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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:23:39 GMT

Stephen Buckley (sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:

: >I never heard JC criticizing anyone but the Pharisees and Saducces.  Nary a
: >word about the Hindus, or the Buddhists, or anyone else.  Certainly he was
: >aware of these religions - many of his teachings could be heard straight from
: >the Buddha.
: 
:   gosh, i'm not sure there were hindus or buddhist around there at that
: time.  just because the buddha said things similar to jesus' words doesn't
: mean jesus knew of buddhists.  i hope you weren't really arguing this!

Um, I think there were.  Anyone have the birthdate of the Buddha?

By inference you are saying that Jesus knew nothing of any other religion but
Judiasm.  I doubt very much that is the case.  And yes, I really was arguing
this!
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  3 SEP 92 12:21:43    


In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then
>streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a 
>shooting star).
>John Winston.

Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, I've
seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers.
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
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Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:48:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
>>
>>In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>>>They will then streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line
>>>like a shooting star).
>>>John Winston.
>>
>>Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, 
>>I've seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers.
>>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
>
>Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it.
>Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or
>shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and 
>definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line.

An object traveling fast enough (in the several kps range) may not show
much gravitationally induced curvature. Of course, friction should slow it
down rapidly. But after watching thousands of meteors, I have not seen
any that showed noticable curvature. Next shower I catch, I will look
closer.
 
>Ithlial
>
>My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

Naaa, that's just your opinion...  :^)


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: doug@testsys.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:42:53 
Distribution: na
Organization: SKAN Communications Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.133701.202586@uctvax.uct.ac.za> 
fllant01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes: 

> ======================================================================
> Extract from 'Seal of God' by F.C.Payne (1974):
> 
> BIBLE NUMERICS - FIRST ASPECT
> 
> The New Testament begins with the genealogy of Christ back to
> Abraham. It is interesting to note that this genealogy itself is
> divided into three sets of 14: Abraham to David (14), David to
> Babylon (14), Babylon to Christ (14). See Matt. 1:17. It has two
> natural sectiond, verses 1-11 and 12-17. I am but giving some
> examples from the section 1 to 11, the latter section contains
> similar phenomena which need not be enumerated. The following now is
> from the Greek, in whick the N.T. is written. The actual numerics are
> by Dr. Panin.

Ok - so how do you explain the fact that the other geneologies don't
agree with Matthew's? Did God get confused? Or did humans write the
Bible? After all it is called the gospel according to Matthew, not the
gospel according to God.

=doug
---

uuisis!skanadm!doug
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From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: is newage distinguishable?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:57:01 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:

>: Bear Giles writes:

>: >Actually, a good definition of a major thrust of the 'new age' can
>: >be summarized by some 18-th Century radicals:
>: 
>: >  The pursuit of life, liberty and happiness with enlightened
>: >  self-interest.

>Oho!  So it isn't so "new" after all...
  
  except that now, people are claiming to be god.
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From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:01:41 GMT

raj.sharma writes:

>> you can blame it on my western
>> mindset, but unintelligible, ineffible answers are meaningless to me
>> and make no difference in my life.  thus i discard taoism and zen as
>> philosophies that can aid in my life beyond neat pub discussions.


>	Who am I?
>	Do I know I?
>	Do I understand I?
>	Do I know the "meaning of" I?

  yeah, i know who i am.  my login is sbuckley.  it stands for stephen
buckley.  i am an individual with two parents, a lineage tracable 450
years on paper, a brain, some critical capacity, self-awareness and natural
human needs, desires and aspirations.  man, i spent a decade questioning
all this and all the hypothetical critiques revolved around "but do i 
*really* know *who* the *essence* of me is?" which held no water when i
woke up to a reality check that this is ME, this is who i am and this is
what i have to use to comprehend life.  life is tricky and not fully,
exhaustively intelligible, but it is not too difficult to see how to live
given what we each have to comprehend with.  to dump my identity is to
wimp out of life.

>	
>	[I am That I am.
>	Before Abraham I was.
>	I am the alpha and the omega.
>	I and My Father are One.
>	
>	Be Still and Know that I am God.]

  and if you wanna try to *be* the god of the bible, you have the freedom
to do so.  but you're going to be wrong.  just look in the bible to
see what the god of the bible thinks about people claiming to be god.  but
then all the people i know who claim to be god disagree with the arrogance
of the god of the bible anyway.  so never mind.
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From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:04:02 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:

>John Emery (emery@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:

>: >They have labeled those people who do not follow an organized religion
>: >"new agers" and, because they are thus labeled, they are a religion.  QED.
>  
>: Newage as I see it: a lightly knit group of individuals and orginazitions
>: that hold to pantheism, global enlightment, and reincarnation, who believe
>: we are exiting the piscean age and enterining into the age of aquarius.

>An interesting definition, but not universal.  Certainly none of these ideas
>(individually or collectively) are new.  Many Jews believed in reincarnation
>(this is mentioned in the NT in at least one place), Jesus preached global
>enlightenment (as did many others), and many, many cultures had pantheism
>as their main spiritual and/or philosophical basis.  The American Indian
>culture, for instance.  Hardly new.
  
  and that's hardly relevant.  it doesn't matter how old the new age 
philosophies are when it comes to deciding things about the new age.
nobody's critiquing newage based on the argument that it's new, because
it's clearly not.
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From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:47:54 GMT

In article <64661@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Seekers of Truth: The question was asked, "Who is Dharma"? Dharma i

>a person who serves as a channel for some highly evolved beings such
>as Sananda and Hatonn. She has been and is probubly now in the town
>of Tehachapi, Calif. at American West Publisher, P.O. Box 986, Tehachapi

>Calif 93581, (800) 729-4131. I don't condone nor refute anything that
>is said by her. I have read the book you mentioned by Sananda. Sananda
>speaks about relgious things in a King James sort of words. People who
>read the King James version of the bible seem to like it that way. Many
>times religious things are put down in that way to just weed out the 
>people who are not truely searching for the truth. Newage group do seem
>a lot alike. A group of Light Workers that Don Showen used to work
>with have had Mr. Green and Dharma in to speak to them before. Don 
>doesn't like the information of Hatonn that is coming from Hatonn throug

>Dharma. We both enjoyed the information from Hatonn that came through
>Mr. Miller and the Solar Cross.
>John Winston.


The really Goofed up part is that I think that John's the expert here!

Big Al.  Hey John, we ever gonna do that picture thing? You'd better wait
till after I move, though.
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: is newage distinguishable?
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:45:37 GMT

In article <sbuckley.714780535@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>
>  and after a decade of being immersed in it, i've got a little
>description of it myself.  the left column characterizes our contemporary
>western culture that is being abandoned in lieu of the right column.

"In lieu of" seems extreme.  Many of us seek balance between some
columns, e.g.:

>	rational		intuitive/emotional

Although on a few you're correct:  we're consistently in the right column

>	patriarchal		gender-balanced
>	hierarchical,		decentralized
>	  centralized		decentralized
>	bureaucratic		maximum personal freedom

(I'm assuming you're not refering to silly things like unisex restrooms
in the first category).

I'm not sure what 'post-modern' means because I've only seen it
used with art:

>	secular			post-modern
>	scientific		post-modern
>	humanism		post-modern

I, for one, don't care for "cosmic systems" or "global unity focus."

However, I do consider it pretty much criminal for a responsible lumber
company carefully managing its redwood stock to be bought out (in a LBO)
and forced to clearcut that stock to pay the costs incurred therein.

>	not environmentally
>  	  conscious		ecological; cosmic systems approach
>	capitalistic		global unity focus
>	greedy, self-centred	global unity focus
>	nationalistic		global unity focus


Actually, a good definition of a major thrust of the 'new age' can
be summarized by some 18-th Century radicals:

  The pursuit of life, liberty and happiness with enlightened
  self-interest.

If someone wants to jump off a crane with nothing but a giant rubber-
band to keep him from going 'splat,' why should anyone care provided
he knows the risk?  Yet many states rush in to protect him, "for his
own good."

But if someone wants to spend a lot of money to buy a company, so
that he will be forced to ruin that company's limited resources (and
his country's, btw) in order to repay that debt, is that 'enlightened
self-interest?'

(The 'capitalistic' part is only marginally new-age.  However, there
are a lot of people on all sides of the political and religious
spectrums who think the emphasis on short-term profit has gone far
too far).


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: oak@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: The spiritual master
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:43:54 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada


 


THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AS A MANIFESTATION OR REPRESENTATIVE OF KRISHNA, THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD
 
	acharyam mam vijaniyan
	navamanyeta karhicit
	na martya-buddhyasuyeta
	sarva-devamayo guruh
 
One should know the 'acharya' as Myself (Krishna) and never disrespect him in any way.  One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.
 
						( Bhagvatam 11.17.27 )
 
	guru krishna-rupa hana sastrera pramane
	guru-rupe krishna kripa karena bhakta-gane
 
According to the deliberate opinion of all revealed scriptures, the spiritual master is nondifferent form Krishna.  Lord Krishna in the form of the spiritual master delivers His devotees.
 
				( Chaitanya Charitamruta Adilila 1.45 )
 
Comments/ questions....corrections welcome.
 
Nilesh		oak@mwilliams.eche.ualberta.ca
---------------------------------------------------------------------
hare krishna hare krisna krishna krishna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare
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From: haefner@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner)
Subject: "I Am Sananda"
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:06:46 GMT


Okay "Newagers", I have a question.

I just finished the book "And They Called His Name Immanuel" I Am Sananda.
If I recall correctly this was discussed some time ago, so please
forgive me for hashing up old news.

Maybe an informed source here can tell me a few things that are confusing
to me:

1)  Who is dharma? Where is dharma now?

2)  Why was some of the language translated in 16th century style,
    (Thee, Thy, Ye...etc.)

3)  What groups are affiliated with this movement? (The reason I ask
    this is because I have a difficult time differentiating between 
    many "Newage" groups because of similarities. 

Feel free to tell me whatever else you choose too, as long as you are
informed on this subject. I am no way trying to ridicule or slander this
particular book or source. I simply am requesting information. Feel free to 
e-mail me privately if desired.

Thanks in advance,


Mark Haefner


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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:12:51 GMT

Well, gang, September's a day away.  They have (looking at watch) about
9 hours more today to start the race riots.  Somehow, I don't think it's going
to happen...
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:27:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <92237.232551JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu> JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu (Joe Carlson) writes:
>I think you need to get your story straight....You mention a 4 yr old
>and the 2 large wolves, and then you say there were just the 3 of you
>2 of your boys, 10 and 11 yrs of age, I believe, and one that you left
>sitting at the tree line.  Surely you wouldn't leave a 4 yr old alone
>at the tree line and travel 3 miles plus up the mountain...so
>I think I've reached the conclusion that you are full of bull feces!
>
>"Beware false Prophets"   which I think you are.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

John is a deeply religous man and I think until he starts claiming he is
Jesus Christ, we could do without these personal attacks...
Jeff-


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:18:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64571@cup.portal.com> <2489@israel.nysernet.org> <65091@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't 
get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. It seemed that last
night the computer system automatically kicked me off of the system
because I had too much E-mail. I got rid of a lot of it so I'm up and 
running again. Bridget said that last week when she went into astral
projection she went to Mt. Shasta but made a wrong turn and wound up
in a place having an older lady help her out. Such is life. Now if you
will, please let me tell you about a method that I once learned by 
reading a book by Michael X. Barton, of contacting the flying saucers. To
do this a person should tune up their mind to the highest frequency that
they can produce. To reach this frequency it is suggested that you think
mentally about some high thought such as the Lord's Prayer or some
peaceful situation. When you have done this on a dark, moonless uncloudy
night, look up in the sky and think about the people in the UFOs. Say to 
them mentally and or outloud, Space people if you are there streak
through the air as I count down from 10 to zero. Then count down from
10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then
streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a 
shooting star). Do the counting again and ask them to do it again this
time from north to south. Next do it east to west, then ask them to do 
it someway different (they will probubly do it straight up and down).
If you have yound people with you they will probubly be able to hear 
someone talking in a strange language. Be sure and get your frequency
as high as you can so you'll only get the good guys.
John Winston.
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From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:05:43 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't 
> get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. It seemed that last
> night the computer system automatically kicked me off of the system
> because I had too much E-mail.

I don't get it...your computer kicked you out of the Astral Train ?
How rude....

> I got rid of a lot of it so I'm up and 
> running again. Bridget said that last week when she went into astral
> projection she went to Mt. Shasta but made a wrong turn and wound up
> in a place having an older lady help her out. Such is life.

I wonder why they don't put more signs on those damn Astral Highways.

> Now if you
> will, please let me tell you about a method that I once learned by 
> reading a book by Michael X. Barton, of contacting the flying saucers. To
> do this a person should tune up their mind to the highest frequency that
> they can produce. To reach this frequency it is suggested that you think
> mentally about some high thought such as the Lord's Prayer or some
> peaceful situation.

Please note: you have to think MENTALLY. Whatever that means.
Note 2: Lord's Prayer = peaceful situation. As I remember, most
people pray while in trouble.


> When you have done this on a dark, moonless uncloudy
> night, look up in the sky and think about the people in the UFOs. Say to 
> them mentally and or outloud, Space people if you are there streak
> through the air as I count down from 10 to zero. Then count down from
> 10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then
> streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a 
> shooting star). Do the counting again and ask them to do it again this
> time from north to south. Next do it east to west, then ask them to do 
> it someway different (they will probubly do it straight up and down).

Wait ! I want to take pictures !!!! 

> If you have yound people with you they will probubly be able to hear 
> someone talking in a strange language. Be sure and get your frequency
> as high as you can so you'll only get the good guys.
> John Winston.


Yes, you don't want to meet an Astral Bad Guy !


Keep up, John,
I've never laughed so much... :) :)


JM.

















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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: "I Am Sananda"
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:18:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom._9an+5k.jeffp
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug25.170646.2356@infonode.ingr.com> haefner@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) writes:
>
>Okay "Newagers", I have a question.
>
>I just finished the book "And They Called His Name Immanuel" I Am Sananda.
>If I recall correctly this was discussed some time ago, so please
>forgive me for hashing up old news.
>
>Maybe an informed source here can tell me a few things that are confusing
>to me:
>
>1)  Who is dharma? Where is dharma now?
>
>2)  Why was some of the language translated in 16th century style,
>    (Thee, Thy, Ye...etc.)
>
>3)  What groups are affiliated with this movement? (The reason I ask
>    this is because I have a difficult time differentiating between 
>    many "Newage" groups because of similarities. 
>
>Feel free to tell me whatever else you choose too, as long as you are
>informed on this subject. I am no way trying to ridicule or slander this
>particular book or source. I simply am requesting information. Feel free to 
>e-mail me privately if desired.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Mark Haefner
>
>
Well, what a sincere little post:-)

Dharma is not a who, at least not as far as I'm aware of. It's a Hindu term,`
in fairly common usage, even in the English language. Webster's defines dharma
as "the basic principles of cosmic or individual existence; conformity to one's duty and nature."

I have not read the book you have mentioned, but several groups that channel 
Space Brothers/Sisters are outlined and explained in Brad Stieger's "The
Fellowship" and I would recommend this book to anyone that wants to learn
more about this type of channeled information and the similarity of information
being channeled by different individuals around the country.

Old english terms may be pretty foreign sounding to us, but if your an entity
that is immortal, or has a life span of 1000 years, the 16th century was yesterday...

Jeff-
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:19:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <64518@cup.portal.com> <64570@cup.portal.com>

There were 7 people is our party, My two friends Pete and Mary, my wife
myself and my 4 boys and my nephew. We left my four month old son back with
my wife and the other people. Three of us were together at the end of 
the hike.
John Winston.