From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 01:13:47 GMT

Paul S Galvanek (psg+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec31.172225.2131@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> greg_
bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman) writes:
: >
: >Show me where a value is being attached to the fact that something (such as
: >homosexuality) exists.  Yes, young people must be taught to "accept" that
: >they exist, just as we must "accept" that Aryan Nation exists and has a
: >right to exist, but simply stating the fact does not automatically imply
: >that one must approve of them.
:
: Simply by bringing homosexuality, or any specific group, into the class
: room you make a value statement.  By teaching it you're saying; this
: is worthy of our time and the special attention it's being given.
:
: If tolerance is really the goal, and I don't believe it is for a moment,
: then why mention homosexuality in any way shape or form?  Why not simply
: teach in social studies, or like classes, that no one has the right to
: attack or abuse or mistreat other people for no reason (I believe the
: "golden rule" might be a good place to start) You can teach tolerance
: for people without teaching tolerance for gays, straights, this group or
: that group.  The very fact that people insist that homosexuality be given
: "equal time" is a sex ed class implies that this type of behavior is
: the moral equal of heterosexuality.  You may believe that, fine but
: it's not your right to make that determination for everyone else.

The very fact athat people insist on suppressing discussion on homosexuality 
implies that this type of behavior is not the moral equal of heterosexuality.  
You may believe that, fine but it's not your right to make that determination 
for everyone else.

:
: The basic problem with the idea that tolerance for gays should be mandated by
: law and taught in schools, is that it flows from the false notion that ALL
: discrimination is wrong.  It's not!  To dicriminate is nothing more than
: to make choices, it's the ability to discern what we like from what we don't
: like and distance ourselves from what we don't.  Sometimes we as a society
: have decided that SOME types of discrimination are based on false prejudice
: or lack of accurate information - Blacks are all lazy uneducatable thieves,
: was a fairly common  description of an entire race up until recently and
: it was simply false, so we stop it.

Homosexuals are all child molestors is a fairly common description of an entire
class of people.  It is simply false, and we must stop it.

: Where discrimination of gays, to the extent that it even exists, differs
: is that it's based on mostly accurate information about known behavior.
: Tell a person what it means to be a homosexual and you will get a reaction.

Homosexual:  To be sexually attracted to people of the same sex.
My reaction is, Ok.

: Behavior, that's the key word!  People always have and always will make
: judgements about others based on behavior and will usually choose not to
: make relationships with those who engage in behaviors or acts they find
: distasteful.  The simple fact is most people find homosexual behavior to
: be anywhere from unacceptable to outright repulsive.  Sorry but like
: it or not you can never make people accept what you do.

Like it or not, you will never get people to accept blacks as equals.

:
: This past summer, I believe, either the New York Times or the Wall Street
: Journal (I'll try to find out which) had an article on what the actual
: impact of education concerning AIDS and homosexuals usually is.  The
: jist of the story was that some studies indicated that often time the
: more information given to people about these subject, the more like they
: were to be intoleratant and view gays in a negative light.  People simply
: know what behavior they consider acceptable and which they don't and you
: can not force people to accept someone else value judgements on behavior
: or the people that engage in that behavior.
:
: It's NEVER going to work!
:
: PSG

Sorry, but I have more faith in human nature than you do.
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