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Subject: No Festivities????
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:00:04 -0500

AL>Anyone out there know what's up?  I have two theories.
AL>    1-- Burnout, with no one to replace the crucial organizers.  Been known
AL>        to happen to many a disc activity.

Larry Schindel recently had his second child.  I think that burnout is
one of the reasons, but I must (sadly) point out that he didn't ask the
Washington Area Frisbee Club for any help.  Since we have over 1000
paid-up members, I think we could have helped.

AL>    2-- Field space.  There is a decent amount of renovation going on in the
AL>        area where it previously had been held.  Could be that the space
AL>        disappeared, or is in awful shape.

Yes, there was a field problem, too, although I don't know the extent of
it.

AL>For those of you who don't know, the Nat'l Frisbee Festival is a large
AL>"happening" that has been taking place annually down on "the mall".  No,

The NFF used to be called the "Smithsonian Frisbee Festival" and is
usually billed as the largest non-competitive frisbee event in the
world.

I hope WAFC can get involved next year.  But it's up to Larry.

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From: feldy@isi.edu (Bob Felderman)
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Subject: Team interested in game Sat Sept. 5 (11:00pm) San Fran?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:04:19 GMT
Reply-To: feldy@ISI.EDU (Bob Felderman)
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Organization: Information Sciences Institute

I have a throw-together team that is looking for a game on saturday Sept. 5
at about 11:00am in the san francisco area preferably palo alto.

I know many teams will be in Santa Cruz for the tourney, but perhaps a
corporate-league team?

Any takers?

Nothing TOO serious, just some old friends getting together for 
a game before a wedding.



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Subject: Northeast Region Tournam
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:01:06 -0500

BF>As a player in the Northeast region, I'm getting concerned about the
BF>dearth of tournament announcements and the lack of a regional captain's
BF>meeting (at least none to date).  Does anyone know what's going on?

I finally got a hold of Steve Goodfriend, the NE Reg. Coord. this
morning.  He told me a couple of things:

1.  He decided against a captain's meeting this year because so few
teams have come in the past.  He has an alternate method of getting
information (as follows)

2.  He has sent out, recently, a letter to all teams, mostly asking for
any information anyone has on tournaments this fall.  If your team
has not received anything yet, call him and he will update his mailing
list.  (Steve Goodfriend  h: 617-527-4029 w: 617-951-0055 x118)

3.  After collecting the info, he will send out another letter with a
list of tourneys.

4.  Regionals (for NE) are not set yet, but he's trying for Oct 24-25
(with Sectionals Oct 10-11).


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Subject: Madison Results

Some results from the Madison Cuervo tourney

This info is curtesy of Tim Brooks, who played with "Gimme Five
Bucks," a D.C. team who started the weekend with eight players
(down to seven by the second half of the semis).

Finals: Windy City 15 - Gimme Five Bucks 11
Semis:  Five Bucks 19 - Dover 16
        Windy City over Chain Lightning
other quarterfinalists:
        Night Train, Minneapolis, Madison, and "Not"

Women's: Nemesis over Ozone

Since Windy City had already qualified for the Cuervo
Championships, Gimme Five Bucks and Nemesis are the two qualifiers
from this weekend.

(By the way, does anyone know why the Cuervo Championships is being

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From: davidb@is.morgan.com (David Birnbaum)
Subject: WORLDS Update - Sunday, August 16
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:43:36 GMT

	     WORLDS Update - Utsunomia, Sunday, August 16

As promised, here's the daily live updates, being typed in by your's
truly in the fine Sunshine Hotel, next to Utsunomia station.  As I
write this, a bunch of Ultimate players are drinking more than their
fair share of beer in preparation for the grueling games tomorrow.

The opening cermony was quite interesting - some fine local dancing,
music, and then the usual row of speeches.  The Japenese ones were a
little more interesting than the English ones, even though they could
have been reading pages from the Utsunomia phone book and we would
have never known it.  We clapped anyway!

The games start out tomorrow morning at 8:30 AM sharp.  I'll try and
post the results every night, assuming that I don't die of heat stroke
or something before then.  As they say, "it's hot, but it's a DRY
heat...."

Hucking off the pull....

David.
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From: hal@biosys.apldbio.com (Hal Beilan)
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Subject: Masters/Travelling
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:24:55 GMT
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA

Kind of funny to hear that one is "old" over 30; there are a few of us here over 40
(the usual masters cutoff in a lot of sports) and still playing very well.

Also, relating to the travelling discussion: Is it legal to catch the disc just
outside the end zone, take your three steps over the goal line and count it as a
score?
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From: tedk@jpl.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ted Ko)
Subject: Re: Masters/Travelling
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:08:59 GMT

In article <344@biosys.apldbio.COM>, hal@biosys.apldbio.com (Hal Beilan) writes:

|> Also, relating to the travelling discussion: Is it legal to catch the disc just
|> outside the end zone, take your three steps over the goal line and count it as a
|> score?

A related question:  Assuming that the answer to the above is no, (which is what
I thought the rule was),  does the player have to bring it back to the goal line before throwing for a score?  ie  Let's say a player catches the disc outside
the goal but momentum carries him in.  Can he immediately throw to a teammate
or does he have to bring it back out first?

-- 
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From: taernst@bathe.Princeton.EDU (Theodore A. Ernst)
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Subject: Re: No Spirit of the Game
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:09:31 GMT
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Organization: Clockwork Orange Ultimate
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In article <l7vunpINN71n@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
|> In article <daemon.92Aug05102950@is.morgan.com> Pablo_Martinez.LOTUS@CRD.lotus.com writes:
|> >
|> >How can a team interested in playing within SOTG compete against such a team?
|> >
|> Sounds like you need referees!
|> 
|> Dudley
|> .


NO!  NO!  NO!  NO!  NO REFEREES!

Ban them.  Bury their heads in the endzone.  Send them to Tokyo in August to play pickup with elemetary school kids.  Throw blades up their butts.

Anything but referees.  We can't give up the ideals of our sport (SOTG) just because of some idiots.

Never say "referee,"

ted
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From: kschmid@hubcap.clemson.edu (kenneth w schmidt)
Subject: Inside-Out v/s Roll
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:06:30 GMT

At a tournament not too long ago, I got an interesting piece of advice
from a very experienced player and I want to get other opinions:

My teammate (X) received a pass on the sideline.  His marker was forcing 
him flat so when he saw the next cut down the side (Y), he had a choice 
of throwing an inside out flick or a backhand roll (he's right-handed).
|                       |   He threw the roll and it bounced out of Y's  
|  \                    |   outstretched hand.  My friend (the veteran 
|   \                   |   player) said that an inside out would have 
|    \                  |   been easier to catch because of the direction 
|     Y                 |   of the spin.  With the roll pass, the edge   
|                       |   of the disc that hit Y's hand was spinning  
| X                     |   so that the disc had a tendency to accelerate 
|                       |   off his hand, but the spin on the flick 
|                       |   would have made the disc "stick" in Y's hand.

This made sense to me so I tried using the inside out every chance I had.
I couldn't really tell any difference in the receiver's ability to catch
my passes, except for the fact that I'm not quite as accurate with the
inside out as I am with the roll.  Does anyone else have an opinion on this
matter?

Kenny Schmidt
Clemson University
kschmid@hubcap.clemson.edu
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Subject: '93 College Natinals site needed

There are currently no bids for the '93 UPA College Nationals.

If you or your group are interested in hosting the event, know someone who
is, or would like to find out more details, please contact me.

Otherwise, please put the word out and keep your ear to the ground.

College Nationals needs to be held over Memorial Day Weekend (late May),
and requires 10 fields for 12 Open and 10 Womens' teams, plus the 
provisions and commitment to host a first class event.  Bid guidelines are
available.

Be the Barcelona of Ultimate.  Host College Nationals.



From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: Excellence in disc sport
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:39:00 -0500

JP>DDC title, followed up by winning the SCF event at the 1982 WFC,

I was at the 1982 WFC (1982 Mid Atlantic All Star for the Ultimate MA
vs NE game) and was watching the finals of the SCF (self-caught flight)
event. It was an incredible finish. Each player had five (or was it
three) throws. This really nice German player (Teorsten Goerke or
something was it?) uncorked this incredible 60+ meter SCF on his *last*
throw.  It was the longest throw that anyone had recorded the entire
week.  Harvey was the last thrower, and on *HIS* last throw, he also
uncorked this incredible throw.  Harvey was so nervous about it, that he
caught the throw about chest high.  It turned out he beat the German
fellow by something like less than two meters. It was an incredibly
dramatic ending to what I had previously thought was one of the most
boring events to watch.

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From: mauricec@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Maurice Cinquini)
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Subject: Worlds in Australia, Not!

On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:34:42 GMT jpj@cs.hut.fi (Juha Jalovaara) says:
> ...  One has to look at it also from the Asian/
> Pacific viewpoint: the Japanese have travelled to Worlds since 1984
> and the Aussies since 1988 (correct me, if I am wrong).  They should
> have something on their home court also.

Yes, Australia has been competing internationally since `88.  But, I
don't think you meant to imply that anywhere in the Pacfic was our
home court  (and you thought the Western Region was a big place :-)
Japan still so far away, the tournament might as well be in Europe or
the U.S.A.  But at last, we won't have jet lag to contend with.

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:20:48 GM davidb@is.morgan.com (David Birnbaum) says:
> ... Neither team is used to the heat, and the folks
> from the Southern Hemisphere have to deal with playing worlds in the
> middle of their off-season!  Perhaps a WFDF '93 Worlds bid from
> Queensland....?

Australia has no intention of hosting a World Championships in the
forseeable future.  If so few countries can afford to go to Japan,
then who will come down under?

What we can offer, though is an invite to our Nationals which will be
held late in January (see FAQ part 2).  1993 in Melbourne and plans for
a big one for Sydney in 1994 are already underway.

Thanks for the WUG'92 details David.

-- Maurice
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From: dunbar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Geoffrey Townse Dunbar)
Subject: Re: Stanford Tournament
Summary: Aug 15 and 16
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:53:20 GMT


The Stanford Tournament is happending this weekend. For men,
about 13 teams are currently expected, including East Bay and
South Bay. For women, I think only 4 teams are signed up- I
think for women, there will only be games on Saturday.

This is all the information I have, but the Stanford captains
can be reached at (415) 327-7862 (DAS-PUMA)- ask for Wes, Ed, or Mark.

Geoff Dunbar

From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: Disc at Rutgers
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:59:02 -0500

PS>Could someone send me email about the Ultimate team at Rutgers (practice tim
PS>and locations, contact phone #s

Rutgers "Machine": Geoff DiMasi 908-246-9308; Joe Lotrario: 908-846-7396

 * SLMR 2.1a * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!

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From: soc3@quads.uchicago.edu (paul  socolow)
Subject: Disc at Rutgers
Reply-To: soc3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:32:45 GMT

Could someone send me email about the Ultimate team at Rutgers (practice times
and locations, contact phone #s(assuming I'm noot violating UPA policy by
asking ;^), as I will be starting graduate study there in a couple of weeks.
Thanks,
  -Paul Socolow (soc3@quads.uchicago.edu)

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From: pbh@earl.bellcore.com (Operator Paul B. Hart)
Subject: Tournament in NJ, Sept 29-30
Organization: /bdfs/users/pbh/.organization
Distribution: rec.sport.disc
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:54:08

Forgot all the the details, but call number below for more information.

Type: Open Tournament
UPA Rating: 3 star tournament
Location: Around the Vineland, NJ Area (Southern NJ)
Size: 16-20 Teams
Fee: ~$50 per team
Camping Grounds w/in 10 minutes

Contact: Mike Adlis (609) 692 0379

-------------------------
Paul Hart
pbh@monolith.bellcore.com
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Subject: WUC...results???
From: trills@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:16:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington,  NZ

Is it possible for someone (anyone...) to keep us up-to-date with results 
from the World Ultimate Champs??? 

I don't know about other countries but the media coverage of disc sports is
basically non-existant here and our squad will be too busy to bother telling
us folks at home how they are doing!!

Thanks in advance,

Judi
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From: fontes@astro.psu.edu (Chris Fontes)
Subject: Re: Inside-Out v/s Roll
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:10:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.180630.28838@hubcap.clemson.edu> kschmid@hubcap.clemson.edu (kenneth w schmidt) writes:


   My teammate (X) received a pass on the sideline.  His marker was forcing 
   him flat so when he saw the next cut down the side (Y), he had a choice 
   of throwing an inside out flick or a backhand roll (he's right-handed).
   |                       |   He threw the roll and it bounced out of Y's  
   |  \                    |   outstretched hand.  My friend (the veteran 
   |   \                   |   player) said that an inside out would have 
   |    \                  |   been easier to catch because of the direction 
   |     Y                 |   of the spin.  With the roll pass, the edge   
   |                       |   of the disc that hit Y's hand was spinning  
   | X                     |   so that the disc had a tendency to accelerate 
   |                       |   off his hand, but the spin on the flick 
   |                       |   would have made the disc "stick" in Y's hand.


   Kenny Schmidt
   Clemson University
   kschmid@hubcap.clemson.edu
-------
Here's my $.02. (I'm assuming that "was forcing him flat" means trapping
him sideline.) The spin argument is not valid here. The spin of the disc
is in the SAME direction for each throw. If Y tries to catch the disc
with their left hand, the disc will tend to spin into their body, 
no matter which pass is thrown. However, the inside out is still
easier to catch because the disc is curving INTO the path of the
receiver while the roll curve moves away. These kinds of passes seem
easier to catch from my experience. Anyone else?
  To continue the thread, there is another (high percentage?) pass
that X can attempt. That is the high release backhand. This pass has
come a long way in the past few years. It is ideal for breaking a
force such as the sideline trap. If you proceed the throw with a
decent forehand fake, the backhand over the defender's right shoulder
is difficult to defend. If thrown properly, the disc is flat, rather than
banked, and is an easy catch for the receiver.
Adios,
Chris "Goin ho in the American Southwest." Fontes

From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
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Subject: WORLDS Update - Sunday, August 16
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:49:18 -0500

On 8/16/92 David Birnbaum said to All: 

  DB> 
  DB> 	     WORLDS Update - Utsunomia, Sunday, August 16
  DB> 
 Hey, thanks for the news!  It's fun to hear.  Please say hello to Andrea (U.S.
women) for me, and have fun.
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: Excellence in disc sport
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:49:12 -0500

JS>|> I was at the 1982 WFC (1982 Mid Atlantic All Star for the Ultimate MA
JS>|> vs NE game) and was watching the finals of the SCF (self-caught flight)

JS>I've never seen this before but then again I've only been exposed
JS>to disc-a-mania for the past year.  How is the distance measured,
JS>does the disc have to come back to you or do you go after it, etc.???

If I recall, you must release the disc within a circle (kinda like the
shot-put circle?), haul ass after the disc, and catch it with one hand.
Measurement is taken from the outside boundary of the circle to the
place where the catch was made.  I don't know what the record is, but as
I mentioned, the last throw (and catch) at the 1982 WFC had to exceed
60+ meters (62, 63, 67? I can't remember). And it did. (70+ yards!).

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From: vera@habitrail.Corp.Sun.COM (Vera Cheng - HRIS)
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Subject: Western Regionals
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:44:18 GMT
Reply-To: vera@habitrail.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: habitrail.corp.sun.com

Hi, could someone post the dates for the Western Sectional and Regional
tournaments and also where they are being played?  (Sorry if this has
already been asked for, but I don't read this newsgroup regularly.)

thanks,
vera
From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
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Subject: Re: Disc sanding
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:03:03 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation

In article <l8fm1oINN6vb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
> Dan Galvin writes:
>>
>>I went out to a wooded course in Niles Michigan this past
>>weekend.  Well needles to say, the pine trees were out in force,
> 
> Very clever pun, Dan.
> 
> Dudley
Thanks... It was bad, but intended!
Dan
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From: skoehler@tangelo.usc.edu (steffen koehler)
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Subject: Santa Cruz tourney contact
Date: 17 Aug 1992 13:59:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Could some kind netter please e-mail me the contact (name and phone
number) for the Santa Cruz Labor Day tournament?  No, not for me -- "it's
for a friend."

                     Thanks,

                        Steffen
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Subject: Re: Physics

>>the subtle difference between the 'physics' definition 
>>of a word and its 'common usage' definition.
...
>>we need only specify whether we are talking 'physicspeak' or 
>>'English' and most of the ambiguity will disappear since both 
>>are internally consistent.

I agree.  The only difference between the physics and dictionary
paradigms is the degree of precision, since they are *internally
consistent*.  I wish I had used that phrase, because that's exactly what
I was trying to get across.  The ambiguity is regarding degree of
precision, not content, and dictionary precision is what we need.  If we
get into the physics paradigm, things will get out of hand in a practical
sense.  Plus, as you know as a student of physics, even within that world
there is tremendous opportunity for lack of clarity in description and
even ambiguity (as well as elegance and simplicity).

It's a good idea to point out the paradigm we are using, although more
important I think to actually be consistent about it within the body of
the rules, because the rules document is what people will use, in style as
well as substance, to communicate regarding play.

If you please (IYP?) did my message get posted to the Net? (as opposed to
just the Ultimate.list). I am getting things returned as Service
Unavailable.  



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From: hal@biosys.apldbio.com (Hal Beilan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Stanford Tournament
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:27:35 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA


Anyone got info on the tournament at Stanford this weekend?
(I'm getting no replies from Alan)