HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: DEMONSTRATE at the UN for BOSNIA
Summary: YOU PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD ME
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:45:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Organization: Biology Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

I was probably misunderstood on the issue.  My saying that
something should be done for Bosnia does not mean that
nothing should have been done for Afghanistan or Iraq-kuwait.
I meant to say that those were weaker cases to declare
"Jihad" than the conditions prevalent in Bosnia.  The
reasons for saying so are clear:  The struggle for the
Afghan cause was a very noble cause; they were wronged by
the Soviets and so on, but they were not attacked due to
their being Muslims.  The Soviets had done it to others
too.  It was a moral obligation for people to oppose the
unfair attack of the Soviets, and to a large extent, to save
the Muslim cause, Muslims from other parts of the world
should have (and  did) helped Afghans in their struggle
to defend their nation of Afghanistan.  I was really
referring to fighting that lingers on to this day -- it is
not even against a non-Muslim government, but against
Muslim people.  This has no connection with Jihad.  Jihad
is a very misunderstood word, examples of which you saw
in the Iran-Iraq war -- both parties called it a Jihad.

I know that without any clarification, my article was
very unrefined, and might have hurt the feelings of
many Afghan brothers, for which I strongly appologise
to them.  I admire the zeal and unbending perseverance
with which the Afghan soldier fought, and marked several
indelible pages in the annals of defence against armed
aggression of a far, far more equipped enemy.  There is
no question about that, but I'd rather not call it
simple Jihad.  My appologies to you, and my best wishes
for you, that you establish a nation that will be enriched
with, not only the physical beauty that Allah gave to
the Afghan land, but also in all others fields of progress.
May Allah bless Afghanistan and Afghanis.

My regards to readers,
Rasheed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO)
Subject: Bosnian Problem
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:26:04 GMT

To Bosnian Moslems,
     All moslems around the world are sad and angry to what are
happening in Bosnia. All true moslems are supposed to condem the
actions done by the Serbian crooks and try to help as soon as
possible and as much as they can to prevent these crooks from
killing and destroying Bosnian people.  
     Moslems around the world  especially Bosnian themselves
should accept the reality that the United Nation does not 
do good job in solving muslims problems especially Bosnian
current dilemma and problems, and only moslems should solve
and help each other. In Moslem brotherhood, it doesn't matter
what color your skin or what country you from or what race you
from, it is our responsiblity to help each other.
     I should tell you a true story happening a long time ago
during the ruling of a companion of Prophet Mohammad. A batalion
of army was sent by the companion to invade a country where a
moslem lady was assaulted by a group of youngsters. I forgot the
country's name and the companion's name but you can read through
Islamic Histories. This thing shows to us that how close the
muslim brotherhood at that time.
     Unfortunately, nowaday there is very few of Islamic states
among moslems countries. So far only Iran, Sudan and Afghanistan
are the only islamic states and only Iran the stable islamic
state.

...to be continued..
From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: History of BiH Re: Who was in 'power'
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:03:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.100352U52148
 <92322.095150U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> <BxwnHx.553@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Look Rasputin, If you have a book tell me and I'll read it. But why
can't you get me a book to read on Chetnik (Serb) History? Because there aren't
any!! Ha! Ha! As far as the accuracy of my book... you are just pissed that
the sources of my book are also cited in other western sources. I'll bet that
in Budapest or Vienna, Cro history is documented like our book. So don't
come and cry over a book. Another thing, why is it that the book bothers you
so much? Is it because you've finally read Cro history? I also wonder
where in the Beogradski Pashaluk you must be from. Is it that you MIGHT
be from the short-lived Krajina region? I listen to Chetnik Radio. I hear
your Fascist songs one of which is "Crna Gora, Srbija, i Lika" I mean how
much more Fascist can you be? Does Cro history bother you THAT much? Does
the fact that when we were writing literature, and being western-oriented,
you guys were in a Pashaluk and were acting like cigani. The Serbs still do
act like cigani.


The Cheniks are sissies...
                                __
          )|(    -----      |__|__
          ---    -----       __|  |
          )|(

                ...as well as Fascists...


-Cro...A Western Oriented Person...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 19:10:20 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Bosnian Serbs propose changing name of towns



        BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (UPI) -- Serbian leaders in Bosnia-Herzegovina
are proposing to change the names of cities, towns and other locations
claimed as part of their self-declared state, the Belgrade-based Evening
News said Tuesday.
        ``We don't need names which will commemorate the death of Islamic
soldiers,'' Radoslav Unkovic, the director of a so-called Institute for
the Protection of Serbian Culture, told the newspaper.
        He said the names of cities and towns should serve as reminders of
how ``Serbian soldiers died for freedom with dignity.''
        The article also suggested renaming several towns and mountains
located outside of the so-called ``Serbian Republic,'' apparently
indicating that those areas were also targeted for conquest.
        All names ``that are associated with evil and where the Serbian
culture has been erased'' will be changed, Unkovic was quoted as saying.
        Among the towns planned for name-changes is the Bosnian capital of
Sarajevo, which Unkovic said should be called Kotormangrad or
Ninoslavgrad.
        Many intellectuals, however, opposed the idea.
        ``If we change the names of towns every 10 years, we will become
nameless,''said leading Belgrade author Momo Kapor.
        Kapor was referring to the fact that authorities throughout the rump
Yugoslav federation of Serbia and Montenegro have been renaming towns
associated with the late communist dictator, Josip Broz Tito, who was a
Croat.
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: History of BiH Re: Who was in 'power'
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:25:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxwnHx.553
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

<U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>In article <BxuztF.EF0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
>says:
>>
>>Crow's source for his B-H 'history' is a book called
>>'Croatia: Land, People, Culture'.
>>
>>It turns out this book is fanatically pro-Croatian, which puts
>>into doubt any objectivity it may claim to have.
>>
>>A very short list:
>>-it calls Pavelic an 'outstanding political leader' (written in 1964),
>>-says the Muslims in B-H are really Croatian,
>>-says the Orthodox in Croatia are not really Serbs,
>>-says the Croatians learned to use 'vulgar expressions' after
>>  WW I, and they learned this from the 'neighboring countries
>>  to the east' (i.e., Serbia)
>>
>>Here are the relevant quotes from the book
>>(my comments are in brackets[]):
>><stuff deleted>

>Well Rasputin, I'm glad to see that you can read, as well as look up things.
>The book gives its sources, so you needn't worry about the accuracy of the
>readings.

That was my point: just because it's a book
(and some of it's sources are books) doesn't mean it's accurate.
Holocaust revisionists publish lots of books.

And it's not a well-documented book; it makes tons of sweeping statements
that don't cite any references.

>If you know what a real history book looks like, then DON'T
>hesitate to let me know.

>-Cro...At least I give my sources...

Your statements imply you believe the 'facts' from the book
summarized above are accurate.

``so you needn't worry about the accuracy of the readings'';
what a joke.

--Branko
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: The New York Times Editorial - Nov. 20
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:25:56 GMT

wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:

>In article <92325.142724U15231@uicvm.uic.edu> <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>   But the struggle is far from over. Many Bosnians are now aroused
>>and armed.

And killed.  And treated like second-rate citizens in 'Herceg-Bosna'.

>By Croats.


--Branko
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: jhardono@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jumahadi is my first name)
Subject: Bosnian will be the second battle for mujahidin
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:47:19 GMT

To my brothers and sisters,..
	Believe me my brother that Bosnia will be the second battle for
mujahiddin. I mean mujahidin here is people who fight for sake of Allah.
There is a hadith (tradition) from book Radius Solihin (the most popular
hadith book) saying before the big signs of Qiamat (Doomsday) there will
be some events occur in order. The conquer of Jeerusalem (baitul
Muqadis) by Jews, a big fighting in Euphrate river, fire flames in 
desert, chaos by Christian Roman Byzantine close to Arab lands, terrible
fighting between moslems and christians. I hope you readers can glance
all these events and compare to the today and recent events.  
I wwould like to ppoint out some facts and try to relate the mentioned
events above with what was and is happening now.

Conquer of Jerusalem by Jews --> occured since 1967 and now.
Fighting in Euphrate River -->  occured in 1991 (Baghdad is located at
Euphrate River)
Fire flames in desert --> occured after Desert Storm war (fire flames
from oil well in Kuwait)
Chaos by Christian Roman Byzantine ---> ? today and recently...???
terrible fighting between christians and moslems---> ? after this ???

World War 1 aand II began around Sarajevo and Yugoslavia
World War III ---> ?

Crusade began at Italy which is close to Bosnia    ...
(Crusade is the war between moslems and christians around 1000AD.)

Macedonia -> the beginning of Alexander the Great empire --close
     to Bosnia and Yugoslavia

Greece - centre of Greek Empire

Italy --center of Roman Empire

refer to islamic historical wars:
	war between Persian Empire during Prophet Muhammad SAW
	war between Roman Empire during Prophet Muhammad SAW

Many Islamic scholars and historians say that Islamic histories
will repeat over and over.

	war between Persian Empire -- war in Afghaaanistan recently
because not only mujahiddeen from Afghanistan but from around the world
fights against Russian regime (the former super power military)..

	war between Roman Empire -- ? Russian collapse now... left
	USA and Eurpoean countries military power...

	arising of Islamic Spiritual and countries .. Iran, Pakistan,
Sudan, Afghanistan, maybe Algeria..and etc (Former Russian countries
like Arbaz.., Taajki...



A
A
...
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 13:43:49 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Chetnik@... e-mail address and its meaning for people of BiH


I was shocked when I saw e-mail address that starts with chetnik@..
on this group. That address is insult to all of us from Bosnia and
Hercegovina whose loved ones were being slaughtered in most bestial
way by chetniks, serb blood thursty forces, today and in 1941-45.

As a comparison imagine addresses nazi-ss@... , gestapo@... or
holocaust-is-OK@... appearing on soc.culture.jewish.

I can not start now with a list of chetnick's most grusome crimes (see for
example latest issue of The New Yorker, Nov. 23) but let me point our
their objective: EXTERMINATE MUSLIMS AND CROATS AND CREATE GREATER
SERBIA. Of course if some Serbs are against such policy and for multi-
cultural and multi-ethnic Bosnia and Hercegovina they knew all their
lives, those "traitors" will be killed as well.

To have guy with such address who claims to know the truth is at least
unbelivable. So, Andre Popov get out of here and watch how your Great
Serbia dream is turning to nightmare!!!

Zlatko Sijercic


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: olof@hummel.ericsson.se (John-Olof Bauner)
Subject: Re: Call It Anything but Peace
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.173205.14279@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
|> Andrej Brodnik (abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca) writes:
|> )I said:
|> ))Or maybe if the EC and the UN hadn't been in such a hurry with B-H.
|> ))I know you hate to hear it, but at that time there existed only
|> ))one sensible solution for B-H which could preserve peace. Today
|> ))there is no sensible solution at all.
|> )
|> )First of all, what was that solution you are referring to?
|> 
|> B-H should have remained in Yugoslavia. And before you object,
|> answer the question: could it have been any worse than this?
|> -- 
|> Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

Maybe a timely military coup d'etat, which could have included the bombing of
the beautiful city of Ljubljana if the secret police could not have acted 
in time, putting Kucan, Milosovic and Tudjman into jail would have been better
than this incredible mess we now have in the Balkans. According to Machiavelli
some early hard decisive violence is better than a drawn out conflict.

Maybe a big economic program earlier on from the EC would have prevented the
catastrophe, which had, after years of detoriating economics, among other reasons
economical ones. Unfortunately, the EC is more an organization for defending
national interests than taking responsibility for Europe.

Maybe the Balkans is and will be a hopeless case. Now the perspectives look
worse than gloomy.

Regards
jo
From: ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC)
Subject: Tomislavgrad
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:53:25 GMT


	Duvno was re-named Tomislavgrad in honour of the first
	Croatian King, Tomislav. King Tomislav was crowned on the
	Duvanjsko polje. 
		The name change took place after a referendum
	where the people of Duvno overwhelmingly voted for the
	name change. 
		This was also an important phase in Croatia's
	quest for freedom, the freedom which we enjoy today. 
	Many people see this event as a 'budnica'. The Croatian
	people of Duvno for the first time expressed what they wanted
	and this was a symbol that Croatia's 45 year occupation 
	will end. 

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: dmcanzi@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi)
Subject: Spot the Absurdity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:28:11 GMT

(Article from Kitchener-Waterloo Record, Sep 4, 1992)

	Women's groups plan protests at sex-choice clinic

Vancouver(CP)-British Columbia women's groups say they will stage
protests if a Toronto doctor opens a sex-selection clinic in
Vancouver.
     Amjad Alvi said in an interview Thursday he'll open a Vancouver
office within a month where parents can choose the sex of their
children for $500.
     But feminists say they'll fight him every step of the way because
of the tendency to select males.
     "We will demonstrate when this clinic opens," said Fatima Jaffer
of the Vancouver Status of Women.
     Alvi, 29, a Canadian-born doctor, said he uses a United States
technique to separate male- and female-producing sperm and artificially
inseminates the mother.  He claims a success rate of up to 80 per cent
in determining sex.
     "Basically he's marketing to the prejudice that already exists in
our society against women," said Sunera Thobani of Vancouver, head of
the reproductive technologies committee of the National Action
Committee for the Status of Women.
     "The provision of this kind of technology is really disgusting."
     Thobani called on the federal and provincial governments to ban
the technology, which she said discriminates against females before
they're even born.
-- 
David Canzi
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:48:09 GMT

In article <1ebkd5INNn1k@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:

>Robert, 
>
>I'm thrilled to death that you intend to occupy the moral high-ground.
>
>Now, the question is, do you intend to use a condom in your sexual
>encounters, or do you intend to complain afterward that the woman
>defrauded you?
>
>That *was* the context, after all.
>
>Not that this net has a whole lot of respect for context, but.......

No, it doesn't.  I answered that question, in the final two lines of
my post, which you deleted.

Of course, you may not have realised that this *was* the answer.


Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:48:08 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Nov22.215624.2642@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>>In article <By527E.F9@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>
>>> Repeated violent rape by men of other men, for no reason other than
>>> the rape itself, is more indicative of someone who has not come to
>>> terms with their own sexuality than someone who has.
>>
>>Seems like that would make it *more* likely to be a gay person; in a
>>predominately straight society it seems it would be is a lot easier for 
>>straights to "come to terms with their own sexuality" because there is no
>>opposition to it.

>Not-gay != straight.  Repressed homosexual desire?  Certainly.  Gay?
>You've got to be kidding.

I've got to say that I think that's a good point; but not good enough to
make me believe that the attacker isn't gay.  Or even better, let me put
it this way...if the attacker is NOT gay, as you say, then I'd say there
is probably a pretty good chance that he will BECOME gay eventually.
Is this any better?
-Doc

-- 
=============================================================================== The Commodore Amiga 4000 - 24 bit          16,777,216 colors (4096^2)!!         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buster: "Say goodnight, Babs."                                                 
Babs  : "Goodnight, Babs."                                                      I'm tiny, I'm toony, and I'm a little looney!                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren MacKenzie                                                                ("The Doctor")                                                                  890530m@aucs.acadiau.ca
===============================================================================
From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: WET DREAMS: How often? Why?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:16:57 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

>> Your average man who goes `completely' without sex, including pulling
>> his noodle?  Well, already, you're not talking average man.  You're
>> talking fantasy--
>
>Beg your pardon??  I'm 32 and still a virgin since I happen to believe  

My daddy used to say "There's two kinds of men, those that admit they
masturbate and those that lie about it".  Sure it's not 100% true but
damn close.

Peter B
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (Personal Experience)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:28:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

To provide food for thought I recount an experience I had last
Friday.

While on the way home from campus two young women stuck their heads
out of a minibus crawling along in the slow moving traffic and
shouted to me "What's your name". I was a bit surprised and didn't
respond at which point I was then accussed of being a pratt (their
words).

Initially I felt that it was somehow my fault for not being more
immediatelty friendly that I was (mildly) humiliated. It wasn't
until a little while later that I realised that it was actually
a case of sexual harrassment(although very mild)  and that I need 
not feel that I should have responded and that I was not in any
way responsible. 

		Aaron Turner	aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.dads-rights
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.210034.25011@fys.ruu.nl> johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.191141.11640@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>
>>#1 is incorrect. Under the Common Law, an illegitimate child was considered
>>"nobody's child", and had no rights to inheritance or support.

> ... Paternal support of
>children born out of wedlock has a very long history. Quoting from J.R.
>Gillis, ``For better, For worse: British marriages, 1600 to the
>present'':
[...]
>``Much later another Welshman remembered the customary way of dealing
>with a man who did not own up to his duties:
>	A few neighbours came together, took the child from the young
>	girl and took it down to the reputed father to bring up ---
>	and to show they meant business they had brought their guns
>	with them. If he did not want to bring up the child himself
>	--- and that was usually the case --- the girl could make a
>	better bargain for taking it back than she could otherwise
>	have done.'' [p. 131]


I'd move to Wales, then.  Just to have the opportunity to
bring up my child myself.  They wouldn't need the guns.

By the way, does this have anything to do with the term,
"welshing" on a debt?  ;-)

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:01:24 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1em1rfINNk9@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>times.  We should not demonize such people by calling them pigheaded.

	But if someone looses his job, or decides that he's had enough of the
big-bucks ratrace, he deserves jail for Not Supporting his Kids (and ex-spouse)...

>full cost of the children's transportation.

	The man should pay.  That's what he's for.
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: condoms
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:03:37 -0600
Followup-To: soc.men
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <4257@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) wrote:
> 
> In article <1eooc0INN4p5@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
> >condoms?  Weird!   I've heard arguments that men don't like condoms, but I
> >don't think I've ever heard one that women don't.
> 
> 	I've known :-) at least 2 who haven't.

Add five more to the list.  In every case they complain that condoms
take away a desirable texture.  What kind of sample is this?  5/40
in my humble experience.
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women