HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trouble at Huskyville
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:33:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov6.080847.20732@u.washington.edu>, baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
> All you Cougar fans don't get too happy too soon.  The news channels around
> here have been hootin' and hollering about Hobert, but unless the entire team
>(mainly the coaching staff) has been found responsible, the only sanctions will
> be personal punishment against Hobert.  

 Not really. If he is found to be the only individual then you are probably
correct but it does not have to be the "entire" team in order for major
sanctions to be passed down. If the program is dirty (whether it be the 
players or the coaches or both) then a punishment is likely.

> Also, if the Huskies get penalized in
> any way, they are gonna take out their frustrations on someone, and who better
> than WSU?

 It depends on how long it drags out. The effect this will have on the
huskies is hard to predict - on the one hand they may become intense and
feel that they have something to prove, on the other hand, particularly
if there are say one or two other key players who are in similar situations
and who are beginning to worry about how long it will be before their names
come out, then I suspect that it might be tough to focus on the games
at hand. We'll find out soon enough I suspect...

> Very unsportsmanlike of you WSU fan(s) to put ':-D' right after mentioning
> suspentions and possible sanctions.  Let it be settled on the field.  It is
> not good to assume that a team is going to get 'big-league' sanctions and
> then jubliate after it.

Huh? Of course it is. I'm no WSU fan but the idea that one should not be happy
if a dirty program (should UW be found to be "dirty") gets caught and
punished seems absurd - particularly if it is a cross-state rival - I
mean the folks in Tucson have enjoyed every weekly episode of the demise
of the ASU athletic program....


			gln


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin)
Subject: Njan, where are you??
Keywords: CU gets bombed
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:28:30 GMT

Njan, we haven't heard much from you the last week.  Husker got your
tongue (or keyboard)?  I seem to remember some pretty big talk from
you back in September.  What happened?  I don't understand.  Are you
still out there??
From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WEEKLY TOP 25
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

this form borrowed from azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito); i didn't see
his 2 Nov 92 posting until 9 Nov 92, so i'm posting early.

	 -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----

THIS LAST                     Last Week's                  Next
WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Results     ()s = ranked     Game   ()s = ranked
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1    2  Miami         8 0 0  --IDLE--                     v Temple,11/14
 2    3  Alabama       9 0 0  WON @ LSU, 31-11             @ Miss St.(16),11/14
 3    4  Michigan      8 0 1  WON @ NWestern, 40-7         v Illinois,11/14
 4    5  Texas A&M     9 0 0  WON v Louisville, 40-18      @ Houston,11/14
 5    6  Florida St    8 1 0  WON v Maryland, 69-21        v Tulane,11/14
 6    1  Washington    8 1 0  LOST @ Arizona(9), 3-16      v Oregon St.,11/14
 7    7  Nebraska      8 1 0  WON v Kansas, 49-7           @ Iowa State,11/14
 8    8  Notre Dame    7 1 1  WON v Boston Coll(17), 54-7  v Penn St(23),11/14
 9   12  Arizona       5 2 1  WON v Washington(6), 16-3    @ So. Cal(18),11/14
10   10  Syracuse      8 1 0  WON v Va. Tech, 28-9         @ BostColl(17),11/14
11   14  Florida       6 2 0  WON v So.Miss, 24-20         v So. Car,11/14
12   15  Georgia       7 2 0  --IDLE--                     @ Auburn,11/14
13   16  Colorado      7 1 1  WON v OklahomaSt, 28-0       @ Kansas(20),11/14
14   17  NC State      7 2 1  WON @ Virginia, 31-7         v Duke,11/14
15   21  Stanford      7 3 0  WON v So. Cal(18), 23-9      @ Wash St.(21),11/14
16   19  Miss. State   7 2 0  WON v Arkansas, 10-3         v Alabama(2),11/14
17    9  Boston Coll   7 1 1  LOST @ Notre Dame(8), 7-54   v Syracuse(10),11/14
18   11  Southern Cal  5 2 1  LOST @ Stanford(15), 9-23    v Arizona(9),11/14
19   22  Ohio State    7 2 0  WON v Minnesota, 17-0        @ Inidiana,11/14
20   13  Kansas        7 2 0  LOST @ Nebraska(7), 7-49     v Colorado(13),11/14
21   25  WashingtonSt  7 2 0  WON v ArizonaSt, 20-18       v Stanford(15),11/14
22   23  Penn State    6 3 0  --IDLE--                     @ NotreDame(8),11/14
23   24  Tennessee     5 3 0  --IDLE--                     @ Memphis St.,11/14
24   --  Hawaii        7 1 0  WON v ColoradoSt, ??-?       @ San Diego St,11/14
25   18  N.Carolina    7 3 0  LOST @ Clemson, 7-40         @ Duke,11/21

Last week's casualties...

