From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:24:42 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.014625.17822@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.205819.21328@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu
>(Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>> Godamn logic! 
>>
>> >Pardon me for being sarcastic and cynical, but I guess I missed the
>> >occasion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>> >attempts.
>>
>> Do the Koreans and Chinese ask for appologies for the Japanese
>> harrasments of hundreds of years, which happened in the far past ?
>
>Well, then wait a couple hundred more years and you wont need an
>apology anymore! (By your logic.) And I think that's about how long
>you're going to have to wait too, because I don't see one coming.
>Somehow you and your friends think calling Japanese "japs" will lead
>to an apology. Do either Japanese or Chinese treat the other as
>equals?  No. You whine about apologies, throw insults at each other
>and rationalize your way out of your responsibilities.

Personally, you owe me an apology, though I don't care if you are not 
willing to make it, for your saying that I ever used or implied the term.
Throw insults at whom? I was not attacking any person, except expressing
my point of view about the SICK OPINIONS.

>I'm inclined to think China would have done the same to Japan if
>they'd had half the chance. I don't see any reason to believe that
>Chinese value Japanese lives any more than Japanese value Chinese
>lives. We know your gov't doesn't value its own citizens lives so why
>should we expect otherwise? Lucky for Japan they were on the offensive
>instead of the defensive, and that China was still too backward to be
>a threat.

Your imagination is pretty good, huh?

>> The hurts from the war are still in many people's mind. If you want 
>> the chinese people to tolerate the facts that the crimes are still 
>> coverred in Japan, if you view it natural for the victims to hold 
>> the agony in our hearts, what can you expect?
>
>So Tianmen Square is in the Chinese junior high school books now is
>it? The parents who paid for the bullets to execute their sons and
>daughters have been compensated? The agony in their hearts made
>better?  Oh, please. Spare me. You can't even apologize among
>yourselves and you expect an apology from a foreign country. You can't
>even uncover your own coverups and you seek to expose another's.
>That's the point being made.

Your this point is not any constuctive in discussing this line. Still
one wrong doing can't be used in lessening the other one. If you want
to divert the topic, you could have opened another line.

>> >I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>> >rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>> >me for these lapses.
>>
>>This sorta reasoning that one wrong doing justifies another one 
>>is really childish.
>
>No. One wrong is not being used to justify another. A hypocrite is
>being called a hypocrite. See the difference?
>And you know what? I even believe Japan owes China an apology, I just
>don't think the reasoning being presented here makes any sense!
>
>  "We're an authoritarian, police state capable of slaughtering our
>   own citizens. Our text-books are slanted, and we love to hide the
>   truth as well as the next guy. We demand that you japs apologize for
>   slaughtering our people, as that is a sovereign, exclusive right of
>   our own government.  And don't forget to re-write your text books
>   while you're at it!"
>
>Japan has it's faults but has essentially denounced militarism. It
>sounds like they've learned *something*. Where are China's nuclear
>weapons pointed? Have *you* learned anything? The average Japanese
>expresses true regret for what happened and your ranks insult them
>with racial slurs. Good luck trying to get that apology.

Too many lies are still in many Japanese books about the war. 
Where were my racial slurs? You do need to applogize to me, since I
didn't, at any point, insult the Japanese people.