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From: cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir)
Subject: Ending of Royal Rumble Question...
Summary: A question, of course...
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:54:28 GMT

 
          Here's a quick question for those who saw the Rumble. A friend
of mine went to watch it at a bar in St. John's. He said that at the end
of the telecast, there was a scene where Hitman was in his dressing room
and Fuji and Yokozuna went in after him. I have not heard anything about
this happening in any of the reports I read. So, is it true? If so, post
a description of what happened, please? I am...

                                                           Nomad

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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Flair to face Ramon 2/7 in Phili.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:07:29 GMT

	
	This means either:

		a.) Flair costs Ramon a title victory at R.R.
		b.) McMoney is squeezing every last penny out of
		    Flair.
		c.) Both.

	For the record, I predict that it will be a "Perfect"
	Royal Rumble, Hart retains the title at RR and it will be
	a "Perfect" Wrestlemania (i.e. Perfect defeats Hart at WM
	for the strap).

	Anyone else?

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov


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From: hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: ML CURLY: RR predictions
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:35:33 GMT

(The following is taken, not verbatim, from M. L. Curly's column in
 the Detroit News, 1/22/93)

First the undercard, then some surprises:

Moon/Taylor:  Curly still seems to think this match will come off.
If so, the Lunar One will surely prevail.  I have a hunch that these
two might get tossed into the Rumble instead.

Bossman/Bigelow: The herbal tea company takes it.

Steiners/Beverlies: Squash city.  Frankensteiner.  Nuff said.

Michaels/Jeanetty: Jeanetty wins the match, and the girl, but does
he get the belt?  Curly doesn't say, but read on for my thoughts...


Now, the title match.  Let's consider a few basic premises:

1) Bret Hart is booked for a series of matches with Doink the Clown
(hereafter referred to as IT, thanks whoever pointed this out.)

2) Even the most hopeless mark cannot seriously be expected to
swallow IT going from a nobody with no apparent wrestling credentials
to instant main event status.

3) Hart needs a reason to have anything to do with IT.

From 1) and 2), we can conclude:

4) Hart vs. IT wil *not* be for the WWF championship.

Uh huh.  Oil me, chicos.  There gonna be a new duh-bull-you
duh-bull-you eff champion.  This figures to be the biggest upset
in WWF title history since, oh, I don't know, Royal Rumble '91?

And that is where IT comes in.  Just replace IT with Savage, Ramon
with Sgt. Slaughter, and Hart with a certain guy with a painted face
who keeps phasing in and out of existence, and I think you'll get
the picture.

And of course, Hart, following strict WWF guidelines, will not
pursue his title again, but instead feud with the jerk who screwed
him out of his title.  Thus premise 3) is satisfied.

This hangs together for me.  What do you think?


And finally the Rumble.  If Hart is to retain his title, then the
winner of the Rumble should weigh at least 500 pounds.  Nuff said
there.

However, if the Rumble is the last event of the show (and if memory
servers, it usually is), then this will make the above scenario
even more likely, so that a face can win the Rumble and we can
have a Happy Ending (TM).

If this is the way it does happen, then which face will it be?
Hennig?  Perhaps, but M. L. Curly predicts that the winner of
the 1993 Royal Rumble will be...



...the Undertaker!

[Ed. note: THIS is Curly's idea of a *HAPPY* ending!? ]


Late minute scrub replacements in the Rumble: Skinner is expected
to replace Nailz.  Also, Rick Martel is a possible scratch (no
reason given), which leaves room for both Moon and Taylor in the
Rumble.

Finally, if Ramon is to win the WWF championship, that would mean
three heel champions, *unless* Jeanetty snatches the I/C belt from
Michaels.  I don't think Vince will have three heel champions.

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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: it don't go too far
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:00:57 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-23-93 19:54
M :From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
M :I'm wondering to what the degree the WWF books the Royal Rumble, and
M :how much of it is free-for-all.

 It's all Planned (have you any Idea what Sat. Time CO$T$?).

Besides, a REAL Fight isn't pleasurable to view.
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Paul Diamond Re-Visited (WAS Re: Paul Diamond I and II)
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:52:57 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan19.144708.6334@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, Gary Will writes:
 >In article <C12K2s.17r@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) :
 >>Here's one:  there was another pro wrestler named Paul Diamond, who at
 >>times wrestled (if I remember correctly) for Roy Shire.  At least he 
 >>wrestled around CA, I don't know about anywhere else.  
 >>
 >>Does anyone know this guy's real name (and/or if he's related to Boric)?

 >I don't know the original Paul Diamond's real name, but he is not
 >related to Tom Boric.  They do look a lot alike, however -- which is
 >(supposedly) how Boric got the Diamond name.

Thanks.  Now, is there anyone else out there who hopes he not only goes
to WCW, but actually gets pushed?  Boric is an outstanding wrestler, 
combining power moves with martial arts, and has good speed for a big
guy.  Maybe he and Pat Tanaka could re-team and reunite with DDP...

I just feel for the guy because he's got so much more ability and style
than so many people who get pushed.  And we *all* just keep on gettin'
older...if/when Boric's time comes, he may be too far gone.

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Flair etc,
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:01:04 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-23-93 19:54
 
 I'm just commenting on Flair's Exit from the WWF.
 
  Mention was made of Ric looking Fit and leaner and tighter than 
ever, frankly I'd attribute this to Vince (Flair finally saw what the 
inside of Gym looked like).
 
 Finally for all the "muscle monkeys" that are onboard 
here........before doing the ASCII cheap shots......take a Close look 
at Vince MacMahon (excuse that UGLY Pale Blue Suit) and check out the 
width of his Shoulders and the girth of his Biceps.
 
 No wonder that a WWF Champion should be a Great Physical Speci(MAN)
and "Work Out" (hell said Admission Fees Demand this), perhaps Cowpie 
Bill should take this into "consideration".
 
 
PS am curious to view 'El Gigante upon his debut, no doubt Vince
   will somehow Bulk Him Up (kicking zee soccerball insn't
   what I'd define as serious "reps".
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From: cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli)
Subject: Re: "Title matches are real"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:36:58 GMT

In article <Steve_Hooper.05q8@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca>, Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
> Thu 21 Jan 93  5:20, Rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu wrote:
> 
>  R> Believe it or not, this is quite common.  Another common belief, one
>  R> that my friends and I had when we were kids, was that most of the
>  R> TV matches were exhibitions for wrestlers to show off their skills,
>  R> but the arena matches were usually real.
> 
> This is a VERY real scenario...and that's why it is disgusting to read
> someone's match reports from a house show where because he reads this
> group, he yells out finishes and spots in front of a crowd.  He knows via
> someone elses match reports that a certain finish has been used in other
> cities.

	Steve, you want disgusting - I'll give you disgusting:

-Vince McMahan stating in a court of law that wrestling is booked

-Road agents who are pre-occupied with someone's ring entrance
 (Blackjack Lanza waiting for the right moment to allow Bret Hart
 into the ring at the Royal Rumble) as opposed to being creative and 
 thinking of new spots and finishes from city to city.

	Vince chose to go national and run shows nightly. He also
must accept the consequences that come with that. If Vince's head
booker is too busy playing hide the salami instead of making house
shows unique, that is not my problem.

	Yes, I yelled out spots and finishes at a house show in Phoenix.
You know what kind of an effect it had? They ran the *same show* the
next night - matches, spots and finishes. This was documented in the
12/21/92 Observer.

	Explain to me how the folks who saw the live angle between
Doink the Clown and Crush are supposed to react when weeks later, on *live*
TV Crush is chasing Bourne around the ring.

	Explain how the folks who saw the live retirement match between
Perfect and Flair are supposed to react when they see Flair participate
in the Royal Rumble.

	You see Steve, the problem isn't me, it's the WWF who
(to steal a line from Herb) exposes more than Pee Wee Herman does.

================================================================================


"Hip toss by Johnny Rivera...."

	-A Gorilla Monsoon flub on live TV describing a hip toss 
	 executed by one of the masked Invaders 


						Charlie
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From: isbell@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Isbell)
Subject: Re: The last great match will never be...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:42:35 GMT

isbell@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Isbell) writes:
>My thoughts exactly.  It seems odd to me that so many people complained when
>Hogan/Flair was changed to Hogan/Justice and Flair/Piper at Wrestlemania, when
>Flair/Piper was probably a much better matchup that Flair/Hogan ever would have
>been.  (Note, I didn't see any of these matches, so this is pure speculation on
>my part.)

Oops!  I've just been informed that it was Hogan/Justice and Flair/Savage.  Not
Piper.  Maybe Flair/Piper was what they changed the local house show to.  (I
didn't see that either.)  So, all of you that were going to flame me for
getting my Savages and Pipers confused ... well, okay go ahead.  :)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Macho Man to Rowdy Roddy Piper,
"We got something in common, Piper."
"What's that?"
"We don't listen to Vince McMahon!"
From: grendel@src4src.linet.org (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: RR conclusion
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:39:17 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

In article <C1Dv16.FwL@ns1.nodak.edu> skar@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Keith M. Skar) writes:
>After Lex ....

It may be worth noting here that Luger's WWF nickname is "The Narcissist", as
has probably been posted before.

>Interesting Note...Backlund was the 2nd participant and stayed in over
>an hour.  Breaking Flairs record last year.

Sounds like a good way to generate heat for old Opie (yes, Bobby called him
Opie!)
 
Also, Bobby goofed when Typhoon came into the match, calling him Tugboat. He
corrected himself quickly by saying something like "Tugboat -- Typhoon, Buffoon
or whatever his name is..."

>Just before Damian Demento came out, Harvey Whippleman brought out his
>surprize....Looked like El Gigante, but didnt give him a name...he attacked
>and eliminated the Undertaker.  

According to Mean Gean on MNR, his nom de plume is Giant Gonzalez or something
to that effect. I'm sure it's Gonzalez.

--Don
  happily posting from his new account! :)


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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Royal Rumble - 1993
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:14:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Keywords: Hey, what's one more?

Christopher:

I am totally depressed!  I am a big fan of your posts, and now I find that
my son and I were sitting not 15 feet from you the entire Rumble!  We were
one section to your right and six rows back, I think (117 Row G I think). 
We saw the Kato and Crush signs, is how I know where you were sitting.  We
were with you on the Whoos, of course, and also added our Husses and
Cock-a-doodle-doos ... though the most heat I got was when I rooted for
Shawn Michaels.

Steven
From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: CWUSA: Update on the Updates
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:15:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Mark Carlton writes:

I was asking the same question!  After being off the air for a couple of
weeks, there will be a show on Tuesday, 1-12 at 10:30 PM on PSN.

Does anyone know what CWUSA's status is with PSN?
----------------------------------------------------------------

When I first noticed that they were no longer on Friday nights,
they had been replaced by an NFL playoff analysis program.  So
I thought the move was just temporary.  But looking through
recent TV guides, they do appear to be on Tuesday nights for
good.  Of course, I wouldn't know this for certain, as I'm back
to working 18-hour days and see TV only at certain times on the
weekend and a few minutes of news a day during the week.  The
10:30 time slot (9:30 here) is correct.

						-Sean-
From: hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: san jose taping
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:38:33
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
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for those of you who have been to these events before, what can we in
san jose expect to see happening during the taping?

Alan-
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Terry Taylor's degree
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:11:23 GMT

ug@brigadoon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu (Christian Bareford) writes:

>The question is, which wrestler's have legitimate degrees?  Although I  

Shane Douglas has a master's degree.  I don't know which colege, but it
has been mentioned in both WWF and WCW.


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From: mcsdc1st@dct.ac.uk
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Subject: trying to post
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:43:01 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



this is impossible.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:34:12 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: [WCW] Flair getting the belt
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Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


Herb (or anyone else that heard the same rumor from any source):

Did the source specifically say that Flair would win the **WCW**
World belt immediately after coming to the WCW (presumably from
Van Vader, which kinda seems like a mismatch) or could it be
possible that he is going to win the **NWA** World belt (it never
did look right without the "Ric Flair" plate on it IMHO).  :-)

In one of my tamer dreams, he'd win both belts and unify them.
After all, he is THE MAN!

		--Otto "Hack-Man" Heuer

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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: Royal Rumble Attendee
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:03:54 GMT

In article <1jvjde$ssq@agate.berkeley.edu> srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
>
>Perfect got more heat that anyone to that point; Undertaker topped
>Perfect.  This was my first experience with the We Love Undertaker crowd
>... I guess I never believed you guys, but the crowd loved him.


	I saw a minor house show Dec. 27 in White Plains N.Y.
	Tatanka, Santana, Backlund, Bushwackers, Shango, Martel
	Dimento and UT were there (only 6 matches).  No one wrestler(?)
	got much of a pop except UT.  The crowd went berzerk when
	he showed.  My brother and I were talking to the 2 little
	kids in front of us.  They weren't even alive last time
	Backlund was champ.  How can he expect him to draw much heat
	when most fans (i.e. ticket buyers) don't remember him?

>
>Final notes: they have a 15-second clock so you can count down to the next
>rassler, but they don't have a 2-minute clock.  Never thought of it
>before, but of course that lets them play with the clock.
>

	In fact, last year there was one *4* minute interval between entrants
	Can't remember who though.....

				John Mastrangelo
				ice@ntia.its.bldr.nist.gov


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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Yokozuna
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:27:50 GMT


As an interesting side note about Yokozuna's recent win in the Rumble,
an actual Yokozuna has just been crowned in Japan this week.  This makes
him the only currently active Yokozuna in the sport.

His sumo name is Akebono and he is Chadwick Rowan from Oahu, Hawaii making
him the first ever non-Japanese person to reach this rank.  To make me
feel old and useless, he was born on May 8, 1969 making him 23 years old.


I don't suppose Vince had this in mind when he planned the Rumble.  Maybe
he just got lucky.

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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Rectape ballot part 2
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:41:31 GMT

Some useless trivia...

dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:

>4) Tiger Mask vs Dynamite Kid-1\1\82.  The first of three 4 star+
>   matches between the two on the ballot.  As with all of the Tiger Mask
>   matches on the ballot, I have ORIGINAL quality tapes of these
>   matches.

This was the match to determine the new WWF Jr. Heavyweight Champion after 
Tatsumi Fujinami moved to the heavyweight division and vacated the
title.

>9) Tiger Mask vs Steve Wright-4\1\82.  A very good match between Sayama
>   and one of England's top Junior Heavyweights.

We used to call Wright "Karl Gotch of Jr. Heavyweight."

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From: lucasg@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Greg E. Lucas)
Subject: Re: The last great match will never be...
Reply-To: lucasg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:14:22 GMT

In article <27JAN199308535545@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, bdwest@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (PANTERRA) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.225305.29463@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, awalsh@mta.ca writes...
|> >Well, with Slick Ric leaving the WWF, the great Hulk Hogan/Flair
|> >match will never happen. I know they fought a few times in house
|> >shows, but those were never televised. It would have been nice to
|> >see that one last dream match happen at WM IX but unless WCW and
|> >WWF join together, it will never happen. It might not have been 
|> >really spectacular, but hey, woulda been nice.
|> 
|> As much as people complain about Hogan not working why so many people 
|> think this is a dream match is beyond me.  When Ric first went to the Whiff 
|> and people said what a great match this should be I never saw why. 
|> And, the people who posted the matches between them at house shows said
|> the match up was not good.  So why oh why oh why do people keep talking
|> about this boring,  waste of time and bandwidth match up.

Perhaps because Hogan and Flair were the two finest wrestlers of the 1980's?
Perhaps because people could never decide on who the best wrestler of the 80's was becuase Flair and Hogan worked for opposite federations and never faced each other?
Sure, Flair proved he could compete in the WWF, so IMHO he proved once and for all that he was superior to Hogan, but a big PPV match would have been spectacular. 



|> 
|> The Catwoman has spoken.
|> 	Though I am always in haste, I am never in a hurry. - Beast, X-MEN
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Vince missed one..
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:31:44 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-21-93 20:27
S :From: Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)

S :There was an amazing number of WELL known wrestlers that passed through Stu
S :Hart's wrestling promotion (Stampede Wrestling)....guys like Hiro Hase,
S :Corporal Kirschner, Rip Rogers (The Hustler!), Goldie Rogers, Timothy
S :Flowers, Buddy Wayne, Bob Brown, Kerri Brown, Cuban Assassin etc etc etc.

 Corporal Kirschner, egads whatever happened to him. Vince could team 
Sgt. Slaughter and hence "The Leathernecks", oh well maybe next time 
around.
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