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From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:58:01 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergraduate Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH, 44106, USA
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enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu     writes:
>
>Why not... wouldn't you expect the school to help out an organization  
>which YOU belonged too?  Remember it IS a loan.

	None of our University-supported/recognized student groups
are allowed to be discriminatory, however. You lose recongnition when you
start refusing membership.
	The African-American Society still has to let people of other
races join if they so desire, as long as their intentions are honorable,
etc. (Obviously the University doesn't force groups to put up with
determined troublemakers. :)) As long as any group *refuses* to let 
certain people join, then it's not a *student* group anymore. It's an
exclusive club and (IMHO) should 'exclusively' pay for itself.

>One of the pluses of going to a large school is to be able to select from  
>a diverse group scene.  The University supports in some way all school  
>recognized groups, in part with your tuition money, can you say that you  
>have done EVERYTHING that your school has to offer?  I mean maybe one  
>third of my schools students have bothered to get an account to access the  
>NeXT computers, does that mean that those who don't have accounts should  
>demand that their money not be spent on these computers?

	But can they avail themselves of those computers if they so
choose? Why, yes, they can! They simply chose not to and that was their
choice. Not the University's, not the Computer Club's. *Theirs*. That
is a lot different than being told you aren't allowed to join a club,
and yet *your* money is supporting it!


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Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: re: so sue me
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:37:43 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    

In article <1992Nov22.211518.1199@midway.uchicago.edu>  writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.145006.2462@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@nic.gac.edu    
enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu     writes:
> >Isn't it sad when you become a fugitive because of e-mail.  Mr. Frank  
has  
> >decided to notify my system administrator because I've asked him to  
give  
> >me the basis for his argument that e-mail is copyrighted.  
> 
> No, I notified your system administrator when you continued to send me
> harassing e-mail after I answered your question and sent you four e-mail
> requests to stop sending me e-mail.

Hmmm.... ok so you say I harassed you and then told my sysadmin that I  
harassed you but how can you do that without proof?  I certainly have no  
record of me sending you any e-mail whatsoever!!!
> 
> >It seems he  
> >doesn't respond to people who don't already agree that e-mail is  
> >copyrighted.  Hmmm.... well, that's a good way to gain people on your  
side  
> >Mr. Frank.
> 
> I didn't use to have this problem, but Mr. Wright's recent actions have  
made
> it necessary to refuse to send e-mail to some people.  I've talked to  
the
> counsel at his university, and hopefully we'll have some results soon.

You've talked to his counsel, oh you have so much weight to throw around  
don't you Mr. Frank.  Maybe you can even get him thrown out of school cuz  
he E-MAILED YOU SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T LIKE!!!

And I'm sorry to everyone else out there that this flame has to be posted,  
but if I sent it to Mr. Frank by e-mail my mail privs would be revoked.   
Pretty cool huh?

Chris
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: mtlatour@next12 (MATTHEW T. LATOURETTE)
Subject: Re: did anyone read my previous post
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: all
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:27:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.110346.2271@gacvx2.gac.edu>  writes:
> 
> It has to do with Censorship on doors and I'd appreciate some response.   
> Thank you
I didn't see the original post, but I do know someone who was told to  
remove a list of blonde jokes from his door. I also know someone who had a  
sign in his window that said, "Sexually active area, Protection must be  
worn at all times." He received a phone call from Public Safety  
(University Pigs) telling him to remove it. Because of the housing  
contract, however, we can't do shit about it.

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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:46:17 GMT

In <1992Nov23.084802.2227@ncsu.edu> jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE) writes:

>I just love having somebody else tell me what to think and how to think it.
>It isn't facist administrations that I worry about, it is facist individuals
>such as yourself.  As for getting rid of a Greek system, I would hate to imagine
>the lawsuits which would be filed against a public institution for what would
>amount to discrimination based on membership in a Greek Letter Organization.

Joseph,

A hypothetical question for ya... If a school agreed to ALLOW its students and
faculty members to be part of 'greek' societies, but did not recognize these
societies, would you still consider it discrimination?

I ask because I was recently incensed when my university offered grants and
loans to help out 'ailing' greek houses hurt by a deferred rush decision.

I say, let people join what they want, but don't ask the school (and my
tuition money) to support it.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK from Northwestern
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: sounds.sdsu.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:17:21 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

Why aren't there any new songs going into sounds.sdsu.edu?

--
"It takes a big man to cry.
but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
				Jack Handy


judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: KAG5@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: e-mail address West Point?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:49:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone know the e-mail address for USMA at West Point?  Please respond to
kag5@psuvm.psu.edu
Thanks in advance!
From: ace@interlaken.esd.sgi.com (Al Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Important/great GRE testing news.
Keywords: GRE
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:28:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

The current GRE exam is does not use an 'adaptive' scoring system.
It's a computer version of the written exam format.  You get 32 minutes 
instead of 30 per section.

And i don't know if i'd call $95 reasonable to take a three hour test
on a computer.


-Al
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Nominations are now open
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:52:58 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    

x> My apologies in advance to everyone who is sick of these flamewars.   
This
> will hopefully be the last flame I need to respond to in soc.college.
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637


no one said you had to respond in the first place
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
Subject: Re: Important/great GRE testing news.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:54:59 GMT

In article <Alex.78.722541823@camp.wpic.pitt.edu> Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu 
(Alex Ferguson ) writes:
>
>        I just heard about this over the weekend & I thought that some of you
>may be interested in it.  The Sylvan Learning center worked out an agreement
>with the GRE testing people and this is what resulted :
>
>                1)  Starting 10/12/92 you could schedule and take the GRE 
>                    exam any day and time on a computer at Sylvan. - as
>                    opposed to 4 predetermind times per year thru GRE.

Does this apply to GRE subject tests as well as general tests?


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From: sme3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT MATTHEW ESTRIN)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Football Rivalry
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:43:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Well, tomorrow's the day for the longest-running football rivalry in the
country: the famous Lehigh-Lafayette game.

    Typically, after the game, fans would rush the field, hoping to break off
and take home a piece of the wooden goalpost.  Then they decided to stop this
dangerous trend by using metal goalposts.  For the past few years, The Lehigh
Engineers and Lafayette Leopards simply rushed the field and destroyed each
other.
    This year, both Lehigh University and Lafayette College have told us that
any inappropriate behavior would result in immediate suspension.  Also, the
game was moved from its 1:00pm time to 10:45am in an attempt to put a stop to
people guzzling beer before the game (obvious to anyone at Lehigh, it's not
working).
    It's always nice to know that the administration is trying to put an end
to tradition.
    Is Lehigh-Lafayette the only rivalry which the administration is trying to
stop, or do other schools have the same threats?  We won't know how serious
they are until tomorrow.  I just wish the best of luck to those who try to
keep the tradition going.  If anyone gets suspended, I know there'll be BIG
protests on campus.
    ObLehighComment: Lehigh's gonna kick some Lafayette butt!

                            - Scott

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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: schuyler@acf9.nyu.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler)
Subject: Re: False fire alarms: Are they a problem for you?
Organization: New York University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:44:58 GMT

At least you've got fire alarms.  I'm living in the East Village of Manhattan,
and we've had fire trucks pull up next door, and the landlord STILL hasn't
installed a smoke detector in here, even after promissing to several times.

-Gabe
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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Nominations are now open
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:10:35 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Well, since apparently the nomnations are open for Disgusting Post of the
Month, I'll theorw this one in, gleaned from alt.peeves. I'm sure you
have all met Ted Frank, and heard his claims of: "I'd like to believe
you, really I would, 'cause I'm such an open minded guy."

Well, I suppose this shows us how open minded he really is.

Oh and Ted, turnabout is fairplay. You've crossposted my acrticles without 
permission, so please don't whine about my doing so. You dug your own grave,
now lie in it. Tell me, which face are you going to use to reply to this one?
The More Politically Correct Than Thou one probably lost most of its 
credibility. 

To Ms. Garvey: I in no way mean to slight you. My point here is to show 
soc.college  what a morally bankrupt little weasel Ted really is.

X-NEWS: dal1 alt.peeves: 24791Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0 10/3/90 VAX/VMS V5.5; site ac.dal.ca
com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!uchinews!ellis!thf2
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mikey has Dain Bramage
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:40:47 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov17.120034.8944@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>With this in mind, here are The Top Ten Things Ted Could Want:

**Note. Ted and I are in the middle of a flame war. That's where ths article 
came from.**

That was the dullest flame I've ever seen.  And the sad thing about
it wasn't so much its illiteracy, or its obsession with my lack of
willingness to gang rape drunk women, 

[rest deleted]


>> But I have an idea for you, Mikey.  Why don't you recruit the most
>> homesick, mommy-bound, and geekiest losers on campus, and tell them
>> you're starting a club where if they give you money and run through
>> the sewers, you'll be their friend.  But don't let any womenfolk join.
>
>Thanks Ted, but the University of Chicago has apparently snapped them all up
>for its law school.

-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Well, ladies and gentlemen of soc.college, there you have it. Proof that Ted
is a lying two faced little weasel, plain and simple. This is what his opinion
of fraternities really is. I think a safe bet is that Ted was angry that 
fraternities started up at Brandeis, and he decided to use the rape thing as a 
method of firing people up against them. You know Ted, rape has to be one of 
the most dosgusting things around, but you're even worse than a rapist. You
use a crime like rape to further your own ends.

I'd be laughing if my stomach weren't roiling
Mike 
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Revenge is sweet not because the person expects it;  
it is sweet because the person does not know when it is coming.  

							-- Mark Nesdoly
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From:  nur@darya.msk.su (Nur N. Nazmetdinov)
Subject: HELP! Please, help me to found student from Bercli (see letter, please).
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:00:28 GMT
Reply-To: nur@darya.msk.su
Organization: Scientific-Ingeneering Company Darya
Keywords: Rafi
Summary: HELP to found


     HELP!

     Who help me, to found my friend Rafi Aftandelian?
     He don`t write me, and I don`t now Why is it?

     Here, I type informaition about him.

     Rafi Aftandelian 8880312,  Vila La Golla, DR, La Golla,
     CA, 92037, USA, tel: (619) 587-93-22.
     Bercli.

     With great hopes.
                       Nur.

     E-mail: nur@darya.msk.su
     Moscow, 7-8(095) 947-33-15,
                      947-22-44.

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall)
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.001845.11979@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.150004.36@newton.hartwick.edu> buccim@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
>>Well, Well.  (etc.)
>
>I'm curious why it is every pro-frat argument trots out the same tired old
>storyline ("you're just not in a frat", "we do a lot of philanthropy",
>"we've been around since 1776", "everybody joins a frat", "we never haze",
>"anybody who doesn't like frats watches too much Animal House") often
>with the exact same wording.  It's just plain eerie.  I've seen almost
>this exact same post in campus newspapers on two different coasts, and
>this is the third or fourth time I've seen it on the net.  Is it part
>of the standard brainwas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpledging process?


Gee ... might this be a good indication that these 'pro-frat' arguments
are indeed true?  hmm ... interesting question, isn't it Ted?

>It's a remarkable effort at misdirection and mischaracterization. Yeah,
>fraternities do a lot of good.  But they also do a lot of bad.  

Damn .. sounds like the government too.  Haven't heard you bitch once
about that.  Maybe this could be a new thread, eh?

>And the
>bad they do can be easily alleviated by going co-ed and eliminating the
>pledging process without at all interfering with the good that fraternities
>do.


If you have been paying attention, you'd have heard that a number of
fraternities are co-ed and a number of fraternities have abolished
pledging ... but I'm sure that once this is fully implemented by all
that you'll find another of your 'flaws'.

Bottom line:  You weren't (probably) invited into a fraternity or 
(probably) booted from one and carry a grudge.  It's written on the wall.
I feel sorry for your inability to live and let live.

ACtually, if I remember right .... you started one of these debates
a year or two ago about some bad experience with someone in your family
and a fraternity (might have been mine).  So ... I guess you're gonna
just keep dragging this outta the closet until you go to your grave.
Get on with your life, man.



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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: stop the frat discussion!
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:15:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov16.221532.19301
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Nov13.161150.8720@iscsvax.uni.edu> biesanz2024@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>        1) Nobody cares

Somebody does, look at all the postings.

>        2) Get a clue!  and get a life.

True. We should all post inflamatory gibberish like you instead.

>        3) start your own damn newsgroup if you just want to 
>           talk about frats.  Sheez!

That was tried and shouted down.

-G
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: well..
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:42:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1ecmm1INN1h5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright) writes:
>
>Tedd Frank is a weenie.
>
>
>There is no two ways about it.

You are, most certainly, a credit to your campus and the Greek system
in general.  I assume you are Greek?  

Now, now.  Go run along and iron your Greek-letter sweatshirts.
I suggest a low heat setting, so you don't melt the letters.
Have fun!

cpk
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: so sue me
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:48:36 GMT

In <1992Nov22.145006.2462@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie) writes:

>Isn't it sad when you become a fugitive because of e-mail.  Mr. Frank has  
>decided to notify my system administrator because I've asked him to give  
>me the basis for his argument that e-mail is copyrighted.  It seems he  
>doesn't respond to people who don't already agree that e-mail is  
>copyrighted.  Hmmm.... well, that's a good way to gain people on your side  
>Mr. Frank.

I, too, am interested in hearing about the legal basis for Ted's claims. 
Though I'm afraid to question a law student :-), it does seem to me that
posting private e-mail is merely rude, not necessarily illegal.

If anyone figures this one out, kindly e-mail me privately so we can avoid
having this subject clutter the board any further.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK from Northwestern
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:44:44 GMT

gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.001845.11979@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.150004.36@newton.hartwick.edu> buccim@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
>>>Well, Well.  (etc.)
>>
>>I'm curious why it is every pro-frat argument trots out the same tired old
>>storyline ("you're just not in a frat", "we do a lot of philanthropy",
>>"we've been around since 1776", "everybody joins a frat", "we never haze",
>>"anybody who doesn't like frats watches too much Animal House") often
>>with the exact same wording.  It's just plain eerie.  I've seen almost
>>this exact same post in campus newspapers on two different coasts, and
>>this is the third or fourth time I've seen it on the net.  Is it part
>>of the standard brainwas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpledging process?


>Gee ... might this be a good indication that these 'pro-frat' arguments
>are indeed true?  hmm ... interesting question, isn't it Ted?
True, yes relevent no. When Phi Beta Kappa was founded and whether or
not frats have a tendency to rape are 100% unrelated. Plus Phi Beta
Kappa is CoEd.

>>And the
>>bad they do can be easily alleviated by going co-ed and eliminating the
>>pledging process without at all interfering with the good that fraternities
>>do.

>If you have been paying attention, you'd have heard that a number of
>fraternities are co-ed and a number of fraternities have abolished
>pledging ... but I'm sure that once this is fully implemented by all
>that you'll find another of your 'flaws'.

Well that is a BIG improvement. you might become respecable yet.

>Bottom line:  You weren't (probably) invited into a fraternity or 
>(probably) booted from one and carry a grudge.  It's written on the wall.
>I feel sorry for your inability to live and let live.
Well I never had any desire to be part of a frat, When I got here I
did A quick check of the frats and found I disliked them. 

--Zach
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From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Frats (underage drinking)
Followup-To: soc.college
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:26:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Nov4.010919.14436@cs.ucla.edu>, jrobbins@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
(Jason Robbins) wrote:
> 
> I hate to rub in all this anti-frat material, especially when so many
> of the people who post to defend the system are from those rare good
> fraternities. But I just had to.
> 
> So here is a simple question for those of you who are frat members:
>   Would your frat be able to go about its normal business and recruit
> new members if you were to _not_ serve alcohol to underage persons?
> 

Could and do.  Rush is dry and has been for several years now.  The last
time we had an alcohol based rush even was the spring of 1988 and we're
still here.  I'm not even going to try to say that we don't drink,
or that underage people in the house don't drink.  But, alcohol is far
from the social focus of the house.

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