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From: widigm@crockett1c.its.rpi.edu (Matthew Scott Widiger)
Subject: Re: ROTC Cadets
Reply-To: widigm@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:07:42 GMT

	I'm only an MS-I freshman cadet here at Rensselaer and don't know too
much about the ROTC, but from what I've been told, you can earn 'rank' within
ROTC, but when cadets graduate, whether they're the highest rank, or the
lowest rank, they are all comissioned 2nd lieutenants.  Whatever rank you are
in ROTC determines what role you play when dealing with ROTC activities, and
has little or no bearing on any future career you have in active duty or
Reserves.

	At least that's what I've been led to believe.  Perhaps it's different
from branch to branch? (I'm describing Army, here...)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: re:motivation
From: cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:22:06 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj001


  Hi, I'm from Det 060, 602d Squadron Harvey Mudd College and I'm the Sqn
commander (C/LtCol).


    The thing that bothers me the most is when cadets (especially the GMC) show
up in sloppy uniforms, fail to render sharp customs and courtesies, and are
lousy marchers.  We too have an emphasis on academics but the time difference
between looking like a slug and looking sharp isn't that different.  No time is
taken from studying to render a sharp salute or march sharply.
    I believe AFROTC has gotten softer over the years.  I don't ever think that
a lot of events were mandatory but rather the POC just "neglected" to the GMC
that.  Well, I have some ideas on how to tighten things up and since I'll be
squadron CC next semester, I'll get to try some of them out.

-- 
---
Daemon E. Hobbs, Cadet, AFROTC
Senior, (Carto/RS/GIS) 
Cal Poly Pomona Geography Dept.
Email: cvalj001@csupomona.edu
Phone: 714-869-3590
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: watpod72@alfred.carleton.ca (George Bragg)
Subject: Re: Discipline in the ranks
Keywords: Kinder, gentler, training destroying the military?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:03:58 GMT

In <10DEC199223484389@venus.hollandc.pe.ca> jdoucette@venus.hollandc.pe.ca (Audemus jura nostra defendere) writes:
>am now a Master Corporal in the Comm Res (huh?).  Is it just me and my 
>regiment or has anyone else noticed that the discipline and the respect for 
>authority in the ranks has gone downhill somewhat since BOTC/GMT 
>instructors were told to go easier on the recruits?

Well, sort of...

>	I'm not saying we should return to the days of the old Army (my 
>grandfather, an ex Sar-Maj, has told me enough to convince me of that), but 
>I do think we're in serious danger of going too far the other way.  You 
>simply would not believe the number of times I have witnessed sparkly new 
>Ptes tell a Sgt to settle down, or words to that effect.  Even worse, the 
>Sgt can do nothing other than stand there and sputter because of the new 
>Human-rights influenced regs.

It's been my experience (both as a non-comm and a private, and even as
an officer candidate once or twice :)) that generally, you get as much
respect out of the men as you put into them.  A problem in the respect
department is usually directly traceable to a problem in leadership.
Remember, it only takes one NCO being "soft" on the men, and they'll
expect all NCO's and officers to treat them that way.  
In addition, the "sparkly new privates" you speak of are fresh off the
street, where they're treated as an equal by their fellow men.
They're simply not used to being low rung on the totem.  It's the job
of the corporals, master-jacks and sergeants to shatter these
illusions as quickly and totally as possible.
Generally, the sergeant who stands there and sputters on being told to
"settle down" may not be sure that he is in control to begin with.  In
fact, the most effective sergeants I've known rarely (if ever) lost
their temper or screamed or swore.  The candidate is used to reason,
so you must reason with him, explaining why the military is the way it
is, and why he is (for the remainder of his GMT course) a scum-sucking
maggot.  THEN you run him until he pukes.  :)












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From: yuna@athena.mit.edu (Yuna Huh)
Subject: Re: A poll
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:13:59 GMT

In article <Bz0vyw.8A8.1@cs.cmu.edu>, hopkins@cs.cmu.edu (Don Hopkins) writes:
|> I'm taking a poll:
|> 
|>   How many of you will resign when Clinton lifts the ban on gays in
|> the military?
|> 
|> 	-Don


I know that of the NATO countries, only the US and UK have a ban on gays.  And I
think (elsewhere) New Zealand lifted their ban recently.  How are these countries
without bans dealing with all the issues that people are arguing about in this
country right now?  Has effectiveness been hampered?

The weird thing for our detachment is that there is good chance of ROTC being
kicked off campus unless the faculty think Clinton *will* lift the ban.

yuna
--
"I say we take off; nuke the site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."
        --Corporal Hicks, in "Aliens"
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: nachand@CS.ColoState.EDU (Christopher D. Nachand)
Subject: Re: ROTC Cadets
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:58:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <7hk282n@rpi.edu> widigm@rpi.edu writes:
>	I'm only an MS-I freshman cadet here at Rensselaer and don't know too
>much about the ROTC, but from what I've been told, you can earn 'rank' within
>ROTC, but when cadets graduate, whether they're the highest rank, or the
>lowest rank, they are all comissioned 2nd lieutenants.  Whatever rank you are
>in ROTC determines what role you play when dealing with ROTC activities, and
>has little or no bearing on any future career you have in active duty or
>Reserves.
>
>	At least that's what I've been led to believe.  Perhaps it's different
>from branch to branch? (I'm describing Army, here...)
>

While it is true that all ROTC cadets that complete the program in good
standing will be comissioned as 2LTs, your rank in the program will be a 
big factor as to what kind of assignment you get - if you get a 5 at camp
and are designated the C/LTC (Btn Cmdr) and do a good job during your senior
year, you will have a much better chance at getting your first or second
choice for branch assignment, and a better chance at choosing your first
tour location (CONUS, Korea, Germany, etc.).  Performance during the senior
year can play a big part in if you get an assignment at all, because your
REAL commander has to approve you for the commision - slack off during your
senior year and you may find yourself in a world of trouble....


Christopher D. Nachand   (former MSIII)
SGT  USAR
NCOIC  NESD
406th CSH, Denver, CO

-- 
Christopher D. Nachand                "We may not be able to carry a tune,
Computer Science Department            but at least we keep on singing."
Colorado State University              - Murphy Brown 
nachand@mozart.cs.colostate.edu
From: krangel@pobox.upenn.edu (Eric S Krangel)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: E-mail addresses
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:27:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi out there, it's Eric again.  I thought I could shed some light on all
of the E-mail problems people are talking about.  To find someone on the
net, telnet cs.colorado.edu .  At the login: prompt, type "netfind". 
Netfind is colorado's public access program for finding the e-mail address
of people on the net.  What the program does is you give it a name and
address, say smith usma.  Netfind will then search out every usma address
and finger it looking for smith.  A very convinient program.  Ample help
is provided in case you should need it.

However, be forewarned.  I ran krangel upenn and netfind failed to find me
on the net.  Other people have had similar difficulties.  Netfind is not a
perfect tool, but it may save you fingering 16 different usma addresses.

Good Luck.

					- Eric
					krangel@pobox.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Project Warrior
From: burns@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:59:02 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

Hello...  I will be Project Warrior Officer at Det 280 next semester.  I am
looking for some information about PW eg history, what other det's do, what PW
means on active duty...

thanks,


--Burns
From: ken@haas.berkeley.edu (Kent)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: LA Air Force Base
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:06:15 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

	I just graduated from Berkeley's AFROTC program, and I'm going to be
assigned to LA Air Force Base in January 93.  Is there any way I can get
Internet access from LA Air Force Base?  

	Berkeley has spoiled me, and I don't think I can live without
Internet access.  :-)  (I'm too avid a mudder and netreker for my own good)

Ken Tam


Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: lauusitalo@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: West Point email possibilities?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:44:45 GMT

Hi,

My friend is serving in West Point as a cadet and I wonder is there any
possibility for us to exchange email. I know that West Point has many
nodes but are there any possibility for cadets (especially young cadets)
to use email. So far they have used only PC's.

So if you have information please let me know.

Thank you

Lauri

        lauri.uusitalo@ntc.nokia.com
From: trujillo@optima.UUCP (Clorinda Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Project Warrior
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:00:03 GMT

From article <1992Dec15.115902.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, by burns@oread.cc.ukans.edu:
> Hello...  I will be Project Warrior Officer at Det 280 next semester.  I am
> looking for some information about PW eg history, what other det's do, what PW
> means on active duty...
> 
> thanks,
> 
> --Burns

From my understanding, PW means nothing on active duty...the program was
cancelled a while ago.  However, are there any bases in your area?  At the
base library in Davis Monthan they have a ton o' stuff on PW.

At our detachment, project warrior is in charge of selecting the warriors
of the month/semester and warrior flight.  I can send you this semester's 
continuity if you give me an address.  He designed a corps t-shirt and had
plans to design a patch.  Furthermore, he was in charge of the PW library
and creating a POW/MIA display case.  This past semester, I allowed PW to
plan a lead lab during which he had the GMC flights competing against each
other in a land navigation course.

I hope this was of some help.

--Clo
From: UC580591@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (Evan T. Carpenter)
Subject: Any last minute suggestions?
Organization: University of Missouri at Columbia, U.S.A.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:11:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello, I am looking for advice.
 
I am a senior at the University of Missouri, and about to graduate.
I have nine hours left for my Business Degree in Economics, and
may stay until August 1993 to pick up a minor in Computer Science.
The reason I am writing now is because I plan on leaveing Tuesday
afternoon (92/12/15) for St. Louis Missouri to take my Physical
before I enlist in the United States Army.  The position I am want
to take is 95B (Military Police) with the intention of becoming a
Warrant Officer or entering the Central Intellegence Division.  My
only goal was getting CID, but then over Thanksgiving break one of
my buddies (John Butterworth) came home from Korea on leave and
told me I should look into becoming an Officer.  Also in on the
conversation was John Payne (ROTC at Central Missouri State University).
After talking with these two gentleman I tossed in the possibility
of becoming an Officer.  Some further discussion with my Recruiter
(Sergeant Rodney Butler) lead me to the path of Warrant Officer.
My interest is Investigative Law Enforcement, and CID is what I
would like to do.  It is FINALs week for me this week but I am
always open to suggestions.  I thank you for you time, and any
information you would like to share with me.
 
Later...
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Cadets
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:08:19 PST
Organization: California State University, Fresno

In article <1992Dec13.221643.25390@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:
>
>Are ROTC cadets treated like officers or like other ranks?  Do they
>mess with officers, or on their own?  Do they have ongoing contact
>with neighbouring reserve units, or even with neighbouring regular
>units? The question of morale problems amongst ROTC cadets seems
>mind-boggling if cadets are treated as officers, but less so if they
>are treated like other ranks.

It depends (heard that before?).  When in ROTC (as I am) there the *option* of
drilling with a reserve or National Guard unit (as I do).  Some reserve/guard 
units treat cadets as 2LTs and let them act as an actual platoon leaders.  
Others don't quite know what to make of cadets and use them as gophers for the
company commander (like mine :( ).

Theoretically cadets are considered "junior officers" and are supposed to fill
those positions in reserve/guard units.  However we're paid and sometimes
slotted as E-5s.

An interesting note.  Cadets *are not* supposed to be mobilized with their 
reserve units.  This, however was waived with Desert Storm.  Several cadets
pinned on E-5 rank and went over with their units.  Now that policy has been
reversed again.  When the Calif. National Guard was mobilized for the LA riots
they weren't supposed to take their cadets (some did anyway).  How is a unit
supposed to train if it relies on cadets as full officers and those cadets 
can't be mobilized?

Marc, C/2Lt (MS3 ROTC)

--
Marc Matteo                  | AOL:       M Matteo                    (bad)
Journalism/Computer Science  | GEnie:     M.MATTEO                    (better)
California State, Fresno     | Internet:  marc@csufres.csufresno.edu  (best)
From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: ROTC Cadets
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:48:57 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <7hk282n@rpi.edu>, widigm@crockett1c.its.rpi.edu (Matthew Scott Widiger) writes:
>	I'm only an MS-I freshman cadet here at Rensselaer and don't know too
>much about the ROTC, but from what I've been told, you can earn 'rank' within
>ROTC, but when cadets graduate, whether they're the highest rank, or the
>lowest rank, they are all comissioned 2nd lieutenants.  Whatever rank you are
>in ROTC determines what role you play when dealing with ROTC activities, and
>has little or no bearing on any future career you have in active duty or
>Reserves.
>	At least that's what I've been led to believe.  Perhaps it's different
>from branch to branch? (I'm describing Army, here...)

In Air Force ROTC, and I'm assuming in all U.S. ROTC programs, rank in the 
cadet officer positions depends on what your position is.  
Corps/ Group/ Wing/ (Whatever your det. size is) Commanders are Cadet/Col.
Vice Commanders are Cadet/Lt. Col., Squadron Commanders are C/Major, Flight
Commanders and department heads inside of a squadron are C/Capt. or C/1st Lt.
(depends on the department and how many people are in it) and all other cadet
officers are C/2nd Lt or 1st Lt..  The GMC (Freshmen and Sophomores) stay
at one rank no matter what they are doing in the Corps.
The thing you have to remember though is that all cadet officer positions
change at the end of the semester.  The person who was two levels below you
one semester can possibility be two or more levels superior to you the next 
semester.
At the end though, no matter what positions and rank you held, you are 
commissioned a 2nd Lt.

Bill (I was a C/Major, now I'm a C/2nd Lt.) O'Connor

Bill O'Connor              | In the course of human events,
Marquette University       | there is always one person who
2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu| will mess things up.
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: jdoucette@venus.hollandc.pe.ca (Audemus jura nostra defendere)
Subject: Orders format
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:55:00 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: rhcohen@netcom.com (Robert Cohen)
Subject: Re: USAFA Net
Organization: Sodomy, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:09:36 GMT

Here's the whois listing from nic.  Hope this helps.

Robert

Whois: usafa.af.mil
United States Air Force Academy (USAFA-DOM)
   HQ USAFA/DFTC
   USAF Academy, CO 80840

   Domain Name: USAFA.AF.MIL

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Hewitt, W. Joe  (WJH13)  hewitt@USAFA.AF.MIL
      (719) 472-2441 (DSN) 259-2441

   Record last updated on 14-Sep-92.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   USAFA1.USAFA.AF.MIL          128.236.1.4
   BLACKBIRD.AFIT.AF.MIL        129.92.1.2
   USAFA2.USAFA.AF.MIL          128.236.1.5

   UU SEISMO CSNET-SH CSNET-RELAY

Would you like to see the known hosts under this secondary domain? y


   There are 4 known hosts:

   DIAMOND.USAFA.AF.MIL         128.236.11.1
   USAFA-GW.USAFA.AF.MIL        131.26.15.12, 128.236.10.1
   USAFA1.USAFA.AF.MIL          128.236.1.4
   USAFA2.USAFA.AF.MIL          128.236.1.5  


-- 
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Robert Cohen         rhcohen@netcom.com  <- preferred
                     rhcohen@PacBell.COM
                     tel.415.553.4033
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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: srbechte@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott  Bechtel)
Subject: China Lake
Summary: looking for e-mail address
Keywords: help finding mail address
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:29:35 GMT

 know this may be out of the scope of this group but I am am trying to find the address of China Lake mil. base.  I am friends with super user but have forgotten the address.  it is something like merlinp@something.ARPA.MIL  but can't find all the information.  Help please.  This is a base in lower cal. for mil. research.   Scott Bechtel       srbechte@nyx.cs.du.edu
  
+

  
/









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From: matocha@engr.latech.edu (Kevin Matocha)
Subject: West Point E-mail FAQ
Reply-To: matocha@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:01:28 GMT

   		  	West Point E-mail FAQ
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It seems that there is a call for information on the contact of military cadets
at West Point Military Academy.  There is probably a desire for the other
military academies, but this is the only one I have experience with.  

There are a number of machines that the cadets at West Point are attached to,
namely usma1 to usma18.   The full address will be <usma??.usma.edu>.  The
.edu domain is most likely used because it is a school rather than an actual
military installation.  

If you would like to find the account name for your favorite military cadet,
(for example, Michael Trotter), you will have to search each machine for the
desired name.  This is done by the "finger" command.  (for example, do 
finger Trotter@usma??.usma.edu)  Do the finger for each machine, placing in
the number of the machine that that you would like to try and finger.  The
names that are listed are the first and last given names of the cadets.  It
would be easiest to use the last name, since nicknames are often used for
first names.  Another suggestion is to begin fingering at usma18 and work
the way down, since the lower numbered machines may tend to refuse the 
connection.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is a description of the login names given to the cadets (from 
x51048c4@usma15.usma.edu after telling him of someone who was "found" ;)

Kevin,
     Hey!  That's pretty neat, because I know that girl.  She is a plebe in D-4
(I am in C-4) the company next to mine.  I met her the other day because she 
was studying with a plebe in my company.  I might have explained this before, 
but the x63215d4 is this.  The first NUMBER (6) is her graduating year (96), 
and the 3215 is her student id code and the D4 is her company.  Neato...have to
study...later...


                         Jimmy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have any trouble locating a cadet or would like more information,
contact me at <matocha@engr.latech.edu> and I would be glad to help.

Regards,
Kevin matocha@engr.latech.edu

PS - If you get a chance, send a message to Jimmy <x51048c4@usma15.usma.edu> and
give him some motivation or something, it's rough up there!  :)  Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:40:00 MST
From: ron@bert.cs.byu.edu (Ron Snyder)
Organization: BYU Computer Science
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Pros/cons of Warrant Officer vs. Commissioned?
Distribution: usa

I'm wondering if anyone will comment on the differences between 
being a warrant officer vs. a commissioned officer in the army.
I've joined the army to pay back my student loans, which means
that I will be _enlisted_ for at least 3 years, but after that,
I am planning to at _least_ apply for a warrant officer training.
Several people have told me to skip being a warrant, and to apply
to OCS instead.  Comments?  

My specifics are that I will be a 74F, and I would really like to
stay close to the computer side of things (I'm a CS student right
now).  I've heard that a warrant officer has a _much_ better chance
at staying with their MOS than a commissioned officer does.

I've heard that a commissioned officers wife has to put up with a 
lot of junk because her husband is an officer (like hosting parties
and stuff like that).  

I'd like to hear mostly about the generalities of warrant vs commissioned,
but welcome replies about my specific situation, also.

--
Ron Snyder <ron@bert.cs.byu.edu>   <snyderrj@coned1.byu.edu>
****************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: watpod72@diana.carleton.ca (George Bragg)
Subject: Re: Discipline in the ranks
Keywords: Kinder, gentler, training destroying the military?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:31:44 GMT

In <11DEC199215375379@venus.hollandc.pe.ca> jdoucette@venus.hollandc.pe.ca (We come in peace. Shoot to kill!!!) writes:

>	So, the original question remains...is discipline in today's army
>getting dangerously slack, and if so, is it our fault or is it the policy 
>of the government.  And if it is the policy, what can be done to change it?

I don't think (at least, I hope!) that the government's policy is to
create a slack & idle force which cannot fight their way out of a
paper bag.  I'd say the real problem is compound:
1) the recent court decisions against the forces in various human
rights cases, basically saying everybody IS equal, despite what the
army may think.
2) budget cutbacks, leading the senior staff to wonder wether the
government evern CARES about the forces any more.  Combine this with
more and more peacekeeping missions, and even I get confused.
3) NCOs really aren't the same as they were ten or twenty years ago.
They're told to "keep in touch with the feelings of the troops"
whatever that means.  This creates confusion about just where
everybody fits in the rank structure.

Basically, the military force is in transition right now.  Where it
will end up, I have no idea, but 5 years from now there will be
totally different attitudes prevalent from what we had 5 years ago.
Back then, there was a clear mission: kill the russians.
Nowadays, nobody knows what the mission of the CF is, so everybody's
confused.  All that can be asked of the NCOs and junior officers right
now is, do the best you can with what you have.