From: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
Subject: avro cf-105 arrow
Reply-To: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
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Date: 22 Dec 92 00:27:59 EST

  To: Joel Murray

JM>  Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
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JM>    Subject: F16 Characteristics

JM>Robert O'Brien writes:
> Msg-ID: <1992Dec17.202136.15444@netcom.com>
> Posted: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:21:3
>
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> The CF-100 and CF-105 were indigenous products of Canadair.  I'm _NOT_ very
> expert on them, but the CF-105 was a BIG strike bomber, somewhere
> between a B-58 and FB-111 in mission/performance, and a lot like
> the TSR of Britain.  I think it was late fifties/early sixties, and
> apparently, political forces were so afraid that this plane would perform,
> that they not only cancelled it, but broke up the prototype, such that all
> the Canadian air museum has is the landing gear and much of the nose
> section.
> Any Canadian buffs care to contribute?  This exhausts _my_ knowledge
> of the subject.

JM>The plane to which you are referring is the Avro Arrow.  Unfortunately, I
JM>can't seem to find any reference material right now...  :-(

  I found the original comment that the CF-100 Clunk and the CF-105 Arrow are
related to the F-100 Super Sabre and F-105 Thud, respectively, to be mildly
insulting.
  Anyway, the Avro (A.V. Roe) CF-105 Arrow could've reached Mach 2 with its
Orenda Iroquois engines while the Brits were still tinkering with the subsonic
Swift and Scimitar. The Arrow also had a two-place (pilot and WSO), FBW flight
controls, and an internal weapons bay that can hold four Sparrows or six
Falcon AAMs. (Sounds awfully like the F-22 and F-23, eh?)
  Heck, even when in 1957 the Brits passed a bill that cancelled the further
development of manned fighters like the TSR-2, in the end they still had the
Hawker Hunter.

  There are about eight to ten books on the Arrow (check out the Aviation
conference if you're able), the most recently published is "Storms of
Controversy" by an author whose name I've forgotten. Some of the titles are
(approximately) "The Fall of the Arrow", "Flying the Avro Arrow", "The Shutdown
of a National Dream", and "There Never Was an Arrow".

JM>       Joel Murray / Vancouver, British Columbia  /  Canada, Eh?
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