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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Ramblings
Organization: Clark University
Date: 9 SEP 92 01:57:29 GMT


In a previous article, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) wrote:
> 
>   Mike Lupica, a sports reporter, claims that what today's
>players lack is the kind of intensity that drives players
>like Connors.  Connors never gives up...
>He claims today's players
>are money grubbing and complain and whine about life in the
>high pressure world of tennis, and they have no right to
>do so. 
>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu

I take exception to comments like that from Mike Lupica. As if he's 
qualified to judge the rigors of the tour! And how would he know which
players have "intensity?" I'd say that all of the top names do, the 
difference being that Connors is more demonstrative than most.

I must admit that I'm biased when it comes to Connors. He's certainly 
left his mark on the sport, but one thing he's never had is class. Sure,
it's great that he can still add alot of excitement to the game, but I've
seen him be unsportsmanlike too many times to make up for "heroics."

And I'm not talking about profanity or arguing line calls. (One of my 
favorite players is John McEnroe.) I'm talking about trying to be a 
sympathetic figure to the crowd and being a sore loser. I've seen too
many matches with Connors, especially in the past few years, where he's
been a very ungracious loser. Perhaps his "intensity" is commendable,
but it irritates me when Mike Lupica tries to make him out as some kind
of role model.

-				|   "A guy with a hard-on is not
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    my idea of art."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- John Mellencamp
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From: dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee)
Subject: US Open Info Updates: to US residents
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:01:22 GMT

Hi netters,
Folks out here in Singapore (like me) are dying to know the latest info
about the US open.  If one of you could get to a terminal and post the
scores (who cares about reports on the matches just after they are done)
of the key matches, people who live 12 hours ahead of Eastern time would
really appreciate it; since we only get it on the newspapers like the
following morning, which makes the results rather stale.

Thanks,
>Dennis.
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Post the results
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:53:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep8.235744.29449@nmsu.edu>, ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIA
M) writes:
>What happened to the fourth round matches between Becker and Lendl,
>Edberg and Krajicek, Chang and Washington, and Ferreira and Sanchez.
>
>Siva
>
Chang beat Washington 6-2,2-6,3-6,6-3,6-1
Edberg beat Krajicek  6-4,6-7(6-8),6-3,3-6,6-4
Ferreira beat Snachez 6-2,4-6,2-6,6-4

I don't know about Becker/Lendl.  I didn't stay up.
-- 

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        *   Gail A. Fullman   *
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From: int281x@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox)
Subject: 5th set tie-breaks ?
Organization: Monash University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:02:02 GMT

Why are they playing 5th set tie-breaks at the U.S. Open.  As long as I've
known 5th sets are played to advantage aren't they ? Is this exclusive to the
U.S. open and if so why ?

Simon

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: RE: Ramblings
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:27:31 GMT

In article <9SEP92.01572926@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
> 
> I take exception to comments like that from Mike Lupica. As if he's 
> qualified to judge the rigors of the tour! And how would he know which
> players have "intensity?" I'd say that all of the top names do, the 
> difference being that Connors is more demonstrative than most.
> 
> I must admit that I'm biased when it comes to Connors. He's certainly 
> left his mark on the sport, but one thing he's never had is class. Sure,
> it's great that he can still add alot of excitement to the game, but I've
> seen him be unsportsmanlike too many times to make up for "heroics."
> 
> And I'm not talking about profanity or arguing line calls. (One of my 
> favorite players is John McEnroe.) I'm talking about trying to be a 
> sympathetic figure to the crowd and being a sore loser. I've seen too
> many matches with Connors, especially in the past few years, where he's
> been a very ungracious loser. Perhaps his "intensity" is commendable,
> but it irritates me when Mike Lupica tries to make him out as some kind
> of role model.
> 

   Different people will forgive different things.  I don't mind
McEnroe, but for some reason I find him the harshest arguer
of all of them.  For some reason, if I were chair umpire, neither
Connors nor Lendl arguing would bother me.  In any case, fans
ignore Connors' bad traits and only see his competitiveness, and
I assume that is what Lupica like.  In fact, Lupica himself has
felt the Connors abuses official and opponents too much, and I
think he wasn't even on speaking terms with Connors for a while.
However, he must feel that sport is winning, and that by not
giving it your full effort, you are cheating yourself, and he
sees a lot of up and coming players who can take the money
and run.

   I don't defend Connors.  Actually, I don't care one way
or the other about him.  While I like Lendl, he also complains
a lot, and it is because people like Mac and Connors can get
points changed or influence officials, that he has gone ahead
and started complaining.  When he first started, he rarely
complained, but by 1985 or so, he was routinely complaining.
Still, I tend to ignore that, and enjoy his play.  So, a lot
of people ignore the bad parts and just look at the good.
It doesn't make the bad parts right, though.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: speed of a serve
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:14:08 GMT

Referring back to the original poster's question, I would ask why, in
a tennis context (rather than, say, interest in the science of it), it
even matters where or how (but especially where) the speed is measured.  
[Try to diagram that sentence!!]  But really, it is an index for relative 
rating only, no?  The absolute number (Tanner's 150+ or Forget's 129) only 
impresses you when you learn the speed of others' similarly measured.

Considering that it can most likely sense only one component of the ball's
motion, it is probably not justified to distinguish between 128 and 129 mph
anyhow.  Serves down the middle may clock inherently faster than ones out
wide.

--
JB
"M or W?"
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Jen Capriati
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:25:07 GMT

Despite of all the hype Capriati again received since she won
the gold medal, it is quite clear to me that she really hasn't been
playing all that well this summer, except for two very good matches
at the Olympics.

Before the Olympics, Capriati played an exhibition at Mahwah, NJ
and was easily wiped out by Seles 6-4, 6-1?  While Capriati played
really well in the Olympics semi and final, both Sanchez-Vicario
and Graf were off in those matches. For example, Graf's first serve
dropped to about 50% instead of 70% in the earlier rounds. The
American media conveniently ignored all that and quickly praised
how "great" Capriati was. Two weeks ago in San Diego, Capriati fell
behind 0-4 in the first set in both the quarter and semi finals.
Even Capriati herself admitted that she was lucky to win. In the
final, she beat an injured Martinez. The pattern of "falling behind
early" continued in the first round of the US Open. For whatever
reason, Mary Carillo picked Capriati to win the US Open but admitted
that she could not win playing like that. (Doesn't Carillo realize
that Capriati hasn't been playing that well all along?) Capriati's
luck finally ran out in the third round against Patricia Hy when she
failed to come from behind one more time.

As I said many times before, Capriati's career is designed to generate
as much public attention and hype as possible so that the parents
and agents can rip the benefits from exhibitions and endorsements.
From that perspective, they are very successful; Capriati's endorsement
is reportly over $7M already. However, they also generate a lot of
pressure and unrealistic expectations on a 16 year old. When the
expectation was off for a while earlier this year, Capriati played
her best tennis and won the gold medal "out of innocence" as Jim
Courier put it. But as soon as Capriati gets a little bit of success.
All the hype is back and people pretend as if everything is fine again.
Worst of all is that Capriati herself is convinced that she is already
a great player and expects herself to win Grand Slam events. When
ther pressure is back, Capriati plays poorly again.

I just don't know how many more emotional rolla costa a 16 year old
can take. When Capriati has another "big win" next time, I can see
all sorts of hype and unrealistic predictions resurface again.
If Capriati is lucky, she'll probably become another Sabatini,
which is not bad at all. If not, we are probably seeing another
Andrea Jeager in the making. :-(
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
From: manuvir@cs.wisc.edu (Manuvir Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Agassi
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:20:34 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

|> In article <18i99dINNh0r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Karthik H. Subramanian) writes:
|> >
|> >	Andre Agassi is the biggest fag in this hemisphere.  He can't play
|> a lick of tennis.  The only reason he won Wimbledon was because for s
|> >matches he played incredible tennis and his opponents happily self-
|> >destructed.  I don't think Goran Ivanisevic should have lost to him or
|> >that Agassi should have even come close to beating him.  Agassi is a 
|> >teeny-bopping fame-seeker that uses tennis to get endorsement money.
|> >Agassi will never again win a grand slam title because someone will
|> >constantly rise up and beat the skank.  Agassi does not have the mental
|> >stability of other great players to stay on top of the game.  
|> 

Wake up, man. Have you ever had the experience of feeling like the greatest
player around when you hit a great return off a great serve? If not, don't
bother with comments on Agassi. If you have - well, Agassi must feel like
that most of the time, musn't he?

As for your -

|> > The only reason he won Wimbledon was because for seven matches he 
|> > played incredible tennis

The only reason he LOST the French finals was that the other guy happened
to play great tennis that day.

Manuvir.
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From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Lou  Wang)
Subject: Match Result of Chang vs.Ferreira ?
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:39:51 GMT


The title says all. 
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Alternative to Super Saturday
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:55:37 GMT

In article <2493@tymix.Tymnet.COM> knarayan@netplan writes:
>This brings up something I feel quite strongly about: subjecting the top
>players to the madness of "Super Saturday". Not only is it physically too 
>demanding to play the semifinals on Saturday and come back for the
>finals on Sunday, but what happens is that the fans get to see an
>exhausted, injury-ridden abbreviated final which leads everyone to 
>complain that tennis players get to be paid too much for giving too
>little. This vicious circle has got to end.

Actually, this problem can be solved by moving the US Open
to a week earlier. The final weekend will fall into the
Labor Day long weekend in the US. Therefore, they can have
the men's semi on Saturday, women's final on Sunday and
men's final on the Labor Day Monday (a holiday). They just
need to start the men's final late enough in the afternoon
such that TV viewers in Eurpoe can catch it at their "prime
time" in the evening.

-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: The Future of Women's Tennis
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.021630.28950@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>
>    Oh yes, let me get back to the match yesterday between
>Mary Pierce (originally of the US, but represents France)
>and Mary Joe Fernandez.  As Anne mentioned earlier, Tracy
>basically repeated the same sentiment that Shun has pointed
>out.  Namely, players hit too hard and go for winners, and
>don't know how to set up points.

No Tracy Austin didn't learn that from me :-).  Seriously, it is
very apparent the young women players only know to hit hard on
every stroke with virtually no strategy. As I pointed out before,
the four highest ranked teenagers all play this way: Seles,
Capriati, Huber and Pierce. Clearly it wins matches or Seles wouldn't
be #1 for over a year now. What separates Seles form the others
is that she has much better accuracy and consistency, and of course
her mental toughness is second to none. As Quan said last week,
Capriati and Huber (and Pierce too) can beat anybody or lose to
anybody. The US Open semi match between Seles and Capriati last year
was a good example of this problem. Some people really like that
match because it was close and therefore exciting, but IMHO the
quality wasn't that high. Seles and Capriati just bang the ball
as hard as possible until one made an unforced error. Pretty much
the same thing happened when Huber and Capriati played each other
at the Olympics and in San Diego recently. The way Pierce kept
hitting hard and making unforced errors to beat herself against
Mary Joe was very disappointing to watch. :-(

After Martina, Steffi, Gaby, ... all retire, will this be the only
type of tennis left among the women?
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
From: mhopper@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mark Hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: McEnroe doubles arguement ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:05:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  I heard today from a friend that John McEnroe had become involved
  in an arguement (hard to believe) while playing a doubles match.
  From what I heard, one of Mac's opponents became upset while 
  McEnroe was arguing a line call with the offical.  None the less
  some words were exchanged and after the match, Mac's opponent was 
  irate and was yelling at McEnroe that he wanted to meet him after 
  the match to settle things.  Also there were quite a few bleep outs
  due to the fowl language.
  I have been watching some coverage on USA but I have heard nothing 
  of the incident.  I was hoping someone else had seen it as well and could
  fill in the details.
     Thanks - MH
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open - General Observations
Date: 12 Sep 1992 23:13:26 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:

>Please explain this paranoid conclusion.  I criticize a segment of Agassi's
>fans as not being tennis fans, but just teenybopper star gazers, and then

And that is the WHOLE point!!! By being fans of Agassi, they are 
AUTOMATICALY fans of tennis. I hate to tell you this, but CBS
doesn't broadcast 10hrs of tennis coverage on a Saturday (as they
did on 9-12-92) for "real" fans like you and me. There simply
aren't enough fans like you and me to make it worth their
while. So I think you had better start having more respect for
"fruitcakes from las vegas"'s since they are the reason we even get
to watch the Pros play.
  
>Agassi?  I believe other Agassi fans also were disappointed at his remarks,
>as well as his on-court behavior.  Criticism of his behavior --- and of the

No . . . I was impressed at the accuracy of his prediction!!!

>obviously different composition of his fandom --- is what seems
>to not be allowed --- by you.

"Different composition of his fandom" ?!?!?!? Dude, if you have
to come up with a phrase like that, you know you are in trouble,
probably losing.

>I made a prediction that Agassi will not repeat his success at Wimbledon.

I would like to know how the BITTERNESS of your "predicition" that
Agassi will never win another Grand Slam differs from his? It's 
a jackass who convicts others of the same crime he commits
willingly.

