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From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 16:41:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

In reponse to the post about the 5th grader learning to estimate -
I think this is a very important skill which is lacking in many people
Too many people are so dependent on a calculator and do not have
a concept that their number is off and can
t check it except by redoing the calculations. 

If you want to now if you have enough cash to cover the groceries in
you basket, you need those skills. 

I have no training as a math teacher, but Iquestion the example that
was given. Think of 42,919 as 43,000 and 2,696 as a bit more than 2,500
(I would use 2,600, but I can see keeping the numbers to 5's or 0's
for the younger crowd) so the estimate is a bit over 45,500.

My brother learned a solitair game in 7th grade math that requires 
(quickly) recognizing sets of three cards that add up to 20. Recognizing
these combinations makes adding and estimating much easier. I've never
attempted to type card ame instructions, but I will try if there
are any requests (I will be in bed for the next couple of months,
but that is another post)

Carol
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Drugs in Labor (was Re: "Missing out")
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


|> |> In article <6SEP199211200760@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
|> |> >From _The Crying Baby_ by Sheila Kitzinger (New York: Viking, 1989)
|> |> >
|> |> >"It is often claimed that epidural anaesthesia does not affect the baby.
|> |> >In fact, when women ask, doctors often reassure them that bupivicaine --
|> |> >the drug most often used -- does not reach the baby since it is an
|> |> >injection only into the epidural space and does not cross the placenta.
|> |> >This is not true. Bupivicaine, especially in large doses and over a long
|> |> >period of time has been shown to reduce a baby's alertness and may
|> |> >modify the ability to orient to visual and auditory stimuli for as long
|> |> >as six weeks after birth. 

Did Kitzinger give any references?

I could find no reports on Medline of any studies concluding that 
epidural anesthesia during labor has ANY effect on the baby (besides 
that of possibly slowing down the course of labor--I'm talking about 
direct drug effects).

My conclusion from this is that Kitzinger is probably referring to old 
studies of out-moded practices, which would have no meaning for women 
making decisions today. If you happen to have her book on hand, Ben, 
maybe you could look for her references and post them so we can judge 
this rationally.

(Please remember, everybody, that Kitzinger really is a fine author 
otherwise, in my opinion. I'm not attacking everything she writes, 
just the idea that choosing an epidural for pain relief during labor 
is a reprehensible thing to do.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:19:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Sep10.201254.10112@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>We recently bought my 5YO daughter the "Puppy Surprise" doll from Hasbro.  
>The gimmick with this doll is that you buy a dog not knowing how many 
>puppies are inside the stomach (it claims to be 3, 4 or 5).  You're supposed 
>to find this out when you get home and open up the package (and the velcro 
>holding the dog's belly closed).  Anyway, my daughter wanted the pink one, 
>and when we got home we found that there were only 3 puppies.  She didn't 
>seem all that disappointed, but I felt as though I was ripped off.  We 
>figured that they put the small number of dogs in the popular colors, and 
>the 5 in something that no one else would buy.  

We haven't bought the toy, but I remember the TV commerical saying that
(only) 1 out of 5 dogs comes with 4 or 5 puppies--80% therefore have
just 3!  I only saw this commercial once but I remember it because it
struck me as lousy corporate policy.

Sue 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:12:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.201254.10112@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>The gimmick with this doll is that you buy a dog not knowing how many 
>puppies are inside the stomach (it claims to be 3, 4 or 5).
>and when we got home we found that there were only 3 puppies.  She didn't 
>seem all that disappointed, but I felt as though I was ripped off.

Let me get this straight.  You bought the toy knowing that it might
have only three puppies, it said so on the box, and when it did, you
felt you had been cheated?

>Anyway, my wife called Hasbro today to say that my daughter was very upset 

You just said she wasn't!  Who was REALLY the upset party here?

>and would they please send us the 2 other dogs.  They actually said that 
>they would have to charge us $2/puppy to send them to us!  We can't believe 
>it, this is something that in theory a random draw would have had us end up 
>with anyway (and this is not a cheap doll, it was $27, on sale).

Nope.  The effect for YOU would have been the same if you got the extra
puppies by chance rather than by whining, but the same is not true of
the manufacturer.  You're costing them more money (probably not much, I
admit, but they aren't asking for much either).

>Needless 
>to say we didn't buy any.  These folks could certainly learn something about 
>customer satisfaction from Little Tykes and other toy manufacturers who will 
>send you almost anything you ask for.  

Really?  If I call up Little Tykes and ask for something for FREE they'll
send it to me??  Remind me to sell my Little Tykes stock!

Yeah, it would have been NICE of Hasbro to send you a puppy gratis, and
smart companies try to make their customers happy, but they certainly
don't OWE you anything.  They didn't say the dog came with five
puppies.  You knew the risk, you gambled, you lost, and now you regret
it.  And you're trying to make Hasbro out to be the bad guy.  Sorry, no
sympathy.

Christ, EVERYBODY expects something for nothing!  EVERYBODY wants somebody
else to bear the responsibility for their own actions (like Mr. EuStress)!
No wonder this country's in the shape it's in.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: funny things they say (3 yrs)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:22:00 GMT

Hi all!! Last night my son and I were playing naming games with
body parts. He pointed to my forehead and said 'what's this?',
I replied, 'my forehead'. Then he pointed to my elbow and said,
'that's your elbow?', I said yes, then he pointed back to my
forehead and said 'and that's your two-head?'. I couldn't control
myself laughing, but told him, 'no, my forehead', then realizing
he was on a roll, he said 'how about three?'. The whole family
came by to see what was so funny!

                           Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids,junk
From: cryst@belay (Crystal Bell)
Subject: Child Abuse Laws
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:12:17 GMT


  Hi I was at the Flea-Market today and at one of the booths was this petition
I read it and signed immediately. Let Me give you some back-ground, in case
you haven't heard. 
        A couple of weeks a five year-old hearing impaired girl was found 
missing from the park near her home. The search went on all through the 
neighborhood that night until the police thought it was too dark. 
The people in the nieghborhood continued to look for her. Shortly after the
search was resumed the next morning. Shannon was found in a dumpster near her 
home. I think it was the next day that an arrest was made The man arrested 
lived across the street from Shannon. (That is the basic story, I don't know 
the details. 

I picked up an extra copy of it and I am going to try to get copies of it made
and filled. 

(This is edited to fit on my screen but it is other-wise exactly as it is 
written)

****************************************************************************
            ** In Memory of Shannon Dawn Morrisette-Bird**

We the undersigned residents of Canada draw the attention of the house 
            to the following:


We have formed this petition to stress our beliefs that the penalties in 
retrospect to Child Molesters and Child Murderers are far too lenient
in this country. We STRONGLY REQUEST that this petition be heard as the 
peoples' vote to reinstate Capital Punishment for Child Murderers and to
stiffen penalties for Child Molesters. If we cannot protect our children 
from the people who commit these heinous crimes, then who will? Therefore,
your petitioners call upon Parliament to enact legislation against these
types of offenders. 

******************************************************************************
This will be cross-posted to various newsgroups (four at this time)

If anyone in Canada is interested in a copy (To have filled out)just E-Mail me 
and we can discuss getting you a copy. 
(Or I'm sure that the person who started this petition would be happy to hear 
from you. )Not to mention shocked to hear from people all across Canada

If you really care about the children Of this country would you please 
E-Mail Me.  

ATTN. American Citizens: If you know  anyone in Canada who would work
for this very valuable and important cause get them to either 

(As well as for more information.)

Snail-Mail Me at: 

        Crystal Bell 
        2007 27 Ave. S.W.
        Calgary Alberta
        T2T 1H9


Telephone Me at:

        (403) 244-7759


Or (All You computer people out there) 

E-Mail Me at: 

        Cryst%belay@uunet.uu.net

                                        Thanks Very Much. 
                                        **Crystal Bell**




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:15:02 GMT

In article <STEVES.92Sep14085828@kuwait.gdfwc3> steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss) writes:
>[...]
>Maybe things have changed a lot since I was a kid.  Why not ask some
>*kids* what they would think of having a classmate with the name in
>question?

Good idea. But remember, the kids that are "teasing age" (grade school)
are not the ones who would tease him.  Since the show is currently on and
popular, if Geordie (sp?) was in class now, of course they would tease
him.  It's current. But by the time Keith's son gets
to grade school (3rd and 4th grade are the worst, I imagine, and when it
would start), ST:TNG may not be on (sorry ST:TNG'ers :-) and it
may not be as popular with the kids as it is today, even in reruns.

(BTW - Keith --- Good idea to stay away from the initials "GAG"!! :-) )
---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: karinc@ssd.intel.com (Karin Coffee)
Subject: Re: Idle amusements...
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:29:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.165311.18944@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
>
>In article <2531@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
!> 
!>   My kids have recently spent 3 evenings in a row having me "paint" their
!> toenails with washable markers.  They select the color, and I do one nail
!> on each foot with it, switch kids, and repeat the process, over, and over
!> and over.  It is definately what I'd call a low-difficulty sure fire
!> entertainment, and it washes off (some take longer than others to come
!> off; highlighters take the longest).  Pretty funny too, as they pick the
!> most outrageous colors!  By the way, they are a 2.5 year old girl and
!> a 5.5 year old boy who happily hasn't yet learned that necklaces and 
!> nail color are just for girls...
!>  
!> 					Susanne Gilliam
!My daughter likes me to draw pictures on her with the washable markers
!and then she goes into the bathroom and looks at them in the mirror.
!Then it is off to the tub.
!

When my son had chicken pox, he liked to play "connect-the-pox" with the
washable markers.  It seemed to make that difficult time a little easier.

He's now 7, and he still wants nail polish from time-to-time.  I do his nails
for him occasionally on weekends, but I don't send him to school with it on
since I'm afraid the other kids would tease him and I don't want him to feel
wrong for enjoying it.  A few weeks ago he wore his Mardi Gras necklaces to
church instead of a tie!   :-)   I'm delighted he doesn't think necklaces
and nail color are just for girls.


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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm only 6-8 weeks along, but starting to look into daycare.  I 
plan to return to work full-time.

One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.

I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?

Thanks!

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:06:48 GMT
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com>  van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
> 
> On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
> not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a "lap child", and I 
> *had* to hold her.  (This was the first week of September.)

Remember, this past summer is not being fondly remembered by all of the 
various airline personnel because of the hell they went thru thanks to the 
half price ticket wars and all the first-time flyers they ended up with (not 
to mention mostly packed planes).  I would not at all be surprised to find 
that there were no seats available for a child flying for free where you 
might expect to find one under other circumstances.  

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:16:25 EDT

In article <180n82INN5ae@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(K. C. Kelly) writes:

   > You wouldn't trust an adult child's feelings about her own
   > mother's parenting ability?  What better judge could there be?

I don't know...at 21 I figure you're still close enough to having been "just
let out of the convent" (to paraphrase a friend) that anything your parents
didn't do your way is still slightly suspect and you're still busy doing all
the things they wouldn't let you do (and finding out that they might have
had good reason).  I told the kids in my Sunday School class (7th-19th
grade) that while they may absolutely hate some of the things their parents
make them do now, by the time they're 25 they probably will see things from
a much different perspective and agree with them.

Of course, it could also be that *Soon-Yi* needs more attention than the
average kid or any of the other kids in the Farrow household.  As I think
I've said before, I know of a two kid family where the younger daughter
feels that her mother isn't spending enough time with her because of all the
time she (the mother) has to spend dealing with the older brother's medical
problem.  One can only hope that by the time the daughter is 25 (or has
kids, whichever comes first, and I hope it's 25), she'll understand that she
was not being slighted, but that the brother had more pressing needs.

But as I've said before, large families used to be quite common and no one
ever thought that just because you had 11 kids that you must be neglecting
some of them.  The interaction between the kids and the pseudo parenting was
assumed.  There was, of course, also a bit of interaction from extended
family within the same household...like grandparents.  But as much as *I'm*
a small family person, who's to say that intense attention from two parents
and one sibling is better than a broad base of attention from two parents
and eight or nine siblings?  Those additional people sort of give you a
broader base of people to bounce things off of and to run to when you need a
sympathetic ear.

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Summary: family bed
Keywords: Family bed, co-family sleeping
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:24:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.

WE, being myself and my mate and our 2 year old all sleep
together which is lovely, however my admonition is don/t
do it unless you have a BIG bed...cheers

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: james@calico.ucsd.edu (James Murray)
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:50:49 GMT


Just my $.02 :

Diane (my wife) had morning sickness ( and afternoon sickness, and night sickness,..:)

Two things helped with her,  the first was to get away from the smell of food.  The second,
was advice from a friend;  take papaya extract.  These are pills that you can find in any
health store and sometimes drug stores.

The papaya seemed to work.  I don't know how or why it would work, but it did.

Jim

ps -- May I announce the birth of a future Nobel prize winner/ supermodel:

Lauren Nicole Murray was born on August 25, 1992 after 52 hours of labor for
Mom (and Dad!! :-)

-- 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 19:48:45 GMT


I was thinking about Ben's post today as I was driving in waiting for my new
migraine medication to take hold.  And I thought about the idea that medications
affect newborns.  But the question I think we should ask is, "But is that
necessarily a negative thing".  Because, my migraine medication definitely
affects me.  It takes the pain away and allows me to think again.

Is a desire to sleep all day the first day of a newborn's life that unusual?
Is it even negative?  I know that Mitchell was a lot more spritely his first
day of life than Erin.  But he was also 5 weeks older at birth.  However,
is this such a negative impact that, say, the child will be dysfunctional or
in some way permanently injured?  Or is this just a child who is a little 
sleepier than the average newborn?

Having grown up believing that any and all medication was evil and having
seen and personally experienced the impact of this way of thinking, I am
constantly amazed at those who think nothing of popping aspirin, antibiotics,
antihistamines, etc. at the first sign of a problem getting outraged at
medicine having an "affect" on a fetus or newborn.  Mostly because I find it
ludicrous to assume that "affect" = "harm".  

So while it is important to know what medications will HARM your fetus or
interfere with your newborn's ability to survive, going into drug hysteria
is unnecessary.  In the case of the epidural, there is very, very little chance
that any of the drug will even get to the fetus.  And if some small amount
does, there is no evidence that it in any way harms the child.  


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:29:39 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

While my rings didn't get too tight, they really started bugging
me in the first two months.  (Everything bugged me then, but the
rings seemed to be the worst.)  I took them off then.  I have not
been wearing anything else, and since my ankles and fingers have
started swelling a bit on hot days, I think I'll leave them off
until the baby is born.  I am not bothered by not wearing them.
Linda
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Commitment, etc
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:01:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep15.123326.24631@cbnews.cb.att.com> has@cbnews.cb.att.com (heather.a.strasburg) writes:
>
>Just yesterday, in the Wall Street Journal review of books,
>they discussed a book (can't remember the exact title) that
>has the premise that we've become a nation of "victims" -
>meaning that if we're all "victims", none of us is responsible
>for what happens (or even what we do).  There were a few
>examples which, if they weren't true and probably not all that
>uncommon, would be funny, such as:
>
[Examples deleted]
Did they have the one about the man who was fired because he was caught
selling drugs out of his sister's car on government property?  He not
only got his job back and back pay, but was also given the amount he
would have made in overtime if he had kept his job!!  He got off because
it was his *sister*'s car, not his!

Michele
Xref: sparky misc.kids:23111 rec.arts.startrek.current:12927
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:22:14 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier) writes:
>My husband and I went back and forth on a name for our unborn child.
>He was very enthused.  I kept trying to like the name.  I asked friends.
>Their lack of enthusiasm was visible in spite of polite responses.  I decided
>that I couldn't settle on a name that I didn't truly feel deeply happy with.

I wonder if deep down I knew that Carrie would be a girl.  We had her
name chosen two years before she was born.  (It's what Brad would have
been had he been a girl.)  All through my pregnancy, I waffled on a
boy's name.  We went into labor with three possibilities, none of which
I was really crazy about.  Luckily we didn't need to pick one!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 3 months