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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Sex and Death
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:54:40 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <P6S!84N6T@linac.fnal.gov> lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.013619.3464@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:
>>I won't go into the psychoanalytical reasons behind this, other than
>>the loss of virginity is seen as a highly traumatic event for a young woman
>>(in victorian society)... and after marriage, a young woman can go no further;
>>as a wife and mother she has fulfilled her destiny, and there's nothing left
>>for her to do BUT die.  These are not necessarily my beliefs, just some of the
>>theories involved in interpreting women's novels...
>
>>
>>It suddenly struck me that in Maggie's love life, the genders are
>>reversed:  the MEN die after sleeping with Maggie.  I'm not sure what this
>>might mean, and I doubt that it's even intended to be an inversion of this
>>Victorian theme... although I'm convinced that at least one of the writers for
>>this show was an English major. :)  One line of thought that may follow is
>>that, while Victorian women couldn't survive in a masculine society where
>>their ambitions and desires are suppressed and restricted to being a wife and
>>mother, the men in Maggie's life couldn't survive in Maggie's world, where she
>>does what she wants and fulfills her own desires, while they take second
>>place.  .
>
>Or maybe their deaths are Maggie's projection of what she fears will
>happen to herself if she marries.  Since she knows that women's
>"stories" end when they marry, these men must die so that her story
>doesn't have to end.  
>

Hmmm ... my take on this is that the show is having it both ways with
this theme, and with Maggie in general.  Witness the huge argument in
this very group about whether Maggie is a strong, independent woman. A
lot of questions would be easier to discuss if we were talking about a
movie, novel or miniseries--anything with a clear end. Once you know
the whole story, you can draw conclusions a little more confidently. 
In a series, writers try to set up conflicts and themes that can generate
stories indefinitely--or at least several hundered one-liners (see:
"Golden Girls, The").  

Maggie's "power" and her place in the show could be seen as rabidly
anti-female. The only available, attractive woman on the show is so
sexually powerful that she literally kills the men she sleeps with. 
Talk about grist for your Freud mill ... fortunately, NX's writers
love to play around, so they take a Big Theme (sex & death, female
sexuality) and turn it into the lady who wants Maggie to take her
husband out with one good roll in the hay. So Maggie can be the
exotic sex goddess *and* a poor shmoette who can't find the right
guy. 

The reappearence of all the ghosts seems to indicate that we're 
going to get some kind of closure on this theme, which, after all,
they have to dispose with to get Maggie and Joel together. Let's
hope they zig-zag a few more times before wrapping it up.

Ken B. 
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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT "ED"
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:14:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.171405.12131@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.
nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
><IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

(stuff deleted)

>>1.  Supposedly Ed is has an IQ of 180.

(more stuff deleted)

>Whoops! Where did this come from? Who said he had a 180 Eye-Queue?
>Why wasn't I informed? Who authorized this? That memo never crossed
>_my_ desk... 8-)
>
>but seriously, where did you hear that one?

About nine months ago TV Guide ran an article about NX that read largely
like a near-verbatim transcript of the ubiquitous press kit. It  probably
came from the PR offices at CBS since  I can't believe that the producers
of NX could come up with such dry, inane drivel.

Anyway, one the bits of "biographical data" they used to descibe Ed was
that he has an IQ of 180.  I haven't ever heard confirmation of this
factoid on the show, but I can easily believe that he is one of those
diconnected-from-the-real-world, one-track-mind geniuses.
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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Maurice/Tulsa???
Keywords: ummm
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.013614.19767@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
>
>>Season opener was fun, but as an ex-Tennesseean, I must ask this question:
>>Isn't Maurice supposed to be from Knoxville, TN, NOT Tulsa, OK as indicated
>>last night in one of the scenes at the Brick in which M is torturing 
>>everybody with his memoirs?  Or is it just that Barry Corbin is (in real
>>life) from Knoxville?  God, I hope that I'm wrong, that we aren't going to
>>start seeing such gross continuity problems.
>
>No, I think it's Chris that is from Tennesee.
>-- 

Barry Corbin is a native Texan.

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Subject: Re: Janine Turner in Chevy Commerical
From: ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller)
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:58:33 PDT
Reply-To: ekeller@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: ATS - CalState Los Angeles

In article <25565@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dooley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Katherine Dooley) writes:
|> Keeping up with the Where did I see Janine Turner...
|> 
|> She has shown up recently on a Chevy Commerical,
|> not looking like a bush pilot, but like the
|> model that she once was.
|> 
|> Just thought I would mention it,
|> Kathy

if only I had seen this before Lindsey Wagner convinced 
me to buy that Ford...........
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From: tk526042@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Timothy Knorr)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Beer
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:22:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1aa3dkINN211@agate.berkeley.edu> kpatel@roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu (KETAN DASHARATH PATEL) writes:
>
>I saw someone mention Anchor Steam beer being served at the Brick,
>and thought I would comment.
>The funny thing is that there are a LOT of Seattle beers they could 
>have chosen to add local flavor or they could have gone with Henry's,
>the quintessential Oregon beer that's been around for a long time and
>very popular on the West Coast. My personal theories:

Henry's?  Blech.

This may not be the place for a beer discussion, and I am no expert on NW 
beers (never been there) but I was fortunate enough to get to the Great
American Beer Festival IV in Denver last weekend.  There are plenty of NW
beers they could showcase, though Anchor Steam is one of the best .  Henry's
is not.  Great brews were at the Fest from Marin Brewing Co., North Coast,
Redhook, Rogue, Sierra Nevada (not), Mendocino (wonderful), and Seabright
(desrved winners of three medals) amongst others.

But but but.  The show is supposed to be in Alaska.  (Even if your belief
need be suspended once you know it's not filmed there).  And beer is
brewed there as well.  The only brewer at the Fest from AK was Alaska
Brewing and Bottling, and their beer was impressive.  An interesting smoked
porter comes to mind (it won Gold for smoked beers last year) as doed the
Breakup Bock and Autumn Ale (Gold in 1991 for amber ales).  It is in my
humble O that these beers and beers of other small Alaskan Breweries gain
air time on the show.  They deserve it.


Other note.  In defense of Sam Adams.  Don't knock Boston Brewing Co. until
you've tried Sam Adams Cream Stout, or Oktoberfest, or most especially the
Cranberry Lambic (wow!)

Hey, now you've got some beers to try!  Have fun!  Have a homebrew!



Tim Knorr
Colorado State University 
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From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: replies to things
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  1 Oct 1992 15:08 MST  

In article <1992Sep30.222617.22830@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes...
{	1. Yeh, Chris is from Wheeling, West Virginia, as is John Corbett
{himself.
{	2. I'm fair certain he said, "Now I'm going to unzip your pants and
{pull them down. Don't get excited." I almost screeched "WHAT!?", which would
{have pissed off everyone in my dorm, but quickly remembered that he was
{checking for an inflamed appendix.
{	3. She didn't sleep with Arthur the Bear? Or Chris? Damn. I owe my
{bro
ther a pack of peanut M&Ms. :(

Don't go getting those M&M's yet...
Actually, this is an interesting sidelight. I have a copy of the "Wake-Up Call" 
script (the final version) and there is a scene with Maggie & Arthur where they 
hop in the sack--however, this must have been left on the editing room floor. 
Don't ask me why. Maybe CBS was afraid that the moral majority would scream 
bestiality or something. Just a thought--


Regards--

Heather			
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: replies to things
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:26:17 GMT

	1. Yeh, Chris is from Wheeling, West Virginia, as is John Corbett
himself.
	2. I'm fair certain he said, "Now I'm going to unzip your pants and
pull them down. Don't get excited." I almost screeched "WHAT!?", which would
have pissed off everyone in my dorm, but quickly remembered that he was
checking for an inflamed appendix.
	3. She didn't sleep with Arthur the Bear? Or Chris? Damn. I owe my
brother a pack of peanut M&Ms. :(
	4. As a big Ed fan ;-) I thought he looked kind of interesting in
tribal gear, but agree that it was out of place.
	5. WAY-TO-GO RuthAnne! Smash the hell out of that sucker! (Which was
probably made in Japan--so tell me, Maurice, what happened to "buy American?")				Rosaleen
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From: sgsimon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Simon)
Subject: Re: Season's premier, loud musical score?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.060211.16041@onion.rain.com> jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles) writes:
>
>Is it just me, or was the premier this evening's musical score VERY loud?
>
>It almost seemed like a different show, but still good none the less.
>

I agree.  Several other posters have commented on the CONTENT of the
music on the season premiere, but what struck me was the VOLUME (ie.
loudness).  There were several scenes where I had trouble hearing what
the characters were saying due to loud music or other background noise
(esp. the birds).  Was this a problem with my cable company somehow,
or did other people notice this too?

-Steve Simon

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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: John Cullum (was Re: John Collum)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.161639.6248@tamsun.tamu.edu> jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.164018.15396@colorado.edu> iovine@columbine.cs.colorado.edu (Francesca Iovine) writes:

>>On the subject of Cullum's past performances: didn't
>>he also play a psychiatrist w/ barbra streisand as his
>>patient in 'On A Clear Day You Can See Forever' which
>>played on broadway (then was made into a movie)?

Not exactly; see below.

>Apparently, John Cullum has appeared in OACDYCSF, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't
>the moive version with Barbara Streisand.  The psychiatrist in that one was
>an actor with a foreign surname and an ACcent. 

The man who starred with Barbra Streisand in the movie was Yves Montand.

John Cullum costarred with Barbara Harris in the original stage musical
On a Clear Day You Can See Forever (a last-minute replacement for
ANOTHER actor with a foreign name & accent, Louis Jourdan).  Cullum
also appeared in the stage musicals Camelot (as one of the knights, and
sometimes Richard Burton's understudy), Shenandoah, and On the Twentieth
Century.  He can be heard on the original cast albums of all these.

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze)
Subject: Re: Monday's "Midnight Sun" episode.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:55:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.051011.11568@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct4.230915.22103@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>hwnunes@leland.Stanford.EDU (Henry Walter Nunes) writes:
>>>>I just want to see what their excuse is going to be to say that
>>>>Cicely is located in the arctic circle when all along, Cicely
>>>>apparently had normal day and night periods.
>>
>>Seeing the Sun circle the sky is an awesome experience, but it's not
>>the same as a sunny day in the lower 48.  The Sun never gets very high
>>in the sky.  You still get tired naturally, and "below" the Circle
>>you still get short twilight.  Night shades help.
>>

>On last night's show, Chris talked about the sun setting for the first
>time in a while.  Does anyone know if that means Cicely is/is not above
>the Arctic Circle?  i.e., does the sun stay up all the time during some
>part of the year even below the Arctic Circle?

No.  The arctic circle (and, contrariwise, the antarctic circle) are
the lowest latitudes at which the sun stays above the horizon 24 hours
a day...if you're standing exactly on the arctic circle (which is, I
believe, 67.5 degrees north (the Earth has an axial tilt of, 22.5
degrees, I think) the sun will just kiss the horizon).  On the other
hand, points south won't necessarily get dark...as the sun will just
barely dip below the horizon, giving, say, 23 hours of light and 1
hour of twilight/sunset.  This is how the arctic circle is defined.

Peace,

Doug

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From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Season Premiere
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:30:30 GMT

In article <BETSYS.92Oct1212652@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>Maybe Joel will sleep with Maggie and then become convinced he is
>dying? 

Maybe. There's a lot of things they can do with the Dark Maggie concept
if Joel sleeps with her. Remember, her boyfriends didn't die right away.
They didn't walk out of her cabin and immediately encounter their death.
Joel would have some time...if the curse hit him at all (good way for 
the producers to get rid of him if they wanted to, though *I* don't wnat 
them to!).

I think it would be great if they slept together and one or the other 
firmly believes Joel is going to die. Then Maggie can locate and perform 
some bizarre and strange ritual intended to "remove" her "curse"...a 
ritual which could be an important vehicle for further revelation of 
Maggie's and Joel's characters. I think this could be fascinating.

I'm writing this fast, so I hope I'm coherent. It's just a thought.

Alexandria
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From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Re: Maurice/Tulsa???
Summary: no, WVa
Keywords: ummm
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:26:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.013614.19767@netcom.com>, dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
> ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
> 
> >Isn't Maurice supposed to be from Knoxville, TN, NOT Tulsa, OK as indicated
> >last night in one of the scenes at the Brick in which M is torturing 
> >everybody with his memoirs?  Or is it just that Barry Corbin is (in real
> >life) from Knoxville?  God, I hope that I'm wrong, that we aren't going to
> >start seeing such gross continuity problems.
> 
> No, I think it's Chris that is from Tennesee.
> -- 
>  Donna S. Lee // EC Technology //

Actually, Chris is from West Virginia...:)

I think that the recent NEXP article in Entertainment Weekly contained the
answer to the question of Maurice Minnefield's origins, but, as the fates
would have it, that issue was in a stack of mags that I distributed to office
mates after I cleaned my house.  Urgh.

Again, can anyone clear up the ? of M's home-state?
							cgk

P.S.  Yep, having a stock of rental canoes would be a very MM thing to do.
Maybe the canoe belongs to Eric and (Eric??) <you know>... Speaking of our
fave out b&b keepers, does anyone know it they'll be back this season?  I
hope so.
From: velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Season Premiere
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:00:50 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


So, did anyone else laugh hysterically when Ruth-Ann smashed Maurice's tape
recorder?  Her smile afterwards was just PERFECT.

And someone asked who Steve was (among the men in Maggie's life).  Maggie
looked perplexed and asked him herself, and he said they had dated once (but I
don't remember what the date was) in high school or something, and she asked,
"Did we... uh..." and he said, "Uh-huh."  So it was some sort of one-nighter,
maybe.  Correct me if I'm wrong...

And I thought the show did wonders for the relationship between Joel and
Maggie.  IT's much, much softer now, which I saw as a continuation of the
ending of the Wedding episode, where the antagonism fades a little.  Did you
notice how, on their way to finding Maggie, Joel seriously contemplated
Maggie's reaction to turning thirty, and agreed with her that he sees it as
approaching a wall?  And then he went on to explain himself and (gasp) examine
his feelings.  That's a step, I think.  The final scene had some real
compassion on Joel's part, too.  He obviously cares enough about Maggie to fly
in a helicopter to make sure she's alright (or did they both go on the
helicopter to the hospital in the first place?).. and then he stayed with her
in the hospital room!  *sigh*  I found it to be MUCH more rewarding than their
first kiss.  Did anyone else?

Well, sorry if these thoughs are sort of jumbled.. I haven't had my morning
shot of caffeine yet... *yawn*

Michelle

one more question:  do you think they'll pull a soap-opera type time lapse nd
have Adam and Eve's baby already born, or half-a-year old or something?
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: A question about bears...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:12:33 GMT

In article <harris.717764458@drvax3> harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov
(Mitch Harris) writes:
>Aren't there alot of bears roaming around Alaska (or am I victim of a
>stereotype)?
>Granted, I am a coward, I admit it, but I would be petrified to see in
>the Alaskan wilderness without a gun! 

Depends on the bear.  Better to avoid and leave distance.
Browns/blacks, the current advice is make noise and be somewhat aggressive.
Grizzly bears, are not the problem they once were perceived.  One non-profit
	society will escort you to a feeding area with no bars or cages.
	Some of the Parks allow firearms for bear protection.
Polar bears, carry a gun at this time.
All bets are off with a mother and cubs of any type.
Most of Alaska isn't winderness anymore, and you largely don't need a gun.

If you need a ref on bear attacks, ask.

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From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maurice/Tulsa???
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:51:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
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In a previous article, ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) says:

>A note on product placement: My friend L'ea loves the fact that The Brick
>serves Anchor-something and Red Hook beer.  At least it's not the 
>ubiquitous Miller Lite.
>
Almost certainly Anchor Steam Beer.  Which shows that Holling has good taste;
the stuff's excellent...


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From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Re: KBHR T-Shirts
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:07:20 GMT

In article <senjg8G00Vo9Mrk2kJ@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith) writes:
>From: js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith)
>Subject: KBHR T-Shirts
>Date: 4 Oct 92 14:09:12 GMT
>I was in a cutesy little stationary store last week and I saw a great shirt.
>
>It said "Listen to KBHR. Chris in the Morning." and it had a big picture
>of Chris. I really liked this shirt.

Yeah, it would be great, minus Chris's grinning face. He would never have 
wanted it that way. Perhaps a little Kierkegaard quote, instead of the face,
and then it would be true Chris.

Has anybody seen those "I hit the Brick In Cicely, AK" t-shirts on the market
anywhere? I would KILL for one of those.

                                          - Nate.
>
>		Jason
>
>"You bluffed me. I don't like people bluffing me. It disturbs my sense
>of reality."
>	-The Kid, From "Northern Exposure"

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From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Subject: Re: KBHR origin
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:35:55 GMT

Not A damn clue about HFS xcept that it's the best station in
the country and I miss Weasel horribly, and the Daily Feed. Can
you spell "nee-see"'s name? And is she still there? (sorry for
the non-NEXP sidetrack, but it's a bitchin' station)
				
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