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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Veitch Animal Man
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:29:29 GMT

In article <djung.718577688@sfu.ca> djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung) writes:
>general opinion on the issues in-between, done by Tom Veitch (I think --
>it's not Rick, is it?).  I've heard from a couple of source that they're
>nowhere near as good as those by Morrison and Milligan....Is this true?

Yep, it was Tom Veitch who did Animal Man, not Rick Veitch. My opinion can
be summed up by what my dealer said when I told him to put AM back on my
pull sheet after reading the first Delano issue; "Yeah, a lot of people are
putting it back on now that it's good again". 

The clincher for me in dropping it during the Veitch run was when Veitch
wrote in to CBG that he was doing a single story over 18 issues, by far
the longest ever done in comics. Given that he seemed totally ignorant of
the much longer and better single story(s) which had been done in Cerebus,
I realized that, unlike with Sim, I had no reason to think he'd pull it
off despite a current lag and plenty of reason to think he couldn't.

"I mean, you don't seem like a bad guy to me..."
"I don't, huh? I got a death touch, an army of killer robots and a skull
drawn on my chest and I don't look like a bad guy to you? I think you could
be in the wrong business." --Animal Man and the Red Mask
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: pkor@zombie (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Corto Maltese
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:12:41 GMT

	Yo !

Any Corto Maltese fans out there in the net.land ?? I'm a great fan and have
read most of the albums. Opinions ?? Any Corto Maltese GIFs FTPable anywhere ?

	Pasi

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy #1
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:04:19 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

> *Someone* at Marvel must think that selling first issues bagged in a
> clever sales gimmick.  Okay, they can be clever without me. 

My shop got a photocopied preview of the book a few weeks ago.  I assume
this went out to most shops that ordered the comic. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: 'The New Affurmative Action!' Debuts!
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.81610
Reply-To: hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: hepfox@grumpy.cc.utexas.edu


   I'd like to announce an all-new, all-comics, all-anthropomorphic
fanzine called "The New Affurmative Action!", the first issue of
which was just released last week.

   For those of you who are interested in anthro's (also known to
some as "funny animals"), The New AA! is the only fan publication
that has all comics, all issue, every issue.  (Other 'zines 
usually have lots of text stories and/or single-page illustrations.)
The New AA! will be published bi-monthly, and has a strict
no-erotica policy (no age statement required, kids!).  And of
course, as with all fanzines, it welcomes and encourages unsolicited
submissions from new artists.

   If you'd like to know more about how to contribute stories and/or
how to subscribe, you may send email (or an SASE to the address below)
for complete details.


The-one-who-will-SOON-get-a-real-job-and-be-able-to-go-to-
every-con-and-ultimately-become-more-famous-than-Sim,

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.013313.6508@zip.eecs.umich.edu> colomon@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Colomon Foster) writes:
>The problem with this theory is that the ONLY reason to believe
>the conversation is set before Unity was raped is the comment that
>there is a Vortex.  And in the last chapter of The Doll's House,
>Unity says: "I should have been the vortex.  If you had not
>been imprisoned away from the Dreaming, I would have been."
>Unity was not a vortex; she merely had the potential to be one.

Last things first: Unity's comment isn't proof. Arguably, Rose
didn't become the Vortex until she started tearing dreams apart,
attracting stray dreams to her, etc.; but they still called her
the Vortex before-hand.  Besides, one might expect Unity to be a
little muddled about whether she had been a vortex, since she was
sleeping through the whole business. In any event, the whole
thing was unprecedented; can you say with confidence that it was
the "potential" to be a Vortex which was transmitted, and not the
Vortexness itself? (Remember, we did see actual Vorticity being
transmitted, from Rose to Unity.)

Anyway, Desire says "There's a Vortex, the first of this age...
and it's a *woman*." [Emphasis in original.] I've said why it was
significant that Unity was a woman. Now you tell me: Why was it
important (to Desire) that Rose was a woman? We never saw a hint
of attraction between Rose and Dream.

On top of which, there's pleasing symmetry in having this
conversation take place before the whole business starts (i.e.
before Unity was raped) and having the last conversation (between
Dream and Desire) take place after the whole business ends.

Note that from all we've seen, Desire's involvement in the Rose
Walker episode was long before Rose was born. It doesn't make
sense for this conversation to take place in recent years.

Finally, there's the bit about me always being right. (I did
mention that, didn't I?)
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH#36
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:53:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.215301.7326
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

The artwork is the worst I've seen so far on this title, which made it
particularly surprising to encounter the congratulatory letter (and self-
congratulatory response) that led off the letter column.  The last panel
on page sixteen was particularly painful.

The Bounty plot-twist could have used more foreshadowing.  If they don't
do more with this, it will have been a poor bit of writing.

Speaking of poor writing, I think they'll be making a bad mistake if
they actually come out and *say* which group is the original.  It'll
be a worse mistake if they actually mean to stick to Brainiac's notion
that it's the younger group.  Are we supposed to believe that the
Dominators cloned the other group, speed-grew them, cured the original 
Lightning Lad's arm, transferred the Proty personality to the clone,
killed off one of the Triplicate Girl clone's bodies...?

The next-issue blurb says "Life gets complicated for ex-Legionnaire
Thom Kallor (Star Boy) when he discovers the ageless, universally
popular sport that's occupying his time these days isn't the sport
former Legion teammate Nura Nal (Dream Girl) has on *her* mind."
I infer that they are going to have a difference of opinion over
the relative merits of Moopsball and Robot Gladiators.

The best line of this issue is from the young Duplicate Girl:
"This two-Brainy stuff is kind of weird."  Do you suppose that
we're seeing another retcon in action -- that Carggg is being
retconned to be a dark world whose inhabitants have compensated
by evolving enormous eyes?

The letters page also implies that the original plan for issue
39 (double-sized, with three parallel storylines) is still on.

Are all the letters handled by the same person?  Tom and Mary
signed the response to the last letter in the letter column,
but was it they who responded to the first letter by explaining
that the Terra Mosaic was superior to the Khund War because it
was Keith's and not the Bierbaums?  (It seems a thoughtless thing
to write, given that Keith's left and the Bierbaums haven't.)

The last page gives us the battered Earth, with its disrupted
weather patterns and a ring instead of a moon.  Is something
supposed to be eclipsing the Earth (the line is too curved to
be the terminator) or is that darkened arc just for effect?

You'd think Tenzil would know better than to turn his back on himself.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: nicholas@next19pg2.wam.umd.edu (Ronnie Simonds)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:31:13 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

> In <YAMAUCHI.92Oct11125939@sartre.ces.cwru.edu> yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu  
(Brian Yamauchi) writes:
> 
> >Perhaps this has been answered in previous issues, but I was wondering
> >why the Endless needed physical transportation in this issue.  Can't
> >Dream simply materialize anywhere he chooses?

All great quests have to involve a journey.  Dream of all- people? beings?  
concepts?- certainly understands this.... plus he values tradition almost  
as much as Destiny.  And he knows what makes a good story. :)

For the same reasons, Dream's only going to hit three people on Delirium's  
list.

-Ronnie "has a copy of the lost Morpheus/Bob Hope 'On the Road to...'  
film" Simonds
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From: jcowling@godzilla.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Image gets competition?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.200203.22257@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>This is indeed good news and i really hope that it happens. But really
>Jim, I figured you of all people on the net would know better than to
>reprint articles on the net without permission from the original source.
>that isn't right and and it has definately been mentioned on net before.
>I know it is important news, but it could have been told without
>reprinting the article on net.

It's Fair Use.

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Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Re: Grendel - War Child ..
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:03 EST  

In article <1bdtnsINN84t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool) writes...
> 
>In <22875@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
> 
>>:Well, the only reason I bought Grendel is because everyone on the net was  
>>:saying how good this book is/was.  I missed the first ones, so I decided to  
>>:give warchild a chance...  sofar BIG dissappointemnt (espec. #3)  Matt is  
>>:dragging this thing out beyond belief!
>
>If Warchild is your first exposure to Grendel, there are some things you
>should realize.  First off, the other stories so far have been nothing like
>this.  That's ok, no two Grendel stories are alike in style - that's alot
>of the point.
>  
>about the nature of this new Grendel are holding my attention.  Probably not
>so interesting to someone who doesn't know about the nature of the Grendel
>force or the life of Orion. 

I just read Grendel: War Child #1-3.  I like to wait till I have a bunch of
books from a series so I can read them in one sitting.  I enjoyed the books 
very much and am eagerly awaiting the rest of the story.

Anyways, War Child is my first exposure to Grendel and I think it stands 
very well on its own.  I was not crazy about the art at first, but it's 
starting to grow on me.  Much of the story and characterization is done 
in the wordless panels.  Very effectively too.

From "Zeus's" comments I guess I must have missed all the previous 
discussions on Grendel; his was the first I'd seen.  I would strongly 
recommend the series to new and old fans alike.  From the text and letters 
printed at the end of each issue, its obvious Grendel has a rich history.  
That history is not essential to enjoy War Child.  I'll probably try to 
pick up those earlier stories however because War Child has me hooked.  I 
want to know more about Grendel and his very intriguing world.


Just my $2.00 worth,
 - Wayne.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:47:28 GMT

zeus@watserv writes:
[Incredibly long and rude flame omitted, but you can see it for yourself if you
have the stomach]
Heh.
     Gee, you're opinions regarding how good Cyberforce is carry *so* much 
weight now after that little diatribe.  Slinging mud on Netlurker doesn't 
really affect the validity of his points, but makes yours suspect by 
association with such immature actions.  This isn't politics (well, not 
totally).  You're not backing Cyberforce for some high office that will affect 
your very life.  Your future does not depend on Cyberforce being hailed by all 
as a masterpiece of the genre...it could be roundly condemned and it wouldn't 
affect you or even cancel the book (it's only a 3 issue LS, after all).  So 
there is no need to get so personal and insulting.  Netlurker tried to think 
about his comments before he made them...did you?
     Dave Van Domelen, yes this was a flame, but hopefully a constructive one
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS recommendations?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.053602.17740@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>I'll buck the trend and give you a solid recommendation: Ask for
>"High Society". The first phone book just isn't as good as Dave
>can manage. All right, neither is High Society, but it's got some
>of his funniest stuff, and gives you a good idea what he's
>capable of. ALso, as has been said, you can pick things up as you
>go along in High Society. I, on the other hand, started reading
>early in Church & State, and it was brutal. The problem wasn't
......

A strong second on this suggestion.  I read the first phone book and
didn't pick up Cerebus again for a couple of years, even though I
enjoyed it.  I read High Society and was instantly hooked and couldn't
get enough.  But between these two phone books I tried Church & State
and was damn confused.  So if you have to pick a place to start, I say
High Society is best.


Pax ex machina,
Glenn-Khan
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"We better get a *big* increase in circulation out of this, Sim...
 Cerebus feels like a *fool* ..."
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
"We're all plants.  Cerebus can feel it ... "






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From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:02:45 GMT

In article <22878@galaxy.ucr.edu>, zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) wrote:
> 
> I agree with the first post on this one.  Silvestri did the BEST work he has  
> done in a long time.  Since I happen to think that Jim Lee is the best at what  
> is out there right now I would venture to say that Silvestri out did Lee this  
> time!  And when anyone out there happens to critisize either Lee or Silvestri,  
> then I would like to know WHO draws better then them...?
> 
> And don't tell me McFarland or Byrne.  Although I like their art, Byrne's  
> figures look like stick figures compared to Silvestri or Lee and Mcfarland  
> hasn't had an anatomy lesson in his life! (I still like his stuff, but I rate  
> Silvestri and Lee in a highger artistic category!)
> 

McFarlane (no 'd') and Byrne have styles very similar to Lee and
Silvestri's, so
choosing which of them is a better artist would be a decision between whose

style of excessive detail is better.  McFarlane's people are too bendy, 
Silvestri puts speed lines in every open inch of space, Byrne's people all
have
the same face and even his fat people look skinny, etc, etc.

In my opinion, I rank all the above artists as very similar and who I would
call better would depend on the story in question:  Byrne better for an 
story with lots of machines, McFarlane for Nightcrawler or Spider-Man, etc.

Who is the better artist for a given title is entirely subjective.  Even 
Liefeld-esque gross errors in anatomy can be very effective when used
properly
(see Simon Bisley, although he exaggerates to hell, not distorts), so the
decision of who is the 'best' artist is not relevant.

Still, I would like to ask people who think Lee and Silvestri and McFarlane

are art gods:  "what is your opinion of the following artists, most of whom
I 
feel are better artists than the Image crew, and why do you feel the Image
guys are better?"

If you've never seen their work , say so:  that's an answer unto itself.
If you have, tell me why you think the Image boys are better, and I'll say
why I like my picks better, and we can have a nice polite discussion about
whose techniques convey mood and story better, without just shouting about
who's cooler.

Dave Sim & Gerhard (Cerebus)
Martin Wagner (Hepcats)
Ben Dunn      (Ninja High School)
Matt Wagner   (Mage, Grendel, Demon mini, Aerialist)
Frank Miller  (Sin City, Daredevil, Dark Knight, Wolverine mini)
David Lloyd   (first name may be wrong, V for Vendetta, Miracleman)
Michael Zulli (Puma Blues, TMNT)
John Totleben
Matt Howarth  (Post Bros, Savage Henry, Keif Llama)
Will Eisner   (Spirit)
Scott McCloud (Zot)
Kyle Baker    (Shadow, Why I Hate Saturn)

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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Destruction! (SPOILER)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: gallery
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:24:37 GMT

 solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>One last random musing: The other Galleries we've seen have been
>in the realms of their owners. Destruction's gallery, on the
>other hand, is in a house on Earth (at least, I assume it's
>Earth). Why the discrepancy? I can think of two explanations:

Y'know, I have this terrible feeling that Destruction is living in the villa
opposite Orpheus' temple. What could possibly go wrong?

Tanaqui
From: tmw4r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Munroe Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Help from DC buffs requested
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:19:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct15.001933.5855
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <ldogc9INN5g@curie.bbn.com> kgodfrey@curie.bbn.com (Kathy Godfrey) writes:
>I'll probably regret getting into the when-did-Earth-II-become-
>Earth-I can of worms, but retroactive changes aside, I've
>always considered the main difference between the Golden
>Age and Silver Age versions of Superman was that the GA
>Superman was never Superboy, while the SA Superman was.
>However, it is true that the Silver Age Superman was
>never "reinvented" the way the Silver Age Green Lantern
>or Flash was.  
>
>>>Kathy

The first appearance of Superboy was in More Fun Comics #101 (cover
dated January/February 1945) which puts the Silver Age Superman
beginning sometime in late 1944, only six and a half years after the
first appearance of the Golden Age Superman.  This does not make for
a good breaking point.

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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Neil Gaiman's Sandman ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  8 Oct 1992 23:19 EST  

Hi.

Does Neil Gaiman own the Sandman character and all the other characters
in the Sandman series?  I remember reading something about other writers
having to ask for permission to use the characters.  With the new Vertigo 
line coming out, I was curious if the spin-off books would be under Neil's
"control."

Thanks,
 - Wayne.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD on Spectacular Spidey?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:11:11 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>My work on Spec Spidey was somewhat on and off.  Starting with #103,
>I wrote most of the issues through #117, I think, and then a few more
>up to #127, I think.

Eh, forget Spidey, I'd love to see you (as you mentioned in Previews)
writing a Doc Savage story, say for Millenium.  Nobody's beaten Doug
Moench in that department yet.
-- 
Love does not make the world go around, just up and down a bit.
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