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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Bill, the keeper of knoledge. Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:10:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.192447.5281@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>Yea verily! And the Stock Splitteth yet again....
>-- 
>|------------------------------------------------------------------|
>|Currently Amigaless soon to   | Eagle Talon TSI AWD/ABS/Turbo     |
>|own A1200/100MB               | Iank@Microsoft.com                |
>|------------------------------------------------------------------|


And yea did the FCC charges be brought upon him, and his empire did
fall, yea like Babylon.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cs922012@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY MARTIN CARMAN)
Subject: Re: C= Engineers--Now that the wraps are off . . .
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:07:33 GMT

Skip,
  Without quoting as the previous message was pages long, look in this months
Compute, in the Amiga section, Dave Haynie goes over the design team, and story
behind the A4000.  Turns out Dave liked the name A3000+ for what is now the 
A4000.  Get a copy and read it, and your previous article will seem sort of off
base, but very close. 
 
				Geoffrey Carman

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135043.26904@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Okay, does anyone else have any enlightened opinions?  All this shouting
>about desktops, I uploaded some to usl.edu in /pub, and I have yet to
>hear of any WB2 *****.gifs***** being uploaded anywhere. Well?  Well?

Patience, Dan. :) I will get a .gif'd WB to you someday soon, but I can't
spend too much time searching for the damn program needed to snapshot my
WB screen when I have finals to study for. :| Of course, if someone knows
the program I need and where I can ftp it from, that would speed things up
greatly.

>Mr. Greene, perhaps you could make some WPS captures and enlighten these
>ignorant masses? :-)

I did download your WPS .gifs. And I thought your WPS looked pretty nice.
Especially after playing around with the PS/Valuepoint (whatever it's called)
running OS/2 at the school computer center today. Your WPS looked much better
than the one at the computer store. I'll say that my Workbench is much more
plain in comparison. Not really so much because I only have 4 colors, but
because I don't have the flexibility of choosing highlighting colors, etc.
(Color 0 gets assigned to certain things no matter what, color 1 - 3 to others,
etc.) In fact, if I ran my WB with 8 or 16 colors, you would barely notice
the difference (some of the icons would be more colorful, but that's it.)

>--
>Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
>we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

Francis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papo@pyuxf.uucp (25241-anaya)
Subject: Re: Is This Enough Quoting??
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:04:28 GMT

>>From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
>>Message-ID: <Byw8tJ.6MB@unccsun.uncc.edu>
>>References: <11366@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
>>Sender: usenet@unccsun.uncc.edu
>>Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
>>Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
>>In article 11366@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
>>writes:
>>
>>>   Did you know that "Amiga" basically means "Girlfriend"?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Who's spanish is that????????  Sheeeesh!!!!!!

From "La Real Academia de la Lengua Espanyola"

Amiga == Female Friend, Female Buddy.  It does'nt mean 
girlfriend.  No way.

However, at least in Puerto Rico,  the following slangs apply: 

Amiga ==  A female that we have a urge desire to meet and love.
is an euphemism.  The same as "Jevita" in Cuban.  Normally used
in salsa songs. 

Amiguita = Affair girlfriend.  "The other woman".  The one that
you see at your wife's back.


Slangs *depends* in what country you live.  I'm not madly in love
with my computer (An Amiga 1000).  She's just that.. my buddy. :-).


>>ok, so I'm madly in love with my computer... your point?
>
>>>   That's why the Amiga owners get so frustrated with their machines.
>
>>we are??  hey guys, you hear that?? all these years, and we were supposed
>to
>>be -frustrated!-  same on me for being beyond amazed...


Frustrated???  Now... THAT's stupid.

>
Luis Roberto Anaya-Rivera         papo@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com
-----
AWSDA member since 1992.  "You have the absolute right to defend yourself".
A true PL/1 hacker. DCL 1 CLASS BASED (THIS), 3 MEMBER_FUN ENTRY;
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:18:09 GMT
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Martin Black (22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu) wrote:
:
: And the fact is zorro III, kills eisa, kills vesa, in speed.
: And the zorro III kills eisa, and kills vesa, in multitasking.
:

Care to back this up with facts?  I dare you :-)

:
: Well, sorry all to vesa, you have been reading too much hype on this crappy
: bus haven't you.  vesa busses aren't very well suited for coprocessed 
: graphics and most other areas.  eisa is much better suited for coprocessed
: graphics and hard drives.  
:

It *really* sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
For one thing, graphics co-processors are designed to minimize bus traffic.
Heck, even ISA machines with good co-processed graphics have X-Windows
performance that approaches that of GX-accelerated Sparcstations.

:
: Martin
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:34:09 GMT

>Perhaps the thing that's bugging me is the implicit attitude that supporting
>certain standards is just, oh, so crass and common and beneath us...

It's not that it's beneath us, just that it's not relevant to us.  I
haven't come across an IFF file since DP2!  And that came with a
conversion module.  It's just not cost effective for graphics
applications companies to support ALL formats.  Perhaps the Amiga
should consider making postscript it's main format.  It's not PC
specific, it's just universal.  IFF isn't!

For what it's worth, Windows programs seldom support OS/2 metafile
format, because it usually isn't worth their while.  So OS/2 programs
convert.  That's the problem that comes with having an advanced system.
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:52:09 GMT

In article <Bz9FGq.MrI@fiu.edu> freire2a@serss0 (Angel Freire) writes:

>...little later in the year, AND he positively told me that there were 
>amigas in the research labs with DEC ALPHAS running AmigaDos. i was 
>quite surprised. im no hardware guy, but wouldn't the OS have to be 
>recompiled to run on the Alpha? isn't it an either or kind of thing? 
>you know: AmigaDos compiled for 68k or AmigaDos for Alpha? well, he made
>it seem that it would run on both with no modifications. regardless, I
>had a C= rep tell me that thre would be Alpha powered amigas...

Porting AmigaDOS to for use on a RISC processor would be a monumental
task in some respects, although a significant amount of the old BCPL
and assembly code has been converted to C. Interesting speculation anyway.

>one other note. i asked him about the rumors of an ec030, 030,
>and 040 Tower version of the 4000 and he told me those reports were wrong.

Well, the rumours came from Lew Eggebrecht himself, so it sounds like
the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Given the release
date of the tower version and the fact that there are apparently 5 in
West Chester right now, it would seem quite likely. Was this guy an
engineer or a suit?

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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: It's the "New Amigas Won't Make It" Top Ten List!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:32:15 GMT


That's right... from the home office in warm-hearted Central City,
Colorado, it the Top Ten List.  A list of the top ten reason why the new
AGA Amigas are going to flop, fizzle, and die compiled, right here, for your
reading enjoyment.  Here we go:

(drum roll please)

#10  Marc Barrett said that Commodore sucks;  and he really means it this
     time.

#9  There are enough PCs that you could march them into the ocean 1000
    abreast, forever! ...but no one will!!

#8  Programers will pass AGA by since the letters PC require 33% less work
    to write.

#7  Base machine on level of 24-bit-color 386DX will not compete with Cray
    base machines.

#6  PC marketers have edge where the name "Sound Blaster" will scare
    grandma a hell of a lot worse than the name "Paula Chip".

#5  Just what in the hell do you mean by "multitasking" anyway?

#4  New version of Windows is rumored to run two Word Perfect apps
    concurently, and in only 72 MB of ram.
 
#3  Those are just CD-ROMs that people play in stereos aren't they?

#2  Certain 486 users are spreading lies that AGA chips are really just
    used 386s.

...and the number one reason that Amiga is doomed to failure:

   The rumors that Blazemonger (tm) is dropping Amiga for some teenage RISC
   fluzie are TRUE!    


                                   

                                      NCW
 
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From: remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:28 GMT

In <1992Dec13.235917.9548@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu
>(LELAND) writes:

>>>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>>>stated Windows NT.

>>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>>Why would Microsoft do that?

>Microsoft would be developing NT with the processor is mind, not the native
>platform. In this respect, the end-user still benefits, but not by virtue
>of any benevolence on the part of MS. But who's complaining? :).


Windows NT was displayed at Comdex running on Digital's new Alpha Chip..

The Alpha is now available.  I was talking to one of the techs at DEC (Canada)
and he explained to me that it incorporates RISC technology, but it includes
a layer of PAL code between the OS and the Hardware to act as an interpreter.

Thus, he said having the Alpha on the Amiga wouldn't be too tough at all.
(But, when I asked about what was going on with deals between CBM and DEC, 
he said, "What? Commodore?  You mean the 64?")  Needless to say, I almost
gave him a shot in the head.  ;>)

I think Alpha is going to be a major force to be reconned with..  SUN has
already bought license rights (is that the right word) to use the Alpha
in their WorkStations and Servers...


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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:37:22 GMT

jcp@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen) writes:
>>>Anyone interested in a comic book sale?
>
>If anyone is, they should look at rec.arts.comics.marketplace, instead of one
>of the comp.sys.amiga groups.

Just as they should look in the politics groups for politics, and the
sexist groups for sexism, and the PC-clone groups for PC-clones...

What is your point, Jak?

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: WB picts Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:31:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.021239.16761@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1gfpooINNjm0@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
>Did you use an Amiga with the Workbench as configured by Commodore?  If so,
>I am afraid that your experience may have been a bad one as the standard
>configuration is indeed very ugly.  As I just recently purchased an A4000,
>I had a brief exposure to the horrible standard configuration, but after
>a few minutes had it adjusted to my liking.
>
>I understand that OS/2 is also easily customizable and would expect that
>most users also quickly dispense with the standard configuration.  In my
>admittedly brief experiences with OS/2, the interface too close resembled
>Windows for my liking.  The colors were not quite as garish, but overall
>it looked and felt more like Windows than anything else.  While this may
>be a plus for someone moving up to OS/2 from Windows, I myself find it
>to be a negative point.

Well, commenting on Windows, OS/2 capabilities to custmomize the desktop
is FAR more complicated than Windows.  Far and beyond.

>The Workbench that I currently use looks very little like the screenshots
>that plague the manuals and magazines.  I use my own combination of colors,
>fonts, icons, window placement, and utilities which I find to be very
>comfortable and pleasant to use.  I have also looked at snapshots posted
>to the archive sites by others and have borrowed ideas and styles that I
>liked.  The amazing thing about the Workbench is how very different each
>individual's particular setup can be.  Yet there is enough standardization
>to allow another Amiga user to easily find their way around without help.
>
>I invite you to take a look at some of these screenshots and would also
>like to view your, Dan, Jerry, and others OS/2 setups.  Most of the Amiga
>screenshots are in IFF and should be viewable on any PC with VGA or better.
>I do not know what format is most common on the PC, but most Amiga owners
>can easily read GIF files and PCX, TIFF, JPEG, and others are also okay.  
>
>There are several Workbench snapshots in the amiga.physik mirrors in the
>directories /pix/wb and /pix/wbpic.

I got some WB shots, but they are in IFF mode or whatever.  Aren't there
some plain old GIFs anywhere?

Also, I'd love to make screen captures of my desktop, but I don't know how to 
do that.  I'll fool around with it, and see.   

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
--
Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy (Was: Re: Educational Software/CDTV)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:35:47 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
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Keywords: Tandy

In article <10237@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>
>Please add: ONLY in USA. After they had some success with their first
>computers here in Germany, they also tried to gain impact in the general
>electronics market with their chain of shops. They had two of them here
>in Frankfurt, don't know much about the rest of the country. But they
>are gone, no Tandy around anymore. And probably also not in the rest
>of Europe.
>

We have Tandy stores here in the UK, infact they are everywhere. But guess
what computer they always have on display in the front window...

The Amiga 600 of course.

>-- 
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!


-- 
Peter Mitchell - Senior Design Engineer.   | 
Dept.92941, TXE Engineering,               |  A Mac A Day Makes Your Brain
NT Europe LTD.                             |           Rot Away :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:23:55 GMT

In article <1h2qfkINNjg9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>In article <BzKosp.2zF@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   It looks like Commodore really is going to be the last major personal
>>computer company to bring out a desktop computer with a CD-ROM drive.  Really
>>pathetic.
>
>You mean the CDTV (A500)?

   The CDTV isn't a computer.  Commodore said so.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: The MARCstation!! (was Re: Future Amiga chipsets)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:52:15 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <1992Dec14.121614.3327@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>Marc, you are a dweeb. You wouldn't have put anything into a high-end
>>computer because you don't build nor sell any.

In article <1992Dec14.161924.18985@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>What, haven't you caught wind of the Marcstation I? These are the rumored
>features I've heard:
[incredibly funny list of features deleted]

	Wonderful!!  I have heard of this great new machine too.  Here are
some more features from the rumor-mill...

o	8-bit audio chip (since 8 bits is enough for anything) with special
	"instant gratification" button.  Press it, and it lets out a big
	whine.

o	Rated at 2000 SPEC-Marcs, the standard unit of how "balanced" a
	computer system is.  The MARCstation is so "balanced" that it won't
	budge, even if you hit it with a hammer.  Believe me, we tried.

o	Keyboard has a built-in "repeat" key which automatically retransmits
	the same key sequences over and over.

o	Free subscription to the "MARCstation Monthly", a magazine devoted
	entirely to this amazing machine.  Just to make sure that you don't
	miss anything, every issue of MARCstation Monthly has exactly the
	same articles in it.

o	Special "signature edition" available!  The inside of the computer
	case contains Marc's signature, a digitized photo melted into the
	plastic, and the caption "An Amiga Pioneer."

o	Special "try before you buy" leasing plan!!  Just fill out an
	application and drop it off at your local MARCstation dealer.  Then,
	you are shut in an isolation chamber for 48 hours and encouraged to
	form strong opinions about the machine without actually using one.

This is fun....  I wish I'd thought of it.

                                                        Dan
							(no relation)

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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:59:20 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Dec2.062017.2622@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> baltzebw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Bruce W. Baltzer) writes:
>svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond) writes:
>
>>> >other places you mention may be farther, but the US is hardly the 'leader in
>>> >every front' you state it to be.  actually, the US is slipping as a world
>
>>has many flaws in it, for the most part your political system.  Blind claims
>>as to "world leader in every front" are unrealistic, Bruce.  The Netherlands has
>
>actually, it was mike who claimed the US was the world leader in every front -
>i was disagreeing, saying those were words spoken in ignorance of the facts.
>i was making no such claims for canada.  though as for the 'extra freedoms'
>enjoyed in the states, i personally don't mind not being able to buy automatic
>or military spec weapons... :-)

Typical.. America bashers arguing amongst themselves.

As it should be.

Sorry, guys, but the US is still the best.  There is more opportunity
here than in any other place and ESPECIALLY for minorities.

As someone wisely pointed out earlier... name one racial group that
does not have successful members in it.

And Canada?  A world leader?  They're smart enough to tow our line.
Canada is a great place, and mostly because it understood early that
it was just fine to stand in our shadows, to learn from us
and benefit from our technology.  Very smart folks.

No, the US is the only superpower, and as we deal with future complex
problems, like 3rd-world countries trying to aquire significant
nuclear stockpiles, the role this country plays will become ever more
important.

Who has sent troops to help in Somalia?  Canada?  No, America
risks the lives of it's own for that country.

Who organized, spearheaded, and dominated in the Gulf War.  Canada?

Canada does a fine job taking care of it's own.  They don't pretend
to be a major force in anything.  Why do you argue otherwise?

America is a great place, and until we all get behind it again, and
STOP BAD-MOUTHING IT, we will continue to have terrible problems
like violence, unemployment, etc. etc.

And we are a world leader.  In every front.  Others do great in some
areas, we do great in all, with the possible exception of being
able to establish a credible House of Representatives...our Congress
is one of this countries biggest problems.  Turn your energies there.
Realize the problem and fix it.  But don't just bad-mouth.  It makes you
sound so... so... liberal!