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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:29:59 EST
From:         Moreley Nelles <mnelles@LYNX.DAC.NORTHEASTERN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: June????

I'm oppen for postponement until the 6th or 20th (y'all will be busy the
13th I'm sure   : )  ).  But not much later...then we'll be running into
some schools spring break, midterms....:)

I suggest the 6th.  They know its coming...and are we REALLY going to go
to the library and study constitutions for NFP's before hand?  ... :).

So...

What : SEDS-USA Constitutional Convention

Where : SEDS haven

When :Saturday, February 6, 1993, Noon ESt to 9 PM EST, continuing Sun
Feb 6 if needed.

Thanks
Drew
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:36:50 PST
From:         Jeffrey Alan Foust <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      Constitutional Convention T-Con

        On the subject on constitutional conventions, let me suggest a few
things:

        1) Compile a list of topics to be discussed *beforehand*, and set
           up an agenda with specific time allotments for each topic.

        2) Have people post their supporting arguments about these topics
           on SEDS-L before the t-con so during the t-con time isn't spent
           having to present them.

        3) Split it up into several smaller t-cons.  Having a single NINE-hour
           t-con is not the way to encourage attendance (which, for something
           of this magnitude, you very much want to encourage).

        4) As for a date, wait for a little feedback from people, especially
           from those not yet back from break.


I'm not saying that a "constitutional convention" is a bad idea, just perhaps
a little premature.  I, too, would like to correct the problems that face
SEDS-USA.  First, though, we have to decide what the problems are and then
consider the possible the solutions before we act.  It doesn't have to take
a long time, but it does have to be done with care.  And when constitutional
changes are suggested, it has to be done with the utmost care, because we
are dealing with the document that defines who we as an organization are.

Ad astra per reasoned action,

Jeff
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:17:01 PST
From:         Jeff Foust <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      Summary of Phone T-con

        The following is a summary of the phone t-con that took place at
12 noon PST (3pm EST) on Sunday, 24 January 1993.  The sole topic of
discussion was the "SEDS Mom" issue.

[ Note: this summary is based on my handwritten notes from the t-con. If
anyone notes any discrepencies, errors or omissions, please post them!]

Present: Peter Diamandis, David Webb, Lisa, Amy, Dennis, Drew, Bill, Irwin,
         Jeff


Peter briefly introduces the concept of the SEDS Mom and states that Marylin
Sheddan would be ideal for the position

David gives some background on Ms. Sheddan:
        - involved with space activities
        - has taught space at U. of Northern Florida
        - member of Mensa
        - is "enormously emphathetic"
        - currently is at Embry-Riddle

Peter adds that she tried to start a SEDS chapter, but had difficulty getting
information sent to her, so she is acutely aware of the critical role of
communications.  Also, he says that she is by no means interested in running
the organization in any way.

The question of salary is brought up.  It is understood that raising money
for a salary will require some time, and that she will have to fundraise
on her own.  Peter and David suggest that we have her work a certain number
of hours per week on fundraising a salary, with a goal in 6-12 month's time
of having her full-time raising her own salary.  It's pointer out that her
strong experience in writing proposals will be of great help during the
fundraising.

The goals, position description, and key issues for the position are
listed (from a one-page document Peter prepared and which will be posted
sperately).

David mentions that she has worked with the aerospace business for 25 years,
giving her a fair amount of business expertise.

Embry-Riddle is willing to provide facilities for the SEDS Mom to use,
including office space, phone, fax, etc.  A careful eye will have to be
kept on expenditures, because money there is tight.

Peter states that the first decision that needs to be made is whether or not
to bring Ms. Sheddan on line.  He believes that this decision should be made
as soon as possible by the board.  The board should then consider whether to
take office space at Embry-Riddle or to accept all or some part of the
Spaceport Florida Authority proposal Amy posted recently.

The t-con ends here, a little under a half-hour after it started.

The discussion of the post-phone t-con, which took place about a half-hour
later on ICB, will be summarized in a seperate post.

Ad astra,

Jeff
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Bill:

Congratulations to you and your chapter!!

Why did I get 2 copies of your message?


                              +*,  (Ad Astra)

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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:17:55 PST
From:         Irwin Kenneth Horowitz <irwin%CitJulie.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: June????
              21-Jan-1993

Folks,
        I know we want to get our mess cleaned up ASAP, but I feel it is
necessary to remind everyone that MIT doesn't begin their second term until
the first week of February (right Kevin?).  As such, if we want the input
of the members of the permanent HQ in this debate (and, yes...we do want their
input), then we need to consider this when setting a date for discussion.
        I do not know if Lisa is back at MIT...I sent her an e-mail message
a few days ago asking for her to just let me know that she is reading e-mail.
I have not yet received a response, so must assume one of three possibilities:
                a)  She is still out of town, and hasn't read her e-mail;
                b)  She is back at MIT, but hasn't gotten around to e-mail; or
                c)  She has read her mail but continues to refuse to contact
                    me and let me know that she is on-line.
Now, I tend to be the trusting sort, so my natural proclivities would be to
reject the third possibility, but I have had sufficient problems getting Lisa
to talk to me this year that I feel I can not discount any one of the three
possibilities until I do hear from her.
                                        Irwin
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:51:02 PST
From:         Jeff Foust <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      NOVA Deadline!!

        A reminder: the deadline for submissions for the Jan/Feb issue of
the NOVA is TOMORROW, Monday 25 January.  Please send in chapter updates,
technical project informaton, space news, other SEDS/space news to me
<jafoust@cco.caltech.edu> by the end of the day tomorrow.  Articles
received after that time will be accepted on a time- and space-available
basis only.  Thanks!!

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:20:31 EST
From:         DJKALMAN@COLOSPGS.BITNET
Subject:      re: Space Art Contest

Hello all.

I just finished talking to the UCCS Art Department head about the Space Art
contest.  He said that he will distribute the information ot all of the art
students.  He also suggested that I post flyers on the board announcing this
contest.

The Dept. Chair also said that he could arrange for a set of judges, if theere
is that need, include the graphic artist who works for the US Space
Foundation!!   So, it appears that UCCS SEDS will hold its own local portion of
the Space Art contest!!!

Claremont SEDS :  What further info do you need, or what else should I do?
What is the cut-off number of entries for any given school that you would like
to judge in Huntsville?   When do you ned to know the results of the local art
contest?  Please email me back to tell me.

David Kalman
djkalman@happy.uccs.edu
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:40:50 -0400
From:         SEDS@SMITH.SMITH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Chrstine's scholarship...

        Thanks, John. I no longer have to post my nasty email to the L
to hopefully initiate some action in regard to Christine's scholarship money.
But I must say it is *really* hard to keep this organization in favor with a
member who has been granted money only to find SEDS won't own up.
It's simply rude and unprofessional of SEDS and unfair to the recipient.

And with second semester costs of books looming ahead, I am also asking on
        Christine's behalf if someone could please settle this issue ASAP.
        Thanks.

                                                        Michelle
                                                        Smith SEDS Pres.
P.S. Next posting will focus on SEDS *activities*!
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From: shanleyl@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Help me test my address,
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:18:24 GMT

Dear SEDS-L,

I need to see if my system is compatible with the rest of the world.

Please e-mail me the easiest way you know how...REPLY, SEND/AUTHOR, ANSWER,
directly typing my e-mail address at your system "MAIL" prompt.

I have been told that my address has not been working or working well.

The address I am referring to is the following:

                      shanleyl@ducvax.auburn.edu

When you do mail me, attempt to inform me how (you should know if your system
didn't send it through, so when you try another way, change the message to
reflect which way you've tried.  A pain, but I would appreciate it.  My sysop
won't have much to go on with just the one mailer that had a problem.

Thanks ahead of time if you take the time.

Sincerely,

Paul Sylvester Shanley
Researcher ad Infinitum et al
School of Human Sciences
Auburn University
308 Spidle Hall
Auburn University, Alabama  36849
United States of America
VOICE: 205 844 1339 office
VOICE: 205 887 7440 home
FAX:   205 844 1340 office
e-mail shanleyl@ducvax.auburn.edu


if my "ducvax" address doesn't work at all, try  pshanley@humsci.auburn.edu


ad astra mylanta
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:58:01 CST
From:         wingo%7977.span@FEDEX.MSFC.NASA.GOV
Subject:      SEDS Mom

In my opinion the SEDS "Mom" Idea and Marylin Shedder (?) are excellent
ideas that as a board member I wholeheartedly endorse.

Pursuant to the SEDS constitution I, as a national board member call for
a vote on this matter. This must be as soon as is reasonably possible, say
two weeks from now, to give the board and the membership a chance to
have their input. This is an important step for SEDS (in Peter's words
"the second stage ignition" of SEDS) and I hope we are able for once to
do something for the good of the organization and not our transient desires.

Also I second Drews call for a vote on Irwin's reimbursement and give my
support for it. It is the co-chairs responsibility to insure that the
constitution is followed and these items be put on the agenda for a vote as
soon as possible.

I also support the call for the permanent mailing address of SEDS to be
changed to the SEDS "Mom" or as David Webb calls her, the "SEDS administrative
coordinator". This will hopefully act to de-politicize many of the
things that have polarized this organization over the last few years.

Here is to a good new start in 93

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:00:36 PST
From:         Irwin Kenneth Horowitz <irwin%CitJulie.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Summary of ICB t-con
              24-Jan-1993

Just one comment...concerning Amy being the liason to the SEDS Mom...I believe
we agreed to ASK her if she would do it, not that she would be informed after
the fact of her "volunteering" for the position :-).

Irwin
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Subject:      Re: Irwin's great job hunt '93, part 2 :-)

Irwin:

WOW!  SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID OUI!!!

CONGRATUATIONS IRWIN!!!

              +*,
              Alvin
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Subject: Re:      PURDUE SEDS-PURDUE SEDS-PURDUE SEDS
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:09:09 GMT

In article <9301211711.AA08819@sage.cc.purdue.edu>,         Bill Blum <blumb@SAGE.CC.PURDUE.EDU> writes:
> As of 19 January 1993,
> 
> WE ARE AN OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED ORGANIZATION AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY!!!!!
> 
> We just got the letter five minutes ago in campus mail.
> 
> 
> Callout is anticipated in two weeks.
>  :)
> 
> AD ASTRA PER PURDUE BOILERMAKERS POWER!
> 
> 
> --
> Bill Blum, blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu   >
>

 AUBURN IS GLAD FOR YOU AUBURN IS GLAD FOR YOU AUBURN IS GLAD FOR YOU AUBURN IS
GLAD FOR YOU AUBURN IS.....

               ...is not an officially recognized SEDS organization... :(

                                     ...yet.

 We hope to post as enthusistically as you have at some point on the near
distant time line.

Paul

ad astra per envy

:)
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Subject: Irwin's great '93 Job Hunt---bad news...:-(
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:49 PDT
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I should have known it was too good to be true...

Last Thursday, I received from the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris (IAP) an
e-mail message saying that they would like to have me come there for a
postdoctoral fellowship.  In my reply to them, I mentioned that I was quite
interested and excited about coming to Paris, but that I needed to wait until
I had heard from other places before I could make a final decision.  On Friday,
I received back from them a note stating that b/c of some late arriving
applications, and my decision not to immediately commit to the job, that they
had to rescind the invitation for the postdoctoral fellowship.  I replied that
I was extremely disappointed that this occurred, explaining to them why I had
originally not made a decision to immediately accept their offer.  Two Caltech
professors volunteered to write to the IAP to express their concern over this
affair.  This morning, I heard back from IAP that they had made offers to too
many people for the number of fellowships they had to offer, and thus had to
accept only those who were prepared to make that immediate commitment.  The
upshot of all this is that I will not be going to Paris next year and the
Great Job Hunt of '93 is still on...

Needless to say, I have spent the past weekend in a state of Zen-like rage over
the handling of this matter, and am only now coming to terms with it.  I would
like to thank all who expressed notes of congratulations to me since Thursday.
I hope that there will be a real cause to celebrate in the near future.
					Ad Astra per a real job offer...
					Irwin
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:53:42 PST
From:         Jeff Foust <jafoust@CCO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:      SEDS-USA Scholarship

        I talked with Kevin Knoedler at the end of the electronic portion
of our t-con today, and he assured me that he will personally take care of
getting the scholarship money to Christine at Smith.  (Thanks, Kevin!)
This should hopefully once and for all resolve the problems with sending out
the scholarship money.

Jeff
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:33:45 PST
From:         "John A. Wright" <wrightj@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      Chrstine's scholarship...

Will *someone* at MIT PLEASE send Christine her scholarship money!

Lisa's been giving her the run around, and I just got *another*
message from christine that she *still* hasn't gotten her money.

hopefully someone is back at MIT to get this message..:-P

John
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:56:05 EST
From:         Moreley Nelles <mnelles@LYNX.DAC.NORTHEASTERN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: June????

OK...I'll see your emails and raise you a tcon, specificaly one on SEDS
Haven on Saturday January 30...a sort of "Constitutional Congress" if you will.
The one thing that I ask the eboard to do though is develop a consensus
that we need to modify the constitution between now and January 30.  I'm
not 100% convinced that it will be a solution to our problems, but I
think that for 501C3 we need to make some chnages.  But by-Laws may
suffice.  So put me down as ...not opposed (abstaining?). for now.

So ... to sum up.

What : SEDS-USA Constitutional Convention

Where : SEDS-HAven

When : Saturday, January 30, 1993  12 Noon EST (9AM Pacific), until 9PM EST
...continuing for a subsequent session Sunday if needed

Ideas comments should be sent to the L before then by all chapters, and
board members.  If we are going to do it, let's get it done and the
ratification process underway by Feb 14.

Ad Astra PER ARDUA and less talk

M. Drew Nelles
member, SEDS-USA Executive Board
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From:         Bill Blum <blumb@SAGE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      PURDUE SEDS-PURDUE SEDS-PURDUE SEDS

As of 19 January 1993,

WE ARE AN OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED ORGANIZATION AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY!!!!!

We just got the letter five minutes ago in campus mail.


Callout is anticipated in two weeks.
 :)

AD ASTRA PER PURDUE BOILERMAKERS POWER!


--
Bill Blum, blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu  Student, School of Nuclear Engineering
Member, SEDS National Board.  Model Rocketeer, SF Reader, amateur fishkeeper
"Times are far between, and few I bet, when we can look upon our lives
without regret." --- 10,000 Maniacs, _Few and Far Between_...Ad Astra!!!!!
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To date : All Set are
Kevin, Amy, Dave, and Bill

Thanks.

The rest of you...I need confirmation  NOW!!  <---drill sargent to troops shout

Were the numbers right...are you going to be there?

Drew
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:43:43 -0500
From:         SEDS Canada guest account <seds@ARIES.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      SEDS-Canada account temp. down

Hi All,

  The SEDS Canada account will be down during computer upgrades, so e-mail to
seds@aries.yorku.ca may not work until after Feb.1. So this account will be
off seds-link for a while.

Peter White
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From:         wingo%7977.span@FEDEX.MSFC.NASA.GOV
Subject:      RE: Irwin's great job hunt '93, part 2 :-)

Congratulations Irwin! Could be a very cool deal. Hope you like French food.
(Although if I remember right you like all food!) :-)

Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville

PS Paul I saw your little response on sci.space and yes I am everywhere.

:-)
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From:         Irwin Horowitz <IH@CITDEIMO.BITNET>
Subject:      Irwin's great job hunt '93, part 2 :-)

Well, it figures that right after sending the message out yesterday about
this year's job search, that I got my first ACCEPTANCE letter!!!!!!!!!

That's right, Irwin's got a job for next year!!!!!!!!!

And that's not all...the job is at the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris!!!!

Which means, that unless I get a better offer from another institution, I
shall be headed off to the city of lights next fall, saying goodbye to all
my friends here in the good 'ol US of A.  No doubt this will be good news to
my friends in the UK, as I'll be in a position to work on the expansion of
SEDS onto the continent.  Of course, it might help if I first learn a little
of the language...:-).
                                        Ad Astra per Paris?!?!?!?!
                                        Irwin
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