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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: TNG: The roles they play...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:24:28 PST

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>Has anyone thought about the roles Troi and Dr. Crusher play?

>Troi:  getting in touch with people's feelings, that whole nurturing,
>       emotional, understanding bit.  The stereotypical realm of
>       women that macho leader men keep out of.

>Dr. Crusher:  another nurterer.  Sure she's important - she saves
>       lives and is a respected scientist/doctor.
>       But is she a leader?  Is she 'boldly going where no one has
>       gone before'?  Well maybe in her lab in the Enteprise, but it's
>       still the men out there DOING the exploring.  It's Dr. Crusher
>       they come back to - like mom - when they need to be taken care
>       of.

>If my point isn't clear, I am saying that these women are not quite
>the strong females role models breaking the bonds of stereotypes.
>They stay in the typical female domains of nurture and emotion.  It
>is better than nothing, but I want to see a woman making political,
>diplomatic, tactical, etc decisions with the same authority as Picard.

Personally, I don't understand all of the Troi-trounching and
Crusher-crushing.  Now, I admit I am a male-chauvanist-pig.  That
out of the way, I can tell you I enjoy Marina Sirtis' breasts and
I like her big butt.  Captain Jelico is obviously intimidated by her
feminine attributes as are most of you and that's why he wants her
hidden.I say, less uniform and more breasts...and lets see some legs
too!

As for Dr. Crusher...everyone seems shocked that this "motherly figure"
can radiate sexuality.  I am not shocked at all.  I know several mothers
that are incredibly sexy and I am married to at least one of them.  I
think they ought to show more of Dr. Crusher's passionate side.  After
all we saw the tough and no-nonsense Tasha Yar in some pretty slinky
stuff and she put a smile on Data's face when they did the wild thang.
And I believe it was that same episode that Bev starts unzipping that
high collar of hers...hooray I was thrilled...she needs to cut loose.
Deanna is always getting the guys, let's see a Crusher love scene.

Now, perhaps you all are right.  When we are performing our duties we
should wear our uniforms but these folks must have a life, right?  Let's
see some of it.

BTW, as for Dr. Crusher going where no one as gone before, how about
being the firsthuman female we've seen that actually touched a Ferengi's
errogenous zone.  Ick!

As long as I'm preaching blasphemy here, I think that there should be
more main characters.  We see the exploits of a very few, why not
broaden that scope.  Similar to, but not to the same extent, as the
soaps on daytime TV where there is more than one plot at a time and the
plot is not always resolved on the same show.  Let's have several plot
lines and have them resolved over several episodes.

Scott 'heretic in the temple' VanArtsdalen
PP-ASEL, MCP (male chauv. pig)
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:04:51 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Followups set to r.a.s.misc.

kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>This was on the AP Newsnet this morning, thought it might be of interest:

>AVERY BROOKS:  DON'T LOOK FOR HIM AT TREKKIE CONVENTIONS

>	Randor, pennsylvania------The commander of the latest Star trek series
>says you won't find him doing any Star Trek conventions.  Avery Brooks says he
>isn't into that.  Brooks plays commander Sisko in the upcoming TV series "Star
>Trek: Deep Space nine."  

[...]

>_______________END OF QUOTED MATERIAL______________________________________

>Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
>job, and who have no idea what this role means to people?  

Yes.  

What it means to *you* has no bearing on *how he should do his job*.
He is an actor.  Thus, he will act in the role.  Conventions are a whole 
different ballgame, and not related to how he'll do on the show.

Try not to let your own obsessions get in the way of understanding what an 
acting role means.  Brooks isn't in this to sign autographs for you.

Tim Lynch
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: *** Spoiler Comments *** on "Chain of Command Part I"
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 03:31:08 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
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Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <rawdon.725307127@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1992Dec16.034458.17477@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>- Now, the complaint that will no doubt crop up (already has): Why are they
>>sending such a "noted officer" as Picard on such an important mission?  About
>>a third of the way through, I had a theory: The Cardassians want to get back
>>at Picard for the defeats he's brought them.
>
>Actually (having not yet seen part II), I would have to ask, "WHAT defeats?"
>The Cardassians have barely appeared in Trek.  Only in "The Wounded" (where
>Captain Maxwell was more instrumental than Picard in detecting the
>Cardassians' efforts) and maybe "Ensign Ro", right?

Yep, ER, sure.  But I was thinking more along the lines of defeats perhaps
when Picard was aboard the Stargazer.  In "The Wounded," we learned that
he had had prior meetings with them.  



>
>>						Jelico wants the Enterprise.
>>They, along with the admiral, get together and devise a plan to deliver
>>Picard to the Cardassians.  As the episode wore on, it looked like I was
>>right.  I was congratulating myself.  Jelico goes to talk to the admiral on a
>>secured channel.  Now, I'm sure I'm right, and *then*: "I hope we will see
>>our *friends* again."  AAAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!  Get the picture?  Leaving
>>whether Jelico and the admiral are involved (or just one of them) in the plot
>>totally up in the air was a brilliant idea.  Now, I'm not so sure.  It's
>>seems like they're setting us up for one direction, but they could go the
>>other way.  I'll guess we'll find out next week.
>
>Like I said in my review, I think having Jellico in on some sort of treasonous
>activity would be a big letdown.  The Vice Admiral I don't much care about (or
>for).  I'd just rather she didn't appear again.  I think this episode would do
>best without trying to get clever, but actually turning out to be what it
>appears to be.

Warning:  ***Spoilers** for Chain of Command Part II:


Well, Michael, it looks like you got your wish both ways. I wouldn't have
minded at all if there was some sort of conspiracy going on, as long as there
was a good, believable reason for it.  I do like the way it turned out, though,
because now we can see Jellico again at some point.  He was a terrific 
character.

As for the Admiral, didn't notice anything too bad.  She wasn't really a big
enough character to bother me or not bother me.


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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:37:01 GMT

[after unnecessarily quoting my entire post, Tony Perreault chooses not  
to respond to the main point of the entire thread (restated at least  
twice by me).  Instead, Tony Perreault chooses to say (yet again) the  
same reason why Troi should wear non-uniform clothes (_any_ non-uniform  
clothes) instead of a uniform]

Please re-read previous messages in this thread to determine what has  
been stated and what the question is.

What is interesting is just how few people seem to have any answer to  
the question being asked (it just so happens, however, that of the  
people with answers, these people and I reached the same answer).  It's  
not a difficult question for those that can see what the goal of Troi's  
usual attire really is.
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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors...When
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:33:18 GMT, N2SX000 <N2SX@UNB.CA> wrote:

N2>3 pips: two filled, one empty.  I have *never* seen anyone with a semi-c
N2>ircle on their collar.  A Lt. Cmdr. is a type of commander.  Would you
N2>say a Lt. junior grade is not a Lt.?  Lt. is an adjective which
N2>modifies the noun Commander.  (geez, get picky, why don't you??? :) )

You're mistaken.  A lieutenant commander is not a commander - the two are
different, distinct ranks, just as commander and captain are two distinct
ranks.  Grammatically, "lieutenant commander" is a two-word noun, not an
adjective and a noun.  Lieutenant commanders are often addressed as
"Commander" for the sake of expediency; this is true in Starfleet as well
as today's U.S. Navy (and has an analogous equivalent in the Army, where
"Lieutenant Colonel" is a step below "Colonel").

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:DSN The Emissary **SPOILERS**
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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In article <wallich.725776831@lupine> wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:
<Well, I just finished watching the tape I made earlier today of the
<first feed.  A few spoilers follow, but I'm not going to review it in
<depth, or tell the whole story.  You should just watch the show if you
<want to know what happens.

You forgot the spoiler blocker (the control L)


<
<Well, that's about it.  This is certainly better than "Encounter at
<Farpoint".  I'm hoping these folks can take where they've gotten
<ST:TNG and carry it forward here.  Linear time will tell (you gotta
<see the show).

Linear time... or read the script, like I did. :-)
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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Re: Uniforms in Chain of Command
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:48:04 GMT

>>	In Chain of Command part II, how come Dianna Troi is wearing
>> a blue medical uniform?   Is it because of the new captain, or because
>> counselling and phsycology is medical?

> 1) Blue means science, not specifically medical.
> 2) Jellico gave her a specific order in Part I to wear a standard uniform.

True...But I'd be willing to wager it no longer applied to the Physical
Sciences as it did back in ST:TOS.
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:04:10 GMT

: Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:
: 
: 
: Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
: Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
: a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.

  **********

: Jellico was correct. He doesn't have time for a honeymoon with the crew.
: He, as an arm of the Federation, is trying to prevent a standoff with
: the Cardassians from turning into war. But he must be ready for it in
: the mean time.  The E-crew just doesn't seem to get it.


  I had a brigade commander tell me...."When you're in command, COMMAND!"

  One of the things a new commander must do immediately is begin molding his
  subordinates and staff into his style of command and leadership.  One of the
  first things subordinates must do is immediatley transfer loyalty to the new
  commander and begin adjusting to his/her style.  That's their lot in life.
  If they don't like it - go get their own command.  

  It's very difficult - unnerving - uneasy - unsettling.  In 'peacetime' you
  have the luxury of a period of time to adjust.  On your way to a possible
  military confrontration - there's no time for niceties and pleasantries.

  Jellico has taken command = "lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!"
  A command naturaly takes on the personality of its commander.  Some 
  transitions are smooth and easy - some are difficult and painful.  
  Fortunately (unfortunatley) the subordinates don't get a vote!

  There are lots of styles of leadership - commanding by 'fear' is one of them.

  Interestingly enough - way back a hundred years ago - after I took command
  of a unit (intelligence unit) that afternoon I called in my staff and
  subordinate commanders.  One section was used to wearing 'civilian' clothes
  (intelligence types).  We were in a combat division.  I ordered everyone to
  begin wearing combat fatigues as the 'duty uniform' by 0600 the next morning.




-- 
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are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first. 

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From: baruch@nynexst.com (Robert Baruch)
Subject: CoC funny
Reply-To: baruch@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:03:02 GMT


I hate to poke this kind of fun, but when I'm 
finished disposing of metabolic wastes and
I stand up, am I supposed to say "I stand relieved"?

(Sorry!)

--Rob
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Troi Smut????
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:11:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
Can anyone clear this up?


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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec26.060404.3933@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>I would guess that it's an extra security measure. Sort of like
>hand (finger) identification for access to places with security
>needs (engineering, bridge, brig, shuttlebays, etc.). They
>didn't bother to tell us (of course) ...

How's this?

Call buttons on quarters are a courtesy - signal before entering, please.
The proper occupant probably has the option of programming the door to
open or not on his or her own approach (as the computer could detect by
the combadge id).

Turbolifts would probably want a call button.  It would be wasteful
to summon a turbolift cab every time someone approached a turbolift
entrance (and frustrating to security when they want to wait for someone
arriving).


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From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:32 CST
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In article <1992Dec30.073335.9908@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes...

}^L
Note -- typing "^L" does not create a form feed. "^L" represents the process
of holding the Control key and typing an "L".

}Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
}was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
}Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
}the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
}kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
}excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
}that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

"Earth" also means "soil", "ground", etc. If what we "hear" on the show is
simply the equivalent of a Universal Translator, then whatever term the
Cardassians would use for "dig up" or "excavate" or "discover" could be
translated into English as "unearth". If the Cardassians actually learned
English, or its Federation equivalent at least, they would still use that term.

If they had said "we 'uncardassed' some artifacts" people would be complaining
about how stupid that sounds. <grin>

 - Dave Martin - Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M - 
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro) not interested in TNG or DS9
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:13:34 GMT

I seem to have heard this somewhere earlier, but according to the
current issue of TV guide, the producers of TNG and DS9 have been
unable to entice Forbes to reprise her role as Ensign Ro. She is,
they said,"just not interested." This is a damn shame, not only 
because she is an interesting character (probably the strongest
female character on the show) but, IMHO, the most attractive female
cast member (on a list that what's-her-face Crosby doesn't even 
appear on--gack!) 


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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:16:49 GMT

ynecelc@s1w3.sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:

>Is DSN running on NBC everywhere else?(It is in Montreal.)
>Since TNG is on ABC(in MTL), competition between the networks 
>will make both shows much more interesting.(IMHO)

Nope, no network owns it. It's sydicated. (In Grand Rapids, MI, TNG is
on CBS and DSN is on FOX.)

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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:42:38 GMT

In article <rawdon.725565542@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1hn2gbINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>>> would be no less valid then having a Gloria Steinem or Jane Fonda or
>>> Sigourney Weaver type (or any other more "liberal" sorts) in command.  But
>>> I doubt that it would make any of the people who long for a female captain
>>> very happy.
>
>>i dont know, i think ripley would make an excellent "battle ship" captain
>>(ncc 1701-c).
>
>You cut out the most important part of my paragraph!  How would you feel with
>a Marilyn Quayle or Phyllis Schlafly in command of the Enterprise?  THAT was
>what I was asking!
>
I don't know about Marilyn; I am scared of her husband potentially
running this country, much less a starship.  :)
Phyllis Schlafly?  Too dangerous.
How about Hillary Clinton, though?  I think she'd be great!
And you know, I really do think Gates McFadden's Crusher would
make a suitable captian.

Marc
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:54:22 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <ewright.725650358@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
<In <4644@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<
<>Crusher and Troi are not line officers and can never hold such a position.
<>Data out-ranks Geordi.
<
<As Chief Engineer, Geordi may not be a line officer either. In
<the US Navy, he wouldn't be.  Given how many times Scotty had
<command of the Enterprise in TOS, though, I think Star Fleet's
<regulations are different.

Good point and very true.
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