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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:34:21 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:
: In article <1am6prINN718@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

: >>you don't compile C on it. the 65K maxes out at 65Kwords for each of the three
: >
: >First: It's a 56K+1.  5-6-0-0-1.  That's so people don't get confused,
: >and misinformation doesn't get spread around.
: Well you got the idea. Did you know Greg that typing-error flames are 
: considered the lowest level of flame-kind known to USENET?

typing-error? In at least two or threee different places (ie. all
places) ? Could it be something else.

: >Second:  You don't run raytracers on an integer-based DSP and expect
: >to beat the 030 you've already got sitting there.

: I don't see no real problem using this for raytracing, just scale your
: coordinates down. It will beat the shit out of the 030 and likely of the
: 040 too.

At least you haven't lost your sense of humour yet...:-)

: >>65K is not a powerful chip, is bullshit. There are obviously better (and much

Once more 65k, not 56k...

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:26:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <u894776.717808655@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>
>Lets face it - some people bought STs merely because lots of software
>ran better on an ST than an Amiga.  Better - as in faster and more usable.

Well considering the ST is only doing one thing at a time I certainly
hope it goes faster considering the CPUs on the stock machines run 
at about the same speed (I believe the ST is slightly faster).

Now, take your ST and do the canonical Amiga Multitasking Competition
Test attempt the "ray trace in the background while transfering a file at
14.4KBPS while editing a text file while running a compile of GNU EMACS
in the bacground" thing. Now who's slow?

>	Its a pity the machine with the best hardware comes out worst eh?

Hardly. I've seen that joke of a GUI on the ST. You mean you actually like
using what looks like MS-DOS for the 68000 with GEM thrown on top? I hope the
Falcon's interface gets a facelift. I think it would be a real riot if
they released this "Multi-TOS" and still had the old crusty "I'm a GEM-DOS
port" look.
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/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
/* Waiting for what comes after the A4000! 	*/
/* In the meantime I think I'll pick up a  	*/
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From: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,gac.general
Subject: Re: PR Blunder of the Millennium!
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:53:34 GMT
Reply-To: bnrmtl!groleau@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.

In article <DJOHNSON.92Oct1200242@cayenne.gac.edu>, djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu (Daniel P Johnson) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> The new issure of Time arrived in my mailbox today, accompanied by
|> '(small) SPECIAL ISSUE: (big) BEYOND THE YEAR (*really* big) 2000 !!!
|> What to expect in the new millennium.'  Some may say that it's too
|> early to start slicing cocktail wienies, but apparently it's never too
|> soon if you're an Executive Somesuch at Time and you're bored...
|> [stuff deleted...]
|> home in Sri Lanka, with Mars on the screen.'  I glance to the monitor
|> behind him: Mars.  "Rmm... I wonder what kind IBM gave him for
|> supplementing their supplement...rrr...I can *just* make out the
|> monitor...COMMODORE!?!  1084???  Hey, whats that computer sitting next
|> to it...an Amiga 3000!"  I sit back in my chair, chuckling.  The word
|> OOPS flits through my mind.  "Somebody isn't going to be happy 'bout
|> this..."  I wonder if there's anything else I would recongnize, after
|> all, Clarke has a rather mischevious grin on his face...  Hmm...whats
|> that purple sticker in the window....  'AMIGA FEVER'
|> 
|> 
|> --  Daniel Johnson  djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu  --

I remember some 6 years ago, there was a special Scientific American issue
on Computing.  Again, it was all IBM "paid-for".  On one page, there was a 
full color picture of some kids playing with a paint program.  You could
easily recognize an A1000 with a C= monitor even though trademarks had been
carefully "black-taped" out.

I just wish C= do some advertising during the Babylon-5 show...

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Bell-Northern Research| not those of my  | quote under construction...
Montreal, Canada      |     employer     |
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:18:26 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

Some folks here are already beginning to gripe about C=
not releasing information about the AGA chip set. They
tell us they don't want us to "hit" the hardware but
instead only use authorized system routines.

LET ME MAKE A DIRECT QUOTE FROM (yes, you guessed it)

                THE AMIGA HARDWARE REFERENCE MANUAL (3rd. edition)

From the preface:

        "This book is intended for the following audiences:

            Assembly language programmers who need a more direct
            way of interacting with the Amiga than the routines
            provided in the system software.

            Designers who want to interface new peripherals to the 
            Amiga.                            

            Anyone who wants to know how the Amiga hardware works.

          Here is a brief..."

I see things clearly, orphan all systems before the A4000.
Then screw over anyone who doesn't want to do things C='s
new way. I hope some happy hardware hacker posts the AGA hidden
registers to every net he can find. This would definitely serve
Commodore a bit of their own medicine...

PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:45:53 GMT

In article <8cwTRB1w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>(Rune Hyldmo) bawls:
>
>> I am sick and tierd of all you Amiga-dorks out there trying to tell us
>> that the new low-end amigas will crush the FALCON. 
>>
>> Have you stopped to think at all, I know it is a little to much to ask of
>> an Amiga freak, but still...
>
>As an avid Atari user who is anxiously awaiting the Falcon myself, I feel I
>have enough perspective on the issue to say this: You, "Rune," are a brain-
>dead, juvenile, asinine waste of oxygen.  The fact that the rest of us
>Atari users don't want to see your drivel in Atari newsgroups gives you no
>right to come over here and burden c.s.a.a. with your presence.  You're

That is funny.  Most Amiga users feel the same about you and the other two
or three Atari users left in the world who post here so often.

>worse than Amiga weenies like Marc Barrett and Skippy Sauls; at least they
>keep their drivel in the appropriate newsgroups.

Although some might feel that I would take offense at the name Skippy,
I don't.  I was called Skipper for the first 18 years of my life and have
been called SkipO, Skip-To-My-Loo (most Americans have no idea what a loo
is, yet they can sing the song :-), Skippy-De-Doo-Dah, Skipperoo, Skeets,
Bruiser, Dozer, RoboCop (the story behind that one will remain a secret),
Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, Mr. ReadNews, and others much more crude.

As for my posts being drivel, in most cases I will agree.  However, I am
somewhat insulted at being included in the same sentence as -MB-.  Sheesh,
I don't think that C= is by any means perfect, but compared to the whining
boy from Iowa, I'm their biggest fan.  I have made the mistake of cross-
posting when replying to some jerk who posts to more than one group, but
I've made an honest attempt to prevent that.  I just wonder how much traffic
is caused from all of the letters that Dan Z. auto-sends each time someone
does somethings as horrible as cross-posting to c.s.a.misc.  :-)

>Since you lack the gonads to give your e-mail address, you've pretty much
>forced public replies.  In the future, either learn some usenet ettiquette
>or ask the doctor to pull the plug.  

Believe it or not, most people chose to ignore this idiot in the hope that
he would just go away.  The problem is that some folks did reply, insuring
that the thread will continue for quite some time.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:44:34 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Marc.A.Echeveste.1-290992120346@129.74.207.54> Marc.A.Echeveste.1@nd.edu (Marc.A.Echeveste.1@nd.edu) writes:
> I have heard many mixed reviews about the A4000, but it seems that AGA is
> the wave of the future.  Since my old A500's just about kicked, I'm going
> to want a new Amiga, but the A4000 is a bit steep for this struggling
> college student.  This may be a dumb question, but is Commodore planning on
> coming out with an AGA machine that's a bit less pricey?  I'm sure they
> will, but any idea on when this might happen, and possible specs?  

   Well, when I was at the Commodore's Amiga 4000 introduction last week in
Montreal,  Alex  Orgill  (on C= rep) told us that the Amiga 4000/040 (it is
labeled  that  way  on  the  cover)  was  in  fact the base of Amiga future
machine,  and  a  more  advanced,  more powerful machines was in the way of
hitting  the  market.  When?  Nobody knows.  As for "cheaper" AGA machines,
this  was  not  so  clear.  The Amiga 4000/040 is a level-entry 040 machine
they  said.  Maybe we should expect a 030 version (remember the label!).  I
see  nothing  against the fact that Commodore will market an Amiga 4000/030
as the CPU is on a daugtherboard.

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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: real falcon 030 specs
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:49:44 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Ericsson
Originator: etxansk@garbod20

"robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:


>EK> But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
>EK>humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

> It's even nicer seeing Atari ST programs running on an Amiga 500 with an
>Atari Emulator at a faster speed then they do on an Atari ST!

 If this is something that has actually happened, as opposed to something
Amiga users have been talking about ever since the first rumour was spread
back in 1989, could somebody please explain why the Amiga with its
lower CPU speed runs TOS code faster than the ST does? I don't
think the Amiga's blister, sorry, blitter, will be of any use in this
case, since TOS routines aren't specifically written for it.

 Anders Skelander
From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 in stores by October 7
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:27:13 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <67087@cup.portal.com>, blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
> My dealer HAS his a40000's, and in fact, mine was shipped to me today. :^)
> 
> Ben

  WOW.  In the 22nd century, the powerfull Amiga 40000 has been realesed.
  Alot has changed.  For one, C= has been taken over by our freinds from
  BLAZEMONGER!  New features in Kickstart 1531.45 and Workbench 1510.99
  include:

              1.  Infinite bit graphics.
              2.  Infinite resolution.
              3.  Infinite bit sound.
              4.  Usage of Motorola's powerful 9999MHz 98068090 CPU
                  with MMU, MUM, UUM, and now MUU

              5.  Usage of Motorola's powerful 9999MHz 98069992 FPU
              6.  "Cold-fusion" powered.  This remarkable technology
                  provides an infinite power source as well as cooling
                  down the 9999MHz CPU and FPU

              7.  OS is standard BLAZEMONGER style, offering the popular
                  multitasking AI interface.  Yes, your Amiga may now
                  get into fights with itself.  Watch in amazement as
                  your C= 19600 monitor gets a black eye-- I mean, screen!

              8.  Independant thought processing module.  Yes!  You've waited
                  for it, now it is here!  NO more keyboard!  No more mouse!
                  Everything is thought driven!

              9.  DIG?  You don't NEED DIG!  You've got infinite everything
                  graphics!!! (IEG chip set)

             10.  TIME TRAVEL!  Yes, now thru BLAZEMONGER's advanced TTY
                  interface, we have been able to send the powerfull Amiga
                  40000 into the 20th century.  You can enjoy it now,
                  in late 1992 at Ben William's Dealer!

Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way Mail)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:05:05 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Then I'll state that you've never used or programmed under 2.04.
	Try using an amiga with 512k and one floppy disk drive [no harddrive]

	Sure it would be good if users didnt have these setups,
but they do - and all those other machines I mentioned work
extremely well in the base setup - the amiga does not.

	The trouble as I see it is that the engineers that commodore/amiga
had were *too* experienced with well structured, hard disk dependent
systems - lets face it, they were missing a eurohacker.  Believe me
a usable system based on amigaos is possible, but cbm have never gone
out of their way to try it.  What I say is give the CBM OS programmers
512k A500 machines, with no add ons - for a week or so - they are very
smart lads, they will be able to work out what features are needed to make
such a setup usable.  And if they think its fine?  Then show them
an Archimedes - then they can see what a hack the [lowest level of the] OS is,
but how usable it is.  Wouldnt it be nice to have an amigaos everyone can
use?

>Slowest disk access probably belongs to the 500.

	Sure, but disks rotate at the same speed on the amiga vs
most other computers Atari ST etc.  Given the difficulty of writing
single sectors with the amigas hardware [it can be done - with a few
tricks], one is quite willing to accept a writing speed half that of
other computers [taking into account the read which must be performed first]
but the reading and especially directory listing actions should be at least
as fast as other platforms.  Ever used an application which used
one of the built in [ha ha ha ha pre 2.04] file requestors - and had
to wait ages for a directory listing?  A good OS not only has a good design
but is also a pleasure to program and use - in all setups.

>						However, UGLY OS it
>is not.  I'll say now:  You've never seen or used 2.04.  2.04 is one
>of the best-looking OSes I've ever used.  And I've used quite a few.

	Really?  I base my opinions not just on what I personally think -
but what the people I know and see think.  I have not heard one
single complementary comment about the look of 2.04 from anyone except
amigaoids.  All I can imagine is that the 2.04 team were held back by
some compatability problem with the 1.3 stuff - who is CBMs resident
graphics artist for this sort of thing anyway? I havent heard a name.

[BTW I'm not trying to flame the programmers behind 2.04 wrt the looks,
 its a MASSIVE improvement over 1.3 - but it is still too ugly.  There
is no point rating yourself against yourself, you must beat the others
and then improve yourself.]
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:26:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.045210.9504@disk.uucp> sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) writes:
>
>There are many PC motherboards that are upgradable, meaning you can
>go from 386SX all the way to 486DX on the same motherboard.

WOW!!! Incredible!  Do you mean to say you get to use the old 100ns 16-bit
ram with no cache on your 386SX motherboard with your new 486DX?

I just can't believe it could be that good - I'll have to rush out and buy
a PC right away!!

>The ones
>my company reps should also be able to use the new 586 with an adapter.

The same 386SX motherboard?  Using a 586 (P5)?  With an adaptor you say?
Just think of the performance!  Unbelievable...

>The problem with CBM's method of upgrading is that if you just want to
>upgrade the graphics, you have to buy an entire new machine (kinda
>like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, eh?)

Not if you've got an A4000 - you change the motherboard, but you get to
keep your CPU ('040s are worth $$$) and your SCSI-II board.


-- 
David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast),
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.065836.4542@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	running apps off of servers, hooking up to VMS, unix etc.? 
>	How well do they work?  Just currious.
>> 


Very nicely. Quite fast. Easy copy protection (with Unix filesystem mounted as Amiga
volume. The engineers I was demonstrating it to were quite excited.

The only quirk was that dates were for some reason wrong. I never had time to find out
why.

Regards,

Dariusz Bolski
Ps. Configuration was about 30 Amigas with the following Suns as fileservers:
Sun 386i (very slow), Sun 3/60 (slow), Sun 4/110, Sun SLC and Sun IPX (very fast).
-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jgary@ms.uky.edu (James E. Gary)
Subject: WB 3.0 on 3000
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:35:12 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I was wondering if anyone knows if WB 3.0 will work on a 3000. I know that
the AGA chipset is not supported (yet), but are other features of the OS
tied to the 3000? I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but 
there is just so much noise here (so I am not helping!). To me, this will
be the question that determines the 3000 orphan status. So what if I don't
have some of the new graphics capabilities, any program worth its salt will
use what the machine has available. If I can run programs written for 3.0
that don't use the knew graphics modes (or optionally use them) on a 3000,
then I wouldn't call the 3000 an orphan. 
-- 
--
 James Gary, BA,MS      U. of Kentucky       jgary@ms.uky.edu 
"Prosecuters will be violated."
From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer, ECA008)
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

> 		Falcon 030		A4000
>		-----------------	--------------------------
> 		030			040

>Audio: 		DSP			no DSP
> 		16-bit Audio		8-bit Audio
> 		Keyboard-case		External keyboard

>Video:		15-bit palette		24-bit palette
> 		Few resolutions		More, larger, varied resolutions
>		---			Programmable video display chips
>		15.75 & 31.5 khz	15.75 -> 31.5, programmable
>		????			140, 70, and 35ns pixel generation
>		????			8 hardware sprites, 64-bits wide
>		small blitter		robust blitter
>		shared bus		graphics on separate bus
>		????			Bitplane and chroma-keying
>		Overscan (?)		Fully customizable overscan

The FALCON/030 does overscan up to 720x480...

>Expansion:	One "processor direct"	A "processor slot",
>					3 Zorro/AT slot (inline),
>					1 Video/Zorro slot (inline),

>HD: 		SCSI II			Cached IDE using interrupts
>		no Hard Disk		~120MB HD

You forgot the memory...

 Memory:        1 MB                    2MB Chip-, 4MB Fast-Memory

And ROM...

 ROM:           512KB                   512KB

>OS:		(?) MultiTOS		AmigaDOS 3.0(TM)

> list price	$799			$3000

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