HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xx162@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (CWRU Office of Career Planning and Placement)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered.entry,misc.jobs.offerred,misc.jobs.resumes
Subject: EMPLOYERS:  COME MEET TOMORROW'S LEADERS
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:19:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: xx162@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (CWRU Office of Career Planning and Placement)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Case Western Reserve University, ranked in the top quartile among a select group
of national universities, has outstanding undergraduate and graduate programs
in engineering, sciences, accounting/management, and the liberal arts.
Our faculty include leaders in fields from biomedical engineering to business,
and from polymers to political science.  Students in over 60 degree programs
(nearly 70% of our freshmen entering in 1991 ranked in the top 10% of their
high school class) gain hands-on experience through internships, co-op,
and other collaborative programs.  We have the most advanced electronic
learning environment at any American University:  CWRUnet ("crewnet"),
consisting of over 25,000 miles of fiber optic cable which links
microcomputers in student dormitories, faculty offices, laboratories, and
other locations with libraries, supercomputers, and major information
sources around the world.

In short, our students aren't just ready for the future -- they ARE the future.
To tap into our outstanding pool of new graduates and experienced alumni, send
job annoucements via e-mail or contact us directly at:

Career Planning and Placement
Case Western Reserve University
10900 Euclid Avenue
Cleveland, OH  44106-7040

ph:  216-368-4446
fax: 216-368-4759
From: bsridhar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sridhar B)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: System Administrators: starting salaries; Part-time
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:36:44 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
Originator: bsridhar@mordred.eng.buffalo.edu


Hi,
	Could anybody please give me some information on how much the starting
pay would be for a part-time system administrator?

If it makes a difference, this is in Buffalo, NY.

Sridhar
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: the second interview
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:57:58 GMT

plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:

>In article <1992Oct29.173427.5099@seas.smu.edu> reddy@seas.smu.edu (N. Urimindi) writes:
>>>2) If a company is willing to pay to fly someone in for an interview, how
>>>likely is it that they will eventually extend an offer to that person?
>>
>>I would say that your chances of getting the job are 90%, because it's
>>your 2nd interview with the same company.

I just came back from a second interview (plant trip), out of state..
BUT I know there is 1 position open and 4 people where plant tripped.

that means that all things equal, I have a 25% chance of that job 
(and that assumes that one of the four WILL get the job, which
I am sure is probably the case).  That's a long way from 90%, but
I still have my fingers crosses (BTW this was a big company with
like 1400 employees at the sight of the interview, with several other
sights...).

Chad

--

Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: Living in a rural area and having a 'high-tech' job (Possible?)
Keywords: rural living,high tech job
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:32:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.171549.23644@smsc.sony.com>, mb@smsc.sony.com (Michael Burg) writes:
>
>I would like to here from people who have done (or are doing) this (living
>in a rural area and having a high-tech job). And I would like to know...
>
>1) How did you find the job(s)? (headhunter, newspaper??)

I used headhunters, misc.jobs.offered/resumes, and professional contacts.  I had
interviews as a result of all three of those channels, but ended up taking a job
I located through a contact.

>   a) Was/Is this for a major company? 

Martin Marietta Energy Systems, a division of Martin Marietta Inc., runs DOE's
Oak Ridge facilities including ORNL.  We have something like 21,000 employees at
three locations.

>2) Do you commute to a urban area for work?

No, Oak Ridge is best described as suburban, though it's not far at all from
ruralia/urbania.

>  a) Does your company allow you to 'telecommute' or work at home?

No.  Despite the advantages, most companies are very reluctant to allow
telecommuting.  Maybe someday...

>3) How does your pay compare to a job in a urban area (after adjusting
>   each for the cost of living in either area)?

Pretty well.

>Just how many computer companys are there in area mention above (i.e. Pacfic-
>Northwest) that are located in rural areas???

Can't help you there.  You might have to broaden your search area or widen your
job objectives to include technical support at a non-computer-manufacturer.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: Easy Work
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:04:50 GMT


In article <1992Nov7.095800.44502@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, cheng@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>	Easy Work! Excellent Pay! Taking snapshots. 
>	Send a self-addressed stamped envelop to:
>        
> 	Hang 
>	9525 Monrovia, #203
>	Lenexa, KS66215

Is it just my imagination, or are these getting to be commoner than
hemmorhoids?

Do I have the net's permission to harrass this person via email?

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Walter Lee    w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Don't blame me, I didn't vote!
From: alanlb@bethesda.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Wanted: address for NeXT Inc.
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: alanlb@csgrad.cs.vt.edu

Hi there!  I would like to apply for a position within NeXT to
work on NeXTSTEP development at their Redwood City, CA headquarters.
I'd appreciate it if somebody could provide with the proper
address to send my resume/cover letter to.

Thanks!

-alan l. batongbacal
From: fino@point.cs.uwm.edu (Alexander Finogenov)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: I need advices
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:51:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5

: I need advices on how to deal with the boss who is breaking
: our agreement. My boss offered me a position with a writting
: letter two months ago...

I have no legal education or background. Everything I say here is only my
personal opinion which may not be trusted in any way.

If I were in such situation, I would:

0. Start looking for the job IMMEDIATELY. Only if everything will go extremely
smoothly it would make sense to continue working for this company.

1. Make sure that the offer is unambiguous and that I understand it correctly
by discussing the problem with someone unbiased (a lawer is the best, but at
this stage may not be necessary). Posting relevant fragments of the offer
(without any names and references to real companies and people, of course)
here or in misc.legal may help.

2. If this person agrees with me regarding the meaning of the offer, go
straight to the top - president or vice president or the owner of the company-
and politely explain the situation. I would ask them to comply with the
agreement, reassign me to a different boss (if possible) and let them name the
time frame within which all this can be straighten out.  One week is the maximum
I would agree with.
pay only a certain percentage of the money he wins for you. I've never done
this, but I've heard that 30% is reasonable) and sue their pants off!!

My rule number 1: "Store originals in a secure place and use only copies
		to present your case."
My rule number 2: "Always save a copy of any paper you sign."
My rule number 3: "Always assume that someone is taping your conversation -
		than you won't say anything you may regret of saying later."

Good luck!

Alex
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:18:57 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Nov12.095417@ties.bell-atl.com> df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com writes:
>I don't think most companies make a strong connection between the fact that
>when you pay somebody a salary, it is a cost/investment to hopefully get
>something equal in value or better in return for the companies benefit. 
>And if there is anything that I really hate, it is when companies act like
>they are doing you a favor by offering you a job.

   But at places that take that reasoning to the extreme, things can
be even worse.  For example, I know of a place (;-) where each type
of position is rated by how much that position is worth to the
organization, using what seem to be rational criteria.  Of course,
that means there is little attention paid to the wider market for
identical positions, and little attention paid to the actual amount
of work any particular person does.  That leads to all kinds of
problems, such as difficulty in keeping people, difficulty in finding
replacements, discontent within the organization, difficulty in getting
paid a reasonable salary elsewhere due to narrow-minded individuals who
put too much emphasis on salary history, etc.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: ccg@access.digex.com (Catalina Consulting Group)
Subject: Solaris 1.x/2.x Consulting/Training
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:38:49 GMT

I would like to introduce myself and my business to
the network. I have formed a company called Catalina
Consulting Group near Baltimore, Maryland. 

I will do work on a contract/consulting basis focusing
on the following areas:

	Sun MicroSystems Issues
		4.x InternalDevice Drivers
		5.x Internals/Device Drivers
		4.x -> 5.x application and driver porting
		4.x/5.x System administration Issues.
		Sun Net Manager Installation

	Customized Training
		NIS+
		DNS
		Threads
		Networking/RPC programming
		SunNet Manager Agent Writing

	I have 14 years experience with UNIX and C programming
in many areas from network programming to large scale software
design. I have partners who can work on System Administration
Tasks from installing to debugging the network to studying
performance issues for your site.

	The training programs I have developed are 2-3 day 
hands-on seminars that can be delivered at your site or mine.
They can be tailored to suit your company needs and shortened
by not including the hands on portions. 

	I have been conducting installation and training on
Solaris 2.x systems for a while and can help in the area as well.

	If any of these fields are a need for your organization
please contact me:

	CATALINA CONSULTING GROUP
	John Graham, President
	512 Academy Avenue
	Owings Mills, MD 21117
	Phone - 410-363-0614
	e-mail - ccg@access.digex.com

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY HISTORY
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:16:23 GMT

>In article <BwwJvr.IMu.2@cs.cmu.edu> msm@mse.cmu.edu (Mark S McWhinney)
writes:
>
><   I believe that the rate of increase in salary is a better indicator
><   than final salary.  An applicant that has an annualized increase of 8%
><   is one that has been given merit increases.  An applicant that has an
><   annualized increase of 5% or less is one that was simply given the
><   minimal, cost of living adjustment.

A candidate that has also received 3% to 5% salary increases may have been
working at a company that was shrinking, e.g. DG, Wang, Prime, DEC...

A second reason may be politics.  This is why the candidate is looking for a 
new job.  Make no mistake, computer companies have been around long enough
that politics has reared its head more than once.

J
From: goss@mtechca.maintech.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Which way to go ?????
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:30:49 GMT
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources, Inc. Orange, CA

I need a little help, and I'm not sure if this is the right group to post to
but here goes. I've been in the computer industry for over 15 years on the
hardware side. Doing tecchnical support, field service, teaching, design and
intergration, and management. I see the hardware side going away. What would be
the best route to take from here to get out of the hardware tech. support
stuff? Into something with more of a future. Any suggestions welcome.
Sorry if this is the wrong group to post to.

send suggestion to the e-mail address below. 
thanks
Derrick
*<<<<<<<<<<<<< MY OPINIONS ARE MINE AND NOT THAT OF MY EMPLOYER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*
 Derrick D. Goss                                      e-mail: goss@mtechca.uucp 
 Tech. Assistance Center_______MAINTECH:a division of Volt Delta Resources, Inc 
 voice: 1.714.921.7608                                  2401 North Glassell St.
 fax: 1.714.921.7510                                Orange, CA,  USA 92665-2705
**********************  Internet Z-CAR CLUB MEMBER # 12  ***********************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" 280ZX owners do it with a stick" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: USENET Salary Survey
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:53:00 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.030926.5039@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Walter Lee    w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
> 
> Don't blame me, I didn't vote!
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

- As good a reason to blame you anyway :-)

Kev.
-- 
Kevin Cameron          CLSI, Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd., MD 21045, USA
kevin@clsi.com         Tel: (USA) (410) 992 5700 (- 5709) X224
uunet!clsi.com!kevin   Fax:       (410) 992 3536
----------------------------------------------------------- Reality Is virtual
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:02:14 GMT

aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) writes:

>Pat Wilson writes:
>>Rather than salary history, I look for increasing responsibilites over
>>time - that's *much* more an indicator than mere money.  

>This indicator assumes that if someone is talented in a field, they
>should want to move into management. I'm a writer, and a very good
>writer. While I can manage individual or group projects, I don't want to
>become a project manager. That would mean giving up what I do
>best--writing--for something I do moderately well--managing people. 
>   Though I'll agree this is a better evaluation tool than increase in
>salary, still this seems to base a person's worth on their ambition--not
>on their skills.

	Not really.  "increasing responsibilities" does not necessarily
	mean "increasing management responsibilities".  For example, if
	you start out as a system operator and acquire more and more
	system administration skills and responsibilities and perhaps
	receive a promotion to system administrator, then this is an
	increase in responsibilities.  If you start out as an junior
	accounting employee and slowly move up so that you are providing 
	accounting support for several contracts, then this is a noticeable
	increase in responsibility.

	One can increase one's technical responsibilities without 
	increasing one's management responsibilities.  For example, in
	my last job, I was a system administrator for a network of about
	40 or so machines.  Now, I'm a senior system administrator for
	a network of 85 or so machines.  This is a noticeable increase
	in responsibility (technical).

	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
From: cozza@phage.cshl.org (Steven Cozza)
Subject: Headhunters in the North East
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:15:10 GMT

I am looking for a list of Headhunters in the North East Area that
specialize in placing Computer Programmers with relational database
experience. I'm mostly interested in those that cover Long Island,
New York City, but I wouldn't mind having a more extensive list.
Perhaps there is a FAQ?

-steve
--
##   Steven Cozza                      |  Internet: cozza@cshl.org   ##
##   Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory     |  Phone:    (516) 367-8864   ##
##   Box 100, 1 Bungtown Road          |  FAX:      (516) 367-8461   ##
##   Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724-2213 |                             ##
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: df2tg2n@ties.bell-atl.com (Steve Rosen)
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY
Reply-To: df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com
Organization: Bell Atlantic - Phila, PA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:54:17 GMT

In article <wf0ES4G00UhW81Rnsw@andrew.cmu.edu>, aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> This calls to the mind another problem with revealing salary histories.
|> It biases the hiring manager to exclude you if he/she feels you made
|> more money in your last job than they're willing to pay. By judging you
|> on your salary history up front, they're denying the employee the chance
|> to say "hey, if the job is rewarding in other ways, I'm willing to take
|> less money."
|> 

Normally I would agree with you, but I have recently had an experience
where I revealed my salary history to a potential employeer.  I was
hesitant to mainly because I didn't expenct the job to be high paying
(because of the type of business the employeer does), even though the
worked seemed very, very interesting - which is why I continued to pursue
it.  I also told them what salary range I would expect. I haven't yet
received an offer, but am told one is shortly coming shortly.

The point is, I was told by the hiring manager (who really seemed to like
me and appreciate my skills) "that you get what you pay for" and he would
work to get me the salary I deserve.  So in my case at least, it is the
exact opposite of what you say - very unique I admit, but I was impressed
by the enlightened attitude of the company or at least the hiring manager
and took an immediate liking to them.  Perhaps with some work, they realize
they may have to adjust their salary scale up (at least on a case by case
basis) to get the people they need to do the work right, rather than most
companies I have found which just see salaries as cost, cost, cost.  I
don't think most companies make a strong connection between the fact that
when you pay somebody a salary, it is a cost/investment to hopefully get
something equal in value or better in return for the companies benefit. 
And if there is anything that I really hate, it is when companies act like
they are doing you a favor by offering you a job.

-- 
Steve Rosen
From: tmis1692@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How do you get a Federal job?
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:58:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: altair.1992Nov9.125815.1042
Distribution: world
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

I am interested in learning about computer programming/management positions
within the Federal Government.  Does the government post listings of job
openings related to computer programming and computer systems management?  What
is the procedure to follow when applying for a government job?

Thanks for any info, advice, tips, traps etc.

Kevin Calmes - TMIS1692@selu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: moore@iastate.edu (Brian J Moore)
Subject: How do I charge for a one-time programming job?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:39:19 GMT


How does one charge for a one-time programming job?  Someone wants me to
write a program, so what do I charge them?

I realized it has a lot to do with the scope of the program, but where
do I begin???

Thanks,
Brian


-- 
   ________________________________________________________________________
  /                                  /                                    /
 /  Brian J. Moore                  /                  moore@iastate.edu /
/__________________________________/____________________________________/
From: v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Canadian engineer seeks job in UK, Europe, Russia
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:35:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




I am an engineer (masters): Ghz telecommunications, hardware, 
video, audio (analogue and digital), cinematography, internal 
combustion engines. 20 years of experience, 18 years of 
enthusiasm. English, Russian, French. Apartment in Moscow and 
lots of connections (personal, professional, busuiness) in 
Russia. Will be able to avert expensive falures due to unique 
Russian business mentality and scruples (often lack thereof).
Candian citizen. t. 514 683 71 55. 11 Valmount, Dollard, Quebec
H9B 2T8
From: resumes@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Resumes from Usenet)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Unix Kernel Development
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:53:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com


			Unix Kernel Jocks
			=================

Harris Computer Systems, a division of the Harris Corporation, is
seeking experienced software engineers to fill a variety of full time
product development positions at our Ft. Lauderdale, FL headquarters.
The Computer Systems Division designs and manufactures UNIX based
multiprocessor computer systems for real-time simulation, Ada
development systems, multi-level secure systems, power plant control
systems, weather radar systems, and other applications with real-time
computing needs.

All positions require a BSCS/BSEE or equivalent, a minimum of two
years experience with a strong background in C and UNIX internals, and 
U.S. citizenship or permanent residency.

We are currently staffing projects that involve porting the 
latest SVR4 (ESMP) release to a multiprocessor architecture.  Positions
are available for both device driver writers and low level kernel
work (In the VM, file system, and machine dependent portions of the kernel).

Harris Corporation is a $3 billion supplier of information,
communications, semiconductor and aerospace technology with
headquarters in Melbourne, Florida.  Harris combines a superior
compensation package with outstanding opportunities for professional
growth and advancement.  For immediate consideration, please forward
your resume and salary history to:

	Harris Computer Systems Division,
	Human Resources, Dept FL/1020,
	2101 W. Cypress Creek Road
	Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309-1892.


Alternatively, you may forward your resume via email (plain text,
troff, TeX, or postscript) to

	resumes@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com


Harris is an equal opportunity employer M/F/H/V.

UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T Bell Laboratories.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:48:34 GMT

	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 
in the US and abroad, members can find contract and permanent software jobs
throughout the world. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us
including your name, address, and evening phone number and we will send you
information on membership with the ICPA.


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
USA

Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net