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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:43:55 GMT

In article <15APR199212542742@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris (SVER)) writes:
>half of the Lions 'Silver Stretch' offense and replace the rest.  I
>assume the new stuff will be a lot like Washington's offense and will
>thus require tight ends.  I'm kinda surprised the Lions signed only one
>with all the good ones available on Plan B.  I look for them to take
>a TE early in the draft.
>
>However, if Johnson is as bad a blocker as people say, I wonder about
>picking him up, since making better use of Sanders has got to be Henning's
>first priority and a major reason to use a TE or two.

I think that this has gotten a little out of hand.  Just because JJ was not
as good a blocker as some of the other Redskins TE's does not mean that
he is terrible at it.  The Redskins almost *never* threw to TE's last year.
They were used almost exclusively for blocking.  JJ is not a huge guy.  He is
a little on the light side as TE's go.  He can't block as well as the big
blocking TE's that the Skins have on their roster.  His blocking was improving
toward the end of the 1990 season, but their 1991 offense just didn't include
many TE pass routes.

For a team that needs an all-round TE, the question is, "can he block better
than a WR or a FB?"  Well, he's the size of a heavy fullback, and can probably
block about as well.  I think he will make an excellent addition to the
Detroit offense, if they use him right.

Drew
From: TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu (Thomas A. Gryn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Draft thoughts
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:57:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Washington: Hate to admit it, but this team keeps doing everything right. #6
and #28 picks. San Diego should stop dealing with this team; first the Lachey
deal, and now the Moten trade. Granted, it's post-deal criticism, but it looks
like Beathard severely overestimated how well the Chargers would do last
season. Moten is no #6 pick. Redskins get a blue-chip corner as a result,
probably Buckley.

LA Raiders: Marinovich failed another drug test. Might have to look at a QB
again in the draft, or trade for Andre Ware.

Dallas: Look for the Cowboys to draft K Carlos Huerta (Miami)...I doubt that
Delusio is the starter for this year. Also may pick up PSU LB Mark D'onofrio
in the second round, to help make up for the loss of Del Rio and Brownlow.

Colts: Look for them to draft a RB on round 2...maybe Amp Lee. Bentley and
Dickerson aren't in their plans, and I don't think the RB they drafted out of
Notre Dame in 1990 (Johnson) is projected as the answer. Emtman and Howard
are certainly starts, assuming Irsay can sign both. But the Colts certainly
aren't going to the Super Bowl anytime soon.

49ers: If they're smart (really smart :) ), they will
          1) trade QB Steve Young for a veteran or high draft pick
          2) If they can get a good deal, also trade QB Steve Bono
          3) draft QB Casey Weldon on the second round.
I know, this leaves only Montana and Weldon as legit QBs, but I would take thatt
chance. Bono's value is inflated because of last year's preformance, and Young
has only a few more good years left (IMHO). Weldon is a Montana clone, and
that would certainly help the 49ers marketing strategies. With a number of
teams hungry for a QB (Pittsburgh, Denver soon, maybe the Raiders, maybe the
Giants, the Cardinals if Rosenbach isn't recovering well, etc.), I'm sure
there's good deals out there to be had for experienced QBs.

Eagles: Draft will probably be a RB on the second round (Siran Stacy?), the
best available OL on the third round, and a RB on the fourth round.

Sleepers: WR Terry Smith, FB Sam Gash, PSU. Smith is small but quick, would
be a terrific mid-round pickup for a run-and-shoot team. Gash is a good runner
and blocker; tough guy. Other personal favorites of mine are QB Ty Detmer,
BYU, and TE Mark Chmura, BC. Low ratings but both can play.

All IMHO, of course.

Tom Gryn..............................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
"The Terror of MegaGodzilla" - Tom's Movie of the Month
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?  Ditto!
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:28:16 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr8.161453.8237@acsu.buffalo.edu>, apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman) writes:
> I have seen more than a few predictions that the Jets are going to win
> the AFC East. What are you people smoking? The Jets will be lucky to finish
> third, behind Buffalo and Miami. Browning Nagle is no Jim Kelly, and Jeff
> Lageman does not make up for the rest of the defense. Plus, Miami  surely
> won't be as bad as everyone thinks. Just watch. The Jets will go 8-8 at best.
> 
> Tom Steegmann
> Bills in 93, Cause I'm not getting any younger!


I agree.  The Jets have 0 impact players outside of Lageman.  They don't know
who's going to be their starting runner (I think Thomas/Baxter/Hector all
split time last year right?)  McNeil is over the hill and cannot do it anymore.
No proven QB (unless proven bad in O'Brien counts) Moore and Toon make an
adequate but nothing special recievers Corps, I don't know about TE but I think
they are weak there too, OL is good but not sensational. DL is the same with
Lageman a possible exception, LB corps is nothing to brag about, and secondary
has holes.  Where is this division winning team?  Granted they have made
tremendous strides since they got Coslet but there is not enough power
talent to launch a title campaign yet and the Jets management admitted it
after the loss to Houston.  They need leaders.  While I think second is
a reasonable goal first seems a stretch and second will not be easy if
Miami gets their front defensive 7 help they are looking for plus the
return of Offerdahl.  I see 7-9 or 8-8 maybe 9-7 as the Jets level unless
some off-season  miracle happens.
Brian Mulholland
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins.
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16049@bunny.GTE.COM>, chf0@gte.com writes...
>In article <1992Apr13.152257.31771@watson.ibm.com>, rlehman@thunder.watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman) writes:
>|> [Stuff about Shula being washed up deleted] 
>|> Miami has been nothing more than a mediocre team for quite some
>|> time time.
> 
>The Dolphins went 12-4 two years ago during the regular season and
>13-5 overall.  They were the only AFC East team to beat the Bills and
>3 of their 4 regular season losses that year were to playoff teams.
>They were much more than "mediocre".
> 
>Last year they were not as good and didn't deserve to go to the
>playoffs - but given that they had incessant personnel problems, the
>season was not a total disaster.  They had injury after injury, losing
>both starting inside linebackers for most of the season, trading
>McKyer, going through 5 starting nose tackles (mostly because of
>injuries) and Sammie Smith couldn't hold on to the ball in crucial
>situations.  Naturally, with all of these things stacked against them,
>they were not as good as 1990.
> 
>None of these things (except perhaps the McKyer trade) were at all a
>reflection on Shula's coaching ability.  He is still one of the best
>in the league at developing a game plan and a team. Personally,
>whether the Dolphins go to the Super Bowl this year or not, there is
>no coach anywhere that I'd rather see coach the Dolphins than Don
>Shula.
> 
>|> Why would anyone think this season would be any different?
> 
>Lots of reasons:
> 
>1. Mark Higgs
    not to mention possibly Humphrey via Sammie Smith trade
>2. A healthy Offerdahl and Grimsley.
>3. Two first round draft picks
    One of which will most likely be LB Coryatt
>4. New Defensive line coach.
    MEAN JOE GREEN
>5. DON SHULA
    Still recognized as the BEST coach in the NFL

    I still don't think people realize what problems this team had with 
    starters getting injured EVERY week. This team lost something like 9
    defensive players and never had all five starting offensive linemen
    in the game due to injuries to such players as Keith Sims and all pro
    ot Webb. Look for this team to hurt people in the upcoming season.
    If Humphery is picked up and/or they pick up someone like Coryatt
    they should be able to go 13-3 for the season. Oh and about their 
    defense which people have been putting down. When everyone was healthy
    in the 1990-91 season it was the 7th ranked defense in the NFL that
    helped get them to the second round of the playoffs and PAST the
    Kansas City Chiefs. 

 Eric- a Dolfan trapped in Buffalo   
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |  "Life's a Bitch and then we all        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   get fucked"                           * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr14.194027.18010
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.170759.2859@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

(Question about the DT Washington may trying to be moving up in the
draft for deleted.)

>I believe it is Sean Gilbert, but am not sure...the name sticks out for some
>reason...
>I would be upset if they did because DT is not their most pressing need.
>If they move up that far than we need a MLB and I hear Quentin Coryatt is
>big time material!  I alos heard they were considering Howard for him
>to learn from the Vets in Clark and Monk before they need someone to rescue
>an aging WR corps...planning ahead i like it!

Personally, I think they need a defensive end more than they need a
middle linebacker.....If they're moving up in the draft or even if
they stay where they are, I wish they'd go for a DE.  However, the
Washington Post had an extensive article on Casserly before the Super
Bowl.  He thinks its a mistake to always draft for a certain position
-- especially when the prospects are not absolutely outstanding -- he
prefers to draft the best all-around, most intelligent prospect still
available and trade for position, if necessary.

schalene
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Player cut to 40?
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:35:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr15.193927.21053@aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes...

>According to TSN, Tom benson of the Saints leads a proposal to cut the
>player rosters to 40.  He has 17 of the 20 (?) votes that he needs to
>make this cut.  This would thoroughly affect the game as we know it,
>removing exciting young players and special teamers from the rosters.

Don't panic!  I'll tell you what's going to happen.  The players will 
win their free agency suit and the NFL, which has the most cohesive 
ownership in sports (I mean they tend to cooperate with each other), 
will institute a salary cap.

The result will be very good.  Each team will have the same number of 
dollars to play with and whoever uses those dollars most wisely will 
have the best team.  Also, the wierd salary structure that currently 
holds in the NFL in which rookies and Plan-B players often make more 
than more talented veterans will disappear.

Yes, it'll be hard to build a dynasty.  But if a team is smart enough 
to get it's players signed to long term contracts *before* they're 
superstars it'll still be possible.

With a salary cap there's no reason for the owners to limit roster 
size.  In fact, you night see something that would currently be 
unthinkable - the players lobbying for cuts in roster size.  More 
likely though is that the players will pressure the owners to increase 
the size of the pie.  But in the face of decreasing TV revenue 
(assuming that trend continues) they'll have a hard time making a 
good case and will be forced to be reasonable.

Even if there's no salary cap, free agency won't be disasterous for 
the NFL.  They already share TV revenue.  No owner is going to pour 
bzillions of his own dollars into player salaries for long.  The 
problem would be that a crummy team with bad attendance would have less 
money to spend and therefore have a hard time becomming a good team.  
But you wouldn't get the problems some people see in MLB - that is 
teams from big TV markets having a huge advantage over teams from 
smaller markets.

Note: A couple of months ago I posted a message similar to yours.  
Some wise soul posted a reply with most of the ideas outlined above.  
I'd like to give credit where it's due to the person who was smart 
enough to figure this out but I don't know who it was.  (At least I 
was smart enough to say "Hey, you're right!"  :-) )

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:16:39 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1992Apr6.153220.1279@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
[original stuff deleted - we know what it was!]
>>>
>>>This is why we saved their butts twice twice in this century?
>> 
>> [put flame guard on]
>> 
>> Woah! Time Out here... OK his/her post is provocative, but that is NO reason
>> to make such an arrogant and bigotted statement.  
>> 
>> [take flame guard off]
>
>I see that the response to my response has generated a response so, 
>although I had not intended to respond - I don't mind being called 
>arrogant and bigotted - I guess I should (respond to the response that 
>is).  :-)
huh? is this a response to a repsonse of a response to a response's 
response! :-)

>
>First, I really don't think (even if it was serious) that my response 
>could be called bigotted.  Arrogant maybe.  But bigotted - I don't 
>think so.
I agree, got carried away...
In future I will wait a couple of days before replying when I have
been pissed off! ;)

>
>Secondly, although there were no smileys in the message, clearly it's 
>not meant to be taken seriously.  My signature, which you chose not to 
>reproduce, said 'John "At Least Our Guys Were Long Pants" Heim'.  
>
Sometimes, I take it all too seriously, wibble wibble.

>Third, as Brian Muhullond (sp?) pointed out in his response to your 
>response - the original message was a lot more pejorative than mine.  
>You should be joining us in chastising him rather than wasting time on 
>me.
Point taken. But, the original poster wasn't worth the bandwidth.

>Fourth, if I inadvertently offended anyone I apologize.  Perhaps this 
>is a particularly sensitive subject for some people.  I'll try to be more 
>aware of that in the future.
>
>Fifth, if you disagree with any of these statements I think it'd be 
>best if you sent me email.  
Bouncy, bouncy... my mailer stinks!

>John "Alan Alda should be so sensitive" Heim        Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

It's OK dude. Any Yanks out there that *I* offended, then I must
apolog{ise,ize}! Sorry. [Hope this isn't wasting bandwidth]
-- 
milky milky.... lovely. 

 * Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat on > +44 203 638780 < for free Usenet access *
From: ccas27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Team colors
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:23:43 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Apr9.175441.13591@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> The following is posted (with permission) from private email.
> 
>>From:    IN%"murphy@npri6.npri.com"  6-APR-1992 08:39:53.69
>>To:      uupsi!heim@uunet.uu.net
>>Subject: Re: Please don't confuse me with a Bear fan (was Re: Redskins repeat?)
>> 
>>In rec.sport.football.pro you write:
>>
>>>When *I'm* cut I bleed Green & Gold.
>>
>>i'll bite:  who is "Green and Gold"?
> 
> The official colors of the Green Bay Packers are Packer Green and 
> Packer Gold.  According to my media guide (No, I'm not a member of the 
> media.) the only other team which found it necessary to make up their 
> own colors was SF.  Their colors are 49er Gold and Scarlet.  (The 
> Cardinals do use Cardinal Red, though.)
> 
> Detroit's colors are Honolulu Blue and Silver.  Honolulu Blue?  Detroit 
> fan: "When I'm cut I bleed Honolulu Blue and Silver."  :-)
> 
> Miami's colors are Aqua and Orange.  Kinda makes you wonder how they 

  I thought Miami's official colours were Aquamarine, Coral and White
  i.e. the  orange is actually coral. On a slightly un-related note do any
  other Miami fans think that they should switch back to an ALL white away
  uniform instead of the white shirts and shiny aqua trousers ( pants ), I
  think the aqua pants make them look like a bunch of candy ass tarts (hookers)

  Is it a league rule governing this - as all the other teams seem to have 
  abandoned their all white away uniforms as well ?

  Andy.
  Forca Dragons
  Go Dolphins.

> managed to win all those SBs, doesn't it?  I guess you don't have to 
> have tough looking uniforms to play hard-nosed football.  (Someone 
> should tell this to Jerry Glanville.)
> 
> John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
> **************** To boldly code what no one has coded before! ****************
From: rjk@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Keywords: draft
Date: 13 Apr 1992 15:26:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <gwf.703175361@sapphire> gwf@sapphire (George W. Fleming) writes:
>One of our local papers here (Newark Star Ledger) is reporting that
>Washington Redskins is trying to work  out a trade with the Rams to
>move from the sixth pick in the first round up to the third pick, in 
>order to draft a DT from Pittsburg that the skins want. 
>
>Does anyone know of further details?  Who is this DT from Pittsburgh
>(I don't even remember his name...)?  Is he that good?

His name is Sean Gilbert, a 300 lb. junior who they say
is very athletic and probably the best defensive lineman
in the draft.  The Rams need defensive help, too, especially
on the line.  They were expecting to get Russell Maryland
in last year's draft and when he was already gone took Todd
Lyght.  I expect the Rams to think long and hard before they
trade away the rights to Gilbert.


Ray  GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 3rd time lucky for Bills?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:33:24 GMT
Organization: NCSU Project Eos

In article <1992Apr4.205617.2799@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.112516.19066@spuddy.uucp>, markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr1.171157.22231@ncsu.edu> perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>> [stuff deleted]
>>>>As for the (Bills) safeties, Kelso and Smith aren't the greatest but at
>>>>least they are (normally) in position to make the play.  Kelso
>>>>is a "brains" player, not an assassin.  They probably need more
>>>>speed there and drafted Henry (Special Teams) Jones to help last
>>>>year, which of course was a wasted effort.
>>>>
>If Kelso's not an assassin...Ok let me put it this way.  If you weren't going
>to be looking to put a notch on your belt for homocide why would you wear that
>double helmet thing of his??? Hmmmm? Kelso throws his entire body into hits,
>but never wraps the player up.  This means half the time the player goes down
>saying "what was the license # of thet truck?" and the other half he keeps his
>balance and can jog into the endzone cus Kelso is supposed to be the last
>resort.

This is b.s.  Have you ever seen a Bills' game?  He doesn't wear his double
helmet so as to injure people.  He wears it to prevent his own injury.
Is this some type of delusion of an illusion of a fantasy that the Skins
fans are trying to spread?  Kelso misses people because they outrun him,
not because he doesn't know how to tackle!  I think you are thinking
about Alvin Walton.  You've described ALVIN perfectly!  Kelso is the best
FS in football, but he sure as he11 isn't a Jack Tatum!  Let's get real!

>Swilling (Pat) of the Saints is the LB in question regarding the Lions, Bennett
>is a possibility if that deal collapses.  Smith was just blowing off steam, he
>is a whiner and craves media-attention and what better way than to shout racism
>and say that you are going to leave town.  He is a media hound, why else would
>he out of the blue declare "I am the most dominant defensive force in the NFL"
>I am not taking anything away from his abilities but the word "arrogant" comes
>to mind.
>No they won't they have Steve Christie because of a well-told lie (oops sorry
>he didn't lie, he conviently rearranged the facts) that set him on Plan-B and
>into the Bills laps. 
>
>Look at him all season last year! He missed chip shots all the time.
>Anybody with stats on Norwood mail 'em to that guy!
>
>Good choice.  They look to be the biggest threat to the Skins next year.
>
>Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
Date: 5 Apr 92 06:58:42 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr1.092751.2547@vax1.umkc.edu>, jroberts@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> By picking up Plan B free agent Dave Kreig from the Seattle Seahawks, the
> Chiefs have filled a void that I thought would never be filled due to the high
> pollutant money involved in that position.  

Are you really naive enough to think that Krieg is any better than DeBerg?
Krieg has a turnover problem.  It's no secret that when he's hot he's as
good as almost anybody but the guy will turn the ball over alot, and in a ball
control scheme like say, oh I dunno, maybe the Chiefs have, that kills drives.
And unless you can score in two plays like tha Bills you cannot afford
turnovers and expect to win.  Even the Bills can be crippled by turnovers but
at least they can go and score so fast the next time they have the ball that
it makes up for it.  KC needs to play the clock, it's thier scheme.
Krieg will throw INT's, he has shown that, but he has also shown that he
has a poor grip on the ball when pressured.
> 
> This year, Kansas City will have the luxury of using players they sorely missed
> last year, despite losing the playoffs.  Stephone Paige, Albert Lewis, and
> Percy Snow will make the team stronger and, eventually, vault them to the top
> of the AFC West.  This is their year to go to the Super Bowl.  Watch out,
> Bills!  The Chiefs'll show you how to win the Big Game.
> 
Be prepared to swallow yer foot cus for a team as shaky at QB as yer team is
I wouldn't bet a dime on it.

> G-Man
> 
> "Tympin' ain't easy"
> Boyz II Men
> Cooleyhighharmony

Brian Mulholland