From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during CR
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:42:25 -0500
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Organization: Muskingum College

In article <93Jan12.111330est.103@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.195929.4251@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>>In article <1isr63INNf3o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>>> In article <ll3p7aINNsg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>> 
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>>>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals studied/are studying 
>>>>overseas are responsibile for, major part if not all, letting the minority 
>>>>takings hands on destruction. Why there was no single voice out loud 
>>>>against the red guards? Afterwards, only blamed on four gangs, was that 
>>>>the real problem cause? 
>>>>
>>>>Well, you raised good questions there, but I don't think the Chinese people
>>in general should be hold responsible for CR.  Let's try to understand
>>historical events from historical perspective.  During CR, yes, many people
>>actually stood up against the Revolution, but they were either put into jail,
>>exiled, or killed as counter-revolutionaries.  In those years, dictators such
>>as the Gang of Four, especially Mao had absolute power. They were above the law
>>and above the people.  People were tight controled and had had no power under
>>dictatorship.  In my opinion, no specific individuals except for Mao and the
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>>Gang of Four should be blamed. Instead, we should rationally examine the
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> 
> I disagree.  It's like saying Nazi Germany was only the fault of Hilter,
> Goering, Gobbel, and a few others.  and all their SS troops are innocent,
> a bet after 1945 all the gas chamber operators at Aushwiz(sp?) would
> yell "look, they force me into it, I am innocent", while only a couple
> of years ago they were enjoying eliminating fellow human beings with
> no remorse whatsoever.  sure some of them were forced to do it, but
> there sure was a lot of excited sh*theads and rednecks madly following
> their great leader.  
> 
> if we still blame everything on the "bad emperor" and "a few evil ministers"
> and "bad bad consort and enunches in inner court" like we've been doing
> for thousands of years, then we are ignoring the problem, and sooner
> or later national stupidities like CR will repeat itself.  
> 
>>political system.  Had there been a democracy then, CR would not have happened. 
> had there been a democracy, opium will still be legal, men would still
> have lots of wives, ... remember, democracy is not magic medicine, and
> it doesn't work when the majority of the mass don't participate, and
> besides, during CR people really totally expresses themselves, didn't they?
> open support or oppose something, someone, and "fight" for it, democracy
> doesn't even have a chance if the people don't know what "democracy" means.  
> 

	*** But, if people do not participate, there is no democracy.  If there
is true democracy, people do participate, and that makes a big difference.  I
do not think "opium" or "polygyny" has anything to do with democarcy.  We are
talking about political system and about massive political movement.  
>>>>
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