From: linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Ethics vs. Primitive Superstitions.  Was: Blatant lies
Date: 19 Aug 1992 22:00:36 GMT
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In article <Bt7vvF.DHp@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>From article <16rci1INN5st@agate.berkeley.edu>, by linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan):
>ml> Regarding questions pertaining to my religious beliefs, what do 
>ml> you hope to accomplish by belittling them?  Do you think I am 
>ml> going to take your word or sad logic over that of God?  Because 
>ml> you cannot or will not believe in my God do you think that is 
>ml> enough reason for me to change my beliefs?  Not hardly.  

>Mike, you've cited the authority of your "god" to justify the
>mistreatment of other thinking individuals, both human and non-
>human.  In doing so, you yourself are inviting the scrutiny and
>criticism that you apparently decry.


Well you certainly aren't going to accomplish much by belittling my beliefs
other than to have me ignore your condesending posts or exposing you when
you lie.  You are stating that I mistreat humans and non-humans as YOU de-
fine mistreatment.  I disagree with your definition.  All this time you 
are supposed to be debating, not ridiculing.


*More prying question from Russell about my religion deleted so that I 
may spare the net and myself from his condesending responses.


>ml> Perhaps.  I don't really think many people in the world establish
>ml> their ethics on the views of Russell Lawrence though.  I know I
>ml> don't.

>Of course you don't.  There's a guy over in talk.abortion who 
>shares, not only your opinion of me, but also your notion that 
>ethical codes should be based on god-talk rather than on facts 
>and reason.  Unfortunately for you, he considers protestant 
>fundamentalists to be "heretics" and claims that the "One True 
>Church" was doing the "right" thing when it stepped up the 
>activities of the inquisition during the counter-reformation.  If 
>he had unfettered power, you'd be on a barbeque spit at this very 
>moment, just as witches might be on the grill if people like 
>yourself still had the power to exercise various "divine" 
>commandments and dispensations.  


Apparantly you do not think highly of my religion or God.  That's okay 
Russell, it's your choice but, you won't mind if I feel sorry for you will
you?


>As I've said before, we not only disagree about animals rights, 
>but we disagree about human rights as well.  I don't think anyone 
>has the right to persecute homosexuals, or burn witches, or 
>murder innocent men, women, and children in the name of "god",
>whereas you seem to think that all creatures can be treated as
>your "god" sees fit, regardless of the personal thoughts and feelings
>running through the minds of the victims.


Oooh nooo Russell, I certainly would listen to you and your logic before
I would God.  How could any one listen to any one else but the almighty
king of t.p.a. Russell Lawrence.  Naturally I am not serious. :')


>ml> Did I or did I not specifically tell you I believe in "GOBLINS" or 
>ml> "GODDESSES" as you said I did?   Does it matter to *anyone* whether you
>ml> consider them to have primitive minds?

>Did I specifically say that you believe in goblins or goddesses?  Please
>cite the original passage.


Nice game you got going there Russell.  It's okay because I and at least a
few others know what you said and what you are and that you are the one who
saves everything that goes through t.p.a.  You can run but, you can't hide.

>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000


Mike Linan