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From: joshuali@sal-sun117.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 25 Aug 1992 13:26:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <25AUG199216061172@utkvx4.utk.edu> jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian) writes:

(stuff about why Yavin wasn't destroyed)

Think about it:

The Empire is after the moon.

The DS can chase the moon down fairly easily.

What would you do if you were chasing someone who was much slower (almost 
standing still) around a large object? Would you move the much bigger object?
I would simply walk around it.

Now if the Empire knew the weakness of the Death Star and it's external
exhaust port before the battle begun (they didn't know until well into the
battle---> "We`ve analyzed their attack sir and there is a danger, should I
have your ship standing by?") maybe they would have destroyed the planet
which would destroy the moon (life on the moon AT LEAST)

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From: jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian)
Subject: asteroid field
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:52:00 GMT

I don't know about the second question, but the orange flash is probably just
small asteroid colliding with a larger one.
Just MHO.

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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 07:43:49 GMT

In article <l9u5lqINNeu8@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.213206.5387@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>>In article <l9smbqINN3uj@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>> 
>>>I doubt it VERY much that a new Star Wars film will be out in May '93.
>>>I would almost bet money on it not happening for a couple of reasons:
>>         ^^^^^^
>>If you're ready to bet money on it, I'll bet my $10 on it happening in
>>'93 (note that I'm not saying anything about any month). So, do you
>
>Are you serious? OK pal you got yourself a bet. And this was done in front
>of the entire net. 

Yes, I am serious... this was done in front of the  entire net, so
please be prepred to give me your $10 next year....

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: FAQ - NEW VERSION!!!!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:25:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.015601.1999@tc.cornell.edu> chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf) writes:
>
>                        *** rec.arts.sf.starwars ***
>
>                   Frequently Asked Questions List (FAQ-L)
>                           Version 2.00 - 09/02/92
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>Q 007:   What novels have been created that are set in the Star Wars
>         universe?  Are these official (canon) or not?

<deletia>

>            One title that is missing is a sister book to The Maverick
>            Moon ("Renegade Robot" comes to mind but I can't be sure)--
>            both are children's reading but curiosities nonetheless.

It was "The Mystery of the Rebellious Robot"

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From: fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:40:29 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug26.122220.8518@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <l9l5quINN4mr@sal-sun117.usc.edu>, joshuali@sal-sun117.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>> In article <25AUG199216061172@utkvx4.utk.edu> jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian) writes:
>> 
>> (stuff about why Yavin wasn't destroyed)
>> 
>> 
>> What would you do if you were chasing someone who was much slower (almost 
>> standing still) around a large object? Would you move the much bigger object?
>> I would simply walk around it.
>> 
>    True, but then why didnt the DS just come out of hyperspace beyond Yavin,
> or off to one side, so that the planet wasnt in the way? This is a clear
> case of plot device (and nothing wrong with that - lets not analyse these
> films to death :-)
> 
   On the other hand, let's...
   Two things; the homing beacon on the MF can only be read inaccurately at
long range, so the Imps knew only that it had gone to the Yavin system, 
so they flew to Yavin and emerged at a conventional distance and scanned from
there to find the precise location of the beacon; by chance it was on the
far side of the planet.
   They couldnt blow up the planet because it is a gas giant; if you "blow it
up", where does the gas go? It cant just vanish, and gravity will keep it 
pretty much in the same place, so the planet will still be there, although
a bit more energetic. Rocky planets are different as they can actually be
smashed up; no doubt in time they will reaccrete as planets, but anything
on them is gone for good.

Rich.
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: You'va Answered Your Own Question
Keywords: Falcon
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:17:45 GMT

In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?
>Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....
>
>
>Jay
>-- 
>John Richard Deyonke
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0754b
>Internet: gt0754b@prism.gatech.edu

Yo McFly!!!!!!  You just said it yourself, the pods were jettisoned
after take-off.  Now I don't know about you, but I don't consider
take-off possible in the middle of space.  So, the Impies probably
thought that "Here's the ship ID'd from Tatooine, and it looks like
after take off they blew and sent the ship out here to throw us off
their stinking rebel scent."

	--Jerry


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From: clark@racquet.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Empire #5 - SPOILER WARNING !!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:37:37 GMT
Reply-To: clark@racquet.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <1992Aug22.201025.1975@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister) writes:
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|> umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe) writes:
|> >So, just got a copy of Dark Empire 5 last night, and suffice it to
|> say, it
|> >is the best one so far.  The cover art on this one is the best of
|> the series,
|> >not to mention the story.  I will not give away any of the story
|> from Dark
|> >Empire 5, but it is quite remarkable.  The best thing about this
|> though, is
|> >the announcement in the letters section about another Star Wars
|> mini-series
|> >coming out in early 1993 (take place after Dark Empire), and a
|> series called
|> >Tales Of The Jedi which will be released later this year.  Can't
|> wait, 
|> >personally, and thank God my comic store does holds.
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|> >Just a small spoiler for DE 6.
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|> I wouldn't say it was the best.  I don't want to be picky but I knew
|> this installment would have a few problems when they didn't even
|> catch 
|> an error in the opening text (luke instead of Luke).  The thing that
|> |> I found the most disturbing about this installment was at the end
|> when the
|> Emperor is reborn into the clone.  In I think #2, the Emperor stated
|> that
|> the transition was painful and left him weak.  Well, I don't really
|> consider
|> weak engaging in a lightsaber duel with Luke and winning weak.  I
|> don't know
|> maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to dig out #2 and look.  It just seemed to
|> me 
|> that after the transition the Emperor would be ready to fight like he
|> did.


I'd have to back & check, but you may be right.  Anyway, I'd have to say my
biggest problem was the "jump" Luke took in characterization.  The "reasoning"
aside, it seemed like to far a leap to be totally plausible.  I really don't
hold it against them, though.  It is, after all, a six issue min-series &
that kinda restrains "development." ^_^

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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Star Wars Radio Series Available?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:48:07 GMT

From article <1992Sep1.201647.1@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu>, by terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu:
> Awhile ago, NPR broadcasted a radio series version of Star Wars and The Empire
> Strikes Back (perhaps they also did Return of the Jedi).  Does anyone know if
> this is avaible on tape/cd?
> 
> Jim Terman
> 
> terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu

	
	I just bought something called "The Story of Star Wars, the complete
album on cassette"  with music and dialogue from the Motion picture.  It came
with a "souvenir photo book."  I also got a similar thing with ESB and also
one with the "Rebel Mission to Ord Mantell" which, of course had no photos  ;)
	Could this be a similar thing?


It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:33:19 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

From article <1992Sep3.011826.1567@ll.mit.edu>, by shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham):
> 
> There are many more places where levitation would have saved a Jedi from unpleasentry.
> 
> There are only two places where levitation is actually practiced (although many 'jumps'
> may have been "force-assisted"): Luke's ship on Degobah and C3PO+chair on Endor.
> 
> In all successfull Levitation exercises, (visibly) considerable concentration was
> required. It is reasonable to expect that under surprise conditions Levitation is
> not possible. The Emperor was surely suprised to find himself in the Shaft, as was
> Luke in the pit (or below Cloud City, etc.)


	I could go through the movies myself, but...

Can anyone point out an instance where someone levitated themself?  I don't 
recall Luke letting go of the one hand he was standing on on Dagobah, but I
could be wrong.  I'm just wondering if the causer of the levitation needs 
some contact with the ground.  Luke's jump in ESB was obviously force
assisted, but he used the ground to push off of.

Just my two cents (Canadian currency)

 
It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Lava
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Well...
Keywords: loves school, loves parties, loves freshmen chicks, etc...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:01:19 GMT

In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
>
>Many people have posted comments concerning the possibilty that our hero, 
>Darth Vader fell into a pool of lava.  Ignoring the fact that someone might have
>read this somewhere, lets look at this realistically.  If Vader fell into a 
>pool of lava (a volcano even) and SOMEHOW managed to live it could only have 
>been due to the force.  I find this very unlikely.  EVen though the force is
>powerful, I don't think its THAT powerful. Maybe he could have used the force
>to prevent himself from falling in but, that's irrelevant to this discussion.
>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star.  Seems kind of unlikely doesn't
>it?  But then, many of you do seem to get a funny taste in your mouth when
>talking about Return.
>
>Jeff Kabbe

How about....

Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side. 
or
Strong am I for my ally is the Force.
or (my favorite)
Lord Vader, your sad devotion to that ancient religion...Ack!Ack!Ack!!!


	--Jerry



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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Collectables and Info (was: Stuff)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug26.182250.16478@ncsu.edu> cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:
>
>
>Isn't it funny how the cards seem expensive even for a dime each?  Because when
>a baseball card just seems to skyrocket, the SW cards seem to just collect dust.
>I, like most people, collect the cards just to have them.  They will hardly go
>up in value at all. Except maybe the C-3PO "penis card"  (#207- Green).
>
>Again this is of value only because of the hilarity of the whole thing.  And its
>limited availability.  (They fixed the handiwork immediately)
>

Can you expound on this?  

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
 [stuff deleted] 
 >
>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I've wondered about this for a long time!

Tim.


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From: hugh@pyra.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Blockade Runner's capture
Summary: How is the BR handled by the SD ?
Keywords: Tractor Beam
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:25:08 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.


Folks,

Someone  posted  recently regarding the Blockade Runner and its capture  by
the Star Destroyer at the very beginning of SW.

What  confuses me in this sequence (and this all comes from memory,  albeit
limited  !)  is that at one stage we hear grappling noises as if  grappling
hooks  or their hi-tech equivalent are being used to bring the BR into  the
SD's  main  bay.   However,  a subsequent shot is of the  BR  merely  being
"swallowed"  by  the  SD bearing down on it, i.e.   no  physical  grappling
mechanism appears to be in use.

Questions to be answered please :-

1. How is the pull-in of the BR achieved ?

   - tractor beam ?

   - some  physical mechanism attached to the top starboard side of the  BR
     that we just don't see ?

2. If tractor beam, what accounts for the grappling noise on the outside of
   the BR's hull ?

3. If neither of the above, did George and his team just plain screw up ?

Like  someone  very pragmatically stated the other day, let's  not  analyse
these films to death, although I would be interested to hear other peoples'
opinions.

All the best folks,


Hugh.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:22:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?
>Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....

Perhaps the Imperial officer only checked the log records and Han
fiddled with it to show that the escape pods had been jettisoned - the
scan of the ship would have revealed this as false though, unless Han
is in the habit of running around without a full complement of escape
pods.  

The Falcon doesn't seem big enough to have the same kind of escape pod
used by the droids at the beginning of ANH so perhaps there aren't any
dedicated pod bays on the Falcon - maybe you go into the airlock,
climb into a jet-propelled bag, and when everyone's ready you blow the
hatch.  These bags are probably stored in standardized places and
maybe Han just removed all of them to make it look like they'd left
the ship in them.

Or maybe Han got rid of the escape pods long ago and uses the pod bays
as smuggling compartments (blow the pod hatch, all the contraband gets
dumped before you can get boarded).  Since he wasn't smuggling
anything when the Death Star sucked them in, the pod bays were empty
and Han tinkered with the ships log to make it look like they jumped
ship in the pods.

Anyone got any other ideas?











-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is GUMBY)
Subject: Falcon Toy box
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:27:20 GMT

 Can anyone explain this.  Why does the Falcon from the tESB toyline have the
 figures from the first movie (original Luke, Han, etc) on the pack. Does the
 RotJ have the same figures on the pack.
   I am not asking this because I think it will get me more money purely
 because  I will never sell it ( :-) from me  :-( for you )


thanks in advance,


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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 09:29:18 GMT


Is this thread on the new SW movie necessary? I mean that I'm against
of most of you and we probably won't get any outside information about
this thing - I assume that ILM has access to Internet but I don't
think that someone from there will post an article 'hey we made the
new Star Wars movie'. We see it next year if we get a new SW movie;
if we get, I'll be $10 richer, and if we don't get, I'll lose $10.

But I'm 99.9% sure that I'll get that $10.... :-)

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