HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:39:28 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov12.135645.5353@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>>StM says, "Interesting proof.  If that proof is valid, then Aquinas could also
>>answer the question, `What is the largest natural number?'"
>
>	"Isn't it closer to analogize it to the question `What is the
>_smallest_ natural number?'  Which is, after all, quite answerable.
>This does presuppose a beginning of time, rather than a steady-state
>universe, but our evidence for that is better, not worse than it was
>in Aquinas' day.

But finite time since the beginning of the universe doesn't mean that anything
we're talking about need be finite.  For example, let's look at the energy
density of the universe.  As we get closer and closer to the beginning
of the universe (and assuming that it began with the big bang), this number gets
larger and larger.  In fact, as we approach the big bang, it diverges.  No, in
order for Aquinas' argument to work, you have to assume that time is quantized.
And you have to assume that causality as we know it applies in the regime of
the big bang.  Neither of these assumptions has any support, to the best of my
knowledge.
From: GE.LJB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Louis J Bookbinder)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Nov MIA list
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:21:54 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Klum klum de klum kloop ...(oh, heck with the melodrama!)

Nick walks to the chalkboard for the semi-regular sad event:

The following have not posted in OH, So Long. Are they gone forever?

MEMBERS IN ABSENTIA (M.I.A.)   (as of 1 Oct 1992)
----------------------------
Abaddon            *
Arjay              *
Artful Dodger      +
Aslan              *
Cali               *
Caprice
chris Phoenix      *
Daydreamer         ?
Diana Egly
Die Fledermaus
Eowyth
Erik the Red
Escorpia
Flynn              *
FTWW               *
Gail Valentine
Gray Lady
Green Tiger
Grey Wolf          *
Jim Gaynor
Karl Heuer
Ken Olum
Laughing Cat
Leaper
Logos
Lone Drifter       *
Lucky Bitch
Mary-anne Wolf     *
Moonchilde         *
Nao
New Kid
Nicarra
Parakeet
Perrian            ABEND
Pincushion
Ruger
Shanalyralithia (see Kadyriatha)
Skeeve
Starchaser
Static
Statyk
Subrata Sircar
Sunkai
T'kee
Tankgirl
Thenomain
Thoughfox
Viola              *
Wanderer           *
Wildside
Wuzzie             *
Yukipuma
Zack Frey          *
Zane               *
'eHvan

* In contact with other patrons, probably lurking.

+ I know for a fact that he or she will never return to the place, or
anywhere else, except in our memories. Peace.

ABEND: Absent By Enforced Netnews Deprivation

This is not EVERYBODY who has left. Just the ones I remember, and miss.
And I added people who SAID they were leaving.  Did they, really?  Hey,
I am just a tin man, I have not the brains of a scarecrow.  So if I put
you on here and you are not MIA, please tell me what a dummy I am.  If
you have MIAs to add, please post, or Email me.

I may have used an alternate persona for someone who usually posts by
another name.  If so, please correct me.  If you are here, and want
others to know you are here, please drop us a line.  Or just walk up to
the board and erase your name.  Thank you, and blessed be.

(Just a note about broken newservers:  If you still have Email to the
internet, you can still post:  The ghost address for Alt.Callahans is
alt-callahans@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, most places, or
alt.callahans-news@newsbase.cs.yale.edu or
alt.callahans@news.demon.co.uk in Britain, or
alt.callahans@uk.co.demon.news from JANET (Thanx, Montemplar).  Email to
that address and it will be posted to the newsgroup!

If you cannot read alt.callahans, but can get email, you may be able to
receive the group in email form from a Callahans patron.  For instance,
John Ockerbloom <ockerbloom@cs.cmu.edu> runs a small alt.callahans
mailing list through his robot Grapevine.  Write him if you'd like to
get on the list.)

Nick Chopper - my opinion? ax not! LB>-}  BOOKY@Forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gasoline Taxes 
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:04:24 GMT

StM writes:
>In article <AA21665.199211031930@tuda.ncl.ac.uk>, dph1jg@tuda.ncl.ac.uk (J.P.Gardner) writes:
>>As for busses: why not let them go 100 MPH and give them their
>>own lane on the highways? That would cause more people to take
>>the bus, especially during rushhour!
>
>While they don't let them exceed the speed limit, in Los Angeles they already
>DO give busses their own lanes on freeways.

  "I was just listening to Evening at the Improv and they said that people
are being caught using inflatable dolls to look like there is more than one
person in the car so the driver can use the Car Pool Lane ! I think its
in Los Angeles ! 'Honest Officer, she's just a little tired. Thats why her
mouth is yawning open !' Gee, I wonder what the fine is for this..." DJ.
  
-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: B'Naal's mail problems
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:57:29 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In private e-mail B'Naal tells me:

>I am currently trying to work out my e-mail adress problem.
>Currently, I have just started a new file in a network
>called stein. Try this address to send e-mail my way:

>            dunk@stein.u.washington.edu

>See if that helps.

Sorry for posting, but, no, it doesn't help.  stein forwards your mail to
dunk@max.u.washington.edu.  Please, talk to the system managers on MAX and/or
BASHFUL and have one of them help you cancel forwarding on their machine.
Or, just mail something to yourself on ANY of the u.washington.edu machines.
You'll get the same loop the rest of us do, but the mailer won't be able to
return the mail so it'll have to send it to your postmaster who, I'm sure,
will be more than glad to help you fix the problem.  Or maybe I can do that
from here.  Let me give it a try.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: DJ's additional fun time
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:30:10 GMT



       "Well, what are you plans now ? " Morticia.

       "I'm going back downstairs and talk to my friends, " Jim.

       "What about me ? " Morticia.

       "Why don't you join us ? However you probably wouldn't like all of the
    story telling, laughter, and singing, nor the puns for that matter, " Jim.

       "Puns ? Laughter ? How gross ! I prefer sadness ! " Morticia.

       "I know. How is Gomez these days ?" Jim.

       "Gomez is doing fine, why do you ask ?" Morticia.

       "Since you haven't met him yet, you can't be the real Morticia !" Jim.

       "Ooops !" Morticia.

       <click> as 'Morticia' fades out, no Snarks tho... 

      "Whew ! What a long strange journey this has been ! I think I'll go
    back downstairs and see if SEA has arrived, " Jim.

       { To Be Continued... }
 
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: illuminati
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:08:37 GMT

     So, does the Tri-Lateral Commission still exist?

-----------Message forwarded from IPSA Mailbox-------------
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:37:22 GMT

In article <memo.741585@cix.compulink.co.uk> maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>In-Reply-To: <1992Nov6.190014.14650@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
>
>>(It was also rather difficult to find out what _else_ was in the
>>platform, since there seem to have been about two copies owned by
>>collectors

>I know that all the campaign documents were on the Internet 
>somewhere, organised by MIT I believe and you could email questions 
>and comments in. I don't have the details anymore, I'm afraid. The 
>posting in a newswire I get said that all the info was already on the 
>net and just needed organising, so it should still be there 
>somewhere? 

	"Actually, I overstated the case somwhat.  The platform was
posted to the net, but not until about mid-October as I recall.  I did
save a copy then, but it was rather long to read from a computer
screen, and by that time no one seemed to be very concerned about it
anymore.  Given that all the controversy occurred in August, if the
platform was supposed to provide some idea of what the party stood for
they probably should have given some idea how a citizen might acquire
it _then_.

	"To tell the truth, I'm not sure what the purpose of party
platforms is anymore-- given the erosion of party discipline and the
inclusion of fairly extreme positions in both parties' platforms, they
don't seem to reflect anything but the interests of the platform
committee.  And given the fact that they don't exactly spread them
around (it was not by the efforts of the parties that their platforms
were made electronically available) the platforms don't even serve to
publicize the parties' positions except insofar as the press pick up
on particular planks.  Reminds me of Douglas Adams: `It was on display
at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet inside a disused lavatory
with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the leopard."  Did you ever
think of going into advertising?'"

Michael
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@amber.uchicago.edu		    Virginia (1784)
From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: An introduction
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:52:27 GMT
Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Nov08.110936.35528@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

>>Pro-Choice                Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
>>            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
>>
>>Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

>Hmmm.  "Yep.  I do beleive we know each other.  Or at least, I remember this
>sig line..."

>Big Al.  The second symptom of old age...

I'm afraid I don't remember you....  Maybe you saw some posts in
talk.abortion that had been crossposted to another group?

-- 
    Beth Bartley               Delurked -- Hi, all!
                "Kbox fall down go boom."    - Ron Levy
"He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who
dares not, is a slave."                - William Drummond
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: An introduction
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 11:09:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov8.031548.6030@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Hi, all.
>
>My name is Beth (well, Edith Elizabeth, but I've always gone by 
>Beth) Bartley. 

Big Al checks out the attribution line.

"you look familiar.  Have we met?"

>Herewith will follow vast quantities of politics....  And my 
>apologies in advance if I go into a subject that's just been done 
>to death; when I said "occasional lurker", I did mean occasional.

"Just, kinda lay off abortion, please.  This place is (as near as I can tell)
flame free.  I'd really appreciate it staying that way."
>
>Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
>            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
>
>Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

Hmmm.  "Yep.  I do beleive we know each other.  Or at least, I remember this
sig line..."

Big Al.  The second symptom of old age...
From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Someone give me Courage.
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:44:23 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@ccw313
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I don't know what's worse, the possibility that someone's self-esteem is
so low that they've been persuaded that they're no more than a tumour on
society, or that they've been sold a bundle of pseudo-scientific crud that
firmly glues a behavioural label onto them which restricts their enjoyment
of life...

Kill an astrologer today and remember that you are a free human being with
ideas and a personality of your own... You'll find it helps a lot if you can
make the jump...

Good luck!

Steve

PS there IS one small correlation here in the UK with date of birth and
employment/education possibilities, but it shifted a month when they changed
the year school started from age on 1st August of that year to 1st september.

Personality-wise (excuse the expression), the only differences d.o.b. made
was in people who'd been told which personality they SHOULD have...

"But then I'm a Libra, and we Libras are very skeptical ;-)"
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 1992 13:42:09 -0500 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gasoline Taxes

>  "I was just listening to Evening at the Improv and they said that people
>are being caught using inflatable dolls to look like there is more than one
>person in the car so the driver can use the Car Pool Lane ! I think its
>in Los Angeles ! 'Honest Officer, she's just a little tired. Thats why her
>mouth is yawning open !' Gee, I wonder what the fine is for this..." DJ.

I've heard stories about blow up dolls and Mannicans.  But there is one
that I heard about which takes the cake.  It happened in virginia I
belive.  Someone had 3 cadavers in the car with him. and the cops still
gave him a ticket I believe!

-I remember the the glory days when we sat with the king.
Dining on meh yams and washing it down with red rum.
ML5A@andrew.cmu.edu Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 07:01:20 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <9211070213.AA02660@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM>, dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David) writes:
>moi:
>  I thought Bush was the candidate running against Congress....

He was, at least to some extent.  And Clinton was promising to work WITH
Congress, more or less.  Basically, he was promising to eliminate the gridlock.

>  More seriously:  I have considerable doubt that 'separation of powers as
>  envisioned by the framers' has existed during my lifetime.  If it (and I'm
>  not certain which candidate *first* called it "gridlock") is the excuse for
>  Bush's failings, then I think it follows that George made promises that went
>  beyond what any president has the authority to deliver -- and I belive he
>  should have known that he was doing so.

That's certainly true.  Now, can you name even ONE Presidential candidate from
either the Republican or the Democratic Party in the last 20 years who DIDN'T
make promises that went beyound what any president has the authority to
deliver?  And not only the candidates, but the voters should have known that
the candidates were doing so.  When Bush made his "no new taxes" campaign
promise, my reaction was, "If he gets elected, will he include a tax increase
in the first budget he proposes, or in the second?"  He held out longer than I
expected.  But far too many citizens of this country believe the sanitized,
orderly model of how the government works that they were given in their high
school civics classes.  The concepts of pork-barrel politics and log-rolling
seem beyond their comprehension.
From: dkrum@romeo.caltech.edu (Krum, David Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: SJ&TCS
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:12:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: romeo.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.194942.3709@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov writes...
>In article 1du7h1INN9gm@gap.caltech.edu, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.142424.25583@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum) writes:
>>=How sad that one of the greatest groups will be hardly noticed in passing--
>>=all we have left now is Peter Schickle (sic) and B.D.Q. Bach--
>>
>>Are you SURE about the spelling?  I thought there was another vowel in there
>>someplace.  And it's P.D.Q. Bach.  And Shickele retired the act about two years
>>ago (or said he was retiring the act).
>>
>>=Now I have to really look for some Spike Jones so my children will have
>>=some cultural knowledge of his work.  They've seen all the Ernie Kovacks
>>=stuff I can find, as well as the Three Stooges--


You are going to show me some Spike Jones, Dad?


>>
>>See if you can find the movie _Fireman_Save_My_Child_.  Starring Spike Jones,
>>Buddy Hackett, and the City Slickers.
> 
>Naturally, since my fingers wander about the keyboard in their usual random,
>senseless fashion--speelling is a disaster at times!  No, I'm NEVER sure about
>spelling lately!
> 
>Anyway, the Professor is still on PBS locally, with something called
>"Schickele (sic) Mix"  and still putting out CD's.  PDQ may be silent, bnut
>he is still up to his old tricks.  (I`m just gonna let the errors ride--)
> 
>YEP, the cultural context is a lot of fun--thanks for the data.  I'll try
>to find it (in BETA, of course :>)).
> 
>--Troll

Actually, Dad, and everyone else out there, the Prof is still doing P.D.Q.
Bach.  What he retired from was touring with P.D.Q. Bach's music.  This was
about a year and a half or so ago.  You see he came to Caltech last year for a
little concert of his own music.  I was taking a music class and he came to
that class.  We listened to his serious work and asked questions.  I got an
autograph.  The music was very good.  Very melodic and warm.  

What people don't realize is that he is a very good composer of serious music.
He did the soundtrack for Silent Running, that classic sci-fi environmental
movie with Bruce Dern.  He also worked with Joan Baez on her cover of
Eleanor Rigby.  His fame is through P.D.Q. Bach, and he is still working on
that, a new album is in the works, he said, but I guess the touring was a bit
much.  I encourage people to listen to his serious work.  It's probably hard
to find.

So P.D.Q. Bach still has some music to be discovered, Peter Schickele writes
great serious music, yes I am the son of the troll, no we did not see the
blue flash here at Caltech's annual Halloween Pumpkin (frozen in LN2) Drop.

Ok?

No sig, don't know how to make one, I'm busy with my .vfingerpic

David Krum

Dave "The Wave" Krum
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:36:51 GMT

In another article lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
->In some article pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
->=The Nightstalker appears from under a pile of papers on colliding galaxies
->=that lies in a corner of the bar, and hands Mike the following......
->
->Well, he's at it again.  I *DO* wish he wouldn't come in here and immediately
->start preaching.

Pots and kettles, StM.  You preach in your own way; just that you don't preach
about religion.
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu		        	   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today? 
************************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi*********************
  I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner by God.  Just witness.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:31:27 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

> Danger Mouse nods. "True, most of our population centres are south-eastish.
> But there are Perth, Darwin, and largish towns elsewhere. And because
> distances between towns are usually quite large, it is necessary for
> people to do a lot of driving to get from some remote place to the nearest
> large centre.
> 
> "Metro areas? Well, I can only describe Sydney right now. Suburban Sydney
> stretches almost exactly 100 kilometres from east to west (I just measured
> it off a street directory), and almost as far north-south. I live some
> 30 km from the central business district (and travel that each way every
> day by train). I guess Melbourne would be similar in size. So, how _does_
> this compare to the USA?"
> - Danger Mouse. 

Well, certainly population centers are spread further apart in general.  I
don't know much about metro areas - the Cleveland-Akron area is about the size
of Sydney from your description - and I haven't really lived in Pittsburgh
long enough to have a good feel for its size.  I'm only 2 miles from work so
the majority of my driving is 120 miles to Cleveland to see Toothpick where
they just implemented a new cleaner (more expensive) gasoline that was forced
on 30+ of the more polluted metropolitan areas of the U.S.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 P'relan (and Birith)      	   ``Time stand still -
 jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu      I'm not looking back -
  or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet	     But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:45:03 GMT
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: ajm@wag.caltech.edu's message of 11 Nov 1992 01:57:05 GMT

"It is perhaps worth noting that most great physicists are religious.
Hey, maybe they know something we don't."

__R