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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:38:18 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Acronyms/Gender
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> Natalie - I'm not sure that acronyms have to be pronouncable.  I didn't
> mean to suggest that anyone would try to pronounce UL as a word.  "An ewl" ?
> "An ool" ?

I'm not sure either, but that's the way I define "acronym."  I don't consider
something like MLA an acronym, although I do consider SAMLA and SCMLA
(pronounced scum-la) acronyms.

(MLA=Modern Language Association, SAMLA=South Atlantic MLA, SCMLA=South
Central MLA.  Of the three, SAMLA is the best in every way.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:03:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Offbeat Westerns
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>There's a whole bunch of Westerns that are squarely in the genre but at
>the same time outside it.  CAT BALLOU comes to mind.  Here are some others:
How about SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF?  It's a wonderful, funny Western,
and I love James Garner!  There are some other terrific actors in it,
too, including Bruce Dern, Joan Hackett, Walter Brennan, Harry Morgan,
and Jack Elam.  I've watched it many times, and I never get tired of
it (of course, that could be some grave character defect, but if so,
it's one I think I'll keep!).

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: WHTMIQR13
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:41:37 GMT


In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>>sunscreen is my favorite thing to wear in the sun. It's that or fry"  But
>>a POEM?!  I am a writer of BAD DOGGEREL, not a purveyor of poesy.<phaugh>
>Ruth, not your poem, but my short guest poem about schizo ...
Schizophrenia is never having to say "I'm lonely"?  Forgot all about it.
I thought I must have been dreaming; no bad doggerel, or even good doggerel
has emerged from keyboard or pen for days now....

>>So you were listening to the Republican convention too huh?
>Actually, the TV was on in the other room, I was *trying* to fix a production
>problem.  Was the the real convention?  I thought it was some comedy show.

	You could say that - Pat Buchannon and Ronnie.  Pat's a bit 
reactionary for my tastes, but he has a good writer of elegant put downs.:-)  
So does Reagan - whoever writes his speeches knows her/his stuff....
 
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:07:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: List wars
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> > If all 182 Wordslers subscribe to LITERARY, I think we could take
> > the thing over.  Has anything like that ever been done?
> > Infiltration of an enemy list?
>
> 	Yes.  In recent memory as a matter of fact (BTW, I had no
> idea word count could be such a hotly debated topic).
>
> Rita

Actually, folks, *I* was once an active poster on LITERARY, before
I knew that the elegant Blue Moon Saloon existed, and I got into a
very satisfying discussion about the use of the word <fuck> as
opposed to the use of the word <f*ck> in main-stream popular novels
in the U.S. around 1950.  Some of the posters got *very* eerioussay
about it before it had run its course.  They would not tolerate all
the foolish idle prattle-chatter that makes this milieu such a
unique, fascinating, *depressing* place to be.  So take my word for
it..... STAY AWAY.  You will be seduced into thinking that you are
some kind of <literary critic> if you hang around in those environs
for too long.  I barely escaped with my li-yuf.
--ggs (more mature now....)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:59:10 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Urban wildlife
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>Do you ALWAYS name your victims before murdering them?  Wouldn't it
>depersonalize it a LITTLE bit if you didn't name them first?


Oh, man, I thought that "naming penii" thread had already died out.

-abh
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:08:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      WHTMIQR4
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What Happened To Me In Quintana Roo 5
------------------------------------------
17 ?)  On way to hotel, notice a restaurant by water: Carlos 'n
Charlie's and think oh good we ate in that one in Ixtapa four
years ago and it was really fun.  Remember that for later (oh
will we be sorry about that as we shall see.....)  It is definitely
*not* true that if you have seen one Carlos 'n Charlie's you have
seen them all.
18)  Afternoon relaxing and swimming and walking on beach and
taking the sun (ggs, not tc) and going twice to the convention
hotel to register and finding each time no one at the registration
table, realizing well we *are* in Mexico you know.....  No one,
or almost no one, in the convention hotel.  Obviously everyone
has caught on.  Convention in Cancun means a good excuse to go
there but Convention?  (<wink wink>).... Where the hell is
everyone?  On one trip to hotel with tc, run into first acquaintance,
someone whom tc particularly dislikes....  such good timing....
begins to thing about ggs' toy again as if by magic....  Not my
fault that this female person happened to turn up and kiss me on
the cheek and proceed to ignore tc as if she were not even there.
*Not* *my* *fault*.....
-----------------
More later.... almost the deadline any moment now....
--ggs
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:35:23 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The sole of a new machine
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              "ktw@POLARIS.ATT.COM" at Aug 20, 92 11:07 am

> Just testing from here to see if the list can get messages from
> a machine running csh under SunOS.
> Ken

That's the way I send messages to the list (and elm, of course).

rashmi
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:08:29 U
From:         Anne <harwell@SMTPGATE.TECHRSCS.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Project H Update
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For those of you interested in such things...the messages from Project H
recently have been concerned with asking and answering members' questions
regarding how to do various things in WordPerfect, such as open two windows on
the screen at once, and count the number of words in a document.

We were UPSET about these people? Hah! I say! Hah!

Older and wiser,
-abh
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:21:32 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Phonology and tv
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Karen said:
        Interesting.  Because mass media is named as a major
        propagator of-- my mind went blank.  Modern Standard
        Chinese.  Ditto for the decline in use of dialects by
        young people in Japan.

        A lot of this is pronunciation of words they already
        know.  (In Japanese the choice of inflectional morphology
        is an issue.)

Mass media is definitely a propagator of ABN (Algemeen Beschaafd
Nederlands, literally, cultivated Dutch).  My texts say that dialect is
still used regularly for family/friend situations, but is in the decline
in more public situations.  A recent tv show I've seen suggests a bit of
change.  Here, in the western part of Holland where the cities are growing
together, a dentist in Amsterdam prefers to hire a receptionist who
speaks ABN, rather than one who sounds like she comes from Amsterdam.
In Maastricht though, a recent college graduate who has moved there from
another part of the country for his new job, studies the local dialect
(yes, there is actually a class offered) because he feels left out.

(It should be noted that people do not move around much from where they
grew up in this country.)

The dialects here vary so much that people of different dialects really
can't understand each other (or at least that's what I've been told)
when speaking in dialect.  There's a center here in Amsterdam, and one
of the things they do is make maps of what gets used where.  It's an
interesting problem because what means a two-pronged pitchfork in one
place means a three-pronged one in another as well, so not only do you
have to see that the same word is being used, but you've got to make
sure it means the same thing.  (Do we do this in English?  I can't think
of an example.)

S
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: gonadological oppression
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:22:58
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In-reply-to: N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU's message of 20 Aug 92 02:27:00 GMT

Giggles rights observes:

   I consider a feminist to be a person who believes that women *are* equal
to men and whose actions are grounded in that belief.


I'd just like to add my observation.  I'm sure this doesn't hold everywhere
for everyone, but I have definitely noticed a difference in M/F relations
in teens and early "twenty-something-ers".  Equality is on the "you & me as
people" not "your role and my role".  I'm not saying this very well, but I
really have noticed that "equality" isn't an issue.  They don't deal on a
gender basis but on a person basis--people do what they want to do and the
only limitation is their own motivation.  Like I said, I know this doesn't
hold everywhere--but in the kids I see from my old boarding school and the
freshmen I encounter while doing alumni things I definitely see it.

<Personal note:>

Growing up I never considered I wasn't "equal" "because" I was a <girl>...I
was better at nearly everything than most boys and girls I knew.  What a
shock it was to learn the hard way that the distinction between the sexes
is institutionalized...especially in my field of interest (diplomacy) the
patronage network is thriving despite ridiculous efforts to require
"non-discriminatory" hiring.

Ptth.

Sorry for all the bandwidth...just kinda touched a point of <interest>
w/me.

//anne//

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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Today's Trivia
Reply-To: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:42:41 GMT


In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>
>Sounds like Horace, my third cousin twice removed.  He once stole a
Is Horace a <PC Alert!>  person of color?  This joker was....

>set of chrome plated rachet wrenches for a '57 Edsel from my basement,
>leaving behind two 4-head vcr's and a brand new 45-rpm record player
>worth roughly $37.95 on the flea-market circuit at the time.  Horace
Query - did either you or he have an Edsel?  If not, why were the wrenches
around to be stolen?
>disappeared several months afterward and was last seen sitting under
>a palm tree on Isla Mujeres yelling <fuera fuera> at a pack of
><beagles> passing by in search of food.  Horace is *not* bright.
That is to be surmised - if he was yelling at beagles, who don't understand
his language.....
 
>
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:40:43 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: TshirtII, Cubbies 0
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Posted on 22 Aug 1992 at 12:54:43 by Bandwidth Pig
> Member Words-L All-Amazon Assault Force

I want one.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:12:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender
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> bimbos and funky glasses.  So-called back formations--and male
> feminists--which I never said I was--who make Le Pig puke.  Gotta
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> stay on top of this list all the time, dontya.
>
> -Mka

*Somebody*'s about to get beat up and thrown to the beagles.
Woof woof gobble gobble slurp slurp burp.
--ggs (get off get off *I* want to be on top.....)
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:17:50 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      re: good evening to you all
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              16 Aug 1992 08:58:38 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:58:38 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>I wondered the same thing.  My first reaction was to reply "It's been
>out on video for ages."  Then I thought, "Hmmm.  Obviously, there's
>some kind of joke here that I'm not catching."

well, guess I am SO culturally deprived....though know the plot summary
and all that....that i'll just have to get it and see it RSN.

dan
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:17:28 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Let's try this again, shall we?
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>I'm too tired to tytpe straight.  or edit.

...or to watch your back. Yoo-hoo, Giggles! Punchline alert!

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:14:32 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Yo' mama
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> Posted on 16 Aug 1992 at 22:32:38 by Gilbert Smith
> > > <de puta madre> as in....   Ay, esta es una playa de puta madre!
>
> Probably heard it in an Almodovar movie....  his lead actors love to
> talk this way.
> --ggs

That sounds right; I see everything of his I can.

Karen
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 06:21:19 GMT
Organization: Karsten's Bit Bucket
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TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA (Tony Harminc) writes:
> Uh, not to sound *prescriptivist* or anything Natalie, but every time
> I read one of your computer postings I see "8 milligram RAM" and "200
> milligram disk".  I suggest that mg is a very rare abbreviation for
> megabyte.  Meg, MB, and M are common.  (Then there is the argument
> about whether a Meg is 1,000,000 bytes or 1,048,576 bytes.)

I made a reference to the odd mg use back in the "Into the guts of
Natalie's machine" series but I never noticed a response.

Wrt what a "Meg" is - some people even claime 1,024,000.  All
right-thinking computer types agree that 1024*1024 is correct.

--karsten

Email:  karsten@netcom.com
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:53:22 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Ken!
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              18, 92 6:42 pm

	Yer back!

Czarina
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:29:45 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Back formations
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natalie, what;'s your source for editor coming before edit?  Partridge's
"Origins" says edit is the root, from L. 'editus', pp of 'edere'.

G
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:06:59 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Good evening to you all
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(1) At 12:00 noon one ceases saying "Good morning" and begins saying "Good
    afternoon." When does one cease saying "Good afternoon" and begin saying
   "Good evening"?

(2) Do any of you ever use "Good night" as a greeting instead of a farewell?

 Doris
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: List wars
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:29:41 GMT


In a previous article, TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA (Tony Harminc) says:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:39:11 GMT Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>>
>>PS.  just broke replacement keyboard, now using borrowed keyboard ...I
>>     must learn to type softer ...have only been typing for about 45
>>     years now...and still bang the keys too hard!
>
>Don, you're not programming in Pascal by any chance are you ?

Actually, it's more likely he's trying to use Windows....  THat would cause
anyone to ### on a keyboard in frustration.  You know what they say about
the best way to accelerate Windows - escape velocity.

[don't blame me, it's not my joke]
>Tony H.
>(Who has been waiting for the setup for this joke for *years*.)
Ruth
(Who has been waiting for a chance to use this joke for *seconds*.)

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:54:00 EST
From:         Judith_Eannarino@OCCSHOST.NLM.NIH.GOV
Subject:      american football

  Sonny Jurgerson and Sam Huff doing Sunday's Redskins broadcast from
  England:

  Sam:  After they played the National Anthem, we heard a second national
  anthem.  You know, Sonny, it's amazing how "God Save the Queen" sounds a
  heckuva lot like "My Country Tis of Thee."

  Sonny, incredulous:  It's the *same song*, Sam.  They had it first -- we
  changed the words!



  (I know many of you don't listen to sports, but someone has to
  record for posterity these important moments in broadcasting history.)

  Judith E.
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:33:14 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Regional usages
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On Sun, 16 Aug 1992, Melicent Tlucek Bryarly wrote:
> We lived in south Louisiana for eight years and found many interesting
> phrases. One in particular was that a woman was "pregnant for" a child
> instead of "pregnant with" a child.
> Melicent, who still misses the good Cajun cooking

I remember hearing people in East Texas saying "they're looking for a
baby" or "she's looking for a baby in August." (Maybe they thought it
would be found in the cabbage patch, I don't know.)
ndh
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:51:47 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The newest Diffily
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>is named Kevin Bernard, and weighed in at 7 lbs. 1 oz.


Oh, nooo, she DIDN'T name him after a beagle, I hope...

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:28:23 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: On
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Nope, Shag, you always stand _in_ a queue.
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:16:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Today's Trivia
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> > Posted on 14 Aug 1992 at 19:35:42 by Graham Toal
> >         I'm so upset that I can't think straight.....
> > I thought I wa...  oh wait, we've had that joke this year already...
>
> Ummm...Wasn't that *another* list, Graham?
>
> Karen

Since I am the one who said "I can't think straight" I must confess
that:
  1) I *knew* as I wrote it that *somebody* -- and most likely
  *somebody* with the initial G would make a joke on it...
  -and-
  2) I don't understand a <lick> of what is going on because I
  didn't see the joke either.....  Soooooo, please finish this
  sentence: "I thought I wa.....    "
--ggs (no longer upset.....)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:19:23 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: EMERGENCY
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> >--Anxious Jewish Mamma
>
> Anxious Episcopalian Mama (tm) was good, but ...<whew>
>

Well, here's an anxious Baptist Mama too.  In fact, when that first note
came in I wrote to my friend 7Tushar privately, telling him that the mama
in me was worried.  Until now he has never failed to write back, and since
so many more hours have passes and we see that *no one* has heard from
him, I'm even more concerned.
Doris
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:16:38 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gender
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>      Are there languages that use natural gender?  I dunnow.  As

How about Modern English?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:28:26 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
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              14 Aug 1992 14:05:07 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:05:07 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>What makes you think we have Wednesday before Thanksgiving off??  We don't.
>Even classes on Wednesday night before Tgiving are expected to meet.

   I don't know....just that most places I've worked (5 of 7, I think)
give the wed off....and those are all US state supported universities,
which is only a small sample of the 50 states, of course....thogh all were/
are in different states...

>     sorry for letting it spill over...  just got e-mail from dean's office
>     asking me to tromp around department doing a survey of computer stuff...
>     why me????  never mind -- the dean's office *did* give me this
     ^^^^^^^^^
Because you're the only one who knows one when you see one?  Much less
what kind it is?

DOES sound like something a student could do, but.....might be better than
being on the tenure committee....and probably less contentious.

dan
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