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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6
Keywords: Nikon, F3HP, for sale
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:14:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.224226.8260@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:
|> I'm interested in the EOS EF version.  I'm very tempted to
|> run out and buy one...anyone have any experience with it?
|> 
Yeah.....No mail order shop has it yet. If one tells you that they have in 
stock, chances are they are lying.

Jason Chen
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: Rinne@PC386.ikw.uni-hannover.dbp.de (Frank Rinne)
Subject: Mamiya Cabin 67
Keywords: Projector for 6x7 Slides
Organization: IKW
Distribution: all
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:05:33 GMT
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Bayonet mount strength of Canon EOS10s and the rest
Keywords: Nikon
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:43:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1992Dec17.144308.19119@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
kfitzsim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin Fitzsimons) writes:
>Hello Victor,
>I must differ with your opinion of the EOS line.  [much stuff deleted]
>The last comparison I'll make is the auto focus function. The Nikon has a 
>tendency to "search" for focus (Go in and out until it finds focus). 
>The canon is much more accurate. It is more positive.

This problem can be caused by dust/lint on the AF sensor.  A few
months ago my 8008 started doing this, and sometimes even stopping at
an out of focus place.  I put the camera on Manual, shutter speed at
Bulb, opened the back, defeated the interlock, opened the shutter, and
cleaned the AF sensor on the floor of the body with a blower brush.
The problem was immediately cured.

I've heard that the F4s has a wiper blade to avoid this problem.

  -- David Jacobson
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Need help getting dark B&W sky
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:17:22 GMT

David Lantis (lantis@math.orst.edu) wrote:

: When I tried to do this, there were some clouds in the sky.  (If not,
: the sky is pretty uninteresting so crop out as much as you can).  I had
: better luck with an Orange filter and a polarizer.  Also, Adams main
: 'trick' for getting dramatic skies was to burn the heck out of them in
: the darkroom -- you can see this in the change in grey tones in "Moon
: over halfdome", for example.  According to my data sheet T-Max 100 does
: not have an extended red sensitivity (relative to pan).  I know some
: people do like to use two filters at once, I normally do not, but if you
: are after a particular effect then you might as well try it.  Also, if
: you slightly underexpose the shoot, the sky will usually keep more
: detail.

I have examined "Moon And Half Dome" as well as Adams' other well-known
(and not-so-well known) photographs that show sky detail.  I have also
examined "Examples", and his three-volume set "The Camera", "The Negative",
and "The Print".  In none of these books does he suggest that he had to
do anything to get the darker sky other than by using #12 (yellow) or
#25 or #29 (red and deep red, respectively) filters.  Indeed, with some of
his prints, printing down the sky would have been very noticeable.  If you
want to see a sky that is somewhat suggestive of this particular style, I
refer you to "Monolith, the Face of Half Dome" (1927), in which he gives
a lot of technical details about how he made this picture (using a #29
dark red filter) - "The Negative, pp. 4-5.

I never saw *any* suggestion that burning in the sky areas was done in "Moon
and Half Dome".  Can you cite references for this?

A polarizer will, in addition, darken the sky for you, too - and is often the
only acceptable alternative when shooting with color film.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
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From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: I Hate Grainy Pictures
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.140910.5999@spock.UUCP> gumby@spock.uucp (Danny 
Richman) writes:
> When I enlarge the pictures I get a lot of grain.  Well, sure I expected 
it, 
> but isn't there anything I can do????

Take a systems approach to the situation.  If the end result is a print in 
a newspaper, grain is no where near the factor it would be if you were 
taking the shots for an exhibition.  You may not even see the grain for 
all the halftone dots on the printed page.  Rather than get wrapped up in 
how to eliminate this feature of high speed film, learn to love it.  Grain 
per se is not necessarily evil or the mark of a bad photographer.  Some 
people even consider it arty!

From: antonsen@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Tim Antonsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:27:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Idea for Photo Publicaton
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Robert -

An interesting idea. Surely there are at least a few thousand people in the
U.S. with the interest and disposable income to support such a venture. If
the photographs were good, 10% might occasionally ante up. As a potential
contributor, I'd be interested in follow-up correspondence if you continue to
develop the idea.

Now, I have to say I am doubtful about your cost analysis. Of course, you have
pursued it further than I, but I'd double the numbers myself, on both ends.
"Nothing is as easy or as cheap as you would imagine." -- Murphy

Beyond that, there are two main challenges:
  * Selection -- To be viable, the journal would have to earn a reputation
                 for publishing previously unseen work of the highest 
                 caliber. Whoever chooses the photographs to be published
                 will be like the buyer for a clothing store: the journal
                 will live or die by his or her decisions. In particular,
                 the first issue has to be total dynamite, every image a
                 knockout in its own special way. 
  * Marketing -- Getting the attention of the people who may be interested in
                 buying. This is probably the most significant issue facing
                 anyone who wants his art to fetch money. One of the reasons I
                 doubt your numbers is the absence of any costs related to
                 marketing. You certainly can't set up a roadside booth beside
                 the fruit vendors, and whatever else you do will require lots
                 of time, effort, and (alas), cash. Without lots of marketing,
                 you're apt to wind up with several boxes of magazines
                 gathering dust in your garage. What marketing ideas have you
                 toyed with?

