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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: The Eastern Playoff Race
Originator: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:31:52 GMT


Here are the current standings and the remaining games:

			Remaining games:			Prediction:
6)  Indiana      37-39  @Mil Chi @Chi Char @NJ Clev
			+    -   -    +    -   -		39-43	(7
7)  New Jersey   35-39	Atl @Wash Clev @Atl @Orl @Mia Ind Orl
			+   +     -    -    +    -    +   +	40-42	(6
8)  Atlanta      35-40	@NJ @Orl NJ @Chi NY Chi @Clev
			-   +    +  -    -  -   -		37-45	(9
9)  Miami        34-42	Wash @Wash Orl NJ Mil @Bos
			+    -     +   +  +   -			38-44	(8
10) Philadelphia 33-42	Det @NY Mil Bos @Orl @Char Wash
			-   -   +   -   +    -     +		36-46	(10
11) Charlotte    30-44	@Orl @Clev @Det Bos @Ind Clev Phil @Minn
			+    -     -    -   -    -    +    +	33-49	(11


Joyzee is looking quite good, having just won at Indiana. With four
games remaining against their playoff rivals (Atl, Mia, Ind) and three
against bad teams (Wash, Orl) they seem to control their destiny.

Atlanta is looking at a tough schedule, unless Chicago, Cleveland or
NY tank those last games.  Miami's schedule is easier, but they are
really struggling without Seikaly so perhaps they won't be able to
catch the Hawks.

And then there's the Shaquille incentive.  Atlanta could use a lottery
pick, but Miami and NJ want to make the playoff as a matter of pride.
So I think it will be:

	6/7. New Jersey/Indiana
	8. Miami

--Gidi
					The west? Who cares about the west?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Willis / Threatt / Re: NBA Most Improved Player
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:46:42 GMT

>> Kevin Willis: 'Nuff said
>> 
>Another good candidate.

I don't think so, but I'd like to see the numbers.  I agree that early
in the season Willis was rebounding like a madman.  But I think that
he came back to earth, and his average now is pretty human.  He is
probably scoring more, but remember that since Nique went down Willis
is officially the Hawks' main man.

Actually, that's my criticism of KW.  For years he allowed himself to
be in Nique's shadow.  Then, at the start of this season it looked
like he will step up and become an all-star in his own right, but he
didn't really.  Then Nique went down and again KW had the opportunity
to lead the team.  But he isn't.  Whenever there's a big play to be
made it's Robinson, Cheeks, Augmon or Volkov who are making it.


By the way, I'd like to take this opportunity to admit that I was
wrong and Mike Tamada was right.  Sedale Threatt is *not* the MIP.  I
was really excited about him early on, and I still believe that he's
doing a very good job.  But now I agree with MT: Sedale is just the
same Sedale he always was.

You could also say that playing for LA's "other" team, he's just not
getting enough media exposure.  Life sure is tough.


--Gidi
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers Back On Top
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:02:45 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: HMS

In article <4051@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500s931@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Huggy Bear) writes:
>Interesting that ever since George Mikan came along the Lakers
>and Celtics have dominated the NBA like few teams in major league 
>sports have.
>
>Sure, they may have an occasional down season but they always bounce
>back.
>
>Possible Event:
>	The Lakers may possibly miss the playoffs this year.  Wouldn't
>it be just like the lakers to miss the playoffs, make one or two key
>trades in the off season, then when the lottery and take Shaquille
>O'neal and end up back among the NBA's elite.
>
>It could happen.  

Have you seen the cows fly lately? ONLY 3 teams are in the lottery
setup now and the other nonplayoff teams pick in the order they finished.
That will make only Dallas,Minnesota,and Orlando to be potential
Shaq employers for next few seasons since he'll be taken first or second for sure.
And beleive me,these teams are not gonna be intersted in making the Lakers
the superteam of the '90s. Who are the Lakers gonna trade? Besides
AC Green and Divac everybody on that squad is a 'has been'.
Worthy is definetly damaged goods with his knees and all.
If the Lakers won't make the playoffs(they are in the 8th place in the West
as of now) they will have only 10th or 11th pick. They have to rebuild with
their own picks like the Celtics have started a few years back with Lewis,
Fox,and Brown and yes,Stoyco.
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird *IS* GREAT!
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:12:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.025346.19469@news.cs.brandeis.edu> bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
>>Let's see whether Larry can average 10.1 ppg in 1999 before you put
>>Kareem into the picture, OK?
>
>Remind me which year it was that Jabbar had a slipped disk.  I don't
>seem to recall...

Remind me which year it was that Larry Bird ***WAS*** 42 years old. I don't
seem to recall either .....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro,rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Volunteer needed to run the UseNet Draft
Summary: Waste some time - have some fun
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:39:18 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Due to other commitments, I won't have time to run the UseNet mock draft this
year.  I'd like to see the draft continue, and so I'm asking for a volunteer
to run the draft.  It doesn't actually take that much time, so if you're
interested, please do the job.  Most of the task is organizing other people.

Here's what you'll have to do:
  a. Get GMs.  This is easy - requires a couple of posts and some prodding,
     but basically takes care of itself.
  b. Get a list of prospects.  By far the hardest task.  Getting a list of
     players and info is really useful - you'll have to rely on the net
     for lots of the help here.
  c. (Immediately) after the lottery, start getting picks.  You just have to
     grease the wheels for the GMs who do all the work.

The draft will run in late-June, starting just after NBA lottery (which, as
I recall, happens during the conference finals).  Thus, you have to be around
during that time of year to do the job.

Please, please, please - take over the job.
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Oh that Larry Bird
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:26:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sherman.OLIVER.92Apr9212629
	<1992Apr9.222141.23734@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.222141.23734@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) wrote:
> Let's see, the Lakers had a decent forward in Jamaal. This is how the
> lineup would look like:
> 
> Jamaal, Bird, Kareem, Nixon, Cooper.
> What if they hadn't traded Nixon? Then we don't know.

But the point is, with this lineup, they never would have traded Nixon for
Scott.  You can say that with as much certainty as anything else under this
scenario. 
--
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.231159.29563
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, jntlp@acad3.alaska.edu () says:

>
>I can see by the stats, though, that both Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen were
>significantly down in minutes played.  Was coach Jackson resting them or was
>there an extended "garbage time" at the end that they sat out?

It was extended garbage time, both teams ended up using the bench for
most of the 4th quarter. I think the bulls lead the game for only 1
minute, early in the 1st, after that it was all CAVS. Pippen was the only
bright spot for the Bulls. I'm a Pippen fan, even tho the Cavs r my team,
I dunno who's driving ability(drive to the basket that is) is more dangerous,
Jordan's? or Pippens? hmmm

Alex

-- 
"Sometimes people don't understand, what they have until it's gone...
some people don't know somebody loves them, until it's too late baby..
you better wake up girl, and realize what u got baby.." - Keith Sweat
Alex Canada -- am402@cleveland.freenet.edu    CAVS in '92
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross)
Subject: Re: Oh that Larry Bird
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:15:55 GMT

In <1992Apr9.193110.14648@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:

>In article <ku8mf8INN5k7@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
>>>>Drafted 1st round 6th pick 1978, staying in college, probably wouldve been
>>>>the first pick in '79.
>>>You mean that the Lakers would have taken Bird instead of Magic?
>>
>>>I doubt it.
>>>--Gidi
>>I think there is a very good chance.  But as anyone should admit, either one
>>would have been a great choice, Bird being a super forward, and Johnson a 
>>guard.  But as with anything else, it depends on what the franchise needs,
>>did the lakers need a super forward?
>>Neil

 You seem to forget that Larry was drafted after his junoir year, via a rule
loophole that Red knew about. The Lakers really had no chance.
Matt
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lottery
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:47:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

In article <1992Apr11.031516.27362@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.042817.18508@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>>navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>>
>>>If I was playing a lottery in which I had 1 in 66 chances of winning
>>>50 million dollars I and any other sane individual would be ecstatic.
>>
>>Even if a ticket costs 1 million dollars?  Well, have I got a deal
>>for you and for any other sane individual.
>
>     Or more precisely, even if a ticket cost $3+ million per year,
>which is probably what Shaquille will cost.  (I'm not saying he's not
>worth it, I'm saying that his net value to a team is less than $50 million.
>If he were worth that much, we'd be seeing a lot more mysterious injuries
>as teams raced to enter the lottery.) 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  |__	      o
>  | W			   Mike Tamada
>		  |\	   Institutional Research Office
>		   \O	   Occidental College
>		    |      tamada@oxy.edu
>		   /|
>		  | |

I assume the reason teams play players astronomical amounts is because
the team thinks they will make money off the player. Or has the NBA suddenly
become a philanthopic organization?
Whatever team gets Shaq will have INSTANT increased revenues--from both
fans in the stands and tv.
Roy
(Every sane NBA fan s should be burning inscense and making donations to
good causes in the hope their team gets the Shaq)
From: U14540@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: How good are the Bulls (RE: WARRIORS WOOFING)
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92104.221304U14540
 <ddrumm.21ml@amiganet.chi.il.us> <1992Apr5.035943.24449@agora.uucp>
 <4053@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <4053@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas) says:
>
>Interesting: the Bulls are overrated because they got to play the best
>team in the West and beat it convincingly.  During the series the
>Lakers to a man said that the Bulls were much better than the team
>that they beat to get there.  Or is this some sort of joke?
>

If the Bulls are overrated then name one team that is going to beat them in the
playoffs. Cleveland can't stop Jordan and Boston is too old. Detroit doesn't
have a chance. (if you lose to the Bullets this late into the season you know
your team doesn't have it together). Portland,the best in the west,may have a
chance. Drexler and Porter need excellent games,though. No other team even
comes close. So all you Bulls haters can gloat when the Bulls loose a couple
more regular season games, but when the playoffs start don't expect the Bulls
to loose more than four games.
                                          Wayne
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Laker Injuries
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:01:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.153929.17486@cco.caltech.edu> schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>Does anyone know the details of the injuries to James Worthy and Sam
>Perkins?  If so could you please post the information and when they
>are expected back?

They're both gone for the remainder of the season.

Scott
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pistons over Spurs 107-103....
Date: 14 Apr 1992 12:14:01 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr7.040110.7770@rice.edu> tomscud@owlnet.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:
|
|>Article 12506 (158 more) in rec.sport.basketball.pro:
|>From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
|>      The trouble is that Rodman played at Southeastern Oklahoma,
|>an NAIA school.  He may have numerically led the country is scoring and
|>rebounding, but I believe that the only person in *NCAA* history to
|>lead the country in scoring and rebounding was...(Sonics fans know this)...
|>Xavier McDaniel.
|*BZZZZZZT!* actually, I believe that Hank Gathers also did this his junior
|year at Loyola Marymount.
|
Didn't Chuck Person lead the nation in scoring and rebounding?  Also, what
about Terry Catledge?

Rick
From: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Nets playoff outlook
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr5.225535.2666@Princeton.EDU>  
dmjoffe@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David M. Joffe) writes:
> 
> Following a win in Indiana, the Nets are currently all alone in 7th
> place in the Eastern conference, one game behind Indiana and a half
> game ahead of Atlanta.  Both the Pacers and the Hawks still have two

I'd just like to take a few moments to say a few things to those  
sportswriters, magazines, newspapers, etc., who predicted a last-place  
finish for the Nets:

!@#$%&**$#@%%%%^&*&^%%##&&**!!!!?$#@&&@.  Thank you for your time.  

> disappointment.  However,if they draft below the 12th spot, their 
> first round pick goes to Denver as part of the Petrovic-Mills trade.

I think the Nets would be better off getting rid of their 1st round pick  
this year.  Unless I'm off the mark, I don't believe they (and how many  
other teams??) have much of a chance of signing anyone for more than a few  
hundred thousand dollars, given their bulging salary total....that is,  
unless they were able to unload Sam Bowie and his huge contract.  Coleman  
and Petro are stayin' right here in the Jersey swamps.  Kenny is either a  
very-near future Nets star or a star elsewhere.  He's a cash cow at worst.  

The Nets need to focus on:

1. resigning Chris Morris
2. resigning Terry Mills
3. solving the Anderson/Blaylock problem
4. deciding whether or not Fitch goes

Jeff Eldredge
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:50:26 GMT
	<1992Apr14.151848.48518@uvmark.uucp>
	<1992Apr16.012700.1032@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.012700.1032@wpi.WPI.EDU> jcaproni@gelfand (Joseph Barry Caproni) wrote:
>> However, if Dee Brown comes back then Bird will be needed. Brown cannot run
> the offense by himself at this time. I think that it is very fourtunate that
> Brown went out after Bird. Without Bird on the floor, I think Dee might have
> lost some of the recent games if Ford decided to use him at point guard.

Now this is an interesting observation.  The Celtics are worse with just
Bird out, but not as bad with both Bird and Brown out?  Kind of like how
you need milk to help digest peanut butter?

Anyway, all of the suggestions that Boston is somehow better with Bird out
are just silly.  Was *is* true is that both Bird and the Celtics need to
realize that the can't be used like the Larry Bird of 5 years ago, i.e.,
35+ minutes every night and the first option every time down the court.
Also, he can't have carte blanche to jack up as many bad shots as he wants.
And finally, take him in those stretches when he becomes a defensive
liability.

I think they would have been better served if, starting at the beginning of
the year, they handled him like they did Parish:  no more than 30 minutes a
game, and lots of 15 minute games when he's not needed.  Of course, since
Bird has publicly stated that he would rather not play than play 30 minutes
a game, that's probably a difficult thing to get him to do.

--
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (NCNHJGMTB)
Subject: Re: Sixers Draft Question
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:07:16 GMT

It would be nice to get one of the top picks, because if they don't I 
really think Charles is gone after the season and the sixers will begin 
to massively rebuild. It wouldn't suprise me if the only untouchables on the
roster would be Hawk and Dawk, and with Katz's well known lack of any type
of master plan who knows what might transpire. 

For thoes of us who are almost done suffering through this dreadful season
does any one know when the lottery takes place? I only hope the sixers don't
get 'lucky' and land Laetner. I would really hate to have to change teams 
to the Heat or Hawks. Ugh........



Luke.
From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (NCNHJGMTB)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Draft Question
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:42:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham

To clear up the mast confusion about the sixers #1, in the Jason Williams
trade they gave up either the 93 or the 94 #1. If the 93 pick is a lottery
pick then the sixers have the right to take it and give the 94 pick to 
Phe. 

By the way does any sixer fan know who they are looking at with the number 1
they have this year? I would assume it is Power Forward/Center type but 
am not sure who will be available in the #9 spot. And please tell me that 
Kenny Payne's contract is up so we can get rid of a truly horrible past
number one pick.



Luke
From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Larry Bird
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

Well, here I am again, reading more trash talk of Larry Bird.  Some people here
want some statistics, well, off the top of my head, I'll give you some.

Drafted 1st round 6th pick 1978, staying in college, probably would have been
the first pick in '79.

Rookie of the Year 1980, NBA Championships 1981, 1984, 1986, until this year, the
only basketball player EVER to win the athlete of the year award (1986, Jordon
won it this year to become the second ever), NBA Most Valuable Player in 1984,
1985, 1986 (only Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain have been able to get three
I think that ability puts him above the level of Karl Malone or Scottie Pippen.
I'm not deriding them or doubting their prowess, but Bird has abilities they
don't.  

Well all you Bird haters, you have your opinions and I have mine, I'm sick of seeing whiny complaints about bird not being a superstar (could you do what he does?, I can't)? So when you can compare bird in his prime (something along the lines of an NBA championship, MVP in finals and season, 28 ppg, 10 rpg, ~8apg) and with the others you compare him to the other forwards in the league and
still believe that bird isn't All-Star, Hall of Fame material, then you really are screwed up in the head!

Go Celtics!

Neil
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls Will Lose Some More.
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:05:57 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <13335@xenna.Xylogics.COM>, russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux) writes:
> 
> 
>>There has been a lot of speculation and gloating over recent Bull's
>>losses.  The netters are reading too much into these games.
> 
> You bulls fans seem to have a short memory!  If you could control
> your emotions a bit when your team wins some games, then you may
> expect the same from your counterparts!
> 
>>nothing at stake, he is giving the bench much more playing time to
>>develop their confidence for the playoffs and is trying to get a lot
>>of rest for the starting 5 so they can build to another peak in the
>>playoffs.
> 
> The Bulls starting five minutes have not gone down considerably!

I don't have the numbers to prove it, but my impression is that 
Cartwright is getting less minutes, and Jackson's choice of players 
in critical times near the end of the game is not to have the 
starting five always in.  Hodges, Levingston, and Williams seem to 
be in the games more to build their confidence.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: mtume@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Annette Bernhardt)
Subject: Bulls first-round playoff ticket - want it?
Organization: SSPPCC, University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:31:04 GMT


I have an extra first-round playoff ticket: Bulls versus whoever,
probably NJ or Miami, second game, in Chicago (the absolute best
place to see any NBA game!) , second balcony.  They haven't
posted dates yet, should be sometime next week, toward the end.
Write or give me a call (312) 684-1257

Annette Bernhardt