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From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: (Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme)
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:27:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <BzFppB.Ltp@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>People normally ephasis on sujective factors when they had success, and
>emphsis on objective factors when they had failures. When quick often hear
>that people contributed to their economic success to "HARD WOOOKING", probably
>to certain extent it is true people need to work hard. they normally ignore
>other external factors--LUCK which they had no conrol at all.
>Stupidity with luck is more dangerous than stupidity without luck, because
>the luck encourage people to have more stupidity.
>
So, we agree that the so-called "Taiwan experience" cannot be a good
model.  We also agree that the so-called "Economic Miracle" was not
due to the skillful technocrats of the ROC-in-exile (RIE).

I don't know about this "stupidity" and "luck" thing.  Some people
say that fools are the lucky ones.

William Huang
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:09:29 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <8923@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:
>
>In article <Bz9z5F.Jt5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>
>>According to The Chronicle of Higher Education dated November 25th, Chinese
>>students rank number one in the US with a total of 42,940 in the academic
>>year of 92-93. The top ten  countries of foreign students are as follows:
>>
>>   1.    China    42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
>>   2.    Japan    40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
>>   3.    Taiwan   35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650
>>   4.    India    32,530          9.   Indonesia  10,250
>>   5.    S. Korea 25,720         10.   Pakistan    8,120
>>
>Since a lot of arguments on the net concerning the name of Taiwan, 
>let's do a little experiment:
>
>1. What's your first impression of this subject line
>   ' [News] Chinese Students Rank....'?  
>   In your fisrt impression, are Taiwanese students included here?

Nope.

>2. After you continue to read that post, you see the third item is about
>   Taiwan.  What name do you prefer here?  (ROC; R.O. China; Taiwan,ROC;
>   Taiwan; Chinese,Taipei; or doesn't matter as long as you know what it is.)

Taiwan.

>3. Do you agree with this kind of category?  Do you think Taiwan's statistic
>   number should be inlucded into the category 'China'?
>

No, because they have a different mindset, different background...
In fact, I hope they'd continue to have a separate category for HK after 1997.

NGOK
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16149 soc.culture.china:32573
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:16:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <143143@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
> 
> I don't know if I treated my mainland friends differently or not.  And
> you might be right, chances are that I might but not knowing about it.
> But one thing I know for sure, I will always feel closer to my mainland
> friends than I will ever with a Taiwanese no matter how long I have been
> or will be in US, with the kind of arrogant attitudes exhibited constantly
> by you Taiwanese (see your own post below).

	** This is a separated issue. They shouldn't be mixed.
	   However, I must say, in general, I agree with you.
> 
> ->
> ->	** Just let you know one more thing I know about mainlanders:
> ->	   In general, mainlanders are easier to change their living
> ->	   attitude by environments.
> 
> Geez, I always believe it's the other way around.

	** The reasons for my statement are that: 1) Mainland people
	   live under communism and communism is materialism. (if
	   you want to argue about this, I wish you first point out
	   how am I wrong). 2) Mainlanders are in general poor in
	   economics. Have you heard: "You3 Chian2 Nan2 S3 Gwei3 Twei1
	   Mo4" (have money able make ghost push millstone)

	** You think the other way around. OK, what is your reason?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:17320 soc.culture.celtic:8068
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:00:40 GMT
	<1992Dec8.113530.17278@rdg.dec.com> <Byy478.Kpt@ecf.toronto.edu>
	<JIM.92Dec11122231@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <JIM.92Dec11122231@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:


   Similar trouble is likely if/when Prince Charles succeeds - there
   have been no Kings called Charles in Scotland, but two in England.

Come now, Charles the first was born in Dunfermline, they were Stuarts.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:09:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.140711.5659@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>calum@ivy.clu.cf.ac.uk (Calum Gordon) writes:
>| Because Wales is technically a principality (whatever that is) rather
>| than a Kingdom, i guess. Can you imagine the UJ with a bloody great red
>| dragon in the middle of it anyway?
>
>Umm -- yes!  With the added benefit of making it harder to fly upside
>down (except by stoned US marines).

Hmmmm

_Is_ there a right side up for the Union Jack? I thought it was the 
Canadian flag that was carried in upside down.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:00:44 GMT

snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle) writes:
: 
: Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
: berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
: coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!

Presumably you are both judging by the sort of people you meet!	
If the people you have most to do with are horrible jerks, then that's how
you'll judge the rest of. LG's spent lots of time in contact with compros
bureaucrats, academics, and (worst) academic bureaucrats commected with
computing.
 RB is lucky, he lives with a variety of people.  But the two opinions are
not, unfortunately, mutually exclusive.

Richard Pennell, History NUS.
From: jim@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Jim  Scobbie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: If the Wales' divorce
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:59:46 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Since the Monarach + brood are 'officially' church of scotland
when in scotland, Charlie could always get divorced remarried and
set up  his court north of the border. He'd not be crowned by
the CofE, to be sure, but he could find a tame minister easily enough.


Jim :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Should Britain be a Federal State?
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:14:53 GMT

There has been a lot of discussion about monarchy. Who will be 1st
Chairman of EU Comission or His/Her Majesty in the future? When
British monarch is inferior to his Bureacracy does that mean that
whole the non-EC Commonwealth will be a protectorate of EU?

How will you manage a Scottish question and the status of non-EC
British Commonwealth.

- olli -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:13:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Dec18.085553.24128@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>(or, three leopards passant gardant gules) are for England, and
>as you say appear in two quarters; the others hold the scots
>lion (or, a lion rampant gules in trefoil contrefoil gules) and

Double tressure floried gules, actually. Meaning a double
border which doesn't actually touch the edge, with fleur-de-lis
sticking out of it, all in red. And the arms of England are
gules, three lions passant gardant or - as you've described it,
it would be red lions on a gold background (I am not sure about
the leopards - I think you may be right that it can be correct
to describe a lion passant gardant as a leopard in heraldry,
but I couldn't say for certain).

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.053704.9334@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>: Your children's heritage is being changed to suit the times in which
>: they live.  There is nothing wrong with that.  BTW if you look up
>: "golliwog" in a dictionary, you might be mildly surprised at how the
>: definition reads.
>
>COLLINS CONCISE (huh!) DICTIONARY PLUS (london & Glasgow: Collins, 1989) p530
>
>Golliwog: n. a soft doll with a black face usuallyy made from cloth or rags	
>
>Why's that surprising (even mildly)??	
>
>Oh wait a mo: do you mean the etymology?	
>
>[C19:from a doll in a series of AMerican children's books]
>
>Details please
>
>Richard Pennell History NUS


Should have specified which dictionary, shouldn't I?  Here's the text
from mine, the difference is interesting:

	golliwog or golliwogg n. [After Golliwog, a character in books
	by Bertha Upton (d. 1912)] 1. A grotesque black male doll.
	2. A grotesque person.

This definition is taken from _Webster's II New Riverside University
Dictionary_ (c. 1984).  The word is defined similarly in my father's 40+ 
year old "Collegiate Dictionary" (can't remember the exact name).  These
were, of course, published in America.  We haven't got one from the UK
here, it's in N. Yorks.  We are silly enough to think that we
don't need the American there or the British here.  So to speak.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Subject: Re:sesame st./Magic roundabout
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:37:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160806.9130@maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
> 
 
> Stop 'Sesame St' before it's too late. Make them watch 'Bagpuss' or 'The
> Magic Roundabout' instead - good, solid entertainment, chockablock
> with English accents.
> 
> God save the Queen! God save Prince Charles! Down with the European
> Anti-Christ League!
> 
> Paul Sheriff Yodel.
> 
It's too late, you've been deceived!!!

The Magic Roundabout is French!!!!!!!!!!

Boooiiinnnnngggggg, time for bed (said Zebedee).

David N. Chorley (tiny Clanger, but that's my own problem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:08:06 GMT

dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>The only problem with an otherwise excellent program is that I ended up
>with a son who kept saying "zee" rather than "zed" because of a rather nifty
>little alphabet tune he memorised from the program.

>Oh..and 'tomaetoes' too rather than "tomahtoes"

This is truly frightening. Isn't it obvious? 'Sesame St' is A CIA FRONT.
Think of it. Get the kids to start speaking in an American accent - the
next thing, they'll want to be part of the US.

Stop 'Sesame St' before it's too late. Make them watch 'Bagpuss' or 'The
Magic Roundabout' instead - good, solid entertainment, chockablock
with English accents.

God save the Queen! God save Prince Charles! Down with the European
Anti-Christ League!

Paul Sheriff Yodel.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Subject: irish university addr
Reply-To: "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:37:48 EST


I have a buddy who would like to get in touch with his cousin  at 
the   University  College in Dublin, Ireland.  Does  anyone  have 
this institutions INTERNET address?

His  cousin  is  I believe an Assistant  Professors  of  Physics, 
Richard Waghorn.

My buddy's Internet address follows;

pcusa01!rbrewst0@uunet.uu.net       ( or )

uunet.ca!mail.uunet.ca!.uu.net!coplex!pcsa01!rbrewst0

His name is Robert Brewster.

Any help in the above would be most appreciated.

THANK YOU!

Regards,

Barry
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: rogerp@sr.hp.com (Roger Pollard)
Subject: Re: U.K. --> N. American voltage transformers and plugs
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:42:34 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

There are three problems relating to using US appliances in the UK
    (a)  the voltage  ( US = 110V,  UK = 240V )
    (b)  the frequency  ( US = 60 Hz, UK = 50 Hz )
    (c)  the plug on the power cord  
                    o               |
       (    US =   | |        UK = - -  )

There is no problem if you buy your converter in the UK.  Very few
appliances will notice the difference in frequency (usually only those
with synchronous motors; fairly unusual) and it certainly waon't do
any damage.  The real problem is that transformers which are designed
(at low cost with little margin) for 60Hz will overheat when run on
a 50 Hz supply. The same applies for converters which are designed
to step down the voltage from 240 to 110 without taking into account
the effect of the different frequency (commonly done with electric
shavers which are only used for short periods, so no-one will notice).

If you buy the bits and pieces you need in the UK, you won't have any problems
since everyone knows about 240V, 50Hz and square-pin plugs over there
(know-how which is fairly rare in the US).

Hope this helps!

(normally resident in Leeds, England ... )
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Bicycle brake requirements in Britain
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:40:40 GMT

snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle) writes:
: 
: The latest "sport" of the Masses in Berlin's SW areas is to see how
: quick a cyclist can get themselves in the mortality statistics by
: riding on the wrong side of the road middle of the night (i suspect
: sometimes with eyes closed..!) and take thier chances that they will
: be still seen in time by the car/truck drivers despite total LACK of
: lighting! And of course when the car driver does manage to get his
: sick kid trown from the back of the car to the front bye emergancy
: braking the treet comes of being verbally abused along the lines of 
: "you fu*king car drivers in your armoured platting etc!" or evenbetter
: in an apparent attempt to even up the chances one gets at least one
: headlight kicked in!

	You have that in GERMANY TOO? Mind you here we have bus drivers
who are actively engaged in obliging the suicidal cyclists. Sado-Masochism
ain't in it.


:   Well thats anarchist "intellect!" for you!

	 No that's not the explanation. Singapore has realtively few
anarchists. . . .

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:59:36 GMT

Alison Hall (ahall@library1.library.carleton.ca) wrote:
> >Simon Patience wrote:
> >> Dave Sharif Yadallee wrote (if you can call it writing)
> >>   I furthur arge that the people show, based on a value system, should keep the
> >> government in check.
> >
> >Shurely, as well asthat, it shold only be people. govenrments should not,
> >no circonstunces, be allwed to do it.
> 
> Um, what?
> 
The article was in fact an RFD for the formation of the group 
alt.usage.yadallean.  Surely that is not obvious, is it?

> >Simon.
> >
> >Marks out of 10 anyone?
> >
> >  Simon Patience
> 

7.1   7.4  4.9 (that from the Russians)  9.95 (USA overmarking as usual)

0.1 (DSY) (a nation of one and a legend in his own lunchtime)

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In soc.culture.british, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>   Excuse me, but do you want to end like the USA?  The monarchy is NOT
> anachronistic!!  If you ever hear of the Ismailis, they have a monarchy of
> its own, nemevolent in nature, philanthropic and very nice people!!

	Doesn't anyone else get sick of ex-pats telling us how to spend our
 money and run our government? Dave, sit down, calm down and stop pretending
 to be British. 

	arf
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mistletoe
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:55:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <29452@castle.ed.ac.uk> huw@castle.ed.ac.uk (H G J Evans) writes:
>It should be pointed out that all of these things were introduced to
>'Christianity' by the early Roman Church. At the reformation, these and
>many other extra Biblical accretions were dumped by the new Protestant
>Churches (I don't include the Anglican Church in that), and to this day
>'reformed' churches (at least the ones of my acquaintance) have nothing
>to do with Christmas, as a religious festival.
>
No doubt considering it highly sinful to celebrate the fact
that Jesus was a man, born of a woman, who lived among us. Much
better to think of him as a few words in a book (which you
conveniently forget to mention was also introduced by the early
Roman Church).

Matthew Huntbach
From: spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mistletoe
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:51:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Dec11.175507.14402@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|In article <29452@castle.ed.ac.uk> huw@castle.ed.ac.uk (H G J Evans) writes:
|>It should be pointed out that all of these things were introduced to
|>'Christianity' by the early Roman Church. At the reformation, these and
|>many other extra Biblical accretions were dumped by the new Protestant
|>Churches (I don't include the Anglican Church in that), and to this day
|>'reformed' churches (at least the ones of my acquaintance) have nothing
|>to do with Christmas, as a religious festival.
|>
|No doubt considering it highly sinful to celebrate the fact
|that Jesus was a man, born of a woman, who lived among us. Much
|better to think of him as a few words in a book (which you
|conveniently forget to mention was also introduced by the early
|Roman Church).
|
I would have thought most churches celebrated that fact every week! The
problem with Christmas (today at any rate - and it was just the same
back in the 16th Century) is that the Christian celebration which would
take place anyway gets totally overwhelmed by the sheer weight of pagan
seasonal add-ons which, as is its wont, the RC church has never done
anything particular to discourage.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy Christmas! But all the acoutrements to it
start so early nowadays that by the time December 25th comes round I'm
bored with the whole idea and just want to get on with the rest of the
year.


-- 
Steve Morris,
Adran Ffiseg a Seryddiaeth, Coleg Prifysgol Cymru Caerdydd.
(Physics and Astronomy Dept., UWC Cardiff)
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From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Green cards
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.1992Dec16.114904.1
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine

In article <Bz9AD4.9B8@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
> Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
> the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
> reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 
> 
> The reason I ask is: some years ago, I went back to London and
> left my Green card at home in California. On my return to the US
> the Immigration wallahs were naturally a bit suspicious and
> although I was allowed back, I had to pay a visit to the San
> Francisco office of the INS to prove I had a card. During this
> visit, I produced said card with a flourish and was chastised for
> displaying it so prominently. The only reason I could see for this
> admonishment, assuming the general design of the cards to be the
> same, was that the colour might be significant. Or was the INS
> official just being a wally?
> 
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I lost my green card in a house move and had it replaced with one which was
pink!!!!!
	It also has an expiration date, which my original never had.

David N. Chorley