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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:40:08 EST
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Iron Maiden More Live Stuff

Iron Maiden are going to release yet another live album from the Fear of
the Key tour.  Its due for release on May 23th.  Hopefully it won't
contain much stuff from their worst album "No Prayer for the Dead."
And it will prolly contain some blastphemous Eddie picture draw by
that psuedo-artist.

Why do I post this?  Cause Iron Maiden have a tendency to play songs
better live than on their feeble studio stuff.  And if this album
sucks, Iron Maiden will have been truly lost to the realm of poserdom!
(And bad song writing)

--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
Suaron
From: roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Rivet Head)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ***HELP!!!***
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:19:38 GMT
Organization: California State University, Sacramento

In article <4fMpwuW00iV305Z0t9@andrew.cmu.edu> Kuei-Che Cheng <kc3c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I am new to this group and I am very excited!!!
>I need help in getting lyrics from a group that I truly admire, I thinks
>they are one of the best HEAVY METAL group of all times. They are as
>good as Black Sabbath. Bon Jovi and their recent album "Keep the Faith"
>is a true classic.  I need the lyrics of "keep the faith".  
>By the way does anyone know their tour dates?
>
>
>Christopher C.
>
>John Bon Jovi RULES!!!!!


I'm generally tolerant of people and their opinions, musical tastes,
etc, but your comments seem very foolish and ignorant.

You have a right to your opinions, but from your comments it's obvious
that you don't really know what you're talking about.  I advise you to
re-evaluate what heavy metal is before making such misguided comments
about heavy metal and Black Sabbath again in the future.


Note to others: I realize that this article might have been posted by
someone else under this user's name as a prank.  But aside from this
slight possibility, I think it's necessary to set this guy straight.


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From: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk (Neil)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Tipper Gore
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:59:29 GMT
Organization: "Industrial EcoDeath Corp"

Ingoring for the minute that "Tipper" is a UK slang term for a dump truck :)

If it true what I hear that the new Vice first lady is a campaigner against
metal bands because that put "subliminal messages" on their records?

  Neil
Organization: Junior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:12:14 -0500 
From: Kenichiro Tanaka <kt12+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Steve Vai
	<C142wu.E6o@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa

On 19-Jan-93 in Re: Steve Vai                
user the man @uxa.cso.uiuc.ed writes:

>Flexable is absolutely horrible compared to Passion and Warefare.  This is a
>CD EVERYONE should have!  It is awesome.  Seriously, if you don't hacve
>Passion and Warfeare, get it, and you will never listen to Flexable again.

I think a lot of people would disagree.  I actually think PaW is pretty
bad as an album--it has some awesome songs but there is a lot of stuff
that's just embarassing to listen to.  Most people obviously aren't as
polarized as you and I obviously, so the point is, both albums have
their merits.  I just think Flex-able is much more honest and better
musically.

Flex-able Leftovers is even weirder than Flex-able.  Very cool.


Ken
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: amendment
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:15:55 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Obviously, some of the bands in my previous post are not metal at all
(e.g. Kansas, Floyd, King Crimson, etc.), but some of their material
could at least qualify as harder rock.  Eric M.
From: ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott Jefferson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:29:52 GMT
	<dsembr01.727806366@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>YOU JUST NULLIFIED YOUR CREDIBILITY RIGHT THERE, YOU MORONIC RACIST
>SCUM-WAD!  Ever heard of Jimi Hendrix.  Just in case you're not really as up
>on metal music as you thought you were (and apparently you're not!) he was
>black, okay?  You may have heard of Living Colour, also. 

I can't believe some people actually took my post on poseur bands
seriously. I listen to all the bands I mentioned (well not Anthrax or
Morbid Angel but all the rest) and like all of them. Slayer is one of my
favorite bands of all time (I have all their albums, even their live
stuff. When it was asked last semester to give a list of favorite metal
bands they made fourth on my all time list) The whole post was just
meant to be a joke. If one takes Sauron's logic seriously on who is a
poser band then these bands should all be considered posers. All the
bands were selected because these are some of the most resepected and
heaviest metal bands eever. Also he really hates rap [Sauron does] and
black music in general (I've been listening to rap regularly since 1979)
so I couldn't resist getting in a few digs on this score.



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much to me as long as it's dead
I got something to say. I raped your mother today and it doesn't matter
much to me as long as she spread" -- The Misfits
"They're out ta get me. They won't catch me. 'Cause I'm innocent." --
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From: grendel@src4src.linet.org (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ***HELP!!!***
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:14:15 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

In article <4fMpwuW00iV305Z0t9@andrew.cmu.edu> kc3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kuei-Che Cheng) writes:
>I am new to this group and I am very excited!!!
>I need help in getting lyrics from a group that I truly admire, I thinks
>they are one of the best HEAVY METAL group of all times. They are as
>good as Black Sabbath. Bon Jovi and their recent album "Keep the Faith"
>is a true classic.  I need the lyrics of "keep the faith".  
>By the way does anyone know their tour dates?

Looks to me like Kuei-Che left his terminal on when he visited the loo...
 
Either that, or you've forgotten about the wonderful resources available
for your kind in alt.rock-n-roll.hard.
 
--Don



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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Def of Poser (was Re: Here's one for Suaron)
Keywords: poser, you asked for it
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:28:01 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

Ralf.Wirth@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Ralf Wirth) writes:

>Anyone, who copies more than 50% o an article and writes just one 
>sentence under it, is a poser.
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>*                                                                           *
>* Name: Ralf Wirth                                                          *
>* Job : Student of computer science/Wizard of Nightfall (Veltins).          *
>* Login : Henry@Aragorn, Henry@Schrottpollo                                 *
>* E-Mail Address: Ralf.Wirth@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de               *
>* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- *
>* No, I'm not related to him.                                               *
>*****************************************************************************

Anyone who has a .sig longer than their message is a poser.

Jed
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Japan Releases...
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:22:56 GMT

In article <26JAN199308461198@zeus.tamu.edu> dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE) writes:
>I know that this is a vague question and all, but I've always wondered about
>this.  Why is it that so many bands releases what I would term "special
>releases" in Japan only.  I know that some Iron Maiden stuff was different,
>Primus had two extra songs on the Sailing the Seas.. CD, and hell, even
>Metallica released So What on the Metallica CD.  Why???
>
>Dave
In the US, you pay $12-$16.00 for a CD depending on where you buy your discs.
In Japan, they cost at least $20, and double albums go up to $40 or so. If
you're going to sell a disc for $25 or so, you might as well tack on a few
bonus songs to keep people buying domestically.

That's how I see it. Plus, I find that Japan has more loyal fans. Look at
this...Metallica gets shit from this usergroup because of the latest album.
It's only one album, and everyone screams sellout. In Japan, during Tygers Of
Pan Tang's day, WILD CAT was huge, SPELLBOUND and CRAZY NIGHTS were huge, all
of the sudden THE CAGE came out, everyone else writes them off as a sellout
band, in Japan they're still pretty popular, album after album the Def Leppard
Syndrome gets even worse for them, and all around the world the Tygers are
now long forgotten, but say the name in Japan and I'm sure at least half the
headbangers there know who you're talking about. The ones I met knew who they
were.

Praying Mantis I believe also was scratched off play lists after the "Turn The
Tables" EP (for being too wimpy after the pretty heavy "Cheated" double 7")
but in Japan, when Di'anno, Stratton, Bisland, and brothers Troy reformed
Praying Mantis, everyone in the crowd (look at the album sleeve - there's a lot
of people in front of that stage) still remembered who they were, knew TIME
TELLS NO LIES and the "Cheated" dbl-single, etc. It's no wonder Praying Mantis
now only releases albums in Japan and not anywhere else since no one else
seems to remember who they are.

wei hao
Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:10:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <cfM6OOK00awBQ0vGdp@andrew.cmu.edu> ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott Jefferson) writes:
>Morbid Angel -
>	Now you may think these guys are a cool death metal band but I was
>reading in guitar world magazine that Trey Azogthoth's all time favorite
>guitarist was Eddie Van Halen and his all time favorite group was Van
>Halen. He pciked Van Halen I as the greatest metal album ever. Also he


I have the interview.He didn't slam on NAPALM DEATH. No. In fact
take a look on NAPALM DEATH's MENTALLY MURDERED EP. 3 guys(!!!!)
were wearing T-Shirts of Morbid Angel!

