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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:42:59 EST
Reply-To:     Nick Fitzpatrick <nick@SUNBURN.UWATERLOO.CA>
From:         Nick Fitzpatrick <nick@SUNBURN.UWATERLOO.CA>
Subject:      Forwarded from rec.games.diplomacy

The following material, on the fate of the judge, and the proposed
new judges, is fowarded from rec.games.diplomacy.  It is length, long
and unedited, however I have tried to save the articles by thread . . .

Nick
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Washington Judge Closing...
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:43:05 GMT
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.

I just heard that the Washington judge will be phasing out.  The games
already formed will be completed.  I must say that I'm dissappointed.
I haven't been playing long, but I'm already addicted.

I do realise that there are centres in South Africa and Australia.   I
hope these aren't endangered.  I hope there is a possibility that
there is someone out there with the resources to do this in the United
States somewhere.

Oh well, what can we do?

God bless,

Michael

--
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Plymouth State Women's Soccer - #2 in the nation (Div. 3)  (15-1-2)
 Great job this season girls.  Get U MASS Dartmouth back next year!!!!


From: bcanning@reed.edu (Benjamin Canning esq.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: The Closing of the Judge
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:55:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov18.045511.28615
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


	The impending closing of the washington Judge has me quite
depressed. Now that I've been playing through the judge for a while, I
find I've become spoiled by it. I would set one up here, except that
we're a small college with a 56Kb Internet link, and no spare machines
to run games on. Are there any plans out there to set a new one up? I
mean there has to be SOME site in this great big nation of ours
(greetings to those of you on the other side of the ponds;) willing
and able to set something up. Alternatively, are the overseas judges
set up to withstand use by those of us in America? I doubt it
somehow...
	In any case, I wanted to express my thanks to Ken for
creating and maintaining the judge for so long. You've provided a
great service and many (far too many...) hours of enjoyment for
hudreds (thousands?) of us out here in net-land, and your time and
effort has not been unappreciated. Hats off to you sir.
				-Benjamin Canning

--
Benjamin Canning 		|
Philosophy/Religion Student     |  The mills of God grind slowly,
Reed College     		|  but they grind exceedingly small.
Portland, Oregon		|


Subject: Re: ***FLASH*** Ken announces demise of judge
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:41:42 GMT

	Damm, no sooner does "angel" start up then I am informed it will be
the last game on the judge. Since this was my first game, you can imagine
how surprising this was. I just hope there will be more judges out there to
replace Ken's.
---
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon

Mark E. Brodsky
Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill.
E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
	or
	markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Ham Radio: KB9BLY
IRC: Rocketdog


Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:15:50 GMT

In a prior article, Nick Fitzpatrick (nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca) quotes Ken
Lowe (jdr@u.washington.edu) as writing:

> If other people want to start up their own judges, I'd say that now is
> the time to start making them public if they're not already that way.

The two public judges I know of are in Australia and South Africa. I would
be really interested in seeing a North American judge appear somewhere, but
we don't have the resources at my site to support one. I would be happy to
volunteer to work on any administrative tasks I could handle remotely,
though.

I would also suggest that it would be very beneficial if we managed to keep
the number of new judges appearing to a minimum--preferably one, but
certainly nothing like ten or twenty. One of the great things about the
Washington judge was its uniqueness: it was a central gathering point for
Diplomacy players across the continent and around the world. Scattering its
players to multiple sites will almost certainly lower both the quantity and
quality of play.

There's certainly nothing to prevent anyone who wants to from starting up
their own judge, of course, but there never was before either: the de facto
centrality of Washington made secondary efforts seem superfluous. If someone
can step forward with a fair certainty that they can set up an adjudicator
at their site, I would definitely urge others to let them do so, and see if
we can smoothly move everything from one site to another. A lot to hope for,
I know, but I think it's worth trying.

Comments, suggestions, etc. welcomed as always.
--
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts


From: clune@physics2.berkeley.edu (Tom Clune)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Imminent death of the Net predicted; film at 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:46:51
Organization: UC Berkeley Department of Physics
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In-reply-to: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:28:18
 GMT

It seems that we need to divide the role of the judge into two parts.
It is desirable to have a central computer for starting games
and for obtaining maps etc.  However, it seems to me that minor
modificiations could be made to have the central Judge distribute new
games among a small set of other sites.  People playing the game
would be told the address that all of their orders and such should be
sent to.  Any computer types feel up to the task of trying this?

- Tom

PS:  I am pretty new to the judge, but just in this last month
I already feel like saying thanx to Ken for the judge.


From: kbs@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth Brian Samuel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Imminent death of the Net predicted; film at 11
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:29:48 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
 <1992Nov18.071550.20248@muddcs.claremont.edu>
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Summary: New Judge!

In article <1992Nov18.071550.20248@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
 irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:

> I would be happy to
> volunteer to work on any administrative tasks I could handle remotely,

	I have  not  yet read all my news.  (There  is a  lot!)  So, I
apologize if this has  already been suggested. But why can't the judge
remain set up at  the washington site,  and have Josh take over as the
administrator, remotely.
	Actually, I would say that to prevent the burnout problems from
happening  again,  it would  be  a  good idea  to  have more  than one
administrator,  to divide up the work.  Perhaps  seven people  --- One
responsible for each day of the week...

			Just MHO,

				Ken



From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Imminent death of the Net predicted; film at 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:26:30 GMT
 <1992Nov18.082818.9864@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
 <CLUNE.92Nov18014651@physics2.berkeley.edu>
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Originator: irilyth@fenris

In a prior article, Tom (clune@physics.berkeley.edu) writes:
> It seems that we need to divide the role of the judge into two parts.

I've thought about various client-server models for the judge, and haven't
really been able to come up with any. However, another scheme for splitting
the judge occurred to me the other day: it might be easier to get people to
create a number of single-variant judges rather than a single multi-purpose
one. There could be a standard judge, a gunboat-no-press judge, a white-
press/no partial judge, a non-standard-maps judge (Youngstown, Crowded,
Loeb9, Chaos, 1898, none of which are too huge), etc. Other divisions might
be better--this is just an off-the-top-of-my-head list--but setting up
separate sites for the different flavors of the game might be a good
compromise between a single monolithic site (which is only bad insofar as it
imposes huge resource demands on its maintainers) and a bunch of scattered
sites.

Thoughts?
--
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts


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