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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Question to all
Date: 20 Jul 92 09:41:33 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <83820@netnews.upenn.edu>, stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein)
writes:
>Ahh.  The ERECTION QUESTION rears it's ugly head again.  Or is that a bad
>pun?
>
>Krikket,
>       Please refer to the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) for some
>discussion on this problem.  You'll probably read things like "not
>very likely", "No big deal", and "Bring Ice cubes just in case".

I got a hell of a lot of responces via Email...  Thanks to everyone for taking the time and effort to answer me!

I figured there was most likely a FAQ list posted occasionally, and there might be sitting one somewhere waiting to be FTPed to...

Unfortunately, I don't have FTP capabilities from my system, (Strictly UseNet with InterNet mail...) and since I was planning on going to one fairly soon, I didn't know if the FAQ would be posted in time.  Hence the question.

Once again, thanks to everyone who took the time to answer the questions!

Also, as a sidenote, I promised a couple of people via Email to pass on the location of the beach I am heading to (and lost their addresses.)  I have since been asked NOT to do so until I've been there a few times and can also use basic judgement on the people who want to head to the beach...  Apparently the legal situation is EXTREMELY TOUCHY, so I shall honor the request made, and not pass on the information as promised.  Apologies to those two Netters who's Email addresses I lost...

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a.k.a Doug Krick      ! Team Star Charter Member   !        Suite 246
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 'If you are what you eat, then I'm Dead Meat'  -- Timbuk 3 "Grand 'ol Party"
From: tilton@gladwrap.UUCP (Charlie Char Tilton)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:46:02 GMT

>Tom, ask yourself this, Would YOU go nude with seven naked FEMALE strangers?
>If your answer is yes (and mine sure as hell would be) then you should back
>off and not be so quick to judge your ex.

I get the feeling that we haven't heard the whole story here.  I'll be willing
to wager that somebody either got dumped when they whined/got jealous/ etc
or somebody is not telling the truth about this woman being their "ex".  It's
quite possible that somebody WANTED this woman to be their girlfriend and
got blown off when they couldn't keep the sex/nudity separate.

This seems more like a posting for soc.singles to me.

Char
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens)
Subject: EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:16:03 GMT

Got a problem that I would like your opinions on....when does naturiism
become exhibitionism
here are the specifics......a girlfriend (now ex-) ran a clothing optional
pool party in the YMCA this past week-end with a turn out of 7 men and 1
other female (who remained fully dressed and did not go into the pool)
She leaves me who was stuck upstairs taking tickets and goes downstairs
to make sure the people in the pool are all right.......After about 40
minutes when she doesn't come back up I went down and found her nude
in the pool with all of the guys standing around her talking.....
My question is do you naturists consider one naked female with 7 nude  
men an exhibitionist?????  Please if there are any females out there also
give me your impression if you would go nude with seven naked male strangers
or do you consider this a exhibitionist also.   Thanks in advance for your
opinions!!!!!!            tom

--  
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 Tom Martens - Internet: Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org
From: jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Photo Labs
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:31:34 GMT
Organization: IMHO

>In article <1992Jul17.093619.17627@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>>
>>There are stories of photo lab employees making dups of revealling photos,
>>but that could be just another urban legend. Some people recommend small
>>labs.  Others recommend large one-hour labs. (If they have your film
>>printed in an hour, they don't have time to do reprints.)
>>

Well, I sure did when I worked for a lab in Seattle in 73. It was a large
mail-order lab which no longer exists. In your junky 1 hour labs, I suspect
that it's too much trouble to make dupes unless a person was very motivated
and not very supervised. We had a custom lab with unusual production 
techniques, and I copied thousands of photos in a few months.

I didn't distribute or sell or use the pictures in any way other than to 
build a collection of beautiful nature shots. Our lab had a policy of not
questioning or censoring photos as to their content, and we reserved
the right to copy photos for internal use only i.e. quality control.
But I confess that I copied many pictures for myself.

BTW, only about 1% of the photos that came thru the lab were 'nudies',
and whenever any came across a quality control station, someone would
shout "nudies!!" and the whole plant would come to look.

By far the largest category of photo was weddings. We processed 
an esoteric film (Eastman 5254) and advertized in photo magazines. It
was an inexpensive high quality film and process that we offered, and
I never got over how many professional photographers would trust a 
mail order company with their work just to save a buck! 

If I have important pictures to develop, I take them to a professional
photography studio. You may pay a few dollars more, but then you can
get a much higher quality job done by an *artist* who takes pride in
his/her work. I usually ask for a contact sheet (an 8x10 print of the
negs) and then select only the very best to be enlarged. The 1 hr
places don't give a rat's ass about your negatives, and you are guaranteed
of getting work inferior to what a professional will give you. At one
time all film was developed by pros in local studios, but film processing
is just one more industry gone the way of the don't-give-a-shit-make-
them-all-the-same-mediocre-plain-vanilla-nobody-cares-about-you-franchise
outfits which are turning the world into a big default void. 

jl
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie)
Subject: Re: Information on indecent exposure arrest
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:50:16 GMT

mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>From article <BZ04V4K@netmbx.netmbx.de>, by jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie):
>[ examples involving smoking, etc. ]
>> .....
>> Here in Berlin I am bothered by the fact that many nudists don't want to
>> stay in the nude areas of the beaches, which means that there is no place
>> for people to swim if they do not want to be around nude people.  I think
>> those people have that right.  If you refuse them that right then you are
>> being intolerant of their chosen lifestyle.


>So my question is: why do you not want to be around nude people?  Is
>your reason sufficient to justify abridging the liberty of people who
>don't perceive a need to wear clothes?


There should be nude beaches for those who want them.  In Berlin there
are lots of nude beaches, which is not so in the States.  In fact, I
sometimes go to the nude beaches.

Some people strongly dislike being around nude people.  It affects the
atmosphere for them.  It is rather like loud music--peope who want it really
like it, people who don't are sometimes very disturbed by it.  Their
reasons are diverse, but their feelings are strong, and they have a right
to them.  If you try to force your nudity on them then they will oppose
you strongly, because they perceive their beaches as their turf.

Zoning is probably an appropriate model here.  There should be a place
for every "legitimate use."

-- 
Jonathan

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: sun burning
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.824.6058@dosgate> "earl pottinger" <earl.pottinger@canrem.com> writes:
>this question.  As Black Male who like to walk around topless come the
>summer months I HAVE NEVER HAD SERIOUS SUN BURN.  Usually, by the end of
>summer if I stayed out too long my skin would start to peel, usually
>late August.  However, this year I started to peel on the forehead in
>mid-June, and my White co-workers said that they were getting serious
>burns in times that would not bother them before.

I was suprised when I found out that even with 'black' skin
you can still get a sun burn. Lesson: USE SUNSCREEN, SPF 15
is good for most purposes. 
>
>      Do you notice it to be easyer to get burned this year??

Not especially.

The jury is still out on the ozone depletion rate and cause,
as evidenced by the vicious debate some months ago
right here on this channel. Since Naturism has a lot
more to say than just 'get naked' I don't see a big
problem. Don't worry, be happy, wear sunscreen, that kind of thing. 

You get the drift.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: naturist@igc.org (Pat O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Naturiststuff
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:11:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1457200020:000:2094
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Jul 29 18:11:00 1992


     In response to the numerous e-mail questions, I am re-posting
this message regarding The Naturist Society's products and services
as well as The Naturist Action Committee's activities.
     The Naturist Society is an advocacy business that promotes the
Naturist, clothing-optional lifestyle while providing information
on access to public places where nudity is accepted.
     Lee Baxandall's World Guide to Nude Beaches & Recreation is a
colorful 250-page book that lists thousands of such places the
world over. We also carry a companion video to the World Guide. The
book is $21.95, plus $3 s&h from TNS, P.O. Box 132, Oshkosh, WI
54902. The video is $29.95, plus $3 s&h.
     Memberships in TNS are $30 a year. You get a subscription to
N magazine, the most comprehensive and lavishly illustrated journal
anywhere that chronicles the Naturist lifestyle. In addition, you
receive a membership card that helps get you entry into selected
nudist parks at a discount. Members also get discounts on the
numerous products, videos and books we sell.
     The Naturist Action Committee is a panel of nine individuals
elected from the ranks of the 18,000-member Naturist Society. NAC
is leading a national effort to preserve clothing-optional
recreation sites and establishing new ones.
     The non-profit Committee is solely dependent on the generosity
of individuals who want to help carry the fight for our rights to
the doorsteps of those who would stop us from practicing our
lifestyle. Donations are accepted in any amount.
     A $12 donation will get you a subscription to the monthly NAC
newsletter and a $100 donation will get you a subscription and a
unique recognition T-shirt.
     Purchases from TNS and donations to NAC can be made by credit
card by calling 414-426-5009 or by leaving a message and Visa/MC
number and expiration date in e-mail to us. Deliveries take two to
three weeks, unless special arrangements are made. International
purchases will incur more expensive shipping and handling charges.
     We look forward to serving the growing Naturist community.
Thanks.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nude Beaches for those that want them
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:20:30 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie) writes:
>There should be nude beaches for those who want them.

There should be textile beaches for those who want them.

>Some people strongly dislike being around nude people.  It affects the
>atmosphere for them.  It is rather like loud music--peope who want it really
>like it, people who don't are sometimes very disturbed by it.  Their
>reasons are diverse, but their feelings are strong, and they have a right
>to them.  If you try to force your nudity on them then they will oppose
>you strongly, because they perceive their beaches as their turf.

Some people strongly dislike being around clothed people.  It affects the
atmosphere for them.  It is rather like loud music--people who want it really
like it, people who don't are sometimes very disturbed by it.  [Clothing is
very analogous to loud music because it is designed to draw your attention.
We have all seen people in bright colors that we thought were 'loud'.]  Their
reasons are diverse, but their feelings are strong, and they have a right
to them.  If you try to force clothes on them then they will oppose
you strongly, because they perceive their beaches as their turf.
 
>Zoning is probably an appropriate model here.  There should be a place
>for every "legitimate use."

Right, and the default should be clothing optional except where posted
otherwise.  Let the textile compulsives be the ones to have to fight for
a section of beach.

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: 'Selling' nudism
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:01:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:

>Last night or the night before, I heard a report on CNN about a club in 
>CA doing a similar clothing drive.  From what I heard, it was a clothing
>drive for people who lost possesions due to the CA forest fires.

Wrong fires.  Actually, it was for riot relief.  The club was Elysium.

     Richard M. Mathews			D efend
					 E stonian-Latvian-Lithuanian
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  I ndependence
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Any good regional indexes??
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:18:29 GMT

In article <Jul15.587@unh.edu> E_STEINER@UNH.EDU writes:
>Are there any good indexes of contacts on the east coast??
>Anything that covers the mid-atlantic seaboard??
>(Particular interest in MD/DC area)
>Addresses of newsletters, phone #s of contacts??

There is 
National Capital Naturists, 
PO Box 3122
Fairfax VA 22038.

There isn't a hell of a lot in the mid-Atlantic area
to start with, at least nothing with a great crowd/following.

After all, we've got these goof-balls on Capital Hill
around here to contend with.

p.s. Please send us new goof-balls for Capitol Hill. Maybe
they can pass a Constitutional amendment securing a
nude beach for every citizen.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New York, Nudity, and Women
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:19:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:
>At any rate, to address the issue of making topless zones on beaches.  
>I do not see how legislation of this sort would be any more constitutional
>then the state law struck down by the NY Court of Appeals, unless it
>applied equally to both men and women.

The key is that the court did not find the existing law to be
unconstitutional.  It found it to be inapplicable except when the
exposure was lewd or for commercial purposes.  The constitutional
issue was deferred because this was not an applicable test case.

    Richard M. Mathews			 Freedom for Lithuania
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		        Laisve!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: A survey
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:55:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul24.142014.3077@desire.wright.edu>, mborgerding@desire.wright.edu writes:

> The only reason I posted this here in the first place was
> because I thought that rec.nude might not get offended by a few questions. 
> I have known several nudists and have even been to a clothing optional beach
> once (believe it or not).  In short, I'm writing this to let you know that I
> know that nudists are not all sex maniacs.  Some are even celibate.

> 					Humblest apologies,
> 					Mark Borgerding

Hey, sure no problem!  We quite understand why you might post your article
here.  It's a common mistake.  All is forgiven.


> PS. Can you stop flaming me now, please?

Well, just answer one question first:  WERE YOU NUDE WHILE YOU POSTED THIS?

No reason for asking.  Really. :-)

Terry
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Rob Silvers)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.125603.8240@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>>
>>	How would you know how men think?  I sure have never figured out how
>>woman think.  Of course "not being able to control yourself" is no excuse for

>Great flame except he does know how men think since he is one.

	I apologize for my ignorance.  I looked quickly and thought Stephane
was a womans name.

--Rob.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: nude swimming question
Keywords: penis, catfish, Mt. Roraima
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:01:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185328.26298@alw.nih.gov>, pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
> 
> 
My story about fish nipping deleted
> 
> 
> Among ather funny things, he describes a small catfish called vandella
> (sp??) which is allegedly attracted by a smell of urine. He claims that the
> fish enters genitalia channels and can't go away anymore.
> 
yeah... I have heard this before... it can be found pretty regularly on
alt.sex.  Truely a forum of taste, decorum, and intellectual conversation
there!
What brought this to mind anyway?  
I doubt other swimmers appreciate you pissing in the water while they
are there.

In my original post I was only trying to throw a little humor in to
spruce up an otherwise silly question.  I am sorry if humor does not equate
well with nudity. I will rephrase my question in a more professional, dry,
humorless manner for those of you who have reason to be uncomfortable
with a little laughter around you when you are nude.  

   I was recently enjoying a pleasant afternoon at the local lake when I
   noticed several small fish, which I was later informed were Brim, 
   nipping at my flesh.  The thought entered my mind that; were I to be
   nude in this lake, at this time, I would more than likely find this
   experience to be somewhat less than pleasant in the more personal
   regions of the body.  As this problem of nipping fish is not a wholly
   isolated event I thought perhaps the kind, wise, ladies and gentlemen
   on rec.nude might perhaps be able to shed some light on the topic.
   In the event you choose to swim nude in natural waters containing
   fish, do you know of any manners in which one may prevent said fish
   from taking nips at your flesh?  

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:04:28 GMT


In a previous article, s_mesbah@engr () says:

>Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
>sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
>heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>would drive me nuts!  Just curious
>
>regards,
>Sam
>

From the generally accepted rules of Free Beach Etiquette:

"NO OVERT SEXUAL ACTIVITY. Leave this activity for the privacy of your
home. Nude is not lewd, but combined with sex, undermines our image."

Also from the Free Beach Etiquette:

"PRIVACY IS FUNDAMENTAL! Many are at the beach for quiet time and don't
want to be disturbed. It is not wrong to go to the beach to make new
friends, but it is rude to monopolize a person's time when the welcome mat
was never put out."

And:

"SPEAK UP FOR STANDARDS. If a person seems unaware of beach etiquette,
explain it, kindly and plainly. Give them a copy of "FREE		
BEACH ETIQUETTE". Don't let uncouth individuals ruin our fragile and
beautiful place under the sun."

The rest of the Free Beach Etiquette rules were posted here not too long
ago. Please read them.

I too am 100% heterosexual, but I don't find it hard to control my sex
drive. If you do, perhaps you should AVOID NUDE BEACHES.
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:54:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

s_mesbah@engr writes:
>Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
>sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
>heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>would drive me nuts!  Just curious
*----
I've heard that it's really a myth that heterosexuals have an
uncontrollable sex drive and will hit on any member of the
opposite sex.  But you hear all the straight-bashers use that
argument anyway.  Maybe you should just spend your beach time
in the (cold) water.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Age: The Naked Truth
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:13:17 GMT
Organization: StorageTek

In article <1992Jul30.125149.18132@walter.bellcore.com>, mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
> 
> I'm 49 years old.  I read this newsgroup because, although I've
> never even been to a CO beach, I'm interested in the subject and
> am slowly but surely working myself up to visiting one.  A far
> more difficult hurdle will be talking my wife into joining me.
> 
> Admittedly, I haven't been lurking here very long, so age is a
> subject that may already have been discussed.  Most posters are
> probably younger than I am, and I wonder:  What is the age
> spread at CO beaches and clubs?  Are we old-timers represented
> in any numbers?
> 
> Mike Lynch


Mike,

I have been to nude resorts in California, Arizona, and carry membership 
with Mt. Aire Ranch here in Colorado. When I first started this lifestyle 
one of the first things I noticed was the large number of retired people 
that just follow the seasons going from on resort to the next in their 
motorhomes. It is truly a lifestyle for all age groups and you will surely 
meet many people in yours. 

My wife had her first visit to a nude resort just last year and she will 
be 52 in September. She was so nervous on the way there that she had tears 
rolling down her face. After three days, when it was time to put our clothes 
on and head for home, she was crying because she didn't want to leave.

Give it a shot and you will never regret it.

Please post a report when you get back from your first outing.

Bob 




--

               It's never to late to have a happy childhood!

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