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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Friday thoughts

Some clever questions from our own Leonard :)...

>(1) IYHO is Prince a genuis, fluke, desserving of the attention he receives
>    or is he a dawg(alabmama for dog) you had when you were a youngster?

        Both these things, in my opinion. It depends on the side one looks
at him. In Italy Prince is not as popular as, say, M. Jackson, but he is
popular indeed. I only have a couple of records, but I've listened to more
or less everything that he has made.
        I liked him a lot at the time of "Purple Rain" and "Sign 'O The Times",
but I've lost him a bit with the last works. "Diamonds And Pearls" is not bad,
though I think his hip-hop thing sucks a bit. My opinion is that the guy has
started to believe he can literally do anything, but this is not true, and he
would need a heavy hand from the outside when he wants to ramble in territories
which are not his own.
        I wouldn't call him a genius anyway -- a very talented musician may
fit better, I think.

>(2) What do you think of Robert Cray, Joe Walsh, joe cocker
>    Notting Hilbillies (this spelling getting worse)

        My fave artists in this group are Cray and Walsh. I admire Cray because
he always seems to look for the Ultimate Guitar Sound instead of losing himself
in rather silly technical tricks which in the end only throw smoke in the eyes
of the listeners. Walsh is funny and I admire his solo works a lot (well, at
least what I've been able to listen). I wouldn't call him a killer guitarist,
but I still think that some of his solos with Eagles are incredible. His song
"Life's Been Good" is my favourite out of his solo productions.

        Ciao, Marco
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From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Subject: ENYA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:13:47 GMT
Keywords: info needed

A friend loaned me her CD of Enya: Shepherd Moons.  I'd be interested to
know more about her, her background, other CD titles etc.

Also, I heard her sister is in a group with a similar sound and their
music was played in "Patriot Games."  I've forgotten the name of the
group.  Would be interested in information about them as well.

Thanks.

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:25:31 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:50:44 PDT Mike Masuda said:

>Bass player for Bob Marley.

 Aston Barrett. And I can't believe I forgot Robbie Shakespeare!

>Bass player from Sly and the Family Stone.

 Larry Graham. He was OK with Sly, but his solo stuff... naah.

>Mingus

 Good player. GREAT composer.

>
>If I had to pick one, probably Jamerson. Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On"
>is Jamerson's baby.
>
 That should help answer Rick's question. Jamerson was the bass player
 for Motown in the 1960s. His playing made that music. The percolating
 "busy" sound became his trademark. Busy but uncluttered. On drums they
 had Benny Benjamin, with his patented "One two-THREE!" snare shot.
 (Check "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" by the Temptations, the song opens with
 it).

David
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:12:30 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: come monday
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              14, 92 7:47 am

Bob asks:

>Now why didn't Enya get a Grammie?

	Because she didn't sell enough records silly!

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:17:53 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Here comes the political stuff again...
              13 Aug 1992 12:14:03 EDT from <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

I hope this doesn't qualify as a one-liner and no net-god has shown me
how to bunch up but i suggest you get your towel ready and pratice throwing
(i'll pratice spelling) not meaning to start a political discussion will
not participate anyway, I'm just glad everyone is concerned about it
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Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 16:35:07 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: come monday

In article <9208131233.AA02093@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>, Gary Hanley
<ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM> says:

>I don't have the article
>handy, but the basic argument about Bolton (which I very much agreed with)
>is that he exaggerates the emotions in the songs he covers, to the point
>were it becomes a burlesque. Bolton's singing (whining) has always
>brought me close to the point of regurgation, and it really annoys me
>to see him win any kind of award when more deserving artists are
>ignored.

Interesting point. Dunno if anyone can contradict this example,but did Otis
Redding win a Grammy when he was still alive? What about _after_ he died?

If they didn't,the very omission speaks volumes,doesn't it?

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Official Word on Jerry Garcia
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>the dead announced yesterday that the entire fall tour has been cancelled.
>refunds available through GDTS. jerry is being treated at home by his doctors
>who have prescribed exercise, healthy food, and *no* more smoking.
>
>GET WELL SOON JERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Boston Globe had an article yesterday stating that Jerry was suffering
from an enlarged heart and fluid in his lungs.

-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:52:00 N
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      only getting through in anagrams

        That some guys have good time to waste is renowned: and several years
ago I read that Brian Eno can be easily transformed into "One Brain", a fit-
ting image (though the real name of the guy is far wilder: Brian John Baptiste
de La Salle Eno).
        But lately some clever researcher discovered that Axl Rose, anagram-
med, gives "Oral Sex". Even better, huh? :)
        Any other nice idea?

        Ciao, Marco "boy how I need a real vacation!"
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:24:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Nick Drake

>From:         "OUT,
>              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>

>Sonia asks:

>>I've never heard of Nick Drake--how can I locate that song?

>        It may be hard. The guy was English and recorded only three albums,
>[forgotten title], "Five Leaves Left", and "Pink Moon" between 1970 and 1973,
>I think. The records have been available and then gone, of course, but some-
>one fortunately decided to re-issue the three records in a single box called
>"Fruit Tree" in the 80s. I got the box and lived happy :)...
>        I seem to remember that about one month ago someone talked about
>him on the list, possibly because "Fruit Tree" has been released on CD. I
>admit it may be very awkward to find some music of his, anyway, mostly if
>you don't know exactly where to look for (I would be surprised if he had
>a major distribution).

_Bryter Layter_ is the album title Marco forgot.  All of the albums included
in "Fruit Tree" have now been released in the US as separate CDs, including
_Time Of No Reply_, the collection of outtakes and home recordings that
was not released until after his death.  They should be easy to find.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Help me create a FAQ file
Keywords:   this must go in the FAQ
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:35:14 GMT


Hey, let's not forget the ABCD's or jazz and the 3 M's for the
people who want to know what jazz is:

Armstrong, Bird, Coltrane, and Duke.

Miles, Monk, and Mingus.

It ain't just a good idea, it's the LAW!
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>    From postmaster@gmuvax.gmu.edu Fri Aug 14 10:56:03 1992
>    Date: 14 Aug 92 11:45:00 EST
>    From: "RSCS Postmaster" <postmaster@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
>    Subject: Returned Network Mail
>    To: "crispen" <crispen@efftoo>
>
>    Your mail is being returned to you.
>    Reason for return is:
>    %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 5138AG at node GMUVAX
>    Returned mail follows:
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>           for 5138AG@GMUVAX; Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:45 EST

I believe the problem is that some butthead subscribing to this list has
lost his account without unsubscribing from this list. Hence Bounceville...

-Adam
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: One last thought before the weekend
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:10:43 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92081413090827@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes:
>   Regarding David M.'s question about Melvin Gibbs.  You can catch him in
>the infamous Power Tools lineup (with Frisell, RSJ).  He's also on most (if
>not all) of the RSJ and The Decoding Society stuff.
>
>   We now return to you Allmusic -- which is already in progress.
>

Yup, Shannon (RSJ) is his musical father.  Gibbs has a new funk band,
but I can't remember the name.

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:01:03 EDT
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Help me create a FAQ file

   I'm thinking of putting together an ALLMUSIC Frequently Asked
Questions file (not to be confused with Flatulent Unnecessary Queries
*FUQ* ;-)). Once I have the file I'll post it every-so-often for the
benefit of new subscribers. This should also benefit old subscribers
since you won't have to endure the same exchanges over and over.

   Now for the participation part. It would help a lot if some of you
who have been around for a while could suggest FAQ's to be included
in the file (along with FGA's - Frequently Given Answers). Humor is
naturally welcome along with anything serious you can think of.

   Send your suggestions to me, MIKE@WVNVM. I'll post the resulting FAQ
file in a few weeks if/when it's completed.

Thanks,

-Mike t.l.g.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:40:23 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Here comes the political stuff again...
              13 Aug 1992 13:26:03 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

I think you answered your first question with the second part of your
post (this is a 2 line post count em, or use your calculator)
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From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Billy the Grammy hopeful
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To look into who is Billy Rae Cyrus you must first in the Country Music
section at your local music store.  Listen to his music and get the feel of
the problems he is singing about.  Put yourself in his place.  You might had
had a Achy Breaky Heart at one time or someone you was once in love with got
married and you said that It Could Have Been Me.  This is what Billy Rae Cyrus
is all about.  This is what Country Music is all about.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:32:20 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      strong women

I don't mean to keep replying but my program(s) aren't doing well so
i'm replying please don't feel like you have to reply. The jazz singer
i went out with (scat singer...etc) was 41 and my best friend(s)
a married couple a  both in their mid-40's, but what i really wanted
to say is the lady i met(36) and finally called last night is divorced
works two jobs has a six year old daughter and basically they have a hard time
but this woman has as much character as anyone you'll find and her daughter
had very nice manners she receives no support from her ex she's done a
fabulous job with her daughter and doesn't hold a grudge toward her husband
and asks nothing of no-one, and of course the way i am i said if she ever
needed help (i wasn't talking money here, although money is one of the
least inportant things in my life) but someone to talk to or etc. So
people like yourself who have taken it on the chin so-to-speak are the
kind of people who i like and admire have a nice weekend
BTW i knew you had a literary background, i just knew it. Have you
thought about writing I myself think Anne Ryand had a major effect on
my life and of course GAry Larson (FARSIDE)
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:51:53 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: just one note
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Sonia sed:

>Re: Leonard's question, which two musicians would we like to see jam together?
>I know I made a version of this comment earlier, but I'll say it again: Johnny
>Winter and Bach would blow each other away, their long curls whirling around
>their heads... truly, if Bach came back, he would want to play with Johnny, I
>guarantee it!

Hey cool... they'd even look the same cuz I'd imagine that Bach dead would look
like Johnny does alive -- the shrunken head look...

- Carol
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From: tim@kubvx1 (Tim van der Avoird, Tilburg University)
Subject: Re:      Techno
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:20:00 GMT
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In article <9208111113.AA10039@is1.vub.ac.be>,         Stas Philippe <philstas@VUB.AC.BE> writes...
>Let's all celebrate. 4 Belgian hit-notitions in the American Hot 100.
>Could someone send me the exact places of following records in
>the different official and non official charts:
>1. Technotronic
>2. L.A. Style
>3. 2 unlimited
>4. AB souds
> 
>ANy other Belgian songs inthere?
> 
>Johor

A minor comment:

L.A. Style isn't a Belgian production. Rather, it is Dutch.


Tim

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:32:13 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: All Guitar Players

I'd like to suggest several things that might help one is first listen
to music not just hear it. There's nothing wrong with teachers &
books to learn from but don't rely on. Even reading some sheet music
just running through the chords gives your fingers some excercise,
learn a "major-scale" play it desc.& ascending with both downstrokes
and upstrokes start slow and gradually, pick up speed not to become a
"turbo-fuel-injected" player but to learn to utilize all fingers and
don't get caught up in trying to be a "soloist" if you've read the
post lately you'll see that many people in the know empasize the
importance of ryhthym and when you get disgusted (and you will)
remember Jimi, Eddie or who-ever you like have the same amount of fingers
same amount of frets as you(in most cases) so if they can do it the
only thing that keeps you from it is you. Good Luck don't give up
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From:         RIck <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freddie
              12 Aug 1992 20:42:34 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:42:34 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>Freddie Hubbard is scheduled to be on Jay Leno tonight.  (wednesday, Aug
>12)

Damn, I didn't get any ALLMUSIC yesterday, so I missed him. How was he?
>
>Great horn player, so check him out....
>
I recommend Freddie as another "intro to jazz" trumpet player. I was into his
CTI recordings in early high school. Those Creed Taylor productions - glossy
album covers in black-plus-primary colors; about 2 tunes per LP side. Don
Sebesky string arrangements--probably sound hoke today; but they were tasty
then. The usual gang of session players -- Eric Gale, George Cables, Airto,
Ron Carter, Hubert Laws. The tunes were usual 2-chord funky riffs with
generally a change-of-mood bridge. Lotsa solo space; Hubbard always inventive
on these; and playing aggressively throughout. Titles: Sunflower, Sky Dive,
Straight Life, Keep Your Soul Together. That's all I can remember.

I friend of mine remembers Hubbard punching a local jazz DJ in the mouth in a
club over a remark misinterpreted as a racial slur. Might have been; I never
heard FH's side of the story.

Miles trashed Hubbard in a Downbeat article of '75 or so, saying all FH could
play was fast scales. But in his autobiography Miles exonerates Freddie as a
master, while he slashes Wynton to ribbons throughout the book. Another story.

So, was Freddie on Leno? No, I don't mean literally. Geeezz.

Rick
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:30:45 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: naked ornette
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              Gelinas" at Aug 18, 92 2:22 pm

>
>    Recently saw Naked Lunch, with Ornette Coleman doing the music.  His
> odd twisted tunes were the best part of the movie, IMHO.  Don't bother
> with the movie, read the book.
>
> Russ
>
 You won't believe this (but my capital letters just got me all loosened up so
hell's a poppin') -- I once fixed enchiladas for Ornette Coleman and his sons
(who played in his band at that time).  My only other claim to fame is that
after a Johnny Copeland concert, Johnny was holding out his pick and a thousand
guys were reaching for it--I didn't even try because I figure Ididn't have a
chance.  He actually PICKED me out of the crowd and beckoned for me to come up
and take the pick... I leaped straight up in the air (this very very cool
street-wise dude drummer who had been deadpan the whole show actually
smiled)... this was better than being KNIGHTED.
Excuse the autobiographical data... the moral is, though, make a lot of
mistakes and meet some great musicians.... now I'll be quiet.  sk
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From:         "OUT,
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Subject:      Re: Jazz Beginner

Michelle asks:

>Can someone recommend where I can begin on this quest to become more familiar
>with jazz playing?  I will probably do most of the work on violin because it's

        Hi michelle... I'm not so far into jazz, I must say, but I think Bob's
reply is very sensible. I am more or less using the same method and it actually
works (slower than I thought but it works).
        What I'd like to add is that, IMHO, one has to rely more on the ear
than the actual technique or even the formal shape of the chord. Just to tell
you, last week there was a guy recording a song in my studio and I was playing
piano for him. He wanted "something jazzy". While we were rehearsing, I played
a chord progression and suddenly he stopped me to say "WOW! That note was
great!". I said: "which note?". It turned out to be a key I had striken with
my left-hand. Not only, it was a wrong key! At a closer inspection, we reali-
sed I was playing a 9# (!!!) in the bass of a plain chord. I objected that it
was against any logical scheme, since it was impossible to tell whether the
chord was major (it was, in fact) or minor. He said: "yes, but it sounds good".
And so we left it in the arrangement -- and it sounds good indeed!
        Moral: Jazz was born from mistakes... :)

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:55:11 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Leonard's questions

what two musicians (past or present) would you like have had to have the
opportunity to see/hear perform/jam together. since i listen to the blues
and guitar oriented i believe duanne & srv share the same passion & energy
but different styles, but i'd still like to have experinced it . I know
Jimi & somebody will find it's way in here. what about Django & Charlie
Christian ?

do you believe the use of drugs enchance or detract from one's musical
ability. Musician mag had an article on this subject asking the artists
the same question i expected hypocritical answers like just say no, but
instead almost every one said pot enchanced their ability and their
imagination was "less-restricted" what do you think. Coul Jimi have
done it straight.....Jimi could have done it with his hands tied IMHO
They all said cocaine was a definte detraction plus most other drugs

the G, Dead are coming to my town so i've heard i'm no deadhead,but
wouls most everyone agree that i'd be foolish to miss these guys. everyone
talks of the stones longevity but the Dead have been doing too and
their lead singer (if there is one) didn't sell out to dance music as
Mick you-know-who.  Should i see them, is it the quality of the music
or just the experience.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:08:09 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Country/Metal // Back to Music
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              "Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM" at Aug 13,
              92 12:42 pm

> in the next few years: country/metal.  or maybe they'll just drop one of the
> categories all together and lump everybody from both groups into one.  just
> you wait and see, i predict it will happen!
>
> lee "tounge now pressed firmly in cheek"
>
> metal rules, death to all who appose!

tounge (is that related to lounge lizard?) in cheek or not, the one way that
country/metal truly ARE (could be) a monstrous hybrid is their &^$&$^$^$SSS
(cuss cuss cuss birthday wish cuss) IDIOTIC MONOLITHIC RETARDO POINTLESS THUD
THUD THUD BEAT.

That settled, in answer to Leonard, I'd like (please don't laugh at me) to play
in Cream or The Who--nothing else will do.
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