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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:48:19 GMT

Dave> == Dave Ratcliffe <dave@frackit.UUCP> 

 Dave> And, it's equally bad manners to assume everyone reading news on
 Dave> a Unix box automatically HAS killfiles. They don't always. Bnews
 Dave> runs on Unix and does NOT support killfiles.

Neither does C news.  Neither does INN.  They're not newsreaders (though
B and C come with "readnews" as I recall).  "Get a better newsreader"
still applies, more so because there are so many free ones for Unix.
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From: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Romantic helmets" Neilski)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:

>In California, mopeds (and bicycles) can share the surface streets with
>automobiles ... but they are illegal on the freeways ......

In the UK, it's the same.  Model A's *are* allowed on the motorways.
Whether they would be well-advised to do so is another question ...

-- neilski

-- 
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:03:55 GMT
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <gu90RB1w165w@mantis.co.uk>, jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan
Egre') writes:
|>
|>Whether or not a separation SHOULD occur depends mainly on exactly how many
|>people would like to see separate newsgroups for blues and jazz.
|>
|>In other words, I think a CFV would be a good idea.
|>

 I agree, it seems that no new points are being made. We have two camps
 which seem to be quite solidly entrenched. Could we bring this to a vote?
 I'd vote "Yes" let' split the group, nothing would be lost, only some
 childish attachements to a quirky name. 
                                                   
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:48:36 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat):
>"comp.unix.pc-clone.x" would include 16-bit machines.

In theory, sure.  In practice, what person is so completely bonkers as
to run (1) UNIX and (2) X on a '286?!  I don't think that MIT server
has even been ported to the '286, ever!  And if it has, it's just a
dancing bear (the wonder isn't that it dances well, but that it dances
at all).

Accordingly, I still like "comp.unix.pc-clone.x".  
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: QUESTION! Is there a group discussing terrorists ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:35:08 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <26827@castle.ed.ac.uk> woody@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Woodrow) writes:

>YES, just that.  Is there a newsgroup or list discussing terrorists and     
>terrorism ?  NO I'm not looking for hints and tips.   :-)

In what respect? Political motivation? Tactics? Previous incidents? I
don't know of a single group for discussion of terrorism but I can think
of several where specific discussions could belong.

-Geoff
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.croatia
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:27:18 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Joseph R Blazic <blazic@ecf.toronto.edu> writes:
>I have long ago come to the conclusion (as have many other people) that
>soc.culture.yugoslavia is a completely inviable forum for constructive
>discussion of issues pertaining to Croatia and its citizens.  Most people
>have grown tired of typing "rn", only to see 50 + messages in s.c.yu, knowing
>that most of them about the latest fighting on the territories of former
>Yugoslavia.

There's no reason to believe that s.c.croatia would be any different.
The only thing you would be saved would be the Macedonia discussions.

Neither you like it our not Montenegrian, Serbian, Bosnian and Croatia 
issues will be entwined for a forseeable future.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.140613.24320@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:
>Well, "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" will get DOS and Windows folks involved,
>and we don't want that.

If the discussions center around ports of X, such as DesqView/X or a
system which allows X and MS-Windows to co-exist, then DOS and Windows
folk *should* be allowed in the newsgroup.  Also, check out the other
thread in news.groups talking about the potential reorg of
comp.windows.*, which has the main purpose of changing the "windows"
portion of the name to reduce confusion over "windowing system" vs
"MS-Windows".  Any potential vote on "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" should
also include the provision that if a "comp.windows.*" reorg is
successful, this group will go there.  Assuming the reorg comes to a
vote, that is.

>"comp.unix.pc-clone.x" would include 16-bit machines.
>"comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit.x" is just too much, in my opinion.

I think it fits better under comp.windows.x, and not comp.unix, since
X does not require Unix.  Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong
with comp.windows.x.pc-clone, especially if the c.w.* reorg goes through
as well.  I'd also say there's no need to distinguish 32-bit from 16-bit
at this time.  If it really gets troublesome in the future, then a
split into comp.windows.x.pc-clone.{16bit,32bit} can be done at that
time.

-- 
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From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:06:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Oct9.230659.15796
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Sounds interesting.  Go for creation...

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From: berkt@scs (Toby Berk)
Subject: rec.crafts.metalworking
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:29:38 GMT

rec.crafts.metalworking is long overdue.  It doesn't overlap
any existing groups, it is an area of significant interest.

Let's do it.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Date: 16 Oct 1992 10:50:17 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <7572@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>1) Upper case newsgroup names are a serious loss on systems other than Unix
>with case-sensitive file names.

Oops. I meant case-insensitive file names, of course.
-- 
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:36:33 GMT

In article <431@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
> In article <id.GN0U._08@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> >No, it's not. That move, in fact, was an attempt to resolve the ongoing problem
> >of Microsoft Windows users posting MS-specific questions to comp.windows.misc.

> The key word here is "attempt".  It was an attempt that failed.

I don't see that it was in any way a failure. It certainly decreased the
recividism rate, so far as I can tell from responses I've gotten from newbies
I've sent mail to. The response is "comp.os.ms-windows, cool" instead of
"comp.windows.ms, huh?".

In any case, you COMPLETELY missed my point, which was:

> >The problem long predated the move.

That is, the move did not cause the problem, nor did it make the problem worse,
therefore there is no reason to back out of it. If you have evidence that it
DID make things worse, present it: that's not the impression I've developed.
-- 
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:57:40 GMT

In article <631@lax.lax.pe-nelson.com> twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown) writes:
> There will be questions about MS Windows that have a place in a general
> GUI discussion.  Unfortunately it is true that most of the comp.windows.misc
> posts are highly MS Windows specific and not miscellaneous at all.

The problem is that most of the MS-Windows posts are *operating system*
related, and have very little to do with the window system at all. If
they were discussing the GUI and API and how they relate, it wouldn't be
such problem. And I wouldn't be taking pot-shots at them. Most of the
Windows articles are about S3 drivers and other O/S related esoterica,
though, and wouldn't fit in comp.{windowing,gui}.mswindows either.

If it's necessary to create an MS-Windows *gui* group later, let's. Right
now I don't see any traffic that would fit there.
-- 
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Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                              'U` 
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+1 713 274 5180                       "Tjener, denne ret er stadig levende."
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From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:40:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.114011.5324@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>In article <92275.130714MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>*In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net>, pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
>*says:
>*>
>*>Request for Discussion
>*>
>*>Newsgroup: rec.arts.marching
>*>
>*>Purpose: Discussion of Drum & Bugle Corps, Bands, and Color Guards
>*>
>*>Why: The Drum & Bugle Corps (D&B) competetive season is held over the summer.
>*>This year, USENET discussion of D&B has been held in the newsgroup
>*>alt.drumcorps.  There was high-quality discussion of the competetive season,
>*>etc. from at least 100 different posters. We have a FAQ which has been posted
>*>to news.answers.
>*>
>*In my opinion, the group should focus on drum corps. My preference for a name
>*would be rec.drumcorps.
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Absolutely not.
>
>While drumcorps is the primary focus, it is NOT anywhere near large enough
>to fit directly under rec.
>

I have to agree on this point.  It is much too small of a group to be included
so high up in the "rec" hierarchy.


I like the idea of the newsgroup: rec.arts.drumcorps.  That way it is not 
constrained under the text of "marching".  Most drum corps' do not march at
all.  Shows are now intricately chorographed (sp?).  Very little marching 
takes place.  So I don't feel we should have the sub group "marching" 
included at all.

Just my $0.03

-- Chris

 

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From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: rec.games.mecha
	<1992Oct1.005555.25895@netcom.com>
	<1992Oct14.034742.12575@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.034742.12575@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Chris Meadows) writes:

   Also, there is at least one other genre-related game group that does
   not come under the header of rec.games.frp.*.  This group is           
   rec.games.cyber.

rec.games.cyber predated the rec.games.frp reorganization and was
specifically named that way by its proposer to avoid all of problems
people were having with a large contingent of frp'ers who were voting
against splitting rec.games.frp reorganizations.  Now that the
reorganization has finally been accomplished there is no reason not to
put roll-playing games back in rec.games.frp where they belong.
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From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.130217.12582@zip.eecs.umich.edu> huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) writes:
>I agree there have been problems in CBIPA (frankly, I've unsubscribed
>since I can't cut through the chaff).  Question: what will happen to CBIPA?
>Is it proposed to leave it alone as-is (and thus overlap the proposed
>group in content area) or remove it?

