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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Quick Pinball Vote
Keywords: 2-ball multi-ball, million plus ;^)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:41:57 GMT

Here's my Pinball Favorites. After playing pinball for 17 years, I could not
narrow it down to 5, so I included 10. These 10 are in chronological order but
do not reflect preference (that would be to hard to do).

10) Jubilee - EM (1974?) the first pinball I ever played this started the
    addiction, anyone remember this one?

 9) Wizard - EM a classic probably the only EM I would buy today

 8) Knockout - EM the first machine I every turned over when that meant getting
    100,000

 7) Eight Ball - First SS I extensively played anybody remember Bally Super
    Shoter contest around 1977? This game was used for the district finals.

 6) Playboy - Another classic, plus being a prepubescent boy added to the
    excitement This game was also used for the Super Shooter Finals held
    at the Playboy mansion in Chicago.

 5) Xenon - Try a tube shoot

 4) Black Knight- The first real different game out there, I think it started
    getting designers thinking.

 3) Cybernaut - Damn I could loop the ramp on this thing for days. I think I 
    turned it over 6 times once.

 2) Fun House - the game that got me back into heavy pinball playing

 1) Fish Tales - What till you guys play this one.
From: jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: ADJUST FAILURE on Williams Machines?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:18:58 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <5379@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu+ angst@shamrock.ucsb.edu (love) writes:
+I've got a High Speed, but I figure maybe this problem has happened
+to owners of other Williams machines.
+
+When I power up my machine, the display flashes ADJUST FAILURE.
+When I use the black adjust buttons inside the door, it says
+FACTORY SETTINGS, and then allows to make adjustments such as
+number of balls/game, free play yes/no, etc.  Once I make some
+desired adjustments, the machine works.  But if I turn it off 
+and let it sit overnight, I have the same problem when I power 
+it up.
+
+Anyone have any ideas?

Three new "AA" Alkalines on the MPU board and you'll be sitting pretty.

Your CMOS RAM is losing memory and when the game boots up, no preset
adjustments are stored. When you enter the diags, default presets are
extracted from the game ROM. That why it works until power-down.

The new batteries will last several years on average. Next... ;^)

                 Jerry (Dr. Pinball) Carathers

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From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Quick Pinball Vote
Keywords: 2-ball multi-ball, million plus ;^)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:52:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

My top 5 favorites:
  5) Jokerz (Williams)
  4) Funhouse (Williams)
  3) Earth Shaker (Williams)
  2) Taxi (Williams)
  1) The Addams Family (Bally/Williams)

  Honorable Mention) Big Betty's Truck Stop (Bally)

Later,
Ben...

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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Re: Judgment Day
Originator: bcasper@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: No sleep last nite...
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:22:58 GMT


In article <6307@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers) writes:
|>In the last two weeks I sold three games that I wasn't playing anymore.
|>Mousin' Around, Diner and BK2000. Oh... and I picked up a pristine
|>Terminator 2 yesterday.  

|>Get this, a guy got my number from an operator because he'd bought a T2 new
|>in the carton and his wife decided that she didn't want it in the house
|>anymore. He was referred to me and now Arnie is alive and well in my
|>gameroom! I'm surprised my neighbors didn't call the police at 2 AM last
|>nite when I was whipping around that chase loop with motorcycle sound
|>effects thundering through the house (stereo, equalizer, BIG speakers, et.
|>al). 

|>This is too good to be true! I have the #1 and #2 rated pinball games at
|>home (Replay and Play Meter top 10, July). Am I dreaming...

Golly Gee, Jerry!  I Suuure are proud of yew!  Yew really are Mr. Pinball.

...

[Sarcasm on]
Say, did I ever tell the whole net about my _brand_ _new_ _Harley_.  How about
my amazingly LOUD hotrod?   Jeepers, you should see _how_much_money_
I have spent _this_year_alone_ on slick clothes and salon hair styles.  All
of the hot babes are flocking.  Everyone wants to be me...
[Sarcasm off]

...

Say, Jerry...  No hard feelings or anything, but > Who Cares <.  Most of
the people who read this group would be happy to own any _1_ of your mahcines.
Why must you spend so much time _bragging_ about _all_ of them.


Call me critical, but for the past I don't know how many months, I've watched
this go on, and like a puss filled infection, it's swelled in my brain.
Granted, I got outta bed on a pretty sore foot this morning, but the one nerve
I had left has just been grated upon.

Somebody get me a valium.
-- 
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Brian Casper                |   "I like to study psychologists.  It gives
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: JUBILEE kitchen wax
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:44:44 GMT

Jubilee kitchen wax was recommended for applying to playfields.  Besides
removing newly applied "testors" touch up paint, is there any problems using'
this wax, rather than the "real" pinball wax?

What advantages does real pinball wax have.

Regards,	
Mike palmer    				Telephone: (305) 797-2326 (W)
email: mpalmer@encore.com               	   (305) 746-3146 (H)
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From: irace@lanai.keck.hawaii.edu (Will Irace (jnr))
Subject: Re: Judgment Day
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords: No sleep last nite...
Reply-To: irace@lanai.keck.hawaii.edu
Organization: W. M. Keck Observatory (CARA), Kamuela, HI, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:16:38 GMT

>In article <1992Jul28.172258.14768@ncsu.edu+ bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
+Say, Jerry...  No hard feelings or anything, but + Who Cares <.  Most of
+the people who read this group would be happy to own any _1_ of your mahcines.
+Why must you spend so much time _bragging_ about _all_ of them.

I must add my voice to the chorus in support of Jerry. As someone 
who regularly fantasizes about building a pinball collection, I 
enjoy hearing about those who actually DO collect pins. I agree 
that the volume is low enough on this group to permit such 
postings, and I hope they keep coming, from Jerry and from others.

It has been my experience that there aren't many people in the 
real.world that give a rat's ass about pinball, and we are all 
lucky to have found this forum where most participants are 
relentlessly fanatic about all things pinball -- it's fair to take 
advantage of it by spouting off enthusiasm once in a while.

[flame on] back off. [flame off]

--Will                        #include stddisclaimer.h
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From: jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Speaking of Diamond Plate
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:43:30 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <5259@transfer.stratus.com> overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf) writes:
>
>My opinion of diamond plate:
>
> Not bad; but I still think the high traffic areas need they
> mylar. 
>
>			Opinions??
>
>				Regards,	Dallas...

I agree, Dallas that high traffic areas need they mylar. So does Williams. TAF
and others have areas of mylar over the Diamond Plate.

Most T2's that I work on have wear areas in the light blue region around the
return lanes that won't clean off, even with Novus 2. If the Diamond Plate is
routinely waxed, no wear should ever occur, but as we know...

I think DP is a great idea if it is maintained. The nicest thing is that it
doesn't bubble up over the lights lenses from heat as mylar does.


	     Get the..RUN...GO....... EXCELLENT!!!

	     I just love those bizaare sentance linkings,

	           Jerry (Mr. Pinball) Carathers

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From: jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Judgment Day
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6323
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <SBB.92Jul27203740@panix.com+ sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:
+In article <6307@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM+ jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers) writes:
+
+   In the last two weeks I sold three games that I wasn't playing anymore.
+   Mousin' Around, Diner and BK2000. Oh... and I picked up a pristine
+   Terminator 2 yesterday.  
+
+One word, Jerry: INFIDEL!
+
+You unloaded BK2K?!  Ah well, that's just one more in circulation for
+those of us who know quality when we play it...  :-)
+
+--
+    Steve Baumgarten       |  "New York... when civilization falls apart,
+    PANIX, New York, NY    |   remember, we were way ahead of you."


You know, Steve, somehow I sensed this retaliation coming :^). In all honesty,
I always stated, even when I first bought my BK2K that I didn't adore it as
some do. 

I know it's a good game, but technology has progressed. As you should know, my
collection is a FIFO stack (with the exception of Elvira which is currently my
oldest game). I would get rid of my Terminator before I'd sell Elvira!

You may rest assured Steve that my BK2K ended up in a loving home.


		      IT'S PAYBACK TIME!!!

		      Jerry (Mr. Pinball) Carathers
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From: adoerfer@welkin.enet.dec.com (_bill)
Subject: Re: Quick Pinball Vote
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:45:38 GMT


  Tied for 1-5 (and beyond)

 1-5. Laser War (DE), Krull (Gottleib), BK2000, Space Station, The Machine:
	Bride of Pinbot (Williams)

Honorable Mentions:
	Centaur, TAF, Xenon, Black Hole, Millionaire, F-14 Tomcat, Rollergames,
	Sing Along, Balls-a-poppin, Banzai Run, Sexy Girl and Strange Science.

My home collection also reflects I can't decide on just five, either.
_bill (Still moving)
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From: xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Bad CMOS RAM on Black Knight
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:40:47 GMT

In article <19040@fritz.filenet.com> ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung) writes:
>Slightly off the subject (but still related), is there a way to change
>the batteries in a game WITHOUT losing the high scores and game settings?

This is just a brainless thought, and I take no responsibility for resulting
electrocution, but have you considered changing the batteries with the power
turned on?  The game shouldn't need to draw power from the batteries while it's
turned on.
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
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From: victim@eskimo.celestial.com (Tony Garton)
Subject: Re: ADJUST FAILURE on Williams Machines?
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:02:15 GMT


there are two possibilities:
#1) your AA batteries are dead.  Replace them.
#2) you have a loose/shorted diode on a flipper coil.  Check your
diodes.
From: keatesm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Keates(MSC RJH))
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: HSII Backglass
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:45:12 GMT

bradam@twobits.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Martinson) writes:

>Okay, so Steve is in the car on the backglass.  Fine. So who is the guy 
>on the dot matrix when the chick looks in and says "Nice Car!" ?

And who is saying "Hop in" (i.e. what real person was sampled saying it)?

Come to think of it, who does the samples for pinball machines.
A lot I can work out (T2, TAF, etc.) or I get told (Funhouse) but who is
Dr. Dude, the cops and girl in HS2, the dummy in Hurricane, etc.,etc. ?

Are they out of work radio/ad voice over actors or what?

Martin.
From: sands@apple.com (Michael Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: for RATS
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:29:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc

Sorry to use net bandwidth but Jack lost her number, is in transit, and
needs to get in touch so he can deliver a game!

Joanne Peterson (aka RATS), 

Please phone home, or send me mail with your phone so Jack can deliver 
the game.  He is packing and getting ready to move and needs to do 
this very soon, like in the next three days.

Thanks,

Michael

PS  If you have read this far, know her number or mail address, and can
help, please do so.
From: grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com (Dean Grover)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Addams Family question
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:09:57 GMT
Reply-To: grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article 711294760@cs.man.ac.uk, keatesm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Keates(MSC RJH)) writes:
> phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus) writes:
> 
> >     You've put your finger on the cause exactly; when you end a ball with a
> >bonus higher than 20M, this quote is said.  The newer ROMs flash the bonus
> >display while the quote is being said, making it clear that this is the cause.
> >     As for what it says, I believe it's "Who says you can't take it with
> >you?", though I've also heard people say that it's "Too bad you can't take it
> >with you!"
> 
> Definitely "Who says".
> Even on the newer ROMs there are times when it should say the quote but
> doesn't, when you have a bonus multiplier and no frenzy rooms (and get more
> than 20M, obviously).

I think it make sense the way it is now.  When collecting a bonus which includes
a mansion room extra, you will not get that bonus back, so it says "Who says you
can't take it with you!" (Mine clearly says this).  On the other hand, if your
bonus breaks 20M, and it is entirely made up of bear kicks & mansion rooms,
it says nothing because that amount will be collected next ball (except for the
bonus multiplier).

Dean

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From: bovine@engin.umich.edu (Mitchell Rohde)
Subject: Cleopatra
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:49:03 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

  WANTED WANTED WANTED

  Anyone have logic boards for a 1978 gottleib  CLEOPATRA?

   I would like to get some, mine is having problems....

                                 mitch

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From: chrisc@alan.cs.odu.edu (Christopher Carpinello)
Subject: Re: Quick Pinball Vote
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:43:17 GMT

Jerry C Carathers writes:

   I'll kick it off with my top five list as of 28 July 1992:

   Drum roll please...

			# 5 --- The Party Zone (Bly/Wms 1991)
			# 4 --- FunHouse (Wms 1991)
			# 3 --- Terminator 2 (Wms 1991)
			# 2 --- Elvira and the Party Monsters (Bly/Wms 1989)
		 and...
			# 1 --- The Addams Family (Bly/Wms 1992)


ok, i've been reading this list for months.  time for my 2 cents..

maybe a surprise or two in this list:

5) Flash (Wms/1979)	(started my pinball "career" on this machine)
4) Black Knight		(classic.  no words needed)
3) Bride of Pinbot	("now I see you")
2) Black Knight 2000	("stand up and fight", "gimmie your money")
1) The Addmas Family	(why wouldn't you play this machine?)

#chris



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========= Old Dominion University Computer Science Dept, Systems Group ========
From: lfs@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (Lyman F Sheats Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Lethal Weapon DE
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:21:16 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers, Mr. WMS Pinball) writes:

>I remember someone mentioning that the movie sequences were pointless. There
>is a time when you fire in every one of them. When you see the characters eyes
>glow, fire the gun. A voice will prompt you if the volume is loud enough. It's
>good for 1 million.

Yes, and if you fire at the right time, you also get awarded the current
stunt value at the end of the scene.  My favorite stunt by far it the one
where the toilet comes flying out of the house and crashes on the car.
I think that scene is from LW2.

>I couldn't find any bugs in the software. They are improving! I'm going to
>reccommend [sic] one each for my operator friends. They'll make money, even
>though I'll never own one. Thumbs sideways.

Gee, Jerry, you should really learn how to spell :-).  You're almost as
bad as Dallas :-) :-).  Or do you have one of those hyper key repeating
SPARCstations running X?

I too think that LW3 will do pretty well in the collection department.
And I don't think I'd ever want to own one, either.  Heck, I don't think
I'd spend much time playing one once I figure the game out.  Who knows?
But I think the game is a much better than average offering from DE.

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From: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Re: Quick Pinball Vote
Keywords: 2-ball multi-ball, million plus ;^)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:10:41 GMT

jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers) writes:



>Well fellow pinheads, how about us generating a mid-year impromtu vote for our
>top five favorite pinballs of all time. I know, I know, we have kosher ways of
>doing this on a semi-annual basis, but a little informal discussion is fine on
>such a low traffic group, IMHO.

5) Cyclone
4) Funhouse
3) Gilligan's Island
2) Earthshaker
1) Whirlwind

All of these, I believe, are Williams (GI is Bally/Williams).

Remember, HEAD FOR THE SHELTER!

Erik

PS  Ooh, nice shelter.
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phone in the Porsche beside her, decided __|<  /|__ who said that you were 
that he should die, and felt good all over"| \/ |   going to bring him back"
--Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children       Erik:   wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Pin Characteristics (Was: Re: older games)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:42:02 GMT

> josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
> ....
> >Maybe
> >a question of more general interest would be "What FEATURES
> >of a game make it a good game (or conversely, a bad game) for
> >you?"
> 
> >For me, for example, I love drop targets. This means that I tend to
> >like the old Gottliebs, which often had forests of drop targets

This is so true of my pin, Haunted House, which even has a set of drop
targets on the lower level!  This machine is in B--/C++ condition, with
several places on the playfield worn down to the wood, but it has 
cleaned up nicely - the two main boards are currently at a repair shop
for testing - and to refit many of the plug contacts - many of them
were corroded to hell because of the high humidity down in NC where
is was originally kept.  I bet Jerry has air conditioning and a 
dehumidifier in the damp Pacific Nor'west :)

Clearly this features question can be answered in many ways.  Certainly
many of us love the Addams family machine because of many features
unique to it such as "Thing Flips" and the Thing Hand itself.  Haunted
House has three levels - multi level stuff has been done again, but not
previously as far as I know - am I wrong on this?  Fire has a big bell on
top that makes a hell of a lot of noise - try this for noise in your
apartment!

Anyway, unique features such as the above combined with a clear plot (finish  
the Mansion, get all the cheezy ingredients on Gilligan, etc) begin the 
makings for a good machine in my mind.  However, the bottom line is  
playability.  If you get a machine that has a kicker that kicks the ball
down between the flippers 5 times out of 10, then no matter the plot, it's
not a fun machine to play, and that is my bottom line - there are machines  
like "Cyclone" that have basically no plot (i.e., most ways to get points
are separate - there's no "story", so to speak) but are basically fun to 
play on.

The older machines may not have the sound effects and graphics that we
have come to expect in a new pin, but, in good repair, can be fun
and challenging in their own right.

> >They also often took the whole game
> >on a tilt, not just ball in play....
> >what do other people think?

I think "Ha Ha HA - you're a funny guy!"

Orin
 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: jerryc@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jerry C Carathers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: My Top 5 - really Whirlwind
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:59:45 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <7455@monmouth.edu> ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder) writes:
>In article <Bs4xIs.9LH@news.udel.edu> moody@brahms.udel.edu (John David Moody) writes:
>>5.  Whirlwind
>(Was diamond-plate an option for Whirlwind, or did they change from mylar
>to d.p. midway through the production run?)
>
>
>Bennett Broder               Monmouth College

Actually they changed from Diamond Plate to mylar after 3000 units. This was
the first game to sport Diamond Plate and it was spendier than mylar and still
experimental, so with Whirlwind and Diner only the first 3000 had it. This
represents about 25% of each production run. My Whirlwind and Diner were both
mylared (later units).

        	BIIIIIG POINTS... (100,000, yeah, right)

		     Jerry (Mr. Pinball) Carathers
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