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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Date: 24 Dec 1992 08:55:24 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Dec24.053726.29521@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Ok, I've REALLY LOOKED for the way to switch to 640X400, but I
>cannot find it.  Where??  I have looked a lot in the Preference
>program, but I didn't see it.

Look for a button that says "interlace", if I remember.  Also, in 1.3,
there's no easy way to use an overscanned WB.

Greg


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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill "I Scream for Ice Cream" Gates
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:43:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Fu64VB1w164w@admiral.uucp>

>There's a new biography on Gates coming out. The title, as you'd expect,
>is "Gates." This looks a little more in-depth and fair rather than "Ha
>ha, look at the geeks" like "Hard Drive" was. There was one picture of
>Gates that had me on the floor, though. Mucho geeky. One of his old
>girlfriends wasn't bad, though.

I have the biography of Gates called "Hard Drive", is this a separate
book?

Anyway, it doesn't take Gates to make Gates look bad.  All you need to
do is read interviews with him. Make no mistake, the guy is a genius,
but he's not particularly likable, nor a honorable guy.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: jeremym@fraser.sfu.ca (Jeremy Thomas McDonald)
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:08:58 GMT

John.Carver@launchpad.unc.edu (John Carver) writes:


>I just saw, at a major computer store, a 486/33 machine from a major clone
>vendor advertized for $999.  This $999 price *inluded* a 15 inch monitor,
>SVGA graphics in 1024x768x8, and a 2400 modem.

>Alas I think there is no way Commodore can compete with that.  Even
>though Commodore clearly has a better, more powerful system, quality
>does *not* sell computers.  Price sells computers.

>I thought 486s would bottom out at about $1500, but they appear to have
>kept on falling in price.  Wonder where it will stop?  Although I find
>the working environments on clones unbearably primitive, you have to
>admit that a 486/33 is a lot of CPU horsepower for $999 *with* monitor.

>  John


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That's because North American users are not concerned with having fun,
and only consider the best CPU vs. price ratio.  Ever notice the only 
difference between all the IBM-compatibles/clones is CPU type?  Where
are the custom chips to make it all happen?  Oh well, price arguments
are stupid when comparing anything non-IBM compatible to anything
IBM-compatible in the US or Canada.  North American users are socially
pressured to buying IBM-compatible machines.  At least there's a large 
Amiga market in Europe.  At least Europeans know how to have a good time.

- jeremym@fraser.sfu.ca - yes, a lowly computer science student
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:55:11 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec28.151721.12729@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:

> :     He isn't pretending to be an expert at anything. The only one here
> :     pretending to be an expert is you.

> I beg to differ.  I'm not the one writing articles denouncing everything
> from Intel CPUs to Madonna.

    Since when did denouncing something mean one is pretending to be
    an expert?

> :     So why did you say, "fortunately, there are millions of people",
> :     as if that meant something? Sounds to me like you are doing a
> :     bit of double-talk on this one. Again.

> Actually, I believe it *is* fortunate.  If everyone thought like you, they'd
> all buy the same machine, and the industry would stagnate.  As bad as you may

    Ha ha ha ha ha! What has happened is that they think like YOU, and
    the industry HAS stagnated! Ha ha ha ha ha! What a funny thing to
    say.

> think Windows is, it did force Commodore to polish the WB and start thinking
> about DIG/VM.

    Where are you deriving this idea that Windows is what is making
    CBM evolve its system software? Did Marc Barrett tell you this?

> Because we were having a factual discussion, and you decided to use
> your opinions as if they were fact:
> 
> 	"Name one worthwhile PC OS with a consistent user interface."

    That was "whose applications all have a consistent UI". A somewhat
    different meaning.

> 	"Windows."
> 	"That's not a worthwhile PC OS."

    Look over what you've quoted again. It is _I_ asking for facts to
    be introduced, instead of the vague delirium going on before. And
    it is _you_, in your opinionated disagreement with that last
    sentence, who is pushing both opinions and outright lies.

    Do you categorically deny that Windows is built on top of DOS? Do
    you deny that DOS is not a worthwhile PC _OS_? Are you saying that
    the folks at IBM, backing OS/2, who say that DOS is ineffective
    for this day and age, are incorrect? Do you deny that anyone had
    their hard disks wiped out by Windows 2.x? Are you saying you
    don't need DOS installed on your PC to run Windows? Do you think
    that Microsoft themselves, who are going to move away from Windows
    to Windows NT, are wrong in their view that Windows is no longer
    worthwhile?

    Shucks, even IBM, the people who started the whole PC shebang,
    developed their OS/2 because they don't think Windows is a
    worthwhile PC OS.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: jsage@ftord.UUCP (John R. Sage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:17:01 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07qc@amicol.UUCP>, Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP
(Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Dan Stephenson <1992Dec27.014913.1416@usl.edu>
>
>"-This is from the person who hates GUIs-"  No, I -don't- hate GUIs, I hate
>Mac and Windows and NeXt -WIMP- GUIs.  I LIKE windows, multitasking, cursor
>keys, function keys, keypads, and mice have their place -- where and when
>the USER wants to use them, not the Cupertino Style/Thought Police.  I like
>to have graphics capability, sound, visualization software, etc. etc.  I do
>NOT like Microsoft Excel, in ANY of its incarnations that I've used (Mac,
>DOS, or Windows).  I was pointing out that I use my Amiga for productivity
>apps because I do -- and I include desktop publishing there.  I;ve USED
>@#*&^@#*&@Y Macs, and I hate the things -- got that, I have many hundreds
>of hours of experience using them, and I prefer to use Amigas.  I've also
>used MS-DOS and Windows machines -- again, I PREFER using Amigas.  What
>-you- think about computers does NOT necessarily apply to how -I- use the
>blasted things!  I prefer to have a lot of user interface flexibility
>--which immediately puts strikes against MS-DOS and Macintosh machines.
>Comprendez-vous?!
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!

   I use IBM, and clones at work.  IBM's do not true multitask...and Windows is
a joke.  I would like a dime for everytime I tried to multitask at work and had
the system lock.  Windows is software to make hardware do what it can't in the
first place.  I have many productivity programs for my Amiga (even though the
IBM guys say that it's just a gaming machine w/ no real useful software), which
are more user friendly, and flexibiblty is a must.  Unfortunatly, IBM does have
much more software support, but big blue was doing poorly stockwise. Maybe
there is hope for C= Amiga yet.  The 4000 my be the answer.  Time will tell.

                                  John R. Sage
                                  SPC, USA
                                  98C,98K
                                  107th MI BN(L), Ft Ord, CA   93941
                                  AFZW-MI-TCAE
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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Well, I found...
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:19:36 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Fri  2 Jan 93  7:06, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
wrote:

 DD> How can you guys stand that flicker?  Please don't tell me you 'get
 DD> used to it'.  I guess you get those add-ons, 'flicker-correctors'.

I use an accelerated Amiga 2000 ('030) and WB 2.1.  I'm always in
interlaced mode and there is hardly any flickering on my screens.  I don't
use a flixer-fixer (an add-on, much like IBM folks add on many 'cards' to
their systems).  WB 2.1 and the color combinations does a better job of not
flickering as much.

Boy, I remember when I had an Amiga 1000 with one floppy drive. I hated it.
All that swapping was a pain in the arse.  I felt it made the Amiga look
bad.  Even with two floppy drives.  To me, the Amiga is a machine whose
potential is much more realized with hard drives.

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:12:19 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>>In article <28DEC199201490807@cs.umass.edu> atkin@cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin) writes:
>>>The Amiga is doing very well in large parts of Europe. You can
>>>walk in to any bookstore in Germany or the UK and see a dozen Amiga maga-
>>> zines in the shelves (it is very uplifting - you should try it).

>In article <58064@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>Marc [Atkin] makes a good point here, folks! ...*huge* magazines written by
>>excited people.  It can be quite uplifting.

In article <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>I doubt it would uplift me.

	No surprise.  Even a construction crane couldn't uplift you.

>Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good productivity software available
>for the Amiga.

	It is astonishing how many times you have repeated this "no CD-ROM"
lie.  I've had a CD-ROM on my Amiga for *months*, and my friends had them
over a year before I did.  Just because the *particular* software *you* want
isn't available on CD-ROM doesn't mean there is "no CD-ROM."  Your leaps of
illogic make you a major contender for the 1996 Olympics.

	A little humor for all you wild and crazy logicians out there:

		The Marc Barrett Theorem

			(EXISTS x)(x) --> (FOR ALL x)(x)

		Proof:

			If it's true for one example, then (by the MB
			Theorem) it's always true.  There are TONS of
			examples. Ask anyone.

		QED

                                                        Dan
							(No relation)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:24:57 GMT

In <5147@equinox.unr.edu> jason@aspen.math.uh.edu (Jason Grimes) writes:

>I think it stands for Personal Electronic Translator.

Personal Electronic Transactor.


-- 
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       Cosysop - Threat Management Institute BBS 707 935 1713
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:27:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <BznCo8.Fs1@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>Well, so your definition of 'computer' means all that? 
>   No, but that is exactly what Commodore's competition would be if they were
>to try to get into the mid-range CD-ROM multimedia market.  All of the systems
>that Commodore would be competing against would have at least an SVGA and a
>32-bit CPU in addition to several meg of RAM, a detached keyboard, and the
>necessary CD-ROM drive.

But that wasn't what you said.  You said the CDTV is not a computer, and,
to be brief, you were wrong.


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| Worcester Polytechnic Institute ___________________________________________|
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:08:17 -0500 
From: "Edward D. Berger" <eb15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 16 cls Hires Icons
	<1992Dec23.023035.4657@usl.edu>

I finished creating a group of 16 color icons from these screen shots, 
and a few other sources, and uploaded them to amiga.physik.unizh.ch and
wuarchive.wustl.edu as 16colricon.lha.  Included is the necessary
palette file required to view them correctly.  They were created under
2.04 Amiga OS, so I am not sure if the palette is good for 3.0 machines.
They are all for 640x400 type screens, and I changed some of them into
4 color icons for my own use.

-Ed Berger
eb15@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Questions about new
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:13:56 GMT

In article <3031120a6d@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
>> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>> Message-ID: <C022K5.B2w@news.iastate.edu>
>> Newsgroups:
>> comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.a
>> vocacy
>>
>>   No.  The chipsets in the A4000 and A1200 are surface-mounted. They
>> cannot be replaced.
>
>They  WILL  be  able  to  be "replaced" by way of RTG, which Commodore *IS*
>working  on.  And since they ARE working on this, there is no reason not to
>put  at least the high-end chipset onto a Zorro III card.  And even if they
>dont,  you'll  be  able  to use something just as good or better from third
>party companies.

   With RTG, will these third-party product completely replace the chipsets?
As in, will they do everything that the chipsets can do, like copper lists?

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:55:18 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <C05vFC.IIv@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.191959.9373@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>  
>> I don't think you mean databases
>>as we do have several different Superbase-versions.
> 
>    Is SuperBase even still supported?  I don't think it is.  But even if it
> is still being supported, does it have the up-to-date features available on
> databases on Mac or IBM, such as dynamic-linking (called "hotlinking")?




SuperBase is still being supported and upgraded, Marc. Oxxi just came
out with several new versions a couple of months ago including a version
with network support. I'm not sure if they added hot-linking yet but
I'm sure they will sooner or later. Oxxi has an agreement with 
Software Publishing (the people who bought Superbase for Windows)
that allows Oxxi access to the code for the Windows version so that
Oxxi can keep the Amiga version compatible. Oxxi has even licensed 
HiSoft in England to port the Amiga version of SuperBase to the Atari ST.


                           Scott Corley

 
spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:16:14 GMT

In article <1h56fnINNbtc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jdutka@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>In article <BzLGBw.J22@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) whines:
>>>You mean the CDTV (A500)?
>>   The CDTV isn't a computer.  Commodore said so.
>
>Emphasis on the word SAID.  Since they seem to be marketing this nice little
>package called the professional bundle, which includes a keyboard, mouse, and
>disk drive, with WorkBench 1.32, and I'm typing this on a CDTV now, it seems
>to be a computer to me.  Deal.

   When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.
How does your "professional" CDTV measure up in this regard?

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:54:13 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1i74VB2w164w@admiral.uucp> andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio) writes:
>andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>Whew! Never thought I'd see a CBM'er let Marc have it. And boy did you. 

Well, I'm not with CBM any more (though I do occasional consulting
for them) so I can speak my mind a bit more.  Marc is certainly
a waste of time;  every once in a while I take him out of my kill
file.

>What amazes me is that Marc has stayed on this long. I mean, I saw the 

I don't think you can count him as 'here'.  He probably doesn't buy
Amiga hardware or software, and certainly doesn't contribute
to the Amiga community (unless you count his campaign to keep WordPerfect
off the Amiga as a 'contribution'.)

>writing on the wall, thanks to work, and bailed. I gave one good shot at 
>CBM management that I'd been dying to say, and now I've got a 486/33 to 
>play with. I'd rather have my 3000, but let's face it; when it comes to 
>expensive computer hardware, this is one time where you go with the 
>crowd. When I see Sierra, SSI, and EA (Origin included) all dropping 

The 1200 is probably a going to be a big success.  That will probably
change things.  (BTW, where'd you hear EA was dropping the Amiga ?
That doesn't match with what I've heard)

>support within 2 weeks, I have to get the feeling something is wrong. And 
>I still think 3DO will be the end of Amiga.

Your last statement implies you have knowledge of 3DO.  Care to
fill in details to support it ?

>andyp%admiral.uucp@yale.edu (Andy Patrizio) <yale!admiral!andyp>

			andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:27:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>The Gateway system is nice for a PC,but it's still a PC with all that entails
'>Poor graphics and sound, as well as a misguided user community. 

	Depends on what you are doing with it.  It certainly doesn't have poor
   graphics and sound to me.  Why are PC users misguided by the way?

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Philip McDunnough
'>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Clipboards
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Dec 92 19:52:09 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Workbench 3.0/ AmigaDOS 3.0 make the "clipboards" a lot more obvious than
1.3 and possible 2.0 did [don't have 2.0.  From the day I bought my 500 I
said that the next machine I was going to buy had to have a 32 bit bus,
which the 3000 does not have (the coprocessors are still 16 bit I/O there)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:03:01 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

The concept of a GUI and its initial design was not a "Mac" thing,
not an "Amiga" thing, and certainly not an "IBM" thing. The concept
came from Xerox, and so did some initial implementation. This was
developed by Xerox at their advanced research center.

You may ask how I came about this information. It is simple. I work in the
building that used to be their 'advanced research center'. They have since
gone...

So enough of this idle bickering about who had the GUI first...
From now on do some research kiddies....

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