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From: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Rewinding firms but not completely
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Reply-To: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:04:59 GMT

In article <92259.091030FKK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, FKK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
|> To all those who have auto-rewind cameras that pull the fill all the way into
|> the can.  There is an inexpensive device at photo shops that lets you pull
|> the film leader back out of the can in about 30 sec.  It is two thin pieces
|> of stainless steel that slide with respect to each other.  It takes 2 or
|> 3 practice tries and then becomes easly.  Then just put the film back in
|> the camera and advance it to the last shot +2 and keep going.  I use one
|> with my Nikon 8008 all the time - I don't leave home without it.

Yah! The good things is ...it cost only $3.00

Kelvin
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Kodak RPC and 4168
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:14:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.233741.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
> Kodak Rapid Process Copy or Professional B&W Duplicating 4168 is on ORTHO film.
> Is there a Panchro equivalent?
> 
In reponce to a mail enquiry... The speed of these is ~0.01
Yep, 1/100. The order #s is have are SO-339 for sheet, 4x5 or 8x10; 2064,
PRC135-36 for 35mm. No bulk roll listed.

Development. from M-1

Gamma	DK-50	DK-50 1:1
1.60	8	12
1.40	6.5	10
1.20	5.5	8.5

1.00	4.75	6.75

0.90	4.5	6.25
0.85	4.25	6
0.80		5.75
0.75		5.5
0.70		5.25
0.65		5

Shorter times are lible to probs... See Kodak M-1 for further info, p92, and
DS-17. Don't have  a data sheet no, sorry.

~Paul
From: rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Field Cameras
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:06:17 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK


What would those people experienced in 5x4 (and larger) recommend
for a budget (is there such a thing ?) field camera for soemone with
some medium format experience but nothing larger ?

Richard

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From: bill@sarek.Rational.COM (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Nikon AF viewfinder clarity
Summary: Experience with N2020 vs FE finders
Keywords: Nikon AF
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:48:31 GMT

I owned aa Nikon FE for many years with good results.  A few years ago I decided
to go the AutoFocus route and bought an N2020.  Not such good results.  Much to
my chagrin, it was only yesterday that I discovered what may have been my
problem:  the view thru the 2020's finder is much dimmer than the FE's.   All
those years with the FE lead me to a WYSIWYG attitude; applying that to the 2020
lead me to think that many potential shots were going to be dull and washed out.
I think this lead me to reject many shots that I would not have using my FE.

Does this make sense?  What can be done about it?  Are the finders in Nikon's
newer AF cameras (esp 8008s) any better?
--
-- Bill Arnett
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From: rob@skylinx.sa.com (Rob Cartaino)
Subject: Re: Re: Digital Photography
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:04:59 GMT

axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
> 
> In article <72219@apple.Apple.COM>, bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:
>>In article <PD.92Sep9020725@horus.sics.se> pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes:
>>|Digital photography (as in digital cameras) is still very expensive.
>>|My guess is that it will take many years until it will become
>>|affordable by amateur photographers.
>>
>>You can buy a Canon still video camera with a Mac interface for about
>>$900. Yup, that's too expensive for the average Joe, but I have used
>>one to take instant photos for desktop publishing, and it works better
>>than you might think.
>>
> 
> The caveat here is the "desktop publishing" slant as opposed to "digital 
> photography".  I've used quite a few of these beasts as well, including the 
> Toshiba "all digital" version, and they are great for incorporating in 
> documents, etc...
> 
> Most people in this forum would not be happy with this quality in a 
> "digital photography" mode, however; even on the TV screen.  

If you are interrested photographs solely for the purpose viewing
them on a computer screen (i.e. .GIF format) which method will produce
a better quality output:

	1. taking a 35mm photograph and scanning it with a color scanner or

	2. taking the photograph with one of these digital cameras?

Also, assuming the resolutions your are trying to achieve 
are for IBM-compatable VGA/SVGA monitors 
(640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, and maybe 1280x1024) which digital
cameras can handle these resolution without being overkill?



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Xref: sparky rec.photo:16081 misc.forsale:26183
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
Subject: Nikon Camera Equipment For Sale
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:49:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep13.224906.19528
Distribution: na
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.


             Nikon Camera Gear For Sale

Nikon FM (chrome) with 50mm F1.8 Nikkor AI lens.  Fine camera with built in
LED meter.  Fully functional shutter without batteries.  Hot shoe,
depth-of-field preview, self timer, and multiple exposure capable. Can
use non-AI lenses.  $230.

Nikon FM-2n (chrome) with 55mm F2.8 Micro Nikkor AI lens.  The latest manual
body with 1/4000th sec. shutter, 1/250th flash sync, and all the features of
the original FM.  IN VERY nice shape.  $440.

Nikomat FTN black body with 50mm Auto Nikkor F 1.4 (Non-AI) and case.
Again a manual body with match needle metering.  Has depth of field
preview, mirror lock-up, accessory/flash shoe, and self timer.  Very
nice condition.  $190.

Nikkor 135mm F2.8 Auto lens.  Non-AI.  Built in hood.  Perfect  $100.
  (note:  non-AI lenses can be easily "notched" to make them AI,
   but you lose the original coupling shoe for early cameras.  There
   are also some aperature rings available to do the full conversion.)

Nikkor 28mm F2.8 AI lens.  With UV filter.  Very nice.  $145.

AF Nikkor 50mm F1.8 lens.  Usable as manual or autofocus.  $40.

Nikon SB-16B flash.  Zoom, bounce, TTL, and more.  Has ASA 100
guide number of 42 (meters) in telephoto mode or 38 in standard
lens mode (which is 138 or 125 in feet), so it's very powerful.
It also has a "fill" flash built in for direct illumination. Can
cover up to 28mm by itself, or 24mm with a clip on "diffuser (SW-7) and
can be used with motor drive at up to 4 fps.  $165.

I'm open to other configurations of bodies & lenses within reason.
I'll guarentee satisfaction on any of the equipment.  I'm not really in
any hurry (translates to ambivalent) about selling the FM-2n, 55mm and
the flash - but I guess I can let them go.  Shipping is not included,
but should be pretty cheap for any of this stuff.  For more info call or
email.  I am looking for some stuff (AS-4 or AS-8, DE-2 or DE-3, and
w-i-d-e AI lenses) so trades are possible.

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: mayr@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Herwig Mayr)
Subject: Who knows old camers: Zeiss Ikon Nettar 515
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:44:54 GMT

I happened to get a rather old camera (probably made
1940/41), brand `Zeiss Ikon', model `Nettar 515'
(at least this is written on the back of the camera).

It takes pictures of the size 4.5 x 6 cm (small medium
format); aperture is from 6.3 to 22, time is 1/25, 1/50
1/100, B, and T.

Does anyone know details on this camera (where it was
manufactured, intended use) or can anyone give me some
information on the value of the camera?

Thanks a lot,

Herwig.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: CANON off camera flash cord. Operation with 630. Any info?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.184455.25324@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
> I have the Canon off camera flash cord which preserves all 430 EZ flash
> functions when used with all EOS cameras EXCEPT the 630 and RT (and maybe
...
> Does anyone know WHY the 630 and RT don't work with this cord? If it were

I think I'm the original poster refered to. There are two 'cords' for extending
EOS flash units. The simple one is just wire, or should I say wires. The other
is the TTL hot shoe adapter 2,TTL distributor, off-camera shoe, and connecting
cords 60 and 300. The TTL-HSA is an active unit, it uses a CR-2025 battery,
and presents a small load to the camera, specificaly to the uPC bus that
runs to the flash.

The RT and the 630 use the same CPU as the 620/650, but at a higher clock
speed. Later CPUs for the EOSs have larger capacity bus drivers on the chip.
For the 630/RT, the combination of the higher clock speed and the extra capacitive
load of the Off camera cord is too much for the bus drivers.

The TTL family stuff is a hangover from the T-90, and many EOS flash functions
fall in the bin. Will be interesting to see if Canon update it to be more
functional.

~Paul
From: eugene@briar.lle.rochester.edu (Eugene Kowaluk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Two 120 film in One Reel
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:00:20 GMT
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics

bill coderre writes:

> Well, I shudder to suggest this, but have you considered doing
> "back-to-back" development? That's where you roll two rolls onto the
> same spool so that both emulsion surfaces face developer.


Although I process film back-to-back almost daily, I do not do this with
my 120 & 220 films.  It's bad enough trying to get the 120 on a reel 
because of the curl; working with two rolls of film and two rolls of
backing make the risk too great.

As to my processing film back-to-back, I only do this with film cut down
to one-inch discs to fit our cameras.  The film is also orthochromatic
making it easy to check with a safelight on the texture of the film surfaces.

It might be easy with sheet films, but I've switched to JOBO Expert drums
where I can do five 4x5s or 8x10s at the same time, and I haven't tried it
with the reels.  The Expert drums BTW with five 8x10s uses as much chemistry
as a small tank with a single sheet of 4x5 or 1 roll of 35.


eugene kowaluk
From: jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Nikkor vs. Sigma
Date: 12 Sep 1992 13:09:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Hello all,

  As far as optical quality goes, how much of a difference is there between
a Sigma lense and a Nikkor lense?  I realize that Nikkors are fantastic lenses,
but my wallet is speaking for me right now!  Is it worth the extra dollars for
a Nikkor?  Thanks very much.

-Jay Giurleo

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Xref: sparky rec.photo:15809 rec.backcountry:6938
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: What tripod do you use when backpacking?
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:58:26 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) wrote:
> The title says it all. What is a good tradeoff between weight and stability?

The Benbo Trekker.  It's about the same weight as others of comparable
stability, but has two major advantages: (1) its legs are waterproof up to
thigh-deep and don't have channels to collect mud; (2) it doesn't have all
the snaggy little catches and screws that most other designs do.  The
ballhead that comes with it isn't that great, though - why the hell can't
you *fix* it to the tripod so it won't unscrew?  and why aren't the locking
screws captive?

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Nikon Photo School: is it good?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:47:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From article <9209100233.AA19305@micro>, by chuang@micro (Michael Chuang):
> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
> # Luis Abdon Cifuentes <lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
> # > Hello netters, 
> # > 
> # >  I just received a brochure about the Nikon Photo School [...]
> # >  I want to know if the thing is worth it before trying it.
> # 
> # If nothing else, all the snobbish F4s'ers (your truly included) can get
> # togather and compare their cameras and say bad things about Canon.
> # (of course, we can also thump our noses at the 8008s'ers and F3'ers...)
> # 
> # Feeling a bit cocky today...  
> 
> A great ironic post dripping with sarcasm !

Well, I haven't been to church lately, so I could really use the sermen.
Thank you.
From: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Mail ordering film, paper and chemicals -- Safe?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:09:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd2.1992Sep15.160933.6760
Reply-To: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <68161@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gg10@prism.gatech.EDU (GALLOWAY) writes:
|>How safe and reliable is it to mail order film, paper and processing
|>chemicals?
No problems so far from Calumet, B&H, Hunt drugand the Formulary.  My only
warning is not to order liquid chemistry and film/paper in the same order. 
I've had my share of spills in transit.  Calumet will always ship liquid
chemistry seperatly.

jimf
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Nikon Photo School: is it good?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:57:25 GMT

hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:

>From article <wefBU=C00WBL42orBE@andrew.cmu.edu>, by Luis Abdon Cifuentes <lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>> Hello netters, 
>> 
>>  I just received a brochure about the Nikon Photo School. It will be in
>> town this weekend, so I wanted to know if somebody has attended it and
>> has  comments about it. Being a graduate student, I have very good uses
>> for $75, so I want to know if the thing is worth it before trying it.

>If nothing else, all the snobbish F4s'ers (your truly included) can get
>togather and compare their cameras and say bad things about Canon.
>(of course, we can also thump our noses at the 8008s'ers and F3'ers...)

Doesn't your nose get all bruised from "thumping" it all the time?

>Feeling a bit cocky today...  

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From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Digital Photography
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
	<PD.92Sep9020725@horus.sics.se> <72219@apple.Apple.COM>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:14:47 GMT

In article <72219@apple.Apple.COM> bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:

>In article <PD.92Sep9020725@horus.sics.se> pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes:
>|Digital photography (as in digital cameras) is still very expensive.
>|My guess is that it will take many years until it will become
>|affordable by amateur photographers.

>You can buy a Canon still video camera with a Mac interface for about
>$900. Yup, that's too expensive for the average Joe, but I have used
>one to take instant photos for desktop publishing, and it works better
>than you might think.

I suppose you mean the Canon ION (Xapshot in the US?). It is not a
digital camera. It is an analog still video camera. The image quality
is far from what I think is acceptable even for vacation snapshots.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User)
Subject: Canon EOS Elan
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:56:10 GMT

Will someone please tell me which issue of Popular Photography carries
the specs or test report of Canon EOS elan ? Does it have manual override
options ? Any other info on the camera would be be very much appreciated. 
All critical comments welcome. I am planning to buy the camera.

Thanks

Shri

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Displaying slides on a TV ??
Reply-To: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:01:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.160325.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>Is there a cheap, easy way to display slides on a television set (besides
>using the TV as a screen for a slide projector).

It obviously depends on what you call cheap. If you have access to a camcorder
with RF out or a TV that also doubles as a monitor then you should be all set.
But then it also depends on how many slides. Just one, not much problem. Many
and it becomes cumbersome if you do not have an easy means of placing the new
slides in the same position as the previous ones. A slide projector works quite
well for this purpose.

Then it is a simple matter of providing suitable lighting behind the slide, aim
the video camera at it and display the video signal on the TV. ... but maybe it
is more complicated than this. 

andy
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Any good books out there?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:07:26 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

Are there any good books dealing with the technical (mostly) and composition stuff for a relative
beginner?  Real step by step, with lots of pictures in color, basically idiot-proof ones would be 
preferred!  
Thanks in advance.
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Mirror Lockup
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <TSOS.97.716233342@uni-duesseldorf.de> TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert) writes:

>Not to forget the noise reduction: When the mirror is locked up and
>you press the release button, there is only the noise of the shutter
>to be heard. If the film is advanced manually ( ;-) ), an SLR can be
>used for candid shots where photographing is not, hmm, advisable.
>With an accompanying, well synchronized dry cough you can take 
>pictures where otherwise only a P&S (without motor) [or a TLR] could
>be used.
>
>Needless to say that the viewfinder is darkened while the mirror is up;
>so this feature is only useful if the camera is mounted on a tripod or
>otherwise in a steady position - or if you aim roughly and trust your
>luck.


  Not unless you clip an accessory viewfinder to the flash shoe.  When
rangefinders were popular, you often only had finder frames for 50mm
lenses built into the camera.  To use a lens of another focal length,
you had to use an accessory viewfinder.  Such is the case with leica
screwmount cameras, and leica made a whole line of clip-on viewfinders
of various focal length, the most practical being the Imeract finder,
which has variable focal lengths from 35 to 135mm.  (If you plan to get
one, avoid the "Vidom" finders, which reverses the image left to
right).  In addition, this finder can also compensate for parallax by
manually adjusting a lever (of course you can't trust this so much
unless you use it on a screwmount body).  

  This can be a very useful thing to have - you can use it with the
mirror locked up to avoid shake and noise and still see what you're
shooting at, and you can use it during panning, which helps if you can
see the subject during exposure.
From: moreaux@litsun22.epfl.ch (Michel Moreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Nikon FE2: Isn't it good? Why discontinued?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:46:08 GMT
	<1992Sep8.185742.2096@arrocha.charlotte.nc.us>
Organization: Laboratoire d'informatique technique
In-reply-to: roberto@arrocha.charlotte.nc.us's message of 8 Sep 92 18:57:42 GMT

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Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne  |  toujours tout autant que ceux qui
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| I believe Nikon still manufactures and distributes it in Japan. Just  
| bought a new lens for my FE2, sold only in Japan.

In europe too.


-Michel

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From: Robert_Klein@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Help-stucking Nikkor
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:46:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> GULDEM GUVEN writes:
> I bought a hardly used 35-70 AF Nikkor, it focuses great but when zooming
> between 35 and 50mm, it stucks, I mean, it gets hard to turn the zoom ring,
> and its hardness changes time to time. I was told that he didn't used for a
> long time.

Sounds like the helicoil(the tube of metal inside the lens that allows you to
zoom in and out) is gone...that lens may have been *dropped*.Get the lens to a
repair shop for an estimate and find out for sure. If the lens is the 3.5
version, it will cost more to fix than replace. Maybe you can get your money
back from the original owner if you present the estimate of repair along with a
request for refund. Good luck.
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