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From: fatemi@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Emad A. Fatemi)
Subject: Re: Senior Mojahedin Meets with Senator Gore
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:27:32 GMT

In article <saied.718681831@cwis> saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>
> 
>I just learned that Mr. Mohammad Mohaddessin, member of
>the Executive Committee of the People's Mojahedin of Iran
>and Head of the organization's International Relations
>Department met with Senator Al Gore, Democratic vice
>presidential nominee. The objective of Mr. Mohaddessin's
>visit, very briefly, was to explain the present situation
>in Iran as well as to acquaint Mr. Gore with the goals of
>the National Council of the Resistance.
>
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:23:25 GMT
Organization: UB



I know what Naghmeh means but what does Najmeh mean ?  

Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:58:31 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
[Rafsanjani's excellent article removed]
>>Let's put people before land.  Then call ourselves true patriots.

>Which people?
>Does Iranian mean anything without Iran?
>How is what you are saying different than what QAAJAAR did to Iran?
>According to what you say we should quickly submit any peice of land claimed
>by others in order to make peace.  Imagine Iran without Azarbaijaan,
>Baluchestaan, Turkaman sahraa and Kurdestaan.
>I never said that we should go to war with different countries over land.
>In this case Arab states are too weak to count for anyhting.  In fact this
>is Americans that claim the Islands not the Arabs.
>Should we submit to them to make peace?
>What should we submit after Persian Gulf?
>You just seem to be so peacefully submiting to the will of superpowers.

Ala, I really feel sorry for you to have such an interprtation
of Hossein's article. Where did Hossein conclude or implied that
"you" should submit land to make peace?

You really sound like the Khomeini regime (or actually you are
re-echoing them) when you use words like "American", "superpowers",
etc. Hossein is not "peacefully" submitting to superpowers; it is
people like you who easily fall into the trap of (and submit to)
dictatorial regimes like those of Pahlavi and Khomeini.
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What to think?
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:50:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Oct16.135031.6641
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct15.053549.4459@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi) writes:
>     I have been reading this news group for about six months.  I am an 
>American and have studied Iranian culture and literature.  My experiences, both
>personal and academic, have been very positive.  The literary tradition is
>immense and vastly underrated in the West.  I have met many Iranians through my
>husband and, as I said, have found the experiences positive.
>     The  way in which conflicts and arguments in the news group were expressed
>came as a surprise to me.  I have never met an Iranian who would use offensive
>language in the presence of a woman.  Not because our ears are too "delicate"
>(I'm an American remember), but rather, they abstained from using this type of
>language as a sign of respect.
>     I am not offended, merely confused.  I have socialized with Iranians for
>the past five years and have never encountered conversations such as these.  On
>the contrary, Iranians, in general, seem to avoid offending people (even
>Americans :).
>     Please Note:  This is not a criticism, just a request for information!  No
>offense intended! :)
>
>Khayli mamnun
>
>Regards, Mellissa Namazi
>
>P.S.  Perhaps it is because these exchanges are on a computer and therefore not
>as restrained as person to person???

you see, iranians in general are not as comfortable with each other as
the westerners. you may attribute this to politeness, but it is more
of a cultural bashfulness than anything. it has to do with ta'aarofaate
pooch and roodarvaasee-e beehad. so it has more to do with shyness than
being polite. that is why when among american friends, iranians
generally feel more comfortable using profanity and feel more at ease
among female americans. in some other rare instances, as is the case
with ali baba, it is a severe case of exaggeration, to imagine their
two inch manlihood as twelve inches. sort of a wishful thinking.

as you have stated correctly, this forum, since it eliminates the
personal contact barrier, gives us the freedom to act as who we are,
without any ta'aarofaat and roodarvaasee.

now to answer the question that why there is such diversity among
us, i think babak is correct; it is simply because of the vast cultural
differences within our society, and the aggravation of this diversity
since the 79 revolution.

behzad
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:40:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8984.1yz
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>In article <Bw4JEF.K2M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>>One thing that SHOOSHTARIs repeat all the time is
>>
>>EESOO
>>
>>What does it mean?

>eessoo means 'now', haalaa, al'aan, etc.

>i think its antonym is oosoo, meaning 'then'.

>for example: 

>eessoo va raveem pe aa hossein: 'haalaa baayad bereem donbaale aaghaa 
>hossein'.

>it sort of translates into 'so now, ...' in english.  as in:

>george cant make it to the game tomorrow, so now weve got to find
>someone else.				  ~~~~~~

>rough equivalents:

>farsi: 	    'haalaa baayad yek nafar digaro...'

>shooshtari: 'eessoo va ... '      


>do any of our southern comforters remember the popular
>shooshtari/dezfooli song that went like this: 'dokhtar, maaret
>meeraa... dokhtar, maaret meeraa'?!!!  hell of a love song... man, id
>like to meet the person who wrote *those* lyrics!  'girl, i hope your
>mother dies... girl, i hope your mother dies...'.  wow!


Meereh also means "That man".  Doesn't it?

My family from mother side are all from Shooshtar and when they talked
I could not understand most of what they said.  I confess, however,
that it is a very sweet dialect.  In fact Shooshtari culture is a
very rich culture.  Some of the expressions that they used I never
encountered anywhere else.  Their jokes (some of them baalaa 18)
and stories are just too funny at the same time very rich.

I visited Shooshtar a few times during the war and I enjoyed my
visit a lot.  BANDE AMIR was among the most fascinating places I
have ever been.  I know it goes back to centuries.  Does anyone know
the history of this dam?

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Khuzestan, Dezfuli trivia
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:01:48 GMT

desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:

>Here are a few more... See if you can guess them...

>	o  Oolaa	o  A`cheh	o  Le-Vaa	o  Kanee-saa
>	o  Eelaa	o  Mooflangi	o  Harrysaa	o  Kelek
>	o  Mi		o  Dolabb	o  ShavAdoon	o  Reet
>	o  Shoomee	o  Sar Oo	o  Gajjdoom

>Ali...
>-- 
>Desert@ccit.arizona.edu

I'm not very good with Shushtari/Dezfuli dialects but here we go:

	o  Oolaa	That side
	o  Eelaa	This side
	o  Mi	 	?
	o  Shoomee	Meat cutlet
	o  A'cheh	What for, Why
	o  Mooflangi	miserable soul?
	o  Dolabb	Comode, closit
	o  Sar Oo	Near the water, river bank
	o  Le-Vaa	?
	o  Harrysaa	Turkey pudding?
	o  Shavadoon	Some sort of a room, can't remember.
	o  Gajjdoom	scorpio
	o  Kanee-saa    ?
	o  Kelek	raft?
	o  Reet		Bald as in bald head.

Soheila
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: It's too much
Organization: 10-4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:29:00 GMT

In article <28600032@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
aka AghA jaVad sare-koocheh writes:

>Well taken, but please remember that I said "some nice homosexuals", not
>something like "any homosexual out there, etc.,etc." I don't think that I have
>_characterized_ all homosexuals as a bunch of sex-thirsty people,
>and certainly not (god forbid) who would go after Seyyed!  (You never know
>that diseases they might get!)

So we characterized some of them.  :-)  You cannot escape the implication of
the statement.  It's a trap Farshid.  1=<Some<=100 -------> 100 is by choice!

>I agree that it is known, but I also think it is important to not leave 
>below the belt slander from close minded people unanswered, and the fight 
>against tyranny must always go on.

Couldn't agree any less.  I guess I was pointing to the ineffectiveness of
the approach when dealing with that kind of mentality at hand.

>I'm not as clean and innocent as you think, but thanks for the great
>complement!

You're welcome!

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Konar, Khuzistan and a quiz
Keywords: more on native Khuzistan trees
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:43:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <183807@pyramid.pyramid.com>, suzi@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
|> In article <BvrKGt.5yE@encore.com> samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:
|> >
|> >I've got a quiz question for you fellow KhuzistAnies.  Do any of you
|> >know/remember what "sepessoon" and "lagajee" fruits are and did you
|> 		     ^^^^^^^^^
|> >ever taste them?
|> >
|> >Soheila (missing getting hit in the head by the stones thrown to the konar
|> >	 tree..) Sigh.... Sigh....
|> 
|> 
|> Yes, I do remember a sepessoon tree whose fruit has a very strange
|> taste.  The taste was kind of sticky and left you a bitter taste at
|> the end!  The color of this fruit is white and its size is a little
|> bit larger than a cherry!   

Yeah, I remember sepessoon also; however, I don't think it was specific to Khuzestan.  I could be wrong, but I believe other parts of Iran (and Asia for that matter) have the same tree.  Anyone know for sure?

|> But I don't know anything about "lagajee"???  

Me neither.  Eee chieh deegeh???

|> 
|> The topic of khuzistan has made me homesick!  And I just read another
|> article mentioning "Ghariyeh Mahi"!  
|> 
|> Does anyone know the recipe for "Ghriyeh Mahi"!!!?
|> 


I believe I can get it for you, but it'll take time.  Let me check with my reliable sources (i.e., my mom) on this issue :-)


Later,

MIKE
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: "RUSSIA LEAVES THE GULF A WESTERN ARMS MARKET"
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:53:10 GMT
Organization: British Telecom


Another article on the developments in the Persian Gulf in the light
of recent events (Abu Musa etc).  The views expressed are not
necessarily mine.  -hossein
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From: karim@hp835.mitek.com (Karim Sharif)
Subject: Re: Konar, Khuzistan and a quiz
Keywords: more on native Khuzistan trees
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:10:22 GMT

In article <183807@pyramid.pyramid.com> suzi@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:
>In article <BvrKGt.5yE@encore.com> samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:
>>
>>I've got a quiz question for you fellow KhuzistAnies.  Do any of you
>>know/remember what "sepessoon" and "lagajee" fruits are and did you
>		     ^^^^^^^^^
>>ever taste them?
>>
>>Soheila (missing getting hit in the head by the stones thrown to the konar
>>	 tree..) Sigh.... Sigh....
>
>
>Yes, I do remember a sepessoon tree whose fruit has a very strange
>taste.  The taste was kind of sticky and left you a bitter taste at
>the end!  The color of this fruit is white and its size is a little
>bit larger than a cherry!   
>
>But I don't know anything about "lagajee"???  
>
>The topic of khuzistan has made me homesick!  And I just read another
>article mentioning "Ghariyeh Mahi"!  
>
>Does anyone know the recipe for "Ghriyeh Mahi"!!!?
>

  Eventhough I am from Shiraz but we arranged to live in Lavan island
  in Persian Gulf for few years.  My mother cooks "Ghalieh Mahi" tasting
  so good that you wont forget it for long time.  However personally I do not
  know the recipe for it but if you be very nice to me I could ask my 
  mom for the recipe and email you. :)

>
>-Suzan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.british
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Britain's inflation falls within government target
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:30:50 GMT


	LONDON (UPI) -- Britain's annual inflation rate remained unchanged in
September from August at 3.6 percent, its lowest level since March 1988,
the Central Statistics Office said Friday.
	Analysts had been looking for a fall of up to 0.2 percent to reflect
the continuing impact of the recession on prices and said an early cut
in interest rates to help the failing economy was now unlikely.
	The monthly inflation rate rose from 0.1 percent in August to 0.4
percent in September.
	The CSO said the monthly rise between August and September reflected
``price increases for clothing and household goods as summer sales
ended, and higher charges for some leisure services.''
	But the rate of ``underlying inflation'' which excludes mortgage
interest payments and is considered a more accurate barometer of the
cost of living, fell from 4.2 percent in August to 4.0 percent in
September.
	The September figure now falls within the government's new target
band of between 1 and 4 percent over the next 5 years, which Treasury
chief Norman Lamont announced in his key economic speech to the
Conservative Party Thursday.
	Lamont, who hopes to keep inflation below 2 percent in the long term,
said the government's central policy of low inflation was the ``only
lasting base for sustainable growth and secure employment.''
	``Today's figures show that underlying inflation has fallen to its
lowest level since March 1988 and that the UK's headline rate has been
below the EC average for over a year,'' he said in a statement.
	The new target for inflation comes in the wake of ``Black Wednesday''
on Sept. 16 when sterling abandoned the European Exchange Rate
Mechanism. The currency has since suffered an effective 11 percent
devaluation.
	Andrew Sentance, economic affairs director of the influential
Confederation of British Industry, said the fall in underlying inflation
was ``encouraging''. 
	``It remains essential that the burden of controlling inflation falls
equally across the public and private sectors. As long as public
expenditure is tightly controlled this should make possible further
reductions in interest rates,'' he said.


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From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: U.S. Finds 'No Evidence' Of Kazakh Warhead Sale To Iran
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:32:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: class1.sehari.719040772
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu

---
10/13 (DJ) U.S. Finds 'No Evidence' Of Kazakh Warhead Sale To Iran

    WASHINGTON -AP- The State Department said it had no reason to
believe that the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan has sold nuclear
warheads to Iran.
    Iran's leading opposition group, the People Mujahedeen, yesterday
said that Iran had made a deal to buy four nuclear warheads from
Kazakhstan but that they had not yet been delivered.
    People Mujahedeen international affairs chief Mojammed Mohaddesin
said the deal was finalized during a visit to Kazakhstan by Iran's
defense minister last July.
    Washington Post columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak wrote that
the People Mujahedeen report, which the opposition group said came from
its agents inside Iran, matched information received by U.S.
intelligence agencies.
    State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said, ''We have no
evidence or any other reason to believe that Kazakhstan has either sold
or delivered any nuclear weapons to Iran.''
    Boucher said there have been a number of press reports recently
about nuclear weapons sales by former Soviet states.
    ''We have aggressively followed up on each story through diplomatic
and intelligence channels and found no substance whatever to these
allegations. We will continue to pursue all such reports vigorously,''
Boucher said.
     5:47 PM
                                 -END-

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bhushan@fmiapd.com (Bhushan Kerur)
Subject: test
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:48:08 GMT

testing
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Khomainie's Tomb Exploded
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:46:14 GMT

In article abbasa@ul.ie writes:
|> 
|> Alaika Lanatullah, O' munafiqin.

fArsi yAdet rafteh AghA?

FarhAd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Headquarter of Sepah Bombed
From: hrostami@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:13:06 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

In article <1992Oct16.205233.16034@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, eskandar@ee.ualberta.ca (Eskandar The Great) writes:
> asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> According to Mojahedin, yesterday afternoon, the headquarter
>> of Sepah Pasdaran (SeTad MoShTaReK SePah) in GasReh FeeRooZeh
>> was heavily damaged by a strong bomb. The operation was
>> carried by a unit of resistant forces . Among the places
>> destroyed was the office of the SalaShGar Pasdar Mohsen
>> Rezaee the commander of the Pasdaran. All member of the unit
>> returned to their base safely.
>> 
>> Asghar 
> 
> What is the glory in bombing a place and killing a bunch of people 
> indiscreminatly. Bombing is terrorism and the only thing that is  
> achieved by that is promotion of hatred and fear towards the terrorist,
> in theis case the MKO. 

  Nothing is gained by aiming these acts of terrorism at the 
  gov't. It has the same effect as Neesh-eh Pash-eh bar jAn-eh Feel.
  However, MKO is following the same footsteps as other oganizations
  around the world do.(i.e. PLO, IRA, CIA,....).  
> 
> One thing that I am very surprised about is the advertizing followed 
> by the bombing. If I was a member of MKO and I had done something 
> stupid like bombing a tomb, I would try to HIDE it not to tell 
> everyone in the world.
> 
  Claiming responsibilty has always been very atractive to these
  type of organizations.  It's like free advertising.

> Is MKO trying to take over the government by bombing khomaine'e
> tomb? What is it that MKO is trying to achieve by these bombings,
> please enlighten me. If I was living in Iran I would only feel 
> thretend by these bombs more that anything else.
> 
  Just to cause a little fear. 


Hamid Rostami

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ammeh@hamoom.zanooneh.edu
Subject: Re: Khomeini's tomb exploded
Organization: A news
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:47:23 GMT

Ajab nAhAri boood.

In article <1992Oct16.163550.7460@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
> AghA Behzad writes:
> |> Farhad khAn wrote:  :-)
> |> >
> |> >I too had a hard time believing MKO,  but I called Iran and it was
> |> >confirmed.  It was not as big as MKO described.
> |> >
> |> >quote from:  Ammeh Jon.   :-)
> |> 
> |> i don't know farhad. this sounds awfuly fishy. is your ammeh joon
> |> a member of mko by any chance?
> |> 
> |> behzad
> 
> As far as I know my Ammmeh Jooon hates their guts (MKO) and she
> aint proud of IRI either! 
> 
> Hey who knows  I have not seen my Ammeh Jooon for 15 years.
> This 70 years old women could be an MKO undercover agent.
> I'll call her and ask her if she is an spy!!!
> 
> Now that you asked I am being suspicious, See she has been
> stopped or yelled at for improper HejAb,  She likes the yelling
> "Zaneekeh  khodeto bepooosh"  for a little hair comming out
> of her Rooosari.
> 


FarhAd  ammeh joon, mAdar,

Eva chera poshte mA  harf meezani pessar?  Ageh babAt zendeh bood
megoftam yek kesheedeh be oooon  goshAt bezane.  KhejAlat ham 
chezzehe hA?


Marteekeh pedarsookhteh  cherA be IRI fohsh meedi,  ElAhi jeezo
jeegar bokhoreh to saret! ke koshti mA roo.

Hamash taghseereh ooonn mAdarete,  hey behesh goftam enghadr
in pesareh ra pooroo nakon.

Yek zareh az  Seyyed joon yAd begeer pesar.

Ameeh jooon!
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:39:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucunix.BvrIDB.CDL
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <Bvr9B1.LpB@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>
>
>I know what Naghmeh means but what does Najmeh mean ?  
>
>Ramin

star

zafar
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khomainie's Tomb Exploded
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:27:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4JAH.K0M
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

>explosion in Khomeini's tomb- the person who has been hated by
>the world- makes you so furious?

Voleeeeeek Yawash.
Khomeini was not only the most hated person in the West but also
he was the most loved person in Iran too.

When he arrived in Tehraan several million went to his ISTEQHBAAL.
When he passed away several million went to his funeral.
This was reported by major news agencies in the West.  They said that
more than 5 million went to his funeral in Tehraan alone.
How do you think IRI have survived so far?  By people's support.

When Masoud had his FIRST meeting in Daaneshgaah Tehraan I was there.
There were about 200 to 300 people there.  And most of them were supporters
of Fadaa'ees who came there to support Masoud because he was about to
announce the same 10 maaddeh resolution of Fadaa'iyan.  Among one of their
demands was the destruction of Iranian Army.  Only after the war started
I found why they wanted to destroy the Army.  They had a deal with Saddam.

Masoud did not even make enough votes to get into Majlis.  As far as I
remember he was eliminated in the first round with less than 200,000 votes.

Now what kind of democracy Masoud is trying to bring to Iran when he
imposes himself on Iranian people.  Among the opposition in the
GHORBAT Masoud is still a minority.  There are many hard core opponents
of IRI who absolutely oppose Masoud and his dictatorial tendecies.

We, educated people of Iran, have lost a great deal of our support
in the masses for a variety of reasons.  It takes time and dedication to
gain back the support of the people.  First we have to be there.  Then
we have to work hard to show people who is KHEDMATKAAR and who is
KHIYAANATKAAR.  I am afraif what MKO is doing hurt our image among people
a lot as they have done it over and over in the past 11 years.

There will not be any DAWLAT for MKO.  There will be lots of destructions.

Ala