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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Bruins lose to Canadiens.!
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:28:09 GMT

iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) wrote:
>The Bruins proved once again last night that they are only
>a three man team up front...

Ah, proof by example. Excellent. How eager we are to post after a win...

>In my opinion, the Habs have the second best team in the league
>after the Pens. I would rank the B's sixth behind these two teams
>plus the Wings, Rangers and Canucks.

Fortunately, your opinion means dip, and the teams will finish playing the
rest of the season. Also, your underqualified opinion puts Boston in ideal
position to win the SC, since the better teams are often dumped in the early
going.

How quickly one's self esteem rises when the team, he cheers for, wins.
Just what we need, more Bruins/Canadiens bashing posts. Good job.

Tom
From: tiot_kk@tac.fi (Kimmo Kauranen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SM-LIIGA NEWS, December 15, 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:27:47 +0200
Organization: City of Tampere

SM-LIIGA NEWS, DECEMBER 15, 1992
================================

Petri Skriko (Ex-San Jose Sharks, etc) made a contract with Kiekko-Espoo
from Espoo, Finland. The contract will only last this season. Skriko told
that he is not ending his professional career and he has plans to return
into NHL.

Kiekko-Espoo (K-Espoo) is at the moment 11th of SM-LIIGA 9 points
behind last play-off place.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
Kimmo Kauranen  *  Department of Information Technology
                *  City of Tampere, FINLAND
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: John MacLean ??
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

Devils fans: What is wrong with John MacLean?

He plays every night but rarely scores?
1) Is his knee still a problem?
2) Is he trying to pull a John Cullen and be traded?
3) Was his previous success only due to the presence of
   Muller and Shanahan?

Just wondering....

Smitty in Colorado
smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: BRUINS PLAYING OVER T
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:43:44 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec11.003745.15273@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1g8eihINNqii@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>>In article <2187.47.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol)  writes:
>>>The Bruins are a lousy team.  They are winning with smoke and mirrors.
>>>They players they have are good to average.
>>>
>>>For you Montreal fans they won the their last Stanley Cup
>>>because they did not get to face the mightly Oilers that year.
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>That because the mightly (sic) oilers fell to the MIGHTIER FLAMES
>>that year in a very tough 7 game series.  I hate to make 
>>excuses, but Calgary would have gave Montreal a better series
>>if they didn't screw up in the third period in game 5 
>>against the Blues that year.  
>>
>
>Now if Steve Smith hadn't of put the puck into his own net late
>in the third period of the seventh game...the reality is that
>the Flames were on the verge of losing that series against the
>Oilers because the momemtum had turned...
>
>Gerald

Gerald,

That Smith goal helped, but Calgary simply outplayed Edmonton
in that series.  I unbiasly think that Calgary would still
have won without the Smith gift.  If I remember correctly, 
Calgary was up 3-2 and going home, but lost in the Saddledome 
to send it to the 'smear for game 7.  I don't think the 
momentum had turned because both games 6 and 7 were very
close.  I don't think it was a case of Calgary on the 
verge of losing that series (which was the case against
the Canucks in 1989).  Instead it was Edmonton hanging on to
the end.  Again, I think that Calgary deserved to win
that series.

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: IZVESTIJA: Sweden-Finland
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:09:37 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1992Dec17.114001.6993@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> Some notes:
>
> - The ice was in a very poor condition so the pucks bounced all the time.

Not surprising. Most of their ice-making facilities are quite antiquated
and with hockey left to survive on its own without any backing from the
government, I wouldn't be at all schocked if some of their smaller clubs
and rinks simply shut down. I still have to give Russians credit for putting
on this tournament(isn't it like 15th or 20th anniversary of the Izvestia Cup
this year?) despite tough economic conditions. As a sidenote : The legendary
Vladimir Petrov, of the famous Petrov-Kharlamov-Mikhailov line, is the
current czar of the Russian Hockey Federation. Also,Russian teams are touring
the States again and playing mostly college teams during the annual break in
the Russian League. Moscow Spartak is playing Boston Collge team on
Monday(12/21).

>   
> - The rink didn't have plexiglass behind the goals like usual, but instead
>   it had some kind of net! 

It's an old fish-net that has been used in many smaller ex-Soviet rinks up until
late '70. I think all major hockey arenas in Moscow have plexiglass.
NHL used it decades and decades ago before the plexiglass was introduced.
-PPV Mark
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Re: New Mike Lange-isms
Followup-To: New Mike Lange-isms
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Dec17.141130.2836@philabs.philips.com>
	<1992Dec17.164817.16965@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:48:26 GMT


Richard A Gemeinhart writes:

   >>He has a new saying after a Penguin goal:  "How much fried chicken can
   >>you eat?"
   >
   >Seems kinda backwards to me-- given the new Penguins logo, he should
   >say that when somebody burns Barrasso for a goal...

   the new logo kinda grows on you if you give it a chance.  don't get me wrong I 
   don't love it.

Until Steigerwald started talking about the new saying, I thought it was "How much
striped chicken can you eat?"  And since Lange said it after the umpteenth penguin 
goal - and the new logo, which looks like a striped chicken, is on every home puck,
I thought the question was directed towards the opposing goalie.

My thoughts on this (and I know I'm in a very small minority) are that Steigerwald
didn't hear the saying right and when he started talking about it to Lange, Lange
just humored him and said, "How much fried chicken can YOU eat, Steigy?"

Lori, if you still have the game on tape, could you check to see what was said?
I know you'll do this for me, since we are such good friends.  Thanks.

Kevin
From: allen.henton@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Allen Henton) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: REMEANINGLESS REG. SEASON
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: allen.henton@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Allen Henton) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

        Browsing your message, I find one thing that doesn't make any
sense to me.
        How can you say that the regular season is meaningless?

        Take for example a few years agop when Theoren Fleury came into
the league.  How did he make it to the NHL?

        Unless I'm very mistaken is was probably due to injuries in the
flames organisation during the MEANINGLESS REGULAR SEASON.  Just think
if the flames didn't get Fluery because whoever it was did'nt get hurt,
would they be where they are today (by the way i personally hate the
flames)?

        Second, is the regular season going to be so meaningless with
the addition of two more teams who have to play the meaningless regular
season with all that they have just to have a hope of making the
playoffs to be bumped out in the first round.

        i just think that if you really think about it the regular
season does mean something, and will mean something more in the very
near future with the addition of all of these expansion teams.

        I do however really belive that if the NHL adopted a wioldcard
system like that in use by the NFL, that it would not make the regul;ar
season meaningless, but make it more interesting, especially in the
weaker divisions, like the adams.

        Could you imagine if the league used the wildcard setup what the
race would be like between the Patrick and Adams division??? Just to see
who would make the playoffs?

        That's all for now, gotta go.

        Allen.
                                               
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Official Expansion: Anaheim and Miami - No Joke
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.224419.22467@draco.macsch.com> bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey) writes:
>
>While McNall's team has been profitable and playing to sellout crowds
>without the injured Wayne Gretzky, some of his other business ventures
>have not fared as well lately.  The most prominent example is his 
>football team, the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League,
>which he owns with Gretzky and actor John Candy.  That franchise lost
>about $7-million (U.S.) in the last two years."
>

Note: Rocket Ismail's salary for the last two years...$9 million...is
the reason the Argonauts lost money.

>In the long term, a team owned by Disney could challenge the Kings.
>
>"Disney is such a first-rate operation, you know there's going to be
>competition in the L.A. market." King president Roy Mlakar told
>reporters at the NHL meetings.  "But Bruce McNall, as chairman, had
>to do what was right for hockey.  It means we're going to have to
>work even harder."
>

Rivalries attract attention...the Miami vICE will ultimately help
the Tampa Lightning more than hurt...the Disneyland Ducks (I actually 
of like that without "the mighty" part)...and the proximity of teams will
help the travel schedules and hence the performance of all the teams
involved.

Gerald
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From: bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:50:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.170112.21114@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com> jzuena@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (John Zuena) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
>>>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
>>>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
>>>the year after that...
>>
>>
>>  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
>>rioting in the streets...
>>
>>  Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is going
>>to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California Area, when
>>the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
>>sold, it's just no one is attending...)
>>
>>  Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
>>Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move Hartford
>>to Hamilton)...
>>
>>  Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
>>Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....
>
>Do I have my geography wrong, or is Anaheim pretty close to Inglewood?
>When I was in LA, the map had the Forum and the Big A labelled.  With all
>the talk about Hamilton not getting a franchise because they were within
>100 miles of the Sabers' arena, why no talk about a new team within 100
>miles of the Kings' arena?  How far is it from one to the other anyway?
>
>- John Z. 

It is 30 miles from the Forum in Inglewood to the new arena
under construction in Anaheim.

Brian Casey
bnc@macsch.com
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Sorry, another Lindros post
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:18:36 GMT


Before, a lot of people were saying that the main reason for Lindros'
success this season has been the fact that he's playing with Recchi.
Well, if anything, the opposite might be true.
Check out Recchi's stats from before the Lindros injury, and compare them
to his stats *since* the injury.  Recchi had only 1 point this week, if
I'm not mistaken.

What does that tell you about Lindros?
I think he's *under*rated!!!!


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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:32:37 GMT

MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>In <1992Dec11.052340.21737@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca writes:

>> In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>> >golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>> >
>> >>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
>> >>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
>> >>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
>> >>the year after that...
>> >
>> >  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
>> >rioting in the streets...
>> >

>Wrong again, Gerald! Hamiltonians already have the Maple Leafs and Sabres (OK,
>some distance away though). The three established franchises around the
>Southern Ontario area (Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit) don't need another team
>stealing their fans. 

There are around 8 million people in Ontario, most of them in the
Southern Ontario area. Detroit can get all the fan support it needs
from the Detroit/Windsor area. (Detroit is a real sporting town.)
There are more than enough fans in the Oshawa-Toronto-Missisagua-Hamilton
(and surrounding) area to keep both Toronto and Hamilton happy.

The problem is Buffalo. They can't support their own team, so they
screw Hamilton for fans.
From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/12
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec14.124942.17752@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.064110.2590@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>* The expansion cash cut will be: L.A., $25 Million; Ottawa and
>>Tampa Bay, $0, and all others $3.4 Million.
>
>What this means is that Ottawa and Tampa failed to live up to the
>financial terms of the original expansion, and that the other owners
>must have agreed to relax the conditions of their deals, and hence
>Ottawa and Tampa, as a result probably forfeited their share.
>

Well, I'm either a bit confused or overly picky!.  Of the $100 million in
expansion monies, the Kings are getting $25 million.  That leaves $75 million.

If the remaining 23 teams split it equally, that is $3.26 million each.
If it is split 21 ways (minus Ottawa and Tampa), that is $3.57 million each.
How did we get $3.4 million each?

Here on the West Coast, it is being reported that the remaining $75 million will
be split equally between the remaining 23 teams, this INCLUDES Ottawa and Tampa.
Now this was reported several times in the THE hockey bible, the LA Times!
so there!  Besides, if Stan Fischler says that Ottawa and Tampa get $0, then I
know it's NOT true.

Stan 
net contact: LA Kings
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Sandstrom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:48:16 GMT
Distribution: na


In article <4f_Yk1O00UhW82fCwi@andrew.cmu.edu> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Young-Soo Che) writes:
>Does anybody out there know when Sandstrom is getting back for sure?
>He's killing my fantasy hockey-team for not being back.  I'm also
>hurting on the account of the MacInnis injury, great luck i have dont i?

The last I heard, Sandstrom will be out for approximately three more
weeks :-(

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!!


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From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:10:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

I personally think that LA does not need another team. If you are going to
give another team to Southern California, put it farther south. Nearer
Long Beach and San Diego (somewhere in between would be nice.) I'm a die
hard Kings fan and spend my time in LA when not in school. I don't think
the LA area is ready for another hockey team. I would go north of San
Francisco like maybe Seattle.

Mike
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 18:04:45 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Manon dressing tomorrow 12/12

An article in the Chicago Tribune sports sections states that
Manon Rheaume will be suiting up as back-up goalie for the Atlanta Knights
when they play the Indianapolis Ice, in Indianapolis, this Saturday,
Dec. 12th.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu

PS. If anyone is going to the game and can get me an autographed picture
    of Ms. Rheaume, I would be most appreciative.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL on ... Disney Channel???
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:04:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Dec16.031125.9823@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
>>
>>If it makes it to Disney Channel, I'd be suprized.
>
>option/desperation year.  The NHL could also get greedy and decide
>that where they can't get onto Pay-Per-View or are getting too many
>conflicts with Pro Beach Volleyball on ESPN, they'll go to a better
>pay service like "Disney at Night".  If you look at the schedules, at
>

From all reports,ESPN is delighted with the NHL's expansion plans
which could finally make things possible for a birth of much-awaited
ESPN 2. Apparently with the new baseball pact landing on ESPN again 
starting with 1994 season,MBL,NCAA and NHL will not be on the same channel
grumbling about having their TV schedule adjusted due to season conflicts
which will make all sides very happy.

>Having Disney push the NHL could be a monster ... Imagine "The Wayne
>Gretzky Story" starring the kid from "Danger Bay" as The Great One,
>Wings Hauser as Glen Sather and Wil Wheaton of "Star Trek: TNG" as
>Kevin Lowe ...
>

They might resurrect "The Wonderfull World of Disney" movie :-). Also,
I can envision the shelves in the Sports section of all Blockbuster
stores filled with NHL tapes including the expansion's Miami IceBreakers'
hi-lights of the inaguaral season.

-PPV Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: * status of these players...
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:25:17 GMT


Ray Whitney is playing in Sharks right now. 1 goal 3 assists in 6 games.


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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Habs tix
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:12:42 GMT


Does anyone out there either have tickets for sale or know a way to get
tickets for the Islanders game on the 23rd?

I know there are standing room tickets left, but there's no way my girlfriend
is gonna be willing to stand for 3 hours again!!!

Thanks,

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From: macauley@bmerh760.bnr.ca (John MacAuley)
Subject: Ottawa and Mike's Bossey
Keywords: Bossey Mike Ottawa
Reply-To: macauley@bmerh760.bnr.ca (John MacAuley)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:44:44 GMT

I was in Montreal this week and had an opportunity to read the
Gazette sport section.  In it there was an article about the
Senators' owner calling Mike Bossey one night at 1:00am and
asked him if he would like to be a player/coach for Ottawa.
Is this true?  This is definitely the first I have heard about
it.  To finnish the story, Mike never received a follow up
call and has been shooting his mouth off about the deal being
off.  He said there was no way they could treat him like that
an expect him to still accept an offer.

Hmmmm....  1:00am?  I think someone was drunk and upset about
a loosing streak, besides from what Mike was saying they never
had a deal in the first place.

john.


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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sens fans weep over 93 draft
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:40:06 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

srklump@zeno10.math.UWaterloo.ca (Stephen Klump) writes:

>Damndamndamn!  Now both Daigle and Kozlov will labour unloved and
>unknown in the hockey limbos of Miami and Anaheim, when either could
>have been a Demigod in Ottawa. 

Hold out hope. I've heard that the existing expansion teams draft places
will be protected, so Anaheim and Miami will draft after Ottawa and San Jose
and Tampa. (I wonder what they'll do with hartford?)
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            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
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                       Sterling Holloway: We'll miss you.
From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Dec. 12, 1992
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:35:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Just to clear up something that Don "Rush Limbaugh" Cherry said.   You
quoted him as saying that "all of a sudden Ulf's cheek is not broken."
Ulf Cheek bone IS still broken, the only reason he is able to play is
because they gave him one of those Pat Lafontaine-style masks that goes
down past his chin.

If Don Cherry knew Jack-shit about hockey, he'd still be coaching.  Only
he'd be losing because of his xenophobic attitudes which would preclude
him from having and non-anglo-Canadians on his team.

Dean

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