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From: chyang@orpington.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:10:27 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@orpington.engin.umich.edu


In article <ASH.92Nov17144216@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> In article <Bxtsvy.AC9@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> 
>   > In article <1992Nov16.122940.5631@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>    >>	Rose Bowl: Michigan (maybe they'll even win :)
>    >>	Citrus Bowl: Ohio State
>    >>	Holiday Bowl: Michigan State or Illinois
>    >>
>    >>	Ohio State locks the Citrus by having 8 wins, so even if they tie for
>    >>second or end up in third they'll still go.  Citrus has an 8-win escape clause.
> 
> >	   This isn't altogether correct.  Iowa can still go to the Holiday
> >	   if Illinois beats MSU and Iowa wins at Minnesota...
> 
> I predict:  
> 
> Michigan loses to Ohio State, but crushes Washington in the Rose Bowl
> by scoring 45 points in the second quarter.  They are held scoreless
> in the second half.
> 
> OSU beats an uninspired Michigan 22-21 after Moeller stupidly goes for
> two.  OSU wins handily in the Citrus Bowl by playing good defense and
> mounting extended ball-control drives.
> 
> MSU beats Indiana, rushes for 450 yds., passes for -2, blows out
> Holiday Bowl opponent.  Everyone picks Spartans to win Big Ten in
> 1993, but they lose the first five before winning the rest of their
> games.
> 
> 
> The Wimpy, er, Big Ten regains the prestige it so deservedly lost.

	Hee hee hee...  Pretty good imitation of Lee Corso.

- Chung Yang
From: garnto@scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto 904/644-4534)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU = Football Sorry University
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: garnto@scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto 904/644-4534)
Distribution: na
Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute

In article
<1992Nov18.184546.7070@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield)
writes:
|>        Screw Lee Corso
|>
|>        if you are a Seminole fan read the
|>following
|>        article that reads TEXAS aTm  got
|>Screwed
|>

I don't quite understand why FSU is getting such a bad rap.  Lee Courso
sucks on ESPN.  Hell, I went to FSU, work at FSU, and am a bonified
FSU booster, and I can not stand the guy. 

Get upset at ESPN for hiring and letting the guy talk.

Then get pissed at the AP poll for jumping FSU over Texas A&M.

NONE of this is FSU's fault (except the fact that we win alot of 
games - now, if we could just win one more...). We are trying 
to win as many games as possible, and (now that we have won
the ACC  champoinship) end the year ranked as high as possible.

Polls are by defination OPINIONS, and you know what they say about
opinions:

they are like ass-holes; everybody has one and they all stink.

my $0.02.

Ken Garnto
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Head Coaching Vacancies
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:35:34 GMT

RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper) writes:

>We've finally arrived at the time of year when coach's heads roll.  Where 
>will all the coaching vacancies be this year and who will be the 
>replacements?  Anybody care to speculate????

>Arkansas       - Danny Ford, Barry Switzer, ... ???
>Colorado St.   - ????
>South Carolina - ????
>Pittsburgh     - ????
>Tennessee      - ????

 Auburn         - Vince Dooley, Wayne Hall, Don James, Pat Sullivan,
                  Terry Bowden, ...???

Just to name a few rumors that are floating around Alabama.


>I am sure there are plenty of others.  Those are just a few that come to 
>mind right away.

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov






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From: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:02:11 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu


In article <26897@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
> In article <bMH=B9_@engin.umich.edu> chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 
> >	I finally figured it out.  Don James must be Santa Clause!  He 
> >successfully spearheaded the campaign, "Help out your PAC-10 neighbor to
> >a bowl bid" by letting the Huskies play their worse game in nearly three
> >years.  Now WSU must be considered for a Bowl.  That has got to be the
> >greatest gift that Santa ever gave to WSU.
> 
> Hey, jack, WSU earned it.  I'll grant you that on the basis of raw
> talents UW should be 7 point favorites.  But WSU has a lot of talent
> on offense (which has played inconcistently at times this year),
> and a good defense this year.  And the UW doesn't have Entman.  Did
> you see the game and how Bledsoe was passing very good in the snow
> and wind?

	Oh man, I tried to stop posting but I just can't resist. 

	Ok.  Given the weather condition, WSU has the definite advantage
with the way their teams is and game plan is structured.  There is no
arguemnent.  UW could not have won anyway.  The snow COMPLETELY neutralized
the speed of Washington's defense and offense.  The arguement of bulk vs
speed comes into play here. The defensive line of the Huskies are big but
not as big as the offensive line and they were in effective without traction
on the ground.  

	BTW, this is the kind of day that if MIAMI had played WSU, they will
have been blown out as well.  Miami's team structure is similar to the Huskies,
which relies on speed.  The game would not even be close.  Too bad they played
in a dome. 

	Not to take away Bledsloes talent he is very good.  But he is playing
against a defensive set that is basically useless in a weather like that. 

	Like I said, the Woof God Stuck and it snowed that game.  If it was
on dry ground, the story will be very different.  

	I don't buy the arguement of talent level ....  etc.  I don't care how
good the WSU offense is.  The weather was the primary factor in determine the
outcome.  Now all you WAZZU fans have to hope for is that it snows everytime
Apple cup come around.

	BTW, is Bledsloes coming out after this year.  The Seahawks should
draft him.  God, do they need it!

- Chung Yang

> --
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> Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: How did the Illini choke?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:58:36 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.221545.26851@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
>   >agreed!  down with fichigan!
>Oh, no, not you again.  The Return of the Creature That Hates
>Michigan.  Why don't you go back to the alien planet you came from?
>We're really tired of your same old anti-Michigan bullshit.

Who's tired of it???  I'm not!!!  I HATE MICHIGAN!!!!  I'll bash them as long 
as I possibly can... especially when they tie a certain unranked team in thier
conference... who will remain nameless... :-)

>-Alan Harder
>These opinions are mine.  

No kidding...

 
  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:47:12 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
<wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> says: > >In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com>
jfawcett@encore.com (Jason >Fawcett) writes: > >>AP >> >>1.  Miami >>2.
Alabama >>3.  FSU >>4.  Texas A&M >> >>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow
out with Tulane.  >> >>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head
again.  With FSU >and >>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for
MO POINTS.  The >most >>POINTS could get the #2 spot.  Both Bama and FSU
will be taken out the > >At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule
didn't rear it's >head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of
the top five >atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a
PAC-10 fan, >just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better
schedule than >A&M.  What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3
spot????  >Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of
Alabama >and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not
played >anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest
opponent >was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and
has >rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  

Sorry, but Miss.  State was ranked 16 before the game, and is now ranked 18,
I believe.  Check the facts before you flame next time.

And before you tell anyone else how FSU has trounced everyone except Miami,
I suggest you review the Georgia Tech game.

Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU OR IOWA!)
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:24:54 GMT

From article <BxxJu5.C9q@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by treincke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Reincke):
> 
>>	Unless MSU and Illinios end in a tie, then if Iowa wins, they go
>>to the Holiday bowl.
> 
> No, Iowa has accepted a bid to the Copper Bowl in Tuscon, Arizona.  No
> matter what Iowa does against the Gophers, they will be going to the
> Copper Bowl, not to the Holiday Bowl.  The Holiday Bowl has declared
> that they will take the winner of the Illinois-MSU game.
> 
	The following is from the Cedar Rapids Gazette:
	"Iowa acceepted an invitation Tuesday to play in the Copper Bowl,
providing two things happen Saturday:
	1) The Hawkeyes beat Minnesota.
	2) The Michigan State-Illinios game does not end in a tie.
	Otherwise it is a done deal"

	All parities involved agreed to this, and the Copper would
be forced to look elsewhere! And Iowa would go to the Holiday.
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From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU)
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:40:00 GMT

From article <Bxx1z2.GCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen):
> 	The Holiday Bowl has announced that the winner of the Illinois v.
> Michigan State game in Champaign will go to the Holiday Bowl, regardless
> of what Iowa does.  Iowa will go to the Copper Bowl if they should win.
> So there will be three or four Big 10 teams in bowls, not including Penn
> State.
	
	Unless MSU and Illinios end in a tie, then if Iowa wins, they go
to the Holiday bowl.
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From: rszczerb@hollerith.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Keywords: n
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:20:06 GMT

In article <By6BDv.4tK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes...
>
>If ND had a vacancy open up on their schedule, they would be more likely to 
>schedule FSU than Miami simply because the FSU program has more class. (flame 
>retardant suit donned)

Actually, ND starts series with Florida State and Washington in the
next few years ... we can always play the CANES in the Fiesta Bowl.

		- rob

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:27:00 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Originator: edquist@apache.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Nov19.151603.19469@news.nd.edu>, ejohnson@turinghelios.nd.edu (eric johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.143251.8737@sparky.imd.sterling.com>, marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
>|> In a recent followup, I asked about the status of some of the great OU QBs and
>|> I got to thinking that there have been a lot of great QBs in the Big 8, what
>|> course did their careers take, and what are they up to now?  I've started a
>|> list, anybody know about these players? Anybody have anybody to add?
>|> 
>
>How about:	Vince Ferigamo - NU alum - Former NFL QB - Rams
>
>Also, wasn't there a Colorado QB (I think he was a QB) that was
>pretty good and became a sportscaster for a Denver station. I can't think
>of his name

I think you're talking about Bobby Anderson, who played QB in the late 60's, early 70's.
He was more of a running QB, but hey, aren't most Big 8 QB's?  He set several CU records,
some of which still stand.  He was the MVP of some bowl (Sugar?) when the Buffs
beat Alabama in his senior season.  He was drafted by the Broncos and played for couple
of seasons, but that's about it for his pro career.

Karl
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:39:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.173903.16219
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.

Two words:		Bill Walsh
Alternative two words:	Stanford Cardinal

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From: larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:20:43 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
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In article <23NOV199210425756@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
>>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!
>
>
>GIG'EM  AGS!!!
>
>Mark Weyland
>Texas A&M University - Class of '88

Mark:
Although I was a member of the University of Texas Longhorn Band, the Showband
of the Southwest, for 4 years, and did march at two victories over the Aggies
in College Station, I will not start a flame war by saying "My band is better 
than your band."  But I will make two observations:

1.  There is a trophy for the best collegiate band program in the country
called the Sousa trophy.  When it was presented to UT three years ago,
only Michigan and Ohio State had previously won it.  I don't think it has
since been presented to A&M.

2.  In 1981 at the A&M-Rice game, the Aggie Band became confused in the 
middle of the show.  Half of the famous 'flying T' wound up at the wrong
end of the field while the rest of the band looked like the not-so-famous
'flying gamma'.  Shortly thereafter, the entire band left the field without
even finishing the show.  When a football team leaves the field without
finishing the game, it is called a forfeit.  I don't know how a band could
call that a victory.

Regards,
Larry Anglin
Engineering Manager
National Instruments
From: th1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Terrel Huch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FIVE WAC BOWL TEAMS????
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:17:19 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1992Nov23.125047.10151@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com writes:

>I heard that BYU QB Ryan Hancock had a knee injury in the game
>against Utah Saturday.  Does anyone know how he is and his availability?
>Is BYU down to their 4th string QB (Steve Young's younger brother Tom)?

>Also, how did the WAC race end up?  It is over, right?

Word from Provo is that Hancock may not walk for 6 months.  Big league
ACLS may end his baseball career as well as football. :(

The coaching staff wasted no time Saturday announcing that Tom Young
would start BYU's bowl game.  Big Blue and White is taking a medical
hardship on John Walsh, bringing him back as a sophomore next year.

Since Brock Spencer transferred (Montana State?) and Paul Shoemaker is
redshirting in preparation for his mission, BYU's #2 quarterback is now
a walk-on that I haven't even heard of. (Name?)  Realistically, if Young
got hurt, Shoemaker or Walsh would probably come on.

The conference race is indeed over.  Nice to see BYU get a share again. 
Hawaii goes to the Holiday Bowl as conference co-champ.  Fresno St. gets
the slot that I wish the Cougars had in the Freedom Bowl.  Air Force
gets Mississippi in the Liberty Bowl.  And yes, Virginia, there is a
Santa Claus--Utah goes to the Copper Bowl for the right to lose to
Washington St.

5 bowl teams?  Definitely.  You gotta love that.

Terry
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:10:19 GMT

Glenn Tanner (tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: A&M went to three consecutive Cotton Bowls while these transgressions were
: taking place.  During the 1988 season, they were penalized by no bowl and loss
: of 5? scholarships.  At that point in the season, they had already been 
: eliminated from the SWC title and wouldn't be going to the Cotton Bowl anyway.

Well, even we Aggies have a hard time with this, but there *are* other bowls
besides the Cotton Bowl (there, I said it) that pay real money and offer
real exposure...  And the players on the team that were penalized had nothing
to do with the infractions.

: That's not much more than a slap on the wrist if you ask me, especially when 
: you consider the slaps SMU got in 1984 and TCU got in 1985.  And there is 

Granted.

: NO WAY the NCAA would ever give A&M the Death Penalty.  I seem to remember
: their basketball team getting caught a couple of years ago.

Allegations were brought, investigation was made, no penalty given.

IMHO, *no* school will *ever* be given the Death Penalty again...  You
have a legitimate gripe -- SMU got screwed *real* bad...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl (Was: Why Michigan Sucks)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:07:11 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov22.183048.10990@guinness.idbsu.edu>, betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:
> In article <ASH.92Nov20154613@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> >   >wish UofM luck again, although this time, you are REALLY going to
> >   >need it against Washington.
> >
> >Why?  I thought the consensus of opinion was that Washington was
> >somewhat weaker this year, and that Michigan was somewhat stronger.
> 
> Two days ago I thought Washington was a little bit weaker but Michigan
> was a LOT weaker.  After the Wazzu game and the TOSU game, I'll have
> to amend that belief.  They're BOTH considerably weaker than last
> year.
> 

	The Michigan fans should hope that it snows in Pasadena, that
is one of the ways that the Huskies can be beat.

- Chung Yang

> Drew
> --
> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu
> *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***
>
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Can ANYBODY beat Washington????
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:56:25 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Nov23.124753.5783@desire.wright.edu>
demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>> Can they even win the Rose Bowl?
>	Of course they will.  They're playing Michigan.  All Michigan can do
>against ranked teams is go for the un-loss.

Hmm, let me check.  Yep  Washington has 2 losses so I guess they don't
go for the "un-loss".  Trounced by WSU, that seems a bit worse than
tied by WSU.  Send a note to Don James.  Tie better than humiliating
embarrassment of a loss.  Hmmm.  Udumb woofing severely curtailed after
Arizona game, now almost silent.  Such a pity.  Those boys just couldn't
shut up earlier.  I hope they'll start woofing again soon.

Oh, by the way.  Michigan can go for the un-loss against unranked teams too!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@hollerith.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.134120.16912@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <8f3pibG00iUy40hXxC@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>In an article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> 
>>zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
>>
>>>How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
>>>series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
>>>What do you ND'ers think??
>>
>
>Miami should also drop their easiest game.
>
>

One thing to consider ... Navy (and all of ND's opponents) are
Division I-A schools ... unlike some of Miami's opponents.

		- rob
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