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From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: mixed breeds in obedience shows
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:00:08 GMT

   AKC is primarily a registery for purebreed dogs.  Its
competitions are to display these purebreed dogs.  If
you have a rescue that looks like a purebreed dog you
can apply for an ILP number which will allow you to
compete in obedience.  The AKC requires 2 pictures,
$25, with the application.  The dog must be nutered.
If the AKC disagress with you on this being a purebreed
it will return your money.  Obedience dogs can be
neutered and still compete.  Dogs in conformation cannot
be neutered.  UKC has a similiar program.
 
   AMBOR is a organization for people with mix breeds to
be regcognized as having earned titles.  The titles are
earned at fun matches.  Mix breeds now can compete in
the Gaines competition.
 
  Both my Greyhounds have ILPs.  One is off the track
the other is from the pound.  I have also registered the
pound puppy with the UKC.
 
hope this helps.........Pamela and the happy pack
>As I understand it, only pure bred dogs, with papers, may enter in
>AKC obedience shows.  Is it also true that dogs entered in obedience
>shows may not be neutered?  If this is true, it's quite a shame for
>those of us who have wonderful dogs we've adopted from a pound (no
>papers, and definately neutered) who would love to compete in
>obedience shows.  Does anyone else feel this way?  I understand
>why the rules are in place for conformation, but not for obedience.
>Could the AKC be petitioned to allow for a new "breed" to be
>recognized for obedience shows only?  Something like, "All American
>Competitor?"  From some of these wonderful stories about obedience
>shows, I really feel like I'm missing out.
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From: mitcha@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mitch Abrams)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:13:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Dogs PREFER crates
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Sometimes we forget that dogs don't think like people (confinement=bad),
they think like wolves. Dogs (and wolves) are den animals. My dogs like
to climb in their dog house turn around (to block the entrance) and take a 
snooze.

Crate training is great (and useful).

Good Luck

Mitch


Newfs- Love 'em or get out of their way!
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: AKC Papers
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:12:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.123238.11758@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> 
	smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson) writes:
>
>First, a "pedigreed" dog simply means a dog with parents. It has nothing to 
>do with being purebred or mixed breed, though people often think it does.

Your second sentence is accurate, but your first one is not.

A "pedigreed" dog not only has parents, but there
is a record (i.e. you know) of exactly who these parents are.  By your
definition above, *every* dog is pedigreed.  I could get a purebred dog
from a shelter, but if I had no papers, the dog would technically not be
"pedigreed".  Similarly, I could have a "Heinz 57 Variety Dog" (as my
neighbor calls one of his) and if I have a record of all the dogs parents,
grandparents, greatgrandparents, etc.  I could claim to have a "pedigreed"
dog.  

Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Dog to Good Home WAS Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: st1pt@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:49:01 GMT

In article <15943@mindlink.bc.ca>, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writ

>Example: You buy a green dog, and redecorate your house a year later. The dog
>now clashes with your sofa so you find a new home for it and get a purple
>dog.

There was actually a lady who brought her cat into the Houston SPCA
because she had redecorated and the cat didn't match the decor anymore.


--
Amy Shinpaugh
st1pt@jetson.uh.edu
From: mledna@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Matt Ledna)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:04:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Overly Protective Doggie
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs


  I don't know if this will work for your specific problem, but I keep a
  "throw-can" (empty beer can with ~10 pennies inside) handy for problems
  like this.  In particular, I have broken Zack of rushing to the front
  door when people come over (he now waits in the kitchen) and of jumping
  on them when they come in.  Simply keep it in hand and send it flying
  toward the dog's butt when there's a problem.  Time it with a loud NO
  and you should see results.

Matt Ledna
ledna@hppgpaa.corp.hp.com
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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Three part question
Keywords: invisible fence treats thank you
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:56:33 GMT

In article <2AC22351.27313@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.144324.21439@news.nd.edu> mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening) writes:

>>AAA listed hotel was on their route.  I have also heard of a book
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>stricly listing hotel/motels that allow pets.  I don't know the exact
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>name of it yet though.  Thanks again and have a nice day :-).
>
>I would like the name of this book to put in the FAQ...

I think it's called "Traveling with Towser" and published by
an oil company.  (Vested interests ehhhh?  We drive more because we
can take the dog and at least some of us will buy gas from them.)
-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: German Pinschers
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:06:26 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

About 3 years ago, at a show, I saw my first German
Pinscher...unfortunately only at a distance. At that time I'd heard that
there were only *2* anywhere in Canada! About a year ago, I saw somebody at
a show with a puppy...so obviously there are more now, but I am REALLY
surprised that this 'economy sized doberman' has not become more popular
than it has.

Amazingly, even the books I have that are full of really rare breeds make
no mention of the German Pinscher, which is as far as I know, a breed much
older than the Doberman.

About 1/2 a year ago, a most unfortunate and abysmally uninformed rule was
passed by the strata council of my building, limiting the hight of dogs to
18"...my dobie is allowed to stay, but he would have to be replaced by a
smaller dog :(

Does anybody have more info on the GP? Specifically:
1. Temperament, is it much like a dobie or is it less of a mini-dobie than it
   looks?
2. What is the height/weight for males and females?
3. What is happening with the breed? Are they AKC/CKC recognized? Are there
   any being shown? Why haven't they become more popular?
4. Physically, are they as well put together as a dobie? As streamlined and
   beautiful?

I'm more than a little curious about this breed, so any information you can
dig up would be appreciated, or even an address of somebody I could write to
for more information. Thank you!

p.s. I am not talking about Miniature Pinschers here, but of a completely
separate breed which some of you may not have heard about.

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From: Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: Re: Obedience Classes was Motivational Methods
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:49:08 GMT

Several people haave commented on dog training classes and the quality
thereof.
	We have two Border Collies (BC's), Buster and Jake.  Buster is
about four, and we are about his fourth set of people.  Jake is two,
but only has three legs (He tried to herd a car one day).  I mention 
these to show that each of our dogs has unique problems.
	We enrolled the dogs in obedience classes at the Durham
Kennal Club, and the resulting change in behavior is incredible.
The classes are rather expensive ($60/dog), but there are only about ten
dogs in each class, and the instructors (3) take time to work with
each handler indvidualy.
	My only qualm is that they are encouraging us to use food as
a training aid, which seems wrong to me.  If you're bribing your dog to
behave, what happens when the dog isn't hungry?	

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From: dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Deborah Trytten)
Subject: Re: Signs you've gone to a bad veterinarian
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:38:21 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs 

In article <1992Oct1.185021.23063@col.hp.com> lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>Seriously (but it was funny to watch)... I knew I had the wrong vet
>when he insisted on lifting my very mellow, 110-pound setter onto 
>a table for routine exams and shots. Allie hated it, I hated it (I
>had to help lift!), and I found a new vet ASAP.

I knew that I had picked the wrong vet when I had to remind the vet
three times that my Sammy has potential heart problems.  She tried
to prescribe three medications in a row that an old guy with a
heart murmur (sp?) shouldn't take.  :-( 

Luckily, thanks to some netters in Norman, I've now found a much
better vet.  :-)  In fact, the boys are having their teeth cleaned
today--so tonight my playful, rambunctious shelties will have been
replaced with a couple of bags of colorful sand.  Whenever they spend
the day elsewhere they always return home exhauted--I bet that the
vet cheats them out of their little eight hour nap they usually get
when I'm at work.

Incidentally, I've also found out that something that I have 
recommended in the past isn't a good idea.   My old vet (in Michigan),
used to clean the dogs' teeth without anesthetic.  I thought it was
a great idea.  The problem is that the vet cannot go beneath the
gum line with the dogs awake.  So the teeth look good, and the breath
smells better, but the real problem--just like with people--isn't solved.
Sorry to lead you folks astray.   

Deborah Trytten
dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (BL054626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Selective hearing VS playing dumb?
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
|> In article <21005@drutx.ATT.COM>, mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
|> 
|> And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
|> woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
|> next show!
|> 

That's true, more or less.  I have heard Mals "bark", but it is unlike most other
dogs' barks.  Variations on their Woo-woo is : Brooooo! Booo-ROOO, etc.

BTW, my Alaskan husky makes the same noise.  I wonder if there is a little Mal
is her background.

Sky Warrior &
Conan (Arrroooo!)
Cuawn (Arroo! Arf! Arf!)
Shadow (Arrrrha?)
Mirin (Yip! Yip!)
Dancer (Brooooo!)
Skye (nothing)
Jasmine (Ar Rar Rar Oooh!)
Kersel (?)
Ed (?)
Tasha(?)
Kiana (?)
 

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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:51:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <Bv8q5u.K7s@acsu.buffalo.edu> berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:
>My Norwegian Elkhound, Wotan, who is 1  1/2 years old is totally stiff since
>24 hours.  He cannot get up nor get down alone.  Once he is up he can walk
>around but very slowly and he looks very stiff.
>He is usually full of energy and doesn't have any problems at all.
>On Friday evening he was just fine.  On Saturday morning, when I called him
>to get up he couldn't get up -- I had to help him. I took him to the
>backyard
>where he pooped a lot, and "IT" looked almost black and was slymy.  I took
>him to the vet who told us because he had diarhea he is so stiff, and that
>it is possible that he has gas that got throughout his body and causes the 
>stiffness.  At the vet his temperature was slightly elevated.  The vet gave
........
>Any suggestions what it could be would be appreciated.
>Thanks!
>
>Heike Berlind

Just a wild guess, but maybe you should have him checked for
lyme's disease.  A friend of mine's GSD got Lyme's disease about
two years ago.  The GSD 's joints became very stiff and almost
arthritic like.  I can't remember if they said she had anyother
problems.  The vet, ran a blood test and diagonsed it in time
to treat her.  

Good luck!

-------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  4 mo. sable and white collie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Vicki Hearne, another article
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:39:31 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bv32FB.96C@iat.holonet.net>, bhooper@iat.holonet.net (Robert Hooper) writes:
> Reading Vicki's works always makes me feel stupid and wonder why her prose
> is so convoluted. I agree, her ideas are interesting, but her syntax makes
> me wonder... Is Yale producing writers of her stripe? <g>
> 
> She is, however, a valued resource in the battle against the forces of ARism.
> 

It's been a while since I read *Adam's Task*, but didn't she major in litra-
choor (;-)?  That tends to convolute the prose convulsively.

Then there's the snob thing among all/many/some [choose one] academics that
if you can understand it, it can't be any good.  As Garibaldi said in *Outlander* (and someone uses for  a .sig) "A well-constructed argument can be more
convincing than a  baldly-stated fact."  

I don't feel stupid when I read her, just irritated.  She has good stuff to
say, but she makes me work unnecessarily hard to extract it.  This also means
that I find it easier to misconstrue what she means.  Not good when you're
writing to communicate.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Raising dogs vs. children
Date: 30 SEP 92 11:44:22 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson) wrote:
>In article <1992Sep29.235741.24609@odin.corp.sgi.com> bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi

>>Reasons why dogs are neat but kids are much better
>>1)   Dogs don't like being dressed up in cute outfits

>Um, are you sure children like this? Well, maybe up to a certain age.... :-)

   UM are you sure dogs *DON'T* like this??  
   Bev
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Fem. Golden Ret. plumbing woes
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com

SE>spade.  Unfortunately, I got a call about an hour later from the Vet saying
SE>that they couldn't perform the operation because the dog had a slight
SE>vag. infection.  The dog must now go through 1 heat cycle (I'm not enthused
SE>about this) before we can try this again.  Hopefully, the Vet said, the heat
SE>cycle will flush things out so that the infection problem (she's had one
SE>before) will go away.  But the other, more alarming, news the Vet gave us wa
SE>that our dog has an abnormally shaped piece of female plumbing that is
SE>conducive to infections.
SE>My questions are this: Since the Vet will recommend reconstructive surgery i
SE>the heat cycle fails to eliminate the infection problem, have any of you had

Ok maybe I am missing something here, the dog has a vaginal infection is
it Pyometria? Did the vet give you antibiotics for the dog? If not, GET
SOME!! Secondly, why would you do reconstructive surgery on something
you are trying to remove...
First get the dog on antibiotics for the infection, if you wait for the
"Heat Cycle to flush this out" you are asking for trouble. The
infection could spread and get worse and you will end up with a very
sick animal. Once the antibiotics have done there job, you can have the
dog spayed. In fact I have had a bitch spay because of a uterine
infection during the time the infection was active.
I would highly recommend you find another vet, IMHO yours has a few
screws missing, why would any vet recommend reconstructive surgery to
correct a problem when your original intent is to have the dog spayed,
this makes absolutly no sense at all.

Kathleen
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From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: Greyhound Obedience Training
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:50:45 GMT

   I have 2 Greyhounds.  Quaint has her UKC & AKC CD and knows
all of open but the drop.  Dancer (ex-racer) knows novice and
will enter her first trial soon.  I never forced my dogs into
a sit.  Why make the experience unpleasant?  Dancer was
especially skittish about being touched on the hindquarters.
I used a food treat to teach both the sit and down.  It is
reinforced because when I give the Dobe her thyroid medicene
everyone gets a treat which they must sit for.  BTW Quaint has
never forgotten to sit in the ring where of course there aren't
any food treats.
 
If any of you receive Front & Finnish , look at the Sighthound
column for a pic of 2 CD Greyhounds.  The one of the left is
Quaint............Pamela and the happy pack
>punished for sitting apparently, none of us are sure how to approach
>teaching 'sit'.  We have suggested going very slowly and gently, but no-one
>knew for sure.  'Down' is also going to be a problem since it's usually
>taught from a 'sit'.
>
>Can anyone out there give advice -
>
>Thanks.
>
>Alison
>/* End of text from techsup:rec.pets.dogs */
>
>i have a retired racing greyhound that i took through obedience
>training.  she sits and downs just fine now.
>
>i don't know if racing greyhounds are punished for sitting, or
>not, but i do know that greyhounds do not sit comfortably.
>they're just not built to sit.
>
>one thing to keep in mind is that greyhounds can be extremely
>stubborn animals...  extremely.  but, if they like you, they'll
>want to do just about anything to please you.
>
>anyway...  i had a difficult time with mine but it only took a
>couple of sessions to teach her the idea and a couple more to
>have her doing sits consistently.  my method was to stand to the
>dog's right, give the command sit, and place the dog by pulling
>up on the leash and pushing down on the rump.  it's a fight.
>these dogs are strong -- sometimes i wondered which one of us was
>going to win.  sheila would put here ears back and grit her teath
>but after she figured out that she had no choice, we started
>making progress.  no problem now -- she even does automatic sits.
>
>down was the same way.  i put her into a sit, praised her for it,
>then while pulling down on the leash and giving the command,
>placed her.  i figured that after learning sit, down would be
>easier.  wrong.  but she's got it now.
>
>some greyhounds are more skittish than others.  they require lots
>of patience and praise -- just like any animal, but they can
>learn sit and down -- even sit stay and down stay.
>
>email me if you have more questions.
>
>kenb@qat.tandy.com
>...!utacfd!trsvax!qat!kenb
>
>
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: kimbertal dobermans
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EC83849B0D2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:40:20 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:47:03 GMT

In article <92269.182548CR7709A@auvm.american.edu> Christine R.
Rasmussen, CR7709A@auvm.american.edu writes:
>Does anyone know anything about the Kimbertal Kennel?  I have read their
>advertisements in the back of DogWorld and was highly impressed with
their
>guaratees.  I'm going to write them a letter, but in the mean time, does
>anyone have anything to say about them?  How much are their dogs - show
>quality male dobes? By the way, how much do Dobermans eat?  Just curious.

I don't know about all dobies but Major eats about 30-35 lbs of Chuck
Wagon Lean each month (with leftover goodies thrown in once in a while).
Also he goes through a 10lb box of extra large Milkbones (his favorite)
each
month.  And whatever he can sneak from  Tiggers cat bowl. ;-) ...


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:03:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23827
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Schalene Dagutis writes:
>>Strays are pretty uncommon nowadays.  I've taken a few in and
>>trained them, to find them homes.  It's very easy, you should try it.
>>
>Again, very untrue in many rural areas where the philosophy of pet
>ownership can be very different than expressed on the net.  It's
>common for a whole pack of strays to show up at my parents house
>looking for food of any type.  

>Something tells me you haven't really considered all areas of the
>country when forming your opinions.

Vicki Hearne mentions that there are places still that let dogs
run, and mentions North Carolina!

But not New Mexico, as a previous post informs me.

No, I describe the places I'm familiar with, which probably
match any semi-urban area.

What is good about seeing dogs still running, is that the
dogs that aren't running, aren't strays, are likely to be
treated with the right general attitude for them to thrive
as members of their neighborhoods.

That is, they aren't prima facie vicious in the neighbors' eyes,
but given neighborly consideration.

Problem dogs aren't generalized by the community, I'm trying to say.

So your dog can bite a malefactor as he is supposed to without
the neighbors becoming nervous.  Just the opposite.

The dogs guard the neighborhood.
----

I am trying to recall to the net that rural philosophy of dog
ownership, which is all but unintelligible nowadays to many.

Read Thurber's dog stories, say the dog who bites everybody, i think
it is; or about the dog who brings home a chest of drawers.  These
were set in Columbus, Ohio, an area I know very well today; where
today dogs are almost hostages.

I still live in an area surrounded by farms - where about a quarter of
the dogs are adopted walk-ins, ie. dropped off on the highway; but
now it's rare for one to turn up.

The guy down the road, who farms I guess 4000 acres, has a super
Dobie he picked up that way.