From: YUSUF HENUK <yhenuk@metz.une.edu.au>
Subject: Timtim
Originator: rahardj@antares.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 05:57:50 GMT


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> *** Originally posted in re.easttimor by gn:tapol  7:00 am 
> Dec  8, 1992 as Topic 299  "Belo's Publico interview in
> full"***
> 
> 
> BISHOP BELO REPUDIATES SJAFEI'S LIES
> 
> 
> Source: Publico, a leading Portuguese daily
> Date: 4 December 1992
> Translated from the Portuguese
> 
>                  --------------------------
> "I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE XANANA CHANGE SO FAST"
> An interview of Bishop Belo by Publico, 4 December 1992
> 
> [Intro] The Bishop of Dili, Ximenes Belo, believes that if a
> prisoner makes a statement such as that made by Xanana Gusmoa,
> this means that he has been subjected to torture.
> 
> Bishop Belo consented to a request from Publico to be
> interviewed by phone yesterday, the first interview he has
> given since Xanana Gusmao was arrested.
> 
> Cautious as always, he said, "we here are living in a
> different world". Even so, he reiterated his belief in the
> need for a referendum, he repudiated what the Indonesian
> military said, and said that the arrest of any individual,
> even if he is the leader, does not mean the surrender of the
> entire people.
>                      ---------------------
> 
> Publico: Has there been a lot of discussion about the arrest
> of Xanana Gusmao?
> Belo: Not much. People were expecting this to happen, because
> there was very little space left for him to move. With each
> passing day, it became more likely.
> 
> Publico: Did you know that he often left the bush and visited
> Dili?
> Belo: Yes, I know that he came here last year at the time of
> the visit of the Expresso journalist, Mario Robalo. Since
> then, I haven't heard about any visits.
> 
> Publico: About the latest statement of Xanana Gusmao: Do you
> think that he was telling the truth, or lying, or was it
> because he had been tortured?
> Belo: It happened so fast. If he was not telling the truth,
> he was not speaking like a genuine leader. I don't know what
> could have happened to make him change so fast.
>  
> Publico: Do you believe that Xanana has switched to being in
> favour of Indonesia?
> Belo: I don't know for certain what happened but for the past
> seventeen years, if any prisoner spoke in the way that Xanana
> has spoken, it happened as a result of torture.
> 
> Publico: It has been reported by Reuters that General Syafei
> has offered amnesty to those guerrillas who agree to surrender
> and give up their arms in seven churches and that you will
> issue a Christmas Pastoral Letter calling on them to do this. 
> Can you confirm this?
> Belo: No, I can't confirm that. It's quite false. This was
> cooked up by the military so that people would believe it.
> There is nothing whatever about any church being specified for
> this. I have not yet taken any decision on whether to issue a
> Christmas Pastoral Letter. It's all lies. We pastors have not
> taken any decisions on the matter. These are all lies. It's
> all military propaganda.
> 
> [To appreciate the significance of this denial, we reproduce
> here the report as carried in 'Jawa Pos' of 3 December: 
> 
> "In line with the persuasive approach, the supreme head of the
> Catholic Church, Bishop Belo, has prepared an appeal, in the
> form of a Pastoral Letter. "This letter will be issued in two
> weeks time, in the form of a Christmas Message," Belo told
> Jawa Pos at his residence yesterday. "Amnesty is the best way
> for those still in the forests to come down," he said. The
> following churches are being made ready for guerrilla remnants
> to surrender: the parish churches of Bobonaro, Maubisse,
> Soibada, Manatuto, Uatolari, Viqueque, Becora, the parish
> church of Baucau, and the parish church of Aileu."]
> 
> Publico: So you wont be making any appeal to the guerrillas?
> Belo: What should I appeal to the guerrillas about? This is a
> question of conscience for each individual, isn't it? To call
> on people to surrender and then kill them all. How could the
> church take responsibility for that? Each person is
> responsible for their own survival.
> 
> Publico: So you don't want to do that?
> Belo: I could only do that after hearing the conditions and
> the guarantees and after consulting with the Vatican. I can't
> do more or less than that.
> 
> Publico: What guarantees would you insist on?
> Belo: That anyone who surrenders will not be tortured, will
> not be killed, will not disappear, as happened in 1979 and
> 1980 when many Fretilin leaders disappeared.
> 
> Publico: Do you believe that the Indonesian army is capable of
> complying with the guarantees that they give?
> Belo: First of all, I have to be given the guarantees, then I
> will see.
> 
> Publico: Do you think that with the arrest of Xanana Gusmao
> and the latest statement he has made, the resistance will die?
> Belo: I can't say such a thing because Xanana is not the
> entire people. Xanana is only one inhabitant of East Timor.
> 
> Publico: Do you think that the East Timorese people will
> continue to resist Indonesia?
> Belo: You are speaking in Portugal, where you are living in a
> democratic climate. We are living in a different world. When
> one speaks about the people you must be very careful (the rest
> unintelligible to Publico).
> 
> Publico: It has been said that the International Red Cross
> will be allowed to visit Xanana next week. Would you like
> to accompany the Red Cross when it makes this visit?
> Belo: I am very busy here in Dili. Xanana is now in Bali, so
> how can I do that?
> 
> Publico: Wouldn't you like to visit him to know how he is at
> present?
> Belo: I must cope with my duties here, and only after that
> will I consider such a thing. With Christmas drawing near, I
> can't think about that.
> 
> Publico: How does it feel at the moment to be living in Dili?
> Belo: Personally, I feel fine, free before God and before the
> people.
> 
> Publico: Have you abandoned your proposal for a referendum,
> which you made to the Secretary-General of the United Nations?
> Belo: For me, that is the best solution. Whatever anyone says,
> for me that's the best solution.
> 
> Publico: Have you made your opinion known to the Vatican?
> Belo: Yes, Sir.
> 
> Publico: When was the last time that you sent any
> communication about this question?
> Belo: Several months ago.
> 
> Publico: Have you had any thoughts about what you will say in
> your Christmas Message?
> Belo: The Christmas Message is almost always the same: receive
> Christ, behave yourself, be conciliatory, the East Timorese
> people should be united and should forgive each other, That's
> what my message is.
> 
> Publico: Up to the present, your messages have not had much
> effect....
> Belo: Not yet....
> 
> Publico: Do you think that it is possible to bring about
> reconciliation between everyone?
> Belo: I have my doubts. The bad thing for Timorese is the
> division between them, in the past, in the present, and I
> think also in the future.
> 
> Publico: Aren't you thinking of visiting Portugal shortly?
> Belo: To go there now would be a waste of time. It isn't
> necessary.
> 
> Publico: Don't you want to be in Fatima on the next 13 May?
> Belo: On a previous occasion in 1990, several bishops did not
> want to see me there. My Fatima is here in Timor.
> 
-------------------"TEST KEPLIN-PLANISME"-----------------------

  Dear Indoz-netters,
       Berikut adalah contoh seorang temanmu yang calon `Master in
Rural Science' pada Universitas New England ingin mengetest sejauh
mana `keplin-planisme' dari teman se-Indoz-netnya yang calon `Ph.D
in Politics' pada Universitas Monash. Tolong buka semua catatanmu
dan jangan lupa bawa/buka kamus serta kalau bisa dibantu  dengan
penterjemah untuk menjawab beberapa pertanyaan yang paling gampang
dibawah ini :
A. Pilihlah jawaban yang paling tepat.
1. Siapa yang menterjemahkan artikel diatas (i.e.: "translated from
   Portuguese" by .....?) =
   a. David Bourchier.
   b. Maubere.
   c. Zanderson.
   d. John A. MacDougall.
   e. Asia Watch.
   f. Tidak ada jawaban yang benar.
      (Kalau anda pilih jawaban (f) maka tolong sebutkan nama samaran/
       nama lengkap penterjemahnya).
2. Siapa yang paling cocok sebagai pemimpin di Timor Timur =
   a. Abilio Jose Osorio Soares (Indonesia).
   b. Jose Alexandre "Xanana" Gusmao (Indonesia).
   c. Alfredo Ferreira (Australia).
   d. Jose Ramos Horta (Australia).
   e. Abilio Araujo (Portugal).
   f. Constantio Pinto (Portugal).
3. Siapa pemimpin kebanggaanmu di Timor Timur =
   a. Abilio Jose Osorio Soares (Gubernur Baru).
   b. Theo Syafei (Panglima Baru).
   c. Ximenes Belo (Uskup).
   d. Mario Carascalao (Mantan Gubernur).
4. Kebetulan anda sebagai seorang calon politikus, diplomat dari
   negara mana yang anda kagumi =
   a. Senator Evans (Australia).
   b. Ali Alatas (Indonesia).
   c. Jose Deus Pinheiro (Portugal).
5. Negara mana yang paling anda banggakan sebagai pembela rakyat 
   Timor Timur =
   a. Australia.
   b. Indonesia.
   c. Portugal.
   d. Amerika Serikat.
   e. Kanada.
   f. Negara lain yang mungkin anda banggakan, seperti : ..........

B. Berikan sedikit komentarmu tentang kedua artikel yang terkutip 
   dibawah ini =
   1. THE AUSTRALIAN                 December 3, 1992, p. 10.
      -------------------------------------------------------
                   Voice of East Timor
                 is not easily silenced  
         It was reported in the news that after the interro-
     gation by Indonesian forces of the captured East Timorese
     Fretilin leader Xanana Gusmao, an Indonesian army general
     branded him a "street criminal".
         The major governments--including Australia - of the 
     world had little to say (or do) when Indonesia invaded
     and overwhelmed East Timor in 1975, an act much akin to
     the invasion of Poland by Nazi armies in World War II.
         It appears that just because Gusmao did not weakly
     submit to the Indonesians, that he is to be treated as
     a common criminal, merely for fighting for what he and
     the East Timorese believed in, and regard as rightfully
     theirs.
         The Indonesian general claimed that only Australia
     and Portugal opposed the takeover. In fact, Portugal and
     the United Nations opposed and refused to recognise the
     takeover. Australia voiced its objection later.
         It appears that economic, diplomatic and political
     interests worldwide supersede the rights of the common
     people.
         With the strong worldwide media interest in the 
     subject, I note that President Suharto of Indonesia
     has largely declined, presumably through embarrasment,
     leaving it to his general, and even they have got it
     wrong!.
         What right have these "gun jockeys" to make public
     comment, any how, on behalf of their government?  I
     would suggest that in many Third World Countries, and
     dare I suggest first and second, that the generals are
     the "street criminals" legitimated by governments with
     dubious intentions, and by external pressure groups with
     vested interests.
         In the world today with its immense economic and social
     problems, it is the people who must fight and take respon-
     sibility - like Gusmao - for reform. We cannot leave it to
     governments or their simple puppets, the generals. They are
     not capable!.
         The need for the public to take responsibility for their
     country exists even in Australia. Need more be said?.
                                          [your friend],
                                          IAN R. DOUGLAS
                                          Bateman, WA.
     -------------------------------------------------------------

   2. Northern Territory News,          Friday, November 20, 1992, p.9
      ----------------------------------------------------------------
                            Fretilin queried

          I live much of my time very happily in Indoenesia. I provide
     medical help for children and am not involved in politics. Much is
     written in Australian newspapers - including yours - regarding 
     Fretilin.
          It is represented as the voice of East Timor. I doubt this. 
     The voice I hear from East Timor speak with gratitude to Indonesia
     for hospitals, schools and better roads. I hear little of Fretilin
     and I think Australians should be better informed.
          Could Fretilin representatives please inform us as to the 
     following.
          If Fretilin governed East Timor what representation would they
     give to the other political parties of East Timor?.
          Would they form an alliance with Portugal and look to Portugal
     for support?.
          What would their attitude be to East Timor?.
          The West Timorese [including: Yusuf L. Henuk,cs] are happily to
     be reunited with East Timor.
          Fretilin, don't you think its time for a reconciliation  with
     Indonesia?.
          Surely this could be arranged through a UN commision or whatever.
          East Timorese Australians [including: David Bourchier,cs], don't
     you think it's time to "break ties" with former country? [like the
     separation of Prince Charles and Lady Diana]. This applies to all from
     other countries. 
          From the momments my Swedish grandfather landed in Australia he was
     grateful to Australia for the opportunities it was giving him. He was
     a loyal Australian [unlike you, Davied Bourchier,cs] all his life and
     proud to be of this country.    
                                                   [my friend],
                                                   Miss Vonny Helberg,
                                                   Wynyard, Tasmania.
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     Selamat ber`weekend' sambil bekerja, semoga dari semua jawabanmu dapat
     menggambarkan/menunjukan dengan jelas siapa sebenarnya anda, apakah anda
     seorang calon politikus yang `plin-plan' atau sebaliknya. Kalau anda men-
     jawab walaupun tidak benar berarti anda bukan `plin-plan' tetapi kalau
     sebaliknya tidak ada tanggapan samasekali maka tidak ada gunanya  anda
     hidup walaupun nanti bergelar: David Bourchier, PhD. 

Tester,
Yusuf L Henuk.
yhenuk@metz.une.edu.au
---------------------- 
Dept. of Animal Scinece,
Phone: (067) 73 3007.
Univ. of New England,
Armidale, N.S.W. 2351.
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