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From: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KNICKS
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:54:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
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In a previous article, pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L) says:

>
>Season starts tonight, so here's my prdiction.
>
>Knicks vs. Cleveland in the Eastern Finals
>Golden State vs. San Antonio in the West
>
>Knicks vs. Golden State in the Finals
>
>Knicks win championship
>
>GO KNICKS
>
>                               Paul
>
>
>

Yeah right.  Hoo boy, that's pretty good.  
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:30:47 GMT

In article <1689C9576.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

>Almost as funny as it will be when the Bulls don't threepeat.
> 
>There's a chart in today's Detroit News that shows the records of the Bulls
>and Pistons for the last 10 seasons. Pistons were in 1st place 3 times, the
>Bulls only twice. Pistons were in second 4 times, the Bulls only twice.
>But the Bulls were in 4th or 5th 5 times, Detroit were never below 3rd
>in the last 10 seasons.
> 
>>eric   :)
> 
>--Eric ;-)

Settle down there!!!  What exactly is the point of this other than to woof
a little bit for ones team when they are minutely bashed?  I mean after all,
What the Pistons have done in the past doesn't really matter, as neither does
what the Bulls have done in the past as it reflects to there record this year,
except for one thing -- who has done the most to improve their team to make
them a contender?  I think that this one goes to the Bulls.  They have made
some great pick-ups, and did so again this year in acquiring a veteran
class act like Rodney McCray, and have built the team around Jordan.  Also,
the emergence of Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant, as well as B.J. Armstrong
has also contributed to their success.  

I think that comparing the Pistons records to the Bulls records of the 
last five to six years, has about about as much sense as comparing the 
records of the Lakers to the record of the Blazers over the last decade.
The Blazers have some good young players on their team, and have experience
at the real skill positions...While the Lakers have lost Kareem to retirement,
Magic to HIV, and a lot of the other players that were on the last championship
team to old age or retirement.

Look who is on top now!!!

Food for thought.

Sean

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From: bjcg2405@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (gn0tt)
Subject: Re: MailMan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:48:38 GMT

bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:

>Put yourself in Karl's shoes.  If Magic is coming down the lane, do you take
>a hard foul or let him score.  If it were me, I'd let him score; 2 points
>ain't worth the risk.  I don't care what those so-called doctors say, you
>CAN'T determine the probability of catching AIDS during a basketball game.
>A hard foul, a little blood, and voila!!!   It CAN happen, so why not 
>eliminate the risk?  You can't say that it can`t happen because you know it
>can.

1)  It is extremely unlikely that Magic is the only NBA player to become
    HIV+.  If you're one of those people whe are unable to think in terms
    of probabilities, then you should realize that you can never
    completely "eliminate the risk."  Even mandatory testing would not
    completely eliminate all risk of contracting HIV during a game.

2)  Pro athletes are much, much more likely to contract HIV from having
    sex than on a basketball court.  (Oh yeah, that's thinking in terms
    of probabilities again.)

3)  It's possible that your keyboard will short out and electrocute you.
    It CAN happen, so why not eliminate the risk?  Stop posting now!
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Spurs????
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:13:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Nov11.220755.6024@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ibmpa!sharktank.ibmoto.com!scott@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com writes:
>
> Robinson, 10-17 fg, 9-10 ft for 29pts.
   
   And don't forget about those 10 blocked shots!!! That was the difference
   in the game I thought.

   --salty


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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Pacers Ramblings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:51:58 GMT

Well, thanks to an IU intrasquad scrimmage and an early evening nap, I missed
most of the Bulls-Pacers matchup in Chicago Monday night, which the Bulls won
102-97.

Quite frankly, the Pacers blew it for the second time in two games.  They were
leading the Bulls 97-90 with 3:10 or so left in the game, and they didn't
score again.  They let Michael Jordan, meanwhile, score 10 or 12 points in
the home stretch.  What's more, they gave Jordan a free pass to the lane to
give the Bulls the lead with less than a minute left.  They had a foul to give
before the penalty, too.

The officials hindered Indiana's cause again last night when they refused to
reset the shot clock after Sam Mitchell's errant hook shot glanced off the rim.
Mitchell grabbed the ball before going out of bounds and called timeout, and
a major argument ensued, but the refs left two second on the shot clock when
it should have been twenty.  Even Indy Star reporter Bill Benner was furious
over this.

Nevertheless, Indiana has no excuse for losing this game.  Donnie Walsh has
done everything right to make this a better team on paper, yet they cannot
translate it into a victory.  I suspect that if this trend continues, Bob Hill
will join the cast of The Hat Squad in the unemployment line come January.
Give this team to Rick Pitino or Pat Riley, and they would pose a much more
serious threat to the Bulls.  Is Don Chaney still around?

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From: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Gary Payton, Spurs/Rockets roster request
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:48:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
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Spanning the globe from Texas to Seattle.....

What is the feeling in Seattle these days about Gary Payton?  Is
everyone as down on him as I perceived a number of folks were
last year?  Has he shown improvement in camp this season?  Are
Nate McMillan and Dana "Right Hand" Barros going to steal time?

Also, could someone please post probable rosters for the Spurs
and for the Rockets?  I'm having a real difficult time getting past
player #9 on both teams.  Do the injuries in San Antone mean, and
I'm glassy-eyed and choked up when I say this, that Matt Othick is
going to make an NBA roster?
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Popeye?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:19:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Did he forget to eat his Spinach before rookie camp?  I'm pretty sure he
was drafted but I can't remember who.  What happened to Popeye Jones?!

Mike

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:05:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>I agree. Really.
>You come close to seeing my point, but you just missed it.
>My point is that Bulls fans want to laugh at "If you're bad, go to Detroit"
>as if their team is the greatest that has ever been and ever will be, and as
>if Detroit is really the worst. I brought up the record to show that things
>change, and that the Bulls have really not yet accomplished anything more
>than the Pistons did in the past 10 seasons. And unless they 3peat, they
>still won't have proven themselves better over the long run.
> 

	First of all, it's not only Bulls fans that are laughing over the
	commercial.  I think that just about everyone laughs when they
	see that commercial.  The Pistons might have been champs, but
	they weren't too well liked by the league.  Remember their nickname
	the "Bad Boys"?

	Anyways, as far as the Bulls' accomplishments -- can U say
	67 wins?  Certainly something the Pistons haven't accomplished.
	And I still say the Pistons' 1st championship was tainted.  The
	Lakers without either Magic Johnson or Byron Scott at the time
	was like a screwdriver without the alcohol.

	Nothing to take away from the Pistons, though.  They certainly
	proved themselves as a great championship team.  Wins are wins.
	If U want to complain about the commercial, why don't U just go
	and call NIKE?

	Jazzy J

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: COMPLETE 1992-93 TNT/NBC BROADCAST SCHEDULE
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:51:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <BxGtKu.Dzu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> chu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93_CBR900RR) writes:
>Argh...are these eastern or central or pacific times...
>
>many thanks
>
>eric

Eastern Standard Time.

Also, a correction : The start of Chicago at Lakers on 11/20 was listed
                     at 8pmEDT. If you copied the schedule,please correct
                     it to 10:30pmEDT(7:30pmPST,8:30pmMST,9:30pmCST).

Thanks,

-PPV Mark
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From: pabouki@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: Trade Rumors (Alonzo Deal)
Originator: pabouki@c00446-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Rodman, Charlotte, Detroit, Reid, Newman 
Reply-To: pabouki@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:35:18 GMT



Reports are coming out today that Alonzo has agreed to a Hornets offer with 
him getting $2.5 million for his rookie season.  Now, the Hornets have to find
some way to fit him under the cap.  Spencer Stolpen, president of the Hornets
refused to confirm that the Hornets are close to striking a trade involving
Dennis Rodman for J.R. Reid and Johnny Newman + Draft pick(s).  This deal, if
it falls through, would free up money to get Alonzo in.  Rumors also are abound
that the Hornets refused a deal involving the disgruntled Rodman for Dell Curry
and Kenny Gattison this past summer.  


						-Perry
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Subject: Re: Thoughts about recent postings
From: <ACH2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:03:12 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <26060@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
says:
>
>In article <1992Nov7.211533.27114@news2.cis.umn.edu>, jb@buddha.ncc.umn.edu
>(James Barnett) writes:
>> Obviously, those people who participate in the name calling game have some
>> need to be heard - possibly feeling alienated in many areas in their lives.
>> (Much of the name-calling involves attacks on players, general managers,
>> etc...)
>
>Yeah  -that's what it is. I'm sure we all thank you for your arm-chair
>psychoanalysis. Perhaps you should stick around a while and watch and learn
>before you pass judgements on what is or is not happenning in this group.

No surprise that the offenders that the original poster referred to would
instantly take offense to r.s.bb.p being considered an information
exchange instead of their own personal conversation line.
I have grown used to the inportant insights and information that various
teams' reporters post being crowded by pointless postings that do nothing
but reflect poorly on the poster, but that doesn't mean I like it.
And just because this forum has been swamped with useless postings
in the past doesn't mean it has to continue.

Alan Hutson
ach2@psuvm.psu.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 08:34:57 CST
From: <U51115@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Greatest Ever
 <1d25o7INN12r@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>

In article <1d25o7INN12r@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier) says:
>
>In article <56980010@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM> neal@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer)
>writes:
>> > Bill Russell IMO is greater, for he achieved more (championships,
>> > player-coach, leade rship, ..) with the limited offensive skills he had.
>>
>> If you want the greatest with limited skills the indisputable hands down
>winner
>> would be Bill Laimbeer.
>>
>> Neal
>
     You know, you can have your Jordan's and your Gretzkey's, and even your
Pele's, but I believe without a doubt the greatest athelete of all time was
Stimpy and his impact in the world of Booger-picking. Never has such an
athelete captivated the athletic dimension like Stimpy has. A pioneeer of
unselfish fame and profiles, Stimpy has done more for the atheletic community
than these overrated-no talented atheletes. Not to mention that Clinton
was .... Wait a minute, this is the wrong newsgroup isn't it? Sorry.:)

>Here, Here!
>Laimbeer->  White Boy, Can't Jump, Not the best shot in the world, not the
>tallest, not the strongest
>Laimbeer->  The Most Competitive!!!
>
>Handsdown, Laimbeer's ability sucks, but he (in the past) has been good!
>
>----------
>Go Celts!
>Barry Trottier
>e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE chi01cle01.06nov92
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:18:06 GMT

From article <BxGKEo.16s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ):
> 
> 	What are the rules on getting into a boxscore?  In this game, Corey
> 	Williams only came in for the final 3.7 seconds of the game -- and
> 	did nothing (not even a turnover) to merit being in the boxscore.
> 	What are the rules?  If someone came in for 0.3 seconds only, would
> 	he get 1 minute in the boxscore?  And if you're using rounding-up
> 	to determine minutes, how would the total minutes add up to 240?
> 	Just wondering,
> 
> 	Jazzy J

If you get in the game you always get at least a minute of playing time.

I'm not sure how they get it to add up 240 in this type of case.  (Perhaps
subtract a minute from the guy he substituted for).

SEH
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs roster
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:01:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
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In a previous article, salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) says:

>In article <1d934uINNada@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers) writes:
>>
>>Although John Battle's plea to be traded might cause some
>>rearrangement of this lineup in the next few days, the
>>Cavaliers currently look like:
>>
>>Brad Daugherty          Mark Price
>>Hot Rod Williams        Danny Ferry
>>Larry Nance             Terrell Brandon
>>Mike Sanders            John Battle
>>Craig Ehlo              Jerome Lane
>>Gerald Wilkins          Steve Kerr

Jerome Lane and Jay Guidinger were put on IR. Thus Bobby Phils made the
12 man roster.

>
>I feel that the Cavs can upset the Bulls if Daugherty and the starting
>line-up are healthy.
>
>I predict that the Cavs and Bulls will be in the Eastern finals. Not the 
>Knicks.
>
>The Cavs don't have any rookies or do they?

Nope, Cavs have no rookies.

Alex

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CAAAVS!

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BULLS-CAVS on TNT Tonight (Friday)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:25:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The subject says it all. Bulls-Cavs at 8pm tonight.
Don't miss it. The top two teams in the Eastern
Conference (IMHO).
From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:36:19 GMT
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:

>>			THEN YOU GO TO DETROIT...
>>
>>sorry...i thought it was funny


> Funny, I thought it was sorry.


> Wonder what people in Detroit thought of it.

  Does anybody *REALLY* care what people in Detroit think? 
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From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Bulls roster
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:35:06 GMT


I haven't seen the Bulls roster posted yet, so here it is:

G:	Michael Jordan
	John Paxson
	BJ Armstrong
	Trent Tucker
	Corey Williams

F:	Scottie Pippen
	Horace Grant
	Rodney McCray
	Scott Williams

C:	Bill Cartwright
	Stacey King
	Will Perdue

Tucker, C. Williams, and McCray replace Hodges, Hansen, and Levingston
from last year's team.

The Bulls open in Cleveland Friday night after posting a 9-0 exhibition
record.

Mike Sager
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:32:19 EST
From: <JER108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: MailMan
 <Bx8JsB.724@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <Bx9854.Ar7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

In article <Bx9854.Ar7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, bjcg2405@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (gn0tt)
says:
>3)  It's possible that your keyboard will short out and electrocute you.
>    It CAN happen, so why not eliminate the risk?  Stop posting now!

This is an interesting, but incorrect analogy. If you type on your
keyboard, you put YOURSELF at risk. If Magic plays in a game, he
could well be putting other people at risk. I agree that the odds are
probably ridiculously slim, but they are there. AIDS/HIV is a serious
disease. Everyone always says "protect yourself". That is just what the
other players in the league are doing when they object to his playing.
It is scary to think what would would happen if he did infect another
player. Imagine if he infected MJ. The backlash would be devastating
to the AIDS movement and would probably set off a wave of fear and
prejudice about AIDS. Is it worth it? I'm damn glad that it's not
my responsability to decide.
                                    John E. Runski
                                    <jer108@psuvm>
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: SONICS >> LAKERS 114-102 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.060529.14277@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:

>Sonics beat the Lakers tonight 114-102.  They led most of the way (lead 

   [...stuff deleted]

>SONICS:
>Kemp was amazing.... i didn't think he had become THAT good (or else I had
>been ignorant) but his moves are A LOT stronger and his shooting seems to be

     Also, he's developed much more ability to put the ball on the floor
and drive, more than I've seen before anyway.  Before, it seemed he was
dependent on the other players to get the ball to him in the low post.
Against the Lakers he would sometimes get the ball at midcourt and
take it in himself.

>McKEY: he seemed to improve as well.  he was looking for the shot and played
>pretty well.  

     True in this game.  The danger is extrapolating from 1 game.  McKey  
was 4-11 in each of the Houston games.  Now, McKey is better than a 4-11
player.  On the other hand, he is probably not a 27 point per night
scorer.  The jury is still out on McKey (but getting impatient, at least
this juror is).

>BENJAMIN: limited minutes, but he seemed to have good spirits too. he was
>hustling pretty well.. I was really surprised.. chasing after balls going
>out of bounds and hurling over the front row seats.. nice to see.. if he can
>do this throughout the whole season now (:( hmmmm) i will be happy.

     Amen to that.  He was hustling on both D and O.
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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: MAGIC, MALONE ... AND WHY THE AMERICANS CHUCKED AN AUSTRALIAN..
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:37:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au


talk about being HYPOCRITES....


now we can see everything,... its all visualizing

re: olympics, and australian captain phil smyth refusing to play with
magic johnson should australian played them in the olympics..



the americans say.... there is no risk of playing a hiv infected player
.... and now, nba players like karl malone say they cant risk playing
with johnson... why? cuts and bruisers (IE ISIAH)

so what does this say about americans?


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From: tmorgan@quesadilla.ssesco.com (Toni Morgan)
Subject: Re: Rookies in first games
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:56:41 GMT

In article <1drs3uINN9sb@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>Laettner did play well. However Owens had the better performance inthe match
>up. Owens drove to the basket at will and shot a very high fg%, got many 
>rebounds, and had a very good overall game. There is no way "Laettner ate
>Owens up" in that game.

Did someone claim that he did ("ate Owens up")?  Certainly not me.  I must
have missed it.  Still, I don't know that I'd say Owens had the better
performance in the matchup.

I'll buy "very high fg%", which was 10-12; "got many rebounds" I don't
know about - 1 offensive, 6 total.  Respectable, not "many", I'd say.  (CL got
7 offensive, 14 total.  More like "many", eh?.)  Also, my recollection is
that Owens, like CL, starts at the 4 position.  However, CL spent a good
number of minutes at the 5 position, which I think was mostly against Tyrone
Hill.

Owens had 23 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, and 4 turnovers in 40 minutes.
Laettner had 26 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 blocked shot, and 2 turnovers in 35 minutes.  You pick the better performance.

rgds,
  T

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