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From: was@gdwb.oz.au (Warren Stokes)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: X400 addressing
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:51:57 GMT

I am attempting to use the telememo.au gateway.

The address I have is

/I=LI/G=Les/S=Trudzik/OU=Advanced Development/O=State Electricity Commission 
of Victoria/

I have had success using les.trudzik@secv.telememo.au but this address was
given to me - I cannot see how one can determine this from the X400 address
above.

I thought it might be possible to use the X400 address with the suffix
@telememo.au but the mail bounced because of the spaces in the O field.

Any thoughts?


-- 
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Phone: +61 52 262598		61-67 Ryrie St Geelong
Fax:   +61 52 218236		Victoria 3220 Australia
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From: zeiglea@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Anthony Zeigler)
Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
Subject: Re: A question of law (was Re: A question of ethics)
Keywords: ethics cracking law
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:09:57 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <bwa.703071833@munagin> bwa@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (barry w anderson) writes:
>Guys this is fascinating BUT isn't the XX admin (point well taken Tim 8-)
>impersonating user A on machine YY, and is this not a crime i.e. Computer
>Trespass? If the YY admin had intended the XX admin to have powers such as the
>deletion of user's binaries, then would he or she (ugly but grammatically
>correct unlike "they" and less blatant than "she") not have created an account
>on YY for the XX admin with at least some administrative priveleges?
>
>Anyway, the discussion was interesting...
>
>Barry
I second this. I don't know much (like zippo :-) about computer law and
have learned quite a nifty bit. I thank the debaters. (and barry's point
is pretty good)
Ziggy
From: co_314704919@covax.commerce.uq.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Test..please ignore
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:02:19 AEST
Organization: University of Queensland

This is a test... please ignore!
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: brennan@coco.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: Leeds Uni??
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:44:24 GMT

	Hi People!!

	We're trying to locate an e-mail address for:

	Professor Verna Wright
	Dept of Rheumatology, General Infirmary, Leeds

	Thanks for your assistance. 
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+ The University of Sydney                  voice: +61 2 646 6402    /     \  +
+ East Street, Lidcombe, NSW 2141             fax: +61 2 646 4853    \_,-._*  +
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Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
From: miw@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject: Re: A question of ethics
Keywords: ethics cracking law
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:04:58 GMT

john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:

>Were I the Admin of YY I would have the Admin of XX called on the carpet
>post haste where I would urge that s/he be fired on the spot.

(a) This is not easy, because it is a university.
(b) It is inadvisable, because the other sysadmin is a colleague and has
    the same employer.

>If, as someone else suggested, the XX admin called me and asked me to
>delete P from A's account on YY, I would politely refuse (assuming P
>was allowed on YY).

I might do it that way, but would probably also carpet student A for
having a .rhosts file. 

I think student A would be best cutting his/her losses and hoping admin XX
doesn't have his/her account pulled on machine XX. You think the
University is going to push charges against itself? The *student* has no
rights in this case, because all resources used belong to the
university.

cheers,



--
Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.oz.au
+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
Si fractus illabatur orbis impavidium ferient ruinae.  -- Horace
Newsgroups: xx.general,cs.general,aus.aarnet
From: syeea01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: It's MUD hunting Season.!!!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:25:52 GMT

	Hello everyone.....*smile*...

	I am a Mud crazy-do-gooders.....and I have like
only followed the Mud conversation debate since yesterday only..
so if I do say something that's like real dumb or thing...please
forgive this ignorant kid...*smile*..

	Okay...arguing 'bout Mud being not acedamic...
you can look at it from all kind of view..but yes...I do have
to admit that in general...it is a non-academic..but then..so
is Email, talk and various other type of stuff that we have got..
can't we just like have a controlled thing instead of going
all out to kill Mudders.??..You know...only having the line
connection open during Weekend and stuff....*shrug*..*smile*..

	Actually...I just wanna know..all the mails that are 
arguing 'for' the  'Mud' seems like student/mudder..so I guess
that their view is somewhat...one sided...(sorry folks..*smile*) 
and now..I would love to know the view point of the operators..
lectures...wel, I guess anyone who aren't students...and NOT
someone who is out to kill MUD also..I want someone who is open
minded and I suppose..one who is quite high up the ladder also..

	I will write more 'bout what I have encountered in my
years of playing Mud later and hopefully..these view point of 
'mud being a waste of time and computer time' will change
slightly.....

	Well...till next time Amigo....

	take care and keep the Sun shining.....*smile*..

	Pug. (Wiz of Dragon Den and Hubby of Del)-*smile*
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: alan@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Alan Hargreaves)
Subject: Re: Mudding not in Australia
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Uni of Newcastle, Oz.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:34:39 GMT

quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes:

>A fix to telnet (perhaps) to restrict the use of internet telnet to *ports*.
...

>If this is done, then the only internet community will be affected is mud
>players.  Legitimite users such as ftp and on-line telnet facilities (such
>as archie) will be unaffected with such a hack.

if this is done, people will start to compile their own mud clients
and use those instead of telnet (yes they already exist).

alan.
-- 
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Ph: +61 49 215 512 Fax: +61 49 684 742 ICBM: 32 53 44.6 S / 151 41 52.6 E

Software Bloat -  Any UNIX(tm) after Version 7.	(Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au)
Newsgroups: xx.general,cs.general,aus.aarnet
From: tim@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Tim Munson)
Subject: Re: Lack of ethics on behalf of the RMIT Computer Centre Staff.
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  8 Apr 92 08:19:52 GMT

s913631@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Darren Reed) writes:
> [stuff deleted to save network bandwidth]
>No names have been mentioned to protect the indiviual(s) responsible.

>Cheers,
>Darren

>p.s. Cancelling this news article will not improve things -
>     censorship is just as unethical and all students deserve
>     to know the risks they run when using the Computer Centre
>     equipment.
Well. It made it this far.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: E-mail address for Pegasus
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.113101.2961@darwin.ntu.edu.au>, shaw_g@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
|> Can I send an E-Mail message to a person on Pegasus? What would the correct
|> addressing be ie.  SMTP%".....@pegasus.....???????"

From a VAX/VMS system try smtp%"ianp@peg.pegasus.oz.au",

from sensible mail systems use ianp@peg.pegasus.oz.au,

where <ianp> is the the person's Pegasus userid.

-- 
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Network Co-ordinator,	 			phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network,		fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre,			pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University			post:	PO Box 4     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA					Canberra 2601
From: hunter@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au (James Gardiner [hunter])
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Australia & MUDs?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:02:43 GMT
Organization: Phoenix ComSystem. Public UNIX Melbourne Australia.

In <9209713.2694@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:

>| AARNet's position on this can be summarized as follows:

>What Geoff said is that MUD traffic is not acceptable on AARNet
>(or the international link).
Thanks. I couldn't be bothered trying to work his message out..
Its like a puzzle.

>If you continue, its your institution's responsibility to stop you.
>If it doesn't, the whole institution can be disconnected from AARNet.

>For what its worth, of incoming international traffic last month, the
>MUD stuff that was identifiable was almost as much as the total volume
>of news.   What's more, there's lots more MUD that is wasn't observed,
>MUD could easily be second after incoming FTP (mail is currently in that
>spot).
I am amazed how much bandwidth MUD is taking.  I am not against it
but in this situation, can you block these MUD connections over the
US link?  MUD is clearly a pointless game where little is learnt.
Why have it on the US link at all.  People  may still find ways around
this but it will at least cut it by half and also inform people
that it is not approved by ARRNet.

>Its entirely possible that if there had been no MUD traffic, the upgrade
>of he international link may have been able to be postponed for a couple
>of months or more - I'm not sure exactly what the saving would have been
>but I'm sure it would be many thousands (per month)  Maybe 10,000 a month.
>Its not free...
>kre
Why is it not made a point that this is happening?
I will not be so lenient on people I know play MUD from now on.
-- 
James Gardiner [Hunter].         Public Access UNIX Melbourne, Australia
Internet: hunter@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au      | PO BOX 54  Chadstone Centre
                                           | Melbourne  Australia   3148
   (voice)+613-532-8030 (data)+613-523-9865 V32bis & +613-532-8029 V32
From: shaw_g@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: E-mail address for Pegasus
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:31:01 +0900

Can I send an E-Mail message to a person on Pegasus? What would the correct
addressing be ie.  SMTP%".....@pegasus.....???????"

Greg Shaw
Darwin, N.T.

Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
From: bwa@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (barry w anderson)
Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
Subject: Re: A question of ethics
Keywords: ethics cracking law
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:22:11 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

Obviously the system administrator on the other machine was cracking once he
left his own machine.

Barry
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn "The Eskimo!")
Subject: Re: Australia & MUDs?
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:13:21 GMT

In article <3898@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au>, hunter@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au (James Gardiner [hunter]) writes:
> 
> I am amazed how much bandwidth MUD is taking.  I am not against it
> but in this situation, can you block these MUD connections over the
> US link?  MUD is clearly a pointless game where little is learnt.
                             ^^^^^^^^^
Pointless is such an absolute term.
                                                            ^^^^^^
Learning is not always done in lectures.

Quinn "The Eskimo!"   <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>  "Real Coke, Diet .sig"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
  -- Never played a MUD because *I think* they're pointless.

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: How to get an MX record?
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:26:32 GMT

In article <phil.702782892@adam.adelaide.edu.au>, phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick) writes:
|> A friend of mine works for Phoenix Microtechnologies here in Adelaide, and
|> they have a loosely connected uucp network, so I can send mail to users at
|> Phoenix by using an address of the form:
|> 
|>     cbmehq!cbmaus!phoenix!USER@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com
|> 
|> We will, for the moment, ignore the issue of the fact that mail which has to
|> travel about 5 km in real-space, actually goes via America...
|> 
|> When I get a response, the Return-Address always gets set to:
|> 
|>      phoenix!USER@stan.solbourne.com
|> 
|> Which bounces.  I assume that there is already a phoenix.UUCP that is
|> connected to Solbourne, and must, by virtual of the return addressing, be
|> registered.
|> 
|> 
|> The real question is, what will Phoenix need to do so that their mail does
|> not bounce all the time?
|> 
|>   (1)  Get an MX record with someone?  Who and how?

From AARNet as a Mail Affiliate Member. If you can pass on their postal
address, I'll send them a information package. Or, you can grab 
pub/doc/affiliate.[ps|txt|rtf] from aarnet.edu.au and give them that.

|>   (2)  Change phoenix to phoenixmt so there will be no address clash?
|>   (3)  Register with the .UUCP domain?  Who and how?

Not sure who looks after the UUCP mapping stuff ...

-- 
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Network Co-ordinator,	 			phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network,		fax:   +61 6 249 1369
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Australian National University			post:	PO Box 4     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA					Canberra 2601
From: s913631@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Darren Reed)
Newsgroups: xx.general,cs.general,aus.aarnet
Subject: Lack of ethics on behalf of the RMIT Computer Centre Staff.
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:56:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

If you log into minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au via any of the ccannexes from
VICNET, esp. via the modems, you should be aware that a certain member
of the computer centre staff has a nasty habit of logging individual
sessions.

If you value the integrity of your logins to minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
(perhaps any other RMIT computer you access via ccannex) then I
would suggest *NOT* using the annexes. CDCNET maybe a better option
but they probably have some way of logging sessions from there too.

How do I know this happened ? The staff member in question both
admitted to doing it and showed me his saved log of a session
whilst I was on minyos. Apparently this isn't the first time this
has happened. After talking to another member of staff there, it
seems they will justify any such activity if they suspect their
suspicions turn out to be wrong ? Do we have to live in constant
fear of the staff there logging our sessions ? This seems quite
unreasonable to me. Should they be allowed to log our sessions for
'suspected' breach of rules ? Is our privacy allowed to be invaded
in this manner ?

Is any information they may glean from such dubious activities
admissible as evidence in some disciplinary hearing, or has it been
obtained illegally? Are the Computer Centre staff allowed to keep
their own copies of the logs for their own purposes?

I was unable to get a comment on whether these activities would be
supported even if the staff were committing criminal activities.
There was no indication that these activities would stop but would
continue as long as they suspect improper use.

After talking with fellow students, it appears that this 'logging'
isnt the only breach of ethics that has occurred. Various students
have also had telnet sessions to other hosts 'interfered' with by
some administrator who has entered commands such as

grep `whoami` /etc/passwd

These commands have been entered 'for' the student (inserted
into the input stream by the admin).

Doesn't this constitute some sort of forgery or breach
of security, esp. since the interfering administrator did not
have an account of any sort on the remote machine in question.
This makes one wonder about the security of accounts on remote
machines if they are going to do things like this.

What of yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au ? Well, let's hope the system
administrators in the computer science department have a better
code of ethics.  However, after the episode last year when it was
discovered a certain member of staff had the right priveledges to 
read all mail on yallara, it sort of makes you wonder...

No names have been mentioned to protect the indiviual(s) responsible.

Cheers,
Darren

p.s. Cancelling this news article will not improve things -
     censorship is just as unethical and all students deserve
     to know the risks they run when using the Computer Centre
     equipment.
From: bwa@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (barry w anderson)
Newsgroups: cs.general,aus.aarnet,comp.admin.policy
Subject: Re: A question of law (was Re: A question of ethics)
Keywords: ethics cracking law
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:43:53 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

Guys this is fascinating BUT isn't the XX admin (point well taken Tim 8-)
impersonating user A on machine YY, and is this not a crime i.e. Computer
Trespass? If the YY admin had intended the XX admin to have powers such as the
deletion of user's binaries, then would he or she (ugly but grammatically
correct unlike "they" and less blatant than "she") not have created an account
on YY for the XX admin with at least some administrative priveleges?

Anyway, the discussion was interesting...

Barry
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From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Fag Ad Ban
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:07:47 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide

In article <1992Apr3.043109.8052@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, eefps@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Frank Savaglio) writes:
|> Since the announcement of the proposed banning of cigarette sponsorship
|> in sport I have been constantly amazed at peoples' reactions.
|>
|> A lot of people I've talked to are of the honest opinion that Rugby
|> League and cricket inAustralia will die without the Cigarette Companies
|> money input. This  blows me away!! For once I find myself agreeing with
|> a politician. Ros Kelly said that if sports administrators can't market
|> their sport without the Fag Coys, then something is wrong with them.
|>
|> Surely other companies are more than willing to put the money in. Geez
|> the exposure that the Cig fellas were getting was incredible.
|>
I think it's not so much that the sports currently sponsored by
tobacco companies won't find a new sponsor. It's the sports that
already are sponsored by these "other" companies, will they retain
this sponsorship in the face of a more "glamourous" sport being
available.

Also of some concern is things like "Foundation SA" which sponsor
sport in SA using money levied from the sales of tobacco products. It
appears they aren't making as much money as they once did and so are
cutting back on their sponsorships. The first groups to go are those
that refused tobacco sponsorship in the first place, like Netball,
while Football continues on its merry way.

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.sport,rec.sport.basketball.misc
From: u867278@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (George Dickel)
Newsgroups: aus.sport,rec.sport.basketball.misc
Subject: Re: NBL thoughts
Keywords: Magic, Welch
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:06:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:


>	After last weekends matches, where the Magic just scraped through
>(I thought that the points shouldn't count... It was definitely a charge).
>I believe that the Magic will struggle through the 1st 1/2 of the season
>due to a lack of team cohesion. By struggle I mean lose some they should win,
>and win some they should lose. Goorjian should get them functioning well by 
>the playoffs. Parkinson won't be happy with about 15 mins a night. 
>Ninnis played really well. First time I have seen him shoot a decent %
>of jumpers.  BTW Was the bad shooting nerves... pressure ... hard rings ...?
>I tend to believe it was the hard rings which players were unaccustomed too.

>On another subject I still believe Anthony Welch will be cut. He had
>negligible impact against the Bullets on the weekend. Not what Hobart need from
>a big guy. (Go on you guys from Tassie - Flame me again :-)

I was not flaming you I am just stating the facts as we know them down here
While Welch had negligible impact on the game Bruton's intention for him 
was to add to our bench depth.  I do agree that Ice (Welch) is not the player
I myself would have chosen Bruton must have had some reason.  It is also 
apparent that he has still not fully recovered from his ankle injury.  If 
you want flame I will give you flame

George

Nunc est bibendum

u867278@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au

>comments welcome

>Andrew
>andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: This is a BASKETBALL Group
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:51:32 GMT


Seeing as 99% of the articles on this group are about the NBL, I think this
group should be renamed "aus.basketball" or something else similarly
imaginitive. Yes I *KNOW* there are other articles besides NBL stuff, but at
the moment they seem to have an overwhelming majority around here. What do
all you guys think ??

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