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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:21:34 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

Man, is this extraordinarily bogus, or what!?  I never would have thought
about such existing, until I actually saw a user get logged off with:

12825 19.2k slim     leonard <0>                 5:46p   5:48p   MON 256  SiN
                                                                          ^^^
Now, I'd never seen THIS before.  I'm thinking "what is this, some way of
forcing a logout if the user says something bad?  So, I looked in the docs,
and found this in user.doc, line 731:       ^^^

		SiN	user took 255 turns (far too many)

Now, there's only five occurences of the word "turns" in all the documentation.
Maybe we could have an actual definition of "turn." Would you have guessed this
was hard-coded?  It was a great surprise to me.

Here's another question for you:  how did this user manage to have 256 "turns"
in only two minutes?

To Waffle's credit, I have seen users get bumped offline (apparently) by
their call-waiting notificatiers, and this seems to throw Waffle into a state
of MASSIVE confusion, with (apparently) many keystrokes flashing across the
screen.  Waffle does not realize the carrier has been dropped; so, the next
time the modem answers the line, the "spewing" of garbage continues, until
the other side drops carrier again.  ...and so forth, until, eventually, this
"turn" count would be exceeded and the user would get logged off, for the wrong
reason.  (I'm guessing as to how, but Waffle does eventually reset and recover,
though it takes _way_ too long.)

This is hardly what I would call a great way of handling this scenario, but
I guess it beats waiting for the "timeout" value for the user to be exceeded.
It seems that there is some additional work to be done in order to get
Waffle to be more robust in handling dropped carrier...

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Key problems when shelled to DOS
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:51:26 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #7, Edmonton, AB, Canada

darren@sol.acs.unt.edu (Darren Paul Loher) writes:

- randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid) writes:
- 
- 
- >I have been experiencing some problems with certain keys not
- >working when shelled to DOS.  One key, for instance, is the 'P'
- >key which generates the wrong character.  There are others that
- >have similar problems.  I am experiencing similar problems on
- >2 different DOS Waffle systems.
- 
- >Has anyone seen this problem before... Any fixes for this?
- 
- I have this same problem.  In fact, the problem extends to external programs
- as well (such as FSED).  I wish I had a fix for it though.  Anyone else
- ever have this?   This problem happens to me in Waf 1.64, and Waf 1.65 under
- both MS-DOS 5.0 and DR-DOS 6.0.
- 
- 
   If you're using an ANSI driver, get rid of it.  That fixed the
problem here ...

Dave McCrady              davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: How to setup permits file for multiple directories?
Keywords: dos waffle 165
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:52:50 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text

Hi everyone:

I am planning to open my system up for anonymous UUCP.  Basically I wish
to keep some files in the 'anonymous' directory, as well as allow access
into my files section.  In my anonymous directory I plan on keeping FAQ's, 
archived news, etc.

Therefore I need to give access to:

  d:/waffle/spool/anonymous
  d:/public/files
  d:/public/files/comm
  d:/public/files/misc
  d:/public/files/win3
  [etc...]

I have tried a miriad of combinations in my "permits" file, such as:

  /download="anonymous","/public/files"
  /download="anonymous","/public/files/*"
  /download="anonymous":"/public/files"
  /download="anonymous:/public/files"
  /download=anonymous,/public/files
  /download=anonymous:/public/files
  [etc...]

But nothing seems to work.  Requests for stuff in the files directories
seem to want to go to /waffle/spool/anonymous//public/files/<whatever>
which is clearly wrong!

Does anyone know how this is done?  By the way, this is the DOS version
of Waffle 1.65.

Please respond via e-mail, I'll be glad to followup with a summary.

Thanks in advance!

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
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| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
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From: system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: auto-ata: ATA
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 08:43:14 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Welch Research, McHenry IL, USA

a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs) writes:

> system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch) writes:
>
> >   Here in the land of pounds of gold for phone service I cringe
> > whenever I hit a modem using the S0=1 with the computer down, so
> > I would like to do this for my own convience as well as in
> > consideration to my users.  I know I can do the AT COM2: H1
> > thing, but like the other idea as I don't have to put that in all
> > my various scripts that poll off com1.
>
> Put it (ECHO ATH1 > COM2:) in run.bat right after waffle. Then, whenever
> Waffle exits, the modem will go offhook, before any other batch files
> are called... (I use ATS0=0 myself, but then again, I'm a private site, not
> a BBS).

I developed a dialer a while back for a clipper system I wrote
and it *will* work most of the time.  What I discovered was that
sometimes the modem isn't properly configured and it doesn't
work.  Just before you do that put in a mode command and it takes
care of the problem.  Looks like this:

mode com1:2400
type ATH1 >COM1

  Had lots of problems with it not working before I added the
mode statement.

  BTW, in case the post got lost, I solved the problem with the
auto-ata - the modem I was using was evidentally a bit too
ancient - replaced it with one only 5 years old and it works like
a charm now ;-).

Take care, Vikki.
From: cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Charles Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Summary: What is SiN and why do we have to live with it?
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:13:30 GMT
Organization: COW Pastures

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> Man, is this extraordinarily bogus, or what!?  I never would have thought
> about such existing, until I actually saw a user get logged off with:
> 
> 12825 19.2k slim     leonard <0>                 5:46p   5:48p   MON 256  SiN
>                                                                           ^^^
> Now, I'd never seen THIS before.  I'm thinking "what is this, some way of
> forcing a logout if the user says something bad?  So, I looked in the docs,
> and found this in user.doc, line 731:       ^^^
> 
> 		SiN	user took 255 turns (far too many)
> 
> Now, there's only five occurences of the word "turns" in all the documentatio
> Maybe we could have an actual definition of "turn." Would you have guessed th
> was hard-coded?  It was a great surprise to me.

        A "turn" is one command from the Main Menu.  Waffle only allows
255 of them (if you have source you can disable this completely (stupid
feature)).

> Here's another question for you:  how did this user manage to have 256 "turns
> in only two minutes?
> 
> To Waffle's credit, I have seen users get bumped offline (apparently) by
> their call-waiting notificatiers, and this seems to throw Waffle into a state
> of MASSIVE confusion, with (apparently) many keystrokes flashing across the
> screen.  Waffle does not realize the carrier has been dropped; so, the next
> time the modem answers the line, the "spewing" of garbage continues, until
> the other side drops carrier again.  ...and so forth, until, eventually, this
> "turn" count would be exceeded and the user would get logged off, for the wro
> reason.  (I'm guessing as to how, but Waffle does eventually reset and recove
> though it takes _way_ too long.)
> 
> This is hardly what I would call a great way of handling this scenario, but
> I guess it beats waiting for the "timeout" value for the user to be exceeded.
> It seems that there is some additional work to be done in order to get
> Waffle to be more robust in handling dropped carrier...

        Waffle will be Waffle.

--
Charles Stephens, SysOp
COW Pastures BBS,
Kennesaw, GA  +1 404 421 0764
cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Command-line RNEWS / TRUNCATED BATCHex
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:54:56 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The GRAFex Company

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
]...[
 
> Yeah, right.
> 
> "Hi, I just bought a modem and am exploring BBS services around town. Do
> you have a way to read messages off-line?"
> 
> "Sure. Download this 545K .zip file and wade through all of it's files
> for the next month or so. Once you have it set up, let me know what
> newsgroups you want."

Sounds about right to me.  That is exactly what I do.  I will accept any
and all new users.  I also firmly suggest that they get the software and
set up their own waffle iron.  I have better things to do than hand hold
beginning BBS hunters.  Now...if YOU want to do that, it is your perogative.
As was mentioned, the more waffle irons we have, the more Tom will pay
attention to our suggestions.

steve

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From: kilgore@obelisk.okc.ok.us (Stan Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: obelisk.VJ13RB1w165w
Organization: Pillar Communications, Oklahoma City, Ok

wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:

> Where exactly is this mysterious 'keeper' option.  (CWEXP104.ZIP) is
> the version I am using and as follows there is no such option.
> 
> I have looked at the source and find no other undocumented options.
> Are you using a beta of 1.05 by any chance?
> 
> I may attempt to modify the source so that it does not delete the last
> article, by my skills are rusty and my compiler is ancient.  If anyone
> is willing to send me a patch or a patched version (executable & source)
> I would be most appreciative.  (With credit to the author as requested)
> 
> If Version 1.05 handles this then is there any way to get ahold of it yet?
> 


    I also haven't noticed such an option and several months ago added
    this functionality myself.   If anyone is interested I would be happy
    to send them a copy. Currently it always leaves at least one article
    but maybe later tonight I will make it an option.

    Kilgore


    

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The Obelisk, Oklahoma City, OK -- +1 405 325 9607
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: Modem angst
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 15:19:22 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

aleung@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:

> I was using USR DS 14.4HST 9600in V32. I found it was using ROCKWELL chipset.

That's very strange.  My 14.4DS uses custom USR roms.  Dat's why they came out
with V32bis so soon... they wrote their own roms.



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morpheus@entropy.mcds.com              Let's watch the world fall apart.
morpheus@f208.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Help on ALIASES & Mailing Lists.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 17:04:51 PDT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder)
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

Simple fix folks..........

eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder) writes:

-> When you gate a mailing list to a newsgroup, you usually set the /mod 
-> address to the ml central address.
-> 
-> ~/usenet
-> list.abc   /mod=abc-mod
-> 
-> ~/aliases
-> abc        | post list.abc
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Note I had an *extra* space at the end of the line.

-> abc-mod    abc abc@central.address

I have also modified my ~/aliases to this structure:

abc        | post list.abc
abc-mod    abc abc2
abc2       abc@central.address

-> The problem seems to be in the double aliasing.  I'm not even getting
-> to the point of getting the *first* message of login session.  My
-> messages get queued for transmission to the central address, but
-> *none* of the local messages are gate directly to the newsgroup like
-> they should.

So now I run triple aliasing and it works!?!?!  
Every message posts to the newsgroup and is sent to the central.address.

Now I'm down to the reported (and experienced) bug of no message-body 
in locally gatewayed messages.  Anybody come up with a fix for it yet?



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From: cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Charles Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: DoS SHeLL
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:11:01 GMT
Organization: COW Pastures

ferret@works.uucp (Dave Ferret) writes:

> 
> Howdy, 
> 
>  I have noticed for quite some time that while running with the ansi 
> driver my DOS shell is fubar
> 
> Is there a fix for this but still keeping ansi displays? Or should I just 
> say C0W and change it to direct.

        Don't say COW.  Moooo..    (I know this is a waste of bandwidth,
but I had to make a stand!)

        Yes, there is a slight problem with key remaping while in a DOS
shell (only if you are logged in remotely).  If you are having these
problems at the console, then you should just drop ANSI.  Make sure that
the "video" line in the static file is set to ANSI.

--
Charles Stephens, SysOp
COW Pastures BBS,
Kennesaw, GA  +1 404 421 0764
cfs@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us
From: cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #84 @500)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "Stripped" newsgroups?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 01:05:11 GMT

579-503@wwiv.cojones.com (dos#major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) #579 @503) writes:

> Second, what could have caused that? My only clue is that the message I
> posted was a followup, and one of the original groups was not one that I
> carried - hence Waffle stripped it.

Waffle doesn't strip newsgroup names for *ME*.  I used to be getting, as an
example, comp.os.c and comp.os.pascal to my junk directory because I was
the only person reading them and I just didn't give a damn.  I have had no
problem posting replies to either.  Most posts there are crossposted from
hell and back.  Waffle always seems to keep track of this for me, unless I
want to manually edit the Newsgroups: header line.

The Lostbox +1 907 248 5985 (Waffle 1.65, v.22bis, and some shoestring)
Internet: sysadmin@lost.cojones.com
WWIVnet:  sysadmin#lost.cojones.com@514 *or* sysadmin#lostbox@514



Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Waffle and ANSI
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:40:36 GMT

chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn) writes:


>   I know I've seen some posts in the past about using Waffle with
>ANSI, so hopefully someone can help me. I've been trying to set up
>ANSI menus, and I'm unsure of what I'm doing wrong.

First, Waffle is essentially a text-based system.  you know, news and
mail.  Text.  Second, the various ANSI drivers behave differently,
as each author strives to interpret the ANSI specs to perfection.

ANSI is not needed for the basic Waffle functions, and Waffle
works flawlessly in BASIC configurations (well, ALMOST flawlessly,
but let's not quibble).  So, what to do?  You want ANSI for certain
applications to run from within and from outside Waffle?  Use a
driver that can be unloaded, such as the later release of PCMag's
ANSI.COM.  Load it only when you need it, which definitely ISN'T
in a remote shell.

OR... (and this is my favorite) get hold of Marshall Dudley's
(forgive spelling errors) DOORWAY and use it for your re-direction.

But in any event, dear readers (thanks, Timo), don't fault Waffle
for trying to make it do something for which it wasn't really
intended.  If you get it to succeed, great!  You may be in the
minority, but at least YOU'RE happy.
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: E-mail bounce loops
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:00:19 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> 
> > A month or so ago I discontinued a newsfeed from my system to another
> > local system. To handle any remaining mail traffic to that site, I put
> > 
> >       site.uucp  | Bounce "No such domain"
> > 
> > or something like that in my paths file. Well, a mail message came in,
> > and got forwarded back out towards whence it came.
> 
> Ok.  That should have happened with or without your bounce-pipe..
> 
> > Then it got sent right back to my site, starting a loop.
> 
> This I don't understand.  What caused it to be resent to your site?
> Unless, it's not really getting bounced back to the original sender...

Well, from the headers, the mail travelled from my site, thru 4 other
sites, before reaching rutgers.edu where it was directed back towards
my site, presumably by a map entry. Hence, the loop was between iowegia
and rutgers, with 4 sites inbetween.

Seems like the bounce pipe didn't do a thing, rather the mail was simply
redirected back towards my smarthost.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: dell@Apple.COM (Thomas E. Dell)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65. and schedules
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:15:54 GMT
Organization: I mistook my BBS for a hat

>Yes, I am having the same problem eversince upgrading to Waffle 1.65..
>Cron won't run :-(
>
>I event deleted everything and reinstalled..
>I am running waffle on 486 on Novell drive, then moved to 286..
>Still same problem??

Most likely your file server & workstation are not synchronized.
Run the novell SYSTIME in your RUN.BAT before running Waffle. 

...Tom

dell@vox.darkside.com / Thomas E Dell
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Mailing list => Newsgroup minor problem
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 15:49:37 CDT
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

eoin@xocolatl.com (John Snyder) writes:

| I'm gating several mailing lists into local newsgroups just fine.
| 
| What I would like to happen is to have local submissions be sent
| to the central address AND be immediately posted to the local
| newsgroup.  
| 
| Yes I know I will the local messages will be doubled in the mailing 
| list newsgroup (the local post & reflection from the central address), 
| but they will also show up in the monitor newsgroup.

If your purpose is to see them pop into the monitor newsgroup, can't you
do something like this...?

| My current setup is:
| 
| ~/usenet
| list.ml    /mod=ml-mod 
| 
| ~/aliases
| ml-incoming  | post list.ml

...change the following line...
| ml-mod       ml-central-address ml-incoming
...to...
  ml-mod       ml-central-address monitor

IF this works, it would put local outgoing messages into monitor, and
also prevent dupes in the local newsgroup.


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From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Command-line RNEWS / TRUNCATED BATCHex
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:06:46 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The GRAFex Company

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
> 
> > Point is...why try to reinvent the wheel?  Tom Dell has done a helluva
> > job in creating something that works.  Pass it on to your users.
> 
> Point is, I'm not going to defend the software I choose to write for
> my system to you or anyone else. If someone wants Waffle, it is in
> the files area, as always.

My, my...touchy, touchy.  Too much coffee?

Have you made your users aware that Waffle is available and what it can do
for them?

I forgot how we even got started on this thread.  I certainly have no
intention or desire to get involved in a flame war.  My comments were made
in good faith in an effort to help.  Sorry if I stepped on some sore toes.

steve

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From: ferret@works.uucp (Dave Ferret)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle on the internet.
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:03:45 GMT
Organization: The Works BBS - Informational Archives - Est. 1985

I've been seriously considering putting Waffle up under Unix on the 
internet, and I was wondering if anyone could give me the inet addressof 
one that I could take a look at...

..Dave

Dave Ferret (Sysop)                         Inquires to: merk!works!system
The Works BBS - [617] 861/8976                 Informational Archives
From: jkilday@nlbbs.UUCP (Jack Kilday)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: News Reader for Your Leaf Nodes
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 09:25:28 EDT
Organization: The Northern Lights BBS, Portland, ME  * 207-761-4782 *

Having seen several queries re: Newsreaders (online with Waffle, and
offline for downstream sites), I thought this might be an approprite
posting --

I've recently gotten Waffle 1.65 (DOS-based) working on all 4-nodes of
my system and now capable of UUCP support of downstream sites through a
custom frontend.  But what I have been lacking has been a small,
effective newsreader that I could recommend to the leaf nodes.  I've
recommended UUPC v1.11T to these folks for their basic setup even though
it presently has only minor news handling ability.  I've tried several
variations of SNEWS (the v1.12 and v1.90) neither of which are
compatible with the apparent slight advances in news processing
capability UUPC has undergone since those SNEWS versions were released.

After a day of dinking around, I was able to write a replacement
RNEWS.COM (for UUPC11T) and to compile a modified UNBATCH.EXE (for
SNEWS190) that allows these two to talk to each other.  I'm pleased with
the result and especially happy with the very nice, colorful, threaded
news reader in SNEWS v1.90.

Should any DOS-based Waffle sites (or others) wish to try this fix
for their leaf nodes, I'd be happy to send it uuencoded OR you may
request it from file-server@nlbbs (OR nlbbs!file-server@uunet.uu.net).
E-mail with any subject and with the following text:

/get \temp\snewsfix.zip


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle