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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.051620.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>Dave, Dave, Dave....What's the use of trying to explain it.  Those of us
>who live it 365 days a year (a believe me I felt that extra day this year)
>cannot possibly explain it to those who think that their game is the same
>or bigger.  They can never understand the blood feud nature of the game
>Alabama style, the year-long high from winning, the loss of self-esteem
>from losing, and facination-dread that hits you in the pit of the stomach
>as the game approaches (not the week before...it starts building about July
>or August) in which winning is a better-than-drugs rush, but losing is the
>most sickening, empty feeling provided by any "sporting" event.  Don't try
>to explain it.  Its a curse that all of us that were born in this state
>have to live with our entire lives.  Relish the good moments 
> (... Bo over the top...)
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    For what it is worth, Bo dropped by my parents' house shortly after 
this game and I asked him if he made it over the line.  He smiled and said
"Nope, but the official thought I did and that's all that matters".  
Watching the replay over and over, I never thought he had made it.  But, 
it counts and auburn won.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov (Jackie Wilson - BCSS)
Subject: Re: gators in the poll:  why?
Reply-To: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:10:52 GMT

In article 6363@npri6.npri.com, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
>
>>The thing that bugs me the most is to see Clemson (2-2) and Florida (1-2)
>>still in the poll . . . 
>
>
>much as it pains me to admit it, the team sucks:
>UF shouldn't even be ranked in the top 250.
>

I don't think UF "sucks".  Shane Matthews had the worst game he will *ever*
have (even after he turns pro :^) against MSU.  MSU played a beautiful defensive
game against the Gators but Miss is not THAT much better than Florida.
However,  there is no way UF should be ranked in the top 25.  Florida is ranked
with a 1-2 record and my Auburn Tigers are no where to be found with a
4-1 record!!  Whether AU deserves to be ranked is another matter.  Its just the
principle of the thing :^)

Jackie Wilson
Boeing Computer Support Services
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:49:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia


 Ah ha! someone to blame our lousy second half performance on!  You woofed at
halftime!  What the hell were you thinking???? Actually I blame this one on 
George Welsh. The entire second half, he insisted on running between the tackles
Was hew trying to sit on the lead?  Jesus what a heart-breaker.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Cannons (was Re: Obnoxious Maryland TD Celebrations)
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:56:06 GMT
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In <1992Oct6.211401.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

> What about the U Texas cannon?  It sounded pretty loud to me last year during
> the Auburn-Texas game.  They fired that thing several times during the game.
> 
> This is turning into a pretty low "caliber" thread.....

  The Clueless Cow cannon[tm] is a mere popgun.  The Aggie cannon is much 
larger and louder.  But I note that the Citadel apparently has a whole damn
field artillery battery, so I guess they win this particular skirmish (unless
Navy has the Iowa fire a broadside).


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:50:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.cam.718915801
Organization: University of Washington

OK, I'm confused....

Miami doesn't lose to Arizona in Miami by the score of 7-8, and 
(rightly, IMHO) gets dropped in the polls.  (BTW, for all you folk
who keep saying the UW-Cal score was 7-7 at the half, wasn't Miami
*losing* to Arizona at the half? A football game lasts 60 minutes.)
UW, on the other hand, beats top-25 Cal by 19, and also gets dropped
from the #1 spot.  So, just how many points does UW have to win
by to overcome the bias towards east coast teams?  100? 1000?

Cam

P.S. Tennesee vs. Arkansas = Crummy game of the week???  You Vol's
fans have been awful quiet....
From: azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WEEKLY TOP 25
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:32:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA


      -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----

THIS LAST
WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Last Week's Results          Next Game
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1    1  Washington    5 0 0  WON v. California,35-16      at Oregon, 10/17
 2    2  Miami         5 0 0  WON at Penn St., 17-14       v. TCU, 10/17
 3    3  Michigan      4 0 1  WON v. MichiganSt,35-10      at Indiana,10/17
 4    6  Alabama       6 0 0  WON at Tulane, 37-0          at Tenn, 10/17
 5    5  Texas A&M     5 0 0  --IDLE--                     v. Rice, 10/17
 6    8  Florida St    5 1 0  WON v. N.Carolina,36-13      at Ga Tech, 10/17
 7    9  Colorado      5 0 0  WON at Missouri, 6-0         v. Oklahoma, 10/17
 8   11  Stanford      5 1 0  WON at UCLA, 19-7            v. Arizona, 10/17
 9    7  Penn State    5 1 0  LOST v. Miami, 17-14         v. BostonColl,10/17
10   12  Georgia       5 1 0  WON v. GeorgiaSo, 34-7       v. Vanderbilt, 10/1
11   14  Nebraska      4 1 0  WON v. OklahomaSt,55-0       at Missouri, 10/24
12   13  Notre Dame    4 1 1  WON at Pitt, 52-21           v. BYU, 10/24
13    4  Tennessee     5 1 0  LOST v. Arkansas,25-24       v. Alabama,10/17
14   15  Syracuse      4 1 0  WON v. Rutgers,50-28         at W.Virginia,10/17
15   18  Miss. State   4 1 0  WON v. Auburn, 14-7          at S.Carolina,10/17
16   17  Georgia Tech  4 1 0  WON at Maryland,28-26        v. Florida St,10/17
17   10  Virginia      5 1 0  LOST v. Clemson, 29-28       at N.Carolina,10/17
18   20  Southern Cal  2 1 1  WON v. Oregon 32-10          v. California,10/17
19   25  Clemson       3 2 0  WON at Virginia, 29-28       v. Duke, 10/17
20   21  Boston Coll   4 0 1  --IDLE--                     at PennSt, 10/17
21   25  NC State      5 2 0  WON v. TexasTech,48-13       at Va.Tech, 10/17
22   --  WashingtonSt  5 0 0  WON v. Oregon St,35-10       v. UCLA, 10/17
23   23  Florida       2 2 0  WON v. LSU, 28-21            v. Auburn, 10/17
24   --  W.Vinrginia   3 0 2  --IDLE--                     v. Syracuse,10/17
25   --  Kansas        4 1 0  WON v. Kansas St,31-7        at Iowa St,10/17

   Last week's casualties...

LAST
WEEK  SCHOOL       W L T  Last Game                   Next Game
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 16  Oklahoma      3 2 0  LOST at Texas 34-24          at Colorado,10/17
 19  UCLA          3 2 0  LOST v. Stanford, 19-7       at Wash St, 10/17
 21  Ohio State    3 2 0  LOST v. Illinois,18-16       v. Northwest,10/17
 24  California    3 2 0  LOST at Wash, 35-16          at SouthernCal,10/17
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: OU vs. tx
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:45:36 GMT
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In <1992Oct9.215708.2019@digi.lonestar.org> mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org writes:

[much so-called "Longhorn" drivel deleted.]

> Michael D Horbovetz                            mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org     
> DSC Communications Corporation                 Plano, Tx  75075

  And not even a freshman.  Tsk.  You know, Goob they get dumber every
year.  I nominate this guy for the Goober School for the Clueless.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: jm21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: One-sided Rivalries
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:11:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bvt9Ix.IoK@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>Someone recently posted about one-sided rivalries (i.e. Virginia
>Tech-UVA).  I think this happens when one team gets dominant for too
>long, the typical underdog starts treating it as the "big game".
>
>Not to sound blasphemous to my fellow Georgia Tech alums out there,
>but I think Georgia Tech-Georgia hsa gotten this way.    Many UGA

A few years ago, I might have agreed with you.  However, after 1989 and
1990, I think they got a little more interested. (It's funny how getting
beat after being used to winning will do that :-).

>deal out of it.   After all, "To Hell With Georgia ..." is part of
>our school song ...
>
Yes, and they sing "Glory, glory to Old Georgia and to Hell with
Georgia Tech" also.




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From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quarterback Rating Formula
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:33:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Oct8.173350.1
Organization: Utah Valley Community College

> % > Could someone please enlighten me on the formula used to get the quarterback 
> % > rating or quarterback efficiency number.  Thanks so much.
> % > 
> %(((COMPLETIONS + (3.3 * TD'S) - (2.0 * INT'S)) * 100) + (8.4 * YARDS)) / ATTMPTS
> 
> So, where does this formula come from?  How "official" is it?  
> 
> And who decides what the weighting factors like "3.3", "2.0", and "8.4" should
> be?
> 

BYU's SID gave me this formula (in a slightly different
layout) many moons ago...It has worked for me just fine.

I use the above form to accommendate the mini calulator on my watch.
It has no memory, and I just have to remember one number at a time.

Yes, I'm the one in the stands missing the game while I consentrate on
pushing the little buttons on my watch to see how Detmer's rating is(was)
growing.....

High TD's, low Ints, and 10+ yards per attempt is a good indication of 
a good rating for a game or season...Detmer broke the NCAA record for
yards per attempt his sophomore year and consequently (in part) led the nation
that year in passing efficiency.

The above formula is simply:

Completion/att pct + Yards/att pct + TD pct - Int pct
with the above asked about weighting factors thrown in.

The rumor I heard of how the weighting factors came about is that 
they compiled quarterback stats from 19?? to 19??  and then adjusted
the weighting factors until the overall rating equaled 100.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Whining re: ACC officials etc.
Followup-To: <1992Oct8.150302.27406@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:48:52 GMT


In article: <1992Oct8.150302.27406@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,  rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>please spare us your whining shit!@ declare a forfiet?!@ OH PLEASE!

>Im glad Erickson has more dignity and sportsmanship than you, you 
>pathetic whiner. newsflash: YOU WON. STOP BITCHING.

I'll tell you what Rob, you stand there with your leg straight up in the air
like you just finished punting the ball and let me and one of my friends
clobber you from either side. Then you'll maybe see what I'm talking about.

What I was really trying to say in that post but I see I was speaking a mile
over your head, is that the first responsibility of a referee in sports is to
ensure the safety of the participants by proper enforcement of the rules. If
they can't do that then they have no business being on the field. The players
who are participating are owed at least that concession. If they aren't given
said concession then they shouldn't be on the field either.

