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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:55:35 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven

(I've trimmed the rice newsgroups out of the distribution.  I probably
should drop it from tx and houston.general as well but ..)

In article <1992Aug17.233813.9840@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:
>Perhaps.  But the federal government has made it clear that they will
>administer the law according to how they think it should read, rather
>than how the SC says it reads.

Then let's vote the bastards out.  We are the government and somewhere along
the line those in power now have the idea that they are doing what we the
people desire.  Perhaps they're wrong.  We've got a prime chance to make
the changes this November. 

>A good example is the case of RU486,
>where the FDA and other federal government bodies have decided to ban
>it from the US, even though it's clearly as safe as surgical abortion
>and abortion is clearly legal.  And yet they are quite honest about
>the fact that they oppose RU486 simply because this administration 
>opposes abortion.

If you feel strongly about something write your congressman and let them
know how you feel about it.  Let them know you want this law changed and
the reason you want it changed.  Tell them you'll vote for their oponent
and get all your friends to do the same.

People have got to get active if they want change.  Setting fires to George
Bush dummies (like the other night) doesn't cut it in my book.  You've got
to fight from the inside and attack from the rear.

-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:00:38 GMT
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven

In article <16846EEAB.JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett) writes:
>Yes, and the Clinic Defense effort isn't overtly attempting to sway
>anti-choicers' views -- it's just trying to keep the clinics open
>so that people can exercise their court-verified right to an abortion.

I've been doing some reading on the '68 Democratic Convention in Chicago
recently -- We wouldn't need Clinic Defense if we just operated like Mayor
Daily did and send out some thugs to bust some heads.

Things were sure different in the old days.

-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
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From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:29:51 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

Followup-To: tx.politics
  
Thanks for the reminder, Catherine.  Hope I did this right.
  
In article <Bt6pEy.FBz@rice.edu>, rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
> |> Booting someone out of Houston is too ambitious.  But if we can 
> |> separate OR people screaming "murderer" and "baby killer" from people
> |> who have a right to use the clinics, I'll be satisfied.
> 
> I hope I'm misunderstading the above remark.
> 
> I see a bit of a contradiction here.  The OR people, on public property,
> have every right to scream "murder" and "baby killer".  Clinic patients
> also have the right to safe passage to the clinic.  Its when laws are
> broken <like OR people posing as patients) that you've got a problem.
 
I think we're saying the same thing.  The OR people definitely have a
right to scream whatever they want, on public property (although they
don't remain on public property.  Currently they are under a court
injunction to stay 100 feet from the property line, but they don't do it
at all.)  And the clinic patients have the right to use the clinic.  I was
just saying that the patients and OR need to be separated from each 
other, either by the police or by clinic defenders.  

Clinic defenders are still needed, btw.
-- 
Jaclyn Brandt
jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
--
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.040828.3489@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.015745.13019@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
>
>A Roman Catholic parish in NW Houston (along Hwy 249) boldy proclaims
>that they will provide for any pregnant woman who will carry her
>child to term -- is this accusational?

really?  will they care for this mother and the child until the child is
18?  Or do we just support the mothers until the child is born and then
toss them back out onto the streets to fend for themselves and their
child?  

>I would highly suggest that you look deeper into the pro-life cause
>before you universally brand us as uncaring.

I have one more 'I will agree with a prolife sentiment when,'  when
there isn't one more child on the face of this planet that starves to
death, or sits in a orphanage wanting with all its heart to have loving
parents, when there isn't one more unwanted child born into a family.

Prolifers are great at bringing children to term... and then they tend
to dump mother and unwanted child out into the street to fend for
themselves... or they end up on welfare and the rest of us pay for their
existance.  Want to know what happens to unwanted children that aren't
planned on and really wanted by healthy people?  Listen to the news.
when was the last time a baby was found in a dumpster? Last week, a
month ago?  Well, the prolifers helped bring it to term.  Aren't they
proud of themselves?  Just think, they brought it into this world so it
could suffer.. .what a noble cause [This is sarcasm for those that
missed it].

Lorra

Newsgroups: houston.general
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Lunch bunch
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: houston
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:35:58 GMT

In article <CORYWEST.92Aug19230947@rio-grande.rice.edu> corywest@rice.edu (Cory West) writes:
>In article <SBYRNES.92Aug19225445@rio-grande.rice.edu> sbyrnes@rice.edu 
>(Steven Byrnes) writes:
>
>>  So, what do y'all think?
>
>	I'll bring the raw vegetables :-).
>
>				-Cory West

Let's do it!  Then we can digress back into unix talk and forget all this
Operation Rescue / Convention stuff.


-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
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From: paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:20:39 GMT
	<1992Aug17.232131.9555@NeoSoft.com> <Bt6pEy.FBz@rice.edu>
Reply-To: Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu>
Followup-To: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Distribution: tx
Organization: Center for Research on Parallel Computations

This discussion should probably move to tx.politics and rice.politics.
I guess it can stay in houston.general, since there is no
houston.politics.  I've changed this followups line accordingly.

(I'm not the thought police; I just want to continue this discussion
in the appropriate places.)

--
Paul Havlak			Dept. of Computer Science
Graduate Student		Rice University, Houston TX 77251-1892
PFC/ParaScope projects		(713) 527-8101 x2738 	paco@cs.rice.edu
From: leong@cs.utexas.edu (Jay H. Leong)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Test
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:15:00 -0500
Organization: University of Texas
Distribution: houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

This is a Test.

Newsgroups: houston.general
From: gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice action, rallies
Organization: Tennessee Ernie Port Authority
Distribution: houston
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:34:29 GMT

Just adding a couple of (fairly informed) notes.

In article <mumble> Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu> writes:
|    If you're pro-choice and want to show it, there are tons of
|activities this week, ranging from clinic defense to rallies with
|entertainment.

|CLINIC DEFENSES
|    I've done this the last two mornings, and haven't seen any
|confrontations yet, although things could get worse.

Operation Rescue got here in earnest yesterday, Saturday the 15th, to
coincide with the beginning of the convention.  (As I understand it.)

|    The point is to defend the clinics and guarantee access by
|patients, not to engage in arguments with anti-choice folks (I had to
|be reminded!).

So far at least, you are more likely to get into arguments with
pro-choice folks over whether to express your opinions peacefully or
violently.  Be prepared for "friendly fire".  (In sum: Houston
Defending Choice, who is organizing the whole thing, are there for
clinic defense and patient escort, and that's all.  The militant
Revolutionary Communist Party and National Women's Rights Organizing
Coalition are there to beat the stuffing out of Operation Rescue
people.)

|    Oh, and be prepared -- bring sunblock, visor or hat, NO purses or
|backpacks (hip pouches ok), snacks and water if possible, NO sandles.

DO bring sunblock, hat, and water.  DO NOT wear jewelry, by which
assailants may try to drag you.

-- 
Ben Gamble                              B0 f- t+ w- g+ k- s- m- e r-v p
gamble@owlnet.rice.edu 
       Oh ye who go about saying unto each other:  "Hello sailor":
       Dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods?
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Gecko plague
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:46:49 GMT

Is anyone out there articulately familiar with the
natural history of this week's "gecko" (I think
they're actually of the genus Anolis, but I'd be
happy to learn something more definite) invasion?
Baby lizards are falling from the sky (well,
jumping on me from my garage ceiling), darting
across computer room floors, peering out from
typewriters, and so on.  Is it known that this
population explodes occasionally, or was I not
paying attention in previous years, or what?
Published references welcome.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
From: corywest@rice.edu (Cory West)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:13:20 GMT
	<Bt2w14.9wq@xcluud.sccsi.com> <7134@lib.tmc.edu>
Organization: Well, none really, but I know where my socks are!

In article <7134@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:

>>What a noble but misguided comment.  Operation Rescue is the work of 
>>religious fundamentalists and not your federal government.  Your federal
>>government is not allowed to participate in such shenanigans.
>
> I think Cory's point is that Operation Rescue wants to impose their ideas on us
> through the federal government, i.e., laws forbidding all abortions.

	I know that O.R. != the federal government, but their ultimate goal is
some assurance that abortion will be made unavailable to everyone.  The only
real way to do this is to have laws passed making abortion illegal.  These 
people believe that the government has a right to make laws telling us what
we can and can't do with and to our bodies.   This can be seen in many states
sodomy laws.  It still really baffles me how anyone can care what consenting
adults do in private anyway (but that's a different topic).

	Anyway, I was indeed referring to what David Gutierrez mentioned and
I don't think it's at all misguided.


			Cory West, corywest@rice.edu
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From: corywest@rice.edu (Cory West)
Subject: Re: Lunch bunch
Organization: Well, none really, but I know where my socks are!
Distribution: houston
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:09:47 GMT

In article <SBYRNES.92Aug19225445@rio-grande.rice.edu> sbyrnes@rice.edu 
(Steven Byrnes) writes:

>  So, what do y'all think?

	I'll bring the raw vegetables :-).

				-Cory West
From: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: What happened to bitsink?
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Organization: Yeah, right, sure!

On Thu, 6 Aug 1992 02:09:41 GMT, Paul Hutmacher said:

> (I think the world feeds bitsink news)

:) Actually, I get news from more than one site out of courtesy as I'm
still pulling news over at a pathetic 2400 bps (I hope to get that fixed
one of these days).  I spread the groups I get over a few sites with
little, and in some cases no, overlap...
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:14:59 GMT

In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
>prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.
>
>I'd be curious to see if there's any variation in local crime this week.

I know there's a zillion DPS guys doing traffic patrol on the freeways.
I'm not used to keeping my eyes open for black and whites inside of town
and almost got nailed for an over zealous use of my throttle.


-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
From: kridnix@faraday.rice.edu (Alan Cheville)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Where to go to do brakes?
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:14:49 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Oops, hit the wrong key on that last post...  

I always reccommend Cunningham Auto Service over by the Dome.  Haven't been there
in a few years, but the times I went they were very honest, and very helpful.  
I.e. telling me which things I should get done first and which could wait
until I scraped more money together.  They are not cheap, but I figure it is
better to get the job done right rather than risk paying the same amount for
a shitty job and work I don't need.

-- 
Alan Cheville   	 # For this is the school of Babylon
Electrical Engineering	 # And at its hands we learn
Rice. U.		 # To walk into the furnaces
Houston		 	 # And whistle as we burn.
		 	 # 		-T. Blackburn
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:07:32 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <16846EEAB.JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> JLOCK00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Joseph L. Lockett) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.175254.13756@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
>martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin) writes:

>>As for 'booting' anyone out of Houston--I seem to recall that there is a
>>large bunch of pro-abortion fanatics camped out around the astrodome.
>>It seems as if it would only be fair to send them away as well.
> 
>See above.  'Pro-abortion' is a loaded term, 

so is anti-choice, hypocrite.

>by the way, unless you're
>attempting (unsuccessfully) to 'subtly' advocate the anti-choice view.

>>Just go vote and make your views known that way--that's
>>the purpose of a democracy.
> 
>Yes, and the Clinic Defense effort isn't overtly attempting to sway
>anti-choicers' views 

anti-choice and anti-life, that must be it.  Some people just can't see
how they do what they judge others for...

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:08:53 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

In article <1992Aug19.141416.17804@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>really?  will they care for this mother and the child until the child is
>18?  Or do we just support the mothers until the child is born and then
>toss them back out onto the streets to fend for themselves and their
>child?  
>
>>I would highly suggest that you look deeper into the pro-life cause
>>before you universally brand us as uncaring.
>
>I have one more 'I will agree with a prolife sentiment when,'  when
>there isn't one more child on the face of this planet that starves to
>death, or sits in a orphanage wanting with all its heart to have loving
>parents, when there isn't one more unwanted child born into a family.

Being unhappy or poor isn't punishable by death, the last time I checked.






---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
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From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Where is the IKEA?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:19:29 GMT


How to get to IKEA from 290:

I am not overly familiar with the NW part of town so I don't promise
this is the shortest way to get there, but it's probably the simplest
to explain.  I and my checkbook were all too familiar with STOR though
we've only been there once since it became Ikea.

Take 290 into Houston, to 610.  Take 610 south to I-10, a very short
trip.  Take I-10 west and exit at Antoine -- I think it's the first
exit after you get off of 610.  Ikea will be on the right and it's
hard to miss since the building is done in bright blue and yellow.

If you want to briefly take your mind off furniture, or have a snack
to eat while you assemble your purchases, I _highly_ recommend the
vanilla butter cookies (called "Vanilla Dreams," I think, sold in
a black plastic bowl).  I think I really just made this posting so I
could mention these cookies -- I seldom venture outside the loop, so
there has to be someone who knows an easier way than I do to get to
Ikea from College Station.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
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From: homer@korova.uucp (Homer The Brave)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice C
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:57:30 GMT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

I, for one, am really sick of reading abortion debates on 
houston.general.

Anyone else?

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:06:55 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <Bt2w14.9wq@xcluud.sccsi.com> paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
writes:
>In article <CORYWEST.92Aug15000038@helpdesk.rice.edu> corywest@rice.edu (Cory
West) writes:
>>	It's time that the government kept their hands off of our
>>bodies and out of our sex lives.
>
>What a noble but misguided comment.  Operation Rescue is the work of 
>religious fundamentalists and not your federal government.  Your federal
>government is not allowed to participate in such shenanigans.

I think Cory's point is that Operation Rescue wants to impose their ideas on us
through the federal government, i.e., laws forbidding all abortions.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
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From: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Reply-To: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.175254.13756@mksol.dseg.ti.com> martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin) writes:
>In article <wasg.713825815@titan> wasg@cs.rice.edu (Eric Salituro) writes:
>>If you would like to help out on clinic defense, but don't want to get
>>physical, Planned Parenthood is looking for people willing to
>>videotape the clinic defense effort.
>>
>>Let's Boot Operation Rescue Out Of Houston!
>>
>
>Abortion--whether you like it or dislike it is an issue--let people have
>their say and leave it at that--we don't need anyone chasing anyone else
>out of town.  Just go vote and make your views known that way--that's
>the purpose of a democracy.
>

All true, everybody has the right to assemble and let their views be known.
However, the original article concerned itself with clinic defense which
refers to a bunch of operation rescue outlaws breaking the law by blocking
the clinic doors. The original poster was probably referring to the outlaws
with the booting out comment. Not only do these people have *no* right to
assemble this way, they have *no* right to let their views be known in
this manner either. Having failed to obey the society's laws in which they
live, booting them out would seem to be the humane alternative with respect
to other techniques that come to mind.

With respect to your comparison of the rightly assembled group in Houston,
the ones that broke the law (6 of them I believe) have already been arrested.
The pro-choice group do not have an established pattern of outlaw behaviour
in contrast to the anti-abortion group. Your analogy was inappropriate.

Reha Elci

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From: wasg@cs.rice.edu (Eric Salituro)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:56:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

If you would like to help out on clinic defense, but don't want to get
physical, Planned Parenthood is looking for people willing to
videotape the clinic defense effort.

You will be trained and supplied with all the necessary equipment and
tapes. Having a camera is helpful but not necessary.

For more information call Planned Parenthood at (713) 522-3976, and ask for
Ann Glazier.

If you want to help out in other areas of clinic defense, call the
Houston Defending Choice Hotline at (713) 981-2884.

Let's Boot Operation Rescue Out Of Houston!


-- 
Copyright 1990 Eric Salituro		Eric Salituro @ Rice University
This is not a .signature line...	Houston TX 77251-1892 
					(713) 527-8101 x2474
Life is like a metaphor.		INTERNET: wasg@rice.edu
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