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From: pinder2@newton.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Justin Pinder)
Subject: DiskImages of old Apple games
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:22:48 GMT




        Well, I dusted off my old Apple IIgs and I've decided to try to
make some disk images out of my 1000+ floppies that have been sitting
around since I had my Apple II+. I figure if no-one will post those old
classic Apple games like Droll, Cannonball Blitz, Starblazer, Situation:
Critical and all the great arcade games they made for the Apple II series,
I might as well do it myself than let them decompose in a dusty old disk
box.
        If anyone can tell me how exactly I can go about this, I'd appreciate
it. I've seen some assorted text files but I haven't made much sense out of
them. I have a null modem cable (somewhere around here), but I don't have much
as far as software goes. If anyone has succeeded in doing this, or knows how,
please drop me an email.. Thanks.



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From: unknown@apple.com (Matt Ackeret)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: The days ..
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:08:14 GMT
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Dec16.183721.17939@netcom.com> Kevin Gwarada,
keving@netcom.com writes:
>I believe its great to revive the apple (so to speak) on my IBM.  I believe
>I've had more fun with that machine than any other (mostly because all the
>concepts are new, everything now is just based on what was done before)
computer
>I've used Including my Amiga, and IBM.  I heard somewhere that there is an
>excellerated 6502 for industrial purposes (somewhere around 10 Mhz)-- If

Besides high speed 6502s (rumor from years ago is that it's the only
CPU certified to be implanted into the human body), Sanyo re-engineered
the 65816 to 14 MHz, with normal power specifications.

There were a couple college kids who a few years ago tried to redesign the
65816
and from their calculations (I don't know how fast samples got.. I had heard
around
13-15 MHz), they could have gotten up to 20-25 MHz. Hmm.. wonder if they ever
got
in touch with Sanyo, since they seem interested in using the 65816 for a PDA.
From: small@cirrus.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: I have old apple disks
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:56:44 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA




i have a bunch of old apple disks packed away even with 
a compressor.  Now I would like to turn these compressed disks into

disk immages,  but I no longer have my apple.  Just my ibm pc

(286 clone whatever)

any suggestions
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tfiske@qualcom.qualcomm.com (T.J. Fiske)
Subject: Switching Disks in the a2emulator
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:03:55 GMT

I have been transfering programs over to the PC for the past couple weeks
and I am amounting several .DSK files in my apple2 directory.  I have no
problem swapping the start up D1 and D2 disks, it can all be done by
manipulating the files with a batch file.  The problem I have is that some
games require several disk images, and therefor need the disks switched during
the running state of the emulator.

Has any one come up with an idea on how to swap disks from inside the emulator?

And any ideas why the emulator won't run in a window's shell?

Thanks,

	-- T.J.

Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: iam@stiatl.salestech.com (Ian Mercado)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of...
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:58:41 GMT

vera@fanaraaken.Stanford.EDU (James S. Vera) writes:

>gazo@server.uwindsor.ca (ozaG .S luaP) writes:

>>	I just want to sleep at night, so if someone could actually say "it
>>absolutely, due to technical difficulties, cannot be done", I would be able to
>>stop thinking of nasty assembly routines to decrypt Apple disks...

>I'm not absolutely sure, but I believe the problem is that Apple
>drives are variable speed (spinning faster on the inner tracks) while
>the PCs use constant speed drives.  So its not physically possible for
>the PCs to read the Apple diskettes.

What if you have one of those Copy II Deluxe Option boards installed?

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From: karvonen@cs.joensuu.fi (Jarmo Karvonen)
Subject: Apple II text to IBM Help!
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:14:47 GMT

I have now Apple IIc and Apple II (old) discs and PC.
Apple IIc don't read old Apple II discs?? Why not??
I plan to print them and receive to PC (RS232).

Do i need old Apple II to do this?? Or CP/M only??

Help me... one book to move... 600 pages... :-(help)

Jarmo Karvonen
karvonen@cs.joensuu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: jberger@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Berger)
Subject: Re: How come apple.exe misses the ROM file?
Keywords: ROM apple
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:11:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.181319.25936@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>I have just downloaded apl2em-2.zip. It lacks the ROM file.
>Where can I get the ROM file?

