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From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Face it...  We depend on white people...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:55:57 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <BzI6K5.4G3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
>We depend on white people for food.  We depend on white people for
>WE DEPEND ON WHITE PEOPLE. (paraphrased by lashlepi@newton)
Now. I agree.  And we may subtitle this one: Changing the discussion - type thig. For herei  lie what i believe a re valid solutions. Its sat. mornibg. Ill be back with more on this..
the supermarket call(and you KNOW where the moneys going).............
Phil
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From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Face it...  We depend on white people...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 09:05:10 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce

        >We depend on white people for food.  
        
Who else do you speak for besides yourself?  Magic Johnson doesn't        
rely on white people for food.

        >We depend on white people for shelter.  
        
You surely don't speak for ALL black (note the proper spelling)        
Americans.  Who else do you portend to speak for beside yourself?

        >We depend on white people for clothing.  
        
Speak for yourself.        

        >We depend on white people for jobs.  We depend on white people 
        >for fuel.  We depend on white people for education.  We depend 
        >on white people for police.  We depend on white people for water.  
        >We depend on white people for electricity.  We depend on white 
        >people for automobiles...As much as I hate to say.... Looking 
        >around we depend on white people for everything... They don't 
        >depend on us for anything except a possible labor source, and 
        >athletics... 
        
My, my it sure is nice to be so self-sufficient.  I never realized that        
I had so MUCH in common with all the other white people in this country.

        >Until we can build, produce innovate we will be like a Third World 
        >nation inside of america.

You forgot to capitalize "America."  Are you saying that blacks are inferior
and can NOT build, produce, and innovate?  I find this passage to be highly
offensive, and I'm not even black.

        >And if we do become one nation if we ever ever do, when will the 
        >man play a square game...A fair game...When there is a black owner 
        >of this business and a white one of this one and a yellow one of 
        >this one, 
        
Let's see if I've got this straight: Since whites makes up 80% of the U.S.,        
and blacks make up 12%, you want businesses to be owned 50-50, right?

        >and each one has employees based on his skills and not colors.  
        
Yet out of the other side of your mouth, you argue for quota bills.        

        >And these businesses do businesses with a variety of businesses, 
        >and communities.  
        
The successful business does business with everyone that he derives benefit
from doing business with.

        >When will this happen if ever...
        
Probably when people stop whining about the past and look to the future.        

        >And if you don't want to play a square game, stop hiding it behind 
        >my back and come out and tell me.  
        
I want to play a fair game.  But a game that gives preferential treatment        
to you, due to nothing more than skin color, is not my idea of a fair
game.  The idea that Diana Ross's child should have some sort of advantage
over my child is ludicrous.

--Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: "White man's" AIDS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:02:40 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <503@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Paul M Mweene, pmmst8+@pitt.edu writes:
>This is not the first time in the history of this country that disease
>has been used to kill a segment of the population. Small pox killed
>many Indians, and syphillis was allowed to kill tens of black men this
>century, with US govt. accession.
>
>There are many theories. All of them start at the CIA lab in Ft Detrick Md.
>Essentially, the USA military created a virus (HIV). They then infected gays in
>the USA and blacks in Africa. 
>

No, no.  You got it wrong.  Zfaserians (from the planet Clidur in sector 2 of
this galaxy) sent the HIV virus to earth as a precursor to their invasion in
the year 2003.  But the dispersion module of the attack craft broke up upon
entering the earth's atmosphere (obviously, it was made by their equivalent to 
the "lazy American worker") and only two samples managed to reach their targets.  
One landed right smack in the middle of San Fransisco, and the other properly 
dispersed the virus all over Africa.


>>
>>At least you're not pretending to know any biology.
>
>Just because you have done BZ 110 does make you a hero on top secret 
>US govt Biological warfare.

Let me guess, you have had BZ 210?

