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From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: re: Blue light blues
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:47:26 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network
Cc: mla

In article <1992Dec18.123416.23937@athena.mit.edu> boudreau@athena.mit.edu (Carol V Boudreau) writes:

> I live in a small town with about 25 firefighters on the volunteer
> department.  Every few months or so, someone brings up the idea
> of having rotating lights for their personal vehicles to use
> when responding to the hall for a fire.  It is almost always 
> someone whom the sane people on the department consider to be
> reckless.  It seems from my observations, that it is always
> someone who feels they need to speed and have rights to disobey
> traffic regulations that wants lights.  I have found that if you
> are a sensible driver and are careful, you can still be one of
> the first responders.  Having lights only encourages people to
> drive recklessly.  They feel that they have a right to cut 
> people off and speed through stop signs etc.  The five or ten
> seconds they save will certainly be lost when they wipe out
> someone else's car in a turn or worse wipe out a pedestrian.
> My recommendation would further be that all firefighters 
> participate in some kind of defensive driving program before
> they are allowed to respond to the fire hall for fires.  As
> we can see by some of the recent postings here, there are too
> many people willing to sacrifice lives, for an extra 5 or 10
> seconds that won't help anyone.  If they really think that
> time is important, perhaps they should spend more time
> practicing something like donning SCBA or pulling hose,
> things that can save time, but won't kill anybody.
> 
Let's try followup one more time...don't know what happened to the
first attempt........

I'm a first-aider with my local volunteer first aid sqaud.  Our rules
allow any senior member to resond with a blue light.  NJ law aslo
states that you MUST yield the rigth of way to a blue OR red flashing
light.  Now, yes some of our members due drive carelessly, but most of
us don't.  In fact as part of our training we must take an 8 hour
National Safety Council (NSC) Defensive Driving course every three years,
we must also take the NSC Coaching the Emergency Vehicle
Operator-Ambulance (CEVO-A) course every three years.

The main reason I have a light is that when I'm responding to a life
threatning call using due caution, it can help.  Also when I respond
to the scene of an MVA the ligth helps to make my car more visisble.

Light can help, but only when used responsibly and WHEN needed.

Marc
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:24:00 -0800
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Please reply to me if this mail gets through.  We are having problems sending
mail to bitnet addresses.

It is getting return to me.

Mike
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:52:00 GMT
From:         Daniel Burstein <0001964967@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      motorola question

On a different matter concerning Motorola:

 Over the last two years there have been numerous reports
and investigations regarding allegations that Atlanta
gov't type folk were accepting "presents" from Motorola

  These people were in positions to decide which radio systems
would be purchased.

  So.... my question out there:  Has anyone else heard
of similar charges against Motorola (or other radio vendors)
in other areas?

   Please email me directly.

thanks
Danny

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From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: What are a firefighter's duties?
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:47:45 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network
Cc: mla

In article <18171@bcars664.bnr.ca> hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) writes:

> In article <724065741.AA26128@remote.halcyon.com>,
> John.Linko@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko) writes:
> |>Haven't you guys ever heard of FIRE POLICE?
> 
> No, not in any detail.  how does that system work?

The fire police in my town direct traffic at fire scenes, assist in
traffic control at MVA's, or wherever the police need them.  In
addition they can issue a summons for parking in fire zones.

Marc
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From: abcs3500@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Murphy's Law of EMS
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: abcs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

A couple colleages and I were bored one night during a shift and put together 
this list.  Any generalized additions are gladly appreciated, and I will
add them to my list for our future reference  (Please respond by Sat. 12/19,
because I leave for break on Monday and my account will be deactivated).   

Bill
SAVAC

            MURPHY'S LAW OF EMS
                   or
        What to do to get a call (whether you want one or not).

1.   go to dinner
1a.  get an ice cream sundae for dessert
1b.  go to Pizza Hut 
2.   take off your boots
3.   make up your bunk for the night
3a.  go to bed
4.   take a trip to the bathroom
4a.  take a shower
5.   watch your favorite TV show, like R-911, COPS, On-Scene, etc.
	(videotaped shows do not count!)
5a.   you do not have the VCR set to tape (just in case)
6.    do [home]work
6a.   boot-up the computer
7.    threaten to go off-duty
8.    beeper coitus interuptus (need I say more?)
 	         
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:10:33 PST
From:         THE ENFORCER <PKIRKPATRICK@INTEL9.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Junior Firefighter programs

I am a officer of a rural VFD of about 50 members running fire and rescue. We
have a very simple Jr. program in my dept. The juniors are allowed to do
anything a regular member can except enter an active fireground until mop-up.
Our definition for an active fireground for the juniors is anyplace you may
need an SCBA ( IC's descretion). Jr's are allowed to work brush fires,
safety/exposure lines, MVA's, pumps and EMS calls (no patient contact). Our
idea behind the Jr program is simple... have them trained so when they turn
18 they are ready to go. During trainings the JR's can do anything, including
live burns as long as they are closly supervised by a trainer.

The JR's have a simple "contract" with the dept:
        1: No lights, sirens or any type of emergency responce to the scene.

        2: School grades must be maintained at C or better. No school no F.D.

        3: Cannot ride on a First out vehicle if there are full firefighters
           without a seat.

        4: Must report to IC on arrival at a scene.

        5: No entry to the active fireground.

These are the main points. The JR and his/her parents must sign this contract.
Our lawyer and insurance company have agreeded to these rules and they have
worked out quite well. The rules are enforced by all members and any violation
results in a 90 day suspension or dismissal. Most of our JR's that have become
full members are now playing key roles n our dept. 2 have become engineers,
a couple EMT's and a few diehard firefighters.

Our dept has been real lucky with weeding out the JR's just in it for the show,
too bad we can't do that with full members as easily.

PS. NEW MEXICO POV's are alowed to use LAS. Red- required on all emerg vehicles
    Blue- towtrucks and as a secondary to emerg vehicles, Amber- anybody and
    the fabulous road dept. White- emerg vehicles.

Any questions e-mail me direct

Pat

CORRALES VFD
CORRALES, NEW MEXICO
CHIEF ENGINEER, FF, EMT-B, ASST TRAINING OFF, AND HAZMAT TOO!!

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From: myersj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeffrey William Myers)
Subject: Ambulance Accident Prevention Seminar  1/23/93
Keywords: AAPS, driver safety, Emergency Vehical Operations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:49:36 GMT

Hello!

   An Ambulance Accident Prevention Seminar Course is being offered on
Saturday, January 23, 1993 in Rensselaer County in New York State's
Capital District Area.  The seminar is an eight hour NYS*EMS Continuing
Education course which teaches the principles of safe emergency driving.
While the word "Ambulance" is in the title, these principles apply to
ALL emergency vehicles, not just ambulances.  The course fee is $35,
payable at the door, however preregistration is required.

If you wish to register for the course or have any further questions, 
please e-mail me at myersj@rpi.edu over the internet.  Please include
your name, address, day and night-time phone numbers and squad affiliation
(if any).  I will return confirmation of your registration and directions,
etc. to the course.

Jeff Myers
NYS AEMT-Intermediate
AAPS-Instructor
From: Dale.Lamont@f321.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Dale Lamont)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Driving habits.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:25:00 -0800

  Steve,
      I hate to say this but, I think that you missed what I meant.

 >Not quite correct Dale, get a copy of the NSW Traffic Act, section 4A
deals
 >with speed limits and rules of the road, 4A(7) goes on to say;
 >
 >"The provisions of this section shall not apply to the driver of
 >
 >a) any motor vehicle whilst conveying a member of the police force on
 >urgent duty;
 >
 >b) any fire engine, reel or other similar vehicle whilst proceeding to
a
 >fire;
 >
 >c) any ambulance vehicle whilst proceeding to the scene of an accident
or
 >to a hospital with an injured person; or
 >
 >d) any vehicle referred to in paragraphs (a) (b) or (c) whilst
proceeding
 >to any place to deal with an emergency."

    When I made my statement to Regina I was reffering to Volunteers,
responding to a call under lights in the own vehicles. If this is the
case in NSW then I hope that people are responsable in there driving.

    CYL.....................

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From: 11nmcdevitt@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Dormitory fires..
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:22:25 GMT

Related to Dormitory fires, 

At Gallaudet University, The World's only Liberal Arts college for the deaf,
we have a mixture of bells, and high-intensity strobe lights. 

Problem is that some people are either heavy-duty sleepers, meaning that they
would sleep through a nuclear attack and wonder what the heck happened when
they wake up. So obviously, the bells are no good, and strobes are ineffective.


Our SRA's will fine you if you are caught sleeping through a fire alarm, so
so one wants to get fined.  Any suggestions?

                                               Neil J. McDevitt Jr.

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800 FLORIDA AVENUE N.E.
WASHINGTON D.C., 20002-3695             Your usual disclaimer...
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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOULUNTEER FD AND LIG
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:42:00 -0800

SS>>KA>Can't say that I do. First of all, I don't think you really gain
enough
  >>KA>time using them on POV to justify the risk, especially in a
suburban or

SS>>Has anyone done any "real" studies on this issue?  I would be
  >>interested in their conclusions.

I doubt it. I was speaking from personal experience.


SS>>Kevin, Missouri is a right good step away from Manhattan, so I
haven't
  >>the faintest idea of what traffic is like there.  But,  Columbia is
  >>probably pretty typical of MOST urban/suburban response patterns.

I know Missouri. I lived in KC for two years. I think the same would
hold true there also

  >>things on occasion.  But, in the 25 years I've been chasin' smoke,
I've
  >>yet to be involved in, or the cause of an accident, either when I
was
  >>sitting in the left seat or during the past 14 years while someone
has
  >>driven me around.

Wish I could say the same but...... But then again I don't know anyone
who has actively worked the streets here for more than a year that
hasn't had a few.

I have five. Three while I was standing still and one got rear ended.
The fifth was a yellow bullet ( our affectionate name for NYC taxis )
who decided it would be a good idea to pull out into traffic while I
was
passing him. But in this town that's the nature of the beast.

TTYL

KMA


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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:00:46 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: P.P VENTILATION

Suzanne:

Yea, but I can understand their banning open burns for training in California
along the coast.  They have enough smog there as it is =)

Christophe
From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: REF MESSAGE #147
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:51:00 -0800

SS>>Numerous municipalities/districts do indeed bill those who reside
  >>outside their jurisdiction for services rendered.
  >>I will attempt to locate appropriate court findings, but this has
been
  >>supported in every court test I can recall off the top of my head. 
The
  >>gist of the decision is (and this is paraphrased simplistically),
since
  >>the individual in question is not a resident of the jurisdiction,
and
  >>pays no support for those services, they are not entitled, as such,
to
  >>the protection of those services gratis.

I think a case could be made that the community which is providing the
service wishes people from out of town to come in to patronize it's
merchants and businesses and is therefore responsible for providing
emergency services to all. Could you imagine the flap if a Police Dept.
told an non-resident they had to pay a fee for a police report if they
are robbed while  the town. Thats basically what your talking about.

Or in your case you would bill a non resident for extinguishing their
car when it caught on fire. I sorry, I can't see that happening.

Many of us have spent a good number of years in the attempt to have
This
profession recognized for what it is; the third Emergency Service. If
we
what that status then we have to behave accordingly. That means
providing service to all that need it without any type of
discrimination. And we ARE talking about financial discrimination.

Additionally, you would have to work around mutual aid agreements. The
out of town person lives in an adjoining town. That town regularly
provides mutual aid to your home town folks. Do you bill that
particular
person. No! Then your discriminating by billing anybody else. I think
you probably have not seen a legal decision on it because it probably
has not been fully litigated yet. But have no fear, in this society,
I'm
sure it eventually will be. Then we'll have our answer.

Regards

KMA

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From: cargian@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Cargian)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Rescue Pumper Designs
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:30:20 GMT
Organization: UB


	My department is looking towards preliminary research for a
new rescue pumper.  I know most of the basic configurations but I
am looking for something more.  As we try to keep our pieces similar
to help with training, this vehicle will be a 10-man cab with a
top mounted pump.  Since we don't want the pumper to be over 35ft
or so, we need to be creative about some of the storage compartments.
What I am really curious about, is storage above the hose bed.  I have
seen some departments that have compartments above the hose, but
it seems to close off the bed completely.  Any ideas or help would
be much appreciated.  Thanks.

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                                           Fire Department

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From:         "Kenneth P. Lager Jr." <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Vacation Time

To All,

        Ken Lager will be not be available until early February 1993.  I
just wanted to post a Snail-Mail address in case anyone needed to contact
me.  Thanks and have a joyous and SAFE holiday season.

Ken Lager
P.O. Box 86
Bradfordwoods, PA 15015
(412) 935-3617

:^)

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From:         Diana DeNearing <diana@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      pager answer.

What'sthe problem the professors have with tones? The pagers I and my
firefighter friend use makes beeps and tones all the time, and I have yet
to have a professor grumble about the noise, mainly because my pager gets
turned off within two beeps, and my friends is running down the hall with
him before the tones even finish. My mother carries a vibrate/noise pager,
and often forgets to transfer it from vibrate to noise when she goes to
bed. When she doesn't respond, then the phone rings, and she gets a 'talk
to' <she's an on-call pharmacist for a nursing home>. I suppose there are
advantages to both, but I would go with the beep pagers given the choice.

Diana
From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: training
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:30:27 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network
Cc: mla

In article <17DEC92.18843973.0009.MUSIC@IONA> CC28@IONA.BITNET (Howard Berkis - CC28) writes:

> Does anyone have any good ideas for training for a small bls
> volunteer corps, with little funds????
> 
> Also has anyone found a good way to get members to come to training
> meetings
> 
> any help would be appreciated
> 

We have drills scheduled once a month.  All active members (we have
about 45-50) MUST attend 2 medical emergency drills and 1 extrication
drill a year.

Some of the drill we have are:
		
	- Disaster scene & triage management
	- Radio procedures
	- The Hurst tool
	- Rapid takedown
	- Water emergencies

Marc
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From: myersj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeffrey William Myers)
Subject: Re: PFD FDNY list
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:17:37 GMT

Bob.Hagerty@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Hagerty) writes:

>This is a list of station loc.  Ex  E-1 T-5 R-5 BC-1   123 45th st 
> FDNY has the same  but i have freq. with it.
> Via SPITFIRE  - Alpha Version 3.3

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Bob, 
I'd like a copy of that list.. please send a message to me @ myersj@rpi.edu
and I'll send my snail mail address if you need it..  Thanks!

Jeff Myers
From: garys@teal.csn.org (Gary F. Stevens)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Pay (was: Multiple Memberships)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:04:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

>In article <kaufman.724265852@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>Just how are firefighters in all-volunteer jusisdictions paid?
>
>Well, in the two departments I've belonged to, one as a firefighter/EMT and
>one as a paramedic, I've not gotten anything at all. In fact, in my previous
>department, it cost me $6/year to serve...overtly, that is.

I am a member of North East Teller County Fire Protection District as well
as the Woodland Park ambulance service...

I got a turkey for Christmas from NETCFPD.... 

The ambulance service gives us $10/run for clothing, gas and stuff. 

I also volunteer at a local ER/clinic on Saturday nights. No Pay

If we got paid for this it would not be volunteer would it?

As far as multiple memberships.... Well I think it helps keep your
skills fresh, but it is easy to spread yourself real thin.

Gary F. Stevens FF1 / EMT-IV-Mast
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From: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Subject: Re: Arson Fire in dorms
Reply-To: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:22:38 GMT

Diana,

Along with Christophe's idea...

Columbia has a Fire Safety Office, but its affiliated with
University Security.  The security\police department at your
school should be another place to look in to.

Ken


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From: Jim.Henthorn@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Henthorn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Forced Air Hand Dryers -
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:53:00 -0800

On 12-10-92, U-e59382-david Neal said to All and I quote:

UN>From: neal@hp536.even.ge.com (U-E59382-David Neal)
UN> 
UN>The following is posted with the permission of the author.
... <Remainder deleted> ...

Thank you for the info.  Seems that people will find a way...  I'll be 
passing the information on to our Fire Investigation Division and
Training 
Academy.  I'd appreciate it if you could keep us posted on the outcome
of 
the tests and any information on obtaining copies of test results or 
copies of the video tape...

This is an example of how this echo can quickly spread the word about a

potiential problem for us all.

Capt. James Henthorn
Baltimore County Fire Department
Maryland.


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