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From: 11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Scott A. Rust)
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Organization: Gallaudet University English Dept
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:24:43 GMT

In article <JYM.92Sep15005952@remarque.berkeley.edu>, jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>>> [Discussion of Christian themes in _B.C._] I find it
>>> particularly enlightening to find someone who is read as
>>> widely as Hart is who is not afraid to stand up and say
>>> what he feels (or in this case, to sit down and draw it). 
>> Said better than I could have.  I *second* the motion!!
> 
> =+= I think it's a fine thing to stand up and say (or sit down
> and draw) what one feels.  It's unfortunate, though, that in
> Hart's case he feels he has to lash out at something he simply
> has no clue about.

	I support your thought, but do you really think that in this particular
strip (RU-486 strip) that he doesnt know what he's talking about?? His
definition of RU-486 sounds about right to me.

> 
> =+= I'm thinking mostly about his anti-ACLU strips.  The ACLU
> works to enforce the Constitutional-prescribed separation
> between church and state.  Hart has, on several occasions,
> misrepresented this as an effort to impose a separation of
> church and everyday life.

	Even the most ardent (sp?) of ACLU supporters has to admit that the
ACLU on many occasions takes on ridiculous crusades all in the name of the
constitution and freedom for all, when really it is   1) trying to all the
press it can about anything   2) undermining society and its ever declining
morals, etc, etc.

> 
> =+= I find this either dishonest or ignorant, and invariably
> unfunny.
>     <_Jym_>			"If you don't get a good night
> 				kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
> 				    -- Hobbes
> 
> :::.-----.::: Jym Dyer ::::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.-----.:::
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> :::`-----'::::::::::::::::  Mr. Caffeine speaking!" ::::`-----':::
> --
> What I said back then -- well, it's hard to find.  Number one, I
>  didn't say it.
>                 -- George Bush, on calling Reagan's policies ``voodoo
>                    economics'' during the 1980 primaries.  NBC
>                    rebroadcast the tape.

	I apologize for sounding like a right-wing christian moralist, but
these are strictly _my_ opinions.
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From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:17:53 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Aug28.143005.15026@amhux2.amherst.edu> khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley) writes:

>He's pretty old (good answer, huh?).  And yes, he now does have a shaky
>hand, but he always took pride in his doing every strip himself, without
>assistants (at least in the sense that many comic strip artists have
>assistants who are really ghosts).

From what I've heard and read about Schultz, he is doing les and less of
the strips on his own.  In fact, the shaky lines are a sign that he -in
fact- actually drew it himself.  I think he has one or two assistants, but
that is still modest when compared to the comic "factories" of Jim Davis
and such.....

Jack 
jis@panix.com

PS:  The old Peanuts stuff from the mid-70s is beyond funny and
entertaining.  In fact, so many of the strips from that era are sooooo
visciously funny (in a black humor sort of way) it makes me wonder what
compelled him to draw strips as such.   The current batch of Peanuts
strips are lame, lame, lame.
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Sally Forth (was Re: DOONESBURY's back)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:19:44 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>> 
>> Yeah, what's the deal with Sally Forth?  Some time ago, the drawing
>> took a nose dive, obviously an artist change.  My mother told me that
>> 
>
>	I noticed the change, too. I got the impression at the time that the
>artist switched the type of inking he was doing. The old strips were _very_
>thick in their art, thus leaving less room for actual details. The new art is
>done in a thinner style, allowing more detail. It appears to be the same artist
>doing the strip, though.

There IS a new ARTIST!  The original artist-writer of the strip hired a new
guy to draw it.  Notice the dual signature.  When the new guy first started,
people complained that the new art wasn't any good.  So now, the new artist
draws in pretty much the same style as what the original guy USED to.

>
>	This doesnt change the fact that I think "Sally Forth" is second only to
>"Cathy" in strip stupidity.


No argument from me here!


--
Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
beh10@DUTS.amdahl.com | nutty town!!  -Ralph Snart
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:59:52
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: ss1@kepler.unh.edu's message of 12 Sep 92 19:43:07 GMT

>> [Discussion of Christian themes in _B.C._] I find it
>> particularly enlightening to find someone who is read as
>> widely as Hart is who is not afraid to stand up and say
>> what he feels (or in this case, to sit down and draw it). 
> Said better than I could have.  I *second* the motion!!

=+= I think it's a fine thing to stand up and say (or sit down
and draw) what one feels.  It's unfortunate, though, that in
Hart's case he feels he has to lash out at something he simply
has no clue about.

=+= I'm thinking mostly about his anti-ACLU strips.  The ACLU
works to enforce the Constitutional-prescribed separation
between church and state.  Hart has, on several occasions,
misrepresented this as an effort to impose a separation of
church and everyday life.

=+= I find this either dishonest or ignorant, and invariably
unfunny.
    <_Jym_>			"If you don't get a good night
				kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
				    -- Hobbes

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:::`-----'::::::::::::::::  Mr. Caffeine speaking!" ::::`-----':::
--
What I said back then -- well, it's hard to find.  Number one, I
 didn't say it.
                -- George Bush, on calling Reagan's policies ``voodoo
                   economics'' during the 1980 primaries.  NBC
                   rebroadcast the tape.
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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: More on ETAOIN SHRDLU
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:17:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

"Shrdlu" is also a character in the Elmer Rice play "The
Adding Machine", about alienation and displacement caused
by automation.
From: davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Winso McCay collections?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:56:23 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA

In article <1992Sep13.003027.21121@math.ucla.edu> sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
>Subject: Re: Winso McCay collections?
>Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:30:27 GMT

>In article <18tovjINNhqi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) writes:
>>
>>This is probably an old question, but are there any collections of
>>Windsor McCay's strips available?  Little Nemo is what I'm looking
>>for in particular, but many of his other strips have a surreal quality
>>too.

>That's "Winsor." 

>How about "The Complete Little Nemo in Slumberland," published by 
>Fantagraphics Books?  There are five volumes, hardcover, full size.
>$35.00 each.  You can order them by mail.  The address is 

>Fantagraphics Books
>7563 Lake City Way NE
>Seattle, WA 98115

>Postage is $3 for orders of 1 - 4 items, $6 for more.  Or you can call
>them at 1-800-657-1100.  These books are *gorgeous*.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^ YES!
$35 may seem like a lot for a book of comics, but these are worth it.  These 
strips were originally Sunday color comics from the turn of the century and 
the reproductions are stunning.  McCay's artwork is so fantastic (in the 
fantasy sense of the word) that I've spent several minutes looking at each 
page after I've read the balloons.  My wife got me the first volume for XMas 
last year (after not-so-subtle lobbying), and we're working on the complete 
set.

DaveMac
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From: wlamonac@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:29:39 GMT

In article <3565@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.194308.26372@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>
>>I am surprised to see no comment on the 9-9-92 "B.C." strip.  It had
>>two panels, and was a "Wiley's Dictionary" entry.
>>
>>1st panel:  "R-U-4-86"
>>2nd panel:  "Are-U-4-Stiffing-the-kid?"
>>
>
>I'll probably be really embarassed by this, but I read the strip, and
>I read the post, but... I still don't get it! I must be missing a
>reference, particularly the '86'. Can someone fill in the Clueless
>Wonder here?
>
>

RU4-86 is a birth control pill (developed in France, I believe) that can
be used in the very early stages of pregnancy to trigger an abortion.
Because of this, it is illegal in the US.  Where the "joke" comes in in the
strip is that "to 86" something is to cancel it.  Therefore, "Are you for
cancelling?"
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From: cyu@athena.mit.edu (Veestheema)
Subject: Re: Brenda Starr offensive?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:10:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.051028.18089@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

|> I guess I'm missing just what is supposed to be offensive. Given that her
|> name, in true Brenda style, is Anna List (analyst) and she's a shrink of
|> some sort, seems to me to be quite expected from a strip like Brenda that
|> she'd talk like a vaudevillian doing Sigmund Freud. Personally, I don't see
|> anything offensive going down.


I zink Dr. Unna eez tryingk du dalk lik Dr. Ruth.
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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: AT LAST!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:44:22 GMT

helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.182436.29597@cc.umontreal.ca> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes:
>>In article <1854ujINNckl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>>>
>>>It's taken a long time but I finally saw a 'Far Side' that was REALLY
>>>funny -  Madonna putting a hole in a lifeboat.  I finally laughed at a
>>>'Far Side' strip.
>>>

I missed this one--what was the punchline?

Thanks in advance.
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: 9-9-92 "B.C."
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:09:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <3565@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) says:
>>1st panel:  "R-U-4-86"
>>2nd panel:  "Are-U-4-Stiffing-the-kid?"
>
>I'll probably be really embarassed by this, but I read the strip, and
>I read the post, but... I still don't get it! I must be missing a
>reference, particularly the '86'. Can someone fill in the Clueless
>Wonder here?

     RU486 is the name of the controversial abortion pill legal in parts of
Europe but not in the United States...

     I expected an uproar too, but was pleasantly surprised not to find one.
Nothing peeves me more than newspapers pulling strips because they're afraid
to offend someone's delicate beliefs (well, okay, *some* things peeve me
more, but most involve bodily pain).  Although I disagree with the particular
viewpoint in this strip, it's refreshing to an issue tackled on the comics
page from the non-PC side for once...

Brett
From: beaker@ford.uchicago.edu (Mike Aguilar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: The cost of Psychiatric help has gone up!
Keywords: Lucy, Charlie Brown, inflation, psychiatric help
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:14:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Will-Prove-for-Food Institute


Did anyone notice that in Thursday's (9/10/92) 'Peanuts' strip, Lucy's
fee for 'psychiatric help' had gone up to 47 cents?  Has this been
the case for some time now?  The last i remember, the fee was
5 cents.  Is this some sort of subtle statment about inflation?
Or a sarcastic comment on this country's economic condition?
Or perhaps Lucy's had to increase costs due to malpractice suits?

???

-mike
From: duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: AT LAST!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:24:36 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1854ujINNckl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>
>It's taken a long time but I finally saw a 'Far Side' that was REALLY
>funny -  Madonna putting a hole in a lifeboat.  I finally laughed at a
>'Far Side' strip.
>

I must agree.  This particular panel was one of the funniest Larson has ever
come up with.  Thinking about it even now, I can't help but laugh.
-- 
Laurent Duperval
duperval@ere.umontreal.ca
duperval@jsp.umontreal.ca
If you gotta go, go happy... or surprised.  -Me
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From: monitn@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: Foxtrot, 9/4/92
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:28:29 GMT

krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim) writes:

>In article <rlcarr.05a6@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

>   Well, Amend did it again...putting down strings of math formulas
>   that are all correct.  Today, the magic number was 20.

>   In the past, he correctly (in the title panel of a sunday strip) derived
>   that (in the absence of friction) launching something at a 45 degree angle
>   will result in maximum range.

>I saw this too.  Just out of curiosity, how many people worked out all
>(or as many of them as you could) the equations??  The strip was
>great.  

My roomate and I spent a few minutes working it out ourselves. Then we realized
that this is exactly the sort of thing that would happen at an engineering
school like ours. But we still cut out the strip and hung it up. At least we
also have other things to do... :)

Nick

>Ernie
>krazykid@csa.bu.edu
From: rovel@eng.umd.edu (Amy L. Rovelstad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: In Defense of _Sally Forth_ (Was Re: DOONESBURY's back)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:45:16 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: rovel@alfa.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Sep14.204642.6717@rosevax.rosemount.com>, scotbri@flower.samsung.com (Scott Brigham, corp) writes:

 
>Greg Howard is a Minneapolis-based cartoonist and Sally Forth appears here
>in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.  He used to draw it himself and as another
>poster mentioned earlier, he felt that his drawing wasn't that good and
>hooked up withe "Mac" to do the drawing.  "Mac" is Craig MacIntosh who
>is a staff artist for the Star-Tribune.  He usually does drawings to go
>along with articles on the Opinion page.  I was surprised that his Sally
>Forth drawings are not so hot because I've always been impressed with
>his other artwork in the paper.


I think this is almost right.  As I recall, Greg Howard was aware that 
his drawing skills were not, um,  first-rate, and consequently was limited
in the situations he could depict.  When he originally started working 
with the new artist, he completely stopped drawing the strip, with the
result that the look of the strip changed *dramatically*.  All the
characters were now tall and slender, Hilary's hair style was altered, etc.
The new look ran for about a week.  It turned out people *liked* the
awkward drawing (it made them feel they could do it).  I think there
was even a piece about it on NPR.  At any rate, Howard went back to 
roughing out the drawing and his collaborator finishes it and puts in
the details.

BTW, didn't Greg Howard got a ``Good Guy'' award from 
some women's group last year for his sympathetic portrayal of a 
``working woman''?

Amy
From: krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Foxtrot, 9/4/92
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:08:41 GMT
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: rlcarr@animato.network23.com's message of 5 Sep 92 03:00:18 GMT

In article <rlcarr.05a6@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

   Well, Amend did it again...putting down strings of math formulas
   that are all correct.  Today, the magic number was 20.

   In the past, he correctly (in the title panel of a sunday strip) derived
   that (in the absence of friction) launching something at a 45 degree angle
   will result in maximum range.

I saw this too.  Just out of curiosity, how many people worked out all
(or as many of them as you could) the equations??  The strip was
great.  

Ernie
krazykid@csa.bu.edu
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From: ddebry@itchy.dsd.es.com (David DeBry)
Subject: Re: More on ETAOIN SHRDLU
Description: Tall, skinny, kinda goofy looking
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Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Design Systems Division 
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:55:47 GMT
Irc: Z-Grue (Zorkian Grue) 
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Internet: ddebry@dsd.es.com 

In <schumach.716581047@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>"Shrdlu" is also a character in the Elmer Rice play "The
>Adding Machine", about alienation and displacement caused
>by automation.

	ETAOIN SHRDLU is also a the order of the 12 most used letters
in the English language, from most to least.  (Pardon me if this has
already been mentioned!)  Cypher/code crackers use this series a lot.
--
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\\\  massive drug deficiency."                                        \\\
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David DeBry \ Email any address. \ Finger ddebry@cc.utah.edu for details.
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From: carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:27:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


My friend insists that Peanuts is done these days with a paint-program on
a computer, and a massive database of pictures of all the elements of the
strip, that a prototype for every possible charlie brown etc. was made
long ago.  And that he uses a special form of printing which randomly
chooses from 50 or 100 A's, B's, C's, etc, so that the words look like
they always have (the different letters being slightly different) and
don't look computerized.

has anyone heard this rumor?
kevin
From: 11srust@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Scott A. Rust)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Sally Forth (was Re: DOONESBURY's back)
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:35:21 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University English Dept

In article <18rf53INNlm9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
> In article <schnitzi.716143526@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
> 
>>During the hiatus my paper replaced it with Sally Forth,
>>a particularly lame and poorly drawn comic strip.
> 
> Yeah, what's the deal with Sally Forth?  Some time ago, the drawing
> took a nose dive, obviously an artist change.  My mother told me that
> the guy who writes it had always thought his drawing was crummy and
> got somebody else to do it for him.  I thought the original drawing
> was great, well, I guess there are some that I think are better, but
> the new stuff is, well, lame.
> 
> -- 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Carol Osterbrock       *       Such a long, long time to be gone
> carolo@cse.ucsc.edu    *         And a short time to be there...
> ===============================================================================

	I noticed the change, too. I got the impression at the time that the
artist switched the type of inking he was doing. The old strips were _very_
thick in their art, thus leaving less room for actual details. The new art is
done in a thinner style, allowing more detail. It appears to be the same artist
doing the strip, though.

	This doesnt change the fact that I think "Sally Forth" is second only to
"Cathy" in strip stupidity.

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