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From: brad@grok40.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Subject: Re: KS Pheasant opener not very good
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:56:44 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064656.8110@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
|> Last weekend was the opener for pheasants in Kansas, and it was not
|> very successful for most hunters.
  
[some additional info about the hunt deleted]

It appears from first reports that the pheasant hunting is also down
in Iowa.  In talking to some friends of mine that work for the DNR,
they say that the government acres have allowed the explosion of field
mice, which leads to an increase in things that eat the field mice,
like owls, bull snakes, various hawk varieties, etc..  Just so happens
that some of these animals will also eat pheasant eggs, chicks.  This
supposedly has put somewhat of a dent in the pheasant population this
year.  Couple that with the rainy, wet conditions seen on opening
weekend, and you get a lot of tired and frustrated hunters.  It needs
to get cold so that the birds begin to clump together a bit.  I hope
this happens before Christmas, as I am planning on doing as much
hunting as time permits over the holidays.  Just some additional info
on the pheasant hunting woes in the midwest.  Happy hunting.

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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:08:37 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064535.7966@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
 
>
>
>I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
>I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
>  1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
>  2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
>  3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.
>
>Obviously, option 3 is preferred.
 
 
Why?  I have heard this before, but still haven't found a good reason
not to close my left eye (especially when using a scope).  I even
close my left eye when aiming with my bow (which was a real no-no
as far as my archery instructor was concerned).
 
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From: rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler)
Subject: Neoprene wader question
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:49:00 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

This year I purchased the Cabela's Neoprene/Cordura waders and I am
very very happy with them.  A friend however is interested in buying
new waders and he is trying to decide between the Hodgeman Neoprene
waders with Nylon outside and the Cabela's Neoprene with Cordura
outside.  I told him that I suspected that the Cordura ones would hold
up better as they will not tear like the nylon would.  In fact I
remember seeing a guy wearing the Hodgeman waders last year and he had
patches all over it.  He is interested in the Hodgeman waders since
they have 5mm of neoprene while the Cabela's waders have only 3mm.  I
so far have not felt any cold get through mine but I think he is a bit
cold blooded and is worried.

So my question is, how sturdy are the Neoprene waders with nylon on the
outside?


-- 

Randy Butler :-{)
NCSA


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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: What will pheasant hunting be like in KS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:58:31 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler) writes:

>The Illinois season started last week and it was a real bummer.  This
>year has been very wet and the farmers are having a tough time just
>getting their crops out of the fields, let alone worry about turning
>over the soil.  As a result I suspect that most of the pheasants are
>out in the harvested corn stubble or even in fields that are still
>standing.  Since there are thousands and thousands of acres of this
>type of cover, it is hard to find them.  That plus thefact that they
>seemed to be setting really tight.  My dog (Roger) had a real tuff
>time flushing the few we did see.

	I suggest this only as a possibility.  Some farmers, particularly
those that know you, will let you ride on the combine; the last 5 acres are
ripe with pheasant, and if you work this out with the farmers beforehand
you can ride and shoot at the same time.

	It has worked for me, but I usually drive the combine.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >


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From: akarpowicz@mta.ca (Adam Karpowicz)
Subject: stalking
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:48:57 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello there,

This is my first season of deer hunting (I used to hunt grouse before), so
my experience is kind of theoretical and limited.  In the area I hunt
there seems to be very few deer this year, in fact everyone I meet says
that.  It is almost impossible to find enough tracks to warrant setting up
a stand.  It seems to me that stalking or stillhunting would be a more
productive approach here, with a hunter on the move more likely to meet
deer.  My question is: what are the most effective ways to stalk etc.?
I understand the basics, but are there any patterrns in response of startled
deer for example? in direction of its movements? Most of the land here is
wooded with clearings, low hills, shooting distances are 100 yards max.

Thanks in advance

Adam


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From: jonesey@advtech.uswest.com (Doug Jones)
Subject: Elk hunting/ .444 marlin
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:58:03 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

for whatever reason, i have always wanted a .444 marlin.

having just moved to colorado, i am interested in elk hunting next fall.
how about the .444 as a cartridge??  assuming shots are kept to 150 yards.


doug jones


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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Insect repellent
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:57:42 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

blaraway@encore.com (Brad Laraway) writes:
>          I'm going hunting in Ocala National Forest, FLA.  I got
> 	 some earth sented bug repellent.  My question is does it
> 	 work against bugs and not deer.  I would rather lose a 
> 	 quart of blood over the course of a week, than spook all
> 	 the deer for miles around me.
> 
> 	 Thanks for any and all help.
> 
> 	 Brad
> 
 
   Don't worry to much about the bug repellent.  Deer down wind will 
smell you anyway.  Concentrate your hunting to up wind areas and position
yourself in the area accordingly.  Having hunted in Florida for many years
before moving to Colorado, I can assure you that the insect swatting will
catch the deer's attention quicker than anything.

By the way, the last time I deer hunted in the Ocala National Forrest, it
was crawling with people.  At that time no "hunter orange" clothing was
required (it still might not be).  In any case, be careful out there.  The
Florida woods are thick.  Combine that with a load of hunters and you 
need to be really cautious.  I'd wear orange in any case.


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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:59:09 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

   No way.  I'm not so much opposed to the foreign trucks as I am the
   wimp sized ones (that would include s-10's & rangers).  Just show me a
   small truck that I can carry me, my wife, 3 kids, dog (in a kennel),
   and camping gear in.  It doesn't exist!

Well, I can't argue with you here...  I've got one less kid and one
more dog than you (but the second dog is pretty small), and they all
ride in the cab of my wimp-size Toyota pickup.

   Also, IMHO, buying a truck without the extra seat in the back (forget
   those stupid side jump seats) is just plain short-sighted.  That
   effectively eliminates all but Chevys, Fords, and Dodges.  IMHO, the
   room in the back of a Dodge is too small (almost as bad as a small
   truck), so they are out too.  That leaves you with Chevys & Fords.  I
   have owned Fords my whole life, and they are solid.  But currently,
   the Chevy's just plain look better.

Some information...  among the wimp-sized trucks, you can get
forward-facing seats in the Isuzu and Toyota; in the
one-size-up-from-wimp ranks, you can also get them in the Dodge
Dakota.  Of course, my eight year old son has started to complain
about legroom in the back...

I hear the new Dodge full-size pickup -- due out in the spring or
summer -- is going to have styling that's as radical as the new
Chrysler cars.  People have compared them to anteater-snout Kenworths.

-Joe.



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From: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator)
Subject: Finally
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:59:01 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Wisconsin's Gun deer season has finally arrived.  I am leaving this
afternoon and and will return sometime next week depending on when I
get my deer(s) (and depending on whether my wife who is 8 month
pregnant decides to go early).

So there will be no rec.hunting posts until sometime next week.

Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting) 


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Neoprene wader question
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:26:54 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064901.8312@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler) writes:
 
>He is interested in the Hodgeman waders since
>they have 5mm of neoprene while the Cabela's waders have only 3mm.  I
>so far have not felt any cold get through mine but I think he is a bit
>cold blooded and is worried.
>
>So my question is, how sturdy are the Neoprene waders with nylon on the
>outside?
 
Hmm,  the neoprene waders that I bought from Cabela's this year are
5mm thick.  They are without a doubt, the warmest waders I have
ever owned (I got the model with the rubber boot attached).  So far
this duck season, I have only worn a single pair of white cotton
socks in the boots, and have yet to get even the slightest bit cold.
The guys that were with me with traditional rubber waders did get
cold, btw.  They are also the most comfortable waders I have ever
worn.  Where I hunt, we have to drag the jonboat about 1/4 mile over
some very shallow water.  The waders were about as comfortable as
a normal pair of clothes for this task.
 
I wholeheartedly recommend them.
 
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(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |


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From: hutch@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jerry Hutchison)
Subject: Re: Elk hunting/ .444 marlin
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:56:50 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Relative to previous posts on the merit of the .444 Marlin as
an Elk rifle. While I have a 20+yr old one, I have yet to take
it as my "main" rifle Elk hunting, I opt for my Browning lever
in .308, or Ruger 30-06, leaving the .444 as a backup so to speak.
This is just me, not the rifle, as it will hit the mark every time
as long as I do my part. 

