From: judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- Cool World applicant)
Subject: Re: PP executive says "personhood...begins a month after birth"
Originator: judi@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Washington Area Clinic Defense Task Force, Washington, D.C.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:25:28 GMT

What: <1992Jul21.161854.15664@ncsu.edu>
Who:  dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)

>>  = Stephen A Chaney [to Doug]

>> Hey, Doug, ever notice how Jay Stein whacks on and on about religious
>> bends in the PRO-LIFE camp? 
>
>Yeah, Stein seems to enjoy promoting the idea that abortion is a 
>religious issue, 

I have never made any such claim.  I do not promote this idea, and in fact
I have stated on numerous occasions that abortion is NOT a religious issue,
as far as the law is concerned.  Either support the claim or retract, please.
I'd hate to think that you misrepresent me deliberately.

>but I think his strategy will backfire badly once 
>more pro-choicers start voicing their religious views on abortion.

One more time Doug - it is okay for one's *personal* view on abortion to
be guided by religious beliefs.  It is *not* okay for abortion *legislation*
to be guided by religious beliefs.  This has always been my stated view
on t.a.

>Did you ever notice that pro-choicers back off from their "abortion
>is a religious issue" rant whenever Mark Ira Kaufman opens his mouth?
>We definitely need to get Kaufman posting more. 

I notice, Doug and Steve, that you were both VERY silent about this article:

= = = = = = = = = =
From: dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson)
Subject: Abortion is a SIN against God!

Killing babies, born or unborn, is a sin against the God that made
everything and everyone.  Children are a heritage from the Lord to be
trained and nurtured to worship and glorify Him.

Woe unto the butchers and the ones that support them.

[Bible quotes deleted]
= = = = = = = = = =

So on the one hand you get on my case for refusing to comment on a
religious statement, when you refused even to acknowledge the above
article.  In other words, pot:f(kettle)="black"

>Well, he's shown some integrity by taking a stand against Feldt's  
>pro-choice view that abortion is a religious issue, 

Of course I have Doug - because that has *always* been my position here.

>And even when asked, Stein 
>ignored Feldt's remark that "personhood begins...a month after birth". 

Because it's irrelevant.  I have already said that her belief is, if based
on religious tenets, an inappropriate basis for legislation.  Aside from
that, it makes *no* difference what I think of her comment.

>                                          Pro-choicer Feldt's remark
>       Feldt's remark that "personhood    that her logic is based upon  
>       begins...a month after birth"      a religious perspective 
>       ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Stein     Ignored the remark                Criticized the remark

          because it's irrelevant.          No, I didn't criticize this
                                            remark - I said only that it
                                            makes bad legislation.

If you really think I'm basing my pro-choice view on religious tenets,
Doug, then you haven't understood a word I've said.
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