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From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Harley soon-to-be checks it out
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:20:40 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

So I couldn't contain myself any longer..  I got my FJ out of Berkeley
Yamaha on Saturday...  kid was unexpectedly at a friend's birthday
party for the day..  I was finally started to feel 'normal' after
nearly a month of being chronically weakened and generally feeling
yucky..  the sun was shining..  old FJ and I head for mind numbing
cruise down highway 5..  mm, was a good move having them change
the rear sprocket to the taller FJ1200 gearing...
For a short while, I check out the tune up with an indicated 130 mph
run, nice, stable..  dangerous to my license..  I slow down and
pull in to Foster's Freeze and say 'Hi' to the friendly County
Sheriff eating his hamburger (THorick friend of Law Enforcement !)...

So the day progresses nicely, relaxed, one second at a time...

I might as well head to the Oakland Harley Dealer before getting
home...   

it's a funny thing pulling up to the Harley Dealer from whom the
Oakland Hell's Angels buy their engines from (the legal sales
I presume)..  well, I figure, if you're going to pull up to
a Harley dealer in a Japanese bike, it might as well be a BIG
japanese bike, one that makes some torque !   (I find out later
that my FJ makes torque figures that start at about 40 and
peak out at about 63 ft/lbs or so...   the claimed torque
figures are  50 for the 883, 70 for the 1200 sportster  and
77 for the biggest twins..  oh well..  I did have big       
horsepower numbers at least ! )

Well..  where's the $4000 stripper Sporty that I'm expecting to see ?
gulp..  I look at the XLH 883 Hugger and spot the out the door
price...  $7000  sheesh..  that freight, setup, doc, lic  and
8% or so sales tax do add a bit don't it ?   I look at the
packaged financing they offer..   hmmm  $700 down (I could do that)
hmm  $141 a month (I could do that)  hmmm  60 months  (ackkk...
I can't see paying on a motorcycle for 5 years !!!!  it's
going to have to be either cash on the table, or I find anothe
method of financing !!!)

well, as a consolation, I do see that the out the door price for
the true stripper model is about $6000 or so...  all I got to
do is add for the 2 up seat, the tall sissy bar and rack, the
foam hand grips, the highway pegs, the wind deflector, the
tachometer..  the...  the... the....

the heck...  one of those is going to be MINE soon !

-t.c.


--
"..according to Chinese law, most suicides are considered criminal offenses
against Socialism and the Communist Party.  When someone takes his own life
members of the family are often punished, on the principle that they must have
either condoned or been influenced by the 'incorrect thought'.." -Iron & Silk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomw@megatek.com (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: Shifting older bikes (was Re: I got mine finally to)
Reply-To: tomw@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.235204.8022@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>In article <37018@cbmvax.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>A friend of mine has an old Triumph that he let me take for a spin. Everything
>>is in reverse.
>
>Not quite. The shift pattern is the same: 1-down 3-up (or 4-up on the
>Bonneville.) On pre-'75 Nortons the pattern was 1-up 3-down _and_ on the right.
>So, instead of braking for the corner, you upshift. Throw in that "vintage"
>(read: useless) front brake you're talking major pucker-factor.

I had a 1970 Norton 750 Commando (which was the fastest all around bike of
its day), and the front break was actually quite good. It was a dual leading
shoe drum break with a scope vent. I also owned a 1970 Sportster and a 1970
Honda CB 750 (not all at once). The Honda's break was obviously better, but
the Norton's was still pretty good. One helpful factor was that my bike
weighed only 422 pounds with a full tank of gas! (Nevertheless, IMHO the 
Sportster was the most fun to ride.)
>
>That aside, many current racebikes are set up with the 'Norton' pattern (though
>on the left) as it ensures more positive shifts, not to mention keeping your
>toe out of the way while the bike is heeled over. Mile bikes (Harleys and
>Hondas) shift on the right because the rider drags his left foot in corners
>(or maybe vice-versa.) Don't know if the pattern is up-down on them too
>(my guess in that it is.)
>
>I've found that it takes about 10 minutes of acclimation time to make the
>switch from left to right shift (about as long as it takes me to get used to
>a bike in general, I think.) Getting used to an up-down shift pattern takes
>more brainwork.
>
Since the Norton was both backwards and up-side-down, it was a pain to switch
back and forth between it and what is now the standard. Not only did pulling
up on the break not shift gears, the bottom side of the break tore up my boot
toe! The biggest problem was in potential panic situations where there was
a tendency to spend a moment thinking about which bike I was on. I finally
reminded myself of the advice I give to beginning riders when they want to
stop in an emergency: Don't try to remember which controls do what. Just pull
with both hands and push with both feet!
>
>-Neal
>[niall@c3.com]
>DoD #0x451

Tom Wright
'89 Heritage Special Classic
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Finally & Prejudice
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:55:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.154934.1128@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.083734.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>>>YO JEFF... REGARDING ALL YOUR "COMMENTS"... LIKE
>
>Personally, I like anything with wheels (even some with four) and an engine.
>I work with Mike, and just wanted to bust his ass due to a serious case of
>jealousy. Just don't care for those silly smiley things.
>

I knew some staunch Defender of the Scoot would get involved in this.  Just
thought I'd watch the fireworks.

>>>>Does this make it go faster ?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Merely a matter of personal preference, but IMO a better question is "how 
>>> much of this stuff is necessary?" A solo seat, rearsets, fork brace, swingarm
>>> brace, fiberglass (or plastic) fenders. Delete windshield, saddlebags, radio,
>>> and anything else not needed to hold your ass off the pavement. Should save 
>>> at least 100 pounds. 
>>>   Bore it, stroke it, cam and carb it. Send the heads to Jerry Branch for
>>> massaging. 
>>>   Course, you could just buy a Moto Guzzi Daytona or a Ducati 900SS for a 
>>> lot less money.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Achenbach
>>> Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, Moto Morini 3 1/2, BMW R90S, Yamaha SR500
>>

I sure wouldn't do it to the '93, but if I could get the folks at Harley of
North Texas to drop their price on the '67 FLH almost basket case, it would be
a prime candidate for Jeff's above mentioned mods.


>>There ARE individuals who ride motorcycles who actually have interests
>>different than your own.  Since 1) it's THEIR bike, not yours, and 2) the last
>>time I looked, motorcycling was touted as a means of INDIVIDUAL expression (not
>>yours alone!)  people can and should continue to have fun with their machines. 
>>Gee, I hope we don't offend you too much.
>
>Not at all. I'm probably one of the most offensive folks you could ever wish
>to meet, especially after a sixpack or two.
>
>>
>>By the way, you DO have some nice bikes!
>>
>
>Thanks, I enjoy them. But I'm always lusting after the ones I don't have.
>Someday I'd like to build a serious performance Sportster, but I can't 
>begin to afford a Buell.
>
> 
>Jeff Achenbach
> 
>
>

We always lust after that which we do not possess.

Mike Serafin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: Balancing
Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:03:58 GMT

>|> Oh, yeah - one place said they really like Wiseco stroker pistons.  They
>|>said they are more durable than the S&S.  Any opinions?
>|>			Denny Powers
>Wiseco makes good pistons but so does TRW (S&S). Maybe what you've 
>heard that Wiseco forged pistons are better than S&S cast pistons. I 
>would agree with that. TRW forged pistons are as good as Wiseco. IMO
>Arias are the best, but you'll pay dearly for them. For a street motor, I
>can't see any advantage.
>Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA

  Arias pistons are IMHO the best. I paid $150.00 each for the ones in my
XR1000 after I blew off the top ring land racing a Gold Wing in Sturgis.
They are usually not that expensive but I had the first ones made for an XR
and now they are availiable thru Riviera Engineering.
  The point is ... if you are going to hotrod (yes, Martha, we all race)
your bike, them get with forged pistons when you rebuild the topend. Cast
pistons are fine for stock bikes that your grandmother rides ;@).
  I use S&S in my 86" Pan-Shovel and that works fine. The nice thing about
S&S pistons and strokers is that you can get the pistons with the wrist pin
set closer to the crown and you don't have to run stroker plates. Then you
can't tell from the outside thats its a stroker, the manifold will fit
properly, etc.
                            Lynn Hall - NOS Bros 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: re: 71 Shovel
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:41:21 GMT

I think the person looking for the 71 Shovel softail---84 cu may be on the 
wrong track.
For a start Harleys in 71 were 1200cc (74cu) big twins,Sportsters were 
883cc. Harley never made a Shovelhead softail. All softails are evo motors 
and of 80cu.
I am assuming that this letter was a joke, If it was then agent 99 got me.
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Technical Officer                                    Phone: +61 45 70 1446
University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury               Fax: +61 45 88 5867
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:37:03 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1e63duINNjqr@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, frankm@martinezjr.EBay.Sun.COM
(Frank Martinez) wrote:
> 
> I`ll try this again...Need advice on 70 Sportsters good exper/bad exper.
> Have a line on a 70 Sport for $1200.00 that needs gear work...good deal ?

It probably need more than that, but if I saw a 70 Sportie for $1,200
which hadn't been chopped or chromed to death I'd buy it even if I
just put it away!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning)
Subject: Re: Good Deal?
Organization: Icom Simulations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:48:51 GMT

In article <37145@cbmvax.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)  
writes:
> A friend of a friend, is in need of some hard cash and is willing to give up
> his 1986 FLSTF Fat Boy (34,000 miles) for $4,000.  I haven't seen or riden
> the bike yet though I hear it is mint, except that it needs a new primary
> cover.  The old one is all scratched up (the excuse is that he scraped it on
> corners which is understandable).  I've had my heart set on a new FXDL Dyna
> Low Rider but it will run me 3 times that of the used Fat Boy.
> 
> Should I jump at this offer?
> 
> Is 4 grand a good price for an ol' Fat Boy?
> 
> I figure that if it is and I don't care for the vibration I can always use
> it as a good trade in.
> 
> Any comments?

Did they make a Fat Boy in `86? I don't remember. 
I've been known to drag the floor boards on mine, but the primary? I just can't see it. Too many bits that you'll drag first preventing you from leaning further. I used to hit the pegs on my Superglide once and a while (center controls), but again the primary never touched. I don't think it could have short of dropping it (IMHO). Of course that was a different bike but...
As for $4000.00, if you don't buy it I will. I'm serious. Anything that recent would have to be in pretty sorry shape to be worth less than that (at least here in Chi Town). 
As for the vibration, if you cruse at 70 mph+ for 4 hours+ you will know it. Then again I put about 1000 miles a month on that bike (it rained a lot here this year) and I don't lust for a rubber mount. Of course everything I've had has been solid mount so I don't know first hand what I'm missing. Can't miss what you've never had. Although you can lust for it. Should I?

--
mmanning@icomsim.com

`92 FLSTF Fat Boy
`92 Ducati 900SS
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Us vs Them (Was Re: XLH vs Big Twin)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:24:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
>  since I am
>an American by birth and I would never buy a product from a country that
>started a war with us
>

I can remember the "good ole days" when the battle lines were being
drawn.  It wasn't Americans vs Foreigners.  It was the real people vs
Corporate America.  Corporate America and the banks and pigs and
politicians were screwing the people.  And the people protested by
growing their hair and customizing their bikes.  Can you say hippie?

Now the us vs them thing is all about Americans vs Foreigners.  It's
the foreigners who are screwing the American people.  And the people
protest by buying outrageously expensive American bikes and borrowing
money from American banks to finance their loans, thus supporting
Corporate America.  Can you say yuppie?

If you buy a Harley, you say you're buying American.  What does that
really mean?  It means you're supporting Corporate America.  And some
parts on your Harley are imported, so to a small extent, you're
supporting some foreign corporation.  If you buy a foreign bike, then
you're supporting Corporate Japan, or Corporate Germany or Italy or
Britain.  Some Japanese bikes are made in the US now; if you buy one
of those, then you're still supporting Corporate Japan, but you're
also supporting the American people who work in that factory.

I ride a beemer (I also have a Harley, but it's a 1965 model and it's
in pieces in my garage; I only supported the kid I bought it from when
I gave him some cash for it), so I support a German corporation.  But
I also support an American shop, American mechanics, American
importers.  

It's a small world.  I say buy the bike you like and support your
buddies who ride, even if they ride something else.

----
Steve Barnhouse                                   steve@presto.ig.com
1964 BMW R-27  **  1965 Harley XLCH  **  1967 BMW R-75/conversion  ** 
1989 BMW R-100GS
----


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:54:23 GMT

  Just had another battery die in my '87 fxstc. This was the longest
lasting ie: 18 months. Orange County Harley said that was a great time on a
battery, especially considering how many miles I put on the blue bitch. I
went another route and spent $44 on an American made one from Kragen Auto
Parts. I'll keep you netters posted on how long this one lasts...
  Anyway, I had to ride my '61 Pan-Shovel (magneto, no battery) for a
while. I felt the clutch slipping after a burnout and further inspection
showed the Barnett clutch plates had gone south (lots of fiber in the
primary). I pulled the clutch basket and 1 plate was gone from 1 side.
  Point: The Harley dealers (plural) all said they had only Taiwaneese
plates. That means both CCI and the factory have sold out (again) for
increased profits (and less American jobs). I am out looking for Barnett
clutch plates again while I wait for the swap meet on Dec 4 in Costa mesa,
CA. where I can find good used AMERICAN parts. There ain't no foriegn shit
on my Pan-Shovel and I aim to keep it that way.
  So guys (and gals), keep your eyes out when replacing parts that break.
Especially brake (no pun intended) and clutch parts. These parts need
replacing more often.
                          Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Finally & Prejudice
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:37:34 GMT

>>YO JEFF... REGARDING ALL YOUR "COMMENTS"... LIKE
>>Does this make it go faster ?
>>
> 
> Merely a matter of personal preference, but IMO a better question is "how 
> much of this stuff is necessary?" A solo seat, rearsets, fork brace, swingarm
> brace, fiberglass (or plastic) fenders. Delete windshield, saddlebags, radio,
> and anything else not needed to hold your ass off the pavement. Should save 
> at least 100 pounds. 
>   Bore it, stroke it, cam and carb it. Send the heads to Jerry Branch for
> massaging. 
>   Course, you could just buy a Moto Guzzi Daytona or a Ducati 900SS for a 
> lot less money.
> 
> Jeff Achenbach
> Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, Moto Morini 3 1/2, BMW R90S, Yamaha SR500

There ARE individuals who ride motorcycles who actually have interests
different than your own.  Since 1) it's THEIR bike, not yours, and 2) the last
time I looked, motorcycling was touted as a means of INDIVIDUAL expression (not
yours alone!)  people can and should continue to have fun with their machines. 
Gee, I hope we don't offend you too much.

By the way, you DO have some nice bikes!

Michael Menard

> 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:03:24 GMT

--

In article <Af1tfG600WAE43LEx9@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Makel
<jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
|>Path:
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|>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:57:54 -0500 
|>From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
|>Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
|>In-Reply-To: <1e63duINNjqr@male.EBay.Sun.COM>
|>References: <1e631aINNhrl@male.EBay.Sun.COM>
|>
|>Frank writes>>I`ll try this again...Need advice on 70 Sportsters good
|>exper/bad exper.
|>Have a line on a 70 Sport for $1200.00 that needs gear work...good deal ?
|>
|>Well unless you can do the work yourself, and of course depending
|>what is is broken(normally second gear goes out), the price can
|>be ok. Does the bike run, what shape is it in(appearance wise,mileage?),
|>is it stock, chopped, or semi-customed? Is it a kick start, electric
|>start or both?
|> I have had a 71, that was a good bike, I bought it from the insurance
|>company while working at the bike shop, it had been stolen and taken
|>for a joy ride that ended up in a strip mine under water. After cleaning it 
|>up and disassembling the motor which was filled with water and mud,
|>it ran quite while. 
|>If you are looking for an idea as to worth, here in South-Western, PA
|>&West by God Virgina, I have seen Sportsters in the 70's in good shape
|>bring 1500-3000, the average about 2200. You have to realize that you
|>are going to end up putting money into the sporty, how much depends
|>upon the present condition and what you want it to look like when you
|>get done with it. Parts for them are not hard to come by, the bike was 
|>also designed to run on leaded fuel, you can run Harleys' Duralt(lead
|>fuel additive), or have the valves redone with titanium valves. Sounds
|>also that you don't know much about the sporty(which is why you are asking)
|>you most likely would be better off to have a shop(harley or side mechanic)
|>wrench on it for you, that could cost you 700-1000(parts and labor), I would
|>have to know more about it. Can you post some more info on it?
|>
|>
|>
|>						john...
|>
|>16F(soon)
|>47Indian(started)
|>78FX
|>80Sturgis
|>91FXRS convertible(just got-the sporty has found a new home)
|>92FLHTC
|>HOG
|>AMA
|>ABATE
|>

Tianium valves? That's a new one on me. Maybe you mean unleaded valve
seats, like Stellite or Nicol (sp?). They're hardened to run with unleaded
gas and steel valves. Titanium valve collars, sure.

CdH
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: saw a bike 4 sale
Keywords: 48? or 49?
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:19:38 GMT

--
In article <15525@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis)
writes:
|>Path:
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|>From: dellis@Auspex.COM (David Ellis)
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Subject: saw a bike 4 sale
|>Keywords: 48? or 49?
|>Message-ID: <15525@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
|>Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:21 GMT
|>Sender: news@auspex-gw.auspex.com
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|>
|>
|>	I saw a 48 or 49 panhead for sale in
|>	the diablo dealer.
|>	A beautiful looking scooter I should add.
|>	Looks all original and the paint looked nice
|>	to.
|>
|>	The guy was asking 5800.00  firm
|>	I have the paper at home if anyone is interested
|>	in the phone #.
|>
|>	The bike is located in Calif,  bay area somewhere.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>			KEEP'em  UPRIGHT
|>
|>-- 
|>Dave Ellis                If it's FREE I'll take it..   
|>dellis@auspex.com         If it's AMERICAN I'll buy it.  
|>

If it had a springer front end it was a '48. If it had a hydraulic front
end (taper leg wide glide FL) it was a '49. Either way $5800 is quite
reasonable.

CdH
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: fork size 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:34:02 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov11.180937.19986@den.mmc.com> rea@den.mmc.com (Vince Rea) writes:
>
>
>What size forks do sportsters have? 39mm?
>The post on fork cap replacement seems like a good
>idea. I would like to try it on my sporty.
>thanks


That depends on the year model of the Sporty. 1990 and later have the 39mm
forks (I think it's '90, could be '89). The earlier EVO Sporty's had 35mm
forks (back to '86). I dunno what size the '85 and earlier ones had, likely
35mm also.

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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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