I wish I knew.  I'm also looking for a Super Serial Card ROM file, 'cos I would
like to download ][ software directly to an image file.  Does anyone know of
somewhere (pref. an ftp site) where I can find these?  Also, I would like ROMs
that actually *work* with ver. 2's support for mixed graphics/text modes.  And
(this is beginning to sound like a list for Santa, isn't it) I would also like
a cartridge file (call it 80COL.CRT) for the extended 80-column/RAM card.  Any
help?  Thanx...


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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:25:40 GMT

In article <102805@netnews.upenn.edu> lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Lionel Ginzburg) writes:
>I think it would be possible to read Apple *3.5* inch disks in IBM
>drives, but if my memories of the Apple are correct, it shouldn't be
>possible to read 5.25 disks directly.

Hmm, I think this is backwards...  Apple 5.25" 140K disk drives spin
at the standard 300 rev/sec.
The more recent 800K 3.5" Apple disks have variable speed drives and
cannot be read by regular IBM equipment (however, they do work dandy
in a Mac).

>I don't think it's a speed thing.  It's possible to play with speed--
>Atari disks rotated at 288rpm when correctly calibrated.  Apple disks
>weren't TOO far off from that.  And we must consider that DOS 3.1 for
>the Apple was written by the same people who wrote DOS 2.0 on the Atari.

I don't know, but the variable-speed in the Apple (II & Mac) 3.5" disks
does make them impossible to read in an IBM drive.
Since the 5.25" disks spin at a constant rate, the only problem I can
see is getting enough control over the IBM drive to read (and translate)
the foreign sector patterns.
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:53:38 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) writes:

>OK now listen everybody. An IBM controller can be programmed to read
>pretty much anything. On IBM 3.5" you can read apple 1.4 and 800K,
>ensoniq, amiga, atari, akai, sinclair (and probably a lot more). Programs
>exist for all these.

There are many, many people out there searching for a program that can
read and/or write Amiga format disks on an IBM controller.  They have
been unsuccessful in locating the program.  You claim that such a
program exists, so, where is it??

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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Drive speeds (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:17:22 GMT

In article <vera.724891828@fanaraaken.Stanford.EDU> vera@fanaraaken.Stanford.EDU (James S. Vera) writes:
>
>I'm not absolutely sure, but I believe the problem is that Apple
>drives are variable speed (spinning faster on the inner tracks) while
>the PCs use constant speed drives.  So its not physically possible for
>the PCs to read the Apple diskettes.

      Apple II 800K disks (3.5") are variable speed (GCR encoding, etc..)
so they are physically impossible to read on normal IBM equipment.

But, the old 140K (5.25") disks, which most of the classic programs and
games for early Apple IIs came on, had regular 300 rev/sec (single head)
drives.  I'd think it would be possible to read those on an IBM 5.25"
drive.

      I'm not sure how exactly IBM drives store information, but any
copy of the Copy II+ manual has fairly extensive descriptions of how
information is put/read on an Apple II disk.  5x3 encoding, 6x2 en-
coding, prologues, epilogues, etc....
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From: rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: APPLE II EMULATOR?       
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:31:59 CST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r


What's the deal with the new Apple II emulator?  I heard
something about it on another newsgroup, but don't have
any particulars.

I'd like to know-
        - level of emulation?
        - where can I get it?
        - source code available?
        - OS/2 version planned?
        - speed relative to Apple II

I also heard one little tidbit about a program that will
allow one to read Apple II disks directly on an IBM? Is
this a hoax?

Thanks!

Mike Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us )
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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:07:26 GMT
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Well, I can read IBM disks in my Laser 128, my IIgs, and my II+.. I can also
run XT programs at 8+mhz.. Although I need special hardware to run the XT
programs, I can read MessyDOS disks in software..
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:16:51 GMT

Francois Dion (dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA) wrote:
: OK now listen everybody. An IBM controller can be programmed to read
: pretty much anything. On IBM 3.5" you can read apple 1.4 and 800K,
: ensoniq, amiga, atari, akai, sinclair (and probably a lot more). Programs
: exist for all these. On 1.2M you can read GCR or MFM. Varying speed is not
: a problem, you just change the gap for each track. You also need to know
: the number of sectors/track. Then you of course need to align yourself.
: You'll also need to synch your code depending how low level you need to
: go to read correctly.

You're full of shit. For one thing, you can't read all those disks with a
cheap-ass IBM MFM drive, or else, II users everywhere would have $50 drives
instead of $400 drives. You don't know what you're talking about, and a
Timex/Sinclair doesn't even HAVE a 3.5" Drive... (does it?)

Ensoniq? Akai? Are you talking about Musical Keyboards? If so, I'm lost, but
if you're talking about the Ensoniq 5503 Chip, I'd just as well assume you're
some dumb snot-nose elementary kid that owns an overpaid IBM and thinks it's
better than anything in the world because his daddy said so.

No offense, dude.... This is an alt.* group, what do you expect?
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)
Subject: Re: USCD disks to any other format
Organization: Netcom; Renegade User
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:21:19 GMT

In article <92357.133815CMS@psuvm.psu.edu> <CMS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Need to convert some Apple II UCSD files to almost any
>other format.   If I could convert them to DOS or PRODOS
>then I can do the rest.    Anybody remember how to accomplish
>this task?


    \_/
     |es.  Get a copy of the latest Apple II 8-bit system disk.  It
 includes the Apple II System Utilities program, which allows you to
 read Apple (UCSD) Pascal and Apple DOS 3.3 disks and copy files from
 them to ProDOS.  The current 8-bit system disk is at version 3.2.
 It's probably available as a BinSCII/ShrinkIt file on the Apple FTP
 site.  (If any of you IBMers really want a copy, find a copy of
 sciibin.c, which will allow you to unBinSCII the file, and then find
 a copy of NuLib, which will allow you to unShrink it -- I believe
 NuLib can create disk images.)
     _
    (_)f course, if you have or have acces to an Apple IIgs, you can
 simply get System 6.0 and use the Apple Pascal File System Translator
 in it to read Apple Pascal disks directly from any 16-bit application.

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:38:15 EST
From: <CMS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: USCD disks to any other format

Need to convert some Apple II UCSD files to almost any
other format.   If I could convert them to DOS or PRODOS
then I can do the rest.    Anybody remember how to accomplish
this task?
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: schow@bcarh2d8.bnr.ca (Stanley T.H. Chow)
Subject: PC reading Apple2 disks (was Re: Does anyone know of...
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:24:20 GMT

In article <BzLFvL.L5s@ecf.toronto.edu> tee@ecf.toronto.edu (TEE LUNS) writes:
>     I wouldn't be at all suprised if the CopyIIPC option board (remember
>those?) could be sweet-talked into reading Apple II diskettes.

I am sure this can be done. In my dim memory of reading the manual,
they specifically mention that since the Option board reads flux transitions,
they can do any encoding including GCR (that Apple2 encoding). It would
be really great if someone wrote the s/w to interface the option board
to the emulator (I would volunteer except that I don't have the option
board did not come with programming manual and that I have a kid not, so
no time for hacking.)

ALso, since the option board can handle 1.2 meg drives, I see no reason
why one could not handling half-tracking. This should let the emulator
run almost all protected software (yes, I know about the funny synchronised
read/write stuff that some apple s/w uses; yes, I have a plan that should
work).


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From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.162540.16813@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>Hmm, I think this is backwards...  Apple 5.25" 140K disk drives spin
>at the standard 300 rev/sec.
>The more recent 800K 3.5" Apple disks have variable speed drives and
>cannot be read by regular IBM equipment (however, they do work dandy
>in a Mac).

OK now listen everybody. An IBM controller can be programmed to read
pretty much anything. On IBM 3.5" you can read apple 1.4 and 800K,
ensoniq, amiga, atari, akai, sinclair (and probably a lot more). Programs
exist for all these. On 1.2M you can read GCR or MFM. Varying speed is not
a problem, you just change the gap for each track. You also need to know
the number of sectors/track. Then you of course need to align yourself.
You'll also need to synch your code depending how low level you need to
go to read correctly.

And if you think i'm blowing smoke, some of you may recognise me as
an active member of several mailing lists, where i regularly
contribute hardware and software solutions. I will not do it, cause it can 
take lots of my time, and my time is too precious for that, since there
is a solution already. You can even use the joystick connector inside the
Apple (not the one behind the machine) and use the annunciators and buttons
as i/o. I had done in 1984 a communication program to connect to my
accoustic coupler on the Digital DecwriterII thru the TTL 20MAS interface.
It could be done also with RS-232 with a simple voltage converter. Of
course dont expect more than 300 bauds... You could also use the cassette
ports and a sound card (like the SB or GUS) to encode/decode FSK.

>I don't know, but the variable-speed in the Apple (II & Mac) 3.5" disks
>does make them impossible to read in an IBM drive.

NOPE!

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From: vera@fanaraaken.Stanford.EDU (James S. Vera)
Subject: Brief summary of DOS 3.3 and ProDos commands
Organization: Program Analysis and Verification Group, Stanford University
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:13:00 GMT

After querying the NET, I've put a brief (and error ridden) summary
of some DOS3.3 and ProDos commands up for ftp from
wilbur.stanford.ed:/pub/apple2/apple2-OS-commands 


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:42:24 EST
From: <CMS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Apple II disk to IBM

If you still have the Apple II, a program called Crossworks
from SoftSpoken of Raliegh, NC, 919-870-5694 will do the job
nicely.   The package consists of a cable, and programs that
run on a PC and the Apple II using the serial ports to
transfer the files.


If anybody has a few files to convert, I have a setup and
the program that I would be willing to do a FEW files for
some one.

In addition to ASCII files, the program will handle smartly
Appleworks, and WordPerfect files smartly.

The program cost less than $100 if you have a big use for it.

If you need to convert CPM Apple II files, I have a program
and procedure call CPMXFER that runs on the Apple II which
will convert from CPM to DOS.   From there the rest is easy.

If you have 3 1/2" PRODOS disks a program that runs on the
MAC will convert Appleworks files to the MAC.

By the way, I only have 5 1/4" drives on the Apple II that
I have.
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)
Subject: Re: Reading Apple disks in IBM drive (was Re: Does anyone know of...)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:44:00 GMT

In article <Bzo803.22t@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:
>Francois Dion (dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA) wrote:
>: pretty much anything. On IBM 3.5" you can read apple 1.4 and 800K,
>: ensoniq, amiga, atari, akai, sinclair (and probably a lot more). Programs
>You're full of shit. For one thing, you can't read all those disks with a

Listen little boy, watch your language. I have been helping users around the
Internet since 1988, and have never been wrong. I have been several times
misunderstood, tough... 

>cheap-ass IBM MFM drive, or else, II users everywhere would have $50 drives

As you know most controllers are MFM/FM.

>instead of $400 drives. 

It has nothing to do... The apple II controller is not compatible with
IBM floppies, but it has nothing to do with the subject. We are talking
about FDC chips. Get your facts straight.

> You don't know what you're talking about, and a
>Timex/Sinclair doesn't even HAVE a 3.5" Drive... (does it?)

WHERE DID I SAY TIMEX/SINCLAIR??? i said sinclair, a portable computer
based on the motorola 68000. They had 3.5" floppies.

>Ensoniq? Akai? Are you talking about Musical Keyboards? If so, I'm lost, but
>if you're talking about the Ensoniq 5503 Chip, I'd just as well assume you're
>some dumb snot-nose elementary kid that owns an overpaid IBM and thinks it's
>better than anything in the world because his daddy said so.

FYI, i have 2 macs, several IBMs (from XT to 386-33), 1 apple iie (i also had
a ii+ and lots of collectionnable items like PDP, DEC (even a COCO).
And yes my latest IBM was a bit overpaid because i had to buy it from a
University Coop in 1989 (the 386-33). The same thing applies for the Apple II
and Macs. As for keyboards, you can come anytime to Montreal and i'll show
you that i can read my Ensoniq EPS16+ with my IBM. 
I'm also looking at Oberheim and
Emulator II floppies to be read by the IBM. 

(And my daddy as you put it prefers Macintosh to IBMs...)

>No offense, dude.... This is an alt.* group, what do you expect?

Respect. Ask first, then flame. Not the contrary.

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