    I hope it's not contagious. :-)

>Gerry, responses like yours are why I withdrew from participation from CLOUT 
>in its entirety after being at only a few meetings.

    No it isn't, Karl.  You've never maintained interest in any group
    where you can't be a big fish in a small pond.  Remember, we go
    back a loooong way.

>I believe the point Randy made is that CLOUT (machine in reality?) >CRASHED< 
>because someone tried to FTPMAIL a few tens of megs of code (or worse).

    I didn't argue that at all.  Gee, am I agreeing with Randy too?

>CLOUT is a VOLUNTEER system. 

    And I'm one of the volunteers.  And if I'd had a key to the
    computer room on Sunday, I'd have gone down and restarted clout.

>This is why I made my own arrangements for my home machine, and why I am 
>now going to pay my own money to get a real Internet link (yeah, Ddsw1.MCS.COM 
>is going "live" soon). 

    I knew you had another reason for responding to this thread.  Well,
    not to be outdone, did you know that vpnet now has seven phone
    lines, three for contributing users only?  We now support 1200 and
    2400 baud as well as V.32, V.32bis, PEP and HST.  Also we have not
    one, not two, but THREE Trailblazer lines.

    There, now we're even; except for one thing.  We're talking about
    what we already have.

    End of farting contest.

>I'm not going to get bashed 
>in the head by people like yourself for providing a free service that costs 
>me mucho dollars out of my own disposable income bucket.  

    Oh, now we're on a different subject?

>If someone's going to bash in my head, by Gods I'll at least try to break 
>even on my investment!

    So my providing free news feeds is costing you money?  Am I the
    villan here?

>I've had my share of idiots FTPMAILing things like alt.binaries.pictures.*
>archives, or the MIT "X11" source -- some of them from YOUR system Gerry --
>passing through ddsw1. 

    Three years ago.  Will you ever forget?

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From: rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us (Russell Rezaian)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: clout uucp stats
Keywords: weekly summary
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:09:44 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: DOC Data Processing Systems

In article <Bw0Jo8.CB@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>	Then why has clout been down all weekend because someone tried
>	to ftp mail many megabytes of code?

Sorry if I gave you the impression that that was ftpmail.  It wasn't.

The transfer that filled clout's spool Friday was initiated manually by
someone from one of his accounts to annother.  He sent one file.  He has
been contacted, and asked to be careful.

>	I think the last few months
>	of statistics show that it is NOT working.  A few sites seem to
>	have 99% of the outbound flow, in many tens of megabytes.

Before we start into this discussion I think a little bit of traffic
analysis might be in order.  After all, we don't currently have any
reliable way of telling what percentage of those figures is devoted to
what.
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Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: Whats wrong (?) with clout?
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:42:23 GMT


Greetings:

I have been unable to contact clout for pickup of mail all weekend.

The login script gets as far as 'translating CLOUT.CHI.IL.US ... and dies.

Also, a friend had her mail bounce at gargoyle today (she is writing from
mixcom.com in milwaukee) The bounce message states 'service unavailable'.

Whats up, fellows?

Bill


Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: akcs.chrisc@vpnet.chi.il.us (chris campanelli)
Newsgroups: chi.eats
Subject: Goose Island Brewery
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:55:03 CDT

Goose Island Brewery is located on the west end of the mall located at
1800 N. Clyborn.  Parking is abundant and free.  The menu is pub grub
(burgers, clubs, soups, salads, fish, etc.)  The menu prices range
anywhere from $5 upto $15 for some daily fish specials.  The beer is
excellent.  They normally have about six different styles of beer
available at any one time.  They sell a beer sampler, the price escapes
me, which comprises all the beers currently on tap served in 6 oz
glasses.  This is a nice way to go if your unsure about which style you
may like.  The staff is educated about the beer and will answer any
questions you may have about their beer.  Brewery tours are on Sundays
only, you'll have to call for the time.

     Next door to Goose Island, inside the mall, is probably THE nicest
pool hall I have ever seen.  Clean, comfortable and pricey.  On one of
the other mall levels is a miniture golf course.  There are also art
galleries, book stores and artsie-junk places.  The mall is worth
checking out.  The Remains Theatre is on the top level.

Oh yeah.  The beer at the Goose is $3.00 for a 16 oz pint.  A decent
price all things considered.
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: food
Keywords: food
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:05:15 GMT

In article <2ad760e8-8a.1chi.eats-1@vpnet.chi.il.us> akcs.plato@vpnet.chi.il.us (Daniel Lindahl) writes:
>If you ever get near I-55 and 1st avenue, there are a couple of amazing
>burrito places in the Summit area just off of Archer at about 62nd 
>street.  The prices are low (getting slightly higher as the places get
>larger and slightly more commercialized) and the food great if you
>don't mind a lot of things you really wouldn't want to tell your 
>doctor about in detail.  I prefer El Farol, but there is another just
>down the street and across.  Opinions vary.  Try them both.

I've never been to El Farol, but I've been to El Famous Burito zillions
of times - and I've never gotten sick or anything remotely like that.

Going to El Famous is kind of a ritual thing at my office (in Hyde Park).
For a while there, we were going once or twice a week.  Strongly
recommended - It's the best $2.75 burrito I've ever had...

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From: spud@infopls.chi.il.us (jim smuda)
Newsgroups: chi.eats
Subject: Re: German restaurants
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:39:47 CDT
Distribution: chi
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

>Does anyone know of any decent German restaurants beside Berghoff?
>I've been th

        Try Zum Duetchen Eck (sp?), I've always enjoyed the food there, 
on Southport just south of Belmont, or the Golden Ox, which has been 
recommened but I havent tried.  For tavern fare Reese's Beer Stube on 
Irving north of Damen a GREAT goulash soup.  Hope this helps.

                                CHARLIE SPUD

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From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: Dinner before the opera...
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:12:02 GMT

Hey Max,
Try Le Bordeaux in the Lower Level of the Stone Container Bldg. (Mich. &
Randolph) 332-5454  or the City Tavern at 33 W. Monroe (near Dearborn).
We also often go to Pegasus, 130 S. Halsted, but that's because we go
with people who live at UIC, and we have a car. Still, there is a bus
that goes back downtown, and the el is right there.

Drop me an e-line -- which night do you go? Might be able to give you
a ride if your subscription is the same as ours. --Debbie

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From: akcs.phalynn@ddsw1.MCS.COM (phalynn powers)
Newsgroups: chi.eats
Subject: food
Keywords: food
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:00:03 GMT

I am beginingg to thnik i am one of the few who loves to eat....thanks
for the feedback on pizza..i found two more places to add to my za list.
Thanks!

I am now looking for a great mexican place...Taco Bandito @ Lincoln and
Dsheffiled is a favorite.  Any suggestions....phalynn
Newsgroups: chi.eats
From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (I hate you)
Subject: ethopian
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:08:54 GMT


 Does anyone know anything about Ethopian restaraunts in Chicago?  I've never had, and have heard that it's pretty good.


Tks in advance!

   


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"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
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Newsgroups: chi.eats
From: mjamroz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Margaret Jamroz)
Subject:  Goose Island Brewery
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:50:14 GMT


Tell me everything I need to know about Goose Island Brewery:

Where, how much, how's the food/beer?  I have a friend who'd like to come in
and try it over the holidays.

Thanks a heap!

Maggie Jamroz
Northwestern Univ. Med. School
From: akcs.chrisc@vpnet.chi.il.us (chris campanelli)
Newsgroups: chi.eats
Subject: Goose Island Brewery
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:55:03 CDT

Correction.  They aren't 16 oz pints.
Newsgroups: chi.eats
From: rogers@csnext.uchicago.edu (John D. Rogers)
Subject: Re: German restaurants
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.134937.2031@midway.uchicago.edu>  
tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad sei hwang) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know of any decent German restaurants beside Berghoff?  
> I've been there a thousand times and I'd like to sample the other fare
> this fine city has to offer.
> 
> Please specify location and price range.
> 

I have two northside suggestions.

You might try Heidelberger Fass.  It's on north Lincoln Avenue, about 4200  
N. (ie, between Irving Park and Montrose).  It's a little kitschy (OK,  
it's a LOT kitschy) but the food is good and plentiful.  Meals, which  
include relish tray, soup, salad, and main course with potato and  
vegetable, run from about $7 to $18.  The roast duck is good as is the  
venison schnitzel.  They also have several good German beers on tap.  This  
is perfect place for dinner on a cold autumn (or winter) evening.

You might also try the Golden Ox, on Clybourn near North Ave (1600 N).   
I've seen it referred to as the best German restaurant in the city.  I  
really can't judge because the last time I was there was the night the  
Cubs lost to the Padres in the National League playoffs, quite a while  
ago.

John Rogers
rogers@cs.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: chi.eats
From: max@tantalus.uchicago.edu (Max Ziff)
Subject: Dinner before the opera...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:09:56 GMT

Like almost everyone I know who has a Lyric subscription, I go to
the Bergoff quite a bit.  Unlike some people I know, I'm rather tired
of it.

Could anyone suggest places to go reasonably near the opera house?  Is
there a decent chinese restaurant anywhere?  I don't have a car, so I
really prefer walking distance, or a short cab ride.  I know,
Greektown is good; any unusual or new places?
--
Donald Ziff (Max)                                    ziff@cs.uchicago.edu

"Dad, do you know what _schadenfreude_ means?" -- Lisa Simpson
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 11:30:39 CDT
From: <U42641@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.eats
Subject: Re: food
 <92282.100443U30644@uicvm.uic.edu>

In article <92282.100443U30644@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U30644@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>In article <2ad38c35-6cchi.eats@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, akcs.phalynn@ddsw1.MCS.COM
>(phalynn powers) says:
>>
>>I am now looking for a great mexican place...Taco Bandito @ Lincoln and
>>Dsheffiled is a favorite.  Any suggestions....phalynn
>
>How about my mom's house?  :)

Oooo!  Can all of us who read chi.eats come to your place for supper?
Just tell your mom that 4,279 people are going to drop by next Tuesday.

:-)

>
>Joel Sanchez

        " . . . And then my thoughts, from far where I abide,
                Intend a zealous pilgramage to thee . . . "
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From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (tad sei hwang)
Subject: German restaurants
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:49:37 GMT


Does anyone know of any decent German restaurants beside Berghoff?  I've been there a thousand times and I'd like to sample the other fare this fine city has to offer.

Please specify location and price range.


Thanks in advance!


:)

tsh


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"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
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Newsgroups: chi.eats
From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Subject: Re: German restaurants
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:48:55 GMT

In article <brewer.007h@meltdown.chi.il.us> brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson) writes:
>I would suggest The Bier Stube in Frankfort.  Chef Klaus is very good, and he
>has a very good red cabbage side dish, but it is a full German restaurant and
>not too expensive.  It probably rates like the Burghoff.  It's located in
>downtown Frankfort right near "The Granary," or their central square. 
>Frankfort is just off the junction of US 30 & 45.

I agree they do have good food. Also check out Frankforts October fest
in Sept. lots of food and fun.

Joni :)
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From: spar@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (al.j.sparling)
Subject: Re: Blue Mesa
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:20:43 GMT

From article <1992Oct14.162223.26125@midway.uchicago.edu>, by tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (                 ):
>  A friend recommended a restaurant called the Blue Mesa to me recently.  
>  She said it was in Lincoln Park and served southwestern fare.  Does anyone 
>  have any comments about this place?
> 

I have eaten there three times. The first time was truely execellent, the 
second was very average, the third was above average but not excellent.
These opinions were echoed each time by the other in the group I was with,
we decided that there are at least two chefs and the good one was out on
the second visit.

Alan Sparling
ajs@stairs.att.com
E9-1-1 ALI/DMS Development

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