HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:00:58 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Senad Arnautovic (arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca) writes:
>I said:
>>Went on the road to independence when they knew it would lead
>>to bloodshed. At best this can be described as folliness.
>
>From today's perspective you may be right.

I am glad to see that you at least consider the possibility.

>However, an international recognition and membership into the U.N.
>was supposed to defuse the tension since the U.N. and the international 
>community was supposed to help its newly-admitted member against Serbian
>aggression, especially when its government clearily asked for
>the assistance. How did the West swallow a Sebian propaganda
>that this is a civil war and therefore UN charter does not apply?

This "supposed to" is exactly part of the folliness. Or, did anyone
at any point in time say: "if you go independent, and the evil Serbs
jump on you, we will intervene, no problem"? Tell me, were there any
such promises?

If the B-H government entered the road to independence in the belief
that any so-call New World Order would protect them, they were com-
mitting a great sin towards its people. What was illustrated in Kuwait
is that you cannot attack a small country without taking the risk
for paying in blood and money. But that does not mean that the world
is prepared to come and save any small country who is playing dangerous
games with a neighbour - or seceding despite strong opposition from
an internal minority. If any world order would give such promises,
there would tens of small Bosnia-Hercegovina all around the world
crying for help pretty quick.

And yes, to some extent this is a civil war, you can never deny that.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: 881
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:57:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbeh.1992Dec27.115738.2306
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

lejla zejnilovic where are you? please respond to this as soon as possible? if
anyone knows her please tell her to respond to this?                              
thank you very much                                                              
salam alaikum                                                                   
zafar minhas (minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu, minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Adnan Dzinic)
Subject: Fund raising dinner
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:40:50 GMT


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 FAMILY TICKET ...............\$35 
 ADULT .......................\$10 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:996 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10275 soc.culture.croatia:256
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:18:27 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <Dec.24.00.18.54.1992.13075@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne) writes:
>>had no choice. Serbo-negro gangs were looting BH towns, serbian generals 
>                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Do not forget that in this country (USA) as well as in Canada, the majority
>of Muslims are African-Americans(Canadians). 
>
>Be angry as much as you wish, but don't be a racist!!

Maybe he meant to contract Serbia-Montenegro? Maybe you should mix a
little understanding with your peace?


Merry Christmas,
Victor
-- 
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:997 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10276 soc.culture.croatia:257
From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:14:20 GMT
 <1992Dec23.194733.18810@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Dec26.205322.11283@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec26.205322.11283@bmerh85.bnr.ca> faruk@bnr.ca writes:

Faruk talks about WWII:

>I know a serb whom chetnics mistakenly thrown into a fire as a 2 years old 
>baby together with the Muslim children. The mistake was discovered and he
>was taken out in burns. He is terminally ill since. 

Gee, guy is terminally ill for 40 years.   
Yap, do not use hash when you make up stories.

>P.S. More, see my response to Ana Shame.

Why? 

>Faruk  
>ex-Yu was prison for non-serbs.
>


Milan


P.S. ( often put after the signature ) Djemal Bijedic killed by Serbs,
famous "Serb" Branko Mikulic brings down Hamdija Pozderac and puts 
Fikret Abdic ( where is he hiding now?) on trial, Serbs put A.H. and
O.K. out of power, what is next, I wonder?  Bosnian Muslim imagination
seems to be limitless.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne)
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Reply-To: faruk@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 17:57:58 GMT


In article <Dec.24.00.18.54.1992.13075@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
|> faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne) writes:
|> 
|> >If you were watching the pre-war situation closely, the Bosnian
governement 
|> >had no choice. Serbo-negro gangs were looting BH towns, serbian generals 
|>                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Do not forget that in this country (USA) as well as in Canada, the majority
|> of Muslims are African-Americans(Canadians). 
|> 
|> Be angry as much as you wish, but don't be a racist!!

That is your pattern: get away from the truth. Serbo-monte-negro gangs were 
looting BH towns, ... Are you happier now.

|> 
Faruk.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
Subject: Re: Army and Police in ex-Yu (Faruk od Bosne)
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:15:11 GMT

Milan Stojanovic writes:
|> In article <1hm7i4INN2o7@GOLEM.MATH.YALE.EDU> wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:
|> 
|> >
|> >On the other hand, when Yugoslavia collapsed, it seemed that only
|> >ethnic Serbs had the weapons from the Yugo Army.  Under these
|> >circumstances, one should be very suspicious about any claims that all
|> >ethnic groups were equally oppressed by the Communists.
|> >
|> >Victor
|> >-- 
|> 
|> Direct answer for your standard "argument" is that while 
|> Croatia quickly decided to provoke and attack ex-Yu army ( similar
|> thing happened in Bosnia ) local Serbs greeted it as savior. 
|> In many cases, Bjelovar, Split, etc, local officers of Croatian
|> origin gave arms to Croats, particularly tanks, airplanes, rocket launchers etc. They just carried them home.
|> in some other this happened only after 
|> short "civil war" within base, in some, Serbs managed to stop Croatian
|> officers from doing this. 
|> 
|> As a usual argument around here, we hear that overrepresentation of 
|> Serbs in Croatian police and in army is sign that Serbs were oppressing
|> others.  

Out of 11% serbs population in Croatia, 70% of Croatian police were serbs.
And many of them were from Serbia. This is not an oppression. 
This is the occupation. How come that serbians from so called 
Krajina couldn't find jobs in Serbia?
Maybe as policemen?

|>                  [garbage argument removed]
|> 
|> Also top positions in army were filled with proportional representation
|> of all nations.  Also positions that are more attractive, like air-force,
|> had quite different national structure, then infantry. 

Out of 40 ex-Yu generals 32 (80%) were serbs 
(serbs comprise 8.3 mil outof 23.3 mil total ex-Yu population 
which is about 36%). And this "proportion"carried down all the way until 
the rank of major.

|> 
|> Some Slovenian journalist asked at the beginning of all this whether 
|> Croatian oil industry had the same degree of overrepresentation.  Correct
|> question! Answer is NO!

Why should it be YES, if the serbs refuse any job but policemen?

|> 
|> >Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
|> 
|> Milan N. Stojanovic 

Faruk.
"Good fence makes good neighbors."
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Serbian excuses
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:59:41 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Milan Stojanovic (stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu) writes:
>I'll start posting soon documents from Akten zur DAP ( 1941-1945 ).

Please don't. We have had more than enough of that old junk.

>Only when the world community starts understanding what Serbs are
>fighting for,

We will never understand what you are fighting for. (And even less
if you insist on digging up old mud.) Never. And, frankly, we don't
give a gamn. We think you Serbs(*) have gone complete bezerk, and
lost whatever of civilazation you ever had in you. We don't care what
you are fighting for. Whatever it is, the fighting is not justified.
We don't want to hear more of your war apologies. We just want you to
stop. We want peace.

(*) This does certainly not apply to all Serbs, but as long as Milan 
Stojanovic is defending the war, it does sure apply to him.

>and put equal pressure on all sides to stop fighting and clearly state
>that Muslims should not hope for military intervention

You mean give Serbs guarantee that it will not occur? No, sir! That
guarantee you will never get. I am not advocating intervention, but
the threat should be hanging over you as long as you are slaughtering
people.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: adzinic@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Adnan Dzinic)
Subject: Kolko su Srbi uspravni
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:58:58 GMT


>From: kovacevic@qut.edu.au
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
>Subject: REPETITIO MATER STUDIORUM EST
>Message-ID: <1992Dec22.082809.61262@qut.edu.au>
>Date: 22 Dec 92 08:28:09 EST
>Organization: Queensland University of Technology
>Lines: 14



>	Po ko zna koji put u svojoj istoriji,kad god se na njih
>	okome sva zla sveta,SRBI STOJE USPRAVNO.
>
>	Da,tesko je ali je PRELEPO BITI SRBIN.
>
>	Ne znam kako vi,ali ja volim sto sam Srbin.
>
>	goran.
>
>	ps.
>
>	da,u pravu ste,ovo je u vezi izbora u Srbiji.

Kao sto su stajali "USPRAVNO" 500 (pet stotina) godina pod Turcima. Ponosni
u svojoj nosnji : caksirama sa fesom na glavi.

Adnan Dzinic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1000 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10277 soc.culture.croatia:258
From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Bosnian mistakes
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:34:13 GMT
 <1992Dec23.194733.18810@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Dec26.205322.11283@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec26.205322.11283@bmerh85.bnr.ca> faruk@bnr.ca writes:
>

>
>with serbian interpretation. 

Nope, I gave you the translation of the original document.  When I have
time I'll post the whole document.

>If you want WWII read V. Dedijer's book about serbs atrocities over Muslim
>population. 

First, I was the first one to mention this book on this network.  
Second, it is A. Miletic and V. Dedijer's book.  
Third, are Dedijer and Miletic always acceptable historians to you, 
or only on certain occasions?  Their books are full with documents about
early 1941 Muslim-Ustasha terror in Bosnia and that is again
before any "chetnick" units were organised.
Fourth, most Serbs had chance to read parts of this book in "Borba", where 
it came out few years ago ( every day during few weeks ).  I read it 
there for the first time, and I think that this is an excellent example 
how Muslims were suppressed. 
Fifth... ( I'll let it go, there is no sense in it ).

Milan N. Stojanovic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1021 soc.culture.croatia:271
From: stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Serbian excuses
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:54:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec26.145443.18844
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec26.184956.26786@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Milan Stojanovic (stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu) writes:
>>Manjaca is POW camp, so hardly a good example for what you tried to
>>say.
>
>So wasn't Jasenovac a POW camp too? 

No, it was not.  Were there any women and children in Manjaca, Erland?
Were there any?

>Victor had a very good point
>there. A very good one, in response to your usual dig-up-old-mud-
>as-excuse-for-killing-people-today excuse. You are an awful bastard,
>Milan Stojanovic.
>


Answer my previous question, you ignorant Nazi imbecil.


>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.

Milan N. Stojanovic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males)
Subject: Re: Likely name origins 
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:15:36 GMT

In <1992Dec10.131925.5098@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:


>Hello.  My name is Will Bralick.  Please, examine my last name.  Family
>legend/folklore has it that my grandfather came to the States from Croatia 
>when he was a teenager (before WWI).  Both he and my grandmother have
>passed away, so I cannot ask them about my family origins.  My father
>doesn't have the information.  His family lived in a village near
>Split.  

>Now, upon arrival at Ellis Island, my grandfather was provided the name 
>Bralick which is said to be close to the original.  For example, I know 
>that the `k' should be an `h,' rendering Bralich.  Could anybody either
>suggest likely spellings of the original name or point me to a source 
>where I could find such?

>Thanks.

>-- 

Will,

If your last name is pronounced "Bralich", then the most likely (almost certain)

correct spelling of your name involves a character not found in English. That is,
a "c" with an acute (ie. a dash like a "/") on top of the characte. So, with this character at the end, your name would be:



			/
                   Bralic


Hope this helps,

John
From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: UUCP in Zagreb?
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:47:42 GMT
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN



Greetings Croats, Serbs, and anyone else!

I've got a friend who is in Zagreb for an extended period of time working
on his Ph.D. in eastern european studies, and was wondering if there
were any uucp or (God forbid) internet sites that he could make
use of there.

Thanks a lot for any help you can give.

Contact names, phone numbers, and especially email addresses would be
most helpful.  (are the US embassys ever going to set up uucp systems
for travelling Americans to use?  One can only hope...)

--

Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu)   Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.
Operations/User Services          1200 Washington Avenue South
(612) 626-1888 work               Minneapolis, Minnesota  55415
(612) 645-0168 voice mail         [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S]
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Ana M. Shane this is s.c.c
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:17:26 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:

> ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC) writes:
> 
> 
> >Ana please refer to the Croatian language as Croatian and nothing else.
> >If you insist on using terms that are redundant and offensive, such
> >as "Serbo-Croatian" I suggest you use soc.culture.yugoslavia.
> 
> If there is Croatian language, and if there is Serbian language, and
> if there is even Bosnian language, there also is Serbo-Croatian and
> another one, Croato-Serbian. There are people who speak these two
> languages! I am one of them. That is what *I* speak. But I'll be glad
> to speak Croatian with you, if you can't understand me otherwise.
> 
> 
> >BOG I HRVATI - ZA DOM SPREMNI!
> >Robert Ljubicic
> 
> A language should not be an obstacle between peoples, ne?
> Ana
> 
> 
>   With hopes for peace
> 
>                ___      ___
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>           \_/  @   \  /  //    _/////                         
>           /|-\_     \/  //   _/   _/                          
>            |   \     \__//__/   _/                            
>         ()/     \           __ /                              
>         / ()     \_    \____  |////<                          
>       ()           \_       \_______\                         
>                      \______/                                 
> 
> 
> Ana M. Shane                              voice: (215)-843-2909
> 334 Winona St.
> Philadelphia, PA 19144      e-mail: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu


   There are three major languages in the former Yugo.

  1 is Albanian, another is Serbian, and the other which Croatians speak 
is   CROATIAN.  End of discussion.



      Bog i Hrvati       Za Dom Spremni !




--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:236 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:975
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Sretan Bozic
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:21:05 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL


    Sretan bozic svim Hrvatima!



Damir Matanic


--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
From: dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Bozic i Nova Godina
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 21:00:03 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL



                Sretan Bozic 
                     I
                Nova Godina

Zeli vam Danijela Mlinaric
           (Sokica)

--
dani@infopls.chi.il.us (Danijela Mlinaric)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:274 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1025
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Faruk's Silence
Summary: tell us, Faruk 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.224612.5721@bmerh85.bnr.ca> faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk
od Bosne) wrote:

[F] I would like to extend my thanks to Serdar Argic in revealing us the truth 
[F] about the events in Turkey during WW1. Before reading his articles I have 
[F] suspected (altough never believed) that Turks massacred Armenians during 
[F] a campaign of defending the very existance of their homeland. His thorough 
[F] documentation showed that Armenians were in fact massacreing Turks in 
[F] unprotected villages while Turkish Army was busy defending the country. 
[F] However, for some people the truth seems to be very painful. As the case 
[F] is, Serdar, this (desperation?) is their problem, not yours. Thanks again 
[F] and keep up good work. May I extend very best wishes in upcoming year.

You have made a foolish public statement, and I am asking you the following
question:

Tell us why Balkan Moslem Muhacir (muhajir) were following the Turkish Army in
WWI, and filled the homes of the slaughtered or deported Anatolian Armenians?

Is one of your relatives living in the house of my grandmother? If so why?

Oh, by the way, your silence on this subject is quite indicative in itself! 

-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org>  |  "The Regular Army of the Ottomans was 
SDPA Center for Regional Studies      |   entirely innocent of the Armenian 
P.O. Box 382761                       |   massacres." - Inspector General of 
Cambridge, MA 02238                   |   the Turkish forces in Armenia, WWI 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.soviet
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Serdar's admirer!!! (Re: Merry Christmas, Argic)
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:10:40 GMT

faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne) writes:


>In article <724624952@locust.cs.duke.edu>, wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu
>(Edward Wiener) writes:
>|> 
>|> Argic buddy,

>           [ text removed ]

>>

>I would like to extend my thanks to Serdar Argic in revealing us the truth 
>about the events in Turkey during WW1. Before reading his articles I have 
>suspected (altough never believed) that Turks massacred Armenians during 
>a campaign of defending the very existance of their homeland. His thorough 
>documentation showed that Armenians were in fact massacreing Turks in 
>unprotected villages while Turkish Army was busy defending the country. 
>However, for some people the truth seems to be very painful. As the case 
>is, Serdar, this (desperation?) is their problem, not yours. Thanks again 
>and keep up good work. May I extend very best wishes in upcoming year.


Yes, it is Christmas and it's this time of the year that miracles do
happen. And even Serdar Argic, the most despised net persona, the lover 
of the kill files, the (in)famous broken AI program, has found an admirer.
Days of magic and grace,:-).

Perhaps, I should get Serdar out of my kill file these loving days. Don't 
you think that I was too mean to have kept him there for so long?

					Enjoy the holidays,
					     Yannis.

ps: Faruk, you were kidding, right?
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Privatization in Zagreb
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:33:21 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu
Summary: apartments, capitalism


Here is a quote from a friend of mine in Zagreb, who is in the process
of privatizing his real estate contracting and investment business:

  "I was used to working only 9 hours per day (for the state), but now
  I'm sometimes not done even after 12 hours. This capitalism is an ugly
  thing."

I hear from the same source that apartment prices in Zagreb have
dropped a bit since last Summer.  Now they are running around
DM1000-1500 per square meter in nicer parts of town.  The high end is
about $100 per square foot, which is the price of rather luxurious new
construction here in suburban St. Louis; the low end is close to $60
per square foot, which is about what I paid for my 66-year-old house
in a rather nice neighborhood in University City.

Cheers,
-- 
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia