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From: paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue's and Cyclops' control of powers
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:38:59 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr13.192509.1270@bvc.edu> stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.123419.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) writes:
>>> Same question goes for Cyclops, is there something wrong with him or
>>> is his power just uncontrollable?
>> 
>> If I recall correctly. Cyclops *should* be able to control his power but, 
>> due to trauma suffered at the hands of Mr. Sinister as a child, he doesn't 
>> have the ability to 'switch off' his power.
>> 
>> I seem to remember a story where Loki was trying to get more power from 
>> "They who sit above in shadow". To do this he gave the world some sort 
>> of energy beam that, if you entered it, your dreams would come true (in 
>> exchange for your best talent or skill). When Cyclops came out of the beam 
>> he had control of his blasts.
>
>	Sorry, but wrong answer...what you are talking about is the 
>X-Men/Alpha Flight crossover...
>	Doing this from memory, so don't live or die by this...

	x-men/alpha-flight crossover... loki decides he want to rule asgaard..
  so he goes to "T.W.S.A.I.S"... and they tell him do something self-less for
  earth.. so he makes the magic fountain... anyone going in has thier wish 
  fulfilled... mutants are not affected because they already have powers... 
  only thing is those who go in lose imagination.. mutants retain thiers cause
  they don't get anything from it... hence mutants will still be hated so a 
  fight breaks out those for and those against the fountain... (it is drawn as
  a beam).. fountain is eventually spurned and loki gets good and ripping mad..
  so he decides to force the mortals to accept it and "T.W.S.A.I.S" tell him
  that if he ahd accepted the rejection of the fountain in good graces then he
  could have ruled asgaard...  there is more to this but that is basically 
  what happened...

	two main points of interest for this line both come from the powers 
  that madelyne gained... she "cured" Rogue such that she could control her 
  power... and she fixed cyke brain damage.. cyke didn't go in the beam.. 
  she also fixed puck's dwarfism and wolvie's insanity... 

	so both rogue and cyke have the potential for control of thier powers 
  through magic means...


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From: hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison)
Subject: Re: voices for Sandman
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:29:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.172624.27370@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> gls@windmill.att.com (Col. Sicherman) writes:
+In article <92104.230607MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu>, MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
+> What about an *animated* movie?
+> 
+>              ...and probably cutting out Mister Miracle and J'onn, but that
+> seems to be a given. Whose voice for Dream?
+
+Well, I'm willing to take a stab at it ...
+
+	DREAM . . . . . . . Lorenzo Music
+	DEATH . . . . . . . June Foray
+	DESTINY . . . . . . Sterling Holloway
+	DESIRE  . . . . . . Pia Zadora
+	DESPAIR . . . . . . Angela Lansbury
+	DELIRIUM  . . . . . Lucille Ball
+	DESTRUCTION . . . . Paul Reubens
+
+... Is there anybody I neglected to stab?

Lucille Ball is deceased.  You'd be better off using Jonathan Winters.
From: 00pebenson@bsu-ucs.uucp (Etrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Killing Joke (help needed)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:36:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr14.133657.6340

In article <1992Apr08.231442.69690@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, clk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES LAYFIELD KEMMERER) writes:
> My friend recently gave me some of his comics and among them was a copy of
> Batman:The Killing Joke.  The problem is that I don't know how to tell if its
> a first printing or not.  It has red printing on the cover if that helps.
> Please e-mail me with any responses.

I'm pretty sure that the first print had blue printing, not red.


sorry

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From: djh4535@sigma.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: questions
Keywords: alpha/x
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:27:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

i like alpha but i miss issues after the dream queen and sorceror series
(i hated them) but they seem to be back on trak so i need to be updated.
what happened to gobin and it's (was g a boy or girl) sister ,laura?
what of the purple girl,(lavender lass or what ever?
what about mannikin?
i personally think that alpha was underrated for a long time then got bad but is
now stugglllling to reclaim it's past goodness
where are the other members of omega flight.

			from d.j.loki seth I
			i'm not knowlegdable but i like'em
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: question
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:01:47 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr14., wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes:
> Long time Cerebus fans may think this a dumb question, but how does the big
> C disappear at the start of Mothers and Daughters #4?  Also, is he able to
> fly or what?

I guess it'd be safe to say that Cerebus disappeared because he Wasn't Supposed
To Die Yet, but that'd be sort of skirting the major issue...  ;)

The over-all impression I get is that Po had some-or-all-thing to do with it;
Cerebus DOES carry some sort of inherent magikal clout, however, even if he's
not able to utilise it... Karma? I figure will have been all part of the same
thing. Let's call it, "Synchronicity." 

I'VE been wondering if this sort of apex situation might be responsible for the
case of Doppelgangrene going around. "Let's Say" that Cerebus is in the midst
of making rather multi-verse shaking decisions right now... his action in
melmoth epil. certainly was, character-wise... NOW, that action is having vast
repercussions on the political situation, it obviously is on the magikal
situation... why not on the spacio-temporal situation? You'll note that as
Cerebus "Dusappeared," so also did the Magikal Sperm in the river, and the two
Womb-Coins lost their spark and fell back to the much. Why? Obviously, Cerebus
still has a few more Flying Lessons to guide him-self through, both by
mastering motion in the "Not-The-Seventh-Sphere" AND in sleuthing out Po's
identity... if OUR surmisal a la Po is correct, he should be very surprised
indeed... ah, cthat wacky chakra 6. The opening of the third eye can be a bit
of a rug-puller-outer-from-underer...

rez
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid #4: Submerged in Horror
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:01:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Apr12.225739.1@fnalb.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalb.fnal.gov (I Elmo) writes:
> 
> 	The disturbing subtext I get from _Mermaid_ and pretty much every other
> Disney film is this:
> 	Everyone falls in love forever at sixteen.  Love lasts forever.  Once
> you're in love, your life will be perfect.

Not quite.  Usually there's some great evil afoot.  Our heroes must then
confront him/her/it, and nuke it out of existence (falling from cliffs is
a favorite way of disposing of Disney villains).

What a positive view oh life, eh kids?
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			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		   Disclaimer:  You're not dealing with AT&T.
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:55:39 GMT

rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:
>  "Leap for my Love (or) Spring is in the Air", AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #whatever.
>Featured Peter Parker, the Toad, Frog-Man, the Spectacular Spider-Kid, the
>Black Cat, and some of the funniest Spider-material I have ever read. Simply
>dumb, simply silly, simply entertaining. And I wasn't even a PAD groupie (or
>a net.reader, for that matter) at the time.

	Peter David wrote this???  Wow...it's so strange to see now the writers
of some of the comics I read "back then"...I remember reading my brother's
copy of this and thinking it was one of the wackiest stories I'd ever read.
(That is, if this is the one where Toad, Spider-Kid and Frog-Man decide to
become the Misfits...)

	On the other hand, if Peter David wrote Merc #1...Blah!!!  You can't
win 'em all.  That was what I told myself NOT to do in comics....
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From: leung@rose.cs.odu.edu (Michael K Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: New Universe Opinions
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:18:34 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA

In article <1992Apr5.151923.5726@acsu.buffalo.edu> jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault) writes:
>In article <167BC13BED.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>> 
>>I was disappointed by the Quasar issue, though.  It wasn't what I was expecting
>> 
>
>So was I.  The reason though, was that it was a Quasar issue and it was
>written in Quasar style.  The members of D.P.7 were just there, lacking
>most of the characterization that made their series so special.  And
>in a one issue guest shot, you really can't do much character development
>that was the heart and sole of D.P.7 .
>
>In short, Quasar was the focus of the issue, and not D.P.7 and thats why
>I felt disapointed.
>
>I will remark that I think that Mark Gruenwald does his best work when
>he's not limited with what he can do with the characters.  His
>Squadron Supreme and D.P.7 ( and to a lesser degree, Quasar ) are much more
>interesting than his Captain America.  His Capatain America has
>been pretty much stagnant for the past 50 issues now.
>
>
>							Jim

 
I have only read one of the DP7 issue, and can't remeber what
number it`s.  You might be right about that DP7 is not being 
the center in this issue. However, I personally think that 
issue is great. 

First, the Quasar-New Universe is a great adventure.  Secondly,
it introduces the DP7 to people like me who just began reading 
marvel/dc comics last year.  

There couldn't possibly has any character developments of the DP7,
but the issue makes the DP7 very interesting.
I definitely want to see more about them, and welcome any further
discussion or comments about the DP7 in this newsgroup.

bye
--Mike
From: pburke@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Peter Burke, MIC, 608-263-7744)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Swamp Thing
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:17:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Any Swamp Thing readers out there?  I'm a fan beginning a popular 
culture study of other ST readers.  I'd be interested in getting 
responses from either present or former Swampy readers.  What have you 
liked or disliked about ST?  Please send responses to my EMail address 
above.
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:35:28 GMT
Reply-To: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center


In article <1992Apr14.030331.10794@wpi.WPI.EDU>, cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU
(Christopher W Buteau) writes:
|> 
|> 	 Actually her schizophrenia or Multiple personalities is gone now.
|> 
|>  But she would make an excellent addition to my White Queen theories.  When 
|>  Rogue used to use her power to knock out people she absorbs thier
powers and 
|>  psyche.  However when this happens sometimes the person she touched has a
|>  more dominant psyche and takes over Rogue's body. Then we have the
dangling 
|>  plotline of the White Queen. 
|> 	 The White Queen could wherever she is hiding her psyche in a
|>  weakened state persuade rogue to absorb her.  When she enters she could
|>  easily wrest control from rogue and start destroying the X-Men.  And
as far as the energy blast recorded hitting Jean Grey ....Rogue/White
Queen could absorb
|>  anyone to do that energy beam...be it Mikail or anyone else
|> 
|>  Thoughts??????
|> 
|>  -Later
|> -- 

Where has it been said that the more dominant psyche takes over Rogue's body
when touched? The only psyche that has "taken over" Rogue's body was Carole
Danvers'. The reason this would happen would be because Rogue absorbed too
much of Danvers, thus causing Rogue to confuse her memories with
Carole's. Also,
Rogue would "let" the Danvers psyche "take over" when she had something 
traumatic happen to her.

Come on people, Rogue has touched Mephisto, Loki, Wolverine, and a number of
other people whose will is WAY stronger than hers. Their "psyche" has never
taken over.
					Tony
From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:28:56 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:

> The character that is leaving Excalibur would be Nightcrawler who will be
> founding a new hero group in Europe called Europa.  Anyone know if this is
> going to be a new book, or just be doing guest appearances in Excalibur?

This is Marvel.  Do you have to ask?

=-)


                                      - Sasha



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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: Professor X (X-Men Cards)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:26:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.205019.14253@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr6.220659.17742@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA
>(Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>|> If you read the inside of the discarded wrapper, it defines what
>Mental Level 6
>|> and Mental Level 7 are -- effectively, Level 6 is "multiple powerful psionic
>|> abilities".  Level 5 is "One single powerful psionic ability or a number of 
>|> weak psionic abilities" -- Storm is classified as a Level 5.  Level 7 is
>|> near-infinite mental power.  She kicked Chuck's butt in X-Men #136, as I
>|> recall.
>
>Sorry Jim, but the Prof' kicked Jean's (Phoenix's) butt in X-Men #136. Remeber
>Scott was talking Phoenix down when Charlie came out and attacked her. He beat
>her and put psionic locks (or whatever they called it) on her right before
>the Shi'ar beamed the X-Men up to their ship to rid the universe of Phoenix.
>I have to agree with the original post that Professor X should be rated higher
>than Jean Grey and maybe the same level of Phoenix.
>
>Now that I think about it, Dark Phoenix has been shown to be way more powerful
>that Rachel ever has... Charlie should be above the Rachel-Phoenix and the
>same level as Dark Phoenix.
>					Tony
>

That may be true but remember that Dark Phoenix was both a telekinetic
_and_ a telepath.  Phoenix may have more raw power but the Prof has the
_skill_.  Skill is why a wrestler going against a untrained strongman would
probably win.  Also, in that issue a small part of Jean's personality was
probably fighting back against attacking the Prof and you know what they
say about "a house divided against itself".


Will get a .sig anyday now
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: X-Force and The New Mutants
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.161941.16456@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
>DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

>> - Exactly when did Doug enrol at Xavier's? In the issue "Slumber Party" it
>> was revealed to him that he was a mutant, yet only Warlock was introduced at
>> the end of the issue to Xavier.
>
>I think it's safe to assume that Doug was "enrolled" shortly thereafter.
>It's quite probable that Xavier already knows Doug, and the kids wanted to
>get the "meet our new alien friend" bit out of the way first.  After Charles
>finished his historic handshake with Warlock, Illyana probably thrust Doug
>forward and said, "Oh, yeah---Doug's joining, too."

Professor X definitely already knew Doug.  I believe that he hinted to
Kitty Pryde that Doug *might* be a mutant.  (This was when Doug was invited
to enter the Massachussets Academy.

[...]

>>BTW anyone else miss Claremont's multiple storylines like I do?
>
>Never thought I'd say this, but...yeah, I think I do.

Definitely.  No one (in marvel) could spin a web like Claremont.  Made his
stories gain another dimension, when compared to the convoluted mess that
occured when he left.

>>I hope to see both characters back; Simonson did her
>>damndest to kill them both off, she even answered the requests for Doug's
>>resurrection with the tacky storyline in the 4th(?) annual with Doug's "soul"
>
>>finally letting go.
>
>Hey, I *liked* "Tribute the (damn, was it First or Second?)".  PAD does
>Doug Ramsey.  Made my day.

I liked the tribute stories, too.  They were definite the best stories in
the annuals they appeared in.



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From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:47:10 GMT

js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith) writes:

>When Alan Moore first began writing he did a comic strip
>called Maxwell the Magic Cat (BTW does anybody know where I can get the
>compilation of those strips they did?).

That was one very weird strip.  My collections were published by Acme
Press, P.O. Box 617, London SW4 0HU.  Perhaps they still have some
available.
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  hundred?  Then why fret about living so many years only, instead of more?''
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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 21:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.101759.2577@vax1.umkc.edu> bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Are the comics based on the "Wildcard" series any good?  HOw many issues were
>ever published?  I've seen the graphic novel in the store, but it had plastic
>sealing it up.  
>
The comics are good, but not great. The story is good, but a _large_ amount
of thes story is taken up by flashbacks that are in the books, in order
to introduce the characters.
> Also,  does it really matter the order to read the books in after number 1?  I
>can't find number two, and I was thinking of skipping to number 3 and waiting
>to read #2 later.  Will this mess up the time flow?
>

The series is written in blocks. The first three are a block (only barely
including the first), the second four are a block (but the fifth can be skipped
without missing too much), and 7-11 (11 is not out yet) are a relatively
tight block.

The blocks are loosely structured, though, so you can probably skip
books and not miss much. In answer to your question, I'd say you
could skip 2, but you won't understand why the plot takes place,
(I'm being careful to avoid spoilers), without picking it up
from the context.

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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:23:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.lis.703387422
Organization: Brandeis University

Unless a good split can be worked out <VERY> soon, we may as well
shelve this until the fall.  Or discuss it over the summer while
things are quiet and vote in the fall.  Because I don't think there'll
be enough people here over the summer to sustain a vote.  

I think the genre division is far better than the company split.  
However, if we just peel off the superhero from all the other
discussion, I think that would make the traffic managable.  I don't
know that further splits would be necessary (although I wouldn't
complain if a rec.arts.comics.mutants was created for the X-fen)  
I don't think there's enough readers in individual horror/sf/other
genres to justify each of those genres getting their own groups.
Likewise, I don't know that creators and misc need to be separated.  

Maybe we should hold a poll asking whether or not people support a
genre split, and what genre groups should be created.  


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why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.