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From: esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell)
Subject: Re: Need Information on Switzerland, Zermatt, Interlaken
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:50:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.153824.2778@colorado.edu> citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU  
(Wayne Citrin) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.143117.27120@hemlock.cray.com> krys@cray.com (Krystyne  
Supplee) writes:
> >We are looking for a small-ish city in the mountains.  We just want to
> >relax, enjoy some scenery, and do a little souvenier shopping.
> >We are considering Zermatt or Interlaken.   
> 
> Interlaken is pretty, but in that area I would substitute Muerren or  
Wengen,
> or even Grindelwald, although the latter is a little touristy.  All of the
> above towns can be reached by train through Interlaken.  In Muerren, I 
> recommend the Sporthotel Edelweis.
> 
> Zermatt is spectacular, but even so, I would recommend Saas Fee over  
Zermatt
> as a place to stay.  It's in a neighboring valley, and although it's also
> a popular resort, I believe it's less of a tourist mecca.  You don't get  
the
> Matterhorn, but you do get some equally spectacular scenery. 

I agree.  I visited Zermatt recently and found it to be a real tourist trap.   
There is a lot of building going on and the entire town seems to now consist  
of hotels (many new) and shops.  You likely won't be able to see the  
Matterhorn anyway unless you encounter a clear day (rare?).

Interlaken is also touristy but there are many options in nearby towns  
including the ones mentioned above.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: New Zealand in the Summer
From: graeme@hart.actrix.gen.nz (Graeme Hart)
Date: 2 Oct 92 7:57:4 GMT
Keywords: Skiing

pdelaney@morgan.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Delaney @ Port Group) once wrote....
>
> Hello;
>
>I am looking for information about skiing in New Zealand in August 
>or September.  I want to know where to go skiing and what kind of
>skiing to expect.   Also, I would like to know the price for such
>an adventure.  


HEY, what sort of weather do you think we have here, our ski fields
close in the summer, they have a problem with the snow melting.


Oh, you meant the Northern Hemisphere summer !! :)


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From: victor@liteng.segcad.hlo.dec.com (Victor Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Best place to see New England foliage ?
Keywords: Best place to see New England foliage ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: victor@liteng.segcad.hlo.dec.com (Victor Ma)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA




Hi folks,

Would some of you foliage lovers out there please recommend
some of your favorite places to see the autumn leaves
as well as the best time.  I am interested in MA, NH,
VT, and Maine.  I am new to this area.

Thanks in advance,

Victor
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: baer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Renting a US car to drive to Canada
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:18:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.160331.10839@tc.cornell.edu>, splee@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Seng-Poh Lee) writes:
> Do any US Rental companies rent cars that you can drive to Canada?
> I know most rental companies only carry insurance for the 48 contigous
> states, but there must be a way for someone who needs to travel to 
> Canada to do this. If anybody has done this or knows about rental
> companies that allow this, please post, or reply.
>
Many car rental companies will rent cars into Canada, and insurance 
coverage does not appear to be a problem for them.  I'm not sure if it is
the case with all companies, though, so I'd ask around.  I am a Canadian
citizen who works for a month a year in Ann Arbor MI (on a visa).  Since I'm
now in a 1-car family (we dropped our second car for $$ & ecological reasons),
I needed a way to get back to see my wife on weekends this summer (I would
have preferred the train, but Via/Amtrak connections are impossible).  I
rented a car for three weekends last summer, with little difficulty.  but
here are some useful notes:
  a) For most/many car companies, the usual free roadside service is not
available in Canada.  Thus, if your car breaks down, you may be left to 
your own devices.  (They will probably authorize you to get a tow to the
nearest garage or whatever, but you'll need to phone them first).  This
can occur even if the company in question also operates in Canada -- the
Canadian subsidiary is an entirely different operation.   Ask about this
before driving away. At the very least, get yourself the U.S. phone number
you can call in case of difficulty.  [Of course, breakdowns that make 
cars totally undrivable are probably fairly rare in the rental business, 
unless cars >1 year old are rented].
  b) If you are a Canadian citizen renting a car from the U.S. to drive into
Canada, be aware of the fact that you will probably get stopped and hassled
at the border by Canadian customs.  There's a good likelihood they will not
let you through (they're upset about the fact that some Canadians living
close to the border will rent camper vans etc. from the U.S. for an extended
drive in Canada to avoid Cdn. taxes).   [I did not have this problem since
I had a U.S. visa for my one month visit.  Though not legally required, the
visa sure helped a lot when it came to avoiding border hassles].
  c) If driving into Canada, fill up with gas on the U.S. side before crossing
the border.  Canadian gas is much more expensive (speculations on the reasons:
i) gas taxes pay a greater share of the cost of maintaining roads in Canada, 
ii) slightly more oligopolistic industry structure, iii) slightly higher
distribution costs [lower pop. density, etc.]). 
> Thanks!
> 
> --
> Seng-Poh Lee    <splee@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu>
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells)
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:29:34 GMT

johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:

>I've never sucessfully gotten cash from a machine in Spain.

At the airport in Alicante, Spain, I tried in vain to withdraw
emergency cash from two automatic tellers using a Swiss EC card and
Swiss Eurocard. Then I pulled out an unassuming ATM card from a local
bank in Champaign, Illinois, and proceeded to withdraw the money I
needed "as if I'd never left home."

As a followup to this story, I needed the money to make an urgent
long-distance phone call from a pay phone at the airport [when will MCI
calling cards be valid for intra-European calls? :-) ]. As it turns
out, the two ATMs were situated right across from the airport
information desk. After withdrawing my money, I turned around and heard
my name being paged over the public address system asking that I come
to the information desk. I took a few steps forward, introduced myself
as the person being paged and was told to pick up the phone to answer a
call. The person I needed to call had called _me_.

(Actually, the person was expecting me to call from the airport with
reference to a flight and had gotten worried that I had not yet called.
I still think it makes a good story, though. :-) )

Kevin

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Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH-Zentrum, CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U)
Subject: Re: New Zealand in the Summer
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:30:00 GMT
Keywords: Skiing

In article <3988@cvbnetPrime.COM> pdelaney@fester.Prime.COM writes:
>
> Hello;
>
>I am looking for information about skiing in New Zealand in August 
>or September.  I want to know where to go skiing and what kind of
>skiing to expect.   Also, I would like to know the price for such
>an adventure.  
>
>Thanks 
>Peter
August/September isn't really summer in NZ by the way! More like the end of
winter...   ---Scott

Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.europe
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in Europe
Summary: Help needed for trip to Europe
Keywords: teach, english, Europe
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:34:43 GMT

I am planning a backpacking/working trip to Europe next (European)
spring and would greatly appreciate advice on a number of matters.

I am a South African, who has never left his country before, so the aim
of the trip is to see as much as possible.  Ideally I would like to
spend a year (or even longer) looking around, as I am unlikely to be
able to make such a trip again.  Any advice on where to go, what to see
etc?  I have read all the travel guides (Let's go, Rough guides etc) but
it strikes me that personal advice is a lot more useful.

Unfortunately, given the current exchange rate, I will run out of cash
within about two months - so it is imperative that I find a job
(preferably legal) as quickly as possible.

I have a degree in English, as well as a preliminary TEFL certificate
and some experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in
South Africa;  so it seems a good bet to me to try to get some kind of
TEFL job.

Obviously I would prefer to teach in one of the richer EC countries
(Germany, France, Benelux, UK) or Scandinavia - so that I can save a
little and travel elsewhere, but it concerns me that I might waste
valuable time & money looking for a non-existent job in one of these
countries, as it seems probable that jobs there are scarce and that
non-EC passport holders would be discriminated against.

The other options seem to be to go to Spain or Portugal, or, as a last
resort, Eastern Europe.  What concerns me about these options,
particularly Eastern Europe is that the money I could earn in such
places would severely restrict the possibilities of travel elsewhere in
Europe - and, given that the whole point of the trip is to see as much
as possible, this is quite a drawback.

Any comments on what the best plan would be?  Any advice on how to go
about arranging a TEFL job in Europe would be greatly appreciated - as
well as any other advice.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account:
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thanks very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: oddbjorn@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Oddbjoern Steffensen)
Subject: London 4-10th Oct
Organization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:47:56 GMT

Hi.

My class is going to be in London from
the 4th to the 10th of October. We are
looking for good restaurants/discoteques/
raves/concerts (mainly rock) and so on...

Are there any good sources of up-to-date
info about these things in London ?

General info about getting the most out
of London in 6 days are also appreciated
(but not the 'traditional' tourist stuff... :)

Info about good, cheap independent records 
shops would be nice, as well...

Regards,
Oddbjorn

PS! Does anyone know whether Alternative
    Tentacles actually sells records from
    their office in London or not ? :)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.railroad
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: TGV Nord (Was Re: Orlyval bankrupt?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:58:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.015224.15201@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.213107.19574@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) writes:
>>The amount of new
>>TGV lines that SNCF plans to construct by 2015 is very impressive. The
>>fact that most of the financing will be arranged through bonds is also
>>very impressive.
>
>	Exactly _where_ will all these routes go?

The following information is from a SNCF glossy entitles: "TGV en queques
chiffres" which contains a map of all proposed TGV lines to be built
by 2015. I summarize below what I read from the map. My interpretation
of the map may introduce minor errors in this description. The routes
listed below are identified as those that will be "Lignes nouvelles",
i.e. "new lines". There are a whole host of other lines in the map
which are identified as "Lignes amenagees et lignes classiques
empruntees par les trains a grande vitesse". The map is dated May 1991:

Today (Aujourd'hui):

Paris - Lyon
Paris - Le Mans
Paris - Tours/St. Pierre de Corps

Under Construction:
Paris - Arras/Lille
Lille - Calais (via Chunnel to UK)
Lyon - Valence
Paris Interconnection

Tomorrow (Demain):
(Listed not necessarily in the order in which they will be constructed)

Paris - Calais direct link
Paris - Rouen/Caen
Paris - Strasbourg
TGV Sud-Est - Dijon - Besancon - Belfort - Mulhouse - Bale(Basel)
Le Mans - Rennes and Le Mans - Angers
Tours - Poiters - Bordeaux - Dax
Bordeaux - Agen - Tolouse
Paris - Orleans
Lyon - Chambery - Modane(base tunnel to Italy)
Valence - Avignon - Marseille/St. Raphael
Avignon - Montpellier - Narbonne - Parpignan
Narbonne - Caracassonne

and a few other minor bits and pieces here and there.

Apparently SNCF uses a bogey of 8% return on equity per annum to
determine which lines will actually be built. Only those lines that
meet this requirement are actually going to be built (absent alternate
funding). Apparently TGV Sud-Est has already paid up the capital
invested in its construction and is returning around 12% on
investment, and TGV Atlantique is well on its way with 9%-10% return
on equity.

I have read elsewhere that the lines that are most likely to
be built sooner are: 

Lille - Brussels
Brussels - Germany
Valence - Marseille
Tours - Poitiers
Paris - Strasbourg - (Germany)
Dijon - Besancon - Basel - (Germany and Switzerland)
TGV Valence - Chambery - (Italy)

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
From: jameison@orion.sybase.com (Jameison Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Berlin
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: user@machine.domain
Organization: UC Berkeley XRN Design Team

Hi,

I am going to be in Berlin for a few days in mid October.
Does anyone have any recommendations for things to see?
I'd be particularly interested in museums/cultural exhibits.

Thanks,
	Jamie
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aircraft Age
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:11:31
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Oct4.092139.29854@ohare.Chicago.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM's message of Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:21:39 GMT


On Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:21:39 GMT, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) said:
> Yes, it does.  Looking at the latest JP and counting aircraft and
> rough (very rough!) average age for the smaller jets [in NW's fleet]:
>
>     A320	 35 @ 1.5 years
>     DC-9-14/15 30 @ 25
>     DC-9-31/32 77 @ 23
>     DC-9-41	 12 @ 24
>     DC-9-51	 28 @ 14.1
>     MD-82	  8 @ 10
>     727-51	  3 @ 27.5
> 		---
> 		193 @ 17.7
>
> With 122 aircraft in groups that average well over twenty years old,
> the relatively small number of A320s just doesn't carry enough weight
> to make much difference.  The 727-251s are right around the average as
> are the DC-10s; there just aren't enough 757s or 747-451s to make that
> big a splash.

This isn't supposed to be a list of all of Northwest's aircraft, is it?
There must be a mistake in the "727" column.  Northwest has >10 flights
on 727's leaving Detroit between 7 and 9:30 a.m.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
Subject: New York - Washington
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:32:24 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking to get between New York City and Washington, D.C. in January
next year. I only have a few days to spare, and I'm wondering what the
best (and cheap) way is of getting between these two places? I'm going
from New York to Washington and back again.

If planes, which airline and airports are best?

If buses or trains, what companies?

Please email me back. I will summarize if anyone but me is interested in
this!

Thanks in advance,
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: selling tickets on rec.travel.air
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:30:37 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) wrote: 
->It would really help if people selling tickets would
->make sure to put enough information in the subject header.
->"Airline tickets for sale" is not enough! 

it would really help if people who were selling tickets would do so in
a for-sale group!  

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Tell if travel agency is legitimate?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:46:58 GMT

philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig) wrote: 
->I have found tickets from "name" airlines are of the order of US$1500, but
->I have found a company in London that sells them for around US$500.
->
->Quite a difference! ...
->
->Failing that, how can I tell that if I buy my ticket then I'll get my flight,
->or at least my money back if the organisation doesn't deliver? I have heard
->of something called the IATA. Is this relevant here?

it absolutely is; IATA is the international association of travel
agents (i don't know if the letters IATA actually stand for these
words, but that's what the agency is).  travel agents who are members
of IATA post a bond (sometimes with the national affiliate of IATA) which
protects customers in the event that the agency goes belly-up ...
obviously, IATA agencies aren't usually fly-by-night operations; if
they were, then IATA would disappear fast as claims were made ...

since the agency is in london and you're (presumably) down under, the
best bet is to call IATA to inquire about your agency ... 

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From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Govenment subsidy: Was Re: Aircraft Age
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:44:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) says:

>> I *hate* government aircraft
>> subsidies (read: airbus, who is owned by various European Governments).
>>
>> --Helen
>> --
>> Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
>> Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
>> Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
>> Systems and Networks Administration	 
>women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org
>
>All the American aircraft companies owe their existence due
>to govenment subsidies in the form of military contracts.
>I much prefer the european subsidy since that didn't
>result in weapons of destruction.

But the U.S. military buys a product, they don't give charity contributions
to MD or Boeing, etc the way the europeans support Airbus. Also, a little
off topic for this newsgroup, the fall of communism, the end of the cold war,
and the general lifestyle improvements for people in eastern Europe are a
direct result of the "weapons of destruction" being a defensive deterrent in
holding off the communists until economic conditions took there toll.


 
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From: hong@nttsgw.yh.ntts.co.jp (Zhang Hong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: visit the States
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:05:50 GMT
Organization: NTT Software Corporation, Yokohama, Japan

Dear Netters:

	I am going to visit L.A., San Franciso, Seattle and Austin on
this December from Japan. In Japan, the cheapest ticket is from Tokyo
to L.A.. So I need the airpass that I can fly to San Franciso->Seattle->
Austin->L.A.. My question is how I can buy the cheapest airpass? I will
stay in the United States for 3 weeks, from Dec.16 to Jan.10.

Thanks in advance.

H.Zhang
NTT Software Corp. Japan
hong@nttsgw.yh.ntts.co.jp
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Air safety
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:40:32 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

mingos@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote: 
->Sorry to post this here, but I need help, and this seemed the best place to
->go.

sounds like the right place to be.

->  My wife and I were planning on trekking in  Nepal next year, but following
-> the two recent accidents, she is refusing to be flown into Kathmandu airport.

this is unwarranted, i think.  there are *many* airports which are
difficult to fly into ... kai tak (sp?) in hong kong is absolutely
amazing; you can see into nearby flats as your aircraft lands!  there
is *no* room for error  there ... los angeles is another airport that
pilots hate to land in ... i'm sure there are others.  

->  Reports in the press here speak of;
->   1.  Kathmandu being a devil to land at.

see above.

->   2.  Pilots hating to have to land there

ditto.

->   3.  Pakistan Int'l Airlines being an accident prone bunch of hackers

back this up.  if i were to base my flying decisions on two recent
accidents, i'd probably have to walk around the country.

-> information about the safety record of any of the airlines which fly into
-> Nepal from the UK (PIA, Thai Air, Cathay Pacific, and Royal Nepal Airlines,
-> fly there to my knowledge, there may be others).  

i'd put my stock in thai air or cathay pacific; their operations most
closely match western standards, and may make your flight more
comfortable and less accident-prone.

->  Other stuff I'd be interested in is how many crashes there have ever been at
-> Kathmandu, out of how many flights there (rough numbers will do, doesn't
-> matter how rough, really).  Is Nepal likely to put radar in the airport, etc

this is a lot of work.  better to stop by your local library and ask
(a nearby university library is probably a better bet).

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Charge Card for ticket purchase (Q)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:01:37 GMT

reddyv@infonode.ingr.com (Venu Reddy) wrote: 
->henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->>Anand.Rao@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Anand Rao) wrote: 
->>-> What about the travel insurance provided by the credit card companies?
->
->>credit card companies don't provide "travel insurance," generally;
->
->	My Discover card and NWA Visa card from Bank One, both PROVIDE
->me travel insurance worth more than 300,000 for free.

this sounds like *accident* insurance, not trip insurance (the latter
is what protects you when you buy a restricted-use ticket and your
plans change ... the former pays when you lose an arm or die on the
road ... )

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