Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Not So Good Bumper Sticker
From: <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 19:37:02 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

Doug Holtsinger (dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu) writes:

#In article <BsxtD6.IE8@acsu.buffalo.edu>
#v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff) writes:
#
#>dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
#
#>>emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
#
#>>> Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw one that really says it all about
#>>> the religious right's goals:
#
#>>>                 Praise the Lord, and Damn the Constitution
#
#>> Considering the shakey foundation upon which the Supreme Court
#>> discovered the so-called right to abortion, I would think this
#>> bumper sticker would be better suited for describing the
#>> goals of the pro-abortion movement.
#
#> Yeah, uhmm, especially the first part, right?
#
#Are you suggesting that a pro-abortionist cannot hold religious
#views on abortion?  Perhaps you'd better talk to Mark Kaufmann,
#his views on abortion seems to be driven primarily by religion.

I've challenged H.H. Reverent Holtsinger to defend his curious habit
to rename pro-choicers (like myself) into "pro-abortionists." Give me
a .... break.  I respect the female's CHOICE in choosing an abortion,
not to find any delight in the terminatin of her pregnancy. I find it
logically more correct to call my position "PRO-CHOICE," for that IS
what it IS.  I don't have any right to police a woman's womb, nor to
deny her the right to choose an abortion.  Doug, give us the courtesy
(you know, that is a Christian trait) to answer this question.

BTW, would you, or would you not allow for abortion in case of RAPE?
Because if you would allow abortions in such cases, claiming at the
same time that abortion is 'a priori' murder, this would present a
serious logical inconsistancy, now would it not dear chap?  --At the
same time, if you would be against *all* abortions, I'd consider this
primordially cruel and stunningly patronizing. A woman has *autonomy*
over HER womb.  The loss of (fetal) potentiality may be regrettable,
but it will be the female's agency (or moral accountability if you
prefer), to make that choice, NOT Doug Holtsinger's, or yours truly.

Btw, would you brandish a woman as a criminal who 'was caught' having
committed an abortion?  Please, enlighten us!  --Would you throw her
in the slammer?  Sentence her to a re-education camp?  (I presume
that this one has crossed your mind!)  Perhaps force the murderess
to watch bloody aborted fetuses???  Hmmm?  In order to realize your
medieval convictions, you would have to 'ordain' a Fetus-Patrol, or
a Baby-Squad, a Womb-Platoon, or whatever inquisitionary term may
come to mind.  Welcome to Doug's Brave New World (Order)!  --Not!

#> Sheesh, where did *that* come from?

#     "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
#that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
#we want to be precise)..."
#  -- Gloria Feldt,
#     chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona

"Doug H. has, in all probability, not yet reached personhood."
--Heinrich Von Reichner, Doug's personal psychiatrist.

#>Mike Cluff

#Doug Holtsinger

Casper C. Knies   isscck@byuvm.bitnet