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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins/Tigers  Game-11   9/1/92
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:56:34 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


 Twins .................  5 ;   Tigers ................ 4

Mike Trombley started off well for the first 3 innings when he
foxed the Tiger hitters with his nasty curve ball for strikes
and when the Twins were up 2-0 in the top of the 4th, it looked
as if he would get his first MLB win as a starter.

However, it was not to be as the Tigers replied with 4 runs in
the bottom of the same inning to lead 4-2. Looked like another
one of those horrible August games which the Twins have had.
However, the Twins came back to tie it up 4-4 and in the
bottom of the 7th, Trombley left after loading the bases with
no one out. Looked like the Tigers were about to break it open.
However, Mark Guthrie came in and in a classical role of a releiver
got three outs and froze everybody on base and the Twins escaped
out of a big jam. 

The Twins got their go ahead run in the top of the 8th and Willis
and AGi(save No. 35) shut the door on the Tigs.

S.H
Forever Twins
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Major Award Votes
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:45:13 GMT
Organization: Boo!

With a lot of other rsb posters otherwise occupied, and Dave
Kirsch, who handled this stuff last year, busy with the mock
expansion draft, I'm going to take on the task this year of
running rsb award votes.

I'm dividing the vote into two sections.  This section, the major
awards, consists of the MVP, Cy Young, and Rookie of the Year
awards.  The minor awards will be dealt with separately in a
different post in a few weeks.

The major award votes will basically follow the same rules as the
BBWAA votes. 

NL and AL MVP Awards:

Voters are permitted to vote for up to 10 players.  First place
votes earn 14 points, second place points 9 votes, third place 8
points .......... tenth place 1 point.

NL and AL Cy Young and Rookie of the Year Awards:

Voters are permitted to vote for up to 3 players.  First place
votes earn 5 points, second place 3 points, and third place 1
points.

The one place where the voting rules differ from the BBWAA's is
that split votes will not be allowed.  Tie votes, while not
encouraged, are permitted. 

Voters do not have to vote for the maximum number of players.

The BBWAA deadline for votes is the last day of the season so as
to make sure that the post-season does not influence the vote. 
In order to enable rsb citizens who want to evaluate the players
after the season has ended to do just that, the deadline for this
vote is noon on Saturday, October 10th.

I recommend that posters do not vote until at least mid-
September, but I will accept any vote from now until the end of
the voting period.

If you vote and then decide later (before the end of the voting
period) to change your vote, I will try and change it.  But if I
get an onslaught of changes I can't guarantee that that I'll be
able to adjust every ballot.  So do try not to send your votes
until you're pretty sure of your choices.

Each vote will be acknowledged by mail.  If you do not get an
acknowledgement within a week after you send it, assume that your
vote was not received.

This post will be re-posted every Monday until the voting period
has ended.

Ballots must be mailed.  I will not count any rec.sport.baseball
posts as ballots.  Send all votes to spira@panix.com.  If for
some reason your mailer doesn't like that address, use
cmcl2!panix!spira

The e-mail in which you send your ballot should have the subject
header Major Award Votes

The results will be released immediately after the World Series
is over.

Greg 
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:44:05 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <180hccINNlj2@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu> jeffyg@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist) writes:
>Sierra:   He will be great for the A's.  He has the attitude to play for them.
>          He will probably even resign with them.  After unloading Jose's
>          monster salary, they can afford Ruben.

Except that Sierra makes 4.2 million this year which is about what Jose
is getting, maybe more, and Sierra will want at least 25 mill for 5 years
which is more than Jose gets, and Sierra may want 30 mill.
>Russell:  The Rangers could not afford to get rid of him.  He was the one
>          consistency in their beleaguered bullpen.  The A`s definitely dont
>          need him.  Dont be surprised if hes traded again in the next
>          couple of days.  He definitely wont be back next season.

Russell consistent? He led the AL in blown saves, and has a history of 
injury problems. He was Texas' best reliever, but he wasn't that great.
He'll help the A's pen now, and then go free agent after the year. 

Texas got the best power hitter in baseball for Bobby Witt(they wouldn't
have resigned either Russell or Sierra), they made a great trade.

Imagine what Canseco, Gonzalez and Reimer will put up offensively next
year, of course they won't be much of an outfield with the gloves.





Russ Smith
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:03:43 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <31AUG92.14181014@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>There are such a lot of ex-football players who turn into actors
>(alleged actors, that is).  Alex Karras, Dandy Don Meredith, etc. etc.
>and let's not forget that brilliant thespian Fred Dryer.  How come
>there aren't any ex-baseball player actors?  There's Bob Uecker
>I suppose, but other than that I can't think of anybody.


There was Chuck Connors, the "Rifleman."

>A sportswriter friend of mine has a theory about this.  He says
>that baseball players are much, much stupider than athletes in
>other sports (even hockey!  I was surprised at that) and therefore
>are too dumb to be actors.  Any comments?
>

I think it's more that the baseball players most able to catapult their
fame into acting are better situated than players in any other sport
not to need to; baseball's got a decent pension system, unlike football.

That being said, is there really such a difference?  I count two from
each sport -- Meredith is no more an "actor" from doing tea commercials
than Jim Palmer is for underwear.  (I'm not counting Darrell Daulton
playing himself.)  (Did Joe Namath try anything?  He hasn't done anything
lately.  But then again, neither has Karras or Dryer.)

I think another reason is that football players are more likely to have
a unique body type of six feet tall, six feet wide, while baseball players
are going to be of more normal proportions; thus, much like a DH makes up
for his miserable fielding by being placed in a role where all they have
to do is hit, a football player can have a cameo where he's not required to
do much more than stand around and look big.  (For the best example of this
outside of football, see ex-boxer Tex Barnes in Raising Arizona and the
second Fletch movie.)

Football players retire younger, also.

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         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
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From: s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE)
Subject: Huge Rangers/Athletics trade
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:24:00 GMT

Just heard about the deal...Canseco to Texas for Sierra, Witt, and Russell.
At first I thought Texas gave up too much, but then I realized that Sierra
was gone at the end of the year anyway, and Russell has been (as always) a
spotty closer.  What will the A's do with Russell?  Use him as a set-up man?
Or possibly trade him to a needy team like Cleveland for some young talent?
Geez, what a TRADE!

Nathaniel Lee
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jays steal Cone from Mets
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:49:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19921
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

At this crucial point in the AL-east race, the Jays have effected
a steal, a trade which the Brewers and the Orioles would have
hoped they would never do. In return the Mets got Jays infielder
Jeff kent and another minor leaguer whose name I do  not know.

The Jays in an effort to boost their sagging pitching staff, have
added another arsenal to their pitching staff. Cone leads the NL
in strike outs.  IMO, the trade was done to prevent the habitual
September slump of the Jays and their perrenial post season woes.


s.h

Forever Twins
From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:26:33 GMT
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <BtnowD.65t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin ) writes:
>
>
>I don't know too much about the Toronto Blue Jays.  Can anyone tell me just
>how good Kent and Sprague are for the Mets to give up David Cone?

the mets got screwed pure and simple. the Mets have no pitcher on their roster
or in the minors to take Cone's place. In return they receive two more shaky
fielders. btw, this makes me wonder how healthy Guzman really is.
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trading Deadline
Summary: Player must clear waivers
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mitme5.28AUG199212441597
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug28.052132.19388@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald  writes...
>    So, David Cone had to clear waivers before he could be traded to the Blue 
>Jays. I believe that clearing waivers also relieves the team being traded from 
>from financial responsibility.
>     How, one may ask, can a pitcher of David Cone's ability possibly clear 
>waivers? Well, the process has become heavily politicized, with GM's operating 
>under the agreement of "I won't snatch your player if you won't snatch mine."
> 
>     BTW, for you Reds fans, Greg Swindell has cleared waivers. It appears 
>Cincinnati does not feel optimistic about their chances to re-sign him after 
>the season conclludes. I would look for them to trade him if their chances of 
>winning the division are diminished beyond hope.
> 
Clearing waivers is not as automatic as you might think. After all, a number of 
people this year didn't clear waivers, such as Hurst, Ojeda and Nabholz amongst 
others. Also, remember that this is revocable waivers. This means that if 
someone is claimed of waivers, then the original team has the right to remove 
the player. Someone from a team will not clear waivers if another team suspects 
that a trade may occur. In 1989 Montreal claimed Tony Pena off waivers since it 
suspected that Pena would be traded to the Red Sox that year since Herzog had 
talked jokingly about setting up a trade of Pena and Ozzie Smith to the Red Sox 
for a player to be named later who would have been Wade Boggs.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"  
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Fighting & Baldwin(pens)
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:34:20 GMT

hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>>I think Howard Baldwin is wrong in attacking fighting in the NHL at

>Sorry, dude, unless you're talking about the ex-careers of Kirk McCaskill or
>Tom Glavine, you've got the wrong newsgroup...

I don't think he is 100% off base. Now only if MLB would address bench-clearing
brawls like the NHL has, you might see less than 10 bench-clearing brawls
in baseball every week. 

>Although this has made me think of a SCARY thought.  Sam Horn on skates. Yikes! 

Any relation to fellow hacker, Ulf Samuelsson?

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From: barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: Re: Atlanta Braves win streaks
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:44:18 GMT

vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>And as much as it hurts me to say this, they are currently faltering... dropping
>I believe 5 of 10 (and if they lost last night), 6 of 10... besides, Cinci
>has been winning recently, and they have closed in like 2 or 3 games on the
>Braves, to within 3.5 or 4 games...

Try 6 of the last 7 lost...
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:11:35 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

Why is it that the people who purport to *least* believe in statistics
are so ready to bet the bank on the least significant ones?  Roger,
you are the *real* stat freak on this net!  You worship the church of
RBIs, the altar of short batting streaks, and the temple of pitcher's
Win-Loss records.  Those are *statistics*.  And not only that, they
are statistics that fall somewhere between "Lies" and "Damn Lies".

Making Ray Knight either a total idiot or the world's biggest liar...

-Valentine
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Clemens four Cy Young!
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Yankees/Twins ..... Game-9   8/27/92
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:42:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19924
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


 
    Yankees ............... 5 ;  Twins .................. 0

Perez pitched shutout baseball as the Yanks blanked the
Twins 5-0. The Twins could not get anything going against
Perez and now have dropped 6.5 behind the As.

David West took the loss.  I was particularly impressed by
Mike Trombley who releived West.  Tomorrow Scott Erickson
takes the mound(8-10) for the Twins.      

So far of the 9 games this season with the Yanks, the Twins
have won 5 and lost 4.

S.H
Forever Twins
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clearing Waivers
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:28:28 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <la25c0INN9p2@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

>Can someone please answer this question?

>How is it possible that Cone cleared waivers when just two
>weeks ago, Bobby Ojeda DID NOT clear waivers.

>Seems to me the rest of the National League WANTS to see the
>Dodgers finish in last place.  It makes no sense that a
>pitcher of Cone's quality could sail through, yet Ojeda
>was blocked.

Actually, it makes perfect sense.  Everyone on Earth knew that the
Dodgers wanted to trade Bobby Ojeda.  On the other hand, a month ago
the Mets were still on the fringes of a pennant race, and most everybody
figured they'd at least stay in that race and would never trade Cone.  So
why claim him?

Greg 
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From: cm5m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ceri Alun Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mattingly
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:46:20 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Could someone tell me how Mattingly has been doing for the past 2 weeks?
Also, his stats so far for the season would be appreciated. Thanks a
lot...

Ceri Morgan
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Subject: Longest On-Base Streaks?
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:50:47 MST
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Everyone can name off the top of their head the men (AL and NL) with the
longest hitting streaks.  But I'm wondering who, in the history of
baseball, has the longest on-base streak?

It seems to me that this streak would be more meaningful to baseball
watchers.  A pitcher can snap a hitting streak by not throwing anything
close to a batter.  Wussy.  But a pitcher HAS to break an on-base 
streak by throwing strikes to a batter and retiring him every single time.
Manly.

Anyone have any idea who holds the longest on-base streaks for the AL and NL?
We now have announcers who say things like "Wade Boggs has gotten on base in
38 of his last 40 games," so the data evidently exists.
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:09:39 CDT


In article <1SEP92.20311267@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> I had thought that Randy Johnson was the ugliest active player
> in baseball, but I saw the Braves/Mets game the other night, and
> I have to say that Otis Nixon just might edge Randy out of the
> coveted number-one slot.  There are several other worthy contenders,
> of course, too many to list here.  (Juan Berenguer is one outstanding
> candidate.)

Junior Ortiz is the self proclaimed uglies man in baseball.  In spring
training a couple years ago Junior said that when he first started 
playing baseball the manager took one look at him and said "I don't
care where you play as long as you wear a mask."  Since he had to
wear a mask, Junior decided he may as well catch...

-- 
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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
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From: bone@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Douglas J. Bone)
Subject: Re: Conflict of interest (was: Re: Braves/Expos Thurs. Score?)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:00:48 GMT

In <28AUG199211252704@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:

>Entirely hypothetical situation:  
[Braves play Expos October 5th, one team having clinched]

The way the Expos have beaten up on the Braves this year, it would
certainly be in Atlanta's interest to defeat the Expos.  If the Expos
have clinched, they might be better off losing to Atlanta :-)

This is obviously usually only an AL problem.  It should be more common
next year when the NL has odd dividions too.  This isn't much different
than laments about intra-divisional teams out of the pennant race not
trying too hard late in the season.  I remember one year when the Reds
complained when the Braves started pitching prospects against the contending
Astros.  I suppose that if it were really blatant, the commisioner could
reprimand the team involved, but not redress the situation.

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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:40:11 GMT


> jeffyg@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist) writes:

>OK  Im not really sure why either team did it, but here is some attempted
>rationalization

>Canseco:  He was a disruption to the A`s.  Women, cars, guns, etc.  are his
>          problems.  Its no surprise he was traded.  Who would want him tho?

Who would want him?!? Are you OK, man?

What's all this "disruptive force" crap I keep reading over and over? Maybe
it's true and maybe it isn't, but how would YOU know what goes on between
friends and teammates in the locker room? I've been on many teams and have
played with some real psychos, but as long as they had talent, they were
accepted (and generally liked) by their teammates. Do you really think Mark
McGwire gives a shit if Jose Canseco gets a speeding ticket?

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:44:35 GMT

In article <37580@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep02.131254.23869@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.125041.21941@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>>thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>
>...
>
>>> Six teams had better RBI men than did the Detroit Tigers.  Two teams with
>>> worse RBI men, the Orioles and Mariners, had RBI men who played much more
>>> difficult defensive positions than first base at a cost of about 2 additional
>>> RBIs.
>
>
>>I won't argue the numbers but, as always, statistics are quite misleading:
>				^^^^^^^^^
>especially when they provide strong evidence that your assertions are wrong...

Yet, you conveniently forget that rule below when you mention ...

>>	3) Maybe six teams had better RBI men than the Tigers, but they have 
>>	   led the league in runs scored the past two or three years. That's
>>	   what really counts.
>
>We have reached agreement!  The point of disagreement is that you 
>contend that Fielder is substantially responsible for the runs, and
>thf (with lots of agreement by daves and dave-wanna-bes) says
>that Tettleton, Fryman, Phillips and Whitaker on the whole contributed
		 ^^^^^^
>more.  Fielder just got more of the accounting entries called RBIs.

How did a guy with lower OBP *AND* lower SLG contribute MORE to his team's 
offense? In the BTW category, in 1990, Fielder had the highest SLG and OBP
on the team. In '91, he had the highest SLG. This year, he STILL has the highest
SLG of anyone who hasn't missed more than ~30 games (as of Aug 30).

Mike
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