>The use of words like "nazi" to discuss opinions about tennis matches and
>TV audiences is quite a bit more unsettling than the opinions themselves.

Not withstanding that the above comments make no sense whatsoever 
(if Hitler were ever to direct his attention to tennis, we should
not be alarmed), YOUR statements were the ones the were UNSETTLING!!!
Tennis is a SPECIAL sport, that should only be viewed by those
who UNDERSTAND the sport. I see you post from Virginia, and thus
should understand that to get more tennis coverage on TV, we
need to broaden the appeal of tennis. WAKE UP?!?

>Obviously, you should have taken that shower rather than posting your ill
>logic, psychobabble and politically charged drivel.

Maybe you should close your mouth, and open your mind. That is
if you are a TRUE tennis fan.

>|||  clc5q@virginia.edu (Clark L. Coleman)

Stan
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From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Give A. Sanchez credit
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:57:38 GMT

The point was that Sanchez didn't win the match Graf lost it.

Anybody see Sanchez bouncing around more than usual (if there can ever
be a more than usual) in game before she served for the match.  These
tactics are simply not acceptable and should be monitored more stringently.

I will say this and give myself some rope.  Fernandez won't have a chance
against Seles her serve always crumbles I predict 3 3.

Seles has the open in the bag and this is from a die hard Graf fan.
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From: mirsip@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Ivan Popstefanija)
Subject: Re: Monica, the Yugoslavian
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:47:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.220938.9526@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:

>Monica Seles is a Yugoslavian citizen, or at least what's left
>of it.  Was this one reason why she did not participate in the
>Barcelona Olympics?

   No, the reson she could not play in the Olympics was her cancelation
to play for Yugoslavia in the Federation Cup in 1991. She showed some
desire this year to play in the Olympics, but the Tennis Association
stuck to its rules. To bad!

> She sounds
>and acts American, doesn't she?
>
>                                                -TEG
 She lives in USA since her age of 12.

   Ivan P.

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Men's Draw Updated (as of Sept. 7)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:16:07 GMT

             Courier (1) --------+ Courier
                                 |--------+
         J. McEnroe (16) --------+        |
                                          |--------+
              Costa (10) --------+        |        |
                                 |--------+        |
              Agassi (8) --------+ Agassi          |
                                                   |--------+
             Sampras (3) --------+ Sampras         |        |
                                 |--------+        |        |
             Forget (13) --------+        |        |        |
                                          |--------+        |
                Gillbert --------+        |                 |
                                 |--------+                 |
                  Volkov --------+ Volkov                   |
                                                            |
                                                            +--------> Champion
                                                            |
               E Sanchez --------+                          |
                                 |--------+                 |
           Ferreira (12) --------+        |                 |
                                          |--------+        |
         Washington (14) --------+        |        |        |
                                 |--------+        |        |
               Chang (4) --------+                 |        |
                                                   |--------+
              Becker (7) --------+                 |
                                 |--------+        |
                Lendl(9) --------+        |        |
                                          |--------+
           Krajicek (15) --------+        |
                                 |--------+
              Edberg (2) --------+
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From: dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: US Open - early Sunday results (spoilers)
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:16:47 GMT

I also hear that:



Stefan Edberg (2) bt Jonas Svensson 6-4,6-2,6-2.  Was Stefan playing that

well or was Svensson easy meat?

Most of the top men's players are through to the 4th round.  Ivanisevic

was obviously bothered by the food at New York in his straight set loss

(he had complained about it two days ago) in the 3rd round.

How did Becker do in his 3rd round tie?  He faces Lendl next, this

is a difficult quarter, whoever wins the Becker-Lendl matchup gets Stefan

next.  Things have cleared somewhat for Pete Sampras with both Stich and

Goran out.



Keep up the match reports!!!



>Dennis.
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From: sliew@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Selbyn Liew)
Subject: Re: 5th set tie-breaks ?
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:24:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.140304.22802@athena.cs.uga.edu> milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.050202.654@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int281x@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox) writes:
>>Why are they playing 5th set tie-breaks at the U.S. Open.  As long as I've
>>known 5th sets are played to advantage aren't they? Is this exclusive to the
>>U.S. open and if so why ?
>>
>>Simon
>
>Advantage only exists in the 5th set of the French and Wimbledon.
>
>						     Rick

I am quite sure that it exists also in the Australian Open.  Thus, the US
Open is the only one out.

sliew
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