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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: Laker and Pacific Division woofing
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:05:28 GMT

In article <42450@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
>
>	First of all, thanks to Doug Steele for posting the stat standings
>	for all us stat lovers.  But I'd suggest you look into your stat
>	collecting program.  You show that the 3pt %age leaders are petro
>	and jim les.  I heard Chick Hearn, Laker broadcaster, say that
>	Anthony Peeler was near the top in 3pt %ages.  So I checked the
>	team-by-team stats.  Peeler (with exactly 19 attempts) has a
>	3pt %age of 0.526.  That's no. 2.  Hey, with everyone belittling
>	the Lakers, we faithful have to keep a good watch.

yes, that is true, but Peeler has not made enough attempts to be rated. (is
he like 10 for 22 or something?)

similar to Dana Barros a few years ago, his FT% was something like 96 or 97% 
but he didn't play enough to get enough free throws to be ranked.

since tony smith and Byron Snot are out, he will be getting tons more playing 
time, as with Duane cooper (i'm not complaining).

interesting note:  Peeler's 3pt FG% is better than his regular FG%.

second interesting note:  my friend told me taht when Orlando came to seattle,
Shaq's first dunk was rejected by Kemp.  anyone anyone?

:)

KEMP!

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Pick up the paper, read the obits.
If I'm not there I know I'm not dead.
So I eat a good breakfast and go back to bed.

Oh, how do I know my youth is all spent?
My get-up-and-go has got-up-and-went.
But in spite of it all, I'm able to grin,
And think of the places my get-up has been.
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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Subject: King Rex
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:07:54 GMT

Sean writes:
>Iacurto Paul writes:
>>Geniticaly speaking, to negroes possess more spring in their legs
>>than caucasians?
>
>Climb out of the primoidal sludge will ya!  Who are you?  Jiimy "The Greek" 
>Snyder?  Take a look at Rex Chapman.  Now there is a boy with some hops, for
>a white guy!!!

The great thing about Chapman is that he debunks two redneck myths:

	(1) Blacks can jump higher than whites...
	(2) but whites play smarter ball.

Just watch Rex's shot "selection" some time and you'll see what I mean.

Sincerely, and with an irrational dislike for Rex Chapman that I have had
from the first time I saw him on a basketball court,

Bob "The Glide" Davis (hey, at least I admitted that it is irrational!)
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with the Bulls?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:14:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c3.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Dec12.051458.3240@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
stubaker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stuart Baker) writes:
> I just got done watching the Rockets demolish the Bulls.  As a season ticket
> holder I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of focus and intensity the Bulls
> seem to have this year. Where do you all think the problems lie?
	
	Well, I wouldn't be too upset with the Bulls.  They're still on top in  
their division and playing some pretty good ball at times.  They just won two  
consecutive titles.  I think as a player it would be pretty dificult to get up  
for every single regular season game after winning two championships.  I really  
think, barring major injury, that come playoff time, the Bulls will be very  
focused and ready to go after a third championship.

				Sincerely,
				Tony Erwin

--
erwinaw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

GO HOOSIERS!
PEROT '96
"Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn once in awhile."
From: eekim@husc11.harvard.edu (Eugene Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers 92-93 Draft Pick
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:26:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec13.092656.18449
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Could someone confirm this?  Do the Lakers have Denver's #1 draft pick this
year?  If so, look for Jerry West to pull some more of his magic.

GO LAKERS!

-- 
Eugene Kim '96                     |   "If we do not succeed, then we run the
INTERNET: eekim@husc.harvard.edu   |    risk of failure."        --Dan Quayle
From: erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Wham! With 2 Hands!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE lac20gsw20.15dec92
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:04:00 EST

lac 90, gsw 109   15dec92

 gsw 1 illegal defense warning
 lac 1 illegal defense warning
 lac Grant, technical foul, 9:46 fourth

lac (12- 8)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
manning,danny     36    6  12   0  0   5  8   1  7   1   3  1  4  1  0  0   17
norman,ken        31    6  12   0  0   0  0   5  9   4   1  0  1  1  0  0   12
roberts,stanley   20    5  10   0  0   2  2   1  5   1   5  0  2  3  0  0   12
harper,ron        43    5  15   0  2   4  4   0  4   5   2  2  2  0  0  0   14
jackson,mark      33    2   8   0  1   2  2   1  3   3   2  0  3  0  0  0    6
vaught,loy        15    1   6   0  0   0  0   4  6   0   3  0  1  1  0  0    2
grant,gary        22    5   7   0  0   1  2   0  4   1   4  0  3  0  1  0   11
vandeweghe,kiki   14    3   6   0  0   0  0   0  1   0   2  2  0  0  0  0    6
williams,john     11    2   6   0  0   0  1   3  5   1   1  0  0  0  0  0    4
jackson,jaren     10    0   4   0  0   0  0   0  0   1   2  1  0  0  0  0    0
woods,randy        3    2   2   1  1   1  2   0  0   1   1  0  0  0  0  0    6
spencer,elmore     2    0   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0   0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
lac totals       240   37  89   1  4  15 21  15 44  18  26  6 16  6  1  0   90
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .416   .250   .714       team rebs  5
procedure technicals 2

gsw ( 9-11)      min  fgm fga  3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as  pf st to bk tc ej  pts
hill,tyrone       26    4   8   0  0   1  2   5 14   1   6  1  2  0  0  0    9
mullin,chris      42   10  19   0  1   7  9   1  4   7   1  2  3  3  0  0   27
alexander,victor  17    2   5   0  0   0  0   1  3   1   3  0  1  0  0  0    4
hardaway,tim      38   10  20   1  5   6  8   2  6  11   1  1  2  0  0  0   27
sprewell,latrell  40    9  18   1  1   0  0   3  7   1   3  2  1  1  0  0   19
gatling,chris     13    4   5   0  0   1  6   2  3   2   0  1  0  1  0  0    9
pressey,paul      23    2   6   0  0   2  4   1  4   1   3  0  1  2  0  0    6
grayer,jeff        7    1   2   0  0   0  0   0  0   0   2  0  0  0  0  0    2
houston,byron     14    0   0   0  0   0  0   0  6   0   3  0  2  2  0  0    0
buechler,jud      16    0   3   0  0   3  4   0  2   2   1  1  2  0  0  0    3
nealy,ed           4    1   2   1  1   0  0   0  2   0   0  0  0  0  0  0    3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
gsw totals       240   43  88   3  8  20 33  15 51  26  23  8 14  9  0  0  109
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .489   .375   .606       team rebs 16

lac   33  17  21  19  -   90
gsw   23  32  30  24  -  109

attendance 15025, time 2:04, officials: JClark,BSalvatore,BSpooner
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: richarje@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: David "The Agent From Hell" Falk
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:10:49 GMT

nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
you're entitled to your opinion.  infact there are a lot of things in
what you said that i agree with - and he should probably be the highest
paid NBA player.  but they're all overpaid.  just think of the cost
of shoes ("its gotta be the shoes") nowadays!  people get killed over
them now.  i'm not saying that it's MJ's fault, or any other player,
but the average NBA salary is way up there.  the cost of going to a
game is a significant chunk for me.  when free TV coverage is replaced
by PPV or cable everywhere, then i may give up following these guys.


I agree with you Nate.  Unfortunately, the only way to stop this is to stop 
attending games, except when it's affordable (Target Cheap Seats in MN, for 
example).  Once the management realizes no one will pay the prices, they'll
either fold, and be replaced by a more affordable team, or lower their prices.
As it is, I just refuse to watch pay-per-view anything -- if more people did,
the idea would die a nice, quiet death.  Of course, if they try to do the
Triplecast again, I'll be proved wrong.

BTW, they're all overpaid, and until MJ gives a significant (I'm talking 10%) 
of his income to charity, I'll assume that he's as greedy as the rest.

JT

P.S. 	I enjoy basketball, but the salaries are insanely high.  I'm not 
normally this preachy.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Who are the tallest point guards?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.004032.9648@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>
>HOWEVER, someone who i think is overlooked is Seattle's point guard, not 
>Payton, but NATE MCMILLAN!!!!  this guy is awesome!  he is improving so much
>every year.. in fact, Magic Johnson was quoted as saying
>"The guy who gives me the most trouble night in and night out is Nate
>McMillan." .. 
>
>and he is, i believe 6'9".

Huh...I know Nate gave Magic trouble, but so do a lot of people.  In fact
it's a different guy who gives Jordan the "toughest" time in the league every
other night.  McMillan, however is only 6'5''.
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns atop the NBA/Trade with Spurs?
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:55:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.42472
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Dec11.215350.25876@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>Wow that would be great for the Suns.  Pretty much lock things up in my 
>opinion.

You're not even going to wait to hear what the other end of the deal
is?

Actually, they're gonna trade KJ for Elliot even up.  KJ's not
getting much playing time these days, anyway.  :^)

Tony
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: kolli@seas.gwu.edu (Chakravarthy Kolli)
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with the Bulls?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:49:41 GMT

In article <1ggg4gINNf6m@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.051458.3240@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
>stubaker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stuart Baker) writes:
>> I just got done watching the Rockets demolish the Bulls.  As a season ticket
>> holder I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of focus and intensity the Bulls
>> seem to have this year. Where do you all think the problems lie?
>	
>	Well, I wouldn't be too upset with the Bulls.  They're still on top in  
>their division and playing some pretty good ball at times.  They just won two  
>consecutive titles.  I think as a player it would be pretty dificult to get up  
>for every single regular season game after winning two championships.  I really  
>think, barring major injury, that come playoff time, the Bulls will be very  
>focused and ready to go after a third championship.
>
>				Sincerely,
>				Tony Erwin
>
>--
>erwinaw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
>
>GO HOOSIERS!
>PEROT '96
>"Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn once in awhile."

    Before the start of the Chicago, Portland series, Doug Collins
made the following comment. "Michael Jordan will not let the Bulls loose".

    I believe even this year his tenacity might take them to the Championship
series, BUT if they encounter the Knicks, I don't think the Bulls have
enough in them to take the physical beating. 

    I don't know the whole story of Cliff Levingston's leaving the BULLS,
but, his leaving is a loss when Chicago plays New York, as he would have
neutralized guys like Anthony Mason.

chak kolli
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: Suns atop the NBA/Trade with Spurs?
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:50 GMT


Wow that would be great for the Suns.  Pretty much lock things up in my 
opinion.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Jimmy Jackson update
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:50:57 GMT

Dallas team officials confirmed today that they have been talking
to the Sacramento Kings about trading their No. 1 draft pick,
Jimmy Jackson.  However, they denied that Lionel Simmons had come
up in the discussions.

Meanwhile, the Kings would not confirm their interests in Jackson.
Coach Garry St. Jean did however say that Jackson was one of 4
marquee players in this year's draft that were clearly better than the
others.

Earlier this year, the Mavs offered Jackson a 4 year deal for $10.8 million.
Team owner Donald Carter has insisted that he will not go beyond 4 years.
Jackson has been asking for 6 years guaranteed and over $20 million.
In his frustration, Jackson said last week that he would never play
for the Mavs, but it's widely regarded that this is just rhetoric,
if the Mavs come up with the right deal.
 
Apparently, there is some dissension among the Dallas powers that be.
While team management, i.e. G.M. Norm Sonju and coach Richie
Adubato would like to either sign Jackson or at least receive something
in trade for him, owner Donald Carter is obstinately sticking
to his position that he will not give 6 years guaranteed to Jackson
and that he will not trade Jackson's rights.  

While it is understandable that Carter is taking a stand in this
day of ridiculously inflated salaries for unproven rookies, IMHO,
his posturing is going to be hugely detrimental to the Dallas franchise.

If Jackson is not signed or traded, he will reenter the draft next season.
How will Carter then explain to Dallas fans that in the best draft
in 20 years, with the No. 4 overall pick, the Mavericks came up with nothing
to show for it?

What's more, a 6 year deal is not unreasonable in the current
market.  Afterall, all 3 draft picks ahead of him received 6 year deals.
In fact, the $10.8 million deal is way out of line.  According
to reported figures, you would have
to go all the way down past the No. 11 pick to find a contract with
a lower dollar amount.

Carter needs to swallow his pride and let his management team do
what is best for the franchise.  He can't afford to be a lone ranger
in setting rookie salaries.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU




Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ldgould@mcnc.org (Lawrence D. Gould)
Subject: Re: Who are Wingate (cha) and Young (det)?
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:16:52 GMT


In article <1ghncjINNl1c@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> you write:
>I need help figuring out who "Young" is off of Detroit and who "Wingate" is 
>off of Charlotte. If anyone knows I'd appreciate it if you dropped me a line.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ryan N. Robin   (robinr@prism.cs.orst.edu)

Young is Danny Young. He played guard for the Clippers 
last year but was lost in the shuffle during the off season.

In his nba career he played for Seattle, Portland, Clippers
and now Detroit.

He played in college at Wake Forest.

Larry

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Fun With Shooting %s (was Team Standings and Stats)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:13:34 GMT

bwest@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Neal West) writes:
>
>Here's the league's 1s, 2s, and 3s ordered by shooting percentage.  
> [...]
> 3 owens,billy        34.9 126  231  .545   0   2  .000  47  78  .603 299  17.6
> 1 edwards,blue       31.1 136  252  .540   2  10  .200  69  85  .812 343  17.1
> 2 mcdaniel,xavier    30.1 128  238  .538   0   1  .000  30  38  .789 286  14.3
> 3 payton,gary        31.2 112  210  .533   4  10  .400  45  53  .849 273  14.4

Do you mind explaining what you mean by "1s, 2s, and 3s"?

The standard meaning would be "Point guards, shooting guards and small
forwards".  But seeing the numbers you assigned to Owens, Blue, X and
Payton, it looks like you mean something else.

Sorry to be so daft.


--Gidi
From: mckernan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert L Mckernan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: WHO IS MO YASIN???
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:28:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	Yeah, I heard about this Yasin guy.  In an interview in a N.C.
newspaper, Jordan said that Yasin was incredible in high school but
he never went to college (ala Lloyd Daniels).  But over the summer Yasin
worked with Jordan and is preparing to tryout in the NBA next year.
Jordan said every team could use a Mo Yasin!
From: rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Kenny Walker
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:39:11 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.


 Anyone out there know where Kenny Walker is playing if he still is.
I know he used to be with the Knicks and then lost track of him after that.
Thanks in advance. GO CELTS!!!

                                             Murph
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: rahjr@mower.bae.bellcore.com (Ralph Howard)
Subject: Re: Nets Question
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.201319.5248@brtph560.bnr.ca>, dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom ) writes:
|> I remember hearing that Dwayne Schintzus signed with the Nets
|> early this year. Is he injured or did he get cut?
|> 
|> 

Schintzus is on injured reserve recovering from his back(?) surgery
last summer.


	- ralph h.

-- 
Ralph Howard
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: daveyang@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (rumpshaker)
Subject: Jimmy : outta  DALLAS
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:55:45 GMT




Dec11: Holdout Jimmy Jackson said he will not play under ANY circumstances  
the 1-14 Mavericks squad. He wanted a 6 yr. deal they offered him a 4-yr.  
deal. Smooth move Norm. At least they have potential improvement with 2yr  
old draft pick, Randy White(delivery to CBA,soon.).Jimmy, I presume will  
enter next yr's draft and could be No.1 depending on the college  
prospects' season.
  
 
    "take my life I'll never ask for too much" Whitney Houston
      daveyang@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: David "The Agent From Hell" Falk
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.130006.2016@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> roh@spot.Colorado.EDU (ROH JOHN J) writes:
>>>>  michael jordan      $35.9 million   (according to Forbes)
>>- nate
> Hey, I think he deserves every penney of that plus more! Think what the
>league would be like without Michael.  I only got into basketball because
>of Jordan.  Like it or not, he consistently draws good crowds where ever
>he goes and makes money for the opposing teams.  He's the numero uno
>in ANY sports right now in terms of popularity.  He brings in LOTS of
>money for the league and advertisers.  Therfore, in my opinion, he's not
>overpaid at all.  
>
>-John

you're entitled to your opinion.  infact there are a lot of things in
what you said that i agree with - and he should probably be the highest
paid NBA player.  but they're all overpaid.  just think of the cost
of shoes ("its gotta be the shoes") nowadays!  people get killed over
them now.  i'm not saying that it's MJ's fault, or any other player,
but the average NBA salary is way up there.  the cost of going to a
game is a significant chunk for me.  when free TV coverage is replaced
by PPV or cable everywhere, then i may give up following these guys.

- nate
From: reille85@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 76ers need BIG-time help!!!!!!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:55:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

HERE'S A TRADE....

The Philadelphia 76ers badly need many, many, many things.  They happen to have
an overabundance of "2" guards (Hawkins, Hornacek, Dawkins)   So, here goes.
How about...
	Jeff Hornacek, Armon Gilliam, and Johnny Dawkins to Cleveland for
Mark Price, "Hot Rod" Williams, and a #1 draft pick.

     or Hornacek, Gilliam, and Dawkins to Seattle for Payton and McKey.

THE 76ers need help BADLY!!!!
From: reille85@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: MO "THE ASSASSIN" YASIN - HOAGIE MAN!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:16:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

MO "THE ASSASSIN" YASIN - SPREAD THE WORD, A PLAYGROUND LEGEND, A FUTURE
STAR!!!
MO "THE ASSASSIN" YASIN...THE MAN...THE MYTH...THE HOAGIE!!!