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From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Subject: Re: AG Hotel sites
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:51:48 GMT

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

>So, what do you all thing about this?  If the 1994 AG were to be at a Hyatt,
>would that keep you from going?

I know the organizers, and they are drawing on the talents of people in
multiple local groups (CT, MA, and NH) to put it all together.  I'll be
heavily involved myself, though I am not now, but I suppose that means
I'm biased.  

Anyhow, I've got full confidence in the organizers' ability to anticipate
problems and mobilize people to get them fixed in advance.  The overall
high quality of our RGs in New England is good evidence of this, and
the commitment of a large number of us to go to this year's and next
year's AGs to observe, learn and promote is better yet.

-rich

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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Sociable Ms
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:26:58 -0500

cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:

CJD> Anyone who has been to an AG or RG
CJD> will attest to the fact that most Mensans are anything but unsociable.

Unless "most Mensans" attend AGs or RGs, this is not a valid conclusion, as
the sample space is pre-selected for the more sociable subset of Mensans.

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From: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Subject: Re: Famous Mensans besides Isaac Asimov and Mel Lazarus, Chekov (ST)
Summary: A random nit
Reply-To: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:35:53 GMT

In article <94140@bu.edu> schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier) writes:
>Besides the three guys (CHekhov from Star Trek that is Mel Lazarus draws
>the Momma cartoon) who else, who is famous, is in Mensa?

Really? Pavel Andreievich Chekov is a Mensan? Is that canon?

tsahib, on the right, Slightly Silly





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From: ph@venturi.ama.caltech.edu (Paul Hardy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Dorky Yellow Map Pin (was Re: Being ashamed of being in Mensa)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:15:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: venturi.PH.92Aug14121521
Organization: California Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.025919.4560@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

>   Reading this string I was wondering what this DORKY YELLOW MAP PIN was.
>   I expected something like a tie tack intended for the lapel with the Mensa
>   logo for some reason.  Now that I just got mine and I see it really is a
>   DORKY YELLOW MAP PIN I can see as a previous note pointed out it wasn't
>   intended to be worn, anyone who actually wears it needs to be retested.

Maybe you could simply use it as a map pin, to keep track of where the
next party is!  Think of it this way: you're going to a party on Friday.
But since you're bright and think ahead, you realize that there's another
party on Saturday and you might not be in the best shape to remember the
details then.  So, you take your dorky yellow map pin and stick it in a map
where Saturday's party will be before taking off Friday evening.

				--Paul
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From: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: the 10 digit puzzle
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:43:50 GMT
Reply-To: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

1 - I'm guessing it's 96420 * 87531
2 - I'm guessing one answer
3 - The bigger digits should be as high up in significance as possible.
    The numbers should be as close as possible, and after the 9 and 8
    are positioned, the rest are placed so the higher of each next pair
    goes to the '8' number so it multiplies the bigger '9' number.
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                  changed my mind.
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: SAT percentiles
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:48:44 GMT

In article <B5745D0980003377@ccfvx3.draper.com>, skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
>                         SAT Population   General Population (estimate)
>                         --------------   -----------------------------
>          1350   98%         97.7                99.4
>          1400   ?           98.0                99.7
>          1450   ?           99.6                99.9
>          1500   ?           99.9                99.97
>          1520   ?           99.94               99.985
>          1540   ?           99.975              99.995
>          1560   ?           99.990              99.998
>          1580   ?           99.996              99.9993
>          1600   ?           99.9995             99.9998

Are you sure?  Last that I heard, the triple nine society requires 1504
on the SAT for admission.
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From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Dorky Yellow Map Pin (was Re: Being ashamed of being in Mensa)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:15:08 GMT

Mike Steiner writes:

>In the 1960s and early 70s, someone was selling yellow plastic balls to
>Mensans to put on car antennas so we could recognize each other when passing
>on the highways and byways.  I don't know how many people bought them (I 
>didn't), but I have never seen one in use.

  Sounds like a neat idea. I would have bought one. (:

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From: nielsen@crd.ge.com (Paul E. Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Another math question (was Re: Mensa math question)
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:14:02 GMT
	<1992Aug15.132203.49077@news.th-darmstadt.de>
Organization: GE Research, Schenectady NY



> Problem:
> ========
> 
> Given the set of ten digits from 0 to 9: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
> 
> i)   Combine the digits to two numbers x and y and use every
>      digit only once.
> 
> ii)  Without loss of generality: x > y.
>      (Because the numbers are always different!)
> 
> iii) Which are x and y with the maximum product.
>      Examples:
> 
>          4567890 * 123 = 56185047    # first try
> 
>         124689 * 3075 = 383418675    # second try is better


Well, it requires only a little bit more thinking and a combination
function, but I found the following solutions in under 1 second on a 
SPARC 1+.

> a) How many solutions exist?
> 
2

> b) What is/are the solution/solutions?
> 
8439739020 =  875310 * 9642
8439739020 =  96420 * 87531 

> c) What is the principle, which is the reason why your first
>    solution is wrong?
Brute force is sufficient.

I won't reproduce the code, but the algorithm used is:
  l = {0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9}
  max = 0
  for i from 0 to 10
     x = C(l,i)
     y = l - x
     for px in Permute(x)
     for py in Permute(y)
        nx = Convert_ordered_set_to_number(px)
        ny = Convert_ordered_set_to_number(py)
        if (nx * ny) > max
           max = nx * ny
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Mensa math question
Organization: The Cat Factory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.034235.27548@unixg.ubc.ca> Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca writes:

}I have an invite to a party. All that I know is the name of the street on
}which the party house is located. To test me, my friends have given me the
}number of the  house in this form:

[ Math puzzle omitted. ]

}... Any ideas out there (for an elegant solution ...

Arrive late.  Walk up and down the street 'til you find the house with
party noises coming from it.  If more than one, knock and ask.

Worst case, you'll walk 10 blocks.  At best, you might make some new
friends.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
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From: blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Restricted meetings
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:03:31 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <9208062309.AA10132@ceas3.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@ceas3.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyboard of Curtis Swanson, who writes:
>
>> In article <1690@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax) writes:
>>
>>> It seems to me that the concern should be focused on the persons with the
>>> deadly weapons/skills rather than on the weapons themselves.
>>
>>A not-so-minor nit (IMHO).  I'd worry more about the weapons because they can
>>potentially fall into the possession of anybody at the gathering.  The skills
>>of a martial artist remain with that person and, unless you really 
>>check/screen your guests, you'll almost always have someone capable of 
>>easily killing/injuring others......

If you are at a MENSA meeting, with some of the most creative/intelligent
people in the world, most everyone who cared to think about it would be
able to easily kill/injure others.

>  I gave the matter some careful thought and came up with the conclusion that
>  most kitchen implements can be a cause for concern:
>
>  (1) spoons -- can be used to gouge another guest's eyes
>
>  (2) forks -- can be used to stab another person
>
>  (3) knives -- more stabbings
>
>  (4) chopsticks -- can be used to poke one's eyes
>
>  (5) soup spoons -- see (1)
>
>  (6) plates -- bash another on the head
>
>  (7) bowls -- see (6)
>
>  (8) pots and pans -- see (7)

(9) stoves -- when properly abused become timebombs

(10) draino and aluminum shavings -- see (10)

(11) pots and pans -- for holding damaging liquids

(12) spoons --  see (11)

(13) bowling balls -- see (8)

(14) any length of cloth -- restriction of the respiratory system

(15) closets -- while not initially fatal when properly abused see (14)

(16) any amount of knowledge -- already known to be dangerous see (1)-(16)
						regressively dangerous too.

>  In light of this, maybe there shouldn't be any Mensa meetings at all.

I suppose we could press the point even further.

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From: werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Student: Teach Thyself
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:05:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.

First, a side comment.  Tomorrow is my last day physically at alliant.com,
I leave for a contract job at DEC.  (Will be interesting to watch DEC
struggle with the transiion they should have made years ago....)  I expect
to show up again once I get settled there.  Keepers of Mensan Email lists
please take note!

Hmm.  Don't have much to add to GMS's comments.  I mainly wanted to mention
I'll be off the air for a bit and didn't want to create a new subject
line.  (Like Subject: r.o.m: I'm leaving! or Subject: Werme abandons Mensa")

CUL

In article <1992Aug19.170550.7821@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <Bt6u16.6sK@world.std.com> rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:
>>werme@alliant.com (Ric Werme) writes:
>I contend that too much time is spent on too-little-used skills.
>I would place logic and reasoning at the top.  I would place a foreign
>language somewhere near the bottom.  I considered it fun, but I have
>used it for very little in my life.  And thinking seems to be very
>useful, albeit unpopular.

My father teaches an Intro to Computers course at Plymouth State College in
New Hampshire.  He is continually amazed the amount of effort students will
expend to avoid a little thinking.  His course is on word processor,
spreadsheets, etc. and one favorite assignment is to have students print
a document with a long line length and then short line lengths.  He
assigns this right after teaching header and footer commands, but
invariably there are some students who type in the headers and footers
manually for both documents.  (And aren't clever enough to get them
precisely the same!)

So you have the problem of teachers who don't know how to teach thinking
and students who refuse to think.  Of course, these are college students
with curiousity killed long ago.  Gotta find some younger students and see
if they're willing to learn to think.

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Densa Annual Molting
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:07:16 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Aug16.032639.4799@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager) writes:

>This came in over the ether.  I can't be sure who wrote it.  I pass
>it along for your edification.

>-- Mike 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------

[.....amusing Densa story deleted......]

NB. there really is a Densa, at least in the UK
Details are going on sci.skeptic sometime today

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Densa Annual Molting
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:03:43 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <93796@bu.edu> schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier) writes:


>Hey how can I joing Densa!!

>Regards
 
YOU MISSED MY POSTING OF ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO????????

Well the info is being repeated in about 5 minutes from now on sci.skeptic 
where somebody else asked, so get down there and check it out!


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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Dangerous Kitchens
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:25:56 -0500

blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger) writes:

D> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:

DA> Easily concealable, very lethal even in the hands of the unskilled,
DA> dangerous to all around in the hands of the unskilled, works at a
DA> distance, can often go through the intended target (and walls, or miss or
DA> richochet) and hit innocent
DA> bystanders, etc.  It is a far more innately dangerous object than any other
DA> common weapon.

D> This is about the pressure cooker right?

Naah, pressure cookers aren't easily concealable on your person.  Unless maybe
you wear a tent for a shirt.
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Bad Joke
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:30:45 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug17.211903.5059@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
> 
> In article <Bszq1B.D8q@acsu.buffalo.edu> blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger) writes:
> }
> }What are the chances of getting Mensa to support
> }The Libertarian Party?
> 
> Somewhere between nil and zero.  By charter and bylaws, Mensa holds no
> opinions, champions no causes.
> 
> There's probably a Libertarian SIG, though.

There is one.
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Dorky Yellow Map Pin (was Re: Being ashamed of being in Mensa)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:40:57 GMT

In article 17212@caeco.mentorg.com, randall@riffraff.slc.mentorg.com (Randall S. Krebs) writes:
>
>Now, just what the hell is this?  I send in my 39 bucks and I get
>a letter welcoming me to the organization, an official membership
>card, and a DORKY YELLOW MAP PIN to be worn on the lapel?!!  Has
>it always been this way?  Do all of you card-carrying M's know where
>your DORKY YELLOW MAP PINs are?  Maybe one of you old-timers can
>fill me in on this issue.  There's got to be a great story behind
>it somewhere.

Reading this string I was wondering what this DORKY YELLOW MAP PIN was.
I expected something like a tie tack intended for the lapel with the Mensa
logo for some reason.  Now that I just got mine and I see it really is a
DORKY YELLOW MAP PIN I can see as a previous note pointed out it wasn't
intended to be worn, anyone who actually wears it needs to be retested.
Or maybe if you really can apply it to your lapel without stabbing yourself
you are smart enough to remain a member.

I noticed it comes stuck in a piece of cardboard that appears to be cut out
from a department store clothing box.  Ah, recycling.  Or maybe this is another
sneaky way for New York City to get rid of its garbage...

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom)
Subject: Re: Mensa math question (part way there)
Organization: University of Utah STACC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:44:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.034235.27548@unixg.ubc.ca> Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca writes:
>The house number has 3 digits. The sum of the first two digits, multiplied
>by the sum of the last two digits, multiplied by the sum of the first and
>last digits, all divided by 3 is the same as the house number. Can I find
>the house?
>
>If the digits are x, y and z, the above condition can be written as:
>
>(x + y)*(y + z)*(x + z) = 3*(100x + 10y + z)

I can go a little bit farther, but I'm not sure an ~elegant~ solution is
possible.

1) z must be even.  The only way for the Product of Sums (which I will
   now call S) to be odd is to make all terms odd.  Look at (x + y).
   It can only be odd if one of the terms is even and the other odd.
   If x is the odd one, then the only way (x + z) can be odd is if z
   is even.  But then (y + z) would be even.  By symmetry, the S must
   be even.  Since the House Number (N) is multiplied by 3, dividing S
   by 3 to get N still gives an even number.

Now I will use the term M1 to mean the set of integers that fit the form
3n+1, M2 for 3n+2, and M3 for 3n. (yes, I know M0 seems logical, but
it doesn't look as nice!)  The lower case is a member of that set.

2) x, y, and z cannot all be of the set M1.  Nor can they all be of
   the set M2.  Assume that they are in M1.  Then S=(m1+m1)*(m1+m1)*(m1+m1).
   All of the terms would become m2.  Then S could not be evenly
   divisible by 3.  The same argument hold for the M2 case.

Using the same style as 2), you can show that the digits can't be of
the form (M1, M1, M3), or (M2, M2, M3).  Last night, I thought I had
a proof that one of the digits must be in M3, but it evaporated with
the light of day.  Oh, well.

3) x + y + z > 9.  Since N is a 3-digit number, S > 300.  Since the maximum
for sum product xyz=S and x+y+z=Constant is when x=y=z, we can assume
all terms identical.  Then (x+x)(x+x)(x+x)>300, or 8x^3 >300.  x^3 > 37.5,
so x > 3.

I thought I had a similar proof saying x + y + z < 22, but once again,
poof!  It is true, but only be inspecting the local endpoints (499, 788),
and verifying that the sum was > 3000, which it can't be.

Anyway, I hope that this can help someone else out.

>ps: Answer available on request :-)
>
>Sundar

Have fun!
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Restricted meetings
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:10:09 GMT

In article <713808447.F00002@blkcat.UUCP>, Craig.Wagner@p2.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Wagner) writes:
> 
> 
>   TP> In article <14977@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike
>   TP> Steiner) writes:
>   }> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>   }> 
>   }> }... there was one person who was not welcome to some people's homes
>   }> unless he }could prove that he was not armed--and since he refused to
>   }> go anywhere }unarmed, he never went to those people's homes.
>   }> 
>   TP> }... He was the only person in the group known }to go armed.  He was
>   TP> told that if he would leave his weapon at home or in }his car, he
>   TP> would be more than welcome in those people's homes.
> 
> I suggested the same thing to the same person to whom others here have referred
> when I hosted events many years ago, and had it pointed out to me that leaving
> the weapon in the car was _not_ necessarily a very good idea, for a number of
> reasons.  

Leaving it in his car was one of a number of options.  The point was that he was
more than welcome so long as he did not have his weapon with him.  If he didn't
want to leave it in his car, he had the option of leaving it elsewhere.  However,
the option that he invariably chose was not to attend those events where he was
not permitted to bring his weapon.  When I hosted some events, a number of people
called to ask me whether he would be there.  I replied that I did not know, but
if he did come, I would be not turn him away, nor I would not ask him whether he
were armed.
From: peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Mensa math question (part way there)
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:01:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I keep seeing the answer '000'. 000 qualifies neither as a "number", nor as
a _house_ number.  Let's at least stick to the parameters of the question!

By the way,  I recently heard a story that a bunch of Mensan's waiting for
their planes at SFO occupied their minds by figuring out how to get the salt
and pepper back into the proper containers (someone had put the salt into
the pepper container and vv).  When they had succeeded in carrying out the
transfer they turned to the astonished waitress who said, "Why didn't you
just switch the caps?"

Is this the start of a bad trend?


-JP

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