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From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: Light Sight 800
    <1992Apr4.183555.9358@cs.rose-hulman.edu> <a=njkb_.albertw@netcom.com> 
    <1992Apr7.023934.4491@panix.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:40:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:

|Laser projection systems and hand-held light pointers are capable of causing
|retina damage.

NOT!!!

Not in any real world situation anyway. You'd have to mount the beam
on a tripod, clamp your head in a vise, and stare at the beam. Your
retinas take far far more damage glancing at the sun than a laser
sight that happens to cross your pupils. The average contact would
have so little energy as to not even make an afterimage.

Ever point one of those things? They dance all over the place,
just like the aim point does when you use a scope.

And of course they have warnings all over them about eye damage. You
can get eye damage from staring continuously into just about any
laser. These are too low powered to do it without strange situations
like the above, but they want to foist off any liability to the user.

By the way, I have yet to see an optical point sight that I like.
These things provide the illusion of a dot on the target. The optics
are usually such that you have to be looking right down the barrel to
see the dot. It'd be easy to miss in trying to take a quick shot. I'd
rather have a laser sight.

Sean

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sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
From: derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Illustrators
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Damage Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.160954.22876@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
alejanrd@victoria.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro) writes:
> Ok.  For all you Illustrator owners out there.
> What options are absolutely required (I heard the barrell)?

I really like the TASO bottom line kit.  Gives the gun a really nice feel.  I  
also prefer the other grip (not the Lonestar).  I use the stock 9" barrel, but  
I've got a "secret weapon" muzzle break hanging off the end.  I'm in the  
process of deciding whether it's worth the trouble to patent it.

Make sure you get a good lubricant.  I use Rem Oil (or something like that).
  
> Where does one find said options?

Bottom line - check TASO's add in APG.  I stole the other grip off of my  
RebLine gun.  You can get Rem Oil at Wal Mart.

> And What is the list price for said options?

Bottom line (I paid ~$50, but that was way to much.  It's come down since then)
Rem Oil -> like $1 for an ounce.  It also comes in a 4 ounce spray bottle.

Derek
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: alejanrd@victoria.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro)
Subject: Illustrators
Keywords: Barrells
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:09:54 GMT

Ok.  For all you Illustrator owners out there.

What options are absolutely required (I heard the barrell)?

Where does one find said options?

And What is the list price for said options?

Ray
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Guns in the Staging Area
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:25:09 GMT

btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie) writes:
> [...]  All it takes is one drunken
> idiot to fire his gun in the staging area where people aren't wearing
> their goggles.

Speaking of which...

We played a night game at a field and after one round we were all
inside a tent talking about the last round.  One of the players set
down his semi-auto and the trigger caught on his duffle bag.  It fired
3 times before he got control of the gun.  The guy who got hit in the
chest wasn't wearing goggles and almost killed the bozo, literally.

The really scary part was after we bawled him out for bringing a loaded
gun into the staging area about 6 other guys sheepishly unloaded their
guns!

Rob.
--
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From: tt1m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Troy Franklin Tinsman)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: rifled barrels and the like
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:54:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Udsv7Yy00WCX0Ct107
	<1992Apr08.214809.18319@sco.COM>
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


For those of you wondering about rifled barrels and Smart Parts Performance:   

As far as I understand the workings of the Smart Parts barrel, most of
the barrel has a slightly wider bore than .68 caliber giving a small
pocket of air around the ball which acts with the holes to create spin. 
 

Now all of y'all can be as skeptical as you like about exactly how these
barrels work, BUT if you see them perform will make you a believer that
they DO WORK!   A friend of mine has a 14 and-a-half inch version of the
new Smart Parts barrels on his Promaster.  It shoots plain AWESOME.  I
watched repeatedly hit doorknobs at a considerable distance (definitely
over fifty meters).  

I myself have one of the older barrels. It still shoots better than any
of the brass ones I've seen. 

 I've seen these barrels shoot, and they shoot great.   

                                                       Anyway, that's my
thoughts for the night, 
                                                                        
                                              FRANK

Post  Script to Bob Burns -->  
<I saw a guy one time who had a 64" brass barrel on his PMI-I.  It was
<_really_
<accurate and had _really_ long range.  he had a hard time trying to find a
<64" squeegee though.  about 14" is the right length though...

<--Bob Burns - captain team "Jamaican Bob and the Sled Team"


Are you serious about a 64 inch barrel?   That's like FIVE and-a-Half
Feet!  How the hell did he carry that thing?
From: mcgovern@CS.ColoState.EDU (Mike McGovern)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Theme Games
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:11:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr9.112235.54328@cc.usu.edu> sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY) writes:
>Has anbody ever played in a theme game?  I was reading about on in May's
>APG.  Can anybody tell me where any are going to be soon? 
>
I have not played in one, but I have heard of one that I will probably play in.
It will take place on the 4th of July and will have a civil war theme.  It will
be a _24 hour_ game!  I talked to the guy on the phone for quite a while, and he
told me all about it.  It sounds great.  I have never played at this field 
before, but I saw a big article about it in one of the PB mags (don't know whichone, but it was January when I saw it).  I don't have an address, but if anyone
is really interested here is the phone number.  Later.
Mike


Hot Pursuit
(719) 687-3117
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: alejanrd@victoria.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: rifled barrels and the like
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:42:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.164234.9921
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

This is all second hand but second hand from an airsmith who has been in business
for over 8 years and has some very good players that swear by his equipment.

The maximum length a barrel should be (assuming a max of 310 ft/sec velocity) is
14 inches.  At this length, the compressed has expanded fully and you are not
getting anymore power out of a longer barrel.  The longer barrells jsut disturb
the air more, making balls spin more, meaning you really need a muzzle break.

The airsmith has even gone as far as taking his Pirhana LB (with a standard
10.5" bbl) and his 6" barrel extension, and cutting of that extra 1.5" inches.

That is how it was explained to me and I think I got it right.  If I didn't (and
there is that chance) I apologize.

What I do know is that this airsmith plays with his 14" Pihrana LB and can out
long ball most semi's and has very good accuracy.

As for rifled barrels, I have no idea.  I have no experience with them and don't
know anybody that does.  I too, am looking forward to someone posting
information on the subject.

Ray Alejandro
From: derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Rifling
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:37:54 GMT
Reply-To: dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Damage Inc.

In article <qGl+32#@engin.umich.edu> pheonix@caen.engin.umich.edu (Douglas John  
Seman) writes:
> Just one quick question to the person who mentioned cleaning a 
> barrel with alchohol.  How do you do it?
>    We are talking on or near the field here, so how do you manage
> to do it without using whole bottles of it on each barrel (esp.
> rifled)?  If it is feasible, I would like to know how, it is a
> good idea for drying and residue reasons.

You know those swabs that come on the other end of some squeegees?  Dip that in  
the alcohol and run it through the barrel.  After you squeegee, that is...

Derek
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: cyang@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher Yang)
Subject: Re: Smoking Guns
Keywords: Gas Clouds
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:41:36 GMT

In <Apr.12.22.51.01.1992.24954@remus.rutgers.edu> btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie) writes:



>	I'm not sure what causes it, but it has happened a lot to me
>also, (I have an Illustrator).  Makes very difficult aiming.  When I
>played this weekend, one guy was using a smart-parts barrel (hi
>bruce!), the rifled barrel (with all the holes) and that seemed to
>dissipate the smoke more (I guess due to more holes).  But as to why
>it happens, I'd appreciate any comments on that also.

I always thought that the smoke was in the family as "snow" coming
out of the barrel; that they were both caused by liquid air
coming out of the barrel and expanding into a real nice cloud.
One guy I know had real problems with his Ranger with this, and
he eventually sold it, but I wonder if he could have got better
results by just replacing some of the internals...

Chris

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: alejanrd@ian.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro)
Subject: Re: Light Sight 800
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:37:54 GMT

Laser point sights, to the best of my knowledge, do not cause permanent retinal
damage.  One recieves more damage from sun reflections off watch faces.

The problem I have with laser point sights is that 1) they cost WAY to much for a
game (yes the guns cost alot but when an accessory costs as much as a gun it is
too expensive).  2) If you have ever seen an actual point sight used it is very
embarrassing.  In the movies you always see the little red spot glued to the head
of the bad guy.  In real life (and I have used one on a a 9mm pistol at 35') that
little red dot jumps around all over the place, and I thought I was a pretty good
shot.  If you think you are really good with a gun, and have nerves of steel,
pick up a gun with a laser sight, and see how much you actually jump.
3)  I have yet to find any gun that is accurate enough for a point sight.  I mean
with such variables as temperature, humidity, age of paint, condition of paint,
and make of paint, it just doesn't pay.

Ray Alejandro
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: broadhrj@leela.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Robert J. Broadhead)
Subject: Apex Elite Sniper gun
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:59:15 GMT

  I am getting togtether with a few friends to start up a team (10+ people) and
we are all shopping for guns.  We have decided to try to put two snipers in the
group and we are thinking about getting an apex elite but no one has ever fired
one.  Is their anyone out there who owns one or knows much about them, especially
if you can try to compare it to the accuracy and range of some of the better
semi-auto's.(for example a semi with a 14" barrel and a sight).  The main
question is, "What makes this gun a sniper rifle as opposed to a non-sniper
rifle?"
From: wampner@cs.ucf.edu (Eric Wampner)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Tippmann new semi-auto
Keywords: Its a Tippmann
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:36:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr15.043644.4332
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <1992Apr14.045117.14636@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
>Tippmann guns are known for their unconditional factory warranties to fix
>any defect with no cost to the owner. But I haven't heard much about the
>accuracy or shootability of their guns on ASP.  The 68 Specials and the SL-68 II
>are some of the most widely marketed p-ball guns around yet surprisingly little 
>is heard about them on ASP.

Well, I don't know much about the tippman guns, they seem okay, I own
a PMI-III, and the only catagory it fails to win is the WEIGHT one,
which you should already know by looking. They seem to break balls
a little more often, use some more and, and have about as much 
maintenance associated with them. ( I like the construction of
my PMI-III a LOT better, even if it isn't "quick strip" )

My sum experience of Tippman -> I think the SLs suck. The SMG60
is really cool if not completely well-rounded. The special 
is acceptable. 

My playing experience with A special.......

I was behind a fence, shooting at a guy ( the field owner) who was
behind his fence. My Air died (well, if you don't fill it, it happens!)
on my PMI-III, it would run off, so I kept sending pretty weak balls
his way to keep him down (he was occupied elsewhere as well). Eventualy
he stopped worrying about me, about that time a newbie with a rented
special came up beside me, I said "let me borrow that for a sec",
and blew a quick 5 rounds at the (now standing up) guy, missed,
but he didn't come up for quite a while after that. After all my
team was killed, I surrendered, I have seen people try to get other
to surrender even after their gun quits, and I have seen people take
balls at 2 feet. I don't want to be a hero.

eric wampner
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: 2nd Deringer ad, priced to sell...
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:04:43 GMT

Well, no one was interested in my gun when I offered it at $200,
so I have decided to lower the price to $150.
I WANT A SEMI THAT BAD.
Yes, I paid over $300 for my USI Deringer Mach II/Wintec Thunderbolt,
heres what it comes with...
- Double Rail Pump
- 13" Micro-Honed Removable Barrel
- Brass Field Strip Screws
- Locking Auto-Trigger
- Trigger Safety
- Down the Barrel Velocity Adjustment ( adjustment rod included )
- Adjustable M-16 Grip with Storage Handle
- Sight Rail
The gun has the following added options:
- USI 140+ Round Viewloader
- Clearview Elbow
- Neoprene Ammo Box Cover
- Muzzle Break
- 7oz Constant Air Tank
- Neoprene Cover for the Constant Air Tank
- 8 Count Spring Set
- #2 Power Tube ( For Indoor Play )
- Armson Lifetime Cup Seal ( Replacing the plastic all-weather cup seal )
- Barrel Plug

In my first add I mentioned that the gun was $200, now slashed to $150
Gotta have a SEMI for a tournament on the 26th of April,
Also I mentioned the CA tank is full, well I can't send it by air full so,
if you don't live in the MASS area then I will have to empty it, sorry.
But, I will still throw in the 50 count Proball, so you can test i
I bought the gun brand new in January and I have only used it 3 times,
so if you are interested send e-mail to: lombardi@cmpsci.suffolk.edu
Kevin Lombardi
P.S. Has anyone ever heard of the word PLAGIARISM,
     I only wondered about it when I saw Post #1792, (No names mentioned)
     damn it looks a lot like my first add for my 
     Deringer.
From: toblackstock@apollo
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: rifled barrels and the like
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: toblackstock@apollo
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC

With all the talk about sights, how do ya'll feel about barrel length 
and these new rifled barrels?  I know the nine-inch my Illustrator 
came with is far from accurate, and I would love to get something a 
bit better.  I've played with one of the first rifled barrels that
came out, and exprienced some improvement.  Are the new rifled barrels
as accurate as everyone claims?  What length is most accurate, and
is there such a thing as "overkill"?

Thanks, 

Towner Blackstock
From: toblackstock@apollo
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: alcohol
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: toblackstock@apollo
Organization: Davidson College, Davidson, NC

Either use the swab, as Derek suggested, or place one finger on the 
lower end, pour in a bit (maybe a small capful), and swish it back 
and forth in the barrel.  This works well even with rifled barrels, 
because the leakage cleans out the holes well.

Towner Blackstock
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Light Sight 800
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 19:18:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr04.145617.23988@bluemoon.rn.com> grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:
>
> Both the AimPoint and Pro-Point do suffer from nasty parallax problems.
>They tend to be adjusted for about 50 feet, closer in they aren't

Hmm..actually, I've never had the time to adjust the AimPoint for
longer ranges.  I guess I'll have to arrive at the field earlier. ^_^;
Still, for the last few outings, I really didn't use the sight as much
as I thought I would.  So, I gave it to my brother... ^_^

-- 
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:23:17 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: rifled barrels and the like

answering the queries for bob burns....

I also saw the 64" barrel.  It had a bipod at the front end and his buddy
helped him get it on and off the field.  The particular field it was used on
had a tall hill with a view onto the open plain that was the majority of the
playing area.  he would park up there and rack kills.  I believe he got
like 100-150 shots off his CA tank.  The barrel was removeable, but it was
a chore with all the securing modifications....he said if he played a field
where the barrel had a chance he put it on, if not, he went with a barrel
of about 16-20".  I have never seen the gun since, and that is fine by me.

Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinare  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA  #5666
From: btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: AutoCocker
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:47:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Apr6.153515.28619@newstand.syr.edu>, aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...) writes:

I've seen one this weekend and spoke with the owner and got to play
with it a bit.
> 	  - How accurate it is
		His seemed pretty accurate, but he had a composite
barrel on it, so I'm not sure about the stock barrel.
	
>           - Does it have any fundamental problems in its semi-action
		None that I could see.
> 	  - Does it have an external velocity adjuster, or do you have
> 	    to deal with springs?
		It has an external velocity adjuster, which you remove
spacers in the back of the gun thats connected on some plug thingee.
>           - Does it work at least OK in the cold?
		According to him, since it is piston driven, it only
takes 150psi (as opposed to 300psi on other semis) to cock the bolt
back, therefore he says in cold weather (like 30 degrees) he has no
problem with it.  (course if it's 30 degrees out, I'm inside)
> 	  - Gas efficiency
	He gets about 300-350 shots out of a 7 oz.
>	  - Weight 
	Lighter then a Special, heavier then an illustrator.
> 	  - Ergonomics.. Does it feel all right to hold?
	His bottle came out right in front of the trigger area and it
was a 20oz.  It felt like shooting a real heavy pistol.  There are
bottom line kits for it though (similar to the PMI III)
> 	  - Anything else you can comment on.

	His gun was accurate and he didn't have a single ball break.
Course almost every game he was taken out by an Illustrator ;)


Bernie
btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu
	Illustrator Owner and proud of it!!!!!
From: btkuo@remus.rutgers.edu (    Bernie)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Illustrators
Keywords: Barrells
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:58:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



IMHO the only really thing that is a major importance with the
Illustrator is the barrel.  I also feel that the Armson barrel is the
best one for it.  Internally rifled and has a built in muzzle break.

Oh for others, in regard to (henryc @ panix.com) I know they make it
for the PMI-III and the .68 Special.  

I added a scope to mine (mirage sight) and a shoulder strap.  Those
are actually just to make the gun look cool, though the scope does
help me a lot. ( Yes, I snipe with my Illustrator, believe that)  

Other things that I always bring is WD-40 to keep the gun lubed.
Other than that, I can't thing of anything really that is essential.
A less efficient valve pin I didn't see the need for in cold weather
because when I did play, I just turned up my velocity.  And after I
did play in freezing temperatures, I vowed that would be the last time
I would ;-)

Bernie

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: stumpf@cs.washington.edu (Todd Stumpf)
Subject: Semi-Nebie needs new gun
Summary: gun wanted, need advice on what to buy
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: alt.sport.paintball
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:25:22 GMT

   I read this news group daily, and have watched the discussion of the
Illustrator's rings with interest.  I am planning on purchasing my first
(and hopefully last) paintgun, and am looking for advice.
 
   Currently, I have been using an gun I have "borrowed" from a friend.  I
use the term "borrowed" loosly, I have been borrowing it for the last two
years.  In any event, I am not new to the game, but am new to the idea of
purchasing a new gun.
 
   Previously I never had enough spare cash to think about purchasing a
gun of my own.  Buying paint and air was about as good as I could get.
Now, however, money is (basically) no object.  
 
   WHAT GUN SHOULD I BUY?  AND WHY?
 
    Constant air? Of course, stupid question.
    Semi-auto?  Why or why-not?
    Which make and model?
    I personally have trouble hitting a person thirty-yards away with
      my current gun, so are these "pop-can and 50 yard" rifled barrels
      for real?
 
   Also, who should I buy it from?  There are a few gun/paintgun stores
    around seattle, and I am sure they can get anything I want, but would
    mail-order be better?
 
   


   I know these are some of the most general questions you have ever read,
    but I want to get as much advice as possible before I cough up 500 bucks
    for a gun I am not going to be happy with.
 
    -- Todd Stumpf
      
    (reply e-mail if you wish, but as I said, I read ASP daily)