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Original-From: Ken Wolman <mhwpa!ktw>
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:55:57 EST
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      New Year's greetings of a sort
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Happy New Year, folks....


      TASHLICH AT YEAR'S END

                      (Tashlich is the ceremony performed on the first day
                      of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, when bread
                      is cast into a stream or river to signify the
                      casting-off of the errors of the dying year.)

      Tie it in a sack,
      with knots as tight as the knots in your stomach:
      tie the knots double,
      lest what's inside is the Houdini
      of your private demon-closet,
      and may escape.
      Weight it with stones,
      carry it to the shores
      of some convenient stream of living waters:
      cast it as far as you can
      (pray for it if it pleases you)--
      but let it drown.

      I'm sorry if you're squeamish,
      and yes, killing is a sin:
      but it's a war, after all:
      and if some of you get queasy at the thought
      of what's in the bag squirming,
      choking for air,
      think what it would do to you
      if it got loose,
      what it maybe did to you already,
      or tried:
      consider it a mercy-killing,
      consider yourself prepaid
      on the Five Stages of Grief,
      and this casting-off a celebration.

      Let the minstrels come in.

Kenneth Wolman, December 31, 1992
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:31:19 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Orleans
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> I'm going to be there the weekend of February 26-27, at the Monteleone
> talking about Galdos and related matters.  Sounds like a good time to
> me.

That's a good possibility.

> --ggs (looking for a ride in a green Del Sol)

What if it turns out to be red?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Scapular chain

> Close enough. It would suggest that the person had something to do with
> the Redemptorist Order, or one of its lay (secular -- non-clergy)
> affiliates.

Why do you say this? I wore a scapular for years and have nothing to
do w/the Redemptorists.

> staps, small religious icons were attached. Eventually the prac-
> tise changed to just wearing a small medallion with the picture
> of the Blessed Virgin on it, strapped around the neck with a small
> chain as used for any neck ornament.

My scapular was made out of felt and cotton.

Karen
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pizza Toppings
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>>There is a restaurant in town called Gyro Wrap (pronounced Your-Oh).
>>The best thing they serve is a falafel wrap with chunks of feta cheese.
>>The "wrap" itself is pita bread.  Mmmmm.
>
>        Sorry to be a nitpicker (not really), but "Gyro" is pronounced
>more like "GYee-Ro".  It is hard to really explain the way the Greek
>Gamma is pronounced without actually letting someone here it.  It is
>somewhat guttural.  They "Y" is most definately NOT an "ou" sound.  It
>is a long "e" -- like most Greek vowels.
>
>Rita Rouvalis                                Electronic Frontier Foundation

I think I've mostly heard it as "Hero" with a guttural "H".

judith, hungrier...
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:08:49 GMT
From:         Graham Toal
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Subject:      Re: Happy New Year!
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:But think of us poor bystanders to this argument:  if you can't be original,
:take it to private mail.

I'd take it to /dev/null if he'd take his biblical tracts there too.
I don't know how much usenet you do, but there's been a depressingly high
volume lately of loony xtians dumping their tracts on totally uninterested
groups - it's getting worse than the junk mailings from commercial
companies that we had last year.  I can just about stomach it on usenet
where I have / god /:j in my global kill file, but this stuff comes
directly into my mailbox and I find unsolicited religious tripe grossly
offensive.

G
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:17:28 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Whole Nine Yards
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              29 Dec 1992 10:22:47 -0500 from
              <lbradley@GRITS.VALDOSTA.PEACHNET.EDU>

On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:22:47 -0500 Lee Bradley said:
>contained nine cubic yards of concrete.  "How much concrete you want in
>this hole, boss?"  --"The whole nine yards."
>
>Does anyone have a more logical (or documentable) explanation?
>
   I can't document it, but to me it logically comes from football....
like it being fourth down and having the whole nine yards to go....


but.....yours is interesting too....

dan
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>> >Hmmm.  A taste temptation, huh?  I thought salsa was a hot tomato relish
>> >for dipping tortilla chips. . . . Seems as if I need Spanish lessons,
>> >n'est pas?
>> Music ones anyway.:-)
>> >
> <sigh> My attempts at music lessons would make you weep.

No, they wouldn't.  You ought to hear me try to sing; that would make any
serious musician weep.:-)  Salsa is a kind of hispanic pop music, more or
less.  It's kind of neat, it you can get into the rythms they use.

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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Whole Nine Yards
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From: MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

> The saying is from the days of delivering coal to homes for fuel.
> A coal truck would hold a maximum of nine cubic yards of coal
>

And I thought it was a hold over from Old Norse. The Norse cos-
mos was composed of nine 'areas' transliterated as 'yeards',
so the entire universe would be known as the whole nine yeards.

Ceases will never wonder.

Pm
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From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:37:20 GMT

I'm getting no response whatsoever to the 'show' command, whether sent by
internet mail or sent interactively by bitnet.  <sigh>
--
   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:27:31 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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              24 Dec 1992 05:12:14 GMT from <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

On Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:12:14 GMT Ruth M. Hanschka said:
>is a factor, but I know a lot of people the world wouldn't consider
>"attractive" who are a)happily married, b)engaged, or c)have very active
>social lives.  As long as a person doesn't have a truely horrible B.O. [IMHO]

   agree...as i've posted at length....

    and i trust i know ruth well enough to know that she wasn't offended
at my son's question about whether her nose would hit the wall first...and
same with my repeating it publicly....etc.....obviously not the type of
'harrassment' that i would give to someone i did NOT know....

dan
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From:         "Thomas J. Lee" <tjl9@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ink-bottle design
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Brad writes:

B>Below is a crude drawing (Hey! It's my first one online) of the Mont
B>Blanc ink bottle.  Is there some advantage to this design -- the fact
B>that it has that small dam between the two reservoirs?

        If the dam weren't there, and if there weren't much ink in the
bottle, you'd have to pick up the bottle and tilt it in order to dip
your pen, and you'd have to stick the pen all the way down to the bottom
of the bottle, getting ink on the pen and your fingers.  The small
reservoir gives you a higher ink level in such cases.

Thomas J. Lee, amateur calligrapher (who gets ink all over his fingers
anyway)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:27:17 -0600
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What kind of people are you, anyway?
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> I cannot verify that Rhode Island is the seat of paradise, but I can attest
> that northwestern Ohio is not in contention for the title.
>
I can confirm that Houston, Texas, doesn't even come close.
ndh (who is still in shock from Houston Christmas traffic)
From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
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In article <WORDS-L%92122116094243@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU writes:
>Posted on 21 Dec 1992 at 15:27:00 by Peter Montgomery
>>Obviously you haven't experienced that kind of mockery, or you would
>>understand. A more commonly used word is prejudice. Hitler & co. mocked
>>Jewish beliefs unmercifully. Is that something to be tolerated? In-
>
>Huh?  I don't remember Jewish *beliefs* being mocked by white supremacists.

Historically, it has been Jewish *beliefs* ("non-Christian") that provided
the basis for symbolizing their "evil." Check out the writings of the KKK
and the Aryan Nation, among others.

>Chinese American who was clubbed to death in Detroit several years ago
>wasn't killed for his *beliefs*--he was killed because the stupid auto

He was killed because they perceived Japanese workers to be taking
jobs away from US workers through the high sales of Japanese cars.
There was also a spate of trashing Japanese cars in Detroit. Here, the
issue were a bizarre economic logic by those being victimized by US
production practices (or lack of them).

A
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>: Nethead squared (or is that cubed.. ?)
>
>Squared.  Everybody knows it's AMERICA^3.
>
Can't be - I've never been square[d].  Or Cubed, for that matter.  
I have been logged, though, both in and out.:-)  

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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Song (for Natalie)
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hope this has been duly archived by now....

dan
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thought some of the wordslers might enjoy this.    dan

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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:17:48 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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              21 Dec 92 22:35:05 -0800. <9212220637.AA03585@sics.se>

 >Yes. I thought I had covered that ground the first time around by
 >indicating that people do have a right to register their objections to
 >what they find wrong in others' beliefs.

  This certainly clarifies what you have in mind when you speak of respecting
deep beliefs. You have no objection to people declaring other people's
deeply held beliefs false, revolting, and beneath contempt. What you do
object to is "mockery" of those deeply held beliefs, where mockery, I
suppose, typically involves desecration, unseemly levity, sacrilege, parody,
as typified perhaps by Mel Brooks's treatment of Christian and Nazi beliefs.

  With this point clarified, I think it's a reasonable comment that
your terminology is more than a little misleading. Ordinarily I don't
think we would say that we "respect" beliefs which we hold in utter
contempt and condemn in terms appropriate to that attitude.
(Tolerating them is a different matter.) In your terminology, we
still "respect" those beliefs if we do not make fun of them etc. This
is an unusual viewpoint, but perhaps you should confirm that it is in
fact your view? I'm not sure about this in view of your defense of the
"no mockery" principle:

  >On a legal level, the mockery has to be allowed. As a matter of
  >good social communication among people of many different backgrounds and
  >pursuasions who have a lot that is of value to share with each other, it
  >seems to me there can be no room for it whatsoever, if the full value of
  >what can be offered is to be available to the participants.

If you invoke "good social communication" I don't see how you distinguish
between mockery and non-mocking condemnation. Surely declaring somebody's
deeply held beliefs to be nonsensical and beneath contempt is not conducive to
"good social communication"?
From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
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In article <9212202051.AA00707@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK (Graham Toal) writes:
>Jim, what's the word on the streets about the new US practice of locking
>up free citizens (in prison - not detained under the mental health act)
>*in case* they committed some crime in the future?  Isn't anyone over
>there worried by this?  Has it been reported even?

Other than isolated instanced, I've heard nothing about it as a general
practice of pro-active prevention. In fact, the opposite seems to be
true--there are complaints that some walking time bombs are allowed to
roam because they haven't done anything (particularly in mental health
and in restraining orders on ex-partners). There is a practice, still
used in Chicago, in which "sweeps" are made and youths who look like
gang members (which means Black and Hispanic males under the age of 21)
are "arrested," kept overnight (or longer) then released 'cause there are
no charges. The ACLU has been fighting this with some success, but it's
a long struggle.

I find RICO and related laws that allow semi-permanent confiscation and
forfeiture of property to be more serious. Laws intended for Organized
Crime are extended to *suspected* drug dealers, computer "hackers," and
others. The "profits" from confiscations generally go back into police
coffers.
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>>I thought Graham said only a few days ago that he didn't read your messages
>>and had often deleted mine by mistake...... perhaps he observes something
>>similar about us that he's not letting us in on that is leading to his
>>confusion. ;-)
>>
>We probably have the same taste in jokes.:-)  We certainly both give him
>deadpan answers to some tasteless joke questions.

True enough!

>I didn't catch the Wombat
>reference at first, until Frank clued me in; I've always heard that joke
>about Pandas and Koalas.:-)

It doesn't apply to Koalas...... they have a very restricted diet - can only
eat one type of eucalyptus leaf and only come onto the ground to run to the
next 'food' tree which is invariably a fatal move if there happens to be a
highway between the two trees.

>Graham is usually like a bear with a sore paw
>this time of year anyway, so maybe we both just give him good targets to
>growl at.

I thought the rumbling noise I heard from him was his stomach anticipating
the festive season. :-)

>Actually, given his physical appearance, a bear isn't that bad of
>an analogy....

Yep! He reminds me of a teddy-bear I used to have... it used to growl when it
'rocked' too.

>[eh, fungus-face?  THIS IS YOUR CLUE TO GROWL IN, GRAHAM] :-)
>
>--
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Reminds me of the description one of my sons gave of his father after he first
saw his father with a beard...... "He looks like a rat looking through a
toilet brush". That was two years after our divorce, so I just had to concur.
Thankfully, Graham doesn't fit that description at all.

Carolyn
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              <gtoal%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk%kate.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
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:So who needs a magnifying glass?  So who owns one to use?:-)  Ever see the
:OED miniature version?  It's a single volume, and you need an x10 glass to
:read the thing....  Or at least they sell one with it.  Real wimps can only

That's what I meant - that's the one I have, and I don't use the signifying
glass - it doesn't magnify.

G
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What's in a name?
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Honest-to-goodness real names and occupations:

Dr. Zoltan Ovary, gynecologist
Mr. A. Moron, Commissioner of Education for the Virgin Islands
The Reverends Christian Church and God
Mr. Thomas Crapper of Crapper, Ltd. Toilets
(although I think this is a retroactive thing, crap being called that
*after* Mr. Crapper's invention rather than before)
Cardinal Sin, Archbishop of Manila, the Philippines
Mr. Groaner Digger, undertaker in Houston
Ms. Justine Tune, chorister in Westminster Choir College, Princeton NJ
Diana Nyad, champion long-distance swimmer
(see, someone you've actually heard of!)
John Hotvet, veterinarian, Minnetonka, Minnesota
Mssrs. Plummer and Leek, plumbers in Sheringham, Norfolk, England
Mssrs. Wyre and Tapping, detectives in NYC

And a freebie:  My gynecologist, Dr. Roberto Casanova.  :)

The others come from _The Best Baby Name Book in the Whole Wide World_,
and I tried to include just the ones that could be verified.

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
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        Yes, this looks like an especially delectable **E-OOPS**!@#!@#!@#

        -abh

It does?  Made peefect sense to me.  Haven't you been following
the earlier correspondence?  Not deleting stuff unread *again* are you? ;-)

G
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From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Say Something To Jeffrey
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Hi, Jeff.
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
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>On Thu, 24 Dec 1992 LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU wrote:
>
>> Just for that, Graham, I think I'll send abh a photograph of me to scan in
>> which my 'beard' doesn't show. :-)
>
>Send me both! I'll post gladly!
>
>-abh

No..... just the one for now! What's your address?

Carolyn
From: ll23%nemomus@academic.nemostate.edu (Karen Kay)
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Posted on 28 Dec 1992 at 23:31:55 by ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
>Yeah, by default, after Carolyn Heilbrun was driven out of Columbia.

More about this, please....this is the first I have heard of this.

Karen
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In a previous article, Fizzy the Fribble () says:

>From the screen of 'Anne Burton Harwell'...
>> > > 'high-profile'?  Is that a coment about my stomach, eh fizzy?  Grrrr!
>> > Only when you are lying down Graham.
>> I never in all my life. Standing up = ??
>
>(Any sexual innuendo implied by the first message was totally accidental
> and not intended.)
>
>But the term "beached whale" came to mind...
>
Fiz, I think I know which whale in particular.  The Great White whale of
imfamous memory - Moby Dick? [it had to be said; it's the Usenet Influence
creeping up on me....]
I'll let other, dirtier-minded folks <ahem> flesh out the implications of
that name.

Ken?  You awake?

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