This dilemma kept us stalled for quite awhile and delayed the RFD
before we suddenly realized that we were trying to cover too many
things at one go.  Thus the current RFD is on creating
  comp.archives.msdos.announce (moderated)
  comp.archives.msdos.d

Now this certainly does not mean that one should not discuss the
future fo comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives.  We just left out this part
from the current RFD in order not to complicate things.  If users
wish to remove CBIP.archives I think we must have a separate RFD to
that effect.  But of course we can (and should) discuss whether such
an RFD is in order.  My feeling on this is to cross that bridge when
we come to it.  That is _first_ get the new groups created, and then
return to the fate of CBIP.archives.  But in the long run I feel
that CBIP.archives should be discontunued.  It has ceased to serve
any useful function. 

Would this step-wise way of proceeding sound reasonable?

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:02:00 GMT
	<1992Oct1.135646.23823@bmers145.bnr.ca> <91773@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Kulawiec (rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu)

Rich> The thing we'd gain is confusion over which group (if either) is
Rich> appropriate for music that can't be clearly labeled "jazz" or
Rich> "blues".

We'd also gain lots of "Go post in the Blues newsgroup, you bonehead"
flames. 

Rich> Of all the hundreds of newsgroups that I've watched come and go
Rich> over the years, rec.music.bluenote has had one of the best track
Rich> records in terms of the quality of contributions.

I Agree. From the traffic I see in r.m.b., I see no reason whatsoever
to split it.

/Lars
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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:38:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>The stuff mentioned here is entirely confined to the USA, so unless you
>intend to include Scottish-style pipe bands, Maori haka, Bavarian oompah
>and English girls' kazoo bands in your remit, the group should go under the
>"usa" hierarchy (assuming that now exists), and not under a hierarchy like
>"rec" which will default to world distribution.

This is simply not true.  There have been active drum corps associations
in the UK (DCUK), Germany, Holland (DCH), Japan, India, for several years,
just to name a few.  Oh and how could I forget Canada which has often produced
top-12 corps.  DCI is not Drum Corps INTERNATIONAL for nothing.  Recent
finals have included such corps from non-USA countries.  We have even had
at least one individual posting to alt.drumcorps who was involved in one
of European associations.

                                                  Scott
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From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:07:23 GMT

In article <2AD70964.5D60@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat):
> >"comp.unix.pc-clone.x" would include 16-bit machines.
> 
> In theory, sure.  In practice, what person is so completely bonkers as
> to run (1) UNIX and (2) X on a '286?!  I don't think that MIT server
> has even been ported to the '286, ever!  And if it has, it's just a
> dancing bear (the wonder isn't that it dances well, but that it dances
> at all).
> 
> Accordingly, I still like "comp.unix.pc-clone.x".  
> -- 
> Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>    "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini


Not to be overly argumentative, but why then is there a need for
comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit and comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit?

Anyhow, the overwhelming number of responses say to keep it under
comp.windows.x, so if you have a good solution to that problem
I'd really like to hear it.  Otherwise, we're likely to wind up
with comp.windows.x.pc-unix, which is the best anyone has been able
to think of.

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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:28:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) writes:
> 
> NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
> 	soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya
> 
> 	vi)	To add some diversity in the religous newsgroups so far 
> 		present on Usenet.
I applaud and welcome diversity 'cause diversity + justice = peace
> 
> 	vii)	To Discuss why this particular religous sect is so widely
> 		persecuted in general and in the Islamic world in special.
> 	The group will be MODERATED because of its controversial nature.
I'll bet.

> Moderator:	Nabeel A. Rana  (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu)
> 
> 	Ahmadiyya Islam is a sect of Islam which believes in the second 
> comming of Jesus Christ. The sect believes that the Promised Messiah 
> has appeared about a hundred years ago. This sect was founded by Hazrat
> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, who claimed to be the promised Messiah 

> its growth is destined to engulf all of mankind. The Ahmadiyya Muslim
Engulf all of mankind and there won't be diversity.

> Community is a highly organized community. They stand established in 120 
> countries of the world. They have one supreme head, which is called the
> Khalifa, who is Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the fourth sucsessor of the 
> founder of the Movement. 
Does the Khalifa read the internet?
> 
>
soc.religion.* YES

 
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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Quotes/Tags/.Sigs group?
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:02:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <rdippold.718849847@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>No, I'm not talking about alt.fan.warlord, just wondering if there was
>any interest in a group where we could get together and discuss and
>exchange taglines/.sig quotes.  Say, rec.humor.taglines.  But they're
>not all humorous.  news.taglines?  So the questions I have are:

>1) Anyone interested?

 We have a group for everything else under the sun, so why not?

>2) What the hell to call it.

 How about rec.closed.loop or rec.klein.bottle?

>-- 
>"You tweachewous miscweant!" -- Elmer Fudd

Larry J

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