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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:13:51 GMT

In article <C0Hu4D.CyE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune) writes:

>So it took approximately 500 years (from 1200 BC to 700 BC) from 
>the onset of the "Dark Ages" before "rejuvenation" began in 700 BC.
>
>If we assume that China's "Dark Ages" began with the collapse of
>the Ching Dynasty, then we have to wait 400 more years before
>"rejuvination".

Just for the sake of argument (I don't quite believe this "taking 500 year"
thing):

you should really count the "Dark Ages" from the time of the downfall of the
Tang Dynasty.  Since then, China went through the Five Dynasties (mostly
non-Chinese governments in the north, great destruction due to warfare),
Sung Dynasty (wimpy), Sung/Jin period (Jin governmental structure was
horrible), the Mongol period (Yuan Dynasty), the worst dynasty ever in
Chinese history IMPO (Ming Dynasty), and the Ching Dynasty (initially) actually
rejuvenated China (if you can call it China) for a short span.  If you count
the entire period as a dark age, then, it has been almost a thousand years.
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lo Han Kuo beverage and fruit, what are they?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:23:31 GMT
Organization: Yangtz Riverside
In-reply-to: jjj@mits.mdata.fi's message of 10 Jan 93 15:16:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.151608.11051@prime.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:

>   Is there an English/Latin name for Lo Han Kuo fruit, which is used in
>   manufacturing the Lo Han Kuo beverage cubes?

>   I think it's extremely funny that the stuff smells like meat soup ;-)

Don't know its English/Latin name, but Lo Han Kuo fruit is supposed 
to be good for human's pharynx, larynx, trachea, and esophagus 
(or throat, refer to Webster's dictionary), according to Tradional 
Chinese Medicine. Do you feel good after drink that beverage? 
Lo Han Kuo fruit itself never smells like meat soup to me. Probably
the beverage is mixed with something, or meat soup :-).

Ed Pi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yma@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (William Ma)
Subject: Re: Does Fudan Univ in Shanghai have internet access?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:24:39 GMT

In article <20718@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> itistang@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Clayton Tang) writes:
>
>  Does the Fudan university in Shanghai have any unix machines? Does 
>anyone know the host names, or better yet, IP addresses of those
>machines? I assume they also use English on the computers, so I hope
>that I don't need any special software to communicate. Who has access
>to those computers anyway, any student or just grad students?
>

Unix machine is not enough for you to communicate with those in Shanghai. You can only
communicate with those who have  access to the internet. That means the machine which you 
want to communicate with must has access to the internet through network gateway.
It works like a telephone system. 

As I know, in China, the access to internet is under control by government. Until now,
only Tsinghua has access to internet, and a few people have permission to use it. 

You don't need unix machine necessarily. Many other operating systems also
support internet access. For example, IBM VM.

William
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:32:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.224408.22668@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:
>In article 28917@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>
>>	I find it interesting that most Chinese I question about Jesus'
>>"miracles" consider them to be a bunch of horseshit, but almost all of 
>
>Is there any connection between "miracles" and qi-gong?  Why are you asking
>this non-related question?  There are plenty of performance of qi-gong on
>book, TV, shows, circus, etc.  Your "miracles" is something in the religion
>area.  Well there are plenty of "shows" on that too...
>
>>these people believe that qi gong is very real (though there are some 
>>charlatans). If you are in this group, I have a couple of questions for
>>you:
>>
>>	(1) Can non-Chinese master qi gong?
>>
>Why not?  From a scientfic point of view, any human body consists of similar
>bio system.  But qi-gong needs lots of practice to master and practice takes
>time.  Just like any other sports or performing arts.  It is NO miracle though
>there may be some natural talents takes less time than other to master the art.
>
>>	(2) If your answer to (1) is "yes", then do non-Chinese have to learn
>>		qi gong from a (Chinese) master, or can one learn/discover it
>>		on one's own?
>>
>Can anyone learn to play the piano by himself?  Sure!  Can he perform in Carnegie
>Hall, No!  Should his teacher be Chinese or non-Chinese?  It doesn't matter as long
>as that teacher is a good teacher.  But most importantly, LOTS of pratice!  Remember,
>1% inspiration and 99% perspiration!
>

	You haven't answered the *implied* question. If you are in the group
I delineated (believe in qi gong, but don't believe in the miracles), and
you say that anyone can master qi gong, then why can't Jesus have had qi gong?

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:18:00 GMT

In article 6000@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.180340.29659@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:
>>..deleted... 
>>>
>>>	You haven't answered the *implied* question. If you are in the group
>>>I delineated (believe in qi gong, but don't believe in the miracles), and
>>>you say that anyone can master qi gong, then why can't Jesus have had qi gong?
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>I guess it may be better for you to explain what you meant exactly by "miracles"?
>>and also what are you implying?
>>
>>David W.
>>
>>
>
>By miracles I mean walking on water (deep ocean water), turning water into
>wine, feeding hundreds of people with a few fish and a couple of loaves of
>bread, bringing Lazarus (and himself) back from the dead, etc.
>

Never heard of these things are related to qi gong...did the Bible said so?

>And by qi gong, I mean the same types of things: curing people with terminal
>diseases, jumping from the ground onto the top of a three story building,
>seeing thru walls of concrete two feet thick, etc.
>

Now let's look at just something more basic:  I have seen Karate (or KungFu) players
using qi-gong to bend steel wire; letting a spear poke on their necks, slowly of 
course; slege hammering a large stone on their chests; submerge in water for long time; eating nails and broken glasses...etc.  All these are real and for sure not everyone 
can do them, or want to do them.  Your kind of description of qi gong is way up 
somewhere that I don't even want to attempt to analyze.  The bottom line is that 
qi gong is real and description of it is getting way out of hand.  BTW, seeing thru 
walls, looking by using ears; adding up numbers fater than computer etc. is something 
that may need to discover later.  Are you sure that they are related to the qi gong
I discuss above?


>What I'm implying is: if some people believe in the "miracles" of qi gong,
>but dismiss the "miracles" of Jesus, there must be some difference between
>what Jesus did and what qi gong is, and I'd like to have that difference
>explained to me. Sorry if I wasn't clearer originally.
>
>Mark
>

Too bad I have not seen nor heard of your claims of qi gong.  I am agnostic but not
yet seeing any relationship between qi gong and Jesus.  

David W.



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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:11:38 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin
Summary: China's hope(?) CCP taught to eat human flesh
Keywords: World #1 crime

In article <1993Jan7.223651.24288@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> (Wai-Ming To) writes:
>
>   The following article, written by Nicholas D. Kristof for the New
>York Times on 1/6/1993, is about cannibalism in Guangxi Province during
>the Cultural Revolution 
>=============================================================================
>
>   Newly disclosed confidential government documents suggest that the
>Cultural Revolution plumbed previously unreported depths of savagery.
>   Copies of the documents have been smuggled out of China by Zheng Yi,
>
>			Some  Ugly  Details
>
>   At some high schools, students killed their principals in the school
>courtyard and then cooked and ate the bodies to celebrate a triumph over
>"counterrevolutionaries", the documents report. Government-run cafeterias
>are said to have displayed bodies dangling on meat hooks and to have
>served human flesh to employees.
>   "There are many varieties of cannibalism," declares one report, "and
>among them are these: killing someone and making a late dinner of it,
>slicing off the meat and having a big party, dividing up the flesh so
>each person takes a large chunk home to boil, roasting the liver and
>eating it for its medicinal properties, and so on."
>
>   The documents suggest that at least 137 people, and probably hundreds
>more, were eaten in Guangxi Province in southern China in the late 1960's.
>In most cases, many people ate the flesh of one corpse, so the number of
>cannibals may have numbered in the thousands.
>
>   In an interview after he left China and was waiting for his United
>States visa, Mr. Zheng cited one example from his own research in Guangxi:
>the first person to strip meat from the body of one school principal was
>the former girlfriend of the man's son; she wanted to show that she had no
>sympathy for him and was just as "red" as anybody else.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: an4767@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Single Male (OH) seeks East Asian Female
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:04:29 GMT


Hi,

I am a single male in Cincinnati, ISO a single east asian woman in the
Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. I am 5'8", 170 lbs, black hair, brown eyes
and 25 years old. My interests include dancing, going to plays and shows,
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If you are in the general area of Cincinnati and are interested in 
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Oh ... all I desire in a person is an open mind and a sense of adventure :-).



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Bosnia Rape, What Could the World Do?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:42:41 GMT

In article <C03n1x.CEu@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.235136.4719@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
> >In article <C03HJs.8qL@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang  
Yuanxin)  
> >writes:
> >>    I didn't finish reading it, because I just DON't BELIEVE IT IS TRUE!
> >> 
> >>    If people in that country(former Yogoslavia) can commit this kind of
> >> crime, I can't trust the woman who told the story.....
> >> 
> >> YY
> >
> >You are right. The news is not from People's Daily. It is a lie. Only  
People's  
>  If people's daily tell the same story, I will believe it's true.
>  but so far I haven't seen PD's report yet.
> 
> >Daily has truth. You don't even need to comment on this. Everybody knows  
that  
> >only People's Daily speaks of truth.
> 
>   Mostly.
> 
> > Long live Mao Zhuxi!
>   
>   I shout this many decades ago.        
>   Chairman Mao stands for honest, justice, truth, progress, correctness,
>   peace, love, care..... that's the reason you guys hate him.
> 
>   

You are right again. Mao stands for honest and justice because he killed many  
of his dear comrades during power struggles. Mao stands for progrss because  
China's economy is still left behind and millions of people starved to death in  
early 1960s. Mao stands for correctness, peace and love because he started the  
Culture Revolution and prosecuted millions of people. 

I admire your way of thinking. Oh, of course, I forget, you might have benefit  
a lot from the above Mao's great deeds.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: li-qing@meme.cs.uec.ac.jp (Li Qing)
Subject: test,
Organization: The University of Electro-Communications, Tokyo, Japan.
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:11:43 GMT

test
From: jaylem@silver.spear.apana.org.au (Jaylem Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Notebook PC's
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:03:20 +1100

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino:
Subject: Re: Notebook PC's
From soc.culture.filipino Thu Jan  7 15:42:08 1993
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: notebook PC's
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:11:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.183001.9275@shearson.com> cabanero@shearson.com writes:
>>Before coming in to Manila, be sure to have all the receipts with you
>>proving that the machine is being brought in as used, and not new.  This
>>is to keep the customs people from insisting that your machine be 
>>assessed as new.
>>
>>Also, make sure that you *can* demonstrate to customs people that your
>>machine is indeed a computer by starting the operating system.  In airports
>>where security is tight, they try to screen the machine for possible
>>concealed bombs and such.  Starting a simple application, say a
>>wordprocessing >program, will usually allay their fears.
>
>>Bon voyage!
>>
>V
>>

>If your notebook has a Hard Drive, be careful with magnetic scanners that
>scan for bombs.  If they destroy your hard drive you may not be able to
>start the machine up to demonstrate that it is indeed a computer :)

>When I was there in the summer, we had to give "lagay" in order to get
>through with no hassle.  You may want to prepare for this.  Also, I looked
>at computer stores there and the prices of computers seemed to be the same.
>I found 486-33 Gateways for about the same price they were here last summer.
>(of course when converting from US $ to Phil Peso the prices were around
>P40,000 to about P60,000)_

>Hope this helps.

>Edsel Adap
--
To Honorio:

My husband has hand carried (lugged) his Compaq 386 Portable through
Manila Airport, to and from Australia without any problems. No fees,
paperwork or anything.
The computer went through many luggage scanners with no hard disk
problems.

I'm horrified that Edsel paid a "lagay", it shouldn't be.

Maligayang paglalakbay,

Jaylem Roberts 







Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: douglas@rush.emc.trw.com (Douglas McHugh)
Subject: Establishing a link to the NET
Organization: TRW Space & Defense, Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:24:50 GMT

I have been reading this news group (my wife is filipina) and I have 
have noticed that through some process, this net has gained access 
directly into the Philippines.

I will be going to Kuwait and would like to know what steps would be   
required to set up NET access directly into Kuwait.  Any help would
be appreciated.


douglas


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: San Diego Info (near UCSD)
From: evaleros@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Elsa Valeroso)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:42:50 EST

Hello!

Can someone please post or email me information on San Diego
(specifically near the UCSD/La Jolla area)?

Do I need an automobile?  Any bad areas/apartments that I 
should be aware of?  etc etc etc

The company i'll be working with is in University Center Lane.
I found some apartment names from a magazine that is walking 
distance to the office (i think).  Is it okay to live in the 
Lebon & Nobel corner?  Is there a grocery store nearby? What
about a shopping mall? Catholic church?  Filipino association?
Filipino or oriental stores for my sinigang and adobo mixes :-)?
Are supplies for the apartment (pots and pans, silverware, furniture,
appliances,etc) cheap? 

Maraming salamat.
and Manigong bagong taon sa inyong lahat...
From: fbp@igc.apc.org (Foreign Bases Project)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: BRIDGES: Health Care in Phil.
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:43:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472800019:000:826
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!fbp    Jan 11 16:43:00 1993


From: Foreign Bases Project <fbp>
Subject: BRIDGES: Health Care in Phil.

/* Written  4:43 pm  Jan 11, 1993 by fbp@igc.apc.org in igc:reg.philippine */
/* ---------- "BRIDGES: Health Care in Phil." ---------- */
The December 1992 issue of BRIDGES: Quaker International Report in on
the Philippines. Titled Determination and Disaster: A Close-up of the
Philippines, the 10-page publication is by Dr. Tess Burgos, American
Friends Service Committee (AFSC) Health Training Program Coordinator. 
It provides a framework for understanding current events in the
Philippines, taking a critical look at the Philippine government's lack of
response to health emergencies resulting from multiple natural disasters.

$1 postage from Literature Resources, AFSC, 1501 Cherry St., Philadelphia,
PA 19102. A year-long sub to BRIDGES is $15.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: sebri@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Doris L. Britton)
Subject: UST former classmates
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  7 Jan 1993 14:02 EST  

Hi, I am a new user and please excuse any errors that I might make.  I am 
looking for my former classmates from University of Santo Tomas, College
of Engineering (1967 graduates).  I left the Philippines as soon as I
graduated and missed on all the reunions.  If anybody is thimking of having
a reunion of some kind, please include me and I will go anywhere in the
USA.  I live in the west suburbs of Cleveland now and I work at NASA. My name
(before my marraige) was Adoracion Lejarde from Quezon City.  I hope to hear
from you soon. 

Thanks,

Doris Britton


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From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: notebook PC's
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:25:42 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <iD6TwB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, htodino@student.business.uwo.ca (Honorio S. Todino) writes:
> Manigong bagong taon sa inyong lahat!

Thanks!  I hope yours will be happy too!

> I will be going to the Philippines for a conference/vacation in February. 
> I am hoping to have a notebook PC to keep working on my research (while 
> sitting on the beach in La Union, under the coconut trees--aaaah). Now my 
> questions are: If any of you have tried to handcarry a PC back have you 
> had problems with Customs? Will they ask for lagay or for customs fees? 
> Do I need to prove that I will bring it back here? If so how? 
> Alternatively, would it be cheaper to buy a notebook PC in the Phil. than 
> here? Do we have any local manufacturers or stuff from Taiwan, etc.?

I have some friends who just came back and they told me that hardware
was more expensive in the Philippines (though software is not <grin>
as previous posts have mentioned).  I'm not sure if the difference is
due to some duty imposed on imports or due to the valuation of the
Peso.  I wish UP was on the internet so we could get this kind of
info from a reliable and timely source...

> Tips and suggestions will be appreciated. Salamat po.
                                                    ^^
Do I sound that old? :-)

Cheers,

Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Subject: Re: Rookie Carroca in MFY
Reply-To: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:23:04 GMT

From news.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!rs54 Thu Jan  7 20:04:01 EST 1993

>Okay, I let this topic drift by long enough.
>
>...<stuff deleted>...
>
>Okay, where were the hordes of protesting actors that tried to get
>Jonathan Pryce dumped? I mean, here, it is clear that as far as the
>producers were concerned, one Oriental was as good as another, not
>bothering at all to make the distinction. Comments, anyone?

Well, they would have had to protest a filipina (L. Salonga) playing a 
vietnamese girl.  I think the whole point of the original protests was
that with asian roles so few and far in between on Broadway it was a little
insulting for the producers of Miss Saigon to give one of them to a 
caucasian actor ignoring a lot of out of work asian thespians.

I agree with another poster that at least an asian got the role.  We don't
see a bunch of frenchman protesting Les Miserables use of non-frenchmen.

I personally would like to see some more non-traditional casting in both
theatre and cinema.  I remember a production a few years back of 'Cat on a
Hot Tin Roof' with James Earl Jones as Big Daddy as well as more untraditional
casting in the other roles (I don't quite remember who.)  So far Broadway
has only been brave enough to do this with stars.  I believe the aforementioned
Ms. Salonga did a short stint on Les Miserables lately, obviously to cash in
on her popularity.  What next perhaps; a filipino on Will Rogers Follies
(as Will) :-).



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