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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Re: Pern and the FSP
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:23:14 GMT

Here's a little quote for you:

"They [Admiral Benden and Governor Boll] looked at each other and then
began the formal words in an obviously well rehearsed unison.
'By the power vested in us by the Federated Sentient Planets, we
hereby claim this planet and name it Pern!'" (_Dragonsdawn_ 37)

That solves it for me. :)
-Shandra
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:17:43 GMT

In <92Dec11.205102.19814@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

>Sigh... I was bored one day.
>grep th$ /usr/dict/words
>(suggestions on the ones I couldn't come up with anything for welcome)

Joshua, you've outdone yourself!  Wow!

>Keith		- Locksmith's brother?


Eilidh Swan
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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: Pern/FSP and dragon names
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:24:00 +0000


In article <1992Dec11.172250.15861@mail.cornell.edu>, evs1@cornell.edu (Erik S-
chwiebert) writes:
>hmmmm... where did FSP and Pern get linked?  I must admit i have not read
>all of the fsp books, but i have read all of Pern, and i cant remember a
>reference to the fsp anywhere... 

In Dragonsdawn chapter 1 it is stated that the Pern expedition is made
up of people who wanted to leave the high-tech societies of the
Federated Sentient Planets.  The colonists were also working from
information supplied by an EEC team. 

Peter.



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 *   *    Peter Boulter                    |of great joy... for to you is
  ***     ---------------------------------|born this day in the city of
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From: jpatters@willamette.edu (Jane Patterson)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Keywords: more more more!
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:52:38 GMT


How about Troth - the dragon into committment...


-- 
     -=-Jane Elizabeth Patterson-=-Art History/Computer Science-=-
  She made good - with a plunging neckline and the morals of a tigress

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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:08:58 GMT

In article <92Dec11.205102.19814@acs.ucalgary.ca> 
jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
J'sh was bored. I'm procrastinating.;-)

My comments are in <>'s
>Edith		-  <Another poet>
...
>Froth		- Angry, angry, angry <How about likes to surf?>
...
>Hollerith	- A contemporary writer <This is F'gon's brown's name.>
...
>Mirth		- Supposedly has a sense of humor <This is Gwyneth's gold.>
...
>Moth		- Into glowglobes <L'thar's green...>
...
>Naturopath	-  <Likes the forests.>
...
>Path		- On the right track <Mirrim's green>
...
>Wrath		- Ditto <Should be angry, not ephemeral...>
...
>Wyeth		- A painter <Triani's blue...>
...
>Zenith		- Always flying overhead <Also, Joith's rider's brith name.>
...

-Doriana

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: redey@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rita Dey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Most bizarre cross posting ever.
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:09:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <724624283snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>I'm disagreeing politely, while respecting your right to your opinion.
>
>I agree that doing stuff which crosses universes is not usually very
>productive.  However, what we've been discussing is whether Pern is in
>the *same* universe as other series by Anne McCaffrey.  There is a body
>of evidence to suggest that there *is* a connection - paricularly the
>names of the organisations - and very little evidence that they are
>seperate.  Remember that in the introductions to the Pern books it
>states clearly that it is set in an SF universe, *not* some mediaeval or
>fantasy alternate.
>
>Having decided tentatively that Pern, the Planet Pirates series, Crystal
>Singer, and the Brain / Brawn ships are all in the same universe, we
>have since been discussing how they might fit together into a timeline.
>
>This exercise is *not* the same as combining two or more totally
>unrelated series - SW, ST, etc. do not exist in Anne's books...
>

In the new book by Anne McCaffrey, _Crystal_Line_, there is incontrivable proof
that the Crystal Singer and brain/brawn ships, at least, are in the same 
universe since Killishandra Ree and her lover whose name I can't recall but is
the same person that she met in the book _Killishandra_, RIDE in a Brain/Brawn
ship, althought the "brawn" was sick at the time.


It woudn't surprise me if the other series were connected as well


Just my humble opinion...

-Rita Dey

(by the way,  this is my first time posting here :)   )

redey@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
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From: annako@microsoft.com (Anna Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: Weyrleaders, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:40:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec10.155416.16227@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> jmars@mta.ca writes:
>That satisfies me. :-) Now, about this showing your dragon your
>preference... hmmm... so many bronzeriders...

     :briefly contemplates the chaos that would result on the PernMUSH if
every gold flight actually DID determine the Weyrleadership, and all of the
bronzeriders had to earn their keep by taking a crack at being Weyrleader
every once in a while.
     :ducks, before the rest of the bronzeriders can thwap him one. And
blithely ignores Shandra looking around.

     :-)

F'hlan, bronze Tzornth's rider, Benden Weyr, PernMUSH

-- 
Angela Sh'k'anna Korra'ti | opinions.me != opinions.Microsoft
annako@microsoft.com      | -------------------------------------------------
Rillwhisper@TwoMoonsMUSH  | ** What say we feed this misbegotten human his
F'hlan@PernMUSH           | liver? ** - Strongbow of the Wolfriders, sort of.
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Where did the FSP and Pern get connected?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:00:08 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec15.030927.4263@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, wolfe@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> 
>    Well, if we consider not only the 'Sassinak' series, bt the Crystal Singer
>    books as well, we can gauge the tone of the two book sets in the following
>    manner:

Pardon my ignorance, but...which books are the Sassinak series?

I've been neglectful of AM outside a couple of series...not enough time to
read everything anymore (obviously; I'm too busy writing to read :)
 
>   Logically from this, you could 
>   deduce that since Pern has been populated by humans for quite some time
>   (Well over a Millenia) that it is unlikely that Sassinak and 10 pass Pern
>   are concurrant.

Regarding how long Pern was colonized...I've just got my copy of ATWOP and I'm
in the middle of it (I got my Pern fix! :) :) :) ). I remember they keep
talking about "2000 years, 2000 years" since the colonization. In fact...in
the Prologue it says that Aivas had been there for 2525 years (I just checked).
And it's 9th Pass, not 10th (minor quibble).

Not having read one of the series about FSP, my opinion is suspect, but I'd
agree that Pern was probably colonized early in its history (colonists seem
to be close to early Earth history). Would that put present-day Pern
contemporary to Killashandra?

--Semhaza
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From: ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang)
Subject: Re: Rumors
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:15:21 GMT

>In the books, it's made quite clear that a dragon mating does mean the two
>riders involved have sex.  Whether they decide to go beyond that and have a 
>weyrmate relationship is up to the riders involved.  All of the riders in the
>books are male except for the goldriders and Mirrim.  Therefore when a green 
>rises, the green and the dragon who catches her mate and the 2 male riders mate
>When two men have sex with either other, they are either bi or gay.  Yes, I
>would still call a rider bi who only has sex with other men only in mating 
>flights.  The term bi covers a wide range.

 Considering the number of greens there are in a weyr, that seems like a
larger proportion than 10 %, and no mention of bisexuality is mentioned
in Crafthalls and Holds, is there ?

-----
	Lady K
 A ripple of laughter drifts to your ears ... and is cut off abruptly as
the door to the Ivory Tower slams shut.
-----
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From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:35:51 GMT

>Good question... but you're assuming that lots of firelizards don't die
>*between*.  In (fictional) fact, they probably do.  Back in DragonsDawn,
>it was mentioned that the metabolizm of both firelizards ("dragonettes")
>and even dragons is such that they will not die of old age.
>
Dragons, unlike FL's, do age. And it may be possible that they die of
old age. There is the case of the bronze that died of a heart attack
during a mating flight.

>So think...  There's lots of firelizards born on every warm beach on Pern
>for millenia, but none of them die of old age.  Some die before hatching,
>some shortly after.  Some die fighting thread (a natural instinct).  Some
>will have accidents, but that leaves all the rest of them to die of some
>other cause... and perhaps this lack of oiling answers for that.
>
Actually, once again, Anne is inconsistant. During the hatching in the cave 
that Meolly was in, the FL hatchlings flew off into thread searching for food. 
However, in many other FL hatchings, the hatchlings turned on each other such
that few lived through the hatchling.

Having skin crack and thus causing death when a FL went between would be a
major evolutionary disadvantage. One would expect that natual selection would 
in time give raise to an FL whose skin did not crack.

IMHO, the major reason that FL's that impressed humans need their skin oiled 
was becasue it contributed to the story line.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Thread parasites
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:23:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: Zebedees parasites

In article <1992Dec16.060828.10959@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
[snip]
>Why were there Long Intervals only immediately after the
>zebedees were planted?
[snip]

The Operation Overkill was two-fold, for a reason.

The orbit of the Red Planet needed to be gradually altered.
However, simply altering its path would not stop the Thread
spores already in its cometary trail (tracing their own orbit).
The zeebedees were used to infect one 'batch' of spores, wiping
out the Thread in the cometary trail and halo around the planet. 

The subsequent pass would allow the Red Planet to pick up a 'pure',
uninfected batch of spores from the Oort cloud (more likely a
Kupier belt of some sort, with a 250 Turn orbit), which would
then be infected by the zeebedees... but enough would survive to
attack Pern.

By the third assault, in the 9th pass, the orbit of the Red
Planet was altered enough that it should never pass close enough
to Pern for its tail and halo to allow Thread to reach Pern. The
zeebedees would kill any Thread spores still around, preventing a
10th pass. Meanwhile, any zeebedees that had made a foothold in
the Oort cloud would become part of that ecosystem.

It bugged me that no-one blinked when Aivas said some Oort cloud
life in the system could be intelligent. Rather like spraying DDT
to wipe out locusts, and wiping a few villages in the process.

Joshua
|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
|                                                                            |
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From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: WANTED: People to populate New Pern
Date: 12 Dec 1992 07:09:46 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergraduate Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH, 44106, USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: marina.scl.cwru.edu

katala@glia.biostr.washington.edu () writes:
>
> I am in need of people to begin work on the Weyr , which will be Telgar
> first. 

	Aiiiiieee! NOT TELGAR!!!!

	:has hideous flashbacks to The Meeting between PernMUSH and
TinyTIM "There is only one Telgar! How can you claim to come in friendship
when you are tearing our Weyr from us and replacing it with a SHAM??"

	Please, have mercy on us and come up with an original name
for the Weyr. Pretty, pretty please? :looks about wildly as if expecting 
to be jumped any minute....

	Oh, and don't forget to add MUSH: to you posts, so we don't peeve
off the non-MUSHer out there. They like to be able to csreen them out. :)

--
						| Heather "Moose" Garvey
	"CHAD BLUNT, the BALL carrier!"		| Biochemistry - CWRU '93
		-- The entire band after 	| <hlg@po.cwru.edu>
		   any given running play	| "Wooooooah, PIZZA!"
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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: PernMUSH: 'Twas the Night Before Christmas...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:33:43 GMT

In article <92348.180640JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>'Twas the Night Before Christmas -- PernMUSH style!
>                    by Varoni
>Away to the steps we all shot like a gun

um...  the last gun was a form of rock-disintegrator, the last of which 
probably got buried somewhere in the way-way-way-back crevices of Fort.

:)

--
dart
aka Miranda on PernMUSH
aka Jatel on DragonsDawn
et al.
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From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Vincent J. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Another Pern book
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:12:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>AFRA! *bounce*
>NEXT PERN BOOK? *bouncity-bounce*
>DAMIA'S CHILDREN? *bouncy-bouncy-bouncy-bouncy fuwfunfunfunfun!*
>
    Hmmmm. I wonder if she'll take the first hundred pages of the new
Damia book to recap the events of Damia? I certain hope not, as I
despise buying a book that just tells me the same damn things as
a previous book.
    As for a new Pern book, I have little hope: chances are it will
be a silly tie in with one of her other series. I think I am rather
jaded on McCaffrey now...I sorta wish she would stop writing for
a while and think up some better ideas. I found Damia to be so
similar to The Rowan that I really hated both. Oh well. 

-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Dragon rider names 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:21:50 +0000

In article <BzAv3J.8AI@newcastle.ac.uk> Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

>So a non-contractable name is either a) A badge of holder rank.
>                                     b) An imitation of (a)
>                                     c) A parental anti-dragon statement
>                                     d) Another Anne mistake... 8)

Well, (d) is always a possibility <g>.

I think that in the long Interval between 8th and 9th Passes the custom
of naming your child so that the name could be contracted died out,
because there were very few who were Searched, and many of the Holders
and some of the Crafts became anti-Weyr (c).

I'd thought this about Robinton and Fandarel (as names - I wasn't
expecting them to become riders <g>), and came to the conclusion that
the names would be shortened or modified considerably when they didn't
fit.  Possibly something like R'nton, and F'darel.  What you do with
Groghe, though <g>...

Just my thoughts...

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From: kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (keith farmer;S10000)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Another Dragon name...
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:14:06 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

Broth -- the chicken dragon

Also, telnet sites...
Pern, Old -- freya.arc.nasa.gov 4201
Pern, New -- pern.pc.cs.cmu.edu 8888
SouCon    -- kyriath.cygnus.com 4201

...approximately, and no, I don't know the ###.###.### form...

Konnel

h
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Thread parasites (spoiler potential)
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:31:08 GMT

In article 22875@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov, laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
> >I caught this too when I was reading All the Weyrs of Pern - I don't have
> >the exact references since my copy's out on loan. But towards the end
> >there was some imagery of the red star constantly sowing death into the
> >Oort cloud - and turning into the reverse of the original red star.
> 
> Yes, but my question is why _*didn't*_ it continue to sow death into the 
> Oort Cloud? The zebedees were planted, killing enough of the thread organisms
> off to result in Long Intervals (according to AIVAS). The Long Intervals did
> not continue, so what happened to lessen the effect of the zebedees?
> 
> -grl.
> -----
> 


the Oort cloud is huge and AIVAS even said that the timing of the seeding and 
explosions were necessary to sufficiently change orbit. remember that the red planet 
after the first 2 was off course but not at maximum potential. 
i suggesst re-reading that chapter. i thought it was very explicit.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------

   	


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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Rumors
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:23:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.021521.5574@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang) writes:
> Considering the number of greens there are in a weyr, that seems like a
>larger proportion than 10 %, and no mention of bisexuality is mentioned
>in Crafthalls and Holds, is there ?

Considering the small percentage of the total population that lives in the
Weyrs, it actually seems like a smaller proportion than 10%. I'd wager that
most people who discover sexual feelings towards their own gender make their
way to the Weyrs, leaving the Holds and Halls relatively free of 'weyr morals'.

-Doriana

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Pern/FSP and dragon names
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17: 29:29 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:22:50 GMT

In article <724021110snz@keris.demon.co.uk> Chris Croughton,
chris@keris.demon.co.uk writes:
>Apparently, at the World Fantasy Con last month, as well as in several
>private conversations...  Of course, that doesn't mean it's set in stone
>- remember when she said that she would never tie Pern in with her FSP
>universe?  

hmmmm... where did FSP and Pern get linked?  I must admit i have not read
all of the fsp books, but i have read all of Pern, and i cant remember a
reference to the fsp anywhere... 

On another question:  does anyone have a theory or evidence as to why
dragon names all end in "-th"...?
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Subject: Anne's email and other dumb q's
From: shagstr@eis.calstate.edu (Shirley Hagstrom)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:59:47 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
From: John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Thread parasites (spoiler potential)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:25:01 EST
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:

> patch. Stands to reason then that, unless the effectiveness of the Zebedees
> wanes with time (mutation?), any thread arriving with the Red Planet subseque
> to the first seeding would be DOA. Why would the pass following the seeding n
> have thread, implying that the thread around the planet and in its path have
> been destroyed, but then subsequent passes have thread again? If the Zebedees
> (which presumably have bred and so are even more numerous on the planet surfa
> remain, why do they no longer kill thread.

Maybe the Zebedee's die out when they run out of food (thread).  It
takes them quite a while to kill all thread in the neighborhood, but
by the time the red planet gets back near pern, they have all died
out again due to lack of food.  The next pass through the cloud then
picks up more.  (Which ARE being killed by zebedees, but it takes a
LONG time to cover such a large area.)

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: Another Pern book
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:41:00 +0000


In article <1992Dec16.031823.15468@spuddy.uucp>, afra@spuddy.uucp (Phillip Har-
vey-Smith) writes:
>Well when I last mailed Anne, she said in response to one of my questions
>that I'd find out the answer in the *NEXT* Pern book ! ..
>

Now that's good news!

On the subject of new Pern books, has anyone heard any more about the
rumoured reprint of "The Girl Who Heard Dragons", "Rescue Run", and
the missing prelude to "Dragons Dawn" ??

Peter.

                                            "Behold, wise men from the
-------------------------------------------|east came to Jerusalem saying
 *   *    Peter Boulter                    |'Were is he who has been born
  ***     ---------------------------------|King of the Jews? For we have
 *   *    starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk   |seen his star in the east and
-------------------------------------------|have come to worship him'."
                                                            - Matthew 2:2     -
        
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