Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Oracle Corporation
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:30:57 GMT
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In article <1992Dec16.170709.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.191045.25991@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec15.084754.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec14.153345.20603@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Dec10.124204.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec8.231456.7197@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Dec4.231441.10829@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>>>>>>>In article <1992Dec4.165214.27181@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) write 

>>>>>  How many foriegn blacks have come into the
>>>>>  U.S. and made Mega bucks?

>>>> Well, I don't have a count, but you have to remember - most people who
>>>> come from foreign countries and make big bucks seem to be
>>>> entertainers.  Most entertainers need to come from English speaking
>>>> countries to succeed here, and English speaking in this context mean
>>>> relatively accentless, so the Caribbean doesn't count.

>>>  Does that include spanish speaking and asians too?

>> What?  That they need to know English?  You bet.  How many Spanish
>> It includes Spanish speaking.  It doesn't include Orientals, but they
>> seem to be able to succeed anywhere.  Look at Malaysia, for an even
>> more extreme example than the US.  I can't explain that in a
>> politically correct way, but it's a fact.

>  That's odd.  When I lived in the bay area there were oriental street signs in
>  some areas.  Out here in the southwest there are english and spanish signs
>  posted everywhere.  Many legal document are written in both spanish and
>  english.  What a great nation this would be if we could have street signs and
>  legal documents to accomodate people from all over the world with different
>  dialects.

First off, you don't seem to be responding to my post.

Secondly, without a common language things woule be really tough on
everyone.  In short, rather than being a great nation we'd be a basket
case if everything had to be translated into every single one of the
world's more than 3,000 living languages.

>  Orientals seem able to succeed anywhere?  I guess they're special.  You know
>  the chosen race.  Like some type of god or something.  Besides you know how
>  those Orientals are.  
>  "Look at Malaysia"  That is a common problem in America.  The people are
>   always looking in everybody elses backyard except thier own.
>   We still have that "naked aggression" in the U.S. and gas prices have'nt
>   decreased either.   

Well, all I can say, Seth, is that if you aren't willing to look at
all the other places in the world to see what's happened there and
make predictions about what might happen here then you are a rather
idiotic caricature of the ugly American who thinks that nothing
that we can learn from ever happens outside the borders of the USA.

>>>> However, just off hand, I do know that there is a Somali super-model.
>>>> She's done some fundraising for aid for Somaila.

>>>  I have a black friend.  
>>>  I only have one friend. 

>> What's your point?  I don't keep a rolodex on my desk with a list of
>> successful people in the US crossindexed by country of origin.

>  Joan Rivers said, "After the first million, who's counting?"
>  Omar Hall say's "I am."
>  And it's approximatley 400 years.  Roughly the same amount of time the jews
>  spent in Egypt.  Do some computing.  The hell if i'm working overtime with it
>  not being documented in some biblical scriptures(i.e. bible).

I totally fail to see your point.  What on Earth do you mean?

>>>>>  In addition, why is it that so many people from
>>>>>  all nations except Africa are in the U.S. today?

>>>> You have obviously never taken a cab ride in New York or Boston.

>>>  No I haven't, but New York and Boston are not representative of the nation
>>>  as a whole either.

>> True, but you don't find very many Frenchmen in any American city.
>> Same goes for most European nationalities.

>  You do find thier first, second, etc. generation offspring though.

Bullshit.  You find very few first, second, etc. generation offspring
of Frenchmen in the US.  You certainly find a lot more first, second,
etc. generation offspring of Africans.  Maybe you should be arguing
with ohall instead of me - he's the one who wants to talk about recent
immigrants.  

>  How many
>  Blacks in America do you meet who can tell you the ancestory of thier
>  parents?

Damfino.  I don't typically run arround asking people that question.

>  Which reminds me of an event which occured in college.  I was sitting with
>  two anglo females as they discussed thier grandparents origins.  One said my 
>  grandfather is Danish and my grandmother is Irish.  The other said my
>  grandfather is Swedish and my grandmother is British.  Then they looked at
>  me.  

>  Although I didn't say it, I was thinking my grandfather is from the Ivory
>  Coast and my grandmother is from Zimbabwe.  But I guess I will never know.

Damned if I can understand you.  Were they or weren't they?  If you
don't know then where do you get Ivory Coast and Zimbabwe from?

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