From: ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu (Patrick A. Townson)
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Organization: None
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:47:34 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.044852.1440@wolves.uucp> wolfe@wolves.durham.
nc.us writes:

> Chicagoland is quite f**ked up in terms of its politics, and certainly
> has one of the most corrupt governments in the world, but your distress
> does not necessarily apply to the rest of the country.  

No, but to enough places that what I said is generally true. Yes,
Chicago is severely screwed up; not only in politics but in life here
in general. Conditions are gettting worse all the time. I will really
be glad when I'm able to move away from this filthy crime-ridden dump
of a town.  

> This election is extremely critical in several states.  In Oregon and
> Colorado the Lesbian and Gay folk are being set up for a fall, and ONLY
> the expression of the voters can prevent it from occurring.  And Pat
> wants everyone to stay home.

Lesbian and gay people are generally intelligent. It surprises me so
many are still going along with business as usual in the government.
And yes, absolutely,  I am encouraging everyone to stay home, or go go
to work or whatever they do, but ** stay away from the polling place. **

> In North Carolina, the do-nothing officials who have made a mockery of
> AIDS prevention and anti-hate crime programs in the state (NC withdrew
> from a federal victims aid program because the fund insisted on
> assisting the victims of gay-bashing! and the responsible official is
> running for Attorney General) face some decent opposition from folks who
> could make the place a decent place to live.  And Pat wants everyone to
> stay home and do nothing.

What makes you think after the election any of this will change?
Haven't you ever heard of politicians who lie through their teeth
before? All this will continue in one form or another -- every
politician brings his/her own style to office, but nothing really
changes; at least not with your choices being Demopublicans and Republicrats.
With the Libertarian Party, you'd stand a *slightly* better chance of
seeing change that you liked.   And yes sir, I want everyone to stay
home and do nothing ... let the whole goddamned thing collapse. I
think of it as a sort of parental 'tough love' where the government is
concerned. Quit thinking that the existing system can be repaired if
you continue tinkering with it long enough.

> So Mr Townson, how much are they paying you to encourage folk to let
> them have their way?  

No one is paying me anything except my full time employers who you
misrepresent in the remainder of your paragraph:

> You, of course, work for some of the fat cat attorneys who harrass
> the poor middle-class working stiffs because they get a month or so
> behind on the payments for that lemon appliance or automobile that
> their friends in Detroit and Washington DC have unloaded on the
> complacent public.

I do no such thing. The attornies who employ me have nothing to do
with any form of retail collection activities. Their practice is
limited exclusively to COMMERCIAL collection matters (that is,
companies attempting to collect money from other *companies*, from
government agencies, from banks and other financial institutions and
related matters. The biggest part of my case load at any given time
involves companies in the USA who are owed money by companies in
Europe and the far east. To use your terminology, I spend much time on
the phone typically from 9 PM until about 4 AM on the phone calling
Hong Kong, Japan and Australia 'harrassing' 'fat cat' corporate
executives whose firms are indebted to our clients. From then until
about 9 AM give or take an hour, I call the other direction (into
Europe) and 'harass' such easily intimidated organizations as the
United States Post Exchange System at various US Army military bases
in Germany all of whom are staffed with bureaucrats who love to stock
their PX stores with American-made goods but never fail to lose the
paperwork before it gets paid for. 

The smaller claims I handle at any given time are $10,000 - $15,000.
The larger ones are half-million dollar contracts our clients claim
have been violated. A client in Hong Kong of our firm sold $300,000
worth of telephone answering machines to a distributor of same in the
UK who later would not pay because he claimed the shipment never got
there. I round up all the paperwork from halfway around the globe;
fully document the claim to the firm in the UK (actually a subsidiary
of British Telecom); show where and how they took delivery; ask them
to please send me a wire transfer today to pay in full; and to give me
the name of the solicitor who will represent them in the event they
still don't intend to pay. Then I place the claim with a solicitor we
use in London (you'd refer to him as a 'fat cat attorney') who will
sue them.  Instead of harassing 'poor middle class people' I spend far
more of my time harassing government bureaucrats, presidents of banks,
and the chief executive officers of large corporations -- ever so
courteously of course. And eventually they all come to the telephone
and speak with me, handing me their excuses and stalls, etc. I work
through all their objections and complaints, then they pay my client
what is due ... or they get sued without exception.

> And you, so interested in getting people to listen to you, post to
> misc.misc 

It was posted to talk.politics.misc which seems appropriate and to
misc.misc which is a place for general miscellaneous postings. 

> (with some rather amateur header hacking to try and avoid the
> email flames you so obviously deserve) 

Oh really?  I'm sure the authors of nntpxmit are pleased to hear
about their amateur hacked software. I nearly always use nntpxmit to
post rather than Pnews; but then, numerous sites around the United
States welcome my postings direct to the news stream via their sites
anytime I wish ... including telecom and other stuff.

> rather than to the natural groups for this kind of crap. (alt.flame
> and alt.peeves)

That is just a subjective decision on your part as to which groups you
feel are more appropriate for what you term 'crap'. 

> You keep complaining that the readership of *your* telecom digest group
> is growing out of control.  Why don't you post this there,  that would
> cut the traffic to practically nil.

Are you dyslexic or do you misread things on purpose? I have said the
volume of articles received at the telecom group has grown tremendously 
over the past two or three years. The readership has also grown, but
that doesn't require any extra time. Scanning, sorting and editing
200+ articles daily into a few dozen actually sent out is what takes
the time. Yet people keep sending things. I guess that says something
about their trust in my editing and posting procedures. Coincidentally, 
I use nntpxmit to send the bursted version of TELECOM Digest out to
the comp.dcom.telecom group ... with the same old 'amateur header
hacking'. 

> Try again, boyo.

Okay, I will: I will ask readers once again: DO NOT VOTE IN NOVEMBER.


Patrick Townson
Newsgroups: misc.misc