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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Spouses, children, & software
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:56:37 GMT

elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.193008.10648@compu.com>
> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) disagrees:

>>Wrong. Inheritance has nothing to do with genealogy. A will does. In
>>any case  that is a one generational thing and would be limited to the
>>tiniest percentage of all genealogical research.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Really, Fred?

>When a reclusive billionaire named Howard Hughes died intestate
>(without a will) a few years ago, distant relatives began crawling out
>of the woodwork. 

My point, isn't it? Or how many Howard Hughes' are there? An estate without a 
will is subject to the will of the courts. They may rule as per state and 
federal law if anyone should or may share in such an estate. Typically the 
state first takes the largest cut in an intestate estate division. 


>In at least one of the three states where Hughes
>lived, third cousins were considered close enough kin to be legal
>heirs.  The estate _still_ has not been divided, as the relatives and
>their lawyers squabble over who has a claim, and to how much.

We must remember that many of the people were NOT related but claimed it 
anyway. With such an estate, why not?



>Perhaps the situation is different in Germany, but in a good many states
>of the US, inheritance law _does_ depend on genealogy, and adoptions are
>certainly included in those legal relationships.

I do not dissagree and my assumption is that the laws are similar in most 
countries of the world. 

I think you may be missing the point of what I said though:  "People do not do
genealogy in the hope that some unknown person will die with an intestate
estate on his hands that they may possibly share in." 

Under situations such as those the state may engage a genealogist to attempt 
to find heirs. It is an after the fact situation that has little bearing on 
what I claimed here to be a fun pursuit of unravelling a giant puzzle. 

Please remember that it serves little purpose to do genealogy back to 
Charlemagne if you intend to claim a part of Europe as an heir of his. 

fred
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W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: ch525@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David F. Clapin)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Canadian military records--address sought
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:42:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Canadian military records may be obtained from:

Department of National Defence
Personnel Records Centre
Building 18, Tunney's Pasture
Ottawa, Ontario
CANADA  K1A 0M3

Tel. No.:  (613) 954-4135
FAX No.:   (613) 954-4138

Records can be released to the immediate family anytime after
the death of the serviceman, provided you have proof of
your relationship and proof of the death.  

David F. Clapin                     dclapin@hpb.hwc.ca
(613) 941-2039
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Trying a new Gen. Software
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:28:31 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

>I have begun to write my own software for genealogy and would like to
>ask to interested their opinion:

>Any comment?

All I can say is lots of luck and get ready to decicate a few years of your 
life for the project.

I do not see a lot of benefit for exporting data to people who only have the 
briefest of informationsets. But it should not be that big a deal in project 
as big as writing your own software system for genealogy to produce an output 
subset just in case someone wants to send data to the LDS using their limited 
PAF mode.

Some of the difficulty that might be encountered in writing to the 5.0 specs 
could be guessed at in that the LDS itself does not have such software 
available and they wrote they specs. But more power to anyone who is game to 
try.

Fred


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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:25:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
From:         Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Dolly Madison & Patrick Henry
Comments: To: ROOTS <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

We are seeking information on the descendents of these two people (the
immediate two generations). Letters in our possesion establish that a lady
named Payne was a niece or great niece to Dolly Madison.

I would have assumed that Dolly Madison's genealogy was published
somewhere but I have been looking for it off and on for about 15 years.
The only thing that I have found is that she and Patrick Henry were
supposed to have been cousins.


Any information will be appreciated.

Thanks--


Terry & Carmen Antoine
P.O. Box 1334
Stephenville, Tx 76401-1334
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From: BISTJCR@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Central Missouri genealogical workshop
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:45:05 GMT
Reply-To: BISTJCR@MIZZOU1.BITNET
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The Columbia MO stake is hosting a one-day genealogical
workshop in Columbia MO on Sat June 5 1993.
If you are in the mid-MO area and would volunteer to
give a lecture on some genealogical topic you have
expertise in, please let me know.

John Reid
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:14:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Christopher Woodill <cwoodill@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
From:         Christopher Woodill <cwoodill@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Please subscribe Christopher Woodill to Roots mailing list.

Christopher Woodill
cwoodill@epas.utoronto.ca
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:06:42 EST
Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Czech Genealogical Society Address?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU, berkovej@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU

Czechoslovak Genealogical Society
PO Box 16225
Saint Paul, MN 55116-0225

Susan Turnbach says "At $10 a year, it is a great bargain!"
jp
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From: "david hamid" <david.hamid@canrem.com>
Subject: england q: recording shir
Reply-To: "david hamid" <david.hamid@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:13:46 EST

BN>And on a related note, the English locality divisions -- Lincoln-
  >shire, Herefordshire, and so on -- what are they called?  Counties?
  >Shires?

Both.  Shire means county.  Apparently, with respect to some English 
counties, "shire" is optional.  Devon/Devonshire, for example.  This 
might be the case for Lincoln as well.  

               David Hamid
---
  1st 1.00 #907  I remember when Saturns were rockets, not cars.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:17:06 EST
Reply-To:     Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET>
From:         Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Spouses, children, & software

To Thomas Wetmore, IV:

I would have to disagree with your definition of genealogy.  There are several
reasons people choose to do genealogy.  One reason is to trace inheritance.
In this case adoption is very important, since most adopted children are
legal heirs to their adopted parents.  Another reason, is becoming more
knowledgable about cultural heritage.  Cultural Heritage is transmited by
the families that raise the children not by blood.  Many people are interested
in both blood genealogy and cultural genealogy.  I am studying both my father's
adopted family and his biological family.
Thought I would let you know that some of us do require flexible software, and
as a software provider (Thomas Wetmore) this should be clear by the ammount of
discussion this has generated on the list.  We want software that will let us
do what we want to do.  Not software that limits us to someone else's narrow
definition of genealogy.

     Paul W. Lowry, another crusty opinionated old fart...!
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:19:45 CST
Reply-To:     Samantha Ruffini <P77701RS@WUVMC.BITNET>
From:         Samantha Ruffini <P77701RS@WUVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Allen County Library

Would someone tell me the phone number for the Allen County Library in
Fort Wayne, Indiana?  I lost my note with the number and address.

Thank you, Samantha
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:52:00 EST
Reply-To:     SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
From:         SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
Subject:      Also Problems with FirstSearch
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

When I just tried (3:45pm, 12/21/92) to login to FirstSearch I also got the
same message that authorization number: 100077527 and Password: fsearch do not
match.

Susan Arday
INTERNET:   SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
BITNET:     CDCSLA@EMUVM1
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Trying a new Gen. Software
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:53:36 GMT

I have begun to write my own software for genealogy and would like to 
ask to interested their opinion:

Since most of programs only support a very small part of the full
GEDCOM standard, would it be good to have a double configuration:
support all GEDCOM official features and be compatible?

In the compatible mode (which can be used in output only or in
working), the system uses only the (limited but common) records
that most programs know: a person has ONE name, ONE type of up-relation
(i.e. father+mother), only birth/marriage/death data (place and date of
event, no source like baptism and burial or double records, etc.).

In the full feature mode, you could do any thing supported by the
standard.  i.e. If someone has 2 conflictual birth date, you can have
them.  If one has 2 names, different parents in a record, etc.,
you can do it.

The limited mode would help to export data in case you don't like
the program.  Perhaps, the best could be to use the limited mode
only in output by transforming the additional data into (retrievable)
notes.

Any comment?


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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
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From: jdboer@sol.UVic.CA (Johan deBoer)
Subject: Thank you and happy new year
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: soc.roots
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 19:58:23 GMT

A happy new year to all.

And lots of thanks to all the helpfull people on roots that have made the
past few months very productive for me. I located and contacted at least
three distantly related families I never knew I was related to.
The net really works. Keep it going!

Johan de Boer
jdboer@sol.uvic.ca
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: What's MELVYL? [was: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)]
Keywords: MELVYL, Libraries
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:22:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuData Inc.

mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile) writes:

>    As of 12/22/92, approximately 7,046,741 titles representing
>    13,687,500 holdings for materials in the University of
>    California libraries and the California State Library.

And all of them strictly for CA residents. My ILL loan person just called me 
and we had a nice chat as to why I'm getting so little material from Tom 
Lincoln's MELVYL lists. 

It seems that CA will not send books out of state. This also explains that 
what I've received has always come from other states here on the east coast.

Apparently this has nothing to do with cost as I offered to pay. They just 
won't do it. It's part of whatever logic they use over there to keep 
information to themselves.

But all is not lost. She will see what can be found in the rest of the US 
where folks may be more cooperative.

While on the subject - I asked to get some clarification of policy etc. Our 
local county library system will first search where there is no cost to borrow 
books. That is with libraries that help each other and pick up the cost of 
shipping on a mutual 'I pay for yours, you pay for mine' type philosophy.

Then the search goes to libraries that only charge for shipping. The county 
picks up this cost for it's library clients.

Next, the client is called, if there is a charge beyond shipping, he/she 
may opt to pay such an amount. The typical fee is between $10 and $15 
dollars. 

In general, I seemed to sense that Academic libraries always charge the public 
libraries mainly because the universities have much more to offer and the 
exchange would be going in one way too much.

Anyway, I'm satisfied that MY library tries hard to get what it can but there 
seem to be many roadblocks thrown up by others who have the goods.

Fred 
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W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: cmackay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Carol MacKay)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Canadian Pacific Rail employee records
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 11:32:11 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Might anyone know where to write for CPR employee records?  
Thanks!

Searching:  HEENAN (Hardisty, Alberta, CA; Glasglow, Scot); HAGEN 
(Wetaskiwin & Edmonton, Alberta, CA); TENNENT (Hardisty, AB; Glasglow, 
Scotland)

Also searching:  Beckmann, Siegel, Simonsen, Simpson, Monet, Hafertepe
                 Querner, Scott, Lochner, Williams, Schweitzer in OHIO.

Carol MacKay              cmackay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:31:44 EST
Reply-To:     "Karen Kirby (EC)" <kirby@SUNFLASH.EC.USF.EDU>
From:         "Karen Kirby (EC)" <kirby@SUNFLASH.EC.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Christmas Languages
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I was reading your list of languages and haave a couple you don't have
so thought I'd send them on.

(Philippine)  MALIGAYANG PASCO
(NIGERIAN)    EKU AJODUN KERESIMESI

Also the following I have different.  I would like to know which is right.

(Welsh)   NADOLIA LLAWEN
(Hungarian)   KELLEMES KARA CSONY
(Russian) C HOBBIM POHOM
(Turkish) iYi NOELLER
(Vietnamese)  MUNG CHUA GIANG SINH

     I was glad to see your posting as I am the computer operator for
the college of Engineering at the University of South Florida.  I have
16 windows across the front of the room and every year I put Merry
Christmas in a different language in each window.  We have a alot of
foreign students and they all appreciate seeing their's up there.  Now with
your's I can put two to a window.  I only had 21 until now.  I wonder if I
could get them to put in more windows? (ha ha)

     Thanks for  your input!
Karen
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From: louis@cpd.Tandem.COM (Louis Meadows)
Subject: Information America Network ?
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:59:32 GMT


 Hi,

Does anyone have access ??   If so do you know the guest logon or a number
where I can contact them to get access.  I understand they change a flat
$95 dollar per hour search fee.   I go the name from Monodo 2000 issue 8.
Information America is used by private detectives and other investgators 
researching people.   I feel it may be a good souce to track down some of
my relatives with.

 Thanks in advance,

   Louis
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:07:16 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 31-Dec-1992 1101" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 31-Dec-1992 1101" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      SHELTON Query
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I'm trying to find out more information on my greatgreatgrandmother
Mary Frances SHELTON. She was married to George W. KITTLE in Virginia
(now West Virginia) around 1850 or so. She was born in 1828 according
to the 1880 Randolph County, West Virginia census. The census indicated
that she and her husband were born in Virginia. She had seven children:
Perry, Charles B., Caroline, Archibald, Florence A., Cora Lee
(my greatgrandmother), and Mary F. George W. KITTLE is buried in the
SCOTT family cemetery in Norton, West Virginia but I could not find
a gravestone for her. George died July 22, 1898.

If anyone is researching the SHELTON name and has any information,
no matter how slim, please contact me.

+-------------------------------+
|  Mike Holland                 |
|  Digital Equipment Corp.      |
|  305 Rockrimmon Blvd.         |
|  Colorado Springs, Colorado   |
|  (719)592-5964                |
|  holland@cx3com.enet.dec.com  |
+-------------------------------+

HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER,
TRAWICK, SHOUTER, STRINGER, MONTGOMERY
USA/AL/GA/FL/SC/NC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON,
DALTON, THARP OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY, JOHNSON, STALNAKER,
CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS, HENKLE
USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s
until Present

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY,
GANER, WOOD, LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
USA/VT/NY/MA/IRELAND/SCOTLAND early 1700s to present
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: New GENEALOG files: Royalty GEDCOM
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:24:53 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1992Dec30.010929.397@casbs.Stanford.EDU> kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.164654.11610@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Cerdic, King of Wessex, who died in 534, is the earliest individual
>>with a definite date -- but twenty-four generations of his paternal
>>line are listed before him, which would take us back before the Common
>>Era; I was under the impression that no European line, even a royal
>>one, could be taken that far. 
>>
Hooking into such lines becomes the reductio ad absurdum of genealogy...
fun for color if the near end is true.....

Rather like the big bang and the seven days of creation.....

somewhere faith begins and data gives out..

Tom

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 /|\   TOM LINCOLN  lincoln@rand.org
 \|/  "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive,
 /|\   experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult."

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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:46:00 EST
Reply-To:     "Dorothy M. Paul (219) 239-8694" <LGG4BD@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
From:         "Dorothy M. Paul (219) 239-8694" <LGG4BD@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Library Bashing

Lets do some court house bashing instead.  Berrien County
Michigan courthouse staff are very helpful in finding
information for genealogy purposes - but they charge
$1.00 per page for copies of probate records - the same
price for certified copies!  I think there should be a
price for non-certified copies of court and vital records.
........................................................................
Dorothy M. Paul           :Berkley(Berkeley) == Nebraska ** 1886
Room 836 Hesburgh Library :Blohme == Michigan>Illinois>Germany ** 1871
Univ. of Notre Dame       :Odd(Odsboy|Oddboy) == Utah>Sussex>Surrey>
Notre Dame, Indiana, USA  :                   == Kent,England ** 1733
             46556        :Wheaton == Michigan>New York ** 1799
(219)239-8694             :Life is just a      
Bitnet: LGG4BD@IRISHMVS   :    chair of bowlies....
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From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Subject: Anyone on Here from England?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:28:40 GMT

Is there anyone online here from England that might be willing to assist me
with a bit of research in Staleybridge??  I'm trying to establish a link
between two groups of Broadbents, my group which came to Canada in the early
1900's and the other group which went to the USA in the 1800's.  If you might
be able to help, let me know and I will send you all the data that I have vie
Email.  Thanks.

Tom Gowdyk

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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:28:24 -0600
Reply-To:     RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
From:         RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Johannes Petrus

Concerning the problem of first names with several language versions (cf. the
recent mail by Lisa Oberg <lisanne@u.washington.edu> ), here's my cent's (or
rather my centime's) worth, based on a long experience with many of my
ancestors who were, either Germans and then French, or bilingual from
Luxemburg, or French living in Russia, and most often catholics with church
records in Latin.

I use the first name corresponding to relevant person's mother's tongue. Never
Latin. I never had the problem of not knowing what was their mother's tongue,
as this was obvious by their precise geographic origin, but if this happened,
I suppose I would then choose the most likely language.

BTW, taking only the RIVINAC family I'm reseaching upon in the USA: Peter
(Petrus) was b. in what is now Germany (at the time belonging to Prussia,
although in the Mosel valley); he then went to France and signed Pierre; after
emigrating to the USA, he used Peter again of course (easy !), but from time
to time, he signed Pierre...

BTW, a MUCH graver problem is the variation in the surname in the same family
and even often in the same person. Taking again my RIVINAC reseach as an
example, I have the absolute proofs (records, etc.) that the same family, in
Germany, used the following surnames: RUEBENACH, RUEWENACH, RIWINACH, RIVINACH
(that's the one which gave RIVINAC by simplification in America), RIVENACH,
etc. !  And my direct ancestor Peter RIVINACH (father of the Peter who went
to America) was born RIWINACH and was buried RUEBENACH, although he was better
known as RIVINACH in the place where he died. The strange difference between
RUEBENACH (the original spelling, ancient and associated with a rich history)
and RIVINACH, etc., are easily explained by the local Germa dialectal
pronounciation along the Mosel valley -- but I would never had understood
this if I hadn't asked some people from that region !

In this case, I fear that the question of "what spelling should I use" (for
my software program or whatever) arises in a much graver way than for first
names. In the example above, I decided for RUEBENACH because it seems to be
the original spelling and the mos commonly used before 1750, BUT only for
Germany; I couln't put myself to "call" my grandmother "RUEBENACH", where she
had used RIVINACH all her life !  Same for her mother (she was unmarried),
but who used RIWINACH !!   Same for the American branch, who used RIVINAC
consistently !

I suppose all this might be a bit confusing in some cases, e.g. TMS ?

Jean Paul RIGAUT   University of Paris 7, France
Ivan Pavil
Johannes Paulus
John Paul
etc.