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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:55:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd) writes:

>I've heard a lot about Chromium Picolinate recently especially on TV and
>in the newspaper.  They say it tends to prolong life (but I never really
>got an understanding of how).

Well, if helping you unload excess fat and get healthy prolongs life...

>I was wondering what foods you get this
>from, and for taking supplements, I've never seen this in any drug store
>to buy it off the shelf.  Does anybody have any info about Chromium
>Picolinate.  I may just be way off base... :)

Chromium Picolinate isn't a natural substance. It was developed by the USDA
and is only available as a supplement, and you have to go to health food
stores because it's not one of the 'common' (i.e. easily marketed) ones.

Now, if you want to get natural chromium, it's available in many meats, also
in black pepper and thyme. USDA studies have shown, though, that you simply
don't get a lot of chromium in your diet naturally. There's also some
question about how well the body assimilates various forms of chromium. The
advantage of Picolinate is that it's biologically pretty active, and there
are some supplements on the market that have chromium, but are basically
inert forms that simply pass through. So not all chromium is alike.

There's been a fair amount of discussion of chromium in the last couple of
days. See my postings from yesterday in the "supplements!" thread.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Suntan pills?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.160515.8081@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>I noticed several ads for suntan pills 
>containing cathauxrin (I'm sure I've spelled it wrong) costing about 
>$19 for a hundred.

Canthaxanthin is a carotenoid, chemeically related to beta-carotene.
However beta-carotene is a vitamin-A precursor, and canthaxanthin
is not.

>Do these things work?  

Well, they turn you orange.

>Does the color induced (if any) protect from sunburn? (my real reason for 
>getting a tan).

They do not.  It's just like eating too many carrots over a period of weeks,
except that the resulting skin coloration is more reddish.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Fitness through making music?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:59:31 GMT

In article <horwath.723933245@geode11> horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:

>Well, clearly, if you want a TOTAL body workout, you should
>take up classical organ. I mean, with what other instrument
>do you get to play with your feet?  :)  I certainly can
>work up a good sweat playing such a beast. I will admit,
>though, with organ, the key action is mainly in the
>fingers. Piano involves more of the strength and weight in
>the arm and, therefore, would contribute to a better upper 
>body workout.
>
>I have it on good authority that more than one of the
>frequent contributors to this newsgroup who are well
>accomplished in weight training are also quite
>capable at the (piano) keyboard. Perhaps one of you
>gentlemen would care to comment?  :)
>
>-George
>
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>

keyboard work is extremely aerobic, particularly if one is going to tackle
one of the organ symphonies of c.m. widor ( i think #5 is especially
brilliant, i believe.)  years of keyboard work can do for the hand muscles
what years in the gym does for everything else.  having said this, i think
arm and shoulder work is good for pianists, as well developed arm mucles
allows more consistent
and powerful control when executing very energy consuming pieces such as
the brahms or tchaikovsky concerti (#2 of each composer is very difficult
in this regard).  perhaps sir arthur henry baker would like to comment?

ciao, 
poobear
From: derry@sfu.ca (Andrew Derry)
Subject: Re: Why?
Followup-To: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
Organization: SFU
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.132820.5755@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James
Meritt) wrote:
> 
> 
> Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
> interest in improving yourself.  Why?
> 

I would have thought that obvious, and indeed, the questions should be to
people who do _not_ want to improve themselves:  Why not?

However, in case you were serious... improving yourself should make you
feel better about yourself, and may even make others think better of you..
two very good reasons, I think.

--
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cruel trick on them, but they lack the intelligence to comprehend the
magnitude of it.
                                        -Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Subject: Re: Why?
Followup-To: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:56:43

In article <1992Dec17.132820.5755@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James
Meritt) wrote:

> Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
> interest in improving yourself.  Why?

Because:

	o having more cells than the other guy will bring all the girls 
	  screaming to me - NOT

	o every new bench record equals the ego-trip of having sex with
	  a nymphomaniac

	o it's fun to buy new jeans all the time (because the ones you bought
	  two months ago don't fit anymore)

	o you can get the title "the officer with the biggest ass" from the
	  privates (if you have to go to the army)

	o you can impress girls when having dinner ("Who else is coming? YOU
	ARE GOING TO EAT ALL THAT???")

There are more, but I'm hungry.


	
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bwf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (bernard.w.fecht)
Subject: Videos for sale
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:48:03 GMT


I have a brand new copy of "Pumping Iron" that I'd like to sell.
Also, I have the three-video set of Mike Bridges powerlifting
videos (Bench, Squat, and Deadlift) that I'd like to sell as
well (Bench and Squat viewed a few times, Deadlift copy is brand
new.)

Pumping Iron: $20.00
Bridges: $40.00

bwf@ihlpm.att.com

ps: you used to be able to get "Pumping Iron" for something like $40
    thru Ironman mag (I think).  Normally its $60.00 when you get it
    by special order from a video store.  The Bridges tapes run
    something like $105.00 mail order.

pps: if you are interested in powerlifting, the Bridges tapes are good,
     and in general viewing tapes like these are useful (seeing form is
     much better than reading about it) if you don't frequent a good gym
     where there are lifters who know what they're doing.  I'm not sure
     they're worth $105.00 though.  Of course, to each his own.
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Suntan pills?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:44:34 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

>I noticed several ads for suntan pills 
>containing cathauxrin
>$19 for a hundred. 

> Do these things work?  

It works on canaries, where it's fairly standard practice for red factors.

I do hope you enjoy being orange, though.

>Does the color induced (if any) protect from sunburn?

I wouldn't think so, since it's not a melanin reaction, but effectively a
dye.
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: knees and stair machines.
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:39:12 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

A lot of people do themselves a permanent injury on stair machines,
but according to my doctor and the physical therapist at my health
club,  they are not so dangerous if used properly. Most people don't
use them properly. I think peer pressure is the number one reason;
looking around and seeing other users with their machines on too high.

1) STRETCH! STRETCH! STRETCH! Get loose before getting on the machine.
It can help to use another machine for a few minutes warmup and
cooldown.
2) Start with SHORT STROKES. Start the machine on low and warm up.
Rapidly moving to long strokes can cause pulled muscles. It is better
to work to a plateau and keep at that plateau for the whole time, not
to do the interval or random training.
3) DON'T lean forward and DON'T put weight on your hands! Stand up
straight, abs in, and try moving your hands as you would when jogging.
You will look around and see every other user with their wrists at a
 godawful angle, going twice as fast as you will be if you do it
right. If you can't lift your hands, you have the machine too high. 
Go by your heart rate, not by the computer display. 

Again, this takes a little willpower. One thing that helps is to get a
set of small hand weights and do basic hand work. This increases your
aerobic workout without adding much stress to the knees, it keeps you
in the correct upright position, and it looks impressive. 

My doctor emphasized that my knees were getting hurt when they are at a
45-degree angle or smaller. I have an injury to the cartilage. Any
activity which pounded on the knees would hurt. Using the Stairmaster
at a steady rate, with a good stretch and a good warmup, is working
for me, although my recovery has been slow. The doctor urged me to
exercise rather than to let my muscles wither, although I can't do as
much as I had been doing. 
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:11:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

I have my books handy, including a neat new reference I just found called
THE DOCTORS' VITAMIN AND MINERAL ENCYCLOPEDIA by Dr. Sheldon Hendler (PhD
biochem from Columbia, MD UCSD, med school facility UCSD, nutritional
advisor USOC and AARP). It's basically a survey of the research for all of
the various vitamins, minerals, herbs, additives and other toys we all know
and love.

He tries to take the claims made for any given item and compare them to the
scientific literature (updated to about 1990, so it's pretty recent) to see
whether there's any validity to the claim. He also discusses side effects,
contraindications, if/when you should supplement and in what amounts. He
considers both the "all supplements are horrible" and the "supplements are
neat, eat lots and lots" camps idiots and judges on an item by item basis
using scientific research. Has a great bibliography, too.

(isbn: 0-671-74092-X, Fireside/Simon and Shuster)

dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:
>In article <17467@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec10.134942.3939@clark.dgim.doc.ca> dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:

>>Boron is supposed to help raise
>>testosterone production by up to 300%.  BULLSHIT!

There is one study that shows that boron doubled the testosterone level in
post-menopausal women. Well, when you double zero....

there's no data indicating boron is useful for anything.

>>Chromium picolinate
>>is supposed to help potentiate insulin to allow more proteins and carbs into
>>muscle cells.  Well, it does but not much.

There's lots of data that Chromium is useful for various things, although
most of the research on fat catabolism postdates the book. I've posted
various things about it, but the book notes that it's been known since the
50's that chromium was very useful for blood sugar regulation and helping
out diabetics, but people more or less ignored the data until recently.

>What about the ingredient, Yohimbe Bark? Its supposed to be a banned
>substance here in Canada as far as I know.

Yohimbe has been shown in controlled double-blinds to improve performance of
both psychological and physical impotence.

There is one study (Polish, not well controlled) that showed that Yohimbe
could help women lose weight (3.9 pounds a week for control group, 5.3 ounds
per week for the supplemented group). there's not any data that implies
it'll work for men, or a repeat study to verify the claim. Hendler feels
that it needs to be studied further, but recommends against using it since
so little is known about it.

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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:16:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Hmmm..  Just to put in my numbers:

I'm 164 pounds.  I just recently did 225lbs for 21 reps (no bouncing or
cheating).  I'm maxing around 360 (340 with a powerlifting pause).

						-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:18:33 GMT

In article <horwath.724347676@geode11> horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:
>
>Let's have a little unity here, eh? Weight training in all its forms
>is fun and can bring health benefits to those who partake. One such 
>benefit being increased strength. Each picks his own avenue of
>expression; one is not better than the other.
   
True.
  
>As for the following statement:
>
>>Also you're probably all bodybuilders and everyone knows bodybuilders 
>>are nowhere near as strong as they look.
   
Seeing what I said in print mayhap I can see why some people are
upset. What I meant was bodybuilders are not the strongest athletes.
As you point out below strength is not the point in bodybuilding.
I apologize for very poor phrasing. What I wrote sounds very rude
upon re-reading it.
  
>As a mental exercise, certainly "pure" bodybuilding and strength are
>unrelated since bodybuilding contests don't use strength as a judging
>criterion. Yet, in reality, strength and size are connected.


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: muchor@fuw.edu.pl (Krzysztof Muchorowski)
Subject: sauna
Keywords: sauna,fitness
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:07:06 GMT

Hello everyone,
   I have a question about sauna, nobody mentioned that during last few
months, during which I read this group. Perhaps a few knowledgeable ones
could drop some (scientific ?) info on the subject. I guess saunas are
quite popular everywhere and people know quite a lot of things to share
in this forum.
   My questions, to start this thread, are the following:
     1. What is the influence of sauna upon regeneration of our body after
heavy workout ? Or after aerobic exercise ?
     2. What are the optimum conditions of sauna (temperature, duration
of stay, number of cycles "hot sauna-cold shower" etc.) ?
     3. How often (per week, for example) can one attend sauna without
negative side-effects within a longer period ?
     4. What should rather be avoided or at least looked at with care ?
Should people with heart problems use sauna like everyone else ?
    
And so on (maybe others also have good questions). My impressions are that
I really like about 30 minutes of rather hot sauna and it makes me feel
wonderful on the next day even after very heavy workout. Without sauna, 
I would feel just tired. I do not experience any problems with it, but
I do it only once per week (on Fridays, so that my weekend starts in such
a nice way :-) ).

  Krzysztof

.nosig
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:35:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Dec15.173400.21152@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>No, fatty acids are transported into the mitochodrion for metabolism
>as bound to l-carnitine.  L-carnitine is the transport mechanism, if
>you will.  Free l-carnitine and fatty acid are regenerated inside the
>mitochondrion.  It has nothing to do with the blood stream.

[stuff deleted]

>Anyone who thinks that chromium will help them lose weight or gain muscle
>should just take a supplement of the recommended dose: 200mcg/day.  That
>should quickly disabuse them of any notion that this supplement has any
>role to play in treating human obesity.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer

Well, it's about time you showed up.  Where have you been?  Anyway, if anyone
wants to know about the biochemistry involved in a lot of these compouds,
Steve is the one to ask.  He does site references when asked.

I don't know everything, but in general, I know what works and what doesn't.
For what I want, increased muscle mass and reduced fat, do chromium or
boron really work?  Negative.

If Steven Dunbar wants to challenge my credibility, try the chromium.  See if
it does anything.  I KNOW I am right even without siting references.  Try
Vanadyl Sulfate, I KNOW that works, but it depends on who you get it from.

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sdunbar@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com  (Steven T. Dunbar)
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.170508.16516@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein) writes:
> Two years ago I lost 70 pounds, and have successfully kept it off since  
then.
> By doing a lot of Stairmaster, step aerobics, walking and swimming, I
> have gotten down to a body fat percentage of 18 (I am female), but I still
> have flabby upper arms and stomach (where I used to carry a lot of the
> extra weight). Is there anything I can do to tighten up these areas short
> of losing extra pounds? Because I am comfortable with my weight as it is
> (122 -- I am 63" tall), just not with its present rather lopsided 
> distribution!! Any suggestions much appreciated.
> 
> Jamie Bronstein
> 

This is just speculation on my part, but maybe you answered your own
question.  You said "Tighten up these areas..."  Perhaps some moderate
upper body weight lifting for your arms and some crunches for you
stomach would smooth things out some more.

Steve
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From: tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Tom Gross)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Ergomania
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:39:39 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision


	I've been rowing on an Erg machine for about a year,
	and for the past five months or so I've been doing "600 calorie"
	workouts about 6 days a week.  I set the distance remaining to 
	9999 and row down to 0 in about 46 minutes.  My best time is
	43:40, and if my total calories is less than 600, I'll row some
	more to round it up.  With the holidays now I've been making
	a effort to do this every day, and I've done this workout 
	every day for the past 12, for example.

	I'm wondering if there is anyone else out there who does
	this kind of workout?  where am I going with this?  it's getting
	to the point where I'm not really breaking into a sweat (sort of!).
	will I be doing this for the rest of my life?

/tom