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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: German Shepard/Labrador comparison
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:53:01 GMT

In <1993Jan23.072827.6106@gtx.uucp> bryan@gtx.com () writes:

>  My wife and I are considering getting either a German Shepard or a Labrador
>  retriever.  Can anyone offer any helpful hints or comparisons of these two
>  fine breeds of dog?  Things like ease of training, shedding, breed traits,
>  etc.  I'm have been doing some research of these breeds so I am aware of
>  the basics, but would be interested in hearing some first hand experiences.
>  Thanx much!

In my experience:

obviously GSD's shed a lot more than Labs do, although Labs will shed
some.  Training is interesting: there are different things that
they're good at.  GSD's tend to be more dominant and difficult to
train whereas most Labs are anxious to please (on the other hand, my
current Lab is the most dominant Lab I've ever had...).  GSD's are
much more protective and will do more aggressive things in training
(that is, you can train them in bite work; most labs will look at you
like you're crazy if you try).  Labs do very well at hunting work,
GSD's enjoy it, but they don't flush, set, or retrieve correctly.
GSD's are more aggressively protective, they'll run around and bark
and try to do soemthing; labs will bark to let you know you have a
problem to take care of.

both can have excellent (albeit different) temperaments.  I've had
less hip problems with labs than with GSD's, but if you're careful
with breeders, you can minimize for either breed.


just off the top of my head,
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: biting
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:53:27 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1993Jan25.152721.17873@sei.cmu.edu> sw@sei.cmu.edu (Shelley Woosley) writes:
>
>My puppy is 3 months old and while I understand that she is teething, she
>bites me constantly.  Not just chewing but drawing blood.  Even when I'm just 
>sitting on the couch, she jumps up at my face!  I've tried Bitter Apple but it
>doesn't really work.  
On your face?? :-)
>Besides, I can't cover my body in it.  My obedience 
>trainer said to say "uh-huh" and give her a toy but the puppy is way beyond 
>"uh-huh" at this point.  I need something seriously unpleasant to do when she 
>bites.  Any suggestions?

Yes.  This is a relatively easy problem to solve.  Whenever the dog mouths you,
just insert your thumb into the pups mouth and squeeze his lower jaw between
your thumb (inside of his mouth) and the rest of your hand (outside of his mouth,
against the lower jaw).  Squeeze enough to make the pup squirm to get out, not
hard enough to injure the pup.  The pup will whine because his mouth is trapped,
not because he is in pain.  At the same time you do this, say "NO BITE!" As soon
as he whines, release him and priase him while giving him a proper toy to chew on.
If you are consistent with this, your dog will quickly catch on that mouthing is
unacceptable, let alone biting.  Variations on this theme are you yourself whining
when you are bitten (simulating a littermate bitten too hard) or growling and scruff
grabbing (simulating the mother when bitten too hard).  I have always liked the
grab and squeeze method as it has never failed to work for me.  In fact, I have already
taught Tuvo (my new pup) that mouthing like this is unacceptable doing this, and
he is only 9 weeks old.

>
>The puppy is a mutt: part Chow, part Lab if that matters

In this case, not really in my opinion.  This is typical puppy behavior,
knowing no breed bounds.

>
>Thanks,
>Shell

I hope this helps.

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From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:48:54 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: Neuter

In article <1993Jan25.074302.1259@lth.se> dag@bellman.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>In <rec.pets.dogs> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>>
>>  Are millions             ------------------------- 
>>  of pets being   YES     |                         |
>>  abandoned and ________\ |                         |
>>  euthanized            / |                         |
>>  every year              | GET YOUR PET NEUTERED!! |
>>  in the US               | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
>>  alone?                  |                         |
>>                          |                         |
>>                          |_________________________|
>
>The conclusion should be "don't breed your dog," instead of "castrate
>your dog."
>
>For those of us who take care of our dogs and don't allow them to run
>out of control, castration is not necessary.

Neutering IS necessary for good care. Only takes one escape incident to end up with 
an unwanted pregnancy.  Don't be lazy or over-confident.

BTW, I put down dogs before so I know what mistakes mean.
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:26:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino


My Sheltie, who is extremely tolerant, was really objecting to nail clipping.
I borrowed one of those electric nail-filing devices that groomers use from
a friend, and for some reason he did NOT object to this.  So he hates the
nail clippers that squeeze the nail, but didn't mind the noisy electric
filing.

I just bought one of these devices for about $50.  Since I don't send my
dog out to the groomers, I figure it'll pay for itself soon....

So could it be that to a dog, the clippers that squeeze the nail were
hurting?  I was really careful not to get the quick!

Anyway, borrow someone's electric filing device.  It worked for me.
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From: clark@riffle.stanford.edu (Clark Burdick)
Subject: FOUND: female german shepard (mix)
Originator: clark@riffle.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:07:44 GMT

A spayed, german shepard (possibly a mix) female was found in Mountain view,
CA at 3:30 on January 25 (Monday) in Mountain View Ca near the corner of
Rengstorff and Middlefield. The dog is very friendly, and wears a choke
chain Losers of dogs are urged to call the humane society of Santa Clara
county; the dog will be held for only three days :-( If the owners are not
located, this dog is good with both children and cats if there is a kind
hearted soul who would consider adopting this animal PLEASE CALL.

Clark Burdick
clark@riffle.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:59:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.165329.398@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.171139.27658@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>= 
>= I'm opposed to both ear and tail cropping.  Tail cropping may not
>= be very painful, but I happen to like dog tails.  My Australian
>= Shepherd has her tail and its beautiful!
>
>That's fine.  It's your choice.  I ask only that you give *me* the
>same choice--to do or not as I see fit.  (For the record, I'm
>speaking of tail docking.  I have no interest in those breeds whose
>ears are normally cropped so I'll leave that debate for those who
>have.)
>

I think the owner should have the choice, I just wouldn't make
that choice myself.  I am glad to hear that tail cropping isn't
very dangerous, since so many dogs have had it done.  


Jamie

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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Bulldog Questions
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:04:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wandas@wander.Eng.Sun.COM (Wanda Schroeder) says:

> I have been looking into getting a dog for sometime now and have recently
> been concedering a bulldog. Would any bulldog owner's out there like to
> to tell me a little about there dog's? I have researched various breed's
> according to their temperment and am still unsure what would be the best
> dog for us. The things I'm looking for is a dog are:
>     Good Temperment and a compainion
>     Must be good with children (I have a two year old)
>     Good watch dog or protective nature (no attack dog just a warning bell)
>     Medium sized (female only)
>     Able to jog and go for long walks (no little pieces of fluff)
>
> Any good ideas out there? Can a bulldog go jogging?
>
>

All the bulldogs I know meet all of your requirements except for the
jogging and long walks.  It is specifically recommended that you do not
overexercise bulldogs with jogging and excessively long walks, especially
in hot/humid weather.

A nice easy walk is no problem but that pushed in face can be trouble when
the dog is having to breathe heavily.  Bulldogs are also notoriously hard
to breed which keeps prices high.  Seems that most bitches have a good deal
of problem pushing those big heads through the birth canal and so
c-sections are routine in the breed.

But they typically love children and their ferocious looks are enough to
keep people away.  The dogs are really sweet and can be big babies with
loads of personality.

Bottom line:  Neat dogs but not for exercise companions.

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Subject: Re: dog eating rocks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:42:04 GMT

This is just hearsay, but a friend told me about a sister's dog who kept
his rock eating habit in the closet until they could hear him RATTLE!  
Imagine..

Another problem from chewing rocks is wearing down or losing teeth.  Our
dog when I was little wore her teeth way down, we didn't know it could 
be a problem at the time.

Good luck
Colleen Cicarelli
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:26:08 GMT
Subject: Writing article on wolf hybrids
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I am going to be writing a freelance article on Wolf Hybrids for the
Pet Gazette, a Bay Area (Calif) publication.

I would like to make this a balanced article, and am asking for:

1.  Suggestions of reading material
2.  Someone who has a hybrid to volunteer to review my article
3.  Someone opposed to hybrids to volunteer to review my article

Thanks all

Diane
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Name help....need creativity here !!
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:27:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Louisville

>> 
>> O.K., so the male is going to be "Cooper"
>> registered as Katwala's My Special Agent
>> (an old _Twin_Peaks_ reference)
>> 
>> The bitch we have been calling "Dally".
>> 
>> Kathy
>> ------------------------


I just thought of the best name as I was driving over to
teach my night class! In keeping with the TP theme,
how about Katwala My Secret Diary?

Holly
From: A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1H2Bv.203
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In article <1993Jan26.154736.2208@inel.gov>,
kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.143349.8857@lth.se> dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>>PS: Please help me to find the correct word.  "Spay" relates to
>>bithes and "neuter" to dogs; what is the sex-neutral word?  I have
>>used "castration" which is the Swedish word used (translated, of
>>course).
>
>I've always heard the term "fixed" applied generically.  I don't
>think castration is correct for females, but I could be wrong.
>
>Jamie
>

"Neuter" is sex-neutral.  Castration is male, spay is female.  I
suspect (in my slighty feminist brain) that the term "neuter" is
commonly used instead of "castration" because the mental image of
castration is a little too vivid.

Mary H.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Registered WOLF hybrids??
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:47:59 GMT

I was browsing through the pets for sale section of the classifeds the other
day and I noticed an ad that said something like this:

Wolf hybrids, registerable.

Say what? Is there actually a group registering hybrids now? This is in
Canada, so there might not be the same thing where you live. If I can find
that ad again I'll phone them up and ask and let you know what I find out...

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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Use of Beagles in Testing (Was:Re:  Poison Alert!!)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:22:16 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization

In article <1993Jan20.183250.26583@news.nd.edu> mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening) writes:
>
>I had the  opportunity to tour a testing facility in the toxicology
>dept. of an international (read HUGE) pharaceutical firm.  They use
>thousands of animals a year.  Of all types and sizes.  From monkeys
>to very large fish to dogs.  They had Beagles.  Purebred Beagles
>was there preference.  I don't know why, but I do know that they
>contracted with breeders for exactly this purpose and they did 
>considerable research in the genetics of the dogs so that they could
>try to eliminate genetic problems in the testing.  Of course having
>so many trials helps that out as well but they insisted on purebred
>dogs.  I don't know about the other animals.  Not to many monkey

There's a couple of current reasons for using beagles:  one is that they're
a gregarious dog and don't mind being kept with a bunch of other beagles.
Another is that they're a convenient size.

As for purebred, they don't want a lot of genetic diversity between dogs;
it reduces the probability of an idiosyncratic reaction to the testing.

Note:  Mice are one thing; but I could never work with dogs in testing.
(Even using mice got to bothering me.)  I now work with inorganic materials,
and am very happy abt it.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth 
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: choke chain opinions
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:46:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.151438.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.174441.28099@ncsu.edu>, David F. Austin <David_Austin@ncsu.edu> writes:
>> The following may be of interest to readers of this thread:
>> 
>> ON CHOKE COLLARS:
>>       There appears to be a sharp conflict between Michael W. Fox's view 
>> (in Superdog, Howell,1990) on the use of choke collars in dog training 
>> and the view of the Monks of New Skete (in The Art of Raising a 
>> Puppy, Little Brown, 1991).  Here's what they have to say in their 
>> books:
>
>(deleted)
>
>>  
>> Since I was taught to use a metal choke collar in training, I was 
>> concerned by this apparent conflict and decided to write to Fox and the 
>> Monks, and to discuss the matter with our vet.  Here are the responses I 
>> got.  First, Fox's reply:
>>  
>(deleted)
>>  
>> And here is the Monks' reply:
>
>(deleted)
>
>>  
>>  
>> When I discussed this material with our vets, Drs. D and T, I also asked 

etc.  This all sounds like excellent research but my newsfeed has
been down since last Friday sometime and I never saw the original
article.  (i.e. all the deleted)  Does anyone have these portions
that could send them to me?  I would really like to read them.
Thanks.

Mike


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From: rumisk@odie.cs.mun.ca (Jonathan Fernandes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hitting
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:23:30 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>= were never hit or had their nose rubbed in anything.  Using the word "no"
>= firmly (BUT NOT SCREAMING) has ALWAYS worked in the past even for
>= Trouble-maker type dogs.  


Why do you never scream? Will this cause a negative effect in the dog? 

I, personally, never hit my pets, but give them a firm "NO!" When they are
'bad'. Where should the line between a firm, loud voice and 'screaming' be
drawn?

Simply curious.

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From: deaverpf@infonode.ingr.com (Paul F. Deaver)
Subject: What's Happening!!!
Keywords: vocal,chord,extraction
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:15:45 GMT

Help me please!!!  My 3 year old silky terrier is a good dog.  He's
never been a problem, always well behaved, always polite.  

A few weeks ago, he ate something that didn't settle well and needed
out in the middle of the night.  Of course, he started barking.  I
let him out and he soon came back in, feeling much better.  That was
the start of it.  The next night, he barked again... then the next 
night, then the next night, etc.

To make a long story short, he consistently throws a fit at 2:15 and
at 4:30 every morning.  This has been going on for three weeks now.
Nothing else has changed.  He still gets his exercise.  He's on the
same eating schedule, same food, same water, etc.  He goes out at the 
same times.  He simply wants to go out and play!!!

When he throws these tantrums, I get up, scold him, put him back on 
his bed, and go back to bed myself.  Somehow, he just doesn't 
associate punishment as the negative consequence to his barking.  I've
even tried closing him in his crate when he starts barking.  No 
change.

Please!  If you have any suggestions aside from vocal chord removal, 
I'll take them!!!!!!


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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:09:05 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <2B607F71.82@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In <C19wns.IF3@visix.com> mark@visix.com (Mark Myers) writes:
>
>>In article <9301212105.AA22952@waverunner.dcrt.nih.gov>, young@alw.nih.gov writes:
>
>>|> Top Ten Flame Bait Subjects:
>>|>
>>|> 1.  Breeding
>>|> 2.  Mutts vs. Purebreeds
>>|> 3.  "Animal Rights"
>>|> 4.  Electronic Training Collars
>>|> 5.  Dogs on and off lead
>>|> 6.  Tail Docking
>>|> 7.  Ear Cropping
>>|> 8.  Would you believe:  Kennels
>>|> 9.  Breed Bans
>>|> 10. Mandatory Spay, Neuter bills
>
>>One more:
>
>>11.  Genetics vs. training/conditioning
>
>And:
>
>12: Koehler, or "there is only one way to train a dog"

And:

13: Wolf Hybrids

>
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>

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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Is there grass that will survive dogs? (Was: Loose dogs)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:33:15 GMT

In <C1A1sy.5M7@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.175144.7575@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>>
>>
>>But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
>>most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't
>>forget that they will need some exercize in addition to the little
>>that they will do while confined.

>Speaking of which.  Our back yard lawn is about 70% bare where our dogs go.
>I was going to look into getting some sort of "super-grass" for that area.
>Does anybody know if *any* natural grass can live in a dog run or is the
>only choice Astro turf?
>(..or as some wackos around here have  s lawns, concrete painted green...)

I have heard that gypsum applied to grass helps with dog urine.  This
is found in _Plants are People Too_; but I've not heard from anyone
who's actually tried it...

--Cindy
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From: stoml@ils.unc.edu (Lisa B. Stomberg)
Subject: Should dog stay where she is?
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:33:20 GMT

I need some advice. In August of 1991, I had to leave my dog Sammy in
New Mexico with my parents. I was starting a graduate program in North
Carolina and could not find a house with a yard. My parents have a big
yard at there house. Sammy, a Australian shepherd cross, has adjusted
well and my parents love her. By the way, Sammy is 3 1/2 years old. 

C
I am going to graduate in the summer and desperately want to have Sammy
back with me. I plan to find a house with a yard. Since I have left
Sammy, I have saddly only been able to get back to New Mexico twice.
However, she seemed to remember me and was always by my side when I did
visit.

My problem now is should I remove her from my parents house? I do not
know if this will damage her at all. I would love to have her back
again, but if this would hurt her I would rather leave her with my
parents.

I would appreciate any advice you might have.

Lisa
I