HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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Date: 15 Apr 92 12:07:44

In article <1992Apr14.214757.7095@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>   According to maps in two books I have in front of me, Jaffa/Tel Aviv
>   were clearly within the domain of the Jewish State, as defined by the
>   1947 UN proposal.  The Jewish Agency's 1946 proposal did offer a
>   corridor from the inland Arab State to the coast at Jaffa, but this was
>   not included in the UN plan.  See, for example, Michael Cohen's The
>   Origins and Evolution of the Arab-Zionist Conflict, p. 128, map 5.

Yes, Jaffa was in the Jewish partition in the original UN proposal,
but was clearly put in the Arab partition during subsequent UN
negotiations.  (I think that these were in September 1947 or so.)
This was discussed recently on the net.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: rick@clark.edu (Rick Randall)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Civil War in Yugoslavia
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:10:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Apr7.181009.10428
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA


What is current situation in Bosanski Brod?
Are there any incidences happen in Rijeka's region, particularly in Opatija    
and Crikvenica?
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Don't Sleep too Comfortably (was: IHR Scores Stunning Victory ...)
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:42:14 GMT


>For all of you anti-Semities and/or Israel bashers reading this who
                                     ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>are gloating "Boy, those damn Jews are sure getting theirs now" (as if
>we are, but that's another story), just remember, the neo-Nazis do
>not discriminate.  Today their target are the Jews; tomorrow, it's
>your non-white/non-Protestant ethnic/religious group.
>-- 
>Stan Krieger 

Hey, Stan, let's stick to the subject.  It's entirely possible to
criticize Israeli foreign and domestic policy without being an
anti-Semite.  Please do not lump the two together. 

--Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) 
"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
                                    --Thomas Jefferson
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From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:39:13 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <JIME.92Apr14165943@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.192835.23490@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>>   In article <JIME.92Apr14121818@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>>
>>   >Because there is a real and present injustice in the Israeli
>>   >occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights.  A
>>   >possible future war must be guarded against, but it does not justify
>>   >the present injustice of the occupation.
>>
>>	   Do you mean injustice because Israel controls those areas, or do you
>>   mean injustice becasue what is going on in those areas.  Or both?
>
>Both, actually.  The mere occupation goes against UN resolutions.  And
>there are considerable injustices going on as a result of the occupation.


	I don't care what the UN says but I don't see any injustice in
controlling the Golan.  Syria attacked, Syria lost it.  Syria attacked, Syria
still lost it.  Too bad for her.


>
>>	   I've been reading this thread for awhile, and from what I gather, Jim,
>>   you don't feel that the security forces should shoot at rock thowers, even
>>   when in self-defence.  Other than leaving immediately, which is impracticle
>>   right now, what do you think the security forces should do?  (personally
>>   I think paint balls would be effective...)
>
>If paint balls would be effective, then that would be considerably
>better than lead bullets.  There is considerable technology available
>to modern forces in putting down unarmed rioters: water cannons, tear
>gas, shields, etc.  These devices are relatively humane in comparison
>with rifles.  I know that Israel has/is experimented/ing with rubber
>bullets, which is a step in the right direction.
>--

	Water cannons probably wouldn't be a good idea due to the small water
supply.  Tear gas has been used, and Israel was still criticized.  Shields
might be a good idea.

							-Manu

>=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)


-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            
Do unto others before they do unto you.
"The future of the Arabs of Palestine was sacrificed to Egyptian politics"
						-Sir John Bagot Glubb
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.abortion,dc.general
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:50:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <9APR199207374575@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes...
>That's odd; I walked through and around crowds there for almost
>two hours and I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that signatures
>were being collected. If someone would put me in touch with NOW


Okay, okay! I wasn't at the Ellipse before the march, when, I'm
told, the signatures were collected. I did view the crowd from
the Washington Monument grounds, but spent most of my time
at the other end of the march.
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Charting the murkey depths of Bill Clinton
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <9204091523.AA07983@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> paws@VLSI1.VLSI.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul Landsberg) writes:
>
> 
>The case against Bill Clinton:
>Slick Willy takes the marriage vows to Hillary.  Marriage is considered
>by many Americans as an important vow.  Libido Clinton admits to a little
>outside activity.  If a candidate cannot keep a personal vow to a wife,
>is he able to keep a vow of public trust?  You decide.

J.F.K.?  F.D.R.?

[more fun Clinton facts deleted.  Can't comment on them, since I'm
not an avid Clinton defender, or I don't know enough about the
allegation.  All I hope is that he gets better at fibbing than
"I didn't inhale" by November.  I ask, do you want Bush around
another 4 years?]

> 
>Environmental Bill ends up extremely low on the pollution/waste
>charts.  Ah, but he talks pretty.  Actions speak louder than words.

His state isn't the richest.  I'm not sure what he could've done,
but it is a point of concern.
  
> 
>Urban Bill on student absenteeism in NY.  "I'd take away the driver's license
>of students who didn't attend school."  The kids in the Queens school laughed
>his sorry butt out of the room.

This was foolishness and ignorance of now folks in NY function.
We here don't really need cars.  Our mass transit system allows
us to get by without knowing how to drive (I didn't learn until
I was almost 22).  His threat is empty here.

But I did relish him getting grilled by those Cardoza brats!
And Tsongas is out of it.  Sigh.
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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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Date: 15 Apr 92 12:33:46

In article <1992Apr15.132710.1008@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr14173310@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # Certainly a deportation of all Palestinians is racist.
>   # How do you
>   # choose whom to deport?  Not based on previous crimes, for not all
>   # Palestinians have committed crimes.
>
>	   Previous crimes would certainly be a factor.
>
>   # Not based on actual threat, for a
>   # peace-loving Palestinian (and such do exist) is no threat.
>
>	   As long as they agree to remain so, they can stay.
>
>   # The only
>   # criterion is that the person is a Palestinian, and this criterion is
>   # by itself racist.
>
>	   Again, you seem not to be able to read (or at least remember after
>   you read it).  That is not the only criteria.  In fact, it is not a
>   criteria at all.

Then why did you say that you want to deport all the Palestinians?
Would you deport Jews in your plan to solve the Palestinian problem?

>   # Would you include in the deportation order any Jew
>   # who advocates the establishment of a Palestinian state?  Such Jews
>   # exist in Israel.   Such advocacy would be considered by the likes of
>   # yourself to be a threat (please correct me if I'm wrong).  And yet
>   # they would not be deported.  This demonstrates the ultimate racism
>   # inherent in your deportation idea.
>
>	   Your nuts.  Anyone could advocate whatever they wanted.  THey
>   could advocate a "palestinian?" State.  They just would have to agree
>   not to do anything to bring it about, and they would have to agree to
>   remain peaceful

So you use a loyalty oath to the state of Israel as the deportation
criterion?  Anyone promising not to do anything to establish a
Palestinian state could stay, and everyone else gets deported?  This
would then be a political action that would result in the deportation
of many Israeli Jews as well.  It is also essentially a fascist
position, where political opposition to your line of thinking would be
forcibly eliminated.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:26:40 GMT

In article <gate.5BuyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>
>From _The Daily Northwestern_
>(Northwestern University's newspaper),
>Thursday, April 4, 1991:
>
>
>              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?
			
				     None of it is false.


Ralph here presents a paid article in a newspaper, provided by a
front for the IHR, as a newspaper article in the newspaper of 
a major univeristy.  Bradley Smith claims gets the ads in by appealing
to considerations of freedom of speech, and then Ralph Winston
quotes it as if its a newspaper story.

What Ralph Winston omits here is the one page rebuttal by the
editorial staff of the Norwestern Newspaper, saying how the piece
is a collection of anti-Semitic lies.

He also omits the rebuttals and condemnation of the other newspaper
at college campuses that either printed the add or refuses it.

But this is how the IHR bunch treats historical sources in general;
quoting out of context, etc.

This comes from a group that is a front for hate groups that distribute
white-supremicist and anti-Semitic propaganda.  

A couple of days ago, Ralph posted something from the NAAWP, a white
supremicist organization connected to the KKK.

All of the stuff from Ralph Winston and the rest of his friends at
B-CPU should be read as propaganda from hate groups.

None of it has any validity as history, as the American Historical 
Association, The Duke Univeristy Department of History, and other
organizations have publically stated.

>                                Ralph Winston

>Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.

They put this line in so the IHR doesn't get sued again.  The IHR has
been sued for a variety of torts, and have lost.  They continue to 
behave in the same manner that got them sued in the first place.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.

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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:30:57 GMT
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Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Apr10.214732.9204@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>   Whoa!  You can't be serious with this exculpation of the US territorial
>   acquisitions.  You haven't mentioned the indigenous people -- you
>   remember -- the Indians?  There isn't a single inch of American
>   territory that wasn't stolen -- by force or deceit -- from the previous
>   inhabitants.
Please remember that my comments were in reply to a claim that the US
was formed in much the same way as Israel, a claim which you do not
discuss at all.  Your comments are thus pretty much out of scope.

Your view ignores the fact that the stealing was done by the European
colonial powers, not the US.  The stealing was done well before 1776
(much of it centuries before...).  How can you blame the US government
for that?

>   Not to mention your distortions of the Revolutionary War,
>   which certainly had "terroristic" elements.
Name some please.

>   You also managed to miss
>   mention our "peaceful" acquisition of California, New Mexico, Arizon and
>   Florida.
CA and most of NM and AZ were taken by the US by force of military
arms from Mexico in 1846-48.  The US pretty much conquored Mexico and
kept the pieces it wanted.  Southern NM and AZ were bought
peacefully from Mexico in 1854.  Most of FL was bought from the
Spanish in 1821, after we took it anyway in 1818.

Still, overall, most of the territory of the US was not given to us by
an international organization in the wake of an administering
authority backing out under the pressure of terrorists, and conquered
in an ensuing war.  That is how Israel was formed, and is not at all
how the US was formed.

>   You might also take a look at US imperialism -- take a good
>   look at the article in the most recent Atlantic written by Mark Twain
>   around the turn of the century in reference to US behavior in the
>   Philippines.  READ SOME HISTORY!  US behavior is no better -- in some
>   cases maybe worse -- than the Israeli, and not just two hundred years
>   ago: read something about the US gov. and the American Indian Movement
>   or the Black Panthers.  Read about the civil rights movement.

Notice please that the Philippines were given independence in 1946.
Now please explain what the Black Panthers have to do with territorial
imperialism.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: DSPWorld@world.std.com (Amnon Aliphas)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:17:41 GMT





It looks like Jim Eggert's knowledge of history is deficient.

Most of the land taken by the U.S. in 1847, during the Mexican War was taken
by force from Mexico.  The U.S. forces were occupying Mexico City Sept.1847 and
Mexico, was forced to sign the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty by which Mexico
"ceded" California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, parts of Utah and Colorado,
and of course Texas (which was anexed before, and was the reason the war
started).

Get your facts straight before you post them.


Amnon Aliphas
From: bmc@mayo.edu (Bruce Cameron)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Texas gas explosion
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:20:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmw.1992Apr9.182032.7056
Reply-To: bmc@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Biomedical Imaging Resource

In article <9APR199208111284@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
|> 
|> It seems that liquified petroleum gas leaked out of a pipeline
|> and, being heavier than air flowed downhill into a valley.
|> This "cool, heavy cloud" allegedly exploded with such force
|> that it "rattled buildings 70 miles away and was heard
|> 140 miles away."  And, almost needless to say, it allegedly
|> killed "a six-year-old boy," as well as doing some other
|> damage.
|> 
|> I've read in books on explosion damage assessment that
|> the key to a forceful gas explosion is confinement. Explosion
|> force is greatly attenuated the more sources of ventilation
|> there are. This "explosion" allegedly occurred in open air.
|>

Can you say FAE (fuel air explosive)? The key is not confinement,
but rather the speed of ignition, rate of burn & the concentration
of the flamable material to the oxident.

For the best, & prehaps most detailed explaination of this
try rec.pyrotechnics.
 
-- 
--Bruce

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
				Gandhi
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:40:50 GMT

I wonder why all these Zionist-controlled newspapers ran such laudatory
assessments of Arafat when it was thought that he was killed in a plane
crash this week.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "I would think that if God were on Arafat's side, the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  plane wouldn't have crashed in the first place."
U o' C Law Skool   +  
Chi, IL 60637      +  					--  Daniel Frank
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Arthur Ashe and USA Today:  What happened to simple decency?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:10:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <9APR199208465608@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:

> In article <1992Apr9.010107.9746@alw.nih.gov>, vos@helix.nih.gov (Peter Vos) 
> writes...
> [article condemning USA Todays invasion of privacy of Arthur Ashe by announcing
> he had AIDS, so original article]
> While I support your point about privacy 100%, has it not come to a sad state
> of affairs when one is "laid low" by the revelation that you have
> caught a terminal disease through blood transfusion. Why should someone
> have to be ashamed? Is the knowledge you mat die soon not enough?

No one has to be ashamed. And surely, Mr. Ashe is not ashamed. He is
angry, and I don't blame him. Once again, the media has shown their
complete contempt for the privacy issue. 


> I could never understand just how or why people are so horrible to AIDS
> victims, especially those who have caught it as a result of medical 
> negligence/ignorance. How can anyone treat the dying like this? Especially

Got news for you. It's not only AIDS victims. My father died of cancer
and for the last several months of his life, people he worked with for
17 years - people who he liked and cared about alot and who liked him
very much - treated him like he was a piece of dogshit on their shoes.
Thankfully, he had lots of *real* friends and family who sat with him,
laughed with him, cried with him, prayed with him, gave him positive
support and helped him spend his last days in relative peace. 




mark
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Jordaninan behaviour in Jerusalem (was Re: Want facts?...)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:22:55 GMT

In <JIME.92Apr14171250@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>Next, perhaps someone should post some comments on the religious
>restrictions placed on Jews in East Jerusalem during the Jordanian
>tenure.  I would find this an interesting topic.

Well, Jim, I'm sure you would.

In 1948, the Jordanians kicked every last Jew out of East Jerusalem and
the Old City.  They blew up the four major synagogues in the Old City.
They used gravestones from the Mount of Olives as paving stones.  And they
forbade any Jew from returning to the Old City.  Finally, they imposed the
death penalty on any Arab who sold land in Judea/Samaria/WB to a Jew.

Does that answer your question?

--
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|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
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