From: gautam@Ingres.COM (Gautam Makani 748-2558)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Immigrants Getting Jobs
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:30:35 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

In article <15725@durer.cme.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>I might be stirring up some trouble here, but I'll probably enjoy it
>anyway. 
>With all of the foreign students coming here, I always wondered how
>they found employment. And not only employment, but got a Green Card,
>etc. I'm an engineer, a U.S. citizen by birth BTW, and I had some
>difficulty finding a job with an MS degree.  I also have a number
>of buddies, also US citizens, who don't have anyone knocking at their
>doors. 

Believe me, it is not a piece of cake for a foreign student to get a job.
If you, with an M.S., had some difficulty, don't you think a foriegn
M.S., with his accent, cultural difference, and other drawbacks will 
find it atleast twice as hard to compete for a similar job ??

Further a foreign student has only about 6 months before his Practical
Training visa runs out to find a company that will sponser him, else he
runs out of legal status. A lot of companies as a matter of policy, do not
hire foreign students - they don't want to go through the hassle
of getting him a GC.

>Apparently the company who is sponsoring him must advertise his position
>for a certain period of time before they can apply for the gc for him.
>Well, guess who's receiving all the resumes. The dude himself! Guess where
>those prospective resumes end up!

>To me as a citizen this issue is of grave importance. Frankly, this practice
>is unethical and should be stopped immediately. I wonder and sort of 
>assume that similar practices are pretty widespread. 

You are mistaken in thinking  the foreign "dude" has any control over
the resumes that are received.

FYI, the GC process takes years, and all applications are thoroughly
scrutinized by the Labor department. The company must advertise the position
for a period of time, and then after they receive resumes from citizens and GC's,
justify to the Labor department why the foriegn worker is the right fit
for the job (and none of the other applicants), else hire the "citizen applicants". 
If they don't, the labor petition is rejected, and they waste the thousands of $$
in attorney fees.

So as you can see, companies (they are not stupid) only sponser somone if it
is worth their while - which means that the foreign applicant is superior than 
anyone they expect to find.

I don't understand why you begrudge the foreign students their due. They work
hard, fight an uphill battle - with the odds stacked against them. It sounds
like you think immigration should be totally stopped - but then you being
here is because of your parents going through a lot of hard work and effort. 

Are you saying immigration is bad because a few percent of the jobs you're
applying for are taken by highly qualified, motivated, hard-working immigrants ??

Sounds extremely selfish and pretty lame to me ..

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