HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cah@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: CA: US Senate Fund Raising
Summary: expenditures by candidate for US Senate seat - California 
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:44:47 GMT

If you don't care about the California Senate seats, or if you wish to
avoid my stinging political commentary :-), press "n" now.

For those not in the know, the "two-year" seat was vacated by Gov.
Pete Wilson upon his assuming his present office.  Seymour was his
appointee to the seat.

Verbatim from LA Times, July 22 1992.

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US Senate Fund Raising

Campaign fund-raising and spending documents filed by candidates for
California's two US Senate seats were released Tuesday.  The reports,
covering May 14 through June 30, are an indicator of a candidate's
ability to finance an expensive statewide campaign:


                                                               Cost**
            5/14 to 6/30       Total         Total      Cash /    per
Candidate   Expenditures    Receipts  Expenditures      Debts*   Vote

                            SIX-YEAR SENATE SEAT

DEMOCRATS
Boxer           $922,436  $5,611,301    $5,244,484    $316,850  $4.10
Levine        $2,282,926  $7,204,465    $6,898,179  $(543,712) $11.79
McCarthy      $1,328,306  $2,983,943    $2,849,679     $54,332  $3.19

REPUBLICANS
Campbell        $622,485  $5,057,936    $4,751,797   $(90,432)  $6.01
Herschensohn  $1,072,551  $3,510,560    $3,446,167  $(473,173)  $4.31
Bono             $65,213    $347,785      $345,408  $(121,542)   $.86


                            TWO-YEAR SENATE SEAT

DEMOCRATS
Davis           $719,092  $2,612,879    $2,389,441    $123,937  $2.52
Feinstein       $807,829  $4,510,548    $3,937,671    $451,456  $2.35

REPUBLICANS
Dannemeyer      $373,528  $3,211,283    $3,197,926  $(443,045)  $5.98
Seymour         $580,383  $4,792,347    $4,526,786    $(5,802)  $4.10


NOTE: Total figures are for Jan. 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992, covering
spending in the primary election.

* Cash on hand minus unpaid bills.  Figures in parentheses are
negative.

** Cost per vote includes total spending (expenditures plus debts)
divided by votes received.
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Personal commentary:

ALL Republican campaigns into debt.  Additionally, the more
conservative the candidate, the more debt.  Too bad there's no
ammunition like this against Bush ... only one Democratic campaigner
went into debt, and he lost.

Both Democratic candidates (Feinstein and Boxer) are starting out with
hundreds of k$.  Seymour is about even, but Herschensohn is in bad
shape financially.  This may be an indicator about the possible
election results.

cash.  Seymour and Herschensohn
-- 
 the only thing that speaks the truth is the eloquence of passing time
                 the spoken word is a jacket too tight
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:38:32 GMT

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>As you pointed out with GM's Spanish production for the European
>>domestic market, BMW's move was primarily to qualify for domestic
>>content in the United States.
>
>  I never said this, and I've never read any statements from either 
>  BMW or any other parties to this deal which suggested that domestic
>  content laws had anything to do with it.   I'm not saying it doesn't
>  but I'd like to see some documentation.

Firstly, I was pointing out your single line about Spanish production
GM being for western Europe ... that falls under EC rules for domestic
content within their trade bloc.  The remainder on domestic content
regulations takes off from there, and these rules have been mentioned
in New York Times and Wall Street Journal articles pertaining to the
recent attack on Canadian-produced Japanese cars with US-assembled
engines that are suddenly being investigated for not having sufficient
"domestic" content under the Auto Pact and the US-Canada Free Trade
Agreement.  While I don't save month-old newspapers, I'd suggest
subscribing to UPI's online Clarinet service, or if your site already
buys it to get the Clari.canada.biz and Clari.news.canada groups,
among others.  (Trade is a big issue in the Canadian media.)  This
issue is still alive and before the bi-national trade council (after
failing the American ITC hearings).  The step after that is GATT.

The New York Times' article on BMW's South Carolina announcement made
a couple of references to the auto dispute with Canada.

Also according to my source (-; and the Times' article, the land has
been bought for the plant but construction has not started yet.  The
layoffs that have already occured in Germany were tactical ones for
BMW to position themselves for labour negotiations.  Whether that
factory will actually be built will depend in part upon success of
the dragging Uruguay-round GATT talks, and possible US-EC trade wars
(which would favour its building, the latter to avoid tariffs).  If
Canada defects from NAFTA, BMW could hold off if Canada links up with
the EC (apparently the conduct of Gen. Mackenzie and his Canadian UN
troops have warmed European hearts in their media) in a favourable
environment they might go to Fort Erie, Ontario instead (gutting the
closed GM plant) to use the Auto Pact and the existing FTA.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixD.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.164106.29920@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jobo@jobo.austin.ibm.com (Joe Bowen) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.014557.23458@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Drew Betz) writes:
>>
>>And you get more dead wives.  Even the gun controllers acknowledge
>>that strict gun control, if it would affect dosmestic violence at
>>all, would reduce the number of murderous husbands being justifiably
>>killed at the expense of greater wife fatalities.
>>

>The actual statistics show a handgun in the home is most likely used 
>against the occupants by an intruder.  The usage of a family member 
>against another in defence is quite low.  And, I doubt that the gun
>controllers acknowledge what you say they acknowledge.

You are in error here.  Where did you get these numbers.  According to the 
FBI Crime Report, it's just he opposit.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:30:19 GMT

In article <c7fm8bd.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.144047.17337@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>[]
>>Smith Corona has announced that it's shutting the doors on
>>its Cortland, NY plant and moving all of its manufacturing
>>operations to Mexico.  There will be *no* typewriter
>>manufacturing left in the U.S. after the move occurs.
>>
>>Thanks, George.
>>-- 
>Thanks, Congress for:
>Minimum wage legislation
 
  Thanks Mr. Crisp, for showing us what ignorance is. 
 
  Now we all know you got straight As in your (economics) courses you took 
at Texas A&M, (I feel sorry for A&M, a fine school nevertheless) let me ask 
you a common sense, 
 
  Where are the minimum wage jobs ?   At GM, GE, Smith Corona ?   

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.guns
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: An invitation to explore the Libertarian Party
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:51:45 GMT

In article <3751@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters) writes:

>So speaks thant@void.esd.sgi.com (Thant Tessman):
>>>I don't own a gun.  I never have, and I probably never will.  However, 
>>>I definitely consider myself strongly on the supporting side of the 
>>>right to keep and bear arms.  Maybe there is more careful wording 
>>>than "gun owners" when refering to that kind of political support.

>So speaks sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman):
>>pro-RKBA'ers
>>pro-gunners
>>Second Amendment supporters
>>?

>I think that "pro-RKBA'ers" is the best wording to use.  It separates
>the principles (protection of freedom, self-defense, militia use, etc)
>from the tools used to defend those principles (the guns themselves).

>Of these two facets, I think that the principles are more important
>than the tools, yet the principles are undefendable without the tools. 
>The two are inseperable, but I think that the distinction need to be
>made.  Hence, I favor "pro-RKBA'ers."

>Anyone else care to add to this little bit of political philosophy?

I use "civil libertarians."
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.155824.4433@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>My concern is to stop, if not all, a big chunk of gun purchases by minors,

How much of a problem is gun purchases by minors which can be
addressed by waiting periods? How long does it take to tell
if a potential customer is a minor? Can we learn anything
from experience with similar issues in alcohol restrictions?

If gun purchases by minors is not an issue, then why did
you bring it up?

-- 
My opinions are my own.
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:21:30 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Jul24.155824.4433@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>Let me state my position better on waiting periods for purchasing handguns
>which was being compared yesterday by Phil Ngai to a waiting period for a 
>woman having  an abortion.
>...
>He pointed out, quite rightfully, that I had stated the need for a _waiting
>period_, as opposed to a _background check_, before someone is allowed to
>purchase a firearm.
>
>My concern is to stop, if not all, a big chunk of gun purchases by minors,
>criminals, etc.  If a background check can be performed in, say, 20 minutes,
>then to me that is a long enough wait.  If the technology's there in terms
>of quick access to up-to-date data, great.

It's already being done in Virginia, which despite being fairly liberal
about allowing its populace to own guns, enjoys a fraction of the armed
crime found in its neighbor, the District of Columbia (where handguns
are banned).

If you support the idea of an instant background check, which would
help keep guns out of the hands of felons and psychotics, without
interfering with the right to self-defense of law-abiding citizens,
CONGRATULATIONS!  You are in complete agreement with the NRA.

It's only $25 per year to join.  (I'm not a member, but maybe I should
be.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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From: shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Clinton's character
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:22:53 GMT
Reply-To: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul21.163141.27287@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

[Note:  I've taken some excerpts from his post]

>Cripple?  Do you see any reason why those who benefit the most from
>our system should not put something back into that system?  If you make
>100K a year, what difference is it going to make if you pay higher taxes?
>You would STILL be making more than a lot of people.
>
>
>  The point is that the rich should give back to society 
>some of what they get, when in fact many
>find every possible way to evade taxes and dodge taxes left and right.
>
>
>If good ideas don't require a great deal of money, then why to the rich
>need to hold on to theirs in order to keep the economy going?
>-- 
What is troublesome about this sort of thinking is its implication
that there is literally no end to the amount of money that the government
can confiscate from its citizens.  Moreover, it is entirely oblivious to
the fact that wealth is property, that it represents in no small way a 
person's time on earth.  

Let's take this into the current political realm.  Clinton and his followers
do not have clue 1 as to what is a "fair" level of taxation.  It's only 
whatever they say it is.  Today it's 37-40% for those earning over 
$200,000.  Tomorrow it may be 50% on them and 40% on those making between
50 and 100,000.  The "fair" rate is based on whatever they think they
"need."  I maintain that this is a pretty faithful to the notion of 
"from each according to his ability to each according to his need."
 
One last point.  Tax evasion is illegal.  Tax avoidance is not.  While I
don't agree with the logic behind every so called "loophole," they were
ostensebly created to encourage certain types of economic activity.  If
you want everyone to be taxed fairly, let's decide on a reasonable rate
(say 10% -- I know it's arbitrary, but what are you going to do?) and
have everyone pay it regardless of income -- no loopholes. 
-- 
Roger Shouse
The University of Chicago 		Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: best@anasazi.com (Mike Best)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.144047.17337@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>[]
>Smith Corona has announced that it's shutting the doors on
>its Cortland, NY plant and moving all of its manufacturing
>operations to Mexico.  There will be *no* typewriter
>manufacturing left in the U.S. after the move occurs.
>
>Thanks, George.

Ugh, since I lived in the Ithaca/Cortland area I would like to point
out that New York (Mario Cuomo Gov) has extremely high taxes.  I would
not be surprised if this is part of the reason that Smith Corona left.

Then again, the only Corona I've ever bought has come from Mexico anyhow:)

Mike Best


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: Re: Wealth Distribution (Was: Clinton's character...)
Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:13:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.094357.29820@cheshire.oxy.edu>, leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
|> Excuse me, but I wonder how many of the people who bitch about people
|> "living off welfare" have ever tried getting by on $400 a month...

I don't know about CA, but a person I know in WV gets free food
(food stamps), free health care, the 4 bedroom house mortgage
subsidized, free heating fuel, student grants and loans, and free
childcare in addition to I guess what you call general relief.

I hope that helps your bleeding heart.

--
  Roger Collins
  rcollins@encore.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Minimum wage: balancing job losses vs pay increases
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul22.233019.9681@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<gggml+-.crisp@netcom.com> <1490@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>
	<1992Jul24.120629.20856@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
	<1992Jul27.153106.14911@tandem.com>
	<hellmann.712258228@oak.cs.scarolina.edu> <!BV-L3B@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 07:53:38 GMT

In article <!BV-L3B@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:

>Teenagers who have jobs develop skills which will help them get better
>paying jobs in the future.  Simple things, like responsibility.  It
>also keeps them off the street.

>|> The people
>|> we should be worried about are the adults who are trying to feed their
>|> families.  What percent of the people working for minimum wage are in
>|> this group?

