HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nigel@cs.city.ac.uk (Nigel Mitchem  - System Support)
Subject: fuzzy monitor
Organization: City University
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:32:54 GMT

 I have a 19inch colour monitor (Hitachi model HM4119) that`s
got an attack of the `fuzzies`, characters are not as crisp
as I would like. I have access to 16 pots on the back but apart 
from slight improvemnets mainly due to changes in contrast, I
cant get it as crisp as should be possible.

 Anyone been through this exercise ? If so could you
let me in on the secret......

Kind regards
Nig


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: zhu@athena.mit.edu (Erin Zhu)
Subject: memory needed for SparcPrinter
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:06:04 GMT

Could someone tell me how much memory I would need to comfortably drive
a SparcPrinter attached to a SS1?  I currently have 24M on the SS1 and
four open SIMM slots, and am debating how much extra memory I ought to
purchase.

  Thanks,

  --Erin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sys.sun
From: matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann)
Subject: Emulex MD-24 help needed
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:12:14 GMT


I have the disk rack from an IBM RT system.  It has 4 Maxtor XT4380 ESDI
disk drives, an Emulex MD-24 ESDI to difirential SCSI converter board and a 
Rancho tech. single ended SCSI converter board.

My Sun 3/140 has a Wren 4 on it now.  When I add the disk rack from the RT
system to the SCSI bus the system just hangs at bsd().  If I keep the
terminators in my Wren 4 and (the RT disks are at the end of the bus) try
it I get a more interesting error:

sd: error 6600A000000000
sd short transfer (this continues 16 times) 16 retries
Device not found
>

Has anybody gotten one of these suckers to work with a Sun 3?  Can you please
drop me a line and help me get this sucker up and going?  Thanks in 
advance!

--Matthew

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From: peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Re: LX Shipping dates +3 months
Keywords: gripe
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:10:17 GMT

>Has anyone out there actually received one of these LX's?

I have on sitting on my desk right now. Got on Nov. 25 or so, before
the rush...
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: The TERMPWR/pin 26 problem once and for all
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ, USA
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:58:41 GMT


I've know about the problem with older Suns doing something inappropriate
with pin 26 on the SCSI interface, but I haven't been able to collect a full
description of the problem and how to deal with it.

I'd very much appreciate an explanation of the problem and the concerns about
strapping devices.
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From: bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sparc clones?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:55:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
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Summary: Suggestions?

I'd appreciate recommendations and warnings about any Sparc workstation
manufacturers (we're looking for something like a Sparcstation II clone).

I've heard of Axil (Hyundai), Tatung, and Sunar, but nothing on their
quality of product, support, etc.

Facts, anecdotes, and other insights welcomed!


John Heckendorn
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From: marc@autodesk.com (Marc Ramsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: marc@autodesk.com
Organization: Autodesk, Inc.


In article 51917@seismo.CSS.GOV, dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV (taste is the enemy 
of art) writes:

>Model	    SPECint92	SPECfp92	MIPS	MFLOPS	Cache*	Contexts
>-----	    ---------	--------	----	------	------	--------
>IPX	    21.8	21.5		28.5	4.2	64	8
>2	    21.8	22.8		28.5	4.2	64	16
>Classic    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>LX	    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>
>* in KBs - cache is unified unless marked as data/instruction.

Take careful note of the cache size on the Classic/LX.  One thing that 
has been become obvious to us here is that the IPX and SS2 perform
significantly better (in some case 2 or 3 times) on large programs with
poor cache locality.  Benchmarks don't always tell the whole story...



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From: pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Request: Watchdog Reset infomation wanted
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:28:05 GMT

wwf@doe.carleton.ca (W. Walter Fergusson) writes:

>My Sun 3/260 is suffering from watchdog reset problems.  A watchdog
>reset occurs every 20-60 minutes.  I would apreciate help in learning
>about watchdog resets on my machine and how to fix it.

Sigh. I have just finished a "little" hunt around the filesystem/systems
here for the note I *know* I saved somewhere about a Sun-fix for some
problem that in the README file mentions that it also fixes problems
with "watchdog resets". I'm afraid that's all I can remember...

/Peter
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Sun 4/380 memory
Keywords: simms sun4
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:04:11 GMT

>Actually the banks are 8 simms each and must be populated 8 at a time,
>so you get either 8M or 32M depending if you use 1M or 4M simms.

My mistake.  I never tried mixing them, and assumed that they banked like
other machines of similar vintage.



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From: jerry@pawnee.telecom.ksu.edu (Jerry Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:53:02 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pawnee.telecom.ksu.edu

phoenix@well.sf.ca.us (Benjamin McLemore) writes:

> I am interested in knowing how the performance of the new Sparc Classic
> compares with that of other Sun workstations. The only Sun I have
> used is a SparcStation 2. A price of $4295 would seem to indicate that 
> some corners had been cut-- is the consensus that this is not true?

Performance specs from January 1993 Florida SunFlash, Vol 49 #15:

    Machine            SPECint92   SPECfp92
    ----------------   ---------   --------
    SPARCstation LX      26.4        21.0
    SPARCclassic         26.4        21.0
    SPARCstation 2       21.8        22.8
    SPARCstation IPX     21.8        21.5
    SPARCstation ELC     18.2        17.9
    SPARCstation IPC     13.8        11.1
 
    Machine            SPECmark89
    ----------------   ----------
    SPARCstation 1+       12
    SPARCstation 1        10
    SPARCstation SLC       8.6

Generally speaking, the integer processing benchmarks (SPECint92)
are probably a better indicator of useful speed than the
floating-point benchmarks (SPECfp92), unless you're doing a lot
of scientific calculations or other floating-point processing.

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From: ltd@netcom.com (Larry Drebes)
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:57:50 GMT

From article <lm9jpsINNlms@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, by ram@shukra.Eng.Sun.COM (Renu Raman):
> In article <18471@autodesk.COM> marc@autodesk.com writes:
>>
>>In article 51917@seismo.CSS.GOV, dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV (taste is the enemy 
>>
>>>Model	    SPECint92	SPECfp92	MIPS	MFLOPS	Cache*	Contexts
>>>-----	    ---------	--------	----	------	------	--------
>>>IPX	    21.8	21.5		28.5	4.2	64	8
>>>2	    21.8	22.8		28.5	4.2	64	16
>>>Classic    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>>>LX	    26.4	21.0		59.1	4.6	6	64
>>>
>>>* in KBs - cache is unified unless marked as data/instruction.
>>
>>Take careful note of the cache size on the Classic/LX.  One thing that 
>>has been become obvious to us here is that the IPX and SS2 perform
>>significantly better (in some case 2 or 3 times) on large programs with
>>poor cache locality.  Benchmarks don't always tell the whole story...
> 
> 
>  I suppose you meant 'good cache locality' - because on programs that
>  have 'poor cache locality' a.k.a cache thrashers - the LX/Classic
>  will perform better than the IPX and SS2 - for the simple reason that
>  the memory access latency is far better - (about 7-9 cycles vs 20).
> 
>  I have seen a number of cases where This teeny machines outperform 
>  a number of bigger machines when the programs are memory bound.
>

If anyone has access to both an ss2 & classic with local hd, I'd like
to see wall time for compiling a stage3 gcc or emacs.
larry-
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From: jdell@nefertiti.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
Subject: Re: Swap Space Question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:16:48 GMT

On Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:19:28 GMT, dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) said:

> This a quick question regarding swap space. I have a SPARC 1, with 8 meg RAM,
> and certainly need more to give X Windows breathing space. I have about 22 meg
> of swap space, and want to go to 16 Meg of RAM. Theoretically, I should only
> need a bit more than 16 meg of swap space on disk. Question: Is 22 meg enough
> swap space for a 16 meg RAM system? (I would rather not re-partition the disks
> for more space unless I have to).

Well, I think the real answer to that question is, you need the swap space as
big as you require.  Not much of an answer, but let me explain.  If you are 
using your SPARC to check mail and editing and other tasks which don't require
crunching on large amounts of data, then your system is probably okay.

On our system, we require large amounts of data to be crunched and run
programs which are quite large.  So to be safe, we have our SPARCs with
100 MB of swap. 

You should find out if processes are running out of memory.

Hope this helps,

John
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Looking for ethernet to manufacturer map
Keywords: ethernet manufacturer
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:57:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>    Use archie to find the file assigned-numbers.txt. There are at least
>  two different versions of this file. I would grab the largest( assuming it
>  would be the most complete ). File size I have is 173105 bytes.

The 173105-byte version is RFC 1060.  A more up-to-date version is RFC
1340; you can get that from various archives of RFCs, including the
master one at "nic.ddn.mil".

However, even RFC 1340's list of Ethernet vendor address components
doesn't have as many vendors as does the listing mentioned in the other
posting in this thread, i.e. the "EtherNet-codes" file from
"lcs.mit.edu".

The "Assigned Numbers" RFC, though, has more than just Ethernet vendor
numbers, so it may be worth getting in any case....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rcc@zycor.lgc.com (Randy Clarke)
Subject: Re: SPARC printer consumables
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:49:59 GMT

In article <1jli8uINNc4b@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
>bmh@terminus.ericsson.se (Bernard Hatt) writes:
>
> ]Someone recently asked whether SPARC printer consumables were available
> ]from sources other than Sun, (The message has expired here, so I don't have
> ]The parts are for a XEROX 3010.
>
>I was told a 4030. I have had the fuser roller and the wick from the
>4030, and they both fit and work. Is the 3010 the same as the 4030?
>

I called Xerox and spoke with a rep.  The Xerox 3010 is a Fax/Copy Machine.
The 4030 is indeed a laser printer, but the part numbers for its drum and
toner cartridge do not match the ones posted. (#13R45 and #6R90167 respectively)

Does anyone know what the appropriate part numbers should be for the 
replacement Sparcprinter consumables? 
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From: savage@msc.cornell.edu (Daniel Svitavsky)
Subject: Using non-TCP/IP ethernet
Keywords: ethernet interface network
Organization: Cornell Materials Science Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:10:43 GMT


   We put a second ethernet card in a SPARCstation IPC running SunOS 4.1.1. We
hope to use this card to spool to printers with EtherTalk interfaces, so I ran
ifconfig to bring up le1. Since we are not intending to use TCP/IP on this
line, I did not register a new subnet or try to assign an IP address.

   After attaching an EtherTalk printer (a Tektronix Phaser IISD), which works
fine on the rest of our ethernet, I looked for packets of any kind on le1 using
the etherfind command, and found nothing.

   Although ifconfig reports le1 as "UP" and "RUNNING", I wonder if there is
another configuration step in activating the interface. Is it required to have
an address before the Sun will activate it? The documentation only talks about
internet configurations.

   Also, ifconfig shows the second ethernet card as having the same ethernet
address as the first. Do Suns really have one hardware address per machine?

   I would be grateful for any hints or suggestions.

							-Dan Svitavsky

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                Ithaca, NY                   (607) 255-2067
From: lavoie@schizo.samsung.com (Paul Lavoie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Test post retraction
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: lavoie@schizo.samsung.com (Paul Lavoie)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Samsung Software America, Inc.


   Thanks to all who have responded to my test post request. I now have
   posts to this group working. In order to cut down on email bandwidth
   please ignore the request. Thanks again to all

 
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From: keriven@styx.enpc.fr (Renaud KERIVEN)
Subject: SunPc on a SS10
Organization: Ecole Nationale des Ponts et Chaussees, CERMICS
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:03:58 GMT


-- 

Is there any way to run SunPC-3.0 with an Sbus accelerator on a SS10? I
managed to insert the card on a sbus slot. The kernel recognizes it.
 Anyway, it seems that the *.sun4m.* drivers don't work properly. (I'm
running SunOs-4.1.3). The module is - apparently - successfully loaded by
modstat, but devinfo keeps saying:

> Node 'SUNW,SunPC', unit #0 (no driver)

and sunpc_diag prints:

> SDOSIOCMEMALIGN: Invalid argument
> sdos0 sunpc_diag ERROR: Can't init board
> sdos0 sunpc_diag INFO: diagnostics cannot run at this time

Are the *sun4m* drivers correct? Is there any new release? Any suggestion?
Thanks for your help.

-- Renaud

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From: haberman@s22.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann)
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:32:20 GMT

jerry@pawnee.telecom.ksu.edu (Jerry Anderson) writes:

>phoenix@well.sf.ca.us (Benjamin McLemore) writes:
>
>> I am interested in knowing how the performance of the new Sparc Classic
>> compares with that of other Sun workstations. The only Sun I have
>> used is a SparcStation 2. A price of $4295 would seem to indicate that 
>> some corners had been cut-- is the consensus that this is not true?
>
>Performance specs from January 1993 Florida SunFlash, Vol 49 #15:
>
>    Machine            SPECint92   SPECfp92
>    ----------------   ---------   --------
>    SPARCstation LX      26.4        21.0
>    SPARCclassic         26.4        21.0
>    SPARCstation 2       21.8        22.8
>    SPARCstation IPX     21.8        21.5
>    SPARCstation ELC     18.2        17.9
>    SPARCstation IPC     13.8        11.1
> 
>    Machine            SPECmark89
>    ----------------   ----------
>    SPARCstation 1+       12
>    SPARCstation 1        10
>    SPARCstation SLC       8.6
>
>Generally speaking, the integer processing benchmarks (SPECint92)
>are probably a better indicator of useful speed than the
>floating-point benchmarks (SPECfp92), unless you're doing a lot
>of scientific calculations or other floating-point processing.
>
>-- 
>jerry@telecom.ksu.edu                     Jerry Anderson
>                                          Kansas State University
>vox: (913) 532-6936                            Telecommunications
>fax: (913) 532-7114                       Manhattan  KS  66506

When Sun dropped the price on the IPX a while back, we wondering
why anyone would buy a Sparc 2 over an IPX.  The only thing I could
come up with was that the Sparc 2 had 12 hardware contexts vs. 6
for the IPX and the Sparc 2 could could take a larger variety of
SBUS cards.  Both we're irrelevant to us, so we went with the IPX. 
I don't know exactly what the specs are for the Classic/LX line,
but these might be something to consider. 

Joe Habermann
MSI Technical Support, University of Minnesota
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gaarder@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Gaarder)
Subject: Re: Disk problem with Sparc 2 and Wren IV
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:03:51 GMT

In <C17n05.5sp@well.sf.ca.us> gaarder@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Gaarder) writes:

>I have a CDC/Seagate/Imprimis Wren IV diks drive (94171-327) connected
>to a SparcStation 2 on which I am trying to install SunOS 4.1.3.  I say
>"trying" because I get occasional fatal "hardware errors" with an error
>code of 0x44.  Also, trying to reformat the disk with "format" gives a
>rather terse "format failed" message.  However, I can run "analyze" on
>the disk till the cows come home without seeing any errors.  Anybody
>know what's going on?

acb@ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette) found the answer: the defect
list had not been set up correctly.  Doing an "extract" and a "commit"
on the defect list solved the problem.  Thanks!

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From: mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin J. Duerst)
Subject: 1-bit X server on color screen
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:54:55 GMT


How is it possible to simulate a black-and-white X server on a color
screen? Some options are described for the xnews server, but they
don't work. E.g.: xnews -dev /dev/cgsix0 grayvis staticvis defdepth 8
gives me a nice grayscale server, without any color, but what I would
like to do is: xnews -dev /dev/cgsix0 grayvis staticvis defdepth 1
and that, as much as any other attempt, for example by setting the
device to something else, just fails.
Any hints or ideas are greatly appreciated.

Martin J. Du"rst.

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From: rt12@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (R. M. Tsay)
Subject: Help: Sun 3/80 and Epson printer
Keywords: printer
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:07:10 GMT

Can Epson LQ-570 printer (for PC) work with Sun 3/80? 

Thank you in advance.

Rueyming Tsay
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From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Performance of Sparc Classic?
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:42:59 GMT

In article <haberman.727921940@msi.umn.edu> haberman@s22.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann) writes:
>
>When Sun dropped the price on the IPX a while back, we wondering
>why anyone would buy a Sparc 2 over an IPX.  The only thing I could
>come up with was that the Sparc 2 had 12 hardware contexts vs. 6
>for the IPX and the Sparc 2 could could take a larger variety of
>SBUS cards.  Both we're irrelevant to us, so we went with the IPX. 
>I don't know exactly what the specs are for the Classic/LX line,
>but these might be something to consider. 
>
>Joe Habermann
>MSI Technical Support, University of Minnesota

taking this argument to the next generation:

i have a Sparc 10/30? until our 42 gets here and i think it
is great. very impressive looking power supply, nice scsi
device layout, sturdy case. the Sparch 10 appears very solid,
very industrial grade. if you are like the vast majority of
users with very predictable usage (eg, we have never added
anything to any of our Sparc 2's) then i dont think you
need the quality of the Sparc 10 and could go for an LX.

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