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From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Fiaz sahab kee aak Nazam
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:00:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.


	A great Nazam by great Fiaz, taken from "qulliyat-i-Fiaz.


	AAJ BAAZAAR MAIN PA-BAJAULAAN CHALO

	chashm-e-nam, jaan-e-shoreedah kaafi naheeN
	tuhmat-e-ishq-e-posheedah kaafi naheeN
	aaj baazaar maiN pa-bajaulaaN chalo

	dast afshaaN chalo, mast-o-raqsaaN chalo
	khaak bar sar chalo, khooN ba-daamaaN chalo
	rah takta hai sab shehr-e-jaanaaN chalo

	haakim-e-sheher bhi majma-e-aam bhi
	teer-e-ilzaam bhi, sang-e-dushnaam bhi
	subh-e-naashaad bhi, roz-e-naakaam bhi

	in ka dam saaz apnay siwa kaun hai
	shehr-e-jaanaaN maiN ab ba-sifa kaun hai
	dast-e-qaatil kay shaayaaN raha kaun hai

	rakht-e-dil baandh lo dil figaro chalo
	phir hameeN qatl ho aa-eN yaaro chalo


	If someone need any Ghazal of Fiaz, Saleem kosar and Iqbal Azeem send me 
	mail. I also have "kalam" (not complete) of Habib Jalib, Ahmed Faraz and
	Mustafa Zedi.

	Khuda Hafiz

		Zakir Abdi
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Maudoodi's answers at Munir Enquiry
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:49:03 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



To all pro-maulvi friends:

Read above extracts from Munir report and weep---LOUD!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr13.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Re: STOP PRESS: Najeeb out! Kabul falls to Mujahideen
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:38:44 GMT

hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>In article <kurcriINNfi1@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>In article <5749@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr15.180831.16293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood) writes:
>:::
>:::	WHY UN "PEACE" EFFORTS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD BE DENOUNCED
>:::
>::
>::	In this entire posting you have assumed that the Mujahideens are on
>::the verge of victory. They are far from it. 
>
>:It appears Mr. Aman has not been following the news. 
>:
>
>Mr. Aman you were definitely not upto date.
>
>STOP PRESS:
>
>News just coming in. KABUL HAS FALLEN. Najeeb is out.
>
>Keep your fingers crossed for more news.
>
>

just heard on CNN about the subject news

Najeeb is out in hiding at safe place, no one knows about it, where he
really is. He has transfered the power to his high govt. officials.

mean while mujahideens are contolling military garrisons just out side
KABUL.

AQ
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 09:56:26 EDT
From: Masood Ali Khan <MAK121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan bans book

While reading the newspaper this morning, I came across an article that stated
that the Sindh province has outlawed a book on Pakistani politics, charging it
was offensive to Muslims.  The book is called "Waiting For Allah" by reporter
Christina Lamb of the Financial Times of London.  Lamb talks about 'Pakistan's
Islamic society while chronicling former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's rise
to power in 1988 and downfall 18 months later'.  I believe this was reported by
the Associated Press.  Does anyone have more info on this issue?

Masood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Thanks God
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:30:14 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Dear Arshad Hussain,

What   ever   your  belief  is,  I  am  not concerned  with  it  but 
please do not quote the quranic  verses incorrectly.  The verse
which you have quoted is not  complete.  There is no point in
leaving one or any part of it. If you want to use quranic verses
in your discussion then use it  with its originality.  Your mutilation
is  definitly changing  the meaning of it and its  context.

Zaalik Al-Kitaab o Hudal-lil- Muttaqeen
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                        La  Raai  Ba  Feeh 
(This Book(Quran) is guide for God Fearing people)

Its  better not to quote the actual verse,  you can communicate  your
point of view by just using the meaning of it.  At least this way you can
avoid a mistake which can put you and your belief in jeopardy.

SOHBAN SHAHID                 e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
Civil Engineering Department        (303) 491 7710/5844/8204 (work)
Colorado State University           (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Please reply Mr Nasir Ahmed Noor
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:19:33 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Apr08.194106.63412@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:

>Utter crap

Yes indeed---either you or your maulvi!!!

Nasir
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Talking of Purdah (veil) !!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


To those fellows who are trying very hard to put veils on ladies on the
net!

The casting down of the eyes is a part of purdah but it is important to
emphasise that this practice is not enjoined on women alone.

So how many of you (men) ``do'' this purdah???

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

p.s.  this letter in no way discusses my point of view on purdah nor am I
      giving it!
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A note on Khaatem
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:13:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
>Subject: Re: WHY ARGUE ON KHATAM AL NABAYYIN ?
>
>    Second, we agree that
>Jesus Christ (son of) Mary Imran will appear later. We agree that he won't
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
>change/modify anything of Islam, so he won't bear new law. 

