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From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.compose
Subject: Re: WinCake vs Master Tracks Pro 4
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:01:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sceng.rfries.179
Organization: Ungermann Bass

In article <419@ittc.wec.com> simmons@ittc.wec.com (Garry Simmons) writes:

>I'm ready to buy a Windows based sequencer (finally!) and took an extended drive
>on WinCake. Its not as intuitive as I'd like, but with a small amount of prodding
>I managed to get around on it. I then took a shorter (un-assisted) test drive
>of Master Trax Pro 4. Master Trax seems much more intuitive, but I'm not sure
>about the depth of features as compared to WinCake...

>Soooooo..... I know this has been flogged before, but what is the net wisdom
>on these two packages? I'm not a keyboardist, but have a small 8 track home
>studio and wish to add sequencing. I'm looking for:

>       - Easy drum programming/recording (via DrumKAT)
>       - Easy tempo map construction (for bands that like to speed up on 
>         choruses on purpose and to put odd time signatures in songs)
>       - SysEx librarian (for dumping my VZ-1, R8, etc)
>       - Easy editing (I make LOTS of mistakes) in piano roll, and event list
>       - Easy cut/copy/paste (for using the same verse over again, etc)
>       - Powerful macros for big edits
>       - Ability to record data from my MRC
>       - Faders for controllers (as an extension to my MRC)

>In a nutshell, I don't expect to be a "power" user, but I do expect the program
>to be easy and powerful. Easy recording/editing is the key for me. I've got to
>create drum, percussion, and keyboard parts for my bands originals and I'm a
>poor drummer, and worse keyboard player... I want something doesn't get in the
>way and lets me record marginal quality tracks, fix them quickly and easily,
>move them around the song, and then get on to the next part. I've been writing
>software for 10 years so computers and software don't scare me, but the less
>I have to look thru a 500 page manual the better....

>Garry Simmons
>simmons@ittc.wec.com


I'm interested in the same kinds of things, and I'll be watching this thread
for more info.

BTW, anybody have any impressions of Cubase for Windows? The salespeople
at both the stores I frequent have suggested it for my purposes.

Robert

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From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: MODPLAY for IBM-AT 286 Wanted
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:06:35 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
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Does anybody know where I can get hold of a copy of MODPLAY which will work
an an AT286. I have V1.12 (this will not work .. it crashes on attempting to
pay the .Module). What I need is either (a) an FTP site for it, (b) someone
to UUencode and mail it, or (ugh) (c) a UK BBS phone number which has got
a copy of a version which will work on 286 machines.

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From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: WinCake vs Master Tra
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 

RF>>In a nutshell, I don't expect to be a "power" user, but I do expect the pro
RF>>to be easy and powerful. Easy recording/editing is the key for me. I've got
RF>>create drum, percussion, and keyboard parts for my bands originals and I'm
RF>>poor drummer, and worse keyboard player... I want something doesn't get in
RF>>way and lets me record marginal quality tracks, fix them quickly and easily
RF>>move them around the song, and then get on to the next part. I've been writ
RF>>software for 10 years so computers and software don't scare me, but the les
RF>>I have to look thru a 500 page manual the better....

RF>BTW, anybody have any impressions of Cubase for Windows? The salespeople
RF>at both the stores I frequent have suggested it for my purposes.

I've used versions of Cakewalk ever since my MIDI beginnings and have
  never been disappointed in it.  I've only briefly tried Master Tracks,
  but from what I've seen, Cakewalk is by far the more powerful
  platfrom, especially with the CAL scripting options, notation, and
  limited digital audio support. As with all purchases of the type, you
  may want something simple at first, but give it a few months and youll
  be wishing for thr more powerful features.

As far as Cubase goes... though it may have only been a beta(?) that I
  was working with, I was very disappointed in it after hearing about it
  from all the Atari users. The version I looked at had no graphic
  slider support, bypassed the Windows MCI, and would only run in
  Windows Standard mode (even then it was prone to frequent crashes).
  Though I really like the way it handles rhythm tracks, I just couldn't
  see switching...

T$ / KF
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From: aalpern@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: MIDI file spec info
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:33:45 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu


Does anyone have, or known of an anon-ftp site where one can get a file spec
for standard MIDI files?

Thanks, -Adam
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JD-800 -- BEAUTIFUL!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:06:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Huh? What is that beast?

The JD-990 is a cross mix between a JV-80, JD-800 and the "good stuff" that
you missed from the D-50.
Seems like Roland realized that people really did want the multi-effects 
of the JD-800 as well as the Super Jupiter/Moog etc.. samples + the
Pop style sounds of the JV-80, and the oscillator modulation/sync
capabilities of the D-50.  So they put it in a box for $2095.

It has extremely wide bandwidth.

Sounded good to me.

Aron_Nelson@Cup.Portal.Com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: alexand@lt7.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Alexander Forth)
Subject: Re: K2000 - midi'able filters?
Keywords: sampler k2000 filter
Organization: Royal Holloway, University of London
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: alexand@lt7.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Alexander Forth)
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In article <81723@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt5627c@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew 
Seamus Pease) writes:
..
|>Can't the filters on a K2000 be programmed much in the same way as 
|>this new EMU Vintage Keys box?  In fact, wouldn't a K2000,
|>with its digitally contolled filters combined with the
|>raw samples of an EMU vintage Keys box be the same as the Vintage
|>Keys box?  With the exception of the EMU box having 32 voices, it seems 
|>that if one was going to go with getting say a peavey sp/sx & an EMU 
|>vintage keys, it would make much more sense to get a K2000 with sampling 
|>extension.

I agree.  From what has been said about the EMU box in this group so far,
it seems to be a bit of a lemon (ie. can't truely imitate analog gear).  
Kurzweil got it right in the design stage, and the K2000 sports some of 
the best real-time sound mangling features currently availble.  What 
separates the K2000 from the crowd is it's ability to animate the sound
while playing it.  Current opinion seems to be that the K2000 is the closest
a digital keyboard has presently come to immitating the sounds of an analog 
keyboard.  

|>Hopefully, Kurzweil will catch on to this analog craze and simply offer
|>samples of popular analog synths.     

I doubt if they need to.  Last weekend I checked out the K2000 FTP site, 
and they already have an extensive selection of analog style patches (not 
samples).  There are times when I could swear that my K2000 sounded just 
like an ARP 2600 or a Super Jupiter, and all these sounds were being created
from raw sawtooth, sine or triangle wave samples that are found in the 
standard 8 megs of ROM.  Not to mention great filter sweeps that you 
could control from the mod wheel (or any other midi control source).    
The K2000 sampling option is (going to be) far more powerful than the 
Peavey. 

|>Matt Pease
|>gt5627c@prism.gatech.edu

The K2000 + sample board is a seriously powerful combination, I'd go with 
it if I were you, or wait (for quite a long time) for other manufacturers 
to come out with their own DSP Keyboards.  (Is it worth the wait?)

Alex.
alexand@cs.rhbnc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: rich@mks.com (Rich Jones)
Subject: Re: 909 For Sale
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:13:50 GMT

In article <26JAN93.17505020@skyfox> grahame@skyfox writes:
>Rather than forking out a bizillion dollars for an archaic drum machine,
>doesn't it make more sense to buy a used Roland R8 and get the "dance"
>ROM card??? That way you've got the sounds in a modern package with
>velocity sensitve pads, lots of memory, etc.

Not if you want an analog source, rather than a digital sample of an
analog source.  Think they sound too close to distinguish?  Try
sampling a Prophet-5 or Minimoog sometime.  Then, wait for yourself to
say "but it's just not the same" or "where did the knobs go?"

Rich.
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From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000 - midi'able fil
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 

AF>I agree.  From what has been said about the EMU box in this group so far,
AF>it seems to be a bit of a lemon (ie. can't truely imitate analog gear).
AF>Kurzweil got it right in the design stage, and the K2000 sports some of
AF>the best real-time sound mangling features currently availble.  What
AF>separates the K2000 from the crowd is it's ability to animate the sound
AF>while playing it.  Current opinion seems to be that the K2000 is the closest
AF>a digital keyboard has presently come to immitating the sounds of an analog
AF>keyboard.

Actually, I just demo-loaned the new Emu Vintage Synth box this past
  weekend and was completely blown away by it... far from being a
  "lemon" in my opinion.

With just the simple low pass filtering on the Emax II, I've done some
  great analog simulations, but seeing that the new Emu VS box has
  a more powerful, bi-polar filtering scheme, plus all those nifty
  analog style LFO waveshapes, I just can't wait to get ahold of one.

The K2000 is a great choice if you're looking for a new center
  piece for your setup, but if your just looking to add an analog
  sounding addition to your rig and can't find a Roland MKS-10 at a
  decent price 8^), the new Emu VS box is the way to go (and this is
  coming from someone who already owns two true analogs and an MPU-101).
  Anyways...

T$ / KF

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From: kskenyon@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Kevin S. Kenyon)
Subject: Kawai GMega Repost
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:23:52 EST

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cashby@dsd.es.com (Cary Ashby)
Subject: FOR SALE:  Kawai Q80 Midi Sequencer
Keywords: Kawai Q80
Reply-To: cashby@dsd.es.com (Cary Ashby)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:29:59 GMT


For Sale:	Kawai Q-80 Midi Sequencer.

	-	32 tracks
	-	100 motifs
	-	26,000 notes
	-	10 songs
	-	3.5" floppy drive
	-	Active mathematical quantization
	-	Real Time and Step recording
	-	Punch In/ Punch Out
	-	64K Midi Patch Data Storage for SysEx data


	This is a killer sequencer.  I've loved using it.  I'm selling
	it to finance another music project.  In perfect shape, lovingly used.
	$500 + shipping.

	Cary Ashby
	(801)582-5847 x4636
	cashby@dsd.es.com
	





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From: quantum@babss.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: BBE 402 For Sale
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:28:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, Branford CT. 06405


BBE 402 enhancer for sale. This model precedes the 422. Not as quiet as
the 422 or 462, but this is only apparant when you push the process.
Great shape.

$90 + shipping

I am upgrading to the 462, so I don't really need this piece.
Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:15:32 +0000
Distribution: world
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:43:35 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: YAMAHA QY-10 FOR SALE

sxaf@uk.ac.cardiff.thor writes:
>I own a Yamaha QY-10 8 track sequencer/expander (28-poly, 8-part multi
>for those who don't know...:-))
>It is in excellent condition, and I MEAN EXCELLENT. It has only ever
>been run off batterys, and I've only gone through 2 sets of them.

Mine is not so excellent, has been used continuously. Perfect working order
though.

>This wonderful machine is for sale for:
>
>	1 6 0      POUNDS

I'll go for 1 2 0   POUNDS. And I have the Yamaha librarian software that
includes a lot of extra patterns.

>And, for a machine that is practically new, that's a bargain.

Well people, which will it be, practically new or much cheaper? The shops
are still selling these for 190 second hand.

>Genuine reason for sale.

Probably the same as mine. I want a QY-20 and I want it *now*.

>E-mail me on:
>	spxaf@uk.ac.cardiff.thor

But I would prefer that you email me!

Cheers,

Ross-c

ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Samplers and CD-ROMs - OP
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 

AD>In case this doesn't generate any responses, how 'bout some opinions on what
AD>pler sounds best (again in the context of orchestral stuff)??? Akai,
AD>Roland, K2000 (although theree are no CD-ROMs yet shipping for
AD>this... bummer...), ASR-10? (Has to be something with LOTs memory,
AD>16 meg capacity or more...)

If you're working in a studio environment (which it sounds like) and are
  interested in mainly working with CD-ROM, no real user sampling...
  take a serious look at the Emu XPIII (basically an Emulator III
  playback unit with digital audio I/O) Unless you like shipping your
  equipment off for repair every few months, stay away from the Ensoniq
  stuff. Ensoniq equipment is probably the most common item a friend of
  mine who does service work sees come through his shop. Anyways...

T$ - KF

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From: franko@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Franko)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Atari Mega 2 ST & Monochrome Monitor for Sale
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:19:30 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

I am selling an Atari Mega 2 ST and Monochrome Monitor.

It is in MINT condition with all cables and mouse.

This is an excellent computer for MIDI applications!

It even has a battery backed-up clock.

Two megabytes of RAM allow it to run some of the latest software, such as 
Cubase 3 and Calamus SL with room to spare!


Asking - $450   I will pay for shipping.

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From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: 909 For Sale
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:56:01 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA


In article <1993Jan27.141350.7960@mks.com>, rich@mks.com (Rich Jones) writes:
|> Not if you want an analog source, rather than a digital sample of an
|> analog source.  Think they sound too close to distinguish?  Try
|> sampling a Prophet-5 or Minimoog sometime.  Then, wait for yourself to
|> say "but it's just not the same" or "where did the knobs go?"

This is true for a synth, but how much can you tweak most analog
drum machines?  If you can't change the sound, or if the changes
that can be made aren't important to the person doing the work, then
the only real difference is the user interface for the programmer,
and I think you can do better these days with a computer.

(This is an honest question.  The only analog drum machines I ever
used had no sound tweaking capabilities at all.)

-- 
...David Elliott
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...(408)944-4073
..."Do you sing like Olive Oyl on purpose?"
From: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com (Craig Barnes - Sun UK - Senior Systems Admin N + SW Group Regio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: 909 For Sale
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems


>Rather than forking out a bizillion dollars for an archaic drum machine,
>doesn't it make more sense to buy a used Roland R8 and get the "dance"
>ROM card??? That way you've got the sounds in a modern package with
>velocity sensitve pads, lots of memory, etc.


Have you ever tried buying a dance card, not a single Roland dealer in the UK has them
in stock. Even Roland UK won't get any until the end of Feb at the earliest.

Craig
From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FTP sites for JD-800 ??!
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:02:15 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Are there ANY FTP sites for JD-800 sounds/patches/PCM samples.

Now that the JV-80 and JV-880 can use the same patch/wave format it seems
that it's (JD-800) popularity may increase?!

Simon T.
From: joncon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jon Connolly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:31:12 GMT
Subject: Roland PM-16 ???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

I was curious to hear some feedback on the Roland PM-16 I believe it is.
The trigger to midi converter unit.  I looked in the r.m.s. used price
list to see how much they go for but I didn't see it there, unless I
overlooked it.

How much do they go for?

Do they work well with drum pad triggers such as the Tama TechStar pads?

Is there something else comparable on the market?

Any comments, in general, would be appreciated.  I'm thinking of
using one simply as a midi input device, I have no plans to use
it live but it would be nice to be able to do so.

Thanks,

Jon
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From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Mixer recommendations
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:16:33 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>      Best of all, this mixer costs way less then your price range.  I bought
> mine for $800 two years ago, but I've seen them for sale recently around $600.
> Although Roland makes some mixers that have more inputs (like the M480(?) with
> 48 line inputs in a 4-5 space rack), the Roland (and some others) use teeny
> rotary knobs for all inputs whereas the Tascam MM1 offers 10 cm "throw" faders.
> 

Hello,   
   Anyone have a lead on an MM1 for around the above quoted price? I would love
to get a hold of one.  Any leads (phone#'s, dealers, etc..) greatly appreciated.

Robert Williams
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,
From: martinsa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Steven A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Mixer recommendations
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:50:46 GMT

In article <C1I0r4.5KI@irvine.com> billy@irvine.com (*** Bouncer **) writes:
>>This is a call for recommendations for a general-purpose
>>mixer.  I've considered the Alesis 1622, but I'd like
>>some more feedback.  I remember reading an article in

You're not hooking it up right!  If you want more feedback, put one of your
mikes in front of your main speakers and turn up the gain!  :->

Steve Martin
martinsa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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