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From: Katrina.Teibel@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Katrina Teibel)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Prenatal Psychology
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 10:33:07 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

To All:
 
     I am a junior in a small high school in a small town at the
tip of Idaho.  I have several interests, but I have recently become
interested in prenatal psychology, or how maternal emotions affect
the unborn.  The book The Secret Life of the Unborn Childish
touches on this subject, and has made me curious.
     How could it be possible for the fetus to know the emotions
its mother is feeling?  How could these emotions affect the fetus
as an infant, and in later life?  THe mother and the fetus are two
seperate individuals.  How is it possible for the emotions of one
to inflict problems on the other?  For example; how can an anxious
mother cause her baby to be dificult.  A mother who consistenly
thought negatively through her pregnancy has dificulty calming or
quieting her baby, why?
     If there is anybody out there interested in the wonders of
prenatal psychology, and would care to discuss this topic with me,
I would apreciate it emensely.
 
Truly Curious,
 
Katrina 


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From: Shannon.Rae@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Shannon Rae)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: animal testing
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 09:15:45 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

 
Hi, my name is Shannon RAe and I am from Bonners Ferry Idaho.  A
topic that I am interested in is animal testing in laboratories.
I know this is necessary so things that could be dangerous to
humans can be discovered, but I can't stand the thought of animals
suffering so us girls can wear make-up and hair spray.  I have
heard that computers have the potential to simulate these tests, so
why don't they use computers instead of making animals suffer?  I
don't really have alot of knowlege on this subject, and that is why
I would like anyone who has knowlege on this subject to reply.
Basically what the common person knows about this is what they see
on T.V. Like I said before testing for cancer etc. is necessary,
but we are using animals that feel pain to test make-up or other
cosmetics.  I want to know if what I have heard is true?  Can
computers really do this testing that we are currently using
animals for?  I would like to hear someones opinion on this
sublect.  I have tried not to say anything that I really don't know
anything about, so someone please write.
 
                                                 Thank You,
                                                 Shannon Rae.



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From: James.Paulson@f3002.n134.z1.fidonet.org (James Paulson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hello...
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 00:04:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/3002 - Lunatic Haven BBS, Medicine Hat Alta

Hi James - I'm not sure if you are the same person that I am thinking that you are - but did we not take a course in computer telecommunications back in University? Glad to see that you are still involved with it.
 
I'm not sure how I wound up in the K12 Science Echo - maybe I'm trying to get some new ideas for another dedicated science BBS that I'm working on here in Medicine Hat.

I'm only here to browse around ... saw your name and couldn't help but say Hi.

James


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From: York.York@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (York York)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:32:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

Ha! I was waiting for some one to catch me on that obvious mistake. That message was meant for Mr.Jim Carr I believe. My apology to Mr. Ashlock. 


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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: SPECIATION (WAS: "RE:
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:33:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

;rep:111,4220
Quoting Jerry Saville:

JS> CS> And even
JS> CS> though one must hold one's nose while doing so, it is a good idea to
JS> CS> familiarize one's self with creationist materials (e.g., [11]).

JS>  Why, sir, do you attempt to "preopinionate" these young people with your
JS>  slashing remarks?
JS>  I think that you should let the material stand for itself.

When the people who tell lies about science get honest, it will be time
for you to get honest.  I have in front of me an anti-evolution
newsletter emanating from the Queensland (Australia) "bible belt" which
is full of lies (you can't really call them anything else).  Just one
typical example: "the word dinosaur was invented just fifty years ago".
Well, that must have been a surprise for Charles Dickens, who mentioned
them in "Bleak House", about 1852.  If they cannot get a simple matter
like that right, how can they be expected to deal with any serious
matters in a reliable way.

To the knowledgeable, their material does indeed "stand for itself":
on its head.  To the young and impressionable, it can do damage.  It
needs to be treated with all the hilarity and mirth it deserves.  We
cannot cry at such hysterical anti-intellectual activity, and so we must
laugh.

Go for it, Chris!

peter




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From: Robert.Kellogg@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Kellogg)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: River Engineering
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 14:14:19 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     Hello my name is Robert Kellogg.  I am seventeen years old and
a junior.  I live in north Idaho in a small town  call Bonners
Ferry.  The reason for my entry in the K12 net is to communicate
with any fellow engineers out there.  I guess I can't say I'm a
engineer yet, but I soon hope to be.  The reason I got interested
in engineering is this summer I when I was working at restaurant I
was introduced to a man named Don Riechmuth.  He owns a corporation
called Geomax.
 
     Geomax is a corporation that works on river mechanics.  They
engineer rivers that have problems with erosion.  This summer when
I started working for them (It started out as computer service)
they were working on a local river called the Moyie. So ever sense
last summer I have been working for this company learning a lot on
the earth's structure and the plate movements.  The neat thing
about this particular field you have to have three backgrounds to
understand all views.
 
     They are Civil engineering, Biology, and Geology.  I thing, in
fact I know this is going to be a major job needed in the future. 
 
It is a job that has been needed for a long time, because in the
past there has been too many problems with Engineers, Biologists,
and Geologists arguing instead of working together.  The reason
they always have there differences is that they don't understand
each others point of views.
 
     So to anyone out there planing to go in to a engineering,
science, or geological field it wouldn't hurt to have a little of
all three in the back ground to understand your environment a
little better.  I would really like to hear from some professionals
out there or people interested in your enviornment to see what you
thing of the new field. 


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From: Dana.Geraths@f603.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Dana Geraths)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 03:05:05 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/603 - Salem Educators Onl, Salem OR

     I feel very strongly about the thought of creation vs. evolution. I 
am a paleontologist so that says which side I am on. But I have always 
found it rather facinating how people can acually dismiss the existance 
of the dinosaurs in favor of a god. Granted, this is not widly thought 
even among very religious people but there still remain a few with hard 
core attitudes like that.
     The current thought on dinosaurs by the minor religious sect is that 
they were an early mistake by god and he wiped the slate clean before 
creating us. But, if they were a mistake why have they been the single 
most successful species ever to walk this planet. Man has been around for 
approx. 5 million years, but the dinosaurs alone ruled the food chain for 
165 million years. I think we have a way to go before we can call 
ourselves that successful.


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From: Dean.Mesenbrink@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dean Mesenbrink)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Logging
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:24:59 PDT
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WPC2



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From: Michi.Ripatti@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Michi Ripatti)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: prenatal care
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 10:13:37 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Hello! My name is Michi Ripatti and I live in Bonners Ferry which
is in Northern Idaho.  Next year when I go to college, I may study
the field of nursing.  I am interested in learning about the
neonatal care of nursing.  This is also known as the intensive care
unit which treats newly born infants who may have certain problems. 
 
These problems may result from a careless mother taking drugs or
alcohol during pregnancy, an infant being prematurely born, or from
other side effects which may be unknown.  Nurses working in the
neonatal unit give infants love, and they give them their proper
medication.  I would like to learn more about the diseases in these
premature infants and the effects of their problems.  Crack babies
which are born with effects do to alcohol and drugs during
pregnancy is one major problem in today's infants.  If you know
anything about these infants' problems please write me.  I look
forward to hearing from you. 


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From: Ian.Howard@f17.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Ian Howard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Channel 5 - Please read!
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 18:09:05 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/17 - Hollingworth High S, Milnrow

Please read and distribute into your local message areas if appropriate.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

As you may or may not be aware I have been trying to set-up a channel on
K12 for the discussion of the entire K12 network and its ideas.

Channel 5 (K12.CH5) will be open for the discussion of the following
topics from 11-01-93 (11th January) :

 * Discussion of the technical aspects of K12 including how to set up a
   K12 system a school.  Including debate on security problems,
   censorship, and anything else relavent.

 * Chat about the actual K12 areas and network itself and what teachers
   think its use within classrooms.  Hopefully people will put forward
   ideas that could be used to futher the K12 services.  Questions
   answered and general discussion.

 * Students can use the channel to share their views and experiences on
   K12 and put forward any ideas as to the future of K12.

 * What would be the requirements for a comprehensive piece of software
   to be used as a complete K12 package in schools.  What would people
   like to see in this software and which platforms are used.

Those are just a few pointers as to how the channel can be used but I am
more than welcome to listen to other topics concerning K12.

Please take a few minutes to read through the initial messages in the
area which I will post to get the ball rolling.  I hope that as many
people as possible will contribute to the project so that we can get a
wide range of views and experiences.

I look forward to seeing you there!  Look in the projects echo for brief
details - Remember its Channel 5, mail-tag of K12.CH5

Best wishes for 1993.
Ian Howard (2:258/16 and 17)


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From: Katrina.Teibel@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Katrina Teibel)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: FAS
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 10:38:56 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Dear Summer:
 
     I can understand your concerns and curiosity in Fetal Alcohol
Syndrome.  If my brother had the syndrome, I'm sure I would have
questions like you.  On the contrary, I have an interest in the
unborn, and the several things that affect the fetus.  At the
present, I am doing a research paper on How Drugs Affect the Fetus. 
 
From the moderate research I have completed, I do not know for sure
what alcohol does to the fetus.  I mostly know what it can create
for an end product, which is cause FAS.  I did read, however, a
phrase that said alcohol slows down the functioning of the cells
and organs of the fetus.  It is paticularly  inportant for a soon
to be mother to avoid alcohol during the first trimester of
pregnancy.  I have concluded that this is so, because the major
organs and limbs are being created in the first trimester.  When
alcohol enters the body, it causes changes in the body.
Intoxication, loss of judgement, lack of balance, are a few effects
alcohol can cause to the mother.  Alcohol enters the blood, and can
penetrate the placenta.  I can only guess that this is when the
birth defects occur.  Perhaps alcohol disturbs the genetic makeup
of the developing fetus, therefore, causing malformations.  Alcohol
limits the amount of oxygen to the brain of the fetus, and this
could be why FAS children are often mentally retarded.
     I do not know for sure the exact damage alcohol causes to the
fetus, or how it causes the damage.  I would, however like to know.
 
Good luck,
 
Katrina 


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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:21:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec31.160642.5268@isc-br.isc-br.com>
     bruceh@access.isc-br.com (Bruce Hogan) writes:

>And if you talk to the people on the street I do about origins, you get the 
>standard "since there is no God, evolution has to be true" level of thinking 
>from "many" people ( and please note again that I did not say _all_ ).

The purpose of this board is to discuss science.  Who cares what
people ignorant of the relevant facts think about it?  In a more
perfect world we would all try to educate ourselves about every topic.
It's sad that we don't, but that's not an indictment of the modern
synthesis of biology.  In this corner of the world we should strive to
discuss the best of what science has to offer, not what's trickled
down to "people on the street".

>...  So I never intended to lay out the whole Creation model.  If the
>person is able to think on their own, this may be enough to direct
>them to find out.  If they can't think on their own, then telling them
>the whole story is not productive.

Indulge me.  E-mail your story to me directly so that I can evaluate
it.  I've been trying to find a model of creation for years, and have
rarely found anyone willing to even sketch out the bare bones of an
idea on the subject.  There are plenty of people (like you) willing to
tell us what they think is wrong with evolution, but none (and I mean
none) who can tell us what creationism has to offer by way of a
scientific model.

>> 3.)  Bruce misrepresents evolution.  He claims a prediction for
>> evolution that it does not make:
>> 
>> > simply  ask for the millions of examples that should be there if
>> > evolution is a  billions-of- years process with billions upon
>> > billions upon billions of  mutations and trials and errors.
>> 
>> I'll let others more qualified than I am explain why this
>> statement is completely bogus.  My point is just that Bruce has
>> created a non-existent "straw man" of evolution.
>> 
>There is no straw man.  You just have no answer that fits what is found in the 
>fossil record.

The straw man is in your "should be".  You are making a claim of a
prediction that is not made by actual scientists.  You seem to know
precious little about geology.  I recommend that you read _Science and
Earth History_ by Strahler (that's one of the books on Chris Stassen's
list) in order to disabuse yourself of some of your assumptions about
what "should be" according to our understanding of evolution and
geology. 

>    *Bruce Hogan

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
From: Dalaina.Starr@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dalaina Starr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hyper Thyroid
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:36:02 PDT
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From: Richard.O'donovan@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Richard O'donovan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: "Proof" and Falsifiablity
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 02:43:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155 - SECAP BBS, Clayton Vic

 JG> Newsgroups: k12.ed.science

 JG> Several people have been saying things like: "This
JS>proves..." or "This has
 JG> been proven."  I think it is important for us to
 JG> remember that science does
 JG> *not* prove anything.  The basis of science is
JS>falsifibility, not proof.

Unfortunately science doesn't really live in the falsificationists wonderland.  Any brief look at the history of science will show you that science is far more dogmatic than people want to accept
(scientists at least)
) 
 JG> This is the foundation of scientific philosophy, and it
JS>doesn't help the
 JG> evolution argument when you claim something as proven
 JG> (because it's not--at
 JG> least as far as science is concerned).

 JG> Please remember to use phrases like such-and-such
 JG> "supports the theory" and
 JG> "this evidence does not disprove this hypothesis
JS>because...."  It's more
 JG> accurate and it's within the realm of science.

JS>Thank you so much for saying the above. For some reason, lots of
JS>folks seem to be unable to distinguish between supporting
JS>evidence of a theory and actual proof of a theory. To prove a
JS>theory one must have absolutely *NO* evidence that does not
JS>support the theory. Also, no one else should be able to produce
JS>any contrary evidence either. If contrary evidence exists, the
I think you'd also discover that "the theory" is far more precious to scientists too.  No great scientist has abandoned their theory just because of a teeny-tiny bit of controversial data - otherwise there would be SSnoStheories left!!!  Look at evolution for instance. Plenty of controversy there, and plenty of scientists putting up the defences to rally around their "pet".  Science has much more to do with personalities, politics, and popularity.  The legendary
objective scientists simply do not exist.  Now that's something kids need to know given that science is so influential in every facet of their lives, and they need to know that it isn't necessarily
trustworthy!!!
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From: mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker)
Subject: Re: SCIENCE FAIR INFO
Organization: Iowa State University of Censorship and Repression
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:02:37 GMT

In article <37016.2B527C27@puddle.fidonet.org> Scott.Ferguson@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Ferguson) writes:
>I am currently working on science fair projects in my class and I would like 
>to know if anyone can help me with a problem that I have.  Quite a few of my 
>students are having difficulties coming up with original ideas for their 
>projects and I am sort of tapped out as well. Would any one have any 
>suggestions as to where I could come up with some more ideas? Perhaps some 
>videos or readings, magazines etc. Thank-you.

What level of projects?

I believe the Amateur Scientist books put out by Sci. Amer. ( and the
articles in the magazine ) could be a possible source of ideas.

If I remember correctly, my father's science project was published in
the Amateur Scientist.  He did research concerning how altitude
affected the healing rates in rats.  

Mark D. Smucker  -----   mds@iastate.edu

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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 11:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

 -=> Quoting Richard O'donovan to Jim Maroon <=-

 RO>  RO> There is nothing scientific about it".  Interesting thought, but have
 RO> you given any great thought to the scientific process??  Far more
 RO> dogmatic and akin to religion than you would like to portray and/or
 RO> believe, as you seem to be demonstrating admirably!!  Incidentally, if


        Given a great deal of thought to it, and you couldn't be more
 wrong.  The tenets of religion cannot be observed, replecated, tested, or
 otherwise proven.  Religion is a set of beliefs that are and must be
 founded completely on faith.  Yes, there are scientists who are dogmatic
 about their position, but that is considered by all of science as
 unscientific.  And is dogmatism your definition of religion?  Personally,
 I think you are selling it short.  Besides, what has any of that to do
 with the scientifc process?  Scientific process is just that, a process
 that is scientific.  If it is strictly followed, there is no room for
 dogmatism.  Visit your library and look up scientific process before
 you go attacking it.  It is important to at least understand something
 before you comment.  I recommend the McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science
 & Technology, 7th Edition. :)


 RO> one of the earliest forms of evolved life was a blue-green algae, which
 RO> is acknowledged as one of the most durable life forms around, then why
 RO> did life every evolve beyond it?  What's more, how could it if any

        Why not?




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From: Roland.Gesthuizen@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Roland Gesthuizen)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Frogs
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:48:08 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

RP>From: rpurman@nhgs.vak12ed.edu (Richard I. Purman)

Melanie got your letter from the states on Frogs and I am just dropping you a line to tell you that it created quite a stir at the school!  Unfortunately we are having our Christmas holidays in Australia and the kids will be back on line early Feb.

Regards for the new year..

Roland Gesthuizen
Computer Manger, Glen Waverley SC. Melbourne. Australia.


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