HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wthomas@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Sore knee!  : -(
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: wthomas@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Thomas)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

DON't DO IT!!!!. At the very least back off on your training
for awhile -ignore the guilt of not training.  What you are
dealing with is possibly not being able to run again.
After three years of heavy training and many triathlons I
wore my knees out and cannot run anymore, even after
surgery. There are several things that I learned from
my knee surgeon. First, this whole idea of ignoring pain,
especially knee pain is crazy. The phrase 'no pain, no gain'
when it comes to knees should be deleted. Second, all human
bodies are not created equal. Knees do wear out. The life
of one man's knees in terms of wear can differe greatly when
compared to another.  Third, people think that knee surgeory
can cure everything. It can't. If you don't believe me, talk
to a reputable knee surgeon. So far, it's been three years
since my knee surgeory, and I've only gotten to the point where I
can run after my one year old son when I have to.
bill
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: E5EM <E5EM@UNB.CA>
Subject: VO2 MAX
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:47:21 GMT

As long as some of you are talking about vo2 maxs', thought I'd give
my .02. I had my first v02 max test last April and had a max of 58
ml/kg. This was measured twice, three weeks apart in a physiology
lab(I think I spelled it right), so there was no question about the
result. I had it measured again last Friday and had a vo2 max of
66.85 ml/kg with max hr of 196. I was very surprised at the
increase, even though I did have a good Summer and have been
training indoors.  person doing the test said that increases like
that are not uncommon, but that it is very unlikely that I will see
another improvement like this again. Heres a question :Is 66.85
ml/kg good ? I'm going into my third season of racing this summer,
and I'm currently 19 years old.



         Kevin Besner University of New Brunswick

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: lynnmar@bgtys7.uucp (Lynn Marshall)
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Reply-To: lynnmar@bgtys7.UUCP (Lynn Marshall)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:55:22 GMT

Just to give you a different perspective, here's the year's stats for
a swimmer who does triathlons (as opposed to a triathlete)!

Background:
I've been a competitive swimmer for 22 years!  I'm a distance freestyler
and compete in indoor and outdoor competitions up to about 5k or 3 miles.
I started doing triathlons in 1991 and did *much* more cycling and running
in 1991 than I did in 1992.  In 1992 I focussed on the World Masters Swim
Championships so didn't start running and cycling until mid-July and
decided to compete only in short (+/- 1/2 Olympic Distance) tris in '92.
Wetsuits are against my religion :-).

Total mileage for 1992:
Swim: 1889.4km (1174.3 miles)
Bike:  774km    (481 miles)
Run:    98km     (61 miles)

Highlights:
- first *overall* in 5k open water swim at World Masters (1:02.51.8)
- 5 golds (100m, 200m, 400m, 800m free, and 5k open water) and 
  2 silvers (50m free and 400IM) at World Masters Swim Champs (30-34 women)
- top woman in local triathlon series (5 races)
- top woman in two local triathlons and 2nd in two others
- won $$ for first place in two women's team triathlons (swimmer)
- winner of all the open water swimming races entered
- fastest swim leg on all (individual) triathlons entered
- top 20 at Canadian (non-Masters) Nationals and oldest competitor :-(
- many swimming PBs (gets harder every year!)

Lowlights:
- triathlon with hilly 22k cycle course without enough training
- beaten by 2 seconds in swim leg (1k) of team triathlon!

Goals:
- do some cycling and running :-)
- at least one swimming PB
- try a 10k (or longer) swim race

Lynn Marshall
Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
P. O. Box 3511 Station C
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada  K1Y 4H7
ph: (613) 765-4856
fax: (613) 763-4222
e-mail: lynnmar@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: JDiscs at a discount
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:41:24 GMT

I found that you can get J-Discs even cheaper if you send them the wheel
to be J-Disced.  I had two wheels built by Colorado Cyclist (same rims
that Nosler uses (Sun) and Ultegra hubs; front radially laced) for ~$130,
and had the rear J-Disced for $139.  Total for a front and a J-Disc rear
was the same price Nosler charges for just a rear.  Since I couldn't find
anyone (fall '91) to join me and one friend, we couldn't take advantage of
their quantity discount, but got the wheels as described above.  Nosler
processes wheels sent to them just as they process their own (overstressing
and gluing).

Just my $.02.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: hehn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jeff Hehn)
Subject: Training advice required
Reply-To: hehn@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: The Univeristy of Manitoba.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:02:15 GMT

Hi group,
	I am new to this sport (will do first one this summer) and would
like some advice. I am 28 years old and mostly interested in olympic distance tri's 
and 5-10 km runs. I have been working for the most part on my swim and run
and would now like to begin to bring in some bike training. I swim and run
3 times a week on alternating days (detail below). What days should I 
bike? I am more concerned with injuring myself that I am in finishing first
in any competetions. I have been hampered by nagging knee pain most of
the summer and fall which I think was caused mostly by running to fast on an
indoor track with sharp corners and no banking. Since christmas I have been 
running outside and on a treadmill and my knees seem to be much better.

My current training routine is (since summer):
Swim: 5km/week all in lane swims
	Mon, Fri am - 1.5 km 	
	Wed am      - 2.0 km  (with 1 km ladder)
Run: ~20/week outside and treadmill
	Tues, Thur pm - 5 km  
	Sat or Sun aft- 10 km

Last week I started to add some biking (stationary of course)
Bike:
	Tues, Thur am - 5 km
	Sat, aft      - 10 km	
Hence I was biking and running on mostly the same days.
I am better to combine dual workouts with biking and swimming, 
biking and running, swimming and running? 
I hope to slowly increase my biking and running miles, 
can I do so on the same week (following the 10%/week rule)? 

_________________________________________________________________
                         
~~~o~/~     __o      o 	      Jeff L. Hehn,  Phd. Student
~/YUY~~   ='\<,    <*V        Dept. of Agricultural Engineering
~~~W~~~  (@)/(@)  '\/_	      Univ. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Man.
~~/~\~~               L	      Internet: hehn@ccu.umanitoba.ca
________________________________________________________________
From: hbtnn@usno06.nor.chevron.com (Brian Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Aerobic Capacity
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:41:07 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1993Jan6.192312.13131@nosc.mil>, derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion) writes:
|> In article <7119@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
|> >What is Aerobic Capacity? Is it thesame as VO2 max?
|> The V is really
|> written as a V with a dot over it.  (People either don't know
|> this, or incorrectly omit it.)  The V stands for volume, and the dot
|> over the V (which I can't show with the editor) means "rate" or
|> "per unit time".

To be really nit-pickey, the dot is a derivative symbol...

YES!!!!  you have encountered/used your caculus in the real world!

Brian
--
Why yes, I am a geophysicist/mathematician...
From: shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Shampain Shon F2A x8109 )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: JDiscs at a discount
Date: 4 Jan 1993 09:32:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	JDiscs Even Cheaper!!!
	======================

	I just found out that Noesler Research (the maker of JDisc) will 
	give a ``team'' discount on JDiscs if 4 or more are purchased.  
	This discount is approximately 15%.  I will be taking care of 2 of 
	these.  If you are interested in buying a JDisc in January or 
	February, please contact me:

	shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu

	PS  When researching wheels for my new bike, I compared the latest
	aero offerings from the major contendors.  What I found was exactly
	what I found last time I purchased wheels:  there is noone producing
	wheels that are as light and as cheap as JDiscs.  The approximate
	prices are:

			Regular		Team
			--------	--------
		JDisc:	$ 279.00	$ 237.15	Freewheel-style
			$ 352.00	$ 299.20	DA 8-spd cass
		JDF:	$ 299.00	$ 254.15	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:22:30 GMT

After a year of work, I can finally write my:

1992 RACE & TRAINING SUMMARY

Mileage:

SWIM:	240 miles (mostly back-and-forth in a pool, yawn...)
BIKE:	6050 miles (felt like I rode twice across the USA)  8^)
RUN:	1150 miles (the pounding, please stop!)
OTHER:	Countless sessions in the weight room and on the wind trainer along
	with some XCSKI outings.

Total Training Time: 700 hours

Races:

APR 25, Paperchase Biathlon [5K run|15M bike|5K run]
- Cold (32F), windy, damp.  Ran steady on runs due to recovering knee injury.

MAY 2, Operation Santa [10K run]
- Took third in a small field.  Felt good enough to swim/bike after race.

MAY 16, Terre Haute Triathlon [1K swim|40K bike|8K run]
- Good swim, 40K PR, but flat on run, yet still managed a top ten finish.

MAY 23, World of Winners Biathlon [2M run|16M bike|2M run]
- Took 6th in my hometown, despite nasty weather (30MPH winds, rain, 40F).

JUN 7, Cream of Wheaton [10K run]
- Ran with leaders for the first mile then blew up, big time.  Ouch!

JUN 14, Crystal Lake Triathlon [1K swim|30K bike|7K run]
- Felt good and cruised to a top ten finish.

JUN 21, Springfield Ironhorse [1.5M swim|45M bike|10M run]
- Recovered from a terrible swim to have a most excellent bike and run.

JUN 28, Beloit Triathlon [400yd swim|15M bike|3M run]
- Went all out and got a top five finish.  Legs tired from the Ironhorse.

JUL 26, Janesville Triathlon [0.25M swim|18M bike|4.2M run]
- Moved up to 4th place after a great bike, but paid the price on run.  Still
  finished in the top ten overall.

AUG 2, NCC Triathlon [1.5K swim|40K bike|10K run]
- Somewhat demoralized after this race.  Even though I took 10 minutes off my
  Olympic distance PR with a 2:05, I finished near the back of my age group.

AUG 16, Rockford Triathlon [0.25M swim|15M bike|3M run]
- Was having a great race until I broke my front wheel, but I finished.

AUG 23, Sun-Times Triathlon [1.5K swim|40K bike|10K run]
- Slow swim, fast bike, good run.  Lake Shore Drive is smooth and fast!

AUG 30, Coors Light Duathlon [5K run|30K bike|5K run]
- Great bike, but cramped on second run from late night out.

SEP 20, Lung Run [10K run]
- Actually led the race (for first 1/2 mile) and set a PR.

OCT 3, Mt. Horeb (aka Horrible) Biathlon [2M run|14M bike|2M run]
- Hilly!  Ran with lead pack, then held out for 5th place overall.

OCT 25, Chicago Marathon
- DNS, came down with a high fever the day before which was later diagnosed
  to be pneumonia.  Major bummer.

Goals for 1993:

Swim, swim, swim!  And then swim some more.
Break 2 hours for an Olympic distance race.
Do an Ironman distance race.


Todd Jensen                           o
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: Re: Aerobic Capacity
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:23:12 GMT

In article <7119@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>What is Aerobic Capacity? Is it thesame as VO2 max?

Maximal O2 uptake, or VO2 max, is indeed the same as "aerobic
capacity".  Strictly speaking, the point at which the VO2 shows no
further increase with an increase in the exercise workload is called
maximal oxygen consumption, maximal oxygen uptake, maximal aerobic
power, or simply VO2 max.  I am an exercise physiologist by training,
and it is my impression that generally, people don't really
understand what the symbol "VO2" stands for.  The V is really
written as a V with a dot over it.  (People either don't know
this, or incorrectly omit it.)  The V stands for volume, and the dot
over the V (which I can't show with the editor) means "rate" or
"per unit time".  The O2 of course means oxygen.  VO2 is usually
expressed as liters/minute or ml/kg/min (milliliters/kilogram of
body weight/minute).  To determine VO2, you must measure the 
person's minute ventilation (liters exhaled in one minute) and also
the % (or fraction) of O2 and CO2 in the expired gas (and plug into
an equation).

> What is considered high/good for  such a capacity/?

The breakdown goes something like this:

                                   WOMEN              MEN
average couch potato:   VO2 max = 39 ml/kg/min        43 ml/kg/min

ELITE ATHLETES:
speed skaters                     55    "             77    "
cyclists                           ?                  75    "
runners                           58                  79
XC skiers                         65                  83

A healthy sedentary male who takes a VO2 max test on a treadmill will
probably max at around 40-45 ml/kg/min.  Notice that XC skiers have
a higher VO2 max than other athletes.  THis is because XC skiing
requires more of the body's total muscle mass.

The only way to absolutely know what your own VO2 max is is to
get tested at a lab at a university or somewhere that has the
necessary physiological measurement instrumentation, and trained
personnel.  A max test is generally safe if you're healthy.

Toni D.
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:00:44 GMT
Subject: Re: The '92 Chapman Report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

Man, I've been waiting for this report all year. Thanks!!

By the way, wasn't there a milestone that went un-mentioned?

   Your 200th multi-sport event perhaps??

-RC
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: info on Muncie?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:20:22 GMT

In article <265@heimdall.sdrc.com> aatd1@sgies14.sdrc.com (derek hart) writes:
>Hi all..
>
>Does anyone know if the Muncie Endurathon (1/2 Ironman length) will be a Championship
>Race this year?  Meaning: will entry require qualification?
>
>I am curious because a friend and I had talked each other into trying it two years ago
>only to find that we could not enter for this reason.  In order to consider it again, I
>would probably have to start building milage now, so I am curious if I would end up 
>disappointed again, or if I could actually race with some of you super-dudes (and dudettes).
>
>thanks.  Derek Hart

I did this race in 1991 when it was the National Long Course Championships.
There was no need to have met any qualifying requirements - just send in your
entry fee.  I'm sure it's the same this year.

The only Championship race that Tri-Fed has that needs qualification is
the National Olympic Distance Championships, which are being held in
beautiful Hammond, IN on July 11th at the famous Leon's Triathlon.  Sure, they
have a list of standards you need to meet for all types of races, but I've
only been required to prove results for the National Olympic Distance race.
Last time Leon's held the Nationals he let non-qualifiers in because he had
extra space.

My advice is, if you really want to do the race, contact the race director
and ask him to let you in - after all, how many race directors are 
willing to lose $60+ by turning away entrants?

Todd Jensen                                  o
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From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: massage
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:34:21 GMT

In article <5859@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert) writes:
>>Anyway, the question is, what are some good oils/ointments/concoctions
>>etc that are of benefit with a massage, i havent been using any to
>>date.

I've had good luck using mineral oil.  When in a jam I have also used skin
lotions such as Vaseline Intensive Care.  

Todd Jensen                                  o
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From:  Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: Dave Scott Article
Originator: jonesey@crystal
Reply-To:  Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:20:32 GMT


In the October 1992 issue of OUTSIDE magazine there is an informative
article on Dave Scott.  The article is titled:

Dave Scott, Mere Mortal
For 12 years, no one anywhere was fitter, bolder, more driven - six ironman
titles proved it.  And now that's all over.  The original triathlete, fitfully
retired, struggles to live without his sport, and his sport without him.

(the magazines words, not mine.)


Doug Jones

"The 93 season is upon me, unfortunately, so still
are all the 92 christmas cookies."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer - i have no interest in OUTSIDE magazine, heck, i don't even 
             subscribe to it!
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:38:55 GMT
Subject: The '92 Chapman Report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

Historical Training Miles:

           RUN                      BIKE                 SWIM
  88  89  90  91  92  |   88   89   90   91   92|  88   89   90   91   92
                      |                         |
J 30  45  47  75  84  |   62   63   47   84  162|   2.1  3.5  1.5  8.5 7
F 40  51  46  81  81  |  128   46  116  200  183|   5    7    6.1  5.5 7
M 46  58 107 120 100  |  193  244  314  298  291|   8.9  9.5 11.0  6.5 11.3
A 94 100  86 115  93  |  288  379  357  245  376|  10.8 12.5  8.0 11.8 9.8
M 89  93  97  89  90  |  396  429  489  374  496|  11.6 12.0  9.5 10.5 12.4
J 97  77  64  84  88  |  420  375  433  404  395|  12.9 10.5  8.9 12.6 11.8
J 83  87  80 103  70  |  523  451  498  487  391|  13.3 11.5  8.6 10.9 11.3
A 14  79  82  94  59  |  520  312  407  419  582|  14   11    5.8 11.3 6.3
S 67  97  75 104  49  |  306  218  363  397  517|   5.6  5.8  2    8.0 5
O 94  80  98  86  93  |  263  210  254  382  286|   6.6  4    3.5  5.8 5.5
N 89  88  92  85 107  |  191  218  269  126  132|    .5  5    4    4.4 3.5
D 50  38  95  81 102  |   68   88  164  194  120|   2    4.5  7.5  4.5 4.5
                      |                         |
 891 893 969 1118 1015| 3358 3033 3711 3610 3931|  93   96    77   100 95


TOTAL TRAINING HOURS:  (does not include driving, stretching, showering etc.)
  1987:  441
  1988:  510  (Ironman summer)
  1989:  447
  1990:  439  
  1991:  467
  1992:  453


Races:
  
  NORDIC SKIING
    1 -- 10K                 (Saloman Series)
    1 -- 20K                 (Frisco Gold Rush)
    1 -- 42K                 (Snow Mtn Ranch Stampede)
    
  RUNNING
    1 -- 26.2 mi             (Collegient Peaks)
    1 -- 13.1 mi             (Horsetooth 1/2)
    1 -- 10 mi               (Run portion of Evergreen Tri)
    1 -- 10K                 (Human Race)
    1 -- 50K                 (Pre-Holiday Depletion)

  CYCLING
    1 -- 18 mi               (Buckeye Road Race; 1st place cit. 30-39)
    4 --  6 mi               (Bike Broker TT Series; 2nd ovrl)
    1 -- 10 mi               (FtC cyclecross)

  MULTI-SPORT
    1 -- 5K ski/5K bike/5K SS (Snowman Winter Triathlon)
    1 -- 1k/18 mi/6 mi        (Longmont)
    1 -- 1.5k/24 mi/10k [DNF] (Pueblo)
    1 -- 1.5k/26 mi/10k       (Boulder Peak)
    1 -- 2k/13 mi/~6k         (FtC Duathlon)
    1 -- 5k/30k/5k            (Coors Light Duathlon)


Highlights:
  * Finishing a 42K nordic ski race with almost no ski-specific training.
  * My lightening fast recovery from Collegient Peaks.

Lowlights:
  * First DNF at Drag'n-on-in tri. One flat then a hole in the spare tube.

Firsts:
  * 42K nordic ski race
  * Participant on a team in a triathlon (Evergreen).
  * DNF (Pueblo Tri)
  * Going off course in a race (Ft. Collins Duathlon).
  * A 200+ mile bike week
  * Single day bike ride of 157 miles & 11,000 verts.
  * Pissing blood after a run.
  * Cyclecross race.
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: massage
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:16:18 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1993Jan4.234901.11464@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath) writes:


>--
>G'day,

>I think this question was posted many months ago but i didnt 
>get the answer, so if it was could the person whom asked it email
>me with the replies he got.

>Anyway, the question is, what are some good oils/ointments/concoctions
>etc that are of benefit with a massage, i havent been using any to
>date.

I don't recall if there were any answers to this, so I'll add my contribution.

I asked my sister, who is a massage therapist, about this.  She said that
any vegetable oil that you happen to have in the house is a good choice.
She personally makes her own combination of peanut oil and olive oil and
adds one of several essences, which don't affect the massage but smell nice.
Her favorite essence is almond, but she also uses orange and lemon.

She said that many people complain that they don't like to use certain
vegetable oils because they don't like the smell.  She said that oils should
not have an odor, and if they do, it's because they are rancid -- vegetable
oils should be refrigerated.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Subject: massage
Reply-To: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:49:01 GMT


--
G'day,

I think this question was posted many months ago but i didnt 
get the answer, so if it was could the person whom asked it email
me with the replies he got.

Anyway, the question is, what are some good oils/ointments/concoctions
etc that are of benefit with a massage, i havent been using any to
date.

Thanks

/-------------------------------------------------------------\
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|   University of New South Wales                             |
|   Sydney, Australia.                                        |
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|   In the beginning there was chaos.....nothings changed!!   |
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From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:20:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Hed Cx Wheels
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server