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From: LINSCOT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Stephen M. Linscott)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: 19 Aug 1992 14:41:57 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <64253@cup.portal.com>
John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
 
>
>Dear Moon Watchers: Another source of material about the moon is NASA
>photographs. When they are looked at one can see large carters that
>are being made even as the pictures are taken as the orbiter goes around
>and takes each picture. What is normally seen is a large rock and dirt
>moving device some one and one half miles long. These devices look like
>a large stove pipe that is bent over the side of the crater and the rock
>and dirt is placed outside the crater.
>John Winston.
 
 
John - Your posts are interesting, and some could be believed with an
open mind and LARGE quantities of salt.  But this one is just not true.
Although I am no longer associated with the space program (was a contractor
 at JSC), I still study the moon through telescopes and atlases.  The
devices that you describe do NOT appear on NASA lunar photographs. (Nor
on ANY photographs that I have studied).          - Steve -
From: Steve_MacDonald@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:53:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Here is a response to the argument that compulsory military service some how
saved Switerland from Nazi invasion.
  I think that you are right in saying that Switerlands large militia detered
the Nazis from walking in like they did in Austria. Only to a point however. If
the Nazis really needed Switerland then they would have attacked and taken it
over. Switerland was not hostile and had no strategic value. Also the Swiss
were considered to be part of the Master Race. If the country was populated by
Jews or Slavs then the Nazis would have leveled it without a doubt.
  Also, Russia had compulsory service and that didn't stop them from getting 20
million of their people wiped out.
 I know a girl from Switzerland and she says that most people there think the
whole Milita thing is a big joke. They call it 'Boyscouts for men.'

Besides it doesn't really have to do with individuals owning handguns
bye 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:48:27 GMT

Dear Circle Watchers: (Now, who do you suppose I sound like?)

I have been noticing all the talk about Circles. One thing I never have
seen mentioned is the fact that the British government has offered a
reward of about $20,000 for solving the crop circles. Could someone please
verify this? I heard this on the CBS special the other night. Anyway, to
continue, you must understand that much money will cause a lot of people
to take a shot in the dark at how they think they could make a Crop circle.
Seems to me that many people, "Crop Circle Knowledgable" or not, would
try to prove how it was done in hopes of collecting the reward. What they
fail to realize is some of the more subte (or unusual, you pick) attributes
of the Circles are:

Stalks bent at sharp angles without fracture. Every try bending a wheat
stalk? If its green, it will do what they call (in medical terms) a
greenstick fracture. The longitudinal fibers will separate from each
other. These stalks were bent in a short enough radius that cause that, yet
no greenstick fracturing occurred.

Genetic altering of the seed. Grains were shown normal outside the Circle
but inside the grains were shown to have mutiple embyos. Not an uncommon
occurance since some outside the circle occasionally show multiples. What
is unommmon is the fact of the much higher percentage of multiple embryo
grains. (Myself, I consider this VERY unusual.)

Signs of some sort of heating. Someone said "microwave heating". Although this
could be true, just about any enery source from ultrasonic (if there is enough
quantity) to LF RF and on up to light will cause a rise in relative temperature
of given object. Especially if its a)wet or b)porous. 

Stalks are more than bent. More like weaved. In some, bases are weaved
in one direction while tops are weaved in another. 

Anyone that says they did this with a 2X4 and ropes is lying. Else:
I WANT SOME OF THOSE 2X4s !!!!!!

Gregg.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:34:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <35063.226927623@kcbbs.gen.nz> <1992Aug14.130443.23583@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>

Dear Moon Watchers:  I have been watching the postings and it may have
been me that put the original material on the net about lights on the 
moon. My teacher and Guru had a hillbilly friend that wore overalls from
Missouri by the name of Buck Nelson. Merele (my teacher) would let Buck
stay with him over in Oakland, Calif.  when he would come out and speak
for certain UFO club groups in the UFO clubs in the 1950s. Buck had a 
farm and once some people in a space craft came by and wanted to get
some water from his pond. He let them have the water and they gave him
quite a few rides. During some of these trips he would have a tingling
sensation in his body for quite a while as they would change his body
so that he could withstand the condition on other places.---JW.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:28:31 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug17.175318.8435@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>>I'm digging for my info.  I'll let you know when I get it.
>
>I cannot say that I personally have verifiable evidence showing that the circl
>are hoaxes.  But, there was a guy that posted earlier stating that one of
>his friend had made some.  Do you believe him?
>
That's second hand and therefore not admissible as evidence.  A videotape
or photographic series would go a looong way, though.

Rick



-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:5577 talk.religion.newage:3723 sci.skeptic:14175
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Hatton: CIA or ET
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:51:44 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug12.041842.15428@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp 
(Don Allen) writes:
[...]
> 
>True Christed beings don't sound like William Milton Cooper
>on speed! Use Discernment.

What do True Christed Beings (tm) sound like?

	RA

One of these days I gotta get me a .sig
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Korresponding with Klass
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:58:21 GMT

In article <l98ohcINN7it@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>The following is a letter I received from Philip Klass, and my reply to it:

Just out of curiosity, is Philip Klass the paranormal investigator the same
Philip Klass who (as William Tenn) wrote some of the best science
fiction of the fifties and sixties?  ("Child's Play", for instance.  I
remember reading it around age eleven...)

The Skeptical Enquirer lists Klass as "Science writer and engineer" on
their roster. 
							-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: Re: PROJECT BLUE BOOK IN ASCII FORMAT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:23:52 GMT

where can I, JOE CITIZEN, get my hands on the project bluebook papers?

j.c.

-- 
gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.............copyright 1992 gary burton........
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: READ ME READ ME READ ME READ ME READ ME READ ME READ ME READ ME
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:28:12 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Wow! Five in a row. Doing wonders for the Phone bill, aren't I?
JMcVey









Sorry, I couldn't help this. Blame it on evil aliens, if you wish, but
somehow I don't think that would wash with the Uni staff.....
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 08:17:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Astral Travellers: Now for a report on the OOBE train. The person
we call E came by and picked up D. and she was actually waiting and ready.
E. also said that a very adept oriental, maybe chinese lady is now with
us sort of running the show. Something was done in regard to a 5 pointed
star on the floor. I was either asleep (someone couldn't get their eyes
open which could have been me). Kumar was definently aware of my presence
but couldn't get going astrally. D. is trying to get a class started to 
teach all of this type of information in a large college in the NE part
of the US. She is wondering if Kumar also goes to that college. The name
of the college starts with Penn. I also had a person come into one of 
my dreams this last week. So it looks good. I had some pictures taken
and will try to contact Big Al. later.
John Winston
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:33:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug12.165518.11656@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <63914@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug13.193243.6520@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>

Dear Thinker: With these few rational thoughts you people are putting 
out, I'll just have to think about them for a while. I'm at a loss for words.
John Winston.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:50:32 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <h90mqb-.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>Considering that you can't send proof on the net it seems rather silly
>to demand it.
Offer to send it and I'll relay my mailing address...  of course it's
silly to assume you can squish that through the net.
  
>I could care less really, 
Then I won't bother to reply.

Cheers, Rick


-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Kidnappings, Mutilations: Sounds like racism....
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:49:21 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Do Greys only kidnap WASP Americans?!?!?!?
If they wanted to kidnap humans by the thousand, they'd go to Russia. There
is no messy government, the people are programmed to keep their mouths shut.
This sounds like a form of racism to me, that only Americans are good enough
to be kidnapped, and that American cows are the only ones good enough
to be mutilated. I know of now story of Australian cattle being
mutilated. Hell, it would be alot easier than in America here. So much space!
Our stations are the size of small countries, including some as big as all
of Texas. Plenty of room to 'set up camp' and mutiliate to their hearts
content. Don't waffle on about our farmers being scared to report it for
fear of being ridiculed - the crop circle mystery is still reasonably
good news in some places.

-- 
John McVey, Whyalla campus, Uni S.Australia
Enic Eng Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!)
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try
9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au

Those who believe in an afterlife will not be dissappointed.
				--me.
'An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.'
   				--Don Marquis
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:36:38 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64357@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>     Subject: Our Sun.
>             At the presemt time I'd like to make a statement that
>     will probubly make most conventional scientist roll on the 
>     floor laughing.  The statement is there are people living 
>     on the Sun and they have come to the Earth in the past.
[A lot of silliness deleted]

John - this is so silly, and contradicts so much basic knowledge about
how the universe works, that a refutation of it, and what follows,
is pointless.

Did you know that the Moon is really made of green cheese?

	RA
From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re^2: the missing link
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:27:21 GMT
Organization: Huh?

In article <14370@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>
>Hey, I know *I'm* an alien!
>...
>Hey! You can't PROVE I'm not who I say I am!

My Kibo newsletter with the channelings of Roobah Doobah says you are 
not an alien.  Therefore you *can't* be one.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush
From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: People bitching about this post! (was Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.160749.19913@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.001302.8228@mprgate.mpr.ca>, spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) writes:
>> 
>> In article <f8xm7=m@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) 
>> [...]
>> 
>> Enough already!
>> 
>> Get this topic out of alt.alien.visitors.
>> 
>
>What is wrong with you people anyway? Do you only read the net once a month?
>
>The original post that started the guns thing was about a dictatorship being
>imposed on the United States by George Bush after he canceled the November
>elections by declaring a national emergency, at which point ALIENS would take
>over the earth.
>
>So, in fact, the original poster had the following right and wrong:
>
>It WAS relevant to alt.alen.visitors, alt.conspiracy, sci.skeptic
>and alt.politics.bush.
>
>It should not, however, have been posted to alt.activism.
>
>Now quit bitching about this cross-posting!
>
>The net works this way:
>
>If you see a topic called: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!, you select
>it and read the first post. If you do not care to read any more then DO NOT READ
>ANY MORE TOPICS WITH THAT HEADING!!
>
An alternate method is that the people posting develope some etiquette nad quit
posting to newsgroups that no longer have anything to do with the items being
discussed. If you are saying that it is alright to crosspost to this newsgroup
then it should be perfectly acceptable for the people here to crosspost back 
and tell the people there to get the hell off the newsgroup.

>Get it?
>
Do you get it? 

>JEEZUS!
>
If you wish to point out that he is alive and well on Venus, then post to
this group. Otherwise fuck off.

>-- Alex --

Charles Buckley
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <63840@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Potential Rock Star Owners: The way Dr. Demonde proved that the 
                                                      ======
>rocks were moving was to put a time lapse camers on them and it was 
>found that the rocks move very slowly (the fastest moved 7 inches 
>in 14 weeks time) a sort of expanding and contracting motion as it 
>hunched its way across the table. More to come later.
>John Winston.

John I don't want to join the bandwagon and jump on your case but does
it ever occur to you to challange a statement? Not everything said and
printed is true. The time-lapse video could actually be a hoax.
Especially when your reading tabloids.


--
=========================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>||      Copyright (c) Denise faith Solis 1992    ||<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>||             dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com         ||<<<<<<<<<<<
=========================================================================
From: genem@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: I AM A ROCK?.
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:26:22 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <36183.226927694@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton) writes:
> randolph@est.enet.dec.com(Tom Randolph) types........
>>So how come the rock I have as a paperweight on my shelf here has never 
>>moved an inch in the 6 months it's been there?maybe it died cuz I didn't 
>>feed it.
> 
> Or maybe it was being recalcitrint.
> 
> *********************************  
> ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
> OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
> TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL?
> ***********************************







WRITE
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the missing link
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:17:01 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Garland O Burton writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <1992Aug18.034445.20061@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> Posted: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:44:4
> 
> Org.  : The Ohio State University
> 
> did anyone ever stop to think that we are all aliens to this planet?
> 
> thousands of years ago primatives could have been cross bred with our
> ancestors from afar.  "missing link?" you say.  were the dinosaurs
> erradicated
> before the experiment began for any certain reason?  what do our ancestors
> from afar think of what we've done to the planet up to now?  when will they
> think
> their experiment has gone far enough?  are hussein and kadaffee(sp?) the
> pinacle of the species?  was hitler?  cindy crawford?


Hey, I know *I'm* an alien!

(And to prove it, I'm going to go make some crop circles, clone Gary Stollman's
parents, teach my pet rock to sing, and breed a colony of invisible fish.  Then
I'm going to abduct everyone who reads alt.alien.visitors)

Hey! You can't PROVE I'm not who I say I am!


--
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:26:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <-z9mvpd.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>That's about all that can be posted to the net.
That's my point.  

Considering that you can't send proof through the net, I'd be willing
to look at your sources, newspaper and book citations.

What are your sources for believing that all the
crop circles were created by man alone?

My contention is that it's an assumption by you (and others) that men
created all of them.

>What would you accept as proof?

If you're trying to prove that any individual crop circle was created
by an individual, indeed that can be staged.  Most any proof would be
adequate.  If you've got a picture, VHS tape, etc, I'll provide you
my address.

For the concept that man created ALL of the crop circles...
I'll accept that if you can validate that, say 51% of the crop circles
since 1950 were created by humans, I'd accept that most of the crop
circles were created by humans.  Confessions, close examination of
the circles, photos of men making circles and other such proof would
be fine.  And others have pointed out you won't be able to prove they were
ALL created by man.

Rick

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:38:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing

Well, it seems that the predictable has happened.  The skeptics are
annoyed and the comments that actually contained information were
ignored (true, they weren't mine...).

I'd be interested in seeing a videotape of the CBS show on the
Crop Circles...  I believe it was called "Visitors".

Also, would like other information as it becomes available.

To those who wish to chalk all the crop circles up to the "safe" explanation
of "Man-made"...  well, there's nothing to say.  Nobody is listening.

See you, It's been fun.

Rick
 

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: MEN IN BLACK
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:15:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm sorry I called Mr. Sheaffer by the first name Ralph. His name is 
Robert. I meant no disrespect. I'm very busy the last two days. I'll catch
everybody later.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton)
Subject: Tracks of the Unknown.
Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:39:16 +0000

I found  this report of a cattle  mutilation in the Reader's
Digest -  "Mysteries of the Unknown".   It differs from most
reports  in  that  tracks  were left behind,   presumably by
whatever was responsible for the attack.

---
TRACKS OF THE UNKNOWN

A "mysterious trail of suction-like impressions"  caught the
attention  of  the  cattle  inspector  and  law  enforcement
officer investigating a typical case of cattle mutilation in
Rio Arriba County, New Mexico.   The incident,  involving  a
three-year-old  cow missing its sexual organs,  tongue,  and
one ear,  was reported June 13,  1976,  by a rancher  in the
Dulce area.
        The  June  15  issue  of   _The_Albuquerque_Tribune_
stated that the indentations were tripodlike, about 4 inches
in diameter and 28 inches apart from each other.  The tracks
terminated about 500 feet from the dead animal, according to
the law officer,  "as if they had landed at that point, gone
to the cow and then returned to that point."   The day after
the  investigators   had  visited  the  site,   the  article
continued,   the   rancher  had  returned  and   "found more
depressions on top of the tyre  tracks made by his truck the
day before."  Several similar incidents were to occur in the
Dulce area in 1978.
---

Has anyone heard of any other incidents in which tracks have
been left behind ?

-Sean.

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