From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
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Subject: J Price answers only the easy questions
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:12:05 +1030
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In article <1992Nov17.170257.10999@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
(JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:

Tags:

JJP is the ever popular Jeffrey James Price,
JJP1 is his reply to me, JJP2 is (the one this follows up) his reply to Lynn.

LA is Lynn Alford, lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)

TE is myself, The Eidolon, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)

TE> So, it's OK to kill unwanted puppies but not unwanted fetus's just
TE> because a dog isn't a human? Are you implying that humans are in some
TE> absolute way that humans are superior to all other animals?

JJP1> I don't think it is OK to kill any animal (insects excluded) but one thing I 
JJP1> have noticed is that talking to someone and you talk to them about getting
JJP1> a little puppy put to sleep will elicit more of an emotional response then
JJP1> talking about abortion. Is a puppy any more important than a baby.

LA> Not that this is in any way truly related to abortion, but do you think 
LA> this is the excuse so many people use when they just abandon their cat or 
LA> dog by the roadside?  That it is too cruel to put them to sleep?  In which 

JJP2> Yes I do.

You and your ideals are going to destroy the planet. Come out of your
quaint little dreamworld before you cause too much damage. We do not
have enough resources to go around for all the accidental people in the
world. In some places there isn't enough for those who aren't accidental,
even in the west.

LA> case, they are ignoring entirely the fact that they are most likely 
LA> exchanging a quick painless death for one of slow starvation.  Or perhaps 
LA> the animal does learn to hunt, creating even more havoc among the native 
LA> wildlife whch is having a difficult time because of loss of habitat.

Strangely, we have no comment from Mr Price...

LA> By the way, who is killing babies?  Abortion removes a fetus, which may be 
LA> alive, but isn't the same as a baby.
LA> Anyone who has an abortion kills a baby.(where did I mention killing babies but
LA> I answered the question.

JJP2> Have you ever heard a pregnant woman mention that her fetus is kicking or when
JJP2> she talks about her pregnancy how many times does she say fetus instead of
JJP2> baby? What is the difference between a fetus and baby?

In the case mentioned she wanted to have a baby. We are talking about
the case when she DOES not want to have a baby.
The answer to your question is that a baby has been born, a fetus hasn't.
Gee, I thought it was easy.

TE> Time and time again you do not answer the question:
TE> A woman has taken EVERY precaution she can, condom, spermicide, pill,
TE> the works. She has indicated from the very start that she does NOT
TE> want that pregnancy. By some cruel twist of fate, she gets pregnant.
TE> Should she or should she not get an abortion?

JJP1> She should not! She indicated from the very start that she knows sex can
JJP1> result in a pregnancy and that she has thought of this. She should have
JJP1> thought about that small case in which she did get pregnant. She should be
JJP1> prepared to deal with the child.

LA> Ok, Jeff, let's get down to cases.  I had a friend who is married.  She was 
LA> on the Pill, because she didn't want to be pregnant.  Now you say that if 
LA> this married woman, had sex with her husband, then she must bring any 
LA> pregnancy to term?

JJP2> YESSSSS!!!!!! (sorry fo caps)

More idealistic crap. You really are living in a dreamworld entirely
on your own.

LA> Well, there is a small problem in this case.  This person is trying to 
LA> avoid children for good reason.  She was on several medications for major 
LA> allergies and for chronic depression.  Now, before getting pregnant, she 
LA> should be off these drugs for a couple of months, to avoid any potential 
LA> fetal damage (read possible minor to major birth defects.)  If she did get 
LA> pregnant due to birth control failure, she was going to have an abortion, 
LA> because it was very unlikely that she would have a healthy baby.

JJP2> She knew there was a chance and she took and messed up PAY THE PRICE !!!

We all know that Mr Price is mysoginist (sp?). 'How dare she have sex'
again in true Catholic style...

JJP2> It was unlikely she would get pregnant but she did it is unlikely she 
JJP2> will have a healthy baby but she might.

'She might'. You sadistic bastard. You don't care what kind of quality
of life the child is likely to recieve as long as that wonderful God-given
life is born, right!? Excuse me whilst I throw up...

JJP2> Please quit spouting minority cases at me I can think of exceptions all day
JJP2> long but lets deal with the majority.

Jeff, the minorities are those that make the biggest news. Ban them and
the noise would become deafening so quick you wouldn't know what the
hell happened. You cannot ignore them.

LA> Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy? 

JJP2> Yes.. 

Screw the child's condition, as long as it's born?? You really are a
heartless bastard, more interested in your precious ideals than actual
situations.

LA> Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth 
LA> defect due to medication the mother was taking?

JJP2> Is There a question mark here for a reason.

Not withstanding Lynn's grammar, your comprehension skills are hopeless.
It was a continuation of the question. Now, answer:

LA> Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy? 
LA> Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth 
LA> defect due to medication the mother was taking?

Get it now, Jeff?

(LA, things might have changed for example used)

TE> Answer the question: What if she is forced to change her mind because
TE> of reasons not under her control?

JJP1> Have the baby because she purposely brought it into the world.

LA> People using birth control are *not* purposely bringing any offspring into 
LA> the world.  They are trying to avoid offspring.  Why force them to have 
LA> children they aren't prepared for?

Sorry Lynn, but that wasn't what was asked, it was if she wanted it first
but then had a drastic change in circumstances. I'll let you finish this
one off.

LA> I answered your question but I will answer a quetion about my reply I don't
LA> understand

??

JJP2> Who knows? but try looking in Space..oops I mean your head its the
JJP2> same thing.

(referring to Lynn's disclaimer)

Tsk tsk tsk. Lets see if you apologise for this. I could quote one
Mr Matheson, but he'd chuck a fit seeing as he hasn't followed up
my post....

JJP2> OK I answered all the questions (somewhat rudely) but I answered them.

Get serious.

JJP2> I am getting bogged down in school ocassionally I will pop in and give my
JJP2> 2cents worth.
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