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From: dfmaki@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dean Maki)
Subject: Re: LEGION 93 (spoilers)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:30:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.001350.24616@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Typical Dox bastard maneuver.  Now, the trick is, how is he  
>>going to explain this to the REST of the L.E.G.I.O.N.?  After all, they  
>>just lost another team mate.
>

IMHO, Dox absolutely knew what was coming.  He knew Ignea had stealth and the
baby, and he knew that Stealth was going to be 'killed'.

Why else would he have his back to the screen while the death scene caught the 
other teammates by surpirse?

Whadda COWARD!

BTW....Do we know enough about Stealth's race to assume that a sword through the torso would kill her?  Maybe beheading would have been a more permanent form
or execution...

Lastly...Am I the only one who thinks that Ignea has a large butt??  Maybe fighting all these years to keep the weight off is what has driven her over the edge.

Just my .02.....

MAK  ::It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it::


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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Fast Forward #3/Steve Purcell
Organization: The Toy Box Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:24:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.020953.16559@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@masque.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <lsmith.726110916@atto> lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>>ObReview: Sam & Max fans might want to look for the latest issue of 
>>Fast Forward. It contains a story by Purcell called Toybox. No Sam & Max,
>>but the artwork is great and it's the usual mixture of weird and funny.
>>Actually, I found it somewhat disturbing. 
>
>Somewhat disturbing?

Intriguingly grotesque?

>Bloody hell, it was insane!  My mouth was agape by the time I finished it.
>What an amazing piece of work.  Fast Forward #3 is definitely a book to
>pick up, for the Purcell story alone.  

It is amazing. I think the reason I like it so much is that it's done with
with a certain air of innocence. The colors are the warm tones you expect 
from a childrens books. Most of the characters, with the notable exception
of the Mayor, are sorta cute. Then very nasty things happens. It really
is quite insidious.

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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:57:43 GMT
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization

One way that pseudo curses can take on a realistic edge is to take
advantage of an interesting characteristic of English syntax with
regard to expletives.  English rarely uses infixes, but in the case of
expletives, it's acceptable as a form of intensifier:
un-fuckin-believable!  In-fucking-sane!  Abso-fucking-lutely.  It
works pretty well with "bloody" too.  It also works with ordinary
words, and this fact demonstrates that it really is a "rule", which
native English speakers how to apply intuitively: e.g., you would
"intensify" the word "hippopotamus" as "hippo-fucking-potamus", rather
than "hippopota-fucking-mus" or "hipp-fucking-opotamus" (my personal
favorite "wrong" choice).  

Thus, if we decided to have a Faux Curse that mapped to "fuck", say,
"splork", we could use the gerund as an intensifier, hence
"un-splorking-believable".  

I'm a great fan of Faux Curses.

- Dan
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From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:14:47 GMT
Organization: UB

cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:

>Not only that, but does anyone else think that the artist on the book
>has to be the second-worst art job on any current Marvel book? (The

Actually, no.

Paul Ryan is one of my favorite artists.
And I dearly miss him on The Avengers.   What don't you like about his
work?

						Jim Perreault
-- 
Comics are like current physics...we haven't had a major shakeup in decades, 
so even the most brilliant participant today is nowhere near as famous as 
the guys who were doing it when all new stuff was being discovered. 
     					--- Dave Van Domelen
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From: wiz@maths.tcd.ie (Oisin Murphy-Lawless)
Subject: Film Noir comics (if you see what I mean)
Summary: asking about film noir comics, comment on vertigo
Keywords: film noir, vertigo 
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:06:25 GMT

could people suggest comics with a raymond chandler/dashiell hammett/film noir
feel about them. Does anyone know about the comic "the Gotham Rain falls" (or
something like that).

On the Vertigo thing, I think it is a good idea, although I do feel it's been
hyped by DC. If it provokes more thought out comic writing, that is all for
the better. But I guess that depends more on the editorial policy than on the
writers. I mean are DC going to dictat to the comic writers or are they just 
letting them do their own thing. And something else, will people be expected
to produce "weird" or "alternative" stuff, (which could lead to lousy 
pretentious writing IMHO) or are they just going to be let write whatever they
like.
I think this is a serious point. I mean when Legends of the Dark Knight first 
came out, The writing in it was usually good. But after a while we were getting
short stories with Batman beating shit out of people and just that. People
who were writing for the comic seemed to think that a "dark" theme to the comic
was violence. So are we going to get a stream of writers who think that you
should just have "weird" pointless stories?


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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here! (Revised
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:00:16 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida


I wasn't here when the form to cast your "Squiddies" was posted.  Would 
someone please do me the kindness of either reposting or E-Mailing it to 
me?  Thanx much in advance.


                                        - Sasha

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Asterix: American Translations!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:57:59 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>>>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>
>>>> This is interesting...  I have a real tough time finding Asterix books
>>>> in San Diego, so I head up to Juneau, a small town in Alaska, and of

>SMALL TOWN!? Juneau is the capital! At least the second or third biggest
>city! Geez, you Californians...think every city has to have 5 gazillion
>people! ;)

Yeah, it's the third largest city in the state!  All of 28,000 people,
and that's a lot more than when I grew up there.  It is, however, the
biggest city in the world in square miles.  Heck, the Juneau icefield
alone is bigger than Rhode Island.

-- 
Carter publicly apologized today to all those offended by his brother's remark,
"There's more Arabs in this country than there is Jews!".  Those offended
include Arabs, Jews, and English teachers.  -- Baltimore, Channel 11 News
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Cerebus.txt
Keywords: Dworkin
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:01:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <11JAN199322345910@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> dlove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (DAVID LOVE) writes:

+>  While I was flipping through the pages of Cerebus 165, I thought that this  
+>was just another cerebus comic book with ten pages of plot and twenty pages of
+>letters and mini-strips.  This is why I am saving my money and planing to buy 
+>the Mothers and daughters phonebook. 


+>Anyway, as I got to the last two pages of Cerebus, I notice the name "Dworkin". 
+>I jump up and down with gee. After reading all these phonebooks, I finally see
+>a plot twist.  Ok, I think I got a spoiler here.  Maybe it just me being 
+>whimsyical, with this being my first post.  However, after waiting for about
+>two days and nobody sees the connection between Dworkin and Cerebus,
+>I felt I had to post.

	Your thinking of the wrong Dworkin.  The one in Cerebus being
refered to is Andrea Dworkin, one of the most evil and dangerous 
people politically around these days.  Her vision of an ideal society is not all
that different from Cirinism in the book.  

	For the past decade or so, she and her legions have been trying to
get laws on the books with the supposed purpose of "fighting pornography"
that would allow women to sue retailers for selling publications that
portrayed women in "unacceptable" ways.  This would give them the means
to put in place censorship on their terms.

	Dworkin is certainly a facist.  The main difference between
her idelogy and the Cirinism that Sim writes about is that I think 
in a world (however unlikely) ruled by Dworkin, sex between males and
wymmin would require a special permit, if allowed at all.






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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Superclones
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:07:02 GMT

In article <C0HMzs.7q@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> According to a report in New York Newsday this morning, "Superman...
> will return sometime in April....And, according to one executive,
> Superman will return not as one Man of Steel - but as four.  Martin
> Stever, advertising and promotion manager for Capital City
> Distribution, said he has learned that there will be four Superman
> clones - an African-American, an Asian, a Caucasian and a Hispanic - 
> and that each will have his own book.  "DC Comics will bring Superman
> back to life in four separate comic books, one for each week of April,"
>
> Is this accurate?  My guess, knowing the news media, is that it's
> about 50% accurate.  But who knows?

Well, tying this in with what Roger Stern says in CBG #1000, it's possible.
He claims that the Superman creative team will be doing four continuing
books about four new superheros of Superman power levels, with the Superman
supporting cast still appearing. Either this got garbled in transmission
to Cap City/Newsday or Stern could be doing a coverup for the four clones
idea.

"I caught her chanting 'This little piggy went to Krypton, this little piggy
went to Metropolis, this little piggy went to Smallville, and this little
piggy was sentenced to the Phantom Zone' to the baby, after which she
serenaded her with a stirring rendition of 'Itsy Bitsy Luthor, Up The Prison
Wall'!" --Fred Hembeck, stating what his wife supposed did to their baby
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:56:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) says:

>
>Yes...that is Sue Richards.The new costume was introduced in the issues of
>Fantastic Four that had the all-white cover. (don't know the number) Reed
>Richards reaction was "Oh. That's nice. Did you get the roof fixed?" (something
>like that) As for the other's reactions, I do not know. 
>
>
   Agatha Harkness, the Richards' mystic nanny, wondered "Is it my
imagination or has Susan grown _colder_?"  I think though that she
was referring to Sue's new bitchy attitude rather than the amount of
skin she was showing.  I hope both are remedied soon.


	
-- 
"All the World's A Stage and Everyone's a Critic"
                   --Captain Flux
ce547@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: Wild Cards XII (no spoilers)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:40:41 GMT

I just got this the other day.  I'm about 100 pages into it.  It's a 
Cap'n Trips novel.  It's pretty good so far, and I'm not much of a Cap'n Trips 
fan.  In Advance Comics, the next book is advertised as coming out the
same month as this one is-- book I in a new cycle.  Anyone know when this
will be hitting the shelves?
From: Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:33:25 GMT
	<1993Jan9.084105.27623@midway.uchicago.edu> <73246@cup.portal.com>
	<1993Jan9.213339.5909@netcom.com>
Organization: Computing Laboratory, Oxford University, UK
In-reply-to: solovay@netcom.com's message of 9 Jan 93 21:33:39 GMT

<1993Jan9.213339.5909@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> And don't forget John Constantine's infamous "Bugger. Blast. Damn.
> Felching heck." from _Books_of_Magic_ #2. Of course, this was over at
> DC; and besides, some benighted editors might not know what "felching"
> is.

Neil Gaiman says that he originally wanted "Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit!" but
this was too rude.

Didn't a "Nam" writer give up because he or she was not allwed even to
pseudo-swear?

Damian
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN RETURNS AS FOURSOME CONFIRMED BY DC ON ET
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:43:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.025610.13358@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>Sorry about the all caps.
>     Four people (Teenager, Steel Worker, Warrior and Alien Cyborg) with
>Superman-level powers surface, each claiming to be Supes.
>     Apparently Superman does not reinhabit his own body on returning (or mayb
e
>fails to return) but instead one or all of these bodies.  Eventually it will b
e
>resolved which, if any, are the real Supes.

So, any bets on how many issues it takes before they pull the old "hero fights 
hero over misunderstanding until they realize they have to work together" 
trick?
Maybe I'm optomistic. I give them two.
kristoff
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From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: Re: A little anti-feminist? (Re: Cerebus #165  <SPOILERS!!>)
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:17:46 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>>Not only a female-dominated society, but a martial one (the women with
>>spears who attacked the swordsman is significant.

Martial? I didn't get that impression. In fact, I got the reverse. The extreme
overkill suggested that they wanted to rid themselves of all things martial
while they had such a good opportunity. I'm left wondering if they will
become Cirinists or a new good feminist society.

>Is it me, or do the majority of "female-dominated"/"Amazon" socieites
>presented in science fiction seeem to be even more violent and restrictive
>than our society appears to be? (Let's leave out observations on the
>Middle East, or L.A., please...)

Perhaps, with the male strength advantage (en masse), a female society would
have to keep men muzzled.

>Any other examples of fascist feminist societies? How about more
>"enlightened" ones?

Star Trek: The Old Generation had an episode where the women lived underground
and used old, no longer understood technology (with pain belts) to control
the men.  Except for those chosen as slaves, the men lived independently on
the surface, in something like an ice age.
-- 
David Tanguay       dat@Thinkage.on.ca  dat@Thinkage.com  uunet!thinkage!dat
Thinkage, Ltd.           Kitchener, Ontario, Canada          [43.40N 80.47W]
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: LEGION 93 (spoilers)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:13:50 GMT

danl@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob):
>Typical Dox bastard maneuver.  Now, the trick is, how is he  
>going to explain this to the REST of the L.E.G.I.O.N.?  After all, they  
>just lost another team mate.

Is she dead, and if so, will she get better?  Among the things this
depends on:  Does she keep her vital organs in the same place that
humans do?  Does she *have* vital organs?  

