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From: nason@pa881a.inland.com
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Subject: Transporter nightmares
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:52:05 GMT
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I realize that books are usually not considered cannon.  However, drawing from
the novel "Spocks World", the author makes reference to transporter technology
being invented on Vulcan.  Then making mention of how terrorists and criminals
had a field day with it. 

Assume over the next fifty years we manage to develop the technology.  Sure the
energy costs savings alone would push it to instant popularity.  Then imagine
the employment demagraphics etc.. etc...

Now assume that our morality has not changed all that much, good assumption
looking over the last fifty years.  How do we stop terrorists, murderers,
kidnappers, burgalars etc.. from using the technology for there own gains.  The
thought of it is mind boggling.  How do you stop it?  Require anti-transport
shields?? There goes the cost savings!  Remeber, transporting is not like
answering a phone, you can beam in anywhere.  

When you think of it in these terms, you hope the damn thing never gets built. 

Food for thought, from.....
John
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From: trekker@buhub.bradley.edu (Tim Lister)
Subject: Re: Geordi's visor in "The First Duty"
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:21:50 GMT

    A friend of mine who has "The First Duty" taped mentioned it to me
and said the new visor appears to be a series of small facets arranged
in a semi-circle.  Looks like maybe Burton has visor now that he can
see better through!  

Trekker

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Dilithium replication
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:53:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.223036.6417@hellgate.utah.edu> jwindley%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
>>
>>          Dilithium can't be replicated for a simple reason... It has a 
>>"fourth" dimentional aspect to it (for lack of a better word). It extends into
>>the same dimention used for sub-space communications.
>
>Where did you get this "fourth dimension" idea?  I've never heard it
>before. 

From John M Ford's book, "How Much For Just The Planet?"  While he is a good
writer, and his Klingons are more interesting than anyone's, this is,
of course, unofficial.

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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: OK, so I was wrong.
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:13:00 GMT
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We all know relativity is weird.  Maybe it's just that the warp drive 
reverses relativity as they accelerate to c, or something like that.
Has anyone come up with any other explanation for the "rubber-band" effect?

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From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Fleet Battles and Enterprise 1701D
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:27:50 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Susarla, H. Krishna) writes:

> Does anyone have any ideas how a Galaxy class starship SSD would look like?
> It would interesting to construct such an SSD for Star Fleet Battles.
 
        One of the real pissers about SFB is that it has no bearing on the 
real Trek Universe (insofar as armaments are concerned). Their version of 
the TOS Heavy Cruiser doesn't jive with the real deal. 


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From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: The Stardate System
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:19:00 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ


        Ok, I've been following the discussion on the Federation Stardate 
system. Here's a few points:
 
1. What is the BASE DATE of the System. In my ST:RPG, I assume that the 
Stardate System uses the year of the formation of the Federation.
 
2. Someone had mentioned that there are 1000 Stardates to the Julian Year 
and that this broke down to be 8.3 hours per date. Hmm, simple math tells me 
that this actually equals 1,055.42 Stardates.
 
        And while there will no doubt be discussion as compared to the 
series, I'm not really interested in hearing it. There have been enough 
satisfactory references to people and events, that we can lock down the 
timeline (using Julian dates). Let's try and work this out with useless 
series material, unless it directly pertains to this issue. Canon or no.

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From: rbr4@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Roland Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:39:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Apr16.194243.2904@Princeton.EDU>
 zimerman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Ben-david Zimmerman) writes: 

  >In article <92107.010556UD124895@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
  > <UD124895@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (Matthew McCowan writes: 

    >>In regards to Andy C. Saylor's question about warp fields, The book
    >>"My Enemy, My Ally" by Diane Duane has the Enterprise and Intrepid
    >>overlapping their warp fields with a Romulan ship (Bloodwing) to
    >>gain some speed.  I seem to remeber the book saying something about

Hmmm.  I have lost my copy of an older novel called "Spock Must Die"
(also definitely non-canon), where the technique of warp field
collision (and distortion) was used to cause a *collapse* of the warp
field.

roland
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From: petitc@nuge102.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Subspace vs. Antispace
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:51:59 GMT

  I was plugging some funny (imaginary) numbers into some quantum physical
equations and came up with a NEGATIVE probability curve.  When I consider this,
and the fact that, if you put in a velocity v, greater than c, you get an
imaginary number (NEVER complex, but imaginary).  To me, this signifies a space
that you enter to go faster than c. 

  In this anti-space, ONLY a v>c is permitted, with velocities approaching c (e.g.
slowing down) take more energy.  What relation is this antispace to subspace?  And
if there is none, then what IS subspace?  I mean, I've read the TNG Tech Manual,
but it never specifies what subspace is.


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Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:58:12 EDT
From: Just some weird dude <IO00198@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Basis for transporters


In article <ASWEENEY.92Apr9140715@camelot.sw.stratus.com>,
asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andrew Sweeney) says:
>
>OK I was just at lunch and after a few beer the talk got into star trek and   s
>thi
>statement
>came out.
>
>        "There is no scientific basis for the transporters (as opposed to most
>of the
>        other technical stuff). The only reason that the transpoters exist is
>        because when TOS was first started there was not enough $$$ in the
>budget
>        to have landing ship (shuttle craft) scenes."
>
>Can anyone verify this?
>
>Thanks
>
>Andy
According to an interview with Gene Roddenberry that I saw on
TV, the reason the ship had transporters was because he couldn't
figure out how the ENTERPRISE could possibly land.
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From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporter nightmares
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:48:09 GMT
Organization: <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>


   There was a short story by Stephen King a while ago
called "The Jont" where there was a teleporting device that
use two portals, one on each end. The catch was that anyone 
going through the device must be unconscience or be rendenered
insane. Any living conscience being would experience
"an enternety in there". So they give people a general anathetic
before going through. 


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Stardates and Timelines (was Re: Stardate conversions)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.021446.20767@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1992Apr13.073654.392@whscdp.whs.edu> stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu writes:
>
>I think the last might even take place after ST:TMP.
>
Since the old-style starship, uniforms and ranks were used, it cannot be
after TMP- we must assume that stardates aren't directly proportional to
time, but rather encode relativistic and positional data, as Gene has
said.

>>			  and one that was before 1300(TOS:WNMHGB), but, these
>>are not canon,
>
>Sure they are.  They were released by Paramount, they're on film, they say
>"Star Trek" on them.  They're perfectly canon in my eyes.

Complete agreement here.  Stupid, but "canon".

>>		and only the one before 1300 cannot be explained, because
>>it cannot have happened before "Where No Man...," and can't happen in 2274,
>>since this is the year TMP probably took place.
>
>I dunno; I don't remember "The Magicks Of Megas-Tu" very clearly (can you
>blame me? :-) but it *could* take place before "Where No Man"...

It had black-collared uniforms, which would place it after WNMHGB.
We just have to assume the same as above: that stardate isn't just a year.

>(No, I don't have these memorized; I have them on-line. :-)

I use a COMPENDIUM, which isn't with me right now... but I'll take your word
for it.

>>								and TNG's 
>>43000 was third season, 2366, so the original FYM's third year was 2266.

We don't know that JTB was in the third year of the FYM, because we have no
starting date for the FYM  (was WNMHGB part of the FYM? who knows...)

>>							The special missions
>>ran from SD 6000 to somewhere around 8000, 2269 to 2271.
>What "special missions"?  what episode do you get this from?

I've never heard of this, not even in unofficial sources.

>>							   From SD 8000 to 1000,
>>2271 to 2274, Kirk was chief of SFO and the Enterprise was being refitted,
>>(which is why the TAS episode from SD 1300 cannot go here, either.)
>
>I see this period as lasting from 2268 to 2271, with TMP taking place in 2271.

I have it as '70 to '73.

>>	The E's second FYM, we assume, runs from late 2274 to early 2279,
>
>SECOND five-year mission?  What episode or movie is THIS from?

We know that there were at least 15 years between TMP and TWOK.  There's no
evidence that there was a "five year mission", though that would be a logical
assumption.

>I agree with ST2-4, but what's your evidence for ST6?  All I recall hearing
>in that film is that it's been at LEAST three years since ST3.  (Ten years
>may be about right, though.)

3+ years is the only official figure.  The novel provides the 11-year gap.

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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: What are those points of light, anyway?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:48:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr06.020924.4870@ecst.csuchico.edu> jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart) writes:
>In article <56751@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>>What are those points of light that the Enterprise moves past when zipping
>>along at warp speed, anyway?  They are clearly not stars.

If you count them, you'll notice that there are "a thousand points of light".

		**Insert standard George Bush campaign propoganda here**

Okay, I'll leave now ..............
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From: jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart)
Subject: Re: STII screens vs shields
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: dal
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:14:56 GMT

In <1992Apr8.222038.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>Having just acquired the laserdisc of STII and re-watched the movie 
>several times, I noticed something I never noticed before:

>The Enterprise has both "defensive screens" and "shields"?!
>What's the story on this?  In the first attack by Kahn, the big E has
>energized defensive screens (accompanied by a graphic of the ship being
>"colored in" section by section), but hasn't raised shields (graphic of
>dots encircling the ship)...

>Energizing the screens sure didn't do them a damn bit of good!  Have
>we seen these before/since?
>                                        __
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>----------------------------*       / / /\ \      *---------------------------
>TTULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU         \_\/\ \ \       Especially the mouth part.
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	Just because the defensive screens are energized doesn't mean that
they are turned on.  It's the same idea as warming up a car before you drive
it.  The screens are "energized" so they can be "raised" on command, instead
of having to reaise them from a "cold start".

Jess Stuart
CSUC Chico CA
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From: jcoper@ccu.umanitoba.ca (D. Joseph Creighton)
Subject: Re: STAR TREK SHIP TYPES
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:02:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.033355.12869@news.iastate.edu> thanatos@iastate.edu (Bradley C Karsjens) writes:
>A few little tidbits from the ST:TNG manual to correct the earlier posting:

I'd like to take a small exception with the phrase "to correct".  As is
written in my disclaimer at the end of the list, this is a personal reference
list and any interpretation of canon material is left up to the reader.

In order to prevent the continuing comments from those who may not read this
disclaimer, I am forced to place it at the begining as a header, which -
IMO - looks rather messy.  I will also be stating in the header/disclaimer
that only television and film material is considered in the list.

>The USS Lantree, Reliant, Saratoga, and Brattain(Spelled this way in the
>manual) were all Miranda class ships.

My only comment here is that the last ship is spelled "Brittain" on-air.

[ Comments about the "real" class of the Enterprise A, B, and C deleted ]

>And from the Star Trek Star Fleet Technical manual:
[ Rest deleted ]
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ENTERPRISE CUT AWAY
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:20:45 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Apr14.231121.1299@bvc.edu> kesslerbrian@bvc.edu writes:
>Has anybody seen or ordered the new cut away poster of the Enterprise, 
>advertised in the STTNG Magazine #19? I am wondering how close it is to the 
>Technical Manual?
>

I picked it up at a con last weekend. I thought it a bit pricey for $20,
but it's printed on heavier stock than most posters.  I haven't checked
every detail but it does seem to follow the TNG Tech Manual fairly well.
Kind of cool, But I thought the placement of some of the facilities
rather odd.




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From: r13504141@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Bob E. Schmoo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Time travel
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53:00 GMT
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Organization: University of Arizona
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	Two weeks ago I watched (TNG) episode in which the Enterprise 
had become trapped in a time loop.  It seemed that this was caused
by a massive explosion which resulted from an impact with another
ship.  It was later explained that this was infact the case.  As it
turned out, the Enterprise had been caught in this loop for 7 days.
It was then learned that the ship the Enterprise had hit was another
confederation ship which had been caught in a similar loop for over
one-hundred years.  My question is that if the explosion was the
cause of the time loop, then what caused the other ship to be in
the loop for one-hundred years.  Obviously, the Enterprise could
not have been the cause.  Was this a mistake on th writers part, or
am I missing something.  

Thanks in advance,

Bob
From: emarkp@ocf.berkeley.edu (E. Mark Ping)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: dechyons
Date: 11 Apr 1992 21:19:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Apr11.161055.1586@merrimack.edu> nin15b42@merrimack.edu writes:
>What on earth is a dechyon?  I have looked for hours, but found nothing 
>to tell me what they are.  Are they subatomic particles that repeat in time?
>
>
>					-Henway
>
>-- 

  Treknobabble.  I really don't think there is such a particle as the 'dechyon'
(but then again, I'm only a physics undergrad).  I'm sure they made up the
name to sound like 'tachyon' which is a theorized particle.


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Subject: Re: Phasers, Disruptors, and Romulan ships.
From: jmumper@cstp.umkc.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:06:38 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

In article <RFS.92Apr6215114@kepler.unh.edu>, rfs@uunet.uu.net (Robert F Spence) writes:
>>    Romulan disruptors used some sort of arranged energy to vibrate the target
>>    matter apart, much like a microwave excites water, until that target is
>>    sufficiently disturbed.
> 
> See phaser description above.  The SFB Andromedians use a tractor-repulsor
> weapon.  Was that in the show or did ADB make it up?  What, if any, is the
> `Tech Manual' explanation for Disruptors?
> 

  Weird as it may seem, I think canon has disruptors as sonic devices.  Sound
waves doing heat damage, etc.  In TOS episode "Armageddon in a Day", the
Enterprise is attacked by a planetary disruptor system.  Sulu, measuring the
strength of the attack, uses the term "decibels", which is most commonly used
as a measure of sound intensity (yep, I know its also used, more correctly, as
a measure of signal-to-noise ratio, but I couldn't figure out how THAT would
apply!)

  Don't ask me how a planetary disruptor system using SOUND attacks a space
vessel through VACUUM.  Mine is not to question why, mine is to but remember
episodes.
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From: HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Susarla, H. Krishna)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet Battles and Enterprise 1701D
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:46:37 GMT



Does anyone have any ideas how a Galaxy class starship SSD would look like?
It would interesting to construct such an SSD for Star Fleet Battles.