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From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:16:38 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:

> 	While I do agree that involving the women and minorities in
> 	the mind-set would certainly help spread and root it, I really
> 	don't think you're going to find too many cyberpunk-oriented
> 	women out there at the moment, for the simple reasons that -
> 	at least from a social psychology standpoint - women who have what
> 	seem to be considered 'cyberpunk' attitudes and values are considered
> 	on the whole intimidating. Which doesn't help when one is trying
> 	to land a husband. :) 
> 	So I don't think you're going to see a large number of female
> 	cyberpunks out there any time soon.... :)
> 	And I agree that CP is focused on males in general, with a
> 	slightly more specific focusing on the white males... they hold most
> 	of the bargaining power these days... :)
> 
> Kitten	
> -- 
> We are young
> Wandering the face of the earth
> Wondering what our dreams might be worth
> Learning that we're only immortal for a limited time....

   True, but if we as a `movement' ( A punk movement?) are going to do 
any social damage of note, we have to be able to reach out and secure 
more of the population, I use some of the `summer of love'/Hippie 
movement as an example.  In that case, they got momentum, but it was a 
primarily a upper-middle class thing.  If we could find a way to explain 
to the world in gerenal what we want, what type of hold we already have 
on the world, and what we can do to help, I think we could actually help 
humanity in general make some progress.  If not, we'll just end up being 
the `big thing' for awhile and then become passe', we'll all still be 
here and shooting the same bull, but we'll have a different name, and 
nothing will have changed.
   /// & ///

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From: 911087e@ace.acadiau.ca (JOHN ANTHONY ENZINAS)
Subject: Re: y
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.222049.9519@u.washington.edu> richter@hardy.u.washington.edu (Josef Richter) writes:
>
>   Wasn't this the Mystery Plastic Impolex G, in the Thomas Pynchon book 
>"Gravity's Rainbow"?

wouldn't know. haven't read it. got my info from interface 3.
--johnny vague
From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: The Banzai Institute
Distribution: world
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kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:
: 
: 	While I do agree that involving the women and minorities in
: 	the mind-set would certainly help spread and root it, I really
: 	don't think you're going to find too many cyberpunk-oriented
: 	women out there at the moment, for the simple reasons that -
: 	at least from a social psychology standpoint - women who have what
: 	seem to be considered 'cyberpunk' attitudes and values are considered
: 	on the whole intimidating. Which doesn't help when one is trying
: 	to land a husband. :) 
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!

Wow, Kathleen.  I haven't heard or seen that expression since I was reading
a text for my women's literature class about working women in the late 19th
century.  ;-)


		      ____________________________________
			Steve J. White
			aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
			aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
			skeptic@large@9600bps
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:50:14 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia

popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie) writes:

>sarrica@citi.umich.edu (Steve Sarrica) writes:
[interesting stuff on electrohardening plastic]

>There are polymers that solidify under UV radiation.  This ahs actually 
>been utilized bu industry.  A Cadcam representation of an object is used 
>to control 2 lasers aimed thru a tank of mono-polymer when both lasers un 
>under computer control intersect, enough UV deposits it's energy at that 
>intersection to crosslink the monpolymer.  A "part" is solidifyed layaer 
>at a time with a resolution approaching 100 DPI.
>  A CADCAM drawing, 2 samll computer controlled lasers, and a tank of 
>Mono-polymer.  Voila instant 'Parts'.  Polish and send to the moldmaking 
>department.  Or whatever.  intricate plastic parts one-off made right 
>from your drawing in an hour.

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicked.

Not a bad idea, but how expensive is it, I dont suppose it would be a 
back yard job.  Could this be done with other materials, for instance
if you could get a smooth ceramic (would be a minor engineering problem)
done, hey presto I've got a glock 19 (If i buy an iron-slide).

Or like in DARKMAN, make a face.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: New (old?) armor type/idea
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:07:32 GMT

In article 431@nic.umass.edu, pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.) writes:
> 
> There has been an idea (and maybe a lot of research done, I'm not
> sure) into a new type of body armor, based upon a spandex-type
> material. What happens is this:
> 
> A projectile (say, a bullet, maybe of 9mm 115-grain JHP type) hits
> this cloth with so much kinetic energy (600J for the above example at
> muzzle. Let's keep the range near point blank for pistol rounds). The
> energy dumped into the system nearly instantaneously hardens a small
> area of the cloth around the point of impact, therefore becoming as
> tough as steel.
> 
> Those of you who have read the comic "Checkmate" will remember this. I
> think I heard somewhere that the idea's been around since some SF book
> intro'd the concept back in the 50's, and that some research into the
> idea was done.
> 
> Can anyone verify this? I'd like to know...
> 
gee almost sounds like kevlar .... 
but not the spandex part ... new and improved types of body armor are always being looked into ...
however u have to remember the key is the material ... the concept is always around but not the tech to fulfill it ... 


---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: tlilley@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Tripp Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:27:08 GMT
Organization: StD's Infirmary 4 th'Incurably Informed

kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:
> 	on the whole intimidating. Which doesn't help when one is trying
> 	to land a husband. :) 

    A) intimidate me, baby... (as long as i can intimidate back) 
and B) it helps if one is looking for a deckhead husband :>

   (i mean, 'round here they know that all it takes is a little scalp ta'
get me goin' -- i know, i know... who cares?  (i do.))

- t.


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From: marc@remarque.berkeley.edu (Marc DeGroot)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hardening plastics...
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:42:25 GMT
Organization: Eukaryotic
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct12.095014.24641@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie) writes:
>
>Not a bad idea, but how expensive is it, I dont suppose it would be a 
>back yard job.  Could this be done with other materials, for instance
>if you could get a smooth ceramic (would be a minor engineering problem)
>done, hey presto I've got a glock 19 (If i buy an iron-slide).

I saw a fist-sized model of an enzyme made with this process.  It was
particularly interesting because the molecule had hollow spots that were
nearly completely enclosed -- not the type of thing you could do with a mill,
even by hand.

I commented that someone could make some money producing paper weights
and selling them.  The fellow laughed and told me that the cost of
the "paper weight" I was holding was about $800!  Maybe in a few years...


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From: ambroskm@adrienne.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Keith M. Ambrose)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: New (old?) armor type/idea
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:45:49 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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In-reply-to: pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu's message of Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:14:14 GMT

In article <Bw44rr.431@nic.umass.edu> pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.) writes:

>   There has been an idea (and maybe a lot of research done, I'm not
>   sure) into a new type of body armor, based upon a spandex-type
>   material.
[...]
>   Those of you who have read the comic "Checkmate" will remember this. I
>   think I heard somewhere that the idea's been around since some SF book
>   intro'd the concept back in the 50's, and that some research into the
>   idea was done.




    I believe the book you are referring to may be John Brunner's
    "Stand on Zanzibar".  In the book the material isn't strong
    enough to stop bullets.  One of the characters has a glove
    called a Karatand made of the material.  In a fight the glove
    acts like built in brass knuckles, but it doesn't restrict
    your freedom of movement much.  The character even manages to
    forget that he's wearing it.

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From: marc@remarque.berkeley.edu (Marc DeGroot)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Virus Creation Lab
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:50:35 GMT
Organization: Eukaryotic
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Virus Creation Lab

In article <1bbqtgINN7ak@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> ekimmina@pms240.pms.ford.com (Eric's tared uv arnin') writes:
>I recently had an opportunity to see this myself. You are give the choice of 
>several options for your virus including self encrptions, file corruptions 
>and self mutation. It then asks you for a name and proceeds to compile your 
>very own virus. Most of them (as discussed in the FIDO conference VIRUS_INFO 
>are found by McAfee SCAN V95, so I dont see it as a potential threat in and 
>of itself, however give it to someone who knows "C" and a PCBios command 
>structure, and it becomes a threat indeed...  Watch out America, the virus 
>explosion is at hand...
>
Someone please wake me up when having sex and trading software don't cause
disease and death...

What a frigging waste.  With all the productive positive things people
could be doing with their compilers and their talents, they go make software
like the above.
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From: branagh@cs.mcgill.ca (Wayne BRANAGH)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Virus Construction Kit?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:29:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

Recently in PC Mag, one columnist mentioned that the Dark Avenger has
released a virus construction kit, the "Mutation Engine". Does anyone
have any leads or pointers to offer me on where I can find this package?
(ftp site, contact, etc)

Cheers,

Wayne
branagh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:42:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
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In a previous article, merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) says:

>general direction to think otherwise.  I doubt we will have too much of a 
>long-term effect.  Now, if someone took the current cyberpunk mind-set, 
>and altered it to include more women and to include minorities, it might 
>take root and grow, but right now, cyberpunk is focused mainly at white 
>males.  I could be wrong, but I'll bet even money that I'm not.
	While I do agree that involving the women and minorities in
	the mind-set would certainly help spread and root it, I really
	don't think you're going to find too many cyberpunk-oriented
	women out there at the moment, for the simple reasons that -
	at least from a social psychology standpoint - women who have what
	seem to be considered 'cyberpunk' attitudes and values are considered
	on the whole intimidating. Which doesn't help when one is trying
	to land a husband. :) 
	So I don't think you're going to see a large number of female
	cyberpunks out there any time soon.... :)
	And I agree that CP is focused on males in general, with a
	slightly more specific focusing on the white males... they hold most
	of the bargaining power these days... :)

Kitten	
-- 
We are young
Wandering the face of the earth
Wondering what our dreams might be worth
Learning that we're only immortal for a limited time....
From: m_krok@tron.gun.de (Matthias Krok)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re^2: Time Travel & Teleportation in Cyb
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:04:00 GMT
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany

Hallo MOON!CYBERDEN!HUGHMANN%WELL.SF.CA.US@USENET.ZER !

Am 05.10.92 schriebst Du zum Thema "Re: Time Travel & Teleportation in Cyberspace" folgendes:

-> I don't think time could be thought of as running backward, just as you 
-> can't really travel "backward" in the first three dimensions.  Any 
-> direction you go is positive motion.

Hello.

I think, these two problems are nearly the same. Yout movement in the first
three dimensions manipulates yout movement in time (the faster you move, the
faster runs the time outside of you, or your vehicle). And if you COULD move
really backwards in space, then you could move backwards in time. Maybe ;-)

(Sorry for my bad english (?), but I`m a poor german pupil...)

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From: accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Hardening plastics...
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:15:31 PST
Organization: BBS

Hmm... Wouldn't it be killer if someting like that actually existed... It could
add some tactile response to VR, but the only problem is it would hafta harden
VERY fast... O welp... L8r!
-The Accomplice
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Non-Drug Induced States
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 21:29:42 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:

>   I'm not entirely sure, but I have noticed several new patterns to local
> cop-car lights, some on which had odd effects on my ability to 
> concentrate.   ( iam NOT epileptic, nor do I have any other sort of brain 
> abnormality. )

No brain abnormalities?  Sorry to hear that.

Anyway.. whenever I see lights on a cop car I get real angry and real nervous at
the same time.  Maybe that's what's affecting your concentration?  ;-)



                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
               Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see.
                   The blind have been blessed with security.
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From: pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.)
Subject: New (old?) armor type/idea
Organization: Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm, Chalfont
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:14:14 GMT


There has been an idea (and maybe a lot of research done, I'm not
sure) into a new type of body armor, based upon a spandex-type
material. What happens is this:

A projectile (say, a bullet, maybe of 9mm 115-grain JHP type) hits
this cloth with so much kinetic energy (600J for the above example at
muzzle. Let's keep the range near point blank for pistol rounds). The
energy dumped into the system nearly instantaneously hardens a small
area of the cloth around the point of impact, therefore becoming as
tough as steel.

Those of you who have read the comic "Checkmate" will remember this. I
think I heard somewhere that the idea's been around since some SF book
intro'd the concept back in the 50's, and that some research into the
idea was done.

Can anyone verify this? I'd like to know...

pf


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From: pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: New (old?) armor type/idea
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:14:52 GMT
Organization: Old Pink, care of the Funny Farm, Chalfont



There are a couple of things I'd like to say on behalf of my previous
article... 

1) On the fact that in the book, it was not able to stop bullets..
	The main idea in these modern times is to either stop or slow
penetration of bullets at relatively close ranges (a 7.62x51mm NATO
round at 25m would be a bit risky, but it's something to work
towards). It is like Kevlar, but it would be thinner and more
malleable and flexible than a Kevlar flak/riot vest.

2) Someone told me that if the material hardened, the piece of
hardened material would penetrate the body.
	I forgot to mention the fact that the absorbed kinetic energy
would dissipate as close to instantaneously as possible, and then
resume being flexible. I also added in the reply to this person the
idea of adding Kevlar woven into the fibers of the
superspandexfromhell to hold it together, provided it wasn't cut with
a blade.

It's true that we don't have the technology right now to make all this
feasible, but I have heard that experiments are going on all the time.
Who knows what will come out by 2000?

pf


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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Non-Drug Induced States
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:06:01 GMT

In article 8B49RB1w165w@entropy.mcds.com, morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
> merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:
> 
> >   I'm not entirely sure, but I have noticed several new patterns to local
> > cop-car lights, some on which had odd effects on my ability to 
> > concentrate.   ( iam NOT epileptic, nor do I have any other sort of brain 
> > abnormality. )
> 
> No brain abnormalities?  Sorry to hear that.
> 
> Anyway.. whenever I see lights on a cop car I get real angry and real nervous at
> the same time.  Maybe that's what's affecting your concentration?  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
>                         --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
>                Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see.
>                    The blind have been blessed with security.


i get the same way .. its very disheartening to be driving and then see a car light up like a christmas tree.... its a social affect .. in society we are trained at birth and throughout life and so thats what happens .... 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider) says:
>kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:
>: 	seem to be considered 'cyberpunk' attitudes and values are considered
>: 	on the whole intimidating. Which doesn't help when one is trying
>: 	to land a husband. :) 
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!
>
>Wow, Kathleen.  I haven't heard or seen that expression since I was reading
>a text for my women's literature class about working women in the late 19th
>century.  ;-)
	Ok, so I'm a cynical bitch, I know. :) But - surprise surprise - 
	about 20 percent of the women who go to college - even in the US - 
	are going for men. As the mother of one of the women in my theater
	class put it "This is the best time in your life to find a man. Never
	again will you be surrounded by so many young, eligible, interested,
	career-oriented men, so be sure you put your time to good use."

Kitten
-- 
Hi, there. Long time no handcuffs.
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: HEY YOU BUNCH OF MORONS
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:46:20 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia

merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi) writes:
				        If we could find a way to explain 
>to the world in gerenal what we want, what type of hold we already have 
	         ^^^^^^^
		 fucking ay.

>on the world, and what we can do to help, I think we could actually help 
>humanity in general make some progress.  If not, we'll just end up being 
>the `big thing' for awhile and then become passe', we'll all still be 
>here and shooting the same bull, but we'll have a different name, and 
>nothing will have changed.
>   /// & ///
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