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From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Milestones for Elizabeth
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Dec12.231146.12038
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

My Elizabeth has learned numerous things this past week.  She can now
pull herself up to standing on just about anything she can get a grip 
on. I discovered this when I got back from putting laundry in the washer
and she was standing there at the cushion. She can also briefly stand 
on her own. She is still to wobbley to do it for more than a few seconds. 
She also learned to push herself from laying down to sitting. So now she 
will sit and play in her crib at times. She is also very inquisitive 
about what everyone else is eating, so I gave her some.  She handled it 
very well, so I am starting her on Gerber 3rd foods.  For those that 
don't know what 3rd foods are: it has chunks in it.

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth)
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: citation needed for Canadian study on episotomy
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Can anyone give me a citation for the Canadian study so often 
mentioned, that shows episiotomies are not necessary?

Thanks!

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>, ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
> ...
> but my argument against it is that it is a medically unnecessary procedure.
> It is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons. And for me that is not
> a good enough reason to invoke such a procedure on babies.
> 

Interesting. Boy can I think of medically unnecessary procedures that are
done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: face lifts, nose jobs, tummy
tucks, breast inserts. I can think of uncomfortable non-medical procedures 
that are done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: wearing makeup, heels,
pantyhose, ties (for men), shaving ones legs (who hasn't cut themselves 
rather badly at least once), having ones hair highlighted or permed. 

To say nothing of anorexia and bulimia.

Interesting that so many of these unpleasant, unnatural processes are
done by women. I believe women are victims of society in that they are
socialized by society to believe they must be so attractive. The older
I get, the less I fall prey to society's message about how a woman should
look/be.

Okay, none of that had anything to do with misc.kids. Just my thoughts, but
I'm not the first to get off the subject.

I am totally ignorant about circumcision. Would someone please e-mail about
when it is usually done, by whom, at what cost, does insurance cover it,
are there any possible complications or dangers? I'll be giving birth in
a birth-center, so it won't be done there.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:28:14 GMT
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

When I was in the hospital, after giving birth to my second child, I
was mulling over whether or not to have him circumcised.  I was
leaning towards "not" based on discussions with several pediatricians,
and I had a conversation with my hospital roommate which convinced me
not to.  She was had just given birth to a baby girl, and had an older
child, a boy.  Her boy had been circumcised at birth, and was then about
5 years old.  She said that his circumcision had led to numerous infections,
and to that day he still had problems resulting from the circumcision.  I
had never heard of this kind of complication due to circumcision, all I
ever hear about are the possible complications from not circumcising -
I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has heard of or experienced
complications from circumcision.  BTW, my son is now 1 1/2yo and he has
not had any problems from not being circumcised.  I think this is a 
personal decision, and I'm not telling anyone what to do, so put your
flame throwers away.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Metatarsus Adductus questions
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	The orthapedist just diagnosed my 6 month old as having
metatarsus adductus and he now has to wear corrective shoes for
the next month or two.  Hopefully, that will fix it.  Has anyone
used these Bebax shoes and do they work?  The doctor says if it
doesn't then he'll have to have casts.
	Corey started to crawl about 3 weeks ago and likes to
pull himself up and stand up.  He also inches himself down along
people, tables, the dog, anything that is stable, etc.  Are these
shoes going to cause problems with that given the  stuff on the
bottom?  I'm afraid it will really frustrate him at best or
cause other problems at worse.  What happens if he tries to
walk on those things?  The booklet with it said it wasn't to
be used with walkers.  Will it hurt him to keep him to crawling
for another month or two?
	The orthapedist said this was probably caused by his
position in the womb before birth.  The pediatrician checked his
feet at all of his checkups and said that we'd wait and see if
he'd grow out of it.  The orthapedist said that wasn't likely 
unless we were doing exercises to help remedy it which we weren't
told about.  Do some children actually have turned in feet at
birth and grow out of it?  Should my pediatrician have said 
something earlier?  Should I be looking for a new pediatrician
because he should have known this?
	I'm probably getting worked up over something that will
correct itself, but I feel bad that I should have been doing
something earlier or known that there was something wrong.  I
had this problem as a child and so did my husband but the
literature said it isn't really hereditory and about 7% of babies
get this.
	Hopefully someone can tell me that this works and that
my baby isn't going to have walking problems for life.

Thanks


Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mills@adobe.com (Dan Mills)
Subject: Re: Birth Anouncement
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:53:42 GMT

In article <2303@shaman.wv.tek.com> Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com writes:
>
>For those of you who have been following Tracy Larrabee's story, I have happy
>news -- Tracy had a healthy baby boy early this morning!
>
>	Alec Larrabee-Mills
>	Born December 9, 1992, at 3:45 AM
>	5 pounds 13 ounces
>	34 weeks gestation
>
>Mother and baby are doing fine.

For the record, that's Alec Larrabee Mills (no hyphen).
We're all (still) doing fine.
- Dan (dad)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Barney videotapes
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:20:53 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Dec18.235330.27659@nas.nasa.gov> choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

   Just wanted to warn people, that Barney doesn't always look or sound
   the same on the videotapes as on TV.  We were watching the one about
   the beach. "A day at the beach"...or some such name, and his voice
   was pretty different and he was brownish instead of purple....and no spots.
   Lea was not fooled.

The original Barney (Day at the Beach is pre-TV series, I believe)
*does* look and sound different. Actually, I *know* they are pre-TV,
because 'The Backyard Gang' tape has Michael, Lucy and Tina on it -
who are clearly older on the TV series.

I was wondering myself what Katherine would think of this, she loved
it, but calls him 'the other Barney'.  BTW, we RENTED the tape, I
suggest renting tapes before buying as often as possible... I'm glad I
rented Thomas the Tank Engine - it did nothing at all for Katherine -
she and her brother love the singing tapes the best.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: re: cute 2yr joke
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:08:48 GMT
Reply-To: robin@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <199212142144.AA13395@tuna.wang.com> AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM  
("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
> 
>  My son (almost 3) is very into rhyming, and funny words that sound alike.
>  So here's his joke:
> 
> "What does Pooh make in his diaper?
>  Pooh poop! (wild giggling)"

This reminds me... My son Michael (now 2.5, at the time just 2):

MICHAEL: What does cow say?
ME: I don't know, what?
MICHAEL: MOO!

MICHAEL: What does backward cow say?
ME: What?
MICHAEL: OOM!

MICHAEL: get milk from cow... get chocolate milk from backward cow.

(The funny thing is, he would point at cows as we drove along the road, and  
some of them were backwards, and some of them were just 'cows'.  He didn't  
seem to distinguish them by the direction they were facing... He had some  
other method of figuring out the 'cows' from the 'backward cows'.)

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From: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Subject: Back from India with my 1 yr old
Reply-To: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:10:11 GMT

Hey We Made It Back!

After a hellish trip from Denver to Cochin, Kerala, India and 3.5 months
of enjoying the company of my in-laws, my now 13 month old Ezra is looking
forward to his fisrt memorable Christmas.  I will post all the details of the
trip...its joys, trials and tribulations!...after the holidays.  My apologies
to those who requested info on travelling with children to India, but I was
in India and thus could not respond.

Greetings to all I missed the netters!!  particularly the misc.kidders

Deantha
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Urinary Tract Infection - 3YO
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:36:55 GMT

My brother and SIL have a 3yo daughter
and her doctor recently told them that they should
have a specialist look at her. He thought she looked
like she had a urinary tract infection and that it
wasn't good for a child of her age to have that.

They have two friends w/kids who had similar problems
and their kids are fine and so now I guess
they're not as worried as they were when the doctor first
told them to go see a specialist.
What I'm asking all you net.parents out there for
are some *positive* stories on UTIs if you went through
this with your child or you know of someone who did.
Please do *not* email me or post stories that are negative.
I realize that negative things do happen but that's not
the point of this request. I'm going to put all the responses
together and give them to my brother and SIL so that they
see that it may not be a big deal.  I'm going to give it
to them at Christmas when I see them, so please if you have
a few minutes, email me your positive outcomes by then.

It might be better to email the responses on this so we
cut down on net.clutter.  I'll post a summary if there's
any interest.

Thanks.
Jackie
---
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[] Bell Communications Research / Piscataway NJ
From: finney@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Do I really have a Doogie?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:18:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.141830.18401
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



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From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:34:21 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

1.  I think many parents in the USA these days are choosing to leave their
sons uncircumcised.

2.  If your son turns out to have his heart set on circumcision, he can
always choose to have it done as an adult.  Undoing it seems more difficult...
-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: 6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Choosing the sex of your baby
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:25:51 GMT

I have an aunt who once told me this method of choosing the sex of your
baby:

If you want a girl, sleep with girl clothes under your pillow.
If you want a boy, sleep with boy clothes under your pillow.

:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)

(I guess this isn't the kind of information you're looking for, though, is
it?)

Ramona
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:52:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Blocks (was Re: SUMMARY (CHRISTMAS TOY SUGGESTIONS FOR 3 YO))
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

One gift idea I haven't seen mentioned for kids are peg boards.  Like
Legos, these never seem to go out of favor with my kids.  We have
several different kinds.  

For the smallest ones, we have the Discovery Toys pegboard.  The pegs are 
big enough that they aren't a hazard for children who still mouth their 
toys.  The pegs are good for color sorting and easy stacking.  I gave
my kids this pegboard at about 18 months.

Then, we have the peg board by Lauri.  It has thinner pegs that fit
into small holes and it requires quite a bit of manual dexterity.  My
daughter got this one at about age 3 and still plays with it at age
almost-5.  My younger daughter has enjoyed using this pegboard also 
after about age 2.

Finally, we got a combination blackboard and pegboard last year for
my daughter at age almost-4.  It comes with a hammer for hammering in
the pegs into tiny holes.  This is just becoming interesting to my
almost-3 year old.


Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: adding French
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:00:29 GMT

Daniel Kim asked about adding French words when speaking to his child...
Whether this works or not has to do with the parents' or other caregivers'
language skills.  Children will easily pick up more than one language when
spoken to regularly and fluently in those languages.  They will NOT learn more
than a few words from TV, or from someone who is not fluent.  You also need to
be consistent in using any language which is not the language the child hears
from everyone else (ie. English here).  If you want a child to speak another
language as well as understand it, you may have to insist that the child use
it in consistently delineated situations:  when talking to Dad, or at all
meals, or whatever.  Most fluent are children who either speak one language at
home and another outside the home, or who speak different languages with
different people.

My PhD is in linguistics, so this is mostly academic sources.  However, I can
vouch for a child NOT learning a second language when the parents are not
consistent enough in using it :-(.  We did try, but all the Indonesian he
knows is a few phrases we use all the time, and all the Spanish he knows is
the words to some songs.  Oh well, he'll pick it up when we spend time in Asia
next year.

Two BTWs...  It is well documented that most people can only learn a language
fluently before puberty (best before 5 for many), so if any interest is shown
Alex will have language classes early.  Also, if your household is bilingual,
don't worry if your child starts talking later than "average."  It is
perfectly normal for kids in bilingual homes to lag a full year behind other
kids in speaking, sometimes not saying much until age 3.  They understand
quite as much, and by 3-4 these kids are all caught up in 2 languages!

Too bad we're not bilingual.  In grad school we used to joke about hiring a
nanny who speaks some rare language, to "grow our own" native speaker!:-)
Somehow, I just haven't had the time to work on my languages with everything
else!
From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Bronchiolitis: Is Hospitalization Necessary?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 20:09:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

One interesting note:

Bronchiolitis caused by RSV (Respiratory Syncitial Virus) can be treated with
Ribavirin, an antiviral agent. This will lessen the chances of later problems
with asthma (At least they hope). My daughter, almost 5 years old now, had an
RSV infection at age 4 weeks. The effect of the infection was scarring in her
lungs that, thank God, has not caused anything more troublesome than some
extra coughing when she gets a cold. The Ribavirin was approved two months
after she contracted RSV. (DAMN).

Renee Roberts

BTW, Yes, she was also hospitalized for one week.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: "Private Time" with the Kids
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:34:54 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

For the past couple of weeks, I've been trying something new for us in my
household.  Although we have always spent time in the evenings with the kids
(ages 4 and 7), reading books or playing games, we always did it as a family
group.  It almost seemed like more trouble than it was worth sometimes, since
the two boys inevitably ended up arguing.

What I've been doing now is having "private time" with each boy for about a
half hour each evening.  Each one of them decides what they want to do with
mom--and they talk about what their choice is as soon as they get
home from school.  Then just the two of us go into my room alone and do
whatever it is that they have decided on for the evening.  This has been
reading books, drawing, playing games, or even just talking.  When we reach a
good stopping point, it is the next child's turn.  I've been spending about an
hour a night for the two of them.  Meanwhile, my husband takes care of the baby
while interacting with the other child.

Maybe other people have been doing this all along, but believe it or not, I
never thought of it before!  But the great thing is, it really lets me enjoy
the boys a lot more, without having them constantly bicker.  Casey gets to let
his 4-year-old imagination go while reading a book, which always bothered
Brendan a lot when we all read together.  And Brendan gets to stick to whatever
subject is at hand, without constantly being interrupted by his brother.  And
mom gets a much better chance to get to know each of the boys better--Brendan
has actually been telling me some stuff about his friends and school that I
think he just didn't have time to talk about before.

Anyway, for those of you with more than one child who haven't tried this
before, it really seems to work.  The boys and I all are enjoying it and I plan
to continue doing it for a long time.  I wish I'd been doing it all along!

Cindy Maher
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:03:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.163136.15847@hemlock.cray.com> davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>, ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>> [Circumcision] is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons.
>> And for me that is not a good enough reason to invoke such a
>> procedure on babies.
>> 
>But unless you're not going to do anything for social/vanity/religious reasons
>(like shave, cut hair (yea, I know there are medical reasons for not having
> hair dragging on the floor - but is that why you cut it), etc), we're back
>with your _opinion_ as to how strong the social/vanity/religious reasons
>are verses it's impact.


There is a difference, though.  Plastic surgery (in most cases), makeup,
high heels, shaving, though done for vanity/etc., are also chosen by the
person involved.  I shave because I choose to.  I don't cut my hair as 
most males do, again, because that is my choice.  And when you finally
get to the bottom of it, all social/vanity/religious things we do, we
do because we choose to.

Circumcision is different.  I don't know of any day or two old male child
who has chosen to be circumsized.

I'm cicumcisised, my son is not.  My reason?  It's the way the normal
human male body is built.  Why monkey around with it?

Sean.

---
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614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 13:46:06 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree
Distribution: na
 <1992Dec17.053533.1181@adobe.com>

Much to my surprise, we've never had problems with Jamie and the Christmas
tree--not at age almost one, two, or--now--three.  I thought I'd have to
secure it at the top by tying a string (or dental floss, perhaps) from the
top to a hook in the ceiling, or something like that.  But, thank goodness,
no.  I will allow him to touch--if he touches *gently*.  He treats the tree
as if it were a real, live person . . . as he treats the sun, moon, clouds,
stars, and the rain.  He says "good morning" to it, "good night" to it, and
"goodbye--see you later" when he has to go off to daycare in the morning.
Before we go to bed at night these days, the two of us sit and cuddle in
front of the tree and sing, "O Christmas Tree" a couple of times before we
say goodnight to it.

I agree with Kathie Riggle--it *is* hard to cook with a demanding toddler!
And I love to cook!!!  What really helped me was to prepare as much as
possible in the nights before the big event after Jamie has gone to bed.
By this, I mean all the cutting, chopping--and stuff that can be prepared
ahead and *frozen* until cooking time is great.  Thanksgiving went well this
year, because Dad could distract Jamie while I cooked, and I spent less time
in the kitchen.  He just occasionally had to check the turkey cooking on the
grill (and, by the way, it cooks *faster* on the grill).  The worst part of
the holiday for Jamie, by the way, was the pre-holiday CLEANING.  And, if we
wanted to spend the money (which we didn't) we could have had someone in to
do that.

This Christmas, I'll be taking advantage of Jamie's daycare situation to do
as much cooking beforehand as possible.  I figure that we have to pay Cindy
for the entire week anyway, so I'll try to get the obligatory stuff out of
the way in order to enjoy the holidays more.

Tomorrow (Friday) is my last day here before a two-week break (although I have
to be here on the 28th), so I want to wish you all and your very wonderful
children a holiday season full of happiness, peace, and love!  :-)

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids