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Date: 31 Dec 92 01:40:04 MST
From: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu (William Petrisko)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Panasonic KXT-123211 Software
Reply-To: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 927, Message 8 of 14

We recently purchased a Panasonic KXT-1232-11D hybrid key telephone
system.  One feature that attracted us to it was the availablity to
program it over the RS-232 port.  This, however, leaves A LOT to be
desired ... infact, it seems it is actually easier to program from a
display set, because it actually tells you what you are programming
instead of having to use the program book to reference the cryptic
codes.  Does anyone know of PC software available as a front-end to
programming the Panasonic phone system?

Also (just an annoyance factor) when dialing, it seems that the
touchtone echo is *delayed* until you get to the third or fourth
digit.  So one starts dialing (moderately fast paced) and about the
fourth digit in, digits one to four quickly echo back, which really
throws you off if you are used to hearing ONE digit echoed IMMEDIATELY
after each button pressed.  Anyone have a clue about this?  (ie: is
there a programming feature OR something that will either fix/turn it
off?)


Thanks,

bill petrisko                 petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
aka n7lwo   ...!uunet!4gen!warlok!gargle!omnisec!thumper!bill
Date: 25 Dec 1992 04:07:46 -0500
From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: NT Caller ID Unit
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 919, Message 7 of 14

Is Caller-ID available in PA, and if not does anyone know if and when
it will be arriving?

Is there a Caller-ID box that has an RS-232 output?


Thank you,

stuart b. tener   tener@cs.widener.edu    (215)-338-6005
email is prefered rather than posting a reply to the news group.


[Moderator's Note: Caller-ID is considered an Evil and Bad Thing in
PA. A judge there ruled that Socially Responsible people would not use
it since it is 'an illegal tap and trace' device. There are devices to
do what you want and various software programs as well, but if you are
in PA, you can forget it.  What do PA and CA have in common? I'll let
John H. respond to that.
From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Pocket Auto-Dialer?
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:18:11 GMT
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 7, Message 12 of 13

I too have been waiting for a "pocket databank" which incorporates an
auto-dialer.  The closest thing to it that I have yet seen is the
Psion Series 3 "palmtop", but at $400 it's a bit too functional for my
needs.  Not too much, though, and the price will probably drop.

One notch down from that is the Sharp EL-6260 Dialmaster Pocket Auto Dialer.
According to the advertising text it:

- Stores up to 450 names [short ones, probably - lws] and numbers
- Features 12-character X 2-line display
- Tone generator dials numbers
- 2 search keys
- Secret function
- Calling card function
- Back-up battery.

Listed by J&R Music World at $55.
Date: 3 Jan 93 14:01:32 EST (Sun)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Good Opportunity For Fraud
Organization: I.E.C.C.
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Hey, I'm following up my own note.  Isn't there a physical law or
something to prevent this?

> [Moderator's Note: But please note there is also something on the card
> which provides for a so-called 'overnight limit'.

The $100 when the network is down is a nice feature, but not one that
is widely available.  Around here, when the network goes down,
machines put up the CLOSED sign.  That's one of the reasons I have six
ATM cards in my wallet from four different banks.

Citibank machines in New York City at least used to have a similar
feature.  For a long time, over a year, someone who clearly had inside
information was using an old invalid Citicard to make $100 withdrawals
from machines all over the city when the machines were offline while
their network nodes were down for maintenance.  The maintenance
schedule was deliberately erratic and quite secret.  Had the guy used
the card even once in an on-line machine the card would have been
eaten and that would have been that.  I never heard whether they
managed to catch him.  I'd think that it would have been
straightforward to set up a sting to catch him in the act.


Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl


[Moderator's Note: I think the banks here which give money on trust
when the network is down do have something called a 'negative listing'
of cards which should not be honored in that way. Here in the Chicago
area, the First National Bank operates the Cash Station computer (as
well as their own, of course), so using one of their cards at one of
their own machines is a bit different than using their card at a
machine which is only on line occassionally, etc. Some machines here
seem to only contact the main system once a day during the night.
Those machines have a record of whatever the system told them from the
night before, and they go by those figures all day. I know when I
asked the Devon Bank about this, they specifically stated their cash
station was NOT on line all the time. They can deal with their own
customers records at all times; they get the rest of the records
whenever they do. Clever people have found ways to get some float out
of the cash machines over holiday periods, etc, knowing they won't
actually see the transaction on their own account for two or three
days in the event of a three day weekend.  PAT]
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993  05:09:50 EST
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Format of ZIP Code Bars on Envelopes
Reply-To: TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 6, Message 4 of 10

In TELECOM Digest 12-928, ssay@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (say,halim s)
asks:

> I would like to find out the encoding for the ZIP code bars on USPS
> mail envelopes.

Ask the post office for the circular on bar code.  It's a small
pamphlet of about 5 pages, and it explains how all of the codes work,
as there are two codes; one for ZIP code and one for ZIP+4 code.
There is no charge for the pamphlet.  If your local Post Office
doesn't have it, try a main office in a large city.


Paul Robinson -- TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
These opinions are mine alone
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:57:18 GMT
From: co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: EasyLink and Internet?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 3, Message 3 of 12

As far as I can tell you could always send to Internet from EasyLink.
In the help files it tells you how. A bit costly I would guess, but if
you needed to send a message I guess the cost would not matter.  I
tried it once when I first got on Internet and it worked fine. I was
even able to send one to myself on GTEMail. As time passes more of the
systems seem to be linking.
From: dave@westmark.com (Dave Levenson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Another Payphone Mystery?
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:49:29 GMT
Organization: Westmark, Inc.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 7, Message 9 of 13

In article <telecom13.1.5@eecs.nwu.edu>, JOHN SCHMIDT <schmidt@auvax1.
adelphi.edu> writes:

[about a payphone that requested $2.00 in coin for an intra-state
toll call, and then allowed the same call to be placed using a
calling card for 85 cents.]

> I thought charged calls were generally more expensive than cash
> payphone calls, but then I rarely make long ...

The coin rate is the operator-assisted rate.  The calling-card rate is
usually less than the operator-assisted rate.  Intra-state calls
usually cost far more (per mile) than inter-state calls.  I'm not sure
what carrier you were using, or whether your call crossed a LATA
boundary.  All of these affect the price.


Dave Levenson		Internet: dave@westmark.com
Westmark, Inc.		UUCP: {uunet | rutgers | att}!westmark!dave
Warren, NJ, USA		Voice: 908 647 0900  Fax: 908 647 6857
From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: New List: TOUCHTON - Touch-Tone/Voice Response
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:14:46 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 914, Message 6 of 14

Forwarded message:

TOUCHTON on LISTSERV@SJSUVM1.BITNET
	 or LISTSERV@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU
	 Touch-Tone/Voice Response Systems Discussion List

TOUCHTON has been created to promote the discussion of the specifi-
cation, installation and maintenance of 'touch-tone' or voice response
technology.  While the discussions will likely concentrate on the
application of these systems to campus automated registration
(Periphonics et al), other uses for these systems are emerging and
their discussion is certainly encouraged.

To subscribe to this list, send the following note to LISTSERV@SJSUVM1
(or listserv@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu):

      SUBSCRIBE TOUCHTON yourfirstname yourlastname

List Owner:  John Sroka      sroka@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu
Technical Support Services   San Jose State University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:34:46 -0500
From: Dave.Leibold@f730.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: FidoNet / Dial Up to Telecom Archives
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 920, Message 11 of 11

mearle@falcon.ccsu.edu (Mark Earle) writes of his Fidonet node which
makes TELECOM Digest materials available.

I should mention The Super Continental BBS, which has a read-only link
to comp.dcom.telecom, as well as a telecom files section with some
material from the Archives (though not a complete or formal subset of
Archives material). It is also home to a couple of related Fidonet
conferences on telecom, cellular, FCC, etc.

The Super Continental can be reached at +1 416 398.6720 using
USRobotics HST/v32bis Dual Standard, 24 hours a day (maintenance, mail
processing excepted). No charge to use or get access; downloads should
be available on the first call, similar to Mark Earle's system
description.

Digest postings are limited on this BBS in a few respects: there is a
message limit, and old messages are automatically purged as new ones
arrive (at least the last 150 should be available). The newsgroup
comp.dcom.telecom also depends on regional hubs getting the posts and
reeling them in.

Fidonet node number for polls, file requests, etc is 1:250/730.  If
file requesting, try the alias name 'FILES' to get an idea of what
file features are available.

Hopefully a Fidonet-based Digest Archives mirror site can be
established soon.


Dave Leibold - via FidoNet node 1:250/98
INTERNET: Dave.Leibold@f730.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG



[Moderator's Note: I am not getting as far with this as I expected,
since there are other variables not yet resolved on this end. If
someone would be willing to establish or maintain a dialup site where
the Telecom Archives were kept (or some portion of them) along with
perhaps a year's worth of back issues of the Digest and make this
available to whoever wanted to call in and pull missing issues or
other files, it would be greatly appreciated.  One person did write me
about a month ago to say he was getting his site up and running and
would have a telecom section; I am greatly embarassed to say I lost
his name and correspondence. If he will write again, I will immediatly
add him to the mailing list if he is not already on it.

If those users who operate sites and allow dialup from strangers and
are also stocking back issues of the Digest and archives files want to
participate, please let me know. Around the first of the year I will
print a list of all the phone numbers, site names and instructions.
This should finally make it possible for our many non-internet readers
to have more or less full access to the archives files.  Thanks.  PAT]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:53:03 -0500
From: Steven L. Johnson <johnson@tigger.jvnc.net>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: AOS Payphones @#$%%%$#
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 917, Message 13 of 17

In comp.dcom.telecom castaldi@heroes.glassboro.edu writes:

> Now that they found ways to block 10-ATT-0, AT&T has an 800 access
> That puts you into a call processing system. "Press 1 to place an AT&T
> call" seems nice, doesn't it? Well guess what -- those rotten payphone
> operators will not allow the dialpad to work after a call is placed!

But doesn't that eventually connect you to an ATT operator, if you
don't press anything, who can place your call for you?

> What will they think of next!

The most recent twist that I've personally experienced was a phone
that after you dial 10-ATT-0-etc, comes back *bong* ITI Communications.  
So I guess it shouldn't have been a surprise that when I dialed
1-800-CALL-ATT that I heard "Press 1 to ..." (I forget the rest of the
wording) and after entering the phone number again heard *bong* ITI
Communications.  Both 0 and 00 were directed to ITI operators whot
claimed they were unable to connect to either local NYTel or ATT
operators.  Very thorough.


Steve, steve@johnson.jvnc.net


[Moderator's Note: You should have offered to pay with a generous
squirt of Crazy Glue down the coin slot, then attached one of the
little 'AOS Out of Compliance' stickers we discussed here in the
Digest some time ago. (See the file on same in the Archives.)  :)  PAT]
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 21:19:40 -0700
From: james@cs.ualberta.ca (James Borynec; AGT Researcher)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: All Circuits Are Busy Now ...
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 2, Message 2 of 12

On 25 Dec 92 21:26:00 GMT, john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) said:

> I would have thought that by now AT&T would have stopped its annoying
> practice of drastically reducing its capacity on holidays. A number of
> AT&T employees have told me that for reasons that are not very clear,
> the company has traditionally blocked off a major amount of the
> system's capacity on various holidays such as Christmas and Mother's
> Day. 

Network managers, traditionally have two means of controlling
high-volume traffic.  They can either re-route or they can block.
Re-routing is useful if the place they route it to has capacity to
spare.  Selective Blocking can actually RAISE the number of completed
calls by stopping calls that would fail anyway before they chew up
any more trunks.

Under traditional signalling schemes, a call attempt will aquire
available trunks until it either succeeds and is billed or fails and
releases the trunks.  In the second case, no money comes to the telco.
The Telco (AT&T in this case) seeks to avoid the second case, in order
to maximize revenue.


j.b.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 11:24:34 -0800
From: Jeff Sicherman <sichermn@csulb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Mission Impossible: IBT Getting My Order Correct
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 7, Message 2 of 13

In article <telecom13.5.1@eecs.nwu.edu> TELECOM Moderator <telecom@
eecs.nwu.edu> writes:

> The past week has been a barrel of laughs where IBT is concerned with an
> order to change some service for me.

  ... Story deleted ...

> For now, I'll be content if the software to be used on the computer
> associated with those lines arrives soon, gets installed and works
> okay. 

   Aside from the pleasure of the phone company getting hoisted on
their own caller-id petard (sp?), this story raised an interesting
idea:

   With the phone companies getting rid of intelligent and experienced
(and thus higher paid) people in record numbers (and, if Higdon is to
be believed, GTE well ahead of the industry in this strategy) the
opportunities for confusion over increasingly more complex and
potentially contradictory services with less decreasingly less
competent people at the phone company to deal with them would seem to
loom large.

   Perhaps it's time for them to take the lead of some banks and
provide some limited sort of ON-LINE (via modem and terminal/PC)
access for selected, knowledgeable customers to submit their own
work-orders by interacting with an expert system that has access to a
database of their current configuration, knowlegde of features and how
they interact with each other, and the logic to sort it all out
correctly. It would at least eliminate one source of mis-communication 
or mis-interpretation of both clients wishes and the nature of the 
modern phone system/network workings.


Jeff Sicherman
Date: 25 Dec 92 11:45:02 EST
From: Craig R. Watkins <CRW@icf.hrb.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Stray Thought ... IRcordless? (was Cordless Phones)
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 918, Message 5 of 9

In article <telecom12.912.10@eecs.nwu.edu>, shri%unreal@cs.umass.edu
writes:

> Are there any cordless phone anywhere in the world (not likely in
> US) that use InfraRed instead of RF?

I've used a Plantronics "speakerphone" which is a normal speakerphone
except for the fact that the microphone is located in a box the size
of a small IR remote control which is supposed to be placed on the
person, such as in a shirt pocket.  This "remote" transmits IR to the
base.

It works well and has much less room echo than regular (consumer)
speakerphones.  It was called something like a PhoneBeam.  I don't
know if they still produce them.


Craig R. Watkins    crw@icf.hrb.com
HRB Systems, Inc.   +1 814 238-4311


[Moderator's Note: According to Syd in the message before this, the
product line has been discontinued.   PAT]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:44 PST
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: SS7 Links Fron CA to NY via AT&T?
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
Organization: Green Hills and Cows
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 919, Message 5 of 14

Douglas Scott Reuben <DREUBEN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU> writes:

> Now I was wondering -- if this impressive call completion timing is
> due to SS7, does that mean that Caller ID should work?

Yes, and this is greatest joke of all on Californians. The activists
won the Caller-ID battle here by convincing the brain-dead CPUC to put
all kinds of restrictions on any CNID offering. Pac*Bell just days ago
announced that it was, in effect, giving up on any Caller-ID in
California.

But what people do not understand is that those preciously private
telephone numbers will soon be displayed out of state on a wide scale.
It is only other CALIFORNIANS that will not see the number displayed.
Already, I am told, telephones in Las Vegas display the numbers of
California callers. As AT&T and MCI (Sprint seems to have fallen by
the wayside) rapidly deploy SS7 connectivity to exchanges nationwide,
the CLASS services will traverse LATA boundaries.

This is the best 'gotcha' I have ever seen to hit technophobes.


John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407


[Moderator's Note: We seem to be getting some out of LATA Caller ID
messages here now also. Not many yet, but more than this time last
year. Remember the judge in Pennsylvania, who in his wisdom declared
Caller ID was an 'illegal trap and trace device'? I wonder if he'll be
getting after us here in Chicago once SS-7 makes delivery of caller
numbers from Pennsylvania to us a reality?  :)   PAT]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:14:53 EST
From: guy@ihlpw.att.com (Guy R Berentsen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Caller-ID and Forwarding 
Organization: AT&T
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 926, Message 5 of 10

In article <telecom12.917.9@eecs.nwu.edu>, splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee,
Speedy) writes:

> What happens when you call a phone that has been forwarded to another
> phone?  Does the ringing phone display the original calling number, or
> the number from which the call has been forwarded from?

I had my home phone (708-554-xxxx) forwarded to my work phone (708-979-
xxxx) for a week or two whhile my answering machine was out of service, 
and observed the following behavior:

If the call originated from the same exchange as my home phone (other
554 numbers) the orinator's phone number was displayed on the caller
ID display of my work phone.

If the call originated from other exchanges my home phone number was
displayed for the forwarded call.