From: tom@clipper.ingr.com (Tom Granvold)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: But I want my girls in Scouting!
Summary: Wanted more information about Girl Scouts.
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:03:18 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Mar30.011815.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>,
cornell@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Lee Cornell) writes:

> < his experience deleted >

> I am now the father of two girls, the oldest of whom is 10. I 
> have been quite disappointed in the lack of opportunities for 
> them to participate in any group comparable to the Boy Scouts. 
> Things like the Y groups and the Girl Scouts don't seem to have 
> the same emphasis on camping that I believe is so important. 
> (Cliche time: Three-fourths of Scouting is Outing.)

< list of virtues of camping deleted >

    I am the father of a boy, 12, and a girl, 5.  My son is in a
scout troop where I'm an assistent scout master.  I'm now thinking
about what opportunities will be available for my daughter.

> Anyway, given the lack of a comparable organization for females, 
> my own inclination is that it is time for the Scouts to allow 
> female participants. (This, of course, is based on a selfish 
> desire to see opportunities for my daughters, but ...)

    I understand how the Boy Scout program works and what it provides
for the boys.  I know very little about Girl Scouts and want to find
out more!

< more deleted >

> I think that it is probably very appropriate that boys now learn 
> early on how to deal with girls on a person-to-person basis, as 
> they are going to have to do this out in the real world as 
> adults. 

    I agree.  One good example is the earlier posting from Eurpoe about
how it was only the Amercian boys who were attempting to peek through
into the shower stall at the females at a world jamboree.

FLAME ON - Why didn't anyone stop this!!!  This sort of behaivor should
not be allowed and the conditions that lead to it should never have
occured!!
FLAME OFF.

    Back to having boys and girls learning how to deal with each other.
You sound like you don't feel that the being together in school provides
this oportunity.  Why not?

    I have mixed feelings about troops including both boys and girls.
On the one hand I strongly feel that females must be given the same
options that males have.  On the other hand I understand the need for
times when females or males to be without the other sex present.
Currently I feel that there should be all male troops, all femaile
troops, and mixed troops and packs.  That way the childern and parents
can pick what is best for them.

> -- Lee


In article <1992Mar30.201502.1797@news.Hawaii.Edu>,
dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Spacee) writes:

>> 	The emphasis that is placed on camping is particular to each Girl Scout
>> troop.  Some troops I know LOVE to go camping, other hate to do it.  Please
>> contact the local Girl Scout Council.  They should be able to give you a
>> list of troop leaders you can call and ask them personally how much camping
>> they like to do.  I hope you'll be pleasantly surprised!

    This is good to hear.  But camping is only one aspect of the Boy Scout
program, though a major one.  Other aspects that I'd like my daughter to
experience is the leadership positions that Boy Scouts fill.  Among these
positions are Patrol Leader, Quartermaster, Senior Patrol Leader, Troop
Guide, and Instructor.  Does Girl Scouts have the girls fill similar
positions?

    Also, for those boys who earn the Eagle rank there is a lot of
recognition both within and outside of the Boy Scouts of his
achievement.  I've just recently learned in this news group that there
is a Gold award in Girl Scouts.  Is this equivelent to the Eagle rank,
and what recognition do those who earn this award get?

>> Debbie
>> (who learned, in Girl Scouts, how to pitch a tent blindfolded...)

    Thanks for responding to Lee's posting.  Pitching a tent blindfolded,
sounds like a good idea for a campout for my son's troop.  I'd love to
see how well they do.

Tom Granvold
Assistent Scout Master
Troop 436
Sunnyvale, California
tom@clipper.ingr.com
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