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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Aerobic Results
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:10:14 GMT

There has been much said about how long one has to wait before seeing
results from aerobic exercise ( assuming one is doing it properly ).

I would like to read of other peoples experiences:

Question:

1.  How long, what type of and at what intensity (pulse etc) of
    aerobic exercise have you been doing?

2.  How long before you noticed results?

3.  What weight did you start at, how much fat did you lose?

4.  Where you very overweight or trying to lose the last few
    stubborn pounds?

Thanks
Steve R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Questions about Skipping Rope
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:09:25 GMT

In article <2B421671.26460@news.service.uci.edu> robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu writes:
>To experienced rope skippers:  

I'm not.

However, there is a booklet published about rope skipping. It's called
"Skipping the Rope." It's about fitness skipping...no double dutch.

>Robin 

--phil
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:47:38 CST


In article <lott.32.0@egr.msu.edu>, lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott) writes:
> I've had Grapefruit juice concentrate and it's just downright nasty 
> tasting. 
Add some water...  ;-D

-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Stuck in a Rutt
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:37:29 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1gi5otINNbos@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:
> 
> I often find myself stuck in the "rutt"-- where I'm sick of doing
> the same weekly routine, and my muscles become too accustomed to 
> doing the same thing over and over.  Anyone else feel this way?
> I need some suggestions as to how to overcome this.
> 
> --bando

Hey Bando,

I think everyone runs into this at one point or another.  Try switching your 
routine around.  for example instead of starting with the bench, start with 
inclines or flys.  I know it's hard, but take a few days off and then come back
with a different routine in mind.  Or, go into the gym one day, with the 
intention of just f___ing around.  Don't have anything in mind, just pick 
something to do and have some fun.  It sounds stupid, but trust me it works.
The worst thing to do is get stuck in a rutt, and then not be able to get out
of it.  You will only end up wasting your time at the gym.  You need to keep 
your workouts fun.  If they're not fun, then it turns into work, and gets boring

-good luck

Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.misc
From: balg0514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian A. Levine)
Subject: Racewalking Information?
Reply-To: brianlev@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:56:51 GMT

Can anyone recommend some good sources of information about
racewalking?  I'm interested in anything, including listservs,
newsgroups, magazines, books, clubs or organizations, etc.

(Last week I tried rec.running, but nobody responded.  I hope you folks
don't mind my expanding the search a little.)

Thanks for any help...

--Brian
-- 
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From: mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stairs-therapeutic
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:08:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, Math Department

I don't know if this is the right newsgroup for this 
question (if there is another newsgroup that I should  
ask, I would appreciate knowing about it).  I have a 
relative who is convalescing (VERY LONG term) from a 
back injury, and has discovered stairs.  It seems 
that a visit at a house with a few shallow steps pro-
vided some useful exercise.  Her own house has no 
such steps.  She is interested in obtaining a device 
that consists of a few shallow (adjustable-height?) 
steps leading up to a platform, and has heard that a 
few such devices are used by therapists.

Has anyone out there heard of such a device?  Or how 
to get one?  Please send messages to mccolm@math.usf.edu.

Thanks in advance,

Greg McColm
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mathdept@math.usf.edu. Deadline 2/1/93. USF is a politically correct employer.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:59:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.170508.16516@leland.Stanford.EDU> disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein) writes:
>Two years ago I lost 70 pounds, and have successfully kept it off since then.
>By doing a lot of Stairmaster, step aerobics, walking and swimming, I
>have gotten down to a body fat percentage of 18 (I am female), but I still
>have flabby upper arms and stomach (where I used to carry a lot of the
>extra weight). Is there anything I can do to tighten up these areas short
>of losing extra pounds? Because I am comfortable with my weight as it is
>(122 -- I am 63" tall), just not with its present rather lopsided 
>distribution!! Any suggestions much appreciated.
>
>Jamie Bronstein
>
>

Hi Jamie!

Be sure to include some strength training in your routine in order to
build your muscles (all of them) whilst _maintaining_ your current weight.
You can actually trim your waist by developing your arm, leg, back, and
chest muscles.  Try it for 6-8wks and see!

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction (GO FOR IT !)
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:42:39 EST


In article <CHARRISO.92Dec21105617@gssec.bt.uk.co>, charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co writes:
|> In article <1gqnubINN2c1@male.EBay.Sun.COM> sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule) writes:
|> 
|>    Path: gssec.bt.co.uk!axion!uknet!mcsun!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!gethsemane!sproule
|>    From: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule)
|>    Newsgroups: misc.fitness
|>    Date: 17 Dec 92 20:28:59 GMT
|>    Reply-To: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM
|>    Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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|>    NNTP-Posting-Host: gethsemane.ebay.sun.com
|> 
|> 
|>    >   * I've been training for a number of years now, and I'm very happy with my size
|>    >   * and shape. However, my body-fat has always remained between 11-14%. How do I
|>    >   * go about bringing it down into single figures (4-7%) ? Lots of aerobics ? What
|>    >   * about my diet ? Do I need any supplements ? Do I lay off the weights ? What
|>    >   * sort of time-scales am I looking at ? etc. etc.
|>        >
|>        >   A question to answer your question:
|>        >
|>        >  If you are very happy with your size and shape,
|>        >  why do you care about reducing your body fat from
|>        >  a healthy 11-14% down to a possibly unhealthy 4-7%?
|> 
|> 
|>        My response to anyone who wants to drop down to 4-7% bodyfat is: GO
|>    FOR IT !!!  Think about it. If you were to grab a hand full of the fat
|>    around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
|>    not cushioning any muscle tissue nor is it providing cushion protection
|>    for the joints in your body from that location. It simply sits there and
|>    does absolutely nothing for you. The mere fact that your body can have
|>    enough excess fat to be able to grab denotes that you already have all
|>    of the necesary fatty material in between the muscles and organs. The ex-
|>    cess is excess. 

Many women (myself included) fail to menstruate when our body
fat percentage dips too low.  This happened for me, when I
measured 6-7%.  I'm at my healthiest when I am ~15%.


--------------------------____________------------------------------
Barbara Zayas		              Software Engineering Institute
bjz@sei.cmu.edu			      Carnegie Mellon University
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From: paradise@access.digex.com (S. Cole)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Dr. Pataki, PowerLean
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:20:18 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Has anyone heard of a Dr. Ladislav Pataki or his product called
PowerLean?  I received some information in the mail on it and would
like to hear from anyone that knows anything about it.

Please send email to me at paradise@access.digex.com
thanks..
From: neilos@dingbat.Eng.Sun.COM (Neil O`Sullivan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Ergomania
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:27:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: neilos@dingbat.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dingbat


The Concept II 40 minute 10K is easy?

That is my pace currently.  Being a runner (10K p.r. of 36:40) and
not a sprinter, I find longer workouts more to my liking.  I seem
to be up against both a strength *and* aerobic limit at 40 minutes
for the 10K row.  Being in pretty good shape, I considered that pace
none too shabby, but am open to suggestions on how to improve, since
I use rowing to add variety to the usual running, stairmaster, and
weights workouts.

n

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Re: Too *little* fat intake?
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 07:25:29 GMT

In article <38058@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
|> I know about the recommendation to keep fat intake down to 20-40%
|> of total calories, which should mean between 50 and 100 grams per
|> day for me (around 2500 calories total daily intake).
|> 
|> But I can very easily get along on virtually no fat intake, eating
|> mainly grains, legumes, fruit, salads, and fat-free milk and yoghurt.
|> Even if I add some low-fat dressing and a bowl of soup, I'm not likely
|> to go over 20 grams per day.
|> 
|> So the question is this: is it possible to eat too *little* fat?  Is
|> there some danger in going too long on such a low-fat diet?  
|> 
|> David Johns
|> 

Yes, it is possible to get too little fat.  A recommended absolute minimum
is about 5% of your caloric intake.  If you don't get 
enough, you will develop permanent nerve damage.  As soon as 
I can get to my textbooks, I'll be more specific.

Rod
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Is techno utopianism justified ? (Re: Why?)
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:19:42 GMT

In article <1h54ppINN65m@usenet.pa.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
}Is technical utopianism justified today ?    Are we living in an age
}when some great scientific revolution into a post-modern world
}is going to save us ?

Depends.  Do you view "1984" (the book, not the year) as a utopia?

}Do folks think utopian ideals are justified ... on scientific grounds ?
}... maybe on spiritual grounds, as in Marilyn Ferguson and crowd ?   

Alas, not I.  "Can", but I don't expect "will".

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: 01f@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc Walker )
Subject: Neck Exercises
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:16:03 GMT

Any recommendations on exercises to increase your neck size??
Scott

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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: new bike
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I live in Cambridge, bike theft capitol of the world. I always buy a
used 10-speed (actually they are all 12-speeds these days) and I
deliberately let it get scuffed up. When possible, I chain it, with a
large lock, next to the shiniest bike I can find. 
  There are some FAQ's about bikes in the rec.bicycles hierarchy so
let's not go into tech, but it does help to buy a decent bike. My
current bike is heavy and a bit awkwards, and it does discourage me
from attempting longer trips. A new bike in the spring, if my knees
heal!
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From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Subject: Re: pulse monitors
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:02:15 GMT

In article <199219.4912.10059@dosgate> "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com> writes:
>  Speaking of pulse monitors, could anyone comment on the PulseTrack
>model that is offered by NordicTrack as a $49 accessory?  Does it work
>reliably?  (It uses an earlobe clip.)
>  My NordicTrack Excel came with a speedometer/chronometer but it does
>not have the pulse-rate monitor and I'm wondering if I should add it.
>
>-- Ron

When I bought my nordic track they threw it in for free.  Personally
I find the ear clip very uncomfortable and haven't used it for years.
(The heart monitor not teh Nordic track 8-) ).

David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
Ok.... So I didn't major 
in English.
From: carl@louise (Carl W. Parramore)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Met-RX Results
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:18:59 GMT

Has anyone tried the product MET-RX?  What were your results? How expensive
was it?


Thanks in Advance

Carl

carl!dream@pangea.com

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From: burdick@frostbite.crd.ge.com (William E. Burdick KWC-1623 5585)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.wanted,ny.wanted
Subject: WANTED:  NordicTrack
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:55:43 GMT
Distribution: capdist
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I am interested in purchasing a used NordicTrack cross country
ski exerciser; in particular, I am most interested in the Pro
or Elite models.

If you have a NordicTrack for sale, please reply to:

burdickma@macgw1.crd.ge.com

Thanks,
Marcia Burdick
From: sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Eczema and atopic dermatitis
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:49:52 GMT
Reply-To: sbookey@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY


Could anyone give advice/share experiences concerning eczema and atopic derma-

titis?  I have started with an allergist and a nutritionist, and I am sick of

the dermatologists.  Only prednisone seems to help.  Any experiences with

controlling foods that exacerbate eczema?  Help!  It is really unbearable!
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 23:00:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec17.132820.5755@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) wrote:
> Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
> interest in improving yourself.  Why?

In article <WET.92Dec18115643@judge-dredd.hut.fi> wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen) writes:
>	o you can impress girls when having dinner ("Who else is coming? YOU
>	ARE GOING TO EAT ALL THAT???")

Don't forget:

   you can rescue young damsels in distress by offering to complete their work
at removing the shoulder high mound of snow while they sit back and ogle over
(the product of) your worksmanship.  "Much obliged (*kiss*)".  "No problem.
Saved me a trip to the gym."

>There are more, but I'm hungry.

Our grass is still green...
From: tino@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (allen.j.tino)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: My Milk Shake Recipe
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:56:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <92364.145933U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>, by <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>:
> Hello, all:
>    A while ago, there was a discussion about home-made
> high carb/protein low fat juices.  This is the latest concoction
> I have been using.  It's very tasty, filling and stops any craving
> I might have for chocolate.
> 
>    Blend together:
>      1 whole banana, sliced, about 8" long (without peel, o'course)
>      I/2 an apple, peeled, chopped, about 3 1/4" in diameter
>      2 tablespoons honey
>      1 cup skim milk
> 
> The nutritional breakdown is as follows:
> 
> Food                Calories     Proteins    Carbohydrates   Fats
>                                     (g)          (g)          (g)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1c. Skim Milk          85            8           12            0
> 2 tbsp. Honey         130            0           34            0
> 1/2 Apple             125           16            3            1
> 1 Banana              105            1           27            1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Total                 445           25           76            2
> % Calories from fat = 2*9*100/445 = 4.0%
> 
> I forgot the book that I got this info from at home, so I can't
> give U the names of the authors.  The book is called "Nutrition,
> Concepts and Controversies."
> 
> If anyone is interested, try out this shake.  It's very tasty
> and very low in fat.  Let me know what you think.
> 

Where do I get those high-protein apples? :-)
I suspect you made an error.

_______
Al Tino
tino@globe2.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:09:46 GMT

In article <lott.32.0@egr.msu.edu> lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott) writes:
>This seems like an extremely stupid question, but someone brought up 
>grapefruit juice and now I'm wondering about it.
>
>I've had Grapefruit juice concentrate and it's just downright nasty 
>tasting.  I like grapefruit juice from the grapefruit, but is it possible 
>to get the good tasting stuff from a bottle?  I'm not looking for the stuff 
>full of sugar, either.   Any suggestions on brands? 
>
>Jennifer

'president's choice` is the rage for not-from-concentrate grapefruit juice
these days.....at least in cambridge, ma.

poobear
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jwabik@uc.msc.edu (Jeff Wabik)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:22:34 GMT

In article <28875@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy) writes:
> 
> 
> I have been on a pretty good exercise regimin for the past 8 months
> or so.  I have been doing a lot of lifting and running with some bike riding
> thrown in.  This has been pretty successful to drop body fat, but
> my problem is this:  even though my body fat has dropped about 8 - 10 percent
> my waist(around my handles) has increased in size.  This is exactly
> the opposite of what I wanted.
> 
> I guess what has happened is that muscle tissue has built under the fat that
> remains.  My question is "How can I keep toning the abs without there
> being growth?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your input.


Lots of high-rep movements tend to tone and firm rather than grow.
Honestly, I dont believe that you've really increased in size around
the waist while dropping 8-10% bodyfat..  not to call you a liar, mind
you, but..  it really seems to defy.. uh..  logic?  physics?  :-)

Some people are predisposed to building muscle easily along the
obliques..  this can give you a "muscular" version of "love handles".
This could be you.  Thus, don't do any exercises that specifically hit
the obliques [twisting movements, or side-crunches, etc..].  Since
abdominal exercises don't particularly do anything to help you lose
bodyfat anyhow, you may want to dramatically decrease the ab work that
you're doing in favor of other aerobic things.. 

       	-Jeff

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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:40:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec31.164016.6807
Organization: Western Washington University

silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>Actually, when someone uses Deca Durabolin, they generally lose their ability
>to "get it up."  (This applies to just the guys.)  :-)  They do lose
>interest too.  If you want to increase that sex drive, try some Anadrol-50.

>This is something observable from my "study." <-- What a joke.
>							-Adam

BTW, Adam, what's been updated in you study recently?
Could you repost the latest incarnation?
Jim D
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: pulled muscles
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:35:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: MORPHEUS.CORWIN+.92Dec21153535
Distribution: misc
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU


Several years ago I pulled my trapezius while riding my bike.  My
doctor told me to let the muscle rest, and eventually it did stop
hurting.  But ever since then, I seem to pull this muscle more easily.
When it is reinjured, it normally only hurts for a day or so and I
always take it easy for a few days to give the muscle time to rest.
But, is there anything I can do to help this muscle heal better or
strengthen the muscle so that it does not get injured as easily?

Thanks for any help,

Scott Safier                                   corwin+@cmu.edu
Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University
        
member, T.S.A.K.C.  B0/1 f+ w- g k+ s- m(+) e++

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Harley Myler <hrm@engr.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:45:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Central Florida
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:41:30 GMT

Re: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)

I recommend "Florida Gold" (*NOT* from concentrate). Note, the
fresh-squeezed brands are VERY perishable, unless you like grapefruit
wine. Of course, this is the main reason for concentrates.

p.s. although a Floridian, I do not own stock in an orchard.

--Harley Myler (hrm@engr.ucf.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Chills
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:07:02 GMT

	I would like to know if anyone has experienced chills
	after a fairly strenuous exercise program.  This is after
	the cooldown, shower etc.

	Does anyone know the cause/cure for this?

	Hema


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