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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:51:33 EST
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: let's hear some opinions

Jennifer,
This woman does not deserve to have a Ph.D and I firmly believe that her
ignorance will catch up with her sooner or later...if not at her defence
(lack of the "means") later in her career.  The only thing that really bothers
me about all this, is when a fraud like this is spotted she/he gives the
rest of us, hard working researchers, practinioners, a bad name!
It is even worse if it is a woman, because it only perpetuates the "dumb
blond" stereotypes...
I guess, even our "heal the soul" profession isn't immune to those who
cheat and want to make it to the top, no matter what are the moral and
ethical consequences!

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:55:04 EST <jlbugg@UCCS.EDU> said:

>What a great response - now I'll tell the truth.  I've already run her
>data.  Wait... the story gets better.  The person for whom I ran the
>data did not ask me to be involved as an expert from whom she could
>better her analysis.  The entire analysis consisted of a one page
>questionaire given to - guess what - mental health professionals and not
>one of the 14 chi squares was significant - not even close.  I could have
>written a better dissertation after my high school psychology class.
>
>This person reports that she "cried my way through SPSS" as a masters
>student in counseling (educ.).  She has been in private practice for
>4 years, certified to be a chem dep. couns. and is a licensed LPC.  SHE
>has never taken a statistics class as the univer. w/o walls doesn't not
>require them.  The point of her earning a PhD is one of financial gain.
>In CO., as I'm sure it is in the majority of states, insurance pays more
>for therapy with a licensed PhD, her malpractice insurance premium goes
>down, and she gets to advertise in the yellow pages that she is a PhD.
>In fact, she decided to pay someone to do her stats because she didn't want
>to take the time to learn how to do stats as she had already placed her
>January yellow pages ad - PhD and all - in October, prior to her having
>proposed her dissertation.
>
>In doing the chi square, which was the correct statistical analysis, one
>of her "thesis committee" members - another LPC in Oklahoma private practice,
>called her up and wanted to know why we weren't doing an ANOVA with posthocs.
>AAAAAck!!!  She didn't manipulate any variables on this junior high school
>quality work!  There were no interacting variables on which to do
>post hoc analysis.  So, cry me a river about my own inadequecies (sp)
>on statistical analysis.  I never mentioned assumptions to her and they
>never asked.  Also, she didn't have much to say in her discussion section
>so I outlined some theoretical possibilities for her to write on....
>
>Her advisor thought the discussion section was short so he had her put
>14 2x2 tables of means in the discussion section.
>
>Even if it isn't unethical for me to do it, it feels wrong.  So I left out
>means for one of the 14 tests.  Passive aggressive but at some point she
>will be asked where they are and she won't know where to get them.  She'll
>get by but she will know - and so will the other 3 "committee members" - that
>it wasn't her doing it.
>
>Also, I wouldn't want authorship - not that in a million years it would get
>published in anything, including teen beat.  I'm a single mom in grad
>school; its a lousy excuse but its cash in hand.
>
>Jennifer - UCCS
>PS - Keep those opinions coming!


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