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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:05:08 -0400 
From: Chiara Noelle Sposato <cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Anne Rice Biography

Has anyone read  "Prism of the Night: A Biography of Anne Rice" by
Katherine Ramsland?? i just found it at the library, i think it was
released in '91. i had never even heard of it. i havent read much but it
seems very interesting so far....

chiara
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: naomib@sco.COM (Naomi Brokaw)
Subject: Re: Actual accounts...
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:14:21 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.174404.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>This month's Premiere Magazine (October...don't ask me why) has some supposed
>"facts" released by The Vampire Research center:

>	Number of Vampires currently in existence worldwide: 810

>	Number in California (the state with the most vampire's): 40

>Glad to be of help.  (But there are really only 808 of us after that terrible
>affair in Cerritos last year...)

>Greg Bole
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu

Is that the same report that said some number of the California 
vampires were moving from LA to SF, or from SF to LA, or something?

Naomi
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:33:21 EST

battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
> 
> 
> |> 	Lastly, INNOVATION is/has produced Comic Book versions of Anne
> |> Rice's Vampire Chronicles. However, Anne relinquished control of 
> |> their production. Anne currently disagrees with INNOVATION's 
> |> portrayal of Lestat. IMHO INNOVATION's art work and over-all 
> |> design is terrible.
> 
> 	I BEG TO DIFFER!  INNOVATIONS ARTWORK AND LAYOUT FOR THE ANNE RICE
> 	BOOKS IS AMONG THE BEST AVALIABLE TODAY, ON THE LEVEL OF BLACK 
> 	ORCHID AND ARKHAM ASYLUM.  GIVEN, THE PORTRAYAL OF THE CHARACTERS 
> 	WAS NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE BOOK BUT I BELIEVE THEY WERE AS CLOSE AS 
> 	POSSIBLE GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE FORMAT. ALTHOUGH THE VAMPIRE 
> 	LESTAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 400 PAGES MUCH OF THE TEXT HAD TO BE 
> 	ELIMINATED OR CHANGED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE BRILLIANTLY 
> 	WATERCOLORED ARTWORK. THE  SACRIFICES MADE TO THE STORY WERE 
> 	MINIMAL AND MORE THAN COMPENSATED FOR.  I SHOWED THE BOUND EDITION 
> 	OF THE VAMPIRE LESTAT TO A PROFESSOR OF LITERATURE WHO WAS INTO 
> 	COMICS AND SHE LOVED IT. IT ADDED AN ALMOST HOMOSEXUAL FLAVOR TO 
> 	THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LESTAT & LEWIS THAT WAS NOT IN THE BOOK.  
> 	YES, IT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT STILL WORTH VERY HIGH MARKS.
> 
> 	I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ARTWORK & LAYOUT OF QUEEN OF 
> 	THE DAMNED.  THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE YOU SAW. PLEASE, CHECK OUT 
> 	THE OTHER TWO BOOKS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.

i saw one (i believe Vampire Lestat) & the artwork was uniformly
horrible. the layout was even worse. you'd expect a vampyre graphic
to be more stark & impressive than the cluttered mess i saw. the
flow was a complete mess. to top it off the colour was muddy, without
the dramatic shading that could have made up for it.

in a word: icky. and about as hard to follow as posts done in all CAPS.

jason

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From: jcairns@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Cairns)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:02:57 GMT



EEEEEEEEEEEEEK
Shudder to think of such an atrocity.
:(

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From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Subject: Re: Vampyres
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:37:01 GMT
Organization: Night People

In article <1992Sep7.110552.7684@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fantomas) writes:
>I have always wondered how it would feel to be a vampyre, to feel the torment of
>living on, watching the people I know dying around me,

Why would you have to watch them dying around you?  If you were a vampire
you could simply turn them into vampires, similar to Lestat with Gabrielle.
Ok, so they wouldn't be truly alive, but they wouldn't be gone forever.
I for one would love the opportunity to live forever with all of my best
friends and favorite family members.

-- 
Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: kcr1318@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.C. Romelli)
Subject: Anne Rice
Originator: kcr1318@ultb
Keywords: Books, movies
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:17:36 GMT

	There's been a lot of questions about Anne Rice's work, in book
and movie form; therefore here's the story:

	As Rick Jones has stated, the newest book in the Vampire Chronicles
is "The Tale of the Body Thief" and it is due out any day now. The Body
Thief recounts Lestat's search for his mortality. It even brings back some
"old friends" including David Talbot and Claudia (ghost form).

	Anne Rice has recently finished TWO SCRIPTS. One is for Interview
With A Vampire and the other is The Witching Hour. Interview With a
Vampire was turned over to producer David Geffen. It is "true to the original
story" according to Rice. A production date, however, has not been set.

	Richard Donner is scheduled to start filming The Witching Hour this
year. No specific date given.

	Rice also finished the sequel to The Witching Hour this summer, its
tentative release date is for the autumn of 1993.

	Lastly, INNOVATION is/has produced Comic Book versions of Anne
Rice's Vampire Chronicles. However, Anne relinquished control of their
production. Anne currently disagrees with INNOVATION's portrayal of Lestat.
IMHO INNOVATION's art work and over-all design is terrible.

							Carmen,

P.S.	The September issue of Fangoria (Special All-Vampire Issue) is
	where I found the above listed information. It came from an
	interview with Anne Rice. The magazine also contains information
	on the latest vampyre movies: Brom Stroker's Dracula (1992);
	Buffy the Vampire Killer; etc. There is even a list of the "Top
	10" vampyre books (many of which have been mentioned in this
	news-group.

P.P.S.	I have intentionally left out some of the details about Anne Rice's
	interview, as well as other contents of the Fangoria issue, so that
	buying it would still be worth it.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Anne Rice in French...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4781]: sinbad
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:30:33 GMT


While wandering around the friendly neighborhood BookStar yesterdday, I ran
ran across Interview With a Vampire and The Vampire Lestat in French. I
thought it was fascinating, and I would have bought them if I had known
French. :) (They also haad Stephen King's _Carrie_ in French. ) Sorry
to bother you, but I thought it was neat.

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From: forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman)
Subject:  Forever Night
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:37:43 GMT

Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Keywords: 

Good Evening:  Has anyone seen the latest Canadian vampire effort
Forever Night?  Any comments?

Let us not forget Barnabus on Dark Shadows.
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:34:16 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <manz.715907702@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
> In <1992Sep6.193727.18690@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>>Although they haven't written a series yet, Mercedes Lackey and Barbara
>>Hambly have each written at least one rather good vampire-based novel.
>>Also, Fred Saberhagen has written about six books in a series involving 
>>his version of Dracula and friends.
> 
> Titles!!  Please, give us titles!!


The Saberhagen Dracula series (great stuff!):

  The Dracula Tape
  The Holmes-Dracula File
  An Old Friend of the Family
  Thorn
  Dominion
  Empire of the East
  After The Fact
  A Matter of Taste

Other great standalone novels:

	_They Thirst_			Robert R. McCammon
	_The Light At The End_		Skipp and Spector
	_The Keep_			F. Paul Wilson
	_Dracula_			Bram Stoker
	_Nightblood_			T. Chris Martindale
	_Sunglasses After Dark_		Nancy Collins
	_Blood of the Impaler_		Jeffrey Sackett
	_'Salem's Lot_			Stephen King (one of his few good ones)

Hunter
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Movie List
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:01:47 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1992Sep14.191218.2270@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>Frank Langella and Jack Palance both made wonderful Draculas.
>Lets not forget female dracs in movies: Vamp (Grace Jones)
>and the more recent Def By Temptation.
>
>There was also Lifeforce starring Steve Railsbach in which big breasted
>alien vampires come to Earth.

Wasn't that a yuck-and-a-half?  Actually, I think it was kind of interesting
and purposely reminiscent of the "psychic" vampire mythos.  




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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Buffy was great - NOT.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.191652.169@sfu.ca> forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman) writes:
>Just got back from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  My friend said it was
>great.  OK, but NOT great.  Had some good humor in it and I
>particularly liked Paul Rubens.  He makes a great vampire!  
>
>Can anyone figure out what audience this was for?  There were a ton of
>small kids there but very little laughing.    

I noticed that myself.  Sitting behind me and a friend were two young children.
15 minutes into the movie, one of them got scared and they left.  Odd movie.
Juvenile humor for an adult audience??



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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Keywords: Books, movies
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:16:20 GMT



|> 	Lastly, INNOVATION is/has produced Comic Book versions of Anne
|> Rice's Vampire Chronicles. However, Anne relinquished control of their
|> production. Anne currently disagrees with INNOVATION's portrayal of Lestat.
|> IMHO INNOVATION's art work and over-all design is terrible.

	I BEG TO DIFFER!  INNOVATIONS ARTWORK AND LAYOUT FOR THE ANNE RICE
	BOOKS IS AMONG THE BEST AVALIABLE TODAY, ON THE LEVEL OF BLACK ORCHID
	AND ARKHAM ASYLUM.  GIVEN, THE PORTRAYAL OF THE CHARACTERS WAS NOT
	EXACTLY LIKE THE BOOK BUT I BELIEVE THEY WERE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE
	GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE FORMAT. ALTHOUGH THE VAMPIRE LESTAT WAS
	APPROXIMATELY 400 PAGES MUCH OF THE TEXT HAD TO BE ELIMINATED OR
	CHANGED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE BRILLIANTLY WATERCOLORED ARTWORK. THE 
	SACRIFICES MADE TO THE STORY WERE MINIMAL AND MORE THAN COMPENSATED
	FOR.  I SHOWED THE BOUND EDITION OF THE VAMPIRE LESTAT TO A PROFESSOR
	OF LITERATURE WHO WAS INTO COMICS AND SHE LOVED IT. IT ADDED AN ALMOST
	HOMOSEXUAL FLAVOR TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LESTAT & LEWIS THAT WAS
	NOT IN THE BOOK.  YES, IT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT STILL WORTH VERY HIGH
	MARKS.

	I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ARTWORK & LAYOUT OF QUEEN OF THE
	DAMNED.  THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE YOU SAW. PLEASE, CHECK OUT THE OTHER
	TWO BOOKS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:05:20 GMT

In <1992Sep8.224027.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>Have any of you read this Stoker short story?  I believe it was originally
>supposed to be a chapter of _Dracula_, but was removed, and later published
>posthumously by Stoker's wife.

>It's a great story, and invoves Jonathan Harker and a female vampire that 
>transforms into a giant wolf.

>Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
>                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_

Where can one find this most interesting work??

Phil
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From: jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fantomas)
Subject: Vampyres
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 11:05:52 GMT

I am assuming that this group, by its name, was created mainly for the purpose of discussing vampyre folklore and the ilk, and not restricted to films/books, I hope I am correct.

I have always wondered how it would feel to be a vampyre, to feel the torment of
living on, watching the people I know dying around me, the urges that send a vampyre in search of life-force, the exquisite feelings! 

I have a firm conviction that vampyres do exist in the world today. I do not
think that the very being of a Vampyre makes them evil, rather it is what
they do that defines whether they are good or evil, and they really need to
be interpreted by THEIR standards, not ours.

I would gladly give everything up to become a vampyre..I really would like this.
Perhaps like would not be the right word, however, but... are there any 
tales ofd folklore, or rituals or such that are said to turn a man into
a vampyre? Or does it needs be that I be bitten by one, according to som
legends?

There is a common problem with studying vampirey; that of separating the fact from the fiction.

The rest of you all probably think I must be stark raving mad... who knows, perhaps I am? B-)


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From: fabbott@athena.mit.edu (Freeland K Abbott III)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampiric human relationships
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:41:46 GMT
	<FABBOTT.92Sep14200319@e40-008-13.mit.edu>
	<1992Sep15.011204.19351@reed.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep15.011204.19351@reed.edu> mfunk@reed.edu (Michele Funk) writes:

   being in a position where you take a submissive role.  (I guess you've
   probably noticed by now that I have some interest in gender issues...  watch
   out for my bias, and call me on it.)  

Fine: I've always enjoyed discussion and debate, and I've even
occasionally learned things ;-)... but alt.vamyres isn't where I was
expecting this (expect the unexpected and such, I guess)

   To start up another line of thought, how would one use the ways to kill a
   vampire to think up a way for "psychic" vampires to be "killed"?  

Uh... starvation seems the most obvious, or perhaps exposure to the
"sunlight" of public scrutiny (read that with a strong hint of
sarcasm)?  Come to think of it, it's funny how a stake through the
heart or full immersion under running water kill a lot of things, you
know---like anything much more advanced than a jelleyfish.  And you
don't even get the verification you'd get from drowning a supposed
witch: "uh... Frank, she actually did drown.  I guess we were
wrong..."

The first two suggestions being semi-serious, the last comment meant
to point out that an anology only goes so far.  Of course, the
starvation answer requires first breaking the vampire's charm...
--
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104 Madison Ave.                now working for Cambridge Technology Group
Arlington, MA 02174             "And I thought 14-hr days would be over now"
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From: ctkierst@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Caroline Kierstead)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:00:53 GMT

In article <>, Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
>    Try also cutting the head off and filling it with holy wafers and burning
> the body. I have a sneaking suspicion this may require the more standard steak
> through the pump option first so may only be a way of ensuring permanent death.
> 
Also, there's the bit about filling the mouth with garlic so the vampire can't
follow the trail of whoever killed it.  Wasn't there also something about
burying the body at cross-roads, burying the head and body separately, etc?
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: 1936 movie Dracula
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:10:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Saw an interesting thing yesterday concerning the original 'talkie' Dracula
(the old one with B. Lugosi). Seems there was a version of the film made
in Spanish- but not made by dubbing. They had a entirely different cast 
(obviously of Spanish speaking actors :), and some different costumes, but
used the same script and same set. It was, evidently, filmed at night, after
the other cast and crew went home.
The people reviewing the film said that it actually was a better version than
the English speaking one- the camera work was better and the fact that it was
filmed at night gave the whole movie a darker appearance, which enchanced it.
From what I understand, it was thought to have been lost, but a version was
found in Cuba a few years back, and was restored. Probably going to tape
soon, if it isn't already there. The clip they showed was sub-titled in
English, so it might be available in that format, I don't know- talk to
your knowledgeable video dealer :)
r.
From: mancinis@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (steven mancini)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: The "vamp" disease (was:Vampyres/Origins too)
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:53:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <92255.095858JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Greetings,
>   I  strongly recommend the book _American Vampires_.  It offers some good,
> concrete, scientific facts about the overhyped "vampire disesase" (which I
> can't remember how to spell right now).  The disease which you're referring to
> would be highly unlikely to cause people to attempt to drink blood (the blood
> can't be absorbed into the bloodstream via the digestive tract), etc...
>                                                           -Jonathan

	Excuse me if this seems like cross-posting. But in a RPG, they
	treat 'vampires' in exactly this way. It is a virus, HMHVV,
	which infects you and drives you kinda insane...

	But hey, these are just babblings...

							-Steve

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From: jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Josh Knapton)
Subject: Re: My body
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 20:16:48 GMT

In article <goodman.714902849@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> goodman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Marc Goodman) writes:

>For quite some time now, I have been noticing certain unusual changes
>in my body.  The first occurrance of such a change was a day, several
>years ago, when my left hand elongated.  Though not terribly unusual
>in itself, the disquieting nature of this event was heightened by the
>marked resemblance between that hand and a wolf's paw.  
>
>A short time later, I became aware that the second toes on my right
>and left feet had grown longer than the corresponding first and third
>toes.  Coupled with an unusually large gap between the first and
>second toes, the resulting effect was quite simian in nature.
>
>Little tufts of hair have begun to sprout from my cheeks and the tip
>of my nose.  Though I realize that facial hair in an adult male is by
>no means extraordinary, the quantity and position of this hair seems
>unusual.
>
>I had begun to believe that my body was undergoing an elaborate and
>protracted de-evolution.  This, in and of itself, did not bother me.
>I have long been under the impression that human beings have perhaps
>passed the evolutionary peak, Darwin notwithstanding, and that some
>minor reversals could actually be beneficial.  My calm acceptance,
>however, rapidly turned to dismay and foreboding as my teeth became
>markedly pointier and more pronounced.  ``This will never do,'' I
>thought to myself, ``My warm and understanding smiles have begun to
>frighten small children on the street.''
>
>The most recent manifestation of these changes has been a gradual
>rearranging of my sleeping schedule.  After going to bed later and
>later every night, I suddenly realized that I had become almost
>entirely nocturnal.  Further, when I am forced by routine business
>meetings to be up and about during the day, the light causes an almost
>intolerable glare even on overcast days, in spite of my heavily
>darkened sunglasses.  I am indeed fortunate that I conduct most of my
>work at home.
>
>My dietary habits have also changed.  Though never a fancier of fruits
>and vegetables, my craving for red meat has greatly increased.
>Further, the meats which I purchase at the local supermarket seem to
>have an unhealthy odor as if they lacked in freshness.  Did I neglect
>to mention that my sense of smell has also increased sharply?  Ah
>well, I fear that soon I shall have no recourse but to search out
>sources of fresher food.


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