HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:28:04 GMT

In article <dfs.712285394@data> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>
>[...]
>>``Mississippi Burning''--an inflammatory and fraudulent
>>propaganda piece produced on behalf of the ADL by
>>Hollywood to support the hate crimes statutes.
>
>Perhaps you'd care to document your charge that the movie
>was 'fraudulent?'  It's hard to imagine how a fictional movie
>could be called 'fraudulent.'

As a lawyer, I have no trouble imagining a fact situation in which a
fictional work of art could be fraudulent. Imagine a case in which the 
movie company misrepresented the nature of the film (by, for example,
touting it as an accurate presentation of FBI's role in the civil-rights
struggle in the South) in order to induce you to buy a ticket to see it.

Note: I have not seen "Mississippi Burning," so I have no opinion as to
whether it is fraudulent or not.


--Mike




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From: ccb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Chris B.)
Subject: Donahue
Reply-To: ccb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:37:13 GMT


	Donahue will be hosting a show tomorrow with the topic:
What teens think about gays.  Should be interesting.  
:)
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pheobe B. Peabody - Beebe ( Was Re: British Pronounciation
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:08:59 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1992Jul20.232129.12205@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Reminds me: the most interesting name I know, one that
>contains Peabody pronounced as above:
>
>	Phoebe B. Peabody-Beebe

She married Lucius Beebe, who invented the bathyscaph or some such
oceanographic thing. She was involved in philanthropy of some sort.
(My dad told me about this) She built a canal in a park somewhere
for canoeists.

Dad would have me in stitches telling me about
Phoebe B. Peabody-Beebe and her New Canoe Canal.

I named a parakeet after her.

ER
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Engineer bashing
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:09:58 GMT

In article <l6u85lINNe31@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>When I was in college, the scientists and engineers had to take 
>about as many courses in the humanities as I had to take in the 
>sciences.  (And I do hope you don't count English Comp as a 
>*humanities* course.)  I have heard comments about this extra burden
>on engineering and science students more than a few times around here, 
>but it doesn't really hold up to any kind of scrutiny.  What a chemistry 
>student feels about the intro to American lit course she's forced to 
>take is pretty close to what a literature student feels about the general 
>chemistry course he's forced to take.

I sing this song from time to time, but when I do, by "burden" I don't
mean the student's actual classload, but the pressure society places
on them to take other courses.  A chemistry major who hasn't taken any
literature courses is thought of as having a narrow education, but it
seems like no one thinks twice about an English major who hasn't taken
any science courses.

That's what gets my dander up.  You mean I'm not "well-rounded"
because I haven't studied enough humanities for your liking?  Come
back to me when you've taken mechanics, logic, and statistics.  Now
THERE are three courses everyone should be required to take.

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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Children
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:44:10 GMT
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1992Jul28.184058.10246@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>
>>An interesting problem in the United States is that parents believe
>>that it is their right and privilege (hey RY, check out the spelling,
>>dude!) to be the sole determinant of the their child's values.
>
> [splendid stuff about the need to *require* education about sex
> and sexuality for all children for the good of society whether
> their parents like it or not...deleted]
>
>What he said!

I felt the same way too.  I guess the only way I want to influence
the values of my children is to ensure no one imposes on thier 
decision processes the values that the fundies are pushing.



     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.151419.9622@osf.org>, coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> In article <1992Jul31.015210.22308@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> >   Color me clueless (or married), but I didn't see much going
> > on -- well maybe I did see grandmama being a bit naughty :-)
> 
> "Married" didn't stop some of us, love. You just have to pay more
> attention. :-)

  Oh. I guess I need attention lessons. Is there a secret? Would
you be willing to share?
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: the b-word
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:36:42 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>Twee Pope, conveniently forgetting that 'seperation of church and
>state' crap again (BTW, the con is lovely! Sim looks like Jesus would
>if he were a '90's queer,

Or so I've been told...but when my hair loses shape and falls over my face
I'm told I look more like Cousin It.  Many said I looked least like everyone
expected, whatever that means.

>Nelson is *TALL*,

Very, and quite cute, too.

>and I'm just *wild* about
>Harry!!! There's a dearth of chicks, though...)

Three eventually showed.  Wish there were more...

Had a fabulous time!

