HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Still looking for FTP site
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:38:55 GMT

Hello, are there any system-type people out there?

I'm still looking for an FTP site where I can deposit the Return of
the Jedi script. Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

					Greg Martin
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:15:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BuKozB.Dz5@mcigate.apdev.mci.com> rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise) writes:
>How about the fact the Ozzel actually screwed up, but Piett didn't.
>Vader isn't stupid.

But what did Needa do to screw up?

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:00:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
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In article <Bu207J.FA0@news.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
> so basically your saying that to use any of the names from a movie or book
> ("the issue of trademark") is illegal so we cant use the names luke sky...
> uh, uh i meant duke cloud skipper or dan loner or even sun battles???

	Yup.  Lucasfilm has trademarked Star Wars (and probably "Jedi" and most
of the major characters' names).  This means that _no one_ can produce anything
that takes advantage of those names without written permission from Lucasfilm.
This is not limited to strictly moneymaking enterprises, either; Lucasfilm
would go after someone _giving away_ unauthorized Star Wars t-shirts as fast as
they would go after someone selling them.

This is because trademarks must be aggressively defended, or they will be lost. 
Major league baseball and football teams, and icons like the University of
Notre Dame spend millions of dollars a year getting cease-and-desist orders
passed against people who make unauthorized use of their trademarked logos.

Anecdotally long ago (details fuzzy), the original manufacturers of Aspirin
lost their trademark on the word aspirin, because they did not aggressively
defend it, and the court decreed that the word had passed into common use.
Today, if you use the words Xerox or Kleenex in print without indicating that
they are registered trademarks, as in "Today I got a xeroxed flier from a woman
in New Bedford Montana...", you will get a letter from the appropriate lawyers
informing you that Xerox or whatever is a proprietary word.

To haul this back to Star Wars, I hope Lucasfilm never learns about the 
"shareware" story author, because they'll haul him into court so fast it'll
make his head spin.

On the other hand, we on this BBS can talk about Luke Skywalker all we want
under the protection of free speech.  Fanfic's probably illegal, though,
even if it's free.
-- 
"I don't know what the world may need/But a V8 engine's a good start for me.   
Think I'll drive and find a place to be surly."--Cracker, "Teen Angst"         
  
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: canon
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8862]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.130520.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.150032.6248@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig") writes:
>> It's good to hear someone with a sensible viewpoint for once. I myself love
>> absolutely anything to do with Star Wars, and it annoys me just a teensy wee
>> bit to hear other Star Wars fans not liking something cause it's not 'canon'.
>> Who the hell chose that word anyway??
>
>I have NO idea. Probably some Trekker (actually, Trekkie). That's the 
>first place I ever saw it used, at any rate, and it irritated the hell 
>out of me. I was always under the impression that "canon" was a sytle of 
>music used commonly in the classics, eg. "Canon and Fugue in D Minor". It 
>took me a few months to figure out what THEY meant by "canon". Matta ne.
>
	People, please!  The term 'canon' has been around MUCH longer than
either "Star Wars," or "Star Trek."  Much, MUCH longer:

	can-on n. - 1) An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a
church council. 2) A secular law, rule, or code of law. 3) A basis for judge-
ment; standard; criterion. [skipping a few...] 8) An athoritative list,
as of the works of an author..

	Obviously, definition number eight is the one in operation here.  
The word itself is derived from the Latin word 'canon' meaning 'measuring line' 
or 'ruler.'  It, in turn, is from the Greek 'Kanon' meaning 'rod' or 'ruler.'

	And yes, it DOES have a seperate meaning musically, but it's essentially
unrelated. 

	And just to add my 2 cents to the commentary... No one (or at least
no one with any sense) is attempting to tell any other person in these
news groups what they may or may not read or may or may not enjoy.  Pretty
self-evident, huh?  I thought so until I skimmed a few hostile articles.  
The folks atempting to decide canon are having their fun by deciding
chronologies, plot lines and other story aspects that are not benefited
by dozens of conflicting tales.  Therefore, if for no other purpse than
there own, they must discard some Star Trek or Star Wars universe events
so that others may be allowed to occur.  This is, I might add, Lucas's very
situation.
	SF fandom has always thrived upon the scrutanization of meticulous
detail.  Most fans are pretty obsesive folks (hence the term FANATIC)
and details concern them (BTW, I include myself in this group).  Questions
of canon are simply an expression of this.  And arguing over details is
one of the things that has always made SF fandom so stimulating and fun.
	If creative and intellectual argument is not to your taste then
don't worry about it.  But realize it IS to the taste of a good many
fans.
	The soapbox has been put back in the closet...


	Enjpo'


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Derek Toten
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars big obvious blooper!!!!
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:14:48 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

julie@skatter.usask.ca wrote:
: And incidentally, in the script at that point Luke says... NOTHING!  Big
: help eh?

Must have been sort of a spontaneous ad-lib. But if he *was* saying
"Carrie" -- and I never picked up on it if he did -- *SOMEONE*
would have heard it and edited it. 

I also believe the stormtrooper hitting his head was intentionally
left in. :)

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo Strikes Back)
Subject: Re: Info about Return of the Jedi script
Organization: Lucasfilm
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:03:50 GMT
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In article <BuFoqv.2st@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
> This post gives information about the Return of the Jedi script that will
> be posted to this group.

	I don't want particularly to be a harpy or anything, but posting the 
script is illegal.
	Insert ominous "IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET" remark.
	Someone attempted to post the text of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
to alt.fan.douglas-adams a while back.  He lost net.access.  
	rec.arts.erotica is moderated in part so that no one posts copyrighted 
material to it.
-- 
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--Laurence Sterne                                                              
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: Dolls
Originator: cmgeorg@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:50:30 GMT



>	Can anyone out there give me some information on the following:
>
>	Two Star Wars "dolls," one is Darth Vader, the other is a StormTrooper.
>DV is about 15 inches tall, the ST is about an inch shorter.  Unfortunatly
>I don't have weapons for either, but Darth has his original cape.  I'd
>like to know: A) What kinds of weapons did they have? Did Darth have a 
>LightSaber? The ST has a string which looks like it was once used as some
>sort of a gun holster.  Thanks

Darth Vader came with a cape and a red lightsabre

Stormtrooper came with only a laser rifle.  The string IS the holster.


PleasePleasePlease, as just a helpful suggestion, don't go off the deep end 
and find a book that lists high values for these and think you've hit oil.
You haven't.  These are  *SO* common in this condition.

Remember:  Boxes, Mint, Boxes, Boxes, Boxes....


Disclaimer:  If you never intended on doing such a thing and you only wanted to 
             know what was missing, then disregard the above comment.  But
             forgive me  because I deal with this a LOT!

Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Auction #2 update
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <18pdsjINNrtp@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>Here is an update for the auction #2.
>

Whoops! That should be.

>
>Luke in Battle Poncho. #1  $30
>Luke in Battle Poncho. #1  $30
>Luke in Battle Poncho. #1  $30
>Luke in Battle Poncho. #1  $30


I only have 4 Lukes not 5.
All previous bids are holding.

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:32:08 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: StarWars to Jedi & Episode 1
 <18dr0jINNhp1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

In article <18dr0jINNhp1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
says:
>
>Please, people, just because it's aired on PBS doesn't mean it's legal
>to copy.  We are generally a little looser about things that we tape off
>the TV, but it's still really not legal.

Well, actually it would have been legal for him to have taped if off of
PBS's original broadcast for his own personal use, but only that *once.*
He cant legally copy it from there, no matter who bought the blank tape,
and yes, this was very much discussed to death over the summer.  Anyone
care to post a summary so we can cut this off at the head before it boils
into another flamewar again?

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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Adm. Piett
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:38:32 GMT

In <1992Sep11.185827.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>			I just got the RotJ sourcebook from West End Games
>today and the theory alluded to in there (which I like) is that Vader's sparing
>of Piett is an extremely early example of Vader coming of to the good side...
>the first hint that there's goodness in him.

That would make sense, especially if you assume that a great deal of
Vader's evil was due to Palpatine's influences.  If Vader hadn't been
to see his Emperor for quite a while, maybe...
--
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Jurassic Park update
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:56:53 GMT

For what its worth....

I don't know how many people saw it, but Steven Spielberg was
repeatedly interviewed about the state of the J.P movie because it is
currently filming in Hawaii, and they got caught in the Hurricane this
week. I saw the clip on CNN about a dozen times.

Everyone is fine. They all waited it out in a hotel ballroom or
something like that.

Michael
From: v105r6we@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (VAMPIRE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Vader's name
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I know this is an old thread, and I didn't follow it closely when it started,
but an idea occurred to me the other day. Perhaps the Sith are a dark side
version of the Jedi. That would explain Vader being Dark Lord of the Sith.
Just a thought.
                                              Da Blisster
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Auction #2:Update #4
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:46:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: koh-sun7.usc.edu

The current bids are:

        C-3PO w/ removable limbs #11 $25
        C-3PO w/ removable limbs #1  $25
        C-3PO w/ removable limbs #1  $25
        C-3PO w/ removable limbs #8  $22

        Luke Skywalker in battle Poncho #8  $35
        Luke Skywalker in battle Poncho #11 $35
        Luke Skywalker in battle Poncho #10 $32
        Luke Skywalker in battle Poncho #1  $30

The above figures are in Power of the Force cards (the one with the coin)
and are in mint+ condition. No price tag marks and rack punch outs are
still intact.
When 3 days have passed with no bid fluctuation, the figures are sold.
So far these are still live items so there are least 3 days more.
Please include postage in all bids i.e. $30 includes
figure AND shipping.

To bid, email me and place a bid. You will receive an ID #. Look for
the ID # next to the items to see if you are a current bidder.


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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and self-levitation
Keywords: Jedi levitation
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:24:44 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Sep4.170554.4666@pyra.co.uk> you write:
>Good folks,
>
>Someone (was it you Jules ?) posted recently asking if anyone
>could recall if any of those versed in the Force demonstrated
>powers of self-levitation.
>
>Well, I can't recall any offhand, although I do wonder how on
>Earth (well, Bespin actually) Luke  manages to fall away from
>his confrontation  with  Vader  in TESB, straight into one of
>those vent-type things. Was this Luke playing with gravity, a
>limited form  of self-levitation, or do those vents just suck
>rather hard ?
>
>I'd be intrigued to have your ideas on this.

 I always thought those vents are part of the Tibana (sp?) Gas mining
method. Tibana Gas is allowed to accumelate in the core of the cloud
city (the giant shaft Luke fell {jumped} into). It is then sucked
(rather hard) into vents for extraction by mining equipment. When a
foreign object (like Luke) is sensed inside the vents, an automatic
trapdoor opens to rid the system of it. 

- What do you guys think?

Dan Shoham
shoham@ll.mit.edu
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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Book due in Nov.
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:48:18 GMT

In <1992Sep14.160037.551@wam.umd.edu> myleslee@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward) writes:
>In article <kinezct@Unify.Com> news@Unify.Com (news admin) writes:
>> The FAQ refers to a stand-alone book to be released ~ Nov this year. (I  
>forget
>> the author) Does anyone know anything about it?  
>> From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
>> Path: dbrus!tsv
>Could be the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook due in November for RPG but I  
>guess that wouldn't be stand alone.

Not technically, no.  If you have the RPG, though, you wouldn't need
any of the other books to run a post-Empire campaign (except possibly
the Heir to the Empire Sourcebook).
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Luke and self-levitation
Keywords: Jedi levitation
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.232444.4321@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

> I always thought those vents are part of the Tibana (sp?) Gas mining
>method. Tibana Gas is allowed to accumelate in the core of the cloud
>city (the giant shaft Luke fell {jumped} into). It is then sucked
>(rather hard) into vents for extraction by mining equipment. When a
>foreign object (like Luke) is sensed inside the vents, an automatic
>trapdoor opens to rid the system of it. 
>
>- What do you guys think?

I think it sounds pretty good, myself.  I had always wondered if there
was any logical rationale behind all of the things that happened in
that scene.  You seem to have provided one-- whether the folks at 
Lucasfilm thought about it or not.  

Lucky thing tibanna gas isn't highly toxic. =)



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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Lando Calrissian - DEAD???
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:24:00 GMT

In article <Bu1Du4.IAu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.192331.810@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>> Just how was Lando and the MF supposed to die.  Did they not make it out
>> of DS2 or were ambushed after they got out.  Wait...I may have just answered
>> my own question, though not clearly!> 
> 
> I think they weren't supposed to have made it out of the DS in time...take a
> look at that sequence again; the editing looks pretty shoddy.  Lando's and
> Nien Nunb's whooping and hollering is pretty generic, and looks like it might
> have come from another point (the lowering of the shields, maybe?).  Haven't
> seen RotJ in a while (Blasphemy!) so the memory is fuzzy.
> 
> The Walrus
>
From: kachun@spot.Colorado.EDU (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: FAQ - NEW VERSION!!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:22:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>>         Further debate of this on rec.arts.sf.starwars and examination
>>         of the scene on some very high quality video equipment has led to
>>         the conclusion that this is NOT actually a tennis shoe but rather
>>         a blurred image of a Mon Calamari ship of some type.  The blue
>>         Nike-ish logo is actually docking ports or something on the side
>>         of the ship.  The rumor of a tennis shoe in Return of the Jedi
>>         still persists but apparently noone has managed to locate it yet.

>I searched for this one myself. I remember seeing an interview with an ILM 
>techie once where he said that yes this is true. So I know it's there, but I 
>can't find it. 
>	My opinion is is that it can't be found on video because, and this 
>is the key: It has been cut out of the frame. We all know that ROTJ was 
>filmed in 2.35:1 aspect ratio, or wide screen. Sometimes called "Scope" 
>well, I feel that the offending sneaker is towards the edge of the frame on 
>the wide screen and has been cropped out of the video version. Perhaps 
>someone with a widescreen LD could actually find it, although I bet it's 
>pretty small. I think the guy in the interview said it was in the shot 
>through the Millenium Falcon's windshield (?) where all of the TIEs go 
>whizzing by.

For some reason, I thought it was in the shot where Wedge blasts out of the
Death Star right before it explodes, and you see a line of rebel cruisers
against the backdrop of the Sanctuary Moon.  Never could find it, though.

>Jeff Jonsson
>Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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>-- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
>-- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: "Delta Source"
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:45:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep8.214550.1343
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I think the mysterious Delta Source is the Chief Bothan (sorry, can't
remember name right now)...Makes perfect sense, that the same person who
tries to discredit an Alliance hero would also be an imperial spy....if the
price was right.....

Dave
From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:31:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

	The latest Lucasfilm Fan Club Magazine will be out at the end of
this month.  It is supposed to contain an interview with Lucas in which
all the questions of new SW Films (eg release & production dates) will
be answered.  If this is true, we can finally end all this bickering over
when the new films will be out (1993 v. 1997).  So to those who care, be
patient...it'll only be a couple of weeks before we know.   And after
nine years of waiting, two weeks isn't that bad.

	Also, unless someone else wishes, when I receive my copy I'll
give a basic overview of what Lucas had to say.


	On another note, someone questioned the reference to a stand alone
novel to be released in November...I believe this is the infamous Kenneth
Flint Novel which details events from ROTJ to HTTE (supposedly). 
	Also, the sourcebook for Dark Force Rising will also be released
in November...at least that's what it says in the HTTE Sourcebook.

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