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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:37:06 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <TIM.93Jan6184429@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes that The City...

>   ... is Constantinopolis...

>It's Istanbul, not Constantinople.  :-)

I always find it hard to interpret smileys.  I should note simply
that I mentioned "eis ton polin" BECAUSE it is the aition of "Istambul"
I *suspect* that Tim knows this and is making explicit what I was
trying pedantically to hide and say at the same time...
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Silly digression (was Re: Dworkin)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:28:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.103955.2961@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.052511.24102@netcom.com>
> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> 
> >Hence the old saying, "Some men are born great, some achieve
> >greatness, and some have greatness thrust within them."
> 
> >(Jess? Does this get me in your quotes file?)
> 
> Certainly not; you didn't say it, although one wonders about
> "within," and I would bet anything it's "upon."  What *were*
> you thinking of?

Jess, you haven't had that second cup of coffee yet, have you? I
presume Andrew's substitution of words to be deliberate, an attempted
witticism, with possible reference to the "size" thread. Not brilliant
enough by a long shot for the quotes file, but perhaps not so dumb as
to be beneath your notice, either.
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (Snappy comebacks to assholes)  
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:58:45 GMT

Jim had some snappy come-backs for when loud people yell "faggot!" or
the equivalent at us in the streets.  I'm filing  these away for
future reference (though I must admit,  I don't often get yelled at...)
Jim suggested:
>1)  Don't loose your cool.
>
>2) Get in thier face, and make them think.  Those things really fuck with thier 
>   reality.  Single out the 'leader' and nail him verbally.
>
>some snappy comebacks are:
>
>"faggot!"
>'That's MS. FAGGOT to you'
>(I have copyright on this one kiddies!)
>
>"cock-sucker!"
>'Yeah, and the best there is!'
>
>'Bitch!  Your just pissed 'cause I wouldn't trick with you last night!'
>

To these I would add:

	"FAGGOT!"
	"Really?  Me TOO!"



-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:58:34 GMT

More on puzzling harassment:

I was tubing down a very slow moving river in Connecticut half-asleep,
when I realized that a boy (9-12 years old?) also tubing down the
river had been yelling "ching chong" nonsense "chinese" talk at me.
He then called, "Ancient chinese saying: man no like woman with hairy
legs."

In one phrase, this child managed to encompass racism and sexism and
heterosexism.  It seemed such a non sequitor, I was a little amused,
and more than a little horrified.  

I still can't figure out how he saw the hair on my legs from across the river. 
I mean, it is pretty dark, but sheesh!

Caroline
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Enjoying Smallpox
Summary: Not anymore, you aren't.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:28:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.052451.1833@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>I recall an article about the last frozen stores of smallpox culture, and  
>their destruction. There was some question about the wisdom of destroying  
>the last vestige of a disease organism... it isn't exactly fresh in my  
>mind.
>
>-Anthony
>

Yes, the last three places where the virus was kept were in Moscow,
somewhere in South Africa, and the CDC in Atlanta.  They were recently
destroyed, supposedly eliminating the virus from the planet.  There
was some talk along the lines of "you never know when or why we might
actually *need* this stuff later on," but I think it was just last
minute jitters.  Besides, the entire genetic and physical structure of
the virus was catalogued before its destruction, so it could
theoretically be made from scratch, if need be.

--scoT


-- 
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   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (Snappy comebacks to assholes) 
Organization: Software Toolz, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:04:59 GMT

Bigots are infuriated when they find that they have no way of 
insulting you, i.e. you take being called "queer" as a compliment.

Respond with a "Thank you!" or, "God Bless You!"

Watch them fume...

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I'm not cynical.  Just experienced.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 19:31:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <KMEYER.93Jan6163639@solarium.aero.org>

Kraig Meyer writes:
>> Ron Buckmire asks:
>>>What are other people doing for New Year's eve in LA?
>
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) said:
>> Going to San Francisco.  ;-{)##]
>
>Just remember, Los Angeles has more gay people in it that San
>Francisco has people.

So?  San Francisco seems to have more gay men I find *attractive*
than Los Angeles does.

 
() AIDS is a virus; *George Bush* is a punishment from God.
()      -- Jaffe Cohen
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:37:30 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan5.225600.25862@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Will it sound like "I had no idea there were so many soap users here"
>if I say "I had no idea there were so many cologne wearers here"?

Yes, but one has to be mindful of the context of where it's worn sometimes.
I switch between Gray Flannel and Oscar de la Renta's pour Homme, but when
you work with a clinic full of veterans from eastern North Carolina it can
make things a little strange sometimes.  Oh, well.

Peace
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:16:08 GMT

frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote: 
->Steve mentions reading the label (to get the ingredients).

henry recommends reading the label to get the usage directions; a
particular harvard community health care "doctor" prescribed something
for scabies with the wrong directions, and i ended up poisoning myself
with the stuff (result: red all over for days ... the itching was
gone, but i looked something like a red-hot pillsbury doughboy).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Obtusity (was: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...))
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:55:51 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk) wrote:
 
> Ye, Je?

Yo, bro!

> [Good-oh.  Including the two newish Marco Polo recordings?]

I couldn't say, actually.  I was so shocked to see that
this store had a *divider* with his name, and several
Brian recordings behind it, that I can't even remember
what they were.  Is there someone doing a new, complete
cycle of the symphonies?  Some of them seemed to imply that.

> When was the last time you *saw* me bite on a ball?

Egads!  You don't actually *bite*, do you?

[referring to yours truly:]
> Pillock!  Fathead!

Besides, mom always liked you best.  We could try, 
but it seems doubtful to me that we could sustain 
this nearly so well as Arne and George have.

Um, dork!

[I just don't know -- maybe I can get lessons from Mara.]

> "*pium* n. a small but very troublesome Brazilian biting fly"
> -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)

It seems to me that the degree of troublesomeness would
depend on whose fly he might actually be biting, but
why does it need to be a *small* Brazilian?  Wouldn't a
very *large* Brazilian be far more troublesome?

--jns
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Places in Paris
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:08:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.100810.3593
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0E6M7.Dsn@fig.citib.com> swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) writes:
>
>Does anyone have suggestions on where to stay in the Marais?  Also interested
>in where the good leather places are.  Any info appreciated!
>
>Thanks!!

I wouldn't suggest the Hotel Central. Awful, from all reports. I
always recommend the Hotel Axial Beaubourg. Not 'gay', but awfully
festive, and the staff speaks good English. Good rooms, and walking
distance to everything.

Leather, Leathery Clubs:
Le Keller - real Leather, real S&M, very busy nowadays, backroom.
Le Transfert - Leather/Levi/etc. Piss scenes after 2, often.
Le Trap - Designer Leather, backroom, frequented by J.P. Gautier, 
          Montana, and the like
Le Mec Zone - To be Avoided
La Luna - Tuesdays has 'military training camp' night. Frisky. Backroom.
Le OneWay - Leathery, but always extra bear, and friendly. Backroom.
La Moustache - Redone. Not too leather, but beary and friendly. Backroom.
Le MicMan - I don't like it but some do. Backroom.

Discos:
Le Manhattan - Disco. Leathery. Backroom. Like walking into 1978.
Le 3045 - OKish.
L'Insolite - Portugese-mafia-operated disco. Mildly popular. Leathery.

Cruising:
Canal St.-Martin - Leathery outdoor sex spot. You will need a guide.
Quai d'Austerlitz - Leathery rough scenes oudoor sex spot. Go with someone.
Tuileries - People actually fist in the bushes. After 2am.
Quai d'Orsay - interesting walk-through tunnels after 2am.

Lesbian:
La Scandalo - I think Tsilke and Krys found it interesting. Backroom.
Cirque d'Hiver - if there is a 'gay' night, it means lots of women.

There is also the 'guided tour'. Ask other Motssers to rate an evening out.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: penis size: an apology
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:51:14 GMT


In article <C0Fsy3.H6v@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <C0EDzp.J2E@agora.rain.com>, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
|> 
|> |> So anyway, even though I just committed the electronic equivalent of dropping 
|> |> my trousers in the middle of a cocktail party, I feel more than ever a
|> |> part of this group.
|> 
|> Cause and effect, I say.  I don't think of
|> someone as a true friend until we've seen
|> each other naked.
|> 

Greg dear.... I don't think we're going to be friends.....<grin>

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:00:56 GMT

TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes of Madonna:
 
 >Methinks that by now we've seen just about every orifice
 >the woman owns.


And maybe a few that she was just renting.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:33:41 GMT
	<C0Hqrx.Ft0@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>
	<1993Jan7.183017.28656@psych.toronto.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes about Mrs. Miller
singing "Downtown":

   I thought either the
   tape or the records had been damaged at some point, but Barry assured
   me that, yes, that's what she sounded like and, yes, people bought her
   recordings.

It _is_ what she sounded like.  The phrase "wounded animal" comes to
mind. 

Mrs. Miller is/was an older woman who attended (almost?) every taping
of the Merv Griffin Show (oooh, oooh).  I don't know if she's still
alive.  She had her own seat, and Merv (oooh) would often talk with
her during his monologue.  She was one of the first persons to become
a celebrity by being a fan.  And someone put her in the studio to
record "Downtown." I'd love to know what was on the flip side.

Is mentioning Merv (oooh) enough OBmotss content, or should I add that
maybe Dame Edna should record "Downtown," too?

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: H20, Greehouse, meteorology (was Re: kommotion...)
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:01:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan12.200154.29661
Organization: insert anything here

gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.180321.7179@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
>Donahue) writes:

>>	right now I have about a dozen stars that are like the Sun 
>>more or less yet half show a pattern of rotation that is compeltely 
>>back-asswards -

>How does a star do this?  And can mere mortals learn?
	
If I knew the answer to THIS I'd be bucking for more than a lousy PhD!
:-)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 23:14:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73149@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan8.041350.882@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>>I've never met him in person; my entire opinion of him is derived
>>from the nasty, vitriolic postings to .motss that Steve finds so
>>inexplicably charming. So telling me to "read without prejudice"  
>>would only lead to me coming to the same conclusion all over again.
>
>_What_ nasty vitriolic postings?  Hey, he doesn't suffer fools gladly.

He *has* to. He's around himself 24 hours a day. As for the
nasty vitriol -- at minimum, 50% of posting, usually more.

As I recall, I wasn't the only one to object to Arne sharpening
its tongue on someone new to .motss, whose only "crime" was
asking a harmless, mildly naive question or two.

>That's a feature.     

**NOT**.

There *are* people who deserve a dash of salt in the eyes and a
rapier 'twixt the ribs; but it seems that this sort of thing is
Arne's *primary* mode of social interaction. It's almost like 
he took Donelan's "Darling! Being a bitchy queen is the most fun
you can *have* without a condom!" cartoon as the blueprint for his
entire life....

>>Try re-reading this, moron -- maybe you'll catch a badly needed clue:
>>That tired old queen?  Why the hell would anyone bother
>>talking to a drab who'd chose to live in *Glendale*?
>>Putting shit like that in a message where you whine about not
>>being able to fathom why I find you about as pleasant as salt
>>in an open wound is an *amazing* -- though not uncharacteristic
>>--example of your hypocrisy.
>
>That's known as George-baiting, not whining, and not hypocrisy, George.

1 for 3, Steve.  Whether he's "baiting" me or not is irrelevant.
It's an excellent example of his retarded approach to social 
interaction -- which is laden with whining and hypocrisy.

 
() They kick you when you're down, but if you don't get down
() they can't kick you.
()      -- Heidi Leiter, high-school student who took her
()         girlfriend to the prom.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:12:21 GMT

In article <rizzoe.642.726446776@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
 
>In the most recent episode of Northern Exposure, one of the regulars,
>Maurice, who is a total bigot (this is a major part of his character), hires
>two gay archaeologists to excavate some Indian artifacts.  He then makes the
>following comment to another character, Maggie, who *doesn't* pick up on it:
>
>    You know, Maggie, fairies are the perfect people to do this kind of
>    work.  Biologically, their upper bodies are strong enough to wield a
>    pick-axe, but temperamentally they're, uh -- precise and meticulous.
>
>Now, the show has a reputation for being very gay friendly (I believe
>it even won some kind of award) but I took exception to the fact that
>this comment was allowed to pass (in other episodes, Maurice has been
>called to account for racist or chauvinist comments).  On the other
>hand, Northern Exposure was showing gays in a non-stereotypical
>profession (in my college days as a classics major, the archaeologists
>I knew were all very randy heterosexuals).
>
>I introduced  this topic earlier in the week on alt.tv.northern.exp and
>got some positive responses.  Any thoughts from soc.motss?
 
My girlfriend and I watched this show together, and to be frank, I
just wrote it off as more of Maurice's ignorance. He bashes the gay
couple mercilessly until he needs them to help him with his latest
project, whether it be archeology or cooking. I figured Maggie let
it pass because her mind was on other things, like getting the idiot
ex-astronaut out of her front yard.
 
The show's gay-friendly reputation is well-deserved. The town apparently
was founded by a lesbian couple, and their relationship was portrayed
in a warm, non-stereotypical way. So I'm willing to forgive one lapse
because I know the producers' hearts are in the right place.
 
Tracey
From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coors heir comes out
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:10:47 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

> In article <1993Jan10.225817.23646@macc.wisc.edu>
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>   In article <1993Jan10.223921.29661@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
>   (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>   >Dallas Coors, the 75-year-old heir to the Coors Beer fortune, came out
>   >as a gay man in an interview [...]
>   >I'm amazed that there was no mention of the role Coors beer played in
>   >establishing a world where "that type of thing is totally unacceptable".
>
>   Perhaps it's wise not to feed the hand that bites you.

My Grandfather was a Vice-president for Coors for almost 30 years and
during the 70's and early 80's if you didn't fit the ideal mold at
Coors you were fired.  One of the conditions was obviously
homosexuality, which the Coors family thought was on the same level as
murder.

I remember many a visit to Golden to visit my grandparents which would
end up with a night on the 'mountain', a trip to the Coors estate on a
bluff overlooking Golden.  There the family would be treated to
cookies, cake, coffee, and (obviously) beer where we would have to
sit and listen to Peter Coors.  Suffice it to say that I can
understand why Dallas would not come out to his family until now.

Later...Randy


-- 
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Cray Computer Corporation                                Randy Murrish
1110 Bayfield Drive                                   mush@craycos.com
Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:07:38 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Mike Reaser writes:

>Coming out of the tunnel from Logan at night onto 93-95-80-eieio (aren't
>there about 5 Interstates that come together at once?), with eight 
>lanes worth of traffic moving north but _no_ lanes marked anywhere, 
>is a heart-pumping experience I never want to see again.

Y'all are a bunch of pantywaists.  When you can handle l'Etoile under any
circumstances, _then_ you get your Butch Driving Badge.  It can be up
to a dozen (dynamic) lanes all going in a circle.  All traffic entering 
from the right has unconditional right-of-way.  Thus, it is sporting to 
come charging up, say, ave Kleber, and whack into the mass doing 70 kph.
The first time I did this in my new, just-driven-from-the-dealership GTI,
I _knew_ I was butch.  Exiting takes another set of skills entirely.

Damn, I miss Paris.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:23:57 GMT


In article <1993Jan4.081233.27128@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

|> To each his own.  I once had a hunky houseguest I was slobbering over
|> until I noticed his bottle of "Oil of Olay" on the nightstand.  That took
|> care of my ardor rather neatly.

Let's be fair here.  Some of us have skin which
doesn't respond well to cold dry air, so in the
winter we use moisturizing creams.  Different
skin types respond differently, and when you find
something that works, you stick with it.  It may
be that Oil of Olay worked for your houseguest;
would you have preferred him to have dry, flaky,
uncomfortably itchy skin?

Of course, it does have an irritating odor which 
has put it on my "doesn't work" list.  I could be
accused of being too faggy because what works for
me is something called "Basic Homme" that I can't
find in the States anymore.  It doesn't make me
break out and it prevents my face from drying out
too much and it doesn't smell when it's on.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
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