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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: 10 reasons to dump Jake Pickle
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:20:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com writes:

>>>curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:

>>9.  CAGW gave him an 15% score for 1992, 24% lifetime.  This means that
>> 	in the opinion of Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW,) he
>>	votes to waste your money 76% of the time.
>>	Call Citizens Against Government Waste - 1(800)872-3328

>Yes, and we've seen some of the things they've classified as 'waste'
>votes.  I can't say I agree with the agenda THEY are using to decide
>which votes are a waste of money, either.

Specifically what Fred?  
What is it that that CAGW thinks is wasteful that you don't?
What percentage of the time do you disagree with them?
Have you ever even called them or read anything they wrote at all?
I seriously doubt it because if you did you wouldn't be such a flaming
liberal Democrat who votes the party line regardless of the facts.

You are a far bigger knee jerk liberal than even Haugh is a knee
jerk conservative.

>>10. By virtue of the fact that Spiro signed the LorL pledge, he will have
>>	to do better than Pickle has done on his voting.

>Reason 10 is reason 1 repeated?  And how much do you want to bet that
>he DOESN'T have to do any better than Pickle?  Hell, ALL politicians
>promise things and then later turn those pledges into lies.  Why would
>the case of Spiro and the LorL pledge be any different?

Because if he didn't work hard to reduce the deficit then 4 years from
now his challenger would be able to publicly call him a liar and the
liberal media would join in on him and pound him mercilessly in the
ground.


But it's all a moot point now anyway since Pickle won with 69% of
the vote.  Power of incumbency.  Free mailings.  Name recognition.
It's a damn tough combo to beat.  Certainly a genuine interest in 
solving our nations problems isn't worth a damn in this town.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: Protectionism and Japan
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: usa,tx
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.144142.26197@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> In <Bx8BoE.Bx@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:
> >Well, there's "costs" and there are "costs".  It's amazing that Japanese
> >companies are able to produce lower-cost products, even if the factories
> >are in the US and use US workers.  More than often "below cost" means
> >"below the costs of what the US companies estimates the costs are".
> 
> I'm curious.  Do you have examples of this other than the automobile
> industry (which I am convinced is run by congenital idiots in this
> country)? 
 
The entire system is designed to maximize the revenues of (incompetent)
US companies at the expense of foreign companies and more importanly US
consumers.  I just started reading "Fair Trade Fraud" (by Bovard.  I
recommend it highly) and the situation is really shocking.  I think 
even well informed people will be surprised to the extent that US
government interferes in trade.  Did you know there are almost 9,000
tariffs for all sorts of products?  This doesn't included hundreds of
"voluntary" and involuntary quota programs and "anti-dumping" penalties.
 
One estimate puts the price of tariffs and quotas at around $1,500/
family/year.  The standard response is "It costs consumers more, but
it protects US business and jobs"?  It's clear that what it does is
protect some companies at the expense of others.  For example, the
extremely high price of sugar protects sugar workers, but it makes every
US food company less competitive.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000)
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 18:44:01 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org) wrote:
: I was told not to pray over my lunch in the lunchroom.  And while I am
: adult enough to admit I control my own habits, that was when I stopped
: regularly saying grace.

Well I'm really sorry about that.  You should have done it anyway.

: Considering it was still going on in Plano just 4 years ago, I'd say it
: has plenty to do with Austin schools.

What does Plano have to do with Austin schools?

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:56:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: Check the statistics.  There is sufficient correlation to assume that
: a much larger percentage of those who fail high school will become
: criminals than of those who don't fail high school.

If you have such statistics, please present them.

: Pardon me, but I'm not a socialist.  Do you deny being a libertarian?

I'm not a memeber of the Libertarian party.  You seem to use Libertarian
and libertarian interchangeably, so in order to answer this question, I 
have to know what you mean by "libertarian".

: >I believe JFH has already answered this question :-)
: 
: Ok, who pays the M.E.?

Why do you need an M.E.?  The guy died of a gunshot wound.  You don't need an
M.E. to figure that out.

: >I can't think of anything a professional athlete does that requires anything
: >that is taught in high school.
:
: But a lot of dealing with his job DOES.

Such as?

: Besides, the statement was
: about 'effective morons'.  If they were morons, they couldn't have
: gotten to where they were (becuase most of them are college graduates)

But do they need to be, or have they basically wasted a lot of time to play
your little education games?

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    "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" -- TMBG   "I Palindrome I"
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:14:49 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

>>And j ust what do you want to do when they start burglerizing John
>>Haugh's house?  Oh, that's right -- he didn't pay for police services,
>>so we won't do anything.  :-)

I once read about an entrepreneur in ancient Rome they called the Fire
Chief.  He had his own private fire department. When a house caught
fire he would go and make a lowball offer to the owner. If the owner
accepted he put out the fire. If not he let it burn.  I suspect there
was some  room for haggling over price, since the Fire Chief would
want to have the house he bought in as good shape as possible afterwards.
The art of holding out would have been a matter of meticulous timing.
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: CSPAN Voter Manipulation
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:17:40 GMT

In article <21818@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> There is no recession.  Honest.  If we had 7.5% unemployment and
> we were in Europe, everyone in Europe would be pissed as hell at
> us.
 
That's one reason Bush lost.  He continued to parrot the line that there
was no recession (true), and made it clear he didn't understand the
problem people are having.  There's no recession, but there is no recovery
either.  In the past almost all jobs lost in recessions were gained back
in the first 16 months of the recovery.  This time, only 15% of the jobs
have been recovered.  
 
> If I had a nickel for every news magazine article that was favorable
> of Clinton and completely ignored the environmental and economic
> damage he did to Arkansas I could probably buy a new UNIX book or two.
 
What economic damage did he do to Arkansas?  
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:17:02 GMT

In article <21823@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>It is frightening to think that students and faculty in Moscow
>schools now have MORE religious freedom than students and faculty
>in Austin schools.

	That's frightening for the Russians, IMO. To think of the
folk abusing religion for power, misusing morality, etc. harkens
back to the Dark Ages, or the 50's, at least. (-:

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: Bush starts unpatriotic trade war.
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.144827.1518@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> So the guy who kills mice is "the pot calling the kettle black" when
> he complains about someone committing murder?  This is about the
> relationship between our tariff picture and trade barriers when
> compared to most developed nations.
 
That's the common wisdom (in the US) but I'm not sure the facts support it.
Do you have any information to support that? 
 
> Hey, just think of it as the free market in action.  The guy who has
> the most economic power makes the rules.  This IS free markets in
> action, just on a macro scale.
 
That's mercantilism Fred, not capitalism.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: CHOICE: DEBATE BASED ON COMPETING PHILOSOPHIES
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:47:03 GMT

In <7718@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.030946.16602@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>[in response to my contention that vouchers would help poor as well as
>better-off families]
>>This doesn't work, for reasons we've gone over and over in this group.
>>Is there really any point in going over them again?

>Not unless you can make better arguments than you did last time. The poor
>would make a good market, but you simply reuse to recognize that.

In other words, we disagree about how the market would handle this.  I
knew that, Jay.  You could just as well say that we know that the poor
would be worse served by this mechanism than the middle and upper
classes and that YOU simply refuse to recognize that.  That's why I
said there's no point to the discussion.  You can't 'prove' your
arguments, either.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000)
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:01:44 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Joe Mullally (rocky@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
: >A-theism:  without theism
: 
: 	Theism: belief in the existance of God or gods.

Right.  Do you see the difference between "without belief in the existence 
of gods" and "belief in the non-existence of gods"?

--
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        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
    "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" -- TMBG   "I Palindrome I"
From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: SCIENCE IN; GYM, SOCIAL STUDIES OUT
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:53:27 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin
       =====  GOAL THREE:  CORE COURSE PROFICIENCY  =====

*1   BALTO. PROPOSAL:  SCIENCE IN; GYM, SOCIAL STUDIES OUT
     The Baltimore County Board of Ed today will consider a
proposal that would require H.S. students to take more science
courses, but fewer social studies and gym classes (Maushard,
Balto. SUN).  School officials said that under the proposal,
Baltimore County would meet state requirements and offer students
more choice, writes the SUN.
     Donald Mohler, past president of the Secondary School
Administrators' Association and a supporter of the plan:  "In a
complicated time, youngsters need more options, not fewer
options."  He also said the plan would force teachers and
departments to make their classes more appealing to students.
     But opponents argue that reducing gym class requirements
would cause students to become sedentary and also reduce the
number of coaches available for team sports, according to the
SUN.  "Are we allowing kids to choose the proper things?  A
youngster needs a period a day to go out and get rid of some of
his energy," said Towson H.S. Principal Louis Sergi.  And
reducing social studies requirements would "produce less-informed
young people," some say.
     The Board of Ed will hold a public hearing at Perry Hall
H.S. tonight and make a final decision Dec. 3 (11/11).

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 00:53:16 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

David L. Cathey (davidc@montagar.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov03.235337.19715@watson.ibm.com>, johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000) writes:
: > 1.  You have every right to not have a high-paying job.
: 
: 	Agreed...  But you should be able to make enough to survive on.

If you don't, then you don't survive.  Or you depend on the kindness of
others.  That's your choice.

: 	No, but once you're at a disadvantage to those around you, the window
: is harder to open.

Life is full of choices.  Some are harder than others.  You should still have
the choice.

: 	Gee, too bad.  If I want to get a paycheck, I might have to do a little
: grunt work.

School is not a job.  Unless you're proposing that students get paid for going
to school.

: Life is full of trade offs. If anything else, they might as
: well learn that.

What they learn is that people like you think they know better how to run their
lives.

: You don't seem concerned they learn anything else.

People who want to learn will learn.

: And
: if you would forget your moronic "Maybe they don't want high paying jobs!"
: bullshit, you would realize that's why they want to be football stars in
: the first place.

Fine.  It's their lives--their choice.  What business is it of yours?  If you
don't want to pay to bail them out, then fight against that instead of
dictating what people do for a living.

: 	The system is rigged, but the wrong way!  We reward people, some of
: whom may be effectively morons, with MILLIONS of dollars a year, just because
: they can catch a ball and run.

As long as other morons are willing to pay $30 to $100 to WATCH these morons
catch a ball and run, this will continue.  If I could catch a ball and run that
well, I would do the same.

: 	And another part of your statement is laden with inaccuracies:
: "The only way to pursue a career in professional sports is through the
: academic high schools and colleges."  I say "Wrong", as the only sports
: where this is even marginally true is Football and Basketball.

Well then help me fix the problem with football and basketball then, instead
of compounding the problem.

: 	And again here.  It is not my desire for them to "excel" as you
: put it.  Again you with go with your idiotic assumption that I insist they
: become Nobel Prize winners or something.  I have emphasised that I just think
: they should *PASS THE CLASS*.  That means not getting an "F".  It does not
: mean they are required to get an "A".

Why?  What's it to you?

--
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"When you're following an angel, does it mean you have to throw your body off a 
 building?" -- TMBG
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Gore's environmental ideas
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:03:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Nov5.162544.5614@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:

>mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>In <4720@d75.UUCP> curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch/131072) writes:

>>>What scares me about Senator Gore is his consistent leaning in the
>>>direction of regulation (i.e. fleet eff. standards) over market based
>>>incentives (i.e. a carbon tax).  The Republicans usually lean toward
>>>the latter approach.  Gore's approach is much more damaging to the
>>>economy and much less effective at accomplishing its objectives.
>>>That's not just my opinion, it is a fact as proven as any in the
>>>science of economics .  Ask any economist.

>>If  Gore's approach was as you portray it, I would quite agree.
>>However, in the interests of correct information, Senator Gore has
>>spoken in favor of just such a carbon tax in SEVERAL nationally

>Right, ok.
>He's for EVERY TAX AND REGULATION EVER CONSIDERED.
>He's for Carbon Taxes.
>He's for CAFE standards.

>He's for every fucking thing.

>What will he really shoot for?  

>CAFE standards will be easier to get through Congress so he'll go for
>them.  Time will Tell.

And so we once again see the "I know he didn't say this, but this is
what *I* say he is for and I consider it bad, so he is bad.  Even
though he never said this, I know he'll do it." school of thought.

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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: High Gas Tax
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:01:00 GMT
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX

In article <PETONIC.92Nov5095651@daisy.hal.com>, petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
> I must confess that I don't know the CO2 statistics like you do, but
> what about the other pollutants?  You didn't offer any stats on
> them.  Why is L.A.'s smog condition so bad?  Why does California
> have special emissions?  Why do they not recommend idling your
> car with the rear-hatchback open?  CO, methane and other gasses abound,
> as well as solid pollutants.
 
It's pretty much the same.  There are volcanoes which regularly put
out more sulfur that all man-made sources.  Parts of Colorado are
naturally more radioactive than many scientists consider to be "safe".
CO and CH4 are both produced =naturally= in abundance.

California, particularly the LA area, has always had smog and haze.
There are records of the Spanish explorers encountering the area and
there being haze.  The Smokey Mountains are the same way.  They've
been the Smokey Mountains for longer than Al Gore's been alive.  They
will be the Smokey Mountains long after he's dead.

> If CO2 were the only thing that cars spit out that was bad, we'd be
> in good shape.  Unfortunately....

Sure.  They also spit out H2O, O2 ...

CO2 is NOT bad.  CO2 is plant food.  Plants need CO2 like animals
need O2.

> As for Gore being wrong, I'm not sure.  I think it's more of an opinion
> thing.  I'm not as conscientious as I could be, but I really don't consider
> the earth to be something that we can push to it's limits and then
> bounce back, once we found those limits.

But we've not even reached the limits.  Producing 4% of the global CO2
is NOT reaching the limit.

Look - you're children will NEVER know a blue sunset.  I remember when
the adage was "Red sky at night, sailors delight.  Red sky at morning,
sailors take warning."  Now it's "Red sky at night, period."  Man did
not do this.  In 100 years of the internal combustion engine, man did
not manage to do this.  Some volcano in the PI did it.  Termites are
making more CO2 than you and I.  Cow farts make more CH4 than you and I.
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