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From: mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Organization: The Inner Clique
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:08:45 GMT


Like Paul Callahan, I read fewer books than many of you who have posted.
Also, like him, I read very few "non-serious" books, genre fiction, etc.

Still -- I answered "yes" to a mojority of the "biblioholic" questions.

A good friend of mine likes to tell a story about when she was a kid.  
All of her sisters were out of the house, and her father wanted to get 
rid of her -- so that he could (how shall I put this) be alone with
her mother for a while.  To accomplish this, he gave her some money,
and told her to go buy something with it.  She returned in five minutes
with a new book.

This is the same woman who used to sleep with The Norton Anthology, when
I was married to her.

Mark
From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: RE: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:16:06 GMT
Organization: Newt World Order

In article <23DEC92.01535476@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> Excuse me, Michael, but ever since you posted your puerile and ignorant flame
> of Gertrude Stein, I have had a low opinion of your intelligence, and an even
> lower opinion of your sense of decorum or propriety.  Nothing in this post of

<Further venomous spew deleted.> Heather et al. Please pay attention to
the newsgroups and subject lines and keep your flaming off of
news.groups. If you want to pollute your own newsgroup with venom go
ahead, but keep it out of news groups that don't care about your private
wars.

-- 
whoah,
+++++++++++++++++++++++23
Loren Miller                           internet: MILLERL@wharton.upenn.edu
Mediocrity is a hand rail.                         -- Baron de Montesquieu
From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Esquimaux Nell
Date: 27 Dec 92 02:58:15 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca


Reference was made to "The Erotic Muse" as a source of information
on the topic. I cannot find anything bearing on Esquimaux Nell - 
however this uncensored collection of bawdy songs complied and edited
by Ed Cray ISBN 0-515-02801-0 deserves to be better known, containing
as it does, unexpurgated, great bawdy songs and ribald inventions.

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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: need: books on Henri Matisse (was Re: Great gift books for me!)
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:57:26 GMT

In a charming wish-list Keith Morgan mentions:
>Henri Matisse: A Retrospective by John Elderfield

I'm gonna be makin' a trek up to NYC for the Matisse exhibit in
early January, and I'd very much like to bone up before I go.
So, I could use some help in my efforts to _chasser_les_fauves_,
as it were :-)--that is, some recommendations for good books on
the subject.  Given the source of the suggestion, the Elderfield
sounds like a good start (could you say a bit more about it, Keith?).
I'm especially interested in books with more words than pictures--
those that emphasize art criticism and art history with a special
focus on Matisse and his influences/followers.  I'd prefer things
that are easy to find and also in paperback, but rare or expensive
recommendations are also OK, since I've planned my trip so as to
spend the whole pre-Matisse day in the New York Public Library,
browsing through whatever I hadn't already been able to find/read.
(Which brings up another question: is there another library in NY with
a better collection in the area of art history and art crit?  The
NYPL is such a cool building, I wouldn't miss it for the world,
but it never hurts to have alternatives...)  Thanks!

					--wishing you all "The Joy
					  of Life" and "Harmony in Red"
					  during this holiday season,

							Fiona
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Date: 26 Dec 92 06:18:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <18844@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>Inuit, so the Brits suffered and died from inappropriate clothing and diet
>while the bemused Inuit watched and wondered.
This reminded me of a funny thing I saw once - was back in the mid 1960s.
On a midsummer day I was in Flagstaff, Arizona at a Taco Bell beside a
highway.  There was an Indian family (native American, not from India)
sitting at another table.  Walking along the highway came a white youth,
trying to thumb a ride.  He was wearing those high deerskin boots modeled
after an Indian style of yore, and it was obvious his feet were hurting
as he felt the rocks through those soft soles; besides it was an awfully
hot day to be wearing knee-high leather boots.  The Indian family and I
watched him trudge past, and then I looked at them and they looked at me
and we laughed...
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:16:18 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.183207.25805@crd.ge.com> meltsner@crd.ge.com
>writes:
>> [test deleted] 
>> [Janice's note: I scored 17. Can anyone beat me?]

>I scored 19.  (The reprimand was in school though, not work.)

>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com

I scored twenty. Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod....

P.
-- 
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clive  P a u l   M o l o n e y    "I'm pretty witty and you're itty bitty    pe
james  Trinity College, Dublin     And isn't it a pity the city can't see?   vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 1 Jan 1993 11:46:33 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Distribution: world
Reply-To: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: fridge.ai.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Dec31.223105.7326@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
|> meltsner@crd.ge.com:
|> >22. When a stranger walks into your house or apartment, are his or her
|> >first words usually a comment about your books?
|> 
|> This is frequently a source of embarrassment to me -- on their behalf.
|> Most of my books are upstairs, so strangers who walk in just see three
|> relatively small bookcases.  So "Boy, you sure have a lot of books!"
|> from them means "I don't often see a house with over a hundred books".
|> How does one answer such a comment?

Wow, I wish I had an upstairs, rather than having to pile the books up
in the hopefully-soon-to-have-a-bookshelf corner.  I guess the right
answer is a non-committal, "Yeah, I suppose so."  No reason to get
your knickers in a knot over it, it any case.

A related phenomenon is the reverse of the above---does anyone else,
when entering someone elses house, automatically form a somewhat
negative opinion of them if there *aren't* reasonable quantities of
books in evidence?  I suppose that my unconscious reasons that either
(a) they have no books, in which case they're not much worth knowing,
or (b) they feel they have to hide their books; for some reason
they're embarrassed by them or something.  Not that I'm proud of
reacting this way (and I *certainly* don't say anything!) but it's one
of those autonomic processes, like breathing, that one has little
control over.  Such is life.  Any thoughts?

Enjoy!
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Date: 1 Jan 1993 20:15:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

Mike Morris writes in explanation of his homeschooling decision:

> I *do* think social agendists are at the root of the problem..[..]
> Nor do I believe that all the public-education campaigns (safe sex,
> harassment, drugs, drinking and driving, the environment, whatever
> have you) take up that much of the schoolday. What I do believe
> rather is that it is a commonly held belief that these manipulation
> campaigns, like Coca-Cola advertising campaigns, *work*. Since I don't
> believe that they *really* do work...

Mike, am I to take it then that the inclusion of education
on safe sex, the environment, and drinking/driving is
one reason you pulled your kids out of public schools?

You may regard these topics as "manipulation", but you're
probably in the minority on that, and it would 
be my belief that in most jurisdictions they would be 
required as part of a homeschooling approach.

As for education on "drugs", there I agree with you --
from what I've seen the material taught is drug-war propaganda
rather than factual in nature.

As for "harassment", I'm unfamiliar with this topic being
injected into the public schools.  

I'm happy to see your emphasis on calculus and physical 
sciences, but it would seem to me environmental science
is just as important for a well-rounded education.  Consider
holding your nose and teaching your kids a little about
the environment.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Non-rabelaisian farts 
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.012730.15462@panix.com> mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:

>I am perplexed by the voices who seem to think that ANY mode of humor
>on the subject must (by definition?) be Rabelaisian.

I don't know anyone who holds this view. But many of the examples of
so-called non-Rabelaisian fart humor seemed Rabelaisin in that celebratory
excessive manner that we Rabelais fans enjoy so much.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:13:22 GMT
Organization: Moi?

In article <1992Dec31.183207.25805@crd.ge.com> meltsner@crd.ge.com writes:
>
[The "Are You a Biblioholic?" test]
>
>[Janice's note: I scored 17. Can anyone beat me?]
>
19, here.  Would have been more if I watched TV sports.

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | When you go out into the world,
			      | watch out for traffic, hold hands,
                              | and stick together.
CSUS depends on my every word.|             --Robert Fulghum    
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sbrock@teal.csn.org (Steve Brock)
Subject: Re: Good Westerns
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:35:29 GMT

Try "Slaughter" by Elmer Kelton, just out.  -- Steve
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan- SPOILER
Date: 24 Dec 92 06:05:22 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <105531@bu.edu> mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:

>Are there any Anne Rice fans out there anymore?
>--Mac
>mcelroy@acs.bu.edu
>

Beware of SPOILER for Tale of the Body Thief below--------------------








Are you up to a question? Anne Rice explains that there are essentially 2 
souls that are normally combined, the primitive body soul and the advanced 
part we identify with. The body soul will accept any "mind", but prefers the 
one it has been associated with since birth; Lestat uses this knowledge to 
fight James. But David stays in the borrowed body, which to me seems to 
imply that he's going to face eternity with the nagging feeling that he's 
"out of place". Thoughts?

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:42:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.181422.19391@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>You shouldn't offend people unintentionally.

I think that offending people unintentionally is part of the human
condition.

>It suggests an incomplete
>mastery of the medium.

If this is true, then I have yet to encounter anyone with a *complete*
mastery.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: wetering@sea.com (B. Van de Wetering)
Subject: Re: Quotes, quotes, quotes
Organization: Systems Engineering Associates
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:52:57 GMT

In article <BzoAv3.4un@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
                                  ...  They're made of copper and brass and
>hold roughly the volume of a spirit glass; the handle sticks straight up,
>has a hook at the top, and is a few inches long.  They tend to come in sets
>holding different volumes and labelled "Whisky", "Brandy", "Port" and so
>on.  What I don't know is how they were used - they're too wide to enter
>the neck of a decanter, and it doesn't seem likely that the gentry ever
>kept their hooch on the sideboard in an open bucket (somebody got a
>collection of Hogarth or Rowlandson to check?).  ...

I suspect they were designed to fit through the bunghole of a keg or barrel,
the gentry preferring to buy in quantity.  Just a thought.

-Brian
-- 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:00:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec22.190049.26499
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec22.175831.28627@nevada.edu> wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) writes:
>I'd have to agree with Mark. The reason r.a.b is the way it is is
>because the people who are interested in it are interested in questions
>beyond what was the last book you read.

An electronic salon is the best description I can think of for those few
newsgroups which manage to form a kind of community.  r.a.b is certainly
one of these.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  1 Jan 93 18:25:38 GMT

mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

>This C.K. Chesterton fan wonders whether "K.C. Constantine" is a nom de
>plume. Is it?

   Yes, as I believe another poster has already pointed out, this is a
pseudonym.  Some information on the author (though not his real name)
can be found in the afterword by Robin Winks to Constantine's The
Rocksburg Railroad Murders and The Blank Page:  Two Mario Balzic
Mysteries (Boston, David Godine, 1982.)

   David Godine, incidentally, is an exemplary publisher, whose books
are always beautifully produced and resonably priced.  I believe he was
the first to publish Constantine.  He also has reissued a number of
neglected classics:  I have his reissue of Richard Olney's fascinating
French Menu Cookbook, and a very handsomely illustrated version of
Whitman's Specimen Days -- this latter being one of the great classics
of American literature which has been somewhat neglected probably only
because it's overshadowed by Whitman's poetry.

   I haven't noticed any offerings from Godine in books stores in recent
years.  Does anyone know if he's still around? 
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From: Dan Tripp <tripp@taligent.com>
Subject: Encyclopedia Help
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76544163301C1D5@kip-19.taligent.com>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Dec 92 07:53:58 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:54:30 GMT

For some time I've been considering buying an Encyclopedia Britannica,
but have always been hesitant for fear of having to deal with a pushy
salesman calling on me at home.  I'd like to find out the options and
prices without the pressure. 

I'd appreciate it if someone could briefly explain what the options and
prices are.  Are discounts available?  Is it possible to buy last year's
model at a reduced price?  How much should I expect to pay for a used
copy a couple of years old?  Any suggestions, other than newspaper want
ads, on where to look for a used copy?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Dan Tripp
tripp@taligent.com
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Homeschooling (was  Re: Education and the Environment by Gregory A. Smith)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:33:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu


Heather writes:

> I don't see that wanting to homeschool your children means you are in 
> favor of junking the entire public school system.  

Your statement is exaggerated.  However, the trend towards 
homeschooling is part of the trend away from supporting public 
education.  

> It appears that many people feel threatened by homeschooling, rather 
> than private and parochial schooling, because the power is taken away 
> from large institutions and given to the individual.

This is hyperbole.

I do not feel "threatened" by homeschooling, or by voucher systems,
or by any other like-minded trend, and I have no problem with
"power" being given to the "individual".

What I do have a problem with is the large fraction of Americans
who are willing to throw in the towel and say the public
education will never work, either for their own kids or
for kids in general.  I think they are way, way off base on
this; and as this trend continues, education in this country will 
continue to deteriorate.  

And what really bugs me is that the people who are killing
public education by pulling their kids out of public
schools have the audacity to blame the problem on 
"liberal educators with their social agendas" and
other imagined demons.

Steve
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: **** Wanted:  WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED (INT'L) 2ND EDITION ****
Summary: **** Wanted:  WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED (INT'L) 2ND EDITION ****
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:58:12 GMT

Keywords: dictionary

I'm looking for a good-condition copy of (the genuine) Webster's Second.

Los Angeles area, hopefully....



-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com

        ...Let your mind wander...
From: lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett)
Subject: Re: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.172929.13284@u.washington.edu> hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless) writes:
>
[snip snip]
>In response to Jim's question to Tom, "Does that bother you as well?"
>Well, it bothers *me*, considering how many of those artifacts were
>obtained.  I recommend a couple of books for different views of this
>question.  I re-read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku Aku_ a couple of years ago and
>was fascinated at Heyerdahl's masterful techniques at charming/coercing
>artifacts out of the Easter Islanders.  When the islanders board ship at
>first landing, Heyerdahl immediately decides the leader of the 'long-ears'
>(read the book if you wish to find out more about this fascinating group)
>is a clown and a buffoon.  Heyerdahl ascends to greater heights of
>condescending sneers toward this man and leaves the island in a state of
>rage because he, out of all the islanders, does not turn over his family
>heirlooms to the better care of the Europeans.  The book is worth reading,
>in part for this first person account of a mass looting (yes, the
>artifacts were at risk because of the islanders' lack of knowledge about
>proper care for them.  I wonder if they would have been willing to learn? 
>I wonder if funds could have been raised to house and display them
>properly, should the islanders have wanted to change age-old practices
>that had saved their artifacts from the Spanish and other invaders?);
>in part because it gives, I understand from those who know more about
>these things than I, a truthful account of the history of an amazing
>people.
>
>Another book I heartily recommend is Tony Hillerman's mystery, _Talking
>God_, in which (among many other things) a Navajo wannabe, a blond,
>blue-eyed Smithsonian staffer with a drop of Navajo blood (he wears
>*braids* for heavens sake.  Read the book to find out why that is silly),
>who expresses his views about museum artifacts in a dramatic way.  Tony
>Hillerman's books are recommended to our graduate students who do their
>nursing clinical practicum at the Navajo Reservation, because they give
>such an accurate picture of Navajo people and their lives.  The Navajos
>have given Hillerman some kind of award, because of his books.  I wonder
>if it is safe to assume that they don't feel that *he* is yet *another*
>looter (see _Thief of Time_.  **fascinating**). 

Another good book about the "looting" of artifacts by archeologists and the
like from "civilised" countries is _Foreign Devils on the Silk Road_ by Peter
Hopkirk (The Search for the Lost Cities and Treasures of Chinese Central
Asia) (Univ of Mass. Press, 1980).  A fascinating read.  My husband refers
to this as the book containing the REAL Indiana Jones.
					Laura Mollett


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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: **** Wanted:  WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED (INT'L) 2ND EDITION ****
Summary: **** Wanted:  WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED (INT'L) 2ND EDITION ****
Keywords: dictionary
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:49:28 GMT

I'm looking for a good-condition copy of (the genuine) Webster's Second.

Los Angeles area, hopefully...

Any ideas as to sources/sellers? 


-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com

        ...Let your mind wander... 
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:38:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.102538.6308@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.025208.13047@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.220640.628@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec29.220637.16608@lunatix.uucp> lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>It was a pleasant diversion, but I see no reason not to wait for the
>>>paperback.
>>>
>>The paperback came out in 1988.
>
>If the paperback of TALE OF THE BODY THIEF came out in 1988, one can
>only wonder why they delayed the hardback until 1992. 

Excuse me--I pruned the original too much. I think the question was about
_Belinda_. In any case, that was the book I had in mind. 

Nancy Lebovitz