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From: cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: Achtung Baby
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:57:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.155715.24834@news.stolaf.edu>, kdlayon@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon) writes:
> Why in the world would U2 name their album after some other band's song?  That
> is a really stupid speculation, I think.
> 
> I happen to know that "achtung" means "caution" or "watch out" in German.  So
> the title means "Watch Out, Baby", which makes perfect sense, considering U2's
> new attitude towards their music and established image.  They probably picked
> up the word "achtung" while recording in Berlin and hanging out with Germans.
> Sort of like how they got their Trabi (the cars)?  They first encountered
> the Trabants in Berlin, as well.

The way I heard it is that "Achtung, baby" is a line from a Mel Brooks movie.
Several years ago, Mel Brooks (maker of one of my favorite movies, _Blazing
Saddles_), made a movie set in 1930s Berlin where he played the owner of a
caberet.  I believe Anne Bancroft was also in it.  Apparently, there is a 
scene in the movie where Mel's charactor is impersonating Adolf Hitler, and 
uses the line "Achtung, baby!" to attract the attention of a cute fraulein.

It's such an oddball explanation, and fairly specific, that I, at least, 
believe it to be true.


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From: jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jack B. Huynh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Lolla3WishList
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:30:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul22.185241.18018@wpi.WPI.EDU> richard@wpi.WPI.EDU (RICH) writes:
>	 wish these bands would play Lollapalooza III:
>
>New Order
>Electronic
>
>In addition to those two I would love to see:
	My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult
	Kitchens of DISTINCTION
	Carter, USM
	Trash Can Sinatras
	Meat Beat Manifesto

JbH


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From: yogi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Maneesh Agrawala)
Subject: Where to get Pailhead album
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:24:33 GMT

Anyone know where I can get a copy of the Pailhead CD in
the bay area. I haven't seen it in record stores for quite
some time. Unfortunately I didn't get a copy a couple of
years ago when it was everywhere.

Maneesh
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From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.154256.8903@athena.mit.edu> byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.042153.3235@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>>
>>I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
>>the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
>>threats from police officers.
>>
>>I'm not going to debate the ethics of the song, I just want to call
>>attention to the reason for this action.
>>
>>Death threats from police officers.
>>-----------------------------------
>
Of course now the album sales are going to skyrocket.  Everyone who was
thinking about buying it will now do so in order to get "Cop Killer".
I know I'm heading to the store shortly...

After the song is removed from the CD, Ice-T will be giving away copies
of the song FREE at his concerts removing the theory that he put the song
out for money.  I'm sure there will be idiots that will say that people
are going to go to the concert just to get the free song, thus making
more money for Ice-T.

>	Now wait a minute, is this a confirmed fact?  Because death
>threats are a serious crime and I'm surprised the police haven't
>caught a LOT of crap for that...  Cops break laws all the time, but
>usually only when they can cover their asses with a ``it's for the
>public good'' kind of statement.  I mean, they can always argue self
>defense when beating the crap out of some unarmed black man (yeah,
>it's ludicrous, but it's a defense), but what POSSIBLE defense can
>they have for breaking this particular law?  Were they anonymous
>threats from police, or what?  Now THAT is a provocation to riot, I'm
>surprised things haven't exploded again.  Maybe people realized that
>rioting really just screws themselves over even though it gets a
>message out.
>
I liked Ice-T's quote, "At the moment the cops are in a criminal mode.
They've raised a lot of death threats against Warner Brothers Records."

There was also a threat to Arsenio when Ice-T was on and 2 bomb threats
to Warner Brothers' company offices.

This kind of stupidity just makes me wonder...

>>Jello Biafra was right.
>	As usual.  Gee I love this country...  I'm movin' to Denmark.
>				--Halloween Jack.

Rick
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From: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Alan Johnston)
Subject: Re: Mortal???
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:48:27 GMT

In article <92210.114521IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I need info. on an industrial band called MORTAL.  Where can I
>get their albums, and does anyone have any recommendations?
>Any info. about the band would be appreciated!  Thanks!
>........................Andie.

Mortal is a christian Industrail band.  They are very good..Our station has their
CD and it really rocks.
I have no Idea where you can pick this up. It is on intense Records.
They were touring with a band call Tournequet(sp?)
recently.
Thats all I know 
If you find it get it
mike j


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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Shamen Entact (new) review
Summary: Good
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus,world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:32:58 GMT

The Shamen En-tact has been remixed. I haven't heard the old one,
but many claim it is better than this one. For the benefit of those
who haven't heard this, here's a bit of a review.

The sound is "indie" but based mainly on synths rather than the
typical guitar indie style. House influences abound. It's a bit
like the Beloved, but harder and more industrial/techno. Big name
remixers appear, like Massey of 808, Meat Beat Manifesto, and
William Orbit.

Highlights:
Move any Mountain/Progen (2 mixes, one by Oakenfold)
	A rather wonderful song which is worth getting hold of even
	at this late date, because it's value will never die. This
	was the definitive indie-techno crossover single, IMHO.
	Two mixes is great value.
Human NRG
	A good track, doesn't let the album down, like some do.
Possible Worlds
	Excellent sentiments expressed. Beautiful sound. My favorite
	album track. Not really dance, which is fine. More a synth pop
	tune. Typical Shamen spoken/sang vox, very nice.
Omega Amigo
	I think this is an old single. House-ish, and not bad indeed.
	Uses standard Shamen harmony, which is both strong and clear.
Hyperreal Orbit and Hyperreal Selector
	Both are excellent, and they sound like different songs
	entirely. It would be hard to say which sounds more like the
	original, even the vocals differ... One has female sections
	which the other doesn't and the beats and sounds are completely
	different. My fave track is Selector; the bassline and rhythm
 	kick! It's mixed by Meat Beat.
Make It Mine
	Powerful. Hyperactive. Sampled guitars make it nice and hard...
	Again we see spoken/sung vox. The Make it Minimal mix is here
	as well. It sounds totally different, and I don't really like it
	that much.
Lightspan (2 mixes)
	A good song, in two very different mixes...

Bad: Evil is Even (boring), 666 EDIT (a version of progen, not too hot)
	Oxygen restriction, Hear me (not much thought seems to have been
	put into these last two tracks. they aren't very interesting)

Overall: I was very happy with this album. 8.5/10. The number of good
	songs is way above average for albums, there are 15 tracks, and
	plenty of music to listen to. You may even like the album tracks
	better than I do. At any rate, I like listening to the whole album
	on random play. The "bad" tracks bother me less and less each time
	I hear them. However, as with all good songs, the good songs'
	novelty value gets less with each play, but they are still great.

Paul

--
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MAIL ORDER: if you're looking for Japanese release CDs, Box Sets, and
Limited Editions, Rare Releases, email me. I have a friend who can maybe
help U out....
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From: rmm@colman.ipac.caltech.edu (Mike Melnyk)
Subject: Re: Trouser Press
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:54:26 GMT

In article <39982@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>
>The other main complaint I have with it is that the reviews are pretty
>opinionated. It's fairly easy to see if Robbins (or another reviewer, but
>mainly Robbins) doesn't like a group, and sometimes the reviews seem to
>wander into UK Music Weekly territory (i.e.  let's do a demolition job on
>this artist, and to hell with what the music is actually like). So
>depending on how closely your musical tastes correspond to Robbins' (which
>seem, admittedly, to be pretty wide) you'll either nod sagely in agreement
>with his evaluation or begin to froth at the mouth. I'd say it's pretty
>even with me - half the time I agree with him, the rest of the time I
>don't.
>
>Still, whether you agree with the opinions voiced in the book or not, it's
>a very good read indeed. I only got the current edition a couple of months
>back, and already I must have been through it cover to cover a half dozen
>times.
>

Here, here. I read *Trouser Press, The Magazine* from 1981 until its demise
in 1984, so I count myself among the faithful. The record guide is laden
with some strong opinions, some of which will make you nod in complete
agreement or leave you wondering where the hell he/she/they where coming
from. For example, I believe their review of New Order's oeuvre is right
on the mark, while I disagree with their unrelenting pan of the Pet
Shop Boys. 

More importantly, the writers do not seem to be chained to a lot
of preconceived or trendy opinions about artists' music. Robbins
generally has positive things to say about Duran Duran's first two 
albums, especially *Rio* - something Rolling Stone would 
never do. The reader is left with the impression that at least the TP 
Guide writers are relatively open-minded - which does make for a good
read, despite occasional disagreements with their reviews. 

All in all, a great bathroom book.


Cheers,


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Infrared Processing and Analysis Center             
JPL/Caltech
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From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 04:21:53 GMT


I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
threats from police officers.

I'm not going to debate the ethics of the song, I just want to call
attention to the reason for this action.

Death threats from police officers.
-----------------------------------

Jello Biafra was right.

*******************************************************************
* So now you know right where you are/It doesn't happen very hard *
*                  -- The Holy Rollers 'Fabuley'                  *
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* Mark Cornick                      stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu *
* James Madison University            cc647@cleveland.freenet.edu *
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* DISCLAIMER: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of JMU *
*          or anyone else except for myself. What a shame.        *
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Stiff Records collection?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:09:37 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

sporter@benjy.esd.sgi.com (Scott Porter) writes:

> Picked up a great double CD collection of early punk / pubrock singles
> released on Chiswick in the late '70's - early '80's. . . . Anyway, the
> question is: Does anyone know whether there's a similar collection of
> early Stiff Records singles? 

I don't have a track list for it, but Rhino offers a four-disc boxed set of
Stiff stuff (96 tracks in all).  It's in the Noteworthy catalog for $35.98.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"Miracles will happen as we dream"
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Screaming Trees (recommendations?)
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:09:32 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Could somebody out there recommend a good album by the Screaming Trees?
I've never heard of 'em, but a friend of mine recommended that I listen
to 'em...she can't stop talking about their stuff. Unfortunately the record
store here doesn't carry their albums and I've got to order them one at a
time...so, which one is the best?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: please.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Beat Happening Info
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:47:54 GMT


I remember awhile back someone asking about info on Beat Happening.  
Well here's some.  First of all, the new album will be out soon on 
Sub Pop.  I have Dreamy, Black Candy, and a compilation of theirs.  
Basically, if you like a few of their songs, you'll like them all.
They have progressed over the years, but their minimalist approach
coupled with wacky vocals and cool hooks are present everywhere.
The compilation of their singles is a really good retrospective.
The CD has about 28 tracks and is available from Feel Good All
Over records.  Black Candy is an excellent album.  Also, Beat
Happening has a slew of 7-inch singles out.  All of them are
worth getting unfortunately ('cause they'll be expensive to 
get).  Off the top of my head, the Dreamy 7-inch (why this 
song isn't on the album I'll never know), the Red Head
Walking, and the Our Secret one are all must haves.  In a
nutshell, if you like any Beat Happening, you will like it all.
So I would suggest first buying one of their albums to see if you
like it (the uninitiated should try Dreamy).  If you do, 
then get the compilation of their singles, the rest of their 
albums, and search through record stores for the rest of 
their 7-inches.  BTW, everything they've put out will be 
available through K Records.  Calvin runs it ya know.
Beat Happening rocks, I can't wait for the new album.

- Justin Goh

"Did someone say indie net?  What a good idea." - me
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Liz Clayton)
Subject: Re:  Lollapalooza III  (Violent Femmes)
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:34:58 GMT

You are obviously unaware that when Nine Inch Nails left the Lollapalooza '91
tour early last year (to tour Europe with Guns'n'Roses, no less), the Femmes
picked up the last leg of the tour and joined Lollapalooza for a few dates.



-- 
===============================================================================
"..between here or there is BETTER than here or there!"             Liz Clayton
                                -- Pavement         lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu
===============================================================================
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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rap,alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:05:31 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Jul29.154256.8903@athena.mit.edu> byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.042153.3235@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>>
>>I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
>>the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
>>threats from police officers.
>>
>>I'm not going to debate the ethics of the song, I just want to call
>>attention to the reason for this action.
>>
>>Death threats from police officers.
>>-----------------------------------
>
>	Now wait a minute, is this a confirmed fact?  Because death
>threats are a serious crime and I'm surprised the police haven't
>caught a LOT of crap for that...  Cops break laws all the time, but

Death threats may be a serious crime, but the police don't do a damned
thing about it.  I've had death threats while living in California and
have contacted the police and their attitude is "call us if they kill you."
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From: montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg)
Subject: Nick Cave in Boston (Somerville, actually)
Organization: AOSG
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:28:00 GMT

I haven't heard this advertised at all in the Boston area and I
found out about it only by chance but Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
will play at the Somerville Theatre on Sat, Aug 1.  Picture on
the handbill suggests that Bargeld Blixen will not be in the
show.

					Monty
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: DIDs (Desert Island Discs)
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.222156.7277@u.washington.edu> hamrick@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike Hamrick) writes:
>1.   The Replacements - BOINK
>
>	Excellent Replacements compilation; a friend of mine just paid $50.00
>	for a copy.  This compilation is guarenteed to turn any ordinary
>	person into a raving fan. Besides, everyone knows the Replacements 
>	were the greatest American Rock & Roll band ever, well, maybe not
>	everyone.

Hey, I like this, too. . .um. . .but I think I'd like 50 bucks
better--anybody want my copy???!!!???



-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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From: byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: SKaters At Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.042153.3235@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>
>I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
>the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
>threats from police officers.
>
>I'm not going to debate the ethics of the song, I just want to call
>attention to the reason for this action.
>
>Death threats from police officers.
>-----------------------------------

	Now wait a minute, is this a confirmed fact?  Because death
threats are a serious crime and I'm surprised the police haven't
caught a LOT of crap for that...  Cops break laws all the time, but
usually only when they can cover their asses with a ``it's for the
public good'' kind of statement.  I mean, they can always argue self
defense when beating the crap out of some unarmed black man (yeah,
it's ludicrous, but it's a defense), but what POSSIBLE defense can
they have for breaking this particular law?  Were they anonymous
threats from police, or what?  Now THAT is a provocation to riot, I'm
surprised things haven't exploded again.  Maybe people realized that
rioting really just screws themselves over even though it gets a
message out.

>
>Jello Biafra was right.

	As usual.  Gee I love this country...  I'm movin' to Denmark.

				--Halloween Jack.
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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Pity the opening band (was Re: The Cure in Concert
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:58:10 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult
Distribution: na

In article <jack-300792101039@compstore.jpl.nasa.gov> jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:

>Back over a decade ago, Prince (before he became popular) opened
>for...(wait for it).....    The Rolling Stones (!?!?!???) in a stop at the
>LA Colliseum. He was soundly booed off the stage. But you have to admit,
>that's kind of a stretch... for an audience that is there supposedly to see
>a 'classic' rock band.

Yeah right.  Imagine a whole stadium of Rolling Stones fans booing
someone off the stage for playing raunchy R&B.  Sounds like quite a
"stretch" to me....

--
    "Tell  me, who *hasn't* felt close to the edge and down by the river" 
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Andy Whitman
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
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From: petebob@sequent.com (Pete Apple)
Subject: Love & Rockets
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:29:22 GMT

Someone mentioned them in another post, so I began a'wunderin.  What
are these guys up to?  Daniel and David's solo records came out to not
too impressive sales I assume, they sure didn't get much air time.
(Although you just had to love that version of "Me & My Shadow", didn't
you?  Not.)  Are they back together creating another album?

-- 
Pete_Bob Apple					       Sequent Computer Systems
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Bob is not just a name..			       Beaverton, Oregon 97006
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From: pcolline@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Phil Colline)
Subject: Re: New Order - True Faith
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: pcolline@ics.uci.edu (Phil Colline)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:40:24 GMT

I don't think that single is too rare...I have it at least.

Although it is not right in front of me now I remember it having 3 songs plus
the 4th being the video.  There is the twelve inch and seven inch mix of TF
(the 12" not being the 10 minute mix found on vinyl) and a remix of Angel Dust
(something like that) and they call it Evil Dust (I'm sure of this name though).

You aren't missing a whole lot by owning the vinyl but if you see it used it's
a must buy...

good luck,

Phil

p.s. do you have the ceremony factus 8 cd?
From: James.R.Fries@dartmouth.edu (James R. Fries)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: proto-punk in Britain, mid-70s
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:07:22 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The TIMES LITERARY SUPPLEMENT, of all sources, has an interesting
article in its July 10 '92 issue about precursors of Teenage Fanclub. 
Can anyone supply information about Teenage Fanclub?  

The article also mentions some mid-70s British bands like Ducks Deluxe,
Brinsley Schwarz, Doctor Feelgood, Kilburn and the Highroads.  Does
anyone know about these bands?  Thanks!

James Fries@Dartmouth.edu
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