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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:19:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec16.172551.78681@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>on, give us all a break, I bet that the average person who is just living in
>the area and is a basketball fan couldn't give a flying fuck either way and
>basically just feel damned happy to have three great basketball teams so near

Hmmm, obviously posted by a foolish Freshthing who has never lived
anywhere near N.C.

Just for factual content, I have lived in NC for sixteen years,
including Durham for the past six, and I can't recall ever meeting
anyone who "couldn't give a flying fuck either way" -- except maybe the
State fans, who wind up taking sides anyway when the game rolls around.

BTW, is there someone who, as a public service, would post how to alter
your KILL file to include all posts by MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN?  I'm sure
many of us (including me) would appreciate it.

Unfortunate, huh?

- "Young" Rob Mac K



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From: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Voice of the Stanford Cardinal
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA


  I'm trying to find out what radio station is carrying Stanford
Cardinal Basketball this year.  I know last year they were on
KCBS (740), which was wonderful as I was able to listen to
all of the night games on radio down in L.A.  Could someone who 
currently lives in the Bay Area let me know if another A.M. 
station has picked up the contract?  
  And please don't let it be KZSU.  You can't even pick that up
in the dorms on campus. (and yes, I know the zoo is an fm station)

  Thanks

 -Lec Luthor
  Criminal Genius and Cardinal Fan Extraordinaire
  lec@theory.chem.ucla.edu

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From: harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x)
Subject: Re: Defending Louisville
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:42:18 GMT

gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:

>Steve Williams wrote:
>SW>Rozier is probably a head case.  He had an attitude problem at UNC before
>SW>he jumped off the UNC ship and swam over to UofL.  This is in addition
>SW>to his poor academic performance at UNC.  Wonder how he is doing at
>SW>UofL, academically speaking.

>He's doing just fine, Steve, or he wouldn't be playing. U of L,
>academically, is tougher on it's athletes than most public institutions.
>In fact their rules governing student athletes is more stingent that the
>NCAA's. As for being a head case, I heard he simply didn't like being a
>small fish in a big pond. This isn't unusual.

>....Gil
'd rather be a small fish in a big pond, if that pond is run by the best		coach in college basketball! When CR left the UNC program he told the world that TEAM play was not part of his game; and in no way shape or form does U of L stress Academics more (or better) than UNC. Rozier would have started last year and this year if his attitude was as good as his individual play.  
.

> gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com
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> . DeLuxe. 1.21 #607s . 
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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:45:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Dec13.204534.12287
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Quoting Micheal Lerner:

> A few weeks ago, I thanked a UNC fan for Rozier.  Want him back? ;)

HeHe....My first thought was that we didn't miss out on anything, but it's
one game, and who knows what can happen with him.

> What force on earth can stop Jamal Mashburn? ;)

Jamal himself.....most of us already knew what he could do, but I got a
kick out of seeing Rhodes. I love to see those freshmen play large. You
would never see that at UNC. Kentucky sucked it up big time, and looked
pretty good. My hats off to them, because I was beginning to think they
were overrated.

Mike
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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley SUMMARY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:04:58 GMT
Keywords: Enough Already

rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:

>In case some of you tired of looking through the discussion, I can summarize
>it quickly.

>Jazzy has doubts about Hurley's NBA ability.
>Others disagree.

>We'll begin to find out who's right in 11 months (barring serious injuries
>or Hurley regains use of a car).

Damn, I hate to sound like a complete idiot again, but what's the deal with
Hurley and the use of a car?

-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

   linky@uiuc.edu	"It's so weird to see Chris on the end of the bench!"
						-- My mom
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Stamina (was: Bobby Hurley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Russ Smith writes:
>
>I think this is becoming pretty common in most programs now, coaches are
>getting a lot of feedback from trainers and conditioning experts and are
>starting to realize that the best way to train is to simulate game 
>conditions and skills and do them in practice for heavy reps.

Here at UK, Pitino really avoids all the distance work so common 5-10
years ago. He does weight training, a bit, but instead relies on
playing into shape. He got bombed by some NBA type, saying that
UK was the worst conditioned major college team he'd ever seen,
but UK regularly runs teams into the ground. (I think Pitino
conditions his players for about 10-12 minute rounds...which is what
I think the NBA guy was responding to. My understanding is
that -- as you point out -- the general trend is to train toward 
what you'll play.)
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Don't be a stranger.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Dream Game quotes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:59:10 GMT

richarje@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (JT) writes:
>        Classic SEC ball.

>Jazzy, as much as I respect your opinion, your slander on the SEC is 
>unwarranted -- they have produced some great teams, and have recently 
>(especially the most recent draft) have produced some very good NBA players.  
>While the SEC does have some teams that play "ugly" (not necessarily bad) 
>hoops, it also has some "pretty" (and sometimes bad) teams.  Overall, the SEC
>if both divisions are included, has examples of almost all types of offenses 
>and defenses, except LMU-Troy State no Defense, and Big East-6 fouls-no guard-
>pound it inside-put me to sleep-but good D types.  "Classic" SEC ball has more
>variations than either the Big 11 or ACC.

	Hold on here!!!  Apparently, we've got another case of reading the
	wrong thing.  When I meant Classic SEC ball -- I meant it was great
	stuff!  Remember, I grew up in Lexington and lived on the stuff!
	I remember the days of Eugene "Dunkin" McDowell at Florida, Tony
	White at Tennessee, the Laird brothers at Mississippi, etc.
	The SEC had some great teams -- and those were the days they were
	underrated!  The SEC is consistently one of the toughest conferences
	in the country.

	Hey, I'm an SEC man all the way.  Don't get me wrong!

	Jazzy J

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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Posting players' email addresses, was Re: Chris Webber
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:31:59 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

>>
>>Most ball players don't use their accounts, but...
>>

In fact, USENET NEWS is somewhat inaccesible from that campus ring.
If the original intent is to get players to participate in this
group, then posting Webber's e-mail address would only result in
his getting mail.  And since he doesn't use it, I think that's
asking him to play OUR game and flames without full understanding
of the situation.
 
That point aside, I think that it's bad Netiquette to post an
address that hasn't already been given by the player involved.
 
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:12:37 GMT

In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM> csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:

   >Correct me if I'm wrong but...
   >Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
   >whose point guard has the game of his life,
   >and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
   >ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
   >as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
   >Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;
   >If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
   >Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
   >understand all the gripes, but not because of
   >a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
   >just a few breaks here or there.


I'm a Michigan fan, and I'm questioning Fisher's coaching ability.
You're right, it is one game.  But I see some problems with Fisher's
ability to get the most out of his team.  For example, Michigan tends
to called for charging a lot.  That's something coaching should be
able to take care of.  Another problem is that Michigan missed way too
many freethrows.  Fisher should have them doing freethrows in practice
until they get it right.  I also think he's bad at making the small
adjustments that often mean the difference between winning and losing
a game.

I wouldn't call the group from NC overrated.  Time will tell.

Time will tell for Michigan, too.  If Fisher can't get a team as
talent-laden as Michigan to start playing smarter and better than they
currently are, then I would question his ability to coach.



-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

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From: Christopher J. Born
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:12:48 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: born@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research


Just a few thoughts about this thread:

flame on:

HELLO, ANYBODY HOME!  TO ALL MICHIGAN ALUMNI WHO DON'T THINK 
FISHER IS A GOOD OR GREAT COACH, WAKE UP!  JUST A REMINDER, HE 
EARNED MICHIGAN IT'S FIRST NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN BASKETBALL.  
HOW MANY YEARS DID BO SCHEMBECHLER HAVE TO TRY TO EARN ONE IN 
FOOTBALL?

TO ALL NON-ALUMI OF MICHIGAN WHO ARE BASHING FISHER OUT THERE
WHO ARE ALUMNI OF SCHOOLS THAT HAVE YET TO WIN A NATIONAL 
CHAMPIONSHIP, GET A LIFE!

HOW MANY COACHES TRY IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL TO WIN A NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIP BUT NEVER (I REPEAT, NEEEVVVVVERRRR) WIN ONE?

HOW MANY DIVISION ONE SCHOOLS WITH A BASKETBALL PROGRAM HAVE 
YET (I REPEAT, HAAAVVVVVEEEE YYYYYYEEEEEETTTTTT) TO WIN ONE 
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN BASKETBALL OR EVEN COME CLOSE?

flame off:

We can all THINK Steve Fisher is an awesome coach or a great coach or
a bad coach, but we all KNOW one thing (at least) and that is that
he HAS a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.  

-Chris

P.S. Sorry about the caps!
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:19:48 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	That's not a hard question... let's see...

>	G -- Kyle Macy
>	G -- Truman Claytor
>	F -- Jack Givens
>	F -- James Lee
>	C -- Rick Robey

	thanx to a few that reminded me -- Lee was in fact, not the
	starter, but the 6th man on this squad.  Mike Phillips started.
	for some reason I was thinking in terms of total minutes played,
	and in that respect, Lee was ahead of Phillips...

	Jazzy J

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From: 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:27:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Gallaudet U.

In article <92350.161032RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.220404.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
> 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor) says:
>>Perhaps to solve the arguments, there is ACC/Big Ten Challenge for Women's
>>Basketball on January 2nd.  Virginia will square off with Ohio State and
>>Maryland played Purdue once again.
> Again, what is this going to prove?  Of course Virginia is going to
> beat Ohio State.  Ohio State is No. 28 - Virginia is No. 5.  The Maryland
> Purdue matchup will be a much better indication of the better conference.
> Maryland is No. 6 and Purdue is No. 7 - both teams are rated No. 2 in their
> conference.
>>Hey, why don't I just compare Michigan State and Virginia?  Ok, two years     .
>>ago..
>>Virginia played Michigan State in Miami Tournament and rolled up to a 91-50
>>victory.
>>
> Why am I SO SURPRISED???  Actually because Virginia didn't cover the
> spread.  They were favored by 45.
>>By the way, as of now...The ACC is now tied with Big Ten as Iowa beat
>>Maryland,
>>53-50.  And Georgia Tech duped Minnesota at Minnesota with 82-62 win.
>    The No. 29 team in the country dumping the No. 300 team in the league.
> That's saying a lot.
	Bisoncrap!  Minnesota upset No. 15 Kansas before falling down to Western
Kentucky at Bowling Green and Ga. Tech at Minneapolis.  Now you're saying that
Minnesota is No. 300 team.  That's bisoncrap!  Minnesota is somewhere in Top 50.

R-
> ** Rob **
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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Subject: Re: BYU upset by Weber State
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:09 MST  

In article <1992Dec11.110220.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes...
{>>A pet peeve of mine...people labeling games "upsets" in the first week
{>>  of the season.  I can understand if a 8-15 team beats a 22-3 team. Sure,
{>>  call that an upset.  But a 2-1 team beating a 2-0 team at home.  No upset.
{>>  BYU didn't deserve to be hyped "better" than Weber State.
{> 
{> Of course upsets can happen in the first week, even the very first game of the
{> season.  If a 2-0 BYU team beat an 0-1 Michigan team anywhere, it would be an
{> upset.  There is more to evaluating the strength of a team than its record, or
{> lack of one.  Upsets are determined not by which team is better, but rather by
{> which team is expected by most to win.  By this standard, the Weber win was
{> indeed an upset.
{> -- 
{ 
{You stated my pet peeve exactly...So early in the season the media know very 
{little about teams.  They guess, based on traditions and last year and 
{returners.  But in the first week of a year, if a 2-0 BYU beats a 0-1 Michigan
{that certainly isn't an upset.  It may upset the media's ego but on the court
{is the best way of comparing two teams...
{ 
{arthur

You are simply disagree on my/our definition of "upset" and "unexpectedly".
If a team defeats another unexpectedly, then it is an upset. I believe that
your pet peeve can be factored down to a dislike of the media hype over teams
this early in the season.  However, if BYU (even at 0-0) lost to St. Mary's
school for 5-foot-hoop-rejects this would be unexpected and thus an upset.  

Another question.  Why do you think "BYU didn't deserve to be hyped "better" 
than Weber State"?  

-Eric
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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Chucky vs Michael
Summary: He was FOULED!
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:15:15 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Yes, all ACC fans can remember Chucky Dreisell getting the call in the
clutch.  For a moment there, I thought he would win it.  Wouldn't that
have been something?  At the time I remember being absolutely livid over
the whole thing, being a BIG Terp fan at the time.  The general
impression in my highly biased household was that poor old Chuck was
fouled by Mr. Nike.  Anybody out there in agreement?

Poor Chuck.  His soul could not rest in peace until Len Bias avenged his
disgrace by beating UNC in the Dome for Deano's 1st loss there.  Poor
Len.

Does anyone remember the Maryland-Wake game in about 1981 when UMD was
down a point with a second left?  Someone (Buck I think) threw a
full-court inbounds pass which A. King leapt for and caught at the foul
line.  While still in the air he twisted and shot.  The ball hit the rim
softly and dawdled for a while, and then fell through for a Terp win.
Are there any Maryland fans who remember this one?  Great game.

-Will
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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: New Michigan Theme Song
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.221356.29684@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>Quoting Ken B.:
>
>> I have to tell you that you're in for an uphill battle here,
>> Mike.  Net.evidence is very strong that at Duke winning does 
>> *not* speak for itself. 

	Not just at Duke.  Many are equally culpable.

>I think maybe you are correct. I also probably never should have said what
>I said about the "graceful winner" thing. That was like pissing in the
>wind. It's just that I have seen families and friends polarized by this
>rivalry. I'm serious when I say that everywhere I go, this rivalry gets in
>the way. I just want people here to know that I will never say anything
>inflammatory about another school, and that taunting to me is not worth
>the effort.

	<clap> <clap> <clap>.  Now if we cna only get a certain freshman from
Maryland to take that pledge.

>Mike
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From: harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x)
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:00:12 GMT


Does any one remember the second regular season game between UNC and Duke in 1989, when Rice had baby Hurley crying (boo hoo) because he kept taking theball from him. Phelps will have Hurley crying again this year. 
:wq
From: wayne@einstein.research.uno.edu (wayne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting  - SunBelt
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:38:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Orleans

Glad to see UAB had such a good recruiting year. Guess they recruited  
themselves right into the Sun Belt Conference. Last time I checked, they  
were in the Great Midwest.

					Wayne Patterson
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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Arkansas beats Arizona
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:47:03 GMT

ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:
: And they did it without Corliss Williamson, who left late in the Memphis
: State games with a (re)injury to his toe and will be out for at least a
: month.  A lot of people thought the hogs were a bubble team for the
: tournament, but they may have already played themselves into the dance
: only three games into the season.  Of course, they'll have to do
: something in the SEC West, namely finish 3rd or 2nd, but if Nolan keeps
: their heads on straight, they should do it.

I think right now the Hogs ought to be the favorite to win the weak (compared
to last year) West.  The West should be very competitive this year, with five
teams capable of winning the division.  Auburn and Miss St have the most
experience but have not been terribly impressive so far this season, while
Alabama and LSU had heavy losses from last year but still have some good
talent.  So far Arkansas looks to be the best of the lot.
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From: drune@red5.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: drune@red5.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)


In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM>, csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
 
|> Correct me if I'm wrong but...
|> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
|> whose point guard has the game of his life,
|> and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
|> ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
|> as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
|> Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;
|> If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
|> Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
|> understand all the gripes, but not because of
|> a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
|> just a few breaks here or there.

	That's the major difference between a Michigan and a Duke.  They might
have the talent, but Duke manages to find a way to win.  Just like UMiami in 
football, if it's close, Duke manages to find some way to win.  That, more than
anything, is the reason they've won two in a row.  Of course, having Bobby
around sure helps when you're trying to win a game at the end.  Just as a note
there, Hurley didn't have the 'game of his life' against Michigan - he tends
to do that every time.  Amazing, isn't it!  Regarding Fisher, I think Michigan
has done an exceptional job making it to two championship games [winning one]
DESPITE the smiley coach.  I still don't get the impresion that he does a whole
lot, which may sometimes be the best thing for the talent he has.  Of course,
he's still a million times better than his moronic predecessor, good ole Bill,
who has to be the worst college basketball coach in the history of the game.  It
was only fitting that they managed to win just after he left.  At least Steve
doesn't repress talent.
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