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From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:48:59 CDT

In article <1992Apr10.171308.24256@bnr.ca> naldrett@bnr.ca (Steve Naldrett) writes:

>  "I cut your arm off!"
>
>  "No you didn't, it's just a flesh wound.  Come back here and
>   I'll byte your knee caps off!"
         ^^^^
          :
          :
          .... someobody's been spending too much time in front of his computer...

(Warning! Incoming! Computer/Martial Arts Pun Attack Expected At Dawn!)
(And she was always such a nice kid!)

-Lauren


Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 15:59:20 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
	<36033@ogicse.ogi.edu>
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hakanson@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Marion Hakanson) writes:
> Other Tai Chi people (and others who have experienced the following):
> Would you consider standing for 45 minutes in what most people call
> "Horse Stance" to be "moderate" or "intense" exercise?  I know, it
> depends on how low you go (:-)....
> 

	It also depends on how efficiently you're standing. For the
horse stance, I've been taught at least 2 different ways, one of which
is much more stable, and requires less muscle strength (or so it seems
to me)
	I've seen the attitude that standing in a stance for X minutes
is supposed to be an exercise in willpower and muscle endurance. You
hold this uncomfortable and sometimes unnatural position as a means to
build up your body. But why can't it be an exercise in trying to find
the most efficient and economical way to use your body?
	It reminds me of a discussion I had with a friend last year ago.
He was jogging and doing it *really* inefficiently, and, since I'm
such a busybody about this stuff, I pointed out to him "You know, if you
kept your head up, and allowed your arms to swing naturally, it'd be
more efficient, and you wouldn't look so miserable."
	He replied that that the whole point was to burn calories, so
he WANTED to do it inefficiently. The more inefficient it was, the
more exercise he got out of it for a given period of time.
	I couldn't argue with that logic.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 17:18:59 EDT
From: Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: MA Tournament Announcement
 <1992Apr9.190947.9594@relay.nswc.navy.mil>


                       22nd Annual

       "American Invitational Karate Championship"

               Sponsored by Kim Studio's

                     June 6, 1992
                 11:00AM - 11:00 PM

Guest to Include:
-----------------

       Ki Whang Kim, Grandmaster, 9th
       S. Henry Cho, Grandmaster, 8th
       Jim Roberts, Sr., Grandmaster, 8th
       Joon Pyo Choi, Grandmaster, 8th
       Young Pyo Choi, Grandmaster, 8th

Special Interest:
-----------------

       Various Martial Arts Demonstrations
       *Possible demonstration by Sihan Felix Vasques, Ninjitsu Specialist


Awards:
-------
       THREE Grand Championship Awards

       1 - Black Belts - Men
       1 - Black Belts - Women
       1 - Black Belts - Forms


More Detailed Information:
--------------------------

       Kim Studio's
       Attn: American Invitational Coordinator
       1488 Rockville Pike, Suite F
       Rockville, Maryland  20852
       (301) 770-4464
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From: izar@shuldig.huji.ac.il (Izar Tarandach)
Subject: Re: Dougie Wougie
Reply-To: izar@cs.huji.ac.il
Organization: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:03:29 GMT

In article <43282@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
|> 
|> Doug, everyone knows that you're a spite-filled, bitter old man who just
|> loves to torment these young bucks.  Good fer you by cracky.
|> 
|> P.S. Let me take the baton: The likelihood that a 21-year-old American
|>      knows anything of substance about Chinese martial arts is basically
|>      nil.
|> 

	Well, without being picky, isn't time to move it to email ?
	Anyway, I was much surprised to read the justification for the handle
"Ninjam" - that account used to be of one of the editors of the Phrack Magazine,
and I was informed (strangely, by someone writing from that same account) that
he was recently killed in a car accident, and the writer was not the owner of
the account - I can attest that Ninjam (the "real" one) was not this ... errr...
kind of writer we see here.
	Besides, I had a nice discussion with Mr. Know All in personal email -
and I should I add, it is nice to see I am not the one thinking along some
rather aggressive lines around here. ;)
	But then, what should _I_ know ? I am only 23...worse,Brazilian!..;)

<deep bow>

--izar
From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:23:48 GMT


ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:

>One thing which no-one seems to have mentioned is guards. I can't understand
>the guards on japanese weapons. They seem to offer absolutely minimal
>protection. European weapons seem (to me) to be vastly superior 

   Actually, these guards are surely designed to prevent the user's own
   hand from slipping onto the blade by accident.  A European-style guard
   would probably just get in the way of the proper handling of the katana.  
   From my understanding of kenjutsu, one tries to avoid clashing of blades 
   anyway; if your opponent would have hit close enough to cut your hands, 
   it would have been a small matter to change the angle and slash your 
   wrists instead, thus making the handguard just extra baggage --

   my best guess,
     -- Ted --

==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:00:02 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Can anyone help?

twh73@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> Hi, I am writing an arguementative research paper for my english class.  Is
> there anyone out there that knows some good resources for argueing that the
> martial arts are good for a person physically.  I know that the arts are more
> than that, but I have to be specific for this paper.  Thankes

	Its kind of self-evident, isn't it?
	Stretching, calisthenics, training in the aerobic zone.

	If you need a book on the less physical aspects of MA, try
"Martial Meditations" by Daeshik (sp?) Kim and some other guy who's
name escapes me. They frame all kinds of MA type claims in
respectable academic language & style. The material is definitely
pro-traditional-MA, anti-sports.
	This book would probably be a good reference for research
paper type stuff. But, in my opinion, their arguments have lots of
blind spots and inconsistencies.
	The bibliography in Martial Meditations would be a good source
for sources ;-)

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 
Subject: Musashi Question
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:45:34 GMT


With the recent surge of post about Musashi, I have a question I was 
wondering if anyone could help me with...

Did Musashi have any children/offspring?

From what I was told by Japanese friends he did not.


But here's the reason I need concrete evidence.

A white caucasion male showed up in Milwaukee within the past year.
He says his name is Sabutai Musashi and that he is grandmaster of the
"Shoga" style ninjitsu system.  Now by taking one look at this style,
(and I have had opportunity to watch other styles of Ninjitsu),
it was easy to tell he was another good martial artist that threw
a bunch of ju-jutsu and karate together and called it ninjitsu
to make a fast buck.  Also by talking to him about his "ninpo 
philosophies" and the basic differences beetween his and other
ninjitsu systems.  (which could have been gotten from any book
on the market, because his answers show no real insight, and as 
a general rule from what I've seen most clans know of their common
past history and link).  I've also been told that he changes
his name every other week.

Now here's the catch that also totally convinced me that this guy
is a fraud.  Supposedly his Shoga system (by the way, he's only in
his mid to early 30's and he's allready a grandmaster in a supposedly
fully ranked system?), was started by Miyamoto Musashi's son.
It went thru 33 generations and everyone in the clan was 
convienently(sp?) killed by the bomb on Nagasaki.

EXCEPT.....

One lone survivor of the clan who came to California and happened
to adopt an inquisitive young 12 year old whom he met at one of his
seminars.
And now this fully grown Sabutai Musashi just happened to pick
Milwaukee out of all the places in the US or the world for that
matter, to share his dying art as the "last of the shoga clan".


This totally sounds like a cheezy Canon films movie (Staring 
Sho Kosugi as the lone survivor of the Atomic blast and Shoga Klan,
and Jean Claude Van Damme as the adopted heir and wonderkid).

What I'd like to be able to do is get somewhere in ACTUALL print
by a REPUTABLE source, that Musashi had NO KIDS.

Any help would be gretly appreciated.  It's people like this that
made me choose "Ninja Master" as a handle in the first place.


Marty
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:51:23 GMT
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Nevertheless, I believe that the consensus is that Musashi was
defeated only once in his life - by Muso Gonnosuke. Musashi
did write something of a biographical sketch in "The 5 Rings".

Harrison (pg 101) reports that someone defeated Musashi with
a paper fan. (Reporting from pg 391 of Secrets of the Samuari).
This is probably ancedotal.

 
---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:01:00 GMT

karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:

>against a katana, is that the katana can typically cut through the
>alloys used to make other weapons, as well as any armor someone might
>be wearing.  Shock-jackets (bullet proof vests that stop high-
>powered rifle shells, even .475 supermagnums) are probably the only
>personal armor that would stop a katana.

Is this verified in practice?  Have any katana been tested against Kevlar or
Spectra? For that matter, how much steel can one be driven through.  
There are some *very* hard alloys out there.  Could a katana cut through,
say an engine block?  Enquiring minds want to know.

cheers,
-gb-
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Flame?
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:54:39 GMT

In case anyone was confused, I and Doug Cohen (at least last I
checked-yesterday) are good friends, even though we have met only once and
typically communicate by email.  I am rather appalled that some of you morons
didn't understand that given the intro (obviously joking) to my post about
returned mail.  Although I was sorely tempted to post the address of the
person who sent me the mail below, I just thought I would comment that I think
it was uncalled for.

				*****

>Fuck you!

>Don't flame on the net, it's a waste of bandwidth.
>If you must, then use e-mail.


>But fuck you anyway!





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From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read. (Barfing Dragons?)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:18:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr14.024441.24012@wam.umd.edu> beawoulf@wam.umd.edu writes:
> Your opponent might, as improbable as it sounds, do something to  
>surprise you, like successfully blocking your "unblockable" barfing dragon  
>punch (tm).

Gee, you're too late to TM that punch.  There's one in Ba Gua called
"Dragon Vomits Up the Book of Knowledge" (I think)...

>Unless you can make a perfect fist without thinking about it, use  
>knifehand and base palm strikes.

Hmmm, if you can't make a fist without hurting yourself, you'll most
likely break your pinkie using a knife-hand, and not get as much bang
for the buck, either, IMHO.  Palm strikes are good against the hard
parts of the body...

D

-- 
========================================================================
Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Aikido teaching styles
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:34:27 GMT


kjones@src.dec.com (Kevin Jones) writes:

>Since many of the schools that try to teach the principles of Aikido
>and practice them in a form that certainly differs from O'Sensei's Budo days
>are associated with Tohei Sensei, I claim very strongly that your assumption 
>is not true in these cases. 

  Actually, I wasn't thinking at all about his schools, and have no 
  experience whatsoever with them.  Given that your goals for Aikido are
  probably very different from mine, you should not feel that I am in any 
  way questioning your approach.  I think I'll just leave it at that.


>I find the connotations of the term "new age touchy-feely" mildly insulting 

  Yes, I agree, and I apologise for it.  I think I grabbed the term from
  someone else, and threw it into the article.  

  All I had intended to say is that reaching the "ultimate stage" of 
  Aikido is a long hard road, and that it is misguided of a teacher to 
  try to teach this stage too quickly. "New age touchy-feely" was intended
  to describe someone right off the street who wanted this stage immediately
  without really working for it, resulting in a clueless Aikidoka.  
  Since I don't know what Tohei Sensei teaches, I can hardly accuse him of
  doing this !


>the same way as there are students of Chiba Sensei who teach nothing but a
>rather brutal form of "wrestling" 

  Now that you mention it, I probably shouldn't be using Chiba's name 
  without having first-hand experience with him.  He'll be at a seminar
  in Northhampton MA in Sept., I'll probably go.  I may discover that his
  Aikido is not at all what I like . . to "external" ;-)
  

==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
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From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: what do you do
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:59:47 GMT

wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>In article <barry.703306337@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>>(He has just informed you of this fact, and has cocked his right fist 
>>behind his ear. :^)  Here comes the punch, what will you do?
>>	Time for atemi... (Hey, just like TKD!! ;^) 

>	Time for hiji-otosh.  Or maki-otosh.  Or Osoto-makikomi.
>(Whoops, that's judo... :-) 

>	In fact, there are a dozen aikido techniques that are
>appropriate here...

