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From: shinshin@pfu.fujitsu.co.jp (Shin-Aw-OKADA)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: One Side Deaf
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:51:31 GMT
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From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Automatic U.S. citizenship (was non-natives in Japan)
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:46:41 GMT
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MH>   For instance, my daughter has currently three nationality, and
MH> thus appears in three different passports. She is Japanese through her
MH> mother, Icelandic through me, and American because she was born in the
MH> US. (She also has three different set of full names, due to different
MH> naming systems, but that's another story.) When she becomes 18, she
MH> will have to renounce two of these citizenships since none of these
MH> countries allow dual citizenships for adults. 

Actually this is not quite true. The U.S. does allow dual
citicenship. There has been a long standing (purposeful?)
misinterpretation of the law by the state department, but
during the last couple of years this has been contested in
court successfully several times. Sorry,  I am no lawyer and
can provide no references.

Cheers, Thomas

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Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.sci.lang
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
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Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:33:47 GMT


>Then, I'll practice it.  Nie1 Hao2?$@!!(Jright?
>$@$G$O!"$5$C$=$/N}=,$r!#!!%K!<%O%*!)(J  $@2q$C$F$^$9!)(J>
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$@$5$9$,$G$9$M!#(J:-) I preffer to say it in roman letters:

Wo Hen Mang... Wo Hen Lei.... Wo De Bien-Don Hen Hao Su... :-)

Chinese Bu min bai... 

Zai-Jian!

Bentan de bashi-ren $@$h$j!"(J
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From: kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Please cross-post to fj.Topically.Correct.Newsgroups [English]
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:58:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: NTT Basic Research Labs., Tokyo, Japan

Dear posters of foreigner-related articles,

Believe me, this is NOT one of the absurd indictments filed against
you :-) You have right to use fj.misc UNTIL
fj.life.foreigners-in-japan or whatever group SPECIALIZED IN TOPICS
RELATED TO FOREIGNERS is created. For the time being, please
substitute fj.misc for Yet-To-Be-Created fj.life.foreigners-in-japan
in the following discussions.

I recommend you to cross-post your article to a topically categorized
newsgroup fj.THE.TOPICS and fj.foreigners-in-japan, if your article is
related to both foreigners and THE.TOPICS to great extent.

For example; if you are missing your ethnic food in Japan, you may
benefit by posting the article to fj.life.foreigners-in-japan and
fj.rec.food. The topics is related to foreigners since it's ethnic and
you may expect your countrymen reading fj.life.foreigners-in-japan. 
The topics is also related to food and you may expect those who are
subscribing fj.rec.food know where to find your ethnic foods.

And more. There may be synergy effect. For example, the food you are
looking for is available in Japan but may be known in different name
or difficult-to-decipher KATAKANA name. The readers of fj.rec.food may
not recognize the name you mentioned. There may be someone on
fj.life.foreigners-in-japan who is good at your ethnic language and
can guess likely KATAKANA names and tell it to the readers of
fj.rec.food or vice versa. (Sounds unlikely ? I bet you have more
realistic examples.)

Anyway, you have nothing to lose by cross-posting to the related
newsgroups as well as fj.life.foreigners-in-japan. And again, since
fj.life.foreigners-in-japan is not created yet, you have right to use
fj.misc as a tentative substitution.

Thank you for your attention.
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From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:41:26 GMT

In article <ISHIKAWA.92Jul14180521@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:
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   From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
   Newsgroups: fj.misc
   Date: 14 Jul 92 09:05:07 GMT
   References: <MARKD.92Jul13095306@stallman.csl.sj.nec.com> <2014@aegis.or.jp>
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   In article <2014@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

      Sorry, but I have zero interest in cereal and milk. Actually, one
      of the main reasons I enjoy living in Japan is Japanese food!

Well, I also like japanese food. Anytime except on an empty stomach :-)

   Thank you. By the way, I checked my local supermarket counter after
   reading somebody's comment that even Quaker Oats has put kiddy pictures
   on their boxes. It turns out that the Yuki-jirushi (Snow brand) which
   is the licensed distributor of Quaker Oats in Japan hasn't tampered
   with the box and I could still buy the good old-fashioned box with the
   classical picture on it.

Hmm, ano neee, there is a slight flaw in the conclusion from this
empirical evidence. You see, if you can't find something, you don't
have a proof that it doesn't exist; on the other hand, if you find it,
you have an existence proof.

But your point is otherwise correct. Either they have huge stocks of
the older design, or they are going to continue to use both designs.
Moreover, only the green box has the frog on it; the others have been
restyled in a less cutesy way.

Moi
Newsgroups: fj.rec.foods,fj.misc
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:14:19 GMT

May I have a question out of the subject but only from my curiosity?
Many lines deleted.

>Jin> Instead of milk,we took Dou4 Jiang1$B!P(B(chinese pronouciation,the numbers
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jin> stand for intonation)($BF&F}(B tounyu in japanese)} and instead of bread
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jin> we took You3Tiao3$B!P(Bmaybe japanese call it $BMH$2%Q%s!J(Bagepan)}.
              ^^^^^^^^^
>Jin> in the restaurant. We take this as a type of Shao3 Chi1 or Dian3
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^
>Jin> Shin1($BE@?4(Btenshin,japanese pronounciation).What about try again to
      ^^^^^

    I have encounterd the same expressions elsewhere.  And, in my knowledge
there are four intonations in Chinese.  Is it like { - , \ , / , v } ?
If it's wrong, please tell me.  
    And the main question is, which corresponds to which (1, 2, 3, 4)?
    
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>Does anyone know about this "Tenshin Mise"?? Please help two poor
>foreigners...
>$B=u$1$F$/$l!*(B:-)
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~    Umm, emergency call? :-) 

    I once visited a chinese restaurant which in my memory had $BE@?4(B 
in their name.  It was located near Ueno $B>eLn(B station, and I have 
good impression on both atmosphere and the TASTE of the $BE@?4(B's.
    The restaurant faces Showa-dori on its east side-walk down south 
from Ueno station in about 100-200 m distance.  It was in the basement
floor of a building.  Though I looked over $B$T$"(Bmap$B%0%k%a(B, I could not
find out.  I'm afraid it's too poor info.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Please cross-post to fj.Topically.Correct.Newsgroups [English]
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:45:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa) writes:

>Dear posters of foreigner-related articles,

>Believe me, this is NOT one of the absurd indictments filed against
>you :-) You have right to use fj.misc UNTIL
>fj.life.foreigners-in-japan or whatever group SPECIALIZED IN TOPICS
>RELATED TO FOREIGNERS is created. For the time being, please
>substitute fj.misc for Yet-To-Be-Created fj.life.foreigners-in-japan
>in the following discussions.

Yes, fj.misc seems to be the de facto yet.to.be.created...

>I recommend you to cross-post your article to a topically categorized
>newsgroup fj.THE.TOPICS and fj.foreigners-in-japan, if your article is
>related to both foreigners and THE.TOPICS to great extent.

I'm purposely *not* doing this to avoid being flamed for posting in
English. 

>For example; if you are missing your ethnic food in Japan, you may
>benefit by posting the article to fj.life.foreigners-in-japan and
>fj.rec.food. The topics is related to foreigners since it's ethnic and
>you may expect your countrymen reading fj.life.foreigners-in-japan. 
>The topics is also related to food and you may expect those who are
>subscribing fj.rec.food know where to find your ethnic foods.

Perhaps, but will they reply? ATME (According To My Experience) more
likely I will get mail telling me to post in Japanese, or mail telling
me that anything I post in English will be disregarded.

>Anyway, you have nothing to lose by cross-posting to the related
>newsgroups as well as fj.life.foreigners-in-japan. And again, since
>fj.life.foreigners-in-japan is not created yet, you have right to use
>fj.misc as a tentative substitution.

Sorry, but I don't feel people have 'rights' on the net (if I'm mistaken
and we do, please tell me where I can find out what they are :-)

IMHO, there are a small but active group who will do anything to
prevent non-Japanese from posting to fj. First it was because there
wasn't any newsgroup for non-Japanese, then when somebody suggested
a newsgroup it was because there wasn't any traffic, then when the
traffic builds up in fj.misc it's because they should be posted to
other newgroups, then .... 

Since I don't want to make waves, I think I'll continue to just post
in fj.misc and/or fj.news.group where there seems to be a convention
of posting/replying in English.

On the other hand, if you feel that various topics should be
crossposted to other groups within fj, why not include the
other newsgroups in a reply? Only an idea....

Dave

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From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:51:05 GMT
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In-reply-to: markd@csl.sj.nec.com's message of 20 Jul 92 16:56:55 GMT


>>>>> On 20 Jul 92 16:56:55 GMT, markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) said:

Mark> Maybe so, but I think TV dinners must be the original "instant food."
Mark> Certainly cumbersome by today's standards of what is instant, but back
Mark> when they were invented... (Don't TV Dinners date back to the '50s?)
	Aha. The progenitor of junk food :-)

Mark> Throw together a green salad and brown some
Mark> ready made garlic bread in the oven and you have a taken a big step up
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mark> from instant ramen, without a TOO much work.
	Geez. I like gralic bread. When I first ate it, I thought that
was really nice to eat something like that with a big, BIG steak.
Anyway, what is this ready  made garlic bread? Is this frozen food?
(kind of shudder to think about that someone freezes a hot nice garlic
bread.) Garlic bread is hard to come by in Japan, I am afraid.

Mark> Maybe we should drop this thread, I keep drooling on my keyboard!!
	Sorry, couldn't help asking.
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From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: No Response to English Articles? [English]
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

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In article <CLAUDE.92Jul28180617@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> , 
	claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes 
>IMHO, I think this is not that important. If there were responses,
>so what? It's not necessary to create a newsgroup?? I think this 
>kind of question come only to make more base for more sophisms...

I agree with you.  What we really need now is an existential proof of
fj.life.in-japan rather than defensive debate. Here are several
possible proofs.

  a) Sufficient users (Yes, we see many foreign posters in fj/japan)
  b) Clear demand (Yes, we see many example postings)
  c) Category accepted by fj users (Yes, we see many support posts)

Yes, I think all three points are satisfied, but some others aren't.
But if many of us agree with me, it is sufficient to create
fj.life.in-japan. I think now the time for vote.  If sufficient
potential users think fj.life.in-japan is useful, it is useful.

>Mr. Kuno, could you summarize the important points in the discussion
>so far? I think it would easier for everybody and make difficult to
>have flames meaningless...

The valid objection is coming from NG name problem.  Some people
doesnot like fj.life.* domain in historical reason. I think it is
historical reason because he has no alternatives anymore. We already
tried fj.soc.*, fj.soc.lang.*, fj.living.*, that is, we finished the
discussion on NG name.  Others offending posts are merely claiming
about the usage of fj.life.in-japan. It can be solved by "on-the-run"
training.

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Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.policy
From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: How to select News Groups
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:58:02 GMT

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 Which news group should be selected if foreigners want to know how
the movie is shown in japan?

In article <TOZAKI.92Jul24124837@sapphire.math.keio.ac.jp>
tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI) writes:
	
>$B;d$O(Bfj.rec.movies$B$G9=$o$J$$$H;W$$$^$9$h!#$b$7K\Ev$K$=$s$J<ALd$,Mh$?$i(B
>$B>.J}$5$s$,Ez$($?$G$7$g$&(B? $B$=$l$H$b(B fj.misc$B$X9T$1$H$+8@$C$FDI$$=P$7$^$7(B
>$B$?$+(B?

> I don't care if such question may appear in fj.rec.movies. In such
> case, you will answer to the question. In stead of answering, do you
> want to eject him to fj.misc ?

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 No one expect to eject someone. 

$BKM$O!"(B fj.rec.movies $B!V$@$1$K!WEj9F$9$k$N$O8=>u$G$OLdBj$,$"$k$H;W$C$F(B
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$B;W$&!#(B

 In the current state of FJ news group, posting ONLY to fj.rec.movies
will result to get no appropriate answer. I will support the policy
that this kind of articles should be cross-posted both fj.rec.movies
and fj.life.in-japan.

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Racism in Japan (was CFA/CFD:fj.life.in-japan)
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Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:56:22 GMT



Claude>concept "Speak in loud voice"? How many dB would be ??? :-)
Chiaki> 	Just lould enough to wake up your neighbors and make them
Chiaki> angry enough to complain to you or to your landlady :-)
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In fact, my wife is a psychologist (Should I cross-post it for
fj.sci.psychology, too? :-) ) and she researched about this concept
of "loud" sounds. The reason was why some people complained about
mexican people living in USA about their "noises". Then, someone
used an equipment to see how many dB would be in a mexican home
and another in an "american" home. Many times, "american" who
complained about mexican had in fact much more noise (in dB)
than american did... The fact is : If someone talk in my native
language, after a time, I'll "filter" the sound from my mind,
but if someone is speaking in "foreigner" language, I'll take
it as "noisy" and some people may feel bad with it. I see it,
how many times I'm speaking inside the train as the japanese
do, and many times people look to me like feeling bad about
it... :-) Isn't it interesting? 


Chiaki> 	If you company people knew this, and OK'ed it, then maybe you
Chiaki> have to live by with it. But when you want to bring your friends to
Chiaki> your room just tell the landlady that they are your
Chiaki> sisters/brothers/cousins, etc. She may think that you have a BIG
Chiaki> family :-)

Sure, I have the BIGGEST family ever in the world... :-)

Claude> It's very interesting to know there's some comitee for Human Rights

Could you tell me where could I contact that Human Rights comitee? My wife
is interested on that because she is working as a volunteer counselour for
AIDS patients and AIDS related problems here in Japan. She said there is
a lot of problems with Human Rights in those cases and probably she would
be interested to follow up some cases to that comitee. Some japanese would
be very impressed if they know how many people come to look for information
in these days...

ciao,
 


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Claude Huss
Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.
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From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: Pre-SakeReport (Re: Some cooking Q.) [ENGLISH/Gaijin stuff]
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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In article <1992Jul25.051412.27405@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

   Shochu in Japan
   are devided into "Kou-grade" ($@9CN`(J) and "Otsu-grade" ($@25N`(J),
   the former preserves flavors of the grains from which they are made,
   wile the latter is rather close to pure alchohl, I thought. 

Well, that's interesting. Do you have any more information about Shochu
selection?

       Of course we quite often encounter the difference between
   "traditional Japanese style" and "our style"; various thing
   change rapidly in Japan.

Straying from the topic completely, this reminds me of the question
that I often get, whether my (Japanese) wife cooks "Japanese or
Western" food. I have to ask whether $@$H$s$+$D!"%+%l!<%i%$%9!"%.%e!<%6!"(J
$@$A$c$O$s!"(Jstir-fried pork, or fried chicken marinated in soya sauce is
Japanese cooking or not. Is common fare in Japan,  "Japanese food" or not?

       Well, I can't guess why beers has become "de fact standard
   drinks" in Japan.  Maybe they are mass-produced and almost of
   the same quality everywhere?  (Only four majer beer brewers in
   Japan!)

Uniformity, yes. It has the advantage and disadvantage of
industrialized standardization of taste, as opposed to zillions of
local breweries of sake.

Magnus