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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: French names
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:07:38 GMT

In article <718273647.0@bdragon.fidonet.org> Bob.Way@bdragon.fidonet.org (Bob Way) writes:
>
> -> I have an ancestor born in 1698, that is listed in different
> -> sources as Jean-Baptiste, and Joseph. Looking at the original parish
> -> records, he is called Jean-Baptiste, but in later references, as well
> -> as in records from U de Montreal, he is referred to as Joseph. I am
>
>  Paul,  The problem with the French Canadians is that almost all males
>  had the name Joseph and the females all had the name Marie prefixed to

However, this became the usage only since about the 1850's.  

I think the problem here may be different.  Sometimes, a person changed
of first name, being known as one name for a given period, then as another
name.  Another possibility is a misreading.  In this case, you should
check in the original record.
Finally, the difference between Jette and PRDH (U de Montreal) is
strange.  Jette started from PRDH data to write his book.  If the
only record with Jean-Baptiste is the birth record, and if there is no
more birth record for a Joseph (except still born or died young), and
if there is no Jean-Baptiste later, and if the Joseph age later (death
record and may be marriage) matches, and if the records are complete,
then we could say that this Jean-Baptiste was probably renamed.

Change of first names are not common, but are useful to explain
that kind of mismatching information.  In my own Beauregard line, 
I have a Claude Beauregard born in 1756, died in 1759, and married
later (he is my ancestor).  From birth record, he is born in 1756
and there is not other Claude.  What happened?  In 1757, that family
had another child, Francois.  When Claude died, the family decided to
rename Francois to Claude.  This is confirmed by the absence of fate
of Francois (I checked thousands of records to gather all Beauregard data).


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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:21:46 EDT
Reply-To:     "(Anthony_Falcone-)" <falcon@BITSY.COOPER.EDU>
From:         "(Anthony_Falcone-)" <falcon@BITSY.COOPER.EDU>
Subject:      Help with BK5
Comments: To: roots-l%ndsuvm1.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Dear ROOTS-L members,
	I while back I was looking for geneology software on the Net and was
advised that Brother's Keeper V5 was available.  I picked it up and it's
pretty decent... I entered alot of my tree.  However, I am very interested
in my family's branchings.  For example,BK5 does a great job at showing
decendants & ancestors as long as there is a direct line of father, gfather,
ggfather etc.. but I would also like to see how my grandmother's side of the
family falls into place next to me... ultimately, I would like to see
every person in my BK5 files on one printout... to get the BIG picture of
my family.  The 'four family' printout (I think that's what it's called)
comes close to what I'd like... but it has a set limit of generations.
Do you know if what I would like exists out in software land? FTPable or
commercial? Thankyou for your time.

Sincerely,
Tony
Anthony Michael Falcone			The Cooper Union School of Engineering
FREENET: bf802				41 Cooper Square	N.Y., N.Y
INTERNET: a.falcon@bitsy.cooper.edu
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Dictionary of American Surnames
Originator: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:01:29 GMT

My mailbox is overflowing with requests for information and searches
of the Dictionary of American Surnames in response to a posting in
which I mentioned it, so I thought I had better expand on the project.

First, THE DICTIONARY DOES NOT EXIST YET. It is in the early stages of
organization by Oxford U. Press, which hopes it will be published
about 1997. All I have is a database, representing 60K names borne by
at least 100 US households each. Many of the names appear in the
previously published Oxford Dictionary of Surnames (English), by
Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges, which should not be surprising, given
US immigration patterns. I have the letters D, E, and F from the ODS
online, but not the index, which cross-references all the various
forms and spellings. I do not have a copy of the ODS itself.

If you think your name is represented in England, regardless of its
origin, try the ODS. It has gaps, but is more dependable than the
other surname books I have surveyed. Many libraries and a few
bookstores have it (I think it costs about $75).

The DAS project has many onomastics experts and a group of
genealogists hard at work doing research on non-English surnames and
the history of the names in the US. I have not seen their work yet,
and in any case they are working only on A and B so far. Sometime in
1993 OUP expects preliminary drafts to be submitted for collation and
verification by another group of experts.
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From: allenmk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (The Not So Tall Adventurer)
Subject: Re: Latin Anyone?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:06:24 GMT

Someone already translated this, so I won't even try to do that.  But I am
curious about one thing--why is this document of the Greek Orthodox Church
written in Latin?  I thought that Greek Orthodoxy had maintained the use of
Greek in all things.  ??  Certainly someone out there knows more about this
than I do (seeing as I know very little about it).

Melinda

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allenmk@ucsu.colorado.edu       and saves those who are crushed in spirit.   
allenmk@tramp.colorado.edu			               Psalm 34:18
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: MURRELLS
Originator: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:38:28 GMT

The following message bounced. I hope it is of some general interest:

To: dmurrlls@unix1.tcd.ie
Subject: Re: Murrells Surname

In the database for the Dictionary of American Surnames (in
preparation by Oxford U Press), there are 3406 households of MORRELLs
and 3089 households of MURRELLs, but fewer than 100 (the lower
threshold) of MURRELLSes. Have you looked in Hanks & Hodges'
Dictionary of [English] Surnames? Sorry I don't have a copy handy; I
have D, E, and F online, but no other letters. I suspect it is of
English derivation.

------
Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BOBO, BRAKE,
BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN), FERREE
(FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE, FIERE), HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY,
LEATHERWOOD, LEE, LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MUSGROVE, POPE,
SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD, WAREMBOUR (de
WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOOD, WOODRUFF (WOODROUGH), YERBY.


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From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: It once was Austria but now is Poland ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:20:17 GMT
Reply-To: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University

My Great-Grandfather was born in an area called Galicia, that was
at that time part of Austria-Hungary.  It is now South-West Poland.

How should this be recorded.  I can't accurately say he was born in
Poland, but if I say he was born in Austria, people think of today's
Austria.

How should this be listed in a Tafel?

Thanks
Mark
mrr1@ra.msstate.edu
From: jstahley@QUALCOMM.COM
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: HOW TO USE TMS
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: jstahley@QUALCOMM.COM
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CAN SOMEONE TEACH ME HOW TO USE TMS?

ALSO LOOKING FOR ANYBODY DOING RESEARCH ON STAHLEY AND GIEDA.

                                JSTAHLEY@ATHENA.QUALCOMM.COM

                                RECEIVING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT
From: ttw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (thomas.t.wetmore..iv)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Two Marriage Ceremonies??
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:33:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Charles,

	What you have found is not that rare.  What you probably have
are the records of both a marriage intention and an actual marriage.
In New England it was often the case that a marraige would take place
in the bride's home village/town.  In your case I would hypothesize
that the marriage intention was taken out in the town where the couple
lived (often the groom's home town), but the marriage took place in
the bride's home town.  I would not worry about the middle initial.
They are sometimes wrong, and often transcribed from difficult to read
handwriting.  Hand written initials are notoriously hard to decipher,
I guess because there are no other letters to give them context.

	And there is another explanation.  Marriage records were often
entered into town records, even if the marriage did not occur there,
but because one of the principals grew up there.  This is often the
for death records also.

	The only way you can really resolve this is to try to go back
and find the original source of the records yourself.

					Tom Wetmore
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WETMORE (1660-1992:Ct>World)    WHITMORE (1300-1660:Eng>Ct)
HANCOCK (1800-1950:Md>Ct)       BROWN    (1780-1900:Vt>Wi)
KANEEN  (1700-1900:IoM>Ct)      TRASK    (1580-1820:Eng>NS)
ESCOTT  (1700-1900:Nfld)        HARVEY   (1700-1900:Scot>Ire>NS>Wi)
EDMUNDS (1700-1835:Wales)       KISSACK  (1600-1850:IoM)
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From: Dick.Miale@bdragon.fidonet.org (Dick Miale)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Fido-Internet Instructions
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:23:00 GMT

John, may I suggest you write a little text file on how to use this conference along with a sample message ie the correct method for addressing someone when the account no. is known and when you are sending one to "all". Also the proper way of replying to a msg on soc.roots. Thanks for all your work in getting soc.roots on line, I personally appreciate it. Dick


 * Origin: The Skeleton Closet - 3 NODES! - Va. Beach, VA (1:271/23)
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From: suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick)
Subject: Re: Location of Naturalization Records
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:49:26 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU writes:
>some residents simply found it more convenient to
>enter vital statistics (e.g., births, marriages, deaths, BUT probably
>not land records) in a neighboring county.

Very true.  My husband and I married in June 1991.  We were living in Dallas
County, but got our marriage license in Collin County.  The Collin Co. 
court house was closer to where we lived and worked.  (The fact that we
actually were married in Dallas County is an additional twist).  

We almost decided to drive the extra 20 miles or so to get the license in
Dallas Co. as an aid to future family researchers, but heck, convenience
won out.  ;-)
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From:         EDWARD CANTRELL <EGC5658@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      GENEALOGY LIST

Please send me genealogy list and i ll appreicate if you do
Thank you!
Edward Cantrell
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Project Racines du Quebec
Cc: Dick.Miale@bdragon.fidonet.org
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:22:11 GMT

In article <718510949.1@bdragon.fidonet.org> Dick.Miale@bdragon.fidonet.org (Dick Miale) writes:
>to:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
*** maybe if you typed Cc: instead of to:, maybe I could have get this as email
>
>Denis, when will you be putting out a revised Project Racines ? I've had a few people inquire. Also in your line, do you have any Dupuyau dit Lemarquis ? They were mostly from Berthier. Regards, Dick Miale.
>
>
> * Origin: The Skeleton Closet - 3 NODES! - Va. Beach, VA (1:271/23)

Next release has been delayed by incoming of a ton of Beauregard data.
(Results of this summer Beauregard gathering). 

I will look for more data in the next month.  I am now preparing for
my own BBS, mostly a data repository more than a general purpose
BBS.  Perhaps the first edition will only be a free access PC with
loadable files.

The only name similar to LEMARQUIS=DUPUYAU I found in my Beauregard/Jarret/
Vincent data are for Marquis families and they are after 1900.
 

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===  Non a une entente au contenu indetermine'   Mon opinion ? Non !
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From: donche@reks.uia.ac.be (Pieter Donche)
Subject: genealogy files
Organization: U.I.A.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:05:26 GMT

Hello,

I'm looking for Internet addresses of sites where collections of 
genealogical data can be found and retrieved through anonymous ftp,
such as: computerized genealogical databases, 
         immigrants ship passenger lists, 
         compiled name indexes of genealogical publications, 
         armorials, etc, etc...

Our Flemish Genealogical Society is setting up a Genealogical Informa-
tion System. We make indexes on the names present in home-computer
genealogical databases of individual members (now 205,415 80-byte
records, giving name, christian names, year/place of birth/death and
a code for the owner of the database). Besides that we make an index
of all names that appear in the Parish registers (+/-1590-1796) of
Flemish communities (will be 500-1,000,000 records) when finished. 

The G.I.S. will integrate databases, names indexes, library catalogs,
calendar programs, history programs, public domain & shareware genea-
logical programs, etc... into one system, accessible through a menuing
system.

Is somebody doing something of the same kind and wants to share 
experiences ?


Pieter Donche
Univ. Inst. Antwerpen, Belgium(Europe)
donche@reks.uia.ac.be 	donche@uia.ac.be

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:44:46 CDT
Reply-To:     "(Bill Green)" <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Geographic and political boundaries in Northern Germany
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Comments: cc: fr@compu.com
              "ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU" at Oct 8, 92 9:33 pm

> This created much turmoil in the land. Also military conscription became a
> real issue and folks wanted no part of it. The people who came to America from
> the area of the old Amt Damme (administrative district of Damme in the duchy
> of Oldenburg) fit this profile exactly. They were practically all serfs tied
> to the land as Heuerleute (hired hands who could use the land of their
> master).
> W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big

Fred brought up a point here that I came across in "The Early History of
Liberty Grove Township (North Dakota)".  It concerned the Kotchian family
in Wisconsin.

"Mary remembered to the end of her own grandma-days how her family and
neighbors farmed during the night and hid in the Wisconsin forests
during the day to escape detection by the prowling recruiters of the
Federals.  It was just for this reason, forced military conscription,
that a good share of immigrants of Austria-Hungary, of which Bohemia was
a state, were escaping Europe.  Little Mary carried water and food to
her friends in the woods."

This was interesting to me, since my side of the family had a person who
died as a result of Vicksburg, while my wife's side of the family has
people hiding in the woods to avoid the war.  Fred's history lesson helps
me understand this better.

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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Larkine Canal, Canada
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:24:22 GMT

In article <920930194624.9a0@UTAPHY.PH.UTEXAS.EDU> THOMPSON@UTAPHY.PH.UTEXAS.EDU writes:
>Family history has it that my wife's great-grandfather was involved in the
>Larkine Canal project somewhere in Canada before 1860.
>Can anyone tell me of it's existance, locatio, or history?
>Thanks
>jim
>thompson@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu

Can this be Lachine Canal?  If you get the information from an handwritten
source, the mistake is quite possible.

I can check for exact years when it was built.  I was abandonned in the
1950's after construction of the St.Lawrence Freeway.

Lachine Canal is on the south shore of Montreal Island, between Montreal
Harbour and Lachine City.  There is now a bicycle trail on its sides
and many panels are telling the story of the Canal and industries along it.
I would think it was built in the 1840's or 1850's.

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===  Non a une entente au contenu indetermine'   Mon opinion ? Non !
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:26:14 CET
Reply-To:     "John P. Cotton" <moas-ad@HEIDELBERG-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
From:         "John P. Cotton" <moas-ad@HEIDELBERG-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Family History Centers in Germany
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Comments: cc: cottonj@heidelberg-emh2.army.mil

In a posting earlier this week Sven Hadenfeldt asked if there were any LDS
Family History Centers located in Germany.  I'm posting this to the list in
case others may be interested in the answer.  Yes, there are Family History
Centers in Germany.  In southern Germany they are located in both Heidelberg
and Karlsruhe.  The primary FHC is located in Frankfurt (am Main) however.  The
staff in Frankfurt maintain a master list of all FHCs in Germany.  Anyone
interested in locating the FHC closest to them should call Frankfurt and
inquire.  Their telephone number is 0697-47774.  From outside of Germany, the
country code is 49 and then 6974-7774 (omit the 0).  Hope this helps.
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From:         Sven Hadenfeldt <hadenfeldt@CHEMIE.UNI-HAMBURG.DBP.DE>
Subject:      Buffallo/Hall Co. /NE

Hi,
as many of my family live in Buffallo/Hall Co. /NE
I am intersted if there is a book on that area.

Names connected with that area are:
HADENFELDT, SHOEMAKER, POPENHAGEN,BAADE

also searching for a Mrs.Schlund said to have owned a Tavern
in Valparaiso /Indiana (not much info on that).

SVEN
From: soren@crsa.bu.edu (Soren Ryherd)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: US Civil War Military Conscription
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:10:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University

I know the Confederacy had conscription at least in certain areas, as my
g'g'g'g'uncle was drafted into the Confederate army.  He was a native of
Kentucky and had the poor foresight to be visiting relatives in southern
Tennessee when the war broke out.  In trying to make it back through
East Tennessee, he was captured by the Confederate army and pressed into
service, although in his diary he claims never to have fired a shot at a
Union soldier.

Eventually he and eight others escaped while camped near Cumberland Gap
and made it back to his home in Kentucky, where he enlisted in the Union
army for the duration of the war.

I wonder if I can get both Confederate *and* Union army records for him
      ;-) ;-) :-)

-Soren Ryherd
researching seemingly billions of people...
(But mostly Wilcox and Ryherd)
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: New files : suggestion for .ZIP
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:45:48 GMT

I recently downloaded the 5 BK 5.1 files.  After unzipping, I found that
I already have all the same files.

Thus, I suggest that when uploading zipped files (or other files
in a format where the date of original file creation), that the date
of the most recent file in the package, not only the date of archive site
uploading,

For example:

If I upload PACK.ZIP containing THIS.EXE, THAT.EXE and THOSE.EXE,
if the original files are dated:

THIS.EXE   09-03-92
THAT.EXE   10-02-92
THOSE.EXE  09-30-92

and the upload is made 10-14-92, then the file description could be

PACK.ZIP      10-14-92   Release of package PACK.  Last is THAT.EXE 10-02-92

I think this is particularly important with BK because of the number
of releases without renumbering of versions.  

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===  Non a une entente au contenu indetermine'   Mon opinion ? Non !