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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams books in print
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:25:05 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) writes:

>Adams, Douglas. Douglas Adams. 09/1986. Paper. $15.80. (ISBN
>     0-671-91255-0). Pocket Books.

What's that supposed to be? An autobiography, or what?


May the Cool Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: gjh34403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gregg J. Hlavacek)
Subject: Re: NAME
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:16:45 GMT

funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:

>In article <BxH1FM.4F7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kmurphy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kevin Murphy) writes:
>>In article <1dlctaINNl4k@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> R.Tait@bnr.co.uk writes:
>>>I thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone.
>>>
>>got the name MADONNA, please post !!

>Double correction, I believe it is in fact Madonna Veronica Louise Ciccone.

>-- 
Double double correction..  She *was* named Madonna Louise Ciccone at birth.
Veronica, I believe, is her confirmation name, following the Catholic tradition,
and we all know what a good Catholic Madonna is. :-)

so her *real* name is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone.  

Gregg
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jaw@cs.arizona.edu (Jim Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:39:34 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov4.222804.60404@cc.usu.edu> kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>I cannot believe that both of you are supporting Madonna's new book.  It makes
>me sick to think that that type of pronography is available to anyone who wants
>it.  I define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman that is meant
>to sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex.  I don't care if Madonna has
>sexual desires and acts but I don't want her to share them with the rest of the
>world.  It only makes it more  difficult to teach children the proper morals
>they need.  The only reason why you both support it is because you are avid
>readers of pornographic material, otherwise, how could you compare the pictures
>with Penthouse and Playboy?  Shame on you both.> 

  I cannot believe that <insert fact of choice>.
  It makes me sick to think.
  That type of pronography is available to anyone who wants it.
  I define pornography.
  Any picture of a nude man or woman is meant to sexually arouse.
  I don't care if Madonna has sexual desires.
  I don't want her to share.
  It only makes it more difficult to teach children.
  ...the proper morals they need... (defined by? oh! you, of course)
  The only reason you both support it is <insert judgemental opinion here>.
  You are avid readers of pornographic material.
  Shame on you both. 

Tsk.  Tsk.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: summerem@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Erick M. Summers)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.222804.60404@cc.usu.edu> kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>  I define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman that is meant
>to sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex. 
>  It only makes it more  difficult to teach children the proper morals
>they need.  The only reason why you both support it is because you are avid
>readers of pornographic material, otherwise, how could you compare the pictures
>with Penthouse and Playboy?  Shame on you both.> 

You define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman having anything
to do with sex.  But then you don't consider Penthouse, Playboy, etc. as
pornographic.  How is this possible?  I think you are contradicting yourself
here.

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From: kmurphy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kevin Murphy)
Subject: Re: NAME
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:04:34 GMT

In article <1dlctaINNl4k@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> R.Tait@bnr.co.uk writes:
>I thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone.
>


Correction, it's Veronica Louise Ciccone.  If anyone knows where she
got the name MADONNA, please post !!
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From: IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Fans,Romans, and mediocre persona
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:41:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


   Another blow has been rendered against the open minded person. Just because
we happen to like a Madonna we are being belittled and stupidified. You can
insult our point of view, but don't insult our inteligence.You have the right
to dissagree and disagree to our face, but all I ask is that you do it politly
and inteligently.
     Does anyone agree or should I blow it out my ear.  It could just be me,
but I think insulting peoples intellegence when you don't agree with them is
- as Captain Hook would say- not good form.
PCN
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Subject: Re: GETTING HER BOOK CHEAP $$$
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:40:13 GMT

funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:
>shared among a lot of people, why didn't you just borrow it from
>the public library for free?

No libraries in Nova Scotia have the book as far as I know.

It's really banned and taboo here.  Not many people have it or have
seen it.  Everybody knows about it, though.

Wish it was at the libray! ......

 - Kevin


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Nov3.145421.11461@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<25620@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <TORKEL.92Nov3203141@bast.sics.se>
	<s1070619.721302800@giaeb>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:03:27 GMT

In article <s1070619.721302800@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
 (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:

   >"Creeps" is usually a word reserved for different, unusual, or offensively
   >different people... I would have thought it more apt to call your beloved
   >madonna a creep... not us.

  Yes? To my mind, it smacks of considerable weirdness to state "I
hate Madonna!" and go on to spew anger and hatred on a woman who
happens to be a successful pop singer.  Many of these Madonna bashers
seem to be genuinely disturbed people, with a pathological hatred of
women in general, or perhaps of women who put themselves forward or are
sexually explicit in their actions or statements.

  Madonna, surely, is a pop singer who has done some good stuff, and
who knows how to handle herself and her business. There are fanatical
fans: this is a well-known phenomenon, and a pretty harmless one.
There are people who spew spluttering hatred of Madonna: this is not
so common, historically speaking, and I think it's not unreasonable to
suspect that the emergence of these people in connection with Madonna
is a "flushing out" of people who are psychologically disturbed.
From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:04:09 GMT
Organization: Badges . . . We don't need no stinking badges.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockheedmac6.larc.nasa.gov

> J.F.KENNEDY + MARELYN MONROE = TRUE
>MARELYN MONROE = MADONNA
>MADONNA + BILL CLINTON = TRUE

Marelyn Monroe = Madonna????

Wrong . . . Try again.

________________________________________________        
        If we were not crazy, we would go insane.
        If we could not laugh, we would go insane!     J. Buffett
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: I wanna do her over...
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:58:05 GMT


>One point I'd like to clear out (though it may be my position to do so), 
>your best friends are more caring, etc  because they ARE individuals who are
>more caring, etc.  Not because they are lesbians.  They are nice people who
>happen to be ... lesbians.

Tho' I have no proof, I think you are incorrect.  It is a tough thing for people
who KNOW they will be perceived as "different", even scoffed by society, to
accept their own differences as being "O.K."  People who can be that comfortable
with themselves tend to be equally as comfortable with other people, even 
people who are intolerant of them.  This leads to a more "open" attitude, and
the ability to care about their fellow humans, and to SHOW it.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT)
Subject: Re: NAME
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:33:29 GMT

kmurphy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kevin Murphy) writes:

>In article <1dlctaINNl4k@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> R.Tait@bnr.co.uk writes:
>>I thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone.
>>


>Correction, it's Veronica Louise Ciccone.  If anyone knows where she
>got the name MADONNA, please post !!

    Probably looked for the name that *LEAST* represented her.
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: NAME
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:19:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics

In article   writes:
>+
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
>Message-ID: <UezKbdW00iUyM2NOJx@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Date: Sun,  8 Nov 1992 14:26:33 -0500 
>From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Subject: NAME
>Lines: 4
>
>   what is Madonna's FULL real name?
>
>EDDIE, a bitch...
>

Madonna Louise Ciccone (or Ciccione, I'm never sure).

-Jeremy Hall
-Penn State
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: adwright@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D. Wright)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Keywords: constipation, repression, sexual mysfunction
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:13:00 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.193003.60443@cc.usu.edu> kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <Bx93JE.28M@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, summerem@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Erick M. Summers) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.222804.60404@cc.usu.edu> kristinw@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>  I define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman that is meant
>>>to sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex. 
>>>  It only makes it more  difficult to teach children the proper morals
>>>they need.  The only reason why you both support it is because you are avid
>>>readers of pornographic material, otherwise, how could you compare the pictures
>>>with Penthouse and Playboy?  Shame on you both.> 
>> 
>> You define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman having anything
>> to do with sex.  But then you don't consider Penthouse, Playboy, etc. as
>> pornographic.  How is this possible?  I think you are contradicting yourself
>> here.
>
>I don't think so.  I said any picture of a man or woman that is meant to
>sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex.
>Am I to believe that subscribers to Playboy and Penthouse only read it for the
>articles????  Come on; wake up!!!  They get off on looking at the pictures!!!D> 

It amazes me almost to the point of self-shittage when "moral beings" such as
this one go spouting off about how obscene and evil and sinful and etc. sex is,
and enjoy sitting smugly upon their porcelain convenience condemning anyone who
indicates an interest in sex, and tries to impose guilt upon those who are
found to (oh my Gawd!) read, or heaven forbid look at, sexually explicit
material.  So fucking what if people get off on looking at the pictures in
Playboy and Penthouse?  The two magazines (and others) show pictures of
beautiful human beings in all their unabashed sexual glory.  People such as
the afforementioned and -quoted self-appointed moralist
would have you feel guilty about finding such images pleasing to the
eyes and libido, and would label you as "pervert" or "sick-an'-twisted-fuck"
when in fact they live in continual repressed constipated denial that they have
any sexuality within themselves at all, relegating the occasional boner or
erect nipple or moist crotch or unclean thought to their private sin heap.

As for Madonna, I admire her a lot and love the way she portrays sex as a
beautiful thing, an artform, as it should be.  And yes, I even like her music,
*and* her lyrics.  Call me a twisted fuck, but at least I'm not incontinent.

- Andy Wright

"I know what I like, and I like what I know"
				- Genesis
From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: morons.
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:05:22 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <BxInn6.AzG@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> hrdoucet@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Heloise Doucet) writes:
>
>I find that her music and lyrics often contradict her image. Therefore,
>it may be (IMHO) reasonable to presume that her image is constructed
>for maximum monetary profit and exposure.

I don't know if this is meant as a criticism or not of her for maximizing
monetary profit. If not there have been many posters that do criticise her
for monetary objectives. 

I wonder how many of those that do criticise her for such motives, also 
criticise corporate officers for also having monetary objectives as their
prime motivation.



>
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>		 hrdoucet@cgl.waterloo.edu ((H)eloise Doucet)
>	Computer Graphics Lab, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>At the age of 37, 
>She realized she would never,
>Drive through Paris,
>In a sports car,
>With the warm wind in her hair.		     - The Ballad of Lucy Jordan
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>
>
>
>


Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tji@clinet.fi (Tero Isoniemi)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: NAME
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:59:46 +0200
Organization: Clinet, Espoo, Finland.
NNTP-Posting-Host: clinet.fi

Her mother was called Madonna. That's where she got it.

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|  >>> Plah. I'll have to wait atleast 1 more week to get _Sex_. <<<  |
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: edward@twg.com (Edward C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Another Gif of Madonna from SEX (1/2)
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:52:17 GMT

In article <13437@glenn> glenn@Software.Mitel.COM (Glenn Thrower) writes:
>
>This is another picture of Madonna from the book SEX!

I guess the focus control on your scanner is broken, eh? ;-)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:53:04 GMT


>I cannot believe that both of you are supporting Madonna's new book.  It makes
>me sick to think that that type of pronography is available to anyone who wants
>it.  I define pornography as any picture of a nude man or woman that is meant
>to sexually arouse or has anything to do with sex.  I don't care if Madonna has
>sexual desires and acts but I don't want her to share them with the rest of the
>world.  It only makes it more  difficult to teach children the proper morals
>they need.  The only reason why you both support it is because you are avid
>readers of pornographic material, otherwise, how could you compare the pictures
>with Penthouse and Playboy?  Shame on you both.> 

I am pleased that you included your definition of pornography.  Fortunately,
not everyone defines pornography as you do.

...Personally, I find Playboy a rather tastefully done magazine.  The 
photography is artful, nothing crude or rude (my opinion, of course) about
the photographs, never any close-ups of female sexual organs... and more
often than not the photographs tend to "frame" the face of the woman...

But that is getting of the topic at hand, Madonna.  Again, I haven't seen
her book, but I can't imagine Madonna placing anything but (somewhat)
artistic nude photographs in her book.  To do anything else would possibly
turn off her fans, even anger them.

A rather unfortunate practice of the people in the U.S. (perhaps everywhere?)
is that the people who are satisfied or content keep their mouths clamped
shut...  People who are NOT satisfied speak up very loudly!!  This is why
it often seems (in politics and here on the internet) that negativism prevails.

I think there are probably quite a number of "readers" in this conference who
greatly appreciate Madonna for her entertainment value yet say nothing, while
everyone who dislikes her are hammering away in this conference...

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: carlson@horus.cs.odu.edu (Gary Scott Carlson)
Subject: Re: Well...*I* like Madonna
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
	<1992Oct28.183912.9322@math.utexas.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:42:30 GMT

   >Great, a newsgroup appears about Madonna, and everyone rags on her.
   >Well, I'll admit it, I *like* Madonna. I like her videos, I like her
   >music, and I even sometimes like the way she looks.  
   >
   Ditto for me. I signed up for this newsgroup because I am a fan. Hence, the
   name of the newsgroup...alt.FAN.madonna.  Non-fans should now go away.
					     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

gladly ........ bye

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jallen@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Re: gifs
Organization: MIT Athena
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:36:24 GMT
Nntppostinghost: athena.mit.edu

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>)
Subject: Re: Question on SEX
Organization: U de Sherbrooke -- LIIT adicts - ANS - Ascot Boyz - 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:48:05 GMT

Joseph.J.Marcheso.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (Joseph J. Marcheso Jr.) pretend que ==>
>Hi my (future) girlfriend is a big fan of Vanilla Ice (sp). I hear he
>appears in this book. What is the picture like? What is he doing? How
>"much" of him do you see? I'd appreciate your responses to these
>questions in helping me decide whether to get this book.
>Thanks a lot,
>Joe Marcheso

Humm!  Your future?  I hope she does not read this newsgroup...  So I didn't
read (is it the right verb for this book?) the book but they showed some of
the pictures at Musique-Plus (a t.v. channel in Quebec).  

Vanilla Ice was taking Madonna by the back and the picture was very colorfull.
So you don't see everything but they don't hide much too!!!

Bye.
-- 
Tourfman
========
	Vie:    Excellente source de angst
	Angst:  Excellente source d'inspiration
From: 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: GETTING HER BOOK CHEAP $$$
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:07:33 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

This may not pertain to all the readers because they may not have
the same situation available to them....

I go to university, and I live in a residence (300 +) which is
co - ed (male and female).  One dinnertime I was sitting around
the table with friends and we got talking about the Madonna Book.
I was the big week of the release and we all saw it on the news.
Everybody was eager to see it....

Then there was that damn price tag!!  That was all that was stopping
us from getting it -  MONEY !!!

The answer was so brilliant and simple we had the book by the next 
morning !!!   Read on :

Simply get 10 - 20 people together and POOL YOUR MONEY to buy one
copy of the book for all of you (and exclusive to the group).

We created the 'Madonna Exclusive Group' in our residence which 
consisted of 22 people each chipping in 3 dollars (T-H-R-E-E !!)
to buy the book.  We drew names from a hat to determine who saw
the book when.  We split up the week monday to friday with 5
people seeing it each day, and the book circulated all week.
At the end of the week the book was put in a location - which
was someone's room, and is available to all members to sign out
anytime.  Everybody saw the book.  Everybody is happy.
At the end of the school year we are drawing a name from a hat
to raffle the book to a winner in the group.

To pay off the book even more we offer hour-viewing-periods for
a dollar to outsiders of the group.  The book is nearly as if we
paid half price in the first place!!  The money from other people
viewing goes right back to the group members at the end of this
semester.

So do it!!  Solicit your officeplace or residence!!  SO EASY.
We did it in one night and had the book by noon the next day.


 (c) 1992  Madonna Exclusive Club    Acadia University.

   - Kevin



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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: SEX! and Madonna
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:03:54 GMT

In article <92311.110300IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO11216@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>     And I suppose you are now the judge of proper moral values?
>pcn

      No, because it happens that I'M the judge of proper moral
values. (Dial 1-800-mvalues.)

      It seems to me that Madonna's loudest critics have been
sucked into her brilliant marketing campaign to an even 
greater extent than her fans.  She was quoted in (one of the
three issues she was featured) of Vanity Fair as saying that
(paraphrasing here) she loves people who hate her, and she
most greatly fears public indifference. As for all this
duff about her negative influence on children, I'm pretty
darn sure that kids who have parents who denounce Madonna as
akin to Satan (not satin) are probably dying to get ahold of
this book.  And they'll probably go on to buy her albums and
rent her movies to piss their parents off.  And netters 10 years
from now will be having this same debate.

     My advice Madonna haters?  Ignore her and she'll go away.


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