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From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Romanian language (was: Estonia)
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 22:50:36 GMT

In article <9209061207.AA19395@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>Sergei Viznyuk writes:
>
>>  As you may know, the ORIGINAL script of MOLDAVIAN
>> language was Cyrrilic, except for the time, Moldova was
>> occupied by Romania, i.e. during 20 years. Therefore,
>> the question is WHY Moldavians were FORCED to change
>> their script to Latin ? [...]
>
>Sergei, could you please substantiate your assertion thet the "ORIGINAL
>script of MOLDAVIAN language was Cyrillic"?

  Moldavia was part of Russian Empire since sirca 1813, until
it was annexed by Romania in 1918 (taking advantage of situation
in Russia). Until that time, i.e. until 1918 the script of
language used in Moldavia (or as it was called then, Bessarabia-
you can call this language Romanian, if you like, even though
there were no such notion as Romania until 1850ies)
was Cyrillic, as I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
  After annexation by Romania, the script was changed to
Latin and remained such until Moldavia's re-annexation
by Uncle Joe i.e. during 20 years.

> Could you also explain to
> us what is the difference between the Romanian and Moldovan languages?

  The same as difference between Romanians and Moldovans.
Or would you claim that the word Moldovans is the Stalin's
invention ? Or better tell this to Moldovan -
they are not in a hurry to rename themselves into Romanians.

>Also, if you do not mind, could you tell as WHERE is Moldova located
>and when were Moldovans forced to switch alphabets?
 
  See above and map of the world.


S.V.
From: zhelud@drfmc.ceng.cea.fr (Andrei Zheludev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Cultures and Literature
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:58:10 GMT
Organization: Conspiracy International
Originator: verbits1@husc9.harvard.edu

In article <1992Sep11.140956.29546@gtech.com> ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>In article <Lq2wqB1w165w@halcyon.com> novost@halcyon.com writes:
>>  1)  How many republics were in the former Soviet Union?
>>  2)  Name 5 Russian Authors.
>>  3)  What is the role of Lenin in Russian history (simply)?
>>
>One of the most shocking experiences in my first year in US. I was going
>to play rugby here for a first time. We had pooled cars and on the way to
>game had a little chat. One of the players told me that he is from
>Argentina.  After that he asked do I know where is it. His question
>sounded like it is quite usual for people to know nothing about Argentina.
>
>But now I became a very accustom this situation and I guess It is quite
>understandble. Just try to decide is it right time to buy a home or it
>is wise to wait some itime until prices will reach bottom ? 
>I guess you will care little about Argentina.
>
>

Ah Mashenka, Masha! Da ti posmotri!
Kakie problemi vokrug i vnutri!
Hleba ne rodiatsia, klokochet Beirut,
Buran nad Floridoi i _strashno_ kradut.

DA! No bednij chizhik! On vse sidit v kletke!
Ne poet ne skachit! Plachit...

(that was Y.Kim)

>
>
>
>-- 
>Aleksey Y. Romanov
>
>DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
>necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: schindle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sarah Elizabeth Schindler)
Subject: Re: y6eu B ce6e XACAHA! ( was: Re: Russian poetry )
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc.culture.soviet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:58:10 GMT

Would you all please take this debate over who holds the keys to Russian
literature/culture and step outside with it? Please? It seems that all the
name-calling, flame-throwing, name-dropping, connection-flaunting, and
sharing of stories of abuse and woe *could* be taken to alt.flame
(or to email ! :.

Thank you.

Sarah Schindler

p.s. Ms. Schwarz: Remember what Kissinger says about academic politics...:-)
From: zhelud@drfmc.ceng.cea.fr (Andrei Zheludev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The least nationalistic nation
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:25:53 GMT
Organization: Conspiracy International
Originator: verbits1@husc9.harvard.edu

In article <1992Sep9.180453.8396@cco.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>
>Maybe some of the negative emotions being expressed right now are a
>combination of apprehension that there will be a Russo-Disney outside

You are right about Russo-Disney. This already started. We had (and probably
still have) the "Chip&Dale" cartoons on TV every saturday. The children as
well as the adults were simply crazy. I was on the 'sbori' (a military
training which goes on for 1 month) and we had a TV set in the baracks.
Belive it or not , but the oficers were obliged to change the training
schedule because the students _refused_ to miss Disney's cartoons. The 
mouse-girl (don't know her real name)Gkaechka was simply consi-
dered to be a sex symbol. I see nothing wrong with it.

e
>of Moscow someday, and that certain people who were abused by the
>Soviet system and had to emigrate will never be able to get back their
>past Russian lives.

This is true. I am away from Russia for only a year. Still, I
can't grasp what is going on there. The letters from my friends
look to me like cryptic letters.

>
>I hate the idea of "the conquering Westerner" coming to Moscow with
>Marlboros and Lancome lipstick to bribe the poor ignorant unstable
>drunken Russians. This disgusting picture was glorified in many otherwise

I don't consider bribary to be a crime. if the drunken russians
acept marlboros as a bribe- well, they are worth a pack of cigarets,
_they_ are disgusting, not those who bribe with cigaretts.

>respectable American magazines under the topic of "How to Survive in
>the Soviet Union." 

Do _you_ know how to survive there? Sometimes it seems to me that 
_I_ dont. I have a good friend, Iliusha Falkovski. He used to be the
jolliest and the most careless guy you can imagin. I was really
depressed when I was told that now he is doing bussiness buying and
selling Lenin's Orders and othe valuable medals. I asked him why?
He said -I do need some mopney to buy my bee. Sad. I wonder what _I_
would be selling would I be there

>
>No one can deny that Russian literature and poetry contains a high
>proportion of works of true genius. Please don't be so miserly with
>these works. Instead be happy that people all over the world love them
>in their own ways.


I think it was not you, but somebody else mentioned in this group
that he thinks that M&M is extremely funny. Of course, let him
enjoy this aspect of the book. But why M&M? 12 STULIEV is _much_
funnier. People also read DeCameron finding nothing in it except
stories about sex. Let them enjoy it! But still I see no reason
to be so damn _happy_ about it.


AAaaaaaaAAAAaaaAAAAaazZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZZaAAAaaAAAazzzzzZZZZz





P.S. Please forgive my numerous mistakes and misspellings. I have serious
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: What's Rakhov like?
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 18:11:25 GMT

In article <LEONID.92Sep7105241@thyme.uchicago.edu> leonid@thyme.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
>
>I just wanna tell a few words 'bout the region - this piece of 
>Ukraine in the Carpathian mountains ( "Zakarpatje" in Russian,
>"Zakarpatt'a" in Ukrainian ). The place is really interesting!
>In fact, this territory was `added' to the USSR only in 
>1944(43?), latter than any other part of that nice empire.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Not true. Tuva was added in 1948, and it has territory
larger than Zakarpatje.
S.V.
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Date: 13 Sep 1992 07:05:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <151@npal.rn.com> jcurtis@npal.rn.com writes:
>w
>I am a new user to Internet, so this post may not reach the group in the
>correct form. However, after reading the posts from the Russians in this
>newsgroup, I felt I had to respond. How would Vadim and the others have felt if
>the Germans had taken over Russia and 50 years later Russia had regained its
>independence? Would he be willing to give citizenship to colonists who had been
>sent in to Germanize Russia. This is the way people in the Baltic States feel
>about their Russian occupiers. My grandfather was executed because Stalin made
>a deal with Hitler giving the Soviet Union the Baltic States. My mother was
>left an orphan and was lucky enough to escape to the United States. I have no
>idea what happened to my uncles and aunt because they were too young to make
>the trip from Latvia. I have no sympathy for colonists who were given all the
>advantages while the state did it's best to destroy the national identities of
>those countries.
>jcurtis@ npal.rn.com  or  towers!nstar!npal!jcurtis
>

Sorry, but you have absolutely no feeling whatsoever of how people feel
in USSR. Imagine youself grown up among those Germans. Imagine meeting them
every day, working with them, drinking with them, talking with them. Yes,
most of them did not like Soviet system (as most of Russians are), yes some
SOME of them do not like Russians, but my guess would be that this is at least
not majority. I have couple of coleages in Baltic states, I have been there
many times. People were not hissing curses to my back. They were talking
to you. If you will ask directions on streets, they would smile and answer.
Do not think that they were afraid. There were nothing to be afraid, at least
last 10-15 years, which I know. After all some were not that much friendly.
I never met anybody, rejecting to speak Russian with me (at most waitress
in bar corrected mine pronanciation of bar's name :) ), but I did heard
about stories when people refused speak Russian, you will try to by food,
and shop assistance would pretend she do not understand. Nothing would
happen to those people. Last time we were in Riga 5 years ago. People
were VERY friendly to me. 

So your example is quite wrong. Actually, many Russians would love to become
German citizens nowdays :). And I know quite a few who did.

Citizen of evil colonial empire, Yury
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Romanian language
Date: 7 Sep 1992 06:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <9209070333.AA03712@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>
>Although this point is arguable, I definitely disagree in the case of
>Moldova. It might have been coincidental, but the switch from Latin to
>Cyrillic, in effect, played a direct role in Stalin's re-annexing East
>Moldova. The alphabet issue was used as yet another "evidence" (along with
>Soviet version of history, etc.) that Moldovans are distinct from Romanians.
>There were also attempts to Slavicise the language, e.g., by replacing
>certain Latin terms with Slavic derivatives.  These attempts, luckily and
>nearly miraculously, failed [a very interesting topic in itself!]. The
>imposition of Cyrillic alphabet also had the effect of altering the
>phonetics, since certain diacritical marks were lost.
>
>Finally, note that Moldova was annexed at the same time as the Baltics.
>Baltics preserved the Latin while Moldova was Cyrillicised.
>
I sort of lost. There is too much information often contradictory (even from
one person). For example you seems mean too different geographical region by
Moldova. As you wrote earlier, only Besarabia were re-annexed in 1939.
Then am I right, that Besarabia (i.e. modern Republic of Moldova) had
Cyrillic alphabet before 1917, and was part of Russian Empire. After 1917-1919,
most of it were taken by Roumania (what is the _English_, nor Russian, neither
Roumanian, spelling, after all), and converted to Latin. Small remain, modern
Transdniestian Republic was converted first to Latin and then in 20-30 back
to Cyrillic. As all other Bessarabia was taken back by USSR, it all was
converted to Cyrillic (in use in Moldova ASSR by that time). Last means
that it has nothing to do with annexion of Baltics. 

Can one of you knowlegable guys explain situation to me, without too much
heat and using terms, coherent at least inside one article.

Yury

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Any news form Afghanistan ? Hanging in Kabul.
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:37:44 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <20356@plains.NoDak.edu>, azam@databusters.ag.ndsu.NoDak.edu (syed
azam) says:
>
>
>        I hope and pray that this new turn in Afghan politics will
>not waste all the efforts of Pakistanis to help their brothers in
>Afghnistan.What other groups leaded the Jihad during the occupation
>of Afghanistan? Not only Pakistan but other governments also
>contacted these leaders for the solution of Afghan problem. It was
>them who either bycotted or accepted different UN efforts. It will
>not be correct to say these leaders were errected by any government.
>Their success and failure is highly questionable, specially after
>their internal conflict. During the presence of Soviets they were
>fighting Russians, now it is a different story.
>
> (stuff delete)
>
>        By dear Afghan brothers, I can go on and on, but that is not
>the point. Please at this tough time do not lose the old friends. If
>Pakistan had been interested in the destruction of Afghanistan, it
>would had simply closed the border on them and had let them do the
>things at their own. Long live Afghans, Long live Afghan Jihad. This
>jihad has brought back the memories of the golden days of Islam, this
>jihad destroyed a super power in an unpresedented manner.
>
> (stuff delete)
>
>
>sincerely,
>Syed Azam
>

dear brother,

as an afghan i must say that afghans will always be indebted to their
pakistani brothors and sisters for all their help during our darkened
days, which unfortunately continues to this very day.  giving
refuge to your brothers and sisters, some 4 million of them,  for
almost a decade will never be forgotten by us.  may the almighty be
with pakistan and pakistanis always.

i must also say that although pakistan has helped us immensly, there
have been times that the government of pakistan has taken actions
which at some level has been in odds with the interests of the afghan
people.  i don't think anyone can deny this.  but ofcourse one must
realize that the pakistani government will naturally take actions that it
thinks are in the best interests of pakistan first.  this is under-
standable.  i think if the situation would have been reversed, our
government would have done the same.

the current unfortunate and shameful tragedies unfolding in afghanistan,
specially in kabul, is a problem of our own doing.  i don't think it
is pakistan, iran, or the us that is responsible for today's violence.
we afghans must learn not to fight with each other over the carnage of
our children and over the loots of our innocent civilians.  the cry of
our mothers and sons and daughters is caused by our shameless egoes,
and our lust for the throne.  the ironic thing is that by the time one is
comfortably sitting in power unchallanged by a rival, there will be
no land to build, no people to serve, no nation to protect, and no
hope to live.  how sad.

pray for us please.

walid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:31:21 GMT
 <1992Sep10.190813.11703@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

>In article <babak.715478027@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
>writes:
>
>Afghan, means load scream from pain or sorrow.  Afghanistan was part of
>origional Iran, which was forced out of Iran by England around 100 or so
>years
>ago.
>
>
well, do you know what eeran (iran) means?  it means this thigh!
come on snap out of it.  get a major clue as they say here in
california.  what is this claim of yours which amounts to nothing but
garbage.  first of all what is original iran?  from your sentence it
sounds like original iran existed arond 100 years or so ago, as you
so poetically put it.  so what was in place of "original iran" before
let's say 500 years ago?  do you refer to that as the original original
original original ..... eeran?

and what is this thing about england forcing afghanistan out of iran?
as most sane people know it, it was us afghans who fought the british,
and it was you iranians who were good allies of the british ( they
actually ruled iran during those days, but then i digress).  so as
logic would dictate, most people would agree that the british would have
loved to keep afghanistan a part of the original iran, if in fact
afghanistan was a part of the, you guessed it, original iran.

so mr. original iranian, please read about the true history of your
country, using real history books written by real historians, and stop
offending your neighbors.

cheers,

wam
From: azam@databusters.ag.ndsu.NoDak.edu (syed azam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Any news form Afghanistan ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:19:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20210


Dear Brothers Assalamo-Alekum.

I was wondering if you have received any news from Afghanistan about  
the situation in Kabul. Also their is no news in media about the  
floods in the northern areas of Afghanistan. Please use the news  
group to infrom others about Afghanistan as much as possible.

Sincerely,
Syed Azam

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From: jisrawi@physics.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.religion.islam
Subject: Algeria: A meeting in Washington D.C.
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:22:50 GMT
Followup-To: poster


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   A historical meeting took place today in Washington D.C. A group of
prominent US Muslim community leaders (Imams) including, Al-Amin Adbul Latif,
Jamil Abdullah, Taif A. Abdullah, Da'ud Abdul Malik, Ali Abdulrahman, Mikael 
Huda, Walid Abdul Fattah Griggs, W.D. Mohammed, Yusuf Saleem, Larry Amin
Sharriff, Abd. Shaheed, Zaid Shakir, Ronald R. Shakir, Mikail Abdur Rahman 
and Siraj Wahhaj gathered at George Washington University to hear first hand
about the cause of the Algerian people. Mr. A. Haddam, head of the 
parliamentary delegation of the FIS, projected to them the ALgerian crisis
from the FIS standpoint. The meeting lasted about four hours. Mr. A. Haddam 
gave to the attendees an updated account of the developments in Algeria
together with a brief historical account of past events. The presentation
and subsequent debate focussed on the needs of the FIS in the United States.
After a detailed discussion, the colective body of US Imams endorsed 
the FIS cause and pledged to provide support for it.

   An ad-hoc committee was formed to draft a resolution, which will
eventually articulate consensus reached by the Imams. Amongst other things,
the Imams promised to enter into proactive actions to help raise public 
awarness with regard to the Muslim cause in ALgeria. In addition, they also
suggested they would engage in pressuring their government to take the 
appropriate stand vis-a-vis the current Algerian regime.

                              For the parliamentary delegation 
                                 in Europe and the US

                                    A. Haddam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:45:43 GMT

In article <92254.153121WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid) writes:
>>In article <babak.715478027@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
>>writes:
>>
>>Afghan, means load scream from pain or sorrow.  Afghanistan was part of
>>origional Iran, which was forced out of Iran by England around 100 or so
>>years
>>ago.
>>
>>
>well, do you know what eeran (iran) means?  it means this thigh!
>come on snap out of it.  get a major clue as they say here in
>california.  what is this claim of yours which amounts to nothing but
>garbage.  first of all what is original iran?  from your sentence it
>sounds like original iran existed arond 100 years or so ago, as you
>so poetically put it.  so what was in place of "original iran" before
>let's say 500 years ago?  do you refer to that as the original original
>original original ..... eeran?
>
>and what is this thing about england forcing afghanistan out of iran?
>as most sane people know it, it was us afghans who fought the british,
>and it was you iranians who were good allies of the british ( they
>actually ruled iran during those days, but then i digress).  so as
>logic would dictate, most people would agree that the british would have
>loved to keep afghanistan a part of the original iran, if in fact
>afghanistan was a part of the, you guessed it, original iran.
>
>so mr. original iranian, please read about the true history of your
>country, using real history books written by real historians, and stop
>offending your neighbors.
>
>cheers,
>
>wam

so how about some muslim brotherhood?

zafar minhas