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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Re: Wolves! They're back?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:38:18 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec31.101142.3056@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ketchum@gandalf.network.com (Bret Ketchum) writes:
>cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (V) writes:
>>Matt Rein writes:
>>>BTW, we hunt deer in and out of wolf country here in MN.  The hunting is
>>>the same in both places as far as I can tell.  

bunch of stuff deleted

>The carcass was an old doe with
>virtually nothing left of her teeth and was ripped up by all the
>little critters that run in the woods - including loose dogs.  There
>wasn't a wolf print for 50 yards (thats as far as we bothered to
>look). And before anyone asks, these dogs were hunters as in the deep
>snow you could just make out the web between the toes.

Brett, what do you mean by the last sentence or two? I kind of read it
that you think wolves have webbed toes or something and I don't think that
is what you mean. Could you explain please?

Thanks,
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From: todd@refrig.dixie.com (Todd H.)
Subject: Re: Vizsla:Or better
Organization: throw it on the floor - it's happier there.
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:16:34 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.102402.737@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>>My opinion is very biased, but the breed of choice is:
>>   Labrador Retriever

>It is obvious that your opinion is very biased, as you state.
>Everyone knows that Labs are all wet.  A German Shorthair Pointer is
>clearly superior.  While Labs are very nice pets, I have never seen
>one that was much of a pointer.  Anyone who has ever had the pleasure
>of hunting with a GSP knows that in all but the worst climates they
>will retrieve well on both land and in water, and find and point birds
>with style.

Well, I really have no argument with *anything* you've said about the
German Wirehaired Pointer, having had considerable experience with
them.  But I would like to add that if you want to get rid of that "in
all but the worst climates" problem, buy yourself a German Drahthaar -
I've had mine retrieving ducks when she had to break ice to get out of
the water, and she loved it.  Even better, just to prove she isn't
just a Lab with a wiry coat, she pointed pheasants later in the day,
and finished it out by tracking down a wounded deer that a buddy had
lost.

Not a bad day for just one 15 month old puppy, eh?


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From: tcs@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (theodore.c.seed)
Subject: Re: fox
Organization: AT&T
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:43:01 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Rabies

In 3351, From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower) asks:

> Are foxes primarily nocturnal? I've had one poking around my yard for
> about a week (eating grapes). Yesterday it came into the yard when three
> of my Irish Wolfhounds were out - which seemed pretty foolish. Rather
> than risking the dogs getting bit by this small, sneaky creature (I
> suspect it killed a number of my chickens earlier this year) - I shot
> it. 
> 
> I'm wondering if it could have been rabid? I live in an area where
> rabies is very active in skunks. I've never seen a fox so active during
> the day - I shot it just after noon. 
> 
> I didn't skin it, but did save the tail. 
> 
> thanks...rich 

Rich:

I am not an expert, but I do know that fox, skunk, racoon, coyote, 
and opossum are primarily nocturnal. Having grown up in the country,
it has been my experience that anytime you see nocturnal creatures 
wandering around in the daylight, apparently oblivious to people and 
dogs, it's a safe bet they are rabid.

Of course, there is the possibility this fox had lived in the
community for so long that it became used to people and dogs.
I have seen that in campground locations, where the owners
informed me that the fox has been around for years, and makes
the rounds, looking for a handout.

I sincerely hope you did not have any cuts or abrasions on
your hands when you handled it, or that you wore gloves.

Rabies is something you don't want to mess with.

If you suspect your fox had rabies, and if you still have the
carcass, call a local veterinarian. He/she can tell you how to
have the brain tested for rabies.

Regards,

Ted
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: fox questions
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:41:49 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article: <1993Jan5.102421.804@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

Rich says:

rc>Are foxes primarily nocturnal? I've had one poking around my yard for
rcabout a week (eating grapes). Yesterday it came into the yard when three
rc>cof my Irish Wolfhounds were out - which seemed pretty foolish. Rather
rc>than risking the dogs getting bit by this small, sneaky creature (I
rc>suspect it killed a number of my chickens earlier this year) - I shot
rc>it.
rc>
rc>I'm wondering if it could have been rabid? I live in an area where
rc>rabies is very active in skunks. I've never seen a fox so active during
rc>the day - I shot it just after noon.
rc>
rc>I didn't skin it, but did save the tail.
rc>
rc>thanks...rich

Bummer for the fox, huh?  While I suppose that fox _could_ have been
rabid diurnal activity certainly is _not_ an indicator of rabidity in
foxes.  I cannot remember offhand, but I _think_ both grey and red
foxes tend to be crepuscular (dusk & dawn) or diurnal rather than
nocturnal.

I have frequently seen both grey and red foxes at various hours during
the day, in states as varied as North Carolina and Colorado.

One of my greatest pleasures these days is seeing the red foxes which
live by (an amazingly-still-standing-in-this-develop-at-all-costs-state) hay
field.  My wife and I both tend to mark our weeks by our sightings of
these red foxes out hunting by the interstate--we usually spot them
several times a week, between 0700 and 1300 hours.  Don't look a bit
rabid to me, just look like foxes, out doing their business.

bws
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From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Vizsla:Or better
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:40:58 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.102402.737@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
>Subject: Re: Vizsla
>Date: 5 Jan 93 16:24:01 GMT
>In article <1993Jan4.083710.26189@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>   andre.trudel@acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:
>>I'm thinking of getting a vizsla for pheasant hunting.
>>Anybody have any experience hunting with them?
>>Would this be a wise choice for a pheasant dog?
>>Anybody know where I could purchase one on the American
>>or Canadian east coast?
>>
>>Any advice on the breed would be greatly appreciated.`
>>I've never hunted with one. I just love the looks of them.
> 
> 
>My opinion is very biased, but the breed of choice is:
>   Labrador Retriever

Chris, 

I trust that you intended to throw down the gauntlet.

It is obvious that your opinion is very biased, as you state.
Everyone knows that Labs are all wet.  A German Shorthair Pointer is
clearly superior.  While Labs are very nice pets, I have never seen
one that was much of a pointer.  Anyone who has ever had the pleasure
of hunting with a GSP knows that in all but the worst climates they
will retrieve well on both land and in water, and find and point birds
with style.

The only complaints that I have with mine is that he insist on reading
my magazines first and always beats me to the TV remote.  I am really
tired of those nature shows. Oh, and he drives too fast.

DGA



> 
>I'm pretty sure that Richard Wolters (the guy that wrote _Water Dog_,
>_Gun Dog_, _Game Dog_, and _Family Dog_ lives in that area.
> 
>      -----------------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
>cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
>(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Quotes from NRA 1993 Calendar
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:43:20 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Quotes from 1993 NRA-ILA Calendar
---------------------------------

In 1991, nearly 20 million licensed hunters contributed over $430
million to state fish and wildlife agencies.

Since 1923, sales of state hunting licenses, tags and permits have
provided more than $6 billion for wildlife management, habitat
acquisition and enhancement, among other projects.

Currently, the economic impact directly associated to hunting is
estimated to be more than $12 billion annually.

Since the 1920's, as a result of hunters' dollars and efforts,
wildlife populations have risen from historical lows to today's
notable highs:  White-tailed deer from 300,000 to 20 million, wild
turkey from 30,000 to 4 million, wood duck from nearly extinct to 3
million and north american elk from 25,000 to 1 million.

Every year, more than 50,000 hunters donate $25 million worth of
services as volunteer instructors to hunter education programs.

Since its enactment, the Pittman-Robertson (P-R) Act has made more
than $2.4 billion available to state wildlife agencies for wildlife
management, hunter education programs, and shooting range
development.

In 1990 alone, Pittman-Robertson (P-R) funds allowed for the purchase
of over 47,000 acres and easements for 20,000 acres to benefit both
game and non-games species.

Sound hunter-supported wildlife management practices continue to
ensure sustainable, healthy, huntable American Black Bear populations
in over 25 of the 35 or more states where bears are known to exist.

Pittman-Robertson (P-R) funds have assisted 46 of 50 states in
providing hunter safety and education reaching over 21 million
hunters.

In the last 25 years, the national hunting accident rate has decreased
steadily with 1990 listing only 8.0 accidents per 100,000 hunters.
Hunting may now be the safest of all outdoor recreational sports.

Fighting for your rights, NRA-ILA supported hunter protection
legislation that is now in effect in 45 states and federal anti-hunter
harassment legislation is pending in the U.S. Congress.

Retail purchases by hunters stimulate more than more than $26 billion
per year in economic benefits and more than 360,000 U.S. jobs are
directly dependent on hunting-related expenditures.


Since 1979, more than $255 million has been appropriated for hunter
safety training and education with nearly $30 million apportioned in
1992 alone.

At a cost of $254 million, Pittman-Robertson (P-R) funds returned to
the states have been used to purchase almost 5 million acres of
valuable wildlife habitat.

(Taken from the NRA-ILA 1993 Conservation Calendar)
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 All Month  Rabbit and Crow are legal to hunt all month in Michigan
  Jan. 09   Opening of Michigan Canada Goose special late season
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         <<<<<<  Only nine months until bow season!!! >>>>>>
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: NRA Code of Ethics
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:42:53 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

		NRA CODE OF ETHICS
	
1.	I will consider myself an invited guest of the landowner
	seeking his permission, and so conducting myself that I may be
	welcome in the future

2.	I will obey the rules of safe gun handling and will
	courteously but firmly insist that other that hunt with me do
	the same.

3.	I will obey all game laws and regulations, and will insist
	that my companions to likewise.

4.	I will do my best to acquire those marksmanship and hunting
	skills which assure clean, sportsmanlike kills.

5.	I will support conservation efforts which can assure hunting
	for future generations of America.

6.	I will pass along to younger hunters the attitudes and skills
	essential to a true outdoor sportsman.

-- 
 All Month  Rabbit and Crow are legal to hunt all month in Michigan
  Jan. 09   Opening of Michigan Canada Goose special late season
      (Southern Michigan Game Management unit only w/stamp)
         <<<<<<  Only nine months until bow season!!! >>>>>>


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: fox questions
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:24:21 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Are foxes primarily nocturnal? I've had one poking around my yard for
about a week (eating grapes). Yesterday it came into the yard when three
of my Irish Wolfhounds were out - which seemed pretty foolish. Rather
than risking the dogs getting bit by this small, sneaky creature (I
suspect it killed a number of my chickens earlier this year) - I shot
it. 

I'm wondering if it could have been rabid? I live in an area where
rabies is very active in skunks. I've never seen a fox so active during
the day - I shot it just after noon. 

I didn't skin it, but did save the tail. 

thanks...rich 
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From: davidn@hpfclrnp.sde.hp.com (David Neils)
Subject: Recommended Colorado Actions
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:42:43 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Original Posting: Colorado Hunters under attack 

My reply:

Fred,

Your assumptions are correct about archery hunting for bear being the
next target of the Animal Rights organizations. There is something
that you and all other concerned bowhunters/rifle hunters can do to
help.

Write a letter to:

Colorado Wildlife Commissioners
c/o Colorado Division of Wildlife
6060 Broadway Ave
Denver, CO 80126

Include most or all of the following elements in your letter.

1. Dear Commissioners or Honorable Commissioners.
2. Identify yourself as a concerned hunter and where you live.(Out of state
   hunters obviously carry a lot of weight with their dollars!)
3. Do not be aggressive or abusive. Be pro-active and positive!
4. Explain why archery hunting for bear is important to you.
5. Thank the Commissioners for their consideration of your request to keep
   the bear archery seasons in tact.
6. Thanks them for their past efforts, time and concern for wildlife in 
   Colorado.
7. Sign you letter.

Remember, the more personal the letter the greater impact it will
have. This issue will be discussed in Denver sometime during January
(THIS MONTH!!!).  PLEASE RESPOND SOON IF HUNTING IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

Also, with the elimination of spring bear hunting in Colorado, the
Commissioners are looking at creating another rifle season for bear in
the fall. One proposal is to have this new season concurrent with deer
and elk archery season in September. As a bowhunter in Colorado I am
opposed to this idea as are many other bowhunters, Muzzleloaders,
Outfitters, and other sportsmen's groups. Go ahead and write an
additional letter or include your opposition to this idea in your
letter above.

Remember that the results of these proposals will have an impact on
your huntingregardless of where you live. If the animal rights groups
continue to be successful in Colorado.....your state will be next.

Thanks for your help,

David Neils
Colorado Bowhunters Association Member
Fort Collins, CO   






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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Wisconsin Trip Report - It's a Girl!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:39:55 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

This is only sorta related to a hunting trip report but what the heck,
I _am_ the moderator...

If you recall, I sped home in the middle of deer season about a month
ago when my wife went into labor.  That wasn't the real thing, we
waited another month.  Here is the summary...

Emily Jane Rigg was born at 3:12 am Wednesday.  She weighed 8 pounds,
5 ounces and was 20 1/2 inches.  Mom and baby (and dad) are doing
fine.  

thanks to all the rec.hunters that have sent us good wishes and
congratulations

tim
From: pwr@jab.tucson.az.us (Patrick Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Theme Events, a good idea?
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:55:37 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

Volfred quotes Ekkehart:

> Recently the idea of theme events that are limited to a special period of tim
> and a special place has been suggested several times.
> Do you really think this is such a great idea? I am a very recent member to t
> SCA and the thought of all newcomers being excluded from a range of events
> just because they don't have the right garb for the occasion depresses me.
> At the moment I'm proudly wearing my first and only t-tunic and cloak and one
> of the things I enjoy most about the SCA is the warm welcome for beginners.
> 
> And I really hope this will not change for the sake of theme events.

M'lord Ekkehart,
 
  I would encourage you to check into such theme events.  I have not yet 
seen any member omitted from an event.  What I have seen has been the 
_encouragement_ of members to remain within the theme as best as is 
possible.
 
  As with your notion, I concur that no person should be excluded from an 
SCA event for inability to maintain the theme of said event.  If that 
we were to be so strict, then the blatently mundane activities at events, 
such as filke songs to modern tunes would be banished, along with tennis 
shoes and blue jeans.
 
  As it stands, it seems that much is overlooked within the SCA; thus, 
not to worry, friend.  Go and enjoy the event.

Volfred
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Drachenwald Kingdom ideas (long)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:15:17 GMT

William de Corbie wrote:
  We could e.g. hold Crown tournament once every three years...

Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd wrote:
  I know I should wait for Tibor before I open my mouth, but I was 95% 
  certain that Corpora specifies 2 reigns per year.

I'm very late with this answer, but Corpora doesn't begin to regulate
the number of reigns per year (or years per reign).

	Tibor
--
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[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
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From: SAUNDRSG@qucdn.queensu.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Aryk on equipment economies of scale
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:59:00 GMT

First, just to set the record straight - yes, I am very interested in
period archery.  No, I do not consider myself a good example.  I don't
know what I'm doing, and won't for a long while.  (takes time to try
stuff.)

Furthermore, I've been very heartened to see some other people in the
local group get interested in shooting in a period fashion, so I'm not
a local anomaly any more... :]

There are a couple of money problems - bows will stay very expensive;
yew is rare and grows too slow to meet current demand.  Points will
stay expensive, because they're handwork and most blacksmiths *hate*
repetitive handwork.  Deciding that modern flatbows(which are cheaper and
more durable) and modern points (if they can be found in an appropriate size)
are ok (the bow should have a plain grip, and no shelf) doesn't bother me.
It's essentially the same problem but with a very good bow.

The less specific, and more annoying, problem is conservatism - many archers
exist who think period archery practice is unsafe.  If I want to convince
them otherwise, I have to make my mistakes on me, out of their sight, and
not ever give them bad advice.  (analogous to trying to sell thumb munching
gauntlets!)

People are also very conservative about what they know; having switched
styles (from a fairly modern recurve) to my best guess at english warbow,
I am certain that it is an annoying, time consuming, frustrating process
that will, in the end, lower your competition scores.  (analogous to
trying to sell gauntlets that make you fight worse!)

Which means that we need period competitions, which is a whole nother
education project.  (I have the slight hope that being able to punch
holes in armor adds enough of a 'coolness' factor that people will
start trying to shoot proper warbow poundages.)

I will most definately start selling arrows just so soon as I am
reasonably certain they won't blow up in anyone's face, and can
make them fast enough to make the price reasonable.  (Hence the
planes and jigs - you certainly can make an arrow with just a block
plane, or just a drawknife (modulo years of practice!), but I think
a good jig is what lets you make them fast.)


I'm not trying to piss and moan, really I'm not.  Just somewhat
reluctant for heaps and heaps of work to be advanced as a minimum
standard.  (Rather like I suspect most fiber types would object
to hand woven cloth in garb as a minimum standard.)

Graydon
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From: "Michael Squires" <mikes@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Primitive FireArms
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:23:22 -0500

In article <18322@bcars664.bnr.ca> Henry.Troup@BNR.CA writes:
>I recall that either the BoD or the Middle Kingdom forbids the discharge
>of black powder at events; however the use of a cannon for signalling
>the start and end of the battles at Pennsic was sanctioned for several years.

It's the Middle, resulting from the firing of a cannon at an event when the
Queen of the Middle was downrange after the gunners had been explicitly
told to cease fire by the Crown.

The real reason now is that the SCA does not have the ability (at least in
the Middle) to safely oversee the use of period firearms, and there are
other projects that could use more resources that are more important to
the functioning of the SCA as a whole than discharging firearms.

The Woods Battle at Pennsic has been terminated by a cannon shot at least
since Pennsic VIII.  There is no other method that might work, and at
Pennsic XVIII two guns were necessary.
-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Oldest/Youngest Rulers
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 05:41:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec31.160342.17972@epas.toronto.edu> nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher) writes:
>Hanno won Eastern Crown when he was 17, and was king at 18.
>
>Aryk

How did he do as King?

Carolus Malvoix

PS: One suspects he did as wellas most and better than some,
which makes one wonder about the wisdom of restricting the crown
lists...
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
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