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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: Suburbia Nostagia
Originator: cmgeorg@c00550-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:44:51 GMT


In article <Yf0_PXS00WBO8_pq4p@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eric Matthew Furst <ef1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>
|>Just sittin' around tonite thinkin' about the movie Suburbia.  Anyone
|>else remember this one?  the best is when the kid gets hit by the car in
|>the end.  I remember rewinding that one a couple times to watch over...
|>

Yeah, you see that short little mohawk, then the Big Wheel goes *CRUNCH*.
God it's been years since I've even THOUGHT about that film.

-chris

   
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: milt@esd.sgi.com (Milton Tinkoff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: FFUUUUCCKK!!! It's here!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:05:57 GMT
	<BxB3t6.6yp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Nov7.001057.19987@ncsu.edu>
Reply-To: milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Nov7.001057.19987@ncsu.edu>, tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:

TOMASS> now, IMHO, best fucken bands in the world:

TOMASS> Jawbreaker
TOMASS> J Church

I saw these two bands last night at Gilman St.  I hadn't been there since
The Nation of Ulysses show in August and it was more crowded than I'd ever
seen it.  I missed the first two bands (Less Miserables and Ted Hunters),
but we got there in time for Fifteen who played a pretty short set.

I really liked J Church a lot, but a lot of their lyrics are kind of
personal (about people they know) so I couldn't quite tell what they were
singing about.

Jawbreaker totally rocked.  I like their music, but the singer has a Bad
Religion-esque quality to his vocals that I don't particularly care for.

I recommend seeing them if you get the chance.

BTW, does anyone have the new NoU?  I thought it was supposed to be out
last month.  Did they really break up?

-milt

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milt@sgi.com                    |  wrong."      - Al Jourgensen
From: clarkl@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Leslie Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: FFUUUUCCKK!!! It's here!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:34:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


	Hey, as long as we are discussing hardcore, does anyone have info
on finding out where the Residents or Skinny Puppy is playing in the
Indianapolis---Chicago area?  I know SP did a show in Chicago about three
months ago, but I, as usual, was behind the times on finding out about it.

	I am not certain if the Residents do any shows in the U.S., but I 
would be MY-TEE grateful if anyone could let me know.

	Thanks, Zach
.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Jello Biafra
Originator: tphailey@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:44:43 GMT


Don't forget Biafra did Tumor Circus with Steel Pole Bathtub.

And the soundtrack was for "Terminal City Richochet"

And he is sampled or something on an Ice-t album

And he flushed a toilet for a Negativland song

And the list goes on....

TOMASS
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: goetzj@pell4l6.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz)
Subject: Infectious Grooves
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:50:53 GMT

Does anyone out there know if there is a new Infectious Grooves album out  
or to be release soon. I read something about it in Thrasher over the  
summer and was wondering if there was any more info about it.Thanks.

			Justin
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: punk/pop -> hardcore
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:18:51 GMT
Organization: swarthmore college

My favorite bands of all time are Stiff Little Fingers, The Buzzcocks,
etc.-- early British punk stuff.  I also have a real fondness for Sweet
Baby, Agent Orange, the Fastbacks, Superchunk and the  Lemonheads.  Anybody
want to give me some recommendations for hardcore bands they think I might
like-- that is those who are raw and powerful but still maintain a melodic
edge?  I'm never really sure what to pick up when I'm looking through
hardcore bins. 

Stephen
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Jello Biafra
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:30:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Nov6.194915.21571@mdd.comm.mot.com> gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix) writes:
>
>If we are going to get into Jello in Movies:
>URGH! - The music war  ('80 ?, Incredible collection of early punk & new-wave bands)
>Ricochet City - ('90 ?  mentioned above)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Tapeheads (Cameo only) ('89)
>

     Actually, that movie is called Terminal City Ricochet, The Ricochet being
the name of the City's hockey team, and that goalie for that team is the leader
of the anarchist rebels, but he has unfortunately been brainwashed and I guess
tortured by the holders of corporate interests of that town. Jello plays a bad
guy in there, i.e. He's with the corporate dudes! Anyways, there's a great
scene in which a guy is just standing by a garage door, and there's this No
Standing Zone sign painted on the door. Next thing you know two cops come &
beat the guy up! That movie's atmosphere is further enhanced by the random 
falling of electrical appliances that were dumped in orbit due to a lack of
available landfilss! Great Hardcore Movie!

       H.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: bad religion
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:48:40 GMT

In article 10670@ncsu.edu, tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:
>
><everything deleted due to the request of others>
>

Wimp.

gak

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4

How can you be ignorant of something you didn't know in the first place?
                                                      - Choo
From: lancer@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: any net bands?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:05:12
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rajeesh.wpi.edu


Ok, let's kick this off with a bang (and not a flamewar about what is
hardcore).

Are there any bands out there?  I, for one, would love to share
performing experiences/tapes/whatever with people who like my kind of
music... 

To kick it off:

I am in a band here in Worcester called Scratch Monkey.  We just
formed a few months ago, and have performed a few times here at the
college, and have been surprised by the positive attention our shows
have gotten.  We thought we'd be playing to a crowd made up
predominantly of our friends, but lots of people showed up for our
last show (in an on-campus "pub" supporting the Boston band, Green
Magnet School).  The turnout was one of the better ones in recent
memory, in fact, and afterwards some frat guys who I had never even
met commented that they had fun and liked the music.  Which is cool,
since our main objective in starting our band was to have fun...

We play fast and loud usually (to cover our mistakes ;) though we're
branching out...  Last night we even played a coffee house.  BAD idea.
But at least we learned...

So tell me about your experiences...

.s.
--
- so spake lancer@wpi.wpi.edu -  - we remember Men Without Hats: -
-      They say that time is money - sell your watch today!      -
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: good hardcore bands
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:17:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.185445.25400@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>

>my favorite hardcore bands are still the DKs, Flipper (more
>like grunge punk, I guess), DOA, Circle Jerks and maybe Minor
>Threat.

Minor Threat is my alltime favorite HC band.  Has Ian MacKaye done
anything else lately?  I have all the Minor Threat stuff, his Egghunt
45", Embrace, and Fugazi (13 songs, and  3 Songs w/repeater) but
has he released anything else with Fugazi or otherwise?

-- 
-----------------------------
jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu|	"Flex your head." -- Ian MacKaye 
-----------------------------	
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller)
Subject: Re: Spitboy/Jack Acid/SNFU
Keywords: spitboy, jack acid, snfu
Organization: SKaters At Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:07:22 GMT

In article <1dc540INNbcg@bigboote.WPI.EDU> pogo@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Gual) writes:
>can anyone give me recomendations on spitboy? i've read an interview
>with them and was wondering what they sounded like..

	Spitboy RULES.  Get their 7", it's on Lookout! but they are
not a "Lookout! band."  It's tight, mid-tempo melodic hardcore, I
guess, with EXCELLENT lyrics, dealing often with women's issues.  I
missed a chance to see them live and have been kicking myself and
plotting the death of the radio announcer who gave the wrong date over
the air.

	I really don't know what to compare Spitboy's sound to, but I
like it in the same vein that I like Kingpin, later Minor Threat,
recent Majority of One, some of the semi-poppy Descendents and
less-poppy Green Day.  Just get it, you won't be disappointed.

	By the way, folks, just my 2 cents, but Spitboy, Kingpin,
Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today, Void, Iron Cross...
these are hardcore in one way or another.  Somebody mentioned
Queensryche I think- that is not hardcore.  Hardcore is not Faith No
More or Metallica, it's SSD and Econochrist and Face Value, etc.  If
you've heard it on a non-college non-pirate radio station, it's
probably not hardcore.  If you've seen a video of it on MTV, it's
definitely not hardcore.  If the band is on a major label, or if they
are in existence and aren't releasing vinyl, they are probably not
hardcore.  Again, just my opinion, but I'd like to see this be a forum
for discussion on HARDCORE, not metal, not thrash, but HARDCORE.
Whatever.

				--Halloween Jack.

P.S. Get the Kingpin 7" too, it's rapidly becoming one of my favorites.
P.P.S.  No, of course Nirvana is not hardcore.  Geesh.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: rarthur@nyx.cs.du.edu ()
Subject: zines
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:06:48 GMT



what zines do you people read?  my favorites are mostly punk zines
like answer me, cometbus, second guess, dear jesus, plumbers butt,
profane existance, maximum rocknroll, flipside, and more.
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: brad@NeoSoft.com (Brad Morrison)
Subject: Re: Jello Biafra
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:10:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.010740.8457@ugle.unit.no> oddbjorn@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Oddbjoern Steffensen) writes:
>In article <LANCER.92Nov5224624@wpi.WPI.EDU> lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:
>>>>>>> "galt" == Greg Alt <galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu> writes:
>>galt> I was wondering if I have everything by Jello Biafra.  Here's a
>>galt> list, is there anything else?

>[ stuff deleted ]

Just heard Jello last week on NPR (!), billed as, "...and coming up, two
recommendations to our new president, one from a Russian correspondent,
and one from a punk rocker."  Then, after about ten minutes, Jello came
on, identified himself as "Jello Biafra, citizen at large", and
recommended stuff like "thumbs up on the mission to Mars.  Let's send the
politicians from this recent election and LEAVE THEM THERE.  On
elections:  Lower the voting age to five.  You'll see that nagging youth
apathy die on the vine as they elect their teachers, even their principal
and their SCHOOL BOARD.  Let's vote for our POLICEMEN.  You'll see a BIG
decrease in BRUTALITY."  He also had some choice words regarding wages,
salaries, and lobbyists for PACs.

Frank Zappa's dying, but we still have Jello!
-- 
Brad Morrison        | ...These lovers of esoterica seem to derive a great
morrison@paranet.com | deal of intellectual satisfaction out of not quite
(713) 467-3100       | understanding what they are doing.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: Neurosis (+ Pantera - Was: Re: Hardcore...)
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:01:33 GMT

In article <HANS.92Nov7160454@ravn.iesd.auc.dk>, hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:
|> 
|> P.S. Are Neurosis any good ? They played Aalborg last week and I
|> didn't go. Did I miss anything ?
|> 

Their album Souls at Zero is brilliant. Its an Alternative Tentacles
release and consequently has that AT sound with a few classical 
instruments thrown in (violins etc.). They have a "visual coordinator"
or something similar listed on the album, so it would be interesting
to see what he does (ie a live show).

Mark.
From: jamess@Ingres.COM (James Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Punk Rock TV
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:31:55 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <MILT.92Nov12112902@primus.esd.sgi.com>, milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff)   writes...
>In article <BxLvyC.2nH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Carl W. Haynes III) writes:
> 
>Carl> Anyone remember the cool tv shows that had punk rock episodes?  I
>Carl> remember Quincy and CHiPs both had evil punk rockers terrorizing the
>Carl> public...

The CHIPS "punk" band was pretty hip.  They played at a tallent showcase with
some other talented groups, one featuring Eric Estrada singing "Celebration".
The punks had a plan to lock all the door to the venue once they started
"playing" so that the show would get really violent....
I wish I could remember their name--something really succinct like "PAIN"
or "BILE" or "SNOT"...

Also,...
HUNTER had a "punk" episode as well where the band sold drugs. Hunter, who
hates rock-n'-roll, especially hated the punk band, which had maybe one
guitar player, one mohawk, and keyboards...

Does anyone know if Charlie's Angels had a "punk" episode?  It's on all the time
in San Francisco....
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: tocrawle@eos.ncsu.edu (TOBIAS OLIVER CRAWLEY)
Subject: Bad Religion 7"
Originator: tocrawle@c00008-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tocrawle@eos.ncsu.edu (TOBIAS OLIVER CRAWLEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:42:05 GMT


any Bad Religion fans out there?
if so, do you know where i can find any of there 7"?
thanks
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:51:23 GMT

aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER) writes:
>In article <BxCwA8.FFE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Arthur Gramlich) writes:
>>I'd agree. I do think that a band like Ministry could be considered
>>Hardcore though even though it's a bit different (what would you call
>>them?)
>>
>>On a unrelated subject, can anyone tell me about the band Lard? I
>>haven't heard much but I am interested.

Check-out Pailhead, Al Jorg-whatever, and Ian (Mr. Dischord) Mackaye.

>LARD?  well, another Ministry baby but what can i say?  i've got the first
>ep and it's great but i haven't heard Last Temptation of Reid yet.  Of course,

LAst temptation, is more Jello/DK and Less Ministry-ish, I don't groove too
heavily on it, Just stack it behind the last of your DK albums that you
never quite feel like putting on the turntable anymore
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
Behavioural Ecology   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.
From: jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: dammit
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:19:10 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1dupueINN4e0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (Dragan M Zivkovic) writes:
>
>
>stop quoting eachfuckingother when you reply to something 
>scrolling throught the same quoted message you just read fucking sucks
>and its too damn slow
>so fucking stop, the same title is enough!!!!
>
>and as for drugs you dildoheads we operate chemically and our body is never
>in any kind of "normal" state.
>any minute change in concentration of any of a million substances in any
>of a thousand different parts of your body will fucking change your 
>body's state and that includes your brain.
>so next time you run accross the street and almost get run over, know
>that you have just taken the version of speed your body finds cheapest
>to make (adrenalin).
>get a fucking clue
>

I just had to quote your whole fucking mess so you could see it twice
and slow.  What are you running on, a 4Mhz 8088?


-- 
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jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu|	"Flex your head." -- Ian MacKaye 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: bad religion
Originator: tphailey@c00029-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:28:38 GMT


<everything deleted due to the request of others>

Well, I know the song "No Direction" and I'm fully aware of what he means 
there. My initial point was that people had been giving Greg more credit than 
he deserves. There is no envy envolved. I personally like the band, I just 
wanted to point out that he was indeed a grad student and not a professor.
There is a difference. So I began asking around and I learned from a few 
sources who have talked to Mr. Graffin some interesting facts. Mainly, I 
found out from one person, who had talked to him before and who has a lot of 
friends who have hung out with him (because they go to Cornell with him) that
he is a relatively smart guy, but he is just way egotistical and is 
generally patronizing of most punks. I didn't say I don't like the man, I only
know what I've heard from others. But since the info is from people who have
actually talked to him, to me it has a lot more credibility than some info 
from a kid who says, "man you can't talk bad about Greg Graffin cuz he's in
Bad Religion and they're my favorite band and Greg is a cool guy." It's just
that there's been a lot of talk about "what is hardcore?" and "what is punk?"
and it seems to me that punk and hardcore were direct reactions to all the 
mainstream superstars. I thought punk was about no heros, just music played
by normal people for normal people, no room for egos. That doesn't appear to
be what is going on with Bad Religion. 

TOMASS
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: C.O.C.
Originator: tphailey@c00382-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:11:52 GMT


>Isn't it sad how these guys have fallen? To even mention the old COC in
>the same sentence as Corrosion TO cheesy metal Conformity seems a crime!
>My personal favorite was Eye For An Eye...speaking of which, does anyone
>know if the band Eye for an eye has anything out? By the way, whatever
>happened to COC's old singer Mike?? Beuller? Anyone??
>Thanx and Stay Strong folks!   -TC

Actually, wasn't the old singer, at least on "Eye for an Eye", Eric Eyck(sic)?
He works at a skate shop here in Raleigh (Endless Grind for all you skate
buffs). My roommate knows him fairly well. He said he was in the shop one day
and said some of the guys were in there talking about starting a band with
Eric as the singer, but I think they weren't realy all that serious. Still, it
would be cool if it ever came to be. Just my two cents worth.

TOMASS
From: Mark.Cornick@launchpad.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: punk/pop -> hardcore
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1disrsINNgvn@aludra.usc.edu> aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER) writes:
>In article <QXVSB8Z3@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
>>My favorite bands of all time are Stiff Little Fingers, The Buzzcocks,
>>etc.-- early British punk stuff.  I also have a real fondness for Sweet
>>Baby, Agent Orange, the Fastbacks, Superchunk and the  Lemonheads.  Anybody
>>want to give me some recommendations for hardcore bands they think I might
>>like-- that is those who are raw and powerful but still maintain a melodic
>>edge?  I'm never really sure what to pick up when I'm looking through
>>hardcore bins. 
>>
>>Stephen
>
>
>for that popcore craving you can ingest some Big Drill Car, ALL, Green Day,
>1st Jawbreaker, Lungfish, Embrace, Monsula, and Jawbox.
>  
>these are all pretty upbeat sorta things.  I don't know.  look at the covers.
>if the album includes crayons, a comic or coloring book, or a muppet-kinda
>layout than it'll probably be pretty happy.  
>

the new Superchunk single, "Mower" struck me as being much more of a
pop-core thing than their earlier stuff, so you might give that a try...
they ape the riff from "25 or 6 to 4" at the beginning but don't hold that
against them :)

--
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 about. -- Unrest

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Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: skilmon@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shane M Kilmon)
Subject: Re: Hardcore...
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:51:04 GMT

In article <5NOV199211441276@trentu.ca> ibonnycastle@trentu.ca (The Black Wolf) writes:
>Allright.. lets hear it.. what bands do people like out there?
>
>Personally, I'm into the heavy-metal/inustrial type myself.. maybe not as 
>hardcore as some people would like.
>
>Ian Bonnycastle      %   My memory is muddy, what's this river that I'm in?  
>CS/Chem Major        %   New Orleans is sinking man, and I don't wanna swim.
>Trent University     %                            --- Tragically Hip


Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: jeffs@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Schneiter)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry, SF, Dec 23
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: jeffs@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Schneiter)
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center


Ministry, Helmet, and Sepulatura (is that how it is spelled?)

Dec. 23, Bill Graham Civic Auditorium

Tix go on sale Sunday AM thru BASS.