HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: Street prices for DesqView/X
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.230958.2519@walter.cray.com> alheid@sedist.cray.com (Greg Alheid) writes:
...
>  The best package I have seen so far is DESQview/X with the "DESQview/X to 
>other X systems Network Manager" at Egghead Software for $199. This is the 
>same price that the regular DESQview/X is going for.

Actually, I was in an Egghead the other day, buying OS/2 (boo! hiss!).
I paid $92 - how good of a price was that?

But the thing is this, I looked at Egghead's prices for QOS products and
they looked (obscenely) high.  $90 for QEMM.  $80 for DV.  $170 for DV/386.

They also had DV/X for, as you mention, $199, which seemed high to me,
since I got it for $100.  But if that includes the "Network Manager"
(for which I would have to pay another $100), then it is obviously a
very good deal.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: jdboer@sol.UVic.CA (Johan deBoer)
Subject: Graphics programs under DV
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 07:41:53 GMT

Hi,
I have been using DesqView for some time now, and am wondering about
the use of graphics programs under DV. Everytime when I have say
Freelance or some other program running in graphics mode, the screen
goes out of wack whenever I call up the DV menu.
Am I using improper settings somewhere, or is this unavoidable?

Any pointers appreciated

Johan de Boer
jdboer@sol.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: What video card for Desqview X?
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:24:17 EST
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Could someone who is using a nice fast processor based card recommend one for
me to look at? Lots of places are trying to sell me a Diamond Stealth VRAM,
but that's not an 8514A based card which the FAQ recommends. What is the best
card for Desqview X/DOS use? I am also looking at a 17" monitor..

-- 

Adam Eberbach    Computer Science student, RMIT.   t9114145@phillip.edu.au
               "We don' need no stinkin' signatures!"
From: ryoung@utdallas.edu (Ryu Young)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Xt Intrinsics?; X11R4 vs. X11R5?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:45:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas

I have two questions:

1. Is Xt Intrinsics available with qddvx101?

2. I think DESQview/X supports X11R4; yet X11R5 is recent
   X Windows. Then, is the difference very big?
   If I want to convert C codes written for X11R5,
   do I have to do a lot of work?

Young

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: Am I really out of memory?
Cc:  fordke@ingr.com
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:33:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.183308.6144@infonode.ingr.com> fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford) writes:
>I did notice that DV uses a big chunk.
>Is there anyway I can get more memory with this configuration?
>
>In the MFT reports, DV is using 216K, but I'm not sure why.  I am
>using DV.EXE instead of DV.COM, but both yield the same results.  Is
>this normal or am I overlooking something?  It also happens when I
>don't load DOS high and let DV go up there.
>
>Send email to fordke@ingr.com

The main problem here is that you seem to be running DV.EXE and not
DV.COM or XDV.COM.  This is keeping DESQview from using any memory above
640k.  If you run the COM program, DV will use the  99k of free hogh memory
that you still have available.

Also if you give MSCDEX the /e parameter, it will use some expanded
memory and give you a bit larger window size as well.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>MFT - First Meg - Programs
>
>Memory Area   Size   Description
>0515 - 05A9   2.3K  COMMAND
>05AA - 05AE   0.1K  DV Data
>05AF - 05BF   0.3K  COMMAND Environment
>05C0 - 05C3   0.1K  COMMAND Data
>05C4 - 05D3   0.3K  DV Environment
>05D4 - 3BEB   216K  DV
>3BEC - 3BFB   0.3K  COMMAND Data
>3BFC - 3C90   2.3K  COMMAND
>3C91 - 3CA1   0.3K  COMMAND Environment
>3CA2 - 9FFD   397K  [Available]
>Conventional memory ends at 639K
>B000 - B4CF    19K  SMARTDRV
>B4D0 - B732   9.5K  MOUSE
>B733 - B7FE   3.2K  [Available]
>D000 - D35E    13K  QEMM386
>D35F - D37A   0.4K  SETVER
>D37B - D8AD    20K  MTMCDSA
>D8AE - DB4D    10K  X00
>DB4E - DB52   0.1K  [Available]
>DB53 - DF40    15K  BUFFERS
>DF41 - E715    31K  MSCDEX
>E716 - FFFC    99K  [Available]
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  This is the tipoff that you are running 
		DV.EXE.  DV.COM/XDV.COM would otherwise use this memory


>    HMA        64K  DOS=HIGH
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

Gary Rich		<support@qdeck.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: gt@rundart.demon.co.uk (Giles Todd)
Subject: Re: DV/X and DJGPP Xlibraries--locations 
Distribution: world
Organization: Rundart Limited
Reply-To: gt@rundart.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:05:16 +0000


In article <721195266snz@rundart.demon.co.uk> gt@rundart.demon.co.uk wibbles:

>Please feel free to use ftp.demon.co.uk as a UK distribution site. 
 etc (boring stuff omitted).

I meant this to be a mail message but obviously had finger trouble. 
Sorry.

Giles.
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From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: loading disk caches high
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:39:18 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Nov8.145349.20551@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <721194827snz@rundart.demon.co.uk> gt@rundart.demon.co.uk writes:
>>
>>>IMHO, HyperDisk (the only cache I have ever tried) does not work well
>>>loaded high.  When I did so, I had unexplained crashes until I moved it
>>>out of high memory.  It takes up 24K of conv ram, but that's not too big
>>>of a deal...
>>
>>You don't give a version number.  Not fair for such a blanket comment. 
>>The problem may have been fixed since the version you used but you have
>>have just suggested to all the readers of this newsgroup that the
>>product will not work when loaded high without giving any qualification.
>
>It is version 4.31.
>
>I did include an IMHO.  Maybe I should also have included a
>"Your mileage will vary"...

And possibly a "on my machine with a 1984 BIOS, 12 compressed hardcards,
a bus-mastering mouse port, and Bullwinkle ears glued to the side" :-}}

Seriously, there are lots and lots of variables in the setup every PC.  Pinning
a problem down to some thing like "disk caches have problems when loaded high"
is a very hard thing to do. I don't doubt for a moment that your version of
hyperdisk on your machine with your configuration has problems when it's
loaded into a particular high RAM region.  I just think it's hard to say
anything more exactly than that.
>
>All I was trying to do was counter the suggestion by the Qdeck guy that
>the original poster was crazy. 

I certainly never meant to imply that he was crazy.  Note that the original
poster didn't even say that he was having problems loading caches high, he
 was just asking.

 Clearly, there are problems associated
>with loading disk caches high. 

In the thousands of tech support problems that I have solved at Quarterdeck
I have seen no pattern that shows anything special about loading high a 
disk cache.  Smartdrv with double buffering is a quasi exception, but it's
not acting as a disk cache in this case.  Also some caches have an ability
to load themselves high (nothing unique to disk caches) that will interfere 
with OPTIMIZEs calculations, but most such programs have the equiv. of a 
/STOPTHAT switch.

>
>To be fair, it should be added that there are, potentially, problems
>with loading any piece of software high, since you are clearly running
>it in an environment different from that intended by the original
>manufacturer, and are thus, as they say, "on your own".
>

Well, I guess that's true to some extent.  But as long as Quarterdeck is 
around, you don't need to feel like you are "on your own"

Gary Rich  (my friends call me "the Qdeck guy")  <suport@qdeck.com>
From: quairoli@cs.widener.edu (Patrick Quairoli)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: VGA drivers for DV/X (alpha four).
Summary: vga craps out when running alpha four
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:30:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lisa.cs.widener.edu

i've been having a blast with DV/X for the past two months, but
recently i purchased a (very) cheap VGA card (oak vga), and a used
packard bell monitor.  i was trying run alpha four (database), in a
dos window and the monitor colors went strange and the monitor locked.
the computer didn't lock because i was actually able to go through the
key sequence to get out of DV/X and do a MODE 80.

i went through the utils disk that came with the card and i have DV/X
set right,  i noticed that alpha four is the only one that causes the
problem and it is only in DV/X.

(as a side note, i tried running some of the drivers from the vga card
and half of them botched alpha in dos mode and had no positive or ill
effects for dv/x).

any and all suggestions are welcome, please help!

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
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systems manager		     widener university		     computer science
"Time is a Spiral - Space is a Curve" - Rush
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Desqview for $100 before Dec. 31, 1992, is this true?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:24:22 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <Bx9AuG.C6s@cs.uiuc.edu> chiang@cs.uiuc.edu (Sam. H.K. Chiang) writes:
>The most recent issue of PC Magazine has an article comparing Windows 3.1 and
>OS2 2.0.  Also, it reviews the alternative OS, desqview/X, and said its price
>is $100 if you order before Dec. 31, 1992.  
>
>Is this true?
>

Only if you're a registered user of Quarterdeck products before you order.
THis is a special offer until the end of the year.  You must place your order
with Quarterdeck direct.

For further information contact info@qdeck.com.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: vla@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Louis Verhagen)
Subject: Re: Street prices for DesqView/X
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:54:35 GMT

alheid@sedist.cray.com (Greg Alheid) writes:

>  Yes, Egghead is high on some stuff, reasonable on others. But there is 
>one more thing to be commented on, Egghead has a discount program, their 
>CUE card, which gives the buyer an extra 5% discount. So DESQview/X with 
>the (Novell's & FTP's) TCP/IP Network Manager, can be bought for less than 
>$190 (add local taxes). Compare this to the $200 plus shipping charges 
>from Quarterdeck for those of us who have a Quarterdeck product, Egghead 
>is a "slightly" better deal in this case.  For those who don't have a 
>Quarterdeck product, this is a EXCELLENT deal! 

I would like to thank greg again for his efforts getting me price
and order info from Egghead to me in Australia.
But Egghead "claims" that there DV/X packages are not for
export?????? Can anybody explain this to me?

Greetings
Louis Verhagen	Vla@waves.ce.adfa.oz.au
From: spit@neuro.duke.edu (Michael Burdick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DV/X and DJGPP Xlibraries--locations
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:30:21 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Nov06.204154.209@qdeck.com> garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich) writes:
>Wayne, and eveyone else:  We at qdeck would love it if you would send
>all your public domain DVX ports or better yet, original DVX apps to us.
>Send them to me (garyrich@qdeck.com) or to tech support (support@qdeck.com)
>and we will put them on our bbs, post them to comp.binaries.pcarchives, show
>them to people at tradeshows; and otherwise spread your fame far and wide.
>Speaking of fame, Tom Pierpoint's port of Xview 2.21 is still the qoolest
>thing that's been sent in from outside qdeck, IMHO.  Let his name resound
>thoughout the net!

Is the Qdeck BBS accessible from the internet or do we have access it
via modem?  It would be a very nice gesture on the part of Qdeck if they
were to make these ports FTP accessible!

Mike Burdick
mburdick@molecular.unmc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Subject: Re: loading disk caches high
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:31:59 GMT

From article <1dc862INNbev@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, by michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman):
> Is there a disk cache program that qemm can safely load in high memory?
> 
Super PC Kwik. Version I have needs to have advanced support disbled but
this is supposedly now fixed.

N
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Subject: Re: loading disk caches high 
Distribution: world
Organization: Rundart Limited
Reply-To: gt@rundart.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:53:47 +0000


In article <1992Nov7.215551.27982@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>IMHO, HyperDisk (the only cache I have ever tried) does not work well
>loaded high.  When I did so, I had unexplained crashes until I moved it
>out of high memory.  It takes up 24K of conv ram, but that's not too big
>of a deal...

You don't give a version number.  Not fair for such a blanket comment. 
The problem may have been fixed since the version you used but you have
have just suggested to all the readers of this newsgroup that the
product will not work when loaded high without giving any qualification.

FWIW, I have been using Hyperdisk 4.30 in upper RAM with Qemm 6.02 since
the day 6.02 came out.  I have had no problems.  I do not use "advanced
disc writes" as I have been too lazy to upgrade to 4.31+.  The present
setup suits me fine.

Giles.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: gjones@csi.compuserve.com (George Jones)
Subject: problems with "`" and "~"
Reply-To: gjones@csi.CompuServe.com
Organization: CompuServe, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:29:09 GMT

I'm running DesqView/X on a Gateway with an OmniKey/Ultra keyboard.
In xterm windows, I can't input the "`" or "~" keys.  I hit them,
but nothing happens.  I'm pretty sure the keycodes are being sent,
because in emacs (like now) "`" registers if I hit it twice and
"~" has no problems.  Clues ?  Solutions ?

---George Jones

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From: alonso@felix.filenet.com (Oscar S. Alonso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X & SpeedStar 24X
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: alonso@fritz.filenet.com (Oscar S. Alonso)
Distribution: world
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

Is anyone running DV/X with a Diamond SpeedStar 24X in any video mode
other than 640x480?

Oscar S. Alonso
alonso@felix.filenet.com
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X and DJGPP Xlibraries--locations
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:41:54 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Nov4.175851.1739@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_youngwd@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>in /pub/msdos/djgpp at oak.oakland.edu. (there is a version 1.01 of the
>X-libraries, but they are not available as of yet by anonymous ftp.) 
>
>
>Now, everyone get out and port all those existing X apps to DOS.
>I've already gotten Asteroids and Solitaire to run without _any_
>modification to the source.
>
>Wayne D. Young
>z_youngwd@ccsvax.sfasu.edu


I did and archie search last night ant turned up the following sites
for the 1.01 libraries.  We're still hoping to get them available again
from barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu (especially since that's what our ads
say :-[, but hasn't happened yet.

Wayne, and eveyone else:  We at qdeck would love it if you would send
all your public domain DVX ports or better yet, original DVX apps to us.
Send them to me (garyrich@qdeck.com) or to tech support (support@qdeck.com)
and we will put them on our bbs, post them to comp.binaries.pcarchives, show
them to people at tradeshows; and otherwise spread your fame far and wide.
Speaking of fame, Tom Pierpoint's port of Xview 2.21 is still the qoolest
thing that's been sent in from outside qdeck, IMHO.  Let his name resound
thoughout the net!




Host faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de   (131.188.1.43)
Last updated 05:52  3 Nov 1992

    Location: /mounts/cyber/iwiftp/public/pc/msdos/language/g++
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    975455  Oct  8 22:29   qddvx101.zip

Host hpb.mcc.ac.uk   (130.88.200.7)
Last updated 22:22  2 Nov 1992

    Location: /pub/djgpp
      FILE      r--r--r--    975455  Oct  8 22:29   qddvx101.zip

Host aix370.rrz.uni-koeln.de   (134.95.80.1)
Last updated 01:40 24 Oct 1992

    Location: /.disk1/msdos/gnuprogs/djgpp
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    975455  Oct  7 02:01   qddvx101.zip

Host barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu   (128.153.28.12)
Last updated 01:18 25 Oct 1992

    Location: /pub/msdos/djgpp
      FILE      ---------    975455  Oct  8 16:29   qddvx101.zip
                ^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^
Note that it's still here, but nobody has rights to it....



Host utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp   (133.11.11.11)
Last updated 05:11 22 Oct 1992

    Location: /ftpsync/djgcc/dj
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    975455  Oct 10 10:41   qddvx101.zip

Host rs3.hrz.th-darmstadt.de   (130.83.55.75)
Last updated 03:17 16 Oct 1992

    Location: /pub/machines/ms-dos/386/gcc
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    975455  Oct  8 22:29   qddvx101.zip


Why are all these sites located outside the US?  I DON'T KNOW.

Gary Rich		<support@qdeck.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: support@qdeck.com (Technical Support)
Subject: Re: Xt Intrinsics?; X11R4 vs. X11R5?
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:07:52 GMT

In article <BxH64E.n09@utdallas.edu> ryoung@utdallas.edu (Ryu Young) writes:
>1. Is Xt Intrinsics available with qddvx101?

Yes. It comes with Xaw, Xmu, Xt, Xext, Xlib, and the DVX system library.

>2. I think DESQview/X supports X11R4; yet X11R5 is recent
>   X Windows. Then, is the difference very big?
>   If I want to convert C codes written for X11R5,
>   do I have to do a lot of work?

The DVX server is X11R4 compatable. When we first were implementing the
server, that was the current standard. We do plan to support X11R5 in
the future. 

As long as the code to be converted is not written using R5-specific
features, compiling it to run under R4 should be relatively trivial. If
it does make use of the R5 special features (scaled fonts come to mind),
you will either have to deal with this on your own (which won't be fun),
or take advantage of the DVX extensions (in this case, to use ATM).
Some features won't have an alternative under DVX like the fonts do,
and in these cases you'll have to just deal with it by programming.
Fortunately, I havn't seen a lot of X11R5 specific code out there...


>
>Young
>
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Young U. Ryu, Ph.D.                                                      |
>| Assistant Professor of Information Systems                               |
>| Decision Sciences Department                                             |
>| The University of Texas at Dallas                                        |
>|                                                                          |
>| JO 5.1, Box 830688                           (Voice) 214-690-2146        |
>| 2601 N. Floyd Road                             (FAX) 214-690-2799        |
>| Richardson, Texas 75083-0688            (Electronic) ryoung@utdallas.edu |
>| USA                                                                      |
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>


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From: charliep@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Charles Patton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X in B&W
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:56:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvra.53420001
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

Can anyone give advice about convincing DV/X to work
remotely in B&W (1-bit color) mode. When working
remotely, especially with MS-windows, the overhead
of 8-bit color can really bog down the network. Watching
windows refresh over a SLIP connection rivals grass
growing for pokiness. Moreover, some X-servers I use
don't provide for the palettes required for windows,
and so the connection bombs out before it really gets
going.

All advice appreciated.
...Charlie Patton
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From: u8031106@cc.nctu.edu.tw (u8031106)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: w
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:49:55 GMT
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
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