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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:58:04 -0400
From:         "Gary D. Duzan" <duzan@CIS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Client Ethernet Cards
X-To:         banyan-l@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

   We just got in a load of 40 computers with SMC Elite 16 Ethernet
cards and have had all sorts of problems with them getting along with
Vines, running both DOS and OS/2 2.0. We are looking to replace some of
them with another model. I've used a 3Com Etherlink 16 TP (3c507) that
was destined for a server, but they are a bit pricey. I'd like to have
something 16-bit, with native and NDIS DOS support, as well as an OS/2
NDIS driver. Something that would work in a server would help as well.
We are also on a rather limited budget, so they can't be too expensive.
So, given these parameters, what do you think is the ideal 10-Base-T
card?

                                   Gary D. Duzan
                                   Network Administrator
                                   Delaware State Hospital
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:00 EDT
From:         "Gregory.Burgess" <GBURGESS@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Running a CD Rom service ove

Memory Usage for Optinet is as follows:

                PCNETB     33.6K
                NETUSR      5.6K
                MSCDEX     27.3K
                --------- ------
                   total:  66.5K  (wow!)

But that can be reduced by having MSCDEX use expanded memory for its buffers,
instead of conventional memory.

Regarding Windows Support:  OPTINET does support Windows.  You need to run
WNETUSR.COM before executing Windows though.

Other thoughts:  Unfortunatly OPTINET does not support native Vines IP, but it
does support Novell (Ugh!).  I am lobbying the company to consider supporting
VINES.  So far I believe they have one of the best products for supporting
CDROM drives on the net.  The ability to limit the amount of concurrent users,
naming of databases, remote management, cost, usage reporting are all features
that I greatly appreciate.

When I was evaluating CDROM networking, they allowed us a thirty day free
trial of their product.  I encourage you to give their software a try.

              Address: OnLine Computer Systems, Inc.
                       Product Division
                       20251 Century Boulevard
                       Germantown, Maryland 20874
                       1-800-922-9204

Greg Burgess
Greg.Burgess@banyan.msu.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:58:06 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject: re: Running a CD Rom service over Vines
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Elliott,

Since it is server based, I would hope it uses Vines IP, but I'm not sure.  I
haven't had a chance to follow up on the literature they sent me.

Mike Crist
TRW
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From: tbooth@netcom.com (Todd Booth)
Subject: Does Vines support Token-Ring source routing?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 21:09:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: source token

I would like to know if Banyan Vines supports both client to server
and server to server via Token-ring source routing.  I do not need
Vines to perform source route bridge functions.

Thanks!

-todd
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:31:57 EDT
From:         Greg Martin <martin@HQ.AF.MIL>
Subject: Re: Banyan Intelligent Messaging
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

0 S~& @-#Y1~.&*jJ
> ETransfer aborted by remote R
Bruce, I understand it does several things, some of which will piss off
the 3rd party folks...again.

First, it's multithreaded.  It can deliver multiple messages at once--
one long standing problems was delivering mail over a slow WAN link.
One message with a big attachment could tie up the link and the mail
service for some time.  In our current network where we're gatewaying
(if that's a verb!) a lot of mail from a VS to the VINES network, the
server which hosts the VS link gets choked up with mail destined over
remote links.  The multithread delivery could help us. I am worried
about division of the bandwidth with VINES trying to do too many things
at once and possibly not getting any done.

Other things include fixes to some long-standing limitations such as the
6000 character mail message limit (gone) and (here's the part which
will grab the developers in their wallets) an improved character-based
mail front-end.  I believe they also fixed the forwarding function to
always generate a new envelope, and time stamping may now be fixed.

One drawback is that many features require the new mail engine at each
end in order to work.  it also looks like Banyan is going to charge for
all the features/fixes users have been asking for for several years.

Too bad.

\Greg
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:10:25 PDT
From:         JAMES=NEARING%50%WPNSTAC@FS.NWSCON.SEA06.NAVY.MIL
Subject:      re: Ungermann-Bass problem
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

We have had "Vines Files not Available" when the memory address where the card
is located is also being used by DOS UMB's (on a 386).  I don't have one of
those cards, but I just ran PCCONFIG, so I can see you have to configure a
memory address somewhere between 8000 and F000.

Have you tried a stripped down config.sys, not allocating any high memory?
Could also be another adapter in the machine, or maybe shadow RAM in the CMOS
setup.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:33:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CC: Mail
              28 Aug 1992 10:04:25 EDT

Robert,

We run CC:Mail here (Version 3.21), and have never had any of the mailboxes
corrupted.  How often are you running the CHKSTAT program and the other
program (can't remember name) to keep things "clean"?

Bob
/===================================================================\
| Robert E. Brydia                           REB100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU   |
| Research Assistant                            (814) 863-7506      |
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:47:41 EDT
From:         Jon Freivald <jaflrn!jaf@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Upgrading, 4.10(0) -> 4.11(5)
X-To:         jaflrn!BANYAN-L@uunet.UU.NET

We will be upgrading our CNS here from 4.10(0) to 4.11(5) in the immediate
future.  Are there any caveats that the release notes don't cover?  Any
problems with Progress/NetBIOS in this upgrade?

Thanks,

Jon

=============================================================================
		   Jon Freivald ( jaflrn!jaf@uunet.UU.NET )
	 Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it.
=============================================================================
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:30:52 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject:      re: fualt tolerance
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Carolyn,

Check out the new Compaq IDA-2 card.  It increases data guarding performance
significantly (and is cheaper than doubling your drive space).

Mike Crist
TRW
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:40:55 BST
From:         ps@JET.UK
Subject:      re: Vines 5.X/AppleShare problem

Sorry not to be of any help Mike, but our Mac's (about 100) are running fine
under 5.00(5) and we have observed none of the problems mentioned!
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:10:32 CET
From:         Frank=Koperdraat@DISC.UVA.NL
Subject:      Double deleivery og BANYAN-L mails
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Hi,

I'm starting to get all Banyan-L mails twice (or even more). Could someone
attend to this problem?

Thanks very much
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Frank        University of Amsterdam/DISC   Email: frank@disc.uva.nl
Koperdraat   Turfdraagsterpad 9             phone: +31-20-525 2260
             NL-1012 XT  AMSTERDAM          fax  : +31-20-525 2084
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:02:13 EST
From:         Stephan=Sas%SYS%AGR@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      starting appletalk

folks...

when starting appletalk , after configuring the ports and zones, I got he
error message
  SNMP7222:failed to configure, check logfile...

the logfile contains some like these :


09:48:22 [1] Re-Configuring ATALK ports...
09:48:22 [256] katpport: Error setting up port=2 ifcname=ne errno=164
09:48:22 [256] katpentry: Error 7222 adding ATALK port 2
09:48:22 [256] kcfgatp: Error 7222 from katpentry.
09:48:22 [1] Done loading 0 ATALK port entries
09:48:22 [1] Re-Configuring ATALK routes...
09:48:22 [1] Done loading 0 ATALK route entries
09:48:22 [1] ATKSETPARAM: Setting state=1 phase=2 rt=2
09:48:22 [256] katpparam: Error setting state=1 phase=2 errno=165
09:48:22 [256] ATKSETPARAM: Error 7222 from katpparam

of course I would say...I'd never thought about it...

any ideas about those chinese statements.....


stephan sas

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Stephan Sas  :   Network & systems manager

    Faculty of Agriculture
    K.U.Leuven Belgium
    K.Mercierln 92
    B3001 Leuven

    Tel : 016-220931
    Vinesmail   : stephan@sys@agr
    EARN/BITNET : stephan%sys%agr@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be


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Date: 28 Aug 92 17:12:28 GMT
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Cc:
Bcc:
From:          INTERNET@ISMO@2d FSSG
Subject:       re: Vines password checker needed
Date:          Friday, August 28, 1992 at 12:57:10 pm EDT
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RICH,
        I am a toolkit programmer at Camp Lejeune for a Banyan Lan. If you
give me a little time, I suppose I could probably code something up for you.
Please give me a call for specs.

+--------------------------------------------------------------+
iCpl Ralph Krausse, USMC              Phone (919) 451-3799/3982i
iData Communications Section                 DSN  484-3982     i
iInformation Systems Management Office                         i
iSecond Force Service Support Group                            i
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Subject: print Problem
From: jtucker@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:43:21 GMT
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science



Help!


We have a server here running 5.0 and occasionaly during a medium to large
print job a very strange thing happens.  One print job will stop and another
will start printing in full, then the previous one begins again util it is
finished.  What is causing this sort of problem?


Thank You,



Joseph Tucker
jtucker@vax2.cstp.umkc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:22:29 EDT
From:         Ed=Galvin%ChicagoSupport%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM
Subject:      RE: 5.0 performance, cache buffer sizing explained.
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

The reason 4K works well is because of the average request size. If the cache
buffer size is a lot larger (in the 8K instance twice as large) as your
average cache request size, each cache buffer is only half filled. This means
you get less in cache because of wasted space in each buffer. In the 4K size
 foryour MS Word, it is filling each buffer and not wasting valuable cache
 buffer
space. 4K is a good average for most apps. Another thing that impacts
performance is the comm buffer usage. I have found, if you keep it no larger
than 20% utilized, the server load average is kept to its lowest average.

						--Ed Galvin
						  Systems Consultant
						  Banyan, Chicago
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:47:57 EDT
From:         Greg Martin <martin@HQ.AF.MIL>
Subject:      re: Frequently Asked Questions
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Stoll, How about these for starters--Current version of VINES (4.11 &5.0) and
differences between two.--Where to get VINES/Novell comparison info (csus.edu
has some files).--Where the Banyan-L archives are (csus.edu).--What's the
 latestSMTP version.--What to do when you start getting "VINES Files
 unavailable"
(comm buffers).

I'll pass along more if I thinl on it.

\Greg
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:18:09 EDT
From:         Daniel=Chen%COMPUTER%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
Subject:      re: File transfers

>From:      David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL%BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU@VM1.CC.UAK
>Subject:   re: File transfers

>Roland when you ftp to csus.edu, you must use a guest account to access that
>computer.  The account name is "annoymous"  and the password is your own
>Internet address.  I hope this helps.

Should the password be "anonymous"?  Also, most sites let you use "ftp".

Daniel
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:34:45 GMT
From:         "Gary D. Duzan" <duzan@CIS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Running a CD Rom service ove
X-To:         banyan-l@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

In article <BANYAN-L%92090223542412@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> you write:
>I talked to Perisol about their server attached CD-ROMs and optical disks
>a few months ago. One problem they had was that the server had to be rebooted
>to change disks (at least I thought it was a problem).
>
>They were hoping to get Banyan to provide a method to mount disks without
>taking down the server. Maybe that could be done on a SCO/Vines platform?
>
   I imagine this could be done with existing Vines servers, but I can't
say since I can't get into Unix to take a look. How much trouble is it
to get the toolkit option?

                                   Gary D. Duzan
                                   Network Administrator
                                   Delaware State Hospital
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:17:12 AES
From:         Ian=Brabham%CC%Monash@BANYAN.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: 5.0 performance, cache buffer sizing explained.

Stephan Sas,

I am slowly catching up with all the gossip.

I am interested in this phenominon and what actually changed.  I assume
the cache was 6000KB in both 4.11 and 5.00.  If it was and nothing else
changed then I don't understand why things should change so dramatically.
If you added new users, a new app or started using MAC files then I can
see how your cache could become insufficient for your needs.

What were your rev 4.11 cache hits, your 8K rev 5.00 hits and your 4K rev
5.00 cache hits.

>>After several days&hours of investigation I succeeded in reestablishing
>>comparable performance of my v5.0 servers to the previous 4.11 . The last
>>thing I did and that in fact did the job was to decrease the cache buffer
>>Size from 8 to 4kb...  (total cache size = 6000KB)

The important change was probably 750 8K buffers to 1500 4K buffers, but
why the sudden change in dataset behaviour.

>>before starting ms-word form the net took about 35 seconds...and now only
>>4...6 secs...

Is 4...6 secs the slower/same/faster than your rev 4.11 case?

>>I still cannot figure out why decreasing those cache buffers improved the
>>performance so drastically......?

From: Ed Galvin

>The reason 4K works well is because of the average request size. If the cache
>buffer size is a lot larger (in the 8K instance twice as large) as your
>average cache request size, each cache buffer is only half filled. This means
>you get less in cache because of wasted space in each buffer. In the 4K size
>for your MS Word, it is filling each buffer and not wasting valuable cache
>buffer space. 4K is a good average for most apps.

Basically the standard mix of applications on your server probably now has
a dataset of more than 750 chunks of independant data.  1 buffer may only
belong to 1 contiguous chunk of 1 file.  When the size of the dataset
exceeds the size available for any fifo type cache then performance reverts
very quickly to the uncached level of performance (the block you want next
is the one you just threw away to make room for the one you just read).

The question remains what caused the dataset size to increase, rev 5.00
or an external influence.  Anybody else have any rev 5.00 horror stories.

Ian Brabham                 email: ian@banyan.cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
Melbourne Australia
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:39:15 EDT
From:         Shawn Farrell <INSF@MCGILLB.BITNET>
Subject:      Proteon Drivers...

For those of you interested in answers found out to my recent request
about problems I was having with Proteon P1890 drivers in 4.11(5).

For the problem with loading the PRO16BAN.COM file into High DOS
memory, it can't be done.  Both Proteon and my VAR stated that Banyan
wrote the driver without any hooks for high memory usage.  Seems kind
of silly in this day and age, but that's life.  I would imagine the only
hope of this ever changing is if Banyan lets the card vendor write their
own driver.

The second problem was that once I logged out of the network and waited
for 5 minutes or so, I kept getting "Vines Files not available" messages
sort of like my card's connections was lost.  THe problem here was that
I had enabled source level routing on the NIC in the server, and I had
not done so for the NIC in the workstation.  This must be done even
though these particular workstation's are not passing through a bridge.

Hope this info helps someone.

Shawn Farrell
Merck Frosst

insf@musicb.mcgill.ca
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:49:03 EDT
From:         John=Valenti%cs%SSC@BANYAN.CL.MSU.EDU
Subject:      re: Running a CD Rom service ove

I talked to Perisol about their server attached CD-ROMs and optical disks
a few months ago. One problem they had was that the server had to be rebooted
to change disks (at least I thought it was a problem).

They were hoping to get Banyan to provide a method to mount disks without
taking down the server. Maybe that could be done on a SCO/Vines platform?

-jav     John Valenti    valenti@msu.edu    Michigan State University
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:53:46 CDT
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject: RE: Packed file is Corrupt

But Windows V3.0 & V3.1 does not like that area,B000-B7FF, used to load
 programshigh.

	-dlb
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:43:13 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: Tech I and II
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

I'm already registered!  Will I be seeing you there?

Bob...
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:04:30 EST
From:         Patrick=Smoker%Admin%Ag@ADMIN.AGAD.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:      re: Running a CD Rom service ove
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

>What I like about it most is the ability to configure the max amount of
>users at any one time per drive.  Also the way the drivers function at
>the client. At the client after NetBIOS is loaded, you run NETUSR.COM,
>which looks just like a cdrom drive to the PC.  Then you load MSCDEX
>(Microsoft CD Extensions). Next using a utility from Online called
>ONET.EXE, you issue commands to attach to which ever CDROM server and
>CDROM drive on that server.  Example:

>  PCNETB                               :Load netbios
>  SETNETB NetBIOS@CDROM@Business       :Connects to netbios service
>  NETUSR                               :Load Optinet Driver
>  MSCDEX  /d:$OPTINET                  :Load CD Extensions
>  ONET -o DEMO                         :Open Database DEMO

How much memory does the above configuration consume?  How does Windows
3.1 get along with the Online product?

*******************************************************************
* Patrick Smoker              E-Mail:   pds@admin.agad.purdue.edu *
* MIS Manager                 Phone:    (317)494-9330             *
* Ag. Administration          FAX:      (317)496-1104             *
* Purdue University                                               *
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:37:50 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: CNS disk error message
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

We had a similar error message appear on one of our CNS servers (386/25
w/cache).  It turned out that the SCSI controller (read: Motherboard)
blew.  We had to order another motherboard from Banyan.  It's been
working fine since.


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:07:09 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject: Re: 16 bits NIC
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Had a 3C503-16.  A brand new eval out of a shrink wrapped box from our 3Com
rep.  It lasted almost 3 months before it blew.  I'm back on my trusty
Cabletron E2010-X which has been working faithfully for 18 months.

Mike Crist
TRW
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:10:25 EDT
From:         R=Stoll%SysAdmin%7CG@LGGATE2.HQ.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: Frequently Asked Questions
X-To:         BANYAN-L@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

My apologies.  The "Gary" in the previous message should be "Elliot".  We
have a Gary Coates working here as well.  Core dump...


SSgt Robert Stoll
7th Communications Group
The Pentagon

rstoll@lggate2.hq.af.mil
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:50:51 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject:      re: Inteligent Messaging System upgrade

Anybody know how much the upgrade costs?  Thanks.

Mike Crist
TRW
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