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From:         "tk0jut1@mvs.cso.niu.edu jim thomas" <TK0JUT1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: once upon a time....

Jean--

The reason some of us judge qualitative research to be far more
difficult, intellectually rigorous, and sophisticated than
quantitative research is that the question you pose are *ALWAYS*
lurking in the background and must continually be addressed in our
work. It's the nature of the paradigm (when done well), and not a flaw
in you (or the rest of us).  The meaning of each setting (and
corresponding questions) is different, and there's little closure.
We'd like to think that struggling through these issues improves our
work, and as many have argued, the methodological sophistication of
qualitative research has improved dramatically in the past 20 years.
Bruce, I think, has it right when he warns against the tyranny of
typologies, because this risks doing violence to our concepts or data.
Not that typologies aren't useful--they are!!  We should simply be
aware of their limits and the dangers they pose to oversimplication
and distortion. They are merely temporary, but useful, artifacts that
help make sense of something as we try to expand our understanding,
whether of data, method, or theoretical/philosophical underpinnings.

Another way to look at realism/idealism is that each is a stance we
take toward our data.  I think Gary laid out a nice summary/definition
in his paper.  But, I'm not sure there is anything inherent in
semiotics any more (or less) than in other perspectives that makes
semiotics a distinct third approach. It's quite possible to posit
language as either analytically "real" with an "objective structure"
for coding/decoding or as an ideational set of constructs that could
fall in the idealist camp. John Van Maanen has a related discussion on
"realist narratives" in TALES FROM THE FIELD. It doesn't address these
isues directly, but provides some useful insights.

Jim
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Subject:      $500 for Qualitative Research (fwd)

With some trepidation I forward the following message recently posted on
the EDTECH listserve.


>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:02:26 EDT
>Subject: $500 for Qualitative Research (fwd)
>Sender: EDTECH - Educational Technology <EDTECH@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
>Subject: $500 for Qualitative Research
>
>****************************************************************************
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>Announcing Special Research Award
>
>$500
>
>        For the best QUALITATIVE RESEARCH report on educational
>communications and technology.
>
>        The Special Research Award is funded by the ECT Foundation and
>coordinated by the Research and Theory Division of the Association for
>Educational Communications and Technology. The winner will receive a
>$500 cash award to be presented at the 1993 AECT National Convention in
>New Orleans, January 13-17.
>
>        Submitted papers must report an original, unpublished qualitative
>research investigation. Qualitative theories and methods may be applied
>from areas such as cultural anthropology, history, social psychology
>and sociology.
>
>        For more information and entry forms, contact:
>
>                Special Research Award
>                c/o AECT Awards Program
>                1025 Vermont Ave., NW, Suite 820
>                Washington, DC 20005
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>        Phone (202) 347-7834    Fax (202) 347-7839
>
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>        The ECT Foundation carries out the purposes and programs of the AECT
>that are charitable and educational in nature by promoting scholarship and
>leadership in the field.
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From:         C_DICKER@FAUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Distance Learning

I'm in the process of designing a course in "Applied Linguistics" to
be taught using distance learning medium.  ALthough we will have a few
class meetings, most of the course will be conducted at a distance.
I'd like to get some hints/suggestions from those of you who have
given and/or taken courses using a distance format.
-Thanks,
Craig
C_DICKER@FAUVAX
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Subject:      Exotic Classrooms

Many of you were interested in the reference I requested several
days ago for a description of a classroom from the perspective of
a "complete outsider"- one who lacked any points of reference whatsoever.
Well, here it is:
Sayres, William, "THe Singular Society of Loscho",  In D. Adams,
  Introduction and Education: A Comparative Analysis.

Thanks for the help.
One of you passed my original request to a colleague/friend who was
kind enough to refer me to several other related references.  I was
in the process of responding tto him/her when I lost my connection-
and the message was automatically deleted.  I wanted to get back to
that individual- thank him/her and ask a follow up question.  If you
recognize yourself in this message, please send me this person's
name and address.  Thanks,
Craig
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From:         rotha@SFU.CA
Subject:      typologies
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Jean:

Actually, Don Cunningham is a pretty good person to talk through some
of tehse issues.  He mentored me many moons ago during weekly meetings
which we referred to as "SHIT."  I remember it was on Tuesdays (IT),
but I don't know about SH.  ANYWAY, THESE MEETINGS HELPED ME TO
EMANCIPATE FROM objectivism, a tyrannic university, and some other
unpleasant things in my life.  So talk to him, or talk things through
with him, and you will be a good ways towards your goal.

Michael
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Subject:      double postings

I too am receiving double postings.
knowldenv@sjc.bitnet
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From:         Roger Wilson <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      Double postings
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Is anyone else receiving double postings from QUALRS-L,
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rwilson@educ.ucalgary.ca
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:47:00 EST
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From:         "Sharon L. Lang" <SLANG@UTOROISE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Distance Learning

I have not experienced distance learning myself, but have spoken with
Dr. Helen Lenskyj at this OISE  address.  There is also an Resources for
Feminist Research (RFR) journal out recently that deals with Communications.
Good Luck Craig!

Sharon Lang
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From:         "Lucille B. Bearon" <lbb@DUKGERI.GERI.DUKE.EDU>
Subject:      Social Organization of Qualitative Researchers
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I am interested in learning more about the social organization
of qualitative researchers in the US.  Do you know of any
studies which have been done on this topic?  For example, are we
mostly isolated researchers, perhaps the token qualitative researcher
in our department, university, or applied setting?  Are there
organized coalitions of people bound together by their methodological
preferences--such as professional organizations of qualitative
researchers, or sections or caucuses within organizations?  [I know
that my major professional organization, The Gerontological Society
of America, has a "Qualitative Interest Group"].  Are there universities
where qualitative research is institutionalized in formal programs in
qualitative methods (more than 2 courses), a department of qualitative
studies, a center for qualitative studies, etc?  Besides the journals
mentioned recently on this E-mail, and the E-mail network itself, what
other vehicles for communication exist--e.g., newsletters or regular
columns in newsletters?
I would appreciate any information you care to send.  My E-mail
address is LBB@dukgeri.geri.duke.edu.
Thanks
Luci Bearon, VA Medical Center, Durham, NC
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From:         JIMANDE@CC.UTAH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Realism=Positivism???
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If I could offer a couple of comments on the semiotic.  First there is
no need to set signs on a foundation of communication.  We engage the
world through a continuous exchange of energy.  Signs punctuate that
exchange and free us from the present--which is all we have available
without signs.  But there is no necessary constraint on private signs.
Thata dog can find its food dish each day is evidence of sign usage in
the dog, but perhaps not communication.  As a communication scholar
let me hasten to add that communication is the center of everything, buyt
lnot necessarily the foundation.

Second all experience is not necessarily dependent on sign--we can
have the present without them.  What that present is, of course, is
completely surrounded by signs.  Still all that can be known is not
effable.  This position holds that at root there is a common base
of experience which prevents languages from being entirely arbitrary
and allows translation to occur.  It is a contested position.
Third, there is a developing theory coming out of interpretive
sociology, language theory, semiotics, and pragmatics which holds that
human action is itself a semiotic system whereby action is a sign
of what is being done.  It is a step away from cognitive and
physiological determinates of behavior.  The theory is social action
theory.

Finally there are both realist and idealist strains in semiotics and
forms of social action theory.  They mostly split on the question
of our manner of engagement of the phenomenal world.
Jim Anderson
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From:         PGRAHAME@BENTLEY.BITNET
Subject:      Gracie essay

The essay entitled "Kindergarten as Academic Boot Camp" appears in the
6th edition of Henslin, Down to Earth Sociology, but not in earlier
editions.  I tend to think this essay appeared earlier elsewhere, but
Henslin (Free Press, 1991) does not CITE a source; just says "reprinted
by permission of the author."  So you can definitely find the essay in
Henslin, 6th ed., but I myself am curious about the source.  Does
anyone have an earlier citation?
Regards to Craig and to the list and its doubles,
Peter  pgrahame@bentley.bitnet
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From:         Nicholas Sturm <aa248@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: once upon a time....

>
>Jean: Maybe the idea of a typology for all or even a large number of
>the concepts/approaches/perspectives you mentioned is wrongheaded. To
>be sure, nice, neat Linnean-type typoplogies are comfortable and they
>sometimes are useful when the domain they attempt to cover is not
>human-created. But when one contemplates placing approaches to
>research which arise from sociology, psychology, linguistics, anthro
>pology, etc. into a single framework for comparison, the mind boggles.
>Even in linguistics, where researchers used to think there were fairly
>neat boundaries and maybe even a hierarchy relating different concepts,
>has given up the idea. Perhaps what would be more useful than a
>typology is a set of dimensions along which some of these concepts
>could be placed--sort of like an n-dimensional space, where each concept
>could have a location.
>
>Bruce Fraser
>
>
I think I'm on Jean's side of this.  I've given up on some of the dialogue
here because I have no historical base to understand the terms being used--
likely never will--unless the sources that have worked out each pretty
throroughly fall on to my desk.  Usually I just try to keep quiet and see
if some clarification arise.  Usually it has not and so I read some very
quickly and occassionally just hit the 'q'.  Sorry if that is some of yours.


--
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From:         MHORNEY@OREGON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Double postings

>Is anyone else receiving double postings from QUALRS-L,
>the first as per _normal_ and the second with _excessive_
>header listings?
>
>rwilson@educ.ucalgary.ca

yes
Mark Horney
School of Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
mhorney@oregon.uoregon.edu
(503) 346-2679
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From:         Gary Shank <P30GDS1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      jean's question

Hi folks -- I'm finally back at my desk after some much-needed
rest...great start of a discussion, Jean.  Let me go back and
look over the article  (the part you are refering to is actually
Don's deathless prose, but I know what he means) and let me try to
be clearer.
Gary
ps good to have you on the line michael.  jump in whenever you
wish.  also, alfred, i'm sure you've got some good ideas.  btw,
you still owe me a paper  :-)
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From:         PGRAHAME@BENTLEY.BITNET
Subject:      qualitative sociology and environmental studies

I would like to learn if list members know of recent publications which
use qualitative approaches to studying environmental issues.  I have just
received Steven Yearley's book, The Green Case, but know of little else.
Most sociological works on the environment seem to be quantitative, policy
oriented studies--i.e. studies which are geared to be taken up within an
administrative-managerial perspective.  Of course there are critico-
philosophical studies which lack specific empirical content.  Murray
Bookchin comes to mind, as well as some of the philosophical writings on
new social movements.  But what I want are qualitative, empirical studies
which apply rigourous methods in investigating environmental issues.
References to either advanced studies or to teaching materials are welcomed.
References can be shared with the list or sent directly to me, whatever you
like.

Thanks,
        Peter Grahame         pgrahame@bentley.bitnet
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From:         "Sharon L. Lang" <SLANG@UTOROISE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Double postings

YES, I'M GETTING DOUBLE POSTINGS AND EXCESSIVE HEADER LISTINGS!!
Sharon Lang
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              92 1:32 am

send listsevr@bitnic global
jstimpfl@unlinfo.unl.edu
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From:         Michael_Roth@SFU.CA
Subject:      Realism=Positivism???
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Jean:

I would also love to hear your response.  And may be contribute in turn

Michael
================================
Wolff-Michael Roth, Ph.D.
Research Methods & Science Education
Faculty of Education
Simon Fraser University
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From:         Roger Wilson <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      List Global

>To get a BITNET listing of lists send the following message
>from your system prompt:
>
>send listserv@bitnic list global
>
>                         Ermel

Just a word of caution. If my memory serves me correctly (and
it hasn't always) you will receive a very large file in
return. Dumping this to a WP and laser printer for our dept.
some months ago, produced some 85 pages. Beware!
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From:         Yvonna Lincoln <E101YL@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Double postings
              20 Aug 1992 12:43:36 MDT from <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>

Dear Roger and others:  Yes.  I just got back from a short vacation, and have f
ound nearly every message from the qualitative research group "double-billed".
 With LOTS of headers, all incomprehensible.  Jude, what's happening?   Yvonna
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From:         "Tom Schwandt, 856-8341" <SCHWAND@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: once upon a time....

Just say "no" to typologies.  I appreciate your concern Jean; sorting out
terminology isn't easy, but I think that part of the problem is that
folks (I'm guilty too) bat around a host of terms, give them new meaning,
and so on, and ignore any kind of intellectual tradition that may be
associated with that term.  Constructivism is a good example.  Its a
VERY hot item these days in math and science ed and it has been
popularized by Bruner in both Actual Minds, Possible Worlds and Acts of
Meaning.  Guba and Lincoln call their methodology the constructivist
paradigm and Elliot Eisner writes about a constructivist approach to
inquiry grounded in aesthetics.  Nelson Goodman is the constructivist
philosopher par excellence; Ken Gergen writes about social constructionism
(note: the change in term); then there's social constructivism and of
course radical constructivism (ala von Glaserfeld).  Some constructivists
are idealists, some realists.  but you can't easily sort this all into
a typology or a schema in which a term even remotely resembles an
operational definition.  Thinking of terms like constructivism,
interpretivist, etc. as "sensitizing concepts" (H. Blumer's idea) that sort
of point you in the general direction seems like a useful approach.

Good luck on your quest for clarity.

Tom schwandt
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From:         jude <JGOETZ@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Double postings
              20 Aug 1992 12:43:36 MDT from <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:43:36 MDT Roger Wilson said:
>Is anyone else receiving double postings from QUALRS-L,
>the first as per _normal_ and the second with _excessive_
>header listings?
>
Yes, Roger, we all are.  I'm attempting to get this cleared up.
This is mail improperly returned from some machine, directed to
the Qualrs-l address instead of to listserv@uga.

While I'm on the subject, any time mail to a subscriber is
undeliverable, it gets returned to me via listserv@uga.
Sometimes this happens when machines are down or links are
down, and it's just temporary.  Other times it happens
when subscribers close their accounts without unsubbing
from any lists they're on (as I suspect in this case).
It also happens when subscribers let mail pile up in their
accounts; eventually it just gets refused and routed back
to me.

Part of my job (sometimes it feels like ALL of my job) as
listowner is to decide what to do with the returned mail.
I cannot contact the subscriber by e-mail for the same
reasons that the individual's QUALRS-L mail is being
returned.  I usually let the mail bounce back for a couple
of days before contacting the postmaster at that address or
deleting the subscriber from the list or setting their
subscription to "nomail" until I can get back to them.
In this case, because the returned mail is coming to the
list (a serious breach of e-mail etiquette, I understand),
I deleted the subscriber within a few hours.

Consider this a plea to keep those mailboxes clear, to use
the "nomail" option when you can't, and to unsubscribe whenever
your account is being renamed or closed.  And remember, BIG
SISTER will know *wink* j.

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