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From: libhes@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Heidi E. Schlenker)
Subject: Re: The Vanishing
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:02:57 GMT

In article <14dituINN7qg@agate.berkeley.edu> peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter D. Merholz) writes:
>An American version of this foriegn film is in the works, according
>to Premiere mag... Has anyone seen the European version? Is it any
>good?
>
>Peter M.

I saw the European version and thought it was very good.  It was considered
somewhat of a horror film in here in Atlanta although I didn't find it
to be necessarily as disturbing as it was billed to be.  I did think it
was an excellent film however and an interesting study in human nature.

Heidi

>
>


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From: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu (Douglas E. Quale)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Organization: Undergraduate Projects Lab, UW Madison
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:36:51 GMT

In article <64176@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>
>Well, for starters, they could have explained why oh why the T1000 was able
>to go back in time in a machine that only allows living things to pass
>through.

Cameron was asked about that once, and he laughed.  I don't know what
(if anything) he had in mind to explain that.

>Then there's the T1000.  It's a really neat idea, and it looks great on
>the screen, but I don't see it happening.  Take *any* material.  At
>a specific temp, pressure, etc, it will be in one state of matter.
>Not two.  Yet this thing constantly changed it state of matter regardless
>of the temp, pressure, etc.

This simply is nonsense.  There are many conditions under which it is
extremely difficult to place a label on the state of matter -- I suggest
you stick to movie criticism and forget physics.  Aside from the fact that
you're all wet, I agree that the T1000 is highly implausible (I really want
to say impossible).

>Then there's the fact that she can't accept the Terminator being on
>their side (not until the very end).  Why?  Someone who's been training
>for war as long as she supposedly has knows that the Terminator isn't
>the problem.  Sure, so one killed the father of her child and the only
>man she's ever loved.  But that's not a reason to hate/distrust the
>Terminator.  It's a tool.  It does what it's programmed to do.  Like a
>gun.  Had Reese been shot, I'm sure she would still own a lot of guns.
>I mean, this woman has a f**king arsenal, including a minigun, and yet
>she can't see that the Terminator is just another weapon, to be used
>by either side?  It's a crock.

Yeah, right.  I 'spose if a machine killed your roommate, your lover and
your mother (naturally you forgot about that, didn't you?) that you'd go
give it a big, sloppy kiss.

>Then, the fact that by destroying the building and the files, they
>destroy the project and Skynet doesn't get built.  Can you say
>"off-site backups"?  I knew you could.  They have backups of all their
>info stored away in a vault somewhere.  *Nothing* has changed.  The
>program can continue, minus one member (OK, so he was the leader.  He's
>not unreplacable).
>When you're that close to a breakthrough, you don't just scrap the
>program.

*Point* to evidence that they were that close to a breakthrough.
Once again, you're full of it.  They lost THE person who was to
make the breakthrough, and much of his work was done at home.  Where
do you suppose he kept HIS off-site backups?  They lost the terminator
components that they'd been studying.  Since they were still being
checked out of storage for further study I think it's safe to say that
they hadn't been completely analyzed yet, and off-site backups won't do
diddly for you here.
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From: markc@hpcvxjme.cv.hp.com (Mark Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Need Clockwork Orange Info
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:12:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Jul22.021222.5952
Reply-To: markc@cv.hp.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: UTD-CV Corvallis, OR

In article <1992Jul21.130421.17670@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness) writes:
> Can anyone refresh my memory - it's been a while since
> I last watched Stanley Kubrick's classic, and I can't
> exactly remember what music was used in what scenes.
> All I remember is that the William Tell overture finale
> was used in the hyper-fast scene. If anyone remembers
> the soundtrack details, please reply. Thanks.

Several other folks have mentioned some of the musical pieces
from _A_Clockwork_Orange_.  Now, it's time for the comprehensive
list. :^)

	* Music for the Funeral of Queen Marry - Henry Purcell
		(the title music for the movie)
	* The Thieving Magpie - Gioacchino Rossini
	* Theme from A Clockwork Orange - Walter Carlos & Rachel Elkind
	* 9th Symphony, 2nd Movement - Ludwig van Beethoven
	* 9th Symphony, 4nd Movement - Ludwig van Beethoven
	* William Tell Overture (abridged) - Gioacchino Rossini
	* Pomp & Circumstance March No. I - Sir Edward Elgar
	* Pomp & Circumstance March No. IV (abridged) - Sir Edward Elgar
	* Timesteps (excerpt) - Walter Carlos
	* Overture to the Sun - Terry Tucker
	* I Want to Marry a Lighthouse Keeper - Erika Elgen
	* Singin' in the Rain - Arthur Freed, Nacio Herb Brown
		(sung by Gene Kelly)

It should be noted that separate, abridged sections of both Beethoven
symphonies are used at least twice in the film, as are separate, abridged
portions of Rossini's William Tell Overture.  In some cases, they are
arranged for synthesizer by Walter Carlos, while in others, they are
arranged for and played by traditional instruments.

Later,

        Mark F. Cook

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From: bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Identify this movie
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:46:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

brougham@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Brougham) writes:
>the 1960's. It takes place on Mars (or perhaps a Mars-like planet).
>There is a survey team in spacesuits with respirators. They're walking
>through the sand dunes of Mars and they come across an artifact. 
>A small statue or somehing like that.

>Was this a dream I had or did this scene take place in a movie?
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Not from the sixties, but this exact scene is the opening of
the ninth episode of the BBC tv series "Star Cops" from 1987.

The episode title was "Little green men and other Martians".
	Bob.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Christopher Walken
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:26:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.145613.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

[ discussion of Walken deleted ]

> > 	A not widely known short (hour long for HBO if I remember
> > correctly) is "Who Am I Now?" with Walken and Susan Sarandon.  Quite good

[....]

> was called "who am I this time," but no matter. Since I don't get cable, and I
> did see it, I think it was on PBS rather than HBO. anyway it's one of my
> favorites.

So tell me.  What was it about?  Also, I don't remember what part
Walken played in The Graduate.

GMS
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From: chen3@husc10.harvard.edu (Hung Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Gus Van Sant
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:05:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul24.110545.14127
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul23.191320.7060@willamette.edu> amessing@willamette.edu (Adam Messinger) writes:
>
>What movies has Gus Van Sant directed in addition to "Drugstore Cowboy" and
>"My Own Private Idaho"...In addition what film school did he go to, his movies
>(camera angles, nutty dream sequences, etc.) remind me a lot of David Lynch
>and I was curious to see if they went to school together.
>
>thanks
>
>adam

His first feature before the two that you mentioned is MALA NOCHE (1986).
He has also made (at least) two shorts: THANKSGIVING PRAYER (1991), and
GUS VAN SANT'S DIARY (1984-87).

[Info from program of the 8th Annual Boston Gay & Lesbian Film/Video
Festival.]

Hung-Yut
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Philly in the movies
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:28:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>>
>>There are quite a few neat Hollywood allusions to Philly out there:
>>
>>   The famous W.C.Fields quote: "I'd rather be in Philadelphia"
>>
kiser@taronga.com (James H. Kiser) writes:
>       First, it is his epitath.
>
>       Second, it is: "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia."

I thought it was, "On the whole, I'd...."
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
?????????

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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: terminator ii
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:43:10 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MAB>Can you give a serious, well-thought, well-written critical analysis of
MAB>why you did not like T2?

     Aside from the points mentioned in the previous message, I can point
     out "T2's" major fault in two words:  Political Correctness!

     This whole movie was set up not to offend anyone.  We've got Ah-nold
     Schwarzenegger, the #1 movie star in America, in the sequel to the
     movie that made him a major player - and of course they cast him
     as the good guy.  We can't have "Ah-nold" playing the villain now,
     can we?

     This is why we have the idiotic final scene of the movie.  After
     Sarah Connor goes through hell and high water to blow the T-1000
     to hell, she JUST HAPPENS to run out of ammo at the crucial
     moment.  So what do we do now?  Oh, it seems the Good Terminator
     JUST HAPPENS to have an alternate power source, so that he can
     come back and save everyone.  This leads to the shamelessly
     tear-jerking final scene, complete with a thumbs-up to show everyone
     that the sacrifice was necessary.

     Two other plot points deserve mention:

     1) It is no coincidence that the T-1000 disguises himself as a COP
     for the entire movie.  Although the story tells us that it's not
     a real police officer, the image on the screen is very strong.
     These days, police-bashing is "in," and it's very fashionable to
     cast a cop as a movie villain, because it lets the studio make money
     off of the American public's fear of the police.  (Example: "Unlawful
     Entry.")  So in effect, we have a COP for a villain in "T2."

     2) That old cliche rears its head again:  A black man dies so that
     a family of white people can live.  If you take a close look at the
     movie, you'll see that the only time the police simply charge in
     and fire, WITHOUT yelling "Freeze" or "Hands Up" or "Don't Move,"
     is when they blow Miles Dyson - a black man - away.  This image of
     black men dying while the white people get away is so widespread
     in Hollywood movies - and it's been like that throughout the ENTIRE
     history of the movies - that the writers of that scene probably
     didn't even think that they were writing a cliche; rather, they
     were only writing a "dramatic death scene."  But it wasn't.
     (The "kill the black guy" cliche also appears in "Alien3.")
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From: kfree@fatcity.cts.com (Kenneth Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Zardoz (WAS Re: Wizards)
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:45:46 GMT
Organization: Fat City Software, San Diego, California

appelquist+@CMU.EDU (Daniel K. Appelquist) writes:

> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> > 'Wizards' was released in '77 -- at least four or five years after most of
> > the movies you cite.  By that time 'Zardoz' had put the lid on the genre's
> > coffin and 'Logan's Run' had nailed it shut.  IMO, it was trite then and
> > it's trite now. 
> 
> Hey!  I _LIKED_ Zardoz...  C'mon?  How many other films with Sean
> Connery and huge, flying, stone heads do you know of?  :)
> 
> Dan
> 
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> appelquist+@cmu.edu |issues, ftp to export.acs.cmu.edu (id:anonymous)

I enjoy Zardoz and Barbarella in much the same way. Some people
call this "slumming." 

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From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.music.misc
Subject: The soundtrack of Until the End of the World
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:23:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

I need some help with the soundtrack of this movie.

Can anybody tell me the name(s) of the Peter Gabriel
song(s) in that movie and which album(s) was/were it/they
taken from ?

I would also like to have a list of the songs/pieces
of music used in that movie and the artists who performed
them.

your help will be most appreciated.
thanks
d.
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From: sousa.intel.com!jreece@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: MGM (was: Myths or Movies? (Evil Dead 3, X-MEN))
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:29:00 GMT
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant


 reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

> There are only three studios in serious trouble - MGM/UA, Orion, and
> Carolco.  Of these, only MGM/UA is a major, long time player, and they
> are sort of in the least trouble of the three, as best as I can tell. 

MGM is really just a letterhead and a post office box, these days.
 
 
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From: ab4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anish Bharat Bhimani)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Love and Death (was Re: Woody Allen Film)
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:09:10 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.movies: 22-Jul-92 Woody Allen Film
Douglas Johnson@f31.n282 (456)


>LW>Every time I see Love and Death, I forget about the scene where I >they try
>LW>to kill Napoleon.  I've seen it many times, and it still makes me laugh
>LW>(a lot).
>
>My favorite bit is the scene is when the Napolean impersonator is
>introduced.  When the two Napoleans go off to the background to practice
>Napolean's walk they start fighting.

What about:

"Look! It's Sergei, the village idiot!"
"Oh yeah? What'd you do, place?


- Anish
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: blowing up baby
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:37:26 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

This message was from JOHN RICHARD JOHNS to ALL,
originally in conference TV.tiny-to
and was forwarded to you by ERIC WALKER.
                    -------------------------
Rather than (intelligently, smartly, wisely) study for my (murderous, killer,
ACME Mail-Order Bomb) ECE 301 Test, I instead (stupidly, ignorantly,
not-giving-a-hoot-ingly) went and confirmed my suspicions about the warehouse
scene in "A Quack in the Quarks."  Sorry, Disney, but Tiny Toons was the first
to combine a joke about Rosebud the sled and The Lost Ark of the Covenant in
the same scene.  As the picture pans to the right, it passes by some misc.
box, then "Rose Bud" and then as it reaches far right, with the huge crate
in the background, "Lost Ark" is on the right of the screen.

Hmmmm, should Disney be paying Warner Bros. royalties over this? :-)
"Hey!  You can't use that gag!  It's our gag!  We stole it first!"

- John


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From: tracadas@athena.mit.edu (Philip W Tracadas)
Subject: Extra in Bond Films
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:57:16 GMT

I just say For Your Eyes Only on WTBS and noticed that during the snow/
motorcycle chase that a fast cut is made to a guy holding a wine glass at
a picnic table.  I first noticed this same guy in the beach scene in The 
Spy Who Loved Me where the Lotus drives out of the water.  He is also in
the gondola driving scene in St. Mark's square in Moonraker.  

My question: who is this guy?  Is he a friend of the producers or one of
those in jokes by the director?

-phil
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From: richgu@microsoft.com (Richard Guion)
Subject: Re: Feminist perspectives on Batman Returns
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:45:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>On this topic, many people are bringing up the psychotic nature of Catwoman, 
>but I don't think anyone is really getting it.  No, Catwoman is not psychotic
>as a backlash slap on strong women.  Catwoman is psychotic because no one in
>their right mind is gonna dress up in black vinyl blowing up buildings and
>fighting Batman.  For that matter, no one in their right mind is gonna go 
>around swinging on buildings being Batman.  The context here is vital to the
>analysis of this issue.  If the male hero of the picture was a thoroughly

You have this part right!  The question of Batman's sanity has long been
a sub-context in some of the more well-written Batman comics.  He cannot let
go the single event in his life which changed it--the murder of his parents.
He has an obsessive compulsion to dress up as Batman and knock the shit out
of criminals.  If he isn't insane, he's deeply disturbed.

Catwoman is someone he is attracted to, because as he says in the movie,
she is just like him.  The event in her life is different--indeed, it's
no single one event, it's a series of oppressions that she has endured and
cannot anymore.  I thought Michelle Pfeiffer was brillant in this movie,
and I would have almost enjoyed seeing more Catwoman than the Penguin.

But I kind of have the suspicion that all these dark and disturbed characters
are too much for the non-comic book fans to take.  They would rather see a
lighter film.
>If you want to get into negatives, though, consider this:
>
>My memory is a little shakey, several weeks having passed since I saw the film,
>but what about the first scene with Catwoman in public?  She beats up the man
>attacking the woman (good thing) then attacks the woman for not doing it 
>herself.  Is my recollection shakey, or is this what happens?  Now THAT is an
>anti-feminist slap.

No, I have to disagree with you here.  What she is attacking is her own lack
of power and will she experienced in the beginning of the movie.  At the
beginning of the film she is saved by Batman from one of the Circus gang.  She
was utterly helpless.  When she makes her first appearance as Catwoman she
saves a woman being attacked in a similar manner.  She puts her hand around
the woman's throat and says something like "...You're pathetic, helpless,
expecting some BAT-MAN to save you..."  It's an obvious reference to her
own experience and her loathing of her own early helplessness.

Rich

>
>Comments?
>Brother Robert
From: csculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Candace S. Culhane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Really mega disappointment.
Keywords: music themes
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:00:05 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Having just seen the movie and having listened to Danny Elfman's
MUSIC FOR A DARKENED THEATRE, I would say that a lot of the music in
BATMAN RETURNS sounds like parts of SCROOGED.  I only saw EDWARD
SCISSORHANDS once, so that music isn't as familiar to me.


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From: jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Philly in the movies
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:48:21 GMT

kiser@taronga.com (James H. Kiser) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.111918.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>>
>>There are quite a few neat Hollywood allusions to Philly out there:
>>
>>   The famous W.C.Fields quote: "I'd rather be in Philadelphia"
>>
>	First, it is his epitath.

>	Second, it is: "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia."
   I should have included this in my recent posting on Movie Legends.
The legend that W. C. Field's epitaph reads "I'd rather be in
Philadelphia," or, by some accounts, "I'd rather be here than in
Philadelphia," is not true.

   Source:  myself.  I've been to his grave. 
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From: tcb@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tim Bennett)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:11:20 GMT
Subject: Re: ? about phrase in Apocalypse Now
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
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From: rba@xgml.com (Roy B. Amodeo)
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:21:17 GMT


When I was watching Thunderheart, there was a scene in which Val Kilmer's
character was seeing visions of an encampment of native north americans
from the past (1800's?). Someone behind me commented that Mr. Kilmer
must be having flashbacks from the Doors movie.

(It helps if you've seen the Doors movie.)

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