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From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Columbus vs Indians (was Re: PC lives)
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:28:06 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <1992Dec30.155829.16852@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> djrea@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.j.rea) writes:
>
>What about the person(s) now holding that property? They have worked
>hard to obtain it. Probably made the needed repairs over the years.
>Have made a livelyhood(sp?) working the land. Should these people 
>give up their land. What happens to them? Should they be held to blaim
>for what a few governments did?
>
>If my Grandfather kills another man, Do I then go to jail for his crime
>because he died before the trial? 
>
>These things have been running through my mind lately. Please do not
>flaim me. I looking for answers and solid information that could help me
>settle this issue in my brain. The Germany issue above is from a good
>friend of mine who recently was doing buisness in Germany and saw some
>of whats going on first hand. I know of no articles or papers to back it
>up with...sorry...
>
>David

Most Indian groups are willing to work around most private landholdings.
If private land was involved, I think it would be the responsibility
of the government to buy it.
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From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:16:45 GMT

From porthos!walter!att-out!rutgers!usc!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cts.eiu.edu!cfthb Wed Dec 30 15:53:00 EST 1992

In article <1992Dec30.171740.7835@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni) writes:
>
>>If one of my kids turns out gay he turns out gay.  When he reaches the age
>>of 18 and leaves my home he may live as he chooses.  If he chooses to live
>>a homosexual lifestyle I will still love him, but I will not accept his 
>>behavior.  I'd have the same reaction if he decided to become entangled with 
>>pornography or drugs.  If he decides to take the "easy way" out rather than
>>dealing with his problems what can I do?  

>    This paragraph is not consistent with your first sentence.  You are
>right that if one of your kids turns out gay, that's the way it will be.
>What would you then have him/her do - pretend/act like it's not true?  I
>assume you want your kids to be true to themselves...

Actually, if my son tells me he is homosexual I will encourage him not to 
engage in what we consider to be a sinful lifestyle (i.e. sleeping with 
another man).  But this is straying from the original point in question 
which was:

   Should the schools teaching children that homosexuality is a valid 
lifestyle choice.  If my son discovers that he is homosexual, I will deal 
with it at that time.  What is relevant to this discussion is whether or
not the school system should be teaching social values traditionally dealt
with in the home.  I say NO!

   One poster earlier made the point that rather than worry about teaching
social values, schools might try teaching kids to read and add.  About
six months ago the school supervisor for (I believe) Easton made a similar
comment.  He defended the decrease in student scores in the traditional 
subjects (math, science, history, ...) by pointing out that there are 
only X hours in a day.  Time spent on teaching various social concerns (the 
list is growing) is time taken away from traditional the traditional 
disciplines.  In his opinion, private schools had a great advantage over 
public schools in that they were not bound (by the government) to deal with
these non-academic issues.

>    And, btw, ask almost any gay person whether accepting themselves for
>what they intrinsically are was an "easy way out".

I was responding to your comment about suicide.  I regard suicide as a selfish
act perpetrated by an individual who doesn't have the courage to deal with
life on life's terms.

>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 

Bill Buoni
my opinions are my own and do NOT represent those of my employer!
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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:41:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> I could tell that when you attempted to tie besiality in with Homosexuality.

Ah, so that's what you went off on...I wasn't tieing them together at all. 
I was asking if other forms of '...sexuality' should also be taught, in 
case some kids parents practiced them, too.   One thing I keep seeing over 
and over here in excessive inferrence.  No wonder most people wouldn't 
touch this subject with a 10 ft pole..
 
> Why don't you leave what I was refering to as being nasty in...so I could
> disect it for you.  But you are relying on the fact that many readers
> here have short memory and will not remember how you stard of real
> nice and diplomatic like then you just tied homosexuality and bestiality
> together.

Paranoia reigns...I didn't leave in what you referred to as 'nasty', 'cause 
I didn't know what part you were referring to...now I do. 

> Schools haven't gone into the gutter.....Parents who don't care about
> their own children are whats making the school system down.  

And if a substantial chunk of the tax dollars gets vouchered off to 
private and parochial schools, they'll have less money to do their jobs. 
And money is part of the problem. 

> >Some folks arguing *for* teaching homosexuality is OK brought it in, 
> >not me...piss at them if you feel the need. 
> 
> In your reply to me.....the one I addressed, it was you sir who brought
> it up.  Not me nor the person I was replying to.  You brought it up no
> one else and I just told you it didn't belong in this discussion.....

It has been part of this discussion for weeks.

> You must really listen to this Rush fellow.....your logic jumps around like
> his and you edit, very selectivly, so you don't ever have to answer for
> your statements......

Now *that's* original...

Walter
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Columbus and Indians: Whats the point?
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:28:34 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
: In article 1hpprnINN88@mirror.digex.com, car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue) writes:
: >
: >Why does this subject get debated so much? What is the ultimate goal
: >of those who bring it up? That we should give back the land? That we
: >are all evil eurocentric racist homophobic bigots? It's history, it
: >happened, and it's gone on since man came out of the trees. Let it be.
: >An Politically Correct types out there feel free to give your house up
: >to an Indian, or an Aztec. Why dont you really say what you mean: Our
: >ancestors were brutal conquerors so now we should feel guilty and give
: >minorities preferential treatment over the great satan, the white
: >European Male?????  Isnt that what this is all about?
: >
: 
: The effect is to put down the victor, and to elevate the loser.  If a culture
: has dominated, it must be evil.  If a culture has been subdued, it was ipso
: facto superior.  The dominator should feel shame and guilt, the subdued has
: automatic moral superiority.  Note that this is an offshoot of the fair idea of
: giving the persecuted an equal chance, but carried to an extreme extreme.
: 
: 	Dave        

Jesus, you guys.  There is a lot of brutality and oppression in
history; would you prefer to have it ignored?  I spend a lot
of time arguing with friends on the left who've accepted the
Western Oppression thing hook line and sinker, and it's very
frustrating, and then I log on to usenet and see how smug and 
self-righteous you guys are, and it makes me want to march 
around chanting "Western Culture's Gotta Go."
You accuse "PC" types of having a political agenda in their 
interpretation of history, and they do, and it can be very
annoying.  The thing you guys don't get is that YOU have an
agenda as well, and yours has carried a lot more weight that
theirs...
BIll   
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.183439.17001@anasazi.com> briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:

>BTW, in some services, hetro soldiers can still be prosecuted for consential 
>sodomy or oral copulation with a women while on base.  Should Clinton repeal 
>this ban also, while he repeals it for homosexuals?

I wouldn't have any objection -- the two regulations seem equally
stupid and pointless -- but the one doesn't follow from the other.
There's no particular connection between the two regulations that
would suggest they should be repealed simultaneously.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: Re: Discrimination
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:15:59 GMT

jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs) writes:
>   <my monolog deleted>
> 
> That is this group turning into, Dear Abby? 

     I should hope not.  I was seriously trying to probe the legalities
and ethics of such matters, as I'd been working on for some time anyway.
Unfortunately, I've been prematurely put into the position of dealing
with just such a problem, prior to having all of the technicalities of
the problem resolved in a logical and acceptable sense.

> 
> Jim be happy I'm a conservative and not a flammer.

     It wouldn't have bothered me, I've been flamed before... :)
And I'm mostly a consevative, too, although to see the
length of my hair, you'd never believe it.

> Get your hair cut, get damn job, and don't brother us 
> until you can make these tuff decisions for yourself. 

     Actually, this isn't a tough decision, excepting as it
conflicts legally and ethically with all other forms of
discrimination.  Why should males be forced to conform to
certain standards which no one anywhere else is forced to
conform to such standards.  It'd look rather funny if all women
were suddenly forced to get their hair hair cut short, not
allowed to wear makeup, forced to only where suits and
ties, no jewelry allowed except weeidng bands, etc...

     Personally, I'm flexible on the issue.  I had to be if
I was in the military for eight years with short hair, I'll
live with it again if it's that necessary.  But when everyone
around me tells me to get a haircut for a job interview with
no logical basis behind their statements whatsoever, other
that to conform to some social standard or possibly be
discriminated against during job selection, I can't justify
that as a direct reason for doing it.  If an employer expects
a person to maintain some sort of standard on hygiene, to
include dress and hair and such, then fine.  If selected on
all other merits and given the choice, I can do that.  In
fact, I already would meet all qualifications on standards
of hygiene (dress, and all), other than length of hair.
But to be expected to put up a facade for a job interview,
especially when I know that so many are already conforming
to such a standard to get away with such negative things
as previously stated, I can't find it in my personal morals
to do such a thing.

Jim

> 
> jim shirreffs
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From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:18:31 GMT

Brian Douglass (briand@anasazi.com) wrote:

[lots of stuff about anecdotal sexual harassment in the military deleted]

: BTW, in some services, hetro soldiers can still be prosecuted for consential
: sodomy or oral copulation with a women while on base.  Should Clinton repeal
: this ban also, while he repeals it for homosexuals?
:
Yes.
-- 
Mike McAngus 			 | As if I needed Another time consuming hobby.
(mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org)		 | 
The Truth is still the Truth	 | This Post exploits illiterates.
Even if you choose to ignore it. |
From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Kicked out of a.f.d-q?  I don't think so
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:22:56 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <nate.960@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
#    This is admittedly the first time I've ever heard anyone make that 
#claim as well, but I've seen a couple of cases in which hordes of people 
#have posted "requests" for other dissenting persons to butt out and leave 
#a group until they have "learned" more appropriate opinions. Consider the 
#case of Steve Chaney or Jack Schmidling. Basically these two guys have 
#gotten unpopular enough that they can no longer hold fruitful discussions 
#here because people are so busy berating them for past transgressions or 
#trying to put words in their mouthes in order to create new offenses. Both 
#of these individuals have been effectively "kicked out".

Chaney isn't flamed for his opinions - he's flamed because he sends
death threats via e-mail to anyone who disagrees with him and because
he forges articles and lies about news reports.  It's much
easier to blame ostracism on some idiotic notion of "appropriate
opinions" than to find out the facts, of course.  It's also easier
to pretend that Chaney or Scmidling were ever capable of holding
fruitful discussions with anyone than to admit that they're anti-
Semitic hatemongers with deplorable verbal skills.  

Whining about "politically correct" censorship is rapidly replacing
cries of "Nazi" as the last resort of the Usenet  loser.

Susan
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Pot-Kettle-Black (was Re: Homophobes in the Military..)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:01:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

More proof that lefties who run out of arguments resort to personal 
attacks:

In article <1992Dec22.054716.22423@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.160855.16757@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>
>>Isn't it funny that the people who "claim" to be "the most" in favor of 
>>"not judging others based on their beliefs" often show a propensity for 
>>crashing fundamentalist Christians into the walls.
>>
>>Their creed must be, "Don't judge others...unless they're Christians."  
>>I see this creed rampant in our society today.
>
>Okay,  now, imagine you are listening to Flash Rambo on WKRP...
>
>*sound of papers crumpling*
>Tadle-da-tadle-da-tadle-da-tadle-da  -  and now for a DOUBLE Christian
>Values update.
>*music rises up from the background, the fundie theme song -  R E S P E C T*
>
>"R E S P E C T,  thats what i want for me  R E S P E C T  
>(chorus - just a little respect, uh-huh)"
>
>Dateline - Phoenix - A dial in telephone inspirational  message says that
>"It would be the Christian Thing to bomb the starving
>Somalies.   They are just a bunch of lazy gorilla's."
>
>[this is TRUE]
>
>Just in on the usenet...  
>*imagine Rush's little boy voice now*
>
>Poor Widdle Ted and da Chwistians can't get no wespect *boo hoo*
>Nobody wuv him *boo hoooooooo*
>We awwww supossed to wuv him cause Gawd says he's wight!
>
>*Now, imagine Rush's deep bass voice, fully modulated*
>
>Well, Ted, that's because you don't deserve any repsect!
>Don't sit sit there and whine like a baby,  earn some respect.
>
>Back, after these messages from "Hooked on Sonics"
>
>"whats on your feet?"
>"toes"
>"Can you spell toes?"
>"sure, T O E S"
>"Do you know what that means in Spanish?"
>"No!"
>"It means, 'In the general system, ontogeny can be shown to
>recapitulate phylongeny'"
>"Wow, Spanish is easy!   What does "A S S" mean in Spanish?"
>"Same as in English - Ted Krueger!"
>
>
>


-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:53:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec30.232317.26924@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>I say yes....I say you have no right to force your set of values on anyone.

Ah Duhhh!  Bill we're not talking about a choice between classes that teach
homosexuality as something evil and classes that teach it as a something 
good.  We're talking about the choice between not teaching it at all and
teaching one set of values.

If the person you're responding to doesn't have the right to force their
values on anyone, why are you insisting that you do have the right to 
force your values on others?  That's exactly what a program like Children
of the Rainbow does, it teaches the values that the gay community wants
taught, it forces children to accept the values (that gays are the moral
equivelant of hets in all respects) of the gay community in order to pass
the course and it forces parents to accept their children being taught values
that they often don't share.

NO ONE, not one single person that I've ever heard, has ever advocated the
teaching gay bashing or gay bias in the public schools.  The issue is 
whether no vaules will be taught on the matter or whether the values
of homosexuals will be forced on children against the wishes of their parents.

The issue isn't nearly and murky or clouded as the gay right activist and
those that support "tolerance" course would like us to believe.  They would
like people to miss the fact that it is they that are insisting of state 
enforcement of their values on society as a whole, and not the people that 
oppose these programs.   

PSG
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:51:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1992Dec31.153208.6085@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1992Dec30.154724.12695@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
>]In article <1992Dec30.042419.2105@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>]
>]Gays constitute about ten percent of the population.  This is a very
>]significant percentage.
>
>This is a bogus number, also. It is based on a Kinsey study where the
>subjects were self-selected, and where gayness was defined as anyone
>who admitted any single instance in their life of any homosexual
>activity. A better number is 2 - 2.5%.

Well, 23 and 42 are better numbers than 2.5.  And I'm partial to 10^e.
:-)

Just kidding.  I'm not disputing your statistic, but I'm curious as to
where it came from.

-Howard

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Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper?
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From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:10:06 GMT

In article <1htk4iINNb7l@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>> That isn't my opinion.......Why don't you respect and allow me to have
>> my values....
>
>No one is denying you your values, or your freedom to teach them to your 
>kids.   I certainly respect your right to have your own values, and to 
>not be persecuted or discriminated against.  On the other hand, from 
>reading your posts (to me and others) you seem an incredibly angry and 
>hostile man, who has an axe to grind against the world; especially any 
>part that doesn't favor *you*.  
>
Then stop persecuting and discriminating against him!

>> I would like for my child to bring up from day one
>> to love all humanbeings......
>
>Ditto here.  
>
He does not mean the christian definition of love, in which those you
"love" are eternally damned.

>> Minded should be able to send their children to school and not have them
>> being taught values that conflict with the values they have in their
>> home.  But to me you say NO!!!!  
>
>Spare me the rhetoric.  
>
If you will spare yours

>> How dare you......
>
>Ooooooo...I guess I'm just an evil, Rush-loving, gay-bashing, breeder-'phobe..
>
>Walter
>
Wow. Walter has finally written something I can agree with. :)
From: steve.ramsey@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Steve Ramsey) 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush vs. Madonna (was
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: steve.ramsey@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Steve Ramsey) 

TO: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)

WC>According to aa article in the Houston Chronicle a few weeks ago, 
WC>Madonna's book "Sex", bumped Rush's Book off of the New York best sell
WC>list.
WC>
WC>Make up your own jokes about this.

It didn't last for long.  Rush's book is back on top.  As a matter of 
fact, it is completely sold out in Jacksonville.  I tried to order it from 
Waldenbooks and it is on backorder.

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