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From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Maginal whites complain about Affirmative Action
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:07:22 GMT

In article <C1BKqu.GIE@ais.org> tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
>>>
>>Well Tim... When was the last time you walked in a AfAm area of town ?
>>Gone to a AfAm university ? Shopped in an area that was mostly AfAm or 
>>even worked at a job where you were the only "white" person present ?
>>
>
>    I don't see how this is relevent, but the neighborhood I live in is 
>probably about 70% black.  I say "probably," because the issue has never
>really mattered to me, until *you* made the dumb implication that I live in
>a 'white' area of town.
> 
Where do you live ? Well the issue might not matter to you but it sure
matters to a whole lot of white people. Maybe you are one of the 
exception. The statement I made above is relevant because the type of
interaction depends on where the interaction takes place. To interact
with someone on a job is alot different than interacting with that 
person at home.     
     Many whites talk about how they don't mind AfAms in "their" areas but
won't venture into a AfAm area. If color doesn't matter then whites
should feel comfortable no matter where they are ..... Right ??

>  As for your other questions, again, I pay attention to things other than
>color, although since blacks make up about 13% of the total population, I
>wouldn't expect to see anything more than 10 - 20% of schools, businesses,
>etc. as being 'black.'  I make decisions & choices based on things other
>than race.    It is evident to me that race is very important to you, & it
>also seems that you expect that one particular race should have a much
>larger impact than what could reasonably be expected, based upon the overall
>racial makeup of the U.S.

Explain this please ??

> 
>    My recommendation to you --for whatever it is worth-- is that you place
>less importance on color, & more on the quality of individuals.  I think a
>great American once had words to that effect.
>
This would be nice but no matter what you do it usually comes back to
color, gender or some other factor that makes us different that many people
use in trying to claim superiority over another.
Personally, I don't care what the color of the person is nor do I care 
about the gender of a person but if someone wants to make it an issue I
am not going to back down from my views.
From: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Nightclubs: Females pay less
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au

Hi there

I heard an ad on the radio last night, in which a nightclub ADVERTISED
different cover charges for males and females (females could get in for
about half the price of males).

From my contacts in the nightclub industry, I understand that this is because
females will go where it is cheap, whereas males will go where there are
females.

What I can't understand is why this is not seen as sexual discrimination.

Also, what would happen if the reverse was true?  I'm sure the government-funded
women's lobby would pounce.  Unfortunately, there does not exist a similar
body for men, and most attempts to create one are seen as chauvinist.

Later,
Murray
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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: AA
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:46:45 GMT

>>>1) just for the record, i'm a white female who supports AA.


>hi, Terry.  sorry about the misunderstanding.  i provided this
>information simply to provide a context so people would have
>some extremely basic idea of who i am and where i'm coming from,

And it is this notion of yours, that a person's beliefs are, should,
and must be based on their race and gender which is racist and sexist.

While your fellow bigots need to know your race and gender, us non-bigots
do not have such needs.


>i'm still curious to see others' personal impressions of
>just how widespread outright racism is

The data I see show that not only is it very much widespread, it is
increasing at an unfathomable rate. A week doesn't go by where I don't
hear about another new racist organization. It is to the point where
organizations feel that it is necessary to institute racism ("If giving
a scholarship is good, denying it to whites is even better").

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Subject: i hate yous all
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:45:23 GMT

Hey I dont discriminate.

I hate everyone. :)))


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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:34:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.020031.2501@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
|> >|> Were people with equivalent credit defects compared? No. So this data
|> 
|> >YES! You are wrong Terry. Only people with equivalent credit records were
|> >compared.
|> 
|> As reported, people with perfect credit histories were compared with 
|> people with perfect credit histories and people with other than perfect
|> credit histories were compared with people with other than perfect
|> credit histories--people with one late payment were compared with
|> people with twenty late payments.

Where did you read that? Show me the part of the article where it says that.

There were not two groups. There were many hundreds of groups. The newspapers
graphs were simplified because it is impractical to report all of the data,
but the article and the study show clearly that what you wrote above directly
contradicts the facts.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: AA
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:10:09 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <ig4oXB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase) writes:
>  The RACISM and DISCRIMINATION that you type in all caps is what make me 
>hate AA most of all. While some readers of alt.discrimination are 
>involved in a childish racial war of wanting and  not wanting certian 
>races to have or be deprived of benifits and priviliges....some of oppose 
>AA for a much deeper reason.
>   I believe that racial discrimination (including AA) is morally, 
>ethically, and spiritually wrong.
>   I do not care if X ammout of white sudents lose this much opportunity 
>to X ammout of minority students, or promotions, or anything.
>  I firmly believe that all forms of racial discrimination , including 
>AA, are simply subhuman and uncivilized.
>    AA send that message to our children that racial discrimination is 
>acceptable, and that it is okay to judge people of different races with 
>different standards. That is terrible that we expose our children to 
>this.
>     I judge people by the content of thier charcater,
>      not the AA way where your skincolor is all that matters.

Remember though, that AA didn't appear by magic.  There are historical
reasons for its implementation.  The white male power structure refused
to incorporate minorities. Thus AA was an attempt to solve that.  I think
we all agree that it isn't perfect but what should replace it. If nothing
replaces it, won't history repeat itself.  

Later,
Keith
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Order of the Endless
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:34:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) says:

>Which gallery are you talking about?  Destiny's gallery was in Season
>of Mists #0, which I think was in order.  The statues in his garden
>are probably a whole different matter.  He might stand near them when

You know, many of the Galleries we've seen have been
 out of order.  I remember Desire's gallery in Doll's
 House 1 had Death before Destiny.  This was shown 
 twice.  

Any guesses about the significance, or was it artist
 error?
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: SCAV'S WORLD #3
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:56:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <003695s.231.728022064@axe.acadiau.ca> 003695s@axe.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE) writes:
>
> Aw man...
> Alright guys, cancel the Net.Patrol: Flaming Scav Wars Special.  Dump the 
>hate-mail and anti-scav propaganda.  Cancel the Net.Patrol Hunt Down 
>Scavenger TV Special and movie deal, along with the action figure and 
>trading card deal.
Bummer.  >Sigh<.

> Gee Scav, you sure know how to take the fun out of flamaing someone...
Tell me about it.

>  But on a more serious note, I'd like to point out that we in the Net.
>Patrol are still all members of the LNH.  See issues of Tales of the LNH for 
>an example of what I mean.  These involve the LNH closely.
Right.  And some of the ideas I've got running in my head will affect not only
the Net.Patrol, but the entire LNH.   

>  I really can't think of any precedence of a team-within-a-team off the 
>top of my head (Obscure Trivia Lad?), but that's no excuse why it can't be 
>done.
I can't, either.  OTL?

>  BTW, anyone have any idea what happened to Doug's replacement?  
>A fellow named Chris I believe...

I'll send him some e-mail and see what he's up to.

>>----SCAVENGER
>
>--Kid Anarky
>
--MikE

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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: SCAV'S WORLD #3
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1H6Ap.JMu@cs.mcgill.ca>, guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account) writes...
>By the way, I propose the following change to my stories to make
>everything work out (finally): SideKick Man in THE LEADERSHIP CRISIS
>becomes Myk-El.  This because Myk-El isn't dead and, as Jef informs
>me (and he should know), SideKick Man turned out to be an evil robot
>(I *hate* it when that happens!).

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  He was found out to be a robot, after all, in E-Song. (And the
plans I had for him, too. sniff)  What a sec.  You just said that.  Must be
those toxic fumes at work must be still on the brain.  Actually, it can be
another SideKick Man robot, if you really want. :)

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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: BIG SCAV SIGH!
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:54:32 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>   What do you mean the Net.Patrol won't be on the timeline?
>   They were mentionned in Flame Wars.   They were in Leadership Crisis.
>   Read Tales for some stories which will be involveing the LNH closely.
>   I feel so snubbed!  So rejected!

When Scave posts the Continuity you can insert your net patrol stories in.  I
think the reason that they are not being included is because there are so many
of them, or scav hasn't been following the story line super close.  Also
net.patrol stories tend to go off by themselves and exclude the happenings of
the rest of the LNH, so why include it into the mainstream.  So what I am
saying is that you can add the stories to the LNH timestream, when it is
posted...
						wReam...

P.S.  Thanks to Cliche Dude, the roster will be out sooner than you think.

Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (THE SCAVENGER STRIKES BACK)
Subject: Re: LNH: SCAV'S WORLD #3
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:00:37 GMT

TIMELINE DELETED
>
>Hey!!!!
>What about the Eve of Collection?????
>Its currently running right now.
>And also the CrossOver Caper???
>Scav, I think your slipping.
>
>

Ok,  I eft these out for a reason.  Eve of collection has no bearing on 
Continuity other than it takes place after ESONG and before 501:TSKR.  That's 
it.  As for the CrossOver Caper.  It hasn't started yet, has it.  It will take
place after UN#6.  So watch for whatever wReam does with the Ninja and the ne
leader, and then take it from there.

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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: SCAV'S WORLD #2--MikE's Mutterings
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:50:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1993Jan23.054323.27121@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (THE SCAVENGER STRIKES BACK) writes:
>Hey hey, ho ho!
Ha ha, hee hee!

>Clinton won the election,
You got possessed by Sister State-the-Obvious, huh?

>ON TO THE LNH:
>Don't know if he reads us or not, but I want to thank TOM GALLOWAY for including
>us in the Alternative Squiddies.  It gives a me a feeling of aceptence from one
>of (IMHO) the big names on RACM.
I'm personally waiting for PAD to make a reference--just one eensy beensy ref-
erence--to us in one of his posts.  (I don't buy CBG, so I don't read his 
column.)

>Congrats to Brian "OTL" for being a SCAVIE winner!  Brian correctly Identified
>my new closing.  I won't say where it's from, so that others can take a guess.
Hey, I thought I had it right!

>Is it me, or does Martin post an awful lot for someone who was leaving us? :-)
Or maybe it's me.

>wReam, what mail?  I haven't heard from you in a day or two.  Did you get my 
>mail of yesturday?
And where's the roster?!?

>TORI's BACK!!!!! YAY!!!!!
Cellllebrate tonight.....

>Oh, BTW Martin, congrats on getting published! YAY!!!!
Do tell.  Published where?  And what?

>Well that's it for this issue.  Maybe I should hold a letter col. name contest?
MayB.

--MikE...gotta go now, myself.


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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: Deja HULK
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:12:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <C1H0IH.HyM@cs.mcgill.ca> guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account) writes:
>Plot King is in the lobby.

Ummm....isn't Plot King supposed to be off in alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo?  I dis-
tinctly remember him wanting to stay there after visiting in LOF.  

>PS: If some one says this doesn't fit into continuity, I'll scream. :)

Sorry, Martin.  Somedays, you just can't win.

Everybody cover your ears.

--MikE...savin' Scav the trouble of pointing this out himself.


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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey D Kolodziej)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: Another Roster UpDate
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:20:21 GMT
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I just finished the first stage of the roster.
The huge mail I got from Ream has been written down.
I need to look thru my own files and add other characters I created
but did not make a form for.

I also need forms from the following people:
SCAV
DAVE VAN D.
REAM

Then I need to categorize and alphabetize it all.

I am not sure I got all of them but if you had not sent in a form,
please mail me at

v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: SANDMAN: Order of the Endless
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:05:48 GMT

I was just looking at Destiny's gallery when I noticed that Delirium
wasn't last in order (Desire is, I would guess but isn't shown at all).
I had thought that the Endless's order in the gallery denoted their
relative age to each other.  Everything else is OK: Destiny first, Death,
Dream, Destruction, but then it's Delirium, Despair, and Desire (not shown).
Gaiman must have qualified this somewhere; could someone refresh my memory?

Anyway, this is the most enjoyable arc so far, IMHO.  I haven't looked forward 
to a comic this much since Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.
These characters are wonderful.

Cheers,
Ted Tsai
tsait@rpi.edu





Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (THE SCAVENGER STRIKES BACK)
Subject: LNH: BIG SCAV SIGH!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:27:53 GMT

Ok, here's the deal!

I (SCAV) am not leaving the lnh.  I will still be here doing whatever it is I
do around here.  My character, Rebel Yell, will be taking a leave of absence
from the team, following the events of LOF, Flame Wars, LC, and UN#5.  Y'all
might have noticed in Flame Wars, RY was having some problems.  These stimm from
LOF.  

Sometime this week, I will post 501 Blues: The Flame Wars Epilogue.
This is when RY leaves, the team gets a brand spanking new co-leader, and leads 
into UN#6.  As I said, it all works out.  Trust me.

Also, Having a story be Elsewhirled is not bad.  Remmember, we are not marvel!
So it's not being What ifed.  We're actually closer to DC, and Elseworlds are 
generally good.  Basicaly, it's a cleanup meassure, woth out resorting to 
alt.worlds.  And I'm try8ing to Salvage as much as possible.

BTW, the timeline for tomoorrow, does NOT include the Net.Patrol.  They have
a pretty much seperate continuity from the rest of the group.  BTW guys (Mike
esp.) are you still gonna take Typo Lad into your midst?  I hope so (gotta do 
something with him after 501:FWE)

That should do it for now.

Be Seeing You...


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