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From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe?
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:39:20 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
>	Hmmm... all this talk about Chinatown being unsafe has gotten me
>thinking. I used to hang out with some Chinese gangsters in NYC and we
>never really had any real trouble. Are you folks talking only about incidents
>that happens out in California? I admit sometimes it's not safe, but then 
>again, many places are unsafe. By the way, there were "incidence" in the
>Chinatown at NYC, but the rival gangs usually stayed out of each other's 
>territory. I dunno, enlighten me. :->
>						Mikeey

	Honestly, NYC Chinatn *was* not very safe last year.  Chn gangs were
colliding with Vman gangs constantly.  It was considered to be one of the
5 most dangeous neighborhoods (highest serious crime rate, I guess).
	Btw, other 4 are: Washington Heights, East New York, (East?) Harlem,
and ...hmmm, forgot the 4th.
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:06:56 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

[description of a proposed (entry level) English 101 course by Mark Day]
In article <44202@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami) writes:
|> 
|> Hmm. "101" is a pretty high number, implying that it is geared for English
|> majors. The running assumption would be that they already know how to write
|> a reasonable paper, and the focus of 101 should be on criticism, analysis, or
|> composition.  Teaching the basic methods of communication should occur in high
|> school or in the lower numbered general interest courses.  As you get higher
|> up into the class offerings, the writing style changes to conform more to
|> scholarly styles used within the field.

I went to UC San Diego and 1-99 were lower division courses, 100-199 for upper
division and 200-299 for graduate, it is probably the
same at UCB.  At many if not most schools, 100-299 are lower division, < 100
are remedial courses.  Do not assume all schools have the same numbering scheme. 


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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Men in Fashion Design
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 23:02:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <1992Apr2.054237.15846@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
!
!Has the Asian-American Male Aesthetic Sensibility finally expressed
!itself through high-fashion clothing design???
!						--Alan J. Hu
!P.S.  How's this for yet another new, fluffy, lightweight topic for
!this group?


One of my friends like his line of clothing.  He paid $100 for a white
cotton shirt of his.  Kinda steep in my opinion.  It was sorta nice though.

Gary

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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Will America fall?   teeter, teeter
Keywords: Chinese history
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22691
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
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Harry Xu writes:

>> 1. Chinese civilization is one of the oldest in the world.
>> 2. The Yuan Dynasty was the largest empire ever existed, being about twice
>> 	the size of the Islamic Empire and the Roman Empire (which is not 
>> 	Roman, not holly, nor empire).

I'm always surprised that Chinese would take credit for the Yuan
Dynasty, a regime founded by the Mongols at the cost of an estimated
35 million dead in China. In talking to friends from Korea, Russia,
and Iran, I find that they regard the Mongol period as one of 
destruction and horror. However, many Chinese seem to not only 
downplay the fifty years of bloodshed (1220 to 1270), but regard
Mongol conquests as their own. 

On another note, the anecdote of being neither holy, Roman, nor
empire referred to the _Holy Roman Empire_ (9th to 16th centuries),
_not_ to the Roman Empire, which was Roman and the biggest empire
ever seen in Europe.

Joe Huang
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj)
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Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Apr10.224710.29684@en.ecn.purdue.edu> oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro) writes:
>In article <22532@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj) writes:

>You must believe this yourself in order to say, "In case you're not sure that
>these exist".
Um, no, I'm quite sure.  I've seen such stereotypes in movies, TV, and
such far too often, and far too lately.  While we're at it, let's
talk about the white-teen-male stereotype that we see every single
day on television.  Now that is an anti-white-teen-male stereotype
if I've ever seen one.


>(about asian stereotypes)
>Stereotypes which are more pervasive in our society.
Sorry, I don't agree.  Then, asian stereotypes gore your ox,
and white stereotypes mine.  Still, can't we both reserve the
right to dislike both?

>>Down with stereotypes.

>Damn right.

Needless to say, we agree.
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From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:50:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr7.215007.831
Organization: .

In article <YdrWPVG00Uh783h4Nn@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:

> to implement a whole
>host of social programs that EVERY other industrialized nation (with the
>exceptiopn of S. Africa) in the world has.
>Any disagreemnet with this last solution?

  Yes! Not everyone agrees that the Federal Governmant is here to feed,clothe
 educate and provide housing.

  Where is the money going to come from?


>
>DCAL
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:55:35 GMT
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   yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei) writes:

   Well, let's not forget the educational establishments that enforce such
   "standard EnglishSpecifically, the Freshman Writing programs all
   over the country keep up the "standard" beyond SAT tests.  Ask anyone
   who teaches Enlgish 101, you will find out that these teachers, however
   aware they are of the validity of "other voices," have to force their
   students to use not only standard spelling, grammar, but also standard
   punctuation and a whole bunch of other nuisance.  Part of the effort is
   due to the teachers' legitmate concern about the "marketablity" of the
   students.  

Writing is, and always has been, used more as a way of recording and
conveying rather mundane information than as a way of creating art.
It's entirely appropriate for English 101 classes to focus on
improving the ability to communicate within a broadly-used idiom,
rather than encouraging self-expression and invention of new language
forms.  Almost everyone needs to write clearly from time to time; only
a tiny fraction of the population ever has the inclination or
opportunity to write creatively.

--Mark Day

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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: SF & LA (was: Mine's already gone(was: Law of Diminishing Returns))
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:50:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <s1usiINN1re@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
->In article <23649@scorn.sco.COM> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
->>In article <rdn91INNhvm@agate.berkeley.edu> mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
->>>>I guess it depends on how much you are willing to compromise (assimilate).
->>>>Different places will probably take different amount of assimilation in
->>>>order for you to fit in.  I would say San Francisco is the least 
->>>>discrimatory places in this world.
->NOT!!!!!!!!!!! What about all these reported incidents of hate crimes and
->racial discrimination (as reported a couple of weeks ago on a posting concern-
->ing this very issue)?

No place is perfect.  But at least people in SF recognize the problem whereas
in other parts of the country people don't even realize they have a problem.

->
->>>>It doesn't matter whether you are very Asian or Americanized, you can still
->>>>fit in there.
->>>As long as you're not from LA and/or own any Lakers/Dodgers/Rams/RAIDERS
->>>sportswear...%^).  
->Best feeling in the world is walking through downtown San Francisco wearing my
->Dodger Blue cap and jacket!

Well, that's regional conflicts, not race oriented.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: "All Asians think alike"
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.060826.3220@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
>  hahaha.  If your "friend" indeed holds all these bigoted
>ideas about Indians, how can you say he's not prejudice?   I would
>say he is!    Secondly, I would forget about what your "friends"
>say and go and ask the girl for yourself.  Or do you think all
>asians think alike, and that your "friend's" attitude will be
>the same as the girl's attitude?   jeeeez! 

This "all asians <look/think/smell/talk> alike" sentiment sometimes presents
itself in rather humorous ways.  One day I went to an ice cream shop with a
(German) American female friend of mine.  We did not know what kind we wanted,
so she got a taste spoon for about 30 flavors of ice cream.  Meanwhile, there
was a Caucasian male/Asian female couple walking in who also couldn't decide
what flavor they wanted.  I ended up with cookies and cream, and the Asian
female also decided on cookies and cream.  This prompted her date (okay, I
don't know for sure if he was her date, but he certainly *acted* like a date
in my opinion!) to say, "Not only do you people *look* alike, but you *think*
alike as well!  You're supposed to agree with *me*, not *him*.  At this point,
I thought he was acting like a jerk, so I couldn't resist rubbing it in.  I
said (trying to sound scientific), "You know, I really doubt many couples
break up because of incompatibility of ice cream tastes.  After all, you don't
have to *share* your ice cream.  Now if you have differing *pizza* tastes,
that might invite divorce..."

It was very tempting to say something like, "If you do not want to take her
home, I'll be happy to give her a ride."  Concerned for my safety, my friend
suggested we eat outside.  So we did.  But I went back in to throw the trash
away, and I noticed he did not get anything; he was taking some bites off of
hers.  So I told the guy, "Did you compromise your ideals of ice cream
flavors?"  Then I left for good.
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why is stereotyping bad? (Re: 'Asian Nerd' Stereotype)
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:00:54 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

>In article <1992Apr8.234057.7103@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com
>(James Pak) more or less intelligently writes:
>>... However,
>>I do think that there aren't too many stereotypes against white people
>>in this country AS A RACE, i.e. stereotypes specifically about them because
>of
>>their *race*.  I'm not talking specific ethnic backgrounds like Polish,
>>Jewish,
>>etc., I'm talking *race*, the way we have stereotypes against black people or
>>Asian people.  White people in this country can't be pigeonholed specifically
>>because of race.


 What you must keep in mind is that stereotypes are used by biggots of
one race to attack members of other races. Therefore, whites do not
use racial stereotypes about whites.

 However, there are racial stereotypes used against whites by blacks and
orientals:

 For example: blacks claim that all whites speak with a nasal sound; thus
the reason for some blacks using the term "honky" to refer to whites.

 Another example: some orientals claim that all whites have no respect
for their elders.

 There are more but I'm not going to go into them because I hate stereotypes
no matter who creates them. Their only contribution is to keep people
of different races and nationalities from better understanding each other.

Jose L. Martinez
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:36:22 GMT
	<56838@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr4.110441.28249@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu's message of 4 Apr 92 11:04:41 GMT

rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.) writes:
|In article <56838@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
|>There was a test composed entirely of black slang called the black
|>intelligencd test (Arthur Jensen, Straight Talk about Mental Testing)
|>where blacks did score better than whites. However, the difference was
|>easily demonstrated to be due entirely to a huge amount of cultural
|>bias among words never used by whites, whereas it was easily demonstrated
|>the white kids had overall vocubularies about double that of the black
|>children.
|Here's an explanation I like to throw in.
|Many "black" slang, have redundant mappings.
|ie) bad, hype, fly, dope etc etc all mean "good"
|Therefore the end result is people not aquinted with does
|slang would not understand it, but the users of this slang
|is at a disadvantage due to redundancy of the language, without
|an accompanying increase in additional semantic richness.

Think about that for a minute.  Most of the SAT-type vocabulary is
simply redundant polysyballic words that mean "bad," "good," "quiet"
and all the rest.  So your semantic richness argument rings hollow to
me.

Further, the many definitions of "good" in slang tend to form a vague
ordering (and in fact tend to depend on emphasis a great deal) over
time and convey more information than "good."
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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Which universities have AA departments?
Date: 8 Apr 1992 22:47:58 GMT
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In article <12018@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Could we start compiling a list of universities with Departments of
>Asian-American Studies?  Email me any information you may have
>and I'll post a summary.

I believe the University of California, Berkeley; University of California,
Los Angeles (UCLA); California State University, Fullerton; and California
State University, San Francisco all have large and extensive Asian American 
Studies departments. 

Just my 8% of a quarter's worth--
Peter

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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I'm a Stairmasters Junkie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: re China never as prosperous as Europe?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:15:12 GMT
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	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> The appropriate comparison, as I've said before, is among the 
	> current state of the various societies. 

No. At first you said that China has never been as prosperous as
US and Western Europe then when someone proved you wrong, you immediately
amended your statement to include "Modern = 20 century US and Western
Europe" as if that's what you meant all along. Feh.

	> The Chinese culture destroyed the hopes and dreams of generations of
	> Chinese--of an entire nation.  It's the same culture where infanticide
	> is condoned--past and present.

Wrong. I contend that infanticide is *NOT* condoned by the Chinese people.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:56:07 GMT

In article <upsi1.703113185@mcl>, upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) writes:
> In <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:
> >Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years ago?
> >I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
> >to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
> >fire.  [wry :-)]
> 
> Well, I went to Chinatown in SF about two weeks ago during my spring break.
> I don't seem to remember having to duck a hail of gunfire from a Mac-10 or
> Uzi.  I doubt that you will have trouble in Chinatown if you're going during
> the day.  Now, the nights could be a different story since I haven't been
> there @ night for about 4 years since my folks live about 25 miles south
> of SF.  But just to be safe, I'd wear a suit made out of Kevlar since the
> gangs don't use armor piercing ammunition, YET :)

     While I don't regularly hangout in (San Francisco's) Chinatown, I
have been there several times in the past few months, including at night.
I didn't find it particularly threatening, though I was always with a group
of other people.  My brother walked through Chinatown by himself late one
night, and he did mention he spent alot of time looking over his shoulder,
but he was a tourist in town for the first time.  (Yeah, I thought he was
nuts too.  :-)

     Maybe it's just the way I behave.  I rarely get bothered, despite my
typically Asian build.

							George
From: yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian-American Filmmakers (was Asians in Movies)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:41:14 GMT
	<1992Apr1.181938.21532@spectrum.xerox.com>
	<rgc4eINN5cp@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Apr3.041534.7119@athena.mit.edu>
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Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1992Apr3.041534.7119@athena.mit.edu>, ktko@athena.mit.edu (Kwanghyon T Ko) writes:

>One solution is to have more AA film directors and screen-
>writers.  Only then can we have intelligent roles.

Are there *any* Asian-Americans directing or writing feature films today?

The only well-known Asian (not American) director I can think of is
Kurosawa.  I do remember that an Asian-American won an Oscar for a
documentary a few years ago.  Does ayone remember his name or the
subject of the film?

I visited USC's Cinema-Television School when I was in LA last summer,
one thing strikes me now that I didn't notice back then.  While USC
has a very high proportion of Asian students overall, there seemed to
be relatively few in Cinema-Television, and none in the tour group of
prospective students.

On the other hand, I have noticed a fair number of Asian names in the
credits for cinematography, editing, and some of the other cinematic
professions...
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