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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Re: SASSY rave article
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:39:45 GMT

I've never entirely understood why Sassy was considered such a hip
reference point among certain cool people.  I've never seen a magazine
that more blatantly celebrated essentially middle-of-the-road
aesthetics and values with such a glossy veneer of hip.  They may have
championed bands like Sonic Youth (post-Goo), but they also give a lot
of ink to Wilson Phillips, and even on a "camp" level, I've always
found their "Cute Band Alert" vaguely offensive.  Indeed, Sassy seems
to place the importance of "cuteness" above all else.  The comments in
the rave article about how thin and pasty-faced everyone was really
annoyed me.  One of the appeals of the rave culture is that gentle
nerds are welcomed and made to feel that they aren't out of place;
indeed, to my mind, this is the *central* appeal of rave.  It's like
being at Pee Wee's Playhouse instead of the usual ghastly drunken,
posing of a traditional dance club.  Sassy pretends to be a radical
alternative to the usual teen magazines and perhaps it is, but it's
also so hopelessly muddled by trying to appeal to that "demographic
group", that it never really goes beyond those aesthetics.  It's as if
Teen Beat suddenly decided to start covering bands like Sonic Youth,
Sugar and the Lemonheads, but wrote about them *exactly* as they would
write about Marky Mark or the New Kids and added a *very* safe PC
veneer as well (occasional lefty articles, about as radical as Bill
Clinton) while maintaining standard boring attitudes about issues like
drugs.  

I recommend that all Sassy subcriptions be immediately replaced by a
subcriptions to Forced Exposure and The Outer Limits.

- Dan
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From: tannenba@fnalf.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: O Fortuna are there words ?
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:57:14 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <C06u9F.9A5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064qpfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher S. D'Arrigo) writes:
> 
>     Hello everyone, 
> 
>        I have been listening to O Fortuna (Apocalypse Chorus Mix) by 
>      APOTHEOSIS and was wondering if anyone out there knew if first of 
>      all the words being chanted were in English and second of all if 
>      anyone could post the words or direct me to a source who could get
>      me the words to this song. Any help would be greatly appreciated ! 
> 
>                                          Thanks in advance, 
> 
>                                               Chris
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 04:34:18 GMT
Organization: The Other Side of the CPU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

: I think the only thing I'd rather avoid more than a rave would be a
: Grateful Dead concert, so I'll pass on the parenthetical part....

There is no flame intended in my following question, whatsoever.  Your
comment leaves me wondering why, if you don't like raves and, seemingly you
have never attended one, do you read this newsgroup?


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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hawkeye)
Subject: Magazines (was Re: SASSY rave article)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:41:57 GMT

Speaking of magazines, I was in my local Newslland today, that carries
mags, zines, and papers from all over the world, and I couldn't help
but notice that the Shamen are all over the place...I remember seeing
them in:  Select, Q, NME, MM, (no surprises there), B-Side, The Wire,
Puncture, and a few other domestic pubs that really cover the musical
spectrum - they're geting coverage for just being techno, for being
psychedelic and drug-influenced/reflected, for being "new agey", for
being alternative, for being the new-pop-dance...They're all over the
place... It was kinda neat....

PS:  This doesn't really belong here, but, I was just listening to the
Pet Shop Boys, as I always seem to be, and I was just wondering if
someone could confirm if "How can you expect to be taken seriously?"
is about Paul McCartney, like I've always thought it was, or is it
about someone else?

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From: jbiafra@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ding a Ding Dang My Ding a Long Ling Long)
Subject: Rave-oriented Bbs
Summary: Cheap, tawdy advertisement
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:03:33 GMT

Hotel Chelsea Bbs
(206)432.6904
Running GremCit as the main bulletin board.

Tends to focus on the entire spectrum of cyber culture:
techno, industrial, music in general
various concerts and cultural bulletins
rave info, stories, horrors, jollies
hacking and all the naughty things they do
different famous people enjoying anonymity (no I won't tell you who they are)
etc, etc.  Including, soon to have, the Northwest Musician's Directory.

Much, much more.  Give it a call.  The sysop doesn't care who you are.

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: New Years on Codeine
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:09:17 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-31-92 22:03
  Looks like the only drugs I'll be ingesting tonight are pain 
killers.  After promises of "you should be OK by Thursday" from my 
dental surgeon, I still find myself in a good deal of pain (this is 
after having my wisdom teeth removed on Monday) ... so I am stuck at 
home on a mostly-liquid diet, codeine, and pennecilin.  I have had 
three weeks of build-up for tonight -- the Chemistry/Raindance 
collaboration is just getting underway at this very moment.  And now 
all I can do is listen to pre-recorded rave and wait for my 
prescription drugs to send me off to sleep (I wonder how many T3s I 
have to take to have hallucinations .... :).  This isn't fair.  I'm 
spending New Years with a copy of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 
Technotrip 3. 
  So if anybody goes to the Toronto rave, I want to hear what you have 
to say, and if you get any good flyers, please post the information 
they contain (I want some opinions on this one from those outside of 
the people I know who are going).

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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Rave fashion
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:22:43 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-21-92 17:20
Quoted from: tannenba@fnala.fnal.gov
> 
> This may be the silliest question y'all have ever seen on this newsgroup, but
> since I'm new to this rave thing I gotta ask..... What kind of clothing does
> one usually wear to a rave? So many music genres have their own "uniform", I'm
> wondering what it is for this one. I may be going to one soon and don't want to
> stick out _really_ bad. A little, sure. But not really bad.
> 
> Respond by Email or post.....
> 
>                                                 marble

Well... I don't think theres any right or wrong fashion for raves. 
But there are some things you should try for: clothes that will look 
good in stobes and black lighting.  (ie. bright stuff with some darks 
in it for effect).  Funky head-gear is also recommended.  One of the 
organizers at the Chem. rave I was at had on a 3-foot tall 
wizard-type cap (he had to duck under doors and stuff).  Rave whistles 
are popular here (Toronto), and so are various forms of face masks (to 
smear your Vicks vapo-rub in).  Some people enjoy painting bodies and 
clothes with flourescent paint... all depends on what you like.

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From: perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: tribal roots
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:11:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


>	Keep your "those thick brits" comments to yourself shithead , as :
>		a) It will start more UK vs US crap

This I must agree with.  

>		b) I'm SCOTTISH and take no pleasure from being called British ,
>		   whatever that means nowadays

At least he didn't call you English.  You live on an island called Britain
and are therefore considered British are you not?

>as frankly I don't give a shit .... I listen to the music and love it , I don't
>care about what started it .

You're quite proud of your heritage yet not of the music you claim to love!

>I'm from , we don't go to clubs and try and impress everyone else by spouting
>musical knowledge , that is if most dance music can be pidgeon holed anyway ...

Really?  I'm sorry sir but I've just spent the past 7 months in various parts
of England and went to more clubs than I would have done normally....
especially considering I'm from New York!  And I had just as many people 
trying to impress me with musical knowledge as I do here... if not more.
"House", "Acid", and "Techno" might have largely been founded in Northeastern
USA but the Brits and other Euro influences turned it around, improved and
perfected a lot of it, or in other words made it what it is today.  Both
sides deserve much due respect + credit.  Now, let's have a good time shall
we?

>like "the prodigy" and "the Smart-E" shit ... we've lost our E-Generation , and
>I bloody well hope we lose techno as well .. 'cos there's not a lot going down

This is the commercial side of techno which is VERY mainstream in Britain
(charts, radio, everyone knows about it).  There is a very underground scene
which is rather progressed and absolutely brilliant!  The upfront side of
techno is detering those who simply want to make money off a 'fad' or those
who aren't serious enough about it by letting them think that it's dying or
that the quality is crap now... when it's at its best - in my opinion.  It
wouldn't survive around people who work for British Telecom.... no wonder!
     
Final words and a warning:  the "E-generation" as you call it is not lost but
on the contrary, found!  just hidden from people like you!

>Merry bloody Christmas :| (blank expression)

Happi holidays...   :)   (smil-E phace)

>Stephen Quigg
>squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
>British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development
>(Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... )

wil-E

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 09:14:29 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:

> the whole idea of a rave (and the basis of the subculture it is
> spawning) is to get together with people you don't know, and meet them. 

And that, by itself, isn't attractive to me.  I'm not a gregarious person
-- crowds of strangers don't make me feel welcome, they make me feel
crowded.  In addition, the peace-love-dope-global-acceptance-and-
understanding subculture that pervades the current rave scene makes me
uncomfortable because it's not something I have much respect for.  (As an
analogy, I think Christ was probably a pretty nice guy, but you wouldn't
find me in a church unless I had a mighty good reason to be there.  I
watch 'Star Trek' but don't go to Star Trek conventions.  And so forth.)

> ...as you stated in your message, you _would_ go to a rave if you knew
> people from the net were going to be there (ie. DJing). 

Yeah, because after several years of facelessly throwing messages back and
forth, it'd be great to finally meet some of those folks in person.

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (tao master of existential angst)
Subject: Top Local Albums of the Year [rave-y ones] 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 01:05:15 GMT

Our recent college-corporate-rock-radio station (93.3 KTCL) just
finished naming the "Top 93 albums of 92", voted on by the public....
Here's some of interest to this group, in case anyone's interested...

17      Charlatans UK	        Between 10th & 11th
56 	Opus III	        Mindfruit
60 	Brian Eno 	        NerveNet
68	Meat Beat Manifesto 	Satyricon
77	Orb 			UFOrb

PS- Last week they played UFOrb in full, no interrupts (err, a couple
- 1 or 2)....DJ Mary Moses could be heard saying "tonight's artist
feature we're playing UFOrb, by Alex Patterson's The Orb, so, take
whatever you need to take before listening to that"....

Not bad for Colorado....

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From: madden@deja-vu.aiss.uiuc.edu (Paul Q Madden)
Subject: Re: Who's Who of the InterNet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:57:58 GMT

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (gogo is insane) writes:

>	V. Important Person		Musician/Author 
>	John Q. NetPublic		Hacker/Writer

>I am looking for on-line people from all walks of life, including:
>hackers (in the underground sense), writers, magazine editors,
>artists, musicians, DJs, NetGurus, authors, or any other
>characteristic that might seperate onesself from the mass.net.public.

You want Kibo, he's your man! 

>	V. Important Person		Musician/Author 
>	John Q. NetPublic		Hacker/Writer

	James "Kibo" Parry 		Cult.Figure/Type.Styler

Lessee if he greps this one...

paul
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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: rave?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:35:31 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-31-92 21:32
Quoted from: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)

> 
> aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.) writes:
> 
> > There is no flame intended in my following question, whatsoever.  Your
> > comment leaves me wondering why, if you don't like raves and, seemingly
> > you have never attended one, do you read this newsgroup? 
> 
> I'm not Eric, but I'm going to butt in anyway.  You'd have a hard time
> getting me into a rave unless I knew the DJ from the net or had some
> similarly compelling reason to go -- I'm a misanthropic bastard, and don't
> see any appeal in being in the company of large numbers of people I don't
> know and have little or nothing in common with.  Nevertheless, I still
> read alt.rave, because it's a good place to find out about music I'm
> interested in from people whose opinions I trust.  
> 
> Is someone going to take away my alt.rave card now?
> 
> --
> Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
>

  This I find puzzling ... the whole idea of a rave (and the basis of 
the subculture it is spawning) is to get together with people you 
don't know, and meet them.  Indeed, if you are going to the rave in 
the first place, you do have one thing in common with those around 
you; appreciation for the music.  Music plays a key role in every 
modern culture (and possibly every culture that has come before us). 
For this reason, having a similar musical taste to someone else can be 
considered very important.
  Also, as I have stated before (once in a direct response to the 
person who wrote the original "rave?" thread), ravers are very 
accepting.  If you want to read this area to get musical ideas, that's 
great.  And even if you want to voice negative thoughts on the whole 
subject, that's fine too -- as long as you can justify what you 
say, and discuss it in a rational, non-condiscending way (which you 
have).  I can't speak for everyone, but that is what I believe... 

  I would like to know, however, if you trust alt.raver's opinions 
and respect their musical tastes, why you think they would be any 
different from someone who you would meet at a rave, but who does not 
use the net? ...as you stated in your message, you _would_ go to a 
rave if you knew people from the net were going to be there (ie. 
DJing).

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From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Only for the Headstrong #2
Date: 28 Dec 1992 03:17:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1hlc4cINNkqc@agate.berkeley.edu> lakata@physics20 (Mark Lakata) writes:
>I just got Only for the Headstrong #2 recently, English import, and also
>picked up the latest issue of Urb magazine.  They review the cd, but the 
>tracks they discuss are not on OFTH2 nor on OFTH1.  These are the tracks
>they talk about (with high marks???)  They say this is a hardcore techno comp..
>Is this the same cd?  What's going on here? Is the first one the domestic
>release?

	You and Pete and I have the import version - I have the vinyl, which
is a PISS-poor-quality recording :(.  Looks like they added a few tracks
which were becoming popular here, and lopped off some of the true stinkers.
I had that very same question today when I saw a 12" single for Electroset's
"How Does It Feel", for $4.99, with the sticker "From OFTH2" and I thought
WHA?  So I guess they have got permission to use the samples now...

	Brian
From: v064qpfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher S. D'Arrigo)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: O Fortuna are there words ?
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: UB


    Hello everyone, 

       I have been listening to O Fortuna (Apocalypse Chorus Mix) by 
     APOTHEOSIS and was wondering if anyone out there knew if first of 
     all the words being chanted were in English and second of all if 
     anyone could post the words or direct me to a source who could get
     me the words to this song. Any help would be greatly appreciated ! 

                                         Thanks in advance, 

                                              Chris
From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Name That Tune & HT Techno?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:03:34 GMT


mike@delta1.UUCP (mike king) writes:
>>I pretty sure you are talking about "Nightmare" by Kid Unknown on Warp Records.
>I think it is "What's the people, this tune?" - just a mixed up phrasing of
>"What's this tune, people?" that sounds a hell of a lot better, that's all.

bzzt.  thanks for playing.  it's "what's the beat for this tune?"

grammatically correct, even!

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From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: sond ID
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:20:37 GMT
Distribution: alt.rave
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

"why waste your time, you know you're gonna be mine"

thanks.
    -camper.


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From: chubbard@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Charles William Hubbard)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Has the RMI cd been shipped!?! (oh boy oh boy)
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:55:34 GMT
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland


writes:
>Just asking.  Wetting myself in antici...

No, the last I heard on RMI was that Ben Cox was expecting to receive the
discs in the next few days and then start mailing them out.  He warns that
since he will be doing all the labeling and stuffing himself that it might
take a while to get them all out.  It should be soon though,

C.

Say, why'd this end up in alt.rave, anyway?
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 08:46:07 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.) writes:

> There is no flame intended in my following question, whatsoever.  Your
> comment leaves me wondering why, if you don't like raves and, seemingly
> you have never attended one, do you read this newsgroup? 

I'm not Eric, but I'm going to butt in anyway.  You'd have a hard time
getting me into a rave unless I knew the DJ from the net or had some
similarly compelling reason to go -- I'm a misanthropic bastard, and don't
see any appeal in being in the company of large numbers of people I don't
know and have little or nothing in common with.  Nevertheless, I still
read alt.rave, because it's a good place to find out about music I'm
interested in from people whose opinions I trust.  

Is someone going to take away my alt.rave card now?

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From: dom@sound.demon.co.uk (The Vex-Master)
Subject: Re: Most Commercial..
Reply-To: dom@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: uk
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: - VexFactor10 Productions - London, U.K.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:14:35 +0000

In article <1992Dec26.013644.3038@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
> 
>   On Thursday December 31st, 1992 AD, Chemistry Productions in 
> association with the U.K's largest and most respected Rave 
> organization - RAINDANCE, will make rave history by pulling off, to 
> put it simply....... THE BIG ONE!  For the first time ever in the 
> world, two likeminded rave organizations on different sides of the 
> globe, will link up, via satellite, in a groundbreaking experiment to 
> unite over twenty thousand of the worlds craziest ravers!!!

Which reminds me... any UK alt.ravers going to Raindance ??  Maybe some form
of alt.rave get-together could be arranged.

Or have you all gone home for the holiday and are reading this after the
event ?

:-Dom
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From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 17:05:07 GMT
Organization: The Other Side of the CPU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
: I'm not Eric, but I'm going to butt in anyway.  You'd have a hard time
: getting me into a rave unless I knew the DJ from the net or had some
: similarly compelling reason to go -- I'm a misanthropic bastard, and don't
: see any appeal in being in the company of large numbers of people I don't
: know and have little or nothing in common with.  Nevertheless, I still
: read alt.rave, because it's a good place to find out about music I'm
: interested in from people whose opinions I trust.  
: 
: Is someone going to take away my alt.rave card now?

Nope, I wouldn't think of it.  I was just curious about why you hung out
here.  Peace in '93 to ya!


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