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From: breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland)
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Organization: MCC
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:17:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.045508.22094@wixer.cactus.org> purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer) writes:
>
>For example, I'd like think that Joe wouldn't take the risks on FM2222
>if he weren't fully insured.

Insurance can't buy back a life.

>I'd like to think that the insurance lobby would quit lying to us about
>how they'll be able to lower rates if we pass a helmet law (or a
>seatbelt law, or...). Anyone else notice they keep raising rates within
>six months of getting one of these pieces of legislation passed?

Hey...how else are they going to pay the lobbyists (who pay the legislators)?


Mark A. Breland
breland@mcc.com  "...speaking only for myself, no others and vice versa etc..."
From: darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Auto mechanic reviews?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:01:03 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <lftmj3INNogp@boogie.cs.utexas.edu > swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
 >I recall that a while ago, some kind soul out in net.land compiled a
 >bunch of reviews of Austin-area auto mechanics.  Could someone email
 >me that file?

I would like a copy of this also.
Thanks,
Darren

Newsgroups: austin.general
From: kaushik@dvorak.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani)
Subject: Re: accepting risk
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:30:29 GMT

In article <2809@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter) writes:
>In article <1de3olINNagp@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>>And for a really big risk...  Eat barbecue!
>>
>>Really, after seeing the piece last night on 20/20 about Lion Foods, I
>>may have to turn into a vegetarian!!!  I was sick for about an hour
>>afterwords!
>>
>>Lance
>
>   I'm with you!  Remind me to never eat anything out of the supermarket
>   deli.  Especially the salads in the big bowls that look like they've
>   been sitting there for days, and the warm food like fried chicken
>   or barbecue.  The prepackaged meats seemed like a good place to
>   exercise risk management as well.  Looked like the only reasonably
>   safe thing is to have them cut you hunks of meat with a knife while
>   you watch.
>
>   -Bill Carter

I absolutely agree with you. My friend and I bought Barbecued Chicken from
the Tom Thumb Deli @ N.Lamar and Koenig for dinner a week or so ago. It
looked great but the next morning we were down with a bad stomach and
all the bad symptoms that go with it. As far as I am concerned, barbecued/
fried foods from supermarket delis are out.

-Kaushik Chhotani

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From: darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Where in Austin can I find some discount movie tickets?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 08:18:46 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

Hi, I would like to know where I can buy some of those discount movie
passes that cost around $4.00 or $4.25.  I would prefer a location
in south or sw Austin but if anyone knows of a north location I would like
to know that too.

Thanks,
Darren
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]For example, I'd like think that Joe wouldn't take the risks on FM2222
]]if he weren't fully insured.
]
]Insurance can't buy back a life.

which while true, has absolutly nothing to do with the intent of the
statment which was to respond to the "don't use my tax dollars to keep
you alive" comment a while back.

looks like this thread has about run it's course :-)

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:10:14 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <1992Nov5.150831.24700@hal.com> ables@hal.com (King Ables) writes:
>While I agree with the spirit of your statement, which is that the cure is
>sometimes as bad as the ailment, this particular comparison is kind of silly,
>don't you think?  I mean, if my choice is one of:
>
>	a) I won't ride a motorcycle and I'll be maimed
>	b) I won't ride a motorcycle and I'll *not* be maimed
>
>then I'm gonna pick b) every time.

YES!  Now you understand it.

I won't SCUBA dive and I'll not be maimed.
I won't rock climb and I'll not be maimed.
I won't ice skate and I'll not be maimed.
I won't snow ski and I'll not be maimed.
I won't hang Christman lights on the roof and I'll not be maimed.
I won't play touch football with the guys from the office ...
I won't do anything with any risk of physical injury, including
	- taking my kids hiking
	- teaching my kids to ride a bicycle
	- repairing the loose shingles on my house
	- building new cabinets for my wife
	- fixing the brakes on my car

You think this is a good idea.  I think it's as stupid as hell.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [  TSAKC  ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: ables@hal.com (King Ables)
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:08:31 GMT

From article <21813@rpp386.lonestar.org>, by jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II):
> 
> Think about it.  The danger behind not riding a motorcycle is that you
> might get maimed and no longer be able to ride a motorcycle.  So you just
> skip the maimed part and go straight to not riding the motorcycle.  This
> is supposed to be a smart idea ...

