HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: RFD:  alt.tv.talk, alt.tv.mtv
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:59:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config,rec.arts.tv

Rather than creating a new alt group for every TV show that comes down the
pike, why doesn't someone start the RFD process to split the existing
rec.arts.tv up. We already have a rec.arts.tv.soaps and rec.arts.tv.uk so
a rec.arts.tv.talk-shows would be appropriate. There was an RFD to split
RAT into a RAT.current and a RAT.nostolgia. MTV and the like could fit into
rec.video.cable-tv or perhaps RAT.cable. I am cross-posting this into the
rec.arts.tv group to see if there is any interest. I am not posting to 
news.groups yet since I do not think the proposal is near enough to that stage.

[Note to rec.arts.tv readers; the baseline article concerned a proposal to 
create an alt.tv.talk for talk-show issues and a alt.tb.mtv (self-explanatory)]


-- 
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                                           Houston, Texas 77030
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YESSS!!!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:59:51 GMT

 
A big BTW: please remove alt.rave from the newsgroups line in subsequent
discussions.
 
In article <1992Aug15.140751.27047@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
 
>
>umm Breakbeat Techno, Ragga Techno, Ambient Techno (alt.r-&-s ?)
>:)
 
techno.ralf-und-florian? :)
 
>>> I say let's start an alt.music.techno group and go from there.
>>> --Eric
>
>>I fully support this idea! Currently the only techno news around is on
>>alt.rave. ...
...
>But techno, like it or not, encompasses all those things listed above, and
>probably more.  The days of easy pigeonholing are long gone; there is
>so much crossover happening in such short periods of time that we either
>have to have one general "alt.music.techno" or none at all, IMHO.  Look
 
Yes. No need to be seperatist at this point.
 
Just to add my $0.02, I'm more interested in the music aspect than the
party aspect, but I wouldn't flame anyone for discussing a techno rave
in alt.music.techno. Just no "moshing" threads please! :) :) :)
 
In general, most of the response I've seen here (alt.config) and in email
is positive - extreme in some cases, but positive!
 
--Eric
Xref: sparky alt.config:5150 alt.dreams:2896 alt.paranormal:2118 alt.oobe:92 alt.consciousness:404
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.oobe,alt.consciousness
Subject: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:18:04 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

the discussion seems to have ended, so...
if no one has any objections, i move we get this road on the show.
Gary has offered to collect votes, but i will do it unless he or someone else
really wanted to.
here are the choices.  vote for the one or ones you think are most appropriate 
for the discussion of out-of-body experiences.  in the event of
a tie or a close race (i'll post the results and people can decide what
constitues a close race) we'll have another vote between the frontrunners.  if
anyone has a problem with any aspect of the way this vote is being held, let
her or him speak before TUESDAY, which is when i will announce the opening of
the voting period, to end on the following TUESDAY.  again, here are the
choices:

A: alt.consciousness
B: alt.consciousness.altered-states
C: alt.consciousness.out-of-body
D: alt.dreams
E: alt.paranormal
F: alt.paranormal.out-of-body
G: alt.out-of-body

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: alt.mult-sclerosis, where are you?
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:47:38 GMT

bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>What happened to alt.mult-sclerosis?

Good question ... after all that discussion about The Right Name, we
never received a newgroup for it.  :(

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Xref: sparky alt.config:5204 alt.rave:2404 rec.music.industrial:9497
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:49:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <16846125C2.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>The rave group is for party people, the techno group would be for music
>people. I belong to the latter.

I would say that the traffic is not so overwhelming as to deny BOTH camps
their own space in alt.rave.  I have gotten some great leads on all kinds
of info, from singles to shows/raves to people making the music just reading
one group.  To split it would be silly and counterproductive.

>>Bzzt.  If the music is an integral part of the rave experience, as it is, then
>>it should be discussed on alt.rave, or else alt.rave will digress into all the
>>other rave non-music topics...
>So? I'd rather just discuss techno and not worry about how it fits into
>the rave experience.

