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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:29:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <0ck2kfl@rpi.edu> nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.185813.22839@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>>
>> The real test of fathers'
>>(and grandfathers') "enlightenment" would be measuring how
>>readily they'd change diapers the old-fashioned way.
>>-- 
>
>Well, I've changed disposable, cloth (with pins and clips), and pull-up
>filled with all manner of messes.  I really don't see what the problem is.
>
>                                  Chris (father of Heather, 23mo)
>
>
>-- 
>------------------------------+------------------------------------------
>Chris Nelson                  |  Rens-se-LEER is a county.
>Internet: nelsonc@cs.rpi.edu  |  RENS-se-ler is a city. 
>CompuServe: 70441,3321        |  R-P-I is a school in Troy!

I'll second that. We use cloth diapers and bio-bottoms and currently have
two boys in them.  I change my share, though I must confess that, while
I certainly support the quest for stall-equity in women's restrooms I have
never thought to lobby for changing tables in men's rooms.  With this idea
of public changing areas in malls, it looks like the jig will soon be up.

Gerry Palo, (father of Caitlin 7, David 3, Nathan 1.5)

(73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: more on tags
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:48:00 GMT

Hi everyone! Recently there was a thread on children preferring
tags on toys. I responded via e-mail to the original poster, but
my son has now come up with a new variation on his tag fetish
that I thought was cute. We have the Fisher-Price kitchen, which came
with a striped 'towel', which happens to have a tag (bonus time!,
a *cloth*, with a *tag*). What he is doing now, is putting the
'wash cloth' (his name for it) in a container, with the tag sticking
out the top, and then he fingers the tag as he sucks his thumb.
So far, the receptacles have included an empty metal spice box,
a toy stew pot, and my favorite, a *magical teapot* (toy coffee
pot). Last night, I had to go on a 'wash cloth' search all over
the house before he would go to bed - I am thinking of attaching
one of those clap activated beepers to the cloth! 8-)
                                    Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun)
Subject: Re: Nursing Problem
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:46:10 GMT

In <27877@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:


>Jordan is almost 5 months old and we've developed a nursing problem
>that I don't know what to do about.  (Jordan is exclusively on
>breastmilk; we haven't started solids yet, and I pump so he gets
>mom-milk at daycare)

>Several times, he has started nursing, and when I didn't get an
>immediate letdown, started screaming (which of course was not
>conducive to a letdown).  Twice now my husband has given him a bottle
>since we couldn't calm him.

(deleted)

>He had been nursing almost every 2 hours (2.5-3 if he napped).  Well,
>Tuesday, he hardly nursed at all.  Everytime I put him to the breast,
>he pulled away screaming.

(deleted)

The jury is definitely still out on this one but...
Casey sometimes also does this (he's also 5 mos.)  Liz' theory is that
he is experiencing teething pain although there are no real signs of
teeth yet.  Nevertheless, we do seem to be within the 'tooth zone'.
Remember that it can take quite a bit of concerted sucking (30 secs?)
to get a good letdown.  If he's having teething pain, that may be too
long to wait.  At least that's our current theory.  Liz still nurses
him regularly although we have supplemented his diet with formula 
and solids. 

>Okay--so what do I do?  I'm not ready to stop nursing him, and it's
>not like he could be weaning himself--he doesn't have anything to wean
>_to_ yet.  

May he doesn't have anything to wean to, but I *think* some babies just
reach a point where they give up on the bottle.  Boredom, maybe?  
With Casey, sometimes when he's bottle feeding, he's also busy twisting
all around looking at everything and giggling.  I can keep up with him
because the bottle isn't attached to anything. If he were breast feeding
during those times, Liz would be getting very frustrated because he won't
stay latched onto the breast.

(deleted)

>--
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

Good luck!
-Paul
grun@intellistor.com
-- 

goes to show, you don't ever know...
grun@intellistor.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpb@troy.cc.bellcore.com (bunz,marcus p)
Subject: Re: Orajel
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.044046.1854@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> In article <4991@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
> >In article <Bz46u0.Azx@unx.sas.com>, sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
> >|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
> >|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
> >|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
> >|> have a scotch!
> >
> >It used to be commonly thought that a using alcohol to quite a cranky
> >child was a good thing.  Recent studies on alcoholism have shown that
> >exposure to alcohol at an early age can "trigger" a tendency toward
> >alcoholism in those people predisposed to it.  This, from the AA (a
> >friend, actually).
> >
> >How do I know?  I once gave Patrick about 1 teaspoon of Chevis in his
> >morning bottle since he decided that morning was 4am (and we both had
> >the flu).  When I shared this with an alcoholic associate, they shared
> >this tidbit with me.
> >
> I think we are talking about 2 different things. The idea of using alcohol
> while teething means putting a small drop on the gums to numb it, not to
> zonk them out!
> 
> Most of the Pediatricians where my mom  (she is a nurse Practitioner) used to 
> work favored alcohol over orajel (and that type of thing), but rarely mentioned
> it to their patients, because of the negative image of alcohol. Of course, as
> several posters have pointed out, they dont think alcohol (even as much as a
> drop) can be good for babies. That may or may not be true, but do people really
> think that oragel isnt also full of things that may not be good for a young 
> child? The Doctors my mom worked with felt that alcohol was less toxic then
> the anesthetic in oragel. 
> 
> I occasionally used vanilla extract on Jeffreys gums. It would help for a
			^
Typically, vanilla extract is 35% alcohol!  80 proof Scotch is 40%
alcohol.  By my book, there isn't much difference!  Don't get me wrong,
I don't think a drop or two of either will cause a major problem, just
be aware of what you are talking about.  BTW, I suspect that the couple
drops of scotch is better than a teaspoon of tylenol with codine 
(which my kids referred to as knock out drops when they had BAD
ear infections).
> short period of time, enough to get him distracted. But, I think most of the
> pain he felt was not that local. I think his entire jaw ached. For that I 
> would give Tylenol, but tried to use it sparingly. It too has side effects.
> None of these solutions are without their costs.
> 
> Laura Floom
Like you said, everything has its trade offs.  The slight liver function 
imparment due to the Tylenol is preferable to child and parent falling
down a flight of stairs because the parent is soo exhausted they cann't
manage one more flight of steps.

Marc
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: palm@admin.kth.se (Christer Palm)
Subject: Re: obscene phone calls they make (7 months)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:00:07 GMT

In article <7016@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J) writes:
>In article <7DEC199214580661@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>>
>>
>>Anyone in Britain have trouble with 999? It seems to me that little fingers 
>>are more apt to dial recurring numbers...
>>
>Too right they are.  Every one of my four has managed to call the Emergency
>services at some time in their little lives.  Several times in the case of
>my little touchetout who is now seven and _still_ needs to touch everything
>he sees.
>

Excellent choice of Emergency number :-) 

/Christer
-- 
"Destiny makes relatives, selection makes friends."
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cookie making worries
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:33:05 GMT
	<GeraldR.185.0@sunfish.ratsys.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I had a question - someone mentioned using frozen egg preparations?

Does freezing the egg kill the salmonella (spelling?). If so, why not
scramble the eggs and then freeze them beforehand?
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:23:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nope

In article <gdavis.724534032@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
...
>   Paul, I wonder who you would presume has competency in  this area.
>If you expect urologists not to defend the practice,forget it;they make
>a good fee for doing them and secondly the only foreskins they usually
>see are the ones that "don't work". I hardly think they are the speciality
>to ask. Dr. Dean Edell is paid quite handsomely,I understand,to review and
>interpret medical literature. He certainly would be the man I would trust
>in the area.

On the other hand, some of his shows are absolutely wild: one, in
particular the caller inquires about reversing a circumcision.
In the course of the discussion, we find out that the caller no
longer wishes to be circumcised.  Furthermore, we hear that he
did it himself, when he was fourteen, because kids laughed at him
in the locker room.  Now, he's 21, and thinks that was kinda
dumb, and besides which, he did it crookedly.


BTW, I'm told that circumcision reversals were performed by the
Greeks in and around 170 BC.  Seems in certain countries, it was
no longer legal to perform circumcisions, and some men felt they
could get along better if they hid the evidence.

Along about this time, in conjunction with outlawing such rites,
one Antiochus desecrated a temple, and caused a serious war, at
the end of which it was found that there was only one day's worth
of holy oil with which to illumine the temple.  But somehow, the
oil lasted the eight days necessary to prepare and consecrate a
new supply.

Many of us in this newsgroup and around the world will begin
commemorating this event later this week.  Not exactly the same
thing as a birthday party, I would say.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Evenflo phone #
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:45:51 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <Bz2B4G.9xK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michelle Butler) writes:
 > I am very interested in the Evenflo Ultara car seat, but no one
 > around here sells the "5 point" seat restraint.  The bar type is
 > sold here in this area, but I can't find any other types....  Can
 > someone give me a phone number where I can reach them and inquire
 > about their 5 point harness?

We ordered ours by phone from the New Hampshire Buyers' Service.  I
don't have their number, but I remember that I got it by dialing
1-800-555-1212.  The service was very good... they took payment by
AmEx over the phone, and the seat arrived two days later by UPS.

--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nebulai@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeannette Laughlin)
Subject: Re: Chocolate Allergy
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:34:32 GMT

bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:

>You can make some very nice treats out of carob. That's what
>we've done for Easter/Christmas stockings, etc. the last couple
>of years. I'll post a recipe on request.

My father, grandmother and myself are both allergic to chocolate.  My
gradnmother is the worst, she use to be the head cook in the school and
would break out from it if any chocolate would touch her skin.  She would
try to get someone else to make chocolate cakes and such.

There is a company that does make Carob candy for easter and Christmas, so 
children can still get the carob easter bunnies and the various other
traditional other holiday candy but it being made out of carob instead of
chocolate.  I have found, that I am also allergic to carob, but the carob
does not bother me as bad as the chocolate.

							Jeannette
From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Subject: Re: Seeking a decent baby carrier
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:53:26 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu

In article <1992Dec14.200736.11524@tsoft.sf-bay.org>, casper@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Johanne Kaminski) writes:
>In article <Byr3x3.4L0@deshaw.com> siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel) writes:

>Buy a sling type carrier!!!


Another brand name for a sling carrier is the Over the Shoulder Baby Holder. 
My wife, when tired of carrying the baby all day, calls it the Over the
Shoulder Boulder Holder.  It's especially nice for nursing on the run.  After
Rachel got too big to be enveloped in it, it converts easily into a seat-type
carrier a la Sara's Ride.]

The first sling carrier she used was a cheap scarf from Woolworth's.

Daniel Kim
KIM@FLOVAX.LANL.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: ultrasound
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:31:23 GMT

I understand that having an ultrasound done at around 20 weeks is almost
"standard of care". That's still 7 weeks away, but my husband and I will
have to make the decision about whether to have one or not. I would like
some input. 

Here's the background:
a. The midwives consider it up to the parents unless there is some special
concern.

b. I have to go to the hospital to have it done, as the midwives don't do it
and don't have the equipment in their practice.

c. I am under 30 and so far have a low-risk pregnancy in every way.

d. No twins or birth defects in either of our families.

e. I am going under the assumption that my baby is whole and healthy and
do not want to have the mindset that something is wrong with this pregnancy
unless tests (such as ultrasound) prove it otherwise.

f. I am absolutely certain of the date (within 1 day either way) that my
baby was conceived, so I don't need confirmation of age of fetus.

g. I am not sure, but I think that it would not be right for me to have
insurance pay for a procedure just for my enjoyment (i.e. I want to "see"
my baby; I'm a techie so I'll find the whole thing interesting; I need
the psychological proof that I'm really pregnant, etc.)


I think I'm leaning towards not having an ultrasound. Are there things that I
should consider outside of my points above? I haven't talked this through with
my husband yet. We recently decided not to have the AFP screening done, but
an ultrasound is different. He was pretty thrilled just to hear the heartbeat
at our first appointment a few weeks ago. I was so excited I laughed. It was
so unbelieveable in a way. It's hard to give up something so interesting as
an ultrasound.

So, was an ultrsound really so great? What are the main reasons OBs or 
midwives prescribe them? Is there really any NEED for one in a normal, low-risk
pregnancy?

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:57:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Crawling and Reading (Was AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

About 4 years ago, I was advised by my pediatrician not to buy a
walker for my child.  In particular, he had noted research of a link 
between not spending enough time crawling and learning disabilities.  He
told me of a study in which kids with particular learning disabilities
received successful "crawling therapy", ie. some type of physical
activity helped them overcome some learning disability (I believe the
disability was indeed learning to read).  I got the idea that my
my pediatrician wasn't necessarily convinced of the link, but that
there definitely were studies, and enough uncertainty as to take
precautions and not use walkers.  But from my amateur and non-medical
standpoint, I don't think this would apply to kids who by nature do
not feel driven to crawl.  It seems more the case where kids are
parked in walkers and don't get adequate opportunity to crawl.  (Of
course, I doubt many, if any, misc.kids parents park their kids in
walkers all day.)

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jsk@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Janet Kirwan)
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt (was Re: Opening Children's Gifts at Parties)
Organization: Boeing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:50:28 GMT


This is great fun!  We do this every year at our family Christmas
party and also for our family picnic in July.  We generally have 2 different
'hunts' going at the same time.  For the younger children (that cannot read
yet,) we place 'clues' around the house that are picture oriented.  For
example, the first clue is placed in the stocking and it may be a picture
of a bed with an arrow pointing under it.  The kids run to the bed and look
underneath it to find another clue - perhaps a picture of a TV with an arrow
pointing behind it.  And so on and so on.....  The kids *love* it.  The hunt
itself is the most fun and finding the 'treasure' at the end seems to be
almost anticlimactic.  For the older children, the clues are more difficult -
sometimes in the form of a riddle or rhyme.  (My husband likes to come up
with these......I always know when he's come up with a good one by the 
dastardly giggle that accompanies it.)  Anyway, the prep time isn't *too*
bad and it keeps the kids out of the parent's hair for a long time.  Our
'treasure' is a box full of small toys, chocolate 'gold' coins, and 
various and sundry fun stuff.

At our house, the treasure hunt starts after dinner.  The kids can barely
stand the wait.  It so much fun to see them 'chomping at the bit'!

Janet
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:04:42 GMT
	<1g7pppINNrhe@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
	<1992Dec10.163345.10177@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Dec10.163345.10177@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

   By 7-8 months, Jeffrey was also eating more finger foods and less baby food.
   By 9.5 months he was almost completely self feeding. The ground up baby food
   just doesnt seem necessary for a very long period of time. Finger food is
   much more fun and much easier.

Ha ha. Each kid is different. Katherine always self fed - and we'd
feed her tiny chunks of cut up food. We were pretty conservative about
introducing foods until she was almost 1 - we suspected a milk
sensitivity and had other allergies in my family. So she was primarily
breastfed, and ate for 'fun', in our opinions.

There are three reasons why I've been feeding Robin mush. The first is
that he has some periods when breastfeeding during the day has been
difficult - then we'd breastfeed extra times at night. (Not my idea of
a good time :-)). So, I started shoveling food into him, and he
started sleeping more. His fine motor coordination has been slower to
come around than his sister's - he was about 8 months old before he
got good at picking up a Cheerio, and last night (9.5 mo) was the
first time he's demonstrated that he *consistantly* pick up food
smaller than a Cheerio and put it into his mouth. And his self-feeding
is a slow process, not good if he needs to really *eat*. And the other
day I found out that he wants his food soft and not sticky or chewy,
so he can chow it down as fast as I can shovel it in. He kept
complaining, so I thought he was objecting to the food -- but he
hadn't eaten much. I tried to pop a couple more bites in, and
discovered that he wanted another spoon of food in his mouth as soon
as he'd swallowed!

So, how much, or if, you need a baby food grinder really depends on
your baby. I also knew one child who would gag, even at the age of
about 1, if anything chunky got into the back of her throat. She did
eventually outgrow it - believe me, it was frustrating for her mom. We
use the Happy Baby grinder - and it is convenient when we go out -- if
only we'd always remember to bring it. I think each child takes part
of mom's brain with him/her when they're born....



-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Barney videotapes
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:53:30 GMT

Just wanted to warn people, that Barney doesn't always look or sound
the same on the videotapes as on TV.  We were watching the one about
the beach. "A day at the beach"...or some such name, and his voice
was pretty different and he was brownish instead of purple....and no spots.
Lea was not fooled.

diana
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Orajel
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:42:01 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:

|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
|> have a scotch!

Even if my pediatrician suggested that, I wouldn't do it.  I don't
like the idea of giving an infant alcohol like that--especially as
concentrated of alcohol as Scotch or vodka!

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids