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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: SpicMacay:L. Subramaniam(violin):LEC-DEM:Sep23:FREE
Date: 2 Sep 1992 09:26:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.
From: rudis+@cs.cmu.edu (Rujith S DeSilva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Black or White (was Re: How many Sri Lankans does it take ... )
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:58:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtpDtz.9FI.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Aug28.085714.16774@rdg.dec.com> elan@rdg.dec.com writes:
>In article <5130@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV>, m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K.
>Dharmasena) writes:
>|> I've heard at numerous occations a lot of Sri Lankans in the U.S. say
>|> things like "Is he/she American or black?"
>You hit the nail on the head!!!

Gotta agree.  A person can be both black and a U.S. citizen [*].

>It's the same here in Britain. "Is he/she English or Asian?"...

I don't think this is quite the same.  A person cannot be both English and
Asian, so it's a valid question.  What's important is why you want the
information, and what you do with it.

BTW, while I was studying in UK a few years ago, there was a massive rumpus
when some government official suggested a test for former West Indians who had
become British subjects, viz., which side they would support in a British-West
Indian Test Cricket Match.  Anyone remember this?  Who was the official?

Rujith de Silva.
Carnegie Mellon.

[*] America includes Canada, U.S.A., Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.  Why
should `American' refer to a resident of only one of the countries in America?
From: invite@asun44.matups.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: (none)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:22:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I agree with Mr/Dr/General/Field Marshal Dharmasena's comments on
our laziness or reluctance to contribute to the net.  All of us ought to make
every effort to make use of the net. I am almost tempted to say that
I miss that good old flame war era.

Now that I am composing this message, I have a question for those
Sri Lankans  (or anyone else) who specialize in  transportation engineering
( and also to everyone else).
I know that there are a lot of those who read this net. All those
Texas A & M Graduates cannot have dissapeared overnight!.

It is an unfortunate fact of life in Sri Lanka that we seem to have
a very poorly designed road system and a transportation system to go with that.
I have heard many complaints that there are too many private vehicles,
mini buses etc. that  create  gridlocks  mainly in the  suburbs of
Colombo, on any given day. Are these complaints well founded? How did
countries such as Singapore got out of this type of a situation?
Are there any plans to improve the infrastructure in Sri Lanka? (I have
heard that there are some plans to build a four lane devided highway
from Colombo to Galle ( and perhaps in other parts of the country as well?)
Does anyone know the status of these plans? Are there any plans to
automate the Railway system? I don't see why they cannot
run trains from Colombo to Kandy, Jaffna (or Vavnia), Galle etc.
every 30 minutes or so.
Is the traffic in Colombo area high enough to warrant thinking
about a subway system?

An interested Sri Lankan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: elan@rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco)
Subject: Re: Black or White (was Re: How many Sri Lankans does it take ... )
Reply-To: elan@rdg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:36:51 GMT

In article <BtpDtz.9FI.1@cs.cmu.edu>, rudis+@cs.cmu.edu (Rujith S DeSilva) writes:
|> 
|> Gotta agree.  A person can be both black and a U.S. citizen [*].
|> 
|> >It's the same here in Britain. "Is he/she English or Asian?"...
|> 
|> I don't think this is quite the same.  A person cannot be both English and
|> Asian, so it's a valid question.  What's important is why you want the
|> information, and what you do with it.

It's the context they use it! When they mean "English" they mean white regardless
of their origin - english, scottish,or welsh.

|> become British subjects, viz., which side they would support in a British-West
|> Indian Test Cricket Match.  Anyone remember this?  Who was the official?

None other than Norman Tebbit, ex president of conservative party of course.

|> 
|> [*] America includes Canada, U.S.A., Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.  Why
|> should `American' refer to a resident of only one of the countries in America?

When people say America they mean USA - the country rather than the continent.
That's the way it is. People have problems with this.

Some British hate to be called Europeans.
Canadians hate to be called Americans, although I can't tell the difference -
American accent with British spellings!! Even that is going towards american way.

New Zealender's hate to be called Australians.


Elangco
--------------------
Balendra Elangco			| Internet: elan@rdg.dec.com
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Black or White (was Re: How many Sri Lankans does it take ... )
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:44:11 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

>> John Bennett                                E-mail: jbennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.
> 
>> (The name might indicate that I am very white, but I have an adopted Sri 
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> "John Bennett" could be Black too.  Or one of any other ethnic/
> cultural groups. The point is; how can you tell?  And more importantly, 
> does it matter?  

OK, I consider myself suitably chided.

I am definitely not racist, but I fell into that trap easily.  Sorry.

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
From: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Black or White (was Re: How many Sri Lankans does it take ... )
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:53:54 GMT


bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au (John Bennett) writes:

> In article <BtADqq.1uu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bandu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jagath Sama
rabandu) writes:
> > In article <9208182015.AA06118@arcss5.FRB.GOV> pkd@fed.UUCP (Prasad Dharmas
ena) writes:
> >>
> >>	Q1: How many Sri Lankans in the US does it take ....
> >>	Q2: How many Sri Lankans does it take ....
> >>
> > Q2: None. They just shoot them. (how do I draw a sad smiley?)

>                          :-(


> John Bennett                                E-mail: jbennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.

> (The name might indicate that I am very white, but I have an adopted Sri 
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"John Bennett" could be Black too.  Or one of any other ethnic/
cultural groups. The point is; how can you tell?  And more importantly, 
does it matter?  

This brings up a different point, though this may not directly involve
John since he is in Australia.  I've heard at numerous occations a lot
of Sri Lankans in the U.S. say things like "Is he/she American or black?"
This really pisses me off.  Are we Sri Lankans *that* racist that 
"American" is synonymous with "white?"  What, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians
and others who are legitimately American, somehow "not quite American
enough?"  (This sort of remark usually comes from the older generation
of Sri Lankans; not your average college age type folks.) 

Why?


prasad

--
Prasad Dharmasena      Internet: <pkd@fed.FRB.GOV>     UUCP: <uunet!fed!pkd>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: thaya@solan.unit.no (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Subject: Re: Closing SCSL
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:31:28 GMT

In article <6952@stan.xx.swin.oz.au>, sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K) writes:
 > Hi SL netters,
 > 
 > Why there is not much articles now a days? Or else AUS side is onot
 > reciving?
 > 
 > Otherwise why cannot we start SCSLC, SCSLM and SCSLT after closing
 > SCSL?
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > Sri
 > 

what meens SCSLC?
(use standard english) why?

bye bye blue bird
Xref: sparky soc.men:15765 soc.women:16007 alt.child-support:3001
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Abandoment is not same as Adoption
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Followup-To: soc.men
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

Not posted to alt.dads-rights because I don't get it.

In article <1992Aug31.200759.6357@reed.edu> turner@reed.edu (English Muffins are important too) writes:
>I think people who agree with me on that he should have some choice would
>agree more closely with my answer than with yours.  But I could be wrong.  I
>hope not.

This baseline proposal has appeared time and time again:

A man has one week after he is notified for the first time to file papers 
opting out of fatherhood.  If he does not file within the week, it is assumed 
that he will act as father.  If he files papers, he gives up all right to 
contact with the child (presuming that the mother makes the decision that 
there be a child) and all responsibilities for support.

-EMP
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: Adults, Children and sex
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:36:26 GMT

Rich Soyack writes:
>An interesting technique, and one that seems to be very
>popular these days, which is, the victimizer puts on the cloak
>of the victim.  I guess you feel it works.  

You certainly do.

-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrcce.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser)
Subject: Re: Adults, Children and sex
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:37:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>I think the right thing for the older brother to have done was to stop
>his younger brother and ask him where did he learn to do that.  I find
>it hard to believe that the younger brother thought up fellating his
>brother on his own.  Many sexually abused children act out sexually.
>My suspicions are that this is what the younger brother was doing.

This is the point in contention.  Your 'suspictions' dont ammount to
much.  And the 'many sexually abused children' is not a very good
observation.  Almost *every* child acts sexually at one point or
another.  Ever play doctor?  Even babies touch themselves repeatedly,
and if you think they are just learning about your bodies, you are
only partially correct.

Why was what the younger brother did wrong?  Who did it harm?  About
the only thing that could probably mess up their lives is if someone
found about it and made them feel guilty.  In other words, without
the guilt, i dont think they experienced any harm at all.

