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From: howie@ivory.cc.columbia.edu (Howie Kaye)
Subject: Re: re: Richard Thompson Summary
Reply-To: howie@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:20:38 GMT

In article <0095E4CB.DDD97DC0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 6145goldino@vms.csd.mu.edu (Owen  
Goldin) writes:
>There are also lots of bootleg tapes floating around.  2 quasi-official
>tapes are "Doom and Gloom from the Tomb" Parts One and Two -- available
>through "Flypaper" -- a somewhat sporadic publication on RT and related
>folk.  I don't have the address with me -- it's included in the notes
>to the earlier releases.  I have Vol. 1 and it's very good.  I think 
>that that is sold out.  Vol. 2 I have not yet heard.
>


Volume 2 is great -- He does a fab version of Sandy Denny's John the
Gun on it.  Alot of Richard and Linda, and some appearances by Clive
Gregson and Christine Collister.  My only complaint is the quality of
some of the recordings, though the liner notes explain this.

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Howie Kaye                              howie@columbia.edu
Columbia University                     hlkcu@cuvma.bitnet
UNIX Systems Group                      ...!rutgers!columbia!howie
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Wanted: Lyrics to "Willie McBride" (?) "No Man's Land" (?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:05:25 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <Bs4JGA.A6L@snuffy.wa.atk.com> mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com (Matthew_Luders) writes:
>Hello everyone.
>
>I'd like to find out the lyrics to a certain folk tune.  I don't know the title
>but it might be "Willie McBride" or "Flowers of the Forest" or something like
>that.  I only know a few lines, which go something like this:
>
>...

Matt,

I tried to send this once, but I get an indication that it didn't go out, so
I'll try again.

"The Green Fields of France is by Australian Eric Bogle, who also wrote another
powerful song called "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda."  I don't know who
the female singer you heard might have been, but Bogle recorded it on an album
called "Now I'm Easy."  The lyrics are:

Well, howd'ya do, Private William McBride.
Do you mind if I sit here down by your graveside?
I'll rest for a while in the warm summer sun,
I've been workin' all day, Lord, and I'm nearly done.

And I see by your gravestone you were only nineteen
When you joined the glorious fallen in nineteen-sixteen.
Well I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean,
Or Willie McBride was it slow and obscene?

(Chorus) Did they beat the drum slowly, did they sound the fife lowly?
         Did the rifles fire o'er ye as they lowered you down?
         Did the bugles sing 'The Last Post' and chorus?
         Did the pipes play 'The Fleurs of the Forest?'

Did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind?
In some faithful heart is your memory enshrined?
And though you died back in nineteen-sixteen,
To that loyal heart are you always nineteen?

Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some glass pane?
In an old photograph torn and tattered and stained
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?

(Chorus)

The sun's shining now on these green fields of France,
The warm wind blows gently and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plow,
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.

But here in this graveyard it's still no-man's-land;
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To Man's blind indifference to his fellow man
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

(Chorus)

And I can't help but wonder, now, Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when told you the cause?
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?

Well, the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it's all happened again,
And again and again and again and again.

(Chorus)

Strong stuff;  maybe the best anti-war anthem ever.

TH
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: arthurb@plod.cbme.unzw.oz.au (Arthur Brandwood)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Lyrics to "Willie McBride" (?) "No Man's Land" (?)
Organization: arthurb
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175538.9230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>assumed the phrase was "and chorus."  In listening again to the record, Bogle's
>Aussie accent makes all the "ins" and the "ands" the same, so it could be
>either one.  Your explanation makes more sense, because I don't think that
>a bugle call would have a separate chorus.  Thanks for pointing that out;
>I'll change it.

I've heard Bogle do that song live many times, most recently last fortnight
in a joint concert with Ralph McTell at Sydney Town Hall.  His Scottish
accent always sounds to me like he sings "and chorus".

As pointed out elsewhere, Bogle was born in Scotland, still sounds
Scottish but has been an Australian for years.  In the concert with
Ralph McTell, McTell sang a great song about being homesick and
a long way from home (I didn't catch the title) This obviously
went down well with a fair proportion of the audience, many of whom
will have been migrant/expats, mainly "Poms".  Bogle followed this
up with his song "Shelter" - about settling in a new land and finally
beginning to feel a part of it.  All very sentimental but effective
nonetheless.


----
Arthur Brandwood			arthurb@cbme.unsw.edu.au
Centre for Biomedical Engineering	Tel:	+61 2 697 3906
University of New South Wales		Post:	PO Box 1, Kensington
Sydney Australia.				NSW, Australia 2033
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Newport Folk Festival
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:07:15 GMT

In article <a_dmq7=@lynx.unm.edu> sig1@triton.unm.edu writes:

   Does anyone know when/where the Newport Folk Festival is/was held this year?
   Are Indigo Girls going to be there?  Have I missed it?  Ticket info...
   Any info appreciated.
   Thanks,
   Cheryl

Ben & Jerry's Newport Folk Festival
August 8 - 9,  11AM - Dusk
Fort Adams State Park, Newport RI
(Traffic is typically terrible - leave extra time)
Saturday			Sunday
Suzanne Vega			Joan Baez
Bruce Cockburn			Mary-Chapin Carpenter
The Band			Indigo Girls
Michelle Shocked		Beausoleil
David Wilcox			Loudon Wainwright
Chris Williamson		Nashville Bluegrass Band
Yomo Toro			Fairfield Four
Patty Larkin			Rachel Polisher
				Pat Donohue

Food (mostly ice-cream) & non-alcoholic beverages available.
Coolers allowed, but NO ALCOHOL, GLASS CONTAINERS or PETS (they do enforce it!)
$25/day at the gate  (too late for advance discount) + ($5 or so for parking)
Info - 401-847-3700

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: aeksir@owlnet.rice.edu (Amy Elizabeth Ksir)
Subject: Re: Androgynous
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:22:24 GMT

I have a compilation tape (from a friend of a friend) that has this song on
it, and credits it to either the Replacements or the Velvet Underground (it's
hard to tell the way it's written). Given the earlier posting, it's probably
the Replacements.

Hope this helps,
Amy E. Ksir
aeksir@corral.uwyo.edu  or
aeksir@owlnet.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Lyrics to "Willie McBride" (?) "No Man's Land" (?)
Organization: ceNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175538.9230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:

[Discussion of No Man's Land, deleted]

>In listening again to the record, Bogle's
> Aussie accent makes all the "ins" and the "ands" the same, so it could be
> either one.  

Bogle does NOT have an Aussie accent, it's pure Scots (although he has lived 
in Oz some 20 years now). Also, I think the next line is about "flowers," not 
"fleurs."

> TH

Gerry Myerson
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Margaret Christl (Was Re: Song info wanted)
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:19:31 GMT

In article <15655@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

   In article <19796@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman) writes:
   > 
   > 
   > I'm no longer sure where I heard this one - I think it was done by
   > Margaret Crystal (from Toronto) at one of the Ann Arbor Ark Benifit
	      ^^^^^^^

   It's Margaret Christl, and if you ever get a chance to see her jump
   at it. She's one of the most dynamic singers of traditional songs
   I've ever heard. She puts more energy into her singing than half
   a dozen commercial hotshots.

Absolutely!  By the way, is anyone up to date on her discography?
I have the Folk-Legacy album with Ian Robb, The Barley Grain for Me,
the solo LP on Woodshed, Jockey to the Fair, the live tape with the
horrible pre-echo, Live '83, and the solo album called Looking Towards
Home.  Are there any others?  If so, does anyone have a recent address
for ordering and price information?

Thanks.




--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: John Renbourn, John Renbourn Group
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:32:47 GMT
Reply-To: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA


  I've heard rumors to the effect that John Renbourn records "popular 
music" under the name "Dr. John".  Can anyone either confirm or 
dispute this?  Of it's true, there's a lot of Dr. John stuff out 
there.
 
  -B.R-
------------------------------------------------------------------------
B. Richard           Make Up   Internet: brichard@commodore.com
C= H/W Engr.     //   Your         UUCP: {uunet!rutgers}!cbmvax!brichard
 Amiga  CDTV   \X/  Own Mind!            "Who is John Galt?"
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:5062 rec.music.dementia:1148
From: johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.dementia
Subject: Re: shel silverstein pot song
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:54:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD

sramirez@milos.intel.com (Steve Ramirez) writes:
: 
: Does anyone recall a song (actaully more of a poem) by Shel Silverstein,
: which tells the story of a great pot smoke-out? I remember that in the
: end there was a man and a woman trying to smoke each other out, and
: when they ran out of pot, she rolled him up and smoked him!
: 
: I only heard it once on Dr Demento, about died laughing, and now
: my interest has been re-kindled, I would really appreciate if some kind
: soul could either send me the words or tell me how I might find this 
: song.
: 
: Thanks!
:
 I do remember the song and seem to remember seeing the poem published in
an issue of Playboy. Don't remember the specifics such as month, year or
decade. The gals name was Pearly SweetCakes or something like that.

Shel has a knack for writing interesting songs. He did "Boy Named Sue" and
the "Unicorn Song".

John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: MELANIE folk singer of the sixties????????????????
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.123422.26057@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>I always thought her albums were spotty at best but she certainly had her
>moments, like an edge-of-sanity cover of "Wild Horses".  The hippy-dippy stuff
>I could do without.  She should have married Donovan  8^)  8^)

As I recall, she was the victim of her one top-40 hit, "The Roller Skate
Song."  For those too young to remember, or those who have managed to 
forget, it was this stupid little double-entendre-laden ditty that she
sang in a twitty little-girl voice, with the chorus

   "Oh, I've got a brand-new pair of roller skates,
    You've got a brand-new key.
    I think that we should get together and
    Try them out to see.
    I've been looking around a while; you've got something for me,
    Oh, I've got a brand-new pair of roller skates,
    You've got a brand-new key."

This is appallingly silly even by the standards of the decade that
produced "Sugar, Sugar, Honey, Honey" and "Take a Letter, Maria",
and unfortunately, due to all the air play, it came to be Melanie's
signature tune, so a lot of people dismissed her as a mindless novelty
act.  This is too bad, because she was actually a really good singer
and talented songwriter, and some of the other songs on that record,
which I still have a beat-up copy of somewhere, are quite wonderful.
I'd agree with the "spotty" appraisal, but I think that if she'd kept
at it she could have developed into a pretty wonderful singer-songwriter
in the Joni Mitchell mold, not that her style was at all similar.  Pity;
another victim of her own success.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
   -__ __ /_   Jon Berger              "If you push something hard enough,
  //_// //_/   jonb@ingres.com          it will fall over."
_/ ---------                              - Fudd's First Law of Opposition
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Androgynous
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:28:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

It's off "Let It Be" by the Replacements, their best album in my opinion.
Ranges from solid alternative pop to garage punk to contemplative
little acoustic songs.  Paul Westerberg was the leader of the band.

Lena
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Vancouver Folk Festival
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:42:47 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> lopresti robert writes:
> 
> Saffire, the Uppity Blues Women - Funny and so very good.  My favorite was
> "Women, Don't Treat Your Man Like A Dog," which argued that dogs
> are much more dependable them men.
> 

Just how much talent or imagination does it take to write a song like this?
Tell you what, Saffire, I'll make a deal with you: You don't like me, so I
don't like you either.
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: WIllie McBride...not Flowers of the FOrest
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:12:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul29.151255.369
Organization: Western Washington University


Just to correct a little miscomprehension.  Willie MCBride is
also known as Green FIeld's of France and No Man's Land (I think
Bogle has used two of those titles, and he wrote the thing), but
Flowers of the Forest is a different song.  (That's why the narrator
says "did the pipes play the F of the F?")  It's a Scottish lament about
one or another of the battles they lost with England.

One verse goes much like this:

I heard them liltin
At the yows a milkin
I heard them liltin 
Before dawn a day
Now each lass is weary
Lamenting her deary
The fleurs of the forest
Are a' We'ed away.

By the way, dod you know there is a parody of Eric Bogle's "ANd the Band
Played Waltzing matilda," called "And the Band Played And the Band
Payed Waltzing Matilda?"

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.dementia
From: al@iris.claremont.edu (Aotearoa)
Subject: Southern California Festivals?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:42:59 GMT

I have recently started delving into folk music, specifically traditional
Irish/Scottish.  I would like to know if there are any upcoming festivals
in the Southern California area?  Even if there are none coming soon, any
information on folk festivals in the near or far future would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.
-- 
Michael L. Medlin                  ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^
al@iris.claremont.edu               (notice the Bombers are 
consequences schmonsequences         beating the Taco Pods)
as long as I'm rich                v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com (Matthew_Luders)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Lyrics to "Willie McBride" (?) "No Man's Land" (?)
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:26:11 GMT

Toby:

Thank you for posting the lyrics to "The Green Fields of France".  I have
heard of Eric Bogle, but I didn't know he wrote this.  The images conjured
by that song are so vivid.  As I read the words, I could see perfectly the
ocean of identical white crosses, each representing a life, a loved one, who
never came home.  The horror, the utter waste that that image brings with it
is almost overwhelming.

Matt
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Festivals (bad ones)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 11:25:38 GMT


  I had the misfortune of living in Springfield Illinois for
2-3 years and came across something at a local "folk" festival
that I had never experienced. This was NO PICKING ALLOWED.
  Being from Texas, I assumed I could bring my instruments
(albeit accordions) along. No way! I was told that this "festival"
had name acts and there was to be no picking even in the
parking area. I realize that music is more "naturally acquired"
in Texas than in downstate but is this attitude typical? I
moved to Virginia and was treated to similar rudeness by so-
called Appalachian "purists" who sneer at anything not from
the "true-vine". But they should realize that the dulcimer was
not that common until turn-of the century do-gooders (in their
infinite wisdom) decided it would be cute and clever to spread
this to the "poor beknighted" hill folk who had been doing 
quite well (thank you!) with banjos and fiddles (pre Sears$
Rareback git-tars).
  Any one else have similar experiences with the musically
limited??
-- 
Ted....
From: palmm@csc2.essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Folks Festival lineup
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:56:12 GMT
Reply-To: palmm@essex.ac.uk (Palmer M J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Jul27.143959.5815@col.hp.com> judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) writes:
>Here's the lineup for the 2nd Annual Rocky Mountain Folks Festival,
>I'd appreciate any comments on who to see.
>         Nanci Griffith      <==== I finally get to see her in concert.
>                                   I keep thinking she must be better live
>                                   than what I've heard on CD so far.
>
>Judy

I have seen her twice now, once in London (1991) and once in Newcastle
(1989/90?). She was brilliant both times. Mind you, I think she is great on
tape too though I admit that her last album did not have that rawness of some
of her earlier stuff - maybe a little over produced. But I am sure you'll
enjoy  her.

Mike.
From: mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com (Matthew_Luders)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Wanted: Lyrics to "Willie McBride" (?) "No Man's Land" (?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:16:57 GMT
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.

Hello everyone.

I'd like to find out the lyrics to a certain folk tune.  I don't know the title
but it might be "Willie McBride" or "Flowers of the Forest" or something like
that.  I only know a few lines, which go something like this:

...

The sun's shining now on these green fields of France,
the warm wind blows gently, the red poppies dance.
The fences have all vanished now under the plow,
no gas, no barbed wire, no guns firing now.

But here in this graveyard it's still no man's land
the countless white crosses in mute witness stand
to man's blind indifference to his fellow man
and a whole generation that was butchered and damned.

...

Did you really believe them when they told you the cause?
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?

...

              ...it was all done in vain
for Willie McBride, it all happened again,
and again, and again, and again, and again.


Chorus:

Did they beat the drum slowly, did they play the fife lowly,
did the rifles fire o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles play Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play The Flowers of the Forest?


I only heard the song once, but it was so powerful that the words above have
been permanently burned into my memory.  All I know is that it was sung by a
female artist with a beautiful voice.

If you know the song title, composer, artist, or lyrics, please post or send
e-mail.

Thank you!

Matt Luders
mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com
From: jerry@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyric request: Foolish, incredibly foolish
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:24:53 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul21.205556.27965@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:
> Anyone remember this one?  

        Transcribed from "No Relation" Royston & Heather Wood
        Transatlantic Records TRA 342 (recorded January 1977)

        (Thanks to siegle@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Siegle) for posting
        a close approximation so that I only had to edit rather
        than type it in its entirety.)


Foolish, Incredibly Foolish
     by Heather Wood

As I was a-walking one fine day
There I met a man who unto me did say
Won't you come with me and walk along my way
I said I'd come

Foolish, incredibly foolish (3x)
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb

So we walked along together for a while
I gave to him a glance he gave to me a smile
I had visions of us walking down the aisle to
Organ and drum

Foolish, incredibly foolish (3x)
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb

Then he asked me if I'd stay with him that night
Modestly I said that it would not be right
He didn't say ask again he simply got me tight
Grapefruit juice and rum

Foolish, incredibly foolish (3x)
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb

I awoke next morning, hammers in my head
Found my gallant lover gallantly had fled
Didn't care, too busy wishing I were dead
Feeling so glum 

Foolish, incredibly foolish (3x)
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb

I've decided that next time I meet a boy
I will not say, "No."  New tactics I'll employ
Think I'll stay awake and maybe I'll enjoy
All the foolish fun

Foolish, incredibly foolish (3x)
Fun, fun, fun, fun.
From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Is Oyster Band List Running?
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:53:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Michigan State University

Just before I left for vacation, someone announced an Oyster Band 
mailing list which was to be run from blowfish.taligent.com.  I tried
to subscribe, but this address appears to be solidly down since the 
announcement was made.

Does anyone have any further information?   I would hate to be missing
such a list....  
-- 
--Ken Josenhans
    BITNET:  13020KRJ@MSU     Internet: 13020KRJ@msu.edu
From: dnwle@dcatla.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Townes Van Zandt's "Our Mother The Mountain" Dates
Date: 17 Jul 92 16:39:38 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA

what year was townes van zandt's "our mother the mountain" album released,
and when did he record it?

thanx,
wle.