HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Classification of Typefaces?
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

A few weeks ago someone asked if there was a methodology to describe and 
classify typefaces.  I negelected to get the answer, and now, I need it.

Does anyone have this information?

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: 31babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Macintosh, Katakana and/or Hiragana
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:00:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I am looking for Hiragana and Katakana fonts for the macintosh.  Has 
anyone out there seen any, either commercial or PD?

Please e-mail.  I will summarize to the net.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: Font conversion software
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:17:14 GMT

I bought my wife ATECH's AllType font-conversion program for Xmas, and
have since learned about all the problems it has converting to and from
TrueType format (including failure to translate the hinting properly).
Can anybody recommend a better choice of software, specifically for the
purpose of converting Adobe Type Manager fonts to TrueType for Windows
3.1?
Thnaks....
Paul Botts
prb@chinet.chi.il.us
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Math Fonts
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:30:10 GMT
	<1993Jan1.032155.19460@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
	<PCG.93Jan2204315@decb.aber.ac.uk>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:43:15 GMT, pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) said:

pcg> (Col. G. L. Sicherman) said:

gls> Is a ps-outline a PostScript type-1 typeface?  I don't see any
gls> PostScript fonts on ftp.tex.ac.uk, and I've never heard of any
gls> public-domain PostScript versions of Computer Modern faces.

pcg> Some people (Graham Toal, if I remember well) did get very high
pcg> resolution (3000 DPI) CM bitmaps and then outlined them into Type
pcg> *3* format, without any hinting.

Ah, I was looking right now on mac.archive.umich.edu, and for your
wonder and happiness I saw the following in the index file:

 /mac/system.extensions/font/type1/computermodernmac.sit.hqx
  282     6/14/92    BinHex4.0,StuffIt1.5.1

    Size:  12,24
    The Computer Modern fonts used in TeX ported to the Mac and
    translated to Type 1 format.  These fonts are optimized (key
    mapping revised) for use with normal Mac applications. Includes:
     ComputerModernBX, ComputerModernMI,  ComputerModernR,
    ComputerModernSS, ComputerModernTI,  ComputerModernTT.

 /mac/system.extensions/font/type1/computermoderntex.sit.hqx
  380     6/14/92    BinHex4.0,StuffIt1.5.1

    Size:  12,24
    The Computer Modern fonts used in TeX ported to the Mac and
    translated to Type 1 format.  These fonts are optimized (key
    mapping retained) for use with OzTeX.
    Includes:  Cmbx, Cmex, Cmmi, Cmmib, Cmr, Cmsy, Cmti, Cmtt.
--
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  E l'italiano cantava, cantava. E le sue disperate invocazioni giunsero
  alle orecchie del suo divino protettore, il dio della barzelletta
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: can't download from cica.indiana.edu
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:44:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <C0r7CD.Dqo@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cei381@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jarre's laser harp) writes:

>The FAQ says that truetype fonts are available to FTP from
>ftp.cica.indiana.edu in /pub/pc/win3/truetype.  However, when I try
>to get a directory listing from this site, I get told that anonymous
>access is rejected.

They have apparently blocked some of these tt files because they are
investigating copyright violations.  This is also true of most of
the mirror sites.  I did, however, successfully download them form
garbo in Finland.

.
-- 
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 17:11:49 EST
From: Dimitri Vulis <DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Old Slavonic Church laser fonts required !!!

In article <1993Jan10.022251.19724@microsoft.com>, georgem@microsoft.com (George
Moore) says:
>The Cyrillic and Extended Cyrillic areas of the Lucida Sans Unicode
>font contain the Old Slavonic Church characters.
Like most people, I have not seen NT or Lucida Sans Unicode, but here are a few
remarks:
1. There are 2 approaches to rendering obsolete Cyrillyc letters (yat's,
yuses, etc): either use a modern-looking typeface, where these letters
look compatible with modern letters (the approach taken in most Western
textbooks of Old Church Slavonic) or to render them in a black-letter-like
typeface designed in 19th century by a Czech slavist Shafarik (sorry, I'm
not spelling this right :).  The Unicode book, unfortunately, renders
the early letters in Shafarik, so if Lucida follows that, Vasya will have
to mix modern-looking surviing letters, like A, B, V.. with black-letter-
looking early letters, like Zelo or Yat', or the titlos he asked about
(yes, that's the official English name) --- much too ugly to be usable.
If you provide a font variant, you have to provide all the letters in
that variant.  (Imagine rendering early English with most letters from
Times Roman and Thorn, Edh, and Yogh from a display face resembling
Fraktur.  OK, maybe to Microsoft users this is acceptable. :)

2. Note that Vasya hails from Moldova.  If Vasya tries to render old
Moldavian manuscripts (which use Cyrillic) in Unicode, he'll have
a problem, because Unicode lacks the very important letter YN.
It looks like a latin i with an oversized circumflex and was
replaced by a regular Russian yery in 1920.

3. Are there any plans to support Unicode in OS/2 2.x? We can't
use programs that are Not There for production work.

Dimitri
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jdb26@YP.sparcm1 (Jeff Bailey)
Subject: Custom Type 1 font in UNIX environment-Help!
Reply-To: jdb26@YP.sparcm1
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:13:57 GMT

I'm working with a font house to develop a custom type 1 font for
postscript printing in a unix environment.  The type 3 font that
they sent me works fine in our environment.  The type 1 font, however,
is balked at by the printer.  They have sent us both .pfa and .pfb
fonts to try.  Here is the command that I use to do the printing:

$ cat font.pfa document.ps | lpr

The fonts are sent to me in DOS format and I upload them to my unix workstation.  
Any suggestions on what the problem might be.  It if matters, I'm
using a Dataproducts LZR 1260 printer.

---
Jeff Bailey
Chemical Abstracts Service
Columbus, OH 43221         INTERNET: jdb26@cas.org
(614) 447-3600               BITNET: jdb26@cas.bitnet
From: bass@cs.utk.edu (Vance Bass)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Music font
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

In article <9065@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> kfischer@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Kevin J. Fischer) writes:
>I am looking for a music font in either than ATM or TrueType format.
>I think that these music fonts are often referred to as 'Sonata fonts'.
>This font NEEDS to be public domain so I can distribute it with my
>program.  Any information about where to obtain such a font would
>be greatly appreciated.

A few weeks ago someone posted the address of a place in Alaska which sold
low-cost disks of free and shareware TrueType fonts.  I wrote them, they sent
a flyer, and I junked it because we decided to go with ATM and PostScript
fonts.

But I do remember that there was a music font called "Lassus" on one of
their disks.

Try to get the post before it expires.  Perhaps someone who has the address
of the Alaskan freeware place would mail it to KJF and/or repost it here.

And if anyone has "Lassus" converted to PostScript, please send ME mail.

Vance
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From:  Oleg V. Vasenyoff <vasya@virt.moldova.su>
Subject: Old Slavonic Church laser fonts required !!!
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: vasya@virt.moldova.su
Organization: add
Summary: Need laser fonts 

As I know, most of Russian and Slavonic Church books are usually
published in English-spoken countries. Of course, they were printed
using Laser fonts. Was anybody occupied with such kind of DTP?
And have you Laser fonts with Old Slavonic Church 'titles' (I don't know
their real English names - it's a some kind of tildes) :
 - PCL (with Windows screen fonts),
 - scaleable (PostScript type1 or True Type).
I'll very thankful for your reply and/or fonts themself.



--- 
/========================================\
| Oleg Vasenyoff | vasya@virt.moldova.su |
\========================================/
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Font Editors
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:06:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

Are there any public domain / shareware ATM or TT font editors for
win31?  I have seen references to a "wfboss" or somesuch, but can't
find any editors at any of my usual FTP sites.


-- 
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: meferg@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Mark Ferguson)
Subject: True Type Font info needed
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:28:30 GMT

Could someone point me to where I could get information about True Type 
fonts (via ftp, mailserver, bookstore, etc) that would include information
as to how they are represented in a file (file format)?  I'm evaluating a 
project that will need to read True Type fonts and perform operations such 
as scaling, rotation, etc..  Any information is greatly appreciated..

Thanks

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From: msubu@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr E D G Robertson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Gothic type font wanted.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:00:05 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Keywords: gothic xwindows


	Hi - loking for a font suitable for use with Xwindows, the fonts I am
used to have names of the format
'-adobe-new century schoolbook-bold-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-*-*'
	If anyone can supply or suggest a source for a gothic style font, or
knows how to convert a TeX font to this type...
	ThanX,
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Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3868 alt.sources:2961 comp.windows.x:20928
From: eleleetk@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: WANTED: Presentation fonts
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:10:18 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi, I am looking for HP deskjet Presentation fonts or anything
similar. The feature of this font is that the lower case charac-
ters are just the same as the upper case except being slightly
smaller. Does anyone know of such a font? Thanks.

Kiat
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From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Hershey Fonts legal status
Keywords: fonts, copyright
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:50:05 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1225@racerx.bridge.COM> ken@Bridge.COM writes:
>I'm confused about the legal status of the Hershey fonts.  

>How can _any_ restrictions be applied to something in the public
>domain?

See below for inalienable rights. But apart from that, the rights that
pertain to derivative works may apply. They are not always obvious.

Put the PD works into a collection. That collection is *not* PD,
although the parts of it is.

Edit a PD work, say Swift's 'Gulliver's Travels'. That edition is
copyright, although the original isn't.

Translate a work. The translation is not PD.

(What the terms collecting, editing and translating mean in regard
 to computer data is a question for an expert.)

>copyRIGHT.  If, on the other hand, he puts the work into the public
>domain, he can maintain _no_ rights to it, for it no longer belongs to
>him but rather to the PUBLIC.  (Courtesy does not enter into the legal
>questions presented here.)

In general, some rights cannot be given away.  You can't give away the
right to be acknowledged the author of the work, you can't give away
the right to refuse changes that affect your reputation, and things
like that.  At least as stated in the Berne Convention -- don't know
if US national law thinks otherwise.

Placing a work in the public domain gives away the right to copy and
distribute the work.

It's also a question of what exactly a 'work' is. A single version, or
all of them? I don't know about this.

I'm not very up-to-date on the Hershey font's -- there may be more
than one version here.

>1)  Given the conflicting statements in the above quote, are the subject
>    fonts in the public domain, or are they not?

I do recall a discussion on the same topic in the TeX groups some
years back, and it was a bit confusing. I got the impression that the
fonts distributed in the NTIS format was restricted. Translate them
into TeX .PK format, and you could distribute them freely. But I may
remember wrong. However, the parts of the README file that you quote
seem to say much the same thing.

Better ask someone at NTIS. If you are very concerned about not
infringing their copyright, you really need to get their opinion.

-- 
Anders Thulin        ath@linkoping.trab.se        013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
From: RIDGEWAY@u.washington.edu (Thomas Ridgeway)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Ukrainian font(s)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:09:25 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.200.45
Summary: some hidden characters exist
Keywords: wncyr

In article <VGL02XC@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen) writes:
>From: knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen)
>Subject: Re: Macintosh, Ukrainian font(s)
>Keywords: wncyr
>Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:06:48 GMT
>The wncyr font from TeX has all ukrainian letters except the ge with upturn.
>It is available from many servers as METAFONT source and/or readily computed
>metrics and bitmaps. 
>
>The addition of the missing g' is planned, but not yet done.
>
>--JK 
>
   An undocumented `feature' of the current WNCY is the presence of an
endinput statement in the source-file serb.mf.[1]  If this endinput 
statement is edited/commented out, a couple of extra characters (YUSs and
Ukrainian G) will appear somewhere up in the 128 to 255 range.  These were
omitted for purposes of allowing archaic old 128-character-only dvi-drivers
to continue to work, and because these characters were only halfway 
supported anyhow. (e.g. no italic forms).  Still, maybe half a loaf . . .

--------------------
[1]  Called serb.mf for reasons known only to one of a) the author, b) God.


cheers,
Tom
Thomas Ridgeway, Director, Humanities and Arts Computing, U. Washington
Seattle, WA, 98195 USA   ridgeway@u.washington.edu   phone:(206)-543-4218
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: randy@halcyon.com (C. Brandon Gresham)
Subject: Re: Anyone Make A Eurostyle Font?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:49:51 GMT

westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes) writes:

>Does anyone make a Eurostyle font?  If you have a manufacturer (and part
>number) please contact me by mail.  Thanks!

Adobe makes Eurostile (P/N 44) and Eurostile 2 (P/N 130)
From: nickn@manutius.UUCP (Nick Nussbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Classification of Typefaces?
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: nickn@manutius (Nick Nussbaum)
Organization: Aldus Corporation, Seattle WA

There are lots of systems out there to classify typefaces. It seems
to be a past-time that gets out of hand for many typographers.
One fairly complete system is the PanOS system which is actually
being implemented so that a lot of fonts end up with unique ID.
You might want to look at the book by Ben Bauermeister on the topic.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Other TT fonts than win3 to win3
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:20:47 GMT

I have downloaded quite a lot TT fonts for windows 3 from some ftp-sites.
Now I want to have a go at the TT fonts made for the MAC and other systems,
since it seems that there are PD fonts made for tha mac that have not
been "ported" to the windows format. I face several problems:


a)  MAC File Formats

	HQX files - can be unpacked with xbin
	Stuffit files - can be unpacked with unsit30
	Packit - can be unpacked with unpackit
	PACT (Compactor) files - ???? I haven't found anything here

b) even if I manage to unsit some fontfiles, they seem to be containing
	a lot of rubbish at the beginning. I tried removing everything
	before (12 bytes before cmap, or the next earlier 00 01 00 sequence),
	but windows still doesn't recognize the font.

	What I'd need is a) a description of how TT fonts are encoded
	or		 b) a general conversion program for TT fonts
	or		 c) a program that searches a file for an embedded
			     TT font and tells me the starting position.


Has anyone else had some success in converting TT fonts from other sources
for Windows3? Would you share your experiences?

Thx alot




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From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: DRACULA FONT?
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


        I remember someone asking some times ago about availability of
        the font used in the credits of DRACULA.

        I saw the movie finally last week and of course saw the font!
        Now, _is_ it available anywhere?

        -- Willy
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From: walsh@cs.umass.edu (Norman Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: New BMAP2AFM (v0.2)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: walsh@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)

Greetings,

I uploaded a new version of BMAP2AFM this morning:

  ibis.cs.umass.edu:/pub/norm/mac-font-tools/bm2afm02.zip

This version fixes the 'runtime error 002' bug that occured when you
forgot the ".bma" extension on the screen font file.  Well, fixed in the
sense that it gives a nicer error message...

And it fixes some AFM file comment problems that didn't really bother
anyone, I'm sure.

                                                  Be seeing you...
                                                    norm

P.S. I've inadvertantly used the new PKZip (2.04c) for this file so you
may not be able to get it out with 1.1x.  Sorry.  Give a yell if you have
any trouble.
---
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<walsh@cs.umass.edu> | CMPSCI Dept., LGRC A210 | Standard disclaimer applies
Elvis is dead.  Accept it.



Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: wiltz@after (David Wiltz)
Subject: Windows and TT followup
Summary: summary
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:36:00 GMT

This post is meant to follow up on  a previous post where I
went on a tirade about the problems with Windows displaying
TTF's.

As a quick summary, I was ticked that I couldn't see many of
the characters in our font, although they would print.

After a bit of time to cool down, aided by a few kind souls
who steered me in the right directions, I've been able to at
least find part of the problem, although I've no idea how to
solve it.

The font will display completely and correctly on monitors
using non-XGA drivers.  For some reason I've yet to fathom, 
XGA drivers and the font don't mix.

Once again, thanks to all those who put up with the tirade 
and helped me.  If anyone else has had similar troubles, please
pass them along.  Misery loves company.

-Dave
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   University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign  NeXTmail always welcome!
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts