HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:40:14 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov6.005843.2097@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:


>Well, I voted a straight queer-friendly ticket.  Which was mostly the
>same as a straight Democratic ticket, but there was one local Democrat
>I had to vote against on those grounds (he had voted against the local
>gay rights bill last year).  He won, though.

I, too, voted as John, (queer-friendly, but one non-Democratic vote),
and have apparently helped to force the state of Georgia to have an 
unprecedented general-election runoff for the U.S. Senate.

The Democratic nominee, Wyche Fowler, squeaked into office six years
ago with a ton of promises to LGBO folk, but followed through on _none_
of them.  As a result, there was a gay grassroots effort for "us" to
not vote for Wyche -- not necessarily vote for his main opponent (Paul
Coverdell, Peace Corps director under Bush and from the Pat-Pat wing
of the Repulbicraps) but to simply _NOT_ vote for Wyche.

Since most polls in the state showed LGB voters making up 3-4% of the
ballots cast, Wyche's failure to achieve a majority (and, yes, in a
race with >2 candidates, the winner _must_ get majority and not just
a plurality; the Presidential electors' race is the lone exception)
showed him the power of the LesBiGay vote.

Most of my friends were split on the issue -- some just didn't vote in 
the Senate election at all, while others (like me) cast their ballots 
for the Libertarian candidate as a protest.  In either case, the Fowler 
campaign is now painfully aware, because LesBiGay voters have been 
calling his headquarters to explain, why he failed to capture the 
election.  He missed getting a majority by something like only 16,000
votes out of over 2 million cast, so our individual votes _did_ make
a difference.

The runoff election is scheduled for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Since it only pits the two top vote-getters (Fowler and Coverdell) I'm
not sure I'll vote, but I'm torn.  I know Wyche is the typcial "Bubba"
Southern politician, but there's no way I can in good conscience allow
Coverdell to get the seat.

Oh, well, I guess I've got 2 1/2 weeks to see what "pie in the sky"
promises Wyche can concoct, or (heavens forfend!) some actual postiive
steps he might take.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Bashing
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.010530.7824@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>all gay men have a small pink led just under the shirtcollar line ...
>it glows pink all the time to remind us we are here, we are queer, and
>we love to shop.  he was obviously wearing a low-cut shirt.

	Oh, I thought it just meant that my power was on.....

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: squires@mozzarella.cs.wisc.edu (Charles Squires)
Subject: Gay Marriage -- an amusing anecdote
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:36:53 GMT

Dad called me this morning with a story to share.  A little background is in
order, though I'll try not to bore you.

You see, dad is the executor of his uncle's estate.  The uncle's late wife
passed away last year, they had no children, the uncle is no longer
competent due to the ravages of Alzheimer's, and the estate is worth
nearly $5-million.

Sister of deceased aunt calls today to announce that one of late aunt's
nephews (an heir) has died of AIDS, so will my dad PLEASE make sure she
gets her share of the reapportionment when the time comes.

Dad thought this was insensitive.  The following conversation ensues
(D = dad, S = sister of aunt)

S: "George died of AIDS.  (etc)  Make sure his money is correctly divided up
    among the rest of us."
D:  (pissed off) "Well, did he leave behind a lover?"
S:  "Yes."
D:  "Well, I'd like to at least send a sympathy card."
S:  "We don't know his address.  He's in Hawaii somewhere."
D:  (really pissed now, decides to make something up and scare her)
    "Were they married?"
S:  "What do you mean?"
D:  "Well, some states recognize gay marriage, and if they lived in one of
     them, his spouse is entitled to the inheritance."
S:  (shocked and scared that she's not going to get her additional $20K)
    "Really!?  I'll have to check into this."
D:  "Have a nice day."

Great dad :-)
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:41:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Nov13.164159.8051
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov13.003951.11112@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>  Which is not *sufficient* reason to claim that homosexuals are being dis-
>  criminated against in this society. They are, make no doubt about it, but
>  the fact that teens commit suicide because they're gay isn't proof. That's
>  because teens commit suicide for lots of reasons, many of which have noth-
>  ing to do with society.

    It seems, as another poster has indicated, that you are arguing against
yourself here.  You agree that gays are discriminated against in this
society, but then say that gay teens' suicides isn't proof.  I agree that,
standing alone, it isn't; it's just another facet of the whole picture.
    You deleted the part of my posting to which you were responding that
gave the statistic that gay teens were three times more likely to kill
themselves than straight ones.  The only differing variable was their
sexual orientation.  Pretty strong case for cause and effect, especially in
light of the societal discrimination against gays that you agree exists.

>gs> In any case, I don't recall many blacks committing suicide because of the
>    racism they suffered, and it's a lot easier to bash blacks than it is to
>    bash gays.
>
>hb> How would you know?
>
>  "How would I know" what? I made two assertions above, to which are you refer-
>  ring?

    I was referring, of course, to the latter claim that it was easier to
bash blacks than gays.  The first statement was in reference to your memory
of events, and, since it did not assert anything as fact but rather
described your ability to remember such facts, I did not challenge it.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Calling all lazy swine
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:56:54 GMT

[]
For those who are truly lazy but want to do their part, I
am making available a LaTeX letter format file with the
addresses of 27 of your favorite Colorado elected officials,
chambers of commerce, businesses, and so on.  All you
have to do is fill in the text, print it off, stamp the
envelopes, and stick the letters in the mail.  Send email 
if you want a copy.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Boycott Colorado?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:28:06 GMT

As the argument about who and what to boycott wages on, I'd like to
point out that nobody has suggested boycotting any of the states
that have sodomy laws, or other states or communities not
friendly to glb folk.  And didn't Iowa just pass some homophobic
law?  No, I do NOT suggest boycotting everybody and everything -
but maybe wrting letters to businesses in states with sodomy laws,
etc., as well as letters to business in your own communities that
do business with these states, would be in order.  Although it
wouldn't hurt to be selective about where our $$ goes.  Harvey
Fierstien suggested puting "MM" (minority money) on our bills to
let the powers-that-be know who _really_ has the power in this
country.


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From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov10.183156.24715@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>
>	Oy, which part of "duh" eludes you?
>
>	Let's try it on a real simple level: when matters of
>oppression are involved there is no relative "bad".  It
>exists, that is enough to serve that it needs to be eliminated.
>
>	Or for the MSNS level: bad is bad, OR:9 is bad, CO:2
>is bad.  You can even do a Bush impresison to say the bad-thing if you

Well, we all know that OR:9 is bad.

But CO:2?

C'mon, everyone knows that plants would die without CO:2.
And what would you use to fill up fire extinguishers? 

Yah, sure, some say that excess CO:2 leads to global warming, but 
don't let those tree-huggers foo....

Oh, you're talking about Colorado Amendment number 2?

Sorry.

Yah.  Boycott Colorado.  Boycott Broncos games.  Boycott Coors.
Boycott Nyx (ha ha only kidding).  Yah yah yah....

cpk 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:54:16 PST

In article <Bx3IxD.A4p@queernet.org>, on 2 Nov 1992 15:56:00 GMT,
rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>
>In article <19921029005434ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
>(Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>|> Libertarian social policy represents the greatest hope for people in
>|> poverty to escape the welfare trap. Unlike the welfare plantation system
>|> run by the government today, where more than 2/3 of the money extorted
>|> by the government is used to maintain the bureaucracy and push paper, in
>|> a libertarian order, welfare would be privatized and called by its
>|> proper name -- charity.
>
>At first glance, some may delude themselves into believing that this has
>something to do with the (I think) noble Jewish concept of "tzedakah"...
>
Not only at first glance, but at second and subsequent glances as well.

The root meaning of the word is righteousness, but tzedakah actually
refers to charity -- and private charity at that.

I am unaware of anything within the Jewish religion that teaches that
charity should be anything other than a free voluntary individual gift
offering to those in need. Can you point to anything that mandates
anywhere that government should be established to perform this function?

Indeed the Hebrew Bible makes it clear that the reason the son of King
Solomon lost half of his kingdom was because he stonily turned away from
the pleas of his subjects for relief of their oppressive tax burdens.

There are passages in the Talmud that justify lying to tax collectors
(I'll try to dig up the exact reference) by claiming that portions of
one's property is set aside for a heave offering in order to protect it
from an unjust taking by the authorities.

>On closer examination, however, one must realize that the shul is, in essence, a
>government-in-exile, which, of course, makes what was seen as "charity" in fact
>a progressive income tax.

I don't view the synagogue as a government-in-exile; rather it's a
voluntary association of a community assembled for study and for prayer.
Contributions to charity made through the synagogue are voluntary and
self-assessed. One cannot say the same thing for the progressive income
tax.

>--
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:44:51 GMT
	    <1992Nov11.222908.16079@panix.com>
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Nov11.222908.16079@panix.com>
mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) describes an episode of _Roseanne_

>>I hope they continue the plot line.

>It's probably a good idea to tell them so.  

The story is apparently continuing into next week's episode, which will
delve into Bernhardt's character's ex-husband questioning his masculinity.

<GROAN>

But maybe they'll handle even that with their typical irreverent humor.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfile@bmers3.bnr.ca (Jonathan File)
Subject: Another small victory in Canada
Reply-To: jfile@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:11:27 GMT

It was announced today that the YMCA will begin to sell family 
memberships to same sex couples!  As far as I know, the decision 
is Canada wide.  I don't know about the USA.

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: FORWARDED POSTING
Summary: from an old friend
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:12:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov13.031253.26743
Organization: insert anything here

[I've been asked to forward this to soc.motss...]

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Date:      Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:01:38 EST
From: "St. Waldeaux of the Ethernet" <osito!waldeaux>
Message-Id: <2b031a9d.osito@osito.UUCP>
Organization: Ursa-Minor Software
To: spdcc!rdonahue
Subject:   Alive and Well on an XT

Hi!

	Well after 2 1/2 years, it finally came to pass - the address
on my nametag at motss.cons is finally enabled.

	I can't read news - the keys are still to small for my paws
(*don't* ask how I'm typing this - I can't give away all my secrets!),
but I can get e-mail now... (address is below).

	The only news I have to report is that I live in a very big 
basket (referred to in the house as "Waldeaux's big basket")
and I got my very own set of Valkyrie horns which I first fell in
love with at the Denver.con Bear-B-Que (unlike my ward, I am a *slave*
to fashion --- that is anything that comes in a child's 2-4 size!,
Brother Dorrance may talk about fashion accessories, but until
you've done the Valkyrie horn thing, you haven't LIVED!) --- so the
keeper of the other set of horns (and a hoyotoho to you too!)
can sleep easily now...

Real Furry Hugs,
St. Waldeaux of the Ethernet


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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:51:25 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Gary Strand writes:
#  My ideal world would contain no such protections for anyone. If you want to
#  fire me because I'm white, male, and het then that's your right. 

Let me guess. You've never been fired for being a white, het, male,
right? 

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Our Gummint (was Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:30:32 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes (first quoting):
  >>     The hypocracy continues since Pete Williams is the gay
  >>assistant secretary of defense.

 >I like the word "hypocracy", however.  It deserved to
 >be invented if it hadn't already.

Yeah, I think this about says it.  But I want to know if you have to
go to med school before you can register as a Hypocrat.
 
 >P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
 >	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
 >	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
 >	time for him to do it than now.  Four years from now, it
 >	won't be an issue.
Today's NY Times ran it front page, top right, all down the outside
column.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Text:  C0-2 and OR-9
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:41:07 GMT

In article <MeyDIvG00WBK410Qcx@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte
<ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Colorado #2:

>Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Colorado:

>Article 2, of the Colorado Constitution is amended by the addition of Section
>30, which shall state as follows:

>NO PROTECTION STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN, OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION.
>Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor
>any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
>districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance or
>policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices
>or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any
>person or class of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota
>preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination.  This Section of the
>Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing.

Since gay rights legislation always seems to be written using "sexual
orientation" as the operative term, I am wondering to what extent this
law actually has any force.  That is, if a person is protected against
firing on the basis of "sexual orientation", this does not seem to
entail any "minority status" for anyone.  So if a city in Colorado
enacts or has enacted an antidiscrimination measure, on the basis of
"sexual orientation", could it not be argued that this does not mean
that homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, etc. per se
consituted or was the basis of the antidiscrimination claim, but
simply that having some orientation, no matter what, led to problems
on which the claim of discrimination was based?  That is, you don't
say "I was gay, so they fired me", but "My sexual orientation was
different from that of my boss, so he fired me."

Or am I nuts?



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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Tampa
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:43:12 GMT
Organization: NIST

Phone numbers to call in Tampa:

Mayor (who I believe was supportive):  (813)-223-8251
Greater Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce:  (813)-228-7777
Convention and Visitors Bureau:  (813)-223-1111

I called the last two.  The woman at the Chamber of Commerce cut me
off, said thank you, and hung up.

The woman at the Convention Bureau had no reaction, and acted if this
was the first call she had gotten.

Please take time to call them...

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Pumping
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:30:57 GMT

In article <BxJAtI.Mxt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov9.135250.7613@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>>*BIG* *RED* *PUMPS* ???
>
>>That's *JUNGLE RED*, I'll have you know!
>
>Would that be similar to *COME-FUCK-ME RED*?  Thought so.

No, they are known as "Joan Collins Come Fuck Me Pumps" The color doesn't 
matter.



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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Subject: Re: Are there any gay Republicans?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:13:33 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:


>> > Are there any gay Republicans?

>At least one, snookums.  <smooch>

Melon, you've got to be kidding.  I'm not sure whom I pity more: you for your
twisted little mind, or us for having something in common with you.

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From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Leftists Under Every Shrub (Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: Stanford University
	<19921106003718ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
	<1992Nov6.134936.20759@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:04:48

In article <1992Nov6.134936.20759@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 

   In article <19921106003718ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
   ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:

   >If you really want a quintessential example of Uncle Tomism,
   >you need only look in this newsgroup at the various
   >apologists for Clinton's past record of homophobic inaction
   >in his stint as governor of Arkansas.

   I haven't seen any apologies for Clinton's record as governor
   of Arkansas here.  Have you?  When and by whom?

One wonders which part of "Hold your nose and vote for Bill" is
unclear.

- Bob