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From: lmb@netcom.com (Larry Blair)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: I didn't receive a registration renewal notice
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:32:15 GMT
Organization: Glenwood Consulting, Scotts Valley, CA

In article <byafuso.724617874@athena> byafuso@athena.qualcomm.com (Byron Yafuso) writes:
=I was getting new tires for my car the other day, and my buddy noticed 
=that my registration was expired.  I'm pretty sure I never got a renewal
=notice.
=...
=Did anyone else not get a registration renewal notice in the mail?

There has been a lot of discussion on this topic on KGO radio.  MANY people
have called in to say that they never received their renewal notices even
though they hadn't moved.  Failure to get a renewal notice is not a valid
reason to abate the 40% penalty.  Lee Rodgers (one of the `radio
personalities') claimed that a DMV employee had told him confidentially that
it was an intentional effort to raise revenues.  While there is a slight
chance this might be true, I've learned that you should never attribute to
malice that which can be attributed to stupidity, which is particularly true
when it comes to the DMV.
-- 
Larry Blair   lmb@netcom.com       Glenwood Consulting 408-438-6386
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: mandel@dms.agames.com (Glenn Mandelkern)
Subject: State Roads
Organization: Atari Games Corp.
Distribution: ca.driving
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:23:56 GMT


Does anyone know where I could get a listing of the different 
California State Roads along with their start and endpoints
(e.g.,  State Road 1, State Road 2, etc.)

I am just curious as to how many roads are out there and where 
they all go.  I try to stay away from interstates whenever possible
such as when going from San Jose to L.A. by using these roads:
	U.S. 101,
	State Road 25,
	State Road 198,
	State Road 33,
	State Road 1

as opposed to using 5 or 101 all the way.	

Thanks in advance!	
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dhepner@cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner)
Subject: Re: Do I need Chains?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:52:55 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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From: ross@prpa.philips.com (Ross Morley)

>Recently in my 4WD I took the corner from 88 into Kirkwood (on snow) at
>a speed I wouldn't have done it at in a 2WD. Traffic was light, BTW.
>Speed around 20mph, no braking. I skidded a bit, but the nose kept
>pointing in the right direction and a little power pulled me around the
>corner, even while sliding sideways a bit. There was no tendency to
>spin out. Now I've seen plently of rear-WDs spin out in similar turns.
>4WD just makes it so much easier to stay in control. 

Maybe we're discussing different 4WD systems; in every experiment
I've ever tried, applying power while in a slight corner skid and 
4WD resulted in massive understeer, a straight path off the 
outside of the corner.  However, these experiments were all
conducted using "hard" 4WD, with equal torque going to each end.
Asymmetrical systems, as are popular in 4WD cars, may be better
for this purpose.

Dan Hepner
From: walt@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Walt Boeninger)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:46:07 GMT
Subject: Re: CVC definition of Speed Trap
Organization: the H.P. Mtn View RC
Newsgroups: ca.driving

In ca.driving, jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

> "briang" == Brian Gordon <briang@bari.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

> briang> Speaking of the CVC, does anyone know the reference that
> briang> allows motorcycles to "lane split".  I know it is legal, but I
> briang> would like to read the wording to see if it might apply to
> briang> other vehicles under some circumstances ...

> were ticketed for 21658(a): "A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as
> practical entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from
> the lane until such movement can be made with reasonable safety."  The
> officer wrote "lane splitting" on the ticket.


It is possible that the person in this case was either switching from
lane to lane, or actually driving on the white line.  When lane splitting,
one *cannot* drive on the white line, one must be within the confines
of the lane, not on the white line.  This is where most people will get
nailed, caused by car drivers who do not appreciate the cyclists 
efficiency, and attempt to impede their progress my planting their cars
close to the side that the cyclist is attempting to use.  

Walt Boeninger
From: chuang@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Chi Huang)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Laser speed check in CA???
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:50:53 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Do anyone know if any place in CA is using the LIDAR now? LIDAR is the 
device uses Laser to detect your car speed.

Chi
From: jeffr@Ingres.COM (Jeff Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Question on Speedy Trial ..
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: jeffr@Ingres.COM (Jeff Rosenberg)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

Has anybody used (people vs. Agnew) - (i.e. person who appeared in front of 
clerk had appeared and Misdemeanor trial occurring after 45 days is untimely)
recently to dismiss a case before it goes to trial.

thanks, for any info.

jeff
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From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee)
Followup-To: ca.driving
Distribution: usa

! wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
! shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
!!one cannot tint the front two windows of a car.  however, this only
!!applies to third party jobs (i.e., your local garage or done by yourself.)
!!if the car was tinted coming out of the factory, it is perfectly
!!fine and legal.  
!
!I have heard this explanation as well.  I can't figure out how something 
!can be legal coming out of a factory, and be illegal when you apply it to
!your own car.  I've always wondered how limousines that are custom built
!get around such a law...

The law was written that way to keep it short and simple. All car glass
installed by a veh manufacturer has to meet DOT standards. The aftermarket
stuff has no such control. You cannot get a veh manufacturer to darken
out the glass beyond the DOT limit. About the only tinting you will get
from them is the slight green tint sold as "tinted glass" option. You
won't get blackened glass.
JSLee
From: chuang@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Chi Huang)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:48:12 GMT
Subject: DADAR DECTECOR
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: ca.driving

I am thinkof  buying a radar detector, but have the following questions:

1. What is ka wideband? Is this only use by the photo-radar, or not?

2. What is stalker radar?

I am looking at Corba Trapshotter RD-6000W and want to know your experience
with it if you have one. Thankx in advance for your reply.

Chi

Xref: sparky ca.driving:2590 rec.autos.driving:7245 rec.autos:29976
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:43:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1992Dec13.211005.15008@netcom.com> suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman) writes:
>Hi, 
>Is there somekinda law in CA that prohibits tinting the front two windows 
>of a car ? I was given a ticket this morning for having tinted front two 
>windows. I have no idea that it's illegal here since I just came from
>Texas. In Texas, the front two windows can be tinted provided that the
>tint is within some limit (there is a limit on how dark the front two
>windows can get). Any advice on this matter is appreciated !
>
>--dani
>suleman@netcom.com

yep, sorry, but the CHP don't like approaching a car that they can't see
into - so the front driver & passenger windows plus the windshield can't
have tinting (this doesn't include factory tinting on the upper part
of the windshield)
we have a blazer that came from Texas, and my husband got caught - he 
scraped off everything ont the windows except the top 2 inches

in the past, people have been able to get an 'understanding' CHP
to sign off the ticket, but there are some 'hot dogs' out now that
just watch for anything they can write a ticket on

BTW this is a fixit ticket and there's a fee (about $80) 

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                     /______\                   nor safety."  
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From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:45:39 GMT
Subject: Re: What you need besides chains when going to Tahoe
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: ca.driving

Great post, excellent advice!  Pay attention people, this stuff
might save your life.  I have gotten flack for taking "too much
stuff" with me.  I've needed the sleeping bags once when the   
road, I80 was closed at Auburn, and I've been stuck for 8 hours
in a traffic jam.  The water and food came in handy, and I was 
VERY glad I'd filled the tank in Auburn.  It's equally important 
to fill it before heading back!

David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730

************************************************************************
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Charter member of the "I HATE vi!" Club.
************************************************************************
The statements and opinions above are my own, entirely my own, and no one
else's.
Newsgroups: ca.driving,misc.consumers
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: CVC definition of Speed Trap
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:07:50
Distribution: ca

"briang" == Brian Gordon <briang@bari.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

briang> Speaking of the CVC, does anyone know the reference that
briang> allows motorcycles to "lane split".  I know it is legal, but I
briang> would like to read the wording to see if it might apply to
briang> other vehicles under some circumstances ...

There isn't one.  It's not that lane splitting is "legal", it's that
it's *NOT* illegal.  Various cops have various interpretations, most
don't mind it.  I've heard everything from "it's legal because
motorcycles can overheat" (from an ex-cop) to "it's legal because it
lowers traffic".  I've yet to find any actual proof that it is
explicitly allowed.  Several ba.moto folks have claimed that some cops
in Marin are ticketing lane spliiters.  One person posted that they
were ticketed for 21658(a): "A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as
practical entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from
the lane until such movement can be made with reasonable safety."  The
officer wrote "lane splitting" on the ticket.
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWMOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2570 rec.autos.driving:7209 rec.autos:29735
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:28 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

The story I've always heard is that the cops don't like excessvely
dark window tinting because they can't see in.  The local kids sometimes 
indulge in window tint to such an extent that they not only prevent the 
cops from seeing in, they nearly prevent themselves from seeing out!

Confounding the issue is the popularity of the stuff among lower-class 
teens and twentysomethings, ever the popular targets of the police.  
Seems that the epitome of cool is whatever the local gang-bangers and
dealers are wearing, driving, etc., which doesn't help the harassment
situation any.  (Hey, it took me an ungodly large increment of maturity 
to figure out that because I looked and acted like I had fresh cow s. 
on my boots, society was reluctant to let me walk across the carpet; I
can hardly critize ghetto kids for the equivalent lack of perspective...  :)

The whole subject certainly evokes strong feelings vs-a-vis automotive 
class. I wanted to put one of those hunting/fishing scene appliques 
on the back window of my station wagon.  My wife responded by asking
whether she should save me some time by putting my possessions into
garbage bags on the front porch while I was applying it.  

Enforcement appears to be sporadic and subject to the whim of the cop.
If you like the stuff and want to see what all you can get away with,
I'd recommend going to the local DMV office and getting your own copy
of your state's Vehicle Code.  I think that in California it's something
like three bucks a copy in paperback.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:38:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: loral western development labs

In article <1992Dec13.211005.15008@netcom.com>, suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman) writes:
> 
> Hi, 
> Is there somekinda law in CA that prohibits tinting the front two windows 
> of a car ? I was given a ticket this morning for having tinted front two 
> windows. I have no idea that it's illegal here since I just came from
> Texas. In Texas, the front two windows can be tinted provided that the
> tint is within some limit (there is a limit on how dark the front two
> windows can get). Any advice on this matter is appreciated !
> 
> --dani
> suleman@netcom.com
> 
This is not ment t be legal advise, just my personal view!
Check out the local library for DMV codes!

Yes there are laws on tinting windows on vehicals.
"You may not alter the amount of light that enters the vehical" or some 
thing like that. 

That was a few years ago. I'm sure by now it is much more complicated.
Also you can tint the windows behind the driver if you have mirrors on 
both sides of the vehical.

Good luck, and welcome to California.
The state with more laws, and the highest taxes in the union!
Later,
Tim
Standard disclaimer applies
From: klin@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kenneth m. lin)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: SMOG TEST QUESTION
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:54:40 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, Riverside


I have a 1989 TOYOTA COROLLA and I have been told to include the smog test 
certificate with the annual registration payment for the third time since I 
bought the car.  I am just wondering how often are smog test required in this 
state?  

In addition, does anybody know how much extra profit is auto repair industry 
making since the state mandated the smong check?  Who gets to pocket the 
$7.00 for the certificate?  

Just curious, 

Kenneth M. Lin
Department of Statistics 
University of California, Riverside
klin@ucrengr.ucr.edu


Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Reply-To: Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com
Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:14:54 GMT

In article <2B2D13F8.542A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> hart@madhatter (James A. Hart)  
writes:
[stuff deleted]
> BTW, why not just chance it if youv'e got a light tint?  Isn't it just a 
> 'fix-it' ticket that only requires removing the tint and getting an officer
> to sign it off? (No cost involved?)
> 
> Name:        Jim Hart    N6JSS

I heard that in this era of kinder, gentler revenue generation, that 'fix-it'  
tickets now cost you about $30 + proof that you fixed it.  Anybody actually had  
one of these lately?

--
Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com)  NeXTmail accepted
Radical System Solutions, Inc.
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: stssram@st.unocal.COM (Bob Myers)
Subject: Re: Do I need Chains?
Reply-To: Bob.Myers@st.unocal.com
Organization: Unocal Energy Resources Division
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:09:25 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 1992 21:06:26 GMT, dhepner@cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner) said:

Dan> From: gianos@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Alexander Gianos)

>So, do I still need chains if I have M+S tires?

Dan> Yes, unless you have both four wheel drive and M+S tires.

As I recall the CVC (don't have it here in front of me), 4 wheel drive
vehicles with snow tires don't have to use chains in most conditions,
but they do have to carry them in case they need them.   That's just
the legal requirement, though;  I doubt anyone's actually going to 
check.

--
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Internet: Bob.Myers@st.unocal.com      Exploration and Seismic Technology
Phone: [714] 693-6951                  P. O. Box 68076
                                       Anaheim, California 92817-8076
From: levine@dinsdale.ics.uci.edu (David Levine)
Subject: Re: SMOG TEST QUESTION
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:01:24 GMT
Distribution: ca

kenneth m. lin writes:

>bought the car.  I am just wondering how often are smog test required in this
>state?

Every other year:  odd year for odd VIN (or VIN ending with letter), even
year for even VIN.

> Who gets to pocket the $7.00 for the certificate?

The state, "to offset the cost of running the program".

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From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tinted windows law ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:59:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.234.18

In article <1992Dec13.211005.15008@netcom.com> suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman) writes:
>Hi, 
>Is there somekinda law in CA that prohibits tinting the front two windows 
>of a car ? I was given a ticket this morning for having tinted front two 
>windows. I have no idea that it's illegal here since I just came from
>Texas. In Texas, the front two windows can be tinted provided that the
>tint is within some limit (there is a limit on how dark the front two
>windows can get). Any advice on this matter is appreciated !

The last time I heard about this subject, the answer is yes, there
is indeed a law about this in ca.

one cannot tint the front two windows of a car.  however, this only
applies to third party jobs (i.e., your local garage or done by yourself.)
if the car was tinted coming out of the factory, it is perfectly
fine and legal.  

quite often what the police will do is to scratch your window to see
if the tint comes off.  (this is what my friend told me, so maybe
you can verify this...)  supposely, the factory tint does not 
come off and the non-factory ones will.

if you do have a 3rd-party one, i don't know what you can do about
it, since i learned all this while conversing w/ friends during a
physics lab back in high school, 'bout 1.5 years ago.  (tells you
how much attention we were paying to the lab... :)


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| shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  know OS/2", "No, Windows!", "Oh, Warbage!",   |
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: I didn't receive a registration renewal notice
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:34:26 PST

byafuso@athena.qualcomm.com (Byron Yafuso) writes:

>I was getting new tires for my car the other day, and my buddy noticed 
>that my registration was expired.  I'm pretty sure I never got a renewal
>notice.

>So, I called the DMV and was informed that, because I was late, I would
>have to pay a late fee.  I was also informed that the late fee had been
>recently increased to %40 from %20 of the renewal rate.

>Hmmm?  I wonder if this is incentive for the state to "forget" to mail
>renewal notices to people.

>I might have confused the computer program last year when I went ahead
>and got my car smog-checked out of turn (I thought I had to do it
>every year).  But, then again, maybe not.

>Did anyone else not get a registration renewal notice in the mail?



>byafuso@qualcomm.com

Did you move?  I think that somewhere on my renewal papers (which I 
got) it said that your registration address and your DL address are
separate entities, and changing one won't change the other.
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Sensors at lights (was Re: Red light at 3AM - moral question?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:42:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <JET.92Dec11111318@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>Some of the sensors are improperly calibrated.  A good example is the
>left turn sensor for the light at Rengstroff and the 101N feeder.
>I've waited as long as 4 minutes (with *NO* oncoming traffic) for it
>to change -- my 450 pound motorcycle doesn't trigger it.  Immediately
>after a car pulls up behind me, the light goes green. 

Some of the sensors are broken [ not hooked up properly ] or some lights
will *require* more than one car be present before they change.  Try
backing up [ provided noone is behind you ] in order to trip the light.
This works for me. :)



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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
Subject: Re: Sensors at lights (was Re: Red light at 3AM - moral question?)
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:56:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.204030.5302@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
bsk@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian Keller) writes:
> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
> >My bicycle _ususally_ has enough
> >mass to trip the vehicle sensors under most of the intersections I ride
> 
> Actually those sensors are magnetic.

It might be more accurate to say they are inductive.
They drive a loop of wire with an AC signal. When conductive objects
are introduced into the AC magnetic field, the current through the loop
changes. A box with some analog electronics converts this to a switch
closure that is fed to the traffic light controller.

Some of the sensing devices can be heard on an AM radio when you are
on top of them. I guess they are driven with low-frequency RF and have
harmonics that reach the AM broadcast band.

					Bruce


					Bruce
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos