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From: praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson)
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:45:21 GMT

	Don't forget that Bibbo has the super-power of having an
unbelievably hard head. How hard is it?
	Once, some thug literally broke a baseball bat in 2 over Bibbo's
head.
	Once he got knocked in the noggin' with a bar stool -  by LOBO!
This did knock the Bib one down, but he quickly got up again. For the
record, Lobo later proceded to beat the living hell out of Superman.
(Ah, for the good ole days when the main man was involved in good stories.
Sigh.)
	Recently, Bibbo one the lottery and now owns the bar he frequented.

		Lobo & Bibbo, the team supreme,
		Praxis
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Superman's death--reasons
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:06:02 GMT

burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns) writes:
> 
>  Perhaps DC is just suffering from Phoenix envy.

I hate to say it, but that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet...

-- 
This is my sig file.
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:55:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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And now my least favorite writers:

Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.
Bob Budiansky: He didn't seem to realize for most of his run that it was
	the Transformers who were the stars of the TF comic and not the humans.
Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.
Mark Waid: Oh, he can script.  How nice.  But can he plot?  No.
Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.

You get the idea.
	--MikE...my brain's sucking something...sleep.

-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sphinges and Second Thoughts
In-reply-to: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:32:45 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:59:26 EST

In article <lsmith.724314765@deci> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>While trying to get the FAO Schwartz jingle (Welcome to our world of
>toys and all that) out of my head, I looked through Michael Page's

I support the death penalty for anyone who mentions irritatingly
obnoxious and impossible-to-forget jingles and songs on the Internet.

Death by repeated exposure to "Afternoon Delight" would be
appropriate.

Whoops.

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: More DC Hell rambling (Was Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:43:07 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

>Hmmm... I don't have the relevant "Secret Origins" issue. Was the
>Monster a fallen angel? It's been established that not all DC
>demons were originally fallen angels; some are children of
>demons, and some are damned souls who get promoted.

I seem to recall another category, of some creatures from an unspecified place
and time (definitely old, though), who just sort of moved in early on.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
I'm not tense, just terribly alert.
	[Seen on a Nancy Button]
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Fibber McGlenn and Molly)
Subject: Re: Protecters form Malibu
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:51 GMT

In article <gm+rgwg@lynx.unm.edu> djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young) writes:
>In article <Bz4oyx.DsJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:
>>Anyone been reading Malibu Graphics "Protectors"?  Hey, a comic book without
>>alternate timelines, futures, and f*ck all.  I like it.  Good old fashioned
>>comic book writing.  Not exactly literature, but the color art is cool.
>>Reminds me of the good old days.
>>
>You bet I've been reading them.  I think they are well written and the art
>has been getting better with each comic.  I like the to different comics book
>covers every month also.  Did you catch the Protectors #3 newstand issue
>the cover on that was awesome.  The best news is that Malibu has decided to
>make it an ongoing series. The comic is pretty scarce from what I hear, 
>though.  Maybe if Malibu could widen it's base the comic would pick up
>steam. They only complaint I have is that the comic needs to get some better
>villians, I just can't handle Mr. Monday and the Great Question as evil 
>dudes.  Oh well, their's always something to complain about.

I think the writing has been seriously inconsistent for only three
issues.  I thought the first issue showed a lot of promise, but that
the second issue was a serious letdown, and I'm ambivalent about the
third.  The art is very nice, though, very reminiscent of Adams without
being clonish.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"What a Showman!  What a Madman!  He's Astoundingly Heroic!"
"Sugar, salt, flour ... You know, if it wasn't for the thumb tacks, nine-volt
  battery, and the Hot Wheel tracks, you'd think we were going to make a cake."
   --- Madman
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1992Dec17.173155.12960@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg Spira) writes:
>Anyway, if we had more pros we'd probably have to go through lots of "Is
>Todd Comic-Book-Writer The Comic-Book Writer?" threads, just like we have
>to go through the "Is He The Peter David" thread a couple of times a year.


And the "Is he THE Art Adams" thread, and the "Is he THE Kevin Maguire"
thread, and...

	--MikE...no, I'm not, so don't ask.  ;)



-- 
Can he bend? Listen bud                 |Mike Escutia	MikE@unh.edu
He's got radioactive blood...		|Pliable Lad of the LNH
To him, life is just one big Play-doh,	|Read Alt.Comics.LNH!
Whenever there's a parody,		|Follow the adventures of
You'll find Pliable Laaaaaaaaaaaaad.	|	The Net.Patrol!
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From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DID DOOMSDAY DIE?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:04:10 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

   The easiest way for DC to bring back Supes is to say that he was cloned
at some point, and the clone took over his place - hence the clone was the
one who dies fighting Doomsday. I don't read Superman, but I'm sure they could
find some way to say this happened.

By the way, I only briefly scanned his 'death' issue - there is no way I'd
buy such crap. Anyway, I have oone question - did Doomsday die as well?

After reading Alan Moore's last Superman story and the Dark Knight Returns,
this 'death' story surprised me in that it was much worse than I imagined it
would be.


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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Sienkiewicz Wolverine art
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:11:13 GMT

     I just got the latest Wolverine: Inner Fury. Bill Sienkiewicz, after
doing ink jobs and the odd covers is back at art again. I missed him for soooo
long, since the demise of Big Numbers (year, it's coming out, yeah sure).
The story was really lame... some virus has infected Wolverine's bones,
and this whole story revolves around how he gets himself cured and how he
trashes the evil Hydra meanies that did it to him. Loved the scene where
he claws himself right into his brain... just to distract his mutant
healing powers from  unimportant things. Also, several references to Moby
Dick (Bill did the First Classics Illustrated version of the story).
Anyways, the art was real cool and far outclasses the story that he had
to work from. (boo hiss Dan Chichester!)

Other Wolverine/X-Men stuff from Bill Sienkiewicz:

a two part vampire story featured in X-Men Annual 6 and Uncanny X-Men 159.
Wolverine #2: back cover illustration of Wolvie in "First Flight" shirt.
              also made into a Marvel t-shirt.

Wolverine #10: Illustrates cover and inks Big John Buscema's interiors,
               Sabretooth $$$$
Wolverine #11-16: the Gehenna Stone Affair 6 parter. Covers by Nowlan and
                  interior pencils/inks by Buscema/Sienkiewicz
Heroes for Hope: an amazing 4 pager written by Harlan Ellison and pencilled
                 by Miller, inked by Sienkiewicz

finally, this one is real obscure:
Uncanny X-Men 287: assists Scott Williams on inks on several pages, JR JR 
                   pencils
Uncanny X-Men 288: inks entire book. Andy Kubert pencils 




-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Nida", Darth Vader
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:32:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com () says:

>>  first issue.  Grendel keeps getting in pointless
>>  fights & wanders across the world with the Cub.
>>  Half the series is over and he hasn't reached his

>Well, I have a few justifications for you:
>1) It's an obvious homage to Lone Wolf and Cub (as you recognized), which Matt

When LW fought, he had good reason, and it was on
 his terms.  Grendel gets in a lot of stupid fights,
 on his enemy's terms.  He's lumbering around like a
 stupid Terminator.

>   b) There's a lot more to this Grendel than meets the eye.  Initially he
>      looked merely quite tough, but there's a few hints in the latest issue
>      that he must be something more:  Someone says he must have one heck of
>      a power source to cross the ocean... several pages earlier he unplugs
>      the bike from his boot.  The bike plugged into the boot, not the other
>      way 'round.

Now THIS is interesting.  I didn't see that.  You're
 right -- his suit is sun gun powered.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: How does PAD write scripts for Marvel?
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:10:37 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Considering that Joe Quesada arrived on the book and I informed
 > him that his first issue was going to be 22 slam-bang pages of
 > therapy, I thought he took it rather well...

Hmmmmm.  Now, Veteran Comics Writer Steven Grant said on another network
that, effectively, a Marvel plot consists of something like a set-up, a
chase scene, and a fight.  He meant this with a little sarcasm, I
believe, but once I started to think about it, there hasn't really been
a Marvel comic in recent years that hasn't followed this pattern.  Take
that issue of the HULK where you re-vamped him into the new greenie, for
instance... that might qualify as "slam-bang psychotherapy", but it
still has the Hulk(s) [attempting to] battle the big monster.  Not quite
a "fight scene", but I can't help but think there may be some truth to
the idea that this "action-packed" all fluff approach is the kind of
script Marvel wants to see.

Sure, there's got to be SOME action in a comic to make it interesting.
But take, for instance, XENOZOIC TALES -- it has fight scenes, but they
don't take up the majority of the book, whereas in your average Marvel
comic they do.  There are basically two covers you can put on a Marvel
comic (or DC for that matter): pained, super-angst shot of the hero by
himself, with some kind of minimalist background (say, for instance, the
lightning-bolt cover to DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, or that issue of the HULK I
spoke about earlier) -- ultra dramatic.  Or, the other cover you could
choose, is to have the hero either standing ready to fight, or being
menaced by, one or more super-villains.  Generally, there is no
variation.  Early issues of team books could opt for the "group shot"
approach also, but that's sort of a special case, and a cliche in
itself.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?  I enjoy superheroics from time to
time -- but it seems to me that, no matter what quality the writing in a
syperbook, they're still all completely interchangeable on one level.
Do you ever feel constrained by the limitations of the medium?  (We
won't even bring up the point that in work-for-hire the writer has
virtually NO say in the long-term fate of ANY character anymore...)  How
can you really be a "writer" in that kind of setting?
From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Books of Magic
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:19:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Dec9.205946.25106@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
|> In article <77797@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8232d@prism.gatech.EDU (Jarvis T. Lowndes) writes:

|> >Also, has Tim Hunter appeared in or been mentioned in anything since BoM?  

|> The Mr E mini-series. He also has his own entry in the DC Who's Who. There
|> are plans afoot to give him his own series in the Vertigo (Let's get dizzy!)
|> line, but they haven't even come up with a title for it yet.

How about "Tim, the Enchanter" for the title ?

After all, there was a 'Tim the Enchanter' in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"

They'll probably just call it "Tim Hunter" ... curses

Yours Sincerely,
	Julian Castle

////////
   o-o /
  /////////
From: krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Summary: Gruenwald keeps us guessing.
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:43:36 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Karthik P. Sheka writes:
>In article <maguire-141292105923@128.149.100.151> maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (K>evin Maguire) writes:
>
>>We already know how Gruenwald feels about the need to clean up danglers 
>>from old Marvel continuity (he's like a one-man Crisis) - he's even 
>>brought back the Black Fleet from the Questprobe tie-in comics for God's 
>>sake.

I think that only applies to loose ends that he himself wrote and was forced
to abandon.  He was the original writer on QUESTPROBE before it was cancelled
(at issue #3, no less).

A one-man Crisis?  I don't think he's killed anyone off yet.  ]B-1

>>Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not he's building up to explaining 
>>the White Event in the pages of Quasar?

>Obviously, it's just a rift into the Beyonders' omni/multiverse.  (Can be
>done well, if they decide not to make it a crossover "event".)

Only if they seal off the New Universe for good.  That's all I ask.

>Can anyone explain to me what happened in the last two Quasar issues?  I
>won't be able to get them for a couple of weeks, due to finals pressure. :-(

Lot of that going around.  :-/   Anyway, if it makes you feel better, 
nothing is permanently resolved.  Quasar is still having a tough time with
the crazy `fanboy' simulacrum of Marvel Boy left over from the Infinity War.
Kayla's still floating around carrying H.D.  Eon is being weird.
I think Gruenwald is building up to a revelation in issue #50.

Dave Mattingly writes:
>Kevin Maguire writes:
>>Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not he's building up to explaining 
>>the White Event in the pages of Quasar?

>I thought that had already been explained away: the Star Brand created the
>White Event when the old man tried to dump it into an asteroid. Later, it
>was revealed that the Star Brand even created itself (by being so powerful,
>it went back into time).
        Dave Mattingly          

Yeah, it was "revealed" all right -- by the Old Man, who was so full of lies
that every time he came back, he had a new explanation for Connell, whether by
word of mouth, sleep-teaching, or hypnosis.  Connell believed him every time.
Hopefully Vaughn will be a little smarter and more skeptical.

Byrne's final explanation was still an incredibly lame one.  "It went back in 
time and created itself."  I hope Gruenwald can come up with something better 
than that.  I think Byrne deliberately left it ambiguous so that the next
writer can do whatever he wants.  Hopefully Gruenwald has something both
spectacular and coherent in mind.

				-Slippery Jim

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"The reason the universe is so hard to understand is that
 there's nothing to compare it with."
                                        -author unknown
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1gjojsINNdv2@mozz.unh.edu>, mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes...
>In article <168BDEC5A.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>>Nothing's been posted.  The LNH has fallen prey to a new group of nasty,
>>nefarious supervillains: college professors!  :-)
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Tsk Tsk", says Cliche Dude. "I beat them yesterday. I now have to face the
evil of all evils, P.R.O.C.R.A.S.T.I.N.A.T.I.O.N.

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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:40:22 GMT

To amend my own post:
	The Flash PSA was pencilled by Travis Charest, and definitely *not*
	inked by Klaus Janson. Bob Smith, maybe.
	And the "mature readers" AIDS piece is *certain* to offend some
	people, but they really have no basis for complaint because they
	were warned on the first page. On the other hand, it looked to me
	like McKean probably took a great deal of time and care in laying
	the piece out and pasting and drawing in the background illos, then
	drew the Death and JC figures in about fifteen minutes. They barely
	looked like *people*, much less the characters they were meant to
	represent.

cheers,
	ast
From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:47:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

  We don't always see Death on the scene when someone dies, even now
that Neil has definitely thought of her.  We don't see her when the
topless club blows up (nor do we see Destruction, who is certainly 
present in Attribute).  Off the top of my head, I'd guess that she 
doesn't personally take each dead person's soul, just as Destruction 
isn't personally present whenever I tear up a piece of paper, or 
Dream doesn't personally conduct each of my dreams.

  OTOH, Destruction did tell Orpheus that he could see Death simply
by dying.  Orpheus is a member of her family, though, and presumably
she does handle all of them personally.


-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Crow of Desperation)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sphinges and Second Thoughts
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:16:31 GMT
Organization: The Church of Pat
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In article <lsmith.724314765@deci> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
*Looking way back into issue #43, I'm curious about the sequence with Etain 
*escaping the gas explosion. It seems that she does things before she even 
*knows what is going on. While this might just be a cloudy memory of the 
*sequence of events, another possibility is that someone got her out of there. 
*We've seen how Delirium was able to enter the brain of Tiffany, perhaps 
*another member of the family entered Etain long enough to get her out of the
*apartment.

Back a few issues, didn't Del's list refer to her as "Etain of the Second
Look"?  This could be her version of "second sight" which sometimes denotes
some sort of psi ability, such as precognance.  Perhaps it was this ability
that allowed Etain to get out before the explosion.

How this fits in with the rest of story is beyond me, but it's a start.


Mark "Cause when they met, it was murder" Lippert
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 38
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:31:42 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov  writes:
...
> 	Panel 7:  Celeste:  From Latin meaning "heavenly".  Michael
> Jackson:  A pop star whose popularity with teen culture waxes and wanes in
> an unpredictable fashion; also noted for his eccentric habits and his
> extensive plastic surgery.
	He is also androgynous in appearance.
... 
> Page 15:  Baba Yaga is a witch from traditional Russian tales.  She has
> iron teeth, lives in a hut which has chicken legs, and flies across the
> night sky in a mortar which she drives with a pestle.  She is a great
> sorceress and, for the most part, evil.  Baba Yaga, or a facsimile thereof, 
> appears in _Books of Magic_.
	Book Three, I believe.
...
> 	Panel 4:  The moon, it is said, drives men mad when it hangs full
> and red in the sky like a bloated leech.
	The moon is red during a lunar eclipse, which is an evil omen, or when 
the moon is low on the horizon, and the atmosphere filters its light.  I am not
sure if the latter is possible.
...
> 	Panel 5:  The Merrie Comedie of the Redemption of Doctor Faustus,
> by Christopher Marlowe:  Marlowe's most famous work concerns the fall of
> Doctor Faustus, who sought a long life at the cost of his soul.  This is
> clearly a sequel, one which Marlowe may in fact have planned but never
> written.  Recall that Lucien's library is a library of works never
> completed.
	Did Marlowe appear in the Doll's House series, when Dream meets Hob in
1589?
...	
> Release history:             
> Version 1.0 released 13 Dec 92
> elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
> -Brian V. Hughes
> 	     "If you could care less, then why don't you?"

I appologize for any inconvenience, and I hope I did not mention anything that 
was obvious.

Is there a FTP site for the Annotated Sandman?

Torsten at Omaha
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