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From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS OF THE CREATOR, AND THE PURPOSE OF CREATION
Reply-To: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:39:07 GMT

	Am i reading soc.culture.korean or am i deluded?  
Usenet is a forum for ideas and i have nothing against someone 
discussing their religious beliefs _IF IT'S PART OF A DISCUSSION OF A TOPIC
GERMANE TO THE NEWSGROUP_. Your topic hasn't the faintest relevance to the
newsgroup, any more than a kimchi recipe on rec.music.industrial.
	In short, i think others support me when i say, I DON'T WANT TO
HEAR YOUR PROSELYTIZING.  Now behave before the Olympians, the Aesir, the
Tuatha De Danaan, the 10,000 Gods, and a myriad of others unite to strike
you down.
						Yours in Abraxis,
							D. v. Brighoff
-- 
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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Sep8.020421.4869@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:12:36 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.020421.4869@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> Evangelizing is a call for new ideas. The difference is only in topic. I have
>read a lot of articles in news groups that put forward ideas to be discussed
>and studied. These ideas are usually the more controversial ones that most
>people do not think about, or not bother to know.

No, it is not.  "Evangelizing" is the the preaching of one's beliefs to others
in the hopes of winning them over.  It does not not promote any ideas for
discussion because dogma is all there is, regardless of what religion it is.
There is no "discussion" or "debate" involved as the essential theme is "my God
is better, take it or leave it."

>: appropriate in newsgroups such as this one.  Why not move it to soc.culture.islam,
>: or even talk.religion.misc?

I agree with Loren King's suggestion.

>The articles are not restricted to muslims. They are calls to people of the
>book which includes christians, and jews, and according to Irfan's
> interpretation, for all learned people.
>
>	   Aren't you a learned man? Instead of stopping this post, why don't
>you first read it, and see if you are really learned?

It depends on your use of the expression "learned man."  If your idea of being
a "learned man" is to be a living, walking biological computer which stores
information with very little intellect involved, then I am not.  I am not
against Islam or any other religion but all this proselytizing is beginning to
annoy me.  I thought the only annoying people were the Christians with their
constant "join us and be saved, reject us and be damned" theme.  Why does this
Irfan person have to get onto a similar bandwagon as those annoying Christians?

>It is dull reading for a muslim because it is not designed for us, so it cannot
>be appropriate for the religious newsgroups.

Not only Muslims.  I'm an atheist, I read it and I was bored stiff after the
first couple of lines.


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:30:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com>
  <65736@cup.portal.com> <lbabmkINNf8d@news.bbn.com>

Dear One and All; It's good to hear that Jeff is back after looking
at the sky. I have been ask if my previous lives have always been on 
the cutting edge and the answer is no they haven't. That is one way
you can usually tell whether your past life reading is true or not.
If your told by the other person that you were some great person all
the time then the information is usually just to get your money and 
make you feel good. I did spend a lifetime as a hillbilly from the 
south part of the USA and came to Calif. looking for gold. Myself
and a psychic lady in San Jose, Calif. (now) came to Body, Calif.
and Poker Flats near Oroville, Calif. looking for gold. We didn't 
find much and  didn't accomplish much in that lifetime. I did make
trips into these areas and appeared to remember them. So now you 
know about 2 of my past lives.
John Winston.
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From: chipg@access.digex.com (Chip Gallo)
Subject: Re: Scientology
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Summary: It works for me
Keywords: scientology
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:43:29 GMT
Expires: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 04:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.120651.16234@hellgate.utah.edu> llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen) writes:
>I am curious about people's experience with Scientology/Dianetics.  Maybe
>someone can explain the difference between the two.  I have a number of
>questions.

From the BASIC DICTIONARY OF DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY:
Dianetics - is defined as dia (Greek) "through", nous (Greek) "soul." It is
further defined as "what the soul is doing to the body." Dianetics is a system
of analysis, control and development of human thought which also provides
techniques for increased ability, rationality and freedom from the
discovered source of irrational behavior stemming from the mind.
Scientology - An applied religious philosophy dealing with the study of
knowledge, which through the application of its technology can bring about
desirable changes in the conditions of life. Scientology addresses the
spirit. It is used to increase spiritual freedom, intelligence, ability and
produce immortality. Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit
in relationship to itself, universes and other life.

>1) What are people's direct experience?  Good or bad?  Don't bother to respond
>  with what you have read in the media I've seen that too.

I have taken courses and received auditing (counseling) since 1978 in a
number of Scientology organizations around the country. These have been
helpful in many ways. 

>2) Why are engrams only formed in a state of unconsciousness?  Why do they
>  always have a negative effect?

Restudy the material. If someone told you this then they are passing
along their own misunderstanding(s).

>3) Why has the Church of Scientology been so aggressive in "recruiting"
>  celebrities?  Tom Cruise claims that he has totally overcome dyslexia and
>  can read at an incredible rate with superb comprehension now.  Other 
>  celebs like Anne Archer are also members.  

Why not? Entertainers benefit from increased study ability as much as 
anyone else.

>4) Why is it considered a religion?

Because that's what it is. I was married by a Minister of the CofS in
the District of Columbia and am quite legally married. 
 
>5) What about L. Ron Hubbard?  I've heard alot of nasty things about him.
>  Just judging from the back of the "Dianetics" book, he looks like a 
>  gangster.

Who have you heard nasty things from? Sorry you don't like the photo . . .

>Loren
>



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From: cary@draco.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 23:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
>
>In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes...
>>Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it.
>>Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or
>>shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and 
>>definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line.
>> 
>>Ithlial
>> 
>Look, dude, I've seen dozens of photos of meteors. I have yet to see one with
>a
>curved path. How many have you seen? How many real meteors have you seen? I've
>probably seen more than you and Winston put together. I'm speaking from what
>I've seen with my own eyes over 20 years of watching the sky, not from 
>something I got by rubbing a crystal.
>
>If you can honestly tell me that something moving many miles per second, in an
>orbit that's as close to straight as it gets except over millions of miles,
>looks to you like it's curving, then I say wake up, you're dreaming. Man-made
>satellites look and photograph, from the ground, like they're moving in dead
>straight lines, and these orbits are much more curved than any meteor is ever
>going to be.
>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com

Look you moronic dickweed you obviously don't know a fucking piece of shit 
about physics.  You are saying that even though a force is acting on the
meteor it doesn't react to it?  Christ how stupid can you be?  People went
for hundreds of years thinking that the Earth was flat based on their limited
observations.  Using your kindergarten logic the sun revolves around the
earth and the moon is a flat disc in the sky.

This has nothing to do with rubbing crystals.  If you had bothered to educate
yourself to a highschool level instead of rubbing your dick you might not
look like such an idiot now.

Ithial

(I wonder if the fact that I am an astronomer qualifies me to speak on this
topic? Or is it the fact that I have been watching the sky for years and seen 
meteors with curved trajectories?)

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash 
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash 
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 
"What, was THAT?!"
  
  
 
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:05:51 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage

In <65194@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

    By the way my dog's name is Yogi. By the way Don Showen also sent her
    a lot of material. 

Did Don send anything for your rocks to read, too?
-- 
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:09:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi>

Dear Everybody: Big Al this sounds more like a shootout at the OK Coral
but I'm game for anything. You be aware of my presence if all goes well.
That right Hari, bits means bytes.
John Winston.
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
>
>First of all, CHILL OUT, will ya?                 

Ok, I did get a little out of hand there, sorry.
>
>And third, this has nothing at all to do with physics. Obviously gravity and
>drag will pull a meteor towards the Earth some, and in many cases they'll
>be drawn right into the Earth - so what? The point is that meteor paths look
>straight from the ground. John Winston said they don't. He was wrong.
>Wanna see some meteor photos that prove it? Go ahead, show me a photo of a
>curved meteor path. Bet you have trouble finding one.
>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com

I have seen meteors follow curved paths in the sky,  I have not been so
fortunate as to photograph it.  It's probably impossible to do since
in my experience the meteor has to be visible for relatively long time,
and therefore a long path, requiring a very wide angle lense, wider
than most available I would suspect.


Ithlial

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
From: jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:06:16 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <65410@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Shirley McClain was introducing a new motion picture by the name of
> A Brief History of Time or something like that. It is the story of the 
> man from Oxford who goes around in a wheelchair and talks through a 
           ^^^^^^
> computer.

CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE


How dare you cast aspersions on the fair name of Oxford University?!!!?


Julian Porter
Mathematical Institute
University of Oxford


For lo ! I hear the sound of seven green grashoppers coming from my terminal

 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: PRC why?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.132542.25493@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>Can you tell if any physical constants are irrational? Remember PI
>represents euclidian space, our space is not euclidian, not infinite, and
>not infinitly sub dividable.

Pi represents Euclidian space?  Says who?

Pi is a number, which happens to be useful in mathematical calculations.  If
the space is not Euclidian, pi happens not to be as useful for calculating
the circumference of a circle given its diameter, but it is still useful for
other things.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS OF THE CREATOR, AND THE PURPOSE OF CREATION
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.175027.3543@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>
>
> [ even more useless nonsense deleted ]
>

Oh, for God's sake!




-- 
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From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:36:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.172111.2892@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>
>
> [ more useless religious bunk deleted to save space ]
>

Are you here again?  Bugger off and leave us alone!  This sort of thing won't
redeem your sins, you know.  If you post any more of this nonsense, I shall
have to write a strong letter to The Times about it...



-- 
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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: PRC why?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<1992Sep8.132542.25493@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Sep8.172106.13527@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:05:22 GMT

Given the fact that this is really a response to a rather silly
statement, still Ken has said something that puzzles me.

In article <1992Sep8.172106.13527@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

   Pi is a number, which happens to be useful in mathematical
   calculations.  If the space is not Euclidian, pi happens not to be
   as useful for calculating the circumference of a circle given its
   diameter, but it is still useful for other things.

Such as?  Remember that the prevalence of pi in expressions involving
transcendental functions is a result of its being the ratio between
the diameter and the circumference of a circle; i.e., a radian is
defined the way it is because a circle of unit radius has diameter of
2 pi.

If you can find uses for pi in calculations that are not dependent
upon the fact that it is the ratio between the circumference of a
circle and its diameter, I would love to hear them.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 19:41:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: My Friend Len. Part 4.
 After getting to within 1 mile of the IFO site Len checked with me again and 
at this time I was really feeling heavy. It was just as if I was on another 
planet that had a stronger gravity than ours. I thought of 
Mars and how it would probubly  take short sturdy bodies to live on such a 
planet.
 We then turned off Niles Canyon Road on to a paved road going north towards a 
town that ends with the name Valley and I really started feeling heavy. I 
was being pressed towards the back of the seat with such force that I had 
difficulty breathing. My head was being pushed back against the head rest 
and I was really bending backwards. Len then told me that we were going to 
be initiated by the people in the flying saucers. While all of this was 
happening to me his feet were feeling like they were about to burn up so he 
was being initiated too. From time to time Len would tell me when a 
spiritual space being would come into the car although the windows were 
rolled up and the car had been moving down the road. The very last thing 
that happened was that something felt like it was sticking up into my back 
to straighten it out and then a tremendous amount of energy was put into my 
back for 2 or 3 minutes. While all this was happening I had the feeling that 
my eyes should remain closed even when we were leaving the area and Len told 
me that there was an IFO following us down the road. My eyes didn't open 
until we were nearly out of the area. I did look up then
and could only make out a large bluish white light that was very big. I 
commented to Len that it couldn't be that big could it?  It looked to me to 
be about 200 feet across. Len said, "It's pretty big".
 Len also showed me an area near where we had our experience that a person 
from Fremont, Calif. had made a plaster of paris cast of the footprint of a 
Sasquatch (hairy 8 foot humanoid beings, sometimes called Big Foot, and on 
the mountains of Nepal

 a different species is called Yeti or abominable snowman). The person that 
made the cast of the Big Foot also had a daughter who was a changeling. 
 End of Part 4. John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Subject: Re: Sickness and Meditation/Retreats
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.200335.23512@cco.caltech.edu> tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi) writes:
>I was talking (over the net) to a friend of mine, and she said that
>she, too, gets some wierd symptoms/sicknesses right before a long
>retreat with her teacher.
>
>I'm assuming that we aren't the only ones who get sick before weekend
>retreats etc...
>
>	Why is it that these illnesses occur before and during
>	these retreats?
>
>To tell you a little about what happens to me, I get hemorrhoids and 
>occasionally other stomach illnesses about a week before I'm 
>going to leave.
>
>	Any of you guys have some theories about this occurence?
>	Anyone else have such experiences?
>
>Toshi
>tt@wag.caltech.edu

Sounds like nerves.

-- 
John Emery		"You say we've risen to a new age of light.
emery@tc.fluke.COM       You're telling me what used to be wrong
			 is now right."
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From: menees@utkvx3.utk.edu (Menees, Bill)
Subject: RE: Scientology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 05:15:00 GMT

If you can get the group, alt.religion.scientology would probably be the best
place to continue your inquiry.  However, since it is a alt group, you might
not be able to...
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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:53:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Okay guys, I'm gonna try an experiment.

Hypothesis:  It is possible for John Winston to send his picture to me using astral travel, or whatever he calls it.

Procedure:  John has agreed to help me out with this, so next wednesday at 11:00(Hey, what time zone!) I'm gonna chant or stick a mango in my ear or whatever it takes to get him to send me his picture.  Then he's gonna send it snail mail.
I'll compare pictures and report back.

I'm going in stating that I have never ridden the astral convoy before, nor beena member of any religious, new age, or spiritual organizaton.  My intrest in this is solely scientific.  Mail hasmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (my dad) if you don't believe me.  I am endeavoring to remain belief neutral until the experiment is over.

Big Al.  who is reading sci.skeptic.  Maybe will add some data.
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