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: rgaudre@triton.unm.edu (Ron Gaudreau)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: G/L Youth Suicide
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


 After reading several postings on this subject, I thought I would add
my two cents worth. One thing that has not been said is the subject of
confidentiality. Maybe our counseling department in our city is different
but when I gave a workshop to them on the subject of bi/gay/lesbian youth,
they had said that they would, maybe not after the first visit, but that they
would eventually call the young person's parents and tell them that
they wanted to see them about their child; or the young person could
tell their parents.

When I heard this, I was totally outrage. This is blackmail, pure and simple.
Tell your parents or we will. And where's the confidentially; the trust that
a young person put into this meeting. I believe that confidentially is
number one when it comes to this type of thing, whether it a counseling
office or a hotline or talking to another adult about your feelings or
problems.

Anyway, thats it for now. If I get some more time, maybe I'll post some
more thoughts on this subject.

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From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:08:24 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) wrote...
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>>homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
>>hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)
>
>Why Hon, there are plenty of us around.  There even happen to be alot
>of us on soc.bi.  When you visit your local gay bars and clubs you will
>probably see more of us, but what happens is your mono mind magics us
>into gays.  

Me too! (Scrunch, Scrunch <sounds of stereotype being jumped up and down on.>)

I believe Susie Bright's name would belong here too.  (Her new book is
quite good by the way.)

Ellen
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sappho Etiquette (was Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, etc.)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:14:53 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <92204.165140IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T.  Murphy) writes:

>i'm shocked that someone would actually suggest getting onto
>sappho under false pretenses.  FJ, i'm ashamed of you...

I'm not ashamed of him and I'm not shocked, but I hope no
one will try what he suggested.

>TSes are allowed on sappho as long as the are living as
>female.  men are not allowed to either read or post to
>sappho,

>and it is a breach of sappho ettiquette to show any sappho
>mail to a man without asking permission of the poster first.
>sappho is meant to be wimminspace, pure and simple.

One of my closest friends who used to be fairly active on
sappho mentioned the care nearly all list participants take
to observe this etiquette.  It seemed to me a very good
idea.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: G/L Youth Suicide
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:57:20 GMT

> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>
>Also, the rather isolated town of Burwell, NE (pop. about 1500)
>has had three teen male suicides in recent months.  As usual, every 
>possibility is considered except the obvious......

Oh...this reminds me of a recent murder in Oakland -- where
an unmarried, 27-year-old, soft-spoken, loved-by-everyone,
white man was beaten to death by a group of black men while
walking to his car after an AIDS benefit concert.

Police are "baffled" by the case, and think the only possible
reason for the attack can be "black racism"...
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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *BIG* *RED* *JOBS*
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: dfpedro@uswnvg.com.UUCP (Donn F. Pedro)
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1992Jul28.154126.15013@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
:From the keyboard of henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch):
:
::* Unix tools experience (csh, make, awk or perl,
:
:The csh is not a Unix tool.  It's an abomination.

A stick is a tool, if used properly.




     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: HIV- cases of full blown AIDS?
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:47:22 GMT

In article <1309@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>In article <1dfmv+l.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>"AIDS" stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.  It's the name for a
>
>Oops, in a moment of sleepiness I posted that AIDS was Auto-Immune...,
>of course, Jack is right, it's Acquired Immune..., to differentiate
>it from being born without an active immune system. 

I was sure that it was, rather than an acquired deficiency as David
suggests, a deficiency in the acquired immune system, which is all
the immunity you get by having had something rather than the far
more limit immunities you're born with.

Hmm.

Kate
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Christians & Homosexuals: Who are the bigots?
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:08:18 GMT

sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff) writes:

>What happens if you're both?  Do you get ammunition from both
>sides?  Do both refuse to claim you?

Often, yes, sadly.

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: PBS Has New Sponsor for "Great Performances"
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:28:34 GMT

Tom Barrett (tdbear@tandon.com) wrote:
 
> [attribution to Rod Williams (?) lost:]
> >Duracell Inc., the battery manufacturer, will replace
> >Texaco as a corporate underwriter of PBS's "Great
> >Performances" series
> 
> ...I suddenly have this urge to go out and buy "tons" of
> Duracells... of course, those "other" good batteries that I have
> lying about might make a good donation to a local senior
> center or other such group.

Why not give them to the Boy Scouts?  They
probably need to replace all their Duracells.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:53:46 GMT

aasos@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Dimensional X) writes:

> I HATE GAY MEN.

Mmm.  Indeed.

>An article from "WAKE uP QUEERS OR WE'RE ALL THROUGh" leaflet passed out a NYC  
>Gay Pride. Published by Anonymous Queers June 1992.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Says heaps, doesn't it?

--Brent
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:36:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul22.013626.14792
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul22.004230.26173@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>I think the notion that these morons got propositioned by anyone at
>>the march is as likely as Frank Rizzo being reincarnated as a drag queen.
>Steve, but do you know anything about the specific case?
>I ask, because your dismissal of their claims of being sexually
>harassed sounds an *awful* lot like the way women's claims of being
>sexually harassed or raped are frequently ignored.

<Snort>

There's a big difference: they're not women, and the situation is
not symmetrical.

>Do you know something beyond the general description of the situation
>that was given?

It's called experience, young fellator.
(We can duke this out this coming weekend...)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:10:23 GMT

In article <92210.131642IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
>wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
>little enough gayspace in the world as it is...  

I don't want gayspace I want people space, its not that there is
to little gay space its that there is to much straight space.
Making exclusive gay space only makes the fight for equality
harder.

>i'll be
>perfectly happy for all-gay groups to stop "discriminating"
>against hets when suitable laws are passed on a national level
>banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, preference,
>whathaveyou.  until then, drive on...

And why do you think that the straight people who are already
supporting us should be punished for the actions of others?

Sorry I don't go in for this group responsibility BS, each
individual is responsible for there actions alone.

I'm not going to join a club thats going to say that some of
my friends can't come in because of the way they where born,
black, straight, female, etc.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:30:35 GMT

  >  I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.
  >I just think that they have much less understanding of discrimination
  >than any other group.

  What do you suppose would happen if I posted an equivalent statement, such
as:

  "I don't think that black males are inherently bad people.  I just think
that they have much less understanding of.... (fill in the blank)"

  If I said such a thing (and of course I don't, except as a hypothetical
example to make a point), I would be roasted alive on the net, and properly
so.
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British Pronounciation
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:18:53 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <91654@bu.edu> I wrote:

>In article <2a6ad8a8@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) guides
>us all through the pitfalls of British pronunciation:

>>>Leicester          LEST-er (not LIE-sester or something)
[...]

Steve Dyer:
>>In other words, identical to the way we pronounce them in Massachusetts.

>Except that many natives absolutely refuse to pronounce the final "r"s:

>e.g. Worcester		WIST-a [...]

>Not to mention:

>Marlborough		MOLL-bro [...]
>Provincetown		P-TOWN


And I absolutely forgot the one name that causes the most problems:

Woburn			WOO-bin

Most non-natives either pronounce it "WOE-burn", "WAW-burn". Who can
figya?

Brian
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:28:34 GMT

In article <nkghems@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <archer.127@utkux1.utk.edu> archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>
>libertarianism would give white heterosexual males the freedom to return
>to the exploitive days of the past.

This has nothing to do with race, gender, sexuality.  It is becoming rather
typical that this particular group is blamed for anything bad that
was/is/will-be.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rjbodkin@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Ronald Bodkin)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
	<1992Jul24.171336.24814@amhux2.amherst.edu>
	<1992Jul24.203833.28750@decvax.dec.com>
	<1992Jul24.212423.7178@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.212423.7178@news2.cis.umn.edu> elliott@a8.ima.umn.edu (Frank Elliott) writes:
   Are you saying the fact that swm's benefit unfairly from this inequality is
   of no importance?  Isn't receiving stolen goods a criminal act if the recipient
   is aware that they were stolen?

	The appropriate analogy is having a competitor's business
burned down by thugs.  It is clearly criminal if _you_ do it, but if
you are not involved, you will probably benefit and that is not
criminal.  The whole point is that moral culpability requires some
volitional action.

	Indeed, if disempowered groups decide that attacking SWM's is
jim-dandy, don't you forsee a backlash?  I for one am able to overlook
the few bigots here who have slandered me, and realize that not
everyone who is gay (since that seems to be the origin of the attack
in these threads) is offensive.  Many people will not take that
attitude.  Fighting for rights doesn't start by trampling innocents.

		Ron
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:31:10 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <92204.171130IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T.
Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>when i was taking katy with me to wilde-stein meetings
>and other gay functions, she was in danger of being spoiled
>rotten, from the attention all the guys were giving her.  but then,
>none of the guys i know are as political as the guys on the net either,
>so i guess it evens out...

I dunno, Ailsa, I'm pretty political and I *love* babies
(but she's 5 or 6, isn't she?).  They usually like me, which
is probably the reason I like them.

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