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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:02:27 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug18.033717.13510@news.columbia.edu>, gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.004116.42389@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>The form pronounced "axe" for "ask" is the original form.  Cf. Old
>>English _acsian_, i.e. /aksjan/ 'to ask.'  As often happens, an early
>>form remains here in the dialects.  It is the standard variants that
>>underwent the metathesis, or reversal, of the two consonants.
> 
> I really have to wonder if the "axe" in Black English Vernacular is really
> derived from _acsian_ or if it's just laziness in pronouncing "ask."

Note that Yash Holbrook (14945 17 Aug) noticed "axe" for "ask" in
Chaucer (I wonder if you found examples, Yash?) so I think it's very
likely this is a relic, not an innovation.

It certainly is not restricted to BEV; and I thought "laziness" as an 
explanation for things like this went out with the Model T :-(.
If you mean naturalness, nobody so far on this thread has given any evidence
that word-final KS is really a natural development from word-final SK.

	- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Less versus Fewer: Victory?
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:05:16 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <dian.714260521@egg.gg.caltech.edu> dian@druggist.gg.caltech.edu (Dian  De Sha) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.180224.18049@Princeton.EDU> roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug19.092539.3607@desire.wright.edu> 
>>thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug18.165856.13240@Princeton.EDU>, 
>>>roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Aug18.163433.6659@midway.uchicago.edu> 
>>>goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>>>but on the other you want to make sure we toe the rules you seem partial to. 
>                                            ^^^

>[Sorry not to omit more, but I lose track of whose >> is whose]

Sure wasn't me.

>Interesting mixture here.  I have always been curious (sorry if it has already
>been hashed out in this group) whether this is from "tow the line," as in 
>pulling a barge along, or "toe the line," as in everyone getting themselves 
>aligned so that a race can start fairly.  It's one of those that you hear
>and hear, and then wonder how to spell, and what it came from.

"toe the mark" or "toe the line" refers to the runner's adherence to the
rules at the start of the race.

SOURCES:  AHD, Evans and Evans.

Roger

>Any definitive explanations out there?
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: ccjal@cc.newcastle.edu.au (John A Lambert)
Subject: Re: The Great Debate : Clarifications (LONG)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.224525.13872@mlacus.oz.au>, ash@mlacus.oz.au (Ash Nallawalla) writes:
> colville@socs.uts.edu.au (John Colville) writes:
> 
>>They are pronounced differently by *most* people in Australia. Some I wonder
>>kil-om-e-ter by comparing it with therm-om-e-ter.
> 
> The interesting metric variant of "mileage" in our company's claim forms
> is "kilometerage".  What is the variant of mile-o-meter (unsure of
> spelling)?
> -- 
> =============================================================================
> Ash Nallawalla		Tel: +61 3 550-1638 BH; Fax +61 3 742-4566 
> ZL4LM/VK3CIT		Postal: P.O. Box 539, Werribee VIC 3030, Australia
> ash@mlacus.oz.au        Contact me if you belong to a PC User Group!
-- 
What's a `mile-o-meter'?. Or do you mean an odometer (i.e. the meter which
records how far you have travelled. In the olden days this used to record in
miles; now in kilometres and tenths.)

When `fuel consumption' was asked for in the distant past, what was meant was
`What was your distance achievment, i.e. how many miles did you drive
on a gallon?' (It's so long since I've written that word that it looks funny.)

These days what is measured is `fuel consumption'; how many litres were
consumed in driving 100 km?

John A Lambert
Centre for Literary and Linguistic Computing
The University of Newcastle NSW 2308 Australia

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.221445.172@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Foreign phrases always get mangled when borrowed.  It's just a mat-
>ter of degree.  We don't pronounce "et cetera" in a particularly
>Latin-like manner (even late Latin, I might add).  Nor do the lib-
>erated souls who pronounce it "ek cetera."

True, but "ek cetera" and "asterix" are just sloppy english, not some
old form hanging on.


--
Gabe Wiener - Columbia Univ.     "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings 
gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu       to be seriously considered as a means of 
N2GPZ in ham radio circles        communication. The device is inherently of
72355,1226 on CI$                 no value to us." -Western Union memo, 1877
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: questions questions
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:09:23 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid):
:Oh, I could care less.

I'm sorry you care so much.  You should perhaps work on caring 
less that you might lead a less stressful life.

