HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Reply-To: malcolm@minnie.cs.su.oz.AU (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:20:38 GMT

In article <4kdm6_b.bprofane@netcom.com> bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.033817.28034@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy) writes:
>>Other drugs like nitrous, ketamine, acid are
>>popular at US raves, too, as you might expect...
>
>Ketamine as a rave drug?  What, for zombie ravers?  I can think of
>anything, short of phenobarb or Thorazine, that would be a worse
>drug for raving.  Have you really seen ket. used at raves?  Has
>anybody?

Friends of mine have done this. One friend was on a combo of Ketamine/MDA/
acid at a rave. I'm afraid to say he lost it pretty badly. He did manage to
stay upright tho', although his dancing was not very energetic :-)

I think that people generally use low doses which do not precipitate the full
blown effect, just a peculiar sensation. When it was going around among my
friends people smoked/snorted/ate it to varying degrees from a mild buzz to
near catatonia.

Malcolm
(I heard at one stage it was popular among the rave DJs. Perhaps just because
 it was trendy :-)
--
He's not stopping. He just came to say hello to a few old friends. And new
ones. And an ancestor. Now, he's going home to have a baby... Then he'll be
back... For fifty million tons of lofat yogurt. -- Skizz
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From:  (David Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:23:48 GMT

In article <3BRmoB3w165w@hacktic.nl>, bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire) writes:
> 
> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
> 
> > "Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
> > often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
> > driver ever been involved in a fatal car accident?
> > 
> > Really, now...  Even _water_ has caused deaths.
> 
As a practitioner of Traditional Chinese Medicine I have
only this to say about MJ.
In the Chinese model of medicine, there is a energy channel
that runs from the base of your neck to your tailbone.
MJ burns "qi" or energy or life-force or whatever you want
to call it from this channel. The effect is twofold on heavy
dope smokers. 1) They all have lower back problems
2) They eventually become lethargic and so often take
something else to pep them up, such as coffee, garlic or
tobacco with gives rise to liver problems.
In addition, as the heat from the smoke damages the lungs
dope smokers (smokers generally) are susceptible to colds.

After saying all this I would like to add that almost 
everything you do in the 20th Century is unhealthy, 
including reading this post on a VDU. Concern for your
health is always the second last refuge of the scoundrel
and legalisation/criminalisation based on health issues is
fraudulent as the only consideration on the part of the
goverment body is whether they can gain revenue from the
legalisation/criminalisation of something.

Does this make sense?

David
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger)
Subject: An Apology for Misinformation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:02:00 GMT

	From alt.drugs about two weeks ago - before my finals were wrapped
up (whee!!) ... 

Me:>	Muscarine.  A. muscaria contains little or no amatoxins.  (Unless

Petrus:>Nope, there's very little muscarine in A. muscaria (0.0002-0.0003%). The
Petrus:>main active compounds are muscimol and ibotenic acid.
Petrus:>
Petrus:>Petrus.Pennanen@helsinki.fi

	Quite right.  Thanks to Petrus and all who e-mailed pointing out this
major screw up on my part.  

			  Lee Preimesberger
st1g9@jetson.uh.edu ----- Undergraduate Scum ----- University of Houston, USA
              "I got so high - I scratched till I bled."

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	Yet another idea stolen from Bob Cain. . .
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: matta@lclark.edu (Matt Alexander)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Summary: Down right tiny.
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health, Marley.
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:07:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.192249.25050@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>Huh?
>I thought Bob Marley was killed by a bullet.

No, no, no, there was an assasination _attempt_, but they only wounded his
bodyguard... or maybe they were both wounded... I forget. There's a
biographical video on Bob which I highly (no pun) recommend. Plenty of
tuneage as well.

As far as death stats, according to Unte Reader (Jan/Feb 1990, pg 144)
3 people have died from mj use in 1989. I haven't read the article myself,
but hey, I can live with those risks.

"This president will lead us out of the recovery"
					- Dan Quayl(e)
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13854 sci.med:14901
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:53:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1992Jul29.191631.24094@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:

>Actually, according to the PDR writeup on Marinol (Dronabinol -- synthetic
>THC), two people are reported to have died and one person is reported to have
>gone into a coma due to the consumption of marijuana products (I can't remember
>whether they were all attributed to "Indian Hemp" or whether the deaths were
>attributed to eating hashish -- I'm pretty sure it was eating, not smoking,
>though that was involved).  

In the 1970 Le Dain commision report on the non-medical use of drugs,
there was one death reported that was attributable to the consumption
of marijuana products. Someone died of a distended stomach after a
bout of profound over-eating after using cannabis products. As a
friend of mine remarked, "terminal munchies, man!".

Despite the serious attempts by the Poms to discredit marijuana
(used by the Brahmin caste primarily) in India in the last century, 
they weren't able to pin deaths on it (though they are arguably
responsible for initiating the sequnce of events that led to the
present hysteria in the US).-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs not to everyone's liking (!)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:45:18 GMT

In article <2A763697.8454@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.144530.25042@ncsu.edu> Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb) writes:
>>were the other 134-million planted?  Naturally or did some hippy run around
>>with a bag of seeds and spread the joy to the world????
>>
>
>I've heard rumors of Johnny Marijuana Seed..... ;-).

It isn't just one guy; it's a movement.  You can join if you want.  There is
no membership fee.  Here's what to do.

1.  Procure marijuana seeds (some marijuana comes with seeds in it).

2.  Plant them wherever you think you can get away with it.  Rumor has it
they grow well near streams.  Plant them in bunches, so they will pollenate
and produce more seeds.

Of course, this should not be done here in the US, because it's illegal.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my corrected PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Subject: Dangers of Use
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:31:14 GMT
Distribution: usa

Just what are the dangers of using most illegal drugs?  (And legal ones as
well!)  It would seem to me (as a non-user) that anything that's going to
cause hallucinations would probably be messing something up in your head...

Thanks.

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:02:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Jul30.200204.2565
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
: 
: Doesn't matter whether you do or don't.  The facts are utterly
: indifferent to whether you believe them.  Did you suppose Nature
: needed you to believe in order for phenomenon to continue?

Ah, now we have it.  It is Nature's Desire that things go the way
that Jon sees them. We have a new dogma folks - of the god Nature.

We are not going to get anywhere continuing this discussion. All
reasoned arguement is either ignored or with unsubstantiated assertions
that "facts are utterly indifferent". As if facts could have an opinion.

We cannot argue with blind faith - evidence and reason are inconsequential.

I think it is time to terminate this thread - it certainly is going 
nowhere.

Bill
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Refluxing San Pedro
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:11:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


Is there any reason to expect a precipitate when refluxing San
Pedro with methanol?  I've heard of a case where this resulted in
an off white precipitate coming out of the methanol solution.
Could this be alkaloids precipitating out of a saturated solution?
Just random byproduct?  None of the extraction methods I've seen
mention this occurring.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: narc@NeoSoft.com (John Lightsey)
Subject: Re: Article on Fly-Agaric consumption
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:04:13 GMT
Summary: Urine Drinking

In article <29JUL92235555@acad3.alaska.edu>, jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Star Perker) writes:
> Reprinted without permission from the "Canadian Whole Earth Almanac" Vol #3
> no. 1 1972.
> 
> 
>                          Divine Mushroom of Immortality
>                              (Fly Agaric Kamachadal)
>                                         by
>                            Georg Heinrich von Langsdorf
>                                   Frankfurt 1809
> 
>         The plant kingdom is of immeasurable influence and usefulness for
> mankind, since it supplies most of our clothing, food, drink, and shelter.
> The medical science of primitive people consists entirely in their knowledge
> of the more or less efficacious plants, and everyday experiance confirms
> the fact that even a number of plants native ot our own regions are known to
> many uneducated nations almost more thouroighly than they are to us.
> 
>         To demonstrate this assertion, I should like to say at this point
> something about the fly-agaric, which we regard as extremely poisionous but
> which is used by various inhabitants of northeastern Asia as an intoxicant
> just as wine, brandy, arrack, opium, kava, and the like are used by other
> nations.
> 
>         ...The Kamchacals gather them usually during the hottest months of
> July and August; they maintain that those that dry themselfs in the earth,
> on the stalk, and that are somewhat furry and velvety to the touch on the
> underside of the cap have a far stronger narcotic effect than those picked
> fresh and strung up to dry in the air...
> 
 
  I was in the library recently and read in several sources that many
cultures prolong and/or share the high from fly-agarics by drinking the
urine of someone who has recently consumed them..  (Supposedly this also
eliminates some of the substances which cause unpleasant side-effects.)
 
-- 
    narc@sugar.neosoft.com      narc@taronga.com
            <John Lightsey/Narcosynthesis>
  "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -Tacitus
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Subject: Re: Freebase=Crack
Reply-To: malcolm@cluster.cs.su.oz (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:50:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.010840.8674@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>rfrazier%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert Frazier) writes:
>>	Oh and by the way what is "ice"?
>
>	A fantasy.  Or, according to _Time_, "an epidemic that
>	is sweeping the country".

It's either 4-methyl-aminorex or freebase methamphetamine. You can buy it
here in Sydney, or, I've heard, in Hawaii. It's not all that common, but
it is available, and probably will become more popular as there's a shortage
of MDMA here at the moment.

Malcolm

--
He's not stopping. He just came to say hello to a few old friends. And new
ones. And an ancestor. Now, he's going home to have a baby... Then he'll be
back... For fifty million tons of lofat yogurt. -- Skizz
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What Do YOU Think.
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:40:18 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist) writes:
> 	There are Seigel's and Weil's ideas that drug-taking
> 	is just another behavior that alters consciousness,
> 	which is an innate desire.
> Trevor C. Cederquist

     If you don't mind my point of view. I think that one of the reasons 
that humans use drugs is to become "high", by this I mean more god-like. 
If one looks at drugs used in religious ceremonies, the idea is not so 
far-fetched.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Subject: Re: Freebase=Crack
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:00:14 GMT


In a previous article, bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) says:

>>>       I believe they are the same thing.  I have never tried
>>>if they produce the same effects.  I have heard that crack is
>>>a rawer form than processed cocaine, and so it is cheaper.
>>>And that you can turn cocaine back into the crack, but you
>>>are starting from the more expensive processed form.
>>
>>base + crap = crack.   Crack - crap = base.   Cocaine powder
>>+ baking soda turns into crack, and then is purified into
>>base.
> 
>I'm not too sure if you're correct.  The process for making 
>each is quite different (Richard Pryor was injured making 
>"freebase"; the article I read about it was a later one which 
>said that the process for making "crack" is much safer) as 
>well as the contents involved.
 
Yes, the process is a little different.  Crack is quick and dirty
freebase.  Good freebase can be had by purifying cocaine or
crack.  The final purification is done with a good solvent, such
as ether.  Ether is usually used because freebase cocaine will
dissolve in it, and the ether evaporates very quickly leaving
the base on the dish.  Ether is also very, very flammable, which
makes it rather dangerous.  Just ask Mr. Pryor.  

>If "freebase" == "crack", why do they call it by a different 
>name and treat it differently?

See above.

>"A rose by any other name will still smell as sweet..."

Exactly.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:09:50 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:
> most animals will not overdose unless their environment is negative.

An interesting theory.  Where's your data?  How was environment varied?

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 01:52:32 GMT

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:

>BTW - as far as the eye thing goes, almost everybody I know gets that, along
>with trails and the occasionally really bright flash of light off in your
>mind's eye somewhere.  Other common after-effects (that I and some friends
>have) are slight audio and visual distortions (the ground breathing).  Usually
>occurs late at night, or when stressed, or both.  

I've observed this phenomenon especially when I'm tired, mostly slight visual
'swimming' effects.  It doesn't seem like anything to worry about, but at
first it was a little unnerving.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
               Andre Marrou -- Libertarian for President 1992
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: birth control pills
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:43:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

"Alan S. Ferrency" asked:
> >>Hello.  Does anyone know of any drugs that have bad effects when used when
> >>someone is on birth control pills?  I kind of think there's not much danger,
> >>but I was told to ask, so I will...


Someone (lost the quote, sorry,) replied:
> > the only danger of the pill that I know of is speed. they tell you not to do
> > any forms of speed or you will spot. the only time I spotted was when I used
> > LSD. all the other forms of speed I did did not harm me in any way.


Who is "they"?

When I got on the pill I asked my doctors specifically about illicit
drug use, and they said there was no problem.  I've heard nothing about
speed and spotting.  And I've used lots of LSD since I got the pill,
with not one single problem.  And since when is LSD speed?

I'd like to know your references.

As to the people who said tobacco and the pill don't mix, well, yes, but
that doesn't mean if you take two drags on a cigarette while you're on the
pill things are going to go all wrong.  If you're a smoker, the doctors
tend to watch you closer because there is a hgiher incidence of things
going wrong in the long term while you're on the pill.  But thats one
of the major things the doctor screens for when you go in to get the pill.
In fact, thats pretty much the first thing they ask you when you walk in
the door.

The *only* drug I have ever heard interfering with the pill is
tetracycline.  I recently ended up on tetracycline because of an
infection I had, and my doctor told me specifically to continue to take
the pill, but to use a backup method of birth control, because the
tectracycline would "negate the effect of the pills."


> What exactly is "spotting?"  Has anyone else had this problem before?  Does this
> affect the effectiveness of the pill at all?  

Spotting is bleeding in between periods.  Its is not a problem in and
of itself, especially not in the early months of taking the pill, but
if it happens often or is accompanied by any pain, your SO should most
definitely tell her doctor about it.

Spotting does not have anything to do with the effectiveness of the pill.

>My SO is taking it for flow regulation as well as contraceptive reasons.

No offense, but your SO should know all this stuff....my doctor lectured
me for half an hour about it before she let me have my pills.  A good
library book on women's health should also tell you a lot of good stuff
along these lines.  Try "Our Bodies, Ourselves," or "Women's Body: An
Owner's Manual."  Or call your local planned parenthood; they're all
too willing to answer questions over the phone, and they don't even have
to know your name.



--
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay		                    lemay@sun.com
Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
*********************************************************
From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Home Appliances which get you...
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:22:29 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul23.200957.11622@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:

[blah...]
>
>Product			Usesage			Comments
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Robotussin DM		drink 4/8/12 oz		like PCP and Heroin
>Scotch Guard 3m		inhale deeply		like NO3 - be sure to
							     ^^^

Arrgh! One more time now, kids....

This is your brain on nitrous oxide (that's N2O, two N to one O)
<ahhhh>

This is your brain on any other common oxide of nitrogen (NO2, N2O4, etc.)
<ouch ow suffocate corrode die pain!>

Any Questions?

Yes, it will corrode your lungs first. That's not my point.
Sorry for the chemist's tirade. Go back to whatever.
nuke@reed.edu
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13880 sci.psychology:3371 talk.politics.drugs:5509
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:20:33 GMT
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Jul30.165521.22600@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Pete Hartman writes:
>> If you believe they are facts, does that make it so?  No.
>Correct.  Which is why you're invited to collect your own data.
>And why I've bothered to repeat "either the data reproduce or
>they don't."  I don't appeal to belief.  You're welcome to believe
>whatever you like.  The data are quite indifferent to what either you
>or I believe about them.

Yet you refuse to give any citations of these alleged facts or any data
from which you draw your conclusions, you simply assert that the data
exist and say what you claim.

>> you have asserted that there is addiction to cocaine across all species.
>Indeed I have not.  How many times have you attributed a position,
>claim, or assertion to me that I never took, stated, or made?
>Well, a count makes little difference; it exceeds "too many".
>When you can demonstrate you read what I wrote, I'll be happy to
>continue.

I have posted what you said about cocaine.  When you acknowledge
that you did indeed say what you now claim not to have said (despite
evidence to the contrary) I will be just as happy to continue.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                          Youth culture killed my dog