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From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:49:09 GMT

In article <rccarm00.717196738@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c 
carman) writes:

>No.  The Enterprise computer is highly useful, but it's not "Big Brother".
>The computer does not "keep track of" people, or monitor their movements.
>But the computer can locate a person upon request by tracing the signal
>from their communicator.

I disagree. If the computer is so useful, then why does it require a 
communicator? Why isn't everyone who comes aboard the E given one? If 
everyone dropped their communicator pins on the floor the computer would 
think they disappeared? I do remember an episode when Riker and Worf were 
tracing three crew members (I think it was the one where Troi, Data and O'
Brien got "possessed") and they left the pins on the Turbolift thus losing 
their trail.

I think there is sufficient evidence to indicate that the computer *could* 
keep track of everyone's DNA footprint though not without specifically being 
told to.

It still does not answer the question about someone being killed in their 
quarters. Surely, if there were a fire, the computer would detect and report 
it. Just so, with a struggle resulting in death.

Remember the episode where the Borg cut out a section of the ship? Surely, 
it included crews quarters and the computer reported the damage and 
casualties.
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Barclay and STRESS (was Re: Barclay- Can we get rid of him?)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 02:09:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <63D4RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> stevee@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Steven Eichner) writes:
|
|Come on, Picard! Barclay's getting a little TOO strange for the Enterprise.
|Would a REAL Captain keep him on the ship? I think not!

Perhaps. But Barclay -- or someone like him, represents to me an
important aspect ignored in TNG: stress. All of the ot her characters never
have any stress--which is completely unreasonable given the
circumstances. I think, considering both TOS and TNG, TOS had more
expressions of fustrations and realistic feelings of stress. This is
true for McCoy, but also for Spock.


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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Time's Arrow II question
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 05:59:38 GMT

I may have missed something, in either part I or part II, but why didn't 
Picard et al contact Data with their communicators? I know Data gambled his
away in the poker game in part I, but considering all the things he won back,
(one guy's vest, the indian's hat, etc.) I find it hard to believe he didn't win
that back as well. 

And we know that Picard's away team had communicators, because there was a shot
of Dr. Crusher activating hers before she went to talk to the two life-sucking
aliens in the hospital. 

Did I miss something, or was this just an example of the writers sacrficing a
convienient solution to fill out the story?


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From: uhs@jab.tucson.az.us (Rob Macomber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TA2, Halley's Comet
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:49:21 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:

> In article <1992Sep30.161419.6721@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.roch
> >In <1992Sep29.170126.842@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio
> >
> >>I was willing to forgive the whole Samual Clemens travels
> >>to the 24th century stuff just for the one small comment he
> >>made about Halley's Comet to Troi as he leaves the transporter room.
> >
> >>Sam says says something like, "Have you ever seen Halley's Comet?"
> >
> >>Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
> >>He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
> >>I doubt he ever got to see.
> 
> In one review of his works, I read that he *expected* to die in
> 1910.  He believed that since he came in with the appearance of the
> comet he would go out with it.
> 
> I believe that he was referring to his story "Captain Stormfields
> Trip to Heaven" in which the captain races a comet while he is
> going to heaven and winds up at the wrong gate because he veered
> off course.  When he gets there, there are a lot of nonhumans.

He also wrote a short mock advertisement about renting Halley's Comet for a 
cruise through space. I don't remember what it is called, though.
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:58:43 GMT

v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>     There are thousands of scenarios you can concoct.  Thousands
>     that I can concoct.  The simple answer is: O'Brien is an
>     enlisted man, and Meaney's costume has finally been altered
>     to reflect what scripts in the past several seasons have
>     shown.

[Flame on]

You must miss the irony in your own posting. It is the people in the "O'Brien
is a CPO" camp who have to concoct complicated, often contrived scenarios to
explain all kinds of things. (Examples: how could a CPO be a Tactical Officer?
why does a CPO wear Lieutenant's pips? why are there no other noncoms around?
etc.) I just read a new one about O'Brien's pips being silver, while 
everyone else's are gold. (Give me a break!)

Whereas those of us sensible ones in the "O'Brien is a Lt" camp *don't need*
to sweat over concocting plausible (or implausible) scenarios to explain away
all the questions. O'Brien is a Lt. O'Brien wears Lt pips. Sergei Roschenko
calling him a CPO was the YATI. Simple.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

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From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Subject: r.a.s.c. readers can never be satisfied
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:28:36 GMT

I only follow this group lightly.  I'll tell you why in a second.

I just watched TAII, and enjoyed it.  It was fun and entertaining.
spoilers ahead...
  

Over the past few years, in this group, one of the MAJOR complaints about
practically every episode is that the writers are always spelling everything
out for the viewers.  I agree that this can make otherwise good shows a
little tedious.  In TAII, the writers did not spell every little thing out.
How did Picard leave the message in Data's head?  How did the group all get
period clothes so quickly?  (How long had they been there?  Remember, the
landlady said the rent was due on Wednesday at 1pm.  Maybe they were there
for weeks, who knows?)  Where did the play scripts come from?  How did the
group get down into the cave?  The list goes on and on....

There will always be stuff that is not explained on the shows.  There may
even be some stuff that can't be expained(it is science _FICTION_).  It
just seems that some people here on r.a.s.c. can never be satisfied.

I only follow this group lightly, because I found out that I can enjoy the
shows much more if I don't read all the critisms posted here.  If there
was something kinda flakey that I missed, well so much the better.  I
really don't care to have all the "errors" and plot "holes" pointed out to
me.  I really like almost all of the shows.  Its more of a feeling than a
simple count of errors and inconsistencies. 

Flame me if you wish, I don't care.  But, if you are a reader of r.a.s.c.
and it seems to you like every episode is just terrible, then take a week 
or two off from this group and watch a couple of episodes without reading
all the reviews and complaints posted here.  It made a difference to me.

New week we get to see what it looks like to be transported!  Have fun.
--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
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Subject: A few points on TA2 (* SPOILERS *)
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:27:30 GMT
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I don't know how to ^L so ....



























OVERALL:  Reminds me of "The Best of Both Worlds II".  Sure, there were plot
          holes and inconsistencies, but iit was too entertaining to dwell
          on the little things.  Any  episode in which McFadden and Sirtis 
          almost convinced me that they were doing mediocre acting deserves
          a little praise.  Even though I found Mark Twain annoying, he
          still provided a laugh here and there.

CONSISTENCY:  What ever happened to "seek out new life and new civilizations"?
              Maybe I missed something, but the aliens did seem to be only 
              killing terminally ill people anyway.   But Picard &  CO. 
              responded with phasers first and talk second.  "No substitute--
              I guess we'll have to kill you."  I don't mind a darker tone,
              but TA2 made Picard behave more like Kirk than anything.
              "We come in peace."/"Shoot to kill."

BEST LINE:  Guinan:"I'll see you in 500 years."
            Picard:"And I'll see you in a few minutes."

RIKER: Did Riker seem like he was acting more of jerk of himself than usual?
       Five years under one of Starfleet's best captains and he's still making
       the same mistakes he did at the beginning.  Maybe it's a good thing he 
       passed up those three captaincies.

LOGO:  Did they revert back to the old logo in the opening credits rather
       than the 3-D/psychadelic logo of last season?

NEXT WEEK:  Sure, it looks exciting.  But it IS a Barclay episode.  I'm
            preparing for the worst.
From: rob7673@cuphub.cup.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:57:09 GMT
Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA

>In article <1a52e0INNje9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
First 7 questions deleted, as I have not answers to them. :)
> 	(8)  How did Data's body end up back in the cavern on
> Davidia II?  Nobody picked it up and carried it through the
> gateway that I saw...
> 
No, but because the temporal "door" was opened basically in Data's neck (he was
tussling with the "male" alien for the cane when the thing activated), his
body was blown (recall that everyone was thrown by the explosion of the door
opening) into the 24th century cavern while his head was blown across the
cavern of the 19th century.

> 	(9)  How come Picard defended the Crystalline Entity's
> right to feed off of the terror of dying humans as simple hunger,
> while the Soul Ghouls must be immediately destroyed for doing
> essentially the same thing?
> 
In that episode, I thought it was implied that the Crystalline Entity didn't
know what it was doing.  All it knew was that it was feeding, not that it was
feeding off of other living creatures.  In this episode, the aliens _knew_ that
they were destroying life.  The line the dying "female" said was something like
"We need your energy"--they knew they were draining the life-energy from these
humans.

> 	(10)  We saw Data's head and Clemens' watch explicitly left
> in the cavern.  What about the eyeglasses?  Were they Beverly's?
> You would think that, since they went to such trouble to show
> parting shots of the watch and the head, that they would have done
> the same for the glasses.
> 
Did the glasses get knocked off her face when the "door" opened?

> 	Oh well, *another* failed cliffhanger episode...Now I can
> catch up on all the other SpoilerReviews here to see what the rest
> of you in NetLand think...
> -- 
I agree.  A bit too mainstreamed for my tastes, like they were trying to please
everyone out in TVland, instead of just the regular loyal Trekkers like us.

> Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet
> Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
> "Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell
> miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem

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From: rbw@fico.uucp
Subject: Re: TA Are you kidding?
Reply-To: rbw%fico.uucp@apple.com (Randy Wong)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:21:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.144724.17967@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>.
>OK here it is.  You people are so concerned about Data's head, who was
>Jack, etc. that you have failed to notice what, IMHO, is a great big
>warty pimply oozing nauseating flaw about the plot:
>
>	The motive force behind the entire action is:
>	
>			Vampires.
>
>			(again)
>
>Just exactly how many vampires/life force eaters/invaders have we seen
>in Startrek?  I don't have episode guides, but I bet there's at least a
>dozen or more in which 
>	(a) creature takes over someone's mind
>	(b) creature feeds on life force energy (or hate or fear or whatever)
>	(c) creature actually eats someone
>	(d) Borg
>
>I mean, this is really the oldest fantasy plot around.  Plus the fact is
>that some of the TA II spoilers seem to suggest some pretty lame resolutions.
>
>If someone has TOS and TNG episode guides and would compile a list of shows
>in the general "Vampire" genre, I'd be interested in knowing just how many
>there are.
>
>Don't aliens have anything better to do?
>

Well, remember this:  when aliens need to nourish themselves, they don't
necessarily  go out for a Big Mac.  To them, it's nourishment . . . leeching
energy and so forth . . . I imagine if cattle could talk, _WE_ would be the
"vampires"



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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:01:32 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Sep29.163512.21625@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:

>>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	

>Yes, it conflicts with those theories, but seeing as time travel
>has never been *demonstrated* (except once when i was 12 :-),
>I don't think there's any final word on what's "correct".

True, but it violates what I would simply have to call, conservation of
matter.  Which equates to conservation of energy and is one of the most
fundamental principles in physics.

By having two heads, you effectively get something for nothing.

I have read a sci-fi story that uses a theory like this to use time travel
as an energy source.  It doesn't wash.  

Between this and the traditional causality loop violation, TA II was very
poor indeed.


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From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: Borg travelling faster than Warp 10?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.162138.18628@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes...
>>Since the Enterprise has travelled faster than warp 10 (using the
>>mind interface "remember, Wesley holds great promise") why couln't
>>the borg obtain the technology and thus conquer then universe?
> 
>The Borg can't do it because neither can the enterprise! No one can unless the
>definition of the warp scale is yet again redefined.

    Does this mean that the "warp 11.4" in the Old Series in the episode
 "That Which Survives" (?) is on a different warp scale that that of
 the Next Generation series?     If this is so, can someone please
 review the <different?> warp scales for me.  Thanks.

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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: TA II: Changed Actress? (No Spoilers)
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:56:38 GMT

>Does anyone know why they changed the actress playing the 
>female "invader" between TA I and TA II?
>
>The actress in TA I is a very dark-haired woman with "chiseled"
>features who I recognize from several recent "B movies". The 
>female invader from TA II is a different woman entirely. Since
>I have no VCR, and since I missed the credits on TA II, I have
>no names.
>
>Trivia, I know, but inqiring minds want to know!
>
>
>Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
>NW of Columbus Ohio                Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
>

Someone else posted the crdetis on another star trek list.
So here is your alien nurse.

		   "Time's Arrow, Part II"

			 Guest Stars
Jerry Hardin			as	"Samuel Clemens"
Pamela Kosh				[Mrs. Carmichael]
William Boyett				[Policeman]
Michael Aron				[bellboy, Jack London]
James Gleason				[Dr. Appollinaire]
Mary Stein				[Alien Nurse]
Alexander Enberg			[Young Reporter]

I have no idea as to who played here in TA1.


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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:34:29 GMT

rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi) writes:

>In article <3750@ra.nrl.navy.mil> harris3@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Kevin Harris) writes:
>>In article <90272@netnews.upenn.edu>, chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
>>> 
>>> Will we all have to pay to watch Star Trek in the future???
>>
>>My cable system carries the Sci-Fi channel on Basic Cable...meaning it is included with
>>the basic channels, and so you don't have to pay extra for it.  I dunno about other cable
>>systems out there.

>But you have to *pay* for "Basic Cable" don't you?????   Or are you one of
>those who ... ...        ;-)

>I get the general idea that "Basic Cable" now runs about $250/year.

And what if, by chance, your cable company is too anal to get the Sci-Fi
Channel (or the Cartoon Network for that matter).  Arg.

-Mark

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From: dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: TIMELINES--I don't think so.
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:40:04 GMT

Where's the old Stone-Finkas timeline gone when I need it?   :-)


Sorry to rain on Tallman's parade, but TPTB have basically put TOS in
the timeframe of 2264-2270.  The "five year discrepancy" is *not*
from an error by Picard.  The Sarek ages are what finally nailed down
the correct years.  

Of course if you want to believe that the first Kirk year was 2270, go
right on...  But don't expect me to go for this timeline any more than
I'd try to push the old FASA 2207-2212 scheme.

Dave.

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