HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: David McKay <dinosaur@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Computer for sale!
Reply-To: David McKay <dinosaur@zooid.guild.org>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:45:17 GMT

  Amiga 500 Package For Sale
  --------------------------

  System includes....
 
  Amiga 500 Computer (1/2 meg memory, internal 3 1/2" drive, mouse)
  1/2 meg of additional memory (brings total to 1 meg)
  1   meg of additional memory (brings total to 2 megs)
  External 3 1/2" Drive
  1084S Colour Monitor (with stereo speakers)
  Perfect Sound stereo audio digitizer
  Hundreds of disks full of software
  Books (on AmigaDOS, C programming on the Amiga, Amiga hardware manuals)
  Amiga Magazines
  Wico joystick
 
  Asking $600...will sell 1 meg upgrade separately

  Call (416) 475-5141 and ask for Dave if interested.

  Note: Please call soon as I will be leaving for school on
        the 6th of September.
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Car for sale
Keywords: Hyundai Pony
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:56:59 GMT


1978 Hyundai Pony CX for sale

Grey with 1.6L engine and 5-speed transmission.

Sunroof and 4-speaker AM/FM cassette stereo.

Just over 135,000 km with full maintenance record.

BEING SOLD CERTIFIED.  Asking $1100 or best offer.

Will deliver to your location within Metro Toronto,
Markham, Pickering, Ajax, or Whitby.  Other places
negociable.

Call 979-5000 ext 7091 days, ask for Cal.
Or call 287-9396 evenings.

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: ed@scorpiocmc.ca (Ed Antosz)
Subject: WANTED: BASS AMP CHEAP
Reply-To: antosz@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:48:42 GMT

THe intro says it all.  I'm looking for a decent bass amp, mostly for practice
purposes at a low, low price.
E- mail here or call 613 531-0319 and ask for ED
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,ut.general,ut.chinese
From: wongja@ecf.toronto.edu (WONG JIMMY PAK-YEN)
Subject: U of T Textbooks Wanted
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:07:22 GMT


Hi, I'm looking for the following electrical engineering textbooks.
Please send responses to    wongja@ecf.toronto.edu


Course   Title                                         Author

ELE448F  Intro. to Modern Optics(paperback)            Fowles
ELE453F  Principles of Communications 3rd Ed.          Ziemer&Tranter
ELE457F  Feedback Control Theory(paperback)            Doyle


                                               Thanks,

                                               Jim Wong   ENG SCI 9T3

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward)
Subject: WANTED: ESDI Controller
Organization: ASCI: UNIX Database and Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution:  tor
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:41:32 GMT

I'm putting together a low-end system from parts I have lying around,
to let the kids play games (etc) on.  I have an old ESDI disk which is
doing nothing more useful than keeping the basement from drifting away,
but no controller for it.

Can anyone help, or should I sell it and go IDE.
--
Anton J Aylward
Newsgroups: bnr.misc.classifieds,ont.forsale
From: mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman)
Subject:  puppies for sale
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:06:09 GMT

We have black standard poodle puppies for sale, both show-quality
and pet-quality.  Poodles make great pets, are good with kids and
are also great for people who have allergies - poodle fur is different
from most dogs' hair and usually doesn't bother people with dog-allergies
anywhere near as much!
 
Serious inquires only,
      Jim and Eileen Norman
      Hamlex Kennels
      R. R. #6 Smiths Falls Ont
      (613) 283-5677
(My parents are members of the Canadian Kennel Club, the Ottawa Kennel
Club and the Ottawa Valley Poodle Club and have been breeding dogs for
15 years)
                                                  Mike, the poodle guy
Mike Norman,c/o Bell-Northern Research 
P.O. Box 3511 Station 'C' Ottawa 
Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7 M/S 115      Internet: mwnorman@bnr.ca
tel: (613) 763-7717 (FAX:613-763-7742) 
"Hasta la vista, Baby!" A. Schwarzenegger
From: Krzysztof@netxsys.guild.org (Krzysztof Adamski)
Subject: Re: Speedometer
Newsgroups: ont.followup
Distribution: ont
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:17:52 EDT
Organization: NetX Systems Inc.

From article <1992Aug30.074606.13309@rose.com>, by mike.federchuk@rose.com (mike federchuk):
> 
> Date Entered: 08-30-92 03:37
> In article <1992Aug26.234201.6686@ctr.colum> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave
> Martindale) says:
> 
> D(|To check your speedometer, you need a measured section of roadway.  In
>   |southern Ontario, the 401 and QEW both have little markers every 5 km
>   |or 2 km apart - those work nicely.  Although individual markers might
>   |not be in exactly the correct place, they should be quite accurate over
>   |a long distance.  So, driving at any suitable steady speed, drive 10 or
>   |20 km and see how long it took, then figure out your actual speed.
> 
> I've always used (perhaps incorrectly?) the following method for testing the
> accuracy of my speedometer:
> 
> 1.  After maintaining a stable 60km/h, time off one minute.  Did you travel 1
> km?  You must be very sure to hold that speed for the entire minute.
> 
> 2.  After maintaining a stable 120km/h, time off one minute.  Did you travel 2
> km?  Again, you must be sure to hold 120km/h for the entire minute.
> 
> This test may not be 100% accurate, as it assumes your odometer is.  However,
> the test can be done anywhere; you don't have to go looking for a marked road
> or highway.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> Mike Federchuk              |
> Burlington, Ontario, Canada |
> mike.federchuk@rose.com     |
> ---
>    OLX 2.2   Help stamp out and abolish redundancy!
>    RoseMail 2.00 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363

The odometer and speedometers are driven by the same cable, I think (I may be
wrong) but if one is incorrect the other will be incorrect by the same amount.

Did you ever find that the speedometer was incorrect?

Krzysztof


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Are Fetal Heart Monitors needed??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.193648.2220193@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes...
When I was pregnant and reading, I read "Pregnancy for Today's
Woman" which stated emphatically that studies had shown that there is a
marked decrease in birth related disorders since the routine use of fetal
monitors.  I believe cerebral palsy was one such disorder that the author
of the book (an M.D.) claimed could be avoided entirely with correct use
of monitoring and intervention when necessary.

So I would say that, at best, the professional community is in 
disagreement.
>

I'm sorry, but there is no meaningful professional disagreement about the
value of fetal monitoring. Two decades of research have shown that it
serves no purpose. The American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists (ACOG) now agrees that even in the high risk cases for
which it was originally intended, monitoring provides no information that
can not be obtained through much less intrusive means.

The monitor was introduced into North American hospitals as a diagnostic
tool for emergency births. It was intended as simply one more source of
information about the health of a baby in difficult situations. But our
love affair with technology rapidly led to its use in the vast majority
of normal births. *No* studies showed its value in these situations; it
was introduced because our technologically-oriented medical system tends
to distrust women's bodies and believe that a readout on a machine is
somehow more real than a heartbeat heart through a fetoscope.

I can tell you from very personal experience that it would have been easy
for you to listen to your baby's heartbeat during birth by low-tech means.
The low-tech approach would have resulted in more personal and continuous
attention from your caregivers.

Ben Wolfe

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:48:21 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:


>A little education on salmonella (and something everyone should know and do
>because I've had the disease and you DO NOT WANT IT).  Salmonella is found
>in raw chicken.  Cooking the chicken removes the salmonella.  However, it

Amen!  Since I've seen the percentages on how much chicken in the market
gets there with salmonella, I treat raw chicken like pure plutonium or
raw dioxin: scrub hands, scrub cutting board, wash out the sink, don't
wash other dishes with same sink of soapy water used to clean up the
chicken utensils...major paranoia!  But the alternative is worse.

--
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:28:51 GMT

eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:
: 
: Or is it really that important?  Isn't
: having the child in your arms afterwards fulfilling enough, however they
: made their entry into the world?  
: 
: Anyone have any thoughts on this?
: 

I also had an epidural and forceps delivery because my son was face-up
coming out.  The thought never ever once since then crossed my mind
that I had missed out on anything.  Not until I started reading the
net did it even occur to me that people might feel this way.  As far
as I'm concerned, the end result is what counts.  You've carried that
baby for nine months, the delivery is really a relatively short part
of it all (hopefully).  I still found the whole pregnancy and delivery
very fulfilling, I can't imagine feeling any better just because I did
it all on my own with no medical intervention.  Just my opinion.

Catharine
:
From: lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and Pets (Re: Sweet things they do (3 years))
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:30:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I just have to add Brendan's most recent cute pet story.  

Brendan (who just recently turned a year old and has learned to actually
PET our golden retriever rather than pull all her hair out) has been
trying to throw the dog's toy for her.  He's watched us do it many times
and is fascinated by the dog's retrieval and running abilities.  And now
he's decided to try it himself.  Brendan will pick up the toy, wave it
around and eventually let go of it.  It may only land a few inches away
but he's as proud as can be and the dog (bless her heart) will pick it
up and give it back to him for another try.  It's really cute to see this
child/dog relationship develop.

-Laurel (mommy to Brendan-1 year, and Fire(cracker)-2 years)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: Re: beginning discipline
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:53:58 GMT


First thanks to all who replied to my request for advice setting limits for
our 10 month old daughter.  I'll try to summarize the content of the replies
I recieved.

The consensus seems to be that her behavior, amusement at and disregard for
our attempts to set limits, is very typical of a child her age.

Most people seem to believe that our current tactics of saying "no",
removing her from the undesired activity and perhaps distracting her are
good way to deal with the situation, at her age.  Most people said that if
we are consistent and persitent in setting limits, she will eventually learn
(no one was real definite on how long eventually is).  One person suggested
reserving the word "no" for serious situations and using the other words
like "off limits" for everyday limits.  I can see this idea has merits -
because when I tell the dog "no", Hannah turns around and looks.  (Yes, I
identify Hannah or the dog by name before saying "no".)

Some people suggested that we may want to begin to use a variation of
time-out by placing her in a crib or playpen, especially if she reaches the
point of crying.  They were careful to say the "time-out" period should be
very short, perhaps one or two minutes, for such a young child.  Some people
felt it helpful to give Hannah a brief explanation of why I am stopping her
activity.

One person felt that Hannah is probably too young to be expected to
understand and follow the directions and limits.  She and others suggested
the solution is to further baby-proof the house so she can't get into
trouble.  Taking my example of preventing her from playing on the hearth,
she suggested not having a fire.  We have tried this in some case - our
brick hearth looks kind of funky now because it is covered with old blankets
and rugs.  But we don't want to apply this solution to every situation.  For
example, we want to teach Hannah not to chew on the coffee table rather than
put the table into storage.  And we want to teach her to stay away from the
cats' litter box rather than give away our pets (I can 't find a place where
the box is inaccessible to Hannah but accessible to the cats).  And we don't
want to restrict Hannah to one or two rooms.

All but one response was explicitly or implicitly in agreement with our
desire to avoid corporal punishment.  However, one person believed that if
we spank her when she gets into trouble now we will have fewer problems with
discipline in the future.  I think the jist of it was that Hannah may see
our current tactics as a game.  A spanking when she disregards our
instruction would quickly teach her we mean that we say and she will be more
likely to follow our instructions and less likely to test the limits.

thanks again,

anne
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:53:06 GMT

(Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>: (Diane Lin) writes:
>: 
>: Yep me too, notes ...but now I wish we had videotaped the whole thing
>: because right now, (7 months later) I would just LOVE to watch it.  
>: (And before I always thought videoptaping a birth was weird).
>
>
>I also wish I had videotaped the whole thing.  Is there anyone out
>there who has?  I have yet to meet anyone who has done this.
>
>Catharine
> 


Yep ...my brother did.  Funny thing is his wife is really a pretty modest
person.  Yet if you ask, they'll gladly show you the video. 


diana
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute Things They Do (21 months)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:02:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: unpredictability

(Background:  Imaginarium is a really cool toy store where kids can
actually play with a lot of the stuff, ride the toy cars, push wagons,
play with Legos, Brio trains, etc. so it's a favorite spot for the
toddler/preschool/kid at heart set.)

Dylan and I were in Imaginarium yesterday, where he has always
exhibited a rather proprietary manner towards a particular toy car.
He spotted a slightly younger boy heading towards the car, and
immediately started towards the boy, shouting "mine!" all the while.
I set out after him, in case he decided to punctuate the point by
pushing or hitting.  Both boys reached the car simultaneously, with
me right behind, giving Dylan the umpteenth sermon on how the toy
was not his and that he would have to take turns riding it.  The
boys looked at each other very seriously, as if they were about to
wrestle over ownership.  Then, out of the blue, they leaned towards
each other and *kissed*!  It was as if some unknown force (the good
"Force", of course) pulled them together.  The little boy then got
into the car, and Dylan walked away to find another toy with which
to play.  The boy's mother and I just stared at each other in shock
for a second, and then we burst out laughing.  There we were,
braced for the worst, and our kids just independently and silently
settled the potential dispute.  Ah, if only adults could act so
grown up :-0

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:21 GMT

Since there's been so much debate about walkers lately, I'd be interested
in hearing what everyone has to say about Johnny-Jump-Ups. I know people
who swear by them, but have also read that they can cause injury to the
child's legs if it jumps up then comes down and hits the floor. Any
comments?...


-Jen (due 11-14)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Mail to "Robshaw"
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 14:39:17 GMT

That's okay Susan.  I see you posted the membership list to everyone
anyway.  As long as you received my message adding me to the list,
I am happy.  Thanks again.

Catharine
From: fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu (c b fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:12:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <17iv4gINNijr@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>In article <14337@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) 
writes:
>>In Diane Lin's excellent summary of walker dangers, it sounds as 
>>though nearly all of the walker-related injuries were due to falling 
>>down stairs, and most of the remainder to an inadequately-childproofed 
>>home. 

>An article in today's (8/27/92) Boston Globe confirms that nearly all
>of the 20,000+ injuries annually which involve walkers also involve
>stairs or steps. 

>What the article was actually about, though, was a bid to ban walkers
>completely. This seems excessive to me, since it's not hard to figure

Sounds like a great reason for starting a movement to ban stairs :-).

"Let's make America safe for walkers."

Chris - a walker owner, and damned proud of it


c. b. fowler  gtri/esml
chris.fowler@gtri.gatech.edu
CFOWLER@GTRI01 (BITNET)
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Summary: things that helped me
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:52:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Ginger (as in ginger snap cookies) and almonds, fresh almonds,
or the already shelled kind.  These helped me a lot.  I read about
these natural cures and tried them, they worked for me (even if it
was just a placebo effect, hey, it worked!).  I also found that
nibbling throughout the day (even if the thought of food is disgusting)
helped, basically, not letting my stomach get too empty.  Of course,
nibbling the good old saltine crackers helped too (or toast or bread).
I was much more sick with "morning sickness" at night, like 8-11 pm.
Frequent nibbling was the key for me, and fortunately, the sickness
ended during my 3rd month (usually a first trimester thing).

Funny, my co-workers "knew" I was pregnant before I told them, seeing
me nibbling almonds and saltine crackers at my desk tipped them
off they said.  

(ginger snap cookies and almonds are also supposed to help motion sickness)

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Right Start Catalog
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:09:31 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

1-800-little-1

Cool, eh?
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:03:12 GMT
Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I think even 15 mins a day would be pretty hard to pull off, and
I hardly think that's a decent amount of time.  If parents didn't
have to work outside the home, hired cooks, cleaners, chauffers,
grocery and mundane household items shoppers, etc. then there wo
would be time for the kids.  I think in many cases the oldest
children in a very large family are cheated out of their 
childhood because they are expected to look after the younger
ones.  My father was the oldest of 11, and he made a choice to
have only one child.  He didn't want me to go through what he did.
Actually, of all of the 11 children, none of them have more than
2 kids of their own.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mineminemine
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:21:40 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Aug24.233803.17553@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
   Justine was visiting a friend (2 years old) who could not
   share anything. Each time Justine would pick up a toy the 
   other toddler (Brianne - Bree anne) would say "me me me mine"
   and take it away. If she could not get the toy away  easily she would 
   cry. When she cried I was able to persuade Justine to give her the
   toy.

   How long does such a stage last and is this a typical 2 year old 
   type of behaviour.

   How do you discourage such behaviour.

Well, if the child is successful in getting the toy back by crying
and/or yelling "MINE", I would guess the 'stage' will last for quite
some time.

We discouraged the behavior by refusing to give Katherine things when
she yelled "MINE" or when she cried and carried on. If she said "mine"
and "please" we might give it to her, or we might say that we were
taking a turn, hold it for 15 seconds, then give it to her. It helps
to have a doll for both kids or a car for both kids, etc. Then I would
just say "You have this doll, and your friend plays with this doll
while he/she visits".

For a child who's going through this stage really badly, playing at
another child's house (who is ok with sharing) or to a neutral place
like a park is a good solution.

Good luck!
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids