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From: roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Bouncing radio off the moon
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:14:38 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards


-From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
-Date: 7 Oct 92 12:52:27 GMT
-Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.

-So how about landing a series of corner reflector arrays set to the
-EME sub bands from 50Mhz to 20GHz or whatever?
 
-Should take care of the scatter....

The radio people I've asked about that have said that the corner reflectors
would have to take up a pretty large fraction of the moon's surface for
there to be any noticeable effect. The natural surface of the moon is a
"fairly good" reflector as-is.

On one hand, that's good - modern radio amateurs can bounce signals off
the surface. On the other hand, the moon "smears" the return signal by
2000 miles or so - thus limiting the communications bandwidth, no matter
how much power is used.

I bet the amateurs would really love an active repeater - that probably
*would* make a difference.

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: The Committee Staffer/Bureaucratic Conversion
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:10 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Mark Goodman writes:
>
>By the way, thanks for the many kind words of encouragement
>regarding my Congressional Science Fellowship.
>
>In this regard, Edmund Hack wites:
>
>>(quoting me):
>>>...  Congressional staff
>>>members are not expected to pursue their own agendas, but those
>of their
>>>bosses.
>>
>><HA! HA! ROFL>
>>The staffers of the various subcommittees have agendas of their
>own and
>>pursue them with vigor. Ask around. Read the book "Hill Rat" that
>a
>>former staffer wrote. It is in hardback right now.
>
>It is true that Congressional staffers have a certain degree of
>discretion to pursue policy agendas of their own, but ultimately
>this depends on the autonomy their bosses give them, which can
>vary widely.  They serve at the pleasure of their bosses, and
>their bosses are ultimately accountable for the actions of their
>staffs.
 
I have talked to Congressmen about the fact that they feel they
have lost control of Congress to the COMMITTEE staffers.  My
direct experiences in getting legislation introduced and past
confirms that Congressmen have, indeed, lost control of Congress
to the committee staffers.  Actually, they have lost control
to something I might call "The Committee Staffer/Bureaucratic
Complex" because it is the symbiosis between government agencies
and programs and their committee staffers that has wrested
control of Congress from the elected representatives of the people.
 
If you are young, power-mad and worthless, there is no quicker way 
to feed your appetite than to do whatever it takes to become a committee
staffer -- no matter how lowly a position you might occupy at first.
 
At present, the attempt to shift money away from military into
GOVERNMENT civilian "R&D" is actually an attempt by The Committee
Staffer/Bureaucratic Complex to put ever greater amounts of power in 
the hands of committee staffers and bureaucrats without the harsh
accountability of victory vs defeat in war OR elections -- let alone 
profit vs bankruptcy in business.
 
This sort of "economic conversion" under the control of committee
staffers is a parasite's dream come true.

--                    
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From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Re: Drop nuc waste into sun
Organization: AT&T Banana Labs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:32:36 GMT

>In article <Bvv558.JpG@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>>Actually, as Larry Niven pointed out, if you can get the stuff as far as
>>Venus, you might as well just fly it *into* Venus.  It's not as if Venus
>>is good for anything else.  (Although one would want to do rather more
>>thorough studies of Venus before starting to use it as a dump...)

Well, the guys who might want to try terraforming Venus might not want anyone
dropping nuke waste there, I'd think.  

Last I heard, the nuke waste was going to be stored in some mine in a
mountain in Nevada.  A nuke waste warehouse.  Easy to get to if some of
that stuff turns out to be useful.  Just be careful to keep it from leaking.
Yeah.  :-)
=============================================================================
499.995 years ago, Columbus discovered America
From: roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Black holes, Sci-Fi Channel
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:16:18 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards


-From: higgins@fnalc.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
-Subject: Re: BLACK HOLES
-Date: 5 Oct 92 17:05:58 GMT

-In article <1992Oct5.051549.1528@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu) writes:
-> In <2523.2ACF3744@catpe.alt.za> Sasha.Degner@f5.n7103.z5.fidonet.org (Sasha Degner) writes:
->> 
->>1) What exactly are black holes?
->>2) Is there any truth in the theory that they may be created by alien
->>life forms?
->>3) Is there a black hole close to our galaxy?
-> 
-> 	I suggest you to read the book "A Brief History of Time" by
-> Stephen Hawking. An excellent book that tells you just about anything a
-> normal person would want to know about black holes and the Universe.

-I haven't read this book, but I doubt it provides a direct answer to
-question number 2.  

By the way, black holes are not universally accepted - they're not nearly
as well-established as neutron stars, for instance. There are some very
good candidates, including some found by HST, for which a black hole is
considered a more likely explanation than any alternates that have been
proposed. It is hoped that WF/PC2 will be able to provide considerable
additional evidence. (I may be overstating the uncertainties a little -
the majority of astrophysists believe they exist, and lack of solid
proof is probably largely because they're hard to observe.)

The literary reference reminds me - the long-awaited Sci-Fi Channel is now
up and running. It's mostly fiction, but it also has some science fact shows,
including "The Science Show" and "Inside Space" - the latter hosted by a 
famous science fiction celebrity. Last week's episode included a segment on
virtual reality (with interesting video), and a clip from the *movie*
"A Brief History of Time", which is apparently narrated by the author. (!)

On an amusing note, flipping past the Sci-Fi channel this weekend, I came
across the first images I've ever seen of Brent Spiner without his "Mr. Data"
makeup.

[And they show "Stingray" every weekday morning!]

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: LunaOne: Beyond Boostrap
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park

Any colony needs an export, an economic reason for being. 

Luna One's main export would be power, generated by solar cells and beamed 
back to LEO or earth via microwaves. Secondary exports would be refined metals
and glasses (to build the Szabo Astro/Comet Mining fleet and something at L-5 
:), delivered by mass driver. 

It would be self-sufficient in oxygen, metals production, and produce some
food. It would probably be able to produce some electronics components on site
(assuming Intel or Hitachi isn't too adverse to licensing their designs).

Water? A bit tougher. We have O2 galore from the soil. There's a little bit of
hydrogen out of soil processing, but not a lot. 

I suppose we'll have to hire Szabo Astro/Comet Mining to deliver water, or
build our own ships (Known as MGF Mining, for arguements sake). 

We could, I guess, go through the red tape of shipping fissionables for an
engine; but the headaches to get the nuclear plants up here was bad enough.
Developing our own fuel cycle is tempting, but will take more infrastructure,
and we need water more than anything else. 

However, we have beamable power, in the form of microwaves. We probably
have enough excess capacity (or could build it) to beam power for propulsion,
either at a StarWisp-type "sail" or to heat fuel. Or better yet, some
combination of the two; outbound via sail, return on beamed power with comet 
voltiles as fuel. 

I suppose we could build lasers or manufacture antimatter, but that requires
more jiggling of resources and diversifying into technologies which need
more outside resources.


                 Play in the intelluctual sandbox of Usenet 

  -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Bootstrap hardware for LunaBase
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Oct7120056
	<1992Oct6.154855.12520@techbook.com> <1992Oct6.203214.336@iti.org>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Oct6.203214.336@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

   [about Nick Szabo's analysis of costs for a moon base]

   It looks like there is no point analyzing Nick's post as long as he insists
   on using unrealistically bad numbers for ideas he doesn't like.

Odd, this has long been my sentiment about many of his posts, with the
substitution of "good" for "bad" and "likes" for "doesn't like".

(his figures for ice mining and constant belief in self-reproducing
machines and the like fill me with wonder).

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:16:15 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu| mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|
|          
|          
|                           UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
|
|               I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos" 
|          programs on PBS during summer 1991.  In one of them, he STILL 
|          maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO 
|          Spacecraft, "just stories". 
|    
|               I should think that by now he would have heard about the 
|          Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were 
|          found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the 

He did. It's a story.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Gallileo's antenna
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:07:34 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <u926135.719198093@tasman> u926135@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Adrian Hassall Lewis) writes:
>Would it be feasible to send a small robot after Gallileo that would
>clamp itself onto antenna pole and then push in the pins that are
>holding the ribs shut?

Basically, no.  It's beyond the current state of the art, never mind
the available time and money.

(If you doubt the first part of that statement, consider that just the
"clamp on" part has been tried three times -- Solar Max, Palapa/Westar,
and Intelsat -- and has failed *all three times*.)

If we were going to send something after Galileo, by far the simplest
approach -- and the only one that got serious consideration -- would be
to simply send a relay satellite to accompany Galileo to Jupiter.  There
is no problem sending data from Galileo at high speed if the receiver
is nearby (and it doesn't have to be all that close, most any Jupiter
orbit would probably do).
-- 
MS-DOS is the OS/360 of the 1980s.      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
              -Hal W. Hardenbergh (1985)|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/16/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 08:05:23 GMT

Forwarded from Bill O'Neil, Galileo Project Manager

                            GALILEO STATUS REPORT
                              October 16, 1992

     The Galileo Spacecraft is operating normally in the dual-spin mode and
is transmitting coded telemetry at 1200 bps (bits/second).

     Yesterday, real-time commands were sent to check out and open the star
scanner shutter, reacquire celestial reference, collect wobble data, and to
update system fault protection parameters back to the pre-warming turn state,
as planned.  Tracking was performed over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna).

     Today, October 16, 1992, real-time commands are scheduled to reconfigure
the spacecraft power state after the warming turn, to modify the system fault
protection parameters to be consistent with RPM (Retro-Propulsion Module)
power management strategy.  Tracking is scheduled over DSS-63 and DSS-14
(Goldstone 70 meter antenna).

     Over the weekend, no spacecraft activity is scheduled.  Tracking is
scheduled over DSS-14, DSS-43 (Canberra 70 meter antenna), on DSS-63 on
Saturday.  No tracking is scheduled for Sunday.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | If God had wanted us to 
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | have elections, he would 
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | have given us candidates.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Mars Observer Update - 10/10/92 (TCM-1 Successful)
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Mars Observer, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:41:28 GMT

Forwarded from the Mars Observer Project

                        MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT
                              October 10, 1992
                                3:30 PM PDT
                              Launch +15 Days

The Mars Observer spacecraft remains on a nominal trajectory for cruise
to Mars and all subsystems are performing well.

Trajectory Correction Maneuver 1 occurred precisely on schedule at 3:00
PM PDT today, October 10th.  Preliminary TCM-1 results based on observed
change in Doppler frequency and telemetry inputs are that the maneuver
was very successful.  Ignition of 2 of the 4 "main" 490 Newton engines
lasted for 2 minutes and 13 seconds, changing the spacecraft's velocity by
50 meters per second as planned.

The C2 sequence,  which contains the TCM-1 maneuver, continues to clock
out as planned.  Following the maneuver, the spacecraft has returned to
array normal spin.

The formal trajectory assessment presentation by the MO Navigation team
will occur Monday, October 12th at 4:00 PM.

A series of non-stored commands are being sent to the spacecraft this
evening,  and tomorrow to reconfigure to the nominal cruise state.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/07/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:16:50 GMT

Forwarded from:
PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109.  TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011

                     GALILEO MISSION STATUS
                         October 7, 1992

The Galileo spacecraft is less than 61 million kilometers (38
million miles) from Earth.  It is just over two months to the
second and final Earth Gravity Assist that will set its course
leading to Jupiter arrival on December 7, 1995.

The spacecraft health and performance are excellent.  Yesterday
the telemetry data rate was switched from 40 to 1200 bits per
second.  This was the first time since June 1991 that the
spacecraft position allowed high-rate engineering telemetry. 
Today the spacecraft reads out cruise-science data collected over
the last two and a half weeks.

Friday, October 9, Galileo will execute a small trajectory
correction maneuver, slightly increasing its speed and bending
its flight path to refine the Earth flyby conditions.

                              ##### 
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/14/92
Keywords: Galileo, JPL
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct14.192214.27075
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Followup-To: sci.space
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Forwarded from Bill O'Neil, Galileo Project Manager

                            GALILEO STATUS REPORT
                              October 14, 1992

     The Galileo Spacecraft is operating normally in the all-spin mode and
is transmitting coded telemetry at 1200 bps (bits/second).

     Yesterday, no spacecraft activity was scheduled.  Tracking was performed
over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna) and DSS-43 (Canberra 70 meter antenna).

     Today, October 14, 1992, the 10 pulse hammer test activity is scheduled to
occur at approximately 2:55 PM PDT.  Additionally, the sun acquisition back
from warming attitude is scheduled to begin at 4:45 PM PDT.  Tracking is
scheduled over DSS-63.

     Tomorrow, real-time command are scheduled to be sent to open the star
scanner shutter, reacquire celestial reference, collect wobble data, and to
update system fault protection parameters back to the pre-warming state.
Tracking is scheduled over DSS-63.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Magellan Update - 10/14/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Magellan, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:50:51 GMT

Forwarded from the Magellan Project

                     MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT
                        October 14, 1992

1.  The Magellan spacecraft continues to operate normally,
    performing two 40-minute cooling periods, a starcal
    (star calibration) and desat (desaturation of the
    reaction wheels) in each 3-hour orbit, and transmitting
    a carrier signal which is precisely tracked by the DSN
    (Deep Space Network) stations to extract gravity data.

2.  Due to the temperature drop which resulted from the longer
    cooling periods, the X-band telemetry signal was degraded.
    The DSN stations were unable to lock up to the 1200 bps
    engineering, so a switch to 40 bps telemetry was made.

3.  Today, October 14, the Project provided responses on the
    history, management, and development phases of
    VOIR/VRM/Magellan to a Project Planning Panel appointed by
    the NASA Administrator.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/08/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:19:50 GMT

Forwarded from Bill O'Neil, Galileo Project Manager

                            GALILEO STATUS REPORT
                              October 8, 1992

     The Galileo Spacecraft is operating normally in the dual-spin mode and
is transmitting uncoded telemetry at 40 bps (bits/second).

     Yesterday, no spacecraft activity was scheduled.  Tracking was scheduled
over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna).

     Today, October 8, 1992, spacecraft telemetry is scheduled to change to
1200 bps along with updating the associated telemetry map.  Additionaly, the
TCM-15 (Trajectory Correction Maneuver #15) memory load is scheduled for
uplink as well as perfoming EPD (Energetic Particle Detector) maintainence
activity. Tracking is scheduled over DSS-43 (Canberra 70 meter antenna)
and DSS-63.

     Tomorrow, TCM-15 is scheduled to execute.  Also, the DDA-4 (Dual Drive
Actuator #4) memory sequence load will be uplinked.  Tracking is scheduled
over DSS-63, DSS-14 (Goldstone 70 meter antenna), DSS-43 and DSS-12
(Goldstone 34 meter antenna).
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Pioneer Venus Update - 10/08/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Pioneer Venus
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:33:47 GMT

                         PIONEER VENUS STATUS REPORT
                              October 8, 1992

Pioneer Venus is still alive and hanging in there.  The spacecraft's
spin rate was doubled on October 5 to provide better stabilization as
the spacecraft passed through the atmosphere of Venus, and this extends the
use of the High Gain Antenna.  Also, it was estimated that about 4 oz of
fuel still remained in the fuel tanks, and the increased spin rate would move
any remaining fuel towards the thrusters.  A thruster maneuver was attempted
today and was successful in raising the periapsis an additional kilometer.
Pioneer Venus continues to experience increasing drag on each orbit around
Venus.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

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