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From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: Re: New KL mayor..?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:56:26 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA

In article <1992Sep25.075126.59168@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <4900036@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
>> No, Dr Mahathir is out of town, so no announcement until he gets back.
>
>	isn't time for us to elect a mayor ?  How come the general election
>is that only time we can cast our votes  ? 
>	If the major of KL is elected by the people, we may have avoided 
>the luxury cars scandals.  
>	The government is trying to privatise a lot of the industries
>in Malaysia and the benefits are more competitive and more services.  
>The telephone company is a good example of this policy.  
>	It is also time to 'privatise' the government itself.  Bring back
>city council election, and give the people a chance to have a say in their
>own community.   Let's make the politicians accountable for thier 
>action/inaction !!
>
>
>Jack Teh  

You must be an idealist... Do you think UMNO youths will allow the UMNO-based
government to have an open election? What if a non-Bumi is elected?

-looi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal)
Subject: Re: New KL mayor..?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:51:46 GMT

The question of a new mayor or a people elected mayor should not arise
because no matter who gets elected, it's always the ever so notorious
human that decides between the good and bad. As far as I am concerned,
TanSri Elyas did a remarkable job to make KL what it is today. Many
would agree with me. never look only at the negative...what ever happened
to the positive side? think about it guys.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:46:44 GMT

cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
: "Singapore in an excellemt example......excellent enviroment."

Everything is comparative. I'm comparing it  
undeveloped countries such as Malaysia. EVen then Singapore is only
the lowest rank of the Developed Nations but they are trying to achieve
the so called super-league.
: 
: I wondet what Othman is referring to.  As far as I know, all major
: tourist spots are MAN MADE, like How Par Villa, Sentosa, Chinese Garden,
: Bird Park, Botanical Garden (Artificially planted).....the list go on

Do you know how packed these places are with Singaporeans and Foreigners,
including Johorians despite the availability of Desaru.
	Artificial or not, they look real enough. It does not have any
hassles and is actually better than desaru if you want to swim because the
artifical lagoons are well served by food-stalls, shades, etc.

: and on.  About saving the environment, has Singapore started promoting
: recycling yet, besides the old fashion kalang-guni ?
Recycling is only necessary if the environment is badly mutiliated, like
klang river. Singapore river had been cleaned and the laws are enforced
to not allow it to be polluted again.
	It is a very beautiful river. Nicer than river Tames and Tokyo
river.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Malay songs.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.132906.3526@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> In article <Bvnoyr.DG6@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct5.025958.26317@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> [munched]
> >> 
> >> Awww.....this would add up to audio piracy, no ???
> >> 
> >> ATAN
> >> 
> > Well, Mr. Tan, I guess I should have been more specific here aah?
> > Those who follow the law strictly can ignore my mail. People who are
> > interested in talking about music and doing me a favor can reply to me.
> 
> 	Hey, this is a good start to a thread on copyright laws...  The way I
> see it is this.  You bought a copy (let's presume original) and under the law,
> you are allowed to make a backup copy of it, just in case yours got thrashed. 
> If you didn't make a backup copy, but got your original trashed anyway, is it
> morally/ethically/legally OK to get a copy of it from your friend?  Why do you
> have to pay for another copy?  I know some of the larger software companies
> will replace your disks free if you are a registered customer.  Does/should
> this carry over to other industries?
> 	Does it work like this in any of the Asean countries?  I mean the
> backup issue.  Never did see something like that in the papers.
> 	Ciao.
> 
> -Tai


I know some of us are confused about this copyright laws. You always can make a
copy of the album as long as you are not selling it and earn profit out of it.
You can make as many copies you want for free of charge. By the way this is not
my prediction or my assumption, it's a fact that I gathered from the Music
Department in our Unniversity here.
 I'm not sure if it works the same way in the Asean countries. I would assume
so but please don't quote me on that.

Later.

Geeva :)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Samyvellu and MIC
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:20:23 GMT


Under "extreme duress", I have been "forced" to contribute
an issue that might be of interest to the newsgroup.

I choose Samyvellu and MIC. Previously there has been posts in
this newsgroup calling for the removal of corrupt gov't officials
in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a little premature to judge
Samyvellu for his latest TELEKOM debacle, but I hereby nominate
Mr Samyvellu as the candidate to be removed. Afterall, from what
I heard from my Indian friends, he has contributed diddly to
the Indian community and has not proved his worth.

Do y'all remember the casket incident and the lost of the casket?
Sheeeeshhh...how low can politics stoop.


ATAN

p.s. Hmmm...1 article on food, and one on Samyvellu so far.
     How many do you have Geeva Subramaniam???

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ang@sysarch.attmail.com (Alex Ng)
Subject: Looking for schoolmates
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:20:31 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA

Hi Netters:
	Is anyone out there graduated from Malacca ACS School ?
I graduated from ACS in the year 1978 and just wondering if any 
old schoolmates are in the United States.
	If you need to talk to a home town boy, please email me !

Nam-Hock Ng (Alex)

DHL Airways Inc.                        Tel  : (415) 802-4678
333 Twin Dolphin Drive                  Fax  : (415) 593-1689
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From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: RE: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:13:32 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
 
> I too respect other peoples culture and opinions when they are 
> worthy of respect.    
 
I always like to think highly of my opponents in debate,  
but seriously, Mr Godfrey, if I can remind you of what you wrote 
earlier :
 
| Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty underwear 
| in your advanced country too?  Or for allowing your dick to hang 
| on the wrong side of your zipper?
 
IMHO, that amounts to an insult!!!! You are mocking my country!!!! 
 
> I have been to Singapore and I didn't think much of it at all - 
 
I think the Singaporeans on s.c.a. think likewise of you. 
Thanx Osbert for helping out here.
 
> Strangely, I see no evidence in your reply to me of any respect 
> for other peoples opinions, or do you only respect them when they 
> happen to coincide with your own?
     
You can say all you want about the lack of democracy in 
Singapore and all that. I don't care, because I am so used to 
such remarks ever since I came to N.A. four years ago. 
We are what we are, and our economic achievements speaks 
volumes of the credibility of our polity. While I 
do not think highly of certain legislations/social phenomenon 
in the US, I refrain myself from taunting others with 
irresponsible remarks like what you did.
 
I hear THE GAP's got a sale of baggy pants on right now. 
Better hurry before it's too late. :)   


--- Vic

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline S.C. Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Get news from seasia-l
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

In article <1992Oct5.044801.10008@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>There is an interesting article about Malaysia with all the facts given,
>unlike our style here of "hantam sahaja", 

Encik Othman, you are one of the greatest contributor to this 
"hantam sahaja" lah!!!!
Tsk,tsk,tsk...


Goh.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: NOT!! (Was Re: New newsgroup for the military diehards?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:33:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: memstvx1.1992Sep29.193315.3452
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep29.232029.18461@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) says:
> 
> [munchety-munch]

	Hey, ATAN, go look for your own [munchies], that's mine, mine, all mine
you hear??  HAHAHAHAHAHA

[munch]
> Since I was the one who started the f-o-o-d thread, I guess you must be
> referring to me. My respond is why don't you start a new thread on your own
> instead of trying to get your name in here by "living off other people's
> acticles"???

	Hey, don't get uppity up up here man, as PT Barnum once said, every one
has 15 minutes of fame.  By posting too much, you may have already used up your
15 minutes...  Becareful.  You don't know who's the one taking count... :) :) 
And why do you have this fetish for the amount of articles posted here?  Look
at all the oldies here, no one keeps count <let's see now, x amount of
followups plus original postings and a factor for the number of followups
generated... hmmm, I think I beat ATAN....> *-) *-)
> 
>>How about stuff like social issues? Like how in this part of the world are 
>>liberal views taken? Are we still as conservative as the Westerners see
>>us? etc....
> 
> Pleeeaseee...two sentences and you expect a follow-up discussion???
> 
	Well, he already got two from me, and one from you... :) :)  Besides,
it's three lines (OK, just barely, but... :))

> 
>>Food....Mig29s...F16s..... :D
> 
> Net parasites...  :D

	Net copy-cats *-P  Ciao.

-Tai
ps:  yo ATAN, try {chewies} instead... :) :)
From: t9114206@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:02:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: phillip.1992Oct6.110231.13089
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep30.084147.25129@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
> Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
> in the previous article.
> 
Just wondering ! How do they know if you haven,t flushed the toilet ?
Do they have a security camera hiddened somewhere ??????? 

K.K
From: lilien@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lilien Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: TH WONG, RECIEVED MAIL
Date: 5 Oct 1992 05:01:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

 Hi TH,
 Got your letter through SY. Did not realise that you wrote through
 NETWORK NEWS. Thanks.

    Write to
   		lilien@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

or the other one that I gave to you earlier. 





lilien
5.10.92
From: madsere@okys.infoserv.com (Rene Madsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:44:15 GMT
Organization: Brackton Ltd. Luxembourg

In article <1992Sep20.034454.10671@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, tenka@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Andy Tenka) writes:
> In article <1992Sep16.133715.1538@nuscc.nus.sg> engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:
> >
> >Now the technical part.  Since the enemy a/c approach route is not known

[boring war stuff deleted]

> 
> [more boring war stuff deleted]

Is there a war coming up in S'pore?

If not why not stop this negative discussion, or at least move it to
some warloving newsgroup such as talk.politics or rec.guns ? ;-)

-Rene

-- 
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Unix Systems Support/Dev.       
madsere@okys.infoserv.com
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: DR. MAHATHIR - HEART FAILURE?!?!?!
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:59:43 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal) writes:
: Who the hell said that our PM had a heart attack? rumours like this can be fatal to our stock market. I know that most leaders would probably wish that our PM really does have a heart attack but I can assure you that the reason being that they are just jealous of the fact that a dynamic third world leader is taking
Do not worry, our stock market did not drop as a result of this "rumour".
Someone must be reading old newspaper clippings.

: a stand on what he believes is right for the goodness of mankind. It's about
: time that more leaders like Dr. Mahathir are born so that more countries will
: be more dynamic and not fall to the wants of so called Developed countries.

and remain under-developed as before.
: For your info, our PM has had a bypass which went successfully so what I reckon
: is that he probably has a heart of a 25 year old...ready to bring Malaysia to
: far greater heights in the international scene. Rumours are merely rumours and
HIs heart is still the old one. The worst is his mind. He is over 70 already,
isn't he? Will he be allowed to govern until he is 100 years old, like
DENG Xiao Peng?
	The world is given the impression that Malaysia like China only has
one good leader, and no back-up. How about Anuar Ibrahim?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:58:11 GMT


 
In article <CLIPPER.92Oct2134946@gleep.csd.uwo.ca> clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khu
n Yee Fung) writes:
>
>What is an independant school? When did Singapore start having
>independant schools? What are the criteria to become an independant? I
>left too long ago to know but I am curious.
 
     I am not very sure about it either, but the idea was being proposed a year
before I left Singapore.  The government will be paying less to an
independent school.  It is the same as the private school in North America.
The schools that I know that have become independent are R. I., R. G. S.,
Anglo-Chinese, St. Joseph Institute, Chinese High.  Dunman High become an
independent school this year.  One of the junior colleges has also become
independent, I forgot the name of the college.
 
>But they were still confused about the two Dunmans when I was there.
>So Dunman took over Dunman Secondary too, eh? It took over Dunman
>Primary School in 1981, I think. The school is sure big now. Not the
>three-buildings-plus-canteen-and-assembly-hall school when I was
>there.  Don't know whether they still have to go to Tanjong Katong
>Technical Secondary School for technical classs (are there still
>technical classes?).
 
    The other Dunman Secondary moved to Tampanies or somewhere else.
There are still technical classes in Singapore.
 
>Oh well. I am still the lone Dunman Alumnus on the network, I guess.
>Singapore chinese school graduates in Universities were a rare breed
>when I entered university and I guess it is extinct now.
 
   Dunman High is not a Chinese school now, it is one of the SAP schools.
SAP means Special Assistance Plan.  Students in Dunman High have to take
Chinese and English as first language.
From: saidin@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ainalidha Saidin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: A few Malaysia Cup results
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:16:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvCL7M.8pB
Organization: UB

Hi everybody,

	I just got off the phone from a friend of mine back home. Here are 
	the latest Malaysia Cup results he passed on to me.

	KL 		6	Terengganu 	1
	Pahang		1	Kedah		1

	By the way, a massive power outage hit malaysia today (29 Sept) 
knocking out power to most of the country. Flights were cancelled and 
it caused accidents everywhere as the outage lasted into the night (we 
have enough accidents with the lights and traffics lights working!). 
It must have been some problem to knock out power to almost all of the
country. 


saidin@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cheok@csn.org (Cheok Hoey Thng)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:38:53 GMT

>I know it is not a Chinese school now, hence the lament. My year was
>the second last year of 100% Chinese stream students in Dunman. When I
>was in sec 2 they started admitting 8% students and Dunman became one
>of the `big nine'. We were very proud initially before we discovered
>that Dunman was being made over. It is hard to explain but the
>tradition was changed and it became a different school. The change of
>name was in a sense a good move so that the two stages of the school
>history can be separated easily.
>
I'm from Dunman also. I still remember that those 8%-students had a hard
time because the 'old birds' like to tease those 'high-calibre' sarcastically.
Bye the way (BTW, I hate to read BTW, IMHO..), we are the same batch of student.
Anyone out there from Dunman Government Chinese High School also?
In 1980, I was in 4-G class. Dunman didn't have a good English program.

C h e o k
From: wei@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Wei Yap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: testing
Summary: reply me as soon as possible.
Keywords: testing
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:10:16 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland


My name is Eugene and I am in Newfoundland studying Computer 
Science.  Feel free to write me. Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: csmith@student.business.uwo.ca (chris smith)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:42:34 GMT

This is just a test. Please ignore. Thank you.

csmith@student.business.uwo.ca (chris smith)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freed
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK


In article 3423@memstvx1.memst.edu, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.205957.15097@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> In article <lcedbuINN19k@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
>> melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
>> 
>> You have yet to prove that it isn't.
>> 
>>>I contend that it is not. 
>>>	Melinda
>> 
>> I contend that it is.
>
>	Fine.  Contend all you want.  As you are the accuser, the onus is on
>you to prove that your allegations are true.  You didn't.  You nitpicked, you
>splithairs, you called names, you overgeneralised.  All these shows that you
>are not interested in a rational discussion.  So, may I respectfully ask
>everyone to please drop this thread?  It gets nowhere, and only uses up
>bandwidth.  Someone here thought that the japanese group on irc kicked him out
>when he tried to join them.  We can't do that here, but we can certainly ignore
>him.  Notice that the rest of the newsgroups listed in the header does that. 
>Hmmm, you don't suppose that this Joe guy could all be a great conspiracy by
>the other groups against sca?? 8-O *-) *-P :^/
>	So, anyway, until he comes up with something solid, please drop this
>thread.  Thanx for your cooperation.  Ciao.
>
>-Tai


Incredible - I was going to say almost exactly the same thing. Particularly
the first three lines almost word for word!
From: limc@widget.seas.upenn.edu (MAX THE EMPEROR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Electrical Engineering In UM
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:00:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: ins877s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Electrical Engineering In UM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Cc: 
Bcc:

Well in the States(1992), the highest paid Engineering field was

Material Science followed by MEAM and then EE.

I got this info last year, not sure if anything's changed.

                        
              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Sabah
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:47:02 GMT

john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
: Anybody from Sabah here?
: -- 
: John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
I'm from Sabah.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Read This Only If You Are From Sam Tet
From: jbfink@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Adder)
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:03:05 -0500
Organization: Legion of Dynamic Discord

In article <1992Sep30.142701.2957@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins877s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (T.H.TAN) writes:
> Just wondering how many Sam Tet old boys out there are reading this newsgroup.
> Yes, I am referring to Sam Tet Secondary School, in Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia. If
> you are one of them, thought you might be interested in some news regarding
> our good old Sam Tet.
> 


Aha!  I read it anyway!  And it was thrilling!  Don't try to stop me from 
reading articles!  Muhahahahahahahahhahahahahah!

adder, manic Singapore American School graduate, 1991
(sorry, i'm bored... :)
From: espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong)
Subject: Re: Environment
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:26:20 GMT

Kurang ajar
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline S.C. Goh)
Subject: Re: No news is good news????
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.000510.3497@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>	One thing I don't understand is why does the govt provide subsidies to
>the tobacco planters if they are trying to clamp down on smoking?  I think it
>would have been better if they provide the subsidies if those tobacco growers
>changed from growing tobacco to growing something that we really need.

I think Tobacco leaves is one of our export earners.

>Tho I think our cigarette exports probably outweighs what we get
>from the imports...

You've just answered your own question!! ;-)

>	Any opinions or updates welcomed.

I'll let you know if I have any!

Goh.

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