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From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: More on my rear-facing seat problem
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:30:33 GMT

I have received many replies to my issue concerning rear-facing seats (the
fact that I cannot place it in the front seat because of the type of seat
belts I have).  Thanks for the suggestions.

It was only in replying to someone that I realize that I left out a vital
piece of information.  A locking clip WILL NOT work.  Why?  The automatic
seat belt is only on the shoulder belt portion.  The lap belt is separate
and manual.  Because of this (and the fact that the lap belt doesn't lock 
itself), there is nothing to lock the locking clip to, thereby allowing 
the car seat to twist while one is driving, thereby causing injury to the 
child because the seat isn't place correctly in the front seat and an 
accident occurs (the gauge for determining when the seat is placed correct 
is on the right side for the Century seat, so I can't see it while driving.

Because of this, I can't use a locking clip and I can't place the car seat
in the front passenger side unless I want to gamble on 1) the seat not
twisting at any time and 2) I never get into an accident (this said from
someone who lives just north of Boston).  Sorry, those are too big of
risks.

I don't know how many cars have this separate seat belt situation where the
lap belt doesn't lock, but I know the 91 Honda Accord SE and the 92 Nissan
Maxima's have this (my sister-in-law has this type of car) type of seat
belt (my SIL ignores the danger and just places her child in the front
seat, but the risks are too high in my husband's and my opinions_.

	Karen
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 09:03:14 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Values (ala political)
Distribution: usa
 <1992Aug25.130235.3817@clpd.kodak.com> <1992Aug25.191645.2211429@locus.com>
 <1992Aug25.211227.2211627@locus.com>

well, judy, "family values" as used by the right wing is often a code
word for "shoot all fags," which is why some of us get so upset with
it.

one thing that would be good for REAL family values is some support
for real families.  no more running down single mothers because they,
with malice aforethought, failed to provode their children with a man
about teh house.  no more trying to take kids away from lesbians.  no
more assumption that the only family there is is mom, dad, and the kids.
what about aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, step-relatives of
various stripes, siblings' ex-spouses, very very old friends, semi-
adopted "aunts" and uncles"?  how about extending the tax break for
being married to any long-term cohabiting couple, or any cohabiting
couple, period?  that woudl support families, in a material way.  how
about legalizing gay marriage?  that woud not only SUPPORT families,
but also LEGALIZE families that already exist.

or, another nice pro-family idea: how about not assuming that all
welfare mothers are de facto abusive and/or neglective?  (not saying
that judy does this, but the attitude is very common)

                                            -ailsa
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:15:08 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

(Judy E. Drake) writes:
>   |> I have to agree with Keith--I've always felt sorry for home-schooled
>   |> kids because they miss out on the social aspects of going to a school
>   |> outside the home.  To me, school isn't just academic subjects, it's
>   |> a whole social learning experience as well...
 
(Paula Burch) writes:
>   There was nothing about socialization before high school that I wouldn't 
>   have been better off without. What did that socialization teach me? That I 
>   was a nerd, disliked, unworthy... 

(Grace Sylvan) writes:
>Paula, that sums up most of my public school experience, including in
>high school.  Boring and socially a lose...


So, what is the conclusion here--teach the smart, nerdy, unpopular kids at 
home and leave the public schools for the dumb, good-looking, popular ones??
That would be nice.

I was pretty nerdy and unpopular in school too, but if my parents had
decided to home-school me, I would have turned out even MORE nerdy and 
MORE unpopular among my peers in the community.  I was a shy child, but
invariably found friends among the large, diverse school population.
Had I been kept at home, I would have had way fewer friends as a kid,
if any.  (Not only that, but my relationship with my mother, who presumably
would have done the teaching, would have turned out to be REALLY weird, 
and not just normal-mother/daughter-weird.)

Maybe it's because I live in a small, politically incorrect town, but I 
don't know of any home-schooled kids besides fundamentalist Christians 
around here.  (Nothing against fundamentalist Christians, BTW--I just sin 
too much to have much in common with them.)  I keep wondering where this 
huge population of socially adept and wonderfully adjusted home-schoolers 
are that I read about here.  Not in Bend, Oregon, anyway.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.lang
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: infants and bilingual training
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:47:17 GMT

(Harold Somers) writes:
>The evidence is that ALL children have a built-in natural aptitude for
>bi- or trilingualism. Remember, strict monolingualism is, on a world
>scale, the MINORITY condition.
>

A friend of mine was telling me that he and his wife spoke only Russian
to their daughter when she was young.  She didn't go to daycare and had
her Russian-only speaking grandmother as a babysitter.  So, one day
when the daughter was 4 years old, they're all walking along a riverbank  
(no, not the Russian river) and the wife says in english (so the daughter
can't understand), "Don't let Tanya go near there, there's a big smelly 
dead fish there".  The daughter adds "Yeah and it was THIS big".

diana
From: babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Continuum Concept
Date: 30 Aug 1992 12:11:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: manticore

What is it?

-- gigi

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Roller skates for a 2.6 year old, happy ending
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:39:54 GMT

Thanks to all who replied about the roller skates.  On Saturday
we purchased a pair of Fisher Price 1-2-3 skates.  I put them
in the basket without my son seeing them.  A little later he
was looking in the basket and wanted to know what was in the
box.  When I showed him, the look on his face was priceless.
He carried the box around the store and out to the car and
held onto them the whole way home.  Earlier in the day I told
him if he was nice while we ran all of our errands we would
stop at McDonalds for ice cream and he could play in the balls.
After buying the skates he got in the car and announced he wanted
to go home.  We went for a skate as soon as we got home.  I
have to hold on to him, but he loves it.  I find that even
in the locked position there is a lot of play in the wheels,
the definitely move.  Do others who have them find that even
in position 1 the wheels move??????

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:06:28 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <3880119@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> olney@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Doug Olney) writes:
>
>    We've decided to replace the weeds under the kid's swing set with
>    something more appropriate.  But what?  We'd love to do sand, but
>    I have visions of a giant kitty litter box.  On the other hand, the
>    local park doesn't seem to have any trouble.  Does anyone:
>    
>	   o Know how parks avoid kitty problems?
>	   o Have experience with sand they would like to share?
>	   
>    Of course, if anyone has a favorable report on alternative
>    materials, I'd love to see that too.
>    

I have been dealing with this issue recently. We are going to be getting
a swingset/climbing structure, and I want a safe surface underneath. I
loved the idea of sand, but have been talked out of it by everyone. Here
are some problems -

	- When it rains, it compacts, and is no longer a safe surface. You
	  will need to go out and dig it up. I have had to do this at the
	  co-op preschool, and it isnt fun!

	- It does become a litter box, unless you can keep it covered, and
	  that is doable if it is under a swingset. Like you, I figured if
	  a park can do it, so can I. I asked my mom (a nurse practition in
	  pediatrics) why kids dont have a problem with parks. She said that
	  they *DO*, and then proceeded to list a bunch of things kids pick
	  up from sand boxes. I dont remember the list, but I seem to rememver
	  ring worm was one of them. I figure my kids will be in the home 
	  sandbox even more then the one at the park and preschool. 

The surface I see recomended most is (yikes this far into the article and
I cant remember the correct term) wood chips. You need 6-9 inches deep.
It is also cheaper then sand.

Laura Floom
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Summary: one last post from me on this one
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:56:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Aug21.230306.2207237@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.153906.20265@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>
>>people are trained to handle this sort of thing.  I'm a bit surprised
>>at the huge outcry against the suggestion of contacting authorities.

>But that is NOT the purpose of the agency.  It is not funded to provide that
>kind of support.  There are other charitable community agencies that might
>have those sorts of resources.  I'd suggest that if you think the mother needs

Are you really telling me that the mandate of a social welfare agency 
to protect children does not include having information for the kinds
of support services that are available in a community?  Do you really
know that these agencies are so absolutely swamped protecting children
from deadly situations that they can't answer the phone and give
assistance in a case that is not quite a matter of life and limb?  

>We hear a lot of complaints about how we no longer have communities that care
>about one another.  I think that such a community (and I am blessed to have
>moved into one) takes EFFORT on everyone's part.  One part of that effort is
>finding out what's happening in the home of the kids your kids play with.  
>Another part of that effort is finding what resources are available and 
>turning other parents on to them.

Well, aren't your neighbors lucky to have you.  
 
>I see one and only one way of breaking out of the "tax us more, give more money
>to the government and let it take care of everyone's needs so I don't have
>to bother"  mentality we are currently burdened with.  And that is to stop

*** FLAME ON***

Oh, go to Hell.  This is out of line.  There are some problems that
_can't_ be handled by a well-meaning neighbor.  

>has no cure.  Far better to set up support networks withing your neighborhood, 
>church, community, etc.  and let the underfunded, overburdened government 
>agencies take care of the really BIG problems. 

So child neglect is not a BIG problem?
 
>Okay, I'll step off my soap box (for now).

Good idea.  I'm sure they need you down at the local Bush campaign
headquarters.  Too bad Buchannon already quit the race.

*** FLAME OFF***

OK, this is the last that I'm going to post on this thread, largely
because I do not have time to keep answering 1-3 60-line postings
every day.  Once again, I am absolutely amazed that the outcry at
the mere suggestion that a case of child neglect might be serious
enough to merit contacting social welfare authorities, even to
request advice and not make a report on a family.   

Sue
From: navon@cs.unc.edu (Jaime Navon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers and walking
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:14:59 GMT
Distribution: usa

My daughter (now 20 month) walked pretty well at 11 (not on her toes).
She used (and enjoied) her walker.

       ___/    ___/    ___/  _/     _/   ____/  Jaime Navon [navon@cs.unc.edu]
       _/   _/    _/   _/   _/_/ _/_/   _/      University of North Carolina
      _/   _/___/_/   _/   _/  _/ _/   ___/     Dept.of Computer Science
 _/  _/   _/    _/   _/   _/     _/   _/        707C Hibbard Dr.
_____/   _/    _/  ___/  _/     _/   _____/     Chapell Hill,NC 27514
  
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From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Spider Bites, my daughter
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:21:57 GMT


I'm the person who had the daughter that kept getting bitten
by spiders at day care.

Well, the day care provider found the spider last night.  It
lived in the closet of the room that Melissa used.  Melissa
used to play in the closet (hide), so the spider may have
gotten her scent from there.  

The spider would bite Melissa while she was sleeping on the
floor in that room.  The day care people sprayed twice and
shampooed the carpets to try to keep Melissa from getting
bit.

I was putting a insect repellent on her arms and legs for awhile.
Then, after the carpets were shampooed, I stopped.  She wasn't
bit until this week.

This week, Melissa had about 5 bites on her arms and legs.  This
was after the house was sprayed the previous weekend.

Well, the spider was between the size of a quarter and a half-dollar.
It was brown with long legs.  The sitter says she didn't think it
was hairy.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT KIND OF SPIDER THIS WAS?  Was is 'The Brown
Recluse Spider'?

I'm still worried that there may be a mate to this spider.
Melissa is the only child out of about 8 or so children that play
in that room that has gotten bit.  My 7 month old daughter also
plays in that room and hasn't gotten bit.

Melissa will be starting pre-school pretty soon, but I still want
to keep her from getting bitten now.  The repellent seems to work
for right now.  The sitter tries to get Melissa to take her nap 
in another room, but sometimes, Melissa is insistant on sleeping
on a blanket in that room.

IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT SPIDERS, PLEASE GIVE ME INFORMATION ON THIS.
THANKS.

Sandy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: What I was told about drinking/not drinking for ultrasound
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:32:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu


I've had several pregnancy-related problems over the past 1.5 years
and I have had a lot of ultrasounds.  The early ones required a full
bladder unless they were using a vaginal probe (in which case they
wanted every single drop of urine out before they started).  The late
ones did not require a full bladder.  I have had level-2 abdominal
probe ultrasounds that required full bladders and level-2 abdominal
probe ultrasounds that did not.  The difference is that I was 11 weeks
LMP for the first and 18 weeks LMP for the second.

I asked why.  I was told that the imaging works much better when the
beam of sound waves is sent through a uniform fluid.  When you
are early in your pregnancy they are basically using your bladder as a
nice non-distorting lens, but later your amniotic sac is right up
against your belly and they use your amniotic fluid for the lens.  The
vaginal probe points right at the cervix, so the bladder is pretty
much immaterial--except that if it is full, it can block or distort
the view.

It makes sense to me.
--
Tracy Larrabee		larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: What causes toe walking ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:01:55 GMT


I was following the thread on walkers and saw that a couple of people
said that over use could cause "toe-walking".  Megan (11 mos) is a toe
walker.  She has not spent much time in a walker... so, I was wondering
does anybody know what causes babies to stand & walk on their tippy-toes ?
I have a real hard time getting her to put her whole foot down.  When
she does she loses balance & falls.  She furniture walks great, but does
not take steps on her own yet.  Is there any exercise she can do to get
used to putting the whole foot down ?  I tried shoes, but she gets real
upset, pulls them off & throws them.  Any ideas/advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Deb :)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:22:15 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1684EFBFF.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:

 > The thing that I can't understand is - WHY AREN'T THERE SEATBELTS IN THE SCHOOL
 > BUSSES!!!  The kids need them.  Surely the driver would have an easier and
 > safer trip if the kids were buckled.  How much does it take to put seatbelts
 > in a bus?  Could the PTA have a fund drive to start adding the needed
 > seatbelts?  I wouldn't mind buying a few (at LEAST 4 - for each of my kids).
 > How much EXTRA do seatbelts cost on a new bus?  If all of us have such a
 > strong opinion about the necessity of seatbelts, then why isn't there more
 > of a push to have them on the busses???????

This is not to say that seatbelts wouldn't be a good idea in buses;
they would certainly reduce the likelihood of injury in certain types
of accidents like running off into a ditch.  And as you say, it would
contribute to the orderliness of the ride, assuming the kids could be
coerced to stay buckled up (the driver certainly is not in a position
to police this while the bus is in motion).  But in the case of a
frontal collision with another vehicle, the situation is less
clear-cut.  In a normal-sized passenger car, such a collision would
normally send an unrestrained object (like a child) flying through the
air.  In a collision between a bus and a passenger car, the much more
massive bus would tend to slow down much more gradually, and the
resulting danger to its passengers would far less.

As I said, I'm not suggesting buses shouldn't have seat belts.  I'm
just giving one reason why the case may not be as compelling as it is
for passenger cars.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: trip to DisneyWorld with 18 month old
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division


We are headed to Florida in October.  Ryan will be 18 months old, and I 
will be 10 weeks pregnant.

Our plan is to fly into Orlando (from Colo. Springs via Denver).

We arrive Friday evening (10/9) and will drive to Sarasoto (sp).  We have
use of a condo on the beach.  On Sunday or Monday we will return to Orlando.
My grandparents (who live in Niceville -- on the panhandle) will drive to
Orlando on Monday with my Mom and StepDad (Who are flying in from Alaska to
Ft. Walton Beach).  We will stay 3 nights in the Quality Suites (near
DisneyWorld) were my grandfather has booked 2 suites (a 1bdrm and a 2bdrm).
We will then drive to Niceville on Thursday morning (about 5 hours I think)
and drive back on Sunday morning and fly out that evening.  Whew!!

This agenda will give us 3-4 days at DisneyWorld.  We figure we can take it
slow and take a break during the mid-day if Ryan needs a nap.  My husband
wonders what rides he will be able to go on?  We will spend 1-2 days at
Epicot (is this a good idea?)

We are thinking of buying an unbrella stroller for the trip.  We can use
this in the airport and carry it on.  Our car seat is a real bear and I
can't decide whether to take it (do rental car places charge extra for the
carseat?).  Ryan does not have a paid for seat on the plane but at that
time of year, is suspect our chances are fairly good for an open seat.  My
husband and I booked our seats around an open middle seat.  We are flying
on United -- any comments? (my husband had a free ticket on United).

If we do take a stroller should be just rent one at the park?  How much does
that cost?

Are pregnant women restricted from some rides?  I figure I won't be showing
much at that point, so it may not be an issue.  But, is this dangerous while
pregnant?

With my first pregnancy, I had moderate morning (day) sickness from about
5 weeks to 11 weeks so I hope that I will be ok.

Thanks for any info and advice!

-- Susan Davis
   (susan.davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM)

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From: demartinib@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Need advice/info on `acromegaly'
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:01:31 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

I just found out from my mother that the son of close friends of ours has been
diagnosed with `acromegaly'.  This is described as chronic hyper-pituitaryism,
and is kind of the opposite of dwarfism.

McKinley (the son) is only 19 months old, wears a child's size five clothing,
and stands tall enough to reach the kitchen sink.

Has anyone out there heard of this?  Any information on this at all, from
symptoms, to treatment, to case histories would be greatly appreciated.  My
friends are facing an unpredicted challenge and I'd like to help them in any
way I can.

Please E-mail to DEMARTINIB@CPVA.SAIC.COM

Thanks in advance for the net-wisdom.

Brenda DeMartini
SAIC, San Diego CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Rice as a finger food?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:29:47 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <92240.115153CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

 > Douglas likes to eat rice, but is having trouble picking it up by himself
 > and has basically sworn off of spoons for the time being.  Does anyone have
 > a suggestion for making "rice balls" or something similar?  I'm trying to
 > figure out a way to get several rice grains stuck together so that they are
 > easier to pick up.
 > 
 > Chris Himes

You might try Rice Cakes, which you can find these days in most
grocery stores.  Quaker makes them, and there are other brands as
well.  From the Quaker Rice Cake bag: "Ingredients: Whole Grain Brown
Rice (Contains Rice Bran)."  For early eaters, you should break them
into very small pieces.  They become mushy very quickly once the
saliva hits.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids