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From: jaguar@netcom.com (JW)
Subject: Re: Coffee Shops
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Distribution: los angeles
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:27:40 GMT

well, I'm not sure what the exact definition of a coffee shop is,
but i love the cafe on my corner -- Rita Flora Kitchen (a flower
shop on one side, a restaurant/cafe on the other side, and soon
expanding to include an ice cream counter, i think.)  they have
a great cafe mocha.  i'm used to larger servings of cappuccino,
but that's my only complaint.  they also have a great selection of
cakes, pies, brownies, and muffins (a good number of them fat-free
and sugar-free, but all tasty) and even have a pretty good menu
for a real meal (salads, roast chicken, pasta...) i know i'm making
it sound like a huge enterprise, but it's really a nice small-medium
size space with a pleasant atmosphere.  they also sell teas and 
coffees and associated products off the shelf.

Rita Flora is on the northeast corner of LaBrea and 6th (one block
north of Wilshire.)  oh, they also do breakfast!

-- 

*jaguar woman*				give me back my innocence,
[jaguar@netcom.com]			give me a brand new suit
Newsgroups: la.general
From: tim@leo.irv.icl.com (Tim Holdener)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:15:39 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA
Keywords: Streets for People

In article <1992Dec15.111509.27436@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
> 
> Jim Lester says there isn't another town like South Pasadena in
> California. This is a piece of South Pasadena propaganda designed
> to be yet another attempt to block the freeway--they're trying
> to wrap themselves in historical status.
> 
> The facts are otherwise. I've visited South Pasadena often, and
> shop there. It's nothing special.

We're arguing with a man who judges a city by the quality of its shopping
district...
If you must ask what is special about South Pasadena, you obviously don't
know anyone who lives in a Caltrans house along the Meridian route. (For
those of you who do not know, a Caltrans house is one that was bought by
Caltrans during the past 20 years and then rented out.)

Let us compare the differences between the Caltrans houses and the
proposed freeway.

Caltrans house                   Caltrans freeway
---------------------            --------------------------
100 year old architecture        Modern reinforced concrete abutments
Hardwood floors                  Large slabs of grooved pavement
Formal dining rooms              Road kills
Exposed beam ceilings            I-beams on bridges
Stained glass windows            Broken glass on median strip
Fireplace nooks                  Freeway Call Boxes
Ceramic tile counters            Brick sound walls
Mockingbirds in the springtime   80dB ambient noise
Well-established landscaping     Iceplant
Slower-paced lifestyle           David, et al aren't delayed 10 minutes

Which would you prefer? 

Meridian Avenue is the central historic street in the city,
and represents the only surviving intact 100-year-old neighborhood
in Los Angeles County.  Many of the houses along the proposed route are
completely irreplaceable since the building materials used 100 years ago
are no longer available.  Why do people keep insisting that "historical"
is a lame excuse?  Is progress so important that history must be sacrificed?

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From: hmann@bellatrix.usc.edu (Harpal Mann)
Newsgroups: usc.general,la.general,ca.wanted
Subject: Modem for sale
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:12:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
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$200.00. 
The actual price of the modem is $400.00, he got it for a discount when 
he bought his PC.

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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Keywords: Streets for People
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:15:33 GMT


Tim Holdener presents a defense of stopping the freeway because of
"unique" Caltrans Meridian houses.

Two comments;
1. There are plenty of old houses around Los Angeles, including those
by Frank Lloyd Wright, Greene and Greene, etc. The Meridian houses
do not have the architectural significance of those--they are generic.
Further, there is a house museum in Los Angeles now for preserving
houses of historical significance for posterity. That  a house is
old and nice does not make it worth preserving in the face of
major community needs.

2. The old houses benefit mainly a few well-to-do property owners.
The freeway link will benefit hundreds of thousands, save a lot
of gasolene which might even drop the price fractionally, thus
benefiting millions.

And by the way, it's not 10 minutes that's lost, as anyone who
has taken the long way round from northern end of the 710 to the
place where it starts again entering the 210. It's a half-hour
or more, especially during rush hour on those crowded surface
streets, with a huge cost in emissions, gasolene, congestion,
and damaged emotions.