LAST
WEEK  SCHOOL       W L T  Last Game                   Next Game
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 20  Texas         5 3 0  LOST @ TCU, 14-23            v SMU,11/14
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Some comments
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:05:38 GMT

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.075544.28678@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager) writes:
>>
>>Washington loses in Arizona.  Why should Miami be ranked ahead of Washington
>>just because they were fortunate enough tp play Arizona in Miami?  If the
>>home fields were reversed, we very possibly would have had opposite results.
>>

>One possible reason:  The pollsters are stupid and don't care much.  I still
>think that Miami would lost if the game is played at Arizona.  You're damn
>right!

>>Next issue.  Why isn't Florida State being given more credit?  Their only
>>loss came in Miami by a slim margin.  They have road wins at Clemson, NC
>>State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia which I think is pretty impressive.  Yet
>>no one mentions them as a possible national champion.

>One again, the possible reason is tha the pollsters are blind.

>>
>>Then we have Alabama, Michigan, and Texas A&M being considered as possible
>>champions just because they're undefeated (except for Michigan's tie).  Would
>>these teams be undefeated if they had Washington or Florida St's schedule?
>>

>Frankly, NO.  (Alabama may be able to beat both with a slim chance.  Texas
>A&M have virtually no chance.  Michigan would got blow-out by FSU again.)

>>
>>I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think the rankings reflect the
>>true ordering of teams in terms of strength.  It's all a matter of timing
>>and circumstance.
>>

>What makes a college football team a MNC is not primarily based on how good a
>team is, but how lucky it is.  Like Miami.  The Canes is damn tough, but I
>still don't think it is the best team in the nation this year.

>Unfortunately, most pollsters are blind, so we have to live with this mess
>until a playoff system is made.

>- Louis


Now guys - a true Cane fan can't let that stuff go by. You don't need a
playoff, just give the MNC to Miami every year until we tell you to stop :-)

I love your logic(?). Miami beats Arizona at Miami. Arizona beats Wash U
at Arizona - so Michigan should be #1 *OR* the pollsters are blind .

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - you guys are funnier than anything on TV.

Justin Frederich




Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: ND/PSU--third time's a charm?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:09:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.173257.2532@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan) writes:
>I just cannot see a Paterno team loose a fourth game this season.  They
>are due to win a big one and they are going to be focused on ND.
>I hope the Nittany Lions stomp those green midgets!
>

Stomp away. The gold and blue giants on the field will still be playing
the game.  The only green midget at the game will be the guy who hangs out 
with the cheerleaders on the sidelines. (Unless Kazoo shows up ...)
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions 11-14
Keywords: NCAA, Computer Predictionsn
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:11:47 GMT

In article <1277@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
>Here are the predictions by my computer algorithm.  This is my first try
>at using the algorithm on college games.  I am about 75% against the spread
>in NFL games.  I have tested my algorithm on college games and made a few
>minor adjustments and seem to be doing fairly well.
>
>Texas A&M   13
>Houston     41
>
>Temple       8
>Miami        9
>
>Illinois    13
>Michigan    10
>
>Tulane      16
>Florida St. 17
>
>SMU         38
>Texas       21
>
>Comments please.
>
>Carl
>ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com

Something strike you guys as odd about all of the above scores?  We could
call it "Miracle Saturday" of course the A&M-Houston game is on Thursday,
but we won't let technical details get in the way...  :-)

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Reply-To: stassen@alc.com
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:59:31 GMT

Allen Warren writes:
> Wasn't Cooper previously the coach of Arizona St.?  

That is correct.

> If so, when did ASU win a Pac-10 championship? 

ASU won the Pac-10 at 6-1-1 (9-1-1 overall) in 1986, two years
before Cooper's first season as Ohio State head coach.  The
Sun Devils played Michigan in the 1/1/1987 Rose Bowl, winning
22-15.  ASU finished the year ranked #4, Michigan ended up #8.

ASU's only loss that year was an embarrassing 34-17 beating at
the hands of conference rival Arizona (9-3), once the Rose Bowl
bid was already sewn up; their tie was a 21-21 game early in
the season with a poor Washington State (3-7-1) team.

