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From: jjaslow@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason (Jazzie) Jaslow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:33:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <102736@netnews.upenn.edu> kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw) writes:
>
>
>  Hi. I just watched the new episode. I was wondering why Picard, Worf and
> Crusher were climbing down the cliff using ropes. I am sure they have 
> some equipment like anti-grav belts or simple mechanical gadgets to aid
> the climbers in the 24th century. Any ideas why they used conventionel
> methods?


I asked myself the same question.  Spock had anti-grav books in STV.
The reply given to me by a friend was that these boots must give off
some repulsive, antigrav field.  The team was supposed to be steath
(despite the continual yelling, loud talking, noises and beeps from
the tricorders) and perhaps the Cardassians would be able to detect
this field.  Therefore one less way to detect them (unless the
Cardassians had ears of course!)  :-)

Jason T. Jaslow

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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Gaining momentum from shuttlebay
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:38:28 GMT


	I was watching Cause and Effect the other day, and I
grew skeptical when I learned that the Enterprise gained enough
momentum from opening its shuttlebay.  I mean, those air
molecules would probably have to be going at relativistic
speeds to impart a meaningful amount of momentum to the
Enterprise.  I could do a calculation, if someone would provide
me with the mass of the Enterprise and the volume of its
shuttlebay(s).  Anyone got a tech manual handy?

						-Quinn
From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Should you read this??
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:57:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


If you believe that there are many ways that science fiction can get
around the problems that relativity poses for faster than light travel,
then I urge you to read my recent post, "Relativity and FTL Travel."

If you do not know much about the concepts involved with relativity,
and you want to better understand them, then the my post can help.

I know it is a long post, and many people may have just skipped it
because of its length.  However, it does answer a lot of questions,
and I hope it will give the reader a better understanding of one of
the basic properties of the universe we live in--the property 
expressed through the Theory of Relativity.

If any one has a specific question to ask, feel free; however I will
not be able to get on my computer again until the first or second
week of January.  You may want to wait until then to post/mail your
comments and questions.

-Jay
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Stardate Question
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <wjhrc-181292163335@pavel.rc.rit.edu> wjhrc@rc.rit.edu (Bill Hoagland) writes:
<
<Oh knowledgeable ones,
<
<I understand that the accepted wisdom is that 1000 statdate units equals
<one
<earth year.
<
<Could someone tell me when this went in to effect by our calendar?

We don't know when it went into affect.  We only know that it exists by the
time we get to see the exploits of the Enterprise-D.
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From: petitc@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:36:13 GMT

mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:

>My guess is that they used ropes because the writers/producers thought it would
>impress us more if they repeled and climbed a 500 metre cliff than if they used
>some ultra-slick jet pack or winch.

>What bothered me more than that was when the bats scared Worf. That sucked.
>did anyone see that episode when they showed his childhood pet? That thing
>could eat bats and shit out canaries. I refuse to believe that Worf (being
>the Klingon super-stud that he is) would be afraid of a bat.

 Remember that Indiana Jones was afraid of snakes, and why (e.g. he fell into
a thing filled with snakes).  So, maybe Worf had something similar happen
(e.g. getting trapped in a cave filled with bats).  Or maybe Klingon bats are
just more bloodthirsty than our native Earth varieties.  :&)



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From: jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:01:53 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1g4qr6INN972@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>
>(for a single Borg ship):
>
>Establish one of Wesley's Warp Bubbles (ref. "Remember Me") and let the
>Borg thus trapped freely assimilate their rapidly shrinking universe.
>May require some further research on how to establish one large enough
>to enclose a Borg vessel, and may actually require a special unmanned
>vessel (essentially a torpedo, but may need to be shuttlecraft-sized)
>to carry the generator close enough
Thank but no, that's an incorrect response (translation it's already been done)
Read Vendetta IMHO the *best* ST TNG novel written to date.  Didn't even kill
a single borg ship although it seriously weakened it though enough to zap it
 with conventional weapons and a super version of the planet eater from TOS 
(I think the episode was The Doomsday Machine).  Good backround on Picard and
how Kirk is viewed in the 24th century.  We get mixed impressions about Kirk
in the episodes The Naked Now (...Enterprise NCC-1701 ...commanded by *a* 
Captain James T. Kirk like he was some nobody freight captain who died and
made no impact on history.  On the other hand from Unification Picard knows
all about Spock + Kirk and ST VI (although why he should remember that movie
of all things only Q knows....)) :)

Joe.

No sig. so shoot me (phasers on kill...shields up)

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From: Jem.Lewis@launchpad.unc.edu (Jem Lewis)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:50:08 GMT

In article <BzHH12.5n@mach1.wlu.ca> mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:
>
>First, the holograms in the holodeck have the properties of matter. They are
>supposedly a 'special kind of energy' unique to the holodeck that is converted
>into a 'special kind of matter' that is also unique to the holodeck. If you
>pick up a 'holo-stone' and try to take it out with you, it dissapears at the
>door. Does anyone remember the episode where Data is matching wits with 
>Moriarty, who decides to try to leave the holodeck?
>
So why does Wesley come out of the Holodeck dripping wet in _Encounter at
Farpoint_?  Shouldn't the water have disappeared?
Just a thought.

Jem Lewis


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From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:16:51 GMT

In article <BzFtG5.K47@news.iastate.edu> ltran@iastate.edu (Lang Tran) writes:

>I also seem to remember an episode where Wharf was a sheriff and was
>shot in the arm buy an image of an the "outlaw" data.


Well, it seems to me as if you get into a whole new category if you
include holodeck accidents where something "outside" was going on (in
this instance, Data's influence on the holodeck and the "power
surge").  There was also the Dixon Hill episode where the historian
(first season, can't remember his name) was seriously wounded.  In
that episode, the probe by the Hraded (?? - people with strange
language Picard had to greet) had disabled the holodeck ...

The diving accident and kayaking injury apparently (as far as we know)
took place during a "normal" holodeck program.

(If they're "normal," can I have one? :-)

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From: aq069@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Deborah Minkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: replicator
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:53:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Let's end this speculation: all replicated foods are directly transported
from my refrigerator.
From: pasc1226@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: RE : ropes in TNG ? (not)
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:50:52 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Hey,

	Maybe anti-grav could cause some distortions in the local area
and be detected on scanner or maybe it would disrupt the theata-waves
and thus cause the genetic bomb to detonate - that would not be cool. 

	It seems to me that if the Cordass'ss (what i have nicked named them)
had this super high classified genetic bomb that they could afford some remote
sensor units to detect illegal entry.

	But you know it has to be a set up, but then that's a different story.
     
	Besides the Sonic Pitons where cool, but they could have did something
else beside the pitons.

	

	 

Troy Nall
From: kchu@unixg.ubc.ca (Kwan Chu Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg
Date: 13 Dec 92 10:00:43 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca


Did anyone have all the postings about this subject? It is really a interesting
discussion....... :-)

How about put it in the FAQ?
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From: walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler)
Subject: This Borg Thing (Was Re: How to Kill a Borg)
Keywords: Assimilate
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:54:03 GMT

     Even though all the newsgroups, discussion and all this stuff is 
irrelevant and will be assimilated, I would like to contribute my 2.4 D-Marks
before assimilation into the collective:  (This may reek of 
alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg, but bare with me) 
          SUCH DISCUSSION IS IRRELEVANT.  RESISTANCE TO THE BORG IS USELESS.
THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP THE BORG. 

'nuff said

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walter@stolaf.edu              *  "The magnetic Flux capacitor...It makes
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: ropes in TNG?
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:30:27 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

I don't mean to flame you, but PLEASE use SOME SORT of spoiler protection
when posting such recent information about new episodes.  I happened to 
read this right _after_ seeing the new episode, but I could just as easily
have read the newsgroup before.  The bandwidth to post the spoiler FAQ 
every month is used for a reason.  I am posting this and not mailing it
directly because it applys to everyone.  To those that always protect 
spoilers, I'm sorry about taking your time, to those that don't, thank you
for taking heed.

	--Jon K.
From: kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: ropes in TNG?
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:27:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



  Hi. I just watched the new episode. I was wondering why Picard, Worf and
 Crusher were climbing down the cliff using ropes. I am sure they have 
 some equipment like anti-grav belts or simple mechanical gadgets to aid
 the climbers in the 24th century. Any ideas why they used conventionel
 methods?
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From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: Tricorders -- What's the Difference?
Reply-To: Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com
Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:43:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.222840.26016@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Chris Meadows) writes:
> 
> More questions about tricorders:
> 
> In the ST:TNG Technical Manual, two models of tricorder are mention-
> ed--the TR-580 and the TR-595H(P).  What's the difference between
> the two--only the TR-580 seems to be shown, unless the TR-595H(P) is
> the medical tricorder, for which no designation seems to be given.
[stuff deleted]
> Chris Meadows // CHM173S@SMSVMA // CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU

TR-595H(P) is the tricorder with the "Real Abraham Lincoln" detection grid. :=)


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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Tricorders -- What's the Difference?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:28:40 GMT


More questions about tricorders:

In the ST:TNG Technical Manual, two models of tricorder are mention-
ed--the TR-580 and the TR-595H(P).  What's the difference between
the two--only the TR-580 seems to be shown, unless the TR-595H(P) is
the medical tricorder, for which no designation seems to be given.

What's the use of the handheld sensor--the one shown in figure 10.6.3
on page 121 of the Tech Manual?  How is it different from the one 
shown in figure 13.3.1 on page 151, of the medical tricorder?


Seems to me that the design of the tricorder was influenced by the
old show and changes made to equipment in the new show.  They wanted
to have something that crew members would flip open, and since 
communicators had become badges, tricorders were their next choice...
 
:)

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From: petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Gaining momentum from shuttlebay
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:45:23 GMT

jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak) writes:

>No .sig so shoot me (red alert...shields up)

  Are these the 'old generation' shields?  'cuz if they're the 'next
generation---'improved' ' shields, one shot will drop them.  :&)






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From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:49:11 GMT

In article <_-n2p9n@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth04.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>John_Bafford%Laughing_Dragon@uu0570.foggybottom.com writes:
>>How can someone get hurt within the holodecks? I thought it was all holograms
>>and stuff.
>--remember the
>part in the TNG episode where the crew loses its memory where a girl got a
>sprained ankle from doing some cloud diving?


Yes, and there was another one where O'Brien sprained his shoulder
kayaking on the holodeck ...




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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:31:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


As discussed in rec.arts.anime (quoting from memory)....


1)Make them assimilate C-ko

2)Put C-ko's lunch in whatever they use to feed the biological
  components of the Collective (too cruel, but I'm in a cruel mood :)

3)Have Minmay sing to them

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From: mcclaine@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: GRAV, ANTI GRAV, MASS HYSTERIA
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:59:41 GMT

In article <6#j2pkg@rpi.edu> petitc@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>mcclaine@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
>
>>	Well, I don't think anyone needs to speculate on that one.  If you 
>>	watch Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home, when Spock is undergoing his
>>	rapid-fire testing on Vulcan, the computer asks him to modify a 
>>	magnetic sine wave so that antineutrinos can penetrate but 
>>	antigravitons cannot.
>
>  Where in ST:IV is this part located?  I never saw such a part.
>-- 

	Right near the beginning, before Kirk and crew lift off from
Vulcan for their Voyage home.  Remember the "HOW DO YOU FEEL?" scene?
Well, just pay attention to the questions and answers that take place.
Like the Klingon Monification Glith and [someone's] First Law of Metaphysics -
"Nothing unreal exists."... That sort of thing.

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From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: orientation
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec17.165939.28320
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <starman.03zr@crash.amigans.gen.nz> starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz writes:
>Andrew Nipperess (andrew.nipperess@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au) wrote:
>:  
>:  Dr> has said something along the lines of 'change course to one four three
>:  Dr> mark two' 
>:  Dr> Assuming that 143 is akin to a heading and that 'mark 2' might have
>:  Dr> something to do with the attitude of the ship this implies they may 
>:  Dr> have somekind of 'map'
>:  Dr> or atleast someway of orientating themselves. Though perhaps this
>:  Dr> could be a relative figure, changing course 143 degrees from the
>: 
>:  From memory, in the TNG Tech Manual, navigation uses spherical coordinates.
>:  For example- set course 165 mark 60 would mean change course to 165 degrees
>:  from going forward, then point 60 degrees up. 
>: 
>:  However, going down would need the coordinates --- mark -60 (wouldn't it?) 
>:  but I've never noticed a negative mark value mentioned.
>: 
>Maybe not think of straight up as 0 and straight down as 180
>then it should work.
>
Close, but... Also from memory, in the TNG Tech Manual:
     Heading 0 is aimed straight at the center of the galaxy.
     So heading 165 is 165 degrees away from the center of the galaxy (CoG).
     I don't remember if it is port/starboard (left/right), but instead of
     using negative numbers, use a 360 deg. system.
     Same (360 deg) goes for the Mark number.  60 is indeed 60 deg up, but
     Mark 300 would be 60 deg down.
     All headings are with regard to the galactic center and all marks
     are with regard to galactic up/down.

     Anyone know how galactic up/down was defined?
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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: Warped Computers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:18:34 EST

In article <1992Dec10.003958.10967@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
lxandr@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Alexander Lindsay) writes:

>	Anyway, why Im here is that there have been a couple of very
>interesting discussions going on about a whole mess of things, and they
>have triggered some painful questions... please excuse my ignorance if the
>question is REALLY DUMB, but hey, that's me.
>
>	1) What the hell is "Flaming"? Is it removing an article from the
>	   newsgroup?

What is it?  Immature, emotional attempts to defame people on the net, or
expressions of justified indignation.  (Everyone decides for themselves
on a case by case basis.)  Often messages are mistaken for flames when
they really aren't.  

>	2) If the computer(s?) in ST:TNG are all in a warp field, how does
>	   info pass through the barrier/envelope/field?

It drops out of warp.

>	2a And on this warped computer, since it is sped up, wouldn't it
>	   break down a hell of a lot?

Of course.  I believe the computer is horrendously redundant, though,
so failures don't have to interrupt operation.  (Don't have my Tech
Manual with me, so I'm not sure.)

>	2b AANNDD what would it be like for the starship if the warp field
>	   went down? Aha, some speculation would be appreciated.

I presume you mean the computer's warp field.  The ship's computer
would not be able to process information fast enough to maintain safety
at high warp speed.  This is open to debate however, since the range
of the Enterpise's sensors is phenomenal, and the signals propagate
at high warp.

	--Peter Kwangjun Suk



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