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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.021055.23992@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.221655.9853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>>This HAM8 mode is the one giving 256K pseduo true colors, right?  That's 18
>>>bits per pixel, not a whole lot less than 24 bpp, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>>Actually, it is 8 bits per pixel, but the 256 base colors can held
>>and modified, hence the name.  This allows for the simulation of
>>18 bit color without actually increasing the amount of storage
>>required.  Some of the HAM images are really very nice, others
>>look really bad.  With the new SuperHAM available at resolutions
>>up to 1280 horizontally, I expect the images to be nothing short
>>of spectacular.
>
>   You obviously do not understand HAM.  In the ECS HAM mode, there are 16
>colors that can be used anywhere on the screen.  In HAM8, there are 64 colors.
>To get 256 base colors that can be placed anywhere, you would ahve to use 
>a 10 bitplane HAM mode.  

Marc, why do you always use such a nasty tone when posting?  I apologize 
for posting the wrong info, but we kicked Auburn's ass in a football game 
Saturday night and I was recovering from the celebration.  :-)

< explanation of six bit HAM deleted >

>   HAM8 mode works the same, except that there are more lower bits.  The 
>top two bits are still control bits, so only the lower six bits can be used
>to load the color of a pixel from an index register.  Thus you can only 
>have 64 colors that can be placed anywhere, and not 256.  

In any case, it is quite an improvement over standard HAM.  Although this
mode may not be that great for GUI work, I'd be interested to see a
Workbench that used the 64 base colors and allowed for 256k color images
within a window.  At the higher-resolutions, this might compare favorably
with the HiColor SVGA modes.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu




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From: mrz50957@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Matthew Robert Zeier)
Subject: Re: A4000 Image
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:14:02 GMT

ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:


>   If you have an image of the A4000, not a bogus fabrication, please post it
>to wuarchive.wustl.edu, and let us know. Thanks. 

Yes...you've beaten me to the request!  If anyone has a decent photograph of
the A4000 (perhaps more than one view, back, side, front, etc.) it could be
posted for the rest of us.  


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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  No Figs in the Apple Newton
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:07:47 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> >>>I believe that ATT and someone else is coming up with a line of PDAs
> >>>to compete with Apple's Newton... only theirs are called "Hobbits"!
> >>>Wonder if they'll have to pay for that name?

There is a russian Sinclair ZX Spectrum (AKA Timex Sinclair) compatible 
computer with a 3.5" drive that is called "Hobbit"...

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From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:13 GMT
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix

In article <3735@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>>PLEASE. IDE is a whimpering horror, a mutant cross between SCSI and ST506,
>>with some of the advantages of SCSI along with all the disadvantages of ST506.
>
>>Actually, it's worse than ST506... at least with ST506 you can build a 4 drive
>>controller (though you have to set the jumpers on the drive instead of using
>>the twisted cable kludge).
>
>  Arguing the technical merits of IDE is one thing, but the economical
>advantages still can't be denied, it's cheaper, both on the motherboard and
>for the user since the drives themselves are so widely avaialable.  Also, how
>many people are going to need more than two drives?

Jim Dionne mentioned the IDE vs. SCSI debate in his talk. He admitted that
the selection of IDE was to compete pricewise with 486 boxes. Knowing how
sensitive many uses are to IDE he did announce that a 32-bit SCSI board
should be available by Christmas.

Oh, by the way. Commodore also announced some stuff about new chip sets
beyond AA. Anybody interested in the details?

mike


-- 
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Mike Smithwick - ames!zorch!mike
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:27:09 GMT

In <1992Sep6.165134.15699@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>CGA         320x200       4 colors, really ugly palette combos

If I remember right this is 320x200 15 colors with no real palette.
(Some kind of true color with 1 bit per color + anti-halfbrite :-))

>actually OK as long as you don't mind the 64 color palette.  BTW, the
>ECS also uses a 64 color palette, truly pitiful in this day and age.

ECS uses a 64 color palette in productivity mode. Could be better, but
for productivity this isn't a problem.

>VGA is pretty much the LCD for PC clones if any sort of graphical work
>is involved.  It may not have the highest resolution and number of colors,
>but Amiga owners should be aware that it holds its own against the modes
>supported by current Amiga hardware.  If Amiga owners will think about it,
>they'll realize that the Amiga's standard modes are essentially CGA with
>more bit planes, interlace, and overscan.  :-)

What is VGA ? CGA with more bitplanes and higher vertical resolution.
So where is the major difference ? The Amiga display is highly superior to
CGA as is VGA. VGA concentrates on still images (with higher resolution)
while the Amiga concentrates on speed. SVGA is better than both, but so
is AA.

>that the drivers will be available.  And if C= doesn't have some sort
>of RTG or other solution, there will be more Windows apps which use the 
>SVGA modes than there will be Amiga programs that use the AA modes...

Nope, AA doesn't need RTG, it just needs the limited version of RTG
that supports AA. It is much easier to support different screen modes
and resolutions than supporting different fonts.

Regards,
-- 
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From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (place your name between the quote marks, please)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Link
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:46:55 GMT


In article <92254.134033DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
>Ever heard of Windows? Windows gives apps access to up to 16MB of memory.

Wow! I am thrilled! But we (animators and scientists) need more from time
to time.

BTW, what is your name number 92254.134033DXB132 ???

Regards,

Dariusz Bolski

-- 
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Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:40:43 GMT

>One Question:
>
>Who were the people who developed for the original Amiga 1000?  Back in 
>1985, when I first got an amiga, there weren't many Amigas around, but I 
>still could get software.  They found it profitable to produce when there 
>was much less computers than there is today.  Why wouldn't a company develop 
>a game for a new system/platform?  It wouldn't be too hard too implement a 
>version where the IBM VGA/SVGA graphics were converted to Amiga graphics on 
>the fly?  The basic game engine would be the same, but the graphic display 
>routines might be a bit different.

	If it isn't so hard, where are all the games?  Where is Falcon 3.0,
  Ultima 7, Ultima Underground, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, Aces of the
  Pacific??  Many others could be listed, along with tons of upcoming games
  that look like IBM VGA/SVGA only.  

>Has software become so expensive to produce that you need a market of 10 
>million potential purchasers to produce a title?  Golly, you can still get 

	Richard Garriotte ( sorry if I misspelled his name ), creator of
  the Ultima series, said that Origin spent over 1 million dollars developing
  Ultima 7.  I bet Strike Commander costs even more.  Fortunately, Origin
  pre-sold 60000 copies of Ultima 7 to regain their costs.  That kind of
  volume is just not found in the Amiga game market.  In fact, Richard 
  Garriotte has already stated that Ultima 7 will never be ported to any
  other platform.  LucasArts has also stated this about SWOTL.

>new titles for the Commodore 64 and Spectrum computers over in England.  
>Besides, I still have Vic-20 games that I still like playing.  So I don't 
>expect every single software title to be available for my machine.  Not 
>every single game is made for the IBM, some NeoGeo, SNES and Megadrive 
>software springs to mind.  Although, most of the strategy and adventure 

	I look at console games ( SNES, Genesis ) as being a separate market
  from computer games ( IBM, Amiga, MAC ).

>software that I prefer look better with colourful, but static screens.  I'm 
>getting to old and slow to play shoot-em-up's nowadays.
>
>
>Just my thoughts (flakey as they are).

	Hey, this is c.s.a.a, flakey thoughts are accepted along with all
   other kinds of thought. :) 

							G.Greene


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From: 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: HAM8 Quality?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:27:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

OK, does the new HAM8 mode display 256,000
(or 262,000 or whatever) colors out of
a palette of 16.8 Million or out of
a palette of 256,000.  Someone told me
it was out of 256,000(262,000) and then
64 colors ouut of the 16.8 palette. Now
that would be kinda weird.  To someone 
who has seen a HAM8 pic, how did it look
and what does it compare to in the rest
of the industry?  How sharp was it, say in
hires interlaced mode?  I assume that since
it is HAM that it has the typical HAM color
fringing but how noticible is it with so
many colors and the higher resolution?

        -Dave
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:50:16 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep7.054043.24354@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>	If it isn't so hard, where are all the games?  Where is Falcon 3.0,
>  Ultima 7, Ultima Underground, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, Aces of the
>  Pacific??  Many others could be listed, along with tons of upcoming games
>  that look like IBM VGA/SVGA only.  

	And where are all the IBM versions of Amiga original games?  The 
problem with a lot of the Amiga users on this group is that they suffer
from "the grass is greener" complex.  IBM games are generally flight sims
and RPG games (Note: thats all that Gregory Greene, a confirmed Amiga->IBM
convert, lists above.)  Amiga games are targets more towards action games
and puzzle games, like lemmings.  I've seen a few games that were Amiga first
(Not many) and they didn't look quite as good on IBM.  The point is, why 
should we demand that companies port every IBM game to Amiga? Wouldn't it
be better to ask for more Amiga-original games?  With the exception of SimCity
and one or two other ports, I don't remember ever enjoying a ported game as
much as some amiga originals, like Lemmings...
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon030 is there ..
Keywords: Falcon030
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:45:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <al158305.715454759@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>
>   Well, I wondered how long it'd take for these <edited> atari assholes
>to post an ad, well here it is, thanx a lot for our lost time reading these
>reams of shit, lies and half truths. Thanx a lot.
>
>   And in no place does it say that Amiga had all of that since '85.
>
>   I hope you rot in hell.

I believe we've found someone worse than Jeff Young! <grin>  I hope
this message wasn't in complete seriousness.

Steve
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:45:10 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Sep13.204454.7061@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>be a substantial market for software written for ti.
>
>Yeah, then who develops new software for the "AGA" chips? If all of the
>low and mid-range can ONLY do ECS stuff?

Its fortunate the architecture and OS are reasonably 'scalable', then.

>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/

		andy
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"OS/2 is the operating system for the next thousand great applications." -
 one of the things Bill Gates probably wishes he hadn't said.


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From: aciceran@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (A. J. Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.212653.18656@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
(Skip Sauls) writes:

>It seems that some people were expecting a $500 machine with an 030 and
>the AGA chipset.  As nice as it would be, I really doubt that C= or any
>company could produce such a thing.

An interesting point which has not yet been mentioned is the possibility
that mid-level machines may be unveiled at the Fall COMDEX (the CBM
response to the Robinson article alluded to additional announcements).
At the moment, the A3000 becomes a cost-effective machine for the mid-range,
but the modularity of the graphics and CPU of the A4000 will lead to some
uncertainties.

As for expectations, I'm quite amazed at the controversy over the
IDE vs. SCSI issue. I'll take SCSI-II in January myself. In the meantime,
IDE is a suitable LCD (it's not like you couldn't remove it and sell the
thing to the 80 million other prospective IDE purchasers :)).

>I personally think that the A600 and A600HD stand a chance of being very
>big sellers for C=, provided that they have a sound marketing strategy.
>A possible target audience are the millions of kids and their parents 
>who will be buying a SNES, Genesis, or one of the other toy consoles this
>year.  The great game capabilities of the Amiga could be touted, as well
>as the fact that it can do so much more than the consoles.  Make the
>parents feel guilty for buying their child a mere toy when they could be
>buying a useful tool.

I agree entirely, particularly with respect to the market in Eastern
Europe and the developing nations which see the C64 as a viable platform.
One day 700 K C64s will translate into 700 K A600s.
From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (mr_scary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who know
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 13:22:08 EDT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

-> From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
	Not directed exclusively to (J.B. Nicholson-Owens).

-> 
-> SCSI-II is where the action is at in terms of high-quality hard drives  
-> that are available everywhere.  IDE was nice years ago, but now it's a  
-> has-been.
-> 
-> Flexibility is nice, but a system that isn't competitive won't even be  
-> considered by professionals as anything but a toy.
-> -- 

	People bitch endlessly about how the Amiga is expensive, but when
C= tries to reduce the cost on current models (Commodore may be able to get
a better discount on IDE drives in their machines since this is probably
what their PC products use as well), people bitch anyway.  What would it
take to make you happy?  A Multitasking Quadra 950 that runs all software
for any machine with 32bit 120fps video for $500.00?  The company would go
out of business, then you'd bitch more because you had no support.

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.005152.10050@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:

[ ]
>
>Well, the PC version of Lemmings looked just as good and was
>hard-drive installable.  The SuperNintendo version looked better.

I can't talk about the Amiga version of Lemmings, but I do have the CDTV,
SNES and PC versions. The PC version is simply awful. Looks are a bit 
subjective, but the cheap adlib sound is terrible. Actually there's virtually
nothing good to say about the PC ( an I've been trying to like a 486 MPC
version with Mediavision's CDPC unit (a unit which is nice)). People go on
and on about graphics when all they do is lead to to memory hassles, which
then leads you to QEMM, 386 Max, etc...which may or may not work with a
particular utlity. Don't you think that after 12 years PC's would finally
figure out a way to drive a CD-ROM and a sound board easily under their most
popular graphical interface (Windows). And don't let anyone tell you that 
DMA, Interrupt, etc...conflicts are easily delt with. They aren't and I've
spent 72 hours on them just in order to play the MPC KQ5 with no problems.

Anyway, back to your point.PC users have no idea what the word elegance is.
I must tell you quite frankly that the PC is (apart from OS/2- 2.0 which has
interesting possibilities) absolutely the worst micro I have ever owned. My
GS is far superior to my 486. At least 5 megs is 5 megs. No wonder Apple is
selling lot's of Mac's. I'm just surprised that Apple isn't the micro 
standard at this point.
 
In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a
large market and a lot of stuff is available for what is a terrible piece
of junk, my GS is better than my 486 (as are my Mac's), and the Amiga has
nothing to apologize for. It's a far better computer than the PC will ever
be.

Just my $2000 worth (price of the MPC thing approximately-> with "8 megs of
RAM, giving me 550k of usable RAM").
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.210356.29662@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.022034.6012@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>Wow, really?  I would think that Gateway 2000 would be much larger than that.
>>Thisis especially suspicious since I thought Packard Bell sold second only to
>>IBM in *units* sold.  And that wasn't mentioned.  Or was it?
>
>Speaking of Packard Bell...
>
>How is Packard Bell doing as a clone seller?  Whenever I get a budget
>again, I will probably be buying a Packard Bell clone.

Well, sales wise or support/quality?

Sales wise, jsut as I said, I think thay sell a LOT.

Quality wise, I can vouch positively for them.  I have a 386/33.  The components
are all good, except maybe the keyboard.  They're those spongy non-click
jobs.  Yech.  I used to it now, though.

I (ahem) did something which I'd rather not go into which caused my hard drive
to fail.  A service guy came to my house and replaced it within a week.  The
tech support has two side:  there is an automated tech help thing for 
no-brainer problems, and it is easy to talk to a 'real' person.  They
AREN'T familiar with OS/2 like they are w/ DOS, to let you know.

They are a bit pricey perhaps, (I won't go into personal details), and
the VGA cards are built into the motherboards.  Bad if you want to
upgrade.  The SVGA capable machines have separate cards, like mine.

BTW, I got my 386 maybe 9 mos ago, so your milage may vary.

>Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
--
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
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