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From: gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:27:35 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <9209101300.AA05389@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu>, asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.064448.4185@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> you write:
>>gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud) writes:
>>
>>>In article <avalon.715878054@coombs>, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>>
>>>If you recall, at the battle of Vo Mimbre it was a wolf who uncovered the orb
>>>that was placed in the shield, causing Torak to cringe and be stuck with a
>>>sword.  BTW, how did the orb get placed in the shield in the first place?
>>>After all there was no one around who could touch it.
> 
> THEORY:
> 
> Remember that the Orb is fairly intelligent.  Perhaps it was possible to
> explain to it that it needed to get to the battle, and maybe it let Brand
> touch it, only to transport it.

I have two theories:

One:  Since Poledra was the child of light at the time, maybe she put the orb
on the shield.  If she was "physical" enough to remove the cover, she could
have place the orb there in the first place.

Two: Belgarath and Polgara were keeping the rivan line hiden at the time.
They could have snuck one of them into the castle and had him do the orb
shifting.  

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From: svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema)
Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 00:45:38 GMT

HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:

>> 	Other favorite authors are: Raymond Feist, Robert Jordan,
>> Tolkein (of course), Kurtz, Kerr, Glen Cook, Steven Brust, ...
>> and the list continues.  I'm always looking for new authors, so
>> suggestions are welcome.
>> 
>You simply have to read some of  Stephen Donaldson's books.  All the main
>characters are flawed, emotional cripples, making it far more interesting
>reading and character interaction.  Also, for the best fantasy writer, better
>than Eddings, mind you, is David Gemmel, a British author.  Cheers.

And just for some fun, light reading read Phyllis (Sp?) Eisenstein.
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From: slp66@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Garion's future--Belgarion the Great
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:40:18 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Somewhere in the Mallorean series I think that Eddings gives a clue about
Garion's future.  In King of the Murgos,(pg 1) the prolog is taken from volume 
IV of "The Lives of Belgarion the Great."  

Now, from this, I am thinking that:  

1)  Garion is known (in the future) to the world as Belgarion the Great.  

2)  Garion must have done something to have earned this distinction.  And,
while fighting the Child of Dark was a key role, most of his companions just
refer to that as rather a mundane happening along the way.  

3)  Note that in Guardians of the West, Belgarath jumps down Garion's throat
for tampering with the weather.  In a screaming rage tells Garion not to touch
the weather until he has studied for at least 2000 years.  This seems to
indicate that Belgarath thinks Garion will be around for quite a while.  

4)  Now, Garion's daughters will be Dryad as well.  They ain't gonna age much. 
NOw, his son and the male line will.

5)  Now, about aging.  Belgarath discoered the Will and the Word at about. oh,
15 years of age.  Sure, he has aged...but is still described as quick, fast,
youthfull, and having very good musule tone.  (remember when he dives into the
lake and finds the old hiding place of the Sardion?)  He may look old...but I
think he is very young in that he seems to have the body of a good 20 year old.
 
And sure, Polgara is only 4000 years old, but for a clue as to how the women
age, look at Poldara.  She is about 6000 years old (I may be off a bit
here...correct me if I'm wrong).  She hasn't aged past, say, 30 (in
appearance).  I don't think that the women age past their prime.  Men do but
only in facial appearance.  

6)  As to an heir?  Garion is a good King...but very uncomfortable with the
role.  My guess is that he'll abdicate to Geran when Geran is old enough. 
After all, Geran will have been raised to be the Rivian King and Overlord of
the West.  He will probably be better at it then Garion.  Garion's special
gifts are sorcery and fighting, not rulership.  I think he'll be happy to
abdicate and move to the Vale.  Remember, even the Prophesy refers to Garion as
a peasant, even after Garions been King for a while.  He just wasn't raised for
it.


Matt

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From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Keywords: poledra, Vo Mimbre
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  7 Sep 92 15:00:54 GMT

millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Barry E. Miller) writes:


>	How was Poledra the Child Of Light at Vo Mimbre.  I realize
>at each meeting both the Child Of Light and Dark must be present.
>Torak, obviously, was the Child Of Dark.  We learned in the Mallor-
>eon, that Poledra was Child Of Light during the battle, yet in the
>retelling of the Battle during the prologue of one of the novels
>or in Belgarath's retelling, a wolf surrounded by its perpetual
>blue nimbus was not mentioned.  Did Poledra just hang around in 
>the background?  Was she in wolf form? Or human so no one would
>notice her?  I can't picture Poledra, who confronted Zandramas
>so vehemently, would have the ability to wait in the background
>when the West was threatened. (Although she showed an abundance
>of patience waiting for Belgarath to love her.)

I imagine it was all part of the task that was given to her when
she departed the vale after giving birth to her twin daughters.
It may well have been that she longed to do more than she did and
make her presence more well known but was otherwise bound not to.
If, as often happened, it was the will of the Spirit of Light that
she not take any active party, then I doubt there would have been
little she could have done.

Darren
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From: ac463@yfn.ysu.edu (Rich Yauman)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:33:45 GMT


Durnik not being called BelDurnik doesn't bother me,  but I wonder
about is the fact that Belgarath comments thats its been a long time
since they have had a new brother... but what about Garion?  He's a
Sorcerer he had Bel added to his name, being raised Sendar he honors
all the gods, but he definately shows that he follows Aldur.  
   Maybe Belgarath just has a hard time thinking of his grandson as 
being his brother.  I don't know.
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From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: An heir
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:52:06 EST
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <IWILLIAM.92Sep4152850@a-hp.au.oracle.com>, iwilliam@au.oracle.com (Ian Williams) writes:
> Someonme may be able to tell me just WHY Belgarion needed an heir when he
> was to all extents and purposes immortal... Would Riva have been so concerned
> about a lack of an heir???

Even sorcerers can be assasinated.

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From: gomodei@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Gavin Omodei)
Subject: Belgariad
Keywords: Ctuchik
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:23:00 GMT

This is just something that has always bothered me.

At the end of Magicians Gambit, when Belgarath and Ctuchik are exchanging
'pleasantries'. When Belgarath smugly tells Ctuchik that Ce'Nedra is safe
at Prolgu under Ul's protection. Ctuchik then says something like this

"It doesn't really matter Belgarath, one of the others will do just as well"

and Belgarath replies

"No Ctuchik, all of the others are unassailable"

Does anyone out there have any idea why Ce'Nedra is vunerable and none of the
others are?

'Cause it's got me beat.

Thanks.
 
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From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)
Subject: Poledra Married Riva?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:34:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

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Subject: poledra being married to riva
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This is my first news posting, so apologies in advance for blunders.

Just a note to comment that I thought Beldaran, not Poledra,
married Riva. If so, then Poledra would still be "only" the Child
of Light and not part of the line of Riva.

Also, I remember something about only male heirs had the silvery mark
on their palm to allow  them to safely touch the orb. And Belgarath
said somewhere that the Rivan line was peculiar in that there was
always only one child, a boy, no "cousins, aunts, etc." Makes me
wonder why it changed when Garion had Geran, as he was then allowed
to have lots of daughters...

Nathan Wallace

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From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:12:50 GMT

In article <BuDF56.H2H@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> you write:
>In article <1992Sep10.092735.58765@cc.usu.edu> gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud) writes:

>As for the how-old-do-sorcerers-get question... would anyone buy the shape-
>changing as the key to it all?  When a sorcerer shifts back into his/her
>human form, s/he has to mentally build up the image of how the body should
>be.  It's a case of "you're as old as you think you are."
>

I strongly disagree.  I think it's obvious that the sorcerers age.  When they
go back to their human forms from whatever animal they were, they have go
back to their body as it is, not as they would like it to be.  Remember in
the Mallorean when Beldin disguises himself as the clown/jester?  In _Demon
Lord of Karanda_ he almost loses the disguise, due to being drunk with Vella.
Obviously, to be in any other human form besides your true one requires a
lot of concentration.  I don't think a sorcerer could permanently alter their
human form.

Marnita
From: v125p7c5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Sorcerer's age
Keywords: immortal
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Sorcerer's are not immortal.  They could die.  The fact that they posses
the ability to prevent such a thing leads to extremely long life spans.  

	Therefore, Riva needs an heir to the thrown incase of the fact that
Belgarion dies.  He may also get sick of ruling and want someone else to rule.

	As far as immortality goes, Eddings disproves that such a thing exists. 
He does this by killing god's who every one know are 'immortal'.


						Michael Lamanna
					     University At Buffalo
					       Civil Engineering

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From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:45:38 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <Btw2Cv.u2@brunel.ac.uk>, Robert.Turner@brunel.ac.uk (Robert Turner) writes:
> Hokay, have just finished the Seeress, after re-reading all nine other
> books immediately before, and have a few simple questions....
> 
> 1) What is on Belgareths' Amulet?  Polgara has an owl (I believe),
> Ce'Nedra a tree, Belgarion the orb and Durnik a hammer, but I can't find
> anywhere any comments about Belgareths' design. I assume that it must be
> a wolf, but no confirmation anywhere in the book.
   It's a wolf. BTW, I don't recall Garion having the Orb. I thought
it was just some "strange design" (according to The Queen o' Sorcery).
Oh well.
 
> 2) Why is Durnik not re-named Beldurnik after he becomes recognised as a
> disciple of Aldur?
   It just doesn't sound good. :)
 
> 3) What happens to Beldin and Vella?
   They turned into birds and never came back.
 
> 4) Why are the twins not in the Mallorean at all?
   Why should they be? (Just wondering.) 
 
> 5) What sex are Polgaras' children?
  Well, they never mention it, but I'd think it was two girls, too.

I've got another to add!

  6) How was Poledra the Child of Light @ Vo Mimbre?
 
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From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Belgariad
Keywords: Ctuchik
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:12:03 GMT

gomodei@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Gavin Omodei) writes:

>This is just something that has always bothered me.

>At the end of Magicians Gambit, when Belgarath and Ctuchik are exchanging
>'pleasantries'. When Belgarath smugly tells Ctuchik that Ce'Nedra is safe
>at Prolgu under Ul's protection. Ctuchik then says something like this

>"It doesn't really matter Belgarath, one of the others will do just as well"

>and Belgarath replies

>"No Ctuchik, all of the others are unassailable"

>Does anyone out there have any idea why Ce'Nedra is vunerable and none of the
>others are?

I always imagined it was because of some part of the prophecy.
Either that or her makeup (as a dryad) was reason for this.
She would be protected in Prolgu because UL was 'her' god.

darren.
From: cantor@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad
Keywords: Ctuchik
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:20:20 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <avalon.716544723@coombs> avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>gomodei@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Gavin Omodei) writes:
>
>>This is just something that has always bothered me.
>
>>At the end of Magicians Gambit, when Belgarath and Ctuchik are exchanging
>>'pleasantries'. When Belgarath smugly tells Ctuchik that Ce'Nedra is safe
>>at Prolgu under Ul's protection. Ctuchik then says something like this
>
>>"It doesn't really matter Belgarath, one of the others will do just as well"
>
>>and Belgarath replies
>
>>"No Ctuchik, all of the others are unassailable"
>
>>Does anyone out there have any idea why Ce'Nedra is vunerable and none of the
>>others are?
>
>I always imagined it was because of some part of the prophecy.
>Either that or her makeup (as a dryad) was reason for this.
>She would be protected in Prolgu because UL was 'her' god.
>
>darren.

	This always bothered me as well.  I can see why Ce'Nedra would be
protected (I think they could have left anyone at Prolgu and they would have
been protected by UL because of his presence in the caves).

	The real question is why the others were not vulnerable.  I guess you
could chalk it up the Prophecy, but that's hardly a satisfactory answer.

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From: nilsch@ii.uib.no (Nils Chr. Hertzberg)
Subject: Re: NEW Eddings Works
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:57:16 GMT

In article <mlester.42.716585342@ducvax.auburn.edu>, mlester@ducvax.auburn.edu (Miles Lester) writes:
|> While at the University bookstore the other day, I inquired about new
|> releases of various authors. Along with a forthcoming release from
|> Raymond Feist (another Riftwar Book), the clerk said 2 new books from 
|> Eddings were due out for Christmas.
|> 
|> One book was supposed to be the PaperBack version of Sapphire Rose or
|> whatever the last book of the Elinium was. But he also said that a new
|> hardback was due out as well, possibly a new Series with SparHawk and 
|> company.
|>  
|> I cannot confirm this, but the University special orders desk has proven
|> to be quite accurate in the past.......
|>  

"The Sapphire Rose" (in paperback) and the first book in "The Tamuli"
(hardcover, a new adventure with Sparhawk & co) have been out in Norway for
a few weeks already. Do his books come out in Norway before they come out
in the states???

Nils

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From: mfn6430@zeus.tamu.edu (NORTH, MATTHEW FRANK)
Subject: authors other than Eddings
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:22:00 GMT

I am just curious as to why you people keep posting things about other authors 
on a news group that is called alt.fan.eddings.  There are a number of other 
groups to post to.  Just my $0.02 worth.

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From: svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema)
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:44:48 GMT

gehri@cc.usu.edu (Gehri Grimaud) writes:

>In article <avalon.715878054@coombs>, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:

>If you recall, at the battle of Vo Mimbre it was a wolf who uncovered the orb
>that was placed in the shield, causing Torak to cringe and be stuck with a
>sword.  BTW, how did the orb get placed in the shield in the first place?
>After all there was no one around who could touch it.

They just pushed the shield into the orb really, really hard... :)
I don't know either and it has been bugging me for a while too.

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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 02:25:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:

>>2) Why is Durnik not re-named Beldurnik after he becomes recognised as a
>>disciple of Aldur?
>
>Actually, I think this is sloppiness, but you could pose the theory that
>Durnik is a very simple, unpretentious man.  The Bel is a bit ostensious.

I'm probably just going nuts, but doesn't Durnik say at some point that
he doesn't want to be called Beldurnik? I think he was talking to either
Garion or Ce'Nedra at the time.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
From: millerbe@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Barry E. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Keywords: poledra, Vo Mimbre
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:19:16 GMT


	How was Poledra the Child Of Light at Vo Mimbre.  I realize
at each meeting both the Child Of Light and Dark must be present.
Torak, obviously, was the Child Of Dark.  We learned in the Mallor-
eon, that Poledra was Child Of Light during the battle, yet in the
retelling of the Battle during the prologue of one of the novels
or in Belgarath's retelling, a wolf surrounded by its perpetual
blue nimbus was not mentioned.  Did Poledra just hang around in 
the background?  Was she in wolf form? Or human so no one would
notice her?  I can't picture Poledra, who confronted Zandramas
so vehemently, would have the ability to wait in the background
when the West was threatened. (Although she showed an abundance
of patience waiting for Belgarath to love her.)

Barry Miller

PS> I've read Kay (loved Fionovar, thought Tigana was boring.),
    Donaldson (loves cripples), never heard of Gemmel. Who is
    he?
From: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (S.P.Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Poledra as the Child Of Light
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:07:11 GMT
Reply-To: spt1@ukc.ac.uk (Stephen Thomas)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <9209101300.AA05389@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu> asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:
>THEORY:
>
>Remember that the Orb is fairly intelligent.  Perhaps it was possible to
>explain to it that it needed to get to the battle, and maybe it let Brand
>touch it, only to transport it.
>
>Marnita

This has bothered me ever since I read it.  My first thought was that
they got the (then very secret) Rivan heir to pluck it off the sword
onto the shield.  Dubious...

Now, I think I've got it.  We know from way it was dragging Garion
all over the place when it was following Geran's trail that it can
move (or apply physical forces) of it's own accord.  Maybe they positioned
the shield near the sword, and the Orb flew from the sword to the
shield.  Or maybe, they positioned a chute between the sword and shield,
and it rolled itself into place.

A nice simple solution...

Stephen
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From: jlredd@bach.udel.edu (Joshua Smith)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:52:37 GMT

In article <9209091410.AA02086@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu> asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:
>
>Hmmmm.  I wonder if this means that Durnik will start to look like Belgareth,
>the way Zedar did?  How will Polgara handle this?
>
>Marnita 
>

That is just sick!
Heh heh

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From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Authors Other Than Eddings
Date: 6 Sep 92 07:18:38 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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> 	Other favorite authors are: Raymond Feist, Robert Jordan,
> Tolkein (of course), Kurtz, Kerr, Glen Cook, Steven Brust, ...
> and the list continues.  I'm always looking for new authors, so
> suggestions are welcome.
> 
You simply have to read some of  Stephen Donaldson's books.  All the main
characters are flawed, emotional cripples, making it far more interesting
reading and character interaction.  Also, for the best fantasy writer, better
than Eddings, mind you, is David Gemmel, a British author.  Cheers.
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