From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Israel and Kuwait in the Spotlight
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<EGGERTJ.92Sep9105159@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Sep10.183041.26418@discus.technion.ac.il>
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:15:31

In article <1992Sep10.183041.26418@discus.technion.ac.il> davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami) writes:
>   In article <EGGERTJ.92Sep9105159@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>   >Jake, you know as well as I that the Arab political are not allowed to
>   >question the Zionist nature of the State of Israel.  Thus for example
>   >if in the future the Jews become the minority in Israel (as is the
>   >fear of many Kachists), the Arab parties would not legally be able to
>   >exert their otherwise normal democratic right to take over the
>   >government.  Thus your claim that Arab Israelis are allowed to vote
>   >for political leaders who represent their interests is false.
>
>   As noone will let an American run for president with his main goal
>   of dismantling the Consititution and the Union.
>   You expect Israeli democracy to follow the Weimar republic in its way
>   to oblivion. Israelis will not be so stupid!

Falsaroni.  It is indeed illegal in the US to advocate the violent
overthrow of our government.  But it is not at all illegal to advocate
the amendment or replacement of the constitution.  We just got a new
amendment recently, didn't you notice?

On the other hand, it _is_ illegal in Israel to form a political party
which has a plank to remove the Zionist nature of the government.
This would be possible by simple constitutional amendment, I believe.

>   Jake was talking about the Israeli citizens not the West Bank. since
>   the west bank is not part of Israel and its destiny is not clear yet
>   one cannot expect Israel to allow the Arabs right in a state that they
>   try to dismantle in fervor. The Arabs of Jerusalem got full rights when
>   Israel annexed Jerusalem.

I know what Jake was talking about.  I was merely showing that he was
not correct, not either in fact nor in spirit.  You shouldn't pretend
that the East Jerusalem Arabs got full rights after annexation.  They
don't have them now.  Look at this:

Jews get to advocate Jewish hegemony in Israel.
Arabs don't even get to advocate the breakdown of Jewish hegemony in
Israel.  They certainly don't get to advocate Arab hegemony in Israel.

You call that full rights?

>   >What is your opinion of the recent elections in Lebanon and Yemen?
>
>   Do you mean those that were boycotted by all the Christians and held
>   under the rifles and tanks of Assad?

One should also point out that the Israeli-dominated Southern Lebanese
Army enforced an election boycott in their areas.  Funny that a
democratic Israel would be against democracy.

>   ...
>   I challenge you to show any Jewish provocation that preceded the 1929 
>   riots and slaughter of the Jews. Sure, when the going gets tough -
>   retaliations start.

This has been discussed previously in t.p.m.  As I remember, there
were indeed Jewish provocations before the 1929 riots.  The riots
were, however, an overheated reaction, fueled by the Arab leadership
more than the Jewish misdeeds.

--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast