HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.140833.20386@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>The best thing about buying his books is, of course, that you support The
>Dave himself, and not hangers on like Brad Templeton with vested interest
>in making sure his columns, including those not in collections, are not
>shared.

Gee, and here I thought Brad and Clarinet were doing me a great service by
providing me with each and every Barry column, unedited, so that I don't 
have to end up supporting my local newspaper. I dare suspect that on a 
per subscriber basis, Dave Barry does better than he does with any newspaper.
-- 
John Switzer               | "What we have here is a failure to 
                           | masticate."
Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, after
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.
From: burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:25:22 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Harvard University

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
`brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

`>Buy his books of columns.  Buy papers with his column.  Buy a subscription
`>to his column from us if you like, but don't steal it.

`The best thing about buying his books is, of course, that you support The
`Dave himself, and not hangers on like Brad Templeton with vested interest
`in making sure his columns, including those not in collections, are not
`shared.

Thanks for the warning!  Here I was thinking that the exorbitant price
of hardback books was going into the pockets of fat-cat publishers with
a vested interest in making sure that his columns were not shared.

If you want to support Dave without going through hangers-on, mail him a
check.  I'm sure he'd appreciate it.  If you want to read his column,
buy it from an authorized publisher who has paid The Dave for the rights.

-- 
John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu)
        "Don't get mad at an elf."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Dave Barry Full Gift Guide
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.051350.2225@vpnet.chi.il.us> cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes:
> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>>So I'm interested to know if newspapers did indeed print the whole thing
>>or not, or if they edited out these parts.
>
>The Chicago Tribune did not print the following:
>
<<missing a few items>>
>- Duck Butts

They didn't do the Duck Butts?!? Geez, that has got to be my favorite
gift for this year, and I thank Dave for pointing out that these things
make great punch decorations!
-- 
John Switzer               | "What we have here is a failure to 
                           | masticate."
Compuserve: 74076,1250     | -- Dr. Clayton "Firebrand" Forrester, after
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | TV's Frank is unable to eat his 13th turkey.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
Subject: Re: Dave Barry Full Gift Guide
Reply-To: hevans@estcs1.dnet.estec.esa.nl
Organization: European Space Research and Technology Centre
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.051350.2225@vpnet.chi.il.us>,
cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes:
|>The Chicago Tribune did not print the following:

.......... entirely too much deleted by the Trib .......
|>
|>As you can see, the Chicago Tribune (Official Slogan: "We're NOT the
|>Oregonian!  Really!") just cut this piece to shreds.
|>


Didn't they include any of the gift ideas?  Almost a case of the Censor
that stole Xmas.

Hugh.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:29:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.161502.12503@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>Yet I get the impression
>from Brad's comments that if I receive my column from Clarinet, and then
>choose to share it with some friends by forwarding it to them, that this
>*is* a copyright violation.  How about if I print the article out for my
>own collection, and then let someone borrow the hard copy?  It seems that
>there are some fuzzy areas around this issue.  Anyone care to attempt
>clarification?

Well, in a technical sense, all those things (except lending the book) are
violations.  Some however, are worse than others.

If you mean forward one or two articles a year to a friend, that is one
thing.  If you mean forward every article or almost every article, we would
suggest the friend get her or her own subscription.   If you print an
article on paper -- and erase the electronic version -- that could probably
be passed around.   Printing it on paper and keeping the electronic version
would be similar to photocopying a book and passing the copies around, keeping
the original book.

Authors would, of course, prefer to get a little money for each reader, but
they know that with libraries and books that get passed around that this is
not possible.  They live within the limits.  One limit is that many people
don't or don't want to loan out books, and that books often disappear when
you loan them out, etc.   This allows the author to make a living selling
books.

In the electronic world, we can't be so free, because there is no danger,
and there are few difficulties, in "loaning" out electronic copies, particularly
when you have a backup around.    Both authors and readers would much prefer
a world where the author gets $6 from 2000 readers instead of $10 from 1000
readers who each send a copy to a friend.

The electronic problem gets worse because the friend's copy is just as good
as the original.  With a book, if you borrow one from a friend, you would
be very unlikely to loan it to another friend, and so on.  If you let that
happen the book is sure to never make it back to the original owner.

In the electronic world, you will find authors and publishers will have to
be more protective against casual loaning to ensure that it doesn't become
widespread and go off in long chains.  On the plus side, as more people in
the world have access to electronic sources, there will be no such thing
as a "hard to get book."   Rather, if you want to refer somebody to a book
you will just point to it, rather then giving them a free copy.  And they
will go to the real author, pay a quite reasonable fee and get their own.

In fact, how reasonable that fee will be is something you'll learn about
next year from us.  Watch the skies.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: article offer retracted
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:51:20 GMT

--Brad Templeton, Clarinet News sent me a quick note re copyright of DB's
articles, said I couldn't -- forget actual words since his note is in my
mail file -- advertise them over the net.  Didn't think I was ADVERTISING,
just responding to a request and trying to be helpful.  Money rears its head
here.

So I retract my offer.  My collection is only for me to enjoy and chuckle
over, long after the newspaper has been recycled into ?.  Perhaps you should
ask Brad how to get those back articles if you've missed them. 
Deb                                              dI d
dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 14:18:36 MST
From: <AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: DB Does Japan

I think it was flat-out his best book.

David Hungerford  AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET  Opinions?  Mine, all mine!!!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick)
Subject: Crazed Telephone Machine
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:12:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


The strangest thing happened to me the other day. A computer called me up.
It then told me that it was busy, and it was going to put me on hold.
Then it started playing elevator music. I'm not making this up.

--
*Jeremy Follick                                   follick@chama.eece.unm.edu
*
*                   I should be doing real work.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: Dave Barry Full Gift Guide
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:13:50 GMT

 brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>So I'm interested to know if newspapers did indeed print the whole thing
>or not, or if they edited out these parts.

The Chicago Tribune did not print the following:

- Spider vs Club comparison chart

- Bull Scrotums

- Worm Blower

- Christopher Columbus Trick Candy

- Cap Buddy

- Finger Light

- Boogers  (The ultimate D.B.-type gift idea!)

- Duck Butts

- Inspirational Night Light

- Kentucky Thumbstick

As you can see, the Chicago Tribune (Official Slogan: "We're NOT the
Oregonian!  Really!") just cut this piece to shreds.

I'm not making this up.


-- 
----------------------------------------------------
Gordon S. Hlavenka           cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: barnesdo@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas barnes)
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:51:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec14.140833.20386@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>The best thing about buying his books is, of course, that you support The
>Dave himself, and not hangers on like Brad Templeton with vested interest
>in making sure his columns, including those not in collections, are not
>shared.
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

How is it that Brad Templeton (who I don't know from Adam) is a "hanger on"
for distributing Dave's columns, but the syndicators, his publishers,
etc. are not also "hangers on?" In fact, when it comes to leeching profits,
I'm sure the latter are much more significant in the overal scheme.

Sure, Brad does have a vested interest in this, but so do the others (a
much larger one, actually). He's just the only one who reads the net
and responds to this sort of stuff. 

If you can figure out a way that systematically distributing all of 
Dave's columns would not violate fair use and (ultimately) get the
*real* "hangers on" after your butt, please let me know.


-- 
-----------                                                   -----------
douglas barnes                               Calgon can't take me away...
barnesdo@CS.ColoState.EDU                 From the things I did today -L7
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: Dave Barry Full Gift Guide
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:27:01 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Dec14.051350.2225@vpnet.chi.il.us> cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes:
>
> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>>So I'm interested to know if newspapers did indeed print the whole thing
>>or not, or if they edited out these parts.
>

the arizona daily star (also known as the arizona red star to conservatives, 
not that i am one) did not print the following:

>- Spider vs Club comparison chart
>
>- Christopher Columbus Trick Candy
>
>- Boogers  (The ultimate D.B.-type gift idea!)
>

i can understand the columbus candy part, as we are still getting over the 
columbus day/columbus telescope lunacy with all the native americans around
here. heck, i'm an astronomer, but i wouldn't have named the damn thing 
columbus, either. if nothing, it's bad p.r. (note to those not familiar 
with the red squirrel/native american hoax: the astronomical community
is building three telescopes on mt. graham, AZ; a site claimed by a minority
of indians to be sacred to their tribe, regardless of the opportunity
they had 8 years ago to halt the proceedings legally). 

i am not making this up (i wish i were).

bah.
--
		    -just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:15:02 GMT
Organization: EDS Research

I'm curious about something that this thread brought to mind.  I have every
book Dave ever wrote (I think) and don't feel bad about buying them (I buy
LOTS of books).  I also subscribe to Dave's column through Clarinet.  I
frequently lend copies of books to friends, including Dave's books.  I
assume that this is no violation of copyright.  Yet I get the impression
from Brad's comments that if I receive my column from Clarinet, and then
choose to share it with some friends by forwarding it to them, that this
*is* a copyright violation.  How about if I print the article out for my
own collection, and then let someone borrow the hard copy?  It seems that
there are some fuzzy areas around this issue.  Anyone care to attempt
clarification?

Incidentally, I appreciate the Clarinet service very much.  I get my
article about a week before it appears in the local paper, it is complete,
the year's subscription was very reasonable (about $10 as I recall, but
don't quote me), and I don't even have to go buy a paper to get it.  I just
log on, and once a week, there it is, waiting for me in my mail box.  Those
of you who hold some kind of grudge against Brad Templeton for his part in
this service are just a bunch of cheap skates.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: ntraven@wuntvor.pillar.com (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: DB Does Japan
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:50:06 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK


     What did you all think of this book?  I'm still in the middle of it, but
I've been laughing my rear appendage off all weekend.  My favorite: the helpful
footnotes.


NR

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  "If God did not exist          "Do you know what a love letter is?"
   it would be necessary                 -Dennis Hopper  "Blue Velvet"
   to invent him."               "There is no delight the equal of dread" 
          -George B. Shaw                -Clive Barker

phluuke@maria.wustl.edu                 ntraven@here
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
Subject: Not exactly on topic, but it's funny
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:02:40 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

My father found this in the Winnipeg Free Press. I am not making this
up:

          A member of Sinn Fein, the legal political wing of the Irish
          Republican Army died yesterday in hospital after he was shot dead the
          night before, police said.

Hmmm.... Grist for Dave's mill?

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.042656.14949@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shark) writes:
>I have some good news, and some bad news.  The good news is that I found a
>Dave Barry folder at the ftp site 132.206.27.10.  The path is: 
>/pub/docs/misc/dave_barry.  Now for the bad news:  access is denied.  Maybe
>if enough people send e-mail, they'll change it.

It seems there are too many reminders of this in this newsgroup, and yet
with two items in one day it is clear that there aren't enough.

Dave Barry makes his *living* by writing these columns and selling them.
It would be bad news if they opened up access to a folder like that,
because stealing columns is not the way to be good to a man you supposedly
admire.

Buy his books of columns.  Buy papers with his column.  Buy a subscription
to his column from us if you like, but don't steal it.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry
From: carter_r@synapse.bms.com (Richard B. Carter)
Subject: Re: good news/bad news
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:08:33 GMT

What exactly is the cost of receiving Dave via Clarinet?  Are the articles
received site-wide or via e-mail?  Enquiring minds want to know....

-- 
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R.B. Carter                                          Internet: Carter_R@bms.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.naked-guy,rec.nude
From: dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer)
Subject: Nudity in California (was: Re: NUDE SLUGS make appearance in bio class)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:17:06 GMT

In article <1gf3kpINNo7t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
>Word has it that the other day in an upper division bio class about five
>students decided to wish one of their friends a happy birthday by walking
>into the middle of class and singing to her.  The Catch?
>It seems this coed group of 5 was buck naked with the words "HO HO HO" written
[...]


I guess I am missing something here.  This group apparently walked 
around stark naked on a school campus, and was not aprehended.  In a
recent posting, someone else described how a group of people walked 
stark-naked through a bunch of city streets doing a demonstration
(the nude acting group).  Before that, someone posted that the Naked Guy
went to an exam stark naked.  The posting said he "got away with it"
becuase he sat in a back row and came in early.  Didn't anyone (the
professor?) say anything when the Naked Guy walked to the front of the
class (naked) to turn in his exam?

My real question, though, concerns the legality of Nudity in 
California.  Is it *really* legal to walk around buck naked on
city streets, college campuses, etc?  If it is, then why the
comments about "got away with", or "weren't apprehended"?  And I
wonder why people haven't been going naked all along?

-- 
----
\  /  David Archer
 \/         dza@unixland.natick.ma.us
From: giamomj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike G.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.naked-guy
Subject: Re: Where's the Naked Guy?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:56:44 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

Subject: Where's the Naked Guy?
From: Michael Dautermann, myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu
In article <1gq5jlINNc0c@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Michael Dautermann,
myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu writes:
>
>All this talk about protests and topless revolts and all that...
>  
>I haven't heard too much about Berkeley's famous undergraduate?
>  
>Where has the Naked Guy gone?  Was his suspension lifted?
>Or has he gone under cover (cough)...

Mike - 

From what I've read locally in the Phila. papers, the Berkeley Naked Guy
is now wearing
a skimpy paisley colored bandanna to cover his genital area...I was
hoping I could find
out a few things about all of this myself. I was wondering things like
"does he get
erections at inopportune times in front of people, is he clean, friendly,
weird, sexy,
hung, etc..." Any news???
Xref: sparky alt.fan.naked-guy:159 rec.nude:5977
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.naked-guy,rec.nude
Subject: The Naked Guy appears (nude of course) in People DEC 21st issue
Summary: Not to be confused with the National Enquirer issue
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Check out the DEC 21st issue of "People" (Page 101) for a short article
about Andrew Martinez, Berkeley's "Naked Guy".  The article, which is
superimposed upon a picture of Martinez and his towel atop a roof, begins "A
believer in full disclosure, wherever it leads...".

The caption on the picture reads: "When I'm walking around I sometimes hear,
`Yeah, righ on, Naked Dude'".

Terry

PS: Also check out page 108 for a picture of the "First Cat", Socks (the
letters of said Cat's name sound out "That what it is" in Spanish), who is
suffering from media stress.  Kitty Valium may be required.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.naked-guy,rec.nude
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Nudity in California (was: Re: NUDE SLUGS make appearance in bio class)
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<edKR027b2evh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:41:15

In article <foo> agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
   In article <bar> dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer) writes:
   >My real question, though, concerns the legality of Nudity in 
   >California.  Is it *really* legal to walk around buck naked on
   >city streets, college campuses, etc? 

   It is not legal to be naked in California.  It is illegal just like
   most other places.  

Well, actually, I'm not a lawyer, but my lawyer friends :-) all tell
me that the only relevant state provision prohibits `public lewdness'
or some such.  Given that many believe nude =/= lewd, public nudity is
not, in principle, a problem for the state.  (Just ask Cecil Perkins,
my pal who got arrested -- and let off the hook -- for public lewdness
after he streaked a United Airlines flight from L.A. to S.F.!  Cecil's
First Rule of Streaking:  `Make Sure There's An Exit')

Many counties and cities within the state have anti-nudity ordnances.
Perhaps the most absurd one is Los Angeles, which, among other things,
prohibits the public display of *any* portion of a woman's breast
below the uppermost part of the nipple.
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
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