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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bearcat respect - There is hope!
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:09:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Apr6.205945.26778@ucunix.san.uc.edu> iselivl@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Victor L. Iseli) writes:
>
>Recall OSU's comment when asked about a game with UC: "We shouldn't have to 
>play every small school in Ohio."  (UC enrollment >35,000).  Recall
>newsgroupies' comments about an OSU game with UC: ...not in the interests of a
>Big10 school to play a small school in a small arena (Shoemaker size >13,500,
>and if necessary, Riverfront >17,000).  Recall a recent poster's comment about

Cincinnati's predicament is frustrating and understandable, but not entirely
without hope.

Back in the 1970s and early 1980s,  University of Kentucky basketball coach
Joe Hall and AD Cliff Hagan steadfastly refused to play other in-state
teams during the regular season - including Louisville, until UK lost to
U of L in the NCAAs back in 1983.  That game, plus a change in both positions
enabled Kentucky to start playing Louisville, and now Eastern, Western, and
Morehead.  In fact, I now think we play too many in-state teams (U of L, 
plus at most one or two others on a rotating basis would be plenty).

You may have to wait until the old fogies at Ohio State die off, but change
is inevitable.  Once UC starts going to more Final Fours and Elite Eights
than Ohio State does, the pressure within the state (and at OSU) should
increase.  Then you should be able to dictate terms.

>There were a few lone voices out there with the UC team: Roby Wright (Miami U.
>of Ohio), Rick Pitino, Pete Gillen, UC fans, Cincinnati press (finally) and,
           ^^^^^^^^^^^
The reason Pitino voices his support is, of course, because UK plays Cincy
once in a while (including up at Riverfront now and then).  Due to the 
closeness of the schools, and their great basketball tradition, it seems
like a natural rivalry, and although UK leads the series, it usually produces
good basketball games.  It's a pity the boys in Columbus don't see it the
same way - but what can you expect from a school which favors the oblong
ball???   :-)

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From: duh@milton.u.washington.edu (Brother)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: The crumbling U.W. Mens's B-Ball Program
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:42:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


      The reprocussion of the racist accusations by the African American
players on Coach Lynn Nance was felt today as a top J.C. transfer who was
sure to sign with Univ. of Washington signed with Washington State.  Who
could blame him?  I wouldn't want to be part of this mess either.
     I think it's got to the point where the damage is already done and
that either Nance should quit on his own or the University should let him
go.  It would be good for both sides.  It's pathetic how there are a lot
of talented black basketball players in the Seattle area and none of them
want to go here.  Case in point Fred Brown Jr. (Downtown Freddy Brown's
Son) chose Iowa than to come here.  Until we keep our blue chip b-ball
players in state (like we can with football), U.W. will never have a good
Men's B-ball program.  Even if John Wooden coached this team.  No I take
that back.  It's also pathetic to see that our Women's Basketball team
outsells our Men's Basketball team.  How many schools can brag about
that?......... My two cents worth.



                     Darius Howard
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:42:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr10.184232.7541
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


All I have to say is: "Like father like son!"
From: pchu_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Captain Caveman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: preseason top 10 - no order
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Duke
Michigan
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio State
Florida State
North Carolina
Arizona
Southern Cal
Seton Hall
From: shack@sparc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner on Arsenio Hall
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: shack@sparc.ncsu.edu ()
Organization: North Carolina State University SPARC Project

craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson) posts:

# Did anyone else wonder why Laettner took Brian out to L.A. instead
# of his "girlfriend"?  On the other hand, maybe he did

Brian is his roommate and "wife"!  Eww!


GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"shack"
From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA by conf. 80-92
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:45:13 GMT
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa

From article <1992Apr08.215544.11205@brtph560.bnr.ca>, by n5ppm264 (Charlie Board):
> In article <rslltINNb8e@agate.berkeley.edu>, cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Indiana     12- 8-4-3-2        24-10
>> Iowa        11- 4-2-1-0        15-12
>> Illinois     9- 4-2-1-0        11- 9
>> Purdue       9- 2-1-1-0        10- 9
>> Ohio St.     8- 4-1-0-0        10- 8
>> Michigan     7- 3-2-2-1        17- 6
>> Mich. St.    5- 2-0-0-0         6- 5
>> Minnesota    3- 3-1-0-0         6- 3
>> 
>> Michigan with the 2 recent runs. Iowa has been to the tournament 12 straight
>> times! 
>> 
>> 
> As for Iowa, where in the world did you get that 12 straight figure? 
> Try 2. They missed in 1990 and 1984. Maybe you heard something about
> 12 straight post-season..no, that wouldn't work either because if they
> made the NIT in '84 & '90, they would have AT LEAST 13 straight 
> post-seasons (they not only appeared in '80 but made the final 4).

It think that I heard that on the network of CBS, one of the announcers
I do believe did let that slip.  they didn't go to the NIT, it always 
seems that it is either NCAA or a really bad season, and no NIT bids.  
incidently '90 was the first year that Dr. Tom (and his moroonic style)
had his own recruits.  i think it says alot about his lack of ability
in recruiting good players.  He seesm to get to many Iowans to get full
scholarships when they don't really deserve them. (i.e. Skinner)

-- 
"'But man is not made for for defeat,' he said. 'A man can be destroyed
but not defeated.'"
"But what can a man do against them in the dark without a weapon?"
        -Ernest Hemmingway, The Old Man and The Sea
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:12:19 GMT

swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>There's a triangle region in North Carolina that is marked by the three 
>universities (Duke, NCSU & UNC), each university not being more than 
>ten miles from each other.

>The interesting thing is, with Duke's recent capture of its second NCAA 
>Men Basketball Championship, these three universities now boast two 
>NCAA championships each.  There are now a total of six NCAA Men Basketball 
>championship trophies in this triangle.


Are you forgetting the Fightin' Camels of Campbell?  They boast NO NCAA
Championships, but they are like 50 miles from Duke.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan)
Subject: Re: NCAA Investigations
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:57:20 GMT

In article <53779@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Jazzy posted something about every time the NCAA investigates, they find
>something to punish you with so they don't waste a trip and all the money
>it takes to investigate. I happen to disagree.
>
>We all have heard about the Kentucky investigation a ways back where
>what appeared to be alot of proof of foul play was determined by the
>NCAA to be insufficient, and there was no punishment.
>
>The guy in the office next to me is an LSU alum(went to highschool and
>college with Pistol Pete) and former athlete there(gymnastics). Last
>year he gave me aflier that was passed out at a game he attended there
>citing major violations in the LSU program. The flier was purportedly
>written by students who suppported a professor who was being harassed
>by the athletic dept.(Dale Brown to be specific) for refusing to change
>a grade and allow Maurice Williamson to play. The professor got tired
>of teh harassment and struck back by "letting the cat out of the bag"
>about the LSU program. I posted it at the time almost word for word
>off the flier.
>
>Its over a year later, and I have heard not one word of any investigation
>by teh NCAA even though I was told my my friend that this was also in
>the local papers and on the News that LSU was in trouble with the NCAA.
>If its true that the NCAA always nails you right or wrong if they 
>investigate, why did Kentucky get off(although I've been told before 
>most of the "evidence" was recanted by players), and why isn't LSU on
>probation/under investigation now? My guess is they looked at both 
>cases and found problems with the case. At Kentcuky the players recanted,
>at LSU you have a professor with an axe to grind, maybe he made up the 
>whole thing , maybe he didn't, but you can't launch an entire investigation
>because one guy types up a flier.
>
>The NCAA makes alot of mistakes, but they have a no win situation, because
>of the way the system is set up. They simply can't do what everybody wants
>them to do, they don't have the manpower.
>
  I don't know if your LSU friend told you or not, but the NCAA spent 6 YEARS
investigating the entire LSU atheltic department in the early 80's when Dale
was waging his personnel war on them. SIX YEARS and guess what they found;
some assistant coach on the football team bought a kid a lunch at a local
What-a-Burger. So the NCAA gives LSU the obligatory 1 year probation (no lost
scholarships, TV, post-season play). Maybe this has something to do with them
being hesitant to investigate LSU without major evidence, what with no success
digging anything up after 6 years of living on-campus.





>
>
>
>Russ Smith
>*******************************************************************************
>"If this were at all legible, you would see what I'm talking about"
>
>                            Chevy Chase in Fletch 
>******************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: The Fab Five and Recruiting
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:02:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Just musing.

If you were a hotshot HS senior
and had your choice of schools, wouldn't a college with
Five Fabulous Freshmen be the last place you'd want to go?

From Michigan's standpoint, of course, who cares how you
recruit when you have Five Fabulous Freshmen.
Is this a concern at Michigan???
-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  GONE: Brooklyn Dodgers
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 07:49:22 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Donta Bright and UMass/Ohio State

According to the Baltimore Sun this morning, Donta Bright will sign with
UMASS on April 15.  His decision was because he has known Cappliari for a
while and is comfortable with him.  Also, because UMASS made a decent showing
in the tournament it shows the direction of the program.  Also, Michael Lloyd,
the other senior superstar on Dunbar's team has verbally committed to Arkansas.
He has a 44" vertical leap and will make an excellent college player.  Neither
has "passed" the SAT and took it this past Saturday, but both schools will
accept them even if they are Prop 48'ed.
From: jnhawk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: RE: R.S.B.C. Picks
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:40:11 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I Just don't believe that you guys are still picking Laettner as the
number #1 pick in the N.B.A. drafts this year.

There are two simple reasons why he will not be a #1 pick.  First his
prefromance in the final four was at best average.  If he can't play
well in the clutch games what N.B.A. team would want him.  

NOW BEFORE I START GETTING ALL KINDS OF MAIL ABOUT HOW HE RECOVERED,
yes he did.  The final stats in both final four games are good but
they lack consistancy on his part.  I look for him to go 2nd or
3rd.

Second, after blatently steping on a Kentucky player, Laettner should
have been ejected from the Kentucky game and have been punished by
a one game suspention.  

As I see it Christian "The Great White Albatross" Leattner is not
worthy of a #1 drafting.

JON
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: preseason next year
    <1992Apr7.121110.15059@ms.uky.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:52:09 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:

>pe_palmer@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>>top ten - in no particular order...
>>
>>Michigan
>>Duke
>>Indiana
>>Kentucky

>As a UK fan, I appreciate the sentiment, but there's no way that UK should
>be in the Top 10 (or even Top 20) next year.  2 starters are gone (Woods,
>Pelphrey), as well as the two major reserves (Farmer, Feldhaus).  While
>Mashburn returns, the supporting cast is weak at best.

>Inexperience will be a BIG problem.  Timberlake and Riddick aren't really
>ready, and Ford will be the only experienced guard.  Martinez is still
>ineffective at center, and Toomer and Harrison were no-shows this year.
>Rhodes may play more than anyone expects.....

> morgan@ms.uky.edu    |Wes Morgan, not speaking for|     ....!ukma!ukecc!morgan

Being yet another UK fan, I think they have a good chance at ranking
in the top 20. We have Mashburn, and if Roderick Rhodes does well, then
we should be in pretty good shape. Tony Delk should be a great recruit
from Tennessee if he is as good a shooter as they say.
Also, if the JUCO guy, Rodney Dent, signs this week, we have a VERY good
6'11" Center with Martinez, Timberlake, and Riddick as backup.
Brassow will be back and I have good feelings about Dale Brown next year.
Our weakest point should be point guard. We should have Ford back at
100%, but who will back him up? Maybe Pitino can do miracles with Toomer.
I believe Toomer is definitely a good enough athlete.
Also, there is another recruit from Indiana that is supposed to be a
real good player. Pitino compared him to Feldhaus.

All in all, I feel UK should do well. But watch out in 2 years!
If everyone is well and stays healthy, they should go pretty far.

Possible starters, assuming Dent signs :

PF    Mashburn      6'8"
SF    Rhodes        6'7"
C     Dent          6'11"
SG    Brown ( Brassow )  6'3"
PG    Ford          5'10"

Just a guess.
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J.'Doc' Exby)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Big Ten
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:35:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr13.003509.3736
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

schapple@nutmeg.. (Shawn Chapple) writes:

>In article <weber.1@edit.mndly.umn.edu> weber@edit.mndly.umn.edu (GARRETT  
>WEBER) writes:
>> It's gonna be an all Big Ten championship game, and the Fab Five are  
>gonna 
>> pull it off. Any debate on this?
>> Garrett Weber	

>I don't doubt it, but if Indiana would have beat Duke like what should  
>have happened if it weren't for those biased referees we would have taken  
>it all.

I dont know why it took me so long to reply to these gems....
Shawn,
first, realize that knight intimidates 90% of all refs and get the
"reasonable doubt" in virtually every game.  no crying when
the refs call an equal game, I'm sure you are just not used to 
seeing this in bloomington.

second,  you're from loosier ville.  get it straight.

>Shawn 
>Indiana University
>From the Hoosier Land

::j
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Subject: Re: Final results - Point Total Pool
Keywords: Madness
Organization: Adolph Eichmann's Evil Cake Factory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:10:41 GMT

In article <matthew.702679646@pram.cs.ucla.edu> maillist@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Generic Mailing List ID (Guest)) writes:
>The big winner in this year's point total pool is...
>Phileas Fogg (a.k.a. Greg Barnes)

When reached, Phileas, suffering from severe jet lag, kept mumbling
something about gaining extra points by crossing the International 
Date Line from the west.  He's now resting comfortably under sedation.

>Greg's entry was the first ever "Theme" entry to actually win the pool.
>Nice job, Greg.  Maybe you'll get a prize, some day - maybe.

Everytime I explain this pool to someone, they all think it's great that
I've won, until I mention the fact that there was no money involved.  As 
Jules Verne said of Phileas, "His object was, however, to be victorious,
and not to win money."

>Phileas' score was over 90%, which is very nice, though nowhere near the
>record set last year.

The Phileas entry also led the pack in non-bonus points, although I'm sure
the presence of bonus points changed the entries.

				Greg Barnes
				greg@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:01:50 GMT

In article <54588@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>However, Trent Lange is almost certainly the only r.s.bb.c regular 
>to have played ball in front of thousands at a major arena this
>past season, so he must be the best.

Not only that, but I won valuable prizes for my efforts.

Just like UNLV and Kentucky players.

- Trent "The Brick" Lange

-- 
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From: welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:20:47 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

I just cannot believe the officiating during this year's tournament.
The ref's allowed Duke to give a lot of "cheap shots" without calling
any of them.  Duke should have lost to UK as Laetner should have been
ejected.  Duke also should have lost to IU if the ref's officiated the
game fairly.  (By the way, IU players did commit most of those fouls,
the problem is that the ref's gave too many no-calls to Duke fouls.)
Tonight, there was not as much controversial calls as last couple
games, but the refs continued the no-call to Duke fouls.  So many
times I saw Michigan players got push around under the basketball,
so many times I saw Duke big guys (CL and Parks) over the back of
the UM players, so many times I saw Duke players reach-in...and
the ref's just stood around.

The college Basketball season finally over, and this year's big
winner is the NCAA and the ref's.  No, Duke did NOT win the Final
Four.  Other teams just lost to the ref's.

One final thought, I have no respect for those who try to make up
stupid excuses instead admitting the wrong doings.  Laetner did
intentional step on UK player and what the UK player did was trying
to stop Laetner from driving to the basket.  He did not undercut
Laetner, although he got to the spot late which the ref called the
blocking on him.

This season's over.  What an ugly finish.  Hope next year will be
better!  Go Ball State!  Go Hoosiers! and Go Iowa Hawks!

W.T.L.
From: v094n63a@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ELMO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: John Wallace
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    I have seen Othella Harrington play and wasn't impressed.
    Chris Collins doesn't make me jump with anticipation.
    The man (or as he prefers Da' Man) to watch out for is a guy
    named JOHN WALLACE.  He came out of nowhere to be the surprise
    of last summer's 5-star camp.  Wallace has committed verbally
    to Syracuse (pending possible probation).  He was named third 
    team all USA today.  I think he is as first teamer.  SU fans
    should rejoice over the second coming of Derrick.  He is 6'8"
    and skinny (just like DC).  Personality wise, they are both
    big-time hot dogs.  NY State player of the year Da' Man!!!!!

ELMO
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNLV Coach
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:08:44 GMT
Reply-To: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <36980006@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> cirullo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Goeffrey Cirullo) writes:
?Now that UNLV has a new coach, will they be able to play in the NCAA tourney?

My personal belief (call it a theory) is that a deal was cut between the
NCAA and UNLV awhile back that went something like this: Get rid of Tark,
replace him with someone who has NO ties to the program, AND has a clean
reputation, and the Lloyd Daniels "thing" will die a quiet death. We'll
see.......


?I believe Rollie's style will be a pleasant contrast to Tark's towel eating 
?antics.  West Coast basketball needs a coach with personality.  The game is
?virtually ignored by the media and therefore the fans.  Rollie will make an
?impact just by being an interesting coach.  

I've heard Tark called lots of things, but uninteresting wasn't one of them.
In his own, eccentric way, he was every bit as "interesting" as Rollie.


?With Rollie at the helm, UNLV will continue to dominate the Big West. But
?he will hopefully raise the level of play in the conference to a respectable
?level.  

Tell me.....how does one coach raise the level of play in a whole conference?
If the member institutions aren't committed to fielding competitive teams,
what can one guy in the desert do?  I'll tell you what Tark did....he
scheduled non-conference, home-and-away series with the likes of LSU,
North Carolina St., Louisville, Michigan St., Georgetown, Arizona, and
Arkansas. What's Rollie gonna do? Go knock on San Jose State's door and
say, "Hey, raise your level of play, will ya!" If you polled the coaches of
the Big West, you might get various opinions regarding Tark, but I doubt 
that *anyone* would hold *him* responsible for the abyssmal state of 
conference hoops.

The Big West is a conference with a notoriously weak committment to Division
One sports......You've got one good football team (San Jose; well, two, now
that Nevada, Reno is in the conference); a couple of baseball programs that
occasionally make some noise, and one of them is leaving; and a bottom-half
of a conference that couldn't be competitive in Division II basketball. Man,
if Rollie's expected to change that situation, then they're not paying him
enough.

....Al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada
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