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
From: valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:27:58 GMT
Organization: Legion of Substitute Super Pets
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In article <1993Jan7.015746.14554@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.013406.28759@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.041755.14525@eskimo.com> ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler) writes:
>>>
>>>What if....
>>>
>>>Sandman was a Marvel title?  
>>
>>Death would probably be wearing fishnet stockings, spike-heeled go-go boots
>>and some sort of leather leotard.  
>
>And she'd have *much* larger breasts.

	You say this as if it were a BAD thing.

-- 
Michael Montoure \ valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu / Keeper of the Red Dwarf FAQ
   ``Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment
     factor - 91%.  Advise repair schedule: off line for 36 hours, re-boot
    startup disk, and replace head ... I've got to stop reading Usenet ...''
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From: rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Brad Rosser)
Subject: When was the destruction of Daxam?
Keywords: daxamites, glorith
Reply-To: rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Brad Rosser)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:56:16 GMT

In the latest issues of DC's Wonder Woman several references are made in
the narration to the fact that there are no longer any Daxamites (other than
Lar Gand and 'Julia') living 'now' in the 20th century.

However, I thought the Daxamites were wiped out by Glorith in the *30*th
century?  Last year's LSH annual (or was it '91) said that this was the
(retconned) reason for the 'conspiracy' within the legion plotting against
Glorith and the showdown at the end of time.  Plus, there was an issue on
the origin of Laurel, who was seen to have grown up in the 30th Century in
a normal Daxamite society.

Is this a contradiction?  What have I missed?

Brad
rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au
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From: danl@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:17:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.214018.27626@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  
dddawson@lpl.arizona.edu (Doug Dawson) writes:
>  Over on GEnie, it seems to be a fairly common opinion that Cypher
>  was, potentially, one of the most interesting characters and that
>  he was killed off because the writers (Lousie Simonson, if I recall)
>  didn't really know how to write a combat-helpless character in an
>  interesting fashion (though she did pretty well with her own
>  creations ala Power Pack).
> 
I met Louise Simonson (along with her husband Walt) at a convention,  
shortly after she stopped writing the New Mutants.  She clearly stated  
that she never had any intention of keeping Cypher dead, and would have  
ressurected him if it had not been for the intervening hand of her editor  
and newly arrived artist.  She, too, seemed to particularly enjoy the  
character, as well as the character of Warlock.  She did not seem to have  
many good feelings connected with her leaving the book.  (And, quite  
frankly, neither did I)

		--Dan'L
From: burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:44:48 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Harvard University

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
`
`And is Snuff's mind a blank because Elrod is also a
`wizard who knows what he's doing, or is it a blank because he's as empty-
`headed as he sometimes seems?

I thought his mind was unreadable because he's a man, whereas the
Cirinists have mistaken him for a woman, no doubt because Cirin
found Preludes & Nocturnes in the Papal Library.

`Is the "what was that?" in the fourth panel a result of that
`woman's surprise that Astoria reverted to speech, or was the conversation
`actually with someone else?

The first.  "Thinking out loud."  It's a joke, I say, a joke.  Dave keeps
throwin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em.

-- 
John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu)
        "Don't get mad at an elf."
From: kens@bodwin.ifs.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dave Sim and the Comics Journal
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:52:00 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, IFS Project
Distribution: world
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John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu) wrote:
: `
: "I've read Sandman, but I don't much care for it.  Is this a more serious
:  or less serious sin?" - Kim Thompson, from letter in Cerebus 165

: It's the second part of that that bothers me, not the first.  Thompson
: ironically makes liking Sandman part of God's Law, suggesting that
: some people who read it are that dogmatic about it, and that he is above
: their obsession.  It doesn't bother me that other people have different
: tastes, why be a condescending jerk about it?

Actaully, I thought Kim was reacting to Dave's comments re: Sandamn
earlier.  Dave is the one who has elevated Sandman to such a lofty
position (which I don't really think it deserves, although I think
it's decent).  Lance pointed out that the slam about liking only "parts
of the writing" was referring to the Shakespeare that apperaed in
issue #19, and I see now why Dave took offense.

Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan