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From: mr@bernina.ethz.ch (Marc Raths)
Subject: Re: Frame on PowerBook?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:20:02 GMT

stumpf@cssun1.psychologie.uni-freiburg.de (Michael Stumpf) writes:

>Anyone using Frame on a PowerBook?
>Recommended configuration?
>e.g. 140 4/40 or 8/40?
>     170 4/40 or 8/40 (or 8/70)?
>Problems regarding exchanges to other systems (e.g. SUNs)?
>Thanx, Michael

FrameMaker 3.0 on a PowerBook 170 (4MB, 40MB) is very good to work with.
Performance compared to a Sun: about like a Sun 3 (the old one with
a Motorola 68020).

FM uses about 6MB of disk space when you install everything. It will run
happily in 2MB of memory unless you convert huge files from other formats
or use a lot of graphics (bit-mapped). I use it with virtual memory set
to 8MB but if you trim down the system it will run in 4MB (total, including
system).

(BTW: Word 5 uses at least as much memory and is not faster...)

Exchange with Frame on Unix are easy. With luck, even the normal (binary)
format can be read (depends on your file tansfer method) but Frame recommends
saving in MIF format (printable ascii) to transfer. This works perfectly,
even for imported graphics that are platform specific.
(According to an article in Byte, the same holds true for the PC version.)
Also the user interface and functionality is exactly the same on all
platforms (except platform specific extensions like RPC on Unix, or
DDE on PC).

Hope this helps
--Marc
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: caughey@engr.UVic.CA (Dave  Caughey)
Subject: Re: poor math equations
Reply-To: caughey@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:43:38 GMT

In article 8yu@news.larc.nasa.gov, warren@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Gary P. Warren) writes:
>I have been using framemaker for some time now to write technical papers
>which contain many equations and figures.  The problem is that the 
>equations that framemaker creates can be poor quality when the expressions
>become complicated... [stuff deleted]
>
>FrameMaker handles my DP needs fairly well but it would gain a stronger 
>following in my area here at NASA if its equation editor produced better 
>results.
>

I agree with you completely.  Other things include bugs with the '='
operator, an incomplete set of relations, non-boldable greek, the
shrink-wrap shrinks too much, etc.

Please forward your message to "comments@frame.com" -- they do read it!

A colleague sent in bug report along with a few comments about how
limited it was, and received a response saying it was "still the best
equation editor on the market".   :-O

That prompted me sent in a bunch of complaints about FrameMath and a
comparison with the capabilities of MathType and Expressionist (for the
Mac) illustrating that no, it was not the best on the market.  I, in
turn, got a message back from someone else at Frame saying that, yes,
they realize it's buggy, and the next release will have a completely
revamped FrameMath.  (Bit of a turn-around from the last message!...)

No hints were given (even under pressure) about the release date,
'though.  So I have no idea whether we are talking about next summer,
or two years from now...  Any rumours, anyone?

But anyway, send in your comments... It is the only pro-active way to put
pressure on Frame to change.

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Dave Caughey				Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Engineering
caughey@sirius.uvic.ca			P.O. Box 3055
                      			University of Victoria		  
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From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.windows.ms,bnr.text.frame
Subject: Re: FrameMaker for Windows crashes with ATI hi-res.
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:18:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct6.191831.710
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.053852.23457@cc.umontreal.ca> luneauf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Luneau Francois) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.174727.4477@bmers145.bnr.ca> masika@bnr.ca writes:
>>I have just installed Windows 3.1 and FrameMaker on my PC, and have trouble
>>with Frame crashing when I use the 1024x768 resolution.  All of a sudden,
>>it won't refresh the screen properly; then, doing anything window-related like
>>resizing produces the following error message:
>>
>>"Maker caused a General Protection Fault in
>> module WIN3-64B.DRV at 0004:16F3"
>>
>>and then FrameMaker aborts.
>>
>>(sounds like the driver may be at fault)
>>
>>If I try restarting Frame, I get the message:
>>
>>"STOP.  A UAE occurred the last time you ran FrameMaker. Exit Windows
>B
>>        and restart before running FrameMaker."
>>
>>I have...
>>486DX-33 machine with 8M ram, and an ATI XL SVGA with 1M.
>>
>>The ATI driver I am using is Ver 2.11.  Is there a new one?
>>
>>When I bring up Windows using VGA as the display driver (lower resolution),
>>it works fine.
>>
>>Any help would be much appreciated...
>>
>Just a guess here but are you using a windows 3.0 driver in windows 3.1?
>I've had the same problem with a few graphics intensive applications and, just
>like you, when I used the driver that came with win 3.1, it worked just fine.
>As your text didn't mention much about your windows environment, I could only 
>guess.
>

You are correct. WIN3-64B.DRV is a Windows 3.0 driver only. It will
also blow Quattro Pro for Windows sky high as well. You need to use
the 1024x768x256 driver that comes from ATI for Windows 3.1. The
problems go away instantly.

...Paul


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: doedens@let.ruu.nl (Crist-Jan Doedens)
Subject: which pc for frame?
Summary: What pc config do I need to run frame comfortably?
Keywords: pc framemaker
Organization: Faculty of Arts, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:10:30 GMT

At my work I use FrameMaker on a Sparc 1 to write a book (a PhD thesis on
formal and natural language access to syntactically enriched text
databases).
Now I consider buying a machine to do part of the writing at home.
I guess the cheapest platform is a PC (i.e. a 386 or 486 machine running
MS Windows).
An alternative might be the Mac.

Question: Is the PC really the cheapest platform?

Question: Is FrameMaker really stable enough already for the PC platform?

Question: What configuration do I need?

For example I am considering the following configuration:
386 40 MhZ, 16 MB RAM, 210 MB disk, supervga color 1024x768 card, 14'' monitor.
The monitor is small, but so is my financial reach.
By the way, this would cost me about 3600,- dutch guilders (which is about
1900,- us dollars).

Thanks in advance for any responses. I will summarise to the net.

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it is my opinion that the wealth of a nation primarily depends on its people 
being well-educated and the availability of cheap money for investment. So 
prohibit deficits and make education first-rate and free.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: FUN in Pittsburgh, October 15
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: pa,oh,wv
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:40:17 GMT


A Frame Users' Network (FUN) in Pittsburgh meeting is being planned for:

	Thursday, October 15, 1992
	6:00 thru 8:00 P.M.
	Software Engineering Institute
	Carnegie Mellon UNiversity
	Pittsburgh, PA

The preliminary agenda includes:

	* Donna Bowers from Westinghouse talking about
	  - How she has used the new Tables feature in FrameMaker 3.0
	  - How she has used ClipArt in her documents
	* Barbara Zayas from SEI talking about
	  - How she has used the new Tables feature
	  - Lessons she has learned about Tables

We also hope to:
	* Have a talk about FMGRAPH (from the FUN Tape)
	* Hear a representative from Frame Corp talk about what's new
	* Meet our new Frame Sales Rep for theis area, Melanie Kesler

If you have any experience with the topics that are on the agenda that you
would like to share, please let me know and I'll add you to the agenda.

If you are planning to attend, RSVP to me so I can plan for the appropriate
number of people.

	Alan S. Koch
	(412) 268-6395
	ask@sei.cmu.edu

If you can not attend, but have ideas for future meetings, or would like to be
added to my list, please contact me.  Also, I am in need of help in putting
these meetings together.  If you can provide some assistance, let me know.

I hope to see you here a week from Thursday!

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
From: emagnus@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Eric Magnusson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Setting default printer
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:42:07 GMT
Reply-To: emagnuss@pcocd2.intel.com
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: Integrated Microcomputer Division, Intel Corp., Folsom CA


Is there any way to automatically set the default printer name 
to be used when printing a document?  I am running FrameMaker 3.0X.
Is it as easy as setting an environment variable?

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From: billg@btree.uucp (Bill Geiger)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Framemaker and Exodus
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:17:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brooktree Corporation

I am attempting to use a software X-emulation product on a Macintosh
called Exodus from White Pine Software.  I am experiencing a problem
which only occurs with Framemaker ( run off an HP).  The text displayed
in Framemaker is covered by an opaque white box and only leaves the
beginning and end of a line showing.  This does not happen with a
competing product, Mac-X, nor with any of the DOS based emulators we are
using.  Does anyone have experience with this product and Framemaker. 
Thank you for your response. 

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: caughey@engr.UVic.CA (Dave  Caughey)
Subject: Re: Asthetics
Reply-To: caughey@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:15:32 GMT

In article CBE@news.larc.nasa.gov, warren@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Gary P. Warren) writes:
>> Shrink wrap may chop off some of the equation as it is seen in the document,
>> but it will print all...at least so I am assured by Frame tech support.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is true...

Actually, it isn't.  Some "complicated" equations including integrals
having limits which are themselves expressions (including variables
which have sub/super-scripts) will get chopped when *printed*.

Like an earlier poster said, the folks who designed FrameMath seem to
never tried any non-trivial equations...

___________________________________________________________________________
Dave Caughey				Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Engineering
caughey@sirius.uvic.ca			P.O. Box 3055
                      			University of Victoria		  
"Ten million lemmings can't be wrong"   Victoria, B.C., CANADA V8W 3P6
From: pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Document management systems
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:44:03 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia

In article <92274.163017JFARRES@ESRIN.BITNET>, JFARRES@ESRIN.BITNET writes:
> We face the problem of building a document management system for a group
> of FrameMaker users. The new system should address problems such as
> information retrieval, configuration management, access control and,
> possibly, document workflow.
> I wonder if you found a convenient solution to all/some of these problems
> in the scope of FrameMaker documentation.


This is exactly a problem I face and was looking at FrameMaker to solve some
of it.  I don't think Frame can do this by itself. There are document
management systems out there, but usually restrict themselves to one 
platform.  For example, there's Helix Tracker (something which hasn't quite 
made it out here in oz) which runs on a Mac (Macs).  It can handle ANY Mac 
document (as far as I'm aware), not just a FrameMaker one.  Unfortunately, the 
whole reason for looking at Frame was to provide platform independence between 
Suns, Macs & PCs.  It still may be useful here for the Mac anyway as our admin
folks use Macs.  Here's a blurb I received from  tag@lind.no 
(Tor-Arne Gisvold) who got this from the folks at VP Technology.  I may be 
chasing this up later in the year.

"We will be selling (in November) an application called "Tracker", the
first of a line of complete applications built with the Helix Express
technology.  Tracker is targeted for workgroups of 2 to 15 people, and
provides methods for establishing projects with associated documents,
the creation of "routing slips" which control the movement of
documents and other data from one member of the workgroup to another,
with provisions for version control, multiple stage approval, reverse
motion and all the other features needed.  In addition, Tracker
provides an Archiving function which will store multiple versions of
completed project, boilerplate, and the like."

Note that the Helix stuff was a product of ODESTA, who were broken up into
smaller bits just recently.  They used to have a VERY expensive documentation 
management system which ran on VMS.  They were also the authors of the 
Macintosh Relational DB called "Double Helix".  Helix Express, and (now I 
guess) Tracker use Double Helix.  Helix Express however, still requires a 
dedicated "server".  It appears that Tracker doesn't, but could be wrong.

Other 'Document Management' systems tie you into their own documents, ie -
you couldn't produce with FrameMaker.  If you're tied to FrameMaker, I'm not
aware of anything else that could do the job, and would be interested in
info if there is/are.


As I said before, this is not much good if you don't work on a Mac.

G'luck

    Paul Menon,
    Dept of Computer Science,
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, 
    124 Latrobe Street,
    Melbourne 3001, 
    Victoria, Australia.

email:	pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au
PH:	+61 3 660 3209
FAX:	+61 3 662 1617
From: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Spell Checking Anomaly!
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM

|> |> >  - if you're on an Apollo or HP and your executable is maker3X.exe
|> |> >    (somewhere down in $FMHOME/bin/bin.<your platform>), execute
|> |> >    the command (while down in that directory):
|> |> >
|> |> >      strings maker3X.exe | grep What
|> |> >
|> |> >    and see what you get.
|> |> 
|> On my SPARC with FrameMaker 2.1, I get this:
|> 
|> "What?  Evacuate now, in our moment of triumph? 
|> Surely you overestimate their chances."
|> 
|> Hmmm...what does it mean?
|> 
|> 

    The quote is from "Star Wars", where the commanding general of the
    Death Star has just been informed that the Rebels are attacking their
    one vulnerable spot.

    What it means in terms of FrameMaker I have no idea, except that it
    may be an internal error message, perhaps used to debug crash and
    recovery procedures.

    If anyone can generate this message while running Frame, I'd like to
    know how you did it.


     - JWJ            No .sig file today, my sig builder's on strike.
                         (Damn C unions.)
From: chl@cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Solaris 2
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:10:06 GMT


I am in the process of acquiring Framemaker 3.1, OpenLook version. I had
assumed, perhaps naively, that Frame would have written this using the
upwards compatibility guidlines that Sun have been promulgating for a good
two years now, in particular by using shared libraries, at least for system
calls.

To make sure, I called Frame International in Dublin. The sales droid seemed
to think that the present version was NOT compatible with Solaris 2, and
that there would be a new release for the purpose (but she could give me no
timescale whatsoever for this). However, I am quite sure that she did not
really understand the question, nor even realise that there was a question
to be asked. She promised that a techie would ring back, but nothing
happened.

So can someone out there (preferably the official Frame watcher of this
group) please post the true position.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: MacDraw and Powerpoint filters?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:30:54 GMT

In article <naren.717460624@gaia.sce.carleton.ca> naren@sce.carleton.ca (Narendra Mehta) writes:
>
>Any one know of filters which will convert MacDraw and PowerPoint files
>into Frame files? 

I've had good success with this by doing Save As ... and 
selecting the PICT format for the draw file on the mac,
then copying the PICT file (data fork only, not using MacBinary
headers) to my Sun, then running the picttomif filter provided
by Frame as part of their filter pak.  (My employer sprang for
the filter pak).

>I have sent a fax to Frame regarding this, but I think it will be much
>faster getting a response from the net!

I bet you're wrong!  Frame support has always been prompt for me.

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Subject: FrameMaker on portable computers
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:00:28 GMT

Dear Framers,

I would like to receive information of users
who have experience with running FrameMaker
on portable computers (MSDOS/Sparc/Apple).

Please send your info including configuration,
performance and document/graphics interchange
to me.



					Regards,

					Ed.

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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame3.1A crashing on references
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:51:28 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <2148@dutiws.tudelft.nl> graaff@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Hans de Graaff)  
writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a problem right now with the OpenLook version of Frame3.1A.
> Almost always when I want to include a reference in a document frame
> dumps core on me. I am working with a book which contains some 10
> documents, but even when I refer to the current document it dumps
> core.
> 
> In the tradition of good bugs: sometimes it does work.

Have you tried making xrefs within a completely blank document - one which has  
never had an xref placed in it?

FrameMaker always gets at least somewhat confused if an xref source gets copied.  
This forces a reference to try to decide between 2 equivalent xref sources. If you  
have multiple identical xref sources by any chance, this could be part of your  
problem.

Just a thought.

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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: poor math equations
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:34:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

>
>No hints were given (even under pressure) about the release date,
>'though.  So I have no idea whether we are talking about next summer,
>or two years from now...  Any rumours, anyone?
>
>But anyway, send in your comments... It is the only pro-active way to put
>pressure on Frame to change.

 	I talked with a customer rep a few days ago, and she implied that
since the current version of Frame has been out a while that she
expects a new version *soon*.  Soon could be by the end of the year, because
she said that they usually release updates every year or so.

	Hopefully they will have drastically improved their equation editor, or
just have it output tex code, that would make everyone here happy!
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Re: Document management systems
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 13:20:27 GMT


There are several good document management / workflow / configuration
management software products out there. If you work in a Sun/HP/RS6000
environment, I'd recommended CMS - Configuration Management System
from Workgroup Technologies in Waltham, MA. (617) 895-1500.

I used to work for them, and their tool is pretty good. Fairly reasonably
priced as such things go. And they've sold it in the UK so all those
issues should be much of a problem.

luck!

Brighid
brighid@bass.lkw.com
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Frame to TeX conversion?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:33:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester


	Recently my lab group has acquired the demo version of Frame 3.0 and
the only real problem that we have with it is that its equation generator
is terribly inferior to that of Tex's.  The question now is whether there
exists a filter that will convert a Frame document to TeX.  If anyone
knows of a filter that converts from any unix wordprocessor to TeX 
I would really be interested to hear from them.  


Thanks a lot,

Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Document management systems
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 13:23:38 GMT


One more thing about CMS - the software I described in an earlier
post. It requires a Sun/HP/RS6000 as a server. What your users use
to see it is pretty flexible - Suns, Macs, PCs, even character cell
terminals.

Brighid
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame