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From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Emacs backspace
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:09:01 GMT
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer) writes:


>I want to use Emacs on my TT, but the emacs I have gives help if I
>press the backspace key. I would like it to delete a character  (as it
>does in most editors). How can I do this?

You must insert the following line in the Emacs startup-file:

(global-set-key "\C-h" 'backward-delete-char-untabify)

I did this a few days ago, too :-)

On UniX-systems the startup-file is called .emacs, I don't now the
name on the TT (perhaps emacs.rc?). This only works for the Emacs, not
the MicroEmacs.

-- 
           Harald Schoenfeld            |            I'm sorry Dave,       
   (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)   |      I'm afraid I can't do that.
From: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Problems with Sun-3 Shoebox Hard Disk Proj
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:52:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: castlerock.east.sun.com

In article 93Jan21125856@cubitus.laas.fr, ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
>I am trying to interface the shoebox from a Sun-3 workstation to my
>Mega 4 ST.  Unfortunately, I do *not* have any docs on the Sun-3
>shoebox. 
>
>I am using an AdSCSI host adaptor and I have both ICDBOOT 6.0.2 and
>6.0.3.  ICD sees the controller and reports:
>
>	0  EMULEX MD21/52    ESDI
>
>The drive is a Micropolis 1325.  When I power up the shoebox LED 3 of
>the Emulex controller blinks.  What's the significance? 

 Well... the 1325 is an ST506 drive, not ESDI. You would need an Adaptec

ACB4000 SCSI -> ST506 controller. The green LED on the MD21 blinks when

operations are normal and it is connected to an active SCSI port. So,

either get a ST506 controller or an ESDI drive and you'll be all set!

	-Hans
From: ts@uni-paderborn.de (Thomas Schulze)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Is there a GCC 2.3.3 binary around?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:30:55 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: runge.uni-paderborn.de

Yes, there is. I just uploaded the archiv bmgcc233p1.zoo
to a.a. It contains gcc.ttp, gcc-cc1.ttp and gcc-cpp.ttp,
version 2.3.3, atari patchlevel 1. The binaries were
generated with the help of my cross-compilation setup,
used flags were -mbaserel and -mpcrel and the used lib
is MiNTLib PL26.

Expect it to pop up in Mint/gcc in a few days.

Cheers, Thomas.
-- 
___________________________________________________
Thomas Schulze, [TfS]    "355/113 -- Not the famous
ts@uni-paderborn.de    irrational number PI, but an
                            incredible simulation!"
~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: ilepore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Lepore)
Subject: Re: GEM Execution Problem
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 06:29:10 GMT

> running a GEM program from within a GEM program, to time it.
 
 Leaving aside for a moment the fact that timings of event-driven programs
in a cooperative multitaksing environment aren't likely to be very accurate...
 
 The main thing you need to do is Dsetdrv() and Dsetpath() before the 
Pexec(), so that the drive/path of the program you're about to run is the
drive/path of the program itself.  That'll let the program find its RSC file.

 Be sure to make the screen look more or less like the desktop does: make
sure the mouse is on, and starts out as a BEE shape, make sure your menu
bar (if any) is off.  Make sure you aren't holding any wind_update() 
semaphors.  Do an appl_exit() last thing before the Pexec() call, and 
an appl_init() first thing after it returns.  Right after the appl_init()
do wind_new() and wind_set(0, WF_NEWDESK, NULL, NULL).  I think that's 
everything you need to do before and after.  (Except shel_write() calls,
which I'm waiting for Atari to bless, more on that later.)
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: SM 124 Size adjustment
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:59:55 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <2914@targon.UUCP>, marc@targon.UUCP (Marc Dierikx) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.053324.18188@trl.oz.au> tpearson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Trevor Pearson) writes:
>
>Better be careful in adjusting the horizontal size. Increasing
>the horizontal size requires increasing the ~14kV voltage. Your
>monitor may not like that.



100% wrong, a increase of the EHT will reduce the size of the sceen..!!!


>Marc Dierikx                           smog  |  bricks  
>marc@targon.UUCP                   AIR  --  mud  --  FIRE
>dierikx.via@sni.de               soda water  |  tequila
>dierikx.via@sni-usa.com                    WATER


Lack of screen size is because Atari decided that the ST was only going to be
used on a TV, the boarders are far to big, but the mono mode does not run on a
TV, but that is why Atari is just a dumb company...


Roger..................           sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: GENERIC Synth Patch Editor Code (1/2)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:10:05 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:

>Okay, I pulled this down and had a play with it (I've got a
>Yamaha TX 81z) and here are my first thoughts. 
>1 - It's very pretty, nicely programmed... reminds me in a way
>    of the Midi Manager page from Cubase but with a few more
>    dedicated features like envelope displays.
>2 - The price is listed in the docs as 29 uk pounds, or quite
>    a bit more in the states... I think 50 dollars plus about
>    20 dollars airmail as it's a UK company. This means this
>    is more a demo than PD (Quite a lot is disabled) but the
>    actual software is pretty cheap (other generic editors go
>    for 1-200 uk pounds, from what I've seen... anyone know
>    better?)
>3 - It _doesn't_ say whether you could program your own editor
>    modules if you bought the software, or if you'd need to buy
>    them as well... Does the original poster know?

No you can't at the moment. This is a VERY non-trivial task. Coupled with
this, the programmer involved has been working on it for over a year
now. He needs to make a living, so this is how he intends to recoup his
time.

>4 - The load up time stinks. I'm running TOS 1.4 off a Sysquest
>    Hard drive and this thing took _one_and_a_quarter_minutes_
>    to load (I timed it...) which is way slower than anything
>    else I've seen. If the DA version (included in the full 
>    package) takes this long to load, I'd never use it... this
>    (to my mind) is the biggest problem. 

It takes roughly that time off a floppy drive as well. I didn't realise
it took that time off a hard drive as well. I'll ask the author about it.
I don't know how long the DA version takes to load on boot up, but certainly
when I used it on subsequent runs, it pops up instantaneously, ready to go !

Any further feedback, gratefully received.

Additionally, apologies to everyone who has to use modems to download news,
or who has to pay for it. This was a long posting and I was unaware of the
existance of the binaries group. Sorry for the time wasted.

Cheers,

Danny
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: MiNT 0.99s
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:45:18 GMT


I'm getting more and more impressed.

It hasn't crashed yet, although TOSwin still seems to have some
difficulties with sometimes trashing the desktop.

It's even looking like 0.99 is "Warp 9 friendly."  I've got Warp 9
running, have done sundry work, logged into the local BBS using
Stalker, checked mail using Uniterm in the same session, and nary a
bomblet!  (For factoid of the day, it's the infamous NCAUG BBS that
Eric Rosenquist, author of Stalker has tended to frequent; the BBS has
unfortunately moved from the old telephone numbers that are probably
in peoples' copies of the STalker manual :-))

Just as a random question: Were things done with MiNT to specifically
make it more compatible with Warp 9, or is this just a fortuitous
improvement?

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: What is user activity?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:43:26 GMT

In article <4054@isgtec.isgtec.com> ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.104933.4746@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>>   This means that (assuming you use the ikbdsys vector to detect mouse
>> movement and keyboard presses in your screen saver):
>>     (1) In your ikbdsys routine you must check whether there really is a byte
>> from the IKBD, otherwise the screen saver will not work with MIDI activity is
>> taking place.
>
>This is definitely true, all screen savers I've used (even Atari's
>MACCEL3) do not work properly with a MIDI device turned on. It thinks
>the MIDI clock info or whatever is coming in is keypresses or mouse
>movements, and the screen never blanks. This is annoying.

I am pleased to hear that I was right.  BTW, I am currently working on a
screen saver myself which has some handy features.
        1) Works in all graphics modes possible (in theory)
        2) Uses sliding block type screen saver when memory is low and jiggles
the blocks back into place when finished.
        3) If the machine is busy (eg. you are compiling something in Lattice
C5.5, then the screen saver will not lock up the computer.  Instead it blanks
the screen and lets the machine multi-task until it becomes idle, when it
unblanks and goes back into normal screen saver mode.
        4) Is unaffected by programs that steal the ikbdsys vector or MIDI
input.
        5) Comes with a corner clock that switches off while the screen saver
is active.
        6) Configurable via CPX.

I'm not telling how I do no. 3 because it's rather clever (although
probably easy in multi-tos) and I want my screen saver to be the only one
worth having.

I will post my disassembly of the IKbd handling by TOS once I have copied onto
the unix machines here.

- Leo
From: Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Using PC-relative addressing with TSRs
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:14:30 +0100
Reply-To: p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet!Vincent_Partington@nextjk.wlink.nl
Distribution: world
X-FSC-PID: LED 1.00

In a message of <Sat 23 Jan 93 05:47>, Conan Ford (2:281/202.0) writes:

 CF> I was writing a TSR and couldn't figure out exactly why it was
 CF> bombing. Is it okay to use the PC in a VBL?

Of course. PC-relative addressing ALWAYS works, but if those BVL routines
are just started from within a normal program that gets relocated, not from
the bootsector or something, you don't HAVE to use PC-relative addressing.

But you cannot use any system calls from within the VBL and you should save
all registers that you use before your routine and restore them afterwards.

Ta!
    Vincent

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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Coexisting hard drives
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:03:43 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Switches for HD's can be inside the casing.  Or outside.  They can
be DIP switches, or jumpers.  (Usually consisting of a metal clip,
encased in plastic, which plugs onto the protruding pins.)

If you can't see them, there's a pretty good chance you'll have to
get out the Screw-driver & look at the drive unit itself!


 =============================================================================
 | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
 =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================
From: craig.dunn@almac.co.uk (Craig Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: 386-486 MOTHERBOARDS..
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: craig.dunn@almac.co.uk (Craig Dunn)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

And once again my inquisitive mind gets the better of me and I am forced
to seek advice.

I have heard news that Atari - or some other developer - is developing a
couple of boards for their Falcon that will emulate a PC perfectly.  Are
these rumours true or false?  What of the cost?

If these rumours are true then it may be the saving grace for Atari.
PC's are going to be around for years to come.  Getting out a machine
that will be completely compatible makes good business sense.

Craig
                   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: ST & Falcon HD compatibility
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:38:24 GMT

In article <A56369@K.maus.de> Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel) writes:
>a>I have a SCSI hard drive connected to an ST via an ICD host adapter.
>a>It is all nicely partitioned.
>a>
>a>When I buy my Falcon, will I be able to plug the drive into the SCSI-2
>a>port and read all the software on these partitions?  I assume so.
>
>Yes. Follow the steps below:
>
>- Remove the auto-booting ICD driver from the drive.

So hard-boot software is built in to TOS on the Falcon?
  I assume it is Atari's own, in which case, doesn't it handle partitions
past the 4th one differently than the ICD software (Atari's original software
only supported 4 partitions, but 3rd parties brought out software that
supported more.  When Atari brought out their new software, instead of adding
details of the extra partitions after the first 4, the bunged them at the
beggining of the 4th partition, making them incompatable).
  Also, does Atari's software support full caching, removable media, etc. like
the ICD software?  If not, have ICD updated their software to support the
SCSI-2 port?

>- Throw out the host adapter

Probably better to try to sell it.

>- Enable parity checking on the drive

So the SCSI-2 port does parity checking and all host adaptors don't.  Are
there some hard-drives that use parity checking with no way of switching it
off (In which case, can it be disabled on the SCSI-2 port)?  Otherwise,
does this mean you can now use ANY SCSI hard-drive?

>- Set up SCSI cable and termination as necessary.

Can you be more specific (although people could ask what to do in a PC
newsgroup I suppose).

>That's all.

Do you know whether the SCSI-2 port supports clock speed doubling (I know
it doesn't support 16-bit width).
  It was initially suggested that the old DMA port was available as part of
the SCSI-2 port - do you know whether this is true?  There don't seem to be
enough wires, so perhaps it is software switchable (or emulatable).

- Leo
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: un*x-like mail/uucp/etc for MiNT (was: Re: Mail utili
	<C11ut3.3uo@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
	<1993Jan19.161634.13241@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:12:12 EST

In <1993Jan19.161634.13241@informatik.uni-bremen.de>, Juergen Lock writes:
> 2. elm 2.3.something (mail reader).  nice but a little big (ps says
> ~450K), so if you still want to write a simpler one like `mail'...
> but note it would only need the mail reader part because smail is
> already there.

Could someone _please_ send an ST binary of elm to atari.archive.umich.edu
or some other archive site?  Please?

Has anyone tried porting rn to the ST w/UUCP?
-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: GDOS & WordUp printing on TT
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:56:16 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Keywords: GDOS, wordup, TT

> Has anyone here successfully printed from WordUp on a TT using the GDOS mode?
> 
> I have installed my WordUp copy on my TT but it doesn't want to print with
> GDOS.  It works fine on my ST.  The problems comes to something like "printer
> driver isn't there or out of memory.  It shouldn't have happened since I
> installed the whole thing with the the original disks.  Yes, I loaded devices
> 1-9 in the assign.sys file.  Also, there's plenty of memory available.
> 
> Clarence

Unfortunately NO. There was much discussion last year on GEnie about this.
WordUp does not print with TT's or SST equipped STs. I do not remember anyone
saying whether or not it worked with any of Jim Allens 68030 accelerators.
Dave Small started looking into it, but stopped due to the accident that
nearly killed his child.

My only solution has been to connect my printer to my ST and print there.
It does have the advantage of not tying up the TT while printing.

Sorry for the bad news. I'll send Dave Small a message tonight and try
and find out if he is still working on this problem. Atari, who purchased
the source of WordUp, is not planning on releasing an upgrade. Rumor has
it WordUp is the base of their new word processor.


Brian, WS1S (ST/TT User/Developer)
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
From: feil@prl.philips.nl (Hans Feil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: (Internal) Hard Disk for 1040ST info wanted.
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:07:13 GMT
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands


I have still a bare (1986) 1040ST with 1Mb RAM and no hard disk.

I'm considering to buy a Hard Disk and wonders if I have to
buy such an extra case (Megafile) or if there exist 
drives that can be build in ???

Who has any experience? (or opinion)


Hans Feil
Philips Research Labs
Eindhoven
The Netherlands.
feil@prl.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: sjg@phlim.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Subject: MiNT distribution kit stuff
Keywords: MiNT
Organization: Kings College London Image Processing Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:26:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: phlem.ph.kcl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

More updates for the MDK. Disk1.zoo has been changed yet again. This
time though the changes are more for useability than bugfixes. The
INSTALL program will now happily cope with more than one .sys file on
the same floppy, so you can easily install more than one update at a
time.

The latest version of the GNU shellutils is also available in Updates\
with a few new utilities in there.

I haven't been able to log into a.a.u.e to upload this, but it is 
available for anon. ftp from phlim.ph.kcl.ac.uk and will be uploaded
to a.a.u.e as soon as I can actually log on. (I've been trying all
day...)

I'm still sticking to the original MiNT 0.95p13 binaries that have 
been available from Eric for some time now. There'll be a later
patch with all the 'b' utilities for sharable text stuff as soon as
there is a public version of MiNT that supports it.

Simon.

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/        - finger sjg@137.73.4.24 for info on the MiNT distrib kit -           \
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From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: DESPERATE!!! *** NEED Prizm Paint Picture Format (.PNT)!! ***
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:30:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu


I Need the file format for conversion and creation of prizm pain pictures.
 Can anyone send me specs on this?

Thanks a lot!


Stuart Denman
stusoft@u.washington.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: cron for MiNT
Summary: is it available?
Keywords: cron MiNT crontab
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:19:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


some months ago, someone mentioned they were finishing a port of
paul vixie's cron package for use under MiNT. as a result, i stopped
my own port. is this available somewhere (and where) and if not, will
it be sometime soon (ie a month or so)?

thanx

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com

-- 
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Cookie jar directory?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:32:02 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

This is an idea of a friend of mine (Uli Kaiser), which I'm posting
for him...

What about putting all the cookies into a special directory under
MiNT, say U:\COOKIE?
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Minix on MiNT?
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

I thought that you could onlyuse the minix file system with minix? Is this
not so, a question to the net suggested that it was no the case.

If this is so, what has a minix file system got over the standard system?

Thanks

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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: What is user activity?
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:25:37 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1993Jan19.104933.4746@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>   This means that (assuming you use the ikbdsys vector to detect mouse
> movement and keyboard presses in your screen saver):
>     (1) In your ikbdsys routine you must check whether there really is a byte
> from the IKBD, otherwise the screen saver will not work with MIDI activity is
> taking place.

This is definitely true, all screen savers I've used (even Atari's
MACCEL3) do not work properly with a MIDI device turned on. It thinks
the MIDI clock info or whatever is coming in is keypresses or mouse
movements, and the screen never blanks. This is annoying.

--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman