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From: wday@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:07:07 GMT


In article <2AD941E5.18956@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

> I apologize for posting my job-related, political-like article to this group,

              [lotsa stuff deleted]

> Also, there is a frequently asked question, which is "why do you stay in this
> contry?".  My answer is: If I cannot stay here until I agree to sell my 
> country, I will leave.  Otherwise, I will keep looking for a place where
> my expertise can be used.  Even George Bush said during last night's debate
> that he did not like those who "publically demonstrate to against their
> home country in a foreign territory".

Please do not make the mistake of thinking that George Bush speaks for
everyone in this country, or that his views reflect the views of the majority
of the people in this country, Mr. Yeh.

There is room in our country for both you and for the students that you so
thoroughly despise.  That, and the ability to critisize ourselves without
mistaking such critical words for treason or sedition, is what makes this
country different from the middle empire.

  Wayne Day
     University of North Texas
     internet:  wday@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
     hamnet:    kf5zc



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Article: 1452 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:45:47 CDT


Shannon Yeh writes:

*I apologize for posting my job-related, political-like article to this group,
*if readers feel that my message should be posted to other groups.  But I am
*NOT going to apologize for the content of my articel, because my opinion
*was not formed within one night or two nights.  I have been spending years
*to watch those students' behave, and I decided to hate them--even someone puts
*knife on my neck, my view still cannot be changed.

     OK.

*Mr. Smith, I understand that I am posing hart time on my countrymen, but if
*those countrymen sell my home country and my other countrymen, the only I can
*do is to fight with them to the very end.

     What do you mean by sell?

[...]

*My final words on the subject issue is:
*      Let's forget those political *lisms (capitalism, communism)!
*      If people are not loyal to their home country, 	they will not 
*      be loyal to their new country, either.

     There are many reasons (some valid, others not) for not being loyal to
     your home country and it cannot be assumed that loyalty will not be 
     established to their new home.

*In other words, I (shannon Yeh) am loyal to my home country, and I will be
*loyal to my new country if I decide to change my citizenship.  (but it is
*always hard for a responsible man to make such decision.)

*Apologetically,

*shannon
*-------


***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
I'd rather be in a coma.........


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Article: 1454 of misc.jobs.contract
From: tsang@futon.SFSU.EDU (Joanna Tsang)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:48:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics
Organization: San Francisco State University

Hi, Folks!

	This is misc.jobs.contract, not alt.politics.  Please take this
discussion elsewhere.  I'm trying to find a job!  (Note the followup
line.)

	BTW:  Mr. Yeh has a right to his own opinion.  But if he chooses
to make his views public, he will have to deal with the consequences.
He's obviously made his bed (or coffin. :-)  Let him lay in it.  I don't
necessarily agree with his viewpoints, but those are his opinions.  What
everyone else believes in is up to them.

	Any good jobs out there for a SQA person in the Bay Area?
Please write me.

							-Joanna
==============================================================================

In article <1992Oct12.134548.9351@walter.cray.com> sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson) writes:
>
>Shannon Yeh writes:
>
>*I apologize for posting my job-related, political-like article to this group,
>*if readers feel that my message should be posted to other groups.  But I am
>*NOT going to apologize for the content of my articel, because my opinion
>*was not formed within one night or two nights.  I have been spending years
>*to watch those students' behave, and I decided to hate them--even someone puts
>*knife on my neck, my view still cannot be changed.
>
>     OK.
>
>*Mr. Smith, I understand that I am posing hart time on my countrymen, but if
>*those countrymen sell my home country and my other countrymen, the only I can
>*do is to fight with them to the very end.
>
>     What do you mean by sell?
>
>[...]
>
>*My final words on the subject issue is:
>*      Let's forget those political *lisms (capitalism, communism)!
>*      If people are not loyal to their home country, 	they will not 
>*      be loyal to their new country, either.
>
>     There are many reasons (some valid, others not) for not being loyal to
>     your home country and it cannot be assumed that loyalty will not be 
>     established to their new home.
>
>*In other words, I (shannon Yeh) am loyal to my home country, and I will be
>*loyal to my new country if I decide to change my citizenship.  (but it is
>*always hard for a responsible man to make such decision.)
>
>*Apologetically,
>
>*shannon
>*-------
>
>
>***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
>HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
>I'd rather be in a coma.........


-- 
Joanna Tsang						tsang@futon.sfsu.edu
San Francisco State University				tsang@toaster.sfsu.edu

This mesage will self-destruct in...*BOOM!*...five seconds.


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Article: 1477 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:00:10 PDT

In article <2AD941E5.18956@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
> Also, there is a frequently asked question, which is "why do you stay in this
> contry?".  My answer is: If I cannot stay here until I agree to sell my 
> country, I will leave.  Otherwise, I will keep looking for a place where
> my expertise can be used.  Even George Bush said during last night's debate
> that he did not like those who "publically demonstrate to against their
> home country in a foreign territory".

And a Mr. Perot said that if you hate people he doesn't want your
vote. And a Mr. Clinton pointed out that freedom of expression is
one of the most valued rights in this country and it was right of
Mr. Bush's father to condemn Joseph McCarthy for attitudes not
unlike yours in the fifties.

> My final words on the subject issue is:
> 	Let's forget those political *lisms (capitalism, communism)!
> 	If people are not loyal to their home country, 	they will not 
> 	be loyal to their new country, either.

Loyalty does not mean blind acceptance of everything the
government does. Pick up a book and find out about how loyalty to
one's country was viewed in the 1770s in the British colonies in
America.
 
> In other words, I (shannon Yeh) am loyal to my home country, and I will be
> loyal to my new country if I decide to change my citizenship.  (but it is
> always hard for a responsible man to make such decision.)

I'm certainly relieved that you apparently aren't inclined to
become a US citizen.

-dh


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Article: 1443 of misc.jobs.contract
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: gally@barsoom.network.com (Jerry Gally)
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Originator: gally@barsoom
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:46:45 GMT

To: yeh@netix.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Yeh should make an apology
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Cc: 
Bcc: 

When protesting in ones home country results in prison, torture and
an extended list of sickeningly UNJUSTIFIABLE repression like
punishing an entire family for the protests of a member there-of, I
HEARTILY endorse protesting in whatever context is available.

Even in this country, there are people such as yourself who
are hate-mongers and are willing to apply demented repression
against those who are of a different political bent.  Protesting
in this country in the late 60's was sufficient cause for 
being stalked by government agencies who's mandate was to stiffle
political views which differed from that of the administration.

When persecution exists in ones native land, I say, go and tell
the entire world about it.  Reveal the dirty secrets to the light 
of international scrutiny.  

Patriotism in the face of totalitarianism is the refuge of 
a coward.


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Article: 1450 of misc.jobs.contract
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:36:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

In article <Bvzxn2.9BG@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>In article <81507@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>>
>  Using a simplified writing system, they can easily teach 
>simple-minded Mainland peasants to read and write.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       
  I assume you believe that all peasants are simple-minded like your
ancestors, who perhaps were peasants in the mainland China some time ago.
Don't look down on the peasants. They're as intelligent as you are given
the appropriate environment. Don't think you're smarter than they are
because you know something they don't know. Think the other way: Is
there anything they know that you don't know? Don't forget your great
Master - Confucius teaching: 'Among three people walking on the street,
one of them can be my teacher'.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "6.4" bill, blood card
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:40:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bw2Gn2.7y5@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
 >In article <92287.005713LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
 >>My opinion is, why someone just want to accuse beneficiaries of S1216 as Blood
 >>
 >>Card Holders in stead of charging the Blood Card Maker? Who should be hold
 >>
 >>responsible for the subsequent Green Card Bill s1216? CSS or CG? Personally
 >>
 >>I PREFER to sweat out my green card with honest, respectable work TO  to
 >>
 >>be handed out by Uncle Sam with pity. Who put us in this pitying situation?
 >>
 >>CSS or CG? Why someone, like Shannon Yeh, always charges the majority
 >>
 >>of CSS instead of CG? Are we weaker, minor, no harm to anybody, can not
 >>
 >>retaliate anyone? It that coward?
 >>
 >>Lynn
 >
 >After you did your part in distinguishing CG from CSS, it is my turn to
 >"separate" the "CSS" further:
 >                              Honest CSSs and others.

Why don't you make it clear, who are honest CSSs and who are not?

Y.Duan

Suggestions: Take it easy. Love your fellows.

