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From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: more birth data
Date: 14 Apr 1992 14:50:09 GMT
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx53.cis.brown.edu

When getting on the net right now I don't see my posting on 'interesting birth
data' that i posted yesterday.  Can anyone tell me if it was posted?  I didn't
keep a copy of what i wrote - what i sent was leona helmsley, ross perot, 
hillary clinton & barbara bush.  If someone has it could they email me a copy?
I would be very grateful, thanks.

This morning I heard the birthday of Rhode Island's most wanted man - Joe
Mollicone.  He was the president of the Heritage Bank that was instrumental in
the fall of RISDC and the credit unions in our state - last year.  
He was born 5/23/43.  No time or place but I assume it would be R.I.  This
chart has no squares with the basic planets.  I did a chart with the asteroids 
and tnp's and he has a t square with Hades, Moon, Jupiter.  He does have a
Mars/Neptune opposition and a Sun/Merc/Uranus conj. natally.  Doing the chart
for 6am, he as a 19 degree Capricorn moon.  When I go to UAC on Thurs, I do 
hope they have a few lectures on rectification.  

Regards, Carol
From: cahoon@cs.umn.edu (Forrest Clinton Cahoon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: modifying Astrolog
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:42:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr17.174207.14981
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

Well, thanks to Dave Casper's help, I think I understand the Astrolog
planetary routines well enough to implement the charts-from-other-
planets about which I recently posted.  Thanks, Dave!

Now, I probably won't be able to get to this very soon, because I am a
graduate student, and that gives me lots of other things I need to do,
but before I add this feature, I think it would be best to re-write
the existing code to do the following:

1)  Re-name all the variables from their cryptic BASIC-derived names to
    more descriptive ones.

2)  Carefully examine the scope of all the variables, and modify these
    as appropriate. (The BASIC code had to make everything global.  C
    doesn't, and shouldn't.)

3)  Not merely comment the code, but (as J. R. "Bob" Dobbs might say)
    comment the HELL out of it.

As Astrolog grows to be a wilder, hairier, more unruly beast, it is
crying out for this sort of housecleaning before many more features
are added.

Hey, I'll do it, if no one else will -- when I get time, of course.
However, I obviously need to co-ordinate my efforts with Walter Pullen
and everyone working on Astrolog.

How do we go about this, then?  (I suspect you will all agree on the
need for the measures I have listed above.)

On a related note, is there a formal "Astrolog wish list"?  I suppose
that most of you have been sending your ideas directly to Walter.  I'd
like to see a wish list start bouncing around here in alt.astrology,
so that, you know, our ideas can bounce off one another and take shape.
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|  Forrest Cahoon      | cahoon@cs.umn.edu |------------------------------|
|  850 21st Ave SE     |-------------------| Only unbalanced people       |
|  Mpls MN  55414-2514 |                   |        can tip the scales... |
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Blackmon)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Astrology Software
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:09:45 GMT

fkhan@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>I have several shareware catalogs at home with astrology programs that I can
>send you the addresses of tomorrow .. I also have several programs that I could
>copy and mail to you for about $10, plus disk and mailing costs -- I haven't
>looked at them in a while so I'm not sure of exactly what I have but I can get
>back to you. Hope this helps. FK

It is illegal to 'sell' shareware as such, unless you're the author, of course.
You may 'freely distribute' shareware and recover actual costs of the disks
and mailing, etc... but to sell the shareware plus those costs isn't legal.
The original poster could probably find such software via ftp or on local
Chris Blackmon, N4VGK		||  In this business, you either lead, follow
protein@catt.ncsu.edu		||  or get the hell out of the way.

"pour aller ou personne n'est jamais alle'...."
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: af770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Fran Rosen)
Subject: Bush/Clinton
Reply-To: af770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Fran Rosen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:40:21 GMT


Does anyone have Bush and Clinton's birth data?  I think I used
to have a chart of Bush around here somewhere, but since I moved,
I can't find anything.  

Fran
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From: cahoon@cs.umn.edu (Forrest Clinton Cahoon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Message for Andy Gray
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:57:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.225730.3652
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr12.053925.20023@cs.mcgill.ca> pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
>
>Sorry to use up bandwidth with a personal message...
>
>Hey Andy -- how come my mail to you keeps bouncing back? Please write
>and tell me how I can get through to you. The mail even bounces when
>I use "reply" commands.
>
>Maggie


Yeah, I've tried to send Andy mail too, only to have it bounce.  I
kinda sorta just decided it wasn't that important, but I'd probably
try to send a message if I had a good address.

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|  850 21st Ave SE     |-------------------| Only unbalanced people       |
|  Mpls MN  55414-2514 |                   |        can tip the scales... |
From: pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Chicago's underground flood
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:36:56 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Apr14.032449.13708@midway.uchicago.edu> keho@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone have a birth chart for Chicago?  All I could

Marc Heeren Penfield, in Horoscopes of the Western Hemisphere, gives a date
of August 17, 1803, 1:19 pm CST, 87W39, 41N51, which may be the date for
the settlement of the French at Fort Dearborn. (I suspect the time is
rectified, unless he found a journal entry. As usual, no details are given.)
This settlement was abandoned nine years later and most of the settlers
massacred by the natives. The town was rebuilt in 1816, and platted on 
August 4, 1830. The date of incorporation was March 4, 1837. The first date
looks appropriate; transiting Pluto (which rules things underground) is
conjunct Neptune (which rules water and weird occurrences) within about 1 dg;
Neptune is square Sun/Mercury/Moon natally. Also, transiting Jupiter is
currently opposite Pluto in this chart, but the transit is separating.

>Something very strange happened in Chicago today.  Apparently
>there is a system of tunnels all through downtown Chicago
>that connect the basements of the buildings.  Construction work
>in the river (to repair a bridge, I think) broke a hole "the
>size of a Buick" in the wall between the river and the tunnel.
>250 million gallons of water flooded the tunnel and the basements
>of all the buildings downtown -- the Sears Tower, Marshall Fields
>dept. store, etc.  As these buildings have their power equipment
>in their basements, power was shut off to all of downtown
>Chicago.  100,000 or more employees went home.  Damage will be
>extraordinary.  No one was injured though.

Very Plutonian/Neptunian, don't you think?


____________________________________________________________________________

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*      * Maggie McPherson               And what if I gave you the key
*      *****************************    to the doors of your design...
*      * pisces@cs.mcgill.ca  *   *     lit the corridors of desire? Were it
 ******                       *   *     not so black and not so hard to see,  
14/3/56 11:31 MST (+7) 104W39 50N25     what use to you then any fire?
McGill University, Montreal, Quebec                        (Andrew Eldritch)
From: cahoon@cs.umn.edu (Forrest Clinton Cahoon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: back issues of MATRIX magazine -- what I need to improve Astrolog
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:59:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr16.005957.27994
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In order to make various improvements to Astrolog, including the other
planet-centric charts about which I have recently posted, I need to
understand the Neely routines used in Astrolog.

Astrolog is based on BASIC code from the book _Manual of Computer
Programming for Astrologers_ by Michael Earlewine.  I am fortunate
enough to have a copy of it, but I need to understand the routines in
order to modify them.  To quote Earlewine:

	This manual is a 'How To Use It' and not a 'How Does It Work'
	text and readers who want to explore the theory behind this
	code are referred to MATRIX magazine.

Well, that's me, I want to explore the theory behind this code.  The
copyright date on this book is 1980.  Does anyone out there possibly
have back issues of MATRIX magazine from around this time?

Please help me.
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|  Forrest Cahoon      | cahoon@cs.umn.edu |------------------------------|
|  850 21st Ave SE     |-------------------| Only unbalanced people       |
|  Mpls MN  55414-2514 |                   |        can tip the scales... |
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: bobw@shiva1.cac.washington.edu (Bob Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Solar Returns
Keywords: solar return
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:44:07 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

Can someone please explain what a "solar return" chart represents, how it
is calculated with astrolog and suggestions on interpretation?  You see
these charts advertised left and right, as well as being a significant
offering among professional readings.  Thanks.
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:02:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Solar Returns
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: alt.astrology


Carole,

Thanks for posting the notes on Solar Returns.  I do know a great deal
about astrology and about computers.  I use Matrix Blue Star and was
wondering about Astrolabe's program.

I assume both programs do mostly the same, so could you tell me
how you chose one over the other?  Are there any special features
you like?

I have a '386 with a Laserjet printer.  I've purchased the "professional"
Blue Star along with their their "Laser Wheel" upgrade.  I now get
wonderful printouts with high resolution glyphs.  Blue Star seems
to include every astrological feature I've ever needed along with
the ability to batch together charts.  

Best R's,

Steve Kauder                        Phone: 303-229-3541 
UTD Support and Learning Products   Unix Mail: stevek@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com

"Computers, Music, Astrology, The Course in Miracles, what's next??"

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: cwayne@triton.unm.edu (Chris Wayne)
Subject: Seeking Capricorn artwork
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:04:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Hello,

     When it comes to Astrology, I am very naive, so please be patient with me.
I am looking for artwork (sketches, pictures, film, etc.) dealing with the
subject of Capricorn and Boar (Pig), my birth signs (31 Dec, 1959) and any
and all related symbols.  I.e. in one book I noticed a turtle, another had
a Cornucopia.  I don't know what the turtle had to do with Capricorn, but I
am aware that there's a connection between the "horn" and the Sea Goat
(Almathea ??).  I've gone through several libraries, but the artwork is
lacking and most explainations are too far over my head.  I'd like to learn
more about my signs without having to be an expert in Astrology and I'd like
to seek out and collect significant artwork.  If you think you can help me,
please Email (don't post here, I may not see it) me with what you have and
we'll go on from there.

thank you,
chris
From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: 7th Harmonic
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:49:29 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market Public Access Site - Spokane, WA

It seems there has been very little research done on the actual meanings
of the harmonics within a natal chart, for instance what kind of an in-
fluence does a strong 7th harmonic chart have on an individual?  Also,
what size orb should be used?  If anybody has any information on this 
I am very interested.  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman

 
 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peggy Wageman 
pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (or) visual!pwageman@tau-ceti.isc-br.com
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Subject: Got your Ephemeris?
Summary: Where is the moon going to be late this week & late next week?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:49:20 GMT


Sorry, don't have my ephemeris here at work.  I need to know where the moon
is going to be on Friday (this week) and Wednesday-Friday next week.

Thanks in advance.

Loren Boyd
From: pisces@cs.mcgill.ca (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Message for Andy Gray
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:39:25 GMT
Organization: McGill University
Originator: pisces@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca


Sorry to use up bandwidth with a personal message...

Hey Andy -- how come my mail to you keeps bouncing back? Please write
and tell me how I can get through to you. The mail even bounces when
I use "reply" commands.

Maggie
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Polarities, yin/yang, pos/neg, masc/fem
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:39:49 GMT
Organization: British Telecom Labs


We had a meeting of the Suffolk Astrological Society here in the UK on Tuesday
where we we encouraged to discuss what we felt about the polarities. The
current terms didn't seem to be adequate, yet we couldn't find any better
terms, so were not the much wiser. I thought I might open the same question to
the net to solicit thoughts and ideas which I can then feedback to the next
meeting just after Easter.

We split into three groups two of which were a balance of people with one of
the two polarities prominent, and the other, mine, which contained people with
an even 50:50 set. The society has members of all abilities, from consulting
astrologers through to people like myself, at the dawning stage.

If you have any thoughts can you either post to the net or to me personally.
Thanks.

On a less serious note:

FOR SALE or LOAN :- Pluto. Full service history, currently transiting 12th
house, finished with Mercury, about to conjunct the Moon, Asc, and Saturn when
it goes direct. Will swap for alternate planets, especially a well aspected
Venus, or loan out until late 1997/8. What have you, and why should I swap
this 'experience'?  Gemini's, I'm not sure that I will believe you :-) 

Prefer EMail to save net pollution on this latter topic.

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                Research Labs., Martlesham Heath, Ipswich IP5 7RE, U.K.
Andy Gray       Tel: +44 473 646647    e-mail: agray@axion.bt.co.uk
		 L'amour est aveugle, l'amite ferme les yeux
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From: agray@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Solar Returns
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: agray@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs

From article <1992Apr12.010145.3463@cs.umn.edu>, by cahoon@cs.umn.edu (Forrest Clinton Cahoon):
> In article <s4n7lINN1aa@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
>> [...]
> OK, to do this with Astrolog -- this is kind of a kludge, but you can
> do it...first you find the time & date of your solar return by using
> the -T option.  The solar return transit has "(Solar Return)" printed
> on that line in Astrolog's output, so if I was born in March and had
> my Astrolog data in a file called fc.data, I could say
> 
> astrolog -T fc.data 3 1992 | grep 'Solar Return'
> 
> and get just the appropriate line to print out.  This gives you the
> date and time for your return chart.  (Note that this time is the for
> the default time zone specified in your astrolog.h file -- usually
> where you're at, so no prob.)  Now, go ahead and do a natal chart for
> this data.  There's your solar return chart!
> 
> I guess someone clever could write a script using awk to do this all
> automatically.  Somaday, I may do this, and if I do I'll post it here.
> In the meantime, if someone else beats me to it, please post.
> 

More of a mouthful would be

	astrolog \
		-T fc.data 3 1992 \
		-A 1 \
		-R 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

which would ask for transits, limit aspects to the conjunction, and restrict
objects to the Sun only. Any conjunctions to house cusps would also turn up.
It may be quicker because it locks out much of the searching.

Shouldn't be too great a problem to integrate it within the main source, but
don't ask me to do it as I'm having enough problems with my area at the moment
:-(
 
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    \/		Software Technology Division, SSTF/306, British Telecom
                Research Labs., Martlesham Heath, Ipswich IP5 7RE, U.K.
Andy Gray       Tel: +44 473 646647    e-mail: agray@axion.bt.co.uk
	        "L'amour c'est aveugle, l'amite ferme lex yeux"
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From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Cabalistic numerology software
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:25:03 GMT


 Hello,

David Kehoe (keho@quads.uchicago.edu) writes...

> I just wrote a C program to do Cabalistic numerology (medieval
> Jewish mysticism that tried to find hidden meanings of words
> in scripture).  Interpretations are available in these books:
>
> Montrose (1982), "Numerology For Everybody". New Delhi: Sagar Publications
> Cheiro (1988), "Cheiro's Book of Numbers". New York: Prentice Hall
> Goodman, Linda (1987), "Linda Goodman's Star Signs". New York: St.Martins

 Hmmm... This program may do numerology as indicated in the above books
 (none of which I have read, by the way), but it is _not_ Kabbalistic (or
 however you spell it).

 Kabbalistic 'numerology' (referred to as 'gematria' by those who do it)
 is based lock, stock, and barrel on the Hebrew alphabet.   From a
 cursory look at your code, it seems you use the Roman alphabet.

 For the (probably) oldest extant writings on this, see the Kabbalistic
 documents _The_Zohar_ and _Sefer_Yetzirah_.  I believe the latter is
 more of an 'experimental' (as opposed to theoretical) treatise on how
 each letter is to be interpreted.  Also, the _Golden_Dawn_ books by
 Israel Regardie and _Magick_in_Theory_and_Practice_ by Aleister Crowley
 use these techniques on 'evockatory' names to be used in magical rituals.

					Just my 2 cents...

						Steve Cranmer 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Mail problems (further apologies for bandwidth wastage)
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:31:48 GMT
Organization: British Telecom Labs


Maggie and Forrest,

I've replied to you both directly. As far as I am aware there have been no
changes since previous correspondence.  It may just be a temporary glitch, or
a routing table rebuild somewhere. I'm looking into it.

Any messages on the polarities please persist.

Andy.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor)
Subject: Re: What sign was the moon in when.
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:56:54 GMT

serasst@admin.acadiau.ca (Yvette Davison) writes:

>If anyone can help me it would be very much appreciated.

> I have tried to figure out which sign the moon was in at the time
>of my birth.  The two books I used that had instructions made it very
>confusing for me (almost required a mathematics degree!).

> I tried another way using a friend's birthday and knowing which sign
>the moon was in then.  I am not sure if it worked out accurately.

>  Born 10:27pm Atlantic Standard Time   Nov. 25, 1964  (2:27am GMT)
>       45 deg. latitude, 62.2 deg. longitude.

>  Thanks to anyone.

> Yvette
> serasst@admin.acadiau.ca
===============================================

According to the program I have,

SUN 03Sag53     MAR 10Vir00     URA 14Vir35     PF 19Tau25
MOO 01Vir24     JUP 19Tau22 R   NEP 18Sco11
MER 24Sag43     SAT 28Aqu51     PLU 16Vir13


KOCH HOUSE CUPS
1  21Leo54     4  12Sco02     7  21Aqu54     10  12Tau02
2  18Vir34     5  24Sag55     8  18Pis34     11  24Gem55
3  15Lib24     6  25Cap02     9  15Ari24     12  25Can02

Hopefully this is helpful.  Your Moon is just barely into Virgo, so it
may be wise to consider Moon in Leo effects as well.  Good luck,


Scott Minor
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: back issues of MATRIX magazine -- what I need to improve Astrolog
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:11:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16APR199215493015@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes...
>In article <1992Apr16.005957.27994@cs.umn.edu>, cahoon@cs.umn.edu (Forrest Clinton Cahoon) writes...
>>In order to make various improvements to Astrolog, including the other
>>planet-centric charts about which I have recently posted, I need to
>>understand the Neely routines used in Astrolog.
> 
>Well, I obviously don't have any of the astrology magazines (I'm the skeptic
>here, remember; you didn't think I went away, did you?) But I doubt anything
>beyond intermediate trigonometry is needed to do charts with respect to some
>other point.  A quick perusal of the astrolog code reveals that basically
>the routine planets() first calculates the heliocentric positions in cartesian
>coordinates.  Except in the case of the Sun, a planet's position is found
>by subtracting the Earth's position vector from the planet's.  The result is
>it's position relative to the Earth.  To do a chart centered somewhere else,
>all you need to do is subtract that planet's position vector instead of Earth's.
>The Sun is not even really a special case: it is the origin, so to get it's
>apparent position from a planet, just take the negative of the planet's
>position; or in other words subtract it from zero.

A bit closer look confirms that changing astrolog to do charts in other
coordinate systems is easy...BUT I found what could be termed a bug in the
way the program currently does heliocentric charts.  For Earth-based charts,
the program corrects for the distance the planet moves in the time it takes
light to reach the Earth.  Actually, this is an "anti-correction", since what I
think it is really doing is assuming that the position of the planet at the
time of birth, and not the apparent position (in the case of the Sun, this is
the position 8.5 minutes ago) is the one to use.  In any case, this
time-of-flight anti-correction is not applied for heliocentric charts.  Either
way, it is absolutely unneccessary: in the worst case (Mercury) it makes a
difference of less than 1 arc minute in the position of the planet against the
sky...

Dave
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