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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Do any good tele movies exist?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA

NATO (North American Telemark Organization) has three good videos:

Telemark Skiing (or some similar name)
Revenge of the Telemarkers
Advanced Nordic Downhill Techniques

These titles have been approximated - I'm at work and can't check them
The first two are full-length but the last is about 30 minutes long.
There is much good skiing in each but I found the tips in the third the
most personally edifying.
- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:25:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Steepness
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

>
>Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope
>
>The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
>Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
>Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
>Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
>(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees

Therapy START:

I'm always annoyed when someone asks me where I went skiing, and I say 
"Cameron Pass", and they reply, "Oh, you mean Cross Country..." in this 
tone of voice that implies "that's not *real* skiing".

I'd like to add two of our "Cross Country" runs to the list.  The 
measurements are taken from 7.5 minute topo maps.

East face of Diamond peak                 35 degrees (average for 900 verts)
Show Me! (guess how this got its name!)   40 degrees 

Therapy END.

Ahhh, I feel better now.

John

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From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:37:27 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Nov19.002108.18539@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
(referring to football player Herschel Walker)
>>He was on the US bobsled team during the last winter olympics...
>>
>>bruno.
>
>That's right!  I'd forgotten that!  I wonder if, in fact, he skis after
>all?  If so, I hope I'm never the victim of a ski collision with him.  It
>would be akin to having a tree ski into me, rather than the reverse.

	I think some athletes have "no skiing" clauses in their
	contracts, which is why we have that fake John Elway 
	Copper Mountain commercial.


	annette
	another asian, but not a very good skier (yet)

	
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:03:42 GMT

>Really?  A ski club for African Americans?  I have noted throughout my some
>25 years of skiing that skiing is one sport where you simply do not see
>many black people, and I think the reasons are obvious.

I'm a little fuzzy on the "obvious."  Can you elaborate?  Do you mean the
current economic situation?  Just curious.

>trying to picture someone like Herschel Walker,

Not certain who he is.  One typically doesn't see African-Americans in
climbing, but I saw one on Saturday.  And I know a couple from LA.
To others: I don't regard what Kelly said in a negative way, I just want
clarification.  I've yet to hear of an Asian-American ski club,
and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
highly conducive to skiing.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please! Name our ski team
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:36:37 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <1eg9vsINNcs@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM writes:
>How about "Sidecuts are for wimps". That was suggested and maybe even used
>by a friend of mine in the Wachusetts Mtn corporate league a few years ago.
>
>---
>UPA Masters Team: Red Menace		Chuckie B.
>BACUL Team: 	  RADial ACTive 	Sun Microsystems/SunSoft Inc. BDS
>Boston Area Corporate Ultimate League 	chuck.brunson@East.Sun.COM
> You're NEVER too old to play! 		Work Phn. (508)671-0527

OK, I'll play along.  Being from Lockheed, I'd suggest..

	Loose Rivets

...or... 

	Downward Spiral

It's a joke, OK?  But I feel that jokes make for the best names, be they
ski teams, rock bands, or dogs (I have two named Ed and Edna).  

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: t-shirt@bu.edu (matthew barr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: THIS COULD BE INTERESTING
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:30:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.102158
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


	I have had an idea for some time now and i want some feed back on 
what you all think of the idea. I have a way to group all the information about
 all the lodges and resorts in the North East(ie. # of slopes, # of lifts,
lodging, ticket prices, discounts, etc, etc,) I'm thinking of putting all the 
information together in a packet to sell through the mail. I would probably
advertise in thge ski magazines and the classifieds in the bigger newspapers. 
I was thinking the packet would probably run for about $5 to $7.50 plus
 shipping. What do think? Would you want a reference guide like this? Please 
leave a message telling me what you think.
						-Matthew Barr
						 Boston, Mass.  
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From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Double Black Diamonds at Mammoth
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

In article <1992Nov20.063959.23171@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
gschuck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Erle Schuck) writes:
> Don't forget, this is the mountain with the
> easiest black diamond of them all, Patrolman's (which is STILL mis-labeled
> as a black diamond).

