From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What do I think about the "Protection Bill" ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:01:58 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <1992Oct13.012139.19355@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <7530@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct12.113514.3396@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>>In article <7494@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Oct11.155334.26286@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>>>>In article <Bvy4Cs.6I8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
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>I see your point that the bill is one part of the pressure on the CCP, but
>it bothers me that it just happens to coincide with what (almost) every
>Chinese in the U.S. wanted before 6/4: to get a green card. Of all the 
>things the CSS could have pushed, it's more than coincidental, in my
>opinion, that they demanded green cards.
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	Your "could have pushed" should be changed into "have pushed" to
be more realistic. As I ever said it's nothing wrong for one to try to
get green card in ANY situations. Is this your point: "it's fine for you
to get green cards but just don't use 6/4 as excuse"? You have worried
too much about the "excuses" and have gone too far such that you don't
even think CSS have been pushing hard in many of thausands ways to the
Chinese goverment to improve human rights conditions and yet concluded
that demanding green cards is the only thing these selfish CSS have done
in the past years. I don't know if any body would agree with this. If
you don't agree with this, throw away acusing people to use "wrong"
excuses, and see what else you can blame on this issue.

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>If the CSS in the U.S. are not safe, then every Chinese in China is not 
>safe. The average Chinese in the U.S. will be persecuted in China only 
>if he/she "makes trouble". How does that make them any different from
>the Chinese in China? They're not any more at risk than when they came to
>the U.S.
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	Yes. 100% correct! And that is why once CSS get out of China,
they don't want to come back if they can find way out. Tell you what, Trying
to stay in US is not totaly caused by life hardship in China. Work
conditions in general and political situation are acountable in a heavy
weight. Imagine that if China has good human rights conditions and the
goverment grant (sorry, I have to use this word though it may not be
right) thier citizens the constitutional rights, guess what, I bet there
will be whole lot of CSS willing to go back to truely serve thier
motherland happyly and competetively.

>If you consider calling the CCP names while one runs away, then yes, I
>think the students in the US have been pressuring the CCP.

	I think the Chinese goverment has already got headach from being
pressured from US in human rights issues pushed hard by thier own
students in US.

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>What I say and who I blame is obviously of little consequence to anyone. I'm
>just trying to point out that how I feel is how a lot of Chinese in China
>are going to feel. Your arguments about being at risk, and pressuring the
>CCP by getting yourselves green cards are going to be considered self-
>serving and opportunistic. I respect dissenting opinions, but time will
>tell.
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	You know how much true information can get through to China and
how the Chinese goverment will educate thier people. I certainly believe
that some Chinese in China do not agree with the bill and to more
realistic, those in China capable to get out there in the future and
somehow covered to be able to stay in US because of bad huamn rights
conditions in China, will be also happy to benifit from it. All what I
mean is that there is no clear division line in nature beteewn those
here and there.
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