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From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Keywords: Streets for People
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:58:18 GMT

strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

>I fear Barrie has elided what I said into how she'd react. I never
>used the word obnoxious with respect to South Pasadena, and
>my negative comments were focussed entirely on their behavior
>with respect to the 710 freeway, nothing else.

I did not say nor imply that David used the word "obnoxious".  There
were no quotes around the word "obnoxious" in my post, which would have
been the only way to imply that he said it.  However, he has complained
in several posts about the attitudes as well as the behavior of South 
Pasadenans with regard to the freeway, so I don't feel that the word I 
used to summarize his posted perceptions of them was all that far out
in left field.  If it was not correct, as he says, then so be it.

For the record, David doesn't know me, nor "how [I'd] react".  I asked
a simple question; I got the answer.  That's all.

Barrie (not from South Pasadena; not inconvenienced by lack of freeway
        completion; shops occasionally at Bristol Farms; thinks people
        in South Pasadena probably have the full range of opinions/
        attitudes about the 710)
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: 710 freeway (was Re: Century Freeway completion)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:13:05 GMT


Brian Casey defends South Pasadena by arguing that they're not opposed
to the freeway, just proposing a different (El Sereno) route. This
argument won't stand scrutiny since they've done everything they
can to stop the freeway for 20 or more years, and this El Sereno
business is just their latest (relatively recent) tactic.

Moreover, the proposal has been given due process by both the State
and Feds, and rejected. Thus they need to abide by that if they are
to live in an interdependent society with clean hands.

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From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:43:19 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Dec16093432@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:43:13 GMT, bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey) said:
>
>> My memory may be a little hazy, but didn't South Pasadena's efforts to
>> change/kill the 710 extension start getting serious about the time that
>> Beverly Hills killed the extension of the Glendale Fwy (S.R. 2) that was
>> going to parallel Santa Monica Blvd.?
>
>Well, if we're going to bring history into this thing, then there are a lot
>more routes that got killed. The discussion of the extension of the Rte 7
>(remember, that was the number before it became Rte 710) has been going on for
>a long time -- the route's been on the map books since 1956. Other routes that
>were proposed, and successfully killed include the following (this is from
>memory):
>
>Rte 238 (this may still be built someday): Running from Rte 5 near Grapevine
>across the high desert to Rte 15.
>
It's state route 138, and it technically exists. It starts in the west
2 miles south of Gorman on I-5 becoming Avenue I through Lancaster
and then becoming Palmdale Blvd, finally assuming its own identity
as the Pearblossom Highway all the way to the junction with state
route 18 in San Bernardino County. The state planned on changing the
location of the route (to be called 'the Metropolitan Bypass') in
the early 70's and the roadside merchants in Littlerock and Pearblossom
and Llano are worried about the effects of a superhighway on business.




-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"But Marielle liked the _baba_. It was, she said, 'comme il faut'."
From: fishkin@usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Good Dance Clubs?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:28:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

So finals are OVER, and to celebrate I'd like to find some good places to
go dancing.  I am pretty flexible with music styles, as long as they have
a fast beat (e.g., no punk or grunge please; funk, disco, retro, new-wave, etc.
all OK).  Anywhere betwen San Gabriel and Santa Monica.  The cheaper and the
friendlier the people the better (I'm not going to be "seen", I just want to
have a fun time).

Thanks!
Stephanie

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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Keywords: Streets for People
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:15:09 GMT


Jim Lester says there isn't another town like South Pasadena in
California. This is a piece of South Pasadena propaganda designed
to be yet another attempt to block the freeway--they're trying
to wrap themselves in historical status.

The facts are otherwise. I've visited South Pasadena often, and
shop there. It's nothing special.
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
From: tim@leo.irv.icl.com (Tim Holdener)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:25:01 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA
Keywords: Streets for People

In article <1992Dec17.101533.21304@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
> And by the way, it's not 10 minutes that's lost, as anyone who
> has taken the long way round from northern end of the 710 to the

I do this quite frequently - my 10 minute assessment stands.
It just depends on which route you choose to take.  There are many.

> place where it starts again entering the 210. It's a half-hour
> or more, especially during rush hour on those crowded surface
> streets, with a huge cost in emissions, gasolene, congestion,
> and damaged emotions.
>
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:42:45
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: tim@leo.irv.icl.com's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:15:39 GMT

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:15:39 GMT, tim@leo.irv.icl.com (Tim Holdener) said:

> Let us compare the differences between the Caltrans houses and the
> proposed freeway.

I'm not going to argue the merits of one over the other, being both a strong
supporter of transit, and a strong supporter of preserving history. A couple
of things, however:

1. There is a difference between preserving a building and preserving a
location. Even if the Meridian alignment is chosen, the buildings, being built
on foundation not slab, can be moved. This has been done before; the Plummer
house was moved from West Hollywood to Agoura, and a number of the Victorian
residences in Pasadena were moved there. 

2. Many of our transit problems today result from the fact that the original
engineered system was never completed. If you design something, and then
implement only half of its throughput, naturally it is slow. We should
probably complete the 710, preserving whatever buildings we can through
movement and judicious routing.

Daniel
--
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[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
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From: bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey)
Subject: Re: 710 freeway (was Re: Century Freeway completion)
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Distribution: la
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:36:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.211305.13802@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Brian Casey defends South Pasadena by arguing that they're not opposed
>to the freeway, just proposing a different (El Sereno) route. This
>argument won't stand scrutiny since they've done everything they
>can to stop the freeway for 20 or more years, and this El Sereno
>business is just their latest (relatively recent) tactic.
>
>Moreover, the proposal has been given due process by both the State
>and Feds, and rejected. Thus they need to abide by that if they are
>to live in an interdependent society with clean hands.
>

I specifically didn't defend South Pasadena, just reported what the
leaders in South Pasadena feel.  The Westerly Route through
El Sereno was proposed over twenty years ago, when the initial push
to complete the 710 was being made.

Brian Casey
bnc@macsch.com
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From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Keywords: Streets for People
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.111509.27436@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Jim Lester says there isn't another town like South Pasadena in
>shop there. It's nothing special.
>

Longtime residents of communities and others with substantial investments
in them *do* view their commmunities as special. I bet homeowners in
prosaic communities like Downey or El Segundo might hold their neighborhoods
in special esteem if a freeway were planned for them.

Besides this unncessary deflation of South Pasadena's value as a community
(and I don't see how a town that has the Rialto theater and Bristol Farms
is "nothing special"), the whole notion of building a freeway-- even if
it means completing an unfinished one-- in a time when resources should
clearly be redirected towards better public transportation is more
troubling than deciding which communities are ordinary enough to be
subject to demolition.



-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"But Marielle liked the _baba_. It was, she said, 'comme il faut'."

Newsgroups: la.general
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:17:11 GMT


Judging from Daniel Faigin's recitation of history, there may
be something to the notion that today one cannot build a freeway
through middle-class and upper-class neighborhoods, but only through
poor neighborhoods when the middle class and rich want the freeway.

In particular, the Beverly Hills Freeway would have made my life
much more convenient.

Let's see...how can we turn Beverly Hills into a poor neighborhood?

David
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Century Freeway completion
Keywords: Streets for People
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:41:18 GMT


Barrie Trinkle asks why I shop in South Pasadena, and why I don't
boycott them "since they're so obnoxious'.

Bristol Farms happens to have their nearest branch there. That
doesn't make S.P. "special" since they have other branches--
just not as close to where I happen to live.

I fear Barrie has elided what I said into how she'd react. I never
used the word obnoxious with respect to South Pasadena, and
my negative comments were focussed entirely on their behavior
with respect to the 710 freeway, nothing else.

Dunno where Barrie is coming from, but it's certainly not from where
I'm coming from.

David
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From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: testing
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Distribution: la
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:26:03 GMT

testament
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Why Rusty Pelican?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:20:54 GMT

My fiancee and I had an interesting experience which perhaps someone could
shed some light on.

Just for the heck of it, we went to a Rusty Pelican.  Never been there
before.  Had a long wait, on a Sunday night.  The restaurant was packed to
the gills.  But the service was slow and just poor.  They took forever with
everything, ignoring empty water glasses and waiting 10-15 minutes to fill
them once we asked for more.  The calamari appetizer was battered to the
point that you couldn't taste much.  Champagne (it was a special occasion,
her birthday) was okay, but overpriced.  Clam chowder (a favorite of mine)
had very little flavor or clams.  Steak was tough and without flavor.  (I
should have been clued in by the fact that they brought me A1 sauce.)  Did we
just hit this place on a bad night or is it always like this, and if the
latter, why is there such a wait for a table?  For the money ($50?) there are
other places we could have gone for a much better dinner.

On the positive side, we also just went to Dodsworth in Pasadena.  Food was
good and the service wonderful.  Hadn't been there in several years.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: la.eats
Subject: Pasadena Restaurants with good meeting room needed
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:28:38
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org

My wife is looking for a place for the May Soc. of Women Engineers meeting.
The speaker will be Dr. Lucy Jones of USGS, so she's expecting a goodly-sized
crowd.  The problem is... she don't know Pasadena. She thought about asking
Bo :-), but figured the net was better....

Requirements are:
 1. Separate enclosed meeting room.
 2. Capable of seating from 25 to ?? (no more than 75)
 3. Price of meals in the $15-$17 range, including tax and tip
 4. Capable of serving three types of entrees: chicken, fish, and veggie
 5. Flexible enought to deal with crazy women engineers -- they often have a
    lot of last minute extras.
 6. Wine and beer license (they like wine during their networking hour).

If you have any ideas, drop me a note and I'll pass it on to her.

Daniel
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[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
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From: nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans)
Subject: Re: Why Rusty Pelican?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.182054.16156@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>My fiancee and I had an interesting experience which perhaps someone could
>shed some light on.
>
>Just for the heck of it, we went to a Rusty Pelican.  Never been there
>before.  Had a long wait, on a Sunday night.  The restaurant was packed to
>the gills.  But the service was slow and just poor.  They took forever with
>everything, ignoring empty water glasses and waiting 10-15 minutes to fill
>them once we asked for more.  The calamari appetizer was battered to the
>point that you couldn't taste much.  Champagne (it was a special occasion,
>her birthday) was okay, but overpriced.  Clam chowder (a favorite of mine)
>had very little flavor or clams.  Steak was tough and without flavor.  (I
>should have been clued in by the fact that they brought me A1 sauce.)  Did we
>just hit this place on a bad night or is it always like this, and if the
>latter, why is there such a wait for a table?  For the money ($50?) there are
>other places we could have gone for a much better dinner.
>
>On the positive side, we also just went to Dodsworth in Pasadena.  Food was
>good and the service wonderful.  Hadn't been there in several years.
-- 

Alan:  Was this the RP off the 2 fwy near the 134?  If so, I had a bad
dining experience there also.  I had a *very*marginal Ahi - I think
it was called "Ruby Red" or some such.  It seemed ok, but before we
left the place I had some pretty severe gastro-intestinal distress.
The other members of the party (6 of us) said their food was just ok;
no one became ill as far as I know.  Our service was good, but the
waiter was really hustling.  Like you, it is a pet peeve of mine
when I spend big bucks for a dinner and it takes an act of God to
get a refill. I wish I'd brought a canteen :-)
 
I'd eaten at that particular RP only one other time, and the food
seemed better. Maybe it's this particular one of the chain that's
bad?

-- 

Nancy J. Feagans     (818) 306-6423
Jet Propulsion Lab   nancy@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
"Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious."
From: sdg@wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
Newsgroups: la.eats
Subject: Re: Why Rusty Pelican?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:39:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: la
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I once had a group dinner at a Rusty Pelican in San Diego (or so
I think - my memory might be a bit Rusty here ;-)). The food was
just so so - something a large group of people with not so 
adventurous tastes might find acceptable, like Red Onion or
Olive Garden or Sizzler, nothing more.
Specially in Pasadena where there are so many good restaurants,
why did the OP chose RP for a birthday treat? Try the Raymond
Restaurant if you need a great romantic place in town to 
restore your confidence in restaurant food.

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