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From: zhou@okra.fnal.gov (Ping Zhou)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
	<17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> <903@hobby.ukc.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:11:42 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 11:17:29 GMT, mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) said:

  M.H.Smith> The situation is exactly the same with regard to Japan and her
  M.H.Smith> neighbours. We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past
  M.H.Smith> few days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
  M.H.Smith> anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism.
  M.H.Smith> Japanese war crimes are just an excuse for racism.

I wonder where this "deep-seated anti-japanese feeling" comes from. Perhaps
that's the reason Japan invaded China, huh ?  

  M.H.Smith> Japan must aplogise for the crimes her people committed during
  M.H.Smith> the Second World War.  What difference will it make? None.
  M.H.Smith> Chinese and Koreans will still hate the Japanese; though maybe
  M.H.Smith> they won't be able to fill various newsgroups with racist
  M.H.Smith> diatribes.

Again, why do Chinese and Koreans hate Japanese ?  Apology itself may not mean
much, it's simply a gesture and a start. If they don't apologise, the hatred
will last longer and "seat" deeper.  I think it's only natual that many
Chinese people hate them after what they have DONE (not said), and not even 
apologizing.  I just don't see the reasoning in your remarks.

-Ping
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From: news@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:37:20 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL

In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>
>Which is unfortunate.  True, *governments* and *businesses*
>in both countries will run whether there is an apology or not.
>But something is lost if the Japanese government does not
>do something in facing the past.  There will always be this
>barrier between the two *peoples*.  And it will be felt at the
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   TWO GOOD PEOPLES IN PERSON TO PERSON only 
>personal level as well, generation after generation.  It does
>not have to be that way.  Germany and the rest of Europe have
>laid the past to rest because Germany has satisfied the
>requirements of providing true education to its people and
>compensation to other nations (including the state of Israel).
>
>It's true not all nations apologize and no apology will ever be
>enough.  But for the sake of the Japanese, Chinese, and other
>Asian peoples, the Japanese government must formally apologize
>and take corrective measures and the other Asian peoples must
>forgive.
>
>-- Makoto
>
>P.S.  Let's hope the Chinese government will not wait 50 years
>      to face the same thing for its Tianeman Square massacre.

All of the PRECIOUSE JAPANESE, please LEARN HOW TO BE A REAL
GOOD PEOPLE FROM GERMAN!!!!!!!

 Mr. Makoto pointed to the most crucial core of the discussion and
gave the final conculusion. Appreciate you.
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:23:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I do bot know, either. Sorry if you feel upset! I found this
problem after I posted it, and I then cannot do anything about
it.

Yunson Du
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Regarding Japanese T.V...
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:32:27 GMT
	<SMITTIE.92Aug10160135@lark.csulb.edu> <1721@hsdndev.UUCP>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

I didn't realize the ambiguity of cable used in this sense. Here in America it
is called "cable TV" because there is literally a physical cable or wire that
is run from the telephone pole to your house much the same as a telephone line.
This kind of cable is, at least as I understand, not very common and not very
popular. The main method of bringing what is better termed subscription TV to
Japanese homes is via the small disks.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:45:02 GMT

In article <903@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>      Germany and the rest of Europe have laid the past to rest because
>   Germany has satisfied the requirements of providing true education to
>   its people and compensation to other nations (including the state of
>   Israel).
>
>I'm afraid this is simply not the case. Fears are expressed here in the
>UK all the time about German domination of Europe ("They tried it
>before, they'll try it again", "Remember the death-camps", "They may
>claim to have changed but you know the Germans  -- they're all Nazi's
>at heart"). No apology will ever stop this. What has happened is that
>politicians generally don't voice these fears in public.

I agree with you in some sense, but the major reasons behind it may be
many folds. The one you mentioned is surely one of them, since the
pains are still there, and since people are afraid of the same kind of
horrible things happen to us again.

>The situation is exactly the same with regard to Japan and her
>neighbours. We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past few
>days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
>anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism. Japanese
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>war crimes are just an excuse for racism.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't understand this completely. For me, a war-hate person, many 
Chineses and Koreans still hate Japanese, for the simple reason that
the lies are continuing floating in Japanese history books. We see no
honesty in doing this, but potential threats. It is better to be prpared 
than to be sorry again. Once I came across a Japanese girl who absentmindly
said that Manchuria STILL should be Japanese. A Japanese history book even
went so far as to say "the (Japanese) troops came to the capital (Nanking), 
because they were defeated." I think this sorta thing is the most important 
cause that induces the bad feeling.

>Japan must aplogise for the crimes her people committed during the
>Second World War.  What difference will it make? None. Chinese and
>Koreans will still hate the Japanese; though maybe they won't be able
>to fill various newsgroups with racist diatribes.
>
>Malcolm Smith

The apology is not the real aim. The history books should tell people the
truth. For many Chineses and Koreans, the apology does make difference. Many 
reasonable people are afraid of the kind of things, happening in the 
ex-Sov republics and Yugoslavokia (?), will happen again to us. The war
is over, it is unfair to revenge young generations for the past. The really 
important thing is to learn something from it. Covering the crimes can't lead 
us to this goal.
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1992Aug20.013838.14861
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Aug19.232310.20659@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>>
>>My question:
>>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>>need of an apology to Korea either.
>
>Those Chinese involved in whatever you think they had done to Korea (in
>ancient time) are dead, gone, history, deceased, kick the bucket, ......
>(Unless you are thinking about Korea War.  But that's totally different thing.)
>
>Those Japanese involved in WWII are still alive and are holding political 
>powers or they are heads of important companies.

I hope this means you'll shut up after the last Japanese of the WWII
era are dead. But no, somehow I expect you'll find some slippery
reason for continuing to demand an apology while ignoring your own
country's evils. I demand all Chinese apologize to the Koreans
immediately.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
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From: macklowj@infonode.ingr.com (Jim J. Macklow)
Subject: Re: Flowers to Tokyo
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:40:42 GMT

In article <BtA046.CyK@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>
>It was suggested to me by a very intelligent chap (take a bow Bill)
>that I might want to send some flowers to someone in Tokyo. I am
>very interested in pleasing the lady , since I am also interested in
>changing our status from engaged to married one of these days. So...
>What kind of flowers should I send and is it inapproprite to send
>them to her office? She is an engineer/project leader in a high
>tech company.
>

I would tend to think that flowers at home would be better than flowers
at work.  They'll just get crushed on the train ride home. :-)

>Other questions would be... How do I arrange for delivery and otherwise
>handle the mechanics, besides just going to see the local FDIC (??sp??)
>florist?
>
>

I sent flowers to my fiancee in Japan (while she was waiting for the 
dreaded fiancee visa), from the USA.  Basically the florist said that
with international deliveries, they usually don't send arrangements.
This may have been the practice of this particular florist, though.
I ended up sending $30 worth of pink roses, which turned out to be 
a _large_ number of them (two dozen?).  They worked out very well.

-Jim
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:21:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Mr. McLane wrote:

>Under these conditions, asking for an apology might be something
>like asking the U.S. government to apologize for taking the land
>from the original inhabitants of the area of land that only later
>became known as "North America." Try that on for size and I bet
>you'll find a well-developed set of reasons. 

>The analogy doesn't quite fit, but I hope you get my point. There is
>nothing to discuss, there are no reasons to be given. The people I
>talked with believe quite clearly that Japan was not at fault and
>are being polite by remaining silent as there is no cultural
>imperative to contradict others who may believe differently. 

>--
>Dave McLane 
>JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
>Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

I got your point simple and right: you won't complain if
China someday becomes stronger and "enters" Japan, and kills
all Japanese as Whites killed Indian several centuries ago.

Do you have the least respect of human being?

Man, who can guarantee that Japan will be always stronger?
What you have siad here is really an invitation for China
to attack Japan if China finally gets the chance. Hey,
it is alright for the stronger kills the weaker. This is
a competitional world!

Yunson Du
University of Maryland
College Park
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Mimana Theory Revisted (due to the Nara tombs being excavated)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:14:18 GMT

In article <85969@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>In the previous article, Mr.Jung Lee said:
>
>>....Chinese and Koreans are pigs....
>     ^^^^^^^^
>Now what did the Chinese do; I can underwstand the Japanese beings pigs
>because of the rape and plunder of KOrea and the alteration of history books.
>
>What DID THE CHINESE DO?????
>
>the master.
>

don't you guys know??  everyone's a pig!!  guess you haven't
seen porco rosso yet. :-)

laly thao


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From: news@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:45:22 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL

In article <Aug18.233240.37729@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>
>	Ahm, just one thing.  Many people seem to have mentioned about "history
>	books" in Japan.  We DO have many history books and articles that deal
>	with the issue fairly correctly (I believe, and from those books I 
>	learned about what Japanese Army did).  I can't recall the names of the
>	books now, I'm sorry.
>
>	"History books" we are talking about are history text books to be used 
>	in high schools that will be censored before they are published as 
>	text books.  So we have ways to learn about the fact (and sometimes
>	about biased information) in Japan.
>
>	The problem I think is, it is these text books that are censored and 
>	watered-down or de-emphasized.  After school, many people just have no
>	chances to take a look at history books unless they like to read them.
>
>	So, we do have both sides of information in public, but unfortunately,
>	this is rarely the case for school text books.  This IS the problem.
>
>
>						Tetsuya Nishimura

Thank you for your cool-minded attitude again, Sir.
I have thought that all the history books were censored by government and
you enligntened me what is really happening in Japan.

From your saying, I hate the Japanese politicians and their wrong and narrow
mind, and I wish you be the one of the future politicain so that the narrow
and egg-head-like-Japanese politicians can drive Japan in the correct direction.Why does the man who want to censor the truth become a Japanese political
leaders, although there exists a man such as you, Nishimura sang. 

So we the oppressed people see two folded voices, one from public and another
from government. Sometimes they harmony in good tune and ultimately Japan
get the benifit from stereo typed manner. Of course I like your thinking
but since you are one of the learned and I believe the most of Japanese
politicians have what the truth is and they are as samrt as you, why do
they censor the history text book and teach their kids to tell a lie.
The past history of WWII is too big and important to be ignored by Japan.
I agree that all of the country have some type of censor ship but the
topic is concerned as the world topic like the WWII, they should not
hide the truth. 

To be a big brother country Japan government and all of the high-intelligent
Japanese must teach their kids the truth, then Japna can be one of
the really great nation who can get respect from all of the countries.
But as long as Japanese government and their buracrat try to ingnore
the past and misquid their new generations, Japanese will be remained as
a just ECONOMICAL ANIMAL whihc has no SOUL and SPIRIT. 

Still hope all of the Japanese be like you and be brave to face
their dark history.  

                                    Kim  from Korea.
.
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: lotteries
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:02:37 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Aug20.080443.4961@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp> d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka) writes:
>
>You can get all the prize money at once in Japan. But you can't in the US.
>For what it's worth, you get a small amount of the money every year for
>over 20 years. (I don't know exactly.)
>Anyway, anybody know why the winner can't get it all at once in the US?

Many US states run lotteries. The lottery commission (as they're
called here) has a big fat bank account. They don't want the money in
that account to be depleted so what they do allow the winners to share
some of the yearly interest on the money in the account. So you see
the base amount in that account never goes down.

When I first heard the amount given in Japanese lotteries (and the
price of a ticket with only one set of numbers on it) I was quite
disappointed. It is quite an advantage to have the prize all at
once because then *you* can put it all in the bank and *you* can
get all the interest. Even so, the Japanese prize is sometimes
lower than what a US winner will get *every* year so I'd still
rather win a US lottery with a high first prize.

I also saw on Japanese tv that the winners of the Japanese lottery are
subjected to high pressure to put their money into timed savings
accounts at the bank that issues the prize money in the first place.
Since most Japanese won't stick up for their rights they tend to
meekly follow the instructions of the bank and are not allowed to use
all the money at once. Is this true?

>I guess this fact reflects the difference about what they call the national
>characteristics of the two countries.
>
>-- 
>A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't be so hard on yourself.

>						 Daisaku Itasaka
>				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
>				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: On Japanese apologies
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug19.233634.3215@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>HOWEVER Let's talk about Japan of today. Nobody can deny that Japan is
>one of the richest nation on earth. But Dose she make any effort to
>contribute her economic power for the poor with full warm heart?

Any economic aid a rich country gives to another poorer is donner's
privilege and nobody has any say on it except maybe Scrooge murmurs if 
that's the case.  I guess a point Mr Kim made was: given that there is 
strong suspicion about Japan due to recent historical events, some 
justified and others unjustified, common sense would dictate Japan to 
go extra length to try to smooth international relationship with Asian 
neighbors but that's what's lacking in the eyes of Japan's neighbors.  
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:11:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:

>In article <18AUG199215224221@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>>As I said no apology will ever be enough.  And I assume there will be
>>suspicion of the Japanese well into the next millenium.  I am also not
>>worried about the crazed idiots who will continue to hate and will
>>probably be anti-Japanese until they die.  I would just like Japan
>>to set the record straight with a proper apology and by providing
>>proper education of the history.  In a generation or so, the ranting
>>and raving will drop to the murmur level like in Europe.  Perhaps there
>>may even be forgiveness.  But nothing is going to happen until Japan
>>acts first.
>>

>Very good point....

Perhaps, but I don't think that the world is going to hold it's
breath waiting for Japan. 

IMHO there was a major turning point when during the Gulf War and
other countries (most notably the U.S.) finally concluded that in
certain areas Japan just isn't able to make a decision. Not a great
deal was said, but other countries just went ahead and did what they
felt they had to do (note that I'm not defending what they did, just
saying that they went ahead and did it). 

While I myself think that it would be in Japan's best interest to
bite the bullet and come clean about it's role in WW II, it may not
be able to make that decision and nothing much will happen for
another 50 years. But only for Japan..... 

Dave

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
    <1992Aug18.200618.29685@news.iastate.edu> <36976@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:58:12 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>It is ok to hate the history books, but if you hate the people, you

Good idea! It is ok to hate the gun, 'couse that is the thing which kills.

>may find yourself being a contributing factor in the next war.
>Frustration and anger are understandable, but don't let these turn
>into hate.
>-- 
>Darin Johnson
>djohnson@ucsd.edu
>    "Only Nixon could go to China"  -- Vulcan proverb
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:51:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug18164308@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>solutions or resolutions to this problem. Many of those crying for apologies
>think they are somehow justified in their hatred. That their hatred is somehow
>good and righteous. Maybe the hatred can be rationalized, but it will never be
>good or righteous.

On and off, it's about time to move toward philosophical wondering.  Whoever
started talk about hatread, that's off the mark.  If anyone may or may not
harbor any hatread, rascism, or whatever, that has no bearing with apology
issue, IMO, because apology issue stands alone by itself.  Questioning
whether apology shall do any good sounds like idly philosophing about proper
punishment without actually never passing any kind of punishment.  Why do I
feel like a latecomer in this n-th round?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: U2 front row seats Aug 20th Foxboro St,Boston
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:12:05 GMT


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