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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:54:22 EDT
From:         "Bruce B. Harper" <BHARPER@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:47:42 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>	Hee!  The dingdong has confused the Computers and Academic
>Freedom group with the EFF.  Aside, of course, from the fact that
>he has no idea what he is babbling about.
>
>Rita

   I didn't mind Carl's post about what universities were doing to
limit freedom (his opinion) even though I wondered what it had to do
with operating a CWIS.  I didn't mind Gary Warner's post in response
to Carl, because he did make some good points.  But this flame from
Rita Marie Rouvalis is offensive to me because it adds nothing to any
discussion on CWIS and because I see no point in publically ridiculing
someone by claiming "they don't know what they are babbling about."
  If Rita and Carl, et al want to debate this issue on and on, then it
should be carried to e-mail.  As for CWIS, unless there is something
else constructive to be said (such as a defense of why a computing center
might want to control its resouces, budget crunches and disk space problems
and all), then I would see that appropriate for discussion. But the flames
should end sometime before lunchtime today.
                                                   Bruce


  Administrative Display System      Bruce B. Harper, Manager
  130 Smyth Hall, Institutional Research
  Virginia Tech,  Blacksburg, Virginia  24061-0433
  (703)231-4373
  BHARPER@VTVM1 (BITNET) or BHARPER@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Internet)

  (Yes, that Virginia Tech that made Carl's list of bad guys)
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Please unsubscribe me from this listserv?  Thanks.
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	Good move Jesus.
From: ec2mpe@SUNC.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (M England)
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Subject: CWIS SOFTWARE
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:39:23 GMT
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I'm a postgrad student at Sheffield University looking into all aspects of CWIS
software for the British Universities market. Can any one give me any leads on
companies that provide CWIS software or on Universities that sell their CWIS
software. I would like to know as much information about these companies
(names, addresses etc.) and if possible a TELNET site address so I can look at
the systems.

YOUR M.England.

e-mail: ec2mpe@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
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From:         Allen Porter <ousap@TREX.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

Sort of as a follow-up to Kathy Fernandez's message, does anyone know of
any lists that deal with VTX itself?  We have just started trying out
VTX.

Thanks!

Allen Porter
OUSAP@MSU.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU
Montana State University
From: ec2mpe@SUNC.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (M England)
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Subject: Re: Software Recommendations for CWIS[A
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:48:38 GMT
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>
> Try Ring Medical.  Tom Crider 508-670-2100
>
> I have our system and software interfacing to the telephone switch,
> voicemail, e-mail, hospital's IBM and computering center IBM,
> it also has the capability to interface with fax.
>
> Maybe Tom can help you.   bj
>
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:20:20 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
              92 4:05 pm

> ooooooppppssss.....this went back to CWIS.....but we love you anyway, Rita.
>     dan
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------

	Yeah, and I've already got one flame to prove it.  Thanks a
lot Dan.  I'll kill you later, don't worry.

	Apologies to the list -- that was *supposed* to be private
mail.  I'm usually much more polite in public.

	It should be pointed out that the reason Carl puts a disclaimor
stating that he is not part of the EFF at the end of all his posts is
because he isn't.  CAF simply has a home on the EFF node, eff.org, along
with other groups such as Computer Professionals for Social Responsiblity,
The Boston Computer Society, Index on Censorship, The Commercial Internet
Exchange, and others.

	The EFF normally doesn't concern itself with issues of academic online
censorship, since that is the domain of CAF -- a separate organization.

	Information on academic censorshipc an be found in the CAF
archives on ftp.eff.org.

Rita Rouvalis
Associate Editor, EFF
rita@eff.org
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:05:29 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

>	Hee! The dingdong has confused the Computers and Academic Freedom
>group with the EFF. Aside, of course, from the fact that he has no idea
>what he is babbling about.
>
>Rita

Hmm, perhaps Rita's mail software honors the "reply to" and this is an
accidental list-wide reply?

In any event, perhaps there is a better place to carry on the discussion
of censorship versus collection development versus academic freedom
versus removing alt.binaries.nasty because your network can't handle all
the traffic? Note, for instance, a healthy discussion inspired by the
EFF cross-posting on alt.censorship. It'd be nice if we didn't replicate
that discussion (or move into a flame war) in our mailing list on
CWISes.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:07:58 -0700
From:         Jeff Mealiffe <jmealif@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      UNSUBSCRIBE
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Will the owner of this list please unsubscribe me?  I am subscrbed under
the address "jmealif@atl.calstate.edu", but the hostname recently changed
to "eis.calstate.edu" and mail going to "atl.calstate.edu" is forwarded to me.

Thank you...

Jeff Mealiffe
jmealif@eis.calstate.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:27:16 -0600
From:         Peter Scott <scottp@JESTER.USASK.CA>
Subject:      Re: request for free trade agreement info sources
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@wuvmd.wustl.edu>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992, (Edward Vielmetti) wrote:

> There is a WAIS server running at Columbia Law with the full text of the
> north american free trade agreement; the source here also gives the e-mail
> address of the reference desk at the Columbia Law library if you have more
> questions.

<some text erased>

You can also connect to CU-LawNet to use the WAIS. Select 3 on the menu:

       CU-LawNet: Columbia Law School Public information service

TELNET SPARC-1.LAW.COLUMBIA.EDU or 128.59.176.78
login: lawnet
                        CU-LawNet Info System

 1 - Law Library Catalog PEGASUS
 2 - University Catalog  CLIO
 3 - Law School Info Server
 4 - Law School Academic Services
 5 - Law School Career Services
 6 - ColumbiaNet
 7 - Advanced World wide library access (HytelNet)
 h - Help message

Peter Scott
scottp@jester.usask.ca
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:52:21 EST
From:         AA10000 Wally Knapp Computer Services x4461
              <AA10%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Query: Experiences with Medical/Health Care Information Systems
Comments: To: CWIS-L%WUVMD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU

> As part of our info-system planning process, we want to find out what
> other medical/health care institutions are doing about distributing
>.....
David, you might try contacting Brant Serxner at Rush-St Lukes Medical
Center in Chicago.  He is SERX@RUSHVM.  They may be doing some things
that interest you.

Regards,  Wally Knapp

+++----------------------------------------+++-----------------------+++
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| Catonsville Community College             |  Telephone  301-455-4460 |
| 800 S Rolling Road                        |                    -4461 |
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:38:52 EST
From:         Norman <HBLADM3@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Research Foundations on CWIS

The problem may still lie in the confusion between what people do with the
indirect cost money and what they call their operations. Here we have (a) the
UConn Foundation that is a private organization that serves as a holding
company for gifts to the University and (b) the Research Foundation that serves
as the arm of the University in handling all aspects of grants and, unlike,
those in most universities retains control over the indirect costs for specific
purposes. It is quite clear that the last thing the UConn Research Foundation
is interested in doing is supporting in any fashion what might be regarded as
part of the information infrastructure.

                                       ___________________________
Norman D. Stevens                     |                           |
Director of University Libraries      |                           |
Homer Babbidge Library                |        Pax Libris         |
University of Connecticut             |                           |
Storrs, CT 06269                      |                           |
voice: (203) 486-2219                 |                           |
fax:   (203) 486-0584                 /  /------------------------|
HBLADM3@UCONNVM.BITNET               \ /
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:25:57 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: your mail
              92 8:09 am

> fyi.   notice...i'm FORWARDING this....  8-)

	I'm learning!


> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Caution:  The "dingdong" is continuing.... (nice monicker, Rita, Thanks)

	Of course, the most effective rebuttal to Mr. Gary "dingdong" :)
Warner's arguements as presented is that libraries, museums, and
educational institutions are *specifically allowed* under current law
to house materials otherwise deemed legally obscene and illegal. So,
while a university may have a policy of not housing this kind of
materials, it would not be breaking the law if it did.

	I am also left to wonder why Mr. Warner would *want* the
responsiblity of monitoring public lists.  Although there is little
legal precedence at the moment, we do have the examples of Prodigy
and Compuserve to look at regarding liabilities for material posted
to public forums.

	Prodigy, which considers itself a newspaper and has an entire
staff "editing" everything that passes over the system, is considered
responsible for everything on that system.  If a libelous or obscene
message should sneak through, Prodigy could be sued.

	Compuserve, on the other hand, does not pre-screen any messages.
A recent court decision found the service therefore not liable for
a questionable message which had appeared there and inspired a lawsuit
against CIS.

	Exrapolated, a University System Administrator that was
taking pains to "protect" his or her student body from groups such
as alt.sex.hamsters.duct.tape might be setting up the institution
for a lawsuit should "Cindy's Torment" show up on the local
news hierarchy.

	System Administrators with questions about legal matters
pertaining to the networks they are in charge of are welcome to
call the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Legal Hotline.  Our
staff counsel, Mike Godwin, is probably the most knowledgable
person on this issues in the U.S., and his advice is free.
You can reach him at (617)864-0665, or via e-mail as mnemonic@eff.org.


Rita Rouvalis
rita@eff.org

"After all, if God had intended us to read, he would have given us
  more than one book."
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:47:52 PDT
From:         "(Roy Tennant)" <rtennant@LIBRARY.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: request for free trade agreement info sources

Bruce Werner from BIG Rapids 8-) asked:
>Specifically:  My wife needs some resource/background
>material on the new US/Mexico/Canada free trade
>agreement.  Could someone point me in the right
>direction, please?

I suggest that your wife visit her local library. The
net is still *far* from being the best source of information
on most topics, especially if you don't have money to spend.
Roy Tennant
The Library
UC Berkeley
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:03:13 PDT
From:         "Institute for Global Communications" <researchdesk@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject: Re: Research Foundations on CWIS
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Would the CWIS-L list owner please contact me?  Thank you.

Howard Frederick
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:17:05 CDT
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

On Thu, 08 Oct 92 15:04:07 CDT A.J. Wright said:
>Ya know, I was about to post something along these lines, but you beat me to it
>and a fine job it was, too!!!---A.J. Wright/meds002@uabdpo

Thanx.  I am usually pretty tolerant of "noise", but it had gotten way out
of hand.  It's sort of scary to think some of these people are running
computers and CWIS's ...
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:46:00 EDT
From:         Harry Nicholos <HMN@NCSUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1

Hi,

North Carolina State University has been using vtx since 1986 and are quite
happy with it.  I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.  Please

feel free to contact me directly.

Cheers,
Harry Nicholos
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I'm new to this list so if this discussion has already occurred please tell me
where I might find more information....

My Supervisor has been assigned the task of establishing a CWIS on our campus.
She has received information on DEC's VTX. Could you please comment on this
product if you know anything about it (i.e. advantages, disadvantages, etc.).

Thank You in advance.

Kathy Fernandes
KFERNANDES@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Computer Consultant
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:53:00 EDT
From:         Harry Nicholos <HMN@NCSUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1

Allen,

There is a list for VTX called VTX-L.  I think you can subscribe from your local

listserve or you can send the subscribe message to NCSUVM.CC.NCSU.EDU (or NCSUVM

from bitnet).  If you have any difficulty subscribing, let me know...I'm the
list owner.

Cheers,
Harry Nicholos
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Sort of as a follow-up to Kathy Fernandez's message, does anyone know of
any lists that deal with VTX itself?  We have just started trying out
VTX.

Thanks!

Allen Porter
OUSAP@MSU.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU
Montana State University
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Date: 17 Oct 92 00:02:26 GMT
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              16 Oct 1992 16:53:06 -0500 from <bishop@ALEXIA.LIS .UIUC.EDU>

please unsubscribe me from this list....
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:24 CDT
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
              8 Oct 1992 11:02:11 -0700 from <JOEP@LAGUNA.EPCC.EDU>

Ya know, there must be a bad alignment of the planets or something, because
I've seen more flames wars this week than in all the time I've been subscrib-
ing to lists...

Even if you happen to disagree with Gary Warner's statements, that is hardly
an excuse to broadcast slurs against him, his school, his religious beliefs,
or the State of Alabama.  His main point, i.e. restricting access to certain
information, deserves the same consideration and respect as any other topic.
Although I tend to be pretty liberal in my thinking, I don't believe that
it's proper to assume that everyone is (or should be).

Frankly, I wouldn't have thought such a controversy was possible or necessary
on this list.  However, I assume that most of us are professionals of one sort
or the other (as opposed to teenage hackers posting naughty notes on a BBS),
so that some degree of decorum can be restored shortly.
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I am in the process of moving my mail to a different machine.  Can you change
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Thanks much;

Tamara Iversen
Northwestern University
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:47:42 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
              92 3:37 pm

	Hee!  The dingdong has confused the Computers and Academic
Freedom group with the EFF.  Aside, of course, from the fact that
he has no idea what he is babbling about.

Rita
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Please unsubscribe me from this lister    listserv.  Thanks.
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From:         Una M O'Neill <ONEILLU@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1
              7 Oct 1992 14:06:29 MDT from <ousap@TREX.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU>

There is a list VTX-L@NCSUVM.BITNET which is probably what you want.

Regards Una O'Neill
University College Dublin
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From:         "Rob Koomen, BvdU RU Leiden" <KOOMEN@RULBUR.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
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Will the owner of this list please unsubscribe me ? I am subscribed under
the address "koomen@rulbr2.leidenuniv.nl", but the hostname recently changed
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Thank you...

rob koomen
leiden university
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From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
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Subject: Networld show in Dallas runs October 13, 14 and 15
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:24:51 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

The Networld 92 exhibition in Dallas is taking place on October
13 (10:00-5:00), 14 (10:00-5:00) and 15 (10:00-4:00) at
the Dallas Convention Center.

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