From: linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Don't tell the Anti-Hunters
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:56:03 GMT
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In article <Bvs2J6.2FB@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>In article <BvpwFz.4ox@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>rl> Be that as it may, do you consider the statement, "Thou shalt not
>rl> suffer a witch to live", to be equally valid as the statement:
>rl> "Government should make no laws restricting private exercise
>rl> of religion, be it christianity or witchcraft."  Bear in mind that
>rl> Linan's "god" made the first statement, whereas the second is
>rl> a paraphrase of something written by Thomas Jefferson.
>
>From article <1av4ccINNsrs@agate.berkeley.edu>, by linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan):
>ml> Wow.  Thomas Jerfferson.  Now there's someone we all should worship and
>ml> base our lives on.

>Personally, I'm not interested in finding someone to "worship", but
>I am deeply interested in the foundation of Jefferson's philosophy.
>Would you be more inclined to respect Jefferson's ideas if he had
>claimed that they were the dictates of a deity?  


It's obvious the only thing you worship is the almighty empirical fact.


>Who do you think truly wrote the phrase: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch 
>to live."


I have not read the verse so I cannot say.  It is true that the Bible was
written by mortals but they were told directly by God or Jesus what to 
write.  This is for you to believe or disbelieve.  Your choice.


>Mary Otto wrote:
>mo> Russell uses a set of tactics to wage verbal warfare over the net.
>mo> Currently, he is hunting hunters.  He sets traps.  He tosses little
>mo> bombs (loaded questions).  He impales his victims on sharp insults,
>mo> pointed remarks, and the razor edge of inuendo.  He is vicious.
>mo> He searches for a weakness, a mistake, and pounces.  He wears down
>mo> his quarry until they are driven over the cliff in exhaustion and
>mo> are forced into oblivion...
>mo> And there is no worse fate for him than what Todd said about nobody 
>mo> taking him seriously anymore...

>rl> Are you trying to insult me?  Are you making pointed remarks?  Are
>rl> you vicious?  Are you trying to wear me down?  Are you trying to
>rl> eliminate me from the discussion?   

>ml> Exactly how old are you Russell?  Sometimes you act like an 
>ml> elementry school bully.  If you want to be taken seriously I 
>ml> suggest you start by being honest and stop with the snide remarks 
>ml> and dishonest tactics.  

>I'm still trying to understand your penchant for name-calling, Mike.


Can you point out where I called you any names in the above paragraph
Russell?  What are names for?  They are labels.  You fancy yourself as
an intellect.  If that was what I labelled you, I doubt you would be 
complaining.  If I were to call you a fool, that would be my opinion
and that is what the word if for.  If the shoe fits, wear it!


>Which person is truly more immature: the man who labels his 
>opponents as "idiots" and "fools" while claiming that "god" is on 
>his side?  Or the man who's trying very hard to understand such 
>behavior?  

 
Oh boy.  Now Russell wants to start a battle of maturity.  No battel will
ensue Russell.  I'll just call them the way I see them and you can do the
same.  Perhaps you might choose to reflect on you behavior over the past
few months and ask yourself why so many people have a problem with your
"style" and integrity.  Can we all be wrong and you right?  I can't help
but thing there might be something there that you should examine critically.


>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000


Mike Linan












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