From: saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: u r wrong Ala (was a word of caution)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:56:38 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

> saleham@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:
> 
>>  Thanks Kambiz. Your nice response had effect. It seems that
>>  I was in a rush and did not read the original article carefully.
> 		       --------------------------------------------
>>  In fact his(Mr. Darvish) article was a warning of such 
>>  misunderstanding (something I did already). 
> 
>>  So I apologize for the misunderstanding, especialy to Mr. Darvish.
>>  I also would like others (and me) to follow Kambiz in being cool.
> 
>>  Also, it is better to talk and do mistakes (misunderstanding) than
> 	  -------------------------------------------------------------
>>  not talk at all. 
>    ---------------
> Al-Akh Anwar:

  Khosh Amadeed.

> We are not that desperate!

  With such attitude of "We are not desperate" to talk, Iran suffered
  years of isolation and now is trying to fix that. They talked to 
  Iraq and Tareq Aziz was in Tehran, after 8 years of war. They 
  talked to Saudia Arabia after the killing of 400 Iranians in Mecca.
  The latest in the news is that Iran is asking Japan to mediate between
  Iran and the USA (at one time was the Great Satan) after the downing 
  of the Iranian civilian airplane, and so on. 

  My statement was not about being desperate or not. I give you an
  example, and hopefully you will get my point. In the classroom, 
  the best students are those who ask many questions and show
  their misunderstandings and their mistakes. 

  On SCI, there are misunderstandings. In fact most of the articles are
  misunderstandings. One example is Moslems and Bahais. If it is not
  for lack of talk and the lack of facing each others, then both sides 
  would live in harmony. 

  In the West, they are despartate to talk to each other. Before Germany
  got united, they spent months of Intensive talks. If it was a 3rd
  world country, they wouldn't give a damn about others (after all it was 
  an internal affair), but what would happen; Neighboring countries
  would feel the danger and the result is war. For example, Iran --right 
  after the revolution-- did not pay attention to the Gulf States. In fact
  there were calls for exporting the revolution. Now they found the need
  to talk and they are talking (even with Iraq). Same thing with Iraq
  and Kuwait. 

  Individuals are the same. 

> It is better if you do not talk until you are sure about what you want to say.

  What you are saying is the same as "don't drive untill you make sure 
  that you won't make any accident". Misunderstanding is like accidents.
  Since many accident did happen on SCI and people used every dirty word
  and you didn't say this but to the one who apologized (that is me), I 
  understand that if I did not admit it, you wouldn't say so.

  Yes, Ala, There were two of your replies and you never mentiond that.
  Mr. Kambiz, however, did say that I misunderstood the point and that
  is what made me go back and reread the original article. 

> People spend their time to read something hopefully worthwhile it is not fair
> that they waste their time because of your carelessness.  Your mistake costs
> readers a lot of time.

  You are wrong. Libraries are full of information. Local libraries are
  in every neighborhood, beside the schools. Encyclobedia Britanica and
  others will give you much better than the speculations of many on SCI.
  (This reminded me of the article that claimed Iraq was under Iran's 
  control for the 16th, 17th, 18th centuries, where you never mentioned
  that these are not facts and are wasting people's time).  

  What SCI and other newsgroups are about is, discussion and exchange of
  ideas, including misunderstandings so people can correct each others
  (like I am correcting you now). These sort of discussion does leave its 
  effect on every one and most of all, on those engaging in the
  discussion. Whether we show that effect or not, the effect will show 
  in our behavior, away from SCI. Look at how many new netters who
  start as "hot blooded" and end up cool.

> Also try to be COOL!
> 

  In fact, if some did ask those questions (as they are) in Mr.
  Darvish's article, then my answer wouldn't be rude. 

  Now, look how cool you were in your reply: you said something like
  "don't let those Iranians who don't hate Arabs, change their minds".
  Imagine what someone with your attitude, at the begining of this 
  artilce, would say. The answer to "don't let those ..." would be:
  "Arabs are not that desperate for those Iranians not to hate them".

> vas-salaam
> Ala

 Khoda Hafez.

 Anwar Saleh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.african