HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:27:00 GMT


In article <BxKqLJ.Ivv@acsu.buffalo.edu>, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes...
> 
>An attack on the Chinese culture is an attack on the Chinese people
>(or anyone of Chinese ancestry)

Not true.  Someone of Chinese ancestry can reject everything about Chinese
culture.  Perfect example is your nemesis, Mr. Joe.

>I consider myself a blend of Chinese and American cultures, and personally
>I feel American culture is more racist than Chinese culture...

???  Just try marrying a white or black (or even just simply non Han Chinese)
and see how well you or your mixed children are accepted in China.

From D. Joe:
>>There's another case.  It involves China Airlines.  Acoording to ABC
>>News and Reuter's news service, this airline (which is run by Chinese-cu
>>folks) has at least 2 requirements that applicants for the position
>>of flight attendant must meet.  They are
>>
>>   (1)  The applicants must be virgins.
>>   (2)  The skin of the applicants must not be too dark.

To which Ms. dtwei replies:
>This is bullshit. Everybody in China has the same skin color, and I don't
>think there are that many foreignors serving on the China Airlines..

I guess you don't know how multi-racial China is.  Have you ever heard
of the Uyghurs (of Turkic origins)?  They happen to live in Xinjiang
province.  Even among Han Chinese, the skin color varies tremendously.
Your statement is bullshit.

>What's wrong with the first rule you immoral pig? What happened to the
>family values?? (another weakpoint of the American culture) :)

The smiley is for saying you are sarcastic, I hope.  Stewardesses in
the US are excellent professionals and I feel safer flying with them than
flying on an airline that require only a pretty face and virginity to be
part of the cabin crew.

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Chinese for Perot
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:34:04 GMT

In article <92310.211200SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu> <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.014202.19259@ampex.com>, leepeng@ampex.com (Peng Lee) says:
>>The reason why Perot insists that we raise tax to pay the $4,000,000,000,000
>>debt is that HE OWN $2,000,000,000 of them.  Majority of he wealth is in
>>US saving bond.   Of cause he wants to raise everybody's tax to pay off
>>the debt.
>
>>AND guess who doesn't have to pay that tax.  -- You guess it   Perot!
>
>>Interest gain from Saving Bond is exempt from Federal Income TAX, and
>>Texas doesn't have a state income tax.

>Well, the election is over, so the point is moot. But, just for the record,
>Perot doesn't own half of the national debt. He's worth about $2 BILLION,
>not $2 TRILLION. So, even if all of his money was in bonds, he would only
>own 1/2000 or .05% of the national debt. I doubt if greed was a significant
>factor in his running for president.

Not to mention that interest from US Savings Bonds are not _exempt_ from
federal income tax, just deferred.

Also, I think most of Perot's wealth is in municipal bonds, not US savings
bonds.  Munis are tax-exempt, but I don't think they count against the
_national_ debt (since I think most are issued by states or local counties,
not the federal government).

It is true that Texas doesn't have state income tax, though.  :-) :-)

Jim
From: vallamn@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: What is Asian ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:57:00 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati



Hi !  I am an Indian student who occasionally reads s.c.a.a.  What
I do not understand is this :  Why do the netters relate the word
'Asian' with only those ethnic groups of far-eastern nationality ?

Are not Arabs, Iranians, Indians etc. Asians ?  This may be one
of the reasons why non-oriental(forgive me for being politically
incorrect) people of Asian origin do not post in this newsgroup.
The association of the word 'asian' with 'oriental' is of American
( read white ) origin, and that does not mean you ( and me ) should
accept it as what it is, namely a misnomer.  I am not criticizing 
here, just suggesting.  So don't flame without explanations please.


Nalini Mohan Vallampati
University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, OH 45221
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara)
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Keywords: Typical
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:05:36 GMT


jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) responding to
pmfisher@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Fisher):

> You know, the first part of your post wasn't too bad on the
> sarcastic scale. The old "blame it all on us--we're white"
> remarks.  Nothing JJ couldn't have written better, but still, not
> bad.  But what's with that last comment?  As if Asian culture, or
> even Chinese culture, in this country boils down to nothing more
> than take-out from a restaurant.
> 
> But tell you what, given the choice, I'd *still* prefer that
> little sliver of "Asian culture," as opposed to "white culture"
> in this country, which from what I can glean is nothing more than
> a bunch of loud-mouthed drunks scream- ing in a hot-tub at two in
> the morning and tossing their half-empty beer cans in front of my
> apartment.
> 
> Jim

I personally don't see a reason for white people to stick
together or to identify with each other -- just for the status of
being white (?).  Asian Americans and minorities have more
"reasons".

I would like to see all Asian Americans "united" and "strong".
Not because we share the same ethnic nationality, not because we
all look the same, not because we speak the same ethnic language,
not because we're the same "People", but because we share the
same visionary goal of eliminating the racism and injustices in
the society -- stereotypes, discrimination, prejudice, and
anti-Asian violence.  If a person doesn't believe in this, I
don't think Asian Americans have good reasons for sticking 
together either -- we're all unique multi-dimensional human
individuals.

We're motivated toward unity due to sharing a common personal
experience with racism -- mostly because we're a visible minority
in a white majority.  We seek an environment of peace, free of
racial bias, where we can all be confident in our identity, and
free of the minority hangups of inferiority.  I think this is
the "Asian American culture" that we're talking about.  I feel
it's a very noble goal and a noble cause for unity, and we should
feel special that these ideas brings us together.

Being against racism doesn't mean being being "anti-white", but
rather anti-ignorance, pro-compassion, and pro-individual.  If
non-Asians want to join Asian American for the same reasons, I
don't see any reason why not (but sometimes you need the 
experience of being a minority to really relate).  I hope that one
day in the future, Asian Americans also will have no reasons for
unity, because racism will be eliminated, and we'll all be part of
the same world community. (Is this too idealistic?)

Wataru

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10007 soc.culture.bangladesh:5727
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Racial hate crimes
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:57:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.164305.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>* stuff deleted *
>* I explained to him that Hong Kong is at the south end of Mainland China, but
>* he kept insulting me as a Jap, and saying that Hong Kong is in Japan.
>
>	You shoud have gave this guy a boxing lesson instead of giving him a
>lesson in geography.  Reason: most Americans are ignorant when it comes to 
>Asian cultures.  Regardless of where you are from (Japan, China, 

Unfortunate, but quite true.  Hot heads who use violence on others
to take out their frustrations and inadequicies, only understands
violence.  A geography lesson and pushing the blame on others will
just make you look like a wimp and assh*le to these people.

RT
From: chens@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Read me
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:37:28 -0600
Summary: nothing
Reply-To: chens@memstvx1.memst.edu   "S. Chen"
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

Well, I have nothing to say. Sorry.
From: sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton...1st Woman President ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:21:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov5.155757.3195@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu 
writes:
>I think she will make a very big impact on the traditional role of the 
>first lady.  She is a real sharp lady and is not afraid to speak her mind.  
>I don't think that she will be limited to the role of first lady though, I 
>think she may take a very active role in certain areas of governance that 
>interest her, mainly childcare, children's welfare etc.  Also, don't forget 
>that Roslyn Carter was present and actively participating in most cabinet 
>meetings during the Carter administration.

Given what we know of the next First Lady, I think you're right that she'll
probably have influence with Bill Clinton.  However, I would not go as far
to say that she'll redefine the role of the First Lady.  As the campaign of
Bill Clinton showed, women in the political arena are still only to be seen
and not heard...and it's almost 1993.
-- 
//Lui Sieh
Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum postero.  
Horace, Odes, I.xi.7;	<-- "Why post to USENET?" -Brian O.  Indeed.
What about my opinions?   ====>>   /dev/null     or    sieh@panix.com 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bshieh@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Shieh)
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:32:22 GMT

Just thought I'd mention that earlier this semester, Berkeley held
a commencement ceremony for the Japanese Americans from the class of
1942 who couldn't go through graduation ceremonies due to the internment.
Speakers included the University Medal winner that year (1942) who
happened to be Japanese American. Apparently he the University had
to send the medal to him through the mail since he was interned. I 
personally didn't attend the ceremonies. Wish I had.

-Ben
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: FACE magazine
Date: 11 Nov 1992 04:37:41 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

gak!  who was it that dared to put that thing on the cover?  Who dares call 
her a model???  As I felt the bile rise in my throat, I walked away forlorn
from the newsstand, understanding why we remain forever slaves to the
American conciousness.
From: danger@acs.bu.edu (jaewon kwak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Relocating to Hawaii
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:21:27 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <4920090@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> moda@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Margaret Oda) writes:
>>I'm considering taking a job in Hawaii (Oahu). Can someone tell me the
>>approx ave. price for a single family house in a middle-class 
>>neighborhood? 
>  Around $350K for a average/nice 3 bedroom 2 bath home.

First of all, the median price of a home is $350,000 but that price
applies to more homes in suburbs like Miliani and Wahiawa where traffic
can tie you up for 1 to 2 hours in the morning.

>>How about the job market for a CPA (my wife)? 
>  If she is good, then she can get a job at one of the big 8
>  accounting firms such as Coopers & Librand, Pete Marwick, etc.
>  They are located in downtown Honolulu.

First of all, there are now only 6 "BIG" accounting firms in
the world.  Second, these "Big 6" firms do not readily accept
accountants who are not from branch firms or other big 6 firms.
In fact, I believe that an accountant without a current position of 
power in another state cannot make it in the Hawaiian market.  I
worked at the Hawaii Employers Council for two years and know
of specific salary ranges and requirements in blue collar, military,
civil, and white collar industries.  I, in fact, will be looking
for a management associate type position following graduation
and expect to receive about $18 to $22 thousand.  Trying to
live outside of the communal family home on that kind of salary
in Honolulu is tough.

>>Any area I should stay away from? 
>  There are no gettos in Hawaii.  It's a pretty safe place to live.

I have to disagree.  Since Brian is going to be working near 
Wheeler AFB, there are many ghettos that he should be staying
away from.  Although they are not ghettos per se, they are
very depressed areas where opportunities are low and crime higher.
These areas include Wahiawa in central Oahu, Kalihi in Downtown
Oahu, Waianae on the western coast of Oahu, and the area between
Hawaii Kai and Kailua on the Eastern coast.  These are
areas dominated by native Hawaiians, Samoans, and Filipinos.  They
are slums adapted to the Hawaiian lifestyle.

There are no real paradises anymore.

Most of the subdivisions that seem very secure for raising
a family include Hawaii Kai (about $500,000 a home), Kailua (about
$450-$550), Mililani (about $250 to $350), Manoa ($900,000), and
upper Liliha ($400 to $500).  There are other places that are very
safe, but these are the generically nice places to live.

Sigh.  I miss home now.

Jae Kwak








Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mike@clubmezz.uucp (Michael T. Itamura)
Subject: Re: 1992 Election results of Calif Asian Americans
Reply-To: mike@clubmezz.UUCP (Michael T. Itamura)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:16:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.214426.1377@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>The San Jose Mercury News showed that the number of Asian-Americans
>in the House of Representatives increased from 3 to 4.  The number of
>Asian-Americans in the Senate remained the same: 2.
>
I'm pretty sure that the correct numbers should be five Asian Americans
in the House and one Asian American in the Senate.  They are

	House
		Jay Kim (R-Calif)
		Bob Matusi (D-Calif)
		Norm Mineta (D-Calif)
		Patsy Mink (D-Hawaii)
		Mark Takano (D-Calif) - All of the absentee ballots
				for this race have not been counted yet
				(I'm not sure why) so this is still up
				in the air.  Last I heard was that he was
				up by something like 1000 votes so he will
				probably win.

	Senate
		Dan Inouye (D-Hawaii)


Note: 	Patsy (Takemoto) Mink is a Japanese American
	Akaka (D-Hawaii) is Hawaiian

Have I missed anyone?
		Mike Itamura
		mike@clubmezz.berkeley.edu
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: More Money than Votes
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BxL48G.E7y
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

In article <BxGzp7.IFv@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>I simply cannot stand some of the "American" liberal attitudes..

I agree... you've never struck me as a paragon of tolerance.

>Personally, as a Chinese, I believe Bush will be more beneficial to us than
>Clinton because Bush will probably maintain a better relationship with China
>than Clinton.. People often ask me "but you're in America, what do you care
>about China?" This is true in a sense, but look at the Japanese-Americans
>during WWII.. The truth is: the U.S. must pay respect to your homeland if
>you want to live happily in the U.S.A.

Well, my homeland is Texas, and I don't see anyone respecting Texans.  :-)
And don't give me that (*#$& about this being Bush's "home state."

>p.s. this is a long article!!

No shit.  This warning might have served you better at the *beginning* of
the article.
From: misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Devjani Mishra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Vietnemese language, HELP! Anyone.
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:44:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Nov11.202342.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, souzaj@woods.ulowell.edu
wrote:
> 
> I am currently teaching ESL and process writing to Vietnemese and Hispanic
> students. I have a lot of familiarity with Hispanic language and grammar,
> but little knowledge of Vietnemese grammar. I am interested in gaining any
> knowledge of Vietnemese grammar structures so that I may more adequately meet
> my students needs. Can anyone give me a hand? Book recommendations, anything
> would be appreciated. Thanks!         JULES

Just forwarding this message.

-Devjani
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:55:57 PST

ATDT 825-0812
From: twu@camis.Stanford.EDU (Tom Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: The meaning of "-cu"
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:20:27 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: camis.stanford.edu


In soc.culture.asian.american you write:

>just what does '-cu' stand for? I am suspecting it might be
>'culture' but I am not sure.

     "-cu" means that you should not waste your valuable time on that
message and kill not only that message but any ones related to it.

:)

Tom Wu
tdwu@camis.stanford.edu
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Question: Who is Francis Jue?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:11:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov12.221115.22645
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	With M. BUTTERFLY off filming in Budapest, I hear the part of Soong is
being played by Francis Jue.  Anybody know anything about this actor? Past
credit, etc.?

	Also, from the grapevine, Dave Hwang will be opening FACE VALUE in
the latter part of March; he will begin filming GOLDEN GATE the first
week of December; an article on him will be appearing in the NEW YORKER
in the near to mid-future; and he is finishing up a first draft of a movie
version of a certain famous SF classic.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese for Perot
From: <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:12:00 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov5.014202.19259@ampex.com>, leepeng@ampex.com (Peng Lee) says:
>
>Here's another point of view:
>
>        The reason why Perot insists that we raise tax to pay the
>$4,000,000,000,000
>        debt is that HE OWN $2,000,000,000 of them.  Majority of he wealth is
>        in US saving bond.   Of cause he wants to raise everybody's tax to pay
>        off the debt.
>
>        AND guess who doesn't have to pay that tax.  -- You guess it   Perot!
>
>        Interest gain from Saving Bond is exempt from Federal Income TAX, and
>        Texas doesn't have a state income tax.

Well, the election is over, so the point is moot. But, just for the record,
Perot doesn't own half of the national debt. He's worth about $2 BILLION, not $2
TRILLION. So, even if all of his money was in bonds, he would only own 1/2000 or
.05% of the national debt. I doubt if greed was a significant factor in his
running for president.

Steve Wei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: 1992 Election results of Calif Asian Americans
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:16:34 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Sun, 8 Nov 92 06:16:47 GMT

In article <BxDFyx.A08@acsu.buffalo.edu> Danielle T Wei, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.214426.1377@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>>(Note that I'm expressing no opinion on affirmative.  What I'm saying
>>is that if you continuously conduct the experiment of selecting, with
>>replacement, a ball out a jar of 3 balls--red, white, and blue, then
>>the probability of picking a red ball becomes very high after a long
>>time of not having picked a red ball, assuming a _fair_ experiment of
>>3 unbiased balls.)
>
>No, that's called the Idiot's Probability..
>The red ball actually has a LOWER chance of being picked, because if
>it had never been picked before, its would be oppressed by the other balls
>to its lowly position because of lack of power..
>

Ha ha ha :-)  Pretty good humor there :-)

Just in case you are all confused as to what is the right answer:  if
you are replacing the balls, then you odds are equal that you'll get
the red ball ( 1/3 ) every time you grab for a new one.  If it turns
out that you aren't getting the red ball that much, well, you've just
discovered what _probability_ means and you are SOL.

>My solution?? NOT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!! Suppose you have 2 balls being
>oppressed, but one is larger than the other.. When you use the logics
>of Affirmative Action, you're really cutting the benefits of one [asians]
>to appease the other one with a larger voice [another ethnic group here]
>
>My solution: Social service exams, don't let those executives [clinto]
>appoint people because he needs to repay their favors!! Look at the
>drug czar we have today!?!? (name=Martinez, see story on Inside Edition)
>CORRUPTION!!!

What do you mean by Social service exams?  Wasn't Martinez (Florida's 
ex-governor) Bush's drug czar?  What does that have to do with Clinton?

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|   kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering   |
|   kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student        |
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| our government's actions because we the people are legally the basis |
| of its existence.  This means that we all owe at least $10,000 each  |  
| on the national debt.  You can't get something for for free.         |
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From: ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "Asians changing names to help job prospects"
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:55:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

(Hmm... about the 'race change operation' - after hearing about sex
change operations I'd kinda WONDERED if that was possible. ^_^) 

I have an Asian name, but I am white. I guess this is just about the
opposite situation from what you are discussing. I must say I took
advantage of this when living in Japan. If they can't tell I'm not
Japanese over the phone, I'm certainly not going to tell them
otherwise. Sometimes having a name that 'fits in' helps.
I feel it is awful that some people are bigoted, which makes
changing one's name sometimes a necessary thing to do, but if
someone truly wants to change their name for whatever personal
reason, why not?
		Maiko Covington\