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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:08:39 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Nov18.072509.15480@cheshire.oxy.edu>, creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.193244.61537@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>
>>Depends on how you look at it..  Miami held FSU to it's worst offensive 
>>outing of the year.  And, though many people like to talk about that 
>>missed FG, remember that the missed FG amounted to nothing more than
>>FSU having a chance to TIE the game, not win it.  
>>
>
>If I remember correctly Florida State missed atleast three very
>makeable field goals during that game.  And a trouncing is not a
>victory by 3 points.  Miami has got to be one of the luckiest teams
>in the country.
>
>ScoTT

I believe that Miami also missed two or three very makebale field goals.
Then, using your logic, FSU was lucky that it had a change to tie the
game at the end.  Also note that FSU did make 3 fg's in the game.  That's
six times that they had the ball close in and didn't score a TD (only 
such score would have won the game for them).  I guess Miami was lucky
about that too.

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Dick Vitale on football
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.182458.19801@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> tino@yogi.metray writes:
>Anyone here good ol' Dickie V's comments on the FSU-A&M controversy last night
>during the Seton Hall-Delaware basketball game?  Hate to say it but Dick NEVER
>went to FSU....(sounds like he sure knows his football though!!)

Dickie V has no idea.  He's always got one eye on basketball, and well, you 
know the rest...

GT

Can I get a rimshot, please?
>
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>

Kevin



From: privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:13:40 GMT
Subject: Re: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college

/ hpcc01:rec.sport.football.college / chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) /  1:02 pm  Nov 22, 1992 /

Chung Yang writes:

> > >	I finally figured it out.  Don James must be Santa Clause!  He 
> > >successfully spearheaded the campaign, "Help out your PAC-10 neighbor to
> > >a bowl bid" by letting the Huskies play their worse game in nearly three

Jim from WSU replies:

> > Hey, jack, WSU earned it.  I'll grant you that on the basis of raw
> > talents UW should be 7 point favorites.  But WSU has a lot of talent

Chung replies back:

>   Oh man, I tried to stop posting but I just can't resist. 

OK, I can't resist either.

Come on Chung!!!  Making up lots of lame excuses for why Washington
lost just makes you look like a fool!

To Dave from U of A, and Jim from WSU and all the rest out there
who are probably now thinking that UW fans are all whiners who can't
accept when the Huskies lose, I apologize.  We're not all like
that.

Jim Privat
jimp@hpwss401.mayfield.hp.com

Go Huskies!
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Proof of What drives I-A football (was Iowa vs BY
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:29:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

All of these arguments are very noble but the bowl does have bills to pay.  I 
really doubt that Copper Bowl is just rolling in the dough.  So there's two    
ways for them to go about it.  They can invite a sorry team that will bring a
lot of fans and provide a lot of revenue, or they can invite Wake Forest and
Washington State, have a great game in a nearly empty stadium, and file for 
bankruptcy next month.  Personally, I'd prefer the former.

GT  
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From: brule@cheetah.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule)
Subject: Re: Why did Syracuse waste so much time?
Organization: Coherent Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:19:12 EST

In article <1eml3rINN4ol@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>Miami dodged another bullet at the Carrier Dome.  The key in the second half
>was the rejuvenated Orange offense and then the Miami defensive adjustments.  I
>still have to wonder about the strategy about using up so much time by
>Syracuse.  The TV announcers suggested that Graves was shaken up and needed
>time to regroup.  Was this really true?

The final drive in question really got going with about 2 minutes left with the ball at
midfield.  At this point the coaches had to decide whether or not to go into the 2-minute
offense.  The SU game plan coming in had been to use a lot of play-action to offset the
aggresive nature of the UM linebackers.  The first half saw SU net -1 yards on offense,
and that strategy was deemed useless.  The 2-minute offense that SU uses has the same
blocking schemes as the first-half play-action.  It was decided that SU should stick
with the traditional offense, since they were moving the ball.

As for the end of the game:  on the second to last drive, SU had the ball down near the UM
20 yard line, when Graves was hit throwing a pass.  The ball was picked off by one of the
rushing linemen.  The play was a rollout with a throwback to TE Gedney.  Gedney was
WIDE OPEN, and had Marvin had the time to deliver the ball, it would have been 6.

On the last drive, SU tried the same play just after Marvin yorked on the coaches.  The
UM coaches had seen the play and made the adjustment...Gedney was covered well.  On
the final play, SU sent Hill and Ismail down the sidelines and released Gedney up the
hash marks.  It was clear that the UM defenders weren't going to let anyone get behind
them, so the play was called to get the ball to Gedney and let his momentum carry him
into the end zone.  All day the safeties had been shading toward the receivers...on this
play they stayed at home, and preserved the win.

After a shabby first half (on both team's part), credit the coaching staffs for making
the adjustments and the players for making this a heck of a game.  Too bad about
Gino's passing w/out interceptions...couldn't have happened at a better time.  :)

>Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!

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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.231526.26360@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.190312.56019@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>In article <BILLMS.92Nov17142033@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (Wil
>liam Mangione-Smith) writes:
>>       billms@eecs.umich.edu
>>
>second time.  We did it in the fifties, we'll do it again.  Also, how many PSU
>qb's are currently in the NFL?  Compare to the number of terps!

All those great terp quarterbacks in the NFL and none of them ever
beat PSU - says something for the PSU defense !!!

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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.170833.921@spss.com> nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes:
>Greg Sroka responded to my earlier post (my responses to him are inside
>the dashed lines):
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>On the polling aspect of it though, I can find some information more easily
>to show what I'm talking about. Notre Dame has had four undefeated, untied
>seasons since they began systematically picking national champions back in
>the late 1930s. They have been crowned national champions every time. In
>each of those years, except 1988, there were other teams/was another team
>also undefeated and untied. In EVERY case, Notre Dame was the national
>champion. EVERY time. Can you find me another school in which this is
>true? Notre Dame has also won partial or unanimous (as listed in the
>NCAA book) national championships twice with a tie and three times with
>a loss, all when there were teams with perfect records. Again, can you
>find another team for which this is true?
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe there is another team for which this is true, maybe not.  One thing
you seem to not understand or conveniently forget is that football was
very different 50 years ago than it is today.  When were those undefeated 
championships?  Well, they won the MNC in 1946 with a tie, 1947, and 1949.
If you know anything about these teams you would know that they were 
absolutely amazing, and well-deserving of their titles.  In addition, the
1948 team was undefeated with a tie, but did NOT win the MNC.  One of
those teams in the 40s beat 4 teams in the top ten, something not 
accomplished again by anyone until ND did it again in 1988.  Face it,
50 years ago college football was very different.  Were there more ties
back then?  I would like to know.  There was certainly not the same kind
of media hype.   I think in the 50s ND was also undefeated but had a tie,
yet still didn't win the MNC.  I'm not complaining, mind you.  I'm just
letting you have some more data for your obviously unbiased analysis.



>
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.153719.5709@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	What's ironic about the situation is that the Blockbuster Bowl
>benefited by the orgy of early bids last year, when PSU and (forgot the other
>team) were passed over by the "big" bowls.  Blockbuster ended up with two 9-2
>teams for one of the better bowl matchups as other bowls watched their early
>singers start losing 2-3 games in a row (like Virginia).

That was the year before last, when Penn State and Florida State met in
the Blockbuster Bowl.  Last year, 8-2-1 Colorado and 10-1 Alabama met in
the Blockbuster.
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:42:16 GMT

In article <Bxtsvy.AC9@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

  > In article <1992Nov16.122940.5631@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
   >>	Rose Bowl: Michigan (maybe they'll even win :)
   >>	Citrus Bowl: Ohio State
   >>	Holiday Bowl: Michigan State or Illinois
   >>
   >>	Ohio State locks the Citrus by having 8 wins, so even if they tie for
   >>second or end up in third they'll still go.  Citrus has an 8-win escape clause.

>	   This isn't altogether correct.  Iowa can still go to the Holiday
>	   if Illinois beats MSU and Iowa wins at Minnesota...

I predict:  

Michigan loses to Ohio State, but crushes Washington in the Rose Bowl
by scoring 45 points in the second quarter.  They are held scoreless
in the second half.

OSU beats an uninspired Michigan 22-21 after Moeller stupidly goes for
two.  OSU wins handily in the Citrus Bowl by playing good defense and
mounting extended ball-control drives.

MSU beats Indiana, rushes for 450 yds., passes for -2, blows out
Holiday Bowl opponent.  Everyone picks Spartans to win Big Ten in
1993, but they lose the first five before winning the rest of their
games.


The Wimpy, er, Big Ten regains the prestige it so deservedly lost.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HISTORY LESSON (Was: Re: Notre Dame in the South)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:38:28 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <1992Nov20.204904.29286@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com writes:

> In article <1992Nov20.204026.13005@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> >
> >> > I also have been informed ... that there is still a great deal of
> >> > ill feeling revolving around a certain Orange Bowl victory in 1974
> >> > and a national championship in 1977.  ...
> >
> >I don't think it has anything to do with the 74 OB or 77 NC.  I think
> >it has more to do with a certain war that took place around 1851.  I
>                                                              ^^^^
> >anxiously await the rematch. :-)
> 
> Try 1861-1865.  

  This is either a typo on the second poster's part or the best "hook" of
recent memory...And in the year of Dandy Dan Frieburgur's(sp) dark horse
Heismann candidacy, that's saying a lot!


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:07:42 GMT
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In a message dated Sun 22 Nov 92  4:14, Garnto@scri.fsu.edu (ken Garnto 904
wrote:

 GG> It is my understanding that when the SEC grew, and UF dropped UM,
 GG> that Florida  also wanted to change their schedule with FSU,
 GG> and Charile stepped in and said that
 GG> the Florida - Florida State game will continue
 GG> on a yearly basis  (oh, yeah, he also controls
 GG> the purse strings for state money.)

I'm not sure about this.  However, there is a state law/resolution (that
was passed years ago by the Florida "Congress") mandating that FSU and UF
play each other every year.

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From: zklf0b@gs144.uucp (Fergason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:46:39 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production


>The AP poll is just as bad.  These guys travel with the team and even
>have to write a game report for the Sunday sports section.  Then these
>same guys start watching the NFL games, on Sunday.  The AP poll comes out 
>at Sunday 6 p.m.
>
>
>My point is these voters do let other things other than the game influence
>their votes.  Two years ago some AP voter said he would never vote for
>Houston because they ran the score up on SMU.  Miami has voters that still
>hate the showboat days.  ND has voters that just hate ND.  We need a playoff
>system, beauty pageants don't work.

Does anyone remember the AP guy ESPN talked to about a month ago?  This
was when people were waffling about Miami/Washington.  The AP voter said
he basically flipped a coin when he voted for #1.  It was like he really
didnt care.  

That's annoying.

Kelly
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.130709.28177@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <BxvAoA.ACp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage) writes:
>>
>>Purdue fans take heart, 4 (3 conference) games were lost by one
>>touchdown or less (compared to 2 last year), and many of our 
>>starters are freshmen and sophomores.  Other than Hunter and Jeff Z.,
>>(Ouch!) we're not losing too much talent.  Next year....
>
>Well, I thought Eric Beatty is a senior, too.  This guy led the Big 10 in
>tackles last year and is doing it this year, as well as leading the
>conference in fumble recoveries (he is a LB, by the way).  He will easily
>be on the all-conference team this year.  IMO, they will miss him as much
>as Zgonina - hell, this guy alone accounts for over 1/3 of Purdue's
>tackles, I believe.

	Beatty is just a junior, thank goodness.  So is DB Jimmy Young...

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Corso serves his time...
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:44:13 GMT


Lee Corso gets to come to Aggieland to do a feature on the Aggies...

Maybe it is worth a trip down there to kneecap him...  :-)

cmuck
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From: clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin)
Subject: who's going to the Rose ball?
Keywords: n
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:02 GMT

It seems to me that Washington had already been granted the Rose Bowl
bid prior to their terrible loss at Washington State. What is the PAC-10
tiebreaker that favors the Huskies who hold the same conference record
as Washing State does?

Chia-Liang Lin

GO BUCKS!! 

For the Ohio State to crunch, humiliate, and hammer  Florida in the
Citrius Bowl.

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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Bruins beat USC (38-37)
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:02:55 GMT

HOW SWEET IT IS!! The Bruins of UCLA defeated their crosstown rival (USC)
by the score of 38-37. In the end USC went for a 2 point conversion and
missed it and the Bruins were able to coverup the onsides kick and preserve
the win. A GREAT win for the Bruins who have had a season marred by injuries
at almost every position on the field.

John Barnes played great as did J.J. Stokes. This is not to say that USC
did not play well. They pretty much had control of the game on both sides
of the ball during the 3rd quarter, but in the 4th it was really all UCLA
as they scored 21 points and held on at the end. It was a great game!

I was at the UCLA/USC game two years ago when Tommy Maddox and Todd Marinovich
had the big shootout and this game was just as good (if not better because
the Bruins won this one!).

Way to go UCLA!!

Eric


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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.234616.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> Of course, one of Auburn's touchdowns came after an offensive lineman
>> pushed his own ball carrier into the endzone around the defensive back.
It was not a lineman, it was a running back (well, ya'll are picking nits 
here)

>
>Where the heck is that tape, I guess I need to recheck this play...
>
>Since we are nitpicking this thing to death (ok, I started it) Hearst
>fumbled the ball on his 1st td.  On the replay it is impossible to tell if
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>he had possession or not as he was crossing the goal line.  The ball went
>out of the end zone.  One local writer strongly suggests that Hearst was
>fumbling as he crossed the line.  Some of my friends thought he didn't
>fumble till he scored, others were unsure.  I, alas, didn't see the play in
>person as I went flying with a campus photographer before the game.  He took
>aerial pictures of the stadium, I enjoyed the view (then again, my wife says
>my head has been in the clouds for years).  I arrived at the stadium just
>after GA scored their 1st td.
>
>-- 
>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 

Yes he did fumble before he got in.  A good friend of mine that is a
photographer with a news paper was right on the line when the play 
occured and he said that Hearst dropped the ball at the one and that
it came off of his foot at the goal and rolled out of bounds.  But hey,
this just helped the refs be consistent with their play calling in
this game, as well as the rest of the season. :)  

In traditional anti-woof fashion:
Alabama 199 (they are playing at legion field whose scoreboard
             can't handle a larger number than this:)
Auburn 0    (It also can't handle negatives)

Bob E.
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Subject: Re: Copper Bowl (was Re: thanks minnesota!)
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:17:38 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson
Summary: Fresno State unlikely to play WSU in it

In article <17816@borg.cs.unc.edu> morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
>Would the Copper Bowl honor its deal with the WAC? 

I dunno.  Today's Tucson newspaper mentions Virginia(7-4), Utah(6-5),
and Rice(6-4).

>Would it set up a rematch by inviting WSU?

Today's Tucson newspaper says that bowls rarely do such rematches.
I guess you never know, since the first game was close and high-scoring.

>Would WSU take it?

WSU has aready accepted the bowl, and I'm pretty sure they have little
idea whom they will be playing.

>Would Fresno State?

If that's the only bowl they were offered, then probably yes.  :-}
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