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From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:54:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 10-Oct-92 Re:
Pessimism by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
> "Practical purposes" is quite sufficient when your talking culture or
> sociology.  However, in tracing genetic lineage, relations run much
> deeper.  And again, there are southerners who are certain of their
> white racial purity and then cross to have a black child.

I meant outside the US... there's a gang of "white" people walking
around in Europe... especially in the Scandanavian countries....

DCAL
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Apportioning blame
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:27:29 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Sep29.171932.17611@midway.uchicago.edu> tuff@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

# The reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people
# who started in a low-income bracket will end up in one. The
# majority of people who started in a middle-class situation will end
# up in a middle-class position; and the majority of the people who
# start in an upper- class situation will end up in one. This is a
# reality.

The question is why.

The easy answer is that the door is shut.  But the fact that some
people make it across that class boundary -- and that blacks from
other cultures cross even more often -- indicates that that's not the
whole story.

Certainly part of the problem is that people from low-income areas
simply don't know how to act and don't know what's expected of them in
middle-class jobs.  Their families can't teach them, because *they*
don't know.  What are often called "job skills" -- promptness, some
self-direction, an appropriate level of deference to bosses and to
customers, etc. -- have to be taught.  The problem is worse for blacks
than for poor whites because of the perception that these skills
involve "acting white" and because following orders is often perceived
as subservience.

What would happen if someone with a little money -- Cosby, Jordan,
whoever -- set up an integrated training school and placement service
for inner city kids?  Imagine being able to call an employer and say,
"I've got a kid here who I can guarantee.  If he doesn't work out for
one reason or another, I'll replace him myself.  And I'm available to
provide further training, help mediate disputes, etc."

David
From: r3atm@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Abeselom T Maasho 3460-457-801.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Daughters of the dust
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:05:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.040548.2292
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio


     I just got back from seeing the movie Daughters of the dust.  It is
too sad that here at school only few people came to see it.  If anybody
has the movie  taped or something please let me know.   I know that I
read a lot of posting about this film here on the net some time back It
would be nice if more people express their view about it.  It is very
nice to see a film like this for a change.  As an African, It is nice to
see how the family
held on listening the advice of their Grandmother
wisdom because that is how things are done in Africa (Respect the
elderly for they know better) .  I kind of wished
that the family did not leave the island in the end.  Anyway I just had
to share this.

Abeselom 
r3atm@vax1.cc.uakron.edu      
r3atm@vm1.cc.uakron.edu  --- pls if reply use this address. Thanks
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:56:01 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh

Source: AUSA News, October 1992, Vol 14 No 9.
Washington-DC.  History became a current event recently when top military
leaders gathered at the Pentagon to unveil a replica of the Buffalo Soldiers
monument. The monuments original version recently was dedicated at Fort
Leavenworth, KS.  

On hand for viewing the replica were representatives of units whose exploits
during the "Old West" earned their black soldiers the Indian-coined nickname
"Buffalo Soldiers'"

Among represenatives were Jones Morgan, 107, of the 10th Cavalry Regiment and
Percy Jones, 100, of the 9th Cavalry Regiment.

In his opening remarks during the ceremony, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Gordon R.
Sullivan said that the monument and its now-Pentagon-based replica of a
horse-mounted black soldier is meant "...to honor a group of soldiers who
served their country selflessly."

Gen Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and prime mover in the
monument's creation, said that the monuments serves to "...inspire us by the
spirit of the Buffalo Soldier. With every sacrifice, America's black soldiers
moved a little ahead in gaining recognition for their devotion and
achievements," Powell noted.

He depicted the monument as "a symbol for the entire country" --one which can
help unite society in coping with racial conflict.

Also attending the historic ceremony was AUSA President Gen. Jack N. Merritt,
USA Ret, who represented the Association and its members.
--------------------end of article------------------------------------

Just thought someone might be interested.


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: "Lloyd T Jones" <tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:14:25 -0500

dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 12-Oct-92 Re:
>Interracial Dating by Lloyd T Jones@moose.cs.i 
>> think Whites were the only ones to practice it.  In fact, it was
>mostly Blacks
>>  in
>> Africa that sold other Blacks into slavery.  Should we hate those
>tribes, if w
>> e
>> can find out who they were?

>Silly and abviously ignoring history.

	Exactly my point.  Silly and obviously ignoring history to act like
slavery only happened here, and that African Blacks had nothing to do with,
nor practiced slavery.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: A new soc.culture board
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:40:19 GMT

Yall?  You know what's needed?  A black women's board.  How about
soc.culture.black.women...so we can dish, trash, love, hate and do
whatever is right for us-en, and then bring it to this board for the
brothers.
.
Of course, this is wishful thinking aloud...
From: hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:33:03 GMT
	<HANS.92Oct5155640@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> <1at04hINN6m5@uwm.edu>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


In <1at04hINN6m5@uwm.edu> price@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory Neil Price):

> What's the point? A good civil society must have a death penalty.
> In fact, one could argue that a (civil) society with a death penalty
> is a good one. Considerations of racial disparities in death sentences
> are  purely sentimental, nor do they completely reveal   how fair
> and just a society is--- A Fair and Just Society must have a Death
> Penaly. (Otherwise how many strongmen would join, or continue  to
> live in it?) 


Do we want a society with "strongmen" ? How many do we want ? Why
should there be "strongmen" at all ? [ Somehow, Nietzsche seems to
rear his head in Greg Price's posting.]

More importantly: are "considerations of racial disparities" purely
sentimental ? To put it sligthly differently: Can we really discuss
ethics without involving emotions ?  I think not.


- Hans (a sentimental European)
--
Hans H{\"u}ttel                          - hans@iesd.auc.dk  
Mathematics and Computer Science
Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajersvej 7E,
9220 Aalborg, DENMARK                     Ad slagne veje ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:31:20 GMT

In article <1b4nnqINN3s4@agate.berkeley.edu>,
ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.161131.5498@morrow.stanford.edu>
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>What else is also harder to pick out are black folk who "passed"
>>into the white race both during and after slavery. "Many thousands
>>gone" is an apt description.  White folks are not as white as they
>>think they are. Some great-grand, self-hating relative might have
>>been black, but one wouldn't know it to see pictures.  Sometimes
>>their children showed "throwback;" some people wisely refused to
>>have children because of the threat of exposure.
>
>One of the persistent biological myths reflected in these stories is
>the commonly held belief that a white-light black marriage might produce
>dark, even black, children.  While two individuals of mixed ancestry can,
>in fact, have children somewhat darker and somewhat lighter than either
>parent, a marriage between a "pure" Causcasoid (whatever that is) and a
>black cannot produce offspring darker than the darker parent.  The myth

(Text deleted for brevity.)

Did I ever mean color when I said "throwback"?  Kinky or curly hair,
negroid features in whitened skin...this is what I mean by
throwback.

>Keep in mind, though, that Africans and Europeans exchanged genes for
>centuries before the discovery and settlement of America.  Therefore,
>there are no pure Caucasians or pure Africans anyway.

True, but try telling that to some white guy in Iowa, Utah or in
Georgia, for example.  Like this black artist sister I read about
who was told, time and again, on a visit to Japan:  "I am racially
pure Japanese!"
.
The way black folk have been "adulterated" so to speak, especially
by involuntary means over the centuries, is the great, untold story.
And white skin privilege is something folks have got to overcome for
their own survival in a world "rapidement" full of colored people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stclair@ldgo.columbia.edu (moanna stclair)
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.030654.2241@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:
>Details:
>I was recently disturbed by a headline that Denver's "biggest" newspaper,
>the Rocky Mountain News, ran on the front page.  It had a picture of a
>newly appointed judge to Colorado's Supreme Court, namely DU law professor
>Gregory Scott, and his family.  Above the picture in large print it said
>"Black named to high court".
>
The only time I think such a thing is necessary, is when they are trying
to prove that  African-Americans are achieving some success despite the 
odds.  For example, Jesse Jackson was the first African-American president
of the U.S.  However, I do notice that most of the time it is used negatively
Take for instance when Jesse Jackson was running for president during 
the 1988 election.  I was going to school at Dartmouth College in N.H.
and all I heard over and over again about Jackson was that he was the 
"Black" presidential candidate.  It was almost as if they couldn't believe
it or they wanted to make sure that everyone knew whose name to eliminate
when they got into the poll booths.  I resent it because most of the time
it is used by the media to group us into that infamous "they" category.  
When was the last time you heard the media report that George Bush, the
white candidate or "so & so, the white rapist" did or say whatever.  
I think that African-Americans are regarded as one big homogenous group
while whites are viewed as individuals.  By the way, since there was
a picture couldn't the readers tell he was African-American?

Athena

From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:34:42 GMT
Subject: Re: All The More Reason To End Welfare
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

	
	Carter writes :
	"The next time you demand the poor to pull themselves
	up by their bootstraps" remember you might be talking about
	your sister or brother."

----------------------------

	Believe me.... my sister and brother are the FIRST people
	I'll tell to 'pull themselves up'.  Getting people to 
	take consistant action toward improving themselves and their
	situation is one of the greatest gifts one might give.  My
	brother and sister would certainly get that gift from me.

	Of course I do not believe that if I simply told them once
	to 'just do it' that it would be enough motivation, I would
	(and have) take action in ways to motivate them to take charge
	of their own lives instead of waiting for someone else (or fate)
	to change their lives for them.

	If either my brother or sister resigned themselves to assistance
	for any extended period of time, I'd slap them into next week.

	-Mike-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gaff@sr.com (Jon Gaff)
Subject: Pan-African Film Festival in L.A. OCT. 15-22
Reply-To: gaff@srhqla.sr.com (Jon Gaff)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:40:04 GMT

Folx in L.A. have probably heard about this already (on the BEAT, for instance)
but for anyone planning on being in L.A. around the middle of Oct. you can check
out this festival at Laemle (sp?) Sunset 5 cinema complex at 8000 Sunset blvd.
in W. Hollywood from Oct. 15-22.  Films are from all over Africa, the Caribbean,
et al. Opening night party is Oct. 15th and is hosted by Danny Glover and
Whoopi Goldberg.  For info, call 213-896-9522.  Tickets to the opening party 
are $25 and are available thru THEATIX or the Marcus Garvey School in L.A.

-- 
Jon Gaff / SilentRadio head tech support bozo.
From: bell@xylogics.com (Darren Bell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Investing in Black Companies
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:51:14 GMT
Organization: Xylogics, Inc.


	Does anyone have a list of black owned businesses that have 
publicly trading stocks.  I am interested in investing in my people.
Please email me or call me.

				Thanks,					
	
					Darren Bell
					Xylogics, Inc.

					1(800) 225-3317 x460
					1(617) 272-8140 x460

					bell@Xylogics.COM
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Date: 8 Oct 1992 05:32:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct7.171149.11823@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>    Irrelevant. Who doesn't know that words CAN have many meanings.
>    Besides, my post was not meant to illicit semantics problems.
>    Get a clue and try another newsgroup like soc.pseudointellectual.

Your post?  It came from aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu NOT cwm54@cas.org.
Well if you wrote it, you should already know that the whole thing was
about semantics and stemmed from a misunderstanding of the useage of
the word "black".  The original poster was reading it as only identifying
dark skin whereas the newspaper instead meant it as an accepted synonym
or shorthand for African American.  To follow the post's line, the test
would not be to substitute another physical feature like "bignose" but
rather another ethnic group like Latino.  As the newspaper used it, "black"
referred to a specific ethnic group, including all perceived physical and
cultural attributes.  Likewise, when Florida growers advertise oranges
they're talking fruit and not just some color.  Now whether we wish to
be known as African Americans and not blacks, is a separate issue.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: vamcnair@eng.auburn.edu (Valerie A. McNair)
Subject: Re:  A Matter of a Will
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:37:05 GMT

In article <9210081117.AA19866@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON) writes:
>Mr. Haley might have intentionally done this. It's not thhe first time.
>Maybe he had too many greedy, ungrateful and intolerable family members.
>Thhe man was too intelligent to come to any other conclusion.
>
>That's one man's opinion and a valid one.
>
>Jeff Thompson

It is a shame that a man of such talents had to have a financial situation like
his.  Why is it that the majority of African American Celebrities end up in
this situation? Or may I rephrase that by saying, why does the media announce
the misfortunes of African Americans?  The answer is obvious.

I personally feel that Mr. Haleys memoirs should be kept in a museum so that
other people can learn about him and the people he associated with.

Val McNair

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:41:26 GMT

In article <Bw0q3A.GAr@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:

>> Supporting them just coz they were blak troops does not hold any water.
>
>Actually a fairly reasonable statement, kept in context.  Of course, does this
>change when considering whether Marion Berry should have been mayor of DC
>because he was a good mayor, or just because he was Black...?

Same goes for supporting a fairly retarded judge like Clarence "Long D. 
Silver" Thomas.

>Actually, by observation I've come to the conclusion that the FASTEST way to 
>become a gibbering idiot is to take the Noamster any more seriously than say,
>Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern....  :)

Comparing Rush Limbaugh to Noam Chomsky would be severely unfair to Rush. 
Methinks Chomsky is smart enough to avoid even the appearence of indulging in
anything that might be construed as the intellectual equivalance of "child
abuse".....



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: trs4742@zeus.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.160945.6668@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes...
>In <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
> 
>>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
>>against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women
>>come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 
>>race.
   Your best bet is to not to talk to someone who is under 12 years old (a boy).
(End of sarcasm) Does being a white = boy,honky, cracker and being 
black = nigger,jig,spearchunker. I hope you get the point. If they are your age,
refer to them as men or yourself as a 22 year-old black boy. I hate to
hear the word boy as much as I hate to hear the word nigger and it would
provoke the same response from me as the "n" word would from you.
	Now to interracial dating. If two people care for each other, it does
not matter what color they are. I've dated black,hispanic, and white women.
If you care for someone, you forget what color, if you even remembered in the
first place, they are. If someone elects to stay within their own race, that is
their business and no one elses and no one should force their views onto others.
	 I did not respond to anger people, but to get a point across.

Peace,
Tim Sebesta
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rating brothers and white guys
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:27:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct15.151333.10106@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.223503.20176@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>Rating some encounters with brothers and white guys.  Not any of
>>these cats are 10s and no names, to protect the guilty.
>>  
    [much deleted]
>>Other commentary re interracial marriage/dating later.
>>
>what are you, a hooker?  "rating some encounters" you say.  what
>happened, you had insufficient bandwidth to transmit an all-inclusive
>list?
> 
What's wrong with you? Do you think the woman should have stuck with the
first guy she happened to meet?  It sounded to me like he was no great
prize and that she's still looking for the right man.  I thought
Gabrielle's post was excellent - it brought the topic off this dogmatic
and theoretical level to show the way interracial dating actually happens
in a person's life and what the results are.  You owe Gabrielle a big
apology.  You sound like one of those guys who divides women into two
categories: saints and whores.

>i mean, not that i wasn't moderately turned on by the explicit salacious
>details of your sexual affairs ...

It sounds to me like you've got a big problem if that post turned you on. 
There was nothing salacious about it.  Maybe you should get out more.

>... incident in which fat pig roxanne ritchie, and gross twig sue gilbert
>[in a 2 page spread; obviously not the only "spreading that these two were
>doing] gave a rating of all the mit guys that they had done...and the newspaper
>published the guys' real names!  

Given the way you feel about women, I hope you're not dating any, whatever
their race.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: interracial dating
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:07:00 GMT

 	Mr. Jones I think there is a difference between enslaving your enemies
(like tribes in Africa) and enslaving innocent people like the europeans.  I'm
suprised that someone with such an education can't tell the difference
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:44:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 11-Oct-92 Re:
Pessimism by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
> ->calling anyone with any African ancestry black, even in a case where
> ->both parents consider themselves white.  I guess parents of such
> ->children should put them up for adoption, so that they won't be
> ->deprived of their cultural heritage, eh?

Just because a child is black and the parents are white is no reason for
the parents to love the child any less... In fact, my brothers both
happen to have red hair and blue eyes and could pass for white easily...
my father doesn't look on them any differently... my mother (being
white) understands that my defining myself as "black" (in truth, I have
little choice because I am perceived as such by society) is no threat to
her...

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american