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From: fernande@nova.ccrs.emr.ca (Nick Fernandes)
Subject: Re: All Rookie Team?
Summary: Not Parks Yet.
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.223417.22895@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman) writes:
>1991-1992 All Freshman Team
>
>Name                          School                 Comments
>Jalen Rose G                 Michigan            Almost lead Wolves to title
>Lawrence Moten G             Syracuse            Big East POY in '92-93
>Cherokee Parks C               Duke              Learned great deal behind C.L.
>Chris Webber F               Michigan            Could be best ever at U.M.
>Alan Henderson F             Indiana             May take IU to B10 title

I don't think that Parks deserves a spot on the All Freshman team.  Granted
he had to play in the shadow of Christian, but just because he showed
potential does not warrant a position on this special team.  If your looking
for a freshman center who had a better season I would go with Juwan Howard.
I think he had better numbers and definitely played a bigger role in his 
team's success.  If the actual positions aren't important then I would like
to know if James Forrest deserves a spot.  Does anyone have comments/stats
on his first season?  I do believe that Cherokee Parks could develop into
a dominant player, but his first year's play didn't leave a big impression.

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From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congrats to the champs
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:18:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Apr7.225639.16560@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman) writes:

>Can anyone tell me if Duke and Michigan play next year and where the '94 Final 
>Four will be held?  From rumors, I hear the Deandome.

Not sure about the '94 Final, but Duke and Michigan will play in Durham in
December.  GO BLUE!!!!
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From: nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan)
Subject: Re: Nice job by CBS
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.230914.5227@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>While I have been dissatisfied with some of CBS's coverage--especially Bill
>Walton, and to a lesser extent their IU-DUKE coverage--I have to congratulate
>them on doing a nice job on their special "Eye of the Tiger:A season in Shaq's
>house".  That special was very well done and I thought most interesting to watch
>a team progress throughout the year. To see their preseason expectations--to   
>watching the way the season actually broke down.
>I liked the way Dale came across--in particular his fire and brimestone sermons
>after bad performances.  Dale: "Some of you would let somebody piss on you
>and tell you its raining" to "get home and get to bed! And I BETTER NOT
>HEAR any smiling or laughing on the busride back!"
>
>Like many LSU faithful I was steamed several times at Dale during this season--
>in particular for him letting Maurice Williamson get the inbound pass with
>7 seconds to go and LSU up on Louisiville by 2.  Maurice has been horrible 
>at the line and sure enough he missed em both and Louisville hit a LONG
>3 to win the game.  The CBS report looked at that particular play--and I have
>to admit I came down too hard on Brown for that.  Maurice can be a lights out
>shooter--and he is a definite NBA prospect if his consistency improves, but he
>has a mental block at the line.  And to see Brown's perspective on Maurice missing
>them both was enlightening. "I wanted to drop kick him through the football post
>because I know how he shoots in practice, but my compassion for him as a human
>being was stronger."
>
>And to see Brown getting on Shaq and telling him "you're a better athelete
>than that, but you have to start 'playing defense' right"--ie Brown clearly
>exasperated with Shaq not playing a defense the way it was drawn up.

>
>Did any of you LSU/BROWN/SHAQ haters see this? Change any minds?
>No need to waste net resources if all you want to do call any of the 
>above assholes.

Roy,

 Why do you care if the LSU/Brown/Shaq haters changed their minds? Half the
fun of basketball is the "I hate your team/coach and you hate mine". It would
be boring if everybody loved whatever team you pull for. Hell, if T-Bone or
Goober started liking LSU/Brown, I would have to seriously think about finding
another team to support. We know that LSU is a great school and Brown is a 
great coach, so just let the others wallow in their ignorance. :)


 GEAUX TIGERS

 Nelson

>
>Roy
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Don MacLean = Kiki Vandewaigh
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:32:59 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>Some of you may think I'm crazy, but Don Maclean strikes me as having a
>remarkably similar game to that of Kiki Vandewaigh (or however the hell you
>spell his name), at least coming out of college.  Do you suppose that is
>the type of player Don will be?

	U mean a non-rebounding, non-defending, shooting fool?  Sure! :)

	Jazzy J	
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: +++DUKE WINS AGAIN!!!+++
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:24:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.122412.7323
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr7.164652.9363@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>
>     Congradulations to all the DUKE BLUE DEVILS and most of all TO ALL OF US 
>FANS OUT THERE...Not bad to be the #1 team for last year, the entire year this 
>year, and now next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that some Duke fans are congradulating themselves for the success
of their basketball team for some reason does not surprise me at all.  I'm
sure you are responsible for recruiting Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley's
great ball-handling skills, Grant Hill's leaping ability and quickness, and
of course coach K's halftime speach.

There is nothing wrong in enjoying your team's feats this year, but
congradulating yourselves most of all?  Give me a break...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: duke bashing: please give it a rest
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:28:40 GMT

I'm with all of ya all!!!!

GO DUKE!!!

THE HYPEMAN
From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:29:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Apr15.173719.17601@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
|> 
|> >4 of those starters played in the NBA - 3 are still playing in the NBA 
|> >and I believe were 1st or high 2nd round picks (Nick Anderson, Kendall
|> >Gill, and Kenny Battle). Bardo is playing in the CBA currently.
|> >Anderson and Gill are averaging nearly 20 pts. a game in the NBA.
|> 
|> Oops I forgot Marcus Liberty - 4 starters in the NBA and 1 in the CBA.
|> The only mark against that team was size and free throw shooting - they
|> weren't very big.
|> 
|> Can you think of any other college teams with 4 starters that went on
|> to play in the NBA?

   Unfortunately, that years Illini team doesn't qualify for that
   honor either.  If memory serves, Liberty came off the bench.  The
   starters were:

            Lowell Hamilton C
            Nick Anderson   F
            Kenny Battle    F
            Steve Bardo     G
            Kendall Gill    G

   So, does anyone know if Hamilton is still playing ball anywhere?
   Last I heard he was on a team in Turkey.  I think he would have been
   a lot better off at the forward spot in college instead of trying 
   to play center.  He was too small to hold off the opposing center a lot
   of the time and never seemed too comfortable with his back to the basket.

David Hartsough
dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu
From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: When is the NBA Draft Day?
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:09:24 GMT

In article <18234@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
> The title says it all.  When is the NBA Draft Day?

I believe it's in mid June.

> For extra points, how about posting a list of players available for
> the draft? (Please include: name, college, height, position, stats)

Two Words.

SHAQUILLE O'NEAL


5000
Gregg Horan
From: hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA Title as Player and Coach
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:30:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr3.004637.17401@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.berkeley.edu (this  is ken bowers account) writes:
>reading this, I wondered how many folks had done this in the NCAA's.
>I understand Knight was a reserve on an Ohio State championship
>team.
> Anyone else fit this category, or come
>close like Wooden?

How about Dean Smith??


_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN


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GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

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From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:47:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Apr14.100354.14866@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.151735.17304@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>>
>>The point is that the Triangle is like a single city, probably smaller in
>>area than what is generally referred to as "Atlanta".  I don't think the
>>Lexington-Louisville-Cincinnati situation is very similar at all.

You're probably right. To drive--oh, let's say around Raleigh, to Durham,
to Chapel Hill, and back would probably take an hour. It takes 75 minutes
to drive around the Perimeter of Atlanta (I-285).

>Is this true? Durham is a hole w/ Duke's little idyllic island stuck smack
>in the middle. I always heard that Chapel Hill was a pretty little
>country town...I'm all confused. And hurt. Hurt and confused. Could
>Chapel Hill be a pretty little suburban sprawl? That doesn't sound right.

Um, yeah, basically. Duke's "idyllic island" is being encroached by Durham's
crime. Raleigh is your nice average city. Chapel Hill isn't really country
any more, but it hasn't quite decayed until the true awfulness of suburban
sprawl yet--that's Cary's department. (I'm from Cary, I'm allowed to say that.
:) )

-- 
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From: schapple@nutmeg.. (Shawn Chapple)
Subject: Re: Go MICHGAN-DUKE sucks
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:36:34 GMT

In article <7Yj+wz#@engin.umich.edu> martyp@caen.engin.umich.edu (Martin  
Pochmara) writes:
> I was at the DUKE-Michigan game earlier in the year, and I saw
> Michigan come alive in the second half only to lose in overtime.
> That's when people saw the talent that Michigan had and began
> following them. I became a believer after that game, and so did
> the rest of the 'kids' that play for Michigan..................
> 
> The revenge factor will prevail. Michigan has wanted DUKE since
> day one of the tournement. Now they got 'em, hope they can beat 'em.
> 
> I call it: Michigan 81 - Duke 77
> There will be some techs given out- due to the talking. And
> possibly a fight.....
> 
> 				-Marty
> 				-University of Michigan
> 	

Duke doesn't deserve to win this game simply because they suck.  I hope  
that I am offending any Blue Devil fans out there. When  we (Indiana  
University) played Duke in the simi final game the referees were on Dukes  
side and that hurt us a lot.  Even though Duke had the referees on their  
side we still only loss by 3 points.  I admit that we lost our composure  
at the end of the first half, but all of those unnecessary fouls called on  
us didn't help either.  Whoever heard of giving a team a technical foul,  
just because the bench jumped up.  I believe that if the game was called  
right we would have beat Duke.  I still think our team is by far the best  
team out there, but with referees calling fluky shots it was hard to prove  
it, but Duke you will get yours by Michigan.  

Keep the NCAA in the big TEN Michigan.

Shawn
Indiana University

From the Hoosier Land.
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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... (and Re: Annoying NCState fans)
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 02:22:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.182829.13346@ncsu.edu> gannon-t@sparc.ncsu.edu (Terry) writes:
>It's a joke, a farce, a parody.  All of our names
>are the names of former Wolfpack players and coaches.

Ah.  Well there's your problem -- you actually expect anybody to know
(or care) about former Wolfpack players.

If you had used former Bruin players, on the other hand...

- Trent Lange

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Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 20:34:51 EDT
From: <SNOSZB@vm.sas.com> (Sanjeev Banerjia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Annoying NCState fans


In article <12554@umd5.umd.edu>, firey@lab5.smcm.edu (Thomas A. Firey) says:
>
>Re: the "intelligence" of the above statement.
>
>Are all Wolfpack fans this dense/annoying?
>
>Is there any way to ban them from the net?
>
>Just wondering,
>
>Thomas

No, all us PackBackers aren't that annoying, and several of us have shown that
quite capably in years past.

Now if everyone would just stop taking all of this goober bait...:-)

Sanjeev
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From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte?
    <1992Apr6.234820.28466@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> 
    <1992Apr7.134218.6803@ncsu.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:22:49 GMT
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1446

In article <1992Apr7.134218.6803@ncsu.edu>, sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia) writes:
>This'll never happen as Charlotte doesn't have enough room under the salary
>cap, and they don't have a lot of people they can unload/deal with i.e no one
>really wants J.R.
>

   This is not necessarily true.  Not only will the increase in the salary
cap help the Hornets this summer, but getting rid of Chapman's $2 million a
year for the next two years, will help the most.  The Hornets shouldn't have
any financial difficulty in signing their first round pick even if they are
lucky enough to land in the top 3.
   As for J.R., he's been playing quite well this year.  It was last year that
no one would take him.  Seeing his improvement this year, I'm sure they
could move him if they wanted.  You State people just can't lay off of J.R.,
can you? :-)  The first step is to admit you have a problem. :-)

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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:44:15 GMT

James Bernstein writes:
>Pat Knight, that is.  The 6-6 redshirt sophomore was kicked off the team  
>by His Old Man, The Mentor, after he had been arrested for public  
>intoxication early Wednesday morning.
>
>It  is  difficult to tell whether this is a permanent suspension.  The  
>implication in the newspaper story was that it was permanent.  If so, that  
>would free up  a scholarship, although to whom it would go is a mystery.   
>Besides, who's out there worth giving a scholarship to?  (aside from  
>Harrington.)

I thought that Pat Knight, since his father is a university employee,
would not need a scholarship. At least that was what I remember 
hearing o so long ago.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"I'm wearing a bra." - Tom Servo, MST3000
From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke : 1992 NCAA Men's Basketball Champs!
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:40:06 GMT
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill

In article <72993@netnews.upenn.edu> zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla) writes:
>
>Ah, yes.  To all the naysayers, the crybabies who whined that the refs did
>them in, the people who said Duke didn't really have a good team...
>
>YOU CAN TALK THE GAME BUT NONE OF YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME!!!

You're so right.

I've been wondering...

What's it like playing for coach K?  Please tell us how you liked
playing for Duke's varsity team.  Did you get much playing time?
I don't recall seeing you on the floor, but I'm sure that's just my
bad memory.

  -joe
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: The crumbling U.W. Mens's B-Ball Program
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:08:25 GMT

duh@milton.u.washington.edu (Darius Howard) writes:
>  Until we keep our blue chip b-ball players in state [...]

I think that last year UW had all 5 of its starters from here in the
Bay Area (Oakland, Richmond, San Rafael).  At the time I thought that
Lynn Nance may have started to recruit them when he was at St. Mary's
and then they followed him to Seattle.  Was that the case?

Anyway, the funny thing is that at the same time Stanford has three
starters from the Seattle-Tacoma area (Lollie, Dukes & Williams).  The
SU-UW series was really home-and-home.

>It's also pathetic to see that our Women's Basketball team
>outsells our Men's Basketball team.  How many schools can brag about
>that?

Maybe not Virginia and Tennessee, but I wouldn't be surprised if that
was the case in Western Kentucky and SW Missouri State.  It's
certainly true (or very close) at Stanford!

I mean: the NATIONAL CHAMPION STANFORD CARDINAL (aka Home Of The Hemmer).
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Illini transfer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:14:36 GMT


	Scott Pierce, a 6'8" forward, who averaged about 6ppg this season
	for the Illini (and started in the early part of the season), has
	announced that he will transfer from the University to attend a 
	school closer to his Texas home. 

	This loss should not be terribly bad for Illinois, consider the 
	return of Kaufmann and the addition of 6'8" Chris Gandy.  However,
	the Illini will miss Pierce's enthusiasm for the game, his hustle,
	and his defensive prowess.

	This transfer brings a question to mind -- how many players in recent
	years have fled Lou's coop?  Only Scott Haffner comes to mind at the
	present...

	Jazzy J
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From: e7-gn@dv349-1f.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:35:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rt847INNen3
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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      Does anyone know the High School All-American Team list and
    which team each player is attending
From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr9.200428.13842@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:
>JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr8.140617@mccall.com>
>>scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ason R Holdman) writes:
>>>>	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>>>>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>>>>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss
>>>>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers!
>>>>
>>>I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
>>>about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a
>>>championship?
>
>>I am not a Michigan fan but have watched the action in the state of Michigan
>>people were arrested and interestingly none of them attend Michigan.
>>One was from Illinois, however, but I wouldn't conclude that Illinois
>>people are rioters.
>
>
>
>Hey, listen here, Illinoisians can riot with the best.  We're not
>about to be outdone.  There is a long, proud history of rioting
>in Illinois.  Haven't you heard of the Alton riots?  Smashed
>that abolitionist printer Elijah Lovejoy's press 3 times.  He kept 
>coming back for more and eventually had to be shot to death.
>
>Remember the Chicago Seven?  Now that was some fine rioting!!
>

   Heck, why go all the way back?  We did a damn good job last year
when the Bulls won the NBA.  That'll show Detroit we can play ball
and riot with the best of them.


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