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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Slick Willie and the Rapists
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:07:40 GMT

In article <CB.92Aug26140214@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
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>From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
>Subject: Re: Slick Willie and the Rapists
>Message-ID: <CB.92Aug26140214@tamarack13.timbuk>
>In-reply-to: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu's message of Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:48:20 GMT
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>References: <1992Aug25.232653.4960@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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>Date: 26 Aug 92 14:02:17 CDT
>David Veal writes:
>
>   Between this and the constant predictions that George Bush will attack
>   Iraq again solely to boost his campaign, I have never seen anybody blasted
>   more often based on what people *predict* will do.
>
>Now why in the WORLD would anyone expect George to do such things?

     That's not the point.  People this election year have been making
up situations, postulating Bush's response, and the blasting him for
making that response.

     At least let the man screw up before you blast away at him.

>Chris Brewster
>cb@cray.com

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|David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  University of Tennessee             |  
|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
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From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:37:18 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <2A9D8468.5765@orion.oac.uci.edu>, cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu
(Carl Edman) writes:

> (... Senator
>Robert "Pork" Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia and ex-Senate majority leader
and 
>currently chairman of the Senate appropriations comittee used to be a KKK  
>Wizard).
>

eh?
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From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:33:37 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <64780@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>... the cop had used excessive force in the past ..
>
>No sir, the article I saw in the Chronicle said that the oficer
>(his name was Chew, so that makes him an Asian-American officer
>defending an Asian-American family against a Caucasian goofball)
>had been shot 3 times by a mugger the year before. If somebody
>lunges at you with a machete, and you are armed with nothing
>but a handgun, what do you do?
>
i have heard now from multiple sources that Chew had indeed been shot
and nearly killed, but had also been accused several times of police
brutality before and after that incident.  the papers failed to mention
the latter.

the point is, what was he doing in there with nothing but a gun?  the police
in the bay area certainly have excessive experience with the use of
tear gas, shields, clubs.  why didn't Chew have any -- or did he?  since
when has it been standard police procedure to just charge in, Hollywood-
style?

dave
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From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:02:10 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.politics.misc, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>>cost to build a mile of urban highway:          $100 million;
>>cost to build a mile of light rail mass transit:$ 15 million;
>Oh yeah?  And how much to purchase the right-of-way??  And the cost of
>running the railroad?  Etc.

right-of-way must also be purchased for the highway.  Think about
how much the average person spends on gas, tires, oil, maintenance,
initial purchase, insurance, and parking.  Just in terms of aesthics,
it seems ridicules that a 150 pound person should drag 3000 pounds
of metal to work and back, everyday.
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From: romeu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jorgeluis Romeu)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: CUBA: World Assoc of Community Radios: End U.S. Blockade
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:42:50 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <65174@cup.portal.com> atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:
>>Boy this political correct stuff is hard to follow. A few weeks ago
>>Harel was telling us it was an emargo. Now it's back to being a
>>blockade.
>>
>>  Allen
>>
>>-- 
>>+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>| Allen W. Sherzer | "If they can put a man on the Moon, why can't they     |
>>|  aws@iti.org     |  put a man on the Moon?"                               |
>>+----------------------233 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX----------------------+
>
>I'm having an even tougher time.
>
>When trade with Cuba is blocked, that is cause for whining.  When trade
>with Mexico is allowed, that too is cause for whining.  When 2 + 2 = 5,
>we will be in Harel's Utopia.
>
>
>    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
>---------------------------+----------------------------------------
>  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information

 Im having the toughest time.  
	10 years ago, the embargo was a yanki imperialist attempt at
destroying the revolution that would never succed and would only 
strenghthen the resolve of the Cuban people to fight against it.
Now (without soviet support) it is the cause of all of Cubas ailments 
and should be lifted.  
	Cant Fidel make up his mind?   

JRB
From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Jordanian Journalists Denied Visas to Attend Schiller Institute Conference in U.S.
Date: 28 Aug 92 7:28:32 GMT
Organization: Covici Computer Systems

   EIRNS PRESS RELEASE For More Information Contact Suzanne
Rose 703 771 8390 

               JORDANIAN JOURNALISTS DENIED VISAS
      TO ATTEND SCHILLER INSTITUTE CONFERENCE IN THE U.S.

August 25 (EIRNS)--Two Jordanian journalists, Fuad Hussein and
Samih Haddad, have been denied visas by the U.S. Embassy in
Amman, Jordan, to attend the annual Labor Day conference of the
Schiller Institute in the United States, according to Suzanne
Rose, a spokesman for the Institute. 
   ``We believe that the intention of the Embassy in denying
the visas is to prevent these journalists from attending this
conference and reporting back to Jordan the widespread opposition
to the continuing U.S. policies towards Iraq. The Jordanian
people, who have also not supported U.S. war aims, would learn of
a movement inside the United States associated with jailed
political leader and economist Lyndon LaRouche, which is for
helping to build the economies of the middle east, not destroying
them through embargos and warfare. The Schiller Institute has
been in the forefront of opposition to the war against Iraq, and
sponsored a ``Committee to Save the Iraqi Children'' from the
effects of the embargo. 
   The two journalists approached the embassy for visas last
week. At that time they presented full documentation of their
employment, family ties, and intention to remain in the U.S. only
for the conference, as well as an invitation to the conference
from the U.S.  They were told they needed more information about
how their expenses would be covered during their stay. A second
invitation was provided. They were refused a second time and told
that they lacked sufficient documentation of strong family,
social and economic ties to their place of residence in Jordan.
Both mem are employed as journalists and have families in Jordan.
Mr. Hussein has had a visa to the U.S. in the past. 
   The Institute and its supporters will be contacting the
appropriate authorities in the U.S. to demand that this injustice
be rectified, and that these journalists be permitted to exercise
First Amendment rights by attending the conference and reporting
back to their countrymen. 
 
                           -30- 


----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:55 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA action materials and news
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500303:cdp:1296500314:000:625
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 27 18:55:00 1992


Monday, Aug. 24, I also talked with Rakiya Omaar, a Somalian who is
Executive Director of Africa Watch.  She is strongly of the opinion that
public pressure is necessary to force UN action.  She says Doctor
Boutros Ghali is good, but the rest of the Security Council acts when
"embarrassing articles are written about them in the media."

Incidentally, in my preceding post, the sentence should read, "

I asked Leah if she felt that goverment officials respond to the Somalian
crisis when there is public pressure and slack off when public attention
dies down, and she said, it seems to be that way."
See next post, please.
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:24:40 GMT
 <adams.715369517@spssig> <Btwzr8.Jwq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <Btwzr8.Jwq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(Blue Rage) says:
>
>In article <adams.715369517@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>
>>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>        Uh, no.  Not white.  But dead.
>
>        Y'oughta reconsider the little pictures they show you in your
>white oriented Sunday school books, no?
>
     Huh?  You have me confused... Are you saying Jesus was black, or what
exactly?  I'm the furthest thing from a religious studies major, but I thought
Jesus was Jewish..?

Brett
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:18 PDT
Subject: Re: LaRouche on Pirot Withdrawl
Nf-ID: #R:100-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.co:1710584814:cdp:1296500309:000:131
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Aug 25 21:18:00 1992



For a lengthy background report on LaRouche as a fascist see the topic
with the same name later in this conference.

-Chip Berlet

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From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 17:33 EDT  

In article <adams.715369517@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes...
>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> 
>>POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: What it really means. 
>"War is peace.  Freedom is Slavery.  Ignorance is Strength."
> 
>This is exactly the kind of double-speak that is called political
>correctness.

>>Political Correctness (PC) is the Big Lie campaign. If you are  
>>against racism, abortion clinic bombings, union-busting and  
>>imperialist war--then maybe you're just too "politically correct"  
>>and a dangerous enemy of the state. As ludicrous as it may sign,  
>>given the present climate of right-wing triumphalism and  
>>some "liberal" collaboration, George Bush railed against a  
>>"notion of political correctness" in a speech he gave at the  
>>University of Michigan in May, a year ago, and accused the left  
>>of conductiong an "inquisition," "censorship" and bullying." He  
>>gave the presidential seal of approval to the race-haters and  
>>like the Willie Horton propaganda smear campaign, he started this  
>>witchhunt against this new bogeyman, "political correctness." 

>Not at all.  What is being called "political correctness" is more
>comparable to McCartheyism than anything else.  It is labeling and
>targeting those who disagree with you as racist, even when they are not.
>The fascist left (yes, fascist) is busy trying to FORCE newthink on people
>by decrying any difference in opinion as misogyny, racism, sexism, etc,
>etc.
> 

[Stuff deleted]
> 
>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jesus was NOT white!!!!!!

[More stuff deleted]
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
Organization: NASA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:39:32 GMT

Mr. Magic writes
> 'cuse me asking but would somebody enlighten the people (well, me at least) 
> on this side of the ocean what CAFE is?  Cars and Fuel Efficiency?

  CAFE stands for "Corporate Average Fuel Economy," the average EPA-estimated  
gas mileage of all cars made by a manufacturer in a given year.  Currently, the  
requirement is 27 m.p.g.; some would have that increased to 40 m.p.g.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.115916.18314@u.washington.edu> diviney@milton.u.washington.edu (Pat Diviney) writes:
>Seems to be a lot of quibbling over a number.  This, to me, seems as 
>meaningless (the number that Bush specified, that is) as another number
>tossed off by a politician of an earlier era and I quote: "I have here in my
>hand a list of 205 that were known to the Secretary of State as being 
>members of the Communist Party."  

Actually, the Republicans did provide a list -- and some of it's pretty
silly.  For example, Arkansas, over a twelve year period with total
inflation of something like a hundred percent, raised the
driver's license fee *FIVE DOLLARS*!  That madman!  Also, a tax increase
on alcohol was counted four times -- once for beer, once for wine, once
for wine coolers, and once for hard liquor.  (Somehow, the Repubs forgot
to list the ninety or so times, by the same count, that Arkansas lowered
"taxes."  Oops.)  Arkansas ranks something like 47th in ratio of
taxes to income.  Certainly much better than a lot of the Republican
governors criticizing Clinton.
-- 
           .........................................................
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth
Subject: RESOURCE: "Trade & the Environment"
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:40:12 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

[Via misc.activism.progressive from PeaceNet's trade.strategy]
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Topic 48        EGA/CGBD Trade Briefing Packet 
mstein  Discussion of trade-related topics.      3:02 pm  Sep  1, 1992 
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From: Michael Stein <mstein> 
Subject: EGA/CGBD Trade Briefing Packet 

/* Written  9:58 am  Aug 26, 1992 by econet in cdp:en.announcemen */ 
/* ---------- "EGA/CGBD Trade Briefing Packet" ---------- */ 
The Environmental Grantmakers Association (EGA) and the Consultative Group 
on Biological Diversity (CGBD) have recently published "A Guide to Trade and 
Environment."  Written by Thomas Wathen, an environmental Program Officer at 
the Pew Charitable Trusts, it demystifies the complex nexus between trade 
and the environment.  A chronology of both the GATT and NAFTA proceedings, 
and a directory of NGO's working in this area are included. 

Anyone seeking a readable and informative introduction to this issue will 
find "A Guide to Trade and the Environment" an excellent primer. 

Copies are available from the Environmental Grantmakers Association (EGA), 
1290 Avenue of the Americas, Suite 3450 New York, NY  10104 for $7.50 each, 
or $5.00 each when ordering three or more copies. 

Other EGA publications include "Population and Envrionment: A Grantmakers 
Guide" ($7.50 each or $5.00 each when ordering three or more); 
"Reauthorization of Selected Congressional Environmental Legislation" ($3.00 
each); and the 1992 EGA Directory ($15.00 each-- available in mid-September). 

(ref.: ega Tue Aug 25 20:57:44 1992) 
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:25:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.activism

In alt.activism, NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org> writes:

> The major academic work on Liberty Lobby by Mintz, for example,
> discusses at great length the fascist tendencies of the group and the role
> it plays in bridging the neo-Nazi right and the reactionary right. 

Would you mind sharing the specifics with us?

>   Please read Hannah Arendt on "The Origins of Totalitarianism" 

No time. Would you mind sharing the specifics with us?

> fascism in Italy and Germnany attacked the regimes in power as corrupt, 
> and promised to represent the average person against the elites.

Liberty Lobby's "Spotlight" does this also. I don't understand how blowing
the whistle on corruption and representing the average person against the 
elites is fascist. For example, the "Spotlight" was one of the first 
publications to alert readers to the Savings and Loan scandal. How can that
be bad? Furthermore, Democrats and presidential candidates say
they'll represent the average person against the elites. Are they fascist
too? I don't think so. There might be a fascist under your bed though. Look
out! ;-)

>   I will post a lengthier discussion I co-wrote on LaRouche in a new
> topic.

Please do.

> George Seldes, author of "Sawdust Caesar," first biography of Il Dulce:
> "This guy LaRouche is pushing the same line as the Italian Fascists, it's
> Italian Fascist Economic theory...anyone can see that."
>    (Interview with Seldes at age 96 at his home in Vermont, 1986)

I'd like to learn more about it.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:56:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.141932.20456@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>
>> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>
>> >Supply side economics?
>> 
>> 	"We reduced tax rates and we increased the tax base. ..
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> We've reduced tax rates and strengthened enforcement, and now we are
>> getting more revenue out of lower tax rates."
>> 	-President Carlos Salinas, of Mexico
>> 	quoted in Forbes magazine, Aug 17, 1992
>> 
>> The top tax rate was reduced from 60% to 35%. The capital gains tax rate
>> in Mexico is currently zero.
>> 
>> More revenues out of lower tax rates?  Yes, it happens. Believe it.
>
>"and we increased the tax base".

Yes, the tax base was increased because there was greater economic growth and
less tax avoidance.  *Not* because any taxes were added.

---
Pat
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: BUSH: The "Energy President" (I)
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:34:50 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>In article <adams.715381228@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>>>Change in federal funding for mass transit 
>>>        from 1981 to 1989:                      -50% <=========== 

>>>Reduction in Department of Energy budget for 
>>>        renewable energy between 1981 and 1989: 90%  <========== 

>>Too bad this wasn't true acoross the board...the budge would be well in
>>balance and taxes much lower.

>Presumably including your favorite government programs.

Yep.  All of them.  Until we get the budget in balance.

>	No more road building, no more airports, no more law
>enforcement, no more military, no more entitlements, ...

I'll be more than happy to trade equal percentage reductions in law
enforcement, military, etc for similar reductions in entitlements.
I bet we can eliminate $100 billion from the military.  That's almost 50%.
Ready to give equal amounts in entitlements?

>>Oh yeah?  And how much to purchase the right-of-way??  And the cost of
>>running the railroad?  Etc.

>	And let us not forget about the cost of buying and maintaining
>a car, paying for gasoline and insurance, and medical care resulting
>from accidents...

My point here was that without backup, these figures could easily be
cooked.

>	Personally, I like reading on a train, although I'll admit
>that buses aren't so hot.
I take the train and bus to work everyday.   I support public
transportation, but dispute the validity of harel-autopost-barzlai's
figures.  He's been know to post 'creative' figures before.

 -Steve
--
 The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                        -------------------
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