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From: jkogan@eff.org (Julia Kogan)
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Originator: jkogan@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 07:07:32 GMT

In <1992Apr2.222347.16034@gtephx.UUCP>, forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Pheonix, Arizona) writes:

>On the other hand, copyright laws protect the photo, not the 1's and 0's 
>placed in a file.  Strictly speaking scanning is not a duplication of the
>orginal. 
>
>Copyright laws were written long before digitizing came into effect.
>Does anybody know if there have been any modifications made for
>computers AND/OR files containing ditized information?

And in <1992Apr3.90855.7774@ms.uky.edu>, morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:

>If you argue these points, you're entering the world of "derivative works",
>which is explicitly covered by the copyright law.

Two points:  first, section 117 of the 1976 Copyright Act now allows authors
to copyright computer programs (1980 amendment).  17 U.S.C.A. @ 117.
In addition, source and object code are frequently given Cop. protection.
See Apple Computer, Inc. v. Franklin Comp. Corp., 714 F.2d 1240 (3d Cir.1983).

Secondly, the copying need not be an exact duplication of the 1's and 0's.
It is a violation if it simulates the "look and feel" of the program.  The
common example seems to be rip-off video games like fake Pac-Mans, with
characters that gobble up bits just like the original Pac-Man.  But courts
won't always protect programs that mainly contain graphs, columns, etc.
The more creative the user interface is (art-filled, etc.), the more likely
it is that a court will find for the injured plaintiff.

Finally, I suppose you may be interested in these code sections:

The Copyright Act grants the author the exclusive right to prepare
derivate works in 17 U.S.C.A. @ 106(2).      
A "derivative work" is a recording, translation, arrangement, etc., "or any
other form in which a work may be recast, transformed or adapted."
17 U.S.C.A. @ 101.
-- 
Julia Kogan                     |  These opinions are not my employer's,
jkogan@eff.org                  |  nor are they legal advice.
B.U. Law                        |
From: bi241@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Fetherston)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: PCBoard database door needed
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:21:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.222143.20742
Reply-To: bi241@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Fetherston)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I'm looking for a good database door for PCBoard.  If you know of any
please let me know.

Thanks.

-- 

yt,
Tom
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
From: tk0jut1@mp.cs.niu.edu (jim thomas)
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:49:59 GMT


An addendum to the original post that began this thread (the Fresno
police press release dramatizing the link between BBSs and pedophilia,
satanism and other extreme crimes):
 
Detective Frank Clark, who held the news conference advertised by the
release, intended only to present a summary of the possible forms of
computer abuse to which children are vulnerable. These ranged across
the gamut of activities, from the most benign to the most extreme.
Detective Clark indicated that the extreme sex offenses to which the
release referred constituted about 3 minutes of a 45 minute presentation.
The PIO office, as well as the media covering the news conference,
focused on the extreme sex-related incidents and ignored the rest.
Detective Clark indicated that his purpose was to remind parents of
the importance of familiarizing themselves with their children's computer
activity. He also used the conference to raise the issue of computer
courtesy and ethics, and to identify local resources (schools, classes,
and other forums) available for obtaining further information about
computer use. The release and subsequent coverage downplayed this.
 
He did not write the release and was unable to review the final text.
He was quite unhappy with it, and recognizes (and apologized for) the
offense it caused some people. He was quite explicit that, while opposing
the use of computers to prey on others, he nonetheless shares many of the
concerns about protection of civil and Constitutional rights.
 
The problem with the Fresno PIO press release, as with similar media
coverage, is the tendancy of writers to find the dramatic angle and ignore
the real issues. Perhaps we should all begin to more aggressively contact
publisers and journalists in our own local papers to educate them on the
issues. Rather than "our police at work..." the header probably should
have been "journalists are at it again..."
 
Jim Thomas

Xref: sparky alt.bbs:3353 alt.bbs.internet:2224 alt.bbs.waffle:4165
From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re:  Pordigy stealing your personal information while you play
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:57:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <yury.08o0@bknight.jpr.com> yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
>
>----
>BAT FILE!!!
>Everything regular
>RAM: PRODIGY!!!! STOP LOOKING IN MY BAT FILES. THIS IS A WARNING OF AN
>IMPENDING LAW SUIT IF YOU DO NOT STOP DOING THIS.


	What exactly do you hope to prove ?



-- 

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|  Please send email for detailed product or catalogue information!  |ature
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From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:54:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Help 'door` progs, please
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.bbs

|In alt.bbs, bi241@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Fetherston) writes:

|I only have a vague idea as to what a 'door program' is.  Could
|someone expound please what it is, and how to use it? 

|I need something for a BBS so callers can cross-reference info a la
|database.  It's not complex or relational.  Is a door in order here?  If
|so please direct me to one that will suit my needs.  The info is labor
|arbitration type stuff, so something like LEXUS is what I'm looking for.

I hope I'm not wasting bandwidth on what is effectively 'one-man's-best-guess', 
but I haven't seen a FAQ List for this group in a while and no one else 
answered your first post...so here goes.  I hope the following information 
is fundamentally correct...er, not TOO misleading.  FYI - I'm running an
Amiga board. Mileage may vary.

Door (def) - a program that is not part of the BBS'ware, yet works on the
input and output from the user for a particular function (like a game).
(I'll bet you already knew that much...)

A door's interface to the BBS'ware depends entirely on how the BBS 
expects to see the handshaking and 'environment'. In short, that means 
that door'ware for one BBS system will NOT work on a different one unless 
special efforts have been taken by the authors to mantain a standard. 
Paragon doors (originally for the Amiga Paragon BBS's) are an example of 
a standard that has been followed by several different folks. To my 
(uncertain) knowledge most Paragon door GAMES can be run on Paragon, 
Starnet, Xenolink, 4D, and (using a paradoor intfc?) DLG. (flames and 
corrections invited - re: amiga boards)

Please note:  not all doors are games!  There are also: off-line msg readers,
CLI msg generators, auto-mailers, NETWORK packers, user-list editors, file
handlers...(sheesh!)  These 'doors' are VERY system dependant and SELDOM
will work on different BBS'ware. 

From a non-programmer's perspective, it might seem that the 'c' code source 
for a given door should be easily ported between different platforms and 
bbs'ware, but the interface and environment...ah, there's the rub.

Generic question - will a Remote Access 'Yankee Trader' door (IBM) work
without modification on Wild-cat or OPUS bbs? (also IBM BBS formats)

"best guess?" - No...but hey, I'm guessing.

Jim 8')s
aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com

ps...currently using UNIX workstation, Vectra (IBM), and Amiga machines.

Xref: sparky alt.bbs:3427 alt.bbs.internet:2282
From: chris@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Chris Arps)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: Illegal photographs and Prodigy
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:35:31 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.


Compuserve dropped ALL of its R rated library a while back
due to copyright infringements.  They started another library
called Dontelli online that is filled with files from a 
modelling angency (full releases, copyright dealt with, etc.)

Any other photos that go to Compuserve MUST be the property of the
poster or public domain.  

Needless to say, this has diminished the amount of posting to
the picture groups and is an indicator of things to come for 
the rest of the BBS community.

Another news note: Penthouse has started their own BBS/chat system
that is available thru minitel.  So all this hoopla about
electronic images/paper images is irrelavant.  Penthouse has
jumped on the wagon and is SELLING electronic images to its
users.  




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Newsgroups: alt.allsysop,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
Subject: Re:  Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:46:35 GMT
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:

> In article <bobl.2xpt@bobsbox.rent.com> bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury,
> >
> >Any images I have in my library that seem to be copyrighted will be
> >deleted.  All X and R rated GIFs have already been removed from my
> >system.  How is that for you?  Satisfied?
> 
> 	Just so all of you know and stop getting paranoid. Scanning and
> using pictures is allowed as long as the picture is not duplicated
> exactly. If the pictures is altered to certain degree then it becomes your
> work. I do that all the time when I have to rotoscope something .
> (Rotoscoping) is where you digitize a picture and draw over it to make it
> look like painting. You comonly see this on TV as the comercials for
> Basketball and footballs games. As well as some of the sports shows. This
> is LEAGAL. 


This is not true, at least not for US law.  (I've no idea about 
overseas.)  Your suggestion would, at best, make your creation a 
derivative work, covered under law as an exclusive right of the author or 
copyright holder (if, for some reason, author does not have copyright, 
such as work made for hire etc.)  Only the copyright holder has the right 
to make a derivative work.


"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy
Xref: sparky alt.bbs.ads:753 rec.scouting:777
From: ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,rec.scouting
Subject: Stone Mountain BBS: Dedicated to Scouting
Keywords: scout bbs
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:56:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

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              /  \/\
             /       \ountain

Yours in Scouting,

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Howard Beach, NY
Tomahawk District, Queens Council
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
From: Gerard Van der Leun <van@eff.org>
Subject: Re: For *REAL* Freedom of Speech, call Banished CPU!!!
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 16:40:35 GMT



People in the know, and who want to be in the know,
are wise to listen to Barry.
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: The Cutting Edge
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

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- Dave
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Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Needed: maintainer for Adult GIF BBS list
Followup-To: alt.bbs.lists
Originator: rthomson@mesa
Reply-To: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:01:51 GMT


[Followups directed to alt.bbs.lists]

As you may have noticed, the adult GIF BBS list has gotten severely
out of date with respect to new additions.  With graduate school and
work pressing for my time, I no longer have the time to maintain the
list.

I'm looking for a new maintainer who will take the current list and all
the changes I've received but not yet incorporated.  I've been told by
many that the list is a great service to the BBS community and I've
enjoyed providing that service.  I think the service should continue,
but I just don't have the time anymore.  The only "requirements" I can
see for a maintainer is that you have a reliable e-mail connection for
people to send updates/additions.

Send me mail if you're interested in becoming the maintainer.

						-- Rich
-- 
	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
From: matthew@graphics.rent.com (Matthew McGehrin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Digitbits 2
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:26:04 GMT
Organization: The Graphics BBS (2D,3D,GIF,Animation) +1 908/469-0049


 
 
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Xref: sparky alt.bbs.ads:766 alt.dcom.telecom:244 comp.dcom.modems:6504
From: klg@njsmu.UUCP (Kenneth Goodwin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: FOR SALE
Keywords: FINAL OFFER, DEAL of a LIFETIME
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:20:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NJ State Medical Underwriters, Lawrenceville



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Wolves Den BBS
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 23:51:16 PDT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

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Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads
From: freedman@bellman.lanl.gov (Keith S. Freedman)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of
Reply-To: freedman@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:59:09 GMT

In article 18074@techbook.com, burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:
>I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
>don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
>mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
>but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
>rabies.  8-(.
>
I have not had the opportunity to prance around B-cpu as yet, but hearing
the discussion, we must remember that the First ammendment does not
allow us to yell "fire" in a crowded room.  It sounds as though that is what
is being done on this "Free Speech" bandwaggon board.
Lately, it seems, that "Freedom of Speech" argument and open display of
hatred and prejudice are one in the same??

---
Keith Freedman
United Coalition Against Prejudice
freedman@ilmen.lanl.gov