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From: hagar@glasses.Princeton.EDU (Paul Hagar)
Subject: Re: Denon DRM 710 tape deck/Denon in general?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:10:14 GMT

>In article <1992Sep30.221041.29563@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu
>(Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>>I have heard that Denon makes excellent tape decks. True?
>>Anyone familiar with the DRM710 in particular?
>>I was surprised to see the Signal/Noise ratio listed at >75db (Dolby
C).
>>I have seen better specs on some other "lower quality" decks.
>
>I have the DRM-700,  no problems and I like it a lot.  It passes the
>direct comparison tests as well as any cassette deck I have listened
>to.
>
I also own a DRM-700. However, I, unfortunately, have NOT
"[liked] it a lot." About 6 months after I purchased it, I noticed that
tapes I recorded on it had a high-pitched (TV-like) whine on them, which
was distracting. I record on TDK SA-X tapes, and haven't been able to
get rid of the whine even by fiddling extensively with the "Bias"
control. I have just resigned myself to the fact that I'll have to bring
the thing in for service. I realize that mine  probably an isolated
experience, but it's one I thought you should know about.

My motto is "Caveat emptor, always."

GOOD LUCK!

-Paul Hagar (phagar@pppl.gov)

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Black rubber CD rings - Any good ?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:38:57 GMT

I have often seen adds for these black rubber CD rings in hi-fi magazines and
thought nothing of them. Yesterday I borrowed an "Audio test" CD from a freind.
It had one of these on it. The music tracks on this CD sound great. I tried
it without the ring and could not detect any difference.

Whats the feeling of people out there regarding these rings. Are they simply
another snake-oil remedy or do they actually work ?

-- 
* Steve Green     *  "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat!"    *
* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
* ITS Branch      *  "Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO"                     *
* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
From: miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (zaphod beeblebrox)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Acustic Audio: did I get ripped off? Yes, you did
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:19:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep23.163454.29510@verdix.com> bill@verdix.com (William Spencer) writes:
>These speakers are very much like those sold with rack systems in department 
>stores. They can be quite listenable but are nothing special.

"Listenable" speakers can be had for under $250 at places like
Circuit City or Price Club.  I've seen Fisher and Kenwood 3-ways
with 15" woofers for $99 each.  12", 3-way Yamaha, with semi-dome
tweeters for similar prices.  KLH 12" 3-way with 1" dome tweeters
and FR down to 22 Hz.  These speakers may or may not be similar to
the ones selling from trucks, but you can listen to them before
buying and have peace-of-mind from buying from reputable dealers.

About how these inexpensive speakers sound:  I haven't listened to
the Kenwood speakers.  For the size, the Fishers don't put out much
bass (though that could be the cause of the large showroom).  One of
my apartmentmates has a pair of 8" 3-way Yamahas (same "Natural
Sound" series).  He got them for $63 each at DOW, brought in a Ken
Crane's ad for $48 each before the month was up, and got refunded
down to $47 each.  They sound good but can't handle much power
(meaning they can't get as loud as other, similar-sized speakers).
The KLH speakers can handle, supposedly, 295 watts RMS per speaker.
I don't know if they can really handle that much clean power, or if
they can really put out at 22 Hz (within 3dB?), but I do know that
they can get very loud without needing much power, while staying
clean-sounding (no audible distortion).

I guess the reason why people buy the speakers from truck-back is
that they are told that they are paying $350 for what someone else
is paying $1000 for.  Good deals can be found, but people should
realize that there are no free lunches (except from the Salvation
Army and other help organizations).

			Zaphod
From: j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: need recommendations for a good center speaker
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:18:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Sep28.151848.14139
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


  i'm about to get a center speaker for my Dolby Pro-Logic setup.  a Yamaha MX-M70 will
be driving this speaker (50W mono).  what's a good center speaker to get?  Polk has one
for about $140 and Pioneer sells one for about $60.  i've heard the Polk and it sounds pretty
good, but have not heard the Pioneer one yet.


Jason Perez			    | "Frodo Lives!"       "Gig 'em!"
j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu		    | Texas A&M Univ. - it's not just for 
j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu		    |                   farmers anymore!
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: srgcraf@grace.cri.nz (Ross A Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Expert care tips for tapes and CD's...
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:28:34 GMT

In article <ricker.717708157@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> ricker@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Lyerly) writes:
>Subject: Expert care tips for tapes and CD's...
>From: ricker@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Lyerly)
>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:22:37 GMT
>
>I have a speech to give and I need some info.
>
>Does anybody know of any good tips they use on their
>
>tapes or CD's... how they clean them, store them, and how 
>to basically make them last longer.
>
>Please help.
>
>How long do tapes  and cds last while kept in cars (direct sunlight or not)
>
>How does sun and heat affect the tapes and cds?
>
>How often should a tapedeck and cd player be cleaned?
>Any tips on how to.
>
>Can CD scratches be removed?
>
>Any other info appreciated greatly!
>
>Ricker
>
>P.S. Leave name and source and I might just quote you in my speech if
>     you want.
>
>  
My comments relate to tapes only - I can't afford a CD player for my car.  
The bottom line is - store your tapes in a container, there are heaps 
available on the market and don't leave it on the passenger seat!!  If 
you don't put the tape in a proper container, at least return it to the 
plastic cassette box.  Leaving the tape unboxed on a seat particularly if it 
has a sheepskin cover will rapidly corrugate it into a unusable mess.  
The longer term effect on tapes left in hot parts of the car is a gradual 
fading of the taped material i.e. lowering of the playback volume as the 
magnetic signal is weakened by the heat.

I have a proper box for my tapes and I store them under the front seat - 
well, hot air rises doesn't it?   I haven't had any problems with this 
after a few corrugated disasters.  If this does happen, all is not lost.  
I found a tape supplier that would sell cassette casings with only the 
leader tape in place.  With a bit of care and a steady hand it wasn't too 
difficult to completely destroy the damaged cassette and move the tape 
into the new casing.  Unfortunately these casings don't have the same 
precision tape transport as your Maxells and TDKs but at least you can still 
get to hear the tape.

The only short comment on CDs is that many players are most forgiving on 
scratches of a minor nature.  Anything major that causes skipping or 
freezing (playing the same note forever) might render the disc 
irretrievable.  But I am sure there are experts out there who have dealt 
with some CD disasters

Ross>>>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong)
Subject: Re: System purchased
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:57:42 GMT

jseiler@sei.cmu.edu (Joseph Seiler) writes:

>I have purchased my system. Just to start off, I would like, once again, to
>thank the wonderful people on the net and the people who responded to my
>posting for all of the helpful information that made purchasing my first
>"REAL MONEY" audio system. The grand total came in at just over $1100 and I am
>quite happy with the quality and the sound reproduction. 

>Head-unit: Sony D790
>Cee-Dee-Player: Sony CD325
>Monitors: A channel- BOSE 4000 series Interaudio
>Monitors: B channel- BOSE 21 series

Wait a minute...are you sure that you got recommendations from the net
and listened to them?  I find it hard to believe that you would get many
recommendations for Sony and Bose as these seem to be the most flamed 
companies on rec.audio (especially the latter).

>they sound great. I would really like to hear from someone else who owns a
>pair and has ventured so far as to open them up and look inside theirs. I
>did,just to see what I bought, and found the insulation wrapped around the
>speaker wires. Why is this? Respond.

Are these the new cheapo-line speakers from Bose?  (The ones that they sell
at Circuit City and Price Club?)  I'm not clear on what you mean by 
"insulation wrapped around the speaker wires."  Are the speaker wires not
insulated but have discrete insulation wrapped around them?

>when buying it, one of my major concers was the oversampling rating. But, no
>where in the owners manual,on the box,or on the shelf display, did it mention
>anything about the oversampling rating. I had the salesman look it up in his
>little black book and it said right there in Black and White" 8x". It believe
>that they should do something about this.

The oversampling rating has no effect that you should be concerned about.
There are many players that have lower oversampling but sound better than
your player.  Worry about the sound, not the marketing buzzwords.


Collin Ong
(standard disclaimers apply)
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, chinman+@CMU.EDU (Chinarut Ruangchotvit) writes:
>I suppose I was a little vague...I meant that over time, after
>deleting and rerecording tracks, the disk may become severely
>fragmented which will force frequent track seeks while playing a disk.
>Wouldn't this decrease the playing time of the MD player due to the
>_battery_?

Yes, I'm sure it will.  But unlike comptuer systems, it's not real likely
that someone will re-record tracks on the same disk enough to cause
a real problem.  And with the correct free space allocation algorithm,
I would guess that fragmentation just wouldn't be a problem when recording
normal songs.

About the worse case I could think of would be to use a MD to record
voice mail messages for a large group of people.  Letting a system like
that run for a few years could really frag a disk.

But still, if you just used an algorithm that started all recordings
at the beginning of the largest free block, I wouldn't expect the
disk to get very fragmented if you kept enough avg free space around.

So, do you think the recorders will end up with a de-frag button?

Or how about a dual-deck that had a clone function that would duplicate
and a disk and de-frag it in the process.

Curt Welch
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC and the built in cassette recorder
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:48:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BvGpEy.GvD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> davidric@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david ricardo) writes:
>I am currently looking for a good cassette recorder (3head/HXpro etc.)
>but soon to be released DCC decks have me thinking I should wait
>6 months to a year. 
>

Buy a proper cassette deck, DCC is expensive and you will have to wait for
your friends to get one before you can lend them your tapes.
>I make lots of cassette tapes for my friends to trade and so forth
>so I am interested in the cassette deck built into the DCC decks.
>
>Are they cheap units, or are the do the first DCC decks have HX pro
>3 head, Dolby B/C in the cassette recorder portion?

The deck is not built in as such, the two formats share the same transport
and the analogue part is really not too hot.  It does have dolby B and C
but not three heads or HX-pro because you can't record on analogue tapes so
you will need both a DCC deck and an old analogue deck.  Also, the sound of
the DCC deck playing analogue tapes is about par with a 100 Pound sterling
deck.  From listening I have done you could spend the same money as a DCC
deck on an analogue deck and get better sound with analogue tapes than the
DCC deck can manage with DCC tapes.  Get a Nakamichi or the likes.
>
>Obviously I would use DCC for my own listening and as my friends 
>get their own DCC decks, but the cassette still has a good 5-10 years
>ahead of it at the very least. It's a nice safety valve as someone
>else mentioned and may be one the the key features which makes DCC
>successful.

But only if you want to play back but not record.
>
>Anybody know anything?

You have been misled by the media, does that count?


-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
From: quiniou@bmtlh187.BNR.CA (Henri Quiniou)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Stereo amp used in mono mode
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: quiniou@bmtlh187.BNR.CA (Henri Quiniou)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


    Does a stereo amplifier used in mono mode (if there is a switch or a
jumper provided) keeps its sound quality (sharpness and preciseness).
I've been told that sound tends to be more confused and I can't figure
out why. Consider the case of a dual mono stereo amp (two amplifiers,
each with their own power supply) in a single shelf (Bryston 2Blp). Does
any of you have an idea??

Henri Quiniou
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MD Price Info
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:02:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers) writes:

>Also  A little joke from Sony. A danser showed us how shock resistance a MD
>player is. The MD was connected to the amplifier by a wire. After swinging a
>little to hard the wire lost its contact with the MD player, but the music
>just went on??!!! :-))))))

Is this a joke "from" or "about" Sony?  Did you see this happen, was this
on purpose or an accident (embarassment) for sony?

Scott.
.
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Vinyl source
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamarack.CB.92Oct6152827
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: kytan@sybase.com's message of 2 Oct 92 03:13:50 GMT


I thank K.Y. Tan for his information about a source of LP records.  I
have two suggestions:

 - Please post the same information to rec.music.classical, which might
   be a more appropriate location.

 - Let's stop referring to LPs as "vinyl".  CDs are also vinyl.  LPs
   were called LPs from the very beginning, and that term is still the
   clearest.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
From: jarnold@spot.wrc.xerox.com (jeff arnold esc1-318)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Carver
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:40:36 GMT
Organization: Xerox


Hi,
   What do you guys think about CARVER amps (both pre and power)?
Also, has anyone out there auditioned the Acoustic Research M 
series speakers?

Thanks,

Henry
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Denon DRM 710 tape deck/Denon in general?
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:51:34 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Sep30.221041.29563@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>I have heard that Denon makes excellent tape decks. True?    
>Anyone familiar with the DRM710 in particular?
>I was surprised to see the Signal/Noise ratio listed at >75db (Dolby C).
>I have seen better specs on some other "lower quality" decks.            

    Choosing a deck by looking at the mfgr's published specs is just
    a bit less reliable than using a Ouija board.

    It's somewhat like cars.....if one claims 300 hp and the other
    claims only 225, both cars weigh the same, geared the same, yet
    the 225 hp model will beat the 300 hp model in the quarter mile
    AND in quarter mile speed, which car has more horsepower?   

    If you watch mfgr's ratings, you'll note that the more upscale
    ones tend to be rather conservative in their ratings for all
    parameters.  The rest let the marketing folks pick numbers out
    of a hat.   
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard d Pierce)
Subject: Re: Golden Ears?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:18:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.024047.21236@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> crgoc@orlando.uk.cray.com (Gary O'Connor) writes:
> IMHO Mr Pierce,
>                what do you do in the loudspeaker consulting company, if it's
> dealing with customers in any way, and loudspeaker recomendations, your company
> is up shit creek. A more arrogant reply I have rarely seen. Reply's like
> the one you've given do nothing except discourage open ended discussion.

If you have a specific objection to the comments I made, then I would
suggest you post them. In your less-than-humble statement of your humble
opinion, you succeeded in conveying little information.

In my post, I proposed at least one modification of one of the questions
that would lead to not only a better discussion of the issues, but to a
specific set of relatively unambiguous experiments that have the
capability of providing us with relatively unambiguous and useful answers.

As to your opinion of the chances of my company, I am afraid that in these
tough economic times where there are industry-wide cutbacks in technical
stafss of all varieties, that my business has done nothing but grow to
point where I am turning away as much business as I accept due to lack of
time. I am looking to add to my staff, but can find no one even remotely
competent and possessing the appropriate skills for dealing with my
clients (that is the ability to tell them, point blank, the way things
are, not to tell them what they want to hear). Needless to say, you need
not apply :-)!

If you have something to contribute to the discussion, then by all means,
do so. If all you have is more arrogant replies to what you may well
believe is an arrogant post, then I would suggest you utilize email or
post to /dev/null.


-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
From: tchen@bagpipe.reed.edu (Timothy Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Satellite Systems
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:13:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep27.171340.4983
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Sep27.154119.27818@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
kritchie@donald.cs.umn.edu (Kent C. Ritchie) writes:
>>  Or you can creat your own...  If you have money
> I would suggest a Velodyne sub and pair of (someone help me out here!)  
um...

How about a Velodyne Sub and 2 pairs of B&W Rock Solid Speakers for front  
and rear channel.(one pair costs about $275 in the west coast). I think  
this is a very nice combination.

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: znpt01@trc.amoco.com (Norman P. Tracy)
Subject: Re: DCC and the built in cassette recorder
Originator: znpt01@gpss43
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:39:01 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.160041.19113@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu) writes
> 
> 
> Why anyone would want to keep their old analog cassettes when they
> have DCC tapes is truly beyond my comprehension.
> 
> -Norman Chiu
> 
 Why anyone would want to trash their old analog cassettes and replace
 old 'albums' with DCC tapes is truly beyond my comprehension.  Isn't
 backwards compatability with CCs the best (only!?!) thing DCC has going
 for it?  
 
 -Norman Tracy  (who believes that both DCC & MD are answers to a question
    the public {NOT audiophiles & equipment junkies like us} is not asking). 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: resou@darcy.mi.uib.no (Odd Arild Urtveit)
Subject: Re: Expert care tips for tapes and CD's...
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:13:06 GMT

In article <ricker.717708157@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, ricker@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Lyerly) writes:
> 
> I have a speech to give and I need some info.
> 
> Does anybody know of any good tips they use on their
> 
> tapes or CD's... how they clean them, store them, and how 
> to basically make them last longer.
> 
> Please help.
> 
> How long do tapes  and cds last while kept in cars (direct sunlight or not)
> 
> How does sun and heat affect the tapes and cds?
> 
> How often should a tapedeck and cd player be cleaned?
> Any tips on how to.
> 
> Can CD scratches be removed?
> 
> Any other info appreciated greatly!
> 
> Ricker
> 
> P.S. Leave name and source and I might just quote you in my speech if
>      you want.
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
Read my article in rec.music.cd called "How to clean/fix/improve CDs" (Article #20631).

Odd Arild Urtveit
resou@mi.uib.no
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need Amplifier Kit
Summary: mark v
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:18:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23756
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



	i bought and built a mark v amp. it was a dc-coupled
80Wpc amp that all up cost about $115 (including everything).
it would have been less had i bought the xfmr from tanner electronics.
the amp sounds okay.

	TAA (1/92) had a review of teh TA-3600 (300W grego referred to).
they said it sounded fine but had some fairly minor quibbles. it certainly
is the most bandg for the buck in amps.

			andrew hume
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: apollo@ecf.toronto.edu (Vince Pugliese)
Subject: home theatre postings
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:57:22 GMT

which newsgroup is most appropriate for discussions regarding 
home theater systems??

thanks in advance
.vp

-- 
apollo@ecf.utoronto.ca
From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DAT Royalty - Only on blank tape?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:04:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: zug.PHILG.92Sep30150412
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: phr@telebit.com's message of 30 Sep 92 04:30:35 GMT


In article <PHR.92Sep29213035@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

   What about DAT data tapes?
   Will there be a tax on those?
   Will it be *higher* than the tax on audio tapes,
   because they'll claim you're using them to pirate software?

It is now unclear as to whether DAT "data" tapes will be subject to
the Audio Home Recording Act of 1991 tax.  However, most private
copyright attorneys think that, to be safe, a company would have to
pay tax on all digital audio format media.

The DAT/MD/DCC/etc tax will probably go up in a few years once
everyone is comfortable with the new bureaucracy and the general idea,
just as income tax went from 2% to 28% (or whatever it is now).

Philip Greenspun
MIT
From: marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC and the built in cassette recorder
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:06:46 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
In-reply-to: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 2 Oct 92 08:48:23 GMT

In article <26480@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:

   deck.  From listening I have done you could spend the same money as a DCC
   deck on an analogue deck and get better sound with analogue tapes than the
   DCC deck can manage with DCC tapes.

Are you serious???

Marc