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From: ghblee@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (H B Lee)
Subject: Re: weird instruments
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:16:09 GMT

A saw.  Not a chainsaw, but a good old (acoustic? :) saw which cuts
wood by being drawn back and forth.  I remember watching this Chinese
guy play the saw as a musical instrument in a variety show on tv when
I was younger.  I can't remember exactly how he played it, but I think
he clutched the handle-end of the saw between his legs (!), held
the other lengthwise end of the blade with one of his hands and draws
some kind of bow (a rod of sorts) across the non-cutting edge of the
saw's blade (like you'd draw a bow across strings on a violin).  (He
did all that in a sitting position, in case anyone wonders. :)  He
varied the pitch of his notes by bending the saw to different degrees
as he played it and one could see the saw vibrating quite a bit,
producing sounds that were most eerie in nature.  A variation to this
method of playing was tried by another guy who placed the saw horizontally
(instead of vertically, as done by the first guy) and fastening the 
handle-end to a support (the edge of a table or platform of sorts), but
otherwise playing the saw in a similar manner.

I'm also curious to know if anybody has seen somebody try this in
other parts of the world.  Hmm.

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:20:37 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: It's gettin' late
              7 Jan 1993 02:16:53 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:16:53 EST 8 megs of CDs said:
>From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
>>Can someone give me some info on Primus?
>
>Hmmm...well there's 3 guys in the band. Les Claypool plays a killer bass, and
>also does the vocals....

Claypool is a monster. I have Sailing the Seas of Cheese (I just could *not*
resist this disc :-), and I really really dig some of the stuff. Jerry Is a
Race Car Driver, Seargent Baker, some of the other tunes are really cool stuff.
It's not easy to get into - it's got a really *hard* punk/funk/metal edge, and
not a whole lot of melody, but when I'm in the mood for it it's got a great
groove. I can't think of another band that consistently uses the bass as a lead
instrument. BTW, the standard slogan for fans is "Primus SUCKS!".

Paul
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Date: 8 Jan 1993 07:01:30 GMT
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In a previous article, MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester) says:

>>what is the most bizarre instrument you have ever heard play music?
>>(the one that make you say, "what the hell is that contraption?")
>>Please describe the instrument in detail, if you can.  I may plan to
>>build one.  ;)

>Easy.  Futureman's drumitar.  Indescribable, however.

  Not at all indescribable, Ken. It would take a while to describe in
detail though. It's basically a mostly-gutted SynthAxe (the thing that 
Holdsworth used/uses -- I'll explain that in a sec) that has some extra
sensor pads stuck onto the face of it, and is plugged into some kind of
controller which triggers a number of drum modules and samplers. Mike 
could probably build one without the SynthAxe (good thing, too: even 
though the company is out-of-business and the SynthAxe itself is a pretty
buggy beast, used ones are still fetching $2-3k, I hear). All he'd need
is a base on which to affix some sensors (I hear that those little Radio
Shack piezo elements do a decent job... just cover 'em up with some
soft rubber pads for this application), and something like an Alesis D4
drum module, which will accept trigger inputs from such things. The D4
supposedly has a good range of sensitivity control for the triggers, too,
so that would help out here. I wish I had $400 to test this theory out,
myself.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:35:12 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde
              2 Jan 1993 21:23:31 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU >

On Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:23:31 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>Ok, the holiday film treat for me was Tous Les Matins Du Monde,
>which is a film on Pascal Quignard's story on the encounters of Marin
>Marais with Sainte Colombe.  In actual history, Sainte Colombe is
>a 17th century composer and viole de gambe virtuoso, who added the
>7th string to the instrument.  Not much else is known about him.
>Marin Marias is better known, playing in Lully's orchestra in
>Da Court, and a leading composer in the French baroque. At one

Stick with "Marais", please!  Marais is the god of gambists everywhere,
incidentally.  As an aside, Lully gets credit for the "first" recognizable
orchestra, "Les vingt-quatre violins du roy" (the king's 24 violins).  Period
observers were totally blown away by the fact that all the violinists
synchronized their bow strokes to bow up and down in unison (the first violin-
ist handles this little chore in a modern orchestra, if memory serves).

>source of his musical inspiration.  Gerard Daprdieu and his son Guillaume
>play Marin Marias (at different ages), depicted as a golden boy of sorts,

"Depardieu", if you please, sir :-)

>A friend told me that the New York Times said one of the reasons this film
>was made was that "early music" on "period instruments" is very popular
>in France right now.  Ah, a pure marketing move, an exploitation film
>all along....  no wonder it won so many awards.
>
>Jeff

Ah, this explains the posting I was so confused about.

Incidentally, there was a hot & heavy discussion of this film on =EARLYM-L=
about 6 weeks ago for the interested parties.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:49:08 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: distinctively speaking

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:26:13 EST spideroni said:
>
>btw, the knack was the group that recorded "my sharona." the short bursts
>of guitarwork that make up the majority of the song are what makes that
>one to easy to recognize quickly. i could probably identify it if i heard
>just one of them.
>
Yes, the refrain goes something like 2 16th notes low, 2 high, 1 8th low,
1 high, etc., with minor variations.  I got it on the 3rd 16th note, which
is probably about as quickly as I could have, given the song tempo.  (Of
course, in all this, I've simply ignored the luck factor--that you would just
happen to hear the part that hooks your memory.)
>
>>What's *really* freaky is to listen *once*--and get the reflex.
>
>subatomic particles called "hearons?"
>
I like it, but we better run it by Tim first (-:
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:59:13 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Class warfare

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:03:27 EST Michael H. Bloom said:
>> I find it pretty strange (representative of today's music scene) that
>> Brian May is opening-up for GnR I would think that if May hand to open
>> up for someone it would be someone with a different type music and different
>> crowd.
>
>Oh no, Queen-- especially Brian May's compositions-- was heavily influential
>on the direction of 80s metal. Actually it's no accident that you don't like
>the stuff, because metal has been systematically purging itself of its blues
>influence through the 80s. But now, with the success of G'n'R, apparently it's
>okay to sound like the Stones again-- I've lately been hearing more of that
>sound sneaking in.

I don't think metal purging itself of Blues, it's impossible, because most of
the changes they're playing is no different than the the blues changes
BTW i do like Queen and Brian May, I think he deserves a better audience
than the GnR audience, i also like GnR to some degree, (except Axl) I think
Slash has played alot of blues as has May.........L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:00:58 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Kenwood recommendation

I saw a Kenwood Int. Amp for 100.00 it has 150 watts, it's pretty new I
was wondering if anyone has had any experience with newer Kenwood equip
and whether or not you'd recommend it............L.W.
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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the thieving magpie

>From: spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
>Subject: the thieving magpie

>_thieving magpie_ is a double live album, subtitled _la gadra lazza_ (which
>probably translates to "the thieving magpie" in one of those romance lang-
>uages that i can't speak). all of _misplaced childhood_ appears on disc 2

:) :)
        It's "La Gazza Ladra", and the romance language is Italian. Not only:
the title is taken from the opera whose ouverture opens the CD. I might even
try to remember the author, but I don't want to be enlisted for "Mistake of
the year award" on 5th January...

        Ciao,
        Ticking away Marco

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:15:28 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:15:52 EST Tim Johnson said:
>******************************************************
>* WARNING: if you don't get the joke, don't respond! *
>******************************************************
>
>  Can anyone think of songs about rain, or with
>rain in the title?
>
SUBTLE MOOS!  BREATH TO HALL ZOO'S POSE!!!!!!!!
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Re: Sunday morning & lousy lyrics
Date: 10 Jan 1993 15:44:49 GMT
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In a previous article, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) says:

>After having been composing for a long night (till 6 AM), I had some profound
>difficulties waking up this morning.  My girlfriend was staying with a friend,
>so I had a day "off" -- and apparently one immediately falls back to bad
>habits then... :)

  Yeah, what is it about Sunday mornings which make them so conducive to
music-writing?  I was working on some ditties myself into the wee hours,
but then again I'm used to staying up late. Next week I'm training kids 
to do the job our day person used to do, so I'm gonna be grumpy next week.
I hope no one starts anything.  ;)
  Anyway, I got a mix done of one tune which has been halfway done for over
a year, so I'm pleased... that's the most I've accomplished with the gear in
many months. And I even splurged and put some synth parts down on this one
(albeit by the Columbus Method -- still no sequencer).

>The song used one of the most awful, trivial, dumb, ... sentences I've ever
>heard.  Imagine, being somewhere halfway between "here and there", still
>rubbing the sleep out of your eyes, a heavy head and the wind blowing outside
>on a chill sunday morning and then hearing:

>    I love you period
>    Do you love me question mark

  Heh... reminds me of that limited edition terminal that IBM marketed
in honor of Ron and Nancy Reagan's 8 great years of service. I can't recall
the model number, but it was the one with no colon and no period.

  (ducking the rotten veggies)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:36:44 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: um, excuse me?

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:41:14 EST Tim Johnson said:
>
>  Wait a second, wait a second....  Didn't you and I have this argument
>once, with you taking the *opposite* position?

Nope, don't think so. (As you appeared to realize further down in the post.)
(BTW, I pretty much keep all my posts archived just in case someone asks this
kind of thing, and knowing this list... :-)

We did, however, spar a little on the question of whether Philips historically
has introduced low-fi recording systems to the market. After being reminded,
in the latest Stereophile, that Philips had to be persuaded by Sony not to use
a *14* bit system (instead of 16), I think I'll concede your position on that
one.

BTW, while I'm on the subject of technology, apparently more information is
coming to light about Sony's 'Super Bit Map' process of making CD's. It looks,
again according to the latest Stereophile, like Sony is using a noise-shaping
process to shift the frequency range of the noise out of the spectrum to which
human hearing is most sensitive. Systems like this have been around for some
time now, although the Sony system is probably a little better than previous
examples. And the competing technology from Pacific Microsonics, HDCD, looks
to be gaining both high critical acclaim in the audio community and licensees
for use in manufacturing CD's. Again, HDCD can be used both with and without
any special conversion circuitry, though naturally gains are made with the
special decoding circuit. On, and back to SBM - apparently Sony's been using
it for some indeterminate time, and it's not a coincidence that they just
announced it as the MiniDisk is being released and a need to differentiate CD
from MD is perceived by the marketing folks in order to keep CD as the premium
prerecorded medium. This would sound even more accurate if the prices on MD's
were actually going to be lower than CD's <smirk>.

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:58:48 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      weird instruments

Mike sez:
>what is the most bizarre instrument you have ever heard play music?

a pvc pipe organ (well, that's what i call it anyways). i've seen it used
by blue man group (both live and on the tonight show) and i've heard it
used by a collective from south america calling themselves uakti (great
cd by the way).

so, what is it?

basically, the idea is this: if you strike one end of a open pvc (that's
polyvinyl chloride for you non-chemical types out there - it's a hard
plastic material) pipe with a flat object (such as the sole of a shoe),
it resonates with a weird hollowish sound. the pitch of the sound depends
on the length of the pipe. what blue man and uakti have done is to make
a range of lengths and then play them. it sounds way cool and looks even
weirder on stage.

hmmm. maybe an idea for the compilation tape. yeah...

woj
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:40:14 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One-hit wonders

Bonny Heather says:

> Wow! I'll play!
>
> How about:
>
> Dexy's Midnight Runners: "Come On Eileen"
> Men Without Hats: "Safety Dance"
    Bzzt!  If memory serves, didn't MWH have another hit single of of
_Pop goes the World_?  I think it was Pop Goes the World.  If so
that's two and MWH no longer fits.  Otherwise its great to see
smoeone with a similiar time reference to music.  This was alot
of the stuff I first started listening to.  I guesss that makes me a
wee toddler, eh?

> Baltimora: "Tarzan Boy"
> Saga: "On the Loose"
> Kajagoogoo: "Too Shy"
> The Men: "Church of Logic, Sin, and Love"  [a prediction]
>
> Heather
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:47:00 EST
From:         John Marsh <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Subscribe

please subscribe LIBJRM@EMUVM1.

Thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:36:04 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Who would you choose?

A local club owner has a big Crawfish boil party and the entertainment
in the past has been Marcia Ball, but not this year. He tried to get the
Neville Bros, but wasn't able to. Who would you choose that has a "name"
and is in the 15 thousand range. I suggested Johnny Winter, give me some
names so i can make sure he gets a good act..It's a Blues type party..L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:02:52 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ALLMUSIC COMPILATION TAPE ANNOUNCEMENT (changes/additions)
              6 Jan 1993 16:19:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:19:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>6) If someone wants to make up some kind of booklet or something with
>*  contributors pictures and comments, etc., like that was done for the last
>*  one, let me know. If someone wants to draw up a neat design for the tape
>*  cover, let me know. Otherwise, we will just include only songs, artists,
>*  and contributors names. I AM OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE.
>*  (2 people have already volunteered to do the tape cover)

BTW, I have fairly decent printing capabilities. I have a Mac & laser printer
at home (though it's not PostScript capable), a friend who is a graphics nut,
and access, if I need it, to a good PS printer, so I can probably make
provisions to handle printing labels, graphics etc. to distribute with the
tapes. I normally, when making tapes for friends, at least make a custom,
laser-printed label listing the contents of the tape.

Paul, the distribution guy
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:49:37 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Impulse Engines, Free Country, Gettin' Late

Ken Koester <MAINT2%ERS.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> asks:

>I'd almost get it to get another "John Barleycorn" but a review
>from an afficionado would be most welcome.

I liked _Low Spark_ much better, and if you haven't got it, get it!
I have _John Barleycorn Must Die_ but only thought it was ordinary.
On the other hand, I haven't listened to it for 10 years, so if
it hasn't disappeared, I'll give it another chance.  Or is this
another famous Rev. Bob Brain Fart?

8 megs of CDs <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> sez:

> I think that Rev. Bob (my pick for the
>sexiest ALLMUSICer) is the resident Primus nut.

Thanks again, Gary, for your correct assessment of my sexyicity,
but I have to plead innocent on the Primus thing, since all I have
is STSOC.  I agree that Les Claypool is a monster.  I seem to
recall that Primus opened for a band that another monster bass
player was in (might be Tony Levin) and even he was sitting
there with his eyes bugged out at Les's technique.  STSOC is very
definitely funk and not rock, so gear your expectations accordingly.

Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM> asks about reefer madness.
Check out a book by Abbie Hoffman called _Steal This Drug Test_.
The problem with checking for mary jane (supercheese, wacky
tobacky) in the blood or urine is that there's no test for
THC (tetrahydrocannabinol?).  All you can test for are its
secondary metabolites, and fortunately (or un-) there are other
things that show up the same.  It's a really shitty test, since
it tells not whether you are stoned, but whether you were
stoned sometime.

I seem to recall that it was sesame seeds that show up as ganja,
so say you just ate a big mac for lunch, and don't forget to put
down *every* legal drug you take (vitamin pills, Seldane, Contac)
on the questionnaire.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

Here's a question posed to you medical types, or those of you who
may have an answer or idea. I've had some job interviews this
week, and some look promising. But now that I've had a moment to
consider the specter of full time employment again, I'm wondering
about the dreaded drug-test for the first time ever. Now please, if
there are any right-wing goody two-shoes out there, don't pass judgement
on me yet. I only indulge in a joint from time to time, and this past
New Years was one of them times. I've been told that the THC will linger
in your innards for up to a month, but I've also heard only seven days.
Personally, I'd guess two hours, but I'd probably be wrong. So I guess
the question is, how long with it take before it won't show up? And also,
are there any wifes-tale remedies out there for hiding the evidence that
are reliable? Any advice would be appreciated.

Regards,
  -- Gary
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