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From: laudw@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Midlands football
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:40:01 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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It looks like a great year for Midlands football this year, (well apart
from Notts Forest!)....Coventry surpassing all expectations,Leicester
not doing too bad in div 1,Derby having a dissapointing league season
look set to do well in the cup (or am I talking too soon!), and not
to mention Villa storming up the Premier league with one of the best
sides to come out of the midlands.Stoke in complete charge in division 2
followed closely by WBA...(tho Notts County and B'ham could do with catching
up a little bit)

I reckon that in British football today, the midlands clearly has
the largest reserve of great young talent...take for instance
Peter Ndlvou (spelling) of Coventry..Joachim of leicester...Roy Keane
of Nottingham Forest and the entire Derby county Squad...it's only
a shame that they will all probably end up out of the midlands...What do
other midlands netters think (Alex?)...as a region I think the midlands
clearly puts all the others to shame !!!!

Darren.
From: RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WBA sign David Speedie
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:44:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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To:            s947607%umslvma.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca
Reply-to:      rec-sport-soccer@cs.utexas.edu
From:          SCLARKE%ESTEC.BITNET@Thunder.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Subject:       WBA sign David Speedie
Date:          22 Jan 93 09:37:55 GMT


The baggies have borrowed the wee chap for a 2 month loan period, now
that he has finished a similar load spell with our good friends
Brummiescum City.

Regards, Sean

He's a madman.Just as well you signed him for nothing.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gullit@r-node.pci.on.ca
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:15:36 GMT

In article <1il2peINN95g@gap.caltech.edu> christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.191610.5258@cs.wisc.edu> solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.184211.8648@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>>>Hey guys,
>>>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two?
>>>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?
>>>Nothing against English soccer, really! Just tired of hiting the kill
>>>file key.
>
>>   I can't agree more.
>>   British football is of little interest to the general
>>   internatinal public. At this time anyway.
>
>Is editing a kill file too much trouble so that people want
>to split our newsgroup?
>
>I think not!
>
>I will also disagree with the statement that British football is
>of little interest to the general public. After all, they broadcast
>the FA Cup final in many countries around the world. Is the Italian,
>German, French, Brazilian, Argentinian (to name but a few), Cup
>final broadcasted in as many countries?
>Does the New York Times have the soccer results from many more
>countries other than England and Scotland?
>
>A splitting of the group will also bring with it the inevitable
>cross-posting... I bet if someone made us pay for this service,
>we wouldn't be so quick to call for new groups!
>
>I vote for the group to stay as is!
>
>Christos

What is the basis of this "Anglocentric" view of the world? 
Sure, the British may have invented football, but countries like Brazil
and the Netherlands (not that I am biased) turned it into an art!

How about having news from around the soccer world, REPRESENTATIVE of the
quality of play at both the club and national level?

(viva-) Gullit
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs to sign Salenkov. NOT!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:21:35 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
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In article <ABrTbNhK75@cotton.ivanovo.su> dz@cotton.ivanovo.su writes:
>
>>   Regarding Salenko, does anyone have much info on this guy? All I know is
>>   that he scored 14 for Kiev last season, and that he impressed Terry
>>   Venables in a two week trial in November.
>
>  It's very strange... But Terry know better...

Well, it seems that the UK Immigration people know better, because they've
turned down the application for a work permit. It seems that they're
concerned about (relatively) cheap players being imported from the
former Communist countries. The Bulgarian player, Boncho Guentchev, seems
to be the source of the difficulties. Apparently his permit was approved
on the basis that he had played several games for Bulgaria, but it later
turned out he'd only played a couple.

Looks like Gordon Durie will have to stay for a while.

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From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Questions, questions...
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:27:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I have some questions that I would like to know the answers to...

1.  Have any Arsenal players left this year since Perry Groves transferred to
Southampton?  If no, has Paul Davis played for Arsenal yet this year?

2.  Has any player scored in the Final of each of the three Eurocups?  I know
that van Basten scored in the 1987 C2 Final and the 1989 C1, and Koeman in the
1991 C2 and 1992 C1 Finals, but has anyone ever scored in all three?  If not,
what other players have scored in two different Finals?

I thought that I had one other question, but I guess that I have forgotten it.
:-)

Thanks for any replies!

John

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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RSSMANNERS (Tips from the old farts.)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:45:34 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu


Many moons ago when r.s.s. was in it's infancy, be for the entrance of
seemingly thousands of adolescents, a discussion was held about the
growing number of participants who seemed to lack any common courtesy for
each other (let alone appearance of intelligence in some cases).  This
discussion produced the following tips intended to be reposted from time
to time by someone.  I volunteered to be the keeper of the file.  Once
again there appears to be a growing number of new group participants
(Internet growth is now well out of controll of anyone) and the public
forum here is becoming indecorous.  This file is posted only when someone
specifically asks for it or it is mentioned specifically by someone in a
posting that I happen to read.  The tips here are generally observed by
those of us that have been in r.s.s for the longest time.

WARNING:  Nastygrams sent to me in response to this posting will get you
entered in an author kill file.  Please be civil and don't act like
sodden, irritating offspring of flea-ridden goats.

---------------------

INSULTS.  Insulting another poster is a good way to get your postings ignored.
Personal insults are, by general consensus, inappropriate in r.s.s.  If you
must do so then please use e-mail instead of acting like a social miscreant
airing things in public that the greater portion of the world does not wish
to read.  Insulting a team is generally fine so long as it is done in a good
natured manner.  Don't let it get personal.

FOUL LANGUAGE.  Just don't.  If it is a word that wouldn't be printed in a 
newspaper sold to the public and you feel you must use it for emphasis then
just hint at it (i.e. f**k or a**h**e).  It's not that none of us have heard
these words, or for that matter used them, it's just not necessary in this 
forum of discussion.

ARGUMENT/DISCUSSION/DEBATE.  The topics that come up for discussion and debate
bring out a lot of different opinions.  Respect the fact that others may not
share yours.  Keep in mind that virtually nothing will be settled by being 
needlessly argumentative and that this group is very diverse.  R.s.s readers 
are spread all over the world and no one person or group will change an opinion
based on supposition and emotional, illogical argument.

Those are some simple basics for r.s.s.  Welcome to all new readers from the
rest of us.  We hope you enjoy this group as much as we do.



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From: salas-m@plains.NoDak.edu (Juan P. Salas)
Subject: Re: US Cup '93
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:42:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1993Jan27.210841.21499@midway.uchicago.edu> fejd@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I don't know if this has been posted as of yet.
>
>The US will play Germany on June 13th, in Chicago (Soldier Field),
>as part of the '93 US CUP. I belive this leaves only the June 10th
>match between Brazil and Germany without a site to be chosen.
>

	I would like to have information regarding
ticket sales for US CUP, i *should* be able to make it
down to Chicago by June, so anyone out there, email back!!!!

thanks in advance!!!

Juan Pablo


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From: juris@cs.arizona.edu (Juris Grasis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!!
Summary: Wait!  Not so fast!
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:29:16 GMT


Before you all get bent out of shape about which sport is better (I think we
all know which sport is better), I have to bring up something.

Unless the powers that be have changed Super Bowl Sunday to SB Saturday, I see
no conflict between the Super Bowl and this friendly between Denmark and the
US.  The game has been scheduled for ASU Sun Devil Stadium, 1 pm, 
	SATURDAY, JANUARY 30, 1993.
Or at least that's what is says on my ticket, and that's how it's been since
I heard of the game.
The super bowl is on Sunday, the 31st.

Have a good one,

Juris Grasis
Univ. of Arizona Soccer Club
From: SM21128@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (Curly Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Please help me to make my Football Review completed
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:36:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hello, everyone !

Please tell me (send to "sm21128@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu" or post in
"rec.sport.soccer") the results of the following games:

1.) Cyprus League games played on Jan 24 weekend (if any).

2.) Luxembourg League games played on Jan 24 weekend (if any).

3.) San Marino League games played after Dec 27 (if any).

4.) Coventry - Oldham game played on Jan 24 weekend.

These are the only results I need in order to make my Football Review
completed.

Thank you very much in advance.

                                  Curly Howard.
From: stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FOOTBALL REVIEW, No. 5
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:45:54 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article...... Curly Howard writes:

>Bosnia & Herzegovina
>--------------------
>
>No league (because of the obvious reasons

Not even a game on Christmas Day.  No-one stepped out of the mist and debris to have
a quick kick around with the side they've been trying to kill for 6 months.  

Don't these guys know how to fight a war?  

mik
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: McLEAN vs MURRAY
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:52:47 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

I'd like to get some sane responses to this post !!!!!!!


Now that we all know Gerry McNee tells only the Facts (!), It occurs to me that
what has transpired about the Fergie Affair could have long lasting and
seriously harmful effects for the future of Scottish Football:

THE STORY SO FAR:
Eight days before the euro-signing deadline, Rangers Chairman D.Murray phones
his Dundee Utd counterpart, J.McLean to offer #2.5M for Duncan Ferguson.
McLean knocks Rangers back and the two chairmen agree to keep the phone call 
confidential.

LAST FRIDAY:
G McNee announces that Rangers made a bid to Dundee Utd etc.....

SATURDAY MORNING:
J.McLean is reported in the morning press as saying that no such bid was ever
made and that the story is utter nonsense......

SATURDAY AFTERNOON:
D.Murray tells the listeners of Radio Clyde that he did make a bid but was
knocked back......

SUNDAY MORNING:
See Saturday Morning.

MONDAY MORNING:
J.McLean finally admits that he's been telling lies but insists that
confidentiality should not have been broken between the two chairmen.


Now from this a few things have become apparent:

Here we have two supposed leading lights of the scottish game lying and
stabbing each other in the back about the transfer of a player. Is this the way
forward for scottish football ????

A chairman lying is not a new thing, but for Confidences between clubs to be
broken is quite another thing. For instance, Mr Murray could now reveal
anything he wants public using the umbrella of "the fans interest" to undermine
opponents and to forward his own club's ambitions.

Can Mr Murray really expect anyone to side with him in his plans for a super
league now that they are aware that he may go public with anything at anytime
to suit himself ??????


-: In The End :-

A.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mgv@cs.scarolina.edu (Marco Valtorta)
Subject: Re: 1982 World Cup question
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:59:00 GMT

wisznie@ecf.toronto.edu (WISZNIEWSKI SEBASTIAN) writes:

> A question to all of you soccer fans.

> Did the final match in 1982 World Cup in Spain go into overtime?
No.  It was 3-1 for Italy at the end of regulation.
> To refresh your memory, it was a match between Italy and West Germany.

> Seb

>-- 
> 
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>      University of Toronto           
> I-NET: wisznie@skule.ecf.toronto.edu
From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Havelange and the World Cup
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:56:07 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1jvbv1INNlu0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> visconm@curie.CS.ORST.EDU (Visconti Marcello Alfredo) writes:
> [more from Heavylunge :-) ]
>He also said that a new rule to break ties after 90 minutes will be
>tried in Australia Youth WC '93: if teams are tied after 90 minutes
>in a knock-out phase, there will be a 30 minute SUDDEN DEATH extra
>time period.  If they remain tied, they'll go to a penalty shootout.

Heavylunge wants to make matches much shorter, doesn't he?  The problem is not
the length, but the attitude of the football.  Like what Platini said at Euro
92, results are more important now than the attractiveness of play.

Some of the best matches that I have ever seen contained extra time.  For
examples, France v West Germany in 1982 [four goals scored in extra time, and
the Germans won on t.a.b.]; France v Brazil in 1986 [no goals, but very good
match]; the Final match in 1966 between England and West Germany; and there are
many others that other people will probably talk about.

Of course no-one wants to see teams play with the attitude that Argentina had
in 1990, to only survive 120 minutes and then win on penalty-kicks, but until
something happens that makes it not a good strategy, other teams will continue
to do this.  We have talked about this problem so many times here that I will
not even begin; everyone knows what must be done.

>Marcello.

John

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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: FA Vase, 4th Round
Keywords: GRESLEY ROVERS FC
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:11:55 GMT


Results e-mailed to be by Peter Hemmings in England:

 
FA VASE - 4th Round.

Bridlington 5 Curzon Ashton 3,  Burscough 0 Cammell Laird 1,
GRESLEY ROV 3 Bridgnorth  0,    Hinckley Ath  2 Pelsall Villa 2,
Dunston FB  3 Durham C 1,       Bilston 3 Ashton Utd 0,
Rothwell 1 Knowsley Utd 0,      Newport (IOW) 4 Lowestoft 1,
Evesham Utd 0  Clevedon 2,      Harefield     v Canvey Island,
Peacehaven  4  Sittingbourne 1, Tring 0 Banstead Ath 1,
Buckingham  v Paulton,          Forest Green 6 Hailsham 5,
Barton 0 Tiverton 4             Hoddesdon 3 Tunbridge Wells 1
 
 
Fifth Round Draw:
 
Buckingham Town / Paulton Rovers    v  Pelsall Villa,
Rothwell T      v  Bridlington T,
GRESLEY ROVERS v Peacehaven,
Banstead v Newport (IOW),
Forest Green v Tiverton T,
Dunston FB v Cammell Laird,
Bilston T v Hoddesdon T,
Harefield T/ Canvey Island v Clevedon T.
 
Ties to be played February 6th.


THANKS AGAIN PETER!

Gresley Rovers still marching on to another Wembley visit I hope!  We get
Peacehaven at home next.   Come on, Rovers!


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Subject: English: The battle of the Wanderers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:11:42 +0000







Sunday 24th Jan, 1992 FA Cup 4th round.

Wolverhampton Wanderers 0 Bolton Wanderers 2   Attendance 19,120
                               Green 11 mins
                               McGinlay 24 mins

Match report:

Bolton reach the 5th round for the second season in succession with a 
hard earned victory at Wolves. It was a real battle from start to 
finish. A bit niggly, however, I thought the ref got a bit carried away 
with his cards. The victory was earned because although both sides had 
chances, Bolton finished theirs whilst Bull was Wolves main culprit for 
wasting chances. Bull had at least 4 very good chances, but either shot 
wide or weakly into Branagans arms.  The stadium was earie with one 
side being rebuilt and the Bolton fans half way along a terrace which 
stretched out of the ground, due to swapping the pitch around I guess. 
The pitch was in superb condition.  The match was relayed live to a 
large screen ar Burnden Park.  Bolton played well in the 1st half, 
although they only really created 2 clear cut chances, each ending in 
goals. The 1st was a superb 1-2 between Scott Green and Andy Walker. 
Green scythed through the Wolves defence and easily beat Beasant, who 
was already almost lying on the floor before Green shot. The second 
goal came about from a Green shot. It was deflected from a Wolves 
defender and the ball looped up to the unmarked John McGinlay who 
looped the ball over Beasant (who had wandered off his line). Wolves 
had a few good chances, I thought their best chance in this half fell 
to Mutch who rounded Branagan (Branagan drove him wide), but his shot 
from an angle was cleared off the line by David Burke.  In the second 
half all the good chances fell to Wolves. But, as stated above, Bull's 
finishing was poor. Bolton only really created one opportunity, Andy 
Walker was clear through on goal on the edge of the box, when he was 
pulled back by a Wolves defender who didn't even get booked even though 
the free kick was given.  It was a harder game than the Liverpool 
match, but for some poor finishing and good work by Branagan in the 
Bolton goal it could have been very different.
Bolton team: Branagan, Brown, Burke, Lee, Seagraves, Winstanley, Green, 
Kelly, Walker, McGinlay, Patterson.  subs: Stubbs, Reeves (for Walker 
80ish mins.).

Tom.
From: schraag@lri.jur.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Dutch competition, delayed game.
Summary: played 20/1/93.
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:45:21 GMT
Organization: Social Science Informatics
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

FC Twente - FC den Bosch 5-0
   14' Gaasbeek
   20' Arts
   45' de Boer
   71' van Halst
   87' de Boer


Head of the table:

PSV             16 12 2  2 16 43-11
Feijenoord      17 10 5  2 25 40-18
FC Utrecht      17  9 6  2 24 30-18
MVV             17  9 4  4 22 29-24
FC Twente       16  9 3  4 21 32-14
Ajax            14  7 5  2 19 30-12
...

De Boer, Bergkamp and Kiprich now lead the
top-scorerslist with 11 goals each.

joost.

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From: nachi@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nachiappan Periakaruppan)
Subject: Arsenal Scores
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:00:22 GMT

I have been traveling for the past month and have missed all the scores.
Could one of you record keepers provide me with scores of Arsenal's games,
against whom they played, when, who scored and what Arsenal's table position
was? I would like the scores from the league, FA and Coca-Cola Cups from
Dec. 19th, 1992.

Thanks

nachi
nachi@cs.stanford.edu