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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Power behind the throne
Date: 2 Oct 1992 05:20:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I would suggest an excellent introduction to researching the Council
on Foreign Relations is to go to a University or large city Library
and look up their Annual Report. It gives a membership list. Note
how many of the names you are already familiar with. Look up the other's
in a reference such as "Standard and Poor's Registry of Executives
and Directors".

-Steve
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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: What is Fascism?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:53:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.121612.1252@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>

>>       Hitler, for his part, committed his act of abandonment 
>> bloodily and dramatically. When the industrialist power brokers 
>> offered control of Germany to Hitler, they knew he was supported 
>> by national socialist ideologues who held views incompatible with 
>> their idea of profitable enterprise. Hitler solved the problem in 
>> the "Night of the Long Knives," during which he had the 
>> leadership of the national socialist wing of his constituency 
>> murdered in their sleep.
>
>Which gets to the heart of what economic fascism really is:  State 
>Corporatism.

Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Hey!  Don't you know you're not supposed to call
it "State Corporatism"?

It's "Industrial Policy" now.

:-(


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From: gorilla@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher John Arnold)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: The Illuminati, Eris, and Ross Perot's dogs.
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:38:27 GMT
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Join the PinealNet, and save the world from the bloodsuckers.




			Hail Eris


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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Energy industry being destroyed
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:48:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct2.125133.10796@gvl.unisys.com> hopkins@gvl.unisys.com writes:

>in a free market.  Second, there has *never* been a free market in
>oil; the OPEC cartel has controlled price and production (with varying
>degrees of success) since they seized control of the market from the
>big oil companies.  Finally, the price rise was caused by speculation
>that the invasion would trigger a *short-term* disruption in production
>and a *temporary* supply shortage.

  This part is correct.  


>  Raising prices in response is usually called "price gouging,"

  This part is wrong.  "Price gouging" is taking advantage of some
  situation to jack up profits.   If you raise prices because your
  costs increased this isn't price gouging it's just "staying in
  business".   Oil prices really did go up (for the speculative
  reasons you cited above).  What were gas companies supposed to
  do, eat those increases, absorb the loss as a public service?

  Look, speculation is generally GOOD.   Speculators perform
  important economic functions as part of the general futures
  markets in any commodity.  Currently one of the biggest problems
  that Russia has in trying to adopt a modern economic system is
  the LACK of speculators or any organized futures markets, since
  for years "speculation" (which was defined as buying more of 
  anything than you had an immediate need for) was illegal in
  the USSR.


> [ and apparently about the gas crisis of the 70's ]
>>The gas lines were caused by the government, which capped pump prices.
>>Again, by the law of supply and demand, if you price something lower than
>>the market clearing price, there will be more demand than supply, and thus
>>the gas lines.  And since there were no high prices to encourage increased
>>production, the crisis lasted for quite a while.  Compare this to the
>>results during the gulf war, when prices were not capped.  Did you see any
>>gas lines?
>
>This, of course, conveniently ignores the fact that there *was* a
>shortage then, and there *wasn't* in the gulf crisis.

  He said it was "supply and demand".  A shortage only refers to the
  "supply" issue.  What happened in the Gulf War was that the *demand*
  side went up (due to speculators anticipating higher prices down the
  road resulting from supply disruptions, which basically never occured).
  This is how it's supposed to work.   You may not like this outcome 
  but consider the alternative of NOT having a commodities futures
  market: you would have frequent disruptions in supply and even
  wider price swings in most goods.


---peter
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: New Part VI, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc.,  CIA desecrates the People's Constitution
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:20:15 GMT
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In article <1992Oct1.120635.2701@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>Paul was dead!  He'd been slowly strangled to death.

No, no, no.  It's John that's dead.  Paul was just a rumor started by
Brian Epstein to boost sales of "Abbey Road."

							spl
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From: spl@alex.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Satanic Roots of Rock - Creating the Counterculture
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:46:28 GMT
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In article <1amca3INNmsu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>                                  ... Nixon was not driven from office
>because of whatever he may actually have been guilty of regarding
>the Watergate cover-up. He was driven from office because powerful 
>people wanted him out of office and sicced their lap dogs of the press 
>on him. ...

Yeah, powerful people like just about everyone under thirty and a hell
of a lot of them over that age.

Every once in a long while, the system works.

							spl
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From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Illuminati, Eris, and Ross Perot's dogs.
Date: 5 Oct 1992 03:39:12 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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the bloodsuckers? scuse me, are you referring to vampires or what?

-Tom Fox
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Spotlight Endorses LaRouche, Perot
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:25:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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This item is excerpted from a longer post on alt.activism
from covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
Subject: News 09/19/92
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:20:49 1992

<begin excerpt>

   `Spotlight' recommends
   LaRouche `protest vote'
   
The Sept. 14 issue of the populist
weekly newspaper {Spotlight} included a
spread on the presidential elections,
which recommended Lyndon LaRouche among
what it called ``protest candidates.''
After reviewing each candidate,
{Spotlight} wrote about independent
presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche:
``Then there is Lyndon LaRouche whose
beliefs are a mixture of nonsense and
good sense and whose followers have
managed to place him on 10 state ballots.
Campaigning from jail, where he sojourns
as a claimed political prisoner,
LaRouche's crimes, if any, are almost
infinitely fewer and of less magnitude
than those of the Republican candidate
and may thus be overlooked. Although his
economic `solutions' are far-fetched to
say the least, he and his organization
are strongly anti-drug and anti-crime; in
fact, they do not hesitate to brand the
Anti-Defamation League as a criminal
organization tied to the drug racket.
Thus, LaRouche has the same enemies as
this newspaper and its publisher. A
protest vote for him would send a healthy
signal to the Establishment of
non-confidence.'' 
   The {Spotlight} feature also
recommended, of the three ``major
candidates,'' i.e., those on the ballot
in most states, they would favor H. Ross
Perot because ``Perot's election would
completely upset the {status quo.} It
would be a mortal blow against the
present system,'' despite the fact that
the article strongly criticized Perot's
``reputed endorsement of the
parliamentary system.'' 

<end excerpt>

Well, if anybody out there believes in guilt by association, here's
more evidence against the "anti-semitic populist" LaRouche.

-Steve
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:41:15 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

> >>> Also, you may have noticed that I am posting this anonymously.  The reaso
> >>> I am doing this is that I am taking this story seriously and I don't
> >>> want to get snuffed out by the CIA.                                      
> Uh...sorry for asking, I must have missed this one, but what kind of
> shocking, terrifying story did you post that required you to post
> it anonymously?
> And if you're so afraid of the CIA and all them bad guys, why even
> bother posting?
We didn't get the original here either.

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From: elite@igc.apc.org (Elite Enterprises)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: I NEED ASSISTANCE...Any Intellects
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:41:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1299600078:000:196
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elite    Oct  2 21:41:00 1992


does anybody no of any organizations that are anti-jewish? if so, please
e-mail names and addresses. i'm working on a school project and looking
for the type of info they publish.

email at elite
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "A Nation Betrayed" - Bo Gritz POW/MIA Video
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:06:10 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
| A conjecture: "Steve Crocker" and "Kingsley Morse" are the same person.
| They have an identical modus operandi, i.e. post a whole barrage of Nazi
| propaganda amid protestations of wide-eyed innocence and don't-blame-me-
| for-this-I'm-just-passing-it-on-cos-it's-interesting.

I don't know anything about Steve Crocker, but Gritz is saying
the same things a good many people on the Left have been saying
for many years, although he seems to have arrived at it from a
right-wing, rather than a left-wing, experience.  It's not Nazi
propaganda in any case.

I discounted the POW/MIA thing for a long time, figuring it was
some ploy for rightists to keep miltarism going, and so on and
so forth.  Now I think I was wrong.  Nixon and Kissinger and
their friends were in charge when the deal to get out of Indo-
china was cut, and if either of them told me the sky was blue
I'd go looking for an umbrella.  

It may be that none were left, but what's coming out is that
the government of the time didn't know and didn't care.  They
had bigger fish to fry, like their own prospects and ambitions.

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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: 300 of who, where and why?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:20:04 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) wrote:
> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>> A conjecture: "Steve Crocker" and "Kingsley Morse" are the same person.
>> They have an identical modus operandi, i.e. post a whole barrage of Nazi
>> propaganda amid protestations of wide-eyed innocence and don't-blame-me-
>> for-this-I'm-just-passing-it-on-cos-it's-interesting.
> I find it interesting that such a comment would come from an area that is
> so close to the reputed source of the Committee of 300; that singular group
> of internationalists whose agenda is to implement the NWO....a system of
> economic feudalism.

Is this LaRouche-speak, or what?  The nearest thing I can think of to that
label is the 300 Club, a pressure group aiming to make women 50% of members
of the (600-odd strong) British Parliament (Yay!  Fight for equal ticket
allocations for blacks on the Titanic!... ).  I don't know any other outfit
that thinks the UK is the hub of the Evil Empire these days.  If it did
come from the LaLas, I assume "internationalists" is a code-word for Jews?

If my guess is wrong, please enlighten me as to where the idea that the
Committee of 300 exists really did originate.

(No argument that *some* parapolitical outfits of global importance in
 recent decades have been based in the UK - Pinay, Cliveden et al.  But
 not something of the Foucault's Pendulum scope suggested above).

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From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
Subject: Re: the trilateralists
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:38:26 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <CINDY.92Oct2143329@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
>Subject: Re: the trilateralists
>Date: 2 Oct 92 14:33:29

>Well, i'll be.  Even conspiracy theories come back into fashion if
>you wait long enough.

>-Cindy Kandolf
> cindy@solan.unit.no
> Trondheim, Norway


Uhmm. I don't recall seeing the word 'conspiracy' in Bacon's posts. But
tell you what, one might be more distrustful of anti-conspiracy theorists 
and debunkers than of the conspiracy theorists themselves.  You know the 
conspiracy theorists are always reminding us that it's the first concern of 
a true conspiracy to convnice everyone that no conspiracy exists.

If that's true, kind of makes it difficult to criticize conspiracy theories,
doesn't it?  The theorists have so characterized the subject matter of their 
theory that any if anyone tries to criticize it they can always be attacked 
as either having been influenced or 'made over' by the conspirators 
themselves, or as actually being a witting or unwitting part of the 
conspiracy attempting to convince people that there's no conspiracy! 

It seems to me any theory which sets up the situation to be like this, so 
that everything--all the evidence one way or the other--is susceptible of 
conspiratorialist interpretation, is very suspect.  It's like making your
theory true by definition.
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From: spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "A Nation Betrayed" - Bo Gritz POW/MIA Video
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:12:28 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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In article <1992Sep26.160610.23556@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>I discounted the POW/MIA thing for a long time, figuring it was
>some ploy for rightists to keep miltarism going, and so on and
>so forth.  Now I think I was wrong. ...

I think you are wrong, too. :-) <--- signed for the silliness impaired
(ghod, I love a good straight line...)

>                                 ... Nixon and Kissinger and
>their friends were in charge when the deal to get out of Indo-
>china was cut, and if either of them told me the sky was blue
>I'd go looking for an umbrella.  

The bitter irony of this is that the whole POW/MIA crock was concocted
by Nixon and Henry the K in about 1972 to better Nixon's re-election
chances.  They even went to the extent of installing an "exhibit" in
the U.S. Capitol depicting "typical" POW conditions.  Remember the POW
bracelets that people wore back then?  

It was the Nixon White House that gave the initial impetus to the
POW/MIA movement.  It is a somewhat bittersweet irony to see that
rather crass political maneuver come back years later to bite them
both in the butt (accusations of hiding "real" MIA figures, etc.).

By the way, about six months or a year ago there was a good article on
the whole POW/MIA hoo-hah in (I believe) The Atlantic Monthly (may
have been Harper's... too many degenerating brain cells).  By
combining information from several sources, including Pentagon,
POW/MIA groups, etc., the author concluded that if there *are* any
living MIAs in Viet Nam, Cambodia, or Laos, they could be most
certainly counted on one hand with plenty of fingers left over.

MIA is simply a Pentagon euphemism for "dead" in almost every case.
It is sad and a bit aggravating to see people who have lost husbands,
wives, sons, or daughters exploited, often for profit motives, by
those backing the POW/MIA movement.

							spl
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From: james.kelly@factory.com (James Kelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Outlaw Fire NOW!!!!
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:46:00 GMT
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Reply-To: james.kelly@factory.com (James Kelly) 


In Message:<1992Sep30.163437.23651@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com>
Steven Martin (steve@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com) Tagline reads:

SM> "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and
  >  bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against
  >  tyranny in government."  Thomas Jefferson

This Jefferson guy most be some kind of pinko commie! Geezzz.. With the
New World Order and stuff, Who can Imagine a "Tyranical" Goverment
anyways? (grin)

<jk> pkk productions {} .mod music files!

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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: 300 of who, where and why?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:36:42 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) wrote:
> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) wrote:
>>> the Committee of 300; that singular group of internationalists whose
>>> agenda is to implement the NWO....a system of economic feudalism.
>> Is this LaRouche-speak, or what? [...]  I don't know any other outfit
>> that thinks the UK is the hub of the Evil Empire these days.  If it did
>> come from the LaLas, I assume "internationalists" is a code-word for Jews?
> What's s'matta..your ole lady cut you off again? :-)

Translation please?  if you're going to use gratuitous insults at least
attempt to make them comprehensible to the target...


> Try this: "Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300" - John Coleman
> (aka John Clarke). You can order it for about $17 US bucks from
> America West Publishers , 2810 W. Charleston Blvd. Suite G6723 , Las Vegas
> Nevada 89102.

OK, let's try it again: just who are America West?  It's a name that
suggests a publisher with an agenda, but *what* agenda?  If they aren't
Larouchies, what pressure group *do* they speak for?

[ Don Allen actually replies to something!...  wonders will never cease. ]

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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: 300 of who, where and why?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:35:49 GMT

In article <BvEItG.Iy7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) wrote:
>> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>> A conjecture: "Steve Crocker" and "Kingsley Morse" are the same person.
>>> They have an identical modus operandi, i.e. post a whole barrage of Nazi
>>> propaganda amid protestations of wide-eyed innocence and don't-blame-me-

That's absurd but I'm sure you can provide adequate proof to support
this conjecture,eh <darn...I forgot..this is abUSENET..anything goes>

*yawn*

Moving right along..

>>> for-this-I'm-just-passing-it-on-cos-it's-interesting.
>> I find it interesting that such a comment would come from an area that is
>> so close to the reputed source of the Committee of 300; that singular group
>> of internationalists whose agenda is to implement the NWO....a system of
>> economic feudalism.
>
>Is this LaRouche-speak, or what?  The nearest thing I can think of to that
>label is the 300 Club, a pressure group aiming to make women 50% of members
>of the (600-odd strong) British Parliament (Yay!  Fight for equal ticket
>allocations for blacks on the Titanic!... ).  I don't know any other outfit
>that thinks the UK is the hub of the Evil Empire these days.  If it did
>come from the LaLas, I assume "internationalists" is a code-word for Jews?

What's s'matta..your ole lady cut you off again? :-)

Try this: "Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300" - John Coleman
(aka John Clarke). You can order it for about $17 US bucks from
America West Publishers , 2810 W. Charleston Blvd. Suite G6723 , Las Vegas
Nevada 89102. You may still be able to get it, but hurry..the inside
skinny is that the CEO of America West (George Green) is hurling charges
against Coleman nee Clarke and may end up cutting off the book sales. No
less than Eustace Mullins has condemned the book ( so there might be 
something to it :-)

Please do keep this petty bickering going..it's so amusing to watch :-))


Don


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