From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:01:43 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <s_dngl_.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <6023@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes:
>    >Now before you go thinking "He's just another
>    >wooly-headedbleedingHeartliberalpinkofagpacifist," let me
>    >tell you that since 1972 I have, in various capacities over
>    >various times, been prepared to apply deadly force in many
>    >various forms from .38 caliber to 100 kilotons. I have
>    >nothing against violence. Hell, I even admire it when it's
>    >done with style and panache.
>
>We are suitably impressed. Gosh, I bet your genitals are bigger than
>other mens too. Wow.

Ronzone strikes again huh? Give it a rest Phil! If a person
who was in the mental state that woman was n came at you
brandishing a machete you'd piss your drawers! I think that t
is reasonable to assume anyone who owns a firearm and is
confronted in their own home by a blade-weilding maniac is
going to drill that maniac's skull first; drag the remains
into a canal...and forget about it! I myself would shoot an
attacker who broke into my home and threatened my family with
a weapon. The only reason I would need is to see that 1) the
person is brandishing a weapon and 2) i dont know them.
>
>    >So back to the case at hand. As Mr. Hu noted she was a
>    >nutcase. As the papers reported she was under five and half
>    >feet and weighed about 100 pounds. She was by all accounts
>    >armed with a machete. There appears to be a discrepancy as to
>    >whether she brandished it or actually attacked the cop with
>    >it.
>    >
>    >So lets look at the layout. They had evacuated the
>    >Chancellor. They had the girl cornered in an unoccupied wing
>    >of his residence. She wasn't a threat to anyone's life in
>    >that situation.
>    >
>    >So let's check out the cop. According to accounts he was an
>    >Oakland P.D. K-9 officer. He most likely had a his disposal a
>    >trained attack dog, a baton, a sidearm, and mace. With all
>    >that at his disposal, facing a 100 pound girl armed with a
>    >machete, he had to shoot and kill her?
>
>So you were there, right? You saw it and decided the cop was wrong. Right.
>Oh, you weren't there? Oh. Well, how do you know what happened then? Oh,
>you read it in the mass media, that paragon of accuracy and completeness.
I am sure the media reported this ne accurately as it serves
to create a climate of fear which would promt the voting bloc
for further disarmament! Lost again Phil.
>
>    >Now they can trot out all the catchphrases that they do when
>    >they shoot someone, but I say "GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK." I
>    >used to supervise a security team of 20 or so sailors whose
>    >conducted their guard and security functions part time in
>    >addition to their other duties and probably any one of them
>    >could have taken that girl down quickly, without getting
>    >himself hurt, and without killing her.
>
>Yep. And when I was young and dumb and 6' 2", I used to work summers
>as an aide at a mental hospital. I've SEEN and FELT very small people
>hurt very big people. It's not the size of man in the fight, it's the size of
>the fight in the man ya' know.
>
Absolutely Phil! Which solidifies my point well! Regardless of
size, if a person is coming at yu waving a machete you can be
certain they dont want to make love!

>    >Anyway, I'll say no more about it except that the cop who did
>    >the shooting is a most lucky individual. If he'd have been
>    >unlucky enough to do my daughter like that I would be
>    >obligated to hunt him down and kill him. Sometime, someplace,
>    >he'd be isolated and alone, in an elevator or parking garage
>    >maybe. Probably wouldn't even think twice about it until the
>    >Mk 22 Mod 0 pistol with silencer puts a 125 grain round nose
>    >lead slug into the base of his underutilized brain.
>
>Wow. How comforting. How macho. How stupid. Glad you aren't, say, Jeff
>Dahmers parent. Of course, if I was that cop's parent, and some
>ass wipe like you kill my son the cop because of legitimate performance
>in stopping a wacko (just were WAS the parent(s) anyway, hmmm?), I'd guess
>I'd have to be real macho stupid too and show that a Remington 700 Varmit
>Special in 7.62x51 with 168 Sierra IHPBT can do so much better
>over a puny Ruger ...
Personally, I prefer the low-recoil action of a Ruger Mini-14
with a 7x Leopold scope...makes it quick, clean, and easy! Oh
forgot to mention the load....never mind.  Did I mention my
broadsword too?! So this is going to deteriorate like any Phil
Ronzone conversation? Nuts to you Phil! Anyone breaks into my
home and I am there...they will get a nasty hello...
>
>Gee whiz. What ever happened to "you had to be there"?
Honest to God man....I think you are bored and just like the
confrontation! Get a clue moron....if you had your piece ready
and someone suddenly broke into your home...yu'd drill them
and you know it! That cop did nothing different.....a machete
is very capable of cutting through a tonfa like it was swiss
cheese. Personally I applaud that cop! And THAT is unusual for
me as I do not have great love for our current
legal/enforcement system. But in this case...that cop did the
right thing.....one less psychotic maniac on the streets to
deal with.
>
>
>
>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>
>"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
>"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone
>
>These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
I keep trying to tell you noone wants them...;6)

Len

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