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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: COM Port Help Please
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 01:19:43 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson) writes:

> Do you have an active LPT2 that you should shut off on IRQ5?
> 
No active LPT2, but IRQ5 is going to be used on COM4.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: paul@tct.com (Paul Levin)
Subject: Re: PRN in VDM has a BUG !!!
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:00:20 GMT

According to sip1@midway.uchicago.edu:
>
>The same thing happens in DOS, I think, when you try to use COPY to
>any non-disk device.  Try:
>
>COPY /B file PRN:
>
>Does that do anything?

I am afraid you are incorrect.  The command 
	copy file prn: 
works fine in DOS.  The /B does not fix the problem in OS/2.
Note also that DOS is not case sensitive, in case you were implying
that PRN needs to be in caps.

>
>-- 
>Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
>Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
>of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]


-- 
From:  Paul Levin   paul@count.tct.com   813-532-2239 (work, 9-5 EST)
    --> Jesus loves you, and died for you; thank Him today. <--
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith)
Subject: Re: Trident drivers DO work with ATI!!!!!!!!! I have drivers!!!!!
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:51:26 GMT

In article <Dec.28.00.19.29.1992.1164@remus.rutgers.edu>  
glenw@remus.rutgers.edu (Glenn T. Wasserman) writes:
> 
> The trident 32-bit drivers DO work ATI!!! You just need to make sure
> that you generate a new, proper SVGADATA.PMI file. But it has seamless
> windows and everything (notebooks look alright, haven't tried
> printscreen yet).
> 
> Anyone with ATI boards, this is EXACTLY what we have been waiting for!
> 
> -Glenn
> -- 
> *	Glenn Wasserman - Rutgers University - Computer Science  	*
>  
*************************************************************************
> *	glenw@remus.rutgers.edu	*	glenw@gandalf.rutgers.edu	*
>  
*************************************************************************

I can't seem to get the 800x600x256 drivers to work correctly with my ATI  
VGA Wonder card (with 512k).  The 640x480 drivers are fine, except for  
problems with colors--they are all slightly off.  Is there a known bug  
with the 800x600x256 drivers?  When I install them, the screen is all  
mangled after rebooting. 

Any ideas?

Doug Smith
UNIX Desktop Group
Novell DSG
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: Wing Commander I & II w/ OS/2 2.0
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:05:11 GMT

> Chin , Jeffery writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <92366.034239CXKPE@ASUACAD.BITNET>
> Posted: Thursday, 31 Dec 1992 03
>
> Org.  : Arizona State University
>
> I'm running OS/2 2.0 on a 486/33 and I'm trying to get WC I & II to run
> acceptably.  They are running very slowly and the sound is out of synch or
> corrupted.  I'm only using the PC speaker for the sound.
>
> The readme only suggests that on WC II to turn-off the sound, but this has
> almost no affect on the performance.
>
> Any other suggestions or is this not possible?


Make sure HW_TIMER is on and VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION is off.  And then turn
off the sound (PC squeeker slows down Wing even under raw DOS)

I'd still STRONGLY recommend a sound card... it turns Wing Commander from a
great game into something approaching a religious experience.. :)


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: keiths@cae.wisc.edu (Keith Scidmore)
Subject: Shadow ram hardware support & OS/2 2.0
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:59:05 CST

Will OS/2 2.0 performance be improved in a computer where the hardware
copies the ROM bios into shadow ram.   In the case of DOS you can buy
memory managers that will do this for you if your hardware doesn't.  

BTW, Is there any concensus in this group as to what makers of PCs are best
adapted to OS2 2.0?  (I think this last question should be addressed by
mail.  This newsgroup is hard enough to keep up with as it is. I'll summarize
the results if they are interesting enough .)

Thanks,

Keiths@cae.wisc.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ucgadkw@ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CMD.EXE special character interpretation (^&, etc.)
Keywords: Mattes CMD.EXE command line
Date: 2 Jan 93 12:44:00 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Some time back, I was having trouble constructing OS/2 
command-line strings which had "&" in them.  I searched
the online refs, manuals, and found no help.  Finally,
Eberhard Mattes kindly sent me the following message, 
which might be of more general interest.

[Timothy -  since this stuff isn't in any of the distributed
documentation, perhaps it could go in the FAQ?]

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 17:33:03 +0200
To: ucgadkw@uk.ac.ucl
Subject: emTeX under OS/2 - help?

[...]

Information about ^ and & and ( and ) and all the other special
characters in the command line is neither in the manual nor in the
online documentation.

I try to give a summary:

 &              unconditional sequential execution of programs
 &&             conditional sequential execution (`AND')
 |              pipe
 ||             conditional sequential execution (`OR')
 >file          redirection of handle 1 to file
 >>file         redirection of handle 1 to file (appending)
 >&m            redirection of handle 1 to handle m
 n>file         redirection of handle n to file
 n>>file        redirection of handle n to file (appending)
 n>&m           redirection of handle n to handle m
 <file          redirection of file to handle 0
 n<file         redirection of file to handle n
 ( command )    grouping
 ^              escape special character

(n=0...9, m=0...9)

Examples:

(make 2>&1) > make.out

  Run make and write both stdout and stderr to make.out.

prog1 && (prog2 || prog3)

  If prog1 succeeds, run prog2 (and prog3, if prog2 fails)

echo ^^^>

  Display ^>

[...]
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Dominik
From: jonathan@jspc.wimsey.bc.ca (Jonathan Story)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CMS Alternatives? (Was Re: Colorado's OS/2 solution ....)
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.075954.14315@netcom.com>
                        samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore) writes:
> I didn't see a price in that announcement. Do I gather correctly that it is
> about $400 by the time you get through with all the special software needed ?
> It seems to me you are getting close to the cost of a SCSI DC250 drive, 
> which will blow the doors off a floppy controller driven drive, besides
> being a more general purpose unit (special software is not required for SCSI
> tapes). A hint for CMS would be: don't charge os/2 users a premium over
> what windows folks pay.

    This is a very good point.  Trident, for example, have spent probably
just as much money on developing OS/2 drivers for their cards . . . and
then they let us have it for nothing.  They might have, like other video
card makers, kissed off users who converted to OS/2, but they didn't. This
puts them in the short list for new video cards -- a smart move.

    CMS, to their credit, haven't refused to provide an OS/2 driver for
their products.  They have, however, effectively increased the cost to
OS/2 users by about a third, without actually increasing the value
(i.e. backing up data).  Will this matter?  It depends, I suppose, on the
alternatives.

    So, let's put the question:  given the effective price of the CMS tape
drives (i.e. tape drive + $100), what are the competitively-priced
alternatives for OS/2 users?

    Please include a short description with your answer, as well as the
approx. retail price (and street price if known).  Please email.  I will
post a summary of any information that reaches me by January 5.  (This
information will also be included in the next newsletter for the Vancouver
PC Users Society -- the submission deadline for which is, coincidentally,
the same day.)  

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)
Subject: How to use START /DOS command from Dos box?
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:41:42 GMT


I need to spawn a dos session from an active dos session.  The docs tell me
I can do this, but I'm getting a SYS3088 error saying the command isn't
recognized.

I'm using:

START /DOS

  It works fine from an OS/2 session.  I'm using the 'old' beta
did this break from the GA code?  Could someone please confirm this works?

thanks

--Don Lindbergh
dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
From: h198@hosp.med.umich.edu  (Gene Mangum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ATI VGA Wonder and OS/2 2.1 beta
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993  09:46 EDT
Organization: Univ of Michigan Hospitals
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.hosp.med.umich.edu
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0

I tried the ATI 640x480x256 drivers that came with OS/2 2.1 beta.   They
almost work, but I get "sparkles", or colored dots on the screen.   The
number of dots increases steadily as I use the system.   I had a similar
problem with the 256c drivers that ATI released a while back.   Otherwise,
the speed was okay except that DOS/OS2 Window scrolling was pretty slow.
 
Anyone have these working with a "generic" ATI VGA Wonder 512K?   If so,
what message does yours give at boot time?   I get:
 
     VGA 1024, BIOS V5-1.00
 
Maybe I could upgrade the video BIOS?
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Why do my icons scroll up out of the window?
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <lestrade.725666549@Ra.MsState.Edu> lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade) writes:
>First off, a word from a long-term user of pc's but a novice at OS/2:
>I LOVE IT!.....
>Now, when I double click on the os/2 system icon, the icon view pops up
>but it is empty.  Empty until I realized that the icons are there but
>hiding up ``above'' the window screen.  Clicking on the arrow on the
>right side of the icon view scrolls them back down again into place.
>this hppens in a lot of my window icon views (e.g. also in command
>prompts.) What am I doing wrong?

Just click with mouse button two within the open folder, and select
Arrange.  That should "stick."

>Second question, with all of the current mania for windoze, will os/2
>get any attention?  Can we as users hurry this process?

Well, I'm watching the IBM OS/2 Fiesta Bowl at the moment.  :-)

Seriously, please see the FAQ List for some ideas in this area.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: NEC Pinwriter P20 driver?
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:45:32 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Dec17.151401.14506@unix.brighton.ac.uk> je@unix.brighton.ac.uk (John English) writes:
>I've got a NEC P20, and I've set it up as an LQ850. I normally use it for
>listings so I use quick'n'dirty draft mode by default.  That nice Epson
>driver doesn't like that so it resets it to Courier at the start of every
>file. I then hit select & reset the font (Courier is quite slow), but
>then the next file starts & I have to do it again. Ho hum. Where are
>all the real NEC drivers? (I've asked before but got no answers -- is
>it my imagination or do only easy questions get replies? :-)

Kludge workaround:

Create a file with the necessary control code(s) to throw the printer
into the mode you wish, then prepend it to any DOS/Windows-generated
printer output.

If I think of something that is more satisfactory, I'll follow up.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:40225 comp.os.os2.apps:9602
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: excel 4.0 under win-OS/2
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:35:36 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

Hi folks!!

A few weeks back, there was a thread about the mention thing in my
subject line. As someone saved it and could please E-Mail it to me, I
will have to install Excel on my system and would like to me able to
work with it right away an not loose a few days trying to re-invent the
settings... Thanks in advance!

System Information;
386DX 25mhz
8 Megs RAM
OS/2 GA+SP
"plain (stale) vanilla" Oak VGA card

Again my thanks!

.sig under construction... Might be long because lack of idea?
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| Serge Ayotte                              rider@geloser.login.qc.ca |
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: How do I tell ZOO to do subdirs too?
Summary: How do I tell ZOO to do subdirs too?
Keywords: How do I tell ZOO to do subdirs too?
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:35:11 GMT

I want to use ZOO for backup.  I chose ZOO due to it's multi-platform
implementation, with lots of flexibility.  Another factor, is that it
comes with source code (always the hacker at heart)!

I want to backup all the files in a directory AND all the
subdirectories below it.

I can't find a switch to do this in the docs.  Did I miss it, or is this
a deficiency in ZOO's design?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sangercd@nextnet.csus.edu (Carl D. Sanger)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:29:06 GMT

In article <1qk9VB3w165w@tcscs.UUCP> zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com writes:
>
>I HOPE the 2.1 BETA will be available in 3.5 inch images because I don't have
>a CD ROM yet.  All these new things are great but I can't get it because I
>dont have a CD ROM?  
>
>IBM is going disillusion more people with OS/2 if they only make this on CD
>ROM.

Since this is beta software, I don't have a problem with IBM using whatever 
means of distribution they find best.  I'm just please that they're making
it available to whoever wants it.  I would only expect different from an
update like the service pack which includes the "proven" beta code.

-- 
Carl Sanger				|| sangercd@csus.edu
California State University, Sacramento
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is 2.0 even worth installing?
From: oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov
Date: 27 Dec 92 10:57:09 -0500
Reply-To: smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
Distribution: world
Organization: Metrop. Educ. Council, Columbus, OH

In article <1992Dec26.135914.27476@ludd.luth.se>, bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:
> In <1992Dec26.073613.1726@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
> 
>>wondering if it's even worth installing since 2.1 is so close. I only have
>>5 Meg of memory. Also I'm still having trouble installing. The old "can't
> 
> With only 5M I'd say no, don't bother installing it. If you had had 8, it'd be
> different. As for 2.1 being so close, do we know when it'll be released?
> Hopefully pretty soon.
> 
>    _
I have to disagree with this.  My system is a 386dx-40 with only 4M.  I
installed without reading this group or the FAQ first, and I installed the
HPFS.  IBM's docs neglected to tell me that I needed 6M to run HPFS, so I had
to re-install.

What I have noticed is that it seems to take a long time to start up after a
reboot, but I don't know if this is inherent in OS2, or if it just my system's
lack of RAM.  I typically run about 3 tasks and I haven't been too bothered by
amount of time to switch between tasks.

On those days it does annoy me, all I have to do is think of the alternatives:
switching back to MS-DOG and Windoze, or a buggy Uni* clone.  Frankly, I am
quite content and pleased with OS2.  The only problem I have had is 1 comm
package that wouldn't run under WinOS2 (when I tried to run it full screen, it
would totally lock up the system).

In the month I have been reading this group, I have not seen anyone say that
they tried running OS2 with less than 8M and that it wouldn't run.  I have seen
several people *say* that it wouldn't run, but I haven't seen anyone say it
didn't run *for them* !!  I'm saying that it does run, and runs well for ME!

bob -- smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Disk Interleave??  What the general rule of thumb??
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:20:39 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana




I posted about this several days ago and got very little reponse.

Some time ago there was a discussion of the proper interleave for disk
under OS/2.  I only got part of the discussion and seem to remember that
the appropriate interleave was 1 greater than the bios recommended as the
optimum.  Any better facts on the subject??

The disk to be used specifically is the WD 2200 214 meg IDE drive with
at least 512k HPFS Cache(unless someone wants to let me in on the 'best' size
cache for 16 meg systme memory??)

Thanks again,

Todd
From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: sio and vsio.sys problems
Date: 25 Dec 92 15:16:55 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

> DEVICE=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,3e8,5) (4,2e8,2)
> DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS (3,3e8,5) (4,2e8,2)
>  
> in your config.sys? OS/2 doesn't recognise COM3 or 4 unless you add these
> parameters. This is in the FAQ.
> 
> I believe these parms will also work with the (very good!) SIO.SYS and
> VSIO.SYS third-party comms drivers - currently at version 0.15, I hear.
>  
They will indeed work with the sio.sys drivers, but ckermit 5a(188) will not.
I am now using ckoker16.exe and it works fine but ckoker32.exe bombs out with
a "message file not found" error. I'm using v 0.11 i believe.

Alan Benezra
From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 Suggestions??
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:46:09 GMT
Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

You guys who think the regular version of OS/2 is badly documented are
more than welcome to figure out Extended Services.

Listen to this one...

"if you have a COM02.SYS device driver in CONFIG.SYS, make sure it is
placed after the UPSDRV.OS2 statement in CONFIG.SYS. Otherwise, the
UPS service will not start successfully."

-->No comment as to whether or not you need this COM02.SYS thing.

"Note: In order to use the Uninterruptible Power Supply Service, you
must install the COM02.SYS device driver. You can install this driver
during base operating system installation [BZZZT...WRONG] or you can
copy the driver from another server [Presumably a server that was
anointed by the OS/2 god with a file that is on NONE of the disks]."

I'd rather have no documentation than the crap that these guys
churned out. Each manual has little gems like this in it.

Incidentally, the second quotation was IN THE SAME MANUAL but about
40 pages after the first one. Go figure.

Maybe IBM should hire some people from HP to write the docs.

Now if I could only find this imaginary COM02.SYS file....
From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Colorado and Sytos - Round #2
Date: 3 Jan 1993 11:19:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan3.071704.22514@digi.lonestar.org> kgallagh@digi.lonestar.org (Kevin Gallagher) writes:
>In article <19930102161053.h198@hosp.med.umich.edu> h198@hosp.med.umich.edu (Gene Mangum) writes:
>>Well, I went back to the README file for Sytos, and guess what?   I just
>>wasn't patient enough :-)   It takes 40 minutes to format a tape (DC2000)!
>>I guess they do one byte per pass of the tape.   Anyway, after the tape
>>formatted, I backed up a partition which has 12.5M of data on it.   It
>>took about 6 min, and the compare afterward *said* the backup was good.
>>I haven't actually tried a restore yet, though.
>
>There are lots of tracks on the tape.  Each pass is formatting a different
>track.  Alternate tracks should be being formatted in the reverse direction.
>I doubt that the tape is rewinding.  If the software is only formatting each
>track in the forward direction, it is poorly written.
>
>The CMS DOS software on Jumbo 120 takes 55 minutes to format a DC2120 tape,
>provided it has no bad spots on the tape.  If the software has to make some
>blocks as bad, it will take even longer.
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Kevin Gallagher        kgallagh@digi.lonestar.org OR ...!uunet!digi!kgallagh
>DSC Communications Corporation   Addr: MS 152, 1000 Coit Rd, Plano, TX 75075
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It takes me 40 minutes to format (and verify) a DC2000 tape on my tape
drive, and that's ussing any different tape program (Norton's, or Mountain's
tape program).
From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Logitech mice?
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:39:27 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Keywords: Logitech, mouse

In <1992Dec28.173114.6322@eng.umd.edu> marko@eng.umd.edu (Marko Teittinen) writes:
>can't believe this.  Does OS/2 come with Logitech drivers?  Is there 
>anyone using a Logitech mouse (serial) in OS/2?  Does it work?  Any
>problems?  What is the model of your mouse?  How old (does it matter)?
>Any useful information is appreciated.  Or should I buy a Microsoft
>mouse?

I have a logitech trackman, serial. It works all right with os/2. You don't
need any os/2 mouse drivers, I believe. The information about my mouse:

TanckMan Mouse, Logitech M/N T-CA1. It is about two years old.
-- 
Jiansheng Zhao
Dept. Chem. Eng, Univ. of B. C., Canada. V6T 1Z4
zhao@unixg.ubc.ca