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From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 100MHZ 486 in Taiwan?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:37:17 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anaphora.engin.umich.edu

In article <1k1ob1INNlle@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> akula@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kuo Han Chang) writes:
>I saw some interesting stuff in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games which claimed that
>Taiwan already developed 100 and 80 MHZ 486dx-2 computers. Can anybody 
>confirm on this ?
>
>Kuo

	I will be very interested to know about this.  Although I know
that IBM have already showed a 99MHZ 486dx-2 machine at the last 
CES.  Actually it was a processor speed trippling technology; i.e.,
33Mhz * 3.  But there was no market for it.  

	As far as Taiwan developing the 100 and 80 Mhz 486 dx-2.  Well
I would not be surprised since the present processor technology does 
allow the chip to operate at the speed (although the chip makers don't
recommend it because it generates too much heat) But it is possible.
The other problem is mother board.  The present mother board 
technologies in most PCs does not allow operating speed above say ~50Mhz.
But who knows.  Maybe Taiwan developed a new technology that allows the
Motherboard to operate at higher speeds.  

	Maybe Sinces it is a 486-dx2, the mother board still operates at
below 50MHz.  

	I will be very interested to know if Taiwanese manufactures put
those machines on the market.

- C. H. Yang

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17501 soc.rights.human:4974
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Don Quixote vs The Windmill (Re: KMT(Kuo-Ming-Tung or Nationalist))
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:09:32 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

[O dear, another Taiwan article cross-posting to soc.rights.human.
 Bien-Chao, you are abusing your human rights of free speech. :-) 
 Also, do you, Bien-Chao, actually know what a totalitarian regime is? 
 Please tell us your definition. Thanks.]

mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:

(1) Military newspapers

> Even today, every unit in military has to subscribe KMT military newspapers.
> And this is paid by tax payers' money. These newspapers are indeed subsidized
> by our money.

Of course _military_ units will have to subscribe to _military_ newspapers
because thats what these newspapers are for. What's wrong with that? 

And the military is supposed to get support from tax payers' money, isn't it? 

Also, mind you, the military units also subscribe to many other civilian 
newspapers and magazines.  (Because if they didn't, they would have a 
small-scale mutiny to play with. :-)

(2) Capital Daily

> The KMT monopolized the news media for 40 years.  During this period, they
> sucked up all the resources, built up huge distribution networks, 
> accumulated an enormous amount of database, expertise and manpowers.   
> 
> Yes, the ban was lifted after 40 years.   But, don't tell me it is a fair
> game today.  One of the major reasons which brought the Capital Daily into
> bankruptcy was that the KMT United News threatened those news stands that
> if they keep selling newspapers for the Capital Daily, the United Daily
> will revoke their dealerships.

The Capital Daily (CD) folded because of lack of readership. If a reader
really liked CD, s/he would have it home delivered everyday.  Don't tell 
me those paper girls/boys were corrupted also. 

Since few want to read CD, CD collapsed. Blaming its mis-fortunate 
on news stands and KMT sounds a little bit bizarre.  Don't you think.

(3) TV and radio

> And remember, the ban on TV and radio stations is still there.  The 
> KMT(Kuo-Ming-Tung or Nationalist) party is still a totalitarian regime 
> which has a strict control over what the people of Taiwan should watch 
> and listen to.  And you cannot deny that.

TV and radio stations are mainly for entertainment purposes. The
_audience_ determine what _they_ want to watch or listen (which,
incidentally, accounts for a lot of the low-graded/low-class shows in
Taiwan).

If you believe people's political attitude will change after watching
those stupid variety shows, you are very naive.

(4) Comments

If you really care about Taiwan, Biao-Chao, you should spend some more
time thinking about Taiwan's future. Attacking a non-existence
"totalitarian regime" makes you look like Don Quixote.  
I am not kidding.

Finally, I may be wrong, but I think KMT is spelled Kuo-Ming-Tang (Tang
instead of Tung). 

I am not picking on your spelling, I am a bad speller myself, this is
just for the record... etc, etc, okay?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:41:12 GMT

In article <liqiang.727637766@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>
>OK, who wrote the following?
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Hmmm, I think "made in China" means worse quality.........................
>.......................................... be prepared to be embarrassed to
>death for products made in China.
> 
>-- Chien-Chung Chen
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>Why did you pick soly on merchandise made in the mainland instead of
>that made in Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Mexico, etc ? (or, rather,
>why did you have to pick on anyone at all to justify Taiwan
>producing its own class of merchandise?) Isn't this
>an insult to the mainlanders (at least the hardworking mainland
>laborers and business people)? Or did you think your remarks were
>supposed to deter the authoritarian CCP gvnmnt? Maybe there is a
>good will behind your comments that I, as a mainlander, don't see.
>
>- Li, Qiang
>

Sigh! You deleted too much and quoted too little from my posting. This
Mr. RAJA apparently is related to Chinese. If he is embarrassed with
Taiwan's low-quality products (which I think he shouldn't), why didn't
he see Maindand China's products? (Other countries are not related to
Chinese, and therefore should not be under my discussion.) On the
immediate following paragraph I said people should not feel ashamed of
their country's low-quality products because it has nothing to do with
morality. It's just that the market needs such products so we provide
them. I really don't understand why you and Mr. RAJA consider exporting
low-quality products as a shame? What I criticized is Mr. RAJA's attitude
toward making low-quality products. If you restore the part of my comments
that you deliberately deleted, you'll see what I mean.

And this quality of products has nothing to do with whether the
government is totalitarian or democratic one. I've bought so many
"made in USA" products that I'm very disappointed at, and yet US
is a democratic country. And how come I can deter CCP government by
telling people that it's not a shame to make low-quality products?

Shouldn't I have good will, I would not have tried to say that it's
not a shame to be poor, or that making low-quality products is not a
shame. When I said this, I meant neither Mainlanders nor Taiwanese
should feel embarrassed anymore for their low-quality products.

Do you still feel embarrassed for China's low-quality products, Mr. Li?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: leus@aix.rpi.edu (Sheua-Wan Leu)
Subject: ftp sites in Taiwan
Keywords: ftp, taiwan
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:24:05 GMT

Hi there,
	I heard that taiwan is expending so soon. I can not image if I can 
reach all around the world through networks. Does anyone know the detail
list about ftp sites in Taiwan?
	Any information about my home country is appreciated.

Sheua-wan Leu @ Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:04:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.151851.12473@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>	Well, yes, I think he deserves credits in changing the
>	political environment in Taiwan. But, I also feel that
>	he has also became a roadblock in contining to move
>	forward. He is the main reason in slowing political reform
>	in his own party and hence the reform in government (his
>	stand on presidential election certainly has my agreement).
>	I think he has to be put on pressure to improve further.

I think Lee wants to reform but the pressure inside KMT has slowed down
the pace. Direct president election is one example. Another example may
be recognizing Mongolia as an independent country. He's achieved some
reforms like the modification of Constitution, purging old lifetime
delegates etc.

Rejection of the 2nd land reform is one of the things I feel negative
about Lee. But I can understand that he did so in order not to irritate
most of the people who have a piece or pieces of land before the election,
be it smart or not.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:11:49 GMT

In article <16B5C14E62.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.021614.10526@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
>joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>
>>Who has time to play guessing games with you? As can be easily seen from
>>your postings, you are not a decent person wanting to have a sincere
>>discussion on SCT. All you want is just to flame Taiwanese with ridiculous
>>argument. I see no need to spend more time talking to you.
>>
>>Who cares the pointless criticism from a person with poor personality?
>>I have better things to do.
>>
>>-- Chien-Chung Chen
> 
>Just what kind of a decent man are you to throw every single punch you
>can, every single punch you know how, to those
>two billions brothers and sisters in the mainland?  Why don't you apologize
>to mainlanders for making those attacks that they don't deserve?  See, people
>like you can only make yourself feel better by comparing yourself to the
>mainlanders.  Now that I am not a mainlander, you can only keep your mouth in
>your ass.  You just did.

Once in a while, there come some mainlanders throwing flame bombs in SCT.
Sometimes they criticize the outer appearance of Taiwanese, sometimes the
weak physical strength of Taiwanese, sometimes Taiwan's "3-minute umbrella
industry" etc. They just want to flame Taiwanese without reasonable argument,
and some of them do not attach signature. When you came to SCT to flame,
I thought you were another Mainlander flame bug. Yeah, my mistake.

However, in my response to your posting, I've taken caution not to hurt
the other Mainlanders. I didn't say Mainlanders are poor in personality.
I didn't say it's a shame for Mainlanders to manufacture low-quality
products. I didn't say Mainlanders can't walk straight. I only criticized
Chinese government for not respecting Chinese civilians' human right,
which I don't think is a flame to all Mainlanders. While I don't throw
a single punch at Mainlanders, why should I apologize to them?

And it's you who throw every single punch you can at Taiwanese. Why don't
you apologize to all 20 million brothers and sisters in Taiwanese? (BTW,
there are no 2 billion people in Mainland China. You got it wrong again.)

And most important of all, I don't use dirty language like you. Of course,
I'm much more decent than you.

>                                 -- not a mainlander

Thank God. You are not a mainlander!!! Mainlanders' class is much higher
without you. I'm so glad to know the future of Mainlanders and Taiwanese
will be brighter when you are not part of us.

Please! Be any kind of people you want. Just don't say you are a Chinese.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Subject: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:36:10 GMT


Hmmm....  I guess that it has been a long time since I have looked into my own
background.  I was born in Taiwan but have spent most of my life in the US. I
don't have alot of the information that most of the people in this thread are
bring up, but I have read carefully the information that has been presented.

My answer to Raja's post is that does it really make a different what Raja is
saying???  Obviously there are many who love Taiwan and I am one of those. 
Raja's words have no meaning, unless you give it meaning...  Sure, Taiwan had
a bad past, but what country did not???  Let's look into the future, the past
is done and over with.  

And to Raja, I hope that you are not looking for a apology.  It is obvious that
you probably felt that some wrong had been done upon you by a Taiwanese.  If
you are a "normal" person as you say you are.... Let it go....  Taiwanese 
people have a lot of pride in their country and I count myself as one of them.
I don't like the so-called *constructive* criticism that you have been putting
out, but I don't have the facts to try and dispute them... of which I am sorry
about, because I would really like to...  And like most of the people who
responded to this thread, having pride in Taiwan, I felt the need to put my 2
cents in.  But even if I had the information, I don't think that I could 
convince you to change your mind.  I am guessing that you are using SCT to vent
your frustrations and I am sure that this group is willing to help you get 
over your problems with Taiwan but this might be better done through private
email.

I apolgize now for breaking any net rules, but I had to check on the name of 
RAJA and I came up with this---> R. Subramanian.


-- 
Ted Jan                    EMT-A                        | To save a Life in |
tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   ARC & AHA BLS Instructor     | Defeat is to Earn |
University of Illinois     ARC First Aid Instructor     | Victory & Honor...|
Champaign/Urbana           ARC Community CPR Instructor |     -unknown-     |
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17622 alt.culture.indonesia:1037
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Indonesian, Chinese, Raja and a TI supporter :-)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:54:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(1) RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)

(2) mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.
>
>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

Could you, Bien-Chao, please tell us why this story is being posted to 
alt.culture.indonesia? Wanna stir some negative feeling between Native
Indonesian and Chinese Indonesian? No? Then please tell us why. Thanks.

A netter has already revealed RAJA's family name, and that name looks
like RAJA is from a "huge sub-continent country in Southern Asia" instead
of Indonesia. What makes you, Bien-Chao, think RAJA and Indonesian are
somehow related? 

My guess, correct me if I am wrong, is that you want to say something
negative about Chinese. In particular, you want to tell native
Indonesians about your Chinese-Indonesian friend's
Chinese-insulting-attitude (what you want to achieve, I don't know).

Since the story of RAJA is handy, you put these two separate incidents 
together and, BOOM, a new Bad-Chinese story is born.  (Am I imaginative 
or what. :-)

But you forgot, RAJA and your Chinese-Indonesian friend are individuals
act on their own. 

If you judge Chinese-Indonesians based on the behavior of your
friend only, then you are pretty much like RAJA himself/herslef
who dis-like Taiwanese because of a few show-off jerks.

Wait, did I see a pattern here? RAJA, IUNN, RAJA, IUNN, hmmm... :-)
(just kidding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: re those typical taiwanese
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:07:16 GMT

many clues to deduce that the original poster is not chinese (I mean of blood),
nor american citizen.
W. Huang
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:24:01 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
> 
>As one of the more honest Taiwanese describes themselves: "A typical Taiwanese
>has the pocket of the rich(?), but the personality of the poor."  How precise!

I understand your frustration, RAJA, you can not deny the fact that some
Taiwanese ae indeed very rich (in terms of cash), so you can only pick on
their attitude. In English, there is a term to describe your behavior:

	Jealous. (a.k.a. sour grapes)

:-)

ps. Do u mind telling us ur name? Just curious.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu (LT)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:05:58 GMT

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <1993Jan23.061852.24099@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu ( ) writes:
>>The point is that we should kick the pig-skin colored asshole's stinking
>>ass instead of arguing among each other.
>>
>>Xin Nian Kuai Le. It's always very cool to be a Tang Ren.  Don't let those
>>wimpy white trashes tell you otherwise.

>Please take this racist trash off these groups.  We are often victims of
>racism; don't propagate it ourselves.




Hey Dude, That was a response to another posting. Don't take the comment out
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:36:52 GMT

In article <1jln8jINNo05@shelley.u.washington.edu> chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) writes:
>How about let's make suggestions on the saving right here?  Let me start:
>
>1) Get no-annual fee credit cards (but don't abuse them and pay on-time).
>2) Cook at home (almost a must to save money).
>3) Buy from garage-sales.
>4) Don't buy a car, take bus.
>
>Sorry, can't think any more since I myself violate all of these rules.
>

Let me add one more rule:

5) Don't go to the expensive psychologist when you get a mental problem.
   Just drop some flame bombs on SCT and see people scramble. (What an
   entertainment! Isn't it, RAJA?)

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: joy@engin.umich.edu (chien chung chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:09:04 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ob.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan25.212543.26365@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:
>in fact, i didn't like him many years ago.  but, gradually, i found
>he is not disgusting and classless as you said.  especially, after he
>apologized publicly for starting the kongfu action in legislature yuan.
>i think this is something we should admire.

Chu apologized for starting the fight? Oh, I miss that news. I must be
away from Taiwan for too long. :(

Then I admire his courage to apologize. This title of "classless" should
belong to those who still want to fight in parliaments.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: a few comments on Mr. XXX
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:57:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>Well, I will say let's just ignore this **** American guy's postings.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^

If he is an American I take you to dinner.

>                              -- not a mainlander.

Which mainland? American mainland, Chinese mainland, European mainland, or 
African mainland. How about 

-- not a human.

>Observing the exchanges between the netters and RAJA ??, the following
>recommendation is suggested:
> 
>A psychiatrist must be sought for RAJA ?? before it is too late.

It's already too late. He needs a mental hospital for rest of his life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: "wk" <wk04938@worldlink.com>
Subject: Need FAX # For Standard Technologies In Taipei
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:43:11 GMT
X-Mailer: WORLDLink-DOS (3.3)

If anyone in this group is located in Taiwan, could you please send to 
me the FAX number - or Internet email address - for the following 
company in Taipei:

	Standard Technologies
	3 Lane 11, Tzu-chang st.
	Tu-Cheng Ind. District
	Taipei, Hsien, Taiwan

Thank you

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: SSI failure
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:04:03 GMT

In article <C1Iq0M.En7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune) writes:
>
>The only sad thing I see in this is that it makes me feel like
>that the Chinese mind is great for fine tuning existing ideas
>but still not quite able to create new ideas easily.  Since
>both Chen and Wang got their Ph.D.'s from USA, could this lack
>of ability to innovate be some sort of a genetic weakness of
>the Chinese people?
>

Assume we lack innovation, I will say it is because how
we were brought up and educated and not because of gene.
Also I believe if somebody is going to lack innovation,
it is done way before the PH.D. degree.

However, I share your observation of we being good at improving
existing things.  I just don't have enough experience to believe
that we are generally less innovative then other people.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan