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From:         "(Allen Gwinn)" <allen@XOC.COX.SMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM on AT&T Starlan UN
              "ARNOLD%MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM@vm.cis.smu.edu" at Oct 6,
              92 4:50 pm

I don't see any reason to pursue this.  I don't know of anywhere that
wants to keep Starlan around :-)    Not when we have great alternatives
like BWNFS running around.  I think that Media Services should jump on
board with the rest of us.  Don't you agree?


> FYI...Allen, you might want to comment on this information when next we
> meet...cak
>
> P>S>  Please send me a list of 60 minute times when it would be convenient
> to schedule a regular meeting of the group...e.g. Monday 9 a.m., Tuesday 2
 p.m.
> etc...and e-mail back to me...I need to find a slot of time for each subgroup
> as well as the full CD-ROM Networking Task Force.  Carolyn
> et
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> You may have seen this, but not that your chair this committee on
> CD rom networking....travis
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> this might be of interest as it is a way to link cdroms to starlan - Bob M
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> To: CDROMLAN POSTINGS
>
> >         Does anyone have experience adding a DOS-based CD-ROM
> >database to an AT&T Starlan server running UNIX.  This seems          as
> though it >should be simple and yet I haven't been able to          find
> anyone doing it.  It seems >that AT&T had a CD-ROM drive          ready to
> ship before they bought out NCR >and then the product          was
> scrapped.  Now it seems they won't release UNIX >drivers          that
> would allow mounting of the drive as a UNIX file system          which
> >could then be shared across the Starlan.
>
> We at Micro Design have a product called SCSI Express which is available
> for AT&T UNIX.  The software allows you to mount a CD-ROM under UNIX and
> have it appear as a standard UNIX filesystem.  Then through Starlan, DOS
> users can access the CD-ROM.  If you would like more information you can
> contact our sales department at 407-677-8333.
>
> - Arnold Jones
> arnold@microdes.mhs.compuserve.com
> Micro Design International, Inc.
>
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Subject:      Re: Anybody have any used CDs to spare?

Be very careful in regards to licensing.  Some companies request that you send
your discs back, others tell you to destroy them, still others let you keep
them and use them (Wilson, for one).  Very few companies are going to let you
pass old discs between entities (i.e., one school to another), many may not
let you transfer old discs within departments.  You will want to check to
remain within your license agreement.

One other caveat:  Some disc upgrades require new software as well.  If you
try to use an old disc for search practice, be sure to find out if it requires
a special version of the search software and then be sure you have that
version.

Good luck!

Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for Networking and
Microcomputer Resources
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P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:01:00 CDT
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From:         "Kathy Fronce" <KJFRONCE@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Position Announcement

This is being cross-posted in multiple listings, please excuse
duplication.


                      NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR
                      POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT


Network Administrator.  KSU Libraries seeks a network administrator
to provide microcomputer support and implement LAN-, CD ROM-, and
Unix-related projects involving both microcomputer and mainframe
environments.  Required:  BS, computer science, or closely related
major; in-depth experience with microcomputers and MS-DOS;
experience with CD-ROM and ethernet-TCP/IP; and interpersonal
skills.  Preferred:  experience with NOTIS (or other integrated
library system), Unix system and utilities, PC/Unix/mainframe
inter-networking.  This is a regular position appointment.  Salary:
mid-twenties.  Review of applications begins October 20, 1992.
Culturally diverse applicants encouraged.  To apply, send
application letter, resume, 3 work-related reference names with
addresses and telephone numbers to:  M. Jean McDonald, Farrell
Library, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506.

Kansas State University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action
Employer.  Women and minorities are encouraged to apply.
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From:         James Jay Morgan <MORGANJ@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anybody have any used CDs to spare?

Search software use is usually restricted by licence rather than copyright.
Policies and licences vary from company to company, but the better quality,
more expensive software is usually better protected by licence agreements.
Jim Morgan
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        Hello,

        Sorry, I'm not here to answer your mail at this time.
        I am out of the office and wil be back July 6, 1992.

        Please note, you will receive this message only one time.

        Lori Oling
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:59:03 EDT
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From:         Steven Kirby <kirby@ATHENA.CS.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Setting up a small CD-ROM network

Sorry for posting this to the list.  This is in response to the fellow down
at Florida State who asked about setting up a small CD LAN.  Tried responding
direct, but the mail bounced back.

Apologies too if this seems a little disjointed.  I'm trying to type and watch
the Illinois-Ohio State game at the same time.  My Illini are driving for a
score.

Tom, I think you could indeed set up a basic CD network for under $5000,
excluding licensing costs.  Peer-to-peer solutions such as LANtastic or
Netware Lite will run you about $100 per station.  My guess is that ethernet
boards will run you about $125-$150 each.  I'm partial to thin wire ethernet
cable (RG-58), which will cost about 40 cents per foot from the local Radio
Shack or even less from another source.  BNC connectors ought to run about
$3 a pop; make sure you get them from the same place you get your cable.  If
I were in your situation, I'd also think hard about getting a 386/33 or 386/40
machine for a server.  Make sure you get at least 4 megs of RAM and a 100 meg
fixed disc.  That way, when you outgrow your server, it will be at least a
functional workstation on your new network.  I wouldn't spend more than a couple
of grand for it, though.  And if you've got the bucks, you won't regret buying
a 486DX.

Now, assuming your CD drives are SCSI devices, you're about set.  Just daisy
chain the drives together and you ought to be set.  Your major obstacle may
be licensing the databases for a network.  MLA, for example, costs us about
$2200 for a network license.  If you've got to pay licensing costs and buy
hardware out of the same $5000, I doubt you can do much more than network a
single database.

This will get you a *very* basic (I can't stress the word BASIC enough) CD-ROM
network.  It will have some definite limits and you need to make sure that all
the appropriate people know that going in.  Feel free to drop me a note if you
have questions or encounter problems.

--Steve

Steven Kirby
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:31:13 CDT
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From:         Jim Aagaard <AAGAARD@NUACVM.BITNET>
Subject:      UPS for CD-ROMs?

Since CD-ROMs can't be updated, logic would seem to indicate that only
the file server (using SCSI Express) needs to be protected by a UPS.
But does anyone know whether the server might hang up or refuse to
close its own files when the attached CD-ROM drives have lost power?

                          Jim Aagaard
                          Northwestern University Library
                          aagaard@nwu.edu
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From: asimard@emr1.emr.ca (Andre Simard)
Subject: SCSI EXPRESS and MSCDEX Extensions?
Organization: MPS, Energy Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:22:49 GMT

Hello everyone.

Is it possible to put SCSI EXPRESS on a Netware 3.11 server and get OXFORD 
and LE PETIT ROBERT running?  They each DEMAND that MSCDEX be loaded.

We have no problems at all with Computer Select and Termium (they don't need 
MSCDEX to run).

If there is no way around it, anyone knows where I can get a cdrom extension 
driver that works with SCSI EXPRESS?

Thanks

-- 
Andre Simard
asimard@emr1.emr.ca
----------------------------
From: CMCNEIL@UMASSD.EDU (Char!ie)
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Subject: Re: Cdroms on a campus network
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:17:00 GMT
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Subject:      Re: Cdroms on a campus network

>1. what is the largest cdrom network you have installed, in terms of
>   number of users accessing the material? What licensing or cost
>   problems have you encountered?
>

Can't speak for everyone, but I have 42 drive network with 32 workstations
dedicated to the system but over 200 workstations with the option to
connect directly or many on campus who can access the server remotely.

Our licensing is not a problem because we restrict simultaneous usage to
our license agreement using Saber Menu Systems Meter Module.  The only
license issue we've had to face was with LEXIS.  According to the license
LEXIS can be used only by academicians, not lawyers.  We've added a front
end screen that must be read by the user before loading the program that
says the program can only be used by academicians.  We have also restricted
LEXIS access to the 32 directly connedted workstations.

The cost of our "turn key" CD server was about $80,000.  Each workstations
cost about $1500.  The cost of the databases is less expensive than
subscribing to INFOTrak or renting proprietary databases w/hardware.

------------------------------
Cheryl M. Claiborne                            912-681-5269
Learning Resources Center                      solrccc@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
Georgia Southern University
Statesboro, GA  30460-8074
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:19:26 -0500
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From:         FB23@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Subject:      Re: cdnet thru brouters

RE: QUESTION ON USING CDNET ON MULTIPLE NETWORK SEGMENTS OVER BROUTERS

David:

Your question is very interesting since we had a similar situation occur, only
with our CD-Connection system.  The problem was exactly as you describe.
Workstations on our local segment would see the CD-Servers, but people out
on the campus network would not.

In tracking the thing down, we used a "Sniffer" to see what address the
CD-Server was broadcasting.  We found that it was giving a net address of '0'.
The CISCO routers that we were using, would apparently then not append the
proper network address when packets were sent out on the campus net.

The problem was traced to a version of the CISCO BIOS used in the brouters.
Once we replaced the BIOS, the problem went away.

By the way, one other thing helped us to track the problem down: We found that
when we attached a Novell Router and went through our broadband, the
CD-Servers could be seen on the campus network.  When we took that off and
went strictly through the CISCOs, they would disappear.

Hope the info helps.

Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for Networking
and Microcomputer Resources
University of N. Texas--Libraries
P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

Ph. 817/565-3278
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:26:03 EST
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From:         Frank Pearsall 855-8179 <PEARSALL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: SCSI CARD SOURCES

Vivian Lim of the Nat'l Univ. of Singapore writes:

>I would like to purchase an additional CBIS SCSI card to add drives to
>an existing CBIS CD-Server. [paraphrased]

The SCSI card can be purchased directly from CBIS, or directly from the
manufacturer of the card.  Here are the addresses and numbers.
-------------------------------------------------------------
	CBIS Inc.
	5875 Peachtree Industrial Blvd,
	Building 100/ Unit 170
	Norcross, GA 30092

	Phone:	(404)446-1332
	FAX:	(404)446-9164
-------------------------------------------------------------
	Advanced Storage Concepts  (ASC)
	9020 N. Capital of Texas Hwy.
	Building II, Suite 420
	Austin, TX 78759

	Phone:	(512) 338-4745
	fax:	(512) 345-1328
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+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
| Frank Pearsall                 Internet: Pearsall@ucs.indiana.edu |
| Computer Support Supervisor      Bitnet: Pearsall@iubacs          |
| Indiana University Libraries      Voice: (812) 855-8179           |
| Bloomington, Indiana USA            FAX: (812) 855-2576           |
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From:         FB23@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Subject:      Re: UPS for CD-ROMs?

You're better off for many reasons to just go ahead and add an UPS.  For
example, on our campus, there are many times when power goes off in the
Main Library (where the CD-Servers are located) but users across campus
are still logged in and happily using the system.  Also, the price of
good quality UPS has fallen considerably over the past year.  Anything
that protects against a possible system "hiccup" at such a low price is
worth considering in terms of system stability and peace of mind.

I have a CBIS system (separate CD-ROM servers).  We normally protect these
servers with an UPS even though the systems will reboot if they are knocked
out.  The reasons are system stability and the desire to protect the machines
from quick, momentary outages that could cause system damage.

Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for
Networking and Microcomputer Resources
University of N. Texas--Libraries
P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:56:08 LCL
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From:         Steven Ploof <Steve.Ploof@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Texel's double-speed CD-ROM drives

Folks,

 Has anyone tried Texel's new double speed CD-ROM drives (DM-3024 or DM
5024)?  I would like some information on how the drives are working in real
life situations, prior to purchasing one.

They are discussed briefly in the Sept. 28th PC WEEK.

Thanks

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steven Ploof     	       	       	       	   University of Texas
Computer Programmer/Services Assistant  	   PO Box P, PCL 1.102
                                        	   Austin, Tx  78713

Internet: Steve.Ploof@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu   Voice (512) 495-4107
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From:         "D.E. 'Dave' Bloomberg" <BLOOMBER@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Infotrack, SPIRS and Wilson on LAN (Long ??)

    Hi LANners,

    Using Novell 3.11 and CBIS 2.20C....

    We had some trouble getting Infotrac's General Business File to
    work on our net, but after talking with EDWIN VILLAMONTE at IAC
    (no dis-respect to others at IAC, but Edwin seems to be the MAN),
    we figured out our problem to be connected with the correct
    start-up sequence.....

    Whenever you change/update an IAC disc, you need to run the
    command:     ITBOOT CHECKIAC    in order for the system software
    to sense the "new" disc.  Then we start the product with the
    command:  ITBOOT IT7  This would need to be slightly modified to
    run their "EF" software.  Also on a CDROM-LAN, you need to
    establish a uniques TEMP directory for each user/station !!
    taken from our batch file:

      \APPS\CBIS\XCDREDIR %STATION%
      \APPS\CBIS\CDUSE D \\CDSERVER1\F /O
      SET TEMP=\DATA\STUDENT\%STATION%
      ITBOOT CHECKIAC
      ITBOOT IT7

    Also, We had a problem not being able to exit-to-DOS which was
    associated with the CONFIG program.  They have:
        CONFIG
        CONFIG DELUXE
        CONFIG SUPER

   The CONFIG DELUXE has the Exit-to-DOS option that CONFIG doesn't
   have.

   Once we worked thru the couple problems with EDWIN VILLAMONTE, it
   has been superb!!  Our users seem to like Infotrac, maybe because
   of association with it in high-school.  It is definitely one of
   our most busy products.

   We are using the INTEL LANShell Menu program.  I initially thought
   this was in the Doggie-doo category, but have come to like it very
   much.  It has some features that only become apparent under the
   strain of use...like hitting CNTRL-Break doesn't allow the user to
   get to DOS, the menu-shell re-engages !!  We start all of our
   programs from batch files, and have the menu just call the
   particular batch file.  It also has metering ability.

SPIRS and Wilson may have installed a little easier, but now they all
run fine.  In fact WILSON, was cranky because it has to run in a
sub-directory off of the ROOT, not "buried" (\WILSONPC  not
\APPS\WILSONPC).

Any questions can be sent directly to me.  Hope this helps....

Dave Bloomberg
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From:         Steven Kirby <kirby@ATHENA.CS.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Infotrack, SPIRS and Wilson on the same LAN
              "ACADMARG%STMARYTX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Oct 15, 92 10:14 pm

This is in response to Margaret Sylvia's correct observation that there is
a lot of overlap between Wilson products and IAC's Academic Index.  We
loaded the Expanded Academic Index tapes into our OPAC about a year ago.
About 95 percent of the titles from the Humanities Index and Social Science
Index were included in EAI.  Down side is, we only go back 3 years with
EAI, while the Wilson CDs go back to about 1983/1984.  Overlap with other
Wilson products was not as large:  I think only about 45 percent of the stuff
in Reader's Guide was included in EAI, about 10 percent of the titles from
	Education Index, and next to nothing from Business Periodicals Index (which
IAC sells as a separate product called the Business Index) and the Art
Index.  I can get the exact figures in the morining if anybody feels a
special need for them.  Just drop me a note direct.

--Steve

Steven Kirby
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu
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