From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Sexuality and Social Attitudes (re: soc.nude)
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:37:33 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>-middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>->How about adding a new news group called "soc.nude" which can take all
>->the discussions about social nudity and its impact on society and its
>->sexual ramifications.  IMHO, I would like to see rec.nude as a place
>->where we can share stories about first time nude adventures, finding
>->new places, etc., etc. and not have to deal with all the extra baggage.
>
>ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>I'd like to point out that you are the author of the BRA survey - and maybe
>>the Breast things? Or have contributed.
>
>Once again, totally incorrect.  You see, you really don't pay attention to
>what you are reading before you post, do you?

Pardon me, If you did not initiate it, then you posted replies under the
thread, so I misunderstood.

>>I don't know why , but I sense you are uncomfortable about something.
>
>Yeh, Eric, I got so many sexual hangups it would make your head spin.

Then don't project them into a reason as to why issues of sexuality,
concerning public rejection of nudity, are not appropriate here.

>>Please let us agree: NO cross posting to alt.sex; 
>
>How about this -
>Please let us agree: Put SEX articles in alt.sex and NO cross-posting to
>rec.nude.

I have no interest in most of what goes on in alt.sex.
Moreover, I have published a completely reasonable way for the topic
to share this space in a way that those who do not wish to consume it,
do not have to. This isn't good enough for you. You want to suppress
the thread altogether. Run to Mommy (the charter, which I admit I haven't
read) and get her to make me go away. Damn it Middleton, quit reading it
if you don't like it. Your hysteria is not different than Andrea Dworkin's
is, is what it's getting to look like to me. To hell with her and her values.

Own yourself. Go out under the stars and be quiet, and think about what you
are doing here. And think about why (a) you won't quit responding to what
I write, (b) you won't take the obvious path of killfiling me, or the thread
itself. I *exist* here just as you do. I say enough to reinforce other people
here, and I am offering people some empowerment here to get strong in refusing
to build their own coffins. Why take that away from the (many,few) who find
it encouraging? Why not go back and look in the mirror, and see how grim you've
been made by the things I attack so strongly? Just think.

>And for those of you that don't understand my anger it is not based on a
>disagreement with Mr. Eric C. S. Dynamics opinions but on the obvious
>fact that he proclaims to be fostering discussion while merely looking
>for affirmation of his own opinions and using a shotgun approach to 
>posting in hopes that a few hit the mark.  IMHO he has ignored the charter
>of this group and after this flame I will be adding
>			/ecsd@tfs.com/h:j 
>to my kill file.
>
>My apologies for posting this.  I will now sit back and take my medicine.

Not if you're killfiling my replies - hah!

I hope you will seriously think about the flames you get from me.
If there is anything to your point of view, then quit hiding behind some
notion of what is permissible to post here, as to whether it is appropriate.
I am out on a limb, but it is a limb I have thought out. If I am not
writing 'feel-good' stories about nude-beaches, maybe I don't want to have
to drive 60 miles to the next place it is legal to remove my bra in public,
or to admit visually that I have genitals.

I think holistically. So rec.nude is not the best forum for the discussion,
but it contains more sex-positive people than are to be found even in soc.bi!
I'm developing these theories here in the net. And yes, I'm writing for myself
to feel good. I am also telling the truth as I see it. And I am watching to
see echoes from out there about the things I write. If I have reinforced even
one other person to stand up for themself against a blind society, then it
makes me feel good. Maybe if enough people read my posts and get severely
pissed at why they have to keep dodging laws and police and their fellows,
enough people will get sufficiently polarized to go out and tear things up
in their favor. THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. Time for Men & Women to quit being
'nice' and 'polite' while the society at large steamrolls them. I live 20
minutes drive from Lake Anza. No nude beach there. Maybe if enough *flaming
assholes* like myself challenge society's sick values, there could be in
a few years. As it is, nudists are still *weird* attention-drawing people.
So Fuck That. There is a connection, because all things are connected -
and these issues quite closely.

Be true to what you say, and quit replying. You are not contributing to
this thread. Post more location and nudist-news items and get on with *your*
life.

-ecsd
King of the "killfile this asshole!!" usenetters
A severe cross to bear, and I bear it not lightly
(gales of laughter)
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