One wonders if Cooper's problems with Arizona (I don't think he
ever did any better than tying the Wildcats) were an indication
of the problems he would have with Ohio State's traditional rivals
Michigan and Illinois.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SOONERS
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 11:21:24 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlvm.unl.edu

In article <1992Nov5.190548.19720@utdallas.edu>
dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
 
>
>>In article <1992Oct19.223305.7173@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>I prefer to think of them (us) as opportunistic (sp?) eager beaver types. :-)
>
Opportunistic to upset Nebraska on it's way to the Orange Bowl?  Typical Sooner
s. I'm looking forward to that game Bill.  I don't care what ppl say, OU is
still our one and only true rival.  I think OU is coming back and I'm looking
forward for the OU vs. NU nostalgia to continue for years to come.  That was a
good game with Colorado.....although they didn't come back and tie you guys,
you let them.  You guys should know better from Nebraska's past examples in
some of our games.  Well, after this weekend, which will hopefully be a NU win
over Kansas, let's get the party going in Norman!
GO HUSKERS!!!!!!
Conrad Castaneda
U of Nebraska-Lincoln
 
p.s.- even though I'm a NU fan, I still think 'Boomer Sooner' is a cool fight
song.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett)
Subject: Bama
Summary: Going all the way!
Keywords: 13-0
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:19:43 GMT

13-0
BAMA
National Champions

it all just sounds so good!!!!



















HEY Bill!


Your girlfriend reminds me of a bowling ball!

Pick her up, finger her, throw her in the gutter, and she still comes back!!!


(just a joke!)
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Some comments
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:55:01 GMT

grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:

>It may be heresy to say this, but a good reason not to have a national
>playoff system is that it's just not that important.  College football
>should be done for the advantage of the players and schools involved.  It's
>not clear that there'd be an advantage, and I think there'd be a
>disadvatnage, if you destroyed the bowl system in the process.

>Now, you may say, "what about basketball?"  Well, the NCAA tournament is
>the bowl system of college basketball.  It a) has a certain amount of
>tradition & b) allows many schools to participate.  You can't have a
>realistic football championship without restricting it to 2 or 4 teams.
>Even at 4, you'd probably have to destroy the bowl system.  This sort
>of thing should not happen just to satisfy the desires of a bunch of
>people not involved with the colleges who want to "know" who is the best.

>Jon
  
One good thing about the current system is that something like 8 teams
go home a winner on New Years Day and each one feels they are the Champs.
(However, I would like to see a one game playoff if the top two teams
 are undefeated after the Bowl games).

 Justin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Glen Mason
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:33:39 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Nov10.165343.23926@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>I don't want to add fuel to speculation about Glen Mason and Ohio State,
>but I do have some honest questions about this guy that so many people
>in Columbus are talking about these days:
>
>* What is his overall record at Kansas (each year, if you know it)?

Yr	conf	overall	B8place
92	4-1	7-2
91	3-4	6-5	5th
90	2-4-1	3-7-1	5th
89	2-5	4-7	6th
88	1-6	1-10	7th

total	8-19-1	14-29-1

Overall 12-10 outside of KU(Kent?)
>
>* I know that he was an Ohio State assistant between '78 and '85 - what
>  is his other experience?

Don't know.  I think he coached at Kent.
>
>* Where is he from (i.e. is he an Ohio native)?

OhioSt '72.  I think he is a native, too.
>
>* How do Kansas folks and Big-8 followers feel about him and what he's
>  done with the Kansas program?

He's done a good job.  Recruited successfully, gets his players to
play hard.   Brought the program up from despair.  I think he is a
good coach.
>
>* What type of personality does he exhibit, i.e. is he full of rhetoric,
>  does he answer questions in a seemingly honest manner, is he a snake-oil
>  salesman (ala Hayden Fry), does he make jokes, is he Mr. Gruff (ala
>  Earle Bruce), etc.
>
He makes jokes....when asked about being an underdog in the Neb game,
he barked.  Smiles a lot.  Points out the good and bad in each game.
He seems genuine.   Kind of a straight forward, tell it like it is,
coach.  Seems to get along with the players and have their respect.
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:53:09 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
: In article <1992Nov6.221352.13647@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
: >
: >No but You must admit that the town slants drastically left.
: 
: Maybe, but it's still better than being a redneck hangout like Lincoln!
: 
: >Man, when you get beat like that just take it, keep your mount shut (you have
: 							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: you mean mouth?
: 
: >Husker Henderson
: 
: Njan

Good Njan, when you can't find anything else to pick on, pick on the people 
and the city and petty typos.  Why cant you learn to keep your mouth shut.  
Nebraska beat us.  Correction, Nebraska clobbered us.  Time to focus on the 
Jayhawks and put this game behind us as a learning experience.  

To all netters (especially Marty and Skip), I apologize on behalf of semi-
rational (you have to be semi-rational when it comes to NU  :-)  ) CU fans for
the postings by Njan.  Not all CU fans are like him. 

Personally, I hope Nebraska wins its remaining games.  It would be nice to see
a Big 8 school in the top five at the end of the year.  As for playing Miami 
in the Orange Bowl, its not going to happen. Miami will probably end up playing 
Alabama in the Sugar Bowl to decide the National Championship (sorry TAMU). 

--Pranav 
  (GO BUFFS!)

PS: This does not mean that my personal opinion of NU has changed. Its just 
    that you have to give credit to the Cornhuskers for beating CU and KU in 
    consecutive weeks. 


-- 
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Michigan Arranges Tune-up for Irish
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:21:08 GMT

mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:

>Michigan has moved its 1993 against Washington State from Sept 18 to Sept 4.
>That means that Michigan will now have a tune-up before they meet Notre Dame
>on Sept 11.

Gee that gives them 14 days instead of 7 to figure why they didn't beat ND :-)
From: sting@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OSU attendance (WAS: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:30:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <1992Nov12.014140.25802@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>Scott D. Davis writes:
>> I have wondered the same thing [why someone would want to coach Ohio
>> State]... I guess it is the prestige of the school(we're talking football).
>
>I'd guess:  Money, fame, a deep statewide high school talent pool
>with no significant in-state competition for it, excellent facilities,
>one of the biggest athletic department budgets in Division I, lots
>of local media and fan "support" (er, interest).  I'd say that there
>are likely only a handful of comparable positions in Division I.

While there is no in-state competition for the talent, I think *any* coach
coming to tOSU is gonna have a hard time swinging players away from Michigan.
For example, Desmond Howard and Elvis Grbac are just two of the many, many, many
Ohio players on the Michigan squad.

Now, being a Michigan student on leave in Cali, I'm gonna get flamed
tremendously for this, but I think it's because of Michigan's academic record
that is the reason for players coming to Michigan.  You add that to the fact
that tOSU fans seem to be constantly looking for the coaches head on a platter,
and you make it very, very hard to recruit.

Please, put the flame thrower away.  :-)

>
>That isn't to say that there aren't any negatives.  Like the "fans."
>
>> Better fan attendance (although I don't know about OhioSt's attendance
>> lately).
>
>It has been decades since Ohio State has failed to make the top five
>in average-attendance-per-home-game.  They've been third behind Michigan
>and Tennessee regularly of late (though they may have fallen to fourth
>last year due to PSU's stadium expansion).
>--
>Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:41:16 GMT

mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:

>In article <Bx63x1.F0v@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>
>>A short follow-up. I evidently gave Auburn too much credit. They wanted
>>Miami to play 2 games BUT both had to be at Auburn.
>>Get real Auburn !!! When you post the numbers seen above come back to talk.

>    Looks like auburn likes to play in their own sandbox almost as
>much as Miami, huh?  A challenge is a challenge and it doesn't look
>like auburn retreated.  (did I really say that?)

>--
>Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com


What did you say ? What was the challenge ? 

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From: Mitch Blake <blake@l42al.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Remaining Schedules AP Top 10
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Subject: Re: Remaining Schedules AP Top 10
From: Alan Harder, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:39:49 GMT
In article <ASH.92Nov5093949@ulysses.mr.ams.com> Alan Harder,
ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.145544.4490@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Mitch Blake 
><blake@l42al.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>   >Well, it is a valid argument, but perhaps now the hypocrisy
exhibited by
>   >some (especially some very outspoken Mich. fans) will be visible to
all.
>
>Most Michigan fan postings I have read acknowlege Michigan's weak
>schedule.  Exactly what hypocrisy have you seen?  Excerpts are
>acceptable proof.

Example:

	In article <1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp> Dave Meeks,
davem@uvmark.uucp writes:
>In article <vanepps-041192042124@aha260.ccs.itd.umich.edu> 
>vanepps@engin.umich.edu (Daniel Van Epps) writes:
>>In article <wexjRmS00iUyE6AJJM@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
>><wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BAMA BAMA BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>get real, play somebody.  when you've had as many injuries as us
>>& still go undefeated please let us know. or do we have to meet you
>>in another bowl game like last time?

...etc.  Most comments like this have appeared in the Bama better than
Mich./Mich. better than Bama thread.  I must agree that since the first
few postings in this "You're schedule sucks so I'm better than you"
argument, I have read many postings from various & sundry sources (Mich.
fans included) that Bama & Mich. & A&M for that matter all have weak
schedules & shouldn't be using it for ammo in arguments as to why they
should be ranked higher/lower.

At this point in the season, I don't think that schedule strength should
matter in the rankings anyway.  If a mediocre team makes it all the way
through the season with an unblemished record simply because of its poor
competition, it will still be invited to a major bowl to play another
team with a great record.  The great equalizer occurs on New Years Day
when the overrated teams get pasted in the bowl games by the truly good
teams (It's not quite that simple, but until the bowls the only thing we
have to go on is record, a few key matchups during the season, and a lot
of biased opinion on a teams performance).

A good plug for a playoff is that biased opinion still plays a big part
in the rankings even after the bowls, especially if #1 doesn't play #2
etc. ......
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