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From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.033553.20057@video.rogers.com>, gschenk@video.rogers.com (Gerry Schenk) writes:
> Laurence,
> 
>   What gives you the right to judge anyone?  Were you born with some moral
> fibre, that no one else has.  Do you have some Soloman characteristics, that
> all of us should be listening to.  What have you personally done, other than
> berate other people?  Actions are louder than words.  What actions have you
> taken?
> 
>   Have you done anything personally to end the human suffering that is 
> occurring today, or that has happened in the past?  Have you donated money to 
> the Red Cross and other relief orgranizations, to help them deal with the
> suffering caused by "Never Let it happen again events"?  Did you write your 
> government to complain about the support that was given to the Pol Pot regime,
> when they were fighting the Vietnamese, and how the criminals in this regime
> were never brought to trial to be held accountable for their crimes?  Did you
> ever, as a Jew, protest to the Israeli government, about how the Israeli
> Defense Minister was allowed to keep his seat in the Knesset, after taking
> responsibility for the Palistinian refuge camp massacre in Israels so called
> security zone? 

Let's see now:  I have been on more anti-racist demos against South Africa
than I could possibly count, I spent 2 years doing voluntary work visiting
police prisoners, I spent a year doing voluntary work in a drugs detox centre,
I presently do voluntary work as chairman of one of the largest tenants'
associations in London, I used to run a housing coop in Canada, I have
done voluntary work as a school governor, I used to do voluntary legal
advice in New York, I spent a year helping to detox a young heroin 
addict in London, I spend almost all my free time nowadays helping local
people in London get their council house repairs done, I complained
beitterly about the Israeli treatment of Palestinians.  Will that do
for you?  

What gives me the right to judge???  I have the same right to make my
own judgements as anyone else.  My right to judge could only be called
into question if I was judging something I knew nothing about, but this
is not the case with your awful country - I lived in it for two years.


> Finally, keep in mind before you begin to judge people, in the end, there will
> be only one Judge.  You as a Jew, and I as a Christian, both know, that the
> final Judge is God.
> 
I am not a believing jew, and never have been.  You can pray as much as you
like, it won't do you the slightest bit of good.  Don't pray for me though, 
I don't need it thanks.

> 
> I pray to God, that he forgives you and helps you.
> 
> ->Gerry Schenk
> 
Laurence
From: ck984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Petr Podruh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: PLEASE HELP US !!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:47:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi all!
The students from Czechoslovakia plan out ride
on bycycles from Czech (Pilsen) to Italy (Venice).
Dailyreach will be 150 Km about.
They need some delivery van for their travel.
Complete travel will be long 15 day about in
August/September. They want find any free accommodation,
becouse for students from Czechoslovakia are
campings in abroad very expansive. Every sponsor
or help is welcomed!!
The students are able pay for fuel to automobile.
   Please help us !!!
           Thank you very much!!!
     My e-mail is ck984@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 Thank you again
   -- Petr
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Freedom of speech WAS Re: Lawrence Godfrey
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:13:58 GMT
	<ALTI.92Dec8163103@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <Bz0Eq3.Hn1@nic.umass.edu>
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <Bz0Eq3.Hn1@nic.umass.edu> mrunkel@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Marc A. Runkel) writes:

   alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) writes:

   >I don't think that outlawing things like the Hitlergru\3 and using
   >swastikas is resticting the freedom of speech. Everybody using this
   >sort of symbols is using them just for provocation and I don't see any
   >reason why we shouldn't defend the memories of the victims of fascism
   >by outlawing these things.

   Just because YOU don't see the reason doesn't mean there isn't one, eh?
   That's the whole point of not allowing ANYONE to be censored.  You never know
   when public opinion will sway against YOUR ideas or beliefs.  

Certainly no OPINION should be censored. But this does not imply that
every act which just uses language is legitimate. I.e. if you spread
lies about somebody, if you offend other people then this is not
considered as a mere expression of an opinion. Certainly there is a
grey area, where you express an opinion AND maybe you offend somebody.
Liberalism, for me, implies that "in dubio pro reo". However, if
somebody offends all the victims of facism who had to die under
horrible circumstances or propagates genocide THEN I would NOT
consider this as the expression of an opinion, and I would do
everything in my power to stop people doing this.

Tolerance means to accept that there is not one truth, one moral
principle above all other. It does not imply that there is no moral,
no difference between good and bad.

--

 Thorsten Altenkirch         	And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
 Laboratory for Foundations  	   And gie's a hand o' thine,
 of Computer Science 	      	And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught
 University of Edinburgh     	   For auld lang syne!
From: bobb@cabezon.uucp (Bob Boulanger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:00:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Dec16.180021.4847
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <92349.175152L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I am reading _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer, and wondering
>how truthful he is.  It seems  he's very honest, but he had considerable
>time to do research after he got out of Spandau.  (On the other hand, he
>supposedly lived in seclusion for 3 years or so after his prison term.)
>
>-- Did Albert Speer deserv 20 year prison sentence?
>   (According to him, he deserves it.  But, it seems to me he's trying
>   to unburden the "guilt of all German" from German people, and carry
>   it all by himself.)

All depends on how you look at it. Did Albert Speer pick up a gun and shoot
anyone, or drop the ZyklonB into the chambers, or even fire up a crematorium?
Never any evidence to that effect. However, he was responsible for designing
crematoria and gas chambers, and in some cases overseeing their construction.
He surely knew what both those facilities were to be used for, so he 
certainly has some culpability.

Was 20 years excessive? That's a different question. Speer was probably one
of the brightest members of Hitler's entourage and advisory staff. (Oh yes,
at the end of the war Speer was in charge of all the munitions and 
factories in germany, where they using slave labor.) He seems to have known,
and understood quite clearly, what he was doing when he got involved with
the Nazis. He is also one of the few ranking Nazis who ever showed any
real regret or remorse at what HE had perpetrated - the rest of them only
wanted to save their own asses. Unlike many others who were tried and convicted,
Speer did not resort to the argument that he what he did only because he
was following orders. He accepted responsibility for his actions.

My opinion is that all things considered, Speer was damn lucky to get off
as lightly as he did. His self-acceptance of responsility and his apparently
honest remorse were very likely his saving grace.

>-- What is Albert Speer doing now?

Lying peacefully (maybe tortuously, who knows) in the ground. Albert Speer
died not that many years after being released from Spandau Prison. If 
memory serves, and I'm not anywhere near my books to look it up at the
moment, Speer was released in 1967 and died in 1976(?).


Tschuess,
Bob Boulanger



-- 
Bob Boulanger
Logic Modeling Corporation
SmartModel Division
19500 NW Gibbs Drive
From: bsrrg@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Hilfe beim Uebersetzen
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:23:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <15843@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, 
dieter@ficus.auspex.com (Dieter Rothmeier) writes:

> Caution, High Energy, Hazard Present.
> 
> Mein Versuch ist
> 
> Vorsicht, Hochenergie, Gefahr
     |           |            |
     OK.    vielleicht:       OK.
            "Hochspannung"

oder:
Vorsicht! Gefahr durch Hochspannung.

Richard
From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German flag - What does it symbolize?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:01:40 GMT
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <1992Dec10.032153.11395@polaris.utu.fi>, Olli-Jukka Paloneva writes:
> There is a red, orange and black stripe in the German flag. What does
> that mean.

Well, I was told that the
  Red is for the socialist north
  Black is for the conservative south
  Gold is to unite them in thier common goal.

.. but then my german friends were always pulling my leg.  :>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ruediger@leland.Stanford.EDU (ruediger dung)
Subject: Re:Deutsche_in_den_USA: Thanx
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:58:40 GMT

Hallo,
erst einmal vielen Dank an alle, die sich die Muehe gemacht hatten,
auf meine zwei Fragen zu antworten. Als kurze Zusammenfassung:

******
Zur 1.Frage: Ob es eine Abstimmung im US-Abgeordnetenhaus gegeben hat,
             welches die offizielle Landessprache werden soll.

Diese Abstimmung scheint also ein Geruecht zu sein, das sogar einen
eigenen Namen hat: die Muhlenberg Legende. Zu dieser Frage war die
Referenz interessant, die Thomas Gerber gepostet hat:

_Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language_, by David Crystal, published
by the Cambridge University Press, (c)1987.  In the interest of
completeness, ISBN 0 521 26438 3.

from page 365:

_A planning myth_

Probably the best-known myth in the history of language planning is
the story that German nearly became the national language of the US in
the 18th century, losing to English by only one vote in the
legislature (the "Muhlenberg" legend).  In fact, all that was involved
was a request, made by a group of Virginia Germans, to have certain
laws issued in German _as well as_ in Englih.  The proposal was
rejected by one vote, apparently cast by a German-speaking Lutheran
clergyman, Frederick Muhlenberg (1750-1801).  But the general status
of English as the majority language was never in doubt.  (After S.B.
Heath and F. Mandabach, 1983.)

*****
Zur 2.Frage: Sozialverhalten der US-Amerikaner und oekologisches
             Bewusstsein.

Es ist schwierig, die Antworten auf diese Anfrage zusammenzufassen, da
die Frage sehr subjektiv ist. Im Prinzip moegen alle die gemuetliche
Art des Einkaufens und des Strassenverkehrs, haben jedoch ihre Schwierigkeiten
mit der "Privatfreizeitkultur" . Ein oekologisches Bewusstsein scheint sich
langsam auch in den U.S.A. durchzusetzen, auch wenn zum Beispiel Recycling
regional sehr unterschiedlich betrieben wird. Hierzu ist allerdings meine
persoenliche Meinung, dass vom Grossteil der Leute Recycling nur halbherzig
betrieben wird. Ein Muellkippenproblem scheint es wohl nicht zu geben.

Noch einmal vielen Dank und ein friedvolles Weihnachtsfest wuenscht Euch
Ruediger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: CVD : alt.hate.german WAS Re: Oh! No more L. ...
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:28:51 GMT

In article <ALTI.92Dec17173440@colonsay.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) writes:
> In article <29680@castle.ed.ac.uk> andreb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Andre Bergholz) writes:
> 
>    If you can't stop hating other people please found your own newsgroup
>    rec.sport.hate.lawrence and post your articles there.
> 
> I had a similar idea after I have seen a posting by a comrade of
> Lawrence (I think it was in soc.culture.croatia). I'd rather go for
> alt.hate.german to include them all.
> --

I've never posted anything to soc.culture.croatia

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT])
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE GERMAN UNIVERSITIES LIKE?
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:01:57 GMT

zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:
>pikoehn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Philipp Koehn) writes:
>>ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah D. Smith) writes:
>>>ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah D. Smith) wrote:

>[stuff deleted]

>>>> What are your student governments like?
>>There is nearly no such thing. Only few students are allowed to take
>>part in the relevant councils, which are only concerned with 
>>university topics. There is in fact a student goverment, but it has
>>no rights.

This is basicly true. In most states (?, =Bundeslaender) they have
the right to collect fees from all students, but that's it.

>This depends on where in Germany you are studying. The rights of student
>governments are very few in Bayern and Baden-Wuerttemberg (the reason of
>which stems from the seventies, where the politicians forbade political
>work of student government in these two states) 

This is not true! They abandoned their right to enforce payments from all
students (Beitragshoheit), but there was always a student government. 
There also were so called "independant" student goverments in these
states, so that you could have (still have ?) two "student goverments"
on the same university - which has strengthened student interests
enourmuosly ... 

>but not in the rest of
>the old BRD (I am not aware of the situation in the Ex-DDR, though).

There is a decision of the constitution court (Bundesverfassungsgericht),
that student governments who can enforce student payments are restricted
with their activities to student- and uiniversity-related themes.
But this applied to all states the same - maybe Bayern and Badem-Wuert-
temberg did more to enforce this rule.

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr

-- 
  Christoph Weber-Fahr                  |  E-Mail:  weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de 
  Universitaet Kaiserslautern,  KIT     |  S-Mail:  Postfach 3049
  Tel. 0631/205-3391                    |           D-6750 Kaiserslautern
--------------------------  My personal opinion only    ---------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood)
Subject: WEEKEND DEMONSTRATIONS
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:46:05 GMT

Hamburg - More than 300,000 people formed a human chain with candles to
show their support AGAINST Auslaenderfeindlichkeit!

Frankfurt - A rock concert was held in an effort to wake up the silent
majority in Germany.  Die Toten Hosen, Fantastische Vier, und viele
andere waren dabei.  Over 100,000 people were in attendence. The concert
was free and the performers received no money.  The event was televised
live throught Germany and Europe. The motto of the Concert was
"Heute Die - Morgen Du!".


Those were the major ones.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey T. Hazelwood                    Universitaet Heidelberg
EMAIL: y41@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de       Heidelberg, Germany 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Re: ASYLBEWERBER TATSACHEN
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:22 GMT

Jeffrey Hazelwood (y41@aix320c.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) wrote:
: Below are some statistics recently stated on
: a television program (They were shown on a chart, and I copied them down.)
: The statistics come from the official police records for the State of
: Baden-Wuertemburg.  A major asylum center (holding center) is located in
: the city of Karlsruhe in Baden-Wuertemburg.
: 
: Criminal Statistics per 100,000 
: -------------------------------
: 
:                      Deutschen  Auslaender     Asylbewerber
: SEXUAL STRAFTATEN       21         72             224
: RAUB                    16         88             350
: RAUSCHGIFT             101        298             528
: DIEBSTAHL              537       2,186           14,524
: 
:As you can clearly see, the Asylbewerber commit WAY more crimes than foreigners
:and more importantly, Germans.  In fact, it was pointed out that these 
:figures are "flawed" and here's why: Within the 100,000 Germans, there are
:elderly men and women and many more children who are obviously not out raping,
:stealing and doing drugs.  The asylum seekers are generally not 80 year olds, 
:etc., but rather younger to middle aged people.  
: 
That would make the count for Germans appear *lower* than it should be,
don't you agree?  Maybe I'm misreading your comments.  But there's 
another problem: are these the numbers of people arrested, tried,
convicted, or what?  No matter which one, though, the counts could be
influenced by prejudice against foreigners: maybe they're more likely
to be pursued or caught than German offenders.  And maybe, if there
were a stronger effort to integrate them into society, those counts
would drop drastically.

: Now, take these figures and try to convince the average German that they 
: should NOT do something about the asylum problem.  Many people see these
: statistics and then say, "How can we keep letting all of those criminals in
: here?"  I think the statistics speak for themselves.
: 
Statistics *never* speak for themselves.  Statistics are used by people
to speak for *themselves*.


--
Davebo                    "Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard.
                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German troops to Somalia???
From: NBRIGHAM@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:41:02 MST
Distribution: soc.culture.german,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Dec18.070230.6674@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer) writes:
 
>Our gouvernment wants to send 1500 troops to Somalia. They want to send
>not only transport, medical and technical units but also some infantry
>to protect them.
>
>This is the first time our gouvernment wants to send combat troops
>out of the NATO area. The opposition says this breaks the constitution,
>and a former admiral said on TV those soldiers who go commit a criminal
>offense.
>The opposition is especially upset that this decision is made some days
>after the beginning of the christmas break of our parliament.
>
>
>The german constitution says our troops may only be used in the way the
>constitution describes: to defend Germany and our allies against armed
>attacks against their territory (and to aid the german police in certain
>exactly described cases).
>
>However, gouvernment and opposition agree that relief operations like
>the transport aircraft currently operating in africa are legal if the
>forces are not armed.
>--
>* Onno Meyer - Kastanienallee 40 - 2900 Oldenburg - Deutschland  *
>*     e-mail: Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de        *
>* Mathe-Student, und auch etwas Informatik...                    *
 
 
Wasn't Kohl quoted on TV as saying that he wanted to send these troops
to improve Germany's image worldwide? Heck of a reason to send troops
anywhere irregardless of the reason. Kinda sounds like something Reagan
would do, but I digress.
 
Also I wonder how effective unarmed infantry troops would be.....
 
 
NICHOLAS A BRIGHAM                   ~      UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
NBRIGHAM@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU            ~        TUCSON, ARIZONA
NBRIGHAM@ARIZVM1.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU    ~
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From: masc0100@rohan.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Volkmar Koch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:32:03 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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The next lines don't represent my opinion, I have posted it for a friend,
so don't blame me!!

Liebe Freunde der Deutschen Sprache!

Ich bin erschreckt darueber, dass ich in der deutschen newsgroup wienerische
Auswuechse der deutschen Sprache lesen muss.

Ich sehe zwar ein, dass Ihr Euch irgendwo austoben muesst, da Ihr es  
es bisher nicht zu einer eigenen newsgroup gebracht hat, aber warum dann 
gerade in der deutschen newsgroup?

Warum posted ihr das nicht lieber in europe.jokes, vielleicht waere das die
richtige newsgroup.


:) fuerti..!
and keep smiling.
and don't feel offended...
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: "Das Schreckliche Maedchen"
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:52:44 GMT
Reply-To: j.theodore.schuerzinger@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Heute sah ich den ausgezeichneten Film "Das Schreckliche Maedchen".  Am
Anfang des Films sagte der Regisseur, Michael Verhoeven, dass der Film
auf etwas, das in Passau geschah, gegruendet ist.  Ich habe viele
Verwandte, die in der Naehe Passau wohnen, und ich habe mich bewundert,
was in Passau geschah.  Vielen Dank fur alle Auskunft darueber.

Today I saw the excellent movie "The Nasty Girl".  At the beginning of
the film the director, Michael Verhoeven, says that the film is based
on actual events that happened in Passau.  I have a lot of relatives
living in the Passau area, and I was wondering just what it was that
took place in Passau.  Thanks in advance for any information about
this.

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: holz@obelix.fb-inf2 (E. Holz)
Subject: Re: Information for trip to Germany...
Reply-To: holz@obelix.fb-inf2
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:28:53 GMT

>I heard it is usual in USA to get your coffee cup refilled for free.
>I'd appreciate German restaurants to do so!

Did you ever drink american "coffee" ?

>
>REinhard
>__________________________________________________________
>    Reinhard Schoen          rschoen@mathematik.uni-ulm.de
>     Bruehlstr. 19
>      7900 Ulm 12         If at first you don't succeed,
>        GERMANY        destroy all evidence you ever tried.



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