HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lou@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Lou Sortman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Taylor UUCP
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:10:34 GMT
Organization: FullFeed: Public Access Usenet/E-mail at +1 608 246 2701 guest

I installed the Taylor UUCP package on my system and have found that a site
that I used to be able to poll with coherent's uucp not gives me an error like:
something about a garble command 'S'.  I don't have the log right here.
The really strange thing is that I am able to do the exact same thing with
another site (sysV.3 HDB) without the problem.
Is there enough of a difference between flavors of uucp that Taylor gets confused?
I like many of the features of Taylor.  I just wish I could get it to work
at least as well as stock uucp.
Any suggestions? (be nice)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GCC
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <BxI9K5.sM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> rasumner@zeno23.math.UWaterloo.ca (Reuben Sumner) writes:
>Where can the MWC port of GCC 2.2.2 be found? My understanding of the GPL
>is the MWC is required to make it freely distributable (with source?). I looked
>on raven.alaska.edu but I found absolutely nothing.

MWC hasn't released it yet.  MWC has been known in the past for their expertise
in writing C compilers.  They have a whole suite of tools for debugging
output from compilers, and they won't release GCC until it passes to their 
satisfaction.

They may require GCC to compile the OS sources before they release it.

Also, porting of GCC may coincide with the addition of floating point
hardware support for Coherent 4.1.

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but GCC 2.3.1 is still not completely up to
the current AT&T C++ standard.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: Product review
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 19:40:41 GMT

In article <921102305@ritz.mordor.com> root@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz - SysGod) writes:
>I'm curious...Here's a question for all you OS writers out there.
>Given SCO's huge size and generally piggy behaviour, how does it
>manage to trounce Coherent 4.0 on most of the benchmarks in
>the "unofficial" comparison?

Not an OS writer BUT ...

SIZE is relative.  As long as there is enough RAM to hold everything the
speed problem reverts to one of stalling and the amount of the code that
ACTUALLY GETS EXECUTED, and the speed of the instructions being
executed.  An optomizing compiler may bloat your code byt 50% makeing it
take more room but run quicker by unrolling loops, etc.

"trounce" is also a bit strong.  Coherents big weak point is the
filesystem it uses.  It sucks.  You will notice that Coh is slaughtered
in the file access department.  Note also that the ACER Fast Filesystem
in SCO is *NOT* known for it's blinding speed.  In *OTHER* tests any
pitch downward in the results are probably due to superior compiler
technology in SCO's products, and greatly improved file/disk handling. 
I did not notice any dramatic performance hits for non-disk related stuff.

I also would not call SCO's behavior "piggy", although it will swallow
up, and use whatever resource it can find.  I think it probably does
better in the context switch department too. After all, SCO has been out
quite a bit longer.

Also note.  with SCO you *DARN* sure *PAID*, and paid, and paid, for it.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.unix.questions
From: hanrahan@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Kevin Hanrahan)
Subject: Re: rz problems at 9600 baud
Organization: Air Force Security Assitance Center (AFSAC)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:07:46 GMT


jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:

>Has anyone experienced problems using rz/sz at 9600 baud?  I just
>bought a 9600 baud modem and am experiencing problems I've never had
>before (at 2400).  I give my remote host the sz command, then call rz
>using minicom's receive feature, and the computer proceeds to give me
>all sorts of error messages one after the other (sometimes getting some

The error messages sound like the same problem we have here, but
our setup is somewhat different.  We have PC's connected to our
network through serial connections to TRW ACU's.  These run
at 9600 bps, but there is no modem involved.  I have also been
unable to use sz/rz to my PC at home thru a dialup which also
uses a TRW ACU.  A friend of mine has successfully used sz/rz
over a 9600 bps modem that does not go thru one of these TRW boxes.

I would suggest that you check that you are not going through
different hardware now that you are using a faster modem.
Are you dialing a different number since you upgraded to 9600?
If so, perhaps you are now going through one of these boxes
that we believe to be the problem.
-- 
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C.E.T.A. Corporation             [137.245.81.8]          (513) 257-5760  
Beavercreek, OH                                          (AV)  787-5760 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bkuhn@cs.loyola.edu (Bradley " b " Kuhn)
Subject: test
Organization: Loyola College in Maryland
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:35:18

Sorry for the waste of bandwith...this is a test..

