HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Clinton fucks up!
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:04:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Just Some Guy


	WARNING: Mr. LaBiche's post has been hacked to ribbons.

In article <1992Aug31.140341.23721@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.000018.11890@eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu
>(George B. Clark) writes:
>|>In article <1992Aug29.213123.19508@ncsu.edu> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu
>(Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>|>>
>|>>Abortion is not a religious issue, it is a legal and moral issue. 
>|>>
>|>>There are many good arguments against abortion which are based on 
>|>>secular thought.  Come over to talk.abortion sometime and you'll 
>|>>find them. 
>
>No thanks Doug.  It wouldn't change my feelings about abortion one bit.

	Obviously Mo has missed the point of talk.abortion.  I don't read
the newsgroup myself, but I read alt.flame, which seems to be an alias
for talk.abortion anyway.  As far as I can tell, talk.abortion has absolutely
nothing to do with changing anyone's feelings or even having rational
discussions.  It is for ranting and raving.

	Now talk.origins is a wacky, zany, madcap group if you want in-depth
mind-changing.  You bet! (1/2 :-), 1/2 :-P)

--
Steve Buffum           | "Jane!  Stop this crazy thing! -- G. Jetson
swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:31:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug28.155723.3187@u.washington.edu>,
rons@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ronald Schoenberg) wrote:

> Why do you think he keeps a small apartment in Texas that he visits once
> a year?  Gary Trudeau exposed his specious Texas residency for the purpose
> of avoiding taxes in a series of Doonesbury cartoons.  He even published
> a form which you could send to some Texas department which would establish
> your Texas residency so you could avoid taxes too just like George Bush.

You could do it too.  It's perfectly legal and there is nothing wrong with
it.  

You are assuming intentions.  Why not have a reporter ask the candidate why
he has Texas as his residence?
--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
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From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Summary: No Rights with Right2Lifers
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:58:03 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

Ya just got to love the thinking behind the reactionary right.

Abortions - 	Immoral, we can't allow killing those innocent children.
Crime - 	Tougher laws, put those criminals in jail, more police.
Guns - 		Hey, A God  <the Christian God, only one we tolerate, right?>
		Given Right.
Welfare -	Fuck the poor.
Death Penality  Kill the criminals before they can reproduce and try an
		abortion.

Like, Duh.  Think about it.  Who gets pregnant unintentionally?  The Poor.
So, you cut off their access to abortions and what do you get?  Poor Children,
who grow up and become, in most likelihood <and don't feed me your
American Dream Crap - that went with the reduction of aid to Colleges and
inner-city schools> they become poor adults.

Now, still with me?  Who commits most of the crime?  Well educated white
folks with college degrees and some sense of stability?  Not!  

So basically, the short sighted, Reactionary Right Wing Puppets of the 
Southern Fundamentalists want to force you to have a kid you don't want to 
have, don't want to raise, and couldn't afford to raise even if you did.

His future? 
He lives in a city that we can't afford to subsidize.  He goes to poor 
schools that have their funding reduced more and more as the majority of the
country's tax base relocates to the suburbs.  With limited choices, he is
much more likely to become a criminal.  No you say?  Well, if poor inner-
city people aren't the criminals then who are?  Us white bread suburbenites,
I don't think so. 

So, now we have created a criminal.
He is well armed because all you Right Wing Gun Loving Hillbilly Rednecks
think that any moment now America might turn into Nazi Germany if we have
any sort of gun control.
Our Tax Dollars now have to go into larger police departments, who are more
likely to beat the shit out of people because they are scared to death
of all those fully automatic machine guns that you Field&Stream types need
for hunting those savage deer.
Our Prisons are out of control.
And now, at the other end of the spectrum, the bunch of you want to implement
the Death Penality.

I really don't get it.  Some one please explain it to me.  <man, if that
doesn't turn out to be an unnecessary request>  Make sure that kid is
born.  Don't give a shit about him until he uses the guns you make sure he
has access to for purposes of crime.  Pour money into the police.  Catch
that fucker and put him in The Chair.

Well.  Glad I got that off my chest.  By the way,  Clinton is a complete
DipShit, and I am not seriously gonna vote Libertarian.  I guess I may
try to stay in Europe.  

Flame On, Rednecks!

Ian Malone
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From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms  (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:47:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


One thing that bothers me is:
  Why is the school, esp. Public schools the one doing the sex ed, and not
the family where the primary education should be.   We must be careful not
to get to a point where socialism and communistic ideas take a hold of our
country.

  Sex ed today is like teaching kids how to have sex without getting caught.

  But happens when they do "get caught?"  


  Children today are having a difficult time going through life because 
there is so much confusion in the world today.  Sometimes the families
are very unstable.  Sometimes, what the family teaches often gets contradicted
with what the schools teach.  Peers pressure children to do things they
wouldn't do had they had been taught to be strong and to have strong values
which stand the test of time.

   We don't need public schools to confuse our children even more.

   Leave the role of the primary sex educator to the family, and not
government.
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From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: New poll results
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:41:10 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

According to CNN, _core_ support, people who say there is no way that
they'd vote for the other guy go 43 % Clinton, 29% Bush.  Thus, Clinton
needs 1/4 of the undecideds, Bush, 3/4.



-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"No Blood for Oil!" ?  But Blood is a renewable resource, Oil isn't!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Doonsbury prophesy
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:59:54 GMT

I was re-reading some old Doonesbury today, and I came across a color
strip that was incredibly accurate considering it was penned four
years ago.

PRESIDENT BUSH, DAY ONE:

"Good morning everyone. I thought I'd give you all a progress report.
So far, I've said the pledge, and I haven't joined the ACLU, and I
haven't furloughed any murderers. I've delivered on my entire mandate,
and it isn't even lunch yet."

"Congratulations sir." "Yes sir, well done."

"Thank you."

Pause

"So now what?"

"Stall sir. We're working on it..."

"Mr. President, if you died right now, I'd continue your policies!"

"Thank you Danny. Working on what?"

I don't know what is more amazing...that Garry Trudeau predicted the
"Status Quo Presidency of George Bush" four years ago...or that Garry
Trudeau was the ONLY person to predict what became the increasingly
obvious.

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush/Florida/Hurricane Andrew
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:10:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <PquHqB1w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>,
elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) wrote:

> Hurricane hits.  Bush sends troops to Homestead AFB, a federal installation.
> He sends a MASH, field kitchens and food for a division, and a Navy
> construction batallion.  The SeaBees clear the base, the MASH staff sets up a
> hospital, and the food workers get ready to feed storm victims.  He tells the
> Governor that there's lots of stuff just waiting for his people on this
> *federal reservation*.  No violation of states' rights necessary.  Just a
> little caring and quick-thinking by the Bush administration.

Easy to say now, after the event.  Were you espousing this view before the
hurricane hit?  

> Nobody can complain because the government can stage whatever troops it wants
> on its own base.  Of course, they just can't go roaming about in the community.
> But that's not important in the first days after a storm.  The National Guard
> units of a state can handle security of an area, provide protection from
> looters, and can assist in physical rescue efforts.  What was needed from the
> military in this case was food, water, and medical care, and *fast*.  That
> didn't happen because Bush was too busy hustling photo-ops.

And what Clinton is doing this weekend is not a photo op?  Please spare me.
 
> No, Blame Bush.  Blame his staff for not moving.  There is no such thing these
> days as states' rights.  Florida certainly has none, since there's no way the
> state or Dade County will be able to rebuild without federal help.  States
> rights are a myth perpetuated by Republicans and racists (when the two are not
> the same).

I guess you really do want a King.  Why not just tear down state borders
and just let the President do everything?  He offered troops and was TURNED
DOWN by the Governor of the state of Florida (Newsweek).

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
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From: hsu_wh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (William H Hsu)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms  (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:45:41 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug26.210515.6149@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.150756.6925@cbnews.cb.att.com> jap@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.a.parker) writes:
>>   a) Pleasure is a positive value.
>>   b) It is immoral to deprive people of pleasure simply because you disapprove
>>      of the means of obtaining it.


>Let's say I find it pleasurable to find virgins off the street, kidnap them
>torture them break a few of their bones, abuse their bodies, have sex with
>them, and if they have children...
[rest of gory analogy deleted]

	That's funny -- I can only think of one Virgin with Child.
	On the subject of subjective morality, what does everybody think of
Pat Robertson's letter on the ERA?
[paraphrased] "The ERA is not a women's issue.  It is about radical feminists
who want all women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
witchcraft, and become lesbians."

	I for one am glad I never bothered to watch the _700 Club_.

- William Hsu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Legacy of a "Family Values" Presidency
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:04:54 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory

Clinton Bashes Bush on Health-Care Policy (excerpt)
  Associated Press

  Bill Clinton yesterday held out his pledge of health care for all Americans
as a contrast to what he said were President Bush's efforts to help the rich
while driving up medical costs for the elderly.

  The Democratic nominee told a senopr citizens group that Bush's balance-the-
budget promises would force deep cuts in Medicare and increase out-of-pocket
medical costs for 30 million older Americans by $2,000 over five years.

  At the same time, Clinton said, Bush was pushing a capital gains tax cut that
would funnel more money to the wealthiest Americans.

  "Four more years of George Bush means more millionaires with vacation homes
and more older Americans having trouble paying their gas and electric bills
in their own homes," Clinton said.  [...]

  Clinton said he could bring down the deficit by controlling health care
costs, reducing the federal work force by 100,000 through attrition and doing
away with waste such as $600-an-hour lawyers' fees paid in the S&L bailout.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|   "This is not a tax break for the rich, it is a creation of small jobs."   |
|     -- President George Herbert "Hoover" Bush, 15-JAN-92                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte)
Subject: Re: Why Bush whould/will burn for the delay in florida
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:38:04 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <16534@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, by fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu:
> I guess this points out the fact that Bush is a reactive
> President.  I doubt that he's done something to prevent a situation
> in his life.  The only time that I can recall him setting a policy
> that wasn't a _reaction_ to an event is his giving agricultural 
> credits to the Iraqis.:-)

Yep, he wasn't able to stop Andrew.  Bet Clinton could've.

> -MeatHead

^^^^^^^^^^^
'Bout covers it.

Bill Nolte
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Progressive taxes
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:31:33 GMT

Many of you are under the impression that soaking the rich will
solve all of our nation's financial difficulties.
	Ther are a few problems with this.
	First of all, as Adam Smith wrote, it is unwise to create a tariff
which is too large, because the total income decreases due to resultant
smuggling.  A small tariff will at least be paid honestly.
	People with lots of income WILL find loopholes. If you assume
that human ingenuity is incapable of worming its way through bureaucratic
formation you ignore the existence of smuggling, black markets, clandestine
activities, etc.  Not only do those with a high income stand the
most to lose, but they are also those with the best resources to avoid that
loss.  I predict, that if Clinton's heavy progressive tax is implemented,
n(where n>1, n<14) years after it is implemented the total income
from wealthy sources will drop, and the government will have to
institutionalize 'rigorous auditing,' and will have an audit police.
Maybe taxes will even have to be raised more. Who knows.
	What will be the effect of this? I would not doubt that the central
banking sytem itself would collapse from a resultant lack of use of
the standard currency as opposed to ,yes, barter or other as yet unknown
methods of tax avoidance.  Perhaps capital will be sent to countries
where there is not such a high tax, and workers, thanks to modern communicationsand transportation, can work in those countries.
	My point is, you are fooling yourselves if you think that you
can 'overload the burrow.'  Unfortunately, the American people do not
seem to have a good historical sense of their economy and legislation.
An effect generated by a twenty year old cause is related to more
recent activities often mistakenly.  It seems many of you are arguing
over who did what, and who is at fault.  Thus, whatever the cause, the
only thing we can look forward to are popularist politicians(Pericles,
Hitler,Clinton) enacting 'quick-fix' legislation that causes problems
which haunt us for generations. My advice, my children- do not
blindly follow any politician running for office.

				J. Wagner
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Evolutionist lies
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:18:07 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article EKF@world.std.com, believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>I urge all GOD fearing Americans to write to the Republican party and
>demand a stand against the forces of evolutionism. Can we expect to remove
>the scourge of drugs, homosexualism, and secular humanism while ignoring
>the root of the problem?
>
There's a man who knows what he's talking about!  If we had never evolved,
we'd never have any of those other problems.  I mean, has anybody on the net
heard of drugs, homosexualism or secular humanism on Mars?  And, "Mars is
essentially in the same orbit as the earth, somewhat the same distance from
the Sun, which is very important.  We have seen pictures where there are
canals, we believe, and water.  If there is water, that means there is
oxygen.  If oxygen, that means we can breathe" (from that fine Republican
scholar, Dan Quayle).

>Evolutionism attempts to write GOD out of our lives and the world. Read
>talk.origins to see its true consequences. Our children are taught a
>Pagan doctrine of a world without GOD as though it was fact. We must
>fight to regain the schools of America! As prayer was taken out of our
>schools Pagan dogma was put in its place.
>
Sorry, I never prayed in school, and I was never taught of a world without
God.  My pappy taught me well.  And don't put words into the theory of
Evolution.  It just explains what the facts show.  Sorta like the theory
of gravity.  

Note to people who think that "theory" means unproven: not in a
scientific context.  An anomoly or change in the theory does not make the
results false, no more than if an anomoly in the theory of gravitation
was found, we would suddenly all shoot into space without warning.

>-- 
>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
..all others pay cash B-)
>--+--                                                            --+--
>  |                                                                |
>  |                                                                |

--f2
----------------
  Bush-Quayl '92
  It's a mistake
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:30:53 GMT
Distribution: world, na, usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

>It's common knowledge that many women on welfare choose to have more
>children for the purpose of getting increased welfare payments.

When I was young, and starting to date, my mother admonished me not to
go out with "common women".

I find that admonition applies to "common knowledge" too.  Cheap, trashy,
with little substance,  and likely to give your brain a disease if you
take it home...
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Evolutionist lies
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:

>I urge all GOD fearing Americans to write to the Republican party and
>demand a stand against the forces of evolutionism. Can we expect to remove
>the scourge of drugs, homosexualism, and secular humanism while ignoring
>the root of the problem?

Are you saying that God is a Republican?  I don't remember reading this in
the Bible.  Maybe we're using different translation.

>Evolutionism attempts to write GOD out of our lives and the world. Read
>talk.origins to see its true consequences. Our children are taught a
>Pagan doctrine of a world without GOD as though it was fact.

But seriously, I do beg to differ.  Evolution is *not* taught as *fact*.
It is taught as a *theory* and a *scientific theory* at that.  Meaning
that it is taught within the context of the scientific method.

>We must
>fight to regain the schools of America! As prayer was taken out of our
>schools Pagan dogma was put in its place.

I'm not opposed to teaching ABOUT religion in public schools, but I am
opposed to the teaching OF religion.  I feel that it is important that
young people understand the differences between the major religions of
the world.  It would make their study of history and literature much more
meaningful and it would also relate to their lives, since most American
students have some religion, whether they be Christian, Islamic, Buddhist,
Jewish or Native, etc. etc.  

But I don't believe that we should teach our students to pray.  That is
the duty of the parent.  Would you leave something as important as faith
and religion to someone outside your family who may not even share the same
faith that you do.

But then, I forget, you wish to impose your faith upon everyone else.

Sigh...

>-- 
>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
>--+--                                                            --+--
>  |                                                                |
>  |                                                                |

Indeed, She will provide.  

Heh heh heh!

Sharon
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu
From: dsh@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: RNC platform please
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Carolina State University

The Republican platform can be found in the August 22nd issue of
the Congressional Quarterly, which can be found at most major
public University libraries in the government documents section.