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From: dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer)
Subject: Re: Hiking nude
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:03:07 GMT

In article <19r149INNc4o@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>We do a lot of nude hiking and the general rule of thumb is the further
>you are from civilization the more civilized you'll be treated by the
>people you meet on the trail.  Most people that enjoy nature understand
>that the naked human is part of nature.  Besides, most people won't go
>out of their way to complain so if there isn't a phone nearby they'll
>just laugh it off.  The one time I remember that people did complain and
>the ranger came out to tell us to cover up I think she (the ranger) was
>more pissed about having to drive 50 miles to answer the complaint then
>she was about the nudity.

Once while hiking in a National Forest, I happened upon a (female)
ranger talking to another hiker.  She practically fell over in hysterical
laughter, and managed to say something like she could fine me for that.
She didn't though, and I just kept on hiking, to get by her as quickly
as possible.


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From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:06:26 GMT


Lock your door.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: NY TV Show airs nudity - E.T. Mentions Warning
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:54:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.202759.8598@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>In article <1afftfINN5u1@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:
>>I didn't see the show with Hemingway; but from what I hear here, it seems
>>that was done much more for the purpose of titillation.
>I did see the show and I don't agree.  She struggled with the
>decision to pose and I thought the scene itself was done much
>better than the scene in Doogie Howser since they didn't hide
>everything.

Well, I'm confused. Would *someone* please tell us: did they or did they
not reveal more than the accepted prime-time standard???  If so, how much?
Several people have said they "didn't hide everything" and several others
have said that they didn't actually show anything like breasts or buttocks.
So exactly what was it that they didn't hide?

Bill.

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 01:40:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


elliot@ansoft.com (mike elliot/.nam) writes:

>I always find it strange when people expect different behavior in a
>CO setting than they would in a textile one. Take photographs for
>example. On a textile beach, most people wouldn't think twice if they
>saw someone with a camera taking pictures. But, put that some person
>on a CO beach and alot of people think it is inappropriate. Surely,
>if nudity is nothing to be ashamed of and isn't to be equated with
>sex, then we should behave the same whether clothed or not.

But it isn't alright to take picture of someone clothed< either. you need
their permission. except that people generaly don't get upset about it,
cause the photographer is not likely to sell pictures of them to someone
else for money. If you are naked,however, the probability of a financial
transaction goes up dramatically.

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU (Paul Fortman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art modeling
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:58:52 GMT


I am interested in doing some modeling too.  A friend, who knows of my 
naturist lifestyle, suggested that I do some modeling and gave me the 
name of who to contact.  Appearently models for art classes are hard 
to get in this area (SW Ohio).  I definitely need the extra income.  
What is the going and/or fair hourly rate for models?  To repeat the 
question of a previous poster, what is it like to model for an art 
class?  

Thanks.


*Pooh Bare

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Date: 30 Sep 1992 06:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>While I sympathize with you, I think you could solve your problem by
>locking your door and/or posting a message such as "Warning, Occupants
>of room may be naked!" or some such.
>-- 
>Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>

Gee, post something like that, and you could have a whole buncha other
problems :)

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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:13:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <OLEG.92Oct3152250@sblapis1.cs.sunysb.edu> oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky) writes:
>mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>
>> >                                In the midst of a purely computer-related
>> >discussion, a man aproached us and quietly and politely asked us to leave...
>>
>> I was hoping someone else would ask, but after a couple of days nobody has,
>> so I get to be the net.dunce:  On what grounds did this individual feel he
>> was justified in asking you to leave?
>
>Several of the beaches I've been to were self-regulated in some way or other.
>Sometimes there are specially appointed people (I think, Sandy Hook has this
>now, but I might be wrong). Mostly, self-regulation is done by the most
>respected members; you don't HAVE to comply, but they are people you'll have
>around if you choose to stay. Thus, I think the guy was justified to do it. He
>might be wrong (I hope he was, whatever he had in mind) in my particular case,
>but in general I guess he was doing a useful job.
-------

	But you still haven't said why he asked you to leave.

	It appears he asked you to leave because you were having a computer-
related conversation with another male.  Are computers considered
pornographic?  Where you fondling the other male while having the 
discussion?  Simply having a private conversation doesn't seem like
sufficient reason for anyone to ask you to leave.


-wat-
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Re: Photos at nude beaches
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:45:12 GMT


>In article <Bv9Io8.BKM@ansoft.com> elliot@ansoft.com (mike elliot/.nam) writes:
>>example. On a textile beach, most people wouldn't think twice if they
>>saw someone with a camera taking pictures. But, put that some person
>>on a CO beach and a lot of people think it is inappropriate. etc...

Last year, I took a trip to San Francisco. (I'm from Ohio, so
apologies in advance if I get some of the place names wrong.)  Since I
had seen the regular tourist sites on a previous visit, I decided to
explore the west side of the city.

I reached the Pacific through Golden Gate Park (?) near some windmill
and followed roads, beaches and the Coastal Trail (?) north to the GG
Bridge.  I am a compulsive picture taker, and this was my first good
look at the Pacific, so I was snapping pictures of everything.

Along the way, I came upon Baker (?) Beach.  There were a lot
of people - families, singles, fishermen, etc. - all clothed.  I
walked along the water's edge, looking at the view toward Marin
County.  At one point, I turned inland only to see that many of the
people in view at this point were nude.

I was a bit surprised, and suddenly very self conscious about having
the camera around my neck.  However, I figured I had travelled 2000
miles and had spent half the day walking to get to this point, so I
might as well continue taking pictures.  Since I go for scenery
pictures, I usually try to avoid having people in my shots anyway.
Thus, while my photographing behavior on a nude beach didn't change, I
was a lot more aware of it.  No one on the beach said anything to me
about it.

After a few more shots, including some good ones of the bridge, I
headed back to the trail.  It eventually led up to a bluff that
overlooked the beach.  Up there, I came across 3-4 people with
binoculars and/or cameras with large telephoto lenses trained on the
beach.

No moral to the story.  Just an anecdote that seemed to fit this
thread.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: sex
Keywords: ignore what you fear and it will have undoubtedly gone away
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:58:11 GMT

In article <3856@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>	Most (all?) nudists are of the opinion that clothing is sexier
>than nudity, since clothing highlights and emphasizes sexual characteristics.

Not all.  I question even "most."  (How many nudists get dressed to have
sex because it's sexier?)  Stick with "many" or "some."   This is a
topic on which people genuinely disagree.  There's room for the opinion
that either a clothed or unclothed state can be sexy -- it's a question
of situation and attitude.

Jon Alan Conrad
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Naturist meetings in Finland
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:04:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen) says:

>My apologies if this isn't the right newsfroup for this, but...
>
[entirely appropriate announcement of upcoming naturist meeting deleted]

Wrong newsgroup. You want alt.sex. We only discuss breasts here :) :)

Thanks, Tero. Although I can't make the meeting, it's nice to see this
newsgroup used for _real_ naturist discussion.
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From: bm127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (T. David Gossett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: a silly question
Date: 29 Sep 1992 22:48:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am sure this question has been asked before and perhaps I should
experience a CO beach before I ask it...but (to the males) does
the time ever happen when you get aroused, and how do you deal with
it when it does?
Thanks
---D
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probably make sense.
From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: experience was worth more than words can describe
Keywords: experience
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:50:10 GMT


I was just wondering if anyone else has been to wreck beach... and if you have
what did you think of it?

Later

Derek

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude?  Is it time?
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.224048.2670@eskimo.celestial.com> witters@eskimo.celestial.com (John Witters) writes:

>By the way, what happened to the mailing list that was described here a few
>months ago?  I tried sending a query about it to the address listed in the
>article, but I got no reply.

It is alive and well, I get a small digest almost every day.
Try email to:

               HENDRY@ETSUADMN.ETSU.EDU

and request to be added.
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:05:45 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

In <3856@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.063705.5889@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>Since even *clothed* people evoke a sexual response, all *nudity* does is 
>>raise the stakes
>
>	Most (all?) nudists are of the opinion that clothing is sexier
>than nudity, since clothing highlights and emphasizes sexual characteristics.
>
>

Amen to that. 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Women enjoying nature in natural state.
Keywords: nudity, rape, women
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:16:36 GMT

arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis) writes:
>>The MCPs that are my age (I'm 47) are probably a lost cause; but each
>
>What are MCPs?  Master Control Programs? I'd say any program that's
>47 years old is a lost cause.  :-)
>
>-- 
>Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca

It's not a lost cause if it's still running!
Probably better 'debugged' than yours, young man. Speed isn't everything.
:) :)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: rod@unislc.uucp (Robert Despain)
Subject: Re: Would anonymous access here be desirable?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:40:36 GMT

Bill Arnett (arnett@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: 
: If anonymous postings are allowed, they should be moderated.
: Otherwise the noise level is going to increase.

Yep.  I sent e-mail to the person who offered an (automatic)
posting service, saying that things have been going downhill fast
enough recently without allowing misc yahoos to post with no
responsibility. 

: The list, I think, should contain at *least* 3 names so that people have a
: choice of who to trust with their identities.  If possible, one of the
: volunteers should be a woman.

I trust you, Bill, but I'm still inclined to say if we can't get
at least one woman volunteer, sink the scheme.  Do I have to add
a list of the stupid kinds of postings we're going to see
otherwise?

I guess I'm still undecided on the issue.  Thank you, Bill, for
making me give some thought to the other side.

Cheers, R.O.
P.S.  Could anyone tell me what the current story/status at
Rooster Rock State Park (Oregon) is?  E-mail's fine unless we
need to muster support or something -- then post.
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: HELLO CENTRAL KENTUCKY???
    <1992Sep30.172128.16242@ms.uky.edu> <johnr.717903412@mik.uky.edu>
Distribution: ky
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:27:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <johnr.717903412@mik.uky.edu> johnr@mik.uky.edu (john s roberts) writes:
>anyway.. so you responded... are there any naturalistic orgs around here?

Sorry, I don't know.
 
>also.. any adivce for getting a dod?  :-)
 
Well, it depends on what you want to do with him/her
once you get him.  :-) back

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From: ken@dakota (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: Sex and (vs.) Nudity
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:41:44 GMT

In article <Bvns48.651@acsu.buffalo.edu> v076rtlz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M. Green) writes:
>
>		"What God Wants, God Gets"
>				-Roger Waters
		^^^^^^^^Isn't that a Wonderful Album????? (sorry to get off
the subject, but there is a line on the album about "perfect breasts" does
that count?)

KAC


Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
From: marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: NY TV Show airs nudity - E.T. Mentions Warning
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: octel.1992Oct6.202954.13486
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

I did not see either the "Civil Wars" ro "Dooggie Houser" shows.  It seems
to me that this is getting so much attention only because it was on a "major
network".

It seems to me I saw full frontal nudity without sexual connotations as far
back as 10-20 years ago on PBS (Public Broadcasting System).  I do not know
if they have had anything recently, but there may have been something on
childbirth on "Nova" a few years ago.

I guess for me, nudity on the air waves is no big deal.

Now, from the discussion, I think I would like to see "Civil Wars" because
I have done some nude photography, and I think it would be worth while for
me to have a better appreciation of what the model goes through.

Incidently, when I took a nude photography class, the instructor strongly
recomended that we, the photographers, should try posing nude some time to
better understand the model's point of view.  He indicated that it would also
help us give better directions and improve communication.

	marc
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude? Is it time?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:23:39 GMT

In article <19voucINN7ic@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:
>lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>
>>Bullshit, there's nothing ambiguous about rec.naturism
>
>Look up naturism in a dictionary.  Did you find it?  I never have.  That
>makes it pretty ambiguous to me (ambiguous in the sense of "doubtful or
>uncertain", not necessarily "dual meaning").

I did look it up in a rather hefty dictionary (Oxford or Webster's) that
we have at work.  According to this dictionary, "naturism" is a *religion*
characterized by the *worship* of Sol, and by a lack of clothing.

Nothing at all ambiguous about the definition, but I don't think think
many rec.nudists would agree with it.  (Their second defintion, btw,
simply read "nudism" if I remember correctly.)

I would vote for rec.nude or rec.nudism.  Very few people in the "real world"
know what "naturism" means.  Everybody know ahat "nudism" means.   And there
is certainly no consensus in this group as to which term is preferable.
(For example, I always call myself I nudist, not a naturist.  But I consider
the terms to mean *exactly* the same thing.  Other people interpret them
differently and prefer one or the other.)

As pointed out by other people, changing the name is *not* going to stop
the irrelevant posts.  Society associates all nudity with sex and is does not
matter what you *call* that nudity, it will *still* be associated with sex.

Bill
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?
Summary: Post while you can, Monkey Boy!
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:52:11 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ringo.718382008@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:

> What's wrong with masturbation?

Nothing is wrong with masturbation.  But I wouldn't want to have someone
masturbating next to me in a resturant.  Or at the beach (textile or nude).
Masturbation is not an appropriate activity at the beach.  Or in a resturant.

> Sounds VERY judgemental, coming from someone who DARES walk around
> wearing NOTHING at all. How dare someone behave in a way that might
> disturb you?

You're a little late on this discussion.  We did it this past summer. ;-)

> -John Rescigno
> Dept. of Psychology
> Clarkson University
> Nowhere, NY

Got a Psychology assignment due? ;-)

Terry
From: rlittell@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Rich Littell)
Subject: Re: Polk County, FL bans nudity
Reply-To: rlittell@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:47:57 GMT

In article <BvECH4.BIE.2@cs.cmu.edu>, Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> From a UPI story found in a clari.* group, which I can't just forward
> here lest The Wrath of Templeton come down upon me...
> 
> (...jus' kiddin', Brad...)
> 
> It seems that the commissioners of Polk County, FL voted 3-2 for an
> ordinance banning everything from outright nude-going folk to T-back
> swimsuits (e.g., the hotdog vendor issue).
> 
> Interestingly, the only female commissioner of the 5 was one of the 2
> who voted against, and she had been sexually assaulted herself "many
> years ago," in which her assailant's defense was based in part on the
> idea that her dress had provoked the attack.  She (wisely) "could not
> accept assumptions in the ordinance" that public nudity causes sex
> crimes.
> 
> There were 200 in attendance at the hearing, almost all in favor of
> the ordinance, sigh.
> 
> --karl


I can not believe the folks that are running this country
of ours.

I am constantly assaulted by nasty pictures of Freddy Kruger
both at work and at home on the TV and yet no one seems to be
offended by these pictures/movies except me.

Yet, people are constantly being harrassed at the beach because
they choose to wear a T type bathing suit or better yet no suit
at all.

I would much rather see folks, at the beach, in their natural
way then see one of those horrible pictures of a slasher.

Where is this country of ours going?

Lord only knows.

Rich Littell, Encore Computer Corporation