Is we = Nabeel + Ghuzlaan?
Don't expect God to give life to dead person(e.g, Jesus, Khider)
before the day of Judgement. 

> I want to draw the attention to the
>Hadith, "You are to me like Aaron to Moses, but there will be no prophets
>after me."

Please tell me WHOM Holy Prophet is addressing in above hadith.
If he is addressing Jesus, then Jesus was 550 years older than him.
No point of bringing this hadith here.
There will be no prophet after Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad( including
Jesus). He is FINAL prophet. Period.

> Aaron died before Moses as all historians agree, so why did the
>Prophet say there would be no prophets after him in that CONTEXT? Because
>Aaron was sent after Moses in answer of his request, "I am weak and have a
>problem with my tongue so send my brother with me."

Did Holy Prophet have any physical/political weakeness?
Of course not. 
He brought the complete BOOK.
Quran is our guide after death of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH).

For God sake think about it.

   Does this obliterate your victory? I hope so, good luck.

**Nabeel
From: irfan@pluto.dss.com (Syed Mohammad Irfan Ashraf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SCARY THOUGHT
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:02:04 GMT
Organization: Datability, Incorporated

In article <45174@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.165234.1611@crc.ac.uk>, fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr13.113643.2376@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>> > In article <45006@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
%% 
%% % %I just had a very scary thought.What would happen if all the people
%% % % on SCP were locked in a room without any exits.This is a very scary thought     indded any comments??.
%% % 
%% % An ingenious thought experiment indeed.
%% % 
%% % How big is this room, does it have any windows or a ceiling!
%% % Also imagine if there is no cold water or ice in this room! scarier...!
%% % 
%% 
%% Oh I get it!  It's one of those lateral thinking questions!   So now we 
%% ask you
%% questions to find out why all SCP correspondents were in the one room 
%% to start with....................
%% ....................................the mind boggles.
%
%      hehehe well i'll let your imagination think about it......
%     
%
%     As for the room well it is a big enough to accomadate all the die hard 
%scp correspondents.It does have a ceiling but no windows so that no one can 
%call for help from within a room.
%
%think about it....
%
%Lahori (LHL 111) Poond

-- 
Irfan
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All praises to Allah; The Sustainer/Lord of all universes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: ADVENT OF PROMISED MESSIAH (one answer serves all!!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:16:11 GMT

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:

>I should have mentioned two Hadith.....

>1).    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
>          "The Mahdi is no other than the Messiah"(Ibn Majah).

   Didn't I tell you that Hadiths about Mahdi are contradictory and probably
most of them are corrupted/fabricated?

>2).  Placing his hand at the shoulder of Salman the Persian, the Holy Prophet
>     (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
>          "If faith would have ascended to Pleiades it would be brought back
>           by a man from these."
>                          (Bukhari, kitabut Tafseer Bab Tafseer Sura Jum'a).

   You still manage to find interesting translations, the Prophet said,
" ... rijalun min ha'ula'i." "Rijalun" is plural of "rajulun", "rajulun"
= man, "rijalun" = men. He said, "even if faith was in the Pleiades, it
would be reached by men of these." Interpreted to mean, some non-Arabs
would be good Muslims. Note that he did not say, it will be brought back,
you are misguiding people. The Hadith meant the no matter how tough faith
may be, some non-Arabs will be good Muslims. The Hadith did not mean that
all non-Arab liars are prophets and devouts.

>I hope now Mr. Nabeel Ghulzan won't call me liar and also won't claim that
>Mahdi and Promised Messiah are bound to be two different personalities.

   You still lie, and to may Hadiths about Mahdi are still contradictory;
so I would still have my claims about you (please, be tolerant).

>Please note that I had already proved (last year I guess) that Hazrat Mirza
>Ghulam Ahmed was of persian descent. Can repost if you ask. 

   If you "managed" to prove he was a prophet, while there are no prophets
after Muhammad, and he was Jesus son of Mary [and many others], it does not
surprise me that you be able to prove he was Gabriel, Adam, Eve or even God.
[However, I challenge you to prove he was Nabeel Ghuzlaan!]
Please, feel free to express your fertile imagination.

>Regards
>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

**Nabeel (+= 0;)
From: shahid@vast.unsw.edu.au (Shahid Masud (Supr. Rigby))
Subject: Re: Did this happen to you too
Organization: Universtity of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:37:00 GMT

In article <4564@unccvax.uncc.edu> fkhurshe@ws38.unccvax.uncc.edu (Farhan Khursheed) writes:
>>On a flight from Istanbul to New York, I had my (Pakistani) passport 
>>confiscated by the (Turkish) airline, apparently under advice from
>>US Immigration.  This also happened to the other four Pakistani >passports
>>on that flight.  Our passports were not recovered until just before
>>the immigration counter at JFK.  Nobody explained why this happened, so
>>it did cause some anxiety.  I was just wondering if this has also >happened
>>to other Pakistanis and also why it happens at all.
>

Yes, it has happened with some of my friends while travelling from
Australia to Japan and back.

-Shahid
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The Qadiani/non-Qadiani war. Ceasefire ? Please.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


Dear Mr. Pillai,

To tell you the truth, you have written something which I think of
every day. You are very right sir, I will take a lot of heat by
saying this, that Majority plays a major role in winning you a status
in the society. I have thought of Shias and how they  were declined
the right to be a Muslim and how they are now part of every *ISLAMIC*
committee in Pakistan.

You are very right, sir, that numbers play a major role in getting
you the stamp of approval from the ruling and also, may be, when
we will be in majority tommorow, we too will join Sunnis and Shias
in persecuting ``Non-Muslims''.

Very well said. You have won my regards!!!

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: smunir@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sohail Munir)
Subject: Looking for Amjed H. Chistti at METU.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:22:00 GMT



Hi!
I am looking for a friend Amjed Hussain Chistti at M.E.T.U.,Ankara,Turkey.
If u read this posting, please reply me by e-mail.

Thanks.


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From: aq0@engr10.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:19:30 GMT

a little rebellion now and than is better...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: AIK100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: BRITISH OPEN FINAL RESULT
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:35:10 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Jansher Khan of Pakistan has won the British Open Title for the first time. He
played Chris Robertson of Australia. The score was 9-7 , 10-9 , 9-5, it was a
straight 3-0 match. Jansher has kept the name of Pakistan on the top of the
world even though Jahangir Khan was not there. This title has been with
Pakistan since the last 10 years. I congratulate Jansher on his tremendous
victory over Robertson(AUS). We should be proud of these two mighty KHANS of
the Squash World.
From: 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:REPLY TO NABEEL ADVENT OF PROMISED MESSIAH (one answer serves all!!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:14:04 EST

In article <nabeel.703271771@bellatrix.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
> 
>>I should have mentioned two Hadith.....
> 
>>1).    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
>>          "The Mahdi is no other than the Messiah"(Ibn Majah).
> 
>    Didn't I tell you that Hadiths about Mahdi are contradictory and probably
> most of them are corrupted/fabricated?

I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU YOUR SELF DECIDED THAT THIS HADITH IS CORRUPTED
/FABRICATED WHO HAVE GIVEN YOU THIS AUTHRITY TO DECIDE WHICH HADITH IS TRUE AND
WHCIH ONE IS CORRUPTED? ANY HADITH WHICH GO AGAINST YOUR BELEIVES IS REGARDED
AS CORRUPTED IS THAT THE CRITERIA? BE SENSIBLE DON'T DENY FACTS IT WILL
OTHERWISE LEAD TO DISASTER. AND YOU WILL THAN GO ON DENYING EVERY THAT HADITH
NO MATTER HOW AUTHENTIC IT IS JUST TO HOLD YOUR FLASE BELEIVES.

M.H.A. MUNAWAR
   


 
>>2).  Placing his hand at the shoulder of Salman the Persian, the Holy Prophet
>>     (peace be upon him) is reported to have said
>>          "If faith would have ascended to Pleiades it would be brought back
>>           by a man from these."
>>                          (Bukhari, kitabut Tafseer Bab Tafseer Sura Jum'a).
> 
>    You still manage to find interesting translations, the Prophet said,
> " ... rijalun min ha'ula'i." "Rijalun" is plural of "rajulun", "rajulun"
> = man, "rijalun" = men. He said, "even if faith was in the Pleiades, it
> would be reached by men of these." Interpreted to mean, some non-Arabs
> would be good Muslims. Note that he did not say, it will be brought back,
> you are misguiding people. The Hadith meant the no matter how tough faith
> may be, some non-Arabs will be good Muslims. The Hadith did not mean that
> all non-Arab liars are prophets and devouts.
> 
>>I hope now Mr. Nabeel Ghulzan won't call me liar and also won't claim that
>>Mahdi and Promised Messiah are bound to be two different personalities.
> 
>    You still lie, and to may Hadiths about Mahdi are still contradictory;
> so I would still have my claims about you (please, be tolerant).
> 
>>Please note that I had already proved (last year I guess) that Hazrat Mirza
>>Ghulam Ahmed was of persian descent. Can repost if you ask. 
> 
>    If you "managed" to prove he was a prophet, while there are no prophets
> after Muhammad, and he was Jesus son of Mary [and many others], it does not
> surprise me that you be able to prove he was Gabriel, Adam, Eve or even God.
> [However, I challenge you to prove he was Nabeel Ghuzlaan!]
> Please, feel free to express your fertile imagination.
> 
>>Regards
>>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
> 
> **Nabeel (+= 0;)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 15:08:20 EDT
From: <AIK100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: BRITISH OPEN SQUASH CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL

Salam again,
            Here is the latest update on the British Open, Jansher Khan of PAK
has reached the final and will be playing the first time Final qualifier Chris
Robertson of Australia. Jansher had beaten the current World Champion Rodney
Martin also of Australia. The score was 5-9 , 9-1 , 9-5 , 4-9 , 9-4 . It was a
tough game for Jansher as Rodney was ranked World #3. Rodney took 25 Lets and
10 Strokes in the first game only before finally winning the first game, but
then Jansher took the charge.
                 In the other SF Chris Robertson(AUS) beat Chris Dittmar(AUS).
Dittmar is ranked world#4. The score is not yet available.
Now the Final is between Jansher Khan (PAK) And Chris Robertson(AUS)

                                                     Azhar Khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Re. Maudoodi and Minority relations: Who is right and wrong?
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:04:25 GMT

>	The question in front of Maudoodi was what will be your
>	treatment of minorities in `M' if `N' is persecuting the
>	Muslims and treating the Muslims as  ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.
>
>	His answer was, whatever the treatment of Muslims in `N',
>	even if  they are treated as ASHOOTS & MALEESHS, we can not
>	and will not sacrifice our "principles" and start
>	persecuting the minorities in `M'!!!!!!!!
>
>	So, you have in front of you yet another piece of
>	scholastic dis-honesty.
Well Maudoodi faced another question. Will you please tell what's his
answer, taking into consideration his whole philosophy.

Question: Will you accept muslims being treated in N as the others were being
treated in M?
If the answer is no: Maudoodi is a hypocryte;
If the answer is yes: then what arguement do you have on the Israel's current
treatment of Arab citizens (if you have any)
>
Arindam
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Through QADIANIS away
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:39:15 GMT

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:


>Altaf,
>Get a life babe.
this means Altaf get married!

>I direct thee to my ``open letter'' still on the net.

letter has been closed and mailed already.

>Either prove your claim that Ahmadis are non-Muslims and their
>beliefs are anti-Islam from Quran or Shut Up.  

this is not Customs Lost Baggage where you can claim, if the suitcase
has been lost then it is lost, only can claim $20/lbs.
 
will be shutting up for prayers soon and from which Quran? mine or
yours!

>Isn't it strange

curtis strange! or strange phenomena.

>that every body comes up and calls us Ahmadis Non-Muslim and
>Hazrat Ahmad an imposter but can't prove the claim. 

i just said kumbakht, jhunum wasil, iblis - standard terminology used by
SAS against an unwanted Bahu.

and addressed you all as dear, cutiepie, Dr., and may be future companions
of MIRZA - again standard terminology used by a SAS for a Dr. Bahu, except
for last part where SAS is jealous of Bahu's education.

Well here is
>a little secret for you---if you keep on following your maulvis
>with blind folded eyes, this is bound to happen. And just to get
>a real life falvour of the type of knowledge your maulvis posses
>and distribute, read a (now classic) letter posted by Jafry a few
>weeks ago.

well you know these maulvis anything is possible with them, especially
see a maulvi walking a tight rope blind folded then you'll understand.

and Jafry is no Shakespeare to produce classics, he is just another
who you might thank on the DAY.

>loosen up!! Islam has already suffered *A LOT* at hands of people 
>like yourself.

i have already touched my toes forty times, and Islam is beside me
pumping away the iron, he had suffered earlier when he wasn't loosened up
i loosened him up with my own hands.

message for ummmm!!Noor
  [ find a girl settle down, if you want you can Marry,
		look at me I am old, but I am happy,
	take your time, think A LOT, think of everything you've got] 

Murad [from lime to sub-lime] Mirza.
From: khan@davidsys.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Da'wah to American Indians
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:22:25 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

  Has anyone here, or anyone you might know of,
been involved, or has thought of, doing Da'wah
to the American Indian people?
  Can anyone provide info regarding locations
of Indian reservations, experiences contacting
the people, etc. The American Indians were a proud
people who lived in harmony with nature,
and were peaceful rather than 'violent' as
depicted in those westerns. In fact, someone
has told me that the American Indians had their
own Prophet or Messenger from Allah [swt].
Does anyone notice that the range of mountains
on the eastern US is named 'Allegheny', 
sounds like 'Allah Ghani'.