From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: CFV: talk.politics new groups
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:52:01 GMT

CALL FOR VOTES: talk.politics new groups

VOTING:

To place a vote either for or against the creation of any or each of
the new talk.politics newsgroups, send the ballot below completed with
Y/N/A for Yes, No and Abstain respectively to address
talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi.  An email reply to this message
will go to the right address.  If there is no line with the respective
group, it will be interpreted as an "abstain" vote.  DO NOT post votes
to a newsgroup.  Votes will be acknowledged on these newsgroups.

All votes must be received by Aug 22, 1992.

As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes
by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created.

This CFV follow the RFD on new talk.politics groups - many new groups
were added to it along the way.

THE BALLOT:

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A   talk.politics.usa.misc		Misc. USA politics.
A   talk.politics.usa.constitution	U.S. Constitutional politics
A   talk.politics.canada		Politics of and in Canada
A   talk.politics.asia.japan	Politics of and in Japan
A   talk.politics.asia.taiwan	Politics of and in Taiwan
A   talk.politics.europe.britain	Politics of and in Great Britain
A   talk.politics.org.ec		European Community politics
A   talk.politics.org.un		Politics of United Nations
A   talk.politics.org.spook		"Spook" organizations around the world
A   talk.politics.org.misc		Political organizations
A   talk.politics.europe.misc	Misc. discussion on European politics
A   talk.politics.europe.nordic	Politics of Norden
A   talk.politics.europe.baltic	Politics of Baltic countries
A   talk.politics.europe.east	East European politics
A   talk.politics.europe.balkan	Balkanese politics
A   talk.politics.latin-america	Latin American politics
A   talk.politics.north-america	Politics of Northern America
A   talk.politics.americas		Geopolitics on the American continents
A   talk.politics.africa.misc	Politics in Africa
A   talk.politics.asia.misc		Politics in Asia
A   talk.politics.asia.southwest	Politics in South-West Asia
A   talk.politics.asia.southeast	Politics in South-East Asia
A   talk.politics.asia.south	Politics in South Asia
A   talk.politics.australasia	Politics in Australasia
A   talk.politics.antarctica	Politics of the Antarctic
A   talk.politics.elections		Elections discussions and reports
A   talk.politics.sex		"Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour
A   talk.politics.equality		Equality and discrimination
A   talk.politics.civil-liberty 	Civil liberties
A   talk.politics.libertarian	The libertarian ideology
A   talk.politics.constitution	A constitution as a basis for a society
A   talk.politics.economics		Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets
A   talk.politics.media		Media and politics
A   talk.politics.usenet		Politics of Usenet
A   talk.politics.science		Politics in science.
A   talk.politics.health		Health care, politics in medicine, etc.
A   talk.politics.ethics		Ethics in politics.
A   talk.politics.work		Workplace and employment politics
A   talk.politics.reform		Political reform
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DESCRIPTION OF GROUPS:

This is a vote for new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy to be
created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political
discussions on geographical areas outside USA possible, and also make
focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through
big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are
interested in.

All groups are to be unmoderated.

The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet
currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing
geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in
talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries
(alt.politics.british).  This division is proposed to be maintained
and also to add a new class, groups for politics of organizations
(talk.politics.org.un, talk.politics.org.spook etc.).

Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and
news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in
creating a newsgroup (<spaf-howto_705196271@cs.purdue.edu>).

The new groups (a total of 40) proposed grouped by this division
with charters for all except the geographical groups follow.

Groups for countries (6):

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talk.politics.usa.misc		Misc. USA politics.

A group for discussions on politics specific to USA - federal domestic
issues, foreign politics, politics in areas / states, general
development and political atmosphere.


talk.politics.usa.constitution	U.S. Constitutional politics

Discussion on the role of the U.S. Constitution as a major document
shaping the happenings in the country.  Theoretical discussions on
that role as well as practical reports on the role and interpretations
belong into the group, as well as methods of supporting USA as a
country based on the principles of the constitution.


talk.politics.canada		Politics of and in Canada

A group to discuss Canadian politics.


talk.politics.asia.japan	Politics of and in Japan

A group to discuss Japanese politics.


talk.politics.asia.taiwan	Politics of and in Taiwan

A group to discuss Taiwanese politics.


talk.politics.europe.britain	Politics of and in Great Britain

A group to discuss British politics.


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Groups for politics of organizations (4):


talk.politics.org.ec		European Community politics

Discussions on the European Community and the politics of possible
European integration into an European Union.


talk.politics.org.un		Politics of United Nations

What is the role of United Nations in world politics?  Who holds the
power on various organs of UN?  Does UN have any real influence?  


talk.politics.org.spook		"Spook" organizations around the world

The topic of the group is various organizations around the world
engaging in paramilitary action, intelligence, spying, covert
operations, ie. the "dark side" of governmental action or action
supported by governments but secret to nearly all citizens.  What kind
of political power do these organizations hold?  How do they use it?
Are they a threat to governments by the people or a threat to freedom
and democracy?  Are they "a necessary evil" in an unperfect world?


talk.politics.org.misc		Political organizations

Generic group for discussions on political organizations of economic,
military or other kind - examples include NATO, GATT, European
Council, OECD etc.

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Groups for geographical areas (16):

talk.politics.europe.misc	Misc. discussion on European politics

A misc. group for discussion on European politics.
Talk.politics.europe.* and talk.politics.org.ec cover many of the
topics in European politics, so you might want to check there first.

talk.politics.europe.nordic	Politics of Norden

The Nordic countries are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland.
This groups if for dicussing politics of that area.

talk.politics.europe.baltic	Politics of Baltic countries

Politics in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

talk.politics.europe.east	East European politics

Politics in Eastern Europe.  There are many definitions for Eastern
Europe, but probable areas of discussion are the former Soviet Union
areas (but see also t.p.europe.baltic) and Warsaw pact countries (but see
also t.p.europe.balkan).


talk.politics.europe.balkan	Balkanese politics

A group to discuss politics within and between the Balkan states themselves.
For purposes of the this group, The Balkans shall be taken to mean
Albania, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro,
Serbia and Slovenia.
Also includes would be international, but not domestic politics of the
bordering states, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, and Turkey, as they have
a direct impact upon the balkan states.


talk.politics.latin-america	Latin American politics

A group to discuss politics of the Latin American countries and the
geographic area.

talk.politics.north-america	Politics of Northern America

Politics of the geographical area of Nothern America, cooperation and
relations of USA, Canada and Mexico.

talk.politics.americas		Geopolitics on the American continents

Misc. discussions on the politics on American continents, ie. North
and South America combined.

talk.politics.africa.misc	Politics in Africa

Politics of the African continent.

talk.politics.asia.misc

Misc. Asian politics.

talk.politics.asia.southwest	Politics in South-West Asia

Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc.
For politics involving Turkey with Greece and Bulgaria see t.p.europe.balkan

talk.politics.asia.southeast	Politics in South-East Asia

Vietnam et al.

talk.politics.asia.south	Politics in South Asia

India,Pakistan,Nepal,Afganistan,Sri Lanka, Maledives,Bangladesh


talk.politics.australasia	Politics in Australasia

Australia, New Zealand, and Polynesia.


talk.politics.antarctica	Politics of the Antarctic

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Groups for topics (14):


talk.politics.elections		Elections discussions and reports

Discussions on elections around the world - ongoing, future and past.
For topic on periods with several elections going on, it is
recommended to put a keyword in the Subject field describing what
election is being talked about.


talk.politics.sex		"Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour

Sexuality laws (blue laws, criminalizing sex acts,"indecent" behaviour
etc.), censorship on sexuality ("obscenity" laws), etc.  Generic
discrimination or equality quostions based on gender or sexual
preference don't belong here but rather in talk.politics.equality.


talk.politics.equality		Equality and discrimination

Equality and discrimination with regards to skin color, gender,
nationality, sexual preference, ethnicity, language, etc.


talk.politics.civil-liberty 	Civil liberties

The relation of governments and citizens, the rights of members of
organizations.  The U.S. Bill of Rights gives one picture of the
possible topics, but the topic are of the groups is broader that that.


talk.politics.libertarian	The libertarian ideology

The libertarian ideology aims for limited government and individual
and economic freedom.  	With more than 80 libertarian organizations
there is a growing interest in the ideology around the world.

The existence of this group is not a reason to try to silence certain
political views on other groups - topics which are otherwise
appropriate in other groups remain appropriate there.


talk.politics.constitution	A constitution as a basis for a society

What should there be in a constitution?  How do various constitutions
work in practice?  Does a constitution need to be written?  What
should be the aims of constitutions?  How various constitutions around
the world have lasted the challenges of time?


talk.politics.economics		Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets

Economical politics - what governments should invest in, what should
be taxed and what subsidized, how do economics shape politics.


talk.politics.media		Media and politics

Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political
propaganda.  


talk.politics.usenet		Politics of Usenet

Politics of Usenet and the rest of the world (what groups to carry on
what basis, how does Usenet influence organizational politics etc.)
Also a suitable subject for discussion is the "domestic politics" of
Usenet, ie. how to govern creation of new groups, how to solve
problems in Usenet etc. but these are perhaps more suitable to be
discussed in the news.* groups.


talk.politics.science		Politics in science.

How is science money allocated?  How do carrier possibilities form?
Should science be funded privately or by governments?


talk.politics.health		Health care, politics in medicine, etc.

Should health care be governmental or private?  Are the medicine
markets and national acceptance bodies controlled by the drug
companies?  How do intellectual property and other laws shape health
issues?


talk.politics.ethics		Ethics in politics.

What is ethical in politics?  Do politicians need to tell the truth?
Are smear capaigns ethical?


talk.politics.work		Workplace and employment politics

A group for discussions on the power relations coming up in
workplaces, employment politics, worker organization politics, worker
movements, government policies affecting employment, worker
requirements / rights.


talk.politics.reform		Political reform

Discussions on how to achieve political reforms, what tools to use,
when reforms are desirable as well as political reforms currently
going on around the world (like in the x-USSR).


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//Jyrki


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