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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:49:44 GMT

In article <BxoFs4.CFv@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>
>>Gay teens commit suicide due to social pressure.
>
>This is almost certainly true in the general case.

Do you have any data to back this up? Or are you just stating something that
other people also stated as a fact without given major proof of that?


>>If you voted yes on OR9 or Co2, you are a hate-monger.
>
>That's a simple statement of fact.

You are using hate here as some Jews use anti-Semite. That is not a serious
point.


>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 

AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: What about OUR rights
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:31:55 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <By6Iqo.Czn@acsu.buffalo.edu> v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:

>With all this talk, however, people are ignoring what is really important- the 
>rights of American men who choose a normal and decent type of lifestyle.  If 
>America gives in to the voice of the minority and grants homosexuals equal 
>rights and even allows them to enlist in the service, then America will have 
>ignored the rights of the majority.  Just think of the man in the Navy who now 
>is forced to shower with a man who is homosexual.

    All this has been adequately addressed by other posters.  Perry, don't
you *ever* get tired of being flamebait?

>  Assuming that the homosexual lifestyle is normal, the men and women of this 
>country realize that we do not live in a nation that caters to special interests
>or alternative preferences.  We must protect the rights of the majority of citi-
>zens and hold what is morally right and just.  The  message is finally loud and
>clear.

    The only "loud and clear" message I'm getting is that you never tire of
going from newsgroup to newsgroup, posting your drivel, and then moving on.
Give us a break - either respond to some of the thoughtful things people
have posted in response to this blather, or go away.  Preferably the
latter.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jeff@Turing.ORG (Jeff R. Niford)
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Summary: General disgust
Keywords: idiot, wrong, bible
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: alt.politics.homosexuality
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:00:18 GMT

Can someone please take all the Bibles away from those who can't read
every word?

--jeff



Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Wording of Colorado Amenment #2
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:43:11 GMT

ogg@physics.carleton.ca writes:

>I probably missed it cos I only started looking at this newsgroup to find out
>what I could about Colorado's amendment #2, so...
>Does anyone have the precise wording of the amendment as it appeared on the
>ballot?
>post or e-mail.

Available in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado/amendment2.txt on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu
is:
oIt would amend Article 2 of the Colorado Constitution by the addition
of Section 30, which states: NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON
HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION. Neither the State of
Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its
agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation,
ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual
orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or
otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons
to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected
status or claim of discrimination. This Section of the Constitution
shall be in all respects self-executing.



-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (droopy)
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:11:45 GMT

v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:


>   I understand that homosexuals in today's society face widespread discrimina-
>tion and abuse, but instead of taking a hint, it seems to make the gay commun-
>ity want to be in limelight even more.  America does not wish to see gay pro-
>testors fighting for gay rights and preaching their platform to those who give
>them the time.  While physically assaulting a homosexual may be wrong, these 
>acts are only encouraged by the homosexuals themselves.  If they would take the
>time to realize that their way of living is wrong and more importantly that 
>society doesn't want to hear it falsely declared a lifestyle, they would realize
>the way to combat this discrimination is to adopt a normal kind of lifestyle and
>stop corrupting others.  
> See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13

Instead of treating gays with the basic human dignity they deserve,
some "Christians" choose to persecute and harass and subhumanize gays.
Most gays dont want to promote their lifestyle; they want to be left
alone. 

See  the New Testament. Jesus said this.
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BRI FARENELL				Hate is not a family value.
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU	Get involved (or shut up)
CLARKSON '95				
We already have term limit provisions in the Constitution, it's called voting.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:19:10 GMT

Van Martin (vanm@col.hp.com) wrote:
: Mr.  Booker, dying from AIDS contracted through his
: homosexual lifestyle, was aware, per the article, of ways to prevent
: AIDS (his aunt helped him research a report on AIDS and preventing its
: spread).  Why then would he ignore his own counsel and contract AIDS
: by continuing his known-dangerous lifestyle?  I am not judging Mr.
: Booker, I just don't understand the mentality that would continue in a
: deadly course, particularly when knowledge of the danger is there.
: 
:  Homosexuality is a physically destructive behavior.

Surely you're aware there is no relationship whatsoever between AIDS and
homosexuality, other than "in this country, this year, a higher percentage of
homosexuals have it"?  The destructive behavior is unprotected sex with an
infected partner; it matters not whether it is homosexual or heterosexual,
except in as much that *at this time*, the likelihood of your partner being
infected is higher (in the US) for homosexuals.

In most of the world, AIDS is not considered a homosexual disease.  It is pure
chance that it happened to initially spread among homosexuals in this country,
and it is entirely possible that in a few years it will even out.

*Any* unprotected sex is dangerous; as is "protected" sex, for that matter.
There is no way in the world you can make a moral judgement on someone's choice
to "continue in a deadly course".  We all do this every day, every time we take
such risks as getting into an automobile or having sex with someone of either
gender.  How petty to try to make a simple biological accident (higher AIDS
incidence among homosexuals in the US currently) into a moral issue.

: Amendment 2 keeps Coloradoans on equal footing in the Civil
: Rights arena.  No special rights or considerations are appropriate for
: a group whose BEHAVIOR sets them apart from the (vast) majority.

Great.  Have you read a single posting here?  No other group is specifically
prevented from ever achieving protected status - only gays - so it is
preposterous to say that Colorodoans are on equal footing.  Also, consider
Christians and married people, both of whom are protected for their BEHAVIOR.

: you ought to consider that I am right

I have, and I've concluded you're wrong.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
Amendment 2 Is Legalized Discrimination - Shame On You, Colorado
--
"Neither the State of Colorado ... nor any of its municipalities ... shall ...
 enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
 orientation ... shall ... be the basis of ... any ... claim of discrimination"
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc, co.politics only if you *live* here
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:13:23 GMT

Here we have another example of the "PC police" at work:

> = twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
>> = taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND)

>>A boycott is a very easy thing to talk about when it doesn't impact your
>>everyday lives, isn't it?

>Uh, dumbfuck.  It's a very hard thing to do if you live *in* Colorado.


>>   What should those of us who live here do? "Suffer for the cause?"

>Move, if you like.  Apologize for the sake of the state.


>>   Why don't you "boycott Colorado" people get of your moral high-horses and
>>face the facts: you are ALIENATING people like me who were (and in a sense
>>still are) loyal to this cause, but are fast becoming disenchanted by your
>>short-sighted tactics.

>Then I daresay you were never particularly "loyal" to begin with.
>Anyone who can be offended by the fight for equal protection under the
>law possibly upsetting their nice idyllic applecart is a couple screws
>short of a paintgun.

Someone makes a few perfectly reasonable points about why a boycott of Colorado
is not the best of ideas, and gets resoundingly flamed for it.  I'm not sure
which I find more nauseating, the fact that people are plastering this crap
all over the net to a zillion newsgroups, or the tone of moral self-
righteousness which pervades nearly 100% of the pro-"Boycott Colorado" posts.

When is co.politics going to resume being a (relatively) friendly place for
discussions involving people who actually *live* here?


Jim Rosinski
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: st902753@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: HOW DID AIDS START IN THE UNITED STATES? INFO ON MICHAELANGELO AND HOMOSEXUALITY
Reply-To: st902753@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:40:23 GMT

I just recently tried to post something in the bulletin but failed to do so 
because I haven't quite figured out how to use this damn program.  Anyway, 
what the article was suppose to be about is an inquiry on whether anyone out
there knows how HIV got started in the United and States and in particular,
why and how it started out in the gay community.  I would also like to know if
anyone out there has any information on Michaelangelo concerning his
homosexuality and his art work.  My friend is doing a paper on him and would
like to get some info on this.  Fellow subscribers, did you know that the pope
had a secret passage made for Michaelangelo so that they could have sex
together when they felt like it?  Look at one of the sculptures that
Michaelangelo did of the pope and you'll see how much of a queen the pope
really was.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
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Subject: ONE HOMOSEXUAL KILLED EVERY 5 DAYS IN RIO DE JANEIRO BRAZIL
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	RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (UPI) -- A study published Sunday said one
homosexual is killed every five days in Rio de Janeiro.
	At least 50 homosexuals were killed between January and September of
this year in the Brazilian coastal city, with the real figure probably
much higher due to the reluctance of families to report the full
circumstances of the deaths, said the Bay Gay Group in a report in the
daily O Globo newspaper.
	The group also said 1,200 homosexuals were killed throughout the
country between 1980 and 1991, with most of their bodies showing
evidence of a violent death.
	The Rio gay organization's vice president, Hildes Cunha, claimed
about 10 percent of crimes against homosexuals were given a serious
investigation by police.
	Cunha said the police only bothered with cases involving rich or
famous homosexuals, such as businessman Aparicio Basilio da Silva, whose
case was solved 10 days after he was found dead with 97 knife wounds.
	The group's founder, Paulo Cesar Fernandes, said in the O Globo
report that Brazilian police preferred to register the crimes as
robberies that resulted in deaths rather than murders.
	Observers agree the groups most at risk in Rio are transvestites and
homosexuals from abroad.
	The Bay Gay Group's study came from police records, interviews with
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:00:30 GMT

In article <Bxy6Hy.H6C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlajka@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Michael Lajka) writes:
>greco@elec.uq.oz.au (The Gereat White Hooter Hunter) writes:
>
>>I just do, alright.
>
>Is this that "greco" guy who was on earlier?
>
>Thanks for your insight.  The intelligence your post conveys in overwhelming.
>

The intelligence of his chosen name is most revealing as to his actual
ability to navigate the written word or any other task.  Of course what can
we expect of someone who is a classmate of 'quayle' the spelling champion.


Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rpg@raldo.com
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:05:41 GMT

>>v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:
>>> See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13
>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>What is this?  Is it some government document somewhere?  Is it a 
>>cartridge for Nintendo?  What does it have to do with real life?
>
>This is from the Bible.  I shall quote from NIV for you: "If a man lies
>with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is
>detestable.  They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own
>heads."
>
>I would quote King James, but the little Testament I have only has the
>New Testament, Psalms and Proverbs.
>
>Daniel
>-- 
>Daniel L'Hommedieu / Junior, CSC Depatment, NCSU / eagle@catt.ncsu.edu
>From: Rec.humor.funny:                             "Ich bin ein Adler"
>      My unique solution to two of the world's problems:
>      "Feed the Homeless to the Hungry"

Oh.  A bible--a book that some people base their religion upon.  Does
your quote come from the same bible that has that B.S. about
eating shellfish and wearing fabrics of mixed fibers and also some
pretty strong penalties for adultery?  I've heard that that same bible
calls for rejecting the early holiness code from the area that you mention.
There's also rumor that that bible which has somewhere between 5 and
10 references to what some people interpret as same sex activites
also has around 300 references to opposite sex activities.

Are all religions based on that book?  If so, how do they choose
which items actually apply and which do not?

It is interesting that people who use this bible in a certain
fashion are free to practice that religion.  However, many of those
same people want to deny that freedom to persons of other religions.
How does this work?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:17:38 GMT

	I personally voted against amendment 2 and now find this discussion
of boycotting interesting.  It does seem that one is already under way.  Last
week a well known gay writer cancelled his visit to Denver, in protest to
amendment 2.  He said he was torn between coming to Denver and voicing out
against the amendment or if a boycott would be more effective.
	In Boulder, where the majority of the population was against the 
amendment, stores are displaying signs declaring the store a 'Hate Free Zone.'
I believe that is a good choice for store owners to make as not everyone in
Colorado has hate.  I thought that the amendment would be voted down easily,
but was shocked to find out the next morning it had passed.  I thought
Colorado would be above passing an amendment based on fear and hate.
-- 
       --    O          The thrill is                   Eric J. Lorenzo
     ---   </\_      not just in winning,       lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: The use of the Bible to argue here
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:58:32 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov20.201315.27229@netcom.com> robj@netcom.com (Rob Jellinghaus) writes:

>The people who generally begin the Bible threads here, in my
>experience, are people who are seeking to use the Bible to justify
>their antipathy towards homosexuals and homsexuality.  They want to
>believe that the Lord has decreed that their hatred is holy.  Evidence
>to the contrary--whether it is anecdotal, scientific, psychological,
>or hermeneutic--is ignored.  Actual discussion and debate is the
>_last_ thing these bigots are interested in.

    Well put, and amply supported by various postings in this group.

>Recently someone on this newsgroup mentioned the "Pat Robertson Bible"
>--apparently a special edition of the Bible with certain awkward parts
>(chunks of Leviticus, parts of the New Testament) removed.  The parts
>which remain are those which support Robertson's hyperconservative
>agenda.  

    Amazing!  This is the first I've heard of this.  Talk about ego!
 
    Does anyone have any more info on the "PR" bible?  I'd love (in a
morbid kind of way) to have a look at it.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:11:52 GMT

In article <greco.722145078@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> greco@elec.uq.oz.au
(The Gereat White Hooter Hunter) writes:

>I just do, alright.


And for that reason, "Hooter Hunter," I'm damn glad you're there
and I'm here.

'Nuf said.

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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:11:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov20.000347.21162@col.hp.com> vanm@col.hp.com (Van Martin) writes:

    Homosexuality is a physically destructive behavior.

It is?  Why didn't someone tell me!  But that's strange, I've been in
a monogamous gay relationship for nearly seven years, and I couldn't
be feeling better.

'course, I do know some straight people who weren't in monogamous
relationships, and weren't careful about it, and they have AIDS.  In
fact, I just read that an awful lot of straight men ages 18 to 22 are
getting AIDS because of their lifestyle.

I just never understand why those heterosexuals won't face facts and
understand that their insistence on engaging in a dangerous
lifestyle (promiscuity without precautions) is spreading a dangerous
disease and killing people.

When will heterosexuals learn?

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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