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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: motos on TV
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:04:54 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <17deklINN5r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> In article 220892231031@kip-55.apple.com, ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:
>>"Shame" - story of a woman on a vacation/meditation riding her 
>>          Honda VFR750 who gets involved in a rape incident in small town 
>>          USA. Movie starts with logging truck causing her to do a 
>>          lowside. She repairs bike herself. Shows bikes and cycling 
>>          peripherally in a good light.
> In an excellent light.  The heroine wore boots, a leather jacket,
> gloves, and a full faced helmet every time she got on the bike.  She
> also beat the shit out of the would-be rapist by kicking him in the
> balls and smashing his face with her motorcycle repair parts.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the director/author obviously is anti-japanese.  we all know that 
japanese bikes don't break down.  in his effort to discredit 
honyamkawzuki bikes as being of poor workmanship (otherwise why
would they have spare *parts*), he has defamed motorcyclists in general. we
should all write to the television station and complain. 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I want my DOD number!!! (you better let him have one...)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:41:34 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

> In article <1992Aug28.210334.24662@news.nd.edu> Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:
> 
[ lots o' stuff deleted ]

Geez, I didn't have this much trouble when I got my number.

Douglas
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DoD #I'm not gonna tell    BMW #55821    Renting N56136
--
A dress is nothing but pants with one pantleg.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lane Splitting (was Re: Cager penile s
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:41:16 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 92Aug26084434@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>
>My feeling is that when riders do things that piss off drivers, even 
>if they are safe things, then it reduces the overall safety of riders.

Probably true, but I think it is largely a regional thing.  Sure, there
are assholes everywhere, but *in general* those cagers that bother to
percieve me, if they do anything at all, actually move slightly to the
other side of the lane.  If they sit in that mess every day, they see
motorcycles splitting every day, and it becomes normal and expected.

What's considered "fair" is also regional.  One thing that absolutely
amazed me upon moving to the South is how "nice" I'm supposed to be on
the road.  For example, when two freeway lanes merge into one, the most
rational, efficient mode of traffic flow is for both lanes to remain
full down to the choke point, then alternate cages from the closed lane
into the open one.  I was driving through a construction area where a
sign said, "Right lane closed 2 miles ahead."  I was cruising down an
*empty* right lane for 2 miles!!!  And people in the left lane actually
got *pissed* about it!  Seems idiotic to me, but that's just what's
"normal and expected" in this area.

I am sure splitting lanes here would piss cagers off so bad they would
hunt the biker down to pick a fight (a practice which is *far* more
common here).  Most cages in the Bay Area don't care.  It's whatever
you're used to...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winner of the Official(tm) (bs) DoD Ba
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:17:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <l9gnlxm.shoun@netcom.com> shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.141603.5615@javelin.sim.es.com> 
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>>>[about Arlo Guthrie's Motorcycle/The Significance of the Pickle song]
>>
>>Go on, pry that wallet open, and head down to the local discount/used
>>music store and pick up "Arlo Guthrie's Greatest Hits" from the bargain
>>rack. For $10 you get both the "Motorcycle Song" and "Alice's Restaurant".
>
>But is that the long version with Mr. Guthrie telling the story of how
>he came to write the "Motorcycle Song"?  The song itself is pretty
>weak in my opinion, but the story of how he came to write it (
>while going over a cliff, doing well over 105 mph, while playing
>his guitar, and squishing a cop car) is worth a lot more than $10.
>

Right!  As I said before, since the LONG version is impossible to find,
why doesn't someone who had the song "broadcast" it through net-radio?
I DO have the short version, the flipside to Alice's Restaurant, and I
want to hear the story.


-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
From: Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: I have my DOD number!!!
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Aero. & Mech. Eng.

In a previous article, I stated:

>chastised before the DOD community (wimper, wimper...). Where is this
>KEEPER OF THE LIST? Is he a DOD GOD, demi-god, or just some brown-nosin',
>pussy-assed pee-on who is forced to be some kind of newsgroup
secretary...
>
>SHOW YOURSELF KOTL, AND GIVE ME MY NUMBER!!!!
>
>
>Rich Swift
>DOD # ------------- I AINT GOT ONE YET!

I have been informed that the aforementioned KOTL is in fact not a
panty-waist, ass-kissing flamer. He is, more appropriately stated, a
righteous character. For it is he, this KOTL, no..... this HERO, who
provides the means to achieve the small amount of adhesion, of loyalty,
of PRIDE----that allows a group such as the Denizens of Doom to exist. A
group such as this, formed from simple-minded, yet proudly
individualistic men/women, is one in which turmoil and inherent anarchy
must exist. And yet there are men who take it upon themselves to turn
such anarchy into poorly organized, slightly less-than-anarchic biker
gangs. We should bow in recognition of the leadership that men such as
the KOTL provide... 

I proudly proclaim myself Denizen of Doom number 555. Long Live the DOD!!!

PS: Fellow Denizens, it has come to my attention from your recent
postings that your ability to flame is, well, just slightly better than
Grandma Swifts (bless her soul). I would hope that all flames to my
future posting shall meet the following simple criteria:

1)  Heavy use of profanity--- by this I imply CREATIVE use of profanity,
not the all-too-simplistic name calling I have seen.

and  2)  Heavy criticism of my intellectual and emotional maturity.

Live to Flame, Flame to Live!

Rich Swift,  DOD # 555         place .sig here
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HOV lanes
Date: 1 Sep 1992 20:44:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 20804@rchland.ibm.com, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>
>what are HOV lanes?  what does HOV stand for?

High Occupancy Vehicle.

Also known as "comuter lanes," they are freeway or expressway lanes in
crowded urban area that are reserved for cages carrying some minimum
number of occupants (2 or 3), during specified hours (the rush hour).
They are designed to encourage carpooling.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Accident Report
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 12:32:11 EDT
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

In article <3880125@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme
Harrison) says:
>
>Is that a trick question? :-)  I *really* like doctors with a sense of
>humor...I *detest* doctors who think only lunatics ride motorcycles. I
>*hate* it when they put rubber gloves on and insert a finger up the old
>rectum checking the prostrate out. Gawd, I'm overdue for a checkup!!!

Err Unless you have something on it's back up your bottom I think
perhaps he's checking your prostate.  Mind you, far be it from me to
cast disparaging remarks about the contents of anyones bum.
(:-)

Graeme Harrison

Robert
DoD191
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: I want my DOD number!!! (you better let him have one...)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:22:02 GMT

Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:

>SHOW YOURSELF KOTL, AND GIVE ME MY NUMBER!!!!

	And the Assistant to the Executive Assistant of the KoTL (that's
me, BTW) answers in between sips of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, "Nawww, ya
gotta earn it."  That's my job, you know, keeping you away from the
important people who have better things to do like ride motorcycles,
consume beer, and debate fizziks.  Besides, you're annoying.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: mel@derringer.EBay.Sun.COM (Melvin Cagle)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DoD shirts
Date: 31 Aug 1992 14:38:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mel@derringer.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: derringer.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: Thanks

      Tony,
        The shirts arrived last week but was on vacation and could not 
say THANKS....... They fit and look great.


Mel   DoD 0497                                             ;To live without living
      AMA 553782                                           :Is to die without dieing
      SRRA 8205                                            :Ride to live
      ABATE L15
      Honda VT1100 1989
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: randy's deification!?
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:34:04 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <797@zx11.UUCP> steve@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>]
>I have to admit that this has been a good week.  In the last 3 days
>I've been able to spawn off 3 different threads from Swift's post.
>While not as good as most of you, it is a personal best.  Hell, half
>of my posts don't even get a glance so I feel pretty good today.

I read news with a threaded news reader that shows me the reference tree,
ever since Swift Dick started posting, I've been wondering when thrn was
going to core dump due to overly complex thread references


I'm not so sure this is a good thing


** The first person who changes the comma after tree and capitalized ever
will be the recipient of the last 5 core dumps from all the 3B2's on site. **
-- 
I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: first woman crew member of the fastest ride (tm)
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:35:06 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization
Distribution: world

today's sf examiner has a story about marta bohn-meyer, the first
woman crew member of The Fastest Ride (tm).  she's been a pilot since 
she was 14 and works at dryden.

what i want to know is: do her feet reach the ground when waiting for 
clearence?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Earplugs
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:54:07 GMT
	<1992Sep1.020421.7697@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


In article <1992Sep1.020421.7697@wam.umd.edu> kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.033446.16246@colorado.edu> matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.020900.26184@wam.umd.edu> kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara) writes:
>>>Mack's ("pillow soft") silicone earplugs, available at Rite Aid, ...
>>>block out wind and road noise better than the normal foam type.
>>
>>What is their decibel rating?
>>-- 
>>-Alex Matthews (matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu)
>
>NRR is 22 db.


A question here:  What is desirable?  It seems to me that you wouldn't
want *too* high a rating since you want (well, I want) to hear well
enough in traffic to be reasonably alerted to loud traffic occurances.

Being a musician, my favorite plugs are some custom made jobs that I
had to be fitted for.  They're only rated at 15db sound reduction, but
that reduction is pretty flat across the hearing range, so that the
high end isn't muffled.  Great for concerts, practicing in front of
your 5 Marshall stacks, etc.

But for motorcycling, what's the conventional r.m wisdom regarding
plugs:  the higher the rating the better?


David.
--
+----==== opinions expressed do not represent those of my employer ====----+
| David L. Campbell, IBM PSP Austin       | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: NY Rte 17 sucks
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.015508.18766@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes:
>If you want to avoid interstates, you could take I20, which runs
>parallell with I90 thru MA.  I don't know if it's any good tho, and I
>would suspect it isn't.

Route 20 (NOT an interstate!) is picturesque but slow in the western end
of Massachusetts.  You get some nice views of the Pike (I90) as you cross
it far from the interchanges.

In the eastern end of Mass., 20 is very slow and dangerous.  I cannot
recommend any road other than I90 across the eastern end of the state.
Unless you want to swing up north by taking Route 2.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Slip out off gear
Date: 4 Sep 1992 04:02:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
NNTP-Posting-Host: danskin.berkeley.edu

My Magna recently got an annoying problem that sometimes when I shift
down from neutral to first gear to get going from a stop, the bike
will run forward a couple of yards, then shift back into neutral by
itself, and make an unpleasant noise.

Does anyone has had similar problems before, any comments?

Thanks a lot.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Zijiang Yang            |   Honda Magna 86 700cc, Kawasaki 89 EX500   |
|                         |   Dod # 582                                 |
| zyang@kuhn.berkeley.edu |   "When he gets money, he wants to buy toys"|
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: Re: Lubrication
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:55:39 GMT

In article <n2-n1rp@lynx.unm.edu> tjones@triton.unm.edu (Tom Jones) writes:
>I don't know much about engines and such and was wondering if somebody could
>tell me the differences between wet and dry sump lubrication.

Wet-sump engines collect and store engine oil below the crankcase, in - you
guessed it - a "sump". Dry-sump engines use a scavenge pump to clear oil out of
the crankcase and store it in an external oil tank (on motorcycles, the frame
is often used as the oil tank.)

The dry-sump engine is lighter and more compact, as the crankcase need only be
as large as the crank itself. Oil is kept away from the crank, eliminating the
"crankcase weather" problems (oil foaming, power loss.) Finally, the use of an
external tank allows a larger oil capacity than might otherwise be possible
with a wet-sump, aiding cooling and lubrication (the oil runs cooler, and
therefore maintains its viscosity better and lasts longer.)

Wet-sump engines are simpler, being that they have no external oil plumbing to
speak of. On the other hand, that big sump adds bulk and height to the engine,
and the oil tends to get whipped up by the crankshaft, robbing power and
foaming the oil (unless the sump is well-designed with the crank is located
high enough above it, true of most sporting inline-fours.)

Given today's advanced state of motor design (including thorough understanding
of "crankcase weather") wet-sump vs. dry-sump is more a packaging and an
aesthetic issue than a technical one. Water-cooled inline-fours tend to be
wet-sump, probably because having the sump below the crankcase is as handy a
place as any, and because the engine is wide enough that the sump need not be
extraordinarly deep. Further, it's the water that's doing the bulk of the
cooling, not the oil, so smaller oil capacities can be used (you GSXR owners
keep quiet now...)

Dry sumps to continue to see use on some twins and singles, where the large
crank and narrow engine would make for a very deep wet sump - and a bulky,
"automotive" -looking motor. I have to admit that my CBR's (wet-sump) motor is
not exactly the prettiest I've ever seen, especially alongside my (dry-sump)
Norton Commando or (dry-sump) Triumph Bonneville or (wet-sump) FJ1200. On the
other hand, that CBR mill starts looking mighty rosy when one views it through
the right-hand grip...


-Neal
[niall@c3.com]
DoD #0x451
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:06:35 GMT
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*>> Good advice accept for the 125cc part.  You have never driven in Boston.
*>> Get at least a 250cc bike.
*
*The original poster lives in the SF bay area, if I'm not mistaken....

*From: rpearl@athena.mit.edu (Rachel A Pearl)
*Date-Received: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:31:20 GMT
*Subject: beginner's luck
*Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
*Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
*
*Okay, I've finally enrolled inaOD motorcycle safelty  course and
*I'm going to learn how to ride that crazy thing. I'm pretty 
*psyched about it and I have a lot of support from a few
*biker friends of mine. I just thought I'd put it out to the group -
*What would be a good bike for an average sized 34 year old woman to start out
*on? I'm coming from ground zero information so any help I could get
*would be greatly appreciated.

Last I heard MIT was in Boston. 

*  Having just spent a couple of weeks in the Boston area on business (in
*a cage) I'd say the biggest consideration for a bike there is the
*suspension.  The roads are awful.  They are full of frost heaves and
*potholes.  Since watching traffic takes 125% of your time there isn't
*time to watch for road warts.  I must admit it was pleasant having spent
*2 weeks driving without ever paying any attention to the speedlimit and
*never passing anyone on the right...the west coast could use a lesson...

The perfect argument for a dual purpose bike.  All four of the Japanese
manufacturers make 250 and/or 350 cc dual purpose bikes that are a blast
to ride on the street.  If you are tall enough, and can live with a 
kickstart-go for it.  They are simple, tough, and you will go out of
your way to find  roads in the worst possible condition.  The only
drawback is they aren't comfortable for long distance freeway cruising.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Question from a "Newbie"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:54:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Watch out for forgers

In article <1992Aug25.185206.24782@isc-br.isc-br.com> 
carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>In article <17dbj1INN5r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:

[an kindly, intelligible explanation of the reserve functions of a
motorcycle fuel system in response to a question from Kendal]

>Note who gave the DECENT answer - a fellow who's been roundly flamed
>for his mean-spirited attitude and general irascible nature.  Will I
>_ever_ understand human behavior?

It's not your fault, Carl. Someone pointed out some time ago that
an imposter was occasionally forging postings from Ed's account.
I guess Ed hasn't yet managed to catch the fiend who is giving
out advice to newbies under Ed's name.

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The man without a number
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:26:54 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Steve Bade (steve@zx11.cactus.org) wrote:
: Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:
: ]X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C79D296001401C@rswift.aero.nd.edu>
: ]X-Xxdate: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:55:53 GMT
: ]X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
: ]
: ]This past weekend has been one of the utmost significance in my life. I
: ]ventured into the brotherhood of the DOD, only to fooled by a Denizen
: ]claiming to be the almighty KOTL and given a previously issued number. My
: The FAQ even tells you that asking the world won't get you a number.
: 
: ]the typical DOD lifestyle. I briefly toyed with the idea of ending my now
: ]meaningless life, feeling that having been duped by a Denizen that I was
: That would be a start, also ending the life of all your progeny and those
: who share any common genetic traits would be better.
: 
: ]do....end the meaningless life of Tracy Wiseman (alias
: I have it on good authority that Tracy Wiseman is well armed .
: 
: ]topping-off the ZX-10 tank and loading-up Mr. Mossburg with the OO magnum
: 		                               ^^^^^^^^  If you

: can't spell the manufacturers name (Mossberg) you probably can even load it.
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   This is a strange sentence.

: ]
: 
: ]They do have Usenet services in the state penitentiaries, dont they?
: ]
: They might but your ass is gonna be so sore, the boys obviously are
: gonna have a fun time in retribution for your in ability to 
  ~~~~~                                         ~~~~~~~~~~
                                     Weird word formation.

: determine who the KotL is.  Hell, he even replied to your
: pathetic other post.
: ]
: ]Rich Swift, DOD #...............................
:       ^^^^^  You sure ain't Swift in the spelling department.
: 
: Steve Bade
: steve@zx11.cactus.org

Good grief!  Do they have schools where you livein America?  If so, do they
teach you anything other than strange football and world domination?

Mr. Swift ought to be encouraged, with just a few lines of well thought out
prose, he has succeeded in generating an enormous number of replies and started
off a number of subsidiary discussions.  "Well done that man", is what I say.

By the way, my shaft drive bike doesn't seem to counter steer terribly well, I
was wonderi.....   "Aaaargh"  (sound of throat being cut).


Mr. Swift: Provocateur Extraordinaire!


Nick (the English Biker)   DoD No. 1069   MAG No. 73516

M'Lud.
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