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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: *** Revenge, Temples destroyed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:17:49 GMT

In article <1gb4nlINN7ma@kumquat.cs.utk.edu> vkodali@cs.utk.edu (VENKATA RAMANA KODALI) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.052527.19545@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>
>>In article <Bz2sy9.Gzz@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>>>Again our great Indian Govt. has *back-stabbed* the Hindus
>>>by pledging to rebuild the Babri mosque without even
>>>bothering to mention as to what they will do on the
>>>destroyed temples in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
>>
>>You got to be joking !!!!! if all *hindus* think like you,
>>than god save the minorities in India.
>
>Coming to minority rights, what about all the atrocities committed
>on the Hindus in Pakistan? The government of Pakistan encouraged this
>by officially declaring a protest day. This is a heinous act by any 
>standards.

I have condemned the inaction by the pakistan goverment in previous articles
The indians must look at there own country, to understand the problem.
Blaming other countries for there inaction is running away from the problem.
The same way pakistani politicians blame India for mishaps ..............

>
>>You destroyed a mosque, pay for your crimes.
>
>What about all the crimes committed and the temples destroyed by the 
>barbaric muslim invaders who invaded India? Don't you think muslims
>should pay for all thise crimes?

Maybe you misunderstand me, when the mosque was demolished, there was bound
to some fallout, dont put all the blame on Pakistan. Because if
no mosque had been destroyed no temples would have been ...........


ust punish all "all babaric muslim invaders" if they are still alive. One of
them was in Karachi a few months ago.  Send me e-mail if you want his address.

>
>>The people responsible for all the bloodshed and destruction are the *hindus*
>>( hindus with *'s, not all of them).  Why are you holding other countries 
>>responsible for it.
>
>Muslims are to be equally blamed for the situation in India. They abused
>the privileges available to them as minoroties.
>

Muslims in India, that is an internal indian problem ..............

>***** stuff deleted *******
>
>>>Indian Govt...again has showed its lack of balls.
>>>Afterall the Hindus are *EXPENDIBLE* in the eyes
>>>of our vote hungry Govt.
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:02:29 GMT

In article <lj3u5aINNt1l@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan
Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.170925@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed
Khan) writes:
> >In article <lj1vblINNo1j@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed
Irfan
> >Hyder) writes:
> 
> A Pakistani criticizing his founding father looks like this:
    ^^^^^^^^^
> 



By the way I'm not Pakistani. I'm Indian.




> >> A father presented a second hand car to his son. The son turns out
> >> to be a spoiled brat, who in his intoxication, and rashness rams and
> >> destroys the car in an accident, and in the process looses his one limb.
> >> 
> >>Then, he starts criticizing his father for having presented him the
> >> second hand car  in the first place. He conjectured
> >> that had he been given a Mercedes, he would not have lost
> >> the limb because the Mercedes is much more sturdier and strong!!!!
> >> 
> >
> >However in this thread, though it is unproductive to fight over events which
> >took place in '47, one cannot reject the lessons which can be learnt by an
open
> >and  honest appraisal of people/politics of '47, only because events of
those
> >years are relevant to issues today and do affect present day society.
> 
> The lessons of this history are simple, and as follows:
> 
> Iqbal sees a dream.
> Jinnah and his men turn it into "a" reality through hard work,
> 	perserverance, dedication and untiring resolve.
> 		[Note the quotes on "a"]
> The inheritors of the reality  destroy the dream and its reality by
>     their stupidity, selfishness, pettiness, bickering and irrelvance.
> 
> Then the inheritors find themselves in a sudden realization of their state.
> Instead of criticizing their own ineptitude, they start criticizing
> 	the founding fathers!
> 
> The criticizm, however legitimate, will never be appropriate coming
> from the mouths of the Pakistanis __ the inheritors of the dream!
> 



Thats the whole problem. Pakistan was a "dream" of but one man
which sought to play with the destinies of millions. (Reminds me of Lenin and
Co. !!)


Its so easy to conjure up visions of utopia in a "dream" but it does not take
into account the realities of life and human beings. It so easy to suggest that
muslims and hindus form a different nation, that there are "differences" which
are unsurmountable and that the only solution is to ask people to uproot
themselves from their land and forsake neighbors with whom they had relations
for generations and cause the massacre of a few millions, just for the 
fulfilment of one man's dream.

--Javed.


 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: CNC / Computer Network Channel
Summary: Pakistani/Indian Cooperation  
Keywords: Technology T.V
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:33:03 GMT


Dear Netters,

For the past one year, I, with other UW students have worked on this project
to launch a computer channel on T.V.

I, as a founder and architect of CNC, want the Pakistani and Indian community
that I am part of in the U.S, as well as Pakistanis and Indians globally, to
bring to this forum added capability and capacity.

To breifly update on the progress so far, IBM, Apple, and Microsoft have already been targeted as major sponsors. Intel, and Motorolla are currently being
pursued, and eventually over 4000 firms will be involved. 

Should you feel that you are interested in contributing and potentially 
becoming a part of CNC, to pursue technology in computer broadcasting in
a private sector, please reply by mail. 


Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:57:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <3332@ucl-cs.uucp> B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
>Repl to: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.bangladesh
>
>The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
>nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
>on 15 devcember.
>
>BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
>and injured several thousand others.
>
>QUESTIONS:
>
>1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
>not one, but five times a day by very devout people?

	because there were no namazi in the mosques. The 
	 mosques were empty. That allah didnot like.
>
>2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
>for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
>a dozen places of worship?.
>

No because muslims have realized that they are not obeying allah 
in the propeer manner. They are guilty.
>Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
>of worship in rage? 
>
>3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
>places of worship?
>
>4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?
>
>5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
>destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?
>
>6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
>act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?
>
>(It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)
>
>Regards,
>
>bkumar

All these questions have same meanings.

regards to you too.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18482 soc.culture.bangladesh:6868 soc.culture.indian:41406
From: sanjiv@cse.unl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ignorance of muslim elite people
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:44:41 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

Sorry Supratic, I know it is bad manners to pick on spellings but I just could
not resist it ;-)

f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:

> [ ... ]

>GUPTA> I accept your logic. Prophet was illiterate. May be he became
>literate after he got the massage.
                            ^

> [ ... ]
--
Sanjiv K. Bhatia		Department of Mathematics & Computer Science
sanjiv@redbird.umsl.edu		University of Missouri -- St. Louis
voice: (314)-553-6520		8001 Natural Bridge Road
				St. Louis, MO 63121-4499
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan: what can be done?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:18:20 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


             ================================================
             A Modest Proposal From The Pakistan Affairs Desk
             ================================================

Things get very ugly at scp when we are reacting to events, as we just
did with Ayodhya.  I still have not become jaded about the posibilities
of fruitful communications over the net, when it come to Pakistan.

Here is what I propose to do about it:  Let us start a discussion
about what needs to be done in and for Pakistan. I propose a self
moderated sub heading for the subject.  If necessary, I can even offer
to archive it under some general sub-headings.  

I  dont expect this to be a magical solution at all.  Most of what
 palgues us now will continue and there is not much I can do about
 that (and hence the word "modest" in the title).  This will be the
 general thrust:

1.	Thoughtful, intellegent discussion about what needs to be
	done to help Pakistan, and what roles we can play.

2.	Flame free environment.

3.	Ability to build up on each other's ideas and explore the 
	flaws in our own.

4.	Build on previous discussions so that we dont go in circles
	and rehash the same arguments.

And so on.  I dont want this to be my thing, and seek your input.  That
is why I have left things a bit vague.  It may me simple as puting
a standard title such as: "Pakistan:  What needs to be done?" followed
by a few key words.  I envision a tiny island of sobriety on scp that
will be open to all.

Play with the idea and tell me what you think.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Summary: Bengali Bhai, I want to know.... 
Keywords: spend some time  with your bretheren starving in Bengal.....
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:26:00 GMT

Dear Begali Bhai,

To me, interpreting Islam on a forum like SCP is tantamount to hypocrisy
of an extreme order. Pakistan has issues, problems and challenges that Pakistanis of muslim, hindu, christian and parsee  religions need to participate in.

Your bantering of Islamic interpretations on SCP demonstrates to the world that
muslims, and in particular Islam promotes disregard of considerations to forum., and organizational behaviour. 

Fellow Pakistanis who are non muslims and or who have to benefit most from a
forum on Pakistan are the biggest losers, as after following such abject 
preaching/Mullahism, eventually loose interest and try to find other venues
for participation in Pakistani issues.

May I suggest a trip to Bangladesh in the near future, you may help your
starving bretheren, and a little more time/energy to SCB.

Amito maake bhaalo bhashi !

Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: umanand0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sandeep Anand)
Subject: Ghalib
Summary: Mirza-Ghalib!!
Keywords: About Ghalib
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:56:51 GMT

  Hi guys,
      Someone just told me that there was an article about my sher in this news
 group.  But I couldn't find it.  Can someone help??

                                                     thanks,
                                                   THE GOD-FATHER
                                                  email: umanand0@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: jdic@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Jonathan Dick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Behavior of our users
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:47:32 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


It's come to our attention that a user of one of our systems at the
University of Rochester has posted a controversial article to this
newsgroup.  The posting was found by many to be offensive, obscene, and
caustically insulting.

We of the UR's University Computing Center apologize for the behavior of
this student, and regret any offense or injury this posting may have
caused.

We have taken action to insure that this will not recur.

It is not the policy of the University Computing Center to limit or
restrict the free expression of ideas.  However, we neither endorse or
condone abusive and harassing behavior by our users.  In this case, the
article did not express any substantive ideas, but was instead an attack
of unwarranted viciousness.  We deem this sort of behavior irresponsible
and not in keeping with the ideals of the University or of Usenet.

The University of Rochester encourages responsible use of computing and
network resources by members of its community.  We take this situation
quite seriously, and again offer our sincere apologies to those to whom
the abusive material was addressed, and the Usenet community as a whole.

--
Jonathan Dick                                       jdic@cc.rochester.edu
UNIX Consultant	                                           (716) 275-2811
University of Rochester


--
foo bar baz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:24:01 GMT


 hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
============================================================================

:harmoniously? (If that is what you are implying)

You ignored the contex to which I am replying. The statement above says that
Muslims were living harmoniously with the "masters". I am saying that
no they did not. And then I give the list of incident to prove my point.
==============================================================================


Oops I'm sorry. I misread an earlier paragraph. My mistake :)

Disregard the corresponding comments.


You write:
===========================================================================

Yes, not withstanding situation in Punjab
not withstanding the goings on in Kashmir
not withstanding the regularity of Hindu Muslim riots that
	have never stopped. Only continuously increasing in
	intensity.
not withstanding Tamil Nadu
......
============================================================================


Frankly speaking the Sikhs who demanded a special state for themselves got the
idea from the birth of Pakistan.

The "goings on in kashmir" have a lot to do with the idea behind the creation
of Pakistan and the "doings" of present day Pakistan therefrom.

Hindu-Muslim riots were not the cause but one of the effects of the two-nation
theory.

Whats the connection with Tamil Nadu ?



=============================================================================
Keeping in mind that you said that no one outlined the differences
explicitly, I would simply refer you to Iqbal's poem in Baang-e-dara
that starts with:
	Khaas hai tarkeeb may Qaum-e-rasool-e-Haashmi
	The followers of the Hashmite Prophet (i.e. Muslims) are
                                                    ^^^^^^^
	very special in their composition
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
	.....
==============================================================================




So Iqbal finally spelt out the guiding principle of his two-nation theory.


--Javed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Fanatical Outbursts!
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <BywFEp.1LJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999r9ne@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Vikram S Sinha) writes:
>I read the fanatical outburst of Mr. Shoaib Chaudhary.  What puzzles me is 
>that such supposedly educated individuals are capable of this kind of crap. 
>I personally feel that there is no difference between an uneducated 
>"dehati" from the interior of Pakistan and Mr. Chaudhary.  I know Mr. 
>Chaudhary will find the above statement extremely acerbic.  However, the 
>contents of his posting suggests a fanatical upbringing devoid totally of 
>logic and reason.  It is individual's like Mr. Chaudhary who  seriously 
>jeopardize the peaceful coexistance of India and Pakistan. Although I do 
>not condone the action taken by the U.P. government, at the same time I 
>definitely do not condone the existence and sustenance of deranged maniacs 
>like Mr. Chaudhary who are a blemish to every muslim alive and to the 
>teachings of the Holy Prophet for whom I have great personal regard. I am 
>surprised that people like Mr. Chaudhary are  able to obtain admission to 
>colleges in America and are able to spread their venom among unsuspecting 
>people.
>
>		Vikram Sinha

You don't see the problem Vikram. People back home with not too high an
education are far more passionate about religion than any of us and on top of
that have a lot less power of reasoning.So they react as they do. Being in the
US when all this is happening and our inabilty to do anything about it creates
a lot of frustration among us. Our powers of reason diminish, but not to the
same extent as people back home, and such outbursts are a kind of release for 
some of us at least. I hope you understand.


Shariq

Hail Pakistan, the world champs of the greatest game ever

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.india
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Quality and content of Postings...
Summary: I find SCI much more productive and resourceful .......
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 00:33:05 GMT

Dear SCP/SCI netters,

Only today, for the first time ever I have taken a serious look at SCI, after
following and posting on SCP for the last few months.

I am a Paki/American, and a muslim, for whome the recent tragedy in India,
Pakistan, Bangladesh, UK, Dubai and other places has taken a big toll.

As I was brought up in Dubai, having some of the best people I know to be
Indians and Hindoos, and later in US, where I am on excellent terms with
them, I PRAY TO ALLAH, that HE takes away this curse of ignorance and
illeteracy that is over the militants Pakistanis and Indians. 

I have seen articles posted on SCP from Indian Hindoos who have expressed all
different sides. And from illeterate, uncouth, and ill bred Pakistanis, as
well as Indians, who used and still use these valuable forums for their 
un-related agendas.

Having said that, I will make one last comment. SCI produces much better
quality and content of articles, especially that deal with India, than
SCP where religious pundits practice their Islam, rather than on their
own self and their own loved ones. 

Though, the religious pundits are not the only people, but also the likes
of some Indians whome I find have nothing to contribute to their Indian
forum SCI and have nothing better to do than post malicious and unprovoked
articles on SCP.

I hope we can improve both the quality and contents of SCP, as I have seen
on SCI. In fact, I would recommed Pakistanis to read SCI with SCP, and
improve SCP if only for the purpose of a better news forum.



Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: csmenta@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Muralidhar Menta)
Subject: Re: GHANDI
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:57:43 GMT

In <Byy0C3.J0o@dcs.ed.ac.uk> maya@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mohammed Ayaz) writes:

>Question 

>How many hindus can you get in a mini ?

>Answer

>6, 3 in the back 2 in the front and Ghandi in the ashtray.

>Ha ha ha.
>         ________________________
>        |                        |
>        |  BSc Computer Science  | 
this is what u r doing bsc comp. sc. and u make a joke about a person whom the entire world respects.shame on u.most articles written by u generate a feeling of contempt towards u.
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan moving forward.....
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:40:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec20.203712.13790@beaver.cs.washington.edu> hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>Recently I learnt from a friend who has recently arrived from Pakistan, that
>PCs are being quickly acquired, either in Pakistan or brought over from here.
>
>Also, that road building and communications are being persued actively by the
>federal government.
>



I am very impressed with and very hopeful about our PM.  The insecurity
of a Third World upbringing, a fear of appearing naive and/or an
irrational dislike of all things non-PPP keeps many of us from
expressing our optimism in public.  Nobody wants to sound stupid,
and to many of us the notion that a toilet like Pakistan is
actually developing is simply low-IQ hyperbole.  Well, count me
amongst the retards.  This guy is right for us.  His administration
has launched an active program in several different areas.  He
knows the value of manufacturing.  He wants to minimize the cancer
of domicile quotas.  Now if only the Neanderthal electorate can
keep itself from giving Master Asif's party another majority ....


Saad.


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