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From: cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: TeX fonts
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:15:33 GMT

In article <17NOV199220232332@rigel.tamu.edu>, spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
> cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes...
>> 
>>3) This can be found in files called 'hermetic.tar.Z' and 'hermetic.tfm'.
>>   You'll need both. Install those, and you should be OK. The .'. symbol is
>>   mapped to 'T' in the hermetic font.
>>2) These are also in the above font, but for some weird reason only about 5 of
>>   the glyphs have come thru' and are usuable. The astrological font I tend to
>>   use is called 'astrosym' and can be found on tex.ac.uk. It supports three 
>>   types of astrological font including calligraphic, bold and thin. Also has
>>   the glyphs of the planets.
>>1) The hebrew alphabet is also included included in 'hermetic', but doesn't
>>   appear to support the finals. Therefore, look on archie for a font called
>>   'hclassic' which is the standard Classical Hebrew font ( the one you tend
>>    to see in occult works ) and supports the finals. 
> 
> +-------------------------------------------------SubG------------------------+
> Yeah...I found the files alright, but the font craps out when I try to
> TEXROX anything--apparently there's something wrong with the .GF file
> (unexpected something-or-other bit).  Which is strictly the shits as far
> as I'm concerned.

Never heard of it, so I can't help you. Some versions of TeX/dvips handle the
inconsistencies in the font correctly. Some don't. Tough if yours doesn't.
Altho' you could try installing a different driver.

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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:12:21 GMT

ejsenter@eos.ncsu.edu (The Highlander) writes:


>Greetings to all in this newsgroup.  I have just started to scan through the 
>messages in this area.  I am quite involved in Magick and would like to meet
>others who are as much as I.  A little info on myself.  This is my second life
>and I have so far lived longer in this life than in my past one.  In this life 
>I am called Eric Sentner... in my previous life (407-425 AD) my name was 
>Calloman Drake Son of Caladon.  I lived in the Highlands of Scottland.  I am 
>now 18 years old, and have outlived my past life by about a month so far.  If 
>any of this sounds familiar to you, please write me.  I am looking for a couple
>of people.. one male, one female... to complete the Triangle which I must do 
>very soon for reasons which I will not go into.  Please write me if you know
>anything about any of this.

please either provide some proof of these statements, or keep your
juvenile fantasies off of this newsgroup.

josh
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:37:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.192847.10167@wam.umd.edu> angelai@wam.umd.edu
>(Angela I.) writes:
>>   joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>   >the important question to ask when you get into something like this is 
>>   >this: 'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past 
>>   >lives, or just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. 
>>
>>   However, if you use the experience (memory or fantasy) to learn to get 
>>   in touch with deeper or formerly hidden aspects of yourself, the
>>   "objective reality" of the experience is pretty much irrelevant.
>
>I don't know that this is true; it tends, at the very least, to be
>destructive of critical thought.
 
     So?  Critical thought is not an end unto itself -- it is a 
tool, and appropriate to only a catagory of applications.  What 
Angela has done is define a boundry of that catagory, saying that 
there are some cases where critical thought is inappropriate.  Of 
course, the argument is not necessarily valid outside the bounds 
of this case..
 
     Another way of putting the argument:  If the memories are of 
a bona fide past life, great!  But criticism would serve to 
invalidate your resolve..  On the other hand, if the memories 
AREN'T of a past life, then they were generated by your own mind 
in response to some need.  Criticizing the experience, deciding 
that the memories aren't "for real", and then using that 
conclusion as a basis for dismissing them out of hand (as has been 
Josh's habit for as long as I've read this newsgroup) leaves the 
need which your mind has brought to your attention unaddressed.  
Either way, criticism is counterproductive in this case.
 
     Your mind does what it does for a reason -- listen to 
yourself and act on what you learn.
 
     (And yeah, I'm back for a bit -- classes kept me away from 
continuing the threads I had going, but I still have copies of 
everything.  If anyone wants to pick up where we left off, I'm 
willing to do so..)
 
/---\ /---\ /=   /   ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
  =     =    = /    "Home is a place that keeps the rain off my computer"
  =     =    = \     B0 f- t+ w- g k s- m+ r- p-(++)     ______
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Hate is not a family value - Boycott Colorado              \/
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Crowley copyright question
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:22:33 GMT

In article <19NOV199200053473@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
>Is _The Book of Lies_ still protected under copyright laws, or has it
>found its way into the public domain?

 TO my knowledge, the OTO still holds ALL copyrights for Crowley's work.
You will notice that all text files I put on Slopoke of Crowley's work
(including the Book of Lies, I believe. If not, I can put it there) were
put into the computer by the OTO with permission of the organization.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women Vs Men
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:46:08 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <memo.750837@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
> oispeggy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..
> 
> 
> [..lots about womes roles in mediaval religious life deleted..]
> 
> What is the optimum role that you consider a medaiaeval woman could
> have held, given that any normal healthy woman with an active sex
> life could expect to be pregnant, or nursing a child, more or less
> continuously from her mid-teens to her mid thirties?

You're a victim of catholicism here.  Even in medieval times there were
choices between celibacy and constant pregnancy.  There are many forms
of birth control available even in those cultures, ranging from oral
or anal sex to the riskier ones like herbal remedies or nursing.  While
a lot of these (like nursing) aren't 100%, they can mean the difference
between 9 kids over the course of your childbearing years and 2 or 3.
I once read about a study where using olive oil and salt as a spermicide
compared favorably with most modern forms of birth control.  I always
wanted to try that sometime when I didn't care if it failed.  (The study
is mentioned in Reay Tannahill's _History of Sex_, I could be more 
specific if anyone cares.)   And if 100% effectiveness is required, 
then there's always what the Church liked to call sodomy.  This isn't
a matter of technology -- any culture that realizes that sex causes babies
realizes soon after that permutations are going to prevent pregnancy.
And usually some form of primitive barrier or spermicidal contraceptives
follow thereafter (although some of what they used sounds pretty gross.)
And then usually some type of herbal morning-after pill.  It's just
that in the supposedly advanced European culture the information was
suppressed, and sodomy was SODOMY after all, so you have this artificial
choice between celibacy and constant child-bearing.  Not technological 
at all, just cultural.  So women have really always had the same biological
freedom (or nearly the same) that they have now and that can't be used as
an excuse for past behavior at all.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
From: tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony Merante)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:31:49 GMT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

I myself am interested in magick also.It more or less has become a way of life
for me lately.  And I am eager to meet people of the same mind.  I also have
been getting into past-life regression.So I now plan to fly to my past life in
my dreams so I could see what he,(or she) was like and learn some lessons that
I may have forgotten ,and apply it to my present life.
Lately I have been reading alot of Crowley.But my intrests are not solely into
that.
This is all that I can say because I have to go.But I WILL be keeping in touch!


                    Blessed Be!   ENKI.
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Looking for a book...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:16:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

You could always try the (one-time) publisher:

Lyle Stuart, Inc.
120 Enterprise Ave.
Secaucus, NJ 07094

Thyagi
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Looking for a book...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:32:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov18.132310.28435@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd) writes:
> Does anyone out there know where I can find a copy of the 
> Anarchists Cookbook? The most recent edition if possible?
> 
> Michael
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                  If it walks like a duck, it must be a duck.
>                   If it barks like a dog, it must be a dog.
>                   If it flies and bites, run the fuck away!

Why are you asking about this on alt.magick and, more importantly, why are you
asking about it at all?

The book is jam-packed full of inaccuracies and downright dangerous
information. Save your money and, even if you want it for some non-useful
information, please don't give your support to such irresponsibility.

Thank you for your time,
--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Crowley copyright question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:05:00 GMT


Is _The Book of Lies_ still protected under copyright laws, or has it
found its way into the public domain?






















-SubGenius
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Crowley copyright question
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<1992Nov19.092233.8018@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:23:43 GMT


for many years all of crowley's stuff and all of the holy books seemed to
be in the public domain; recently (I suppose by merit of recent court
decisions?) the OTO seems to have aquired title. In a way, this seems
a pity, but things are the way they be.

josh
From: X-Caiver@iphase.infoserv.com (X-Caiver)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.infoserv.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Opinions needed on the future...
Date: 18 Nov 92  20:35:04 EST

/q
/q
 DtW> on Dec. 23, 2012, Magic returns to the world and 
 DtW> there is a Night of Rage...
 DtW> (i'm paraphrasing from rough memory, so i claim no close accuracy)
 DtW> leading up to this time, an increasing number of 
 DtW> births involving babies with
 DtW> pointed ears, or other 'deformities' have been 
 DtW> reported.  on Dec. 23, 2012
 DtW> (which, btw, is VERY close [tho a year off, i 
 DtW> think] to the Mayan date for
 DtW> the end of this World [a Mayan 'World', or Age/Eon 
 DtW> lasts approx. 5200 years]),
 DtW> magic hits the world no-holds-barred, the dragons, 
 DtW> who have been sleeping for 
 DtW> the past 5200 years, re-awaken, and lots of 
 DtW> generally earth-shattering types
 DtW> of things happen.
 DtW> Something like a Great War...  
 DtW> :)
ahh..I can`t wait. Finnaly a time that i will truly belong to. (hmm wouldn`t it be great: Dragons+computers!)
That is enteresting what you said about the Mayans. They knew so much more than we do now. If only we could figure out how they knew so much. They predicted thing MANY MANY yrs before they happened. They predicted all these space phenomina...amazing
Donald R.X. Pattee
aka Kerreyluge` the cleric

 * Origin: StarLight Acres BBS  <K.I.S.S.>  (904)-829-1442 (1:112/7)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<JOSHUA.92Nov22084718@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>
	<1992Nov22.192847.10167@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:07:02 GMT


In article <1992Nov22.192847.10167@wam.umd.edu> angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
writes:

>   In article <JOSHUA.92Nov22084718@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> 
>   joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

>   >the important question to ask when you get into something like this is 
>   >this: 'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past 
>   >lives, or just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. 

>   However, if you use the experience (memory or fantasy) to learn to get 
>   in touch with deeper or formerly hidden aspects of yourself, the
>   "objective reality" of the experience is pretty much irrelevant.

I don't know that this is true; it tends, at the very least, to be
destructive of critical thought.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Afican Magic
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:06:47 GMT+1
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

Mr Eshin-Fun,
             Have you read Byron De Prorok. If you have then
please comment theron. I think you will find references to
African Magic most illuminating.

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: tagi, kundalini, and AB's taciturnity
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:33:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <By0uM4.Mp4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:
> [lots deleted]
> 	If any of you have made sense of kundalini systems, I would love to 
> hear about it.  Even if I have to get humble and work hard.
> 

I can't teach you how to get that snake up, as I am unqualified. For
that I would suggest you find someone teaching kundalini yoga. I can
tell you why I think there are all these warning-labels on kundalini
raising.

This I have partially verified in my own experience. This energy,
whether it's kundalini or something else, amplifies the power of your
thoughts.  If you normally get a little bummed by something, you will
get really whacked out if you're doing this meditation. If something
makes you happy normally, now you get positively blissed out. So if
you've got any self-destructive tendencies, and most people I know
seem to have some, raising the kundalini is very problematic.

If you are not totally tight, if you are not impeccable, to use
Castaneda's language, it's like having a nervous twitch when you're
driving a Ferrari at 180 mph.

For this reason, to 'protect' people from themselves, most of those I
have seen writing or speaking on kundalini advise a seeker to find a
qualified teacher.

				-Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:24:33 GMT
Subject: Re: More Definitions of Magic
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Yet another definition (mine):

"Magic is the causality associated with specific altered states of
 consciousness."

Complements Dion Fortune's well-known definition (already quoted).

Colin
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Shaman(esses?)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:53:00 +0000

This is copied shamelessly from a pagan conference on a UK BBS.


   From comparative ethnographic records, shamanism appears to have been
   the province of shamankas (or female shamans) until the discovery of
   iron and the merging of the ancient sacred role of the smith with that
   of the shaman.  The sacred vestments of the shamans in many cultures
   show that there are performing a "female" task.  This is also quite
   apparent in the ancient annals of both China and Japan in which the
   shaman/priestesses also had a legislative role.  

   The Hebrew Bible also contains many examples of prophetesses who were
   accepted within the early phase of Israelite religion.  Deborah, who
   was both prophetess and judge, the prophetess Huldah and even the
   Witch of Endor.

   The relevance of the role of the smith was that the role provided man
   with the archetype of a creator.  While the Goddess-centred creation
   myths saw the universe as either the child or the living body of the
   Great Goddess, the later God-centered myths showed the universe as an
   object created by the God in his role as a smith, artisan or even potter
   or alternatively as the body of a deity who was killed by the Creator
   God.  While the bronze smith was revered in Bronze Age religion, the
   blacksmith, the worker of the dangerous metal, iron, had an ambivalent
   role.  This is why there was a widespread taboo on the use of iron and
   iron implements in the building of temples from the time of the Iron
   Age.  Iron, to the Bronze Age cultures, would have probably viewed with
   the same suspicion as nuclear energy does now.

Hope it was interesting
Leo

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: Ouija bored
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:21:29 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

##rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: 
: Needless to say, I was thoroughly let down. We couldn't get it to spell out
: anyone's life history or tell us it was Beelzebub, we couldn't even get random
: garbage, and we certainly aren't witnessing any intriguing possesion cases
: among the participants. What are we doing wrong?####

You're on the wrong net. You should stick to alt.satanism where you come
from, and belong.
Maybe the spirits you're trying to conjure with the ouija don't recognize
your credibility any more than people on alt.satanism do. (smile)

##: I should have saved my money....####

Yep! and our bandwith too. 

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ejsenter@eos.ncsu.edu (The Highlander)
Subject: Myself and Magick
Originator: ejsenter@c00082-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ejsenter@eos.ncsu.edu (The Highlander)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:57:37 GMT


Greetings to all in this newsgroup.  I have just started to scan through the 
messages in this area.  I am quite involved in Magick and would like to meet
others who are as much as I.  A little info on myself.  This is my second life
and I have so far lived longer in this life than in my past one.  In this life 
I am called Eric Sentner... in my previous life (407-425 AD) my name was 
Calloman Drake Son of Caladon.  I lived in the Highlands of Scottland.  I am 
now 18 years old, and have outlived my past life by about a month so far.  If 
any of this sounds familiar to you, please write me.  I am looking for a couple
of people.. one male, one female... to complete the Triangle which I must do 
very soon for reasons which I will not go into.  Please write me if you know
anything about any of this.

-- The Highlander
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:28:59 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <JOSHUA.92Nov23000702@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov22.192847.10167@wam.umd.edu> angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
> writes:
> 
> >   In article <JOSHUA.92Nov22084718@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> 
> >   joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
> 
> >   >the important question to ask when you get into something like this is 
> >   >this: 'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past 
> >   >lives, or just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. 
> 
> >   However, if you use the experience (memory or fantasy) to learn to get 
> >   in touch with deeper or formerly hidden aspects of yourself, the
> >   "objective reality" of the experience is pretty much irrelevant.
> 
> I don't know that this is true; it tends, at the very least, to be
> destructive of critical thought.

Not if you're aware of what you're doing.  Sometimes I've thought that
"entities" have told me things.  I'm 99% certain that it's my imagination
trying to tell me something, .05% certain that it really is whatever
entity it claims to be, and .05% certain that it's some other external
force teasing me.  Trying to get an entity to give me some information
that only it would know so I can test its veracity would be a complete
waste of time.  In fact, I think it would be naive and silly.  The only
thing that matters is what I was told, and did it make sense, and is it
worth acting on.  My critical thought is much better expended looking
there.  But I'm starting with the assumption that I'm talking to myself,
and the spirit/goddess/disembodied-whatever is just an imaginative metaphor.
I suppose if someone thought that their disembodied-whatever was a literal
thingie then they would want to check it out more carefully.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater