From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:05:15 GMT

jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.060710.962@cs.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>In article 7059@bony1.bony.com, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>>A better challenge would be to find "firm historical evidence" that
>>>TransJordan was ever anywhere except inside a region known as
>>>Palestine.
>>
>>Ok, I will do that as soon as you prove New Zealand was never inside a
>>region known as Australia.  

>I don't believe that there is a territorial dispute between A & NZ at
>the moment though there certainly appears to be some territorial
>dispute between Israel and the Arab states.  You're just trying to
>wriggle out of this challenge, that I have presented to you several
>times already, never getting any kind of serious response.

You misunderstand.  My wriggling is caused by laughter.

>>>Besides, even if the East Bank of Palestine had never been promised by
>>>any of it's occupiers to the Jews, it could serve quite justly as a
>>>homeland to the Palestinean Arabs who have always lived there.  After 
>>
>>What about those who only lived there because they were forced to?

>Are you referring to the Hashemites of Arabia who were banished from
>their land and then conquered the East Bank and renamed it Jordan and
>have fought on-again-off-again battles with the Palestinean residents
>ever since?

>Or might you be confusing things with the Jews who were forced into
>Israel from the Arab states?  

>If you think that a major proportion of Jordanians are refugees from
>"Israeli-Occupied Palestine", you will have to do a lot of convincing.

I believe that the majority of people living in Jordan who
consider themselves Palestinians are refugees from the west
of the Jordan or their descendants.

>>>all, the East Bank (currently called the country of Jordan) is about
>>>3/4 of what was known as Palestine in the past. 

Bullcrap.  Anyway, if Jordan is such a desirable place maybe Israel
should propose a swap.  hahaha, good one.

>>Since you have made this claim dozens of times but never even tried to
>>present evidence for it, I think it must be a religious belief of yours.  
>>I try to avoid arguments about religion.

>It has nothing to do with religion.

>While you have claimed that a Palestinean state rightly belongs
>somewhere inside Israel instead of in Jordan, you have not responded

I'm getting worried about you Jake.  Quote me on that "claim".

>to any of my challenges to show that the land East of the Jordan was
>in fact NOT called Palestine about 100 years ago, just like the land
>West of the Jordan.

I think it is a complete waste of time debating this with you.
You know perfectly well that negatives are impossible to prove.
On the other hand, you could prove that Jordan is a subset of
Palestine just by finding one clear statement or map dating from
"about 100 years ago".  Since you have never given us reason to
believe you even know where your library is, I won't hold my breath.

You also know that I have stated that some of the western edge
of the Jordan was once regarded as part of Palestine, and even
quoted writings of early in the century in support.  You are just 
on your usual trip of making up opinions for people you are unable 
to handle by reasoned argument.  

>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President

Brendan.
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