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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,news.groups
Subject: Re: Comp.binaries.apple2 moderation: why not?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:39:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul23.171438.15509@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
>In article <9vgm8dc.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>>What makes you sure it's moderation that has destroyed the MS-DOS
>>>binaries group?
>>
>>Try reading the .d group. It was really rather amusing.
>
>Great answer. Thanks a lot.

My pleasure. :^)  Seriously, there is nothing but a lot of bickering.
But there is a clear consensus that zip should be used, and I am not
sure why it has not been implemented. I lost interest before figuring
it out. But this is a prime example of the value of poor/bad moderation.
Not that I think the proposed moderators (that I know of) are poor. But
I have seem many good things go bad in the past.
 
>>>3) What (inappropriate) questions have I asked?
>>
>>As the proposal is to -add- moderation, the appropriate thing to do
>>is give reasons for moderation. Asking "why not" completely misses the
>>target. And even if there were no good reasons why not, that would not
>>be a reason for moderation.
>
>Hm. I thought the charter is full of 'for' reasons...

These are all that count for a plus vote. Many (myself included) think
that most (if not all) reasons are weak, and even together, that they
are not strong enough to weigh in favor of moderation.
 
>>Great. More than that, from a post I read yesterday, you seem to be
>>a backup (whatrever) moderator. Although I think that having some
>>fimiliarity with posting and it's problems would be essential for
>>a moderator of the binaries group. 
>
>No way. I refuse to be a moderator, if somebody really has proposed
>that. I'm totally unreliable, due to my special condition.

It is hard to find someone who can moderate reliably. And then they
get married or something, and have no time for it.

There have been to many moderator changes alluded to, but not announced,
for my tastes. Do we find out after the vote? 

>-- 
>-Tero Sand
>  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 6-1
>  (if that doesn't work, try                    Nordenskioldinkatu 20
>   cust_ts@kruuna.helsinki.fi)                  00250 Helsinki 25, Finland

Rich

payner@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: memory on the GS (was:Re: multi-tasking GNO)
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:59:38 GMT

toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
>unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:

>> Hey, people that got the Apple Memory Card are lucky.. (after Apple
>>realized their grave error).  Living with just 256K on a GS for a long time 
>>is a pain. (Tass Times in ToneTown is the only 'major' GS specific program
>>that works in 256K that I can think of).

>And Silent Service...which was why I bought it (I couldn't be convinced that
>>256k was necessary for a long time...after all, my //c had only had 128k!).
>There were a couple of others, too...Silent Service was probably the best,
>though.

And I took it upon myself to completely rewrite the inCider program
BasicPaint, paying close attention to the minimal IIgs memory
configuration.  It gives 320 x 200 x 256colors x 4screens, and was coded
mostly in AppleSoft BASIC, since I knew what stuff it messed with, and
what else I could do with as I will.  (I had more extra memory
available, I just chose not to use it!  I liked having /RAM5 available
on my 1 3.5", 1 5.25" system.  Still do.)

Of course, it did break several rules, and most likely would give GS/OS
a severe cerebral embolism, but it did what I wanted!

>Marc Sira               |
>toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
| |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
 \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
     \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
       `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."
From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Those .tar.Z files!! And what they produce (DDos in particular)
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:06:17 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Jul23.095042.28241@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>
>I have been struggling with an older file fro a couple hours now,
>and I think it's time to "ask the net".
>
>I ftp'ed the file ddos.tar.Z from f.ms.uky.edu (yes, I used binary
>transfer).  On my unix site I was able to uncompress the thing
>to the resulting file ddos.tar and eventually un-tarred it using 
>tar -xf ddos.tar
>
>which resulted in a directory ddos and four files: ddos1 ddos2
>ddos3 and ddos4.
>
>
>Okay, now I have downloaded the four files to my GS at home. The files
>are in binary format, but upon viewing them they seem to be some sort
>of self extracting thingie.  THis is what it looks like:
>
>CALL-151
>E00:38 A5 FF D0 32 D8 20 8E FD AD 30 BF 8D 6A 0E 20 00 BF C7 6D 0E 0D 80 02
>E18:D0 1D 20 00 BF C5 69 0E B0 15 AD 81 02 29 0F AA E8 8E 80 02 A9 2F 8D 81
>E30:02 20 00 BF C6 6D 0E A2 08 B0 0E 20 00 BF C3 70 0E B0 06 A2 26 20 53 0E
>E48:AA 20 53 0E 4C D0 03 20 ED FD E8 BD 59 0E D0 F7 60 A0 F3 E1 F6 E5 E4 8D
[cut]

>Anyway, I cannot figure out what to do to extract this file on
>my GS.  Brunning it tells me "Buffers Not Available".
>
>Help, what am I supposed to do??  (I suspect it may be a DOS 3.3
>program and not ProDOS.  Am I correct?)

Don't know what it is, but you should EXECute them ("-" works too).
First, however, you should change the file type to TXT.
-- 
-Tero Sand
  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 6-1
  (if that doesn't work, try                    Nordenskioldinkatu 20
   cust_ts@kruuna.helsinki.fi)                  00250 Helsinki 25, Finland
From: grover@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU (Grover Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Out of This World
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:47:00 GMT

Well, I was at the Kansasfest Expo, and Bill Heineman was showing off his
latest game "Out of This World"  which should be released shortly for the
Super-NES and IIGS.

It looks pretty neat, almost real-life kind of animations.  You control
a character, who basically runs around avoiding being killed.  Bill also
mentioned that by programming the SuperNintendo correctly, conversions to
the GS are made much much easier.  (I wouldn't expect an avalanche of
games, though).

Also on display was Time Lord by DreamWorld, sort of a neat Ultima style
adventures-within-the-adventure kind of game.  A young fellow named Mike
Lutynski was showing his soon-to-be-released animation program "Anamasia"
which does real-time animation on 2-D or 3-D objects.  In fact, you can
even import AutoCAD DXF objects and use them.

After all the discussion bantering about how the GS can't use more than
one program at time, those sneaky fellows from Procyon announced thier
"Switch-It!" program, which loads mutliple 16-bit desktop programs ans
allows you to move easily between them, much like LeapFrog, but not
trying to run in the background. (Tim Meekins, thanks for showing this
one to me.)

Other nifty products worth mentioning: Lunar Production's "Foundation",
which is a pretty powerful resource tool, ECON Technology's Pegasus
internal hard drives (these are NICE, folks!!) and "Universe Master"
hard drive utilities and file management software, Roger Wagner's
HyperStudio, which is much more powerful than I thought, Pick'N'Pile
game by Procyon, and for educators I really liked Kitchen Sink's
"Amazing Window Gradesheet" (plus their "accudraw" bluprint and
design software, which obliterates Design Your Own Home).

I probably missed a few things, but these are the ones I recall the
best, and impressed me the most.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 80 column screen quality
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:42:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <jpenne.711789766@ee.ualberta.ca>, jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca 
(Jerry Penner) writes..\.
> 
>Can't agree with this though.  MSDOS machines all have crisper looking
>text on any modern video card/monitor combination.  It is easier to
>read by a long shot.  I do agree though that their choice of font
>could be better.

  Well I was comparing with the text-font on my ancient IBM XT! :)  More
modern MSDOS machines have a larger and better defined ASCII character 
set. Still don't forgot the ASCII text built-in on the IIgs just it emulating
an Apple //e, and it's standard 80-columns text.

>I also really like the fact that each character can
>have a difference foreground and background color.  Apple should have
>done this on the IIgs (but there would go the compatibility).
>--

  Under normal conditions, no, although you can do something simular with
an Apple IIgs's text display. Each row of text can have a different foreground
and background color. In fact you can even split the colors three or four times
on the same line to have a characters with three shades of green for example.
You can only changes colors horizontially as far as I know, so there's no way
to have rainbow-colored text going arcoss a text screen.
  You can see examples of color splitting technics in many of DreamWorld 
Software productions. (At first glace it looks like SHR graphics, not text!)

It'd be interested if someone wrote a (limited) color-ANSI emulator using those
technics with the GS's colored text!  It's even possible to mix Super-Hi-Res
graphics with regular ASCII text on the same screen....


>Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca

Mitchell Spector
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: mccla_d@aesc.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Noisetracker Vamps Posts Toasted?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:38:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: aesc.MCCLA_D.92Jul28113844
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

A few days ago I posted a message from Dr. Tom, author of the Vamps series
of Noisetracker mods and psychoacousitc effects. Our news went down in the
mean time, and I don't know if they appeared. I also posted Vamps Jukebox #2
to c.b.a2.

has anyone seen these or should I repost them?


-=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=-
>%> Dennis McClain-Furmanski        internet: mccla_d@cs.odu.edu     <%<
>%> Clinical Psychology             AOL: Dynasoar01@AOL.COM          <%<
>%> Old Dominion University         New Beginnings @ Serenity Lodge  <%<
>%> Norfolk, VA, USA, Earth, etc    Chesapeake, VA    800-444-9166   <%<
-=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=--=<+|+>=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Re: unpacking .hqx TrueType fonts with GScii & GSHK 1.06
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:22:18 GMT

In article <uerics.711706021@mcl> uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:
>You're right, I think.  StuffIt has a couple of different compression
>formats, and different versions of StuffIt work differently.  ShrinkIt
>doesn't handle all of them...
>
>Eric D. Shepherd     | ACM Member | Apple II Alliance Charter Member | 

I believe that shrinkit can handle StuffIt 1.51 but not the newer StuffIt
Deluxe format.

--
From: brianh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Brian Huddleston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Hints on Shadowgate
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:00:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Did any of you gaming geniuses out there ever play a game for the GS
(or any other machine for that matter, I think they had a version for
the Mac) called Shadowgate the port for the GS was by ICOM Simulations.
Anyway I was wondering:

1)  How do you get to the opening in the celing in the room with the silver
	arrow?  When I try to climb up on the ledge it crumbles.

2)  How do you get past the avalanche?

3)  How do you cross the rickety bridge?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.  I'm currently just wandering
around wasting torches.

brianh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Ensoniq II
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:35:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon Jul 27 92 at 06:57:06 (EST)

I once before asked for the specs on this beast (beast?), but recieved no
answer :(.  So once again I am asking for the specs on this thing if anyone
has them.  I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks. :)

---------------------------------------------
ncp                          ncp@gnh-cathouse
                             ncp@gnh-starport
---------------------------------------------
From: dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProLine 2.0
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:02:38 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

In <1992Jul25.031730.27124@crash.cts.com>
ba556@gnh-digibits.cts.com (Matthew McGehrin) writes:

>David Green wrote :
> 
>>I recently was at Morgan's office to proofread the operator's manual
>>for ProLine 2.0. ProLine _ISN'T_ being discontinued. There is another
>>BBS called Prime, I believe, that has just been turned into a public
>>domain program. It appears you got your rumors crossed. I'd watch that
>>if I were you.
> 
>Watch out..another proline cop is on patrol..protecting nazi germany
>from invasion. 

Nope, just a journalist who prefers to see facts printed, rather than 
unresearched, inaccuarate rumors and innuendos.

By the way, does the ba in your address stand for Bad Attitude or 
Bull**** Artist?

dcg

===========================================
David Green      dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com
-------------------------------------------
     System Operator of Pro-Harold BBS
   "Moral Support For Intelligent Sorts"
===========================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: multi-tasking GNO
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:46:49 PST
Organization: BBS

Thanx for the info about bank 0 stuff.  

>   Bank 0 memory is required by _any_ program on the IIgs; it's the only
> bank where stack and direct page space can be accessed by the processor.
> Thus, it's use is very important.

>   Nope, not unlimited- up to 32.  If they all use 1K of stack, you might
> be able to squeeze them in.  Otherwise, a more realistic number is
> five to ten.  It's an unfortunate situation, but we're stuck by this
> bit of short-sightedness of the 816s designer.

I remember reading from ORCA manuals about the new Finder allocate 4k of
stack... but I guess switching among 3 or 4 application is still not
impossible, right?

I still don't understand about "where stack and direct pate space can be access
by the processor"... little more detail?!

btw, does every NDA, CDev require some stack from bank 0?

Thanx.

frank m. lin
internet: fmlin@terapin.com
symmetrix...
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From: chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Dump Screen to File CDA!!!! EMERGENCY!!!!
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:33:21 GMT

If you have this CDA, the one that takes what's on the screen and
dumps it to a file, I am in desparate need of it.

If you have it, it's very important that I get it.  So, just .shk it,
bsc it and send that puppy this way!!!!

Don't worry about asking...it's a really small file.

Thanks.

Amrit

(*) The Institute for the Learning Sciences @@ Northwestern University (*)
() chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu -- Amrit Chauhan  () My rolling stone has
() (708) 467-1976 -- The Zoo                       () gathered moss....
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kjs39186@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Plague )
Subject: Re: unZip and/or unArc for the Apple //
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:38:10 GMT

antioch@desire.wright.edu writes:

>I'm looking for a utility to unZIP and/or unARC text files for the Apple // or
>//GS.  Is there such a thing?  MattKelly@antioc.antioch.edu

Check out tybalt.caltech.edu  pub/appleii/utils

I use PMPUnzip from there.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women."
				-Quint (From "Jaws")
		kjs39186@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Changing the default color of the folder in Sys 6.0
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:44:33 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <2A73E8F4.24561@ics.uci.edu> jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw) writes:
>
>I have a question for all the system 6.0 wizards out there:
>
>How do I change the default folder color (yellow) in 6.0 to something else?
>
>In A2-Central (Vol. 8, No.4) it states that "change the byte at offset +65 in
>the finder resource with type $C001 and ID 1.  Change the $E0 to whatever you
>want (the first digit is the default folder foreground color, and the low
>nibble is for the outline color)..."
>
>Okay, I have tried this, and it doesn't work for me.  This was how I went about
>things:  Using Foundation v1.0(b7?), I loaded up the Finder resouce, and
>type $C001 was caled "Rect List".  There is only 1 item under this type
>(ID #1).  I then open up this item, and went into the HexEdit mode.  I was
>unable to find any occurance of $E0, in fact, at offset +65, the hex was $DD,
>not $E0.
>
>Any ideas?  If possible, would someone also please tell me which color is
>represented by which hex?

Two problems:  The +065 should actually be +067.  (This was my fault--I
submitted the procedure to A2-Central, and I was staring at some Rez
source code to come up with the value...I didn't allow for the 2-byte
count word that Rez supplies automatically.)

The second thing is that you seem to be counting the offset in Hex.
The 67 is a decimal number, which in hex is $43 (start at the top left,
go 4 rows down, and three bytes over).  (If you try $65 or $67, you
do indeed find a $DD, part of the default blue desktop pattern, not
the folder color byte.)
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Amiga.FST
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:04:10 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

[Snip...]

>>Emplant is a Mac emulator that claims it will emulate a color Mac.  It should
>>be shipping in the next 2 weeks.
> Make up your mind. First you say AmaxII+ and now it's Jim Drew's Emplant.

I didn't make the post about Amax.  I've used the latest version... I know it
isn't color.

> Emplant would indeed be a very impressive product, probably worth getting
> an Amiga for if Jim's description of it holds water. I don't want to say
> anything against it, but as you very well know it is still vapourware. No
> reviews, no reports by people who have tested even a prototype. All we have
> is UU's word.

Well, in this case I think I'll take his word for it... some of the first
rumors about the emplant were started by a beta tester.

>>>>Remember,  Amiga is going to release a new computer within a ye
[snip...]

>>> I would suggest you get your facts straight before making any decisions at
>>> all w.r.t. computer purchasing.
>>The 500 is being retired and replaced, as is the 2000.
>>A new high end machine is also in the works.
>>If you don't think so I can show you programs that activate the new graphics
>>modes.  (not that it will do you any good)
> 
> Well they still sell both the A500 and the A2000 where I work. There are all
> kinds of rumours re higher end Amiga's. What we have seen so far are consumer
> products like the A600, CDTV, etc...[ which I happen to like.].

Well, that *is* the largest market... especially in Europe.  Last year they
sold more C64s than they had ever sold in a year.  I think they want to turn
some of those sales into Amiga sales.
That doesn't mean faster machines aren't on the way or upgrades to the OS.
At least one version of 2.1 was making the rounds with pirates.

>Philip McDunnough
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ct54143@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: ** FOR SALE: Apple //gs **
Summary: Apple //gs for sale - RESPOND IN MAIL ONLY, Please
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:42:21 GMT
Keywords: for sale 

APPLE IIe OWNERS / USERS : Are you looking to upgrade to the top-of-the-line
Apple //, the Apple //gs? Even if you don't already own a //, here's your
chance to own the most powerful Apple //, ever!

FOR SALE :

o   Apple //gs System 
	- ROM 01 CPU
	- Apple RGB Monitor
	- AE Ram Card - 1.75meg - Is DMA Compatible.
	- Apple 3.5" Disk
	- Clone 5.25" Disk
	- AE Conserver
	- Keyboard (ADBs are perfect) + Mouse
	- Brand New Power Supply
	- All 6 System 6.0 disks included.
	- The complete Orca/C development system w/manual.

o   Zip GS  9mhz/32k Accelerator card. This computer is faster than a Mac LC.

o   Sonic Blaster Stereo/Sampling Card w/software

o   Apple II High Speed SCSI Card

o   Most of the Apple //gs Technical Library :
	- Toolbox 1,2 - Bindings are still perfect! - 
	- Toolbox 3 - 
	- GS/OS Ref - 
	- Hardware (old + new) / Firmware refs - 

Optional (i.e. if you buy the above, and for an extra cost) :

o   105 Meg Quantum EPS 12ms SCSI hard drive (external). Extremely fast and
    totally stocked with the software you would need for you Apple //gs. 

----

This totally decked out Apple //gs system costs $2221 at Quality Computers,
NOT INCLUDING SOFTWARE!  

Asking price  --------------------------------------------   $1250 / obo.

This computer is in very good shape and is completely Apple // compatible! Sorry, I am not ready to break up the system at this time - so DON'T send
mail asking me to. I am asking $300 for the optional hard disk and am firm
on that price. Must be sold by September 1, 1992.

o  Please respond via e-mail or phone.

	- Chris Trimble
	  ct54143@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
	  708/381-7207 - There is an answering machine.

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