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From: klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Mail Response Program
Organization: Lugroid Enterprises
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:48:41 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

beck@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Jon Beck) writes:
: I'm looking for a program for VMS which will automatically generate a
: response, when I want it to, to mail which has been received by my
: account. Something like "I received you message with subject xxx. I'm
: away from my desk right now and will respond later today."
: 
: I'm interested in something something that doesn't need major system
: privileges. I'm sure that somewhere in some decus archive or something
: there must be just what I want, but I'm really out of touch on what's
: available for VMS systems.
: 

I too am looking for something like this.

A couple of months ago I received a reply from a product like this. It was
called MAIL_WATCH (or WATCH_MAIL). All I know about it is it is running on
an All-in-1 machine at Customer Support at DEC in Maynard. I asked for some
info from my contact, but have not heard back yet.

Keith.
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From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Mail Response Program
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:47:05 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <9210031448.33@klnet.UUCP>, klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt) writes:
> A couple of months ago I received a reply from a product like this. It was
> called MAIL_WATCH (or WATCH_MAIL). All I know about it is it is running on
> an All-in-1 machine at Customer Support at DEC in Maynard. I asked for some
> info from my contact, but have not heard back yet.

WatchMail is a way cool piece of DCL written (and maintained) by a buddy
of mine, Dan Schullman, at DEC.  It has never, to the best of my
knowledge, been released into the public domain.  I have a copy of it,
but only on the condition that I not release it.  If you want to get a
copy from him, last I heard he was reachable at:

        schullman@aqua.enet.dec.com

Maybe if enough people ask, he'll release it into the public domain.
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267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
From: munz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Munz)
Subject: vms batch job: kermit problems
Keywords: vms,batch,kermit,problem
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:30:36 GMT



Hello!

A friend of mine just asked me to post this article for him:

He's using a mircovax with vms and kermit protocol to transfer
data via modem. According to him there's no problem with autodial
in interactive mode, but he doesn't succeed doing it as a batch
job.

Any suggestions are appreciated. If you've been disussing this for
years - I am sorry, because I am new in this group...

thank you very much in advance,

frank


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From: beck@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Jon Beck)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Mail Response Program
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:31:50 GMT
Organization: WVU Statistics and Computer Science

I'm looking for a program for VMS which will automatically generate a
response, when I want it to, to mail which has been received by my
account. Something like "I received you message with subject xxx. I'm
away from my desk right now and will respond later today."

I'm interested in something something that doesn't need major system
privileges. I'm sure that somewhere in some decus archive or something
there must be just what I want, but I'm really out of touch on what's
available for VMS systems.

Any leads are appreciated.
-- 
Jon Beck, SoRReL Project GRA
West Virginia University, Stat & CS
beck@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Passing args to C programs
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 08:19:14 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In the C code, everything is the same. However, you have to define a foreign
command symbol for your program. For instance, if your executable is
dua0:[foo]test.exe, enter

foo :== $dua0:[foo]test.exe

You can then run your program as:

foo arg1 arg2

and the command line arguments will be passed through argc and argv as usual.

A few notes:

1) Note the "$" at the beginning of the file spec, it's required. Also, the
filespec will default to looking in sys$system for the executable so be sure to
use a fully qualified file name (i.e. include the device and directory or some
logical name that points to the device and directory.

2) DCL normally forces all unquoted arguments to upper case. The C run-time
library counters this by forcing them all to lower case. If you want an argument
to be passed in upper or mixed case, you have to quote it, as in:

foo "-AaBb" arg1 Arg2 ARG3 "Arg4"

In the above, the options string and Arg4 will get through in mixed case, args
1-3 will all be lower case. And don't try the short cut of quoting all the args
with one set of quotes, because that will make the whole quoted string one
argument.

3) argv[0] is NOT the command typed to run the program, it is the whole fully
qualified file name. This can mess up the way most unix programs print their
error messages. Of course, your program can do something like:

#ifdef VMS
argv[0] = "foo"
#endif

to get around this.

Obtw, yes this is the right group for this type of question.
--
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(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Dumb DECWindows Debugger Question.
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:14:25 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

I'm stumped.  I'm trying to get the DECWindows Debugger to come up from another
account (other than my primary one).  I have security set as follows:

DECNET HULK SYSTEM
DECNET HULK MUNROE
DECNET HULK DMC$INFO
DECNET HULK NEWSMGR

When ever I attempt to run a debugging session from NEWSMGR I get:

$ run/debug user1:[munroe.toolshed.news-to-notes.exe]out-to-isvnet.exe
XIO:  unable to open connection WSA1:
      after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
%XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error
-DECW-E-CNXABORT, connection aborted
%DEBUG-F-FAILXTINIT, the debugger detected an error when trying to connect to
the DECWindow software.
-DEBUG-F-FATALSTATUS, a fatal condition was detected by the debugger.
%DEBUG-F-INITERR, an error has occurred during debugger initialization, unable
to continue this session.

Which I have always associated with a security problem.

The debugging logicals defined for the account are:

$ SHO LOG DBG*

(LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)

(LNM$JOB_807A4C80)

(LNM$GROUP_000201)

(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

  "DBG$INPUT" = "SYS$INPUT:"
  "DBG$OUTPUT" = "SYS$OUTPUT:"

(DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)

I've poured over TFM and tried various things like the following:

$ set display/create
$ set display/node=hulk
$ run/debug user1:[munroe.toolshed.news-to-notes.exe]out-to-isvnet.exe
Xlib:  connection to "HULK::0.0" refused by server
Xlib:  Client is not authorized to access server
X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display
%DWT-F-DWTABORT, xtoolkit fatal error
%DEBUG-F-FAILXTINIT, the debugger detected an error when trying to connect to
the DECWindow software.
-DEBUG-F-FATALSTATUS, a fatal condition was detected by the debugger.
%DEBUG-F-INITERR, an error has occurred during debugger initialization, unable
to continue this session.

Which would seem to indicate a security problem, which gets back to the setting
of the security information, which looks good to me.  Where is the DECWindows
security data base kept?

Can someone explain what's going on here?  I know I've done this before but I
simply CAN'T remember how right now.
-- 
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
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From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Please don't post system management questions to vmsnet.admin
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:44:44 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <2q_pjl-.rbp@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
> tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>>vmsnet.admin is for the administration of the VMSnet newsgroups. It is not an
>>appropriate forum for system management related questions. This is a mistake
>>that has been occurring quite a bit lately, so I thought it would be appropriate
>>to point it out. Within VMSnet, vmsnet.sysmgt is the proper group for such
>>discussions.
> 
> oh, terry , stop being such a net.nazi.  didn't your mama tell you you 
> would catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?  if you want to be
> the moderator of all of vmsnet, you'll have to supply a CFV.
> 
>>(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
> -- 
> --- bob pasker
> ---- rbp@netcom.com

You're *way* out of line here Bob.  VMSnet exists because of Terry's efforts,
not yours or mine.  Terry is to the vmsnet hierarchy what David Lawrence is to
the comp hierarchy and is responsible for the newgroups and the status of all
groups in vmsnet.  If he chooses to issue a change to vmsnet.admin that made it
moderated, I would honor it.

His posting was simply a reminder to tell people what the appropriate group is. 

-- 
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From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb DECWindows Debugger Question.
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:59:38 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep29.115928.4593@dmc.com>, munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe) writes:
>>>I'm stumped.  I'm trying to get the DECWindows Debugger to come up from another
>>>account (other than my primary one).  I have security set as follows:
>>>
>>>DECNET HULK SYSTEM
>>>DECNET HULK MUNROE
>>>DECNET HULK DMC$INFO
>>>DECNET HULK NEWSMGR

Since HULK was also the node where he was running the programs, you
can't use the node name for some reason.  It should work just fine
if you use zero for the system (works for my VAXstation):

DECNET 0 SYSTEM
DECNET 0 MUNROE
DECNET 0 DMC$INFO
DECNET 0 NEWSMGR

--
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Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
From: rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Russ Hill)
Subject: WANTED: login.com with unix commands aliased
Organization: NASA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:34:22 GMT


I need a login.com with the standard unix commands aliased into
vms commands.
sorry if this is a FAQ.

please respond with email.
Russ

-- 

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rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
(407) 633-3950
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
From: bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling)
Subject: Passing args to C programs
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:43:01 GMT

This may be the wrong place, but can someone please
tell me, how can I pass command-line arguments to
a C program.  I know how to do it in Unix, or Ultrix,
but not VMS.

Thanks in anticipation

Ben
From: cts@dragon.com (Charles T. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,comp.os.decus
Subject: DECUServe revisited
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:16:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited


An open note to Jeff Killeen:

If you'll recall from our discussion on the net some time back, I said I
would spend some time finding out what DECUServe was today.  I've read
a lot, especally in the DECUSERVE_FORUM, DECUSERVE_INFORMATION, SOAPBOX,
SHOP_TALK, NEW_CONFERENCE_IDEAS, and the recent thread in Security.  

You were right;  things have "loosened up" quite a bit;  looking back
over some of the stuff I questioned, it appears that these may well have
been "first time" issues that were reacted to;  the second time the 
something similar occured, the actions were more thought out and
measured.

There is still have a slight discomfort over where some of the lines are
drawn, such as in the HOBBIES notefile, where a message was hidden
for a word that Time or Newsweek would have published without a second
thought.  Still, even in society at large, these things are based on
community standards, and because the DECUServe in some ways has standards
that are higher than mine (or national news rags :-), this does not
mean that DECUServe does not accomplish it's primary mission.

The recent debate over the news gateway has stressed how important this
culture is to a lot of the membership, and indeed, without a lot of these
folks, there wouldn't be anything to gateway.

So, I'll conceed, you were right.  DECUServe has changed and grown, and
a few less-than-perfect episodes were just that - relatively isolated.
There are elements that I still find slightly frustrating - I tend to
favour somewhat looser rules on speech, and draw the line more liberally
on what words are out of bound (especally in a HOBBIES file);  however,
these tighter restrictions may have contributed to the overall success,
and as such, I can live with them, as I'm sure a lot of others manage
to live with their individual nits.
From: ault@cco.caltech.edu (Richard Ault)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
Subject: How do quotas and resource IDs work?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 20:29:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Summary: How can I charge resources to a "resource ID"?
Keywords: diskquota

I am attempting to set up a system in which the sum of the overdrafts for a
group of users is considerably larger than the total disk space I want to 
allow that group to use.  I had hoped to do this by setting up an ID with 
resource attribute and granting that ID to the memebers of the group and 
then, depending on how things worked, either use it as a single "pooled 
quota" for overdrafts or as limit on the sum of the overdrafts in use by
the group of users.  As it is, I can't get anything to charge to the 
resource ID and it seems to have no effect on the users' quotas.  I would 
LOVE to RTFM, but all I can find in the index is the SYSMAN description and 
the nearly useless chapter 5 in the "Guide to Maintaining a VMS system".

Any help/enlightenment would be appreciated.

Richard Ault <ault@queens.edu>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
From: ve2ura@uuisis.isis.org (Douglas Murray)
Subject: Using Sony 8mm video cartriges vs Exabyte's
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:08:49 GMT

Hi,

I would like to know if anyone has had experience (good or bad) in using 
some other make of 8mm instead of the Exabyte ones.  I am planning a bulk 
purchase of about 500 tapes and although I could by something like one of 
each, I would still be curious about anyones findings on this.

Thank you,

Doug!
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt,vmsnet.misc
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Please don't post system management questions to vmsnet.admin
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<jerry.09xc@marin.uucp>
	<zp+p5jc.rbp@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:44:13 GMT

In article <zp+p5jc.rbp@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
   terry, it seems your sycophants have voted you emperor of vmsnet
   again, so i guess my comments were out of line.  i sure hope you have
   a successor picked, we can't have these guys wandering aimlessly
   around the net looking for a new net.god.

Again, the conspicuous lack of smileys.  And I'm not adding any.

I notice he's at the same site as rdc (Roger or Rachel or whoever it
is this week).
--
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    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
From: Jeff E Mandel <mandel@tmc.tulane.edu>
Subject: Re: Using Sony 8mm video cartriges vs Exabyte's
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EF9AC50B013009@mandel.anes.tulane.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:56:21 GMT
Organization: Tulane University School of Medicine
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:56:17 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10553]: mandel.anes.tulane.edu

In article <0sBuRB1w164w@uuisis.isis.org> Douglas Murray,
ve2ura@uuisis.isis.org writes:
>I would like to know if anyone has had experience (good or bad) in using 
>some other make of 8mm instead of the Exabyte ones.  I am planning a
bulk 
>purchase of about 500 tapes and although I could by something like one
of 
>each, I would still be curious about anyones findings on this.

I used Sony consumer tapes for two years, and thought everything was
fine, then the unit slowly started accumulating errors. I sent it in for
service, and the heads were badly scummed. I have been using Exabyte
tapes since, and using an Exabyte head cleaning tape periodically. I'm
not sure that this will keep me from having the problem again in 2 years,
but since service is expensive and inconvenient, I'd recommend the
Exabyte.

Jeff E Mandel MD MS
Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
Tulane University School of Medicine
New Orleans, LA

mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu
From: andre@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
Subject: Re: Using Sony 8mm video cartriges vs Exabyte's
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:49:27 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

In article <0sBuRB1w164w@uuisis.isis.org>, ve2ura@uuisis.isis.org (Douglas Murray) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to know if anyone has had experience (good or bad) in using 
> some other make of 8mm instead of the Exabyte ones.  I am planning a bulk 
> purchase of about 500 tapes and although I could by something like one of 
> each, I would still be curious about anyones findings on this.

Hi,
	I use good quality 8mm video tapes without a problem.
I use the `Fugi Extraslim 8mm MEATAL MP' tapes.
I can find them for under $8.00 at most stores.

	This is the primary reason I love this tape drive.
2.5 GigaBytes of Archive for $8.00!

-- 
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
From: klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Using Sony 8mm video cartriges vs Exabytes
Organization: Lugroid Enterprises
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:11:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ve2ura@uuisis.isis.org (Douglas Murray) writes:
: Hi,
: 
: I would like to know if anyone has had experience (good or bad) in using 
: some other make of 8mm instead of the Exabyte ones.  I am planning a bulk 
: purchase of about 500 tapes and although I could by something like one of 
: each, I would still be curious about anyones findings on this.
: 
: Thank you,
: 
: Doug!

On the whole they seem to be ok, but we have recently dumped all the SONY's
as we had a few occurrences of tapes being bad on restores. We have had no
similar problems with the genuine articles.

Keith.
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r-node.gts.org!klovatt@klnet	|	Phone: +1 416 293 0292
doe.utoronto.ca!klovatt@klnet	|    "You can never find a Lugroid
klovatt@terranet.cts.com	|	when you really need one"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.sysmgt
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Using Sony 8mm video cartriges vs Exabyte's
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.225617.16238@cs.tulane.edu> Jeff E Mandel <mandel@tmc.tulane.edu> writes:

   I used Sony consumer tapes for two years, and thought everything was
   fine, then the unit slowly started accumulating errors. I sent it in for
   service, and the heads were badly scummed. I have been using Exabyte
   tapes since, and using an Exabyte head cleaning tape periodically. I'm
   not sure that this will keep me from having the problem again in 2 years,
   but since service is expensive and inconvenient, I'd recommend the
   Exabyte.

You do need to clean the head periodically (I think Exabyte recommends
once/month or 30 GB) regardless of what tape you use.
--
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    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.employment,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered.entry
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix
Subject: Re: VMS Posix and DECwindows "observation"
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:11:04 GMT
Followup-To: vmsnet.vms-posix
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <97637@bu.edu>, TEWKSBURY@BUDSGA.BU.EDU (Chip Tewksbury) writes:
> 
> On a system with DECwindows (Motif Vx.y) and VMS Posix V1.x, if you do the
> following from DCL:
> 
> 	$ POSIX <CR>
> 	^T ^T		!  That's a couple of control-t's immediately after 
> 			!  you hit Return.
> 
> You'll be dumped into a VMS login which will be attached to a DECwindows FTA
> device.
> 
> The CSC is reporting my "observation" to engineering.  :-)

  I can get that by typing in a Motif DECterm window before the DECterm is
completely initialized. It's a generalized timing bug. Perhaps someone should
tell the job controller to ignore requests from FTA's? Or would that break
something else?

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: vmsnet.vms-posix