HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: O.S. Card's next book?
Summary: _Lost Boys_ is out??  To the library with ye, Andrew...
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:43:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Attack of the Quayle Potatoes

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>>Does anyone know when the newest Orson Scott Card book is coming out?

[...]

>I think Lost Boys is the single book you're thinking about, and it's out.

Eep!  Guess I'll have to put it on reserve... (Me?  MONEY??  Bwahahaha...)

>I recently got his next Tor book in galley form, and that one is the second
>book in the Memory Series, so it'll be out late this year in hardcover (I
>think December, but it's not handy, which is why I'm not giving you the
>title, either). 

_The Call of Earth_, if the lists of books in the Ender series reprints are
correct.

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  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.

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                       Because ten years later, dammit,
               logic is *still* the chastity belt of the mind.
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From: charles@netcom.netcom.com (Charles R. Hoynowski)
Subject: Re: Glasgow World Con Info Needed!
Organization: Gizmonic Institute, SOL Division
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:21:26 GMT

In article <krikket.005k@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

   If I understand correctly, Glasgow (And I hope to all hell I'm spelling it
   correctly, as I don't know for certian!) has won the WorlCon bid...

   Does anyone know info for attending memberships, as in rates, addresses, and
   the like?


The addresses for the Glasgow worldcon are:

UK:                                     US:

Glasgow in '95                          Glasgow in '95
121 Cape Hill                           P.O. Box 15430
Smethwick, Warley,                      Washington, DC
West Midlands                           20003-0430
B66 4SH       UK                        USA


Compuserve: 70511,603         GEnie: K.Siegell


You may want to try the email addresses first to get current membership
prices and info.


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From: Donald E. Eastlake, III <dee@ranger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Fan E-Mail Database
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:57:54 GMT

In article <12320@jjmhome.UUCP> Laurie Mann, lmann@jjmhome.UUCP writes:
>Fan E-Mail Database
> 
>This fannish database is being compiled by John Lorentz.  Please send
>additions, corrections or deletions to 74007.3342@compuserve.com.  I
>will repost it here as needed.  If someone wants to include this at an
>anonymous FTP site, please do so.
>Donald Eastlake III                  dee@ranger.enet.dec.com
>                                     dee@enet.dec.com

PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS LIST FOR BROADCASTING!

A significant fraction of the people on this list have absolutely
nothing to do with
fandom and were obviously grabbed off of my person mailing list.  I
guess I have been
too generous in sending it to people.  I'll be sending an Email
protest directly to John
Lorentz.

As for my addresses, dee@enet.dec.com could never have worked.  The
best two addresses
to list would be
                             dee@ranger.enet.dec.com (work)
                             beast@world.std.com (social)

Donald
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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Glasgow World Con Info Needed!
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:15:56 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

If I understand correctly, Glasgow (And I hope to all hell I'm spelling it
correctly, as I don't know for certian!) has won the WorlCon bid...

Does anyone know info for attending memberships, as in rates, addresses, and
the like?

(I've already decided to go, and have gotten free air-fare, so...)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: mforbes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (I am a Jelly Doughnut)
Subject: O.S. Card's next book?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:50:47 GMT

Does anyone know when the newest Orson Scott Card book is coming out?
I had heard that two different books are coming out, one is a the 1st
book in a new series (or a single, not sure) and the other is the
2nd book in the Memory of Earth series....
if anyone knows anything at all, I'd like to know :)
thanx!
-Mike Forbes
From: adrian@robots.ox.ac.uk (Adrian Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: UK: University SF Group Mailing List
Keywords: university group, UK, student
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:35:30 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.
Originator: adrian@percy.robots

** UK only - world distribution because sf.announce moderators are in US **

The National Student Science Fiction Association mailing list is about
the running of student science fiction groups in the UK.  Suitable
topics include announcements of events and the problems of running
these groups.  Unsuitable topics include Heinlein's sexual politics,
Orson Scott Card's religion and the plot flaws of Terminator II.

Please pass these addresses on to any UK university SF groups you know:
To contribute to the list, mail <nssfa@uk.ac.ox.robots>
Subscribe/unsubscribe requests to <nssfa-request@uk.ac.ox.robots>
Problems to <nssfa-request@uk.ac.ox.robots>

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: kimi@newsance.att.com (Kimiye Tipton;ball of confusion)
Subject: Re: Fan E-Mail Database
Organization: AT&T IMS, Maitland, FL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:58:08 GMT

In article <12320@jjmhome.UUCP> lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann) writes:
>Fan E-Mail Database
> 
>This fannish database is being compiled by John Lorentz.  Please send
>additions, corrections or deletions to 74007.3342@compuserve.com.  I

>Kimiye Tipton                        kimi@ablnc.att.com

Aaaccck!  This machine has been gone for over a year!  Please correct to

Kimiye Tipton                        kimi@kokomo.att.com
                                     kimi@newsance.att.com

I will send the correction to John as well.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox)
Subject: Looking for Past Indiana University SF Club folk
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:06:28 GMT

Attention Past Members of the Indiana University Science Fiction Club:

   The club is closing in on its 20th anniversary, and on Saturday Oct. 24th 
we'll be holding the IUSFC 20th anniversary Costume Party.  (Indiana Memorial
Union, Bryan and Union Board Room ca. 7:30 to 11:00 PM.  Dinner afterward, as
usual. Bring munchies, and mathoms for the prize table.)

Live too far away to come?
Too busy to make it?
Afraid someone will find out you used to be a member?

Well, email me at address below and leave an inspiring, insulting, nostalic message for the club and we'll post it at the party.

Never been a member of the IUSFC, but you wanna come anyway?  

Great!  No charge.  Just wear a costume and bring munchies.   Email me for more
information.


The IUSFC--20 years of Creative Wierdity.  (Wierdos Welcome)

  LRFOX

lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

(Reports of the club's death are not just greatly exaggerated--they're outright
lies!!!!)


Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: rcharbon@athena.mit.edu (Ray Charbonneau)
Subject: '89 Noreascon Memory Book
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:37:58 GMT

I still haven't received the Memory Book for Noreascon '89 that I've heard about.
 Has anyone gotten them?  Can someone say why my wife and I haven't?

-- 
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rcharbon@athena.mit.edu      |             -- me
MIT and the Library Systems Office are glad that I'm posting my opinions
here so that they don't have to listen to them anymore.
From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: ICon Memories
Date: 8 Oct 1992 10:58:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, another ICon (Iowa Science Fiction Convention; don't be fooled by or
accept cheap imitations, this con's in its seventeenth year) has come and
gone.  My impressions:

The hotel was TOO DARNED HOT AND STEAMY!  I know it wasn't the concom's
fault, but the unusually warm weather for early October, as well as the
hotel's anal attitude toward heat (as in NO air conditioning allowed after
September 30) made my room a sweat bath, and the hotel in general much
warmer than I thought necessary, thanks to the pool being out in the main
indoor concourse.

Misty Lackey could have made herself more available to con-members, as in
by just circulating around the con.  Look, I've found myself in
conversation with L. Sprague de Camp and his wife just wandering around a
con, and they are (IMHO) rather bigger names in the field than Misty is. 
If she didn't feel up to it, OK, but it was kind of annoying.  The one time
I did see her wandering about, she was conducting some sort of Dark Horde
Reunion with her friends from SCA.  All well and good, but why couldn't she
have tried to be more available to _all_ con members?  If she wanted to get
together with her Horde siblings, she could probably easily swing a trip to
Pennsic, if there aren't Hordesmen in OK.

The huxters and art were nice, but nothing new.  I think I need to get to
some cons out of my usual area (Iowa, Omaha, and MiniCon) to see some new
huxters and artists.

The crowd attending was pretty good people, I thought.  At least the
invasion of the fraternity dweebs from hell was averted.  Apparently they
had a big problem with that one year at MiniCon, which is why the
at-the-door price has gone up so very high.

All in all, a routine, rather nice ICon.
-- 
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and BEAR arms..." means EXACTLY what it says!
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From: gpatton@infopls.chi.il.us (Gavin Patton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Addresses...
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 16:50:14 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

cvoid@spud.kludge.com (Christian Void) writes:

> Anyone know the addresses (USnail) for publishing companies and/or 
> magazines currently looking for short SciFi? Also any suggestions and to 
> publishing companies that buy SciFi material for publication, Etc.
>  

Check your local bookshop for a copy of Science Fiction Chronicle -- they 
have the most recent addresses, info, etc. for the SF markets.  Keep an 
eye on Pulphouse's new magazine "Tomorrow".  Algis Budrys is supposed to 
be the editor.  This mag will be taking the place of Pulphouse's regular 
magazine for a while -- they're publishing, but Pulphouse isn't taking 
submissions for their regular magazine until Sept. 93 -- too swamped.  
Send to "Tomorrow" instead.
Other than that, invest in a copy of Writers' Market.  I've got mine 
right here!
 
If you're looking for a fun place to get some good practice, 
collaboration, and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, you might try the Galactic 
League.  We're in the Chicago area.  We're an up-and-coming SF shared 
universe club with a top-notch small press 'zine of our own.  If you're 
going to be at Windycon, Capricon, or Duckon, you'll see us there!

----------------------------- Gavin
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
RBF Industries
POB 4951
Naperville, IL 60567-4951
Home of the Galactic League

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: king_p@fog.cs.odu.edu (Paul King)
Subject: Evecon/larp?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:55:50 GMT


 Sorry If I've asked this two or three times but our news
has been flakey of late.

  Does anyone know what Larps will be run at this years Evecon?
And Who do I contact regarding them?

    
    Thank you

      -Paul
From: Laurie Mann
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Fan E-Mail Database
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

Donald E. Eastlake, III writes
>In article <12320@jjmhome.UUCP> Laurie Mann, lmann@jjmhome.UUCP writes:
>>Fan E-Mail Database
>PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS LIST FOR BROADCASTING!
>
>A significant fraction of the people on this list have absolutely
>nothing to do with
>fandom and were obviously grabbed off of my person mailing list.  I
>guess I have been
>too generous in sending it to people.  I'll be sending an Email
>protest directly to John
>Lorentz.

The "significant fraction" you sent to me was about 8 addresses
of the 300+ addresses, or roughly 3%.

I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused anyone.  This list has  
appeared other networks over the last few months, with an eye
towards improving communications among fans.  Again, if there are errors
on it, please send E-mail to John and it will be corrected in
future editions.  Thanks.

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From: Laurie Mann
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: '89 Noreascon Memory Book
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:06:02 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

Ray Charbonneau writes
>I still haven't received the Memory Book for Noreascon '89 that I've heard  
about.
> Has anyone gotten them?  Can someone say why my wife and I haven't?

Roughly 4,500 of them have been distributed since last August.  I'm
sorry if you haven't.  Please E-mail me your home address and
I'll send you one.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: Donald E. Eastlake, III <dee@ranger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Fan E-Mail Database
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:48:24 GMT

In article <7163@transfer.stratus.com> Laurie Mann,  writes:
>Donald E. Eastlake, III writes
>>In article <12320@jjmhome.UUCP> Laurie Mann, lmann@jjmhome.UUCP
writes:
>>>Fan E-Mail Database
>>PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS LIST FOR BROADCASTING!
>>
>>A significant fraction of the people on this list have absolutely
>>nothing to do with
>>fandom and were obviously grabbed off of my person mailing list..
>
>The "significant fraction" you sent to me was about 8 addresses
>of the 300+ addresses, or roughly 3%.

The list I copied you on was the 8 entries I was convinced beyond any
reasonable doubt had been copied from my private mailing list and
were non-fannish.  There are many additional entries that I believe
fall into this category but for which I was not sure.  I am suspicious
of a lot more.  I'll compile a list of them and cc you on that also.

>I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused anyone.  This list
has  
>appeared other networks over the last few months, with an eye
>towards improving communications among fans.  Again, if there are
errors
>on it, please send E-mail to John and it will be corrected in
>future editions.  Thanks.

Well, I don't do much on other networks so I hadn't seen it or I would
have
protested then.  It's too bad the situation is worse than I thought and
these erroneously included list entries have been broadcast over many
networks.

>*  NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann  *

Donald

PS: By the way, how come your new software doesn't include a cross
reference
header to the article you are replying to making it a little harder to
keep the
thread straight?

PS:  Someone wanting to contact a miscellaneous fan on the Internet
will most of the time be much better served by reading the FAQs on
how to find E-mail addresses that are periodically posted to
net.answers, etc., than they will by this list.  However, I suppose
it's
useful in some cases.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Subject: AnLab and RAH(Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix")
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:45:54 GMT

In article <BvrMpz.78s@acsu.buffalo.edu>, riawelch@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mad City Blues) writes:
> In article <1av5jjINNlpd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole) writes...
>>Actually, John W Campbell was more than happy to get his hands on
>>as much fiction Heinlein was able to produce: he needed a steady
>>source to fill his magazine every month.
> 
> In Grumbles from the Grave, there is an interesting letter from Heinlein to
> Campbell dated September 6, 1941.  Heinlein offers to sell his future work at
> the rate of one cent a word under the name "Lyle Monroe," one and a quarter
> cent a word under the name "Caleb Saunders," and one and a half cents a word
> under the "Robert Heinlein" and "Anson McDonald" names.  

Once upon a time, the sociologist William Sims Bainbridge, author of
*Dimensions of Science Fiction*, decided to roll up his sleeves and
attempt a statistical analysis of "The Analytical Laboratory."  I
think it was published for *Analog's* 50th anniversary in 1980.

The AnLab, as readers know, is a poll established by John Campbell
where readers vote every month on the stories they liked best in the
issue.  The author of the top vote-getter got paid a bonus.  Drawing
meaningful conclusions is difficult, because while Campbell published
a scoring scale for the stories, he never said how many votes it was
based on, so you don't know anything about the errors... but I
digress.  You can look the article up if you want.

Prof. Bainbridge lumped all stories by a given author together, and
ranked all authors who had had ten or more stories published in
*Astounding* or *Analog*.  People with the highest scores were those
whose stuff had been most consistently popular with the readers,
regardless of era they were published, quantity of author's output, or
whatever.

The all-time, number one most popular writer of SF stories for
*Astoundalog*?  Robert A. Heinlein.  No surprise.

The runner-up, number two in popularity, was.... (the envelope
please)...









Anson McDonald.


(Bainbridge had kept RAH and AMcD separate for purposes of analysis, I
forget why.)  

If memory serves, the next few writers on the list were Asimov, Doc
Smith, Van Vogt, and (!) Pournelle.

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From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:46:28 EDT
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

In article <1992Oct14.174019.16878@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:

>A friend who grew up on the Gilbert Islands in the middle of the Pacific 
>says that the language of the Gilbertese is very ancient. He calls it 
>'Stone Age' but whether that is linguistically precise I don't know. 

Not only not precise but essentially meaningless.  No living language
is older than any other, as far as anyone can tell.  All of them are
developments of languages spoken long before there was any written
record; all of them are living, changing, essentially *new* things.

-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: xoanon@triton.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:08:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: rec

digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran) writes:

>I would love to see the "Ellenium" series by David Eddings(sp) put to the
>playscreen.  It's your basic fantasy adventure mix in with lots of humor.

And lots of gore. That's a point in favor of it selling but against it
making a good movie. And it's _bloody long_! It would take a movie the
length of _Dances With Wolves_ to do justice to each one of the books.
(I'm not even going to respond to the person who suggested the _Bel-
gariad_ as a series of films!) I have to admit, though, it would be
great to see a well-done screen version of any Eddings Epic Fantasy
Megaseries (tm).
From: damm@diku.dk (Kristian Damm Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: tolkien ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:16:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

"milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com> writes:

>JK>Does anybody know of a newsgroup concerning J R R Tolkien, his life and work?
>JK>I would like a discussion on both his "professional" and "leisure" books.
>JK>If no group is dedicated to Tolkien, could we start a discussion here?

>I'm afraid there's probably no news group.  Don't see why though, he is very
>popular (or at least was, I have been out of touch for some time now).  I
>*have* tried to find a newsgroup, but to no avail.  There are however
>Tolkien-oriented lists:  Tolklang (everything from Quenya to his uses of Old
>English), and Tolkien.  Since I'm unable to subscribe to lists, I can't tell
>you what they're about, but there's a monthly or bi-monthly posting in some
>of the rec.arts.sf* conferences which includes more information.

I believe the story went something like this:

The Tolkien mailing list was started about a year before The Big
Split. This drained the original rec.arts.sf.lovers of Tolkien-related
postings, so when the split arrived, very few could see the need for a
special tolkien group.

Also in general people was opposed to special-groups like Heinlein or
Tolkien.

-- 
Kristian Damm Jensen (damm@diku.dk)
"Life is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it"
- Tom Lehrer
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