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From: pdills@staff.tc.umn.edu (Peter in Amiland)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Military Aircraft Parks ...
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:45:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov5.194515.10152
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Nov5.014856.19719@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.224732.9385@news2.cis.umn.edu> pdills@staff.tc.umn.edu (Peter in Amiland) writes:
>>Does anyone know of Parks that may still have 'any' WWII Aircrafts and or
>>parts?
>>
>>Any and all comments appreciated, thanks in advance.
>>
>>Peter
>Looking for World War II aircraft?
>
>Try Willow Run which is about 45 minutes west of Detroit in beautiful
>Ypsilanti.  They have a B-17 which they are working on, a B-25 which they

How far have they progressed on this B-17? Model E, F, G?

>have finished, a C-47, the Navalized version of the B-24(Privateer, I
>think), plus some static displays.  Admission is $4.00 and they are open
>every day until 4 p.m. or something(Haven't been there in a while).  They

I was also wondering if anyone knows about 'any' military graveyards that
may have WWII Aircraft or parts stored..

Thanks,

Peter

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From: geoff@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (Geoff Russell)
Subject: Re: Spitfires
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:17:58 GMT


>   One I recall which was real interesting was "Song of a Merlin", sorry
>   don't remember the author.  Jeffrey Quill by the way was the
>   Supermarine chief test pilot and got to fly every single variation. 

>I think this is probably "Sigh For A Merlin". Sorry I can't remember
>the author's name either.

"Sigh for a Merlin" was written by Alex Henshaw who was a test pilot
equally as great as Jeffrey Quill but probably not as well known.

I purchased the book about five years ago in paperback and can recommend
it as an informative and entertaining publication that includes some 
black and white photographs. It is the most interesting book about Spitfires
that I have had the pleasure to read. 

Just to make you all jealous, a friend of mine has a Mk 16 Spitfire and
a Griffon engine sitting in his shed. Complete but dismantled.....


Geoff Russell
Analyst/Programmer 
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Richmond, New South Wales,
AUSTRALIA
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From: rvk@blink.att.com (Bob Kline)
Subject: SR-71
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:20:05 GMT
Summary: SR-71 tidbits
Keywords: SR-71 blackbird


	a couple of random, off-hand tidbits about the SR-71:

	* designed around 1967 by a team headed by Lockheed's
	  Kelly Johnson.  

	* originally called the RS-71.  it mas stated as SR-71
	  in a release statement, and that become the name.

	* the engines are ( or at least were for a time ) GE J58's.

	* fuel load about 8,000 gallons.

	* speed at least 2,100 mph.  the plane made a flight from
	  somewhere in California to the east coast in about 68 minutes.

	* altitude at least 80,000 ft. some were lost, but I don't
	  think any were actually shot down.

	* probably quite maneauverable.  Kelly Johnson and team intended
	  they be used as high speed interceptors.  the military 
	  apparently decided they were too impractical for that.

	* the last flight for the military was a couple of years ago.
	  a few more records were tossed off along the way to the
	  Smithsonian.  NASA still operates two or three.  I'm not
	  sure exactly what for.


	all of this information was contained in a "Discovery Channel"
	program called "Wings."  one entire hour long program was 
	devoted to the plane.


	-r. kline

	
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From: chim@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (IM Chol Hong)
Subject: SR-71/MIG25
Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.
Distribution: rec.aviation.military
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:36:56 GMT


I'm not sure, but I guess MIG-25 was designed to intercept SR-71.
And F-15 was designed to intercept MIG-25. MIG-25 recorded about Mach 3.2
in Israel, but its engine was said to be broken.

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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: SR-71 / MIG-25
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:01:23 GMT

mckinney@athena.mit.edu (Ethan L Mckinney) writes:
>  At lest the SR-71 was always capable of acting as a strategic bomber -- no need
>fo accuracy with a 1 Mt bomb!

	Says who?  I don't know of a single reasonable source that suggests
that the SR ever carried ANY weapons, let alone a nuclear device.  That
is EXTREMELY unlikely.

Duane
From: megazone@realsoon.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Reason for Retirement (was Re: SR-71 Blackbird)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:44:33 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <g!C=#0#@engin.umich.edu> thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping) writes:
>  That would be the KC-135Q tanker, which could carry the fuel.  I
>  believe, but I'm not positive, that it was very corrosive, which
>  was one of the reasons for the special variant.

Actually JP-7 is one of the least reactive of all the JP's out there. The SR-71
leaks like a sieve and ground crew get soaked regularly. Talking to some at
Oshkosh a few years back they said JP-7 isn't as bad as gasoline to get on 
your skin. Just wash it off when you get around to it. 

Of course as has been said, you can put out a fire with JP-7, the Blackbird 
used TEB to ignite it.

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From: prm@genesis.ecn.purdue.edu (Philip R. Moyer)
Subject: Re: SR-71 Blackbird
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  6 Nov 92 00:04:11 GMT

erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp) writes:
>I beleive that NASA got 2 of these for high speed/altitude tests.

NASA Dryden got three SR-71s.  They are:

	Tail Number	Article number		Model
	-----------	--------------		-----
	956		2007			SR-71B
	971		2022			SR-71A
	980		2031			SR-71A

In addition, the Air Force retains three aircraft in flying storage at
Plant 42 in Palmdale, CA.  The are:

	Tail Number	Article number		Model	 Last flight
	-----------	--------------		-----	 -----------
	962		2013       		SR-71A   14 Feb 90
	967		2018        		SR-71A   14 Feb 90
	968		2019        		SR-71A   12 Feb 90

Hope this helps....

Cheers,
Phil
From: tom@math.ufl.edu (Thomas J Gillen)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: B-58 in restoration in Galveston, TX?
Date: 2 Nov 92 14:27:49 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics



	A friend recently saw a B-58, with wings hacked off, having
just been delivered to a warbird museum in Galveston, Texas,
presumably for restoration.

	

	
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From: prm@genesis.ecn.purdue.edu (Philip R. Moyer)
Subject: Re: SR-71 Blackbird
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:56:11 GMT

ashabana@agsm.ucla.edu (Ahmed Shabana) writes:
>There is a picture of an A-12 on the flight deck of the USS Intrepid
>with the editorial staff of Popular Science in the December issue of
>the magazine. The photo credit says " Location courtesy of the
>Intrepid Sea Air Space museum". Can I assume that this plane is included
>in the totals above or is it a copy?

It is tail number 60-6925, article number 122.  It was placed on the
Intrepid's deck on December 3, 1990.

Cheers,
Phil
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From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Reason for Retirement (was Re: SR-71 Blackbird)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:27:32 GMT



I was wondering about putting the SR-71 on the shelf.
Seems to me it is one of the most fantastic aircraft of
all time.  I realize it may be a bit obsolete with
sattelite recon, but sat's are limited by the ability
to come around orbit every so often.  So even though
the sats can do the same job, they seem much more
limited.  For instance, the "spyee" may know when 
the sats come by, so they can alter things or 
whatever for the recon photos.  Sure, sats can be changed
but they are still limited.

Shouldn't the SR-71 be kept for these reasons?
Is it much to expensive?  I find it hard to accept it being
out of date, its still a hell of a soph aircraft for
its age.  Can any one shed some light on this?
Maybe I'm just naive, or not well enough informed.
Thanks in advance...



Derek

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From: ashabana@agsm.ucla.edu (Ahmed Shabana)
Subject: Re: SR-71 Blackbird
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:03:06 PST

There is a picture of an A-12 on the flight deck of the USS Intrepid
with the editorial staff of Popular Science in the December issue of
the magazine. The photo credit says " Location courtesy of the
Intrepid Sea Air Space museum". Can I assume that this plane is included
in the totals above or is it a copy?

Ahmed 
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From: watk@cbnews.cb.att.com (e.l.watkins)
Subject: Re: SR-71 Blackbird
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:27:17 GMT
Keywords: Blackbird

In article <1992Nov4.115631.14579@ugle.unit.no> borud@solan.unit.no (Bj|rn Borud) writes:
>I'm looking for some info on the SR-71 Blackbird. Generally data like
>when it was designed, when it was built, it's performance spec's
>(speed, altitude, climb-rate, manouverability etc. etc.), how many 
>were made.....
>
>I also wan't to know if they have been totally shut down or if they
>still fly once in a while. (When did they fly their last mission ?)
>
>Bjorn


Both Squadran and AreoFax have very nice publications, in the $10 range.
The first SR-71s were A-12 built for the CIA in around 1962. Some were
single seaters some dule seaters. I believe that NASA still operates
a few SR-71s. As far as the Air Force the airplane is gone, in what I
feel was one of the most "political" stupid moves in years. The airplne
was out of service before desert storm but rumors have persisted
that at least 2 were pulled out of "moth balls" and used there. There have
also been rumors that at least 1 "aroura" aircraft was used there too.
But those are only rumors.
From: shtono34@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: SR-71 / MIG-25
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:51:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Following the intense discussion on SR-71 I thought it would
be a good idea to include the (no less marvellous) MIG-25 in
our discussion. These two planes were made for similar
purposes, though I believe the Russian plane was more versatile.

I have heard the rate of climb world record still belongs to 
MIG-25, I am not sure about the speed record. May be someone
could help...

Another interesting thing about the MIG is the raw output power 
of its radar 600kW! Is this really so high?

-Vincent
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Handheld scanners (not in faq)
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:56:03 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

There are some Bearcat 100 & 200 channel scanners in the $200-$250 range
that receive aircraft.


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From: steveha@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven L Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.products
Subject: Personal ELT??
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:08:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7565



I seem to remember either reading here on the net or somewhere else about a 
"Personal ELT".  I didn't pay much attention, but sure enough, now I know
someone who wants more information about it.  So ....

Did I dream the whole thing, or does someone out there have any info
on these beasts??


Thanks in advance

Steve Harris
steveha@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
From: doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.products
Subject: Re: Need help choosing radios
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:37:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov7.013719.14659
Organization: NASA-Ames Biocomputation Center

In article <1992Nov4.173227.5156@unislc.uucp>, mgc@unislc.uucp (Marc Christensen) writes:
|> David Doshay (doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov) wrote:
|> : I recently installed the ICS Plus that can be purchaced from Wag Aero.
|> : The feature-to-price ratio beats all the others, and I really like the 
|> : built in battery. I have had electrical failure, and it sure would have 
|> : been nice to have still had a working radio.
|> : 
|> : I have only flown with the unit 3 times, and I am still getting used to
|> : using some of the features, but I like it.
|> : 
|> That Last line sounds omnious. what do you mean?
|> can it run an external VOR/LOC head?
|> The radio is advertised as having 760 com 200 Nav VOR/LOC/Glide Slope built
|> in for $1595.00.
|> Is this really true? or do you get slapped with Optional Features or ROM 
|> upgrades?

When you read the WAGAERO catalouge it looks like you may need some options,
but in fact they are only needed if you are installing the radio where there
was no previous radio, or if you also wish to be able to slide it out of one
plane and into another. It comes with the charger and everything else it 
needs. It does not use an external VOR head, and I do not think it will drive
one. The indicators (your desired bearing or radial [digital], your present
bearing or radial [digital] and a course deviation indicator [bars]) are all
on the LCD face. The glideslope indicator [bars] is there too. The LOC is 
read just like a VOR. 760 com, 200 nav, 20 com and 20 nav memory each divided
into 2 banks. Built in 2 place intercom. Yup, it is all there and there are
no extras that I know of.

By still getting used to it I was refering to the fact that there is LOTS
of info on the face at once. It takes a little while to quickly pick out
just what you want. But not too long. If there is enough desire out there I
will enumerate everything that you can see. The layout is logical and there
are marks on the face to point out several key fields.

I would like it if the LCD had higher contrast, but I can read it in bright
sunlight, and it is easier at night with the built in backlighting.

David		doshay@soma.arc.nasa.gov

The thought police insist I tell you:
my thoughts, not NASA's
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From: doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay)
Subject: Re: Garmin 55 AVD - Dataport Info request
Organization: NASA-Ames Biocomputation Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:00:14 GMT

In article <pcdug.10.0@mineral.ualberta.ca>, pcdug@mineral.ualberta.ca (Doug Booth) writes:
|>  Does anyone know the technical specifications - physical and software 
|> parameters to read the data port on the the Garmin GPS? What baud rates, 
|> parity etc as well as the format of the data output. I am looking for enough 
|> information to be able to write my own interface program.
|>

GARMIN is very quick to answer questions sent to them via fax. I do not
have the number here at work, but it is in all their ads.

David		doshay@soma.arc.nasa.gov

The thought police insist I tell you:
my thoughts, not NASA's
From: scottwee@caravan.ksu.ksu.edu (Chuan Chun Wee)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.products
Subject: info on PATHCOR?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:40:20 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: caravan.ksu.ksu.edu


does anyone out there know anything about the company PATHCOR????
as far as i know it is a division of Technology Projects Ltd....	
also it produces flight surveillance equipment.....that's all		
any extra information is greatly appreciated... :) thanks!!! 	

please post reply (if any) to the net!!! :) Thanks!!!

scottwee@ksuvm.ksu.edu
scottwee@matt.ksu.edu 
Dept of Chemical Engineering, KSU
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.products
Subject: Re: Personal ELT??
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:40:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1992Nov13.164050.25368
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

In article <7565@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, steveha@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven L Harris) writes:
|> I seem to remember either reading here on the net or somewhere else about a 
|> "Personal ELT".

That was me.  I saw it advertised in the "Skyline" catalog.  This is the
same company that sells the brandless "SkyScan" aviation radio scanner.
I got the catalog when they shipped me the SkyScan.  Skyline frequently
runs advertisements in Flying.  Look up the number and given them a call.

As people on this list pointed out, it appears to be nothing more than
a handheld ELT (presumably without the "ARM" function of plane-installed
ELTs).  

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: zwork@starfighter.den.mmc.com (Michael Corvin)
Subject: Re: When Peltor ANR
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:26:17 GMT

The Silencer Headsets from Evolution (Advertised in various places - I
saw 'em in December issue of Private Pilot [with that sexy Berkut on
the cover...]) look rather suspiciously like Peltor domes in black
instead of white.  (I've got 7003's - got 'em just before the 7004
came out.. grrrr... but am very happy with them.)

My suspicion is that Evolution uses the Peltor headset hardware and
puts their ANR electronics into it.  In this case, might these be the 
"Peltor" ANR headsets or is Peltor going to come out with their own?

If the Silencer uses the Peltor hardware it will be very comfortable
and if the ANR circuitry is as effective as the advert's specs appear
to indicate this unit could be a doggone good deal at the indicated
price of $295.  Should shake-up the competition a bit, anyway.

So, who's gonna guinea pig for us and get a pair :-) ?

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From: pcdug@mineral.ualberta.ca (Doug Booth)
Subject: Garmin 55 AVD - Dataport Info request
Organization: Min-Met-Pet Engineering
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:36:27 GMT

 Does anyone know the technical specifications - physical and software 
parameters to read the data port on the the Garmin GPS? What baud rates, 
parity etc as well as the format of the data output. I am looking for enough 
information to be able to write my own interface program.
  Thanks in advance for any information which anyone can provide.

		Doug Booth 	email:userDABO@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
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From: shantia@cbnewse.cb.att.com (shantia.hassanshahi)
Subject: ICOM A20 for Sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:19:38 GMT
Keywords: ICOM IC-A20 Transceiver


I have a ICOM IC-A20 transceiver for sale. I bought this unit from
Sporty's Pilot Shop a few months ago for $475.00 
I never used the unit and it is still in the original box.
will sell for $400.00 

Saeed Razfar
708-979-5209
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From: earlb@ssd.intel.com (Earl Brabandt)
Subject: Re: Need help choosing radios
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:31:57 GMT

>David Doshay (doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>: I recently installed the ICS Plus that can be purchaced from Wag Aero.

In article <1992Nov4.173227.5156@unislc.uucp> mgc@unislc.uucp (Marc Christensen) writes:
>Is it IFR legal. If not is that an option.
>
Yes, assuming the field approval or 337 form is completed for the installation, it's 
legal for part 91 VFR or IFR operations.  Part 135 would require a TSO which the ICS
doesn't have.

Earl Brabandt
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Subject: AVIATION FLIGHT SIM BBS
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:13:00 GMT
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