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From: johnh@borland.com (John Haskey)
Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: Railroad Tycoon for the Atari ST bug?
Originator: johnh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:35:14 GMT

Re: Retiring as president....

It's easy to retire as president on the PC version.  You  just exploit the
bug that eventually the price required to buy your competitor overflows the
signed 16 bit integer and goes negative.  When it wraps around to about
-2,000,000 dollars, snap up the company and then liquidate stock.  Watch 
your income soar!!!
								---john.

p.s.  Is is possible to win playing legally as well....
-- 
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"...there are at least 9 Redwood Drives in Santa Cruz county, plus 5 Roads, 
4 Avenues, 3 Places, 3 Streets, 2 Terraces, 2 Ways, and 1 each of a Lane and
a Circle, all, presumably named for the Redwood Tree." -S.C. County Place Names
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: help with paint colors
From: hooverb@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:40:23 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center

I got a 1/25 scale model of the General for Christmas, and need help on
colors. Specifically, the cab interior is shown red in the model photos,
but the instructions say it is green. Also the roof is shown red, but
the instructions say black. The sand-dome is shown crhome plated, but
the instructions say yellow. Any information about what colors are on
the General as now displayed (or as original, if different) would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

Bruce Hoover

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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:28:58 GMT


REVERSING LOOPS	

The resons reversing loops were chosen over wyes or 
turntables in Colorado is not so much to turn helpers,
but to turn snow plows.  A wye or TT would do just as
well for a helper, and might be a lot cheaper.  However,
a wye would be useless for a plow which would have to
back over part of the unplowed track to get turned around.
A turntable would have to be awfully long to spin a plow
and its associated pusher locomotive.  There are probably
a lot of these loops still in use in snow country.  One 
that comes to mind is on the D&RGW mainline east of 
Moffat Tunnel at Fraser Park if memory serves.  

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:22:20 EST
From: <CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: touring Beech Grove
 <1993Jan6.123912.16878@samba.oit.unc.edu>

In article <1993Jan6.123912.16878@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) says:
>


>
>You speak of Walter Barrick in the past tense.  He no longer runs Beech
>Grove?  He gave part of our tour himself and was a wonderful and
>fascinating person.
    Walter Barrick retired as General Manager of Amtrak's Beech Grove shops
on April 1, 1989. He joined Amtrak in July 1975 coming to the passenger rail
corporation from the Thrall Car Manufacturing Co. Barrick was replaced by
Robert Stout, who joined Amtrak from the Southern Pacific. I do not know at
this writing if Stout is still the GM at Beech Grove.

 craig sanders
From: gregg@pinot.zehntel.com (Gregg Fuhriman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX GP30 sighted
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: gregg@pinot.UUCP (Gregg Fuhriman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA

In article <930105135110@d-cell.ftp.com> stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.202410.10030@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
>
>>     The last 2 trips down to Southern West Virginia I've made in the last
>>couple of months, I've come away with a strange sighting.  It seems there
>>is a GP-30 doing pusher service on the Allegheny section of CSX between
>>Hinton - Ronceverte - Clifton Forge.  The first time I saw the unit, it was
>>painted entirely light grey with no markings.  When I saw it last week, they
>>had painted a blue CSX on the side.  Anyone like to comment?
>
>sounds like on of the re-assigned RF&P units. they are dark blue and grey .

RF&P did not have any GP30's.  Besides, the original post said the unit
in question was entirely light grey, which sounds like the CSX "stealth"
scheme to me.
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Subject: Re: About diesels...
From: hansend@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:48:17 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <ea1aest@Unify.Com>, raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> 	Dave Pierson (pierson@empror.enet.dec.com) asked...
> 
>> So, what makes a diesel a diesel?
> 
> 	A diesel engine is one that uses the diesel cycle, named for
> 	Dr. Rudolf Diesel [I think] around the turn of the century.
> 	It's one of the well-known thermodynamic cycles, and consists
> 	of these four phases of action on its working gas:
> 
> 	    --  Adiabatic compression
> 	    --  Heating at constant pressure
> 	    --  Adiabatic expansion
> 	    --	Cooling at constant volume
> 
> 	For those who've had enough time to forget, adiabatic refers
> 	to something that happens without a net gain or loss of
> 	energy (heat).
> 
> 	Some other thermodynamic cycles of interest are ...
> 
> 	    --	The Otto cycle, which is used by typical
> 		gasoline engines [in Ottomobiles ...er, automobiles, & such]

You imply in your statement that this cycle and the Diesel thermodynamic 
cycle are different.  Could you please point out how they are different? 
To my mind, they appear to be the same.  The difference between Otto 
engines and diesels appears to me to be solely a matter of compression 
ratio and ignition source, which don't change the thermodynamic cycle 
characteristics.  

> ------------------
> Paul Raveling
> Raveling@Unify.com

Doug Hansen  Hansend@physc1.byu.edu
From: salfi@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Mike Salfi)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Radial Railway Museum
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:53:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA



I saw a few articles posted indicating an interest in electric
rail and t reminded me of a visit I made to the "Halton County Radial
Railway Museum".  It is located west of Toronto.  I would not rate
this museum as a special trip, but if you are in the Toronto area for
other reasons, it is definitely worth a visit.  They have several restored
wood TTC streetcars, a Montreal and Southern Counties Streetcar (wood) (which
is in active service) and a TCR (Danforth) Streetcar (again wood, and from 
Toronto) which is also in active service. At least one of the TTC cars is
also in active service, but was not in action the day I was there.  They also
have an electric "crane car" which is used for track repair.
They also have many streetcars in various states of repair including at least
one passanger car that operated in the London Ontario to St. Thomas railway
line (I can't remember the name of the railroad.  I can't wait to see this
car once restoration is completed.  The main yard has a large
gift shop and two sheds that contain the equipment being restored.
You can ride the streetcars indicated on a mile of wooded track to the
eastern terminus, which houses another shed that contains additional cars,
however these are in very bad shape.  You can detrain at this terminus to
enjoy a walk or a picnic lunch then return on another streetcar. The
operating streetcars depict a circa 1920 era.
The rides are included in your admission ticket and you can ride all day, if
you wish.
They are open weekends from mid May through November, every day except Monday
and Tuesday in June and every day in July and August.
If you are ever in the area, enjoy.
I have no association with the museum or staff, just letting you know.

Mike Salfi
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From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: RailPhones (was Re: The Elvis Stamp)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:18:38 GMT

In article <dz+39gh@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <C0oCFx.KvE@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>|> 
>|> P.S.  I'm posting this via acoustic coupler modem from my laptop on
>|> board one of those Amtrak trains with the new TrainFones.  This is K00L.
> 
> Have they installed Railfones on the Lake Shore Limited now? Or did you
>. . .
> . . .And how about Canada? Do they have phones on the 
>Toronto-Montreal trains?
>
All (or certainly most) of the first-class LRC coaches have a pay-cellular
telephone (accepts credit cards).  These are accesible for all passengers
in the train.  They have been there for some time (perhaps 2 years).  This
would be most trains on the Montreal-Toronto, Montreal-Ottawa,
Montreal-Quebec, Ottawa-Toronto, Toronto-Windsor and Toronto-Sarnia-Chicago.

Nicholas Fitzpatrick
From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: RR Historical Societies
Keywords: History Societies
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:30:47 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

There have been several inquiries about RR historical societies.  The current   issue (February 1993) of Model Railroader magazine has a list of historical 
and technical societies that focus on specific railroads.  It begins on page
166.  They admit that they are not sure if the list is complete and ask that
societies not listed write to Model Railroader.

Loren Cantrell

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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: WSOR vs WICT (Was: New RR GIF's Posted - Week Six)
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:09:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.033438.29605@tellab5.tellabs.com> dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy) writes:

>Unlike the old WICT,
>the WSOR is not fond of visitors since an unfortunate railfan
>incident a few months back.  

Can anyone elaborate on this?

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From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Local L.A. info request
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:02:12 GMT

carl_henderson@um.cc.umich.edu (Carl Henderson) writes:
>Does anybody care to share their knowledge about the best way to get from
>Union Station to Loyola Marymount?  Should I cab it?  Rent a car?  Public
>transport?  Or should I just fly to LAX :) ...?  I will either arrive late
>Sunday afternoon (Desert Wind) or early Monday a.m. (Chief or Sunset).

Since you will be travelling during the day, I would suggest public transport.
The "Metro" is nearly completed I think, be sure to ask.  Otherwise, there
is a bus (Line 20) which goes from Union Station to Santa Monica.  One transfer
should get you to Loyola, the trip would be interesting and inexpensive.
Some people cannot stand public transportation, you do not seem to be the type.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au (Matthew Geier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,aus.rail
Subject: Re: CityRail (Sydney)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:13:59 GMT
Organization: Desolation Road Railfan BBS

craig@sleeper.apana.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes:

>You may be interested to know that the new timetable to come into effect
>on January 24 will write off all the eight car M sets from service.
>There are currently only two running around, the rest have been shoved
>into Redfern to be cut up. I saw one of the remaining sets today.
 Ive noticed the manual door Double Deck Tulloch traillers collecting
there over the last month.

 Recently at least 3 parcels vans have joined them.
 The cutting contactors dont seem to be working at the moment, there has
been a half cut up car 'up the back' for a month now.
 I wonder if they are selling off the Tulloch Double Deck trailers like
they were selling the single deck cars. Would be interesting to find out if
the cars are structurely sound if their weight is sitting on the gondola.
 They will probably have to sell them complete with bogies if they sell any
at all.

>I'd like to see a Tangara car last 66 years in service.

 To be fair , the M sets arnt really 66 years old, any 1926 motor cars
that were part of the last 7000 series cars were heavyly rebuilt in the
50's, A number WERE built in the 50's
 Although I do rather doubt that Tangara's, in the present form will last
66 years. Some 'rebuilt' or 'remanufactured' sets might see that long
a life span.

-- 
Matthew Geier,
matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au   |  Desolation Road Railfan BBS and Dialup Unix
matthew@cs.su.oz.au (Quicker)  |  (+61) 2 718 6996 ( Ringback )    
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From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
Subject: CSX GP30 sighted
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:24:10 GMT

     The last 2 trips down to Southern West Virginia I've made in the last
couple of months, I've come away with a strange sighting.  It seems there
is a GP-30 doing pusher service on the Allegheny section of CSX between
Hinton - Ronceverte - Clifton Forge.  The first time I saw the unit, it was
painted entirely light grey with no markings.  When I saw it last week, they
had painted a blue CSX on the side.  Anyone like to comment?
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From: johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh)
Subject: Re: Electric Train Sparking
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:54:52 GMT
Summary: Sparks from catenary

In article <1993Jan12.082333.6515@walter.cray.com>, rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.150925.2246@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> >
> >	Do any of you people have some favorite electric-train
> >sparking anecdotes?
> >
Yes, one that I saw and one that I read about.

One night a few years ago (back when the Metroliners were the
actual Metroliner high-speed MUs) I was down at Princeton Jct.
in New Jersey.  A light fog had just started to build and this
was to be the last train I saw that night because of the weather.
Metroliner cars had a Mars/Gyralight so as it approached it looked
like it was literally boring through the night.  When it flew by
at 100+ MPH the 4 pantographs were sparking so much that it cast
a blue light on the ground.  I could tell that this light was
not just from the windows but was indeed enhanced by the sparking.
As the train receded I could see the sparks fading and the headlight 
boring on toward Trenton.

The one that I read about must have been a real spectacle.  It
was recorded in the Tom Taber books (3 volumes) on the Lackawanna
Railroad.  There was a severe ice storm over the New Year holiday
in either 1947 or '48.  The DL&W used a 3000 V DC power system
for its MU trains and they ran in power car/trailer car pairs.
The usual practice was to use only 1 pantograph per power car.
This ice storm was so bad that they had to use both pans to get
enough power and to make sure that all possible ice was knocked
off of the catenary.  Taber wrote that from his home in Madison,
NJ he could see the sparks starting when the train left Chatham
to the east almost all the way to Convent Station in the west.
There eventually was a power failure, the DL&W for 1 day, Madison
or 2 or 3 days, and to keep up some service they towed dead
MU cars with steam engines and one way was tender first because
of no wyes or turntables.
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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: CSX GP30 sighted
Summary: road slug, maybe?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:44:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.202410.10030@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
>      The last 2 trips down to Southern West Virginia I've made in the last
> couple of months, I've come away with a strange sighting.  It seems there
> is a GP-30 doing pusher service on the Allegheny section of CSX between
> Hinton - Ronceverte - Clifton Forge.  The first time I saw the unit, it was
> painted entirely light grey with no markings.  When I saw it last week, they
> had painted a blue CSX on the side.  Anyone like to comment?


Was it working with another unit?  If so, are you sure it wasn't 
one of the GP30s that was converted to a road slug?  (cab, traction
motors, but no prime mover -- with the traction motors getting 
power from the other unit)

The way to tell:  (1) Doors on body blanked out; (2) extra jumper
cables between it and adjoining unit.

-- Ernest
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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:51:01 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1993Jan6.195820.14550@ryn.mro4.dec.com> pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
>
>I know GG1s have oil fired heat, as did NH electrics.  The original NYC
>electrics (S motors) had none, thinking to get to/from GCT before the cars lost
>heat.  The MU equipment was commonly (always?) direct electric, since they
>didn't have to run behind steam.
>
On CN's Montreal/Deux-Montagnes commuter line, most runs are covered
by MU equipment.  I know these are heated, since I almost roasted
on board one last Thursday morning.  :^)  I suppose the heating is
direct electric, as Dave says above, though I don't know for sure.
I don't see any sign of steam lines or boilers.

At rush hour, the MU trains are supplemented by locomotive-hauled
trains.  These use mostly coaches leased from VIA, and built to be
steam-heated.  According to an article in last month's Trains
magazine, the CN electric units don't have steam generators, so
the cars are heated with steam from a fixed source at Montreal Central
Station, then gradually cool on the run to Deux-Montagnes and back.
This sounds plausible to me.  However, the article then goes on to say
that car temperatures can be near 100 F on departure from Central
Station, and near freezing on the return trip.  I've never experienced
temperature extremes anywhere near this large. When I get on board for
the inbound trip, the cars are typically warm enough to instantly fog
my glasses (which makes finding a seat difficult :-).

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
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From: jsm@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Scott McCauley Jr.)
Subject: Re: X2000 in Corridor service - February
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: tilt train
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:57:45 GMT

In article <C0K1y6.sA@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>An AMTRAK staffer told me today (while I waited at 30th St station)
>that the X2000 train will be in service, as a Metroliner, beginning of
>next month.  He said it will leave Washington D.C. as a morning train
>to New York, and return back as an evening.  [meaning, miker@panix
>was right, they're keeping it parked in Washington]
>

I saw something I've never seen before zooming past Trenton Station
going northbound earlier today.  It was blue and white (or silver)
and sort of looked like the Adirondack trains. It might have been a
deadhead run of MARC cars, as most trains stop at Trenton, but I'm pretty
sure it was the X2000.

An AMTRAK agent said that they will be told on a daily basis if the X2000
is running the Metroliner. He also said that they have two unresolved issues
that might cancel the whole deal:

1) Power cars are made of fiberglass bodies. The NEC has a lot more debris
   than Swedish railroads. Trash, rocks, coins placed on tracks and so
   forth can really do a number on the power cars.

2) The train can't be decoupled easily outside a shop. If a car has
   a flat spot on a wheel, for example, the whole train has to be
   'shopped' -- they can't just drop the problem car off on a siding.

I'd guess that the debris problem might be solved by using Aluminum or
composite bodies (Kevlar?). The NEC could be cleaned up, but people still
could drop rocks from bridges.

The servicing problem sounds harder. I think most of the current designs
(TGV, ICE, Bullet, X2000) are all unit trains. The Adirondack cars can be
uncoupled -- I saw one on the NEC once that was being towed behind a Clocker:
|E60| - |normal cars| - | rear Ad. car><Front Ad.|-|other Ad. cars|

So you might want to get a ride on one before they disappear...

	Scott
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ardie@UIUC (R.D. McClary)
Subject: U25B's (Wabash)
Organization: Department of Plant Pathology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:17:36 GMT

More than you want to know about GE U25B's

In 1962, Wabash, seemingly tired of Alco's superchargers, traded in their 5 
ABA FA sets for 15 U25B's.  The FA's provided 15 pairs of trucks, which were 
then used on the u-boats.

Although each railroad did things differently, the following stats might be 
of some use.

Length - 60'2"
Width - 9'11"
Height - 14'7"

Wheels - 40" diamerer excluding flanges
          Alco FA trucks
          9'4" between axles
          Trucks 36'2" apart (center-to-center)
	  Trucks mounted with center 10'2 3/8" from end

Weight - 266760 lb

Minimum curve radius - 150'

Maximum permissible speed - 70 mph

Engine - V-16, cylinders 9" dia x 10 1/2" stroke, 4-cycle, Elliott 
            turbocharger
         2500 HP @1000rpm
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