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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: That wacky electoral college
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:58:08 GMT

huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:

>You'd prefer to have your U.S Senators selected by your state legislature?

I think I would.  It might restore a balance between federalism,
states' rights, and populism.  (States' rights are virtually
non-existent these days.)  And perhaps those sent to the Senate by
people who have actually had experience with governing would be of
higher caliber than those sent up by the masses.  Would they be more
"deliberative" and independent from transitory pressures in drafting
and passing legislation?  I don't know, but it could hardly be worse.
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: Hints
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:14:27 GMT

tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer) writes:

>Julie Wright (julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu) wrote:

>> Personally, I'm starting to wonder if Kiran's going out with Seth's
>> XSO.  :)

>That's amazing! I was going to make the same observation! :)

Perhaps the Enquirer will hire us.  On the other hand, it's probably not
a good enough effort.  Let me modify that:

Personally, I'm starting to wonder if Kiran's going out with the offspring
of Elvis' love child and the ambassador from Jupiter with the prickly 
feelers.  You know, the one Seth used to go out with, right after she
amazed docs by giving birth to 19 cantaloupes.

---Julie
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From: tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Hello?
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: tps@jptcs.com
Organization: JPT Computer Solutions, Port Jeff Station, NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Someone PLEASE email me if they see this! Thank you kindly....

-- 
Tim Sailer
JPT Computer Solutions - SCO Sales/Consulting/Administration and Mangling
Port Jefferson Station, NY
(516) 331-9001
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: daniel@clsi.COM (Daniel Barclay)
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female  boy/guy/male
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
	<1992Nov11.151636.7524@b8.b8.ingr.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:35:44

> Where do you meet "women who will lead you astray"?
> ..
> Straying men want to know.
> Larry Billings

(Thinking to myself:
Hmmm.  
Why is it the stray_ing_ men who want to know?  Don't they already know the 
"astray-leading" women?  I would think that (some of) the non-straying men 
would want to know.

Damn, I must have missed another clue. ;-)  )
--
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,general
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Response to Hi Ho Silver
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.185013.4227@cs.cornell.edu>, karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.140853.25426@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
> >***************************************************************************
> >NEWSIG
> >Wantad: Single White Male "WITH" job seeks Single Female with job and 2 or
> >more kids.  Object: Marriage so we can avoid Clintons tax increases.
> >***************************************************************************
> 
> I have bad news for you: a married couple who are both well-employed
> pay a HIGHER Federal income tax than the combined taxes they would pay
> if they were not married.  This is the well-known "marriage tax" which

I'm refering to Clintons promiced reduction of taxes for a family of four
making 80,000 or less.

> Thirdly, if the two of you have comparable incomes, by combining
> incomes you increase your chance of being classified as "wealthy" and

I'm a looong way from the classification of wealthy, she would have to make a 
lot more than before we had to worry.

> 
> One way to substantially improve your tax situation is to marry a
> woman with kids who is (or will be) without paid employment, or is
> severely underpaid.  That is, you have the option of using your
> hard-earned dollars to feed, clothe, and house some stepchildren
> rather than sending them to the government, if you so choose.

You forgot filing for bankruptsy, which I'd have to do if I attempted to
raise a family on my pay alone.

> 
> Well, that beats that joke to death.  One last piece of advice: for a
> joke to be funny, it has to resonate with reality as we know it.  You
> don't get a lot of yuks nowadays by ridiculing people who claim the
> Earth is round.

I based the joke on what the man said, and since he got elected, that would
be reality as we know it.

> 
> -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
> 
> 
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female  boy/guy/male
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:45:40 GMT

In article <BxH37C.n4H@news.udel.edu> todd@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
>This summer I dated a very nice person. She was extremenly intelligent and extremely committed to her
>beliefs.  Her major point of involvement was women issues, their involvement with politics and their 
>involvement with social issues.  To her, a most degrading statement was to reply to her as a girl,  She was
>a woman.  She was offended when the term   MANkind was used, PERSON kind was more appropiate.
>I think you get the picture.  I respect this point of view, as being her point of view and she has every right 
>to posess it.  Her "goal" is to have the Dec. of Indep. changed to ... All PERSONS are created equal..., so on
>and so forth.
 
Sounds like a bad inferiority complex.
 
>
>I have been talking with a collegue, whom is female, and find that when ever I use gender-neutral terms, she 
>tries to comfort me and explain that she does not need for me to maintain my neutrality when we talk.  She knows
>who she is and that she is a woman. She is not offended by terms like Mankind.  The only difference between the
>two women I discuss is that the second person is in my opinion, much more confident in her self, as a person.
>Todd
 
This person sounds normal. Stay away from her or or you won't get the 
opportunity to post a sob story about how women have led you astray.

 
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: marital counciling
Organization: my opinions only
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:46:45 GMT

In article <Bx85v8.GIG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:

[Quote from Will Cuppy omitted]

>There.  Maybe that will help to keep you warm through those 
>cold and lonely city nights...

There are better ways to keep warm through these cold city nights...

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: euamts@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Henricson)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Argh! Total, Complete misery.
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:05:08 GMT
Reply-To: euamts@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

In article 1dduoeINNhnd@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU, loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
#kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
#
#   It's perfectly possible to be miserable and still have high
#   self-esteem.  If you're miserable because some goal of yours is
#   eluding you, you can still feel confident about other things, and,
#   more importantly, -worthy- of happiness, even of the goal that's
#   eluding you.

This is true - I consider myself to be the best guy on this planet,
but when it comes to relationships I'm stuck with bad luck. Sometimes
I feel happy just bacause I'm unlucky! It's like: "OK, the risk of
getting into this mess is one in a million, and the laws of statistics
pointed at me, ME! Isn't it great". I'm NOT joking!

#Also, I think it's important to distinguish between "healthy"
#miserable feelings such as you describe, and depression.  When you're
#seriously depressed, it's hard to keep your feelings so conveniently
#compartmentalized.  Depressed people typically do think of themselves
#as being unworthy of happiness, and find that their unhappiness spreads
#into other parts of their lives beyond whatever frustrated goal that's
#the immediate problem.

This is not generally true, from the same reason as above. I had the first
depression in my life two weeks ago (slowly coming up now), and this was
from this "Jeeesus - why on earth should *I* be so out of luck?" reason.

Mats Henricson
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: being between "Just Friends" and "relationship" and "kill me".
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:45:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.193901.4038@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <5688@jptcs.COM> tps@jptcs.com writes:
|>james.j.dutton (jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
|>: Which brings up another interesting topic. Why do you think (apart from the
|>: fear and preoccupation) hamsters are usually brown on top and white on
|>: the bottom? Do you think they believe in themselves or figure it's just
|>: an illusion? I'll post a summary starlit night later. 
|>
|>Could it be because I turn the toaster oven on broil instead of toast?
|>I hate it when the bottoms don't get done! :)
|
|I love their lil bottoms too.

And Marvin was just saying that he would just see the same topics over
and over and over.  So, tell me,  when was the last time hampster butts
were discussed here?  That and Welsh sheep (make that lots and lots of
Welsh sheep) in the same day.  Who would'a thunk it?
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: That wacky electoral college
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.174602.21218@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
>                                      Doing away with it has been proposed
>for as long as I can remember (of course that is last week, my mind sorta
>self destructed when Clinton won :( ) 

Generally the proposals surface whenever someone is elected with a minority
of the popular vote.

>I think that should be a NON-partician (sp?) goal for the next 2 to 4 years
>along with the following.
>
>1. Do away with the electoral college!
>   [it is my understanding that it was formed because so many people couldn't
>    get to the cities to vote, so the town/community would vote locally and
>    send a town representative to the city.  It is no longer needed.]

There is no requirement in the Constitution that the electors be chosen by
popular vote, and in elections prior to 1824 many were chosen by state legis-
latures.

>2. Set term limits!  
>   [Does anyone know the results of the 14 states which had that on the 
>    ballot this time?  I haven't heard.]

Neither have I although a charter amendment to limit the terms of county
council members in my county passed despite my voting against it.  There's
a simple remedy for getting rid of elected officials (vote them out at the
next election), but it's difficult to attract and hold good people, and I
don't care to have my right to continue voting for good people abridged by
some "dead hand."  Likewise, I favor repeal of the 22nd Amendment.

>3. Balanced budget admendment!
>   [speaks for it's self.]

Yes, another attempt to govern by a "dead hand."  Read John Maynard Keynes.

>4. Line item veto!

This is a good idea.

>5. Check box for declaring 10% of your taxes to go against deficit!

Don't you mean to retire the national debt?

>6. Reduction of time running for election!
>   [I don't think 1 to 1 1/2 years is needed to play politics for the upcoming
>   election.]

It's more like four years for the Presidential candidates.  There's already
talk about Gramm, Kemp, or Quayle (my ordering is merely alphabetic) in '96.

-- Herb Huston
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Haitian Part Two
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:19:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.002925.16789@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>  Since we were the only two guys working for the inspection lab, the Haitian
>and I, we shared a house. Our company was given a four-bedroom house with
>a kitchen, dining room/living room, etc. His thing was the kitchen. 
>
>I talked with other guys who had worked with him, and they had had similar
>experiences. Was it because I was twenty-five years old and he was fifty?
>No. Guys older than him had the same troubles when he was their co-worker.
>
>Well, I spent another few months there with him the next year because I needed
>the money. It was even worse than fall '89! Suffice it to say that after '89 
>and '90 on the project, I never went back. They offered me the job again in 
>'91 and I turned it down. Finally, by '92 the guy had been fired and the 
>job that I had done was unfortunately phased out of existence. I ended up doing
>other work for the company after the man was fired, though.   
>dreas

dreas, god in heaven man. How can you be so unreasonable?
Did ya test soiled underpants in the soil lab? I guess my mommy was right
all those years.
 
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From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Changing inner conversation (was Re: Woman From Hell Part 2)
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:03:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:

>It is this conversation which we have with ourselves at all
>times which dictates how we interpret the world around us.  If others
>are to show up for us in a different way, then we must change our own
>conversation 

Well said. So how have you gone about doing this?

--
Stef                 Reality is that which, when you stop believing
stef@apple.com       in it, doesn't go away.
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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: That wacky electoral college
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:15:08 GMT

In article <BxFBLy.8p6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
> Clinton has proposed limiting PAC contributions to the $1000 that
> individuals are limited to.  Perhaps a simpler solution would be to
> ban outright all campaign contributions by organisations, and limit
> individual contributions to a more reasonable (and affordable by the
> middle class) $100.  If organisations choose to support a particular
> candidate, they could do it by buying their own ads and endorsing him,
> rather than by contributing to the candidate's own efforts.
> 

I think that is a very good idea.  Maybe Clinton does have a good idea or two
hidden somewhere.

> 
> Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: leo@cpd.Tandem.COM (Leo Hejza)
Subject: Re: Education and the Single World
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:43:02 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Nov11204347@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>, martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <cacqncc@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>
>   Any goober with half a brain, perseverence and luck can get a college
>   degree.
>
>Would someone explain why I'm still here then?
>-

Just takt it as positive proof that you're not just ANY Goober.
                                                    ---


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Female geeks
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:33:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <c2A9qARBBh106h@wildrose.infoserv.com> rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:

>Sounds like you've got some telephone teases, Rob....

BTW, it gets better.  I got home last night to find a message
consisting of a sexy voice narrating nothing more than "The phone
number here is (XXX) XXX-XXXX."  I was too tied up making sure my new
almost-kitten and my previous cat didn't eat each other to get back to
her, but I do hope I don't get time and temperature in some foreign
city ...  :-)

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"I get so tickled debunking bad personal philosophy." - Milquetoast
Xref: sparky soc.singles:30122 soc.men:18922 soc.women:19135
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am women?
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:27:52 GMT
	<1992Nov5.204118.26325@b8.b8.ingr.com>
	<1992Nov7.004907.18226@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu's message of 7 Nov 92 00:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.004907.18226@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:

   In article <1992Nov5.204118.26325@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
   >
   >I could be wrong, but isn't a lot of the "Romance Novels" dealing with Men
   >coming to rescue Women?  If not from physical danger, then from the drudgery
   >of their "boring" (refering to the characters in the books) life?
   >
   >From what I've seen, more women purchase these than men, so my conclusion
   >would be (DRUM roll please) Not all women consider "being rescued by a man
   >to be a bad thing.
   >
   Rather than a large rant and rave, which is what I had originally intended
   for this space, let me reserve my observation to this:

   Anyone who thinks that what one reads reflects what one desires is in
   need of a very, very large clue.

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, wouldn't it have been a little
bit more fair if you'd included the other parts of what he said that
made it clear he was suggesting that many women enjoy *fantasies* of
being rescued?
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
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From: rridge@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Ridge)
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:26:07 GMT

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>Hmmm, and that brings up a questionin my mind, speaking of history
>judging ex-Presidents.  I wonder where Richard Nixon is these days?  I
>wonder why old senile Ronald Reagan is out campaigning for Bush while
>another former Republican President stays quiet?  Why DON'T they
>bring Nixon along for the ride?  After all, NIXON'S THE ONE.  I kept
>one of THOSE buttons, you betcha.

martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>Well, actually, Nixon's rehabilitation is proceeding as well.

True, he's probably the most active, and most visable of all the
former ex-Presidents still alive.

>but along the same lines, why isn't Carter stumping more for Clinton
>-- he could be a wonderful spokesman for Clinton's economic plan.

Probably for the same reason you didn't see Reagan "stumping" for
Bush, they've both (more or less) retired from politics. 

>Disagree with the Republicans if you want -- but to demonize them the
>way you do requires real ignorance.

And you think your posting was any better? 

							Ross Ridge

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Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.pagan,alt.romance,alt.sex,alt.polyamory
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: raising children
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.191151.1138@newstand.syr.edu> isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account) writes:
>
>I see a problem with same-sex parents, it's that the child(ren) will
>-probably- (see, I'm NOT saying WILL) miss out ona wide range of
>emotional responses and thought patterns.. They'll either see all-male,
>or all-female type behaivor. 

Ummm, you mean that same-sex parents don't have parents, grand-parents,
brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, and friends of the opposite
sex ?  You must know some really strange same-sex parents.

Guido




Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Do you remember 1970 to 1980?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:20:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.143949.14258@netcom.com>, ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
> In article <9211112207.AA06353@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu writes:
> >
> >      As part of an impromptu research project, I'd like to know what
> >  YOU think the single most important ( dramatic, traumatic ) event of`
> >  1970 to 1980 was.
> 
> In 1974, in order of importance:
> 
>   My Volvo lost a timing gear.
>   The dishwasher broke, flooding the kitchen.
>   The roof sprung a leak.
>   My wife left.

So things improved in the end?  :-{)

> -- 
> Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
> Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California



Larry Billings
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*    when I get feeling better,          *                                    *
*    when, I'm feeling no pain.          *   Should not have got on this      *
*    Sometimes I think it's a sin,       *   FLIGHT, TONIGHT.                 *
*    when I feel like I'm winning,       *                                    *
*    but I'm losing again.               *                                    *
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Diurnal Weenies 
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 09:28:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <lfmp4bINNb6s@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>Gosh, it's almost 11pm, I'm still in the office.  Why am I always the
>one to turn on the burglar alarm?

11pm is late? Since when?
(its almost 2:30 am here, time for lunch in a few minutes :)
Oh wait, I get it, your one of them diurnal weenies. I see now :)
r.
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