Clipping and illegal blocking from the back are rules that were made to protect
the player on the receiving end of these types of blocks. Roughing the kicker
was placed in the rule books to keep the kicker from suffering crippling
injuries while they were exposed with their leg in the air. Did you think these
rules were placed in the books just so ref's would have another excuse to pull
their yellow hankies out and drop them? If you've never been the recipient of
one of these violations in an organized game of football then you have no clue
how dangerous they can be.

I can see the referee crew missing a call here and there, but when the ref is
standing right there next to the kicker and he watches what took place in the
game and does nothing that is nothing short of derilection of duty. If you
don't think so then take up my offer, PLEASE!

John "I got murder in my heart for the ref's" T.
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From: blythes@cs.rpi.edu (Stephen Blythe)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
|> 
|> What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
|> they as intense to both teams?
|> 

just in case folks out there might be interested, the oldest rivalry in the
country is Lehigh U. vs Lafayette Coll., currently two patriot league teams. I
*believe* they are somewhere around the 200 game mark ....

-steve
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 My views do not necessarily reflect those of the bozos surrounding me.

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			       BU__ SH__"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: ESPN Studio Show Question
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:09:02 GMT

Is it in Craig James's job description that he must disagree with everything
Lee Corso says, or is that just what any normal human being would do?

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: Ohio's Smith
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:34:43 CDT

In the Ohio State - Illinois game, Robert Smith went in to play
in the first quarter when they were down by seven points... (they
lost eventually, anyway)

Cooper said that he wouldn't use the injured Robert Smith unless
it was absolutely necessary...  Could it be he knew he was in
deep doo doo in the first quarter? *grin*

--
Johne
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:52:43 GMT

In article <ASH.92Oct15082928@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>In article <dkm2.718951522@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>
>  >Actually, I just want all of this Miami - Washington woofing to stop.  Until
>  >the two teams play, it will continue.  Even if one team gets beat, they
>  >will say the other still can not beat them.  Oh well.....
>
>But they won't say as much.  Nothing stops woofing like a good loss.
>Witness the lack of woofing by TOSU and Tennessee fans lately...
>
>Here's to Miami and Washington, ahead of Michigan in the polls, but
>behind Michigan in talent.  
>Go Blue!
>

  Do you have any way to back this statement up?  Michigan has more talent
than Miami and Washington?  Okay...  Michigan has Elvis Grbac and Tyrone
Wheatley!!  Now, that's a lot of talent.  If you had Desmond Howard this year,
then I may have given you some credit, but your statement is brash and 
without merit.  

  You just WOOFED Michigan out of contention for the MNC.  You insulted the
Supergoobers of both Miami AND Washington.  You're toast my friend.  It was
nice knowing you..  :)

With regards... HAH!!

-Behzad


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:48:24 GMT

In article <yvonne.719004336@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
> In <71103@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> 
> >Well the ACC went 1-1 against the MIGHTY PAC-10!!! last year in the bowls.
> >Perhaps only .500 ball against the left coasters is "not too well"
> >in your book?

> Well, the ACC may have gone .500 against a single conference, but what was
> the
> conference's overall record in bowl play?  What was its record in overall
> regular season non-conference play?
> -- 

Yvonne, this is like sticking a steak in your back pocket and
jumping over the chain link fence at the junk yard.  Sic her, Mark.



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scooter@antarctica.earth.nwu.edu (Scott Relyea)
Subject: Re: NU-Purdue result/Big Ten
Summary: NU Football and "Parity" 
Organization: Geological Sciences Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:28:41 GMT

>Seriously, though, I can't be the only one scared about what happened
>Saturday: four upsets!  (Five, if you believe some people in Iowa City... :)
>Was it just "Big Fluke" day?  Is the Big 10 really that fallible?  Will we
>ever again have a second-place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Will we
>ever again have a FIRST place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Yes, I
>know, some Ann Arbor-ites would beg to differ, but the season's still
>young, and tying Notre Dame looks less and less like a spectacular feat...
>
>What's going on?
>
>ecw

Could it be that evil word:  "parity"?????????
It's happened on the basketball court - watch out for NU hoops this
year!!!!! - Expect More Victory...

As for this week's game:  Indiana? - Lost to Michigan State? -who lost
to Tiny Piddly Michigan school? - Should we be scared of the Hoosiers,
on our own turf.
Watch the fans, they'll be out this weekend, certainly not too loud or
too threatening to the Indiana team, but I think our 'Cats will do 
most of the yelling, and WINNING....NU 31-21!!!!!!
2 Be or Not 2 Be leading the Big Ten (?!!!)  Go Cats

EXPECT VICTORY

Scoot

P.S.  There's another NU "Woof" for ya....


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 4-Oct
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:40:12 CDT

CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>Did you forget that A&M *beat* Stanford?  For that matter, how can
>ND still be ranked higher than Stanford?  You've got a serious

Um, are you implying that if team A defeats team B, then team A should
automatically be ranked higher than team B?  This would cause a lot
of ranking contradictions...

Teams just don't always play their best against some opponents, and
other teams play better than 100% at other times...

--
Johne...   Kariel the Margrave
"The question the truly scientific ask is 'Did God make man,
 or did man make God?'"

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