So discuss it in the existing group then.  I sure as hell won't be trying
to stop you.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                            plant ice, harvest wind
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:23:05 GMT

In article <vsdy6sg@rpi.edu> multics@acm.rpi.edu (Multics) writes:
>I haven't seen any traffic in any of the alt.uu.* groups in over a week.
>Is there some problem or posting I missed that would explain this?

     Yes, the problem is that UU exists only in the minds of
about 3 people.

     I'll probably regret having said that.

--Jamie.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YESSS!!!
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:07:35 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <Ztc-dQ=@engin.umich.edu>
malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin) writes:
 
>In article <15AUG199216063068@rosie.uh.edu> st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square) writes:
>>Exactly!  The difference between rave and techno is that rave *IS* techno, but
>>with an attitude of PEACE and UNITY!  Techno is just a general term for
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>ANYTHING relating to technology, which in this case would be music technology
 
>I would say that within this discussion, "techno" is not a well-defined term.
>When I use the term, I have something very specific in mind.  I would imagine
>that this holds true for a good deal of people who have been listening to the
>electronic dance music created in Detroit for the last 11 years.  If rave is
>in fact techno, then it relates to its origins as metal does to rock and roll.
 
Agreed.
 
It's funny, but the only negative response seems to be the same "but there
already *is* an alt.rave" which is funny to me cuz I see techno music
being what they play at raves but not defined as rave by any stretch of
the imagination. There's some new compilation called "this is techno" out
on cd from Belgium--when I saw it, my first thought was "no it isn't".
 
But yeah, as you mention the 2 are related. Good analogy! ;-)
 
>I would be the last to put "rave" and "techno" in the same category.
 
>>So kick out those elitists, separatists, or whatever.  Rave is only for the
>>people who wish to unite for peace and a better world...which we all live in.
 
>I think the attitude has a lot to do with the difference.  I don't know if
>Kraftwerk was driven by a "wish to unite for peace", but "uniting" was not
>a common theme around Metro Detroit in the 1980's.  I think (or hope, at
 
Speaking as a Detroiter who was there, I can vouch for this *bigtime*!
 
>least) that the original proposal was for a group which dealt with techno
>and electronic dance MUSIC, and not any SCENE.  A lot of the traffic on
>alt.rave deals with the rave scene.
 
Thus the name alt.MUSIC.techno (my emphasis)
I also like the idea of it being for producers and consumers of the music.
That would certainly emphasize the difference between a.m.t and alt.rave.
 
>A techno mailing list may be more appropriate.  After all, we are "elistists,
>separatists, or whatever" :-)
 
Yeah, except I hate getting mail all the time.
How do I subscribe to bpm? ;-)
 
>        -curt
>| -+- + + +- -+. |   "Life is incomplete unless you bang the beat"       /
 
--Eric
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 15 Aug 1992 18:42:08 EDT
From: <DMPQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Alt.Tv.BullWinkle

How do we go about creating this group?
If anyone knows...please let me or the person in charge to do it..
From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:56:11 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
[let's have another alt.rave by another name]

There's no need.
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:05:53 GMT

Initially I thought there was a good point in that the traffic on alt.rave
doesn't warrant the creation of a new newsgroup, but it just occurred to me
that this is just the summer traffic we're looking at now... all the kids
haven't come back to school yet.  I'm sure traffic will double as people
start getting their accounts back and new people come onto the net.

Just a thought.
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
From: navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: How does Alt.Bloom-County sound?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:13:03 GMT
Organization: Boston University

How would people feel about an alt.bloom-county group?  It would be devoted to
the adoration and discussion of the late Bloom County Strip and related works.
I don't _think_ there's anything out there which would be appropriate for
this kind of discussion, although if anyone has any suggestions/corrections,
please tell me!

						Thanks,

						Dipesh
						(navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu)



Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: suggestion for alt.religion.computers.assembler
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.110338.1124@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>Given the appearance Yet Again of the Charles Lasner vs Everybody else
>assembler discussion (aka "assembler is better than
>C/Pascal/Forth/Basic/Intercal" "is not" "is too" "is not") in
>alt.folklore.computers I will send out newgrps tomorrow for
>alt.religion.computers.assembler, barring any suggestions in the meantime
>for a better name.

how about
alt.religion.meticulous.codewriters.assemblers

and

alt.religion.sloppy.codewriters.hll

Or else we need subgroups like

alt.religion.computers.assembler.PDP8
alt.religion.computers.assembler.MASM
alt.religion.computers.assembler.TASM
alt.religion.computers.assembler.68K
alt.religion.computers.assembler.MACRO10
alt.religion.computers.assembler.MACRO11
alt.religion.computers.assembler.LAP

and a few more :-).

cjl
Xref: sparky alt.config:5267 alt.uu.future:217
From: cudep@warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.uu.future
Subject: Re: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:11:04 GMT
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn

In article <kndpbtxj@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.215054.5893@javelin.sim.es.com>,
>pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>>			  I'm not wearing any pants.
>You've made mine, because pants over here doesn't mean what it means
>over there!
>I know that humour is often in the mind of the person who thinks it is
>funny, but why is the concept of a Usenet University scarf so funny?
>Maybe wearing one is a fun thing to do?

Maybe if it's the only thing you're wearing.

Cheers,
-- 
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/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/                 the
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YESSS!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:06:00 GMT

In article <16844A8C5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes...
> 
>A big BTW: please remove alt.rave from the newsgroups line in subsequent
>discussions.
> 
>In article <1992Aug15.140751.27047@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> 
>Yes. No need to be seperatist at this point.
> 
>Just to add my $0.02, I'm more interested in the music aspect than the
>party aspect, but I wouldn't flame anyone for discussing a techno rave
>in alt.music.techno. Just no "moshing" threads please! :) :) :)
> 
>In general, most of the response I've seen here (alt.config) and in email
>is positive - extreme in some cases, but positive!
> 
>--Eric

Exactly!  The difference between rave and techno is that rave *IS* techno, but
with an attitude of PEACE and UNITY!  Techno is just a general term for 
ANYTHING relating to technology, which in this case would be music technology
(electronics in music, musicians using electronic technology to make music,
 electronics using musicians to make music (such as 242, who admit they aren't
 really musicians) :) ).

So kick out those elitists, separatists, or whatever.  Rave is only for the
people who wish to unite for peace and a better world...which we all live in.

(Is this what you mean by "positive - extreme," Eric?  :)


  "ravestock" - an awesome concept!
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:28:16 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
 >Try using either rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.tv.uk or rec.arts.sf.tv, all of which
 >would work rather than another group about a specific tv series. There already
 >is a newsgroup for this subject, it just happens to include other subjects

We already have alt.tv.antagonists, alt.tv.muppets, alt.tv.prisoner,
alt.tv.simpsons, alt.tv.tiny-toon, alt.tv.twin-peaks, et al.

But because Blakes 7 is a *UK* (ie. non-US) show, the person who proposed
it is told:  "oh, it belongs in rec.arts.tv.uk".  Like the existing
alt.tv.* groups don't belong in rec.arts.tv, or somewhere else.
Or like all of comp.* doesn't belong in comp.misc.

Carasso can use the alt namespace for his neat-o racist "humor",
and other nerds can use the alt namespace for their own unfortunate
attempts at "humor".  So do whatever you want.


--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
 $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J  
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: karl@ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer)
Subject: Re: proposel for alt.politics.putting.people.first (moderated)
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:24:47 GMT

In article <swood.714242962@vela> swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) writes:
>I am currently starting a Putting People First group in my area

I suggest that alt.org.people-first would be a better name.
Xref: sparky alt.config:5270 alt.good.news:845 alt.flame:12228
From: s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu (JAC)
Subject: Re: Proposal for: alt.vampires -- Yes 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu
Organization: Fort Lewis College
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:00:00 GMT

I think this is a great (terrific) idea.  I know that there are many
topics that are pertininent to the subject of vampires that are not
encompassed by other available groups, e.g. alt.horror, gothic, etc.
For example, discussion of modern day vampirism, vamp culture, occultic
and supernatural events as pertinent to the subject of vampirism, vamp
literature, art, this list goes on.  I have in mind a number of topics,
that I have been meaning to discuss on usenet, however have not felt
quite right in posting them to other available groups due to
their vampire specific content.  In other words does anyone in alt.horror
really want to discuss vamp-culture with me???  I think that 
alt.vampires is a great Idea.


John Cairns
s12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu

Xref: sparky alt.config:5196 soc.men:15094
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.men
Subject: Alt.feminism
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:36:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.4855
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Recently I was asked by one of my customers to create "alt.feminism" on our
news server.  I pointed out to my customer that there was already a group
for feminist issues, but that this group is moderated.

My customer then e-mailed me the comments of a discussion going on in soc.men
about the "soc.feminism" newsgroup.  From this discussion, it appears to me
that an unmoderated group for discussion of feminist issues is warranted.

One of the benefits of such a group would be that articles that are rejected
from the moderated group would have a legitimate home, rather than being
posted to only semi-related groups such as soc.men and soc.women.  Other
benefits would be a true debate of the issues.  Readers of the moderated
newsgroup would not be affected.

In brief, I posted to soc.men that I would be happy to bring this matter to
alt.config (which is the proper place to discuss new alt groups) if
interested parties would put together a simple charter for the group.

So, after about a week, the e-mail has stopped and this charter has emerged:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Proposed charter:

Alt.feminism is an unmoderated group for the discussion of feminism and
issues relating to feminism.

All views, pro, anti, or in-between are welcomed, as this is intended to be a
discussion group.  Posters are encouraged to stick to issues (as opposed
to flames), however.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think this is a fairly straight forward charter.  If anyone has input on
this group please post to alt.config.

Thanks,
Terry
From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal for: alt.vampyres   
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:02:36 PDT

I would like to propose the new group: alt.vampyres

It has been suggested by a valued user of The CyberDen and I think
it would be a great new group. Here is what she has to say about it:

<X>orcist

> From: jwlhyfer (Jwlhyfer de Winter)
> Comments: "Whoever ventures too far into the land of phantoms is lost!"
>
> I accept all offerings to the goddess Morphina and others who are our
> muse in this funerary undertaking..
>
> Re:Alt.Vampyres..It seems to exist on my computer when I log in to the
> Cyberden,,How can this be?
>
> Anyway..The idea is a forum purely for those fascinated, inspired,
> obsessed, etc. with the subject of Vampyres specifically..The reason I
> requested it seperately from Alt.Horror is/are that a.alt.horror is often
> clogged up for miles with useless boring Steven King trivia, and b.that
> the subject is huge,vaste, and timeless,and could easily support a
> newsgoup of its own..I mentioned it on several messages to people,who
> were very interested in knowing how to get into it.An awful lot of people
> compose poetry,fiction,etc. on the subject,this could be a place for it
> to be seen and really appreciated by other simarlarly obsessed
> individuals..I think the audience is out there,but they don't know how to
> access it..
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.uu.future
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:50:54 GMT

esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:

>For example, I suggested early on that we design a Usenet University
>scarf. This suggestion, made in good faith, was criticised as something
>of external form before getting internal content. So, my idea was lost.
>I genuinely feel that, had people designed a scarf and interested people
>had each gone out and bought some cloth and made a Usenet University scarf
>and worn it as winter arrives, then the sense of camaraderie would have
>assisted the learning process.

This is the funniest thing I've read all week.  I don't know about you folks,
but I WANT my UseNet University SCARF!
-- 
			  I'm not wearing any pants.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YES!!!
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:12:44 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


> IMO, alt.music.techno would attract a much different crowd than alt.rave.

Perhaps those who would rather read a newsgroup without such an embarassing
name? (RAVE? What a stupid name)

I'm all for a techno newsgroup!


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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:06:14 GMT

Well I know _I_ am against the headaches of seeing another 6 months go by
and then finding out that because of some oversight, mistake, or misunderstanding
a new group is not going to be created, as well as being tired of hearing
all the crying on news.groups, etc. about how a new group is going to be
a real bother, etc.

So if anyone out there is seriously considering a B7 rec.* group - PLEASE
let's use the alt group for a year or two and then, if there are billions
of msgs and trillions of folks who cannot get it, we could then perhaps
consider something like alt.sca or the fax group or wais, or gopher or
one of the other dozen or two groups have done and see about getting a
'new' group.
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave