HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who is the commentator in the diving?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul31.173347.6618@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.162327.8150@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> aksimha@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Arun Simha) writes:
>>   Gosh, and to think that we'll have to face 15 more days of Bob Costas
>>   and company! GASP!!!!!
>	Would you rather have to suffer through Bryant Gumbel again (gag)?

	Why not? They're undergoing 15 more days of Usenet.

-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:05:09 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Jul28.165354.9052@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.202411.7859@ecst.csuchico.edu> jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.154542.26682@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>>>
>>>Did anyone happen to catch the stupid comment made by one of the NBC announcers,during the parade of nations? It went something like this:  "The United States
>>>will be coming up soon because they are using the French alphabet."  The last
>>>time I checked, the French and English alphabets were pretty much the same.
>>>The reason that the US followed Estonia was because they were going in alpha-
>>>betical order according the French names.  United States = Etats Unies.  Pardon
>>>the spelling, since I don't have a French-English dictionary with me.
>>>
>>
>>One stupid comment?  I sat through an entire rendition of the New World Order
>>according to George Bush as read by Bob Costas.  The neo-colonial world view
>>was complete with lists of atrocities by each third world dictator (in lieu
>>of actual sporting information about the marching atheletes) that has fallen
>>out of favour with the state departement.  As expected, no mention of brutal
>>dictatorships, such as Algeria, that have the blessings of the Order.
>>Charles Barkeley's elbow is indeed very benign and innocent compared to this.
>>
>
>If Costas had been consistent, he would have introduced the U.S. as
>"the country that suffered deadly riots in one of its major cities a
>few months ago".
>

Excellent analogy.
Any country will have something bad to speak about, but definitely the 
time the NBC commentator chose was extremely inappropriate and the 
comments uncalled for.

>As to the events themselves, my major complaints are (i) if an
>American wins a medal, it's almost impossible to determine who
>finished behind them; and (ii) there is little or no attempt to bring you
>results from competitions that don't happen to be one of the very
>small number that NBC are focusing on.
>
>--
Very true

>Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

Ramakrishna
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: EQUESTRIAN: results!
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:42:08 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


For the Three-day Event, after the first day (I know the second
day's over now but I haven't been able to get results yet. They'll
be posted in the morning, with any luck.)

Top 8 after dressage:

Matthias Baumann       Alabaster         GER   43.80
Ian Stark              Murphy Himself    GBR   44.20
Karen Dixon            Get Smart         GBR   44.60
Mary Thomson           King William      GBR   47.20
Mark Todd              Welton Greylag    NZL   47.40
Marie-Christine Duroy  Quart Placine     FRA   48.20
Nils Haagensen         Discovery         DEN   48.80
J. Michael Plumb       Adonis            USA   49.60

other scores after dressage:

Michel Bouquet         Newport AA        FRA   49.80
Cord Mysegaes          Ricardo           GER   52.00
Lara Villata           Daylight          ITA   54.60
David Green            Duncan II         AUS   56.20
Richard Walker         Jacana            GBR   58.00
Andrew Nicholson       Spinning Rhombus  NZL   61.20
Luis Alvarez Cervera   Mr. Chrisalis     ESP   65.00
Rachel Hunter          King Plantagenet  CAN   80.20

team scores after dressage:

Great Britain     GBR     136.00
Germany           GER     148.00
France            FRA     162.80
New Zealand       NZL     166.60
Sweden            SWE     172.20
Australia         AUS     172.80
United States     USA     178.00
Italy             ITA     180.60
Canada            CAN     180.80
Netherlands       NED     183.60
Ireland           IRL     186.40
Belgium           BEL     191.00
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: A Question 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:42:31 GMT

rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:

>Since I am in the middle of watching NBC tape delayed coverage, I
>can't write all the results.  But I just thought that I'd let everyone
>know that Kim Zmeskal fell from the balance beam in the compulsories.
>She is currently in 32nd place.  Shannon Miller, on the other hand,
>hit all of her routines and is in 1st place.

>Zmeskal is now in danger of even qualifying for the all-around... only
>three per country may go.  Miller, Betty Okino, Kerri Strug, and
>Dominique Dawes are all ahead of Zmeskal.

I was wondering about how the all-around is determined.  Once a gymnast 
has qualified for the all-around, are her scores then thrown out?  Also,
is the individual event final held at the same time as the all-around?



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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Through Sunday.
Originator: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:40:15 GMT


Through Sunday's Events
                              Gold Silver Bronze Tot.
Unified Team                  2    0       0      2
China                         1    3       0      4
United States                 1    1       1      3
Hungary                       1    1       0      2
Bulgaria                      1    1       0      2
Australia                     1    0       1      2
Germany                       1    0       1      2
South Korea                   1    0       0      1
France                        0    1       1      2
Sweden                        0    1       1      2
Italy                         0    1       0      1
Yugoslavia                    0    0       1      1
Finland                       0    0       1      1
Holland                       0    0       1      1
Romania                       0    0       1      1




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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Let's vote  --- Who is the most unselfish player on the Dream Team?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.012505.17155@colorado.edu>, helen@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Helen Wong) writes:
|> In article <Jul.29.18.59.15.1992.10302@remus.rutgers.edu> chuanli@remus.rutgers.edu (chuanli) writes:
|> >I think "no ego" should be the No 1 quality for the  palyers on the
|> >Dream Team. Who do you think is the most unselfish player? 
|> >I vote for Ewing.  I will post the result after the final game.  
|> >
|> >**********************************************
|> >Franck
|> >Rutgers University
|> >New Brunswick, NJ
|> >**********************************************
|> 
|> 
|> Of course, majic johnson....he is the best point guard.
|> He makes the team unselfish!!!!

As I recall Majic once cut his salary to allow the Lakers to fit a new player in
under the salary cap. Now that's unselfish.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: neil@alpha.ma.adfa.oz.au (Neil Viney)
Subject: Re: SHOOTING: Results 7/26
Organization: Maths Dept. ADFA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134415.20447@athena.mit.edu>, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.175544.4210@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
> |> Eric West writes:
> |> >SUNDAY'S RESULTS
> |> >
> |> >Women's Air Rifle Final
> |> >
> |> >GOLD	Yeo Kab-Soon		KOR	498.2
> |> >SILVER	Vessela Letcheva	BUL	495.3
> |> >BRONZE	Aranka Binder (Independent)	495.1
> |>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
> |> >Aranka Binder
> |> >is the first "Individual Olympic Athlete" ever to win a medal.
> |> 
> |> Wow!  I didn't know this was possible/allowed.  I thought the Olympics
> |> were about nationals vs. nationals.  Where is she FROM anyway?
> 
> I would guess either Bosnia, Croatia or Slovenia.


NO!
Bosnians are competing for "Bosnia-Herzegovina".
Croatians are competing for "Croatia".
Slovenians are competing for "Slovenia".

But, UN sanctions against what remains of Yugoslavia (i.e., Montenegro and
Serbia) have been adhered to by the Spanish government and the IOC.
Some delicate diplomacy just before the games eventually allowed Yugoslavians
to compete as individuals, provided no official recognition was conferred
upon their country.  Thus they are listed as "Independent".

So, to cut the political crap, just substitute "Yugoslavia"  (or if you prefer,
"Serbia/Montenegro" -- no flames please) for "Independent".  


Neil.
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From: smcneil@metro (Shannon McNeil)
Subject: Re: SILTS <-- Sports I'd Like To See!
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:28:42 GMT

>>I nominate...
>>
>>  Synchronised drowning
>>  100m crab walk
>>  Egg-and-Spoon marathon  (gruelling 42km event...  Don't drop the egg)
>>  Chess  (yawn)
>>  Pancake flipping  (famous chefs about to make the perfect souffle)
> 
> Gardening
> Canine Frisbee (well, I think it's entertaining)
> Computer Programming (separate divisions for COBOL, C, etc.)
> Nintendo Decathelon
> House Painting
> 10K Hobby-Horse race
> Movie Reviewing
> Remote-Control TV Channel Flipping
> Weather Forecasting

No list is complete without...

Olympic Hide and Seek! (previously suggested by Monty Python)

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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: GYMNASTICS:  Opinions on Gutsu's new all-around chance
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:48:24 GMT


As many of you know by now, Unified team gymnast Tatiana Gutsu, who narrowly
missed qualifying for the all-around finals after a fall from the beam, is
now being given the chance to compete due to an injury of one of her gymnasts.
As the Soviets had been famous for faking injuries for this purpose, there
is a good deal of suspicion going around.  Here are my opinions:

1. I am not surprised.

2. I dislike the 3 gymnasts/nation rule and think it should be re-examined.

3. I think that regardless of whether that rule is not changed, there
   should be a rule added that 36 gymnasts qualify on the basis of
   their performance during the team competition (subject or not to the
   3/country rule as appropriate) and that if any of them should be injured,
   there may be no substitution and fewer than 36 gymnasts will compete. 
   It seems absurd to me that a gymnast who has qualified for an individual
   competition may be replaced by one who has not.

4. I feel badly for Roza (assuming it will be she who will be asked to fake
   an injury) but feel that if her training makes it clear that this is they
   way her nation (or team in this case) competes, it may not be so bad for 
   her.  It may be very clear that the top 6 finishers in their team selection
   process compete in the team competition, and the top 3 compete in the
   individuals, regardless of their performance in team, and if that requires
   bending the rules it will be done.  If this is the case then Galieva would
   have know that she would be competing in team only and not being given the
   chance to compete for a spot in individuals, and she would be doing the
   "right thing" for her team by forfeiting her "wrongly" achieved spot in
   finals.

5. If it is another gymnast I will believe that it is a genuine injury.

6. I am quite selfishly happy that I will get another look at Gutsu's beam
   routine because it surprised me so much the first time that I didn't get
   much of a chance to really enjoy it.

7. I disagree with another poster who said the injured gymnast should be
   subject to independent medical examination.  Although I believe substitution
   should not be allowed (see 3), I don't feel a gymnast who claims to be 
   physically unable to compete should ever be forced to do so.  (However,
   I might be willing to accept a variation on my no substitution rule that
   says that substitution may only be permitted in cases where injury is 
   substantiated by a panel of external doctors.)

--Robyn

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: chem7g@rosie.uh.edu (Shi, Zhiqiang)
Subject: French is the official language of the IOC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:12:00 GMT

After reading all the crap related to the controversy if one should have used
 catalan, spanish, english or french for deciding in which order countries
would appear in the parade, I would like to precise that:

French is the official language of the IOC

and it doesn't matter if the games take place in Seoul, Barcelona or Atlanta.

Probably, Dick Engberg with his very "appropriate" comments could have suggested
that as the IOC is headquartered in Lausanne (Switzerland), the "swiss" language
was used.
Such comment would have been of the same standard as his remarks about the 
Seychelles and Samoa or his comparison of country sizes with the state of Kansas
or Baltimore.


Feeling sorry for the American audience who has to rely on Costas and Engberg to
learn about geography.

When you watch the olympic coverage, you usually don't get the results but
you end up knowing about the family of the athlete or what he did in high 
school.
During the (so-called)  coverage of the Women Cycling (road race) on sunday
 evening, you had tendency to believe that the racers who broke away from the
 peloton usually did it during a commercial instead of a climb.


Serge

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: ben@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Ben Verwer)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Protest
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:24:02 GMT

reed@owlnet.rice.edu (Kevin Niles Reed) writes:

>While listening to the discussions about the US Volleyball team, I was given
>the impression that they are likely to win the Gold.  They were expected
>to win all the preliminary games quite easily.  The problem I have with the
>protest, is that if we set up an analagous situation in Basketball, we would
>accuse the players of being petty(boy am I going to get flamed for this).
>The US in all likelyhood will advance, with or without a victory over Japan.
>If the call was going to make a difference in the end, I could understand
>people's anger with the ruling.

WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT!


I can name at least 4 better teams IMO:
Cuba, Italy, Brazil and Holland

Ben
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:26:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Jul24.150250.411@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>
>If the NBC coverage of the opening ceremonies is as bad as
>CBS' coverage of the opening of the Winter Olympics, you
>won't get to see much.
>
>Happy viewing, everyone!
>

Eric,

If you didn't mind the frequency of the ads, the coverage was 1st rate.
I think NBC has learned since they covered Seoul in '88.(remember, they
haven't covered any kind of Olympics since God know when and with Bryant
Gumbel being a real TV hog,it didn't leave a good impression. At least,
Bob Costas knows SOMETHING about sports). Their preview show on Friday,
which I taped and watched on a Saturday morning, was very smooth.

-Mark

I'm actually starting to like the commercial coverage.
From: rachele@rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: updated event times?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 20:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: rachele@rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Organization: Rice University
Originator: rachele@sicilia.cs.rice.edu


Clari.sports.olympic posted another list of the event times.  By all 
appearances, it looks the same, but I s`pose if you went through it
with a fine tooth comb, you would find some changes.  At any rate, if
anyone want the latest list, email me and I will send it to you.  
Since it is so long (900+ lines) I would prefer not to post it, but
if my emailbox gets flooded, maybe I will change my mind.  ;)

Rachele
email: rachele@cs.rice.edu
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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: By George I've got it
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:01:48 GMT


Ok, I,ve figured out how to handle to Olympics coverage so that
the viewers, the networks and the IOC are all happy!

The IOC sells TWO types of coverage rights.

Type 1 is the type we have
now, this allow the winning network to show an unlimited amount
of hype, ads, features, music, promos, talking heads, biographies, summaries
interviews with coaches, officials, chefs, vintners, advertisers,
tourists, security guards, giant birds, archers, and
discussions from random highly-paid employees who have used thier
positions to get good seats and hotels and need this justified somehow.

This license will also allow them to show unlimited replys of 
flaming arrow shots.

The IOC should be able to get between 400 and 550 million US dollars
for this.

The networks clearly believe that this is what the viewers want, so they
will bid astronomical amounts for these rights.  In fact they will probably
bid even more than that since they will no longer have to waste the 10 to
15% of their air time showing competition, someone else will be stuck with
that chore.


Type 2 coverage grants the rights to show people competing.

The IOC should be able to get a couple of  hundred dollars more from this
license;  some network may bid a bit to try showing this portion of the
Olympics as an experiment.
-- 
Honk if you Teacup Chain...

	...Wex
From: gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty)
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (Was: Re: TripleCast Update)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:13:14 GMT

kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.022912.25843@jade.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul23.145615.27189@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
>|> >
>|> >Anita Nall is the world record holder in the women's 200m breaststroke.  She
>|> >is also a high school student.  Joe Hudepohl is going to the Olympics in the
>|> >200m free and a relay, and is also a high schooler.  So, "vlad", are they
>|> >"idle aristocrats" or "millionairs" (sic)?  If not, then they must be
>|> >receiving "money for their ahtletic performance".  What nefarious sponsor
>|> >do they have, other than their parents?

