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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: Any sites in Ethiopia?
Keywords: Ethiopia
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:17:04 GMT

In <1396@isbank.is> oskar@isbank.is (Oskar Armannsson) writes:

>I would like to know if there are any USENET sites in Ethiopia.  Especialy I
>would know if there are any sites in Addis Ababa, but hearing of other parts
>of the country would also be interesting.

>Any informations will be mostly preciated.

I don't think there are any Usenet sites in Ethiopia.  But there is a
Fidonet node in Addis Ababa that forms part of PADISNet.  It is run by
Lishan Adam, and I believe he can be reached from the Internett as:

	Lishan.Adam@f1.n751.z5.fidonet.org

This information is a bit old, but it may help.

Another possibility is to contact the Association for Progressive
Computing, who run a network of Fidonet (and other) PC's for NGO's in
the third world.  I'm not sure of their exact email address, but you
could start off with:

	postmaster@apc.org

(Hope I got that right?  Corrections and amplifications welcomed.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Re: male circumcision (was Re: Female Circumcision)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:38:15 GMT

In article <1di27cINNcs0@haven.umd.edu> spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:
>1. [...]
 
      Agreed,
    
>2. [...]

      Agreed,

>3. In the West, there most certainly is choice regarding circumcision. It  
>is considered elective surgery if performed in a hospital and is NOT done  
>as a matter of course. Observant Moslems and Jews probably have it done (  
>it is a commandment that both faiths share), but the West is primarily  
>Christian, a faith which has no such requirement. 

      Agreed and disagreed. Since I was a kid at the time, I got circumcised
without my consent. And, well, I don't know of anybody who deliberately
chose to be circumcised at a later age. So, the potential for choice is there,
but it seems that, by choice, people stay as they are. If one wasn't circumci-
sed, then one stays such. If one was circumcised then ... there's not much
you can do, but as I say, no regrets,..., unless I'm missing something!

       Cheers,
                H.
>
>
>shalom
>
>jeff
>
>"Let no one build walls to divide us
>Walls of hatred nor of stone
>Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
>We'll live together or we'll die alone"

       Pretty good sig.!
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:ZAMBIA: MALAWI EXILES HAIL CLINTON VICTORY
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:37:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.BxMHEJ.2H8
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Area: Asia, southern
Title: ZAMBIA: MALAWI EXILES HAIL CLINTON VICTORY


lusaka, nov 5 (ips) -- malawian pro-democracy advocates in
zambia thursday welcomed the victory of u.s. democratic
candidate, bill clinton, who defeated president george bush in
tuesday's presidential election.

although the republicans have done ''a great job to champion
democracy, but we are even more encouraged now'', the
representative in zambia of the alliance for decmocracy (aford)
in malawi, mike chipeta, told ips thursday.

a democrat u.s. president was likely to increase pressure on
malawi's president kamuzu banda and other ''dictators'' to bring
about political reform in their countries, added chipeta, who
is co-editor of 'the malawi democrat', a pro-democracy
newsleter published here.

''the issue of human rights was central to the carter
administration, which was democrat. we believe the clinton
administration will sustain the momentum started by the
carter administration'', said chipeta.

zambian political observers said thursday the defeat of
president bush spelt the end of the era of cold war politics.

''the leaders of the cold war period have been buried with
the bush defeat'', national coordinator of zambia's opposition
congress for national unity (cnu), patrick katyoka, said.

''the clinton victory marks the beginning of an era where
political power belongs to the youth, and young people call
the shots'', added katyoka.

while a decidedly younger team would take over power in the
united states, little was likely to change in america's
relationship with the third world, said davies mulenga, a senior
journalist with the state-owned 'times of zambia, newspaper.

''the clinton victory does not change much, for american
foreign policy has always been the same regardless of which
party was in power''. (end/ips/jm/apc/ar/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: female Circumcision
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:38:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov4.091856.5820@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
>some sense subject to an opressive tradition to change. In the US,
>Hillary Clinton got into trouble by suggesting there was something
>wrong with staying at home making cookies.

I a have zero interest in discussing the merits or demerits of Hilary Clinton's
on any issue save the one that pertains to me. The important thing is that Americans modify their culture as THEY see fit. They should not and do not entertain
foreign intrusion in their affairs. No the issue is not one of a lack of dialog
ue.
.
>If we can discuss this in terms of this broader issue that applies to
>most societies perhaps we can avoid questioning each others morality,
>etc.

As I have pointed out above, the issue is not of a lack of dialogue but rather
of who the eligible debaters are. You do not qualify to be a spectator. You hav
e a job, and thats is to immediately initiate the return of all the wealth that
your kind have expropriated from it's rightful owners....
..
> On the other hand if we insist that only groups affected by an
>issue should discuss it then surely only women should be entitled to
>discuss this issue and us males should keep out of it.
>Philip Machanick

There is a simple distinction here, we AFRICANS know and can recognise each other. There is NO WAY that they can mix you and us in one pot and then, and only this issue, come out with a homogenous mixture distinguishable by gender alone. No
sir. RThere is no reason why you should even have an opinion. 
How you think we ought to solve our problems is irrelevant since your voice is aan ineligible. And if you think that we can submit our responsibility to white
women, you are WRONG. Like you we are going to keep them out. At least 10 miles
from the nearest place where we are discussing our issues.


Why is it that you people want to integrate so much internationally and yet continue to oppress blacks in South Africa?

Makala
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi)
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS CORRECTION
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.122938.1852@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>The last letter should read:
>I find it interesting that you believe you can
>act as a spokesperson for all Africans of any country
>in Africa.  I find it more absurd that you believe you know
>(as a straight person) whether or not the gay culture exists
>in Africa.  Get a clue, gays make up 10% of the population
>EVERYWHERE!!!  There are plenty of gay bars in Kinshasa, (Zairians)
> and gays all around you if you just open your eyes, quit being 
>homophobic and educate yourself!!!

Gay bars in Kinshasa? While I won't dispute that, I think you have to be 
aware of the extent of Western influence in African cities. Homosexuality 
is a foreign idea to Africa. It has never been found in any of the indeginous
peoples. However African culture, like any other cultures really, is not 
static. Depending on the extent of interaction with cultures that practice
homosexuality you may find a few patterns here and there, but i bet you'd fall
far short of10%.

>UYT
-----
Fundisile Mbangi
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: South African Contacts at UCT
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:18:20 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

In article <9550@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>Subsequently, appreciative but more conscious faithful informed me that I might
>have erred by naming my contacts... I apprecaite this and inform them not to 
>worry. I have been guilty of reckless behaviour, but I will help the BOSS and 
>the Broederbond by informing them that they have been scouring their files in
>vain. Nay, I did not give you the real names. 
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He! He! He! That's a good one! I liked it!! :-) :-)

>If you want them you can email me...

 I will.....:-)

>makala
> 

kauta [Relieved]

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From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Foreign policy on auto-pilot
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:50:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxJ0zt.KBy
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


If it weren't for the ordinary people of the world who poked their noses
where they were told it didn't belong, the world would be a worse place.
Why?  It's because that foreign policies on auto-pilot will always favor the
powerful and the rich (and the ones with the most lobbyists).  As it is, the
world is almost that way, anyway.

Multi-national corporations, rich merchants, brigands, theives, and
oligarchs will always poke their noses where they don't belong.  It takes
ordinary people (who aren't bought) to restrain the influence of these
forces.  Otherwise, colonialism, despotism, corruption, etc. reign.

It is old hat that the US government has intervened in other countries time
and time again.  It is also old hat that among the worst eras of
intervention was in the days of dollar diplomacy of the 20's (the so-called
isolationist America), when big business had a free reign in foreign
policy.  Just imagine US foreign policy without the United Fruit Company...

I oppose this to Senator-elect Byron Dorgan (I'm not the biggest fan of him,
but North Dakota could do worse...) ranting and raving about how Mobutu Sese
Seko was looting the U.S. treasury, and how this must stop.  To hear him talk, 
you'd think that the U.S. had sold out to Mobutu!  This was interference in
African politics, but I don't care.  He made the right stand on that issue, 
I support him in interfering with the usual arrangements for Africa.

If people defy the whims of the powerful in foreign policy (say, for
Africa), that is interference.  But in the big picture, if foreign policy is
dictated by the few and for the few, the few will prosper, and the rest of
us will just have to hope for some crumbs, while Africa is looted.

Should people across the world but in their two bits, or should we all let 
major corporations, lobbyists, and despots run governmental policies out of 
the silence of the many?

--Andrew Varvel--
From: mcspikta@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: ZIMBABWE/SA TRANSPORT
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:59:01 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


  Can anyone give me any information about surface transport links between
Jo'burg and Zimbabwe? Does a passenger train service run via beitbridge or
does it still go via Botswana. Any information regarding services,frequency
etc. would be much appreciated.
  Also how are the rains doing?
   Thanks,   
       Kenny Armstrong    Dundee Tech.  Scotland
From: dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: HELP--info on CHAD's media
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:23:36 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

HELP!

I'm working on a paper about the mass media characteristics and its effects on
the people in the country of Chad.  This involves all kinds of statistics on
newspapers, radio, TV, books, news agencies, country history, media history,
media ownership, relative press freedom, press professionalism, problems with
the current situation and solutions to make it better.  All help would be
greatly appreciated.

I've already found a few things in the Europa Yearbook and the Area Handbook
for Chad.  We have a World Press Encyclopedia (by George Kurian), but it is
dated 1982 which makes it less useable.

Please mail replies to:

DOSTAL2060@iscsvax.uni.edu

Thanks in advance--

Jack Dostal
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Cholera reported in Zambia
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:10:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu



More than 2000 people have been admitted in hospitals in
Zambia and many (I don't have the numbers ) have died due
to a cholera outbreak...

The ZDF (Zambian army to be more specific) has been drafted
to bury the dead...

There does not appear to be a slow down in the numbers being
admitted at the present time...Kitwe has been closed off -
you cannot get in or out unless you get authorised to...

--
From: adriaan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Adriaan Joubert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Rugby
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:17:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Last nights game at Wembley

Northern Division vs. Springbokke
	3          -       19

It was a nice game with good runs from both sides. Although the North
won most of the line outs, the defence of the Bokke was too good in the
end. This means that the Springbokke won all three games they played
in Britain, after their one all test match draw in France. They are
definitely finding their feet in international competition now.
At the weekend is the final match against England. Should be really
exciting.

Does anybody know anything about a SA soccer team? They should be fairly
good. As most black Souh Africans play soccer and not rugby, it would also
help to explain why it was an all white team that played yesterday.
Quite apart from the fact that I would like to see SA play internationally,
that is simply good public relations. And a bit of uniting enthusiasm
certainly won't do any harm!

Adriaan
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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Separate Development
Keywords: racists culture
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:29:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <g89r4222.721461720@kudu> g89r4222@kudu.ru.ac.za (Geoff Rehmet) writes:
>If you are so concerned about South Africa, tell us what your
>contributions towards the development of the people of South Africa, or
>the rest of Africa for that matter.  What have you done in order to
>further the spread of the net to Africa?  
>Geoff.
>Rhodes Univ.  RSA

I will answer for him since I have observed his good work. It comprises fightingthe likes of you who hold the black man down. This is the biggest obstacle that
most of us face and if we did not have his courageous like fighting to break
your yoke we would be doomed to permanent servitude and making you more affluentand ourselves poorer than we already are.

makala
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Murder is OK in South Africa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 17:07:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <04 Nov 1992 20:40> snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za said to All :

 suaz>Power comes from the barrel of a gun.(No prizes for guessing 
 suaz>who said that)

Eddie Webb?



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From: qedoabff@w229zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Bosel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: male circumcision (was Re: Female Circumcision)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:43:27 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: w229zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

I live in Germany, where routine circumcision (as is the U. S.) is not done
and so I am uncircumcised.

Personally I would prefer to be circumcised because a circumcised penis is
cleaner and - to my opinion - looks better (more "streamlined"). This is why
I think about having circumcision done now, at the age of 22 (anybody having
experiences with adult circumcision?).

Of course neonatal circumcision is something very different - a baby surely
doesn't feel the same amount of pain as a boy or an adult does, and there is
a much smaller risk. So I think when parents decide not to have their boy
circumcised, they don't really let the decision to him. 

Nevertheless I think this is best, because the foreskin is something 
"natural" and has no weighty negative effects. If somebody really wants to 
be without (like me) he can, though under much greater difficulties. But
there is no (good) way back.

Peter Bosel

 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross)
Subject: Re: Female Circumcision
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 02:39:54 GMT

In article <9291@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
|> In article <1471700225@igc.apc.org> jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
|> >
|> >if it were possible for a woman to compare having sex in possession
|> >of her clitoris with having sex without it, which do you think she
|> >would choose?
|> 
|>  You don't get it do you? This subject is off limits for you, you will NEVER
|> get a response out of me.
|> 
|> 
|> Makala
|> 

Since Mr. Mweene's approval or input is hardly necessary for discussion,
I find this post particularly amusing. As a former solipsist I can also
relate somewhat. I wonder what secret discussions of a problem-solving
nature transpire among Mr. Mweene and those he accepts, and whether the
secrecy enhances the solutions.

Bill Ross
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Subject: Re: Separate Development
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:05:02 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


In 1971, the Minister of Justice of the Transkei, Mr. George Matanzima said:

"... the diabilities suffered by our people in the Republic must be suffered
in the Transkei by the white people ... We have long pleaded with the white
people that we want to be on the same level and enjoy the same privileges as
they enjoy in the Republic...they do not want to hear of it and they tell us
straightforwardly that we shall never get that...It is my wish...that, as
envisaged in our policy, when we get our independence inthe Transkei all the
hotels in the urban areas will be owned by Africans and when a white person
wants to stay at a hotel he will occupy a back room.  A tooth for a tooth."

[From South Africa's Transkei, by Roger Southall (1983)]

Does anyone see a resemblance between the commentary of that "independent"
"homeland" "leader" and some of the characters posting?

Andrew Varvel

The North Dakota Institute for the Study of Petty Name-Calling

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Any sites in Ethiopia?
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:12:42 GMT
Keywords: Ethiopia

Thus spake ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod):

> In <1396@isbank.is> oskar@isbank.is (Oskar Armannsson) writes:

> >I would like to know if there are any USENET sites in Ethiopia.  Especialy I

> Another possibility is to contact the Association for Progressive
> Computing, who run a network of Fidonet (and other) PC's for NGO's in

Their roving sales-person is Mike Jensen:

	mike_jensen@gn.apc.org
	mike_jensen@worknet.alt.za

The (dare I say it?) South African end of their African network is
Worknet, and the operator is Simone Shall:

	simone_shall@worknet.alt.za

You might also try mail to a few veteran networkers in this sort of field:

	randy@psg.com
	bob.barad@baobab.fidonet.org
 
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 "Standards are great -- everyone should have one" (Kent Landfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Is racism "for whites only"? they are after my brother
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:08:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: casper.Bx8Mtx.48L
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>Racism is a SYSTEM of predjudice upheld by military and economic power.

>It is clear why NO black man in the whole world has been able to be racist 
>since Alexander "the great" over threw the last Egyptian Pharaoh.

Oh, so no African state, not even Nigeria, have any military or economic 
power (and therefore cannot be racist)?  What an indictment of Africa and
that from an African.
-- 
Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Genital Mutilation (girls)
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:22:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <35040002@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> megana@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Megan Adams) writes:
>
>I think it is entirely appropriate for the international community to
>agitate against human rights violations in particular countries. The 
>mutilation of the genitals of girls so they can never experience sexual
>pleasure (orgasm) and suffer from problems with childbirth and intercourse
>for the rest of their lives is such a violation of human rights.
>megana.

Since you taken it upon yourself to be the unappointed representative of 
human and moral rights, answer this and don't try to ignore it?

A) since you are whimpering about child rights? What do you think of abortion?
  
B) dO CHILD  RIGNTS INCLUDE PROTECTION FROM ALL SUCH POLUTING TALK AS THAT
WHICH JUSTIFIES LESBIANISM, HOMOSEXUALITY, BESTIALITY AND s&M?

Let me know your answer before you proceed.

makala