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From: chapman@centerline.com (Scott Chapman, (Scott Chapman x233))
Subject: Re: More SpaceSaver troubles
Reply-To: chapman@centerline.com
Organization: CenterLine Software
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:34:25 GMT

I too have an update, which I feel is important.

It appears that many of the desktop file related problem I had reported the
other day (with regards to SS), were not caused by SS, as far as I can tell.
I removed all the desktop related files (I could have sworn I had done this
before!), and many of the problems went away (icons were restored, no more
"missing application" messages).

All in all, the behaviour was much more deterministic.

I still am having some problems with it, which Aladdin is aware of:
1) "Get Info" causes files to be uncompressed.
   Aladdin is considering a hack that would understand the finder's intentions
   and not uncompress the file (unlikely you will see this for a while). 
2) No easy way to accuratly determine how much space is being save by compressed
   files.
3) Files getting uncompressed when the desktop is rebuilt. It is likely you will
   see a patch for this before too like (I hope!).

Other problems I have reported:
1) DiskFit Pro uncompresses the files when backing up. 
2) Running a script did not "compress" files, it just stuffed them, resulting in
   0% space saving in SD 3.0
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                    Scott Chapman | chapman@centerline.com
              CenterLine Software | (617) 498-3230
                   10 Fawcett St. | (617) 868-6655 (FAX)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: CPUseless???
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:17:57 GMT

I am currently writing this on a Powerbook 170 with a 120 meg drive
and a Global Village Powerport modem (used to connect to the
Stanford mainframe).

According to CPU (Connectix Powerbook Utilities), I have 22 minutes
of battery left. The only problem is that I've had 22 minutes of
battery left for about half an hour. Since then I've run an
Autodobuler scan and a full Disinfectant run. No problems, no
battery reduction either.

I got CPU from a friend (not pirated, he gave me the whole package)
and am glad I didn't buy it. It is nice to be able to customize some
settings but the whole thing seems awfully cumbersome and -- more
importantly -- utterly useless.

It's clock is too far over to the left  to appear in almost any
application (while SuperClock did just fine before) and you can't
use it with SuperClock because it pushes SC even farther left.

This does not leave me impressed. Nor do the additional crashes I've
experienced since installing CPU. Maybe next time? Maybe GUM? Who
knows but the guy who gave me CPU did it the same day he lunched
with Guy (as in Kawasaki, as is Guy's Utilities for Macintosh).

More posting to follow as I continue my real-life CPU test. Also
more details on why I don't like the user interface of it.

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
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From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Aug15.090110.17627@newstand.syr.edu>
	<D88-JWA.92Aug16211653@dront.nada.kth.se>
	<1992Aug17.085411.1754@newstand.syr.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:28:50 GMT

.edu> greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

   >   And this is no small point.  If you look at most of the programming tools that
   >   you talk about as "basic" or "fundamental" that you are worried about having
   >   to license, you will see that the vast majority are old enough that, even if
   >   they had been patented, they would be public domain now.
   >
   >Like a host-independent byte order, or hashing to find a match
   >in LZ77 compression ?

   Who said that nothing *useful* would be under patent?

   Some people were claiming that the face of programming would be changed forever
   as the most fundamental techniques which all programmer's use (like quicksort,
   for example) would require licensing.  I hardly think that the two examples
   that you cite can be considered, at this time, to be fundamental techniques
   that all (or most) programmer's can be expected to use.


HUH !?

I independently (re-)discovered both of these techniques without
even thinking about it. It's not algorithms; it's like patenting
the addition operator.

   I really think we need to inject some reality here--the reaction I see here
   seems to border on hysteria over the "patent menace."

What if someone painted a painting of an apple, and forbade
everyone else to paint apples. That's the kind of patents we
get now. However, using the EXACT SAME apple (hash function,
communications protocol) could be protectable without too many
problems.

   As I have said before, I do *not* know how patents should (or should not) be
   applied to algorithms, but let's try to deal approach the question with
   rational expectations.

That's what I'm doing, by showing what's wrong with the present
situation (and what some in the industry want to move towards)

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
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From: ziff@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: FWB Hammer Tools
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152928.25583@email.tuwien.ac.at> Stephan Bublava <krapf@email.tuwien.ac.at> writes:
>I would like to know which is the last version of the FWB Hard Disk
>Toolkit. At the moment we are using:
>
>	Hard Disk Toolkit		1.1

I just called FWB right now and the latest version is 1.1.1.  To get it you 
must send you original disks to 
FWB
2048 Polk Street
Suite 215
San Francisco, CA  94109
ATTN: Software Update

Now whether this will fix your problem is another story.

Brian Moore
DCO Macintosh Consultant
From: u_banzai@mcl.ucsb.edu (Marc Tamsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Is there a MacTCP-based Archie client??
Date: 23 Aug 92 10:34:17 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute for Strageic Information & Biomedical Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-slip18.ucsd.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6BCB729CA010B12@dial-slip18.ucsd.edu>
X-XXDate: Sun, 23 Aug 92 03:31:53 GMT

Well, after finding out there is no such beast, I decided I am going to write
it.

I've collected a bunch of MacTCP example code, and I'm going to sit down this
week and write the thing.

Anyone have suggestions for features, interface designs, anything?

----------
u_banzai@mcl.ucsb.edu    	  KB6JWE		 Marc Tamsky

In New Salem, ND stands the worlds largest Holstein Cow.
12000#, 38' H, 50' L.....	it's fiberglass!
From: knapp@cs.purdue.EDU (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler & Norton Filesaver slows Mac down?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:15:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article <1992Aug17.185732.7819@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes:
>gukgn@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Kim Guan Ng) writes:
>>I currently have Norton Filesaver installed on my Mac and am considering
>>buying Autodoubler as I am running out of HD space (who isn't :-) ).
>>However, I remember glancing through articles fairly recently saying
>>that AD slows down any machine which needs to frequently write temporary
>>files such as Filesaver. Is this true, because if the slowdown is great,
>>I may want to reconsider buying AD (or give up Filesaver).

The problem here is not so much the slow down, but the fact that
FileSaver is rendered ineffective by programs that generate lots of
temp files. This is because file recovery utilities keep a record of
only the most recently deleted files. 

Consider the case in which you delete file x, after which AD runs,
creating and erasing enough temp files so that x is no longer on the
recovery list. When you notice that you deleted x in error, and try to
recover it, you are out of luck.

Not that for similar reasons running a disk optimizer (such as
Disk Express) makes file recovery much less reliable. This is because
the sectors used by the file to be recovered might have been reused in
the optimization process, overwriting the original data.

In short: It is probably a waste of resources running a file recovery
utility, a defragmenter, and a compressor all at once in the
background.

Edgar Knapp
From: rick@proust.CERCA.UMontreal.CA (Richard Lefebvre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: change of file type/creator ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:04:04 GMT
Organization: Cerca, Universite de Montreal

Is it possible to change an application's file creation type and creator
(through ResEdit) when it save a file.
-- 
Richard Lefebvre               CEntre de Recherche en Calcul Applique (CERCA)
Email: rick@CERCA.UMontreal.CA                 5160 Boul. Decarie, bureau 400
tel: (514)369-5224, fax:-3880                                Montreal H3X 2H9
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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Where to find Flowfazer ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:14:48 GMT

hunter@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Hunter Scales) writes:
>Hi:
>Does anyone know where to find Flowfazer?  I know it is commercial
>but I cant seem to find anyone that carries it.
MacWarehouse used to carry it.  Don't know if they they still do.
-Terry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: 93jay@williams.edu (Jonathan Young)
Subject: Re: Comments on Miracle Piano teaching system
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.091424.1830@newstand.syr.edu> greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:
>In article <WRIGHT.92Aug16133202@aelle.cs.odu.edu> wright@aelle.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN) writes:
>>
>>	     Has anyone used Miracle, one of those piano teaching system, for
>>	     Macintosh. I am thinking of getting me one but I would like
>>	     to hear other comments of it.
>>
>>
>>Sure!  Invest your money into a private piano teacher if you want to
>>learn how to play the piano.  I love electronic music as much as
>>the next guy, but it is absurd to believe that a simple music
>>software program can answer a user's every need!!!!
>>
>>Electronic music should supplement musical activities, not supplant!!!
>>
>>[I say these things without ever seeing Miracle Piano.]
>
>
>I absolutely reject this reasoning.  It is essentially flawed, and smacks
>of elitism.
>
>Given that *many* reasonable *casual* musicians are essentially self-taught,
>it makes no sense to suggest that the Miracle Piano might not be helpful
>for someone who's current interest in music is casual (which I expect is
>a valid assumption for many interested in the Miracle Piano), without ever
>having seen the system.
>
>What is absurd is the suggestion that the Miracle Piano should be *expected*
>to answer every user's every need!
>
>(And I point out that it is highly unlikely that any private piano teacher
>could answer every user's every need, either.)
>
>I have not seen the Miracle Piano either, so I have no idea how useful it
>is.  In principle, however, I see no reason why such a system should be
>inherently incapable of serving many of a user's needs.
>
>
>By all means, people who are interested in music as more than a casual pursuit
>should consider the more traditional alternatives.  And many casual musicians
>who aspire to more serious pursuits will find it necessary to use use
>traditional techniques to educate themselves.
>
>But none of this suggests that, for many people, an automated system might
>not provide the best cost and convenience to price ratio.
>

Speaking as someone who *has* used the Miracle Piano system...

It's not bad really, some of the drills can be annoying but overall it
is quite handy especially for those of us who cannot devote time for a
"regular" piano teacher. The main problem I have with the system is
that the software is not usable with ATM. Lately I have been using the
built in lessons less and less and going more with just the keyboard
and some sheet music. More satisfying really, and I've gotten much
farther than I ever did with those hated piano lessons in 3rd grade.


Jonathan Young
Williams College Astronomy Dept.


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From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Subject: Re: In Control vs Daymaker?
Reply-To: rkmossm@PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:07:37 GMT

Where and how did you get the demos? I could buy one of them from somewhere like
MacConnection, try it, and then return it in exchange for the other one, try it
and then decide. But, obviously, that takes a lot of time and effort on
everyone's part and isn't really the intent of the return policy.

-- 
Richard K. Mossman  {att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!rkmossm
510/823-0974
=========================================================================
"I need to put some distance between overkill and me!" -- E. John (1988)
From: robg@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Rob Gerth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Mac PC Exchange, AccessPC & DOSMounter
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:15:56 GMT
Reply-To: robg@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

Hi,
Does anyone have experience with Apple's Macintosh PC Exchange and is willing
to comment on its virtues/vices as compared to AccessPC and DOSMounter?

At the moment, I am using AccessPC but I find it very fussy about accepting
DOS disks.  It often happens that AccessPC barfs on a disk that is perfectly
readable on DOS machines. I am sure that it's not a drive problem because
in all these cases I have been able to read the disk on the same drive using
DOSMounter.

So, I am looking for another application to read/write DOS disks.

If there is an interest I'll summarize the responses.
ROb

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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.2 & MS Word 5.0 -- Can They Get Along?
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:21:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Murasami Labs

Zhimin Chen wrote:

> I found recently that PageMaker 4.2 doesn't important files from Word 5.0
> nor does it from WordPerfect 2.0. What's the problem with PageMaker?

> Does anyone have come up with a solution? Suggestions will be appreciated.

Make sure the following file exsists.

System Folder:Aldus:Aldus Filters:MS Word 4.0 - 5.0 Import.flt

I assume that is the filter handling MS Word 5.0 importing.
I've used Word 5.0 with PMaker 4.2.

James
From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Unmounting
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:00:54 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.apps.
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Fri Aug 21 12:00:49 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

Does anyone out there know of an extension or hack to keep the finder from
unmounting disks at shutdown?  I've got an optical disk, and I'd like the
disk to stay in instead of being kicked out when I shut down.  Please respond
to the newsgroup as my mail account snuffed it on Wed.
King
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT!!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:29:00 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications


Regardless of authenticity, it's messages like this that make me wonder
who the a**holes out there writing these things think they are.

--Purp, all for hanging Robert Morris, Jr.
-- 
+---------------+------------------------------+-----------------------+
| Jim Meyer     | If I express an opinion, you | purp@wixer.cactus.org |
| Austin, Tejas | can bet no one else agrees.  | aka jimpurp@pro-lep   |
+---------------+------------------------------+-----------------------+
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: How to convert: KAPS-TEXT => lower case
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:27:29 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

george@mech.seas.upenn.edu writes:

-> case conversion is one of the ( few ) actual features microsoft 
-> added to word with version 5. It can do 'all upper', 'all 
-> lower', 'sentence', 'swap case', etc. 

I wonder if Microsoft has a thing about the number 5.  This feature was built
into DOS Word 5.0, which has been out for some time now.  I always wondered
why it wasn't in Mac Word 4.0...  At any rate, handy feature.

--Adam--
 
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From: Ian Catlin <catlin@iosg.enet.dec.com>
Subject: In Control vs Daymaker?
Organization: digital
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:45:04 GMT

I'm interested in buying one of these applications, but I've been unable
to get any info on 
In Control.  I've got the Daymaker demo, and I'm impressed.  I'd like to
get some information on In Control before I make the purchase...

Any offers?

Cheers,

Ian.


All my views are my own and not those of my company, wife, friends,
relations and dog.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Ian Catlin <catlin@iosg.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: In Control vs Daymaker?
Organization: digital
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
     <collin.714189323@angelo> <1992Aug19.080400.3244@rdg.dec.com>
     <1992Aug19.170737.2835@pbhyb.PacBell.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:35:49 GMT


>Where and how did you get the demos? 

I downloaded the In Control Demo from Compuserve.  The Daymaker  demo was
available internally in my Company...

Ian.

All my views are my own and not those of my company, wife, friends,
relations and dog.
From: Dantz Development Corporation <dantz@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:35 PDT
Subject: Re: Retrospect problems
Nf-ID: #R:69a-7kB@engin.umich.edu:1134603863:cdp:1533900021:000:2299
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dantz    Aug 12 09:35:00 1992



Roy:

I'm sorry if you've had problems getting through to our tech 
support. We do take many calls on an incoming basis and we do 
call people back who leave messages. We also answer e-mails usually 
with a one day turnaround sent to: 

DANTZ.TECH@AppleLink.Apple.com or AppleLink: DANTZ.TECH

Do you know what address you mailed your questions to that were 
not answered or when you left a phone message that was unanswered? 
I'd like to look into it. Our database shows that we talked to 
you back in March by phone and that we then received an e-mail from
you in June of this year but we show no further activity 
since then.  I've included our reply to your June e-mail here in
case you did not receive it then.

To answer your questions, 1) To re-install a Remote you do not 
always have to release the old one, install a new cdev and then 
reinstall it. It depends upon what you are trying to do. If you 
simply want to change the activator code of someone or change 
the cdev name, just uninstall (in the Remotes window of Retrospect), 
reboot the Remote mac, and then reinstall (from Retrospect again). 
The new name will now be reflected. In other words, when you 
reboot a Remote when it has an uninstalled cdev it picks up the 
current chooser name. If some other problem is going on, then 
what you are doing right now probably is the way to resolve it. 

2) Phantom zones: this is a bug in Retrospect which we will be 
fixing in a future version. I don't have a date for when a new 
version will be released, but we will definitely be fixing this. 
In the mean time the only way to make that zone name go away 
is to remove your Retro.Prep file, re log into all of your Remotes 
with a new Prep file (Retrospect creates one on launch) and recreate 
your scripts. Obviously not a simple task for most configurations. 
I suggest that you leave the phantom zone there until we fix 
the bug. Sorry for the trouble. 

Again, if you have any details on what account you e-mailed or 
when you called and did not get called back, I'll look into it. 

Thanks,

Walt Hays                  /  CIS:        73367,2416
Dantz Development Corp.    /  Connect:    DANTZ, AOL: DANTZDEV
1400 Shattuck Ave, Suite 1 /  AppleLink:  D0011
Berkeley, CA 94709, USA    /  Internet:   D0011@applelink.apple.com
From: neils@tafe.sa.edu.au (Neil Strong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: DOS/Windows Telnet Apps for use with TOPS cards over AppleTalk net.
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:46:11 GMT

Looking for suggestions:

We need a DOS/Windows Telnet Application to run on our DOS/TOPS machines.
We wish to achieve access to IP via TOPS cards (or compatible cards) over 
AppleTalk. We have a Webster Box gateway which is providing the connection
for our Macs (using NCSA Telnet 2.5) to the TCP/IP network. Many of our DOS
machines are running Windows and therefore would be particularly interested
in any Windows solutions.

Please post or send any suggestions or comments to Neils@TAFE.SA.edu.au

Thanks  -   Neil.
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From: long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: clipboard appender?
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:36:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug14.230708.14753@husc3.harvard.edu>, mirsky1@husc8.harvard.edu (David Mirsky) writes...
>Hello. I am wondering if there is a system extension which
>allows you to append text to the text already in the clipboard.

 I've seen a control panel called Scrappend. I think it's at Sumex.

Richard C. Long			long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com
			  -or-	...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long   		
			  -or-	long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
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