From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: WHY abortion? started afresh
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In article <19169.2af6a991@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon) writes:
>I didn't want to say I was pro-choice since that would have got
>in the way of what I wanted to know. It was a mistake to the
>point some people went off the deep end.

No.  It is a mistake to post things like "pregnancy is only nine months of
inconvience" around me.  I tend to get testy.

>
>Now, before I start again I would like to apologise for glossing
>pregnancy over or understating the chemical rollercoaster; or as
>Crusty would like me to put it:
>'Oops. I guess there is more to pregnancy than inconvenience'.

Yep.  There is.  So whatsonyourmind?

>Allthough this was not my original point it was still wrong.

Um, I didn't think you were wrong to post it.  I just think it shows
an incredible lack of intelligence.

>Remind me to ignore female friend's stories.

The Inviolation of Truth:  Truth is.

>
>I still think there was no excuse for that gross posting. A
>pointed argument would have sufficed.

People tend to get turned off to statistics.  Especially newbies, who
frequently come screaming in here with their own agendas, shouting "Look
at me!  Listen to me!  I'm right, and you're wrong".  That "gross posting"
gets their attention, and people who are better at the debate than me can
then come in.

>
>**
>
>What is it, other than the pregnancy itself, that scares women
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>into abortion?

Um, maybe the fact that their kid is going to be born with a maximum
possible IQ of 20?  Maybe the fact that her boyfriend found out she
was pregnant and skipped town; she isn't working; can't afford pre-
natal care; and doesn't know how she's going to survive a pregnancy
at the moment?

Maybe it was the fact that she was raped, and only thinks she's pregnant?

Maybe she just found out that she is HIV+, and has done some studies
into the life expectancies of AIDS babies?

Maybe she's a hard working single woman, knows that she miscarriages
easily, and can't afford to take the 6 months off from work it would
require to ensure that she has a 50% chance of being able to carry the
z/e/f to term?

>
>One reason I suggested was shame.
>Were there no shame, would the number of abortions decrease?

I don't quite get your reasoning behind this.  The only reason I can
think of for  woman to be "ashamed" of being pregnant is if she's
really religous, and unmarried.  I don't think you'll find too many
of those people getting abortions for any reason...

>
>Another I was thinking of (what I wanted someone else to say) was
>the prospect of having to give up a career etc since the mother
>is usually the one who has most of the home duties to attend to.

Well, the woman is the one who has to carry the pregnancy to term, but
after birth, there's no reason why the man couldn't stay home, etc etc
etc.

>
>I ask that if bio-parents were not forced to raise the children,
>then would the number of abortions decrease? However, it is usually
>part of religion that the bio-parents have to raise them and
>so would not be reasonable whilst lunacy still kept 4billion
>people enthralled.

What does this have to do with "shame"?  If this is another subject,
it doesn't address the issue of a woman who is currently pregnant, who
doesn't want to be pregnant, and who doesn't want to carry the pregnancy
to term.

>
>Allowing and not-worrying are two totally separate things. Only
>some kind of mental case does not want the number of abortions
>reduced but it still remains her choice.

Hear, hear!  Yea!  Yea! [clapclapclapclap...]

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