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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:32:09 GMT

We bought a new washing machine just over a year ago and my wife
regularly (about twice a week, at the least) washes the diapers
we use on our son, although the level will be rising after
March, when the newest (and third) rugrat joins our happy family!
=)  =)

Anyway, we've had one interior tub replaced about 6 months ago due
to the enamel wearing away.  We're about to have the replacement tub
replaced due to the same problem.  The Whirlpool tech, when asking
about our washing habits, asked if we either left wet clothes in the
tub for extended periods of time on a frequent basis (like going to
bed after starting a load), or if we left clothes soak or if we
were, by any chance, washing diapers.  When we mentioned the diaper
washing, he said that a combination of the acidic urin and bleach
could be causing the problem.  When he asked how much bleach we
used, my wife stated that she never has measured, but just pours 
some in.

My question:  How much do other home-diaper launders use in the way
of bleach?  Also, are there other alternatives to using bleach?  Has
anyone else found this problem?

Thanks in advance,

allen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:56:25 GMT

In article <1iso1rINNt5k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen) writes:
>
>wouldn't allow enough time for you and the baby to really get
>the hang of breastfeeding, and many babies will refuse to nurse
>if they've been offered a bottle too early because getting milk
>from a bottle is easier for them and they don't want to work at
>all to get milk from Mom's breast, wait for let down, and so on.
>    

I'm courious.  Folks keep saying stuff like this. It seems to be
general "net wisdom" that:
1. Most babies prefer a bottle to nursing given the choice.
2. Introduction of a bottle "too early" will cause "nipple confusion"
	(by which posters usually mean that the baby will not
	nurse any more.)  
3. Supplimenting formula will cause the milk supply to decrease
	& cause the mom to eventually give up nursing though she dosen't
	want to.

I'm certainly *not* saying these aren't true for "most babies",
but I am very interested in how many folks on the net had
those experiences personally.  

So how about it?  Anyone on the net *in their personal experience*
find the above assumptions to be true or false?

Also, I'm courious as to:
4. Most older babies (> 6 weeks) who have been totally breastfed 
	have no problems switching to a bottle. (See #1.)

If I get responses of folks who have personal experience with
these "wise sayings" I will summarize those. 

Elise.
elise@ticipa.mtc.ti.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:44:43 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
Keywords: circ
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX ComputerCorp. The 
 opinions expressed are those of the user andnot necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan6.194547.11278@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
=>In article <gdavis.726346857@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
=>> Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
=>>Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
=>        ??????
=>
=>(I just checked with my non-Jewish office partner to see if I was being
=>oversensitve. She assures me I am not)
=>
=>WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? ARE YUPPIES JEWISH. ARE ALL JEWS YUPPIE?
=>ARE YOU ANTI-SEMETIC? 
=>
=>sheesh! I cant beleive we have to read this sort of crap on the net.
=>
=>Laura Floom
=>
=>

If you had read the entire article, you would have realized that Gary was
saying that the publisher of this magazine is Jewish.  He is talking about
Jewish yuppies.  Some yuppies are Jews, some Jews are yuppies.  What is
your problem anyway?  You don't have to read *anything* on the net, by the
way.  You don't have to post anything either, I certainly won't miss it.

-- 
Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
ramon@convex.com            | "Ceci n'est pas une .signature file"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pattern Recognizers, Memory, etc.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:06:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <2574.9301051904@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:


(stuff deleted)... What really gets me is her
>ability to find her pacifier absolutely
>*anywhere* - under a pile of toys, behind
>a pillow, etc. etc. - she just reaches in
>and pulls it out - I know just what Nichael
>means, because sometimes it borders on
>creepy - like she's got "pacifier radar"!
>

Gosh, and here I thought Angelica (age 3) was the only one. Our house
is pretty ... er, cluttered ... and her dad is constantly losing his 
reading glasses and cigarettes ... but all he has to do is ask me if I've
seen them and Angelica will trot off and bring them back to him!  She also
remembers things that amaze us from months or even a year ago. 

Susan



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf14 (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:16:57 GMT

In regards to breastfed babies not wanting bottles:

My baby was like this as I did not try to get her used to bottles
until she was a little over 3 months old. I called the lactation consultant
at my hospital and (after the wonderful advice that you should start 
accustoming them to bottles at 5-6 weeks - I'd just said she was 3 months!)
she said that almost all of her mothers with similar problems reported
success with a type of bottle designed in England known as Avent. These
bottles have a different type of nipple, as well as larger bottle opening
(easier to clean) and (of course) different sized caps than normal bottles.

I tried it and they worked the very first time. After days of hysterics when 
trying to give her a bottle, with my return to work looming closer and 
closer, these were a miracle.  This is all I give my 
daughter (almost 6 months now), though I really haven't tried anything else.

To get a catalog of their products and possibly the name of a store near
you, call 800-54avent 7 days a week, 8am to 10pm Central Time. 
(Area code 708 number: 708-769-1700).

I have no connection with this product except as a satisified user.

--
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
From: bq432@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Angela Secrest)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Some questions
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:25:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello to all!  I've just begun reading this list as
part of my "preconception education".  It's *very*
helpful.  

I have a few questions, all unrelated to each other.

1.  Have any of you heard of a midwife named Norman Casserly?
I read about him in the book "Pregnancy over 35".

2.  Have any of you heard of an illness called "hr something".
All I know is that it begins with "hr" and caused incredible
and painful swelling in a baby 1 year old.  The child was not
hospitalized.  His father claims that the child's feet became
so swollen that they were as big as his own.  Although I don't
see how that is possible, I still need to find the name of the
illness.

3.  Do most of you have preconception checkups, or have you
been able to find practitioners of preconception medicine?

Thanks for any replies, and 
Best wishes
Angela
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: test
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:55:05 GMT

Excuse the test, I am having trouble reading my news.

CWC
From: nooshin%naqvi.uucp@isac.ca (Nooshin Naqvi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Another **New Mommy** Question
Organization: The Naqvi Residence, Morinville, Alberta, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:11:48 -0600

mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu () writes:
> Hello Again!!
> 
> This the **New Mommy** once again, with yet another question!!
> 
> OK, whenever I lie down and roll over onto my side (either one, it doesn't
> matter) I feel the baby kicking like crazy!!  Is it possible that the baby is
> getting skwooshed or something??
> 

Hi all.

I just had a baby 6 months ago, and I had the same question.  Someone
told me when you walk there is movement and when you stop the baby is
telling you, "Hey you, don't stop, I like it."  That is my
understanding.
					

Nooshin   Naqvi                    Home: nooshin%naqvi@edm.isac.ca

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."
                             -- Baha'u'llah
From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:59:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Sarah Hobart asks for ideas about a welcoming ceremony for her
one-year old: 

When my son was about a month old, we had an "earthing" ceremony for
him - sort of a pagan equivalent to a christening that we essentially
made up for the occasion.  The best part of the ceremony was going around
the circle of people present and having them give the "gift" of a certain
quality to the baby, asking that it be present in the baby.  Each person
talked about a favorite ancestor or friend, and asked that the baby have
the best attributes of that person.  It was a beautiful and moving             
experience, and I highly recommend it.

ann
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:49:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

I grew up in a small (~12,000) town in southwest Oregon (Grants Pass).  From
the first through fourth grades, I walked to a school that was two blocks
from home, but they were looong blocks, so it was maybe 1/4 mile.

For 5th and 6th grades, I had to go to another school (the first one was old,
and only had room for grades 1--4).  I remember my mother being incensed at
the time because the "The school is a mile and three tenths!  I measured it with
the odometer on the car.  A MILE AND THREE TENTHS!" from home.  I would take
the school bus to that one, but sometime I could weasel into being allowed to
ride my bike when I was in the sixth grade.


Nowdays, I wonder about how we'll handle things when Laura starts going to
school.  The bus stop is at the bottom of the hill, opposite a couple
apartments.  Sadly, the management at the apartments has deteriorated in
the last couple years, and there have been reports of drug dealing and other
unsavory things going on down there.  (We're having a Neighborhood Watch
meeting this month...)

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Booooo, Tyco!
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:06:25 GMT

nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:

[MagnoDoodle complaints deleted]

>There was another note on this group about a Tyco race track which
>didn't work as advertised.  I think I'm getting ready to NOT buy Tyco
>toys.  Any other comments?

I remember that when (early 70s) I was spending my allowance and birthday  
money on cars for my electric race car track (not Tyco) that I did not like 
Tyco cars. I do not (darn, my apostrophe key wont work) remember the brand
of the cars that I did like, but I do know that they seemed like much better
cars than the Tyco ones.  
I cannot wait until Santa brings my kids a race car track (not Tyco), so
that we :) can all enjoy it.


>-- 
>------------------------------+------------------------------------------
>Chris Nelson                  |  Rens-se-LEER is a county.
>Internet: nelsonc@cs.rpi.edu  |  RENS-se-ler is a city. 
>CompuServe: 70441,3321        |  R-P-I is a school in Troy!

John Ganske
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family safety (Was Re: How to protect your family from the State)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:10:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <C0Hvsq.1M6z@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
>
>> Issue #1 family safety:
>> Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
>> suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
>> Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
>> below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?
>
>Not sure what the cop would think, but I'd go for the 2nd option (stopping
>in a crowded/well-lit place).
>
>Anyone know what the "legal" take on this is?
>
At least here in San Diego County, it is *definitely* legal to keep
driving to a well-lit, populated area before pulling over.  This
came out in the trial of Craig Pryor, a deputy sheriff who preyed on 
young women driving alone on deserted stretches of road.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: toileting regression, (was Re: Planning babies)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:30:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173049.6419@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes...
> 
>  Nope.  I've got advice not to bother potty training if you're in
>  your last few months of a pregnancy because the toddler will only
>  regress when the baby gets here.  My son is all ready, he knows
>  all about it and will urinate in the potty when his diaper is off.
>  However I'm not pressuring him to keep dry, or to poop in the potty
>  since he says he doesn't want to (he prefers to stand).  
> 
>  Most people I know say not to potty train within months of a big
>  change (i.e. new baby, daycare change).  Also they say it is easier
>  to change diapers than to keep reminding the child to go to the
>  potty every hour, or to have to find a bathroom when you're away
>  from home (dragging infant newborn along).
> 
While the above is true, I would also like to point out that most
children regress some at some point after being potty trained, no
matter what. How much they regress is obviously dependent on the
child.
                        Patti Twigg
From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pinata Control
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:42:55 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

In article <1993Jan12.181435.26282@ast.saic.com> hyler@ast.saic.com writes:
>Hi folks, 
>
>My son and I have been busy planning his 6th birthday party.  We
>haven't had any post-Xmas blues from him because he is so excited about
>his party coming up next month.
>
>One thing he has asked to have at his party is a pinata.  And I agreed
>before I thought too much about it.
>
>Now my problem, and maybe I am too influenced by my experiences from
>when I was a kid.  I remember pinatas as very negative things since I
>was somewhat shy and timid and the minute that thing broke kids were
>all over each other fighting and pushing and crying to get more than
>the other kids.  I would usually stay on the edge and pick up a few
>things and be very sad because I couldn't get more without getting into
>the middle of all the chaos.
>
>David's birthday will have at most 7 children, all at 5-6 years of
>age.  Is there some way to put some control on the pinata "grab for
>all" that will keep things somewhat happy and reasonably fair for all?
>One idea I had was to keep a certain amount of the goodies out of the
>pinata and after all the scrambling was over share this out to those
>who were unable to get as much as the others.  Another idea was to put
>some of the goodies in plastic bags with names and they would have to
>scramble to get the one with their name on it.  But that somewhat
>defeats the purpose of the pinata based on my experiences.
>
>So, how have you handled this event, successfully?

My MIL recently retired in Mexico (Aijijic,Jalisco).  She was here visiting
us for Laura Jean's third birthday.  She said in Mexico that the Pinata
event is much different and much calmer than the "whack-whack-whack/break/
mass histeria" episode that we are more familiar with.  There, the pinata's 
are often made with an opening at the top or even a clay flower pot as the
central basis of the pinata with the paper mache' being a covering and
making the pinata look like an animal/etc.  The children do not beat the
pinata with a stick or even break it open, but rather the pinata is held
up high enough so that they can reach it with their hands but cannot see
inside.  They then file by in a queue and reach for the goodies inside.
She also said they very rarely fill them with candies, but small toys, 
colors, pencils, etc.  They have little access to chocolate where she
lives.  

She takes a lot of chocolate bars back with her when she comes to visit
us.

Jeanetha - Mom to Gregg(19) and Laura Jean(3)
-- 
Jeanetha Wemken                       OpenConnect Systems, Inc.
Internal Gateway Services             2711 LBJ Freeway, Suite 800
jws@hp835.oc.com                      Dallas, Texas  75243
Voice: (214) 888-0465                 FAX: (214) 888-0686
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:59:29 GMT

In article <1iv9gbINN76r@mizar.usc.edu>
biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
 
>Reading all this about walking to school brought back a bit of memory that
>I walked to school by myself in kindergarten and first grade. The school
>was about 1/2 mile away, I don't think there were any big streets but
>I do remember I used to cut through the Pepperdine campus (and getting
>in trouble because I stayed there to play at the playground in the married
>students housing complex instead of going straight home). In retrospect
>that seems far too much for a 5 or 6 year old. And when we moved (when I was
>in second grade), I walked a mile to school. My guess would be that it might
>be OK for a kid in a small town, but in L.A. it just seems far too risky to
>let a small kid walk that far alone. At least in L.A. these days.
>
>Susan
>
 
  I have a memory of being left with my brother (who was 4 years younger) at
a playground.  My parents had some shopping to do and left us there to play.
It was a large playground but it was quite far from our house.  If we had been
able to walk home, it would have taken over an hour.  We had no money and it
started to rain.  There was no shelter and no bathrooms.
  Finally, my parents came to get us.  I say FINALLY because it seemed like a
long time (in a thunderstorm).  They were very casual about the whole thing.
I'm pretty sure that I told them I didn't want to be there again, alone.  I
don't remember our ages (too young to know about where to get a bus and the
playground was not near anything like a restaurant or drugstore).  The fear
I felt was pretty intense.  My parents attitude was pretty much, 'Well, they
are together and she is pretty responsible (I was)' - however, so many things
could have happened at that playground ... I shudder to think.
  Yes, I was the 'responsible' type - partly because they needed me to be.  I
only realize today that they just didn't want to pay a babysitter!
 
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: CUTE ADVICE
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:02:36 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hi.. We have a friend Due in February she will have a Girl! Could ya'll
send her some Congrats. and cute little bits of advice....

Her Address is

	MCSNEWTON@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU



Raina and Aamir
Memphis State University
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Another **New Mommy** Question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:31:31 GMT
Summary: baby more active while laying on side

> OK, whenever I lie down and roll over onto my side (either one, it doesn't
> matter) I feel the baby kicking like crazy!!  Is it possible that the baby is
> getting skwooshed or something??
> 

Our baby seems to be much more active when I'm laying on either side too,
I just attribute it to the baby having more room, feeling more comfortable.
The movements seem stronger probably because the way you are laying
(on your side).  

> I know that I'm not supposed to lie down on my back, but does it matter about
> the right or left sides??  

I'm always told to lay on my left side, not sure why, something about
the heart and circulation and some vein or veins.  

Christine
due in oh about 11 days or so....
From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:07:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Emily (22 mo) also gets the urge to bite when she's angry/frustrated.
We have taught her that she can't bite people (or animals, although
that hasn't come up), but she can bite something else (like a pillow
or stuffed animal).  She hadn't done this for a long time, but yesterday
she was playing with a friend who kept trying to take the toy she
was playing with away.  After trying a couple of strategies (pulling it
back, yelling "Me"), she ran across the room and bit the couch!  Now,
I realize that this probably isn't the ideal solution, but at least
she didn't bite the other child!

As a rule, I do try to teach alternate strategies of handling anger
rather than just say "Don't hit" or whatever.

Laura Dolson
dolson@crl.ucsd.edu

Xref: sparky misc.kids:32288 misc.education:5807 comp.edu:2304
From: charlynk@execu.execu.com (Charlyn Keating)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,comp.edu
Subject: Survey
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:35:08 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa
Organization: Execucom Systems Corp


I'm conducting an informal survey regarding computer education
for young children.  If you live in the New Orleans area, and have
school-age children, please contact me through Email at
charlynk@execu.execu.com. Thanks!

Charlyn