HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brad@cup.portal.com (Paul B Anders)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:15:17 GMT
  <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu>
  <1992Apr8.154104.7978@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

[Eric P. writes about getting overlap crashed in crits]

I used to be worried about this happening until I learned a simple 
rule: take all turns in a crit on the inside. When you hear some 
dork coming up beside you, saying "inside!", just don't let him by.
Move over if you have to, keep him back. If you are on the outside 
your fate is in the hands of others. 

Riding inside is much easier if you ride up front. It also puts you
in good position on the exit of the turn to move up.

Brad Anders
brad@cup.portal.com
Sunnyvale, CA
From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Keeping toes warm, was Re: Thanks to Bill and Ric
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:22:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr17.132213.11224
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

psuvm.psu.edu> BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu (Bryan Jones) writes:
>I guess you could try it with clipless - but you'd get that tape goo
>all over your shoes......
>Bryan

I did this the day I rode to Walden in 34 F weather.  It was my first ride
(longer ride) in near-freezing temperatures and half-way there I put
duct tape (now why was I carrying duct tape?) over the front of my
shoes mesh panels as well as over the air intakes on the bottom.
It worked well and it left this MAJOR UGLY gunk on my shoes later.
Howeve,r the gunk has mostly come off and I don't mind ugly shoes.

My problem was that while I was riding with Bill and Richard, I didn't
have any duct tape and my toes had no feeling.  I was also wearing wool socks
thicker than my usual socks, which may have cut off some circulation.
-Case
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Taxing bicycles? (note new subject heading)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:44:07 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:

$ I wondered when someone would point out that the paving of roads
$ began as a response to pressure from a vehicular special interest
$ group called

$ BICYCLISTS!!!!!!!!!!

Although I find this heartening, I don't consider it more than
interesting trivia.  Haven't governments been funding roads since Roman
times?  So don't chariots own the roads more than bicycles?  The fact
that the pavement was a technological improvement doesn't change the
principal, since there have been other improvments before and since
pavement.

I'd like to see attitudes towards bicycles and cycling improve, but I
don't think that citing this trivia helps make a point.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Buyers Co-op
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:59:50 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr10.151656.4127@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>I would certainly support a bike coop if their prices offered an
>appropriate amount of savings.  But, by the time that
>distributor/manufacturer relationships are established, catalogs are
>printed & sent, & advertising no matter now frugal is paid for, an
>order-taking & shipping center is set up, I really wonder if a coop is
>going to be able to offer substantial savings.

Seems to me there was a discussion a year ago regarding setting
up a co-op.  I don't remember the details, but there doesn't seem
to be a thriving co-op either.

How about contacting REI or some other existing co-op (examples
anyone???) regarding expanding into the bicycle arena.  They would
have some momentum for establishing distributor/manufacturer relationships,
printing catalogs (even have a list of current members who might become
customers), and an order taking and shipping center already
established.  Any REI members out there who want to make the first contact???
-- 
Ron Larson                       |   If pro is the opposite of con,
Cray Computer Corporation        |   what is the opposite of progress??
lars@craycos.com  (719)-540-4232 |              Frank & Ernest
From: frankh@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Frank Hamlin)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:34:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

>Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
>hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.

How about speeding, following too close, failure to signal lane changes,
failure to yield to pedestrians in cross walks, failure to stop before
crossing a sidewalk, failure to signal right hand turns, 15 MPH thru
uncontrolled intersections, and rolling stop signs.  Both groups ignore
too many laws, but on a basis of laws broken per mile, you would have to
look at little kids riding on side walks to make the average car driver
have a higher compliance.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: aleta@cs.cornell.edu (Aleta Ricciardi)
Subject: Cycling in Portugal
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:13:37 GMT


Hi kids -

I'll be in Portugal (Estoril, to be precise) July 8-16, and I'm 
curious about the cycling.  I've got about 6 days to play and would love
to take either day trips or a longer trip.  

Anyone with experience riding along the coast? Inland?  I'm a woman
and I'd be travelling alone - is this not smart?  Unfortunately,
I don't speak the language (but I'm passable in French and Italian).

How are the roads?  What about finding places to stay?  Anything you've 
got to say is appreciated.  

PLEASE email responses and I'll post a summary.

	Thanks,
	Aleta



=======aleta@cs.cornell.edu
From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wanted: Bicycle News
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:49:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: exodus.ku109lINNnku
Reply-To: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM ()
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

Attention bicyclists & bicycle advocates,

If you have any news you'd like published in *The Spinning Crank*, 
the newsletter of the Santa Clara Valley Bicycle Assn., send it
to Ellen Fletcher at

Fletchere@aol.com

by Friday, April 10.

if for any reason that address fails to work, use 

scvba@igc.org as an alternate.

Bill
--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Light Saddles
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:36:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: AT&T

In article <rq9trINN48k@agate.berkeley.edu> gemmell@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Gemmell) writes:
>
>I was thinking about spending mega-bucks on a 
>new seat for my racing bike and was wondering
>if anyone had opinions about the latest
>super-light saddles they care to share:
>
>1) The Flite saddle, 190 grams for $60+

I've had one for almost a year, and love it.  I'd like to get them for
my other two bikes.  It's actually more comfortable than my other
saddles.  The plastic cover of the saddle does wear easily, but this
is only cosmetic.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:28:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

> According to the Paceline column in the May '92 issue of Bicycling
> "Bikenet, the longest-running cycling-related computer bulletin board
> system recently went offline after 8 years."

The "rec.bicycles" Usenet newsgroup was established in 1982 by Dave Menges
then at the University of Indiana.  By my calculations that makes this
newsgroup 10 years old!  Looks like we have that piddly little bulletin
board beat bad and we are still going strong!!!!

My thanks to all the posters and postees!

Bruce

ps - give yourselves a pat on the back since no one else is going to do
it for you!
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:48:57 GMT
Subject: Trek 5200 Review
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


With about 150 miles on it now I'm ready to give some comments about my new
Trek 5200.

Background:  I'm a triathlete  primarily but I train almost  entirely  with
	     bike racers.  I enter and win most local citizen's bike races.
	     In our local TT series (10K) I can average 26 mph.  In the 40K
	     cycling leg of a triathlon I can average a tad over 23 mph.

	     I also own a 3 year old Trek 2300 (3 main tubes carbon, lugs
	     & fork aluminum).

Bike As Built:

  Frame: Trek 5200/5500
  Group: Shimano Ultegra 600 7-speed (it came with 8-speed STI)
  Saddle: Selle Italia Turbomatic (it came with a Selle Italia Flite)
  Wheels: Matrix ISO-C II *clincher*
  Bars:   Profile AirWave with SwiftShifts
  Stem:   TTT 84  140mm  (It came with 100mm)
  Cranks: 172.5 mm (it came with 170mm)
  Pedals: Look Carbon Pro


Review:

   The  bike is  light,  very  light.  As I built  it up it  weighs  21 lbs
   (that's  *without*  the STI).  My 2300  weighs in at 24 lbs.  These  are
   *real* weights on my own triple-beam scale.

   The bike is stiff,  very stiff.  One way Trek  accomplished  this was to
   have the lugs  extend far up into the other  tubes.  They also  claim to
   have done extensive  computer aided design.  The lugs on each size frame
   are  specific  to that frame  size!  The tubes are  oversize  but not as
   large as a  Cannondale.  Now, I ride a small frame (52 cm) so  stiffness
   is not that much of an issue but the difference  while climbing  between
   the 5200 and my 2300 is very  noticable.  During fast decsents (I've hit
   45 mph so far) the thing feels solid as a rock.

   The bike does transmit more road shock than my 2300.

   I built the bike myself because I set it up for TT.  I changed the seat,
   seat post,  handlebars,  cranks, and  shifters.  During all the work the
   only  "stupid"  thing I found were these  little  "flanges" on the front
   fork to keep the wheel from  coming  off if you gape and leave the quick
   release un-done.  The bike shop said this is a legal Cover-Your-Ass.

   I really  love the  color.  Since the 5200  only  comes in one color I'm
   sure glad they picked "Lunar Blue" rather than "Butt ugly neon".


The greatest thing about this bike is the price -- $1999.  The Kestrel EMS
(which today is the only real competition) is about $800 more.

Also,  since STI don't  make much sense  when you have  shifters  up on the
aerobars I sold the STI levers for $150 and  replaced  them for about  $50.
Cuts the price of the bike another $100!


-- LSC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:29:00 GMT

Torsten Lif writes:

> A deodorant merely "paints over" the smell by hiding it with an even
> stronger one. An antiperspirant is more efficient but the health issue
> of smearing yourself with aluminium hydroxide is not fully resolved.

After stating that the odor arises from bacterial action rather than sweat
itself, it seems there may be room for other reasons "antiperspirants"
suppress these odors.  First off, I think it is misleading to imply that
it is a foreign organism rather than the human body that produces
objectionable odors when the body has many subcultures of such biological
activities that function in parasitic symbioses.  In any case, epidermal
generation of aroma can be muted by interfering with the conversion of
organic matter.  As was mentioned by another writer, even alcohol can
interfere with this.  I am sure that there are effective pharmaceutical
lotions that can do this.  I have witnessed the results and it was not a
perfume "painting over", in fact the deoderant had almost no flavor after
application.  Riding behind the rider, who otherwise gave off 'choking fumes',
no noticeable odor was detected after he applied deodorant to his armpits
before the ride.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H)
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Light Saddles
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:35:53 GMT

Word is that the new Carbon Flite is all-carbon..
I mean ALL-Carbon (ie no foam padding, (synth) leather cover, etc)
Then again, my sources could be wrong....

Isaac Leung
Eng.Fizz3
From: Howard.Gerber@urchin.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Sticky Demand Traffic Light problem solution
Date: 01 Apr 92  23:08:42 CST

Peter Desnoyers writes:

 PD> Dave Angus provided what seems to be the easiest solution to the
 PD> problem of traffic lights with inductive detectors that won't
 PD> detect bikes. I'm reposting it, as it seems to be of general use.

>> As I suggested to the original poster, there IS a surefire way of triggering
>> those sensors. Just lay your bike down flat in the middle of the sensor area.
>> Works every time. I saw this suggested in a bicycling magazine a long time

Unfortunately, it doesn't work every time. Most of the traffic signals in Houston use the figure eight pattern, but most of them are also turned to such low sensitivity that the suggested method does not even work with motorcycles.

Here's a method that works much better. First you identify the defective signals (yes, I said defective!). Then you report them as defective to your local traffic and signal department, and keep reporting it until they fix it. Then the biggest problem you will have is that the sensor will make your wireless bike computer go haywire, but you can't have everything I guess.

 * Origin: I'm pedalling as fast as I can! (1:106/88.0)
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From: rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:17:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University, W Lafayette IN

Funny... on all the cars I've been in, the accelerator is flat.
Now there coming out with shoe clips like on bicycles??  Imagine
that.   Must be a foreign car.  Wouldn't that be dangerous?  If
you pulled your foot off of the gas too quickly you could
damage the acclerator (or your knee)...

Rob

(a sarcastical way of saying that I highly doubt your post has
 anything to do with automotive driving....)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 20:56:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr4.220820.19084@cbfsb.cb.att.com> 
	ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:

>What do you think an accident is?  An accident is a mistake.  As
>differentiated from an intentional act.
>
What a load of horse apples!  Accident is a euphemism for:

	inattention;
	negligence;
	failure to properly maintain a vehicle, tires, etc.
	impairment due to fatigue or drugs;
	errors in judgement;
	impatience;

none of which are excusable and all of which are entirely avoidable.
"Accident" -- as in "Accidents happen" is abhorrent to conscious life forms.
What a previous poster said in relation to firearms is right on -- *you* are
responsible for not killing someone else through your action or inaction. A
car is a lethal piece of machinery.

To be truthful, we are talking about *collisions*, not accidents.

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Subject: Driver education required for all ages
Reply-To: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:24:10 GMT


I was beat up by a 6 year old. He trashed my bike too.
The fact that he was driving a 1985 Dodge Caravell was immensely
in his favor though. I was stopped at a stop sign waiting for
heavy traffic to clear when I was struck from behind. After
I jumped clear and shut off the motor, the kid's mother runs
up and drives over my Trek 800. The frame got bent 1/4 inch.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Touring equipment: tents
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:09:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr8.190950.28443
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Several weeks (months?) ago, there was a thread on
lightweight tents on this group.  If anyone saved
the info, could you please e-mail a copy to me?

Additionally, I would appreciate any info/feedback on the
Sierra Designs Clip Flashlight and Eureka (?) Cirrus 2 
tents from anyone who has used them.  
Any other recommendations are welcome.


-- 
Carlos Martin     martin@morticia.Princeton.edu         =(:-) 
                  martin@icecream.Princeton.edu         <smiley with a mohawk>
                  disclaimer: don't believe everything you are told.
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:41:51 GMT
Organization: Acme Flamethrowers

In article <s1tknINN1m6@agate.berkeley.edu> gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen) writes:
+
+Well, in my experience, here are the rules that I've seen cyclists, drivers,
+and motorcyclists break:
+
+					Car	Bicycle	Motorcycle Walker
+
+Operating in a Bicycle Only lane	x	x		   x
+Operating in a Car Only lane		x			   x


I suspect that it is okay for a Bicycle to operate in a Bicycle lane
or a car to operate in a car only lane or a surgeon to operate in an
operating room.  (Sorry, the last one snuck in there).  So, you have
extra "x"'s.
+
+So, which group would you rather be a part of???

The Rolling Stones.  But, they probably won't accept me since I can't sing 
or play a musical instrument very well.

============================================================================
		Roy Rogers was Trigger happy
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul D. Blumstein (DoD #36), Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA  
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From: david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RFI:Georgia MTB Weekend Soon?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: david@.UUCP (David R. Mayne)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Absurdity

In article <1992Apr9.175741.1353@b3.ingr.com> andrew@b3.ingr.com (Andrew Stephens) writes:
>
>I was wondering if there would be any type of spring gathering in 
>North Georgia like the one I read about on the net last fall. How did 
>that go? I'm in Huntsville, AL (not far) but did not have my bike with 
>me at the time of the fall event, If any one has any info at all about 
>the last one and/or next one, please let me know. Thanks, 
>
>Drew    (drew@drew.b3.ingr.com)

You're in luck.  The Southern Off Road Bicycle Association (SORBA) is holding
a spring festival in the Nimblewell Area (near Amicolola falls) of North GA,
April 25-26. The festival will feature some organized rides, clinics,
and a bike raffle.  Primitive camping is available at the festival
(there will be toilets and water), or you can stay in a motel in Ellijay
or Dahlonega. For more information, contact Steve Houghton at Dunwoody
Schwinn. (404) 455-3171 (Tell him I sent you (: ).

The North Georgia Mountains Chapter of SORBA, (SORBA NGMC) puts on a
festival in the fall of each year, in the Cohutta Ranger District
of the U.S. Forest Service. The festival has gone quite well for the
past two years, and I will be organizing the event again for this
year,  either on October 10-11, or 17-18. We will probably start building
another trail next month, and the Forest Service will be building
an ATV trail, giving us another 10-12 miles of riding for this years
festival. I will be anouncing more information as the planning stages
unfold. 

As a Forest Service volunteer, I lead trail maintenance parties
in a couple of districts (I'm also doing work in the Shoal Creek
district of the Taledaga Forest, AL), and will need help on a new 
trail construction in the near future.  Anyone interested in trail 
maintenance in north Georgia can contact me for work party schedules. 

Hope to see you at the festival,

David

-- 
David R. Mayne         1372 Normandy Dr. NE             Atlanta, GA 30306
david@wmms.UUCP        (404) 876-0943        ...!gatech!bagend!wmms!david
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: BAUER Vindicated!!! It's about time!
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:30:32 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

I just wanted to let those Canucks out there, as well as everyone else
interested who doesn't get Velo News, that Steve Bauer has won the law suit
filed against him by Claude Criquielion after the crash which took place at the
finale of the 1988 World Championships. His vindication has been a long time
coming.

This was reported on page 18 of the April 6 Velo News, and it is interesting to
note that according to Velo News, this legal decision also throws into question
the decision of the race officials to disqualify Bauer.

Steve, we were behind you all the way!

-- 
 
David Swayze        | swayzed@brandonu.ca    | Reading furnishes the mind only
Brandon University  | Canada (pokey) Post:   | with materials of knowledge; it
Brandon, Manitoba   | 56 Wilnor Bay          | is thinking which makes what we
Canada              | Brandon, MB, R7B 3H1   | read ours.           John Locke
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