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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Meeting guys
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:00:51 GMT

In article <MARTINC.93Jan5210518@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

>In article <C0ELDC.21p@mach1.wlu.ca> macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:

>   I've been reading a lot lately here about how men should go about meeting
>   women, but nobody seems to be giving many suggestions on how women can meet
>   men.

>Well, if you like mildly geeky middle aged over-intellectual white boys,
>there's always me.

And if you like a middle-aged, mildly intellectual oriental computer nerd,
there's always me.

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tjj@nomas.bellcore.com (J Tim Jordan)
Subject: Re: FLIRTING AS AN OLYMPIC DEMONSTRATION SPORT
Reply-To: tjj@nomas.bellcore.com (J Tim Jordan)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:30:07 GMT

In article <93011.140336HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Psycho!! <HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>Flirting is a lost art... requiring much skill and prowess.
>
>I propose we make it an Olympic demonstration sport...
>
>Imagine the results?  Team Canada v.s. Team Switzerland...  I'm getting sweaty
>just at the thought of it...  Where do I sign up?
>
>All in favour?

Sounds good. Actually I saw, on a talk show, a person who runs a 
flirting class in New York City. She was also saying that it's
a lost art. Can any body help me with the do's and don'ts of flirting?
Like does one go directly from eye contact to a pick up line?
I personally wish that there were some inbetween steps like
after eye contact one player would stand on his or her
chair and pat their head while rubbing their stomach. That way
one would know for sure that the misses is interested and ones
confidence would be higher for the initial approach.
	Tim
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The P.C. word for "ethnically cleansed"
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:20:47
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu's message of Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:35:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.033547.15268@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:

   Drieux asks for "Does anyone know the correct term for people
   who are ethnically cleaned?"

   I believe the PC word you are searching for is:  DEAD

Jeez.  You know, when I posted it I thought I was being *so* pithy and
creative. 
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.veterans
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Being ProAirBorne....
Followup-To: alt.sex,soc.singles
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:54:35 GMT

scw@ollie.SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Stephen C. Woods) writes:

] >>And what in hell is immoral about parachuting or being a ranger?

to be equitable: also include in the morally questionable group:

1. bubble heads

2. SAC missel crews.

Both groups are intrinsically self refuting.

Also worth noting, that I grew up in a house wherein
the family maxim was: "God did Not invent any moving fox holes."

But father was never clearly AntiArmour....

so the morality of tanker crews is not resolved.

] >Gordo,
] >Drieux was just joshing. (I think. ;-))
] >
] >But then again, you know what they say about jumping out of poifectly
] >good aeroplanes.
] 
] Humphhhh! i can tell that you've never looked carefully
] at a jump plane.  Perfectly good indeed. <Fehhh, a pox upon this worthless
] unairworthy piece of trash>

Hold on there Sugar Plums,
I like the C-130 at high or low altitudes,
and I'll tell you why when the ringing noise 
in my head stops.... or the green light goes off....


ciao
drieux


-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: "Olivia Newton-John is the grand-daughter 
of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir Edmund Newton-John." --Frank

Clear Proof Of Genetic Superiority, eh No????
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hughes@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (GREG HUGHES)
Subject: Re: Permanence...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:32:00 GMT

In article <phantasm.726360614@vincent1.iastate.edu>, phantasm@iastate.edu () writes...
>Greetings Rai...
> 
>Your post...
> 
>> Hi Guys!
>>
>> I was wondering.... If any one of you are planning to come through Memphis,
>> TN, How about giving me a ring or something.  Nothing permanent, just a
>> purely temporary fling will suffice!!
> 
>reminded me of something Stevenson wrote...
> 
>     Philosophy, in its more rigid sense, has been at the same work
>     for ages; and has the honour of laying before us her contribution
>     towards the subject: that life is a Permanent Possibility of
>     Sensation.
> 
>Unfortunately, my upcoming trip to Arizona will not take me through Memphis...
>Perhaps I could change my plans...
> 
>However, as you want nothing of Permanence...
> 
>Fortune to you...
>Is phabtasm a girl or a guy???????? I am looking for a woman!!!! 
>phantasm
From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: **STOP SENDING MAIL!!** (2nd try)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:47:35 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University


Hi Guys!!

As for all of the mail that Raina got regarding the "Desparate Girl..." post we
sent out, PLEASE STOP SENDING HER E-MAIL!!!!

The damage has been done and now she has to answer ALL of those messages, so
do her a favor and stop sending it.  It wasn't her idea in the first place.

Tundrea
M.S.U.
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: POWs?  (was Re: Question about divorced women...)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 07:01:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu


POW- Problem Older Woman
I would then be her PYM, or Problem Younger Man.
r.
From: martinc@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Olivia D. Hava-Lund
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:25:16
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: currituck.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:14:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.141440.22261@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

   But there you are with yours, and here I am with my material girl.

	    - Olivia Newton Ciccione

Ooooh.  Dada.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Savoir-Faire
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:47:54 GMT


In article 93Jan9142949@grover.cs.unc.edu, martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

>Hey, don't stop, guys!  This interlineal French lesson's great!

OK.                             Bon.

I wonder if we can keep         Je me demande si on est capable de 
the thread going. The only      maintenir la discution. Sauf que la
problem is that French takes    langue francaise prend beaucoup plus
longer to write.                de temps quand on l'ecrit.

Any takers?                     Est-ce qu'il y en a d'autres ici qui
                                aimeront continuer?
  /^
dreas


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: veen2976@mach1.wlu.ca (veenstra christopher)
Subject: Re: Bonjour!!!
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:48:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.203621.27153@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.041600.4046@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>|                                  
>|Oh, no! Not another NiceGuy[TM]      Merde! Pas encore! Un autre JoliGars[MD]*
>|
>
>   Umm.  I'm not extraordinarily up on my french, but the
>translation seems to be just a little bit inaccurate.

Yeah, well, I know my french isn't what |   Oui, mais je sais que mon
it used to be so I really don't think   | Francais n'est pas tres bien puis
that I'm qualified to flame him.        | je pense qu'il y est des autres 
Besides, my translation is pretty nasty,| que dois le faire avant moi.
too.                                    | Et, mes translations, ils ne sont
                                        | tres bien, aussi.  Et Heather, je
                                        | veut t'achete le boisson quelques
                                        | temps, mais je le laisse a toi
                                        | pour decider quel jour.  Cette
                                        | semaine?  C'est a toi.

Chris Veenstra

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: Changing the odds
Organization: The Cultural Elite
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:08:41 GMT

nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:

>If you
>are such a fitness nut, are you in an aerobics class?  I'm going to assume you
>are not.  I am also going to make some other assumptions: you ruled it out
>without even really giving it a thought because it is too wimpy, or for women,
>or the women in it will assume you are there to hit on them (ignore the fact
>that you are :)).  Let me offer that you could possibly find aerobics just as
>much fun as some of your other fitness activites, by changing some of those
>assumptions (pretend they really are yours).  For example, if you've ever done
>(or even watched) aerobics, particularly those that throw in a lot of cal, you
>realize it can be a real work-out. Men like to have fun too. If you keep your
>attention (and eyes) on your work-out, the others will realize you are there
>for the aerobics.  

>This last one has many beneficial side-effects.  If you are a beginner and
>sincerely trying to do things properly, you might elicit help.

I've taken a few years' worth of aerobics classes here at Columbia.  Some
had no men, but most had a few (three at most, out of about 20 "regulars").
My female friends and I who've been in those classes have always figured
the men in there must be pretty cool.  All of them have worked at the
exercise and haven't leered or stared in any obvious way that would make
anyone uncomfortable (a *little* gawking snuck here and there is not so
terrible :) ), and so we assume they have an interest in common with us,
have the guts to stand out in a crowd and defy gender stereotypes (this
gets big points with us women-in-science types), and are strong and
flexible.  Since it's a university gym, the odds aren't bad for their
intelligence.  I have no idea if any of the guys in those classes were looking
for women to go out with, but if any had asked me out I probably would
have said yes for the reasons I listed, and I am pretty picky.  The down
side of it as a way to meet women would be that it's not a very conver-
sational activity; in our gym, there isn't anywhere people can talk before
or after class except the locker room or the hallways, so it would be
difficult to strike up an acquaintance without putting your ego on the
line by asking someone to go out and do something with you.  Also, if
you sign up for a specific class, you only meet a limited number of people.
Still, it's really fun as exercise goes, and in my experience, it isn't
nearly as *silly* an activity as I'd been led to believe: nobody shouts
"whoo!" or anything.  Then again, this is Manhattan; that sort of crap
probably wouldn't go over very well here anyway.

