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From: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
Subject: disabling "read ahead cache" on Maxtor P0-12S
Reply-To: wollborn@tnt.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:34:33 GMT

Hello out there,

we got a little problem here with our Sparcstation IPX and the external
disk drive Maxtor P0-12S. Sometimes we get the message
 
	esp0: current command timed out for target 1 lun 0
	 sd1: scsi transport failed, reason reset, retrying command

Now I've heard that there might be a problem with the esp0-driver and the
'read-ahead-cache' from the Maxtor-drive. Sun says that the 'read-ahead-cache'
should be disabled. Does anybody know *how* to disable this function, if it is
there ?

Any help appreciated via email or repostig, thanks in advance, Michael


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Re: Online Disk Suite Address or Phone?
Keywords: Online 
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:14:11 GMT

eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson) writes:


>Does anyone out there have the Address or Phone number for the publishers
>of Online Disk Suite?  And is "Online" the name of the company or part of
>the product name?

>Please email, bandwidth, etc, etc, etc.

>Thanks in advance.

Thanks to everyone who responded, ODS is a Sun product, part number
ODS-1.0-4-4-21D for a desktop Sun and costs $800 on that platform
from SunExpress.

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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: 2400bps MNP5 Modem and Sparc2
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:28:29 GMT
Organization: cic

oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein) writes:

>I have a problem connecting a 2400bps modem with MNP5 to a 
>sparcstation 2. 

>I cannot find anything in the manuals about hardware flow control,
>if I use tip to dial out, I get the first chars ok, but when
>scrolling a 'ls -l' over 25 lines, the modem shows only garbage (this
>is independent from  MNP5). When calling the sparc, the problem is the
>same... 

You haven't mentioned the modem and the line speed on the other side
of the connection. Is it possible that *that* side needs hardware
flow control? It will if it has, say, a V.32 modem on a 9600 bps
line (or maybe even faster). Then the modem receives data at 9600 bps
but can only send it on 2400 bps. It has to flow-control it's
attached machine.

This is independent of the dial-in direction.

>Then I tried to etabish a uucp-connection between my SCO-site and the
>sparc. After login the chat-script works ok, but then uucico is
>started and the last thing that happens is a  "imsg>" message from the
>sparc-uucico.

I remember a long thread about SCO vs. Sun uucp some time ago.
Sorry, I did not follow it, not having an SCO machine.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: cce@dar.csiro.au (Elsum)
Subject: Re: Can't build kernel after upgrade to 4.1.3
Reply-To: cce@dar.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:50:53 GMT

In article 1986@attain.icd.teradyne.com, jxh@certes.icd.teradyne.com (Jim Hickstein) writes:
> I just upgraded my 4/670-140 to 4.1.3, from 4.1.1 (skipping 4.1.2), and
> everything went fairly smoothly, until I tried to rebuild my custom
> kernel.  When make tries to link vmunix, I get the following unresolved
> references:
> 
> loading vmunix
> ld: Undefined symbol
>    _maxasynchio_cached
>    _perproc_maxasynchio
> *** Error code 2
> 
> I'll call Sun on Monday, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this.  I
> removed the LWP and ASYNCHIO from my config file and rebuilt, but to no
> avail.  I did a "make clean; make" figuring that the 4.1.1 objects needed
> cleaning out, but it didn't make any difference.
> 
> Please reply by email and I will summarize.
> 
> -Running GENERIC until further notice,
> 
> -- 
> "Neither can His Mind be thought to be in Tune whose Words do Jarre;
>  Nor His Reason in Frame whose Sentence is Preposterous."
> Jim Hickstein, Teradyne Inc., San Jose CA, (408) 434-0822 FAX -0252
> jxh@icd.teradyne.com   ...!apple!attain!jxh


Following Sun's example of PICKLE as the custom kernel, I have found it necessary to add an extra step in configuring the kernel.
    cp GENERIC PICKLE      ### or your existing custom kernel ###
    rm -r ../PICKLE        ###  extra step necessary to overcome problem specified ###
    /etc/config PICKLE
    cd ../PICKLE
     and so on......

Clive Elsum  cce@dar.csiro.au

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: /dev/printer
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:09:25 GMT
Organization: cic

cgjks1@hpb.lut.ac.uk (James Soutter) writes:

>elias@mvax.uakom.cs wrote:
>: Hi !
>: 
>: My printer doesn't print, I have tested port, cable, printer with
>: other machine - all O.K. I have found there is no /dev/printer
>: file - maybe it's the problem. How can I create it ( it's
>: a socket file 0 length ) ?
>: 
>: Thanks,
>: 
>: Lubos.Elias@uakom.cs


>It depends on how the printer is connected to your machine.

>I just connected a printer to serial port A of a SPARCstation IPX.
>Serial port A corresponds to /dev/ttya and so I had to create
>/dev/lp using...

>	ln /dev/ttya /dev/lp

>/dev/lp is the default printer device, eg if another device
>is not specified in the printcap entry for the printer then /dev/lp
>will be used.  See the manual page of printcap(5) for more details.

>If you need to create /dev/printer then you can create it in a similar
>way.

Don't create /dev/printer! This is the name of Unix domain socket
the line printer daemon uses. If it is not there, lpd doesn't
start OK.

Here is the code in /etc/rc that starts it:

if [ -f /usr/lib/lpd ]; then
	rm -f /dev/printer /var/spool/lpd.lock
	/usr/lib/lpd;           echo -n ' printer'
fi

Try starting lpd manually.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.pyramid
From: monnie@mike.bigcat.bellcore.com (Nariman Shambayati)
Subject: setvbuf equivalent
Reply-To: monnie@bigcat.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore (Weird Ideas Factory)
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:44:31


Does anyone know the equivalent of setvbuf (SUN OS) c call in the
pyramid world?  I tried porting a code from sun to pyramid and when 
I compile it under ucb universe, it tells me setvbuf is undefined.
Please reply directly.  Thanks in advance.
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Data Entry on 95lx
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:07:28 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <Cohena-171192083549@l30346.mdc.com> Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen) writes:
>A shareware dB package customized for the 95LX was just published on
>Compuserves' user data library.  The package is "EFMS".
[...]
>There is also LXFile (also available through Compuserve) [...]

Would some kind soul please upload either or both of these to eddie.mit.edu?

While I'm here, where is the new 95buddy on eddie? The only one I can find is
the original.
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From: wse@helios.dfci.harvard.edu (William Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: PCMCIA cards for the HP 95
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:10:35
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.dfci.harvard.edu

Does anybody have any recommendations on which of the Ace, Sparcom, or
National Calculator cards that Educalc offers are best?  Should I
spring for the cheapest (Natl. Calculator)?  Please respnd by email,
and I will summarize.  Thanks very much. -- Bill Edwards
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: Which palmtop?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:37:15 GMT

Paul Taplin writes:
> I'm keen on getting myself a palmtop as an organiser 
> I'd really love to communicate... about the pros and cons...

Consider the Sharp Wizard 8000 series.  These are organizers
as opposed to PCs.  They have up to 256K of RAM, and can
accomodate plug-in cards for more RAM, or applications like
spreadsheets, BASIC programming, FAX modem, etc.  The link to
PCs or Macs with ease for backup and file sharing.  There are 
also many peripherals available, like tiny modems, litte
bitty printers, external power packs, cases, cables, etc.  I had
an HP95lx, and got rid of it to replace it with the Wizard; as
an organizer, I found the 95lx only so-so; the Wizard does
*lots* more organizer-type stuff, and does it a *lot* better.
As a PC, the 95lx is a disaster, imho.  As long as you stick to
programs created expressly for the 95lx, there is only
about a 15% chance of the machine locking up and crashing
the RAM-disk, but if you try virtually *any* program not
specific to the 95, the odds of a lockup/reboot go to well 
over 50% in my experience.  I found it very, very NON-robust.
If you need a portable PC, you need a better one than the 95, and
there are lots and lots of organizers out there that do that task
better, too.  Much of what I've just written is heresy on this
newsgroup, where lot and lots of folks use and like the 95.
These are just my humble opinions; your milage will
undoubtedly vary.

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: 20 meg cards
Date: 24 Nov 1992 04:19:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1es8hoINNneq@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman) writes:
>Does anybody have information on the 20 meg sundisk cards?

A few days ago I got the official information from SunDisk.  It's
pretty much the same as what I posted a couple weeks ago.  The brocure
I have pictures of both an AT&T/NCR laptop and an HP-95LX.  I do know
that there is HP support now, I don't know about other machines.
The cards appear to be Type II (5.5mm thick).

Model	Capacity	Price
SDPL5	1 MB		$199
SDPL5	2.5 MB		$399
SDPL5	5 MB		$599
SDPL5	10 MB		$999

[ask about the Special Tradeshow Discount, they told me
only attendees could could it though.  SunDisk does apparently
sell 20MB cards as well.]

optional compression software $40 additional charge

[this is apparently Stacker, which may or may not be specially
modified for the HP-95LX and/or these Flash EPROM cards.  The
software cannot be bought seperately]

[Here are some technical specifications I didn't have last time.]

PCMCIA-ATA
Enviromental Requirements
Vibration
	operating	15 g peak-to-peak max
	non-operating	15 g peak-to-peak max
Shock
	operating	1000 g max
	non-operating	1000 g max

Power Requirements
DC Input Voltage	5v +/- 10%
Max Current
	Sleep		<1 ma
	Reading		50 ma
	Writing		60 ma
	Erasing		60 ma

Performance & Specifications
Start-up Time
	Sleep to Write	<7 ms
	Sleep to Read	<4 ms

Data Transfer Rate
  To/From Memory	1.25 MBytes/s
  To/From Interface	3.0 MBytes/s
  Controller Overhead	< 3.0 ms

MTBF			200,000 hours
Preventive Maint	none
Data Reliability	<1 non-recoverable error in 10^13 bits read

SunDisk Corporation
3270 Jay Street
Santa Clara, CA 95054
800-688-7177
408-562-0500
408-980-8607 fax

I am only a possible customer of SunDisk.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: dale@ldgo.columbia.edu (dale)
Subject: Re: HP95 scientific calculator
Summary: I'd settle for MathCad
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:20:59 GMT

In response to the query about what the net would like to see in a 
calculator for the HP-95:

	I'd settle for MathCad (even the older DOS version.)

I know about Derive, but I'd rather scale for speed and display by using 
the same application on various platforms: palmtop -> laptop -> Workstation.

Just (wishful) thinking out loud,
-Dale

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: stringha@mail.boi.hp.com (Gary Stringham)
Subject: Re: xcalc in slide rule mode
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:39:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NPR / Boise, Idaho

>Slide rule mode, for people who have habits that die hard :-).  Note,
>an old version of the X Window System xcalc did in fact have an analog
>mode that popped up a slide rule, pretty accurate too I hear.

Cool!  How do you invoke it?  There is no mention of it in the man page
but the string, "Slide Rule", does exist in the executable.

Gary "Slide rule on windows; old technology meets new." Stringham
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: More thought on Wizard vs. HP95lx
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:43:02 GMT

Someone posted about using a palmtop like the HP95lx as
"an organizer and note taker", and I replied suggesting 
the Sharp Wizard as an alternative.  In that reply, I forgot
to mention that the 8000 series Wizard has a quite complete
"Memo" function; a small text editor that allows you to create
any number of documents, each filed under its own filename;
you are limited only by the storage available.  The editor even
feature word wrap.  The Sharp has a 40 col display
as does the HP95lx, but the Sharp's keyboard is nearly 50%
bigger, allowing something much more closely approaching
touch typing than does the tiny keyboard on the HP95lx.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com (John Diamant)
Subject: Re: HP 95LX
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:34:01 GMT

Mark E. Johnson (mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com) wrote:
: 
: > You could probably use any software you want that supports either
: > kermit or xmodem protocols as both are built into the 95.
: 
: I hope so. On the other hand, I got some email from Steve Thomas ...
: 
: "Also, although I've had no problems using Kermit (other than the speed),
: most commercial pc comm programs will not work with the 95 due to a bug in
: its serial port logic."
: 
: Can someone verify/expound on this?

I believe both pieces of information above are correct.  They are not
contradictory for the following reason.  There is a perfectly functional
version of kermit and xmodem built into the 95 ROM, so there is no need
to use other versions on the 95.  What you use on the other end will not
be affected by the 95 bug.  Also, I believe people have succesfully used
versions of kermit that were downloaded to the 95 (I don't because I don't
want to waste the RAM on functionality that's already available in the ROM).
If you need to use some protocol other that xmodem, kermit, the filer
protocol, or the Connectivity pack DOS Connect protocol, then you may have
problems unless the software was tested on a 95 and possibly modified to
work around the bug.


John Diamant
Software Engineering Systems Division
Hewlett Packard Co.		ARPA Internet: diamant@fc.sde.hp.com
Fort Collins, CO		UUCP:  {hpfcla,hplabs}!hpfclp!diamant

This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for informational
purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: atekant@wimsey.bc.ca (Argun Tekant)
Subject: Buying a HP95LX...(?)
Organization: BC News and Mail
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:18:28 GMT

After holding out a year or so, I finally give in and decide to buy myself
a hp95. But I have a couple questions for anyone that care to answer.

I hear rumors of a new model that is about to come out anytime now. Does 
anybody know when/what/how much? Stupid question, of course somebody does
(with all the hp people lurking around), but can anybody tell me anything
about it?

I will be driving from Canada to SF this xmas, does anybody know of a 
particularly good deal anywhere in WA, OR or CA? Another stupid question
(because I already know the answer): can I get a deal if I go to hp at
corvallis (factory outlet or something)?

If I find a good deal on an older model, can the rom be upgraded and how
much it will cost me?

I would appreciate any answers on these, especially if anyone has any leaks
about the new hp95.

Happy palmtopping,
Argun Tekant.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: cedler@boi.hp.com (Chris Edler)
Subject: QA-Palm
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:47:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I'm getting a demo of QA-Palm, the database development application for the
95LX.  Anybody use it out there?  What do you think?  Would it be better
to develop something on Dbase on a PC and then compile it?

Thanks,
Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: Bug in BUDDY v2.3?
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:25:01 GMT

jeff@vme.heurikon.com (Jeff Mattox) writes:

:)I'm not sure exactly what you find wrong.  95BUDDY keys off of
:)the "*.TXT" string and, when it see that while in the file open menu, it
:)changes to the default dir that you've specified in your BCF.  You can fool
:)95BUDDY by typing "**.TXT" on line 2 of the file open menu
:)and you will stay in DAT.  Does that help?

That's not really it.  I can understand keying off the "*.TXT" part of
it.  I type MEMO-MEMO and it comes up with:

File to open:
C:\MEMOS\*.TXT

Since that is what I specified in my BCF file.  If I select "..\" it
will traverse up to the root directory and show:

File to open:
C:\*.TXT

and list out the various subdirectories.  I can select any of my other
directories and view their contents of TXT files (which include C:\APPT,
C:\PHONE, C:\GAMES, C:\UTIL, etc), however I cannot seem to go into
C:\_DAT.  It sends be back to C:\MEMOS.  I wanted to go to C:\_DAT.

Is that a bug?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: reddyvin@engin.umich.edu (Vinay Reddy)
Subject: HP Demo ROM Card
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:55:07 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Three weeks ago (I don't have the original article available) an article
mentioned the HP-95LX ROM Demo card, containing the 95 demo program along
with useful extra files (like CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT), and available
from EduCALC.  I ordered the card last week, and received a letter today
from EduCALC saying the card was no longer available.  Does anyone know
if there is another source for the card?

Vinay N. Reddy                  Vinay.Reddy.MD@um.cc.umich.edu
                                reddyvin@engin.umich.edu
From: gcs@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg C. Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: More thought on Wizard vs. HP95lx
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:43:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi) writes:

> It should be noted that I don't know much about the Wizard
> 8000 and Psion.  Can someone tell me if they can run DOS
> programs or have add-in capability?

the Wizard does not run DOS programs.  I'm pretty certain the 
Psion doesn't either.  I will post a correction if I discover 
otherwise.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:3726 comp.sys.pen:714
From: cmac@cup.portal.com (Chris R MacAskill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Newton, EO, etc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:35:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1eetroINNlqv@uwm.edu>

It also might be that Newton is looking more and more vaporous right now.

cmac@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jeremy@fsg.com (Jeremy C.M. Sevareid)
Subject: Psion Series 3 Battery Question
Summary: Warnings of low main battery but System menu test says it's ok. Why?
Keywords: Psion Series 3 Battery Question
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:31:58 GMT


My new Psion Series 3 (V. 180F/ENG) occassionally flashes
a warning message.  It says that the main battery is low.

But, when I check the batteries with the System Info menu
item Batteries, it says that the main battery is good.
What's going on here?

Thanks.

-Jeremy

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From: hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: HP 95LX
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:42:18 GMT

mjohnson@force.decnet.lockheed.com (Mark E. Johnson) writes:

>I can ftp just fine, but I think eddie must be down or something. It hasn't
>responded over two days of trying to connect. Is there an alternate source?

Yes, hpcsos.col.hp.com /mirrors/hp95lx. BTW, eddie is not down, probably some
gateway isn't very cooperative to your machine.
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