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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: ANIMEIGO : BUBBLEGUM CRISIS ON LASERDISC
Keywords: animeigo bubblegum crisis laserdisc ld
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.012030.27863@foretune.co.jp> trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead) writes:
>Yes, we did, and yes, we are.  We originally thought that cost would
>be around $20 per disc (that's the cost of pressing a disc, plus the
>cost of all the preproduction and mastering divided by the number of
>discs in the initial pressing - usually 1000).  However, we are also
>obligated to pay royalties to Artmic and Youmex on the discs, even the
>upgrades (because after all, you can go and sell your original tapes),
>and there is the cost of S&H.  All in all it totals out to about $35
>a disc, so the max-discount price works out to $140.

As Death's final words were, "Well, *fuck* me."  Guess I was wrong.
It's too bad you can't manufacture the LDs for less, but I suppose I
can't fault you (well, if I were unreasonable I could say, "Just press
more to reduce the price per disc!" but I like to pretend I'm a
reasonable man...).

>End result: we won't be making any money on the upgrades, although,
>because the upgrades do help us work out our fixed costs, they do
>help us get to break-even faster (which makes more LD's more likely)

Cool!

>We have to see the original wraps to verify things - otherwise, every
>subscriber would be besieged by other fans wanting to borrow his
>wraps!

Fair enough.  I was hoping to make things easier on myself 'cause I'm
lazy, but I can understand AnimEigo not wanting to lose money that way.

STILL going to have to wait until I have enough money to buy the LD set,
but since you didn't mention any deadline on the upgrade offer, I'm
presuming I have until the sets are all sold out...

>wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>>My cheap griping aside, well done, Robert.  So when can I expect a
>>Riding Bean/Madox LD, hmmmmm?  8->
>I personally want an excuse to go back and redo those shows, but no
>decision has been made yet.

What, you mean you aren't God Emperor of AnimEigo yet and can exercise
your absolute will upon the company?  I'm so disappointed in you...8->
-- 
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Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: I am back!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:14:56 GMT
Distribution: na


	I have just spent four months in a faraway land, totally
	cut out from Anime. Can anyone fill me up with anything
	interesting happened during then? Thanks.




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From: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Make Your Own Anime!
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:37:32 GMT
Reply-To: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) says:

>
>In article <1992Aug13.223601.14246@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> > 
> > How about anime directed by David Lynch. Looks like a Beautiful Dreamer type
> > situation... :)
>
>No, if you want weird, he would have done Lum The Forever. Now THAT one
>is weird.
>

Urusei Yatsura:Lightning walk with me :)

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>

Ja Ne


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Homosexuality in manga (was Re: help!!!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:15:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.manga

In article <5855@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, 9105HOLL%UCSBVM.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Jennifer M. Holland) writes:
> 
> Hi, my name is Jennifer and I'm out of my depth.  I've been reading
> manga for six months....

You may want to know that there's a manga-only newsgroup.  From BITNET, you
can access it by the MANGA-L mailing list.  I'll post this to both newsgroups,
with follow-ups set to rec.arts.manga.  BTW, the traffic on MANGA-L is much
slower than here.  :-)

> I am looking for someone who would be willing to talk about
> shojo-manga, gay-themed girls comics and anime.

Ok, what do you want to talk about?  :-)  Here's some starters:

- There's a veritable slew of characters out there who are
  theoretically male, but whose looks confound the gender issue.
  Ladios Sopp in FIVE STAR STORIES, Andromeda Shun in SAINT SEIYA,
  Yellow Dancer in GENESIS CLIMBER MOSPEDA, and so on, and on, and on...

I'd like to note that in the case of Sopp, his looks (heck, the look of
FSS as a whole) is taken from the style of shojo manga.

> Anyone interested in discussing why Japanese want their
> young girls fantasizing about gay men?

I don't think it's "The Japanese", as you say.  But I've noticed that
homosexuality is as common a female fantasy as lesbianism is for males.
That is true no matter WHERE the piece of fiction comes from.

> Please respond to me directly if you like, since my guess is that most
> of this list is not interested in these topics.  (Or I could be wrong.)

To tell the truth, most people here (college-age
males) are not into shojo manga at all.  Their loss.  :-)
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From: 72736.433@CompuServe.COM (Chris Swett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Sailor Moon
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:20:21 GMT
Resent-Date:  Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:12:16 PDT
Resent-From: Chris Swett <7514P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Resent-To: Anime-L <ANIME-L@VTVM1.cc.vt.edu>
To: <7514p%navpgs.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>



----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Here's some Sailor Moon data from the May '92 issue of Nakayoshi along
with some updates from later issues...

Senshi               Name               Birthday        Age      Bloodtype

Sailor Moon          Tsukino Usagi      June 30         14          O
Sailor Mercury       Mizuno Ami         September 10    14          A
Sailor Mars          Hino Rei           April 17        14          AB
Sailor Jupiter       unknown            unknown         unknown    unknown
Sailor Venus         unknown            unknown         unknown    unknown
Tuxedo Kamen         Chiba Mamoru       unknown         17 or 18   unknown

Attacks

Sailor Moon: "Moon tiara... action!"
Sailor Mercury: "Shabon... spray!"
Sailor Mars: "Fire... soul!"

Translated from the manga intro 5/92:
"A full 40 pages"
"Super heroine of love and justice... an extremely splendid knockout for you!!"
"Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon"

Voices:

Tsukino Usagi          Mitsuishi Kotono
Luna                   Han Keiko

Character Design:      Tadano Kazuko

                             (^_^)

                                           --- Chris
From: manga@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: O.K...what about phonebooks?
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:12:47 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

John Kilpatrick writes:
>Thanks to everyone who sent me mail about the phonecards [brief summary:
Japanese phones now use disposable plastic cards with mag. stripe on them.
all have pictures, some anime].  Now what about phoneBooks?  The way it has
been used is that they say at the corner newstand you can pickup the latest
phonebook.  Is this some manga thing?

Ah!  Now I understand!  This is just a reference to the weekly
manga magazines, which usually run several hundred pages, printed
on cheap pulp paper.  they contain serialized episodes of 15-30 stories
and physically resemble, well, a large phonebook.

-bret
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From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: Sailor Moon episode 20
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:58:44 GMT

In article <h.doi-sm.20.1@sailor.senshi.fan.club>, doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi) writes:
# Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon episode 20
# title: Natsuyo Umiyo Seishunyo!  Omakeni yuuseimoyo

  title: Natsuyo Umiyo Seishunyo!  Omakeni yuureimoyo

a typo!  sorry about that.
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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: Oh no!  American vs. Japanese animation
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:08:01 GMT


In a previous article, wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) says:

>But while DP and BGC may have occasionally dealt with more serious
>topics than WFRR?, they didn't necessarily deal with them more
>seriously, if you get my meaning.  [...] but
>suffice it to say I do not consider DP and BGC clearly more "mature"
>than WFRR?, which you seem to be implying (feel free to correct me
>if I'm wrong).

Well, I guess it's the difference between a tricycle and a sportscar.  Both
are toys, both don't say much about the maturity of the owner, but one is
a toy that you have to be a bit more mature to handle, so to speak.

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Steve Chaney : Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0)
Subject: Song Translation: Macross ][ Opening Song (revised)
Originator: chaneysa@nextnet
Keywords: Standard Disclaimer
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:34:21 GMT


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This is my first crack at any form of Macross music (for obvious reasons).
Thanks again to Kent Kochi for lending me his Macross ][ CD Single.

Fortunately, this didn't take me as long to translate as it seemed to take
for the singer to compose it - some 200,000,000 million years, or so the
song seems to indicate... :)

Mistakes should be blamed on lyrics of a neo-Minmei mentality, IMO. 

If anyone wants to archive this, okay. Else, how do I get it into
piggy and other archives? 
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Macross ][: Lovers Again

Opening Theme Song

Ni oku nen no mae ni shizuka da ne
Quiet Like The Eons


1) Yokogao miru to omou
I think I see your silhouette
2) Anata o suki to omou
I think I like you
3) Ima sekai ga owattatte
You said it was the end of the world
4) Oshiku wa nai wa
It's not a regrettable thing

5) Urusai shai na yuutsu
My troublesome yet thankful gloom
6) Noise no mukou gawa ni
has another side to its noise
7) Mimi o sumaseba ai ga
If you tunr your ears, love
8) Konna ni chikaku
Turns out to be so close

9) Ni oku nen mae no you ni shizuka da ne
It's quiet like the past eons
10) Ah kotoba nante nani mo iranai kara
Ah, because nothing like words are needed


*11) Futari ga hitori de umaretekita koto
Two people are coming from one
12) Wasureru kurai ni senaka o daite
When I forget, come up and hold me
13) Ano toki ichido wa kimeta sayonara o
Back then, I decided to say goodbye once
14) Eien no yoru hoshi dake wa shitte iru kedo
During the eternal night, all I can see are the stars


15) Fureau hada no atsusa
The heat of our skin as we touch
16) Sore dake kanjiteitai
is all I want to feel
17) Machikado de kobandeta
You refused me on the street corner
18) Watashi ga iru no
And now you need me

19) Suikomare soo ni tooi sora no hate
The sky is endless as if all-encompassing
20) Ah mirai datte koi wa onajihazu ne
Ah, you said it's the future now, but hey, love's supposed to be the same


21) Futari wa hitori ja umarete irarenai
two people aren't coming from one
22) Dakara namida yori anata no soba e 
So rather than crying I will go to your side
23) Hanarete ita hi wa kesenai keredo
I haven't forgotten the day we separated
24) Kono nukumori o tsugunai no melody ni shite
I'm still playing a melody to make for this warmth


* Repeat (11-14)
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From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: When AnimEigo KOR #2
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:26:20 GMT

When is KOR #2 from AnimEigo supposed to be out?  I heard it might be 
delayed a few days... is it out yet?
:::::Larry:::::

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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: Name-This-Anime
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:20:41 GMT

In article <weYLvW200awN02P0pC@andrew.cmu.edu> Kwan-Yong Lee <kl2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Unknown Anime (At least to me) # 1 :
>
>	It is some kind of OAV  for Ranma 1/2.  It starts with a tiny old man
>stealing women's undies *kinky!*  Then Ranma chases him and Akane
>misunderstands Ranma and chases Ranma.  Then the things go complex and
>it ends up that the whole town chase after them.   Then a huge white
>elephant, obeying a command of a small blond girl crashes everybody and
>ruins Tendo Dojo.  
>
>[Rest of description deleted...]


Well, what do you think?  Is it time for me to post my Ranma movie
synopsis again?  After all, it's been....what....4 weeks?

:-)  :-)

(Besides, as had been pointed out to me, I got the girl's name wrong
 the first time!  A cardinal sin... :-))

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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap animation ep and Otomo
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:39:28 GMT

In article <v=ayvg_@rpi.edu> ncc1701@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>I Seem to have lost most of this thread...
>When is this episode supposed to air?
>---
>Mark "Emerson" Chadwick -- ncc1701@acm.rpi.edu    chadwickmo@space.laafb.af.mil

"Sometime" next season.  I'm sure that if follow Quantum Leap at all,
you won't be able to miss it... :-)

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: Saints all brothers?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:16:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.114207.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>, hoeke@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.223330.15191@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick) writes:
> 
> > Yes, if you find the reference, please let me know.  I've collected both
> > the manga and the tv series, and I've never made this connection.  I can
> > almost see Old Kido as Zeus, but it sure dosn't say much for the
> > mortallity rate of his dates.  A vengfull Hera?

Those facts would fit the traditional mythological representations of Zeus
to a T.  Always inventing clever new ways to seduce young maidens, lots of
offspring spread all over the countryside, a vengeful wife always trying to
eradicate/hurt/destroy his husband's lovers.

Not to mention the ("Old Kido"/Old Kid/Zeus) pun.  :-)
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From: jferrara@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (J 'have a jet ski' Ferrara)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Take the X Train
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:33:05 GMT
Organization: No, none yet.

Can anyone give me a plot synopsis, or maybe even a script, for Take the X
Train. I'm a little confused as to what's going on.


J "have a jet ski" Ferrara
House of the Techno-Discordians
Aquatic Amusements Division
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume)
Subject: Re: The great "rabaa" = Lover or Larva debate!
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:33:32 GMT

tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:
>dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:
>>
>>"rabaa" (the shinma) was translated as "Larva."
>>
>>The reason this bothers me is that the way to write "Larva" phonetically
>>in kana is "raaba."  The way to write "Lover" phonetically is "rabaa."
>>
>>Did AnimEigo really go to the source and ask the creator of the series?
>>(For selfish reasons, I hope not.  I just want to be right! :-) )
>
>Robert already posted a while ago that "Larva" is the prefered
>spelling for "raaba", according to the creator of Miyu, Kakinouchi
>Narumi.                  

Miyu's Shinma is spelled, "rabaa" in the credits.  Not "raaba."  I agree
that "Larva" is a good spelling of "raaba."  But it doesn't fit "rabaa,"
which is the shinma we're talking about.

--David
P.S.  The Larva and Lemures argument is pretty good...
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From: jevans@ius.indiana.edu (JEVANS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re[2]: Film Threat review
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:36:25 GMT
To: ANIME-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU

In article <9208131336.AA21241@tmcpcnet.tmc.edu> Carl_Horn@library.tmc.edu
 writes:
>As Kai would say, "Hurt me!" BAMPIE-AH HUNTAH...D!!! came out in
>1985...one of the first OVAs I believe. It kicked some style back in the
>day. We made a music video from it to Ozzy Osbourne's "Waiting For
>Darkness," which I believe represents the only Ozzy-anime collaboration
>in history. Ain't no frontin' in Doris's frontin' neither. FILM THREAT
>need to stop listening to Mix-A-Lot.

>Actually, there is _Shot in the Dark_ done to Supernatural Beast
          City.

>Ryan Gavigan
>gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

 Folks,
       I would love to see these. I would even go so far as to pat
          postage to send videos to the both of you for a copy. I'm
          serious. Can you imagine "I'm Too Sexy" to Lupin III?

            *Harlock Out*
From: hotwire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hot Wire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Project A-ko question:  is D a hermaphrodite?
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: hotwire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hot Wire)

In article <1992Aug11.062052.2730@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>,
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug10.185804.29915@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
|>>
|>>A friend and I were discussing PROJECT A-KO not long ago.  He claims that
|>>"D" is a hermaphrodite, and that's why "it" sounds male.  He said he heard
|>>it from a friend.  As I haven't seen any of the other A-ko films, I come
|>>to r.a.anime for confirmation.  Anyone?
|>
|>D, as well as all of the other aliens (the captain included) are female.

From what I understand, it's yet another one of the parodies in PAKO.
In this case the aliens have a similar history to the Solonoids (sp?)
from GALL FORCE.

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From: grey@futon.SFSU.EDU (Herbert Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: When is anime not anime?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:49:19 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Aug11.165436.2426@nic.csu.net> grey@futon.SFSU.EDU (Herbert Leong) writes:
>Well, if Macek wants us (as in us Anime fans) to "bail him out" by buying
>Nadia, and it is as bad as my friends say it is, I really don't think it
>will happen.  Hopefully, Macek will finally get a clue and stop arc-
>welding/hacksawing/(lousy)dubbing what is really good anime in the first
>place.  People know when something is garbage, and very much so when
>they have seen the originals and can make a comparison.
>
>Macek is out money, well, if he wants it from hard-core anime fans,
Sorry, that should be "Macek is out for money"

>I think, IMHO, that he will have to work for it and stop releasing 
>the trash that he has been doing so far.
>
>/herb leong

/herb
>
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