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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: shelter puppies
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:45:08 GMT


> for those who have volunteered at shelters *and* have
> pets at home...Has [transmitting diseases from shelter pets
> to owned pets] been a problem or concern

Yes, it's definately a concern.  But, I think no more of a concern than for
vets, or people who work at vets.  We have an isolation area for dogs and
cats we recognize as being sick.  Once anyone in the shelter works with
these animals they don't work with any healthy animals that day--often
they will shower at the shelter before going home.  I have never known
of any volunteer transmitting anything to their dogs or cats.   I think
that most people with puppies or kittens choose to work only with the
healthy animals to minimize risk.

It's difficult because often the sick ones really need to be monitored
closely--taken home and have someone just keep an eye on them.  Most
volunteers are hesitant to do this because of risks to their own pets
so we will often take the animal to the vet, just so someone can keep
an eye on them.  I once took a pup home with me--I was one of the
few volunteers without any animals at home.  The poor little thing 
(8 weeks old, 9 lbs) was not recovering from her spay and was clearly
developing a fever.  The little puppy ended up having parvo, kennel 
cough and mange so I kept her with me and quit going to the shelter
and being around my friends' dogs until she was no longer contagious--
about a month later.  The vet said he had only seen one dog sicker,
and that one didn't make it.  I kpet her with me round the clock--very
understanding boss, and very quiet puppy.  She recovered beautifully.
If you think I was able to part with this little pup after a month of
being together 24 hours a day, then you obviously can't see who is
chewing on a raw hide underneath my computer as I type this. 
-- 
                              O             betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu
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From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Shepard Ears & Things
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:18:16 GMT
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA


In article <1992Nov14.195902.1227@dvorak.amd.com>, hbowser@dvorak.amd.com (Horace Bowser) writes:
|

|>He has a weak right ear that he's yet to gain control of.  His left ear has 
|>been standing strong since he was 4 mo!  Other than feeding him gelatin (at the
|>advice of my vet since he was ~4mo), I've taken no other corrective action.  I
|>figured it's in his blood and would occur sooner or later.  Should I at this
|>point introduce the hair curlers, popsicle stick, other device?  If it is that

Eight months is getting a little late to correct the ear. If you want to
try to get a true stand up ear, you would need to start taping the ear in
place now. However, this may not help but is worth a try. Your vet or the
breeder could help you with the technique.

|>Secondly, to date only one of his testicles has manifested itself.  Is there 
|>another stuck up there some where?  I don't know.  The vet says yes.  How long
|>should I wait before I have is other one surgically removed?  Is this necessary?
|>If there is another up there, will it become cancerous over time?  Must I then
|>remove his other testicle to prevent him from passing this trait on to potential
|>offspring?  Is this trait hereditary (sp?)?

Technically your dog is a monorchid, meaning he only has one descended
testicle. Unfortunately this is hereditary. It is generally recommended
that the undescended testicle be removed. The undescended testicle has a higher
risk of become cancerous. Generally this is done during a complete
neuter. As a side note, monorchids are disqualified in the show ring
and are not considered breedable under the German breed survey system.

|>Ok... Ok... so there were more than 2 questions.  Since I'm on a roll, how long 
|>will it be before Killer Bear (aka Bear) starts to have that Shepard stance
|>profile?  You know, that slanted/sloping look.  He still lumbers along (i.e. 
|>bear) with that clumsy, goofy, slendar puppy look (save when he's protecting
|>or fronting for other dogs).
|>

8 months is a horrible time for a male puppy as far as conformation. :-)
They are uncoordinated and out of proportion. Stop looking at him until he
is 18 months old. :-) At that time, you should start seeing the final
adult conformation when things start to get back in proportion.

--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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From: boggs@agps.lanl.gov (Marsha topgun/ne)
Subject: hip dysplasia
Organization: A-10, LANL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:14:53 GMT


ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  I had a German Shepard as a kid and really liked it.  Doubt if I
>would accept one today because they have a genetic deformity called
>hip displasia.  Most of them carry it, and they often end up totally
>crippled by the time they're a year or two old.
>  Maybe you could look into the Australian Cattle Dog.  They have not
>  been so overbred in this country yet as to have overwhelming physical
> problems.
>  --- FMail 0.92
>   * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)


Aw c'mon! You make it sound like every german shepherd has hip dysplasia!
Yes, there are some that have and/or will develop it, but this is a 
possibility for all large breeds and even some of the smaller breeds.
I own 2 GSD's and am a breeder wanna be. My male has excellent hips at
2.5 years as certified by the OFA and comes from 5 generations of OFA's
parents. The other also comes from OFA's lines, but is only 6 months old
so cannot be graded yet. I know several breeders and they have had very 
little problem with hip dysplasia.  German shepherds are wonderful dogs.  
Don't eliminate a whole breed because of a problem related to ALL large
breeds.

--Marsha
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                     boggs@agps.lanl.gov (505) 665-6606
Los Alamos National Laboratory, P.O. Box 1663  MS J488  Los Alamos, NM 87545
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Size of Kennel for Golden Retriever
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:41:34 EST

In article <1992Nov16.201301.9132@exu.ericsson.se>, exuclh@exu.ericsson.se (Calvin L. Hall, x 6521, s034) writes:
> 
> I need some recommendations on the smallest kennel 
> size for a Golden Retriever. I will providing ample
> exercise time before and after I go to work. But I 
> will be housing the dog in the kennel at night and during 
> the working hours.
> 
> Also, what are some of the best alternatives for ground cover
> inside the kennel?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Calvin

The smallest size VARI-Kennel you would use is a 400 (24"W x 36"D x 26"H).
If you were going to use a wire crate you would want to get something about
the same dimensions.

Kim
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:23:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  WOW!!! I am totally stunned by your "Most Distructive Dog" story,
and wish to award you first prise.
  I have had distructive dogs too, but yours certainly takes the cake.
(and everything else you own).
  It was several years and a few dogs before I learned about crates
too.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
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From: elisa <elisa@jazz.concert.net>
Subject: Re: a story about George
Organization: MCNC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.074340.22485@pony.Ingres.COM> Jon
Krueger, jpk@Ingres.COM writes:
>accustomed to waiting for someone to indicate when to cross.

Made me cry too.  Way to go Jon.
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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Question about Schutzhund Training
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:05:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3302]: diana


>I have a question along this line.  Yesterday, I was talking to an owner
>of a doberman puppy with whom she is "doing Shutzhund".  She said that 
>she tells people that if they want to come over to her house they better
>be prepared for a 5 month old puppy jumping all over them because she's not
>reprimanding him or trying to discourage this due to the Shutzhund training.
>
>Is this true?  Does Shutzhund training mean no obedience training?  I get 
>the impression she is trying to "let the dog be himself".  Won't she end up
>with a monster?

>-Chris Rasmussen

Schutzhund training is one third obedience.  The obedience portion of the
test is comperable to an AKC CDX degree.   HOWEVER, you must not instill
an inhibition against jumping on people, or a feeling of restraint toward
people when the dog is young, because another third of the test involves
jumping on people and biting the protective sleeve on their arm.

The old system was to not train for the first year, then train using 
forceful methods.  The dog will be quite tough since it was "given its
head" for a year, so the forceful methods didn't destroy the dog.

Nowadays, training is done in the first year, but the dog is challenged
and restrained as little as possible, and not taught to be afraid or
back down from *anything*.  That is, the training is more motivational
(un Koehler-like :-).

The end result should be a dog that is physically and mentally capable
of attacking, but which has no fear or apprehension about people, so
has no reason to bite.  Additionally, the testing includes calling the
dog off in the middle of an attack, regardless of adrenaline,
excitement, etc.  

And, yes, they are fine with children, unless the dog is unstable.

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
and Alaskan Malamute.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

___________________________________________________________________

Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
Amoco Production Company
Houston, Texas

____________________________________________________________________
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Dog doors
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:07:14 GMT

We are planning to replace the dog door we currently have with one that
is more weather proof.  We have horrible winds, and the door that we 
currently use is almost always "blown" open an inch or so.  I have
visions of coming home to find three feet of snow in the garage.

We have looked at an electronic door made by solo (I think) does any one
use this door?  Is it worth the three hundred dollors they are asking?

Does anyone have any recomendations for doors to buy, or doors to avoid?

Some info:
Dogs are a schnauzer, (1 year old)  a GSD/Cocker cross (10 years old) the
door conects an outdoor run with an in garage kennel which has a ramp leading
into the house.  Its important that the door should be weather proof and chew
resistant.

Please email and I will sumarize.
Thanks
--

TNSTAAFD -- There's No Such Thing As A Free Dog.

cldavies@silver.sdsmt.edu        cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Shopping w/your pet...
Reply-To: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:19:32 GMT

In article <27578@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas) writes:
>We have a new store called Pet Stuff that they encourage you to bring
>in your dog, cat, hampster, mice, snakes and birds.  They have a grooming
>salon and a place where you can get your picture taken with your pet.
>BTW, I live near Annapolis MD.
>
>Leila
>
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>Roy Dotrice
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: American Kennel Club Titles FAQ
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:15:42 GMT

In article <2B07F9EE.749@ics.uci.edu>
   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
 
>By all means!  I would love to expand my listing of titles outside of
>AKC.  I simply don't have the resources to do it myself and so I
>depend on contributions.
 
 
Then I'll start to work to develop the hunting test regs for UKC
and NARHA for Labs.  Thanks.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:09:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Dirty Paws!
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  About your dirty paw problem-  Seeing that you live in a wet
climate, and the yard you put the dog out in is muddy, I would say
your best solution would be a dog run covered 3-4 inches deep with
gravel.
  Arrange the run so that the dogs has no dirt to walk through on her
way to the dog run.  Also, a large square of Astro turf will collect
any loose dirt before it ever reaches the house.  If the area right
outside the door is paved, most of your battle is already won.  In the
event that the dog gets muddy, have a hose and spray nozzle already
prepared on the paved area, before the astro turf. Spray off the mud
and the sidewalk, then have her walk over the Astro-turf into the
house.
 What I do on the inside of the house is an absorbent washable rug
right in the doorway.  All the dirt and wet foot prints get imprinted
into this and not the regular carpet.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Second request: Is there no help for howling pup upstairs?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:02:52 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

From article <BETSYS.92Nov23002726@ra.cs.umb.edu>, by betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz):
> My landlords have a year-old cocker spaniel which howls for HOURS
> every morning when they leave. I received only one response to my
> earlier plea, a suggestion about legal action. Well, it's a nice dog,
> and my landlords are nice people, so I don't really see any reason to
> get formal. It just makes me unhappy to hear the poor dog.

	That is exactly what the dog wants you to feel.  It is trying to 
attract attention.

>   Is this dog really as unhappy as it sounds, or is it just a tantrum?

	Yes...and no.  Howling usually means a bored or lonely dog.  But
it doesn't necessarily mean the dog is "throwing a tantrum, just complaining.
Barking and howling take almost no energy from the dog, so it can keep it
up for hours.

> Also, will a year-old-exactly pup grow out of this behaviour? 

	That depends on the dog, and its relationship with its owners, but 
the odds are not good unless the dog gets some separation anxiety training.

> The dog is left alone about 35 hours a week over six days, which
> doesn't seem excessive. 

	It doesn't sound excessive to me.

>   thanks for any suggestions on how to make the dog happier!
> thanks, Betsy
> --
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I'm not an authority by any means, but I faced this problem with our Siberian
(a world-class howler).  The dog must be taught that its job (when left alone)
is to quietly amuse itself in a socially acceptable way.  It must be taught 
that its pack (your landlords) will be returning and that to fulfil its role,
it must remain here "holding the fort".

This is not any easy thing to teach, so I suggest consulting an obedience 
trainer or some well-respected training books.  Carol Lea Benjamin's work
comes to mind.

Dave

-- 
Dave Willett          AT&T Federal Systems Advanced Technologies
attmail!dwillett      (AT&T FSAT)
If you think it's so !#$%^& easy, You try it!
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From: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel)
Subject: where to buy a dog?
Reply-To: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:07:54 GMT

where is the 'best' place to buy my dog?  i'm planning on buying a female
dalmation puppy early next year.  all the dalm's in the paper are AKC -- is it
important that i have AKC? (i am not going to breed).  how much is a
reasonable amount?  the range i've seen is $75 (only once) to $300; most hang
out in the $150-200 price range.  pet shops that have dogs always have real
exorbitant price tags ... or do they usually include 'bonuses' like shots,
etc.?  someone here at work mentioned that most breeds have a 'rescue'; how do
i go about locating such?

any insights appreciated.

-- 
	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
				       -
      tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
		     -- i exclusively represent myself --
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Subject: Vacation...
From: Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson )
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:17:38 GMT
Organization: DAC, Child Psych, UPMC


Hi,

	I remember briefly reading something awhile back about a list that 
you can mail away for which gives information about vacation-type places 
which allow pets.  I can't find the address & I was wondering if anybody had 
it handy & could send it to me.

	What would be ideal is a condo type place, relitively secluded on 
the shore (East Coast).  I know that Holiday Inn's allow pets, but I'm not 
really looking to rent a cell for my time off. 

						Thanks,
							Alex

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From: intrigue@stein.u.washington.edu (Shelley Vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Was she humping?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:56:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.165643.14032
Organization: University of Washington

I have a wonderful Airedale puppy, Morgan, who will be 12 weeks old
this Friday.  She is a frisky little thing, to put it mildly, but
she's quite smart and is training beautifully - she already knows
Sit!  Well, anyway, last night she was getting a little out of hand
and I was just getting ready to put her away for a "rest" when she
grabbed my arm, like I have had male dogs do in the past, and my
SO said, "She's humping you!"  And it sure looked like it to me, too.
Anyone know what was going on?
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Schutzhund Training
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:30:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
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I don't know anything about the American Bulldog but I can say that I am
all in favor of Schutzhund work with a dog.  If you want t pursue that
option thought I recommend that you might want to wait to get a dog until
after you have found a good club or trainer.  Their attitude towards the
dog will be as important as yours, e.g., a trainer most familiar with
training German Shepherd Dogs will make your dog work like a GSD.

The one serious, I mean SERIOUS, drawback to having a Schutzhund trained
dog around the house is that you must keep working and training with the
dog if you want to maintain the reliability and responsiveness of the dog. 
The schutzhund dogs that I know are no different in outward behavior than
the rest of the dogs I know.  Most are very approachable and friendly.

Gail



In a previous article, lfarrell@lfarrell.src.utah.edu (Laura Farrell) says:

>I am looking into getting a puppy and going through obedience and
>possibly Schutzhund training with it.  I am interested in a breed 
>that was developed from the Pit Bull and various breeds of Mastif
>(I'm guessing around 24", I know around 90lbs for adult males, white
>color sometimes with eye patches like a Pit Bull).  It is being 
>called the American Bulldog (not AKC recognized).
>
>Is anyone out there familiar with this kind of dog?
>
>What are some opinions of Schutzhund trained dogs, especially
>regarding their interaction with kids and people in general?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
From: dgm@garnet.berkeley.edu (D.G. Meads)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you fight a race track?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:28:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: jadpc2
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In article <9211121441.AA2036@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  You have a point there about the Greyhounds not being generally
>abused.  You can't get a dog to perform the way you want by abusing
>it.
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)


Remember, this is a dog.  Instincts and training provide the incentives, they
aren't atheletes who decide to race depending on how they feel.
From: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Shopping w/your pet...
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:29:21 GMT
Reply-To: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis, MD

We have a new store called Pet Stuff that they encourage you to bring
in your dog, cat, hampster, mice, snakes and birds.  They have a grooming
salon and a place where you can get your picture taken with your pet.
BTW, I live near Annapolis MD.

Leila

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