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From: gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:21:43 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:


>What we don't deserve is assholes like you.  Why don't you crawl back
>into the hole you came out of?  Michigan is still undefeated in the
>wimpy ten.  Can Illinois say the same?  What a dickhead.

Actually, what we don't deserve is assholes like Michigan's coach who wouldn't
even shake the hand of Northwestern's coach.  Not only can't he count, but
he's a jerk as well.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:06:52 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <lgi4apINNgvf@earth.cs.utexas.edu> ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.225317.14349@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>
>>>	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?
>>
>>Oops! I though for sure I remembered to mention that in my list of reason
>>Baylor could very well ruin Texas's season this Saturday. It is Grant
>>Teaff's last game, and is AT BAYLOR. The fans will be beserk (well, as
>>beserk as a bunch a students at a school that doesn't even allow dancing
>>on campus can get! ;-) )
>>
>>Jay
>>-- 
>
>Jay, seems to me that when I went to the Baylor-Texas game in Waco in 1990, 
>there were more Texas fans than Baylor fans.  In fact I believe that is the 
>case in all our conference away games except a&m.  If this continues to be
>the case this year ( and it might since this game means something for Texas
>other than just pride) then I don't think the Baylor fans can have that 
>much of an impact.
>

   The problems Texas has had at Waco seem to have nothing to do with
   the crowd there. Somehow, that field seem to be very hostile to the
   Texas team. The field is small with people sitting 5 feet from the
   edge. May be Texas likes larger fields ?..  The conditions seem to
   be miserable somehow. I remember the 1988 game (you know.. the 
   MuffWilliams-Metcalf days..), when the temperature was like 35 degrees 
   and the lights were on at 1.30 in the afternoon with some drizzle.
   (Yes, I was there.. Had to change a flat tire in the rain to get there !)
   In 1988, there were strong winds (Remember the desparation field
   goal that somehow went in for Pollack, to preserve the unbeaten SWC
   record for UT ?). Why does that place become miserable whenever Texas
   goes there, I dont know...  What is the weather prediction for this
   weekend ?

   Is this game going to be the SWC game of the week on Raycom (?). Prime
   ticket is going to show that game at 10am on Saturday here in California.
   Does anyone know, if it is going to be the game ?

   Jay   (The one from California..)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.193244.61537@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.214321.26799@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.181537.1824@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>
>>>Miami can and SHOULD avoid this rematch -- as you said, very little to
>>>gain, and a LOT to lose... sorry, FSU you had a shot.
>>>
>>>PS: I am NOT a Miami fine, and last year blasted them for ducking
>>>Florida (no question they did!), but this year I think they are
>>>entitled to avoid FSU (if the coalition rules allow it) as they
>>>already trounced them.
>>         ^^^^^^^^
>>TROUNCED? I believe the phrase you were groping for here is "squeaked by
>>on a missed field goal"
>>
>>r
>>
>
>Depends on how you look at it..  Miami held FSU to it's worst offensive 
>outing of the year.  And, though many people like to talk about that 
>missed FG, remember that the missed FG amounted to nothing more than
>FSU having a chance to TIE the game, not win it.  
>

If I remember correctly Florida State missed atleast three very
makeable field goals during that game.  And a trouncing is not a
victory by 3 points.  Miami has got to be one of the luckiest teams
in the country.

ScoTT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Big Eight review of Preview(11-17)
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:33:51 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


Sat(11-14)	results		my	marsee	gupta	schmidt	Sagarin	nat
CU @ KU		25-18c		3k	8k	1c	3k	even	3c
NU @ ISU	19-10is		31n	28n	30n	22n	27n	28n
KSU @ MU	27-14m		3ks	7m	4ks	2m	5m	4m
OU @ OSU	15-15tie	7o	6o	3o	5o	11o	14o


PICKS/vs SPREAD
	this week	overall
Mine	0-3-1/0-4	39-14-2/16-24-1
MARSEE	1-2-1/1-3	30-13-2/18-27
Gupta	1-2-1/1-3	35-9-2/26-20
Schmidt	1-2-1/1-3	40-10-2/25-23-2
Sagarin	1-1-1/1-2	28-12-2/20-21-1
Nation	2-1-1/2-2	30-9-2/22-17-2
             
Mine
CU @ KU.....well, Neb blew both these teams away.  Last week CU hung
	onto the ball for a first all season.  If CU can keep the ball
	without giving it away, then they should win by 10.  But I
	doubt they will.  KU by 17-14.
NU @ ISU....a rest for the Huskers before going to Norman on Turkey
	Friday.  But the Clones are no pushover in Ames.  Huskers
	will rumble.  NU by 52-21.
KSU @ MU.....Sheesh.  KSU is still looking for a QB, while MU is
	looking for a DivIA and conf win.  I have trouble believing
	in either team.  A root from the heart...KSU by 31-28
OU @ OSU.....State of Oklahoma pride.  Sooners have found a new
	offense from the past.  OSU has played most folks tough
	lately.  A good chance for a Poke win, but OU 31-24.

Marsee's(place,rate)
CU	22-671			KU	16-692
NU	 1-937			ISU	54-543
KSU	70-493			MU	69-496
OU	27-646			OSU	67-498

GUPTA's picks(place,rate,score)
CU	18-256.90		KU	21-251.21	28-27 CU
NU	 1-311.36		ISU	84-160.93	46-16 NU
KSU	65-187.86		MU	96-138.05	24-20 KSU
OU	38-219.00		OSU	78-174.10	24-21 OSU

Schmidt's picks(place,pts,str)
CU	18-80.684-72.411	KU	19-80.514-72.416
NU	 2-94.941-77.396	ISU	59-69.730-70.567
KSU	71-67.719-68.558	MU	77-66.749-73.817
OU	32-76.112-71.714	OSU	69-68.103-73.616

Sagarin(team,place,rate,sch.str;opp,place,rate,sch.str)
CU	13-84.77-74.77		KU	22-81.86-73.38
NU	 1-99.36-76.25		ISU	74-69.47-69.60
KSU	81-68.10-69.57		MU	66-70.26-78.80
OU	21-82.05-71.78		OSU	78-68.49-76.87

	conf		overall	
NU      4-2-0           7-2-0
CU      4-1-1           8-1-1
KU      4-2-0           7-3-0
OU      3-1-2           5-3-2
OSU     2-3-1           4-5-1
ISU     2-4-0           4-6-0
KSU     1-4-0           4-5-0
MU      1-5-0           2-8-0

TV games are CST.
PrimeNetwork....B8 games at midnight Sat and 6pm Sunday.  All 8
	coaches show starting at 3pm Wed.
KCNC, Denver affiliate NBC, is carrying other CU games.

	
Sat(11-21)
	ISU @ CU
	KU @ MU		 1:00pm
	KSU @ OSU	 1:10pm
Fri(11-27)
	NU @ OU		12:30pm ABC

Sat(12-5)
	KSU v NU(Toyko)  9:00pm
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Pageantry (was: Re: Michigan - National Championship - Not ...)
Followup-To: rec.sport.pageantry
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:36:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.184437.17222@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>The Rose Bowl *STILL* ranks as the premier Bowl Game on New Year's Day,
>if you look at Pageantry, excitement and school payout.  No other Bowl
>game really comes close in terms of money.

Yep, Pageantry and Payout are why I like to watch college football.
That, and the excitement of a sure loss by Big Midwest U. :-(

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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UGA's Fight Song (was Re: Fight songs)
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00523-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu




  I, as an NCSU fan and student, find that a little too malicious for my
 tastes. I only hope that Georgia fans are not total scum. I really want to
 play Nebraska... I could have fun then! I never could relate to Southern
 football fans... to mild for my tastes in the stands, and too obnoxious
 after the game. What you need to do is be raucous and rabid in the stands,
 and be civil after the game. This comes after dealing with Virginia, ECU,
 and South Carolina fans. The fans that are the major exception: Clemson,
 Gerogia Tech, Wake Forest, and Duke. Anyway, until I run into a lot of
 Georgia fans who stoop to the level of UVA, ECU and USC, I cannot say anything
 bad about them!! :)
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Projected bowl matchups
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:13:57 GMT

In article <Nov.18.14.45.01.1992.7251@charon.rutgers.edu>, subhas@charon.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury) writes:
|> 
|>    BOWL                 TEAM       vs.       TEAM
|> 
|> 6. Independence   Wake Forest *    vs.     Rutgers
|>                   (At large)             (At large)
|> 
|> * - Confirmed and accepted their bids
|> 
|> Any comments welcome.

The latest news on RU's chances for a bowl don't look as good as
I previously thought for you guys.  The Independence Bowl is currently
looking at:

Wisconsin     (5-5)
Rice          (5-4)
Oregon        (5-5)
Southern Miss (7-4)
Memphis St.   (5-5) 
Rutgers       (6-4)

(Illinois and Mich. St. were also mentioned, but Randy's info concerning
the Holiday Bowl has cleared up what will happen to the winner of that
game this weekend)

My paper today reports that even if most of the 5-win teams listed above 
lose out or win and go to other bowls, then the Independence Bowl could 
then opt to use its safety valve: 

regional Southern Miss, which has already qualified with 6 1-A victories.

As much as Coach Graber has been promoting the TV market in NJ, the 
fan support (people willing to travel to see the game) is really what 
the Independence Bowl people are looking for.

RU still has a shot, but it looks like a long one.  I'm sure the
Independence Bowl people will be at least looking to see how many 
RU fans drive the hour down to Philly to attend this Saturday's
Temple game at the Vet.  A low RU turnout would definately bury any 
hopes you might have for seeing your team go to this bowl.  

|> Subhasish Roy

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:22:31 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.155558.1175@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.151455.5658@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu  
> (Stupendous Man) writes:
> 
>> > But it is the "Thrifty" Holiday Bowl, so maybe the
>> > Hawkeyes will line their pockets...I'm sure the
>> > Big-10 will make them go if all other Big-10 teams
>> > that are elgible to bowl go somewhere else.
>> 
>> The Big-10 has no say.  OSU stated flately that there would be no bowl
>> games when they fired Bruce, even though OSU won to go 6-4-1.
> 
> But did the Big-10 have an agreement with a bowl guaranteeing them
> the third place team?  I think not.  

	Schools can always say "no".  Didn't a Big Ten team refuse to go to the
Rose Bowl one year?  (Another team went...) Or am I deluded on this one?

Brett
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov17.193346.16566
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
>kevins@netcom.com (Kevin Schraith) writes:
>>Ummm... I admit I may have started this slew of Illinois woofing with by
>>jokingly predicting a win which almost happened and then gloating about it,
>>but my conscience forces me to do this.
>
>it was the boldest prediction I have seen in a long time that
>*almost* came true.  congrats.

Hey.. was it bolder than my long standing prediction that Arizona would
beat Washington???  My prediction came true :-)
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From: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Michigan - National Championship - Not with Moeller
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:52:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu


In article <BxtCDL.37M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones) writes:
> As a UM alumnus, I was very disheartened to hear Gary Moeller say that 
> guaranteeing a spot in the Rose Bowl was more important than having a chance to 
> win the National Championship. With an attitude like that he'll never win one. 
> How is he going to sell recruits on coming to Michigan with a goal of going to 
> the Rose Bowl when other coaches are talking about winning the National 
> Championship. This was the second tie he was happy to take this year. Lest we 
> forget he was running down the sidelines waving his arms at the officials to 
> start the clock after the penalty against ND rather than using his timeouts to 
> try and stop ND deep in their territory and try to win on a field goal. Worst 
> of all, had they tried to win Saturday and come up short, the Rose Bowl was 
> still available to them. Or doesn't he think that Michigan can beat OSU?
> 
> Hail to those who tie. Gary you're going to make people forget about Pat Dye.

	Although I don't like the tie.  I think Moeller did make the
right decision under the circumstance.  The team was struggling.  If they
had gone for the win and not make it.  They would have to go to OSU in order
to get the ROSE BOWL bid.  And that is always a pretty tough game with the
way the Michigan is playing, they might not even make it to the ROSE BOWL had
this happened.  

	$Cool 6 Mil$ is not bad.  And with a name like Michigan, recruiting
is not going to be affected anytime soon.  I think it is more of a business
decision than anything else.  Being from Michigan you know how $$$ is more
important than Nat Champ.  As far as Athletic DEPT. is concerned Nat Champ
is no big deal as long as they have $$$ to support the rest of other sports.
It is quite consistent with the programs philosophy.

- Chung Yang
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: First round surprise (prediction)
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:58:25 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	Yet Another way-out on the limb prediction:

	Kirk Herbstreit will go in the first round of the college draft. 
(Methinks either Philadelphia or Chicago are likely selectors.)

	If Tovar also goesin the first round, it will be a coup for Cooper's
recruiting.  I was a doubting Brett about Cooper's picks, but they do seem to
be performing as advertised.

	Hoying really has a shot at becoming the OSU career leader in many
passing categories.

	In other Buckeye QB news, former QB Kent Graham has played pretty well
for the NY Giants.  Last I heard he was languishing in the Ohio Glory #3 spot. 
(Or was that Frey?)

	Anyway, I think Kirk is NFL bound.  He's got what it takes to be a team
leader.  (Was anyone else giving Kirk a standing ovation for that fake he
pulled *with his back to the Michigan pursuit*?!)

	Damn, it's good to have a real QB at OSU again!

Brett
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:58:54 GMT

>
>Any chance of Rice going to a bowl this year?
>
>					-Mike Traynor

Rice has to beat Navy and Houston to go to a bowl.  I would like to see
them get the new Alamo Bowl.  That would be good for their fans, they
would probably pack that place in.  I don't think any other bowls are
considering them.  

A good matchup of long-time roadkills would be Wake Forest/Rice in the
Independence Bowl.  At least one of them would get a win in a bowl game.

cmuck
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Keywords: nnn
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:01:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Nov18.161927.12363@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>>
>>>After thinking about it....  I think Texas played a IAA team, UNT...
>>>Although I beleive they have/are petitioning to move to IA.  Get a
>>>real schdule 'sips...  :-)
>>       ^^^^
>>Since a sooner corrected me, it's time to correct the aggie:
>>schedule
>>
>>Real schedule???
>>Miss. State dosen't count?
>>@ Syracuse    "       "
>>ou            "       "
>>I'm willing to bet that UNT was scheduled because of Arkansas leaving and
>>perhaps a quality opponent not being available at such short notice.
>>
>>Oh, I forgot, you guys played Stanford and um, um, um........
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>
>then explain why UNT was on your schedule still contained Arkansas?
>Remember the year they almost beat you?

As you might know, North Texas State University was at one time attempting
to push its way into the SWC.  It was a plain old second-tier Division I
program (Mean Joe Greene played there, but they didn't play Texas in that
period) trying to get respectable (they didn't quite make it).  Texas has
played against North Texas (either as NTSU or UNT) 6 times (in 76, 78, 81, 83,
88, and 92), winning each time (close in 88).  I expect that UNT is easy to
schedule because they like the money.
>
>cmuck <- I like ribbing these guys...  pretty soon he will start 
>         talking about the good ole days..  :-)
>

Don't want to disappoint. :-) so,....

Hey!  No fair invoking tradition only if it's in your favor!  We'll always
remind you of Texas's superior all-time record any time you get too cocky
about your recent achievements.  Don't worry about it....

Texas' record against A&M: 64-29-4.

There. :-)
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From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:31 GMT



 mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:

>      A SWC lesson from a BIG 8 member:
>
>      tu- texas university
>      UT- University of Tennessee

    It's pretty sad when a sooner has to take an old, worn out, aggie
    cliche and try to use it to insult a fan of The University of Texas.
    Whenever you guys have a season where you can snap the four year streak
    and not tie OSU, then you can talk.  Oh well, at least basketball season
    is about to begin, ou has a fairly decent team, right???

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