More than you'd think.

>From the information given above it would seem that 20% or less fall
>into that category.

What is also not taken into account is that there are teenagers who
HAVE to work to help support the family.  I have cousins who had to
work "off the books" before they were officially old enough just to
help their family pay the bills.  My one cousin fixed cars, while the
other had to clean houses until she was old enough to work in a store.
THEN she clerked AND cleaned houses.

>|> Maybe there could be two minimum wages?  One for these kids that don't
>|> have real skill or experience, and one for the people that need the
>|> money and are somewhat skilled and experienced?

How do you determine "need?"

--Lynn
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From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Closing the trade gap (was Re: Adios, Smith Corona)
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:17:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

[Note:  I took out a layer of dialog that didn't get cited, but
 didn't interrupt the exchange I'm commenting on.]

(As far as the Smith Corona story goes, I can only say that they had
it coming to them; the product was uncompetitive 10 years ago when
I bought *my* last typewriter.)

pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>Thanks, George.
>
>Yeah, thanks for the 30% increase in exports, the closing of
>the trade gap, and the increased competitiveness of many American
>companies and industries.   :-)

I see the smiley, but I don't believe the statements.  Have you looked
at the latest trade numbers?  They're a disaster.  The "closing of the
trade gap" has been much oversold, caused, as it was, first by
payments from the allies to cover the expenses of Desert Storm, and
second by the cheapness of the dollar w.r.t. other major currencies,
which is a reflection of our slow economy and it's near-zero real
interest rates.  Now that Japan and Europe are slow, too, it will be
tougher to make progress on this front.

One possible success story on the increased competitiveness front is
in the field of IC production equipment, or so we're told.  I'm not
sure how much this depends on the Sematech government-industry
consortium.  Anybody else know about this one?

jking
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
From: mwalker@wc.novell.com (Mel Walker)
Subject: Re: Wealth Distribution (Was: Clinton's character...)
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.201116.21122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.195725.9314@leland.Stanford.EDU> jimbo@leland.Stanford.ED
>U (Godfather of Soul) writes:
>
>>Here's a couple documented relevant statistics.
>
>>Tax Freedom Day (starting January 1, the days needed to work just to pay
>>federal, state and local taxes)
>>    1977:  April 30, 1977                   1992:  May 5, 1992
>>
>>Top income tax rate (federal)
>>    1977:  70 percent                       1992:  31 precent
>>
>>Proportion of federal income taxes paid by wealthiest 1 percent
>>    1977:  13.6 percent                     1989:  15.4 percent
>>
>>Proportion of federal income taxes paid by poorest 40 percent
>>    1977:  9.2 percent of taxes             1989:  7.9 percent of taxes
>>
>>Source:  Policy Review, Number 61, Summer 1992, pp 86-88.
>>
>>Note that, although the tax rate on the wealthy is much lower than in 1977,
>>they still pay the same percentage of tax--amazing how that works, isn't it?
>>
>>There are many more fun figures--I'll post more if there is interest.
>>--
>>| James W. Brown                | Grad school is like drugs--   |
>>| Chemistry Grad Student        | it's for those who can't      |
>>|                               | handle the real world.        |
>
>Godfather,
>
>I'm not sure how you're interpreting the phrase "Proportion of federal income
>taxes paid by the wealthiest 1%"  If it mean simply the percentage of the tax 
>pie kicked in by the top 1% then there is no linkage to the tax rate.  The 
>interpretation I draw from your list above is that there are more people in the
>top 1% than in the late 1970's.

That's good, isn't it? That interpretation would also mean that the poorest 40%
are becoming fewer in number.
--
Mel Walker                                        mwalker@optics.wc.novell.com
"I've arranged for you to donate $200,000 to the Opera....You'll be in Society.
Then you can marry me and they'll kick you out of Society. And all you'll have
lost will be $200,000." -- "A Night at the Opera"
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 08:22:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns



A woman who wants an abortion must call a clinic and schedule
an appointment.  I doubt that appointments are necessary to
buy guns.  

Susan


Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion