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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: software ports to NeXT (was Re: Attitudes: NeXT users and Sun users)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:30:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.055404.471@appsoft.com> randy@appsoft.com (Randy Adams) writes:

[ ]
>
>We also have 5 new products under development in addition to WriteNow, Draw and  
>Image (our new Photo Retouching/ Image processing product which will be  
>released in early October).  We have more than 20 NeXT programmers under  
>contract or hired as full time employees to develop application software and 15  
>other people in sales, marketing and support -- all for NeXTSTEP !
>
>You don't have to be a BIG company to do great software.  Adobe Illustrator was  
>initially developed by ONE person, PhotoShop by TWO people.  
>
>The truly great products for NeXTSTEP will not be developed by BIG companies  
>but small ones like Lighthouse, RightBrain, Pages and Appsoft who despite the  
>odds, contrary to the wisdom of the Software Giants and at great financial  
>risk, continue to believe in the viability of this platform.

Very true. One might note however that smaller companies are often leary 
at adopting new standards. For example, I use both Draw and Write Now.      
Write Now does not support the baseline information for inline EPS pasting,
something which is very important for example if one wisshes to paste an 
equation from an Editor, such as Equation Builder, into Write Now.
 
On the Mac, where the installed base is much larger Write Now has support this
type of feauture (but using QuickDraw) for a long time. On the NeXT, WriteNow
is basically of no use to anyone who wishes to type technical articles. In
this case, being part of a bigger circle does seem to help. Mind you
PasteUp does support this feature as Glenn Reid seems to be aware of the 
NeXT platform. Having a smaller platform and smaller companies is only of use
if the developers really know what they are dealing with.
 
I'm not trying to put down WriteNow3.0, as it is not out yet, but I have 
seen nor received no information from Appsoft concerning their intent 
with respect to the baseline issue. Some clarification would be much 
appreciated.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXT won't let us upgrade cubes to turbos?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:27:49 GMT

In article <86468@netnews.upenn.edu> cjn@vaal.cpr.upenn.edu (Christopher  
Nagel) writes:
> NeXT's phone person said the following:
> 
> 4)  The OD cannot be configured as a boot device in NS3.0 (?!)
> 
> (Y'know, that #4 just don't seem right...)

It's right. You can build 3.0 onto an OD and then boot from it. Of course,  
you can't fit all the packages on, but you can fit most of them.

BANG had intended to provide a service to our members with OD-only cubes  
whereby we would do the builddisk for them. Even though we would have  
required that they provide the CD-ROM, and proof of purchase, in addition  
to a blank OD, to demonstrate that we wouldn't have been complicitious in  
software theft, NeXT's legal department wouldn't give us an ok. We are now  
exploring other means by which to make upgrading easier for members who  
can't afford to buy a CD-ROM drive.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
Dan Quayle needs a new running mate.
George Bush undermines his chances of being re-elected Vice President.
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From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco)
Subject: WANTED: Summary of Crandall's presentation at BANG Meeting
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:13:49 GMT



Quite unfortunately I was unable to attend the BANG meeting (Stanford)
last night. Did Dr. Crandall have anything interesting to say about
"Fractal Boundaries Between Disciplines"?

Thanks

-Marcos J. Polanco
-shiva@vega.stanford.edu
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From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer)
Subject: NeXT in September BYTE
Keywords: next,byte
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:18:26 GMT

NeXT is mentioned quite a bit in the September 1992 issue of BYTE in the   
feature article titled "Is Unix Dead." For the most part, all the comments  
were positive. Also, the new spreadsheet Mesa is mentioned in Nanobytes.

MJG
NeXTmail preferred
From: cjn@vaal.cpr.upenn.edu (Christopher Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT won't let us upgrade cubes to turbos?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:51:20 GMT

In article <Bt58w2.FH9@monitor.com> shawn@monitor.com writes:
> Wait a minute, I'm confused.
> 
> A friend of mine just phoned NeXT, and after a four+ person runaround  
> found out that NeXT won't sell 040/33 'cubic' motherboards.

<deleted some stuff so "inews" won't can my post>

> Anybody know what's up?  Please excuse and point out if I've got bad data.
> 
> Shawn Broderick
> shawn@monitor.com

NeXT's phone person said the following:

1)  The cube is upgradable to '040/25MHz.
2)  There is no upgrade path to the '040/33Mhz.
3)  The '040/25 supports OD as a storage device, as does NS3.0.
4)  The OD cannot be configured as a boot device in NS3.0 (?!)
5)  The cube is still a viable product because there've been no announcements  
by NeXT and it is still on their product list.
6)  NeXT does not comment on Internet rumours.

(Y'know, that #4 just don't seem right...)

Seems to me they could just ask those factory robots to work a few minutes  
longer and pop out another board on demand when someone wants to upgrade.   
Sometimes NeXT's good heart is just a little hard to find, but I'm sure it's  
still there... :-)
From: kjartan@kurosawa.cica.fr (Kjartan Emilsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: ND and swap (Was Re: NeXT vs Apple)
Keywords: ND, swapfile
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:33:31 GMT
Reply-To: kjartan@kurosawa.cica.fr

In article <1992Aug10.120101.1344@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com  
(Jim De Arras) writes:
> 
> The NeXTdimension will NEVER, repeat, NEVER return it's VM to the  
swapfile.  If  
> you have, and use, a NeXTdimension, you will see your swapfile grow and  
grow  
> and grow...
> 

This is basically true for all NeXT.  It becomes quickly evident on a ND  
as you have a much greater tendency to open lots of those 32 bit images.   
BUT:  There are ways to write a program which handles large 32bit tiffs,  
without the swapfile growing.  None or few programs which handle tiff  
available today seem to use those tricks.  You basically have to be very  
paranoid about memory, and free things as soon as you don't need them.

Of course, if your tiff is much larger than your available RAM, you will  
eventually have a growing swapfile, but it should stabilize at some point.

-Kjartan
From: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu (Greg Foliente)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT in CNN story
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:39:41 GMT
Reply-To: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu OR pol2@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu

In article <1992Aug14.133908.28258@news.nd.edu> matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu  
(Matthew J. Grismer) writes:
> This morning on CNN Headline News there was an interview with some type  
of  
> weather person who had a NeXT color monitor on his desk. While he is  
> speaking you can see it off to the side; there are a bunch of icons all  
> over the screen, and some windows with color weather maps in them. Then  
> the camera showed a close up of the weather images on the screen.
> 

He's Brendan Larson of Illinois. See NeXTWORLD Fall 92 issue, page 11 on  
"NeXT Forecaster".

--
.................................................................
Greg Foliente                   NeXTmail: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu 
Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA                 pol2@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
.................................................................
From: jbatson@cayman.com (Jay Batson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: journalistic integrity
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:36:23 GMT
Reply-To: jbatson@cayman.com
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug13.192552.4271@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@amy5.stanford.edu (Stefano P. Pagiola) writes:
> John Robison writes
> > Reviews are written to get advertisers (and perhaps inform the  
> > readers). 
> >         
> > Look at MacUser, MacWorld, NeXTWorld. 
> >         
> > If there is a hard drive review section, there are *tons* of
> > hard drive ads. Likewise for Word processing reviews,
> > spreadsheet reviews, backup software reviews, etc.

Actually, most editors and review writers will answer like Kristin from NeXT
World did.  And in fact, I will generally vouch for the notion that reviews
are not written to get advertisers, but generally call things how they see
them.  It is only obvious that in the review process, most vendors will
try to do "competitive positioning", which will highlight the things that
the particular vendor has to make their product distinctive, and the writers
will often note such information in the articles, but will just as often point
out negative things as well.  All this is cool.

As far as the advertising showing up alongside reviews, it is more vendor
driven than magazine driven.  I know the MacWeek editorial and review calendar
for the next 6-9 months, and you can be sure that I'll advertise more heavily
in the magazine that has lots of router coverage.  (My company sells routers.)
At the same time, I'll try to get a magazine to do a review of my latest
products for the issue, but I often have not guarantee I'll get it.  I'll
probably advertise heavily in such an issue, regardless of whether I get
a product review in.

I'll agree with those who say you can't dictate placement of your ad.  All you
can do it try to get the "front/back" covers, or "near the front", albiet
generally at a cost.
--
Jay Batson
Director of Product Marketing
Cayman Systems, Inc.
jbatson@cayman.com
(617) 494-1999
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From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
    <838@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1992Aug17.041416.21709@msc.cornell.edu> 
    <1992Aug17.181738.13546@utstat.uucp>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:56:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.041416.21709@msc.cornell.edu> maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:

>NeXT has a lot to make up for in its broken promises over the NeXT Dimension,
>the MO, poor 17" colour monitor, etc...On the other hand Apple is a neat
>system which leads you to canned solutions and eventually a brick wall ( I'm
>referring to the Mac).

I really wouldn't say a brick wall.. Again, the Mac line is constantly
being expanded and revamped. Same with the OS (nothing drastic usually, but
it's evolving). And Mac third-party developers are really into the spirit.
Quadra doesn't do full motion video and output to tape? NO PROBLEM.. Just
buy this board and software for a reasonable price and go to town! :)
All must admit that the Mac third-party market has a much better chance
of making it then NeXT with closed doors and codependent agreements..
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From: Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:45:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <826@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> reynolds@rightbrain.com (Jack  
Reynolds) writes:
>		SuperMac Thunder board (24 bit)			$3,499.00
>		TrueVision NewVista Plus			$3,599.00

Others have noted that you could get NeXTDimension-like performance for  
less; you could also spend $6000 and get SuperMac's Digital Film card,  
which offers Thunder-level performance plus JPEG hardware for 30  
frames-per-second video capture and playback.  It's difficult to get that  
functionality on a NeXT, and impossible to get the infrastructure of video  
editing utilities that QuickTime has spawned.

>Apple LaserWriter  IIG, 300 dpi Printer				 
$4,599.00
>Tektronics 300 dpi Wax Thermal Transfer Color Printer			 
$9,999.00

These are nice printers, but they're *much* nicer than the NeXT printers  
offered.  The Personal LaserWriter LS is a simple bit-blaster equivalent  
to NeXT's monochrome printer (modulo the 400 dpi capability), and it's  
currently $650 educational.  You can buy the same Canon color printer that  
NeXT repackages and hook it up to your Mac; I believe it even costs less  
than the NeXT model.  These two changes alone eliminate most of the price  
difference, even if you have to spring for a software PostScript  
interpreter.

This price comparison assumes that customers want exactly what NeXT sells,  
and have to buy ridiculous Mac configurations to precisely match NeXT's  
features.  But if a customer wants do do something specific with their  
machine -- desktop publishing, digital video editing, or whatever --  
they're likely to find a much wider range of options in the Mac world.  If  
they shop around they're likely to find cheaper options as well.  NeXT's  
selling point versus Apple is the same as Apple's versus the PC clone  
world: that careful integration and design are worth money, and some loss  
of flexibility.  NeXTs don't make sense based on dollars alone.

Jim Matthews
Dartmouth Software Development (and NeXT user)
From: todd@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Can we rely on NeXT into the 90's to do THE RIGHT THING?
Keywords: 486 NeXTStep Support Dealers Developers Shrinkwrap
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:44:59 GMT
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <845@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
> Jim De Arras writes
> 
> > 			NeXT got tired of waiting, and has now changed  
> > it's focus.
> 
> I think you hit the nail on the head.  The dealer channel was created,

[ response hacked out...  ;'< ]

> hang on long enough for that to happen.
> 
> --
>  Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
>  RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
>  Palo Alto, California

My 2 cents worth.  With OEM agreements either gone or on the way
out, and an ever changing attitude by NeXT about support, how can
companies (big or small) expect to continue to focus on NeXT
and NeXTstep?  Now is NOT the time for NeXT to forget who helped
them along this far.  What is the additional cost of a few engineers
(lets say 5 or so) who could work the phones and continue to help
the developers with questions.  Say, $500,000?  As it stands, most
of us need that support to some extent and have come to rely on it
also, but don't make gobs of money from NeXT system and MCCA development
house installations.  Now is not the time to squeeze water from a rock.

Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
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From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:31:02 GMT

maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
>Well I'm sorry, dude, but on seeing this you lose all credibility. $300 for
>4 1MB SIMMs? Are you insane? You can get 4 1MB SIMMs mail order for around
>$120.

Those are Mac simms, not necessarily Chip Merchant simms.  I don't
know how much Apple sells their other simms for, but NeXT is even
worse with their memory.  When I bought some RAM, NeXT's price for the
same amount and type of memory was 8X Chip Merchant's price.  You
should cool down and realize that some vendors don't want to compete
with third-party dealers.

As a sidenote, with NeXT at least, if you don't get NeXT memory, you
don't get NeXT gurarantee of fitness for a NeXT machine.  If you are
having hardware problems, I'm sure one of the first thing NeXT would
say to do is remove all non-NeXT hardware and try to duplicate the
problem.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: WANTED: Summary of Crandall's presentation at BANG Meeting
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:48:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:

>M Carling
>Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
>--
>I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.

Well, one outta three ain't bad, if it's the right one.

Dave
-- 
David Basiji 
"C neophyte, Bioengineering Grad Student, Internet Personality"

email: basiji@u.washington.edu          
NeXTmail: basiji@larry.pathology.washington.edu

		"Whining is just anger coming out of a very small hole."
            --Stuart Smalley
From: maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:20:54 GMT


>OK, here is the price comparison for a Quadra and a NeXT Dimension.   
>I had to use quite a bit of third party stuff on the Macintosh side.   
>The Quadra configuration also includes the software to make the  
>machine networkable with both other macs and with fax and data modems  
>(something we take for granted on the NeXT).
>
>Macintosh Quadra 950
>Apple list price
>
>Part Number	Item					Price
>
>M6720LL/A	Quadra 950 8/230				 
>$8,499.00
>	Includes 1.4 floppy, internal 230 meg Hard Drive, 8MB Ram,  
>1meg V-Ram
>
>M5952ll/A (2) 	Macintosh Memory expansion			 
>$598.00
>	4 1 MB Ram Simms  $299.00 per set (2 sets = 8 MB)

Well I'm sorry, dude, but on seeing this you lose all credibility. $300 for
4 1MB SIMMs? Are you insane? You can get 4 1MB SIMMs mail order for around
$120.
Makes me inclined to regard the rest of your post as similar junk.

Maynard Handley
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From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: Question #3 "Display PostScript--so what?"
    <1992Aug11.202440.14790@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:54:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

eer1@midway.uchicago.edu(Paul Woods) writes:

>In article <1992Aug10.093811.18697@msc.cornell.edu>  

>Not to cause any problems here, but TT font's take much longer to print than PS  
>fonts on that special Laserwriter that you have in your lab.  I have 7 at work  
>and one at home and they all render TT much slower than PS.  This could however  
>be that I have 8 of the special PS only Laserwriters.

>Paul-

Special LaserWriter? There's nothing 'special' about a LaserWriter II.
TrueType fonts can take longer if the rasterizer hasn't already been loaded
into RAM, or if it has to send new fonts all the time (where you start to
run into memory constraints). 
I say again.. There is no such thing as "PS-ONLY" LaserWriter. Only a PS
LaserWriter that can handle PostScript and TrueType.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: marcu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Albert Ullman)
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:22:20 GMT

In article <857@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> reynolds@rightbrain.com writes:

>Purchase PasteUp for $595 from NeXTconnection and get Rulers,  
>Portfollio, TypeView and Adobe Typeset #2 for free.

I was wondering whether you (Right Brain) had considered using what has
been one of the most effective tools to hit the PC marketing scene in the
past two years--the *competitive* upgrade.  In other words, say someone has
PageMaker (or Quark or Frame), etc. for a PC or a Mac.  Would you consider
selling PasteUp to them for about the same price as the upgrade to the next
release of PageMaker (V5.0) which I assume will be in the $150-$200 price
range?  I think this would make it much more tempting for people who split
their time and resources between multiple platforms (how many of us with
NeXT's have second computers) to spend more time with their NeXTs.

--Marc Ullman
  Stanford University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Question #2 "Are Macintosh Users Really Happy?"
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:17:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.225524.6744@leland.Stanford.EDU> kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.212216.13347@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.004009.10542@leland.Stanford.EDU> kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug6.143640.17193@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>>>a lowly Mac Classic with a 68000
>>>which came out in what, 1980, can do it in half the time.
>
>I was trying to say the the 68000 came out in something like 1980, but
>I don't know.  Yes, the Mac came out in 1984.  Of course, the date is
>beside the point.  The fact is that the 68000 is OOOOLLLLDDDD.
>--PK
Yes, it is old (a decade or more), but I think the fact that the family
still dominates a huge portion of the industry says a lot for the
original design.
Richard.
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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Running X exclusively on a NeXT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:00:57 GMT

ppoh@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu (Paul B. Poh) writes:


>And another note. A few months ago, I asked if NeXT offered on-site
>maintainance contracts and I was told that they did not. Has that changed?
>Does anyone think that because NeXT does not offer such a service that
>large institutions are staying away from purchasing NeXTs. 

What most large institutions (such as ours) have done is to send a
hardware tech to the NeXT Hardware service courses.  Then, he
becomes an authorized service provider, and can do warranty work for
anyone on campus.  I am not familiar with the details of this, but
that is generally how it works.  That tech is an on-site arm of
NeXT, but works for the University. 
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD