From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: MUTLU cannot answer again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:00:21 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BtpGDF.4C5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>Yelling at living things does tend to kill the spirit in them.
>>>The Greek governments must be held to account for the sub-human 
>>>conditions of the Turkish minority living in the Western Thrace 
>>>under the brutal Greek domination. The religious persecution, 
>>>cultural oppression and economical ex-communication applied to 
>>>the Turkish population in that area are the dimensions of the 
>>>human rights abuse widespread in Greece.

>> Sub-human conditions of the Turkish minority? Now, let's summarize
>> what these sub-human conditions are:
>> (i): Loans for their houses and businesses
>> (ii): Free education (including free meals in the universities)
>> (iii): Equal political and religious rights with the rest Greeks.

>That is the result of watching 'igc.terror' movie so much. The governments 
>of Greece cannot camouflage an elaborate governmental and administrative 
>system of racial discrimination and harassment against the Turks living 
>in that country. 

 What? Haven't you read the above coment? You call that: Elaborate system of
 racial discrimination?

 Why don't you compare it with the "treatment" that Greeks receive in Turkey?
 I have challenged you several times to do, and you close your mouth.

>Various items of irrefutable evidence indicate that the Greek 
>authorities have violated the country's obligations by persistently
>following a policy of oppression aimed at the Muslim Turkish
>Minorities from Western Thrace.

 Give us the evidence.

>This fact is acknowledged not only by Turks, but by several
>prominent Europeans such as Professor Erik Siesby (who submitted
>a paper along these lines to the Minority Rights Conference in
>Copenhagen, March-April 1990) or the spokesmen (including Yuri
>Orlov, the founder of the Moscow Helsinki Group) for the 
>International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights.

 Give us his evedence,

>The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish
>minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with
>the Macedonians of Greece.

 The treaties, which both Greece and Turkey signed, accept the existence
 of a muslim minority in Greece.  Greece has never denied the existence of
 this minority. 

 There is no Macedonian minority in Greece. I am a Macedonian, and Macedonians
 are the majority in northern Greece. I have never denied my existence ...

>The Greeks deny the existence of the Turks there - despite
>the well-known historical background, ethnic origin, mother
>tongue and other cultural affiliations.

 I haven't seen a Greek in my life denying the existence of Turks in Thrace.

>Furthermore, Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights 
>group, had been investigating the plight of the Turkish 
>Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their findings were 
>published in a report titled 

> 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'

>The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of 
>the Turkish minority by the Greek authorities.

>In the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish
>parentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment
>with no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was
>of Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official
>was also deprived of his political rights for a period of
>three years. Each one of these barbaric and terrorist acts
>seems to be none other than a vehicle, used by the Greek governments,
>to cover-up their inferiority complex they display, vis-a-vis,
>the people of Turkiye. 

 Well, this "parliamentarian" lives most of his time in Turkey.  He has
 said to Mr. Ozal: "You are my prime minister".  This "parliamentarian"
 has sweared to obey the Greek constitution.  His failure to do so
 has resulted to his imprisonment.  And since he was elected again, 
 according to the Greek laws, he was let free. Why are you hiding this?
 Furthermore, perhaps you should write that this "parliamentarian" was
 given free education and meals in a Greek University. This is how the
 "barbaric" Greek state "terrorizes" the turks in Greece.

 Of course, Turkey is doing its best to destabilize Greece.  Turkey calls
 the entire muslim minority in Greece Turkish, eventhough most of them
 are pomaks and gypsies.  Turkey has systematically tried to use fanatic
 muslims in Greece to apprise peaceful muslim farmers against the state.
 This is a dirty game of Turkey.

>Sank in?

 No. But still waiting from you to coment on the status of the Greek minority
 in Turkey.  Answer the following:

 (i):   Are the Greeks in Turkey allowed to sell their property while
	living in Turkey?
 (ii):  Are the Greeks who leave Turkey (for good) allowed to
	sell their property?

>Hasan B-) Mutlu



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