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From: GAMEZ@FORDMURH.BITNET (Luis Gamez, Fordham University,
              New York City)
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Subject: Re: ECS editorship
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:00:00 GMT
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One might profitably imitate the new e-journal *Postmodern Culture*
(PMC-LIST@NCSUVM).  The journal is published electronically as a listing
of articles and reviews one orders from a file server.  Now I read that
OUP will simultaneously publish PMC on paper, so that both formats will
be available.  Surely ECS could follow that model.

Louie Gamez
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:34:00 CST
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Subject:      hacks and panegyrics

Nathaniel Paradise asks generally about hack writers of panegyrics.

I wonder if Elkanah Settle (1648-1724) is too early for you.  Perhaps it is
he who carried the genre to its extreme by dressing his poems in
unskillfully finished armorial bindings (the arms were altered after
patronage was rejected) and even decorating the paper leaves with gilt
and colored impressions of binder's tools.   But I am not aware of any
attempt to study Settle and his patrons - who they were, or in what
language so many of them seem to have rejected his verses.
----
John P. Chalmers
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:52:48 EST
From:         Brett Charbeneau <72410.3034@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Mourning fashion(s)

          GREETINGS FROM COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG (AGAIN)!

     I wanted to again thank those of you who assisted us with
information on the celebration of Guy Fawkes' Day.  It was a big
help!  We are, unfortunately, afflicted with another stumper:
mourning clothes.
     There is ongoing research at our Millinery Shop on ALL
aspects of "mourning fashion".  This includes clothes, jewelry,
accessories - the works. As it turns out, primary citations have
proven VERY difficult to locate.
     What we are seeking are the type of references which can
help to identify what these items were made from and how they
were used in the process of mourning.
     I am hoping that the among the period manuscripts, journals,
and periodicals you subscribers peruse on a daily basis, some
relevant quotations may come to mind.
     Of course, American or English sources are most preferred,
but any and all help will be greatly appreciated.  Looking
forward to hearing from you!  Until then, the subscribers will
find me,

                     Their obedient servant,


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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:00:45 EST
From:         Dorothy Coleman <DPCOLE@WMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rousseau scholars

There is a Society for the Study of Jean-Jacques Rousseau (or some
title close to that).  I don't recall who the Secretary of the Society
is, but the Newsletter editor is Howard Cell, Department of Philosophy
and Religion, Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ 08028.  The
society is interdisciplinary.  Howard could get you a memembership
list of the society.  Their society also keeps track of publications
by their members.

Hope this helps.

Dorothy Coleman
College of William and Mary
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:32:59 -0400
From:         DRWILSON@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      ADAPTATIONS OF SHAKESPEARE

HELLO-I am trying to locate any recent information (1985-1992) on an 18th
century version of "Coriolanus". It can be a journal article or textbook.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:11:44 -0600
From:         FRAE141@UTXVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ECS editorship

I don't think that having texts available on-line excludes the continuation
of paper-copy publishing. The review process could remain in place, and
ECS could make available electronically the same stuff it does in print.
*Especially* for bibliographies (and related material, like review essays on
topics), that is important.

As far as sending "n'importe quoi" to "n'importe qui": that is already being
done. Witness the present!

Cheers from

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Ausitn
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:46:41 EST
From:         "Catherine E. Ingrassia" <cingrass@HIBBS.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      c18 L e-mail subscription

tell listserv@psuvm.bitnet sub C18-L cingrass Catherine Ingrassia
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:48:17 CST
From:         Susan E Rosa <srosa@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Subject:      interdisciplinarity and ecs

From Susan Rosa  e-mail srosa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
The ASECS committee on interdisciplinarity will be holding an
officially scheduled breakfast meeting in Providence.  We
urge you to attend and to bring your suggestions for ecs.
Should you wish to place items on the agenda before the meeting,
contact me at the e-mail address above, or write Susan Rosa,
Honors Program, P.O. Box 413, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee,
Milwaukee, WI 53211
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:10:52 EST
From:         Irwin Primer <primer@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: E-Journal, etc.

For Anne S. Vance: NO!  Who would dream of excluding scholars working in
the visual arts from participating in e-mail ECS?  The issue you're raising
is that of how to include high-resolution or any-resolution graphics to-
gether with the verbal or "printed" matter.  Perhaps really interested
parties could signify their interest in receiving hard copy, simply by
e-mailing their addresses to the author of the article?  By hard copy, I
mean the accompanying illustrations.  Then there arises the question of
how those reproductions would be paid for.  Perhaps those who are reading
only the free electronic version of ECS would be asked to purchase the
set of reproductions?  The technology to send high quality reproductions
to distant terminals already exists, and at some future date the problem
raised here will have evaporated.  Meanwhile, we need viable alternatives.
--I. Primer
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:43:04 EDT
From:         anne schroder vance <RAVEL@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: E-Journal, etc.
              16 Nov 1992 11:35:06 -0600 from <SDILL@CHARLIE.USD.EDU>

I am a newcomer to electronic media and might be misinformed about the
capabilities of e-mail, but, as an art historian working on 18th-c.
interdisciplinary topics (artists' involvement with the French
publishing industry) I would be concerned that an e-mail ECS would
exclude scholars working in the visual arts. Is this right?
From: nparadis@SAS.UPENN.EDU (Nathaniel Paradise)
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Subject: hacks and panegyrics
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:34:22 GMT
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Does anybody know approximately how many writers in mid 18th c. England, hacks
and otherwise, were actively writing panegyrics, etc., in hopes of winning a
stray guinea? How often could Lords, Ladies, and other eminent personages
expect to be accosted by some scribbler hoping to be rewarded for his or
her verses? Can you direct me to any good sources?

Nathaniel Paradise
nparadis@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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A good point, methinks. But we cld have texts without pickies, and wld
then have to look at hard-copy. Until things progress to including pictures.
Or have they already?

To the author of the message: what are you working on exactly? Sounds interest-
ing.

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
RDawson@UTxVm-bitnet
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:02:13 CST
From:         Kyle Grimes <ARHU018@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Groups
              20 Nov 1992 13:58:45 CST from <ac05@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU>

Those interested in a Victorian studies list may wish to contact
Patrick Leary, the "list-owner" of SHARP-L.  He was wondering out
loud on SHARP-L a few weeks ago about the possibility of setting
up a Victorian list.  (SHARP-L, incidentally, is an acronym for
the Society for the History of Authorship, Reading, and Publishing.)

Patrick Leary's e-mail address is pleary@ucs.indiana.edu.

Kyle Grimes
Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham
arhu018@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:07:02 -0500
From:         FA40@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Rousseau scholars

In response to the query about Rousseau Scholars--here
is the listing for the Rousseau Association affiliated with
the American Society for Eighteenth-Century Studies--
hope this helps.
--Laura Kennelly
 Affiliate Societies Coordinator, ASECS


North American Association for the Study of Jean-Jacques
Rousseau/ Association Nord-Am ricaine des Etudes Jean-Jacques
Rousseau

President: Aubrey Rosenberg, Victoria College, University of
     Toronto, Toronto, Ontario M5S 1K7
Vice President: Ourida Mostefai, Romance Languages and
     Literatures, Boston College, Chestnut Hill, MA 02167
Secretary-Treasurer: Grace Roosevelt, 404 Riverside Drive, New
     York, NY 10025
Associate Secretary: Jean Terrasse, Langue et Litt rature
     fran aises, Universit  McGill, 3460 rue McTavish, Montr al,
     P. Q. H3A 1X9; phone: 514 392-4577
Program Chair: James MacAdam, Master's Lodge, Champlain College,
     Trent University, Peterborough, Ontario K9J 7B8
Bulletin Editor: Howard R. Cell, Philosophy/Religion, Glassboro
     State College, Glassboro, NJ 08028; phone: 609 863-6049
Director of Publications: Guy Lafrance, Facult  de philosophie,
     Universit  d'Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario K1N 6N5
Dues: Regular $15 US, $17 Canadian; Student or Retired, $5 US,
     $6 Canadian.  US members send dues to Grace Roosevelt,
     Canadian members to Jean Terrasse
Newsletter Editor: Howard R. Cell, Department of
     Philosophy/Religion, Glassboro State College,
     Glassboro, NJ 08028
Next Meeting: 28-31 May 1993, "Rousseau et ses critiques," Trent
Univ., Peterborough, Ontario
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:17:16 EST
From:         "Georges T." <TISSOT@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: early French journalism

Note: On dictionnaries : A new Dictionnaire historique de la langue
francaise par Alain Rey et son equipe vient d'etre publie par la
maison Robert. Dans la famille des dictionnaire Robert. Will say
more when I have the dictionnary in my hands. It is in two vol.,
covers 40,000 words. This is a first I believe.
 Georges Tissot ( Tissot@UOTTAWA)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:27:30 -0500
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Seymour & Woolhopter

Herewith is a query crossposted from ExLibris; as usual, if anbody has an
answer, please send it directly to the inquirer, since it is uncertain that
postings on C18-L will reach him -- but send us a copy, too, for inquiring
minds want to know -- yrs &c. &c. &c., KB

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Subject:      Seymour & Woolhopter
To:           Kevin Berland <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

I'm researching a rare book published in 1800 by Seymour and Woolhofter (on
the bay), located in Savannah, Georgia. The book is a 16-page sermon given by
the Rev. Henry Holcombe of the First Baptist Church, Savannah. The book is
entitled "A Sermon Occasioned by the Death of Lieutenant-General George
Washington, Late President of the United States of America." This sermon was
published at the request of the Savannah City Council. My research thus far
has been quite successful. I've discovered a great deal of information about
the church, Rev. Holcombe and the City of Savannah's response to the death of
our first president. Unfortunately I am unable to locate any information at
all on the publisher-- Seymore and Woolhofter (except for one minor detail--
the company no longer exists, at least under that name). Any ideas???? Chris
Pasenow, Georgia State University graduate student.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:10:24 EST
From:         John O'Neill <joneill@ITSMAIL1.HAMILTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: rousseau
              Dangeville" at Nov 19, 92 5:11 pm

Sylvie,

One Rousseau scholar working in the United States is my colleague and
namesake in the French department at Hamilton, John C. O'Neal.

John is the author of *Seeing and Observing:  Rousseau's Rhetoric of
Perception* (1985).  He has just finished the ms. of a new book on
sensationism.

He has also written several articles on Rousseau.

John does not have E-Mail, so you have to contact him at his snail-mail
address:  Department of Romance Languages, Hamilton College, 198 College
Hill Road, Clinton, New York 13323.  His office phone number is
315-859-4212.

--John H. O'Neill (joneill@hamilton.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:49:05 CST
From:         Susan E Rosa <srosa@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Who are the "proud heretics"?
              Nov 22, 92 9:17 pm

hi, In reply to your question, who are the proud heretics, it seems to me he
 might be referring to the Dutch, although the remark seems to be more
 descriptitve of the relationship between The United \Provinces and Spain in the
 seventeeth century than in the eighteenth.
I hope this helps,
Susan Rosa srosa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:11:16 -0400
From:         BLASERPF8052@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Groups

Thomas Carlyle was correct. Anything anyone has said
before or after Thomas Carlyle is incorrect inasmuch
as it differs from Carlyle's assertions.
I would gladly join a Victorian list.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:30:12 -0500
From:         Allen Michie <engak472@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: rousseau

On Thu, 19 Nov 1992, Sylvie Dangeville wrote:

> I am looking for a Rousseau scholar working in the United States.  Could
> anyone suggest me some names as well as their affiliation?
        The best scholar I know of on the topic, esp. _Confessions_, is
James F. Jones at Southern Methodist University.  Office of the Dean and
Vice Provost; Dedman College; SMU; Dallas TX  75275.
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From:         Bhattacharya Sumangala <ac05@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Groups
              at Nov 20, 92 12:51 pm

>
> I was wondering if anyone out there in computerland could tell me if there is
 a
>    group on the net anywhere that deals with Victorian Poetry?  Thanks to
 anyone
>     in advance.  It might be easier to answer via the group as I am not too
 sure
>     of my address.
>
> Salut
> Giuliano Valentino
> Dalhousie University in Heavenly Halifax, Nova Scotia.
> Wannaker@dal.ac.cs (I think, but don't quote me!:-)
>
I've been looking for a group that deals with Victorian studies--any aspect at
all--and haven't been able to find one.  If there is a group, the members must
be terribly closeted.  Please let me know if you have any luck.

You know, perhaps if more people were interested, we could start a group!

--

Sumangala Bhattacharya
ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu
ac05@untvax.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:35:56 CST
From:         mcgeary thomas nelson <mcgeary@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ECS editorship
              at Nov 13, 92 7:14 pm

An interesting and challenging suggestion. What interest or support have you
 loated so far?

:xq
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:51:25 -0400
From:         WANNAKER@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      Groups

I was wondering if anyone out there in computerland could tell me if there is a
   group on the net anywhere that deals with Victorian Poetry?  Thanks to anyone
    in advance.  It might be easier to answer via the group as I am not too sure
    of my address.

Salut
Giuliano Valentino
Dalhousie University in Heavenly Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Wannaker@dal.ac.cs (I think, but don't quote me!:-)
From: webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU (Don W.)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 20:42:47 GMT
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The question had to come up...

>For Anne S. Vance: NO!  Who would dream of excluding scholars working in
>the visual arts from participating in e-mail ECS?
[...]
>  Perhaps really interested
>parties could signify their interest in receiving hard copy, simply by
>e-mailing their addresses to the author of the article?
[...]
>  The technology to send high quality reproductions
>to distant terminals already exists,
>--I. Primer

A crucial question, seems to me, is With what application are
the graphics made?  If the graphic can be scanned, it can be
converted to Macintosh and DOS graphics applications, compressed,
and either stored on the e-journal's server for FTP retrieval
or made available by offlist request to the sender.

The real bottleneck, as I see it, would be in the scanning
and file conversion processes.  Presumably, contributors dealing
with graphic arts might know how to go about accessing the
equipment necessary.  However, it would be nice to hear from
someone who knows whether such services are available commercially.
If so, the journal editors would not have to do double duty as
a graphics-conversion clearing house.

All told, it is simpler to write away for a photocopy of
a graphic, but only if a few people do so.  For purposes of
mass distribution, FTP archiving would take a big load off
the contributor.

Regards,

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
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From:         james schmidt <jschmidt@ACS.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Who are the "proud heretics"?

In a 1783 essay on freedom of the press, the Prussian jurist
Ernst Ferdinand Klein, imagining a soliloquy Frederick the
Great has with himself upon assuming the throne, has the
monarch ask "Why does that eternally famous people, before
whose name, accompanied by the thunder of its cannons, both
hemispheres tremble, sink into a deathly powerlessness after
the conquest of half a world?  Why can the treasures of both
Indies, and two seas, from which other people enrich
themselves, not remedy its daily growing poverty? - Why the
decline of this empire at the extreme points of Europe,
washed by the great ocean, and so notorious for the
persecution of dissenters? Why also must the few efforts of
its idle but orthodox inhabitants enrich those proud
heretics, who through the cultivation of their talents made
half the world their tributary?"  Presumably most of this
paragraphs has to do with Spain, although it has also been
suggested to me that the first two sentences may be a
reference to Portugal.  But who are the "proud heretics" who
have enriched themselves at the expense of the few Spanish
who actually are productive?  Is this supposed to be a
reference to the English?  Any thoughts on this?

James Schmidt, Boston University                (jschmidt@acs.bu.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:57:33 -0600
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Subject:      Re: Mourning fashion(s)

I would certainly begin with such compendia as Diderot et al.'s Encyclopedie
under "deuil", etc. Not forgetting Panckoucke's Encycl. methodique which,
alas, doesn't appear to exist in this country.

Bonne chance!

--Bob Dawson
French-Italian
UTx-Austin
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Subject: Re: 18th-c. plays
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:58:30 GMT
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I would be interested in the pub-puffs, Paula, if you've sufficient copies.
Whenever.

Merci,

--Bob Dawson
French-Italian
UnivTx-Austin
78712-1197
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:50:04 -0600
From:         JAMESCAVAN@SASK.USASK.CA
Subject:      Re: 18th-c. plays

Paula:
I would like a copy of the material on the drama series, please.
Herewith is my snail-mail address:

Kathleen James-Cavan
Department of English
University of Saskatchewan
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
CANADA
S7N 0W0

Thanks!
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