Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:52:20 -0500
Reply-To:     105pouloukas@GW.WMICH.EDU
From:         105pouloukas@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Kupriako pavepistnmio
Comments: To: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu

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}Suvexeia suzntnsns gia to pavepistnmio.
}Stavros.
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kamia sxesn me tov ypourgo Gewrgio Syrimn, oute kai me alla atoma me to idio
epitheto (uparxouv arketoi) ektos apo tov adelfo mou Giwrgo Syrimn (dev
eivai o Ypourgos Oikovomikwv :-), alla evas aplos apofoitos tou ATI opws kai
egw alloste).

To posting to eixa steilei priv apo peripou eva mnva, alla dev favnke sth
lista para movo priv apo liges meres.  Oi plnrofories pou edwsa ntav apo
tnlefwvikn syvomilia pou eixa me tnv Kypro.

Se vea tnlefwvikn syvomilia pou eixa tnv Kyriakn ematha kai ta parakatw:
To pavepistnmio syvexizei va eivai isws to kyriwtero thema syzntnsews,
pio symantiko kai apo tis symomilies stn N.Iorkn, avamesa sto kosmo.
Eixe prongnthei syvedria, autn pou avafera sto prwto mou posting, stnv opoia
n ka. Tsogiwpoulou dev parousiastnke, pragma pou ekswrgnsai ta meln tns boulns,
ta perissotera toulaxistov.
Stn syvedria pou egeive telika, n ka. Tsogiopoulou eipe oti n idia proswpika
xnristnke to olo thema tns teletns twv egkainiwv.  Eipe oti dev thewreise
avagkaio pws o yfipourgos paideias ths Elladas eprepe va prosfwvisei thv
teletn.
Avafere episns oti dev tns eixe avakoivwthei oti eixe stalei mnvnma apo
tov ypourgo paideias ths Elladas,para movo 30 lepta priv tnv teletn twv
egkaiviwn.

S' auto to snmeio epevebei o ypourgos paideias ths Kyprou o opoios ntav parwv
stn syvedriasn kai eipe:
-Me sygxwreite, alla prepei va epembw s'auto to snmeio.
Kyria Tsogiwpoulou sas edwsa proswpika to mnvnma tou kuriou ypourgo
2 meres priv tnv mera twv egkaiviwv. *******************

H bouln apofasise oti n ka. Tsogiopoulou tha prepei eite va paretnthei,
n va pafthei apo tov proedro pou eivai autos pou tnv diorise.
H apofasn psnfnstnkai apo ola ta kommata ektos tou AKEL, dev kserw av
pshfise evavtiov n av apeisxav.

>>Den einai alhthia oti o kosmos apodokhmase tes praxeis ths Tsougiopoulou.
>>Ta kommata plhn tou AKEL exoun katadhkash me antonh glwssa ta gegwnota
>>alla apo osa diavazw stes efhmerides o kosmos tous grafei.
>>>>                                   --------------------
>>>>                                   SWSTOS O KYPRIAKOS LAOS!!

Ti evvoeis dnladn, oti o kosmos dev pisteuei oti leve ta komata, n oti
 apla dev evdiaferetai?

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} Eivai dikn mou gvwmn oti stnv Kupro o kosmos eivai "polu tsimevtwmevos"
} mesa sta kommata. Elpizw oti kapoia mera auto 0a alla3ei. Apo oti katalaba
} sto muvhma leei oti o kosmos evdiaferetai gia to 0ema alla dev exei 0esn
} avaloga me autn twv kommatwv. Pisteuw oti o kosmos PREPEI va evdiaferetai
} gia ta koiva (e3allou eimaste "social animals") alla va mnv tnlekateu0uvetai
} apo ta kommata.
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Ta atoma me ta opoia milnsa egw, exouv katadikasei katngornmatika tis
prakseis tns proedrou tns epitropns.

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} This sample COULD be biased.
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>>To AKEL eipe
>>oti yphrxan kakoi xhrimoi sta egenia alla den prepei na pernoun diastaseis
>>to thema. Kata thn dikh mou apopsei to olo thema fenetai na edhmiourghthei
>>kai pali apo pleuras ekklhsia pou den arese to oti den ekanan agiasmo.
>                                   -----------------------------------
>>>> AN PRAGMATIKA H TSOUGIOPOULOU PHRE APOFASH NA MHN GINEI AGIASMOS TOTE
>>>> EGW LEW "MPRABO!" KAI THN YPOSTHRIZW. DEN 3ERW AN EKANE ALLES KAKES
>>>> ENERGEIES ALLA EDW THN PARADEXOMAI.

Peste mas kai giati, av thelete?

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} To ti gvwrizw gia to 0ema eivai oti graftnke stov "Hellas". Mporei kai n
} Tsougiopoulou va e3uperntei kapoia politika sumferovta n kapoious
} politikavtndes. Mou arese omws pou dev egive agiasmos dioti:
}     (1) Pisteuw oti n ekklnsia eivai POLY PARAPANW apo oti prepei avamigmevn
}         stnv ekpaideusn.
}     (2) Qewrw tov agiasmo sav eva teletourgnma kapws asteio, mesaiwviko. P.x.
}         stis perissoteres periptwseis o agiasmos givetai gia va fugouv ta
}         kaka pveumata. Diafwvw sto oti PREPEI va givei agiasmos dioti auto
}         kavouv kai oi Tourkoi.
}     (3) Blepw tous papades va "sarwvouv", kuriws sta xwria, kai dev mou
}         aresei va tous blepw va kuriarxouv ("dominate").
}     (4) Sou 0umizw tnv baboura pou egive otav n bouln ynfise tov
}         politiko gamo. H ekklnsia kuklofornse tote eva bibliaraki
}         foberotato.
}
} Qelw va 0ei3w kai eva allo 0ema. Ta kommata (kai n ekklnsia) blepouv to
} pavepistnmio sav eva meros pou 0elouv va elegxouv mesw twv foitntwv kai giati
} oxi kai twv leitourgwv.
}   Telos, lew oti dev pairvw 0esn gia ta gegovota, aplws e3efrasa tnv
}   au0ormntn mou euxaristnsn pou dev egive agiasmos. Episns 0elw va euxaristnsw
}   eseva kai tov Avdrea gia oles tis plnrofories.
}
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>>Exallou o Xrysostomos exagghle thn Paraskeuh oti den einai dynato o Kypriakos
>>laos na enwthei katw apo politiko arxhgo. Bgalte ta symperasmata sas||

Stn bouln egeive thema to kataposo n politikn pou akoloutheite mexri twra
sto pavepistnmio prospathei va probalei tn dikoivwtikotnta tou pavepistnmiou,
dikoivwtiko tha eivai kai to kratos to opoio prospathoume va petuxoume,
parablepovtas kai akoma upobathizontas tnv ethvikotnta kathe koivotntas.

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} Pisteuw oti kapoio/a komma/ta, orgavwsn/eis exouv auto to skopo. Diafwvw
}me tnv prospa0eia diafa0mnsns tns e0nikotntas.
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Kati tetoio eivai avtitheto me tis arxes idrusews tou pavepistnmiou pou leve
oti vai mev to idruma tha eivai dukoivwtiko omws n ethvikotnta tns * kathe*
koivotntas oxi movo tha eivai sebastn alla kai tha probaletai mesw tou
pavepistnmiou. Kati poromoio avaferetai kai sto syvtagma gia to kratos.

Stn sygkekrimevn periptwsn tou agiasmou, tha eprepe va givei agiasmos
dioti auto apaitei n paradwsn tns ellnvikns koivwtntas kai otidepote
allo syvithizetai va givetai stn tourkikn koivwtnta (p.x 'agiasmos' apo
tov mouftn).

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} Dev snmaivei oti apaitei n paradosn prepei swvei kai kala va givetai.
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} Stavros (2n fora)

Mixalns

>>Andreas

>>>> STAVROS. (1n fora)
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Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign
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