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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female
Summary: possibly incipient game invitation ...
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:21:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.180841.7448@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
writes:

>	That is my most FAvorite GAME IN THE WORLD.
>	I have the Advanced version of it, and am wishing there
>were people who wanted to play aournd here....

>	I'd even travel to NY to play, if there were crash space.
>(hint hint hint).

Well, I went up to New Hampshire after Christmas specifically to
play it, and we usually try to set up a game or six every year
down here -- but as many of our players are seminarians or other
people who've lived on campus [the NH one is a priest who used
to be at St. Luke's in the Village and is now a rector in Keane]
they tend to move away and leave us somewhat short.  The game is
always better with 6 or 7 players, so I'll try to check on your
schedule when we're setting something up.  Vesta (the NH priest)
might also be interested if you could make it over there.  Yes,
we have (and play) the Advanced Set.  Now I can buy Mathematics!

You should really try to entice Dyer to play -- I think he might
love it.  It's just humanly-complex enough to drive an engineer
bats.

Yes, crash space would be possible :-)
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Celia Cruz (Was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:02:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <4JAN93.16154615@enh.nist.gov> 
aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

I wrote:
> >As I've written here more than once, I think the most beautiful 
> >woman alive today is Celia Cruz.

> As an aside, she just held what she billed as the first AIDS awareness
> fundraiser for the Hispanic community in Little Havana a few weeks ago.

Better late than never I suppose.

> It was a resounding success and she may do the same in other communities.
> This is an issue she has become passionately involved with in the last
> couple of years.

Yet *another* reason why I love Celia Cruz. 

Arne
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:21:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <C0p7C4.HHt@fig.citib.com> 
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

> You couldn't pay me to live in Southern California
> at this point.  

I'd be happy to collect a salary merely for living here.

Arne
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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:07:09 GMT

In article <mattm-050193154853@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
>A. Thomas) wrote:
>
>> What a maroon. The only reason that LA moved theirs is
>> so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
>> and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
>> that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
>> as he might think it ought to.
>
>Nonsense!  We are at the epicenter of the known Universe!
>All things revolve around San Francisco!  Why, there isn't
>a day that goes by I am not made dizzy by the swirling 
>maelstrom of activity.  Perferdidious in the extreme to
>claim otherwise!  
>
Nah.  It's the RAID that makes you dizzy.
From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cl*yt*n - who are you?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:19:12 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <C0EG52.FIo@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, by ouz085@cck.coventry.ac.uk (J Murdock):

> Given the regularity with which the unpleasant chappy posts, 
> surely he should be in the picture archive?

I just can't help but ponder:

Just what would you do while looking at his picture?  :-)
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:57:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan4.075702.26665
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan04.045045.6303@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>But, still, when we're on our way to movie, and stop at a convenience
>store so he can get some movie candy and I say "don't get me any candy"
>he will also buy extra for me and slip it to me during the movie. Yes,
>discipline freaks, I could say no, but I don't.
>I've been losing weight off and on for three years, a pound or two
>month, and until a few months ago exercising regularly (why I stopped
>is another story).

It might be a good idea to take Lyndol aside at a time when you're
not dealing with movies or candy and have a tete-a-tete asking why
he insists on undermining your efforts.  I swear this is even more
insidious than self-righteous nagging.  I can only be thankful that
this particular issue hasn't been a problem for me--Tony is much more
disciplined than I am, and though he doesn't have a weight problem, he
has to adhere to a low-fat diet to control his cholesterol, so that, if
anything, his at-times-superhuman self-restraint reinforces my own feeble
efforts.  When I do have problems (which hasn't been too often, luckily),
I assume the roles of both Lyndol and Frank simultaneously.

>So maybe I shouldn't bitch about Lyndol's lack of
>diet savvy, but frankly anyone who's never had a weight problem really
>toasts my crumpet. (As Roseanne Barr said in her original HBO special:
>"I have one I want to say all you skinny women in the audience: Fuck off!")

I think you _should_ bitch.  You could show him your article and this one,
for example.  I mean, I know what's going through MY mind, when I'm tempted
to eat: the short term instantaneous pleasure threatens to overwhelm the
knowledge that long term success is only achieved by routinely saying no
to such temptations.  But you have to wonder what's going through someone
ELSE's mind when they try to tempt you towards behaviors you've made an
effort to avoid.  What's the reward there?  It escapes me.  But I suspect
there's some pathology there.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stanford Shopping Center (was Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair)
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:49:48 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan6.041722.21913@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
|>In article <mattm-050193082830@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) writes:
|>>In article <1993Jan5.143333.29021@Princeton.EDU>,
|>>sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) wrote:
|>>
|>>> How about the Monterey Market?  It was a savior for us kitchen queens,
|>>> though I never did understand how they could have the best produce at
|>>> the best prices and still pay Stanford Shopping Center rents.
|>>
|>>The Monterey Market certainly qualifies as one of The Great Mysteries
|>>As Yet Unexplained by Modern Science.  And there are some Caaayuuutteeee
|>>waiters across the way at Max's Cafe.
|>>
|>>*X*
|>
|>I've actually never shopped there.  I always assumed it was an
|>overpriced yuppie market, but I'll check it out.
|>
|>And I can't even go in Max's anymore.  If I hear "Empty Chairs at
|>Empty Tables" again, I'll draw blood.  
|>
|>--scoT
|>

I gave up on the Monterey Market when it started taking more time to
park than it did to shop.

Now I go Whole Foods.  Besides, there is this awfully cute woman with
short hair and purple high-tops who works there.


|>-- 
|> ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
|> \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
|>  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
|>   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
                           
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Non sequitur (was: race based fetishes)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:28:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.154330.17630@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> 
> We've discussed the question of G?M seeks same before on MOTSS,

I momentarily got this confused with another thread, and thought
"surely you know his middle initial is D?"
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:06:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan12.210601.27131
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan12.153254.24469@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>I mean my roommate is out as all hell and in the old days use to do a
>thriving business down at the Wilsonville Rest Stop....

did your roommate meet Lon Mabon, Scott Lively, or any of the other
OCA crowd that hangs around Wilsonville?

>Giving my ex a blow job up in the parking lot in Austin, Barton Creek, was
>a gast!

giving my ex a blow job up on Enchanted Rock (hour and a half west of
Austin) was one of the least pleasant sexual acts I've ever performed.
The only thing I could think about was some of the Bubbas that were
there walking up behind us with a Coors beer and a shotgun.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/             Some things are just pictures before your eyes
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:50:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.115005.7969
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <thaaang.726304466@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>The neatest perfume bottle I've seen lately is the container for
>Donna Karan New York Parfum; it's kind of a cross between a bird
>and a gilded penis.
>
>(I don't buy scents because I don't have taste in scents. If it's
>a perfume, I don't go 'Eww!' or 'Ooh!', I merely think 'Oh, a smell'
>and move on. I can't pick out a favorite because all such things
>strike me as variations on the same thing. I'm so hopelessly
>uncultured... is there a way to learn how to pick scents, besides
>going to a perfume counter with someone knowledgeable about such
>things and having them explain?)

A good book will help you go far, but I suspect that buying a few
essences will do much better, you can mix them on the skin, and see
what happens when they react with your body acids. Patchouli,
Bergamot, Attar of Rose, A Vanilla Bean, Essence of Lavender,
Calendula, Myrrh, Frankincense, etc. There was an interesting fiction
work, "Perfume", by I think Patrick Suskind, but that might be the
wrong author. Nicely done.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: blom@dutind5.twi.tudelft.nl (Caspar Blom)
Subject: Promising first encounters
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:06:39 GMT

Can anybody provide me with interesting and useful answers to the following
questionnaire? I guess most of them are typical for novices, so those
who have experience or know the theory are invited to send me the answers.

-1) Meeting somebody you like emotionally or sexually how can you be sure
    that the feeling is mutual (when you are in a neutral place)? 
    (Is there a check-list?). Surely there must be something known about
    the language of the eyes. 
-2) After having established the other person's amiable attitude towards you
    or having noticed the other person's interest in you how does one proceed
    if one does not know the other person? 
    What is one supposed to do if the opening line does not trigger the 
    desired relaxed conversation?
-3) If you don't like bars, so what are good places for meeting nice people?
    I have once read that it may well happen  when you are just walking
    around but approaching people in such a situation can be a bit awkward
    and you certainly need a good opening line in such a case. I suppose
    weddings of some friends are only for heterosexuals a good meeting place.
-4) Is there any literature available that that gives you the encouraging
    examples of other people's "first times"? Or would any of you be so kind
    as to send me an account of the essentials of your experience?

I apologize for my English. I realize it must sound a bit cool but English
is not my native tongue.
I would be very much obliged to anyone answering the above questions.
Caspar Blom, 
blom@dv.twi.tudelft.nl
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Provo Utah and area...
Keywords: information, provo, utah
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:14:45 GMT

> mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson) writes:

>being sent out on a business trip to Provo, UT, one has to wonder what
>are the "don't miss" things there...

Well, if you take Interstate 15 north to Salt Lake City,
then head west on Interstate 80, you'll eventually reach
San Francisco...

(sorry :-))
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From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:37:03 GMT

In article <TIM.93Jan11064708@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
(Tim Wilson) writes:

>I was personally surprised by the ease with which many contributors
>treated the problem as a theoretical one; there were subject headers
>like "How far to defend our fellow queers" and the like. 

For a lot of people it is a theoretical issue.  I've seen a glory hole
on a few occasions, and toilets without doors on rather more
occasions, but that is about it.  This is why I wonder how seriously
to take complaints of rampant tearoom sex and cum all over the
place--I hadn't noticed.  On the other hand, if there really is
rampant tearoom sex and cum all over the place, it is silly to suppose
that people will not complain, and presumptuous to claim that they
shouldn't.

Maybe you could clarify what is going on in your local tearoom in
terms of cum splatteration and visible sex, and compare that to what
you think ought to be allowed to go on; I'm a little lost as to what
exactly is happening or normally does.

>The discussion has been clouded by the H-word:  harassment.  Some
>think that cruising bathrooms harasses the straight guys who pee
>there.

Once again, what does this involve in practice?

>As the recent interactions with Cr*m*r and W*lt*r brought forth,
>education is often a wasted effort.  How does one approach similar
>attitudes within the community?

It may be a wasted effort, but educate away anyway.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:20:38 GMT

In article <mattm-060193093012@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> > As I sure you are now getting the drift,
> > the gay center of the solar system is clearly more southerly...
> 
> Hah!  Prepostidigious!  *South* of the Bay Area, one finds only
> a endless, swelling sea of swollen hedonists 

  As opposed to, say, flaccid hedonists? Sounds bueno to me. 

> - each more concerned
> than the next about the cut of cashmere overcoats in fashion for
> the week, nevermind the absurdity of *wearing* such a coat in
> the So Cal clime.  

  I got to where my *overcoat* today! Phbbbbt.

> If not cashmere overcoats, it's bicep structure -
> not necessary *size*; but rather *structure* - as in "my arms are
> more classically beautiful than your arms."

  Careful Matthew, your going to start working your little self into
a hedonistic, yet flaccid, frenzy.

> Southern Californians are too self-centered as *individuals* to be
> self-centered as a geographic location...  

  Yes, but we do manufacture a goodly amount of bubble butted
blond boyz. I think it's our chief export these days.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Followup-To: Scot N Gibson <prufrock@leland.stanford.edu>
Summary: {puuulease).
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:55:28 GMT

In article <73149@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>[Aside to Messrs. Dyer and Minar:]
>
>I don't know where Steve got the idea I'm "prejudiced" against
>Arne. It's not like I met him in person, decided I didn't care
>for him and from *that* perspective find his postings abrasive.
>I've never met him in person; my entire opinion of him is derived
>from the nasty, vitriolic postings to .motss that Steve finds so
>inexplicably charming. So telling me to "read without prejudice"
>would only lead to me coming to the same conclusion all over
>again.

     [...] 

>Talk about an utterly clueless piece of self-absorbed shit.
>Try re-reading this, moron -- maybe you'll catch a badly
>needed clue:

     [...]

>Putting shit like that in a message where you whine about not
>being able to fathom why I find you about as pleasant as salt
>in an open wound is an *amazing* -- though not uncharacteristic
>--example of your hypocrisy.

>[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
>[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]

See, we even have the camp-impaired here.  And who says that soc.motss
is not an equal opportunity newsgroup.

--scoT

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 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
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   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:56:18 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California

> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>Whatever happened to different strokes for different folks?
>>Maybe it's time for Lipstick Liberation for Boys.
>
>Guess what: it's already happened.  But it's not called "lipstick",
>it's called "moisurizing emollient color enhancing rod"...

...but all my friends call me "hey you"...

Rod
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: on TV this week...
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:08:18 GMT


Just a quick reminder folx:

Tori Amos is supposed to be on the "Tonight Show" (the one with Jay Leno)
on 12 Jan 93.

Madonna is supposed to be on "Saturday Night Live" on 16 Jan 93.


Rendell

p.s. "Stimpy's First Fart" is supposed to be on MTV on Wednesday
13 Jan 93 somewhere between 10pm to midnight (Eastern).
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:05:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.160503.16798
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <manz.726323937@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>In <1993Jan5.235514.7783@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan5.225600.25862@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>Will it sound like "I had no idea there were so many soap users here"
>>>if I say "I had no idea there were so many cologne wearers here"?
>>>
>>  Frightening, is it?
>>  Actually, for very specific reasons, I would not *dare* wear
>>  a cologne.  I've never worn a cologne.
>
>I rarely wear one.  I've only ever found one that I like and 
>doesn't turn mr into a mucous factory (Drakkar.)  
>
>>  How does the absence of one strike people?  Just boring?  Or
>
>It rarely strikes me at all.
>
>>  do natural odors (er, fragrances) come through even over a
>>  daily bathing routine?
>
>Most definitely.  Everybody has their own distinctive odour,
>whether natural or from a commonly used fragrance.  I recall

If they're lucky. No one in my family has any sort of permanent body
odor. Unless I haven't taken a bath or shower for a week or so, I have
no scent (unless I've been working at the gym a lot, but even then my
perspiration is fairly watery). Occasionally I have a body scent. It
didn't even occur to me what deodorant actually did until I had a
roommate who used it in college.

I love body smells, even really powerful ones...
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Another Group Joins Boycott
Organization: Enhanced Cybernetic Logic Operating Systems Group
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:10:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.002500.28575@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
>I haven't verified this yet, but I noticed that my company is now
>offering Ski weekends to Wyoming instead of the usual Colorado.  If your
>company offers such weekends, you might want to ask the person
>in-charge to at least look into Utah, Wyoming, California, or even
>Canada (the last one might be more interesting to those never having
>been out of the country).

Please don't forget Vermont, New Hampshire and Michigan! :)

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