From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am women?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:01:34 GMT
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In-reply-to: mysti@sybase.com's message of 13 Nov 92 20:15:19 GMT

In article <25766@sybase.sybase.com> mysti@sybase.com (Mysti) writes:
   In article <MARTINC.92Nov8150437@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
   >In article <1992Nov6.210652.712@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
   >
   >   Well, check out the content of the virtually all-female form of (usually)
   >   soft-core pornography known as "Romance Novels": written for women,
   >   by women.  My understanding is that these books DO typically show 'women
   >   in danger' being "rescued" by men.  If correct, this tells us that
   >   "men rescuing women" is NOT "female-bashing",  but rather a kind of
   >   fantasy shared both by women and men. Hence, the "rescue fantasy" is
   >   probably very deeply grounded in both male AND female psychology. If
   >   this is upsetting to YOU, of course you're free to tell any male who
   >   attempts to rescue you to go piss off!  :)
   >
   >"So what did the princess do after the knight resuced her?"
   >"She rescued him right back."

   Important point #1:  what is the most frequently occurring gender of the
   people who control film studios and publishing houses?  

What's the gender of the people buying the books and seeing the movies?

   Important point #2: In writing seminars, I have frequently been told
   that men often write these stories and pseudonymify with women's
   names.

You have a source for that?  I've heard exactly the opposite at writing
seminars etc.  I know a number of such writers and aspiring writers, and
they're uniformly women.  I don't hink I believe you.

   Important point #3: Women act in porn films, this does not mean that
   violence in pornography is a "fantasy shared by women and men".

Where is bloody hell did the pornography issue come from?

   Likewise, because women sell (what men are purchasing for publication
   for sale to women) these stories does not mean that they share the
   fantasy.  If they did, they'd be lolling about waiting for someone to
   rescue them, eh?

Don't be silly, Myts.  I fantasize sometimes about hitting a home run in
the majors -- but I don't loll around waiting for the Rockies to draft me.

   Important point #4:  There's nothing wrong with having a fantasy about
   someone rescuing you.  The problem is that all too often women (and men)
   come to believe that this is their only option.  

Only too true: cf. the recent election.

   And they may not be too far wrong if the statistics which say that 40
   percent of homeless people are women escaping violent partners, is
   true.

Attention all hands: the non sequitur light is lit.

   We don't take these things seriously because we are humorless castrating
   femanazi dykes, but because their consequences can be measured in human
   suffering and pain, on both sides of the gender line.  

This is a nice sentence but whatever are you talking about: does it have
anything to do with the previous article?  I think you've taken one step
too many for me.
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