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From: chittend@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert R. Chittenden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Sixth Season
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:45:19 GMT
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    Of the first three episodes of this new season, I've been reading
alot of negative comments.  Perhaps the talky episodes of the fifth
season were disappointment, but this season episode has been quite
different.  "Time's Arrow, part II" and "Realm of Fear" have two of 
the most original shows in the series and I thought that they were 
very well done.  If the first two episodes are any indication of the
season to come, it appears TNG is moving away from talky episodes into
doing more science fiction based episodes which was missed from last
season.  
    I've already seen negative comments about the upcoming episode 
"Relics" feauturing James Doohan.  The old saying "don't judge a 
book by its cover" applies here.

    For all those people who think TNG is going downhill, I leave 
you with this thought...They must be doing something right or you
would not keep watching.

    
                 
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Sulu's phaser trivia (was: Re: The Enemy Within
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 19:09:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.184738.22499@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.105028.1752@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>>In article 13263@bnlux1.bnl.gov, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>>> relatively simple like "What was Kirk's middle name".  However, last
>>> night's question was "in the episode The Enemy Within, what do we see
>>> Sulu's phaser do that we never see a phaser do at any other time?"  I
>>> have to admit that it completely stumped me.  Let's see if anyone else
>>> out there knows the answer.  Post or e-mail guesses and I'll tell you if
>>> you're right (this is assuming that you have nothing better to do with
>>> your time...).
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>>Glad someone reads my posts!
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>>The answer is Sulu used a phaser to heat up a rock to act as a source of heat.
>>
>>OK Gary, what have I won :-)
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>Sorry, that's not the answer.  McCoy also does this in "A Private Little
>War".  Wanna try again?

It runs out of power?

>So far, of all the e-mail responses I've recieved, only one gentleman
>had answered correctly.  Everyone else has also guessed "heating the
>rocks", so don't feel bad.
>
>Last night's triv question:  In Charlie X, who supplies the voice of the
>ship's galley captain?  This one also completely stumped me.  E-mail
>welcome, or post to the group for guesses.  [you may be surprised at the
>answer to this one.]

James Doohan?


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From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re: Aye, Captain! "Relics" SPOILERS
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:20:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.163041.12522@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
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> It was fun to see the difference between Scotty and Geordi. Scotty was a
> seat-of-the-pants engineer, while Geordi is definitely by the book. Sort
> of reminds of what it was like being systems programmer 20 years ago, vs.
> today. Back then we'd throw out a new device driver and see what 
> happened, or cause a stopcode to force a reboot. Nowadays it's strictly
> by the book...
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Being a former-US Navy nuclear propulsion officer, I thoroughly enjoyed the
interaction of the "old" engineer (Scotty) and the "young buck" (Geordi).  It
reminded me of some of the things that went on when I was an engineer on 
USS Mississippi (CGN-40) and USS Enterprise(CVN-65).  That was a classic line
from Scotty about "you didn't REALLY tell the Captain how long it would take?
How can you make him think your a miracle worker!"  Plus with the exchange
on bypassing the regs on tank pressure really brought out the old engineer
in me again.

My only problem with the show that has not been posted yet was why was someone
"out of the loop" for 75 years left utterly alone without an escort to help 
him adjust (a perfect job for Counselor Troi).  They could have done all of 
the same stuff (going to Ten-forward and the holodeck), still have the effect
of Scotty feeling badly out of place, and yet show that the current crew were
worried about his fitting in rather than the "just a bother" attitude 
displayed by the non-engineers.  BTW, the conflict with Geordi was perfect but
the afterward part could have been built on differently in a way like I 
suggested above (i.e. Geordi calls Troi right after Scotty leaves and says 
"help").  It would also worked better if Whoopi's character was the one at 
the bar beside/or along with Data.

That's my $0.02 worth.  Overall, I will say that this one is a keeper and
could have been a better two parter than Time Arrow I and II.

Don Palmrose






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From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:36:48 GMT
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>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 04:14:00 GMT, v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) said:

> In article <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com>, davidm@consilium.com (David
> S. Masterson) writes...

>>2. Lt. Cmdr Crusher's promotion to Cmdr. after Starfleet tour.

> As far as I know, she was a Cmdr. before then.  But I could be mistaken.
> (I asked for her rank once, and this observation was mentioned MANY times
> by different people)

I think I saw Lt. Cmdr. pips on her collar at Far Point station.
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From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Marcus TaiLore speaks: STV
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:55 GMT
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

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From: tpenning@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas R Pennington)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:59:34 GMT

To make this case even more confusing, Barkley called him chief (I think) in 
the Realm of Fear.  Also, in that episode, Barkley gives him an order.

-thomas
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: New trek novels (3 of them!)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:35:38 EST

In article <1992Oct11.001750.4221@pro-freedom.cts.com>
pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
 
>Three new trek books??? Oh great, well, there goes my earnings....Actually,
>I have not yet seen any of these books....Maybe I will need to check again
>and see (they were not there yesterday..)
 
>Thanks for the info...
 
Since they've been out for a week now (as well as Anne Rice's latest,
and <non-spoiler> -- it's not what you expect), I'd ask the
bookstore people for the manager, ask them why they're a week behind,
then let them know you'll go elsewhere and encourage others to do
the same.  If this doesn't bother them, then either you don't
buy enough books there to have leverage, or they're not worth
purchasing from anyways.  *Good* bookstores, even those in a
chain, have to stay current...besides, a week is too long to
wait to start reading things...!
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG actors outside of TNG (was Re: Sybok....Vulcan Defense Attorney...)
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:27:23 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Oct11.225239.22412@msi.com>
bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
 
>
>David Pipgras (pip@pro-freedom.cts.com) wrote:
>: Just for those who are interested, and since no one else seems to have
>: posted this, I was watching "Law and Order" (great show!) and the defense
>: attorney was real familiar, for some unknown reason.....
>:
>: I kept picturing the actor as a Romulan....romulan...old romulan....and it
>: finally clicked! It was none other than Lawrance Luckenbill (sp?) who
>: played Spock's half-brother Sybok in Trek V.....
>
>Has anyone ever seen other TNG characters in other projects?
>
>Beverly Crusher AND Q in the movie "Taking Care of Business"
>Data (and Lore) in the TV Series "Night Court" several times.
>Captain Picard in "Dune" and some movie as a french restaurant manager.
>Tasha in the movie "Pet Semetary" and others.
>
>Kern (Worf's brother) in an episode of the TV show "Mac Gyver"
>
>Alexander in the TV show "Family Ties"
>
>The second officer of the Klingon ship Riker served as 1st officer:
>  - The movie "Alien Nation" as Cecil Porter's son.  He was the one who was
>    in the bar. "Didn't they teach you anything about us in Cop school..."
>  - The movie "Cobra" as the phsycho badguy with the knife.
>  - A couple other movies requiring a big brute with an ugly face.
>
>I only am including people who appeared in TNG episodes more than once
>except the last one.  I included him because he was a little difficult to
>place and been around in some popular movies.
>
>Where has Worf appeared?
>
>--
>
   This topic has been around since I've been reading the net from about
a month back, AT LEAST.  Perhaps someone has a full listing which they
can post.  However, I just found another one, which I think, very few
Trekkers other than myself, would admit knowing.
   The actor who plays Worf's brother (I think his name is Tony Todd)
is one of the main characters in the remake of "The Night of the
Living Dead."
 
                         Junsok Yang
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:12:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165339.26177@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <Bw2uH2.7xz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>>johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>>:)	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>>:)take this newsgroup BACK! Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
>>:)purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
>>:)top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
>>:)all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.
>>
>>You never saw the episode with Troi's mom and Alexander, did you?  :)
>
>	I'm getting FLAMED! I guess I deserve it after a post like that.
>
>	Yes, I have seen Cost of Living. Yes, it was awful. And yes, some
>network shows aren't so bad (although Murphy Brown is WAY overrated). Just
>try an episode of "Family Matters" on for size and tell me if you still
>disagree.
>
>	Atsushi tears apart episodes for the sake of doing it. I think
>the problem is that the writers assume the audience has some intelligence.
>Thus, we get 200-message long flame threads over why didn't the writers
>show us how they got their clothes at the start of TAII. Then Atsushi starts
>flaming: "This show sucks because they didn't tell us how they got their
>clothes." I mean, come on. *Maybe* they thought we were smart enough to figure
>it out on our own, and it wasn't crucial to the dramatic thread of the
>story.
>
>	I'm sorry, but flames over subjects like that are *dumb*. If you
>think Mark Twain got too much screen time, fine. Thought the time-travel
>logic was unoriginal, fine. But I tire of the "THIS SHOW SUCKS"
>mentality we get over and over. The show does not suck. Nor is it perfect.
>Let's just not whine about it, OK?
>
>	TNG takes risks. I've said it before...I'd rather
>see TNG takes risks and fail than to fall back on formula. And it still
>is among the best shows on TV. Only a truly great show can fail miserably
>with "Cost of Living" one week and come right back with "Cause and Effect"
>the next.
>
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Opinion wholeheartedly seconded!!
Anyonce care to third it


Steve/
Iain
From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:41:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct14.144113.4623
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

well, while we're at it listing the all-time worst trek novels - let's not
forget "dreadnought!" easily the worst novel i have ever read (trek or
other). anyone want to comment on how bad (or good - NOT!)
"battlestations!" was?

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From: THALL@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Tom Hall)
Subject: Re: Why they killed off Tasha Yar
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.151243.4643@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
cvantwrp@news.weeg.uiowa.

> > I read (don't remember where) that Denise Crosby was
> > disappointed on the lack of popularity of the show and
> > wanted out of her contract to pursue furthering her
> > career elsewhere--so they killed her off.  Shortly
> > thereafter, the show really hit high on the ratings,
> > and judging by her visits back to the show, I think she
> > may regret her hasty decision.

eriks+@cs.cmu.edu (Erik Seligman) writes:

> You mean she wasn't eliminated just because she was
> such a horrible actress? She was my least favorite
> character on the show (besides Wesley, of course). I
> would guess that her leaving was a major reason for the
> show's later success...

Personally, I liked her better in "Pet Sematary"... :-)

Tom
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Troi's Rank (was Re: "Yes, Ma'am."...)
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:53:20 GMT

Thomas G. Kiefer (thogek@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
: I don't know if this was important or not, but Ensign W&A addressing Troi
: as "Ma'am" struck me as weird.  I thought all people -- male and female
: -- in the times of Star Trek were addressed uniformly as "Sir".  Or is
: that just for officers in Star Fleet?  (And would Troi be considered an
: "officer" on this necessarily, being, as someone pointed out that she
: should be, outside the chain of command?)

There was an episode that pegs Counselor Troi as a Lt. Commander.  In
this episode every one on the Enterprise loses thier memory, as does the
ship's computers.  One of the few things recoverable from the computer
was the bridge crew roster.  The roster lists Troi as a Lt. Commander.
Then again, Riker was listed as second officer, so the alien who was
trying to use the Enterprise to attack his people's enemies, was first
officer.  So it might have been a mistake.  Then again she may have
actual rank.  Anyone want to clarify this?
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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:35:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
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In article <1992Oct8.192548.3494@jpmorgan.com>, springer_jerry@jpmorgan.com (Jerry Springer - FIMS Sys Adm) writes...
>Has anybody noted the facial similarities between Ross
>Perot and a Ferengui?
> 
Yes.  It was brought up a while back.


> 
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From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:20:49 GMT

In article <67073@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
|> I don't know if "personal conflict" would be such a bad thing for STTNG.
|> I've always thought that one of the show's problems is that everyone gets
|> along with each other so well.  As opposed to, say, McCoy vs. Spock.
|> Sure it became cliched after a while...but at least it was SOMEthing.
|> Upping the level of conflict between the characters might go a long way
|> towards giving them some depth.

A funny thing about this lack of personal conflict - the instructions
to writers that I have (4 page script submissions guidelines, 52 page
writer's guide) say nothing about it. The writer's guide even
suggests vaguely (to me) that a little of it might be a good thing, 
when it says:
"the people must be believable...The crew of the Enterprise are
intelligent, witty, thoughtful, compassionate, caring human beings --
but they have human faults and weaknesses too -- although not as
many or as severe as in our time."

I wrote a script that had some amount of conflict among the crew.
While there were probably other reasons for its rejection (like
the lack of a tacked-on danger subplot :-) recent discussion
here suggests there is a hard and fast rule against such conflict.
It is frustrating to hear that when the lengthy instructions
don't say it.
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:04:51 GMT

In article <Bw4u8H.2D0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>On a side note, why is it whenever I start posting after a long lapse, 
>everyone takes my jokes too seriously?  :)

	WHAT?!?  What in the hell is THAT smart-assed remark supposed to
mean?!?!?  You useless, moronic, loser...  *ahem*  Sorry... ;-)  (How could
anyone with a partial brain at least think you were serious with all the
smileys you use? ;-))

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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: OBrien's Rank as "Chief"
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:49:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-071092133931
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <1992Oct7.001237.1814@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
homanme@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wrote:
(stuff deleted throughout)

> I am familiar with the military so I'll tell you what I know.

So am I.  Too bad the writers don't seem to be familiar with there own rank
structure.

> Miles O'Brien is referred to as chief.  There can only be one chief 
> on a ship, just like a naval vessel.  It is the highest ranking 
> enlisted rank possible (CPO).  

Except on ST:TNG.  On the latest episode, Man Of The People, Picard refers
to the woman at the transporter controls as "Chief."  There's probably no
use in trying to explain it because I'd guess the writers don't have a
*specific* customs and courtesy protocol in mind when they have characters
address one another. 

> If anything, there are patterns to follow in present day navy.
> try going by that.

Good advice.  Maybe the writers will figure that out.

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Realm Of Fear"
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:14:34 GMT

In article <rawdon.718673432@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>In <1992Oct9.181330.1305@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>>1. how did Barcley know the worms were people? What evidence was there for
>>this?
>
>He didn't know; he guessed.  This was made clear in the episode, I thought.
>People were missing from the ship, the experiment that went awry was performed
>in the transporter room... it added up, mostly, and he filled in the missing
>digits...
>
	I thought that he worms were a life form of their own, because they 
caused the body of the engineer to "start up"
Then I may be wronge.
qshawn
From: bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Man of the People"
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:51:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Oct12.165140.6881
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Timothy W. Lynch (tlynch@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
> WARNING:  The following post contains spoilers regarding this week's TNG 
> offering, "Man of the People".  Those not wishing to be exposed to spoiler 
> elements prematurely are advised to keep clear.
> 
> Ecch.

I'll second (at least) that....

One scene I did like (well, at least I didn't dislike it as much as some
of the others) was the "councilor from Hell" scene ("Perhaps he's tired
of listening to you complain.  I know I am.").  'Course my wife, who got
her Bachelors in Psychology thought that was something *she* might
say....  :-)

--Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
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