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From: per@sparc1.mimer.se (Per Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:33:51 GMT
	<1993Jan7.093247.19789@lin.foa.se>
Organization: MIMER Software AB, Uppsala, Sweden


I agree with Erik that the skiing in Argentiere (Grand-Montets) is
more challenging. If you have the right kind of skipass, it is valid
for the transfer bus between Chamonix and Argentiere (30 minutes?).
However nightlife, shopping, etc is more fun in Chamonix.

(The skiing in Chamonix (Brevent) is good too....)

The most interesting skiing I've done in the French Alps is when I
skiied from Aiguille du Midi (3842 m) down to Chamonix. This top is
very close to Mt-Blanc. To get to Aiguille du Midi we took a bus under
the Mt Blanc tunnel to Italy (where the lifts started). (The lifts
from Chamonix was out of order at that time).  The trip down to
Chaminix is 20 km off-pist skiing on the glaciers! We spent a half day
and brought food with us (although there is a small kiosk halfway
down).

If you want to do this, you MUST do it with a guide. Every year some
adventures die in the crevasses (sp?) in the glaciers (one adventurer
died the day we did our trip). The skiing is not diffcult and quite
safe if you follow the guide. It's best to reserve a guide in advance.

The best eating I have done in France was at Albert Premier (sp?) in
Chamonix. The restaurant has one star in Guide Michelin. The gourmet
menu (5-6 dishes) with plenty to drink was delicious and well worth
the money (around 500 Francs per person).
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From: vsh@etnibsd.uucp (Steve Harris)
Subject: Re: Snow Machines... FAQ?????
Organization: Eaton Corp, Semiconductor Equipment Div., Beverly, MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.180717.9715@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>
> ...
>
>One last remark: While methods (1) and (2) do not use any chemicals, they still
>have an environmental effect since man-made snow is much more compact than
>natural snow and will melt much later in the spring. The vegetation burried by
>such snow has therefore less time to develeop over the summer.

A more important environmental effect is the impact of removing water
from mountain streams to feed the snow guns.

At least here in the northeast, there is considerable debate how much
water can be extracted without significant impact to the stream
ecosystem.  Obviously, ski area operators think much more can be
extracted than environmentalists.

-- 
... Steve Harris - Eaton Corp. - Beverly, MA - vsh%etnibsd@uunet.uu.net
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: French holidays ?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:48:35 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.191645.11259@siesoft.co.uk>, jo@siesoft.co.uk (Jo Baker) writes:
|> Can someone please tell me when it is best to go skiing in France 
|> (Val d'Isere/Meribel/Avoriaz etc etc) i.e. when the French are not
|> all on holiday too ?   
|> 

Don't blame you Jo, I wouldn't want to mix it with the queue jumping garlic
stinking Frenchies either:

So once again:

13 Feb - 28 Feb	: Zone A
20 Feb -  7 Mar : Zone B  - that includes Lyon. To Be Avoided
27 Feb - 14 Mar : Zone C  - Paris !!!

You can see that the 20 Feb - 7 Mar is peak period.  Probably the
worst deal is when the Parisians and Lyonaise are on the slopes at
the same time.


Later on:

11 Apr - 25 Apr : Zone A
17 Apr -  2 Mai : Zone B
25 Apr -  9 Mai : Zone C


The last weekend of the season is generally the 1/2 May.



Last year there was very little snow in Feb.  This year there's very little
snow now except in the high Savoie resorts.  It last snowed here on the 12/Dec.

David


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: What's a shredder?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:57:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <130090003@otter.hpl.hp.com> ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
>
>In Italy they have ski police on the slopes (I think they have the power to
>fine reckless skiers) Do they have these in the States?

Sung to the tune of the Pink Floyd song, "Another Brick in the Wall:"

We don't need no regulation,
we don't need no ski patrol.
We don't want your aggravation,
Bozos, don't you groom that bowl.

Hey! Bozos! ...Don't you groom that bowl!

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:32:09 EST
From: <TDS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject:    Gore or Whiteface?

I've got a problem. Sometime in the first half of February my wife and I will b
e in upstate New York.  We will have time to ski only one mountain.  I have nev
er planted my skis on any upstate slopes and was wondering what would be best.
 I was thinking Gore or Whiteface. Can anyone help me with my dilemna?

Tim

PS. I'm an aggressive intermediate skier, my wife is rather tame.

Thanks
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From: clv2m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles Viles)
Subject: Bindings
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:25:23 GMT

I just read the FAQ about alpine equipment and nary a word was spent discussing ski
bindings (besides the famous Tyrolia recall), so I'm posting here...

I have an old pair of Hexcel Hexcelerator II's with the old Spademan gold spring
bindings. To use the bindings with my boots, I have to attach an adapter plate to the
bottom of my boots. My problem is that the plates are *very* heavy, perhaps a half pound 
each, so I'd like to get a new pair of bindings so I can ditch the adaptor plate, and 
lighten the load on my legs.

So I have two questions
  - Is this a good idea (i.e. replacing just the bindings)?
  - What kind of bindings should I look at.

Obviously, I haven't bought equipment in a while, but my boots and skis are still in
pretty good shape. I am an advanced to expert skier and ski fairly aggressively. Weight
195, height 6'4" if it matters.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Please, no flames about the Spademans ....
CV


-- 
Charles Viles (clv2m@virginia.edu)
Department of Computer Science
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22902
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From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Snowmobiling in Yellowstone?
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:01:20 GMT

A group of eight myself included are going to Big Sky at the end of Feb.
What I'm wondering is whether or not to reserve snowmobiles for a day
in Yellowstone.

We definitely want to do this but my concern would be relating to the
weather. I presume a storm would not be the best time to tour Yellowstone
therefore right now we've not made reservations and will try to pick a day
that is most optimal (clear). 

My concern in choosing this course of action is the possibility of
snowmobiles not being available at the time we choose. We will presumably
be renting them in West Yellowstone. Other advice I've received is to go
during the week and NOT on the weekend. Any advice or help on this subject
would be greatly appreciated.

Please email your responses. Thanks in advance.
-jim


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From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: tire chains with rental cars
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:29:14 GMT


I am going up to Tahoe area this weekend for skiing (for thr first time)
and am thinking of taking a rental car ..but I will be hiring it from the
Berkeley area as opposed to the Reno area.
Now, when I phone the rental companies they
say that the cars have all-weather tires. Now I don't think these
are sufficient (for south Tahoe and I50 area) as I think I will need 
to carry chains. See my problem. So my questions are:

 - will a rental car with all-weather tires be okay?
   - if not then can I carry chains and put them on a rental
     car? (does that go against the common rental agreement?)

 - will I be better off renting a 4WD?
	- if so do I still need to carry chains.

 - would I be better off with my own car and borrowing some chains?

Basically I do not want to go up there and then have trouble with the
weather and/or the law. Any help or advice greatly appreciated!!

Thanks

Sanjiv
From: cates@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John D Cates)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:59:33 GMT
Subject: Ski Resorts in/around Truckee, Ca.?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

 I would like get a list of ski resorts in or around Truckee, like within
30 minutes drive. Thanks in advance.

John C.
  
  


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From: harsant@margana.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Happiness
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:07:21 GMT

In article <MfGc8am00WB3Qq8S52@andrew.cmu.edu> cd1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (C. Mark DelSesto) writes:
>I look like a sack of shit, but I have fun.  A lesson is like giving in to
>the popular opinion of what is the correct method of getting down the hill.

But it also shows the easiest way of getting down the hill.  For me, a
significant part of the enjoyment of skiing lies in advancing my skills
as far as possible.  Practising the "correct" technique enhances this
process,  and also allows me to ski on a wide range of slopes, and in
all snow conditions, without falling too often.  Of course, time on
skis also helps here.  Good technique means you can ski all day without
getting too tired, and most importantly, get more of that fresh powder.
It's also easier on the body :-)

I don't think lots of lessons are necessary, but the occasional lesson
or pointer can increase your learning curve remarkably.   And a couple of
lessons are essential for beginners, to start them out on the right track.

I agree with you, in that the object is to have fun, and learning is fun.
To me, accelerated learning is even better.

Have fun.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: Snowy Range, Wyoming
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:08:06 GMT

In article 5oq@cs.uiuc.edu, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> If you are looking for an alternative to skiing in Colorado, consider
> Snowy Range, Wyoming. It is 31 minutes east of Laramie, Wyoming near
> the Colorado/Wyoming boarder. The phone number is
>  1-800-GO-2-SNOW
>  1-307-745-5750
> 
> It is open Wednesday-Sunday, 9am-4pm.
> 
> - Carl
> 
> -- 
> Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
>  = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =

Better yet, why not try Grand Targhee. The last time I was there there were
8' of _virgin_ powder (they had closed for a couple of days because of a
storm). It is on the other side of the Tetons from Jackson, and gets a lot
more snow -- and NO crowds.

---

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From: dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: New Mexico Skiing
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 21:46:25 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization

In article <1993Jan5.192520.9330@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
>I plan to be in New Mexico in less than two weeks, and I want to get some
>skiing done.  Has anyone ever been to either Ski Cloudcroft or Ski Apache?
>I believe they're small resorts; certainly much smaller than Taos.  Is it
>worth taking my skis with me?  Unfortunately, I'm in southern NM, so I can't
>go to the better places up north.  Thanks...
>
>-Bob
>

I learned to ski at Ski Apache (still better known as Sierra Blanca) and
have probably spent more days there than even Taos.  I rate it as second 
only to Taos in N.M.  

It has approx. 40 runs, a bowl, a gondola, and the largest hourly lift
capacity in N.M. (1 gondola, 1 quad, 5 triples, and 2 doubles).  Long lift
lines are rare.  The snow is usually pretty good.  The area is not built
on a rock like Taos and Santa Fe are so it can have good conditions with
far less snow that these areas.  The most difficult terrain doesn't come
close to the steeps at Taos but then again what does?  Most of the black
runs are fun/challenging and they usually let some moguls "grow" on some
of them.  WARNING...  If had has snowed and/or iced the night before, 
the road can be 4WD or chain passable only!  Another bad part is that
there is usually far too many TEXANS on the slopes!!!  The snow coverage
has not been very good so far this year (currently 28'' compared to nearly
80'' at Santa Fe) but snow is expected this week.  In other words...  
I would bring my skis along..
(Where are you going to be staying?)
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From: Marcie Becker <becker@osf.org>
Subject: Anyone in SLC Utah Jan 24-29?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A777005FDA02082F@alimac37.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:45:51 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:39:33 GMT

I'll be in SLC, Utah Jan 24-29 with my father, who will be taking some
courses. Anyone else from New England going to be there who might like a
ski or apres ski buddy?
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From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Subject: North Tahoe Motel wanted
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:02:17 GMT
Distribution: ca

Has anyone got recommendations for reasonable priced accomodations in the
North Lake Tahoe or Truckee area?  The couple of motels listed in the AAA
guide want at least $80-$90 per night.  I know there are lots more motels
but where do I find out about them?

Which ones do you like?

Matt
blake@nas.nasa.gov

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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Car Rental in Utah
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:50:38 GMT

In article <C0Jq4v.MCs@boi.hp.com>, tmartin@boi.hp.com (Ted Martinez) writes:
> Out by Salt Lake International there are a ton of local rental dealers.
> You should not have a problem finding a good deal.  I travel to SLC
> just about every other weekend to ski in the winter.  Might I 
> suggest Snowbird or Alta.  The snow is the best in the west.
> 
> -ted

I must have missed this thread. You should definitely check with Avis
if you want a weekly rate. They offer an economy rate for about $88 (SLC)
under some skiing-special code, I think it was NH or so. It's in the
Ski Utah leaflet. It applies for some locations in Utah, only.

Frank
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From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ammendment 2 and skiing
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:04:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.IfGjHzj0BwyOBgn_B1
	<1id07lINNpuv@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

dbernard writes:

> Incidentally, the boycott seems a moot point, since I believe Colorado
> ski resort business is up something like 20% this year?

I'll bite. Where did you see that? Can you support this claim?

--
Ward C. Travis		Pittsburgh PA	"The fact is the sweetest dream that
travis@transarc.com	(412) 338 4388	       labor knows."  - R. Frost
From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (The Whooping Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Does anyone want a pair of size 11-11.5 ski boots?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:24:58 -0500
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu


I have a pair of Salomon SX71 ski boots for sale.
They are grey and fit size 11 to 11.5 foot.
I only used them 3 times and they are in great shape.
I would like around $100 for them.
Or feel free to make an offer!!

I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps.
These boots are black and yellow.  they are in good condition.
I would like around $100 for them also but feel
free to make an offer.

Please reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu

Thanks,

Curt
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From: mka@tko.vtt.fi (Kauppi Matti)
Subject: Skiing in Sierra Nevada
Reply-To: mka@tko.vtt.fi (Kauppi Matti)
Organization: VTT
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:58:23 GMT


Hi,

I will go to Spain in the beginning of March. I would like to visit Sierra
Nevada skiing area, but I don't know anything about it. I hope you can help me.

Is there still snow in Sierra Nevada in March? 
Is it worth going there at all? 
Can you recommend any specific places or villages? 
Should I take my three pins with me or can I rent them? 
How many lifts are there? 
How large is the skiing centre? 

Any information is very welcome, since I really don't know anything about Skiing
in Spain.

Thanks,

Matti
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mhartzel@jakarta.cba.du.edu (Mark_Hartzell)
Subject: Experiencing Utah!
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:17:04 GMT

	I had the opportunity to ski Alta on Jan. 2, 1993.  It snowed the  
night I arrived and didn't stop snowing until well after I left.  The  
Little Cottonwood Canyon road was only open to 4WD when I went up, then  
was also completely closed from 12-2 to blast for slides.  Alta was a  
completely positive experience.  The people were kind, the slopes were  
steep, amd they had feet of fresh, weightless powder.  I met up with some  
locals and they showed me some fun stuff.
If you have a chance SKI ALTA.
Also as a telemarker I was not in the minority.  There were about 50%  
skiers, and 50% telemarkers(no snowboards are allowed).
The first day skiing in Utah, was the best skiing day of my life.
Mark_Hartzell@denver.cba.du.edu
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From: snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris)
Subject: Re: Happiness
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:37:35 GMT

>When did skiing cease to be an individual sport?  I'd say it was fairly
>recently.  I kills me when I see people agonizing over how they appear,
>whether they're "graceful" or ungainly.  Who cares?  Ski the way YOU want
>to ski.  The way that feels natural.  I'll bet that's the way it used to be-
>there were no right and wrong techiniques.  Just you and the mountain.
>Playing the fine line of control, thriving on the adrenaline highs of
>your own accomplishments.  That's why I ski; I do it for myself.  Some people
>may not agree, but for these same reasons I have an aversion towards
>lessons.  I have never taken one, but I have never wanted to either.  Maybe
>I look like a sack of shit, but I have fun.  A lesson is like giving in to
>the popular opinion of what is the correct method of getting down the hill.
>I enjoy the complex task of learning, and I prefer to do it at my own, unique
>pace.


I constantly get in arguments with people on this topic.  I have lots of friends
who have this exact same attitude.  I finally got one of them to sign up for
lessons. :)

I think there are some flaws in your agument.

1)  Skiing can be a dangerous sport.  If you don't care about hurting yourself,
that is fine BUT you may hurt someone else because of your attitude, and that is
WRONG.  You say to 'play with the fine line of control, thriving on the adrenaline
highs'.  I hope you don't ski on the same mountain as I do.  I think lessons
can give you strong basic skills to fall back on so that if you decide to take
a chance you'll be more likely to be able to recover.

2) When you take a lesson, you don't have to do exactly what the instructor says.
He/She only makes suggestions (things you may not have thought of).  You can 
choose not to take his advice.  You may be surprised.  What he says may actually
help.

3)  Ski equipment is designed to work in a specific way.  By taking lessons you
learn to use your equipment the way it was designed to be used.  By not taking
lessons you waist a lot of potential because it is likely that you are not using
your equipment efficiently.

4)  Many people with your attitude also say 'skiing is expensive, I don't want
to waist the time I have on the hill in a lesson'.  BUT by taking lessons you
will ski more effeciently (be able to take more runs with out getting tired,
ski more terrain, and progress much faster).  In the long run lessons are not
a waist of time at all.  

5)  You shouldn't say lessons wouldn't allow you to have even more fun if you've 
never taken one.  How could you know?


For me happiness is carving a perfect turn!  
I'm sure I've gotten to the point where this is possible with the help good 
instructors.  I've only been skiing for two years and I'm sure I wouldn't 
even know what carving was if I hadn't taken a few lessons.  
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From: sargent@westford.ccur.com (Ken Sargent)
Subject: Re: Skiing in Massachusetts?
Followup-To: Sender
Summary: What's Snow?
Keywords: RollerBalades
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:01:05 GMT

In article <Jan.7.15.44.55.1993.7898@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hempatel@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Hemanshu Patel) writes:
>
>	Hi
>
>	I am planning to be in the Massachusetts area for the weekend
>	of 1/14-1/18 and was wondering how the skiing is in the general 
>	area. I will probably be staying somewhere in Boston but really
>	don't mind driving out to the western part of the state. Any 
>	advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanx...
>
>	Hemanshu

Unless we get another big dump between now and next week.... plan on bringing
your RollerBlades unless you want to drive a minimum of 2-3 hours to either
southern (Mt. Snow, Stratton) VT. or central (Okemo, Killington) VT. or 2 hours
to New Hampshire (Waterville Valley, Loon).

Wachusett Mountain isn't too bad for a little over an hour's drive, but it tends
to be a "baby-sitting" mountain. Tons of kids with no discipline.

I'm heading up to Wildcat tommorrow for a League Race and can only guess
that most of the mountain will be "polished Stainless Steel", certainly
the race course will be by the time my division gets to race.

Then again, I've been wrong in the past and certainly hope I'll be proven wrong
again.

Ken
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:40:23 GMT
Subject: What's a shredder?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


What's a shredder and what's the etiquette problem?

Is it a snowboarder?  If so why should they be any more or less dumb than Joe
Bloggs skier?

In Italy they have ski police on the slopes (I think they have the power to
fine reckless skiers) Do they have these in the States?

Cheers

Brenda

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