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From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: What is NZ TV? NTSC? PAL? SECAM
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 01:39:49 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood) writes:

> There is also a PAL System N used in parts of South America.

If the info I have on South American TV is correct, PAL N is a modified
version of NTSC.
ie: 525 lines, 60 Hz, 3.57Mhz luminance/chrominance intercarrier spacing
    but PAL coding.

This is perfectly feasable, as PAL is an enhancement of NTSC, and the
reason for the colourburst frequency being different between most
systems is due to the difference between 525line 60Hz and 625line 50Hz.

( I have seen 625 line 50Hz NTSC. That is what multistandard monitors
  refer to when they mention NTSC 4.43 )

The difference between PAL B and G is immaterial these days, as almost
all TV tuners are continuously tunable, whereas in the (bad) old days,
it would have made a big difference to rotary tuners.

On a happier note for the world TV and video market, it would seem that
a lot of manufacturers are changing to multistandard decoders, with
universal power supplies. It does make sense, as then they don't have to
produce up to 20 varients of each model.




dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
From: s892780@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Kwan S. Ooi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: A Trip to New Zealand
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:50:34 GMT


    We (3 of us) are planning to go to New Zealand in Jan 1993 (will be 
  at the very beginning of Jan.
    We are all very poor students who would like to go for a cheap trip.
    We would appreciate if someone can offer us a place to stay at a
    reasonable price, coz, we couldn't afford to stay in Hotels.
    We will spend only 3-4 days the most at one destination.

    Any information are welcome !! please mail me at 
              s892780@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au.
    OR
              s892780@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au.


    THANKS!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions for Kiwis
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:23:41 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <60768@mimsy.umd.edu> moir@cs.umd.edu (Mark Moir) writes:
>
>Seriously, watch out for sunburn.  The amount of damaging UV that makes it
>through our nice clean air, is a lot (44%) higher than similar latitudes
>in the northen hemishpere.  Hope you enjoy your visit.
>

This may not be news in the Northern Hemisphere so.  The research planes
started this years season over the Antarctic this week.  They have discovered 
that the >50% Ozone depleted 'hole' forming earlier than last year and is 3
times larger than the U.S.A ( mind you so is Antarctica ).  They were 
expecting the same amount of depletion as this time last year and are now 
revising their models.  Mind you this is from National TV news so may be a 
little garbled in the translation.

Be careful out there in the sun.  You can get very sunburnt on a cloudy day
(believe it - I didn't and learned the hard way).  Be especially careful 
of those 'sensitive' little places if you find one of the nudist beaches....


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Ontario "socialism"
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:29:59 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Sep26.160351.43895@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett) writes:
>Am I the only one who remembers that Ontario voted for a *change* from the
>Liberals?  

Our parliamentary system was designed on the assumption that there would
only be two political parties.  Since there are three major parties plus
a number of fringe parties we now have this ridiculous situation in
which a party can get a majority with considerably less than 50% of the
vote.  That's what happened -- the NDP got a majority government with only
31% of the vote!  69% of the electorate indicated that they DID NOT want 
an NDP government.

>And be honest-- isn't it refreshing to have a government that
>believes *something*?  At least sort of?

I'd rather have a government that is responsible to the people.
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"Why can't we just forget about our constitutional problems and go canoeing?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.general
From: dbowman@warp (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: I was going to vote yes, BUT NOW ....
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:52:38 GMT

Paul Ward (ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: In article <BvCupK.1K5@animal.er.bell.ca> alex@animal.Bell.CA (Alex Laney) writes:
: >
: >This referendum is our 'third at-bat'. Don't make it three strikes and
: >you're out. Vote yes despite the politicians, the interest groups, etc. These
: >are the divisive forces.
: 
: So it doesn't matter what's in the deal - just vote yes, 'cause it's
: our last chance.  No thanks.  I think the pitcher threw this one wild!
: I'm not going to make a "ball" into a "strike".

Of course it matters whats in the deal. He's saying don't through this out
because you despise the politicians. Vote on the basis of the accord. There
is so little in it that anyone could disagree with (in my opinion, of course).

