From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: More Evidence of How Homosexuals Are "Oppressed" In America
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:15:51 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <11753@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.154103.15415@udel.edu>, carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>> In article <11690@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >In article <93268@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>> >> In article <11652@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># ## #The argument advanced for antidiscrimination laws to protect homosexuals
># ## #is that they can't get decent jobs because of prejudice by employers.
># ## #Yet the evidence above suggests that there must be a lot of EXTREMELY
># ## #well-paid gay dishwashers.
># ## 
># ## You're still saying, "shut up, because you make more money than the
># ## rest of us", as if everything would be hunky-dory...
># #
># #No, I'm saying that the case for antidiscrimination laws is made
># #based on supposed large scale discrimination against homosexuals.
># #I would expect to see evidence of this discrimination in lower
># #wages, wouldn't you?
># 
># The point that you are _deliberately_ ignoring is the fact that _only_
># the higher paid, successful homosexuals can afford to come out, and
># admit that they are gay. If you could perform an accurate study, where
># all of the homosexuals who aren't out were counted as homosexuals,
># you'd get very different results.
>
>You are ignoring the possibility the other direction -- that higher
>paid, successful homosexuals have a lot more to lose by being out.
>I've seen far more "swishy" waiters than "swishy" doctors.  Now,
>"swish" isn't necessarily a sign of being out -- but it's hard to
>believe that the person engaging in such stereotypical behavior
>is going to pretend to be straight.
>

Well... to begin with, frankly, quite a lot of the "swishy" people
that I've known have been perfectly straight. Most of the homosexuals
I've known are people who a bigot like yourself would never dream are
gay. Homosexuals are, in general, quite indistinguishable from
straights until they either tell you that they're gay, or you see them
with their partner. 

And, more on the subject, people who live and work in well educated,
openminded communities, such as university professors, lawyers,
artists, etc., have a lot of fear from the community at large, but not
nearly as much of problem with the people they interact with at work.
Of course, there are always jackasses like yourself to make their
lives miserable, but in general, they're far less likely to have their
careers ruined than homosexuals working in more mainstream fields.

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