HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Author of "mp" MPEG player on amiga.physik?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:05:12 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Organization: Commodore Germany

barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	Someone uploaded an MPEG player called "mp" to the ftp archives
>on amiga.physik.unizh.ch.  
>
>	I am also the author of an Amiga freeware program called "mp"
>(Fish Disk 478, short for "MIDI Playground"). 

To avoid such name collisions: In the first case, the program is probably
just an Amiga port of some more general program. Why not follow the
tradition and precede the Amiga version of such a program with an A in
its name (like in ARexx, or alink,...)? Thus leaving "pure" names to
original Amiga programs.

I know this would also not always help, but perhaps this is a proposition.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us (Bowie Poag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: HAM8
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:55:27 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network

In article <john.03c5@heights.demon.co.uk>, john@heights.demon.co.uk (John
Shiali) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.215718.1522@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Ross.Knepper@launchpad.unc.e
>du (Ross Knepper) writes:
>
>> I recently bought an Amiga 4000, but have seen very few HAM8 pictures on
>> it.  Could somebody recommend an ftp for some?  Also, I am interested in a
>> program (preferably PD) that would change the 24-bit files I have into
>> HAM8.  Thank you.
>
>Apart from Art Dept Pro, if you can wait the next upgrade to the
>excellent HamLab Plus will support AGA.
>
>-- 
>
>  John ..   InterNet  - john@heights.demon.co.uk
>            FidoNet   - 2:253/500.9
>


As of September 17th, I began releasing my public-issued 3d artwork in HAM8
format (Rendered in 24-bit with Imagine, converted down with ADPro) .. If youde
like a couple id be more than happy to uuencode them and throw em to yah.



        +-----------------------------------------------------------+
        |o|              I think, therefore I Amiga.              |=|
        +-----------------------------------------------------------+
        | Douglas Michael Kasten (DMK) | Amiga 2000HD/5 with a tiny |
        |  dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us   | little 21" Toshiba monitor.|
        +------------------------------+----------------------------+
From: ma90gjp@cen.ex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: gif converter
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Exeter, UK.

Does anybody know of a GIF converter (to IFF) that can handle large size 
pictures approx 900x900x4
The one I have can only handle picture sizes upto 512 square so I loose 
some of the pictures.
I use a A500 with 3 meg and 52 meg hardrive.
Failing that a GIF viewer that can output to Printer, but I suspect that
that will not exist.

Thanks in advance


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graham Pursey  contact at ma90gjp@cen.ex.ac.uk
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Distribution: world
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:39:16 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <Bzr29w.8Kt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   This kind of lack of vision by Amiga users is why I say that the Amiga is
>no longer "the computer for the creative mind."  I can think of a lot of
>applications that could be ported to the Amiga or made uniquely on the Amiga
>if the Amiga has a large base of users with AGA Amigas and CD-ROM drives.
>A port of the CD-ROM version of the "Star Trek 20th Anniversary Game" would be
>nice.  A port of DataMax's CD-ROM tax preparation software would also be nice.

If DataMax requires a CD-ROM for their tax preparation software, they're doing
something wrong.  I used to work for a company that got bought out by Chipsoft,
and I'm fairly familiar with their TurboTax for Windows and TurboTax for the
Macintosh (formerly Taxview), and they only needed three disks to do a very
good representation of the IRS forms as they appear in paper form.  If DataMax
is telling you that they won't port until they get CDROM for the Amiga, and
then only if the Amiga supports certain very high resolution non-interlace
displays, they're just blowing smoke. They're probably aren't doing it
because their losing money on the Amiga version or their Amiga programmer's
left them.

When Softview (also bought out by Chipsoft) developed Taxview for the Mac and 
Windows, they had the same base tax software, and developed interfaces for the
Mac and Windows GUI.  I never saw DataMax's Amiga software, but if it was a
port of the DOS software, and didn't use an internal tax engine that was
platform independent, it's not surprising they dropped it if they have to report
the entire thing year after year.

--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: "peter bowmar" <peter.bowmar@canrem.com>
Subject: editmaster
Reply-To: "peter bowmar" <peter.bowmar@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:13:43 EST

Well, I've called DMI a bunch of times to talk to them about the
Editmaster, since it seems like a godsend for us animators. The guy I
talked to assured me it would work at 30fps from a standard SCSI drive,
but the slower the drive, the more lossy compression you have to use
(makes sense). So, if you want 'lossless' you need SCSI II controllers
and drives. I've seen SCSI II drives in Avid for under $2000 US (for
around 800megs) but the problem is the SCSI II controller. Prog Perifs
makes (I think) the Zeus 040 accelerator, which has a SCSI II build in
and so does CSA on their 040 board. But, you're thinking, what if (like
me) you already have an 040 board etc. Well, ICD apparently have a SCSI
II board standalone for the 2000 and maybe the 3000 (not sure about
this) for around $200 US. Haven't seen it yet, and I talked to them 3
months ago. Vapourware? Anyways, I think this board will completely
revolutionize animation, and bring it affordably to almost everyone. If
you can afford a Toaster, you can afford an Editmaster.

peter bowmar
Toronto, Ont
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: lgibb@burner.com (Lance Gibb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: What is GIF?!!??
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:16:55 MST
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

JB> Quoted from <s1070422.726250096@giaeb> by s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
JB> (Damien Binding):
JB> > What is a GIF format. Is it just for PC or what. I have GIF viewer
JB> programs on
JB> > Amiga but have never come across any other picture format but iff.

GIF - pronounced 'JIF' - is a picture format created by compuserve that was designed as a multi platform picture format that could be used by various PC users (whether your using a mac/clone/amiga/etc...).  GIF is a compressed format so as to make the pictures as small as possible, and there are GIF
viewers for all sorts of machines (including the amiga).  
 
It is most popular in the PC world, but was originally created as a way to transfer image data between various platforms quickly and simply.
GIF is limited to 256 colors, but I do not know of any resolution restrictions.

--- Via UCI v1.21 (C-Net Amiga)
From: dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us (Bowie Poag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Visionaire
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:06:31 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network


Glad to see Impulse actually conforming to AmigaDos 2.0 specs when designing
their user interface on this product.. I can only hope they do the same to
Imagine 3.0...I was VERY much diasspointed after realizing that Imagine 2.0 was
little more than a hackjob of a face-lift for the original 1.3..And even still,
it was just that--cosmetic.. Still no standardized requestor (ASL/REQ/MFR
requestors) ... The buttons arent standard gadtools, and not to mention rather
punchy and slow..



        +-----------------------------------------------------------+
        |o|              I think, therefore I Amiga.              |=|
        +-----------------------------------------------------------+
        | Douglas Michael Kasten (DMK) | Amiga 2000HD/5 with a tiny |
        |  dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us   | little 21" Toshiba monitor.|
        +------------------------------+----------------------------+
From: bstevens@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Stevens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Visionaire, new morphing prog
Keywords: Visionaire, morph
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:23:27 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Visionaire looks like a really nice morphing program, but it looks like a
clone of Cine-morph and it's slower as well.  It does have AREXX though and
thats really cool.

Bummer is that Impulse says Visionaire isn't going to be shipping for awhile
still...I think they said a month or more still.

Bob
From: turtaut@platon.greco-prog.fr (Geoffroy TURTAUT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: test
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:05:17 GMT
Organization: Universite de BORDEAUX 1 (Maitrise d'informatique),Talence (FRANCE)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

test test
            =========.===================================[geof]===
           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Need a PIC/PICT/DL viewer/converter
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:47:19 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1993Jan5.084644.7313@en.ecn.purdue.edu> by wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner):
> Please email me if you know of a PIC, PICT, or DL viewer/converter.

    Could people who know of either a DL program or the DL format
    specs please post the information?

> William "Art" Warner (317-497-1946)      //\
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
From: balzer@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Balzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: mpeg_play
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:48:49 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de

In article <charro.726269199@ee.ualberta.ca>, charro@ee.ualberta.ca (Dan
Charrois) writes:
|> I've recently downloaded version 1.2 of mpeg_play to try and view
|> It seems to work just great except that it doesn't
|> seem to want to set the colors in the palette.  From the animations

I know. My color allocation scheme for 2.x systems is not what you'd
call perfect, but I'm working on it.

The problem is, the original code just requires 128 free colors, and
requests them one by one, so I don't have a chance to select some of
them.

Even with 3.0 you get poor results if you have only 32 colors or so.
But I have some ideas to solve this problem, just be patient.

|> Dan Charrois - University of Alberta, Electrical Engineering

Michael
--
Michael Balzer, Wildermuthstrasse 18, W-5828 Ennepetal 14, Germany    //
At work: balzer@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de  +49 231 755-2116  \X/
At home: bilbo@bagsend.aworld.de                  +49 2333 80908
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: 30 fps: Yeay or nay?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:43:20 GMT

In <10388@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>Sorry, don't know about this AAP_AAC or ANIM-7 format, but generally:
>Do you really think it would be a good move from 1 byte to longwords?
>See, you want to compress your data. Thus your goal is to find as many
>identical data as possible and store these only one time plus a count
>how many times you have to replicate them in the final picture.

No, at some point your goal is to utilitize the bandwidth to chip memory
has much as possible. With 32bit wide data paths a byte oriented compression
scheme is limited to 1/4th of the bandwidth (of course, the program
overhead reduces that ratio a bit).

>But if this particular format is much smarter, then please forget my
>uttering and perhaps explain the trick used there.

No, it isn't smarter. It usually wastes lots of bits when just a single
byte did change, but it does this with no performance penalty if your
data source (memory buffer or HD) can deliver the data rate.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: Jeff_Holinski@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeff Holinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Babylon 5
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:43:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


I can understand why Newtek would be watching but what's the connetion to
DCTV?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Will DigiView work on A600?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 11:14:19 GMT

Will DigiView 4.0 work ok on an Amiga 600? (Also has anyone tried
it on an A1200?)
Thanks

--
  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
 / /_  __/\       Computer Vision Group      /\ \__  _\
/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/
From: Kermit@cup.portal.com (Kermit Royce Woodall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: gif converter
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:47:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Does anybody know of a GIF converter (to IFF) that can handle
>large size  pictures approx 900x900x4
>The one I have can only handle picture sizes upto 512 square so
>I loose  some of the pictures.
>I use a A500 with 3 meg and 52 meg hardrive.

ImageFX from GVP loads and saves GIF formats, amongst about two dozen others,
and can convert your GIFs into IFFs.  It comes with built-in virtual memory
that works on a stock Amiga 500 and can use your harddrive in place of RAM
for converting that GIF in full color.

Kermit Woodall
Nova Design, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: rromano@ccad.uiowa.edu (Richard A Romano)
Subject: PD Genlock
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:26:46 GMT

Are there any schematics out there for a public domain genlock for an A3000?
If not are there any schematics or publications about making genlocks in
principle.

Thanks,

Rich

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Romano				SPACE FOR RENT
Iowa Driving Simulator			Call 555-5555.
University of Iowa			Thousands of people will see your ad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: ViewTek 1.03 bugs
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:29:33 GMT


ViewTek can't seem to handle much.  Like Mostra, it says it can't open
the screen.  I have 2M CHIP, and these pictures are NOT that big.  View
(by CryoGenic software) can view them okay, but it has palette
distortion on some of the pics.  Take the 'Splash' pic, for instance,
from Party92.  The pic of the cherry falling into the water.

Viewtek 1.03 - An ILBM/GIF/JPEG/ANIM Viewer
Copyright (c) 1992 Thomas Krehbiel
All Rights Reserved
  640x512x4     : 7th
  ** 7th: Display open failed.

I mean come on.  640x512 16 colors, and it can't open it?  'View' can,
DPaint IV can.  I would've emailed the author, but he has no Internet
email address.

-- 
    // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
   // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ My opinions wear combat boots.  Or whatever.
\\// OS 2.04       \__\/ / "Walk!  Not bloody likely.  I am going in a
 \/                     / taxi."  --George Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: cs50665@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Enter Scogman)
Subject: Inquiry
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:52:23 GMT


Where is the best place to find quality pictures and animations for download??
Other than CompuServe or other services that you have to pay for???


Chris
-- 
                   +  Quick to judge, quick to anger
 cs50665.uxa.cso.  +  Slow to understand.
    uiuc.edu       +  Ignorance and prejudice
		   +  And fear walk hand in hand.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: ImageFX Press Release (repost)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:40:32 GMT

In article <73114@cup.portal.com> Kermit@cup.portal.com (Kermit Royce Woodall) writes:
>>>and Epson es300c scanners and displaying on the DCTV and Firecr
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>AWESOME scanner.  Isn't there a lower price than $1000, though? 
>>Plus, in the ads, it says there's an extra charge for an ASDG dr
>>Is this driver required?  What is it, exactly?
>
>No.  If you buy ImageFX it COMES with a driver for the Epson scanner at no
>extra cost.

