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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Learning the Greek language
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:24:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.102315.18188@u.washington.edu> janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>
>Hello, I would like to learn the greek language for historical and everyday
>use. Are there any good books?
>
>Thanks
>-- 
>    .  .      +-------------------------------+
>  --|--|      | Mark Yun Wook Choi            |
>   /.\ |      | janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu |
>  --|--|      +-------------------------------+  

I cannot propose specific books, but I can give some information
about where to ask.

Here is a list of organisations:

Modern Greek Studies Association
Box 1826, New Haven, Connecticut 06508
U.S.A.
(ask for their Journal of Modern Greek Studies,
 their newletter, bulletin, conferences, etc.)

Princeton University Press
Princeton Modern Greek Studies
41 William Street
Princeton, NJ 08540
U.S.A.
tel.: (609) 258 4900
      (800) PRS ISBN or 777 4726 (orders)
(ask for a list of their books on modern Greek studies)

Pella publishing company, inc.
337 West 36th Street
New York, NY 10018
U.S.A.
(ask for a list of their books in general)

The University of Toronto is offering a program in Modern Greek.

The bookstore has some books

University of Toronto Bookstore
214 College Street
Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5T 3A1
tel.: (416) 978 7905 (ancient Greek)
            978 7923 (modern Greek)
(ask for the books used by the Classics department
 ancient/modern Greek courses)

The person who teaches some of the courses is

G. Kirikopoulos
Depart. of Classics
University of Toronto
16 Hart House Circle
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5S 1A1
Phone: (416) (B) 978-5477

About ancient Greek, I suppose you can ask any classics department.

C. Christara
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET (Pikaifhs Tsimpoukolaryggostras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 3
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


 Test re, oxi tsimpouki !
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: >>Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:01:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov) wrote:
>In article <Bs0v22.HC6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>
>>  .... Yet, neither Mr. Sommar*, nor Mr. Shopov, are
>>  really interested about the prosperity of this new republic. They just
>>  don't have what to do in their spare time ...

>.... The facts as 
>they have been clearly stated on the soc.culture newsgroups, where the Media 
>are concerned, in countries of the Modern Western World where free press is 
>what the name implies, headlines exist with "Macedonia" termed by that exact 
>name. If you wish to think otherwise, then please do so. Many of us wouldn't 
>really care Panos. However I am sure there are others who are not so blind as 
>you in your ways. I send my regards to those readers.
>
      The fact of the matter is that your postings show nothing else than
      lack of cooperation and of understanding of this issue. Which means,
      that you don't care about the prosperity of your new republic.  Thus,
      you, as well as Som*, post continuously articles like "I saw the name
      Macedonia in this article", or, "Freedom fragile in Macedonia", or
      "EC blackmailed by Greece", e.t.c. 

      And here it comes my point: Let's assume that Greece wouldn't object
      to the name Macedonia for this new republic. Then, try to convince me
      that any claims or propaganda against part of Greek land, history e.t.c
      would stop. THIS SHOULD BE YOUR CONTRIBUTION, if you'd realy care about
      the prosperity of your country.  In the contrary, your postings clearly
      show your hostile attitude against Greece (and the same applies to the
      other guys who make the contributions ..., to Som*, Turner e.t.c.).
      Which attitude, to my opinion, would have been the same, even if Greece
      did not have any objections about the name.

>No Regards Panos Tamamidis,
>Sacha.

      Panos Tamamidis
>
>ps. please dont post where I am unlikely to see any offense you intend.
>soc.culture.yugoslavia is the place. cross post to it please.
>
 P.S.: I'm posting in the group where you post your articles. SCY does not
       interest me. The offense is only in your mind.
--
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: mutlu-BITCH-MALAK eat Sophie's shit!
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:24:59 GMT

mutlu-BITCH-MALAK I never really told you, but I hope 
you enjoyed eating Sophie's SHIT as mush as she enjoyed 
sending it to you!!!  :-) 

Be careful when you get packages mutlu-BITCH-MALAK, run
them an x-ray test before, listen for tic-tac sounds, and
hold your breath in anticipation: THE BEST IS YET TO COME!

And the best is me of course... as I have promised you to 
come and see your ugly face and try to straighten it up a 
little bit... I lost a good chance when the airfare war was
going on, but what the heck, the sweeteness of kicking your
sissy-ass will remain long after the bitterness of the expense
of a trip might cost... 

You dont have guts mutlu, you work like a scared puppie, 
and you hang up the phone every time someone calls you up
and makes a joke on you... I can hurt you anytime I want
mutlu malak, I can use your own dirty tricks your asshole
friends have tried to play on me for a while and kick you 
out... and I mean OUT!

