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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Info on Anthony Peeler???
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:13:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <matthew.712509683@pram.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>Seriously, what's the scoop on Peeler's criminal spree?  I know that one
>of the charges was dropped (the second one?), but I assume he's still
>at least waist deep in trouble.  What's his schedule for
>arraignment/trial/etc.?

Peeler's status is that he got an incredibly lucky break that I certainly
hope he puts to good use.

The first case which could have gotten him many years in prison was reduced
from 2 felonies(kidnapping,aggravated assault I believe), to 2 misdemanors
and he was given probation and community service.

The second case was dropped completely prior to the draft buy the woman who
made the allegations.

Prior to both cases being dropped/reduced, the rumor was that Peeler was
going to go to jail with the evidence available, so it really looks like
both women(who knew Peeler) decided to do him a HUGE favor and allow him
to pursue an NBA career. I'm glad Anthony has a chance to start over, but
if he was guilty, it seems a unfair that he was able to get off this easy.

Of course maybe after he signs a rich contract with the Lakers, the 2 women
will file civil suits.    

Of course if Peeler screws up again, he won't be give the same breaks,
unless of course he's doing drugs in which case they'll give him several
chances, ban him for life and then bring him back a year later.
>Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
>Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
>               		This time, *with* the oys




Russ Smith
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Where are they/were they
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:00:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Jul26.210004.26474
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I am wondering what happened to two college superstars. Melvin Cheatum was an
outstanding forward for Alabama. I believe his last season was 1990 and I 
expected to see him in the NBA.
Mel Turpin was Kentucky's other Twin Tower next to Sam Bowie. Bowie now plays 
with New Jersey, but what about Turpin.
If anyone has any info on these two e-mail me please.

Two others that I know where they are now (Barcelona) are John Stockton and
Karl Malone. Where did they go to college?

					Thanks in advance
					Rick Milleman
					Milleman@Athena.cs.uga.edu

"We don't know much about Angola, only that they don't have a chance against
the dream team." - Bob Costas
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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Subject: Re: Where are they/were they
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:41:33 GMT

The mailman went to Lousiana Tech.

Richard Gaines, Jr.
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 3 preliminary)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:48:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}}etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck) writes:
>}} 
>}} At the moment, standings are as follows...
>}} ESP 1-1 2			PUR 1-2 2
>                                ^^^^^^^^^
>Damn boilermakers.  What're they doing in international play, anyway?

Losing again, obviously.

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Georgia Tech
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:29:53 GMT

...............

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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Origin of Hoya Nickname
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:46:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.225500.1974@athena.cs.uga.edu>, milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>In article <14kjk0INNej1@agate.berkeley.edu> elrod@ocf.berkeley.edu (Edward L. Rodriguez) writes:
>>What is the origin of Georgetown's nickname, the Hoyas?
>>
>>Apologies if this has come up before.  I'm new to this group.
>>Thanks in advance,
>>-Ed
>
>There's no saying where "Hoya" came from, but does that bulldog logo look 
>familiar, especially with the little "G" on his hat. If not let me refer you
>to the logo of the Georgia Bulldogs!!

There *is* an explanation for it -- at the turn of the century, the phrase
"Hoya saxa" (very garbled Greek for "what rocks!") was coined by a few fans
of the school's football team.  The rest, as they say, is history.
(Since they really should be the Whats from that explanation, an appropriate
logo would be a question mark...:-)

Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
                  Support term limitations for politicians:
                 two terms -- one in office and one in jail.
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:10:58 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>Again, it makes me wonder..  Is it fair for an inner-city basketball player
>to score 700 on his SAT and get the opportunity to get an collegiate education
>(which could open up the world for the person), where another inner-city
>student, who overcame the obstacles, and scored 1000+ on this culturally
>biased test, may not ever get the chance???  Why should the minimum for an
>athlete be 700, where in some schools, a student with the financial means
>to go to the school is turned away due to his/her lack of appropriate 
>athletic skills???

In the state of Idaho, any student who graduates from high school (in state)
is guarenteed admission to one of the four state run colleges and universities.
Now, Idaho doesn't have an inner-city, let alone youth to inhabit them, but
I think this sets a good precedent.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:37:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

(I know I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm not known for doing that.)

In article <1992Jul26.085754.11456@u.washington.edu> dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault) writes:
>...the racism in that remark is against
>people who make no effort to improve from their position in life, and then
>complain because their life sucks...
>... There are plenty of blacks, hispanics, asians and any
>number of other races who get squashed by the system we are under
>...

You make some good points.  But, in reading your article I find the basis to
be "All of us minorities are being squashed by the evil system but
my group is able to beat it, so the system is good."  

So, which is it...is the system bad, or is the system good?  Should the
system be changed so there is less squashing or should the system stay 
the same?

I'll admit to having a little background and bias in the area, having heard 
arguments along the same lines from my the wife's relatives, who happen to 
be fairly close to your stated group...and who's inbred 'cultural superiority' 
over other minority groups makes me gag...until they feel that they are 
being squashed, of course, then they are just another oppressed minority.

- goober (hopefully, i've pissed off everyone) smith

ps: goobers are being squashed by the system too!!!  
    But we're able to beat it...long live the system.
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From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: Go Tennessee Vols beat Bama
    <1992Jul29.221425.6337@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:49:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul29.221425.6337@athena.cs.uga.edu> milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>In article <15547@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> iftekhar@elm.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Iftekhar Hussain) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Can any  football guru tell me what is in store for Tennessee Vols this
>>season? Thank you
>>
>>-Ifty
>
>Yes, an early season loss to Georgia at Sanford Stadium in September.


and an exciting victory over University of Kentucky? :) hehe
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Georgia Tech
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:50:05 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul23.171717.6667@colorado.edu> burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>>navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>>>...............
>>
>>Oh, no!  He's back...............
>
>Yeah, and only two days before I move back to the Midwest and lose
>my access to computer accounts. Damn, now I won't get to hear my
>daily drivel about how Shaq can cure cancer while shooting 99% from
>the free throw stripe because Dale Brown is the son of Christ.
>
>Darn, I'm really going to miss that.

Wow!  I've heard about him, I've read about him, I've even been accused
of thinking like him.  Now the legend lives on . . . SPEAK! O Ye of
little friends.

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From: brawn@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Andy Brawn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BAD News for Arkansas and UMass fans
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:18:30 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Jul23.120451.6685@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>                                                        
>
>For example, it is my understanding that UNC is willing to have
>one borderline student/athlete on the team.  I think J.R. Reid was one 

Sorry, Andrew, Wrong, JR was an honor student in H.S. and from all reports
a very good student here at UNC.

>Ferry), and I know they wanted Kenny Williams (didn't make 700, played juco
>for one year, and then went hardship (?)) and later Larry Smith (also didn't 
                                                           ^^^^^
							   Davis

Kenny Williams failed to graduate High School.  Dean Smith was looking at
Billy Owens at the same time and stopped recruiting him (or emphasized him
less) when Williams looked like he was coming here.  Owens was also 
SAT borderline and I believe Dean Smith said that he felt he should give
the exception opportunity to an in-state student.  We also should probably
assume that Smith knew Owens was leaning towards Syracuse.

I thought a read somewhere that, because he had Rozier locked up, Dean
Smith didn't go after Rodney Rogers (who was borderline while Rozier was
not).  OUCH

--Andy Brawn
  Go Heels!
From: elrod@ocf.berkeley.edu (Edward L. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Origin of Hoya Nickname
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:23:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

What is the origin of Georgetown's nickname, the Hoyas?

Apologies if this has come up before.  I'm new to this group.
Thanks in advance,
-Ed


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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: BAD News for Arkansas and UMass fans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: 24 JUL 92 14:22:14    

In article <1992Jul24.143331.150@ms.uky.edu>, aash@ms.uky.edu (aash) writes...
>In article <1992Jul24.85204.24929@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>>In article <92204.073715KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>   Both of the Baltimore Dunbar High School superstars failed to score 700
>>>on the SAT's and will not be eligible to play next season. 
>>>[ ... ]
>>>Donta 
>>>Bright will be heading to UMass and will sit out this season.  He said that
>>>he made his decision and will live with the consequences.
>>
>>Bright's reaction to his SAT problem has been impressive.  I've seen dozens
>>of "blue chip" signees bolt for a junior college after failing to meet the
>>NCAA's requirements; I'm glad to see one of the 'young guns' sticking by his
>>decisions and accepting equal responsibility for both success and failure.
> 
> 
>what is he really losing?  time?  he still get 4 years of playing
>if he wants them right?  and a year head start on studying?  he
>still gets to practice with the team?  
===============================================================================
It is my understanding that he will both lose a year of eligibility and not be 
able to practice with the team during the season.
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>-- 
>aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
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From: doel@ausable.crd.ge.com (Michael Doel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SAT's and achievement!
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: doel@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

In article <92209.082559KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>   Let me first tell you my background, I am a Sociologist, who has done a lot
> of research in the area of race and education.  I am also a former Division I
> college basketball player, Black, with degrees in chemical engineering and
> Sociology.  In the research that I have read and the research that I have done,
> there is NO CORRELATION BETWEEN SAT SCORES AND COLLEGE ACHIEVEMENT.  A better
> predictor seems to be class rank and SES (socio-economic status).  High school
> GPA is a predictor, but a weak one.

Kevin, are you saying that someone with a SAT < 700 is just as likely to
finish college as someone whith a SAT > 1200?  I'd find that hard to believe,
but if your research bears that out, I'll take your word on it.  I'll easily
accept that class rank and socio-economic status are better predictors, but
saying that there is "NO CORRELATION" tells me that there aren't even trends
showing that the higher the SAT the higher the chance at graduation.

I guess I agree with the motivation of Prop48, but it's implementation
seems to be a problem.  Perhaps they could use a formula such as:

	score = SAT_score + (GPA * 100) + (4 * CLASS_PERCENT)

where your GPA is based on a 4.0 scale and CLASS_PERCENT is 100 if you're
validictorian or 0 if you're at the bottom of the class.  Then, if
you're score exceeds some number (say 1000) you qualify.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Keywords: Flag, country, ashokan fiddle music, etc. redundancy, repetition
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:11:52 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Jul29.134118.21667@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>I also believe that all student/athletes should be redshirted. This would take
>a great deal of pressure off them and let them get used to college life right
>away. They would still be allowed to practice but they wouldn't get swamped
>with the pressures of big time college athletics until they are settled inTO
>college life.

Its not as bad as making freshman ineligible, but its stll unfair to the
really great players who don't need 4 years to prepare for the NBA and don't
really care if they get a degree or not. Sure its noble to try to help these
kids academically, and morally its probably right to encourage them to
emphasize academics, but take a guy like Chris Webber. He's a great player,
and a very good student, he would either be forced to delay his entry into
the NBA one year(costing him millions) or simply play one less year of 
college basketball(assuming he really doesn't plan on playing more than
2 years), neither of which seems to benefit the schools or the athletes.

If a prop 48 kid proves himself in school, he ought to be given back
the year he lost, but otherwise I think the system at the college level
doesn't really need any more qucik fixes.

The real problems are at the pre-college levels where kids who need special
attention don't get it, they get special treatment instead.




Russ Smith
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>
>					Dennis Joyce 


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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:49:53 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.185610.3657@ee.gatech.edu>, by wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung):
> 
> By what I understand, the admissions process is not quite that simple.  A friend 
> of mine who used to work in the admissions office at a major university tells me
> that a number of things are used to determine acceptance.  Standardized tests are 
> used, but they have found that these tests can only be used to predict the the first semester GPA.  A very complex statistical package was used, and by what my friend 
> said, the best indicator is the high school attended.  The way they work it is to 

Do you know how successful colleges are in general with their admissions?
Do the top admits (by whatever standard is used) actually do a lot better
than those near the cut off?  My impression (since athletes and those admitted
under affirmative action tend to do less well. what about legacies?) is that 
they are reasonably successful, but I'm not very knowledgable on the subject.

SEH
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:43:29 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Jul25.234739.69078@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>and their education suffers.  This is not to be interpreted as a reflection
>on their intelligence, as I think it is everybit as high as "white middle
>americans", but intelligence and education are seldom the same thing.


This is a very good point which needed to be made, the SAT does not purport
to measure "intelligence", only the aptitude of a potential college student
to perform in college. Some people can't take tests, this makes them score
lower than they should since most classes involve taking tests, but there
really is no better way to measure scholastic aptitude, or at least we 
haven't found a better way.

I would define intelligence as ability to learn, which I wouldn't equate
with success on the SAT or even necessarily in college. I had no trouble
memorizing all the complex stuff in astronomy when I took it in JC, but
I couldn't define a parsec now because I don't use it. I didn't learn
in that class, I memorized, which IMHO is whats wrong with our educational
system(or at least the one I experienced), they don't promote learning,
they promote regurgitating material.


Russ Smith
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From: max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Info on Anthony Peeler???
Date: 29 Jul 1992 00:28:39 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

I was wondering if anyone has the college stats on Anthony Peeler,
the Lakers' #1 pick from Missouri.  I have never seen him play,
so if anyone could provide some stats or impressions of him,
I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks in advance.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Nike Academic All-Stars Game
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:21:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <4196@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>exciting I've ever seen.  Stackhouse had a Dr. J like, full court running,
>take off from the foul line jam.  

Nope, no way could I jam the ball after taking off from the foul line.
Not even with a full court running start.  No way, absolutely not.

Oh, I suppose you were talking about the other Dr. J.  Sorry...

By the way, thanks for the article - I meant to tape the game but
forgot about it.  No indication, I suppose, from any of the players
about where they're thinking about going to school?

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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Prop 48...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:05:04 GMT


Jerray Wei replies to gArY:
>...accusing...murder...insulting...condescending...fight...
>...ass...divine...belligerent...shithead...utterly stupid...

- goober (ahh, the good old days) smith

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