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From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: Dr. JENNIE PATRICK, PhD,. Chem. Eng., Motivational Speaker
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Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:29 EDT  

Dr. Jennie R. Patrick, Chemical Engineer


AND DYNAMIC MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER


A graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, with a Bachelor of 

Science degree in Chemical Engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in 

Chemical Engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).  She 

has worked for numerous corporations.  Her technological contributions have 

been documented through publications, patent disclosure documentations, and 

technical conference and society presentations.  Such activities in addition 

to serving as an adjunct professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) 

and at Georgia Institute of Technology, has helped her remain current in her 

field of expertise.  Dr. Patrick is equally committed to influencing positive 

societal and humanistic change for the disadvantaged.  She is also the first 

Black woman to obtain a PhD in Chemical Engineering.







For information concerning speaking engagements contact:  



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:12867 alt.discrimination:5307
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: u.s. somalia
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:29:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1h2mv9INNnmg@morrow.stanford.edu> by HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels):

> I once knew a Croatian immigrant guy in high school. Leo even dated
> a homegirl for a significant amount of time, and she was a couple of
> years older than him.
> .
> I once asked him how would it be if I dressed in native Croatian
> dress in his country. Leo said basically, they will kill you...

I've heard that Croatians, at least in Cleveland, seem to be somewhat bigoted.
On the other hand, one of my best friends in high school was Croatian, so you
really can't generalize about entire ethnic groups.

> I'd like to know where folks' minds were before this mess got
> seriously overheated, just like in Somalia. Where was the freaking
> US/UN conducting TALKS.

Trying not to get involved.  The Balkans kept a LOT of German troops
occupied during WWII, even with specialized anti-partisan units.

> I think the Europeans should have gotten together and instigated
> something, instead of waiting until the Serbs jumped half of Croatia
> and half of Bosnia-Herzegovina and everyone started exterminating
> each other.

Maybe so, but why do something when you can throw stones at the US
instead...?

> Speaking of ethnic differences among these folks...they are
> basically from the same racial strain.  Only problem is religion.
> Some folks never forgot they had been overrun by the colored folks
> that used to run the Ottoman Empire...Muslims, in fact.

Don't kid yourself, either about the Balkan natives or the former leaders
of the Ottoman empire.  Frenchmen and Germans are racially similar too,
that doesn't make them ethnically identical, nor friends.

As for the Ottoman empire, I suspect that you don't know many Turks.  They
are racially caucasian.  Their appearance ranges from that of an Arab to a
northern european.  John Belushi was just as qualified to be a member of the
Ottoman empire as anybody else, since he was Albanian.  Enver Pasha, one of
the "young Turks" was an Albanian by ethnicity.  By the way, the Bosnian
Muslims are just one of the ethnic groups in the country.  From what I've
seen, you can't by appearance, tell a Bosnian Muslim from a Croatian or Serb.

> I don't like us being in Somalia as well as in what was Yugoslavia.
>  I think we've got to get to the place where violence is a last
> resort in EVERY case.  And don't tell me talking don't make it.

Sometimes talking DOESN'T make it.  If the Klan is outside your door, shooting
at your house and throwing molotov cocktails, do you want the police to talk
or shoot...?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Louis FarraKKKhan
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 04:25:54 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) wrote:
:	>He's [Farrakhan] been amazingly quiet and I recently found out 
:	>that he is terminally ill (prostate cancer I believe). 
:	
:As I listened to the World Service of the BBC a few months ago, they        
:reported that Farrakhan was banned from entering England, and that he
:is also GOOD friends with KKK Grand Dragon Tom Metzger.  They even
:shared the stage in a series of speeches in Southern California a few
:years ago.  Their bonding principle, of course, is hatred of Jews.
:
:I'm amazed that FarraKKKhan is so immune from criticism in the black
:community in light of the fact that he's BUDDIES with a Klansman.


Indeed, it does no service, either to the reality of Malcolm or
to history, to try to moderate in memory the racial vituperativeness
of his oratory then.  "We don't want to integrate with that ole pale
thing!" he would cry to black audiences, light flashing blankly off
his glasses.  "The dog is their closest relative.  They got the same
kind of hair, the same kind of skin, and the same kind of _smell_.
Oh, yeahhhh!"

It was a racial invective that was only an inverse, in fact, of that
to be heard whinnying from the flatbed loudspeakers at any cow-pasture
Klan rally of the time.  Malcolm insisted this was only reflexive to
400 years of white racism, but it captured him in the same cramped,
bleak mentality, which placed a racial construction on all life.  Malcolm
readily professed that he shared the Southern whites' aversion to
integration, as a sure prelude to miscegenation.  As he declared,
integrationists "want your wife and your daughter and your sister
and -- and your _mother._"

It is not, then, quite so bizarre as it might first seem that one 
night in 1961 Malcolm held a clandestine meeting with Klan chieftains
in Atlanta to solicit their support for the Muslim ambition to 
establish a separate country within the United States.  He told
the assembles Klansmen that the Muslims were as deeply committed
to segregation as they were, and, according to an F.B.I. report,
assured them that "the Jew is behind the integration movement,
using the Negro as a tool."

				-- Marshall Frady, "The Children
				   of Malcolm," _The New Yorker_
				   Oct. 12, 1992


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Who Killed Malcolm X?!!
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:35:48 GMT

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Aaron Barnhart's vivid excerpt from Mike Royko's book
brought on a severe attack of double vision in me.  On
the one hand Royko's account of the state of racist
politics in Daley's Chicago is the way I remember it.
But there was an additional side that people in this news-
group ought not to forget: Chicago's black establishment
and the Dawson machine.  To say that it was complaisant
is to put it mildly.  A year or two earlier, when Martin
Luther King led a march in Chicago, a _colored_ (that was
then the preferred word of the Chicago Defender) alderman
(I've forgotten his name: he was one of Congressman Dawson's
jockstraps) had leaflets passed out in our ward.  The head-
line: "Civil Rights is a Man Named Daley".

I mention this because it too should not be forgotten.

Norman Miller
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "White man's" AIDS
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <101593@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>
>>There is lesbianism in !Kung, the Azande, and the Dahomey societies. [...]

As I told you on s.c.a, I can not address this question definitively, yet. The
book you quoted is listed missing in our library files. I am trying to locate it
in the public library system of Pittsburgh. Off hand I can assure you that this
is just one of your "Africans custom requires bows to give men oral sex stories
I am sure that it is rubbish, as have been all your other rantings this far.

>To start naming names, Alfred Machela is a Zulu gay activist, and Simon
>Nikoli is an ANC gay activist.  Among the Zulu, gay sex as a form of
>male bonding is somewhat common, yet they consider western style lover
>boys an utter perversion.
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

The question of gay Africans in westernised countries is one we thrashed out
in s.c.a. I will respond to it again tomorrow.  

When I read this nonsense you posted on Zulu culture, I could not believe how
ignorant and naive you were. 


A southern Zambian, I am culturally close to a Zulu. If this is not enough, I was born and brought up in western Zambia. The people in this area called Lozis, they escaped Tshaka Zulu's mfecane in the 1800's.
My martenal grand father however, came from eastern Zambia, from the Ngonis.
These people also escaped  Tshaka and arrived in Zambia in 1836. So when you
talk about Zulu culture, you are talking about something that I know very 
well. 

Even if this is not enough for you, you should know this. Before 1990, the 
ANC had its headquarters in Lusaka Zambia. Where I lived there were, thousa
nds of exiles, all of them young men in their 20's. 90% were single. These
people lived side by side with us, I had innumerable friesnds (male and female)
in their ranks and I want to let you know, that like any other Africans, they
did not know homosex. 

When I first read this, I called my Zulu friends in Pittsburgh. They were
percetibly infuriated at the fact that you would make these baseless accus
ations. Any African who would read this would laugh at you. Waht you are 
saying is impossible. They know their culture better than you do. Hell you
don't know anything and speak from innuendo.

I don't see why it is not enough for europeans to practise gay alone. Why
do they have to accuse us of things we don't even have a name for in our
language.


makala
 
I am sorry to tell you that  

are in c
From: ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:51:09 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <37866@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
> In article <ISBELL.92Dec4222821@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
> 
> # I suspect more than a small minority discriminates in small ways
> # all the time, most of the time without thinking about it (and this
> # applies to all sorts of things, not just race or gender or height
> # or dress).
> 
> Eventually you might have to accept a constant, low-level steady state
> of discrimination as unavoidable background noise.
> 
> Height is an interesting case.  Shortness is salient, inalterable, and
> genetic.  Short people can't "pass" for tall.  And there is no doubt
> in the world that short people are discriminated against.
> 
> Yet the effects of shortism are small enough that they can be overcome
> with a little extra effort, and since no one knows exactly how much
> effort *should* correspond to a given station in life, we don't think
> about it much.
> 
> 
> David

You might be underestimating the effects of shortism, I read that each
extra inch is worth $800 per year in earnings, i.e. people 5'10" tall
earn $3200 more than people 5'6" tall on average.
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:16:26 GMT

In article <BzAtKo.3AC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca  
(The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.000541.19855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
> >From the 1990 US Census figures:
> >	White				80%
> >	Black				12%
> >	Hispanic			 9%
> >	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
> >	Native American			 1%
> >The Total adds up to more than 100% since "Hispanic" is not disjoint  
from the
> >other categories.
> Or there are those who are or claim to be of mixed race or ethnicity.
> But then that may not be a statistically large number of them.
> Just an hyposthesis.
> 
> 
> RT

     As I recall, biracial people were classified by the Census Bureau  
according to which race they listed first, e.g. a person who said that  
s/he was "white/black" was classified as "white", while a person who said  
s/he was "black/white" was classified as "black".

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Economic costs of racism (was Re: Marge Schott)
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 02:55:08 GMT

In article <2504@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas  
Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
> In article <ISBELL.92Dec9105152@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu  
(Charles L Isbell) writes:
> >While I am suspicious of numbers putting a price tag on
> >discrimination, I would suggest that not hiring the most qualified
> >people hardly *ever* has a big cost.  If you hire someone who is at
> >least minimally qualified, the you probably will not be hurt in any
> >measurable way, especially in a big corporation.
> 
> If this is really true, it makes a great argument for quotas in hiring.   
`Why
> do you churlishly insist on hiring the best-qualified candidate?  You  
can
> do just as well by hiring this candidate (of our choice) who is  
minimally
> qualified.'  But I just don't believe it.  What explains the success of
> one company over the competition if not the superior abilities of its
> employees?

     Often the ability of one company to outlast the competition in the  
pursuit of a lawsuit. Let's say that you invent a great new biotechnology  
product, patent it, and start up a company to produce and sell it. If I  
want to stop you, I could try and invent an alternative, or I could just  
find some obscure scientific paper in the literature that might be related  
to your invention, and then sue you for the purpose of getting your patent  
overturned, arguing that your invention is already public knowledge. A  
judge will then issue a restraining order, preventing you from selling  
your product until "all of these patent issues are sorted out" (this often  
takes years). Then we sit back and see which one of us has the deeper  
pockets, the better balance sheet, and the ability to hire R&D people from  
the other guy.
   
> -- 
> Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
>           phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
> When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
> orbiting particle-beam weapons.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu

"Lawyers are like nuclear warheads. They have theirs, so I have mine. Once  
you use them, they fuck everything up." --- from the movie "Other People's  
Money"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Face it...  We depend on white people...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:00:02 GMT

We depend on white people for food.  We depend on white people for
shelter.  We depend on white people for clothing.  We depend on white
people for jobs.  We depend on white people for fuel.  We depend
on white people for education.  We depend on white people for police.
We depend on white people for water.  We depend on white people for
electricity.  We depend on white people for automobiles.  We 
depend on white people for audio media.  We depend on white
people news.  We depend on white people for electronics.  We depend
on white people for leadership.  We depend on white people for
roads.  We depend on white people for heavy machinery.  We depend
on white people for innovation.  We depend on white people for jewelry.
As much as I hate to say....  Looking around we depend on white
people for everything...  They don't depend on us for anything except
a possible labor source, and athletics...  Until we can build, produce
innovate we will be like a Third World nation inside of america.
As long as blak people look solely to whites for jobs, services, and
education thereby being dependant on them we will always be 2nd class
citizens...  And if you think all of my "dependencies" are bull look
at where your money goes brother,sister right back to White america.
And look at where their money goes..  Right back into white america.
So who's losing, huh?  Hell, white america could suffocate us right now
if they wanted.  Has there ever in history been a nation inside a nation?
And if we do become one nation if we ever ever do, when will the man
play a square game...  A fair game...  When there is a black owner of this
business and a white one of this one and a yellow one of this one, and
each one has employees based on his skills and not colors.  And these
businesses do businesses with a variety of businesses, and communities.
Etc, etc.  When will this happen if ever...  And if you don't want to 
play a square game, stop hiding it behind my back and come out and tell
me.  Might as well start from scratch.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Emitt Tills : Question
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:00:30 GMT

Okay, I checked my sources on the Emmett Till lynching (_1955_, Joseph L.
Morse, Ed., Unicorn Books, 1956, and _100 Years of Lynchings_, Ralph
Ginzburg, Lancer Books, 1969 -- the latter, by the way, is a chilling
and often grotesque testimony of what Public Enemy calls the "real 
criminals", but I digress...). As verified by Keith, I was right about
Chicago being the home of Till, but it was Mississippi not Memphis, Tennessee
where the lynching occurred on Aug. 28, 1955. Till was 14 at the time
and was visiting his great-uncle Moses Wright. He allegedly "wolf-whistled"
and made other remarks to 21 yr. old Carolyn Bryant in a grocery store
owned by her husband, Roy Bryant (24 yr old). Roy Bryant and his half
brother J.W. Milam (36) admitted to abducting Till, but claimed that they
let him go unharmed when Carolyn Bryant said he wasn't the one who'd 
insulted her. Till's body was found in the Tallahatchie River with a 
bullet wound to the temple, a smashed head, and a 125 pound cotton gin
wheel tied around the neck. The body could only be identified by a silver
ring which belonged to Till's father who had been killed in WWII. The
defense used this to their advantage by saying that the body had never
been positively identified. Sheriff H. C. Strider of Tallahatchie Co.
advanced the "theory" that the whole story was fabricated to stir up
trouble and that Till had been whisked away alive back north (he never
explained the origin of the body that was found though).  An all-white
jury acquitted Bryant and Milam, reaching a decision in "just over an
hour". One juror remarked, "If we hadn't stopped to drink pop, it wouldn't
have taken that long." Later, the county grand jury refused to indict
Bryant and Milam on the lesser charge of kidnapping.
	Darryle
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Bullwinkel's AIDS
Date: 10 Dec 92 18:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

[very enlightening explanation about the origin of HIV deleted]

:-))) Thank you, Matthew! Maybe, Paul gets it (just kiddin').

Ciao, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * The penis mightier than the sword.
                                                                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:36:14 GMT

In article <Bz3rD1.37s@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu  
(Herman Rubin) writes:

> I grew up in Chicago.  Not only were there no such laws there, but the
> blacks, and everyone else, there were quite aware that those actions  
were
> illegal, and  at least any overt discrimination in such matters was  
likely
> not to do much good to the discriminator.  There WAS overt  
discrimination
> in employment, and this effectively ended, in the academic and similar
> white collar communities, just over 50 years ago.  Since that time, 
> the demand for competent blacks in those fields has greatly exceeded
> the supply.  It is not the case that anyone with a given degree is
> competent, and the use of such statistics is stupid.

     You're from Chicago? There's a book entitled "The Promised Land", by  
Nicholas Lehmann, that you should read sometime. It's about the great  
migration of black sharecroppers from the Deep South to Chicago during the  
first half of this century, and what life in Chicago was/is like for black  
folks up through the present time.
 
> -- 
> Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette  
IN47907-1399
> Phone: (317)494-6054
> hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
> {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu