HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: patl@golem.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0's C compiler ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:15:26 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

In article <1992Aug13.142923.4575@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim  
De Arras) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.042213.29139@dtint.uucp> nevin@dtint.dtint.com writes:
> > So, what's the REAL gnu version of the NeXT compiler?
> > 
> > Alright, you might find a couple of other differences between the
> > C compiler shipped in 3.0 and the latest GNU version, but I for
> > one have no idea of what they might be.  Anyone else care to
> > enlighten us?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Per GNU, (check the newsgroups!) all 2.x releases are beta, and not ready for  
> prime time!
> 
> Jim

While this is technically true, we have found the 2.2.2 release of GCC to be AT  
LEAST as reliable as the NeXTStep 3.0 cc.  GCC has an extensive set of beta  
testers and talented developers, and is generally quite robust.  The only  
serious problems are with ports to new architectures, and with experimental  
optimizations (e.g., "-funroll-loops").

Releases 1.9x from GNU were alpha releases of the GCC 2 compiler.  I do not  
know whether the 1.93 from "cc -version" under 3.0 is derived from this  
convention.

GCC 2.2.2 has minor fixes compared to GCC 2.2, which has major fixes compared  
to GCC 2.0.  Always get the latest version :-).

Here is my attempt to sketch the differences between the NeXT 3.0 cc and the  
current GCC.

Unlike GCC 2.2.2, NeXT cc has:

- New Objective-C keywords, like "@protocol" and "@class"
- "id" as a built-in type, not a "typedef void *"
- cpp modifications to support the "new and improved" header file structure,  
plus support for '#include "m68k/" "foo.h"' (for example)
- Precompiled headers
- "Literal NXConstant String Objects"; i.e., syntactic sugar for creating  
strings (This [finally] gives C a *real* string type, complete with fancy  
operators.  It should also facilitate the move to international character sets.   
Maybe.)
- More new Objective-C keywords, like "@public" and "@private"


Unlike NeXT cc, GCC 2.2.2 has:

- Computed gotos
- Arrays of labels
- Explicit initialization of array and structure elements; for example, "int  
a[6] = { [4] 30, [2] 20 };" is the same as "int a[6] = {0, 0, 20, 0, 30, 0};".   
"NXPoint p = { y: 2, x: 10};" will do the obvious.
- Case ranges, like "case 1 ... 40:"
- A somewhat better optimizer

NOTE: This information is based on the NS 3.0pr1 C compiler.  It is probably  
incomplete, and may well be inaccurate with respect to the shipped version of  
NS 3.0.

Mat Hostetter (mjhostet@athena.mit.edu) and I hacked up the GCC 2.2.2  
preprocessor to allow us to compile C programs under NS 3.0pr1.  We did not  
attempt to incorporate the new Objective-C keywords.  So we can currently  
compile C programs, but not Objective-C (some ObjC header files use the new  
keywords).

Perhaps GNU will incorporate the new ObjC features into GCC in the near future.   
Let us hope so.

- Pat
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Recommendation for scanner
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:
>Question about scanning:  I need to scan in a pre printed form, fill
>out the bits using something like Create, and then print it out on
>the pre printed form...has anyone figured out a way of getting this to
>work?  

>Until now I scan the form, use create, paste the tiff into a create 
>document (which never fits and alaways has to be scaled to A4 size)
>add what I want where I want, delete the background tiff, and print on
>the form....that always misaligns, either too high, low, left, or
>right...

>Help?

>Scott

How about dragging the tiff into Diagram(!), locking it (so it can't be 
selected) and putting textfields wherever you need them.  Fill out the
textfields however you want and print the sucker.  Next time you want
to fill out the form, just change the text.

Dave

-- 
David Basiji 
"C neophyte, Bioengineering Grad Student, Internet Personality"

email: basiji@u.washington.edu          
NeXTmail: basiji@larry.pathology.washington.edu

		"Whining is just anger coming out of a very small hole."
            --Stuart Smalley
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Scorefile archives?
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:02:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.155206.7475@news.media.mit.edu> pan@dearth.media.mit.edu  
(Howard Pan) writes:
> I'm interested in locating more Scorefiles to add to my collection. If  
> anyone knows of an archive or two that contains scorefiles, please let me  
> know via email. Thanks.

I don't much care for .snd files, but score files are
useful and fun.  There are a few on sonata/nova in: 

	pub/next/sounds/score

Feel free to submit more.

ab
From: mikhe@flab.fujitsu.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Can I print to an AppleTalk printer?
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:25:02 GMT

In article <lux.713840914@sol.UVic.CA> lux@sol.UVic.CA (Michael O'Henly)  
writes:
>   1.	Is there a practical (no $$$) way of instructing the NeXT to
>	print to the PostScript printer on the AppleTalk network?

You mentioned your NeXT will be hooked up to the GatorBox via ethernet. Great!  
All you have to do now is edit your printcap. Uncomment the Net Laserwiter  
entry in /etc/printcap. You probably need to modify this entry to work with  
your local situation, more information about the various flag settings can be  
found under 'printcap' in the UNIX manual pages (man printcap, or use  
Librarian).

Good Luck!

>	Michael.

		-Mike
--
Mike Henry                             mikhe@flab.fujitsu.co.jp        ///
Fujitsu Nakahara House West 8 #524     mikhe@cs.uoregon.edu           ///
6-7-1 Shimokodanaka, Nakahara          mikhe@ida.liu.se           \\\///
Kawasaki 221, JAPAN                                                \XX/
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT <=> Stylewriter  EPS are you there?
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University

I don't have one.
No one I know has one.
No one I know would ever buy one.

In any case, I'm not going to spend any time on third-party
printer drivers until 3.0 is out "for real."

					-=EPS=-
-- 
Even Apple's A/UX doesn't support the StyleWriter as a UNIX
output device.
From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Postscript Fonts --- which one to use for what?
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:36:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19837
Reply-To: enders@bolshoi.uucp

Ivo Welch writes
> Is there a small style guide as  to what to use  individual fonts  for? Now
> that I bought Illustrator, I  also received Garamond, Gill and Copperplate.
> In addition, I have  standard Times and Helvetica,  as well as a collection
> of PD fonts, including Hamburg and Thomas.
> 
> I  always used Times, since  I thought Helvetica was  harder  to read. But,
> there must be a better guide to font usage than that.
> 
> /ivo welch

     Who uses which font for what is a matter of individual preference.  Each
has it's place, but it's largely a matter of aesthetics.  For example, you
wouldn't necessarilly want to write a business letter or a resume' with
something like Zapf Chancery.  Then again, you wouldn't probably want to use
Helvetica for a wedding anouncement.  However many fonts work well in a lot
of different applications, and that's where individual preferences and
aesthetics come in.  You might want to check out a few books on typography for
more on this subject.

Todd          enders@bolshoi.uucp
              uunet!bolshoi!enders     NeXT Mail Accepted!!
From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: (?) Seeking *ANY* docs for Icon.app
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:01:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Orleans


so... the way i figure it, somebody has had to ask this question before.  
that being the case, if there are any previous references, i'd appreciate  
a pointer to them. otherwise, does anyone know of *any* documentation for  
Icon (i realize it's an unsupported App, so of course i'm speaking of  
un-NeXT-official docs).

ed murphy
emurphy@cs.uno.edu (NeXTmail)
From: wolpert@mars (Florian Wolpert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: TheBigMouth
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:45:43 GMT
Organization: PPG Hellige, Freiburg, GERMANY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
: Can someone tell me how to use TheBigMouth?  The copy I got contained no  
: README.:-(
Place TheBigMouth in your ~/Apps directory (/LocalApps also possible)
and start TheBigMouth. Then run the texteditor and type something, 
now select the text and look into your services-menu ... 
Don't be too disappointed about the results !

Flo.
--
Reply-To: wolpert%ppgfr.uucp@germany.eu.net
2i-d&s : wolpert%dandsnx.uucp@germany.eu.net (NeXTmail preferred)
Hellige : wolpert%ppgfr.uucp@germany.eu.net
uni-fr  : wolpert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
snail-mail to 2i Industrial Informatics, Haierweg 20e, D-7800 Freiburg
From: robg@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Rob Gerth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: What do we lose with NeXTStep 3.0?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: robg@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Aug18.193615.29921@cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
>In article <4634@news.duke.edu> kdb@work5 (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
>>  However, what will we lose when upgrading
>> to 3.0.  According to NeXT we will lost the DSP development tools, the music
>> kit, and maybe some other demos.

>You don't necessarily *lose* anything.  Things that are not part of the 3.0  
>release (e.g., Icon, DSP stuff) are -by default- deleted as part of the upgrade
>process.  However, it is very friendly about it, and you can search through the
>list of changes and tell it NOT to delete stuff.

Interesting. If I buy a NeXT *after* 3.0 ships can I downgrade to 2.0 to get
at this stuff? Or is this the advantage of being an early convert :-)
Rob
-- 
# internet:     robg@win.tue.nl         | Rob Gerth		              #
# EUT:		HG 8.85			| Department of Computing Science     #
# voice:	+31-(0)40-474389/4124	| Eindhoven University of Technology  #
# fax:		+31-(0)40-463992	| 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands  #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: zmonster@engin.umich.edu (Eric Hermanson)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:37:57 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug16.212601.12695@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.162759.9627@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes:
>> suggested list price of $xx.  The educational edition contains
>> 
>> from NeXTConnection and authorized NeXT re-sellers.  It has a
>> suggested retail price of $xx.
>
>It is extremely annoying that press releases posted to the NeXT groups have had  
>their price information removed.
>
>Who has implemented this practice and why?
>
>Press releases posted to other groups routinely include price information.
>
>Please stop this annoying practice.
>
     
t

My sentiments exactly.  What good does this do anyone?                    

Eric Hermanson


Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:18801 gnu.misc.discuss:2739
From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Do you want free objects from FSF?
Summary: Do you want free objects from FSF?
Keywords: gnu objective-c free fsf
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:20:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.Bt8A6G.JuI
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Would you like to see free objects, libraries, palettes, toolkits,
etc., from the Free Software Foundation?

My question springs from the following personal observations:

	- GNU and the FSF have given the world some superb code
	  that is freely distributable
	- good free software begets more free software
	- Objective-C has not taken the world by storm outside
	  the NeXT community, but people are curious
	- the small size of the NeXT marketplace means that
	  prices for commercial objects tend to be high
	- friends have talked about this for years
	- NeXT obviously cares, if they want an Object Catalog
	- I've seen very big companies admire NeXTstep, and then
	  dismiss it because it appears to sit in a niche market
	- NeXT's many toolkits are proof that creative minds
	  can do amazing things, but we, the consumers, have just
	  not done enough producing (except for a few isolated
	  geniuses and workaholics the net knows well), at least
	  not enough to impress those outside the NeXT community

I asked Richard Stallman what he thought.  He said that this (free
objects) is the purpose of libg++.  He said that the suggested Free
Object Foundation, if you will, would never happen unless I, or
another, or many others, actually took charge and did the work.  He
also said that if we, the community, did make it happen, the FSF would
be happy to include our works in its offerings.

What do you, the community, think?
Are commercial developers threatened by free software?
What do our most successful NeXTstep developers think?
Can we write software at least as good as GNU's, or NeXT's?
Would this develop enough momentum to make a difference?
Are current commercial offerings and the object catalog enough?
Would we model objects on Smalltalk?
Would we reinvent the Appkit?  Do we only complement the Appkit?
Can we create objects that don't depend on each other too much?

I think we can appreciate what a free object world might be like, with
its advantages and drawbacks, if we can imagine it is 1989 again, and
we see NeXTstep's source code on every NeXT computer (rms would
probably say, "any computer.")

I'm not suggesting NeXT release their treasure--it would be financial
and ideological suicide--but I am asking the community, "What are we
adding to the value NeXT provides us?  Will it be enough?  Could it
possibly be that we, or NeXT, want NeXT to be the only true provider?
If so, what have we learned?  If not, when will we act?"

-- 
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 work, (617) 547-5247 home   Standard Disclaimers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Does Type1 NeXT == Type1 Mac??
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.215211.757@net23.uucp> coke%net23@spectrx.saigon.com  
(Brian Policky) writes:
> Does Adobe mind if fonts are converted over to the NeXT with something  
> like Metamorphasis? (Legally speaking)

When we spoke to Adobe about using MetroTools to convert fonts for use on  
the NeXT they said there was no problem, as long as the fonts were used on  
a single machine. They didn't seem to care *which* machine.

Gordon
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Van Huizen           vox: 619.488.9411  fax: 619.488.3045
Metrosoft                   gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
----------------------------------------------------------------
Lines: 67
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:29:12 MDT
From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: New versions of PillBottle, Columns, and PacMan
Keywords: Games, PillBottle, Columns, PacMan, NeXT



Hello to all of you who like to play games on the NeXT!

I have recently placed updated versions of my games in
the submissions directories of nova.cc.purdue.edu and
cs.orst.edu.  Here's a brief description of the changes
to all three (PacMan, Columns, and PillBottle).

If you are a registered user of Columns or PillBottle,
you may request the source code for either one.  If you
requested source already, but have not yet received it,
please send me another e-mail message.  My file that
was tracking who to send the sources to got blasted by
a stupid HPUX trick, and so I need to know where to
send the files!  I will be sending the source as NeXTmail.

As always, direct any questions to me at yackd@wombat.ee.byu.edu.

-----------------------------------------------------------

PacMan:

Bug fix:  The high score system shouldn't crash the game
	anymore when given long names.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Columns:

The same as in PacMan.

-----------------------------------------------------------

PillBottle:

Well, I am finally at a release level that merits
a 1.0.  The graphics are now 2X faster, which means
that although the game runs at the same speed, it
doesn't suck up _all_ your CPU resources on the
advanced levels.  The disadvantage to the new drawing
method is that it's RAM-hungry.  (It wants about
2-3 M on a color system for all the buffers.)  There's
also a _real_ bottle for you to play in!

-----------------------------------------------------------

The file names are, specifically:

Columns2.1.app.tar.Z
PacMan1.2.tar.Z
PillBottle1.0.app.tar.Z

and they are located in /pub/next/submissions on both
nova( or sonata).cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu.


Well, try out the new versions and let me know what you think
of them.  I've you've already requested a feature, and it
hasn't shown up yet, don't panic!  I'm working as fast as I
can of these, but there's only so much spare time in the day!

Later,
-Don Yacktman
yackd@wombat.ee.byu.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Do you want free objects from FSF?
Keywords: gnu objective-c free fsf
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:27:43 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <Bt8A6G.JuI@world.std.com> gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth) writes:
> Would you like to see free objects, libraries, palettes, toolkits,
> etc., from the Free Software Foundation?

Its a great idea that would benefit the whole community, including
app developers and NeXT Inc.  There is a an unsatisfied precondition though.
The Free Object Foundation needs a FSF Objective C runtime for gcc.
Is anyone working on one?
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: petes@kaila.ifsm.umbc.edu (Peter C. Schuyler)
Subject: Postscript Fonts
Reply-To: petes@umbc3.umbc.edu
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:58:21 GMT

I thought that New Century Schoolbook was a built in postscript font, but I  
don't have that for my Next.


--

Peter C. Schuyler
University of Maryland Baltimore County
petes@kaila.ifsm.umbc.edu (NeXT)
PH# (410) 455-2648 FAX# (410) 455-1073
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pan@dearth.media.mit.edu (Howard Pan)
Subject: Scorefile archives?
Reply-To: pan@athena.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:52:06 GMT

Hi,

I'm interested in locating more Scorefiles to add to my collection. If  
anyone knows of an archive or two that contains scorefiles, please let me  
know via email. Thanks.

--


=Howard Pan=
Internet: pan@athena.mit.edu
410 Memorial Dr. 		
Cambridge MA 02139
From: bloschen@next.com (Brent Loschen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Serial Port Expander
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:11:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.4731

In article <1992Aug17.063022.25980@fokus.gmd.de> kho@hubble.fokus.gmd.de (Klaus  
Hofrichter) writes:
> Folks,
> 
> anyone out there with some experience about additional serial ports for  
> NeXT? I have heard about a piece of hardware with four ports. Can some  
> kind soul send me the manufactors address or some other information?

I have used the SLAT from UniNet Peripherals  (714) 546-1100.  They provide  
both serial and Centronics parallel.  I beleive they can support up to 16  
serial ports, at speeds up to 57.6 Kb.

Brent
From: eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel L'Hommedieu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: bad setup--booting from network--help, please?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:51:53 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

Our campus bookstore has a NeXT machine that was inadvertently (or
purposely?) set to boot off of a network.  Now, this is a demo model so
it's quite standalone.

I recall that the NeXT has some sort of monitor mode that you can enter
before you allow the machine to boot (I messed one up while playing with
it, too), so I was wondering how I could go in and set the thing to boot
off its own internal hard drive again.

Please email response, as I no longer keep up with this newsgroup.
(Sorry...even still, NeXT _is_ my favorite machine out there)

Daniel
eagle@catt.ncsu.edu
--
Conversation between me and Dad a few years back: Dad: "This is a RISC
machine, son."  Me: "Why's it a risk, Dad?"  "That's the design, son.
It's designed as a RISC machine."  "What, a R-I-S-K?"  "No, it's R-I-S-C."
"Oh, what's that?"  "It stands for Reduced Instruction Set Computer."  "Oh."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Re: Postscript Fonts --- which one to use for what?
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:41:10 PDT

Is there a small style guide as  to what to use  individual fonts  for? Now
that I bought Illustrator, I  also received Garamond, Gill and Copperplate.
In addition, I have  standard Times and Helvetica,  as well as a collection
of PD fonts, including Hamburg and Thomas.

I  always used Times, since  I thought Helvetica was  harder  to read. But,
there must be a better guide to font usage than that.

/ivo welch
From: mrothste@NIKE.CALPOLY.EDU (Mont Egan Rothstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Printing on Macs and NeXTs
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:31:15 GMT

Recently I saw a post describing the Mac IIf printer as being superior to
the NeXT printer.  At the time I was tempted to respond but didn't.  I just
read a post comparing an even lower Mac printer to a NeXT printer. (I for
the life of me can't remember what the printer was but they listed the edu price as 6 hundred and something).  At this point I have to respond.

I have a unique experience.  I worked in our school bookstore computer dept.
This gave me access to many well configured machines and often nothing to do.
At one time I decided to try an experiment; I wanted to print an EPS and 
a TIFF image on both a Mac and a NeXT, the same images.  The Mac was a Quadra
with 64MB and a IIf printer, the NeXT was a NeXTstation Color wityh 20MB and
a NeXT 400dpi printer.  I won't go into the grusome stories of moving the imagesfrom one computer to the other.  The result was that the NeXT won on speed
with both images (I don't have the times).  The NeXT also won in image quality
even with the IIf's supposed simulated 600dpi and 64 levels of gray the NeXT
looked noticeably (sp?) better (i.e. those around who compared could tell the
difference when asked to compare).  So enough of the Mac better for less b/w
printing stuff.

As a side when the same images were printed on a HP IIIp with PCL5 and Image
Enhancing the difference was less.

-Mont
(sorry no NeXTmail) -When reading the recent Q193 date for NeXTSTEP/486 I
                     was nearly brought to tears :(
From: ccoprcd@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce Coy Dillahunty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT CD-ROM used on a mac?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:01:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I know this was covered earlier, but of course it didn't apply then...
what do I need to use the NeXT CD-ROM drive on a Macintosh... cables I
can handle, but does anyone know about drivers?

Thanks.
Bruce
ccoprcd@prism.gatech.edu

-- 
Dillahunty, Bruce C.
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332  
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!ccoprcd
ARPA: ccoprcd@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc