HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Propagation Statistics
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.191035.17502@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
> 
>    I got curious about readership and propagation statistics 
> for this group, and looked them up in news.lists recently. 

Healthy curiosity - we need some people who keep an eye on news
groups - news.groups, news.lists, news.announce.newgroups etc.

> soc.culture.indian.american seemed to be still carried by 
> some sites and had 3900 people listed as readers !
> 

I am amazed, but it feels good !

> We did better than at least one other group in the s.c.i. heirarchy,
> s.c.i.telugu, which had  5100 readers, and seemed to do slightly 
> better than s.c.i.telugu in terms of propagation, with 38 % of sites 
> in the entire sample carrying us compared to 35 % carrying s.c.i.t. 
> 
> At some stage we should be thinking about becoming a soc. group, 
> I don't know when it will be six months since the last (renaming) 
> vote was held, but it should be coming up pretty soon. 

How would you like to take a lead in this endeavour ?
Any other volunteers ? We need a group of people this time.
I am not going to be a part of it (Fortunately or unfortunately :-)
Venkatraman Raghavan, Purna, Mary Anne (Amirthi), Manish Vij, Tapesh etc.
may do better ...

I notice that Trina is back. Welcome back Trina  ...

> This is the from the USENET readership report for Sep 92.
> 
> The figure in the first column is the numerical rank in the original list.
> 
> 
> 
>         +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
>         |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
>         |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
>         |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
>         |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
>         |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
>         |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
>         |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
>         |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
>         V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
> 
> 
>   24  62000  2040   71%  2188  5052.9    24%  0.11   4.4%  s.c.i 
>  263  25000   825   69%   498  1210.0    18%  0.07   1.8%  s.c.a.a.
> 1133   7200   236   38%    85   245.2     3%  0.03   0.5%  a.c.us.a-i 
> 1309   5100   169   35%     -       -      -     -   0.4%  s.c.i.t 
> 1400   3900   128   36%    10    10.0    10%  0.00   0.3%  s.c.i.a 
> 

Any stat on s.c.t. ?

Alok
From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: Indian women and Indian men...:-)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:58:06 GMT

=============================
 moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>....  The problem is
>generally that they come to the date with certain expectations for
>what an Indian woman will be like.  Often either a) the expectations
>get shot out of the water and they suddenly realize that they're not
>as open-minded as they thought they were...at least not where Indian
>girls are concerned....or b) we have so little in common,
>attitude-wise, that it's very difficult to communicate.

 Perfectly said. And, I can attest to this viewpoint based on some of
 II and IA acquaintances I have. In fact, if I may venture to add,
 the expectations tend to be "more" hightened in reverse too. It seems,
 both individual's are looking for clues to justify their expectations and
 fears.... 
 Thats not all.
 This problem is far more universal than being just about II and IA... but
 thats not in the charter of this newsgroup :-)

 It is best to not "expect" anything and anyone to be some fantasy of 
 yours. Just treat her like an individual with an identity and soul of her
 own. And not a mirror reflecting the past. She is she, unique. Just
 explore and discover who she really is. Find out whether she is your type.
 Her happiness is not your responsibility and your happiness ain't her's.
 If you accept this, then you will see why dating II or IA is hardly the
 point. Because one dates the woman, and not the "IA." 

>P.S. - Just for the record, I have dated some perfectly nice Indian guys 
>(who I just couldn't connect to), and some jerks.  Frankly, the
>Americans have a better record at this point.
>
>The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
>Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
>And you, you are a thousand miles away,
>There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem

 i am not a nice guy. i am just me. Does that mean I am no longer welcome
 to chicago? for that chocolate in the two cups...... :|
 
T.Y.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mgundeko@ad-6.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Salman Khan, stud of Bombay
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:17:49 GMT

In article <1a5dbmINN5on@agate.berkeley.edu> agarwal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tushar Agarwal) writes:
>an example of a guy who has had his ego stroked so much that he thinks he's
>god gift to women. 


And won't this guy be terribly pleased (if) when he comes to know that
a bunch of educated netters in Amrika and possibly a considerable part
of this world based on the distribution, if not down right morons, are 
discussing about him? Gee, if I were him, I would buy a PC and even learn
how to use it!

Talking about studs in Bombay, is it in the cameras or the media or the
Indian people that they somehow can't get over a guy or gal after watching
a movie, but have to discuss his/her skin, eyes, teeth, hair, etc.? If
you ask me what did I do after watching Bo Derek in that
stranded-in-that-island-with-lots-of-sex movie, I was damn irritated
for being stuck in the middle of urban decadence with a bunch of
no-good women in the night clubs and neighborhoods. Bo Derek, for me,
represented that freedom I craved for. Don't mistake me for not being
able to appreciate her nudity. I have no idea how she looked
(especially now) in the real life, but 'am sure she is nothing like in
that movie. That's the Hollywood glitz! Now, Salman is glitzified by
the Bollywood! But then, is he for real? 

Well, don't bother, I know the answer. Hardly any movie produced in
Bollywood or Hollywood has the real thang.

Murthy


Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Liberal politicians can be racists too
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:07:32 GMT

In article <26SEP199201453227@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu> sklautky@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Stephen Klautky) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.205143.15564@nas.nasa.gov>
>raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
>>IMHO, politicians will take any side that gets them votes. So there
>>is nothing that prevents a politician from being a racist with a 
>>liberal mask (Senator Byrd's and Governor Wallace's?).
>
>I think its generally true but I can't see that being exclusively
>the case.

Sorry. I didn't mean to point finger at any politician, but was
responding to Ron Hira's comment that in state with several liberal
politicians (Massachusetts) racism is common. May be this is due to the
conservative attitudes of people over there.

>> Also the 
>>'country club mentality' allows people to be bigots in the privacy
>>of their homes, (ie, thinking that it is okay to have different rules 
>>for different people).
>
>Actually, the privacy of your own home allows you to be a bigot.
>People can be bigots even if they don't think that they have
>different rules for different people.

I don't understand that. Why should people worry if their neighbor
or a person they share an office with is one of their own kind or a 
martian, as long as they are working towards the same goals (good
family, good place to live or work etc).

>BTW, I know what you mean by "different rules for different people"
>but strictly speaking we need those sometimes.  Such as when you
>meet a politician on the street vs when you meet your mother on the
>street.  :-)

Sure. It is alright if the differences are used to help somebody
without hurting somebody else. If everybody understands life and
help each other we don't need any laws. (We all probably have a 
circle of family and friends were trust plays a bigger part than 
rules and regulations.)

Regards,
Raghavan

Wrote this posting in a hurry. I apologise if I sound very
confusing.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: age of "control"?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:13:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.201450.11787@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>(Total side note:  This may well be a reason more liberated Indian
>women don't date Indian guys....they have given up all right to them
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>by traditional rules...and they never know whether the next Indian guy
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>they meet will be shocked and horrified to find out that they've dated
>Americans.  It's easier to avoid Indian guys altogether.)
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wa -   hang o -   whooooa -  hold on a dadgang midgit!

I hope you're talking II guys, not IA guys, because very few IA guys
I know plan on participating in the arranged marriage system.

Shocked and horrified that they've dated Americans?  Again, I hope
you're talking II, because IA ain't that way.

And by "more liberated Indian women," do you mean IA on the less-
conservative side of the spectrum?   

I and many of my IA guy friends don't date II women not because
"we've given up all rights to them by tradition rules" but because
they tend to have an entirely different world-view than we do.

Manish
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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: age of "control"?
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: /usr/ug/1993/msanghvi/.organization
	<1992Sep22.204513.3316@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep27.201450.11787@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Sep29.191329.18864@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:47:45 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.191329.18864@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:

   In article <1992Sep27.201450.11787@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
   >
   >(Total side note:  This may well be a reason more liberated Indian
   >women don't date Indian guys....they have given up all right to them
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >by traditional rules...and they never know whether the next Indian guy
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >they meet will be shocked and horrified to find out that they've dated
   >Americans.  It's easier to avoid Indian guys altogether.)
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Wa -   hang o -   whooooa -  hold on a dadgang midgit!

   I hope you're talking II guys, not IA guys, because very few IA guys
   I know plan on participating in the arranged marriage system.

None of the "II" friends I have "plan on participating in the arranged
marriage system" either. 

   Shocked and horrified that they've dated Americans?  Again, I hope
   you're talking II, because IA ain't that way.

There are a helluva lot IAs out here who treat Indian girls/women like
sluts/whores simply beacuse they have been out with non-Indians

   And by "more liberated Indian women," do you mean IA on the less-
   conservative side of the spectrum?   

   I and many of my IA guy friends don't date II women not because
   "we've given up all rights to them by tradition rules" but because
   they tend to have an entirely different world-view than we do.

Agreed there is quiet a big diffrence between the II perspective and the IA
perspective of things. That is something I have learnt the hard way. But that
still doesnt mean that I have blown off IA women (no I am not II but I am not
IA either...I am somewhere in between). I know quiet a few II women who would
make good companions for an IA guy. "Times they are a changin' " back home and
you'll be surprised as to how much alike things are starting to be.


increase the peace
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From: agarwal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tushar Agarwal)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Salman Khan, stud of Bombay
Date: 27 Sep 1992 22:41:58 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu


	For the benefit of Indo-american readers out there who have been 
unexposed to the Salman Khan cult, here is some information on this Hindi
film stud who made many Indian hearts flutter when he performed in Oakland,CA
a week ago. His breakthrough film was "Maine Pyar Kiya", in the same
boy-meets-girl etc. mould as that hit Aamir Khan vehicle "Qayamat se qayamat
tak". The film was indeed very good, great songs, while there wasn't much in
the way of acting, Salman Khan did a great job of looking pretty for the
girls, and ever since he has been playing the lover boy role against the
younger actresses such as Neelam, Ravina Tandon, and Karishma Kapoor. I
didn't think much of his more recent films, but "Saajan" is definitely worth
a watch, being a more serious movie with a twist.

	Earlier, my roomate was wondering on the newsgroup why so many 
conservative desi women went gaga over his presence. I know a girl who 
touched him who hasn't washed her right hand for a week. Well, he is
generally thought of as a looker, he has huge eyes and pretty cool hair,
but what many people don't realize (due to camera tricks) is how short he
is. Like Aamir Khan, he's only about 5'7", and downright puny compared to 
some of the older actors like Sanjay Dutt. That's why he has been popular
only in young lover boy roles, not the fighter roles that Sanjay Dutt does.
One thing I'll concede, he's a helluva dancer from what I saw on stage.

	Recently, Salman Khan has been coming in for a lot of flak for being
a spoiled brat, and having an ego problem. These things one does not see on
film or stage because a film star always has to show his best side to the 
public, even if it is artificial. The girls I talk to do not seem to be put
off by his reputation for being a womaniser, I suppose that's part of his
sexual appeal to the opposite sex. But let me tell you a story about him
that may shed some light on this guy. A female friend of mine was in Bombay
and somehow she met Salman Khan at one of those high-society parties. Salman
apparently took a liking to her, but she did not reciprocate, already being
in a relationship. When she left the party, she realized that her driver was
taking her in the wrong direction from her home, and questioned him.
Apparently, Salman Khan had told the driver to follow his car to his home.
My friend was furious and told the driver to turn back. And there you have
an example of a guy who has had his ego stroked so much that he thinks he's
god gift to women. 


- Tushar Agarwal.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Interracial Dating (Contd.)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:05:10 GMT


Some more from s.c.a.a. on the same thread. 


=============================================================================

In article <1992Oct1.015615.22299@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY) writes:
>
>>there is frequently some resentment on the part of Asian-American men
>>towards Asian-American women having to do with interracial relationships.
>>
>>Why should there be such a sentiment? Then again, am I misreading something?
>>Anyone care to enlighten me?
>
>Actually, the resentment comes from the reality or perception that:
>
>1. Most Asian-American women can get dates with white men whether they'd
>   prefer it or not, and many seem open to it;
>
>2. Asian-American men can't get dates with white women whether they'd
>   prefer it or not; and,
>
>3. Many Asian-American women's preference to dates with white men will
>   preclude any opportunities for Asian-American men who'd prefer them.
>
>These are gross generalizations, of course ...
>
>Luckily, I haven't had that problem (#2, maybe #3) to the extent
>reported by other people ... (-;  (Conversely, I don't have any
>problems with who dates whom ...)
>
>gld
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:25:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.233842.26140@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.154700.29073@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
>
>>Similarly,
>>Indian men brought up here are quite likely to be empathetic to 
>>the feelings and aspirations of women on account of their own 
>>automatic lower status.
>
>What automatic lower status?  I have always been treated as an
>American, which I am.  While I realize that in some areas of the
>country Indians are more subject to racial prejudice, this is
>certainly not true everywhere.
>
>> -- Satyen
>
> - Amirthi (who is getting more and more bewildered by all this)
>

I have been treated like an "AMERICAN" most everywhere also.  But, you'd
be surprised as to how common racial prejudice really is.  I have had the
opportunity to travl around the U.S. on business from Richmond, VA to
Denver, CO including AL (podunk towns), OK (podunk towns), TX (podunk towns 
Dallas, Houston, Beaumont, Texas City, etc...) and i've seen it everywhere
I have gone.  In Alabama I was called a "Camel Jock".  In VA they didn't
know what I was but seemed to look like an Italian.  Mainly I noticed the
prejudicism in small towns, not as much in the larder cities.  But don't
fool yourself, I have an IA friend/client who was less than pleased with
my management.  Let's just my management was less than responsive to his
comments.  Of course, my management was recently replaced because of this.

The key to prejudicsim is to realize it's there, but don't let it get in
your way or blame it for your own short-commings.

Maybe, i've seen it more ofter than you because I'm in the petrochemical
engineering /construction business and have been around more "good old
boys" and traveled to a lot of small "podunk" towns that you might have.
My American friends do not understand the idea as well as I.  I also don't
think most americans can understand the idea because their little sister
probably never came home crying because some kid had called her a "nigger".  
Kid maybe innocent, but they can be cruel.  It's not just parents.

Puneet (D-Poon)
VCD 

EveryOne's Entitled to your Opinion
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian women and Indian men...:-)
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:28:48 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:

>grow up watching your mother and sisters wait to eat until the father
                                  ^^^^^^^
>and sons have been served...or in some cases, finished eating, it's
>awfully hard to fight assumptions about women's place in the world.

Did your brother watch you wait for him to finish eating? You are
assuming that you are quite different from women in IA households.
If that is indeed true, why do you expect your idea about it being
easier to just avoid dating IA guys, hold true for IA women.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mba2@Elroy.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: age of "control"?
Reply-To: mba2@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:00:18 GMT

(Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>
>Alok, I don't know who you've been talking to.  I have as yet to meet
>an Indian girl who dates Americans who isn't very aware of what she's
>given up in terms of the possibility of an arranged marriage.  She's
>generally had it thrown in her face.  Several times.  Some of us count
>it well worth the cost...other Indian women don't.  But I believe we
>are all aware that we must choose one or the other...we can't have
>both.
>
>(Total side note:  This may well be a reason more liberated Indian
>women don't date Indian guys....they have given up all right to them
>by traditional rules...and they never know whether the next Indian guy
>they meet will be shocked and horrified to find out that they've dated
>Americans.  It's easier to avoid Indian guys altogether.)
>
>
Mary Anne,  In reading the article I have to agree with you and Purna, but
I had to make a comment on your side note.  I realize that many indian guys
would object to going out with an Indian girl who has gone out with
Americans.  I also realize that it is "easier" to not try and go out
with Indians and only with Americans.  ........ But, having gone out
with Americans and Indians I wish more liberated women would not object
to dating another Indian.  I take myself as a case in point.  I consider
myself a traditional Indian in that I would prefer to preserve my culture.
On the other hand there are parts of the "mentality" I would discard. 

I believe that by going out with an Indian and marrying and Indian I would
be able to do this.  Like you pointed out, I do have a problem going out
with a traditional II female, but not an American.  I would love to
go out with an IA female.  Problem, most (like you pointed out) of the
IA femalesthat I would go out with don't want to go out with another 
Indian.  It is shall I say, irritating.  Particulary when I myself "reject"
certain aspects of our culture:  (i.e. the shame/horror/oh no, you did what
/internal cultural gossip/etc syndromes).   It may be asking a lot from
some of you, but I would ask that you not turn down alIndian guys just
because we are Indian.  Not all of us are the sterotypical MCP's that
you have come to expect.  We may be a little off center and actually be
interesting to be around.  Who knows, we might even like opera. 
ahhhhhhh.......not!

Puneet (D-Poon)
VCD 

EveryOne's Entitled to your Opinion
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Silly humor
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:12:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

Hijacked from rec.food.veg:

In article <1992Sep29.174929.14580@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna) writes:
>
>umm....question.  i always believed that pizza and italy really don't
>have THAT much to do with each other.  specifically, i heard that
>pizza was "invented" in china, but has changed quite a bit since
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

... and *we* thought pizza came from 'Joisey' (New Jersey)! :-)


>peace,
>-purna

Raghavan
P.S.: Pizza, as american as apple pie
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