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From: det@tct.com (Dennis Taylor)
Subject: Re: Anorexia Nervosa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

In article <1992Sep4.051103.18527@news.iastate.edu> TY.AU7@isumvs.iastate.edu (C. MARIE RIGGINS) writes:
>I am looking for information on Anorexia Nervosa.  I have always
>been very small and very thin, I have had several people ask me

From what I understand, if you consider yourself thin, you probably are not
anorexic.

>if I am Anorexic and I would like to know the facts.  I know that
>anorexics try and starve themselves, which I do not do.  I would
>like to be able to put an end to their accusations.
[...]
Do you ever worry about your weight?  Anorexia Nervosa is a disorder which
causes people to be neurotic (irrational fear) about their weight.  The 
classic case is the Karen Carpenter story (a tragedy).  This may be why
your friends are concerned.  If you are thin, and still concern yourself
about keeping your weight down, you should discuss it with a doctor, and
be sure.  On the other hand, if you are one of those lucky ones who eats
whatever and whenever she wants, and lots of it, forget it.  If you have
any doubt at all, though, let me urge you to seek professional advice,
not from people in net-land who cannot see you and may mean well, but
not really know.  But if you do see a professional, be as completely
honest as you know how, otherwise you may even fool him.

>Thanks...
>C. Marie Riggins

Dennis Taylor (one who wishes he had your problem) (det@tct.com)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Salt question
Organization: Society to Prevent Proton Decay
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:09:53 GMT

Although opinion is still divided on the question of salt restriction,
the best current evidence is that you do not need to restrict salt
intake unless you have high blood pressure and are "salt sensitive"
(eating salt has a significant effect on blood pressure).
--
Bernie Simon				This isn't science,
(bsimon@stsci.edu)			this is sheer madness!

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: rgupta@sirius.Stanford.EDU (Rajesh K. Gupta)
Subject: Re: Tumeric and Ginger
Reply-To: rgupta@sirius.Stanford.EDU (Rajesh K. Gupta)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:08:37 GMT

In article <7SEP199222013384@vms.huji.ac.il>, rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
(ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
> I understand that cardiologists are now treating post myocardial
> infarct patients with the addition of a lipoxygenase inhibitor 
> and a thromboxane synthetase inhibitor to the diet. 
> 
> This can be accomplished by using a teaspoon a day of the spice 
> turmeric (a very potent lipoxygenase inhibitor, which prevents 
> lipid peroxidation), as well as a half-teaspoon/day of ginger, a 
> very potent thromboxane synthetase inhibitor.
> 
> It is of interest that tumeric, costing pennies, may be as 
> effective as TPA, costing thousands of dollars.
> 
> Any comments?

Yes. This talk of "inhibitors" scares me. Both turmeric and ginger
have been a prominent component of my diet ever since I can remember.
It sounds like pretty potent stuff. Or is it?

By the way, what is an inhibitor? 



Rajesh

725-1776 CSL Modulars I				rgupta@sirius.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,rec.food.veg
From: haydens@bullwinkle.juliet.ll.mit.edu (Hayden Schultz x3685 g42)
Subject: Re: VEGETARIAN DIET
Reply-To: haydens@juliet.ll.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 42
	<BuCA4p.2IH@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:13:32


In article <BuCA4p.2IH@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:

   In article <1992Sep9.235906.24251@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
   # As for calcium, your daily requirement is larger than you could put
   # easily in a multivitamin.  It's not a trace mineral--women need about
   # 800mg/day, 1200mg/day when they're pregnant or lactating, and men about
   # 400mg/day.

   You know, I've always had some difficulty coming to grips with the US
   RDA for calcium (btw, my copy of RDA lists the calcium requirement for
   men aged 23-50 5'10" 170lbs as 800mg/day as well).  Has anyone tried to
   eat the recommended amount without resorting to dairy products?  I
   have, and it's tough.  One has to eat a bushel full of green leafy
   vegetables -- and as much as I like my greens, I can't eat that much
   every blessed day.  It's almost as if there is a conspiracy to make me
   drink milk or eat cheese because it's easy to come up with the 800 mg/day
   that way.  I can't help but think of the hundreds of millions of people
   in other parts of the world that never drink milk as adults or touch cheese.
   They don't seem to suffer from osteoperosis, and since they are human too,
   how can they be so different from me?

   I figure the high calcium recommendation is a result of the recognition that
   the average American diet is higher in protein than the RDA (which in
   itself is much higher than WHO standards).  Given that my vegan diet is
   low in protein, I don't worry so much about trying to get 800gm/day
   anymore.

   BTW, there are good quality calcium supplements that you can disolve in
   water that are supposed to provide 1500 mg of calcium.  (A doctor prescribed
   them for my mother) I wonder how useful such megadoses could possibly be....

I recently read about a study (don't ask me for a referance, this is
just my poor memory) of calcium in children which gave the impression
that the USRDA of calcium was, if anything, too low. In one portion of
the study, they gave one set of identical twins the RDA calcium, and
the other additional calcium. The group receiving additional calcium
supplements was found to have better bone growth.

This may not say anything about calcium requirements in adults, of
course. And not only am I not an MD, but I'm pretty ignorant of the
whole field.

	Hayden
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: det@tct.com (Dennis Taylor)
Subject: Re: weight gain
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:04:30 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

In article <1992Sep3.133121.12681@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>In article <Btz2zL.BBv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v059kzrj@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Seth Reichelson) writes:
>>
>>    does anybody know of a healthy way of gaining weight
>>
>
>How about some kind of nutritious powdwered protein/carb drink after meals.

I once heard a sports doctor advise against special liquid suplements.  
Instead he suggested using one of the various breakfast drinks available.
From all I've read, caution is advised, to get a ballanced diet.

But what do I know, I'm a couch potato -- or is that couch potatoe :-).
(det@tct.com)
From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Jane Brody book lives up to recommendations
Date: 4 Sep 1992 23:35:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

Thanks to recommendations in this newsgroup, I got hold
of a copy of the Jane Brody nutrition book.  I think
it's a wonderful book.  Thanks, guys.

BTW it's $15 in paperback.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re:  Good basic book on nutrition
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:54:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep11.231422.6836@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>
>Huh? Vegetables have so little fat as to make their fat content negligible.

Sigh.  The point was that even if all your oil intake was from
vegetable sources (olive oil, corn oil, broccoli (which gets 7% of its
calories from fat)) you would be getting both polyunsaturated oil and
monounsaturated oil, not poly alone.


>A 10% fat diet is ridiculously extreme, except for the most anal retentive
>types.  If you were crazy enough to try and follow a 10% fat diet, you
>probably wouldn't have that much of a problem ensuring that most of the
>fat you consumed was polyunsaturated.

Actually, you might.  Poly and monounsaturated usually occur together.
A varied diet of vegetables would probably give you 60% poly and 40%
mono. 

And whether a 10% diet was "ridiculously extreme" and "crazy" was a
question in the back of my mind when I read the fat chapter.  I'd
always heard that it was safe.  Indeed, Jane Brody writes: "You can go
down to as little as 10 percent of your day's calories as fat without
introducing any risk to your health."

>However, 1T of polyunsaturated fat is probably what most people
>who follow a diet that is 30% fat wind up with anyways.

From which it follows that if you definitely need 1T of poly each day,
you should not drop far below 30% fat.  

>I still think you are taking Brody too literally.  She probably meant
>that you need 1T of fat a day to get the essential fatty acids, and she
>recommends the polyunsaturated kind.

Uh, no, she's pretty explicit about this: 

"Even strict low-fat diets should contain at least 1 tablespoon of
*such a polyunsaturated oil* each day."  Emphasis mine.


>Anyways, it's not that I figure Brody cannot be mistaken, it's just that
>I think you are being a bit nit-picky here.  The woman writes several
>hundred pages and the worst thing you can say is "she says you need
>1T of fat!"

Precisely why I praised her book 3 or 4 times in my previous posts AND
emphasized that I was raising a minor point.  I don't think I need to
apologize for reading critically or pointing out admittedly minor
inconsistencies in otherwise good, sound books.  And BTW, I consider
her somewhat biased coverage of msg, apartame, and saccharine to be
the "worst thing" I could say about her book. :-)  

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: weight gain
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:10:39 GMT

In article <Bu53An.96r@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dcborean@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (David Borean) writes:

>Now to the thing about high Carb diets.. Not really a good thing to do.
>I was on a high Carb Diet last year, not because I intended it, but beuase
>Pasta and rice are easy to cook, and I wanted to get my food quickly.
>Anyhow, it turns out that about 4 months into this I start entering a depressivephase.  I have no idea why, but I'm sleeping about 13 hours a day and very
>lethargic.  I did some research on neurochemistry and during that research
>I find out what happend to me.  With the high concentrations of Carbs, 
>Tryptophan could pass into the brain easier, because there was less Tyrosine
>competition.  Tryptophan being the precurser to Serotonin, which is an
>inhibitory neurotransmitter, linked to depressed states and inactivity.
>Soooo.. What this nice little long anecdote says, is Eat a balanced diet
>and excerise and go with what your Genes figure is best for you.

Without meaning to discount this person's experience, I would like to
suggest that it be taken as just that -- one person's experience.


From a pharmacological point of view, tryptophan is sometimes considered
a weak ANTIdepressant.  Its increasing of serotonin synthesis and
release being roughly parallel to the blocking of serotonin reuptake
caused by one class of antidepressants (prozac/fluoxetine, for example).

Taking tryptophan does seem to make one sleepy, but I don't see the
connection between drowsiness and depression.

   --Matt


Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Sources of amino acids
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 14:24:22 GMT


	There's been much talk lately on the body's need for amino
acids in order to re-build muscle tissue.  A lot of companies
are now selling amino acids supplements and making tons of
of money off this "new" discovery.

	I'm not interested in buying supplements of any kind but
I'm interested to know what natural foods contain these amino acids.
From: andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: migraines
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:53:21 GMT

woodgold@emr1.emr.ca (Cathy Woodgold) writes:
>My migraines diminished significantly, and over the 
>following weeks, months, and years I gradually tested and re-introduced
>to my diet most of the disallowed foods.  Some I went on and off several
>times to test for subtle effects.  Thus I discovered which ones affect me.
>I'm still doing this.

I just tried re-introducing chocolate yesterday, and no migraines!  Oh
halleluja, and thank God for simple pleasures ;@)

>I also reduce the incidence of migraine by trying to eliminate thoughts
>with the word "should" in them.  

I don't recall which workshop I heard these in, but they've stuck with
me:

	"If you have too many 'shoulds', your life is 'should-y'."
	"Stop should-ing on me!"  (can also be said to oneself)
From: mack@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dan Mack)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Tumeric and Ginger
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:09:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <11tn3rm.avery@netcom.com> avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>>It is of interest that tumeric, costing pennies, may be as 
>>>effective as TPA, costing thousands of dollars.
>>>Any comments?

>>At least in the case of aspirin, one could argue that its cost is
>>far lower than either ginger or turmeric.  I have no comments on the
>>usefulness of these two spices, or of their putative pharmacological
>>actions, though I have yet to read any reports which would confirm this,
>>only email from Israel claiming these actions.

>I won't make any claims, except that those who research Chinese herbology,
>in which turmeric and ginger are used quite a bit, might have some insights
>into their putative pharmacological actions. Turmeric seems to be historically
>seen as a "blood circulator", ginger as a "warmer" and "detoxifier" given to
>alleviate conditions that involved digestive distress. What this translates
>to in the biochemistry I don't know; as I said, those who research herbal
>pharmacology would be better at drawing the links.

I remember reading  a year  or  so ago about a double blind study that
showed that a little bit of fresh ginger was almost twice as effective
as dramamine in preventing motion sickness.

Does anyone out there have any information on the validity of this?

Dan
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From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:08:58 GMT
Subject: Re: weight gain
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
From: rons@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ronald Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: China Study
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:32:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <6_znm3+.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>One may expect the nutritionists, together with the meat and dairy
>industries to do everything they can to try to obfuscate and denigrate
>the results of this study; the nutritionists because it discredits
>much of what many have been saying, and the meat and dairy industries
>for obvious reasons. It won't be long now before they start to be
>viewed in the same boat with the tobacco folks for continuing to
>promote deadly products while denying and obfuscating the research.
>

The purveyors of the vegan/vegetarian diets are beginning to sound
more and more like the fundamentalist christians ranting about gay
life styles and loose women who want abortion on demand.  Next they
will want to amend the constitution to forbid eating meat and dairy
products.  I work too hard (now if you want to rant about capitalism,
I'm with you), and one important pleasure in life that I can
consistently enjoy is eating.  I am partial to French Provencal,
Italian, not to mention Latin American, and my favorite, Indian (now
there's a vegetarian cuisine to talk about, though I love the Muslim
Indian too with its emphasis on lamb as well).
   I have watched a friend pursue a strict vegan diet, and it is clear
to me that his pleasures in life came from somewhere other than
eating.  I think that is ok -- to each their own -- but start taking
away my modest pleasures in life just because they aren't yours, and
you may find some resistance (like the NRA with their guns maybe?).
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate vs. Chromium Chloride
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 17:02:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>>According to Atkins (of the low-carbo diet fame--some would consider
>>him a disreputable source :-), the chromium in chromium picolinate is
>>more bio-available than is the chromium in chromium chloride.  In
>>other words, your body gets more chromium out of the former.
>>
My mother recently had a stroke after several years on the Atkins
diet. The guy is an idiot and I would never listen to a thing he had
to say.

His diet is a reflection of his understanding regarding nutrition. He
has none.

rf

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:20:42 GMT

A number of recent papers cited in MEDLINE have compared low
carbohydrate and low fat diets for diabetes patients and
found low carbo better.  For references check MEDLINE at your
local med school library.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
From: bradbury@sftwks.UUCP (Robert Bradbury)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Anorexia Nervosa
Summary: Zinc is an essential nutrient
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:57:17 GMT
Organization: Softworks Ltd, Seattle, WA

In article <Bu53s3.9G8@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dcborean@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (David Borean) writes:
>I've also heard that AN might be caused by a deficiancy in Zinc.. There has
>been some work done on that line of thought, and it's been somewhat succesfyul
>from what I've heard.  Suppoedly they give the person a liquid zinc drink to
>take and within a few weeks these people are recovering and eating again.
>Supposedly they can tell if a person is zinc deficiant just by seeing if they
>react to the taste of the liquid.  If you have enough zinc it'll taste chaulky,
>but if you're deficiant you'll taste nothing.
>
>Anyone else heard anything about this?

Zinc is an essential nutrient.  There are a number of genes which produce
proteins which require zinc to properly bind to DNA and regulate other genes.
These are known as zinc-finger-binding-proteins.  Zinc is also required as
a cofactor in a number of enzymes such as the superoxide dismutase which
contains both Copper and Zinc and is responsible for removing superoxide
radicals from the cytoplasm of cells.

In cases where you are deficient in zinc, your body seems to get into a
mode where it suffles zinc between different tissues where it happens to
in the shortest supply.  Zinc supplements in zinc defficient animals has
been shown to improve immune system function which is what one should expect
given that immune system functioning involves a number of changes to gene
regulation perhaps via some of the zinc-finger-binding proteins mentioned
above.

This does not imply that you should go OD on zinc because it can be toxic
when consumed in large amounts.  But one can fairly easily conclude that
a person with an eating disorder which may involve deficiencies in a
number of nutrients could certainly have a shortage of zinc the correction
of which could lead to an improvement in their condition.  Anyone who has
an eating disorder who isn't taking a multi-vitamin/mineral tablet to at
least get the minimum vitamins and minerals is asking for trouble.  Of
course whether their body will be capable of absorbing all of the vitamins
and minerals in a nutritionally deprived state is an open question.  In
these cases special supplementation may be required to correct the condition.

-- 
Robert Bradbury			uunet!sftwks!bradbury

Death is an imposition on the human race, and no longer acceptable
				Alan Harrington, The Immortalist (1969)
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: More on Chromium Picolinate
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:14:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu



The following article was taken from a local 
pharmacy board here in Cleveland.

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Article 72 of freenet.hosp.pharmacy.questions:
From: anonymous
>Newsgroups: freenet.hosp.pharmacy.questions
Subject: Chromium Picolinate
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:15:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
Posted-By: xx231 (emb3 - Edward M. Bednarczyk)
Edited-By: xx231 (emb3 - Edward M. Bednarczyk)


	I've heard a lot about Chromium Picolinate lately, but am not
entirely sure what it's value is.  What is it good for (if indeed it is
good for anything)?



Chromium is a mineral most familiar to us on the bumpers of cars. It is 
also an element required by the body in minute quantities for numerous 
functions, including insulin and glucose utilization, as well as regulation 
of cholesterol.

While chromium is important, particularly in regulating the uptake of 
glucose into cells, it is fairly easy to get in a normal diet.  Meats and 
whole wheat flours are good sources; fruits and vegetables can be good 
sources, but they vary in the amount of chromium they contain depending 
on the condition of the soil they were grown in.  An excellent source of 
chromium is brewers yeast, including the end product of its use that most 
of us are familiar with, namely beer.

Chromium deficiencies have only been documented in extreme 
circumstances, namely war & famine, so in most diets, chromium 
supplementation is unnecessary.  Excess chromium taken as a supplement 
appears to be rapidly eliminated by the body via the urine.  There is some 
suggestion that patients with diabetes or high cholesterol may benefit 
from chromium supplementation IF they are chromium deficient.  The 
studies that suggested this are very preliminary; further work in this 
interesting area is needed.

Chromium picolinate is the compound formed by adding chromium to 
picolinic acid, forming a complex which increases the absorption of 
chromium from the gut.

PLEASE NOTE:  The information contained on this system is not intended to 
supplant individual professional consultation, but is offered as a 
community education service.  Advice on individual problems should be 
obtained directly from a professional.
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

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