HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:36:11 GMT

In <1992Oct13.020626.10802@micor.ocunix.on.ca> grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson) writes:
>I was actually talking about gay virginity with my ex-boyfriend not too long
>ago.  I figured there are four ways for a man to lose his virginity to another
>man: anal active, anal passive, oral active and oral passive.  I suppose if
>you're bi, there's always the fifth, i.e. vaginal.  I feel so...*accomplished*
>now that I've lost my virginity *five* times...

I take it you're not distinguishing between male and female for the anal
active/passive and the oral active/passive.
I personally make a difference but that's probably 'cause I've got the oral
for one sex and not the other...
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: National Coming Out Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:55:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct12.135515.17642
Organization: Western Washington University


	This year it has been just over a year since I started coming out
to people; not so much by buttonholeing them and saying "Hey!  I'm queer! 
I'm bisexual!" but more by not masking that part of myself.  I started
allowing myself to appreciate and express my attraction to women
consciously and verbally, began participating in (even initiating)
conversations about queerness in my social group; I left my copies of Bi
Any Other Name and Susie Sexpert's Lesbian Sex World sitting out when
people came over (as opposed to making sure they were put away on the
bookshelf [hidden in plain sight] or under something) - I even lent them
out to other people.  I talked about reading soc.motss and soc.bi, issues
I read about there; I stopped being nervous or wiping the screen when
people came up to me as I was reading news and had the opportunity to read
over my shoulder.  I wore my pink triangle (at first with fear and
trepiation, waiting every minute on the bus or on the street for someone
to confront me) on my coat, where anyone could see it.  Over the past year
I've slowly come to be much more comfortable with who I am, because I'm
not hiding from myself or other people. 
	The only quasi-sour note was this weekend, when my parents came up
to visit.  I decided to quit hiding from them too.  I had even decided to
try to steer the conversation in a direction where I could come out to
them.  They couldn't even hear the word queer, though, when I used it in
the conversation.  My father said "did I hear you say the word I thought I
did?" to which I replied "what word was that?"  but he just muttered and
wouldn't continue the conversation - my mother wasn't listening at all. 
<sigh>  At least, though, I feel good, because it isn't me hiding anymore,
it's their unwillingness to hear.

	Happy Coming Out Day!  It really is freeing, be your methods loud
or quiet.  ;)
-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: t-shirt idea
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:30:25 GMT

[NB: crossposted to soc.bi and soc.motss; followup at will]

The following appeared in alt.fan.dan-quayle in a discussion about
election campaign bumper stickers. I thought that some of the women here
might find it amusing.

>Speaking of bumperstickers, I'm going to repost this request, because I'm
>still looking. I have a friend who has a friend who gave him a T-shirt he\
>bought in Chicago that says "Lick Bush in 92". If anyone knows a source
>for bumperstickers with this slogan, please let me know.


<> "Oh wow! I'm queer! Yippee!"
<>            Revelations 10:19

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: National Coming Out Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:17:05 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

borah@cs.cornell.edu (Vicki Borah) writes:
>I don't usually post, but it is, of course, a good day for
>demuffining, so here I am. Happy National Coming Out Day from yet
>another bisexual queer cuddly person.

Cuddly?  Did you say cuddly?  >POUNCE<  >snarf<  >hug<  >snuggle<

>(Fenthe/Daniel, do I get a hug now?)
>--Vicki

Mike, who's neither Fenthe nor Dan, but likes to ride the welcome
wagon all the same
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: National Coming Out Day
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:28:56 GMT
Organization: A slight improvement.

In <1baj8qINNqku@agate.berkeley.edu> jcripe@garnet.berkeley.edu (Janice E. Cripe) writes:
>Since today is National Coming Out Day, I thought I'd add
>myself to the long list of people I've seen demuffining
>themselves recently and go ahead and post.

Welcome to soc.bi 

*hugs*

set northern-hemisphere-mode on 

What is it about autumn/fall that causes this flurry of demuffinings?
The beginning of term? 

set northern-hemisphere-mode off

Hmm..this definitely calls for some research. Carried out by me, in the
northern hemisphere where there is a concentration of soc.bi'ers. Now
all I need is funding.

(Down here it's spring and it's wonderful; and the university year runs
from late Feb to late Nov, except when you're a graduate and then it 
never seems to stop)

Vashti 
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Vashti Galpin                      vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa.  Tel 27(11)716-3295 Fax 27(11)403-1926
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: female v. male bisexuals.
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:37:54 GMT
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	<iw.718392846@tosser>
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: iw@tosser.Rational.COM's message of 6 Oct 92 17:34:06 GMT

In article <iw.718392846@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>Its funny - a lot of people seem to think that women know instinctively
>how to please other women.

*sigh*...this idea/expectation has made it *much* harder for me to do
*anything* with women.  Maybe some/most women *do* know this, I dunno...
but I sure don't.  After I started being attracted to women but before I
had had sex with a woman, I would talk to some of my friends about this,
and they weren't terribly helpful; the idea being that I'd just *know*
what to do.  *grin*...I had a couple of dreams where I was kissing this
one woman I was attracted to (straight, unfortunately), and we were
clearly going to do more.  I told a friend of mine about this and she
asked "so, did you figure out how to have sex?"  I didn't...I woke up
before we got there...*wry grin*.  I don't *like* being bad at things...
I don't like feeling like I don't know what I'm doing. (complain,
complain...*grin*).

>In truth I find women very complex sexually.  Whenever I sleep with a
>woman I am generally stunned at how different she is physically
>from me, and I wonder how I will ever find my way around.  I have alot
>of sympathy for men and no longer wonder at those blind adolescent
>fumblings. 

I never did...how should *anyone* else know what I like or don't like
unless I tell them somehow? *smile*  Still, for a long time, it was hard
to talk about it.  It's particularly hard to tell someone "I really
*don't* like that," but I've learned, and it isn't so bad after all...
*smile*...people aren't crushed, they just try something else...

>The biggest mistake one can make with a woman is to assume she  likes
>things other women like.

Even if she does, why should she like the things *I* like?  That's what
always got to me, people saying "just do what you like to have done to
you."  Well, first, I didn't/don't know *how* to do some of those
things...*grin*...I just know how to have them *done* to me...*laugh*.
Second, I don't like *everything*, so I'd probably miss something that
she *does* like because I don't like it, or haven't tried/heard
about/thought about it.

As you say, communication is very important.  I hope the next woman (if
any...*sigh*) I get involved with will be willing to talk...a *LOT*...
*smile*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: jcripe@garnet.berkeley.edu (Janice E. Cripe)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: public reactions
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:41:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

A few weeks back my husband bought me a "Nobody Knows
I'm Bisexual" T-shirt.  I wore it in downtown Berkeley
the next weekend.  After some initial fear that it might
provoke some ugly confrontations, I forgot that I was
wearing it.  The only people who said anything about it
were friendly and positive.  I noticed one woman
walking down the street who, although she said nothing,
stared and gave me a welcoming grin and that was a pleasant
thrill.  The other people whom I noticed reading it didn't
say anything although I did get some wondering grins and
some disapproving scowls.

Then I wore the shirt on a trip to LA.  On the way, we stopped
at a rest stop and I stayed in the car while my husband was
using the facilities. The guy who was cleaning out the garbage
cans walked by the car.  I didn't realize that one could read
the shirt through the windshield until he looked straight at
me and _crossed himself_!  That was a big surprise, but also
a bit amusing.  It's not like the shirt said "Nobody Knows
I'm the Devil".  When we got to LA, things were pretty relaxed.
Most of our friends down there know about us already, but those
who may not have been sure were pretty open about seeing the shirt.
The big challenge came when my husband and I went to the
Brea mall (deep in the heart of Orange County!) and I didn't
change my shirt before going.  I was feeling a bit nervous about
what might happen, but also feeling like I had every right to
wear whatever I wanted.  We discussed possible replies to
confrontational people (no one said anything to us) settling
on, "How else am I gonna find another woman?" as my favorite
reason for wearing it.  I wondered, as I watched people read
the shirt, what they were thinking.  The reactions ranged
from bemused smiles (from a variety of people), lustful looks
(from a couple of marine-looking teenage boys), to disdainful
frowns (again, from many different people).

I guess we were lucky to have been left alone, although
it was an awfully public place for a confrontation to happen
anyway.  And yet, I still wish someone had said something so
I could test my ability to defend my choice (to accept my
bisexuality _and_ to proclaim it on the shirt).  I was hoping,
by wearing the shirt, that someone who was hiding his/her
bisexuality (seeing as we were in Orange County) might feel
better about him/herself is some small way by seeing someone
else who was trying to deal with the same issues openly.  The next 
big step will be to decide whether to wear the shirt to work;
thank goodness I work at such a liberal university!

Just wanted to get that off my chest (and if you ever see
my chest, you'll realize what an effort that can be!).

Thanks folks!

- Janice

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 I'm not a heterosexual, but I play one on TV.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New Group Formed!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:30:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct14.111230.16209@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
->
->   This culminates a year of activism towards Bi visibility by Karina
->& myself. The convener of the Lesbian Collective (also one of our
->founding members and a good friend) made many speeches during the evening
->about certain homophobic posters that appeared on campus and included
->Bi people every time she mentioned lesbians & gay men. Many others also
->did so.

Coolness! Great! General smiles and hugs for both of you! (and hell,
everyone else who wants them)

Great job, Joe.  Congratulations.  

->   ...We are both completely over the moon about this! It's pizza &
->chocolate mousse time for me!!! [grin]

*smile* Enjoy ... (*offers a spoon to Karina*)

-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu            bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
                   The test results came back today ... 
                           I'm queer-positive ... 
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:30:47 GMT

In article <39031@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.011145.5067@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>In article <38932@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>+>
>+>Personally I like Carbon Dating. It really does give reasonably
>+>acruate results. Traditional dates have been proven to be in error.
>+>
>+>Funny I don't think I've heard of the 'High School Prom' dating
>+>method. Does it use some new scientific technique?
>+
>+You find out what the theme song was at someone's H.S. prom, compare
>+it with Billboard's greatests hits list, and you've dated them...
>
>No wonder it's been difficult for me to date people. I never learned the
>pop chart.

Well, I remember when the Beatles were on the pop chart, but I'm probably
dating myself.
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:09:54 GMT

In article <Bw4DDK.Aro@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk 
 (the Crisco Kid) writes:
[...]
>*WHAP* (bonks Albert on the head with a stick)
[...]
>*WHAP* (bonks Colin on the head)
[...]
>boggles, and *WHAP*s Albert again, just to be on the safe side
[...]
>Yodels, puts hand up furry glove-puppet, and *GOOSE*s Colin (OK, I know
>this ain't a canonical Zen thing to do, bu (*WHAP*s himself on the head)
 
   If you meet Kay on the road, duck!

Another argument for Taoism...

(or perhaps Punch-and-Judy-ism... ;)



-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:00:13 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <Bw3t49.Ao5@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>Or kill me.
>(Now, will anyone get *that* reference?)
>
Oh no, not here too!!!!  <sigh> 

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:16:22 GMT

In article <2ad078bb@ThreeL.co.uk> adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:
|*pop!*  ...another muffin appears.
   .
   .
   .
|I'll be around Santa Clara/San Jose 9-18 October.

    Oh, aaaarrrggghhh!  I *knew I shoulda held off visiting the bay area
until later!   Drat drat drat drat!!!

    (In case anyone is wondering, this is a *very *yummy man indeed.)

    david parsons
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Kilroy
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 03:47:43 GMT

 crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

[Kilroy: despite his silver hair, quite a repulsive person]

>> Aak! Tomorrow? Yesterday, by the time this newsfeed has sorted itself out..
>>Gah! Gah! Gah! Has anyone, by some chance, got a copy of this they could lend?
>>I'd be *eternally* grateful..
>
>I'd like to see the videotape, too, if only because I've seen some
>photos of soc.bi people now, and met Dave Berry in person.
>
>Thinks: If Fenthe wants to see it too, this could be the opportunity
>for us to meet? Plan, scheme, plan, and scheme again...

I know of a man in Norwich who offered a video with that, Erotica, and
the Equinox programme on Gaiety: nature and nurture (okay, so I don't know
the real title)... to people on uk-motss. I'm sure something could be arranged.

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:36:46 GMT

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
: 
: The nice thing is it got me over the catholic madonna/whore paradox
: that I was raised under.

Well, in my imperfect knowledge of you, aided by your recent posts, I'd
say you didn't so much "get over" that particular delight amongst the
festering set of western role models.  More, it seems, you grabbed it
with both hands, wrestled it to the floor, gained victory over it, then
said "Right, if this is what you want, this is what you'll get,"
producing in the process your own delightful perversion of that priest's
wet dream.

After all, paradoxes can be rather good for you... [Mike ducks in case
Kay is in the area]  The_Devine_Dolly stands as one more particularly
fine debunking of the ideas that keep us down.

hugs
Mike, "what, me?  politicized?  don't *think* so .."
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
    "It's only knock and knowall, but I like it" - Genesis (the first one)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 19:42:34 -0400 
From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
	<1992Oct5.192715.1849@netcom.com>

Excerpts from netnews.soc.motss: 5-Oct-92 speculative fiction w/non s..
Nao Parkhurst@cc.swarthm (1837)

> Especially since she's [Diane Duane]
> written a fantasy series, two of whose main characters are gay, and one of
> whom is bi/lesbian (can't remember off the top of my head which.) The books
> whose titles I remember are _Door into Fire_ and (I *think*) _Door into
Stone_.

Four books: _The Door into {Fire, Shadow, Sunset, Starlight}_  The first
three are published (although the third isn't out in the US yet, damn
damn damn)

But let me insert my usual disclaimer about these books. *None* of the
characters in them are gay, or lesbian, or bi in any terrestrial sense
of the word. Or straight. None of them have even *heard* of any of these
terms.... :-)

--Z
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tmo@harry.engin.umich.edu (Tanya M Ollick)
Subject: Re: being "in love"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:10:22 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan (CAEN)
Originator: tmo@harry.engin.umich.edu


In article <26767@castle.ed.ac.uk>, mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
> tmo@harry.engin.umich.edu (Tanya M Ollick) writes:
> [stuff about phobic parent]
> 
> Mike *swears* he detects the odour of fresh muffin hereabouts ...
> apologies if it's just a memory bank failure or some such.
> Either way, I rashly leap forward and offer
> 
> >>e-hugs<<
> 
> in copious supply. 
>
> [...]

Er, yes, I guess I didn't point out that this was my official "first post."
It took me two hours to compose it because of interruptions (because I'm at work), so not everything I wanted to say got said. Not too late to be included in the warm, wet welcome, I hope.

TMO (who's taking an aikido test tonight and is WAY too nervous to work anyway)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky the art fag!!)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:05:34 GMT

>In article <LIZ.92Oct5132505@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> liz@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Liz Highleyman) writes:
>+gender or think of it in such an either/or way.  Also, the sexuality
>+of a TS/TG doesn't fit traditional categories: if a person with a
>+male body and a female psyche is attracted to women, are they gay
>+or straight?
>

i have always been confused by this myself.  i finally decided to stop
	trying to figure it out and just said that it is up to the 
	individual to decide that one and left it at that.
i myself, being a male-2-female ts, have just been considering myself lesbian.



-simply noid


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:52:36 GMT

 baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:

[and I pause in replying to trim newsgroups with a sense of proportion]

>i am putting together a survey on romantic jealousy. I'd like to include a
>part where I'd have 10-20 adjectives that people commonly associate with
>romantic jealousy and their feelings. A couple of examples I can think of
>off the top of my head are: angry, upset, lonely. I'd like to get a few
>from a few dozen people so I can compile a list of the most common for use
>on the survey.

possessive?? The others I can think of are merely cynical expansions of
"romantic" and "jealous".

>The survey will be completed in around 2-3 weeks and I will be sending a
>paper version to hopefully a few hundred people. It will consist of around
>35 quick "check the box" questions, and 2 or 3 write a sentence or two
>items. I will include a self addressed stamped envelope with the survey
>(which can also be faxed back). I'd like to get responses of people from  
>every sexual orientation and age. My only requirement is that you currently
>are in a relationship with a "significant other" in some way for over two
>weeks.

Possessive and prejudiced? A significant other? hmm. Just the one, do you think?
Or will romantic jealousy set in? After two weeks? Interesting parameters.

I don't need this at nearly 08.00, grumble, grumble.

Tanaqui