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From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Subject: Re: Again, trouble with european HP-UX software support
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:40:31 GMT
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation

seymour@milton.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour) writes:

>In article <28510284@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com> robs@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Rob Slotemaker CRC) writes:
>>Where can you get the list from ?  Note there is no difference between
>>US and European customers. The official HP policy is to provide patches
>>only to solve an existing problem. Lists of patches will not be provided.

>I'm now trying to set up a similar system with HP...
>  trying... VERY trying... whereas DEC has a good tracking system (i call up,

We get a CD-ROM here every couple of months with lots of stuff on
it.  Why couldn't HP simply put all the patches on each one?

The only reason I can see constitutes sadism.  Customers pay
large sums of money every month in exchange for the right to
grovel and beg for repairs to a product they don't even own, but
have already paid for the right to use.

Something's wrong here and we shouldn't have to look to DEC or
IBM for leadership.  Is THIS the HP WAY?
-- 
Marc
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.unix.wizards,comp.unix.programmer
From: dschneid@auc.trw.com (Dave Schneider)
Subject: Kernel implementation of semiphores
Reply-To: dschneid@dora.UUCP (Dave Schneider)
Organization: TRW Denver Operations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:01:16 GMT

I have a question for those of you out there that may know something about
how some of the IPC functions are implemented in the kernel.  I have an
application that consists of a fair number of processes (~20) that coordinate
with each other through the use of semiphores.  While the system is operating 
there is a rather large number of semiphores defined in the system (50-60).

The application runs on an HP 9000/433s under hp-ux 8.0.

I have noticed that the performance cost of performing a semiphore operation
is quite dependent on the number of semiphores in the system.  As the number
increases so does the cost.  I would like to know how the kernel maps the
semiphore ID to the data structure in the kernel that represents the semiphore.
Since the range of values used for semiphore IDs varies over a large range
(0 to ~4000) it seem unlikely that it is an index into a table.  If so the
table would have to be rather large with few entries used.

Is a linked list of structures used which is searched for a matching ID
when an operation is performed on the semiphore?  If so this search time would
explain the relation between execution time and the number of semiphores.

An insight that anyone may have would help.  If you have information please
respond via e-mail.

		Thanks
			Dave Schneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: polly@leland.Stanford.EDU (polly siegel)
Subject: Re: "source" on HP-UX
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.110828.16235@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone know if HP-UX the "source" command (or equivalent) ?

The "source" command is a builtin to the csh.  If you're using the ksh, then 
the "." command is the equivalent.  So if you want to source a file named
"myfuncs", typing ". myfuncs" will perform the equivalent functionality
in the ksh as will "source myfuncs" in the ksh.

- polly
---------
Polly Siegel
Stanford University
(polly@grover.stanford.edu)



Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: macljohn@ux1.isu.edu (John MacLerran)
Subject: HP Vectra Disk Drives
Summary: Other drives for Vectra RS/20? 
Keywords: Vectra, Hard Disks, ESDI
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:43:37 GMT

Hi,
I have a question about large hard disks on an HP Vectra RS/20.  We are
using one for our departmental server and want to upgrade to a larger
hard disk.  We currently have an HP 300 MB ESDI disk in it, and we want
to add another 300 MB or more.  The question is: do we have to use HP
hard disks?  Do we have to use an ESDI disk, or will IDE suffice?  Will
there be performance problems if we mix IDE and ESDI (or ESDI and SCSI)?
And, finally, does anyone have any recommendations for third-party
drives?
Please e-mail replies, and I'll summarize to the net.
P.S. I'm not sure my sig is constructed properly, so please forgive
me if it doesn't work properly.

John MacLerran, DP Systems Analyst
macljohn@isu.edu
From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:35:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Centronics port: really write-only?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, rdg@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Gardner) writes:

> It's a manual page limitation. The 700 parallel port can do bidirection
> I/O. If only you know the mode bits in the minor number...

Since there is as yet no standard for bi-directional centronics, it is worth
mentioning that the Series 300, 400 and 700 bidirectional scheme was
designed for use with the HP 9190A Scanjet and 9195A ScanJet Plus (both now
discontined and replaced by SCSI scanners).  These original ScanJets used a
mostly proprietary input mode developed by Canon.  Odds are it will NOT work
with whatever device you have.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: maint@positron.uucp (Maintenance Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Exabyte tape drives on Series 700 ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:51:27 GMT
Reply-To: eric@csi6.med.ge.com
Organization: .

In article <1992Jul22.115425.2@and.csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>Yes, I know this is probably a FAQ, but never mind. Can Exabyte tape drives be
>used on the 700 Series (e.g. a 720 running HP-UX 8.07) ? If the answer is yes,
>some brief details would be nice (Model number of Exabyte drive, any special
>software needed etc.). You can e-mail me with your answers, but I bet a lot of
>people would like to know the answer to this :-)

Yes, it seems to work, with the exception of tar. I've tried an older 8200
with a 710 running 8.07.

This came up a couple of months ago, so you might try to dig up some old articles.
Anyway, you set up the device files as if it were a DDS drive, and use it with
the usual tape commands. Backup and restore seemed to work fine, as did dd and
cpio and mt. 

Tar, however, does not work quite right. It appears to write archives, but
indexing them and extracting them is buggy. I believe it was Michael Lampi
(credit where it's due)
who identified the problem with tar as being a bogus attempt to write a filemark
after reading. I've been meaning to build gnutar to see if it has the same
problem, but I haven't had a chance.

You probably realize that this is unsupported, so your mileage may vary and
HP doesn't care if it does. 8-)

Eric Bushnell
eric@csi6.med.ge.com

I *still* don't speak for anybody but myself.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: good@gdwest.gd.com (CWP 570499236 Good)
Subject: Memory fault from "w"
Summary: w gives memory fault on HPUX 8.0 on 9000/350
Keywords: w memory fault
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:40 GMT

I'm having a problem where the "w" command always gives a "Memory fault"
when I run the "w" command.  Here's what I'm running it on:

HP-UX cae900 B.08.00 B 9000/350 

Here's what I get:

{375} $ w
 11:29am  up 7 days,  1:04,  11 users,  load average: 1.02, 0.61, 0.47
User     tty           login@  idle   JCPU   PCPU  what
Memory fault
{376} $

I've checked the utmp file, and it seems to be OK. Any ideas?

-- 
David Good                                               good@gdwest.gd.com

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From: glen@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Glen Robinson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:04:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Writing a non-disc SCSI device driver for HP 700 (Snake)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

HP-UX Driver Development Guide 98577-90013 available for about $70.00
from HP Direct 800-538-8787

Glen - R
From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Mkdir in fork
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:35:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> I'm using HP 720 running HP-UX 8.07.  I tried to mkdir in a child
> process.  It fails but returns with return code 0.  Following a sample
> program (actually, it's extracted from a program in the public domain
> version of NQS) :

Drifting a bit from the "fork/exec" problem, why doesn't this code just
use the mkdir(2) system call?

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: Roman 8 -> ISO 8859.1 (was sendmail and 8-bits characters)
Originator: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<1992Jul21.082006.3786@jussieu.fr>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.082006.3786@jussieu.fr> pda@bambi.lptl.jussieu.fr (Pierre DAVID) writes:

>I am using "hpterm" which lets me use a localized (french) keyboard
>(46021AF). I can specify an ISO font, but I didn't succeed in
>specifying correct keypress -> ISO code mapping. I am using :
>    hpterm -fn -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1
>If I enter an accented letter, the Roman 8 code is generated and
>displayed with an ISO font...

>	425T running 8.0 on local console
>	720 running 8.05 on a 700/RX

>Must I wait for the 9.0 ?

8.07 will suffice for the 720 at least.  What you'll need
to do then is put in your .Xdefaults (or system-wide
equivalent) the line

HPterm*roman8:	False

If I remember correctly this was documented in 8.05
hpterm man pages but didn't work until 8.07;
as far as I know it still doesn't in s300/s400.    :-(

In the meantime you can try to use xterm, which as of 8.0 can handle
8-bit characters.  Unfortunately it has another bug which makes it
difficult to use with non-US keyboards (namely, one cannot enter
characters with high bit zero with ExtendChar, which on some keyboards
includes things like brackets and backslash ... creative use of
xmodmap may help a little).

BTW, hpterm is not the only client with this problem.
At least datebook exhibits the same behaviour, and
if there is a solution for it I'd like hear about it.
--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: pearmana@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Andy Pearman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Multiple fbackups to one DAT tape
Keywords: fbackup DAT
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: pearmana@prl.philips.co.uk
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK


No doubt someone has already asked this, but........


I want to run fbackup on several machines using the
-f machine:device  option and dump onto a DAT tape on a central
HP machine, appending the fbackup dump file onto the end of the previous
fbackup dump file.

I use device 0mn which I believe means norewind device, but for some
reason fbackup insists on rewinding the tape before writting.  Is
there any way of stopping fbackup doing the rewind.
I don't think it's the device driver doing it cos I have managed to append
files when not using fbackup, though for some reason, even that seems 
a bit iffy (dd etc etc).

      Andy

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From: chan@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Bug in hp-ux8? for Hacker???
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:09:59 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

We have a HP cluster with 635 as server and 300s as diskless workstations
running yellow pages. Recently, we have some problem of remote logging into
the system from unauthorised machines.
1) There are some root login recorded in last (wtmp) but we have set 
/etc/securetty to only one line of "console". I dont understand how they can
bypass the kernel checking. Is there a bug in the OS that will allow this
type of log in ???
2) In the password file, a user has his passwd file set as "*" and
the shell field as "/bin/sync". But this user still appears on the wtmp
log as had log in to the system and through the system to telnet to other
machines. Is there another bug in the OS that will allow this to happen??

Is ther any body out there that has the same experience who can answer
my question???

Please e-mail me on schan@ice.fit.qut.edu.au
From: rexb@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Rex Backman)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:09:23 GMT
Subject: Re: How do I find out how much RAM and swap my 720 has?
Organization: HP Performance Technology Center, Roseville
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Karl,

The HP GlancePlus product provides data on memory and swap utilization. Being
a general performance diagnostic tool, other areas of information are provided
too.

To qualify for a FREE DEMO, call HP at (800) 237-3990. The demo is good for
60 days.

HP GlancePlus is available for all HP-UX platforms.             

Rex Backman
Performance Technology Center
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Roseville, CA

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: 9.0 is coming, are you ready?
Originator: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
	<jwright.711960341@cfht.hawaii.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:55:16 GMT

In article <jwright.711960341@cfht.hawaii.edu> jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright) writes:

>larryt@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Larry Thompson) writes:
>>This has actually been talked about ALOT (both in this notes group and some
>>HP internal notes groups). The series 800 machines will not support diskless
>>in 9.0! If you need a diskless server that is running 9.0 you must use
>>a series [347]00.

>All the discussion must have been on the HP-only group.  I haven't heard
>a thing about this before, and I read everything here

Me too.  After the tidbits here I called HP and tried to pry from them
something more; the SE I talked to said that it isn't quite fixed yet
and he didn't know much details, but apparently the following at least
will no longer be supported:

* 68020-based s300-machines
* diskless with s800
* graphics on s800

Looks like we're not going to get rid of 8.0 for quite some time.
(Next time I hear something will be fixed in 9.0 I may not
respond too kindly ...)
--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: beamishd@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Free HP calculators w/workstations ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:39:57 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hi, has anyone ever managed to resize xhpcalc using the font resources.
I have been trying to do this with no success. the only way I have been able to
change the size is to make the default font files point to other larger font
files ( Yuck :)) ). Is this is a lost cause or can xhpcalc be resized or should
HP ship a free calculator w/every workstation :)) Any information would be
welcome as would be a calculator or two (Are u listening HP :}}  )
				Thanks, 
                                    Norman Beamish                            
                                    Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Engineering
                                    University College, Dublin
                                    Belfield, Dublin 4
                                    Ireland.       
norman@tesla.ucd.ie
beamishd@ccvax.ucd.ie
Voice +353-1-7061964
Fax   +353-1-2830921

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dag@atomica.fi (Dag Nygren)
Subject: S800 partitions on 3rd party disk
Organization: Oy Atomica Ab, ESBO, FINLAND
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:59 GMT
Keywords: S800 3rd-party disk partition

Anyone out there that would know how to partition a
3rd party disk on the HP S800 machines? 

Disksecn -p gives a hint about something compiled into the 
kernel (Bleeeech!) but nothing in the HP documentation gives 
a clue where to put the generated structure.

Any clue would be appreciated !



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From: mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:22:53 GMT
Subject: Re: f77: PEEPHOLE: NULL POINTER USED
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> What does the following error from f77 mean:
> 
> Compiler error line 44135 of 2dBWIn.f: PEEPHOLE: NULL POINTER USED. (6762)
> 
> This in a 9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07, f77 version B2408A.08.07, 
> with command line f77 -L +O1 +es -u -c 2dBWIn.f
> The line it complains about is the final END of the program,
> and the immediately preceding lines are simple assigment
> statements ... there may of course be a bug in the code, but that
> error messages isn't very helpful.
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)

"Compiler error" undoubtedly means that there is an internal error being
detected within the compiler on itself.  This is not a user-generated
error.  Report this to your support people as a defect in the compile
path.

Each piece of the compile path has internal integrity checks on its own
data structures to warn you that it's possible that the compiler made a
mistake somewhere.  When one is detected it prints out a message like
the one you see.  The fact that the error is reported at the end of a
program unit doesn't mean that the error occurred there; rather, it
means that final validity checks for the program unit were made once all
input had been seen and one of these checks detected a problem.

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
(Not an HP spokesman. Not even associated with the S700/800 compiler people.)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rz98@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Knocke)
Subject: Examples to NCS
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:20:30 GMT

I'm looking for the examples discussed in the Network Computing System (NCS)
Reference Manual by Mike Kong (Apollo/HP). After installing NCS 1.5.1 the
BINOP.. examples were found but the BANK example (referenced on page 161 ff)
would interest me as well. Has anybody found them or give me a hint were the
could be, thanks in advance.

With best regards
	Andreas Knocke

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin)
Subject: Problem with console login
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Barnard College, Columbia U, New York
Originator: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:38:41 GMT
X-Posted-From: avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I am new to the HP;  perhaps someone can help me with the following
problem.  When logging in to the console, my .cshrc is not read when
a new window is opened.  In addition, a job winds stopped up in background,
complaining that it cannot cat the copyright notice to the screen.  When
I rlogin remotely I don't have this problem, and when I login without
the window manager directly onto the console I don't have this problem.
My .login file contains the following lines, among others:

# Add windows at login:
if ( "`who am i`" =~ *console* ) then
    if ( -x /usr/bin/x11start ) then
        exec /usr/bin/x11start
    endif
endif

It seems to be windows opened from the X environment that have this
problem.

Can anybody help?

	-P.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.questions
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: moving tar file on DAT (4mm) tape between HP and SGI???
Keywords: DAT DDS SGI HP
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:55:41 GMT

hi, i'm trying to write a tar archive to a 4mm DAT tape on
an HP 720 (hpux 8.05) and then read it on an SGI 440s (irix
4.0.1) and it sez: checksum error, giving up...

i just used plain old tar cvf to create it on the HP and then
checked it with tar tvf and all was fine then came over to 
the SGI and it won't read it (even dd won't read anything off
of it)  - any ideas?

		fish
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jeff@dsndata.uucp (Jeff Minnig)
Subject: Re: HP 9000/400 boot problems from CD-ROM
Organization: Design Data
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:34:12 GMT

In article <13330035@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten) writes:

> From: stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten)
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:04:25 GMT
> Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
> Path: dsndata!tssi!unlinfo.unl.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpspdla!stevewi
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
> References: <2891@unieinf.UUCP>
> Lines: 7
> 
> Your problem is that the root device has to be writable.
> 
> ===============================================================================
> Steve Witten                    stevewi%hpspd@hplabs.hp.com
> Network Test Division           ...!hplabs!hpspd!stevewi
> Hewlett-Packard Co.             stevewi@hpspd.spd.hp.com
> 

Why?  I install off of write-protected tapes all of the time...

-jeff-
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From: pearmana@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Andy Pearman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: hp730 and disk quotas
Keywords: hp730 disk quota
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:05:25 GMT
Reply-To: pearmana@prl.philips.co.uk
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK


We have recently received an HP730 which we are currently setting up.

Every time someone logs in it insists on doing some kind of
disk quota checking i.e. we get the message:

Please wait...checking disk quotas

Is there any way of disabling this ?
What is it doing exactly ?
It's not being done in csh.login so is it a kernel thingy ?

Any help will be much appreciated.

     Thanks in advance,

       Andy

-- 

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  Redhill, Surrey RH1 5HA, England.  Tele:0293 785544  Fax:0293 776495
  Email: pearmana@prl.philips.co.uk  Seri: pearmana@prlhp0