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From: gregs@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Stormbringer
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:32:19 GMT

mikegan@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Michael K Ganley) writes:


>	What is the best way to get this weapon early in the game?  When I
>get a Wand of Wishing, how do I best wish for this?  Ya know that whole
>thing about blessed rustproof +5 etc...  And what of all the talk about
>other artifacts, Hand of Elbereth and That Mj.??? thing?  I've played this
>game for months and I've never found any of that stuff?  You probably
>have to go through one of those long procedures to get any of this stuff.
>	Is there anyone out there who won this game without any prior
>knowledge of special tricks and procedures or Spoilers of any kind???
>(now there's a lot of "any's")
>	That would be very impressive.
	Yes, it would.

Spoilers ahead...


If you're chaotic, #offer corpses at an altar.  This will sometimes land
you Stormbringer, among other goodies.  Since Stormbringer is a choatic
weapon, only a chaotic God will bestow it at an altar.

As for wishing, here is the list I keep a printout of near my computer.
Clip and save!


     "blessed +3 war hammer named Mjollnir"
     "blessed +3 broadsword named Stormbringer"
     "blessed +3 katana named Snickersnee"
     "blessed +3 long sword named Excalibur"
     "blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail"
     "blessed +3 helm of telepathy"
     "blessed +3 pair of speed boots"
     "blessed +3 gauntlets of power"
     "blessed +3 shield of reflection"
     "blessed +3 cloak of displacement"
     "blessed +3 Hawaiian shirt"
     "blessed amulet of life saving"
     "3 blessed potions of gain ability"
     "3 blessed scrolls of genocide"
     "3 cursed scrolls of genocide" (caution is advised)
     "blessed spellbook of identify" (you never get more than one spellbook)
     "blessed ring of levitation"
     "wand of polymorph"
     "blessed tinning kit" (makes blessed tins)
     "figurine of a gray dragon" (for that pet gray dragon you always wanted)

These are the exact spellings, from the Spoilers.

Remember that you will not always get what you ask for.  The way
I understand it, there are so many "points" allowed in a wish.  It
may have to do with your luck and prayer status, or it may be just
random.  But "points" are counted in a wish if you desire a "blessed"
item or a "+" item.  The most you are allowed is a blessed +3 item.
I've wished for a "blessed +3 long sword named Excalibur" and received
a plain blessed Excalibur, without the +3.  Go figure...

Also, remember that an Excalibur received through wishing will not be
rustproof.  I don't believe you can wish for a rustproofed item either.
There are other ways of doing that.

-- 
Gregory Sumner                        ::
gregs@polari.online.com               ::               Go Dawgs! 
Seattle, Wa                           :: 3-0
From: bpn@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Spoiler File
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:47:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62102.student.cwru.edu

Can someone tell me where to get the latest version of the WCST spoilers?
I can't seem to find my old copy....

Thanx
Bri
From: agrimm@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Snarf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Stormbringer
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:13:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

mikegan@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Michael K Ganley) writes:
: 
: 	What is the best way to get this weapon early in the game?  When I
: get a Wand of Wishing, how do I best wish for this?  Ya know that whole
: thing about blessed rustproof +5 etc...

Wish for: a blessed +3 broadsword named Stormbringer (and be very very
careful about the spelling!).

However, it's often easier for a chaotic character to get Stormy by
sacrificing at a chaotic altar.

: And what of all the talk about
: other artifacts, Hand of Elbereth and That Mj.??? thing?  I've played this
: game for months and I've never found any of that stuff?  You probably
: have to go through one of those long procedures to get any of this stuff.

The Hand of Elbereth is an "appointment" given a lawful character by the
gods.  The result is Excalibur (if you're wielding a longsword when this
happens) and a slew of intrinsics...as well as some other side effects.

Mjollnir is the hammer of Thor, Norse god of thunder.  In Nethack, it's a
very damaging weapon (does like +20 or something electricity damage!).

You can wish for any of these weapons, or be granted them by sacrificing
(if you are of the proper alignment and very lucky).

: 	Is there anyone out there who won this game without any prior
: knowledge of special tricks and procedures or Spoilers of any kind???
: (now there's a lot of "any's")

Yes.

: 	That would be very impressive.

Why thank you.
-- 
Snarf (alias Andy Grimm)                               agrimm@mines.colorado.edu
"And if I refuse?"                                  |Cheery thought for the day:
"If you refuse, you die, she dies, EVERYBODY dies." |  Jump off a cliff, 20,000
Sounded reasonable to me!              -Heavy Metal |  lemmings can't be wrong!
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From: katkere@crim.eecs.umich.edu (Arun L. Katkere)
Subject: Re: Thrones & shrines
Reply-To: katkere@engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.003516.13605@msi.com>, bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:

|> After you convert the altar, you can give money to the priest.  I usually
|> will drop all but 4000 before entering the shrine, and then give all 4000
|> to him/her.  Sometimes I get some blessing.  Someone had a formula for
|> calculating how much to give a priest to get what blessing.  It was based
|> on level.
|> 
How do you drop a part of your gold? (d)ropping drops all the gold in
my version.
In general, how do you drop some of a number of items in the same
inventory slot? ( (d)rop and ^D (kick)? )
|> +-----------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------+
|> | Bill Poitras    | Molecular Simulations Inc.    | Tel (408)522-9229       |
|> | (bill)          | Sunnyvale, CA USA             |                         | 
|> |                 | FAX (408)732-0831             | bill@msi.com            |
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From: laruedm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (David Larue)
Subject: Strange occurences and funny happenings
Summary: Another day in the life of Lo-Levc the Wizard 
Keywords: strange things happen when you enter the Nethack Zone
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:10:50 GMT


The other day, playing Lo-Levc the Wizard (317th reincarnation - wizards
are hard to start!) I had something strange happen...

Started with:

2 blessed scrolls of identify
blessed scroll of enchant armor
spellbook of haste self
ring of conflict
ring of regeneration
wand of polymorph (7)

So, onward - with +1 cloak of magic prot.  Get to level 2 (np bones levels
yet...bad luck with dese wizards) and find an "Antique Weapons Shop" with
the following:

14 poisoned +2 arrows
blessed -1 elvish bow
blessed +1 speed boots
bronze plate mail
shield of reflection
+2 leather gloves

So, I rack up about 1000 or so GPs in debit and attack the shopkeeper with
the polymorph wand (after getting some good items with the wand
first...i.e. +1 two-handed sword)

Then the shopkeeper is transformed into a bugbear.  Shoot poisoned arrows
at him - 3 gets rid of him - and look where he was...oval key, 5000 gold
(about) and a "statue of a bugbear-shopkeeper named Rath Loric"...what is
that thing????

P.S. - three levels down, a 9th level Lo-Levc died because of a Magic Trap
creating about 3 gray dragons and paralyzing me...one of them survived and
killed me!!!  RATS!

-= Justin =-
From: tom@soda.berkeley.edu (Tom Holub)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Demigod Priest - neeah neeah.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 05:11:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Spoilers Ascent

In article <1992Sep30.020001.20519@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au> dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner) writes:
)
)I've never won with a priest, but my priest died last week with the
)AMULET, AC -39 and a +11 Excalibur, by CHOKING ON A CORPSE!
)Aaaarrghhh.

Ah, but there's no excuse for that.  Priests are pretty cool characters,
actually, starting with holy water is *very* nice, and all you need is
one bones level to make your game.  They get decent stats, too.

)I've won with a tourist, and I really didn`t think it was that hard.
)You just have to remember to use your camera a lot instead of trying to
)hack'n'slash all the time.

The big problem with tourists is their complete lack of firepower; the
camera doesn't help once you run out of darts, and 13 STR 10 DEX just
doesn't cut it.  They also get no useful intrinsics.

The biggest problem I was having with them was getting experience; my
stupid cat kept stealing it all until I figured out that you should kill
it as the first thing you do in the game (12 exp!).  Once I started 
doing that I started getting places with tourists.
 -Tom
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: subbarao@tex.Princeton.EDU (Kartik Subbarao)
Subject: Re: Rodney's more powerful than I thought!
Reply-To: subbarao@fc.hp.com
Organization: putchar('I'); for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) putchar('E');
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.025811.19693@Princeton.EDU> subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>I hadn't played nethack for a few months or so, so I sat down one evening
>and cranked up a good character. A Knight, 17th level or so, had basically

Oh, another juicy tidbit on this game, one of my greatest yet. My pet dog Fido 
stepped on a polymorph trap, and became a gelatinous cube -- he eventually 
became annoying, though, because he slurped up all the potential bounty!
Eventually, I ditched him at some level, came back and found that he had
about 200+ HP! I was thinking of killing him for the excercise, but decided
that would be too cruel. (To whom? ;-))

	-Kartik
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From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Subject: Re: Stormbringer
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:15:24 GMT

holland@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Gerhard den Hollander) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.053219.9182@polari> gregs@polari.online.com writes:
>>mikegan@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Michael K Ganley) writes:
>>
>>
>
>>
>>As for wishing, here is the list I keep a printout of near my computer.
>>Remember that you will not always get what you ask for.  The way
>>I understand it, there are so many "points" allowed in a wish.  It
>>may have to do with your luck and prayer status, or it may be just
>>random.  But "points" are counted in a wish if you desire a "blessed"
>>item or a "+" item.  The most you are allowed is a blessed +3 item.
>>I've wished for a "blessed +3 long sword named Excalibur" and received
>>a plain blessed Excalibur, without the +3.  Go figure...
>
>It's just random,
>I needed some scrolls of enchant weapon
>(got a exclibur via #dipping a longsword in a fountain at Lvl >5)
>and Stormy from an altar,
>so I wished for 3 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon,
>and got ony 1 blessed scroll,
>so I tried again.
>so I wished for 3 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon,
>and got 3 blessed scrolls etc.
>
>However wishing for a +5 thingy,
>or 8 thangys does not work,
>keep the count at +3/3 that'll do the trick (most of the times).

Missing from the wish list posted from the spoilers is one of the best
things to wish for:
		    "blessed magic marker"

Why wish for scrolls of enchant weapon when you can write lots more
than three of them, plus a heap of other scrolls, with a magic marker?
Use one of the scrolls of charging you will have wished for previously to
recharge the marker, or write one yourself. If I don't get a marker at
some point earlier in the game I always make sure I have at least half a
dozen blank scrolls by the time I get to the castle. 

Where did the idea that +3 is the optimum enchantment to wish for come
from? Is it from the code, or is it a Nethack myth. From my experience I
would guestimate that when you wish for +3 you get it around 50% of the
time, whereas +2 you get around 90%.  Why even bother wishing for +3 on
weapons, you only have to engrave with them to blunt them back to +2 so
you can read your blessed scrolls of enchant weapon safely.

  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Engineer                    (dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
From: daly@ecs.umass.edu (Bryon Daly, ECE dept, UMass, Amherst)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: How about funny message guessing?
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:44:51 GMT

Possible spoilers below.....

In article <1992Oct6.043242.15648@u.washington.edu>, scythe@byron.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) writes:
> In article <18662.2ad074be@ecs.umass.edu> daly@ecs.umass.edu (Bryon Daly, ECE dept, UMass, Amherst) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.174911.11694@u.washington.edu>, scythe@byron.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) writes:
>>> A funny message I found while in wizard mode:
>>> An alarm sounds throughout the dungeon! -more-
>>> but no one seems to respond.
>>> 
>>> Any guesses how I got it?
>>
>>My bet is you genocided the Kops, either through the spell, or just by
>>sheer slaughter.  The Kops don't respond because none are left....
> Is it possible to eliminate all the Kops through sheer slaughter?

I'm pretty sure the game keeps track of the number of monsters killed for
every type of monster, and when that total is high enough, the monster type
is genocided and you see no more of them.  This can happen to black puddings
if you do the kicking sinks thing a lot.  I think the Kops are treated like the
rest of the monsters in this respect---give it a try.

> BTW, Kops are fun to sacrifice if you're chaotic....

Well, they are, except all those demon lords floating around give me the 
creeps, even if they are neutral to me.  I once tried to tame one by throwing
a tripe ration at it.....

The tripe ration misses Jubilex  -more-
Jubilex gets angry!  -more-

Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!

Later,
-Bryon
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: holland@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: fake amulet?
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:21:46 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

In article <1992Oct6.044519.16495@u.washington.edu> scythe@byron.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) writes:
>Much to my surprise, I found there was actually a point to carrying around fake
>Amulets of Yendor.  Apparently, the Wizard is also fooled by them.
>I was making a break for the stairs, and he went and stole the Amulet.
>Except he stole the fake one instead =)

Nice,

The first time I found a fake amulet, was quite funny
I stumbled upon a ghost level of a former self of mine,
who got killed bythe wiz, after taking the amulet,
so I killed the ghost,
grabbed his possesions [ +8 GDSM !!, stormy etc ]
and much to my surprise I found the amulet of Yendor,
still in his ghost Pile,
so I tought, "Geeez that's an easy game,
I found the amulet lying around on Lvl 10,
so Up we go and win this game"
Then I found a blessed scroll of Identify,
and Started identifying "'s,
and Lo and behold,
it was a "Cheap plastic imitation of the amulet of Yendor"

Shrieks of hilarious laughter echo through the dungeon -more-
You cannot control your bladder -more-
You die laughing -more-
Do you want to see your intrinsics [ynq]
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David)
Subject: Re: New items...
Keywords: license
Organization: Tomobiki-cho
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:27:06 GMT

nethack.rankin@eql.caltech.edu writes:
> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David) writes...
>[...]
>> If you have a mac, I'd be happy to give you my version.  It's too cumbersome
>> to mail people source files...
>
>     I suggest that you re-read NetHack's license.

No need.  You will re-iterated the relevant part. :-)

>If you provide binaries
>to someone, you must also be prepared to give them the sources.

OK.  Consider it done.  I will mail off the modified sources, too. (About
a dozen files.)  Hey!  This means my changes can be ported to other platforms!

Now I kind of want someone on a different platform to ask me for my changes.

Thank you for the correction.

--David
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From: block@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Henri A Block)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Which is better....
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:17:37 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Sep25.225313.18498@wdl.loral.com> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David) writes:

>d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) writes:
>>... a +2 blessed Excalibur or a +0 Stormbringer?
>>
>>Just wondering....

>No doubt, Excalibur.  a +0 Excalibur is better than a +0 Stormbringer.

>Why:  Stormbringer is less effective against undead.
>      Broadswords do less damage than long swords against large critters.
>      Stormbringer drains levels.  (Bad if you want the intrinsic
>      that that critter has.  Intrinsic transference depends on the critter
>      level.)

>If you don't care about drain-level protection, though, go for Mjollnir.

I would choose Frost brand. If you can enchant it to +8 then you have
the most awesome weapon in the game. 
+0 Mjolly is better than +0 Frosty ,though.


>--David "How do you pronounce 'Mjollnir?'" Blume
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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Swimming and water obsticals (was Re: Floating Ey
Summary: Ideas about water survival.
Keywords: Water
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: Marcs@yang.earlham.edu Marcs@polycarp.math.earlham.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <leffler.718065126@physics.ubc.ca>, leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
> s892341@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt=Goodall) writes:
> 
>>I think new books should be included in the game to aid you in gaining
>>new skills.
> 
>>"The book teaches you how to swim."
> 
>    Knowing how to swim shouldn't help you unless you aren't wearing much armor
> (say, nothing heavier than leather armor), and you should lose essentially
> everything you're carrying ("You drop your pack and swim to shore."). The
> best swimmer in the world isn't going to get very far wearing plate mail,
> iron boots, gauntlets, a metal helmet, and carrying a heavy pack on his/her
> back!
> 				      ---Steven Leffler
> 					 leffler@physics.ubc.ca
> 					   
> PS. How about a ring of water-breathing instead??
    
     Nice idea, I had the concept of aquatic half-elves or some type of  
character with the ability to breath underwater. Bodys of water like pools 
and moats would act like pits if the character was carrying to much 
wieght. Swimm skill would allow relatively unhampered characters to cross 
water safely and wieghed down characters a chance to escape death at the 
cost of lossing lots of gear.
   New spell ideaa
1) part-water allows characters to temporarly remove a 
space of water, they may discover lost items.
2) Boulder attack, fires a boulder as if hurrled by a giant. Usefull for 
plugging trap doors. 
----Marc Seebass
From: ov@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Olaf Vancura)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Amulet in Hack??!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:24:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


Does anyone know whether the "Amulet of Yendor" really exists in the
original version of Hack -- NOT NetHack...


I used to play this game much as NetHack was not available.  But I 
became dubious that there even was an amulet and stopped playing.  

It is rumored in the help file to be on the 20th level, but I have never
met anyone who has found it...  I would appreciate any and all info. on
this!

Olaf
From: gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tom Sorensen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Stupid mistake #241831
Keywords: If there's a boneheaded way to die, *I* can find it
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:51:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Sep26.074744.16081@u.washington.edu> skaven@milton.u.washington.edu (William Gilliland) writes:

>Question: If you have a ring of conflict and were to try this out, would it be
>possible to get the wand of death from Orcus?  He never appeared (and I was 

Spoilers...

Nope... if I remeber correctly demon lords aren't affected by things like
rings of conflict (Elbereth/scare monster works though). The Wizard isn't
affected either (as Arthur the Knight found out in a BAD way. Got double-
troubled twice...)
            Tom Sorensen

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From: mrmarcel@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL RONN MARCELAIS)
Subject: Re: How about funny message guessing?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:16:07 GMT

In article <2acc86d7wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
>steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>> prknoerr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Peter Knoerrich) writes:
>> > 
>> > Segmentation fault -- core dumped.
>> 
>> i got that after eating an apple...
>
>But only if your favourite fruit are apples!
>
>--ralf

Apples are a built in fruit.  It exists no matter what your favorite fruit is
.


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