	Let's pick one: hiji-otosh.  Please explain what this is in
English.  I know this is hard, but please try because I'd like to 
know :^)

	Thanks,

		Barry.


 _____________________________________________________________________
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| Fax:   +61 7 365 4399     | The University of Queensland \|   __\   |
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From: beawoulf@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Yilmaz W. Rona)
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Reply-To: beawoulf@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:59:05 GMT

Mary Malmros writes
> 
> Seriously...we wear belts at all ranks, but it's pretty common for
> the top to come undone, start falling off the shoulders, etc. during
> a vigorous workout (or even a not-so-vigorous workout...mass-produced
> jammies aren't known for their good fit).  Some women wear t-shirts, 
> but most of us just wear a jogbra or something like that and let it
> all hang out.  I've never heard the guys comment, so I assume they're
> all either oblivious, blase, polite, or intimidated.  ;-)
> 
> Oh, Yiiiiiiiiilllllmaaaaaaaazzzzzz????  Care to comment?
> --

If we let you know we notice, then you gals will stop wearing such revealing  
outfits. we are certainly not oblivious, or  well, I am not oblivious. Maybe  
that's why I'm climbing the promotion ladder so much slower than everyone else  
because I'm the only person who isn't oblivious :-)

I think a major ice-breaker that led to a friendship between Maria and myself  
was the time when she and I were paired for combinations, and my roundhouse  
kick was just getting to be the same height as her um ... tracts of land, and I  
kept making light contact... ;-)

					Yilmaz Rona
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From: Dakin Burdick <burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:11:46 -0500

In article <92101.171114U58294@uicvm.uic.edu> Yvonne A. McLean <U58294@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Guys, the funniest is real life.  Some of the best laugh I get is watching guys
> reactions to a groin hit.  I once accidentally hit my boyfriend in the groin,
>he hit the wall, rolled from one end of a king size bed to the end, hit the flo
>or.  I did not stop laughing for the entire night.

Ha, ha.  Guys, if your female friends are getting a big yuk out of
booting you in the family jewels, don't despair!  Women hurt if you
kick them in the groin too, so you can do it right back.  Instead of 
coming up between the legs, just come straight in at the abdomen and
whack them in the pubic bone.  Now the whole family can enjoy intense
pain between the legs!

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Injuries?
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:22:28 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


Basically, the title says it all.
I have two injuries.  The first one is a recurring groin strain, I 
have been using Feldene Gel which works wonders, but the problem 
is that it just keeps coming back a few weeks later.  Right, the 
second one is that I recently got the cast off my arm from a 
midshaft break of the ulna, (the forearm bone following from the
little finger), and I want to get the arm as strong as possible
as soon as possible.

Any suggestions or net.wisdom???

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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:57:31 GMT


alright everyone, repeat after me:

bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god
bruce lee is dead!	he is/was no god


steven seagal on the other hand...
From: upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: fa jings
Keywords: Crunch, Break, Ow!
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:28:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.scud7INN76g
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <2723@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <s5u4uINNi80@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>You get the opponent all twisted up, then break the right wrist, elbow,
>>shoulder, left ankle and knee with a single fa jing.
>
>	What's a fa jing?  ("Oh, about $2.20 an hour..." :-)

Roughly, "explosive release of power".

Jing is one of those Chinese internal arts concepts, roughly meaning
"alive energy", to be differentiated from li, "brute strength" or dead energy.

There are dozens of different kinds of jing.  With fa jing, you coil up
as much tension in your body as your ability permits, and then discharge it
all as close to instantaneously as your ability permits.

Imagine if, say, Dakin :-) were holding your wrist tightly with both hands
and you were trying to yank it away from him.  And your life depended on it.
That sort of energy, but in the other direction.
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