There are only 2 "problems" or "drawbacks" with that caliber, 
in my opinion:

(1) Effective range is ( or should be ) limited to 150 yard MAX. 
After that bullet drop is like a rock. I realize the "old timers"
with their 45/70's and Sharps Buffalo Guns were supposed to be
able to lob their 500 grain bullets into game at fantastic ranges,
and supposedly one could do similiar with the .444, but I don't
feel that is acceptable in the reality of responsible hunting today.

(2) Factory ammo is underpowered and uses the same bullet as the 
.44 mag handgun. I've heard that Remington has a 265 grain load, 
but never have been able to find a gun shop that ever had it or 
could get it. The only way I found to really use the .444 to its 
full potential is handload. I have a hunter/friend who has worked
up some hefty loads for me using 300 grain Barnes bullets. I think
these would certainly be Elk worthy, and could most likely take a 
Moose with no problem, provided I could get within 100 - 125 yards.

With that said, its a well built rifle, and like the 45/70, a "fun" 
caliber to shoot, and if if I didn't have my .308 hang-up I might
have used it for Elk by now. In case anyone wonders ( or cares! ),
if I was only able to have just ONE rifle ( heaven forbid! ) I 
would opt for 30-06 as the one most all-around caliber, what with 
the variety of bullets & loadings availiable over the counter.

And now that I've got the 7mm mag people PO'd at me I end this!!

Hutch
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: kevin@msus1.msus.edu
Subject: Re: Elk hunting/ .444 marlin
Organization: Metro State ACC
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:08:12 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov18.084531.29588@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, mjalava@lk-hp-8.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava) writes:

> Yes, a bit light but surely it will do the job if you do yours. .308
> is the most popular caliber for elk hunting in Finland (as you can use
> it for nearly any game with different loads) and seems to kill the
> beasts just fine. You just have to shoot a little better than with a
> more powerful rifle.
> 
> 	Mika

I have heard that what Europeans call "Elk" we call "moose" is that the case
here?
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: truck advice
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:48:38 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov13.075139.24312@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   turnera@hubcap.clemson.edu (Allen Turner) writes:
 
>   My solution was to take that $5000 and buy an ATV and a trailer.  The
>5X8 ft. 3500 lb. GVW trailer would let me haul as much or more than the
>pickup would allow and the combination of the trailer and the ATV would
 
 
Let me throw my $0.02 worth in here about this.  I always kinda liked
the idea of those little 4x4 ATV's but had never really seen one used
for more than joy riding by teenagers.  That is, until my retriever
club's field trial last Feb.  It seems that 2 of our judges brought
one with them, I guess to rebird between dogs (field trial distances
can be rediculous - but that's another issue).  It rained that
weekend to the point that 4x4 trucks were getting stuck in the mud
to their axels (both small and large trucks).  But this little
Susuki ATV was pulling them out - uphill - and with the truck engine
off!  (i'm not making this up).  And it didn't just do this once.
It pulled out no less than 8 of these trucks (they were stuck in a
line - it looked kinda funny - except one was mine).  The guy brought
his ATV on a trailer on the back of his truck, and turned around
and put the trailer on the hitch on the back of the ATV.  I don't
have one yet, but I was sold on them that day!  Put a small wench
on it, and you have the ultimate in hunting vehicles.
 
Of course, you will still need that full sized Ford or Chevy
4x4 supercab to get the ATV to your hunting grounds   ;-)
 
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(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
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From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Quail Hunting in NC
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:26:06 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Can anyone give me hope that there are any wild quail left in North
Carolina.  Either my dog is faking it, or we haven't found much in the
way of birds for 3 seasons. Does anyone know what, if any, work is
being done to determine the reasons for the population demise over the
last few years?

If there isn't much hope of finding wild birds in the future, does anyone 
have any experience retraining a german shorthair to find and point trout?

Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: right handed/left eye dominant, any tips?
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:39:53 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

My problem is that my eyes are fickle (fickel?). Sometimes I am left
eye dominant sometimes right eye. Interestingly enough if I point the
gun with both eyes open and the left eye happens to be leading I can
close it for a second and when I open it presto right eye dominant.
Weird stuff.

				mike


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: mjalava@lk-hp-8.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava)
Subject: Re: Elk hunting/ .444 marlin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:45:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.064423.7917@doug.cae.wisc.edu> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:

>Also I suppose .308W would be a bit on the light side huh?...
(for elk)

Yes, a bit light but surely it will do the job if you do yours. .308
is the most popular caliber for elk hunting in Finland (as you can use
it for nearly any game with different loads) and seems to kill the
beasts just fine. You just have to shoot a little better than with a
more powerful rifle.

	Mika




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: james@csn.org (Jim Phillips)
Subject: Re: What will pheasant hunting be like in KS
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:47:17 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov13.075121.24246@doug.cae.wisc.edu> rbutler@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Randy Butler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.090644.5015@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
>|> This weekend, Nov. 14,15 is opening weekend for Pheasant hunting in KS.
>|> Naturally, we already have our fields picked out to hunt, but I've heard
>|> >from several sources that bird numbers are down this year compared to the
>|> last two years.  Has anyone else heard anything about this.  I believe
>|> Nebraska pheasant season opened last weekend, how did the hunters do there?
>|> 
>
>
>The Illinois season started last week and it was a real bummer.  

I've heard it's pretty bad in Kansas this year too.  I just talked to my 
cousin and he has heard that the really wet spring may be responsible.
However I don't trust all this hearsay and FOAF stuff.  Well there is only 
one thing to do about this!  Somebody should go out there and find out.  
I'll go!  No, that's okay, don't worry about me.  Someone has to do it. :-)
I can leave tomorrow.  I'll report back after Thanksgiving.	

Bye,
james

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: spf@hoqaa.att.com (Steven P Frysinger)
Subject: Tagging deer (was Re: Bambi's Revenge)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:48:23 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>From article <1992Nov16.075900.2164@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by gray@hawkmoon.mn.org (Bill Gray):
> to put my tag on it?  (Stupid recent change in regs means you have to tag
> before you drag.  Tags are paper and get ripped off in brush.  Stupid DNR.)

Not trying to pick a fight here, but there's a reason for such regs.
Here in NJ you must tag the deer immediately after finding it dead (we
recommend pinning your whole license holder to the ear so it won't get torn
off).  Also, tag MUST be filled in completely IN INK.

This is to discourage slob "hunters" from shooting deer all day and only
tagging and dragging out the biggest or most impressive.  You'd be amazed
at the number of deer we find left in the woods.

So if it's inconvenient for you scrupulous hunters, please grin and bear it
in the knowledge that it helps us catch the slobs and reduce their wanton
waste.

Steve

PS: I hope you don't mind that I enjoyed your story much more than you did.
Well told!


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: jonesey@advtech.uswest.com ( Doug Jones)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:59:19 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

advice on used chevy's ....


get an 87 or newer, they are fuel injected.
(86's and older are carburated)

get the 350 ci engine, the 305 ci is underpowered.

I have an 86 halfton GMC with the 305.  the thing has been reliable
(never been in the shop for anything other than scheduled maintenance),
but its a little slow up the hills with a load.  of course, i live
at 8,000 ft, and work at 5500 feet (boulder).  your altitude may have
different results.


doug jones





Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Elk hunting/ .444 marlin
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:44:22 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Nov16.075803.1963@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, jonesey@advtech.uswest.com (Doug Jones) writes:
|> for whatever reason, i have always wanted a .444 marlin.
|> 
|> having just moved to colorado, i am interested in elk hunting next fall.
|> how about the .444 as a cartridge??  assuming shots are kept to 150 yards.
|> 
|> 
|> doug jones
|> 
|> 

Speaking of Elk equipment. I have a couple of questions for y'all. I have
been lusting after an Elk hunt and I thought I might give it a shot. This
would be my first big game hunt. Considering how umm interesting the
woods get during deer season I thought that maybe Elk hunting would be
safer. ;-) Anyhow I would like to go on a guided hunt in Wyoming or
Colorado, Preferable a horseback hunt. Can anyone recommend a good guide
service for a green horn who is anxious to learn? Reasonable price is
a plus.

Also I suppose .308W would be a bit on the light side huh?...

				mike


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