HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:26:57 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II):
>You should not have to read news.announce.newgroups to know what is
>happening to any other newsgroup.

I disagree.  It is best that all proposals be localized.  Otherwise,
if you can't keep up with a high-volume group (especially if that
group expires quickly on your server), you might miss a proposal
posted in it -- a problem not faced with the low-volume n.a.n.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'chord' program
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:27:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.135436.966@msdhsv.ingr.com>, scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>In article <BxBM0u.CLI@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, vallury@mesun2.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Vallury Prabhakar) writes:
[ they're both looking for "chord" ]

It's available by anonymous FTP from either of these places:

   freja.diku.dk  /music/programs/chord-1.2.shar.part.1
                                  chord-1.2.shar.part.2
 
   lth.se  /archive2/netnews/alt.sources/volume92/sep/chord.v1.2.part.1_2.Z
                                                      chord.v1.2.part.2_2.Z

Version 1.2 has some nice enhancements over earlier versions, like
the ability to print 2-up or 4-up on a page, some nice page numbering
options, and support for transposition.

For the benefit of anyone who wonders what the heck we're talking about,
"chord" takes a simple ASCII input file with lyrics to a song and
embedded chord names, and reformats it into Postscript with the chords
over the words.  It's very handy; thanks, Martin.

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   -__ __ /_   Jon Berger              "If you push something hard enough,
  //_// //_/   jonb@ingres.com          it will fall over."
_/ ---------                              - Fudd's First Law of Opposition
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:51:53 GMT

In article <7781@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.084510.10599@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:

	Why do we need to see this in music.makers?
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Leslie speaker questions
From: williams@ab.wvnet.edu (Tom Williams)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:44:47 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

mjs@sequent.com (Mike Spitzer) writes:
> 
> I'd like to have more control over the speed of the Leslie.  Does anyone know
> what I need to build (or can buy) to plug into the Leslie to give me a
> speed control?

          I'm not big on electrical stuff, but I have owned a couple
          of Leslies.  You are probably not going to like the
          answer...

          The speed switch sets off a relay inside the Leslie cabinet,
          and that relay toggles between two sets of coils in the
          motors.  As a matter of fact, each *one* of the motors
          (upper and lower rotors) probably qualifies as a pair of
          motors that happen to share the same rotor and bearings.

          The point is that the speed control is in no way continuous.

          I am guessing that the brake attachment (news to me when
          referring to a 147) is used to stop the rotors *completely*,
          as opposed to the traditional fast/slow toggle.

          Incidentally, there is a wah-wah sized pedal available,
          called the Rotovibe, which has a reputation for being a
          fairly decent Leslie imitation, *and* has continuously
          variable speed.  Purists like myself would never want that
          feature, as it seeks to improve on perfection :-).

> Also, if anyone has any tips for micing this thing, I'd be interesting
> in hearing that too.  I've tried a few things, but I seem to be
> getting a lot of extra wind noise from all the spinning parts...

          Yup.  If you're doing a concert, just go ahead and
          close-mike it, wind and all.  In most live situations, you
          can get away with miking just the upper horns, and
          more-or-less ignoring the bass rotor.

          If you're recording, you may want to put the Leslie
          diagonally in the corner of a room, and put the mike 6-15
          feet (uh, 2-5 meters) away.  Leslies are gorgeous in stereo,
          as well.

                                                -Tom Williams
                                                 Alderson-Broaddus College
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: CHORDS REQ: E2 AM9 E/
Date:  7 Nov 92 06:36:00 GMT

In your article;
From: fritz.owens@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Fritz Owens) 
>I think you are really complicating the issue. In another post, I have
>documented what I have been teaching for many years - it would probably
>be a good idea to have some music publisher interject the "rules" for
>chord symbols. 

I most highly recommend 'Standardized Chord Symbol Notation' 
(A Uniform System for the Music Profession)
by Carl Brandt and Clinton Roemer. 2nd edition.
ISBN 0-9612684-2-5
What could be simpler than this 45 page guide. About $2.50 U.S.
K.I.S.S. is oozing from this massive volume of 45 (yep, forty-five) 
pages!

I bought it out of frustration when I tried playing scales over chord
progressions on tenor sax, and had to spend the first half hour trying
to decipher three different and little used chord symbols for a 
F minor seventh flat five!      __
   The correct answer being;   |_  7(b5)
                               |  MI

                        ________     _____
                        |      |    |    |
following the structure |      |____|____|
                        |______|____|

This is a sample of just how simple it can be!
Regards,

Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
From: eomc40@festival.ed.ac.uk (K McBain)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Guitars
Summary: Question
Keywords: Equipment
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:15:51 GMT


Does anyone have any opinions on the following pieces of equipment:

Yamaha mt120  - 4 track

Alesis SR16 - Drum machine

BOSS ME-6  - multi-fx

Could you please E-Mail  all replies to me at the following address:

bsc903@uk.ac.napier.cs

as I am posting this through a friend and I don't have access to 
network news.  Any information on any of the above would be very helpful
as I am considering purchasing all three.  I  want to use the FX mainly 
for guitar but it would also be handy if they were good enough quality for
recording.

end of message.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:25:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.203852.29784@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>>simple name change, then say so.  Even then, it probably won't do you much
>>good because you should have said something when the THREE discussions were
>>going on.
>
>There now appears to be a consensus of evidence that implies that the
>discussions WEREN'T posted to rec.music.synth.

You're absolutely right.  The discussions took place in news.groups,
as they should have.  Of course, prior to this there were Requests For
Discussion crossposted to all related groups, with followups directed
to news.groups.  This was all done according to the oft-cited Guidelines.

If the guidelines bother you, find a way to change them.  However, if
the entire discussion were to be crossposted, people would soon add a
line to their killfiles nuking news.groups crossposts, and then again
complain when changes happen "without their knowledge."  One RFD
should be sufficient to inform the group.

I do sympathize with the point raised by one poster about the
ambiguity of the subject line in the eyes of the r.m.s participants.
Perhaps there needs to be a change in the way "affected groups" are
informed.  

The people who receive echoes of the group but have no email access
certainly can't be stuffing your mailbox with complaints, so why talk
about them?  The name change does not affect them -- it only affects
the person responsible for piping it their way.  If he decides not to
change the appropriate line in his WhateverFile, then he's responsible
for screwing over his readers, not us.

-sz
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10929 rec.music.synth:18359 news.groups:21419
From: rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:51:51 GMT

Fact: Many IRRELEVANT crosspostings occur in many newsgroups.

When I first saw the CFV article in r.m.synth I skipped over
it because the Subject line made NO MENTION of rec.music.synth.
This was not done out of ignorance on my part.  Pressing the 'n'
key when I see what I consider to be a useless, non-specific,
crossposted article, especially when said article has a Subject
line that makes absolutely NO MENTION of the newsgroup that I'm
currently reading, is a matter of course.

In any event, I don't know that I would've voted yes or no..
So wherever this newsgroup ends up, I will probably continue
to read it (when time permits!).  But please post the final
outcome (to r.m.synth) when the hoopla is over so I know if
and when I might edit my .newsrc file.


--
Bob Pietkivitch     | "Moon, my long lost friend, is smiling from above."
rjp1@ihspa.att.com  |  -- Genesis, Stagnation 1970
From: dcovell@hfglobe.intel.com (David Covell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Having CD's made.
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:54:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel Corporation

piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:

>	OK, now for the real question: What's a decent
>	place to have CD's made. We can supply a DAT,
>	and can get the printing done for the inserts
>	(unless they are done cheaply by the CD dup place)

>	What are typical minimum orders? Cost/ disk?

I suggest you call Discmakers (800) 468-9353 and request their free booklet
called "DiscMakers Guide to Master Tape Preparation". This contains lots of
good info on DAT mastering for CD production. They'll also send you a catalog
of their prices. They're not the cheapest, but their catalog will give you an
idea of available services and rates.                    
Since a large portion of the cost goes toward preparation of their glass
master, the difference between 500 and 1000 CD's is much less than 2x. If
and when you want to reorder your second batch it will be much cheaper since
remastering isn't required.
There are lots of options that affect total cost, such as printing, color of
the disc itself, packaging (jewel case, thin case, cardboard, shrink wrap, etc)
so you should be clear on exactly what you really need (i.e. demo CD's should
NOT be shrink-wrapped).
Prices per 1000 range from around $2000 w/o printing to >$3000 for deluxe
colored CD's with nice cases and printing. Prices on 500 would run only
about 25% less, so it makes little sense not to go for the full 1K.
Although there's a big up-front cost, CD's can be a good investment;
if you go for a nice package of 1000 for $3K and sell 300 of them at $10
you've recouped your expense and have 700 left for demos or whatever. This
of course doesn't include studio time. CD's make the best demo's, too; no
noise, nice packaging, and the obvious expense demonstrates that you're
serious about your music.
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DAVID COVELL (dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com)|Abuser of acoustic, electric, and
INTEL FOLSOM (California)              |Midi guitars, basses, synths, CAD tools
DESIGN ENGINEERING, EPG GROUP          |and assorted other techno-beasties
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10771 rec.music.synth:17884 news.groups:20541
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 7 Nov 1992 05:24:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Nov6.183102.22331@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>You can't prove that this consensus of a small number of people represents 
>the will of the entire readership of the net. Proof by correct politics 
>is not a proof at all. 

There is no other valid assumption. We have no expressed opinion from others.
As in real life, if you don't say anything, you let others who do say
something speak for you.

>I don't have hard evidence other than claims made to me and the net. 

Then please quit beating this horse until you do have such evidence.

>I don't retract the charge of vote fraud because I never intended to make
>one (I may not have been careful with my words so that I didn't imply it).
>Rich has appeared to be as fair as he can be WITH ONE EXCEPTION:

I'll take this as a retraction, then.

>My current charge is that the Subject line of the RFD's and CFV's (see
>the factual posting I just made seconds ago) did not include the 
>rec.music.synth group...hence people ignored the message and now we
>have this state of affairs. 

If someone is too lazy to read the messages, it's their own choice, and their
tough luck.

>Don't get so technical. I'm trying to talk to you (and the net), not become
>a net.lawyer. Why don't you voice your objections rather than making me
>something I'm not?

I have. Repeatedly. I'm getting COBOL fingers from voicing my objections. Your
arguments keep getting shot down, one by one. Why don't you just admit you
shot your mouth off without thinking, and implement the change?
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: recording bass guitar?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:57:38 GMT

In article <469@bit.UUCP>, grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
> In article <9211101002.AA20833@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
> >Argh.  I'd really like some opinions on how to get a good punchy bass guitar
> >sound.  Is it a matter of EQ?  Noise gate?  
> >I'd much rather go direct, as miking a bass amp has never been very successful (for me, anyhow).  
> >
> I've had my best success from going direct with a little mike mixed in. All
> my experience has been in pro studios so I was just the bass jockey not the
> recording engineer. I do know that most of the time very little, if any,
> extra processing was used.
> 
> >Also, a petty little question: How do you pronounce "TEAC"?
> >
> Tea-ak
> 
> -grego
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Grego Sanguinetti, Bipolar Integrated Technology | Water, water everywhere,
> grego@bit.uucp or grego%bit%ogi.cse.edu          | but I'd rather drink
> or bit!grego@ogi.cse.edu or ...!ogicse!bit!grego | beer.

** In my home studio, I record with a tascam 488-8 track cassette.
** I always record the bass direct into channel 3, I do use an MXR
** micro flange which gives the signal a bit of a boost. I seem to
** always get good results in the playbacks and mixdowns. I seem to 
** remember reading somewere about always using track 3 for bass,
** well it has worked for me. Good luck,
**                                        Loose Bruce

Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10747 rec.music.misc:27006 rec.music.folk:7495
From: gt0042a@prism.gatech.EDU (KRASLE,DARIN EDWARD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc,rec.music.folk
Subject: Request for music venues in Europe
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:34:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


A friend of mine, Kodac Harrison, wants to tour Europe with his 3 person
band. They play Acoustic rock and folk music, primarily their own
material.  I am looking for addresses of venues or contacts that may
be able to supply them.  They typically play bars that seat about 100
people.  The music is not loud and obnoxious, but suits most crouds and
gets airplay on American college radio stations. It is good beer 
drinking music since it has a touch of jazz and the blues thrown in.  
I would appreciate anyone sending me the address and phone/fax of their 
favorite European local bars that might want to have him play in the 
upcoming year. In particular I am looking for venues in Germany and France.  
Please respond via e-mail to darin@cc.gatech.edu.  
Ich spreche auch Deutsche wenn es leichter waere.

				Thanx,
					-dek
-- 
    Darin E. Krasle                        I like  >[SMARTIES]<
    "The Candy Man"
Georgia Institute of Technology  A dog is just a dog until he is facing you,    
ARPA: darin@cc.gatech.edu          then he is Mr. Dog.  - Korean Proverb
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10862 rec.music.synth:18211
From: trj@adpgate.UUCP (Tim Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Sale: Mesa Boogie, Korg, Fender, Roland,...
Keywords: FORSALE
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:44:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tongo.1735
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: pnw
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

I have the following items forsale. All, except the Casio CPS-2000, are
in excellent functional and cosmetic condition.

MESA BOOGIE MARK IV Guitar Amp. This is the one with the 200 Watt Black
  Shadow speaker. Most music stores that stock Mesa Boogie will have the
  standard Mark IV with the 80 Watt speaker. You'll spend a couple hundred
  extra for the 200 Watt. Anyway, mine's in mint condition. I paid $1850
  for it new about 6 moths ago. 
  Asking $1300 for it.

CRATE XLP solid state preamp with chorus & footswitch. Excellent condition.
  Asking $200.

ROLAND GR-50 guitar synth with GK-2 pickup. Excellent condition. 
  Asking $900 for pair.
  
ROLAND MC-300 sequencer. Excellent condition.
  Asking $100

KORG A3 guitar multiple effects processor with an additional ROM card.
  Also in excellent condition.
  Asking $500

FENDER STRAT PLUS,pewter (sp?) color, gold lace sensor pickups, a 
  beautiful guitar with hard case. Excellent condition. 
  Asking $600

ROLAND MPU-401 MIDI card for IBM PC with 1 IN, 2 OUT, 1 THRU, SYNC, and
  metronome. Also, to go with it, PERSONAL COMPOSER software with original
  disks and documentation. This is midi recording, sequencing, and score
  writing software.
  Asking $300 for both.

CASIO CPS-200 Electric piano. Excellent cosmetic condition but it has
  a fuctional problem. It takes about 10 minutes to "warm up". Utill
  it "warms up" the speaker volume is low and raspy. After it's been on
  for a while it sounds fine.
  Asking $50

Please respond via E-mail or phone. Also, I've posted this message only to
pnw because I would rather handle any transactions in person. I would
encourage any interested people to take a look/listen at any of this 
equipment. Finally, my motive for selling ... I'm trying to raise money
for my wedding :) .

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trj@adpgate.UUCP                 . . .  tektronix!nosun!cvedc!mcspdx!adpgate!trj
Voice: (503) 294-4200 ext. 4099      . . . uunet!apple!motcsd!mcspdx!adpgate!trj
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10734 rec.music.synth:17791 news.groups:20360 news.admin:8304
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:21:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Distribution: usa
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Nov5.204010.29872@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>>I guess people haven't heard of the idea of aliasing newsgroups.
>Some leaf nodes on USENET cannot do this. Certain connected mailing
>lists either can't or won't. 

Here we reach the crux of the matter: they won't. That action is causing the
problem, and your obstructionism is merely making matters worse.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.184419.22560@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>If you choose to ignore RFDs posted to a group you read, you do so at
>>your own peril.
>
>This is supposed to be a good practice?

Yes.

>Look...take a poll. Just what percentage of people on the net make an
>effort to keep so well informed that they dig through the guidelines
>to find this out? I'll wager 1% is an overestimate, and I'd be willing
>to bet serious money on that fact.

I knew what a CFV was, and why I should pay attention to them, long
before I would ever have characterized myself as `well-informed' about
Usenet policies.  As far as I'm concerned, it's a simple matter of
common sense that comes with the territory.

>You are showing your lack of concern for net.people here. Is this really
>what you wanted to imply?

Since I was careful to restrict the class of net.people for whom I
lack concern, yes.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry)
Subject: FOR SALE: Akai S612 sampler, $275
Reply-To: kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Kim A. Berry)
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:37:15 GMT

The Akai S612 is a 12-bit rack-mount digital sampler with a range
of 1 second at 32 kHz to 8 seconds at 4kHz. (A 2-second/16kHz
sample accommodates a full measure at 120 bpm.) Samples can be
looped, overdubbed, and fine-pitch adjusted. Playback is 6-voice
polyphonic on midi ch 1-9 from a keyboard or sequencer.

Samples are input from the front panel as either a mic or line
input, and can be stored/retrieved from the MD280 Akai Sampler disk
drive. (9 disks included.) 

I purchased the unit for $300 used about a year ago. It is a good
way to experiment with sampling without committing a lot of money.

Asking $275. Prefer to sell in Northern California, but will pay
shipping to U.S. destinations. Original boxes and manuals included.

Kim  
Work: (916) 786-3900 x4964 (voice-mail)
-- 
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     (Mr.) Kim Berry              kberry@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US