--
Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: I was going to vote yes, BUT NOW ....
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:22:56 GMT

In article <BvIJJp.25p.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>In article <BvI85F.DBw@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
>
>   Yes, I noticed that too.  Funnily enough, though, I didn't notice
>   the double majority required for anglophone senators when the issue
>   pertains to ENGLISH language or culture.  Seems to me, we don't decide
>   their culture, but they decide ours.
>
>Not quite.  It specifies a "Double Majority", which means that it must
>have a majority of BOTH anglophone and francophone (or European and
>Native) senators to pass.
>
I believe the double majority required is (a) a majority of francophone
senators, and (b) a majority of *all* senators.  No mention is made
of anglophone senators.

I think definition of who is a francophone will be somewhat problem-
atic.  By the dictionary definition, it could include anyone who
speaks French.  Could I claim to be a francophone, if I were to
become a Senator?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Ontario "socialism"
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:38:22 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep28.133817.26019@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> 
> On the contrary, try Howard Levitt's article in the Toronto Star
> on page C1 of the Toronto Star, Sept. 28, 1992.
> "Why Companies will leave Ontario"
> 
> Gerald
> 

The TORStar is run by business stooges for business.....(there...that ought to
either open some eyes, or inflame some folk who want to pretend otherwise.)
 
Steve


-- 
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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            | looks like we may get a more  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Status Quo
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:49:51 GMT

In article <BvF29x.H8F.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>
>A NO vote might just as easily see the dollar remain below 80c, or
>drop even further.  The Bank of Canada would be forced to raise
>interest rates to keep the bottom from falling out.  Higher interest
>rates will make it harder to come out of the recession.
>

Canada is not going to fall apart on Oct 27...and there is no
imminent prospect of a sovereignty referendum.  In the immediate
aftermath, the country goes into the federal election runup...
there is nothing like elections to turn stormy skies into
blue skies in the eyes of politicians.  Constitutional negotiations
get set aside until the election cycle is over, which means all
economy and a constitutional truce until 1994.

>Note also that significant national business interests, such as the
>Canadian Chamber of Commerce and the Royal Bank of Canada, prefer the
>economic outlook resulting from a YES vote.
>

Exactly when have the Chamber of Commerce and the Royal Bank have
had the best interests of ordinary Canadians in mind...these groups
from quarterly bottomlines to worry about...ordinary Canadians have
to think about posterity.  The Royal Bank is one of the most
continentalist Canadian institutions...it basically wouldn't give
a damn whether the border existed or not.

Gerald
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:7100 can.politics:7741 can.general:4709
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.general
Subject: Re: I was going to vote yes, BUT NOW ....
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:07:34 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

mousseau@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Mike Thorpe) writes:

>	L'idee meme de droit collectif forme la base de la difference
>entre le Canada et les Etats-Unis.  Il ne faut toutefois pas meprendre le
>droit collectif et le droit des minorites (associe ici plutot cavalierement
>avec l'apartheid).  Contrairement a la charte des droits de la personne, le 
>droit collectif impose des devoirs a l'individu envers ses concitoyens,

There is some truth to that.  The state or "the collectivity" has the right to
make demands of the individual.  Taxation is a collective right.  Such rights
are implicit in every governing regime, democratic or totalitarian.

The other contributor's comparison with apartheid referred to the other kind
of collective right: rights that *individuals* can claim because they belong
to a particular group.  These are member's rights, or discriminatory rights.
(In Canada, members -- E.g. Canadian citizens, aboriginals, provincial residents,
old-stock anglophones -- have special rights that non-members -- landed
immigrants, whites, non-residents, non-anglophones -- do not have.
The Charlottetown Accord would expand aboriginal rights, and create new rights
for francophone and female Senators.  This is still far from being "apartheid".)

>	En fait, l'adoption de la charte canadienne des droits et libertes
>m'a toujours deplu.  Jusqu'alors, la societe canadienne avait comme but 
>l'equilibre entre les droits individuels et collectifs.  La charte vient 
>destabiliser tout ca, comme le montre le recent jugement de la cour supreme
>en faveur de la pleine liberte d'expression (publication diffamatoire)
>au lieu de la paix sociale.
>	Normand Mousseau

I do not think the Charter is too strong.  McCarthy is as much a threat
as Zundel... except that he's dead. :-)

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
Montreal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: baljeual@uther.calvin.edu (Alan Baljeu)
Subject: Charlottetown accord (was "What happens on October 26?")
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:57:08 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The referendum question is something awfully close to:
>"Do you agree that the constitution of Canada should be renewed on
>the basis of the accord reached in Charlottetown on August 28?"
Still unclear. What was the accord?  Who drew it?

>The other questions you ask depend on whom you trust and believe,
>on your assessment of the political and economic situation, etc.
>I will vote NO...because I believe the Charlottetown Accord is
>disastrous for Canada,
>because it doesn't solve the Quebec "problem",         
you mean "distinct society?"

>because it weakens individual and democratic rights, 
how?

>because it sets the stage
>for further western alienation and perhaps a new separatist movement
>which may arise from the entrenched underrepresentation of BC and Alberta 
>in the House of Commons (and which will worsen over time),
really? how so?

>and because it fail to make the constitutional changes necessary for
>Canada to meet the economic challenges we face in the near and
>long term future.

So what happens if NO occurs? Any guesses?

	Alan Baljeu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.cis
From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:33:11 GMT

I just started to stick some old postcards on the wall at home and found
it growing into a very interesting collage, or wallpaper of sorts even. A 
great deal of interest value and a dash of nostalgia for me personally as 
well. Now although I had a fair stack, I was a little surprised at how small 
a postcard is and how large a wall is. 

So, I'd like to invite you to send me a postcard for which I will:

a) be eternally grateful
b) send one back (if desired)
c) invite you around for a cup of tea, a chat and even to stay a few days 
   (if you like ...)

Just think, you'll make your mark on my wall, and my life, and maybe
even make a friend for life. Or then again, maybe just a postcard for
your own wall ;-).

To join the revolution, just mail a postcard to me here:

Bernd Wechner
5 Charles Avenue
Minnamurra 2532
Australia

Remembering to include your own name and address if you like and see
what interesting things you can add to that. 

All the best then, and here's hoping we have some friendly people with
some motivation in the audience tonight ;-).

Ciao,

Bernd.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: I was going to vote yes, BUT NOW ....
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:04:24 GMT

In article <VieRRB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>Let really protest this FARCE of a referendum.  Just simply abstain.
>

Abstaining is as bad as a "yes" vote...the only way to send a message to the
politicians is to vote "no"...abstaining will only encourage them 
to continue as a "yes" vote will.  

Make them worry about their jobs...vote "no".  

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Ontario "socialism"
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:26:50 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The solution to the funding crisis in higher education is to reform
>the way it is financed.  The solution I would advocate is to replace
>direct government funding of universities with a student voucher 
>system, where any qualified student would be eligible for voucher
>to spend at the institution of their choice...the voucher would
>be considered a loan which could be paid back by paying back the
>loan directly, specified types of service, or through a higher
>marginal income tax rate for a period of time.

>There would be several advantages to such a system, the most important
>being that institutions would have to compete for students to get
>their financing, and this would lead to a greater emphasis on
>quality teaching...       

I'm debating as to whether this is simply a red herring or not.  When I
went to university in Ontario (as late as the mid-1980's), you had to 
*apply* to get in.  And universities were funded according to the number of
students they got (FCE's, or full course equivalents, they were called).
So if universities are still primarily paid according to the number of students,what is the big difference advocated by Gerald?

Secondly, I find it difficult to believe that further emphasis on packing the
students in will really improve education.  What it means is that universities
become economically viable when they have large lectures and few highly paid
staff (and *don't* give me grief on this-- I am watching it here in England.
Apart from Oxford and Cambridge, I have grave reservations about whether one
can get what we from Ontario would consider a quality undergraduate education
here.  And notice that Oxford and Cambridge have lots of money from 
endowments-- they are financially the institutions *least* dependent on 
student enrolment for their economic continuation).

peter.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:7134 can.politics:7825
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Ontario "socialism"
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:37:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: VM1.02OCT92.13642496.0092
Organization: McGill University

In article <3336@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>
>I remember things going like this:
>    1) Election:  everybody hates Billy so Peter is elected
>    2) Billy retires

         subsequent events deleted
>
You remember wrong.  First Billy (Davis) retired, and was replaced
by Frank Miller.  Not everyone hated Frank, and the subsequent election
did not produce a majority for any party.  It was as a result of a deal
between the Liberals and the NDP that (David) Peter(son) became Premier.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6917 can.politics:7371
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Ontario "socialism"
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:56:28 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep26.160351.43895@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett) writes:
> Chris Retterath writes:  "State centralized is a very good term for Ontario.
> I'm not the only one who refers to it as our own `People's Republic'."  And
> then goes on to list a whole range of "socialist" measures.
> 
> Chris, Darling--
> 
> My heart is set fluttering.  So many of my NDP friends whine incessantly that
> the Rae government has done nothing.  And there you come to set us all right.
> I trust all whining New Democrats will hang their heads in shame, when
> confronted with your litany of factors showing a government with some at least
> passing commitment to social justice, not merely to the greed of the wealthy.
> 
> Am I the only one who remembers that Ontario voted for a *change* from the
> Liberals?  And be honest-- isn't it refreshing to have a government that
> believes *something*?  At least sort of?
> 
> peter bartlett.

I agree with you, Peter. My mother voted NDP last time 'round and that is
exactly why she did it.  
 
The "ND'ers are commies" red-baiter brigade only show how narrow their own
experience of life is.....
 
Why do I say that? Well.....after you've received the sharp end of a few of
life's "sticks", you begin to understand that the econo-drones haven't a clue
what real life is all about. Finally, Ontario has a government that
ackowledges the humanity of it's citizens - to a greater degree than any
government in the past 30 years......
 
But, hey, that's just my opinion. I'm far away, but I hear you all. :-)
 
Steve


-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            | looks like we may get a more  
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:7049 can.politics:7599
From: ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: The Accord and BC
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:20:42 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <BvEG0E.5p1@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman) writes:
>Paul A.S. Ward (pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
>: In article <BvCsEq.5rt@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman) writes:
>: >
>: >BC is very unlikely to join the US. Like all Canadians, the people of British
>: >Columbia are very attached to Health Care. Under US rule, they would be
>: >unable to have this.
>: 
>: Whether or not they would join the US, if they did it does not mean that
>: they would have to give up medicare.  Did you know Hawaii has a medicare
>: equivalent?
>
>Medicare is funded through federal transfer payments from income tax. Many
>states have what they call medicare (California does too) but it only covers
>some 10% of the population, and doesn't cover many procedures. Additionally,
>many doctors and hospitals do not accept it.
>
>Where do you think BC would get the money to fund it? If BC had medicare, do

Well, where do you think the federal gov't get income tax from anyway?  
From, amongst others, the people of BC.  There not going to continue
paying into the Canadian kitty if they leave, you know.  So what will
happen to all the income tax that BCers pay at present - simple, it will
go to the local provincial gov't to pay for medicare.

You will find that either the people of a given province are paying
more than, less than or exactly equal to, what they receive from the feds.
In the case of BC, it is almost certainly more than.  So they would 
not have any difficulty funding medicare.
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada's country code?
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:25:55 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep26.000605.16316@cs.mun.ca>, carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Carlos Borges) writes:
> Anyone know what Canada's "Country Code" is?
> If I was in Europe, for example, and I wanted to call Canada,
> what would the code be?  Does this differ from country to country?
> Or is there a "Standard" country-code list somewhere?
> -- 
>    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>   // C. Miguel Borges               A.K.A.                Carlos M. Borges //
>  // an630@cleveland.freenet.edu                 carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca //
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

In NZ most country codes are listed in the front of the phone
book. The country code for Canada is "1" as is the country code
for the USA. Draw any conclusions that you like!
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
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