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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: follow-up to my posting on misc.jobs.*
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:48:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Oct14.171151.13480@ntmtv> wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts) writes:
->In article <2ADB541A.9164@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
->>Just to tell this group I still have lots of supporters.
->
->Yes, Shannon I'm sure that you do have lots of supporters. I'm sure
->that both the American Nazi Party and the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan
->support your position.  I'm sure that the Aryan Nation supports
->your position. I'm sure you have a lot in common with your allies.
->Let me tell you that as an American who fights every day to lessen
->racism and discrimination in this country, and it's a long up hill
->struggle, your tactics sicken me. They are the same tactics that
->McArthy used in the fifty against "communists". They were against the
->principles that america was founded on then and they are against them
->today. If you wish to practice these tactics I suggest you return to
->the country you claim to love so much and sign up for Deng's secret
->police. In any case if you truly love your country and want it to
->thrive, and believe in its government, as you claim to, you stay there
->and work to improve the country. You are not even willing to do your
->self what you are willing to force others to do. Show some courage and
->give me your employers address so I can inform them exactly what their
->employee is doing with their resources. The price of liberty is
->eternal vigilance, and we mean to keep ours in this country, if you
->don't like it GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!
                `````````````````
This is the same line used over and over by some white racist toward
people of other races.  As much as I don't like what Shannon is doing
in misc.jobs.*, it's sickening to hear someone saying that.  Would
you tell McCarthy and all his supporters (who might even include some
of your ancestors if they were here at the time, or your friends's)
to get the fuck out?  Or you would tell them to do that ONLY if they
are Chinese/Chinese AMERICANS?

->Like I said before, there is a good possibility that this "support" is
->coming from a white racist. Maybe a racist group will even fund your
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~
->activities if you look around long enough.
->
->No Justice no peace,
->		      Warren Watts

I just smell another one here.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27925 talk.politics.china:1933
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:42:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct14.191909.7297@news2.cis.umn.edu> rochen@ee.umn.edu (Grad Student Rong Chen) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct4.185301.2374@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes
 >
 >>  The question is:
 >>    Do they hate their U.S. visa (F1, J1, or whatever) that millions
 >>    of people are dreaming for but are refused by U.S. consulates,
 >>    embassies?
 >
 >This is such a typical line of thinking I think a lot of people would come 
 >up with.
 >
 >I resent the idea of getting a green card through the bill because it displays
 >the sheer hypocricy of those who claim they need protection.Deep down everyone
 >of them knows that the possibility of being persecuted is not even a concern.

Just wonder how do you know "everyone". As far as I know, you did not
ask me. I guess, at least, there is one exception.
Most people that I know, including those who come before/after 6.4 have
deep fear towards our beloved government. People will be safe if he/she
shut his/her mouth after they go back provided CCP will not start any
anti-interlectual movement. On the other hand, I am not trying to
threaten you, regardless of his/her position once he/she is identified
to be oversea during 6.4, few can escape from the punishment once
anti-interlectual movement starts. This is not speculation. It's
history. Unfortunately, CCP did this and CCP has not been changed
dramatically enough to make same thing happens less likely. My friend,
if you are not blind you should see what I said was really possible.

Don't you remember the philosophy, "Just because it is not the time,
we don't count. When it arrives, we surely count.", and,
"Account everything after fall". It is sad for me to remind you
that this is the philosophy when CCP delt with 89 demo-movement.
It surely will use it again. It is so sure that even my parents
warned us "DO NOT PARTICIPATE ANY MOVEMENT."

I will be terribly glad if you can somehow eliminate the fear that
we have. By, then I can go home enjoy my teaching, enjoy my life.

 >It is a moral issue not to use the June 4th incident and what happened after it
 >to achieve any gain that is not intended for the commonwealth of all people in
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
Just wonder if "all people" includes Li, Peng or not. I guess you mean
majority.

 >China.
 >

Just curious: If S1216 is to protect students from other country
what will be your reaction?

CCP has taught us a lot. Sounds just lack one important thing--LOVE.

Take it easy, my friend.


Y.Duan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:45:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.005150.945@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>In <BvtFDo.F1z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>                ......
>
>>Where are the "CSS" in Japan NOW when Japanese Emperor visits China without 
>>saying a word of sorry about what Japan did to China in World War II?
>>While CSS in the U.S., Canada, Australia sent portest letter to Japanese Gov't.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>               ......
>
>>Bo Xiong in Chicago
>
>No comment on other stuffs, but the above argument looks like Qiang2 Ci2
>Duo2 Li3. Where were the CSS in US NOW when Bush announced to sell 150 F-16
>to Taiwan? Do they(or we) say a word about it? They(or we) made a lot of

We must have been sleeping those days. 
We know when it is the right time to take a "nap."

>noise in the US against China(or CG if you insist). Have they(or we) said
>anything against the interest of US? Sending a protest letter to Japanese
>government is nothing because they(or we) do not live in Japan.
>
>Please do not be too harsh to others. I believe surviving in Japan is much
>harder than in the US, an immigrant country. Doing sth against Japan in
>Japan requires more guts than doing sth against US in the US.

One thing I feel weired is well known on our campus now. Two days ago,
on the first page of the "Daily," a piece of most startling news seized
everyone's attention:"Chinese students afraid imprisonment if return."  
This title sounds OK. But when you look into it, you will find that only
one side of the story was told to justify the Protection Bill. I am still
wondering whether this is a part of the campaign to FORCE Bush to sign it.
The recent efforts are to CREATE affections on American public in media.

After this incident, we were asked by many friends(Americans, Japaneses, 
Chinese from Taiwan) and American students. Many chineses found that the 
report was at least dishonest to some degree. What should we say
when asked? If we don't tell the whole story and thus no indication for the 
opposite opinion from the one I mentioned, and if someday American people
knew the real intention behind, we CSSs would be supposed liars. The once
diminished image for the Chinaman that was nasty, dubious, clumsy, 
shameless and dishonest might be revived in America.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:25:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uxa.Bw0oAB.2In
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Oct12.154534.4580@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>
......

>Actually, quite a lot of the simplications are already in the Cao3 Shu1.
>For example, the char [x that Dave particularly cited as an example is
>in use in Cao Shu long before the formal simplification occurs. (I think
>I have seen the simplified char love in CaoShu too.) I always have a 
>liberal view on this issue:
>
>*  (written) language is always in an evolution process: many ancient
>   char stops being used (i.e., dead) while new ones are being created
>   because of new needs. These things happen even without the simplification.
>   The simplification is just a formalization process, which at least
>   serves the function of standardization.
>
The simplified char was started when I was in elementary school, and I
was very excited about that as I could spend less time in practicing
calliograph (Da Kai and Xiao Kai). Yet the more mature people complain
that the simplified char deosn't have style.

>*  One can learn the written chinese either from the original form or the
>   simplified form, and it's not much a burden to learn the other form
>   once you master either one. So, I never understand why some people are
>   so fuss about it.
>
This is more a political issue than a culture one. When I came to USA
about 10 years ago, one of the most challenging question for the Chinese
here was why simplified char was used in mainland. Yet the undertone is
that CCP has distroyed traditional chinese culture and etc. etc.. Now,
the official KMT doesn't pay too much to those trival things any more
while the old habit is hard to die away. And the debate poped off every
once in a while. 

Tingli Pan

>Steven
>------
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:43:01 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <92286.014434WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  
>>   Please be reminded
>>   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government
>>   when they were at colleges in China.
>>
>    GUESS WHERE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO SPONSOR THESE STUDENTS
> FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION???

  No need to guess. From Chinese people, right? 
  So, those students owe Chinese people, OK?
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A question to ROC vs PRC
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:46:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <EZP7BSL@gwdu03.gwdg.de> xpei@gwdgv1.gwdg.de writes:
>What will be consequences, if both KMT and CCP could develop 
>both in the mainland and Taiwan island, and would have a peaceful 
>competition in obtaining supports to build a government. 
>
The news report says that at the end of the year, it is going
to be 7 billion, or so, Taiwanese business invested on mainland.

In a long run, if it is more open, the Taiwan experience will
be a lesson to all officials who want to learn to make more $$$$$.
The common people will try to move to Guangdong and Fujian to
find a job in Taiwanese companies that pay more salary.

A peaceful revolution is going on from sounth to Yangtze River.
When this trend moves up to Yellow River, the Dong-lai Zi Qi
will fade RED SUN away in the Asia.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen)
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:48:53 GMT

In article <Bw2oGv.E6L@news.iastate.edu> xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen) writes:
>In article <92287.004252LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>For GM MarsterCard: 1-800-8GM-CARD;
>>For GE Reward CARD: 1-800-GE-Reward.
>>I got an AT&T Universal Visa in 1990, and is lifetime membership free.
>>Lynn
>	The GM Card Customer Center number is 1-800-947-1000. The bank that
>actually issues the Card is the Household Bank, Salinas, CA 93912-0083.
>Just FYI.
	I received another phone number for the GM Card today:
	1-800-947-3300(preapproved application)




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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:42:12 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <ld67gmINNfpc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>According to the late reports:
>
>ROC GNP:10000 U$      P'ROC GNP 400 U$
>Foreign exchange reserve:
>ROC: 90 B U$	 P'ROC: 40 B U$
>
>(any correction?)

This might not be a correction. It is from Fortune.
 
GNP of Taiwan is 6600 U$,  PROC GNP 2000U$ (based on purchase power)
I don't have it with me, those are just from my memory.
>
>Chinese people are great, if the one drops P pre-fix.
>Then China has the world number foreign exchange reserve.
>Just using the interest of those money will be more than
>enough to save Chinese children for education.
>
BTW, why not the other one put on a P pre-fix? 

Tingli Pan
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: 70,000 People Should Sue Shanoon Yeh, Seriously
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:09:07 GMT


The following are copied from misc.jobs.contract. I seriously
believe Shanoon Yeh has gone too far. I believe he is guilty
of promoting discrimination and hatred. Please sue him. We
should let his company go bankruptcy now.

The following is long.


From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!yeh Wed Oct 14 13:50:37 EST 1992
Article: 1423 of misc.jobs.contract
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: An open letter to the US employers
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:14:44 GMT

Dear Employers in the US:

Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.

I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
other US legislators.  Thank you.

Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
Irvine, California

PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice.


From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!messina Wed Oct 14 13:52:33 EST 1992
Article: 1431 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the US employers
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:24:14 GMT


Shannon Yeh writes:

> Dear Employers in the US:
>
> Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards
> (i.e.refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.
> Those refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared
> that they faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone
> knows how dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China
> these days.I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those
> refugees when they compete your comany's open position with other
> non-refugee candidates.  Your cooperation will recover the damage made
> by those refugees, George Bush and other US legislators.  Thank you.

This must clearly be the most disgusting post I have seen in years on
USENET.  People who have come to these shores seeking to improve their
lives like millions of immigrants before them are now being called
people of no morality for that very reason - that they put their
right to pursue happiness above the duty to remain loyal to the regime
that enslaved them for generations.  People do not *belong* to anyone
here, Mr. Yeh. Your calling upon employers to deny the employment to
your fellow countrymen because of their political beliefs is asking
them to commit *crime*, Mr. Yeh, but I wouldn't really expect you to
understand it - obviously the American ideals are foreign to you.
Above all your hatred and envy for other people who are trying to live
their lives in a way that does not agree with your beliefs is
repulsive.

When I read the salutation in your post, Mr. Yeh, I remember reading
letters written during the second world war by neighbors of Jews,
letters in which they denounced them to the secret police.  I remember
the line those letters started with - "Dear Geheime Staat Polizei".

You are a contemptible little man, Mr. Yeh, and thank you for exposing
yourself as such.


Tony Porczyk



From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!uunet!weyrich!orville Wed Oct 14 13:53:38 EST 1992
Article: 1440 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the US employers
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:17:07 GMT

In article <2AD62E84.13848@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>Dear Employers in the US:
>
>Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
>refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
>refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
>faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
>dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.

I doubt that the danger is in the transportation. 
I have an in-law in S.E. Asia that died from surgery to remove a fish-bone 
from his throat -- I have no reason to beleve that the "doctors" educated 
in Bei Jing are any less competent at that particular form of murder than 
those educated in Ha Noi.

>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
>other US legislators.  Thank you.

What TV were you watching while Hollywood faked all those scenes of "Immoral
Chinese Liars" being gunned down in Tienamin Square? 

>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>Irvine, California

I urge you to re-patriate yourself -- the U.S. will not attempt to stop you.

>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice.

I don't doubt that you are not a student. Why are you in this country?

orville

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From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!garnet.berkeley.edu!jtrsmith Wed Oct 14 13:56:05 EST 1992
Article: 1441 of misc.jobs.contract
From: jtrsmith@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Date: 12 Oct 1992 07:07:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

To: yeh@netix.com
Subject: Re: An open letter to the US employers
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <2AD62E84.13848@news.service.uci.edu> you write:
>Dear Employers in the US:
>
>Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
>refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
>refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
>faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
>dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.
>
>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
>other US legislators.  Thank you.
>
>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>Irvine, California
>
>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice.

Mr. Yeh,

Your letter asking employers not to hire your countrymen 
based on political view and national origin in the selection 
of employees is against equal opportunity policies and is prohibited
by law.

Your letter may hurt many people with discrimination.

I would like to ask you to make an apology to this newsgroup.

John TR Smith


From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!yeh Wed Oct 14 13:57:17 EST 1992
Article: 1442 of misc.jobs.contract
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:14:13 GMT

I apologize for posting my job-related, political-like article to this group,
if readers feel that my message should be posted to other groups.  But I am
NOT going to apologize for the content of my articel, because my opinion
was not formed within one night or two nights.  I have been spending years
to watch those students' behave, and I decided to hate them--even someone puts
knife on my neck, my view still cannot be changed.

Mr. Smith, I understand that I am posing hart time on my countrymen, but if
those countrymen sell my home country and my other countrymen, the only I can
do is to fight with them to the very end.

Also, there is a frequently asked question, which is "why do you stay in this
contry?".  My answer is: If I cannot stay here until I agree to sell my 
country, I will leave.  Otherwise, I will keep looking for a place where
my expertise can be used.  Even George Bush said during last night's debate
that he did not like those who "publically demonstrate to against their
home country in a foreign territory".

My final words on the subject issue is:
	Let's forget those political *lisms (capitalism, communism)!
	If people are not loyal to their home country, 	they will not 
	be loyal to their new country, either.

In other words, I (shannon Yeh) am loyal to my home country, and I will be
loyal to my new country if I decide to change my citizenship.  (but it is
always hard for a responsible man to make such decision.)

Apologetically,

shannon
-------


From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!news.oc.com!mercury.unt.edu!vaxb.acs.unt.edu!wday Wed Oct 14 13:58:01 EST 1992
Article: 1447 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract