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From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:57:56 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan02.011338.16546@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.073335.9908@afterlife.ncsc.mil> agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
>>
>>
>^L
>>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
>>was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
>>Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
>>the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
>>                          ^^^^^    
>>kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
>>excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
>>that word is linked to our planet EARTH.
>
>However, the word "earth" is also an english synonym for dirt, which has more
>relation to the word "unearthed" than the name of our planet does. Since Picard
>and Madred were speaking english (or whatever it's called in the 24th century)
>it was an entirely appropriate word to use.
>
>
>-- 
>"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

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Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
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In article <1993Jan02.011338.16546@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.073335.9908@afterlife.ncsc.mil> agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
>>
>>
>^L
>>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
>>was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
>>Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
>>the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
>>                          ^^^^^    
>>kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
>>excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
>>that word is linked to our planet EARTH.
>
>However, the word "earth" is also an english synonym for dirt, which has more
>relation to the word "unearthed" than the name of our planet does. Since Picard
>and Madred were speaking english (or whatever it's called in the 24th century)
>it was an entirely appropriate word to use.
>
>
>-- 
>"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

True "earth" is a synonym for dirt, but that is because it was derived from
the name of our planet. As I said in a previous post, would make sense to
say that some artifact was "unearthed" on Mars?   

Arthur
agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil

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From: straz@minerva.sybase.com (John Strassner)
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Subject: CoC Part II synopsis
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:56:53 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc. (OLTP-RDBMS)

Could someone please mail me the synopsis for Chain of Command part II? I didn't
get it, and unfortunately missed the episode.

Thanks!
John Strassner
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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Re: CoC Book or Sh
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:46:53 GMT
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Apparently the similarity of titles is just a coincidence (I
hope nobody went out and bought the book CHAINS OF COMMAND
in the belief it was a novelization of the episode).  There
have been several TNG episodes with the same or similar titles
as Pocket Trek books with entirely different stories; for
example the novel SURVIVORS by Jean Lorrah (about Tasha Yar)
and the episode "The Survivors" (about the old couple who
are the last survivors of an alien attack).

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 03:49:18 GMT


> 2) It's unrealistic for command of the Federation flagship to be given to
>    someone who has never held a regular command of his own.  More likely,
>    command would be given to an experienced Captain, and Riker would be
>    offered the captaincy of a smaller ship.

Just out of curiousity, how many people out their have noticed that in many
respects Riker is *ALREADY* in command of the Enterprise?  If you think about
it, Picard basically lets Riker run the ship now.  He only comes out of his
office to make high level judgements, and acts a lot like an Admiral on the
deck of the Enterprise.  As long as Riker has good command judgement, he
should be able to take over the Enterprise easily (...in a few episodes, he
has done this when Picard was missing :-)).

I haven't seen the Picard & Riker command sharing topic come up before, and I
think it has something to add to these discussions.  Think about how Picard
and Riker divide command up on the Enterprise.  Riker has a lot of power and
command responsibility right now!  Maybe this adds some meat to why Riker
wouldn't want to leave the Enterprise.  He is having a great time now, and
Picard will retire eventually...

Tim
tucker@smsc.sony.com
From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:52:35 GMT
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix

In article <1992Dec28.114328.537@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.221859.18112@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec26.210829.1154@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>>In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
>>>He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge. 
>> 
>> Thats because, he was field promoted to first officer.  They didnt
>> come right out and say it, but he was wearing the red uniform, and
>> he also had the increased rank on his collar.
>
>Take a closer look and you can see he was still at Lieutenant Commander only.
>

I am almost positive in at least one scene he had the higher rank.  However
contrary to what he had on his collar, he was in fact asumming the fisrt
officer position on the ship.

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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: RIKER: What a Class A Jerk
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:08:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

I could not believe what I was seeing the writers do to poor Riker.  He was
nothing short of an insubordinate jerk in this episode.  Consider these
points:

* Riker asks to form some kind of rescue mission.  Jellico says he
understands how Riker feels, but says "No."  Riker is not pleased. 
Rememeber back to CAPTAIN Riker answering "No" to the same request when Bev
wanted to get Locutus of Borg (Picard) from the Borg ship.  

* Jellico cannot admit that Picard was acting under the guise of the
Federation (that would be an act of war).  Covert operations are usually
run this way.  Riker cannot accept this answer and pushes for Jellico to
admit that the Federation DID condone it.  Where Riker's brain was is a big
question here.  His military judgement is highly suspect.  This is the same
Riker who was willing to destroy the Borg ship and Picard with it in Best
of Both Worlds ("Mr. Worf...Fire!).  

I don't know WHAT they were thinking, but the writers were really
shortchanging Riker here.  

And, after all of it, Jellico was 100% right about everything he did. 
Every guess was correct.  How he handled the Cardassians was correct.

Thoughts?

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From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
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Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <Bzxt23.L31@world.std.com> tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:
>Spoilers ahead - Summary: A+

>The four lights was a brilliant device. (No pun intended). In one simple
>visual metaphor, it encapsulated the whole struggle going on.

It was hardly original, though. As soon as I heard David Warner ask
"How many lights do you see?" I knew *exactly* how the course of
the torture would go. It was lifted almost whole cloth from a movie on
wartime torture whose name escapes me. [I keep coming up with "Bridge
on the River Kwai, but that was a sweatbox. Perhaps it was "The Manturian
Candidate" but I don't think so] 

In any case, that whole method of breaking a man by forcing him to 
admit to something that is obviously false and trivial in nature
has been used before, right down to this exact plot device.

- Jack

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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:26:40 GMT

Graham Toal (gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <cboerm48.724870926@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
: :If she's not a military crew member, why does she have a rank? Why can she
: :command the ship? 
: 
: Same reason that chaplains and schoolteachers do in army bases abroad: to
: formalise their position in the social hierarchy.

  Chaplains and Doctors *ARE* commissioned officers.  Schoolteachers are NOT.
  Chaplians and Doctors hold military rank.  Schoolteachers hold a federal
  civil 'GS' grade.

  Chaplains/Doctors wear uniforms which schoolteachers do not.

  However, their 'profesional' title is listed first:

  eg:  Doctor(Captain) Jones;  Chaplain(Major) Smith.
  

  Chaplains wear 'duty uniforms' without the clerical collar (British chaplains
  wear clerical collars with their uniform).  Doctors on duty in a medical
  clinic or hospital wear the 'surgeons' coat over their uniform.  

  In a military organization, the Chaplain, along with the JAG (Judge Advocate)
  and the IG (Inspector General) are members of the Commander's Personal Staff.
  The Doctor (Surgeon) is a member of the Special Staff.  



-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first. 

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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.172858.16000@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.165329.15926@en.ecn.purdue.edu> rupley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Rupley) writes:
^L
^L
>
>
>>
>>    This is ONE interpretation of what they meant. Certainly there is
>>ambiguitity to it. Another interpretation is that their friends refers
>>to Picards team. I also find it unlikely that wishing to see their friends
>>again would refer to the Cardassians since Capt. J was currently negotiating
>>with them (ie he would be currently seeing them, not wanting too). I think
>>most likely there were just speaking they way they did on the off chance
>>that the Card's had broken their transmission codes. 
>>  I guess we'll just have to wait another week (or so) to find out who's
>>right. Although corruption would certainly explain why they sent Picard
>>in the first place (as someone else pointed out, you dont send famous
>>people on commandoe raids) , I dont see much real evidence for it here.
>>
>
>Again, in the engineering section which you mentioned, he ordered the 
>changes which would take 48 hours to complete with ALL engineering
>personnel on duty. Time to the Cardassians was 51 hours. This left only
>three hours for the crew to rest. This may be a bad decision in that
>if the Enterprise were to run into trouble, the engineering crew would
>not be able to act as quickly.
>
If as some have proposed Jellico is a Cardasian spy, could then, the
reason for shuffling the crew and keeping them at a nearly sleepless
level be that he is trying to keep the crew at a level where they are not
working at their most efficient. We know that Riker can command the
E-prise and often diplomats have been brought on-board. Maybe the
knowledge that Riker can control the E-prise is why Jellico wants to keep
him down.
Or maybe I'm just really paranoid having seen a repeat of Conspiricy from
season 1

That's all till Pt II
Greg

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From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: RIKER: And another thing...
Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:14:13 GMT
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In article <athos-241292001347@kip2-14.apple.com>, athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> And another point:
SPOILERS


























> 
> * When the Cardassians said "We have knowledge that 3 people were sent to
> infiltrate our..blah...blah...blah...We have captured Picard."  Riker
> blurts out "Is he alive?" 
> 
> What kind of STUPID person (let alone a Lt. Commander) would do this?  For
> one thing, THEY COULD BE BLUFFING.  If they WERE bluffing, Riker would have
> just confirmed what they wanted to know.
> 
> What a moron.


Speaking of Morons, use spoiler warnings next time, please.


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From: kentk@Kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG (Kent Kimmel)
Subject: HELP TNG & DSN in Pittsburgh
Organization: D. Briank Kimmel - home system
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:46:35 GMT

HELP!!!

I'm heading to Pittsburgh for the hollidays and I don't remember what day,
time or channel TNG is on.  The premier (Sp?) of DSN is also scheduled to
be on while I'm there.

Would someone please email the days, times and channel where I can find the
shows (wow, the Star Trek SHOWS).

With thanks in advance
Kent   kentk@kimbro.seaslug.ORG


-- 
Kent R. Kimmel ******** kentk@kimbro.seaslug.ORG ********* Seattle, WA
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lies in learning to throw oneself at the ground, and miss."
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:32:38 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <4644@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>Crusher and Troi are not line officers and can never hold such a position.
>Data out-ranks Geordi.

As Chief Engineer, Geordi may not be a line officer either. In
the US Navy, he wouldn't be.  Given how many times Scotty had
command of the Enterprise in TOS, though, I think Star Fleet's
regulations are different.
From: honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CoC was CHEAP
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 20:56:25 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but my major impression 
from CoC was that there was a huge dearth of new opticals which made the 
whole thing seem like it was a minor project com
(oops) to the DS9 project (which I guess it was).  We got to see the 
Excelsior/Hood veer away from the Enterprise for the millionth time, and 
the Cardassian fleet being conveniently stowed in a nebula from which it 
was never shown to emerge was gimmicky at best.  Two-parters on TNG have 
traditionally been (it seems to me) as all-outers in terms of budget, 
guest star interest (Nimoy, Crosby).  This one's only unique feature was 
the DS9 tie-in.

Also, the "land mines" didn't make much sense to me, either.  And I did 
not appreciate the redress of the 20th century navy buoys which they've 
already used as transporter test objects and other things (I might be 
wrong on this).  They don't really have the right shape or structure to 
be something which would latch itself to a ship or make a sizeable 
explosion.  Yet again, the episode was unbalanced because of a hurried 
ending, most especially because Picard was instantly back to his old 
sparkly, happy-go-lucky self within minutes.  (I was underwhelmed by the 
ending scene with Troi, to say the least.)

David

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From: sandoval@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:20:14 GMT

In article <BzrC1r.4nE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> What is interesting is just how few people seem to have any answer to  
> the question being asked (it just so happens, however, that of the  
> people with answers, these people and I reached the same answer).  It's  
> not a difficult question for those that can see what the goal of Troi's  
> usual attire really is.
> -- 
> -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
> -- NeXTmail welcome

   Well, I've been reading this thread for quite some time, and it's been in
my head quite a bit.  So, I'm finally going to put my 2 cents in.

   First, I won't try to deny that it is VERY likely (or certain) that Troi
wears her "cleavage" outfits to help boost the ratings.  That's pretty obvious
from a "ratings" point-of-view.

   But let's go a bit further with this.

   The show is supposed to be set in the 24th Century.  I hope, (and I'm sure
I'm not the only one) that by the time the 24th Century comes around, people
won't be looked at for their physical attributes.  Maybe, to the crew of the E,
seeing Troi's clevage isn't a big deal.  Maybe they have learned to look beyond
the outward appearances.  

   And, to link to another thread, how are we ever going to change peoples
attitudes without showing them that they stereotypes are wrong?  Some people
want a female CO of the E, to show that women can do the job.  Others say that
society isn't ready for that.  Well, times have to change.  Would the there
be as many objections about Troi's cleavage if she was a strong female 
character, like many people want to see?  Or do most people think it's not
possible for a woman to be beautiful and strong?  I know for a fact that it's
possible, but it seems that there are too many people who don't think that's
true.

   Well, I've rambled on enough for now.  I'd like to hear what others have to
say about this.  This Troi thread and the female CO thread are a lot more 
similar than most people think...

   John


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:14:16 GMT

In <725632671.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman) writes:
>On 12/25/92, Michael Rawdon was heard to say regarding "Female CO for the E:" 
>  MR> If Star Trek gets to the point where it is driven by the need to "set
>  MR> examples", I probably *will* stop watching.  REAL LIFE leaders are the
>  MR> ones we need to set examples.  This is fiction.

>      Then what do you think about many of the themes pertinent to today's 
>society that runs through TNG?  Such as:

>Angel One:  Women's rights
>Half a Life:  Ageism
>The Outcast:  Homophobia

>      Those are just a blatant couple off the top of my head--there are more,
>no doubt.  Guess you won't be catching TNG any more....

Three episodes does not a whole series make.  (In fact, those episodes make up
LESS THAN THREE PERCENT of TNG's total tun.)

However, is it coincidence that of those episodes the only one which is worth
watching, IMO, is "Half A Life", which hardly "set an example"?

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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