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From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Subject: Re: How long will CO2 last?
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:52:35 GMT

In <1992Apr12.225112.6472@news.cso.uiuc.edu> erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena) writes:

>I have a question for all the aquarista using CO2 on their plant tanks.

>If I buy a 10 lb. bottle of CO2, approximately how long will it last? How can  
>I tell when I should refill it?

>--

>E r n e s t o   F.   B.   P e n a
>---------------------------------
>erno@uiuc.edu   NeXTmail accepted

In January and February I played around with a 10 lb. tank when I
started CO2 fertilization, but I also did a lot of ridiculous other
tests with it and it didn't last long. In March I replaced it
with a 20 lb. tank and have it running under pH control - the pressure
hasn't dropped a bit yet. I think it might last a few more months.

You can tell it's getting low from the pressure gauge on the regulator.
It depends on how much you need to add to your tank to get the pH
and CO2 levels you want, the tank size, water circulation and turbulence,
etc.

George Booth has been doing this for a long time and he has posted
some data on this, but I don't recall them.

-- 
Jim Hurley --> jimh@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!jimh  (408) 922-0100
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: lipinski@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: (f) Clown Loach question
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:36:26 GMT

I have two clown loaches in a sixty gallon tank along with 4 Tiger barbs, 3
Zebra Danios and a Red Tail Shark.  The Clown Loaches ususally seem to be
"lying" on their sides whenever I first walk in the room and I think that they
have died.  But, as I walk near the tank, they get up and start swimming
normally.  They look okay and eat fine and swim around scavenging and playing
when I feed them.  I've only had them about two weeks. Has anyone else seen
this sort of behavior from these?  Could they be sick?  I only have a nitrite
tester and it shows the nitrite levels are good.  I'm sort of a beginner in
that I have had fish for quite a while, but never really knew how to take care
of the tank outside of water changes and filter cleanings.(I am learning quite
a bit reading this group though.)  Any suggestions or help would be
appreciated.

-Todd
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:3777 alt.aquaria:2992
From: mpyron@cornea.ophth.bcm.tmc.edu (Milton Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: plant questions
Date: 9 Apr 1992 20:16:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I've thought about using Tetra Helina in the gravel.  Is it possible to
add this to an existing set up with fish or does the tank have to be
drained?  Or can I get by using only fertilizer tablets and liquid fertilizer.

I will have a 20W Triton and a 30W Vitalite.  I assume this will be plenty
of light for many kinds of plants.  Are carbon and ammocarb used in fish-
plant aquariums?  I wonder if these would affect the water chemistry so
that the plants would be adversely affected.  

My goal is to have a fish tank with attractive live plants without spending
a lot of money.  I plan to mailorder the plants, getting relatively easy
to grow types.  Should I add a few to see how they grow or is it better
to add many all at once?
Thanks.

mpyron
 
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From: sgoldman@encore.com (Steve Goldman)
Subject: Re: aquarium cooling
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:01:56 GMT

laurence@cco.caltech.edu (Dustin Lee Laurence) writes:

>glee@athena.mit.edu (Gilbert Huppert) writes:

>[using a small fridge to cool an aquarium]

>>Sorry, but this won't work very well.  If you think about it, there
>>are two good reasons (especially if you are running a marine tank): 1)
>>heat transfer will be quite poor, 2) capacity is very low.  A dorm fridge
>>is not meant to constantly remove heat from a large aquarium (I am assuming
>>that you are not worried about a 10 gallon tank).  This type of device is
>>designed to remove small amounts of heat once in a while, and maintain
>>a constant temperature, not at all like your air conditioner.  If you do a
>>back of the envelope calculation, you will find that you *might* be able
>>to get a 3-4 degree temperature drop, under the best conditions (for a 
>>tank of 50-70 gallons).

>Uh, have you actually done this?  I know of someone who was able to
>run a 26 gal reef in a dorm room that stayed about 85F or better
>during the day.  I'll have to ask how much the temp was lowered, but
>I got the impression that it was by a considerable amount (albeit in
>a small tank).  And of course, he ran it continuously.

 I've done it, for a larger tank (70g) and it doesn't work. If I'd
bothered to do any calculations I wouldn't have tried. A dorm size
fridge moves something like 100 BTUs an hour. So if you get perfect
efficiency you can cool something like 12.5 g. 1 degree/hr. (assuming
the tank isn't being heated by the room). You'll be lucky to get
20% efficiency. Compare this to aquarium chillers which move 1000's
of BTUs and have decent heat exchangers. After failing with the
fridge. I built a chiller using an old room A/C unit (5000 BTUs)
and this kludgy polypropylene exchanger around the evaporator coils.
It works great but looks ugly, but at $100 it was much cheaper than
a chiller.

Steve Goldman, Encore Computer Corp          (919) 481-3730
901 Kildaire Farm Rd., bldg D  Cary, NC  27511       USA
internet: sgoldman@encore.com
From: rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: (FRESH) Need help sexing young H. erythrozonus (glowlight tetras)
Summary: are there any little tricks to do this?
Keywords: freshwater, characin, breed,
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:13:55 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Hi, 
I'd like to find out how to tell the difference between male and
female, ** 6 week old ** glowlight tetras (hemigrammus erythrozonus) -
if it's possible.  I know there are tricks for sexing young guppies
(strong light shows gravid spot), I was hoping there is one for these
fish too.

I want to keep the best 6 (ie., biggest, brightest colouring, no
defects), ideally 3 pairs, or so from the last spawn, and give the
rest to people who will not be breeding them.  Right now, all
good-sized fish look like females (ie., plump).  Since male glowlights
are smaller than the females when adult, I'm afraid I might
erroneously give away all my males.  I might add there is considerable
variation in size among the fish.  Does anyone know if there is a
different growth rate among males and females?  I have looked in
Baensch's Atlas, and ADI's book on characins -- a book I didn't find
particularly useful -- and didn't find any relevant information there.

I have read in one instance (from Sally Van Camp) that females
outnumber males 4 to 1 in a glowlight spawn, can anyone confirm this?

I could wait another month to determine for sure which are males and
females, but if I could get rid of some of the fish right now it would
make things easier for me.

thanks

rick clark (rclark@alcor.concordia.ca)
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rick clark   (rclark@alcor.concordia.ca)
             (CIS 70272,3270)
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: How many aquarists in the U.S. or the world?
Keywords: aquarists, U.S. world
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:59:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Research Labratory, Washington, DC

In article <1992Apr13.185902.25553@cbnewsh.cb.att.com= shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine) writes:
=In article tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:
==   I noticed that too.  No one I know has more then 20 fishs.  So I
==guess some wacko out there must have a few thousands to make up for
==us lackers.
==
==-Anthony
=
=I believe there's a law that specifies all killifish keepers must 
=maintain a minimum fish count of at least 100 adult fish and 100 
=fry.  The penalty for not maintaining these levels is tying the
=offender to a chair and having Oleg chant the last one thousand 
="Splashing Around With Sally" articles to you, to the tune of "Row
=your boat".

A better explanation mayb that he is counting all feeder guppies,
feeder gold fish, and maybe even individual brine shrimps.  Beside,
I wouldn't call Oleg a wacko, he may just chant "Splashing Around
with Sally" to me if I do :)

-Anthony
From: colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: used gravel
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:42:15 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <5022@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> ronb@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Ronald  
L Bannick) writes:
> I purchased a used tank with most of the air pumps, fake plants and  
like.
> Some stuff missing like air line and thermometer.
> I was told to boil the gravel and add salt before using the 10  
gallon tank.
> If true how long to boil and how much salt?
> Maybe I'm wasting time trying to save money by trying to get a used
> outfit going again.  Do the fish have much chance in a previously  
used
> tank?  We want to start with just a few guppies and the like.
> Thanks for any info.
Hi!
Your fish have as much a chance as they would in a new tank.  Unless  
the old owner sold his tank because all of his fish died of a weird  
disease, you are completely safe as long as you wash the tank and the  
gravel really well before setting up the tank, preferrably with hot  
water.  Gravel is completely reusable; as many times as you want.  So  
is the rest of the equipment.  You will still have to cycle your tank  
anyway.  If the pumps are too old they might not work for more than a  
few months before you start noticing them being weaker than usual.   
Take advantage of used stuff--you can save a lot of money that way,  
and the fish will never know  (especially guppies!).
Enjoy your tank!
Delia
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: frazier@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Frazier)
Subject: Re: Cure for fish-hungry powerhead?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:11:33 GMT

feit@ERA.COM (Mark Feit) writes:

>Has anybody managed to find a way to keep the fish away without
>blocking the intake?  I've tried turning the intake to odd angles
>where the fish would be less likely to wander, but to no avail.  I
>also thought about a small cage of some sort of screening, but steel
>would rust and I haven't found a plastic substitute that will work.  I
>figure if the little fellas can be kept about 2" away, they'll be
>okay.

What I would do: construct a frame from the plastic "boxes" you
purchase strawberries in.  If you need a finer mesh, cover it
with plasitc/fiberglass window screen.  Obviously, you won't want
to glue it to the powerhead itself.  Either make a sleave to go
between the powerhead and the lift tube to fix the box to, or
somehow hang it over the side of the aquarium.  Or, purchase some
of those heater suction cups.
-- 


Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Regularly Posted Items In REC.NUDE
Summary: Summary of postings and schedule of FAQ postings
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:30:17 GMT

These are the regular postings for REC.NUDE.  All are set to expire one month
after posting.  If your system expires them before that date, please contact
me and I will gladly e-mail any of these postings:

	REC.NUDE Frequently Asked Questions, Part I of II
		posted on the 1st of each month.
		Contains questions (and answers) to rec.nude's FAQ.
		Please read before posting!

	REC.NUDE Frequently Asked Questions, Part II of II
		posted on the 1st of each month.
		Contains information on how to find about about
		clothing-optional (CO) beaches, hot springs, and resort.
		Also includes information on organizations, publications,
		videos, and electronic media.

	Florida CO Areas
		posted on the 15th of each month.
		Contains map and listing of Florida CO areas and groups.

	Free Beach Etiquette
		posted on the 15th of each month.
		Contains "rules" of etiquette for CO beach and park users.

Other postings are being worked on (Nude Beach and Hot Springs FAQ - giving
directions to the most frequented (and frequently asked about) areas will be
the next one done).  I also have information on naturist/nudist Special
Interest Groups, clubs, and resorts that can be sent on request.

Yours, naturally
  Steve Pierce (steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us)
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steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
===========================================
From: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Sorry about the line lengths, folks. I'm using an X-based
newsreader.  The text widget gives poor feedback on the 
presence or absence of new-lines. It word-wraps on the 
screen but doesn't write the soft wraps back to the file 
when posted, and the newsreader does nothing to help the
situation, so I have to hit each line to force a wrap 
on it.  It looks like I missed some...I'll do better next 
time.

As regards touching, it may just be the park my wife and I
go to. They're pretty conservative - no unmarried couples
overnight, no singles, etc. - but they've been in business
for a long, long time.

					Ralph
From: jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:30:52 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <1992Apr3.202244.9641@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:
>
>It's not so much that we see skin... however, it's the messages that
>go along with that skin:  "THIS is the type of body you're supposed to
>have... if you don't, you aren't *good*, if you don't no one will like
>you... if you don't, something's *wrong* with you"  We should be
>learning that although we are different, the body is a wonderful
>thing, and it *not* dirty, is *not* wrong, no matter what it looks
>like.
>

I don't know if I would wholly agree with the last comment.  I think we do
have some degree of control over the condition and appearance of our
bodies, and worse, some responsibility to maintain it.  This
certainly doesn't require breast implants and face lifts, but IMO it
does include avoiding excesses such as overeating, or eating the wrong
types of food, personal hygene such bathing regularly, some modicum
of physical fitness, etc.

It seems to me that if body acceptance is the objective, then there is some
inherent value attached to it.  It also seems to me that someone who 
has ignored their physical appearance and/or health to the point of obesity or 
due to excessive vices such as smoking or drinking *too much*, has destroyed 
much of the natural beauty of the human body.  These characteristics 
reflect a person's own attitudes toward their own body and are 
just as pitiable (IMO) as someone who gobs on 
too much makeup or feels compelled to have their nose redone.

A poorly maintained body is no more "natural" than an artificially
redesigned body.  There are many genetic traits we have no control over,
and no one should feel selfconsious about these.  But there are so many
aspects of our health that are related to appearance which we can control, 
that I find it disappointing to see anyone who has lost that appreciation
for their natural form, especially kindred naturists.

However, its not my body.  So I shan't inform you of my distress unless
you inquire of it:-)

Blue Skies
Jerry


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 Phone:	(301)405-6735		Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
 					College Park, Md 20742
From: CL234106@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Y. CAO)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:41:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: vlsi.1992Apr7.154132.18741
Organization: University of Louisville
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: CL234106@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Y. CAO)
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 09:28:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr3.204655.10873@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> amy writes:

> Ok folks, here's Amy's essay on _What Nudity Means to Me_.
> 
> Nudity means feeling comfortable.  I don't have to pull my underwear
> out of the crack of my ass when watching  tv all twisted up in my
> favorite papason chair.  Leaving the window open and feeling the warm
> breeze all over your body is a wonderful feeling.
> 
> Being nude means I won't have to worry about catching my shirt sleave
> on something on the stove and pulling it off, making a mess and/or
> seriously hurting myself. 
> 
> However, most of all, it means that *I* am comfortable with myself and
> those around me, and am not ashamed of my natural state.  
> 
> As for the age old question of, "What if it's cold..."  Well, here's a
> great example.  I got up this morning, and the house was rather
> chilly...  I threw on Scot's robe.  However, not minding total nudity,
> I didn't have to belt it (which I find uncomfortable).  I didn't have
> to worry if it fell open and showed too much leg, or gave a good
> crotch shot.  I didn't have to adjust it as I sat down or got up.  *It
> didn't matter*.  You can devote your energy to much more important
> things. 
> 
> My question is why wear clothes when you don't need to?
> 
> amy

I would like to thank you for an increased understanding. I am new to this
newsgroup and USENET in general.  It's good to come in and find right away 
people who can answer questions for me.

I am a very repressed self concious person in many ways. I have been 
trying to overcome some of my self conciousness, and have made much progress.
I have finally reached a point where I do not neccessarily equate nudity with
sexuality. I recently found myself in the woods, and had a desire that I do not
quite understand. I really just wanted to remove what clothes I had (I was
alone) and lay back in the sun for awhile. I didn't do it, for I have still
not overcome my own repressed tendencies.

That was a very strange experience though, and one I have given much thought 
to as of late. I have been exposed to people lately <Rainbow people mostly>
who have given me a slight understanding about nudity, and a desire to overcome
my own warped misconceptions and repressed tendencys.

How does one overcome a lifetime of training? A bit at a time I guess.  Slowly
this issue gains importance and impact for me as I continue my daily spiritual 
path, and become more interested in the harmony with the earth and nature. 

Thank you for your entire post, and thank everyone for the info found in 
previous posts. At least one more slightly grateful and <hopefully>
enlightened person exists in the universe (me! :)

Tom Stevens (borrowing a friend's account)




+---+ appended article #6444 ---

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: CL234106@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Y. CAO)
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 09:28:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr3.204655.10873@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> amy writes:

> Ok folks, here's Amy's essay on _What Nudity Means to Me_.
> 
> Nudity means feeling comfortable.  I don't have to pull my underwear
> out of the crack of my ass when watching  tv all twisted up in my
> favorite papason chair.  Leaving the window open and feeling the warm
> breeze all over your body is a wonderful feeling.
> 
> Being nude means I won't have to worry about catching my shirt sleave
> on something on the stove and pulling it off, making a mess and/or
> seriously hurting myself. 
> 
> However, most of all, it means that *I* am comfortable with myself and
> those around me, and am not ashamed of my natural state.  
> 
> As for the age old question of, "What if it's cold..."  Well, here's a
> great example.  I got up this morning, and the house was rather
> chilly...  I threw on Scot's robe.  However, not minding total nudity,
> I didn't have to belt it (which I find uncomfortable).  I didn't have
> to worry if it fell open and showed too much leg, or gave a good
> crotch shot.  I didn't have to adjust it as I sat down or got up.  *It
> didn't matter*.  You can devote your energy to much more important
> things. 
> 
> My question is why wear clothes when you don't need to?
> 
> amy

I would like to thank you for an increased understanding. I am new to this
newsgroup and USENET in general.  It's good to come in and find right away 
people who can answer questions for me.

I am a very repressed self concious person in many ways. I have been 
trying to overcome some of my self conciousness, and have made much progress.
I have finally reached a point where I do not neccessarily equate nudity with
sexuality. I recently found myself in the woods, and had a desire that I do not
quite understand. I really just wanted to remove what clothes I had (I was
alone) and lay back in the sun for awhile. I didn't do it, for I have still
not overcome my own repressed tendencies.

That was a very strange experience though, and one I have given much thought 
to as of late. I have been exposed to people lately <Rainbow people mostly>
who have given me a slight understanding about nudity, and a desire to overcome
my own warped misconceptions and repressed tendencys.

How does one overcome a lifetime of training? A bit at a time I guess.  Slowly
this issue gains importance and impact for me as I continue my daily spiritual 
path, and become more interested in the harmony with the earth and nature. 

Thank you for your entire post, and thank everyone for the info found in 
previous posts. At least one more slightly grateful and <hopefully>
enlightened person exists in the universe (me! :)
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: What's the temperature?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Hi all

It *snowed* this weekend. Brrrr! I figure, there's a long weekend
coming up - maybe I can drive far enough to get warm. So, the
question is: how far do I have to drive? how far south do I
have to go to be able to get out sunbathing these days? Let's
retrict this to areas east of, say, Chicago.

Please drop me a line in email, and I'll post a table summary.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: davide@sco.COM (David Escoffery)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude Concert
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 18:43:23 GMT
Distribution: ca


In article <ktki92INNivd@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

  | Some time ago someone posted info about a nude rock concert here in So. Ca.
  | I recently came across a flyer with some more detailed information so thought
  | I would post it for the members of this group.  I highly recommend calling
  | first to confirm activities.

  |        "BATTLE of the BANDS" at Treehouse Fun Ranch
  |        Sunday, April 5, 1992,  11a.m. - 7p.m.
  | Featuring Country, Western, Bluegrass, Rock, Blues and Jazz Bands
  |        Admission $10/person plus gate fees
  | Call (714)887-7056 OR (619)322-9431 for Tickets and Reservations
  |        address: 17809 Glen Helen Rd., Devore, CA. 92407
  |     (near where I-215 and I-15 come together in San Bernardino)

did anyone attend that would like to post a summary?
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