-Tim
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: plotkin@cs.stanford.edu (Serge A. Plotkin)
Subject:  Photo CD
Organization: Stanford, CS Dept.
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:49:24


Recently, I have seen many messages about the PhotoCD on the net.
Mostly complaints that the resolution is insufficient.
It seems that the main advantage of the PhotoCD is that it can be
directly read into the computer, where one can change contrast, color
balance, exposure, etc. Moreover, one can merge parts of several
pictures together, add text, and so on.

The big question is how can one PRINT the result ? clearly, regular
color printers are no good. Dye transfer printers are probably o.k., but
can not produce larger than 11x11in (is this really so? ) prints.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this problem ?
Without being able to print out the result after modifications, I do not
see why PhotoCD is any better than just storing slides, except that it
might be more convenient.


-serge
From: grygotis@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU (Anthony Grygotis)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Film developers
Summary: Looking for best deal in film processing
Keywords: film developers
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:55:02 GMT
Distribution: rec


     I am interested in finding a good deal in film processing.  Does anyone
have any recommendations?  I'm only interested in having my 35mm film turned
into photo-album-sized prints. Have any of the photo magazines done any
tests of the various processing labs recently?

     All responses appreciated.

						Tony
From: ken@racerx.bridge.COM
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Dumb Photographers
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:37:22 GMT
Organization: Planet Earth

In article <qX3uVB2w164w@geloser.login.qc.ca> atomas@geloser.login.qc.ca (J-F Bissonnette) writes:
>Well it happends in National parks, but beleive me it happends
>in town too!  I've been doing some weddings this summer and 
...
>a good exemple, ...  two of those weekend photgraphers got RIGHT
>in front of me... you can imagine my reaction.  The good thing
>was that my clients told me not to be gentle with those if they 
>realy are in the way... I let you guess the rest!  The rest of
>the wedding went quite good, even if some of the P&S owners 
>realy dislike me!  
>
>This is a common problem and if some of you get married some day,
>be sure to tell every one around to stay away from the photographer


I've been following this thread, being amused and appalled with the
rest of you.  But let me tell you about my own wedding.

My wife's parents hired a professional photographer for a series of 12
posed photos of the wedding party, etc., after the service was over and
the crowd dispersed.  They turned out quite beautifully.  But we did
not want the wedding itself to be a planned, posed, professional
modelling session.  No photographer, no matter how good, could capture
our own thoughts, feelings, and memories of the day, anyway.

The friends and relatives with their P/S cameras were the only were the
only source of photographs of events and peoples before, during, and
immediately after the service.  These snapshots, of which we received
duplicates of many, have a lot of meaning, not only for the images they
(imperfectly) portray, but because of the people behind the cameras.

I'm not sure what my point is apropos the referenced post.  I
personally take care to stay out of the way of photographers,
professional or amature, when they are working on a shot, and I would
look down my nose, probably, at folks who do otherwise.  But I doubt I
would authorize a hired hand to be rude to my invited guests.

Though I might feel different if it was _I_ paying the photographer.

-- 



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From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Outgrowing your gear 
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
	<1992Dec10.062901.24048@colorado.edu>
	<1992Dec16.083419.3494@netcom.com> <PD.92Dec17103050@horus.sics.se>
	<PHR.92Dec17215354@napa.telebit.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:20:03 GMT

In article <PHR.92Dec17215354@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>   BTW: Nikon isn't the only manufacturer with backwards compatibility in
>   the lens mount (and not complete compatibility either). Pentax has
>   done it too, and better, with their K-mount.

>Really.  Tell me how to put a 1960-vintage screw-mount Pentax
>lens on a K-mount body.  Tell me how to get full-aperture metering
>while you're at it.

Of course I can't tell you that. It's classified. :-)

Note that I wrote "with their K-mount". Pentax made a very wise
decision in 1975 to abandon the screw mount.

It's not that easy to mount any 1960-vintage Nikkor on any modern AF
Nikon body either. Be careful or you might have an incompatible
combination, which could damage the lens and/or the body.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
From: dtalmage@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Photo CD Resolution
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:17:19 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Dec18.153644.7586@netcom.com>, hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
> From article <YfA_zDe00WBOI2_0cR@andrew.cmu.edu>, by "Frank A. Reynolds" <fr0c+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>> With scanned images is there a simple way to tell what you have?  A
>> monitor with higher resolution will tell you (show you) more about the
>>...
> To view PhotoCD effectively, you only need a 24-bit VGA card, and a
> regular 14" $200 VGA monitor.  Sure, you get only 640x480x16.7million colors,
> but if you have enough RAM to load the 3000x2000, you still can view
> parts of it at a time, at least in Windows.

Here's another resolution question.  Suppose I'm going to publish a 
book and I do all of the layout on my PC.  If I use Photo CD for my 
pictures instead of my original Kodachrome slides, will I notice any 
difference in the image quality?
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.wanted
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Wanted: Lens for Nikon
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:09:15 GMT


Hi,

	If you have extra Nikkor lens or lens for Nikon, please let me
know. I am considering buying some not expensive lens for my Nikon bodys

	Thank you.

Eric
Xref: sparky rec.photo:21915 alt.cd-rom:5170
Newsgroups: rec.photo,alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Photo CD information - Picture Exchange
From: mcdonald@vax1.umkc.edu (Gary Lee McDonald)
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:35:21 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

In article <1992Dec9.183114.6456@kodak.kodak.com>, osuch@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such) writes:
>   NEW YORK, Aug. 25_Access to a vast array of images will be as 
> available as the public telephone network when the Kodak Picture 
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Exchange goes on-line next year.

As commercial ventures are now coming to Internet, it might make a LOT of
sense for this to be Internet-accessible.  There could still be a charge
(I can access dialog.com ... but not for free:-) ).

> [Kodak and Shoebox are trademarks.]
             ^^^^^^^
I'm sure my little hometown company, Hallmark, would agree! :-)
> 
-- 
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From: jay@intermec.com (Jay Schlegel x6878)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Filter/Optics Question...
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: jay@intermec.com ()
Distribution: world
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett, Wa.


   Well, I guess I'll go ahead and remove all doubt regarding my
ignorance of optics (something I truly desire to learn more about!).


   Question:  Is is possible to use a filter somewhat smaller than
	      the front element of the lens it's put on and avoid
	      vignetting by stopping down.
		 
	      Put another way, does stopping down result in a smaller
	      area of the front element being used to create the image.


-- 
-*jay  Jay Schlegel --> Intermec Corp., Everett Wa.
						     fluke!
	jay@intermec.com      OR  -->	    uunet!pilchuck!intermec!jay
Xref: sparky rec.photo:21661 misc.consumers:20524
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Wanted: Experiences with Mail Order Film Processors
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:15:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1gbju3INNacd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:
>I made the mistake of taking my work to a Kodalux - connected
>drugstore. They printed my B&W negatives on color film. Sure do
>look weird.....
>
   That's not weird, it's artistic!  Cast off the binders forced upon
yourself by the dictates of conformity and your whitebread Eurocentric
value system!

   Before news of this accident is propogated about the net, take your
prints directly to the nearest yuppie art gallary and sell them to the
curator.  I can't wait to see your upcoming exhibit at the MOMA and read
the interview in the Sunday New York Times.

:-) :-) :-)

   (I'm sorry.  I work on a college campus and am bombarded by tons of
truely awful but pretentious art.  I'm looked upon as weird because I
like sharply focused images occupied by identifiable objects.  Remember,
Pittsburgh was Andy Worhol's hometown.)

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 14:07:51 MST
From: <IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Dumb Photographers
 <1992Dec7.203046.7824@cs.UAlberta.CA> <1992Dec7.220148.25118@wubios.wustl.edu>
 <2319@sousa.tay.dec.com>

So true...they probably couldn't be considered photographers.  So what
shall we name them?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: gderti@dtc.kodak.com (Gzim Derti)
Subject: Looking for 85mm 2.8 AF Maxxum lens
Organization: Digital Technology Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:43:59 GMT


The subject line pretty much says it all.  The 85/2.8 AF lens is
pretty hard to find used so I was wondering if someone on the net might
be selling a used one with clean glass.  The new ones are pretty 
expensive.  I'm currently looking to see what's available here and from
actual used stores. (Getting the KEH catalog in the mail soon)

If you have such a lens please let me know.  The email
address is : gderti@dtc.kodak.com

Thanks.
Gzim Derti
(Say Zim Dair-tee)
((Aren't parents wonderful??!!))
From: rl@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Olympus Stylus Recommendations
Keywords: Olympus
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:51:37 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

n3022@cray.com (Jim Knoll) writes:

>I am thinking of getting a point-and-shoot instamatic-type
>35mm camera.  The one I really like is the Olympus Stylus.
>It is pocket size, has built in flash, auto-everything (focus,
>exposure, advance, and rewind), red-eye reduction system,
>and the list goes on.

>My goal is to have a camera that I can bring with to places where a
>35mm SLR would be too conspicuous.  Also, I want the camera to easily
>fit in my pocket.

>Does anyone have any experience positive or negative with
>the Olympus Stylus?

I bought one when it first came out, as a much lighter replacement for
my Olympus XA.  I liked it so much that I bought one as a present for my
wife when she went to Greece to visit our daughter.  She is not particularly
interested in photography, but returned with a large percentage of first
class photos.  The camera is light (~6.5oz with flash), the focussing and
other features are very good and it is delight to handle.  It has no zoom,
and the optics seem marginally inferior to the XA (which is very good indeed),
but for a pocketable camera which will produce very satisfactory results
it is hard to beat.  Sells for about $120 hereabouts.

My other camera is a Canon EOS 630 with two zooms.  It has seen much less
use since I bought the Stylus.

Bob Langridge				Phone: +1 415 476-2630, -1540, -5128
Computer Graphics Laboratory		               FAX: +1 415 476-0688 
926 Medical Sciences
University of California	                    E-Mail: rl@cgl.ucsf.edu
San Francisco  CA  94143-0446 
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From: ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.C. Loyd)
Subject: Re: Does Minolta X-700 allow shutter priority auto mode
Keywords: Minolta, camera
Reply-To: ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.C. Loyd)
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:46:30 GMT

While I do not know if the X-700 will do it, the Maxxum 7000 will.
--
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Rochester Institute of Technology       FAX:   (716) 475-5306
Rochester, NY  14623  USA               All-In-One: LOYD EC (@a1.isc.rit.edu)
From: bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Hasselblad Film Flatness
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:20:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, I can't let this one slip by the way I have avoided the A
debate on photo-l :-)

Hasselblads are extremely durable cameras and, to my knowledge, do not "fall
apart" for undue reason.  They last a LONG time (witness the condition of
much of the used hassey gear around (I have a 1960 500C body that has
shot more weddings that I am sure it cares to remember, has had 3 owners
(I am the 3rd and don't, thankfully, shoot weddings,  but I know the guy
who did, and he is NOT a delicate guy), and when I had it in for
an overhaul last year the total repair bill was $5.00 for one minor part
in the lens mount latch, and the cost of cleaning, lubricating
and inspection....I think the whole job cost me about $100.00 and that was the
first time in 8 years that the camera had been serviced according to the
records kept by the service people in Toronto. (one of the nice things
about owning a hasselblad is that the authorized service people keep a
history on the camera).

Are the lenses durable...yes.  Are they sharp??? yes.  Is the film flat?
yes.  I have had 6x6 images blown up to 20 x 24 and had professional
product photographers assume they were shot from 4x5.  I can see no
discernible difference between the resolution of my large format
lenses and the hasselblads.  Where you get the noticeable 
improvement is tonal range, and 4x5 and larger blows away 6x6, 6x7 and,
of course 35mm....

My film magazines are robust..I mean, I drag this stuff all over the place,
and it looks like new equipment, and I have never noticed an unsharp image
that I could trace to anything but my own inaptitude.

I have also seen a lot of work done with Pentax 6x7 and it is a great system
as well, and the lenses deliver excellent images.  Personally, since
I have a 4x5 and roll backs, and thus total modularity, I can't imagine
using a the Pentax 6x7...for my purposes I need modularity which the Hasselblad
and Sinar systems deliver.  I do have a friend who shoots mainly landscapes
and the Pentax 6x7 is great for him.

But really, all these extravagant claims..when you are deciding between
top stuff like Pentax 67, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Rollei and so on, the
basic excellence of the gear is a given, and it is the handling details
and suitable for various applications that are of importance, all
justifications and rationalizations aside...

brian
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu)
Subject: Re: 3 Questions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:14:51 GMT

In article <1gat99INNd51@crcnis1.unl.edu> kting@cse.unl.edu (Kea Ting) writes:
>
>  denis@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Denis Schiozer) writes:
>
>  >I would like some help in 3 subjects.
>
>  >2) The batteries for the 10s are good for only about 15
>  >   films. Is this normal?
>
>      Does the 10s have a build in flash ? Flash will eat up a lot of
>  lithium power. $10 (lithium cost) for every 15 rolls, is very expensive.
>  My maxxum 7000i with lithium can last 25-35 rolls of 36exp. (no flash
>  build in 7000!)

True, but you don't have to use it if you don't want!  You can always
get a flash like the 430EZ and use it instead of the built-in one to
get longer battery life.

>  --
>  soon
>
>  University Of                  Disclaimer :
>  Nebraska-Lincoln               I always speak for myself.

Thomas Wu
Internet:  tjwu@athena.mit.edu
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