HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Date: 10 Apr 1992 02:21:03 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Here's a good one about the difference between liberals and conserva-
tives that I saw in the paper today :

Liberals are just conservatives that have been arrested.
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From: pierre@cs.UAlberta.CA (Pierre Honeyman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: SKIP
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:12:23 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer Western Kentucky University) writes:

>We have also done something similar to this.  What you do is squat down like
>you are a catcher and breath heavily until you get light headed.  You then
>stand up against a wall and have 1 or two people push hard against your chest
>until you pass out.  The trip ranges from a very intense ride to remembering
>nothing.  We call it "The Wall".
>-- 
>******************************************************************************
>*  Mike Shroyer                     What's the difference between Greeks     *
>*  Western Kentucky University       who all dress alike and non-conformists *
>*  shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet             who all dress alike                     *
>*  shroyer@wku.edu                                                           *
>******************************************************************************

I used to do this in Junior High School but I stopped when I started getting
intense headaches and a nasty sick feeling afterwards...
BTW try making a "suggestion" to one of your friends as they go down...
it can get quite humorous..

Pierre
From: honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Hofmann Foundation
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, Dept. of Info. & Comp. Sci.
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:45:34 GMT

 mt@mahler.media-lab.media.mit.edu (Michael Travers) writes:
>In article <8APR199200495733@romeo.caltech.edu> joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis) writes:
>
>
>   Does anyone know anything about the Hoffman Foundation?
>
>From their bulletin:
>
>"The purpose of the Albert Hoffman Foundation is to establish a library
>and world information center dedicated to the scientific study of
>human consciousness.  Our unique library, art gallery, and conference
>center houses an extensive collection of books, journals, research
>reports, and art."
>
>They have a catalog of psychedelic drug-related (excuse me,
>consciousness-related) books and videos, an irregularly published
>newsletter, and a bboard (the previous poster's number was not what I
>have, which is 310-315-0484, 1200/2400 baud, I haven't verified that
>it works myself).
>
>They seem worth supporting (despite my belief that the overuse of the
>word "consciousness" induces a lack of it).  Membership is $30 for
>normal people, $15 for students, and they will gladly accept more.
>
>The Albert Hoffman Foundation
>1725 21st Street
>Santa Monica, CA 90401
>(310) 281-8110


They're legit, I'm a member, they put out a newsletter, and host films and
speakers on relevent topics in the LA area.

--
David A. Honig

"Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat."

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: marijuana, alcohol and driving
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:41:25 GMT

In article <ktpepsINN63a@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, etheridg@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Jennifer Etheridge) writes:
>My husband was talking to his mother (a nurse) about marijuana
>last night. She told him that she didn't think marijuana should
>be legalized because "we don't need another drug that will cause
>auto accidents." How would you folks respond to this? (I don't
>personally think this is true but I don't feel I have much support

I actually think marijauna is detrimental to driving skills, but nowhere
near as bad as alcohol.  And marijuana wears off faster.

>for my opinion.) She then went on to say that she thinks alcohol
>should remain legal because "we tried once to outlaw it and it
>didn't work." How would you guys respond to this?

Does she think the War on Some Drugs is working?  It isn't.

>the road while intoxicated? He said, "Sure, it sounds good. But
>how would you enforce dui laws? How would a cop know when someone
>was stoned?" How would you folks respond to this?

Impairment testing. 

>It seems to me that this is the one argument we will have the hardest
>time winning. Most people believe that legalizing drugs will increase, 
>probably dramatically, the number of deaths due to auto accidents 
>involving intoxicated drivers. Does anyone have any ideas about how 
>to argue effectively against this theory?

Here's something you can try yourself.  Get stoned.  Get your husband drunk. 
Play tennis (you may have to recruit someone who is straight to keep score). 
The next day, switch drugs and do the same thing.  See which drug screws up
your coordination and reaction time more.

>I used to be staunchly opposed to all drug use and thought that 
>the laws were quite reasonable. Obviously, my opinion has changed.
>But what was it that changed my opinion? I'm not sure. Of those
>of you who were formerly drug warriors, what changed your opinion?

OK, time for me to come out of the closet.  At one time, I opposed illegal
drug use.  Then I was thrown into a living situation with a stoner.  I
discovered he was not some fiend who had to have his drug all the time
(unlike most tobacco smokers).  He was not destructive when stoned (unlike
many drunks).  My own personal "drug myths" were shattered one by one.  I
eventually came around to the legalization camp.  

The surest way to convince somebody that drugs will not ruin every user's
life is to show them a drug user they know and love who is a productive
citizen.  Take Judge Ginsberg, for example...

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
Darryl Gates, George Bush's "ideal police officer", thinks Clarence Thomas, 
a former casual drug user, should have been shot long ago.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:28:21 GMT

rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:
>: Unfortunately, I see a period of effective fascism before this happens
>: (and possibly a revolution).
>: 
>: josh

>Josh, How's about some good old fashioned civil disobedience.  It's worked
>before.  We aren't still in Viet Nam any more. There do be a price though.
>Do be, DO BE, doobie.

sorry, I am far too cowardly to put my personal ass on the line. I 
hope to not be in the united states if/when things get like I am
fairly sure they will get.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:45:13 GMT

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>Currently illegal Drugs *will* be legalized. It will happen when the
>government, having buried itself in deficits, realizes that its cash
>flow position will improve if they start taxing drug sales and stop
>pouring money down a rathole prosecuting and imprisoning people who
>engage in drug use.

lots of people have good jobs from drugs being illegal; and there is
a large group of people making money from the trade. these two things
(the police and organized crime bureaucracies (if the latter can be so
referred to)) are the biggest obstacles to the legalization of all drugs.
there is an alternative to the legalization of drugs; a more or less
totalitarian state. I agree that drugs will eventually be legalized.
Unfortunately, I see a period of effective fascism before this happens
(and possibly a revolution).

josh
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7806 talk.politics.drugs:3001 alt.society.civil-liberty:3521
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:52:09 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr13.122339.13721@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.195034.21409@Cadence.COM>, phz@cadence (Pete Zakel) writes:
>>I agree, it is very, very bad law, very, very bad legal precedent, and very,
>>very bad justice.
> [...]
> What other checks and balances there are which might be used in this
> particular failure mode of the system?  It seems that as the system is
> malfunctioning in other places also you're in a bit of a hurry before
> all the checks and balances will be ignored much the same way the IV
> and V amendments are by the civil forfeiture - if the system continues
> to have these numerous malfunctions it probably will crash soon and
> it'll need to be rebooted much the same way it was first created.
> 
> //Jyrki

The rebooting seems a depressingly longway off.
It surprises me that with all the hardware available in the US, that some
user(s) do not contemplate deleting from the system some of the errant
software components.

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7443 talk.politics.drugs:2832
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Air Force uses uppers ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:11:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Elvis lives! As a consultant to the Air Force no less.  His years of
research on this method of improving effectiveness, at great personal
expense, are at last paying off.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:30:17 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

In article <1992Apr5.120836.23669@muddcs.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:

>You will almost certainly disagree with something, but ask yourself whether
>you're closer to Marrou/Lord or to Clinton.  (George Bush is left as an
>exercise for the reader...)  

     I think it's also important to consider the impact of your vote.
As far as I'm concerned, Bush absolutely positively must go - he thinks
I shouldn't be a citizen because I'm an atheist, he's lied to us
about taxes, he violated international and Constitutional law with
his invasion of Panama...the list goes on and on. If the race is close
in November, I'll throw my vote to whoever the Democrats pick (barring
some revalation that Clinton is even worse than Bush, and that would
be really, really hard to to.) If it doesn't look close, I might
vote Marrou/Lord; or if NOW gets it's 21st Century party together,
maybve I'll vote for them. (I got their 800 number from C-SPAN during
the pro-choice march yesterday; I'm going to get more info, esp.
wrt drug policy. Maybe we can remind them about the _other_ laws that
take away one's control of one's own body...)

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@flubber.cs.umd.edu| "Born to die" | Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
          This is a .signature antibody. Vaccinate your .sig!
Weinberg's Second Law:
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs,
      then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy
      civilization.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder drug
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 04:23:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

"debilitating for a day or more"  This stuff sounds great! ;-)
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: 901185g@aucs.acadiau.ca (Scottie Goodwin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Hash brownies
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:19:18 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

I've heard of mj brownies but never seen too much about hash ones.  I assume
that hash is just as bakeable as weed and I prefer it so if anyone has a 
brownie, cake, cookie, whatever recipe for hash could you please post/mail
me it?  I'm interested in any methods that allow one to ingest the drug as
I've never tried this and I'm a non-tabaco-smoker so I find the smoke
annoying.  Thanks in advance to any replies.

				-Scott

ps I find preparing a decent bowl of Rice Crispies fairly challenging so 
please be as descriptive as possible in your recipees.
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: marijuana, alcohol and driving
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:50:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.223028.27036@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> app45293@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ZUSS) writes:
>etheridg@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Jennifer Etheridge) writes:
>
>>I know this issue has been brought up before but...
>
>>My husband was talking to his mother (a nurse) about marijuana
>>last night. She told him that she didn't think marijuana should
>>be legalized because "we don't need another drug that will cause
>>auto accidents." 

I responded to Jennifer in mail, but thought I might also mention this to the
net.  In _Marijuana Medical Papers_, (editted by Tod Mikuriya who occasionally
posts to the net) there is a study that compared the driving of sober people,
people who were drunk, and people who were stoned.  People who were drunk,
of course, scored significantly worse than the other two groups.  People who
were high drove actually quite well.  (if I remember right, actually BETTER
than the group of sober drivers, in the first trial.)

If I get a chance, I'll post parts of that study.  (or at least give a more
formal reference.)

-marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu






Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: msm@vpnet.chi.il.us (Matthew S. Minogue)
Subject: The Great Fungus
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 04:08:43 GMT


Recently CNN posted a brief report from the Upper Pennensula of Mich.,
about a large, 10,000 year old, 34-acre large fungus that someone had
chanced upon.

Does anyone have any information?
Has anyone eaten it?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: politics...shrooms...and oxygen
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:22:00 GMT

speaking of that judge who advocated legalization. It seems interesting 
... that people who use pot are supposed to be violent law breakers who 
use intimidation and fear to maintain silence yet who is breaking the law 
of the land and using fear and intimidation to maintain silence ,the 
assorted law enforcement agencies thats who! repeated violation of our 
rights and just like criminals these extralegal officials fear the truth 
and fear a citizenry united in seeking the truth...on to the next stuff 
thats good to know about shrooms in florida ...finally theyll probably 
ban oxygen if they can find a non-enjoyable susbstitute (ha ha!)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Legal Cocaine? (WAS Re: Drug legalization)
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:52:39 GMT

phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
: 
: Or maybe we should start quoting advertising slogans.  One that was used for
: Coca-Cola back when it had cocaine (instead of the caffeine that now replaces
: it) is:
: 
: 	The pause that refreshes.

According to my references, Coca-Cola (contrary to popular belief) never had
more than a minute quantity of coca alkaloids in it.

Bill
From: 901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Question about growing weed
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:30:10 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


 I just have a simple question that involves polination.I've
read that if you polinate the female plant that the potential of
the leaf goes down considerably.Well,what if I were to polinate
one particular bud with the males polin and leave the rest for a toke
Would the other buds be affected by this.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7469 talk.politics.drugs:2845
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Hemp paper
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:19:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Apr9.165155.6528@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>

>>Not bogus.  Hemp is still grown for textiles in China (only place I
>>know of) and cloth and garments made from it are sold in the USA.
>
>...and so are the seeds!

The seeds are quite edible (hemp seed is supposed to have some
interesting nutritional advantages).  However, thanks to the miracles
of modern instrumentation technology, eating the seeds (which gives no
drug effect) will cause "detectable quantities" of metabolites in
uro-pharmacomancy (piss testing).

So if someone you secretly dislike is about to take a piss test, offer
the person some hemp seeds: "Aren't they tasty?  Like peanut butter...
Here, have some more...Don't they go great with poppy seed muffins?..."

:-)


   Alan T. Furman           |       Vote Libertarian--Marrou/Lord in '92
----------------------------+--------------------------------------------
   atfurman@cup.portal.com  |  Stamp out signature viruses!  Pass it on!
From: jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Day
Summary: the date to ride
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Keywords: Hoffman Bicycle LSD
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:56:34 GMT
Distribution: w

David A. Honig <honig@ics.uci.edu> sez:
> jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera) writes:
>>
>>Hey!  There's an important religious holiday to be celebrated
>>this Sunday, April 19th.  (And i'm not talking about Easter.)
>>
>>It's Bicycle Day, the day on which we remember & give thanks
>>to Dr. Albert Hoffman on the anniversary of his historic ride.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Actually it appears to be the 16th of April...

Actually, NOT.  Did you read the article you posted?...

>From :
>LSD - My Problem Child
>Albert Hofmann
>
>Quoted below is the entry for this experiment in my laboratory journal of
>April 19, 1943.
>
>Self-Experiments
>
>    4/19/43 16:20: 0.5 cc of 1/2 promil aqueous solution of diethylamide
>    tartrate orally = 0.25 mg tartrate. Taken diluted with about 10 cc
>    water. Tasteless.

...and then he went for his ride.

`jimb

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 01:29:36 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

Currently illegal Drugs *will* be legalized. It will happen when the
government, having buried itself in deficits, realizes that its cash
flow position will improve if they start taxing drug sales and stop
pouring money down a rathole prosecuting and imprisoning people who
engage in drug use.

This phenomenon has already occurred wrt gambling. 20 years ago the
government busted everyone caught gambling; now the government is the
biggest provider of gambling sports. Unfortunately it is killing the
golden goose by taking too much off the top.
-- 
David Feustel N9MYI, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805. (219)482-9631
= Candidate Bush wouldn't recognize principle if he were standing upon it =
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: FRAMED (or, "How Manny Spent His Summer Vacation")
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 08:22:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Watch out Gorby.  You're gonna be next for dealing that most pernicious
of all substances, freedom.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:49:46 GMT

In article <9=pjn6=.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>BTW I don' really like alt.heads but that's just a matter of taste. I'd
>prefer something like alt.altered or alt.perception or some such that
>won't drive away the more conservative folks who might drop in and find
>an interest.

While this is a nice possibility, group-naming etiquette is that the
name should be remotely comprehensible to J. Random flipping through
his newsrc.  "alt.head" isn't, I don't think.  Given my understanding
of the proposed group, I'd have to argue for alt.drugs.head; if it
would include discussion of non-chemical techniques we could move it
elsewhere.

>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: damico@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (bill d'Amico)
Subject: Re: Paul Hager -- candidate??
Summary: Paul should run for County Office.
Keywords: ballot access options
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:49:10 GMT

Indiana law won't allow new candidates to file for our primary May 5.
After the primary access to the ballot by the demopublicans is limited
to the county chairpeople filling vacancies. Third party access requires
a lot of signatures for national offices, and they have to be in by
circa July 15. Less signatures are required for county/state/local
offices, but it is still a difficult process getting a third party
candidate on the ballot here. I know, I got a third party candidate on
the ballot for mayor last year.

This year there are several county seats up for election, in addition to
congress, state representative, etc. Two of the three county
commissioners seats are open. Also three at large county council seats
are up. Two Judges are up for re-election, but you have to be admitted
to the bar to seek them. Unfortunately sheriff and prosecutor aren't up
until 1994.

I've been trying to find some people to run under the Independent Voters
Party name for both the commissioners seats and the at large seats. I
may have already found a candidate for Judge, but he's waffling. There
also has been  a bit of a local party activism on voter registration already,
from people that worked on the mayoral campaign last year. Many of these
people would help support an independent candidacy by Paul if he decided
to seek it. I also expect that readers of Paul's postings would also
help monetarily to some extant, and also possibly with additional
video/typesetting, etc services. HCRC members would also most likely
support Paul.

--
bill d'Amico                  | You've got to have a Cause to make
damico@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu | an Effect.  -- Dill Danno
Newsgroups: alt.drugs