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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:53:31 IST
From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Desqview, Papyrus, OS2
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Geoff -
THanks for the offer of help on Desqview. After reading the old postings,
I think I'm all set.

Paul -
I'd be interested in hearing what you think of OS2. What do you consider a
minimum hardware configuration to use it? Would a 386SX and 4-8 MB  do?

Re: Papyrus-

First, what Papyrus is not:
It's not a text retrieval program like the old NB textbase. It's a bibliography
manager, similar to ProCite, Reference Manager, Notebook II, etc. Although
you can attach extensive notes to an individual book or article entry, and sort
those in powerful ways using it's "notecard" facility, it isn't intended as
a database for free-floating text files in the way that ZyIndex works.
What  you want to use this for is managing reprints, lists of books, etc -
which may have associated notes or not. I think it is unsurpassed in the
flexibility of formatting, ability to extract text citations  and replace them
with numbers or full bibliographic citations, and searching power. It has many
nice conveniences and frequently surprises me by little ways that it
anticipates normal working procedure - it is a VERY forgiving program.
It doesn't have the slickest screen appearance around, but it is more than
adequate, and better than some. It also has several facilities for looking up
references while working in your word proc. and then dumping a citation into
your text. It works well under Desqview and supposedly under windows (I don't
use Windows), and has a TSR to accomplish this if you don't run a task
switcher.

It does  a lot more, but I haven't time to list it all. When I bought the last
version it cost $99 - don't know the current price.
Here's how to contact them:
Research Software Design
2718 SW Kelly St, Suite 181
Portland, OR 97201
503-796-1368
Fax: 503-241-4260
e-mail: RSD@applelink.apple.com

I believe they're also working on a MAC version, but I think that's probably at
least a year away. It supports WOrdperfect for DOS and Windows,WOrd for DOS
and Windows, Wordstar for DOS and Windows, and even Xywrite, Signature,
and NB! (NB is treated the same as XYWrite). Also has built in
formats for many commercial databases like BRS, COlleague, Medline, and
converts from some other database programs like ProCite. Great
documentation, too. What else can I say? Sheesh- I oughta get a kick back
for this.

If you have any specific questions, ask me , or better, ask them!

Michael Jasper
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 13:15:08 PDT
From:         Stephen Davison <davison@MIZAR.USC.EDU>
Subject:      suppliers of memory chips
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I want to increase the memory of my computer and need 1Meg 100ns DIP
chips (or SIP chips).  Does anyone know of a good, low cost, mail
order supplier in the U.S.?  Thanks.

And a comment on list comments....
I like the recipes... even thought I delete them.
And the wildfires are quite soap-operatic when one is in the right
mood!
And the NB advice is frequently interesting (even if irrelevant to my
immediate needs) and sometimes invaluable..
Thanks to all.
Stephen Davison
davison@usc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:52:19 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: NB Shipping now!
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>I am glad to say that NotaBene 4 is actually shipping now. Although I have not
>yet received my own copy, a friend here in Groningen (Netherlands) received
>his copy of NB4 plus Orbis yesterday morning!
>Luuk Houwen

How do you say "frabjous" in Dutch?  (Dibs were called only on
English Jabberwocky (an interesting concept . . . )

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:49:35 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Library Master (was Re: Life after NotaBene)
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On Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:50:00 EST <STRAUSS@UNCA> said:
>
>A brief question: NB 3.x was written, basically, by XYQuest. Nicht wahr?
>So that NB 4.0 is the first time NB has tackled a word processor on their
>own. Can this be part of the problem?
>
>Bob Strauss
>UNC-Asheville

The trouble with NBI seems to be that they have NOT yet received
access to XyQuest's editor. They must then go by adds-on rather than
by modifiying the editor (nb.exe). In previous versions, this was
done through a set of OVL files, all of which were written in
XPL (XyQuest's Programming Language), then _encrypted_ (the command
for encryption is STENC, with file on screen; but if you do that,
you will not be able to decrypt the text, so if you wish to play
with this feature, have an extra copy of your file!). In 3.1,
different adds-on were introduced, written in aseembler, and
compiled to create the NBBIB.COM and NBBIB.OVR file. In your
keyboard, you may have seen manu keys defined with the OV code;
this is simply an instruction to go to the above mentioned files
rather than to the EXE editor.

The little I have seen of NB4 seem to point at the same direction:
NB has been augmented with a number of OVR files, all of which
work as patches to the editor. Here is where NBI depart from
XyWrite, but the editor itself, NB.EXE, stays the same; and so
do the commands, etc. The only difference is that the section
with the error messages is replaced for NBI, so you will get
'phrase not found' or 'no phrase' rather than 'no saveget'
(saveget / save+get) is the XyW term for 'phrase'), etc. But
you will find all of XyWrite commands embedded in the section
of commands (which you can see and cut out with Buerg's LIST):
typ anf fo for 'print' and 'printd', and a lot of other
different commands ('ed' for 'new', etc.). By the way, all
these commands would work on the command line.

I am afraid that the structure of NB will remain quite
awkward precisely because of the lack of independence from XyQuest.
I guess that this is also part of the reason why the price
is still high: NBI must pay to XyQuest for each single copy
they sell, if I am not mistaken.

All of the above is not based on any inside information,
but on plain observation, which, naturally, may have generated
some wrong conclusions.

Itamar Even-Zohar
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:30:54 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: the morning line
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

>copies of disks per hour. NB Lingua will probably begin shipping `Friday'
>(first time), `this weekend' (second time I asked), `couldn't swear to that
>but we're working on it' (when pressed).  So sayeth the voice on the line at
>800-969-6922.

"This weekend . . . ., across the dateline . . .yeah, that's the ticket,
we're working on it . . . all 2000 of us, night and day . . . ., in fact,
it's already shipped, you must have lost yours . . . . , yeah . . . "

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:57:00 EDT
From:         Peter Parisi <PXP8@PSUVM>
Subject:      Alleged arrivals of NB 4.0
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

As I read the recent triumphant cries on this list, *no one* has clearly
received a copy of 4.0.  Do y'all remember when the reason for delay was
that the documentation wasn't ready?  (This was the excuse-of-the-month for
June, I believe.)Whenever it was, it leads me to the hardly excessive
expectation that 4.0 includes full documentation.  Everyone who has actually
laid hands on the package they received recently speaks of single pages and
brief tip lists.

The documentation issue sounds all the more germane when one reads that
apparently footnot formats are different enough between 3 and 4 that one
cannot simply import a file with citations from NB3 into the framework of NB
4.  This is discouraging enougn in itself.  (Was it naive of me to think NB4
would do more but very largely keep the commands, filenames, etc.  of NB3?)
But if there are going to be a series of substantial differences and the
need for careful massaging of previous work before it is used in 4, then I
damn well want the fullest possible documentation before I try to use the
thing.

If I'm fuming (not flaming!  not flaming!)for no reason, I welcome
consolation.  If I'm not, let's have the bad news out in the open.  This
list will become all the more useful if adapting to NB4 is relatively
complicated.

--Peter Parisi, Humanities Div., Penn State Harrisburg
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Papyrus addendum
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

One other thing about Papyrus and other programs -- programs like
ProCite and Notebook II are more general purpose. If you want to be
able to catalog your record collection or your art (assuming you have
something besides the cheap prints you got in college....), these programs
will do much better. ProCite has many different record types, and Notebook II
is completely configurable. On the other hand, Papyrus is designed specifically
 for managing scholarly collections of articles, chapters, books, theses,
reports, etc. Most of the fields have fixed names (author, editor, etc.) -
only three can be changed. But because it is specialized, it is also very
sophisticated and powerful. It doesn't try to be more than one thing.
Oh yeah - and the program has a sense of humor - really. You'll have to
try it to see. I think they have a demo version by the way - for free, or a
 small sum.

GOod luck - if I can be of further assistance, let me know.

Michael
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Ibid replacement
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From:	EMAIL::JASPER       "Michael J."  2-SEP-1992 12:33:54.37
To:	IN%"NOTABENE@taunivm.harvard.edu"
CC:	JASPER
Subj:	RE: Ibid replacement

SOmeone who had abandoned NB (which I am considering myself for the first
time in 7 years) asked about an Ibid substitute. I have never purchased
Ibid, but I've played around with pre-release versions and was not
impressed. I use Papyrus version 7.0, from Research Software Design in
Oregon. This is a phenomenal program designed specifically for academic use. It
 was originally oriented more for scientific users (of which I am one), but the
newest version (7.0) has added several features designed for people in
the humanities. It is fast, cheap, extremely powerful, and uses
"artificial intelligence" to produce an impressively intuitive program that
anticipates many of your needs. Unlike Ibid, it can replace in-text
citations with numbers, and produce a matching numbered bibliography in either
alphabetical or citation order. It works with most major word processors,
including MS Word for windows (I think....).

I have been one of the Beta testers for this new version which is probably
just now ready for release (unlike NB, this is not vaporware - the betas
have been quite stable for over a year - they're just working out a few very
minor things, and the documentation already exists!). I highly recommend
Papyrus (and I have no financial interest in this whatever!), even if
you are sticking with NB. I had hoped to use Ibid when it was first announced,
but to date NB has still ignored the most basic needs of users publishing
in science journals, most of which require in-text citations to be a number.

I'm still interested in hearing if anyone out there has experience with NB
under Desqview, by the way.....

Michael Jasper
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 08:55:19 -0400
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Quote Marks
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

If I am not mistaken, there are NB keys to use the opening and closing
quotation marks if your printer can print these.  What you see on screen
are a couple of the ascii box drawing corners, but what comes out of the
printer are the appropriate opening or closing quotation marks.  I have
never used NB with and HP laser, but these work fine with PostScript
Times Roman or Palatino.  The question would be whether the HP can
print them.  Since I am not at my PC at the moment I can't remember
what key strokes produce these marks, but they are in the manual.

Bob Kelly
Waterloo Lutheran Seminary/Wilfrid Laurier University
rkelly3 at mach1.wlu.ca
(sorry about the "at" rather than the usual.  We just got a new computer
here and it thinks a shifted 2 means "do something weird" . . . .)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 05:07:09 IST
From:         WATTS@BUTLERU
Subject:      Default Settings in NB4
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I am using a beta version of NB4, and while I wait
patiently for the final program and fuller documentation,
I was wondering if someone could tell me how I can change
the default settings in the program (type size, margins,
etc.); I cannot find the equivalent of the "default.set"
file in NB3.  Also, how do you set the program up so that
a printer table is automatically loaded when you go into
the program?

Thanks,
Bill Watts
watts@butleru
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:35:27 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: Letter to NBI
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>        Michael Dick
>        DICK@SIENA
>PS I need a good working NB4 and then I'll write NBI a hate letter in 10
>languages and 5 fonts.

I've thought the same thing: whovever writes the letter might
find that his shipment was "accidentally" lost! :-)

Robert Braham, more paranoid by the day,
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:12:42 EDT
From:         "Louis H. Silverstein" <SILVERS@YALEVM>
Subject:      Arrival
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I have been off work today so I haven't actually seen or laid hands on it yet
but word filtered through from the Yale Library Systems Office that my work
copy of Nota Bene 4.0 arrived today (with what documentation I have no idea).
How NBI is distributing this makes no sense--I paid for my personal (home)
copy well over a year before the library ordered it and to date my personal
copy has not arrived.  Obviously NBI is not distributing in order of
subscription!
Good luck to the rest of you.
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: quotation marks
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              928:49 pm

>
>
>                      2) Is there a way to prevent NB from moving the cursor
> left one character when one saves?  This is particularly annoying when the
> cursor comes after a period.  Or has this nuisance been eliminated in NB 4.0?
>

Can I offer a suggestion here - it's not original but given to me
because we found that NB 3 would delete the character the cursor was
on when using Ctrl or Alt or Shift + Enter.

Tyr changing nb.kbd's functions for F5; perhaps make it move the
cursor one character to the right, so that when it moves thereafter to
the left it's back where it started from.

This particular problem was not present in the copy of NB we use(d)
here. But what we did with the one we did have was to give the
commands a character to delete - adding a hard space at the cursor
position.

Autumn colours well out now.... and gosh, it's raining at last -
hasn't rained since yesterday. Frabjous is not a word I'd use to
describe the Devon weather, and despite someone's comment apple
recipes are becoming highly topical....
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Problem with counters
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Regarding Robert Kelly's problem with counters, the first question that
occurs to me is, "Can you print a 1 at all?"  If you can't, then the
translation table is bollixed.  Sorry this is so basic as to be almost
insulting!  That's not my intention!
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Subject:      NB to Mac; also, the Future of NB -- a question
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nbserver
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From:         Luuk Houwen <houwen@LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      NB Shipping now
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Dear Peter, Robert, Phil,

According to my friend there are no indications that his version of NB4 is a
beta-version. He received four disks, labelled (1) Notabene 1, 2 (2) NB
Options 1, NB Orbis (3) NB Options 1, NB Thesaurus (4) NB Printer 1, 2. He
also tells me that the documentation is flimsy (he used the term "rotten") and
incomplete in that the New Features Guide was not included. According to the
readme first file the full documentation is not ready yet, but will be shipped
a.s.a.p.
Luuk
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From:         Austin Kerr <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      HP IIIP; _not_ NB
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I just learned that HP is selling the HP IIIP through dealers to faculty
members of colleges and universities and to staff members as well for
U>S>$$  889.00  plus tax and shipping.  You must copy a form onto letterhead
and have a supervisor/chairperson/dean type sign the form.  It is a one time
offer.  HP includes 3 years carry in warranty in the program.


Because so many subscribers qualify, I thought it appropriate to post this news
on the list even though it is not NB
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: NBI business practices
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:43:31 GMT

I have not worried too much about telling people that NBI is a small company 
and therefore more vulnerable than a giant like Microsoft.  I suppose it 
matters if you have a need somehow always to be out on the edge of new 
technology.  My attitude toward the technology, however, is that is is 
wonderful in helping me get my work done as the technology is now.  Should NBI 
go out of business, then some years donw the road some other firm might fill 
the niche NB fills now, and we might want to convert.  For the time being, 
enjoy the help in getting the work of a text oriented scholar done.
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From:         "A. Davies" <davies@LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      IT's arrived - well, almost
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vi
NBI Europe sent me NB4.0 5 days ago. The package included Orbis and was four
disks in all. My impression so far.
Installing is a doddle - no problems. File handling has improved a bit.
Everything is a little bit slicker (less so for those who can touch-type), a
little bit faster (same reservation applies). Columns and Outlines are very
much improved and a pleasure to work with. Customization is a considerable
improvement too, as is printing.
Now for the less pleasing aspects. It's impossible to install Ibid 1.1 and
Ibid Plus in the versions I have, presumably because they are compatible with
NB3.1 and not NB4. This had me fuming. The documentation had nothing to say
about the matter. This did not surprise me because the documentation is
rotten. A magnifying glass should have been supplied with the "Quick Reference
Guide" which is smaller than the local bus timetables I always keep losing
(and not as well arranged either). The Guide is also badly printed, as are
the "Changes and New Features" leaflet, the "Quick Customization Guide" and the
awful paper template which is downright shoddy. There is no Tutorial, although
one is certainly needed.
The  he handling of pre-defined documents such as Block Letters is terrible.
To jump from label to label first type Control+Pad5 for a menu, then N for
Next label. Next time a jump forward is wanted Alt+Pad5 are the keys to use.
But if you want to jump back, then you have to repeat the whole procedure but
substitute P for Previous label. The Beta testers who let this one get through
need their heads examinged. In 3.0 Alt+[ or ] jumped backwards and forwards.
If anyone knows a quicker way of doing this, please let me know.
In the version of NB4 sent to me Orbis is incomplete. It cannot be user defined
in this "prerelease version". Nor can WP5.1 or Word files be imported or
exported. The German flyer which arrived a day later mentioned "das Prerelease
von N.B. Orbis 1.0". There is no mention of missing features in the NB Guides.
     To sum up. With NB 3.0 it was love at first sight. With NB 4.0 I have no
such romance. I prefer the elder sister, ,who lets me use Ibid and has installed
such romance. I prefer the elder sister, who lets me use Ibid and has let
me install my UK Spelling Checker disks. A final warning. When NB 4 finally
gets to you, only practice on COPIES of essential files. Stash the 3.1 versions
away somewhere safe. You'll regret it if you dont.
Good Luck. Anthony Davies
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From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Symbol set
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I thought I would work at home tonight using NB4 Lingua; I left documentation
at school. While "playing around" I tried a different symbol set (ASCII +
italics). It was nice but I then lost Lingua; so I merely entered SET again and
chose another symbol set (LINGUA). Simple? Nope. It looks like I now have to
reinstall LINGUA. I can't load any LINGUA sets; it forces  me to the reinstall
menu. I volunteer myself as the Bureau of Standards FOOL standard; I will be
kept in Washington in a glass case; when software companies want to claim
something is fool-proof, they have to break the glass and bring me out to the
keyboard for an hour!
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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