>And no, I most certainly don't believe that the older brother should
>have shamed the younger brother.  He should have shown compassion,
>gentleness, and love for his younger brother.  It would have been easy
>enough to say, "This isn't appropriate, but it's not that I don't love
>you."

Why is it inappropriate?  Whats wrong with young people having orgasms,
either by themselves, or with another?

I had numerous experiences as a child.  I started stimulating my
genetals at age 5, with the pool jets. (I swam before I could walk)
I masturbated to orgasm repeatedly (average once or more a day) since
I was age 10.  I tried to satisfy my curiosity with other boys and
girls, and none of us were coerced or taunted into it.  We were well
aware that such activities would bring us scorn by adults.

The thing I resent most about my sexual experiences as a child is that
I didnt have a loving adult to help me understand what I was doing, to
teach me how to think of girls and how to approach sex.  I had to
learn that painfully on my own, when one loving adult could have saved
me years of sexual confusion.

We learn out sexuality from restaurant gossip and movies and tv, and
if I had kept all that learning, I would be one fucked up individual.
Which is exactly what most of us do, bumbling around.

My experiences are far from uncommon, and I have met many others who
underwent tremendous amounts of trauma (uncessarily) before they got
a grasp on sexuality and what they want from it.

<sigh>  next you are gonna say I was molested by the pool pump, I suppose.


.....jeff

>


Xref: sparky soc.men:15849 soc.women:16073 alt.feminism:452
From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Feminists ignore Cosmetics?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:33:45 -0500
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <BtywGK.M6J@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> slaury@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Susan Laury) writes:
>On the other hand, I've known men to claim they like women 
>without makeup but future statements reveal this to be false.

I think it also depends on context.  Most of the time I think too much
makeup gets worn.  Most of the time I think it's silly to wear any.
But if you're in a dress-up night on the town roleplaying kind of
situation, then makeup can look good to me.  (Though of course I have
my own tastes of what sort of makeup looks good, not just any old
Tammy Faye effect...)

Russ
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Men's Issues Newsbrief
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:31:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bu2Grt.M4t.2
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Sep1.024134.7681@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
#In article <1992Aug29.040317.18445@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:

[one man's fictional account of a conception deleted]

##Is this rape?  He never consented.  He was not penetrated.

#It is rape.  The man is not able to give his consent to sex, thus it's
#rape.

Of course it would be, if it really happened.  I think that
Hoffmeyer was being a bit dishonest when he mixed fact and 
fiction in his article.

#Of course, you know these staunch feminists who frankly don't respect
#men and their suffering.  If they're not becoming lesbians, killing
#their babies, or engaging in witchcraft, they're becoming nurses so
#they can rape unconscious men at will.  This is something Pat
#Robertson should add to his list of the perversions feminists want to
#inflict on the rest of us God-fearing folk.

Irving also created a bizarre group of "feminists" who
mutilated themselves to protest a rape and mutilation.
(I've seen some people argue that rape was the central 
theme of _Garp_.)  Few people would cite "Ellen Jamesians"
as an example of radical feminists, though.

Susan
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Impact of the absent father
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:27:05 GMT
Distribution: na

Bob Kirkpatrick writes
+ sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
+ 
+ > >Mothers' behavioral reports are often biased.
+ > 
+ > What does that have to do with performance on standardized tests?
+ 
+ When there is no control group, and the conclusion is based solely on
+ a single facet of an uncontrolled test, the value of the test is nothing.

Actually, it could be worse than nothing: some idiot could decide 
public policy because said idiot believes said study. Numbers never
lie,  you know...

K'Char
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Adults, Children and sex
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:08:25 GMT
Organization: Hmmm
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird


 Tom Chapin writes:

 The topic in question concerns sexual activities between adults and
 children.  One side comprises those who state categorically that there
 can be no such activities without the children being abused, and in
 fact that even bringing up the subject to children is abusive because
 the children are unable to reject advances without danger.
 
 On the other side are those who state that they have proof by their
 experiences that the first side is wrong.  Either they had such
 activities which were not traumatic, or they received advances and
 rejected them without any further undue consequences.  Their
 existence and experiences are a contradiction to the view of the
 first side.

There are two things wrong with this assertion (IMO), the
first is that it ignores the incest issue, the second is the
assumption that even if those "who rejected [advances] 
without further consequences" do not suffer those consequences
*now* they may do so in the future.

I also think any reasonable observer would agree that
it would make a big difference how you defined adult/child
sex, i.e., an 18-year old with a 17-year old, or say, a 
35 year old with a 5 year old - a position one poster has
already said is within the realm of possibility - and 
a position that quite frankly makes me ill.

I think it is a bit condescending of Mr. Chapin to 
pity the rage of someone who has had intimate contact
with sexual abuse, when it seems clear that Mr. Chapin
has had no such experience.

If the amount of rage is so great, one would think 
that avoiding putting children into this position 
even if abuse rarely occurred would be well worth what
would be lost, i.e., no societal condoning of incest
or much-older-adult/much-younger-child sex.

I hardly think it is much of a trade-off. IMO, if
it seems too great a burdern, then the Adult is
more interested in adult-child sex than the child's
welfare, and that settles the issue right there.

Dano
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Adults, Children and sex
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:12:20 GMT
Organization: Hmmmm
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird

I wrote:

  If the amount of rage is so great, one would think 
  that avoiding putting children into this position 
  even if abuse rarely occurred would be well worth what
  would be lost, i.e., no societal condoning of incest
  or much-older-adult/much-younger-child sex.
 
 Mr. Chapin replies:

 This argument is tempting.  But our society has not chosen to
 ban automobiles to prevent the risk of accidents, not to ban
 sexuality to prevent the risk of rape.  

Yet a reasonable person could argue the necessity of 
automobiles in society; whereas I do not think a reasonable
case can be made for adult/child sex: where is the necessity?

The ONLY reason which has been suggested "out loud" to
change the laws to allow adults to have sex with children
is out of some spurious concern for children:

 The issue here has not been the feelings of the adults
 involved, but those of the child.  

i.e., that society is somehow denying children some
pleasure. We also don't let 2 year olds drive cars.

Dano
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Adults, Children and sex
Date: 29 Aug 1992 00:26:47 GMT
Organization: Bullshit Detectors, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird

Tom Chapin writes:

                             Physical size is power in only some
 situations and can be far "outweighed" by other forms of power.
 In our society, women and children have far more power than men
 because our society gives them the ability to call on both other
 men as individuals or groups, or call upon the full power of
 entire social institutions (such as legal or police) to overcome
 the power of an individual man.  "Women and children first" is
 but one example of the power to call upon the power of others
 which we deliberately give those we deem weaker in our society.

This is of course, completely misleading and mostly inapplicable;
it ignores yet again that children do not see the world in the
same terms as Mr. Chapin does; at this point it seems clear to
me that Mr. Chapin not only does not have any children, but 
doesn't spend any significant amount of time with small children
on a regular basis, I suggest this is partly the basis for 
Mr. Chapin's apparent fantasy about how children view their
place in the world.

For me, this is further reinforced by:
 
 As I already stated, even as young as age three I had already been
 socialized to realize the existence and reality of the power I had
 over those physically larger than I, and, having been physically
 abused by some in a caretaker position, I was already aware that
 choosing not to call upon that power was a conscious decision on my
 part based on the costs/benefits if I were to use that power.

It is good to know that Mr. Chapin was so precocious (i.e., 
advanced in years) as young as age 3, an age when most children
are still having difficulty using language appropriately.

I submit that Mr. Chapin's childhood was unusual, perhaps more
advanced than the "average"; Mr. Chapin seems to have been
nothing more than a miniature adult, ready to call the police
should he be threatened, and all at age 3. It seems he feels
as his peers felt much the same way.

If Mr. Chapin agrees that he may have been advanced as
a child, perhaps he can understand why other people who
do not have children as advanced as Mr. Chapin was, might
be understandably concerned about relaxing incest, child
abuse, and statutory rape laws.

And finally, am I the ONLY one to detect any irony in
the following?

       Amazing that people can read words and not see them...  We
       who are relating out own experiences are seeing ... just how
       such situations occur where we find ourselves dealing with someone
       who is so involved in what is going on in their own mind and
       fantasies that they simply cannot hear what we are saying.

Dano

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