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From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rear Gears, FJers read
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:14:41 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: parker@mprgate.mpr.ca's message of 31 Mar 92 17:19:46 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.171946.576@mprgate.mpr.ca> parker@mprgate.mpr.ca (Ross Parker) writes:
   In article <21048@venera.isi.edu>, jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills) writes:
   |> 	I'm trying to adapt a F2 rear to my FJ, the F2 is running a 530
   |> 	chain and the FJ is a 630.
   |>
   |> FOR ALL THE BOZOs THAT MUST KNOW WHY!!!! RIGHT NOW
   |> 
   |> 	the 16x3.5 rear on the FJ is small, and tires are expensive, and only
   |> 	one radial will fit.

   I believe that at least two radials will fit... the Michelin M59x rear is one,
   and there is an Avon radial that will fit (and will apparantly provide about
   twice the mileage with presumably a bit less stick than the Michelin).
   Are you sure you won't run into a clearance problem using the F2 rear rim?
   Ross Parker           |                            |


	The F2 rim is great, also the used Mich M59x on it performed well,
	I put over a 1k miles on it and no major wear,it sticks in the 
	turns. 

	The best is the lack of sidewall defection, in hard transitions.
	Very precise, and didn't feel to wide, for the front.

	More about the whole story Wed.

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ, 83 Le Mans III Kit   DoD#500  KotF (Flag)   Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236


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From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Cornering G's
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:08:10 GMT

I seem to recall....
   On that test with the FZR, didn't they mention something about the 
skidpad being bumpy, and having grass growing up through the cracks?
That would really take the edge off of one's cornering speed...

Obviously, one of us... uh, one of YOU will have to do a controlled 
experiment on a nice flat lot to get more raw data on bike cornering
capabilities. How about a YSR 50 or something, I've seen those maniacs 
race, they're good at cornering to extremes.

Or perhaps bikes can corner harder at higher speeds/ larger radius
turns than they can in slower ones? To take it to an extreme, I 
can't see myself pulling half a G while groaning around a 50' diameter
circle.. maybe it has something to do with the front tire
being turned in more on a smaller circle? On the other hand, my car 
seems to be able to crank around equally well, whatever the turn radius.

Just more food for thought (and not much, at that)
  Randy N.
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: TZR Mods
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.motorcycles.racing, BONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>A friend of mine just recieved his 1992 TZR250 SP Kosinski
>Replica from Japan. He would like to know if he would get a
>significant performance increase by removing the auto-lube

    You can get major performance improvements on the TZR, but I wouldn't
start with the injection.  Look to head porting and pipes first!  A
friend of mine races and '86... he has done lots to it and its pretty
fast.  From your post I assume that he is not racing this.  Also, does
he want to spend $$ or $$$ or $$$$$$$$$$?

Rich
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Poor milage on Magna
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:39:23 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I would check in following order (I always check the easy shit first)

air filter
spark plugs
air recirc (pollution) equipment
compression/leakdown
jetting, etc.

I am assuming that the bike is stock.  If you changed anything sinse
the last time it got good milage, check that.  (like if you put a pipe
on it did you jet properly?)  Also, did you tune it recently (valve
lash adjustment)?

Rich
(we get better than 20 mpg at Daytona, running 155mph :)
(note that Dale 1/4-ley got 11 mpg on his Bimota.. going a bit faster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
Subject: More WSB Info
Organization: Research School of Biological Sciences, Australian National University
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:47:02 +1000

1st Round World Superbike Championship - Albacete Spain - April 5
-----------------------------------------------------------------

1st leg: 28 laps
----------------
1 	Slight	    48:45.07
2	 Polen      48:54.73
3	 Pirovano   48:58.19
4	 Falappa    49:14.83
5	 Amatrian   49:17.15
6	 Monti      49:19.21
7	 Roche      49:19.39
8	 Sohwa      49.30.30
9	 Phillis    49:46.02      
10	Mella      49:55.40
11 Mertens    49:58.89
12 Fogarty    50:17.47
13 Lindholm   50:15.22
14 Rymer      50:17.47
15 Mounier    50:23.02

Fastest lap , Slight 1:42.95 (123.753mph)

2nd leg: 28 laps
-----------------
1	 Roche	     46:17.74
2	 Phillis    46:18.08
3	 Amatriain  46:18.29
4	 Pirovano   46:20.81
5 	Falappa    46:24.34
6 	Polen      46:25.48
7	 Russel     46:25.84
8	 Reynolds   46:30.53
9	 Rymer      46:30.71
10 Fogarty    46:37.08
11 Ferarri    46:50.24
12 Mertens    47:06.34
13 Furlan     47:10.11
14 Mella      47:15.45
15 Lindholm   47:21.15

Fastest lap,  Amatiain - 1:36.44  (132.107mph)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Points
------
Roche        29      Phillis/Falappa  24
Pirovano     28      Slight           20
Polen        27      Fogarty/Monti    10
Amatriain    26      Mertens/Rymer/Russell 9

----------------------------------------------------------------

Neal G.

_______________________________________________________
Neal Gowen (XJ900 and TY250B)   MRA #204 ;  Ulysses #2458
"Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email:  gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
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Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 01:43:10 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Yet more Q's on bike setup

Howdy,

Ok, well, the eternal quest to get the damn RZ setup is progressing
faster since I'm trying to get it ready for a practice at Nelson this
weekend (any of you folks gonna be there?).

Some questions:

1) The left side generator/drive sprocket cover on the RZ is plastic.
Does anyone make (and is it required) an aluminum (or other) cover for
this?  Is there another solution?  Doesn't look like that plastic
cover would protect much in a crash...

2) (This one is probably gonna sound stupid)  Do the banjo bolts on
the braking system need to be safety wired?  I can't remember if the
EX had 'em done or not, and the WERA rulebook isn't terrible clear.

3) When they (where "they" = WERA) say that cooling lines need to be
safety wired/clamped/etc, what exactly do they mean?  Currently
there's hose clamps on the water lines, should I safety wire the clamp
screw so that it can't loosen, or should I just wrap wire around the
hose further clamping it to the connection?

4) Tach cables are supposed to be safety wired.  I assume that this
means that I should use safety wire to make sure that if the cable
becomes disconnected, the safety wire will prevent it from falling off
the bike, rather than safety wire it so that it won't become
disconnected, right?  Seems like it would be kinda hard to drill a
hole in the tach cable screw connector thingy...

Thanks for any info on these.  Sorry to be asking such numb questions.

Oh, and I hereby recommend Black and Decker Bullet bits for drilling
through nasty, evil hardened bolt heads.  Went through them a hell of
a lot better than the Irwin cobalt bits (well, that is, until I over
forced it and managed to snap the bit off in the hole.  I would really
like a drill press, a hand drill and a vice are just barely
acceptable).

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		DoD #813	|
| ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu		AMA/CCS AM #811		AMA #700560	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '78 KM100 (commute-in-snow)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, etc...		|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: mac4@cec1.wustl.edu (Miguel Angel Cotignola)
Subject: Australian GP
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:56:01 GMT

Hello;

Does anybody knows if there is a way to watch the Australian GP on tv from 
St. Louis, MO ?  If you know please write me back my email is 
mac4@cec1.wustl.edu

					Thank you, Miguel
From: yasuhiro@dcl.co.jp (Yasuhiro 'Orange' Morishita)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: OZ GP, Who is BEATTIE
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:31:22 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Digital Computer Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

In article <1992Apr16.160001.1@qis.dofasco.ca> taylor_c@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>Who is BEATTIE, the third place finisher @ the OZ GP. Is he the permanent 
>replacement for Wayne Gardner?

Daryl Beattie is one of the racer of HONDA team, and he had attended
Japanese GP500, and he got some wins on Japan last year.
And I think he is the third position rider of HONDA.

I heard that he want to attend the World GP500 on Rothmans HONDA team,
but HONDA has two great racers (Waine, Mic), then no chance *WAS* exist
for him.
[Beattie attended ths SUZUKA Japanese GP as the spot-attendee,
(so, he was attened as the one of the *Japanese* rider)
 but he was retired by engine trouble before starting.]

And I heard that Beattie attends some GP race (including Europe round ?)
as Rothman's HONDA.  But I don't know that this is the replacement of
Waine Gardner. (I hope that Gardner has come back...)

PS. Sorry, my English is sometimes very broken.
--
Yasuhiro 'Orange' Morishita
Yokogawa Digital Computer Corporation, Tokyo JAPAN
Internet: yasuhiro@dcl.co.jp
"I believe Waine Rainey is the BEST rider of the World."
From: sheinfel@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Aviad Sheinfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Nationalities of racers
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:50:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


How is a racer's nationality determined?  Is it according to the
racer's preference?  For example, if a racer lived in the UK for 15
years and then came to the US, where (s)he took up racing, how would
(s)he be classified?

Aviad

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Univ. of Pennsylvania, 115 S. 42nd St, 19104-3040	       DoD #513
UPenn in no way takes responsibility for any of my opinions/statements.

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From: au455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas S. Caprette)
Subject: Moto cross in MD, DC area
Reply-To: au455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas S. Caprette)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:08:47 GMT


I am an amateur photographer intersested in taking action shots.  The
best place I have ever seen for doing this is at a moto cross.  Could
someone please email me the locations of any  motocross courses in the
Baltimore/Washington/Annapolis area?  If you're a racer yourself, I'll
be glad to give you a few free 8 x 10's of yourself in action, in
exchange.

As they say on the net, thanks in advance.
-- 
--
Bertal H. Steinein                  "I am not a number.
au455@cleveland.freenet.edu          I am a free man."  -- #6
Chagrin Valley Astronomical Society
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: chaney@leland.Stanford.EDU (ken chaney)
Subject: Aerodynamic loads
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 07:18:53 GMT

Mark Cervi sez:
>    I was watching the Formula 1 (auto) race from Brazil last night (midnight
>Sunday on East coast) and David Hobbs (ESPN) mentioned that F-1 cars
>accelerate at 2 g's, stop at 3.5 g's and corner around 5 g's.  200 mph
>aerodynamics must be something!

Oooh!  Actual numbers!  Cool!  Thanks Mark.
Here's some physics to chew on, for those so inclined.
(Actually, its engineering.)

For a feel of what kind of force is possible, think of the force on your body
due to the wind when riding at 100mph without a fairing.  
Now consider that the force increases approximately with velocity squared.
(4 times the force at 200 mph, neglecting spookey stuff like Reynolds number
effects.)  Also, unless you use lots of Knox gelatin, your shape is not 
designed to generate large aerodynamic forces.

How about some numbers?
Some clever guys a while ago decided that aerodynamic stuff should be put in
terms of non-dimentional quantities, partly because it clarified changes in
flow behavior, but mostly because it reduced the number of times people had
to argue about whether to use liters, cubic rods, or barn-megaparsecs for
their units.  The useful result in this case is that there are these things
called force coefficients which are basically constant over a range of speeds,
for a given flow geometry.  The one that helps out race cars is the 
Coefficient of Lift, known as CL to its casual friends.
CL is equal to the lift divided by the pressure due to the speed of the air
times the area of the "wing."  Or, if you like,

CL = L/(.5pv^2S) where L=lift force, for race cars it is posative downward.
                       p=density of the fluid.
                       v=speed of the object through the fluid.
                       S=reference area of the object, planform area for a
                         wing or spoiler, usually frontal area for a car.
                      (q=.5pv^2=pressure due to speed, or "dynamic pressure")
For a "wing" 5ft X 2ft (or about 1m^2) at 200 mph (about 90 m/s), I'll guess
the CL is about 2, there is a downward force of about 2,000 lbs (about 10,000N)
(My CL=2 is a very rough guess.  Anyone have a better number?)  I guess those
things actually DO something!  Also, the rest of the car can provide more 
aerodynamic force downward.  Looks like 5 g cornering is not out of the
question, but I'd still say it's pretty incredible.  
The numbers I used for the paramaters are pure fiction.  Use any you like, to
get the answer YOU want!

Ken "I bet a couple of these things on a bike wouldn't make it crash" Chaney
From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: May be a repost, sorry (FJ new rear rim review)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:18:52 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI


		Here's the full report on the rim swap
 
	My motivations for the different rim were many:
		No Z rated tires available for stock wheel
		Few radials available, my choice Sportmaxs,Dunlop has 
	claimed, In ads that they make 150-80/16, as of 3 months ago, BULLSHIT.
		stock size tires cost 30-50% more, for less tire.

	I picked up a Honda GooF2 rear rim and drive. It does have the
same chain size as the FJ, tho Motorcyclist and Cycle reviews read 630.
I found a Tubaski chain chart in catalog, and 630 was obviously wrong.
The FJ has a 530 chain, so do all current 600 and some 1000 sportbikes.

	The honda rim was the first I found, bad style choice tho. Other
choice are ZX-6, which would look like stock. I'm currently looking for
a 89 GSXR 1100 rear as a better choice. The cush drive in the Goof2 wheel
is already sloppy, and getting worse. The drive size is much smaller than
the FJ's. One good point about the Honda rim is the axle size is the same
as stock, I just had to make up some spacers.

	You want to know about the brake, well so would I. I will get 
another rim and mount the FJ vented disk on it, major pain on the honda
and I punted. not that the honda brake would help much, its real small,
and I bet light, like the hollow axle I got. The FJ axle is 3x the weight
as a guess.

        The 160-60/17 Mich ax59 is ~1/2" shorter and the gear from the honda
has 3 more teeth, can you say NO MORE FLAT SPOT, all RPM pull real hard,
and the mileage sucks, literally. 180 miles max on full tank @ 80 mph.I will
need to go smaller than stock on the rear, while uping the front, to achive
my desired gearing. 165 at redline :^), it will pull it.

	For all you WIDE tire nuts, May of 90,Motorcyclist has a project 
FJ and they put 5.5 x 17 rear and 3.5 x 17 front, also a rear swingarm brace.
A number of other tricks also. Soooooo it can be done, there is space.
Anyone up for grafting on a set of FZR 1000 Wheels and Brakes, Makes you
wonder. 

	The bike is much more stable, with the stiff side walls, and I notice
shock and spring changes much better.

thanks to all who provided input, peter, stef, mike,and the rest

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ, 83 Le Mans III Kit   DoD#500  KotF (Flag)   Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236
From: delanzo@sparc22.hri.com (Michael DeLanzo)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Englishtown Results
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:17:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigbird.6278
Reply-To: delanzo@@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.



 Does anyone have the results of last weeks races a Englishtown?

 Thanks - md
From: BONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: TZR Mods
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:11:32 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

A friend of mine just recieved his 1992 TZR250 SP Kosinski
Replica from Japan. He would like to know if he would get a
significant performance increase by removing the auto-lube
and going to pre-mix. Also, would there be any impact on
longevity. I told him not to screw with it, but he's determined
to make it go faster. Any experts out there?

Eric Bong  DoD #0270
1986 FZ750
1987 FZR750
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: World Superbike query
Organization: Research School of Biological Sciences, Australian National University
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:12:18 +1000

In article <1992Apr8.140359.1@qis.dofasco.ca>, taylor_c@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
> Anyone know the results from the World Superbike race April 05?
> 
> 	Chris Taylor 7

Chris you must have missed the earlier post so I'll repeat it for you.

--------------------------------cut here----------------------------

1st Round World Superbike Championship - Albacete Spain - April 5
-----------------------------------------------------------------

1st leg: 28 laps
----------------
1  Slight     48:45.07
2  Polen      48:54.73
3  Pirovano   48:58.19
4  Falappa    49:14.83
5  Amatrian   49:17.15
6  Monti      49:19.21
7  Roche      49:19.39
8  Sohwa      49.30.30
9  Phillis    49:46.02      
10 Mella      49:55.40
11 Mertens    49:58.89
12 Fogarty    50:17.47
13 Lindholm   50:15.22
14 Rymer      50:17.47
15 Mounier    50:23.02

Fastest lap , Slight 1:42.95 (123.753mph)

2nd leg: 28 laps
-----------------
1  Roche      46:17.74
2  Phillis    46:18.08
3  Amatriain  46:18.29
4  Pirovano   46:20.81
5  Falappa    46:24.34
6  Polen      46:25.48
7  Russel     46:25.84
8  Reynolds   46:30.53
9  Rymer      46:30.71
10 Fogarty    46:37.08
11 Ferarri    46:50.24
12 Mertens    47:06.34
13 Furlan     47:10.11
14 Mella      47:15.45
15 Lindholm   47:21.15

Fastest lap,  Amatiain - 1:36.44  (132.107mph)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Points
------
Roche        29      Phillis/Falappa  24
Pirovano     28      Slight           20
Polen        27      Fogarty/Monti    10
Amatriain    26      Mertens/Rymer/Russell 9

----------------------------------------------------------------

Neal G.
___________________________________________________
Neal Gowen,  XJ900, TY250 "Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
voice: 61 6 249 2492  fax:  61 6 249 2603
snail: GPO Box 475 Canberra ACT 2601
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From: tiberio@beno.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: WSB results
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:39:36 GMT


Polen took a second in the first leg and a sixth in the
second leg of the opening round of the world superbike
series last weekend. Anyone have the complete rundown?

t
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Subject: '92 Daytona
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:31:45 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems. Daytona Bch, FL


Hope you guys had a chance to watch this year's Daytona 200 on TV as
it was aired on TNN past Sunday. IMHO the commentary was even worse than 
in previous years, the worst point being their numerous reference to how
Polen is handicapped due to his conventional swingarm. The way they made it 
sound was as if Russel's bike did not have that handicap. As far as I know,
it is just as hard to change a rear on a ZX-7 as it is on a Duck. If there is
some reason why it would be more difficult, than they forgot to mention it
(unless I missed it in which case I'm sure somebody will let me know so 
that I can give credit where credit is due). I have a feeling that 
somebody had noticed an RC-30 in the pits and got all excited thinking 
that there can not be a Japanese bike around that does not have a single 
sided swingarm anymore.

Jerry S.
From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: VRP500
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:13:17 GMT

Just curious, how did the VRPs fare at Suzuka? are they at all competetive,
or are they in the same boat as Cagiva 3 years ago? Aren't there 1 or 2
making a go of it this season?  
   Randy N.
From: pha50@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.J. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Full Suzuka GP Results
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <ecllnder.702561796@unix2.tcd.ie>, by ecllnder@unix2.tcd.ie (                     *):
> Still no results for Irish privateer EDDIE LAYCOCK on his Millar YZR
> 500.
> Any one out there know any thing?????????????????????????????????????

I can't rember much, but what I read was...

Doohan won by a long way.

Rainey & Kochinski slid off in the rain. DNF

Garnder fell off, got back on, fell off and broke his leg in 5 (five)
places. Will probably retire.

Several Japanese privateers did very well.

Randy Mamola came 5th.

Niall Mackensie came 7th.

Eddy Lackock did not qualify. Neither did Simon Buckmaster.

Both Cagivas packed up (electrical probs in the rain I think).
-- 
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From: chrisp@tatanka.wr.tek.com (Chris Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: WSB results
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:47:40 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc

Sorry to muddle things if I missed it, but could someone post what the top
WSB riders are riding this year?

Thanx,
Pistachio  | Christopher Perez - owner of | 1981 Ducati 500SL Pantah
Eaters	   |Groucho's Desmodrome & Club H.| 1975 Ducati 860GT
Against	   |------------------------------| 1978 Ducati 860GTS (1000cc)
Chief	   |"Uh oh.  Ducati Monster stole | 1979 Yamaha RD400F Daytona Special
Elders	   | my Ducati.  I wanna another!"| Wanted: more and better Ducatis
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