  But where in the manual does is say how to make a cable for it?  I
noted that there were two drivers and the manual said that the alternate
driver was for a different cable.  However, I didnt find any reference
to how to make the cables or where to buy them.

>Kermit Woodall
>Nova Design, Inc.

-- 
  ___  ___    Jeff Easton             easton@zds-oem.zds.com
 (__  (__     Zenith Data Systems     j.easton@mi04.zds.com
 ___) ___)    Saint Joseph, Mich.     easton@andrews.edu
Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quiet generation

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: "david wyand" <david.wyand@canrem.com>
Subject: aga anim speed
Reply-To: "david wyand" <david.wyand@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:25:58 EST

Hi All!

With all of this talk about anim speed on AGA, has anyone tried Scala
MM200 yet?  It has an anim builder with two unique modes: Anim16 and
Anim32.

I have used Anim32 extensively with interlaced HAM animations with large
Deltas, and am very pleased.  Using anim5 format, they are sluggish, but
in anim32, they play back at any speed I say!  This is using an
A3000T/030.  The only problem is that on Scala currently uses this
format, so only Scala can play back the animations (which isn't really a
problem, unless you want to share them).

From what I have read, Scala MM200 is fully AGA compatible.  I have not
been able to test this, but if it is, this may solve some of the
problems when playing back AGA anims.  Can anyone confirm this??  Scala
MM200 is also very useful for other things, such as playing music and
sound FX to your animation.  Now if only you could time the sound FX on
a frame-by-frame basis, instead of the current
play-the-sound-effect-at-the-beginning-only mode which is currently
supported.

                                        -Dave
                                         david.wyand@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Subject: Re: Author of "mp" MPEG player on amiga.physik?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 09:17:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1993Jan8.124658.1086@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <58413@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>	Someone uploaded an MPEG player called "mp" to the ftp archives
>>on amiga.physik.unizh.ch.  There was no author information in the
>>file, but maybe the author reads this group.
>
>>	I am also the author of an Amiga freeware program called "mp"
>>(Fish Disk 478, short for "MIDI Playground").  I want to let the author
>>know this, in case he/she wants to change the release name of his/her
>>program.
>
>Sorry, that was me. The program is derived from mpeg_play (UNIX/X11) but
>I didn't want to get it confused with the other version of mpeg_play on
>amiga.physik.
>
>I'll try to fix that and choose another name for the next release.
>
>Regards,
>-- 
>Michael van Elst
>UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
>                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."

Do you know if there is any software that will encode animations 
(or allow one to store frames) in some sort of MPEG format for 
the AMiga? I'd be very interested if there is one!
Something like a IFF24 to MPEG splicing program would be super.
From: bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us (Bob Burdeau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: OpalVision Wanted somebody in U.S.A. please read!
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:01:56 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network

I have an Opalvision I just purchased, and I love it. it would be nice if it
had higher screen resolution though, like 800x600 or 1280x1024.  The paint
program is very nice and has lots of features, including loading JPEG
compressed files directly.

Anyway, you could call:
Creative Computers
4453 Redondo Beach Blvd.
Lawndale, CA 90260
Orders: 800-872-8882
Cust serv.: 310-214-0000
Their price is $999 plus shipping (fed ex. second day)

Most places will charge $999, especially since it is a new product.  Note that
the expansion boards will not be available until after february or march (I
called the company) and also be aware that you cannot plug external video
devices into the video slot, such as a DCTV (Trust me, I know)

Bob Burdeau

=-=-=-=---===-===-==-=-====-=-=-=-==--===-=-====------=-=====---=-=-==---==-=-
  Bob Burdeau - Soon-to-be-famous artist       >  You can do anything     <
 mail: bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us               <  if you try enough.      >
                                               >                          <
=-=--==--=-=-=-======-=-=-=-==--=---=-=-=-=-===--=-=-=-====--==-===-=-=-==-==-
From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Where can I put Amiga pictures ?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:07:31 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan9.174941.25312@greco-prog.fr> mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Mendez Marc) writes:
>I would like to put in a groups some pictures made with Imagine2.0,
>but I don't know in which one ? comp.binaries.amiga ?
>comp.sys.amiga.graphics ?

	All graphics binaries  should be posted  to the appropriate
newsgroup, alt.binaries.pictures.misc in this case.

-- 
-John

John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: jartymiak@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jacek Artymiak)
Subject: real-time recording to tape
Cc: jartymiak@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: jartymiak@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:29:00 +0000

Try using the shortest cable possible.



Jacek