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Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:01:00 -0800

 -=> Quoting gilbert.m.stewart to All <=-

 >Are we so cut off from the past that
 >nothing in the past is relevant? Perhaps you should consider the
 >possibility of NOT knowing about the past as a road towards a new
 >civilization?

 gi> Doesn't seem to be what was said.  After all, there's a difference
 gi> between ignoring history and admitting that recorded history cannot be
 gi> expected to be anywhere near 100% accurate or complete.  Heck,
 gi> information passed between any three people in a week gets screwed up
 gi> and filtered.  Today's news is often sketchy and incomplete and
 gi> frequently "objective" reports are colored by the reporter and the
 gi> currently-fashionable way to get ratings.

Oh, you're appealing to subjective interpretation here. I guess the
value of news is in its raw information content and not in its bias.
All I am saying is that we're making idols out of people who reacted
to their own situation differently than we do today.

 >Why do you say that Malcolm X can't be a modern "extension" or metaphor
 >of fighter for human rights? 

 gi> Doesn't sound like that's what was said.  Was it?

Malcolm X had a message and a vision that was ahead of his times. The
point is that we're not so much beyond those times, and that we can't
afford to ignore him still.

 > MH> best, but it is all we have.  To say that the indian account is
 > MH> more correct than the european account is equally flawed.  
 >
 >So what if indians had sacrifices? They had never fought wars. They had

 gi> They had never fought wars?  Could you clarify this?

Yes, the aztecs had never fought a war, as far as I know. They were
basically a peaceful culture who sacrificed a few people every season,
but never killed one another for any conventional reason. That rhymes...

 >never used fire weapons. Of course, the disease destroyed them...

 gi> Fire weapons are a question of level of technology.  I'm not sure
 gi> if this is relevant to your point.  Could you clarify this as well?

Again, the point is the brute force used by the Spaniards was the only
reason they were the conquerors. They didn't try to reason with the
Indians, and find out what the Indian thoughts were really like.


 gi> I was a bank guard for several years.  It's really not that great.
 gi> Particularly if you're with a partner who practices quick-draws in the
 gi> mirror with a loaded weapon.

I'm glad you're not one anymore. A friend of a friend who was a security
guard got shot last year and was paralyzed for life. Guns should be
outlawed except for people who use them lawfully.
Eduard

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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: "Reservoir Dogs" review. (DO NOT) See this film!
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:22:13 GMT

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:

>BOYCOTT RESERVOIR DOGS! Do not see this film unless you appreciate 
>unbelievable amounts of ultra-graphic violence, unrelenting racism, and have 
>a tolerance for deep seated sociopathy. This film is unredeemable 
>contemptible and sick.

That covers most of the Western Civilisations youth (usually male).  Next
please.

hook
Is my old .sig really that long?

>Jeff Jonsson
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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: matte lines around spaceships
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:08:35 GMT

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:


>When I watch Star Trek (the original show) or even a tape of
>Empire Strikes Back, I see extremely obvious lines around teh
>ships, or in the case of Empire, even the asteroids. That is,
>there is a rectangular frame around each object that changes every
>few frames.
>Why are these lines so obvious on the tv screen but not noticeable
>on a film screen?
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California


Here's how it was explained to me once, by a SFX guy.  The problem is, the
home video version is a "better" print of the film than the version that's
screened in theaters.  What you're seeing on your TV screen is a video made
from a second-generation print of the film (the first generation being the
film negative itself), with absolutely the greatest range of color possible.
The version that's screened in theaters across America and elsewhere is
a fifth or sixth-generation print, where the color range has collapsed a bit.

The point is, those rectangular shapes you see represent the "bluescreen" area
surrounding the object being animated.  When the thing is being printed, it
appears as a polygon of color lighter than the surrounding starfield.  The
filmmakers know that by the time the film goes through five or six generations
(copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of the master), the color will collapse
enough that the color difference won't be noticeable.  Because they went
from that original, second-generation print when they made the home video
release, all those matte lines are plain as day.


-- Andy
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movie with 'blows' in the title?
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:36:13 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes...

> - Steve "I never heard of When The Wind Blows, either"
masticol@cs.rutgers.edu.

    A superb film. It is a cartoon. Basically it is the film version of
the (cartoon) book of the same name by Raymond Briggs (he of Fungus the
Bogeyman fame). It has only 2 characters: and old man and an old woman.
The film is set almost entirely in their house and involves their
reminicing about the war they have already lived through while dealing
with the possibilty of the war they are about to experience (all out
nuclear). A very moving and harrowing film. I think Sir John Mills did
the man's voice but I'm not sure.

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| Gary Bradley        |   "You receive a love letter from me and |
| ORACLE Corp, UK     |                  you're f*cked forever!" |
| Edinburgh, SCOTLAND |        - Frank Booth ("Blue Velvet")     |
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: BLADE RUNNER: The Director's Cut 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:04:07 GMT

In his well thought-out review of the Director's Cut of Blade
Runner, which I will not repost for reasons of brevity and BW
conservation, Frank R.A.J. Maloney takes exception to
Sebastian's genetically-engineered toys, saying that their
cutesiness (my word, not Frank's) detracts somewhat from the
overall tone of the film. I beg to differ on this point. I've
always thought the toys were a chilling, albeit obvious,
reference to the crass and insensitive uses to which humans put
Replicants. Being doomed to a life of greeting your master and
creator when he comes home and forever bumping cutely into the
post on your way back into the living room seems at least as
bad a fate as being created to fulfill the sexual cravings of a
shipload of colonists. (Although some might not object to
that... :-) This point is underscored by Roy when he enters
Sebastian's flat and delivers my favorite line of the entire
movie: "Gee, you've got some really nice toys here." NOT an
admiring compliment.

I've not gotten to see the Director's Cut yet; please refer to
my later posting on this group for my feelings on that matter.
(Oh, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE let it come here...)

Steve
--
Language is a virus from Outer Space.      |-----------------------------|
And hearing your name                      | Steve Tilson                |
Is better                                  | sdt8s@poe.acc.virginia.edu  |
Than seeing your face.   (Laurie Anderson) |-----------------------------|
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From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:15:46 GMT

>>>	Anyway, I swear that I'll never to go another Steven King's adaptation
>>>movie.  I guess Misery is just a fluke of all those BAD BAD Steven King's
>>>adapation.

>Don't forget about other good to fantastic King adaptations:
>The Shining
>Carrie
>Salems Lot
>The Dead Zone
>Stand By Me

ie. All the older ones. Since SK became a big name in movies,
everything's being done, and hurried since the more they get out the
more money they'll make. Until, that is, people cop on that
everything since Graveyard Shit (and a couple before it) are a load
of crap. (well... most of them.)
Esp. <spit> Lawnmower Man <spit>

mNSio
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From: wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: great voices
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:33:42 GMT

How about:

John Rhys-Davies
James Earl Jones
Ralph Richardson
Walter Brennan
Lauren Bacall
David Hemmings


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Mindy
wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences
Northwestern University


From: davel@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Dave Lancaster)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:52:31 GMT
Subject: Leon Redbone?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies


Leon Redbone (the guy in the white suit in the GEO commercials singing 
"getting to know you ...") was once in a movie playing the same character
and acting as kind of a singing narator.  Anyone out there on the net remember
what the name of the movie was?

Dave Lancster
Loveland, Colorado
email - davel@hplvfjls.lvld.hp.com

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:18:06 EDT
From: <BMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie


How about "Freejack" as one of the most embarrassing movies of all time.  I
almost cried when I saw the budget for the movie.  If Ministry hadn't had any
songs in the movie, it would have been totally worthless.

Other drek includes:
Monster in the Closet ("I don't give a monkey's fart....")
Lucas
Deadlock
Highlander 2
qquit
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Subject: Re: REALLLLLLY bad embarassing movies
From: <WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 11:26:59 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I just poked my head in on this thread and I have to say that the all time
winner in the category HAS to be "The Beer-Drinker's Guide To Fitness And Film-
Making."  I read good reviews of this piece of garbage and talked my friends
into going to see it and have yet to hear the end of it (this was four or five
years back I think).  It is a movie straight from the bowels of hell and was a
complete waste of good money.
 
Anybody else out there make the mistake of watching this piece of ukrl?
 
normy norm
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:09:47 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>From article <gunnarh.100.716454076@dhhalden.no>, by gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO):
>> In article <1992Sep9.185510.26219@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina) writes:
>>>Driving Miss Daisy (tried to watch it 3 times.  fell dead asleep w/in 20mins)
>> Yup, Extremely boring.

>No, quite good.  Of course, nobody gets shot during those 20 minutes
>(nor later in the film).

You noticed that too, huh?  That was the film's fatal flaw: no violence!
And how could they make a movie called "Driving Miss Daisy" and then
neglect to write in a couple car chases?

:)

                              --Steve Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: robocop
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.1489.28797@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
>
>     I took a close look at Paul Verhoeven's "Robocop" yesterday.  I
>was bowled over by this movie when it first came out in the theatres in
>     And so, finally, it is the corporate worker - Robocop - who wins.

At the expense of his family and life outside of his job.  And he has
his brains scooped out and used for company productivity.  These
parallels are striking.

>     This is the true "theme" of the movie "Robocop:"
>
>     THINK FOR YOURSELF!

"But if you're not a Team Player, we will ensure that all of the
above happens."

>---
> ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ Dave.  Stop.  Stop, Dave.  I'm afraid.

You and me both, HAL.

GMS
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:32:35 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <gunnarh.100.716454076@dhhalden.no>, by gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO):
> In article <1992Sep9.185510.26219@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina) writes:
>>Driving Miss Daisy (tried to watch it 3 times.  fell dead asleep w/in 20mins)
> Yup, Extremely boring.

No, quite good.  Of course, nobody gets shot during those 20 minutes
(nor later in the film).

>>Angel Heart (come on....Louis Cipher?)
> Who is this guy anyway...I mean, everybody likes angel heart!

Well, since I'm not everybody, I didn't.  Actually, Louis Cipher was
one of the better ideas in this aimlessly wandering collection of
beautiful shots and gory scenes.  All atmosphere, but no tension, no
drive.  Foundered under its own pretensions and ended up nothing but
silly.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.sex
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:04:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sex
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intstitute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

>>>-- I wish there were more *significant* sex scenes in most movies,
>
>Heh.  This reminds me of my favorite sex scene to date, contained in
>

Please check the Newsgroups line and try to limit crossposts.
This really isn't a rec.nude topic (rec.nude removed from the
Newsgroups line).

-- 
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aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
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From: mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:35:05 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Sep5.180749.7330@news.yale.edu> (J M T Costa) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>,
>mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (I) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
>>  embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
>>  up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
>>  who bought a ticket to this turkey).  Movies on video don't count as
>>  your stupidity is hidden by the walls of your house. :-)
>
>It must have been a totally idiotic, mornic, unfunny film about earth being
>invaded by green stand-up comedians from Mars. There ought to be a law
>against moronic would-be cult movies.

Well, seeing how it has been mentioned before, I guess I can come clean...
_COOL_WORLD_.  What a piece of shit.  Not so much as a toon tit.
And as with Roger Rabid, I could care less how they did it as well. 

I was warned by my 16 year old son to stay away from Highlander II.  He
had seen Highlander previously and really liked it.  He apparently 
persuaded his friends to go with him.  He is still razzed about it
jokingly to this day (I see to it). 
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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Subject: Re: Highlander Question
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:02:08 GMT

In article <BuA2sH.Mr2@acsu.buffalo.edu> mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:
>In the movie "The Highlander", was Lambert's character named:
>
>		Collin, Collum, or Connor   Macloud?
>
>

     Connor *MacLeod*  MacCloud/MacLoud are Americanizations of the name.
   
>			Thanks,
>
>

>                	Marie Elena Copertino


You are most welcome,

-Neal
From: tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: WOODY ALLEN MOVIES
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:31:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Colouring Book Software

leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

>But, despite this, every new Allen movie is compared to some myserious standard
>of "the old Woody Allen." If it isn't funny, it isn't good. Using these 
>standards, Alice got the bad end of the stick - 

I disagree, I enjoyed 'September' and 'Interiors' but 'Alice' struck me
as a purely self-indulgent movie. For my money Allen's best film is
'Stardust Memories'. Here he managed to show what he felt to the
audience and he was funny at the same time. 'Alice' was his worst movie
not because it wasn't funny but because it was a bad film.
T

-- 
Tony Cunningham, Insignia Solutions. 				   tjc@ed.ac.uk

Yes, I carry a grudge. If someone pokes me in the eye, I'll poke both of
their eyes. larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)
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From: ballerup@diku.dk (Per Goetterup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:28:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Why are everybody slammming at the two recent Stephen King
adaptations? - I really liked both Sleepwalkers and The Lawnmover Man,
the latter not really based on the SK short story with the same title,
but a great movie by itself. Perhaps they should've omitted the use of
Stephen Kings name in connection with it, but...

Sleepwalkers was just great! - And letting Stephen King himself appear
in it as the graveyard attendant was fun. Add to that the use of two
other horror masters as coroners - Clive Barker ("Hellraiser" and
"Nightbreed") and Tobe Hooper ("Poltergeist") was a real nice
surprice and a great gimmick.

Most of the other adaptations was great too, although I seem to recall
that one of them was really bad - no great S-FX to lift it up, no real
horror mood, no real thrill and bonehead acting in places. Can anyone
identify this one? - It was rather oldish...





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| Student, DIKU (Dept. of Comp. Sci.) | world, I think, is the inability   |
| University of Copenhagen, Denmark   | of the human mind to correlate all |
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From: alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Pina)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:55:10 GMT

Chariots of Fire
Driving Miss Daisy (tried to watch it 3 times.  fell dead asleep w/in 20mins)
Batman
Naked Lunch (i think you have to be stoned to get it)
People Under the Stairs (burn in HELLLL!)
Evil Dead (too outdated)
Frankie & Johnny
Sleepwalkers
Pet Sematary (really, anything driven by a King tale)
Family Plot (disappointing, cutesy Hitchcock)
Tales from Grimly Hall 
Angel Heart (come on....Louis Cipher?)
that kinda new one w/blonde and michael douglas - i forget the name.
touted as erotic.  Get a grip!  EROTIC - NOT!  Take a look at Greenaway's
CTWL or Henry & June and that'll teach you what erotic is.

Too many more to list.  Must get back to work!
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From: wbwaller@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William B. Waller)
Subject: Drowning By Numbers-- number list?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:41:33 GMT

Can anyone post or e-mail a list of when and where the numbers appear in this
Greenaway film? We're going mad!
Thanx in advance.

-- 
===============================================================================
W. Brad Waller                         "For a dreamer, night's the only time 
wbwaller@phoenix.princeton.edu                        of day..."
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Summary: most embarassing movie within a movie
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:59:00 GMT
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Organization: AT&T


Swedish Marriage Manual
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:

>Sidney Poitier!

My god, he's a handsome man!  (and I say that as a hetero male).
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject:  _Ender's Game_ movie
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa  
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:01:26 GMT

>Well, this isn't exactly a classic, but I think Orson Scott Card's
>_Ender's Game_ would translate pretty well.

I disagree - it IS a classic :>  I heard the rumor that EG was
being considered, and one of Scott's nit-picks was that Ender
should be played by an 8 year old (as in the story) not the 12
or 13 year old being discussed. 
-- 
gary cooper (not the dead one)

                             Luddites Unite! 
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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: movie about Green Flash?
Keywords: green flash
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:36:52 GMT

In article <BuGuE5.9q@apollo.hp.com> stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.164053.15760@osf.org>, steiner@ninja.osf.org
>(Jennifer Steiner) writes:
>|> Hi, does anybody know what movie had the "green flash" effect
>|> in it?  
>
>Its called "A Flash of Green" and stars Ed Harris and Blair Brown.

Another possibility is Eric Rohmer's "Le Rayon Vert" [The Green Ray],
which was shown in the US as "Summer".

Wayne
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From: arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Ailsa Jenkins)