From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Chinascam
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:50:02 GMT

In <RBH6RB3w165w@korova.uucp> popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie) writes:

>Chinascam - 
>        Huh?

>John F. Haugh II

>Chinascam.

>Some years back, a CIA analyst was tracking missles being shipped from 
>China to Iran.  This was the tip of an Iceberg.  China was selling 
>Missles, Nuclear Waeopn Technology nad Biochem Technology to Iran, a 
>terrorist state involved with holding our hostages.  Among other unsavory 
>things.  This analyst dutifuly kept his superiors informed, yet nothing 
>was ever done about this.  The Bush, Reagan adminstration did not even 
>seem to care.  Tired of beating his head against a stonewall, this 
>analyst tipped off columnist Jack Anderson.  Anderson, ever the careful
>journalist, approched some sources he had in intelligence and word got 
>back to Washington.  Anderson git a visit from the CIA and was informed 
>that even tho' it was true, he should not publish, as this would 
>compromise intelligence gathering methods and personnel.  He reluctantly 
>agreed under pressure.

I'm sorry, but this just doesn't quite seem to track the reality that
I remember.  I was certainly aware of Chinese missile technology being
sold to Iran some time ago.  I even remember pictures in the paper
showing where Silkworm (a Chinese anti-ship missile) batteries were
located in Iran.  In point of fact, I have a computer game (the first
release of F-19) that shows Chinese missiles as targets in the Iranian
theater. 

Given all that, some kind of 'coverup' is just real hard to buy.

>  Early in 1992, Bush was involved with another of his fights over most 
>favored trading status with China.  Word was leaked out again about 
>China's arming of iran, the Missles, the Nuclear technology and the 
>Biochem technology.  When a few senators made an official request about 
>theses aquisitions, Bush sent Lawrence Eagleburger to the Senate to 
>officially get up on the podium,  And lie.  He said there was no truth in 
>that.  And Jack Anderson finally went public.  Bush had Eagleburger lie 
>to the Senate and by extension, to the American Public.  There was an 
>official request for a special prosecuter made by the Seante.  
>Bipartisan.  Including a very angry Jesse Helms.  Bush Lied.  Strange how 
>liitle our press is interested in this.

So little interested that I've certainly never heard of it.  Is there
anyone else out there who remembers this?

>In August, the Chinese government started to move large numbers of 
>chinese settlers into Tibet.  100,00 to start, with 700,000 to follow.
>Little or no response from Bush who still wants to give most favored 
>trading status to China.

The Chinese have been doing this in Tibet since Mao took over and
claimed Tibet back in the 1950's.  So what is new?

>Last month, an official Amnesty International report dealt with the 
>Torture and illegal detetion of Tibetians, and the mistreatment of the 
>Tibetian people by their Chinese masters.  Not a peep from Bush on this.
> He stillwants to give most favored trading status to China.

Does it really come as a great surprise to anyone that China routinely
violates Amnesty International (and United Nations) standards for
humane treatment?  I'm not sure what this has to do with MFN status.

>A Liar and soft on Communism to boot.   Fuck Bush!  Fuck the asshole 
>Republican Senators who give him a veto-override-proof veto on this time 
>after time!

Oh, well there you go.  That certainly convinces ME of your credibility.

>Chinascam.   There ya go.

>Iranscam.  There are notes from Weinberger now and notes from the Israeli 
>government as dealt with on Nightline last Friday.  And Schultze's 
>letter.  Lots of proof and credible if you don't go into neocon denial.
>I am sure it'll get worse as time goes on.

Frankly, I'm not sure why this should matter anyway.  So he knew.  BFD.

>Iraqscam -
>  Playing footsie with a dangerous fool like Saddam.  Ignoring his 
>terrorist ties.  Probably illegal here.  Ignoring warnings of his drive 
>for weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear.  Despite warnings, 
>unambigous warnigs from the state department and the CIA.  

Sorry, but there's no such thing as 'unambiguous warnings' in the
intelligence world.  We routinely deal with 'dangerous fools',
depending on what the current national interest is.  

>Plus the NBL 
>bank situation that is now under scrutiny.  Drogoul's plea bargain 
>rejected and the case going to trial. 

Oh, is this the one that was part of the BCCI scandal; you know, the
one with the guys from a past Democratic Administration running it?

>  Doesn't anybody here read the papers?

Yes, but apparently not the same ones you do.  Or perhaps it's a
difference in ability to read and sift facts.  So far, you come across
as every bit the ideologe that you accuse John Haugh of being.

>Taxes - 
>  The Congress is the only one who can take us to war.  Look what 
>happened in Vietnam.  a 'police action'.

Excuse me, but what does this have to do with ANYTHING?

>  The Congress is the only part of government that can levy taxes.
>But Reagan and now Bush, did indeed steal $300 billion dollars of Social 
>Security Trust Funds.  With the flick of a pen.  A tax?  No. No. No.
>Technically.  And the war in Vietnam was not a war. Technically.
>Constitution?  We don't need no stinkin' Constitution!
>Yeah, I read the Constitution.  You haven't read the papers very 
>carefully, have you?  Haven't kept up!  Didn't you pay attention when 
>Sen. Moynihan was trying to alert you to this a few years back.  
>Obviously not.

Senator MOYNIHAN?  I'm sorry, but as often as I disagree with John
Haugh, Moynihan is an IDIOT.  If you're listenting to him and taking
your direction from that, no WONDER you don't seem to have a clue.

>My FICA was raised to build a S.S. Trust Fund for my retirement because 
>tha tax base of 20 years hence will not support all of us baby boomers 
>retiring at this time.  Reagan and Bush Fucked us all up the ass royally 
>here.  My fund became a sneaky tax supported whole heartedly by that 
>fuckin' bastard, "Read m
>My Lips Bush".  It ain't kosher, but he did it and is doing it to us 
>right now. And all you can say is "read the Constitution"!  Read the 
>writing on the handwall, Haugh!  Bush is shafting us big time!  Get a 
>clue.  

Yep, I'm sure convinced all right.  Here you are practically frothing
at the mouth, and we're supposed to take you as credible?  Oh, just by
the way; what *is* a "handwall"?

>Rantings!  I would rather be accused of ranting than being ignorant like 
>you are!  Actaully I do not give a fuck about all you neocons who are too 
>damned foolish to see how yrer precious Republican Presidents have 
>slipped us the pork, but I sure resent being dragged down with you by the 
>mass stupidity of the Anerican Voters and the Thieving Republican party.

Yes, ranting.  I normally wouldn't take John's word for anything, but
you've sure convinced me that he's right in this case.  Yeah, you DO
need to reread the Constitution, if only to rediscover that if the
majority doesn't agree with you, your policies don't go into effect.
Have you ever asked yourself why it is that you are so smart and the
majority of the American people must be so stupid and gullible as to
not see the Divinely Inspired Wisdom (tm) of your little rantings?

>Get a clue jerk.  Constitution indeed!

Well, it's pretty obvious that YOU don't believe in it.

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