Well, I would note that they don't hold a job, and don't support themselves. Got any
examples of working people?? 
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From: rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson)
Subject: The games of 1906
Reply-To: rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:41:07 GMT

After the first Modern Olympics in Athens in 1896, Greece wanted to host
them every 4 years. When the IOC awarded the next Olympics to Paris, they
wanted to hold an Olympics in Greece in between the others (1898, 1902,
etc.) They did not get around to it until 1906, and that was the only
time it happened. These games were not recognized by the IOC. They were
variously known as the Intercalated Games, the Interim Games, the
Extraordinary Games and the Athenian Games. They were held from
April 22 to May 2, 1906. 877 men and 7 women from 20 nations competed.

  These games deserve more than a footnote. After the very disorganized
games of 1900 and 1904, the games might have died with another
"failure". But these, and the well-run London games of 1908 put the
games on sound footing.
  The 1906 games are also notable for the fact that 19 out of 20 of
the countries competing won medals!
-- 
Rolf Wilson     Illinois State Geological Survey    rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Re: Olympic Anecdote
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:18:04 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <-146519998@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
>
>Completely stupid, this.  If we want to see people compete at their best, we
>should allow them whatever clothing they want.  The original Olympics were
>contested by naked or thonged people (sensible Ancient Greeks !).  

I agree about letting people wear what they want, but the Greek method
is not necessarily sensible, depending on the sport. In a lot of things,
you compete considerably better with various parts strapped down. :-)


>Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.

	-Nora
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: BASEBALL: Results USA
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:48:33 GMT

---------------

Hi. USA beat China/Tai Pei 10-9 Monday evening. USA is now in good shape for
a medal.

-Ron
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From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: GYMNASTICS: results (event qualifiers for women)
Summary: Shannon Miller only gymnast to make all four event finals
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:05:21 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

I canceled my last post for this (#1523).  If you caught that one,
please note that I have corrected the floor finalists.

Results from the conclusion of the women's team competition
July 28, 1992

-- Qualifiers for event finals.

Top 8 qualify for each event.
* Not a finalist because only 2 per nation may compete in event finals

-- Women's Vault 

1, Shannon Miller, USA, 19.875. 
2, Henrietta Onodi, HUN, 19.862. 
3, Kim Zmeskal, USA,19.850. 
4, Lavinia Milosovici, ROM, 19.837 
5, Tatiana Lysenko, EUN, 19.824
5, Betty Okino, USA, 19.824 *
7, Gina Gogean, ROM, 19. 812
8, Svetlana Boguinskaia, EUN, 19.800
?, The next gymnast not from USA, ROM, or EUN will qualify.

-- Women's Uneven Bars 
1, Tatiana Gutsu, EUN, 19.899.
2, Kim Gwang-Suk, PRK, 19.875. 
3, Lavinia Milosovici, ROM, 19.862
3, Shannon Miller, USA, 19.862
5, Mirela Ana Pasca, ROM, 19.837
6, Lu Li, CHN, 19.824
7, Cristina Fraguas, ESP, 19.812
8, Li Li, CHN, 19.800
8, Cristina Bontas, ROM, 19.800 *

-- Women's Beam
1. Lu Li, CHN, 19.812
2. Svetlana Boguinskaia, EUN, 19.800
3, Tatiana Lysenko, EUN, 19.787
3, Shannon Miller, USA, 19.787 
5, Cristina Bontas, ROM, 19.762
6, Yang Bo, CHN, 19.725
7, Betty Okino, USA, 19.712
8, Li Yifang, CHN, 19.699

-- Women's Floor Exercise 
1, Svetlana Boguinskaia, EUN, 19.900
1, Cristina Bontas, ROM, 19.900
3, Henrietta Onodi, HUN, 19.862
3, Lavinia Corina Milosovici, ROM, 19.862.
5, Tatiana Goutsou, EUN, 19.850 
5, Kim Zmeskal, USA, 19.850
7, Oksana Chusovitina, EUN, 19.837 *
8, Gina Gogean, ROM, 19.787 *
8, Shannon Miller, USA, 19.787
?, The next gymnast not from USA, ROM, or EUN will qualify.




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