From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:35:42 GMT

mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>Dave Casper:
>>No Roy, I'm afraid you and your intolerance (provoking rage) at anyone who
>>questions your beliefs are more deserving of the fundie label.

>Dave:
>
>...
>time reading groups that don't interest me, do you?

At risk of being flamed, my psychic impression is that Dave has come here
for exactly the experiences he's going through here. He has to work out
this contentiousness thing, first he has to perceive it in himself - i.e.
it's an option, not a necessity. It's a thing he *can* make recourse to,
but is not compelled to - one you realize that you *can* kill your mother
if you need to, you begin to realize you've outgrown her. All you have to
do then is quit being mired in bitterness - not an easy thing by any means,
but it helps if you see you've gotten near the 50% mark.

I remain curious to know honestly from Dave if things I or Stacey have said,
have had any impact on Dave, if they reflect Dave's nature. I said in a later
post that Dave's Jupiter in Aries "gives him to be a snarling, aggressive cur",
coupled with Mars/Libra/1 - and that this is *okay*, it's a fine tool once
you see it that way - and own it, not it you. E.g. Dave has no problem being
accepted by us fellow humans *exactly as he is* because the way he is is
funny. Especially if Stacey or I have hit the mark, he must be *furious*:
"FUCK this shit. GodDAMN how dare it work." - etc. (very deep laughter)
Some of us have very hard heads - it takes a lot of pounding for things to
sink in (I should know) - reality isn't linear (after all) ooooo-eeeee-ooooo.
The ego can be a *desperate* pain in the ass. It *so* much wants to be right.

We've done two charts for Dave now. ROM has a heckler named "Scott Tai" who
is obnoxious beyond comparison with Dave - at least Dave exists and shares
things. I'm asking people to ignore Tai, to have him leave, or say "fine -
my name is _____ and I am this person X, how do you do." - here, I would
suggest not bothering with Dave if he doesn't give (honest) feedback for
what Stacey and/or I have said about him, because if he doesn't, he's being
willfully self-blind - what did we go through the effort for - I don't mind
a pest, who smiles, and contributes *something* to the quality of my life.
Maybe he responds below, I haven't gotten there yet.

>I did read Eric Dynamic's interpretation of your chart, and although I
>don't agree with his approach, I do agree with some of his comments.  I do
>think your mother has taken something from you, part of your soul, part of
>your inner child that was never listened to, part of your ability to
>belief in something greater than you can know with your mind.  You rely on
>what can be known by the rational mind and shut everything else out.  What
>a shame.  I hope you can break down some of those walls.  There's so much
>more to experience out there.  How boring to build such a small castle.

If he came here to get enough dissonance to be able to discard his former
belief system, maybe he did. Maybe he can think of it this way: the constraint
his mother imposed on him was a limit to what reality could offer him.
To remain in reaction to her says (a) he's always known she was wrong, (b)
he still believes she runs things. Dead or alive, she's not in control anymore,
and probably not within a few thousand miles of him either way - here's
hoping any further rage he absorbs from what's going on here is enough to
push him into himself and collapse. And Rest for a while before using his
freedom.

(I can't resist being cute, sorry:)
And learn to speak fluent French, get real well laid, and make his own mark
in the way he wants to. It's my belief that France and the French are a Libran
character, and that might suit Dave just fine. A real tough French woman just
might have Dave laughing at himself in about - however long it takes.

-ecsd
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