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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Lex Luthor (was Doomsday:  I've been wondering)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:59:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxxBC1.M0w
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <SS.92Nov18073000@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>howie> I'm sorry .... Wally West is NOT the Flash and Matrix is NOT
>howie> Supergirl!  And then they kill off Lex Luthor, replacing him
>howie> with a hairy clone.
>
>But it IS the same Luthor. His brian was transfered to a new cloned
>body. I think the nice guy attitude he has now will fade after some
>time and the old Luthor will be back. 
>
Still, there was no reason for DC to "clone" him off, only a relatively
few years after they redid the character after Crisis. Frankly, the
Australian accent and the general appearance of Luthor have made
him a different and less appealing character in my eyes evenn though
it's the same guy.

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From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: Flaming of LNHers
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

This argument over whether or not LNH material belongs on this newsgroup
is not only sophomoric, petty and -- most importantly -- UNFOUNDED,
but now it's getting personal and THAT WILL STOP!
Just because a few closed-minded, self-appointed Newsnet Police have
decided that simply because THEY don't like or "have no interest" in
the LNH, that it doesn't belong on "their" newsgroup, is no reason for
anyone associated with the LNH to bow to these NetLord wanna-bes.
I'm tempted to make reference to sand and where they can pound it,
but I won't sink to the pathetic level of personal insults that so
many of these Newsnet Police "officers" have sunk to in stuffing
my e-mail box with flames in the past three days.
Grow up and pull you thumb out so you can use your kill file!


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From: carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:04:34 GMT

In article <1ek574INNkkj@pollux.usc.edu>, akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit
Khale) wrote:
> 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vicki Vale goes *way* back, to the
> >Golden Age, doesn't she?  Too bad she wasn't left back there...
> 
> Yup, batman #49, as far back as 1948. She wasnt really that prominent as a 
> character till the early 80s. 
> 

I seem to remember reading a couple issues of Batman Family in the early 
'80s which reprinted older Batman stories.  I thought that Vicki was 
Batman's very own Lois Lane, contantly trying to find out who Batman was. 
I think there was a storyline in which she hid in the trunk of the
Batmobile 
(!) to find out.

It was probably in Batman Family #2 or #3, as those are the only ones I
ever
managed to find.  Were there more?

Rob

Rob Carlin                      |  "Nothing's so cold
carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu  |   As closing the heart when all we need
carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu |   Is to free the soul
                                |   But we wouldn't be that brave, I know."
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Valor #3
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:42:29 GMT

In article <Ef3Ys=K00iV14138MW@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>And I have to agree--Valor punching Lobo because he insulted Valor's
>ship? Doesn't Valor remember that Lobo is supposed to be one of the most
>dangerous KILLERS in the galaxy? Whatever happened to heroes with great
>power remembering the incredible responsiblities that go along with it?
>Valor does seem to be regressing in maturity.

Disclaimer: I don't have this issue.

But it seems that if Lobo is around as powerful as Superman, and Valor is a lot
more powerful than Superman, that it would be perfectly safe for Valor to
punch Lobo, killer or not.  (Of course, Valor has a bad case of power-level-
fluctuation-depending-on-writer, which probably negates this.)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Opinions about _The Spectre_
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:39:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>   So, after all is said and done, I'll buy at least up to issue 5 or so.  I
>just don't want the series to turn into DC's version of _Ghost Rider_, which I
>felt had a lot of potential after reading issue 1.  The problem that _Ghost
>Rider_ ran into was that all the potential was all ignored in favor of doing
>lots of blood and violence with GR spouting either "I am the Spirit of
>Vengeance" and "You must pay for the innocent blood you have spilled" in every
>panel.

    I thought the 1st issue was pretty good as far as first issues go.  It was
basically written as "here's a series about the Spectre, so let's begin...".

    I think Tom Mandrake's pencils & inks are great for the book and Ostrander
has always produced solid monthly stories.  Unfortunately, Ostrander seems to
have trouble getting sales and keeping his books.  I hope this one fairs
better, it has potential.  There are similar airs to Ghost Rider in this book
and like Ghost Rider, I'm excited at these early stages.  Unlike Ghost Rider
though, Ostrander just may bring all this potential to light.

    I've dropped Ghost Rider a while ago and there room in my list for the
Spectre should it continue to enterain me as well as grow.

>   Discussion?  Also, isn't John Ostrander a subscriber to the COMICS-L mailing
>list?  It'd be cooler than cool to talk to him directly about this stuff.

    I don't know.  If he is I'd sure like to establish a lines to communicate
with him.  IMHO, he's currently one of the best monthly writers for comics.

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Is Superman #75 for Wed, or Fri?
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:55:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:45:27 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:45:27 GMT, kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K) said:

kamg> Just wanted to confirm with anyone who knows.

kamg> I read awhile back (from CSN, I think) that Superman #75 was
kamg> coming out tomorrow (the Wednesday) yet lately the local news
kamg> stations have reporte d its release this Friday.

The adds in comics were the 20th. That's Friday....

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Nigh Invulnerable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:14:15 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:

>Well, before we go any further on this, I figured I'd rename the thread.  For 
>all of the few posts it's likely to last.... }->
>    I reiterate that only the Tick is "Nigh" Invulnerable.  This is not to say
>that others can't be "Almost" Invulnerable, "Pretty Damn" Invulnerable or 
>"Mostly" Invulnerable.  They just can't be *Nigh* Invulnerable.  That's Tick's 
>power.
>     Dave Van Domelen, not *even* invulnerable

	Hey!  I thought Colossus was *nigh* invulnerable LONG before the rest
of the other guys...

Not that I'm gonna argue with him...
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From: sal@pacdata.uucp (Sal Quintanilla)
Subject: Re: Superman death issues: A good laugh
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:55:07 GMT

>>   Along the same line, i was in this place a week ago, a mother
>> was purchasing the latest Wolverine comic for her son. She asked
>> him if he liked the character, the kid ignored her and proceded to
>> ask the clerk if she thought the comic would be valuable some day.
>>   Some days you just gotta shake your head in disgust.

For the sake of equal time....

At a San Diego, CA store, my wife heard a kid that looked about 8 or 9
ask his mother, "you mean we're never going to open it?".  She had 3
super-bags.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ???Night Crys???
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:41:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: 's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:34:35 EST

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:34:35 EST, <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu> said:

IBA100> I spelled that wrong, oh well. when is Batman: Night Cries comming out?
IBA100> Or is it out already? how much is it (Hardcover version)

It came out like 2 months back. It was $25 if I remeber correctly.

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Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 19:55:45 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: THE Image Scorecard
 <1992Nov15.193738.12534@cs.unca.edu>

Here's my 2 cents.
I liked WILDCats, I liked Jim Lee's art in it, I can't really say too
much about the writing cause there's only been 2 issues, I usual
critisize about the writing when a atoryline's finished.  But
back to Jim Lee art.  One of you said that you liked his stuff in X-Men.
He was good in that, but I *really* like his stuff in Punisher War
Journal.  His art in that was incredible.  I think his art is more
suitable for a realistic 'hero' than for 'superheroes' (well, uh,
as realistic as a Punisher can get, but you know what I mean).I even like
his War Journal better than WILDCats with it's suped up coloring and
very riche paper-Ah!Oui!Oui.

Youngblood- Eeeuyuch!Really bad.  I saw no evidence whatsoever of a
story (I even searched through the ads for it and nope! Nothing there!)
All his comic books are just huge wrestling matches, and if there actually
axists the possiblility of a story, it's just some little dweeby
wrestling soap opera story.I also don't like his art.Everybody's arms
are just straight.  None of them bend!  I also think that drawing
backgrounds is against his religion. Same with McFarlane, but I like
his characters. But Holy! How many back alleys and brick walls and
little dust storms whipping around his cape do we need?!

Cyberforce.  Mega Awesome!  I liked his art better than Wolverine but that's
probably just because of the better paper and coloring.

Wetworks.  Can't wait!  Hurry up and get the damn thing out already!

I also wanted to comment on Liefields work that I forgot to add above.
Hasn't he pumped out 4 different comics at Image; YoungBlood, Supreme,
Brigade, and something else I've forgotten. I could be wrong cause I
didn't look at the credits, but the art in all of those comics looks like
Liefeld.  Is he also writting all of these too?  If he is, then no
wonder his story's suck, he's doing too much work to concentrate on only
one comic.
Check six
Paul
(The Great White NOrth.  I finally tracked down a Supes 75!)
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Deaths of Legends
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:30:43 GMT

The OSU library had a book sale today, and a large amount of "quarter box" 
comics were for sale there.  I lucked onto the "Only Legends Never Die" story 
there for 50 cents....the one where Batman II died.
     Kinda sad that a badly done death of Supes would sell so well yet a well 
done deathscene goes for so little.  Although it is a sign of hope that several
other people were looking for that exact issue and were rather annoyed when I 
told them, "Oh yeah, I've got it right in this pile (I had a rather huge pile 
of comics...all of Coyote and normalman plus others)."  Sure, Batman had a 
'pointless' death, but it was a well done one.  More Pyrrhic than pointless.
     Dave Van Domelen, not buying Supes #75 either...I got someone else to buy 
it for me. }->
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Annotated Slapstick #3
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:05:36 GMT

Okay, this will NOT be complete, since I am not Obscure Trivia Lad.

Title: Sweeny Toddler - reference to Sweeney Todd, but I don't know the plot of
  Sweeny Todd.  Sorry.
p1: Marvel Monsterpieces time. "Krogarr!  He Lives!  He Conquers!"

p2: Spragg, Goom, Brutu, Moomba and Zzutak are all Marvel Monsters (the
"Spragg" clued me in.  He has Godzilla's back condition, climbs the Empire
State like Kong, and has the jaw of (I think) Krogarr.

p3: Universal Pictures 1933 is the company and year of King Kong.  "Nice goin'
Squid" must mean Slapstick is secretly Suicide Squid. }->

p4: nothing that isn't self evident, really.

p9:  Addams Family house (or at least a similar design).  The typeface of
"--The Denton Residence" is your standard Horror Title type.  The lightning
everytime the Denton Residence is mentioned is a homage to the Frau Blucher
(krak-boom!) from Young Frankenstein.

p10:  Yes, we're supposed to think Vinnie at first is the Overkiller, from his 
outline.  There's probably a refernce in Vinnie's number, but I don't know it.

p11:  Lots of WB cartoon mad scientist stuff, and Acme kits.  "No more 
pencils..." is a common schoolyard ditty, for those who escaped hearing it as a
kid.  "It's Alive! IT'S ALIVE!" is of course, a Frankenstein ref.

p16:  "Teddy <insertverb>" is another parody of old Hulk dialogue.

p18:  Odd how a solid seamless block can elongate at the turn of a crank. }->

p19: The burnt Slapstick in panel 1 looks like most burnt WB cartoon characters
tend to.  Panel 4, Slapstick resembles a Goofy Service Jerk from Beanworld, but
this may be accidental.  Panel 5, do you really need to be told?

p20: First of several Megaton Man refs in panel 1.

p23: Hero of the Beach refers to a jillion old Charles Atlas ads.  The last 
panel is a homage to the cover of Megaton Man #1, with Barb in Pammy's 
position, saying "Woo" which is a Megs line.

p28:  Panel 2, reference to Slack, a Subgenius concept (yes, I know he meant 
slack in the cord, but metaphorically he was also out of Slack).  Panels 3-6 he
literally throws a Monkey Wrench in the works.

More refernces as I find and identify them.
     Dave Van Domelen, had an awful hard time properly spelling 'references' in
this post
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Gaiman & Cooper
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:58:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Has anyone read the latest Previews?  Its got a pretty decent interview
with Neil.  It also mentions him working on a concept album with Alice Cooper.
I think this could be really neat, being that 'Alice Cooper is a comic book
character already'.

    Does anyone have any more information on this?  When is the album due out?
Are there any guest spots by other musicians who may be comic book fans like
Alice is?

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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:57:13 GMT

How about that Zatanna limited series that was supposed to appear sometime
this year?

August Paul Yang is a little vapourous himself
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:01:50 EST



AM I the only one who liked ROBIN 3000?  The situation was fairly trite 
-- evil aliens take over Earth, Batman & friends are the last of the 
struggling resistance, Batman dies, Robin takes over - and I got tired of 
seeing all the clones.

But the art alone made it worth the price, and there were other nice 
touches.  It truly had a futuristic feel, something we don't often see in 
comics these days.  It had some good characterization; loved the style 
with which Robin's had was repaired and the characterization of the 
scientist.

It isn't a Great and Memorable comic, but it was pretty good, and better 
than some of the other Elseworlds stories so far.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Slapstick #3
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:07:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar


Dave, thanks for the annotations.  Slapstick is a surprisingly
good read.  Folks, check it out!  There's only one issue left!

Actually, an inter-company crossover between Slapstick
and The Black Hood would work a lot better than perhaps
it should.  Can anyone else see this?  Slapstick is 
stronger in plot and character than most wacky comics,
while Black Hood has a lot of wonky touches for a 
dramatic comic.  Both are about teenage guys somewhat
over their heads with power of transforming into
something radically different.  The art styles of
the two books wouldn't jar either.

--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems   Mountain View, Calif.
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Creative Team Changes in Titans Titles
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:31:51 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

I noticed the most recent issue of The New Titans was edited 
by two people: Jonathon Peterson and someone new. Is Peterson
leaving the title (I hope I hope I hope)?

I also noticed that, in the newest issue of CBG's Comics In
Your Future section, Louise Simonson was lited as the 
writer of issue #96 of New Titans. Is Marv Wolfman leaving
the book after all these years? (Incidentally, he's still
listed as the writer of Team Titans.)
-- 
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protect us from those who do evil in the name of good.
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From: rkelly@pioneer.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Latest Taboo?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:39:02 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility
Distribution: na

Bradley Reid writes:
>Thanks,
>Brad Reid
>breid@lynx.cs.washington.edu

Latest Taboo?
Oh, posting to the RACM and saying absolutely nothing.  

Nor have I seen the book/anthology/comic... There's too many Superman 
Fanatics in the way.

Are there any other mags out there like Taboo and Raw?

Robert Kelly 
rkelly@pioneer.unm.edu
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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The illegal Sandman
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:08:09 GMT

I heard a fairly definate, but unfortunately incomplete rumour this weekend
about a recent(ish) customs and excise raid on one of the UK comic
shops/distributors - apparently amongst the goods seized were all the copies
of Sandman #33 (the one where George first meets Thessaly) & the Dolls House 
and Season of Mists collections, together with a number of Hellblazers
and others.

Does anyone know anything to confirm/confound this - I find it a little
disturbing, to say the least, and would like to know more.

Cheers,

Andy

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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:32:19 GMT

In article <BxxHM9.786@umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>Could anyone tell me the Batman and Hulk issues that Harlan Ellison 
>wrote? Any other comic titles would also be appreciated. I know he also
>wrote a "Twilight Zone" comic that had to do with Demonology..

Twilight Zone #1 of the Now series, which was an adaptation by Harlan
and Neal Adams of his Crazy as a Soup Sandwich syndicated TZ episode.

He plotted Avengers #88 and Hulk #140, which were scripted by Roy Thomas.
Thomas worked as many Ellison titles into the latter as possible. He
also plotted Avengers #101, and co-plotted a couple of issues of Daredevil
(208-9) with Art Cover. He wrote the story for Detective #567, a very funny
story about the worst night in Batman's life.

Other miscellaneous comics work includes the graphic novel adaptation of
his 50s Earth-Kyba War stories by him and Ken Steacy (Night and the Enemy),
The Chocolate Alphabet comic adaptation by Larry Todd (inspired by a painting
by same, or at least the N entry was). Rockgod was done by him and Neal Adams
in Creepy #32. The Illustrated Harlan Ellison contains some comic adaptations
of his work. He also wrote a page or three of the X-Men Heroes For Hope
Ethiopean Famine Relief book.

Finally, Harlan dopplegangers have appeared in last month's Dark Horse Presents
in the Concrete story (Duane Bird) and JLA #80something (Harlequin Ellis), 
and possibly a few others that I'm not recalling at the moment.

"Wait a minute! A new premium! Any female person who calls in and pledges
$40 gets a live Tom Galloway! He's a wonderful, sweet, guy, makes great
chocolate chip pies...Susan, say something nice about Tom..." --Harlan Ellison
deciding to auction me off as a KPFK fundraiser premium in 1987
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com