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|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Louis FarraKKKhan
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:30:56 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <Bz10B7.F7M@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes in a Stromer
vein:
>
>
>Indeed, it does no service, either to the reality of Malcolm or
>to history, to try to moderate in memory the racial vituperativeness
>of his oratory then.  "We don't want to integrate with that ole pale
>thing!" he would cry to black audiences, light flashing blankly off
>his glasses.  "The dog is their closest relative.  They got the same
>kind of hair, the same kind of skin, and the same kind of _smell_.
>Oh, yeahhhh!"
.
.
.
I've heard the same from others.  It is also true that in the TV
version of "Roots," the males were warned about the whites prowling
for slaves. "Remember, they have the smell of a wet chicken!" said
the brother, who may have been Moses Gunn, the actor.
.
Some of this is based on fact, dude.  Malcolm was basically
reminding them what their parents or grandparents had told of how
whites smelled and how their cooking was different.  He was
propounding their racial memory. Brothers and sisters knew this was
true.
.
Sometimes white guys do smell like wet dogs or chickens!  Or iron.
Now that they've discovered Drakkar Noir, maybe things will get
better...

>It was a racial invective that was only an inverse, in fact, of that
>to be heard whinnying from the flatbed loudspeakers at any cow-pasture
>Klan rally of the time.  Malcolm insisted this was only reflexive to
>400 years of white racism, but it captured him in the same cramped,
>bleak mentality, which placed a racial construction on all life.  Malcolm
>readily professed that he shared the Southern whites' aversion to
>integration, as a sure prelude to miscegenation.  As he declared,
>integrationists "want your wife and your daughter and your sister
>and -- and your _mother._"
.
.
So?

>It is not, then, quite so bizarre as it might first seem that one
>night in 1961 Malcolm held a clandestine meeting with Klan chieftains
>in Atlanta to solicit their support for the Muslim ambition to
>establish a separate country within the United States.  He told
>the assembles Klansmen that the Muslims were as deeply committed
>to segregation as they were, and, according to an F.B.I. report,
>assured them that "the Jew is behind the integration movement,
>using the Negro as a tool."
.
.
Sorry, but I beat you to the punch in regards to my putting Clay
Carson's piece on Malcolm's meeting with the Klan.  He was Elijah
Muhammad's mouthpiece then.  Even then he felt funky about even
working with these despicable cats.
.
So what's to prove about all this?
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What's wrong w/ Our Skin Color?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:02:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Fred,

I've also encountered the same thing, but unlike Greg I just stopped offering
to help. I figure they'll workit out for themselves what ever the situation
might be. I've even encountered this with some SISTERS and that was surprising
to me at first. Then I realized it wasn't just because of my skin color, it
was my skin color, age, gender and appearance at least that's what one Sister
told me. She said because I was wearing jeans, sneakers, black sweatshirt and
a baseball style cap I looked like a hood and she didn't think I was to be
trusted. I sometimes get the same reaction from cab drivers, unless I'm with
my wife. Brothers are getting a bad rap because of a few knuckle heads out
there. So don't take it too personal. It's probably happened to all of us
at some time or another.


STORM

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Emitt Tills : Question
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:37:07 GMT

David James Hahn asks about Emmett Till:
>I was wondering if someone could help me out with a question...
>[rest deleted]

From memory: Emmett Till was a Black teenager in the early 1950's
who lived in the north (the exact city escapes me, but for some
reason my brain is registering Chicago). He went down south to
visit some relatives one summer (again, the city escapes me but
I think it was in Tennessee, perhaps Memphis). He was lynched
one night by a group of white men for allegedly whistling at a
white woman (the wife of one of the white men). They abducted him
from his relative's farm, beat him, shot him, gouged one of his
eyes out, tied him to a weight and threw him in a river. _Jet_
magazine did a full story on it when it happened -- they had 
pictures of Till's body that were utterly appalling. Till was
the only child -- I met his mother several years ago and it was
obvious that the pain was still very real for her even after
30+ years. 
If it can wait till tomorrow, I can check when I get
home to give more concrete details.
BTW, the white men were tried and, of course, got off scott-free.
The trial was a landmark in whatever-state-it-was because it marked
the first time a Black person testified against whites in that state.
Hope this helps,
	Darryle
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Mweene Islands vs. Normal Islands
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:44:36 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)

In article <101982@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>I haven't looked up the details of the WHO smallpox vaccination
>campaign, and in particular, whether there was a potential problem
>with shared needles.

I looked up the final WHO report on smallpox eradication.  (Most of the
other potential references were checked out--I think someone has a paper
due.)  It gave no specific indication about the prospect of needle sharing,
so what follows is speculation.

The main device was a foot operated injector.  Presumably the needle was
disposable.  It was designed so that almost anyone could use it, since there
were not enough clinicians to go around.  Unless the device deliberately
mangled the needles, I can imagine some operators without any modern medical
training taking short cuts, especially when running out of needles while
tracking down a very remote outbreak of difficult access cases.  On a
good day, some operators would inoculate 1000 people!  Assuming even a
ten hour day, that's still 100/hour or once every 36 seconds.  No doubt
there were more concentrated times with breaks in between, so I get the
impression the machine would be used with as little as 10 seconds between
shots.

Skimming the report suggested yet another possible way to spread HIV.
Before Jenner discovered cowpox vaccination, a more dangerous technique
known as variolation--inoculating someone with pus from a smallpox victim
--was widespread.  Stamping out variolation and the occasional smallpox
outbreak it induced was a major problem in Ethiopia and a minor one in
Malawi during the 67-77 WHO campain, among other places.  This practice
had disappeared by then in the other central African countries, but it
may have spread some HIV in the early sixties.

Curiously, the report mentioned "monkeypox".  It was a harmless smallpox
lookalike that was only discovered because of the thoroughness of the
search for smallpox cases.  It was never proven to have come from monkeys,
but this was listed without much comment as a possible source.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Parks doesn't repond: AGAIN
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:04:28 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) wrote:
:
:Anyway, quit dumping on poor Terry.  In similar situations, I've
:observed that people don't reply mostly because they lack ability
:or heart to do it.  Either way, it makes *you* look cruel for
:pushing the point, like a button, regardless of her color or
:gender.  Knock it off.

I probably shouldn't have said "Knock it off."


A.
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:38:37 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

|> The real reason AA exists is that racists need a place to work.

|> <blah blah> omitted

Terry, you're sounding like a broken record.  Don't you
have anything new or constructive to say?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:15:06 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: The Devil's Advocate

In <1992Dec16.123711.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.050334.3064@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>> In <1992Dec14.113247.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>I didn't say "More Brutal".  However give me some examples of slavery which
>>>has been as brutal as U.S. slavery and has continued for the number of years
>>>that slavery did in this nation.  
>>>America has still held on to its notion of blacks being inferior.
>> 
>>Brazil.  Blacks make up a much larger percentage of the population
>>there than here, yet whites still dominate the power structures.
>> 
>  It was stated in this conference that blacks were imported from Africa
>  throught the continent of America.
>  Keeping this in mind.  Why does the U.S. have these big bad Africans who are
>  unappreciative and always starting riots and civil unrest?  Maybe the U.S.
>  got the best of the bunch(i.e. intelligence, physical strength, etc.).  
>  So what more could this nation expect from an intelligent strong African race?
>  
>  Too black and too strong!!!

Huh?  Is this supposed to be a response to my obervation about Brazil?

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rank, Gender, and Homosexuality: Mombasa, (Wiener please read this)!
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:05:40 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)

In article <1992Dec16.210920.14669@panix.com>, mukasa@panix (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>This is the exact same reason I stopped debating with the lying afriphobic
>racist.

You've got a lot of mouth, but not much grip on reality, do you?

>You see his whole theory on AIDS starting in Africa breaks down if there
>are no African homosexuals, which you have proved beyond a reasonable
>doubt.

No it doesn't.  I never claimed that African homosexuals had anything
to do with the origin or spread of AIDS.

>        If there were no h.sex. in Africa the disease could have never
>spread to the west.

False.  One of the first cases was Dr Margrethe Resk, who contracted it
from handling blood while working in Zaire.

>		      The were no intravenous drug users at the time and so
>the only way it could have gone from a hetrosexual community (Africa) to a
>homosexual community (The US) is if there were h.sex. in Africa.

Nonsense.  Haitians or Cubans could have served as an intermediate.  The
former is most likely--there were 10s of thousands of them in Zaire at the
time.  I looked it up--they were there because the Belgians were unpopular,
and they were looking for Western educated people who spoke French without
having any trace of colonial mentality.  There most definitely are gays and
bis in Haiti and Cuba.

Moreover, Mr Mweene agreed with me--in the article you responded to--that
the Swahili tolerate a limited amount of homosexuality.  They were in the
right general place at the right general time, and the worst parts of the
epidemic in Africa are concentrated on their trade routes from Mombasa and
Dar es Salaam.  He's also agreed that there are homosexual prostitutes for
the tourists in Nairobi.

>								   Since
>this is not the case, he sarts using small pox, multiple needles in
>clinics, etc, of which he has no evidence.

There is tons of evidence regarding the smallpox eradication and multiply
used needles in clinics.

>					     Even if all his theories are
>true, it would never have spread beyond Africa and since it is in the West
>it obviously means it did not start in Africa.

This is utter gibberish.  Why wouldn't it have spread beyond Africa?  The
rest of the world didn't have black/white sex laws like South Africa.

>Bravo, Bravo Makala.
>You set him straight but don't worry he will continue to lie.

And you will continue to have zero comprehension of what I've written.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: Mweene Islands vs. Normal Islands
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:59:49 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <101478@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.125644.21359@lut.ac.uk>, M.Titahmboh@lut (Mana TitahMboh) writes:
>>Quit talking geography and say where these "social islands" are (or were)...

>The Lemba people in South Africa were isolated from others in the sense
>of no intermarriage until the past generation or two.  There are others,
>but none that I know without looking up the names.
>-- 
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)


wiener is a liar, racist and plagiarist.  He is a self proclaimed armchair
expert on Africa.  After admitting he has never even been to Africa let
alone does he speak an African language (or any language other than
English for that matter).  He does not even understand African culture or
customs (by his own admition).  Yet he now makes the above statement on
the marriage customs and procedures of the Lemba

Mana don't even bother dignifying his comment with a reply.

Kiggundu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: Rank, Gender, and Homosexuality: Mombasa, (Wiener please read this)!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:09:20 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <787@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>In article <102115@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>>
>>Remarkable achievement.  Paul Mweene posts a long article agreeing with
>>what I've been saying all along--and then concludes that when I say it,
>>it's ignorance and Afriphobia.
>>-- 
>>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

>How did I agree with you? This article tells you that a racial group with
>deformed cultural values apes Arab culture, are half Arab, fraternise with
>and consider themselves to be Arabs, practises h.sex.-unlike- Africans, and
>you say I agree with you. The article tells you that Africans don't practise
>h.sex., and since you have nothing by which to defend your ignorance, you 
>turn around and try to claim that you have supported me all along. 

>All the people who were reading on s.c.a last month know that my position
>has never changed. But in the face of facts, yours has changed, one more 
>time.

>makala


This is the exact same reason I stopped debating with the lying afriphobic
racist.
You see his whole theory on AIDS starting in Africa breaks down if there
are no African homosexuals, which you have proved beyond a reasonable
doubt.  If there were no h.sex. in Africa the disease could have never
spread to the west.  The were no intravenous drug users at the time and so
the only way it could have gone from a hetrosexual community (Africa) to a
homosexual community (The US) is if there were h.sex. in Africa.  Since
this is not the case, he sarts using small pox, multiple needles in
clinics, etc, of which he has no evidence.  Even if all his theories are
true, it would never have spread beyond Africa and since it is in the West
it obviously means it did not start in Africa.

Bravo, Bravo Makala.
You set him straight but don't worry he will continue to lie.

Kiggundu.

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