HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews)
Subject: Re: Support for Boy Scouts
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:49:58 GMT

(Robert Losee) writes:
>Mark, as I understand your arguement you wish to sweep religion out of
>government, out of the parks, and the streets, and hold it hostage in
>a few stone building we call mosques, synagogues, temples....  I
>dismiss this.  I think an non-governmental organizations can pick
>whatever level of religious participation they wish. 

On this I agree with you.

>In short the BSA is still non-secular.  I'd like to see it stay that
>way.

As far as I can see whether the BSA remains non-secular or not.

The point of issue is over funding. If the BSA wants to remain non
secular it should give back all the money it has taken under false
pretenses from the United Way. This is the issue.

graham

--
Graham Matthews                 And it's true we are immune
Pure Math, Uni.Sydney, Oz       When fact is fiction and T.V. is reality
graham@maths.su.oz.au
From: dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Deborah Maraziti (aka Spacee))
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Skits
Keywords: skits
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:50:04 GMT
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

These skits are great!  Keep 'em coming.

To all those who posted ghost stories last month, many, many thanks.  At
our Girl Scout Jamboree, I had four evening opportunities to tell the
stories.  The "wrap wrap wrap" one got a lot of snickers, so I promised to
tell a REAL SCARY one on the last night.  I pulled the Uncle Bill diary
story, and it really did scare them.  One girl was crying in her sleep,
but she didn't remember it the next day!  Thanks again for some terrific
tales.

Debbie

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Spacee                            ~     I'm conducting a search for a
dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu        ~     planet made of chocolate.
(astronmer in lace)               ~     Funding is hard to come by... 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mandersn@iastate.edu (Mark A Anderson)
Subject: Re: Unitarian Chruch condemns BSA's discrimination against gays
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.052017.12193@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>I'm sorry I don't have the exact reference, but last week I saw an
>item in one of the Southern California papers (San Diego Union? LA
>Times?) that said that the Unitarian Church voted to condemn the BSA's
>anti-gay policy. The condemnation did not include any suggested
>actions against the BSA.

Does anyone have any more information on this?  As an Eagle Scout and acitve
member of the Unitarian Church, I am interested in hearing more about this.

My questions include:

	-- Will they still have the religious awards (Cub and Scout)?

	-- Will scouts take any action against Unitarian Scouts?

	-- Are Unitarian Churches kicking Troops out?

	-- Does this actually mean anything, or is it just a statement?

Any answers welcome, flames will be ignored.

			/\/\ark

Troops 1191 & 777 Richardson, TX / Vigil Honor / Eagle Scout / Arrow of Light
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mwilson@orl.mmc.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Re: Patrol names
Reply-To: mwilson@orl.mmc.com
Organization: Martin Marietta Orlando
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:08:53 GMT

In article Apw@pgroup.com, peteg@pgroup.com (Peter Galambos) writes:
C
CI was staffing an event at Camporee a couple of years ago when a patrol
Ccame in carrying a flag that had the word "FLAG" in black letters on a
Cwhite background.  They were wearing patrol patches with the word "PATCH"
Cin black on a white background and yelled "YELL" when they came in.
C
CYou guessed it: the Generic Patrol... (Well, I thought it was amusing)

I LIKE it!!!!


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Wilson 
Eagle Class of 1974 (they say memory is the second thing to go)
SM, Troop 565, Deltona, FL
From: ernie@uchicago.edu (Ernie Froemel)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Role of BSA COR
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:44:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.scouting
Organization: University of Chicago

I am the COR for the pack and troop sponsored by my church.  As part of my
responsibility to be active in the district and council, I am also a
District Chairman.  One of my goals has been to bring the CORs closer to
scouting and to a better understanding of their roles.  We are taking
several approaches:

1.  The District Executive should be contacting the head of each chartered
organization at least once a year.  This year, my DE is using the COR's job
description to give the organization head a better understanding of the
importance of that job.

2.  At the district kick-off, we will be distributing the job description
to unit leaders, so they better understand the role of a COR.

3.  The district is planning a breakfast training program for CORs, using
the standard COR training syllabus.  

The following is the job description for a COR.  It is either an official
BSA document or abstracted from one with the number 14-618.

Chartered Organization Representative

1.  The Chartered Organization Representative is automatically a voting
member of the council and district upon the selection of appointment by the
community organization.  The individual is to be registered during the
period of time that the organization designates this person at the
Chartered Organization Representative.

2.  The Chartered Organization Representative may become an active
participating member of one of the district's committees.

3.  Primary responsibilities are:  (1) to help units to be successful, and
(2) coordination between chartered organization and Scouting.  Detailed
responsibilities are as follows:

* Help recruit the right leadership.
* Encourage unit leaders and committee members to take training.
* Promote well planned unit programs.
* Serve as liaison between your units and your organization.
* Organize enough units.
* Promote the recruiting of new members.
* See that boys graduate from unit to unit.
* Assist with unit rechartering.
* Suggest Good Turns to your organization.
* Encourage active outdoor unit programs.
* Emphasize unit advancement and recognition.
* Bring district help and promote its use.
* Use approved unit finance policies.
* Encourage recognition of leaders.
* Cultivate resources to support your organization's units.
* Represent your organization on your local council.
* Represent your organization at the monthly district committee meetings.
* Accept district committee assignments.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: buboo@taxus.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Looking for clipart.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:40:34 GMT

I'm looking for scout related clipart of any kind.

The clipart files should be for the Messy-Daws computer. I do prefer
TIFF, EPS or any other stuff that can easily be imported into Aldus 
Page Maker. (Yes, I'm basicaly lazy ;).

If I'm not mistaken this material is availible on a BITnet mailinglist.

FTP is preferred, but I think I can handle a mailserver too :-)

\Ruben.
(L|v}s-Fyllingsdalen Speidergruppe, Bergen, Norway, Europe)

PS:
  |  == Forslashed-o.
  }  == a-ring.
  :DS


-- 
    Ove Ruben R Olsen, Professional VI user. EMAIL: Ove.R.Olsen@ubb.uib.no
  Maintaining the Largest  VI/EX-STUFF Archive in the WORLD (alf.uib.no) and
the Comp.Editors FAQ file. If you have information about editing, new editors,
  please get in touch with me. This does not apply to EMACS type of editors.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Support for Boy Scouts
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:30:59 CDT

In article 711938998@galois, graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews) writes:
Robert Losee) writes:
> 
> The point of issue is over funding. If the BSA wants to remain non
> secular it should give back all the money it has taken under false
> pretenses from the United Way. This is the issue.
> 
> graham
> 

As I see it part of the pretense belongs to the UW.  The UW is often
seen as a very liberal organization.  I perceive that they try to
balance this immage by keeping conservative organizations onboard
like the BSA.  Many people who would not otherwise give to the UW, 
give because organizations like the BSA participate.


I agree that it is time for the BSA to dump the UW!


If the BSA is required to return money recieved in the past, then UW should
also be required to return the same to it's donors.  (Nearly impossible.)
(In fact it should be required to return the money of those who were
convinced to donate because of the BSA.)  There is too much water under the 
bridge, but we should end the relationship now!




---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       If you have a watch, you always know what time it is.
            If you have two, you're never quite sure.

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Unitarian Chruch condemns BSA's discrimination against gays
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:20:17 GMT

I'm sorry I don't have the exact reference, but last week I saw an
item in one of the Southern California papers (San Diego Union? LA
Times?) that said that the Unitarian Church voted to condemn the BSA's
anti-gay policy. The condemnation did not include any suggested
actions against the BSA.

- Carl



--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: cskeaa@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Ketola Aarne Vesa Pekka)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Patrol names
Date: 20 Jul 92 06:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: cskeaa@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Ketola Aarne Vesa Pekka)
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

One idea for patrol names is (at least) in Finland,
that a patrol could use the voice
of the animal in the patrol name to give messages to other
scouts in the same same patrol. For example "come here!"

So, it can't be just any funny animal.

Pekka
--
##########################  'Contrariwise', continued Tweedledee,'if it was
     Pekka Ketola        #    so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be;
  Keskisenkatu 6 K 63    #    but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
 33710 TAMPERE,  FINLAND #    (Lewis Carroll, 1871)
Xref: sparky rec.scouting:2231 alt.atheism:14222 ba.politics:3715 ca.politics:5961
From: m0039@tnc.UUCP (RANDOLPH FINDER)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Continuing Scouting in college
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: m0039@tnc.UUCP (RANDOLPH FINDER)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


 
To continue to Service of Scouting in College: Alpha Phi Omega
 
Alpha Phi Omega is a National Service Fraternity.
 
Alpha Phi Omega's cardinal principles are Leadership, Friendship and
Service.
 
Alpha Phi Omega's program of service is directed to four areas:
Campus, Community, nation, and members.
 
There are about 350 active chapters of Alpha Phi Omega in the United
States and more than 225,000 students have chosen Alpha Phi Omega.
There are about 150 chapters of Alpha Phi Omega, Phillipines.
 
Alpha Phi Omega was founded by former Boy Scouts who wanted to
practice Scouting ideals in the college setting. They decided the best
approach was to adopt the Scouting tradition of service. Furthermore
the Scout Oath and Law were chosen as the guiding principles and they
are still today.
 
Until 1967 membership was open only to former Boy Scouts. As the
fraternity rapidly grew, it realized other college students had a
desire to render service and had beliefs similar to that of the BSA.
Membership is now open to any college student, male or female,
regardless of race, color, creed, or other fraternal affiliation.
Alpha Phi Omega is not a social fraternity. Our open membershiip
policy means that there are no selective or exclusive membership
requirements and there is absolutely no hazing.
 
Alpha Phi Omega maintains strong ties to its scouting roots. Each
chapter is required to have a Scouting advisor. Scouting heratige is
evident in the traditions and symbolism of this fraternity. Two
National officers of the BSA serivce on the Alpha Phi Omega National
Board of Directors. HOWEVER, the BSA does not finance or govern the
fraternity in any way. Service to Scouting is a major facet of
fraternity projects every year. Chapters sponsor Scout troops, staff
camporees and other functions, clean up Scout camps and assist in fund
raising.
 
 
 
While Alpha Phi Omega is currently in the United States and the
Phillipines, any appropriately sized college campus could be
appropriate.
 
The address of the Alpha Phi Omega National Office is
19401 E. 42nd St.
Independence, MO 64055-9932
 
There is an Alpha Phi Omega Mailing list called APO-L, which deals
with Alpha Phi Omega issues to which anyone may subscribe.
 
Send me Email for more information on any part of Alpha Phi Omega
including location of chapters, APO-L or anything else. I will be
happy to respond.
 
Yours in Leadership, Friendship and Service
 
Randolph Finder
Alumni Volunteer Alpha Phi Omega, (D.C. & MD) (Section 84)
(tnc!m0039@uunet.uu.net)
-- 
The Next Challenge - Public Access Unix in Northern Va. - Washington D.C.
703-803-0391 To log in for trial and account info.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jmcc@buggs.pac.sc.ti.com (John McCollum)
Subject: patrol names
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:19:23 GMT

The boys in our troop got real ingenious and started naming their patrols
with acronyms.  One interesting one was the Semi - Lethargic Underwater Turtles,
                                            -      -         -          -      
much to the consternation of some of the moms.  Thankfully, there is no such
patch. :)

Keep Scouting,
John McCollum
ASM Troop 895, Circle Ten Council
Richardson, TX
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts lose funding, SeaFirst bank,
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:58:31 CDT

 kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

[Reposted from a mailing list]

>Seattle Times Friday July 10 1992 City Edition page A1 (front page!):


>      BANKS CUT CORPORATE DONATIONS TO SCOUTS
>      Policy of excluding homosexuals is cited
>      By Carol M. Ostrom, Times staff reporter
>
>      ...
>      In Seattle, the controversy is haunting a nervous United Way,
>still smarting from a 1988 fund-raising campaign crippled by a
>controversy over funding of Planned Parenthood.
>      ...
>      

So that the real issue isn't it?  If UW gives to the BSA they can also give
to Planned Parenthood.  If they drop the BSA they loose the support of 
all those wealthy conservatives.   Now, unveiled, we see the UW as the real 
parasite!

This relationship just isn't working out the way it was designed to.  It's time
to drop the UW.

---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       member--Minnesotans for Global Warming.

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught)
Subject: Re: Eagle Scout Projects
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:23:27 GMT

Surely someone has compiled a list of eagle projects.  Probably in several
back issues of _Scouting_ and _Boy's Life_.  Maybe someone could compile
a master list.
-- 
Danny Faught    danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Save this sig - I'll be famous someday
From: hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: 4th Generation Eagles
Keywords: Eagle
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:32:03 GMT
Organization: Concurrent - Oceanport NJ

I am trying to locate any 4th Generation Eagle Scouts. My son will
be getting his Eagle soon (after a couple of MB and a project). He
will be a 4th Generation Eagle. (First one in the family was 1915).
I would like to know where there are others. He will also be number 14 
in the family in 4 generations with 3 brothers behind him, one of whom
is also a Life Scout.

I am a member of NESA, class of 1968.

Help me out if you can. Thanks.

In scouting.
-- 

US MAIL: Hilding W. Holroyd - CONCURRENT COMPUTER CORP.(Ex MASSCOMP,Interdata)
FAX: 908-870-5952    2 Crescent Place, Oceanport NJ 07757   PH 908-870-4558 
UUCP:  rutgers.edu!ocpt!holroyd    or   Internet:  holroyd@ocpt.ccur.com
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Girl Scouts 
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 08:07:06 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

First, my computer ate the list of those of you who have responded by
email. If you could please do so again, or post publicly (let the BS know
we're here :) !) that would be great. thanks.

Also, does anyone know the rest of this song:
*Little Black Things*
[sung to the tune of My Darling Clementine]

Little Black Things.
Little Black Things.
Crawling up and down my arm.
If I let them have babies
I could have a black things farm.

(2nd verse is something about not bathing
 and changing clothes and creating a smell)

(3rd verse is about finding a boyfriend who
 kisses the singer and runs away. she wants
 to know if it was the black things or the smell)

Some girls from Beaumont, Texas sung it to our group and I just thought it
was so cute, but we didn't have time to get the words from them.

Do ya'll (yep, I'm from Texas) use Patrol or Troop notebooks for your
troops? Our council trainers have suggested both, but it just seems to be
that you use whatever works best for your troops.

thanks all. More later.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: wizzard@wam.umd.edu (The Wizzard)
Subject: Re: Patrol Names
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.125544.21761@hemlock.cray.com> dadams@cray.com writes:
>The patrol of new scouts I work with has chosen the name:
>
>"Beef Patrol"
>
>The Patrol Yell:
>
>Beef Patrol! Beef Patrol!
>Moo! Moo! Moo!
>Cowpies! Cowpies!  OooH! OooH!

When there was a Leadership Corps,  our leadership corps called themselves
the "Apples" and their cheer was "Rotten, Rotten, to the core, We're the
apples forever more"  [the pun being on the "Leadership Corps" and an 
"apple core".

Signed,
  Shawn Scoles
  ASM of Troop 299, Hyattsville, MD
  Eagle class of 1988



Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: jce@cs.scarolina.edu (James C. Evans)
Subject: Re: Support for Boy Scouts
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:33:23 GMT

rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee) writes:

>As I stated earlier in this post, I believe atheists would object to 
>allowing a spiritual dimension in the scouts.  I can't see how we 
>could have a before meal prayer. I question whether we could honor 
>scouts for their religious awards as we currently do.  My experience 
>is that in all non-religious organizations, these issues are not 
>discussed at all.  It becomes an american taboo.

Suppose that John Doe has a son in scouts.  John believes in something
he calls God, but he does not believe in the Christian God (for example).
He does not want his child to pay homage to what he considers is a
false God.  He and his son attend cub scout summer camp, and his son
dresses in his full dress uniform (as instructed) for dinner, including
his hat.  Prior to dinner, all the scouts and parents are assembled
outside the dining hall, and a couple of songs are sung.  The
leader of the singing then instructs everyone to remove his hat and
bow his head for a "neutral" prayer with a decidedly Christian
flavor.

What should John and his son do?  Violate their own "duty to God"
by participating in the prayer?  Stand there with hat on and head
held high, and risk ostracism?

Should scouting practice put a father and son in such a position?
From: dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Deborah Maraziti (aka Spacee))
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Wish Boxes for GS was Re: PLEASE MAKE A NEW NEWSGROUP
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:10:47 GMT
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <BP35NB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>
>girls just became Jr.'s, I'm hoping for suggestions on how to choose and
>complete badges, lots of new songs and games and such. We have a fairly
>
My troop was not very good at making decisions last year, so I designed a
"Wish Box."  I told the girls to write down their wishes on little slips
of paper and to place them in the box.  Whenever we felt it was time to 
begin working on a new badge, someone would draw a wish from the 
wish box.  For instance, one girl's wish was for money.  We then began
to work on our Money Sense badge.  Another wished to visit the Humane
Society.  We did our Pet Care badge. I don't know if we will be using
this system next year or not, since, in the meantime, we worked on 
the Decisionmaker Badge (_my_ choice!).

Debbie


--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Spacee                            ~     I'm conducting a search for a
dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu        ~     planet made of chocolate.
(astronmer in lace)               ~     Funding is hard to come by...
From: emg@Metaphor.COM (Mike Greenawalt)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Patrol names
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: emg@Metaphor.COM (Mike Greenawalt)
Organization: m4

One of the most fun ideas I ever saw used for a patrol name was used by a
patrol in my adult leader training class.  They called themselves the
Generic Patrol.  The patch was a simple yellow fabric disk.  They wore 
plain yellow neckerchiefs.  Their flag was a yellow banner with the word
FLAG on it in big black letters.  Their yell was "YELL".

This was back at the time when generic products in the supermarket were
all the rage.

-- 
+---------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
| Mike Greenawalt           | emg@metaphor.com                           |
| Manager, Software Quality | ...!{apple|decwrl}!metaphor!emg            |
| 	   Assurance        |                                            |
| Metaphor Computer Systems | Metaphors be with you.                     |
| 1965 Charleston Road      |                                            |
| Mountain View, CA 94043   | These opinions are mine, not my employer's |
+---------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
Subject: Re: Support for Boy Scouts
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:35:11 GMT

In <1992Jul27.150812.14221@cpqhou.compaq.com> jayb@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jay Brinkmeyer) writes:

>I was a Boy Scout growing up and enjoyed it a great deal. Since then, I've 
>long since lost my manual. Does JC Penny or Sears still sell scouting 
>equipment? Am I required to be a scout to purchase a new manual?

>Thanks,

>Jay Brinkmeyer

Boy Jay, you're in the wrong thread here.  This is for people with a 
high need to argue.

Never the less, anyone can buy a scout manual.  I've never heard of JC
Penny or Sears selling specific BSA equipment.  Most cities have some 
local store as an outlet.  Frequently sports stores. 
-- 
*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
Robert D. Losee                 BITNET: ucas402@unlvm
University of Nebraska          Internet: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu
326 Admin Bldg                  FAX: (402) 472-5280
Newsgroups: rec.scouting