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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:48:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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I recall that Sam Wyche set up some privacy barriers for his players. The
reports were in the locker room but had to stay behind the barriers and
were allowed to speak to players only when the players came from behind
the barriers. Sort of an interview area, I also recall that the comissioner 
wanted the barriers removed but had no authority to force Sam to remove them.
From: ez027993@chip.ucdavis.edu (Gary L. Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brave staff greatest in recent history?
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:06:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>You are being paranoid.  When people talk about "lots of innings",
>they are referring to 250 inning plus totals.  Like Gooden threw in
>'85 and '86.  Like Cone threw last year.  Like Clemens throws most
>years. 

Depends on how those innings are distributed.  From personal experience,
and from some small amount of evidence, I would postulate that innings
pitched WHEN TIRED are far more important than total innings pitched.

> Smoltz is definitely not overworked for his build, and Avery
>probably can take it. 

Build doesn't matter all that much in terms of damage to your cuff,
or in terms of developing chronic tendenitis.  Of course, guys like me
do have an advantage over skinny pitchers.  I think Smoltz is a PRIME
candidate for a serious arm injury, because his mechanics are erratic.

Some days, he's got mechanics like Rocket, and other days like Kurt
Bevacqua throwing lefty.

>Glavine might be a bit overworked, but I doubt he throws a lot of
>pitches per game.  Maddux is really the only pitcher in the rotation
>who has been pushed hard.

Maddux's mechanics, however, are impeccable.  

I think it's safe to say that the Braves' pitching staff is the best
in baseball right now.  I think it's also safe to say that at least one
of the pitchers in it will have some sort of moderate injury next year,
and perhaps miss 3 or 4 starts, and then have limited utility from then
on out.  Happens to most teams every year.

Atlanta doen't have the division locked up yet.  At the rate San Diego's
going in trades, they'll soon ship off an autographed Steve Garvey 
jersey to the Reds for Barry Larkin.  Bones for Sheffield?  Melendez
for Plantier?

I think I've figured out what Lou Gorman's been smoking, and I'm pretty
sure it's an import of some sort, perhaps from Mendocino County.

"We wanted to acquire a real veteran like Andre Dawson." - L. Gorman,
when discussing why the Sox didn't make a serious run at McGwire.

"DUHHHHH" - Lou Gorman, while playing with the Busy Box in his office.


-- 
*    Gary Huckabay     * "Hi, Joel, it's Kathy."  "Hi, Kath."  "I think you 
*  "Official keeper    *  better come over.  Gary's not well.  He's chewing 
*  of the r.s.b. ammo  *  on the carpet, his eyes are red, and he's sobbing 
*   and weapons hoard."*  uncontrollably." "The A's signed Storm.  He'll live."
From: fls@acpub.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Old-fashioned hitters (was Best Playes (sic) of All Times)
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:45:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	When comparing the best hitters of today with the best hitters
of yesteryear, there seems to be some idea that, although cumulative
batting averages of an earlier era were higher than those of today, the
actual talent level of today is higher.  Like, maybe pitchers are
better, so it's generally harder to hit.
	Did anybody ever consider that maybe the hitters from the '30s,
or the 'Teens, were just better hitters than today's players?
	I suggest that today's baseball players cannot hit like their
predecessors because of a change in the way kids grow up.  Kids don't
play baseball day in and day out like they used to.  The best baseball
players growing up now play organized baseball from the time they are
five years old.  They go to practice once or twice a week and play games
once or twice a week until they get to high school.
	What are they doing the rest of the time?  Probably playing
basketball.  You don't need organization, you don't need a bunch of
neighborhood kids, if you want to go out in the driveway to shoot some
hoops.  You can do it all by yourself.  But if you're a kid in America
today, you're not going to be able to find enough people to go out and
play baseball every day, even if you want to, and even if you have
someplace to play.

fls@keynse.econ.duke.edu
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Old-fashioned hitters (was Best Playes (sic) of All Times)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:50:44 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <mcmath-221292125553@mcmathmac.nlm.nih.gov>  
mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Totally Hair McMath) writes:
> 	In that vein, there was an analysis of sorts I heard on the  
radio (NPR?) a
> week or two ago.  The speaker took the same tack as just above.  He
> mentioned that the league batting average is much the same today as  
it was
> in the 20s and 30s, so the overall talent in the league hasn't  
changed, 

Several people have now said that the total batting average today
is much the same as it was in the 1920s and 1930s. Is this true?
It seems to me that a couple of days ago some folks were saying
that "Yeah, Pie Traynor hit .320 (or whatever) but the whole league
at that time hit .302 (or whatever)."  Which is correct?  (I keep
all my reference books at home, so I have no way to check it
now.)

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:27:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

Baseball Birthdays

January 1
Hank Greenberg, 1911 (HOF)
Smiling Tim Keefe, 1857 (HOF)
Earl "The Earl of Snohomish" Torgeson, 1924
Ethan Allen, 1904
LaMarr Hoyt, 1955
Sherry Robertson, 1919
Lynn Jones, 1953
Bob "Gary's Cousin" Owchinko, 1955
Carl Scheib, 1927
Hack Miller, 1894
Foster Castleman, 1931

January 2
Art "Pinky" Whitney, 1905
Red Kress, 1907
Jim Essian, 1951
Greg Swindell, 1965
David Cone, 1963
Edgar Martinez, 1963

January 3
Stan "Frenchy" Bordagaray, 1912
Jim Dwyer, 1950
Gus Suhr, 1906
Cliff "Mountain Music" Melton, 1912
Sid Charles Hudson, 1915
Gary Lavelle, 1949
Darren Daulton, 1962
Virgil Stallcup, 1922
Luis Rivera, 1964
Bill Cissell, 1904
Buzz Arlett, 1899

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "The tall people want what the 
 Steve Smith                      *  short people got."
 University of Washington HR-20   *    --D. Wiggin-"Philosophy of the World"	 
 Seattle, WA 98195                * 
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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: LaValliere's comments about Pirates
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:00:05 GMT

The story of Mike LaValliere's unhappiness with the Pirates moves is in
this week's "Baseball, Weakly."  He called the Bucs a "farm team" and had 
several other comments about the exodus of nine players off their playoff 
roster within a three week span.

Being outspoken as he is, it is a surprise he hasn't been moved yet.  What 
happened to the proposed trade between Pittsburgh and the Giants for
Willie McGee?  Was Willie's salary too much for the Bucs?

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From: nelson@sentinel.enet.dec.com (Nelson Orengo - Tampa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: EXPOS :TEAM TO BEAT IN THE EAST
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:37:22 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@gatr2.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Tampa FL


>>Being from Montreal and of course a diehard Expos fan it is very
>>hard for me to understand why the Expos don't get the recognition
>>that they so obviously deserve. Look, when was the the last time you
>>saw an Expo on the the cover of Sports Illustrated.

>Stick around, Jonathon.  I know a lot of stat-drunk comp nerds (myself
>included) who think the Expos are the class of major league baseball for
>the foreseeable future.  I couldn't believe it when I heard that they'd
>acquired Tim Spehr somehow (how did that happen?).  That gives them a 
>starting in-the-field lineup of 

>	C	Spehr
>	1B	sign a free agent
>	2B	DeSheilds
>	SS	Cordero
>	3B	Stairs?
>	LF	Alou
>	CF	Grissom
>	RF	Walker

>...which is enough offense to crush any resistance.

  Enough offense??? With so many questionable position players?? Unproven
  players at key positions: 3B, SS, C; no capable 1B; no HR power (Walker
  has some power, but is no slugger); Alou could have a case of the 
  sophomore jinx. This team will need to manufacture runs the hard way, to
  counter the lack of HR production. DeShields and Grissom will score some
  runs, but a team with so little power needs more than those two to hope
  for the top honors. Opposing pitchers will be able to concentrate on
  Grissom, DeShields, and Walker, and so put a lot of pressure on rookies
  and unproven players to do the job. I think the EXPOS will have a winning
  season, but no glory.

>>The Expos are deffinetly the team to beat in '93. 

>No argument here...

--

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Nelson Orengo			| "Puerto Rico, Rum and coke, Salsa, the beach..."
Digital Equipment Corporation	| 
Tampa, Fl			|
(813) 286-6747			| nelson@gatr2.enet.dec.com
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: My picks, AL/NL East
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:45:25 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:

>NL East


>3) Florida - OK, OK, this is the only prediction that's based more on 
>sentimentality.  They're my new favorite team, since the Giants are owned by 
>morons, and I like Dave Dombrowski as a GM.  I don't like Lachemann as a 
>manager, but they're allowed that faux pas.  Nigel Wilson will start in left field,
> hit 240 with 25 homers.  Orestes Destrade will pop 270 with 20 homers.  Dave 
>Magadan will post a 380 on base percentage at third, and Jeff Conine will hit 300 
>with 15 homers in right, all of these in a pitcher's park.  Bret Barberie wil improve 
>in offense, offsetting Walt Weiss, and hopefully they won't play Chuck Carr in 
>center.  Benito will be behind the plate, with pop off the bench from Steve 
>Decker.  The pitching staff?  Hough will wind up with his fourth "second-wind" 
>and have an era of about 3.8 in the park, and Jose Martinez will make Mets fans 
>scream at Al Harazin.  And Bryan Harvey, if he's not traded to the Braves (Ron 
>Gant and Mark Wohlers??  Please, Dave, get them!!!), will close some games 
>nicely.

Where's the smiley face?  You can't be serious!   60 homers 
from Wilson, Destrade, and Conine ... on which planet?  It will need to 
be one with lower gravity resistance than Earth.   If Joe Robbie stadium 
were on the moon, OK.  

You're asking for astounding career years from everybody.  And who
says Joe Robbie is a pitcher's park?  Let's play some games there
first before we conclude this.  The Marlins hope it will be a pitchers
park, because their pitching will be atrocious.  You'll find out
what it's like to pin your hopes on Charlie Hough.   There is no
way the Marlins can win with that pitching.  Even with guys like
Santiago and Weiss, they will be lucky to get 65 wins.


-- 

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Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: blue jays-eichhorn??
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.4235.52870@dosgate> "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com> writes:
>My real question is Mark Eichorn's status. The papers here are quiet,
>I don't know what's going on. I thought the club had an option, but if
>so they didn't exercise it. In one report he was listed as being
>offered arbitration at one point, but no mention, however, as to
>whether he accepted it. What is his status?

The Jays bought out Eichhorn's contract and offered him arbitration.
He refused.  The Jays are currently negotiating with him; if they can't
sign him by January 8th, they will not be able to sign him until May.
(He can, of course, also sign with any other team, since he is a free agent.)

>Now, however, with Henke history the Jays need a set-up guy. They are
>talking Timlin, which simply doesn't fit, from what I've seen of him.
>They seem to be totally ignoring Ike and are now reported to be going
>after Oakland's Jeff Parrett, the papers claim. According to the Elias
>ratings in BB Weakly, Eichorn is a class A free agent, #12 in the
>league, while Parrett is class B, #44 (for what that's worth). What
>gives??? Is Eichorn's salary to high? Is he somehow damaged? Anybody
>got a better read on this one? . . . . Mike

The *Star* reported that the Jays want to spend at most $1 million on
a middle reliever.  This may keep Eichhorn out of the picture.

Timlin has recovered from his injuries, which is why he is now the #2
man in the pen.  Cito seems high on him; as you know, Cito used
Timlin in the World Series in what used to be Eichhorn's role.

--Dave "throws a fastball 35 MPH slower than Huckabay's" Till
"Baldrick, I want you to take this and go out and buy a turkey so
large you'd think its mother had been rogered by an omnibus."
-- from the Black Adder Christmas special
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Oiling a glove over winter ?
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing CenterCenter
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:48:06 GMT

Alright, since we've all been blathering in fine Hot Stove League style
(and LOVING it) for a while, I thought I would ask an actual sport-related
question...

I have a nice Rawlings RMG Fernando Valenzuela (undoubtedly the last of its
breed) deep-pocket glove which I got about three years ago. This was my
first new glove in 12 years, the old one finally having dropped to pieces
(not being up to the transition - sniff - from baseball to softball - but
it did take me from junior high through college), and I was really
surprised at how good the "natural" break-in was on the glove. While I did
oil it up when I first got it and spent a good deal of time breaking it in
to my hand the first year out, it was playable from the first day. It now
has that agreeable patina of sweat, oil, and dirt laid into the pocket.

My question is this: I was brought up with the idea that you had to oil a
glove every winter in order to keep it supple. I did that the first two
winters I had the glove. But is this really necessary these days? If so,
what's an approved modern technique? I'm again using folkloric methods
passed to me from my dad of soaking most of the glove with oil (using a rag
to apply it), sticking a ball in the pocket, wrapping it tight with string,
and leaving it in a dry, coolish place until late February. If there's a
way more appropriate to these new-fangled gloves, I'd appreciate hearing
about it.

Oh, one more thing: I play mostly softball now (although I'd love to find
an amateur league in the Philly area if anybody knows of a good one that
accepts all skill levels), so I'm asking myself whether I shouldn't stick a
softball in the pocket over winter instead of a baseball.

thanks

- matt

wall@cc.swarthmore.edu
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From: jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: JAck-PAC and ACPAC
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:34:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.195137.25505@math.toronto.edu>, joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:
> In article <1992Dec20.001044.13964@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> 
>>Other possibilities that I see include:
>>
>>Jim Acker (just to see if you're reading)
> 
> Forgive me if I missed the post, but who won the 1992 Jim Acker Pitch-Alike
> Contest?

	The 1992 JAckPAC was won by Cleveland Ace, Dennis Cook. In his
honour, we have renamed the contest, AC-PAC, "The Acker-Cook
Pitch-Alike Contest" for the 1993 season.

	The netster who won the shirt for the 1992 JAckPAC was John
Rickert, who selected Bill Gullickson.

	The 1993 call for predictions in the AC-PAC will not be posted
until late February or early March, 1993. Those who are interested,
may want to consider how close Scott Aldred came to winning it all
last year while pitching in Detroit. He will now be pitching in
Denver, which should help his HR totals, but he'll also be in the NL
which will depress his HR totals (facing pitchers some of the time at
the plate), so be careful.

-- 
  Regards,

  John Palmer    London, Ontario       Voice: (519) 661-3533     FAX: 661-3666
  reply to jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca       The Economics Institute for Journalists
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Cordero
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.052138.9586@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:


<usual self-righteous blather deleted>

>I am really getting tired of your nonsense.

Likewise, I'm sure.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Offense, Defense, and the Transmutation of Egalitarian Society
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:46:03 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec22.152519.5053@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>  
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
> 
> Again, the object is not to see just how many points you can score  
- it is
> to score more than the other team.  And in this sense defense makes  
just
> as big a contribution to winning as offense.
> 
> a pleasure, as always,
> 

If you also include pitching as part of defense (which, in the
broad sense, it is), true. Most people, however, split
the defensive (in the broad sense) part of the game into two
parts: pitching and defense.  On the major league level, pitching
is by far the more important of the two.  (I stress major league
level because on that level you aren't going to get a team full
of really BAD fielders, which could make defense have a much
bigger impact.)

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Sierra with A's: 5 yrs/$30MM
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:02:03 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Subject line says it all.  Which makes the Canseco trade look even
stranger then -- I thought it was a stroke of brilliance to put all the
eggs in one basket and then have sixteen free agents worth of draft picks
to build for the next dynasty, while they unloaded Canseco's salary for
the next few dry years when the A's wouldn't be competitive.  Instead,
they sign Sierra, who's a healthier specimen than Jose, but not quite the
same caliber of hitter, for more money than it would've cost to keep Canseco.
Very strange.

Man "E" Lee and Doug "If I just stand here for two innings I can run up my
errorless games streak even longer" Dascenzo have signed with the Texas 
Rangers, speaking of Canseco.

Daryl Boston signed with the Colorado Rockies, making him the favorite to
become team MVP.

I still can't believe the Red Sox protected Burks over Wedge just so they
could release him.  Feh.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:06:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.193739.29847@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The Expos probably gain a year in the amount of time they can keep
>the current team together by this move.
>
>The big decision now will come with Martinez...I'm not sure they
>can afford a contract extension for him, so next season may be
>Martinez's last with the Expos, and after that some younger
>arms are going to have to emerge.

I don't think the situation is similar.  Wallach is a liability.  Martinez is
not (yet) a liability, so in a year where they'll definitely contend, why
trade him?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Re: Can you go home again? (wasRe: ward to atlant
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:28:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

|> In article <19DEC199215593568@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:
|> >>Dateline Wed, 16/Dec92 03:39.
|> >> 
|> >>How many players have started their careers with a team, been traded, then later in their career traded back?
|> >> 
|> 
How about recent Reds signee Darnell Coles.  He started his career in Seattle,  they traded him, he was
traded a few more times and then the Mariners reacquired him.  To top it off they traded him once again
two years ago.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ts@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Ruschak)
Subject: Kelly Mann?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:54:13 GMT

	What ever happened to Kelly Mann? He was traded from the Cubs to the
Braves a couple of years ago to be the Braves' 'catcher of the future'. However,
I can't find him in Stat's minor league book... (Unless I just missed him..)

	Anyone know?

Tom