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From: pierson@aludra.usc.edu (Steve Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin
Subject: Looking For Code...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:06:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

What are the most recent versions of MUSH code out there?  I have been
off the net a while, so I'm out of date by about 6-8 months.  And not
just one version of MUSH code...Pern 1...Pern 2.0...PennMUSH...Anything...

Also...are there any versions of ANY MU* that use C++ or other OO lang?

Steve Pierce...The Audio Merc.
pierson@usc.edu

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From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 

From: mcihael.armstrong@homebase.com

SS>In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Mich
  >Armstrong) writes:

MA>I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.

SS>Yeah, and while you're at it, find a couple of heretics and burn em at the
  >stake to make up for your sins.

Let's get serious folks and keep the religious hate mail to minimal
which I have been getting.  I was upset that the guy that planted the
virus on FurryMUCK as well.

The guy wants to keep his belief serious he should keep to them.  I was
trying to get those others involved exposed.  It wasn't Christlike to
trash FurryMUCK and I appose to having my faith attributed to this
action.

I'm just as tired of those politicial rightwing fanatics that use
religion as a front for their actions.  I rather they left the church
out of their speeches. Throughout the ages, people have used religion
for political ends. Modern examples like Iranian fundimentalists prove
this.

To those who didn't like my post, hey that free speech.  Remember, it's
'freedom OF religion' not 'freedom FROM religion.'  If I have the option
of turning off what I don't like, so you all of you.  I don't jump all
over stuff because it rubs against my faith.  Okay?!

You don't like this just hit return for next message.
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:08:25 GMT

In article <420.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) writes:
> I'm just as tired of those politicial rightwing fanatics that use
> religion as a front for their actions.

As opposed to the right wing religious fanatics that use politics as a front
for their actions? Extremism in the pursuit of virtue is no virtue.
-- 
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From: mgreeny@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Greeny)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Organization: Greeny's Bar & Grill
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:44:32 GMT

>In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) writes:

>>I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.

Oh great... I purposely UNSUBSCRIBE to the religious lists to avoid just
this sort of crapola and where do I find it -- but in the news.admin.*
lists...

Leave Christ out of it, and in the Church or your own mind where "he"
belongs....

(an no, I'm not christian, I'm an agnostic Jew...)

route flames to /dev/null or someplace else that you find relevant...
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From: pariah@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael Malone)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: What rights do people want?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 05:00:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1


>1. Right not to be snooped or logged without their knowledge and consent.
>2. Right not to be harassed by other players.
>3. Right to have their characters restored from a recent backup if damaged,
>   and to have losses made good where possible.
>4. Right to know the standards of ethical behavior generally.

What about
5. The right of the admin to determine what is acceptable on a
   mu* that s/he has established ?

>1. Right not to be snooped or logged without their knowledge and consent.
Dick is cheating, so Dora the God has to inform him that he is being
checked up upon ?

>2. Right not to be harassed by other players.
My heart bleeds. If a big boy picks on you in that other real world,
do you ask the admin to fix it for you ? Fight you own battles, or
if you have some friends (hmm ?) then do something about it.

>3. Right to have their characters restored from a recent backup if damaged,
>   and to have losses made good where possible.
Having adminned muds with 1000+ players for some years, I find this
a ridiculous prospect. I let it be known that if there is a crash,
bad luck. Save often, and learn from experience.

>4. Right to know the standards of ethical behavior generally.
Ask. Learn.

What is wrong with a basic assumption that you are "in someone
else's house", and need to respect that? I treat players "fairly"
but this is based upon my definition of fairness. There are many
many mu* out there, one of which is bound to meet your exceptionally
high standard. I see no reason to write down a lengthy document
which could be stated as "Be nice".

Up the revolution
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Transcript..etc..etc...etc...
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:58:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.202500.10101@ac.dal.ca> cossett@ac.dal.ca writes:
>      These rules were ENFORCED by the moderator and members had there speech
>ability taken away (at least that is what it sounded like in the BIG post) so
>only those whose turn it was could speak. This was FORCED on the people that
>had wanted to disuss even these rules.....
>     Why was it done? Easy, neccessity! Anarchy would have reigned and less
>than nothing would have been accomplished. The conference just proves that you
>need to have at least one person who is in charge and that the so called
>rights of a player can be circumvented for the good of the game. This person,
>or persons, NEEDS power to back up the rules and to investigate ANY allegations
>of wrongdoing. It's that simple, as your conference proved. Without the final
>arbiter nothing can really happen.

However, many cases of questionable ethics aren't like this.  The moderator
example shows that some rules help, yes, but how many complainers about wizard
abuse really want _no_ rules?  I suspect most would complain about biased
rules, or irregularly enforced rules, rather than the mere existence of rules.
An example that just points out that sometimes we need rules is really only
relevant to those who want no rules, of which I've seen few.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: pierson@girtab.usc.edu (Steve Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin
Subject: Re: Looking For Code...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:14:37 -0800
Organization: Troyian Data Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <C0rD2D.A8t@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen White) writes:
>
>> Also...are there any versions of ANY MU* that use C++ or other OO lang?
>
>It isn't clear if you're talking about the language that the MUD server
>is written in, or the "extension" language which you can use on-line to
>program objects in the MUD.  I don't know of any servers that are written
>in C++, but there may be some.

I was talking about the language the server is written in...The ones I've seen
are in C, but it's about time that someone writes one in C++ 

(I would/will if time becomes available)

Given the object-oriented of a MUSH (all my expierence is in MUSH) it would
be much easier to use C++.  Not only would it clean up the code, you could also
add new commands/object types/almost anything with great ease

And if you use GCC 2.3.3  You can use some objective-C++ for the total OOP
expierence...

>Servers that have object-oriented "extension" languages include LP (which
>uses LP-C), MOO and COOLMUD (the latter two of which I'm to blame for :).
>COOLMUD has multiple inheritance, and is distributed, ie., objects on
>different servers can communicate.

I'd like more info on MOO and COOLMUD.  Email me more...

Steve Pierce
pierson@usc.edu

The opinions expressed above DO represent the opinions of my employer, as I 
work for my self...

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From: trsnyder@mcs.drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:02:09 GMT
	<1993Jan6.184135.11041@oz.plymouth.edu> <1985@frackit.UUCP>
Followup-To: poster
Organization: ASCI

In article <1985@frackit.UUCP> dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:

   From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
   Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.furry
   Date: 8 Jan 93 21:29:40 GMT
   Followup-To: rec.games.mud
   Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.
   Lines: 29

[...]

   And what does ANY of this foolishness have to do with news.admin.policy?
   Followups-OUTTA here....... again. 

If you're going to redirect followups, how about doing it to a group that
officially exists?  rec.games.mud.admin is already in the Newsgroups line.
Redirect to that. :-)

[Followups to me about the followups, unless it's real important. :-)]

Bob
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Lunacy from Dave Van Domelen (Was: Re: User Rights Camps)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:22:16 GMT

In article <C0qAny.6H5@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>>New wizzes who have few players and little experience versus those who
>>KNOW that if you set up a silly system of rules, two things happen: MUD
>>lawyers emerge who interpret the rules in ways they were never meant to be
>>interpreted, and two, situations inevitably arise not covered by the
>>rules.  In situation two, the MUD lawyers of situation one have a field
>>day screaming "wiz abuse" when you implement a rule of thumb to cover the
>>situation not covered in the official Roolz.
>
>
>Let me interrupt a second.
>
>At least some wizards, Joel, with many players and much experience, got
>this whole thing going, and have stated several times that they are not
>interested in a hard-to-enforce "silly" system of rules.  You and many
>of the other players in this discussion can't get this through your heads,
>or keep beating the straw man because the aim of this discussion does
>not sit well with your entrenched positions.

Well, Jim, since on ONE side, we have idiots like "Thyagi Morgoth Siva"
who seem to think that MUDs are cyberenvironments akin to touchy-feely
amusement parks, and on the other side, we have people like Xibo who don't
give a fuck what the players think if they can't deal with the way they
run their MUDs, my choice of a side is clear.  

I've offered up twice now my concept of what sort of MUD policy I'd
suggest passing around for signature.  It's limited.  For good reasons. 
Complex "policies" are subject to misinterpretation and abuse by the
people who feel most strongly that they have a right to shit in your
garden.  Hence I go for a "policy" that sounds like "we try to be fair. 
if you disagree with our definition of fair, consult our posted on-line
rules.  if you can't make heads or tails of those, or find them lacking,
ask.  if you still feel unease, bail."  It's Very Simple, Jim. 
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From: scott@glia.biostr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:46:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iv065INN9ml
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu
Originator: scott@glia

mho@stacken.kth.se (Magnus Holmberg) writes:

>I don't think the FAQ can be said to hold much of 'universally
>acceptance', as it seems to me to be heavilly skewed towards the
>Tiny* side (ie, not much of it is relevant to a Diku:-)).

I gladly invite anyone who believes the current FAQL is skewed (to any
viewpoint) to submit a proposed FAQL to me, which, if I feel is
reasonable, I will run in parallel with Jennifer Smith's FAQL.

Scott
moderator, rec.games.mud.announce


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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:29:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.mud
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1993Jan6.184135.11041@oz.plymouth.edu>, j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu (Axl) writes:
 > In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
 > >
 > >This does me alot diservice since I am a Christian.  You have tarnished
 > >my testimony and value of my faith as well as yours.  I find some
 > >conflicting parts to your statement that you say that TWO people are
 > >involved yet change it later.  You seem to be looking for a way out yet
 > >not taking full responsibilities for your actions by hiding behind a
 > >veil of Christianity.
 > >
 > >I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.
 > >
 > >       "Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes
 > >        an enemy of God." -- James 4:4b NIV
 > >
 > 
 > 	Geez, just what we need, a 'fundie'.  And just how does the
 > so-called Christian Faith have anything to do with a virus on a mud?  

And what does ANY of this foolishness have to do with news.admin.policy?
Followups-OUTTA here....... again. 



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From: foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Organization: Fuzzball Software and Graphic Arts
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:14:34 GMT

michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
>
>The guy who planted the virus admited to being a Christian in his post.
>He did post that on the above newsgroups so I replied to get him to go
>further than just apologize for doing it.  I hope that security can be
>tighten so events like this can be less possible because of him
>supplying information to sysadmin.
>


Said person, at the time of his OWN appology post, had ALREADY talked to
the admins on the site where the offences took place.  The security has
already been updated, due to the comments in the original log post the
offenders made.  The matter has been, and is being taken care of.  There-
fore, the matter is closed.  It doesn't need rehashing.  So let's drop it.

	- Revar/Foxen


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From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:10:05 GMT

In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) writes:

>I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.

Yeah, and while you're at it, find a couple of heretics and burn em at the
stake to make up for your sins.
-- 
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I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:56:47 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan6.184135.11041@oz.plymouth.edu>, j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu (Axl) writes:
> In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
> 	Geez, just what we need, a 'fundie'.  And just how does the
> so-called Christian Faith have anything to do with a virus on a mud?  

Well, actually, this particular fundie was the one who wrote a program to sweep
the database to remove the program calls to the virus after it was located. 
(For the record, my first pass was botched, but IronThoughts made a backup
before we tried out my program, thank God, and I got it right the second time. 
Greywolf's programs are hardly well-known for being bug-free...)

So, I'm not too happy at having some guy claiming to be a Christian being
responsible for the virus, either.  And, for the record, I don't advocate
burning heretics.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
From: tarod@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:10:39 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan6.181005.6323@leland.Stanford.EDU>, whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:
> In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) writes:
> 
>>I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.
> 
> Yeah, and while you're at it, find a couple of heretics and burn em at the
> stake to make up for your sins.
> -- 

Jesus H. The _last_ thing we need on r.g.m.* is a religion discussion. Stop
sanctimoniously sanctifying the bandwidth and mail each other psalms or
something. Isn't there a newsgroup for religious debates? Take it there.

This topic is thoroughly dead. Mail the perpetrators (they gave their
addresses) if you're so inclined.

If you read the rest of the postings on the subject, you'll find that Joel Furr
had nothing whatever to do with the making of the logs, and even said he was
disgusted by them. Joel just loves to waste bandwidth and crosspost everything
in sight -- he spams my newsreader and one of my mailing lists often. ;)

Flames to dev/null please.
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From: j_herlih@oz.plymouth.edu (Axl)
Subject: Re: Quicksilver virus on furry Muck -- solved!
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:41:35 GMT

In article <412.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
>
>This does me alot diservice since I am a Christian.  You have tarnished
>my testimony and value of my faith as well as yours.  I find some
>conflicting parts to your statement that you say that TWO people are
>involved yet change it later.  You seem to be looking for a way out yet
>not taking full responsibilities for your actions by hiding behind a
>veil of Christianity.
>
>I implore you in the name of Christ to make amends for your deeds.
>
>       "Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes
>        an enemy of God." -- James 4:4b NIV
>

	Geez, just what we need, a 'fundie'.  And just how does the
so-called Christian Faith have anything to do with a virus on a mud?  
--
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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: MUCK Virus? What happened?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:18:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.priss.726866300
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1993Jan12.181325.21413@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> coram@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Chaosmage) writes:

>Also, how would one CHECK for a MUF virus?  I don't care how it worked;
>I'm better off NOT knowing that.  But I've been given the project of making
>a MUF security program that will, among other things, check for such a
>critter.  And I'd welcome any information anyone could give me that would
>aid me in that task.

I think all MUF Wizards should remember this just in case.  Check for any
program does does ant 'setdesc' or 'newexit' on a person.  Since most virus
type programs require the unwittingly user to activate it (A trap), @desc type
viruses tend to be highly used since it latches onto a desc, bumping the
original desc into a property.  When a person has it, they will not know it
because a person looking at you will pick it up, only seeing your desc.  Of
the two I have seen, one failed to recognize @desc programs and the other one
managed to recognize @desc programs, but slapped on exits linked to the program
on the person and on some of their objects to help spread it.  MUF wizards on
FB type servers should not allow M3 bits to all users asking, (Since this is
how it got so bad on Furry)  And most MUF wizards should over see programs
to avoid odd things like a person doing an @wall like program subtly.

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