HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:11 PDT
Subject: Phil Recalls Ambassador to Yugoslav
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700397:000:1850
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 20 17:11:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Phil Recalls Ambassador to Yugoslav


/* Written 10:08 am  Aug 19, 1992 by news@netnews.upenn.edu in cdp:soc.culture.fi */

	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The Philippines recalled its ambassador
to the former Yugoslavia Wednesday to protest alleged human rights
violations.
	Foreign Affairs Secretary Roberto Romulo said he ordered Ambassador
Jose Fernandez to return to Manila, leaving the Philippine Embassy in
Belgrade under the care of the vice consul, Maria Teresa Taguiang.
	Romulo said President Fidel Ramos decided to downgrade the embassy
because of ``his belief that our national interest compels us to view
what is happening in Yugoslavia in the light of our commitment to human
rights and our policy of solidarity with Muslim countries.''
	He said the Philippines, a member of the U.N. Commission on Human
Rights, supported moves to convene a session to discuss the reported
rights violations against Muslims in the former communist nation now
wracked by civil war.
	``In our case, downgrading our embassy in Belgrade is without
prejudice to closing it down in the future if the situation so warrants,
'' Romulo said.
	``By the same token, we are not precluding the possibility of sending
our ambassador back to Belgrade once the tangled situation in that
country is resolved to the satisfaction of all parties concerned.''
	Muslim countries, led by the Organization of Islamic Countries, or
OIC, have closed or reduced their embassies in Belgrade to protest the
reported atrocities committed by the Serbs in Yugoslavia, now composed
only of Serbia and Montenegro.
	Analysts said the move by the Philippines, which is facing a
dwindling Muslim separatist rebellion in the southern island of
Mindanao, was aimed at appeasing the influential OIC from reviving its
support to the guerrillas.
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.012058.5470@microsoft.com>
     <1992Aug14.172701.3835@mi writes:

>Oh, and as for you three ladies and me "on top":  
>There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
>actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).
>Given the choice, I'd still opt for a real lady instead of 
>any of you three "wannabe's".  Even I have *some* standards.

   Charming.  Well, I'll repeat the invitation, Bob.  Come hang out
with us leatherfags at the Eagle.  Or come to the Educational Forum.
I'm sure a Big, Butch faggot like yourself has the balls to go into the
Crypt and ask them where C-space is held...

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:30:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce):
> "Tim, I can't just let you go off and
> stay with someone I don't even know!  What if he's a ... a ... a
> homosexual, or something?"

``yeah, i'm hoping he's cute too!''
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:50:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug13.035058.14219
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug12.235448.2381@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>heaven, heaven is a place, a place where nothing, nothing ever happens.

In heaven everything is fine
you've got your good things
and you've got mine
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: 10% for anal, 1% for oral
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 05:57:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

[Extracted from New Waves, the newsletter of the San Francisco Men's Health
and the San Francisco General Hospital Cohort Studies, July 1992.  These
studies are funded by the CDC, the State of California, and the City and
County of San Francisco.  The article from which I am extracting this
information is by Michael Samuel, a researcher in the SFMHS.  Some of the
matter below is my own interpretation or expansion, and did not appear in
the original article.]

The most useful estimate of the risk of HIV infection would be one which
gives the probability of infection in one episode of a particular sexual 
practice.  Unfortunately, no data have been collected which allow these 
kinds of estimates to be made.

It is, however, possible to measure the per partner probability of infection 
through particular sexual practices, since the studies collected information 
about the number of partners with whom a participant engaged in each practice.  The actual calculation involves using mathematical models and sophisticated
statistical techniques.  The details of the calculations were presented at
a poster at the AIDS conference in Amsterdam. 

The numbers: 

  The per-partner infectivity of receptive anal intercourse is about 10%, 

and

  The per-partner infectivity of receptive oral intercourse is about 1%.

In other words, this means that the chances of being infected by receptive
oral intercourse (without respect to condom use or ejaculation) with one
gay man of unknown serostatus in San Francisco is about 1%. 

This estimate is an average over all contacts with any one partner, so if
you had fewer contacts with a particular partner, the chances are less, and
if you had many contacts, the chances are greater.  Of course, if your
partner was truly free of the virus, your risk would be zero, but it is
very difficult to know for sure that someone is free of infection.

These estimates require two assumptions:

  That men choose their partners without regard to serostatus, 

and 

  That men have the same rate of infectivity through the course of their 
  infections. 

Both of these assumptions are known to be false, so the estimates must be
considered rough guidelines. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:37:21 GMT


In article <1992Aug15.212421.12856@nevada.edu>, clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:
|> bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
|> >
|> >If we really need to have a military, and our society places value on the
|> >service, then everyone should have to do it.
|> 
|> Gee, and I thought all queers were "pro choice."  I guess that doesn't
|> apply to everything.  Maybe it is just doublespeak for pro baby-killing.

I love it when people make themselves so transparent so quickly.

|> >Not just the poor and the minorities, but the middle class and the wealthy,
|> >men and women, and you and me.
|> 
|> Poverty and discrimination are other issues that need to be dealt with.
|> The world is not a peacful place and each state needs to provide for its
|> protection.  I think the US is rather fortunate to be able to operate its
|> military on a voluntary basis.

I think you mean that "WE are rather fortunate", in the 
Thurston Howell III sense.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:45:37 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Aug15.212316.19022@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> If someone could point out to me "you like this and this, but not this" I
> would be most grateful. I suspect it's not easy.

Would you? I'm not sure I would. Fond as I am of analyzing, I don't
really think I need to know in advance what I find attractive; it's
more fun (and perhaps less limiting) to find out as I go along.
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: folks, cemetery plots and marriage (was, the "oh" experience)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:43:24 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <41287@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>In article <joelp.713659614@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey), the Great Rescuer, writes:
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Can't be buried?...  Why, by whose rules?  I recall something about RCs not
>>being too keen on burying suicide victims on holy ground....  Otherwise they
>>bury other sinners, don't they?
>
>I am not sure how this works.  I suspect that I could still get into the
>grave, so to speak, except that I dropped Catholicism a long time ago.  I
>have an 'in' in the church whom I will ask.  One of her greatest fears is
>that we won't be able to be buried all together in the family plot.


Don't worry about it. The RC church is not as monolithic and organized
as you think. They rarely ever check records for anything and if you
or your mom have/has an understanding priest, a blind eye can be 
turned toward little details.

Think of it. We are told we can go to hell if we lie, disrespect
our parents, steal cookies from the cookie jar, skip church, or 
commit "adultery". I figure I am damned to hell for shoplifting 
nail polish when I was 13 years old.

My cousin died recently. He was a gorgeous queen. At the wake, his
lover's family and my arch-Catholic family were all very wonderful
and family to each other. Even my aunt the nun viewed John's lover
as a member of the family. He was buried in consecrated ground near
my mother and a great-grand-uncle.

ER
--
	>elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
	>>Robin's Egg Blue      69-er                           69-ee
	>It's quite a trick, working out the difference between the two.
	>(Is this like "let's do 70:  you do me and I'll owe you one"?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Masculine and Feminine, round 4.
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Aug12.055949.29794@wam.umd.edu>
	<1992Aug12.105525.22245@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:35:10

In article <1992Aug12.105525.22245@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

   Aristotle and the neo-Platonists, they're the culprits, with
   their legacy of two-valued logic, bifurcating the world
   again with each conceptual cut.  We end of up drowning in
   disintegration.  How different the world would be, had there
   never been an Aristotle, a Plotinus, or a St. Augustine!

There's nothing wrong with the law of the excluded middle --- as long
as its use is confined to formal logic and mathematics.  In informal
argument (i.e. nearly everything from real life) it almost always
becomes a false dilemma.

I don't think the world would be very different without Aristotle et
al.  Other people would have expressed the same ideas.  Certainly
Aristotle et al. aren't wholly responsible for the use/abuse of their
ideas by lazy people today.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: memorial wishes
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 07:24:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <64445@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
writes:
>
>I mean, can you imagine a crowd full of leather people and grubby
>bikers in a place like Forest Lawn???  With the "Guest of Honor"
>dressed in *his* leather, septum-bone in place? (At least, prior 
>to being cremated....)

That's a very good idea.  I think you should throw in a few drag queens for
color, though.  They can be leather drag queens if you want. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:15:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Aug20.183640.3880@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk
(Roger Phillips) wrote:

[Much Valuable Context deleted]

> Diameter, darling.

Shirley, you meant *radius*?

> Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk

TDO
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Those Who Are Gone Now
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:16:50 GMT


Add Jay Tyson to the list.  

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:26:41 GMT

coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
:In article nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
:: If it wiggled, I won't eat it.
:Just out of idle curiosity, does this include spermatozoa?

I most definetly hope so. The figures on wether it is transfers HIV or not 
are on the 'it does transmit' side.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:38:20 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.153143.19727@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>My use of "immutable" was considered.  As I recall from my readings
>>in psychology regarding paraphilias, it is accepted that they cannot
>>be changed.  However, I hasten to add that I claim, at best, a
>>layman's understanding and would welcome elaboration by an expert.

>what's an expert? Last time I checked, no one claimed to have much of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good Grief.

>an understanding of people's ideas of sexual attraction.

Precisely.

>I find the notion of "paraphilia" to be more applicable to rats than
>humans. It's too simplified. 

>Personally, there are a few characteristics that I am likely to find
>attractive, and there are a few I am likely to find unattractive. The
>majority of them are not physical, and none of them are overwhelming.

>That being said, I have little control over who I find attractive. If
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I believe that it is just this little control over whom, or what, one finds 
attractive that the psychologists throw into the paraphilia bin.  

>someone could point out to me "you like this and this, but not this" I
>would be most grateful. I suspect it's not easy.
>-- 
>                __

Colburn Eigen                 H|u> = E|u>
From: drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: be kind to small furry animals
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:22:10 GMT
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu


    Message-ID: <1992Aug17.083946.8377@reed.edu> 
    From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) 

    >>So here it is. I do not advocate killing animals for your seual
    >>pleasure. Do not do it, it is mean and nasty. My original message was
    >>intended to be sarcastic, and I regret that it was possible for
    >>someone to read it and think I was serious.

Well, that'll teach YOU not to leave off those smiley faces!!!!

David Christopher Rogers

PS:  :-)
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Toxic, adj. (was Re: Introduction)
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


Was it Greg who wrote:
   >|> >|> >I don't understand why you find it necessary 
   >|> >|> >to be so toxic to people who really don't deserve it.
to which dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) responded:
>|> Did you say "toxic"?  Not the t-word.  Next we'll be hearing the
>|> r-word.  And I DON'T want to talk to your inner child.

and got this response from glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson): 
 >Please.  I spent the weekend with a doctor friend
 >and his friends.  It's common in their vocabulary,
 >and I'm pretty sure it doesn't come from psychobabble.
 >More likely the meaning brings up images of festering
 >wounds.  Is "toxic" a newAge word?  

For what it's worth (not much, you'll assure me), the first time I
heard a person described as "toxic" it was my father speaking (with
great restraint, I might add) about my late mother-in-law.  My
father is emphatically *not* newAge.  He is (in case anyone cares) a
doctor.

Not long after he made the remark I learned that someone had
published a book called _Toxic Parents_.  I don't know when that
book really came out relative to the time my father made his remark,
but it's very unlikely that he'd have picked it up from that book or
others of its ilk.  (Deer me, that would be surprising gnus.)

So my guess is that the author (Susan Foward, I think) picked it
up from med speak, or that she and doctors picked it up (as a
personality description) from somewhere in more classic psych 
literature.  (My father's training is in internal medicine; he
practised small town general medicine for about 40 years before
he retired a few years back.  Just in case you thought he was--
horrors-- a _psychiatrist_ or something.)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: bv301@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas C Kline)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Request: "Special" places to visit in Vancouver, BC?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:44:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Aug19.204430.24530
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Two GWM visiting Vancouver, BC would like suggestions of gay-friendly
bars, restaurants, nightspots in general downtown area.  We are active
with L/G center at home, and would like to learn about counterpart 
organization in Vancouver, and possibly visit facility while there.

Please respond via e-mail to address below, and Thank You.
-- 
Doug Kline
bv301@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: FOLLOW IDEA:  Get K & Wal-Mart for book ban
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:33:50 GMT


Just a thought.  K-mart/Wal-Mart rely on lots of distributors to make money;
what if a few of them decided they didn't like their censorship policy?  One
that _immediately_ comes to mind is Levis.  While Levis needs them more than
they need Levis, so I doubt a boycott would be possible (plus they probably
have silly things like contracts), I bet a strong letter - and possibly a
reduction in shipments or something like that - would be.

I'm also going to see if I can track down the CEO or President of K-Mart.  If
I get a useful number, I'll let ya' know.


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From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Just please shoot me : )
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:47:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA

In article <1992Aug18.144444.12354@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>only a few miles from Ben & Jerry's (wonder if they
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
>>take borders?)...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jumping Jupiter, you mean Ben & Jerry's maintain their own armed 
>forces or do they just contract to the Bundesgrenzschutz?
>

Anything to maintain peace :)  I suspect that Ben & Jerry will
soon be able to take over the entire state of Vermont and have
it as a safe haven for any other peace loving people or
companies.

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.051715.28477@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>"You know that computer communication thing I do so much with? There's
>a specific newsgroup for lesbian and gay people. We have a convention
>every year, and this year it was in Portland. About 60 people came,
>and they were all really interesting fun people. It was a lot of fun."
>
>"Oh. Do you have any other friends?"

(That last sentence is just dripping with the implied, "Please?")

The summer after I graduated from high school, I'd spent a lot of time
on GEnie in the Writers' RoundTable, and I wanted to go to the Pub
Crawl they were holding in D.C.  My mother, of course, was skeptical.
One of her objections was, "But who will you stay with?"  One of the
sysops there had already extended the invitation, which I duly pointed
out, to which she responded, "Tim, I can't just let you go off and
stay with someone I don't even know!  What if he's a ... a ... a
homosexual, or something?"

This left me completely nonplussed -- the only response I could think
of was, "So what if he is?"  Which I'm sure would not have impressed
her had I said it out loud.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson