HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: bmw FI systems (was Re: Cheap Gas in BMW K-100 RS?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:45:52 GMT

dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
> >(2) How does an O2 sensor sense the fuel octane? I thought O2 sensors
> >    were ceramic semiconductors which are sensitive to the amount of
> >    free O2 molecules.
> Oops, not semiconductors. but actually cells. Sorry about that.

the body of the sensor is made of zirconium dioxide which is
stabilized with yttrium oxide. it then has a coating on each side
consisting of a thin layer of platinum, which forms the conductors.
it's oriented in the exhaust so that one side is exposed to the exhaust
and the other to the outside air. a difference of levels of O2
contacting the sides causes a voltage to be generated via the
chemical reaction.

I think a good use for these things would be in those smoking cages.
wire one up to the drivers genitals. the worse the thing gets out
of tune (thereby making bikers gag more), the more of a zap they
get :)

--
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to rid winshield microscratches?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:54:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: fubar

In article <1992Aug19.004404.12946@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>,
hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	My windshield is getting to show its age, and when driving
> 	at night, or in rain, millions of tiny-teency-weency scratches
> 	diffuse the light and partially obscure the view ahead.
> 	
> 	Is there any coating or process that can reduce this effect?
> 
YES!
Meguiars (spelling?) makes an outstanding plexiglass polish.
It really works.  I recommend it for restoring windshields
with myriad small scratches and for maintenance of new
windshields.  I used it for years before I quit using a
'screen.  Meguiras makes many different compounds, so it
may be best to go to a pro-auto dealer to get just the right
one.

 john
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:50:58 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

Now that is NEWS!!!

Riding Porches??

Out of Dallas, the genuine article?

Or from the Wild-West yonder, with a real longhorn above?

Possibilities galore...

Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: stephd@microsoft.com (Steve Dybing)
Subject: Re: The GPNDG attendance list and awards.
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:42:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft

In article <1992Aug19.021153.25394@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>
>Perhaps next year, we'll find that the DoD bike of choice is a 907.
>I'm almost willing to wager on it.  Right, Dyb?

You may be right, but I'm not going to bet on it.  If I was going to buy it
now, it would be the 907ie.  Since I have to wait until January, I have to 
admit my head might be turned. 

Why do I have to wait until January?  Seems I got another ticket last Friday.
That's about three too many for reasonable insurance rates.  I start vesting
in January.  My folks feel that I should be looking for a house.  They just
don't understand quite yet...

Speaking of my folks.  My mom attended an MRC class this weekend.  The 
instructor went too fast for her so she left halfway through Saturday.
What advice would you give her as to her next step?  Buy a bike and learn
on her own, get a private tutor, or ???

Steve Dybing  DoD #656  Kawasaki 700ltd.  Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo
Use your turn signals.  If I were psychic, I'd have known not to be on
the road with you in the first place.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: rkou.is.a.weenie (was: Re: laywer)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:24:46 GMT

#!/bin/sh
# This is for those of you running rn or a variant
# 
mkdir -p $HOME/News/rec/motorcycles
echo "/rkou@skat.ucs/h:j" > $HOME/News/rec/motorcycles/KILL
# You're welcome. :-)

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip Off
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.140130.24960@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <Bt07In.1EE@news.udel.edu>, andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
>> The insurance is with
>> Universal Underwriters.  They didn't know what a Ducati was, and they
>> also don't consider it a sport bike.  It could cost me 2 to 3 times
>> as much to insure a CBR600 or similar bike...
>
>You shouldn't have let the loud-mouth see this...
>
>-Roid


Whozzat?   Or should I say which loudmouth?

Actually when i got the quote I specifically asked them
to go back and double check it (stupid me) as I didn't
want to be sent a massive premium notice later and have
to go chasing after insurance again....

Steve



-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Organization: Are you kidding?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:32:08 GMT

In article <956@pico.OZ> conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au writes:
+paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
+: In article <1992Jul30.124412.4984@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
+: + <stuff deleted>
+: So how come there are so many ex-patriate Canadians & Brits living here
+: in the US???  Couldn't stand the great systems you have there?
+:
+
+Dear Paul,
+   isn't it amazing how UsoAians think that everything is theirs?
+Please note that ..@bnr.uk is not within your country.  Much as it may
+suprise you, Internet (qand the term "global") does not restrict itself
+to the USA.
+
+Does the term "Central America" mean "Kansas" to you too?

Conrad,
  You seem to miss the idea that I was trying to convey.  BTW, I am
not one of the "America is the center of the universe" crowd that
may have been misread from my post.

  So, let me try again.

The post that I was responding too was of the greatness of the
Medical systems in the UK & Canada.  I felt that the post went
somewhat overboard in that the poster seemed to go on and on
about the overall greatness of the UK & Canada.

So, my post tried to put things in perspective.  I.e., yes, both
countries are great in their own ways but must not be a complete
utopia 'cause some of their citizens find reasons to come to the
US to fulfill something or other.

Hope that this clarifies.

	Paul

____________________________________________________________________________
				I AM THE RNA!
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(note paulb@tti.com no longer works; paulb@ttidca.tti.com goes away soon)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: what kind of oil needed for winter storage??
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:46:36 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


In article <viking.714271686@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> 
|> 	When I fire it up, I don't shut it off until I get oil temperature
|> of at least 280 degrees.  Does this help or hinder the problems you
|> and others have pointed out?
|> 

Running it until it's at that temperature will make any water in the oil
boil off.  But at the same time, the combustion is making more nasty stuff
and depositing some of it into your oil.  So, yeah, if you do fire it up, 
it's better to run it a while than to just start it and turn it right off
again.

I'm questioning why you want to start it at all (unless the day is perfect
and you can't bear not taking it out for a spin).  If you changed the oil
before storing it, all the combustion stuff in the old oil is gone (you 
did change it when it was hot, right?) and it's stored with new clean 
oil giving the internal parts maximum protection.  Starting it dirtys the
oil and I can't think of any reason why you'd want to do it.
 

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "What do *you* care what other people think?" -- Richard Feynman 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500  
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: There's hope for me yet...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:04:20 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler):
:- In article <6487@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes:
:- >In article <daved.713473289@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
:- 
:- >>Last Saturday I was running up a hill at  170 kph when a 
:- >					   ^^^^^^^


	if u you can run up a hill at that speed, how come i never saw you in
	the olympics??

	obmotostuff: if they had moto racing in the olympics, i hope
	they make it total amateur... now wouldnt we all qualify??? ;)

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: O-ring chains: Yes or No?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:27:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu

Are O-ring chains worth the extra money? If it depends, what
does it depend on?

-uncle dan
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: Torque VS. Horse power: What is the difference????
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:56:28 GMT

parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster) writes:

>In article <1612@shaman.wv.tek.com>, harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>
>> BHP = (TorqueXRPM)/5252

>Why is it called *brake* horse power?

How can anyone be this stupid?  The `b' stands for `butane', silly.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
        Distrust education.  Two of the three R's are misspelled.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Motorcycle Fatalities
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:16:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.014537.17002@nas.nasa.gov>, ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
|> 
|>  FYI - Some might be interested, here is the fatality rates for the first 
|> 6 months of 1991 and 1992 for motorcyclists from the California Highway 
|> Patrol as reported in the San Jose Murkey News.
|> 
|> 	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Total
|> 
|> 1991	25	30	24	44	52	53	227
|> 1992	17	14	24	35	25	24	137
|> 
|> 
|> The acompaning article asserts that the newly enacted helmet law is 
|> responsible for the drop in fatalities. 

I should have to say this but i will: half as many riders.
anyone know how many new bikes are being registered this year compaired
to last year. also how many used bikes are being re-registered.
also has anyone been paying any attention to the used bike market
between the 2 years?


Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
In any publication, I will give notice that "UNIX is a Trademark of Bell 
Laboratories"
Boycott Bell Laboratories
"Harleys make to much noise. I guess I've just become a BMW snob" Mikii
DoD #0666          UID #1999
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is a Harley so easy to push?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:

>I pushed my BMW 2 miles when the condensor blew (luckly mostly
>down hill).

A little hint, Laszlo.  When going downhill, if you take the pressure of 
the brake you can get on the motorcycle and ride it downhill - no need to push.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How do you get your way in traffic?
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:39:16 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug18.025248.3654@walter.bellcore.com> jyri@faline.UUCP (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>In article <1064@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>>
>>lane, this "lady" cut me off ... I thought "shit this never happens
>>when I ride the bike".  But then it happened the next day, another
...
>>	1) A bat came to mind, but I haven't figured out how to carry
>>	   it.
>
>>[...]
>
>	n) A small piece of ceramic. Easy to carry and use...

You mean like a ceramic valve shim?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
			decide policy for the U.N.?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swlrei (SCOTT LILLIOTT)
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:07:21 GMT

YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum) writes:

>I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
>Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
>is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
>boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
>motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?


At least learn to spell PORSCHE ...


I'm back.
S.

-- 
   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "You don't have to live on the edge,  #
     #   DoD #0227               you just have to know where it is." #
      #  US/INOA #8563                     -- me                    #
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: MC license for scooter in your jurisdiction?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:51:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.012058.26118@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
>
>	A question for y'all:
>
>	Do *you* need a MC license to ride a scooter in the state/province/	
>	county/etc where you live ?

In Quebec, you need a scooter/moped license, and you need only pass a written
test to get one. A scooter is defined as something 50 cc or less with an
automatic transmission (they thought of changing this, but then YSR 50s came
along...). In practice, I don't think anyone cares because we rented some
50 cc scooters (it's like riding a chair!) in Tadoussac and the guy only 
wanted to see one, ordinary driver's license for the three of us. Maybe it
would have been different if we were all 14 (the age requirement) but I
don't know.

The law is similar in Ontario (I think) and I don't know about what is
enforced.

Come now, I don't think that this is out of hand. I can go 60km/h downhill
on my bicycle too.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: the marvels of duct tape (AKA mach 3 tape)
Keywords: yummy
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.195814.293@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
>In article <SHAFER.92Aug14092607@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>, shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>> We call [duct tape] Mach 3 tape at Dryden.  We use it on the Fastest Ride.
>> 
>
>i'm sure bill johns will clue is in to the nuances of this sticky stuff, but
>no doubt it has a spooge base.

Well bob for a historian you have a good grasp of chemistry.  The material used
in the really good Mach 3 tape is actually Bis-dihydroxydiphenyl acrylo-tri-
phosphatedibenzyl aminodicalcium tri-imide-spooge.  Chemists call it bis-spooge
for a short.  In its monohydroxy form it is the common material found
in the artificial creamers found in cheap diners.

Sort of redefines the concept of "getting creamed," huh.

Ride Free, and careful what you put in your mouth,

Bill
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists get a break.
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:21:24 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering

In article <1992Aug17.035035.19608@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|> After hearing how MC riders always get shafted, I wanted to post
|> a positive experience.  I went to get a campus parking sticker
|> for my wife's car and my motorcycle.  The car sticker was $168
|> and the motorcycle sticker was $38 BUT because I had bought
|> the car sticker for $168, my MC was considered secondary transportation
|> and I got the MC sticker for only $5.
|> 
|> Jack Waters

I have to agree with this.  I take night classes at Ga. State in downtown
Atlanta.  Parking is always a bitch (though not uptight) in a cage.  As a 
biker I was thrilled to find that parking was $10/yr and the bike lot was
right next to the back door of the student center.  Cagers pay $2/day and
have to park a block or more away. 

ObBikeQuote:
"'Where can i get ahold of a Vincent Black Shadow?'
 'What's that?'
 'A fantastic bike. The new model is something like two thousand cubic
 inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions
 per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb
 weight of exactly two hundred pounds.'
 'That sounds about right for this gig,' he said.
 'It is," I assured him. 'The fucker's not much for turning, but it's
 pure hell on the straightaway.  It'll outrun the F-111 until takeoff.'
 'Takeoff?' he said. 'Can we handle that much torque?'
 'Absolutely,' I said. 'I'll call Ney York for some cash.' "
-- Hunter S. Thompson, _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_


Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Compressed air for carb cleaning
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:09:28 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <ALAVIGNE.92Aug17101310@bmerh930.bnr.ca>, alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne) writes:
> 
> I am trying to clean my carbs for the first time, and my Clymer manual says
> that I should clean out my jets with compressed air.  ok.  However, I don't
> have any fancy compressed air equipment, so what can a low-budget 
> home repair person do instead?   I was thinking of using some kind of hand-
> pump type affair, but I don't know if this would be sufficient or not.

either a photography store or a computer supply store (as well as 
price club) will sell a can of compressed air.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:02:14 -0400 
From: Alison Rebecca Colman <ac10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Want a motorcycle

Hello all,

I would like to thank everyone that replied to my post -- I got a lot of
replies and scads of helpful information. Much appreciated! :)

Alison
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wearing a helmet
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:35:25 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <1992Aug9.182326.11476@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.233849.269@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker) writes:
>:> Hmmm I wonder what would have happened to an unhelmeted person shot
>:> under a car with the same velocity.
>:
>:african or european?
>
>I don't know...
>
Aaaaaaa
       aaa
          aa
            ah!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Re: an american motorcycle in europe
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:34:06 GMT

pascaru@thumper.etdesg.trw.com (Ted R. Pascaru 111200 ccC355) writes:

>last year i had an excellent adventure riding in europe.  i was on a
>katana 750 and my friend on a fzr1000.  we left the bikes in italy
>hoping they'd sell.  one year later, there still in a garage, while
>the best offer i can get is $4000 for both bikes to be used as spare
>parts.  it turns out the beaurocarcy involved to sell them legally is
>a nightmare.  this is done to stop people from doing what we were and
>still are trying.
Seems that Italy has the same rules as Sweden; unless you 1) own the
vehicle overseas for a certain time (one year or so) and 2) own the
vehicle in the destination country for another year or so, it can't be
sold easily, may have to undergo *expensive* emissions testing etc etc.

Two questions:
1. How did you ship the bikes overseas?  And about how much did it cost?
2. How did you arrange for insurance while in Europe?

Thanks,
Fredrik