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From: mark@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark R. Rubin)
Subject: Technique notations
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:47:21 GMT

o In article <1992Apr16.024034@IASTATE.EDU> Ali Brown writes:

  > Actually, a lot of the more detailed, well-done tab books out nowadays
  > give explicit verbal descriptions of such antics right there in the tab
  > at the appropriate place in the tune (e.g. "Pull B string over high E
  > string and off and around the neck", "Slide microphone stand up and
  > down strings", "Strum strings behing the nut", "Rapidly flick pickup
  > selector switch", etc, etc.).  

  > Anybody have any personal favorite such descriptions?


o Well, not from tab, but I did once see a piece of Zappa sheet music
  that had pseudo-Italian time markings like "tempo di cocktail
  lounge" and "tempo di Beach Boys".  The best part was three
  consecutive measures that were notated:

	keyboard player stands up ...

	turns around ...

	sits on keyboard (both buttocks)

  with a large, chromatic, cluster of notes in the last measure.


o (Just to clarify:  I *don't* read standard notation, and I am a big
  believer in tab.  I like Zappa's humor, and music, in any form,
  though.)



MARK
mark@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What so great about Martin guitar ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:15:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Apr11.184637.8195@ousrvr.oulu.fi> pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen) writes:
|>SoSomebody mentioned the maple "bridge plate".  Were you talking about the
|piece I just call the "bridge", which is on the outside of the top and
|supports the saddle, or to the thin reinforcing piece that is on the inside 
|of the top just underneath.  I could be easily be wrong, but I thought that
|	bridge plate is the thin reinforcing piece that is on the inside
|	of the top just underneath.

BTW - I just though I'd add here, on the back of all the other stuff
I've posted about braces and things, that the bridge has a far greater
effect on the acoustical properties of the top plate than just about 
all the other braces put together. (To be careful here, it does depend on
which ones to an extent, but this should apply to any from the sound
hole downwards). And if there is a reinforcing plate under the bridge
(which you dont get in normal classical guitar design), then this would
be even more so. Is this plate altered much between designs I
wonder....?

Gordon
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: pjs@netcom.com (Philip J. Schneider)
Subject: Re: Question on Fret Wear
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 21:16:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <ADA.92Apr6115558@zip.larc.nasa.gov> ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola) writes:
>I just bought my first new guitar and I'm wondering how I can avoid
>prematurely wearing out my frets.  There are certain position at which
>I always bend notes (not to mention use vibrato) and I'm wondering if 
>there is anything I can do to keep those frets from pitting.
>
>On my old, used guitar, I had to file and recrown the frets once, and about
>a year and a half later, I had generated pits again.  Instead of having to 
>go through the process of taping, filing, reshaping (leaving very little
>metal left), and having no instrument while work was being done, I decided 
>to buy a new guitar.
>
>I'm wondering, is there anything I can do or is this something that I must
>live with and handle every year or so.
>
>Thanks for your help and opinions,
>
>Tony Arviola

There are two primary causes of fret degradation: first, there is mechanical
wear caused by the friction of the strings across the fret.  This wear is
more severe if you like to bend strings, use heavy strings, or have
a strong left hand :-)  Several manufacturers make a so-called
string lubricant, which is intended to reduce noise caused by moving 
your fingers on the strings, to reduce finger wear :-) caused by the
same movement, and to reduce the wear of the fret caused by the string.
Folks have rather "religious" views about this stuff, and I neither
advocate not warn against it myself.

The second cause of fret degradation is chemical.  Your hands produce
a wet, salty, and (often) slightly acidic substance known as 
"sweat", and this is often mixed with other contaminants, such as
dirt :-)  This rather noxious mixture is virtually guaranteed to
make your frets develop pits (it slowly (or quickly :-)) eats away
at the metal of the frets -- even hard nickle-containing alloys are
not immune.

You might, then, want to *consider* using a string lubricant/cleaner.
Ask around to see what your friends use (or don't use), or talk
to an honest music-store guitar expert.  You *definitely* should
keep a soft rag around when you practice/play, and wipe off your
hands, strings, and fingerboard periodically, as well as when
you're done.  It also helps a *lot* if you make a habit of washing
your hands before picking up your guitar to play/practice.  By the
way, clean strings also last longer :-)

-- Philip Schneider

p.s.  And no, I don't *always* remember to follow my own advice :-)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: needed:used acoustic
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton OR & Milpitas CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:50:07 GMT

In article <92107.140426APL105@psuvm.psu.edu> <APL105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>It's about time the goob put away his winter cap!!!!!

	How do I decode this?  Is this the spelling for the 
	"demented" chords someone discussed earlier?
-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
    Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and...
                      [Stop Continental Drift!]
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jeremyl@screech.owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart)
Subject: TAB: I Could Have Lied
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Keywords: tab, Red Hot Chili Peppers
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:53:02 GMT


A much more musically-inclined friend spit this out to me last night,
off the top of his head.  I think it's pretty close...(don't know
about timing, tho'...)

----------------------------------------------------------------0--- |
----------------------------------------------------------------0---:|
-------------------------------------------------------------------- |
---------4-----4-----4--7-5-4--0----------4-----4-----4--7-5-4------ |
----0252---252---252----0---2--------0252---252---252----0---2------:|
--3--------------------------------3-------------------------------- |

There you go... he played the chords to it, too, but hadn't gotten
those quite right, so I didn't write it down...  Enjoy...

Later.
-- 
Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
"As opaque warriors, we ride alone
 Guarding our secrets with souls of stone
 Waiting for someone who holds the key
 Do you hold it...do you hold the key to my heart..."
	- "Apache Teardrops," copyright 1991 by Bill Fillbach and Steve Estes
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Signiture guitars
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:30:31 GMT
Organization: Ripoff Industries

>        The company that made Signature guitars wnet out of buisness some
>time ago. No more are being produced.

	Any more info about Signature going down ?????
	A friend of mine runs a local guitar shop and
	has three Visionary guitars (Signature's top
	model) and one Excalibur bass.....maybe I should
	buy 'em, lock 'em up and lose the key..  :)

	Pasi

-- 
Pasi Korhonen                                              pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi
Saaristonkatu 3 A 6                                 ar660@cleveland.freenet.edu
90100 Oulu		                                 pkorhone@nyx.cs.du.edu
981-377 811                                                   bronx/OuluBox,IRC
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: never thought about it!
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C1DA73.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

In article <1992Apr6.160459.29759@nstn.ns.ca>
GEN2022@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (RYAN ORLANDO) writes:

>
>You know.....I never thought about it but alt.guitar si just like taking
>private guitar lessons.  Not only can you get music(tab, chords) but you
>can also get help with techniques, purchasing equipment, song writing etc.
>  I just want to thank evveryone for making alt.guitar for what it is now.
>
>A happy camper..
>Ryan.

I don't want to discourage you at all...
But alt.guitar can't criticise my fingering technique, can't make sure I
pick those last few notes with authority instead of hammering on, can't
listen closely to make sure I bend up to the note--not flat or sharp,
can't (always) advise me which notes to pick stroking up and which down.

The purpose of my reply is not to flame anyone, just to make sure folks
don't gain a predjudice against formal lessons. I've been playing for
about 16 years and recently decided to get some lessons.
I sure would have been playing better all those years if I had someone
who really *really* knew their stuff to guide me when I started out.

And now back to your regularly scheduled alt.guitar newsgroup :)

Also a happy camper
--Eric
From: fkam_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Kevin McFadden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Fretboard problems
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:21:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Hi, all.  My problem is this: I have a Washburn Festival series 6-string
acoustic and after I am done playing my fretboard fingers are covered
with black stuff looking like graphite.  It is probably just the finish
coming off but what can I do to stop this?

I lied. Two Problems.  The action on this guitar is very nice, but the low
E string buzzes a lot more than I would like (every fret except the F has 
some significant amount of buzzing).  Could this be an intonation problem?
I did not notice this when I was trying it out in the store.

Thanks,
	Kevin
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: distortion boxes?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:54:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <18715@ravel.udel.edu>, abby@ravel.udel.edu (Louis Abbruzzesi)
writes:
> This post reminded me of something I've wanted to ask for a long time. Has
> anyone had trouble with Mr. Sholz's contraptions.  I've owned two rockman 
> portable units and both of them have fallen apart(I have to bang on it
> to get it to work).  They work great for 4 tracking(and not bothering the
> bitch next door at the same time) but I don't think I'll ever invest in
> another Sholz product.  Has anyone else noticed shoddy construction?

One problem might be leaking batteries, causing certain parts inside
the box to have bad connections. I had to lead in a wire on the PCB
board once due to this problem. Otherwise I have not had problems with
those boxes (I have owned 2 of them so far).

Cheers,
Kent
From: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Sight reading
Keywords: self-taught?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:54:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: nsisrv.1992Apr7.185424.17086
Reply-To: pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick M. Ryan)
Distribution: na
Organization: Oceans & Ice Branch, NASA/GSFC/STX


This weekend, I picked up a book on music theory for $0.25 at
yard sale.  I have never learned how to sight read and have
always wanted to.  This book lays out the basics of musical
notation.  My question is: Could I reasonably expect to teach
myself to read music?  Granted, its much more a question of
how much I put into it and how much I practice than anything
else.  But have any of you ever taught yourself to read music
without the benefit of formal training?  I'm not so worried about
reading Mozart but more basic stuff.  What I would like is to
be able to look at a piece of music and hear it in my head
without necessarily having an instrument in front of me.  This,
I am sure, would take years of practice.  But it is a
reasonable goal.

Should I:
	a. try to teach myself?
	b. bag it and keep playing by ear?
	c. hook myself up with a classical guitar teacher?


thanks,
pat

--                                                                patrick ryan
            nasa / goddard space flight center / oceans and ice branch / stx
                     pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov / zmpmr@charney.gsfc.nasa.gov
Xref: sparky alt.guitar:2360 rec.music.makers:5642
From: ccmnate@othello.ucdavis.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
Subject: Music Theory
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:28:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12217
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ccmnate@othello.ucdavis.edu


  Music Theory is merely a cataloging of "musical observations."  Many
generations of music theorists studied the works of the great masters
and hacked out a set of specific musical qualities that applied to 
them all....in varying degrees of success.  The music came first.  Then
came the theory.

  Music theory is useful when studying music to determine why it sounds
like it does.  It is great for the musician who wants to understand
why certain chords sound "good", and others sound "bad."  Also, it helps 
provide a common language for people to discuss music.  When I call 
a stack of notes a G-maj chord, everyone knows what I mean.  When I say
I want to vamp on a 12-bar blues in Eb, I will be understood.

  To use Music theory as a set of RULES is wrong.  If you do, you are
moving the art of music from the artistic to the academic.  I have
heard MANY pieces that follow these "rules" that sound awful.  On the
other hand, I have listened to pieces that break the "rules" right and
left that sound wonderful.

  To use a somewhat obscure example, let's consider Beethoven.  He is
considered by many "academic" (for lack of a better term) musicians as
the master of the Piano Sonata.  In school, we are taught that he was
one of the pioneers of that form of music.  We learn the "rules" of the
piano sonata and starrt our own composition efforts...only to learn
sometime later that Beethoven, the pioneer himself, routinely broke 
those rules.  He turned them around, twisting them with impunity.  Yet
those "rules" mongers STILL insist that he is the greatest composer
to have lived.

  Basically, I agree with those who say that studying music theory is
important...if only for the fact that you will begin to understand
how other musicians have made their music.  But I feel strongly that
a musician should learn them...then forget them.  Don't use them as
rules.  Play what you want.  Have fun.  Entertain people with your 
OWN music.  And please, don't lord it over everyone else just because
you know every chord type known to man...that's just asinine.


Nathan Rollins
ccmnate@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Stones Lyrics
Keywords: Happy, Tumblin Dice
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:09:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.143748.26182@cbfsb.cb.att.com> goo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.m.macauda) writes:
>I cant just mumble and
>slur into a microphone for the rest of life unless
>I know what I'm mumbling and slurring. 
>
>
Why not? Mick does. <;><

-- 
Steve Schmidt              <><             whale@leland.stanford.edu

Why is it that the revolution always gets this far and then everyone
chickens out?
From: psr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ben the Crafter)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: alt.guitar.tab anyone?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:56:43 GMT
Organization: UB

bergman@glycine.cs.unc.edu (Larry Bergman) writes:

>In article <1992Mar27.080635.260141@cs.cmu.edu>  rane+@CS.CMU.EDU (Aaron Hughes) writes:
>> Since we have so many tab postings and requests, perhaps
>> we should consider creating alt.guitar.tabs - anyone?
>> 

>Great idea.

>Larry Bergman


I think so.  It makes sense.
-- 
Strider                     | SUNY @ Buffalo | psr@acsu.buffalo.edu
Lord Mayor, The Hill People | (716) 636 4862 | V127MHSK@ubvms.bitnet

Reality is an obstacle to hallucination.
From: veilm00@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VEILLEUX)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Prelude of Is ther anybody home (Pink Floyd/the wall) wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:46:25 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- DMI

See title :)
-- 
+--------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
|Max Halen                 |"Ain't nothing like MAPLE syrup!" - Max Halen      |
|Max@punisher.Sherb.CAM.ORG|"If you're guilty, you gotta die" - The Punisher   |
|veilm00@DMI.USherb.CA     |"I love my baby POUNDCAKE";       - Van Halen      |
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rblander@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Robyn Landers)
Subject: Re: Rockman problems; Zoom comparison? (was Re: distortion boxes?)
Summary: Rockman problems
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:54:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.212152@IASTATE.EDU> alib@IASTATE.EDU (Richard A Brown) writes:
>
>I've had the following problems/complaints with my Rockman:
>
>1) 1 (of the two stereo) headphone channel cutting out.  I've opened it
>up and the solder joints for the headphone jacks look ok.  
>   [lots deleted]
>a close visual inspection of the circuit boards didn't find any obvious 
>damage or manufacturing defects.
>
>5) The slider switches have gotten harder to operate.  Anymore, it's become

	I have a Rockman Sustainor, Chorus/Delay, and EQ.
I've had no problems with the Chorus/Delay.  The slider switches on the
Sustainor are very noisy, but I use a foot controller to switch channels
so that's not really a problem for me.

	The EQ has given me a bit of trouble.  The solder joints on the
input (or output, I forget which) jack failed after a couple months'
use.  I use high quality patch cords with heavy ends (Switchcraft)
and the EQ was sitting loose on top of a combo, so perhaps the stress
broke the solder joints.

	Note: there was no visible defect!  I mention this specifically
because of your comment above.  Only by poking and prodding and inserting
the patch cord and seeing how things flexed was I able to decide where
the problem was.  Resoldering fixed it up, and I've had no problems since.

	On another thread, the Sustainor in my opinion has more than
enough bottom end for a distortion device.

-----
Robyn
rblanders@watmath.waterloo.edu
	"I'm just doing my rock'n'roll duty." -- Dubois
From: jt3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Tampubolon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: 'Everthing About You'
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:38:39 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I think the chords are basically D, A, and G. Also, don't forget to tune
down half a step. 
I'm sure it's not as simple as that, so just listen to the cd to get
everything else right.
(I think there's also a C chord somewhere in there)
From: frankc@faatcrl (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Need advice on flight-cases for guitars and amps.
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:05:53 GMT

larsb@mimsy.umd.edu (Lars Baekgaard) writes:

>In a few months I will need to bring two guitars - one electric and
>one acustic dreadnought - and a Fender Super 60 amp to Europe be
>plane. I would like to get some advice about cases that will protect
>my instruments. Are there any hard-shell cases that will do the job or
>will I need to invest in real flight cases. Any advice appreciated.

If you want the advice of the Airline Traffic Association (ATA), you should get something that is ATA approved, such as those made by Anvil, Calzone, etc.


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From: jgllgher@unix1.tcd.ie (Macdara Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:13:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

ferg@brahms.udel.edu (Christopher Ferguson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.112522.23740@spider.co.uk> keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:
> >
> >How about the following chord?
> >
> >    E 3
> >    B 3
> >    G 0
> >    D 2
> >    A 2
> >    E 0
> >
> >I would've called it E/G, but from the above, I guess that's wrong.

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just another fingering for an
> Em ?

How  about Em7?

Dara.
From: larsb@mimsy.umd.edu (Lars Baekgaard)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Need advice on flight-cases for guitars and amps.
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:52:22 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In a few months I will need to bring two guitars - one electric and
one acustic dreadnought - and a Fender Super 60 amp to Europe be
plane. I would like to get some advice about cases that will protect
my instruments. Are there any hard-shell cases that will do the job or
will I need to invest in real flight cases. Any advice appreciated.

thanks 
-- 
Lars Baekgaard
larsb@cs.umd.edu
From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: where's alt.bass???!?!Wish I knew....
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:52:56 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <JEPP.92Apr10155558@black.iesd.auc.dk>, jepp@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Petersen) writes:
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> Has alt.bass been created? 
> We haven't recieved it at Aalborg University as yet, and it's been a
> while since people talked about it.
> If it has been created, what can I do to recieve it?
> 
> regards,
> --
> 
   It has been created, but I have no idea when or where it will get to.
Here at Dalhousie University, Halifax,Nova Scotia, I haven't seen any
sign of it yet. We get alt.guitar and evrything else, so I hope we
will be getting it soon. Have to have somewhere to talk about my
new Yamaha TRB 6 string.........


Slap That Bass - The Reason For Opposable Thumbs

Later;
jamie