HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: scalloping
Summary: only on ramona st.
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:59:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct17.035925.29113
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: faggotly earnest penguins

salt and pepper scallops can be obtained at only a few spots, one
of which is on ramona st. in palo alto - but *not* 722, el condo
zwicky/transue.  look in the yellow pages for the mandarin gourmet.

arnold (longing for palo alto, as the cold arrives...)
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:03:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.000336.12640
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1b1mg3INN7et@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu 
(Gary Byma) writes:

>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will) but I had understood
>that the rainbow flag represented the rainbow coalition which includes
>persons of all races, and that the lavender strip on the flag was for
>gays/lesbians. When did it become for queers only?

We've had this discussion before.  The historical record is not clear.
There was probably a rainbow coalition before the use of the "gay flag",
but we're not sure that the coalition used the flag before the gay movement
did. 


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:30:59 GMT


In article <1468@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:

>BTW, the OED 2nd edition is out on CD-ROM now.  It's supposed
>to have very good search procedures, in addition to all the words
>and definitions of the printed version. Of course, it costs $895....

Can you tell some more about this.  As someone who seriously
considered popping $2500 for the (printed) OED2 when it
first appeared, and having a CD-ROM drive, this intrigues
me.  Is $895 a list price?  Do you know the format of the
disk?  Do you know where can I find out the details, if you
don't happen to have them?

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From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian/Gay Square Dancing (great idea!!) :)
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:45:42 GMT
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
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I was at one of the bar-nights during this weekend's Load The Boat II
up in Cleveland (Cleveland City Country Dancers  are sponsoring it).
I didn't go for the fly-in myself, since I'm only up to about first-half
basic level so far.

The turnout was great!  They were expecting 200-300 people coming in
for it, and had people signing up from as far away as Miami and NYC.
I can't wait till I graduate!!  I expect to trip across some motssers
pretty quickly afterwards at the various conventions and fly-ins.

Doug, who's still thinking about it, even though the closest he came
to dancing with the other guys was a few two-steps, tush-pushing, and
a barn dance....
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
"Recession: your friend loses his job.  Depression: you lose your job.
Recovery: Bush loses his job" - Bill Davidsen
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Why's It the Way It Is?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:00:28 GMT

In <1992Oct12.153306.5234@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) discusses how it is that
>soc.motss is essentially a white forum.  He says, in part:
> >It's white because we live in a white-dominated, racist
> >society, [ ... ] In higher education, structural racism
> >has tended to keep nonwhites (blacks especially) out.  Those
> >who could get in would be less likely to have the verbal
> >skills and other background (poverty and educational
> >disadvantage would be the main sources here, I think) that
> >would land them in programs providing net access.

>They are also less likely to have the leisure to engage in this sort
>of activity, because-- as Donald pointed out in his answer to
>Steve-- they are more likely to have to spend extra time at work.

Also, think of how you [white males, that is] visualize all the people
you interact with here.  Chances are, you'll assume that they're
white, and male if the name is ambiguous.  Operating on that
assumption, you then use your culture, your frames of references, your
standards of sexuality (obsessing on women elsewhere, obsessing on men
here), your sets of insults, your sets of compliments, etc, on and on,
ad nauseum.

This isn't really a flame.  I for one operate on my own assumptions
(hence, for example my initial assumption some years ago that Jess was
female ;-) and it's quite normal that most people *will*.  It's just
that when most people are white and male, the assumptions overflow and
fill everything up and railroad other assumptions made by nonwhite
and/or nonmale people.  Of course, you don't notice so readily when
they match your assumptions...

--Cindy


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*  I would rather that a bigot thought I was a lesbian than that a
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:17:55 GMT

Heather Blair, philosopher extraordinaire:
>The trouble with ancient Athenian homosexuality and with Allan Bloom is the 
>extreme misogyny.  Women are lesser humans to these guys, so of course if a
>man wants a "higher" love, he'll have to get himself another man.

As I told Heather last night, I had a roommate -- female -- who used to come
home in tears from Bloom's classes.

>My impression is that Bloom's version of homosexuality was that it (and he
>only meant male-male love) was reserved for the "elite".  All of the lower
>sorts of people should stick to being "breeders".  The elite could have its
>lovely little secret, and "higher loves", while everybody else needs
>Traditional Family Values.  So the elite needs to propagandize and enforce
>the very values it doesn't have to follow.  Yech!

Speaking of which, a friend of Heather's and mine confirmed last night
what we all knew.  The University administration announced "peptic
ulcer bleeding complicated by liver failure";  the student newspaper 
carefully pointed out that that version was the University's, and that
he'd been fighting "recurrent health problems."  The Hospitals' staff
knew better, said so:  Allan Bloom died of AIDS.  

Anyone with a friend at the _Advocate_, or _Out_, or [your favorite queer
rag here], please pass it on.  Bloom was homosexual (_not_ "gay"), and
bashed women and queerfolk at every opportunity, and plugged the ancient-
straight-white-male-European-elite shtick -- to the tune of cash registers,
as over a million copies of his book sold.  And he died of AIDS.

>Women are "unfit" for philosophy, he claims. ... Double yech!

I know we had this discussion recently ... but I'm glad he's gone.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "What can I say? 10% of bigoted assholes are gay."
                --Andrew M. Solovay (solovay@netcom.com)
From: june@csc.liv.ac.uk (June Cornelius)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sian (Sean (Culture (Ah, Fashion.)))
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:25:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
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Eamonn McManus (emcmanus@gr.osf.org) wrote:
> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >
> >How is [sian] pronounced?
> 
> high.  Anyway Sian is a Welsh name, not an Irish, and it is pronounced
> "shan".  (Although the daughter of a friend-of-a-friend was called
> "see-an" until someone finally enlightened her at the age of about 12.
> Talk about traumatic.)  I don't know what accents might be in Sian,
> though I have a vague notion that there is a circumflex rather than an
> acute accent on one of the vowels.
> 
> ,
> Eamonn, incoherently

I don't know about the accents either, all the sian s I've known have
been "sharn" rather than "shan" - but that might just be the Cardiff 
regional accent.  Welsh is my second (and very, very weak) language
so someone from North Wales would be know better.  It's quite a popular
name in south Wales - I can't think of many other proper Welsh names that
are as popular as that in the south.

June Cornelius (great Welsh name, that;-)
june@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:11:58 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>(and I just got the AIDS test back and it was negative! Yay!
>>The last one hadn't been half this stressful, but then that was for
>>*one* encounter *2* years before I took the test, whereas this one
>>was for *11* or *12*).

>Are you trying to tell us you have had eleven or twelve unsafe
>encounters that warrant getting tested?

Well, what's unsafe? Do you considered unprotected oral sex up to but
not including orgasm to be safe? I'd *like* to... And anyway, how many
people have not an ounce of fear in their hearts when waiting for their
test results?

But anyway, the *real* reason I'm posting now is to apologise for/
explain my rationale in posting my little post-test gloat. I wondered
how wise the post was after sending it, and Eammonn confirmed my
suspicion that posting something like this to a forum where there are
undoubtedly many HIV+ readers is pretty insensitive. I was just so
*overwhelmingly* relieved by the results, and had gotten *so* paranoid
waiting for the results, that I had to share my joy. Sorry if I offended.

John, apologising (Nelson! Note the British spelling!) *further* for
waiting so long to write this article, but explaining that when he
tried writing it sooner after the test he couldn't because he kept
returning to how sick it made him feel that some of his friends/
debate opponents/major hunkahunkas are *dying*, and have had to con-
front their mortality continually in a way that nearly drove him
crazy when he only had to do it for a couple of weeks, and how angry
the world makes him feel

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia on fashion (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:35:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct7.190418.25219@fig.citib.com>
  <mattm-081092140500@mcmelmon.apple.com> <Bw2tHn.n3A@fig.citib.com>

Greg Parkinson writes:
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> [Drivel deleted]
>Amazing.  You are *really* stupid.

Currently, he's one of the top 10 reasons I wish Clay Bond
would come back, with his lingustic filleting knife honed to
microtome sharpness.

It might *almost* be worth putting up with his random snide
comments and anal-retentiveness about emotional display.
 
() History is a tool used by politicians to justify their
() intentions.
()      -- Ted Koppel
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Elton John donating all royalties?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:03:24 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

I heard a radio news report (WGST, Atlanta) at 9:15 PM last night
that Elton John had announced he was donating all future royalties
from all his recordings to AIDS research.

I've seen nor heard nothing further on this.  Was i just dreaming
after a LONG day's work, or has someone else heard this same claim?

Thanks for the sanity check....


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: de-muffining
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:46:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <44240@ogicse.ogi.edu>, markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-161092093008@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct16.041059.11386@sol.UVic.CA>, dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
> >(Daniel  Cunningham) wrote:
> >
> >> Flamers need not respond to this article.
> >
> >But we're *all* flamers, even when we're *not* posting...
> 
> Jess,
> 
> This should be in the quotes file.  It is now in my copy!
> 
> Well done, Matthew!

Oh my God!  I'm so *embarrassed* :-)  But I've never met a
compliment I didn't like...  And it allows me to make an observation
which would have been less appropriate in more hostile times:
 
> One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
> One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
> them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

I *had* always thought Mount Hood would make a wonderful Mount
Doom.  Lonely, snow covered volcano, always venting a little
steam...

Melmothra, ACC
(who denies that familiarity with the Lord of the Rings can,
in any way, shape, or form be taken as damning evidence of 
intellectualism)
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:51:51 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <1992Oct6.082508.12552@thinkage.on.ca>, kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
|> In article <lcp1ljINN56k@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct2.164655.15688@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> >Gee, I have had days like this too... Usually, the bearded men are naked
|> >as well, but that is just a detail...
|> >
|> >|> I notice men with beards more often than men without.
|> >
|> >|> I'm noticing a trend here. What ever will I do? :-)
|> >
|> >You will begin be unbuttoning the top button of his flannel shirt.
|> 
|> my flannel t-shirt doesnt have buttons... :-)

I guess I'll have to chew it off, starting at
the neck and working my way down.

Unless you want to take it off yourself...

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:53:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.143258.14526@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>[]
>I was genuinely depressed by Howard's posting on this
>subject, this thread following as closely as it does on
>the heels of the 'blame' thread.  I also wouldn't have
>guessed Howard to be so completely unaware of the results
>of systemic racism/sexism/heterosexism.
>
>In article <1bc9doINNrp4@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>I'm not sure quite how to respond to this, but I'll try.  
>>To my knowledge, I have not been involved in the type of 
>>thing Donald is screaming about, but, in reading
>>his post, I am supposed to feel I am.  I am not perfect 
>>and, I trust, neither is Donald or anyone else reading this 
>>posting.  HOWEVER, I am not evil by definition and CERTAINLY 
>>NOT by the skin color I happened to have been born with.  


Ditto.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Information request about DC.
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:49:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Catholic University of America

Also, check out TRAX, a dance club in SE with 3 dance floors (one HUGE, playing
techno-pop stuff, one smaller, for industrial, and one outside). It's not in
the greatest area, but they're *very* careful, and frisk everyone going in(!).
My SO got stopped once for a swiss army knife keyring...

Anyhow, although there is a strayt crowd that goes there, it's run by and for
lesbigays. Quite a good time.

-Alison
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:07:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct16.060738.14496
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <Bw6Fv4.IE0@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:
>> If Melman becomes a beloved member of the family, it won't be because
>> _we_ changed, that's for sure.
>> 
>So you deny the dialectic?

No, not in general, but in this particular instance, perhaps.
I think it comes down to trust and being perceived as a person
of good will.  The couple of people today who reported being flamed
(justifiably in their view in hindsight) weren't being deliberately
obnoxious, and they listened to the comments people had to make
and took them seriously (which, by the way, is not the same as
agreeing to everything which is said.)

Listen, Clayton Cramer will not become a beloved member of the
family, no matter how many times he barges in.  I really doubt
Sarver will either, unless he decides to drop his favorite topic
and just hang loose in a more general conversation.  Matthew won't
unless he manages to convince people that he has something interesting
to offer other than simple malice.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:55:54 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Gary Klein, bear at heart (gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu)
first wrote:
 
> > Would anyone like me to explain why I still have a unopened package of
> > bungee cords still sitting in the trunk of my car?
 
Easy: you've been waiting for the latest
issue of _BEAR_ to arrive, which you
obviously haven't *read* yet.

[Then asked:]
> ANYONE out there want to help me break them in, and put them to good use?  

The rest of my equipment is on order, but
should arrive by the time you finish your
research.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Robert Coren has never been flamed
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.124542.28563@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <flambe@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org
> (Eamonn McManus) writes:

...and then the cruel man *includes* all that *nasty* text so that I
have to read it *again*. I think he's just softening me up for:

> 
> There, there, Robert, pay no attention to that mean man
> (they won't even *let* him live in Ireland anymore, that's
> why he's in France); you just come right over and I'll find
> a lot of very clever and amusing ways to comfort you.

Well, now, that is an idea... when did you say camp was in session,
then?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 04:54:03 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.225926.7666@panix.com> mara@panix.com
(Mara Chibnik) writes:

>I'm just wondering how many people who are upset at Donald's
>expressions of rage at whites are familiar with the feelings
>described in Queers Read This.

>(The specific problem of physical assault isn't what I'm talking
>about now, just the expression of that bitterness.)

I think there are a number of high relevant parallels, and I
have th text of QRT, which I could post at any time.  But
for at least the next little while, the discussion evoked by
Donald's posting have been very valuable, I think.  I know
they have been for me, because taking part in them has
caused me to refresh and revitalize some of my thinking on a
variety issues associated with racism.

Though the parallels are many, interesting, and I think
effective at revealing commonalities between issues of
racism and issues of homophobia, I think the present
discussion can do more by staying focused as much as
possible on racism (Donald must be exhausted, btw; I am, and
he's done ten times as much work as I have).  This is the
longest and most varied exchange of views on racism that I
can remember here; the immediately preceding one touched on
some of the underlying issues (racism as a system poison,
ineluctable white complicity, etc.) but did not have -- what
shall I call it?  -- the emotional immediacy -- of the
present discussion.  I suggest letting this run as long as
interest sustains it in this go-around, long or short as
that may be, then perhaps we can take up the QRT relevance
of it as a study in what relates and what doesn't.

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