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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:45:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ee.1992Oct14.024537.20048
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 19603@zip.eecs.umich.edu, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>|>KMT had claimed itself to be a revolution-democracy political party as I
>|>remember. What they did is not 100% democracy, you said it, I knew it, and
>|>they do not claim to be 100% democracy. But that does not mean there was
>|>no democracy whatsoever in taiwan under KMT and Chiangs.
>|>
>|>I do not believe that taiwan and KMT is 100% democratic.
>|>There is still a long way to go even today.
>|>KMT and/or the Chiangs should not take the whole credit.
>|>But to nullify their effort to make taiwan more democratic is unfair either.
>|>
>|
>|From your logic, CCP is also not a 100% democratic party then. So, in fact
>|there shouldn't be any dictator, but not a 100% democracy. 
>|
>|>What is so great of US?
>|>What is so great of Japan?
>|>
>|
>|Both countries are far better than China and Taiwan in many important
>|aspects, such as democracy, economy, political system, education, social
>|benefit, human right, freedom, futual hopes, etc., etc.
>|
>|>Purto Rico is part of US, are they any better than taiwan?
>|
>|Giving 40 years, Purto Rico will be no difference than any other U.S. state.
>| 
I doubt you will get such an optimistic assessment from Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico, or even those who had to come to the mainland to survive.


>|>Philipine was part of US, are they any better than taiwan?
>|
>|To your surprise, Philipine was indeed much better off when US was there.
>|It is the previous president Marcos who destroyed Philipine, another
>|example of dictatorship.
>|Philipine's income was 10 to 20 times higher than Taiwanese 20 or 30 years 
>|ago when U.S. was still in control, but went down steadily when U.S. gave up
>|all the political power to Marcos.
>|
>|Yi-Chieh

Marcos was COMPLETELY supported by the US government until the US got wise and stepped out.  It still amazes me that you believe that living under the rule of conquerers is 
a better alternative than living and governing yourselves.  Granted dictatorships are 
not the ideal choice of governance, but is being a colony the only alternative?

Amazing!

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From: huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca ()
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:30:46 GMT

ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen) writes:
: In article <1992Oct15.081929.16577@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca () writes:
: 
: >   Republican Party's 1992 platform strongly favours ROC.  It refers
: >   to Taiwan as "our ally."
: 
: I thought that you are a Dan's supporter. Now you seems to be a
: Republican Party's supporter. We all understand that, when the
: election day gets close, each condidate will try to keep everyone
: happy. They do not want to make new enemy. However, only god knows
: what happens after one gets elected. The most famous case is Bush's
: "read my lips, no new tax". I never believe them.  When the election
: ends, we will see whether Americans believe him or not. It is too
: early for us to argue on this point.
:

It is universal when the election gets close, each candidate tries to
please everyone.  I did not defend Bush's foreign policy.  I only 
stated in my first response that his vice president is Dan Quayle.
And Dan Quayle is a conservative Republican.  In GOP, conservatives
write the platform, and the platform supports the ROC.

When the Taiwan Relation Act was debated in the US Congress, many
amendments designed to imporve the diplomatic relationship between
the ROC and the US were voted down by mostly Democrats.  In the House, 
Dan Quayle, Jack Kemp, Dick Cheney, Phil Gramm (then a Democrat,)
Bob Michel and many others voted for the amendments.  Al Gore, Dick
Gephardt, Tom Foley, Stephen Solarz, and their allies voted against.  In
the Senate, Bob Dole, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Orrin Hatch, and
other conservatives from both sides voted for.  Lloyd Bentsen, Ted 
Kennedy, Al Cranston, Paul Tsongas, and others, voted against.  

Now, which party is more likely to sell fighter jets to Taiwan?  Given 
the present economic situation in the US all the candidates may endorse
the F-16 deal.  But the friendship between the GOP and the ROC makes 
the above question a rhetorical one.

: I suppose that you saw the TV vice-presidential debate. What do you think?
: Dan just kept attacking the personal character of Clinton. After the debate,
: I quote from CNN: "Dan Qualye (sp?) is a disaster for President Bush.
: People just keep thinking that he has a chance to be the President...."
: Again, do not argue with me that media is not a reliable source. What
: is more reliable in your point of view? 
: 
: 
: ychen

I also watched the debate on CNN.  I believe you quoted from a Los Angeles
Times' reporter who was obvious against the Bush/Quayle ticket.  I think
McNeil/Lerher News Hour is more balanced.  In the debate, Al Gore never
defeded his running mate.  "Pull a Clinton" was what Gore did.
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:11:10 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <shl1.718573806@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (James T. Kirk) writes:

>What's wrong with having five daughters?  Please don't be so sexist.  Trying
>to have more children would only increase the burden of the parents both
>financially and emotionally.  If I were you, I would concentrate on raising
>the five daughters you have instead of worrying about how to give birth to
>a son.  
>The supposedly "male superority" in Chinese tradition is outdated in today's 
>society.

I think you're right.  But here's something interesting:
You work, you sweat, you argue (with your wife?), you worry sick of them,
you go through all the hardships to raise your daughter, and finally
having the joy of seeing them grow up... only to give them away to 
someone else...


Brandon  
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    
University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 


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From: ectnt@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (THUY TRUONG)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:44 EST  

In article <1992Oct9.101616.3803@vax.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes...
>In article <2329@cix.cict.fr>, wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:
>> Hi,
>> I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>> eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
>> 
>> I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
>> 
>> Wangnan WU
> 
>	** My recipe:
> 
>	   Before you make love:
> 
>		a. Don't eat meat for two weeks
>		b. Don't make love for two weeks
>	   
>	   When you ejaculate: make it as deep as possible.
> 
>	   After ejaculation: have your wife lie down on bed with both 
>	   legs up for at least half hour.
> 
> 
>	   Rate of success: 100% (2/2)
> 
>	   Let me know the result about one (?) year later.

Would you explain why does the people don't eat meat and don't make love 
for two weeks in order to have the girl? 

And how about for the boy(s) instead of the girld(s). Thanks  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: huang@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca ()
Subject: Re: Bush or Clinton?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:19:29 GMT

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
: Bush?  Clinton?  Where is Ross
: Perrot?

I don't know about Perot's position.  I do remember from the news  
conference on October 1 he made one reference to Taiwan:
 
"...even little Taiwan is investing in infrastructure."

Republican Party's 1992 platform strongly favours ROC.  It refers
to Taiwan as "our ally."
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Cooking (was: How to give birth to a son?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:52:43 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct15.213649.6699@news.columbia.edu> cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
>
>>	** I cook (and cook better), I saw, I clean house, I babysit
>>	   etc. etc. However, I am doing it like a man not like a 
>>	   woman.
>
>How should a man cook, saw, clean house, babysit...etc.??  How is it
>different from a women doing them?  Could you tell us what's the
>correct, "manly" way to perform these tasks?  You know, I could
>have been cooking in a womenly fashion for all those years....

Well, just for argument's sake.  When I cook, the whole house is 
filled with a *specular* aroma, and a lot of smoke.  I toss the
food up and down on my wok, and by the time I am done, the whole
kitchen floor is well-seasoned.  When my mom cooks, well, nothing
happens.  :-)


Brandon
--
Brandon S. Ou  ~{E7Ji:j~}     Department of Computer Science    
University of Arizona               Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:22:03 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <shl1.719187214@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>, shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee) writes:
> 
> Wait.  So you consider showing your affections "manly"?  Well, not last time
> I heard the definition of "manliness" from an old fashion guy like you.

	** Ha, ha ha ... "Old fashion guy", Thank you for the
	   appraisal. I like antiques and I study aged rocks.
> 
> Of course, how could I forget?  You are confused about the difference between
> men and woemn yourself.  You can't even name ONE difference.
> 
> Have you considered that possiblity that you having been trying to name something that is non-existent?
> 
> Go figure.
>                                          
	** The earth is very very difficult to describe.
           Yet, the earth does exist.

	   So is woman.
	   
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From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:33:29 GMT


>>	(2)  My impression is that most of the supporters for Wang are "small"
>>ordinary people.  Surprisingly, many legislators (both KMT and DPP members) at
>>various levels are Wang's most furious opponents.  These legislators claimed
> 
>	Here is the pitfall of our "democracy", there are only self- 
>	interest groups to be elected and we elect self-interest
>	groups. I seem the need of having people to directly vote
>	on a bill (& propose a bill); though many things have to be
>	in place to do this.

On my way back to US, I overheard the following on the radio.

1. DPP opposes Wang not for his ideal/idea but for his methods.
   (DPP implies that Wang has good heart but is in lack of ability)

2. DPP suggests to President Lee that he nominate Wang as the the new
   member in the Monitor Yuan. (DPP implies Monitor Yuan is the best
   place for Wang and that will do much good to Taiwan's politics)

Besides, according to China Times, DPP is opposing Wang partially because 
Wang is Premier Hau's protege and DPP is working to get rid of Hau after
this coming election. 
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From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:52:33 GMT

>>Personally, I felt sad because I have not seen one in the political field 
>>I would admire as much as I would admire Wang.  Just some thoughts:
>>
>>	(1)  Is his ideal on the so-called "2nd land reform" justified?  
>
>	The idea is certainly justified in my opinion; though the measure
>	and its implementation may be debatable. The land controlled by
>	few people as "captial-collecting tools" not only is unfair in
>	tax collection but also is unfair to hard working people since the
>	money they earned are greatly de-valued (by rents, and consumer
>	goods).
>
>>	(2)  My impression is that most of the supporters for Wang are "small"
>>ordinary people.  Surprisingly, many legislators (both KMT and DPP members) at
>>various levels are Wang's most furious opponents.  These legislators claimed
>
>	Here is the pitfall of our "democracy", there are only self- 
>	interest groups to be elected and we elect self-interest
>	groups. I seem the need of having people to directly vote
>	on a bill (& propose a bill); though many things have to be
>	in place to do this.
>
>>	(3)  President Lee said in public that the proposal by Wang is not
>>feasible.  Does he have a stand to say so (politically, scientifically and
>>socially)?
>
>	No comment. I never would vote for him even if I have a vote.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>

No matter how great Wang's idea is, he must get support from the majority
of people, it's democracy. The first land reform succeeded because no
democarcy at that time. But time is different, to achieve something like
the first land reform through authority is meanless comparing with the
democratic way. Look at what happens at U.S., Clinton and Bush tried so
hard to explain to American people how his method will work while the other
won't. This is democarcy and usually the policy selected through democratic
approach is more likely to be good.

Many politicians in Taiwan still have the traditional mistakes, sense of
authority. You can't just impose a policy you think to be good. Even if
it is really good, it must be exdorsed by the majority of people. So, before
enforcing a radical policy like what Wang's has proposed, he should
explain it to people for at least 6 months to 1 year. So, the thing he did
wrong is he didn't even bother to consult with the majority of people, he
just believed he is right and things must go his way. No matter how great
he is, he will be kicked out. Even the old Chiang can live today, he will
be kicked out by the people, if he dare to do what he has done 30 years
ago. Wake up politicians, time has changed, you must get the support from the
majority of people, otherwise you will go nowhere other than your own house.

Yi-Chieh
From: yang@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:29:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct16.172939.25208
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.184917.22925@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct15.131550.3841@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>> 
>>>	** Because Chinese is better than Japanese.
>> 
>> Hmmm.  This is a racist statement if I have ever seen one...

>	** No, I am talking about language.

Even so, I'm afraid that it still sounds a bit racist. In what sense that
Chinese language is better than Japanense language?

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Subject: Re: What's Taiwan's furture???
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:07:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.003615.27097@schbbs.mot.com> RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan) writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>In article <1avf8jINN836@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
>
>What will be the best way for Taiwanese.  Independent?
>If you even went outside the Taiwan to life, you should realize how
>difficult it is to use Taiwanese passport. Hmm...
>
Well, that may be a good reason to get independent.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.1992Oct16.123541.3854
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct15.213649.6699@news.columbia.edu>, cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.140419.3843@vax.muskingum.edu>
> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
> 
>>	** I cook (and cook better), I saw, I clean house, I babysit
>>	   etc. etc. However, I am doing it like a man not like a 
>>	   woman.
> 
> How should a man cook, saw, clean house, babysit...etc.??  How is it
> different from a women doing them?  Could you tell us what's the
> correct, "manly" way to perform these tasks?  You know, I could
> have been cooking in a womenly fashion for all those years....
> 
> :-)

	** I can not tell you how I did them differently. But
	   my wife can ALWAYS tell the difference. I believe
	   most if not all, other women can also.

	   You are a man, that's why you can't.
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From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:40:30 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>> Wait.  So you consider showing your affections "manly"?  Well, not last time
>> I heard the definition of "manliness" from an old fashion guy like you.

>	** Ha, ha ha ... "Old fashion guy", Thank you for the
>	   appraisal. I like antiques and I study aged rocks.

You're welcome.  I guess some people just take everything in face value, huh?

If you still don't get it -- "old fashioned" was a polite way of saying "out-
of-contact," or "outdated."

>> Of course, how could I forget?  You are confused about the difference between
>> men and woemn yourself.  You can't even name ONE difference.
>> 
>> Have you considered that possiblity that you having been trying to name something that is non-existent?
>> 
>> Go figure.
>>                                          
>	** The earth is very very difficult to describe.
>           Yet, the earth does exist.

Earth?  It's the third planet of our solar system, which is located near the 
center of the Milkey Way Galaxy (Sector 001 of the Federation Space for those
Trekkies :-)).  The diameter is approximately 6000 km.  The atomsphere is 
made of 4/5 nitrogen, 1/5 oxygen.....  etc.

To me those are quite concrete descriptions.  BTW, I did not ask for lengthy
description of the "different behaviors men and women should possess".  Just
"name" one of them!

Steven Lee
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From: u7911013@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien TWNR-Moderator)
Subject: Re: NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Monthly Report
Organization: National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:50:28 GMT

Yeowell Huang (huangyj@Uz.nthu.edu.tw) wrote:
: 
: << Suggestion to nctuccca >>
: 
: In my viewpoint:
: 
: 	1. nctuccca.edu.tw is the most important FTP site in TANET.

Thanks.

: 	2. nctuccca.edu.tw is the slowest FTP site in TANET.
: 	
: conclusion:
: 
: 	You'd better use the faster mainframe.

NCTUCCCA is a SUN SPARC 2 workstation with 5, 1.3G disks, in addition
to a system disk.

In fact, running a FTP server do not need fast mainframe, since the 
CPU load is sight.  However, the disk i/o and network traffic is 
heavy.  You know, the famous ftp archives wuarchive.wustl.edu is
running on a DEC workstation, and monthly traffic is about 150G 
bytes transferred.

Actually, if NCTU T1 connection outside campus is not broken, normally,
you can ftp NCTUCCCA.edu.tw at the transfer rate about 5-20K bytes per
second.  I don't think it is slow.  However, if the T1 connection is 
broken, it may be very slow.  Please try to FTP it later.

Your suggestions are always welcomed.

Regards,
--
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
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From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 23:37:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?

In article <2329@cix.cict.fr> wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) writes:
>Hi,
>I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
>
>I'm looking forward to hearing from you!


Is this guy real?

:-)   :-)   :-)


LB
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:49:48 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct13.124329.28120@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:

	** It seems we had this nature of exchange once before.

> 	Has it occurred to you by treating male and female on an
> 	equal basis that there are better hope for good "husbands"
> 	in the future? Those not "so-good" husbands are more possibly
> 	raised by their parents who treat their children differently
> 	based on their sex.

	** You need to teach your boy how to be a man who is 
	   supposed to behave differently from a woman. This is
	   not related to whether you love your boy more than your
	   girl. You show your boy how should a man be different from
	   a woman by distinguish your own thoughts and behaviours 
	   from that of .your wife

>>	** Don't do that. Ultimately, male and female are born equal.
> 
> 	"Born equal"?! Don't kid yourself, look at your sexism remark
> 	below.
> 
>>	   may think the same way. Never tell your boy to give up his
>>	   inherited advantages. If he does, he will not be welcome in
>>	   the world of female.

	** Sexism remark? No, that is what I mean by "eaual".
	   Equal does not mean "the same". It means "match"
> 
> Yung-Kao Hsu
> 
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From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:50:11 GMT


In article <10OCT199221151243@oregon.uoregon.edu>, kuolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Yeong-Kuo Lin) writes...
>
> I don't know, why
>Mr. Wang don't foucus on some unfair tax policy. For personal impression,
>he just want to get more, more tax. He don't try to improve some
>unreasonable tax rule.

Some critic in Taiwan said that Wang was so eager to collect more tax
to support Premier Hau's 6-year-plan such that that new tax policy was
not well-studied, well-thought, and well-planned. It seemed to some people
that the intent to collect more money from the private sector is stronger
than to materialize the social justice as it seemingly was.

During past decade, only one or two ministors of finicial affairs stayed
at their positions for more than two years and Wang is one of them. I agree
with DPP that Monitor Yuan is the best place for Wang, even though Wang
said he would focus his future on writing books and spreading the Gospel.
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