From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: hands off FERGIE ya bampots
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:00:29 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan25.085612.3036@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
> Latest on the Ferguson crisis.
                         ^^^^^^
Ahem,  even Celtic fans didn't go this far when they appeared to be losing a
PROVEN internationalist and team captain last summer and Celtic's plight ain't
much better than DUFC.

> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> David Murray tonight confirmed that Rangers tabled a bid of 2.5 million
> for Ferguson but McLean says no bids have been received and if they were,
> he confirmed that he will NOT sell Ferguson to any Club especially Rangers.
> 
> The reporters in both the Sunday 'Ibrox' Mail and the Sunday 'David Murray'
> Post both condemn McLean as a liar and emphasize that Ferguson will join
> Rangers eventually.

Am I to believe now that Mr. McLean has now admitted that said bid was in fact
'tabled'?

> 
> It is reported that Ferguson has banked 35,000 already this season. 
> Since he never earned that much last season, the question is where has
> the money come from? Rangers are quoted as saying that the player is just
> the type THEY require. What with Fergusons' performances lately, it
> is hard not to reason that the player has recieved some sort of backhander
> from the Murray empire, in order to get himself a transfer.
> 
Now! Now! NOW! that is simply speculation, if however such a thing were to be
found true then the activities of Mr. Murray et al. would then be subject to
investigation and r.s.s. discussion, however glancing ahead in the text I'd
presume that you in the first instance will not be privvy to such delicate
details what with your deep regard for our governing body and indeed the
chairman of the MIM works team.

> Duncan Ferguson agreed to and signed a contract which ties him to the 
> club till 1998. 

As a quick aside do you think it fair to tie young players such as Drunky to
contracts of such length?

> McLean can be stubborn, but why should WE lose the services 
> of our best striker just when we are beginning to mould a team, to some 
> pansy big-headed bigotted outfit? 

Methinks the reason if any would be purely financial, that's why.  It's
certainly not for a footballing reason - perhaps transfers from Utd. are the
reason why the club are rebuildin  without throwing themselves into huge debts
- perhaps not, maybe Uniteds main source of income is McLean's wise investments
on the "one from each section" on the Ladbroke coupon of a Saturday - it's
certainly not through crowds alone.

> Denis Roache should be publicly made 
> to apologise to McLean and Agents should be outlawed by the SFA.

Like them or not agents are here and to the extent that players these days get
better deals all round is no bad thing for them, after all they have a limited
career, especially if they're tied to some provincial club for ten years at the
outset.
> 

> Where are the SFA in all of this? Doing S(od) F(uck) A(ll) thats' what.
> Rangers have made an obvious delibarate illegal approach to a player
> under contract to DUFC and are being allowed to get away with it!!!!!!

Now if this news broke on Friday night and the SFA get the weekend off from
such matters and considering that a proper investidation might take some time I
think you're being a wee bit unfair on them putting the boot in at such an
ealry stage.

> The "Loyal" Rangers following(who pissed off between 1980 and 1986 but
> came back following Sounesss' first championship) may see nothing wrong
> in trying to 'strengthen their team', but they should think twice before
> passing a comment on this article because I have plenty to say on the issue
> and I have facts on my side, what do they have? Bare-faced lies thats'
> what.

Well, at the risk of being a tad provocative here why don't you use them.  Give
us Drunky's bank statement, give us his declared (and undeclared) sources of
income and tell me how you can call The Bears "Pansy" and then go on to
crticise them as "dirty wee shite's" (choice term) and "heidcase fae england"
and "dirty buggers" (even more stylish!).

> 
> 
> As far as the United board are concerned, RANGERS CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES,
> As far as we Arabs are concerned, RANGERS CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES,
> As far as ANY "BIG" CLUB are concerned, FERGUSON IS NOT FOR SALE TO
> ANYONE AT ANY PRICE.

Now you've spoken to the United board about this have you.  If Drunky's still
at Tannadice (and not in prison) by the end of 1998 I'll learn the flute. And
also do you really have to swear so much - this is an international thing,
don't bring your country down with yourself.

> 
> Rangers wouldn't pull this stunt on Aberdeens' hotshots' Jess and Booth,
> but United suffer all the time. First it was our manager you wanted, then
> the assistant manager, then Dodds, Gough, Kirkwood all followed to the 
> 'homeland', at Ibrox. When Gallacher was at Tannadice, no Rangers
> interest was ever declared? 

Didn't Rangers recently purchase a certian bright Aberdeen starlet for a
certain fullback position or a certain Hibernian (ahem) to place in the firing
line that is the goal-mouth.  Both sides being as big, if not bigger than DUFC.
Can't think at all why they never went for young Kev.  I'd guess he just wasn't
good enough.

> 
> Why is it that Ferguson suits Rangers "STYLE"? The Hunz ain't got no style,
> their players use the power method of 'playing?' football i.e., they
> put the heads down and charge at the opposition.

BANANAS! 
> 
> Iain Ferguson is a dirty wee shite who has never seen a football in his 
> life but kens' how tae amputate the opposition players legs. Stuart McCall 
> is just another heidcase fae England.  Peter Huistra and Dale Gordon are
> another set of dirty buggers who scream if they don't get things their
> own way, Gough had class but has now lost it all, Goram, Robertson,
> Steven, McCoist, Hately, and Durrant are either has-beens, never-beens but
> are as Dirty as hell.
> 
Oh aye sure I can see the entry in the Scottish Football Who's Who now ..

McCoist, Alistair (F) : Has been centre forward with scunneringly bad
disciplinary record, currently Euro. golden boot and on course to repeat
performance which is no bad for a player who's halcyon days were at Muirton
Park.  Known affectionately as Sally because he's a Pansy.
 

> The referees' here in Scotland are weak and utterly biased towards Rangers.
> No referee has the backbone to clamp down on the many fouls, penalties and
> offsides which are never awarded but occur when Rangers are on the rack.

I disagree, Scottish referees are biased against Celtic and Airdrie.

> 
> There is nothing glamorous about defending and waiting on lucky breaks for
> 90 minutes. This is how Rangers intimidate other teams into submission.
> God, if United got the same breaks as Rangers get every week, we'd
> be so far in front at the top of the table, the Championship would have
> been won by now.
> 
Stunning footballing critique on the highest scoring side in the Premier
League.

> Where were Rangers when Ferguson was available? 
> Did they sign him as a youngster and develop his talent? 
> Did they FUCK. 
> 
That's why they'd have to pay 2.5M for him as opposed to DUFC who only have to
give him #180 a week to keep him in beer money for his outings to Anstruther.

> Where were Rangers when Gough first went on trial there? 
> Did they sign him and develop his talent?
> Did they FUCK. 

Ditto only Richard I believe spends his money on other pleasures.

> 
> Where were the loyal Rangers support during the lean years of the early 
> eighties? 
> Did they support the team, players and manager? 
> Did they give any of them time to field a settled side and bring success to 
> their club? 
> Did they FUCK.

Tell me, being a wee boy from the sticks and unaware of what happens in big
cities like Dundee.  Is the average attendance at Tannadice the same now as it
was in the days of Euro. success?  Admittedly the Rangers situation is extreme
as has been oft times discussed but get out these facts and support your own
team with them, show us loyalty - what was the crowd for the visit of Falkirk
on Saturday.

> 
> Now that United have unearthed him and polished him off, they want the 
> finished article at a knock down price! And why not!
> 
Hardly a knock down price for an as yet temperamental youngster who *shows a
lot of promise* but let's face it hasn't set the league on fire with goals, has
he?

> Ian Ferguson  reared by Clyde, played for St. Mirren and
> joins Rangers for 1 million
> 
Knock down price for a "Dirty wee shite"?

> David Robertson reared by Aberdeen joins Rangers for 1.25 million.
> 
> Andy Goram reared by Oldham, signed by Rangers from Hibs for 1 million.

Hardly bargains although maybe Hibs could have hiked on a few pence.

> 
> Ally McCoist reared by St. Johnstone, signed by Rangers from Sunderland
> for 325,000.
> 
But he's a "Has been" remember!!

> All these players would have been outstanding successes for their
> own clubs but each were nobbled in turn by Rangers and eventually signed
> for the Hunz. 

Methinks they're doing not bad where they are now, can't really see Hibs,
Sunderland, St. Johnstone or indeed Oldham enjoying the run Rangers are
currently experiancing in the playing lifetimes of these players nor indeed the
players enjoying the same standard of living.

As for St. Mirren.

> Rangers fans may call me a bigot for using the term, Hun, to

> [standard Rangers fans are bigots and pee on grannies type stuff deleted]

I use the term all the time so maybe that makes me a bigot also but to launch
into a criticism of the "minority" (ahem) is unfair in a piece on Drunky -
looking at it maybe he'd fit in with the fans you describe.
> 
> For the good of the Clubs' image, McLean should say nothing to the press,

Maybe he should say nothing or at the very least tell the truth.

> stick Ferguson in the reserves until 1998 and then before his contract 
> expires, either offer him terms or sell him, if the big clubs are still 
> interested in what would be a 26 year old has-been who hasn't been in the 
> public eye for 5 years and who will obviously be a failed professional
> footballer.

Oh aye, so what about the time United have spent rearing him and polishing him
off and bailing him out - who's going to benefit from this?  This must rank
with my plan to buy Mo. back off Rangers and place him on the subs bench in the
reserve team week in week out for stupidity - having said that it might have
pleased some people, viz. a viz. the Celtic AND Rangers' *minorities*.

If you are going to put the boot into The Huns will you please do it properly!
> 
> 
> The NOT-SO Friendly Arab.
> 

DAN
CBAR40@VAXA.STRATH.AC.UK



p.s. is this a case of NO  Taxi for Fergusson?
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