From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:48:24 GMT

In article <1g4a63INNbi6@agate.berkeley.edu>,
dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:

	You agree that non-whites are incapable of sustaining our 
	civilization?  That's pretty raw even for you, Jack.


In article <1992Dec11.014643.18356@oracle.us.oracle.com>
rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) comments:

	...I should note that I am taking it on credsit that this is
	actually what Jack said, and that this is not a
	misinterpretation of his statements.


In article <BzC76q.J6I@ddsw1.mcs.com>
arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) responds:

	It's called creative editing.  I said nothing of the kind nor
	do I believe it.

In fact, all Mr. Schmidling objected to was the word "civilization" for
which he claimed he would substitute its synonym, "culture."  But Mr.
Schmidling never misses a chance to make a mountain out of a mole hill
when it suits him.


	I simply pointed out that they seem to be more interested
	in promoting African culture than American.  That is not a value
	judgement, just an opinion.

It is actually neither of the above.  It is a myopic observation.  Of
course, Afro-Americans are rightfully proud to promote African culture.
Mr. Schmidling's error is in distinguishing between African and
American culture as if the two were mutually exclusive.  American
culture is an amalgam of diverse elements from many different cultures,
including Native  American and Afro-American.


Mr. Childers continues:

	...IMHO...Black people born in North America, still feel like
	they are in an alien environment. And that is a real problem,
	one crying to be solved.


Mr. Schmidling responds:

	That is a good point but in my opinion is a felling
	created by the so-called civil rights leaders, lawyers and
	the media and does not reflect the real world.

In other words, Afro-Americans would be happy except that they are
under strict instructions from their leaders and lawyers to feel
alienated.  This is the real world according to Mr. Schmidling!


	Blacks are guaranteed the same rights as anyone else.

On paper.


	Unfortunately, there seems to be a perception that
	right must translate into results.

Once again, the self-appointed guardian of American culture fails to
communicate in any coherent manner exactly what he means.  Does he mean
that rights guaranteed on paper do not require enforcement in the real
world?  Or is this the old homily about equal rights before the law not
meaning that all men are equally talented?  Mr. Schmidling needs to
spend less time defending American culture, and more time studying it.


	BTW, I feel like an alien when I go into a Black community.

Let us turn Mr. Schmidling's own words against him!  "That is a good
point but in my [Mr. Schmidling's] opinion is a felling [feeling]
created by the so-called civil rights leaders, lawyers and the media and
does not reflect the real world."  Mr. Schmidling is "... guaranteed the
same rights as anyone else.  Unfortunately, there seems to be a
perception that right must translate into results."

Note the way Mr. Schmidling spends a whole paragraph refuting the theory
of racial alienation in America's egalitarian society, only to embrace
it in the very next paragraph without the slightest awareness of the
contradiction!  This is true schizoid logic.


	Maybe that's just the way it is and we should quit trying to
	lforce our culture on each other.

No one is forcing their culture on Mr. Schmidling.  Let us hope that he
is not trying to force his separatism on those of us who are truly
capable of appreciating culture.

Harry Katz

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