And tell your again sissy-ass friends to cut that bullshit
fake mail out, you are not convincing noone...

Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET

P.S. Why did you start posting from anadolu.michigan.fuck.heads????
     Is Karlito-Denigner charging you too much??? Isnt mama-terkiyeki
     chicken-ass picking up the bill anymore??? What's the matter?
     Economic troubles in the horizons???  :-)
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:54:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6693 soc.culture.turkish:7922
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: To M.Hubey (On the name of Constantinople etc)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:58:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I only made a small comment on the names of cities and here we are.

I don't really care much what name anyone gives a city but it seems
to be courteous to use a name close to what it's inhabitants use.

I know that both Istanbul and Constantinople is from Greek. It seems 
that the answer by Greeks to "Where are you going?" was 
"To the City" (Is tin poli) and this was thought by the Turks to
be the name of the city, apparently.

I originally suggested that if there are complaints about the names
of cities (and that some people think it means 'irredentism' or
of certain names evoke negative images) then the thing to do
is not really to waste time complaining on USENET. Asking the
other side to use the new names will probably be respected.

Specifically, both Yunanistan and Rum are originally from Greek
and do not represent any effort by Turks to cast aspersions
on Greeks. Yunanistan (Ionia) was picked up from Farsi and
Rum (Roman) was what the Byzantines called themselves. The
word Elen is also used in Turkish. If Greece wants the Turks
to call it (them) Elen or Elena that will probably be respected.
it will probably take time to change in books but they will (can)
probably start using them in newspapers. That was my (only)
simple suggestion. No problems.

Many city names in Turkish are still from Greek/Roman as you
well know. Here are some examples, Ankara (Angora/Ancyra),
Bursa (Brusa),Konya (Iconium), Antakya (Antiochus/Antioch),
Bergama (Pergamum), Isparta(Sparta), Izmir (Smyrna), Edirne
(Adrianople), Iskenderun(Alexandria), Trabzon (Trepizond),
Amasya (Amasia), Samsun (Sampson), Kayseri (Ceaseria)....

If this is upsetting (remember the M word :-))  they might
even change these and give them Turkish names.
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 2
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:45:42 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


 Test re, oxi tsimpouki !  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: macedonian is not gre
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Distribution: soc
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:25:27

Article <1992Jul21.899.8664@dosgate>, signed Lubi Uzunov (but sent
from the account mike.vanier@canrem.com), discusses the putative
relationship between Ancient Macedonian and Modern (Slavo-)Macedonian.

First he argues that Ancient Macedonian was not a Greek dialect.  This
may or may not be true.  But let us suppose for the sake of argument
that Ancient Macedonian was not a Greek dialect.  This does not prove
any relationship between Ancient and Modern Macedonian.
Interestingly, he presents no direct evidence of relationship.

He then tries to show that Modern Macedonian and Greek (Ancient and
Koine) _are_ related, through some highly implausible etymologies
which ignore half the letters of the words involved, bizarre claims
about Koine Greek, and fantastic notions of chronology.

He points to some words in common between Greek and Macedonian.  Most
of the languages of the region have large numbers of borrowings from
each other.

Lubi, the Greeks and (Slavo-) Macedonians may well be spiritual
brothers.  We all want peace in the region.  We all want economic
development for the former republics of Yugoslavia.  We all want civil
rights for all.  We don't need pseudo-science to accomplish this!

	-s
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6724 soc.culture.yugoslavia:7339 rec.sport.olympics:814
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,rec.sport.olympics
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: ex-Yugoslav athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:12:03 GMT

In article <500@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:

>
>The claim that "most countries" object to (ex-Yu)  Macedonia's  name  is
>quite  false - the SOLE country objecting to recognition of the Republic
>of Macedonia is Greece.  In the case of the EC  countries,  the  foreign
>ministers  voted  eleven to one IN FAVOUR of recognising Macedonia under
>its own chosen name - Greece was the one vote against, and exercised its
>veto (since EC foreign policy requires unanimity).

You are posting false information. The EC decision was unanimous. 
The decision included, among other things,
that the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
will be recognised under a name which does not
include the term "Macedonia".

C. Christara
From: STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: re: I'm still alive
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:04:01 GMT

cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
   STRIANTAFYLL%34985.gm@HAC2ARPA.HAC.COM writes:
   >
   >I am not dead; just too busy geting ready for Spiros Jr.

   Amerikavopoinqnkes, blepw.

Is this a typical example of 'Green Card Envy', Costas? 

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET (Pikaifhs Poulopnixtras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 10 !
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:55:58 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


   Test apo Pikaifh ton Poulopnixtra,Tsimpoukolaryggostra,Tsoutsounoleugie ...
From: Pytheas@Massalia.univ-lyon1.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: 8ouln n Esxatn - Ultima Thule
Summary: Pytheas the seafarer is back from his Nordic voyage.
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:04:47 GMT
Organization: Universite de Lyon, France .


    Back from Thule, in Massilia.
From: Sophie.Miao@CoolCat.Kittyland.USA (Dr Sophie Miao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Mutlu and his ball(s).
Summary: Mutlu has (number) balls.
Keywords: Mutlu, balls.
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:10:57 GMT
Organization: GroovieCat Inc., Planet of the Cats .


   Niao, Niao, Mutlu ! I am going to reveal some (intimate) facts of life
about you for the benefit of all netters.
   In a recent classified article, published in the last issue of the CIA
journal I found the following description of you:   
    
   What is Mutlu? Quite simple :
There was once a man from Dundee that buggered a turkey on a tree,
The results were quite shocking : Hasan B. Mutlu , that is:
All ass and no forehead, THREE balls and no pipee.

   As you see, Mutlu originally had three balls but now he is left with only
ONE! The qestion that arises is:What happened to the other two balls of Mutlu ?
  
   Now, Hasan my precious, can you please reveal to us all the mystery   
surrounding the disappearance of your other two balls ? I give you 48 hours
time. If you don't do it yourself within this period, then I'll have to make
a public announcement concerning this myself.

  Your secret admirer, Dr Sophie Miao, the Cat.  

PS : Hasan, you have all my love :-)
From: Pytheas@Massalia.univ-lyon1.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: 8ouln n Esxatn - Ultima Thule
Summary: Pytheas the seafarer is back from his Nordic voyage
Keywords: Thule, North sea, Hyperborea.
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:00:15 GMT
Organization: Universite de Lyon, France .


    Back from Thule .
From: Sophie.Miao@CoolCat.Kittyland.USA (Dr Sophie Miao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Hasan darling, your time is running out.
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:29:14 GMT
Organization: GroovieCat Inc., Planet of the Cats .


  Niao, Niao, Mutlu ! Remember: you have only about 32 hours left .
  The moment of truth is coming, like the thief in the night :-)

  Mutlu's secret admirer, Dr Sophie Miao, the Cat.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6893 soc.culture.bulgaria:1064
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:46:51 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Betting

I  just  had  the chance to win some  pocket money  in a very
friendly bet.
I believed that if I replied to KELLY on his/her inaccuracies
over the Jewish and Turkish Genocide (by the Greeks even from
the time they were slaves to the Turks!!), I would get a fer-
vent insulting reply from  H.B.Mutlu with nothing new but the
EXACT TEXT of KELLY which I had JUST REFUTED...
I was correct 300% for I eventually received 3 such texts but
I don't think  others should start pursuing similar proofs on
a permanent basis for the situation will become even more un-
bearable to those who do not use kill-fires...
Actually,  I  do not think I will join any such "betting" un-
less some serious money is put on the "table".   :-) :-) :-)

                                                         A.R.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Toronto's Caravan (Re: lecture on Cyprus ...)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:52:59 GMT


> Ahmet Parlakbilek
>>>> C. Christara

>So, you KNEW about these flyers, but you wrote previously:

>>>>I don't need the information, because I was there
>>>>(in the Thessaloniki pavilion).
>>>>There was no propaganda material about the Cyprus problem.

Of course I knew about them.

Well, Webster defines propaganda as:
prop-a-gan-da n. 1. The systematic propagation of a given doctrine or of
  allegations reflecting its views and interests: Marxist propaganda. 2.
  Material disseminated by the advocates of a doctrine. 3. Propaganda.  The
  Congregation of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of
  preaching the gospel and of establishing the Church in non-Christian
  countries and of administering Church missions in territories where there
  is no properly organized hierarchy.[Ital., short for NLat. Sacra
  Congregatio de Propaganda Fide,  Sacred Congregation for
  Propagating the Faith]-prop'a-gan'dism n.-prop'a-gan'dist n.-prop'a-gan-
  dis'tic adj.-prop'a-gan-dis'ti-cal-ly adv.

There is an obvious difference between the definition of propaganda
in your Webster and in the Webster of our system.

According to yours, the spreading of facts and information
to promote a cause and/or damage some other is propaganda.
I certainly did not use the term in this way. Otherwise,
I could even argue that any educational institution is
doing propaganda.
Also, I don't call propaganda the spreading of ideas,
if there is enough ground for them. Spreading of a doctrine
(i.e. ideas to be accepted and/or believed w/out any evidence)
is propaganda though.
(The two definitions agree about the spreading of rumors/allegations.)

No matter how your or my Webster define propaganda,
when I used the term, I associated it with spreading something
false, or at least very shaky. Therefore, I don't call
the flyers full of propaganda.

The parts referring to historical facts, like the stealing
of the mosaics and the decision of the Judge, as well as
the Ottoman decree are perfectly legitimate for the Caravan.
Some other parts, like the one with the stars below,
I do not call them propaganda, but they do have a sense
of political colour. Therefore, they should
have been avoided (no matter how true and just they are).

For the sake of the record, and not only, I repeat the question
from my previous posting:

Did you deliberately omit the part of the text below,
which followed the one you mentioned?

***** "But the fact remains that there can be no
***** resolution of the Cyprus problem until the
***** settlers depart and Cyprus itself is returned
***** to its rightful Greek Cypriot and Turkish
***** Cypriot owners."

C. Christara
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: Sophie.Miao@CoolCat.Kittyland.USA (Dr Sophie Miao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Message for my precious little Hasan B. Mutlu .
Summary: Precious little Hasan and my shit.
Keywords: Niao, Hasan, shit.
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:20:07 GMT
Organization: GroovieCat Inc., Planet of the Cats .


   Niao, Niao Mutlu ! Did you like my shit, my precious little Hasan ?

  Your secret admirer, Dr Sophie Miao, the Cat.
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: ... and my office phone number is (708) 979 66 84, 'Gav*0'..
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:09:29 GMT


     You can try this phone number too, 'Gav*0'. I may be busy but I will be 
glad to answer all your questions..

(Needless to say,the same holds for everybody out there,for 'Tri*', 'Zap*' and
'Cro*'. )

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: SHIMOKOSHI@129.69.123.1 (K. SHIMOKOSHI)
Subject: Simple Question
Organization: University of Stuttgart, IND
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:35:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20



Hello, Netters!

Just a simple question.
I have a plan to go to Greece (Athenes) with my wife the middle of next 
October.  We want to also join a 3-day cruise for Aegean Sea.
Will we be able to swim in a pool on the deck?  Will it be not cool?

Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------
K. Shimokoshi
Univ. of Stuttgart, Germany
E-male: shimokoshi@nvdv.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de
------------------------------------------------------
From: v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Constantin Orfanos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Opening Ceremonies of Barcelona Olympics
Keywords: Mikis Theodorakis, Agnes Baltsa
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul27.030910.24791@newstand.syr.edu>, patrinos@rodan.acs.syr 
>I was also pleasantly surprised by this. It was a nice touch by the Spaniards
>(or should I say the Catalans?). I guess one could attach a special
>significance to their choice of song. My Korean roommate looked at me in
>amazement as I sang along. The one thing that pissed me off however, is that
>his telecaptioning device kept printing that the singing was in Spanish. To
>think that this music was once outlawed in Greece...

       My parents mention to me that Mikis' music was once outlawed during
  the junta years(1967-1974).  I do not know  about the other years, but I 
  remeber relatives of mine from Greece, would record our albums of his
  onto blank cassettes in order to to bring his music to Greece, whenever
  they had visited us here in the U.S.

     I also have a videotape of this one movie  called "I Kilitha".  All
  the music is done by Theodorakis.  The movie is about the AThens Polytechnic
  students and their struggle against the Junta.  Theodorakis plays in the 
  movie along with Olympia Dukakis, Melina Mercouri, and other actors both
  Greek and non-Greek.  An excellant movie that is in english but has Greek
  subtitles.

>Regards,
>Antonis Patrinos

  Dinos Orfanos
  v095qhyg@ubvms
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6676 soc.culture.turkish:7908
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Genetically Coded Behavior
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:22:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <14gd83INNm4s@agate.berkeley.edu>, sadi@physics3
(Sadi Turgut) writes:
>In article <Jul20.161732.64593@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>
>>You should be careful about this genetic thing. After all, you Turks talk a
>>...
>>descendants of those Greeks? You certainly look like them. Oh, no...
>
> Wow. I didn't think I can hear this from a Greek. So, you mean that
>Turks are really Greeks. I mean the Turks who were called Asian and
>barbarian by some well known persons. The Turks who are not Europeans.

What matters is the culture and not the genes.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:54:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american