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From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Grades
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:23:07
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:30:23 GMT

In article <C1JDAn.JJ1@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:

=>Just curious: how many students in PhD programs really care much
=>about their class grades?  How many have advisors and/or departments
=>that care?

My advisor cared.  He told me to not worry about how good they were,
and to spend less time on classwork.  He was right.  Grades don't
matter one bit, as long as you get at least a B+ (the department
minimum GPA for PhD students).  Since that's pretty easy to do in a
grad class, you don't need to care much to get by.  You can then
devote your time to more important things like research and life.

ethan
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From: jimbo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Godfather of Soul)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: NewsRUs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:28:19 GMT

In article <C1Iv2q.26H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ejohnson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Liz Johnson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.163459.6859@adobe.com> cyoder@adobe.com (Conrad Yoder) writes:
>>
>>I went to MIT as an undergrad and got a miserable score on my CS subject test
>>(65 %ile).   I had a B+ average there, and I am now at Stanford in the MSCS
>>program, doing just as well if not better. I was offered a TA position at
>...
>
>I agree with this opinion. I also did poorly on the CS subject test
>and didn't do so hot (78 %ile) on the quantitative test. My verbal and
>analytical scores were quite high, however. So far (2 1/2 years into
>the program), I have straight A's in my grad work, have passed the
>departmental screening exam, and am already well into a research
>project for my dissertation work.  I get very impatient with all of
>this emphasis on GRE scores and hope that schools (and fellowship
>committees) will begin to look more at the overall prospect instead of
>their performance on a half-day test.

Let me echo this response.  I did OK on the GRE (1950) and am now in the
PhD program in chemistry at Stanford.  I've known several people who have
received an NSF in chemistry.  The NSF relies _heavily_ on GRE scores when
awarding fellowships, i.e. I've known no one who got one that wasn't above
95 %ile on all _four_ exams.  Yet most of the folks who have NSFs that I know
are medicore scientists (some are excellent, most are not).  It has been my
empirical experience that, while GRE scores accurately reflect the amount
of knowledge a person has, it does not predict the quality of science the
individual will do.

I also wanted to ecourage people not to be so academically snotty.  I recall
one poster who said that if anyone was paying attention in the 8th grade they
should be able to do well on the quantitative part.  Consider that one can use
GRE scores to qualify for admission to Mensa, an organization that only admits
individuals with an IQ in the uppoer 2% of the general population.  The minimum
score is 1250 verbal+quantitative.  So as you throw around your 2400s consider
yourselves fortunate and don't inadvertently insult those who didn't do so well.
They are most likely still extremely intelligent people.

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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Foreign Students are better prepared for GRE (!!?) Was: Gre scores
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:50:51 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Just one minor point on this subject.  Folks, there is no 'foreign'
students in the US, only international students.
	

Jack Teh
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:58:33 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Any college offers D.S.P. in the summer?

I needed to know which college would offer digital siganl processing
course in the summer?. midwest, west...?? -Thanx.
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From: msengup@eos.ncsu.edu (MAITREYA  SENGUPTA)
Subject: Re: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:53:49 GMT

In article <1jq98eINN3jk@shelley.u.washington.edu>, scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick) writes:
|> In article <93022.170618U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan22.042910.25978@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
|> >christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) says:
|> >>
|> >>As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
|> >>how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
|> >>or accept :) us.
|> >>
|> >Carl,
|> >
|> >Several years back I applied to U of Michigan, U of Chicago, Northwestern,
|> >and U of Illinois-Chicago.  All but the last informed me of their
|> >decision by April 15; Northwestern and U of C let me know before April 1.
|> > 
|> >    		...< several lines deleted >...
|> >
|> >--Ray
|> >
|> 
|> IF one did not apply for any type of financial assistance, do the
|> rejection/acception letters come any sooner? [This question is to
|> everyone, of course, and not just the original poster to whom I'm
|> replying].
|> 

	This varies from school to school. Many schools will announce ad-
missions before financial aid decisions are taken. In these cases, you will 
get your admission letter early, while an applicant for financial aid will
have to wait longer to find out about the aid decision. However, in some 
schools, the financial assistance decisions are taken at the same time as 
the admission decisions. These are typically the schools which always try to
give some form of financial aid to all or almost all graduate students. In
these schools, all applicants are more likely to receive their acceptance 
letters at the same time, regardless of whether they applied for financial
assistance of just admission.

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From: smersch@eng.clemson.edu (Mr. Pump)
Subject: WANTED: survey responses
Reply-To: smersch@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:53:09 GMT

If there are any interested parties, I'm doing research on the 
design of a toothpaste dispenser and I'm trying to get
some consumer opinions:

1.	What brand of toothpaste do you currently use?
2.	What do you like about the dispenser?
3.	What do you dislike?
4.	Do you like the way that it looks (geometry, height,
	diameter, aesthetics)?
5.	Do you like the way that it feels (gripability, texture)?
6.	Do you like the operation of the tube or pump (is it 
	messy, is it easy to use)?
7.	Have you considered its environmental significance
	(recyclability, packaging waste)?
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:22:16 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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w0318@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
: W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU

Well, as someone else pointed out, it really depends on your major.
Since they gave a 'humanities' viewpoint, I'll give the Computer Science
and Engineering viewpoint.  It doesn't sound good.  From my own experience
and that of my friends, if you're not in the 95% or above on the Q and the A
you might as well forget the top 20 schools.  And your Verbal needs to be 
probably at least 80% as well.  I guess these fields are more competitive 
as compared with the humanities.  If you're looking at top schools (CMU, MIT,
Stanford) you'd better have close to perfect (2360 - 2400) GRE scores.
I think that due to the large number of foreign students applying to US
grad schools in the areas of CS and Engineering, our scores have to be
higher (more competition).  I know that some Indian students study for 
the GRE for two years, while the avg. American student buys an example
test book a week before the test. :)

If I remember, Ohio State, Illinois-Urbana/Champaign, U Mass' avg CS grad 
student/successful applicant had a 2100 total, which breaks down to about
800 Q, 700 A, 600 V which is about the proportion I think they expect.

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
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Subject: UPenn. and UT Austin Part time.
From: agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Alwyn Goodloe)
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:50:28 +1000

Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:35:08 GMT

   I was recently considering relocating from the N. Va. area to other
areas of the country. Two  of the areas which I was considering was
Austin Texas and Phil. Pa. A particular attraction of each area was
the University of Texas and Penn. Each catalogue mentions that they
allow  part time students but do they in reality. No employee these days
 and especially not mine allows there folks to just take off and go to
school in mid day, most including mine will accomidate late afternoon
classes. Does anybody know how mmany part time students U Penn and
UT Austin have? (I would suspect that Austin is far more accomidating 
than Penn but thats just a guess.) What conditions are put on them,
some schools require that even MS students go full time for at least
two semesters for example. It may be possible for me to attend full time
in several years but  would like to obtain  the MSc. part time  and go
full time for the Ph.D.  Since my interests are in formal methods and
domain thory my options are limited as to where I can study and UT and
Penn are two of the six or seven options and the only ones with any
possibility of part time study.

Al Goodloe
agoodloe@gmuvax2.gmu.edu




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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:25:04 EST

In article <1993Jan22.140906.6731@desire.wright.edu> w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:
>I got my GRE scores back.
>
>I don't know how to figure out whether I did 'good' or not, or mediocre or
>what...
>
>Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
>
>W0318@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU

Well, W0318 (I wish you had given me your name, that's so impersonal)
it depends on your field of expertise. Because you apply not to schools
like you did in college but to departments for graduate study, only 1-2
of the GRE scores are important, depending on your intended field of 
study. 
If you are interested in the humanities your verbal score is crucial.
IF, you are interested in the pure or applied sciences your math 
scores will be of more import. 

I can give you a hint. If you are thinking of graduate school, your
major score (the one applying best to your field, verbal or math)
should be at least (barebones) 600, and should be above 680 if you 
want to be picky. My colleague on the graduate committee (can't give out   
my department) informed me that so far the applicants for next year had 
an average verbal GRE of 640. 

I had a 680 V, 570 M, 490 A. I am in a Humanities program. See?

One last pointer. GRE scores are used as a weeder system when going through
dozens (or even hundreds) of applications. The only purpose they serve
is to narrow the field. Your REAL application will be determined on
grades, statement, letters of recommendation, writing/research sample,
and *possibly* and other experience you have or the school you came
from.

Hope this helped. Good Luck!!

Chris



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From: ejohnson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Liz Johnson)
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:56:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.163459.6859@adobe.com> cyoder@adobe.com (Conrad Yoder) writes:
>
>I went to MIT as an undergrad and got a miserable score on my CS subject test
>(65 %ile).   I had a B+ average there, and I am now at Stanford in the MSCS
>program, doing just as well if not better. I was offered a TA position at
...

I agree with this opinion. I also did poorly on the CS subject test
and didn't do so hot (78 %ile) on the quantitative test. My verbal and
analytical scores were quite high, however. So far (2 1/2 years into
the program), I have straight A's in my grad work, have passed the
departmental screening exam, and am already well into a research
project for my dissertation work.  I get very impatient with all of
this emphasis on GRE scores and hope that schools (and fellowship
committees) will begin to look more at the overall prospect instead of
their performance on a half-day test.

Liz Johnson
From: owen-christopher@yale.edu (Christopher Owen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:05:51 -0500
Organization: Yale Center for International and Area Studies
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In article <1993Jan25.220503.25309@Virginia.EDU> mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (Matthew Jerome Rush) writes:
>How important is your analytical score?  I did pretty average
>on the first two, but got a 690 on what I like to call the
>"Crossword Puzzle Book" section.  Did that really help me get
>into a good English program?

This really depends.  Some programs openly say that they don't consider the
analytical score.  Most psychology programs for instance claim that they
don't even look at it (unlikely but that is what they say).  My guess is that
a good analytical score will of course help in english programs, but not all
that much.

Chris

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From: vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia)
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Subject: Survey of international students
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:13:13 GMT
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This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.

I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
before or after you joined the school.

Thanks for your help.

Vinita
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From: jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi (Juha Heikkila)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: GRE
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:44:20 GMT
Organization: Dept. of General Linguistics, University of Helsinki

Does anyone have any idea of how the scores - particularly the
verbal - of non-native speakers of English are evaluated?


   Juha Heikkila            jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: GRE
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:46:34 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Greg Shannon (shannon@beldar.cs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: For almost all international students admission must be the
: same as providing aid.  Therefore, the competition is very keen.
: We look at all folders and all materials, but the fact is
: that maybe one typical* international student with less than
: 1900 total GRE will be seriously considered for aid
: (here at Indiana).  Most entering international students
: here have atleast 2100 total GREs.

Wow, a poster with some authority instead of the usual cast of 
complainers (myself included).  It must be fun watching us
wallow in self-pity. :)

But seriously, it sounds like you're supporting the original posters
hypothesis about GRE scores playing a more important role for international
students.  

: For us and most other US departments, domestic students
: are treated differently.  Why?  We typically know about 

So what exactly does 'differently' mean?  This is the $64,000
question all domestic applicants are dying to know!

: I get the impression that you think some/many departments
: do not take graduate applications seriously.
: What makes you think this?  
: I don't want to defend other departments, but I am curious.

Well, just from talking to friends and other classmates, when
we get rejected it would be nice to get a 'reason' in the
letter.  I know this is probably ridiculous from your standpoint
(numerous applications, etc.), but we figure that for $20 - $100
to apply to a school, it would be useful to get some sort of
feedback besides the usual form letter.  Plus, this would help
minimize administrative screw ups, since if you told someone
their score had to be above 2000, and in fact it was, they get
a second chance.  Whereas, with the usual form letter, there is
no recourse.  Plus, there may be time to retake the GRE or find
a better reference.

No offense, but it just seems to many (speaking for my circle of friends) 
that grad admissions involves grabbing the top GRE scores, then checking
out other things in the applications.  Right or wrong, this is a lot
of applicants impressions.  I'm sure there's more to it than that,
but with nothing but a form letter for our troubles, the imagination runs
wild.  And since the GRE doesn't measure our imagination, it needs 
something to do. :)

It would be nice if it were possible for you to further describe the 
mysteries of the grad app/selection process, and allay or increase
or fears.

Well, this has been very therapeutic, but I've probably ruined my
chances at Indiana!

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Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
From: gt4824a@prism.gatech.EDU (Pavel Beker)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Suggestions for schools strong in telecom?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:21:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hello..!

I'm trying to locate some Masters' degree programs in CS that have a strong
emphasis / reputation / etc. in telecom (i.e. BNR, NT, AT&T, etc.).  I'm
currently an undergrad at Georgia Tech, which itself seems to have a fairly
comprehensive telecom department, but I'm very interested in what else is
"out there."  Any ideas?

I was hoping to start this fall.  Location is a small concern;  cost is a 
fairly significant concern.

In advance, thanks very much!!
Paul
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From: jshouman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joan-Marie Shouman)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: UPenn. and UT Austin Part time.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:42:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1993Jan26.173441.8647@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>
>UT Austin doesn't offer any night classes at all.  There may be some
>late afternoon classes, but I wouldn't count on much availability.

Well, Paul, I guess you mean _any_ less literally than it sounds. I have
completed my undergraduate degree (liberal arts) and am over half way through
my graduate degree (library science) and have had plenty of late afternoon
AND evening classes -- in fact, with this degree, that's about all I take
due to my schedule (and I go full time every semester). Now granted the 
selection is not as good; still, i just thumbed through a copy of the spring
course schedule for various departments and found a reasonable amount of
classes offered. Plus, at least in the areas in which i have studied, they
always offer more selection (in general, more classes) in the fall.

Al, if you know exactly what department you're interested in, email me and
I tell you what's offered this semester.



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From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: What to shoot for?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:15:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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In article <1993Jan26.035421.21731@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:
<John M. Wu (johnwu@netcom.com) wrote:
<: (I'm starting to want to be the big fish in a lesser pond rather than
<: a tadpole in an excellent pond.)
<: #include <flameprotect.h>
<
<Well, if you want to get an MS and that's it there's plenty of pretty
<good schools I'm sure you'd have no trouble getting into.  I think the
<'top' schools are best for those that are getting the Ph.D. due to
<research orientation, professors, etc.  If you keep up the level you
<got on the SAT on the GRE you should have no problem.  Personally, I 
<went up a little on the GRE compared to my SAT scores.
<
<I've never seen data, but I'd be curious if people score in the same
<range on the GRE as they did on the SAT.  They have these tests down
<to a science (ETS), so it's probably pretty close.  Don't expect a
<98% on math, a perfect math GRE score (800) is a 96%!
<
<As far as money for your MS, it's hard to come by unless you're a Ph.D.
<student.  But if you got high scores and grades, etc., a good school
<(that doesn't have a 'top' reputation) may give you $$$ just because
<of your scores and grades.  You may have to work for it though. ;)
<
<Oh yeah, I almost forgot, most of the 'top' schools don't admit MS
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<students anyway.  They want students that go for the Ph.D. only.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't agree with that.  Some of my friends got accepted to Stanford, and
U.Illinois.  Myself, I got accepted to Purdue University.  The good thing
about these schools is that they will fly you out there to check out the
department.  
<
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