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From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SOCIETAL PRESSURE AND INHIBITIONS IN PEOPLE
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48271
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

The ongoing discussions on eve-teasing prompted me to think on a
related issue in Tamil Nadu. I do agree that eve-teasers are a
bunch of cowards who cannot look at any woman right in her eyes,
let alone have the courage to talk to one without any inhibitions. 

I have felt bad about the excessive segretation between members of
the opposite sex in Tamil Nadu. Right from childhood our people are
brought up with too much of consciousness about sexual differences.
Girls are discouraged not to talk to boys and vice versa. Even if
someone did in a normal fashion, she is mistaken as "a kind of a
girl" (anthap poNNu oru mAthiri). I feel that most adoloscent boys
and young men would fall in love with any woman they speak to for
the first time.  I have seen often a sense of guilty feeling among
my peers in approaching women even for trivial matters. People
don't feel relaxed in dealing with members of the opposite sex in
day to day activities.  If a man and a woman simply talk to each
other, stories will be framed about them and eye brows will go up
right away. So even those girls who are normal and would like to
deal with men as fellow human beings have to play the role of the
traditional female. Men and women feel uneasy sitting next to each
other in buses or trains. People become tense in such situations. 

This kind of an atmosphere does not contribute to a healthy mental
growth and outlook. Boys and girls must be brought up with free
mindedness towards each other right from the beginning. Then
definitely when they grow up, men would consider women as human
beings. Teachers should tell boys and girls that they don't have to
fall in love or feel tense in order to just talk to each other.
People can always be friends. If that outlook developes, people
would get less biased and prejudiced. Then probably there would be
no need for a separate women's seats in buses. Societal pressure on
men and women is too much in Tamil Nadu. There is nothing amoral in
talking or moving with members of the opposite sex like normal
human beings. Every man and woman don't have to be married or
engaged to each other in order to move without inhibitions. 
I am not advocating nudist colonies in Tamil Nadu now. I do feel
that too much inhibitions in people can warp them into being
perverts.

Partha sarathy
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: stop your lousy crosspostings
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:55:44 GMT


About cross-posting of SCTamil article in SCIndia, someone writes:

> Would you stop crossposting all ravings to sci? You have your group....
> The group was formed with the purpose of restricting stuff which of
> interest to a limited class people. 

This reader's request makes sense.  However, one should consider the
fact that not all USENET sites  receive SCTamil.  For the benefit of
the readers of Tamil stuff, SCIndia may be used to carry those posts.
After all Tamil is an Indian language, ain't it?

SCTamil is also in  the receiving end sometimes.  Current hot topics
in SCTamil are, Indo-China issue and Mustafa.

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 09
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: directory of tamil students
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:07:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.170550.15832@udel.edu> chitoor@dori.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor) writes:
>In article <1ipk0vINNbis@aludra.usc.edu> chviswan@aludra.usc.edu (Chandrasekar Viswanathan) writes:
>>Hi,
>>  I think it would be useful if we create a sort of directory having the names,
>>e-mail,and such information of the tamil students who read this newsgroup.
>>You could send your names,e-mail and any info you want to include, to me, by 
>>e-mail and I could collect them and post them in soc.culture.tamil.This would 
>>help us in getting a lot of new friends throughout the world.
>>We could even coin a name similar to pen friends.Any suggestions?(maybe 
>>net friends)
>>My e-mail address is cviswana@aludra.usc.edu
>>
>>Chandrasekar Viswanathan
>>P.S. I am asking for tamil students only because if I ask for Indian students,
>
>It is a good Idea. There may be a lot of `invisible' tamil students
>(who read, but do not post to the net) and thus it may not be practical for
>a single person to collect all the addresses. May be we can divide the US 
>(world?) into regions and assign a single volunteer for each region.
>    This way we can hope to get results pretty fast.


        I think the idea of Chandrasekar Viswanathan is very good.
        alt.culture.kerala had already done this; quite a detailed
        info such as age, marital status, educational background, 
        literary and other interests etc.. It might be a good idea
        to look up ack's format and we can adopt or modify to
        suit our needs. Its basically an excellent idea but I think
        a clear FORMAT has to be specified for easy sorting and
        processing. I believe it will be quite practical if one 
        properly designs the format of the info collection.  

        - Selva
        
>
>-Krishna.
>Opinions are mine.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:5041 soc.culture.indian:43601
From: cvenkate@luke.wsu.edu (Chandramouli Venkatesh - CS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Research in India-is the problem in the attitude?
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan11.021000.13723
Organization: Washington State University!
Originator: cvenkate@luke.eecs.wsu.edu


Hi,
Before starting the article _ please read this with an objective view
and don't let ur passions run high! I am not finding fault with any 
particular religious or ethnic  or whatever group of people!!

I was just wondering if it is the attitude of Indians that doesn't
encourage research there. Indian culture teaches u to revere age
which subconsciously tends to create a feeling that whatever is
old is good and whatever is new is bad (don't deny it!).For most
people "andha kaalam" always seems better than "indha kaalam"[Tamil:
"those days" always seems better than "these days"]. But isn't
research something that should produce results better than that
of yesterday? Unless there is an attitude to look forward to a
tommorow where things would change for the better how is it possible
to produce fruitful results? Many Indians are very good at boasting
about the past.  Haven't u heard people say "Oh! atom bomb was
described in such and such epic" or "an aeroplane was explained
in such and such literary piece"...May be true that India had
seen those things then itself, I am not questioning their validity
etc. But what is the current condition? I am not trying to say
that we should discard our glorious heritage, no, definitely not!!
There are several beautiful aspects to our heritage which we
should definitely not give up! I am just saying that we shouldn't
take such a hard stand! Don't u see that the same people when they
come over here (US) they are doing very well? Is it something
to do with the attitude here? 

Are there any psychology majors around reading this? Your more
systematic approach to this issue are most welcome ( I am not
a psychology major but I have done some casual reading .)Any
body else's constructive comments most welcome!!

CV
From: sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re:Some Tamil songs and RAga identifications
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:39:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hey,
	I just recalled a few more songs and rAgams.

Chinnakkannan azhaikkirAn, rAdhai poongothai - Reethi gowlai - Kavikkuyil
Thalaiyaikkuniyum thAmaraiye - Reethi gowlai - (????Can anyone tell me
					       which one?????)

Petra thandhai thAi irundhAl ulagaththil unakkindha.....
		   - ShanmukhaPriyA - ???????
Pazham nee appa, gnana pazham nee appA .. ShanmukhaPriyA - ThiruvilayAdal
I love you, ......... - KaraharaPriyA - Tik  Tik Tik
Mazhai kAlamum panikkAlamum sugamAnavai .... - Hamsadhwani - (??????)
			sung by VAni JayarAm and Jayachandran

YAr tharuvAr indha ariyAsanam....- AttAna - MahAkavi KAlidhas
AdAdha manamum undo, nadai alangAramum ...- lathAngi - MannAdhi mannan

Also can anyone post the rAgam of the foll.song.
Adho mega oorvalam, adho minnal thoranam ange... - EeramAna rojAve -???
Actually it uses the same swarams as mohanam
sa ri ga pa dha sa except that the dha is d1 and not d2 as in mohanam.

Thanks
Murali Seethamaman
sl9z5@cc.usu.edu
Utah State Uty

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: 13011_1371@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: test
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:23:39 GMT

Hi to all,

This is my first attempt to post a message into this news group.
Hope it goes through okay
From: bkannan@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Response to Srinivasan' e-mail; OTHERS may hit 'n' now
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:44:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Since Mr Srinivasan's 'personal' e-mail was anything but that
[cold & impersonal to be precise],I am replying to his mail here.
Folks, this is more in the nature of a counterattack [for his
'crucification without trial' of my character], so please skip 
this one if you are looking for a serious discussion. 

To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)


   Thanks for accusing me of fuelling hatred towards the Brahmin
   community with my posts. But, let me come to that later.

   First things first: You wrote in your mail that you have never
   lived in Madras nor witnessed any eve-teasing. It is high time
   u devoted *some* time reading and digesting material in posts
   that are not your own. See statements underlined. 

*************************************************************************
From ua1ix!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms.wvnet.edu!un025720 Wed Jan 06 13:13:23 1993
Article: 4261 of soc.culture.tamil
From: fca00@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: TEST
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:33:10 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


TESTING 1 2 3 .................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: mudal vanakkam
Reply-To: snreee@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:51:36 GMT

I am sending this trial message for the first time to see what happens
Nalam Peruga vendum 
anbudan
Ramanan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: budaraju@cae.wisc.edu (Srinivas Budaraju)
Subject: Re: Bombay Riots...
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:10:29 CST

In article <1is9tpINNrk5@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>Tamil community in Bombay (that must explain Matunga and Chembur). I thought
>that the Shiv Sena had given up its anti-South animus some time back. But the
>police are blaming them for it. Jayalalitha has appealed to Naik to protect the
>"small Tamil community" in "sundar Mumbai, marathi Mumbai." "Small?" I
>thought that Bombay had more Tamils than Madras. Expect some incidents of 

I have a question for those that cry hoarse about minority appeasement.
If Tamils in Bombay are given protection would that be appeasing a 
minority? Hell, it could perhaps be discriminatory toward the majority
community of Bombay if these minorities are given protection.
Please advise, this pseudo-psecularist don't know the answer.

>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

-Srinivas					budaraju@cae.wisc.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:5035 alt.culture.tamil:1302
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: "...kt"   --- mystries of the unexplained
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:17:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <C0qyDn.2sx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes...
>>	his supremacy from strength point of view only.
>>
>I think you have got to do some serious reading of the Vedas.  For starters
>I suggest the translation by Griffith.  The popular translation by Wendy
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>O'Flaherty (Penguin) also has a hymn on Horse sacrifice page 89-92.

	Oh really. Do I have to go outside to learn Vedas? No wonder
	your concepts are screwed up.

> 
>You like to re-interpret the Vedas completely differently.  This was attempted
>by Sri Aurobindo (Secret of the Vedas), but in the opinion of many this
>was far fetched.  The fact that the Vedic sacrifices involved the spilling
>of human and animal blood is well-known.  Sundara Pandian once posted 
>contents of Sama Veda and more than 80% of the songs mentions blood letting
>as part of the Vedic Sacrifice.

	These 'many' outside and 'many' inside preferred to get Vedic
	knowledge from outside. Sri Aurobindo was an independent thinker
	which many including Britainica have confessed. The fact is that
	these 'many' could not digest the truthful writings of Sri
	Aurobindo. One pecularity of 'truth' is that not 'many' people
	can easily digest it.

	Can you quote a passage of Vedas please which spills blood in
	the sacrificial fire?
> 
> 
>"The revealed mode (smriti, ie the Vedas) is like the obvious; since it
>is connected with impurity, decay and excess.  A method contrary to both
>is preferable --consisting in discriminative knowledge of the Manifested
>(vyakta), the Unmanifested (avyakta) and the Knowing sprit (purusha).
> 
>Samkhya Karika, Tattwa Kaumudi (verse 2 )
> 

	But the revealed knowledge did not come through 'surface'
	consciousness. It was revealed to the yogin in a state of
	supra-mental consciousness (meditation). Such knowledge cannot 
	be impure. The impurity lies in the understanding of that 
	knowledge within the bounds of 'surface' consciousness.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mohang@netcom.com (Mohan Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Lack of sensitivity/maturity/understanding
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:21:04 GMT

While reading postings on this newsgroup of ours, I find that a lot of
us either dont understand or maybe raised downright insensitive. First
let me explain that humorous verses calling other nationalities as pigs
(and I have explained this to the person concerned thro e-mail) is just
not the right thing to do. Something else that I realised about our 
educational background, is that a lot of us are not as well rounded in
history, as we would in technical disciplines that we are experts at.
Thanks to government textbooks, all we get is dry rendering of facts.
A lot of us need to supplement our understanding of historical facts,
and the events that influenced them either by reading or by listening
to thoose who have done so. It becomes very difficult to make sense
and separate off the cuff postings from factual ones in such a situation.
To those of you who use the word ARYAN with things like SUPERIOR CULTURE
sitting next to it, you have to constantly remember that such language
has come to mean something horrible since the middle of this century.
Frivolous thoughts like this and gross misinformation fed by and exploited
by demagogues, lead to the eventual extermination of 6 million jews in
europe. As I see events unfold in India, arguments over the net, local
and Indian newspapers etc, I shiver. Well organized bodies operate like
a well oiled machine. The movement is already at the grassroots. They
even have political power within their grasp. No section of society
has been spared. The masses and the intelegenstia have started beleiving
the lies of the ones that brought the mosque down. This is no time for
hate of any sort.
                        -Mohan G


has been  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bombay Riots...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:05:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1993Jan11.131030.10353@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, budaraju@cae.wisc.edu (Srinivas Budaraju) writes:
|> In article <1is9tpINNrk5@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
|> 
|> >Tamil community in Bombay (that must explain Matunga and Chembur). I thought
|> >that the Shiv Sena had given up its anti-South animus some time back. But the
|> >police are blaming them for it. Jayalalitha has appealed to Naik to protect the
|> >"small Tamil community" in "sundar Mumbai, marathi Mumbai." "Small?" I
|> >thought that Bombay had more Tamils than Madras. Expect some incidents of 
|> 
|> I have a question for those that cry hoarse about minority appeasement.
|> If Tamils in Bombay are given protection would that be appeasing a 
|> minority? Hell, it could perhaps be discriminatory toward the majority
|> community of Bombay if these minorities are given protection.
 

Everyone is entitled to "EQUAL AND UNIFORM" protection under the law. Not to
protect a minority while protecting the Majority automatically violates that
canon. So, if ONLY the Tamils were being protected and the majority was NOT,
or if ONLY the majority was being protected and NOT the minority, that would
be discrimination. The argument made for a Uniform Civil Code, as well as
w.r.t. allegations of Govt.-partiality (true or not) towards minorities in 
India hinges on the fact that those are EXTRA protections/privileges that the
majority is not even entitled to that are being extended to minorities while
claiming to be secular (i.e. religion-blind) at the same time. Hence the 
allegations of pseudo-secularism, and of unequal treatment under the law.

Got it?

(you can argue for hours on end as to whether it makes any sense for a Hindu
to worry about the fact that a Muslim can marry 4 times or whatever, but that
is beside the point)

|> Please advise, this pseudo-psecularist don't know the answer.

If this p-s doesn't know the answer to this, I think that that is the least of
his problems.

|> -Srinivas					budaraju@cae.wisc.edu

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Thiruppaavai Verse 28
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:10:21 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of 
Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).

Regards,
Aravind.

===================================================================

\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 28. raagam: kaambOdhi
\beginbox
kaRavaigaL pin senRu kaanan sErndhu uNbOm
aRivu onRum illaadha aay(k) kulaththu undhannai(p)
piRavi peRundhanai(p) puNNiyam naam udaiyOm
kuRai onRum illaadha gOvindhaa undhannOdu
uRavEl namakku ingu ozhikka ozhiyaadhu
aRiyaadha piLLaigaLOm anbinaal undhannai
siRu pEr azhaiththanamum seeRi aruLaadhE
iRaivaa nee thaaraay paRaiyElOr embaavaay
\endbox

\c \J
Following (pin senRu) the cows (kaRavai), after reaching (sErndhu) the forest
(kaanan), we will eat (uNbOm). We, of the cowherd community (aay kulam)
without (illaadha) any (onRum) enlightenment (aRivu); what good deeds
(puNNiyam) do we (naam) claim to our credit (udaiyOm) for having (peRundhanai)
you (undhannai) born (piRavi) in our community? If we have no relation to you
(uRavEl), we (namakku) will not beable (ozhiyaadhu) to bear (ozhikka) it here
(ingu). We, the innocent (aRiyaadha) children (piLLai) call (azhai) you
(unnai) using your short (siRu) names (pEr) out of affection (anbinaal).
Please do not be angry (seeRi aruLaadhE). Oh Lord (iRaivaa)! Please grant us
(thaaraay) our wishes (paRai).
\j
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: VGP Video Vision Tamil Movies
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:31:36 GMT

AnbargaLE!

Over the last few years I have watched sevral Tamil movies. Most
of these were released on video by (a) Pyramid Videos, (b) VGP
Video Vision or (c) ESQUIRE videos. Of course, there were a liberal
sprinkling of pirated stuff. I have had a consistent problem
with VGP: All their movies are abruptly and cruelly edited,
leaving out several lovely songs, comedy sequences etc. Here
are some examples:

In Uthama Puthiran, the classy song "Yaaradi nee mOhini" is
edited out.

In Saraswathi sabatham, the climax is practically cut out

In Veera Paandiya Kattbomman, sevral songs are badly truncated.

In kappalOttiya Thamizhan, the songs "Kaatru Veliyidai
KaNNammaa", "Odi viLayaadu paappaa", the original "endru
thaNiyum indha sudhanthira thaagam" and possibly some oher
songs are simply not there in the video. Two other songs,
"nenjil uram indri" and "veLLip panimalayil" have been
truncated to a couple of lines.

The only common factor I have found is that all VGP movies
last no more than 2 hours. It almost seems that some clown
in the VGP organization arbitrarily decided that Tamil
movie viewers "want" no more than 2 hours. Compare and
contrast this to American movie videos that are "unabridged
full length originals". Several movies like
Ten Commandments, Benhur etc are even released on 2 video tapes
to give the customer "full value" for the money.

I believe VGP is short changing the customer and would like to see
that change. I have not had such problems with Pyramid and ESQUIRE
(again based on other movies that I have seen in India and then the
video tapes released by these two firms).

I wonder whether any of you have observed this problem/share my views.
I plan to write to VGP in the near future.

Regards.

- ganesh
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: December minnal varigaL results
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:32:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48333
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR



Sorry for the delay. Thanx to Sivabalanarayan, here are the results
of the Decembet '92 minnal varigaL contest result.

 There is a tie for the first spot:

MINNAL VARIGAL - 45 AND 29

        "unniru kaN pattu puN patta neNYchaththil un

         pattu kai pada paadukiREn ! "


        From "pOn ezhil puthadhu..."

         "pon vandonRu malarendRu muhathOdu mOdha, - naan
          vaLai konda kaiyaale medhuvaaga mooda ! - en
          karung koondhal kalaindhOdi mEhangalaaga, - naan
          payandhOdi vandhEn, unnidam uNmai koora !!"


          From "naan malarOdu thaniyaaga..."


Third :
MINNAL VARIGAL 52

       "sendhaNalil oLi eduththu,
        sandhanaththil kuLir koduththu,
        pon thagattil vaarththu vaiththa, peNNudalai ennavenbEn !!"


        From "Nilavu oru peNNaagi, ulavugindra azhagO"

WINNERS OF THE DECEMBER CONTEST:

1. & 2. - V.R. KUMAR AND RAJ
3.      - S. PERIYASAMY

No voter had all the three winning varigaLs in his list.


Srikanth Meenakshisundaram
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