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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: EFF and its growing pains...
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:32:10 GMT

In article <BETSYS.93Jan22141657@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

>We've already got this. We're a state university and we buy our
>service from NEARnet, the same way that local businesses do, and
>NEARnet is negotiating ALTErnet and CIX connections. 
>   Anyway, we don't have a *problem*. We *have* free access and
>commercial alternatives and there doesn't seem to be any threat to it.

Great! We just want to see that everyone can do what you do.

>  I think that what you are doing is only going to benefit a few
>entrepeneurs who are planning to develop high-bandwidth services.
>Entrepeneurs like Mitch Kapor, who says openly "I am trying to make
>the world a better place for other Mitch Kapor's"

This is a fairly basic misreading. Mitch isn't planning to start any
such services. As he's said more than once, "I've made all the money I
ever need or want to make." By "other Mitch Kapors," Mitch is referring to
to would-be entrepreneurs *in the future* who could use the Open Platform
to create new services and new markets.

>  It may be worth doing but it is NOT A CIVIL LIBERTIES ISSUE and you
>all started the EFF to be a CIVIL LIBERTIES organization. You want to
>play a new game, you really should disband EFF and start a new
>organization.

Whether high-bandwidth services are available to everyone rather than to
the technical elite *is* a civil-liberties issues, Betsy. Since you're
part of the elite, though, you may not think this matters much.

In any case, there is no zero-sum game between improving infrastructure
and promoting freedom of speech. What good would the right to travel mean
if there were no roads and highways? These issues are interrelated.

It is glib and easy to imply that Mitch is seeking some kind of
moneymaking opportunity in the Open Platform. The assumption is that
anyone who's made money in the past can't conceivably be interested in
doing anything else. This kind of dehumanizing thinking is, to my mind,
unwarranted.


--Mike




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From: Owen.Lewis@purplet.demon.co.uk (Owen Lewis)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of UK pr
Organization: FidoNet node 2:252/305 - The Purple Tentacle, Reading
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:46:00 +0000

 -=> Quoting Geoff Lane to All <=-

 GL> This guy must have a real problem with the telephone system - imagine
 GL> all those crooks can actually use a phone to talk to each other and
 GL> plan crimes - obviously should be regulated :-)

 It is. 
 
 Telecommunications Act 1984 and several other bits of statute law. The real 
 question is, since the the PSTN is already well regulated, is further 
 regulation warranted?
 
 Owen

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From: nhardy@arkham.demon.co.uk (Nigel Hardy)
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: EFF and its growing pains...
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:02:43 GMT
	<BETSYS.93Jan20004913@ra.cs.umb.edu> <1993Jan20.155042.6215@eff.org>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Ok, then , I'm confused. What exactly is your Open Systems initiative
advocating? The paper talks about how "we must build...a nationwide
structure." It says this repeatedly. Are you just cheerleading or are
you advocating spending government money somewhere?
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From: Shari Steele <ssteele>
Subject: New case for EFF, ACLU, and CPSR
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:53:57 GMT

On the evening of November 6, 1992, approximately 30 computer enthusiasts,
who had gathered for a meeting of 2600 magazine readers at the food court
at Pentagon City Mall in Arlington, VA, were detained and searched and had
some of their possessions seized by about half a dozen mall security guards
acting under the direction of the Secret Service.  Somewhere between two
and five officers from the Arlington County Police were there, as well,
having responded to a call about fraud.

Several of the attendees are interested in suing the mall, police and
Secret Service, and EFF and CPSR have done some preliminary research into
the case to determine what, if any, civil liberties violations were
involved.  After interviewing about a dozen people who were there, we have
determined that the Secret Service does seem to have been involved (a
county police officer on the scene confirmed that), and we are ready to
proceed with the case.

We contacted the Virginia ACLU, which has found a litigator in Northern
Virginia who wants to litigate the case.  EFF, the ACLU and CPSR are
currently doing research on the legal theories we will need to pursue.  EFF
is very committed to standing up for the civil liberties of those who
attended this open, publicized and nondisruptive meeting.

Shari Steele, Staff Attorney, Electronic Frontier Foundation
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From: jbuck@cs.indiana.edu (John F. Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Student Questions on Indy Conference
Keywords: student indy
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:30:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1993Jan26.133051.18585
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

Students receiving information about the CSC Conference in Indianapolis in February were given
the name and phone number of Staci Collins for information on the conference and housing.
THAT WAS AN ERROR!!   Staci is a member of the Local Committee and is assigned to work on a
program of student activities and has been doing a grand job.  Please do not call her with
questions on housing and program.   Send e-mail to acm-csc-forms@cs.indiana.edu and you will
receive housing and registration forms.  For other information you can e-mail to me.

John F. Buck
Conference Chair.
From: scoggin@delmarva.com (John K. Scoggin, Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Philadelphia Area
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:45:41 GMT
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company
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Is there an ACM local chapter in/around Philly?  I know there are several
student chapters, but their agenda is pretty specialized to meeting their
own needs.  The DPMA is really active in the Wilmington area, but hanging
out with the mainframe weenies (I'm allowed to say that - I used to be a
systems programmer before I reformed :-) ) isn't what I had in mind...

	- John
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From:         Michael Allen Clore <CLORE@ACM.ORG>
Organization: University of Arizona Student Information & Research Services
Subject:      Re: Local ACM groups -- why so quiet?

On Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:36:56 LCL Daniel P. Faigin said:
>It's sort of a quiet relationship. Local chapters can get *one* free set of
>mailing labels for ACM members in their zip code range per year -- other than
>that, they're on their own. Often, we try and recruit new members, but many
>don't response -- and many that do belong don't come to meetings.

Right.  It's not that chapters can't get mailing labels.
Even an additional set of labels does not cost very much.
But, when you add in the cost of printing, postage and time, it get's
expensive.  If the mailing produces a reasonable number of new chapter
members, esp. new volunteers, it would be worth the expense.
Unfortunately, the aforementioned condition is rarely true (at least from
my limited experiences).  Even though a chapter should be serving
the ACM members in its area, the chapter has to remain financially viable.

Do ACM chapters offer valuable programs?
If not, what would be valuable?
Do you know the type of programs your local chapter sponsors?

Regards,
Michael Allen Clore          |Internet: clore@acm.org  Phone:(602) 621-8541
  Analyst, Univ. of Arizona  |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose
  Leader, ACM-NS Info. Proj. | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation"
  Chair, Southern Az ACM     |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716)
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Subject: ASPLOS Proceedings
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:20:32 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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Hi,

I am looking into purchasing some of the Proceedings of Architecture
Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems (ASPLOS). Could
someone let me know how much they cost per copy and how I can get a
copy.

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:09:46 EDT
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From:         Joe Katz <JOEKATZ@ACMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Need phone # for change of address

>I can't seem to find a phone number for an ACM office so that I can inform
>them of a change-of-address.  Could somebody mail me one?

You can call ACM's Membership Services Dept. at 212/626-0500, or you can
e-mail your change of address directly to ACMCOA@ACMVM.BITNET.  Be sure to
include your membership number when writing.

Thanks,

Joe Katz
Member Services
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From: finger@convex.com (Jay Finger)
Subject: Need phone # for change of address
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:16:19 GMT
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I can't seem to find a phone number for an ACM office so that I can inform
them of a change-of-address.  Could somebody mail me one?


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From: kenbell@panix.com (Ken Bell)
Subject: Local ACM groups -- why so quiet?
Summary: Why don't local ACM groups let people know they're there?
Keywords: Local NYC ACM Advertise
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:28:30 GMT

As an ACM member for over two years now, it wasn't until a month
or so ago that I found a New York City ACM meeting (oddly enough,
through an advertisement in the NY Times Classified section!).

Maybe I'm just naive (;->) but I kinda assumed that if such a
group existed, they'd have sent me a notice, considering that
the international group obviously has me listed as a New Yawker.

Don't the local and central groups share mailing lists?  Gee whiz!

(BTW, I still haven't been sent a renewal form, if such a thing
exists, by the NYC group.  Guess I'd better call them.)

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From: rss@ri.cadre.com (Rich Scire)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Information on CHI 93 Wanted.
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1993Jan27.154631.1493
Reply-To: rss@ri.cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc.

Hi,

Can anyone tell me where I might find conference information on CHI 93?  I would like to
attend and need the appropriate inf.

Thanks,
Rich

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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Re: Local ACM groups -- why so quiet?
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:36:56
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: kenbell@panix.com's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:28:30 GMT

It's sort of a quiet relationship. Local chapters can get *one* free set of
mailing labels for ACM members in their zip code range per year -- other than
that, they're on their own. Often, we try and recruit new members, but many
don't response -- and many that do belong don't come to meetings.

If you are interested in other local ACM members, contact HQ and find out if
there is a chapter in your area. Contact a chapter officer. Go to a meeting.
Be active. Make the chapter what *you* want it to be!

Daniel Faigin
Chair, Los Angeles Chapter of the ACM.
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Subject:      Re: ACM and IEEE copyright rules

See the copyright notices in ACM and IEE journals; they allow copying for
educational use in some cases without explicit permission.
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From: "John F. Buck" <jbuck@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Where is the 1994 CSC?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:58:09 -0500

as you now know Pheonix is the place in '94 BUT do not forget or overlook
INDIANAPOLIS in '93  Feb 16-18.  You still have time to register.

John Buck
Conference Chair - CSC '93

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From: vankeure@llano.cs.tcu.edu (Rick Van Keuren)
Subject: roomie needed for acm contest/conference in Indianapolis
Originator: vankeure@llano
Organization: Texas Christian University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:34:12 GMT

I am looking for somebody to share a room with while attending the ACM Computer Science Conference in Indianapolis, Indiana (Feb 16th-18th).  Actually, I will  be there Feb 13th-17th (Sat-Thu) and would be willing to share a room for any   or all of those nights at a cost of $43.50/night/person.  
      rick
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From:         "Jared M. Spool/User Interface Engineering (508)470-1213"
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Subject:      Re: Local ACM groups -- why so quiet?

In Boston, we use our access to the national list to advertise the local
Professional Development seminars.  We give six of these seminars a year,
charge $70 + membership and usually get about 100-120 people per seminar.

(In case you're interested, the next three are Berard on Object-Oriented
Design, Architecture of Windows NT and Distributed App. Development with RPC.
Send me a us-mail address, and I'll send you a brochure.)

At the seminar, we have a special table at lunch where people who are
interested in volunteering can come and talk about opportunities.  We've
been successful at recruiting 2 to 3 people per seminar.

THe money that is raised by the seminar is then used for outreach and other
new member recruiting activities, plus many other activities.
From: bobs@ivysrv0.ivy.unisys.com (Bob Sichler)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Area
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:48:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation -- Ivyland, PA

In article <1ju6i5INNgc1@blackhole.delmarva.com> scoggin@delmarva.com writes:
>Is there an ACM local chapter in/around Philly?  I know there are several
>student chapters, but their agenda is pretty specialized to meeting their
>own needs.  The DPMA is really active in the Wilmington area, but hanging
>out with the mainframe weenies (I'm allowed to say that - I used to be a
>systems programmer before I reformed :-) ) isn't what I had in mind...
>
>	- John
>
The Southeast PA Chapter meets monthly at the Naval  Air  Warfare
Center,  Aircraft  Division,  Warminster.  That's in Bucks county
where Rt 132 meets Rt. 332. They have speakers on  a  variety  of
topics which are usually related to current R&D efforts.

For more info check with  David  Mutschler  at  (215)441-7291  or
email mutschlr@nadc.navy.mil

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From: dsroberts@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Slipping deadlines from US DECUS?
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:57:43 PDT
Organization: Beckman Instruments

Has anyone else noticed that US DECUS seems to have gotten into a mode of
always slipping deadlines?  It seems like the last several symposia have been
accompanied by registration being moved back, CFP getting extended, etc.  Now
this latest posting from Jeff is yet another example.

Are they taking lessons from Commander Scott?  "You didn't tell 'im how long it
will REALLY take, did ya laddie?"

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From: killeen@eisner.decus.org
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Slipping deadlines from US DECUS?
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:58:06 GMT
Organization: DECUServe

In article <1993Jan27.154229.40@eisner.decus.org>, killeen@eisner.decus.org writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.075743.1091@beckman.com>, dsroberts@beckman.com writes:
>> Has anyone else noticed that US DECUS seems to have gotten into a mode of
>> always slipping deadlines?  It seems like the last several symposia have been
>> accompanied by registration being moved back, CFP getting extended, etc.  Now
>> this latest posting from Jeff is yet another example.
>> 
>> Are they taking lessons from Commander Scott?  "You didn't tell 'im how long it
>> will REALLY take, did ya laddie?"
> 
> HOWEVER - I would strongly strongly strongly (enough stronglys?) recommend you 
> never start planning on it.  I am involved in some of these schedules - the 
> ability to do this is not constant.

One other very important point - we never slide the early bird deadlines.  So 
if you want the lower cost registration fees make sure you pay attention to 
those deadlines.

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From: vlaurent@cactus.org (Vince Laurent)
Subject: DEC Support
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:41:22 GMT


What is the _quickest_ way to get DEC support?  I am looking for a
way to move faster than my local vendor (who is not DEC but sells
DEC stuff).  

Any and ALL suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!

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From: killeen@eisner.decus.org
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Slipping deadlines from US DECUS?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:42:29 GMT
Organization: DECUServe

In article <1993Jan27.075743.1091@beckman.com>, dsroberts@beckman.com writes:
> Has anyone else noticed that US DECUS seems to have gotten into a mode of
> always slipping deadlines?  It seems like the last several symposia have been
> accompanied by registration being moved back, CFP getting extended, etc.  Now
> this latest posting from Jeff is yet another example.
> 
> Are they taking lessons from Commander Scott?  "You didn't tell 'im how long it
> will REALLY take, did ya laddie?"

HOWEVER - I would strongly strongly strongly (enough stronglys?) recommend you 
never start planning on it.  I am involved in some of these schedules - the 
ability to do this is not constant.

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From: killeen@eisner.decus.org
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DECUS Multivendor Nondisclosure Developers Conference
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: DECUServe



                    Housing Deadline Extended
           Multivendor Computing Developers Conference

Due to a recent discovery of potential problems in the mailing of 
the Multivendor Computing Developers Conference, we have extended 
the housing registration deadline to February 1.  Please contact 
the Sheraton Hotel directly at (504) 525-2500 and refer to the 
Multivendor Computing Developers Conference to ensure the special 
room rate of $119.

If you have any questions regarding this program, please contact 
Jane Finneault (508) 841-2864.

or email to Finneault@decus.org

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From: rsnitzer@sbe.csuhayward.edu (Richard E. Snitzer)
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
Subject: IEEE; 802 standards
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:41:31 GMT
Reply-To: rsnitzer@sbe.csuhayward.edu
Organization: School of Business, California State University, Hayward

Keywords: 802 standards

I am a new comer to the field of telecommunications and currently have a class
in telecommunications standards.  Does any body know where I can find any 
articles on the IEEE 802 standards.  Any will do. 

 Or any in fact on any standards.  The telecommunications dept. at CSU Hayward is trying to put together information on standards for future classes.  This program has only been in effect for 6 months (more or less).  Its beginning to grow by leaps and bounds just like the telecommunications field in general.

Thanks in advance


My address is

	rsnitzer@sbe.csuhayward.edu
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