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From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Subject: Farang?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:25:57 CDT

I think now we are going too far. There is no point to say that 
somebdy are worse than what we are and do nothing to improve.
Even if we do improve, to blame the other with an intention of
making fool and ashame out of them do not help resolve the problems.
I agree that Farang (and many other foreigner) are not qualified
for their earning, but again I know many Thai that are also
unqualified for their high salary. Unfortunately that most of
the time we are the observers who always think we know better
than the player and think that we can do better. Once we are
the player, we inturn think we have done the best and no one
should blame you. It's true that to be an observer can let you
see everything clearer, but at the same time it make you
misunderstand the situation, especially when you have some good
or bad impression in background. I think, in Thai, we said "
Doo Nang+ Doo LaKorn Laew Yorn Doo Taue". This is still true for
us. Again I think in Christianism, we said "If you have no sin,
you are qualified to blame the other." This does not mean that
we cannot tell anyone that he/she is doing something wrong, but
it means that before you make an accusation, think first.

At this point, I would like to say something personal. Look at what
you see in the USA. One thing that will not help improve American
recession is the racism. American used to be the place of the
opportunity and everyone did the best of them to get to their own
success. This, more or less, made America go forward. Now,
when someone begin to accuse the other simply just because they
are different, they are losing their own potential to retain
their superiority (at this point someone may not like this word,
but I cannot think of the other that give me the closer meaning.)
What we need is not that someone is better than someone.
What we need is that someone, sometime, can be better than
the other. We may not know who and when (what and where) and
that is why we have to prepare and listen to the other.
From: kamol@munnari.oz.AU (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Sept 28: Students urge govt to rejectmnesty bill
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:03:57 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway


Students urge govt MPs to honour poll promises
 
THE Students' Federation of Thailand yesterday urged MPs of the five-party 
coalition government to reject the executive decree pardoning all those 
involved in the May crackdown, restructure the Armed Forces and to have 
senators elected by the public.
 
During a press conference held at Thammasat University yesterday, SFT 
secretary-general Supatr Hasuwannakij urged members of the five coalition 
parties comprising the Democrat, New Aspiration, Palang Dharma, Solidarity, 
and Social Action parties to honour the promises they made to the public 
prior to the general election.
 
They promised that if elected they would reject the Amnesty Decree in 
Parliament so that those responsible could be prosecuted and a true account 
of the May tragedy publicised through the courts, Mr Supatr said.
 
The recent military reshuffle had not yet proved to be sufficient 
punishment, he said.
 
The Anand II administration through the team investigating the May events 
had clearly described the suppression of the demonstrators as an 
"overreaction" supervised by Gen Suchinda Kraprayoon, Gen Issarapong 
Noonpakdee, and ACM Kaset Rojananil, Mr Supatr said.
 
If the executive decree is passed X.$,)j1%Q]%11	%9QIAIQQ!Q)the five-party coalition had betrayed the public, he said. Government 
stability will then be at risk, he said.
 
The SFT also called on the Chuan Government to amend the Constitution to 
eliminate political interference of the military through the appointed 
Senate by having Senators elected directly by the people.
 
Capable persons could be elected as senators if proper qualifications are 
required for the Senate candidacy registration, he said.
 
As the Senate should play a role only in scrutinising bills and overseeing 
the performance of MPs, it was not necessary for Parliament to have as many 
as 270 senators with the military holding a majority, Mr Supatr said.
 
The SFT also called on the next defence minister to restructure the armed 
forces to see the real value of military professionalism engraved not only 
in individuals but also in the whole armed forces, he said.
 
The SFT would like to see a minimum military secret budget, the Supreme 
Command entitled only to coordinate work between the three armed forces, 
the end of the Internal Security Operations Command and the Communism Act.
 
The Government's failure to meet the requests would make the sacrifice 
endured by the people during the May massacre meaningless, Mr Supatr said.
 
The students and the public are ready to support any Government move to 
eradicate the roots of dictatorship from Thai democracy, he said.
 
The Chuan Government should also pay attention to the issue of the judicial 
commission because the Anand Government had made a big mistake by defeating 
one side and leaving victory for the other, said Mr Supatr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Again Farangs - Thai, no problem
Date: 2 OCT 92 14:59:31 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        No problem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Hiring Farang in Thailand.
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:58:38 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>In article <Bv434D.Muu@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen dur writes...

>Take the universities - a farang foreign expert earns about twice as much as
>a Thai Assoc Professor, but the Thai gets free housing, a permanent job rather
>than a short-term contract, earns extra from corruption, bribes etc.  There
>is no doubt that the average Thai professopr has a far higher standard of
>living than his farang equivalent in Thailand, despite being paid half
>as much.  In addition, the family of the farang are not entitled to work
>while in Thailand.

I work in a university as well. But, no accomadation is provided for me.
No extra money from corruption, bribes etc.  The life is a liitle bit
tough, most of my salary goes to the rental. There are some farangs working
in the same university who have the same qualification  (and nearly the same 
age) as me. They get more pay. I don't mind, but please understand that 
I don't have a higher standard of living than them.

The same thing happens to my father and my Mom. Both work in the universities.
They never corruptted, and get NO EXTRA income. My family still poor compare to
farangs who have the same qualification. 
My MOM finished her PhD nearly 30 years, and nearly retires. But, my parent
still haven't own a house. 

Since I grow up, I live in the university environment; Chulalongkorn, 
Cheing Mai, Silapakorn and Khon Kaen. I know that there are some inresponsible
lectures in the universities. But most are good, and the corruption
is very rare.

>Now I love Thailand and I am very fond of the Thai people.

However, I think you don't understand the Thai people well enough.
I have read most of your articles posted to s.c.t. Some are very good,
but sometimes I found that you misundertand the Thai people.

Thanachart Numnonda
U. of Auckland
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: low class
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.1OCT199216562454
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
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In article <BvG9t1.2s8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen dur writes...
>"low class" is classified by the way people behave.  It has nothing to do
>with money.  If a person is rich, has very high educational background, came
>from a big name family, live in a so called high-tech society, but still behave
>physically, mentally and morally bad, he/she is still classified as low class.  
>Money is not a mean for judging everything.

In England too, low class has nothing to do with money, and has to do with
what the English like to call "breeding".  It is only in the US that class
and money are interchangeable words.

Laurence
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From: Shadow@expect.hid.edu (LetsSee IfItWorks)
Subject: Test Anonymous
Originator: arunsaku@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
Organization: The Infamous Industry 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:00:49 GMT

Let's
See
If
It
Works
This Time.
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From: levis@iesd.auc.dk (Tommy Larsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: low class
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:55:05 GMT
	<1OCT199216562454@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

In article <1OCT199216562454@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>>    Money is not a mean for judging everything.

>   In England too, low class has nothing to do with money, and has to do with
>   what the English like to call "breeding".  It is only in the US that class
>   and money are interchangeable words.

>   Laurence

From how I understand the word breeding, Prince Charles' Diana isn't
upper class, but still she is royal.  Can this be so, or did I
misunderstand you.  If I didn't, then I'd say that in England too,
money is a measure of class.

- Tommy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 14:29:37 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [Repost]Part(3):Major Problems and Limitations in S&TD in Thailand

=============================================================================


                    Part(3) Inadequate Technical Services


    As most producing firms in Thailand are of small to medium scale, it
is difficult for them to acquire and maintain testing and analytical
facilities and qualified personel.  It is important therefore to provide
central facilities, public and/or private, for testing and analytical
services as well as other kinds of technical services.  Central services
would also result in the optimum utilization of expensive equipment and
qualified personel which are in short supply.  The services could then
also be kept to high standards.


    The first problem is the inadequacy of the services available.  This
leads to delays and certain types of services cannot be provided at all.
 Time is of the essence in business and any delays can be very costly. 
A larger number and variety of technical services are badly needed.


    the second problem is the quality of the services which is not high.
 The results from one laboratory are often quite different to those from
others,causing confusion among the users.  Poor quality service may
arise from inadequate facilities and/or the lack of suitbly qualified
personel.  The government should look into this matter very urgently. 
The need for calibration facilities, standardizing testing procedures as
well as training of testing personel is evident and is particularly
urgent for the purpose of product certification.


    Apart from actual testing and analysis, many producing firms also
need advice and/or recommendations for product and/or process
improvements.  This is particulary so when their products fail to meet
certain requirements.. Such consultancy services are rare and much
needed at present.


=============================================================================

To be continued....Part(4) on Raw Material Supplies and Supportive
Industries .....in this net.  Hang on tight!

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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Khunying Supatra on Internet
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:51:00 GMT

In article <Bv6Kow.3us@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumno writes...
>ang@theory.lcs.mit.edu (William S. Ang) forwards Khun Anuchit's reply:
> 
> 
>>---------------------------cut here-------------------------------
>>From: Anuchit Anuchitanukul <anuchit@CS.Stanford.EDU>
>>To: ang@theory.lcs.mit.edu
>>Subject: Re: Khunying Supatra on Internet
> 
>Let me add some information to that provided by Khun Anuchit. Khunying 
>Supatra is the daughter of the late Surin Masdis, an incorruptible MP from
>Nakorn Sri Thammarat, a southern province of Thailand. Besides being an
>articulate MP, Supatra has engaged in a movement to upgrade Thai women. 
>Though her honorific is "Khunying" (which is roughly equal to "Lady"), 
>Supatra has not joined the elegant circle of most typical "Khunying"
>who have superficial view about things. 
> 
I forgot to mention that Thatcher too is now a Khunying, and we are
supposed to call her Lady Thatcher over here.  Actually I know quite
a number of people who would prefer to prefix her name with a similar
sounding word to Khunying

Laurence
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Fwd:Kathina(3)
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:49:25 GMT
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Subject: KHUN Laurence GODfrey
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:37:35 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Khun LAURENCE

I read most of your postings in the past 2-3 weeks.
In fact, Many articles give me bad impression on your attitude.
I would like to get into the discussion for many times.
But, I realize that my english is not that good, and some of your 
criticisms scare me of doing that.

I'm quite appreciated that you make lot of activities in this group.
However, you shouldn't underestimate other people. 
Yesterday, I was very upset when I read your article which accuse 
Thai universities' staff as corruption. Today, I read other postings which
criticise Khun S and Khun Sripen. 

I don't want you to stop posting to s.c.t. It is good to know how
other people thinking, as long as it doesn't go to far.
Meanwhile, you should respect other people idea as well. 


Regards

Thanachart Numnonda
U. of Auckland
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From: anuchit@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Decentralization = promoting local mafia
Originator: anuchit@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:51:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.155921.2392@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>I agree that decentralization may offer more benefits than harm.  However,
>we should keep most of the basic social services at the national level,
>such as, health care, equal rights to basic education and employment,

Decentralization means transfer of control to local governments.  
A provincial governor should have the responsibility to do many things 
(including health care, education, etc.) rather than simply collecting 
garbage.
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.AU (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Armed Forces to be slashed by 25 per cent
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:02:15 GMT
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ARMED FORCES TO BE SLASHED BY 25 PER CENT
 
The Nation Sunday Sept 27
 
Thailand's military forces, particularly the army are to be cut by 15 per cent
in the next five years and by 25 per cent over the next decade under reformed
approved by the Defence Council to conform with the changed international
atmosphere, a senior army official has revealed.
 
  The army comprise about 170,000 soldiers, about a half of the total Armed
  Forces strengths.
 
  Special Warfare Commander Lt Gen Surayudh Chulanonda told The Nation last
  week the military had re-assessed external threats to Thailand and
  tentatively concluded that it was unlikely the contry would face a
  large-scale or a prolonged war in the next 10 years.
 
 However there was still the possibility for outbreaks of armed skirmishes,
 such as border fighting, siad Surayudh, who is recognized as a progressnve
 soldier among the up and coming generatin of military leader.
 
  Apart from reducing the size of the defence forces, Surayudh said that the
  Armed Forces;s technology and defence know-how also needed to be enhanced to
  keep abreast of developments.
 
  Te restructuring of the Armed Forced would be guided by the assessment on
  external threat over the next 10 years. From the stategic point of view,
  Surayudh, who stressed that he was venturing a comment as an officer and not
  as a soldier, said the Navy and the Air Force would have greater roles to
  play in defending the country in the future.
 
 "We still don't have a naval force [capable of] protecting our economic
 interests in the Andaman Sea and this is important given the project to
 develop the southern seaboard area.
 
" And as many military strategist knows, the Air Force would be at the
forefront in deterring any possible agression. Its needs sufficient forces to
provide air cover not only over the land but also the seas within our
boundary," he said.
 
  An informed source, asking not to be identified said that top security
  officials had agreed that the Navy should from now on become the lead player
  among the three arm of the military.
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: learning from the West
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:54:58 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I too agre that Thailand should learn things from other countries,
and that it should do so selectively. It is sad that over the last
30-40 years or so Thailand has been imitating just the wrong things
in Western culture and politics, and left out the good things. Also,
everything was learnt with a delay of about 20 years. So, instead of 
learning from mistakes made by other countries, Thailand repeated them.
As an example, take the environmental issue: In the USA peaople are curently
crazy about recycling (though you can certainly doubt the efficiency of 
all those recycling programs, that are very partial) and are beginning
to say that we should lower our "sacred" standard of living for the 
benefit of the environment and our future, while Thailand's 
middle class is only now imitating the worry-free way of life that was
preached in the US in the seventies; the way of life of
using-and-disposing, of driving gasoline-hungry cars, etc.
This trend is pushing out the old banana leaves out of their benefitial and
bio-degradable role as rappings, and puts plastics in their place.

Another example:
While in the US you see more and more "farmers' markets", rich in 
culture and flavor and organic vegetables, the markets and the MAE-KHA
carrying their goods on a bamboo stick are peing pushed out of Bangkok
streets, harrased by police, to be replaced by shiny and "classy" department
stores. Apart from being a traditional scene in Bangkok, these markets 
supply hundreds of thousands with a job,. A 40-year old MAE-KHA does not
compete well against a young girl when it comes to getting a job in a 
department store.

Another one?
Thailand seems to like the notorious health care system of the US, instead
of that of some other nations: the system of rich-healthy-poor-sick.
That's a bad example to take.

Abi   
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From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan)
Subject: Re: Khunyings and M.Rs
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:04:33 GMT


I think we may have lost some of our human power to other countries
in the west.  However there are so many Thai people who are really
committed to their homeland.
A good example is Acharn Preedee.  He was one of a few
ordinary Thai people who got a chance to have good education abroad.{He
went back to serve his country.  Unfortunately, he was 
unable to even die on his native soil.

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