HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: maton@herald.usask.ca (Terry Maton)
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b (ALSO subject lines)
Originator: maton@herald.usask.ca
Reply-To: maton@herald.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:19:23 GMT

From article <smyDuB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, by yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee):
> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
> 
> French later.  I can see that Canada might not follow suit after this.
> 
> - Two issues.
> -
> - Splitting up s.c.b:  There is no valid reason to do this.  The eclectic
> - subjects in this group are one of the main reasons it's a delight, and the
> - volume is far from the heaviest in usenet.  Either you _want_ to read this
> - volume, in which case after a split you'd you'd have to chase it to
> - whatever other groups were split off, or you can handle what you don't want
> - to read perfectly well by kill files.
> 
>    Discretion can also be used, that's why I term kill files as useless.
>   Ray, given the VOLUME that come through here, splitting MIGHT be viable.
>

I agree with Ray.  I do not post very often, but I do follow s.c.b. with
great interest as an ex-pat and also, because I ran the original vote to
form s.c.b. in the first place!

I *love* the variety of the postings and think it is part of it's charm. I do
not read every article - that's what subject headings are for!

That does raise one point.  I really get quite pissed off at people who
use the follow-up command to post to news groups and then write about
something completely different to the subject!  You look at the subject line
and then decide it is of interest; then look at the article and think *huh?* 

'ere's mud in yer eye!

Terry
-- 
Terry Maton
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

INTERNET:   maton@sask.usask.ca   or   maton@herald.usask.ca
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16103 soc.culture.canada:8638 sci.research.careers:1466
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:01:38 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
 <18NOV199218175442@sscvx1.ssc.gov>

In article <18NOV199218175442@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE
GODFREY) says:
>
>In article <Bxxr67.Lws@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
>writes...
>>In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>(LAURENCE
>GODFREY) writes:
>>BLABLABLA>(...)
>>It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>>>their awful and intensely boring country, ...
>>
>>
>>EXXXCUSE me... If you're not happy about it, change newsgroups....
>>
>>
>>>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has     d
>faile
>>                            _:_
>>                  Sorry Mr. GODfrey, didn't think you where so pretencious
>
>It's pretentious chum, and you're using it out of context in addition to
>spelling it wrongly.
>>
>>
>>>and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
>>>from which I can access usenet.
>>
>>I'm sure you can SUCKUP to someone somewhere ...
>>
>Is this level of maturity characteristic of Canadian net users?
>>>
>
>Laurence
>

Laurence is mad because he had some sort of falling out with the
National Research Council which wouldn't give him a grant for something.

He has as a result decided to launch a vendetta against a nation of almost
30 million, specifically those of us on usenet. Perhaps it's time Mr Godfrey
gets on with his life instead of living out his days shaking his fist at
Canada, blaming an entire country for his troubles. Grow up Mr Godfrey, grow up
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:13:55 GMT

In article <359t02zN2bhg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
>Today's lunch special in the Amdahl cafeteria, Fish & chips & cole slaw:
>
>Me:            Fish and chips please, but no cole slaw
>Dinner lady:   Do you want French fries?
>
>AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH...........
>
>Chris Lee


Do not despair. I have detected signs of hope in land. There are a
few reputeable eating holes that recognise
a: Fish ain't fish unless it is wrapped in Newspaper
b: Vinegar and salt can be added

c: and no you don't get a pickle....

-- 
  Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com
"Sometimes you get the bear, and other times the bear gets you.
I think we have just been gotten"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:35:00 GMT

In article <By1FLA.MxD@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)     writes...
>(You know the story)
>>
>>>It sounds to me as if this person is the sort who is only happy when he is
>>>bitching at something/someone. As for Canada being boring--I must laugh.
>>>This is one of the most diverse countries in the world, with amongst the
>>>greatest geography and friendliest people. 
>>> 
>>Absolute nonsense - ever been to Asia?  Ever lived anywhere else but Canada?
>>I have lived in Engalnd, France, Switzerland, Germany, Thailand, Japan, US,
>>Canada and worked in all of them.  I have visited malaysia, singapore, Burma,,
>>all of western europe, hong kong, philippines,the gulf, middle east etc.
>>Canada is the most boring without a shado of a doubt.
>>
>>Laurence
>>
>He can't even spell the name of his own country !!!
> 
>BTW, it's very nice that you've been to all those places, but please tell us,
> 
>Which one's gonna kick you out next ???
> 
>>
>>
>>If Mr. Godfrey were female, I'd say he had a good case of PMS: not pre, or
>>>post, but permanent.
>>> 
>>>-- 
>>>Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada
> 
>David Turgeon
> 
> 

I think I've said this about 10 times already on the network - but I'm
going to say it again really slow so that you can understand it:
Canada
didn't
kick
me
out

In
fact
they
renewed
my
contract
for
two
years
immediately
before
I
quit
voluntarily.

There, is that clear now?

Over here in England we expect our undergraduates to be able to comprehend
a couple of short sentences after repeating them only twice.  Aparently in
Canada ytwice is not sufficient.

On a more serious note, I have received a few emails from people supporting
me, but who are unwilling to post, and a lot of hate mail postings (I haven't
counted - perhaps 50).  There is nothing to be gained from talking to people
who don't want to listen, and there are none so blind as those who cannot see.
Nor is there any point in arguing th merits of a country with those who have 
never set foot outside North America (or even Canada), nor in discussing the
merits of Fabrikan's allegations with with semi-literate
undergraduates who wouldn't know an academic dispute if they fell over one.
Thus I do not intend to continue with this absurd exchange, but I am responding
to any sensible emails that I receive.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Canadian free speech in action
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:44:00 GMT

Some of my Canadian readers have complained to the lab at which one of my accounts
is based, in an attempt to have me prevented from using the vax from which I
usually access usenet.  It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
their awful and intensely boring country, they would rather try to construct
a case for interfering with my legitimate work.

So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has failed,
and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
from which I can access usenet.

Laurence

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Austers, Biggles & Brit War Comics
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:45:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <thos.722492043@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <By1Esn.Hno@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>The book 'Spitfire Parade' is about the battle. This is the book where
>he meets Bertie (Lord Lissie), and several others that hang around in
>most of the WW2 books. There are notable things about 'Spitfire Parade'
>that make some of it an obvious rehash of some parts of 'Biggles of 266'
>'Biggles, Pioneer Air Fighter' etc. Almost certainly rushed out as a 
>patriotic measure during the war, probably during the battle itself.

OK...

I'll have to find this book.

>One of my favorites was 'Biggles in Burma'. Don't forget he also joined
>the Foreign Legion (at least, he and Algy did).

I remember the Foreign Legion one, and "Biggles in Burma" might have been 
the one with the spiked chewing gum...

>How about the Worrals or Gimlet books?

I've seen all of _one_ Gimlet book. Something about the Carribean and 
-- 
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From: rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Summary: Bowes and Bowes no longer exists in Cambridge
Keywords: Bowes and Bowes; W.H.Smith; Sherrat and Hughes; Cambridge University Press
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:33:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Pure Mathematics, University of Cambridge

In article <1992Nov17.155823.29715@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>[...]
>Is Bowes currently in an existent state?

Bowes and Bowes originally had three shops in Cambridge, one general,
one languages and one science.  The latter two closed in 1973 or there-
abouts, leaving them with "the one on the corner".  They were taken
over by W.H.Smith, who used B&B as their academic bookshop name for
a few years, then changed the name to Sherrat and Hughes.  They gave
up the last B&B shop in Cambridge two years ago, and it is now the
Cambridge University Press showroom.  The S&H chain I believe still
exists as Smith's campus bookshop name.

Richard Pinch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:01:47 GMT

In article <15NOV199211314308@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov15.040331.29535@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,

|> Who owns BT these days, anyway?
|> 
|> We're not quite sure.  We are told it's the shareholders, but I don't know
|> anyone who will admit to being a shareholder.

The government still had a large shareholding.  Arn't the names of the
shareholders in a plc public ?

|> Are you suggesting that it is the kingpin of the 4th Reich?

Hard to imagine that the Germans have bought it, it runs far too efficiently
and with far too little bureaurocracy for their liking.  Last time I tried
getting a line in the new improved Bundesrepublik they told me they'd run
out of numbers and I would have to wait 3 months.  The size of the waiting
list being governed by the shortfall of numbers !

David.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:46:08 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov17.192529.8593@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:

>Unlike many cities around the world, the U.S. cities have a
>relatively large amount of money on the streets, and thus lawlessness has its
>benefits (to the lawless).


What does this mean? US pedestrians carry more money in their
wallets? So why don't they just carry less? I don't understand this.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:16:39 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov23.105407.1308@siemens.co.at> barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl) writes:
>Gwyn Evans @ IME (evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com) wrote:

>My question to the british netters: 
>Do you all agree in paying for the Queen's private possess from your taxes?

Windsor Castle is the Queen's official residence and belongs to the
nation.  Out of the Queen's many homes, I think only Balmoral and
Sandringham are privately owned.



--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16008 soc.culture.celtic:7368
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:05:27 GMT
	<CC.92Nov13115602@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov16.011726.17996@philmtl.philips.ca>
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Nov16.011726.17996@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:

   In refd article, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
   >  Also, one of the heaviest influences on Scots has been from
   >French, from the centuries of French domination of Scotland.

   I'm not sure why you say that the French dominated Scotland for centuries.
   There was certainly a strong Franco-Scottish _connection_ (the Auld
   Alliance) and the Stewart line spent much of their time in France and
   surrounded by the French, but domination?

Well, when Mary of Guise was regent of Scotland, and there was any trouble
at t' mill, it was the French armed forces she called on. So the
French occupied Leith for a bit, and they besieged the castle at St Andrews
(and took John Knox prisoner). A bit more than a connection, there.

But I agree with your main point - surely the perceived "oppressing power"
was always further north than Calais.

--
Alan Smaill,                       JANET: A.Smaill@uk.ac.ed             
Department of Artificial           ARPA:  A.Smaill%uk.ac.ed@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
       Intelligence,               UUCP:  ...!uknet!ed.ac.uk!A.Smaill
Edinburgh University.
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: English Terms (40's, 50's,'60's)
Keywords: Ted, Mod, et al
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:08:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Nov10.013958.5677@muddcs.claremont.edu>, jharrel@domo.claremont.edu (John Harrelson) writes:

TeddyBoy= male, brothel creepers, DA hairdo, dayglo jacket with wiiide lapels 

Mod= scooter with zillions of mirrors and headlights, parka or suit and thin tie
Hobbies hitting some seaside town on a bank holiday and fighting with rockers.

Rocker= leather jacket, could have DA hairdo, rides a norton, BSA etc. Hobbies
hating scooters and parka wearing people, reciprocating on banmk holidays.

 Trev

PS. DA = ducks arse cos thats what it looked like.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:17:38 GMT

In article <1ea948INNt8l@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.210302.12005@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>
>> >
>> 
>> No way.  Sounds like a British neologism to me.  BT must be starting
>> this up as a sideline - last spring I tried to call a friend of mine
>> in London, since I wanted him to pick me up at the airport later that week.
>> I kept getting a recording which stated "The line is parked.", over & over.  
>> I thought that was fairly strange message, so I called the ATT
>> operator to ask what it meant.  She didn't know, so she call the BT operator
>> to find out.  Yes, it IS another synonym for "busy" or "engaged".
>> Well why couldn't they SAY so?
>
>I have a vague feeling that it isn't quite the same. Busy/Engaged implies
>that the line or equipment is in use by someone else. I think Parked means
>that it has been taken out of service by a technician, possibly for testing.

Hmmm.  Parked == out of service.  I can well believe it, but the
name "parked" doesn't suggest either 'busy' or 'out of service'.
Someone with a distict lack of flair for language is at work here. 

>
>Normally busy will give you one of two busy tones, depending on the reason,
>a recorded announcement is unusual in those circumstances.
>

So I would have thought.  I have actually spent several years
writing provisioning and operations support software for the telephony 
industry, and as a consequence can usually make out most of the weird 
vocabulary that the operations types come up with, but "parked" 
eluded us.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:00:39 GMT


ARGHHH!  STOP!  STOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is to all of those people who, rightly or wrongly, feel the
need to respond to post from about, by, or for  Mr. Godfrey.  If
you don't want to see this continue on, then STOP!

A quick hint--if you think that someone is wasting bandwidth on the
net, making stupid, unsupportable statements, and would just like them
to quit--posting a reply telling them what they are doing wrong isn't
the way to do it.  Gritting your teeth and not posting anything, nothing
at all--not even an e-mail message--is a much better way to go.

So, to all who truly with to see an end to this thread, do not post
anymore.  At all.  For any reason.  Not even to this article.  Not
even if you love it, or feel that your life end if you cannot 
demonstrate on the net how terribly wrong I am.  (As a special
concession, if you JUST CAN'T STAND IT, feel free to send me e-mail.
)

For my part, I promise never, ever ever evereverever, to post again
on this topic.  Cross my heart, spit, and hope to die.  (Though
if this thread doesn't peter out soon, I may become the latest
crazed Canadian at universities.  "Student Couldn't Tolerate Network
Pablum:  Deepfries Originators in Campus Cafeteria."  The joys of
not having a working "kill" command.)

Ken McDonald
mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:55:18 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

>	This is because neither the police _nor_ the populace of most
>western European countries is as heavily armed as their counterparts
>here in the US. With too many guns about in the hands of _everyone_ 
>even trivial altercations can escalate into deadly violence. But this
>violence level alone is not indicative of the power of the police in
>the States. The police in the US may not be particularly 'shackled' in
>comparison to the police in Britain (outside of Northern Ireland, where
>they're _very_ free to do whatsoever the hell they please), but in
>comparison to the power the police have in most of Europe, American
>cops are comparatively restricted with what they can _succeed_
>in doing in the course of their work. They do not have the ability to
>abuse illegal immigrants to the extent that police on the European
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>continent do. If a police force in a major city in the US were to
>engage in targeting of non-whites for ID carding the way they do in
>Paris there would be an uproar, and they would eventually be forced
>to back down. The cops in Paris are notorious for this kind of abuse
>of power, but you hear virtually no complaint from the French people
>over this behavior. Likewise the cops in Milan are very free with 
>their batons when 'dealing with' Arab and Balkans immigrants, but you
>don't find out much about it in the Italian press.

    the very fact that they are illegal means the ppolice should
catch them, I don't think most people would find anything wrong
with this.

  If instead you actually meant legal immigrants, then the difference
in attitude between the white population of France and the US might
be to do with the USA being a country of immigration.  As France and
the countries of Europe were not built in recent centuries by 
immigration it is not to surprising attitudes differ.

>	The police in this country regularly overstep the bounds of 
>legal and morally acceptable behavior, but the operative words in your
>statement above are 'recent reports'. The cops here constantly complain
>about how they can't do their jobs, because of watchdog groups and 
>legal restrictions on their actions in the line of duty. I don't mean
>to include Britons in what I'm about to say because your society is 
>a good bit more respecting of 'fair play' than most. But by and large,
                               
   Are you sure about this?  In the UK this is the sort of thing
you hear from politicians and journalists when they go on about 
how wonderful the Uk is.
    eg  "The british monarchy is the envy of the world"
        "The BBC is the envy of the world"
        "Britain has a fine tradition of accepting refugees"
        "Britain is the home of democracy"
         etc, etc ...

>|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:38:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chowning.cnmat.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov23.114552.10991@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
> In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai  
Banarji) writes:
> >               Clinton's British connection
> >
> >  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at  
Oxford.
> >He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
> >a London suburb.
> >
> >       She was named after a song by Joni Mitchell.  This makes
> >       me feel old.
> 
> 	Alec Chambers.

That's right, the name of the Joni Mitchell song is "Chelsea Morning" and  
it's on one of her early albums (obviously, since Chelsea is 16 yrs old or  
so), I think "Ladies of the Canyon" (or is that just the name of another  
song?).





--
Greg Sandell
Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu