From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [MISC]  Hey Troops.  Desert Storm Is Over!
Summary: About Desert Storm Mission
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:58:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, Colorado


Dear Long Nguye^~n,

You asked for netter's comments on your articles about logic and thus, I gave
you mine. Then after getting my comments, you conluded that I was vicious and
I should get off your posting. Hmmm, you are indeed very logical :-) In this
post, I want to respond just so that we can "exchange" a little more of our
understanding about logic, okay :-)
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| From: longn@lauto.lmc.com (Long Nguyen)                                    |
| Subject: [MISC]  Hey Troops.  Desert Storm Is Over!                        |
| Date: 19 Aug 92 06:50:00 GMT                                               |
| Sender: cuong@haydn (Cuong T. Nguyen)                                      |
| Reply-To: lauto!longn@sequent.com                                          |
|                                                                            |
| Hey troops,                                                                |
|                                                                            |
| Desert Storm is over.  Sadam Hussein (DDK in Edinburgh) has been           |
| forced out of SCV.  Let's stop all fightings and find a cease fire         |
| date.  Say Thursday evening?                                               |
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I told you why your analogy might not be valid. Thus I won't argue with
your reasoning on this questionable framework any further :-)
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| Israel & Arab both have been fallen into the trap desperately & cheaply    |
| sprung by Iraq.  Meanwhile Kuwait was also attacked by Arab for being      |
| allying with US against Iraq.  (Longan played dual role:  Kuwait & US).    |
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Again, I congratulate your courage in identifing yourself with Kuwait and the
US in your ... still debatable model since no one knows whether you got any
"oil" :-) I guessed you said so because you mistakenly thought the Russian
made the patriot misiles and the American made those cheap scuds, did'nt you?
:-) You know, to be correct, you had to identify the "ga^u ga^u" language
from the one-and-only famous netter on this net as those scuds :-) You see,
we still see these barbaric "ga^u ga^u" fire helplessly and untargetedly on
innocent netters :-)
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| Now, let's revisit the reason for Sadam Hussein getting the boot:          |
| Operating on courtesy, SCV netters exchange news, knowledge, jokes,        |
| friendship, poems.  We don't need and even disgust at personal             |
| information revealed by immature netters.                                  |
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Very true. Also, we do not need worthless articles about logic that have been
posted by immature and "you-don't-even-know-what-you-don't-know" netters,
don't you think :-)
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| It was Sadam Hussein blatantly showing off & performing self-advertising   |
| for his own selfish motive.  His posts had no value to SCV but clobbering  |
| the net.  SCV don't need that kind of netters who also irresponsibly       |
| sended personal 'addressing' mail which resulted the halt of DANANG        |
| posting series.  WE DON'T NEED/WANT DDK'S OPINION NOR CENSORSHIP!          |
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I did not see DDK apply censorship to anyone. He only stated his opinions
and argued with you because you offended him for several times. If you were
logical, you should have said "WE DON'T NEED/WANT LONG NGUYE^~N 2-CENT LOGIC
LESSONS AND IMMATURITY ON THIS NET", too :-)
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| About the evil Soviet empire (Chris Chu@ATT), Iraq's weapon supplier:      |
| This netter has been annoying time and time for thriving on personal       |
| information.  He was not as blatant or offensive as his client Sadam       |
| Hussein because he knew how to meow like a cat "Meeoow meeoow, dduo^i anh  |
| daaaaa....ai` qua'".  But he's also mean and vicious.                      |
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Oooops, I thought you originally valued my opinion and that was why you had
"formally asked" me to address DDK :-) You were the one who flattered me with
your tail, don't you remember? :-) You see, someone complained about you
because you "meeoow, meeoow" along with the "ga^u ga^u" scuds :-)
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| >In this response to your public post as forwarded below, I want to tell   |
| >you that I have certainly known many people like you while playing in a   |
| >band around Denver and while helping A&TT Bell Labs recruit at UCD five   |
|                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               |
|                                      CHEAP SHOW-OFF                        |
| >years ago. I thank you for your offer but I really have no wish to get    |
| >"Cafeteria", "Pick up any chics" together with you because of your        |
| >immaturity and, sorry to say, stupidity.                                  |
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Five years ago, I and a colleague delivered our speech to the Vietnamese
students at UCD and collected a number of resumes and I just told Dlam, a
student there, about that since I think that at time he was still in High
School and thus, did not know :-) Why was that a show-off? You weren't
trying to compare the fact that I stated with your logic lessons that could
show that you are still a grade student in logic, were you? :-)
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| I ask Chris Chu to shut up and stay away from my logic postings because    |
| he's made a fatal slip in logic terminology.                               |
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Are you sure? I am listening to what you have to say :-) Hmmm, if I had
showed a "fatal slip" in logic terminology, why could you use a paragraph
of my article to illustrate your logic lessons in your previous posts? You
know, I did not respond to any of your posts about logic previously because
I thought you might really have something to say. However, after reading
roughly a dozen of your articles, I figured out that I should discuss them
with you :-) I thank you for providing me this opportunity :-)
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| >  A => B is always true if A is false; this is NOT OBVIOUSLY INTUITIVE to |
|        Not true but ^^^^ Valid here.                                       |
| Back in college, my logic (phylosophy 101) teacher would give a death      |
| sentence to any student making this slip in logic.  In my opinion, this    |
| mistake is more humiliating than Dan Quale misspelled 'potato' with and    |
| ending 'e'. In short, valid/validity is for arguement & true/truth is for  |
| fact.                                                                      |
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Really!!! :-) You know, you "bie^'t mo^.t ma` kho^ng bie^'t hai": in the
context of formal reasoning as in the undergrad philosophy course that you
took, your teacher had to distinguish between those two terms for the "C"
logic student like you :-) so you would not be confused about the premises
of an argument and the method of reasoning that was used in it!!! In
mathematical logic, which is the context that I used to establish a proof
for DDK's set theory elementary problem, I used "true" for the impication
above since, all statements, simple or complex can be considered as being
either true or false in this model. It is completely legitimate for me to
state: the statement to be proven is "true" in mathematical logic, okay!!!
You know, I wouldn't want to ask you how much undergraduate exercise in
philoshophy and logic you could have solve correctly, but that is definitely
a great thing for you to recall :-)
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| Chris Chu is welcomed to dig up books and assist my logic teaching but he  |
| doesn't quite have the fundametal understanding of logic to give an        |
| opinion. And please don't show off with fancy truth tables.  So, GET LOST  |
| Chris.                                                                     |
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Yup, please get lost :-) Thank you for teaching me this term and providing
me with the best opportunity to practice it :-) 
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| This netter has revealed his and others' personal informations serveral    |
| times in the last 4 months but I have chosen to overlook and stay out of   |
| his way:                                                                   |
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Your paragraph is hard to understand :-) Please rewrite it. Thank you :-)
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| 1.  Let's the one without sin cast the first stone.                        |
| 2.  I am not afraid but wanted no war at all.  (Then TX spoiled it!)       |
| 3.  He's an ok netter if his showing off could be overlooked.              |
|                                                                            |
| Now he's more stinky than usual that I have to cast stones to ward him     |
| off. I HATE THE ABUSE PERSONAL INFORMATION.                                |
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I am sorry that you have been throwing the stone to yourself and I thank you
for providing me with the stone that I did not have :-) Also, please think
about to your rhetoric again: you were sure that you shoud not post anything
related to yourself if someone told you that he/she hates personal info? Your
argument is indeed very convincing :-)
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| About my series of logic teaching, please don't think that I am showing    |
| off. In this world, life have many facets and follows the opportunity-cost |
| law.  Let me humbly admit that I don't know how to write poem, sing...  I  |
| have deficiency knowledge about Vietnam War 1945-75.  There are many other |
| things that I don't know but others do.  That's the whole point of         |
| exchange information.                                                      |
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I thank you for volunteering :-) however, I have explained why we should
not do this :-) It will take me forever to point out each and every falacy
in your arguments :-)
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| In my belief, logic is very essential in the beginning foundation of       |
| wisdom. And it is very simple and easy for everyone to grasp.  One can     |
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Are you sure about what you said? If it was that easy for you, then I would
not have to write this much :-)
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| fare very far by examining this simple exchange between two Americans      |
| (repost of LOGIC 101).                                                     |
| >   All murderers have human form                                          |
| >   You have human form                                                    |
| >                                                                          |
| >   You must be a murderer                                                 |
|                                                                            |
| No offense intended, Tom, but this logic is flawed.                        |
| A -> B                                                                     |
| A                                                                          |
| therefore B is correct, or                                                 |
| A -> B                                                                     |
| NOT B                                                                      |
| therefore NOT A                                                            |
|                                                                            |
| (All murderers have human form.                                            |
| You are a murderer, therefore you have human form.                         |
| or                                                                         |
| All murderers have human form.                                             |
| You do not have human form, therefore you are not a murderer...)           |
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Let me tell you my observations about the paragraph above: (1) people who
did not take any philoshophy or mathematics course would not bother to read
what you wrote. And (2) People who had these courses can see that (a) you
do not understand what the problem is; (b) you do not know how to represent
the problem; and (3) you do not know how to explain it :-)
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| Longan - USA with SDI & patriot missiles.                                  |
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Oooooops, first, you thought that you had some "oil". Now, you thought you
got the "missiles", even the US SDI "patriot" ones. Hmmm, when will you be
George Bush, the president of the United States? :-)

Cheers,

Chris