For the humor-impaired, I'm commenting that she said "could" when 
it would appear that she meant "couldn't".

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
    Pereant, inquit, qui ante nos nostra dixerunt.
    "Confound those who have said our remarks before us."
		    -- Aelius Donatus
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Asses
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:38:01 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

scjones@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.133244.25505@dg-rtp.dg.com>, cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
>> Oh, and off the subject, thank you *so* much for spelling "piqued" properly.
>> I get so weary of reading about people who have had their curiosity "peeked"
>> or "peaked".

>Don't let it get you down, it's a mute point, anyway.
>
MUTE POINT??!! It's a basic tenant of my philosophy.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Bill, him and me's arthurs.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:34:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.183212.20245@newshost.lanl.gov> ttw@beta.lanl.gov (Tony Warnock) writes:

"There's not a man I meet but doth salute me,
"As if I were their well acquainted friend;..."

--Comedy of Errors, IV,iii,1-2

And, no, it's not a minor character speaking, but Antipholus of
Syracuse, one of the high-born brothers.

Roger
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov (Daniel A. Asimov)
Subject: Goes, Like, and Descriptive Dictionaries
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:47:12 GMT

In article <170mn7INN7cn@agate.berkeley.edu> windsor@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Katherine Windsor) writes:
>
>Better still is the use of "like," as in:  "Well, I was like 'no way,'
>but it didn't matter.  He was like 'you've just gotta.'"  
	[...]
>Golly.  I'm frightened.
>

Incidentally, some new dictionaries claim to be "descriptive" of what 
current usage is, without making judgments as to the correctness of these
usages.  In particular, I'm thinking of Random House's
"Webster's College Dictionary," which came out about a year ago.

But this dictionary omits reference to the usage of "go" discussed 
in this thread ("and I go, 'Whaddya talkin' about?'") or the usage of
"like" mentioned above [aside: although used in discussing past events,
both this "go" and this "like" are used in the context of the present
tense quite frequently, as in "Last night he goes, 'Get outta here,' 
and I'm like, 'Whaddya talkin' about?'"] entirely.  As well as omitting
(for which I am thankful) the confusion of "its" with "it's,"
"there" with their", ekc.

To be fair, I should mention that this dictionary does include
the usage of "go" as in "The gun goes bang."  But this is a clearly 
distinct nuance, IMHO.  

However, I think these major omissions give the lie to the pretense
that this dictionary is making a sincere effort to be descriptive.
Comments?

--Daz



Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston)
Subject: Re: X-ray or X-Ray
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht,  The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:12:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.185339.7299@news.iastate.edu>, lsiwek@ref1.cnde.iastate.edu (elizabeth siwek) writes:
|> What is the proper way to refer to x-rays?
|> 
|> Do you capitalize the word, X-ray or X-Ray?
|> Should X always be capitalized?
|> Is there a difference (in capitalization of X), if you are refering to an x-ray
|> beam or an X-ray (film/radiograph)?
|> It is an x-ray, not a x-ray, right?
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> Elizabeth

Well, I can answer for astronomers at least: the convention is to always use
"X-ray", capitalising the "X" but not the "r". I can't tell you about usage for 
the film/radiograph, as I only deal with the photons! And yes, it's "an
X-ray".

-- 
Helen Johnston       | Astronomye is an harde thynge and yvel forto knowe.
johnston@fys.ruu.nl  |      -- William Langland, Piers the Plowman
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Guesstimates
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:25:11 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Aug16.121920.13101@athena.mit.edu>, dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.214316.679@mala.bc.ca>,
> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>>A portmanteau word in the spirit of "guesstimate" is "absitively",
>>a blend of "absolutely" and "positively."
> 
> Yes, except that no one takes "absitively" seriously whereas some people
> deliberately use "guesstimate" and expect to be understood.  Do you?
> 
No, I consider both of them to be equally silly.  I once had a math
teacher who used "guesstimate," but English was not his first language.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: Quote or simile for "success"?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.202328.3991@igor.tamri.com>, viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge) writes:
> 
> 	In closing this is a wonderful group, a group of
> 	caring, fun loving, intelligent, and determined
> 	people who are willing to get things done. 
> 	They give meaning to the word "success."
> 
> Yawn-"they give meaning to the word "success."
> 
> I need a quote or maybe a simile. I haven't found one that
> fits however. Can you help?

More context needed.  Was it also a wonderful group before closing?

Peter.
Xref: sparky alt.usage.english:6588 sci.lang:6535
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:12:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug18.034046.13646@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.221445.172@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Foreign phrases always get mangled when borrowed.  It's just a mat-
>>ter of degree.  We don't pronounce "et cetera" in a particularly
>>Latin-like manner (even late Latin, I might add).  Nor do the lib-
>>erated souls who pronounce it "ek cetera."
>
>True, but "ek cetera" and "asterix" are just sloppy english, not some
>old form hanging on.

More moralism.  Get used to it: they're an evolution of pronunciation.
Who knows? they may become standard.  Or not.  Either way, there's very
little at risk.

Or is that "rist"?

Roger
From: segr@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Read)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Thought without language?
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:01:51 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

>Coming upon phrases in this group such as, "Sloppy language leads to
>sloppy thinking,"

Don't you think (to the group really) that it's the other way around?
That those people who don't really think about thinking, don't really
think about language either? Because their thoughts are not very
precise they don't hunt for shades of meaning, they don't want to
resolve the ambiguities in what they write or say, and hence take no
interest in their language.

>Is rational thinking possible without language?
>I don't think this is quite a "chicken and the egg" type question,

First of all let's get the thorny issue of a definition for "rational
thought" out of the way. I'm not going to propose one as I've no idea
where to start. An interesting definition in Douglas Hofstadter's
book "The Mind's I [sic]" is in terms of symbolic reasoning, and
attributes rational thought to ant colonies (though not to the
individual ants). So there!

Second of course is: "What's language?". Spoken and written
communication isn't enough, otherwise sign language (a real distinct
language) would be ruled out. So then how about chemical
communication by say pheromones (as with the ant colony)?

Then we have to see how you might go about *demonstrating* that you are
thinking rationally without using language (of any sort!).

Hmmm. I'm just not clever enough to sort that lot out.

Simon Read
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Mail to: Simon.Read@umist.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: "Route" for yall!
From: thayes@desire.wright.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:23:07 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <BsvFx2.28K@wpi.WPI.EDU>, 
padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
> I move we make "yall" the proper second-person plural pronoun and
> be done with it.

Seconded.  All of yall in favor, send yall's votes to Peter for tabulation!

-----ted hayes
Xref: sparky alt.usage.english:6762 sci.lang:6612
From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a (sikth) question?
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:55:55 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

JAREA@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:

>I have always pronounced the second [f] in 'fifth', and would find it odd
>to do otherwise.  It would, of course, be silly to pronounch the following
>interdental fricative.  Thus I say [fIf grejd], i.e. 'fifth grade'.

It wouldn't be silly to pronounce the interdental fricative if you dropped
the preceding labio-dental fricative instead.  That assimilation seems more
natural to me.
--
   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.215050.22371@nas.nasa.gov>,
asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov (Daniel A. Asimov) writes:
>And I often hear "et cetera" pronounced "ek cetera."  (This is 
>mucus to my ears.)


Well, then "ek cetera, ek cetera, ek cetera" must be a full-blown head cold.


Dhanesh

[This post is dedicated to the King of Siam.]

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: greg.grainger@rose.com (greg grainger)
Subject: Re: Gender Benders!
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:39:56 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 08-21-92 01:34
On Aug 20, James Copeland wrote:

JC>All of this gender bender stuff has me asking the following question:
JC>Don't you hate it when people use the words "gender" and "sex" interchangably
JC>One example is when filling out forms which ask for your gender instead of
JC>your sex.
JC>If I am not mistaken, sex refers to the biological distinction between men
JC>and women, while gender refers to the sociological distinction between male
JC>and female.  There are few cases where the sex of an individual is in questio
JC>but gender is more of an arbitrary distinction along a continuum. Thus you
JC>can have masculine women and feminine men.

Some wise person (I wish I could remember who) once said, 'Nouns have
gender; people have sex.'

So there.


                                                Cheers,
                                                Greg.


Greg Grainger
Toronto, Ontario.
1:22:30 am, Fri 08-21-1992.
greg.grainger@rose.com

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From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Australian English
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:35:22 GMT

I just had to tell you all: I have just had an upgrade to the desktop
publishing software I use (Interleaf).  Until now, it gave me two
dictionary options, British English and American English.  Now the
choices come up as "American English" and "Australian English".  This
is a major boost to the recognition of our language.

It probably doesn't mean that British English has been scrapped.
As I understand it, the Interleaf people offer their product with
two on-line dictionaries: American English (the presumption is that
everyone needs that) and one foreign language.
-- 
Peter Moylan                      eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:55:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University

roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>>>Why teach grammar?  Good question.  Shakespeare did just fine without
>>>it.  So did the writers of the KJV.

>>I'm glad you're not running the school system.  

>Why ?  Is it suddenly working or something?

>>I guess we shouldn't teach
>>score preparation to music students and we shouldn't teach mathematical 
>>notation to engineers.  

>Don't be silly.  Nowhere did I say we shouldn't teach students to
>communicate.  But knowing what a limiting clause is has little to do
>with effective communication.  Most people who communicate effectively
>don't know what a limiting clause is.

Sorry for hopping into the middle of a discussion.  (I rarely read
usenet.)  I'm confused about what we're talking about here.  Are we
really talking about grammar?  People don't learn their native grammar
in school.  By the time they're in school, they already know their grammar.
It is acquired naturally by osmosis.  If there's a need to study grammar
in school, it's a different grammar -- a foreign language or dialect.
Or are we talking about studying descriptive grammar from a linguist's
point of view -- i.e., describing scientifically (or as scientifically
as possible) what it is that native speakers already know on an unconscious
level?  Or could it be that we're really not talking about grammar at all --
that we're talking about usage/style/rhetoric/etc.? 
--
   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: "Route"
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:07:52 GMT
	<1992Aug11.235503.26716@athena.mit.edu>
	<1992Aug13.094655.16873@osf.org>
	<1992Aug13.123519.17827@athena.mit.edu>
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
In-reply-to: dks@athena.mit.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 12:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.123519.17827@athena.mit.edu>, dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:

> [This post is dedicated to the memory of John Cage.]

Do you suppose he's stubled onto the ultimate expression
of minimalism?  At least he won't be throwing tacks into
the piano anymore.
--
----
Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Less versus Fewer... time to give up?
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:08:16 GMT
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

In article <1969@sdrc.COM> scjones@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) writes:
>
>[ This posting is donated to Dhanesh for appropriate dedication. ]


Sorry, I've been grounded and am on my best behavior.
But thanks for the thought!


Toodles,
Dhanesh

[]
From: jss6@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: testing  again.......
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:32:11 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

testing 1
testing 2
testing 3
From: news@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: Welcome to alt.text.dwb
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:03:00 GMT


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From: jss6@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: file posting
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

Hi everyone, I'm kinda new on this channel but it seemed to be the ideal place

to post this...

     Does anyone out there know how to post a file from within your vax 

account?  Any and all help would be most graciously received.


                                                      Psycotically yours,

                                                        --the Shadowlord
             
   
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden)
Subject: Re: Parts/Manuals Needed
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.211716.26014@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, dkp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.pearson) writes:
> Greetins,
> 	I am trying to find Mechanical and Sheet Metal parts as well as
> shop manuals and parts books for the following vehicles:
> 
> 		39 Mack BX
> 		47 Mack LMU
> 		52 Mack L-85
> 		45 GMC AC-705
> 
> If you have anything let me know. I am also lookinkg for un-restored 
> pre-1950 Macks. Thanks.
> 
> 					Dave Pearson
> 					atmail!dpearson
> 
> *The opinions expressed do not reflect those of my employer.
> 

My suggestion would be to look through Hemmings Motor News for these
items.  You might also contact the American Truck Historical Society
located in Birmingham, AL (PO Box 531168) for a list of advertisers
that might have what you need.
From: mr4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Robe)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: 68 LTD 4-sale (Pittsburgh)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:09:08 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

For sale, asking $400: 

1968 Ford LTD, inspected 5-93

4-door sedan
white with black vinyl top
power steering
power front disk brakes
automatic transmission

302 cid (5.0 liter) V-8 engine
125,000 miles

good runner, but drinks lots of oil (about 1 quart/500 miles) and needs
new front left arm and bushing. 

Nice transportation, but I wouldn't dream of making it a restoration project.

If interested, please call Michel at (412) 268-5809 or (412) 362-7544 or
reply to mr4b@andrew.cmu.edu.

Calling hours: between 10.30 am and 3.00 am (yes, both am) Eastern time.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos