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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: Re: Live Steam Ties question
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:57:17 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
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>  I just read in talk.equestrian that creasote has been made
>illegal.  Is this true?  I was looking forward to using
>creasote-treated lumber for ties, trestles, and grade-
>crossings.  Since it's used alot in pole barns, I thought
>that it would be fairly available.
>
>  Why use creasote-treated lumber?  Well, I just like
>the smell, I figure it will look just right, and it
>should hold up for ever.
>
>  Anyway, has anyone used creasote-treated lumber for
>this purpose?  What kind of results did you get?
>

Bummer!  We, at Waushakum Live Steamers, use creosote-soaked lumber for our
ties.  Granted our track is not "ground level", but the ties seem to last 15-20
years before we have to replace them.  We replaced all mainline ties a few
years back.  The color does look good...

>  I'm working on the right-of-way for a 7&1/2" gauge
>track around and through my woods.  No engine or cars,
>yet, but I'm saving my pennies ...

Good luck, and have fun!  I'd like to hear your plans.
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
From: aoml@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: olympics on TV
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:26:11 GMT
Organization: NIST

According to the Miami Herald Olympics TV supplement, There will be
coverage of the "finals" of Yachting on the last day of competition
(I forget which date).  I heard Morgan Reeser was 4th in 470's but
have not heard anything yet on the Lechners men and women.  According
to Sailing World, Gebhart was expecting strenuous conditions... doesnt
sound like thats what they are getting (calms instead).  Because of their
excellent per capita performance in Yachting, New Zealand probably will
have the best coverage of the events. Could our KIWI friends please post
results each day (in all classes?) ?? Thanks from a former dinghy and
board olympic trials contestant (76, almost 80, 84,retired 87)!!
Mark Powell NOAA Hurricane Research Div. Virginia Key, Fl.
(not connected to internet yet)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cph@moggy.inmos.co.uk (Chris Harrop)
Subject: Anyone going/been to Vassiliki in Lefkas this summer?
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:40:07 GMT

Myself and a few friends are going to Vassiliki on August 12-26th. We 
have booked a flight to Prevesa and are planning to arrange accomodation
when we get there.

Has anyone got any information on any of the following:

o  Wind conditions (usually very good during mid-summer)
o  Availablilty of rooms in the village (or on the beach!).
   In particular - any phone numbers I could ring to book them.
o  Availability of kit. I cant be bothered with the hassle of taking mine.

I went last year around the beginning of Sept and only got 1 week out of 2
with any decent wind. There was also a bit of a fight to get the best sails
(using Club Vassiliki equipment).

Please, please contact me if you are in the know.


Chris
    
Mistral Shredder / Tiga 260 slalom with loads of assorted sails
(most of them knackered!)

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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:05:29 GMT

In article <r0dm9sp.westes@netcom.com>
westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
 
>>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>>morning after a long days blasting?
>
>This is something I was going to look into soon as well.  I
>don't have the headaches or dizziness, but I definitely have
>lethargy the day after sailing, and my muscles don't seem to
>have any glycogen stored in them because even a simple weight
>workout is almost impossible for me.  The muscle tiredness
>that I experience after windsurfing is much, much
>different than what I experience after a heavy weight workout.
>The weight workout creates a very localized soreness in just
>those muscles that were exercised, and I only feel pain in the
>muscle when I use it.  To contrast, windsurfing creates a
>generalized weakness in nearly every muscle in my body and a
>sensation that I lack the energy to do any exercise the following
>day.
>
>One theory I'm toying with is that lactic acid builds up in the
>muscles while windsurfing, and it might be that some of us are
>not very efficient at removing all traces of the lactic acid
>buildup.  Maybe someone who runs marathons would have some idea
>as to whether the feeling that I describe has anything to do
>with lactic acid?  Is there anything that you can take to
>accelerate the removal of lactic acid?
>
The feeling you describe approximates what I feel after a long day sailing, or
a long day rowing, or completing in a triathalon, or....  My (inexpert) theory
is that--in addition to the dehydration problems mentioned earlier--sailing
uses so many different muscles that you can really run yourself down before any
single muscle gives out.  Weight lifting may be more specific to particular
muscles, and the individual muscles may give out before they can take much of a
toll on your energy reserves.  In a similar vein, a middle distance track race
will really kill a few specific muscles for several days, but hardly affect my
ability to participate in other sports.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
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From: Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt)
Subject: Re: Speed vs Slalom foils?
Organization: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, Sweden
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:13:19 GMT

In article <25904@sophia.inria.fr> colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) 
writes:
> besides I cannot see how a sail could be faster than modern (you tried a 
90
> gaastra, this is not a modern design) slalom sails.
> 
> go test ride a neil pryde V8 steet racer... I doubt that any production 
sail
> will propell you faster than this "slalom" sail...

Sounds interesting.  However, price is also a factor. Last years sails can 
usually be bought for 2/3 or sometimes half the original price.
     Also, I have heard that some competition sailors prefer the older '91 
and '90 Neil Prides over their '92, because of the deeper foils (bellys).  
Others have said that the latest vintage is not always the best, but 
different lines of different makers may vary a lot - they experiment 
wildly; good designs are kept if they are cheep to produce. So, since 
price is a factor... I would like last years (or even next to last years) 
if it was a hit (provided it really is a hit). Lastly, non-monofilm is a 
plus - more durable and lasts longer. Today, however, monofilm seems 
difficult to avoid, not surprisingly - it's a much cheeper material than a 
web plus mylar, thereby loved by the manufacturers (especially if one 
sooner needs to buy a new one :-))

(Little correction: I said the '90 Gaastra had 8 battens. That's wrong, it has 7 battens of which 4 are cambers.)

   Best Regards, Harald

Phone: +46 8 727 39 55  Fax: +46 8 749 05 94
Ellemtel Utvecklings AB
Box 1505
S-125 25 Alvsjo
Sweden
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fiberspar lets me down again
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:25:59 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

I don't own any fibrespar stuff. However last weekend, Nevin S. was at ASD
pitching Fiberspar. He claimed that they go out of thier way to honour
warranties. This he claimed is one of thier main  reason for sucess.

narayan
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From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fins, go new and expensive?
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:30:28 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Jul21.021052.14787@pony.Ingres.COM>, frank@Ingres.COM (Frank
Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul20.175844.12530@netlabs.com> gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard
|> Horan) writes:
|> >I put a blade fin on my Screamer about six weeks ago. It is faster and
|> I was talking with a board glasser from Santa Cruz this weekend who
|> said that the G10 fins are not a good match for older boards. They
|> place tremendous torque on the fin box and only  tuttle boxes, etc 

screamers have powerboxes since 91. I have put too a race pointer fin on it and
its performance dramatically changed (not tried the blades yet, saving money
for changing my sail quiver, but for all who tested them, blades fins offer NO
disadvatage, only you must buy crabon ones to get ).

Small story: I once for doing some waveriding in onshore conditions (something
a screamer can do, but not the modern upwind-oriented designs), I put back the
old fin in it (wave shape), started, and then stooped to see if I didnt put it
backwards or if some weed was not tangled in it, it was so slow and
unresponsive I could beleive it! (of course once doing off the lips, it had
otehr benefits :-)

So YES, go new and expensive, if you have a powerbox (or similar design).

BTW: there was a rumor that somebody (mistral, F2 ?) was working on a shallower
powerbox design for wave boards. No info about it? (It would be great, wave
fins receive lots of abuse too!). In fact I am waiting for the 93 exctasy just
in case it has it!

-- 
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Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
From: bobd@wave.Eng.Sun.COM (Bobd Dow)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:42:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wave
Keywords: Hangover

In article <1992Jul21.190835.17973@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.161330.5144@maths.tcd.ie> bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
>>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>>morning after a long days blasting?
>

I agree that "windsurfing hangover" exists.  Last year somebody
suggested the same thing, but he called it "windsurfing depression."  I
started participating in master's swimming a few years ago, but since I
got into windsurfing I find it hard to make the monday swimming workout
because of being so lethargic and depleted from the weekend sailing.  A
4,000 meter swimming workout in the morning will definitely make you
easy going and relaxed the rest of the day, but the next day you feel
like being active, as opposed to a big windsurfing session.

I think the wetsuit has something to do with it, either through dehydration
or some other effect that is probably best discussed on alt.sex.bondage.
At any rate, last summer I tried to pay attention to how I felt after 
sailing in Maui with no wetsuit, and I definitely felt better the next
day.

Doug Haut (famous local shaper) tells me that he limits himself to 2
hours a day max because he's just learned over the years that that's
what his limit is.  This year I'm making a point of getting to the
beach later so I sail less but in the best winds -- that seems to help
too.

Diet -- my suggestion is to watch what you eat for the first few
hours after a Sunday sail-- a bag of macaroons is good and provides fiber.
Then eat continuously until Tuesday.

Best solution of course would be to retire so you could sail every day
and either build yourself up or wipe yourself out completely, which
solves the problem either way.

Come to think of it, when I was learning and was down in the water all
the time, staying cool and getting plenty of electrolytes and 
heavy metals administered nasally, this problem of next day lethargy
wasn't nearly so bad.  It really coincided with starting to make a 
few jibes.  So it must be dehydration. 

Any other tips on maintaining the proper water level?

******************************************************************************
Bob Dow
bob.dow@sun.com
8'8" Haut Chophopper, and many Neil Pryde sails that have given me much
pleasure.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:20:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: catapults/harnessesy
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I never had much of a problem with catapults when learning to use a
harness.  I did (and still do) wear a flack jacket (life vest) which
has saved many a bruised rib when I did get launched.  I think the
trick is to FORGET about getting launched and concentrate on getting
as much weight as possible OFF your board.  The more you can lean out,
the easier it is to survive bug gusts.  When I did get launched, I was
in the upright position where it is easy to get pulled over.  Maybe
taking a lesson on harness use would get ya through it quickly also.

Kirk out
From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Flat Landings
Keywords: Bad News
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:37:06 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <gboates.118.712336856@admin.acadiau.ca>, gboates@admin.acadiau.ca
(GARY BOATES) writes:
|> ...>I would like to see a discussion on how other people salvage a bad jump
|>    >without breaking any gear or your body.

I have found the solution... I don't jump anymore :-)

no kidding here, I have been lucky not to get any injury but back then in the
good old days, your board were seriously damaged from jumping, so I stopped
jumping because I was fed up of repairing the fin/mast bost every month...

and then, with modern equipement, riding the wave is so much fun that jumping
has lost its appeal anyhow. Now when I just meet a wall at full speed, I will
crank a shoulder-in-the-water jibe on the face rather than jump :-)

-- 
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Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
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From: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kor Kiley)
Subject: Re: Ronny Drysuits question
Originator: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:39:49 GMT

From article <gboates.113.711732293@admin.acadiau.ca>, by gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES):
> 
> 
> 	JUST SAY "NO" TO RONNY DRYSUITS! 
> 
> 		(the sport is fraught with enough problems...)

Explanation please??
-- 
Kor Kiley                        kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Bailey/Howe Library
University of Vermont
Burlington, VT 05405             (802) 656-8290
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From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Flat Landings
Keywords: Bad News
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:20:56 GMT

...>She had landed a jump flat and broken a bone in her foot.  Her comment 
was:>"It is just a small bone that broke."

...>I would like to see a discussion on how other people salvage a bad jump
   >without breaking any gear or your body.

   >Another way to say this is "How do you just say no to flat landings?"

	Topic of the Day for me - flat or out of control or VERY HIGH 
landings can be very hard on the body.  I've had two knee surgerys relating 
to jumping... luckily only the cartilage was damaged.  One happened in 
Maui.  Dec. 10, 1987 was one of those winter swell days when Hookipa was 
alone, Sprecks had a dozen sailors and Kanaha had the rest in mast high 
winter swell that first appeared as mountains on the distant horizon.  The 
wind was 17 or 18 knts. so a 5.0 or 5.4 wave sail was the (big) order of the 
day.  My bad luck was my techno-freak interests being causal in my 
accident.  I had just purchased one of those long (double-long almost) Da 
Kine wave straps for the rear footstraps on my HT 8"10" wave.  Everyone can 
guess what happened - right? Lofted a high one, too high for the amount of 
forward momentum so bailed... but my back foot stuck in the strap.  Nothing 
special... just stayed right where I didn't want to be.  The board landed 
flat and the energy travelled up my leg, and I assume that because I landed 
on my back with my leg bent, that it dissipated in the knee joint.
 
	The other example is just as boring suffice to say that I started to 
notice flat landings as being dangerous - both to my gear and my person.  
This notice seemed to play a role in my jumping style which draws comments 
because it is a little different.  I almost always land tail-first.  I jump 
with my upper body in a normal position relative to the rig.  My thighs are 
drawn up and at a 90 degree angle to my upper torso and my calves/feet are 
tucked under my butt.  Sort of a "donkey kick" style.  This lets gravity 
help in getting the tail down at point of impact and also aids in 
maintaining forward motion.  Distance therefore comes before height.  My 
friends like to jump vertically but almost never "sail away" from dropping 
like a stone.  Looks great though...  I now have a strong board that lets me 
practice flat landings and they are fun (8'6" angulo wave).  Two sessions 
ago I hit so hard as to jar my guts - I thought perhaps it could damage my 
liver or spleen... has anyone out in networld damaged their guts just from 
shock while sailing( or NOT sailing)??  
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: root@scottf.csuohio.edu (Scott Finet)
Subject: Good Board for Beginner?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Reply-To: scottf@inca.law.csuohio.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:41:21 GMT
X-Posted-From: valhalla.csuohio.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Advice needed:

What board(s) are ideal for beginners?

What are good board/suit/equipment sources in the upper midwest (if there  
are any)?

Does the sailer's weight make a difference?  I weight approx. 230 lbs.,  
but my weight is proportional to my height.

Thanks.

Scott Finet               
root@valhalla.csuohio.edu
scottf@inca.law.csuohio.edu
Fax: 216-687-6881       Phone: 216-687-3547
From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sunday was a BLAST
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:26:22 GMT

Full power late Sunday. Straight 3.0 day !

Cheers, Henrik

massively parallel group at Lawrence Livermore
IBM Research physics group Munich


--

Cheers, Henrik
MPCI at LLNL
IBM Research
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From: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kor Kiley)
Subject: Re: Rigging Gastraas
Originator: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:19:34 GMT

From article <andrew.711643124@swanee>, by andrew@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Wong):
> In <1992Jul20.084445.615@mof.govt.nz> pappss@mof.govt.nz writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Jul17.193723.9832@novell.com>, rrosen@novell.com (Ross Rosen) writes:
>>> A quick question on rigging the (relatively) new Gastraa sails:  How much 
>>> downhaul is needed?  I bought a pair of 1991 (I think) Slalomfoil Pro's and
>>> find that, despite all the talk about monster downhaul with the new sails, I
**  Stuff deleted ** 
>>> (By the way, I also find it very difficult to get enough batten tension.  
>>> I've recently discovered that the best way to do it is to crank as hard
>>> as I can initially, go sail for awhile, and then come back in and crank them
>>> some more.  Can I use outhaul to help this?)
> 
>>Put some outhaul tension on the sail and then push the battens in.  Then let
>>the outhaul tension go.  I usually sail this sail with almost nil outhaul
>>tension.  Don't worry too much if there are wrinkles at the top of the sail.>>If anything it shows that you have rigged the sail correctly.
> 
> Yeah this is good... Dont forget that if you're battens are TOO tight, your
> cambers wont rotate as easily (if at all). Gaastra seem to make some pretty
> poor battens/buckles.
> 
On my '91 Gaastra Racefoil Pro, I find that if I rotate the sail a few
times after tensioning the battens initially, I can then get more
tension in them.
-- 
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University of Vermont
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From: ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Info Request: South Florida (Sept - Dec)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:29:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.

Hey, c'mon guys, someone must be able to help my mate out with a bit
of info. Here is my earlier post. 
Thanx.

In <ds.711635742@achilles> ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands) writes:

>INFO REQUESTED, SOUTH FLORIDA, SEPT - DEC.

>A windsurfing friend of mine (without net access) is going to "study"
>at the University of South Florida (Tampa?) for 4/5 months (September
>to December). I think we got the message that shortboarding is out for
>the summer months:

>In <1992Jul14.122641.13232@mlb.semi.harris.com>
>pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera) writes:
>...
>>	Wave sailing on Florida's West Coast in the Summer time??
>>			     N O T !!!!!!!!

>What about after summer? Should he try and take a board? What kind of
>conditions might he expect? Are there any places to hire gear? Any
>advice and help greatly appreciated. (Email direct to me is fine)

>Cheers,

>Dave.
>--
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From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:45:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I just shipped a 12 ft. poly board to my father-in-law from Colorado to
Tampa and it cost $130.  Most companies that do a lot of shipping get
a 40-50% discount on truck shipping. 
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From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Subject: Re: Sunday was a BLAST
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: ba
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:07:21 GMT

In article <?.711739582@tazdevil> henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges) writes:
>Full power late Sunday. Straight 3.0 day !
>

Where???  Saturday wasn't bad either.  Even at Shoreline, where I'm still
learning to w/s my new short board, it was probably a 5.0 day.  I'm esti-
mating that based on the number of times I got slammed in the last half
hour on my 5.6 :-}

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