From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Jesus is a Prophet, not Son of God
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Nov16.114345.4695@kth.se> d89-gsk@nada.kth.se (Gani Skepi) writes:
>Secondly all prophets are looked upon as sinless, not only Jesus (pbuh) 
>in Islam.....

This is inconsistent with reality.  Moses even sinned.  So did David as we
see from what many scholars feel is the court history from his time 
recorded in Samuel. 

>But the holy spirit was there all the time....
>
>(John 16:7)"However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when
>I say it is profitable for you that I go away. Because if I do not
>go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go away, I
>will send Him to you."
>
>You see. how could Jesus (pbuh) send something to the world which always 
>has been there even before Jesus (pbuh)?
>When Jesus(pbuh) sent out his disciples in their mission of preaching
>and healing people whith what did they according to Christianity heal
>people with?
>The Holy Spirit (the holy Ghost).

John also records how the Lord said that the Holy Spirit was with them,
but would be with them.  The Spirit of God is even mentioned in the Old
Testament.  We see this in the second verse of the whole Bible.  But if
you will look at the account in Acts, you will see that what they recieved
was baptism with the Holy Spirit, a special empowerment.  Also, they
were not only clothed with the Spirit, as Samuel was.  They also had the
Spirit in them.

>And John the Babtist when he was in his mothers womb he also had the
>holy Spirit (Ghost), if you remember.

John was not among the twelve.

>Before Jesus (pbuh) departed he called his disciples and told them :
>recieve ye the holy Spirit.
>So when he said recieve, either they recieved or he was bluffing.
>So either Jesus (pbuh) is a lier or else they recieved.

Note that He said, "Recieve ye the Holy Ghost" not "Ye are now recieving
the Holy Ghost" or "You just recieved the Holy Ghost."  


>In Christianity you are told that the Messiah and the Prophet is the same
>person.
>But is that true?
>According to us Muslims it isn't.

Muhammad was not qualified to be The Prophet.  He was not Jewish.

>|> |     "Therefore, woe be unto those who write the scripture with their hands and
>|> |then say "This is from Allah", that they may purchase a small gain therewith.
>|> |Woe unto them for that what their hands  have written, and woe unto them for
>|> |that they earn thereby." (Qur'an 2:79)

And you say that the people who wrote the Gospels got  money for it?  The
apostles were persecuted from city to city.  When Muhammad came up with
the Qur'an, he recieved quite a bit of honor from his followers.  Some of
those who memorized parts of the Qur'an which were later written down
became Khalifs and got great wealth from the empire that developed in the
political vacuum.  

Link Hudson.








>|> 
>|> How do you get this speaks about the NT?  We sure don't claim it is from
>|> Allah, but Jehovah - THE LORD ALMIGHTY.  Maybe this admonition is for
>|> those who wrote something else.  
>
>:-)...
>There is only one God, right???
>So what is the difference if you call this god Allah or Jehovah????
>
>The admonition is for those who believe in the one *true* God, the God of Abraham,
>Moses, Jesus, Muhammed and all the prophets that have been sent by Him (pbuta).
>
>|> 
>|> For Christ and His Kingdom,
>|> Richard Pitts
>
>For the one and *only* God, the God of Abraham and *His* Kingdom,
>
>Gani Skepi
>d89-gsk@nada.kth.se
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