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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.160855.743@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) writes:
>>	Funny you should mention this; I ordered a second-printing black SS tee
>>specifically to give to Neil Gaiman when I finally meet him.  Black is, of
>>course, the only color he wears.
>
>Black is not a colour. & colours are allowed *on* the black. Hmm. The guy
>who prompted you to the above statement mentioned Squiddy playing with Death's
>goldfish... I know what their names are. Ner ner |-)

Tch.  Neil said it for all to hear at my signing.  Mind you, that doesn't stop
me from being a true tease and not posting it on here.  And just what is
"black" anyway here?  A very, very, very dark violet or indigo color?  If it
were a balanced spectrum it would be white, just a dark, dark, dark, shade of
it... but I digress.

You know, I looked at the back of #42 just now and said to myself, "Oh no.  Now
Dream's finally got the... the balls to go out and find a new quest for himself
and now look at the trouble it'll get him into."  He is a bit slow, isn't he?

I think Delirium got to him, though.  The rainbow is colored out-of-order, for
starters.  What IS pink doing there?  And I'm not going to comment about the
odd tint of the sun---oops.  Just did.  Colors.  Aren't they pretty?
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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: The foundations of Valiant and Image (was  Re: Joe Shuster dies)
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.192211.5712@afterlife.ncsc.mil> acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>In article <13864@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> sf034281@owl.cellb.bcm.tmc.edu (Shurron M. Farmer) writes:
>>
>>This is one of the reasons that Valiant and Image Comics has formed.  I remember
>>reading an interview on Jim Shooter when Valiant had just formed.  He said that
>>many of the comic creators (characters, comics, etc.) died penniless because they
>>didn't have the rights to their creations.  This was also that the Image Press
>>founders used on their characters (Spawn, Youngblood, etc.).  They have the copyrights so no company can use them for anything without the creator being
>>properly compensated.
>
>Jim Shooter talking about the importance of creator's rights.
>
>From the man who fought tooth and nail to keep Jack Kirby from
>getting his original art back. 
>
>Excuse me, I'm going to throw up now.

I think you have this wrong.  Jim Shooter did much to advance creator's benefits
and rights, especially in the areas of payment and original artwork.  

So, face the other direction when you do.

				Ron

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: Gaiman (was Re: DC's plans)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:44:44 GMT

In article <e0IG02C41eSo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>Apparently, the reason Gaiman wasn't at SDCC was because he got the
>house he'd been in the process of buying and was doing closing thangs
>on the sale [...]

Oh sod.  You realize this will mean he'll have to get an armed patrol to
keep out the raging mobs of fanboys and fangirls all wearing black clothes,
dark amber shades, and suicide squid t-shirts.  So...  Any volunteers?  :)

And I thought the trenchcoat brigade was bad enough... e-gad.  And now, the
.sig from hell.  You have been warned.

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Two Ways to *Really* Help Comics (was: Popularity in Comics)
Keywords: splunge!
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:26:51 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

friedman@adena.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:

>In article <-y#nc5_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>Of course people are frustrated when fools and no-talents like McFarlane
>>and Liefeld rake in more money for a single issue of a comic than most
>>people in the industry will see over the course of an entire career.

>Now wait a minute, Lazzie: this is just plain bitter crybabying!

>Obvously you're one of the afforementioned frustrated ones, right?
>Your bile-level must've risen so high in you body that it's obscuring
>your vision!  No-talent?  This is extremely subjective...and
>slanderous to boot!

>As for artistic merit, it's *obvious* that both artists have talent.
>That's just apparent to those who aren't "blind with rage"!  You're
>letting your hatred override your senses.  A "no-talent" could not
>possibly get a job drawing a comic for a major company: that's simple
>fact.  Somebody along the line must've thought they were good enough
>artists to hold a job!  Sheesh.  Maybe they're not as good as *your*
>ideal artist, but they're good enough to get hired, and that
>constitutes as having *some* talent.

Very true. Although I dont think Liefeld has much talent. 
It reminds me of a letter sent to Spiderman when McFarlane
was doing it the way Laz is speaking. Jim Sallicrup replied
in a similar way to you.

Jed
>P.S.- Yeah, I hear Robbie is a real dickweed anyway, but I won't
>unjustly call him a "no-talent"!  My brother tells me that he skipped
>a Con he'd committed to once just because he had bought a new house
>and wanted to spend some time in it (during the Con).  Can anybody
>substantiate this?  If it's true, then the dweeb should have his
>kneecaps removed as penalty for being *extremely* unprofessional...

>-- 
>Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
>"There is nothing former   "Beat poets,    "If you put a hungry ferret in your
> about King Crimson."       not children."  trousers, he'll run around..."
> - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90    - anonymous     - Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug/TICK/Etc.
Keywords: Interesting, more info
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:38:27 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

I just thought of another great comic. It's only one issue, but I thought it
was just too funny. It's one of the issues of Secret Origins, where they talk
about the Secret Origin of the Legion of SH and how the fortress got built
when Fortress Lad turned into one and Mnemonic Lad made him forget... that
was too funny.

h.
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Endless Chess Sets
Date: 23 Aug 1992 09:46:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

In the Beginning, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) sez:
>Despair Chess Board: designed so that both kings begin checkmated
Nah, that seems more like Death's Board: everyone dies.  Unless:
(and I'm not a chess-buff, so correct me if I'm wrong) the rules
of chess say something like: player must protect king from check; so:
White gets to move first, has to protect WKing, but it's a checkmate,
so White can't protect WKing, and since BKing is in mate, White goes
ahead and takes BKing, and the game ends with White the winner, since
Black never got the next turn to capture WKing, so unless Black is
the target for despair, then I guess it's not really proper, unless
White considers a game automatically won a cause for despair.  Or
something.

Why not have Despair's be designed so that the game must be played
until someone wins, but it starts out a stalemate?

-Jon Kung, my God!  My second idiot post within an hour!
From: appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman spoiler question
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:53:39 GMT
Organization: csua
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In-reply-to: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk's message of 21 Aug 92 14:20:49 GMT

In article <12631@ecs.soton.ac.uk> ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:
->Nuala?
->Crystal?
-> That shows how carefully I read the things - what issue are you talking about?
->I thought that Nuala had appeared only in Season of Mists and A Game of You,
->and was simply a fairy with no special significance.

It's Brief Lives #2 which is being discussed...  Anyways, I don't think I've
seen anything in Sandman yet that had "no special significance."

Shannon
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hector Hall and the DC universe (was: Re: Sandam
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:10:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB


Hold on a second, here this thread is going a bit out of control.

The JSA shouldn't go after Dream, because it would simply make a bad story.
But tossing that aside, how would they?

Well the JSA has some pretty heavy duty magical guns.  Dr. Fate, the Spectre,
and perhaps even Green Lantern would be up to the task.  But would they?  Of
course not!  Dream isn't a god at all, but the personification of dreams.
They would know that is not a super-villian to fight.

What this thread is completely ignoring is that the Sandman is a member of the
JSA.  Gaiman very deliberately had this in mind when he created the book.
So even ignoring the Hector/Lyta issue, he should clear up the 
relationship between Wesley Dodds and the Dreaming.  With Wes currently in a
hospital bed, it would be easy for Gaimen to do a story with him dreaming 
without any hyped up crossover.

In any case, Hector Hall deserves better than to simply vanish away into the
dead ( especially since he never really died ).  I do hope they retcon that
away soon.  This can be done in a story dealing with the Silver Scarab and
Dr. Hastor, and without Morpheous.


						Jim Perreault
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:00:13 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <BswHLL.72x@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.040403.28897@u.washington.edu> phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus) writes:
>
>>     This really has me curious; what exactly is it about comic book protection
>>that makes it such a forbidden topic, even among those who do it?
>
>Possibly it's because the primary reason for using a bag is to preserve the
>comic's resale value.  Therefore, if you use one, you seem to be  interested
>in money rather than reading.  If you'd rather read it than sell it, a bag 
>just gets in the way. 

Baloney, it's just one reason.  I'm terrible about bagging comics, but if I
hadn't bagged my older, they'd all be destroyed by now, instead of just some
of them :^), I've got a few bagged that don't have covers, because they're
falling apart.  I have no intention of selling anything bagged, if I don't
want it it's not going to be bagged.  I also know my favorite covers will
dinged up if they're unprotected.  As far as being a pain when you reread
them, I don't reread things over again that often.  If they're on cheap
paper (like early Swampy or Miracleman) I'll generally buy a TPB and put
up with possible color problems, it's handier anyway.  The things I reread
are generally also the ones I'd like to protect, and the first re-read is
generally when it happens.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Are you looking for the motherlode?
 No, my child, this is not my desire.  I'm diggin' for fire."
   --- the Pixies
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
............................................................


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From: sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: News from San Diego
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.091815.6864@teetot.acusd.edu> jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
>Oh, and I finally met Tom Galloway, the Marc Lynx guy (oops, sorry,
>there. Forgot your name already), Catherine something-or other the
>Canadian (boy, I'm doing well, aren't I? Forgive me, it is 2 am, and I 
>should be
>sleeping with me teddy now) and Kathy Li (who bloody well lives in San Diego
>like I do, but it's still the first time we've met). 

What?  No mention of me?  *sob*  You really know how to hurt a guy.  I
was the one who really needed a haircut.

>The Death miniseries, by Neil Gaiman and Chris Pecello (sp?). Chris says 
>the story will be similar to Sandman, since it's Neil, and his art will 
>be more conservative, geared towards telling the story. The story, as 
>most net-types already know involves the legend that, once every hundred 
>years, Death becomes mortal for a day. The miniseries will be three 
>issues, each issue covering one day.

That's Bachalo, I think.  By the way, I bought a big sketch of Death 
from him, and she looks great.  The same basic face as Lenny and Kathy 
from Shade, but I don't mind.  8^)

--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
"And who might you be, sirrah?"  "I, foppish though I am, might be
  .... the Scarlet Pumpernickel?" -Sylvester (as Basil Rathbone)
  and Daffy Duck (as Errol Flynn), "The Scarlet Pumpernickel"
From: cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: RAC Shakeup DFANDOM is Born, and a question for whoever...
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:45:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia Business School

In article <1992Aug13.153450.28680@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
>Subject: Re: RAC Shakeup DFANDOM is Born, and a question for whoever...
>Date: 13 Aug 92 15:34:50 GMT

>sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

>>In article <1992Aug13.030053.305@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>> This will replace r.a.c. along with all the other r.a.c.stuff
>>>      rec.arts.comics.dvandom
>>Dave,
>>       I'm kinda hoping that this thread is true!  I mean I showed your
>>story to a bunch of teenage girls that my sister hangs out with and they
>>went bonkers!  ( OK it wasn't YOUR story, but nonetheless you are becoming
>>a rac icon! (The story I refer to is "The Day the Earth Cringed" (Ship of
>>Fools (by Michael Molinsky (BTW how is he!? (In Idaho still? (I wonder how
>>many parenthesis I can nest before I crash this thing!  ( Its starting to
>>look like a LISP program ( if you don't understand what LISP is then you
>>are blessed! (and why should you ! (this is rac.misc (rec.arts.comics.misc 
>>(Right?  (Now where was I ( oh gotta unparenthisize this whole mess (I
>>guess I should start now! ))))))))))))))))  Did I get them all? 

>    You should use Emacs. It would balance all of your parenthesis for
>you.

>--
>-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
>                   "A clear case of curare poisoning
>               of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
>                                                   -- Durlock Holmes
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Melmoth (was re: M&D 10)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:51:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.023155.3531@math.ucla.edu>, sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.224214.24610@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
> >In article <Bt7IBt.FBt@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
> >> 
> >> Ha!  Maybe this will finally silence the heretical "One-Oscar" school!
> >> Bwah-hah-hah!  :-)
> >
> >It does.  But it also begs the question that maade me think the two Oscars
> >had to be the same person:
> >- What's the point of MELMOTH?

You know, this would be a good question for Dave.  Would you please write it
down, Mr. Ottaviani (sp)?

>  My guess is that Sim just became fascinated with Oscar Wilde, and couldn't
> keep him out of "Cerebus."  There isn't any "point;" it's just something
> Sim wanted to do.  I don't mind, though; it's Sim's book, and I enjoyed 
> "Melmoth."  *shrug*

Oh, it was good, but it didn't link plot-wise with the rest of the story.
Ah well.

>  If there's any justice in the world, somebody will use a Sim-a-like in 
> some future work of fiction.

:-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:05:54 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.211920.21179@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:

>I don't think Julius is dead.  Call it a hunch.

Ok, I reread this issue and am of the same belief.  We see a 'swing' which
could easily be someone chopping the "Eye in the Pyramid" soldier in half as
well as the soldier chopping Lord Julius in half or even a parody of
Wayne's World (ugh)....


>Not to mention the business about the "Tarim" coins.  We now know why those
>coins in the swamp have magical power to them.

You're right.  I forgot to mention this.


>Dirty Fleagle McGrew and Dirty Drew McGrew.  They became Roach accolytes
>in the later half of CHURCH & STATE, but their best appearances were in
>HIGH SOCIETY.

And to be quoted as someone who takes Dave too seriously: does anyone know
any possible significance to the 89-day probation term?  

>
>I thought it was obvious the Cirinist set it on fire.

Ok, I looked at the art again and I must have been sleeping before.

>
>> Furthermore, who is the prisoner who whispers
>> "Posey! no! NO!"?  It could be Oscar...but I'm not sure.
>
>Didn't Posey refer to him as "Oscar"?

Ok, he does refer to the figure with Oscar's features (the panel showing
only his mouth and chin) as Oscar, but the other panel with a figure
(showing eye and mouth, I believe) looked like a worn down Oscar (maybe)
from his time in prison.  That's all I was referring to.  Do we have a 
definite knowledge of how much time has passed between Jaka's Story and
the present, btw?  I think the timeline that was sent to the net didn't
have a definite date (I don't have my copy handy).

>
>> And how, btw, should Oscar ever have known Posey?  Coincidence?
>
>Both were sentenced to two years hard labor.  They come from the same
>geographical area (Iest), so it makes sense that both were sent to the
>same prison camp.

You're right: this would follow the Cirinist's past behavior (shown in
Jaka's Story).  I thought it was funny: remember, Oscar of Jaka's Story
never *really* saw Cerebus (only one of the like-alooks of Julius).  That
they should for some reason be friends in prison I found highly coincidential.
Then again, one might think that Posey is the type of person who would be 
befriended by Oscar, anyway (he's a nice person, as Rick was.  Well, kind of).

--dave
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: edwick@chaucer.uucp (25818-colbert)
Subject: Re: grendel
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston ,NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:51:13 GMT

In <1992Aug13.153203.28466@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>    Hopefully, Dark Horse will be releasing TPBs for the other chapters
>in the Grendel Saga. I think it would be cool to have compilations of
>the 2 that dealt with Orian Assante, aka the Grendel Kahn.
>
>    For those of you who are new to the story, all I can really say is
>read and try to go with the flow until DH starts reprinting the TPBs in
>the next year or so. 

   Wait, I'm confused.  Has Dark Horse promised to reprint TPBs already
or is this just wishful thinking?  From the first paragraph, I would
think that Grendel TPBs from Dark Horse are wishful thinking, but the
second makes it sound like it's a certainty.

   Since it's Dark Horse publishing Grendel now, can we expect a Grendel
vs. Predator miniseries?

-- Ed
"Most of the things that `Everybody Knows' are wrong.
 The rest are merely unreliable."
		-- Neil Gaiman, _Black Orchid_
edwick@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com	The above not the opinions of Bellcore, etc.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: New Titans #91
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:50:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Oh, for crying out loud!  Why is it that every time Donna undergoes
a major change she feels this compulsion to get a new costume?

And why is it that every time a character succumbs to megalomania,
the first thing to go is a command of normal language?

And when did it start being a premise that every time superheroes get
annoyed with each other they lash out physically, with their deadly powers?

And can we assume that that's Nightwing-prime on page six?  (If it is,
he's doomed, since there doesn't seem to be room in the Titans universe
for two Nightwings.  This isn't the thirtieth century, after all.)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Re: Rumor:  Alan Moore at Image?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:14:56 GMT


I sincerely hope that if this is true, Moore won't shake hands with
Liefield as there will be a catastrophic explosion;)
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
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