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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:41:00 GMT
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
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In article <1993Jan11.062706.685@netcom.com>, jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis) writes...
>YOu know, i read alot of this stuff, and i agree with some of it and i
>disagree with some of it.  I agree that the xbookx have gone downhill since
>about UX 215 or 220.  I cant think of anything i disagree with opinion wise 
>right now.  But when you start wondering about how does rouge cut her hair and
>how could colossus shave in metal form i really think its time for a breath of
>fresh air.  i mean all these little questions are about as important as is
>there a toilet on the BlackBird and why do none of the characters have to 
>use the toilet in the middle of a battle.  how come they never seem to eat?  
>ever seen an X-dinner?  I mean, you can take these questions and wonder about
>them or you can suspend disbelief.  there are literally hundreds of such 
>questions.  Here's a few...

	OK, it might be nice to see the X-People sit down and eat dinner
together, but who'd want to watch them go to the bathroom?

>Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?

	'Cause he's a smeghead.

>If colossus has a big meal, uses the toilet, then goes on a mission and turns
>to steel, does the feces he left behind turn to steel?  what about the 
>bacteria in the feces that were part of his digestive system?  what if he

	No, his power only turns his body (and hair) into steel. The bacteria
in his feces have nothing to do with giving him his power. BUT, can we
say the same about Fartman? :-)

>has to go on the mission first and doesnt have a chance in the restroom?
>does it turn to steel inside his body?  or not?  what about his lungs?
>when he turns to steel how does he talk?  he doesnt need to breath i dont 
>think.  i seem to recall that way back when the xmen were on a shuttle 

	From the Mutant Massacre days, it was pretty well established that
his whole body turns to solid steel. That's why he doesn't leak liquid
metal blood, get real nasty bruises, etc.

>(immediately prior (pryor?) to the introduction of pheonix) and had a hull
>breach colossus was ok despite the vacuum.  or am i wrong.  i cant remember 
>taht issue clearly.  but could you use peter as a very large, very heavy 
>pitcher for lemonade while he is in metal form.  the best example of all this

	I think he still needs to breathe. I seem to remember the original
two Marvel Universes saying he could only take a vacuum for 15 minutes.

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Dumb post- can't help it...
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:18:07 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


 Ok -please forgive me for this. I promised myself years ago that I would
never post to a group until and unless I knew most of what was going on - well 
I don't... I have tried however - over and over again to figure out exactly 
what and who the X-men are and why my two sons insist that I buy every
damn thing with their logo on it. Anyway - my kids insisit that I try and
find out some things for them so at the risk of looking like an idiot
I thought I would at least try...

1) Assuming that the "X_MEN" label  now adays includes anyone and everyone
who is under the direct or indirect guidance of Professor X, exactly what
are the active X-men (good guy-mutant) groups in action currently? That is
who are the members of the "X-MEN", "X-FACTOR"< and other groups...

2) Is the cartoon intended to be an up-to-date representation of the
X-MEN with respect to the comic books? That is, should say an X-Man "go bad"
would this be reflected in the cartoon? (I'm still trying to explain to my
kids why Wolverine has an Ausie accent in some stupid spiderman video we
picked up but now talks like a yank by the way...)

3) Can I expect another dozen "action figures" released every time I
manage to pick up the "last one" of the previous release? Never mind, I know
the answer to that one...

4) Can Rougue really be built like that? (OK OK that's my question and not
their's...)

5) What happened to Night Crawler? I'm afraid we "met" him as an X-man and now
he is gone from the kid's comic books...

6) Is there any sort of source book or history of the X-men available that
I could pick up to help me look like I know what I am talking about? IF not,
why not? Seems to me that such a book is ripe for the market now...

7) Why is it that when I was a kid I knew Spider-man, The Hulk, Iron Man,
even the Silver Surfer, but I had never even heard of the friggin X-men
when they've been around for 30 years??!!?? Christ, I feel like I lived
in  a hole every time my kids ask me how "The Angel" became "Arch-Angel"....



			thanks,


						gln

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From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Subject: Relationships.....
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:28:06 GMT

People,
     Wondering if you could help me out here......

     I had to give up collecting the X-books a while ago due to budgetary
restraints (I'm a university student with *NO* money). But lately, I'm sorta
curious about a few things....

    Namely, did Beast and Trish Tilby ever work things out?? Are Iceman and 
Opal still together? And finally, did Lobdell ever completely screw up the 
Scott and Jean thing?

    BTW did anyone read the recent "Song's End" issue where Professor X and
Jubilee "Hang out"? I flipped through it at a newstand and thought it was
not bad. An issue where there's actually a bit of emphasis on character and
storytelling. Remarkable!!!

DMK
 

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purpose; I will win for him if I can; If not, I will gain nothing but my
shame, and the odd hits." - Puck quoting Shakespeare in The Crossing Line

Dwayne MacKinnon, 910252m@Dragon.acadiau.ca, Acadia University, Wolfville,
Nova Scotia, Canada.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > I still think the art kind of sucks -- especially the
 > larger-bodied individuals like Wolverine, Sabretooth and the Beast
 > -- their torsos are so ridiculously ballooned, it's a wonder they
 > don't pop!

Is it jst me, or does anyone else think this show looks just TERRIBLE?
I've never watched an episode, just seen the commercials -- but when
you're sitting there watching the excellent BATMAN cartoon and you see
an ad for the X-MEN come on, doesn't it look like just total trash?  Why
does Marvel have such problems with committing a little bit of cash to
create a quality product, instead of cranking out a constant stream of
crappy movies and cartoons?

-- 

----
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"I don't wanna know how!  I don't wanna learn, see?  The more you
drive, the less intelligent you are."
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:58:20 GMT

In article <starman.042z@crash.amigans.gen.nz> starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz writes:
}Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) wrote:
}: lore@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Lore Christian Sjoberg):
}: >CHAMPION V
}: >
}: >Secret Identity: Buck Von Tiffany
}: >Power: Can control anything beginning with the letter "V".
}: >Angst: Fears that his powers are too useful, and the rest of the
}: >       team is jealous.
}: 
}: This power is better than almost anything the major teams have.
}: Just imagine being able to control volume, velocity, viscosity,
}: vectors, violence, and vermin.  Why there are cities that would
}: pay a fortune merely for the services of someone who could 
}: control vandalism.  And, of course, if some interstellar menaces
}: threaten, CV could always use his power over velocity to ram
}: them with the planet Venus.
}: 
}
}
}do you mean thay should vector the velocity of Venus into the very volume
}of the interstellar menaces thus causing vandalism on there vital bits.

How Velikovskian!


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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Excalibur's Future SPOILERS (rewrite)
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:00:35 GMT

Had a minor goof posting this the first time.
Just read a synopsis of Excalibur #66 in 'Previews'
and *Spoilers Ahead*

The RCX thing winds up and Dark Phoenix shows up.
Yes it said DARK Phoenix; Like WHY?
Hope it not just an excuse to kill off Rachel {Remember "Jean Grey"?}
and that the writers remember that Phoenix and the Universe are linked
(Excalibur #26 and #52) {Can you say 'I smell another Retcon' or 'more
Marvel bad writing ahead'?}
Not the best sign of things to come for Excalibur.
Here is hoping 'Previews' is wrong {I mean a synopsis of an issue 4 months down
the line is a little much}
From: dmcclue@waltz.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur's Future SPOILERS
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:43:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan8.162605.9436@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>Just read a synopsis of Excalibur #36 in 'Previews'
>and *Spoilers Ahead*
>
>The RCX thing winds up and Dark Phoenix shows up.
>Yes it said DARK Phoenix; Like WHY?
>Hope it not just an excuse to kill off Rachel {Remember "Jean Grey"?}
>and that the writers remember that Phoenix and the Universe are linked
>(Excalibur #26 and #32) {Can you say 'I smell another Retcon' or 'more
>Marvel bad writing ahead'?} 
>Not the best sign of things to come for Excalibur.
>Here is hoping 'Previews' is wrong {I mean a synopsis of an issue 4 months down
>the line}


I think Dark Phoenix is coming back.  On the Excalibur poster, Rachel is 
dressed in Dark Phoenix red...not the green and gold.  I think that since the
Phoenix can't die, but doesn't want to use its powers will give Rachel control
but with very limited access to the phoenix-force.  But because the Phoenix
is felling all guilty and angsty, she will call herself Dark Phoenix. Every
time the power is used, she is doing an "evil" thing.  Not necessary that
the phoenix-force itself is evil.

Also on the poster is Micromax so I guess he will be joining the team.
Kylun, Feron, and the evolved Widget are there also so they will also be
full members.


Patrick
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: UX #298 proves that Scott Lobdell can write
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:30:17 GMT
Organization: McGill University

I always said that Scott Lobdell could write but his plots were bad.
My suspicion is that Scott has been writing stories that "had" to be
done as opposed to stories that were of artistic merit.  In last week's
Comic Shop News, Fabian Nicieza says "X-Cutioner's Song was a chance
for us to clean the blackboard a little bit."  Perhaps with X-C over,
Lobdell will be able to put his previous work behind him.

That being said, I *still* get the feeling that Scott and Bob haven't
been doing all their homework (Nurse Sharon Friedlander helped look
after Legion, not the New Mutants.) and his attempts at humour are
still falling flat.  Nevertheless, his work is enjoyable now.  (It's
like reading the LNH only with pictures. :) )  Consider, for instance,
the Acolytes: it's interesting to see "evil mutants" with standard
uniforms, like the X-Men themselves, all honouring Magneto's dream.
I think this is a sign of respect for the character of Magneto on the
part of Lobdell; certainly this is a good sign.

One last thing to note: Iceman is currently in Russia right now so
wasn't available for this issue (UX #298).  Now, reread page 28 and
imagine Iceman instead of Gambit.  See what I mean?  I think Lobdell
might have been a *bit* lazy and just told the artist to substitute
Gambit for Iceman.  Hmm.  That is *not* a good sign.

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From: law10005@nusunix1.nus.sg (DEVINDRAN JEYATHURAI)
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:33:14 GMT

Sorry, Brad. I didn't mean for it all to sound so ... what's the word
for it ... vehement?
It's just that the thought of people complaining about what seems to me
to be a perfectly correct posting got me a little riled up.
Hmm ... this reminds me ... I've never seen an apology for a flame
before ... does this make me some sort of a pioneer?
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:36:57 GMT

In article <1gl0l5INN2s0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cbuteau@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:

>	How Madelyne got the phoenix force is a story that is slowly
>told over the pages of Inferno.  What happened was when the Phoenix killed
>itself (on the moon, remember??) , it returned to awake Jean Grey.  But it
>returned to Jean with all the memories of all it had done.  Jean rejected it,
>and because of this she did not come out of stasis until she was found later.
>The Phoenix looking for a host found the template Madelyne Pryor 
>(Sinister's creation he was into cloning) which had
>not been conscious before.  Upon awakening Madelyne shouted 'Scott' the same
>word the phoenix had shouted on the moon before committing suicide.  The 
>essence of the phoenix was accepted by Jean Grey in the tail end of Inferno.
>So whatever is left of the phoenix and Madelyne Pryor is now a part of
>Jean Grey.
>
How this relates to Rachel Summers is anyone's guess...we were originally told
that the Phoenix Force was stored in with Jean's essense in that globe thingy
at Jean's parent's house *way* back in Uncanny X-Men. Certainly the Phoenix
Force is flying around quite happily in Excalibur these days.

I thought that both Rachel getting the Phoenix Force and Jean's resurrection
were stupid way back then, and I'm even more sure of it now.

Mike
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:31:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

A couple of things I noticed:

1.	The scene where Jubilee appeared at the X-Mansion while being
	held at the Mutant Control Agency was omitted.

2.	The oversized Wolverine (or undersized Sentinel) battle was
	reworked so that both characters were proportionately sized.

3.	Cyclops' glasses were re-painted red during his visit to
	Jubilee's parents' home.	
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From: palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: XMEN T.A.S.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:41:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes)
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In article <1993Jan11.060829.20052@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
> Anyone know if the rest of the xmen are going to show
> up in the series? (Collossus, Psylocke, Iceman, Archangel,
> Bishop)
> 
> Anyone know if the animation is going to get any better?
Colossus, Archangel, Bishop, Cable, Cannonball, and some others will make  
an appearance.
From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:14:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

well...my point actually was that its a silly discussion, but i suppose ill 
have to continue since i did bring up the questions.  As far as that battle
back in issue 208 (ill have Trivia lad on the run soon.  that was from memory)
when Harry Leland sank Peter into the ground, Selene also intervened when
Rouge tried to save him and caused her to absorb his powers, so while he was 
underground, he was not in steel form.  Actually that whole sequence was pretty
hokey, what with Kity being able to find him in pitch blackness and in three
dimensions while holding her breath.  Yeah, right.

...to be continued (going home from work right now)

Brad

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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: PRESENTING>>> The MU Absorb-Off!
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:44:33 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <C0pK7q.H14@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) writes:
>In article <C0oLnr.Gvv@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
>>

  Not to be picky but DOPPLEGANGER was born in East Germany, I mean Unified
 Germany, whose father escaped to Russia to Experiment on Mutants, quick way
 to get rid of mutants, not as fast as the Morlocks but ....
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:46:56 GMT

In article <1ir9v1$amr@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>>>Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
>>For the same reason many people who need glasses for more ordinary reasons
>>don't wear contacts.
>Silly boys, it's even easier than that -- wouldn't someone with
>red irises kind of bug you out?

Someone with red glasses would sort of bug me out too, when you think about it.

>>It's only his living tissue and things mostly in contact with it that change.
>>The latter part covers clothing, hair, and feces in the digestive system.
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>My God, just what DOES Colossus eat?! :)
>I don't think his clothing changes with him.

I goofed on clothing of course.

The intestines are part of the digestive system, though. :-)
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On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: It's Slander (Was: Re: Slanderous attacks by Dhenry (or is it libel?)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:31:03 GMT

In article <BzA7DB.5q1@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>Scavenger, that sad excuse for an X-Fan, dared to say:
>
>>Lobdell would make a wonderful waiter at Denny's, auto mechanic or door stop!
>
>
>>What I don't like is that he's working on a book that was once the gem of
>>the comic industry.  Remember when it's writer was consistantly the best writer
>>in opinion polls and fan awards?  Remember when X-Men was the first book you
>>HAD to read in that weeks shipment?
>
>[...and so on, and so on, and so on]
>
>Yeah, but I'm not going to blame Lobdell for that. The problems with the
>X-books, IMO, are far more reaching than the fact that Lobdell is writing
>UX. The plots started suffering when the crossovers became an annual thing.
>The characters started suffering when Liefeld got to have his Romper Room
>in the X-corrall. The constant behind both of those is the X-Editor, Bob
>Harras. I hold him responsible for the general decline in quality of the
>X-books, from a character/plot standpoint.
>
>Lobdell, while certainly not a PAD or Morrison, still does an adequate job.
>He's just trying to dig himself out of a realllllllly deeeeeeeeep hollllllle
>[expensive echo effect OFF].
>
But, until recently, U X-Men has consistently been the worst X-read (well,
ever since Liefeld got off X-Force). That must reflect on Lobdell's writing.
Actually, Lobdell's been showing disturbing signs of adequacy recently. The
first 2 of his 3 X-C S issues were actually rather readable, and the recent 
issue was actually good enough to persuade me not to drop U X-Men (yet). Still,
he has a lot of ground to make up, and I wish he'd keep his grubby little hands
off Excalibur...

>On a completely non-Mutant note, the recent end of Morrison's run on Doom
>Patrol brings me back to an interview where he said that the next character
>he'd really like to work on is Spider-Man. Now *that* would be cool.
>
Well, in a recent (ie sometime last year) interview he did for the UK magazine 
Comics World, he said that it was very likely he would do some Marvel stuff
particularly Spider-Man. Apparantly he's decided he doesn't want to do
critically-acclaimed stuff that no-one reads, he wants to sell out and make
lots of money by writing trash for Marvel. It was quite a bitter interview,
he savaged comics fans, critics and other writers quite badly...

Mike

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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: It's Slander (Was: Re: Slanderous attacks by Dhenry (or is it libel?)
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:12:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.182504.11589@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.010013.21564@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>>
>>Believe it or not, I enjoyed the issue of Excalibur by Lobdell and James Fry.
>>The story had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and the art was pretty 
>>decent.
>>
>Not the story about Brian sharing a room with Peter Parker in his younger days,
>was it, by any chance? That was probably the first thing written by Lobdell
>that I liked...
>
>Mike
>

Yes. This was issue #53.

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