From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: Democracy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:20:00 GMT

stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
: >What is "actually the main goal of this war"?
: >
: 
: Acceptance of the right of Serbs for self-determinations.
: The same moment Izetbegovic accepts this, war stops, and the "country"
: could be split. 

The point is, however, that the Serbs are grabbing everything they can get
so that the "split" is as lopsided as they can get it.  If they could, it
appears that they would grab the whole region, and "split" it by keeping
the whole thing.  Not just self-rule; extermination.

The way this war has been run by the Serbs supports the last statement.  If
all they wanted was land, then the war would be run differently.

: >Also, it seems to me that (if correct) the Islamic fundamentalists weren't
: >raping, destroying, killing people like the invaders of BH/Sarajevo are.
: >Please tell me how to compare the two, since you brought it up.
: 
: First, not invaders.  Those are people comming from Bosnia also.  
: Bosnia is a geographical term, and Serbs used to live there since
: 7th century.  I am surprised that you do not know that, considering that 
: you allegedly follow the events.  Serbs were majority there before 
: WWII, but this majority melted away ( guess how).

Yes, there are Serbs from Bosnia who are also fighting.  That does not make
the raping/pillaging right, except perhaps in your mind.

: Second, how do you know what was going on the country side on?
: Violent behaviour connected with the collapse of the central power is
: tradition in that region.

Serbian motto?: let's rape, pillage and kill: it's tradition!  Gag.

: So, cruelty has no borders in religion. 

I never said it did.  Because something happened in the past, does not give
anyone the right to make a pre-emptive strike like what is happening in
Bosnia.  If all the Serbs *really wanted* was self-rule, then they might
go to war, but not with the death camps, not with the raping, etc.  But,
hey, it's tradition!

: >: Self determination has meaning only when it is applied to Slovenians,
: >: not to those under the Byzantine-Ottoman influence.
: >
: >By this analogy, Hitler was simply executing self-determination when
: >dispensing with Jews.
: >
: 
: I fail to see analogy.  
: 
: Also, I think that you missed the sarcasm.
: Slovenians fought bravely for their independence, but deny Serbs the
: same right.  Probably, as Ministar Tanzig put, because Serbs are of the
: Byzantine-Ottoman tradition.  

What the Serbs are doing is not "fighting bravely".  Raping is not "fighting
bravely".  Then again, as you have pointed out that I am not as familiar
with the region, perhaps it is in Serbian terms.

: Some fighter, may be.  You should go after the leadership, and what they 
: say.  Declared goal is to preserve ethnic composition as of 1991 census.

Go by what I say, and not as I do?  What a crock.  The best way to see the
intent is to see what is actually happening in the field.  Leaders and
politicians are there to smooth over ruffled feathers and explain that things
aren't so bad.

: Could you give me the name of the hotel, and where it is?  I'll
: answer you quikly.  

I don't remember the name (it was on the main road into Sarajevo, just on
the outskirts of the city).  It had a beautiful square off to one side, with
a large flower garden.

Of course, I fail to see what your point will be.  It was destroyed by
rocket shells (according to CNN).  Journalists were stationed there at the
time.

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia