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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:45:26 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct9.051018.25607@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp) writes:
>
>Is anyone sure whether smoo is a noun or a verb?  "HEY, smoo you, buddy!"
>Or is it "Don't give me that smoo!"?  Just curious.
>
I'd guess that it's a noun. When Fran explained what it meant to Baby, she
said it referred to the underside of the dinosaurs' feet. Granted, that
was just an explanation she made up so she wouldn't have to explain the
*real* meaning to a small child, but if it was a verb, I assume her made-up
definition would have desribed it as a verb. 

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From: bryan@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan L. Allen)
Subject: Re: Big Songs
Followup-To: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Summary: All songs are new
Keywords: songs CD slobs new
Organization: Telos Corp., Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:37:42 GMT

In article <Bw72JC.KxG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cec35848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Carroll) writes:
>bryan@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan L. Allen) writes:
>
>>Coming Soon to a record store near you (well, at least in the USA):
>>DINOSAURS(c) BIG SONGS
>
>Any idea if it'll have the song sung by Earl & Robbie in the
>"happy plant" episode?  ("It's a most unusual day...")  It's
>one of my favorites.
>

Nope, sorry, it doesn't. All the songs are new; none are from
episodes shown to date.

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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:44:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <7OCT199212534084@csa3.lbl.gov> sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>
>It's all very amusing if you ask me.  If future generations watch either
>one of these shows in rerun, they won't get half the jokes.  I must
>confess to the following heresy.  I think that the Simsons is a little bit
>better.  The humor is nastier.  I think that Dinosaurs suffers from a 
>certain political blandness that comes from its Walt Disney affiliation.
>They won't step out with really good nasty political humor the way that
>the Simsons do.
>

I'm not sure if the humor is as much nastier as it is unsubtle. Take
the episode that made fun of the Clarence Thomas / Anita Hill business.
One of the dinosaurs on the "senate committee" was named Mr. Lackey
and he was operated by pullstrings coming from overhead. Or take this
last week's episode about SMOO (uh oh, I'm gonna get it now!!) - 
they made some pretty strong points about how parents should do the
parenting and not expect tv networks to do it for them.

They have had very pointed political comments to make, but they 
deliver them with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Of course, that
doesn't make it any less funny!!

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From: bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:56:17 GMT

> In the episode when they use Smoo on tv and the mother try to stop it
> I could not stop thinking about the Simpsons episode when Marge wants
> to stop the violence in Itchy & Scratchy. I think those episodes look
> very alike.

Wasn't it in the previous week's show (when Robbie had uncontrolable
urges) that Earl complained about all these shows looking alike, and
Baby said "Don't have a cow, man"?

[I don't watch "The Simpsons," but I've read that there have been
references to "Dinosaurs" -- nice to see they both recognize each
other!]

--Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Pre-empted again ? (!)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:44:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley) says:

>According to the current TV Guide, an ABC news special on the Missiles of 
>October which is scheduled to air Thursday at 9 p.m. would be seen on 
>Friday at 9 if a debate takes place that night.  As you may know, there 
>is another Chief Elder candidates debate scheduled for 9 p.m. (EDT) 
>Thursday, meaning that Dinosaurs would be pre-empted by the network TWO 
>WEEKS IN A ROW!
>
>Anyone for a protest letter-writing campaign?
>


Just goes to show that ABC is run by a bunch of Smooheads!

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From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: voices
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:43:07 GMT

and lo, there was much rejoicing among the people, as
jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp) writes:

>While I'm blathering.... I know that Ethyl is Florence Stanley, but I swear 
>that it's the late Selma Diamond, the ? on "Night Court" (Roz, about two 
>actresses ago.)  Okay I'll shut up now.

baliff?

yes, the voice could easily be hers, if she hadn't died some years ago.
same hoarseness.

for those who remember the old hbo series 'not necessarily the news', earl's
voice is stuart pankin, an actor who is more or less earl-shaped.  of course,
earl's boss (his name escapes me. argh) is that neighbor from all in the
family. :)

what about fran and robby?  does anybody recognize the voices? the credits
are generally too fast for me to notice.

--hymie
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From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Re: Claymation or what?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:29:46 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Summary: Muppets!

In article <1b7q3vINNibi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:
>In a previous article, cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) says:
>
>>Are these people inside of costumes or what? I have head varying ideas
>>from claymation or puppets, etc. It just doesn't cut it...The characters move
>>too well to be anything other than a human actor. IMHO.
>
>I'm not sure, but I would guess that there are actors inside the
>costumes. There are probably some robotics involved also to control
>mouth movement (when speaking) and eye movement. I assume that the
>technique that they use is similar to what was done in the "Teenage
>Mutant Ninja Turtles" movies. In those movies, there were actors 
>inside the costumes.

I can't say how the Turtles were done, but that's exactly how the
dinosaurs are done.  The name "Henson Associates" in the credits gives
away the fact that they are 10-foot Muppets.

Dave Lu
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Pre-empted again ? (!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:46:25 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <25LLsB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley) writes:

>Anyone for a protest letter-writing campaign?

I agree! Substitution for a half-hour piece of intelligence by a full-hour 
sitcom [:-)] two weeks in a row is too much!


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From: agb001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Claymation or what?
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:03:41 GMT

>>Are these people inside of costumes or what? I have head varying ideas
>>from claymation or puppets, etc. It just doesn't cut it...The characters move
>>too well to be anything other than a human actor. IMHO.

> I'm not sure, but I would guess that there are actors inside the
> costumes. There are probably some robotics involved also to control
> mouth movement (when speaking) and eye movement. I assume that the
> technique that they use is similar to what was done in the "Teenage
> Mutant Ninja Turtles" movies. In those movies, there were actors 
> inside the costumes.

Yes, I do remember hearing about the Turtles. They had four operators for 
each of the characters. One operated the Facial Expressions with the Eyes, One
with the Mouth, There was one person inside and one doing the voice. I 
imagine that Dinosaurs uses the same idea, but with one more person doing the
Tail's...

I also imagine Baby is entirely robotic... (If not I feel sorry for whoever
has to do that...)

ParaPsykotic (DSW)
From: finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (tracy e. finifter)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:02:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I think the best shows when it comes to sarcasm & social commentary are
those shows where you laugh at the jokes when you're a child and then you
get the jokes when you're an adult.

Dinosaurs, the Simpsons, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and Tiny Toons all fit into
that category.
From: sm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (scott machaffie)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Pre-empted again ? (!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:28:27 GMT

n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:

>In article <25LLsB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley) writes:

>>Anyone for a protest letter-writing campaign?

>I agree! Substitution for a half-hour piece of intelligence by a full-hour 
>sitcom [:-)] two weeks in a row is too much!

No no, it is 20 minutes of intelligence and 10 minutes of commercials replaced
by an hour of commercials.  (There's a lot of vacuum in commercials--that's
why it takes twices as much to replace intelligence.)
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: This season's episodes
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:45:50 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Western Washington University


If anybody has a list of the titles of this season's episodes to date (parti-
cularly if it includes that most excellent list of one-sentence synopses that
showed up with that of the first two seasons), can they post it or E-mail it 
to me please? I'm one of those obnoxious people who keeps track of things like
that. Thanks.
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From: tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Pre-empted again ? (!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:47:00 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

According to the current TV Guide, an ABC news special on the Missiles of 
October which is scheduled to air Thursday at 9 p.m. would be seen on 
Friday at 9 if a debate takes place that night.  As you may know, there 
is another Chief Elder candidates debate scheduled for 9 p.m. (EDT) 
Thursday, meaning that Dinosaurs would be pre-empted by the network TWO 
WEEKS IN A ROW!

Anyone for a protest letter-writing campaign?
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From: moric00@DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN MORIN)
Subject: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:16:55 GMT


In the episode when they use Smoo on tv and the mother try to stop it
I could not stop thinking about the Simpsons episode when Marge wants
to stop the violence in Itchy & Scratchy. I think those episodes look
very alike.


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From: bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: voices
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:17:32 GMT

> Another voice to look for:  Michael Dorn (Worf on Star Trek:  The Next
> Generation) as Solomon the Magician.

He also does most of the Wesayso commercial voiceovers.  He was also in
the Council of Elders in "The Golden Child" episode.

Surprised that nobody has mentioned that Sally Struthers is Charlene's
voice (Gloria from "All in the Family," and other cartoon voices
[Rebecca Cunningham in "Tailspin," the only one I can think of right
now]).

Also, Sam McMurray (late of the Tracy Ulman show, currently in "Likely
Suspects" on Fox) does Roy Hess's voice.

Suzie Plakson (three guest shots on "Star Trek: The Next Generation,"
two as Worf's woman, and a recurring character on "Love and War") does
Monica's voice.

--Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
HP User Interface Technology Division, Corvallis
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From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: The names
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:41:00 GMT

In Article <RFM.92Oct7105048@urth.eng.sun.com> "rfm@urth.eng.sun.com (Richard McAllister)" says:
> In article <mmaster.2ad25b8f-e@parnasus.dell.com> mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson) writes:
> 
>    >rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
>    >>	Ethyl Phillips <--- Phillips Petroleum
> 
>    >Plus, since it's spelled "Ethyl", rather than the more common "Ethel", a
>    >reference to Ethyl alcohol fuel, which was once sold at gas stations.
> 
>    "premium" gasoline used to be refered to as "ethyl".
> 
> 
> Yes, it was not "ethyl alcohol", but gasoline with "tetraethyl lead"
> added to raise the octane rating.  This additive was marketed by the
> Ethyl Corporation, so there's another oil company name reference.
> 
Yup.  There is a large building on 8 mile in Ferndale or Oak Park (northern
suburbs of Detroit) thats been empty for a looooong time.  The name on the 
front (in faded letters) is Ethyl Corporation - now as cold as the dinosaurs.
From: finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (tracy e. finifter)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: voices
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:36:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

nann@fraser.sfu.ca (Michael Craig Nann) writes:


>>>While I'm blathering.... I know that Ethyl is Florence Stanley, but I swear 
>>>that it's the late Selma Diamond, the ? on "Night Court" (Roz, about two 
>>>actresses ago.)  Okay I'll shut up now.
>>
>>yes, the voice could easily be hers, if she hadn't died some years ago.
>>same hoarseness.
>>
>Actually, Florence Stanley ALSO did a season as the bailiff on Night Court
>(either immediately before or after Selma Diamond, can't remember which).
>Maybe that's what you remember?

Actually, Florence HALLOP spent several seasons as a bailiff on Night Court
between Selma and Roz until she, too, passed away.  Florence Stanly has done
several appearnces on Night Court as a visiting judge and she also played a
judge (the same character, in fact) on My Two Dads.

Another voice to look for:  Michael Dorn (Worf on Star Trek:  The Next
Generation) as Solomon the Magician.

Does anyone know the name of the recurring voice who plays different roles?
I forget what he actually does, but he's also the guy in the Sears'
commercials.

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From: rfm@urth.eng.sun.com (Richard McAllister)
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Subject: Re: The names
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:50:48
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In article <mmaster.2ad25b8f-e@parnasus.dell.com> mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson) writes:

   >rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
   >>	Ethyl Phillips <--- Phillips Petroleum

   >Plus, since it's spelled "Ethyl", rather than the more common "Ethel", a
   >reference to Ethyl alcohol fuel, which was once sold at gas stations.

   "premium" gasoline used to be refered to as "ethyl".


Yes, it was not "ethyl alcohol", but gasoline with "tetraethyl lead"
added to raise the octane rating.  This additive was marketed by the
Ethyl Corporation, so there's another oil company name reference.

Rich
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From: tbromley@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Thomas Bromley)
Subject: Re: voices
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:14:28 GMT

aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:

> 
> In a previous article, hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) says:
> 
> >
> >what about fran and robby?  does anybody recognize the voices? the credits
> >are generally too fast for me to notice.
> >
> 
> The voice of Fran Sincair belongs to Jessica Walter. About the only
> other thing I can think of that you might have seen her in at this
> hour of the morning is that she played the fatal attraction to Clint
> Eastwood in the movie "Play Misty For Me". I'm sure there are other
> parts that she's played (she's been acting for a long time), but as
> I said before, that's the only part that comes to mind now.
> 
Curiously enough, Jessica Walter is also a regular on the NBC series "The 
Round Table" which airs ...  Friday nights at 9 p.m. (!)
(Guess you could say she's beside herself -- but I wouldn't stoop to such 
a bad pun) :)

Can't recall Robbie's voice offhand, but I have noticed the voice of 
Michael Dorn -- Worf of Star Trek: The Next Generation in a few episodes 
as one of the elders.  Same gruff tone of voice when he's a dinosaur that 
he uses when he's a Klingon.

BTW, to relate to another thread, isn't Sam McMurray a voice on both 
Dinosaurs and The Simpsons?

Tom
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: voices
Date: 9 Oct 1992 07:34:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) says:

>
>what about fran and robby?  does anybody recognize the voices? the credits
>are generally too fast for me to notice.
>

The voice of Fran Sincair belongs to Jessica Walter. About the only
other thing I can think of that you might have seen her in at this
hour of the morning is that she played the fatal attraction to Clint
Eastwood in the movie "Play Misty For Me". I'm sure there are other
parts that she's played (she's been acting for a long time), but as
I said before, that's the only part that comes to mind now.

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From: agb001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:54:33 GMT

About the rivalry of Simpsons and Dinosaurs...

Personally, I like the 'hidden' subtle meanings of Dinosaurs better, but
also because it isn't such a widely known show. People know of it, but many
people miss the sarcasm and such that is present. I know I did the first 
season it was on. And just recently (late August) I started watching it again
and have fallen in love. I now watch the Dinosaurs more than the Simpsons!!!

But I believe the other reason is the Network affiliation. Fox has been known
to do anything they can. Most of the other networks are more weary of doing
things that may offend certain groups. But I think the lack of overt obvious
sarcasm adds to the show. The feeling that twenty years down the road in 
re-re-reruns, no one will have a clue about the sarcasm. Much like the
Rocky and Bullwinkle to my brother.

My brother watches Dinosaurs. Not because of the sarcasm, but just because
he wants to see Baby go "Not The Mama!" or hear "We Need Another Timmy!".
He completely misses the sarcasm and I find that I have to explain what I
caught every time I laugh and he misses it. Kinda annoying, but then again
I am not anywhere near him now. (One of the temporary pleasures of college.)
So I can watch my shows in peace.

My roommate even misses a lot of the sarcasm. But he also isn't looking for it.
He looks for it in the Simpsons, but not in Dinosaurs. Don't know why, but
that's his preference. But now instead of explaining it to my brother, I now
have to explain it partially to my roommate. Sheesh...

Some things never change. :)

Tony Bossaller
ParaPsykotic (DSW)
AGB001@acad.drake.edu
From: lindam@tardigrade.Eng.Sun.COM (Linda McAllister)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs vs Simpsons
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:16:55 GMT
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In article <7OCT199212534084@csa3.lbl.gov> sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>
>...  I must
>confess to the following heresy.  I think that the Simsons is a little bit
>better.  The humor is nastier.  I think that Dinosaurs suffers from a 
>certain political blandness that comes from its Walt Disney affiliation.
>They won't step out with really good nasty political humor the way that
>the Simsons do.

I'm a fan of both, and while "The Simpsons" has a I'm-cool-and-I-know-it 
attitude, "Dinosaurs" is more subtly subversive.  

btw, was anyone able to decipher the dinosaur periodic table in the mating
dance episode?


linda mcallister

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