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From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X interface to tar?
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:46:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

Date: 4 Sep 92 07:48:46 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep4.074846.4464@ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep3.224106.10842@ncmicro.lonestar.org>, ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
|> Has anybody seen an Xtool that frontends tar?
|> 
|> That's all....thanks.

It isn't straight X, it's xview but ftptool has this facility.

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From: scowen@wfpc3.la.asu.edu (Paul A. Scowen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xrn 6.17 domain problem
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:55:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Arizona State University

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:52:17 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.165217.28259@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

yes this is an easy one to solve - you need an environment variable called
DOMAIN set to a string like ".dec.com" or somesuch.  It needs to be able to be
directly concatenated to your hostname as understood by the mailer.  Also,
I've found it's a good idea to have the variable ORGANIZATION defined too.

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From: spc@pineal.sci.fau.edu (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:35:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, but who cares?

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:46:58 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.214658.21877@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <Btv1sC.79B@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>In article <YANDROS.92Aug30173448@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU> yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) writes:
>>Not that I'm registering a preference but it's my understanding that
>>the Motif UI was designed pretty carefully to comply with things like
>>IBM's CUA, etc.
>
>IBM's what?
>
>>Personally, I despise OpenLook, just by taste, and find Motif to be
>>too underpowered, overburdened, and undercustomizable to be useable on
>>a real machine (maybe my desktop Alpha-connection machine will solve
>>this ;-).  NeXTStep is very pretty, and has a nice fel, but isn't
>>customizable enough; and System 7 is similar.  Never used NeWS.
>
>I've never quite been able to figure out what exactly NeWS is... I
>know it stands for Network Extensible Windowing System and that it's
>based on Postscript, but I don't think I've ever seen a machine
>running it by itself.  

  Well, the SGI machine I'm sitting in front of used to run NeWS, and was
one of the best looking, quick and easy to use GUI's I've ever used.  and
the fact that it was running Postscript in the background (to manage the
display) meant you had quite an oportunity to personalize it (assuming
you knew Postscript 8-).

  Unfortunately, SGI pretty much dropped NeWS and went to X (icky icky).
I still miss NeWS very much 8-(

  -spc (still kinda upset over the loss of NeWS)
From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X public domain software index available through gopher
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:46:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:38:20 GMT
Message-Id: <Btu2By.Iu7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.infosystems.gopher

bobmcg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob McGonigle) writes:

> The first results of a pilot project are now available from the gopher
> host <gopher.ac.ed.uk>.  It attempts to provide browsing facilities for
> public domain X software.

This should be <gopher.ed.ac.uk> (129.215.200.8).

> It contains an, almost current, index on comp.sources.x. It is planned
> to also index export.lcs.mit.edu in the near future.

I hope my `00-index.txt' file is helpful.

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:38:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:26:01 GMT
Message-Id: <id.3AOS.4A2@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <1992Aug25.014057.29946@wl.com> schuette@wl.com (Wade Schuette) writes:
> Amen to that.  I bought my first mac in 1984, and have been extolling the
> virtues up till system 7.  I'm overwhelmed and lost by the new screens,
> color 3-D-looking icons, and other totally irrelevant clutter that violates
> all the rules.

I believe the technical term is "angry fruit salad".

And it's a pity... finally the O/S is beginning to catch up to the '80s, the
window system takes a dive back into the '60s. No, not mainframes and card
punches, I mean psychedelics and black light discos ...

(then there's the question of WHY IT TAKES SO MUCH GODDAMN MEMORY... but that's
 apparently considered normal these days... I understand WNT will require 8 MB)
-- 
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From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: RE: Special characters display in xterm?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:19:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date:    Tue, 1 Sep 92 10:56:34 PDT
Message-Id: <920901105634.254000cc@TGV.COM>
X-St-Vmsmail-To: ST%"xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu"

#
#In O'Reilly book Volume III, Appendix B, there are several tables
#showing some special fonts, with the title "Encoding: ....".
#  
#Does anybody know how to display those characters (sybmols) in xterm?
#

You specify them from either 1) the command line (-fn -fb) or 2) from
the resource file.
  
Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

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a capital crime.  For a first offense, that is            From the Notebooks of
							  Lazarus Long
From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:47:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Date: 28 Aug 92 16:35:01 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.113502.24092@walter.cray.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x

In article <17j149INNi9r@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack) writes:
>
>How does a CLI person know how to do common things
>like file copying, renaming, moving, etc?  I *still* can't remember
>whether dragging & dropping a file icon between directory windows
>on the Macintosh will do a move or a copy, and have trouble remembering
>what bizarre key/mouse combinations it takes to do "the other one."
>At least with VMS and Unix you have 'HELP' and 'man' if you forget
>how to, for example, get confirmations on file deletion. [...]
>--
>Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst

Try looking at the menus. It's easier to select from a list of multiple 
choices than to pick a command from out of the air. If you want to do
things FASTER, then you can start using keyboard shortcuts.

For a beginner, what good does a man page do if you don't remember whether
the command is "rename," "change_name," "move," etc.

Another thing that long-time users forget is that many new users cannot 
type very well, but everyone can point and click. 

  - Tom A.  	(die-hard Unix fan who still recommends the Mac 
		to 98% of my friends & relatives...)
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From: matt@tfs.com (Matthew Hom)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Escape and Tab keys to modal dialog?
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:17:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

Date: 26 Aug 92 00:08:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.000834.14081@tfs.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I'm using Wcl and Motif in my X Window keying application. If anyone
can shed any light on this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Our customer has requested a change in key assignments for the keying
application. One of the changes involves mapping the Escape key and
the Tab key. I've been using the key accelerator in the pulldown menus
as a convenient mechanism for doing this. The customer also wants
alternative keys to cause the same action (i.e. F9 and Shift+9). I use
translation tables to augment certain widgets by mapping these
alternative key sequences to activate callbacks for the corresponding
buttons in the pulldown menu.

Everything works fine except when my application modal dialogs are managed.
I augment the translations of the dialog to map certain key sequences
to my callbacks. The key sequences work for most keys except for Tab
and Escape. How come? Are these being consumed by the dialog? I tried
to override the translations for the dialog or list widget but I loose
to much functionality in the list widget (arrow keys, CR, etc.). 

*ListDialog*Translations: #augment\n\
Ctrl<Key>Q:     TfsActionActivateCallbacks( *QuitBtn ) \n \
Alt<Key>Left:   WcUnmanageACT( *ListDialog ) TfsActionPrevImage() \n\
Alt<Key>Right:  WcUnmanageACT( *ListDialog ) TfsActionNextImage() \n\
<Key>Tab:       TfsActionActivateCallbacks( *OopsBtn ) \n\
<Key>Escape:    WcUnmanageACT( *ListDialog ) TfsActionActivateCallbacks( *PassBtn ) \n\
<Key>:          TfsActionSelectListItem( *Number*Field1 )

The widget hierarchy for this dialog is"

	Form Dialog Widget
		List Widget

Is there a resource that I can set to allow Tab and Escape to get through
to my action procedures? I tried to augment the translations on the parent
of the ListDialog (ListDialog_popup) as well, but that has no effect. 

Please send responses to matt@tfs.com.

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From: bharat@ces.cwru.edu (M R Bharat)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Keyboard arrow keys doesn't work in text widgets
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:06:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Case Western Reserve University

Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:58:03 GMT
Message-Id: <185u8sINNijn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x

Hello,

In my motif application, the keyboard arrow keys do not work in the 
text widgets.  Well, this do not happen in all the machines, in
particular it did not work in sparc stations.  Does any one has any
idea why the arrow keys work in some machines and does not in others?
Is there any dependencies (s/w, h/w)?  Please let me know at

lilbit!prakash@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Thanks in advance
prakash

216 371 9777
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: mxgdb1.1.4 Bug
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:13:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7

Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:30 GMT
Message-Id: <ROBERTS.92Aug28092430@studguppy.lanl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello all. 

Thought I'd report a bug in mxgdb version 1.1.4. 
(Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.1, X11R5p12, Motif 1.1.4)

When inserting a break in a for loop, i.e.:

for (count = 0; count < num_processes; ++count)
        {
                Foundry *foo = new Foundry;
--> Break Here  printf ("Fubar\n");
        }

stepping through the loop doesn't work. You can step through the first
time, but then the break is deleted and the loop runs to completion.

This same problem does _not_ exist in xxgdb version 1.06.

--Doug
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From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: 256 grayscale levels with standard colormap
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:46:11 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

Date: 2 Sep 92 13:56:17 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.135617.27565@cv.ruu.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <1992Sep2.040959.16164@walter.cray.com> vincent@cadillac.cray.com (Vincent LE BARAZER) writes:


|" Hi everybodyx,
|"
|" I'd like to create an X application that draw lines of pixels, with
|"color level from 0 to 255 in a Grayscale visual.
|" This application has to work either on 8 planes grayscale servers or
|"on 24 planes color server.
|"
|" My first step was to Create a new colormap, allocate 256 levels of gray
|"pixels ( red = green = blue ), and install this colormap .
|"
|" ... but other X clients running on the same server do not like this new
|"colormap !
|"
|" So , how can I handle 256 gray levels without changing the color map ?
|"I suppose that the Visual type has something to do with this ??....

Yes. Don't create a new colormap, but allocate from the default one. Color
allocation will succeed on a 24-bit server anyway and if the servers are true
gray-scale you shouldn't have problems with allocating the necessary 256 grays
either.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
From: bobmcg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob McGonigle)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X public domain software index available through gopher
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:49:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

Date: 29 Aug 92 11:09:54 GMT
Message-Id: <25336@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.infosystems.gopher

X public domain software index available through gopher

The first results of a pilot project are now available from the gopher 
host <gopher.ac.ed.uk>.  It attempts to provide browsing facilities for  
public domain X software.

It contains an, almost current, index on comp.sources.x. It is planned
to also index export.lcs.mit.edu in the near future.

It has been made available to see if the structure for the information 
is useful and to receive comments.
From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Colormap questions
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:03:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: SSC Lab

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:18:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.171829.13209@sunova.ssc.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep2.142522.8178@sunova.ssc.gov>, jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang) writes:
|> 
|>     Is there a text file in X11 giving standard colormap RGB values ?
|> 

     And I know the file /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt. But this is the name database.
What I want is the definition(RGB values) of colormap itself. For example,
a table with 256 entry, each entry has values for RGB.

-- 
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2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011  Tel: 214-708-3498
Dallas, TX 75237                Fax: 214-708-4898
From: klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: OpenWindows with Xsun instead of xnews server?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:51:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Twente, BSC-El

Date: 27 Aug 92 07:35:06 GMT
Message-Id: <klamer.714900906@mi.el.utwente.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x

In <9208252001.AA12022@dedekind.math.luc.edu> laufer@math.luc.EDU (Konstantin Laufer) writes:

->I have been running OpenWindows on a Sun ELC, and the performance is
->horrific, especially when using olvwm.  I decided to switch back to
->plain X11, but using what's already there in the OpenWin installation.
->In other words, I want to run the X11 subset of the OpenWin
->installation by replacing the slow xnews server by the fast Xsun
->server.  I got an Xsun binary and am able to start up X under twm, but
->as soon as I start any xview-based program, I get the following
->messages:

->XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
->XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
->XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package)

->I understand the font-related messages, but not the one related to the
->server.  Moreover, when I quit twm and try to start ol(v)wm, I get a
->segmentation fault.

The solution is to install the OpenWindows fonts in X11 font directories.
convertfont(1) can help in this process. Figuring out what fonts are
requiered is the difficult step overhere; we just converted everything,
and ended up with a lot of doubles.

Note that not all OpenWindows programs will run: some need News support
(like pageview :-), which Xsun does not have. 

It is running over a year overhere (color 8 && monochrome, sun3 & sun4)
without big problems. No experience with X11R5, only X11R4.

Klamer
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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:13:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: signal when window is destroyed
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:35:51 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Date: 1 Sep 92 14:46:57 GMT
Message-Id: <3297@carroll1.cc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x



	What (if any) signal type is sent when a window is destroyed to
the program running in it.  The program is an xterm exec-ing another program


email answers please.
thanks

--
Paul J. Wickman - Analyst/Programmer  Harnischfeger Corporation
Internet: pwickman@carroll1.cc.edu

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"
From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Summery: How to write a pixmap to a file?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:24:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 18 Aug 92 01:34:06 GMT
Message-Id: <20674@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <20623@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I need to store color pixmaps to files. Do I have to convert the
|> pixmaps to images? How to do that?
|> 
|> Is there any public domain source code to save a image to a file in a
|> widely-used format?
|> 

Thanks to those people who gave me the advice of using XPM:
	John N. Calley		jnc@csl.biosci.arizona.edu
	Rainer Sinkwitz		sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch
	Arnaud Le Hors		arnaud.lehors@sophia.inria.fr

________________________________________________________________
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-2759                   Tucson, AZ 85721
From: einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:26:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 26 Aug 92 11:38:54 GMT
Message-Id: <5242@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In <id.3AOS.4A2@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.014057.29946@wl.com> schuette@wl.com (Wade Schuette) writes:
>> Amen to that.  I bought my first mac in 1984, and have been extolling the
>> virtues up till system 7.  I'm overwhelmed and lost by the new screens,
>> color 3-D-looking icons, and other totally irrelevant clutter that violates
>> all the rules.

>I believe the technical term is "angry fruit salad".

And is to be avoided at all costs.



>And it's a pity... finally the O/S is beginning to catch up to the '80s, the
>window system takes a dive back into the '60s. No, not mainframes and card
>punches, I mean psychedelics and black light discos ...

Which is (IMHO) a big over-kill.  And uses up too much of computer
resources that could be used for something else.


>(then there's the question of WHY IT TAKES SO MUCH GODDAMN MEMORY... but that's
> apparently considered normal these days... I understand WNT will require 8 MB)

Once upon a time, there was a complete development environment with editor,
compiler, linker and overlay manager.  It was called Turbo-Pascal version
3.00 from Borland for the PC machine.

It fitten on one diskette and the size of that complete development
environment was:  40k.  Forty Kilobytes.

But now when the GUIs have entered the computer world, you wont get away
with less than (say) 20-30MB for the smallest development environment.

(bad thing, bad thing)

-- 
einari@rhi.hi.is