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From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Number 6)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Many Questions About Dr. Who
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:48:11 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana



As a staunch defender of William Hartnell and the old days of Dr. Who, all I
can say is that these episodes, including the original appearance of the
Daleks are what started the series as a hit.  These shows, for their time
period, were VERY popular and many are considered classics.  To compare them
in production quality to the NEW shows is ludicrous (sp?).  The Web Planet
is a good *story* but was difficult to produce on the BBC's budget.  British
television of the early 50's and 60's was based on the concept of
"suspension of disbelief", something which many people today cannot boast
much ability to do.  These stories were not "abberrations", but typical of
the type of TV in Britain in the 60's.  Remember, these shows attracted HUGE
audiences in their day.  A greater percentage share of the TV viewing public
than the more recent ones (sad to say, as I like them just as well).

I enjoy watching the old episodes, despite their various flaws, because I
understand *what* the early producers had to put up with in the way of
budget limitations and style in the 60's.  I pay great attention to
Hartnell's performance, his interpretation of the character.  There is much
to appreciate in the older shows, but you have to accept that things were
different then.  You didn't have the luxury of CMX editing and you had to
let the occasional flubbed line slip through.  Shows were performed live,
straight through, with few breaks.  No luxury of editing scenes together in
the end. They shot it all on tape, each episode, on a Friday night...and
heaven help them if there was a major prop failure or completely flubbed
line!  Budgets were thinner than a shoestring.  It is amazing to me that
they could produce ANYTHING on their budget.

If you want some great insight into the old days, go to your city or
university library and look for a copy of Jeremy Bentham's "Doctor Who:  The
Early Years".  Great book!  Wonderful look back into the beginnings of Dr.
Who.  Remember, it was the original episode featuring the Daleks that
launched the show's history.  And many of these older shows find their way
into annual survey top 10 lists...

I apologize for the sopa box.

Neil Marsh
The NEW Whoosier Network:
 YOUR Doctor Who Connection
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From: Stephen.Davidson@dartmouth.edu (Stephen Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: drwho_1980.snd
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Sep29.165218.4762
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <80682@ut-emx.uucp>
davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan) writes:

> I found the file noted in the subject (drwho_1980.snd) on wuarchive.wustl.edu
> in /pub/music ... it was something over 1.2MB long, so it took a LONG time 
> to download ... Anyhow, when I got it to my computer, (a 286), it didn't 
> play using remac or replay. Is this a different format with a confusing file
> name extension that only plays on something like a real computer? :-) Or 
> what? Like ... can anyone tell me something about (A) What this file is 
> supposed to be; (B) What it can be played on; and (C) Where can I find other
> copies of the DrWho theme song (in some format--like that can be played 
> through remac or replay, or with modplay [a .mod file for Amiga])?

A) This file is the 1980 Dr. Who intro ...

B) You were right re: formats .. This file is for the NeXT computer
which uses the same .snd file extension as macs, etc...if you are
familiar with 
sound files then this is (roughly..) interchangable with the Sun .au
(Mu-Law)
format, to convert this file, use a program like SOX which I've
successfully used before to convert differing formats ... all of the
files in that directory on wuarchive are in that format (there used to
be a message there to that effect...)

C) I'm not sure where the definitive Dr.Who sound archives are (if any
;-)..), but a couple of sites are usually pretty good ..one is the "old
sound site" CCB.UCSF.EDU in /Pub/Sound_list/Who .. the other is the
"new sound site" SAFFRON.INSET.COM in the /pub directory .. saffron is
a after-hours only site too..

Steve
Steve.Davidson@Dartmouth.Edu
From: brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Doctor's medical qualifications?
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:47:19 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

Can any trivia minded person give me details of the
Doctor's medical qualifications. I seem to recall/
have heard somewhere that the character took a medical 
degree at Edinburgh or Glasgow. Where did this info
come from? Any help would be gratefully received.
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Keeper Of The Matrix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: I take that post about as far as I could have thrown it! :)
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:51:07 GMT


 Regarding Message : Re: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
 Written By        : bn823#cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) #26 @5

     . . . So I don't think that the BBC would even consiter dropping Doctor
Who . . . Personally, I think that the BBC is waiting for their Royal Charter
to be renued . . . And then they will make their final decision . . . What do
you guy's think?

                          -Keeper Of The Matrix-

  The Matrix: Doctor Who BBS  (209) 571-0347  Modesto, Ca  TARDISNet 1@1
From: chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor and Causality
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:29:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <19vigkINNnru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>
>In a previous article, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) says:
>
>>
>>Because it is fun.  Back when I first saw the "Empire Strike's Back" I formed a
>>theory about the Master and the Doctor.  That either the Master is the Doctor's
>>father or that the Master is the Doctor.  However, it doesn't seem to fit anymore
>>so I've let it drop.
>>
>>                                       Bill
>>
>How about twins?  With the Master turning evil because "Mom always liked
>you (the Doctor) best!"   (Of course some won't believe this because they
>believe that Time Lords are 'weaved from a loom'.)
>
>

The "accepted" version is that the Master and the Doctor were friends at
the Academy, then developed a rivalry which got out of control, and
became the running war we see today.

As for the Master being the Doctor, The novelisation of "trial of a 
Time Lord" has a future version of the Doctor being the villian, with
the Master helping the present Doctor.  I assume the broadcast is
similar.

-- 
			C h r i s t i a n  G a d e k e n

Yakumo: "But I really did destroy a monster in Hong Kong!"
Saru  : "Ahem, ahem"
Yakumo: "Saru, do you believe me?"
Saru  : "Where's my Hong Kong souvenir?"
From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Romana and Dave
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:21:02 GMT
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada

I know this is not really Dr who, but
does any one in the interverse know what
the address for where the R&D episodes are posted?
If you can send it to me I would be gratefull.
thanks Qshawn
smackinnon@mta.ca
From: jseaver@obsidian.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I still have not seen Survival
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:06:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <Men8N5u00WBLE49XsQ@andrew.cmu.edu> rk37+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard V. Kwiatkowski) writes:

>I really want to see Survival.

	No, you don't.
					-Jay
From: lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: TCI's address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:30:53 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu


Please please PLEASE repost the address to write to TCI!  I vaped mine
totally by accident, and need another copy!

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:01:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep30.235237.1465@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> There will not be any new Dr. Who episodes.
> 
> The series finished in the UK in 1989, and the unpopularity of a recent (1992)
> series of repeats convinced the BBC that Dr. Who was a bust!  Sorry, all you US
> folks.
> 
> 
> Love, 
> 
> Ali Spaerk


What's the chance of someone else buying the rights to the program and
continuing the show?  This doesn't mean the BBC is going to do something
stupid and trash the existing shows does it?

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
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From: haecky@tss.com (Valerie Haecky)
Subject: Scarf Pattern (Tom Baker)
Reply-To: haecky@tss.com (Valerie Haecky)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:14:17 GMT


Christmas is closing in, and I gotta get those needles
going ...

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From: nickp@BNR.CA ("Nick  Pitfield", N.T.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: More UK Dr Who Repeats
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:44:10 GMT

Good news for all UK fans of Dr Who....

I was reading some of ITV's teletext last night; there was some stuff about the
new UK Gold satellite station that begins broadcasting on November 1st of this
year.

This channel will be broadcasting UK archive stuff from the BBC and Thames TV;
like Eastenders, Terry and June, Benny Hill, To The Manor Born etc etc. It will
also be broadcasting DR WHO every night !!!!

Time to go buy a sack of video tapes folks....

Regards.


	Nick Pitfield.

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From: harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:52:36 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

There will not be any new Dr. Who episodes.

The series finished in the UK in 1989, and the unpopularity of a recent (1992)
series of repeats convinced the BBC that Dr. Who was a bust!  Sorry, all you US
folks.


Love, 

Ali Spaerk



Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ragnarok/Sylvester
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:33:53 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


	OK< here it is, Ragnarok play-by-play, who kills who as well as who

is there.
	
	All gods, giants and monsters are there.  However, only a certain 

number figure in prominently.  These are known as the gods of Ragnarok.

Here are the gods, marked with an *, as well as the outcome at Ragnarok.


Odin* is eaten by the wolf Fenrir. Vidar*, son of Odin, will then kill 

Fenrir.  Freyr* is killed by Surt.  Garm, the hound, and Tyr* the one-handed 

kill eachother as do Loki* and Heimdall*, and Thor* and Jormungand. Then the

giant, Surt, will cast fire over all the worlds, burning the worlds and all

the gods to death.  Except Vidar* and Vali*, Odin's sons, and Modi* and 

Magni*, Thor's sons.  Other gods will come back from the dead, Balder*, Hod*

, Honir*, and the sons of Vili* and Ve*. Evil Nidhogg, the dragon will also

survive Ragnarok, and continue to chew on the roots of Yggdrasill, even as

Lif and Lifthrasir emerge. (See my last posting).  

	Again, this borders on another newsgroup, but...:)  My apologies 

for not citing source material on my last post, I do it now.

	The Prose (or Younger) Edda, by Snorri Sturlson.  Ed. Finnur Jonsson,
Copenhagen, Denmark 1926.
	
	So as not to take up any more Dr.Who space, I suggest that any more

inquiries into Norse mythology be done through e-mail. 

		"Fearlessness is better than a faint heart for any man who
puts his nose out of doors.  The length of my life and the day of my death
were fated long ago."     From *For Scirnis* (anonymous)
From: rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Concerning violent doctors
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 22:26:15 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
>
> All during "be kind to Dave" month, I haven't followed up on any of Dave's
> dumb posts, but then he....
>
> >Warning Tom W.  your letters are about to be echoed.
>
> Now what are you talking about? What letters? I haven't sent you any letters.
> The whole net knows that your mailing system is about as reliable as the
> TARDIS in its early days.

Please!  You insult the TARDIS and the hundreds of Gallifreyan engineers who
toiled on the Type-40 TT capsule!  DSY likes threatening people.... he's
safe snivelling behind his TRS-80 terminal...

Anyway, seriously, do you think Dave ever knows what he's talking about?
You know, given enough time, a monkey will eventually bang out Hamlet.
(Oops, sorry: HamlMt!)

>
> >Is r.a.dw also known as rec.flame.doctor.six.violence group?
>
> or perhaps rec.arts.flame.dave.for.just.about.any.post.he.makes
> or rMc.arts.flamM.davM.for.not.Mditing.his.post.bMforM.hM.sMnds.it
>
> Now that group would have to be moderated due to its enormous volume.

Count me in for the rMc.arts.flamM.davM.for.not.Mditing.his.post.bMforM.hM.s
Mnds.it group!  Of course, you'll reciprocate by sending me a really
bleeding-edge contribution for the alt.flames.yadallee group, right?

Seriously, DSY makes it hard for those of us who actually like the Sixth
Doctor (Mark 6 in Dave-speak) to get any respect.  More  globally, I think
that he's directly responsible for DW getting dumped by the Beeb.

>
> "Of course, DSY will buy the books, the matching pot holders, the limited
> edition collector's imitation china plates, and the commerative toenail
> clippers...." -- an anonymous r.a.dw reader (who is NOT the Cyberleader)

Cool!  I think this is a quote of mine (at least I'm the one who's not the
Cyberleader).  I'm really honored to have my poor, pathetic anti-DSY
(pro-Mideastern-tyrant-gold-faucet-using-elite-class) little diatribe used
as a sig!

Mike Quintero (anti-DSY!! Proud of it!!! NSA, come and get me!)

 .--. ---------  *****> Mike Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us ) <*****
(OS/2) ---------                Doctor Who for President
 ~--~ ---------  OS/2 2.0--official operating system of the Summer Olympics
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:26:20 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct3.153439.23659@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>The "Edge of Destruction" had them going near the core/center of the 
>>TARDIS.TARDISs are made to be scientific outposts/"ships".

>"the Edge of Destruction" did not have the crew going anywhere near the
>core/center of the ship as you put it.  That happens only in the novelization,
>written in the late 80s, so this cannot be taken as canon.

True, but (to get back to the original question) they did get farther into
the TARDIS than just the control room.  We got to see living quarters and
such for the first time.  The only other glimpses we'd gotten inside the
TARDIS before that were the food machine in "The Daleks".

>Also, there is absolutely no foundation for the "Gallifreyans are sterile"
>comment within the series itself.  I have not yet read the Cat's Cradle
>books but even if they say this is so, it means nothing as the New
>Adventures cannot be taken as canon.  

That's something I'd be willing to argue about.  At the moment, there is
no Doctor Who production office to determine what is and isn't canon.  Most
of the final staff at that office, including the last script editor and
two of the last four writers, are working with the New Adventures people,
who repeatedly say on their back covers that they have the BBC's blessing.
Until the novels come up with something blatantly wrong, or until a new
production team finally shows up and clarifies the status of the books, 
I'd have no problem accepting Peter Darvill-Evans as a substitute producer.

I've never been one of those strict "if you see it on the screen, it's canon;
if not, it isn't" people.  After all, if you go that way with Who, you've
got to explain lots of little slip-ups, ranging from "we're immortal barring
accidents" to the hand holding Sutekh's seat cushion in place.  After all,
they appeared on screen...  :-)
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I still have not seen Survival
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:37:54 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1aidkeINN9n2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@obsidian.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <Men8N5u00WBLE49XsQ@andrew.cmu.edu> rk37+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard V. Kwiatkowski) writes:
>
>>I really want to see Survival.
>
>	No, you don't.
>					-Jay
>

YES HE DOES!

Steve/Iain
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Results of the Favorite Episodes Survey
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:42:21 GMT

bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>If "The Deadly Assasin" is the number one favorite, how come it's not the
>fourth doctors favorite?


Sorry for the late response - been busy.
Actually, the first 5 are not in any particular order.  They are just the
top 5 overall - not number one being the top most overall, the number 2 being
the number two overall, etc...  Most people gave me their top 5 in no
particular order - and stated so.  I believe I decided to put them in
chronological order when I wrote them down, but otherwise means nothing.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: THE MOST ANNOYING COM
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:36:42 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero) writes:

-
- From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
-
-
- Look, Dave.  The companion IS what is scripted!  You can't separate the
- two!  The character is what is written.  We're not insulting or
- deriding the actor/actress who played the part!  Most of us think that the
- character is either/or A) a pain in the TARDIS, B) a REALLY, REALLY BAD
- IDEA, C) Dave likes her/him, she/he/it MUST be bad, or D) the character
- did not mesh well with anyone, the viewers included.
-
- For my two cents, A) I gotta get one of those "Dave-in-ator"'s, B) There
- HAVE BEEN *BAD* companions, Dave.  You can't explain it away with
- "Bad scripting" or something like that.  The character is defined as
- what is in the scripts.
-
- Regarding Mel:  Yuck.  Peri was MUCH, MUCH better.
-
- Mike Quintero
-
 I am going to disagree.  Even in the early days, according to Patrick
Troughton,  the companions would take a life of their own.  Instead of
following the script, they wuld go on exagerating to infinity as it were.

With Mel Bush, a potential good companion especially when she was made out to
be a computer operator, squeaky voice, also trying to tell the Doctor watch
the wasteline and singing, tailor made for the 6th Doctor.  But when Sylvester
came along, it was quite obvoius that MEl wouldn't work.

Peri would at least have good agruments with the Doctor.

Pick your poison.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: About as useless a bit of trivia as you can imagine.
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:18:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep16.134604.5561@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:

>> In Destiny of the Daleks (the first show with Romana II), an open umbrella
>> is on the hatstand in the TARDIS control room background.  It looks like 
>> the umbrellas used in The Prisoner.  Coincidence?  Sly tie-in?  Was that
>> particular prop actually used in a Prisoner episode?
 
>You're right.  Not only is this a totally useless piece of trivia, but its
>the most stupid thing I've ever seen on the net.  Where do people get off 
>sending in this sort of crap?  Of course the damn umbrella isn't from
>The Prisoner.  Jesus, do you think they save god damn props from a series
>that only became a cult thing decades later?  

...gritting my teeth and trying not to counter-flame...

Mr. Mammone, there's a little key marked 'k' on your keyboard.  Feel free
to use it to kill any discussion threads that you find beneath you.
Better still, if there are too many such threads, there's another key
marked 'u' for unsubscribe.

I have no problem with useless trivia.  And for the record:

1) The Prisoner was a cult from the word go.  One of my friends has been
a gonzo fan from the first airing.

2) Yes, they do save props, even from obscure series.  There are still
original Flash Gordon props around on the market.  One of them is even
in the Smithsonian.

3) In the same story, Douglas Adams slipped in an in-joke to The
Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy (look at the author of the book that
the Doctor is reading while trapped under the beam).  Considering Doctor
Who's sense of humor, it's not entirely impossible that it was a Prisoner
reference.  Though unlikely.