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Name: Christopher Mark Conn
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:14:44 CDT
From:         "(Christopher Mark Conn)" <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      blade runner - the director's cut

I finally saw it last night and was impressed...

the changes were subtle, mostly they just cleaned the film
up a bit. One thing that I noticed is that without the
voice-over narration I could concentrate more on the
incredible views of the fututistic city which are without
a doubt the best I've ever seen in a science fiction movie!

Blade Runner is and always will be a classic, I think.

For the person who asked, it is based on a novel called
_Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ by Philip K. Dick.
Dick died about the time the film was in production, and
since his death his works have been released in several
nice editions. I highly recommend them... they are the
most interesting and intelligent science fiction stories
and novels I've ever read! Not your everyday stuff. He
was also an influence on the Cyberpunk sf writers William
Gibson (author of _Neuromancer_. If they ever film this
one I'll be first in line!) and Bruce Sterling (who is a
familiar figure here in Austin).

_______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Mark Conn              Once in a while it really hits people that
sascmc@unx.sas.com                 they don't have to experience the world in
Leander, Texas                     the way they have been told to.
                                                              - Alan Keightly
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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re:      Re: Blade Runner (Director's Cut
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:56:10 GMT

In article <CINEMA-L%92091411542102@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET> writes:
>Yischon Liaw....
>It would have been nice to have "discovered" these differences on my own!
>Mike.
>MSU.

	Sir, with all due respect, don't complain to us about your accidental
	discovery of the Director's Cut BEFORE you saw it.  I can understand
	your anger, but I think you should follow this general rule to be
	safe, cause we are not out to protect those who have not seen it:

	Don't read a posting that clearly relates to a movie you have not
	seen, especially if you know that it has been released already.
	
	I avoided reading the posts for BR until after I saw it, I don't like
	my movie fun spoiled, either.  So READ DEFENSIVELY!

						- Rob


					GENESIS:
				     "So don't tell anybody
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/  what I wanna do
	_/     _/  _/       _/     _/ If they find out 
	_/     _/  _/       _/        you know that Ripley will be there too
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/        Oh no no it's no fun
	_/   _/    _/       _/        being a Giger Alien
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/ Oh no no it's no fun
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/  being a Giger Alien" 
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)

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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:15:46 CDT
From:         JOHN COBB <S058990@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      THEMES

     I will be brief to open a discussion.
HERE GOES
     Themes from Shakespeare's work's found in the T.V., Films and Novels in
Star Trek and Star the Next Generation.
     I hope we have fun working on this one - please take time to think about
this.
                                  JOHN
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From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: AILEN3

>Hi,
>
>   A quick question : What was Ripleys rank in Ailen3??????????
>
>                         Thanx in advance
>                                         Jojo
>
Yes, I agree Aliens3 was very rank.

--Ooops, Sorry

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,
              Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      _Fried Green Tomatoes_

I saw this for the first time last night.  GREAT MOVIE.  But I still wondered
about one thing:  is Jessica Tandy's character (what's her name again?) Izzy
(Mary Stuart Masterson's character)?  I got the impression that she is in the
beginning, when the camera showed her wearing converse high-tops.  And how
does that "battle cry" of Kathy Bates go?  Is it "Towanda!"?  Or "To Wanda!"?


Eugene "Euge" Yee        ###     #      #     ###          yee@dickinson.edu
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:02:28 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: rejected

Subj:   rejected

>I noticed that as soon as I made a negative comment about GLORY I
>received a message that I've been dropped form the list - I'll
>be careful from now on.
>
>P.S. I missed any of the responses to my comments.

Peter, you see how the swift sword of retribution cuts when placed in
the hands of the morally outraged!  All those nasty jibes at Kevin have
wreaked their karmic woe.  I think you have suffered enough.
Beseech forgiveness from the deity at hand and go forth to sin no more.

j-man

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:06:43 BST
From:         "(Patrick Walsh)" <eeipwah@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re: Blade Runner (Director's Cut)

	>To further the argument that Deckard was not a Replicant, from what
	>I can remember Harison Ford states that after some War or uprising,
	>Replicants were not allowed on Earth.

	Of course, Rachael was a replicant.

	--
	-scott

   Yes, but wasn't she for research.

   I thing that the idea of giving the Replicants memories was new,
and that Rachael was a test case of this. Didn't the president of
the corporation (sorry can't remember his name) say that this was
to make them easier to control in the future, you know, the big
breakthrough in Replicant Technology.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:20:12 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: jfk

>From: Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
>Ah, JFK - I watch it frequently just to see the little snipet from
>Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In.

Touche, Peter.  Nice One.  You're still wrong about Stone (and _JFK_), but
the above did manage to make me chuckle.

			Liam.
			====-
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:43:08 -0500
From:         PHARRIS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      ATTN. Gary

If Jessica Tandy's character is not Idgie then how does she know so much about
the story to tell the thoughts of the characters? Also, where is this "mystery"
character at in the story? Surely her character (IF, that is, she isn't Idgie)
would show up somewhere in the story. At the end of the movie,Jessica Tandy
was sent home from the retirement center. She went to the former Whistle
Stop Cafe...THe place where Ruth and Idgie lived! So, if she isn't Idgie,
WHO is she?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:26:17 EDT
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rejected

>Subj:   rejected

>>I noticed that as soon as I made a negative comment about GLORY I
>>received a message that I've been dropped form the list - I'll
>>be careful from now on.
>>
>>P.S. I missed any of the responses to my comments.

>Peter, you see how the swift sword of retribution cuts when placed in
>the hands of the morally outraged!  All those nasty jibes at Kevin have
>wreaked their karmic woe.  I think you have suffered enough.
>Beseech forgiveness from the deity at hand and go forth to sin no more.

>j-man

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SHEESH PEOPLE!!!!!!!! Please read my announcements when I send them
to the list and you'll know what goes on! Peter was taken off the
list due to mail delivery problems and by no means because of anything
he said. I didn't even read his note in question. I promise you
that nobody here could offend me with their comments, and even if
they did I would not remove them from the list.

With that said (wondering if anybody read this EITHER), we return to
your regularly scheduled program.

-Mike the listowner guy
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:48:00 EDT
From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Cool movie stuff from the World Science Fiction Convention

Hey All,

  Just got back from WorldCon (Went to Disney Afterwards).  Some interesting
film stuff

1] FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA "DRACULA": Coppola was at the convention!  He brought
never before seen clips of DRACULA.  He ask to please discount early reports on
the film.  He showed an VERY rough cut with ALL the footage to a small group
telling them that it was VERY rough and 25% was still to be cut and all the
scene hadn't even been filmed yet.

The film is loaded with blood and sex.  He spoke about the "LIFE" theme through
out the story.  Blood is life, sex is life and they are related.  He spoke
about the relationship between AIDS and vampirism, that they are analogist.

They purposly did very simple effect, mostly in the camera stuff.  For a cople
of scenes they used actual hand cranked cameras to get a certain look to a
couple of scenes.  He's keeping everything very 1890's (or whenever Stoker wrote
the book).

Dracula is one of Coppola's favorite books.  He filmed the book and even more.
He said he actually goes back and explores how Dracula became a vampire.

Coppola's son Roman was second unit director and handled over seening the
effects.  He just came out of UCLA film school.  He spoke at the convention
also.. seems like a bright and talented guy.

The film has a STRONG sexual content, the clips alone where powerful enough the
"get the motors" running of everyone in the audience.

...more next message..

Dave
Stein
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Ve Are Da Gremlins From Da Kremlin...

In _Gremlins 2_, theatrical version, there is a scene where the movie
breaks down.  You hear the sound go, then the framing screws up, finally
the film jams and a hole burns into the film.  You hear some maniacal
laughter way back in the surround sound, and then you see gremlins
up in the projector booth fixing the film.  Its done very well, you
think that the film has *really* broken down at the beginning.

In the video version, the tape appears to screw up, bad tracking,
sound is garbled, etc.  This was also pretty convincing the first
time I saw it.

-scott
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:35:43 -0500
From:         PARADOX@DEPAUW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: INTOLERANCE

Friday, Michael Kerbel said:

>  it should bother us that we are missing picture
>  information on the sides, top and bottom.

I'm not sure that I entirely agree.  Certainly, for films (relatively few)
shot in wide-screen before the days of TV, this is true.  But, subsequent
films (ones made in the US, anyway) are made in the awareness that they
will be transferred to video tape, with framing decisions made relative to
this awareness.

In any case, it is true that almost _any_ camera negative will contain more
picture information than is projected in any system.  For instance, the
smaller of the two standard camera apertures for 35mm non-anamorphic
photography is .630 inches high, and the tallest 35mm projector aperture is
.603". Result -- lost piture information, but, since everyone knows it's
going to be lost, nothing nothing useful is contained in it.  Viewfinders
are marked with various framing areas as a guideline to acceptable framing
for the various formats.  If a film is made respecting the "TV safe action
area", I'm not sure that letter-boxing would be appropriate.

Louis Smogor  <paradox@depauw.bitnet>
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
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Subject: Re: Blade Runner (Is he a Replicant?)
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:09:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <CINEMA-L%92091200354159@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> ST201714@BROWNVM.BITNET writes:
>Regarding the idea of Deckard being a replicant himself, this wouldn't be the
>first time a director has changed a writer's story to make a more interesting
>one.  It's been awhile since I've seen the movie and read "Do Android Dream of
>Electric Sheep" but I seem to recall there being a police officer in the book
>who was a replicant programmed to think he was real.  His credibility is
>strengthened by the fact that he retires replicants for a living.  Maybe Ridley
> Scott combined the two characters to create a more intriguing Decker?

The novel does not answer whether Deckard is a replicant or a human.
The question, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", is already an
answer in itself.

>    Also, since I have not seen the Director's cut, but am well aware of its
>content, I want to know how Gaff knows about the unicorn dream?  

Two scenarios come to mind...

1) Gaff had access to confidential files (like Deckard), but
   unlike Deckard, he chose to look at them.

2) Maybe Gaff had similar implants like Deckard.

> Also, if Deckard was a replicant, wouldn't Gaff have an obligation
> to "retire" him also?
> ...

Sorry, I have no idea on that one.  Hope this stimulates the
discussion somewhat.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:31:49 -0500
From:         acs_hahr@ENTERPRISE.ACC.UWRF.EDU
Subject:      Re: Blade Runner
              09 Sep 92 10:18:02 CDT." <9209091422.AA04515@khan.acc.uwrf.edu>

Blade Runner officially opens September 11th nationwide. It has been billed
as The Original Director's Cut. Interviews with Ridley Scott and various
verbal reviews claim that there is a DIFFERENT ending (not just cut as
speculated, but DIFFERENT). I have no specifics as to what this is though.

ed.j.hahr@uwrf.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:48:37 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Final Analsysis of Kurasawa

Anybody seen _Rhapsody in August_, Kurasawa's latest, with Richard
Gere, supposedly the first western actor in a Kurasawa flick.

-scott
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:05:05 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject: Re: STAR-TREK

John, what season are you talking about?  The first two seasons were
terrible and I have difficulty watching them again, but from the third
season onwards, the stories get much better, characters develop, and
a lot of the problems you were talking about take care of themselves.
There are bad *people*, be they Klingon, Romulan, Ferengei, etc and as
the characters develop, they come to grips with tonnes of self-doubt, etc.
So, if you are reacting to seeing the first season for the first time (I
know that Australia is only on Season 1, so maybe Sweden is too), then
hold on for a couple of years!!

Don
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:56:10 EDT
From:         Larry Ross <AP201152@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bladerunner, director's cut

Speaking of Blade Runner, I know it's playing in New York, but does anyone
out there know what the plan is for its re-release?  Is it going to be show-
ing nationally, or just in a few cities (and is Boston one of them)?


--Larry Ross
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From:         0276-682821 EX 290 JO AIRD <J1A@UKHOUO.PRIME.COM>
Subject:      AILEN3

Hi,

   A quick question : What was Ripleys rank in Ailen3??????????

                         Thanx in advance
                                         Jojo
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:16:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      GARDENS OF STONE

I just saw this film directed by Francis Ford Coppola and featuring
James Caan, James Earl Jones, Angelica Huston, etc.  It's about the
division of the Army in charge of burying the dead at Arlington
during the Vietnam War - I was suprisingly good considering the
poor critical reception it got when it was released - Coppola made
a rather daring (in my opinion) move to open and close the film with
almost exactly the same five minute sequence - The acting was quite
good - What was truly horrible though was the score by Carmine
Coppola - It was absolutely the worst movie music I have ever heard -
It undercut almost every scene -
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From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Bad Performances (Bette Davis, etc,)

Richard writes :
>I don't have a bad Bette Davis movie to offer, but I do have a _very_ bad
>Bette Davis Musical(!).  She sang(?)  she danced(?) she played a hillbilly(?!)

Has anyone heard the version of "Proud Mary", the Creedence
Clearwater Revival song, recorded by Leonard Nimoy (otherwise po-faced
Vulcan side-kick of Cap'n James T. Kirk). Sensors indicate less-than-stunning
success.
        If that isn't bad enough, I once saw Michael Landon  ( who has, at last,
found the Highway to Heaven) do a song-and-dance routine with the Osmonds.

                   Bring Back Bette Davis

                                  John Smyth
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:26:14 -0500
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ATTN. Gary

>From: PHARRIS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
>
>If Jessica Tandy's character is not Idgie then how does she know so much about
>the story to tell the thoughts of the characters?

It is one of the mysterious qualities of the "god-like" narrator.  Haven't you
read a book where one of the characters in the book is re-telling a story and
knows exactly what the other people said and thought?  (e.g. The Prince Of
Tides).  It is just to make the story seem real.  The only time you get the
other characters thoughts, are when you actually see the scene, not when you
hear Tandy telling the story.

In the book, Tandy's character doesn't remember everything that happened. Some-
times she even gets facts of the story mixed up.  But in the next chapter,
Fanny Flagg takes us back to witness it first-hand, so the reader feels like
he/she knows something that nobody else does.

>Also, where is this "mystery" character at in the story? Surely her character
>(IF, that is, she isn't Idgie) would show up somewhere in the story.

I'm sure the reason the character doesn't show up is becuase they want the
viewers think that Tandy COULD be Idgie, but not definately, it's up to you
whether they are on in the same.

>At the end of the movie, Jessica Tandy was sent home from the retirement
>center. She went to the former Whistle Stop Cafe...THe place where Ruth and
>Idgie lived!  So, if she isn't Idgie, WHO is she?

Don't forget, Tandy's character, Ninny Threadgoode was married to Idgie's
brother Cleo.  They all lived in the same house for a long time.  At the end of
the movie, Tandy is in front of her own house where she and Cleo lived.  She
says all of this in the movie.  So, all this would have to be a lie, unless she
married her own brother and had a child (Albert) with him.  I don't think so!

I hope this helps.
                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "Look!  It Enrico Palatzzo!'
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  accgsg@vaxc.hofstra.edu    \/            -Guy from the Naked Gun
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:07:35 +0000
From:         "Scott Huddle (the Freshman)" <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blade Runner (Director's Cut)

>To further the argument that Deckard was not a Replicant, from what
>I can remember Harison Ford states that after some War or uprising,
>Replicants were not allowed on Earth.

Of course, Rachael was a replicant.

--
-scott
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:31:27 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Glory" soundtrack

More James Horner scores?  Here are some, mostly from a reference work (any
without dates are extras from memory):
Lady in Red (1979)
Battle Beyond the Stars (1980)
The Hand (1981) *love this early Oliver Stone horror movie...
Pursuit of DB Cooper (1981)
Wolfen (1981)
Star Trek II
48 Hours (1982)
Brainstorm (1983)
The Dresser (1983) *Albert Finney/Tom Courtenay stageplay starrer...
Gorky Park (1983)
Something Wicked This Way Comes (1983) *often underrated Ray Bradbury adapt-
  tation, with an effective little score...
Uncommon Valor (1983)
Cocoon
Volunteers
Batteries Not Included
Land Before Time
Dad
Field of Dreams
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
I Love You to Death
Another 48 Hours
The Rocketeer

And that's still only part of his credits over 13 years.  (The ones without date
   s actually came from a reference source, too, not just my memory.)  They show
some real versatility, although Horner's also been accused of being derivatively
   facile sometimes.  Jeff Clark
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