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From: dank@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Daniel G Knierim)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - YES
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: dank@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Dec19.175312.18764@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Well, I'm not an English teacher, and I don't play one on TV either, but I
>think I'll enter the fray on semantical grounds here.

Ditto for me.

>[discussion of other than the biological meaning of pregnant applying to
>the father, and looking it up in a dictionary]

Actually, I am of the camp that believes a dictionary *does not* define what
a word means; rather a large group of people using and understanding a word
defines what it means.  And based on that critereon, I would say that the
phrase "we are pregnant" is technically correct, simply because large numbers
of people are using the term, and it seems most people are understanding what
is meant (even if they dislike the term).  In fact, I think it is a useful
phrase in that it does carry a connotation different than "my wife is
pregnant" or "we are expecting" in that it implies a tighter or closer to
equal sharing of the joys and trials of pregnancy.  To some, that is a
positive implication, to others, not.  As to which term people should use,
I agree with the philosphy of deferring to the preference of the person or
couple who is pregnant as to which she or they prefer.

>As far as my wife and I go...*we're* pregnant.

Congratulations.  And ditto for Debbie and me!  (Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!)

- Dan Knierim
These opinions aren't worth the standard disclaimer form they're printed on!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (John Morris)
Subject: Re: **> DISCOVERY TOYS <**
Reply-To: johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:15:09 GMT

In article 29906@sparky.imd.sterling.com, marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
> ... my wife asked if we could
>have a catalog. "Sure," the discovery toys hawker said, "that'll be four 
>dollars."  My wife shot a look at the hawker that, if looks could kill, 
>convinced the hawker to give us the catalog for free.

That IS ridiculous!! That's not standard policy, she was just trying to rip you off!
My wife and I are real new in the toy business. If anyone wants a catalog, we'll
mail it to you for FREE! Several of the toys are on sale in Jan/Feb.

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Motorola Semiconductor 			phone:  (512) 891-3400
Austin, Texas				fax:    (512) 891-8315
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Private Time" with the Kids
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:55:11 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Dec19.223538.14230@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <85551@ut-emx.uucp>, wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) writes:
>
>> (BTW:  where are these
>> children who actually sleep 12 hours out of 24, that the baby
>> books talk about???  Mine won't nap at daycare and sleeps about
>> 8-9 hours at home.)
>
>Well, two of them are living at my house...my son will be 4 next month.  He
>doesn't nap any more, goes to bed by 8 pm (latest, sometimes earlier) and wakes
>between 7-7:30 am.  My daughter is 14 months old.  She naps twice daily (1-2
>hours morning and afternoon), but keeps the same approximate nighttime schedule
>as her brother (she gets up a bit earlier, 6:30, with her daddy).
>
>The "secret"?  Probably partly constitutional but both my children are
>*EXTREMELY* active.  I always suspect that if you run a kid enough you will get
>a lot better sleep.  This is my own personal theory, but I know that mine are
>constantly on the move, not very into television, and extremely physical. 
>They're just tuckered out :).  The other thing is we keep a pretty firm
>schedule.  But then again, that just follows from them being tired.  If they
>weren't it wouldn't make much sense to force 'em into bed.
>
>Ann Helmers

  Well, two of them live at my house too, and I have to say that I can't
concur with Ann's conclusion that activity leads to good sleep habits.
My daughter (2 years, 9 months) is a very high energy kid, and sleeps
about 7:30-7, and takes roughly a 2 hour nap in the afternoons.  On the
other hand, my son (5 years, 11 months) is, and has always been, physically
very inactive; all the action is either inside his head, or in fine
motor control type activities.  He enjoys running around and whooping it
up with other kids or adults, but he doesn't *require* it the way she
does, and left on his own, he will always gravitate towards quiet activities.
He sleeps 8-7, and takes a 2 hour nap at home.  He finally gave up 
weekday naps when he went to kindergarten this fall, but he always naps
well and deeply at home.        
  So this shoots a hole in the "activity counts" theory.  Now maybe he is
just an exception, but my observation of other kids has shown that very
often it is the *most* active kids that require the least sleep.  I've
even seen this mentioned in print (I believe it was in "Toddler Taming").
  I'd guess it is more likely to be in-born in some way; I require more
sleep than average to function well, and they seem to as well.   I am
certainly grateful for it, as I'm a better parent on a full night's sleep.

						Susanne Gilliam
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phcalama@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Calamai)
Subject: HELP
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:25:47 GMT

Hi.  I'm about to join the rank of Dads and I need advice
regarding a few purchases.  If this group has a FAQ where
this information can be found please point me to a ftp site
that I can access.

Questions:
(1) I'm looking at strollers.  Perego (and other companies)
offers strollers that become carriages.  Are these hybrid
models practical?  Are the chassis with the larger non-swivel
wheels preferable to those chassis with the smaller double
swivel wheels?  Is a Perego unit worth the extra money?
(2) I'm also looking are car seats.  Are convertible units
(infant + toddler) as good (from the babies perspective) as
having two seperate units?  Are units (either convertible or
infant) with stay-in-car bases preferable?  Are five-point
harnesses better than the Y-shaped one-hand fastening restraint
shield or are the wing-style shields (not the flip-up shields)
best?


thanks
Paul

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Cute things...(7 yrs)
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:59:53 GMT

The other day my son Iain (7 1/2) asked his mother what "allergic"
meant.  She explained, to which he replied "I think I'm allergic
to happiness."  Horrified, she asked him why he would say that.
His quite logical (and reassuring) answer?  "Because whenever
I'm really happy, my eyes get all watery!"

(Whew!)

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Happy Holidays
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:46:37 GMT

Happy Holidays, All you Misc.Kidders out there!  Flame
wars, advice, discussions, CTTD/S stories....you all are
still one of the nicest groups to read, and I'm even a 
non-parent!!!! :-) :-)

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[] Bell Communications Research / Piscataway NJ
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Newly Pregnant (what to do?)
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.kids, hollan@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Rene Hollan) writes:
>for another time. Again,lease send me your views on VDT & Pregnancy. I hope
						     ^^^

VDT ???
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: ajaym@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (alton.jay.mitchell)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:02:27 GMT

> If she did think of it as a negative, it wouldn't be because *you* think so.
> And when applied to circumcision, the same applies.
> 
>>	"REASON" is used by our own experiences.
>>
>>	"HUMAN RIGHTS"? What does that have to do with it?
> 
> What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
> answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
> like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
> decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
> about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
> adult would result in legal action against those involved.

Whoa!  Wait a minute - I don't follow the logic here!  Sticking a
needle and immunizing an unconsenting adult would definitely be
grounds foa suit.  What makes you think that is any different than
circumsizing an unconsenting adult?

I don't see why a parent making a decision to circumsize their child
is any different than a parent making a decision to remove their
child's tonsils (assuming no existing infecction).  The point is,
until a child is old enough (adult?) to make these decisions for
themselves, the parents are responsible for making them AS THEY SEE
FIT as long as the child's life is not endangered.  Neither a
circumcision nor a tonsillectomy is endangering.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: embarrassing things they do
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:12:22 GMT



My daughter (20 mo.) who we really did try to de-emphasize Santa 
around went post Christmas shopping with me Saturday.  We were standing 
in line to check out ande Cameron says "Hi Claus" just as plain as day.
I turned around and there was this large man in line behind us with
white shoulder length hair and a full white beard. He really did look 
like Santa. It wouldn't have been so embarrassing had he at least
acknowledged her saying hi, but he was obviously unamused. He ignored her
as she got louder and louder and more insistant. It was rerally hard
not to laugh.  I drug her out of the store screaming "Claus, Claus Hi Claus"
at the top of her lungs.
r
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:33:20 GMT
Organization: IBM Research
Followup-To: misc.kids,alt.atheism

In article <1h7lh5INNdih@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, potts@oit.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts) writes:

|> 
|> Among my earliest memories are memories of going to a doctor multiple
|> times to be treated for a swollen, purple, infected circumcision scar.
|> My penis is pretty normal now, but the area below and around the glans
|> is largely scar tissue - inflexible, dry, and easily irritated, like
|> a rubber band constricting the glans. When I become sore from sex, the
|> circumcision scar is invariably the only part that becomes sore. I'm
|> pretty well convinced that if I had a foreskin intact, I would be able
|> to engage in sex longer without becoming sore, and not wincing half
|> the time when my partner plays with my penis a little too roughly.
|> Now, I'm not a genital cripple, and enjoy my sex life, but feel that
|> perhaps it could be a little bit better with original factory equipment.
|> 

You remember what happened when you were 8 days old???

|> A lot of men are likely to become flippant and say "oh, you're just
|> whining" or "get over it." Well, I don't spend all my time griping
|> about my circumcision. It's a little thing (was literally at the time...)
|> but a rather personal thing. And so, my point of advocacy: don't
|> perpetuate this rather bizarre practice, founded in a religious tradition
|> and mostly unnecessary in a modern culture of cleanliness and reason.
|> Sure, if there is some problem with the foreskin of your son, get it
|> taken care of. But, as was pointed out, why routinely do something that
|> only enriches the medical establishment? I certainly wish that I had
|> mine to play with; in another 25 years, your son might be thinking the
|> same thing. Will you be able to justfify your decision then?
|>  

Jewish circumcisions (which is where this thread originally started)
are not performed by "the medical establishment".

The mohel who circumcized me did nothing but circumcisions;
the mohel who circumcized my son did nothing but circumcisions.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: What to pay an overnight sitter
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:37:45 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca


Chris Himes asks:
>>
>>Thanks again, we are looking forward to our second night alone since Douglas
>>was born--can we really sleep past 6:30 AM any more???
				     ^^^^^^^

Ha, ha, ha, ha... :-) :-)  Maybe until 7:00 AM when you're lucky!

Donna
mom to Sheila (14 yrs)
and Paul (almost 8 months)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:16:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: what shameful treatment!

In article <1992Dec22.151651.13614@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane) writes:
>[...]
>Claimer: Most of my friends, acquaintances, health care professionals, and
>downright strangers were much more determined to downplay my role in the
>pregnancy than my wife and I were.  I went with my wife to all of here
>pregnancy checkups, and I was always the only man in the office (except
>for one of the obstetricians).  The (female) receptionists, nurses, and
>doctors ignored me or talked around me to my wife.  
[...]

I feel very sorry for anyone who had to put up with such behavior
during what should be a joyous time in one's life.  My husband
accompanied me to all the prenatal visits, and my obstetrician (a
man) included him fully in all discussions.  I even brought my
teenaged nephew in one time with us so he could hear the baby's
heartbeat, and the doctor was very careful to ask Ben if he had any
questions about my pregnancy!  

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:05:20 GMT

In <1992Dec21.040342.7660@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:

>nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>>   So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
>>   circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?

>>I'd say that you hadn't considered that the circumcision could turn into
>>an emasculation.  It happens, it's scary.  Well, it scares *me* anyway.

>>--
>>--russ 

>Right, and let's not forget that when someone goes in to have heart
>surgery they sometimes remove a lung by accident. 
> 
> Give me a break, shit happens. This is such a trivial procedure...
> Though I suppose the Doctor(s) might accidently sneeze and remove
> both testicles and a nurses eye in the process.
>  
   
I used to believe that the two principle reasons Americans circumcise
was conformity and ignorance. Now after reading the above add stupidity,
and the sensitivity of Plymouth rock.

--
                       Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
              Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
              University of Vermont @ Burlington
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: federal record service corp
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:13:12 GMT

In article <1hqleiINNj7j@news.aero.org> hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock) writes:
>I'm posting this to the net in hopes that others aren't
>suckered into this scheme.  Yes, unfortunately, they
>are legit.  However, I didn't get what I thought I'd get.
>Basically, you pay the $15 and they send you the forms from
>the Social Security Administration.  That's all they do.
>You fill out the forms and mail to the appropriate office
>of the Social Security Administration shown on the form.
>It's been a while since I've done this, but I believe you 
>also have to show proof of
>birth (like a birth certificate) which the Social Security
>Office will return to you within 10 days.  The Social Security
>Office will then send you the social security card for your
>child.  In short, you're paying a company $15.00 to provide
>you with forms which are free to the public.  All you have
>to do is call the Social Security office and request the forms!
>Most accountants keep them in stock.  So, if you use an
>accountant, you can get the forms there.  Also, benefit
>offices at large companies also stock the forms.  

It really is a rip off. I also received one the other day offering to
take care of the SS paper work to change my name (I got married 4 months
ago). Half way thru the rather long letter they do mention that it is
easy to do yourself. I suppose they have to put it in to avoid some sort
of legal recourse. 

When I got Jeffreys SS#, I first stopped at city hall to pick up his
birth certificate. Then I went to the SS office, and filled in the forms. 
I think they just looked at the birth certificate. City Hall and SS are
within 3 miles of my house, and the whole process took about 2 hours.
>
Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: bronchiolitis & RSV
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:55:43 GMT

Renee Roberts wrote about treatment for RSV-caused bronchiolitis.  I never
heard of this virus.  How do you know if that's the cause?  Is there a specific
test?  Alex too had bronchiolitis before age 1 (mild, no need for
hospitalization or treatment!), and now has asthma at almost 3.  I didn't even
remember the bronchiolitis, or know the two were related, until we saw the
allergist for asthma management; he noted it in the chart.  The pediatricians
never mentioned it.  BTW, they also were reluctant to call it asthma unless it
happened for more than one season.  Well, since they ignored the bronchiolitis
and another bout of wheezing at age 2...  The allergist was pretty dismissing
of pediatricians - said they don't like to say asthma when in this case it
clearly is.  Inspires such confidence in the treatment one's been getting :-(
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Getting rid of pacifier
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.204040.20210@philabs.philips.com>
jxl@philabs.philips.com (Judith A. Lucian) writes:
>
>Can someone please share with me their experience of breaking your child from
>a pacifer and/or bottle?  Dominique is 26 months old and she uses both a
>bottle and a pacifier still, the only time she gives them up is when she is
>about to enter her nursery school because she knows they don't allow either
>one in her classroom.  I've heard so many different things but I really don't
>know what to do, I've heard everything from just letting her cry it out to
>putting hot pepper on both items.
 
  I have a 25-month-old son who still loves his bottle so I am in a similar
position.  All I can suggest is that you either 1) go 'cold turkey' and
put up with all the crying and fussing for a few days (or weeks!) or 2)
make efforts to cut down on use of the bottle and count your victories until
you can finally eliminate all use of the bottle.
  My son also goes to daycare without a bottle.  So I know he can go without
a bottle for 8 hours at a time - now, to stretch that 8 into 24!
  One suggestion:  substitute water for milk in the bottle, if you haven't
made that switch already.  My son hates drinking a bottle of water and will
give up the bottle rather than drink water that way.  If he wants milk, I can
get it for him in a cup.
  Can't think of any suggestion for the pacifier, except to say that my
daughter gave up the pacifier and went immediately to sucking on her thumb
instead.  At the age of 3.5 yrs, she can talk about how to stop sucking her
thumb, so we discuss it and she has made some progress.
 
                           Good Luck!
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
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From: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare & being sick
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:13:22 GMT
Reply-To: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My son Zachary (19 months) is now attending a Daycare Center.  He loves
it!  Hes learned so much in the 2 months that he has been there.  He
was in an in home daycare before with only one other toddler.

The problem Im having is that Zachary has been sick alot since he has
started at this daycare.  It started with a cold and then a cough and
then just a runny nose, then a cough and a runny nose (you get the picture).
Hes been to the doctor several times in the last month, diagnosis: A
Cold.  Hes been on amoxicilian (sp?) twice in the last 2 months.  It
seems whenever the medicine runs out he gets sick again.

The Daycare wont take him if he has a temp.  Last week they called me
and said he had a temp. of 101.  I picked him up and took him home,
he was fine.  No temp. and running around getting into everything!

Is this going to keep happening until he builds up his emune (sp?) system.
Im a single mom with next to no leave (Im still paying back my maternity
leave).


Angie (Mom to Zack, 19 months old)