>Anthrax-
>	As has been pointed out, Kiss is probably the favorite band of this
>group or at least of Scott Ian (who also listens to rap. Arrrggghhhh!
>Everyone knows black people can't produce good music. We have the word
>of Sauron that rap sucks). This band did a cover of Kiss's Parasite and
>also did a song with Public Enemy. Thus not a real metal band

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Megadeth
>	Definitely a poseur band. Their new album features harmonies and other
>musical ideas which are more suited to a pop metal band than a thrash

I'm not sure if they are POSEURS, but I have never been into MEGADETH.
I know all their stuff, but I like only 3-4 songs of earlier albums.
>Testament
>	Obviously The Ritual is a sellout. One need only listen to The Electric
>Crown to hear the pop metal influences. This band has gone poseur and
>again should not be listened to.

I think THE RITUAL was kinda improvement.At least its as heavy as THE LEGACY!


>Any Seattle band
     Fucking blows.

>Helmet
>	Page Hamilton said in Guitar World that he considers death metal bands
I was pretty surprise that he thinks that H is Death metal.
HELMET sucks IMO too. everyone says that H has good and powerfull riffs.
Bullshit.Riffs suck.It's not even thrash.

>Slayer
>	An obvious poseur band. For one thing they do not like death metal
REIGN IN BLOOD is death metal album.But yeah they did sellout!
From: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: yngwie j. howeveruspellit
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:19:32 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan21.033537.22888@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In article <93020.203055TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>i was just over at a friends house and he was listening to a (blech) genesis
>>>album (i think it was the lamb lies down on broadway) and there was this
>>>guitar solo on there, and i'm like "hey! yngwie does that on one of his
>>>albums!" but i can't remember which one, it's either rising force or
>>>marching out. i think it's marching out. anybody know?
>>>
>>
>>Look Genesis is not a fuckin' metal band.  Questions about anything
>>Genesis does, even if the Great Glenn himself were to play with them
>>does not belong here on this newsgroup.  (Though we all know the Great
>>Glenn would not stoop to such a low).  Now clue up loser, that is if
>>your mind can comprehend such a simple concept.
>>
>Suaron, are you aware of Glenn Danzig's orchestral / soundtrack-type
>album BLACK ARIA? Glenn Danzig even says the album isn't a heavy metal album.
>Actually, he says it's not even a rock album. 

That's OK, Danzig sucks anyways.

>
>wei hao
>Wei Hao Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
>"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
> we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
> control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (lucifuge)
Subject: Dear Newbies (intro to suaron)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:48:22 GMT

Once upon a time there was a group called alt.rock'n'roll.metal. Suaron
joined it and it became alt.flame.war.who.is.a.poser. Some of you may
have noticed this occuring again recently. Therefore I'm taking the time
to introduce you to some facts you may not know about the misspelt one:-

1. Yes it's a (semi) deliberate misspelling. He spelt it wrong on a MUD
once and is too pig-headed to change.

2. Yes he is a (minor) net.god. By default. He aggravates everyone.

3. Yes he really wants to be Glenn Danzigs sex partner. 

4. Yes, he is indeed, a blonde.

5. Yes, he is indeed a poseur (anyone remember this).

6. Yes he has died and been reborn. 

7. He doesn't like hash and cars together.

8. His real name's Timmy. 

He's also pretty ok and enjoys the attention. All from memory no doubt
he'll correct me if I've missed anything unimportant. 

big hugs and kisses suaron! Isn't memory wonderful?

Ollie/Lucifuge....

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:42:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>I am not a total headbanger, and I admit that I only listen to hard rock and
>light heavy metal.  I do agree with you that there are too many pop-metal
>bands out there and I also happend to thing that they suck.  I love Dream
>Theater, who I would hardly call pop-rock, and I knot that they are discussed
>on some of the metal boards.  I also like Yngwie, even though other members
>of this board do not appear to like him.  I thing that Queensrych is a great 
>band even though I have not heard much of their older but heavier music.  
>The only song that I have heard from before Operation: Mindcrime is Queen of
>the Ryche, which I love.  I don't know how you would consider Van Halen, Mr.
>Big, Tesla, or Satriani, but I thing that they are all good groups (or 
>musicians in Satch's case).  I don't know if you have ever heard of Badlands
>or Baton Rouge, but they are also great hard rock bands that really put in 
>a great effort.  I unfortunately bought Def Leppard's Adrenalize CD when it
>just came out, but I agree that it became old after listening to it only a
>few times.  I do however like Warrent's new CD Dog Eat Dog, even though there
>are some songs that I think are too heavy and intentionally made this way to
>better fit into heavy metal or hard rock instead of pop-rock, but who am I to
>say?  I also would like some response an what you have to say to my non 
>total heavy metal attitude.

I really hate Yngwie, although not as much as I hate Satriani.
I quite like Queensryche although I hate the fact that their
vocalist is the generic hard rock vocalist (ie squeaky voice).
Van Halen are a really good hard rock band although their
latest album is appalling. I was one of the few people that
actually liked OU812. I haven't heard much Mr Big. Tesla write
some `nice' songs but should stop trying to be Led Zeppellin
when they write ballads. They also have the generic hard rock
vocallist. I liked Def Leppard when I was 13. I hate Warrant.

Jed
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: csg189@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Paranoid !!!)
Subject: Re: Dio and Black Sabbath (what's going on??)
Keywords: Dio and Ozzy
Organization: Coventry University, Coventry, U.K
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:31:20 GMT

Oh Dear, this Dio and Ozzy thing is getting a bit much. Lets get some things
right. I like Ozzy osbourne as he is the most original singer that I have
come across. I used to listen to pop music a lot but decided to change
since this type of music kept repeating itself ... which resulted in
boredom. Ozzy Osbourne's 'No Rest For The Wicked' was the first album I
bought and this hooked me into the world of metal. Dio, on the other hand,
is also a very original singer and this can be seen from his solo albums
such as 'Dream Evil' and 'Lock Up The Wovles'. These albums are very well
done and I keep seeing myself listening to them over and over again.

My conclusion is that, both Ozzy and Dio are really good and they have
done a lot for the heavy metal world.

					- Rav.

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From: trooper@hale.cts.com (Glen)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:10:36 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.

> listened to. Throw away all your old Iron Maiden albums.
> 

your an idiot. do you think i'm gonna throw out all my tapes
just because some dumbshit racist says to
anyone who has gnr lyrics in there comment has got to be a poser


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From: behs@stein.u.washington.edu (Jon Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Sanctuary (Nevermore?) News
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:16:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: dl35@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (David  Lin)
Subject: Re: Quest for Peace
Reply-To: dl35@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (David  Lin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:15:32 GMT

In article <93022.224904TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <MfLuj_y00WBM09utx8@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Adam Nimpfer
><jn2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>>
>>This silly bickering about posers has got to end.  I am calling for
>>peace on this bboaard.  This nation is entering a new era of peace and
>>posterity and r&r metal should reflect that.  Please, can't we all just
>>get along?????  Suaron, as president of r&r metal, you must do
>>something......Please, do it for the children.
>
>                                                              Peace
>
>Well if it isn't the old poser preacher...I thought I dested you a
>long long time ago.  Anyways METAL ISN'T ABOUT PEACE!!!!!  Its about
>chaos and anarchy and thats I indend to spread until this newsgroup
>is purged of all psuedo-musicans and posers!!!   In this new era
>victory shall triumph, especially if the sap doesn't start running
>from the maple tree.
>
>And as for the children, fuck 'em, they have to learn sometime!!!
>
>--dress up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive
>Suaron
>

Just a thought: "Suaron," your initials are TJK.  It's obvious that Suaron is not your real name.  Now...who's posing?

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: whats metal (Re: Here's one for Suaron)
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:45:47 GMT

In article <93022.011654TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.111006.25678@nntp.hut.fi>, m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti

>
>No, its not rock'n'roll!!!!!   It METAL!!!!  And we don't use Jesus in
>this fucking newsgroup!   Its Satan, Lucifer, or Glenn!!!!!  You fuckin'
>poser!
>
You are way out of line. 

Heavy metal is not just Satan or whatever other names this character goes by.
Glenn Danzig is not the epitome of metal. (He's good, but I wouldn't consider
	a representative heavy metal artist).
True, this is heavy metal not rock'n'roll, but heavy metal derives heavily
	from rock'n'roll, so much that usually it's classified as rock music.

Don't tell me songs like Maiden's "Revelations" or anything by Tourniquet
aren't heavy metal just because they're Christian and make references to God.

Besides, most of the metal I listen to tend towards Lovecraft or Michael
	Moorcock, so in that case, it's not really "Satan, Lucifer (aren't
	they the same being?), or Glenn" but Chutulu (sp?), Elric or Fire 
	Clown. At least it is down in the depths of obscurity.

wei hao
Wei Hao Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
 we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
 control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."