HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ecu@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: CCD News still being published???
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:33:42 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Bruce:
	I'm sorry to say the Keith Gardner and his wife were both killed
recently in a car accident.  Information obtained from the ASTROFORUM on
conpuserve said that if it was at all possible, his son (&/or his daughter)
were going to continued the magazine.

Dave Lane
Dept. of Astronomy, St. Mary's University



In article <1992Oct10.001228.1715@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807) writes:
> I'd like to know if anyone out there has a subscription to CCD news.
> It supposedly is being published by Keith Gardner, of Avon, Ohio.
> 
> Did this newsletter go out of business?
> 
> --- Bruce
> 
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From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:42:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175901.1730@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>               The Roswell Incident illustrates a serious problem here.  
>          Whenever there IS physical evidence of a UFO Spacecraft, the 
>          military always confiscates it, using "national security" as 
>          an excuse, and then ACTS LIKE THE MAFIA toward the finders 
>          and other witnesses by THREATENING them if they don't keep 
>          silent!  (They did it to the rancher in the Roswell 
>          Incident.) 

 AND the COUNTRIES that DON'T HAVE any MILITARY ??




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Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807)
Subject: CCD News still being published???
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:12:28 GMT

I'd like to know if anyone out there has a subscription to CCD news.
It supposedly is being published by Keith Gardner, of Avon, Ohio.

Did this newsletter go out of business?

--- Bruce

Newsgroups: sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
From: oler@rho.uleth.ca (Cary Oler)
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 06 October
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date:  7 Oct 92 07:51:20 GMT

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 280, 10/06/92
10.7 FLUX=137.4  90-AVG=122        SSN=203      BKI=3312 2211  BAI=007
BGND-XRAY=B4.4     FLU1=8.8E+05  FLU10=1.5E+04  PKI=3312 3221  PAI=008
  BOU-DEV=035,028,009,012,019,015,006,007   DEV-AVG=016 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= C3.0   @ 1218UT    XRAY-MIN= B3.7   @ 0019UT   XRAY-AVG= B8.2
NEUTN-MAX= +001%  @ 2345UT   NEUTN-MIN= -004%  @ 2240UT  NEUTN-AVG= -1.0%
  PCA-MAX= -2.9DB @ 0540UT     PCA-MIN= -3.4DB @ 1920UT    PCA-AVG= -3.1DB
BOUTF-MAX=55432NT @ 2159UT   BOUTF-MIN=55410NT @ 1721UT  BOUTF-AVG=55423NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+100NT@ 1636UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+003NT@ 1035UT  G7-AVG=+070,+036,+009
GOES6-MAX=P:+107NT@ 2048UT   GOES6-MIN=E:-020NT@ 1712UT  G6-AVG=+079,-013,+029
 FLUXFCST=STD:138,135,130;SESC:135,130,130 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,015/012,012,020
    KFCST=2332 2223 2332 2223  27DAY-AP=087,090   27DAY-KP=5768 7444 5787 5655
 WARNINGS=*MAJFLR;*SWF
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!
Xref: sparky sci.astro:10845 rec.radio.amateur.misc:17106 rec.radio.shortwave:7510
From: wsj@triton.mti.sgi.com (Bill Johnson)
Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
Reply-To: wsj@mti.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:26:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175901.1730@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
<a bunch of crap>
|>                                    Robert E. McElwaine
|>                                    B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC

Talk about bad advertising for a university...

-- 
Bill Johnson                   10U-178                   wsj@mti.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics, Inc.                             Office:(415) 390-4283
MTI Compilers                                         Fax:(415) 969-2314
From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Star database available via FTP ???
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 08:19:55 GMT

This is probabaly well known in this group. But is there any star position
data available via FTP from anywhere?

My cousin has written an astronomy program that display stars in alt/az
format given their ra/dec coords. It all works pretty well ( for a school
project ). All he needs now is some star data. He wants to do _say_ 6000
stars down to about mag. 6.

Any help would be much appreciated. Please email as I'm not a regular in
this group.
-- 
* Steve Green     *  "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat!"    *
* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
* ITS Branch      *  "Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO"                     *
* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Creation science and moon dust theory
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:32:56 GMT

In article 718856765@ursa, tslage78@ursa.calvin.edu (Thomas Slager) writes:
>[...] there would be more dust than we found if the moon were
>as old as we think.  
>
>I have heard of this before, but can anyone tell me the reason this theory was
>shot down?  I need to throw some reality back in his face.

Moon-people, being very tidy creatures, sweep up all the extra dust
with their Moon-Hoovers.  Once in a while, they run their Moon-Hoovers
in reverse, blowing all the dust into the air toward Earth, and that's
when we have meteor showers.

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4

How can you be ignorant of something you didn't know in the first place?
                                                      - Choo

Xref: sparky sci.astro:10717 sci.space:14436
From: higgins@fnalc.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
Subject: Too thin for light pressure? (was Re: Diesen sphere or Strungen Sphere)
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:38:09 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalc.fnal.gov

In article <1992Oct14.001905.25147@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, sl25@cus.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton) writes:
[uh-oh, Steve lost the antecedents, but he was referincing a Josh Hopkins(tm)
posting...]
> |> A Dyson sphere with a radius of one A.U. (as postulated in the Start Trek 
> |> episode to which the poster refered - it's also a nice round number) and 1 km
> |> thick would require about 10e17 cubic km of materials. 
 [...]
> have a VERY thin shell, supported by the light pressure inside and perhaps
> passing power to external orbitting habitats. A 1AU shell for the sun would be
> about 3 microns thick (if made of rock) and would mass no more than a medium
> sized moon.

I doubt whether 3 microns is enough to be reasonably opaque, let alone
a nearly perfect reflector (which you want when building a solar
sail.)  I don't have a handbook handy, but I think you need dozens of
microns of aluminum to make a good reflector.  Eric Drexler ran into the
transparency problem when he was trying to design the most lightweight
possible sail (in his previous life, before he achieved fame as Mr.
Dinky).

During the first and second stage         Bill Higgins   
flights of the vehicle, if a serious      Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
irretrievable fault should occur and      HIGGINS@FNALB.BITNET
the deviation of the flight attitude of   HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV
the vehicle exceeds a predetermined       SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS 
value, the attitude self-destruction
system will make the vehicle
self-destroyed. 
     --Long March 3 User's Manual
     Ministry of Astronautics, People's Republic of China (1985)
Xref: sparky sci.astro:10826 sci.space:14490
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
Subject: Re: Diesen sphere or Strungen Sphere
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:32:23 GMT

jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins) writes:
>sl25@cus.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton) writes:
>>> Where is there enough stuff to build out of?
>>The answer of course is that you don't build it 1km thick. Using all the
>> available
>>matter we get about 1m thick, which would be plenty to plate solar collectors
>>on.
>But here's where I pull the ace out of my sleeve.  The vast majority of the 
>solar system isn't rock.  It's hydrogen, helium and other stuff not especially
>well suited to construction.

If the goal is just capturing solar energy, as Dyson postulated, most of that
hydrogen can be used far enough out in the solar system where it *is* rock
(to catch the "leaks" around the plates closer in where real "rock" is needed).
I guess you'd need a thin plate around a chunk of frozen hydrogen to prevent
sublimation, but that's much less material.  And as someone else pointed out,
by the time a civilization is ready to try this stunt, a simple trick like
bulk transmutation is hardly a stumbling block...
From: midkiff@btr.btr.com (Neil E. Midkiff  midkiff@btr.com)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Pseudoscience (was Re: ...EARTHQUAKES...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:07:52 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM


In a previous article ss6349@tyr.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich) writes:
>Subject: Re: THE TRUE CAUSE & ORIGIN OF EARTHQUAKES...
>Keywords: Pseudoscience
>
>   In regard to the four part series on THE TRUE CAUSE & ORIGIN OF
>EARTHQUAKES (AND THEIR PREDICTION) posted by lockhart@uci.edu (Jack C.
>Lockhart).
>
>   I'm glad the above articles were posted.  It's good to remind people
>that pseudoscience is still alive and well.  A few pointers to recognize
>pseudoscience when you see it...
>
>[good points about misuse of jargon, pompous verbosity instead of math,
>paranoiac attitudes, blindness to obvious weaknesses in argumentation,
>and so forth... not repeated here]

In addition to Steven's useful list, I can't avoid bringing up another
warning sign which, though not conclusive, sets off alarms in my mind
even before the article itself shows up on my screen.

Of course, I'm referring to SHOUTING IN THE SUBJECT: LINE.

Have the rest of you noticed that many of the weakest, least convincing
postings are labeled in ALL CAPITALS in the Subject: header?

Just looking over the contents of my KILL file for sci.astro reminded me
of this.  If the EARTHQUAKES and UFO EVIDENCE postings don't convince you, 
let me bring up the STRUCTURE OF TIME.  (On second thought, don't let me 
bring it up.)

I've got a question for the real UNIX hackers out there.  Is there a way
to write a regexp that matches any string of ALL CAPITALS (and typical
punctuation like spaces, commas, and such) which could go in a KILL file
to get rid of these postings?  I wouldn't want it to delete posts with
acronyms in them (such as "SETI positive?") so the whole string would
need to be checked.

If there's an easy way to do this, please follow up to this article.

Thanks!
-Neil
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Creation science and moon dust theory
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:51:34 GMT

In article <1bfp66INN4cc@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
>
>The best analysis of this issue I've seen, actually, was in the Straight Dope,
>from which I now quote:

...excellent answer deleted...

I've seen "The Straight Dope" referenced several times.  Is it a book?
A newspaper column?  More info is appreciated.

--
In the midst of the word he was trying to say,|McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com
     In the midst of his laughter and glee,   |Me, speak for Compaq?  
He had softly and suddenly vanished away---   |Yeah, right.
     For the Snark *was* a Boojum, you see.   |#include <stddisclaimer.h>
From: combs@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Group 70/Laser Guide Star BBS
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:39:11 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS


A computer bulletin board service has been established to provide news
and discussion about the Large Amateur Telescope Project, directed by
GROUP 70. GROUP 70 has been formed to realize the fabrication and
operation of a 70 inch amateur telescope.  The primary mirror is
currently being polished to f/3. The bulletin board service will 
provide a forum for opinions on the fabrication techniques, construction,
and ultimate use of the finished telescope.  
     Since GROUP 70 is in fact an international organization, the BBS
also is intended as a way for members who have supported the effort by 
their membership to play a more active role in the organization, even
if they are physically remote from the fabrication facilities.  The
BBS will include GIF files of work in progress, and also contains items
of general interst to astronomy.  The same BBS has information and files
about the Laser Guide Star Project underway at Lawrence Livermore 
National Lab.
     The BBS phone number is (510) 443-6146. Hours are from 5 to 11:59PM
Pacific Time.  These calls are to the San Francisco Bay area.  The
service is rather new, so please leave a message if you have any 
difficulties.  A voice line to contact the SYSOP is (510) 443-8489 before
10PM Pacific Time.  Send Email for more information.

Rich Combs                              combs@vaxr.llnl.gov
From: rclark@lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Clark x4971)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: recovering meteorites (was Re: Fireball, Meteorite)
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:51:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.


What ever happened to the Prairie Network made famous by the recovery of
the Lost City Meteorite? Not that its coverage extended to the Northeast
where the current incident is alledged to have occurred, but the recent
news has left me wondering about it.

Richard Clark
rclark@lpl.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: Mars Observer and the "Face"
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.193315.14547@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.124423.1@stsci.edu>, gawne@stsci.edu writes...
>>In article <1992Oct12.150056.9477@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, 
>>randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
>> 
>>> Can someone at NASA post NASA's thoughts one way or another regarding the
>>> Mars Observer and the Martian "face"? 
>> 
>>Oh boy.  Along these lines, I've looked thru my Atlas of Mars trying to
>>find this "feature" without success.  Perhaps someone can point me to
>>a specific page and map?  Or did the face come from the same survey that
>>showed us the dinosaurs that resembled iguanas?
>> 
>>I've always pretty much assumed that the "face" represents a curious
>>combination of crater, interior features, and shadows.
>
>I've seen a .GIF of this feature, but I don't have coordinates.  The "face"
>in the .GIF is quite realistic, however it is obvious that the sun is low
>on the horizon so there probably isn't an actual face there, it is a
>combination of shadows and features. ,,,
>

Well, I have heard DePietro (who 'discovered' the face) speak here at Goddard.
From memory, the face appears in at least two different images, with two dif-
ferent sun angles.  Although the resolution is much better in the image to
which you refer above, it appears like a face in both.  Unless I am very much
mistaken DePietro, who is an image enhancement expert (he has copatented a 
technique referred to as the 'starburst enhancement technique' or some such) 
contends that there is reason to believe that it really shaped like a face in
three dimensions.  In his talk he also showed us two other features, in 
geologically similar regions of Mars, which had a very similar appearence. 
Both were smaller, however.  DePietro has suggested that 'the' face is the
largest known example of some uncommon, though not unique, Martian terrain 
feature of unknown origin.

DePietro is a serious scientist/engineer, and takes care to disassociate him-
self from crackpots.

He has also published a very interesting book on unusual Martian surface
featrues including the face, and what appears to be a geyser.

My apologies if I have distorted his views, but this where he stood two or 
three years ago, to the best of my recollection.

As a humorous side note:  During his talk someone in the audience looked at
the enhanced image and said "It looks like Elvis to me!"   Within one week
the National Enquirer had a headline "Statue of Elvis Found on Mars."
Yes, I was there to see it happen.
--
dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov  
 |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |
 |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |
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"To me all times are soon." -- Aslan
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Elements for Toutatis??
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:51:16 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>Anyone have the orbital elements for asteroid Toutatis??

(4179) Toutatis

epoch = 2449000.5 JDT  (1993 Jan. 13.0)
Coordinate system: Earth ecliptic and equinox of 2000.

a = 2.5054657 au
e = 0.6398552
argument of perihelion  = 276.28088 deg.
long. ascending node    = 126.48232 deg.
inclination to ecliptic = 0.46674 deg.
mean anomaly at epoch   = 15.05348 deg.
From: w.teschner@abbs.hanse.de (Wolfgang Teschner)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Celestron C5 is back!
Reply-To: w.teschner@abbs.hanse.de
Date: 08 Oct 92 00:13:00 MET
Distribution: sci
Organization: ABBS AstroMail, D-W 2121 Dahlenburg / Germany
X-Version: ZerUU V6.45c

Hi,
I can comment as a friend of a C-5 owner, who is NOT impressed by 
the scope! The big mirror in the middle of the lightcone (sorry I 
forgot the english word for FANGSPIEGEL) destroys much of a potentially
good image. The mirror is 55mm diameter, taking away 20 percent of the
light and lots of contrast (excuse me, Leigh, I found no better words
right now).
bye,
wolfgang teschner, wiesbaden, germany

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From: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Discrete Red Shifts
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:38:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct14.133803.649
Reply-To: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)
Organization: Group 101, MIT Lincoln Lab.
Originator: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)


In article <Bw3FKv.CDM@well.sf.ca.us>, metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
|> 
|> mock@space.mit.edu (Patrick C. Mock) writes:
|> 
|> > In summary the PSA is notorious for false alarms and it can be fooled by
|> > nonperiodic correlations.  ...  I will remain skeptical of these results
|> > until Tifft, Guthrie, Napier, etc. use better tools to analyze their data.
|> 
|>      There is just one thing wrong with your skeptical analysis of the
|> redshift periodicity, and speculations about what might have caused a false
|> signal: The uncorrected observed redshifts show no significant periodicities
|> whatever.  Only after redshifts in all directions are corrected for the
|> galactic rotation of the Sun and orbital motion of the Earth does the
|> periodicity pop out.  The same periodicity has now appeared in two different
|> independent samples of galaxies.  PSA (power spectrum analysis) was the tool
|> available to the researchers.  It may not be the best possible tool, but it
|> is certainly adequate for this purpose.  The resulting periodicities have
|> undeniable statistical significance.

  BULL.  1)  *Of course* the periodicity only shows up when you remove the
30 km/sec smearing from earth's motion - neglecting it is utter stupidity.
As others have well stated, nonperiodic correlations in the underlying
population can easily spoof PSA, since PSA assumes *any* correlation is a
periodic signal.  The suggestion of the Bayesian analysis recently published
in ApJ (Gregory and Loredo, ApJ 398, p.146), is a good start.  As a ex-pulsar
astronomer, I can tell you that you have to be *very* careful with any
power spectral analysis when trying to *detect* a periodic signal.

-- 
Dr. Marty Ryba                     |	Generation X:
Group 101 - Air Defense Techniques |
MIT Lincoln Laboratory             |  Too young to be cynical,
ryba@ll.mit.edu                    |		too old to be optimistic.
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Mars Observer and the "Face"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 12 OCT 92 10:48:31    


Hi, sci.astro...
Probably bad timing for another new-agey touchy-feely topic, but here goes...

Can someone at NASA post NASA's thoughts one way or another regarding the
Mars Observer and the Martian "face"? This is a hot topic of late over in
alt.alien.visitors. It would probably be a good idea to head off the 
government conspiracy theories early and avoid the rush.

Does NASA even have an opinion on this? Is any hi-res coverage planned? There
are all kinds of rumors flying, including "the hi-res camera isn't easily
pointable, so no hi-res coverage is planned"... how about clarification?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of the real universe.

-Tom R.  randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: slane@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Patrick Slane)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: X-ray map of N. California
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:01:09 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

From article <765529.16756@ABBS.zer.sub.org>, by m.breunig@abbs.hanse.de (Max Breunig):
> 
> 
> From: UUCP/Sci/Astro
>>Betrifft         : X-ray map of N. California
>>Erstellungsdatum : 07.10.92 18:08
>>
>>From: J103680@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
>>Message-Id: 92279.49812.J103680@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
>>Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
>>
>>I am searching for an X-ray map of Northern California to
>>reveal caves and caverns underground.  Know of any sources?
>>
> 
> Sounds interesting !
> I have never heard of any X-ray maping of earth.
> Knows anyone of such a project and some details on it ?
> 

A quick look at x-ray absorption lengths for any typical material making
up solid earth will show that such a scheme is impossible. The x-rays
will be absorbed after a few inches at most. (Not to mention the fact
that it would be kind of tough to get the x-ray detector underneath
California to record the image - even if x-rays _could_ penetrate to
cavern depths...).

..........................................................................
						"Images of broken light
Pat Slane					 Which dance before me
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics	  like a million eyes
slane@cfa.harvard.edu				 They call me on and on
						 Across the Universe"
..........................................................................
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