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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Glanville/Falcons image ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:45:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.144523.25847
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Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug26.133016.3189@brtph560.bnr.ca>, cboeker@batph78.bnr.ca (Craig Boeker) writes:
|> Here's a question for all of you outside of the Atlanta media region:
|> 
|> What is the general view of Glanville and the Falcons?  I know before I
|> moved to Atlanta (coincidentally the same year Glanville took over here)
|> I thought of the Falcons as your basic journeyman fodder for the rest of
|> the NFL.  In other words, somebody has to be in the bottom quartile.
|> 
|> My favorite teams before I moved here were Detroit and the Steelers and
|> I really disliked Glanville and his Houston teams.  It seemed that most
|> of the other teams/fans/coaches in the AFC central felt the same way.  He
|> seemed to advocate borderline dirty play and the Oilers seemed to be out
|> to injure players on other teams.
|> 
|> Now, being inside the Atlanta media zone where Glanville has helped bring
|> respectability back to Falcons football, he gets only good press.  Is the
|> same true outside Atlanta, or is he still considered an advocate of dirty
|> play.  Also, do the Falcons have the same kind of image as the Glanville
|> era Oilers?
|> -- 
|> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|> | Craig Boeker                                                              |
|> | cboeker@bnr.ca        Anyone want to buy two tickets to the Sept. 6       |
|> | BNR Atlanta           Georgia Dome regular season opener vs. the Jets?    |
|> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+


Being a Falcon fan myself, I look for anything I can find about them ever since
I came to Massachusetts last year. And I have found this: Glanville hasn't
completely shaken his bad reputation, but he DOES have more good press than bad.
He is given the image of a "mystery man in black", changing the Falcons uniforms
and dressing in that Sherlock Holmes villain-black outfit. But, he is known
from what I can gather as the reviver of one of the most ailing teams in football,
and they give him a lot of credit for that, as well as for his ability to command
respect from his team.

-- Venk --

PS: Perhaps YOU can tell me... what happened to Bartkowski? Where is he now?
DO they ever mention his name down there? Thanks...
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: steelers punter
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.113351.9084@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <Btpo8n.AIs@andy.bgsu.edu>, dlingle@andy.bgsu.edu (don lingle) writes:
>> Keywords: 
>> 
>> What do you all think of the new Steelers punter?
>> He put on quite a show the other night.
>> 
>> Unfortunately having your punter as player of the game
>> is not the best statistic although I for one hope
>> that he continues this kind of punting through the
>> regular season.
>
>I HAVE SEEN MANY REPORTS SAYING THAT THE NEW STEELERS PUNTER ISN'T NEARLY AS
>GOOD AS STRYZINSKI WAS. I BELIEVE THE PUNTER IS FROM TAMPA BAY AND WAS NEARLY
>RAN OUT OF TOWN. THE BUCS WERE THE TEAM PICKING UP STRYZINSKI SO IT SOUNDS LIKE
>PITTSBURGH GOT RIPPED, ALTHOUGH I DID NOT SEE THE GAME THE OTHER NIGHT.

Our punter last season was current Steeler punter Mark Royals.  Mark is
quite capable of making the spectacular punt.   Moreso than Stryzinski,
our current punter and the ex-Steeler punter.  However, what Mark gives
you with "spectacular" he can take away with "inconsistent." Stryzinski
seems to be the more consistent of the two. It depends on what you want
from that position.  I think both teams may have won on this deal.  Dan
has been flawless for Tampa so far, rarely spectacular, but dependable.
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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Anyone with Raiders news?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:54:37 GMT

danw@ee.su.oz.au (Dan Wuescher) writes:

>Lots of bandwidth these days on Dallas, San Fran, and Washington.
>Anyone have any info on the Raiders?  Who is slated to start
>at QB? Has Dickerson made any kind of postive impact?  Who
>will start in the backfield?


Raider news is down to a trickle even here in So Cal... 

Hot items: 

Scott Davis and Townsend are still in a contract dispute (even though
they have a damn contract!)... My guess is theyre both tired of getting
paid way less then the celebrated Howie Long while both outplaying him...

Rumor has it that Townsend may be traded to Houston for Sean Jones.
It would be nice to get Sean back but I still think Townsend is better.

Art Shell has empatically said Jay is the starting QB but put a
4 week caveat on it. Look for Todd to get the nod to start against
the Giants in Oct after KC intercepts Jay 5 times the week before.
Jay ALWAYS sucks vs KC.

The Dickerson front has been quiet. Hes gotten reasonable time and numbers
in preseason. Looks like he'll do OK. As good as Craig did. I'll bet he gets
the starting nod. The relationship with Marcus at Raider central is way 
strained.

Sorry not much news but always plenty of opinion!

Plata y Negro
*************

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From: calizan@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (PAUL LIZANICH)
Subject: Re-alignment of the NFL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 27 Aug 1992 09:51 EST  


As we can see in baseball, there are lots of problems with re-alignment.  
Chicago's WGN does not want all of its games to start at 9:35 central time, 
though Ted Turner would be happy with additional 7:35 starts I am sure...

Football doesn;t have that kindof problem... yet...

As far as re-alignemnt, I have heard several plans.  Some of which are 
TOTAL alignment/regionalization; without reguard to present divisions...

A plan like this would create:
Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, LA Raiders, San Diego.
Denver, Phoenix, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston.
Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis.
Cincinnatti, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, (Tennessee).
New England, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Washington.
New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Miami, (N Carolina).

(This was when Tenn and NC were the expanding cities.  I have seen interest 
for an NFL team in places like Baltimore, Florida, or even in the plains.)

Of course the teams would all sue the league...  The NY/LA teams 
effectively lose "home games" due to them being in the same division.  The 
thing it does create is important regional/division games every week.  
Better for TV ratings...  

As a Clevelander, when the Browns aren't on TV; I would be guaranteed to 
see a game involving Cin, Pitt, Buff, Tenn on Sunday.  In addition, 
With all the teams so close together, it would be better (for the owners) 
to have this geographic alignment.  How many Oiler fans travel from Texas 
to see thier Blue Boys in Cleveland Stadium?  I can tell you the Ohio/PA 
Turnpike is LOADED with busloads of Steeler fans when the Rusty Boy's come 
to town; or that I-71 is similarly loaded with Bengal fans crossing Ohio to 
see their team live.  The Cavernous Cleveland Stadium may be the only chance 
a Pittsburgh fan has to see the Steelers in person; since 3-Rivers is so 
small/sold out for the next X years.  It would add to the number of 
sellouts, and add local games to TV, more money...  

Don't you NFC Central fans feel it is STUPID to have Tampa Bay in a 
division with northen cities?  Do Atlantian's THINK they are in the 
Pacific Time Zone?  Or is it just their baseball and football fans.  

Of course people will be crying "no more Cowboy/Redskin games twice a 
year?"  "This is unfair, we are losing a pushover team like XXX and 
gaining a powerful team like YYY..."  

I just hope the NFL does this without court injunctions/lawsuits.
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From: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Subject: Lion backup RB's???
Reply-To: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Organization: "Bell Northern Research - Richardson Texas"
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 14:53:32 GMT


Hey Ron, (or anyone else who knows)

Who are the Lions going to use at running back besides Barry? With Dozier
playing baseball I see that they cut their 11th round pick Tillison. He was
the last guy I had heard of on the roster. Are they planning on picking 
someone else up or or they set with what they have? (And who do they have?)

Also, have they said who was going to start on the OL or do they plan on 
picking someone else up there too?

Just wondering ...

-chip
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/1/92
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center


 >>The Redskins were prepared to lose punter Kelly Goodburn, quarterback Jeff
 >>Rutledge, cornerback Johnny Thomas and tight end James Jenkins, but they
 >>weren't prepared to lose running back Robert Green, receiver Stephen Hobbs,
 >>center Matt Elliott or offensive tackle Mo Elewonibi.
 >
 >Why was Johnny Thomas cut instead of Alvoid "Toast" Mays?  Thomas
 >looked quite good in preseason, while Mays was consistently beaten.
 >Besides, Thomas has even looked good on special teams.  All of the
 >other cuts seemed like good ideas -- I knew Walton wasn't going to
 >make the team when he blew large numbers of tackles in preseason.

I don't know the answer to your question, and perhaps only the Redskins
coaches know the answer.

The Redskins coaches waived Thomas, gambling that no one would take 
him.  The gamble did pay off, and the Redskins have re-signed Thomas 
along with punter Kelly Goodburn, tight end James Jenkins, and
quarterback Jeff Rutledge.

We only see the games that the players perform in, as compared to the
practices AND games that the coaches see and evaluate the players. So, 
the coaches should know what they are doing.

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From: compwhiz@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert F Henry)
Subject: Re: Tight Ends
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.235329.16308@ntmtv> bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley) writes:
>From article <1992Aug31.165756.1326@pdn.paradyne.com>, by lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James):
>> In article <1992Aug29.174356.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:
>>>Could someone be kind enough to list every tight end currently playing
>>>in the NFL? If not, could you guys just post up on a few tight ends
>>>which are your favorites and why?
>>>
>>>I'm currently looking for a decent tight-end in my league and aint
>>>sure how to get up on them.
>>>
>>>Concrete Shoes,Cyanide,TNT,Done Dirt Cheap,Neckties,Contracts,HIGH Voltage
>> 
>> I don't know what the last line of your .sig is about, but trying to name
>> all of the tight ends could be interesting.  Here's a template we can all
>> fill in (and correct).  Here goes nothing...
>> 
>
>        NFC East                                AFC East 
>Washington      Orr                     New York          Mitchell
>Philadelphia    Keith Jackson           Miami             Ferrel Edmunds
>Dallas          Jay Novecek             Buffalo           Pete Metzlars
>New York        Brown/Cross             New England       Marv Cook
>Phoenix         Rolle                   Indianapolis      ?
> 
>        NFC Central                             AFC Central
>Chicago         Thornton                Pittsburgn        Eric Green
>Detroit         none *                  Cleveland         Holohan/Galbraith
>Minnesota       Steve Jordan            Houston           none *
>Tampa Bay       Ron Hall                Cincinnati        Rodney Holman
>Green Bay       Ed West
> 
>        NFC West                                AFC West
>San Francisco   Brent Jones             Los Angeles       Ethan Hortan
>New Orleans     Hobie Brenner           Kansas City       John Hayes 
>Atlanta         none *                  Denver            Clarence Kay
>Los Angeles     Damone Johnson,         Seattle           Travis McNeal
>                Jim Price,              San Diego         McEwen ???
>                Pat Carter 
>* Run-n-Shoot.
>
>There's what I can add off the top of my head...
>
>						Tim
> 
>
	This is all that I can add to the list.  My apologies for
any screwups in this posting.  (It's my first stab at it.)

Bob


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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:13:34 GMT

>
>Alas, 'nuff said... :(
>

Gee, what an illuminating post.

Anyway, if not for last season, I'd be worried about
the Redskins today.  Last season they had a poor preseason then went
on to total domination.  Perhaps the same scenario is being followed
this year. (Hope, hope, hope.)  Or perhaps we're doing what we did after 
winning the previous Super Bowl...falling flat on our faces.  

I don't know what to make of those Viking marauders who pillaged Washington
Saturday night.  True, they were using mid-season game plans against a
vanilla Washington scheme, but still they looked like a team with
a purpose.  There have been other teams with perfect preseason 
records (Phoenix?) who fell apart in regular season, but the Vikings 
looked *real* to me.  We'll see in October.

Supposedly the Vikings will suffer later for showing their offensive schemes 
now, but I find this hard to believe.  The Redskins didn't show any of the
offense they'll use against Dallas, but so what?  Everyone knows their scheme
by now.  There may be a few new wrinkles (like a four receiver set), but
most of it will be quite familiar.

						me
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Red&Gold
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:10:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep3.221034.24467
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In response to "Red& Gold", correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

> Why would Al want some old washed up QB,(he already has Jay)when he 
> has a second year QB who at this point is better than Montana.  Any Raider
> fan who would rejoice about having ol' Joe at the Helm is not a real Raider
> Fan. If there are any out there please step forward.

After hearing from you (on several occasions), I am embarrassed for all
Raider fans.  I actually like the Raiders...after all, their roster is
largely ex-49ers.  I'd say Al has been pretty astute to pick those players
up.  Lucky for him that Niner "management" let them go.  Al has given you
wannabe's a chance to dream...

As for your statements about QBs, you've got a h*ll of a football mind. 
Please continue this thread on the net, so that the world can be enlightened.

> Get your colors straight

Niner fans don't pay too much attention to colors...just wins, baby.

> Silver&Black
> "Jealous,in awe.

I didn't expect you to admit it.  Have a nice day.
-- 
Peter Greco <greco@lclark.edu> | 
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Physical Graffiti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BEARS CUTS.....
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:34:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Sep1.173426.9548
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Aug31.183256.26835@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
> 
> >The Bears have cut the following players to get to the 47 man
> >roster limit:
> 
> >DE Eric Kumerow,
> >DB Maurice Douglas
> >WR Glenn Kozlowski
> >RB James Rouse
> >QB Paul Justin
> >TE Todd Harrison
> >WR Eric Wright
> >LB Mike Stonebreaker
> >(another FA LB)
> 
> Any word on whether the Bears will try to resign any of these players
> after putting someone on the injured reserve?  
> 
> I hate to see Kozlowski go.  He is really a great special teams player.

I think that Paul Justin still qualifies for the 5 man practice squad
and that they might try to put Eric Wright on that squad too.  However,
they will have to clear waivers first, and Wright might be picked up
by somebody.


-- 
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Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject: USA TODAY,Predictions.Vikes last  NOT 
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:45:32 GMT


USA Today in their special Football issue, predict MN to finish
last in the preseason.......

I hope they eat their words....


dave
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who is the Oiler kicker?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:20:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep1.134804.26687@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> etryon@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Earl Tryon ) writes:
>Who will be the kicker for Houston Oilers?

Al Del Greco
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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The beginning of the end of the 49ers
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:56:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

First it was putting Ronnie Lott on Plan B to make a place for Bubba
Paris. Now its the Charles Haley trade. If ESPN is right, all they
are getting for Haley is a _swap_ of no. 1 picks, a 2nd round pick
and a 3rd round pick. And I believe these are _conditonal_ picks
based on how much playing time Haley gets.  This is ridiculous. Haley 
is no Pat Swilling or Derrick Thomas, but he is definitely worth more 
than this. Do all the team presidents and coaches stick their brains
up their asses when it comes to dealing with the Cowboys ?

With Haley gone, the Niners will have to hope that Tim Harris is
going to step up and get the job done. What is even more bizarre about 
this trade is that it comes at a time when the Niners are hurting
at the linebacker spot. Keith DeLong is still holding out and 
Mike Walter is showing his age. They're going to move Romanowski
to the inside which leaves ? at the other outside spot. 
And they've picked up some shmoe as a free agent waiving Leroy Smith
who looked good in preseason. 

It has always struck me as strange that the Niners are willing to
trade away more vocal members like McKyer and Haley rather than
live with them. As in the case of McKyer, they're getting less
than Haley is worth. I think its clear that Eddie DeBartolo and
Carmen Policy are scaling back the organization considerably, even perhaps 
in an attempt to sell it. Seifert, it seems, is just a puppet
in these dealings. 

Ashu Rege
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Physical Graffiti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TEST!!
Summary: test
Keywords: screwed up NFC teams
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:53:54 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy



whassup?
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From: apo@owlnet.rice.edu (Apolak Borthakur)
Subject: Re: Houston Oilers
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:37:04 GMT

In article <23AUG199209443359@rosie.uh.edu>, libr@rosie.uh.edu (Harvey Brauner) writes:
|> In article <JEFF.92Aug23015320@neuron.cs.tamu.edu>, Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes...
|> >Any Oiler fans left out there?  Getting kind of quiet, I expected to see
|> >some discussion about my favorite pro team in here.
|> 
|> You called :)  
|> 
|> >If Sean Jones, Fuller, and Dishman return the defense looks like it
|> >*could* be outstanding.  Offensively, with the return of Munchak and
|> >Duncan, I can't think of any weaknesses, except maybe for the dropoff
|> >from the first to second quarterback.  What would happen to this team if
|> >Moon gets hurt or finally goes on strike due to contract frustrations?
|> 
|> I expect to see Fuller, Dish, Duncan, and Munchak in camp probably before the
|> first game.  Who knows with Jones. There has been no press about Munchak's
|> contract though. I suspect that the team wants him to save his knees.
|> As for the dropoff from first to second quarterback; Cody Carlson is no Warren
|> Moon, but he is good enough to be a starter on a few teams.  Warren said that
|> he will not sit out the season if his bonus clause is not settled.  I think
|> it will be a done deal by the first game.


I'm not too sure about Dishman and Fuller...I read in yesterday's paper
that Dishman considered the Oilers' offer of an 18% raise an `insult', and
said that he wouldn't hesitate to hold out. Same with Fuller, apparently..


|> 
|> >And, how about Bucky Richardson.  Will he become the number 3
|> >quarterback?  I missed the drive he lead towards the end of the game.
|> >Did he look as impressive as in the previous games?
|> 
|> Bucky continues to impress :) He had an apparent TD pass but the ref called the
|> receiver out of the end zone. He'll make the team and might be the #3 man since
|> Reggie Slack is still injured.


Reggie Slack hed better recover fast- he's in danger of losing his
spot to Bucky, who's been real impressive in each game.


Well, the preseason doesnt mean much, so the 4-0 record shouldnt be
taken too enthusiastically...however, it is heartening to see the
Oilers perform well in several areas. Warren Moon has been real 
sharp in each game, and the backups seem to be doing a good job too..
Steve Jackson has impressed, and so also have several others.
So the Oilers at least have a good set of 2nd-3rd string players.
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: trade rumors
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

It has been reported that the Falcons offered Andre Rison to the
Chargers for Junior Seau. Bobby Beathard(the San Diego GM) just laughed.

Dominating linebackers are hard to come by, and Bobby Beathard is no
idiot, or he would not have had the success he did at Washington.

Let's please not have anymore ridiculous trades suggested here like
Noonan(a history of injuries) + Casillas(not much of a pass rush) for
Seau.

                                         Al  
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