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From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Some call me...Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Conventions from hell.
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:28:03 GMT
     <quJuPB1w165w@xocolatl.com>
Organization: Leapers For a Better Yesterday

eoin@xocolatl.com writes:
>So unless someone with deep pockets wants to run it, TimeCon/ConFused
>is a dead convention, it has gone to meet it maker, it is deceased.

...this is an ex-con!

Well, maybe not.

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 side by side we are united,
 we will never be divided...."

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From: sblh@s24.msi.umn.edu (Susan Levy Haskell)
Subject: Re: ReinConation Oops
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:23:04 GMT

mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis) writes:

>Hi folks. I tried to make reservations in the Radisson for ReinConation 
>this morning and the hotel says they're booked solid. I'll make a 
>reservation in the overflow, but if anyone out in netland is in need of a 
>roommate for their Radisson room, drop me a line.
>
Yep, they are indeed booked solid, but if you called other than during
weekday business hours, try again.  They've had a few troubles this year
with misquoting room rates (by 40%) & may not have released the parlors
for rent when last you called.

Good luck,

-susan 
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From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: ConClave
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:33:19 GMT

I got a postcard from ConClave a couple months back.  It  mentioned that
advance memberships are $15, "higher at the door".

      How high is "higher"?
      When's the cutoff date for pre-reg?

I need a con fix!  I can't believe it's been since Minicon last April...

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From: bethmo@microsoft.com (Beth Moursund)
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:51:25 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

The majority of the conventions around here serve pop by the glass, not
by the can, using the same sort of canisters and taps that you see
in fast-food places.  I've been told that it's a lot cheaper that way.
I asked the one that was still using cans why they hadn't switched,
and they said the hotel wouldn't let them.

Even if the cost were the same I vastly prefer the tap arrangement.  I
usually can't drink a whole can of pop, and I hate to waste it.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.fandom:972 alt.fandom.cons:278
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom,alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Contradiction?
Keywords: @!, net.people, room, ride
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:11:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

I'm going to be in Toronto with my ProblemOlderWoman Oct. 1-4, and some
net.people are trying to persuade us to go to Contradiction.  I guess
I'd like to go, but we're not wild about the drive (2 hours?), and we
don't have a room yet.

So....who's planning on going there, and is there any way we can hitch a
ride there, at least (we'll probably come back early, but we may be able
to rent a car or something for that)?  Is anyone planning an @! party?  
Is the filking going to be any good?  (I know C.J. Cherryh'll be there, 
but that's not proof....)
-- 
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So much Astroglide.  So little time.
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From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:16:07 GMT

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) publicly declared:
>I've heard a general agreement from people who've been there on a couple of
>occasions, that if you don't already know the people who are at a Minicon,
>don't bother to go.  Why?  You'll probably be ignored, since most of the
>Minicon attendees already know each other, and haven't seen each other since
>the last time they bumped across in the fen circut..
>
>So I'm wondering (from an attendee who obviously LIKES it) if you feel that
>this is an accurate opnion...

Well, I may be a bad one to ask on this.  I've attended the past eight
Minicons.  In fact, Minicon was my first exposure to conventions, back
in '85.  I was part of the PFRC (Michigan Tech's SF club) at the time.
(Still am, actually.)  Minicon is like Mecca for that group, each of us
kneeling in the direction of Minneapolis every sunrise...  Anyway,
although it was my first con I already had a ready-made clique to hang
out with: All the PFRC people and the PFRC alumni and all the people
they knew.

I'd say that most people at Minicon have been there before, and know
just a heckuvalot of other people there.  Attending it for the first
time can be like attending someone else's family reunion.  I like to
think we're mostly friendly towards new faces, but the level of inside
jokes may be too daunting for a lot of people.  I always end up meeting
new people, so I know that we're not completely unapproachable.

Minicon is BIG.  Not so big as a worldcon, but definately the biggest
non-worldcon I've ever seen.  It's impossible to know everyone, though
you recognize a lot of faces.  I wouldn't recommend it as anyone's first
con unless they're there with people who've been to Minicon before.  (I
usually bring one or two neos with me, and they all have a good time.)
If you're already comfortable at cons I doubt you'll have problems
finding people to talk to at Minicon.  You especially, Krikket.  You're
known in Chicago, and Minicon pulls a large Chicago crowd.

>BTW:  As a sidenote to someone who mentioned Minicon using Coke Pre-Mix a few
>messages back...  I'm kinda suprised actually.  For ChiCon V, the ConCom
>attempted to get Pre-Mix from Coke directly, but Coke said that a WorldCon
>isn't big enough for them to bother with.  :)

Guess that tell you how big Minicon really is, now doesn't it?  :-)  I
was at ChiCon, and except for the Baderbrau and italian ice I was less
than impressed with the consuite.  Too small, and no ventilation
whatsoever!  I could never stay in there for more than five or ten
minutes, the eau du fen was too powerful.

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From: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Next Shuttle launch (was Re: MagiCon Weather Report)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <1595@tnc.UUCP>, m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) writes:
>
>re: Zero Gee Human Reproductive Experiment
>
>Not on this flight.  The prudes at NASA have put them on opposite
>shifts.  This I think is in retaliation for them having gotten hitched
>after the crew announcement had been made.
>
>Besides, according to rumor, it's already been done on both the shuttle
>and MIR.
>
Naive question: Weren't all the cosmonauts on Mir male?
From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Date: 31 Aug 1992 14:51:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Materials Research Labs Cent. for Computation, Operations Office
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: uimrli.mrl.uiuc.edu

This past year we went out and found that getting cans from the local
XXXXXX (shameless plug deleted) warehouse was pretty simple.

Hauling it to the con was no problem (It was only a couple miles). 

As was said before, if you can make it work, send me a quote and I will
get it to the proper people (email is faster than US mail...and cheaper for
most people).

As far as "making money off fandom" goes, Im all for it.  I dont really see it
as sponging money off people who already are mostly broke but free enterprise.
If it works and saves someone money, great.  If it doesnt save money, then most
concoms wont eat the cost to use your service.  Most, well, at least our
convention,
wont pass the "savings" on to the attendees.

Truthfully, I dont think it will work.  But that is neither here nor there,
if you feel
it works, then dont let ANYONE sway you away from your goals. 



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From: rcampb@u.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: ConFrancisco Memberships - How many expected?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:01:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.140151.7393
Organization: UW Information Systems

I just got the receipts for memberships for my fiance and myself for 
ConFrancisco (very quick service by the way; my compliments to the organizers)
and what appears to be the member numbers on the slips would seem to 
indicate brisk sales even this far ahead.  My numbers are 3139 & 40!  
I'm curious how many memberships have already been sold and how many 
are anticipated for ConFrancisco.

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From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: ReinConation Oops
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:54:29 GMT

mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis) publicly declared:
>Hi folks. I tried to make reservations in the Radisson for ReinConation 
>this morning and the hotel says they're booked solid. I'll make a 
>reservation in the overflow, but if anyone out in netland is in need of a 
>roommate for their Radisson room, drop me a line.

ReinConation booked the Radison solid?!!?  Either the hotel is
double-booking conventions again, or this doesn't look like it's going
to the the small, intimate relaxacon it's billed as...

Minicon II: Because once a year just isn't enough?  :-)

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From: betsy@access.digex.com (Betsy Marks)
Subject: Re: Magicon Membership <<<WANTED!!!>>>
Summary: Got one!
Keywords: Wanted Magicon Membership
Organization: Express Access, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:32:34 GMT

Got one!  Thanks for the help.

See you in Orlando, or not.

-betsy {Araminta, Goddess of Phonelists}

     <betsy@access.digex.com   h) 202/244-2958   w) 202/554-9066 x262>
From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: toronto oct. 15, 92
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:36:58 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

There is an item in the August 25th, Toronto Star that everyone
interested in SF, in the Toronto area should be aware of. The item
is as follows:

    Science Fiction greats come to praise Merril

       Judith Merril, one Canada's leading science fiction authors
    and anthologists, will be honored at a special literary event
    as part of this falls International Festival of Authors.
       Merril, who immigrated to Toronto from the United States in
    1968, was a pioneer in exploring feminist issues in science
    fiction and was a driving force behind sf's new wave in the
    1960s.
       The enormous collection of books and magazines that she
    brought from the U.S. bacame the basis of the Toronto Public
    Library system's Merril Collection (originally known as the
    Spaced Out Library), one of the world's largest publicly
    accessible sf libraries.
       On hand to pay tribute to Merril will be authors Michael
    Moorcock, Frederik Pohl, Samuel Delaney, Spider Robinson,
    Elizabeth Vonarburg, John Robert Colombo, Katherine MacLean
    and Pierre Berton.
       The event takes place Oct. 15 at 8 p.m. in the Premiere
    Dance Theatre at Harbourfront Centre's Queen's Quay Terminal.
    Tickets are $6 and are available at the Harbourfront Box
    Office (973-4000).

The above is exactly the way the story ran in the paper. I have some
qualms about some bits (John Robert Colombo, one of the greats? NOT.).
As well, Pierre Berton is a well known Canadian historian, but I am
not aware of him having any connection with SF. Still, for anyone who
will be Toronto Oct. 15, it looks like it may be a very good evening.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:01:35 -0400 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PhilCon & DarkoverCon

Does anyone have the pre-reg dates/rates & address to mail $$$ for to these?

Thanks in advance!
From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: ReinConation Oops
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:12:30 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/UseNet - +1 415 968 8140

Hi folks. I tried to make reservations in the Radisson for ReinConation 
this morning and the hotel says they're booked solid. I'll make a 
reservation in the overflow, but if anyone out in netland is in need of a 
roommate for their Radisson room, drop me a line.
 
Thanks.

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mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org - Michael Wallis
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:54:07 GMT

In article <5699@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
(Jim Mann) writes:

>> 2.     On the first complaint of a party room, the room will be
>> evicted and all the occupants will be escorted off property.
>
>Agreed, this is too harsh. However, if you replace first with
>second, I don't have too much of a problem with it.

Closing the party on the second complaint is reasonable.  Evicting the
occupants is not, and is probably illegal.

>> 3.     At anytime that any guest rooms (Other than suites) have  
>more
>> than four occupants, the room will be evicted to prevent fire and
>> safety violations.  Maximum occupancy in a guest room is four.
>
>I don't think this rule means visitors as in folks dropping
>by during parties.  This means that their biggest room is a quad,
>and they don't want 10 people crashing there. This is a rule
>at all hotels.

What do you think the signs in the ballrooms that say "Occupancy by
more than 350 people prohibited by law" mean?

>> 4.     After 2AM, any room found having more occupants in the room
>> than it is actually registered to have will be forced to pay for
>> the additional guest or be evicted from the hotel.
>
>This seems like an elaboration on number 3.

No, number 3 applied to more than 4 people physically present "at any
time"; this prohibits (e.g.) 2 people in a single.

>Sounds like an overreaction.  However, they need to replace it
>with a rule that does rule out sex or sexual foreplay in the
>halls.

Define "sexual foreplay".  And don't try to tell me "I know it when I
see it."  You don't.  People are weird.  And fans are weirder.

> (But then again,
>I've never understood why someone would want to wear something
>whose main purpose is to try to offend someone else.)

I remember the LACon II t-shirt with the quotes from 1984 on the back
("War is Peace.  Freedom is Slavery.  Ignorance is Strength.  Shit is
Shinola.")

>> 11.    The pool, jacuzzi and weight room are for registered hotel
>> guest only.  Violators found using our guest facilities will be
>> escorted off property for the rest of the Con.

Notice that you must wear shoes and shirt in the jacuzzi.  (Oops, I
deleted that paragraph.  Well, it said anyplace other than the pool.)

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Convention Supplies
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:32:50 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Sep1.193838.10393@rtsg.mot.com>, king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven
King, Software Archaeologist) writes:

>Minicon has, In My Not-So-Humble Opinion, the best consuite known to
>mankind.  This is partly due to the physical space in the hotel (the
>consuite is the entire 22nd floor, half of which is a single large
>room) but mostly due to the parties committee and the dedication to
>keep it up and running 24 hours.  Thanks, guys!

Hmmm...  A question, since you have been at a Minicon before...

I've heard a general agreement from people who've been there on a couple of
occasions, that if you don't already know the people who are at a Minicon,
don't bother to go.  Why?  You'll probably be ignored, since most of the
Minicon attendees already know each other, and haven't seen each other since
the last time they bumped across in the fen circut..

So I'm wondering (from an attendee who obviously LIKES it) if you feel that
this is an accurate opnion...

BTW:  As a sidenote to someone who mentioned Minicon using Coke Pre-Mix a few
messages back...  I'm kinda suprised actually.  For ChiCon V, the ConCom
attempted to get Pre-Mix from Coke directly, but Coke said that a WorldCon
isn't big enough for them to bother with.  :)

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From: eskridge@access.digex.com (C/D Eskridge)
Subject: Re: PhilCon & DarkoverCon
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:36:38 GMT

Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone have the pre-reg dates/rates & address to mail $$$ for to these?
I can help you with PhilCon:

Dates of con: November 13 - 15, 1992
Registration: $20 thru September 15
              $25 thru November 1
              $30 after November 1 and at door
              Children boorn after 11/15/86 free w/adult
              Children 6-12 w/adult $15, at all times
              Babysitting is available for children aged 0-7; the babysitting
               fee includes the child's membership, regardless of age -
               $30 per child or $15 per child ass part of a parent's co-op
               (must spend 2hrs per child helping out in babysitting).
               Hours are 3pm-5pm and 6pm-midnight on Friday, 9am-5pm and
               6pm-midnight on Saturday, and 9am-3pm on Sunday.
               You must pick up your child for the dinner hour on Friday and
               Saturday and you must feed your children all other meals.
               Juice and crackers will be available for snacks. Philcon
               reserves the right to refuse to provide babysitting services
               or end services to any child when they feel it is appropriate. 
Contact address:
         Philcon Registration
         P.O. Box 8303
         Philadelphia, PA 19101

         Chair: Anne Norton (609) 764-8294
         make checks payable to: Phila. Science Fiction Society

Room info: reservations must be received by 10/23/92
           deposit refundable if reservations canceled by 6pm of
           day of arrival
          call (800)231-5858 or (215)581-5000 Adam's Mark Hotel
          rates do not include tax, rooms subject to Phila. & PA tax
          children under 18 free with parent
          contact Philcon committee for suites - suites arranged directly
          subject to cancellation
          rates: single $98
                 double $105
                 triple $112
                 quad $120
                 suites starting at $160
                 cots (per stay) $15
            < rates per day unless noted otherwise >
           

All convention areas will be cleared and closed at 3:00 am each morning, so
be sure you have a room or a way to get home.
Also, at the request of the hotel, we request that all parties also close
by 3:00 am.


This year they are testing out a Roommate Matching Service - if you are
interested, write to the PO box and list the dates you will be arriving
and departing, the type of room you wnat (quiet/party, smoking/non), and
whether you are willing to share with a member of the opposite sex.
They will make every effort to find someone who meets your requirements,
but do not guarantee success. Please act quickly because you still have
to send in the reservation form <or call> before the deadline to the
hotel yourself, once you receive a roommate.
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From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Next Shuttle launch (was Re: MagiCon Weather Report)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:22:13 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug24.153820.3247@newsance.att.com>, kimi@newsance.att.com (Kimiye Tipton;ball of confusion;net nemesis;407-660-6472) writes:
> The space shuttle (Endeavour, I think) was due to launch Tuesday, but
> workers were battening down the hatches in case we had bad weather.  No
> word yet on whether it will be delayed while they unbatten.  I'll post
> if there's interest from those who may luck out and get here early
> enough to catch a launch or a landing.

Kimiye, this doesn't seem right.   An official launch date had not been set,
but they were shooting for Friday, 11 September before the hurricane.  The
mission is STS-47 aboard *Endeavour*, carrying a Spacelab module for
Japanese experiments, with seven astronauts aboard (including the
first married couple in space and a Chicagoan, Dr. Mae Jemison).

For up-to-date information on launches, call call (407) 867-INFO
(867-4636) at Kennedy Space Center.

The hotline says there's a Delta comsat launch from Complex 17, Pad B,
scheduled for 31 August, and Mars Observer aboard a Titan from Complex
40 on 16 September.

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