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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:14:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 724124873@morpheus, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:

[simple request for data to substantiate the oft-repeated and
yet-unproven "burdensome cost to society of caring for unhelmeted
head-injured motorcyclists" deleted]

>Come on Ed, if you don't belive lies or damned lies, then you are not going
>to believe statistics either, especially if your intuition differs.

I'll not comment on your amazing power to devine what I will or will
not believe, get on with the discussion at hand.

You advocate and support restrictive legislation, based on some
mythical cost which has never, as far as I can tell, been documented.
Your only response to a request for such data (indeed, a simple
expression for the desire that such data actually exist before the law
based on is passed), is, "you won't believe it anyway, so proof is not
necessary."

Tell me, do you consider this sound, logical reasoning?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: a few questions from a wanna-be owner.
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:49:17 GMT

Hey, i was wondering if i could get a few general questions answered.

1. Why aren't swing forks more popular? are they unstable? or just
unconventional/too radical?

2. a good cc range to 'start out' with would be?? (commute/Bay area freeways)

3. where do i look for a 'training' type of place, to learn starter stuff
about cycles? (what are they called?)

4. what does a motorcycle license test entail?

5. I haven't seen a bike yet with fuel injection, what wrong with FI?

6. the best motorcycle book/magazine to read is: ______
(maybe somewhere to answer these questions!)

7. when buying a used bike, i should look for problems in the: ____?

Thanks!!
(oh.. if there is a FAQ, just point me to that!()



-- 
Timothy Wilson <wilsont@rahul.net>
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: moto-insurance
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:45:14 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	My experience has shown that half the price of your auto
	insurance is a good measure...

			Ryan
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I've got a smelly helmet.
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> feasable to buy a helmet for every different woman you date.  (Heh,
-> heh, a woman can often tell I'm serious about her when I buy her her
-> own helmet. :-)  (Hey, what's it mean if she buys her own?  Hmmm...)


 A matched pair of CBRs in the garage?

=======================================================================
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
=======================================================================
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: First ride in rain almost first dropped bike, too
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:54:00 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec10.210038.20690@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>So instead I took my RSS instructor's advice:
>I pushed down firmly on the rear brake to make sure it stayed locked,
>stared straight ahead into the distance and kept the front going dead
>forward while squeezing gradually harder on the front brake.
[...]
>I spent a second or so of abject terror as the bike tried to high-
>side even given the low off-angle of the rear wheel. I just relaxed
>the ole muscles and prayed, and sure enough the bike steadied itself
>all on its own. Then I began mentally kicking myself in the butt for
>handling it all so damned well up until the last stupid instant. But
>at least I didn't go down.

Which raises an interesting question (for me, anyway).  Is the only 
"officially sanctioned" course of action in the event of a rear-wheel
lockup to come to a full and complete stop, and then start all over 
again?  (This hasn't been an issue for me so far, as I've only locked the
rear when I wanted a full and complete stop faster than the bike wanted.)

What happens if you lock the rear wheel in circumstances under which a
full and complete stop isn't such a good idea (e.g., number 3 lane of 280 
southbound at 6:00pm in the dark)?



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  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.150820.10663@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
|
|No problem.  Next time I'll save the effort and not post potentially
|useful information that might save some rice-jockey's life...
|
|- Roid

Well, I wasn't going to mention it, but since RoidHole decided to be
derogatory about it (gee, I had thought he was just being nice in telling
about the RR recall, but I guess not), in that case I might as well say
that his Roidship also posted a bunch of recalls on that paragon of
quality, Harley Davidson (you know, those cheese burner things?) on
that other, spinoff, marque-limited motorcycle newsgroup.

Those guys even have their own DoD wannabe numbers over there, now.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
From: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Toronto Motorcycle Show
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:10:56 GMT
Reply-To: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 25916@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>This article was restricted to the planet earth, and I'd like to see you
>sysadmins see that it gets done. 

(various geographic restrictions deleted)

>Actually, Charlie, If Lake Erie freezes, you may just be close enough to 
>make a day trip possible.
>
>Since the word got out anyway, I may as well invite all of you to our 
>kitchen for some homebrew and concentrate of coffee before the show, 
>and anyone crazy enough to show up will be welcome. Secrets? The the only 
>secret that they have is the ability to get me to go every year, despite 
>the fact that I usually walk out of there thinking that it was expensive and 
>a damn waste of time. Maybe I just get a thrill out of trying on a bunch of
>helmets...

So now that we know the details of refreshments to be provided, got any more details on the show?  Magnatude? Cost? Date and time?  You never know, Lake Ontario might freeze too, and it seems you`ve invited thousands of NewsReaders to your kitchen.

>
>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada



---
--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com
Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
 is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:46:22 GMT

Hmmmmmm.

You don't list the first one I'd heard.
Someone told me a little while back that it was Denny's or Die,
a touring group which makes a blood oath never to eat anywhere
except Denny's during tours.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jurkat)
Subject: Octane?
Keywords: octane gasoline 
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:46:12 EST

Hi, I'm confused on what octane gasoline to get for my 1981 Honda
CB750 Custom.  How does this affect the idle speed?  Is there
a difference in accelleration?  How about gas milage (vs. price)?
Also should I be using leaded gas instead?  What octane?
I can still get leaded gas at my local gas station and it costs
about what the mid-range unleaded octane costs.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

p.s Does it also affect ignition timing?  

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tjr2g@Virginia.EDU ("!!! Cosmic Charlie")
Subject: Restoring a '68 Superhawk 305 (honda)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:10:19 GMT

Hello- my name is Timothy Richter and I am a 20 year old
student at the University of Virginia.  I was given, yes given
a 1968 Honda Superhawk 305cc.. I had already put together a 305
scrambler and this is my latest challenge.  Anyway...I am
looking for parts.  Anyone who might have these or know of
leads can email me personally at either:
tjr2g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
or
028521462@ucis.vill.edu
I live in Massachusetts and am willing to travel for what I
want.
the list:
plastic tank badges (non warped)
speedo/tach with opposing needle swing
side covers
metal tank covers (no dents)
original n.o.s rubber parts (kick start rubber, peg rubber etc)
brake levers
cables (tach/brake/throttle) for straight bars

I also would like to hear from anyone with a similar bike
correspondances to:
Timothy Richter
1612 Stadium Rd #7
Charlottesville, VA 22903
From: tjohnson@anyway.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Sport Bikes
Keywords: Spam
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, Bedford MA

Ladies, Gentlemen, Saab Drivers who piss Dick off;

	I've been on the road for quite some time and upon my return saw 
some discussions pertaining to fascinating subjects like Sport Bikes. I
rendered my own opinion and then my curiousity got the best of me. Plus
I really wanted to know. So I looked up the word Sport in the dictionary. 
Here is what it said....

   "To shoot out as liquid through a pipe; projecting tube or pipe for 
    pouring liquid. A tube or pipe for leading off rain from a roof."

	This evidence has drastically altered my opinion of exactly what is 
a sportbike. Previous to my enlightenment I believed that a material object
is not classifiable as a "sport" anything; but rather the function for which
it is used can be classified as such. Now I have yet to meet anyone who uses 
thier motorcycle for shooting liquid through a pipe, or to get rain off of
a roof. I feel that all off you said "sportbike" owners have been victimized.
Your bikes are worthless, and your actions are shameful. In the future I do
hope you'll learn to become better consumers. Another example of the Japenese
taking advantage of the American people. First the Chia Pet, now this.

Sincerely;

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol, I Have A New Mail Address"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:38:33 GMT

In <4363@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>In article <1630@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>>	 Pardon me, perhaps I am missing the point, but why hit the kill
>>switch in a bad situation. 

>Has anybody ever had something Bad(tm) happen because they *didn't* hit
>the kill switch when they went down?  I didn't hit mine in my only low-side,
>but the bike stalled anyway, so it didn't matter.

  Last weekend we went riding in the snow. I washed out the front end
and planted myself solidly in a small drift. My hand somehow got jammed
in the throttle or something, anyway, the IT was pegged wide open in
4th. I was just about to try to push the bike off me to free myself when
I remembered all the ice studs now whipping past my right leg which was
trapped somewhere back there and had the presence of mind to stay still
and press the kill switch with my left hand.  Had I tried to move
there's a good chance I would have had a Down (feathers) explosion
followed by some blood. Love the kill switch.


__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous








Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: tell me about motorcycle in USA
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:33:30 GMT

g9b116@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Norio Suhara) writes:
: Please let me know about
: 1, How much dose it cost to buy a new 400cc or 750cc motorcycle
:    or used one in CA?

	How much? Anywhere from $500 dollars to $8000. As you probably
already know there are many different bikes available....your question is
just a weee bit to vague. 

: 2, How much are tax and insurance?

	Tax? Hmmmm...in LA my guess would be about 8%. Insurance...forget
it. I wouldn't know where to begin. 


: 3, Is there any rental motorcycle shop?
: 
	I am sure there are. There is one in San Diego that even rents
Bimota's. Any rental plance will charge a lot of money. 


 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was:Helmets)
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Guy on the radio said it best the other day.  Six months old
-> babies are designed to stay where you put them, they are not
-> designed to be mobile.

 I liked Swift's Modest Proposal better.
From: tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tom rides an odd bike!
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:35:24 GMT
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army RDE Center

In article <1992Dec16.132731.418@otago.ac.nz> helpdesk@otago.ac.nz writes:
>>                 tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
>>                             Loud Pipes Suck
>
>Pardon me, but I think you've got it wrong.
>
>Carbs suck,
>Pipes blow!

Actually, a well-designed header will "suck"! The design of the pipe is such
that the exhaust flow from one cylinder creates a vacuum timed such that it
helps to suck the combustion products out of another when that cylinder's
exhaust valve opens.

Needless to say, this doesn't work very will on straight-piped harleys. And it
really only works well within a particular rpm band (generally; long, small
diameter pipes give low rpm grunt, short, large diameter pipes give high rpm
power).

Oh, and if this didn't linewrap right, it's the newsreader's fault, not mine:-}
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> So long as it is you that pays the extra $10,000 per year to cover
-> the potential health risk you incur by riding without a helmet.
-> Damned if I se why I or anyone else should pay it for you.

 Yeah?  Where do you get your insurance, anyway?

 The policies I own are all capped.  They'll pay up to X thousand
dollars, and then that's it, no matter if a curb leaps up and smacks me,
I trip over a shoelace, or fall in the bathtub.

 The state?  The state, at least where I live, doesn't consider itself
obliged to pay medical bills for the destitute.  Your insurance runs
out, tough shit.  You don't have insurance?  Tough shit.

 Who's liable for all this "potential health risk?"  The Tooth Fairy?

=======================================================================
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
=======================================================================
                                                                   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Federal extortion nets helmet law!
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:57:03 GMT

>        How's this for you.  Iowa, that bastion (or something spelled
>similar to that) of liberty, has no helmet law.  The Federal Government,
>not to take such things lightly, has decided that Iowa must pass a
>helmet law or lose several million in highway funds.  Didn't this net
>us a 55mph speed limit, a 21 drinking age, and all sorts of other
>bullshit not too long ago?

    If I remember right, the constitution says something about the
congress shall establish and maintain a federal highway system. I
don't remember anything about "only in states that pass laws that
are mandated by the congress but they have no authority to pass
themselves." Why doesn't some "letter of the law" cop start busting
politicians on the RICO act? You'd have to hunt a long time to find
another organisation more into racketeering and corruption.



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


*************************************************************
    " As long as there is a vote or lead,charcoal,sulfer,
     and saltpeter, men have a chance to be free."
                  Wolf Who Runs Alone With the Wind, 1992
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From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:21:34 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1gtpggINN4c2@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
->In article <1703@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry
->Powell) writes:
->>In article <1gti98INN39q@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
->(Kent D. Polk) writes: >>>
->>->The traffic from S.A. to Austin is often quite a bit faster than that
->>north
->>->of Austin. Can you say 'AutoBahn'? Try riding from S.A. to Austin on a
>
->Decided I might mention the circumstances behind the current driving
->practices here in the S.A area. About two years ago the S.A. chief of police
->was getting so many complaints about REAL crimes that police were basically
->pulled off of traffic patrol. Traffic on the loops inside the city now
->run at
->65-70 mph min. most of the time, with blatant speeders running 85mph plus on
->Loop 410 pretty much every time I ride there except rush hour. Average
->trailing distances are about 10 feet at these speeds now. It's absolutely
->insane.
>
Yup...10 feet at 65-70 is insane.  I would not ride my bike on a daily
basis under these conditions.  I would get an 'urban vehicle'.  Maybe a
large buick or caddy, beat to shit with huge steel bumpers.  Back to my
original complaint about the radar.   Screwing around with it under these
conditions seems really insane.   

->>Flame away moto man.
->
->Hey, you backed out too quick. I was just getting started.
>
Sorry... lets see.  You ride a rice rocket to make up for your undersize
penis.  You ride a Harley to make up for your undersized penis.  Your
mother wears combat boots.

Terry






Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bade@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Sportbike Reccomendation
Originator: bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin TX             


In article <4NU9KPF@netmbx.netmbx.de>, fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
> In article <BzB2qF.1F8y@austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
> >
> >In article <5EU9K7B@netmbx.netmbx.de>, fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
> >> 
> >> The smallest 1000 bike I know is the FZR1000. My girlfriend is 1.64 meter
> >> and gets both feets on the ground.
> >She has more than 2 feet :-).......
> 
> Ok,ok, forgive me, my english grammer is far from being perfect.
Actually its better than mine :-)........
> 
> -Axel
> -- 
> fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
-- 
Regards,

        Steve
	   "A good programmer, as a function of what he does,
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Former Biker Comment............
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:18:53 GMT

Sunday, around noon, I was driving along San Andreas when what to my
wondering eyes did appear but some bikers coming two abreast down the
road - I made a comment to my nephew that it looked like there was a
bike road run - as the front passed, I realized that it wasn't just
_some_ bikers out riding - it was a whole slew - the line stretched
for several miles (in downtown La Selva Beach, the CHP was there 
waving the bikes through the stop sign)

it was ONE MAGNIFICENT sight ! ! ! ! 

then, to add to my delight, as I was driving back down HWY 1 a little
bit later, I saw the whole contingency coming back up 1, in the right
lane, two abreast (one of the guys was off to the side capturing it all
on tape) - not to exaggerate, but the group looked like there were about
500 bikes, some ridden single, some tandem, a few sidecars, some
decorated for Christmas, some carrying their flags, again

it was ONE MAGNIFICENT sight ! ! ! ! 

I never saw anything about the ride in/on the news, my husband thinks
it was a ride for toys or something, 

whatever the reason for the ride, thanks to all the guys and gals who 
participated in creating such a spectacular....


-- 
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