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From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: import by reference?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:57:12 GMT


In article <SND.92Oct10113318@elan.cs.princeton.edu>, snd@elan.cs.princeton.edu (Stefanos Damianakis) writes:
|> 
|> I've used the import (by reference) feature of frame on some of my graphic
|> files, it works great. Now, I have files that contain c-code that I would
|> like to include in my frame document. The trick is that I want to include
|> them by reference so that when they change, my document changes as well.
|> 
|> Why does this not work when importing a text file by reference? Is this a
|> bug?  Is this a feature? Most importantly, is there a way around this problem?

Import by reference ONLY works for graphics.  If you think about it, this
makes sense, because once you import text, you can edit and format it till your
heart's content.  (I suppose you could imagin a world where text that was
imported by reference could be formatted as a block, but not edited -- but
that is not what Frame has implemented.)

So, once Frame gets the file opened and discovers that it contains text, it
forgets about the "by reference" option you checked in the Import dialog.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
From: fitz@frc.ri.cmu.edu (Kerien Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: How to set up a fax modem for FMlpr.fax
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:54:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bvy0F3.57I.2
Reply-To: fitz@frc.ri.cmu.edu
Organization: Field Robotics Center, Carnegie Mellon University

In article 8083@public.BTR.COM, jbauman@btr.btr.com (James M. Bauman  jbauman@btr.com) writes:
> 
>  
> In the Sun version of Frame there is script they call
> FMlpr.fax that resides in the .fminit2.0 directory. 
>  
> This script will take a frame document, if you print it
> to a printer called "FAX", and send it out your fax
> modem to a specified number.   
>  
> The instructions say (among other things) you need to
> set up a mail alias to your fax modem, and call it "fax".
>  
> Has anyone tried this? How do you set up a mail alias
> to a device on a com port? Help?
>  
> Jim Bauman
> jbauman@btr.com  

We use this feature to route PostScript documents to a faxspooler.
Frame's use of print scripts allows one to perform a variety of
tricks.

We use a SupraFAXmodem and MIT's NETFAX (or GNUfax) software.

Kerien Fitzpatrick


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Carnegie Mellon University
From: westreic@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: MAC GRAPHIC CONVERSIONS
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:27:16 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

I am a new framemaker user who routinely uses framemaker on
the MAC and the SUN. The graphics that I use are usually in
postscript, or AMIGA IFF format. I can convert these to
GIF or TIFF, but the SUN version seems to want to take only
EPSI graphics. 

Is there a MACINTOSH utility that will convert postscript to EPSI?
Or is there another way to include graphics that will survive the 
MIF transfer to the SUN?


-Eric
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
From: gutzmann@acri.fr (Kurt Gutzmann)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame Maker 3.1 to Word Perfect converter?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: gutzmann@acri.fr
Organization: Advanced Computer Research Institute

buy the FilterPak from Frame.  wptomif and miftowip
both directions. it works, but does some bogus stuff with
frame features unsupported in WP, but get re-enabled on
filtering back to FM.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Re: import by reference?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:23:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.125712.7043@sei.cmu.edu> ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch) writes:
>In article <SND.92Oct10113318@elan.cs.princeton.edu>, snd@elan.cs.princeton.edu (Stefanos Damianakis) writes:
>|> I've used the import (by reference) feature of frame on some of my graphic
>|> files, it works great. Now, I have files that contain c-code that I would
>|> like to include in my frame document. The trick is that I want to include
>|> them by reference so that when they change, my document changes as well.
>|> 
>|> Why does this not work when importing a text file by reference? Is this a
>|> bug?  Is this a feature? Most importantly, is there a way around this problem?
>
>Import by reference ONLY works for graphics.  If you think about it, this
>makes sense, because once you import text, you can edit and format it till your
>heart's content.  (I suppose you could imagin a world where text that was
>imported by reference could be formatted as a block, but not edited -- but
>that is not what Frame has implemented.)

Would it be possible to write a program that you could run on a C code
file that would turn it from a text file into a graphic (in your choice
of font)?  That would make it possible to import text files of up to
one page.  

I don't know enough about how FrameMaker determines a file's type
(text, graphic, or "not importable") to write such a program myself.
Anyone out there up to this challenge?  For extra credit, make the
resulting "graphic" file easily editable with vi or emacs.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "I don't mind, the thing that bothers me is SOMEONE KEEPS MOVING MY CHAIR!"
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: armfswi@cid.aes.doe.CA (Ellis Goldberg)
Subject: DOS Frame .. background colour?
Keywords: hardware pc unix windows bucks
Organization: Environment Canada (CID), Dorval, QC
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 12:18:23 GMT

Brief question.. I am using Frame on both HP and PC (DOS) ..
On the HP text window background and foreground can be 
changed using X-resources .. can't find a similar capability
on PC-DOS .. Anyone know how this can be done??
Thanks,
Eli

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Phil Buxton <philb@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: supressing postscript interpreter
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:53:27 GMT

>I am not bothered about seeing the postscript. I would just like to be
>able to flick through the pages without taking all day.
>
>Is there any way of disabling (breaking, crashing, removing,
>confusing...) the postscript interpreter. Either from within
>FrameMaker or from the operating system?
You could just make them conditional so that they dont appear until
you do your final edits
Thats the quick way, unless you actually want to see the rough size 
before final edit.  In that case, wait for someone elso to reply!!
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From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca (Mike Dustan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Alphabetical sorting of tables?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:18:39 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A700994B8A012B30@opifex.ucs.sfu.ca>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:18:35 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

In article <1992Sep25.195957.20842@medtron.medtronic.com> Brian A. Blow,
bb11807@thug writes:
>I must be missing something.  Is there any easy way to alphabetically
sort
>the rows of a table?  I couldn't even find 'sort' in the FrameMaker
docuementation.

No, Brian, you're not missing anything. It's not there. The only sorting
that FrameMaker does is when it's creating an index. :-(

Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: branagan@convex.com (Linda Branagan)
Subject: Using PostScript code columns
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:29:30 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I have a short PostScript file that I want to 
embed in a FrameMaker document.  It's a single
page, and I want to to continue to be on a single
page in my document.

The Frame documentation makes this look easy:

	In an unconnected column with Autoconnect
	turned off, put

		#include "PS file name"

	Make the column a PostScript Code column.

	Print.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work.  I used
"Add Page", so the column I'm using is already
unconnected, and I'm certain Autoconnect is off.

The file I'm trying to insert is a small chart
originally created with MacProject.  It's just
plain PostScript, not EPSF or EPSI.

We're using Frame3.0X on a Sun.

Anybody got a clue?  

--Linda Branagan
Convex Computer Corporation
Richardson, TX USA
branagan@convex.com

Newsgroups: comp.text
From: mo@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: morpheme dictionary??
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: mo@bellcore.com
Organization: Center for Chaotic Repeatabilty
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:33:54 GMT

anyone know of an available machine-readable morpheme dictionary??

	-Mike
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: PS ---> EPS converter?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:39:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct13.153922.3438
Organization: insert anything here


	Anyone know of/have a decent PS--->EPS converter?
(ie. take PostScript files, look at the code, determine a boundingbox
then write out the PS file in EPS format with the %%BoundingBox: line
included and the page stuff filtered out).

	I'm working with a graphics package that produces PostScript,
but doesn't have an encapsualted mode.  Right now I can produce stuff
that doesn't have the page stuff in the file (so the 4th part above
isdn't really needed) but I have to print it, measure the plot, calculate
the BoundingBox by hand then edit it in, etc.  No huge chore, but it would
be a little bit of a timesaver to just pour it into a nice ps2eps
program... so if one is just lying around...

	Additionally wrt to the neat thread going on about 
mixed portrait/landscape groff output (in the sense that one page
is portrait flipping to landscape mode for a subsequent page and then
back): I haven't had reason to use it, but I *know* that that day will come!
If someone gets it to work (so far what people have said gave me the
impression that people think it will work, but I might be misreading)
I would really appreciate a test groff file to try it out on or
use as a template, *esp.* if it uses the .PSPIC extension (which has
made caused my blood pressure to go down!)

	On the frivolous side (look ma 3 posts for the price of one!)
I'm always interested in adding to my list of "why *roff is better than
TeX".  I fee like the last of the great text formatters where I am
since everyone else is going the TeX route.  I'm also now the fastest
in terms of output too, esp. wrt to things like tables, etc. (fancy that!)
I don't want to start a TeX/*roff flame war/religious e-jihad(!) so
enjoy what works best for you, but if there are differences feel
free to e-mail me.

BBC
From: NANGLE@AC.GRIN.EDU ("Edge-Boy ", Nangle,Shea)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Bible on Disk
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:13:42 GMT


   Does anyone out there know where I can find The New REvised Standard 
Version or The New English Version of The Bible in a text file ?  I've looked 
around the net, and all I can seem to find is the King James Version, which 
is not suitable for my purposes.  If you know where I can find either one of 
the translations mentioned above, please e-mail me at the address given 
below.  Thank You.


-Shea Nangle
<nangle@ac.grin.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: fonts
From: lou@netlink.cts.com (Louis Puccio)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 05:39:31 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


HI!!!
I was trying to decide among various font packages such as Morefonts, 
Fonts on the Fly, Truetype for Dos, Fastfonts and others similar to 
these. Can anyone tell me any advantages or disadvantages of these 
packages?  I know that some have more fonts than others and the styles 
are a matter of personal prefernce. However, perhaps some are easier to 
use or have some other good or bad things about them.
i will be using a laser printer, wordperfect for dos, and a 286 dos 
machine with standard memory.
thanks!!!!!!!!!
please respond by email.
louis

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From: suthers+@pitt.edu (Daniel D Suthers)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Opinions on Desktop Publishing software (VENTURA,PAGEMAKER) sought
Summary: Opinions on Desktop Publishing software (VENTURA,PAGEMAKER) sought
Keywords: Desktop Publishing, VENTURA, PAGEMAKER
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:25:53 GMT
Followup-To: suthers+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

My Dad is looking into buying a desktop publishing system for a small
non-profit organization that does a lot of BROCHURES and NEWSLETTERS
(not likely to need to do a book). The users will all be non-hackers.

He would like to know about your experience with any relevant
software, especially VENTURA and PAGEMAKER.  How appropriate are these
for his task? Buggy? Documented well? Can a lower end mac handle it?

Please respond to suthers+@pitt.edu. I can summarize to the net if
anyone asks me to.

(He is also considering an IBM setup which I am trying to talk him out
of.)

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 suthers+@pitt.edu      | 3939 O'Hara Street
 (412) 624-7036 office  | University of Pittsburgh
 (412) 624-9149 fax     | Pittsburgh, PA 15260
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Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: terryk@encore.com (Terence M. Kelleher)
Subject: Comments wanted on "Emulaser"
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:24:31 GMT


I received in the mail today an offer from Vertisoft Systems Inc. for
a software package called "Emulaser".  It says "Upgrade Your Printer
To The Highest LASER Quality For Less Than $50!".

The product is a TSR printer driver that takes in PostScript and
converts to whatever needed for the printer of your choice.  Basically
and 9-Pin or 24-Pin dot matrix,Ink Jets, or non-PostScript Laser
printers.  They claim support for 523 printers.

In addition, they throw in 71 scaleable fonts, which they say would
cost $195 each from Adobe or CompuGraphics (for "similar" versions).

Of course, it sounds too good.  Has anybody heard of this product or
this company?  Any comments?

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Encore Computer Corp.         |  | E N C O R E |  |
terryk@encore.com             |  +-------------+--+
607-687-2644                  +----------------+
From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: GOOD PUBLISHING SOFTWARE ON x86 PC'S NEEDED
Keywords: DESKTOP PUBLISHING
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:30:05 GMT
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct4.202545.23327@88opensi.88open.ORG>, bharat@88opensi.88open.ORG (Bharat Kurani) writes:
|> Hi I am interested in some good desktop publishing  software  on
|> PC'S preferably on Windows
|> 
|> If you know some good publishing software could you please post the same
|> along with the price.  I will be using this for technical  papers which
|> may involve different fonts, lots of cuts and paste and other features.
|> 

FrameMaker, from $195-595, depending on who you are (student, etc) and 
where you buy.

Art
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   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                      All the usual disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: eric@golf (Eric Wiseblatt)
Subject: Re: clip art?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:41:54 GMT
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia


   kc> this is probably a FAQ, but does anybody know where i can ftp some 
   kc> reasonable clip art? thanks...

There is a Washington state based company called "Adonis Corporation" that
makes a Windows product called "Window Shopper" which lets you browse and
download commercial clip-art using a modem and charge card.  (the charge-card
is for purchasing images, browsing is free.  I think you could place mail
orders as well)

There might be a discount using the product as opposed to buying the package,
but their arrangement with the companies and artists they "broker" for is that
you could download individual images rather than entire libraries so you only
pay for what you need rather than larger libraries.

I happen to have an address:
    Adonis Corp
    6742 185th Ave NE
    Suit 150
    Redmond, WA 98052
    (206) 881-8251


- eric
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: fonts
From: lou@netlink.cts.com (Louis Puccio)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:55:20 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

HI!!!
Can anyone tell me some equivalent names for the Times font? (Not times 
roman) I am interested in the variations of names for Times, such as CG 
Times and (I think) Tiempo Bold).
Thanks!!!!!!!


please email answers to me

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From: jacka@aspen.NSA.HP.COM (Jack Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:33:15 GMT
Subject: Re: SGML
Organization: Information Architecture Group, HP
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop

Allan, you are soooooo... close, but no cigar.  Move over to comp.text.sgml
and you'll find everything you ever wanted to know about SGML and then some.
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: oetiker@iis.ethz.ch (Tobias Oetiker)
Subject: Re: Finesse DTP 3.1
Keywords: FINESSE DTP IBM PC
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:22:41 GMT

eckartwe@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Eckart-Weissbaecker) writes:
>I'm searching some informations about the DTP program FINESSE 3.1.
>Features?
>Distributer?
>New release?

Hi,

Sad news ... Finesse developement wont be continued ... All present registered
Users recived an upgread offer to Ami Pro ....

All the Best ....

PS there was an test of lowcost DTP progs in a recent Issue of PC Professionell

Tobi
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From: carter@cemvax.cem.msu.edu (Tom Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Is there a way to get VENTURA to compile and number and reference a bibliography?
Keywords: Desktop Publishing, VENTURA
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:32:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Oct17.013246.20826
Organization: Michigan State University, Chemistry Dept., E. Lansing, MI

I just started lurking on this group, and I'm new to DTP, so I'm not up on 
what's what.  Please be gentle with me.

What I'd like help with is a way to use VP to do a bibliography (numbered 
list of references a la a scientific journal article where the bib. 
numbers are referenced in the text [1]. This is similar to what a footnote 
looks like, but the references are collected in one place, usually at the 
end of the article [2], instead of at the bottom of the page where a true 
foootnote would be. I want it to keep track of the first citation of a 
reference, and reorder the nmbering accordingly, even if the ordering 
changes when text is moved around, and allow a way to cite it again later 
in the doc without giving it another reference number.

I've looked at footnotes, and they seem to only be able to be put at the 
bottom of the page where they're cited.
I've looked at cross-references and autonumbering, and they seem to be 
limited to just chapter, figure and page numbers, etc.

Is there a way? Word for Windows can do this with footnotes (or in this case,
more properly called endnotes), but becomes pretty unwieldy if you go beyond
100 or so pages, or separate the doc into multiple files, where pagination is
stupidly made to be manual (you need to manually set the starting page # in 
the referenced documents).

Can anyone help an ignorant tyro?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rest of article is here, many pages
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
References

1.  Just like this.
2.  Carter, et al., Journal of Bullsh*t, 36(2), 3244, 1992.
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|  Michigan State University           |     carter@msucem.bitnet         |
|    Chemistry Department              |                                  |
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From: npn@alice.att.com (Nils-Peter Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Rotating troff 90 degrees?
Summary: DWB 3.3 mps package has this feature
Keywords: troff rotation
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:49:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



For DWB 3.3 we have put all macros related to PostScript
devices into one package, mps. This includes PostScript
picture inclusion, color and page rotation. The macro
	.pM
puts you in portrait mode (default),
	.lM
puts you in landscape. Page headers and footers and page
lengths and widths are adjusted accordingly. Forces new
page, of course.
The most typical application we have seen is:
  ...
  .lM
  .TS
   wide table
  .TE
  .pM
From: rupley@cs.arizona.edu (John Rupley)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Rotating troff 90 degrees?
Keywords: troff rotation
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:28:19 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <3868@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.211220.20566@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>>I'm in need of being able to rotate a table and graph 90 degrees.
>>Is there any way to do this in troff?
>
>This isn't really "standard troff" functionality.  However, if you
>can generate postscript (particularly an EPS) from the table or graph,
>most versions of troff will allow you to include this postscript
>in your document.  That is, if you're driving postscript.

Am I missing the point here? Can one not, at an arbitrary page break in
the document, include the following?


	[portrait text]

PS commands to change from portrait to landscape
troff commands to change line length and page length to landscape

	[landscape text, tables (tbl) and figs (grap, pic, 
		or included PS)]

PS and troff commands for landscape back to portrait

	[portrait text]


John Rupley
Biochemistry
rupley@cs.arizona.edu