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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Akira and Lensman 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:30:32 GMT

In article <75214@apple.apple.COM> opstad@Apple.COM (David Opstad) writes:
>
>According to Jeff Lenburg's "Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons," the...

Oh great!  I'm away for a couple days and someone takes over my place as
the encyclopedia quoter! :) :) :)

P.S. The *trick* is not to tell them the source.  It makes you seem, oh so
     knowledgable. :)  Its a handy book, though isn't it?


Say gang what's been going on?  Like I said, I've been away (and will be again).
I am trying to catch up on old articles and not only are a lot of things 
being repeated, but everyone seems in such a foul mood (ok not *everyone*
but there is sure a lot of arguing and flaming).  Anyone who has been 
unfortunate enough to start a debate with me knows I like to discuss things to
death, but there's a *lot* of cruel remarks floating around out there (trust
me when you go over 300 articles in an afternoon, you start to notice the
trends).  I wish I hadn't missed so much good discussion, but things are 
getting ugly.  I know a lot of you are good debaters, don't let anyone's
snide remarks bring you down.  After all we're not regular people, we're
*animation fans*! :)



Akira has been mentioned recently.  Could someone give me a rough idea of the
story of this and Lensman (nothing to spoil them just a broad basis).  On the
advice of Conty and others, I'm attempting to broaden my horizons with a
little anime and have heard of these now and again.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- ...fortunately I keep my feathers numbered for just such an emergency.
From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: christmas specials
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:47:59 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <1992Dec19.1476.5952@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:


>     But in addition to talking about the best animated Christmas
>specials, I want to talk about are some of the WORST animated
>Christmas specials - and Lord knows we've seen a lot of them.


Three words: Yogi's First Christmas.  A more merry mockfest there isn't. I've
watched it every year since it debuted (in the 70s?) and every year it seems
more and more inane.  I hope it runs forever...
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: AKIRA the movie
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:14:32
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:16:01 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:16:01 GMT, njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer) said:

> I just saw it 2 days ago and thought the animation was EXCELLENT, but as
> you said I noticed plot/story problems too.

njs> I just saw AKIRA recently, also.  What plot/story problems were
njs> there?  Maybe I was asleep at the helm, or something.  I am
njs> usually pretty sensitive to plot errors myself and I didn't
njs> notice any.  So, what were they?

If you read the comics, you would see how drastic the plot and
sub-plots differ from the movie. But you just can't fit a 33+ comic
epic into a 2-hour film. If you can read the comics. 

--
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  04:20:20

>  I won't even mention the junk from Central Park Media...

 EK> Actually, CPM is releasing GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES, one of the films I
 EK> recommended earlier.  They're supposed to come out with it sometime
 EK> in '93.
 I have aplogized earlier for being so harsh on Central Park Media in an
earlier post.  I do hope they will release more titles like this instead of
making fools of themselves with Project A-Ko or the "I Give My All" fiasco
though.

--- Maximus 2.00
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Inspector Gadget X-mas
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:45:54 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

In <1992Dec10.090702.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <Bys4G5.2HA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>> Well, I must say I was highly disappointed with the Inspector Gadget
>> X-mas special. The animation was lousy and the voices (with the
>> exception of Don Adams and Frank Welker) were wrong. Penny's voice
>   And even worse, no Haim Saban/Shuki Levy music! :-(  You can't have
>Inspector Gadget without the proper music!

Hear, hear!

Tim Pickett

PS who did Frank Welker do?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Keane-imation  (Was: Poor writing in anime)
Organization: University of Minnesota
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:49:31 GMT

Robert Cook (cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>
>Maybe you haven't looked at enough of Glen Keane's work.  Some great
>examples are the bear fight in The Fox and the Hound, the battle
>between Ratigan and Basil in The Great Mouse Detective, Marahute the
>eagle in The Rescuers Down Under, and Beast in Beauty and the Beast.
>Look at the power and the movement--he's one of Disney's best, IMHO.

I have seen as much of Mr. Keane's work as you have, and I can say that
most of the above examples are not good ones.  The bear in FOX AND HOUND,
Ratigan in MOUSE DETECTIVE, and the Beast all show a lack of form and
weight.  Ratigan, especially, looks like a blob of jelly rolling around
on a pair of toothpics.  The Beast never really moves well, and only looks
good when he pauses (i.e., in a "held" cel).  This is usually true of
Keane's other work (while Marahute was one of his better characters,
one of his other characters in RESCUERS DOWN UNDER, Cody, "goes
flat" in several scenes--just look at his face immediately after Marahute
kocks him off the cliff).  One of the most important aspects of animation,
especially Disney animation, is to convey a sence of mass and weight.  Glen
Keane is often put in charge of animating "big" characters, but he doesn't
succeed at it (his work probably wouldn't be as good as it is if not
for the army of clean-up artists who work for him).

>As for his *human* (or mermaid) characters, such as Ariel (The
>Little Mermaid) and Aladdin, they admittedly look second-rate.  But
>let's not make too broad a statement about his skills.

People are always making broad statements about Keane's skills, but they're
usually along the lines of what a great animator he is supposed to be.  He's
a good animator, but not a great one.

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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Sherlock Hound (was defending animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 13 Dec 92  10:41:56

JJ>The Sherlock Hound tapes should be easy to find.
JJ>The Job Lot/pushcart closeout stores in NY/NJ 
JJ>had them for about $4.
JJ>Kay Bee toys was closing them out for $7.
JJ>But these are the 6 hr mode ones, not the 2 hour mode ones
JJ>you can rent in the video stores.
 Thankks for the information on where to find them... I think I also heard
some people mentioning Kay Bee toys as a place to find them.  Do you know the 
name of the company putting out Sherlock Hound?  I might be able to find it at 
my local video store (they carry 3 different areas of animation).  I think
I'll check Kay Bee also and see if they have any left in stock.  

--- Maximus 2.00
From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animation)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:14:28 GMT
Organization: None what-so-ever
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <n11f5t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> CC>  I don't like a lot of the anime heores/heroines cause I find it a 
> CC> tad hard to relate to such youngsters, and the big-eyed waif look
> CC> is rather a turnoff. But the eyes are the windows of the soul, and
> CC> highly expressive; consider them a superstimuli, if you will :)
> This is what turns many people off to anime.  When people think about anime, 
>they think about those saucer-eye characters with all those white specs.   It 
>is not the big eyes, otherwise there would be TONS of complaints about Disney 
>eyes in "BatB" and "Aladdin" but rather the # of white specs.  If the biggest 
>offending animators in Japan who draw up the characters with a large # of
>white specs would cut down to just 1 white spec per eye, I think more people
>won't be as turned off to anime and they would still have the highly
>expressive large eye.  The thing you can't do is to put so many white specs it 
>seems the eye as multiple eyeballs/pupils.  That is what people are turned off 
>by.
>--- Maximus 2.00

AHHHH!!!! BAKA BAKA!!! I don't think about the number of specks in their eyes
when I think of anime. In fact, I had never noticed, that is, I had never CARED
until you forced us to look. I think most people really don't care about the 
number of reflections in the eyes of anime characters. So stop trashing on anime
because of this one aspect!!!!! I don't trash on the Simpsons because they only
have 4 fingers (which is a lot worse than reflections in eyes!). My God, I 
am getting sick of reading your posts. Am I going to have to learn how to make
a KILL file just to put you in it!? I've been reading this group for about 3 
years, and I never considered making a kill file. But you are pushing it! This
thread has run it's course and is starting to get annoying. I just read a post
where you trashed on Vampire Princess Miyu, get real! I don't know where you 
came from, but go back! This group was much more peacefull when you weren't 
posting thousands of useless articles. Actually, I really don't want to learn
how to make a kill file, so if someone has one made (and I am sure someone has
a Kill file for ol' Kev) could you mail/post it. Hopefully, when I come back
from break, this thread will be gone.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Popularity of anime soundtracks (was Re: Kevin-style...)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:25:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.anime

In article <n118bt@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  Which brings me to a question?  I know many songs from many hit Japanimation 
> features are on CD and fans like to buy these CD (soundtracks).  Just like
> people now are buying the Aladdin soundtrack big time.  I was wondering if 
> any one particular song in Japanimation got so popular that it was heard
> all over the place on Japan radio (i.e. hit radio over there) and so
> forth and/or release on single and made top 10 for that single.

All the time.  Just mention "Noriko Sakai" over at rec.arts.anime and
watch the hordes of drooling fanboys.  ^_^

To Steve Pearl (in rec.arts.anime):
What was the most popular anime song?  "Ai Oboete<whatever>" from the
Macross movie?

[Personally, I think Japanese pop music sucks dingo's kidneys,
 but then again I think ALL pop music sucks dingo's kidneys... :^)]
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:41:33 GMT

In article <n11f7t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  BB> [Happy CD-ROM owner browses through video games.  SUDDENLY! his eyes
>  BB> bulge out as they graze across a cover!]  "Good lord, what's this?!
>  BB> They look like...like...cartoons!  With big eyes!  With funky white
>  BB> specs in them!  AIIIIIIIEEEEE!!!"  [His brain twisting spastically,
>  BB> the CD-ROM drive owner promptly sells off his CD-ROM drive in order to
> 
>  Don't believe me, eh? :)

No.

> Seriously, I have seen a lot of angry TURBO CD
> users who are tired of all the saucered-eye cartoons they get
> for animation on their games.
> And tired of girls who fight in battle in junk like "Valis".
> Many of them who are selling their Turbo unit and CD!!!

Define "many" and "a lot".  Last time I saw a discussion in rec.games.video,
it was YOU against a bunch of people who liked Valis.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler)
Subject: Re: Humans in Transformers
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:23:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.104519.16876@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:
>In <1g8nejINN677@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>
>
>>Does anyone remember the names of the kid and his dad who hung around
>>with the Autobots?  Also any names for the other people who showed up
>>from time to time.  Thanks in advance,
>>Linda
>>P.S.  This is for the show before the movie.  I lost interest after that,
>>because I never saw the movie so the later episodes lost me.  Oh well.
>
>The father: Sparkplug
>The kid: Spike
>Also, Spike's girlfriend (?Carly?) showed up from time to time, and those kids
>that were in the two "New York" episodes.
>
>Can't remember any other humans that played in more than one episode...
>
>B.A.

And then when little Spikey grew up, he had a son named Danny.  

'nuff said

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animation)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:05:19 GMT

In article <BzBAtA.AFG@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>  I don't like a lot of the anime heores/heroines cause I find it a 
> tad hard to relate to such youngsters, and the big-eyed waif look
> is rather a turnoff.
> And the shivering specks really
> bother me too; one stylistic feature which doesn't seem
> to work too well, IMHO.

I deliberatly deleted everything in this post that in any way defended the wide
eye look in order to make a point:  Kevin, please read this and see how to
politely express your feelings about disliking something like this.  Connie
basically agrees with you, but goes about saying so in a much nicer manner.
Since style-preferences of this nature are personal, this is really the only
way to say something like this.

 ________    _______              _
|______  |  |_____  |            | |    | Nippon no anime wa ichi-ban desu!
      / /         | |  _  _   _  |  \   |   Hey, man, I _like_ Robotech.
     /  \         | | |_||_| / / |   \  |----------------------------------
    / /\ \   _____| |   ____/ /  | |\ \ |   Sukotto Miraa/Scott Miller
   /_/  \_\ |_______|  |_____/   |_| \/ |      ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:07:45 GMT
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center

In article <n11b1t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
#  Animation in my opinion is something special (afterall it take lots and lots 
# of drawn pictures to do a feature) and it is sad when they have to draw up
# prono animation (especailly lesbians) or make junk with lots of blood and gore
# without redeming value.

Animation is not something special.  This reasoning is why you don't
have many different kinds of animation in America..

#  Companies like AnimEigo need to realize this and bring out more quality
# animation titles out.

Because many people in America think animation is special,
companies will only bring out certain genres, that they think will sell.
Your way of thinking is killing the animation market..

--
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Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Megatron vs Galvatron
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:30:11 GMT

In article <Dec.12.00.29.30.1992.4043@busboys.rutgers.edu> fjohnson@busboys.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson) writes:
>vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>
>>In article <RGM.92Dec7041506@cory.Berkeley.EDU> rgm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Menke) writes:
>
>>>Maybe the problem lies with defining "death."  Does it mean a complete
>>>personality software erase, or just the inability to operate the body?
>>>Oooh, ghost in the machine.  Descartes would've loved it.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	This made me go "Hmmm..." as I thought that was the title of a
>series episode in which Starscream's ghost temporarily possesses
>Cyclonus (Galvetron's bearded lieutenant), strikes a deal with
>Unicron, and attempts to connect said with Cybertron.
>
>>>(On VGR's side:  in "Starscream's Ghost," Octane hides behind
>>>Thundercracker's marker, so the Decepts consider them "dead.")
>
>	You mean the title wasn't "Ghost in the Machine"??

Starscream's ghost first appears in "Starscream's Ghost". I think all he
did was run around and inhabit other people's bodies to bug Galvatron.
You'd think he would have been happier inhabiting Galvatron's body,
as this would make the best revenge. I also don't remember why he
didn't simply permanently inhabit someone else's body. "Ghost in
the Machine" is the episode where Unicron gives Starscream a new body.
A friend and I could never agree on whether Starscream is killed again
by Galvatron at the end, but it probably is a moot point because Starscream
never shows up again.
-- 

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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  02:58:34

 MM> Personally, I see ANIME as just a fad that is destined to die out
 MM> in the US unless the *good stuff* (which Mr. Conty and others have
 MM> mentioned) becomes more available in English-
 MM> subtitled or dubbed formats.  

 MM> The mediocre stuff that anyone can get in your local comic store or
 MM> video place is just not going to last.  Even though the average 
 MM> consumer is typically a cultural moron, well written, well animated,
 MM> meaningful shows will always be more successful in the
 MM> long run.
 Anime will probably be a fad that will die out if they keep dumping the
"girls with guns" trash out here like they are now.  But maybe that will
change and we will get the better anime over here (and maybe the "girls with
guns" trash will die out all together).  
 Well written and well animated shows will be more successful in the long
run... This is a bit off but remember last year when "The Addams Family" movie 
outgrossed "Beauty and the Beast" but "Beauty and the Beast" eventually
outgrossed "The Addams Family" overall?  ("The Addams Family" had outgrossed
"Beauty and the Beast" by a good margin the 1st week that is).
 Then again, most people will not always go for the best product or best
made... I mean look at music these days!!!

--- Maximus 2.00
From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Bakshi's "Mighty Mouse"--"Scrappy's Field Trip"
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:11:44 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1gd5o4INN8ej@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F.
Drushel) writes:
>
>       At least I think that's what the episode title was...I had forgotten
>about this one since I saw it first in 1987.  Did you see the Fredosaur and
>Barneysaur fighting it out like "The Rite of Spring" part of "Fantasia"?
>The Fredosaur even babbled some "Yabba-dabba-doo" in its gibberish roar,
>and the Barneysaur threw in some of Mel Blanc's "A-hee-hee, A-hee-hee"
>laugh when he was being tickled.  Not to mention the obvious swipe at
>Kubrick's "2001" with the Black Domino Obelisk"...
>

Also, wasn't the egg of a "Barberasaur" (or did I just mishear it)?  And it may
just be me, but I was watching the Jailhouse Blues Ren&Stimpy the same day as I
watched the Mighty Mouse and I could have sworn there was Fred and/or Barney in
the jail cell in the background... well just in case anybody cared... it did go
by pretty quickly though...

Bobby Tribble  |8')
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:14:32 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: Thunderbirds, FAB

In <1992Dec15.173056.852@cid.aes.doe.CA> ynecgan@cid.aes.doe.CA (Greg Neill) writes:

>Hello,
>  I'm not certain that this is the appropriate forum for this question,
>but I here goes anyways.
>
>  The "Supermarionation" series "Thunderbirds" has recently begun
>airing in my viewing area.  The characters frequently use the term
>"F.A.B." (pronounced eff-eh-bee), when conducting dialog over their 
>radios, and it usually comes as an acknowledgment to an accepted order 
>or suggested course of action.  The question is, what does F.A.B. stand
>for? 

Some time ago, they talked about this on BBC's "Points of View", and they
showed a part of an interview with one of the creators, and she said that it
just meant "fabulous".

		Boris Ammerlaan

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: A horrible confession!!!!!!!!!!11
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:38:13 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

rjung@sal-sun43.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) wrote in
<1g5cp1INN70@sal-sun43.usc.edu>:

|   Yeah, why? Heck, I sing it while wandering the halls at work. Even get a few
| co-workers to chime in, occassionally. I'd probably have no problems doing it
| with karaoke, either.

Beats me.  I sing it only when I'm alone.  Then I sing the lyrics I posted to
it.  Then I do the late PDS lyrics.  Those in "Two-Tone Town" and the version
and a half in "Wonderful TT Christmas Special" are more punishment than I
deserve, so I stop there.

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