From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:55:28 GMT


In article <Oct.8.07.01.10.1992.11684@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.165840.14358@tc.fluke.COM>, nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
>> 
>Number two, in Hindu and Buddhist belief, no creature is any more or
>any less important than a human is.  

Isn't that wonderful.  Hindu and Buddhist have just degraded humankind 
to that of maggots.  This human being is is no less or no more important
to that of a this or that maggot.  In Christianity, man is a unique creation
of a personal God and is an important creation of a personal God.

>Killing any living creature has
>negative consequences.  The caste system is in part a result of a
>particular class of people coopting and redefining the tenets of a
>religion. Not too different from what has gone on in Christianity
>through the ages.

It isn't all that far of a stretch of an imagination since we are no
more or less valuable than maggots.  Get it?

>Number four (flame on 8-])
>You want to talk about silly superstitions. Man was created four
>thousand years ago? 

No, between 6000 and 50,000 years ago.  Show me a truly human skeleton
over 50000 years and show me how you dated it.

>He was created imperfect, and then punished for
>being imperfect?  

He was created good. Where is it said he was created imperfect?

>He was cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge?  

He was not cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge.  He was
cast out for being disobedient to God.  Free will and free choice
was given, to obey or not to obey God.

>When you die, all you have to do is say "Oh, pretty pretty please
>forgive me, You who are so tremendously big, I am just an
>insignificant worm, please don't toss me on the barby!!" 

Coming from a Hindu philosophy, I thought that worms were equivalent
to anything else?  Or do you not believe what you have to say?
Look, the greatest punishment goes with the greatest crime or sin.
Speeding gets speeding tickets.  Illegal parking gets parking tickets.
Rape gets jail sentence.  And murder gets possible capital punishment.
Rejecting God's remedy for sin, Jesus Christ, deserves judgement--this
is the greatest crime or sin.


>And poof, all
>is better.  But those poor schmucks who are not such toadies roast for
>eternity. Our souls have a beginning, but no end?  Don't tell me about
>silly superstitions.  

If you are created, yes!

>In the eastern theory of karma, you reap as you sow, you always have
>to pay back for anything negative you do, you always get the rewards
>for the good you do. Justice is inevitable.  

Justice from impersonal gods who you don't know, who don't tell you how
to behave, and really don't care, hence impersonality.  You live over 
and over again in an attempt to escape into the great beyond of 
impersonality, where you are, continually paying for sins you can't remember.
We are talking rape, incest, murder, and other horrors that are apar
of karma.

>Also inevitable is that
>ALL creatures will one day have moved beyond this plane into union
>with the divine.

Having suffered all along for sins of past lives.  In India, they come
back at lower forms of life, like cows.  When will they ever learn.


>Last point: You will probably never be aware of this yourself, or
>acknowledge it (that's a flame for you! :-) but proselytizing is an
>act of violence.  To force your OPINION down someone else's throat
>totally uninvited is an act of VIOLENCE.  An act of violence done in a
>good (sic) cause is still an act of violence.  Some somewhat more
>enlightened soul said that you can tell a Christian by the way that
>they act.  In this day and age, that is certainly very true about
>fundies. 

Lorenzo, you are not aware of yourself.  Simply because nothing is real,
only apart of your imagination.  Your irrational anger is driving
you away from being impersonal, from blurring into the impersonal nirvahna
of consciousness (or lack of).   Impersonality doesn't care if I post my
opinion and doesn't describe it as forcing it down someone else's throat.
Nothing is real, no evil, no good.  Its all apart of the cosmic 
(un)consciousness.  Doesn't Hinduism say that violence is unreal?

Maybe you don't believe what you state.

BTW, I am here to discuss newage and eastern thought, and yes, I will
approach it as immoral.  I am allowed to post on this group, no?

>			cheers,
>				Lorenzo


-Arnold Nordeng