From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:54:53 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <C0nMw8.326@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>As an owner of an A4000 who uses very nice SVGA systems at work, I can say
>>that AGA certainly does cut it.  Commodore wanted to upgrade the custom
>>chips to SVGA levels, and they have done so with AGA.  
>
>What do you define as "SVGA."  Trident SVGA is about equivalent to AGA.
>It's also about $50.00.

	So, the Trident card can put 262,144 colors onscreen at once? In the
same resolutions as the Amiga can, such as in 1280x512? It supports PAL and
NTSC? Does it record to videotape? Does it support multiple screens like the
Amiga does? Sprites? Plus all the playfield options and animation capabilities?

	SVGA and AGA are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

>>Good.  I hate being forced to buy a monitor with a system.  If the A4000
>>had come with an A1960, I'd have sold the beast before unpacking it.
>
>With a PC you aren't forced to buy *ANYTHING*.  If you don't need
>sound, you don't pay for it.  If you don't need NTSC (few do) you don't
>pay for it.

	If you do want it, you DO pay for it, and I mean PAY.

>>>the Gateway.  As we all know, the Gateway is a 486DX2 processor running
>>>at 66MHz and the A4000 is run off an 040 operating at 25MHz.  They're both
>>>incredibly fast machines and while the 4000 could be faster, it'll have to
>>>do.  The A4000 comes with 6 megs of RAM and the Gateway comes with 8.
>>
>>So, the Gateway's CPU should come close to the speed of the 33MHz 040, 
>>unless you need to do a lot of floating point.
>
>Give me a BREAK.  What total CRAP.  A 66MHZ 486DX is "close" to the
>speed of a 33MHZ 040, unless you have to do floating poing.   Come
>on...what colour is the sky in your world?

	How many MIPS is the 66 mHz 486DX and the 33 mHz 486DX? I would
expect a true externally clocked 66 mHz 486DX to run at about 55 MIPS.
I am willing to bet it runs more like 28 MIPS. Find out. If anyone knows
please post.

	What are the differences between the 66 and 33 mHz 486 chips?
Other than the fact that one is double clocked?

>If you want to talk about overall system performance, do so, but if
>you are talking about CPU speed, then this comparison is a bad joke.

	Either a bad joke or a successful scam.

>>  The A4000 could have been
>>faster with a better memory system, but 33MHz would also be nice.  As for
>>memory, you'll certainly need at least 8M for the Gateway, while 6M is
>>plenty for most apps on the Amiga.
>
>That's assuming of course you can FIND applications that do what you
>want for the the Amiga.

	Amax II+, Emplant, 486 Vortex board, 386 CBM board.

>>Do Gateway engineers post on the Internet?  The free advice and info from
>>the C= engineers on the c.s.amiga.* groups is invaluable, IMHO.
>
>When you have an "industry standard" computer, advice is plentiful and
>free.  And when your vendor has 24 hour support (many do) you don't
>even have to wait for a reply to your message!

	
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