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From: cgllgher@unix2.tcd.ie (cathal gallagher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Graeme Souness
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:43:48 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <92097.152712SC58@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SC58@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:

>Heard some news this morning about Graeme Souness - wonder how DENISE
>will take it!!

>He is to go into hospital today for triple heart bypass surgery.  He's
>supposed to be in hospital for 10 days and then will be recouperating -
>away from football - for three months - thus missing the end of the season.

>Apparently he was told about this last Thursday - but insisted on being
>present at Highbury for the semi-final - which was drawn 1-1 after extra
>time.  I'm sure the tension towards the end of the game with Portsmouth
>one goal up with the minutes ticking away couldn't have done him much good!!
>Ronnie Moran will take over in the meantime.  I suppose this gives
>the Liverpool lads an extra incentive to get through the semi final replay
>and hopefully win the final with a "Lets do it for the boss!" attitude!!

>Even though I haven't agreed with all of his decisions as manager so far,
>this definitely isn't the way I'd want him out of the picture.  So lets
>hope for a quick recovery so he can get back to his usual quiet, pleasant
>self ! 
Bullshit Souness deserves all he gets ,that hacker thought he was god's
gift to football.He betrayed Ranger's and was always arguing with
refree's,even as a player.The reason for the operation was due
to his flamboyant lifestyle known to all at Liverpool as "Champagne  
Charlie" for his love of Don Pernon and caviar , which he ordered
from all the hotels he stayed in.
His child doesn't want to know him after the affair,face it he's 
bisexual (Mark Walters came with him,he must have something else 
instead of Football skill).It's a wonder he hasn't had an attack
already after Liverpool's GREAT form and Grobelaar's GREAT 
keeping (nice one at Sheffield Utd.).Imagine leaving him in the
team ,maybe he is really mentally ill,and it's all a 
cover-up.

8-)

>Judi Young
>Univ. of Liverpool
From: t8914229@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: MY BELOVED WINS FOR GRAEME SOUNESS
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:18:44 GMT
Organization: Phillip Institute of Tech, Melbourne

LIVERPOOL (MY BELOVED) 3 - pigsmouth 1

They came close but they were just not good enough.  Coming close is one
thing, actually winning it is another.  Well done MY BELOVED on a fighting
victory: one that is truly deserved.  People who call us "lucky" is just
jealous because I'm sure that if pigsmouth won, people would say that they
"deserved it" and that they didn't win it on luck.  However, I'm sure that
people would say that MY BELOVED were "lucky".  There is always an element
of luck involved in most matches.  Anyway, that win was dedicated to the
great man himself, GRAEME SOUNESS.  Hope you can lead us out to Wembley on
the 9th May because you stuck by us all season and you deserved this:  all
your inspiration and motivation didn't go to waste.  Well done MY BELOVED,
you thoroughly deserved this win and sunderland, you are next!  MY BELOVED
were "lucky" because they were good enough to score from all their penalties
and pigsmouth were "unlucky" because they were shit enough to miss 3?????

	UP THE MIGHTY REDS
	LIVERPOOL F.C. RULES THE WORLD FOREVER AND EVER
	GRAEME SOUNESS RULES ALL MANAGERS

	LIVERPOOL F.C.
	F.A. CUP FINAL 1992
	WEMBLEY
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BRAZIL: CAN THEY BE CHAMPIONS AGAIN?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:43:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr17.074329.54569
Organization: Utah State University

In article <slcesINNaoo@agate.berkeley.edu>, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
> Arturo flamed a little bit over what he perceived as Brasil-bashing on my
> part. I like Brasil, and, unqestionably, their WC record is by far the best.
> However, I'd be surprised if they managed to get to the semifinals again,
> although they have a lot of class players. As for the prospect of them playing
> against Mexico in a world Cup Final, we should maybe get serious. 

> All due respect to South American great teams: Brasil, Argentina (whose 
> prospects I rank brighter than Brasil's) and sometimes Uruguay (not last time
> around though - Belgium ridiculed them). But: Mexico? 
> Again, let's get serious here...
> -- 
	I agree with you that Argentina right now is a better team than
Brazil (3 boos).  Brazil had the best chance in 1982 and they blew it.  I read 
an article in Soccer America bemoaned the loss of quality of Brazilian 
football.  It attributed to the relative lack of interest of new generation 
of youngsters who were more attracted to video games and so on.  They don't
playing much football on their spare time like their parents used to.  It
is kind of sad, after all the joy and pleasure that the team has given
us over the years.  
	In other posts, there were debates whether Germany deserved to be
in the finals so many times.  I would like to say that Germany is an
extraordinary team.  Look at the instances that they were behind in the game
and later either tied the game or win the game.  Games that come to mind
were final 66, semi 70, quarter final 70, semi 82, final 86 and so on.
The team got "character" !!  
       Finally, on the topic of whether US is part of AMERICA.  Would it 
be ironic if an European team did win WC94 ?  Then maybe people in South
America will blame the US and decided not to include US as part of 
America so that the rule of "no European team has ever win in America
Soil" still apply (just a joke, guys). 


Jack Teh

	



> Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
> Department of Economics
> 
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From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: Luxembourg - Turkiye 2: 3
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:42:19 GMT


>ucaris@socrates.umd.edu (Aris Kistanis) writes:

>>MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu (O. Mutlu) writes:
>
>>>Hi folks,
>
>>>the turkish national soccer team won against Luxembourg, 3:2 in Luxembourg.
>
>>>Regards, Mutlu.

>>BIG F*CKING DEAL !!!
>>Even Lichtenstein had beaten them 3-1 in 1989 ..

>>Ares

What's your problem, dude ? Nobody said it was a big deal, nor did anybody
say that it was a great victory. The above sentence only gives the result
of an international soccer game which seems to interest some people. For
your information, this newsgroup is not reserved for soccer giants but
any information related to soccer. If you do not like it you are welcome
to get of... The fact that Lichtenstein has beaten Luxemburg some time
in ancient history has as much to do with the above sentence as the price
of beans in the world market.

SO, get your act together and let people enjoy the net..

Orhan.
From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: US only likes LOW scores?????
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:15:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility


    Why does everyone have the impression the U.S. can't abide by low
scoring sports?  A British friend of mine, who happens to be both a
big soccer fan (BTW, he has no problem calling it "soccer") *and* a
big baseball fan, can't understand where his countrymen get this idea
about us.  For one thing, your average baseball score comes out about
3-2 or so (not very high scoring in my book -- our "dreadful" U.S.
soccer squad just beat the Chinese 4-0).  For another, true baseball
fans don't go round hating 0-0 games if the reason they're 0-0 is
due to fantastic fielding and pitching.  I'm positive you can say
similar things about soccer fans in "real" soccer countries.
     In baseball, one of the most exciting games of all to watch is a
0-0 game when a pitcher is working on a no-hitter.  You sure as hell
don't see droves of Americans leaving in disgust in the late innings
of such a contest.  Furthermore, several years ago, the St. Louis
Cardinals had the best attendance in baseball.  What kind of game did
the Cardinals play?  Low scoring.  Emphasis on defense.
     I think the main problem with soccer being accepted here as a
spectator sport has to do with the utter lack of coverage it receives.
Soccer is by far the most popular club sport among youth in the Phil-
adelphia area.  This obsession with youth soccer made front page news
in the main Philadelphia newspaper.  BUT where did the results of our
recent drubbing of China get printed?  On the last page in the Sports
section, hidden in super small print.  I'm not sure how our media
can acknowledge how popular soccer is on the club level and yet think
that *that* few people would be interested in soccer on the international
level.
-- 
                                  JCM                      
             |---------------------------------------------|
             |--Mills_J@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Jason Mills)----|
             |"Why would anyone want both an MD and a PhD?"|
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From: jcarmona@diana.cair.du.edu (JUAN J. CARMONA)
Subject: OLE, OLE, OLE
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:46:42 GMT

    I don't think the comments that Rosana wrote about Juanito,
give people a good description of his playing ability and karismatic
character.

    It  is true that Juanito was involved in some ugly
actions.  He always apologized. His character, in this sense,
was difficult and it dominated him sometimes.
On the other hand, Juanito was an excellent person. People
liked him because of his honesty, professionality and his sense
of friendship.

    On the field, He was a magic player. I saw him play at The 
Santiago Bernabeu Stadium in Madrid every other week for many
years and also in International competitions.
    He was incredible!
    His good dribling drove many defenders crazy.  
    His speed was held even in his name: El "Supersonico" Juanito Gomez,
as Hector del Mar,  with a Spanish radio station used to call him.
    His touches and passes were always amazing.
    He was an expert taking stopped ball shots and penalty kicks.
    He scored many goals in the three pro-teams he played for.                 
    He initiated his pro-career playing for Real Burgos when he just was 17 or 18.
    In REAL MADRID,  he spent almost all his life.  He made people to
shake intensively everywhere he played. I enjoyed watching him a lot!
    He played the last 2 years for C.D.Malaga, capital of his home town Fuengirola.
His experience and wiseness were a great example for the young
players in this modest team of the 2 division (sometimes of the first
one).
     We all know also about his important role on the National team.
Maybe, an Europe cup would have completed his brilliant career. 
     At the time, he was coaching Merida (2nd division) with good    
results.

     He carried the colours of REAL in his heart and he defended and
supported them until the day of his death. He was returning 
from watching the UEFA cup game REAL MADRID-TORINO in Madrid (april 1),
to Merida, where he had to coach his team the next day.
He was not driving.  Perhaps he was dreaming with a fantastic
goal in Torino of Butraguen~o, or a victory of Merida versus Bilbao
Athletic on sunday, or, perhaps, with his last goal with the white one.
His friend on the wheel fell sleep and Juanito (37?) said bye.
A stopped truck on the road showed him the last red car.

A new constellation is seen from Madrid on games night: Juanito
is with us.
A number 7 is in the planetarium!!

Bye Juanito. OLE, OLE y OLE!! 
 
HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!!! FORZA JUANITO!!!!!!!!

Juanjo Karmona. April 9.
  

	


  


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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Correction (Re: Yugoslavia Football Results Round 27)
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:20:39 GMT

kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:

>Yugoslavia (penalties for one point after draw)
>==========
>Round 27 (April 12)
>Sutjeska Niksic          1-1 Crvena Zvezda       (5-6 on penalties)
This should be                                     6-5 on penalties


(Corrected) Table:
 1.Crvena Zvezda Beograd     27 64-20 41
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 2.Partizan Beograd          27 51-15 38
 3.OFK Beograd               27 49-31 31
 4.Proleter Zrenjanin        27 33-34 31
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 5.Vojvodina Novi Sad        27 29-29 30
 6.Vardar Skopje             27 44-30 29
 7.FK Sarajevo               26 33-27 27
 8.NK Zemun                  27 39-33 25 
 9.Velez Mostar              26 34-35 23
10.Radnicki Nis              27 32-37 22
11.Borac Banja Luka          26 18-24 22
12.Rad Beograd               26 35-36 21
13.Sloboda Tuzla             26 23-43 18
14.Buducnost Titograd        26 22-27 17
15.Sutjeska Niksic           27 32-42 17
-----------------------------------------
16.Zeljeznicar Sarajevo      25 22-42 16
17.Pelister Bitola           27 22-49 16
18.Spartak Subotica          27 18-46 12


-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: MY DARLING SCARBOROUGH FC: Advertising on the net?
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:57:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: BNR Europe

In article <1992Apr14.191644.11724@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> lrmj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Tsubasa) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.072957.16161@tcom.stc.co.uk>,
>tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy) writes: 
>> 
>> SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CRITICISING MY BELOVED SCARBOROUGH
>
>    I don't believe this. Just when I thought Denise was gone for good, another
>person comes on the net and starts proclaiming his devotion to a team. Not
>     

UH-OH: SENSE OF HUMOUR DEFICIENCY ALERT!!!!

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Do you get paid for advertising sportswear on the net?  Perhaps I could get
a few bob off the Yorkshire Evening Post for sporting their logo in my .sig...

				Tim
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From: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies/tv
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Nitesh Patel)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

During the early 1980's there was kids programme on ITV(during weekdays)
can't remember much of it . It was about certain young characters in a teams 
supporters club. In every episode saw a bit of footy action. I'm pretty
sure the club was Watford and the ground Vicarage Rd but obviously the
names used were fictitious.

There is also The Manageress. About a women who is appointed manager of
a failing lower division side. There have been a couple of series'so far 
and another one may be on the screens soon.

	Cheers

	Nitesh
       
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From: glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill)
Subject: Re: Partick Thistle / Aldershot
Reply-To: glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:45:14 GMT

In article <38730006@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> dm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Darren
Munson) writes:

>The FA has said that only one club will go up from the GM Vauxhaul Conf.

Has this actually been confirmed?

As someone with a keen interest in the outcome, I have been trying to
find snippets in all the serious newspapers on this subject, but so far
I have not seen an article that states the League have actually made a
decision.

Glenn.

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From: veit@dbrus.Unify.Com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: Tom Dooley
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.170509.2584@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ksz@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kenneth.zaldo) writes:
>It was reported in USA Today that Tom Dooley was granted US citizenship 
>and is therefore eligible to play for the U.S. national team.

Is this the guy currently playing for 1.FC Kaiserslautern in Germany?  If yes,
he plays defense and is one of the best in Germany.  He would be a great help
for the U.S. team.

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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Croatian Football Results round 8
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:20:07 GMT

Croatia (12 teams, no European places)
=======
Round 8 (April 4)
NK Zagreb                 2-0 Hask Gradjanski Zagreb
Inker Zapresic            Abd NK Rijeka              (abandoned at 0-1)
NK Osijek                 4-0 NK Zadar
NK Varteks Varazdin       0-1 Hajduk Split
NK Istra Pula             2-0 Cibalia Vinkovci
NK Sibenik                0-0 HNK Dubrovnik

Table:
 1.Hajduk Split               8 25- 5 15
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 2.NK Zagreb                  8 16- 4 12
 3.NK Rijeka                  7 10- 5 11
 4.NK Osijek                  8 12- 7 10
 5.NK Istra Pula              8  8- 7  9
 6.Hask Gradjanski Zagreb     8 12- 7  8
 7.NK Varteks Varazdin        8 12-10  8
 8.Inker Zapresic             7 12- 8  7
 9.NK Zadar                   8  6-19  5
10.Cibalia Vinkovci           8  4-11  4
11.NK Sibenik                 8  3-16  4
12.HNK Dubrovnik              8  0-21  1


-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: German cup final: M'gladbach - Hannover
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:14:54 GMT
Organization: CS Departement, University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorro
Originator: hofmeist@zorro

The second cup semi-final has also been decided by penalty-shootout:

Hannover 96  - Bremen   0:0 after 90, 1:1 after 120, 6:5 in pen. sh.

The details:
att.: 57 000 (plus millions on TV)

1:0 Koch      (96)
1:1 Bratseth  (98)
Penalties:
(Hannover) Djelmas scores, Kohn scores
Rollmann saves pen. by Surmann, Rufer scores
Wojcicki scores, Bratseth misses goal
Sirocks scores, Legat scores
Freund scores, Borowka scores
Schoenberg scores, Wolter scores
Sievers scores, Sievers saves pen. by Bode

The final will be played May, 23rd: M'gladbach - Hannover
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.074011.21852@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:

>will improve. ETC ETC ETC. Increased musclemass will add to the skills any 
>player already possess. This has been ignored by almost all European and
>South American teams. You can bet the americans will not ignore it.
>An example is the scottish team getting knocked off the ball by a bigger,
>stronger German team. You take the scottish players, put them on an NFL
>training regime and I promise you nobody will knock them off the ball.
>
>Most NFL players train year round and have trained year round since high school.
>What I am saying is you take any soccer player and add 20 pounds of muscle to 
>him and you get a better player.
>Roy

There is slight problem, though. Increased muscle mass reduces the 
flexibility of an athlete. Flexibility is not a crucial issue in NFL
but certaily is in soccer. Considering that players like Hugo Sanches,
Maradona, Ardilles who would be considered as mere midgets by NFL
standards have been quite successful due to their speed and flexibility.

After all, you can't beat what you can't catch !!!

Sincerely,

Orhan Arsel.

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From: skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:35:21 GMT

jn@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jyrki Nummenmaa) writes:


>training? I understand that training just muscles is ok for a
>certain type of player in NFL, since the task they have is quite
>simple - to wrestle down opponents' players. 

Well actually the defensive/offensive linemen in the NFL have to be
quite skilled at their position because of their size, strength and
speed. Although they are large/bulky they are also quite agile. with
that said.......

>If your claims about the superior training methods in US and the
>importance of muscle mass hold, then why don't NHL and NFL players
>look more alike? For the same reasons expressed above, I think.

Everyone knows that the US has the best/superior <insert word> in the
world 8-) 8-) 8-).
 
--
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St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:56:46 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
>
>...and now over to something completely different:
>
>The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
>works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
>essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
>very few actual examples.
>
>There is of course the mediocre "Escape from Victory" film by John
>Huston with Sylvester Stallone (!) playing alongside Pele et al. As
>far as I know this is Hollywood's only attempt at a film about our
>noble sport. Now what does _that_ tell us ? [a rhetorical question!]

I remember seeing a Soviet movie called `The First Swallow(s)' about the men
in a Georgian village, who made a soccer team. They used to play teams from
the ships which were at the port at that time. The last one was a British
team, which won the game, but still left the Georgian team with the `moral
victory'.

I saw this a long time ago, so I can't judge the quality of the movie, but it
was interesting enough for a teenage boy.

Best regards,

Vassil
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vassil@cs.wisc.edu
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