HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kchu@romulus.rutgers.edu (Kyle Trott Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mountain Co-op
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:18:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

eandersen@PFC.Forestry.CA writes:
>Mountain Equipment Co-op is in Vancouver.  You can phone their toll free 
number in order to receive catalog.  The number is: 1-800-663-2667.  Their 
prices are quite good; (much better than Victoria stores) on cycling gear and 
hiking equipment, clothing, etc.  I have been a member for years and am very 
pleased with them.

Note:  For those NOT in Canada, that phone number won't work...

That includes those in the USA. I've called them before, and every time

there is a recording stating wordss to the effect that this number is not

valid. (ie. not allowable).

The CS/people in the store have confirmed this...

Try calling the regular international number.

If not try the number for the main store.
That how I've gotten my catalogs frequently.

kc
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Rob Gordon <rgordon@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Reflections on that Incredible Day At L'Alpe D'Huez
Originator: rgordon@cvxcs
Reply-To: rgordon@convex.COM (Rob Gordon)
Organization: CONVEX Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:33:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <l6vdtpINNrkh@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
:Here is an interesting tidbit that happened on that magical day
:at L'Alpe D'Huez that you probably won't read anywhere, but is worth
:relating.
:
:After each stage of the TdF(TIOOYK) there is about a 1/2 hour TV program,
:sort of like a US talk show where the key riders of the day's stage
:are interviewed.  Of course, Andy was being interviewed by the show
:when his girlfriend, Linda, popped up in the crowd.  Andy saw her
:and turned to the interviewer and said, "Pardon", excused himself and
:went over to Linda and gave her a big hug and a kiss.  He returned to
:the interview and the interviewer asked him who that was.  Andy explained
:that it was his girlfriend and that he was suprised to see her because
:she was supposed to be watching him on the 2nd to last pass of the stage,
:the Croix de Fer(how Linda got from there to L"Alpe is a great story,
:but not for the net!), and not at L'Alpe D'Huez.
:
come on, you can tell us!


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: RAAM Update Wednesday 9pm
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:18:37 GMT

Wednesday 9pm 1-900-454-bike (.95 per minute)

Hogan passed through Wichita Falls, TX at 6:07 pm 1642 miles, 11.1
mph, 266 mpd
Turner 187
Allsion 227
Regan dropped due to knee problems


Kish passed through Mt. Pleasant, TX at 7:52 pm 1889 miles, 15.0 mph,
360 mpd
Fourney 14
Tatrai 66
Kees 107
Kent  160
Ward 206
Vetterli 267
Stoneman 305
Schartz 322
Bowles 342
Kross 373
Black 382
(5 more men - sorry didn't get all the names)

the above looks just like last year!!!

The real competition seems to be in the mixed tandem division

Wilson-Rietman passed through Miami, TX at 5:55pm, mile 1400, 11.3
mph, 271 mpd

The Addisons came through 13 minutes later!!!


Haldeman-Breedlove went through Iowa Park, Texas at 8:30pm, mile 1628,
15.5 mph, 372 mpd

We're off to do some of our own ultra-marathoning this weekend, but I
will try to post Sunday night or Monday AM.

-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Entry Level MTB Trade-offs
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:53:26 GMT

I realize that this group operates at a fairly high technical level,
but I'm sill in need of some neophyte advice.  As mentioned earlier,
I'm looking for an entry level mountain bike.  Riding would include
2-3 1 hour weekday evening rides and maybe one longer ride on weekends
on easy to intermediate trails.

There seems to be two separate classes of entry level MTBs, one in
the $350 range and one in the $450 range.  The one I'm leaning towards
now is the Specialized Rockhopper ($450).  However, I'm concerned that
I'm spending too much money, buying more bike than I need.  The bikes
in the $350 range clearly introduce some trade-offs however, and I find
it difficult to judge which are significant for my needs.  Consider
the following compromises.

    - Frame which is not 100% chro-moly (usually the stays are
      not chro-moly in most of the $350 bikes)
    - Fewer sealed components (especially bottom bracket)
    - Frame is not butted.
    - Rims not heat treated.

I am sure there are others.  I'm soliciting any advice regarding which
compromises are reasonable, and which aren't.

Also, if anyone has any specific comments about the following brands
and models, I'd love to see them:

   Specialized: Rockhopper, Hard Rock Ultra
   Mongoose: Rockadile, Alta
   Giant: Sedona, Yukon
   Bridgestone: MB-6

I'm looking for a bike that will last me a few years (2-3?), and still
retain some resale value in case I get hooked and want to upgrade.

E-mail is preferred.  I'm planning on buying this Saturday during the
local "super sales".  Thanks!   ...Joakim
--
Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 110 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
                 "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"
From: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: flat states (was Re: centuries)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

For you trivia buffs:

The flattest state in the U.S. is Florida.

--
Steve Losen                     scl@virginia.edu

University of Virginia Academic Computing Center
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: warren@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (warren, rob)
Subject: RAAM Update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: warren@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:48:39 GMT

The 1992 edition of the Race Across AMerica left Irvine, Ca. over a four
day period beginning July 23.  The Women's division began on July 23,
followed by the Men's on July 24, Tandems on July 25, and Teams on July
26.  Following are brief discussions and some standings as of the RAAM
Report of Mon. July 27 at 9:00 AM, EDT.

Men's Division leader Rob Kish passed through time station #14 in 
Roswell, New Mexico at 6:16 AM, EDT.  He is 989 miles into the race,
and is averaging 15.4 MPH and 369 miles per day.  Below is a list of
most of the remaining Men's Division riders, and their "approximate" 
distance behind the leader.

             Men's Division
             --------------
#   Rider     Miles Behind
======================================================
1.  Kish                 7th RAAM, 1991 RAAM 2nd place
2.  Solon        1       1989 RAAM winner
3.  Forney      10       1990 and 1991 RAAM winner
4.  Kees        33
5.  Tatrai      84
6.  Kent        84
7.  Ward        86
8.  Vetterli   127
9.  Born       127        Top Rookie
10. Bowles     129
11. ???        130        Sorry, missed the name on the report
12. Stoneman   161
13. Black      171
14. Bond       183
15. Schwarz    183
16. Kross      202
17. Courtney   241
18. Thomas     285
19. Davies     320
20. McFall     354


In the Women's Division, Seana Hogan continues to dominate the field.
Seana passed through time station #16 in Plains, Texas at 6:48 AM, EDT.
She is 1092 miles into the race, and is averaging 12.3 MPH and 295 miles 
per day.  Below is a list of the remaining Women's Division riders, and 
their "approximate" distance behind the leader.

                   Women's Division
                   -----------------
#    Rider       Miles Behind
==========================================
1.   Hogan
2.   Turner       178
3.   Allison      217
4.   Regan        282


For current updates, call the RAAM Update number at 1-900-454-BIKE.
The call costs $.95 per minute.
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Where Dave Harvey
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:39:05 GMT
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In <1992Jul24.144601.18848@megatek.uucp> rstewart@ganglia.megatek.uucp (Rich Stewart) writes:

>For all of you wonder where the *real* Dave Harvey is this year:

>General Classification [No change]
>(a l'issue de la 18eme etape)

>1.  Indurain M. (BAN)           89h 56' 25"
>2.  Chiappucci C. (CAR)              1' 42"
>3.  Hampsten A. (MOT)                8'  7"
>4.  Lino P. (RMO)                    9' 22"
>5.  Bugno G. (GAT)                  10'  9"
>6.  Delgado P. (BAN)                11' 50"
>7.  Breukink E. (PDM)               15' 54"
>8.  Perini G. (CAR)                 15' 56"
>9.  Roche S. (CAR)                  17' 12"
>10. Vona F. (GBM)                   19' 22"
>11. Heppner J. (TEL)                20'  1"

>..

>21. Alcala R. (PDM)                 26' 16"
>24. Fignon L. (GAT)                 37' 22"
>40. Kelly S. (FES)               1h 11' 42"
>129. Manders H. (HEV)            3h 47' 45"
>130. Quevedo F. (AMA)            4h  1' 27"
>131. Harvey D. (BARK)           32h 10' 10"
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>(I wonder if he can make up the time in the ITT?)

His problem is probably that he's barking forwards.  If he only turned
his seat around, with the thrust from the bark he might be able to
make up time on Indurain.
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:34:21 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Jul20.142034.9588@cs.tulane.edu> Jeff E Mandel <mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu> writes:
>
>My only question about Barry Tompkins is, does he write his own material? I'd
>hate to think that a professional writer might be responsible for his 3 reasons
>to ride to L'Alpe de Huez.

Actually, Barry was wrong in saying that there were only 3 reasons. there
is a fourth one:

- I would want to ride to the top of  L'Alpe de Huez because I want to
avoid talking to idiots and know that Barry Topkins is afraid of heights
and will not folow me there.

Employer may disagree
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:58:06 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 
as somebody pointed out, world championship rr will take place at
benidorm, not barcelona, as i mistakenly wrote. it will also pass
through a place called finestrat.

aaron
From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: indoor trainers
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I am considering purchasing an indoor trainer for the cold Iowa
winter months. What features should I be watching for? Any particular
models you can recommend? How much should I expect to spend?

I am not a racing type, I just want to stay in shape during the months
I can't get out on the road.

Also, I live in a small crowded apartment, so both noise and space
(in addition to $$$ of course) are a consideration.

Thanks in advance!

Esmail
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LEMOND BASHERS?
Date: 25 Jul 1992 05:10:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <1992Jul24.072650.16418@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.093645.7689@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>|> This year, he has ridden
>|> the Tour de Trump (and won), the Giro (top 5 placing),
>
>No wonder he's tired, The Giro and the Tour of Switzerland in one year must be really hard work.
>

Greg LeMond has not ridden the Tour DuPont and the Giro in 1992, neither
has he ridden the Giro and the Tour of Switzerland in 1992.  He has
ridden the Tour DuPont, the Dauphine Libiere and the Tour of Switzerland
which is impressive but rather normal Tour de France preparation..

BTW, I was most impressed with his Tour de France(TIOOYK) preparation
in 1986.  In that year he road the Giro(placing 4th with a very weak team),
2 days after the Giro finished he started the Tour of Switzerland and
finished 3rd, a week later he rode the Tour de France and won!

Bruce

ps - Andy Hampsten, Mr. L'Alpe D'Huez, was top five in the 1992 Giro.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: black-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Black)
Subject: Re: Car Mounts
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:06:43 GMT


Regarding "Rola" roof racks for a Taurus: the latest Nashbar catalog
has a clearance sale on these for $65.00. 

This is not an endorsement (just a public service :-)).  I have no
idea whether or not they are any good.  

Michael Black
black@cs.yale.edu
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trailors for Kids
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:56:59 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

Nanette Salvaggio writes:

$ I have a 9 month old and would like to purchase a trailor to put
$ him in.  I have looked at several brands and was wondering if
$ anyone has used them, how they liked them, and how old were
$ your children when you put them in it.  We were
$ told it isn't a good idea until the child is one year old.
$ I know my son would love it now.

To which, Jobst Brandt writes:

$ I'm not sure what your transportation situation is but many of the trailers
$ used to haul infants in my area are primarily a demonstrative way of saying
$ "Baby on Board" as automotive people sometimes do with a yellow sign in the
$ window.  I think YOU will "love it now" more than your son but whether he
$ appreciates it or not is less the issue.

$ Those who do not use a car generally don't ask whether or not to get a
$ trailer since they usually have one already.  My comments are aimed at
$ whether you need a trailer to present your son to the public or are
$ augmenting your non-motorized vehicles.  There is a difference that is
$ often obvious to others that the parents are conspicuously parading around
$ town with their child.  Formerly this was done with an inordinately
$ lavish carriage with huge overlapping wheels, adjustable parasol of lace,
$ gauze netting and a commensurate wardrobe for the parents.  You might
$ consider this aspect lest you unwittingly play such a role.  I realize
$ that bicycling is currently in the "look at me" phase with its garish
$ apparel and neon colored equipment.  Only a thought...

It looks as if Jobst jumped to assume the worst.  I take my daughter in
a trailer not to get attention but despite all the attention it gets.
It serves two purposes simultaneously.  I get to have my fun riding,
and she gets a trip to the park or whatever.  Sometimes, I have an
errand to run and my daughter just wants to tag along.  My choice is to
use the car or the bicycle.  We both like the bike better.

I do have to make some effort to avoid the admiration my daughter and
trailer get.  Mostly, it involves noting the exact moment the barrage
of questions is about to begin and then leaving quickly.  Trailers are
apparently much less common in New Jersey than in California.

To answer Nanette's question, my daughter started riding in the trailer
at eight months.  To keep her comfortable for the first few months, I
strapped her car seat in the trailer.  She is now three and a half
years old and still enjoys the trailer quite well.  I do too, because
it is a time spent only between her and me, without her mother or baby
sister.  These trailers can also be practical for transportation.  The
Burley and Equinox brands (and maybe some others) have huge
capacities.  Mine can hold two kids in the passenger side and lots of
baggage in the other side.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Riding with a cold
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:20:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Your body does _not_ learn to work with less oxygen. You
simply are limited in performance to your VO2 max.

While it is probably rare, a viral infection such as a
cold can spread to your heart and cause a hell of a lot 
more problems than simple scarring. The advice I've seen
was to avoid strenuous exercise if your lungs are involved in
any infection.

Being tough while you're in good shape is one thing.

Pushing yourself to exhaustion when sick is stupid and counter-
productive.

Not to say that a nice easy ride can't do you some good. But
I always find a way to push myself on the easiest ride. So I
have to be very careful.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: salaries in the peloton
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:01:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul24.105135.10507@watson.ibm.com> ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas) writes:
>|> 
>    the facts do not support your assertion - count french and belgian
>    teams and compare with not so long ago. ditto for the italians.
>
This is certainly _not_ a way to judge the effects of salaries in
the major teams. Certainly there are fewer teams but that isn't
indicative of salaries on the major teams! It's a reflection
of the economic times and the relative importance of the sport
visa vi advertising. Let's face it, bicycle racing doesn't
advertise very well, while there are hundreds of ways of
capitalizing on soccer players (for one thing, the fans are
beer swilling, pus gutted, couch potatoes who consume vast quantities
of potato chips and fast food. Compare that with the health concious
bicycling crowd.)

>   american sports scene (are basebal or golf really sports?) is
>   obscene as far as salaries go.

Maybe you ought to read the salaries of Soccer players in 
Italy -- even the small un-important clubs!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:34:45 GMT

One pump I haven't seen mentioned is the Specialized floor pump.  It
basically is a modified Silca floor pump.  I've had mine for over three
years and a minor problem was fixed, it has worked perfectly.  (The stop
valve was inserted backwards, so the air would come back out of the
tire.)  Like the Silca it uses a leather plunger, just oil it once a
year and it works fine.  The chuck is a reversible Presta/Schraeder so
you can't loose the pieces, and the pressure gage (non-resevior (sp?))
is very accurate.  I've found that it works great for my racing wheels,
even to very high pressures (140psi +) but takes a bit more work to get
the MTB knobbies inflated.

Aragorn
-- 
***seanodon@ecn.purdue.edu***********************************************
*  Man-in-Black: "You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put 	*
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Newsgroups: sco.forsale,ba.market,rec.bicycles
From: sharonl@sco.COM (B. Baggins, at your service.)
Subject: Cycling Shoes For Sale
Organization: Society of Corrupt Optimums
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:40:02 GMT



2 pr. Sidi racing shoes.
  never worn.
  complete with original boxes & operating instructions.
  white with blue straps.
  size 42 1/2
  $75 pr.  obo

Respond to this account or call 408-427-3356

-- 
"i'll just wander over to soc.singles, impersonate a Nice Guy, and
start a date-rape thread."          -timr@sco.COM
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Results of Grundig World Cup at Mammoth?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:48:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


An interesting note was the course record breaking downhill performance
of Jimmy Deaton on a full-suspended YETI. I think this is the first time
a bike with front AND rear suspension has given such a performance.

  --scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law)
Subject: Rims - Araya, Bulging (was Re: Question: wheel rebuilding)
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:52:41 GMT

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Jonathan Dodd writes:

>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARRYA? (or however you spell it) - I only yesterday
>> bought a new rim of that brand,  lightweight and semi-aero,  with a good price
>> tag by New Zealand standards.  I know they're not the best,  but the worst???

>Sorry to leave a dangling recommendation against a rim like that.  I have not
>used these rims but I hear a consistent complaint that tires blow off these
>rims both from users and some bike shop employees.  I have no better
>information than that.  I don't know what tires, tubes, or rim strip.
>Therefore, let me say it is hearsay and you had best ask satisfied users
>about their experience.  Maybe others who have used these rims can fill in
>here.  For myself, I have heard enough believable scenarios of failures to
>not want to make experiments.  I don't believe it is a conspiracy generated
>by Mavic or Campagnolo.

>I think this is worth pursuing so that Arrya doesn't end up short from third
>hand stories.  If you have other information please let's hear it.

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Just a few data points...

I have 2 sets of wheels for my touring bike, both with Araya rims. I haven't
experienced any of these problems. These are about 12 and 8 years old
and have done lots of miles on them. (Total ~100,000km). They are both
27" clinchers. Can't recall the model numbers. One's slightly wider than
the other.

I've had Araya rims on my mountain bikes. The only problem I've had was
with a couple of RM-20's which were uneven at the seam so they caught the
brakes a bit on each revolution.

One friend had Arayas on his mountain bike and rode them until the sidewalls
started caving in from wear from the brakes! Not sure if had any other
"problems".


Speaking of rims, two friends have experienced this problem:

Mountain bike rims, one Rigida, other Avenir. When tyre inflated to a high
pressure ( >50psi), the rims have bulged at the sides. Let the tyre down
and the rim returns to normal. The bulging rim catches the brakes making
braking less effective.

Anyone else seen this? Only solution seems to replace the rim.

Steve Law