---Julie
-- 
| "Come here, I want to show you something," he murmured...  "This is     |
| our baby; I had it yesterday," he said.  "My," I said hoarsely, "you're |
| full of surprises," and fell forward into his arms, arms, arms.         |
|             --- from "Sylvia", by Nicole Hollander                      |
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather)
Subject: Re: Meeting guys
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:54:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.080853.6159@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 21p@mach1.wlu.ca, macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:
>
>>I've been reading a lot lately here about how men should go about meeting
>>women, but nobody seems to be giving many suggestions on how women can meet
>>men.  I ended a four year relationship a month ago, and I'm ready to meet
>>someone new, but I'm not really comfortable with the bar scene.  There are
>>guys in some of my classes, but I'm pretty shy.  Can someone give me some
>>advice?
>
>Girl, You just won the prize!
>
>No doubt you have posted to soc.singles instead of soc.penpals....
>In other words, there is hope for you yet. 
>
>The prize?
>
>At least 60,000 single men (possibly more) have the opportunity to read
>the little thing you posted. By now, your mailbox is overflowing and your
>system admins will be after you to clean it out because it wastes GigaBytes
>of precious disc space.
>I'm spending HOURS here clearing it out myself!!  It's great fun!!

>Not only that, but as a bonus YOU, yes YOU, have the exclusive choice of
>which men to flirt with using email. You can be a WildTease by doing this!
>
>If they are crass a***o*es like EddieBaby, then you can just not answer them.
>Ain't that a thrill? All those TestosteroneDrippingMachoStudlyManlyRealMen
>who move furniture, drink cheap whiskey, never wash, and look through telescopes
>into innocent ISObabes' dormrooms want YOU because YOU posted here! </.Q
>                                                                        \
>                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>I have a big, black limo just waiting to pick YOU up at the Victoria BC
>Airport. Temptress, just tell me when you're arriving and we'll do HighTea at 
>the Empress Hotel, Wot.
>
>dreasmeister                                                          
>
>
>
>
>
How big is your limo, tempter?!?

Heather MacLeod                    "Coffee should be black as hell, strong
macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca              as death, sweet as love." (especially
Wilfrid Laurier University         during exams.)

Xref: sparky soc.singles:35754 alt.romance:15826
From: souchay@CAM.ORG (Francois Souchay)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
Subject: Re: Where did you meet your SO?
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:23:10 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1993Jan7.081731.28268@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>In article <C0GAK9.6pu@mach1.wlu.ca>, macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan6.064348.26971@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) writes:
>|> >As long as Heather got the ball rolling on the 
>|> >subject of meeting people, where you meet your
>|> >current partner?  Theorizing where to meet
>|> >people is one thing, what works is another.  
>|> >So how about some info for the group?
>|> Yes, absolutely!!  I'm getting hundreds of theories, let's hear some
>|> reallife experiences!!
>Well, quite frankly I rarely meet anyone when I'm actively trying to do
>so. It seems to be far easier to do when it's the furthest thing from
>your mind! Bizarre...
>
Been there. I seem to have women want to be with me when I'm passionately
involved already. On the other hand, aloneness seems to be self-perpetuating.

Anyway, met SOs :

1) Sharing a ski-lift. We got to talking about having jobs that let us get
away mid-week, and at the top I offered to show her some good trails.

2) A European movie. I expressed hope the fellow a few rows behind us would
stop coughing when the lights fade. He did, and we resumed chatting postfilm.

3) Working at a bar. She took care of the door, and I was the sound guy for
the band. She spotted me carrying a book of Einstein's life & times.

etc....

The common thread being that chasing SOs was possibly the furthest thing from
my mind when I met these (and other) women. Rather like the Zen injunction
not to think of a white elephant, finding someone occurs when 
this is not the goal.

Perhaps the success of detachment is due to the willfully independant
nature of North Americans? May we have some comments from Netters from
other places?

Francois.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: phantasm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Unvent...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:25:56 GMT


>>> blowfish
>> phantasm
> blowfish
phantasm

>>> I find it >really< hard to believe that
>>> one can't find a single jewish man in a city of 300,000 people.

>> I can find a single living female (one of my criteria) in a city of 300,000
>> people... That doesn't necessarily mean I want to be with her or that I do
>> not desire to meet others...

> I can dig that, but Shelley said that she couldn't find any men in her area,
> and, in fact, that she was >willing to relocate< in order to find the 'right
> man'. 
> That certainly comes across to me as being so picky as to what one is looking
> for that the problem just can't honestly lie with the people in the area, but
> with the person doing the searching.

I understand your view, blowfish... I merely contested what I felt became a
trifle out of hand... Not that I condone you becoming a sea-swine in Shelley's
eyes, but a veteran poster can come down pretty hard on someone new to the
game...

(For instance, I am traumatized by the hard, cruel posts of james...)

It may be an issue of priorities, or one of failing hope... Given the right
circumstances, I would relocate to find something I was looking for...

I do continue to wish Shelley the best in her search...

>>> Many many thousands of people on the net have heard
>>> of 'blowfish' or read my words.

>> Many were/are; many were/are not...

> And now, many new ones are :)
>
> peace
> r.

Indeed they are...

Fortune to you...

phantasm
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:46:50 GMT

 
ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
 
] In <1993Jan8.223312.20621@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
]     tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
]
] >Well, I'm glad you can quantify physical attractiveness so easilly; I
] >find it very hard to quantify--
]
] Really?  Hasn't the fitness movement given us a "scientific" definition
] of attractiveness ("fitness") and a host of easily quantifiable
] measurements -- body fat and muscle ratios, pulse rates, lap times,
] benchpress weight, bicep measurements, number of exercise "reps,"
] sports scores and "averages," to name just a few.
]
] What could be more quantified than that?
 
Well, if that's the definition of attractiveness that you use and it
works for you, well, then I guess you have easilly quantified tastes.
No one else I know uses such a standard of attractiveness--and, in
particular, I'm still laboring under the problem that none of the women
I find especially attractive meet our cultural ideal, nor do they tend
to look like each other.  (On the other hand, they all share the common
characteristic of having some really interesting verbal quirk--they do
great funny voices, make strange and wonderful sounds, or just have
particularly disctinctive ways of saying certain things.)
 
Trygve
--
   Because I Could Not Dump
 
Because I could not dump the trash--
Joe kindly stopped for me--
The garbage truck held but ourselves--
And bacterial colonies--
 
We slowly drove--Joe smelled of skunk--
Yet risking no delay
My hairdo and composure too,
Were quickly fumed away--
 
We passed a school, where dumpsters stood
Recycling--in the rain--
We picked up yields of industry--
Dead cats and window panes--
 
Or rather--Joe picked up--
Seeing maggot-lined cans--I recoiled--
When heir to smelly legacies,
What sort of woman--spoils?
 
We paused before a dump that seemed
A swelling of the ground--
The soil was scarcely visible--
Joe dropped--his booty--down.
 
Since then--'tis a fortnight--yet
Seems shorter than the day
I first set out the old fish heads--
And hoped Joe'd come my way--
 
      -- Andrea Patterson

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Seeking female companion
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:57:59 GMT

In article <1imkqtINNnag@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>
>I don't think the objection was to anonymous posting per se, but to posting
>personal ads to soc.singles.  There are groups like alt.personals.ads that
>*are* appropriate places to post personal ads.

   Some sites do not carry alt groups (as evidenced by dreas recent
glee at finding a whole new world *out there* ;) so shall we heap
SOlessness upon the platter of the deprived?  That would be inSOlent ;).

>  People who want to read
>personal ads subscribe to those groups, and there's no reason to inflict
>them upon people in soc.singles -- this is a discussion group.

   I don't feel inflicted upon to hit the n key jus' one more time.
Plus how the errant are treated here will either chase them away
making this a dry repetitive group or they may stick around
and become engaged (ahem, in the dialog I mean ;)

  songbird
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Naming the mother (was Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
Date: 07 Jan 93 00:35:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.205345.19622@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.073507.5214@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.114503.5203@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>>>I haven't actually seen any *references* for the percentage of unmarried
>>>mothers who do not name the father quoted with verifiable sources, though.
>
>	One point worth noting: naming the father and pursuing a claim
>of child support is a precondition for receiving family aid in every
>state in the union (federal law). This being the case, I would think
>naming the father to be the rule rather than the exception.

At least among unmarried mothers who want to receive family aid. 

I have no idea how many unmarried mothers there are, much less how many
apply to receive family aid.

-jen
From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Breaking up is hard to do....
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:40:06 GMT
Organization: Society for the Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless

In article <1993Jan7.151138.2520@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>Gee, I wonder why.  So, basically, what you told her was 'I don't want 
>to be emotionally involved with you, but is it okay if we fuck?'

I recently had a relationship in which, at the beginning, we both
agreed that we weren't compatible enough (for a number of reasons,
including religion [cheap tie-in to another thread]) for a "serious"
relationship, but we could be friends and (possibly) have a lot of fun
while we waited.  We did, for several months, then she found someone
to be serious about.  We're still friends.

Seth
Newsgroups: soc.singles