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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute Things They Say (4.0 yr)
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:43:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

schulman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jan Schulman) writes:

>On the way back from doctor office, Mom said to David : Wah! Doctor is
>great. He found out your problem right away and your are feeling better
>already. Do you want to be a doctor when you grow up and help little kids?
>
>David said : No. When I grow up, I want to be a Superman. Why don't you
>try to be a doctor when you grow up?

When Jeff was a baby he had a horrible raspy cough that went on for
months.  Actually, he still gets it.  We tried all sorts of treatments,
and nothing helped.  Anyway, when his big brother Alan played doctor,
it went like this:

	(listening to patient's chest with stethoscope):  You have a
	tewibble cough!

	(with a very concerned look):  I don't know *why* you have a
	tewibble cough....

When I told this story to the pediatrician, she was not amused.  >;)

		--  maggie
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:29:08 GMT

In article <1174.9212171747@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>

...   ...   ...

>Granted that some of the extremely negative responses
>I got were probably due more to my strident tone than
>to my point, but still, it occurs to me that, had I
>posted saying that it really irks me when some fathers
>call caring for their own children "babysitting", I
>seriously doubt the response would have been comparable.
>
>So - is this because most people agree with the latter?
>
>I think so, so I tend to doubt that the flames I got were
>based solely on my attitude -

Here we go again ...

Why does it bother you so much that some fathers want to be a part
of the experience?  I know my wife is always happier if I show more
enthusiasm.  If it's the terminology that bothers you, I'm sure your
husband will not mind changing the way he uses a few words.  Do you
think that by saying "we are pregnant", husbands are trying to deny
their wives some of the respect they deserve for what they are going
through?  You may be correct in some cases, but please don't
generalize.


>But in fact, I'd bet that at least *some* of those men
>who talk about "babysitting" *are* in fact *babysitting* -
>that is, that they really do feel that they are just
>filling in for the primary caretaker. In those cases, what
>irks me is not the terminology, but the attitude.

Relax and lighten up.  Don't take a bunch of words so seriously.
And don't generalize from isolated data points.  I agree that the
attitude you refer to is not to be condoned, but don't accuse
everyone of having that attutude because they use the terminology
you associate with it.


Chinna
THE BIG DAY: February 25th, 1993
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QUALCO/\/\/\/\         |
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: **> DISCOVERY TOYS <**
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:17:31 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.195542.5855@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, by johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (John Morris):
> (WARNING: This is about toys, but it resembles a sales pitch at the end.)
> 
	["non-sales" pitch deleted ]

> 
> Anyhow, if you'd like to see a catalog, send me some e-mail. 
> (Having a 6 month old, I don't normally get to read the net much... :-)
> 

Gee, I don't know how I could have considered this a sales pitch!

I don't mean to pick on John specifically but am I the only one who
finds the DISCOVERY toy agents the most obnoxious of the pyramid sales
pitchers? 

During the summer I took Alex to a neighborhood pool. The first time I 
went a  mother "gravitated" to me making pleasent small talk. The third
sentence out of her mouth was "Oh and I sell DISCOVERY toys". What a 
conversation stopper, she might have well said "Oh and I have commutable
tuberculosis". After several moments of silence,(having been subjected to countless
DISCOVERY toy pitches I knew better than to say "Really, what are DISCOVERY
toys?") I moved on to play with Alex.  

Undaunted, this woman proceeded to spend the next 2 hours "working" the rest
of the pool. She moved from one parent to another. She spent a lot of time at
the pool last summer. She was there just about every time I went.

I have bought some DISCOVERY toys an found them ok but overpriced. The thing 
that makes me mad about this outfit is that they do thier "cold calling"
at times when people are trying to enjoy their free time, like the pitch
at the pool described above. DISCOVERY agents seem to use social events
where parents bring their kids for a good time as fertile ground for sales
pitches.  I really think these people believe in their porducts and don't
mean to be intrusive, but this faith in their and the desire to share these
products with other parents blinds them to the rudeness of there 
client searches.

I don't know how people like the woman at the pool could shamelessly hawk
their products when I am trying to enjoy my family and possibly meet other
parents with like aged kids in a purely social setting. IF I WANT TO GO
TOY SHOPPING I'LL GO TO TOY-R-US NOT THE SWIMMING POOL!!!!!

I hope I have enlighted DISCOVERY toy agents rather than offended them but
I'm sure I've done more of the latter.  Under most circumstances I'm sure they
are nice people and caring parents. But when they start unsolicited sales 
pitches in social setting I feel they have violated my trust and humiliated
themselves.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Jeff Martin
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: it's happened again, or why mom's hair is turning gray
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1992Dec11.225855.26330@crd.ge.com>, kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
|> In article <11DEC199213025674@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
|> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
|> >Well, here it is two weeks until Christmas, and it has happened
|> >again. My daughter wants fake spiders from santa. Yeah, right,
|> >they're easy to find this time of year (not!). My son, yesterday,
|> >asked for a teddy bear ring.
|> ...
|> >Anyway, I guess I am not looking so much for advice
|> >as commiseration. Does this happen to anyone else?
|> 
|> Well, it coulde be worse.  My daughter has consistently been
|> asking for Zambonis and Backhoes.

Yes, it could be way worse.  My son wants a baby brother for
Christmas.

Judy Drake

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  Don Gato...all the words.
Reply-To: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:35:57 GMT

Here are the words as I remember them I was not the original responder.

Oh, senoir Don Gato was a cat,
on a high red roof Don Gato sat,
He was there to read a letter,
MEOW, MEOW, MEOW
where the reading light was better,
MEOW, MEOW, MEOW,
t'was a love note for Don Gato.

I adore you wrote the lady cat,
who was fluffy white and nice and fat,
there was not a sweeter kitty,
MEOW, MEOW, MEOW,
In the country or the city,
MEOW, MEOW, MEOW,
and she said she'd wed Don Gato.

Oh, Don Gato jumped so happily,
he fell off the roof and broke his knee,
broke his ribs and all his whiskers,
M,M,M
and his little solar plexes,
M,M,M
Aye Carumba cried Don Gato.

Then the doctors all came on the run,
just to see if something could be done,
then they held a consultation,
M,M,M
About how to save their patient,
M,M,M
How to save senoir Don Gato.

But in spite of everything they tried,
Poor senoir Don Gato up and died,
Oh it wasn't very merry,
M,M,M
Going to the cemetary,
M,M,M
For the ending of Don Gato.

When the funeral passed the market square,
such a smell of fish was in the air,
though his burrial was slated,
M,M,M
He became reanimated,
M,M,M
He came back to life Don Gato.

There they are.  Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate,

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Summary & Thank You: baby nursing schedule
From: copleyd@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:03:16 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

A week or so ago I posted a concern I had about my 4 month old 
daughter's shift in eating shedule.  I want to thank all of you who 
replied directly to me.  I was much relieved to see that 5 nursing 
times a day is perfectly normal at that age.  

Now she seems to eat at 7a, 12noon, 4p and then every hour or so 
throughout the evening until 8-9 and then goes to sleep.  Is she 
trying to tell me she misses me during the day?


Here is a summary of the responses I received:

Most babies eat 4-6 times a day at this age at 3-4 hour intervals.  
Most seem to be sleeping through the night for intervals of 6 or more 
hours.

Details on individual babies:

1.  A 4.5-month-old eats 20-22 ounces in a 10 hour daycare day.
2.  A 6-month-old eats every 4 hours, nursing at 8:00a, 8 ounces of 
cereal at noon, 4 ounces of veges at 4:00p with more or cereal and 
nursing, more veges at 8p and then a little later nurses.  Four 
feedings a day at 4.5 months.
3.  One at 4 months at at approx. 7a, 10a, 1p, 4p, 7p and 10p, 
basically every 3 hours.  Same baby at 6 months 7a milk, 10a solids, 
12noon milk, 3p solids, 7p milk and 10p milk.  She said I could 
probably nurse once during the working day when the baby takes enough 
solids to skip a feeding, about 1 month after beginning solids.
4.  This baby nursed: 6:30a, 5:45p, 8p and 10-11p, plus bottles of 
expressed milk at 9a, 11:30a, 1p and 3p.
5.  Morning, noon, homecoming, several times in evening and at 
bedtime, while sleeping 9-10 hours straight from about 3 months on.
6.  This baby was born the same day as mine.  His current schedule:  
3a, 6:30a, 9:30a, 12:30p, 3:30p 6:30p, 9:30p and has almost doubled his 
birthweight (15-16 pounds now).  Such a big baby!  Mine was half that 
size at birth--I'm jealous!
7.  A six-month-old:  5a breastfeed, 8a breastfeed, 10a rice cereal 
3-4 tbs w/breast milk, 12:30p bottle (4oz), 4p bottle (4oz), 5p 5oz 
first foods, 7p breastfeed, 10p breastfeed.  This mom said her ped 
said anywhere from 16-36 oz of milk is acceptable.
8.  Born exactly 1 year before my baby (8/14/91, mine 8/14/92).  
Nursed 6 times a day at 3.5 months.  7a, 11a, 2p, 5p, 7p, 9p.  Slept 
through the night at that age.  At 5 months had eliminated 9p and a 
daytime feeding.
9.  Another baby fed 4 times a day at this age.

--
Ellen 
Mommy to Emily (4 months old today!!!)
using husband's account
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal)
Subject: When To Turn Car Seat?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:45:23 GMT


I probably should know this from my first son...but, when are you
supposed to turn a backward facing infant seat forwards?  

Thanks,

Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dcornwel@ccel.mitre.org (Donna Cornwell)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: MITRE Corp. Reston, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:05:24 GMT

In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
|> 
|> A recent post contained the statememt: "My
|> wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
|> in naming the poster, as this is something I
|> read/hear quite often.
|> 
|> Now, I *know* it is meant to convey the fact
|> that the man  is involved, concerned, supportive,
|> etc.
|> 
|> It always annoyed me on principle, because it's
|> inaccurate. But now that I've carried a pregnancy
|> to term, it makes me crazy.
|> 
|> So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
|> pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
|> is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
|> sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
|> are not experiencing.
|> 
|> I know that if Michael had used this terminology, not
|> only would I not have considered it supportive - I would
|> have considered it as trivializing the pregnancy and
|> my experiences.
|> 
|> So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
|> being part of the team?
|> 
|> thanks, Dena


How about if they get a note from their wives/partners???  When
I ( or we :-)  ) was pregnant, my husband's life changed alot.
It was all I could to keep up with my job, night school, and
all of those doctor appointments.  John ended up with nearly all
the household chores as well as having curtailed physical and 
social activities as the result of being married to a big-bellied
slug.  And if he wants to refer to that time ( over two years ago,
now ) as when WE were pregnant, well bless his grocery-toting,
spagetti-cooking heart, he's welcome to.  

So, it seems like a household rather than a global definition
as to who is pregnant.
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From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: pacifier usage
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:25:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: UKCC.168BACAF0.BIOSEE
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <861@quirm.terminus.ericsson.se>
steve@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Reynolds) writes:
 
>
>Vicki (nearly 3) has been using 2 (at least!) dummies (if I can revert to the
>english!) since she was a few months old (1 to suck and 1 to stroke her nose with!)
>
>
>I don't have a problem with this as they certainly helped when she was very young
>and now are the only thing that calms her after a bump or when she is tired.
>
>The problem is now that her dentist says they are
>beginning to pull her top teeth forward and must go.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this problem with teeth? and is it a long term effect or
>will her second teeth come through straight anyway?
>
>steve
 
My brother had the same problem at about age 3.  In his case the authority
of the dentist was enough to make him quit.  He threw his pacifier away the
day the dentist told him PERSONALLY that it was going to mess up his teeth.
 
In the end he needed braces anyway but I don't think it was because of the
pacifier.
 
I don't know how much the dentist's word would mean to Vicky, but I'd try
to enforce the fact that he is an authority on teeth and that he knows that
it's a bad idea.  After all, she could still use No.2, because dentists
don't have an authority on noses....
 
Stephanie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: samuels@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Steve Samuels)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:06:30 GMT


In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com> you write:
>
>A recent post contained the statememt: "My
>wife and I are pregnant..."
>
>It always annoyed me on principle, because it's
>inaccurate. But now that I've carried a pregnancy
>to term, it makes me crazy.
>
>So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
>pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
>is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
>sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
>are not experiencing.

My wife is currently pregnant with our first (due Sunday, actually).
Being a psychologist, I was one of those fathers-to-be who thought all
that "coaches are very important" was a load of crap designated to get
the man more involved with the child so that he might do 1/10 of the
work around the house that needs to be done with a newborn (seeing as
women do pretty much 99%).  I never used the term "we are pregnant"
stating either "Dena [my wife's name] is pregnant" or "we are
expecting".

Yet throughout the early months, my wife constantly used the line "we
are pregnant" and even asked me point-blank why I didn't.  When I gave
similar arguments that you presented, she got very upset stating that we
were in this together and we should both expect the most special and
most difficult year of our lives.  In short, she hoped I would grow
comfortable using "we" as it would be of tremendous support for her.

Surprised, I did so, and you know what?  IT FEEL GREAT!  She was
absolutely right!  We go to all OUR doctor appointments, we go shopping
together, we read all the books written for pregnant women together (the
one's written for men are by and large pre-historic with such *helpful*
advice as "cook a meal once a week for yourself") (except _The_Birth_of
_a_Father_ by Cecilia Worth), and I have grown closer to my wife and
unborn child then I ever thought capable because of the simple phrase
"we're pregnant".

[I should note that I would have done most of the above things anyway.
But the change since I starting speaking in this manner has been
remarkable and has led me to do things by choice that I would have
otherwise done by obligation.]

Please don't inflict your choice on others.  If you feel the need to
limit your partner's speech for whatever personal reason, fine (IMHO
unfortunately for him).  Don't blow it for everyone else.  Let their
pregnant partner make that choice.  My suggestion to pregnant women
everywhere is please encourage your partner to say "we're pregnant", if
it pays off 1/10 as much as it has for us, it'll be worth it.

My wife and I... we're pregnant!

Steve Samuels
father-to-be due Sunday
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:37:23 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


More on the grinders - they have the added benefit of portability.  We
used to take ours to restaurants and just grind up some of our food
for the kids.
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Here a study, there a study....
From: swk004@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:51:40 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

Hmmm, let's see now.  We've got people citing all kinds of different
studies about circumcision.  We've got people citing studies about
cervical/penile cancer.  We've got people citing studies about
infant walkers.  Studies on ear infections.  Studies on ear tubes.
Studies on the rate of c-sections. Here a study, there a study, 
everywhere a study, study.  (Everybody join in now, "ol' misc.kids
had a study, eieio.....)

But more interesting, we've got people saying "no, that study is
wrong, the researchers failed to take into account that..."

Ya'll are making my point for me.  A study is only authoritative 
until the next one comes out.  Seems to me we ought to be using a 
whole lot more common sense about these things.

Connie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:18:22 EST

As a circumcised male who likes the ease of maintenance which circumcision
affords, who has found that it has not interfered with my sex life, who did
*not* spend a lot of time looking at other guys' penises in the shower, and
who intends to make sure that if our child is circumcised if it's a boy, I
have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
one who feels this way?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler)
Subject: Re: Christmas toys
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:41:48 CST

In article <1992Dec12.000522.1767@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
>I've got a 9 year old niece, and as it's been mumble years since I was that age
>I thought I'd ask some of you.  I've been avoiding the barbie doll-homemaker
>crap so far, now I'd like to get her a science kit of some sort.  Is 9 too
>young for a chemistry set, or microscope?  The packages say 9 and up, but I
>don't know how accurate those are.  What do you all think?
>
>Maybe I should just trust myself.  Last year I got her a kids encyclopedia,
>she said 'Yuck uncle Jim'.  My sister was telling me last month the thing has
>been with her since I got it, she loves it.  Bet that damn barbie is under
>the bed somewhere :-)
>
>To keep up my 'uncle from hell' rep I also got her a tiny microphone that
>xmits on a radio band.  I'll be sure to suggest places she can put it.....
>
>jim
>
>-- 
>Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
>Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>

First of all, I'm of the female persuasion.  Here is my experience.

Actually, I think I was younger than 9 when I got my microscope.  I also got
a set of prepared slides with it, divided into catagories such as "animals"
(included slides of the blood of different animals), "plants," etc.  I enjoyed
it a great deal for many years.

I think I was about 8 or 9 when my father bought an electronics kit to play
with.  I soon took it over from him.  My memory about this is a bit vague, but
it consisted of a board with various attachments (such as switches, a bell,
etc), wires and perhaps other parts to build different types of circuits on
the board.  It came with a small pamphlet that described resistors, transistors,
etc., and gave instructions for building the different types of circuits.
(It was powered by a 9 volt? battery.)  This was another favorite of mine.

You could also consider getting her _The_Explorabook_.  It is a spiral-
bound book of experiments for children at about this age, and has bound into
it all of the required items that aren't commonly found at home (such as a
magnet, etc.).  It's published by the people at the Exploratorium--or, at least,
it has something to do with the Exploratorium.

I bought one for my 8-year-old niece.  It looks pretty neat.  It's about $17.95
in bookstores.  I saw one at Barnes and Noble, if you have one in your area.

Good luck.

Coni
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pacifers! How can I get my 2 yr. old off of the darn thing?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:07:11 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

In article <27769@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>
>I don't know if it applied to pacifiers as well as to thumbs, but a
>newspaper article I recently read said that tooth damage from thumb
>sucking wasn't a problem until after 5 years of age.
>
>(I plan to keep reminding myself of Ann's advice.  I _HATE_ pacifiers,
>and Jordan loves his.  He's not quite 5 months old, but it's clear
>that he's very attached to it.  I tell myself over and over again
>"it's very hard to be a baby")
>
>--
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

Christine likes her pacifier, too.  When her first teeth came in at 6 mo,
I asked the ped. if I should wean her from it.  He said neither he nor
his dentists have a problem with babies with pacifiers.  He said if she
needs that to soothe herself, let her.   He also warned that if I try to
take it away from her before she's ready, she might start thumb-sucking,
which is a big NO-NO to him.  (No flame here, please, just his opinion).

Now at 1, Christine only takes it with the naps.

Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 1 yo
wang@optigfx.com