HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Anonymous post!
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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	<1992Aug28.213600.17133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213600.17133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
>who@guess.guess.forever.etc writes:
>>Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
>>originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
>>					            A.P.
>
>Not quite anonymous. Anyway it is no big deal. Many competent 
>netters can do it with total anonymity. However, if you are not
>a superuser, beware that you activities maybe logged. Alsoo remember 
>that harassing someone is a crime.  It takes the fun out of posting
>as you could not be reached via email for further discussion 
>and  you cannot take credit for having said something profound 8).
>
>

Hey, chill out !  This guy was just joking !  

The purpose to which post forging is put seems to be highly culture-
dependent.  In soc.culture.turkish and talk.politics.soviet, it has 
been used to try to hurt people.  But I have never seen it used in 
soc.culture.china for anything but jokes.  

And laughing never killed anybody.  :-)  :-)  

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:42:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.042442.19927@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:

>is not too many Asian culture activities in Australia.  I did not see
>any social activities organised by Vietnamese, Malysian, Indonesian.
>For Chinese, most of them from HongKong, have few.  Therefore, what they

What is it that they have few? I have a tough time getting you here.

>see is not people's cultures, but their behavious.  Even I myself
>sometimes cannot agree with their behaviours, such as take advantages of
>the social they live in.

"...take advantages of the social they live in..." Is 
Singapore English?
>

>Have a nice day. 

You have a nice day too.


Me Mann


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Mainland China is #3 Economic Superpower?! :-(
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:40:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.224823.10027@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
=In article <92242.150907ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
=>  U.S.A., U.S.S.R., P.R.China, Japan, Germany, ...
=>  $5.0T    $3-4T      $2.8T    $1.7T   $1.5T          (in 1988)
=   *****
=Half of that damn thing are borrowed from foriengers in term of T-Bill
=and T-Bond.
=>
=>However, there is nothing to be proud of (actually Chinese should
=>feel ashamed), given the fact that the productivity (GNP per capita
=>by purchasing power) in Mainland China is only 1/8 of that in U.S.A.
=>(US$2,472 vs. US$20,000).  It will take 70 years for Mainland China
=It is dangerous to calculate in linear term. Drastic events, like War,
=technological break through, will reshape the trend in favor, or in 
=unfavor of China, depending how stupid or smart we are in dealing with
=internal, external politics.`
=
=


What's good of a huge country?

N..N..N.., people can proud of it?

Even without freedom?

You can at least be proud of the huge country.

Can we have enough food to eat with a huge country?

(Angry), Let me repeat it the very last time, you can 
be proud of a huge country.

Is that the only usage of a huge country?

SHUT UP, you big mouth. ;-(
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: fight over water
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:10:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Chinese farmers fight over water right

According to Today's British newpaper, farmers of Hubei and Hunan
fighted for the right of water. As a result, the Red Flag Cannal
was blown up. The stormy water destroys houses and farms.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:21:07 GMT

~In article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>
>	That strikes you as pretty strong evidence, doesn't it? Did it ever
>cross your mind that maybe, just *maybe*, the CCP put those skins there?
>
>	You remember Lei Feng, don't you?
>
>	"Lei Feng was a conscript who died at the age of twenty in a banal
>accident. Only after his death was it discovered what a humble and admirable
>pupil of Mao Zedong he had been during his short and hidden life. His ideal
>had been 'to be a small cog in the machine' working for the party and 
>Chairman Mao. The biography of Lei Feng had some strange variants before the
>definitive version was prepared by the writers of the Propaganda Department
>in 1964. 'Lei Feng Exhibitions' were organized in the large cities,
>*simultaneously* showing many 'original' copies of the hero's diary. These
>exhibitions also showed remarkable photographic documents, such as 'Lei Feng
>helping an old woman to cross the street,' 'Lei Feng secretly [sic] doing
>his comrades' washing,' 'Lei Feng giving his lunch to a comrade who forgot
>his lunch box,' and so forth. Only cynical and impious spirits will wonder
>at the providential presence of a photographer during the various incidents
>in the life of that humble, hitherto unknown soldier."
>
>--Simon Leys, "Chinese Shadows", pp.80-81.
>
>
>Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
>
>
>
>
  Yes, I do. And for a very good reason.  I have a college roommate at my
freshman year who has a relative worked with Lei Feng.  According to his
relative, Lei Feng did exist and he was a very nice and helpful guy.  I am not
denying the Chinese propaganda makes him bigger than life, but that is just
how the media work.  If you donot trust the media, then you should not trust
Dalai Lama is as good as how the western society portraits him.  Then we won't
have any arguement, wiil we?
  One thing I really donot want to buy is a criticism on a Chinese story by a
non-Chinese citing a reference from another non-Chinese.
  BTW, it looks like we are from the same school.
  
  Brian

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: To our comrades in China (Was: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese)
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:30:28 GMT

In article <9224615.5647@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

[...Stuff deleted...]
	
>
>Wrong, the ONLY reason I started the trend was because the Secretary of
					        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>CCP is reading the trend.  Otherwise, I would not have bothered, knowing
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	** A bit of uncertain is there. I mean, are you sure you're getting 
	   genuinely him? I'm ready to wager he isn't quite likely willing
	   to read our clucking stuff at all! In fact, why the hell he
	   has to bother reading on the net? I'm doubtfull!!! 
 
>that s.c.c. can only reach so many (or few) people.  Direct your suggestions
>at HIM, not me!  He has the power (sorta) to implement the above and
 ^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	** I know. But is there a way or do you think you can reach him via
	   the net? I'm doubtful again!!!

>more ideas, and transform China.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	** He might. But I'm not very affirmative really. There's nothing 
	   bad with expressing something I believe. 

So, dear comrades,
	
	Still reading our newsgroup, guys? Really hope you're! You know
things are going bloody tough here, in different directions. Some mates
have summited a few suggestions(so-called) here hoping that you guys
(well, lots of doubts!!!) are going to hear us. We're all agog to know
what your response would be!  

	As you should see, we guys are all aflame! Pray you aren't bloody
kidding us! What a sheer waste of time! Can you prove this isn't true,
please?!

---Regards,
	Bill


 
---
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Future of China (German)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:19:57 GMT
Organization: New York University

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP>, shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif
>Schumacher) writes:
>> 
>> For all out there who are interested in China I would like to start a new 
>> discussion on Chinas future. 
>> 
>> First I propose a few points of discussion:
>> 
>> 
>> THe CCP regime will not last forever. It will be followed (sooner or later) 
>> 	by some form of government which is open and democratic.
>> 	This will hapen either peacefully or through a revolution.
>> 
>> China does not have a democratic tradition.
>> 
>> 
>> The result of these points lead to the questions:
>> 
>> 	1) How could this transition happen ?
>> 	2) What type of government will follow ?
>> 	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 
>> 
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Leif Schumacher				shu.muc@sni-usa.com
>>  SNI AG - STO XS 322				
>>  Otto-Hahn-Ring 6				Tel: (0049) 89-636-43290
>>  W-8000 Muenchen 83				FAX: (0049) 89-636-42833
>>  Germany
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------

>Dear Leif:

>Let us discuss the Germany Neo-Nazi Party and their anti-foreigner policy
>first.  How long you think the Germany Government can last before the rise
>of a Neo-Hitler?

>HC




It's the same old question: netters, would you please be fair to each other?

I think the topic of Neo-Naziism is discussed in soc.culture.german. Interested
netters should post there.



Cheers,
Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:49:41 GMT

    In article <1992Aug25.170418.1869@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems22lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
    >|> In article <1992Aug22.135529.1@cua.edu> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
    >|> >
    >|> >First, the Republicans believe a small government: the government 
    >|> >should do as little as possible in domestic economy, whereas the 
   
    >In 1930s, government created million of jobs for American through spending 
    >money on building infrastructure like bridges, roads. That spending led the 
    >way out of the depression.
    
You can stimulate the economy by increasing government spending at the risk
of increasing inflation and increasing the budget deficit.  

    >|> >Democrats believe there needs more governmental regulations for 
    >|> >the economy.   But common goal: make the economy grow.
    >|> >
    
    >How about about that S&L scandels caused by Ron Reagan's deregulation on 
    >banking system? It costs $2000/person to bail out that mess. 

Before de-regulation, the S&L can only pay 5 to 5.25% on saving deposits.  It
didn't take a genuis to notice that the money market account by the banks are
paying a lot more.  So billions of dollars flowed away from S&L. So supply
of captial to S& L is negative.  At that time, the secondary mortage market 
was still at its infancy.  Most S&L are still holding the loans in their portfolio.
The capital flight was a serious problem (call dis-intermediation at the time)
that S&L industry couldn't survive without major changes.

The deregulation was intended to revitalize S&L.  Some do propser (e.g. Great
Western Savings, now Bank, is a stelling example).  However, the S&L were
allowed to branch out to unfamilar territories like commercial real estate.
Many falter badly when the market turn sour.  In addition, fraud, mismanagement,
speculation alll contribute to part of the problems.  

It could be another case of 'survival for the fittest', and the badly-managed 
ones will be washed away, and the well-managed one will prosper.  However,
we have the govt as the SLDIC (S&L deposit insurance corp). So we are left
with the bag of the failed S&L.

-cw-
_____________________________________________________________________________
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                800 El Camino Real,   Menlo Park CA 94025   Fax: 415/325-0939
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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Info. about Korean Air needed !
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:27:41 GMT
Organization: New York University

yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen) writes:


>Hello, there,
>	Can any of you who have taken Korean Air tell me its phone number? 
>Is there any travel agent which acts as the representative of Korean Air? If 
>yes, what's the phone number? Please post your responses here or e-mail to me 
>at yuechen@ucs.indiana.edu. Seems there are quite lot of people(please correct
>me if my usage of word 'people' here is wrong) interested in this topic. Any


Find yourself a Chinese newspaper "The world Daily" and all the travel agencies
listed in it do bookings for Korean Air. If u book a round trip ticket u can
confirm your return flight either in shanghai or Beijing where Korean Air has
opened offices.

Tickets from Korean Air are usu cheaper but the trips are longer cuz the planes
stop in Alaska. The air hostesses are nice though. 


Cheers,
Li, Qiang
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.154602.17299@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.143244.14110@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>>>
>>>  Top ten most fashionable words:
>>       ^^^
>>  How should one count?
>>
>>>  10.  you jerk
>>>   9.  you idiot
>>>   8.  you hypercrotic
>>>   7.  dogshit
>>>   6.  bullshit
>>>   5.  what-so-ever shit
>>>   4.  ass
>>>   3.  asshole
>>>   2.  f**k
>>>   
>>>
>>>   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
>>>  
>>>   you communist running dog!  
>>
>>   Which of these FOUR words is the NO.1 fashionable word?
>>
>>   You? Communist? Running? Dog?  :-)
>>
>>-ping
>>
>
>   Thanks for pointing my mistake out.  I did realize it right after I posted
>the list.  What happened is this *phrase* "communist running dog" was not in
>my original list of top 10 word ( it was 'ignorance' instead).  However,  after
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>it popped up again in the news group, I felt it is so amusing that I am
>obliged to include it in my list.  Apology for the misuse of *word*, and hope 
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>people in this group would understand my point.
>
>  Brian
>

  Then there should be top 11 "word"s in the list.  :-)

-ping
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:30:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Only when conflict occurs, can we be able to find out whether  
>the central government really regards Tibetans equal and treats them even  
>better as Ze Yang said. Sadly, the answer is no. The Tibetans are oppressed  
>because they are not as strong.

I don't understand why Mr. Carl says the answer is no, we have much
looser population policy on them, goverment spend a lot of money on
them.

>The reason why the central government has invested a large amount of money to  
>Tibet is probably because Tibet has its rich mineral deposit and thus a  
>potential area to explore. You would never know that Kuwait could become such  
>rich country if you only looked at its desert 70 years ago.

I havn't heard of that Tibet has rich mineral deposit, can you 
enlight me on this, government spend money on them, you just
said "probably because ....", I have to say Mr. Carl's statement
is IRRESPONSIBLE, and his view is very prejudiced.

>Yes, people are working hard to develop Qinghai and Tibet, but not only Han  
>people. Also, I don't think Hans develop the area to help the Tibetans. I guess
>they do it for themselves. Just like the early settlers in the US who grabbed  
>land from native Indians and then developed. Can you say that they did it for  
>Indians. Also, Germans and British also developed their controlled areas in  
>China to some degree in the past, do you think they did it for us Chinese? In  
>fact the living conditions in some controlled areas did improved. Were Chinese 
>people satisfied?

Mr. Carl's statement is irresponsible, he says "I guess...", how cay you
just guess an answer for such a serious topic,  don't you
know that we are spending money on them instead of taking money from
them. 

>Carl

On one hand Mr. Carl seems to be very skeptical, on the other hand
Mr. Carl uses "probably ...", "I guess..." to defend his own view, I
have to say that Mr. Carl's views are very twisted.  I also declare
here that I will not continue my debate with him.

Ze Yang
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Future of China
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:20:31 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP> shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif Schumacher) writes:

>The result of these points lead to the questions:
>
>	1) How could this transition happen ?

Most likely internal change from the CCP.  Deng Xiao Ping doesn't seem
to understand the political consequences of the economic changes in
China.  It's impossible to have the government reduce its role in the
economy, without people eventually wanting a more open society.

On the other hand, it seems that there were and probably are a lot of
people within the CCP who do understand this connection between
politics and economics.  (Zhao ZiYang and Hu YaoBang to name two
names.)

>	2) What type of government will follow ?

Probably a one-party dominant system.  (This seems to be the rule in
East Asia.)  The one party that is dominant will likely be the
successor to the CCP.  Within the dominant political party, there will
be lots of different factions based more on personal loyalities than on
ideological issues.  Political arguments will have a highly "moralistic"
flavor that is largely missing from Western politics.  The media will be
highly polarized, some papers taking a strong pro-government stand, and 
some taking a strong anti-government stand.  You'll on occasion have 
fist fights in the NPC. 

>	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 

How long?  It will likely take a few years.  In general, the changes will
be gradual, and hence you'll probably not see reports about in the evening 
news in the United States.

When?  Within 20 years or so.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: What Lu Xun did say
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:29:55 GMT


     "There are three dangers, however that might destroy this movement [to
build up China's strength]. The first is the fact that we pay too much
attention to superficial propaganda and despise other tasks. The second
is our impatience with our fellow-men, which makes us call them traitors
or slaves of foreign masters whenever we have the least difference of
opinion. The third is that there are many clever people who seize every
opportunity to snatch any immediate advantage for themselves."

Lu Xun--"Sudden Notions (10)" (Sorry for not having the title in Chinese.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What about the Aggression from Japan? (Re: What About Tibet? ...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:14:57 GMT

In article <65500047@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >I feel it not so easy to believe that the PLA forced to monks and nuns to  
have  
> >sex. We can not just simply believe stories from one side. But we also  
should  
> >not blindly reject them. At least I know a true story that happened during  
the  
> >Culture Revolution. A group of Red Guards went to a temple in Jiangxi  
Province  
> >and re-educate the monks and nuns. They DID force them to abandon their  
> >religion and live "normal men and women's lives". They DID force some of  
them  
> >to marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff  
and  
> >died.
> 
> >The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point  
here  
> >is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
> >that we might also be brainwashed.
> 
> >Carl
> 
> Mr. Carl finally "lost his temper", said something very 
> different from "what a personality ?", but excuse me sir,
> I am afraid that I have to say Mr. Carl's view 
> is very biased. 
> By the way, when is your last time see your 
> Beijing Normal School's D-fight friend, Wuer-kaixi?
> Also, would you please leave more space at the end of each line 
> so that I can cite your post easily?
> 
> Ze Yang


First, I have to admit that I over-estimated you in the past. If you sent this  
kind of post before, I wouldn't even spend time to debate with you. You really  
belong to your chemistry professor and I think you will learn more if you spend  
more time with him instead of in the net.

Second, you are curiously asking policeman-like questions again. Oh, I forgot,  
you even put my name in somebodyelse's post once. I guess you did it  
mistakenly. Never mind. If you really want to debate, first regard youself as  
an educated human being. I hope you will not degrade yourself too much so we  
will still have a chance to debate. Hopefully this is not the last time.

Finally, please be specific about my "biased" opinion.

Keep fit.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china