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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Mini Disk vs. DCC checklist - what have I got wrong ?
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<MARC.92Oct5090314@anaconda.es.ele.tue.nl>
	<ATOSSAVA.92Oct6005006@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>
	<1992Oct7.023730.3048@cc.uow.edu.au>
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:21:48


>>>>> "Bennett" == Bennett  (mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au)

Bennett> I haven't even _seen_ a DCC or a MiniDisc.  But I read the
Bennett> results of a test some group did comparing CD to DCC, and
Bennett> they said there were distinguishable differences, but not
Bennett> necessarily in quality; they could hear a difference but
Bennett> could not identify the source.  Their conclusion was that DCC
Bennett> sounded slightly different to CD, but not clearly inferior.

I have listened to a DCC and compared to a CD, but the setup was a
midrange Phillips system, in a room that was clearly too big for the
speakers used. The system was respectable, but not great. The fact
that the people who set it up had used the cables that came with the
components (i.e., the kind of cables sensible people throw out with
the packaging) didn't help. Using primarily the latest Dire Straits
album as a source, I was not able to identify the sources.

This does not tell me how DCC will fare in a good system, but it shows
that in the kind of system found in most homes and with the big-
selling music (the marker DCC is targeted at) DCC is currently good
enough. DCC surely was better than I had expected.

I've read about a number of blind test, and a least some of these have
resulted in clear identification of the DCC. In reports from writers I
trust, the consensus has been that with modern pop, identification is
hard, while with classical music, especially small ensembles, solo
piano or solo voice, the difference has been clear.

It should be noted that these tests has not been in controlled
environments, i.e., not in the home of the writer. The Danish magazine
"High Fidelity" (*NO* relation to the US one) is scheduled to have a
test of Philips DCC 900 next month. More then.

Bennett> The compression used for MiniDisc is a lot more lossy than the DCC
Bennett> compression, so it almost certainly is "worse" in some sense.

I agree.

To me, the idea of using lossy compression is absurd. To people
interested in good sound, the idea that the industry is coming up with
a new system that is technically clearly inferior to the one we have
now is a Bad Thing. We need more, not less.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL H. ALAIMO)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: New REM- What's the deal?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:54:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



The new REM album has been out for over a week.  I expected a flood of
comments within the first day, and I've yet to see a single mention of the
thing.  Any comments, reviews, criticisms??
-- 


: MIKE ALAIMO        :    ************************
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: Rocket Scientist & :    *        IN '93        *
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From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: Stranglers: In the night
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:22:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.084205.14537@cv.ruu.nl>, rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) writes:
|> Hi.
|> 
|> Last Saturday, I bought the latest Stranglers' CD: In the Night. The title
|> obviously is a pun (Stranglers in the Night), but the music, is IMHO quite
|> good. They do sound slightly different than their previous CDs though. 
|> 
|> My questions:
|> 
|> - does anyone have a Stranglers CDiscography ?

Probably, but it aint me :-) Although I do have many of their CDs

|> - what was the last album before this one ? I have 'Dreamtime' but that is
|>   an '86 album. I believe there was a live album in between, but I am not
|>   sure. 

"All 12 inches" came out a few months ago, as its name suggests, it is an
album of 12 inch mixes of Stranglers singles.
"Stranglers 10" was a year or two ago and (IMHO) is 'orrible
"Aural Sculpture" is another since "Dreamtime" but I don't remember what
date, I'm at work, and it plus the rest are at home.

|> Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

	Adrian
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From: buex93c@rwa.urc.tue.nl (O.L. Craane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.sex,alt.sex.wanted
Subject: (X-rated) lyrics wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:18:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

Hi,

I am an active member of a student society and at the moment 'we' are
working on what we call is a : 'Zang Bundel' (in English it's something
like : Lyrics Book). It contains all kind of Dutch and English songs
(the ones we'd like to sing around a campfire, or when we've drunk a bit
too much). In all categories we have enough songs except the one that is
called : 'Original' English Songs (English = English/American). Things
like Canal Street, Molly Mallone (these are the one we've got). But
there should be a lot more of these songs. For example dirty text on
already existing songs (we love those), or just humorous differents
texts.

So Again: this is what we are asking for :

- Famous Songs, with changed lyrics. And we don't care if they are nice
or Hard-core X-rated. Just mail'em please. Fraternity Songs are welcom
too...

Thanks in advance,

Oscar Craane
buex93c@urc.tue.nl
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: REM, Automatic, Anagrams...
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:37:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>OK so I've listened to the new REM CD, AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE. And it
>is sooo mediocre and sooo completely unmemorable that the only way I can
>reconcile myself to try and glean any kind of enjoyment out of the whole
>experience is to make anagrams out of the title. It's really that bad.
>
>So.
>
>THE POOR OUTFIT, LEAP CAME.
>
>Punctuation mine.
>
>Can anyone do better?

At least you found something useful to do with the album.  It was so mediocre
that I had to restrain myself from smashing it against the wall.  Actually, I
should have said BORING, UNINSPIRED, AND DEAD.

That about says it all.

To be honest, the only redeeming song is Drive.

-- 

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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: The girls of music video
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:19:38 GMT

While reading article <dstone.2.0@bnr.ca>, I noticed that
dstone@bnr.ca (Danny Stone) said the following:
 >Bailey was MUCH Hotter than Jennifer...
 >I, too, wonder, "Whatever happened to Jan Smithers?"

She married James Brolin around 1984 or so and permanently retired from the
industry.  I have no idea of whether she's a "domestic engineer" now or if
she has found something else to do; I just know that she spoke of how
disenchanted she was with the entire entertainment industry and she wanted no
further part of it...
-- 
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| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: al@iris.claremont.edu (Aotearoa)
Subject: NZ Music:  Able Tasmans and Bird Nest Roys
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date:  9 Oct 92 17:46:58 GMT

I just got an order in a couple of days ago	from Ajax with some
Flying Nun stuff:

Able Tasmans _A Cuppa Tea And Lie Down_; _Somebody Ate My Planet_.
I've gotten several recommendations here for their first album, (_A Cuppa..._)
and they are definitely well deserved.  Wonderfully varied, with elements of
folk, jazz, janglepop, and who knows what else thrown in, often within the
space of one song.  Somehow they make it all fit, and it doesn't feel messy.
On the basis of only a few listens, I don't like _Somebody Ate My Planet_,
which was just released, quite as much, but it is very enjoyable.

Bird Nest Roys _Bird Nest Roys_ was an even bigger surprise.  I've heard
"Jaffa Boy" on the radio several times, and it has become one of my favorite
songs, but the fact that I had heard little or nothing about the band, here
in this group or elsewhere, must have lead me to believe that the rest of
the album wasn't up to par.  I really love surprises like this.  The guitar
work is large and wonderful, and each and every song sunk into my brain
immediately.  Tasty pop.

Others have reviewed David Kilgour's _Here Come The Cars_, so I will just
say that his guitar on this album is quiet and sad, one of the saddest
sounds I've heard in a long time.  Wonderful front porch evening disc.
His voice may be an acquired taste; if so, I have acquired it in a big 
way.  I guess I like my vocallists to be unique, which is why the very
ones that some people complain about are my all time favorites:  Peter
Jefferies, Chris Knox, David Kilgour, Alister Parker.  Not everyone can
have a perfect voice like Martin Philipps, who is also wonderful, if
evidently a bit difficult to work with.
-- 
Michael L. Medlin      al@iris.claremont.edu
"There's a man on the shoreline with a white parrakeet
 Trying to make his bird go home"
 --Peter Jefferies, "On An Unknown Beach"
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.config,talk.bizarre
From: mneeley@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Neeley)
Subject: Creation of new alt. group
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:19:56 GMT

I call for the creation of alt.rick-astley.croak.croak.croak

I see a *definite* need.

	Mark

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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: (X-rated) lyrics wanted
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:48:33 GMT

muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman) writes:

>Sung to "Love me Tender":

But this doesn't fit the melody at all!
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield's first album
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:35:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

zaphod@niksula.hut.fi (Seppo J Niemi) writes:

> I heard that Mike Oldfield has recorded an album with his sister Sally
> back in 1968 - that is, even before the Tubular Bells. Could someone
> please enlighten me a bit about that. 

It's called _The Sallyangie_ and was recorded by Children Of The Sun
(Mike, Sally, Terry Cox, and Ray Warleighm with some string arrangments by
David Palmer).  The music is guitarry folk, and is quite nice but
completely overwhemed by Mike and Sally's vocals.  The warble in Sally's
voice makes her sound like Bille Burke playing Glinda in _The Wizard Of
Oz,_ and the pubescent Mike is no treat either.  Together they manage to
be quite cacophonous. 

I don't think the album was ever released outside of Europe.  My LP is
Italian (Transatlantic ORL 8366) and I've seen a German CD as well (Line
TACD 9.00586 O).  It might be worth a listen for a hardcore fan, but don't
sell the house to get it . . . 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: gwh0621@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: (X-rated) lyrics wanted
Reply-To: gwh0621@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:39:43 GMT

In article <5919@tuegate.tue.nl>, buex93c@rwa.urc.tue.nl (O.L. Craane) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I am an active member of a student society and at the moment 'we' are
>working on what we call is a : 'Zang Bundel' (in English it's something
>like : Lyrics Book). It contains all kind of Dutch and English songs
>(the ones we'd like to sing around a campfire, or when we've drunk a bit
>too much). In all categories we have enough songs except the one that is
>called : 'Original' English Songs (English = English/American)
>Oscar Craane
>buex93c@urc.tue.nl
:::::::::     Original American Drinking Ditties
   First one I only remember the first and the last stanzas...I was sober when
we started and revived before they finished......Called "DOWN IN THE VALLEY"
...............	Oh, Down in the valley where red rivers flow,
		Where maidenheads flourish and Cocksuckers grow..
		   There I met Lupe, the girl I adore,
		     That hot fuckin', Cock Suckin' Mexican Whore...
          Da da da da da da
          dee dee dee dee deee dde and a lot more
           Last verse
		Now my poor Lupe lies cold in her tomb...
		  While maggots crawl round her decomposed womb....
			When I think of Lupe, I think I shall cry,
                   'Cause I'd rather eat Lupe than sweet cherry Pie.
     That is my Lupe the girl I adore,
			That hot fuckin' Cock suckin'Mexican whore.


   Second American Drinkin' Ditty, has an Irish flavor to it...
     .....Two Irishmen, two Irishmen a sittin' on a rock,
    One called the other a Bastard and hit him on his COCKleshells,
       Cockleshells, eat all y'ud want ,if I'd have me druthers, I'd rather eat
some CUnt,ye hear me mutha that dirty old witch called me brother a bastard and
me a son-of-a-betcha like me song, and 'ud like to hear me end it quick, but I
can't for its as long, as long as me very own DICKens, Dickens, an Englishman
with class, we've never read his pages, just used them to wip our ASSk me no
questions, I'll tell ye no lies, I heard it all in Darby Town with me very own
eyes!.........
	Hope that will hold ya...If any one knows the other remaining stanzas
of DOWN IN THE VALLEY would appreciate you adding them....I'm not a rascist,
can be with a cunado name of Leroy McDiaz, and my wife is Angellina B'mgowalla 
Metzenbaum.............;)
	The Bedroom Commando 
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The Heights: alternative at heart?
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:20:58 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>
>anyhow, one of the guys who wrote a couple songs was talking
>on wdre this morning, and saying that they had played in vancouver,
>b.c., a couple weeks ago, and played an acoustic set - they played
>a few of the songs from their album, and then started playing
>coevers, including (his words) "5 songs from husker du".
>
>wow.  it's cool to hear that. pop and alternative mixing wonderfully.

	Actually, I'm a fan of this show; I hated the ad blitz in late
August, etc. but it was too much like the rock scene that I knew back
in western Canada ... seriously, people like Bryan Adams could easily
have tipped in the other direction to be "alternative" had history
turned out differently ... one example would be a guy named Bob Rock,
who is famous in the U.S. as a producer for big commercial acts like
Bon Jovi, Aerosmith and The Cult (recent edition) but he first made
his name with a partner named Paul Hyde in a band called The Payola$
who definitely had one hand in alternative while the other hand was in
the mainstream (a very listenable group).  Hyde has continued with a
domestic solo career in Canada that is definitely in the alternative
sphere.  Back in the Payola$, their backing band's members kept
changing as players moved back and forth, often between their own
alternative bands (hey, you've gotta eat!) and The Payola$.  They
weren't the only band where players moved back and forth between
mediums; the most recent example that I can remember (I've been away
for a while) is "Dimwit", the former drummer for The Pointed Sticks 
(a classic Vancouver punk outfit), having played in blues-rocker 
Colin James' Band when I saw them at the Montreal Jazz Festival.

	While this show may seem a little contrived to Americans, the
Vancouver scene is very much like what is portrayed in The Heights but
with a wider diversity of *good* music (not the mellow ballad crap
like their radio single) and people moving between a range of musical
styles.  (I'd have to say that the only good song that I've heard on
"The Heights" was that Sam & Dave soul rave-up that was rocked-out on
by three of the guys ... it is true that all the actors do know how to
play their instruments; my sister's roommate's sister auditioned for
the part of Hope and had to play three songs on guitar without music
in front of her as well as do the standard readings ... Hope was
almost played by an Asian-American, folks!)

gld

PS: The Bay Area might be like this, too; I remember a Jefferson Starship
video which had cameo appearances by members of The Residents and Jello
Biafra (Dead Kennedies).
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
From: as081@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Rock/funky a capella groups
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:35:31 GMT
Reply-To: as081@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve R. Smith)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) says:

>In article 29711@oakhill.sps.mot.com, tomc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Tom Cunningham) writes:
>>|
>>|Can someone point me to a list of a capella singing groups/albums that
>>|are blues/soul/rock-oriented (as opposed to, say, classical or
>>|barbershop)?  I believe there was a PBS special that featured these
>>|kinds of groups, but I missed it.  Also, if this is FAQ, please clue
>>|me in.  Thanks!
>>|-- 

Well, I know this reply is way late, because I haven't been on the net much,
but....

No discussion of a capella grous is complete without reference to The Bobs!
The Bobs are a San Fransisco based group, most of whos songs are of the funny
variety.  But the harmonies and arrangements are first rate.  Look for:

	Songs For Tomorrow Morning...their most accessible to pop, and
		one of the funniest.

	My, I'm Large...their best, in my opinion, though you may have 
		to tolerate the first listen or two before their unique
		sound grows on you.

	The Bobs Sing the Songs Of...their most recent release, a collection
		of covers.  Very good stuff.

All albums are now on Kaleidoscope.  Hope you'll enjoy them!

					5+e\/e

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From: umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken A. Roberge)
Subject: Alan Parson Project info..
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: World
 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:25:54 GMT

	Could someone give me some suggestions as to titles of "Alan
Parsons Project" albums that are good.  I have Steorotomy and I think it's
awesome..could someone reply through e-mail as to which albums are similar
to this one and which aren't worth getting..
 
 Thanks

-- 
Ken Roberge
umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Ack Pfffthh!!
- Bill the Cat
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: rpiercey@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Ricki Lee Jones for beginners?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:18:13 GMT

I have no albums by Ricki Lee Jones, but I've liked what I've heard
by her and would be interested in getting some. Can anyone suggest
a good place to start?
Thanks
Robert
From: johhog@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Johan H|gberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: * Madonna and Sexuallity *
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:44:58 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden) writes:


> 
>                I was wondering how many of you got a chance to see the 
>Madonna video thing on friday night.  I personally don't see what all the 
>fuss is about.  If it's labelled as the expression of the art of 
>sexuallity etc. I really don't see why all the fuss.  Granted alot of 
>'youngins' are gonna take a look at the videos and figure... great more 
>of this 'stuff', however thats because they are not yet able to 
>comprehend the meaning behind the video... but I still think it should be 
>aired regularly.
> 
>                        Anyother comments??
> 
>        >>Baden<<


Yes, I did manage to see the video and it's really pathetic how she can make such
garbage. The lyrics are worse than ever.

There are a lot of younger people that looks at MTV and I don't think that they
shall see this kind of viedos. Videos including bondage and other kind of kinky stuff
shall be placed at such time of the day so that you surely not can see it by accident.
 
It doesn't matter what the label of the video is. What's matter is what is really is.
And what is the video then? To me it's another very cheap trick to make a small scandal.
After all, that's what is selling records.

I bet the 'youngins' can't comprehend the meaning behind the video, who can?
The only meaning is to upset people, that's what it is. Exactly like the Prince video
"You Sexy M.F", both sex and abusive languange. Exactly like Madonnas video "Justify
My Love". The video "This Used To Be My Playgound" is just a video to create a contrast
between the other two.

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang)
Subject: Eire Apparent -- what kind of music is this ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:01:22 GMT

In the Canterbury discography, it was stated that Soft Machine toured with this
band. I recently saw a CD by them [Eire Apparent] in the cut-out bin. So is
the CD worth buying [ from the point of view of a "progressive" rock fan] ?

Thanks in advance.


-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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*"The dust blows forward and the dust blows back on the toads of the      *
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