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From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
Keywords: balance in life
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:00:49 GMT

Here we go again.   You out there Poo?

In article <1k6dfuINNi49@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <C1Hnyw.5zy@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>In article <1jm16oINNoik@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin) writes:
>>
>>>It's very sad that bodybuilding and powerlifting can be at both extremes of
>>>the health scale - on the one hand, recreational body builders and
>>>powerlifters (and natural competitors in those sports) are probably a group
>>>of the healthiest, fittest people on the planet.
>
>"Healthiest, fittest people on the planet" is hardly describes a
>bodybuilder.

You should say a "professional, competitive bodybuilder preparing for
a contest".  Not just "bodybuilder".

> To become a world-class bodybuilder, a person must make
>great compromises in their health. These people eat an unnatural diet.

Eating clean is not unhealthy.  And just because they eat more than normal
people doesn't mean that it is in some way unnatural.

>
>They take drugs.

Define drugs.  I take drugs, and I am very healthy.  Oh, you mean
performance enhancing drugs?  Well, I think it is very ignorant to
immediately dismiss anyone who may be using a performance enhancing
drug.  To clarify, I am not talking about steroid abuse.  Any drug
can be abused.  But if someone takes a drug which helps their natural
potential, and isn't somehow killing them, then I don't see whats wrong
with it.  What I am trying to say is that I am not convinced that there
is not *some* way to take performance enhancing drugs in a safe manner.


> Once every two weeks, they must lift extremely
>heavy weights to achieve maximum strength, and these routines are
>dangerous, especially if they are not supervised by a sports-medicine
>physician.

Whats your point?  Sex is dangerous if not done safely.
If you're saying that lifting heavy weights is in itself dangerous, then
I say that you are dead wrong.  As a matter of fact, there have been
many studies that indicate improving muscle mass is a very healthy
pursuit.

>In addition, world-class bodybuilders have weak hearts relative to their
>body sizes because the intensity of their strength training leaves them no
>energy for aerobic training.

This is stupid, unfounded and quite possibly one of the most ridiculous
things I've heard in a good while.

>By the way, "fitness or being fit" by definition refers only to the heart,
>and since bodybuilders are focused on their skeletal muscles, fitness is 
>inappropriate terminology.

Maybe only in George Clark-land does that definition apply.  
But as I said above, there is no
evidence that bodybuilders have small and weak hearts.

>On the other hand, bodybuilders are highly motivated people, and they
>deserve admiration for having achieved a very difficult goal.

Thank you.

Ron
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Poetry on Fitness
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:19:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


Hi guys and gals,

I suppose the subject line says it all. Do you guys have any poetry
which  is applicable to "Fitness". Even one liners will do...

Amit

PS: I will start ...

Yours Truly On Body Building

"Tonight I die,
 to prepare for the birth tomorrow,
 for MAN like PHOENIX rises again from his ashes"

					AA


PPS: I am thinking of getting a tank top for working out with the
following one liner...

"UNDER CONSTRUCTION"

AA
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:13:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <20083@mindlink.bc.ca> Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:
>Well, I am 5'6'' and my ideal healthy but look great weight is about 115.
>BUT I have a fairly large bone structure. Cindy may have a lighter structure
>(she must, by her photos) and even with her extra 4 inches, may be able to
>maintain a 120 lb. weight. It can't be easy unless she is very fit.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		Or she could be starving/purging herself.

>My point is that she is advertised as normal, an answer to the pathologically
>thin modelling ideal, and I think she is still a LONG way from normal for
>most women.
>

An old SO of mine stood about 5'8" and weighed about 130. She had the typical
thin-person-physique of long-arms, long-legs, long-neck, and relatively
short, narrow torso. My first visual impression of her was that she could
stand to gain some weight. In all fairness, that is the same first impression
that folx have upon seeing me, as I have that same type of long-limbed physique.My old SO was nowhere near being big-boned, but she could easily have packed
5-10 ponds more weight on her frame if she were to develop her upper body
to the same standard as her lower body. You see, she had _great legs_,
all the way up to her ever-so-shapely hips, as a result of ballet training
as a youth. She was more-than-a-little fit, and quite a bit stronger than
she looked. She sported a 26" waistline, w/o any special training, and as
such, she was one of the very few women that I have dated who had a waistline
smaller than my own. She was also one of the few women that I had ever met
who could keep pace with me on a bike. Anyway, she was slim, shapely, and firm
at 5'8" and 130 lbs. I can scarcely imagine her being 10 lbs. lighter w/o
looking boney.

I met a woman this summer who was an aspiring powerlifter and recreational/
fitness cyclist. She was slim, trim, firm and shapely at 5'6" and 140. Her
waistline had to be less than 25". She was the only woman that _I've_ ever
met (and I know that others exist) who could do chin-ups. She could also
bench better than bodyweight. I wonder how much Flo-Jo weighs in "olympic"
trim, or off-season. I will lay odds that it is quite-a-bit more than 120.

To make a long story short, I agree with Janet...... most emphatically!

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Working in REST DAYS in a fitness/weights routine
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:24:42 GMT

I have begun running and lifting freeweights. I understand that I should
schedule regular rest days to minimize injury and maximize results.
So should I do weights and runs on the same day and then nothing the next?
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: NordicFlex Gold, Amazing product!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:39:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: rome.eng.umd.edu
Keywords: sham, bull, untruth, flim-flam

I was interested in buying the NFG, but decided not to after having an
opportunity to try one out at a local Nordic store.

It's very expensive, and there are better products that cost substantially
less. I was very disappointed in the product. It had a number of
short comings, including the fact that there is no negative resistance
on any exercises.

In addition, if your goal is to gain muscle, or even if your goal is
just to tone muscle, whether your are a man or woman, nothing is going to
beat a good set of free weights and a weight bench, either in terms of
cost effectiveness or results.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Leg Press
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:24:59 CST


In article <16B61C5A2.TAC@ysub.ysu.edu>, TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross) writes:
> If the teardrop is your seriously lagging leg part, why do you wait to
> your third leg exercise to work it.  Wouldn't it make more sense to work
> it first while it is fresh?  Just curious.
Good point!  Also partial squats can be used. 
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: More on max heart rate
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu

In article <1993Jan25.163202.17422@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>
>I've been using a treadmill a lot lately along with a pulse monitor.
>That seems to be a good way of finding out your max heart rate empirically:
>just increase the work load until you see that the heart rate increase
>starts slowing down and you're getting close to exhaustion. This isn't
>too dangerous is it?

It's dangerous only if you feel pain, or if you have undiagnosed heart
problems. Otherwise, don't worry about it. The more intense your
workout, the more fit your heart will become.


>Anyway, I've only tried to max out a couple of times
>and the max for me appears to be around 178. At age 37, this is pretty
>close to the 210 minus age formula. For normal workouts, I like to keep
>it in the 158-162 range for 30 minutes. This is about 90%, but any lower
>doesn't seem like that much of a workout.

That's good. Keep it intense once or twice per week. Your skeletal
muscles have become conditioned to the point where the heart-rate
formulas no longer apply.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate (PROBLEM?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:22:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.032218.15776@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, blake@osc.edu (Blake Cook) writes:

Stuff deleted

> I don't know if it's the Vanadyl Sulfate causing the reaction or 
> something else, but I've become real warry of it.  If it is the VS, I'm
> wondering if it may be one of the "other" ingredients the maker, Bricker
> Labs, chose to put in it.  These "other" ingredients include 20mg Niacin
> & 200 mcg Chromium Picolinate (Nutri 21).  Maybe even the combination
> of the 3 ingredients could somehow cause this, I just don't know.  I've
> taken the Chromium Picolinate before so doubt if this could be the 
> culprit.  
> 
> 
Stuff deleted
> 



If you are taking this on an empty stomach - it could
be the niacin but it sounds like a very small amount to cause
this.  At one time years ago I took 500mg. of it and the flush
came on in about 20 minutes.  As I recall, this effect should
subside with time.  I guess a way to check is to take some
straight niacin under the same conditions that you now take
the VS and see what happens.  This is just a shot in the dark
but it may be the cause.


Michael
From: laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Anthony Clark: Latest Feats
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:38:31 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs197.bnr.co.uk

In article <C19vLr.4A2@jabba.ess.harris.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>>I posted a while ago some of the incredible lifts of Anthony Clark
>...
>>Thursday: Heavy Back Day
>>	   Deadlifts (up to 680 for 4reps) 
>>           Bent over barbell row (up to 405 for 8 reps) 
>>	   lat pulldowns 3 sets of5 reps at 300 
>
>But why so little on the lat pulldowns?  That implies he couldn't do
>5 chinups (at 330 lbs).  I weigh 165 and do 6x210, and I can do 16-20 
>chinups.
>
	His deadlifts are pretty poor relative to his squat and bench. Over
	700 lb bench and 1025 squat are world's best feats - but 680 DLs?
	The middleweight (165lb) world record DL is around the 700 mark!



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Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9782 rec.food.veg:12513
From: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:27:14 GMT
Reply-To: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Followup-To: misc.fitness

Some natural/health foods are really quite lax at posting nutritional
information.  Are we supposed to take the manufacturers' word that their
products are "healthy"?  One major offender is Fantastic Foods, Inc.
of Petaluma, Calif.  Their products taste great, but what am I eating
as far as fats, sodium, protein, etc. are concerned?

Michael
mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shin Splints
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:32:19 GMT
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR

In article <19930@mindlink.bc.ca>, Neil_MacAskill@mindlink.bc.ca (Neil MacAskill) writes:
|> I am a coach of a sport which uses mainly the muscles of the upper body. My
|> athletes run as part of their conditioning program. One of my athletes has
|> shin splints which are very painful for him and interfere with his training.
|> 
|> Does anyone have any info regarding shin splints and - or suggestions for
|> treatment.
|> 
|> Several other athletes are doing the same training with no complaints.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
  
   Neil,

   I was given some exercises about 5-6 years ago that have always helped
   in preventing shin splints.  My wife had a great histroy of problems 
   with them and these did the trick for her and several other people
   that I've given them too.......hope it helps.

   Basically you want to do "toe-taps" while standing.  There are 3 
   different positions, please forgive my art work.

    |     |          |  |         |           |
    |     |         |    |         |         |
    |     |        |      |         |       |
    |     |       |        |         |     |
    |     |      |          |         |   |

     Feet            Feet              Feet
    Straight       Pointed In        Pointed out
     Ahead
    
   Do about a hundred of each and you will feel the front and both sides
   of you shins.  These help to build up the area.

   Also include calf raises, achilles stretching, ankle circles and calf
   stretches.  These do "really" work.

   Good luck,
   Curt
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stairmaster technique and Difficulty levels (new thread)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:09:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


Seeing all this talk on leaning technique vs non-leaning technique
(from now on referred to as LT and NLT) I decided to try out the LT
the other day to see how it felt... The second of the two observations
below, is more important

Observations 

  o	While leaning (balancing my wt on the bars) I can do the
	hardest level for 40 minutes easy. I have enough strength in
	my arms to balance my wt for 10 minutes easy without moving my
	legs at all. (I am trying to show off... :-), bear with me)

  o	More importantly, it dawned upon me the reason why some people
	found doing a higher level easier on the stairmaster than
	doing the lower level. Before this I could never comprehend
	this fact. What happens is as follows... Once you have your wt
	balanced you are not really using (at least I wasn't) 	your
	wt to push the pedals down. Instead you push these with your
	ft (note that if using NLT, you cannot apply a force higher
	than your wt but this is not true anymore with LT... an
	argument for its superiority :-)). Anyway, the net result
	is that you might end up using more effort at a lower level. 

	roughly speaking in NLT, the force remains constant (your wt)
	and in LT, the velocity remains constant (relatively, this is
	very very rough). Therefore, in NLT at a lower level the
	velocity decreases (they increase the friction) but in LT the
	force increases. The power expended by the human therefore
	decreases in NLT but increases in LT. 

Now, as far as which method is better, go for the LT only if you know
what you are doing... 

Asses to ashes, bust to dust (my workout motto)

Amitabh 

PS: Maybe it is like neck rolls... If Cindy Crawford does them, it is OK (most
experts agree) but not for us common folks

A

PPS: For those of you who don't know, I am referring to the
controversy of the Cindy Crawford fitness video where she is shown
doing neck rolls. 

A
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Is it okay to run with shin splints
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:24:32 GMT


  As already suggested: I wouldn't run on anything really painful,
  most especially not shin-splints.  I tried that once and really
  regretted it!  But, as soon as the pain and inflammation go away
  I would start *gentle* work again. Good luck and ON ON!
-Max
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Who is Penelope Ann Miller? (was Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy )
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:00:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


In article <1993Jan23.003029.15471@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

   >PS: I heard that "Penelope Ann Miller" is coming out with a fitness
   >video. Actually she is 'in' one, along with several other celebrities.
   >When is that coming out. Now, this is a woman....

   Excuse my ignorance, but who is Penelope Ann Miller?  Where has she
   appeared before?

She is the actress from "Freshman" and  "Other People's Money". I
think she also has a cameo in "Chaplin".

   allen

Amit
From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: CYBERTRIM weight reduction program?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:50:03 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Greetings,

I was wondering if anyone out there has tried the CYBERTRIM program and, if so,
what the results were. This is another one of the cybergenics products. It
sure sounds good.

Thanks for your responses.
Rich
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shin Splints
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:01:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: rome.eng.umd.edu

The newsgroup, rec.running, has a detailed discussion of shin splints
in its FAQ, as I recall.

The term "shin splints" means pain in the lower leg, and a more
specific diagnosis is going to be one of four things.

You should not make the athlete you're coaching do any exercise that
contributes to the pain. The only treatment is rest, and rehabilatation
doesn't begin until after the athlete can exercise the leg without pain.

This is important because many people addicted to their sport will
endure pain and continue to exercise in spite of pain. These people end 
up with permanent discomfort, they go from doctor to doctor, and nobody
can help them.

Some sports-medicine physicians claim calcitonin injections into the
lower leg will accelerate healing of shin splints that have otherwise
not healed by rest alone. However, this treatment has yet to be
documented in the sports-medicine literature, so your physician may
be unfamiliar with it.

I hope your injured athlete is disciplined enough to rest until he is
completely healed and can exercise without pain.
From: rmuller@fremont.hampshire.edu (Richard Muller)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: % fat counting at the gym....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:51:09 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College, Amherst, MA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fremont.hampshire.edu

In article <25377@galaxy.ucr.edu> samari@watserv.ucr.edu writes:

[Describes having a %fat measurement done by measuring the circumference
of several spots, instead of by calipers]
>
>My question is... is this at *all* acurate???  They figured it out to be around
>20% fat...   but I can't even begin to guess whether that is about right, since  
This method is described in detail in McArdle, Katch, and Katch: _Exercise
Physiology_ and, I suspect, in several other places.  MK&K is, I'm told, a
completely reputable source.  About this method, they say (page 500):

...The circumference-based prediction equations are most useful in ordering
individuals within a group ... the error in predicting an individual's
body fat is generally between +/- 2.5 to 4%.  These relatively low prediction
errors make the equations particularly useful to those without access to
laboratory facilities.

They also warn that these equations are not good for individuals who are
either very thin or very fat; who are members of athletic teams; who have
been involved for a number of years in strenuous sports or resistance train-
ing.

So, Tammy, it sounds like the odds are that your actual %fat is somewhere in
the range 16-24%.

Rich

-- 
Rich Muller
School of Communications and Cognitive Science
Hampshire College, Amherst MA 01002 USA
(413) 549-4600 ext 501; rmuller@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:39:32 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1jkrh9$src@agate.berkeley.edu>, newton@garnet.berkeley.edu (Sir Isaac Newton) writes:
> In article <1jkfejINNrk0@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>
>>Of course you will eventually get Salmonellosis, and may deplete
>>your body's supply of biotin (raw eggs have active avidin, which
>>binds biotin (a vitamin) with legendary affinity.
>>
> So anybody know how serious Salmonellosis is?  I mean, can you die
> from it?  Are there long term effects?


It is also know as food poisoning.  The illness is not called salmonellosis,
but the name escapes me at the moment.  It is a bacterial infection that 
effects the gut.  You end up getting sick as a dog and you could dehydrate 
to the point that you end up in the hospital.  No long term effects that I 
know of.

-Rob

> 
> -- 
> 
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> |newton@garnet.berkeley.edu | 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Chills
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:05:01 GMT

Has anyone experienced chills the next day after a tough
weight training workout?

Does anyone know the cause/cure?

Hema
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Egg Whites and Protein
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:20:31 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 43501@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain) writes:
:
:In article <1993Jan13.173226.20283@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA:, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
:|: 
:|: Be careful eating raw eggs: you'll increase your chances of
:|: salmonella poisoning if there happens to be any in the egg
:|: (cooking eggs kills salmonella).
:
:How serious is the risk here?  I thought raw eggs w/milk have been a staple
:of athlete/boxer types for generations.  Was Rocky playing Russian roulette?
:
:
:
:Jabir Hussain (jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu) [POBox 81852, San Diego CA 92138]
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I think all this 'you shouldn't do this because you MIGHT....' talk is silly.
Maybe there is a risk of getting salmonella in raw eggs. So what? The chance
of getting it is extremely small.

Almost every day researchers come up with new findings. This food that
you've been eating every day is supposed to give you cancer. This other food
is not as bad as we previously thought. Bla bla bla bla.
I ate 10 raw eggs a day (mixed in my protein drinks) for a year. No problem.

I guess if you drive you are more likely to get killed than if you walk.
If you cross the street you're more likely to get hurt than if you DON'T
cross the street.

Just my humble opinion :-)

Jan
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