From: maridai@ecs.comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)
Subject: Re: Homeward Bound
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:48:39 GMT


|Article 5555 (8 more) in soc.culture.filipino:
|From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
|
|Because of the lack of justice, you'll have to play the game the way they do -
|connections, lagay, sip-sip, etc. What about the bright and educated guy with
|a clean conscience who refuses to play these rules because of principle ? No
|doubt they find it unfair. And perhaps that's what attracts them to other
|places of opportunities where they can strike it successfully on the merits of
|their talents alone.
|
||Article 5557 (7 more) in soc.culture.filipino:
||From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
||
||	Pare, it's true maraming kalokohan sa atin, but do not
||	also be blind to the fact that there are also many
||	wrongdoings here. 
||
||	Most of the time when you go against a powerful man or
||	group, you run the risk of being beaten, anywhere in 
||	the world, no matter how correct or right you are.
||
||	Sipsip? At work, tambak sa dami ang sipsipan. All walks
||	of life. The higher the position, the stronger the 
||	sipsip. 
||
||	Lagayan? Well,I have not encountered one here yet. I'm
||	sure this happens. 
||
||	To each his own. Hopefully things will get better, and
||	even if they don't, I still look forward to the day I
||	spend the rest of my life back HOME.
||
||	  
||	/Danny
|||
|||In Article 5564, bernal@spss.com (Raoul Bernal)
|||
|||I'm also surprised at people who express contempt for old-age homes idea.
|||Old-age homes are not new, and they have existed here in the US for a 
|||long time.  For people who don't have relatives, they don't have a choice.  
|||And they'd rather be in the company of people they can commiserate with, 
|||rather than be with relatives who see them as added burden.
|||
|||To be blunt about it, a lot of immigrants here I see have this attitude:
|||"Okay, I go to America because there, I can earn lots of money.  Then, I 
|||retire in the Philippines because a lot of people will take care of me."
|||If we have to be critical about the system here, there's also a lot to
|||criticize first about this attitude.
|||
|||Okay, there goes my $2.00 worth.  Comments, flames welcome.  Replies
|||not guaranteed.
|||
|||-Raoul

1.  Judicial system.
    True, the judicial system here has a say and integrity.  The people 
    can hold on to it to demand for their civil rights and they will be
    granted what's due to them legally.  The Philippines has a common
    ground as the judicial system here as passed by the legislature.
    It is the executive that is at fault because they choose to not play
    by the legislature sometimes.  We are lacking in bureaucracy over
    there since our administration is not too strict in imposing and
    implementing the law.  As somebody mentioned before (whatever happened
    to that thread?), we have 'pakikisama' and 'utang na loob' which are
    noble values too if used in the right way and not abused.  Another 
    thing is the people's lack of access of knowledge of their rights
    which can be easily remedied by educating them.  Another way is
    making them participate in the legislature through perhaps, referenda.
    One of these days, somebody has to really stand their grounds and
    demand for this.  Is it our culture who is to blame for all of these?

2.  Sipsip, lagayan, connections.
    All of these are in a different form here and they do exist here also
    not just in the form of money, etc.  Somebody has to open their eyes...

3.  Homes for retirement.
    We have 'Golden Acres' there too but it does not serve the same 
    utilization as they have it here.  'Golden' gives services for the poor
    and elderly and alone.  Here, they are for the rich(somebody has to pay
    otherwise, treatment is not so good), elderly and alone (most of the
    time NOT alone) - mostly for convinience to the *other* party.

4.  Open House - America "Eat and run"
    Nobody can blame anybody for these.  Even if I am earning money from
    America, they are using me and my services too.  Even if I go home
    anytime, I've served America too and not the Philippines.  I have
    the right to go back where I want to when the time comes and nobody
    can say I am the only one who took something from somebody.  America
    has taken a lot from me too.  Their's is just the money.  Somebody
    is using me right now.

-Marida