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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:35:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov12.205747.28234@ads.com> <1992Nov13.151002.9454@spdcc.com>
  <1992Nov16.232306.16736@ads.com>

Henry Mensch writes:
>marky mark's only redeeming quality is that he seems to have found
>his penis.

[Insert *BIG* laugh here]

How true!
 
() Take away the right to say "fuck" and you take away the
() right to say "fuck the government."
()      -- Lenny Bruce
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Leftist Epithets (was Re: A Strand of Bigotry)
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:54:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov22.225429.26351
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov22.042506.22529@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) rans, in reply to Andrew Solovay:
>>My suggestion: Henceforth we should talk about people who want to
>>turn soc.motss into a "fascist Faerie".

>Dearest, why don't you just say what you mean? Why stop with a wimpy
>homophobic epithet, when you can use some truly nasty one...

This is what I get for posting flames. I know it's not my style, why
do I try?

Andrew explained to me that his meaning was "Faerie", as in the
mythical land of the faeries. Presumably, he means that there might be
people who are trying to make Faerie into a fascist land.

Understanding it this way, I don't see his remark as being
particularly offensive, and I apologize for jumping down his throat.

Actually, I rather like the idea that soc.motss is a Usenet Faerie.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                 Shame is playback: exposure to disapproval
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Greg Parkinson (was Marky Mark & Calvin Klein after being Scott Masden)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na,uk
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:14:48 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

> >I of course spent part of my upbringing in beautiful
> >Lousiana - the northern white-trash part - so I have
> >an accent that *comes back*, not one that I acquire.
> >I do, however, give other indications of my sluttiness.

>Ah, if only I were male, gay, and single.
>Or maybe any one of the above.

I'm *all* *three*!

<<<flutter>>>

Oh, Greggie...

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Motorola
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:59:07 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
<1992Nov19.192525.1041@dunix.drake.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:10:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.192525.1041@dunix.drake.edu> ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The
Dark Kitty) writes:

>A friend of mind who posts here occasionally has gone so far as to
>pick boyfriends on the basis of whether or not they like cats.  It's
>actually quite reasonable.  A love for a particular type of animal
>does reveal basic personality traits.


"Occasionally has gone so far"?  Hell, that's my number one criterion!
I see no reason to even bother having coffee with a man who doesn't
like cats (or who is allergic to them).  I'd far rather exist without
a relationship than get involved with someone who would even dare to
suggest that I get rid of my two beautiful, furry daughters ... :-)




--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu

------------

     What about people who like donkeys?  :-)      .   .

                                                     |

                                                   `---'

Eddie.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice)
Subject: Re: Human Rights Ordinance in Cincinnati???
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.010313.2152@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>
otchetfb@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>Just thought that I'd let you know that on Wednesday, Cincinnati's city council
>will be voting on a human rights ordinance (remember us from Mappelthorpe
>fame?) on Wednesday, November 25. For those of you (if there are any of you)
>from Cincinnati, call your councilmembers and urge them to support it. For the
>rest of you, please keep your fingers crossed. This city needs all of the help
>that it can get!!

This measure will extend prohibitions against discrimination in 
housing and employment on the basis of sexual orientation, 
marital status, and Appalatian origin.  The usual gender, race,
religion and so on are already accounted for.  

I don't live within the city limits, so I don't vote for city 
council members, but that won't stop me from calling.  I do 
work downtown, though.  

Here are the names and numbers of those councilmembers who need to 
be encouraged or persuaded to vote for the measure (according to
Stonewall Cincinnati):

Mayor Dwight Tillery
(513) 352-3250
	Stonewall-endorsed; donned a Stonewall T-shirt and hat at
	Stonewall's meet-the-candidates night; Became the surprise
	winner of the majority of votes in the election, landing
	him the mayor's seat; Addressed more than 1000 lesbigays
	and supportive people at Stonewall's annual dinner, chanting
	"Stonewall! Stonewall!"

Pete Strauss
(513) 352-3346

Nell Surber
(513) 352-4683

David Mann
(513) 352-5302

Nick Vehr
(513) 352-3646
	Pro-birther; didn't actually win a seat on city council, 
	but got in through someone else's vacated seat;  has vowed
	to introduce a counter-proposal that will put the issue up
	for referendum, or else try to overturn the ordinace at 
	the next election.  


Roger Crice
AT&T
Cincinnati
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:31:30 GMT

In article <69511@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>BBC inquires:
>>        Funny, you can say that to describe the book or Madonna herself.  
>>And who the $#%)(%$ is "Marky MArk" other than
>>some guy who was in the paper the other day being arrested?
>>(I think assault...)
>>
>>        I suppose he is 1992's Shaun Cassidy/Bobby Sherman/John Travolta/etc.?
>
>Well, not quite. He's an ugly white boy who thinks he's black and
>does rap music to prove it.....  *UGH*.
>
>He also has a penchant for dropping his trousers in public.

Yeah, so?  You've done it at the Lone Star, George.  Double-standard time?


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Too Much News
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:09:27 GMT

I can't keep up anymore.  In the last 24 hours, we've had:

    -  Concord's (Calif.) anti-gay Measure M (1991) which
       overturned the city's inclusion of sexual orientation
       in its non-discrimination ordinance, was itself
       overturned by a state judge for violating the state
       constitution's equal protection language.

    -  The cities of Cambridge, Mass. and Sacramento, Calif.
       permit unmarried domestic partners to register their
       partnerships with the city.

    -  Navy Petty Officer Keith Meinhold won another round in
       court.  Federal district judge Terry J. Hatter Jr.
       denied the Navy's attempt to exclude Meinhold from duty
       while his lawsuit against the Navy is pending.  The
       judge remarked that the US, apart from Britain, was the
       only NATO country that banned GLBs and suggested that,
       in the light of President-elect Clinton's stated intent
       to remove the ban, the Navy suspend its efforts to
       remove GLB personnel.

    -  Clinton reiterated, in another press conference, his
       intent to remove the military ban on gays and lesbians.
       "I intend to press forward with that in an expeditious
       way early in the term, just like I said."

    -  The Catholic Church issued a catechism that urged gays
       and lesbians to "remain chaste," that homosexual acts
       are "grave depravations," "intrinsically disorderly"
       and go against "Natural Law" (a curious concept,
       apparently back in vogue, that seems to include
       whatever the person invoking it wants it to).
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:46:22 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <1e726dINNcnn@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
>wrote:

>> "Am I boring you, darling?"

>You, of all people, should know that Dietrich couldn't manage much 
>more than:

>  "Am I bowing you, dawing?"

>As per Lilly Tomlins fabu spoof of "Babawa Wawa intewviewing Mawena
>Deetweek.  How ah you, Mawena?  ---Oh, I'm fine, thank you, Babawa"

>*X*




Ummm, pardon me, but I believe it was the devine Gilda Radner as Babawa
Wawa and guest star Madeleine Kahn (pardon the spelling) as Mawena
Deetweek.  I pretty sure about this, but it's possible I'm mistaken.


Scott

-So I'm old enough to remeber the original cast of Saturday Night Live;
so sue me.-
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My nervous little boy
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:18:25 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu) worries:
 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) goes stratospheric:
> 
> >It was time for me to cut the umbilical cord and, free at last,
> >soar into the stratosphere.  (OK, so I mixed my metaphors, but
> >you get what I mean.)
> 
> >> >pollo tonnato.
> 
> (Pop! Pop! Dad's speaking in tongues! Call a doctor!!!)

Not to worry.  Speaking in tongues, in fact, is
one of my favorite activities; the conversation
can be so stimulating.  There are many, many parts
of my body I like to listen with--I have a
particular fondness for tongue whispering in my
ear.

> >I'm sorry, Johnny-boy, but I just don't eat that stuff
> >any longer.  But we can still cozy up and bond around 
> >shrimp in a spicy lime marinade. 
> 
> Well, I just don't know. 

I wouldn't worry about this one either.  This
_nouvelle_ stuff is just a phase he's going 
through.  In the meantime, try to humor him;
discovering that he can cook [sort of], even if
it is this silly stuff, is doing wonders for
his self-esteem.  He'll come to his senses just
as soon as he starts getting hungry.

We'll go visit Uncle Jeff in Alabama real soon
and have a nice hog roast.  Now *that's* bonding.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:57:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <Bxtz9A.CM4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott
Minor) wrote:

> Ummm, pardon me, but I believe it was the devine Gilda Radner as Babawa
> Wawa and guest star Madeleine Kahn (pardon the spelling) as Mawena
> Deetweek.  I pretty sure about this, but it's possible I'm mistaken.

Are you sure?  Isn't Tomlin the one who did the operator (One wingy
dingy...  Two wingy dingy...)  I thought she was Babawa Wawa.  But,
if not, I shall amend the statement: 

  As per Gilda Radner's fabu spoof...

*X*
(Who was Rosane, Rosanna Danna?  I thought that was Gilda...)
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:58:37 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>a Caribbean restaurant
>I suppose that is sort of like going to a European restaurant, or
>an Asian restaurant.

Or an American restaurant, for that matter.  I wonder why they named
it "Caribe"...
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:08:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.053243.25307@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> And the sad truth is, he's right folks. I'm not old enough to have a
> beard. I'm old enough to shave, but I lack the testosterone necessary
> for a full beard.

Or maybe it's that your testosterone is, um, more productively
occupied. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Height Chauvinism (was Re: Food for thought)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:34:18 GMT


In article <14757.2b0f6a7f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S.  Pettersen)
writes:

>Choice or no choice, discrimination on the basis of height
>also exists.  It's well known, I think, that the taller
>candidate for president is more likely to win; it may not be
>as widely known that there is a correlation between height
>and wages (tall=$$$).

There's a gender difference informing this, too, but among
men, being less than about 5'10" tall is a common liability
in the job market, one that gets worse as height decreases.
Except in venues where size is actively an asset (e.g.,
sports), one can also be discriminated against for being too
tall, more than about 6'4".  I suppose it's a power
perception.

It seems quite idiotic to me that all these prejudices
exist, but diversity seems to be one of the greatest
perceived threats, especially in the US, though we by no
means have a corner on this.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bears and Lookism (was: Marky Mark)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:46:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov17.213558.4677@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>

Anthony Berno writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>  Well, not quite. He's an ugly white boy who thinks he's
>>  black and does rap music to prove it.....  *UGH*.
>
>Interesting discussion. How about the perspective of someone who is ugly?

Point taken. However, "ugly" in this case goes beyond simple
physical appearance.  He might be (marginally) gay friendly, but
even though I'm not fond of rap as a genre, I find his
capitalization on it something of a travesty. I will grant you that
"ugly" was a very poor word choice for the feeling I was trying
to express.

>But saying "ugh" is just plain cruel.

Maybe if I said it to his face, perhaps. Otherwise, I don't
think so.  As I just said, I find him rather repellent for a 
variety of reasons, and I think I -- as well as anyone else -- are
entitled to my REACTIONS. That doesn't mean I don't think his 
recordings should be sold, or any nonsense like that. When I am
exposed to him, "ugh" is my reaction to him.

 
() When a fellow says it ain't the money but the principle
() of the thing, it's the money.
()      -- Kin Hubbard
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tam@mobydick.leis.bellcore.com (Tom Merkel )
Subject: Re: Men Not Getting It
Reply-To: tam@westmark.com (Tom Merkel )
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:59:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.175029.11147@cis.ohio-state.edu>, 
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
|> the classic route for straight guys to get it is having a daughter.
...
|> so it's something of a shock to discover that they are besieged
|> in ways you aren't.  it's just not fair, these guys say.  and
|> then maybe the light goes on.

A while back I was coaching a softball clinic.  The best hitter
I had was a young woman named Christine who had *heart*.  She
listened,  worked hard, and showed great talent.

When some of the boys - talentless, arrogant - stood at the plate
and missed their fathers would shout "Don't hit like a girl!"
The light went on for me.

I still can't think of that without getting very angry.

--Tom ( who got a reputation for throwing parents out of the park )
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bear Crap vs. Twink Crap
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:42:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>yet another GDM whiny evangelical hell-fire bears uber alles posting.

>community is as fucking bigoted against Persons of Fur as a lot

I fail to understand why everyone seems to be getting so incredibly bent out
of shape about this.  What one person finds attractive is a very individual
thing.  Why should anyone bust on someone else for their taste?  It's silly.

All of the Marky Mark/Jason Priestley stuff, for example.  Marky Mark has a
hot body, but I don't find him terribly attractive.  And I don't find
Priestley remotely attractive.  But that's just me.  And I am not about to
slam someone who finds them hot and droolsome.

But then, I have fairly catholic tastes.  My beau falls between the two camps
(Not THAT kind of camp).  And lookers in my book include Patrick Stewart, Bill
Campbell, Carey Elwis (for YEARS now), the older fellow on Covington Cross (I
only watched it one, but where has HE been all of my life)...

But I am rambling.  Why be exclusive and critical?

>8>[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]

But I do, a bit.

D.
-- 

******************************************************************************

Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
dh0a@lehigh.edu                                    (215) 758 5110
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:18:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <16NOV92.19054478@enh.nist.gov> 
aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> In a previous article, 
> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) wrote:
> > I, for one, amd glad that motss is a place for
> > queers talking queerly... and that includes, recipes
>
> Oh, Goody!  Just the other day I had a sometimes motsseur over for
> dinner and for homemade key lime pie.  It really is simple. [...]

Way back when -- I think it was just before LA auto-destructed
in April -- I mentioned here that I didn't know how to cook.
(Remember the mashed potatoes thread, anyone?)  Since then, and 
due in large part to an enormous amount of encouragement that I 
received from a friend of mine, I have become a not-so-bad cook.  
My secret?  The fabulous cookbooks _Cucina Fresca_ and _Cucina 
Rustica_ by Vianna La Place and Evan Kleiman.  _Cucina Fresca_, 
in particular, could have been designed for people just beginning 
to cook.  The recipes are clear and not at all tricky, and the
food is wonderful.  Six months ago I didn't know how to make
mashed potatoes.  Now I'm making things like pan-steamed sage
potatoes, salmon scallops in peppercorn vinaigrette, pollo 
tonnato.  I'm making aioli.  Lemon mayonnaise.  My favorite
dish so far?  It's a pasta dish that, if made for 4 people, calls
for *twenty* cloves of garlic.  Sheer heaven.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:23:24 GMT

I wonder if reprimanding kids when they use words like "queer" and
"gay" pejoratively doesn't ultimately reinforce the negative
connotations.  In effect, you say, "This is a terrible insult."

The alternative is tricky.  Storytime:

The other day at work (youth department in a public library) I
overheard a girl call a boy "fag."  I did nothing (even though
room control is my job) because:
     1.  the two are friends and the boy didn't seem too
          unhappy about it
     2.  an adult leaping to the defense of a child in front of
          his/her peers can be more embarrassing than the insult
     3.  I didn't want to reinforce the idea that "fag" is a
          powerful insult.

What I _wish_ I would've done was said something like, "Excuse
me.  He's not a fag.  _I'm_ a fag.  If someone is going to be
called 'fag' in this room, it's going to be me.  And, actually,
I prefer to be called 'queer.'"

I plan on running this tactic by my boss for her approval.  I
expect that it could cause some nasty waves in the community.

--Don (I'm not a children's librarian, but I play one at work)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy)
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:50:31 GMT



SF Examiner polls are generally conducted by phone.  I imagine a 
fairly small fraction of gays and lesbians are willing to identify
themselves as such when a stranger calls on the phone to ask.  Gay
and lesbian people have enough to fear that I'd be surprised if the
number who are willing to answer such a question is a small percentage
of the population as a whole.

In San Francisco, I don't know where anyone got the idea that gays
and lesbians are represented at 4-5 times the national average here.
I'm sure it's higher than the average, but I don't know where the factor
of four or five was dug up.

Either way, political consultants here assume a much higher proportion
of gays and lesbians than 15%.
-- 
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Daniel A. Murphy        Net:         murphy@well.sf.ca.us
San Francisco, CA       GEnie:       D.MURPHY11
U.S.A.                  MCI Mail:    377-7947
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