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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Looking for Net psychology/sociology group
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:14 GMT

Peter> == Peter van Heusden <vhspet01@uctvax.uct.ac.za> 

 Peter> Is there a group available for discussions of the social and
 Peter> psychological implecations of the existence of a worldwide Net?
 Peter> (Now and in the future).  This would range from discussions of
 Peter> how user's opinions are influenced by the amount of traffic, to
 Peter> the psychology of relationships via computer connection, to more
 Peter> diffuse discussion of remote access as an extra sense, as well
 Peter> as possibly extending discussions to future changes.

Someone has already mentioned both alt.culture.usenet and
alt.usenet.recovery.  Other groups that are appropriate include
news.future, comp.org.eff.talk, comp.society.futures, and a host of more
peripheral groups (much of news.*, for example).

I'm obviously slightly biased :) but I think comp.org.eff.talk is, if
not the only place to discuss this sort of thing, one of the best...
--
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         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
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From: john@nmt.edu (John Shipman)
Subject: Latin translation?
Organization: Zoological Data Processing
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 20:10:51 GMT

Is there a group where I can get help translating a Latin
quotation?

    cras amet qui numquam amavit
    quique amavit cras amet
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:31:18 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>The question of what hardware works is inextricably bound with what
>drivers are available....

I understand this point of view, but I don't agree with it: Where do
you stop dividing the hardware?  Just because you have a 386 and I do
too, your Dell driver doesn't help me if I run SCO UNIX.
-- 
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From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: HELP! How to create newsgroup?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:42:41 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

Hello all:

Please help me out with the procedures for creating a newsgroup.
Where do I submit my request and with whom do I have to deal?

Thanks,

Ahmed
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:28:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul28.081618.23404@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
>In article <6!mmy#_.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>
>>BTW, who are the proposed moderators? Jawaid would have my vote, but at
>>this point I am not sure about Tero. Are there others?
>
>Read my lips: NO! I REFUSE!

Hey, your lips are not moving in synch with the sound. :^)

>-- 
>-Tero Sand
>  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 6-1
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>   cust_ts@kruuna.helsinki.fi)                  00250 Helsinki 25, Finland

Rich

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From: dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFV: comp.sources.testers
Keywords: beta, testing, portability
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:07:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

votes@sparky.sterling.com once wrote: 
> This is the first call for votes for an unmoderated group to match
> software packages with people willing to test the packages.  The
> RFD was published approximately two months ago, and the discussion
> surrounding the group's creation were generally positive.  Time to
> put it to a vote.

Hi,

I tried sending my vote in, and the mail daemon told me the host was
unknown. I'm at Purdue, which is a rather major university, so I
should be able to get through. Do you have an alternate site I can
send my vote to?

Larry
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dev@ecn.purdue.edu |  is weak enough to be restrained..." -- Blake
-------------------+--------------------------------------------------
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 writing a book." -- Cicero
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.182508.4350@uunet.uu.net> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>This article is a SECOND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION on a reorganization of
>the comp.unix.* hierarchy.

We "just" had a comp.unix reorganization, which was heated beyong belief,
and was supposed to solve all of our "problems."  You think it didn't.  Why,
then, do you think another one will?

I am completely and totally against this reoganization.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "My psychiatrist says I have a messiah
sef@kithrup.COM  |  complex.  But I forgive him."
-----------------+              -- Jim Carrey
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
From: schin@pub2.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: us.forsale su-etc
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:18:15 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: schin@pub2.bu.edu

Hello

How can I access us.wanted and the various su (stanford university)
b'boards?

Thanks in advance
Neil Schier
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Kill prev. NEWGROUP(I orII)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:19:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Jul23.153710.483@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Diantonio) writes:
>
>I have recieved and read all your responses to those postings.  I have gone
>about it the right way this time.  A RFD will be posted here soon.  

   Somehow, I doubt the following extremely good advice, taken
from the "What is USENET?" posting , has been followed:

    So, you may ask: How is a new user supposed to know anything about the
    "spirit" of the [newsgroup creation] guidelines?  Obviously, he can't.
    This fact leads inexorably to the following recommendation:
    
     >> If you are a new user, don't try to create a new newsgroup. <<
    
    If you have a good newsgroup idea, then read the "news.groups"
    newsgroup for a while (six months, at least) to find out how things
    work.  If you're too impatient to wait six months, then you really
    need to learn; read "news.groups" for a year instead.  If you just
    can't wait, find a Usenet old hand to run the vote for you.
    
    Readers may think this advice unnecessarily strict.  Ignore it at your
    peril.  It is embarrassing to speak before learning.  It is foolish to
    jump into a society you don't understand with your mouth open.

The last couple sentences seem particularly appropriate in this case.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
Xref: sparky news.groups:16079 comp.os.coherent:3267
From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:11:29 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

albani@cadlab.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani) writes:

:kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
::I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Surrendering the word unix to AT&T is
::exactly what they want. As I understand it, they can have UNIX[tm] or maybe
::USL UNIX[tm], but not "unix". These OSs are designed to provide a unix-
::compatible API, putting them in comp.unix makes sense. Abandoning comp.unix
::to some litigation-happy phone company doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
:
:
:Hmmm, the real important thing is a posix-compliant user interface,
:or no?

Not really - the API's what really counts.  User interfaces have always
been replaceable on Unix (sh vs csh vs GUI-oriented stuff)...
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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:52:50 GMT
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

Any thought to also including a split of comp.unix.bsd?  The traffic
is mainly about BSDI and 386BSD in varying proportions.  Lately, with
the release of 386BSD 0.1, and the USL lawsuit against BSDI, there has
been fairly high traffic for each.  As long as we're doing this,
perhaps we could add the following to the list:

        New:
            comp.unix.bsd.bsdi
            comp.unix.bsd.386bsd
        Rename:
            comp.unix.bsd --> comp.unix.bsd.misc

I don't remember seeing this discussed during the first RFD.  My
apologies if I missed it.

The other changes as proposed look fine.

-- 
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"Pretenders I meet are making a trail along the way.         |    /oo \
They say that they know how to show me a path to guide my    |    <>__|
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From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: OSF/1 newsgroup?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:00:50 GMT
Organization: Software Licensing Technology Group

Why not name this:

comp.osf.osf1

planning ahead to add:

comp.osf.dce
comp.osf.dme

There is already precedent for this... just look at the gnu hierarchy.  And
it provides an easy mechanism for controling all osf newgroup traffic.

Marc
From: rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.advocacy - Underwhelming responses
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:06:26 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

In article <1992Jul28.022046.803@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:

>The response and discussion about this new group proposal are highly
>underwhelming.   There is barely a peep out of folks.  The comments in
>this public discussion period are not even up to the level of the mail I
>got during the "feeler" stage.
[...]
>If there are no objections, I'll probably go for the CFV somewhere
>around the 6th of August and run the vote for a full thirty days.

Maybe this is a sign that there shouldn't be a CFV at all?

Bob
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From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:00:25 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong):
:- 
:- in the same way I answer those who ask me why I ride: "If you have
:- to ask, you wouldn't understand."

	neither will i vote ;)

:- Enough already, vote early, vote often.    8-) [for the humor impaired]
:- Ride Safe

	ride without prejudice ;)

	- ravi


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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Looking for Net psychology/sociology group
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:01:06 GMT

>>Is there a group available for discussions of the social and psychological
>>implecations of the existence of a worldwide Net? (Now and in the future).
>>This would range from discussions of how user's opinions are influenced by
>>the amount of traffic, to the psychology of relationships via computer 
>>connection, to more diffuse discussion of remote access as an extra sense,
>>as well as possibly extending discussions to future changes.
>>
>Alt.usenet.recovery and alt.culture.usenet seem to deal with such things.

Also:

 alt.drugs.usenet        Might as well face it, you're addicted to news.
 alt.society.futures     The future(s) of society.
 alt.uu.future           Planning the Usenet University.
 comp.society.futures    Events in technology affecting future computing.
 news.future             The future technology of network news systems.
 news.misc               Discussions of USENET itself.

--
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:54:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.141409.23783@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams) writes:
>I think that moving .minix, .linux, and .coherent under comp.unix[+] is a
>terrible idea.  Check out the thread in comp.unix[+].bsd about AT&T suing
>BSDI on the issue of intellectual property.  Apparently, USL are going
>to be real bastards about this, and possibly endanger any form of free
>UNIX[+] that is in any way derived from BSD.  I would therefore encourage
>the net to use the "U" word as little as possible.

Since coherent, minix, and linux haven't a skerrik of BSD in their makeup,
how would AT&T get involved? I can see how they can argue intellectual
contamination of BSDI, but these other systems have no such heretige.

>comp.unix[+].* should
>go away, to be replaced by comp.os.unix[+].* (or perhaps comp.os.UNIX[+]TM.*! )
>which would *ONLY* be used for "true" USL licensed UNIX[+] versions.

No, I think that keeping the net aware of how many alternatives there are
to True Blue AT&T code is important, and besides who are they going to sue?
Usenet?
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.support.stop-smoking
Keywords: RFD,misc.support.stop-smoking
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:23:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul27.182303.22251
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock) writes:

[previous article deleted]

>Finally there has been virtual agreement on the name of
>the group to be
>                misc.support.quit-smoking
>                or
>                misc.support.stop-smoking


===>  The name misc.support.stop-smoking has been selected for the  
Call For Votes when it takes place.  [lon]

>Respond with your comments to lon@edsi.plexus.com or
>post to the relevant newsgroups.

>     Discussion has taken place since the 6th of July
>when the original RFD was posted.  I have gotten much
>positive support from those who have sent mail after
>having incorporated the current revisions to the
>charter.  I will continue to collect information for the
>30 day period and Call For Votes at that time.

>Anyone who wants and/or has not read the charter should
>send mail to
>               lon@edsi.plexus.com
>for a copy.
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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: talk.politics.* has disappeared
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Distribution: all
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


What happened to the discussion of the talk.politics reorg?

Was it dropped?  Was a vote ever called?

Was the person who proposed it shot?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio)
Subject: NEW Role Players Guides Group
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:23:48 GMT


NO THIS ISN't REC.GAMES. FRP. (or any of those)
I didn't give a good decription last time.  Please take into consideration
this newsgroup.  I should go about getting it made?

The group I am suggesting would have (and not limited to)
(a) Monster Beastiary
This would be a section posted weekly.  It would consist of new monsters's
decriptions, info (THAC0, AC, etc.), and ways to fit these into your
campaign.  Anyone could add thier own ideas and they would be added
to this list.  DM's and players  could both use this.
(b) New Spells list
This would be like the Beastiary in the way that it would be posted weekly.
Anyone could send thier own spells, be it priest or wizard, to this.
Feel free to NAME your spell EXAMPLE: Higler's Happy Shoes.  Spell
Throwers from almost anywhere could use more spells to cast and
baffle thier friends.  Every week the "Spells Books" would be judged
and the top spell would be listed (vote via e-mail).
(c) New Equipment
How many people look through thier equipment list and think
same old stuff.  Brighten your horizens with new equipment and armors.
They could be magical or non-magical.  Weapons, armor, misc.
just post like WEAP:Double Mace, ARM: Spike Shield, etc.  They 
would be compiled into one large collection weekly.
(d) Adds
Anyone that is looking for players or DMs in thier area could advertise.
Contact each other through e-mail and maybe be playing soon.

Anyones ideas on names for the sections (Grepkor's Shoppe, etc.), 
HELP running one of the sections (Name it yourself), or suggestions
on either the group in general, or new sections of the group would
be accepted openly.  Any discussions of problems can be ironed out
with me.

Mark DiAntonio
bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu

Keywords: 

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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: An aside on INET...
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:43:32 GMT

In article <14vr6dINNe3m@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:
>That aside, there's no reason why a random group of people can't 
>create a new distribution or heirarchy.

A new distribution like "us" or "tx". "inet" works quite differently from
any other "distribution".

>Do be careful, though.
>You in the end have to convince thousands of news admins that you're
>for real and that there is a good reason to listen to you.
>The INET people already did this.

Yes, and one of the things they said in the process was that eventually
INET groups would be folded back into Usenet. They seem to have forgotten
this.

>Can you?

For what Mathew wants to do, he doesn't have to.
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: What happened to my CFD?
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:07:33 GMT

I posted a CFD on 7/21/92, to this group and several others, all of which were
either pertinent to the subject matter or listed in the guidelines file I got
via e-mail, that outlines procedure for proposing a new group. The message has
appeared on sci.military, one of the cross-posts, but has not appeared here or
on alt.models or rec.models.railroad, two of the other cross-posts that I read
regularly. Can someone, prefereably the moderator, tell me what happened to my
article? Did it get posted, and somehow I never saw it? The only response I
have received has been from the one that made it out to sci.military. And, on
the subject, what is the general effect of crossposting to two or more 
moderated groups?

Randy
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:17:17 GMT

In article <2A6D9AE7.7A31@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>>In article <2A6C1BAC.4F2A@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>There is no [specific] home for System III.  I think that, given the
>>>small numbers of people using System III, that's not a great loss.

>>So add a comp.unix.sys3.

>But why?  The user base is tiny, and shrinking.

The same is true of RSTS, and any number of other groups. I read them
all, and have them early in my newsrc, because when something DOES come
in it's almost always useful or something I can help with. System 3 is
in the same category.
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:53:07 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>comp.unix.pcclone.16bit
>comp.unix.pcclone.32bit

Which is the important thing to be 32-bit: the software, the
motherboard memory, the interface bus, ...?

Coming up with a dividing line will be too hard.  I can't go for it.
-- 
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