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Subject: Re: "Imzadi" and "Man of The People"
From: Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:02:26 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92285.162100LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>While watching the episode "MofTP" I thought I heard Troi and Riker
>refer to each other as Imzadi I know by reading the jacket of the book
>that this is a name they have for each other special conotations etc.
>
>My question is has this been established in other episodes or just in
>the book and drawn into this episode.  In case you missed it, it was
>just before she scratched him.
>
>Thanks,    Larry

The term "Imzadi" has been used for quite some time now between Troi and Riker.
I think it even dates back to the first season.  Can anyone out there name the
first episode where the term "Imzadi" was used??  (I'll shoot myself with my
phaser if it turns out to be "Encounter at Farpoint.")


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You mean "Dreary Erie, the Mistake by the Lake?"      <<==

P.S. Just kidding! :-))  I'm a Behrend alumnus myself!!!


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

[Warning: I'm deliberately overreacting here, since I'm not in much of a
mood to suffer fools, gladly or otherwise, today.]

In <1992Oct13.171059.20332@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) produces the inevitable reply:
>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>>:)quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>>:)ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>>:)reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>>:)reviews from this site.

>	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>take this newsgroup BACK!

How about we have real fans of Star Trek (the *real* series, not the
pretender, TNG) take this newsgroup back?

>			    Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
>purpose in life is to tear down the work of others.

TNG has done its tearing down all by itself, I should point out.  We're just
reacting to the tripe that permeates the series.

>							TNG is among the
>top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
>all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.

Now THIS is faint praise!  Yeah, I guess rotten cheese does smell more
pleasant than cow dung, but still, I wouldn't want it in my living room.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: TNG Movie -- running out of ideas?? (frivolous offshoot)
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.104224.16873@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:
>Spoilers removed... [stuff deleted]
>
>  Don't get me wrong - I would love to see a TNG movie - with
>more money being poured into the special effects, and more time
>to craft a decent story with good acting and a higher production
>standard than is possible on TV, a TNG movie would be a real
>Trek milestone ...
>  Opinions??
>

	How about a transporter (this is the trend, isn't it?) malfunction
which causes everyone to rematerialize as Counselor Troi? Ha ha ha ha ha!
Call it ST:TNG- AFFOT (A fist full of Trois).
[We now return you to your thread already in progress.]
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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Date: 11 Oct 1992 04:04:23 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <8525@orbit.cts.com> chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson) writes:
|
|                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
|
...
|127.  09/19/92  227  46001.3      Time's Arrow II
|128.  09/26/92  228  46041.1      Realm of Fear
|129.  10/03/92  229  46071.6      Man of the People
|130.  10/10/92  230               Relics
|131.  10/17/92  231               Schisms
|132.  10/24/92  232               Q-Me
|133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals
|134.  11/07/92  234               A Fistful of Datas
|135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life
|      11/21/92  227R 46001.3      Time's Arrow II
|      11/28/92  228R 46041.1      Realm of Fear
|      12/05/92  229R 46071.6      Man of the People
|

Why so many repeats? 
Isn't that only nine episodes--and at least two of them so so?
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: S.O.S.: Man of the People
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:39:01 GMT


Here we go again! (Oooh, ooh ooh :-)

Yes, it's that time of week once more.  Time for the Spoiler-Free
Opinion Summary!

This week's turnout was a bit better than last.  Let's see what we've
got...

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Tim Lynch       3.0/10.0        3.0       * * *
Mark Ruzon      6.5/10.0        6.5       * * * * * * Y
Jason Snell     C+              7.7       * * * * * * * X
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Average	                        5.7       * * * * * X
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Letter grades are converted to 10-scale using the following method:

A+  10.0    B+  8.7    C+  7.7    D+  6.7
A    9.5    B   8.5    C   7.5    D   6.5    F   1.0
A-   9.3    B-  8.3    C-  7.3    D-  6.3

[To my surprise, this system appears to have stirred up a bit of
 controversy on the net.  Anybody want to vote on the proper
 conversion?]

The symbols used for partial points are as follows:

0.1 - 0.2  `,'
0.3 - 0.4  `>'
0.5 - 0.6  `Y'
0.7 - 0.8  `X'
0.9 - 1.0  `*'

Thus ends another week of the S.O.S.  Polling for next week, the
fourth episode of this young season, begins now.

Joe
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Keywords: How
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.112051.10441@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>Good question, but it has to be no. When they originally made the episode they
>did not get permission to whoever owns the rights to things Sherlock Holmes
>related. They almost got sued! If they want to do another one they have to
>first get permission and they pay money for the right to use it. Since their
>budget per episode is so high as it is they probably won't do it anytime soon.

Interesting.  This is the second time someone has posted about legal
problems with using Sherlock Holmes characters.  Recently, however, I
just read that the copyrights and the characters have expired long ago,
and thus they can be freely used by anyone.  This is why, the story said,
there are many games involving Sherlock Holmes (this was from an article
in a video game magazine).

So does anyone know the real story?  Was Paramount almost sued, or not?

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From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:55:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct9.095520.4073
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

they brought back lore in an episode where dr. soong summond data (and thus
accidently, lore as well) because he was (finally) dying and wanted to give
data a chip that would give him emotions. lore shows up and explains that
he drifted through space for a while and then was picked up by a pacled
ship (they were the somewhat less then bright race that kidnapped geordi to
enhance their technological capabilites). knowing lore, he propably was the
sole inhabitant of the ship pretty soon afterwards.

as for tasha - i think denise crosby felt her character was being underused
or something and decided to quit the show (i may be wrong).

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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Subject: Guinna(?) meets Picard.... NOT!
Keywords: How
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:36:08 GMT

      Last night I saw a rerun of "The Child".  In one scene, Ensign Crusher
 was asking Guinna(??Whatever! Whoopie) about the first time she had met
 Picard.  She said it was on the Enterprise.  Well, in "Time's Arrow II" it
 turns out that they first met 500 years earlier.  Is this a script flaw or
 perhaps she didn't want to reveal future events, although she did so when
 she told Picard to go on the mission or else.   Sigh.

 Glenn........
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can'
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:38:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.122545.21307@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>
>Diane Duane (IMHO the BEST trek novel writer) is a real McCoy fan. She puts
>the good doctor behind enemy lines in the "The Romulan Way" and puts him
>in charge of the big E in "Doctors Orders".
>If you haven't read these books rush out and get them.

Duane has the best characterization of McCoy.  She writes him as an
intelligent person-- which he is, considering that he's a doctor and an
officer.  Too many other writers, and a few TOS episodes
(Operation::Annhilate springs to mind) portray McCoy as a bumbling fool,
which just isn't realistic for a man in his position.


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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Episode Title Changes Dept. (was Episode Q-Me is no more!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:57:34 GMT

In article <4263@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>Trivia question....

>Name the only other ST:TNG episode to have the title changed AFTER it was
>published in an official promotion department schedule.  What was the first
>title and what was the new title?


Oooh... I know! I know!  "Send in the Clones" was the original title
for "Up the Long Ladder" in the second season.


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:27:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct11.235528.7077@nmsu.edu> ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.203049.6551@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:

>>All I can say is that Data is the only one (except for maybe the M5) that
>>has been able to run the ship singlehandly. A couple times he had to take
>>over to a large or complete extent due to things humans were being afflicted
>>or affected by.

Oh, I don't know.  Data does not go to all the different stations to
do everything himself, he gets the computer to do it.  Anyone else who's
qualified enough to run the ship (ie Picard, Riker, Geordi, etc) could
do that.

>What is M5.

A robot from TOS.

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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.

My $0.02 worth concerning cable access:

Cable companies are a Value Added Reseller (VAR).  Your local cable company
provides a service.  You as a consumer have a choice to utilize this
service or not.  In the Dallas area we have the major three network
stations as well as several local or independent stations.  I can receive
these stations fairly well with my little rabbit ears antenna.

However, I also like to watch TBS from Atlanta and WGN from Chicago and CNN
and the Court Channel.  I can't get these stations without cable access
unless I go out and buy a satellite dish and my back yard isn't big enough
for that.

So, I subscribe to cable to receive all those out-of-town stations as well
as ST-TNG with crystal clear reception (that I don't get with my rabbit
ears).  If they should ever sell the rebroadcast rights to a station I
don't get...oh well...  But for now I get the Sci-Fi channel as well as so
many others I never get bored.

What really "burns my butt" though is the way the cable company and/or the
local government tack on little charges for this & that.  My bill just went
up about $0.68 per month to help support the local cable access channel.  I
don't *CARE* about the Plano council meetings and have *NO* desire to watch
it on TV.  Oh well...

I just thought of this...think of your cable company as a gateway to the
Internet.  Your machine runs just fine without Internet access but you get
a whole lot more information by having an Internet connection & that
connection isn't free!

IMHO...flame if you want but I'll be too busy to answer!
Ron
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From: David_Woodsworth@mindlink.bc.ca (David Woodsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SPOILEReview: "Man of the People"
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:26:08 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Charles Hessenius writes:
>
> Did anyone catch that Picard referred to transporter room THREE TWICE at
> the crucial time of beaming out the ambassador's aide?  He told room TWO to
> be ready.  Transporter room two was referred to throughout the episode.
> This
> isa relatively trivial point, but a stupid production error none the less.

Well, there was a time pause after Picard tells transporter room two to stand
by.  Perhaps transporter room two suddenly suffered some sort of problem,
making it unusable.  Then they would have had to switch to another
transporter room, in this case number three.

David Woodsworth

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From: ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner)
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People"
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date:  7 Oct 92 23:48:28 GMT

wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:

>*Spoilers*               

>

>A Few Random Comments:

>- The episode starts out as if it's going to be yet another Troi-falls-in- 
>love-with-visiting-ambassador episode.  Fortunately, that's not what it's
>about.
Thank you Paramount.  She had that look in her eye like she does when
any strange man comes on board --- "I want him".  I was going to
barf if it happened again.

[ other comments deleted ]

Another problem - 
	What about Aklar calling the first ``receptacle'' mother.  Why didn't
the girl complain about it, insist that she wasn't his mother?  Unknown.
And why didn't Troi use her magic powers and sense something wrong
with her?  Her neurotransmitters are 400% above normal, she exhibits ALL
the strange emotions coming from Aklar, but Troi doesn't notice a thing?

>- Somebody gets the drop on Worf yet again.  At least they're consistent.
Worf's role this week was just plain stupid.  Not even a struggle.

>All, in all, MotP wasn't awful, but it could have been a lot better.

>Grade: 6

>Jose Gonzalez                

- Dave
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: un: blowing up the borg (
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:20 EST

 -=> On 10-13-92  07:21, Joshua Bell babbled to All saying: <=-

 JB> Antimatter doesn't transport well in large quantities, and this
 JB> is what photon torpedoes use to cause damage.

Then what about transporting over a bomb like in "The High Ground"?


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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Stupid question about Peter David
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:40:15 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <BvuD1A.F75@world.std.com>, psybeast@world.std.com (The Unknown) writes:
> Are there plans for an "R" or "X" video for the masses??
> 
> Not that I want to see Star Trek become porno, but some extra steam would
> be nice...
> 
> PsyBeast
> 

	Think just a minute.  ST:TMP (the one that just about everybody would
like to forget was ever made anyway) was the last major motion picture released
with a "G" rating that wasn't specifically oriented towards children.  Consider
it to be some progress indeed just that it hit a "PG" rating, if that is
something that you can call "progress".



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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Riker's lust for the Enterprise
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:51:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.150404.16023@ncsu.edu> gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.174734.1823@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>Riker is an odd guy.  I think in he can manage people to a degree, but
>>he always looks to Picard first.  He has always bothered me.  I'm not
>>sure why I dislike him so much, but he's really not good in a true
>>command position.  I don't think he's all that sharp, for one thing.
>>And I don't think he has the shrewdness to go out and kill Picard just
>>so he can gain control of the E. He's not really a devious person.
>>He does make rash decisions, based on his own narrow perceptions
>>of events.  One prime example is 'Darmok', where Jean Luc really shines
>>through an impossible situation, and Riker, in his usual style, really
>>blows it.  I don't think he was trying to kill Picard then either, I
>>just don't think he has the smarts to figure things out well.  Killing
>>off someone is a cop out, but for Riker, maybe it's all he can reason out.
>>Shoot now, think later.
>
>I just don't understand why he keeps turning down other commands.  Does
>he really love serving on the Enterprise that much?  I mean, in the
>episodes that he did have to make some command decisions, he seemed
>to enjoy it.  I think he really wants a command, but he wants he command
>to be the Enterprise so he is just waiting for Picard to kick off.
>
>-Greg
>
>

I think the writers screwed up when they kept having
Riker turn down his own command.  Its impossible for
me to believe that he would keep doing this, and it not
hurt his career. I would think that Starfleet would 
stop offering him a command because he keeps turning
them down.  Looks 'chicken'if you ask me.  As many 'close
calls' as the Big-E has had,  I think it would have been
destroyed long ago if the irrational Riker was in command.
Maybe Riker feels the same way.

Rob
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