While I agree with the spirit of your statement, which is that the cure is
sometimes as bad as the ailment, this particular comparison is kind of silly,
don't you think?  I mean, if my choice is one of:

	a) I won't ride a motorcycle and I'll be maimed
	b) I won't ride a motorcycle and I'll *not* be maimed

then I'm gonna pick b) every time.

Yes, this is simplistic, too.  This whole discussion is pointless becuase
everyone's risk level is different.  Hell, I drive on 183 almost every
day, what does that say about *my* risk acceptance?  ;-)

If you are willing to take more risks than someone else, then enjoy the
fact that you will have more exhilarating experiences than some others.
But don't put them down for not caring about those particular experiences
enough to take the risk.  A long and healthy life is important to some,
too, and it's a perfectly reasonable thing for which to strive.  We don't
all have to be "pushing the envelope" in everything we do.
---------------------------------------------------------------
King Ables                    HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
ables@hal.com                 8920 Business Park Dr., Suite 300
+1 512 794 2855               Austin, TX  78759
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug."
				-- Dire Straits & Mary-Chapin Carpenter
From: lanceo@cs.utexas.edu (L. Lance Obermeyer)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 4 Nov 1992 22:43:43 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: priddy.cs.utexas.edu

My this has gotten nasty.

If I remember correctly, the current direction of this thread started 
when a person said they do not ride on 2222 because of the perceived risk.  
Then many people commented that a risk free life is a do nothing life.  

The poster already has a motorcycle, so the zero risk thing does not seem 
to be relevant.  What is relevant is that the poster has made a choice
between risk and return.  I don't see how anyone can criticize that
choice unless they know all of the facts influencing it.  Did the
poster just lose a frient to a mc accident?  Maybe just had a child?
Who knows.  I don't.  You don't either (except for the original poster,
of course).
 
Then the issue of taxes got thrown in.  If it offends you that some
tax dollars might be spent to help accident victims, well thats your
business.  But maybe it offends me that tax dollars are spent
on police or fire protection in your neighborhood, which is different
from mine.  Being angry at subsidizing someone else's lifestyle is
fine, but don't think for a minute the same can't be said about you.

So lets all step down from our soapboxes and let people make their
own choices about the level of risk they are willing to acccept in
their own personal lives.  Gosh.
From: ljane@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Linda Cast)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: homeless on street corners
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:44:33 GMT
Reply-To: ljane@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Linda Cast)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers; Austin TX
Originator: ljane@ocean


 The Salvation Army says that here in Austin their immediate need is warm
 bedding. Additionally, warm clothing, food, and supplies such as soap,
 would be welcome. We can take such things to them at 501 East
 8th street. Drive around back and leave them, or take them inside. They
 will give them out or you could.  
 
 This didn't answer the original question of how to respond to the person
 with the sign on the streetcorner. I'd be glad to read a knowledgeable
 response to that also.

 Linda 
-- 
Linda Cast             ljane@mpd.tandem.com
From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: homeless on street corners
Keywords: homeless
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:47:23 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

I'd like to request thoughts/suggestions on the homeless and
other people we see, more and more often, standing at street
corners in Austin, with signs that range from the heartbreaking
to the obviously exaggerated.  You know:  HOMELESS, WILL WORK
FOR FOOD, etc. etc.

I feel tremendously ambivalent about what to do when seeing
these people.  I hate the feeling I get when I ignore them; I
don't feel I can really help them.  I have sometimes given 
them small amounts of money, and most often have just tried 
not to look; I'm not in any position to give much.  And I'm 
afraid of: asking such a person to come work in my yard or home, 
since they're in such desperate straits and might through 
that same desperation rob or victimize me (note I said MIGHT, 
I know many of these are moral people but how on earth can you 
tell?!)  I'm also aware, through radio news commentators and 
some personal experience, that some of them are pure con 
artists, making good money standing at street corners in 
preference to getting a job.  But some of them even bring 
young children or babies to the street corner, arrrgh!  
And I know that many of them are truly in trouble.
Oh Lord, how can we let these babies sit out there in the sun 
or rain and not try to help?

A former pastor of mine used to tell me about people who
approach churches looking for help (happens a lot, I understand)
and that he would always try.  But he'd grown pretty cynical
about it all.  He said if they said they needed money for gas,
he'd go with them to the gas station and fill their tank;
usually it'd already be full.  Or buy them a bag of groceries.
Maybe that'd be a good thing, to buy a bag of groceries and
bring it back to them.  Would they appreciate it, would it
really be helpful?  Would that be a problem, to store/transport
the food to wherever they live?

Honestly, does anyone have suggestions on concrete, relatively
risk-free ways of really helping these people?  I mean, I
suppose you could stop and make suggestions to them, regarding
the Salvation Army or places to apply for work, but I'm afraid
there might be a negative, even possibly violent, reaction to
what might be perceived as condescending.  I'd love to hear some
ideas; I've heard enough negative stories.  I think we don't
want to see these people.  But I also think that turns us into 
something less, when we pass by without helping.  Ideas?
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato)
Subject: finding people
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:20:14 GMT




How would I go about finding the location/address/net address of some
people who may or may not be on the net?  How about organisations?

I'm looking to find someone who wrote a game for the now-defunct
Activision.  He wrote it back in 1986.  I have the writer's name,
the producer's name, and the name of the corporation that programmed
the game; I guess it was just marketted by Activision.

Anyhow, anyone with any ideas OR leads, please email me!  Thanks.



john

-- 
John P Onorato             |   "Softness without strength is weakness.
wizard@wixer.cactus.org    |    Strength without softness is meanness."
cactus.org!wixer!wizard    |             -- Mahatma Gandhi
From: root@moller3.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: TV repair shops?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:03:49 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <5643@tivoli.UUCP> steveb@tivoli.UUCP (Steve Benz) writes:
>Okay, okay.  So maybe I ignored the posts about repair shops thinking
>that I didn't need anything fixed...  So maybe the inevitable did happen
>and my Sony TV did go south.  So maybe it even decided to wait until the
>warranty expired before doing so.
>
>So maybe somebody could forward the recommended repair-shop list to me?
>
>Many thanks,
>				- Steve

I've had top-notch results from Circle Stereo on Burnet with a VCR.  They also
do TVs.




-- 
Chris Moller (moller@austin.ibm.com)

IBM pays absolutely no attention to my opinions, ergo the 
foregoing cannot possibly represent its position.
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:35:39 GMT

In article <5708@tivoli.UUCP> kneff@teton.NoSubdomain.NoDomain 
 (Ken Neff) writes: 

>Bad day, Lance?  Maybe you ought to reread Joe's posting.  The reprint he
>included says a lot.  Many of us can't imagine life without risks.  Most of
>us are also more than willing to take responsibility for our own behavior.
>I can't control, or predict, the behavior of the guy in the truck, but I
>refuse to live in fear of him.  I take what precautions I can, and I live
>with the risk.  If you live a risk-free life, are you really alive?

Life without risk is Disneyland.

(from some sig on rec.motorcycles)

--Jim, living outside Disneyland.
-- 
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
|  Julien Finaudere' du Main Pourpre         |  Jim Meyer DoD#680      |
|  Collegium Turris Animarum, Bryn Gwlad     |  purp@wixer.cactus.org  |
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: PUC: Caller ID illegal
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:34:42 GMT

[Reprinted from Wednesday, November 11th newspaper: Austin American Statesman]
[Business secion, D1]

By Diana Williams

PUC: Caller ID illegal
Residential use would violate wiretap laws

  Caller ID, a technology that can display the name and number of telephone
callers, is illegal for residential use in Texas, the Public Utility Commission
ruled Tuesday.

  The controversal service, proposed by Southwestern Bell in July, was planned
for the Austin area by late this year.  However, the commission contends that
the service violates Texas "trap and trace" laws.

  Southwestern Bell has not decided whether to revise and resubmit its
application, said Bob Digneo, a Southwestern Bell division manager.  He said 
the company now is looking at options, including revising the law through
the Legislature or taking the case to court.

  Caller ID works through a display screen that is hooked to a receiving
telephone.  The service shows a caller's telephone number and the name of
the individual or firm that the phone is listed under.

  Opponents of Caller ID say the technology invades phone customer's privacy.
Supporters say the device gives consumers greater control of their communic-
ation options.

  PUC Chairman Robert Gee and Commissioner Karl Rabago ruled to dismiss the
application, with Commissioner Marta Greytok dissenting without comment.

  However, the commission provided that Caller ID technology may have some
applications for business use.

  For example, businesses like pizza delivery companies could contend that 
Caller ID would help them verify orders, said Scott McCollough, an assistant
attorney general.

  "One could argue that Caller ID could be necessary to this sort of business,"
McCollough said.  "I think everyone sees that there could be some could uses
of it."

  Suzanne Donovan, former executive director of the American Civil Liberties
Union of Texas, applauded the ruling as an important step toward protecting
privacy rights of Texans.

-- 
| Lenny Tropiano           ICUS Software Systems        lenny@icus.ICUS.COM |
|               ...!{cs.utexas.edu,ames,pacbell}!icus!lenny                 |
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From: polekat@underg.ucf.org (Polekat)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Reminder:  EFF-Austin General Membership Meeting Saturday.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:12:14 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

 
          -------------------------------------------------
          |             EFF-Austin Announces              |
          |                                               |
          |         A General Membership Meeting          |
          |                                               |
          |            Saturday, November 14th            |
          |                2:00 - 5:00 p.m.               |
          |            Meeting Room, 4th Floor            |
          |       Austin Public Library, Main Branch      |
          |                 800 Guadalupe                 |
          |                                               |
          -------------------------------------------------
 
EFF-Austin, the local chapter of the Electronic Frontier 
Foundation, will be holding a general membership meeting on 
Saturday the 14th of November from 2 to 5 p.m. at the Austin Public 
Library (Main Branch) 800 Guadalupe.  This meeting will provide a 
chance for EFF-Austin members and anyone else to get updates from 
the officers, hear about what EFF-Austin has planned, and find out 
what they can do to get involved. More importantly, it will allow 
members and others to ask questions, make suggestions and voice any 
ideas in an interactive, real-time discussion about our growing 
organization. 
 
The meeting is open to the public. Everyone who is interested in 
EFF-Austin is welcome and encouraged to attend. For more info about 
EFF-Austin or the meeting, contact Ed Cavazos (email polekat@tic.com / 
voice 385-2789) or Jon Lebkowsky (email jonl@tic.com)
 
At 4:00, the meeting will be turned over to representatives of various 
groups who are currently planning and discussing public-access internet 
services for the Austin Community.  EFF-Austin has been watching with 
interest as various plans have developed, and is excited to be 
able to provide a forum for the discussion and presentation of them.  
This part of the meeting promises to be lively and informative. For more 
information about the public-access internet portion of the meeting, 
contact Max Cray (email max@underg.ucf.org / voice 339-2724. Ask for 
Chris).                                            
 
See you on the 14th!

--
polekat@underg.ucf.org (Polekat)
From: kamal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (KaMaL)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: InvEstMenT GrOuP or cLuB ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:44:19 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Hello World,

If there is any investment club or group in U.T. Austin, or Austin, and
if you know about it, could you please foward me a reference or contact 
information, to the address below.

Much Obliged,

KaMaL


Internet: kamal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Phone: 512 451 0963
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:23:28 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov6.161724.17638@mcc.com> breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland) writes:
>
>Insurance can't buy back a life.

Seems to me Joe can risk his own life if he wants to.

-- 
Ray Shea                               I woke up this morning,
UniSQL, Inc.                           all my shrimps was dead and gone...
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu       
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:48:04 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <lfh9jvINNjde@priddy.cs.utexas.edu> lanceo@cs.utexas.edu (L. Lance Obermeyer) writes:
>My this has gotten nasty.

Oh, yeah?  Says who, buddy?

>If I remember correctly, the current direction of this thread started 
>when a person said they do not ride on 2222 because of the perceived risk.  
>Then many people commented that a risk free life is a do nothing life.  

My slant on this is:  if you need risks to validate your existence, then
there's probably something wrong with the way you perceive yourself.

>So lets all step down from our soapboxes and let people make their
>own choices about the level of risk they are willing to acccept in
>their own personal lives.  Gosh.

And my slant on *this* is:  everyone should be able to make their own
minds up about the level of risk they wish to except.  However, I think
that some people don't take into account how they are affecting someone
else's level of safety when theirs is lower.  Thus, I am glad of the
speed traps, since I don't want to be going west down 2222 towards 360
when someone comes around the corner out of control.  Not only have
they screwed up their own life (their choice, of course), but they stand
a very good chance of screwing up mine right along with it.  This is
where I take exception to the whole "risk" thing.

If you want risks, go bungee jumping, or ice climbing, or something --
don't take them where you can drag others along with you when you crash
and burn.  A car is not someplace to reaffirm your life force.

Daniel Welch
----
Two men say they're Jesus -- one of 'em must be wrong!
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