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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:09:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.163732.3253@pencom.com> diane@starfish (Diane Harvey) writes:
>
>> If a dog is disqualified in Obedience once, it can not be shown again.
>> A dog can be disqualified (in Obedience) for the following:
>> Blindness, Deafness (Note, that deaf dogs are being considered as
>> qualifying for the next revisions), changed in appearance for cosmetic
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> reasons
>^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nlittle@ems.cdc.com
>> 
>
>What does 'cosmetic reasons' mean?  If it were true that dogs can be  
>disqualified in Obedience for altering their appearance for cosmetic  
>reasons, how could a docked Doberman compete in Obedience?  Would this  
>include things like my bracing a Collie puppy's ears to train them?  But I  
>know I've seen dogs that were docked and altered and also have obedience  
>titles.  Can anyone comment on how frequently this kind of  
>disqualification occurs in AKC Obedience trials and what it means?
>
>Curious,
>Diane Harvey					diane@pencom.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Owner of Lisara's __________ (call name Bruce, 3 mo.) sable/white Collie

Bracing collie ears and other ears (like some shepherds, dobies, corgies, etc)
is acceptible because it is only a training method for young, soft cartledge
that hasn't stiffened or is going through funny teething stages.
Surgery, like braces for missaligned teeth and jaws, pigment addition
for light lips or noses, tendon cutting for too curly tails, or
other surgery like for hernias, or heart murmers, make the dogs
disqualified.  You are fine, don't sweat it.  

Cheers!

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee   s&w collie
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Carnation home delivery (was Problems with Pro Plan Turkey?)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:38:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy Little) says:

>In article <C1BCGu.FGD@portal.hq.videocart.com>, mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews) writes:
>|> 
>|> Now that I read here that the lamb/rice formulas can be bad I'm thinking
>|> of trying the feed that Carnation sends by home delivery. Anybody have
>|> any experience with the Carnation plan and their 800 phone number?
>|> 
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>|> Mike Andrews                                   VideOcart, Inc.
>|> mandrews@hq.videocart.com                      Chicago, IL USA 
>|> =-=- Madonna:  Andy Warhol called. Your 15 minutes are up.-=-=
>
>I've had my dogs on Nutra Max Lamb and Rice with extremely good
>results.  I wouldn't be so quick to judge all lamb and rice foods
>as being bad.  Just because a few dogs do poorly on a food doesn't
>mean that it isn't good.  Many dogs have allergies to ingredients
>in certain dog foods (i.e. wheat, corn, etc).  If you are happy
>with the way your dog looks and eats, there's probably no need to
>change foods.
>
>Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nancyl@ems.cdc.com
>
>Home of:
>    Am/Can O.T.Ch. Bergman Blacky WCX (Damien - Labrador) 
>    O.T.Ch. Tystar Cruise Control TDI HC, Can CD (Cruiser - Border Collie)
>    Heelalong Sharp As A Tack UD (Tack - Border Collie)
>    Maggie UD (Labrador)
>
>
Here is a testimonial for another Lamb-based food.  Eagle Natural Pack
never caused any trouble for my dogs and they stayed at a good weight with
good stools.  They were both switched off to other foods for other reasons
that had nothing to do with the Eagle food.  The Bouv is hypothyroid with
cholesterol problems so she is on a low-cal, high fiber food.  The Airedale
has some sort of allergy but it isn't the food because he has had it with
three different foods now and I went for wildly different formulations.  My
Airedale bitch went from Iams to Eagle and her coat improved from good to
excellent.

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:59:14 GMT

> Ruth Ginzberg writes:
> Does anyone have any good advice for getting my dog to stand still for
> regular
> toe-nail clipping?


I never clip nails when my dogs are standing, I find it to be very awkward
(sp?) and if a dog is at all inclined to struggle it is much easier for them
to get away from you.

For my big dogs, I get them to lie on their side and firmly enforce the fact
that I expect them to lie there and hold very still. If they struggle, I put
pressure on the neck and hold the rear legs down to keep them from rolling
over, berate them for struggling and praise them for calming down. With
little dogs, I sit on the couch and get them up beside me. I then put them
over on their back with one side of the body against my leg. I usually rub
the tummy for a while to get them calm and then trim the nails with short
tummy rubs in between. If the dog struggles, a hand placed firmly on the
chest will hold it in place and teach it the futility of trying to get away.

I think the main thing is BE FIRM. A lot of dogs will put up a BIG fuss even
before they have been hurt, and I just refuse to put up with this sort of
thing 'cos it just makes them act even worse if you cater to it. If I do
accidentally nick a quick, I still stay very matter of fact about it and
immidiately work on keeping the dog calm and then continue on to the next
nail.

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From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Bullmastiffs
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:04:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan25.190435.5854
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon


     We've had our Bullmastiff about 6 weeks now, and we're delighted.  He's
our second dog, our first being a Rottweiler rescued from the pound.  He's
also a pound rescue.  He's very bright and loving, and he's settling in
quite nicely.  So far he's been a breeze to train (especially compared to
our Rottie), though we'll be starting him in obedience school starting next
weekend.  Mainly for the chance to be around other dogs, as he's already
learned most of the basics of the obedience class we took our Rottie to.
     He's a very sensitive dog, and once reprimanded is usually enough to
keep him from repeating a behavior.  The two dogs are best buddies, having
taken a few days to decide their respective positions in our "pack".  They
love to romp, and we're really glad we chose to get the second dog, as they
are great company to one another.
     Another wonderful trait is he doesn't seem to shed.  Our Rottie sheds
like everything, constantly, and we have to sweep up after him almost every
day.  But he's worth it.  They're both delights to own (usually).
     Zeke (the bullmastiff) is also quite a dreamer.  He makes interesting
rar-rar-rar sounds in his sleep.  And sometimes he wakes up and runs about
as if something is the matter.  (I suspect he was abused, but he's much
less flinchy than when we first brought him home, and seems to be settling
in nicely).


     Anyway, just my .02 cents worth.

     Robert

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:14:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: macwinde.winders-250193130853
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C1C3FM.1D2n@austin.ibm.com>, me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael
E) wrote:

> The practice of docking ears, for example, tends to hide physically 
> debilitating ear traits. Rather than carefully and PATIENTLY breeding dogs
> with shorter (and healthy) ears we end up in these situations. Such
> breeders could never select for healthy ears- they cut them off!!!
> 

This is complete utter bull!!  Please don't post your make-believe
reasons for ear cropping.....

Early Doberman breeders, including Louis Dobermann, tried to get bobtails
and erect ears. I am sorry to say that they were unsuccessful.  The other,
more important, traits they were looking for needed to be preserved at all
costs.  The ears and tails were docked and cropped for the dogs protection
when it was doing the work it was bred to do.  The reason they were docked
and cropped was to eliminate any hand holds.

To retain the original look of the breed, Doberman's tails and ears are
docked and cropped.

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:54:27 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <SEG.93Jan21071107@cbncp1.ATT.COM>, seg@cbncp1.ATT.COM (Scott Gordon X6133) writes:
|> Perhaps the idea is the dominance.  
|> 
|> I used to get my Akita to lay down on his side.  I would straddle him
|> and go to work.  Lots of postivie reinforcement.
|> 
|> The funny story was when I was doing this in the front yard and the
|> crusing police officer stopped by to see if everything was OK.   :-)
|> 
|> Much of it is your comfort with the procedure as well as the dog
|> knowing that you won't hurt it.  This takes time and patience.
|> 
|> 
|> Scott Gordon
|> seg@cblpn.cb.att.com

I had a breeder show me how to clip nails with a dremel tool using a sanding
disk. What usually makes the dog jerk, is the pressure he/she feels using 
standard doggie nail clippers. The sanding disk trick applies no pressure, it
just tickles. 

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: cth@col.hp.com (C.T.Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Memorial Service Suggestions?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:52:24 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub2.cs.itc.hp.com


  Our neighbor's dogs and ours play together so much, we're sort of one
  big family.  Unfortunately, the oldest of "our kids" died last night.
  We found him this morning, and the neighbors will have him cremated 
  a bit later.

  Thankfully, he went peacefully in his sleep, and found his way into a 
  favorite "nesting" spot under our porch before passing...

  Saturday, we'd like to do a memorial service of some kind, letting the
  wind spread his ashes over the mountain where we live.

  Does anyone have some suggestions regarding this sort of thing? 
  A poem, or scripture of some kind?  We want to do something appropriate
  for the occassion, but never have given much thought to these circumstances
  before...

  Please reply to me directly, as there is little time, and I don't normally
  access this group.  Thanks in advance for your help.
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From: kim@castle.wpd.sgi.com (Kim Rachmeler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs at Work?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:10:04 GMT
Reply-To: kim@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: SGI CASE Products Group

In article <roop-260193135650@karen.swarthmore.edu>, roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
|> I'm interested to find out how many people take their dogs to work with
|> them. 
|> 
|> Where do you work (private corp., college, etc.)?
|> What do you do for a living?

	I work at Silicon Graphics, a workstation manufacturer in
  Mountain View, CA.  I do software design.

|> Do you have your own office, share one, have a cubicle, etc.?
|> Where do you keep your dog at work?
|> Is the dog crated or can roam?
|> Do you work normal business hours (i.e., 9:00-5:00, M-F)? If not, when do
|> you work?

	Engineers at SGI have offices with doors.  When I bring
  Foster (15 month old female Australian Shepherd) to work I keep her 
  inside my office with the door closed -- otherwise she would be
  accosting passers-by to lick their faces :-).  When Foster's here, 
  I work normal hours to keep her schedule intact.  I've never
  brought Foster in more than once in a given week and when I do,
  I never leave her alone.

|> Did you have to get special permission to have your dog at work?  If so,
|> what kind of permission?  What justification did you have to give to have
|> your dog at work?
|> Is your dog involved in any special programs that justifys having him/her
|> at work?

	The first time I brought Foster to work was on "Beat the
  Backup" day.  I walked her to work from my house, about three and a
  half miles away.  We actually made it onto the local news because
  a camera crew was covering the entrance to SGI, looking at the
  various means people were using for alternate transportation.

	Several people bring their dogs to work on a semi-regular
  basis.  Foster isn't mellow enough yet to bring in very often.
  Before I do bring her, I make sure that one of the other engineers
  will be bringing his Labrador so that they can play together on the
  company soccer field and tire each other out.

	I feel very lucky to be working for a company that puts
  teeth into its diversity policy :-).

	Kim Rachmeler
	kim@wpd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Deborah Trytten)
Subject: Re: Do you french your dog?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:25:57 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs 

In article <19973@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>> Kyler Laird writes:
>> Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
>> how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
>> hard to avoid the tongue.
>
>Keep your lips tightly pressed together, no matter HOW much it tickles or how
>much you want to laugh or scream, glue your lips shut! It works for me about
>50% of the time, I haven't quite figured out how to avoid the tongue up the
>nostril yet though :) Those tongues have a life of their own!

I had my first dog Cali, a very polite well mannered sheltie, for about six
years before adopting Sammy.   Now Cali has only given me a couple of
very tentative kisses in all the years that I've had him.   Sam is another
matter.  Sam loves to kiss: anyone, anytime, anywhere.   His favorite
trick is to sit obediently in front of some unsuspecting guest until the
guest bends over to pet him and then give a 'projectile kiss'.   I warn
people, but they don't always believe me until Sam is in their face. 

Sam's favorite kissing time is in bed.   He loves to spend about five
minutes in the morning wrapped around me giving kisses.  The problem is
that his breath is *terrible* (he's an old dog, and yes, he does have
tooth problems but there isn't much that can be done for a guy who's
pressing 13 years old).   As much as I love him, it is absolutely disgusting
to wake up to his breath.   So we have worked out a compromise.   He
is allowed to wrap his head around my neck and lick my far ear.   But
he is not to lick my face.   He is happy because he gets to be close, and
can kiss *something*, and I don't have to smell his breath.   It works
for us.
And I do know that I could train him not to kiss, but I don't want to.
:-)

Deborah Trytten
dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Organization: not much...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:20:14 GMT

> My kids (Shelties Mindy & Ivan) eat:
>
> Grapes (if you smush them)

I have trained our dogs to eat grapes *without* having to puncture them (the
grapes) first.  The problem is that an intact grape doesn't taste like much,
and so the dog feel that it might just as well be sucking on a marble and
spits it out.  The trick, in our case, was to push it back between the dog's
molars and crush it with the dog's own teeth; you get a very surprised-looking
dog, and one who eventually learns that grapes are tasty.

> PEANUT BUTTER food of the dog Gods........

There was a truly wonderful short film many years back that consisted of the
following action

	1. a sitting dog is offered a fingerful of PB
	2. the dog licks off the PB
	3. the dog chews and swallows the PB
	4. for the next 5 minutes, the dog attempts to lick the PB out of the 
	   spaces between its gums and its cheeks

I know that it doesn't sound funny, but believe me, it had the audience
rolling in the aisles.

No, I haven't tried it; funny as it looked, I suspect that the dog was not
amused...

BTW, PB is not the "food of the dog Gods": flounder roe is.  It is the only
substance that ever caused Fagin to try to eat my fingers off when I offered
it to him; I don't mean he licked my fingers, I mean he tried to grab it from
me, and this was extremely unlike him.  The favorite food of BOTH our Standard
Poodles, far and away, is seafood, especially really smelly stuff like roe and
bluefish.  Katie gets a little bit of canned tuna with her dry food, instead
of dog food.

Next time you have fish for dinner, offer a little piece to your dogs, and
I'll bet their little eyes will go wide as saucers and they'll scarf it right
up.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kayshav_dattatri@taligent.com (Kayshav Dattatri)
Subject: Recommendations for Flea Collar
Organization: Taligent
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:35:31 GMT

I want to buy some flea collars for our german shephards. Which are the
better brands and approximate prices. Any discount places in the SFO
bay area?

Thanks
kayshav

Kayshav_Dattatri@taligent.com

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: fencing
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:31:13 GMT

In article <16B628778.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
= In article <1993Jan26.150704.26941@mips2.ma30.bull.com>
=   dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff) writes:
=  
= >get educated." (he was pretty rude about the whole thing).
=  
= I would NOT buy from that company, no matter what type/price of
= fence they have.  And write a letter to the manager of the store and
= tell them why (you don't remember the name of the person you talked to
= do you?).

Maybe; maybe not, Chris.  As I suggested to Laurie by e-mail, he
could have been doing her a favor (albeit in a gruff and tactless
way).  If he said precisely what Laurie posted, he could have been
warning her that if she asks that question, she could be asking for
recommendations like the one for vinyl-clad chainlink fabric.  :)
I.e. asking to be sold the most expensive stuff they have or, at
best, receiving advice from someone who knows no more about it than
she does.  Just a thought--sometimes a reply such as Laurie quoted
may be more in one's best interests than the slickest presentation...


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srsmart@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (susan r. smart)
Subject: Static in Fur...Ouch!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:48:27 GMT


My Golden spends much of the day outside, where our temperatures are
around 40 this week.  Her fur is full of static electricity when I pet
her.  After the initial shock, her fur just crinkles with static.  Any
suggestions for alleviating this problem which admittedly probably
bothers me more than the dog?  She has a big bath scheduled for
SuperBowl Sunday--I'd hate to make the problem worse.

Susan Smart srsmart@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:27:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rewald@stsci.edu () says:

>> In article <1993Jan21.154528.13379@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>>>
>>>What are the justifications (historical, aesthetic, medical) for
>>>docking?
>>>
>I was wondering about cutting ears?  I think that in some breeds, it is 
>aesthetics; in some (protection, baiting breeds) it's like another poster 
>mentioned - providing fewer "handles" for attackers.  But a friend of mine
>had standard schnauzers, and she didn't have thier ears bobbed.  The dogs were
>cute, but had a lot of problems with ear infections because very little air got
>in, and the ear canals were too moist.  Later in life, one of the dogs had a
>big problem with some kind of blood-filled cysts in the ends of the ears.
>Her vet said that because the ear fell over and made a crease, it caused a
>problem with the local blood circulation. 
>   So, I wonder if some of the ear-cutting has to do with early breeders not
>selecting for healthy ears?
>   I'd very much like to get a doberman at some point, and if it's up to me,
>I'd just as soon not cut the ears, unless it will make problems later in life.
>So - Does anyone KNOW anything about it, or is it all tradition and speculation?
>
>Thanks - Rosalie
>

I don't know that early breeders didn't select for healthy ears or not.  It
is true though that erect ears are typically more healthy ears because of
the air and cleanliness of them.  Flop ears just stay damp and waxy.

I would say that people have intentionally selected for the flop look since
the erect ear is the dominant.  I base that on the fact that pariah dogs
and wild canids have erect ears. 

Flop ears aren't necessarily bad, you just have to take care of them more. 
For instance, poodles are notorious for ear trouble but I like their ears
the way that they are.

Rather than going to cutting on ears, earlier fanciers could have simply
allowed the natural erect ear set back into the lines.

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu