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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Moderated alt groups (was Re: news story on U. of Nebraska ...)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 14:25:55 GMT
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
X-Bytes: 1992

In article <1992Mar24.151206.7768@eff.org> kadie@eff.ORG (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>
>[...]
>>>alt.society.cu-digest	Postings about the Computer Underground. (Moderated)
>
>>This newsgroup, as well as alt.comp.acad-freedom.news, is not truly
>>moderated.  It is used for the distribution of a digest; the only people
>>who ever post to these groups are the editors of the respective digests.
>>I suspect that alt.society.ati is one of these as well, but I haven't
>>seen enough of it to know.
>[...]
>
>What difference does it make if the moderater reposts accepted
>articles one at a time under the authors' names or whether the
>moderater reposted accepted articles a batch at a time under the
>moderator's name?

The difference is that no articles are posted to the moderated group
in question EXCEPT those digests of OTHER material posted by the moderator.
alt.comp.acad-freedom.news, for example, carries no traffic except digests
of the traffic in a completely different newsgroup, alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk.

alt.society.cu-digest doesn't carry any traffic other than issues of CuD,
which is an EMAIL-based digest.

Contrast this with comp.sources.misc.  The c.s.m moderator receives postings
TO THAT GROUP, which he reviews and posts.  The newsgroups I mentioned earlier
(a.c.a-f.news, alt.society.cu-digest, and alt.society.ati), on the other hand,
doesn't receive any posts; the only items posted there are selections from
other newsgroups/mailing lists.

Most moderated groups are moderated forums; several, such as cu-digest and
acad-freedom.news, are one-way distributions of previously prepared material
from other newsgroups.

-- 
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        "I was going to rip your head off, but I'm past that now."
From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Mar 92 15:04:56 GMT
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Originator: daemon@eff.org

Newsgroups: info.academic-freedom
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [alt.binaries.pictures.erotica]  Help a victim of feminists |||
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:26:36 GMT


From: UZR50C@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Shana Fliginger)
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
Subject:  Help a victim of feminists |||
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:17:33 GMT

I'm sending a request for help to everybody|
I consider myself a victim of feminists. It's not that I
dislike feminists in general, but this time they have done
something I don't really want to accept.
Following a complaint of some feminist groups, here at the
universiy they have shut down all access to news groups which
contain the word "sex" in their name| With this action they
are trying to stop the spread of pictures that don't fit their
views. I am now unable to access news groups such as
alt.sex.pictures; this group is the only one that has been
left untouched (probably because of its name), but who knows
for how long it will remain within my reach.
It is my opinion that what pictures I want to look at is my
very own business and I don't want to be censored in such a
way.
So here is my plead: I would be most grateful to everybody
who could supply me with some information on how I can get
hold of those "adults only" pictures by other means than the
news groups mentioned| I would greatly appreciate names of
ftp sites, mail addresses of people, mailing lists etc. (both
Internet and Bitnet) and of course some actual pictures|
I must admit that my amount of pictures is still quite tiny
at the moment, but I am certainly willing to share EVERY
picture that I get with EVERYBODY who wants them. Promised|
So thanks a lot to all those of you helping me out of this
"misery"|||
You can reach me via the following addresses:
     Internet:   UZR50C@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de
     Bitnet:     UZR50C@DBNRHRZ1
Xref: sparky alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:1630 comp.admin.policy:746
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.admin.policy]  Re: EMAIL PRIVACY
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 16:10:58 GMT


From: technews@iitmax.iit.edu (Kevin Kadow)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
Subject:  Re: EMAIL PRIVACY
Date: 25 Mar 92 02:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Mar23.170730.9286@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
)n13@krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU (Leonard J. Schmidt) writes:
)
)|	Those who are responsible for the system (such as the Postmaster or
)|the sysadmin, should always have the ABILITY to look at mail.  That is, if you
)|have the proper system privs, it is possible to look at mail.  I would think
)|it unwise from a sysadmin point of view, to restrict yourself in any way from
)|anything on your machine.  If you _have_ to get to something, you should
)|be able to.
)|	As for the "RIGHT" of the sysadmin to look at mail...see below.
)
)I think PEM will eventually solve this problem. Postmasters will not be
)able to look at the "inside of the envelope" no matter how hard they
)try. They should get used to only being able to see headers, because
)regardless of the ethics involved, technically it will be impossible.
)
)Sean
)
)-- 
)                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
)Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
)sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
)U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''

We have a form of this here (xsend,xget,enroll) but to set up a key you need
to run enroll, which asks you for a key... when I execute enroll, I get
the following message:

/usr/spool/secretmail/technews.key :  permission denied.

-- 
           Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well.

technews@iitmax.iit.edu                           kadokev@harpo.iit.edu
                         My Employer Disagrees.
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [alt.sex]  censorship rally
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:26:17 GMT


From: flip@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (felipe campos)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject:  censorship rally
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:49:22 GMT

PRESS RELEASE



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 	ACADEMIC FREEDOM, NO CENSORSHIP
					RALLY & MUSICAL EXTRAVAGANA
					MONDAY, 13 APRIL 1992
					WEST MALL
					UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN
					11:30-1:30
	
CONTACT PERSON:			Pedro Bustos Aguilar
					512.478.2849
In early March 1992, Professor Lee Fontanella, Chairman of the Department of Spanish and Portuguese, "strongly urged" Pedro Bustos Aguilar, Assistant Instructor in Spanish, to remove an AIDS awareness poster prominently displayed in his faculty office.  
The poster depicted two standing nude "black" men kissing while embracing each other.  One individual held the other with his right hand as he simultaneously  caressed his fully erect member enveloped in a condom with his left hand.  The caption read, "Get Carried Away With Condoms."  (See enclosed copy.)
Since then, university officials, professors, and students have publicly addressed the university's role and its limitations in defining issues such as academic freedom, homophobia, censorship and "pornography." 
In an effort to further this debate, a coalition composed of university and community based organizations will sponsor a rally and musical extravaganza on Monday, 13 April 1992, on the West Mall at the University of Texas at Austin from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM.  Musicians, actors, university and community speakers will address the crowd.
The sponsoring groups include:  QUEER NATION, ACT UP, MOVIMIENTO ESTUDIANTIL CHICANO/A DE ATZLAN, PALESTINIAN SOLIDARITY COMMITTEE, CITIZENS IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE PEOPLES OF EL SALVADOR, COUNCIL OF GRADUATE STUDENTS, THE THIRD WORLD INTEREST GROUP, IRISH INTEREST GROUP, INFORME SIDA, AIDS SERVICES OF AUSTIN, AUSTIN LESBIAN GAY POLITICAL CAUCUS, AND NEW AGE DYKES OF AUSTIN.
{{
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [cs.general, et al.]  Re: A question of ethics
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:55:28 GMT


Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
From: miw@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject:  Re: A question of ethics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:04:58 GMT

john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:

>Were I the Admin of YY I would have the Admin of XX called on the carpet
>post haste where I would urge that s/he be fired on the spot.

(a) This is not easy, because it is a university.
(b) It is inadvisable, because the other sysadmin is a colleague and has
    the same employer.

>If, as someone else suggested, the XX admin called me and asked me to
>delete P from A's account on YY, I would politely refuse (assuming P
>was allowed on YY).

I might do it that way, but would probably also carpet student A for
having a .rhosts file. 

I think student A would be best cutting his/her losses and hoping admin XX
doesn't have his/her account pulled on machine XX. You think the
University is going to push charges against itself? The *student* has no
rights in this case, because all resources used belong to the
university.

cheers,



--
Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.oz.au
+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
Si fractus illabatur orbis impavidium ferient ruinae.  -- Horace
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [oh.general, et al.]  Re: Help stop the KKK
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:24:16 GMT


Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject:  Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.160932.8430@meaddata.com> paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.111523.21899@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>|> 
>|> In article <1992Apr9.231712.18074@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, 
>|> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) said:
>|> 
>|> > - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a
>|> > counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be
>|> > confrontational but not violent.
>|> 
>|> > - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and
>|> > defeat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.
>|> 
>|> "Hi there... we're a group of citizens who are concerned about the
>|> Klan's negative attitudes towards the civil liberties of others, so
>|> in order to protest against their attitudes we're going to try to
>|> deprive them of their rights to freedom of speech."
>|> 
>|> Bleah.
>|> 
>|> -- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
>
>Well, Bill, I think you have things confused here. If the group were
>interested in depriving them of their right to freedom of speech, then
>they might has said something like: we'll shoot anyone who wears a
>white sheet, phyically block the march, violently attack them, etc...
>
>What they are planning on doing, it counter-demonstrate, i.e. exercise
>their rights to freedom of speech as well. Perhaps you'll decide to
>join the two groups and witness the exercising of rights in person.
>
Shouting down tactics and "confrontational" goals are seemingly ever
popular strategies in today's society when you disagree with another
group's platform.  For Queer Nation's shameless lambasting of priests
during Catholic Mass to the shouting down tactics used by other groups
to disallow political candidates to speak their minds, it seems to me,
as noted by William Starr, that it reeks of hypocrisy.

Let me be on record as being disgusted with the ignorant beliefs of the 
KKK, and I'm not voicing an attack on QN or any other group as well.  
I just hate to see well meaning people attemping (as is the current
vogue) to destroy the 1st ammendment rights of whoever they happen
to disagree with.

After all, what happened to the philosophy of "I may disagree with your
positions and beliefs, but I will fight to the death to preserve your
right to express them"?  Today it's more like "You offend me, so I'm going
to prevent you from speaking, whether by legislation, litigation, or 
simple mob participation."



-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 297-8474----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks   "With friends like this,   
2nd year medical student		          who needs anemones?"
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [oh.general, et al.]  Re: Help stop the KKK
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:24:00 GMT


Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant)
Subject:  Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.111523.21899@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Apr9.231712.18074@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, 
|> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) said:
|> 
|> > - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a
|> > counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be
|> > confrontational but not violent.
|> 
|> > - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and
|> > defeat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.
|> 
|> "Hi there... we're a group of citizens who are concerned about the
|> Klan's negative attitudes towards the civil liberties of others, so
|> in order to protest against their attitudes we're going to try to
|> deprive them of their rights to freedom of speech."
|> 
|> Bleah.
|> 
|> -- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Well, Bill, I think you have things confused here. If the group were
interested in depriving them of their right to freedom of speech, then
they might has said something like: we'll shoot anyone who wears a
white sheet, phyically block the march, violently attack them, etc...

What they are planning on doing, it counter-demonstrate, i.e. exercise
their rights to freedom of speech as well. Perhaps you'll decide to
join the two groups and witness the exercising of rights in person.

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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [soc.men]  Stifle, Edith!! (was: A neat story, and a question.
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:40:48 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org


From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject:  Stifle, Edith!! (was: A neat story, and a question.
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.204950.28927@cs.wayne.edu>  
mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison) writes:

$ In article <FXBL_3C@ais.org> chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald)  
writes:
$ >"Oh, and if I offended you I'm sorry, but maybe you needed to be  
offended.
$ >Well, here's my apology and one more thing. FUCK YOU!!"

$ Wow, I was kind of sympathetic until I got to the last part.  With  
an
$ attitude like that, I can see why you got in trouble!  Whew!!


What's wrong with his feeling and expressing his anger at being the  
target of an effort by some obvious feminist to use the current  
"sexual harrasment" hysteria to further their movement by using a  
"Politically Correct" club to muzzle others when the others happen to  
be discussing a subject with which the particular feminist happens to  
be uncomfortable?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: [soc.men]  A neat story, and a question.
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:37:29 GMT
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Originator: daemon@eff.org


Newsgroups: soc.men
From: chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald)
Subject:  A neat story, and a question.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:21:58 GMT

I work in a computer lab at a community college in Michigan. Whiloe working,
a group of users and another consultant were engaged in conversation with
me. Topics included masturbation, sex, feminism, and religion. A user
overheard some thing I said, most of which she found offensive. It should be
noted that I did not start this conversation, in addition I also tried to
quite it down when it seemed to be getting too loud. I am now in Deep Doo
Doo, or at least there is a very real potential for me to be in said Doo
Doo.

Addmitedly, as far as proffesional conduct is concerned, I probably should
not have openly discussed masturbation while working (why not though?).
However, I have been informed that making comments that "are sexual, or
could be construed as sexist" are grounds for a sexual harrassment charge. I
do not know who my accuser is, nor have I ever spoken to her. Yet, according
to some people around here (faculty of the college, and my supervisors), the
simple fact that this woman was in the room is reason enough to "get me."

(Oh, it should also be noted that this particular computer lab isn't a
typical one in which everyone sits at their cold terminal and utters not a
word. And where 'consualtants' do little more than fix printer mis-feeds. In
this lab, people actualy talk. There's a certain sense of camraderrie [sic?]
among both the users and the consultants. There is often discussion going on
about a great many things.)

Hopefully this will not get me expelled. My supervisors have basically told
me to 'be carefull.' However, I can't help but be totaly pissed off. Not at
this woman (whomever she may be), but that SHE'S TECHNICALLY RIGHT. 

I'd like to know if there is some place FTPable that archives sexual
harrassment policies. I can't believe saying something that "offends"
somebody in a room, when you've NEVER spoken to them or even know who they
are can be termed 'sexual harrassment.'\

"Oh, and if I offended you I'm sorry, but maybe you needed to be offended.
Well, here's my apology and one more thing. FUCK YOU!!"
    --Suicidal Tendancies

-- 
   Shawn FitzGerald           |   chungkuo@ais.org
   (Rational Romantic         |   University of Michigan
    Mystic Cynical Idealist)  |   Computing Club
"I love you so I keep dreaming . . ." -Bananas, _The House of Blue Leaves_
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [oh.general, et al.]  Help stop the KKK
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:22:23 GMT


Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject:  Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:17:12 GMT


**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
**                                                                         **
**                    THE  KKK  ARE  COMING  TO CINCINNATI                 **
**                                                                         **
**   - On May 2 (Permit reads Noon)   The KKK is planning a rally in       **
**         downtown Cincinnati.                                            **
**                                                                         **
**   - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a    **
**         counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be        **
**         confrontational but not violent.                                **
**                                                                         **
**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **
**                                                                         **
**   - Obviously, everyone going has a different idea about how to express **
**         anti-racist convictions.                                        **
**                                                                         **
**   - ACT ON YOUR CONVICTIONS.  For more info, contact me;                **
**                                                                         **
**         Robb Shecter, Outreach Committee,     schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu **
**                                               P.O. Box 19671            **
**                                               Cincinnati, OH 45219      **
**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.unix.programmer, et al.]  Re: logging outgoing telnet sessions to catch 'hackers' (summary)
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:25:46 GMT


From: chip@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Charles H. Buchholtz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.admin.policy
Subject:  Re: logging outgoing telnet sessions to catch 'hackers' (summary)
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:13:21 GMT

Followups sent to comp.admin.policy; this is no longer a Unix
programming issue.  I hope I left in enough context for new people.

spm2d@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven P. Miale) writes:
>l1ngo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Swift) writes:
>>Let me clarify this. I only intended to log which hosts a user connects to.
>>Usually, this is all that's needed to find a hacker (at the very least, it
>>narrows down the list of "suspects").
>
>I don't believe that is any of your business. Where someone telnets to,
>who they send mail to, etc., should not be logged. Your plan sounds
>an awful lot like "Big Brother" to me.

We log sendmail, rlogin, and telnet connections, but I don't know who
my users send mail to, etc.  I don't look in those logs for the same
reason that I don't look through people's home directories or read
their mail.  Yes, I have the root password, yes I *could* invade
people's privacy, but I'm a professional and I don't.  If you don't
trust the people with root to respect your privacy (or at least to
respect the policies of your site concerning privacy), then fire your
SysAdmin and get one that you can trust.

We do use those logs.  For instance, when I get a message from a
SysAdmin from another site who says, "someone cracked an account on
our machine last night, they logged in to foobar.cc.bigschool.edu as
fnord at 1:26AM", I can grep through the logs and determine which
account on my machine was used.

By using grep and awk on these log files, I can get the information I
need to "protect and serve" my customers, with minimal invasion of
their privacy.  My job is to provide the services that my customers
want, and most of them want their accounts to be secure.


Charles H. Buchholtz       Systems Programmer     chip@seas.upenn.edu
	      School of Engineering and Applied Science
		      University of Pennsylvania