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From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or ... (advice to beginning drummers)
Keywords: drums 
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:27:03 GMT

> = wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Thanks to some of your helpful hints, I'm planning to at least start
>with purchasing a snare drum(at least a good start) so I can do some
>practicing, cause beating sticks in air doesn't help much. 

My advice:

o Start out by buying a practice pad, sticks, metronome & a beginners book.
  If ultimately you want a drum set, still just get a practice pad
  for now.  That way you can make some real progress will you start checking
  out used drum kits, which should include a snare drum anyway.  Also, due 
  to volume, sometimes you're going to need a way to practice quietly.

o You should have some sort of beginners book.  Even if you don't plan to
  read music while *playing*, you should have some basic reading skills
  for practicing.  Also, written drum parts is the standard way of
  communicating specific info about drum parts.  There is a gold-mine of 
  information & ideas in the form of written material.  
  My mimimal must-have list is (the titles may not be exactly right):
  Jim Chapin     - Coordinated Independence for the Modern Jazz Drummer
  Carmine Appice - Realistic Rock
  George Stone   - Stick Control #1  (for general technique)
  BTW, (to other drummers) how about some sharing your "must-have" lists.

o Start out by buying a practice pad, sticks, metronome & a beginners book.
  Also, you really should seek out a teacher (paid or unpaid) who you
  can talk face-to-face with.

o When practicing with a practice pad, tapping 1-2-3-4 with your right
  foot and 2-4 with your left foot will get you started with hand/foot
  coordination.

-Brian
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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:57:08 GMT

Philip A. Petrocelli (petrop@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu) wrote:

> than hold their own.  Volume doesn't seem to be something they respond to well,
> so I doubt you'll be seeing any Slayer cover bands using them, but who knows -
> it would sure be different!

You're right about the *overall* volume, I think, but there's a wonderfully
sharp attack on the "leading edge" of a hit on a tom, for instance.

Another point in PureCussion's favor is that they mic up really *really* well.

LAiRD

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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or not to autoco-ordinate, that is the question.
Keywords: drums 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.221322.26509@acuson.com> brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox) writes:
>wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>
>Part of the reason you tire easily is that you don't have a big pedal
>spring to send your foot back!  The other (greater) part has to do with

  That could also be a good reason.. and anyway..I don't have a big pedal..
though I'm sure I can TRY to make one from scraps.. <like I really would> :)

 Edmund
>


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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Pipeband Snare drum question:
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:55:00 GMT


	I'm from Nova Scotia, Canada, originally, which is home to MANY
	Pipe and Drum Corps. (Btw, Nova Scotia is latin for 'New
	Scotland' for any confused folks).  I also learned percussion
	(like most instruments) in Halifax N.S. for 11 years performing
	in bands, orchestras, and punk bands (in high school)!!! 
	BUT, I can't for the life of me figure out why they snare the
	batter head of the drum in Scottish pipe and drum bands!!
	It always sounded so false, and itchy to me.  I have seen the
	ensemble NEXUS from Toronto several times, and they played
	traditional side drums, which sounded full and rich.  Who/what
	possesed somebody to 'mess with' the snare configuration on these
	drum? 

	I WANNA KNOW !!!!!!


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  __________________________| intentions of these people!!! (just kidding)

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From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Subject: Re: Getting started...help!
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:21:55 GMT


In article <1992Nov14.223637.20012@src4src.linet.org>, redsonja@src4src.linet.org (Red Sonja) writes:
|>I guess what I'm trying to say is, is there a good book/video or is it
|>best to just listen a lot to tapes or whatever and try to figure out what
|>the person is hitting by ear? 

There are some excellent videos/audio tapes out that could help quite a
bit.  Dave Weckl's "Back to Basics" is excellent if you want a first-hand
look at someone with real chops.  Dave's for real...and not for the
squeamish.  Steve Smith and Rod Morgenstein have excellent videos as well,
though they assume the viewer can read drum notation.  Smith's comes with a
book of all the transcriptions in fact.  The late Jeff Porcaro has a short
video (roughly 30 mintues) where he talks about playing shuffles and jazz
styles.

Dave Weckl also has a audio tape/instruction set (Contemporary  Drummer +1)
that includes a tape with drums included on one side, and then mixed out on
the other side.  Also comes with charts and a book where Dave describes (in
detail) why he plays what he does.

Dale

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From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: Re: Cymbals
Keywords: low cost
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:35:12 GMT

>Anyone know of a good outlet to get Cymbals at a relatively low cost?!
>I buy Sabian or Zildjian for my uses, and am going to be in the market 
>for a 16" and 18" crash here in about a month....  What mail order places
>offer good prices on cymbals?! 
>
Try Suncoast @ (813)822-4949 or The Woodwind & the Brasswind @ 1-800-348-5003

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From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or not to autoco-ordinate, that is the question.
Keywords: drums 
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:49:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.173004.19839@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.221322.26509@acuson.com>, brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox) writes:
>> Part of the reason you tire easily is that you don't have a big pedal
>> spring to send your foot back!  The other (greater) part has to do with
>> not having developed the muscles involved and using improper technique.
>> My drum teacher (years ago) had me use my whole leg for the bulk of the
>> motion and flex my ankle for control, and to help with double hits and
>> other things.  (This is when playing heel-up)  I could never get enough
>> volume with my heel down to have pursued that avenue...
>
>Really?? My drum teacher always told me use my ankle only. He used to
>give me total shit if he saw my knee so much as twitch...
>-- 
>
>   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
>		Evans & Sutherland


As long as I can remember, I've always used my whole leg, as Paul
describes. I don't remeber what my instructor told me because it was so
long ago, and we didn't work on the kit much. I'm beginning to wonder
if I learned to play heal down, whether I might have more control. Over
time, you'll build the strength and coordination of your calf muscles,
and if you still need that extra power, you can throw your leg into it
then. Hmmm... time to start thinking about relearning some things maybe.
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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Speed...
Keywords: Help me!!!
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:27:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.235512.27036@csi.uottawa.ca>, u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad) writes:
> 
> Good day!
> 
> I've been playing drums half seriously since seventh grade (now in fourth here at
> Ottawa U...)
> 
> I learned from records and a very basic Paganini book...
> 
> My major problem right now is that I still can't maintain a decently fast 8th
> note beat on the cymbals (including hi-hat) without serious pain and cramps in my
> forearm.
> 
> Can anyone suggest some techniques or exercises for this particular problem.  As
> an example, I still, to this day, have never been able to play Walk of Life by
> Dire Straits completely at its quite decent speed of 176.

I high school marching band we used to stand around for hours and
play:

        |                           |                           |
	|   >     >     >     >     |      >     >     >     >  |
	|:  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | :|
	|  x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x   |  x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x   |
        |                           |                           |

(4/4 time, eigth notes, with alternating accents, repeated
continuously. ASCII was not designed for musical notation.)

...all on one hand. We'd switch hands every five or ten minutes to get
an even work out. We'd start slow, but keep kicking up the tempo until
it was practically unbearable. You don't have to do this long before
you find your attainable tempo increasing.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
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From: randim@well.sf.ca.us (Nigel Larch)
Subject: FOR SALE: Roland R-8 "Human Rhythm Composer"
Keywords: drum machine for sale
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:38:37 GMT

For Sale:

1 Roland R-8 "Human Rhythm Composer" drum machine	$400/best offer.

I believe that this is no longer the top of the line.  I think the
new version retails for about $800.  If you think my price is too high,
feel free to make any offer you deem appropriate.

You can respond to this account or call 415-863-8140 24 hrs/day.

					-Randy Imler
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From: jcfowler@david.wheaton.edu (John C. Fowler)
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:49:10 GMT

In article <RREED.92Nov16180450@mtwire.es.com> rreed@mtwire.es.com (Rob Reed) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>Kirk Potter writes:
>
>>...and if you can play
>>side-drum for pipe band...you can play drums for anything....ie. bugle bands,
>>marching bands, kit drums etc.....
>                 ~~~~~~~~~
>
>I think I shall disagree with this statement about the kit drums, for
>the mere fact that accurate timing, finesse, strength, speed, and the
>rest that goes along with being a pipe band side drummer is still
>insufficient to play a drum kit (I used to call them "drum set" -
>shows how much I'm dated!) well.  I almost think there's a GIFT that
>is involved with playing a drum set as well as some people play.
>Involved with that gift is the ability to "breathe" the music, - a
>real artistic touch of creativity.  Certainly playing a drum
>kit well requires foundations that can be achieved as a side drummer,
>but side drumming alone is insufficient.

I would have to agree.  I have played set for eight years now and have  
been apart of two Open-Class Drum & Bugle Corps.  The chops I gained
through Drum Corp were quite helpful to my set playing, but in some ways it
was harmful as well.  I tended to tighten up much quicker than I had before,
and my coordination was a little miss-matched.  D&B Corps gave me the hand
coordination I needed, but my feet had a hard time catching up.  On the set,
one's feet are more than vital to the quality of playing, and playing a
side-drum alone will not develop them.

>>As for wearing a skirt....it's great fun!!!!
>
>Well, it's a little cold here in Salt Lake City for St. Patrick's Day,
>so, I shall see about that.
>
Same here out in the suburbs of Chicago.  

But I'm all for wearing the skirts inside. :-O

john...
From: pettit@cs.unc.edu (Cynthia Pettit)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:38:37 GMT

Well, I don't know any >traditional< bagpipe drumming -- but there's a duo
of Scottish style drummers from Toronto Canada called The Kerr Drummers.  I
thought they were a lot of fun and totally hip!  One of the drummers was
actually the lead drummer for a band called Rare Air, a jazzy bagpipe band
with a set drummer and bassist and all that.  Not traditional, but very
good!

The address for Rare Air is:

PO Box 805
Station P, Toronto
Ontario Canada M5s 2Z1

They would probably know what Trevor Ferrior of the Kerr Drummers is up to,
so you could find him there.

Check out Rare Air anyway.  Primeval is my favorite.  I adore them and would
like to see them become sucessful. :)  (Record stores tend to put them under
international -> Canada, not Jazz or Rock...)

Cyn

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From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:55:56 GMT

>
>Has anybody really used these PUREcussion drums?  I thought they
>were just practice pads, but they're really shell-less drums.
>
>Not to dis anyone who has one, but why would anyone want one of
>these things?  Is there some advantage that I'm missing?

Yes, I play a in a band and I use a double bass 7 piece Purecussion
set. I took a little getting used to , But I love them now.The 
marketing garb on this product states that it folds up neetly. WRONG!
It is much easier to remove the drums and stack them . My entire set stacks
up in about a foot of space. The only thing I dislike about the set
is the quality of the cymbal stands. They could be built more sturdy.

Another good thing about the set has been the support from the company.
I had serveral lugs break on the bass drum and called Purecussion 
for a replacement part. They sent me 10 replacement parts free.
Try and get Pearl, Yamaha or any of the other to do that!

They are great drums for triggering as well. They also mike very good.

I would suggest them to any type of player. They do lend themselves to
jazz/fusion more than heavy rock.

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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Speed...
Keywords: Help me!!!
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:54:10 GMT

One of the things that has always helped me has been strengthening exersices.
While sitting and watching TV, rotate your wrists, one at a time, clockwise, 
and then counter clockwise.  A lot of the problems that you see is not that it
necessarily comes from the fact that your hands aren't fast enough, but that
your forearms are built up enough to take the endurance, or that your joints 
aren't flexible enough to accomidate the required speed.

Another exercise that really works is to get a big feather pillow, and try
doing rudiments on this once or twice a week.  This pillow has no bounce, and
your arms have to really work to keep any speed.  This will build up the 
endurance of your forearms in no time at all...and good luck!!!

Sean

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From: klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM (Kevin Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Drum nevers
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:18:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: pirate.corp.sun.com

In article 1437@tdat.teradata.COM, wbj@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (William Jones) writes:
>Ulano had some tips that I've found useful over the years, like NEVER clean your
>cymbals. Ride on the closed hi-hat, not a cymbal, when a singer is singing, and
>stuff like that there.

OK, I'll ask: why?


---
--Kevin Chu	klc@Corp.Sun.COM
From: GRS00005@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Kevin Stuart Liske)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Personal to Mary Mark
Date: 14 Nov 1992 19:40:19 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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Couldn't reply or email direct to you.  Thanks for the all the info
on middle eastern rhythms.

Kevin

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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:28:43 GMT

In article <lgj7e3INN97r@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM  
(Kevin Chu) writes:
> Has anybody really used these PUREcussion drums?  I thought they
> were just practice pads, but they're really shell-less drums.
> 
> Not to dis anyone who has one, but why would anyone want one of
> these things?  Is there some advantage that I'm missing?

Portability!  The toms fold against the kick drum, and the
whole package is much lighter and less bulky than a trap
set.

They sounded OK to me; not the same as traditional shelled
toms and kick, but fine in they're own right.  I'll bet they
sound even better mic'ed, since a sound system could add
low end that is missing from the lack of a resonating
shell.

I even saw an ad that claimed they made good MIDI trigger
pads. 

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

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From: Alan Rowoth <alan@lpl.org>
Subject: Re: A little help please...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A73014D4A2010103@alan.lpl.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20: 42:12 GMT
Organization: Liverpool Public Library
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:56:32 GMT

Many drummers unconsciously tune their drums to pitched intervals. I used to
tune my 5 piece set in fifths, down from the snare drum. Some guys with big
kits like a major 3rd interval. Obviously, drums have a lot of overtone, but
you can hear it if you listen for it. I liked the snare drum up pretty high,
but didn't try to specifically tune it to any note of concert pitch. (Although
I'll bet I did it unconsciously.) If your band is very guitar oriented, you
might try an E, G, C, or D as a starting point. Different heads sound very
different. I loved the sound of the Fibreskin heads (especially on the snare),
but played so loudly in my rock band that I went thru them once a week and
wound up going to the Remo Dot-reinforced heads to bring the cost down. They
were okay on toms, but I wouldn't recommend them for a snare unless you had no
other choice. Definitely not if you ever play with brushes. 

My whole kit is electronic now, except for the kick (which I don't mike and
just use as a trigger for the drum modules) and the cymbals. My home-made pads
are made from computer mousepad material which holds up great. The electronic
drums are _real_ short on nuance, but have a lot of subtle benefits: lack of
maintainence, versatility, zillions of sounds, preprogrammed effects, they
reproduce exactly thru the PA system, no
expensive-mikes-that-sound-funky-after-you-hit-them-a-couple-of-times, no mike
stands and cable to setup and take down cluttering your setup. Most serious
drummers hate the lack of real drum response with electronic, but they are
very effective if used within their limitations.

Good luck with your band.
Alan Rowoth
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From: ssadagop@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sriram Sadagopan)
Subject: help wanted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:58:26 GMT

hi everybody,
              I have been playing drums for the past two years now.The problem
iam facing is that i don't know if my technique is faulty.I didn't go to a
professional drum teacher to learn,(just picked up by ear).When i see any book
for percussion fundamentals,its all in notations which i don't understand.Can
you recommend some books which explain the fundamentals of the notation
system.Also what would be a good price to pay for a used drum kit?I've seen
a kit for $520 which includes a bass drum with a pedal,snare,two toms,a
floor tom,hi-hat and a stand for the ride cymbal.Is it a good deal?
sriram
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