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From: by303@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay L. Cross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Multistack menu(ing) question
Date: 4 Sep 1992 00:48:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hello, all.  I'm looking for some help with a multi-stack system
that uses similar menu structures and shares a common palette.
The difficulty lies in what to do with the custom menus and
palette on suspend and resume stack.  It seems to me that I've
got no way to know if the user has switched to another of "my"
stacks, or has gone Home or to some other stack.  Obviously, if
the user goes to another stack outside my stuff, the menus
should be reset and the palette closed.  Simple, but a bit
time consuming.  If the user switches to a stack within my
system, there is no need to reset the menubar or close the
palette.  But, with several different ways to "switch"
(clicking in a different stack's window, selecting it from
the Open dialog, or in the case of my stuff, selecting an-
other of the system stacks from the custom menu), I can't
figure out how to know prior to suspend stack (or close
stack in case the user closes one of my stacks) whether
to reset everything.  So, I always reset on suspend or
close, and "rebuild" on resume or open.  This takes about
6 or 7 seconds (while the user stares at the watch...).
 
Can anyone offer the right way to do this, while eliminating
the possibility of remnants of my menus/palette from hanging
around in an inappropriate stack?  Do any of the various
books cover this very well (Goodman's generally good book
is a real letdown in this area).
 
Thanks very much for any response.
 
Jay Cross
Cleveland FreeNet  by303
internet  by303@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: by303@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay L. Cross)
Subject: Finding flds under the clickLoc
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:59:37 GMT


I'm working on a stack with a background that has about 30
fields.  I've got a "Find" command in the works, and I'd like
the user to be able to click on a field, and have the name, ID,
or number of that field "read".  I don't what to look for a 
mouse click in each field.  I tried getting the clickChunk,
which returns info containing the field info, but if the user
later clicks on a button or other "non-field" area, this old
clickChunk remains (you can't put empty into the clickChunk).
 
So, how do I find out what field the mouse pointer is over?
I know I've read this on the net before, but I can't find the
message...
Reply, please, either to the group or to me.
Thanks very much.
 
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(by303@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu)   |  common sense."  A. Einstein |
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From: John_Miller@mindlink.bc.ca (John Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: question - vRefNum and hypercard
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:08:42 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Basically what I have is an explicit path to a directory and file
> on a HD and I would like to get the vRefNum which corresponds to
> this path so that I can pass to another application via
> an apple-event.
>
> Is there any undocumented, slick way of getting the vRefNum
> within hypercard without having to write a custom xcmd, etc..?
>
> Any comments concerning this would be appreciated.

Two comments

1)  If you pass 0 as vRefNum and the full pathname as
the filename, it stands a good chance of working.
Assuming it works, this approach fits in the
best with Apple's unfortunate compatibility
stand on parsing or creating full pathnames.  (You
are limited to pathnames of no more than
255 characters.)

2)  There is something strange about an application
that supports AppleEvents but that only supports
a vRefNum instead of a vRefNum and directory ID.
At best, you should be able to pass an alias
in the AppleEvent, but -- at the very least -- I
would expect that an application that has been
updated to support System 7 features should also
support the hierarchial file system that is
now six and half years old.  (Of course, Apple
should have introduced new Standard File calls
when HFS was introduced, and then most of these
problems would be behind us.)

John Miller
Symplex Systems
From: ymatsumo@sys.titech.ac.jp (Yasuhide Matsumoto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Icon Editor
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:31:38 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology, Yokohama, Japan.


I am now making CAI on HyperCard2.0 for Foreign Language Learning Tool.
I wanna know how to get the icon ID after making new icon by using
Icon Editor.(Maybe it is built in 2.0 uper).

I want the learners to make Icon by themselves. So I think that using
Icon Editor is maybe easy to make it. I created the script like this.

1 on mouseUp
2  ask " name of new icon?"
3  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
4  put it into new_icon
5  domenu "Icon Edit" <-------Sorry! I use HP2.0 for Japanese User.
6                              maybe it is in English system.
7  set the name of new icon to new_icon
8  get the id of new icon
9 end mouseUp

Of course, Now line 7 and 8 is comment out. I wanna make script like this.
I think I would make it by XCMD or XFCN, but I have little exprerience 
to use Think C and so on (Always HyperTalk).So somebody give me a Good idea
to make such script.

thank you.


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From: bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter)
Subject: Re: script hardcopies
Organization: Boise State University - CBI Product Development
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:06:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.115756.10594@waikato.ac.nz> ramorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.104338.20673@cs.hw.ac.uk>, aafloy@cs.hw.ac.uk (Hans
Aafloy) writes:
>> 
>> Is there an  e a s y  way to get listings of some of my sctipts ?
>> (  command-P only seem to print the card...)
>> 
>Could type do ps into the message box, this will print all scripts with a
>header saying which object it is from. It's also a good way to find "lost"
>hidden objects too...

You must have some sort of add-on that does this.  It is not a part of the
version of HyperCard I have and merely returns "Can't understand ps".

                                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             (208)385-1851@phone
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: miedreic@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Miedreich)
Subject: Re: Hiding the cursor
Originator: miedreic@sunpaul3.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:15:07 GMT


In article <87554@netnews.upenn.edu>, gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nathan Gasser ><>  ) writes:
|> 
|> In article <oosterho.715321240@lillee> oosterho@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Alexis Oosterhoff) writes:
|> >Hello there.
|> >
|> >If "hide menubar" hides the menubar, what hides the maouse pointer?
|> >
|> >Thanks very muchly
|> >`
|> >Alex.
|> 
|> 

Pictoids Utilities have a XCMD that lets you change the default cursor to
any cursor. ( I think a curs resource). the cursor will not change back to
the hand, even when the script terminates. Available from the usual sites,
but is a very large package.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: babb@ucselx.sdsu.edu (babb j)
Subject: Son of Playing a Sound Resource NOT in a Stack
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:04:15 GMT

A little more detail... I found a way of recording a sound and installing
it in a text file (Not an HC stack). Now I need to bring that resource 
online so that I can play it using the play command or play it using
some XCMD or XFCN that'll play a sound resource thats outside of a stack.
I do not want to:
  copy the resource to the stack then play it
  install the sound in an extra stack and "start using extra stack" and then
    play it.
Any suggestions? The whole point of this is to make 1 file and 1 file only
that is created by one stack and read by another. This file includes tons
of parameters, resources,picts, etc, that are created by the one stack
and used by the other, instead of tons of different files any of which could 
be separated from the other associated stuff. I wanna encapsulate all these 
things and also keep all these things hidden from the end user (no reason
to burden them with any extra junk).
TIA. Jeff.
-- 
Jeff Babb - Programmer/Technical Support - San Diego State University
Language Acquisition Resource Center (L.A.R.C.) (619)594-4475 
babb@ucsvax.sdsu.edu  
.."now go away or I shall taunt you a second time" M.P.& T.H.G.
From: KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: HC 2.1 "sort" command
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:06:33 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

BTW, has anyone else noticed what appears to be a bug in HC's sort?
I have found that when sorting the contents of a field, it sporadically
inserts an anomalous empty line into line 1 of the field.  So instead of
a sorted field of 100 lines, say, you end up with an empty line followed
by 100 sorted lines--101 lines in total.  Of course, you just have to check
for the empty line after every call to sort and delete it if found.  But
it's weird--doesn't seem to happen every time.  I called Claris a few weeks
back to tell them about this, was put on hold, then allowed to leave a msg
with a "promise" that they'd call me back in "no more than 4 hours".
Like I said, that was a few weeks ago.  They're obviously on a different
system of time than me.  So screw 'em--let them find their own bugs.

-Kurt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: hartley@centerline.com (Timm Hartley)
Subject: Help with retreiving clip art from HC
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: CenterLine Software
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:28:18 GMT

I recently aquired a hypercard stack of clip art. I can not for the life of
me figure out how to use this in a copy/paste manner. Is it even possible,
or am I just being dumb? (no flames on THAT note) :-)

email would be most preferable, seeing as I'm still cleaning up from
Monday's end of month crunch. Thanks!

       Timm Hartley I Production Assistant
CenterLine Software I hartley@centerline.com
      10 Fawcett St I "Back off man! Don't 
Cambridge, MA 02138 I make me use this!!"
                         -Ren Hoek-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: murdoch, WA, Australia (kywong@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au(Khoon Yoong Wong))
Subject: Re: re: finding fields with index
Organization: external studies, murdoch university
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 04:37:57 GMT


Thanks for people who responded to my problem about finding fields.
I solved it the following way:

on mouseUp
  select the clickLine
  put 1+word 2 of the clickLine into temp
  go to card temp
end mouseUp

The use of "whole" does not work.


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From: plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Message for Vladimir Butenko
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:49:18 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac

To Vladimir Butenko:
If you read this message, could you contact me by e-mail at the
following address:

plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au

I am still interested in acquiring a commercial version of ScanShare,
as soon as possible. I know it isn't distributed by your contact in 
the US, but I thought you could send me a copy directly throught the
mail if I sent you (them) payment in advance. Alternatively, you could tell
me how to get rid of the time limit on the demo version, if it's at
all feasible (using ResEdit for instance?).
I hope to read you soon.
Cheers from down under.
Patrick
From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: RE-Compression Software
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:13:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <715428049.F00004@blkcat.UUCP>,
Kaz.Karl@f1138.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Kaz Karl) wrote:
> 
> >>On other other hand, you can purchase StuffIt SpaceSaver which
> >>combines both the "automatic" mode of AutoDoubler, with the manual mode of
> >>DiskDoubler, plus simple archiving needs (Stuffing, UnStuffing, etc.) and
> >>more in a single package for only $59.95 (lite - mail order about $35). 
> 
> You should promote this product better...if I had known of it before I bought
> AutoDoubler, I certainly would have given Stuffit the benefit of the doubt if
> all other claims were equal...

It isn't a matter of promotion, just a classic example of being second to
the market. Salient got there first with AutoDoubler and picked up a lot of
market share, now Alladin is coming in with a new product and trying to
reclaim some of that share. Is it a better product? I don't know from
personal experience, and the various notes I've seen indicate that some
folks don't think so. Am I going to dump DD/AD, which I'm very happy with?
No. What am I going to recommend to others? DD/AD, with which I have
personal experience and have had good support for, or an untried (in my
experience) package. I think the answer is obvious.

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Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
From: bmueller@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Printing hangafter a time -- why?
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:07:20 CDT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin


I have a question for some printer/system gurus.

We have a heterogeneous network consisting of a lot of Macs, a Sun, and
a pc. The Macs all talk to a LaserWriter IINT through an EtherWrite
box (Compatible Systems). One Mac runs system 7; the remainder of the
Macs run system 6.0.8. The two Macs in question are A) a Classic with
4MB RAM and a SCSI box (Asante) to connect to our ethernet and B) an
SE/30 with 5MB RAM and ethernet card (also Asante). The system 7 Mac
was not even running today.

When the fellow with the SE/30 prints, he finally reaches a point when
the "little watch comes up" and no output issues from the LaserWriter.
The only cure for this is to restart his machine (after which he will
again reach this point within a number of print jobs). The Classic
seems to work just fine. The SE/30 owner tells me that this happens
with or without background printing on.

In examining the system folder of each, I note that the SE/30 owner has
AppleTalk v 57.0.3 and the classic has AppleTalk v 56. Do we need v 57.
0.3? Is this the cause of the problem? What do you suggest I do in this
case? Color Quickdraw is on both machines.

Thanks in advance.

                                           ...Bob Mueller
                                              bmueller@mis.mcw.edu

BTW - Yes! I used the INSTALLER in both cases!
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: High Density floppy drive in a Mac II?
Keywords: Doesn't work right...
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:43:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Aug26.184349.21307
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka) writes:

>>and would like to install a High Density drive in it.  When we put the HD
>>drive in, it refuses to read HD disks.  It has a Rev A motherboard in it,
>>so I'm assuming we need a ROM upgrade, right?  Or is there some other
>>way we can get the drive to work correctly?  If not, any idea how much
>>an upgrade should/will cost?  Thanks!!!!

>In order to use a SuperDrive in a Mac II one would have to purchase a
>ROM upgrade.  With the upgrade, one would get Mac IIx ROMs and the SWIM
                             :
>Another alternative if all you want is HD Ability, would be to look
>into Applied Engineerings Plus Drives or (Dayna?? There's at least one other
>company).  Both drives are HighDensity Mac drives capable of reading IBM
>disks without the ROM upgrade.

Only problem with the AE drive being that it is an EXTERNAL floppy drive,
and the Mac II does not have a floppy drive port.  And I am not confident
you could effectively mount their mech inside a Mac II AND get the cabling
right, with any ease.

Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: leonardr@ccs.itd.umich.edu
Subject: Re: Compression Software
Originator: leonardr@diddley.ccs.itd.umich.edu
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:57:11 GMT

In article <iscjcw-270892162422@ajax.ucop.edu> iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.225430.16516@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle) wrote:
>> 
>> Will someone explain to me as broadly (but still as usefully) as
>> possible what the difference is between Salient's two compression
>> packages is - Disk Doubler and Auto Doubler? If I am trying to
>> increase the capacity of my 20 meg SE hard drive, which program do I
>> want to get?
>> 
>The two packages are somewhat similar, but you can use either one or both.
>Basically, the difference is that AutoDoubler works in a "automatic" mode
>
>DiskDoubler offers manual compression. You select the file(s)/folder(s) to
>be compressed. DD also offers some additional functionality in that it can
>create archives and groups of compressed files.
>
	On other other hand, you can purchase StuffIt SpaceSaver which
combines both the "automatic" mode of AutoDoubler, with the manual mode of
DiskDoubler, plus simple archiving needs (Stuffing, UnStuffing, etc.) and
more in a single package for only $59.95 (lite - mail order about $35). 

[Disclaimer: I work for Aladdin Systems, the publishers of StuffIt SpaceSaver
and also helped write the product ;)]

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From: mlanett@Apple.COM (Mark Lanett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: # of files
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:16:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff) writes:

>Is there anyway to get around this limit? I have a 600MB drive and have it
>formatted so that each block is 10k and can't find a way to have smaller
>blocks.  Is the limit of 2^16 due to the operating software or just the
>software that formats the drive.

>The reason I'm asking this is that we're setting up a large FirstClass BBS
>software and it stores every message as a file and you cannot have the
>messages in seperate volumes / partitions.  I'm running System 7.0 on a IIfx.

Not that I'm aware of, but you can always partition the drive anyway and stick
the non-messages on the other partition. That should drop it to 5K or so.
-- 
Have a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks.
Mark Lanett, NOT speaking for anyone. Personal opinion only.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Windows NT = Death of the Mac?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:15:39 GMT

Actually, Windows NT is supposed to be the death of Unix.
(See the cover of September's BYTE magazine "Is Unix Dead?".)

This would have to be the issue in which they finally got
around to reviewing A/UX ... ;-)

-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System on RAM disk
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:32:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

hise@iastate.edu (Allan R Hise) writes:

>Would there be a significant performance advantage to having your system files
>on a RAM disk?  If so, how would one transfer control to the system files that
>you just put on your RAM disk as opposed to the ones on your hard drive?

>Can this be done automatically at startup?  (that is the copying of system 
>files and transfer of control)

Roger Bates' shareware utility, RamDisk+3.14 does all of this, though
I don't know whether you can use it to transfer control to System 7.
Also, I don't know if you would see much of a performance advantage,
since much of the System/Finder is already loaded into RAM. Certainly
you'd see very little improvement in the performance of applications
other than possibly the Finder...

I use RamDisk with a copy of System 6.0.7 on a floppy, so I can boot
using System 6.0.7 (I have sys. 7 on my HD) occasionally, and not
tie up my floppy drive -- it ejects it automatically after switching
to the System on the RamDisk.

-Ralph

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Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.230016.1695@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.070906.3102@fys.ruu.nl>, delaat@fys.ruu.nl (Cees de
>Laat) writes:
>> Up to now Apple has not build in the MODE32 init (dirty ROM patch or
>> whatever you want to call it) into system 7.1 . I quess people still
>> have to juggle around with a few of those inits to get all wanted 
>> functionality on older MAC's. I checked system 7.1 on a MAC-SE30.
>> I did not get the choise 32-bit addressing in the memory panel.
>> I did not check if MODE 32 is compatible with sys 7.1 .
>> 
>> C. de Laat
>> 
>
>
>This is very sad if Apple does not live up to their promise to 
>integrate MODE32 into the system software. Having it as a temporary 
>stand-alone hack increases the probability (with complete certainty 
>over time) that it will become incompatible with future system versions.
>
>Perhaps MODE32 will be a "system enabler" (a sys 7.1 feature) for Mac IIx,
>>IIcx, II and SE/30s?  Unfortunately, I have no compelling reason to
>believe 
>Apple is being so thoughtful.
>
>If Apple breaks their promise to integrate MODE32 into the system 
>software for the many, many Mac II, IIcx, IIx and SE/30 owners out 
>there who paid top dollar for their (once) high-end Macintosh models, 
>then it may be time to start rallying forces again.

This strikes me as a rather hysterical response. Mode32 exists. You can ftp
it for free. It works. We have no evidence that it does NOT work with
system 7.1. Why not get that clarified before getting excited. So it's not
built into 7.1. If it still works with 7.1, what does it matter? Maybe it
won't be compatible with System 8. But do you know it won't be part of
System 8? We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I think, based on
what Apple has done so far, we owe them the benefit of the doubt.

Maynard Handley