From: warren@pws.ma30.bull.com (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Using the Bible with non-Christians?
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:41:44 GMT

Are there any professing "Pro-Choice" Christians out there?

Christian (in the above sentence) being some who meets the following
Scriptures:  (this is NOT meant to be an all inclusive definition)

John 3:3
	In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see
	the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "

Acts 16:30-31
	He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to
	be saved?" They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will
	be saved-- you and your household."

and believes:

2Tim 3:16-17
	All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
	correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God
	may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1 Cor 3:19-20
	For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is
	written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ; and again,
	"The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

Does anyone else other than me feel it is foolish to be talking about abortion
from a Biblical perspective with non-Christians?

They don't believe in Jesus Christ.  They don't believe the Bible.  They will
argue using the Bible because we believe it and they think it gives them power
over us. However without being a Christian, they can NOT understand the Bible.
The Bible is a spiritual book that you can only understand fully when you
have the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 2:13-16
	This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human
	wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing
	spiritual truths in spiritual words.  The man without
	the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the
	Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he
	cannot understand them, because they are spiritually
	discerned.  The spiritual man makes judgments about
	all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's
	judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that
	he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

They profess to be under no authority (in actuality they are: the
prince of the power of the air), so we can't do they same thing to them.
They admit no absolutes, no matter what we say, it seems to bounce off them.
How do you argue values with someone who has no values?  If we want to
discuss it with them, we need to do it (IMHO) from a worldly view point
(never forgetting what God says of course.) 

With facts.  Facts come right against the lies that the enemy is using. 
Facts can be verified in the world.

What do christians think?

Isaiah 60:1-5
	Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of
	the LORD rises upon you.  See, darkness covers the earth
	and thicdarkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises
	upon you and his glory appears over you. Nations will
	come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your
	dawn.  "Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble
	and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your
	daughters are carried on the arm.  Then you will look
	and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with
	joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
	to you the riches of the nations will come.

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