--

 -- Bradley M. Kuhn    Computer Systems Development, Inc.

     INTERNET: bkuhn@cs.loyola.edu, bkuhn@loyola.edu, kuhn@cpwsca.psc.edu,
               rhlab!bkuhn@uunet.uu.net (take your pick :-)
     BITNET:   bkuhn@loyvax.BITNET
     UUCP:     ...uunet!rhlab!bkuhn
     SNAIL:    100 W. Cold Spring Lane, Box: 141, Baltimore, MD   21210
     VOICE:    (410) 617-(4343 || 4497), (x4343 || x4497 on Loyola Campus)
From: kkress@phent.UUCP (Kenneth R. Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Fax software
Summary: Is it possible to send faxes
Keywords: fax Coherent software
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:46:58 GMT
Organization: That's Entertainment BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	All of the new, cheap 9600 v32bis modems come with fax 
capabilities. Does anyone know how to take advantage of this from
within Coherent?
	Is anyone working on it (for fun and profit)?

			Ken
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GCC
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:32:33 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov11.195413.27482@sequent.com> patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White) writes:
>In article <9211110010.07@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>MWC hasn't released it yet.  MWC has been known in the past for their expertise
>>in writing C compilers.  They have a whole suite of tools for debugging
>>output from compilers, and they won't release GCC until it passes to their 
>>satisfaction.
>
>	Register my congrats on adhering to that attitude.. if they ever give
>up on it, their products will never be as good of quality.

Hmm.  If that indeed is their main reason...  I think Rick Kelly is a
bit too nice to MWC - I personally doubt the main problem is gcc. 

A somewhat less idealistic view on the MWC behaviour would probably come
up with (note that these are only idle speculations, and maybe MWC can
prove me wrong.  I have no connection to them in any case):

 - MWC has decided that releasing gcc isn't worth it: as long as Coh
   doesn't have virtual memory, you'd need at least 6MB or real RAM in
   order to be able to use gcc efficiently.  Even with 4MB ram you'll
   run out of space pretty soon if you are optimizing...  Why alienate
   those unfortunates that have only 2-4 MB of ram.

 - There are problems with gcc if you don't have floating point support
   in the kernel.  Gcc uses the fpu instructions even when you specify
   "-msoft-float" (and if somebody wonders why: because that's what the
   Intel binary interface standard says it should do (*))

 - gcc needs a big cache to run reasonably well: 1MB of cache is not a
   bad idea, and more only helps.  Without it, gcc will run very slowly,
   and (understandably) MWC may not want people to think badly of them
   because of that. 

Frankly, the "gcc isn't good enough" argument doesn't really hold water:
gcc seems to be good enough for everybody else ranging from linux to
SunOS to Crays.  It might be a bit more believable if MWC already had a
good ANSI-compliant compiler, but... 

I have to agree with Rick that MWC would probably want to wait for
coherent 4.1 before releasing gcc - that should fix the two first
problems.  I don't know about the coherent cache: is it hardcoded,
dynamic, memory size dependent, or what?

		Linus

(*) gcc-2.3 does have support for a totally non-fpu environment even
though it's nonstandard, but 2.3 does have problems, and shouldn't be
used yet.
From: root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: YORIKO 
Keywords: 
Summary: 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 18:55:59 -1


Hi !

Does anyone have the YORIKO 9696 extern Modem 
use under COHERENT?

Please answer with mail.


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Mfg

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| Luckenwalderstrasse 11b    +----------------------------------------------+
| O-1600 KOENIGSWUSTERHAUSEN |            KW-COMMUNICATION                  |
| Tel. +49 3375 504024       |      V21, V22, V22bis, MNP1-5, V42bis        |
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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Cops
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:26:17 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. - Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I'm also interested in this package.  Has anyone gotten
it ported?  I tried and failed (big surprise there).

As always, I would be willing to suply the source if someone
was willing to do the real work. :-)

Cheers,

Chris

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{backbone}!rutgers!spcvxb!ritz!ritz | don't actually find her provacative
                                    | either.   -Bowie on Madonna-
From: kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas)
Subject: Re: Help needed installingelm
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:24:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vacaville, CA

michael@mkrbram.os.open.de (Michael Kreutzmann) writes:
> dfilip@colorne.colornet.com () writes:
> : Help ! Last night I downloaded elm from MWCBBS, and am having problems building
> : it.
<stuff deleted>
> : 
> : And these directories do not exist.
>   -----------------------------------
> 
> This is your problem. It's not a elm-problem, it's a unzip-problem.
> Unzip doesn't create subdirectorys, needed for elm.
> 
<stuff deleted>
Hi:
	Yes, this is a unzip problem. However, if you prefer to avoid
extra hassles, try unzip -d (recreate the directory structure) filename.
I got burned on this too, until I RTFManpage.
				Regards, Kestas

 Kestutis Sliupas            x  (510) 231-1540 (work voice) 
 kestas%lith@infopro.com     x  (510) 231-1285 (work FAX) USA CA  
 kestas@infopro.com          kestas%lith@uunet.uu.net 
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: dmake, gmake, which?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:29:35 GMT

What advantages do dmake and gmake offer over the stock make which comes
with Coho? Of these two, which do people prefer?

Timothy.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: setuid problems
From: ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:29:24 PST
Reply-To: ekeller@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: ATS - CalState Los Angeles
Keywords: setuid

In article <1992Nov10.161544.3134@nic.csu.net>, ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller) writes:
|> 
|> I have some programs that have the suid bit set and 
|> ownership set to a particular user (not root).  When
|> these programs get executed the ownership changes to
|> user which has just run them (euid).  Is this a bug
|> or is there something I need to define in the kernel?
|> 
|> 

One thing I neglected to mention - I am running 4.0.

--eddy
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Phone: (213) 343-2717                  California State University, Los Angeles
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From: fpittl@infopls.chi.il.us (Frank Pittel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installing Coherent 4
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:59:36 GMT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r


FU>In article <1992Nov6.050630.20458@netcom.com> whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon
FU>ites:
FU>>>
FU>>>Subliminal advertising IS illegal.  The periodic 'buy' messages from
FU>>>Mark Williams Company concerns me.  If this was taken to court, could
FU>>>some-one sue MWC?
FU>>
FU>>I would think that the very fact that they _tell_ you about the stupid thin
FU>>in the documentation would ameliorate the situation.  I do suppose that one

FU>I'd be suprised if subliminal advertising is actually illegal.  The fact is,
FU>subliminal control of behavior is pure nonsense.  If you want someone to do
FU>something, be it buy Cohware, quit smoking, stick a zucchini (sic?) up their
FU>nose, it's far more effective to just TELL them to do so.  Ditto for backwar
FU>masking.

The fact that you can see the message at all makes me think that there
is nothing subliminal about it. If it were nobody would ever have
actually noticed it.

Frank

P.S. while I wondered what was being flashed on the screen I never could
figure out what it said :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pblack@cory.Berkeley.EDU (BLACK  PAUL)
Subject: Access hard disk from floppy
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:36:41 GMT

I want to be able to boot and run from a floppy (no problem with
that) AND access the hard disk from the floppy.  I want to be able to
reorganize the hard disk with fsck -s, repair it in case of
corruption, etc.

If I just make a bootable floppy, I can't access the hard disk.  The
proper device (/dev/at0b in my case) is on the floppy, but it gives
error messages when I try to mount the hard disk.  My guess is that
the hard disk driver isn't in the kernel.

If I copy the hard disk kernel onto the floppy, booting begins on the
floppy, but then shifts to the hard disk.

How can I create a stand-alone (bootable) floppy which can access the
hard disk?

Paul Black
paul@beehive.cirrus.com
pblack@cs.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: my cpio port is broken
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:17:29 GMT
Summary: cpio on raven does not chown files
Keywords: cpio raven

A little while ago I posted the source and a binary for pax/cpio/tar.  It does
not work properly.

I don't know why I didn't notice the problem.  I guess I was too busy being
happy that the program didn't exhibit the problem of the pax/tar/cpio shipped
with Coherent 4.0.

I also don't know why anyone else has reported the problem.  Either they (like
me) didn't notice, or they aren't using it.

While my port did fix the bug of large directories/filesystems causing cpio to 
end prematurely, it introduced a bug not in the shipped copy.

My port does not change ownership.  I would have fixed it this morning, but I
lacked the time.  I hope to fix it tonight and upload a new copy tommorrow. 

I will leave the source on raven until I get it fixed.  If you have a copy of
the source and want to take a crack at the fix (should be an easy one - famous
last words...), please do so!  If you fix it, please let me know or upload a
patch or a new version.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: gray@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Curtis Gray)
Subject: Coherent and Xtank
Summary: Will Xtank run under Cohnerent?
Keywords: xtank game tank coherent unix port
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:08:33 GMT

I am interested in running Xtank. Will it run under Coherent 4.0 since it is 
now a 32-bit OS?

Send any response here or to:

		gray@cs.wmich.edu
Thans!

Curt

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote)
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Reply-To: faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:21:09 GMT

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that one as well.  I just recently got a clone
and Coherent 4.0.1, and was pretty excited about it when I got it.  Now I
see that Linux seems to be stealing the show, especially since it would seem
they have been able to successfully implement X windows on that operating
system and Linux is available from the Free Software Foundation.  I was
wondering if anyone on this group has had experience with Linux and could
tell other people using Coherent what the pluses and minuses of both OS's
might be?  I don't plan on crossing over, but I would be curious to hear
about it.  But for just under $100, I really think that Coherent should
be the OS of choice - I would just like to hear a little more chatter
out there!

Thanks,
Joe Faurote

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: "liming hsied" <liming.hsied@canrem.com>
Subject: coherent for 386?
Reply-To: "liming hsied" <liming.hsied@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:36:31 EST

I'm really interested in setting up some sort of UNIX like clone on
386.  I'd have to upgrade the hardware first though :), but I've
heard a rumor that coherent for the 386 is being worked on.  Is
this true and if so, anyone know what the features will be?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs)
Subject: lost packets
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:44:04 GMT


Has anyone solved the lost packets problem with calling mwcbbs using
a 9600 baud modem?  I've read references to uusecure, but I'm using
3.2.1, and it looks like uusecure is for 4.0.  Any suggestions?

-John D. Boggs     john-boggs@uiowa.edu
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                   |
                   |--->soon to be     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: tin116 compile error
Keywords: tin yacc byacc bison screwy-compiler
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:38:19 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!

I just got the tin 1.1 PL6 distribution from Raven and am havng a serious
problem getting it compiled (on Coh 4.0.1).

As received the makefile called for bison, but since I don't have it
I substituted byacc (which I do have). Byacc processes parsedate.y just
fine, apparently, then the compiler croaks on it. I don't think it's a
byacc problem, because the stuff it complains about comes through 
byacc unmolested from the input file.

The particularr code in question looks like this:


#define SIZEOF(array)	((int)(sizeof array / sizeof array[0] ))
#define ENDOF(array)	(&array[SIZEOF(array)])
...
	static int	LeapYears[] = {
	1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996,
	2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036
	};
...
    for (mp = DaysNormal, yp = LeapYears; yp < ENDOF(LeapYears); yp++)
	if (Year == *yp) {
	    mp = DaysLeap;
	    break;

A similar for loop appears in a number of places, and every time it appears
the compiler spits out these error messages:


503: parsedate.y: error in expression syntax
503: parsedate.y: Warning: divide by zero
503: parsedate.y: missing ')'
503: parsedate.y: missing ')'
503: parsedate.y: missing ']'
503: parsedate.y: missing ')'

where line 503 is the if statement inside the for loop.

If one simplifies the macros above so that they look like this:

#define ENDOF(array)	(array + 17/4)

the compiler still doesn't like it--the error messages look like:

506: parsedate.y: error in expression syntax
506: parsedate.y: Warning: divide by zero
506: parsedate.y: missing ')'


If I change the ENDOF macro so it looks like:

#define ENDOF(array)	(array + 4)


The compiler likes it just fine. It would appear to be a compile-time
constant folding craziness on the part of the compiler.



If, however, I separate out the two original macros and make a program
that looks like:


#include <stdio.h>

#define SIZEOF(array)	((int)(sizeof array / sizeof array[0]))
#define ENDOF(array)	(&array[SIZEOF(array)])

main ()
	{
	static int	LeapYears[] = {
	1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996,
	2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036
	};

	printf ("SIZEOF (LeapYears) = %d\n", SIZEOF(LeapYears));
	printf ("ENDOF (LeapYears) = %x\n", ENDOF(LeapYears));
	
	}

It compiles and runs perfectly, with no warnings or errors of any sort!

What have we got here, a compiler bug, or what?

And how do I work around it?

Thanks for any advice you can give!
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