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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Ticket pricing
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:00:36 GMT


In article <9226921.7437@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:
|> every paying customer went to Austcare, so that cuts it down to $950. 
|> After costs to the band sound, lights, transport and support not much would be
|> left for the band. Now for my questions

Add advertising to the cuts (street posters, radio, press)

|> 	-Are there any kickbacks to the band for playing the venue?

The mythical rider, as Andrew said before.  Don't think the Clouds would have
one yet....

|> 	-Do the band get a cut of the bar?
|> 	-Would this tour be so cheap so as to promote the band and new single?

The golden rule of the live music scene is "_Everything_ is negotiable"

The deal which the band gets is a combination of their pulling power (popularity)
and their manager's/booking agent's tenacity.

It's common with gigs similar to the Clouds for the band to take all/most of
the door with the venue taking the remainder.  The headline band pay the supports
- usually a guarantee typically of anything from $50-$300 (ie they play for the
exposure)

|> 	Another reason I ask is a long article I read recently about
|> kickbacks in the U.S. ticket scene, where most venues make all of their money 
|> from kickbacks from ticket sellers. The venues usually lose money on the band, 
|> who demand a set fee for playing the venue.

Some artists demand/get mythical guarantees (set fees) from venues.  One such
example is Paul Kelly's $20K guarantee at Hobart uni for a solo show.  Rider?
Who _needs_ one with a guarantee that l;arge!  Rollins recently received a 9K
guarantee as a contrast.

Jamie - what's Kylie's guarantee? :-)

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Flea... (was: Severe gripes)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:50:50 GMT

You missed listing Flea's filmography. Off the top of my head, he was in:

Dudes (directed by Penelope "Wayne's World" Spheeris)
Back to the Future III (Played a punk called Needles)
My Own Private Idaho (one of the gang...)

Quite a multi-talented character (although he's type-cast in these three).
Any others anyone knows of?

Mark.
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From: adrian.mathew@f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Adrian Mathew)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: THE HISTORY OF ALBERTS
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:31:43 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Hi', to readers of AUS MUSIC.  How are you?  Can anybody out there fill me
in on the history of the ALBERTS recording studio and label in SYDNEY?  I
know  they  are famous for such bands as THE EASY BEATS and ACDC, but also
other people have recorded there as well.  When did this company begin, and
what are they up to today?  I am aware that they are linked with EMI and
that HARRY  VANDER and GEORGE YOUNG have some involvement with them.  What
has been their most recent product?  When I was in SYDNEY last year I wanted
very badly to visit the studios but was told that recording was in progress
there.  I am interested in this to because the ABC programme "THE COULD'VE
BEEN CHAMPIONS" had inquiries about it.  Bye For Now, ADRIAN MATHEW.      

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Re: Imported music. A thing of the past?
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 12:32:45 GMT

c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
>Rumour has it that in a pathetic attempt to save the local music industry,
>legislation will be passed guaranteeing that no recordings will be imported
>into Australia.  Just great.  Does this mean that those of us into the
>alternative and experimental music from overseas will be faced with musical
>starvation?  What about Australian bands that we can only get on import due to
>the general gutlessness of the Australian Music Industry?

There is an easy solution to this problem.  If the legislation is passed,
leave the country.  I certainly will.

-- 
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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: well fuck you baby...
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:58:02 GMT

In <1992Oct2.063533.10713@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>If you are not interested, then read something else.  You might
>have noticed there is a key on your keyboard, sitting between
>the 'b' and the 'm'.  It is the 'n' key, and for people using
>"rn", it skips to the next article.  May I suggest you 
>use this key in future?  That way, *YOU* won't be boring
>all us readers to death with your drivel about my charts. Ok?

Howdy Jamie -

		pressing 'n' is what I normally do, but since there's a
    flame war going on anyway, why *do* you post the charts? It's always
    seemed pretty pointless to me - not that I'm trying to stop you or
    anything...




							Steve
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From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Sales != Chart Success (was Re: well fuck you baby...)
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:35:28 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Monash University
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au

In article <9227715.15373@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew Disseldorp) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>	Finally, If sales is the only indicator of chart success, why does
>the ARIA end of year chart for 1991 have singles which have gone gold
>above singles which have gone platinum? Why are singles with have not gone
>gold above singles which have gone gold? 

This inconsistancy you speak of also bothered me.  After all, you
would think the end of year ARIA chart would be based on sales
alone, not something else.  Anyway, I wrote to ARIA a couple of
years ago, since the same thing happened in 1990 (at the end
of the year) also, and here is the relevant stuff extracted from
the reply I got (word for word, in capitals):

"...RECORD COMPANIES SUPPLY US WITH ACCREDITATIONS FOR SINGLES OR
ALBUMS, SO WE CAN DISPLAY THIS ON THE CHART..."

i.e. whether the record has gone gold, platinum, etc.

"...SOMETIMES THEY FAIL TO DO THIS, SO THAT SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY
PLATINUM MAY NOT SHOW THIS, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS.  ESPECIALLY AT THE END
OF THE YEAR, THE RECORD COMPANIES ARE EXTREMEMLY BUSY SO THEY NEGLECT
TO INFORM US OF SALES..."

At the end of the year in 1990, LAMBADA, by Kaoma, was stated as
going gold on the end of year charts, and was at #24 on that chart.
Yet, SHOW NO MERCY, from Mark Williams, was stated as going PLATINUM,
and was ranked below Kaoma at #25.  The reply from ARIA stated that
LAMBADA _really_ did go PLATINUM, even though it showed only gold
on the chart.

So, therefore the end of year ARIA chart is based on sales only.

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: MAILINGLIST: Queensryche ("Screaming in Digital")
Summary: It's a digest, really...
Keywords: For fans just joining the net...
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest


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If you need more information on the digest, or want to ask me anything else
[if you ask me questions about Queensryche, I'll just tell you to subscribe
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Carol the Punter
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:28:57 GMT

raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael) writes:
>Carol...
>>My band Unseen is supporting the Godbotherers at the Sando tommorrow
>>(wednesday) night, 8:30 start.  And on friday October 16 we're supprting
>>Peg at the Hopetoun. I'll be the girl with the violin, so come up and
>>say hello :-)
>
>OK, I'll see what I can do.  I don't know why you didn't say hello on
>Saturday at the Bughouse gig, though.  I'm easy to find at those.  :-)
>
>Now, keep those suggestions coming.  This is a prime opportunity to get
>Andrew TBP to listen to an obscure band that you like.  Our operators
>are standing by. Call now!

Might get an Andrew TLHP (LH = long haired) may form a backup Andrew on
the Friday, I'll only be down the road. Wednesday doesn't look certain
as you're (Carol) on in 3 and a half minutes and I'm at North Ryde
(Andrew's idle time on his xterm is 3 minutes so I don't think he's on
the cards for the Sando either.)

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Live with Margo
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:02:09 GMT


Hi, all

Last week I bought the most delicious EP.  A live recording of the Cowboy
Junkies performing earlier this year.  Forget about those bloated Elton
John, Sting, or Pink Floyd live albums.  This one contains not a boring
moment.  Yes, it is only four songs (two from `Black-Eyed Man', a Gram
Parsons cover, and a truly amazing version of `Sweet Jane'), but this is
like nouveau cuisine, it just leaves you hungering for more.

What I would like to know, can I get my hands on any other Junkies live
recordings.  I know they don't always release their stuff here (I paid
megabucks for `Whites Off Earth Now' on import).  Any Canadian readers know
if I'm missing out?


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Re: Debate Time!
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:08:04 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.171345.15193@tpl68k0.tplrd.tpl.oz.au> Mark Bower
writes:

> So, net music lovers, who do you thing is worse:

> 		Phil Collins/Genesis

> 		or

> 		ELO

For my money, PC is by far the worse because he doesn't want to go away.
Like the other PC, he is a living dinosaur that fouls up our airwaves.  At
least ELO have the grace to remain in the bargain bins where they belong.

    				   BUT

I think we should get away from this revivalist trend that lies upon our
generation like the dead hand of commercial FM.  There are truly appalling
`artistes' in our time that we can bag.  How about Rick Price, or Michael
`Cry Baby' Bolton, or my least favourite, New Kids On The Block.  I'd
rather listen to fingernails on slate.


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Denis Tek plays Adelaide
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:18:55 GMT

In <BvGz44.JxH@research.canon.oz.au> andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes:

>francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au writes:

>They also played some old Visitor's/Angie Pepper Band songs (Miss You
>Too Much)

I had a great time at the Melbourne gig, but the big disappointment for me
was that Angie Pepper didn't do a single song, but just danced and did
a bit of backup vocals. I was almost as interested in seeing her as I
was in Deniz Tek.

I thought they struck a pretty fair balance between Birdman material
and Teks own. It must be very annoying to have the weight of Radio
Birdmans reputation hanging over you at all times. I remember seeing
one of the New Christs very first gigs where no one applauded for
anything except for the token Birdman track. (Mind you - when New Christs
had just formed, this was a reasonable reaction - they're a much better,
if rather erratic band these days). Rob Younger ended up seriously pissed
off at the crowd.

Question time: Is this the full Angie Pepper discography?

		- Frozen World single
		- The Passengers album
		- about 1/2 of the songs on Deniz Teks "Orpahn Tracks" album


							Steve Taylor
							steve@fulcrum.oz.au
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: musical taste? (Re: The Kylie file .... for your eyes only!)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:49:27 GMT

plastic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jason Brinsley LEE) writes:
>To bad Paul cos your in a recursive trap!
>Jamie really does like KYLIE.
>I REALLY LIKE KYLIE. 
*ARGH!* It can't be true!. Jason, don't play with my head...

>Summary of KYLIE posts:
>agianst:	we dont like Kylie because she is Kylie.
>		we dont don't like the music because it is over produced.
>for:		we like Kylie because she is Kylie.
>		we like the music.

against: we don't like claims that kylie is brilliant because her success
is a marketing phenomenon as opposed to her possessing musical brilliance.
we may or may not like the music; it's not the point.

for: we like kylie because she has silicone implants. and she's good looking
and we always used to watch neighbors because it's good.
we like the music because it's Kylie!

Kylie fans (of which I used to be slightly) answer me this: 
1) If Kylie put out some really disgusting thrash metal grunge with
distorted vocals by Al Jourgenson and Trent Reznor, and contributed
only a couple of seconds of vocals and her face on the cover of the album,
would you buy it and like it? If not, are you a true Kylie fan? If yes,
doesn't it prove that you like her for her image and body and not for the
music?

2) If Kylie looked like the Elephant Man and sang like him, would you
like her? Ditto the if not and if yes questions above.

*grin*
All in good fun.
Paul


>I thinks the aye's have it.

>-- 

>peace. plastic. 1992.

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP)
Subject: U2 decide not to tour Australia
Keywords: Article from the Melb. Herald Sun
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:40:25 GMT

JUST SAY NO:  U2, whose critically acclaimed ZOO TV tour is working its
way across the globe, will not visit Australia.

Promoters had hoped to announce the Australian tour dates for November,
but this week last-minute talks with the Irish supergroup failed.
U2 were scheduled to play Melbourne, at an outdoor stadium as early
as November 14, but the band's management cancelled the gigs on
Monday.

A spokeswoman for Michael Coppel Presents, said:"It was never 100
per cent sure, but this latest development has come as a big shock.
Everything was ready, the venue was set, the band was ready to travel
to Australia, but now it appears it would be too much of a rush. We 
had seven weeks to get the tour started.

"In the end, it was felt we could not rush the tour, so it will not
happen. It is a major disappointment, not only for us, but obviously
for the fans of U2.

Herald-Sun reporter Kamahl Cogdon saw the latest U2 show at Yankee stadium, 
New York, and gloated: "Gee, I'm glad I saw them when I did. It's visually
spectacular. The giant stage is reportedly dwarfed by 10 massive video screens 
that constantly flash heavy political slogans and advertising phrases.

The show draws heavily from Achtung Baby with snippets from Rattle and
Hum and The Joshua Tree, Pride, from the 1984 album Unforgettable Fire
is the only early material included in the set.

[The last bit is B/S - they play a couple songs from War]

My Comments - This would have been a brilliant tour. You only get a band like
U2 once in a very long time. U2 are a commercial success because they do
play brilliant music, real music which will stand up by itself for a long time
in the future. They may have good marketers, but the music is the primary
feature, not the body or hype, unlike some other artists, and definitely
not the one monopolizing this group at the moment. I just hope this
is a typical Herald Sun beat up.

Bitterly dissappointed

Andrew
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: Top 10 albums -> Australia.
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: General Access UNIX Group, Monash Uni, Clayton, Vic.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:43:53 GMT


            /=============================================\
           || The TOP 10 AUSTRALIAN ALBUMS CHART.         ||
           || For the week ending: Friday 2nd OCTOBER '92 ||
 __________|/=============================================\|___________
/                                                                      \
1. ( 1) JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR - '92 Cast Soundtrack * [10 weeks at #1]
2. ( 2) DR. HOOK'S GREATEST HITS - Dr. Hook
3. (NEW) SOME GAVE IT ALL - Billy Ray Cyrus
4. ( 3) FORM ONE PLANET - The Rockmemlons *
5. ( 7) CHAMELEON DREAMS - Margaret Urlich *
6. (NEW) MAKE IT COME TRUE - Girlfriend *
7. ( 4) ELECTRIC SOUP - Hoodoo Gurus *
8. ( 9) STRICTLY BALLROOM - Soundtrack *
9. ( 5) TOURISM - Roxette
10. (10) MTV UNPLUGGED (E.P.) - Mariah Carey
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Denotes Australian/New Zealand Artist
( ) Denotes chart position last week
NEW - Indicates album new to top 10
Chart supplied by the AUSTRALIAN RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION (ARIA)
\______________________________________________________________________/

These albums were in the top 10 last week:

   /=================================================================\
  || 6. BOBBY - Bobby Brown                                          ||
  || 8. FRIENDS FOR LIFE - Jose Carreras                             ||
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From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Severe gripes
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:33:28 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


	O.K all, this gripe isn't really aimed at the individual, but
rather commercial radio and those who are "cool" and follow the trends that 
are developed.  In the last six months I have been sickened by the attitudes
of the Australian community regarding the Chili Peppers. Yeah, you know that
Yank band that sing "Under the Bridge"? Well people, this band is the epitome
of cool.
	COOL FACTS OF THE PEPPERS

	1. Flea is from a cool country - Australia
	2. They played in a cool movie - Alone in the dark
	3. Their album covers are cool.
	4. They follow the Lakers - that's cool
	5. They don't like miming.
	6. They flash when made to mime on National TV	
	7. Ant loves pizza
	8. The band likes G'N'R
	9. They tend to dance like Peter Garrett at times
       10. They all barrack for the Geelong Football Club

	Anyhow peoples, I think that too much commercial exposure ruins the
appreciation of the music, which is regression as monotany takes over.  So 
why can't we here some music from earlier albums apart from Blood Sugar Sex
Magik and Mothers Milk?  What do you guys out there think?  So live forever
rock, live on Chisel, live on Oils and all the great bands as well.

	Chris.

E-mail : cs19241099g@lust1.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc