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From: j_obeid@pavo.concordia.ca (OBEID, JIHAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Seminar on Bosnia
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:33:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



In The Name of Allah, The Merciful, The Compassionate.

SEMINAR & VIDEO PRESENTATION ON
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Speakers:  Zafar Bangash, Editor of "Crescent International"

	       A Bosnian Eyewitness to the massacres.

		Followed by a panel discussion.

Time    :  6:30 - 9:30 pm
Date    :  Friday the 20th, November, 1992.
Place   :  Concordia University - 1455 De Maisonneuve O.
		Room H-937, 9th floor.

Organized by :  Students' Association For Muslim Awareness(SAMA)
in collaboration with : The Italian Students' Association (I.S.A.)
				of Concordia University.
"Al-Etehad atoulabi lel-tawe'yh El-esslamieh"


From: j_obeid@pavo.concordia.ca (OBEID, JIHAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Bosnia, Seminar & Video Presentation
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:29 -0500
Distribution: world
Keywords:  

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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Independance Day
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:00:28 GMT



I guess wishes of a Happy Independance Day are due on this 22nd day of November.


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 15:54:35 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian/Israeli Military control

Actually, the question should read:

In ten years from now, how likely is Lebanon going to be there ?


Nasri

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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:09:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.105946.14891@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:

>This theologian once sat by the shore trying to understand the misteries of
the
>world and GOd. untill one little child came to the shore and dug a little
whole
                                                                     hole
^^^^^^
>in the sand and ran back and fro with a small apil putting water in this
whole.
                                                                      hole^^^^^
>THe theologian came to this child, for the child was very eagre in his work.
>The man asked the child what are you doing? the child said, I am emptiying the
>sea into this whole. The man excalimed: but hgow can you enpty this very large
          hole^^^^^^
>sea into this little whole?! Then the child looked at him and said: and how do
                  hole^^^^^
>you with your little head intend to understand the almighty?
>


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: pluralism
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:32:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.135316.8641@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
("I.Ballouz") writes:

>You see I am trying to think of any country in the civilised world that has a
>senate that does not pass laws unless it is 100% approved, I can't think of
any,
>do you know any such country?
>
>With all the sub-cutural diversity we have in Lebanon, it is impossible to get
>any Law passed by the senate with 100% majority. We have to acknowledge that
>we have differences and I beleive that this 100% majority is an obstacle.

The senat will have the job of making sure that all laws encated by the
parliament are contitutional. THe question of VETO comes whe the contitution
itself is being modified.

As faras the daily issues that parliament and the government will have to deal
with, they will work on a majority basis as in any other country.

>I accept Democracy and I don't accept the VETO or the 100% senate majority.
>I beleive that giving an equal weight to everybody back home will do us good.
>Democracy will allow us to overcome the "fear" barriers.

I think that we use the word democracy loosely. THere are many types of
democracy, and not all are as democratic or as suitable.

We should look at suitabiblity, as well as justice. Democracy for me is not
giving one community/ group an advantage over another. THis can be done in many
ways, which we can discuss.

>I don't like this VETO thing and I don't like this 100% majority. I beleive 
>in learning from experience. People decide, if the government is good then the

>country benefits. If the government is bad, soon the people learn how to chose
>a better one. 
>
>We can reduce the period of presidency from 6 to 4 years or less and give the
>people a chance to change their government more often if there is a need.
>We learnt from the past period that nothing should be kept sacred. Everything
>must be subjected to the will of people an the system must evolve by these
>democratic means. Every issue can be put to test, education, civil rights...
>all of these will be tried and kept or rejected according to their goodness
>to us.

It is clear that "us" is not the same thing for all. I do not want to make our
differences look like an unbridgable gap. But there are serious differences and
we should take them into consideration. There can not be system in Lebanon by
which one group (by which ever criteria) can decide against the wishes of the
other group. THis will be a better basis for stability and trust in LEbanon
rather than a numerical democracy whcih will declench a demagocial war at once.

>VETO and 100% will be damaging to the normal evolution of the political and
>social system in the country.

VETO on contitutional reform and issues that are long term and that irrevocably
engage th whole country.

>I. Ballouz

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:15:47 GMT

 (Hani Abinassif) writes:

>We need more Mayyadas, Wardas and Fairouzes:-)

Not necessarily in that order :).

Samir.
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From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Suggestion
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:36:53 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov15.205414.6417@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
>Hi
>
>Yesterday I was thinking, since CLAO is so close to
>Governor/President-elect Clinton, can they persuade him to lift the ban
>on tickets that have Lebanon on them. Currently, American airline
>carriers are not able to schedule or book any flight that passes through
>or terminates in Lebanon. This leads us Lebanese to have seperate
>tickets from US to Europe and from Europe to Lebanon. SOmetimes we even
>have tickets marked Damascus and then we have to convince the people at
>the transit airposrt that the policy exists in US that's why I am going
>to Beirut althouh my ticket shows Damascus. (It happened to me while
>travelling through Egypt, the guy would not put my passport with the
>transit people to Lebanon, insted he put it with those going to Damascus
>and not up to 30 minutes before the flight I could not convince anybody
>that I am booked for Lebanon and not Damascus).
>
>So can ElieM convey that suggestion to CLAO to use their "connections"
>to lift that ban ? It will make the life of many of us less miserable
>when we want to fly home and will make our choices for tickets to Lebaon
>broader and thus better.
>
>rached

I second Rached.
But lets wait till January.
He's already getting 300(0) letters per day from special interest groups :-)...
(or something like that)

Regards, Elie.

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From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: LEBANON'S PRIME MINISTER BUILDS UP MEDIA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:04:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.004355.17288@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
> 
> Sounds like Robert Maxwell, next thing he ends up dead and his family broke.
> :-)
> 
 Everybody eill die Elie sonner or later. However you look like very jealous 
and that is good. If it bothers you that he is buying newspaper, it is good.
if it bothers you that he is the legitimate PM, it is good.
if it bothers you the the $ price in lebanon is lower, since he became a PM, it
is very good.


> Regards, Elie.
A. Fardoun
> 
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From: hayek@eemips.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:27:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Nov19.012725.12486
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <nabeel.722053954@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Normand Arthur Beeline) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.192154.9039@tamsun.tamu.edu> kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek) writes:
>
>" Multiplicity as you think of it, as Three Gods in One in the Christian dogma
>" does not exist. They are all a manifestation of the same power. 
>" You can either accept this for the profundity of it, or keep digging around
>" it for centuries for lack of a more productive argument.
>
>   Recently, it was realised that religions are masterpieces of bedtime
>stories albeit boring ones. (Probably they're meant for those over 50 or 
>something.) I am thinking of introducing excitement into traditional
>religions, how'ld ya like that?
>
>*norm* 
>      Tell me more, tell me more!
>                         From Summer Nights (JT & ONJ)
>                                                      *norm*
>
>

Actually, my friend, rather than being bedtime stories, religions are more 
a record of the cultural and historical evolution of civilization. Every 
religion is colored to some extent by the history and values of the society
in which it originated, some more than others, to the extent that some 
religions are almost exclusive and closed, and others are almost universal.
For example in southeast Asia, it is not uncommon to find people who 
worship at Bhuddist and Hindu shrines, or in Japan, you can find a lot of
Zen Bhuddists who are also Shintos. 
Religions, espescially those that survived over dozens of centuries, like
the Three Levantine religions, Hinduism and Bhuddism, contain, whether
explicitly or implicitly, an enormous and beautiful amount of information
about the daily life, trade, moral systems, social politics etc. of their
respective native societies, and reducing them to the status of bedtime
stories is a wasting of a good thing. 

-Khalil


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From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:14:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu


In article <BxsJuC.JwE@ecf.toronto.edu>, fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
>  (Hani Abinassif) writes:
> 
> >We need more Mayyadas, Wardas and Fairouzes:-)
> 
> Not necessarily in that order :).
> 
> Samir.
> -- 

I'll take them in any order they come:-)

As long as we try some new doses of cultural entertainment
now and then:-) enough of this shaheed bussiness..:-)
-Hani
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From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:21:11 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu


In article <92320.230523U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>, Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
[...]
> I hope this will make it clearer to many of you.
> 

I think it crystal clear now.  Thank you for enlightening us:-)

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Nasri,

-Hani
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From: AHMADAS@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
 ===============================================================================
 im@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ibrahim M. M. Babelli) writes:
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:21:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England


 [stuff deleted]

 =Will you enlighten us about "Jizya", which was a religious tax extracted from
 =Non-Muslims by the Islamic Mughal empire which ruled over parts present-day
 =India, Pakistan and Afghanistan in the name of Islam ?

 ="Jizya" I believe is an Urdu word but I'm not sure how to say it in Arabic.

 [stuff deleted]

 Here is my Cent worth of opinion.

 The law that was applied in islamic states when "Jizya" was charged to the
 non muslims is interesting. Let us examen it with thorough eye:

 As men and women who lived in the state (the islamic state for this case)
 they had to contribute to the ways of expenditure that the state needed to
 sustain as much as possible a balanced society. Muslims paid alms or charity
 "zakaat", whereas non-muslims paid "Jizya". If you compare the figures for
 the two methods of taxation, jizya or zakaat, you will see that zakaat was
 slightly higher. For the most part, that is to my knowledge, jizya was used
 for civil projects and for defense purposes. The question as to why non-muslim
 should pay tax (jizya) to a muslim state is ill posed. I, not being American,
 pay taxes for the American Federal Government as long as I stay, live in
 and earn money in the United States.

 As for the rest of your letter, I wish not to address it for lack of
 knowledge on my part.

 im


>>
Can I add the following question?  What the kind of *TAX* do the
Non-muslems within an Islamic state like to contribute to?
Do they like to give AL Zakaat for instance?
<<
ahmad
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From: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Mayyada, Warda and Fairuz (in this order)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 01:41:46 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@civil4.engin.umich.edu


 (Bulbul) writes:
[....]
[....]
> 
> ** 'ana kil ma bshOfak ka'iNi bshOfak la'aWil maRa .habIbi
>    'ana kil ma twiDa^na ka'iNa twiDa^na la'A.kir maRa .habIbi
>    'iLI .hkIli 'i.hna mIn w laysh imnitlaFat .kayfIn
                ^^^^^^^^
>    w min mIn .kayfIn?
>                                --Fairuz

Oooops...You sound like an Eygptian or a Palestinian singing as Fairuz:-)
'i.hna==> nihna:-)

> [It's all from DRAM, so apologies for mistakes especially
> that Warda and Fairuz are outside my field of specialisation!]

In any case, thanks for the melodies:-)...I guess your specialty is
Mayada:-)  Keep on rock'in N roll'in:-)

-Hani  

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From: ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun)
Subject: ``My Countrymen'' - By Gibran Khalil Gibran (Part 5)
Keywords: Your country quakes
Organization: Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:51:35 GMT

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@             My Countrymen (Part 5)                    @
@                                                       @
@       [ ...]                                          @
@       What do you desire, My Countrymen?              @
@       Do you wish for me to show you                  @
@       The ghost of your countenance on                @
@       The face of still water? Come,                  @
@       Now, and see how ugly you are!                  @
@                                                       @
@       Look and meditate! Fear has                     @
@       Turned your hair grey as the                    @
@       Ashes, and dissipation has grown                @
@       Over your eyes and made them into               @
@       Obscured hollows, and cowardice                 @
@       Has touched your cheeks that now                @
@       Appear as dismal pits in the                    @
@       Valley, and Death has kissed                    @
@       Your lips and left them yellow                  @
@       As the Autumn leaves.                           @
@                                                       @
@       What is it that you seek, My                    @
@       Countrymen? What ask you from                   @
@       Life, who does not any longer                   @
@       Count you among her children?                   @
@                                                       @
@       Your souls are freezing in the                  @
@       Clutches of the priests and                     @
@       Sorcerers, and your bodies                      @
@       Tremble between the paws of the                 @
@       Despots and the shedders of                     @
@       Blood, and your country quakes                  @
@       Under the marching feet of the                  @
@       Conquering enemy; what may you                  @
@       Expect even though you stand                    @
@       Proudly before the face of the                  @
@       Sun? Your swords are sheathed                   @
@       With rust, and your spears are                  @
@       Broken, and your shields are                    @
@       Laden with gaps; why, then, do                  @
@       You stand in the field of battle?               @
@                                                       @
@                            ``The Prophet of Lebanon'' @
@       [ to be continued ]                             @
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-- 
lakum lubnanukum wa li lubnani - Gibran Khalil Gibran
George Hassoun     (ghassoun@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@green.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Middle East Water Issues
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:16 GMT

Hi
I picked up the following article from SCA, it may be of interest to some here
since the issue of Litani and Israel stealing some of its water could be
discussed there.

rached


--------------------------Picked up Article--------------------------

Article: 7963 of soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:49:08 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Subject: A new list


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