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From: greene@sequoia.webo.dg.com (Jon Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:20:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA

In article <1992Aug28.133457.20336@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
|> 
|> The details we can work out.  But the basic question:
|> "should colleges pay student athletes?" gets a resounding YES
|> from this poster.
|> 
|> For example, for 3 years my daughter worked on campus as a secretary for
|> the Performing Arts Center; she sent out mailings and, generally,
|> did what she could to help sell seats at the various performances.
|> This work was paid by the school for the benefit of the school.
|> Doesn't a football player do the same thing, for the school?
|> Fans go and plunks their money down to see the players play;
|> therefore, they should be paid.
|> 
|> Yes, I'm well aware of the value of a scholarship (we've put 2 girls
|> through college and have 2 boys in High School getting ready for
|> college) but athletes should have the same priviliges as other students
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
being on full scholarship, academic advisors, special meals, etc. already puts athletes well ahead of "other students" on the privileges meter....

|> (who have mom and dad putting up $).  Being on the football team

last time I looked there was no NCAA rule against parents of athletes giving them money too.....

|> and hitting the books does not leave any time for a part time job
|> to pay the little incidentals of college life.

and working one or two jobs just to pay tuition doesn't leave much time to enjoy the little incidentals of college life either.  If the athlete needs extra money how about something shocking....like a summer job.  I know it's ridiculous at some schools to consider athletes students, but let's not finish the job by making them officially professionals.
 


-- 
Jon Greene
Data General Corporation 
Westboro, MA

It should be obvious, but just in case...I don't speak for anyone other
than myself.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: BYU Status
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:00:44 -0700

In article <1992Aug18.194918.9674@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jkl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (jon.k.lyons) writes:
> Anyone have any info on the BYU quarterback situation, now that Detmer's
> gone on to bigger and better things? 
> 
> Enquiring minds want to know!
> -- 
> Jon Lyons                                            jon.k.lyons@att.com
> AT&T Bell Laboratories                               att!jon.k.lyons


From what I've seen of BYU fall practice and scrimages, John Walsh will be
tough to beat out.  Not only is he looking good, Steve Clements (John's
competition) has not been at 100% due to illness.

No matter which quarterback starts, look for BYU's runningbacks to
buy their quarterback some time to adjust to the limelight.  By BYU's 
runningback standards, they will be awesome.

Lookout SDSU,UCLA,NOTRE DAME, AND PENN ST...oh, and yes, UTAH.
From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 1 Sep 1992 07:32:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <Btv3tM.Hsy@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>>You forgot to mention the whalloping Washington gave to Michigan
>>in the Rose Bowl. 
>
>well, thats because I was mainly concentrating the performance
>of Califorinia teams in bowl games (2-3, with So Cal staying home)

And notice how California has 5 teams in Bowls to begin with.  :-)
But my comment was more directed about the problem of only one
team from the PAC-10 in the SI poll, not about the other teams
from California.   

>
>other than Cal's victory over a declining Clemson program
>(the same clemson that lost to Georgia and tied with UVa)
>there was little for California to get excited about.

Clemson was still the ACC champ.  And they were supposedly one of the
top defenses in the nation.  I think they were ranked above Cal before
the game as well.

>
>And Washington is not in California, and its questionable
>if Michigan really benefits from the ECMB.

Michigan is in the Eastern Time Zone.  They get help from it.  Cal
played Washington down to the wire.  Michigan was romped by U-Dub.
Who's the better team?  

>(then again, I can't get any further east coast, so I'm
>terribly biased)

I'm from the East Coast myself.  Great place for Basketball teams.

>Michael Nelson

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley
From: jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:39:29 GMT
	<1992Aug25.160936.1246@hou.amoco.com> <17ee3eINN11a@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division
In-reply-to: rhan@viterbi.berkeley.edu's message of 25 Aug 92 23:01:02 GMT

In article <17ee3eINN11a@agate.berkeley.edu> rhan@viterbi.berkeley.edu (Richard Han) writes:

> Back to football.  I'm surprised that the line on the A&M vs. Stanford game
> is only 2-3 points in A&M's favor.  I'd favor A&M by two touchdowns or more.
> 
> On the matchups:
> 1) A&M offense has depth and speed in its favor, except at the QB position.
> Stanford's defense is sorely lacking in depth and speed and will try to
> make up for it by "smart" play, but may be worn down by A&M's sustained 
> running attack.  I don't see A&M passing due to their brand-new QB.  This
> could be a major handicap if A&M gets behind late.

That's potentially bad news for A&M.  Stanford figures to do pretty well
against the run.  The entire front 7 are back (one is currently out with an
injury).  They were pretty strong against the run last year.  The outside
linbackers, particularly, are outstanding.

The D-line is solid, although it isn't especially good at pass-rushing.  Which
brings me to my other point:

Where the defence is weak is against the pass.  Besides the lack of a strong
rush, they are potentially vulnerable in the secondary.  There are a couple of
new people, and even the experienced people are still learning somewhat.  

So, I'd say that A&M needs some form of passing game.

-Jim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: Re: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:32:29 GMT

--
>>Subject: Re: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?

>From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Martin L. Burrell)
>Subject: Re: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?
>Message-ID: <1992Sep2.054852.24327@news.unomaha.edu>
>Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server)
>Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
>References: <1992Sep2.002529.25948@u.washington.edu>
>Distribution: seattle
>Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:48:52 GMT
>Lines: 11

>Well, in a couple of weeks, we're sure gonna try! I don't know all that's 
>going on, but Tom Osborne has sure been smiling alot this month.

>GO HUSKERS!!

>Skip

I think that this will be a good game. Nebraska is the underdog but I think
ESPN has a good game in the works here.

Last years game ended with an 11 point spread but Nebraska was up by 4 or so
after 3 quarters. I call that a good game.

I do know this - the Huskers are keying on this game. They are focusing on
it big time. The Nebraska program needs to break thru vs a legit top-10 team
again (They used to beat teams like that frequently). The players feel that
they have something to prove (and they do) and there is no better time to do
it than against the defending MNC on national cable.

I have heard that Osborne is optomistic about this years squad. He's been
making some pretty brash statements - at least for someone as soft spoken
and boring as he.

You still have to favor the huskIES though. Last year they had a great balanced
attack. They could run AND pass with great skill and I'm sure they will be
the same or very close this year. Nebraska is still striving to attain that
run/pass balance. Maybee they can do it this year? We shall see.

I also hear that Osborne is very optomistic about the Husker defense this year.
But they still have an uphill battle AT Washington.

Husker Henderson

GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, 
GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, 
GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, 
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 M_Henderson               | "Could you please continue the petty bickering?
 Marty Henderson           |  I find it most intriguing."   ---    Data, 
 Woodland Park, Colorado   |  Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven"
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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Why did the Gators drop in AP poll?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:42:42 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <j.m.crant.1.6.0@nd.edu> j.m.crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant) writes:
>The Florida Gators dropped from 4th to 6th in the 2nd AP poll of the 
>season, in spite of the fact that they-- or the teams that jumped ahead of 
>them-- haven't played a game yet.  What's the deal here?  I haven't heard of 

Because the Gators suck, of course.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.FSU.edu
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Originator: delarocq@c00090-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:04:59 GMT








  You may be able to say that NCSU has no shot at defeating Iowa, and say
  "NCSWho?", and call a #26 "REality", but I don't see Alabama playing
  anybody important this preseason. I comment with one statement:

        Change your team name from the Crimson Tide to the R_dne_k Tide.
        You fill in the blanks.

 
     
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:25:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <14971@borg.cs.unc.edu> crittend@cs.unc.edu writes:

> In article <14968@borg.cs.unc.edu>, morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes
> ] al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) writes:
> ] >VR> Ahem...the score was 65-14, A&M...
> ] >
> ] >Ok, I stopped watching when it was 52-14.
> ] 
> ] That's okay.  The only one taking it seriously after that was Slocum. ;-)
> ] -- 
> ] Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> 
> i don't know about that, bryan.  BYU's crotchety old coach looked
> pretty serious in his post-game "greeting" of slocum.
> --brad

  I think he had a bit of a right to.  The Ags were getting downright cavalier
in the latter 3rd and 4th quarters, what with the continuing downfield passes
and the bits of razzle-dazzle thrown in for good measure kinda adding insult
to injury.  Sometimes I wonder how many of those plays Slocum and/or Toledo
called, and how many the players just decided to audiblize as revenge for the
media bashing on how BYU deserved a better, more highly-ranked opponent.  I
heard the Left Coast papers were somewhat critical of A&M's ability (a bit
deserved that year, IMO).


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
* Aggie in Cougarland -- I just work here.				       *
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mark Levine: Triumph 		               *
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Records? was: Defense & Heisman Trophy
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:53:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Murasami Labs

Mark Mitchell wrote:

> amazing.  Ty Detmer and Andre Ware completely rewrote the NCAA
> record books for passing.

Yep, that they did. That they did it against the likes of SMU
and Utah St is not important.

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:47:31 GMT

In article <2907.382.uupcb@brent.uucp>, al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:

> 1)  Position, must be a RB, WR, or QB.

Actually, just RB.

> 2)  Hype

And play on a Top 20 team.

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John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat
From: chrisp@acpub.duke.edu (Christopher Pelham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:52:46 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I believe the score of that game was Clemson 34, FSU 21.
That was the second game of the season for FSU,
and their defense hadn't gelled yet.

While Bowden will be the first to tell you that you just can't gauge
how ready your team truly is until it steps on the field,
this year's defense seems more experienced and ready to go.

Also, I would note that with Charlie Ward's terrific running ability,
the 'Noles will have a much easier time preparing for the running QB's
in the ACC.

In the past, FSU has tended to give up a lot of yardage to option teams.
But now their linebackers are so quick and their lateral pursuit so good,
that it is hard to turn the corner on FSU.

For an FSU fan (who went to Duke) I really respect ACC football,
but I think it's going to take big turnovers to knock off the 'Noles this year.
Which maybe State, Clemson or Tech could create.
But I don't think any other ACC team has the speed at skill positions
to break enough big plays offensively to stay with FSU.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:39:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Sep1.003809.12848@rhrk.uni-kl.de> CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.) writes:
>I was just curious how many other people out there are as tired of the UT
>attitude that is out there this year?

Indeed.  This year, the attitudes of the fans from the University of
Tampa are just awful.   :-)

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^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
^  Electro-Optics and Physical Sciences Laboratory                    ^
^  Atlanta, Georgia                                                   ^
^  30332             Even if it isn't true, it makes a great story.   ^ 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu 
Subject: The vote of Ivan Maisel of the Dallas Morning News
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:02:00 GMT

Mr. Ivan Maisel of the Dallas Morning News is one of the voters of the
weekly AP poll. His votes were listed in the sports section of yesterday's
Dallas Morning News. Surprisingly enough, he ranked Forida State as 
#10, Michigan #13, Alabama #4, and Memphis State #19!

I am curious to know if such a vote is considered to be normal? Or how
far can one go without being warned for unreasonable rankings?
Listed below is a complete top 25 ranking by Mr. Maisel, and I computed
the absolute and average error of his rankings:

Team        	Mr. Maisel's Rk.          AP Rk.        Absolute Error
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Miami           	1                   1                 0
Washington      	2                   2                 0
ND                      3                   3                 0
Alabama                 4                   9                 5
Penn State              5                   8                 3
Clemson                 6                   13                7
Florida                 7                   6                 1
Colorado                8                   12                4
Syracuse                9                   10                1
Florida State           10                  4                 6
Texas A&M               11                  7                 4
Nebraska                12                  11                1
Michigan                13                  5                 8
Stanford                14                  20                6
Cal                     15                  19                4
Miss State              16                  21                5
Georgia			17                  14                3
Tulsa                   18                  34                16
Memphis State           19                  37                18
UCLA                    20                  16                4
N. Carolina State       21                  18                3
Texas Tech              22                  30                8
Virginai                23                  25                2
Georgia Tech            24                  24                0
Boston College          25                  41                16
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The average error is 125/25=5. In other words, in a average sense, he missed
up a tea'sm ranking by 5 places. Wow, no wonder we have been having co-champions
every year!

What do you think, is it supposed to be something like this?

David
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Past MNC's?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9208242224.AA02016@dseg.ti.com>, noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes...
#Does anybody have on file a list of all the national championship teams?
#If so, I'd love to see it posted.

While I don't have a list of national championship teams, I have lists of
many other things.  I am in the process of making these available via
anonymous ftp (more information on the location when that is set up).  For
the time being, if you need this sort of file, send email to me.  At the
moment I have all the bowl scores, the '92 schedules by week, winning and
losing streaks, and some other things.  If what you want is not listed here,
I may have it or be able to find it in one of my books.  If there is enough
interest, I'll continue to create files such as these.

Mark Mitchell does have the file you are looking for, perhaps he will lower
himself enough to post such information for you.

#How far back do the AP and UPI polls go?  What was done before then?

AP was started in 1936, UP(I) in 1950 (went ``International'' in 1958).
Before these two, there were several systems that ranked teams:

Dickinson System:  mathematical point system (like NYT) (1924-1940)
Dunkel Index:  power index (like Sagarin's) (1929-present)
Williamson System:  power rating (1932-1963)
Litkenhous System:  difference-by-score formula (1934-1972)
Helms Athletic Foundation:  selected by committee (1942-1982, 1883-1941 were
                                                   researched and selected
                                                   by an individual through
                                                   historical records)
Football Writers Association of America:  poll (1954-present)
National Football Foundation:  poll? (1959-present)

Actually, there have been 23 ways of ranking teams, I have listed 11, add to 
that such modern polls as the USAToday/CNN and TSN, and you get 13.  Maybe 
someone else can add a few more.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Walsh falls from pedestal
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:27:25 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <JEFF.92Aug31074914@neuron.cs.tamu.edu>, jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu
(Jeff Goldberg) says:
>
>Paragraph appearing in todays Houston Chronicle (8/31/92):
>
>  "It didn't take long for Stanford coach Bill Walsh to fall off his
>pedestal in the Bay Area.
>   After Stanford lost 10-7 to Texas A&M on Wednesday, Mark Soltau's lead
>paragraph in the San Francisco Examiner read:
>'Uh-oh.  So maybe Bill Walsh isn't such a genius after all.' "

     Sheesh.  I guess he was supposed to go undefeated..?  He's lost ONE game
against a Top 10 opponent by one field goal (which was about exactly what
everyone thought would happen, judging by the Vegas spread of 3 1/2)... I mean,
don't get me wrong, I was really disappointed that Stanford lost the game,
but you're going to give yourself some monster ulcers if you freak out EVERY
time your team doesn't pull off the upset.  Trust me, in the Bay Area we're
still pleased as punch to have Bill in headsets...

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BIG EAST, Weekly Preview for 9-5-92
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Sep3.195932.638@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Last year, Kent State University requested the media to refer to the school as 
>either "Kent" or "Kent State University" but not as merely "Kent State."  I 
>think that they are trying to distance themselves from the ugliness of the 
>shootings in the sixties.

Not that this has anything to do with football...

...But didn't that happen in '71 or '72?

(Its really just a trick to get the oldsters here to reveal their ages)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu