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From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: "Dykes to Watch Out For"'s Bi-positive this week
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:22:06 GMT

For all of those who are familiar with Alison Bechdel's comic strip
"Dykes to Watch Out For" then this week's strip, entitled "The
Sighting" is a bonus: bi-positive representation in a lesbian-feminist
medium. If there is interest, e-mail me, and I'll type in the text of
the strip with descriptions of the panels.

Hurrah!

-- 
Scott Wells                        +  Always looking for (of all things)
Internet: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu  +  Christian Unitarians and Universalists
University of Georgia		   +  . . . before the UUA runs us out.
Athens, Georgia, USA               +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: soc.bi Frequently Answered Questions (FAQ)
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:21:36 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) wrote...
>    I think it's a combination of the fact that bisexuals tend to have more
>open-minded attitudes about sex in general, and also that they're understand-
>ably more at ease being in a sexual setting with a MOTSS.

Oh dear, Ciaran the generalization cop is going to get you for at least
the first part of that statement.  My guess is that attitudes about
sex (be in threesomes or whathaveyou) have more to do with self-esteem 
and personal comfort levels than orientation.  If you know of large
scale surveys that say otherwise please post them - I'd be happy to
see them.

Ellen
ellen@dgi.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:55:19 GMT

In article <1k6u3a$d0i@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>>I'm a hard-core Ethical Absolutist, so ...

Are we going to get a spate of Ethics Girls jokes? [humour probably
only available to Britspeaking lispers]

>Oooh - I hope those were kid gloves.  In which case, put them back on,
>and I'll show you some *interesting* things to do with them.  (Anyone
>ever tried wearing surgical gloves underneath kid?  Just wondering ...)

People have tried wearing surgical gloves *inside* the Kid :)

				Kay
-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:59:28 GMT

In article <30871@castle.ed.ac.uk> moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) writes:
>
>I prefer people whose appearance changes with their mood, not the ones
>who only believe in _their_ way of looking and never change it.  I
>suppose this is linked to my desire that people shouldn't judge me from
>my attire the first time they meet me (I know, I know, a rather futile
>hope)  Having been dismissed as 'a greasy biker' when met in leathers
>and clutching lid, and instantly judged to be some sort of butch
>lesbian, or treated like I was a fragile goth fit only for male
>consumption when wafting around in velvet.  I resisted the temptation to
>deck the bastard who thought I was a girlie stripper when he saw me in
>fishnets and that took considerable effort.  Not that I believe in
>violence, but sometimes.....
>
I like changing my appearance, too.  One Halloween I had a friend slap
some makeup on me (glittery stuff) and I wore a silver-lame mini dress
(my mother's from 1969).  The experience of being conventionally "sexy"
was hilarious - my friends didn't recognize me, and strangers who 
wouldn't have noticed me in real life were really interested - even when
I assured them that in real life I'm a nerd.

On the other hand, I love men's clothes.  They get the best fabrics -
beautiful wool flannels, nubby silks, wrinkly linens.  *sigh*  I wish
I were rich.

>I drool over tall skeletal people regardless of their gender, but its
>purely aesthetic.  


>

I like thin fine-featured men.  My ex-girlfriend likes large muscular
men, Sean Connery is her ideal of masculine beauty.  She says my tastes
in men are dumb because the ones I like are (in her opinion) Not Real
Men.  But when you think about it, "thin" is a masculine characteristic
since men have a lot less body fat (on the average) than we do.

As for women - my tastes changed when I started working out.  (and gained
some weight in fat, too).  Now conventionally "pretty" women look too
frail to be attractive.  Instead of sexual desire I feel grandma desire -
"here, have this nice piece of cake."

>It doesn't really matter what I fancy because women make me nervous and
>I feel threatened around men.  

Yep.  I feel like the women will reject me and the men will attack me.


>I'll get there in the
>end, can't turn to the solace of chocolate all my life.

Lindt.  Yes.

>
>Speaking of chocolate..
>
>Mo, gone hunting.
>

For chocolate, or for the long-haired.  Do you like long strawberry-blonde
hair?



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: ellene@microsoft.com (Ellen Mitsue Eades)
Subject: Re: Survey: Four screens!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:04:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1993Jan25.010323.24142@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>let's start with these: who the hell are you, what's the point of this
>survey, who's going to see this in the end (data, results, etc.), and
>why should anyone respond?

Marcus is a member in good standing of Microsoft's GLEAM (Gay Lesbian & 
Bisexual Employees at Microsoft).  He is also a former member of the board 
of directors of GLEAM.  I don't know what he plans to do with the survey, 
but he's not a 'phobe, Henry, so don't knee-jerk so easily.  "Who the hell 
are you?" is a pretty hostile response to an information request, even in 
our currently besieged Northwest.

In solidarity,
-- 
Ellen Eades					Microsoft Corporation
"Just call me F.G.M.  I hate excess verbiage."  _Twice Upon a Time_
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex.motss
From: an7591@anon.penet.fi (Orlando)
Subject: What the Hell am I?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.bi,alt.sex.motss
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:39:45 GMT

X-Anon-To:soc.bi,alt.sex.motss

Hi all... This is my first post, and I want to know if my feelings are at all
common.

I have had exclusively hetero relationships throughout my life, all of which
I have found quite satisfying.  Yet I've found myself, on occasion, drawn
to other men in a very specific sexual way.  I want to be dominated.
I have no hesitation sucking a cock or being fucked, but the thought of
kissing a man, or having any emotional ties to one whatsoever positively
repulses me.  I've thought about this awhile, and don't think it's a latent
homophobic barrier that just needs to come down.  I really am attracted
completely to a woman's body and soul, but I can sooner engage in the most
"perverse" sexual acts with a man than hold his hand.

Am I a bastard?  Are there any who feel the same way?  I know I'm certainly
not bi in the sense that any bi community would like me to be.  Is there
any place I can find acceptance?  All comments greatfully accepted...
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From: weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Telling my friend tonight
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:16:30 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi all!! 
        The bar thing didn't work out :( as some of you know. My friend just
wasn't feeling up to it. She gave me the phone # of another couple though and
we're maybe going to go out this weekend. I talked with one of the couple about
all of this. She was really cool about it; made me feel really comfortable. We
went out to eat while we were talking, and I actually felt comfortable out in
public talking about the subj. ( i know.. big deal, right? It was just a ttalk) 
Anyway, while we were talking two of her friends come in. they were really
cool. I thought to myself "they know". It really doesn't matter, they were
accepting and cool about it all. They asked my friend if she was going to the
bar this sat. She said maybe. Then they looked at me and said How about you? My
heart started to race; I said "maybe". My friend said that she'd talk to her
partner and see if they can pick me up and go. So, I've gotten contacts and I'm
feeling great. 
        One more thing... I'm telling a friend of mine my feelings about her
tonight. I'm a little scared, but I've thought things through for a long while.
I hope everything goes ok. cross your fingers for me.  Talk to you later. lotsa 
warm E-HUGS going out to you all :)
        Shawn

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:54:18 GMT

In article <1k28mb$f79@agate.berkeley.edu> 
mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>It's as true as it ever was: a good man is hard to find.

Or, as my SO's mother says: A good man is hard to find, and vice versa.

;-)

-jenneke, trying to lure her fiance' out of muffinhood.

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Sigh... hugs please?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:33:53 GMT

	Just feeling extraordinarily empty after an extraordinarily unfulfill-
ing conversation.  I have the worst timing in the world.  I called Vicki 
right as she was ending her procrastination and concentrating on the work she
had to do.  I don't know.  This woman has such a grip over me, but sometimes
I just feel like giving up.  But I know if I do that, I'll regret it as soon
as i see her again.  I just don't know what to do.  I'm lost in my life.  My 
Life is falling down around me (again!) and I'm powerless to stop it!
	Sorry, just needed to vent somewhere.  Because of the Vicki situation
my stress has reached critical mass... It's creating new problems faster than
I can resolve the original ones.  *sigh*

					Steve L. (desperately wishing there 
							was someone other than
							Jim on the floor to get
							hugs from.)
-- 
| Stephen C. Litterst           |*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*|  
| kyraan@bach,udel.edu          |       More man than you'll ever be...   |
| litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu    \   More woman than you'll ever get.     |
|_guido@gnu.ai.mit.edu____________\ ______________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cudddly Tigers
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:22:49 GMT

In article <C142Mq.AJt@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>Quoting gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk in article <1993Jan19.121946.14730@infodev.cam.ac.uk>:
>[heavily edited]
>>My vision of net parties (I've never been to one) was that everyone turned
>>up with high expectations and ended up talking about operating systems.

Hmm... So long as you lock Clive (J) into a cupboard we should be okay.
Otherwise it'll be like a GROGGS (tm) pubmeet...

Mike.
--
____________________________________________________________________________
\  /  / Michael Williams                     Part II Computer Science Tripos
|\/|\/\ MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk                          University of Cambridge
|  |(__)Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:57:14 GMT

In <1993Jan24.214507.6532@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams) writes:
>rb012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rod Bugarin-registered Democrat) writes:
>>weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>Just a quick question : What does the triangle stand for?
>>
>>From my understanding, it was used during Nazi Germany to identify gays or
>>jews.  I'm not sure.  Basically, it is for a symbol for queer life, either
>>queer-friendly or just queers.  Hope that helps!!!!
>
>Not Jews, just various "social misfits" (Gays, Lesbians, Women who refused to
>bear the children of the Master Race etc.). Jews wore stars.

According to the book "The Men with the Pink Triangle", Jews in
concentration camps wore yellow triangles. I think that the wearing of
the Star of David might have been forced upon Jews in Nazi society
_before_ the concentrations camps were started.

Centuries before, the christian church used to force Jews to distinguish
themselves by wearing some symbol; I think it was a yellow ribbon or
scarf.


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Xref: sparky soc.bi:19167 soc.motss:58437
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stonewall Postal Action Scheme Letter Number 25
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:34:17 GMT
	<C127qI.3pz@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca>
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <C127qI.3pz@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:

   Although I understand from recent news reports on the CBC (Canada),
   that he is back-pedalling on this (and many other things not bi-relevant).
   Looks like he just a slimy pond-scum like the rest.

I'm really getting tired of hearing this.  How many other politicians
in the US have put themselves on the line for gay rights, to any
degree?  Clinton has stepped out and made a stake on the issue of gay
rights, and may very well get severely burned for doing so.

All the while being trashed by the people he was trying to help.
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ST: Deep Space Nine, possible bi?
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <trussell.727283210@cwis>, trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) writes:
>
>>Knowing that Star Trek likes to be controversial, it is possible that a bi
>>story may pop up, especially since there doesn't seem to be much of a reason
>>to have dax as one particular orientation.

Star Trek really only likes to be controversial on certain issues--PC ones
like peace and harmony. Due to the fact that Gene Roddenberry was a raging
homophobe (I may be rehashing stuff y'all know if you're serious fans, which if
you're watching Deep Space Nine you must be), homosexuality was just never
dealt with. There have been alternative sexualities I'm sure...maybe...but
they've all involved odd wedding customs and whatnot, all of which were of
course heterosexual.

>    I kinda doubt they will bother, because the Trill themselves (the slugs)
>are asexual.  Evidently the host bodies still exert some *pressure* on the
>Trill, but I don't see the writers bothering too much, especially since
>Dax is/was the commander's mentor, not a love interest.
>
>    More than likely they are going to portray Dax as basically asexual, but
>others of the appropriate gender (male) will come on to him/her/it for
>obvious reasons.
>
Something about Star Trek that has always struck me as ridiculous is their 
treatment of sexuality (it's all roughly the same to me). They've passed up at
least one opportunity to cope graciously with the topic, where they had Beverly
Crusher fall in love with one of these beasties when it was in a male form, and
its next host was female (cute, too), and they used this as her excuse to break
off the relationship altogether. Not even a "maybe in a few years we'll meet up
again and have a chat." OK, so I accept that Beverly came out as heterosexual
there--I still don't like it.  My other favorite episode where the writers
ducked out is the one where Geordie Laforge falls in love with this brilliant
engineer he's created a copy of on the holodeck, and she meets him and finds
out about it and is royally annoyed because it's nothng like her, and when
she's cooled off she explains that she's not interested anyway (even though she
holds him in the highest regard) because she's...married.  They talk about
death OK in that show, why can't they have a lesbian whom we're never going to
see again anyway? Rats. 

Then again, maybe it's better that they don't do it at all than that they
completely screw up an attempt--all too possible.
 
>    Still, who knows?  It would be a pleasant surprise, but I'm not holding
>my breath...

Me neither. Pale blue just isn't my color.

>--
>   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
>      "Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado." - Melinda Shore

  -Ximena Cearley, aka Schwartzberg on occasion, lurking along.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: soc.bi Frequently Answered Questions (FAQ)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:16:49 GMT

In article <C17Jtn.BL0@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>How many bisexuals does it take to change a lightbulb?
>Kay Dekker.

Oh, Paul!  *really*!  <grin>

				Kay
-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: Unashamed....
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:45:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.145433.29081@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>I've just gotten home (well, I got home a few days ago) from my Senior NCO
>>course for cadets... and, well... *she grins shyly and looks at her
>>feet*... I duxed it... 80 people, and I duxed :)
>
>You did what? Is that legal in this state? Translate for the ignoramus, and
>than if it's appropriate I'll say something encouraging. No really, I will.

I topped the course.


>Thanks, I needed that. <cold nose in ear> (do you get those in Australia?)

Do we get what in Australia?  cold noses in one's ear?  Unfortunately,
yes.... :)


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Anyone read Sandman?
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:45:44 GMT

In article <FmoXXB6w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Did anyone read the appearance of Desire in the current storyline?  
> [ Description of same ]
>
I liked the put-down just before hand (in the same place) -- "When God
put teeth in your mouth, he ruined a perfectly good arsehole."  I
wonder if they put that section in just to outrage the moral-majority
who were writing in letters of complaint...?



--
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        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones)
Subject: Re: I'm in hell... or at least Purgatory...
Followup-To: soc.bI
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: worlD
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.135620.24877@icd.teradyne.com> bryant@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>In article IAF@ucunix.san.uc.edu, jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:
>>I mean, the arts out here are quite nice (I'm attending
>>the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music) but the political
>>atmosphere is deplorable.
>
>Boston has three great music schools.  Come back to the land of the living!
>
NECM, BC, and BSM are all great, but CCM is simply the best in
the land for my field (Choral Conducting).  But for Westminster
Choir College in New Jersey, that is, and I didn't want to
narrow my education down that far...

Erik Jones


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mpg@doe.carleton.ca (Mike Gagnon)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:21:09 GMT

In <MJB.93Jan28143501@oak41.doc.ic.ac.uk> mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown) writes:

>In article <1k6sdtINN9td@umbc5.umbc.edu> ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan27.200605.15795@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> crisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Badvoc) writes:

>>>To me being bisexual mean you don't think gender is very important.

>> 	I disagree.  I am bi, and gender is still extremely important to
>> me.

>I think the problem here is for each of you, your bisexuality means a
>different thing *to you*. It's an easy and dangerous path to start
I think Mat has summed up the attraction thread perfectly, being bi means 
something different for all of us, including who we are attracted to. 
However in Karen's original post she mentions the essays that suggest "the 
bisexual movement will do away with gender." 

>vanhoek@bend.ucsd.edu (Karen van Hoek) writes:
>I recently read the book _Closer to Home_; many of the essays talk about
>how the bisexual movement is going to do away with gender and lead us 
>to a truly androgynous society.

Is our sexuality the definition of our gender? If this is the case, then 
bisexuality, the sexual attraction to both genders, would imply a genderless 
society. But will this androgynous society be a result of the "bisexual 
movement?" 

From the discussion on this topic, we have clearly shown that, as bisexuals, 
we are attracted to a wide variety of people. So I have a problem with the 
definition implied above.

There are alot of reasons to eliminate the programmed gender roles from 
our society. Our society's distorted ideas of sexuality prevents alot of 
people from any close connection with their spirituality, the thing that 
defines them as individuals. 

Our psyche is often identified as feminine, along with the artistic 
productions that are a result of creativity. The waking consciousness (the 
ego) is thought of as masculine, the day time, the sun. However the 
nighttime, the moon, and dreaming consciousness (sub-conscious), are 
considered feminine. Aggression is usually understood to be violent or, 
assertive action, male-oriented, while female elements are identified in 
terms of the nurturing principle. 

The slightest deviation from these programmed gender roles is looked 
upon with dismay, so that the personal identity and worth are completely 
tied into the identification with our gender role (male or female).

The "bisexual movement" could be defined as the attempt to eliminate 
these limiting roles, and the result could be considered a "genderless" 
society, but I don't think it implies the loss of identity associated with 
androgyny.

Does androgyny mean loss of identity?
--
  |   Mike Gagnon.                                         |
-(+)-     "It's best no to be too moral, you cheat       -(+)-
  |   yourself out of too much life. Aim above morality."  |
              From the movie Harold and Maude.