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From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:21 PDT
Subject: IPS:Mexico:Vatican Relations Re-Est
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800314:000:1329
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Sep 26 12:21:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: IPS:Mexico:Vatican Relations Re-Established

/* Written 12:10 am  Sep 24, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "MEXICO: VATICAN DIPLOMATIC RELATION" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Europe, western
Title: MEXICO: VATICAN DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS ESTABLISHED


rome, sep 21 (ips) -- the vatican and mexico have re-established
diplomatic relations after a 125-year interruption, the italian
catholic church news agency 4agi' reported here monday.

it described the resumption of relations, which will be at
the ambassadorial level, as a ''historic'' event, ''after nearly
a century and half of hostitlity, characterised by grave
persecutions (against the church) until the 1930's.''

agi said pope john paul ii and mexican president carlos
salinas de gortari had pledged every effort to bring about a
resumption of diplomatic relations.

it described salinas as a man of dialogue and of realistic
vision.

the vatican provided an information package to the news media
about the activities and scope of the catholic church in mexico.

of mexico's estimated 86 million people, 91.7 percent are
catholic. (ends/ips/tr/sp/ip/jp/ug/it)



Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: cortes@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Enrique Cortes-Rello)
Subject: Re: ** Le Gusta Poesia **
Summary: :)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.161717.20288@wam.umd.edu>, aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
> In article <17689@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
> >En <1abiodINNlkd@girtab.usc.edu> Ron Echeverri dice
> >
> >>In article <17678@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> >
> >[correction of post deleted]
> >
> >>>Si, puede mandarnos sus poemas pero, por favor sientese y corrija este 
> >>>parrafo antes de enviar sus versos.
> >
> >>Joder, hombre.  La persona dijo que queria practicar su espanol.
> >>No hay necesidad de sobarle la llaga.
> >
> >Yo no estoy sobando nada, solo quiero que vea cuales son sus problemas de 
> >sintaxis/semantica.  Si no quiere que lo corrijan que lo diga el mismo. Como 
> >dice un viejo dicho espan~ol: "La letra con sangre entra".
> >

Oh Gran Edelmiro:

Gracias con tu paciencia con nosotros,
los pobres pendejos del mundo(esto es, el resto de los seres humanos que
habitan este planeta). 

No  tienes la menor idea de como hemos aprendido de tu gran sapiencia
en todas la ramas del conocimento humano: politica, ortografia, el arte
de la discusion , la ciencia de la logica. Te haz consagrado como uno de
los grandes semi-dioses de USENET, junto con BIF, carasso y otros grandes
sabios  de nuestro tiempo (dada tu onmiscencia estoy seguro que sabes
quienes son BIF y carasso). Estoy seguro que eclipsas a Einstein, Turing,
y a otros pseudo-genios que tienen mas en comun con los pobres pendejos
del mundo (nosotros) que con los grandes semi-dioses.

Gracias, Oh grande de los grandes, oh sabio entre sabios por dignarte
mandar estos mensajes llenos de sabiduria y amor por el mundo. Creo
que nosotros, los pobres pendejos, no los merecemos. Olvidate de 
nosotros, creo que no te comprendemos. Propongo crear el grupo:

alt.semigod.unique.superman.wedon'tdeserveyou.edelmiro

para que AHI puedas impartir tu sabiduria. Dejanos solos, oh Gran Edelmiro,
no te merecemos - no pierdo la esperanza de que en un futuro,
 cuando la humanidad
haya evolucionado probablemente podamos entenderte.

con gran admiracion,

ENRIQUE :)
-------------------------------------------------------
Thais: mandanos tus poemas - no todos somos supergenios :)
       como Edelmiro (El Grande - Czar del Universo)
From: ez007856@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Cuba: Torricelli bill oposition
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:13:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


David Sangurima  posts:

>14. US CONGRESS APPROVES NEW RESTRICTIONS ON CUBA
>The "Cuban Democracy Act of 1992"--also known as the Torricelli
>bill for its principal author, Rep. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ)--
>passed the House of Representatives on Sept. 24 by a vote of 276
>to 135. Virtually identical legislation passed the Senate by
>voice vote (24 to 61) on Sept. 18. 

[...]

>The bill is almost assured of becoming
>law, since it is supported by both President George Bush and
>Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton;

You see Lazaro, that is not only the Cuban American Foundation who supports 
the Bill, but the totality of the Amerian "people" through its elected 
representatives and chief executives.

>[...] But not all Cuban dissidents
>approve of tightening the embargo; dissidents Elizardo Sanchez
>and Gustavo Arcos, who still live on the island, asked that the
>embargo not be reinforced, saying that it would lead inevitably
>to a worsening of repression in Cuba. [ED-LP 9/25/92] And four
>dissident groups inside Cuba sent a joint message to the Congress
>and US government on Sept. 24, advising against approval of the
>bill. "The policy of strengthening the embargo removes the
>possibility of a peaceful solution of the bilateral disagreement
>and of the grave domestic crisis that we Cubans are suffering,"
>the message said. It was difficult to believe, added the message,
>that "the policy of economic strangulation is inspired in the
>desire to better the situation of human rights in Cuba."
>"The most just, wise and urgent thing is to open all the channels
>of collaboration with Cuba that are possible with the end of
>normalizing and stabilizing the domestic and foreign situation of
>our country," continued the dissidents' message. [ED-LP 9/25/92
>from AFP]

Does anybody know if SOMEbody in Cuba publicly supports the Bill?  Given the 
case that prison sentences for dissidents are now becoming surprisingly "stiff" 
(15 years in prison) and that authorities consider the bill "diabolical", it is 
of no surprise that any inteligent person must condemn the bill in order to 
continue barely operating in "public" and not be sent to prison for 15 years 
for supporting the plans of the devil.  If I were in Cuba right now and 
somebody asks me what my opinon was on the Torricelli bill I would answer:

        "It's a clear-cut case of yanqui imperialist agression, which attempts
        to destroy the gains of our revoultion by hardening the illegal 
blockade
        which stunts the development of socialism and threatens the cuban
        nation which Jose Marti so adamantly tried to defend from capitalist
        monopolies..."

Then, I would go my way and do everything that is within my means to overthrow 
my government...

Fortunately, I am not within an arms legnth of Castro, and I can speak freely 
on this matter...

Edelmiro
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:58 PDT
Subject: Re: Cuba: Torricelli Bill passed!!!
Nf-ID: #R:ucdavis.ucdavis.edu:17552:cdp:1473800319:000:727
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Sep 27 16:58:00 1992



Otro ejemplo dudosas actividades de la "Cuban American National
Foundation" que demuestra sus intenciones hacia los supuestos intereses
latinos --

Jorge Mas Canosa le dio $4,000 al Rep. Solarz de Brooklyn en su campan~a de
ganar un asiento en un nuevo distrito"disen~ado" para incrementar la
representacion latina. Pero, afortunadamente los $2 milliones de Solarz no
pudieron "comprarle" el puesto que fue a una Puertorriquen~a Nydia Velasquez.
Los fondos de los 5 candidatos latinos no se comparaban a los de Solarz

En vez de que una minoria pequen~a pero muy vocal dicte una politica EEUU.
vista por muchos como ilegal (el embargo y la intervencion) se deberia 
permitir el intercambio de commercio e idea

En paz,

David
From: rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: ** Le Gusta Poesia **
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:51:18 -0700
Organization: <censurado>
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <17689@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@othello.ucdavis.edu escribe:
>En <1abiodINNlkd@girtab.usc.edu> Ron Echeverri dice
>>In article <17678@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu escribe:
>>>Si, puede mandarnos sus poemas pero, por favor sientese y corrija este 
>>>parrafo antes de enviar sus versos.
>>Joder, hombre.  La persona dijo que queria practicar su espanol.
>>No hay necesidad de sobarle la llaga.
>Yo no estoy sobando nada, solo quiero que vea cuales son sus problemas de 
>sintaxis/semantica.  Si no quiere que lo corrijan que lo diga el mismo. Como 
>dice un viejo dicho espan~ol: "La letra con sangre entra".


Ya le veo a Edelmiro bajandole los pantalones a su hijo y pegandole una
azotaina por escribir "Mi papi se llama Ebelmiro".  'Es por tu bien, hijo'.

(agregue carita feliz, si es necesario)


>Pues fijate que si no se conoce el disparate, se aprende el disparate.  Yo 
>entendi perfectamente lo que quiso decir, lo cual quiere decir que el poeta ya
>puede comunicarse en espan~ol.  Ahora bien, si lo que quieres es "propagar el 
>lenguaje", hay un grupo especial en el USENET apropiado para este tipo de 
>propagacion a donde lo puedes referir.  Creo que se llama K-12.Spanish o algo 
>asi.  Alli puede encontrar todo tipo de pen pals hispanos y correctores a 
>tiempo completo, al cual puedes unirte tu tambien.


No hubiera bastado eso, entonces?  Aun mejor, por correo.  Andar anunciando
en publico es algo bochornoso para la persona...


r. echeverri
From: rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: ** Le Gusta Poesia **
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:50:53 -0700
Organization: <censored>
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <17678@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Permitame entar en su vida para un momento. M gusta escribir las
                             ^^^^             ^^               ^^^^
>>poemas y quiero saber si alguien mas le gusta escribirlo o leerlo. Si
                         ^^^                             ^^       ^^
>>no le gusta, quiza quieres conversar de otra cosa. Solamente quiero
            ^^            ^^                     
>>practicar mi espanol y poesia

>Si, puede mandarnos sus poemas pero, por favor sientese y corrija este parrafo
>antes de enviar sus versos.

Joder, hombre.  La persona dijo que queria practicar su espanol.
No hay necesidad de sobarle la llaga.

R. Echeverri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa)
Subject: Re: 12 DE OCTUBRE: NO CELEBRAR LA MASACRE!!
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:36:05 GMT
X-Posted-From: mathlab-gw.pi.sunysb.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu



Quiero recordarle a todos los Latinoamericanos de toda la

basura que hemos sido ense~nados al crecer en Latinoamerica.

El 12 de Octubre NO se debe celebrar, eel hacerlo es el celebrar 

la masacre de los verdaderos due~nos de esta tierra; la esclavitud

y explotacion de el pueblo por siglos enteros.

Todos aquellos que sienten simpatia por los Nativos-Americanos y su

cultura -nuestra cultura- sabran el no celebrar dicha funesta fecha.


yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu

-Hate and Discontent are the pillars of a Revolution-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:54:00 GMT


 
        Hola Folks,
 
        Me llamo Gilberto y soy el co-chair de La Causa, el grupo Latino de
Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
possibilities of electronic communication.  
 
        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
or if you have comments for thelist administrator,  all you have to do is send
a note to the following address:
 
        LATINO-L-REQUEST@AMHERST.EDU 
and say that you want to join.
 
        While you are subscribed, if you want to send a message to the entire 
membership of the list (like a piece of interesting news, a question you might 
have, an announcement that might benefit Latino students etc.) then write to:
 
        LATINO-L@AMHERST.EDU
 
        In case you are not interested, please forward this file to someone who
you think might want to participate; in that way, you can at least help the list
grow and develop.
 
Hasta Pronto
        -Gilberto
From: readingj@nic.cerf.net (John D. Reading)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Una Lista Boliviana
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:19:27 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Para su informacio'n, existe un "mailing list" de bolivianos
y otras personas interesadas en Bolivia.  Para inscribirse solo
es necesario responder a este mensaje.

John Reading
readingj@cerf.net
-- 
"I recently learned that the human brain is like a computer.  If
 that is the case then truly there are no stupid people - only
 people who are using DOS!"
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:22 PDT
Subject: IPS:Guatemala:Victims Seek Compensa
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800315:000:2861
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Sep 26 12:22:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: IPS:Guatemala:Victims Seek Compensation

/* Written 12:14 am  Sep 24, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "GUATEMALA: VICTIMS OF REPRESSION TO" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: GUATEMALA: VICTIMS OF REPRESSION TO SEEK COMPENSATION


guatemala city, sep 21 (ips) -- guatemala's victims of
''repression and impunity'' have announced their intention to
seek government compensation for the material losses suffered
during the past ten years of armed conflict.

''we're seeking compensation for the material losses caused by
the army'' since the early 1980's, said lorenzo perez, leader of
the national commission for displaced persons (condeg).

the announcement came at the start of a two-day conference of
organisations representing guatemala's civil war victims, whose
proposals will be incorporated into the peace negotiations which
began in april 1991 between the government and the national
revolutionary unit of guatemala (urng).

the ''victims of repression and impunity'' are represented by
eight organisations of displaced persons, refugees, widows,
indigenous groups and relatives of dispppeared political
detainees, who were affected by the violence of the past decade.

perez said the compensation claims would be limited to
material losses, since ''all the money in the world could not
compensate for the many lives lost,'' during the conflict.

guatemala's 30-year civil war has left 100,000 dead, 60,000
widowed and 45,000 'disappeared'. 200,000 people fled into
neighbouring countries to escape the violence and another 1.5
million were internally displaced, including about 26,000
civilian peasants resisting forcible recruitment into the army.

perez said the ''immense'' material losses had not yet been
''quantified''. he said the army had burnt down people's homes,
destroyed harvests, stolen livestock and even deprived peasants
of essential possessions such as farming implements and clothes.

referring to the peace talks between the government, the army
and the urng, perez said ''we will demand direct participation at
the negotiating table,'' because ''we believe none of the parties
involved in the dialogue represents the civilian sectors.''

perez said victims' organisations hoped all parties would
comply with the peace accords that might emerge from the
dialogue, but stressed that ''it's not just a question of signing
a document, but of finding solutions to the social, economic and
political problems that affect guatemalans.''

he added that the conference of victims' organisations would
also demand an end to repression and the ''removal of all army
controls in our communities.''
(ends/ips/trd/sp or en/ff/cs/cg/92)
-----
From: cesar@endor.uucp (Cesar Galindo-Legaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Boston, Carlos Fuentes, 11 Octubre
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:38:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Oct7.023855.27564
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University


				  CONFERENCE

			 "Five hundred years later..."

				 presented by:
				Carlos Fuentes
				Mexican writer

			   Sunday, October 11, 1992
				    4:00 pm

			 ARCO Forum of Public Affairs
		     John F. Kennedy School of Government
			      Harvard University

Co-sponored by the Harvard University Mexican Students Association and
the Institute of Politics Student Advisory Committee.
From: ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: ** Le Gusta Poesia **
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:35:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Aquellos compan~eros que desean propagar el espan~ol por el mundo o 
simplemente tener conversaciones sobre poesia en espan~ol pueden unirse al grupo
k12.lang.esp-eng el cual serviria mucho en estos propositos.  Aqui envio una 
muestra del nivel de espan~ol que se escribe alli:

>Rita -- Lei lo que escribio a Jim, y yo tengo interes en la programa
>tambien.  Nunca he usado telecom antes de esta semana, pero quiero
>que mis estudiantes lo usan para escribir cartas en espanol, y si
>pueden tener dialogos con estudiantes espanoles estara mejor, por
>supuesto.  Si puede, tambien me manda la informacion.

---

>ola Christi.  Mi nobre es Matt Fox.  Vivo en Albany Nuevo, Ohio.  Es un
>pueblo pequeno exterior de Columbus, Ohio.  Soy 17 anos asi es que soy
>un pequeno mayor que usted.  Escribo usted causa de una mision de
>Espanol.  Vi su mensaje en nuestro BBS sistema, Eco De Aguila.  Soy un
>operario de sistema en este tabla asi es que veo todo el correo de la
>casa.

---

>    Tengo una hermana que justa movio fuera de la casa.  Es 19 anos, asi
>es que soy la unica una alrededor de la casa.  Soy en mi tercero ano de
>Espanol pero quietas no entiendo las escribir partes muy bien.  Si usted
>mi ecsribe atras por favor hace lectura facil.  Gracias! Adios

---

>   Hola Heidi! Como estas? Que clase de espanol tienes? espanol dos?
>   espanol tres? You vivo en Portland, Oregon. Yo hablo espanol un
>   pequeno. Algun dia quiero a visitar Espana o Panama...Como esta
>   Tacoma?

----

Edelmiro
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:34:34 EDT
From: <OEF100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: 12 DE OCTUBRE: NO CELEBRAR LA MASACRE!!

La basura por ti concebida asi solo refleja lo que tu piensas de ti mismo.
Nadie puede "currarte" sino tu.

Los 500 anos son SI una oprtunidad de celebrar, de celebrar que estamos
vivos, que el continente es grande y hermoso, plagado de diferentes culturas
y lleno de ideas, vida y posibilidades.

El pasado, es pasado, no pretendamos entender todo sobre sucesos de ayer con
ojos de hoy.  EL ejercicio solo conduce al auto desprecio ,
al odio, al negativismo y a la paralisis.

Oscar Frias
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Mas asilos politicos
Date: 4 Oct 1992 19:15:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lazaro@riemann.math.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez) says:

>Madrid- Marisela Alonso y Fernando Garces, dos miembros del cuerpo de baile del
>Ballet Nacional de Cuba han pedido asilo politico en Madrid abandonando la
>compan~ia en plena gira espan~ola, que termino el viernes 4 [de septiembre].

Me pregunto por que' :-)

>consideraba cercanos al circulo personal de Alicia Alonso, con lo que la

Esta Alicia Alonso, no es una famosa instructorea de baile en Cuba,
como de 70 u 80 an~os?

Tony Alicea

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: barrero@uni2a.unige.ch
Subject: BOLIVIA:Beatificacion de Nazaria...
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:28:45 GMT

Buenas tardes... la semana fue una semana de fiesta para todos los Bolivianos
y sobretodo para los orure~nos.... pues ya es oficial... Bolivia tiene su 
primera SANTA.... la Madre Nazaria Ignacia March Meza, fue beatificada el
dia de ayer domingo 27, en Roma por su santidad el Papa Juan Pablo II.... El
Obispo de Oruro, Mons. Braulio Saez, estuvo presente en la capital Italiana,
representando toda la comunidad Orure~na y Boliviana....

                            VIVA ORURO!
                               VIVA BOLIVIA!


                                   L. Marcel BARRERO M.
                                   barrero@cui.unige.ch
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:53 PDT
Subject: Re: Cuba: Torricelli bill oposition
Nf-ID: #R:ucdavis.ucdavis.edu:17664:cdp:1473800326:000:942
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Sep 30 17:53:00 1992



Edelmiro,

Suenas como un disco rayado, hombre. Ya sabemos que para ti el gov. cubano
es el diablo encarnizado.  En los ultimos 30 an~os no ha habido nada positivo
en Cuba. Ya, descanza la muela.

En todos lados se q#ecen habas. 

Hablando de contradicciones, el record de la comunidad derechista cubana en
terminos de metodos democraticos no es ejemplar (by a long shot!). 

Y que piensas del Cuban American Education Comm (?), un grupo que representa
al exilio de menos ingreso en EEUU, y que esta opuesto a la politica actual
de sancionar a Cuba (govierno y pueblo). 

Me gustaria visitar Cuba, pero ya sabes que en esta "democracia desfrenada" 
los encargados nos protejen de ver tales horrores como medicina gratis a menos
.,etc.

Un nota mas tu amigo George B. en su manera coherente acaba de renovar el
status de "most favored nation" a los democratas de la China. No, no es 
oportunismo lo que lo conmueve ;-).

Saludos. En paz,

DS