HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco)
Subject: Ethnic Cleansing arrives to the net (was PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF))
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:37:56 GMT

In comp.sys.next.software article  
<1992Sep5.174919.29720@leland.Stanford.EDU> you wrote:
>
> >Like a pink slip.  You are hurting your own company, Jack Reynolds!
>
> I agree. If users had no choice then I'd make a face and still fork over 
> cash for PasteUp. Now I swear I will wait for Archetype and Pages to  
ship 
> their products. That's one lost sale!
>
> -Marcos J. Polanco
> -shiva@vega.stanford.edu


Oh give me a break! You no doubt would have only been willing to pay  
educational prices only - right? I don't think they'll miss your $25. So  
why don't you go back to whatever country you came from and stop bothering  
me?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: stabl@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Robert Stabl)
Subject: Re: ML for the NeXT??
Organization: University of Munich, Germany
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:44:59 GMT

In article <188mlpINN2kr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes:
>In article <Yedv8wi00YV7A68VM7@andrew.cmu.edu> gb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (George J.  
>Baxter) writes:
>>Hey folks, is there a standard ML compiler for the NeXT???
>
>1) You don't need to compile ML--it's already in machine form, hence the name.
>2) If you want to compile ASSEMBLER--create the file with the extension '.s',  
>and send it through cc.
>

There seems to be a misinterpretation of the word ML in the quoted area above.
Here ML is the abbreviation for Meta Language, not Machine Language.

I guess George wanted to know if there is an implementation of the 
SML (Standard Meta Language) on the NeXT. Yes, there are implementations
of SML on the NeXT. The New Jersey compiler (SML of NJ) compiles right
out of the box on the NeXT, there is also an implementation of CAML on
the NeXT.

You can get the sources of SMLofNJ on the following ftp servers:
 research.att.com:/dist/ml/75.{src,mo.m68,doc,lib,tools}.tar.Z
 ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/sml/SML-of-NJ/75.{src,mo.m68,doc,lib,tools}.tar.Z

The binaries are on:
 ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/next/ProgLang/sml-75.tar.Z

Regards 
 Robert Stabl.

-- 
              Robert Stabl    email: stabl@informatik.uni-muenchen.de
Computer Science Institute
      University of Munich      Tel: +(49) 89 2180 6316
           Leopoldstr. 11B      FAX: +(49) 89 2180 5246
        D-8000 Muenchen 40
                   Germany
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:37:35 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca


Just installed my 3.0 upgrade today. Amidst all the wonders, there are a  
few things that have me pulling my hair out.

In the 3View demo, I can't seem to use the virtual trackball thingy to  
rotate the rendering around. It just moves from side to side. This is  
probably my fault, since I have seen this work in a demo. Does anyone have  
the magic secret to this? I haven't been able to find it in the docs.

I thought Icon in 2.0 was bad, but IconBuilder is even worse. OK, so it's  
supported, and it doesn't crash. But, there does not seem to be a way to  
work in different compositing modes, and I can't seem to get a scrolling  
background (given by command-1 in Icon) so that you can see the  
transparency in the image. If these features are somehow supported, I eat  
my words. If not, they have turned a buggy but useful program into one  
that is stable but... 

                     -->> TOTALLY %&$^%$&#* USELESS! <<--



Why has AppInspector gone from a development tool to a demo? This was one  
of the most useful tools they provided. Perhaps 3rd parties don't like  
having their apps inspected? ;-)

Some good things... The HeaderViewer app is an absolute dream come true. 
And, Terminal Services... YES!

A pity there aren't more 3D demos. I'd love to be able to show off the 3D  
kit to my friends in a more meaningful way, and to see what the shaders  
look like. No great loss, though. 

The UI designers have gone mad with useless icons; the "Compose" window in  
Mail is really ugly, particularly in monochrome. The lips in "Lip Service"  
look like they belong to an overweight grouperfish with an overbite.

Links are cool, and trivial to add to existing programs. I like this very  
much; it's totally in the NeXTSTEP spirit. 

Overall, the real winners with 3.0 seem to be the developers... this, of  
course, will trickle down to the users eventually. What a pleasure it is  
to develop for a computer made by a company that actually cares about the  
mental health of its developer community! And, the package as a whole has  
a very solid, professional feel to it, from the artwork on the disk to the  
superbly smooth installation procedure. Merely opening it inspired renewed  
confidence in NeXT. If NS486 is this good, it should definitely cause a  
stir. 

That's about all that comes to mind right now. Hope this provokes some  
discussion.

-Anthony
From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:19:11 GMT
Reply-To: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us
Organization: Simson Garfinkel and Associates, Inc.

In article <SCOTT.92Sep4230802@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
writes:
> Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
> like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read

I think that comments like these are nasty and uncalled for.  I really  
appreciate Jack posting the information and wish that more vendors would do so.

I also like it being posted in RTF.  Makes it easier to read.
-- 

................................................................simson
From: dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: X for 3.0?
Keywords: X, NeXTSTEP 3.0
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:09:18 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

Hello, NS3.0 users!

Do you know if there is an X server for 3.0? The old one doesn't seem to 
work under 3.0 PR2.

Thanks in advance,

Dimitri
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+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dimitri Tischenko | D.B.Tischenko@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL |   NeXTmail preferred!  |
+---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Delft University of Technology        | Technische Universiteit Delft        |
| Fac Applied Math & Computer Science   | Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica   |
| The Netherlands                       | Nederland                            |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: wort@midway.uchicago.edu (Don Wortham)
Subject: NeXTSTEP on 486SLC2?
Organization: Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:10:28 GMT

Although IBM swears that its 386 and 486 SLC are fully Intel compatible, 
I'm curious if this is so.  Anyone know if the long-awaited NeXTSTEP
port to Intel 486 platforms will run on the IBM 486SLC chip?  Rumors are
acceptable.

Thanks.

Don Wortham
wort@midway.uchicago.edu
From: modman@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Keywords: SUBMIT to csna
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:36:04 GMT
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <1992Sep11.014829.29069@wam.umd.edu> kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong  
O'Gara) writes:
> In article <1992Sep6.143548.9709@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes:
> >In article <873@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
> >writes:
> >Feature Comparison
> >........
> >
> >Thanks for the information.  I have been wondering about theses features and  
> >while I agree, your post may be self-serving and not follow netiquette  
rules- I  
> >find it much more informative and useful than a most of the bickering and  
> >moaning I have to wade through to ACTUALLY find useful stuff.  Please keep  
it  
> >up.
> 
> I agree.  Glenn, keep up your informative postings.  Hell, submit them to
> c.s.n.announce.

I agree that Glenn and RBS should post things that are commercial in nature
to CSNAnnounce.  RightBrain has had a history of posting directly
to other groups, where CSNAnnounce should/would/could do the
trick.  This is one of the reason he and RB have a history that
tastes bad in the mouths of some...

> Cheers...
> 
> -- 
>   James F.X. O'Gara
>   kkw@wam.umd.edu
> 
> P.S.  I don't usually leave postscriptums, but I'll make this an exception.

Todd Nathan
CSNA Moderator
From: todd@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: How can I turn off the menus altogether?
Keywords: WOW use the preferences
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:44:35 GMT
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <BuFFFq.KLJ@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> I would like to use only the menu mouse button for accessing menus,
> but I can't find a way in 2.1 to make the menus (that default to
> appearing in the upper left of the screen) just turn off altogether.
> I've tried moving them to the extreme lower right of the screen, but
> they still show up a little and Mathematica's menu shows up quite a
> bit more than any other app (v2.0.4.5 Mma).
> 
> In 3.0, can menus be turned off independantly of position on the
> screen?  Has anyone come up with a way to have the same effect as
> turning the menus off (except for hitting the menu mouse button)
> in 2.1?
> 
> Thanks.
> -- 
> -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
> -- No NeXTmail please

To make the menus 'totally' go away, you use the preferences mouse
module.  When you are in preferences select from the horz scrollView
the mouse cell.  Then grab the prferences menu in the upper left
corner of it and drag it down to the bottom right corner.  If you work
it right, you will not even see the last pixel of the menu...  Then
from that point on (after you log back in) you will have all new
programs running with their menus not even around.  I have been
doing this for 1.5 years and don't know why it is not a 'setting'
in NS...  It is the first thing I change when using someone
elses account, when helping them that is...


Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: Scheme ported to NeXT
In-reply-to: award@dreamland.rice.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 16:14:52 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:04:10 GMT

In article <Bu0Fst.LEr@rice.edu> award@dreamland.rice.edu (Andrew M. Ward) writes:

??
? Has anybody ported SCHEME to the NeXT?  If so, is there an FTP site where it ? can befound?  I need a version of MIT or ``Che'' Scheme.  The gnuemacs version  
? does not seem to be a good fit. 

I had ported a garden variety MIT scheme 7.1 last year (with help from
the MIT Scheme Team). But now there is a 
NeXT-version available, developed by Max Hailperin and Chris Kane at
Gustavus Adolphus College, under the Name of SCHEMATIK. 
You can ftp it from ftp.gac.edu. 
It runs both as an interpreter and a 68040 compiler, and a
SICP-compatible version (" MIT 6.001") is available as a loadable
band.  It supports both X-graphics and Postscript graphics, ad I can
highly recommend it!

--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark:  Those are hangin' words
Keywords: NICE JOB JACK Maybe Glenn should put in jail now
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:23:20 GMT

Jack,

Way to go.  Are you trying to say you used Glenn's
machine for your post?  And that your boss is a fool?
Well being that he allowed you to do what you did,
and not defend his company, himself or you I would
say you have done wrong.  That isn't even covering the
issue of the questionable intent of the post.

Todd


---- begin first 2 paragraphs of post from jack reynolds @ rightbrain -------
While Glenn has been working hard to get the software out the door, others have  
been assembling this comparison.

If you'd like to know more, fire an email to reynolds@rightbrain.com because  
the reply address on this post is to Glenn's account, not mine.  He disabled my  
machine from posting (but was foolish enough to leave his machine logged in and  
unattended!).

jack
---- end first 2 paragraphs of post from jack reynolds @ rightbrain -------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: mmelling@Trirex.com(Michael Mellinger)
Subject: Re: ML for the NeXT??
Organization: Trirex Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:41:18 GMT

In article <SAWADA.92Sep5145837@etlpom.etl.go.jp> sawada@etlpom.etl.go.jp  
(Toshimi sawada) writes:
> I think the original poster is looking for SML(Standard ML) language
> implementation, NOT a Machine Language. 
> 
> BTW, I also want the info. about SML, was "Standard ML of New Jersey"
> ported to the NeXT, or are there any others?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

ML is available on the NeXT from same ftp site where the other Unix  
platfroms.  Perhaps research.att.com.  I'm no longer on the Internet so I  
can't check.

-Mike
From: fxmlk@acad3.alaska.edu (KIENENBERGER MIKE L)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: VirtSpace (mini -review)
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Sep12.011232.15694@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes...
> 
>This is one neat App.  Do you have 12 Stuart windows open  
>on 5 different hosts?  Does it take a minute to find the  
>lastest Edit window you were working on?  Do you often have  
>FrameMaker, Diagram, and Adobe Illustrator all running with  
>a hoard of windows each.If you are the sort of person who  
>has 6 different apps open all the time, and are constantly  
>rummaging around trying to find the window that you were  
>working on; if you are the sort of person who wishes he had  
>a wall instead of a monitor; if your screen looks like your  
>desk, with only 3 square inches of grey background visible  
>most of the time, then shell out your thirty bucks and get  
>VirtSpace
> 
>VirtSpace allows you to create a virual screen arbitrarily  
>larger than the real screen, and spread out apps all over  
>the place.  So you can have one corner where you are  
>working on backup scripts and testing them, another corner  
>where your default file viewer and mail box lives, another  
>corner where you are compiling and testing xntpd, and the  
>fourth corner where you have terminal sessions onto other  
>hosts.
> 
>The interface is fairly easy to master, however I am having  
>to change how I organize my screen.  Often clicking on an  
>active icon makes one of that apps windows the key window,  
>but that window isn't on the screen.  This was a bit  
>mystifying at first, but I'm adapting quickly.
> 
>The authors are very responsive to suggestions, and  
>questions about the program.
> 
>In the space of half a day VirtSpace has gone from a new  
>toy to an absolute necessity.
> 
>Highly recommended.  

At the risk of sounding cheap, what's the difference between this
and the free version (no version number just C 1992) given out
a few months ago? [Don't get me wrong. This program was worth paying
shareware fees...I'm just feeling cheap this month after paying tuition.]

=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
From: modman@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Keywords: can you say limited job security.  csna is where you can find it
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:53:14 GMT
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <1992Sep14.210413.16164@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
> 
> Ok,
> 	How 'bout this as a solution:
> 
> 	Drop c.s.n.announce. Allow 'advertising' in  
> c.s.n.marketplace.  Marketplace is where you blow your own  
> horn offering software/services etc.  Reviews from third  
> parties still show up in .software.

Well, I have a couple of responses to this.  First off on the
surface it seems like a quick and easy solution.  But consider
the point of the charters.  Get them if you don't have 'em.

Reviews should not be in software, because what about firmware,
hardware, mindshare and paperware...  That is not what csnsoftware
is about.

As for the dumping of csna.  Well I have quite a few posts to me
that state they read only csna because they want to know what
is new.  So dumping csna and distributing the locations will
only make matters worse, not better.

Regards,

Todd Nathan
csna modman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: WordPerfect planning new NeXT release
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:24:46 GMT


Brent McKinley (Unix Marketing at WordPerfect)left me voice mail last week,  
while I was out frolicking in the north woods.  Here are the salient points:

1)  WP has decided to release their next functional release (I will
    call WP6.0, although Brent did not name names) on the NeXT.  It
    has been deemed technically economical, demanded by the market,
    and consistent with their business plans.  I guess this is 
    marketing-speak for a 'possible-money maker'.   I guess I can
    thank the network for your response to my earlier postings about this.

    WP6.0 will be a superset of WP1.0.1 on the NeXT, and WP5.1 on DOS,
    VMS, et al.  6.0 will be object-oriented (no definition from
    Brent as how he means to use the term), will be based on a 
    portable 'engine' with system specific front-ends, and will be
    designed throughout for complete support of new UI technologies
    (Windows, Mac, X, NeXTstep, pen-based, etc.)

2)  The time frame for the NeXT release is 1993, not 1992.  Brent
    'is optimistic the release date will be earlier than orginally thought.'
    Brent has originally estimated a late 1993 release date for 6.0
    on the NeXT, if it were released at all.

    No deployment order was discussed.  In the past, WP has made it clear that
    WP6.0 will be deployed in a tight, but staggered release across platforms,
    with Windows being the first platform targetted, then Mac, and
    the others following after.  The staggered release is required
    to minimize the impact on logistics.  

3)  Brent is working hard to have his WP/Unix group get on the network.
    WP/VMS is now on the net (via DECUServe), and Brent wants to institute
    discussions with his marketplace in a more timely fashion, rather than
    phone tag, non-disclosures, and trade shows.

4)  Brent is off to Europe this month (September).  Gordon Mallah is manning
    the fort with regards to NeXT-related issues.  You can contact him
    via phone at (801) 228 7284.

With that said, it still appears WordPerfect is at least a year behind the  
market, both on Windows, and on the NeXT.   The question is, will WP6.0
leapfrog the technologies in place, without leaving it's former cashcows
(DOS on low-end PCs) stuck in the mud?  In the NeXT arena, will apps
like Pages and PasteUp provide rote word-processing support in an easy to use,  
stable, and supported fashion?  Is Word 5.0 still too Mac-like under Executor?

Should Jack Reynolds go consult with WP marketing on how to 'effectively market
to the Internet?'

later...

- Geoff
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep7.141911.7951@next.cambridge.ma.us>  
simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:
>>In article <SCOTT.92Sep4230802@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
>>writes:
>>> Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
>>> like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read
>>
>>I think that comments like these are nasty and uncalled for.  I really  
>>appreciate Jack posting the information and wish that more vendors would do  
so.
>>
>>I also like it being posted in RTF.  Makes it easier to read.
>>-- 
>>
>>.................................................................simson

Ahhhhhhhhh...At last something besides courier 12 point!  Ditto on all of  
simson's points :-)

--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:41:04 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Sep4230802@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
writes:
> In article <873@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>,
> 	glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid), who is being portrayed
> 	by Jack Reynolds, writes:
> >While Glenn has been working hard to get the software out the door,
> >others have been assembling this comparison.
> >
> >If you'd like to know more, fire an email to reynolds@rightbrain.com
> >because the reply address on this post is to Glenn's account, not
> >mine.  He disabled my machine from posting (but was foolish enough
> >to leave his machine logged in and unattended!).
> 
> <large RTF posting omitted>
> 
> Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
> like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read
> these groups (apparently not), but Netnews is _not_ there for
> companies to make profit from.  Self-serving advertisements
> certainly qualify as commercial for-profit usage. 

I agree with Scott on this.  For those who don't agree, prepare to see  
comp.sys.next turned into the marketting venue for any NeXT developer with  
half a brain.  They'd have to be stupid to pass up a free advertising  
medium, assuming we're all happy to give it to them.  Jack has already had  
one go-around posting ads to comp.sys.next.advocacy, and apparently had such  
fun with that that he's taking his marketting campaign to other newsgroups.

I'd love information on NeXT products, but I'd have much more faith in any  
product comparisons if they were produced by someone who didn't have such a  
vested interest in the product.  

Given that PasteUp sees fit to compare PageMaker and Quark, certainly it  
would be fair for their advertising departments to come up with their own  
ads to post to comp.sys.next.*.  Is that what we really want to get out of  
our usenet newsgroups?

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (Nick Christopher)
Subject: Re: 2.x Icon.app under 3.0 - NOT!!
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:10:59 GMT

Just so you know 1.x Icon does not work either :-)

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