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From: bperles@iastate.edu (Brian P Perles)
Subject: Re: The Master's Past
Keywords: Master history regeneration delgado ainley
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:26:20 GMT

In <1992Apr13.061525.2178@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>In article <malinon.703021180@vincent1.iastate.edu> malinon@iastate.edu (Ramon C Redondo) writes:
>>	Sice we have talked about the Master's most recent incarnations...
>>I have a question.  Does anyone have any knowledge of the Master's life BEFORE
>>Roger Delgado played him?  This would MOSTLY be outside of the actual show,
>>but I have heard a rummor
>>the the Master was the Monk in the Time Meddler

>This was discussed quite heavily quite a while back. It can only be suggested
>that they are the same, since I don't think it is discussed in any official
>Who literature. Someone gave some good reasons why they are NOT the same. The
>only one I can remember is that the Monk dies in The Daleks' Masterplan. I
>haven't been able to get the second part of the novel to find out for myself,
>but I guess he, like the War Chief, didn't regenerate (which brings about the
>discussion that a Timelord killed outright won't regenerate). I would guess
>that they are not the same since the story writers probably decided to
>introduce a new villain for the entire 8th season. Perhaps someone with a
>list of authors can see if the same one is involved in The Time Meddler, The
>Daleks' Masterplan, and any 8th season story. If not, I would be more convinced
>that there is no correlation between the two bad guys.

	I have the book form of Time Meddler, and I honsty thought the Monk was
the Master,(till some one told me otherwise).  I think he was killed in "Dalek
Master plan", but that has never stoped anyone before.  The Master has died many 
a time!
	As for his past, The Doc.has said that they went to school together,
or at least knew each other on Gal.  That doesnt realy make sence since the
master is on his 13th Regeneration and must be much oldder than the Doc.
  But hey, maybe the Master was alittle slow?


				brian (thats all)
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Subject: Re: The Pertwee Years
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:49:31 GMT


In a previous article, keeper@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Ron O'Dell) says:

>
>
>When Susan is left alone with the French Revolution book,
>instead of reading it and saying "That's not right!"
>she takes an ink pen and paper, and does weird designs.
>

I agree with all of the original post except for this bit. It didn't
look like weird designs to me. Instead it looked more like an
overhead view of the TARDIS console. I think that's why she crumpled
up the doodle & threw it away.


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From: kheldar@grafted.UUCP (Henry Karlson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The New Adventures -- REVIEWS?
Keywords: Timewyrm, Cat's Cradle
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:28:54 GMT
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n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher) writes:

> after seeing (but not reading) John Smith's review of Cat's Cradle:
> Warhead, I'm curious.
> 
> were there any other reviews of the other books (Timewyrm and Time's
> Crucible) released on the net?
> 
> reason for asking, I dropped Doctor Who at least seven years ago,
> during high school.  I finally picked the series up again during
> Christmas hols, and I'm catching up on what's happened.  (it got
> CANCELLED?  how DARE they!)
> 
> if there are reviews of The New Adventures floating around, would
> someone mind either posting them (there's a reasonable chance someone
> else is interested) or mailing them?  I've read the books, but I'm
> interested in seeing other people's critiques.
> 
> danke,
> 
> - matt
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>   matthew eric bracher       | ``Reality is a place
>   n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu |   that you cannot get to
>   bracher@nessie.cc.wwu.edu  |   from here.''

Well, I never read the reviews, but I have liked all the stories I read. 
After all, the TimeWyrm series had a great ending, and a fairly decent first 
two books. As for Time's Crucible, I  thought it quite interesting, however 
I did not like the sudden loss of DW development!

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From: bperles@iastate.edu (Brian P Perles)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who : When & Where?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:48:55 GMT

In <11341@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:

>>How many times in the 26 years of the program has the Doctor been
>>specifically referred to as "Doctor Who"?
<del>
>That was Lady Peinforte, at the end of "Silver Nemesis", the series
>before, saying,  "Doctor who?  Have you never wondered who he is?"
>or words to that effect.  I don't think she was naming him "Doctor
>Who"; she was merely posing a rhetorical question.

	I just saw it, and she said, "I know your secret, Dr Who"
She said Dr. Who as a proper name.  I heard latter that that(?) show
was writen to play on the mystery of Dr. Who's history.  

	Now I have a question, what is his "secret" that she talked about?
(The one the Nemesis told her) A friend of mine(Hi Ramon) once said he
thought that the Doc. was Rasalon, hmmmm.....

			brian (thats all)

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From: hightowr@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Test
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:31:41 GMT

This is a test.
From: dbarker@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Channels in Seattle Area?
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:22:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: camins.1992Apr12.152234.1
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Camosun College

In article <1992Apr11.233557.10118@polari.com>, hnoble@polari.com writes:
> 	Channel 28 in Tacoma used to broadcast Dr. Who every Saturday
> night and then stopped.  They seem to be using the good Dr as a tease
> in their fund drives now.  They've said if they'd get enough pledges they's
> start again.
> 
> 	However, they haven't despite their having appeared to make their
> goal.
> 
> 	Is Dr. Who available anywhere else in Puget Sound Area?
>

I don't think so, here in Victoria I can only get it via WTVS, channel 56 in
Detroit. 
-- 
Deryk Barker
Computer Science Dept.
Camosun College,
Victoria, BC
Canada
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From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Favorite Doctor
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:23:58

In article <1493.29E3DE2B@weyr.fidonet.org> Nathan.Elke@weyr.fidonet.org (Nathan Elke) writes:
>        a person's favorite Doctor is the first one they 
> encountered. I've seen a lot of "...he's the one I grew up 
> watching..." statements, especially regarding Tom Baker's portrayal 
> (makes sense when he was one for seven years). 

Yeah, that's probably largely true.  I tended toward PD for awhile
since he was my first in-depth encounter with the doctor, however
I think I'd nominate Patrick Troughton these days, for purely
subjective reasons (i.e. I like him the best).  After all, he
invented the sonic screwdriver and he was the first to develop a
penchant for jelly-babies (or jelly-bellies, or whatever the
heck they are).

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
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From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

In article <29EB7073.1817@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>Physics says absolutely NOTHING about "universes splitting off"
>ANYWHERE.  It says only that, through the act of observation, we have
>influenced the universe in some way -- that you can't say that you
>"just" observe anything.  It says that the observer and the observed
>interact with one another through the act of observation.  "Splitting
>universes" are a science-fiction extension of this idea, the same way
>the Special Relativity was "extended" by some sci-fi crackpot to mean
>"Oh, we travel backward in time when we go faster than light!"

Actually, that's not true.  All that QM says is that things that are really
small behave according to a certain set of rules, and you can work out the
math to do predictions of the probability of certain events which jibe with
observations.

Beyond that, there are several "interpretations" of QM, which are really ideas
about what is behind it.  (They aren't testable enough to qualify as 
hypotheses.)  There's the Copenhagen interpretaton, which is basically, "don't 
worry; be happy."  There are various interpretations that involve the observer
affecting reality in some yet unknown way.  There are "hidden variables"
interpretations, some classes of which have been disproved.  Then there's the
many worlds interpretation, in which the universe does indeed split off into
two different universes; in this interpretation the act of observation is 
merely a way for the observer to determine which universe he/she/it is in
and is not in any way causative.  (You get curtain #3, which has the goat and
the kitty litter.  Why does it have the goat and the kitty litter both?  No
reason; that's just the way it is.  Curtain #2 has the fifty pound sack of 
potatoes and the Yugo.)

There is no real evidence for any particular one of these interpretations, 
though there is, as I said, evidence against some classes of hidden variable 
schemes.  There is no reason other than personal preference to pick a 
causative observer interpretation over a many worlds interpretation, nor the 
converse.  None of the interpretations is particularly more sci-fi-ey than 
any other.

-EMP
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TBaker's Ego
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:39:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.003909.3707
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc SeebassThunderbolt)) says:


[original text deleted]

>I heard that TB love the role so much, that he didn't want to resume it, because
>he would only be reminded of what he was missing. Only Tom knows the real 
>reason. He may have not wanted his version of the Doctor to be compared to 
>the others for resons besides ego. Or then agian maybe he is stuck up. I'm 
>not defending him, I just want to remind you that you don't have all the facts.
>Tom Baker really put himself into the his role and I seem to remember 
>hearing that he had an  argument with JNT. So their may may be quite a few 
>reasons underlying Tom's descesion. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact 
>that he was missed. The part Peter Davison played was writen for Tom 
>Baker, and I can see why. Remember the bit with the Harp, where the key 
>to the lock was the tune on the painting? Imagine Tom playing that role, 
>the line "Right in front of my  face." was pure Baker.
>

Though I dont know Mr. Baker personally, I've met him at two 
conventions and both times I came away thinking that the man is a
pompus ass. He might be a sweetheart of a guy to people that he's
close with, but any graciouness he supposedly has with his fans was
lost on me.


"it looks like we're gonna need a new Timmy!"
               --Mr. Lizard
                 Dinosaurs
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From: 4065C147@kentvm.kent.edu
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Subject: Re: Dr. Who Encyclopedia?
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:42:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: kentvm.167C2EB0C.4065C147
Organization: Kent State Univ.

In answer to your question about the Dr. Who Encyclopedia, yes, it is
genuine.  I have a copy of the first volume in hardback, and I've seen
volume 2 in both hardback (alas, not for sale) and in paperback.
It is produced by Puffin Books in the U.K..  It's hard to find, even at
cons with dealers from the U.K..  The word is that the remaining volumes
are still in progress.  I don't know how many volumes total are planned.

John T. Curtis  4065C147 at KENTVM.KENT.EDU
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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Subject: Brian Blessed (was Re: Pertwee, etc.)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:24:40 GMT


In a previous article, retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) says:

>
>)Brian Blessed would be interesting too, as long as he didn't
>)act too silly (as his character did in the Trial of a Time Lord).
>
>Um, I don't place the name Brian Blessed with someone right now, can
>someone give me a couple of examples of his work?
>

He plays King Yacarnos (sp?) in the "Minwarp" segment of "Trial Of
A Time Lord". He's also been in a bunch of other SF none of which
comes to mind right now. One other movie he was in. He played a 
cameo role as Robin Hoods father in "Robin Hood:Prince Of Thieves"
(the Kostner version that was out last summer).


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From: cgs@hamlet.umd.edu (Chris G. Sylvain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New Doctor
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr8.155909.10550@lmpsbbs.mot.com> fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus) writes:
> [...]  Either they've asked Jon Pertwee to resume the role, or it's
>Brian Blessed.  (Hmmm.  The regeneration scene could be a little tough,
>with Brian trying to fit into Sylvester's outfit...)

HMM, indeed!!!

I can hear some Dr. Who dialogue already:

"Stop shouting Doctor!  Please!", say the companions in unison while holding
their hands to their ears.
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From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TBaker's Ego
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:46:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr16.003909.3707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:

>Though I dont know Mr. Baker personally, I've met him at two 
>conventions and both times I came away thinking that the man is a
>pompus ass. He might be a sweetheart of a guy to people that he's
>close with, but any graciouness he supposedly has with his fans was
>lost on me.


Funny, I had the opposite experience.  I don't go to cons anymore because
most of the *fans* I've encountered (at California conventions) have been
pompous asses (even though they rarely had lives!) but Tom Baker was 
very bright, congenial, and witty.  What I liked is that he talked less
about the show and more about politics and such.  BTW, the con with the
greatest fans and nicest people I've ever been to was Minicon in 
Minneapolis.



		Jon Rhein
		from a friend's account
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:37:38 GMT

In article <2253@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.130714.18840@onetouch.COM>, csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>: I cannot believe in the multiverse theory.  Why? First, it requires an
>: additional spacial dimension, along which the multiverse's exist,
>: hypothetically stacked like cards.  There is nothing in present physics which
>: would account for the essentially quantum divisions along that dimension 
>: which would be necessary to keep the universes distinct.

Are you using the word "quantum" in any rigorous fashion, or just
because it sounds sexy?  Not only do we not know whether there are
universes other than this one, we have no damned idea how they are
delineated.

No wonder everyone is so hyped up about picking the dead bones of DS9
before they even see it.  Attempting to pick apart things that DON'T
EXIST YET seems to be a time-worn favorite hobby on the net. 

>: Secondly, if they did exist, without a method of getting to them, they may
>: as well not exist.  If we could build a machine that could do that, we can
>: build one that can travel through time (space and time are the same "stuff")
>: and Larry Niven gave an excellent rebuttal to time travel in an essay.
>
>You find it easier to believe in a cat which is dead and alive (or neither) at
>one and the same time?  Why?

Jesus, this is getting thick.  Look, people, Schroedinger's Cat proves
absolutely nothing beyond the fact that the observer and the observed
interact.

Think about it.  The damned cat sure as hell knows whether it's alive or
dead.  A person opens the box.  Light travels from the cat's living or
dead body, carrying that information to the eyes of the person looking,
at c.  The person then picks up the phone and tells whomever is in the
next room that the cat is alive; again the signals traveling down the
phone cable are no faster than c.  The person on the receiving end then
shouts down the hall to the P.I. that the cat is alive.  Yet again, this
information travels more slowly than c.  

At first, the cat was the only one in this "parallel universe" that you
guys are so fond of.  Then the person who peeked.  Then, the ripple
spread further to the person s/he called on the phone.  THEN, to the
P.I.

I MEAN REALLY!!!!  Do you people think that the "alternate universe"
where the cat is alive just pops into being all of a sudden as soon as
the lid on the box is lifted?  IT TAKES TIME FOR INFORMATION OF ANY KIND
TO MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE, AT A FINITE SPEED OF c.

Parallel universes are unprovable from the Schroedinger's Cat thang.
Period.   

You can prove nothing except that the universe we are in right now is
pretty frigging weird.

Regards,
Janis C.

>p.s. I hardly think Larry Niven is qualified to either prove or rebut any
>theories based on QM.

Agreed.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Quote from Shada?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:37:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

B_LUND1@unhh.unh.edu (Marcus Windwalker) writes:

>	The quote was written/filmed for Shada, but was only aired as
>part of The 5 Doctors.  They wanted T Baker to do more, but either he
>had another project going on or they couldn't agree on a contract (I
>can't remember).  A real shame, too.  He was the Doctor I grew up with
>and, IMO, the best.  Could have made a real good show the best ever...
>*sigh*  If the parts aired in 5 Doctors are put in Shada film release
>(if that ever comes out), it would be nice if they keep consistent with
>what happened to T Baker and Romana in 5 Doctors (ie - at this certain
>point, they are scooped up and at this point they are back).

There wasn't any reason for Tom Baker not to take part in the Five
Doctors other than that he didn't want to.  I believe he said something
to the effect that it was too soon after he had given up the role and
he didn't feel comfortable coming back with someone else (Peter
Davison) now playing the Doctor.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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From: picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy)
Subject: Re: The *The* prefix in front of Time Lord's names
Reply-To: picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:44:24 GMT

In article <walshm.703277463@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
walshm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Matt 'MTM' Walsh) writes:
> Ever notice that some timelords have 'The' names, like
> THE doctor
> THE master
> THE Rani
> The president
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ever notice that some government representatives have 'The' names, like
THE President
THE Vice-President
THE Secretary of State
THE Chief of Staff

:-)

I couldn't resist.  The President?

Dave Roy
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: errata :-)
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:29:00 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Correction:
-----------
-> Michael Wisher (the first Davros, he's omitted from the new
-> Terrestrial Index, BTW) has a role as Kalik.

 Sorry, Michael Wisher is listed in TTI. He's found on page 102.

 I thought I should mention this, since I'm usually pickin' on the
index (unfairly in this case - and this in this case only :-).

Regards,
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From: ysi@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi channel
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:43:57 EST
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Cornell University

In article <333@beyonet.UUCP>,
beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich) writes: 
> langbein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Fugitive) writes:
> [...]
>>New Jersey Network showed Unearthly Child and The War Games in the
>>past month. Then they showed Spearhead from Space and Planet of
>>Spiders. They seem to be skipping around quite a bit, which has me
>>worried. My one beef is that they added the 'njn' logo ala VH-1 style,
>>only a lot more noticeable. This really stinks. WLIW stopped showing
>>them.  


	Did it ever occur to you that this "skipping around" was a showing of
the existing first & last episodes from each Doctor?


					-Joe
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Channel
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:06:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

norbeck@castor.cs.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93) writes:

>When I was home on spring break two weeks ago Maryland Public
>Television was showing the Hartnells, specifically The Dalek Master
>Plan and The Rescue, in the two weeks I was at home.  I know the
>series is MPT's MAJOR moneymaker, and they've always been especially
>good to the fans of the show.  I think they've also been responsible
>for making some of the specials that come on every so often, and have
>also sponsored conventions and the like.  

The Dalek Masterplan?  WOW!!!!!  You probably mean the Dalek Invasion
of Earth, since only two of the twelve episodes of the Dalek Masterplan
still exist.


Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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