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From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Yech
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Date: 5 Oct 1992 16:05:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <BvnHuH.KH0@dcs.ed.ac.uk> Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford) writes:

>It, apparently, was rejected from the cast of Them for having a) too many
>legs and b) being rather too large. It's a member of a species of spider
>that's apparently exclusive to JCMB known as Bloody Enormous Spiders. It's
>probably something to do with all those rooms with "Laser - Do Not Enter",
>"Radioactivity In Use - Beware" and "Danger - Genetic Experimentation On
>Giant Spiders" outside them.


My apartment is currently experiencing a rash of spider attacks.  That may
sound a bit overly dramatic, but considering my inherited arachnophobia,
the mere *presence* of a spider is enough to be considered an attack as
far as I'm concerned.

I was sitting on the couch the other evening reading Newsweek when I saw
a spider creeping across the wall over one of my bookshelves.  So I grabbed
a copy of AutoWeek and whomped him with it.  Unfortunately, in my zeal I
ended up getting black ink from the Toyota ad on the back cover on my white
wall, so that's one more entry on this week's chores list.

The other weekend I was over at my parents', where I eagerly accepted a cold
mug of Bass Ale.  My parents store their glassware right side up in the
cabinets, and I've gotten into the habit of checking the glasses for dead
spiders for that reason.  Unfortunately, my stepmother doesn't, or at least
didn't this time.  About a third of the way through the beer, I got a mouth-
full of dead spider.  I spit the mouthfull of beer clear across the patio.
What a waste!  I wouldn't have minded *too* much if I'd been drinking cheap
American beer, but I hate to see a perfectly good bottle of Bass go to waste.


Geoff


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From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:26:27 GMT
Subject: Re: corporate slime
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.peeves

> 
> And, perhaps the scene I enjoyed the most in the sequel was a short, terse
> exchange between the film maker and Pat Buchanan.
> 
> "Larry Bob" Evil Cowboy Engineer says: check 'em out, peevers!

          I am going to see the movie just for that!!

          The classic in terms of showing the corporate slime for 
what they *really* are is still "Norma Rae", IMO...

>-reykjavik






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                   "It's always beach party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie ---
                    That shit does not prepare you for the true horror
                    of a real woman's life. Where is single, abused, trailer
                    park Barbie?"

                                              Roseanne Arnold

   
> 
> 
> 
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From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Human sheep
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:21:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:

>I'm no Holmesesque libertarian, but I've had it with campaigns to stop
>stupid people from doing stupid things. A prime example is all the
>consumer affairs TV shows. "We dropped this large book from fifty feet
>onto someone's head and laid the sucker out cold. This shows that there
>should be government regulation of the number of pages in books, in order
>to prevent this kind of tragic accident. Horseshit, I say, horseshit.

"Holmeseque"? yeah, I like it! Way cool dude!

Anyway, you've missed the point. After the example you give, these
fuckers would probably lobby government to abolish gravity.

Mike "Why do they have the gravity turned up so high?" Holmes

...and here's another line to save me editing the quote character....
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Rewriting History
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: McOlsen's Lutefisk Burgers -- one served.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.160548.7786@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

>What I can't understand is why anyone *cares* about Columbus anymore. The man
>was a Johonny Come Lately. After all, the Vikings beat him here by, what,
>about 700 years!

	Seen on a bumper sticker: "Columbus was following a Norwegian map!"


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
From: artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellen Sandor)
Subject: Re: Woe is Me
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:25:21 GMT

<< a bunch of people write stuff like >>
>>>	Or, as a friend of mine used to say to me after a heavy night of 
>>>drinking, "How about a nice, greasy pork sandwich, with some mayonnaise 
>>>that is
>>>just starting to turn yellow and hard around the edges?" 
>>Or how about a cup of warm Wesson oil, or perhaps cold lamb gravy?
>Am I the only one who still goes with the old standby, oatmeal (although
>I am intrigued by the thought of pork jello, or deep fried sausages in
>custard)?

	This surefire triplethreat phrase comes from a friend of mine,
one Henio del Castillo:

	"Hot mayonnaise pie... A stick of butter... A bucket of scabs"

	Must be accompanied by appropriate hand gestures, which I don't
feel like explaining, and you don't deserve it anyway.
	I have watched him turn the over-intoxicated and weak of stomach
to a quivering, vomiting mass with these phrases, and his unique style
of delivery. 
-- 
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(Art)^n Laboratories, inventors of the Stealth Negative PHSCologram
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From: amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Just Wondering...
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:23:24 GMT

In article <16010001@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> jqtaylor@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com  
(John Quill Taylor) writes:
> 
> This has bothered me for a long time, because I cannot figure it out.
> Any explanation will be greatly appreciated, especially from a woman.
> 
>           The Question: Why do women wear shoulder pads? 

Because the stupid fashion industry puts them in virtually all of the  
upper-body women's clothes they sell (even some T-shirts, which is  
really ridiculous). I sometimes remove them (although getting them out  
without tearing the seams of the shirt or dress or whatever is a peeve  
in itself), but in some cases that would mess up the design of the  
garment and make the sleeves hang down low, Quasimodo-style.

Now why does the fashion industry put them in clothes in the first  
place? Assuming they don't really want to make us look like football  
players, the only explanation I've heard that makes any sense is that  
they create an optical illusion, by making the shoulders wider and thus  
making it appear that the waist and hips are narrower. Personally, I'd  
rather take my chances without them, but of course (ObPeeve) my  
opinions aren't worth diddly-squat in their eyes....

______________________________________________________________
amy_mcnulty@vos.stratus.com  OR  amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Amy McNulty -- Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA
Stratus pays me to write, but not to write this!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann)
Subject: Ye Olde Transuranic Dumpe
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:04:44 GMT
Organization: Pedantic Getaways

In article <4x-pnfh@lynx.unm.edu> hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman) writes:
>
>Peeve: I have to be in Los Alamos at least three evenings a week. Usually
>I'm in too much of a rush to bring dinner, so I have to face the *two*
>fast food places in Los Alamos: McD's and KFC. Ugga.
>
Depends how rigorously you apply "fast food" to your establishment of
choice.  There's Sonic, greasy and cheap but none too fast, Cafe Allegro,
delicious and expensive, and none too fast (and you have to leave your car),
and Hot Shots, which is reputedly greasy, expensive, *and* slow.  With
so many enticing dining opportunities around town, I can only recommend
the Roach Coach for lunch hours (catch it at a technical area near *you*!)
or bar food at the Los Alamos Inn at dinner.

ObTrivia:  The Los Alamos Inn is built atop the old, ahem, dump for the
Manhattan project and is the hottest place in town.

>!Peeve: While driving through scenic Los Alamos yesterday afternoon,
>I passed a long line of small political billboards (school superintendent,
>county judge, etc.). Tucked into the middle of the bunch was a "Bill T.
>Cat for Pres." 
>
>'Fess up, Ballmann; I know you did it.

Nope, it's Cthulhu/Yog-soggoth for me this November.  Met'em in person
last week at the Inn.  Most of the skin's grown back on the hand, but
there's something uncanny, yet revolting, yet unearthly, yet unsettling
about its texture...

Jenny
-- 
Vote.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Boss Peeve
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:54:29 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <92Sep23.191059.24369@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
> In article <17660@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>>In article <Buz8Dx.CFs@nic.umass.edu> jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
> 
>>>Jenny "Retired Slut" Gutsomething
>>
>>
>>
>>As Peevetown Human Resources Coordinator, I hereby retire you from
>>your position as One Woman Red-Light District and appoint you the
>>Sally Stanford of Peevetown.
>>
>>Sally Stanford was a Sausalito woman of ill-repute, who later went on
>>to become the town madam. After a while, things in town were not going
>>her way, so she ran for mayor. SHe won. (Geoff is mayor of peevetown,
>>so alas, Jenny is not mayor) Sally later opened a very nice restaurant
>>called Sally Stanford's Valhalla.
>>
>>Peevetown finally has a restaurant and Jenny G. is the owner.
> 
> So, to become Chef, who do I send the resume to?
> 
> I am skilled in all the culinary arts, such as misreading orders,
> burning the soup to give that lovely flavour, and throwing
> cleavers at complaining customers. I regret that I don't
> smoke, so I can't stubb out my ciggys in the potatoes though...
> 

All things considered, I'd like to become the Maitre D'. I have the good 
looks, the sneering attitude, and the ambition. So Jenny, when do I start?

M.
From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (The Generic Poster Strikes Again)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: B A C H
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:20:26 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston Dept. of Math & CS

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>I like classical music, [...] Drop the pretentiousness!

Reminds of the other day when I chanced upon some classical (ahem)
program on one of thje local PBS stations, where some opera singer
was about to sing a piece from West Side Story, "I Feel Pretty".
The announcer described this song as an aria from West Side Story
having "elegiac" quality (he pronounced it ell-uh-JIE-ack"), and
claimed that as Maria sang the tune, a rumble was occurring wherein
her lover Tony killed her brother Bernardo.

For those of you not familiar with West Side Story, the scene in
which Maria sings "I Feel Pretty" comes well before the rumble.

Peeve: pompous announcers who don't know what they're talking about.

-- 
Mike Zraly		An effective way to deal with predators
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	is to taste terrible.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@lurch.twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: Question about chutney
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:10:54 GMT


Peeve: My socially illiterate fellow 'Murrikans:

In article <80481@ut-emx.uucp> logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:
|> Just what exactly *is* chutney?

In article <1y!pjf=@lynx.unm.edu>, baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
|>	What is 'chutney'? I'm pretty sure that in the Disney version of

Sheesh! Go to an Indian restaurant and try some, f'ghahdsake! It makes nice
with lots of dishes.

--
Nolan "I'll eat almost anything that don't bite me first" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
"Grab Dick and come on down"  Don Pette
"Texas is like an old woman's pussy.  Everyone knows its down there but
nobody gives a fuck."  - Overheard on CB radio, compliments of 
	bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
"Boy, was I in for a dose of reality." Randall K. Abler
"... necrophilia doesn't really hurt anybody."  Rick Gordon
"Well, first of all, your stance is too wide"

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Subject: Re: Story: choose the proper weapon for the job
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:51:38 GMT
Organization: Legion of Cheese

In article <1992Oct6.162741.24335@cas.org> esp51@cas.org () writes:
>
>[...]
>   With all the Testosterone crazed major lunatics departed, the bunny
>hugging, granola munchers seize control of Peevetown, immediately declaring
>a holiday in honor of Ralf Nader, and commence a tofu lubricated drug and
>sex orgy punctuated with M.L.King's speech screaching over loud speakers.

O gawd, I'm clooooooooooose!


-- 
We've replaced the fine baby Jesus we normally use with Folgers crystals.
Let's see if they notice the difference.
From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: more flashers
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:45:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <lbug6nINNfe5@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>I don't depend on the clicking noise to inform me that my signals are on;
>I look at the indicator light.  Of course, since most American cars until
>fairly recently had very rudimentary instrumentation, and idiot lights
>instead of gauges, most American drivers consequently never got into the
>habit of scanning their instrument panels, so it's natural that they'd
>depend on the clicking.

Wanna talk turn signal peeves, eh?  _Well_.  *I* have possibly *the* most
peevesome turn signal possible (probably because I have a very peevesome
car in general).  A few years back (read "when I was in elementary
school"), the signal flasher circuit guiz-whiz died, so me and my dad went
to the auto parts store and bought (of course) the wrong part to replace
it.  Since then, the turn signal has flashed but it made *no* noise
whatsoever.  I've gotten used to it by now, but when I learned to drive (in
this very car...), my mom kept saying "Turn your signal on!"  "It IS on,
Mom!"  "No it's not - I don't hear it."  "Yes, it's on - look at the
indicator".

Now, that wouldn't be so bad, 'cause my car's old enough that my mom
doesn't want to ride in it anymore.  There's just one thing that makes it
worse - whatever little (plastic?) piece that makes the signal shut off
when I've completed a turn has broken off.  So, it doesn't autmomatically
turn off and I can't hear it.  This leads to my occasionally (despite my
best efforts) leaving the signal on for a few miles.  

"Now," you might ask, "just how did the signal shut-off thing get broken?"
Quite simply:  it kept shutting the signal off when it wasn't supposed to,
specifically in this one place, so one day (being amply frustrated) I just
held the lever down as I drove, and then going around a turn I heard this
little "snap" sound, and now it doesn't work.

Combine that with the fact that the little vinyl knob on the end of the auto
transmission lever falls off spontaneously while I'm driving (making me
think I've run over something) and you can see how my car is a source of
peeves.  Also, the front left speaker goes in and out, the front left
window doesn't open, the plastic control for the power driver's seat has
broken, the A/C only works on Max with high (read "loud") fan speed, the
A/C comes out when the floor vents when the car is accelerating, and so
on.

!Peeve:  Even with 105,000 miles of almost exclusively city driving,
my 13 year old GM car still runs just fine and gets 16-20+ m.p.g.

Adios,
  Logan
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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Death peeve
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:17:44 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep26.061551.21617@cs.yale.edu>, yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>Peeve #4) Every time I TELL them, and mention he was driving at the time, they
>>ask: "Was alcohol involved?" That's a really tactless question, if you ask me.
> 
> Well, was it or wasn't it?
> 

*SIIIIIGH*. No. It wasn't. The fellow swerved to miss an animal, lost control
of the car, and wrapped in around a telephone pole/flipped it into a ditch
(I'm no clear or which of these he did).

Mike, trying to realh an even emotional keel.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Empty Promises (Was: School is Back in Session ( Was Re: Rewriting History)
Followup-To: alt.whine
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<BvCF11.Duy@nic.umass.edu> <1992Sep29.163137.7734@cas.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.163137.7734@cas.org> esp51@cas.org () writes:

<   What can I say, I stand humbled and corrected.  

	But still here, still boring. 

	Obpeeve.

<I made joking assumptions
<about class status (an American taboo) 

	There aren't many taboohoohoos in alt.peeves,
	and "class" isn't one of them.

	LACK of "class" is close to a taboo, however,

<I shall immediately commit
<supuku (sp again) and die honorless and alone in my little cubicle
<here at work.

	ObPeeve: Empty promises. Look, sport, I volunteer to
	be your second and will even provide my own weapon.

<Peeve:  Ever since I started thinking of eggs at unborn chickens, I've lost
<my desire to eat 'em for breakfast.  Since I saw a documentary on
<how the Tiawan fisherman rape the ocean with their gill nets, I've lost
<my appetite for fish.  I've also recently smashed my television
<because of the mindless commercials.  I'm becoming a born again
<policically correct hippy.  Somebody mail me some testosterone(sp?) quick.

	Huh. That special drink with the fragrance of almonds
	seems much more appropriate.

	OBMEGAPEEVE: whiners on alt.peeves.
From: jennyb@triton.unm.edu (Jenny Ballmann)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Just Wondering...
Summary: an airborne chunk of gravel
Keywords: mush, oatmeal, grits, Cream of Wheat (tm)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:05:59 GMT
Organization: Pedantic Getaways

In article <16010001@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> jqtaylor@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (John Quill Taylor) writes:
>
>This has bothered me for a long time, because I cannot figure it out.
>Any explanation will be greatly appreciated, especially from a woman.
>
>          The Question: Why do women wear shoulder pads? 

Why of course to keep the straps of our enormous bulging purses from
bruising our dainty shoulders.

Also, they make dandy feminine hygeine products in a pinch.

Did you have a peeve or something?

Jenny
-- 
"Man without self-disipline is like a waggon hauled by refractory horses, where
driver does not keep hold of bridle at all." - H. Poropudas, Hanna-Maria's dad
From: banta@blagg.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Commercials-on-the-brain
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:22:55 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: blagg

(Geoff Miller) writes:
>I would've liked to have seen the effect on a streetful of Berkeley
>rioters of the 6000 rounds-per-minute, depleted uranium-spitting GAU-8 
>Avenger 30mm cannon of an A-10 Warthog.  I figure the pilot could've 
>done a little tap-dance on the rudder pedals as he proceeded up Telegraph
>Avenue, so as to ensure maximum wall-to-wall coverage.

Gee, Geoff, you must have the Jets of the World (or whatever it is)
calendar that features this abomination this month.  It sort of has
a face only you could love.

andy
banta@abingdon.sun.com
--
"He who hasn't hacked assembly language as a youth has no
 heart. He who does so as an adult has no brain."  - John Moore
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Human sheep
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:13:36 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct1.190223.11850@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
=>tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes: 
=>| jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>| 
=>| >I'm no Holmesesque libertarian, 
=>| 
=>| Thank god for that. One's enough. But who was it who told Mike to get
=>| the Ann Rand books, Jeremy?
=>
=>OK, I let the first one go.  First of all, it's "Holmesian", and second of
=>all, it's "Ayn Rand".

I'm a bit peeved about the possibility that someone could come in on this
thread and think that I was somehow praising the works of Ayn Rand. In fact,
once upon a time, I recommended that Mike read some of her stuff because it
is so appalling that I thought it might disabuse him of some of his sillier
libertarian notions.

Sub-peeve: I'll say Holmesesque if I want to - you don't like it - make up
your own words!



-- 
=======Jeremy Henderson========jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk===============
From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Commercials-on-the-brain
Keywords: plop plop fizz fizz
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:12:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Oct2.182444.19425@cas.org> esp51@cas.org writes:
>During a previous discussion of shooting small furry
>woodland creatures with high powered rifles, I was wondering:
>what actually happens to a rabbit if shot with a 30.06 say from
>within 50 yards?  Is the Wabbit Waporized?

Not really.  A .30-06, in the normal range of loadings, wouldn't be
designed to expand in a little meat as a rabbit.  Most loadings in
.30-06 are make for elk, moose or other fairly large game animal where
you need a reasonable amount of penetration to get to something
critical like a heart or lung.  This in mind, the bullets are designed
to penetrate this deep before expanding, and are likely to pass right
on through Mr. Bunny.

>                                            Also: what about larger
>animals- say a cow or deer?  What would be the affect of a
>head shot from 25 yards with a hollow point from a 30.06?

I'm not sure that you'd want to take a head shot, but it wouldn't have
the visual impact that a movie would give the shot.  I expect that
there'd be a lot of expansion on the shull on entry, and no exit from
the other side.  The animal would drop rather quickly, but not "blown
off it's feet" as you'd see in a movie.

>                                                           Also
>again: is there a rifle with a higher velocity (not bullet mass)
>than a 30.06?

Well, you normally trade mass for velocitym so the smaller the caliber
the higher the velocity.  A .17 Remington might have 4000fps with a 25
grain bullet, a .30-06 would have 2700fps with a 180 grain bullet.

A coffee can full of water hit with either will blow apart, but only
the .17 will cause it to steam.  (Oddly enough a .458 loaded with
softpoints will do about the same).  I think that the effect on a can
of water is directly related to the ability to expand quickly, and
most of the .30-06 loads I'm familiar with don't expand all that
quickly in water.

Before the other shooters here jump on me: yes, I know about the
.30-06 accelerators.  These are discarding sabot rounds for the .30
that will let you toss 55 grains at 4000fps.  Real fun, but in my
experience a bitch to load for, and melted plastic is hell to remove
from a bore.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home
Will hack unix for food 		(.sig stolen from dt - sorry, dt)