HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: csquared@nyx.cs.du.edu(C Squared)
Subject: Re: Gary Stollman For President...
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:31:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.162256.9659@gozer.mv.com> klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:
>kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>
>> [alt.alien.visitors]
>> In article <92225.045414ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>> >
>> >Gee, maybe the government or the greys took his modem away.
>
>> Gary, if you'd like to help take back control from the government, I'm
>> running for president (see alt.politics.kibo.)  Would you like to be my
>> running mate?  (I asked Mike Jittlov, but he seems to be busy.  You're
>> every bit as energetic, and I see energy as the prime quality necessary
>> to properly confuse the media.)
>
>> 							-- Kibo
>
>Hey!  I thought that Sy Sperling was going to be your running mate!?

Gawd! you're WAY behind.  Get with the program.  Just cuz your wife has a baby
you think you can slip a little?  Jeez.

C Squared
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:57:20 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes:
> >kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
> 
> >I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such >circles. There is no reason for it.  
> 
> Try realizing that there is more that you don't know than there is that
> you do know. Most reasons are beyond our comprehension.

With that kind of remark, we won't go very far. So we should take the crop circles as complete
mysteries (or equivalently as alien spaceships, as we cannot understand their true motives), and
not wonder any further ? I wouln't say there's no reason for crop circles, but the same as
kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com  says:


> >Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get
  >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would >leave no such "evidence."
> 
> If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
> influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
> on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
>   

YES, DEFINITLY YES. I think the "Prime Directive" argument of Star Trek could
apply to aliens as well. Besides, if the aliens really didn't care, they would
land randomly. Too bad they never land in center city. 


JM.
From: dangaio@cats.ucsc.edu (The One Who Must Be Kept)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:53:06 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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you make references to these "signs"... 

could someone give me a list of the frequent "signs"
and what is usually associated with them.

- Tom Fox
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Disinformation Agents at Work?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:23:42 GMT


In article <l8h448INNhvg@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland) writes...
>More interesting than wondering whether contributors to this group are part of
>a government or ET disinformation campaign is to speculate on what the possible
>motives for such a campaign might be. Persons inclined to be suspicious of the
>good intentions of government people might attribute such a campaign to:

I find it interesting too. :-)

>1) Expectation on the part of the power elite that disclosure of alien visitation
>will jeopardize their positions, so that they need to cover it up to protect
>their interests; or
> 
>2) Expectation on the part of a fascist cabal that if they are allowed to work
>in secret, they can obtain alien technology that they can use to gain world
>power.
> 
>However, those who are more inclined to think government types are mostly nice
>guys most of the time might think the motives are:
> 
>3) Concern that premature disclosure would upset and demoralize people and
>destabilize society, disturb economic and technical progress, and generally
>make things worse for everybody; or
> 
>4) Concern that we are an alien experiment and that if we find out we are and
>begin behaving differently as a result of that knowledge, we will lose our
>value as scientific subjects and be terminated.
> 
>Better ignorant and alive than enlightened and dead? Could explain a few things.
>It least it could be the cover story used to motivate government agents.
> 
>It is also interesting to ask why government or ET agents bother trying to
>perpetrate a coverup that is important enough to kill for while at the same
>time trying to avoid using lethal methods. What is holding them back? Could it
>be that no one knows who all the players are in this game, or what the rules
>are, or who is really making the rules?

Yes.. it could be that indeed. 

>The next time you encounter someone you suspect of being a disinformation
>agent, you might ask him if he *really* knows who he is working for, or what
>his mission *really* is. Whether human or ET, he can't be entirely sure of
>anything, and in that we may have some common ground.
> 

But that's the way The Games are played. :-)

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From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone)
Subject: K2 Transmissions--"Whistlers", Maybe?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:50:50 GMT
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Is it possible that the bizzaro noises supposedly
heard were atmospheric "Whistlers" from distant
lightning-strikes?  The latest issue of "Science Probe"
magazine discusses their origins and detection, and
the descriptions of the noises they make sound sort
of similar to what the K2 people describe.  I admit,
though, the article says that they are best heard in
the Kilocycle range.

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:51:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

The transmission that was taped was probably someone using packet radio or 
some other type of telemetry.  I don't see how they can definitively identify 
the signal as an alien signal, or even speculate that it is.

Mike

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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:35:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <63914@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Tom: Your right the earth could have grown by 800 or 852 miles.
>It think it hasn't grown that much. The earth should live to an age of 
>72.9 trillion years. This information came from T. Lobsang Rampa while
>he was talking to a person on another planet. The dust fact did come
>from a conventional Astronomer. Planets are usually destroyed as part of 
>a super nova and then they start over again as part of something else.

Not by a long shot John,  the majority of stars are not massive enough
to become supernovae.  All will however become red giants, this _will_
vaporize the innermost planets in a system, but the outer planets will
be unaffected.

>Now let me give you another fact. The Earth's resonate frequency is 8.3
>cycles per second (which varies a little due to certain factors).  I wear
>a watch that has a transmitter in it that puts out a wave of energy at
>about the same frequency as the Earth resonant frequency. This shields
>me from ELF (extremely low frequency) radiation.  John Winston.

Why would one worry about natural radiation below the optical band?  There
are no natural sources (on the Earth) of radiation in this energy range 
intense enough for your body to be effected.  All the man made sources I can
think of, microwaves, radio station, TV stations et cetera are harmless.  
If your going to worry about natural sources of radiation I'd think UV from
the sun should rank pretty high.  The key here is low frequency=low energy.
Radiation in this range is not ionizing, which is what makes it dangerous.

BTW what is the reference for this ELF radiation from the Earth?

Ithlial

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:00:15 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <12564@ecs.soton.ac.uk> of@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Fibre Optics) writes:
>Obviously I can't _prove_ anything to you but I know several that were
>created by humans last year. I know the guys that made them.
>

Did they let you watch them create them?  Or did you just take their
word on it?

Actually, it's far easier to prove a human made a crop circle than it
has been to prove an alien (or Plasma, or Bigfoot, or whatever) created
one.

Yes, mine was a rhetorical question.  

And my point, all along, is that while some of the circles have apparently
been made by men, no one has yet to prove that men made all of them.  Those
that dismiss crop circles as being man-made may be hastily dismissing
some that originate from other sources.

We can dance around semantics all day...  you'll not convice me that
men created all of the circles.  There will always be room for doubt, at least
until something else steps forward as an obvious explanation.

Rick  :-)
-- 
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: PROJECT BLUEBOOK SOLICITATION
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:41:14 EDT


>From: Elite Enterprises <elite@igc.apc.org>

>If you would like to receive these ASCII PBB files on a weekly basis for an
> indefinite time period, I will send them by e-mail (4 times a month) for
> $8/month. I know that seems way too low for this service but you need the
> information at a fair price to both parties. Remember, PBB is over 90
> micro-fiche rolls! You will be guaranteed at least 10 ASCII PBB files every
> month. These ASCII PBB files will be from PBB ONLY (and not from other
> sources)!

Excuse me, but isn't soliciting over the Internet unethical/illegal? Isn't
using the Internet to distribute solicited materil also illegal?
(Note the shareware doesn't fall under this category since no payment
is actually required to receive the product).

Also, use the <RETURN> or <ENTER> key every 70-80 characters or so....

-Garrett

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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:03:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163542.14900@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski) writes:
> In <1992Aug13.191152.2719@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) writes:
> 
>>Here's another interesting thing from the Crop Circle Communique video:
>>Some German students managed to videotape a small white disk flying through
>>a crop formation in the middle of the day, then ascending into the air and
>>disappearing.  This is clearly visible in the video.  Once again, no one
>>can explain it.
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> Several people have explained it, long before the video became
> widely-circulated.  I have a copy.  I share the opinion of many people
> that the object (which is not a white disc at all, but an oblong blob)
> is more likely a piece of paper being tossed about by the wind, hence
> its erratic behaviour and darting in and out among the tops of the
> plants.
> 
> No, I am not a skeptic or debunker.  I'm a cerealogist.  But because I
> can explain some of the alleged effects and formations does not mean I
> discount the entire phenomenon.  What I can say is that the video is
> nor proof that Andrews' theory (or Meaden's, for that matter) is
> supported by the evidence.  What we can say is that there are
> unexplained observations and effects, but NO theory so far proposed
> seems satisfactory.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Chris, does that include your own theory that the object is a "piece of
paper"?

Lou

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer)
Subject: Re: Whitley Strieber
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.052434.18684@u.washington.edu> Bob Jacobson <rcj@u.washington.edu> writes:
>I heard that Whitley Strieber, author of the books "Communion" and
>"Transformation", admitted that they were all made up.  Can someone
>confirm this?

Well, I haven't heard that, but I can give you my *opinion* of his credibility
level. (I've only read _Communion_.) After about the first couple of chapters,
it rapidly spiralled downwards toward zero. Some interesting points:

1. Gee, he just happened, by coincidence, to be by trade an author of
   sensational pot-boiler horror novels (_The Wolfen_, and I think
   _The Hunger_, etc.) before being so fortunate as to have a *real* potboiler
   horror experience to write about and increase sales.
2. The hypnosis sessions with his wife showed that in truth, she didn't
   remember a darn thing about this "aliens in the bedroom" crap. She also said
   under hypnosis that Whitley is not a down-to-earth, level-headed guy.
3. He started making claims of being abducted multiple times in one day, as if
   their beaming down into his bedroom every night were not bad enough
   already. Those nasty aliens just wouldn't leave him alone for one minute.
4. He got into a lot of pscho-religious babble at the end of the book, sounding
   like he wants to start a cult to worship the wonderful aliens.
5. Whitley pursues publicity like a madman. This is the single most important
   defining feature of a typical "contactee" (see next paragraph). Note that
   one book wasn't enough, better make it two. And postings on this board have
   told of his frequent talk-show appearances, etc.

Overall, Whitley sounds like a modern rehash of the 1950's "contactees" --
people who made wild (obviously false) claims of contact with aliens and tended
to glamorize them ala Whitley. "The aliens are here to save us from ourselves,
and I am their spokesperson" type stuff. So it's not even a new idea --
Strieber just had to wait 30 years for people to forget George Adamski et al
and then tell the same old stories again. Voila -- millions of copies sold.

If he isn't making it all up consciously, then his subconscious mind probably
is. Either way, I don't buy it.

For a much more credible abduction story, try reading _The Interrupted Journey_
by John G. Fuller (about Barny and Betty Hill). Their story at least has none
of the five above-mentioned points connected with it. (They even tried to keep
it from becoming public knowledge, succeeding for several years before a
reporter got wind of it. Once that happened, they felt it was best to set the
record straight by letting Fuller write his book, since the reporter's version
was much removed from reality.) The aliens didn't even magically materialize in
their bedroom or come back to harass them again and again like they do to poor
Whitley. 

-- 
Kevin Cherkauer
cherkaue@cs.wisc.edu

Disclaimer: The above opinions are solely the responsibility of my owners.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:00:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <3351@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>In article <-z9mvpd.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>That's about all that can be posted to the net.
>That's my point.  
>
>Considering that you can't send proof through the net, I'd be willing
>to look at your sources, newspaper and book citations.

Considering that you can't send proof on the net it seems rather silly
to demand it.
 
>What are your sources for believing that all the
>crop circles were created by man alone?

See below.
 
>My contention is that it's an assumption by you (and others) that men
>created all of them.

No, this is your assumption. I have said nothing at all about crop circles,
except that they -have- been made by men before. Why is it that the
assumptions of others are important, and your own are not?
 
>>What would you accept as proof?
>
>If you're trying to prove that any individual crop circle was created
>by an individual, indeed that can be staged.  Most any proof would be
>adequate.  If you've got a picture, VHS tape, etc, I'll provide you
>my address.

I have no such proof, and could care less. It's about as valuable as proof
that humans can bake cakes, or do anything that humans do all the time.
 
>For the concept that man created ALL of the crop circles...
>I'll accept that if you can validate that, say 51% of the crop circles
>since 1950 were created by humans, I'd accept that most of the crop
>circles were created by humans.  Confessions, close examination of
>the circles, photos of men making circles and other such proof would
>be fine.  And others have pointed out you won't be able to prove they were
>ALL created by man.

I could care less really, I just pointed out that your demands were
absurd. Do you think that one extreme justifies another? Do you have
any evidence (opps -proof-) that crop circles were created by aliens?
Keep in mind that it does not follow that because "all crop circles
were not made by humans", they were made by aliens/spaceships/whatever.
The question of their origin is still open IMHO.

And I really doubt that you are in a position to provide what you
demand, -proof-. But you can always surprise me. :^)
 
>Rick
>-- 
>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.

Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Public Opinion Poll.
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I think the public is a good thing.

Big Al.  GOTTA start readin' rec.humor huh?  "Yes Al, but for God's sake
don't post anything!!"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:29:25 GMT

In article <14113@mindlink.bc.ca> Greg_Goss@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Goss) writes:
>Nothing kills a controversy faster than humour.
>
>Everyone in North America (TV ads) knows that crop circles are made by enormour
>peanut butter/chocolate snack morsels.
>
>.../greg
>
>--
>"say NO to four-line sigs"     greg_goss@mindlink.bc.ca

Well, yeah! That means that the real mystery is who eats all that peanutbutter
and chocolate???!!! Maybe Hershey was an alien. Makes you wonder, doesn't it. 

...Hmmmmm...nah.

Gregg.
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens that smoke???
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:32:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

kevin@andorra.Berkeley.EDU (Kev) writes:

>             and that smoking is not allowed on inter-stellar
>             spacecraft"
>          Can anyone shed some more light on this matter?

	--Sure. That re-entry can be a real bitch, you know....  :-)

Duane
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Book: The Bible and UFOs (can you help?)
Keywords: bible, UFO
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:35:25 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug20.174852.1376@mksol.dseg.ti.com> 
degroot@mksol.dseg.ti.com (doug degroot) writes:
>
>I am trying to find what appears to be an obviously out of print book. I found
>this book in the Merridian, Mississippi library, of all places, while selling
>Bibles in Mississippi the summer I graduated from high school. The book was
>entitled something like "The Bible and UFOs" or "UFOs and the Bible" or 
>whatever.

I read this!!!  It's 'UFOs & the Bible'.  Found it in a used book store, bought
it for a quarter.  Unfortunately I no longer have it :-(.  I'd say used book 
stores are your best bet.

He covers all the usual von Daniken stuff - pillars of fire, wheels within 
wheels, etc.  But then when he gets to the New Testiment he gets really funky,
and says Jesus was a Space Alien, and babbles about 'Resurrection Universes'.
Fun stuff.

	RA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Landing on thw White House lawn
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:59:22 GMT

keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
: 
: Now, obviously that aliens, if they exist, do not want us to know that they
: are here, right?  Or else they would just land on the White House lawn like
: in that moive (you know the one).  So why would an alien that is intelligent

Maybe they don't like the idea of the USAF shooting them down, as happened
in that other movie.

: Now, we have documented cases in which exact such circles have been created 
: by hoaxsters.  Why the need for some supernatural explanation?  The "guys
: with plank" theory seems to work perfectly.  Until we see more evidence that
: indicates that this theory is not sufficient to explain the phenomenon, I 
: see no use to propose something fantastic.
: 
: My mind is closed you say?  No, I admit that there is a very very remote
: possibility that there are very dumb aliens out there.  I suppose it could
: be like the nutty professor who concots the GUT but then locks his keys in his
: car.  I sincerely doubt though that aliens would overlook this footprint.
: Show be an alien creating a crop circle, and I will believe that aliens 
: create them.

Maybe there exist alien pranksters?
-- 
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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:13:29 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64093@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>My teacher and Guru had a hillbilly friend that wore overalls from
>Missouri by the name of Buck Nelson. 

No foolin'?  His overalls were named Buck Nelson?  :-)

	RA

(sorry folx - it's been a long day)
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Wanted: Linguist expert
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:01:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Planet: I got mixed up and put answer to your questain on the 
next article that is called "Question.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:04:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say anything.
John Winston.
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