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From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: hello, I'm back
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:55:03 GMT
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In article <1993Jan20.043803.18810@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In article <43752@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:
>>["Shock Tactics" vs "Head On"]
>
>Of the songs I know off HEAD ON, which are "Vice Versa," "Hammerhead,"
>"Walking Out On You," and "Take It Like A Man" I like, but there's something
>in the vocals of the HEAD ON recordings that make me like SHOCK TACTICS
>more. I was referring mostly to the way Bruce Bruce sang rather than the
>compositions themselves. 

	Hmmm ... perhaps.  I was in general disappointed with the songs
on "ST" ...

> I'm basing this on how "Take It Like A Man" sounds
>like on METAL EXPLOSION with "Take It Like A Man." I like all of what I've
>heard of the Dickinson Samson stuff, which I think stand well on their
>own anyway so that when Paul Samson reissued the stuff he didn't have to
>say "Featuring Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden!" all over the covers. 

	Well, that's just to get attention.  There are many who don't know
of Samson, and will buy anything Maiden-related if they can.  So it's
just a marketing ploy.  Pretty common thing to do -- I can't think of
any other cases like this, but it seems that I'm always seeing 
"Featuring X, now with band Y" stickers on new releases ...

>For
>some people that would seem like a turn-off (I know a few people who hate
>Dickinson's voice. I am not one of those people, but I still like Di'anno
>over Dickinson.)

	I don't like Dickenson at all anymore -- he was much better in 
Samson and on earlier Maiden releases than he is now.  His voice is 
annoying to me, and I'm not sure why ...

					Brian
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From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Morbid Angel lyrics
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:01:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.021737.19284@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>Basically, on BLESSED ARE THE SICK, I have a hard time understanding what
>Vincent is singing about. I have the lyrics, but all these names and stuff and
>my dictionaries don't say very much about them. Could anyone provide a brief
>overview of what these songs are about? I have a clue on "Fall From Grace"
>and I remember when I saw these guys opening for S.O.D. last year that
>Vincent dedicated "Brainstorm" to all ex-Morbid Angel / Xecutioner members
>(I think that's what they used to be called) and to people who didn't believe
>in the band's success. Well, I was sort of in the back and so I may have
>misheard him. 

Morbid Angel mix a lot of Lovecraftian stuff in with the "real"
mythology. (H.P. Lovercraft was a "subtle" horror writer in the 20s,
30s, and early 40s. Check out some of his stuff - collections have
been released.)  I think they also borrow from traditional Christian
and Babylonian/Sumerian mythology.

>Also, I saw this CD advertised which is a bunch of 1986 demos from before
>Vincent was in the band. Is this disc any good? It seems if Azagthoth wrote
>the music like he did BLESSED that it would be pretty good.

I wasn't too impressed with this, but I haven't listened to it for a
while.

>I don't have ALTARS OF MADNESS yet. Does it have songs like "Desolate Ways"
>or "In Remembrance" on it (ie classical style instrumentals) or is it just
>a thing they did specifically for this album and are never going to do it
>again? I wouldn't mind either way, but just want to know what to expect.

That stuff is new with BatS. I suspect, given what I've read about them,
that the next album will probably be similar.

AoM has "different" production - less punch, I think, but the speed
is emphasized more. The difference is interesting.

>These guys play very well in concert, though. Did they say when their new
>album is due? I read that they're now on a major record label, maybe the first
>grindcore band ever to be on one.

I don't know, but I'd like to.

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From: jasper@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (Keith A French)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: question about Slayer
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:26:00 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:

>Would the double live albums set be a good enough collection of Slayer stuff
>so that I don't have to get all their albums? I don't like Slayer THAT much,
>but they have some interesting stuff. I liked most of SOUTH OF HEAVEN and
>some of SEASONS IN THE ABYSS (especially "Dead Skin Mask," "Skeletons Of
>Society," and "War Ensemble") but some stuff I just found kind of boring.
>So what would you recommend> DECADE OF AGRESSION or that EP REIGN IN BLOOD?
>Or is there something else I should consider as the best collection of Slayer
>stuff? (I'm sort of getting slowly into American heavy metal now).

If all you want is a sampling, then you should go ahead and just get
Decade of Agression.  However, each Slayer album is almost an entirely
different kind of music (South and Seasons are kinda the same though).
Decade leaves off most of the tracks from Hell Awaits, which I think
is an EXCELLENT album (most people disagree with me on that!).  But
for a basically 'greatest hits' type album, Decade should suffice.
P.S. Reign in Blood isn't really an EP, just a short LP. And a kick
ass one too!

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From: gtd543a@sol.crt.columbia.edu (death)
Subject: Re: question about Slayer
Organization: Purgatory
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:25:09 GMT
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Philip  Wang (pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Would the double live albums set be a good enough collection of Slayer stuff
: so that I don't have to get all their albums? I don't like Slayer THAT much,
: but they have some interesting stuff. I liked most of SOUTH OF HEAVEN and
: some of SEASONS IN THE ABYSS (especially "Dead Skin Mask," "Skeletons Of
: Society," and "War Ensemble") but some stuff I just found kind of boring.
: So what would you recommend> DECADE OF AGRESSION or that EP REIGN IN BLOOD?
: Or is there something else I should consider as the best collection of Slayer
: stuff? (I'm sort of getting slowly into American heavy metal now).

Like everyone else, I must agree that Decade is the best sampling of 
old and new that you are going to find of Slayer.  Personally, I think
they are a lot better live on some of the older songs than they are
on the studio tracks.  I think the band has matured and playing their
older stuff is a lot smoother.  Even Kerry King will back me up on this.
He went back to an old friend of his to learn some more stuff on guitar
(he says that he figured he could learn something, since his friend
has a PhD in music) and he came out with better technique.

Sound isn't excellent on Decade, but it is good.  Just being live makes
the set stand up and take a bow...
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From: thayek@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Kenyon W. Thayer)
Subject: Rollins
Reply-To: thayek@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:24:02 GMT

I want more information on Rollins.  I have End of the Silence and love it.  I
just read Black Coffee Blues and loved that as well.  I want to know more, names
of books, bands he used to sing in, old Rollins Band stuff, concerts, anything.
 I know he used to sing for Black flag, but I have never heard any of the music.
Does anyone know if it is good?  
 Anybody know any other books or have read any of his books.  Please tell me
anything you can.


   Kenyon Thayer
   thayek@rpi.edu


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From: rpl1966@zeus.tamu.edu (RUDE DOG)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Killers Live
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:36 CST
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In article <1993Jan19.052540.18173@njitgw.njit.edu>, rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes...
>In article <1993Jan12.152928.6522@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>
>>Anyone have tour information on Killers, while we're on Maiden stuff?
> (Stuff Deleted)
>	Sorry, you missed them by about a month.  They played a couple of
>dates in NYC just before XMas.  I found out afterward, or I would've went.
> 
>							Raythrax
Does anyone know when they'll be coming to the South?  I heard on Z-Rock that
they'd be playing Texas during November, but then they didn't come.  I guess we
all understand why Z-Rock couldn't get information straight on a real group.
If it isn't Jackyl then it isn't for Z-Rock.  

Well, enough of my bitchin'.  I'd really like to know when Maiden's playing in
Texas, but any of the surrounding states would be ok, too.

Thanks in advance.

Up the Irons!!
Rude Dog
From: mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: New Overkill!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:54:37 -0600
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   I heard that the new Overkill will be due out around March 9th, and
is titled I Hear Black.  Any confirmation on this?  I also heard 
Nuclear Assault has one due out about that time called Something Wicked.

  Sounds good to me!

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: "Phantom Of The Opera" off the first Iron Maiden album
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:33:30 GMT

I have a Japan print of the first album, and at the end of "POTO" there's this
ten second pause or so and then Di'anno screams out "Trapped me back at your
lair" or something like that. Is this on all prints? Is this on the cassette
version at all? (I heard that the new "Weird Al" Yankovic album is acvtually
longer than 45 minutes or whatever and is actually about an hour long but if
you just let it play and don't shut it off thinking the CD player shut it off
by itself, after 20 minutes you hear all this screaming and then the disc ends.
That's a rumor as I have that album on cassette and it doesn't do that, which
is why I brought it up about the Iron Maiden song.) Also, is it on the original
vinyl version?

BTW, do they still play "Phantom"? That's my favorite Maiden song and it would
kind of disappoint me if I saw them and they didn't play it, because I already
missed Killers and maybe they also play it sometimes. If they do, does 'Arry
or Jannick Gers or both do backing vocals? Not that either was as good a singer
as Adrian, but some of their stuff seems like it wouldn't sound as good w/out
the backing vocals (like "Aces High," "The Trooper," etc.) 

Also, does Di'anno do that "yo, yo yo" stuff all the time in concert? Just
wondering. He did that on the "Drifter" track on the "Sanctuary" EP and 
again on "Running Free" on the Praying Mantis live album. (Did you notice that
in the middle of that song on the Mantis album he sings a little bit of
Kylie Minogue?)

wei hao



Wang Wei Hao                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
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From: infbkf0@informatik.uni-kl.de (Oliver Swienty )
Subject: MESSIAH
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:22:15 GMT

The BEST Grindcore Death Metal Band of Europe is (of course)
NOT Napalm Death BUT MESSIAH (of Switzerland).
Are there any guys on this motherfuckin' world who
knows more about this great Band?
Hey Motherfuckers! Reply or mail me (to the University
of K-Town(Kaiserslautern).
Bye Bye!
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Scatterbrain
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:11:39 GMT

In article <tam.102@stud.hsn.no> tam@stud.hsn.no (TORE SKARVIK AMUNDSEN) writes:
>Anyone heard of Scatterbrain? Funny lyrics, good music.
>I've got Scamboogery, and wonder if there are more stuff from Scatterbrain 
>out?

What I heard of SCAMBOOGERY I wasn't impressed with at but look for HERE COMES
TROUBLE as it's very heavy and has some really weird songs like "Drunken
Milkman," "Down With The Ship," "I'm With Stupid," etc. Though I have no
Ludichrist albums (where a bunch of Scatterbrain people came from) I heard
that they were better back then (I also hear that Scatterbrain is better, so
maybe overall they're just as good but pretty different from each other).

wei hao

Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Which Judas Priest to get?
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:47:04 GMT
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Organization: British Telecom
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In article ofLBu3200WBN09Rmpx@andrew.cmu.edu, dk3y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David-Hyung Suk Kim) writes:
>
>Can anybody recommend me some good Judas priest albums to buy? 
>Is it safer for me to buy the priest live and Best of priest or shall I
>collect the good ones? 
>Any suggestions would be appreciated.

The old stuff and new stuff are quite different. Try "Unleashed in the East"
which is live old stuff, but accelerated somewhat :-) Actually, "Unleashed in
the Studio" is a more apt title, by some accounts. Who cares !
 	In the UK, Rocka Rolla & Sad Wings... have been put on one CD at mid
price, which is a good intro to the older stuff (minus a couple of tracks, this
release is the same as Hero, Hero)

As for the new stuff, check out Screamin for Vengeance, or Defenders of the Faith,
especially the song "The Sentinel" The last two albums are pretty cool, in 
particular songs like Blood Red Skies and Nightcrawler.

Then there's Turbo... :-\

Well IMHO, Turbo isn't the turkey everybody makes it out to be. I like Locked In,
and I also think the Turbo songs done on Priest...Live are brilliant, especially
Out In The Cold.

T

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Kingdom come
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:08:48 GMT

In article <1jp59fINN7ob@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esutn@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P M McFadian) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know what has happened to the former members
>	of Kingdom come.Are any of them in new bands etc.
>
>	Phil

I thought Kingdom Come reformed. 

What are they really like? I heard the first album and was kind of bored, but I
liked the singles off the second one (still didn't get it though). I hear
stuff about how they copied Led Zeppelin (and that they denied it. Someone also
told me it got to the point where they said something to the effect that they
never heard of Led Zeppelin) but in any case I don't like Led Zeppelin too much
except for a song or two ("No Quarter," "When The Levee Breaks").

wei hao

Wei Hao Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
 we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
 control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."
From: d90-two@nilen.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Morbid Angel lyrics
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:37:46 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1993Jan22.010120.20518@sura.net> jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.021737.19284@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
[...]
>
>>Also, I saw this CD advertised which is a bunch of 1986 demos from before
>>Vincent was in the band. Is this disc any good? It seems if Azagthoth wrote
>>the music like he did BLESSED that it would be pretty good.
>
>I wasn't too impressed with this, but I haven't listened to it for a
>while.
>
It's in fact my favorite MA album. It's more raw and primitive than the later
albums, but I like it. Many of the songs (best) songs on the two later album
can be found on this one.
"bunch of 1986 demos" BTW... I thought is was a complete recording that just
wasn't released at that time?

>>I don't have ALTARS OF MADNESS yet. Does it have songs like "Desolate Ways"
>>or "In Remembrance" on it (ie classical style instrumentals) or is it just
>>a thing they did specifically for this album and are never going to do it
>>again? I wouldn't mind either way, but just want to know what to expect.
>
>That stuff is new with BatS. I suspect, given what I've read about them,
>that the next album will probably be similar.
>
>AoM has "different" production - less punch, I think, but the speed
>is emphasized more. The difference is interesting.
>
IMO BATS is overproduced, but AOM isn't. Unfortunatly the speed is emphasized
too much on it, it gets boring with those fast parts everywhere. But I like
AOM better than BATS anyway.

>>These guys play very well in concert, though. Did they say when their new
>>album is due? I read that they're now on a major record label, maybe the first
>>grindcore band ever to be on one.
>
>I don't know, but I'd like to.
>
Have they signed any yet? There's been a lost of talking the last year, and
they've clearly left Earache (shame!), but I haven't heard anything
definite yet.

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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: judas priest
Keywords: what to get
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:41:36 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1k4pmkINN8kj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rileyrm@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan M Riley) writes:

>First off, I bought a new Racer X disc the other day and on it they did a  
>song entitled "Heart of a Lion" written by the guys from Judas Priest.   
>Can anyone tell me which albul this came from?
>Second)  Everone agrees that Painkiller is definately the best Priest.  It  
>just kicks ass and Scott Travis just mother fuckin rocks.
>Coming in second I would say get Turbo or Ram it Down.

>Nuf said

>Cowboy

Yeah right. Ram it Down and Turbo are an embarassment to true Priest
fans. While I agree that Painkiller is a very good album, Stained
Class, British Steel and Defenders of the Faith are true classics. The
Sentinel is the best there is.

                                                    Vlad the Impaler
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From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Subject: Re: "Phantom Of The Opera" off the first Iron Maiden album
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:51:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.163330.12200@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>I have a Japan print of the first album, and at the end of "POTO" there's this
>ten second pause or so and then Di'anno screams out "Trapped me back at your
>lair" or something like that. Is this on all prints? Is this on the cassette
>version at all? (I heard that the new "Weird Al" Yankovic album is acvtually
>longer than 45 minutes or whatever and is actually about an hour long but if
>you just let it play and don't shut it off thinking the CD player shut it off
>by itself, after 20 minutes you hear all this screaming and then the disc ends.
>That's a rumor as I have that album on cassette and it doesn't do that, which
>is why I brought it up about the Iron Maiden song.) Also, is it on the original
>vinyl version?

I don't have the original (British), but I have a German version on vinyl,
and there is no any extra screaming after POTO. My friend's got a cassette
version, and as I recall it's not on it either.

-

Matti K. Varis m38853v@saha.hut.fi Helsinki University Of Technology

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From: infbkf0@informatik.uni-kl.de (Oliver Swienty)
Subject: Re: Paradise lost 
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:45:23 GMT


Hi Eric!
I'M also a very great Paradise Lost Fan,
but my favourite CD is LOST PARADISE(the first).
This CD is very Death-Metal-like but very different
to the both following Albums.
Gothic is very doom and the vocals of N.Holmes are
very rough and deep. in contrast to his vocals there 
are inbetween some female vocals of a woman(soundst like an
opera singer). The CD remembers me a little bit like some
stuff of 'Sisters of Mercy' mixed with Metal.
Shades of God is completly different to Gothic.
The songs are quite long and the vocals are more
aggresive than on Gothic (There aren't any women vocals
left at all).The sound isn't compareable with Death Metal
anymore.In spite of this  the songs are very good ,too.
I would buy all CDs of PARADISE LOST but if you have to choice,
begin with GOTHIC .IT's the best for NEW PARADISE LOST FANS.
That's it!
Excuse my bad English!
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