From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:23:17 GMT

valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:

>Usually I try to refrain in getting into a flame war dealing with worthless
>jibberish such as what is mentioned above but just can't help it this time.

That's ok -- I like flame wars with USC fans. :-)

>It has become very evident that all what USC opponents seem to care about
>is to do thing like count how many times our band plays a practicular song
>and such, instead of showing any intrest or pride on what their own football
>team is doing. But after seeing the Stanford and Arizona bands, as well as the
>rest of the bands in the PAC-10, there's no wander that opposing schools seem
>ashamed to talk about their bands accomplishments, because we are surely proud
>to talk about ours. Which band would you be proud of? 

Ooh -- enumerated, too.  Thanks! :-)

>1. A band that has made numerous TV and movie appearances, or one
>that had done a halftime show some- time back titled "A Tribute To
>Abortion" with the band in coat-hanger formation 

Definitely the second.  Note -- I have heard that the Stanford Band
has had at least one and possibly more movie/video offers, but due to
Stanford University policies we are unable to accept them.  There is
only one reason why the U$C band has made "numerous TV and movie
appearances" -- it's because you're the most _convenient_ band in L.A.

>2. A band that has
>been exposed on a Grammy-winning album, or a band that likes
>"exposing themselves" in a diffrent way in public. 

Gee, I'd have to go with the second again (funny how that works. :-)
Again, the only reason that the U$C Band plays with all these artists,
TV, movies, etc. is because _you're_in_LA_!!!!!  

3. A band that has
>had such artist perform with them during halftime such as Neil
>Diamond, Diana Ross, Chuck Mangione,Lionel Richie to name a few or a
>band that has been reprimanded so many times by the NCAA, has been a
>total embarassment to the school.

First of all, I wouldn't want any of those artists to perform with us
-- I think our performances stand on their own (even my opponents will
agree on this one. :-).

Second, just for the record, the Stanford Band has _never_ to my
knowledge been officially reprimanded by the NCAA.  We've been
reprimanded by the University of Oregon once, and twice by our own
athletic department (not counting a couple of minor internal scuffles)
-- 1986 and 1990.  And I disagree that we have been a "total
embarrasment to the school" -- our many fans would strongly disagree.

Frankly, I think you have a seriously overinflated opinion of your
band, which isn't too surprising considering the formidable ego of the
U$C Band.  Sure, they're good sounding (considering they only play
three or four songs, they kinda have to be :-), but we don't sound
that bad, have a MUCH wider repertoire (or at least we play a wider
variety of songs at a single game), and have a lot more fun than you
possibly could.  Which is part of our appeal.

Again, the Stanford Band's purpose is to entertain -- sometimes, we
hit, sometimes we miss.  The U$C Band's purpose is to annoy, and they
almost ALWAYS hit.  If you want that to mean that the U$C Band is
better, that's fine for you.  Just don't play Conquest again in my
general direction.

23-9,
Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu














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