HaHaHaHa.  I remember that one.  Pushing it to label it as a blue....

Beverly M. Zalan
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Double Black Diamonds at Mammoth
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center


In article <1eh6cqINN80q@mizar.usc.edu>, lapworth@mizar.usc.edu (Bill
Lapworth) writes:
|> Dave, how could you!  IMHO a double black diamond should be reserved for
|> runs where you stand a good chance of serious injury if a fall occurs, and
|> that such rock strewn elevator shafts are the domain of hard core experts
|> only.
|> 
|> Well, I was at Mammoth on 11/6, and saw a brochure they had mailed to 
|> prior year season ticket holders.  The mountain map was covered with
|> double black diamonds (no, I don't remember which runs, all I remember
|> is thinking that 95% of the designations were bs.)  
|> 
|> Are other areas bowing to the marketing pressure to have double D's?
|> 
|> Anyway, I've never seen so few people on the mountain. I guessed about 300
|> people, my friend who works there said it was more like 200 - with 1,2,3,5 
|> and upper gondola open!

I think we had this discussion last spring... But that's ok, I suspect people
will be grumping at each aother about this as long as resorts label trails with
any kind of difficulties. I think the bottom line was "your milage may vary."
Certainly, I've seen some inflation of what a "diamond" is, and clearly
some people
don't read the disclaimer you find on most trail maps about ratings only
being in
terms of the area, not other areas. (Actually, that should probably be clearly
*most* people :-( ) 

I don't know that a run needs to be "fall == death" terrain to justify a double
diamond, but I agree that it ought to be more than "this is a tough
trail which we
want to market as super expert terrain" which is what a lot of areas
seem to mean
by double diamond. 

It's funny, I don't know exactly where I fall on the spectrum of "advanced"
skiers, but I rarely have trouble divining what I'll find on a trail. I do 
sometimes chat with locals, patrollers, or folks comming of a certain trail
to make sure I'm not headed towards a really killer slot. I've skied some 
genuine double diamonds, and I still won't try a couple of the spots in Jackson
Hole, at least not with the snow cover I saw them with. 

I suspect, in the end, the problem is nothing will keep resorts from
abusing the
labeling system, and, also, in the end, nothing will keep fools from getting in
over their heads. 


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Big Sky?
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:00:54 GMT

I know that there are some Big Sky fans here (Big Sky Montanta that is).. so
send me your comments.  Is it worth the 16 hour deive from Mnpls? Should
we go there instead of Steamboat? What other areas should we consider? Drop
me an e-mail or follow-up

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: jfcst7+@pitt.edu (Joseph F Castagnino)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Looking for Female Ski Partner.
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:13:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jfcst7@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

From: jfcst7+@pitt.edu (Joseph F Castagnino)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject:LOOKING FOR FEMALE SKI PARTNER. 
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Keywords: 


I am looking for a female ski companion to ski with me at Holiday Valley

for a few days this December.  She must like to ski fast and aggresively

yet at times relax and just cruise.  I live approx. an hour away and can    

provide housing if nessecary.  So I hope to hear from you soon.

A
A
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From: peten@vcd.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:17:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD

Hmm, out of the less-than-100 people I ski with at least once a year, two
are of African descent and one is Asian. Both of the African-Americans have
NASTAR handicaps in the teens. The Asian is the best bump skiier I've ever had
the fortune to ski with. In addition, between co-workers and friends I know
three African-Americans and a half dozen or so Asians who claim to be skiiers.

The Pacific Northwest is known as one of the regions in which black Americans
are the most under-represented, so while the ratio of these minorities in my
skiing friends and acquaintances may not quite equal the ratio in the general
population, its not too far off.

After watching the skiing ability of the three ski-buddies I mentioned, I've
come to the inevitable conclusion that they simply don't have the aptitude
to become good skiiers :-) . Now if only I can get so I can finish within
3 seconds of their times....

-------------------------------
Pete Nicholson                 |
Hewlett-Packard, Vancouver WA  |
peten@vcd.hp.com               |
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From: kurt@prism.gatech.EDU (Erick Kurt Stirewalt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Card Companies (Was: Re: Anything happen to ASA?)
Summary: NSA still exists
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:47:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


In article <1992Nov12.232446.22253@hellgate.utah.edu>, jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker) writes:
> their cards away TRULY free.  I fear the the NSA has gone under, as their
> number has been changed, and I heard a rumor that ASA bought them out.
> 
> John Baker

NSA has not gone under, I have the 92-93 card.  Got it via mail order
through SKI magazine for $7.95.  Gonna use it in Breckenridge and Keystone.

Think snow

Mike McCord

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From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Subject: Re: Steepness
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:41:30 GMT

In article <4302@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes:
>Hal, thanks for that info- gets my blood pumpin just seeing those stats.  I'd 
>also be interested in how some of these others stack up in overall difficulty.
>For example, Corbetts @ Jackson Hole has about a five foot drop off to
>get into it.  Then for a large part of the chute, it is very narrow- maybe 
>10 yrds.  In other words THERE'S NO HOLDING BACK! 
>-- 
>Steven A. Ward
>The Boeing Company
>internet: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
>phone: (206) 662-0239

The drop into Corbetts varies a lot.  Five feet, sometimes, a lot more at 
other times.  Just depends on how much snow has built up.

-Davin Lim 
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From: pan_jt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jeffery Tai Pan)
Subject: Utah and monoskis
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:30:55 GMT

Hi all!
	I was just wondering if any of you have experience with monoskis. A
couple of my friends from out west have them and they say that it's a blast
in powder but a real leg burner on the hardpack.
	I'm going out west to Park City, UT over winter break and was
wondering if anyone out there knew of a place that rents monoskis. Any info
would be appreciated.
	By the way, we managed to arrange everything (airfare, lodging,
lifts, and food) for under $500. So if any of you are starving college
students like me, drop me a line and I'll give you the info.

				Thanks in advance,
						Jeff Pan
						pan_jt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Let it snow
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:36:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov23.093207.20518@hellgate.utah.edu>
allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>Just thought I'd ruin everybody's Monday morning with news so cheer up
>and think about the weekend crowds that will be heading for the slopes
>on Thursday.

Ssshhh!  You want to defend Alta, not praise it.
Terrible snow, terrible snow.  You got powder?  We'll bust it for you.
What with a hostname like HELLgate?  Just like Purgatory.

Ski Crystal Mountain.							3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question: Are Dynastar Course skis any good?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:30:20 PST
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

jl0h@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I am thinking of purchasing Dynastar Course skis (180cm) for my girlfriend.
> She is a low-intermediate and likes to ski slow.  The skis come with Salomon
> 647 bindings.  Are these good intermediate skis, and is this a good deal for
> $125.

  Its a good deal for 125 if the bases have'nt taken any major shots..
  (I'm assuming they're used ??)


  *BUT* these are -stiff- GS skis,  (I have COURSE HPI's) made for large
  radius high speed turns.  I would'nt reccomend them for the type of
  girlfriend sounds like.  It's hard to guess ski size w/o more specifics
  but I'd look for a softer flexing ski aimed more at recreational use,
  like K2 5500's or mid-range rossi's.



> Any info would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> "Ski straight;  if something gets in your way turn."
                                                ^^^^^--- nah...


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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Club Vertical
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Interesting combined use of point-of-sale technology and the chip 
system we use in place of a door key here at work as a replacement 
for night and weekend security guards. 

My guess is that they are using the discount as a means of getting 
regular skiers to use the system.  They will then use the statistics 
gathered with regular skiers to design a pricing scheme for general 
use of this system later.  (paranoid cynical view) 

My other guess is that they are using this as a means of getting a 
certain group of skiers that does not use the area enought to make 
a season pass worthwhile, but might actually generate more cash 
flow (in concessions, and in tickets) if they were motivated to 
ski that one area more exclusively than otherwise, to ski there.  

If they were really serious, they *would* allow point-of-sale use 
in other places, since then they could correlate your skiing ability 
with what kind of food you eat and what kind of products you buy, 
and thus target resort services more effectively. 

Speaking as someone whose university is leading the wave of the future 
(barring lawsuits or other complaints) by replacing its ID card with an 
"access" card -- that can be used as a debit card and phone card as 
well as library card and god knows what else -- you do not want to 
increase the ability of people to cross-correlate your spending with 
other data bases.  (My access card has *none* of the features enabled.) 
One of our supermarkets here has a very cute system for correlating 
purchases with buyer demographics that is based on automatic coupon 
discounts for users.  Marketers are very clever. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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From: sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Subject: Blizzard V16 R55
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:31:13 GMT

Hi Guy's,
  I got some new skis over the summer. They're the ones mentioned in the
subject of this message.
  Well, I guess I was just wondering if there's someone out there that has 
the same skis and likes them.  I'm just curious if someone has anything to say
about them so I can be even more psyched to go skiing this year.

Email me please. Thanks.
Dan.
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From: noodt@solan.unit.no (Bernt Noodt)
Subject: Student championships
Keywords: Flaine
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:56:30 GMT

We are some students here, who are thinking about skiing some
university races in Europe. We have heard  that there is a 
couple of races in Flaine, France, March 19-23. Does anyone
know more about this, we would be grateful if you could give us 
any more info about it. For  example :

1  Can anyone participate, or do you have to ski other races 
   earlier in the winter?

2  Are these races arranged as FIS-races, do you have to have 
   FIS-points to get good starting positions. 

3  Finally, where can we get more info. Adresses are nice to know.

Any input is appreciated.

Regards,

Bernt Noodt 
NTH, Norway

E-Mail : noodt@solan.unit.no
S-Mail : NTHI / alpin
         Stp. 222
         N-7034 Trondheim NTH
         NORWAY
From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Weekend trips in CA?
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:50:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.

I figure I have nothing to lose by posting this...

Anyone planning any weekend or day trips in California which would
swing their driving path through San Luis Obispo (perhaps LA area
people taking 101 up north)? New skis, new job to pay for trips, but
no new car for a number of months, almost certainly right around the
end of the season.

Maybe some sort of net.trip for a number of us Californians? (not to
mention a way of arranging transport for a car-less college student 
attending a school with no real weekender ski fans. Cal Poly: largest
ski club, but almost EVERYONE seems to wait for the club-sponsored
trips which are too few and far between for my tastes).

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From: seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Whistler Recommendations
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:32:31 GMT
Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx.


The random ski area of the year dart toss selected Whistler.

I'm looking for recommendations for lodging.

I know there is a Whistler Valley and Creek (the Creek area being older).
Most of the nightlife lies within the valley, I'm told.

Can anyone suggest a reasonably priced accommodations for a pair of couples.

appreciate your replys,

mike

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From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: Steepness 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:58:49 GMT

Here's an abridged version of a table appearing in the December 1992 Snow
Country magazine which I found very interesting.  

Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope

The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees
Palivacinni       Arapahoe Basin, CO           58%                30   degrees
Outer Limits      Killington, VT               42.6%              23   degrees
Exhibition        Squaw Valley, CA             41%                22   degrees
White Heat        Sunday River, ME             38.5%              21   degrees
Prima             Vail, CO                     37.5%              20.5 degrees
Spiral Staircase  Telluride, CO                35.8%              20   degrees
Goat              Stowe, VT                    35.3               19.5 degrees

Most of these are the steepest that the given area (or Ravine, or whatever) has
to offer.  My personal experience verifies that Great Scott and Saudan Couloir 
are the steepest runs at their respective areas.  But I question whether 
Exhibition is the steepest run at Squaw Valley.  Anyway, I thought this table
made up a pretty cool little factoid.  Enjoy!

Hal
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