 >
 >A lot of things were mixed up these days. :-(
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.202355.24276@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu  
(Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
> >
> >>Why do Singaporeans do the same? Many of them don't think themselves as  
Chinese.
> >
> >Even I don't think THEY are chinese, most of them are only a sort of 
> >"RUNNING DOG" who like only to speak English and pretend not understanding
> >Chinese.   :(
> >
> 
> This is outrageous. I know many Singaporeans indeed don't know how to speak
> Chinese.  Why should Singaporeans must know Chinese ?
> Do you know how many second generation Chinese born in U.S. can't speak
> Chinese ? Are they running dog ?
> 
> Yi-Chieh

Well, according to Shi Chunde's opinion, they are Banana, which might be worse  
than "running dogs". Immigration usually is a shameful thing according to some  
"patriots".

Carl
From: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Please FAX this letter to George Bush
Date: 9 Oct 1992 04:21:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <2AD3D8CA.4721@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon  
Yeh) writes:
> To: President George Bush
> RE: Bill S1216
>   Bu4Xue2Wu2Shu4.


What is his fax number ? (1-800-FAX-BUSH ???)
Just kidding .

Go White-Sox, Da Bulls, Cubs Win, Cubs Win.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon's message got through
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Oct13.144704.15537
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <92Oct13.035555.@> zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang) writes:
>>Subject: An open letter to the US employers

>Stuff deletted.

>Oh! I am so sorry for your guys in the US.  Feel the pain? where?
>It may really hurt this time! Say, after reading the letter, an
>employer to be may think: "Are Chinese all like this guy?", or 
>"If I hire some Chinese, I might get one of the persons like this one!!!"

Don't need to worry. There is an idiot born every minute and 
most employers (who have to deal with idiots everyday :-) 
have the ability to distinguish Yeh from you guys. 

I do agree with you that the present of Yeh himself in the U.S.
is the most damaging thing he can do to Chinese.  

>    Yuejin Zhang	zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wuz@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Zhong Wu)
Subject: test
Summary: don't read me
Keywords: test
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:11:46 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: "6.4" bill, blood card
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:42:48 GMT

In article <92287.005713LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>My opinion is, why someone just want to accuse beneficiaries of S1216 as Blood
>
>Card Holders in stead of charging the Blood Card Maker? Who should be hold
>
>responsible for the subsequent Green Card Bill s1216? CSS or CG? Personally
>
>I PREFER to sweat out my green card with honest, respectable work TO  to
>
>be handed out by Uncle Sam with pity. Who put us in this pitying situation?


You're in exactly the same situation you were in before you came to the
U.S. If you return to China and speak out against the government you'll
be persecuted. All you are is a little less ignorant about the true
nature of the CCP and the PLA. 

So this "new situation" that requires green cards for everyone is a
fabrication of CSS. That's why we question your motives.

Mark (not Shannon this time)

>
>CSS or CG? Why someone, like Shannon Yeh, always charges the majority
>
>of CSS instead of CG? Are we weaker, minor, no harm to anybody, can not
>
>retaliate anyone? It that coward?
>
>Lynn


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [race (people)] name of the Zhuang4 race (re-ask)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:44:31 GMT

     [La nomo de rasoj povas s^ang^i.  Estas mire.  Mi scivolas, kiom ofta
c^i tio estas.]

     I asked why the name of the race in Southern China:
 ||| \ / -+- \   --+ \ / /  
 |+|  X  /|       |/  X     
 --- / \  +-      |  / \    
namely:
 / -\- 
/|-\-/-
 |+---+
 ||-+-|
 |+-+-+
 |--+--
 |-----
was changed to:
| |  |
| |  |
+-|--+--
  |  |
+-|  |
| |  |
/ | ---	?

     How can the name of an entire race be changed?  Don't tell me that when
the communists came, they artificially changed it.  I hope not; that would
have been not very acceptable.

						*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:01:31 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


    In post <Bvyr78.ELn@news.iastate.edu> (11 Oct 1992) Zhiqi Zuo writes,

> The professor didn't do anything like claiming "I am weak.  I need
> desperately your help.  Save my life, your Honour.  This is the only way
> out for me."  He choose to stay, then he did it by not doing anything
> losing his dignity.  That was all.

    Are we still talking of the original question posted by Lix? :-)

    There is a peach tree in the community.  Some guys, for whatever motives,
garden-lover or learning from Lei Feng, water the tree, meanwhile, used a
heavy dose of insecticide to drive CCP bugs away.  The tree bloomed and is
now full of delicate peaches.

    Two peaches are delivered to every door step in the community, one for
you and one for your wife (or future wife).  Lix asked, "I didn't use the
insecticide [thus am not liable for possible pollution].  Now the peaches
fall to my door 'naturally.'  Should I eat it?"

    We are talking about how to water your mouth, instead of how to water
the tree :-).  Tree-watering is already the history, thanks to the hard work
of all involved.

    If Chairman Mao were alive, he would say, "You dare not!  I watered the
tree once so the tree is watered by me.  I gonna take all the peaches."

    Some netters cry, "You shouldn't.  The tree doesn't belong to you, to
eat those peaches is no better than stealing."

    Your answer, seems to me, is that to eat as many as possible, so the guys
who water the tree won't have enough to eat.

    What I said, essentially, is to go ahead and eat your fair share if you
are thirsty and hungry, and history will forgive you.

    Nobody would go to a prominent Chinese-American professor's 70th birthday
party and ask nonsense like, "Did you take advantage of Chinese soldiers'
sacrifice in the WW II?"  (see Tingli Pan's post, Chinese were only allowed
to immigrate to US then)  Or "Did you take advantage of senator McCarthy's
anti-communism hysteria in US in the early '50s?"  Or "What you said about
CCP and PRC when you were interviewed by INS?"  Or "Why didn't you return to
PRC after finishing your degree?  Don't you know the Chinese people
subsidised
your education even in the extremely difficult time of the Resistance War
Against Japan?"

    Nobody.  No even the delegates sent by CCP.  Not even Eddie :-).  He only
advocates to "Qing1 Ye4 Men2 Xin1" (ask your soul in a quiet night).  In post
<Bvz04o.Ivy@cs.psu.edu> (11 Oct 1992) Eddie Cheng writes,

> No, probably nobody would come to ask these questions (unless you want to
> follow Bill Clinton into politics :-).  But it shouldn't take a "someone"
> to ask.  One's own self would sometimes question these things.

    I could agree that a person should ask himself three times a day for what
he is doing, but the people of a modern society tend to be _not_ regulated by
rules of elitist honour.  I am not interested in defending this practice, but
one has to live with the time one is living in.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A statement on who paid for my effort
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:35:59 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <2ADCDF64.25191@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>I have no official relationship with any government agency in China.  However,
>since the Chinese government employees are part of the Chinese people, and
>since I love the Chinese people so much, I do have considerable contacts with
>various types of the Chinese people out there in China.
......
>themselves as tools.  For example, after Deng Xiaoping dies (should be very 
>soon), if the Shannon Yeh compatibles control the Chinese government, those 
>students will have nothing to sell in the US!  My friends and I do NOT care 
>the China/US relationship when principles are violated--anywhere they like--
>go to Vietnam again? fine; go to Korea again, fine; or even go to the desert,
>we would Fong4Pei2 Dao4Di3!
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(for none Chinese, this means 'fight to the end')

It's time someone in UCI to find out who the Shannon Yeh is
and what's his real name. If you do have friends like you in Chinese 
government as you claimed, we need to identify who the little Nazis
are. 

Someday, you probably will have to enjoy your desert :-)
From: WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92288.175549WXG101
Organization: Penn State University

In this country, all people have to pay taxes and their government decide how t
o use the money. For example, free educations are free in some places. Should t
he kids in schools be charged to own tuition to other people whose kids are not
 in school? NO! Money for eduction includes in part their tax. Families with ki
ds in school may get benefit in terms of education more than those who don't ha
ve kids in school. However, they may get less benefit for some other items, suc
h as pension, medical assistance, food stamps etc. It is FAIR enough, I think.
    In China, people seem not to pay taxes. In fact, their low income is pay-af
ter-taxed. Therefore, every person has his right to get benefit in education, m
edical care, ..., if they are qualified. IT IS FAIR. NO ONE OWNS THE OTHERS.
    For this reason, I really suggest to pay people higher and collect tax from
 them (net income may be exactly the same). However, people, paying taxes, may
be encouraged to speak out on how to spend their tax money.
    Does this make sense, anyhow?

  Yes, one of Chinese people.
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From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:44:44 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>what Taiwan is now.  

Oh dear, another Japanese *ss-licker (pardon my language :-). 

Remember those "comfort women"? Imagine, Yi-Chieh, if one of those
old ladies is your mother. Do you still feel better off? 

No offense, but please think!
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