HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Irritating BNU FOSSIL / Telegard display conflict
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:35:24 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>When using BNU release 5 with Telegard 2.7 on my true blue AT (with  
>monochrome graphics) I get blinky crap on the screen, and the fossil  
>driver message *always* pops up and tries to draw itself over the Telegard  
>WFC menu.
>
>I'm running it as BNU.SYS, with the /F+ and /M- flags to do fast ANSI and  
>(supposedly) suppress the stupid message, but the message just doesn't get  
>suppressed.  Everything seems to function, but it's hideous and you can't  
>read the bottom of the WFC menu.

Definitely use the .EXE version of BNU (not only will it probably solve
this problem, but you'll have more control over your port(s) and buffers).

Also, turn off "fast ansi" -- I seriously doubt you'll notice a difference
in output speed (get out your stopwatch and try it *grin*), and using F-
will force BNU to check with BIOS for screen writes, instead of just
assuming it's okeigh to write whatever it wants wherever it wants whenever
it wants however it wants...
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: BBS reviews.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:53:53 GMT


I am the BBS/online service reviewer for MicroTimes, one of the Bay Area
computer publications.  I mostly (but not exclusively) write about Bay
Area BBSs.

ere have been two BBS lists floating around Bay Area BBSs for quite some
time.  I have been advised that the problem with trying to maintain even
*lists* is that it is a *lot of work* to keep them up to date.  What
comes up often comes down.  So it seems pointless to do all the hard work
of a review and maintain review lists *on any scale*.

But I do have a work-around.  I am going to bring up a central information
BBS (by renting space on someone else's board) to store my reviews for
download (and they are mine, folks--if they've been copied, it's without
my permission), to gateway the Usenet BBS newsgroups, and to set up a
couple of local message areas for *non-technical* discussions of the
virtual world.  Unfortunately, I am mostly unemployed right now and can't
afford even the small charge this board will cost me, so I've had to put
it off until I can support it financially.

So you might consider doing the same thing in Seattle--it would act as a
central database, and you could, of course, add anything you wanted to
your downloads (with permissions, of course).  And miscellaneous lists
will find their way to you if you let people know you're looking for them.
Just today someone sent me a *huge* list of national religious BBSs,
supposedly updated 7/12/92.  And there are other people who maintain
lists of specific types of BBSs--I know someone maintains a list of
medical/health/EMT BBSs.  You'll find these things once you start looking
for them.

Just a thought.
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Computing Across America
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:58:58 GMT


Leonard, unfortunately you didn't see the program with Steve Roberts.  He
stated *repeatedly* that he's on the Internet and he also mentioned that
he has an account and frequently uploads his writing to GEnie.  You simply
don't know what you're talking about.
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
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From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Pronouncing GNU (was Re: New York Times article on BBS's)
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:40:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

hobbit@ac.dal.ca writes:

>What I'm curious about, is how do you folks pronounce 'GNU'?  
>'Nu' is proper (for the animal, anyway) but i've never heard anything 
>but 'ge-nu' used for the software.

Some official GNU doc that I read suggested that the G be pronounced,
"to avoid horrible confusion."  I've always said GNU (one syllable),
although Gee New could work too.

-- 
Jay Pfaffman, Computer Coordinator        pfaffman@pilot.njin.net
Dwight-Englewood School, 315 E. Palisade Ave.                      
Englewood, NJ  07631-0489                 201-569-9500
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Searchlight BBS Software (was Searchlight sucks)
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:24:15 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <Brv58H.54G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
> Firstly, please excuse me in that I dont know what RTFM means, but the
> context of the sentence gives me an idea.

Read The <take your pick> Manual.

> Secondly, are you a USER of SL or a SYSOP?
> There are big differences in the 2 perspectives.  From a user's standpoint
> its not so bad.

It's okay, the latest version is very customizable as far as menus go.

> I will further expound on the reasons SL sucks if you really want me to.

Go for it -- but have you used the newer versions with the customizable
menus or just the old 2.15 or earlier one?

-- 
Pat Cain, PO Box 2060, Wellington, NZ  ()  em: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Searchlight sucks
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:31:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

peckd@lonexc.rl.af.mil (Daniel P. Peck) writes:

>*I* have used, and DO use SearchLight BBS.  And, I can tell you that I think
>you should RTFM before you speak!  Actually, I didn't even HAVE to read
>the docs to understand SearchLight!  If you can't understand it, that's your
>problem, but I don't see why you couldn't.  In my opinion, SearchLight BBS
>is the EASIEST BBS to use and understand!  No, don't go back to sleep - WAKE
>UP!

Firstly, please excuse me in that I dont know what RTFM means, but the context
of the sentence gives me an idea.  Secondly, are you a USER of SL or a SYSOP?
There are big differences in the 2 perspectives.  From a user's standpoint
its not so bad.  The ansi menu system is a Good Thing.  But if youve ever
tried to run an SL board, you would see just how incredibly poor a piece
of software it is from the sysop's perspective.  Right down to the fact
that when you order it on 1.44M 3.5" disk, you get a 720K disk that has been
punched to allow it to be formatted to 1.44M.  For the goddamn $100+ it
costs, I think youre entitled to a real HD disk.  
I will further expound on the reasons SL sucks if you really want me to.
From: visbrown@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BILL)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul20.080858.145@sdg.dra.com>, sean@sdg.dra.com writes...
>The business section of the Sunday (July 19) New York Times had an article
>on BBS's.  Overall a pretty standard intro to BBS article.  But one thing
>caught my attention, the pronunciation of the word "sysop."   I've always
>heard "sysops" pronounced as "sis-ops", not "sigh-sops" as written in the
>article.  Is this a New York accent?, or have I been saying it wrong for
>the last twelve years?
>-- 
>Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
>Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100

Apparently, it is.  I never ran into it until I move to NY from the 
Midwest myself.  Considering the origin of the term, "sis-op" makes more 
sense.

Bill Brown
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Netters, Please!  Watch expletives here
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:49:49 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:

> Netters,  please!  COMP.BBS.MISC is *NOT* the place to let your language
> run loose!  Most of us seem to have a sense of decency for some of our
> fellow users, but a few don't really care. For those that don't care, please
> do the rest of us a favor and carry your filthy language to alt.filth.nothing
> and let us discuss *intelligent* stuff here.
> 
> Thanks.

As I've commented before in other places... there's no way Texas Micro will
ever succeed in producing a fault-tolerant computer, as nothing tolerant ever
came from Texas.

Sip on that for a while.


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing GNU (was Re: New York Times article on BBS's)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:05:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.143929.18879@wraxall.inmos.co.uk> des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:
>In article <Jul.24.22.40.29.1992.17740@pilot.njin.net>, pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) writes:
>>hobbit@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>>What I'm curious about, is how do you folks pronounce 'GNU'?  
	[...]
>
>"i'm a Gnu, i'm a Gnu
	[...]
>
>where the G's indicate a pronounced G. i've forgotten
>what animal the <??> is and i think i've also missed out
>a couple of lines ... but you get the general idea.
>
>

(Not picking on Dave) I took electronics because I couldn't speak English.
I then branched off into Computers because I didn't have to worry about
English. I now can not speak English correctly, so I don't care how we
pro-nunce anythin'! I got me a moe-deem (care of Dune) and use G N U
M acks (emacs). 
	So since I ain't no English major, I ain't gonna care, is I.

[Take that with tongue in cheek, you stupid english people!] ;-}

NJC

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From: davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:46:52 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

According to 70465.203@compuserve.com:
>Neither of your counter examples applies. They are both *acronyms*
>constructed from the initial letters of a phrase. In such cases, prounciation
>is pretty much determined by what it looks like.
>
>On the other hand, "sysop" is formed by combining *syllables*. It's in
>effect a contraction of the words "system operator". And the path may 
>have been that system got frequently shortened to "sys" and operator
>got shortened to "op". *Then* they got combined.

So I own a 2400bps Mah-Deem, then?

- David
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: me@nextross.worldbank.org (My Account)
Subject: European/Asia-Pacific Glossaries
Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:07:55 GMT

I am looking for glossaries of common technology terms and acronymns  
covering European nations, the EC, and Asia-Pacific.  Please EM me or post  
any sources or short glossaries that you might have.

Thanks in advance,

RPAUL@WORLDBANK.ORG@INTERNET
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Computing Across America
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:15:30 GMT


Small world, Ron :-).  In fact, he demonstrated the satellite dish a couple
of times.  (Yes, he showed probably every feature on the bike.)

Now if we could only get an *address* for him . . . :-)
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Searchlight (Bidirectional Flame)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:54:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:

>>2) Many people hate Searchlight.

>one person hates Searchlight.

Get a life, fnord.  If you think Im the only one you are ignorant indeed.

>The Message Threading on Searchlight is superior to any product on the
>market. When a message comes up, there is an indicator of the number of
>replies to it.  You can read these replies without losing your place.  You
>can jump up the thread, or across the thread very easily.

Message threading on SL is totally confusing.  I have yet to figure out
the difference between "Top" and "Original" message, or "Next" and
"Sequential".  Im sure fnord will now diligently explain the differences
to me, and tell me how simple it really is (to him) but the fact remains 
that it is confusing to new users. Hell its confusing to old users!  
And there is no online help which explains it satisfactorily, or even 
in the manual.  SL once again leaves you in the dark.

>The decision was made not to incorporate such information because

>1) it rapidly fills up disk space   and

How nice to know that Frank made that choice for you, instead of
leaving it up to you.  Frankie knows best?  I dont think so.....

>2) it is contrary to the author's philosophy of BBSing.  That is Frank
>didn't really go for "The Sysop as big brother"

Yes, and along with that philosophy, SL doesnt even let the sysop see
the users' passwords.  A sorry "feature" indeed.  That says "well we
dont trust you and we think that you might share your users' passwords
with other sysops so you arent allowed to see."  
So when a user forgets his password and asks you what it is, you look
like an idiot having to tell him "I dont know, I can only reset it
for you."

>From what I gathered from our sole major vocal opponent of Searchlight in
>private e-mail transactions, the problem is that after the first major
>upgrade, they cost $25.  (This naturally excludes maintenence releases)

Dont even think that I am alone in this fnord, Im just the only SL sysop
who doesnt like it AND who happens to read this group AND has the motivation 
to speak up about it.  The fact is that the =majority= of SL sysops I know
would not buy it again.  The fact that they dont have internet access or
dont read this group or just dont care to get involved in this debate doesnt
mean theyre not out there.

By the way, the upgrades cost $30, not $25.  If you want a diskette mailed
to you, you can add another 6 bucks on top of that.  For that $6 you get
a 720K diskette that has been hole-punched and formatted to 1.44M, and a
floppy mailer with $.65 postage on it.  

You wanted facts, those are facts.  Opinion is still the same, Searchlight 
sucks!
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: Re: News(AP, Dow Jones, etc) feeds for BBSes??
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:37:10 GMT

Have you tried emailing the address they list?  I did once and they
even sent me a note back. (can't remember what for...)


---------------------OS/2 v2.0 -- It's heeeeerrrreee!!!!!-----------------------
James C. Barrett (barrett@cc.gatech.edu)| "I'm speechless...               
Georgia Tech College of Computing       |      I am without speech." - George
From: mcglk@bike.rad.washington.edu (Ken McGlothlen)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: BBS reviews.
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:50:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dubious.

You know, I've seen a lot of BBS lists out there that give the name, the phone
number, the line settings, and *maybe* a word or two of the subject matter,
flavor, or what have you.  But I have *never* seen a competent list out there
which actually discusses the board at all, or reviews it, or critiques it, or
competently lists anything about it.

I am willing to compile such a catalog, as long as *I* don't have to pay any
long-distance charges.  I can write up reviews for the Seattle area, but I'm
willing to collect them from any area, neaten up the reviews, and stick them in
an FTP directory somewhere.  I'd prefer to do this with as little actual work
(i.e., dialing out) as I can possibly get away with.  :)

Does this sound good to anyone, or does it seem unnecessary?  Personally, I'd
love to see one out there, but. . . .

Suggestions for the format for such a catalog would be welcome, too.

				---Ken McGlothlen
				   mcglk@cpac.washington.edu
				   mcglk@cpac.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: News(AP, Dow Jones, etc) feeds for BBSes??
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:36:31 GMT

Hello comp.bbs,

I was thinking about offering a news service on my BBS (Dow Jones, AP, USA Today,
etc...).

I have seen files on BBSes for USA Today and AP but when I try to follow up 
the info in the files I either get a "number disconnected" message, or a
constant busy signal -- over a three hour period in one case!!!!

Do any of you currently offer news on your BBSes?  If so, please pass on any,
and all the info you can spare!  Thanks in advance...

Cheers,
Howie  ( howie@fnma.COM )





Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ahall@nmsu.edu (HALL)
Subject: Re: Searchlight sucks (NOT))
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:35:49 GMT

You don't pay $100+ for a HD disk.  You pay for the BIOS redirection routines that Searchlight supplies.  This makes doors so easy to use.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Netters, Please! Watch expletives here
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:29:47 GMT

In article <Bry55G.813@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
>We all hear and use these words every day, and no words have been used
>that cant be said on the radio.  So deal with it or get lost.

Which given the quality of today's shock radio format I'm not sure I'd like
to see it repeated on usenet.

-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: CCRO <CCRO@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU>
Subject: question for QuickBBS Sysop's
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:43:36 GMT


     Could some one out there tell me what a type 15 door in a QBBS
is.  I run a Maximus BBS and I was told that QBBS door programs will
work with Maximus.

    Thanks .. Rodney



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rodney Olson              * Univeristy of Western Sydney, Macarthur
Computer Technician       * Teaching & Services Computing Centre
                          * New South Wales, Australia
ph:  +61 46 203 425       *
fax  +61 46 26 6937       *
email: R.Olson@uws.edu.au *
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: doc@magna.com (Matthew J. D'Errico)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing GNU (was Re: New York Times article on BBS's)
Organization: Magna Software Corporation
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:43:53 GMT

In article <Jul.24.22.40.29.1992.17740@pilot.njin.net> pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) writes:
>hobbit@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>Some official GNU doc that I read suggested that the G be pronounced,
>"to avoid horrible confusion."  I've always said GNU (one syllable),
>although Gee New could work too.

I say always go with the "official" word...  The good folks at GNU who
bring us lots of great *free* software, all yield to their founder and
say "GuhNew"...  Remember that "GNU" is an acronym (GNU's Not Unix), so
it's very proper to enounce the "G"...

BTW -- the "official" document you refer to is the original charter which
is in a form of a "README" file distributed with most GNU libs...

Cheers...

-- Doc
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:15:46 GMT

lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.152041.28854@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>>In <1992Jul23.180127.1359@qiclab.scn.rain.com> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:
>>
>>>medic@milton.u.washington.edu (Travis Lauricella) writes:
>>
>>>For what it is worth, The *format* is owned by Compuserve. They just
>>>let folks use it freely. And the standards document says it is pronounced
>>>"jif"...

>Since when does someone own a format?  Are you telling me that if I encode
>a piece of graphics copyright me into .GIF format that Compuserve owns
>my file?

No, they own the 'GIF' or 'Graphics Interchange Format' and its
encoding scheme as a servicemark.  They invented it, they own it.
They just happen to publish the specs and allow people to (freely?)
use it. (It's the NAME that they own, mostly  - the schemes used in
it are basically free in that so many other schemes use the same
methods)

If you make a piece of graphics, you own that, no matter what scheme
you choose to encode it.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Netters, Please! Watch expletives here
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:50:48 GMT
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:

>>Netters,  please!  COMP.BBS.MISC is *NOT* the place to let your *******
>>language run loose!  Most of us seem to have a sense of ******* decency
>>for some of our fellow ******* users, but a few don't really *******
>>care. For those that don't ******* care, please do the ******* rest of
>>us a ******* favor and carry your filthy ******* language to *******
>>alt.filth.nothing. and let us discuss ******* *intelligent* stuff here.

Sorry, I just had to have a little fun with that. :-]

>Stop whining.  If there are certain words you absolutely can't stand to
>see, put them in your killfile.

Or, perhaps you could hack up your newsreader to act as a censor for you
so that those nasty words don't get presented to your users.  Oh, but be
careful about those random streams of characters found in uuencoded
files!

>hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
| |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
 \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
     \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
       `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."
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