HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elsberry@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Wesley Elsberry)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets
Subject: Re: Neural-Net Character Recognition s/w or docs???
Summary: Small machine simulators
Keywords: ANN PC MAC UNIX SHAREWARE FREEWARE
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov6.010110.25441
Followup-To: comp.ai.neural-nets
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland

In article <1992Nov5.043246.16924@cunews.carleton.ca> sigurdsn@whitney.mrco.carleton.ca (Paul Sigurdson) writes:
>Hi,
>	I am interested in getting my hands on some type of Neural
>Net ShareWare package that deals with alphanumeric character recognition
>(for ms-dos), or any documentation of this sort of thing.
>	Does anyone have this sort of thing (and are willing to
>share) or know of any good sites that I could 'ftp' to???
>I've heard of a BBS called ShadedTree, but I'm not able to access
>that source.  I've also tried 'wuarchive.wustl.edu', which had a
>rich supply of neural net stuff for PCs (but nothing quite like what
>I am looking for).
>
>much thanks in advance,

While I can't give specifics on which packages will do alphanumeric
character recognition offhand, I can tell you a little bit about where to
look.

There are three direct dial-up BBS's that I know of that carry a
significant amount of small-machine simulators (for PC's mainly, some Mac,
some Amiga, some Unix(tm)): ShadeTree BBS in Pittsburgh, PA
(412-249-9416); the Interocitor BBS in Irving, TX (214-258-1832), and the
Central Neural System BBS in Richland, WA (509-627-6267).  The Interocitor
and CNS BBS's are available 23 hours a day (one hour in the morning is
reserved for mail transfers), and ShadeTree BBS is available from early
evening until morning (no daytime dial-ups).  All these BBS's are free to
access, and encourage users to submit additions to the archives of public
domain, freeware, and shareware files related to ANN and AI technology.

Many of the files from the Central Neural System BBS are also available by
anonymous ftp from me.uta.edu:/pub/neural/annsim, or somewhere on
nic.funet.fi.

If the "rich supply" on wuarchive.wustl.edu is contained in the
/mirrors/msdos/neural-nets directory, then any one of the BBS's listed
above is definitely worth your while in checking out.  I happen to think
that the Central Neural System is most worth your trouble, but then I am
the sysop of CNS.  ;-)

Wesley R. Elsberry
Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Kanerva's SDM
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:53:54 GMT

There was a joint porject between NASA Ames and the Stanford EE Dept to build
hardware SDM chips.  I saw some prototypes a couple years ago, but lost track
of the project.
From: acgoldis@athena.mit.edu (Andrew C Goldish)
Subject: Games and genetic algorithms
Keywords: genetic algorithms 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:17:39 GMT

I have written several computer games using the Borland Pascal compiler and
would like to teach the computer to learn from its own mistakes when it plays
against a human opponent (a la War Games).  I am going to try to insert a
genetic algorithm into the board evaluation subroutine so that the game
strategies whose parameters produce the most successful games survive to
the "next generation".  Is this a good idea?  If not, what other method of
computer learning should I use?
  My first project will be to convert either Checkers, Othello, or Ataxx.

					-A. Goldish
   "x^6 + x^9 = 1!  1 + 1 = 0!  10 * 10 = 15!  Isn't math fun?"
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From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
Subject: Re: TOP? Graduate Programs in AI
Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA
	<LOU.92Nov5135135@atanasoff.rutgers.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:53:15 GMT

I am collecting and collating a FAQ which is intended to eventually
offer opinions on, if not answer definitively, the question "what are
the grad best schools in AI, Natural Language, Vision, Automated
Reasoning, etc.  

If you have opinions, or if you are involved in teaching in an AI
program, or both, then please send me your suggestions.  A statement
like "The best AI grad school is CMU" is useless.  Please send
details of what the program is like, who the faculty are, areas of
research etc;

-- Dave

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From: hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle)
Subject: Re: TOP? Graduate Programs in AI
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:52:49 GMT


What about schools in Canada?  Or are they considered so far behind as not
to be of any importance?

Michelle
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: moeller@iw.uni-hannover.de (Henning Moeller)
Subject: Q: Controlling a dynamic system
Reply-To: moeller@iw.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut fuer Werkstoffkunde, Uni Hannover
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:04:36 GMT


Hi,
are there any references about a guide and control system
for a dynamic system (under water vehicle) based on feature
maps (Kohonen-modell) ?

Thanks in advance
                  Henning


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From: neveu@tintin (Jean-Sebastien Neveu)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:45:52 GMT
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From: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("St.John-Olcaytoe", Electrical Engineering)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

I vote YES to a new newsgroup dedicated to the advancement of fuzzy logic and its applications.

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From: uvdas@mcs.drexel.edu (Vinodh Das)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Pattern recognition in MRI
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:59:21 GMT
Organization: Drexel University




I'd like to find information regarding pattern recognition of
MRI features.  Could anyone recommend resources (ie. case studies,
articles..) ?

Thank You.

-Vinodh
uvdas@mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Postal address of Uviversity of Exeter, UK
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:48:57 GMT


Could anyone mail me the postal address of 

UNIVERSITY of EXETER, Dept. of Computer Science, U.K. ?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

V R Kumar

kumar@syd.dit.csiro.au

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Newsgroups: comp.ai,sci.lang
From: mj@cs.brown.edu (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: disjunctive unification algorithm?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:55:26 GMT

In article <721238926.24524@minster.york.ac.uk> miles@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>... The sort of thing that I need is:
>
>((N +) (or (V +) (V -))) unify ((N +) (V -)) = ((N +) (V -))
>
>where the "or" states that the V feature can be either "+" or "-".

Why not just leave out the V in the first FS entirely?

Mark

Mark Johnson
Cognitive Science, Box 1978
Brown University
Newsgroups: comp.ai,news.groups
From: erik@til.til.com (Erik Horstkotte)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:08:31 GMT

In article <bilgic.721600843@phoenix.rose.utoronto.ca>, bilgic@phoenix.rose.utoronto.ca (Taner Bilgic) writes:

|> What is being discussed now? I haven't been following the newsgroups for
|> a while. Is the name comp.ai.fuzzy finalized?

The name has not been finalized to my knowledge, although Mike Arras
at least seems to be strongly in favor of comp.ai.fuzzy.

I've seen the following names suggested (in alphabetical order):

    comp.ai.fuzzy
    comp.fuzzy
    sci.engr.fuzzy
    sci.fuzzy
    sci.logic.fuzzy

Personally I like the sci.logic.fuzzy the best.  It's clear and
unambiguous, and doesn't make political statements about whether
fuzzy logic is AI or not.

Also, I have not seen a proposed charter posted yet.

Please note the Followup-To line above.  All discussion of proposed
new groups is *supposed* to take place in news.groups.  Also, for
those people who are posting their votes, save 'em.  We're not at the
CFV (call for votes) stage yet, and even then you'll want to email
them to the vote-taker, not post them.
-- 
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The World's Source for Fuzzy Logic Solutions (The company, not me!)
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info@til.com for info, fuzzy-server@til.com for fuzzy mail-server
Newsgroups: comp.ai,news.groups
From: elias@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU (Doug Elias)
Subject: RFD -- where to put "fuzzy"?
Organization: Software and Consulting Support Group, Cornell Theory Center,
	C.U.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:02:12 GMT


i haven't seen anything to indicate that, once a vote is called for,
it won't be positive, so i'll take it for granted that the RFD doesn't
need to be about whether or not to create the FST/FL (Fuzzy Set
Theory/Fuzzy Logic) group.

But where to put it in the USENET hierarchy?  i don't see any
compelling reasons to put it down under "comp.ai", because it is pertinent
to a much wider world than comp, much less comp.ai.

i'd prefer:
  "sci.fuzzy_set_theory"
or
  "sci.math.fuzzy_set_theory"
or
  "sci.logic.fuzzy"

...but, having said that, i gotta admit that i don't really care where
it ends up, i'll participate regardless...

doug
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From: baechtel@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: RE: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:54:06 EST


Vote: YES
Organisation: ECP-Paris France
Date: Friday, 13 Nov 1992 10:51:18 EDT
From: Guillaume Le Stum <LE_STUM@FRECP12.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Sets Conference Announcement

  Hi, does anybody knows about he efficiency of the coding of numbers in binary
in genetic algorithms, are there more efficient ways to code numbers?
  By the way, is there a special newsgroup or listserv about ga?

           Guillaume

Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko)
Subject: Re: Loebner Turing test for Human like conversation
Reply-To: blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:25:21 GMT

Matthew L. Ginsberg writes
| In my (humble?) opinion, the Loebner test is a joke.  The whole
| *point* of the Turing test, and the reason it is interesting, is that
| the domain of interaction between the human and the machine is not
| restricted.  By adding an artificial restriction, Loebner (or whoever
| else is responsible) misses the point entirely.
| 
| I see no reason to believe that success at the Loebner test is in any
| way related to making progress on AI's real goals.  So here we are,
| continuing AI's established tradition of generating a tremendous
| amount of publicity while making no real progress.  No wonder the
| funding agencies are sick of us.

Performing well on this test may not be sufficient for
reaching "AI's real goals" but it is clearly necessary.
And to the best of my knowledge, no current systems are
close to satisfying it.

If one wished to encourage work in the field by presenting
a sequence of challenges of escalating difficulty, this
would not be my choice of a place to start. Given the amount
of papers/conferences/journals/funding in the
natural language field, however, I certainly don't
think it's either unfair or a joke.  

I think the fault of the funding agencies was not in
failing to choose the right challenges,  it was in failing
to identify any concrete standards at all for measuring
progress, 

	Tom
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.robotics,comp.lang.lisp
From: gat@forsight2.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat)
Subject: Re: ARS MAGNA Robot Simulator now available
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:01:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.010954.9656@netcom.com> nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
>engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson) writes:
>>			    Now Available
>>			      ARS MAGNA
>>		     The Abstract Robot Simulator

[Much deleted]

>      Despite being called a "robot simulator", this is a world modeller
>without much reality.  It's a 2D grid world, and it is basically 
>predicate-oriented,

John Nagle's criticisms are valid.  However, it should be noted that
the fact that actions can fail, that sensing is limited, and that failures
can occur randomly, puts this simulator head and shoulders above a great
many simulators which are regularly promulgated in the AI literature.
Furthermore, an accurate geometric simulation of a mobile robot in an
unengineered environment is EXCEEDINGLY difficult to produce, especially
if you want it to run in something approaching real time.

IMHO.

Erann Gat
gat@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
gat@aig.jpl.nassa.gov

Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg)
Subject: Re: Loebner Turing test for Human like conversation
Keywords: Loebner, turing, natural language
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.212849.7986@cs.ucla.edu> colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
(Kenneth Colby) writes:

>Does anyone have any comments, criticisms, or suggestions about the article 
>or the [Loebner] competition.

In my (humble?) opinion, the Loebner test is a joke.  The whole
*point* of the Turing test, and the reason it is interesting, is that
the domain of interaction between the human and the machine is not
restricted.  By adding an artificial restriction, Loebner (or whoever
else is responsible) misses the point entirely.

I see no reason to believe that success at the Loebner test is in any
way related to making progress on AI's real goals.  So here we are,
continuing AI's established tradition of generating a tremendous
amount of publicity while making no real progress.  No wonder the
funding agencies are sick of us.

						Matt Ginsberg


Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby)
Subject: Re: Loebner Turing test for Human like conversation
Keywords: Loebner, turing, natural language
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:32:32 GMT




Kehler admits his criticism of the Loebner Prize derives from
second-hand information.  If he had read the suggested AI Magazine
article, attended the competition, participated in the meeting of
the Boston Computer Society, or had read the write-up in Scientific
American he would know full well that our program took 2nd place
in the 1991 competition.

Our program was NOT ELIZA.  Therefore, not ALL the Loebner entries
were ELIZA or ELIZA-like.

Ken and Pete Colby
M.A.I.W.
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: gh@cs.toronto.edu (Graeme Hirst)
Subject: Re: TOP? Graduate Programs in AI
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:06:02 GMT

In article <hoyle.721003969@sfu.ca> hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle) asks:
>What about schools in Canada?  Or are they considered so far behind as not
>to be of any importance?

The AI group at the University of Toronto is one of the best in the
world (as is, in fact, the whole computer science department).  AI
faculty include Hector Levesque, Ray Reiter, Geoff Hinton, John Tsotsos,
and Mark Fox.

There are also good AI groups at Waterloo, your own university Simon
Fraser, and others across the country.

-- 
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From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: SOAR??
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:38:33 GMT

In article <NDIAYE.92Nov5151156@sol.cs.uni-sb.de> ndiaye@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Alassane Ndiaye) writes:
>Hello Netters,
>Can someone tell me what SOAR does mean.
>(Search Oriented Architecture, ???????)

It is my understanding that "Soar" is officially not an acronym, simply a
name...so it doesn't stand for anything.  However, it is also my understanding
that it USED to stand for: State, Operator, And Result.
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Subject: Prolog compiler for PC
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:40:58 GMT

Could anyone send me information about prolog compilers for PC:

1. Where are they available?

2. I also need some technical information about them. Whom should I contact?

Thank you in advance.

email to:  akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: asgeiro@dhhalden.no (ASGEIR OSTERHUS)
Subject: RE: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Keywords: vote: yes
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:37:57 GMT

Vote: Yes!
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: grounding and the entity/environment boundary
From: system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:38:44 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:

> In article <qk0TTB2w165w@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz> system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.n
> (Wayne McDougall) writes:
> >
> >I'd hoped that was exactly the distinction I was making. I think I'm 
> >suggesting that it is possible to maintain grounding with low-bandwith 
> >communications for those areas in which we (or an AI system) has a 
> >generalized grounding. 
> 
> I'm not sure I agree; but the question is fortunately empirical.  Someone
> needs to stay for a decade or two in a sensory deprivation tank, connected
> only to the Internet.  Any volunteers?
> 
I'd suggest that anyone with a high percentage of their grounding 
coming from Internet is subject to sanity problems, regardless of the 
grounding effects. :-)
> >However, this is why closing your eyes for 10 
> >years is a problem - your generalized grounding wears out 
> 
> Why do you say that?  People who go blind don't forget what colors are
> in that time, do they?  And we generally remember quite a bit of our
> childhood experiences-- what our houses looked like, what our relatives
> were like, etc.  
> 
I say that because the generalized grounding becomes less and less 
reliable; Aunty Franny's beard, the new model cars with 7 wheels. 
Colours is not a good example, because it is SO stable....I guess you'd 
have problems talking about the mauve on the Mona Lisa if you ain't 
never seen it, or the glory of a particular sunset....as I said, the 
grounding wears out in inverse proportion to the stability of the area 
in which you are grounded. Since most things we see are relatively 
stable in a generalized sense, we'd have to close our eyese for a long 
time for the small changes to have an effect on our groundedness.

> >(ain't transistors wonderful!). 
> 
> No more wonderful than neurons.  I very much suspect that brains forget
> things only when they want to.
> 
Obviously I was too obscure. I was suggesting that someone who was 
well-grounded with computers and vacuum tubes or transitors, say, and 
then is out of touch for a relatively short time, could have great 
difficulty in talking sense to a computer engineer.
> >How's this for a twist on the Turing Test? A Artificially Intelligent 
> >system is something that is worthwhile to talk to.
> 
> Cute, but no improvement on the usual TT.  For one thing, it's even more
> subjective than usual-- as Marvin Minsky might say, "worthwhile" is a
> two-place not a one-place predicate: X is worthwhile *to Y*.  For another,
> I know humans who'd fail this test...

Indeed. Perhaps intelligence should be a sliding scale.Mertz from Mars 
might otherwise classify us both as failing the xertyl test, and 
therefore not intelligent.


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Subject: Re: Simulated Brain
From: system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:27:16 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

gindrup@math.okstate.edu (Eric Gindrup) writes:

> In article <burt.720913842@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> burt@aupair.cs.athabascau
> 
> >In article <m94oTB1w165w@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz> system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.
> > (Wayne McDougall) writes:
> >
> >>[...] When I say that the number "2"
> >>exists, I don't mean, like Plato is thought to have believed, that
> >>there is a big marble TWO somewhere.
> >
> [...]
> >
> >Cat's existed, for example, before there was ever a word for cat.

For the record, I never made the statement that now appears to be 
attributed to me. Please adjust your opinion of me up or down 
accordingly.

BW: in your recent message vis a vis identity qua identity, vs 
persistent sense of identity over time - I don't disagree with anything 
you say. Didn't seem worth quoting a long message for that effect. So I 
wasn't just ignoring you.

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