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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:15:33 GMT

In article <C19DnE.7MM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) continues without pausing for
> thought:
> >being honest?  Honest about what?  Should I tell you junk about my life
> >first before posting anything?  
> 
> Are you calling us "junk"?

Relax, that's just her speech pattern getting in the way.

I finally realized what's so annoying about her writing style.
It seems to be a dialect of ValSpeak.  And, as the stereotype
goes, the Valley Girl is the antithesis of the
alt.angst reader.  Not to mention that stereotypical Valley Girls
don't have enough personality to recognize angst.  Blissfully unaware.

To Hermes:
	You may want to tone down on the "and stuff", "and junk", and
	the smileys.  Especially the smileys.

To the rest:
	If Hermes' "Space Cadet bow-head" style begins to annoy you,
	just ignore her.  Don't talk to her, no matter *what* she does.
	She'll either go away or change her tune.  Believe me, it works.

Either Miss Bock is putting on an act (in which case I'll subtly nod
in approval, from one hellraiser to another), or she's a True (not pale)
Blue bowhead (which makes the reactions of the people here even more amusing).
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			       Master of Science!
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: hair (was Re: qualities in men)
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:23:15 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <22JAN93.21341223.0242@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7TR@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7TR000) writes:

>No wonder, he's British! Europeans are swarthy and smell like SHIT!
>As if the poor Brit slob has  a choice.  If all you saw all day long
>was a bunch of nasty hairy wenches, you'd probably find dirt and funk
>attractive too.  But that doesn't make it some sort of universal
>aesthetic.  Fuckin' EuroMutts!

>I'm not smelly and proud of it!

Well it's just we prefer people to smell like people, not droids.

When multimedia gets going, maybe we'll be able to send smells down the net, 
could be fun, esp on talk.bizarre

NB There are no US beers worth the shelf-space                           ;->

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: problem solving
Organization: OFSA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:26:29 GMT

pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) wonders:


>angst and "anti-angst", why don't you tell us what your philosophy of 
>personal problem-solving is? If I read you right, you're more in favour

Hmm, what a great thread! Personal problem-solving/resolution
techniques. Lesse, I kinda prefer wallowing about it self-pity until I
realize it isn't helping, and I also enjoy screwing my brains out,
systematic-rational-logical weighing of pros and cons, psychological
investigation of the roots of said problem...etc. That's a start.

Steve




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From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:52:11 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <1jmrmhINN3je@cbl.umd.edu> wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend) writes:
>paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>
>[All kinds of silly things...]
>
>This is obviously just a joke, people; in fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised
>to learn that "Theresa" is actually a guy.

Why is it a joke?  Because it's funny?  I really don't mind if I amuse people.
It might make them a little happier.  :)
As far as guyness and that stuff, I'm still young.  I don't have to decide
that kind of stuff for sure.  It's a free country.
>
>>I guess I could stop posting if that's what everybody wants. :(  But I 
>>really would want one question answered:  man or woman?  which should I be?
>
>I think you should become an eggplant; they have no angst at all, although
>they can shrivel up from lack of water or get eaten by a woodchuck. :-)
>Whoever heard of a purple vegetable with angst? ;-) And at least eggplants
>don't post ridiculous things to usenet!

I don't know that becoming an eggplant is an option for me.  I might not be
up to that.
>
>>-Hermes
>>TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT  Theresa "Hermes" Bock
>
>Kathleen (Wolffriend)

Maybe I could be a wolf, friend.  ;)

-Hermes

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From: xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Horribly formed haiku and inquiry
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:01:15 GMT
Organization: Xibological Perimeter

In article <1993Jan21.161550.6714@desire.wright.edu> w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:
#
#   I'm confused

good

#   Can somebody help to clear some confusion away
#   From my fog besoil'd brain?
#
#   Please

sure.

#   What is alt.angst?

You're soaking in it.  It's a newsfroup where the topic is angst.

Angst is sometimes defined as a generalized feeling of fear, neurotic
anxiety, or depression.

Or maybe that tingling chill that goes down your spine when you see a
really hot babe and you have no idea how to approach her.

Others have angst relating to a wide range of fears & troubles.

#   Why are you all angsting?
#   Is it because life is a confusing mess of disjoint and hellish events?
#   Nova

Given the size of the USENET populace, it would seem obvious that some
people have angst.  And some of those would rather talk about it than
just sit hiding under a desk in a dark room, trying to cry.  Hence, this
forum is provided.

Kinda obvious, no?


Xibo
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Subject: Re: How depressing!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:15:11 GMT

In <106337@netnews.upenn.edu> dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong) writes:

>Gee, this newsgroups is depressing, innit?  Since I subscribed, I've
>found discussions on how much better it is to be dead and how God doesn't
>exist.  

>But for some reason I find it curiously inviting.  :-)

>dc


I'm glad that your life is proceeding more smoothly than those on
alt.angst who are using the board to express their ANGST
S Zikopoulos
From: szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: patriarchy on parade
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:10:24 GMT
Organization: Carleton University




Here's a message I received today. Please add your support to it and help  
others:


|>From POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU!JRYCENGA Wed Jan 20 11:52:44 1993
|
|For political activists, or media watchdogs, or just concerned
|women, here's a quick something you can do to help prevent
|and stop domestic violence.
|
|Super Bowl Sunday - which this year is January 31, here in southern
|California at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena - is the single worst day
|for domestic violence in the USA.  There is an increase of as much as 40%  
in the volume handled by domestic violence shelters on this
|day.
|
|To try to stem this tide of violence, the Women's Action Coalition
(WAC) of Los Angeles is supporting the campaign by Fairness and Accuracy  
in Reporting (FAIR) to convince NBC (the network carrying the game) to  
carry two Public Service Announcements on domestic violence during the  
Super Bowl this year.  Anna Quindlen of the New York Times wrote a fine  
editorial in the 1/17/93 edition of the Times supporting this effort as  
well.
|
|What I am asking of you - and all your friends (please PLEASE
cross-post this to _any_ lists you can think of) - is to help us with a  
FAX/LETTER blitz on NBC, asking for these PSA's.  Here is a sample letter:
|
|Dick Ebersol
|President, NBC Sports
|NBC
|30 Rockefeller Plaza
|New York, NY  10112
|
|Dear Mr. Ebersol:
|
|We (I) support FAIR's request that you air two Public Service
Announcements on domestic violence during the Super Bowl game.  The Super  
Bowl is one of the most widely viewed television events of the year; it is  
also the day, according to women's shelters, when calls for help increase  
by as much as 40%.
|
|Your broadcast of the Super Bowl will reach a huge audience.  By your  
airing PSAs, NBC will be bringing to a national audience the critical and  
important issue of domestic violence.
|
|Sincerely,
|
|
|   You can rephrase or rewrite this letter to your liking, but please FAX  
or write them immediately.
|
|To reach NBC by FAX:  212-664-5835.
|
|   Thanks for helping - you may save someone's life, or skeletal
structure, or eyesight.
|
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Sickening Linearity of "Hard Sciences" Response
Summary: Will rant about this later
Keywords: closed vs. opened-ended enquiry, Wild Turkey 101, Reno, 3:45a.m.
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:12:16 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <dsmither.727647177@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:
>
>Am I
>the only social sciences person out here?  Do the hard sciences remove
>abilities to think other than linearly too? I imagine so, but I would
>like to hear people's thoughts on that - not you, Hermes ;<  - this is
>serious stuff.
>
>Diane S.
>Soc/Anth Dept.
>Carleton University
>Ottawa, Canada

At least one other soc. sci. person here. And proud of it. I've had it up to
here with those who equate "hard" science with "difficult to learn" science.
Christ, they have the wrong definition of "hard"!

More on this later. But for now, I must recover from yet another period
of excess ... dark nights ... unpaid bills ... poker debts ... a lucky hand
at 3:45a.m. that allowed me to slink away only $200 in the hole ... three
empty bottles of Wild Turkey rolling around the floorboard when the highway
patrol pulled us over in a snowstorm just outside Truckee, CA ... repeated
requests to for us to turn the car stereo down ... "Censorshit" by the 
Ramones too good to turn down ... "step out of the car" ... luckily, no search
... DUI test performed rapidly on account of bruising wind ... getting away
with a speeding ticket, but being forced to put on chains while the cretin
sat in his car and watched ... down the mountain to Davis ... back to school
... back to the Anthropology Department.
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Neediness
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:52:06 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1g5RXB4w164w@cellar.org> dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud) writes:
>I think a lot of people here have a neurotic, desperate need for love. Not 
>that *I* am immune -- I may hold some kind of local record for romantic 
>suckerdom in the Greater Philadelphia Area.

I'll certainly admit to being a major offender of this myself...Sometimes its
why I think I hang out on the net as much as I do. I've always had this 
tremendous need to be needed, although I've only recently started fighting it.
I still have a major case of net.spewism though. Which I think tends to
piss off some of my friends both real and net  'cause they think that I'm
just looking for A ear to dump/talk to as opposed to theirs specifically,
which of course is wrong, but you certainly couldn't tell from my postings.

>Wanna know what? I don't get walked on any more. I don't "need" women and do 
>not subject myself to the abusive ones. And at one point, I thought that 
>there were *only* abusive ones.
>
>No, I haven't become a Legendary Babe Magnet, but I get along much better 
>with women now, and people in general, and I no longer feel like a slime- 
>mold for not being 50% of a couple. It's amazing what a little self- respect 
>will do for ya.

Yeah, and how GOOD it feels to turn somebody down for doing something, not
to be mean, not because of some made up excuse, not to get a rush from stomping
on somebody, but just because you don't want to and feel like doing for
yourself for once instead of always being dragged around by other people.
You feel guilty as hell when you first start doing this, but it makes you
feel good when you find out that most people still like you just as much
after as they did before and the ones who don't deserved to get get dissed
anyways....


>The only down side seems to be that there is less sex, less drama and less 
>gossip to talk about. But the ability to feel good every so often WITHOUT 
>cuddling up or having an orgasm is quite a thrill in itself.

True...true...The thrill fades after a while, but its still really cool to
be totally self-oriented and do something for me for once thats not tied to
anybody else and to actually not feel guilty about it afterwards...


>Well, enough of my pompous prolegomenations (ya like *that* one, does ya?). 

You've put this English Major to shame, thats for sure..

----Steve
-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jwc2001@andy.bgsu.edu (J Cannon)
Subject: Life is shit, verse 3
Followup-To: alt.angst
Organization: Three guys in a computer lab
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:39:30 GMT

Jim, my favorite drinking buddy ("women aren't worth our time...let's get
drunk") left for home this semester.  Since he was one of the only cool
guys that I lived with, I spent last weekend studying.  My best friend
Julie ditched me to go out with some boy.  My job bores me to tears, and
I'm still thousands in the hole.  So here it is, the Dead Milkmen, "Life is
Shit", verse three, as nearly as I can remember it:

And when my friend and I were done
We came to rest upon the sun
'Cause life takes from us the things we love 
And it robs us of the special ones
And puts them high where we can't climb
And we only miss them all the time...

And...

We...

Sing...

Life is shit, life is shit, the world is shit, the world is shit,
This is life as I know it...This is life as know it...

Sort of our theme song for last fall.  It's from the album Beelzebubba, and
it's worth checking out.  

Milo  
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch)
Subject: Really Utterly Completely Totally Meaningless Dream
Organization: Self-Basting Turkeys
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:02:24 GMT

I had a work dream and alt.angst dream in one yesterday, a well-packaged, 
merchandisable dream, so of course I have to tell everyone about it.  It 
had a nice obvious moral that I will ignore, which in part was "don't 
tell them all about it."  But dreaming about work makes me want to sing 
with joy:  Hymn #507, "Snap me into place and turn me in circles 
forever, God, I'm happy to be a cog."

In the dream, I start in the front yard of this hotel, and I repeatedly 
fuck up, I don't remember how.  Somehow fucking up equals ending up 
further and further back in the yard, and the part of the yard is 
physically identical to the paper I'm creating life-graphs on; 
unfortunately the graph keeps straying below the bottom of the paper so 
I keep having to start over while displaying lower and lower ranges of 
the life-quality-axis.  But I fix the problem once and for all by making 
sure the life-quality-axis goes all the way to the back fence, where the 
dumpster is; I end up right in the dumpster but at least I have my nice 
neat graph of it, The End.

[I have recently spent a long boring time finding the best ranges to 
display for a billion (I counted) graphs in math textbooks.]

I had fallen asleep with the light on, the sort of thing where you're 
groggier after than before and after you can't remember just how many 
times you half-awoke in the middle of it.  I bet that if the conditions 
were tuned perfectly I could die of starvation while switching between 
sleep and half-sleep, never waking enough to turn the lights off, a 
corpse with red marks going down the sides of my legs at the jeans' 
seams.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: steve@estel.uindy.edu (Steve Spicklemire)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: tick.. tick.. tick..
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:46:31 GMT
Organization: Truevision Inc., Indianapolis, IN
Distribution: world
Reply-To: steve@estel.uindy.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.146.191.197


We are signing the final divorce decree tomorrow. 

tick.. tick.. tick..

There's not a damn thing in the world to do about it.

tick.. tick.. tick..

Did you ever feel like you were watching your life end in slow motion?

tick.. tick.. tick..

-steve
--------------------------< cut here >----------------------------
Steve Spicklemire (317) 788-3313             steve@estel.uindy.edu
Dept of Mathematics and Physics	                 NeXTmail Welcome!
1400 East Hanna Avenue, 46227

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: tick.. tick.. tick..
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:39:29 GMT

In article <1k4invINN66h@epic.truevision.com> steve@estel.uindy.edu writes:
> 
> 
> tick.. tick.. tick..
> 
> What am I supposed to do now?
> 
> tick.. tick.. tick..


Have a beer.


Works for me.


-- 
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
*********************************************************

Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
From: kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic)
Subject: Re: Anywhere out of the world
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 00:32:38 GMT

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:

>If you are driving from Califnordia to Colorado, you might want to do
>the following:

>  * Drain your radiator and fill it with a 50-50 mixture of water and
>    ethylene glycol, commonly known as "anti-freeze" in those parts of
>    the country where water freezes during certain parts of the year.

Not really necessary till next year, but...  Do it anyway...

>  * Obtain an implement for scraping ice off of your windshield (I kid
>    you not!  My sister went to school in Texas, and when it snowed for
>    the first time in umpteen years, she whipped out her handy window
>    scraper, and none of the Texans knew what it was!)

Yes.  Do this.  Waiting in the car for all the windows to heat up enough
to melt what's on the outside is not fun.  You can speed it up with the
window washer fluid, but the side windows...

>  * If you get lost driving around the Denver Metro area, remember that 
>    the mountains are always WEST.

GOOD advice, harder at night, but still possible...

>  * The best 24-hour eateries in the Denver Metro Area are the IHoP's,
>    or "International House of Pancakes".

I had these in Milwaukee before I started moving all over the place.  I ended
up here, and it's basically the same whereever you go.

>  * Our Museum of Natural History is really cool.  The first thing you
>    see when you walk in the front door is a T. Rex skeleton looming over
>    the entrance, posed in mid-pounce.  Right now, they have some IMMENSE
>    Aztec stone carvings as part of a special show.

Tis cool, but their politics SUCK. 


>And most important of all:

>  * Don't move to Colorado; just spend some money here.  We don't want
>    people like you moving in and driving the housing prices (further)
>    up.

Yeah, dammit.  Go home.

--
Capt. Sarcastic      |The U.S. economy is dominated by monopolies.  In order to
(Kurt S. Koller)     |gain higher profits they exploit the U.S. workers as well
kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu|as the population of the countries dependent on the U.S.A.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: stuff
Organization: OFSA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:40:58 GMT

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) sez:


>According to people who've known me, I'm a real loner. I find myself
>realising there's a great big hole in my life, one which I want to fill
>but don't know what to do it with, or where to start. A feeling of
>incompletness.....

Well DogBowl, that hole is like a bottomless hole. The more you fill
it with the more it wants. You are incomplete because of your past,
reconcile yourself with it and realize it has no bearing on who you
are now and the Hole (with a capital H) will shrink...learn to love
yourself as you are and the Hole is gone.


- this psychobabble brought to you free of charge by me.

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Bogans & Snogging (was: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....)
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:55:42 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <93020.164557HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion) writes:

>Um, Dan, check the headers. You're somewhere in the UK, I'm in Pennsylvania.

's funny, I always thought Pennsylvania was a tiny village in Wiltshire, SW 
England.  I've even driven through it! (took 20 seconds).

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ajc1@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Cooke)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:35:55 GMT

In article <1jmf3lINNch6@shelley.u.washington.edu>, 
paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:

     Oh yeah I'm into that individualism thing, but I just thought that if
     I became a man I could find out once and for all if there IS a
     difference, just in case there is one.  Could we maybe take a vote or
     something?

  there are some differences...

  ... mellowed by deep draughts of nectar, he indulged in idle banter
  with Juno, who shared his leisure, and teased her saying: 'Of course,
  you women get far more pleasure out of love than men do.'  Juno denied
  that this was true.  They decided to ask the opinion of the wise
  Tiresias, for he had experienced love both as a man and a woman.

  Once, when two huge serpents were intertwining themselves in the
  depths of the green wood, he had struck them with his staff; from
  being a man he was miraculously changed into a woman, and had lived as
  such for seven years.  In the eighth year he saw the same serpents
  again and said: 'If there is such potent magic in the act of striking
  you that it changes the striker to the opposite sex, I shall now
  strike you again.'  So, by striking the same snakes, he was restored
  to his former shape, and the nature with which he was born returned.

  He, then was chosen to give his verdict in this playful argument,
  and he confirmed what Jupiter had said.  Then, they say, Juno was more
  indignant than she had any right to be...

  from metamorphoses, ovid, tran. mary innes.

  (and tiresias was horribly punished).

  andrew cooke


     institute of astronomy,           oh no no no it was too cold always
     madingley road, cambridge           (still the dead one lay moaning)
     cb3 0ha, england.                 i was much too far out all my life
     (0223) 337504/48                         and not waving but drowning