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From: popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Fundamentalism
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:23:33 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

If anyone here is interested in what is really goin on with the 
Republican Party, Pat robertson, ect. ect., i would urge you to go to the 
library and find the April 27 issue of "The Nation".  After pat robertson 
lost in '88 to Bush, he decided to try to grab the Republican party from 
below rather from the top.  He started an organization call "the 
Christian coalitian", that has gathered together a vast array of right 
winged evangelical and fundamentalist xians and set about to take over as 
many local and state Republican organizations as possible.  He has 
succeeded to a degree.  To the point that he has forced the Rpublican 
party even farther to the right than even Reagan.  He has stated 
publically that he is trying to see that his Xian Caolitian controls the 
republican party by 1996.  He is powerful enough that Bush had to allow 
him to speak at the republican Convention, and from henceforth, every 
Republican presidental candidate must deal with Pat as a major power 
broker in the party.  These people are dead serious.  if Bush loses, and 
he probably will, the republican party will be up for grabs and there 
will be quite a struggle for the soul of the party between old line 
republicans and the Christian Coalitian Forces.  Stay tuned, this will be 
a vicious little squabble.  And even if robertson does not win totally, 
and I don't think he will, he and the Xian far right are here to stay.
  I am thinking it is about time that every freedom loving person in 
America that does not want to put up with what we saw from the Republican 
Convention, start thinking about how to fight these pests now.
Time to start pushing back.
By the way, Prayer in School is back on the political menu.  I suggest 
for giggles that everyone here with a bible check out Matthew 6:5.
Jesus Forbids public prayer.
The Bible proves it.
That settles it.
.......................................................................

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Celtic religion course
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Keywords: Cool!
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:14:13 GMT



I was looking through the "Professional and Career Development Courses and
Workshops" offered at one of our local universities and noticed a course in
"Celtic Religion."  The description reads:

"The course gives an introduction to this religion from the information
given by the classical authors for Gaul and Britain and then from the
native Celtic traditions of a later date.  The course will review the
Celtic pantheon with special consideration to the Druids, the Cult of
the Head, the Goddesses of Britain, the Horned God, the Celtic
Otherworld, and examine how pagan traditions became transformed in the 
Christian Celtic world and were interwoven into the medieval literatures
of Wales and Ireland even into the world of Arthur and the Holy Grail.
In order to create a context in which the evidence can be seen in 
relation to other cultural factors, some Celtic history will also be
introduced, and as the evidence for Celtic religion is varied and
often difficult to interpret, you will be exposed to some critical
analysis of source material."

(typing errors, if any, are mine)

This sounds like a great course... and I can even claim it on my income
tax return! :)  Got to love it when the government is sponsoring
Paganism.


Cheers,

      __o       Brad Booth                |  
    _`\<,_      Bell-Northern Research    |  "He doesn't need a motive.
   (*)/ (*)     Ottawa, Ontario, Canada   |   He's a psychopath."
 ------------   bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca    |  ... Tony Scalli, The Commish
From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Masons/Knights Templar
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:27:12 GMT


>gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson)
>Our Odhinnsgodi has a Masonic Bible that his father had before him.  In 
>that bible it is clearly stated that they are Luciferians.  If i did not 
>have a reason for stating such, I would not have made the statement.
> 
>Gerda Thunarsson

Careful Gerda, you are getting too close to the source.  :)
If certain esoteric branches of FreeMasonry are into this sort
of spiritualism, then they don't want the Fundies to know about it.
The Fundies are into simple equations ie. Lucifer=Satan. 

Imagine if the FreeMasons come out of the closet.
I can see it now: "One Nation Under Lucifer", "In Lucifer We Trust",
"Lucifer Damn It!", "May Lucifer Bless You", and "Lucifer Bless America". 
All the dark heavy metal bands will, in order to remain in the 
counterculture movement, evolve into Yaweh Rockers.  :)

Wyrd Dreams Be With You,
Thorfinn

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New pagans and reading
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 15:36:44 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> 
> I've noticed a number of people telling people interested in 
> paganism to go and read.  This is very true, but perhaps we
> should get some suggestions.  I don't know about the rest of

Those with difficulty getting to a large bookstore can get the Llewellyn 
catolog by calling 1-800-THE MOON. Llewellyn carries a lot of garbage, 
but it also handles a lot of the classics. They'll send you the catolog 
free, for a while.

I'll second the book choices Tammy suggested....

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rna@crystal.med.umn.edu (Ryan Alexander (BMEC))
Subject: Re: Opinion on Masonry
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:40:26 GMT

	How did I know that you would respond to that comment...

|RNA (DNA's bad-ass sidekick)   / "Decency?!  I am a pirate!
|Internet: rna@ epx.cis.umn.edu/       I don't _do_ 'decency'!"
|			      /           - Don Carnage
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Church of All Worlds?
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:00:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.164544.3056@tandon.com> manes@tandon.com (Dane Manes) writes:
>
>Are these guys for real?  What are they about?  I'm going to call them
>today (the Los Angelese Nest) and see what's up, but I'd like to have your
>opinions as well.

 They are one of the oldest Neo-Pagan groups in existance in North
America. Their leader, Otter, is the one credited with coming up and
defining the term "Neo-Pagan" for what he and others were doing. They've
published Green Egg for a long time (early or mind 70s) with a stop for a
while in the early 80s. I don't care for some of the happy hippy stuff
they have but they are legit and have been around for a while.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Wicca (was Re: Pat Robertson)
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:10:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.161930.27930@burrhus.harvard.edu> canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson) writes:

[bunches deleted with Carl speaking about Wicca]

> A lot of it seems to be an amalgram of Celtic and Hermetic (late
Judeo-Christian) elements.

 Please tell me what Celtic elements are in Wicca? There are English folk
elements but Celtic material is almost non-existant if you ignore a couple
of goddess names. 

 For example, the Celts didn't use four quarters or have tools associated
with them. The Celts were polytheists, not duo-theists.

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Scott Mayo & the net
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 12:05:49 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

markbr@radian.UUCP (Mark Roth) writes:

>
>  About the thread concerning Scott's loosing his net access:
>
>  Eshin-Fun - grow up.
>
>  For all the rest, it wasn't any net Gods, it was Bush's economy. Don't some
>  of y'all read/listen to the news, or read who *writes* these posts? Scott's
>  news path was Wang.com; Wang, a major computer manufacturer (for the info
>  of the oblivious), just went belly-up (Chapter 11, I think). Lots of others
>  (several thousand) are now out of work, as well as short access.
>

they filed for REORGANIZATION, not bankruptcy.  like i said, our feed comes
through wang, so we heard a bit about it.  for a while, we thought that things
were going to turn Very Bad, but seems their internet connection is back and
things are moving again, albeit with a few thousand less employees...

                                             -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
 I wish her insight to battle love's blindness            ________
 Strength from the milk of human kindness         Silence \      / Action
 A safe place for all the pieces that scattered      =     \    /    =
 Learn to pretend there's more than love           Death    \  /    Life
                                  that matters               \/
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: That Elvis thing
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:02:22 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

(Bear Giles) writes:

[conjecture that the Republicans will lose the election...]

>Does this mean pagans can breath freely?  Not really.  It's pretty
>clear that the Republicans are on the ropes, but the conservative
>branch is already planning it's comeback in '94.  Sorry, '96.  
>
>The next four years won't be as bad as they would have been under
>Bush II (sounds like a B-grade horror movie), but they won't be a
>cakewalk either.

Remember how the press (and supposedly the entire country) rallied 
around Bush and the Flag during Desert Storm? About how a undeclared
war was waged without the consent of Congress that "brought us all
together"? Remember Watergate? Remember Willie Horton?

I would urge EXTREME caution in any prediction of a Republican loss. I
personally think they will pull this one off, as they have a whole lot
of _announced_ dirty tricks up their sleeve, including restarting the
war with Iraq. Remember that while the left _may_ have had some effect
in shortening the war (I don't necessarily believe it, and I was the
attempt) the mainstream press (and therefore the majority of the 
American people) believed the country was behind the war. The same set
of circumstances could easily prevail in the next few months on any
number of Republican-controlled issues, from Iraq to the Federal Reserve
to the Supremem Court's decisions and the timing of all the above in
helping orchestrate a victory.

And yes, I do believe it is a battle we all need to wage, for our own 
rights and our children's, as well as the general welfare of all of us.

Blessings, 

Murray


-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:28:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson quote (good for a nervous laugh)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

In alt.pagan, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

> Seen on rec.humor:
> 
>  Religous broadcaster Pat Robertson, who is always good for a laugh, is
> actively campaigning against Iowa's proposal to put the Equal Rights
> Amendment on their state constitution. Wire Reports reports he said in
> a letter last month that the ERA is part of a "feminist agenda" that
> "is not about equal rights for women." Instead, he wrote, "it is about a 
> socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to
> leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
> capitalism and become lesbians."
> 
> How can anybody take this guy seriously??
> 
> Richard
> (Tuneweaver)

        What an appropriate place to see it -- rec.humor! I love it! 

        Yes, unfortunately, there are far too many people who take him
seriously. 

        My question is -- can anyone really take SHEILA WALSH seriously??
;-) 

-reykjavik
rks@uccs-annex.csn.org

                                  The seeking of wisdom is the highest virtue
                                                    --Odin--
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:29:38 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie


pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
>> I feel exactly the same way. With my training and my wife's, we can do
>> quite well most anywhere in the world.  I rather like the idea of New
>> Zealand.

A composer once said "I love the idea of Paganini, but I can't stand his
music" - you may find the same about NZ some day...

> But will your wife like New Zealand?  The rest of the world is not quite so
> nice as American liberals seem to think; I've heard scathing commentaries
> from American women who have been to New Zealand and Australia.

Um, there isn't actually any significant difference in the way women are
treated in the US, NZ and Oz (I've lived in all three).  If you look at
objective measures like employment and women's wages, they're in the same
league; both NZ and Oz gave women the vote long before the US.  The major
cultural differences are that racism has different targets in each and
neither NZ nor Oz has the oppressively patriotic ideological uniformity of
the US (though neither is as politically diverse as most European
countries).  And of course there are vast differences between urban and
rural attitudes in all of them; what makes the US unusual is that it has a
very much higher proportion of its population in small towns than most
developed countries, with all that implies about social control.  Neither
small-town Queensland nor small-town Alabama would be a notably good place
to try pagan social experiments.


> Consider:  within the last century, most nations of the world have at some
> time been ruled by far more thoroughly fascist governments than anything
> the US has produced-- yet.

Well, the US produced Pinochet and the government of Guatemala - it doesn't
get any worse than that.


The short answer to this question of "where can I flee to from America?" is
nowhere, because if America gets interested, it will come to you.  Have some
guts and fight it where you are.

-- 
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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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From: markbr@radian.UUCP (Mark Roth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: the eyes have it?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:29:26 GMT

Well, just to break this run of hazel eyes (actually, for you hard-core
sf fans, Janis' sound like the Samm's eyes, from Doc Smith's Lensmen series),
mine are blue (that go grey when I'm tired).

	mark (the Silverdragon)
-- 
/*___________________________________________________________________________*
 *  1.     How *DARE* you attribute these opinions to anyone else!           *
 *  2.     Would *you* claim opinions like these if they *weren't your own?  *
 *					                                     *
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 *___________________________________________________________________________*/
Etymology, n.:
	Some early etymological scholars come up with derivations that
were hard for the public to believe.  The term "etymology" was formed
from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy"
("study of").  It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow."
		-- Mike Kellen
From: ROYBAL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Who/what is Baphomet?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:37:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


   Subject line says all. An honest, straight forward question.
I know nothing of the origins or identity of this entity. What can YOU
tell me? If this is a "forbidden name" or subject, please let me know,
and apologize for any offense...

                               /x
                     (roybal@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu)
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: True Xtianity (was Re: Hitler and Christianity)
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>I am Christian of the liberal flavor and I must admit that I feel more 
>comfortable with neopagans that fundies. IMHO fundies haven't a clue about
>neopaganism is really about, or what the teachings of Jesus is really about. 
>Furthermore fundies have more in common with the Pharasees than with Christ.
>I am into Christian mysticism ala Thomas Merton (later stuff) and I don't
>go to any church regularly though I do frequent a very liberal Anglican church.

Then you have discovered True Christianity.  I remember as a child
going to church our Sunday School teachers would talk about the
bible and how it came together.  It seemed that they were saying
that it was written over hundreds of years (true) by several
people (true) who where inspired by god to write this book (not true)
I remember thinking "This doesn't feel right".  It also got me
to thinking about a lot of other things.

When I took a class on early European history called "Barbarians
and the Birth of Europe" I discovered how Xtianity really came
about.  

The Xtianity practiced today in the churches is not the Xtianity
taught by Christ nor his disciples.  It was taught by Paul, a 
roman, with roman ideas, who *NEVER* even met Christ.  That's
why I refer to Xtianity as Church-ianity and to the originating
group as Paul-ianity.

If you ever get a chance to take a class like this with a
Medievalist that does mixed personal religion in with their stuff
I would highly advise it.  It has opened my eyes in ways I never
thought it would

Tammy
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:8740 alt.individualism:5339
From: johnb@corp.sun.com (John Benninghoff)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Abandoning the Sinking SghipII
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:47:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: barfly.corp.sun.com

In article <BtzDsv.Bt6@csn.org> rks@teal.csn.org (Reykja K. Sigurdsson) writes:
>
>    I ordinarily do not respond to ad hominem arguments. I invite 
>flames if someone feels that is necessary -- but stick to the issue. 
>My financial status is not the issue. Nor is my color. 

His criticism was not of you but of Iceland's Selective Immigration policy.

What are Iceland's GDP/GNP figures for the past 2 or 3 decades?  Declining?


/jb
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bdaker00@mik.uky.edu (brian d aker)
Subject: Re: no kill file
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:10:36 GMT

In <1992Aug23.175417.21880@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:

>if you are laking the kapability for a kill file and see some thing that you
>do not like the gust hit 'n' or is your system laking the ability to move to
>the next artical with out you vewing it.? telling people that they can not
>post there vews on something simply because the fit a catagory is worse then
>asuming that every one has a kill capasity or are able to use it.(the most
>that i have ever been able to git to work is 'world' and that ignores the 
>intier group). I my self am rathere comp. illit.

>ELF-KIN	just because some one segests that one read the bible does
>not meen that they think that you should beleave it.
   Your computer illiteracy seems to have been extended to both your
grammatical and orthological skills. I acknowledge your right to post,
but have you considered how appropriate your message is to the audience
that you are posting it to?
  Brian
bdaker00@nx19.mik.uky.edu
baker@antioc.antioch.edu

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Knights Templar
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:50:49 GMT

popec@fennec.sccsi.com (William C. Barwell) writes:

>There is an interesting book, "Born In Blood', by John J. Robinsaon about 
>the Knights Templar.  The thesis of the book is that when the K.T. were 
>savaged by French king Phillip The Fair, (what a misnomer), that many 
>Knights Templar fled and went 'underground'.  They developed a very 
>intricate set of coded catchphrases and responses so that they could 
>filter out real fellow knights from societies stool pidgeons spies and 
>meddlers.  This was the start of the Masonic Temple.  The 'Masonic' 
>symbols are one the face of it similar to phraseology one would associate 
>with a Mason's Guild, but actually are drawn from Templar ritual and 
>history.  Most all of early Masonic imagery has this double meaning.

This sounds like conspiracy theory to me, not scholarship.  Any scholarly
Masons around to comment on this book?

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
From: system@korova.uucp (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: re. religious intolerance
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:48:33 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam) writes:
> here): mumber two...the christians seem to be able to all agree on one 
> thing, WE represent a comon enemy; number three.... I don't know the answe

i agree, except the christians think THEY are the enemy, including some 
of their own. (THEY being everyone except for that particular flavor)
:>
squid

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
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