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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Getting rid of pacifier
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:34:09 GMT

In article <C03JHy.3D3@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen) writes:

>I know cat lovers are going to nail me for this one,

I suppose the idea of "truth lovers" nailing you didn't even enter your
mendacious little noggin, did it?

Now that you've looked up "mendacious", let's continue.

>but we had quite a time
>getting our daughter to give the bottle and pacifier up.  One day, at age
>2.5, I gathered up all the bottles and 'gickies's up and put them in deep
>storage.  When she awoke, and wanted a bottle, I told her that a neighborhood
>cat had come in and stolen them.  (The neighborhood is overrun with cats 
>belonging to irresponsible pet owners who let them run loose all the time.)
>She accepted that, and now dislikes cats.

Great idea!  Don't know how to solve a problem?  Just LIE your way
out of it!  Who cares?  It's only a kid, right?

Would you like it if YOUR CHILD lied to YOU to evade responsibility for
an action she knew YOU wouldn't like?  Well, you'd better get used to
it, if this is the kind of example you set.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:48:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.062310.3755@adobe.com>, riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
> 
> Anyway, I'm concerned about Dave.  He hasn't had chicken pox and 
> we figure it's only a matter of time until he comes down with them.
> How bad is chicken pox in adults?  What are possible complications
> and is there anything that we can do now to make his case milder?


Timely question, sicne I just had a chat with my 14-year-old
babysitter on this topic.  She hasn't had the chicken pox yet
either, and it seemed to me that at her age she ought to get
the chicken pox vaccine.  But she abhors shots and would rather
risk getting the disease.   What are the risks for a teenageer?
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
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From: knighton@world.std.com (Gwen Knighton)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:34:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.062310.3755@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>
>
>Anyway, I'm concerned about Dave.  He hasn't had chicken pox and 
>we figure it's only a matter of time until he comes down with them.
>How bad is chicken pox in adults?  What are possible complications
>and is there anything that we can do now to make his case milder?
>He called his doctor, but the best information the nurse could give
>him was, "Stay away from your daughter."  Well, duh, he's already
>been exposed.  

Kathie--
 
Chicken pox in adults is, in my experience, a nightmare.
I contraced chicken pox when I was 8.5 months pregnant with Gavin (10 mo).
The only thing that made me feel better was Aveeno baths. It was awful. I
was so hugely pregnant that my belly stuck over the top of the bathtub. At
one point my mother took a tea pitcher and poured the bathwater over me.
Ick. Fortunately for you, Dave's probably not pregnant :-).
 
There's pretty much nothing you can do about chicken pox; it just has to
run its course. If you don't want to spend the horrendous amounts of money
for Aveeno, you can use regular oatmeal which has been ground in a
blender, but be prepared for tub scum for days. You can also apply an
oatmeal pack to the face and other itchy-scratchy areas. All the oatmeal
solutions really do is cut down on the itching (I can still feel it,
believe me!).
 
If Dave gets a fever or anything, aspirin or other analgesics will not
aggravate the existing condition.
 
Hope this helps--and tell Dave it could be a lot worse!
 
(of course, there's always the off chance he might not get 'em --heck, I
waited 'til I was 26!)
 
Gwen
 
Gwen Knighton          knighton@world.std.com         (harpist for hire)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
  When you have killed, and your bowl it is spilled, and your shoes are
        clean outworn,
  Back you will speed, for all that you need, to Oak and Ash and Thorn!
                        --Rudyard Kipling

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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:45:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.085253.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>Why am I anxious?  Why is this national news?  What is it about some 
>stories that captures the attention of the public, while other 
>stories just die?  The Marin Independent Journal, a paper I seldom 
>read now that I no longer live in Marin County (just north of San 
>Francisco in California), had an article about child neglect, next to 
>their article about the Schoo's.  They said that their are several 
>hundred cases of child neglect just in Marin County every year, and 
>two sililar cases of child abandonment.  One was a mother playing 
>tennis at a neighbor's house, and the other a mother who went to San 
>Francisco on New Year's eve to celebrate.  In both cases the mother 
>were very irate that the authorities had come and taken their kids!
>

  What are some general guidelines about how old a child has to
  be and the period of time left alone?

  For example:
  under 10, never left alone.
  10-12 left alone while mother works
  13-15 overnight
  16+ vacation

  (Notice I just made these up, I don't know, so I'm asking if there
  are any guidelines available).  I seem to remember in high school
  where people's parents would go to the Philippines and it would
  be party time at their house.  

  Also for the under 10, is it okay to step out and throw out the
  garbage or do you have to drag the child along?  How do single
  parents do these chores?  In our case, my husband can throw out
  the garbage while I watch Tony.  How about reparking the car from
  one side of the street to the other?  Nowadays I take Tony with me, 
  and then it's a struggle to yank him out of the car since he wants 
  to play with the steering wheel and it's freezing.  In the summer 
  I just let him play with the steering wheel for a while after 
  I repark the car.

  When I have the new baby, I'm going to have to drag her out with me
  and plop her into the car seat every day just to park from one side
  of the street to the other.  I would be too scared to leave her alone
  since I heard that they can die of smoke inhalation in less than
  a minute.  This lady in New York City left her baby in the crib and went
  to the store across the street, and when she returned the baby was
  dead from smoke inhalation.  They didn't charge her though since she
  already suffered a great loss.  But she was only gone for 5 minutes!

  So does anyone know the official word about how old and what period
  of time?
From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Protecting children in Public Schools
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:58:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



 
 
                   [original letter deleted]
 
I think this letter is just a blanket letter that includes anything that
may offend anyone.  It'd need lots of revision to be useful to most
people.  I think kids need to learn about most of this stuff but many
people don't want their kids being taught things like: There is nothing
wrong with being homosexual.
 
A little over twenty five years ago, someone got arrested because he
taught the theory of evolution in a classroom.  Now teachers face
getting
fired or arrested for teaching anything about religious beliefs.  I read
an article about a group of students getting together by the flagpole
after school to pray.  The police came and arrested them.  Both these
extremes are wrong and I think the schools need to find some middle
ground between these two.  The extreme we're at now is the reason that
things like this letter are popping up.

-- 
================================================================
| R. Stacy Sherman     cd248@cleveland.freenet.edu or          |
| GEnie: R.SHERMAN2    stacy@uhhacb.uhh.hawaii.edu             |
================================================================
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:50:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) says:

>In article <1993Jan7.195156.13979@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>>>
>>>This fits in with the thread though it's a new question ...
>>>
>>>I was impressed by the answer on dealing with Christmas trees and food
>>>throwing.  So here's a hypothetical question -- what should you do if
>>>are taking a shower and the toddler insists on wandering away, out of
>>>sight?  Do you have to give in and take the shower when another parent
>>>is there (then what if you're single?) or is there a way of
>>>enforcing/ensuring that they stay in view?  
>>>
>>>
>>My wife, when I am out of town, closes the door and gets her interested in some
>>activity that can be done in the bathroom. Needless to say the shower is a
>>quick one.

Even if I'm not alone in the house, I often bring my daughter into the
shower with me.  (Am I the only parent who does this?)  Sometimes I'm
just longing for a shower by myself and this isn't at all appealing, but
often it's a great solution. 

A morning shower thoroughly cleans off the all-night-pee smell, warms
her up so that she can run around naked (which she loves) for at least a
few minutes before getting dressed, and helps to get her stuffy nose
running and clear (in the winter she has a stuffy nose at least half of
the time and, of course, blowing her nose was fun *last* month but not
*this* month!).  Part of the time, I hold her in my arms and we both
stand under the water, which she *loves*.  She practically melts into my
arms, gets all warm and relaxed and mellow.  Part of the time (while I
soap and shampoo), she just hangs out on the tub bottom and plays with
bath toys.  I also find that it's often easier to shampoo her hair in a
shower because the running water on her head seems to be less of an
affront than pouring water over her head in the tub.

- Cindy
mom to Abigail, b. 6/3/91
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: airport playground
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:35:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

The airport here -- Raleigh Durham International -- has one of the neatest
I have ever seen.  It was designed by an interior decorator firm in town
called "Off the Wall".  They incorporate 3-dimensional things in thei
designs.  At the airport there is a room with what looks like a kiddie
size airplane nose section.  It has about six real seats with seatbelts
and the whole works.  The cockpit has lights and dials that look real
and several sets of head phone looking contraptions that you can really
hear control tower people talking .  The entire airplane section
has piped in airplane noise you know that kinda muffled buzz.
on the other side of the room is a little booth you walk through, like
the metal detectors, that beeps. and a little control tower with more 
headsets and a little screen with radar looking thingsflashing across it.
 The walls are painted like sky with clouds and the carpet is green
and black with lines.  It's so cool.
But. . .like someone has already said, unless you have a long wait or
your

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From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Circumcision etc.
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:20:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.002832.7613@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.093449.21600@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>And as another private poster wrote, how many of you antis are writing from
>>a position of ivory tower ignorance?  Sure, theoretically it's very easy to
>>take care of an uncirced penis, but real life is often different from
>>theory, and there are many people out there who just don't do it, and who
>>may end up suffering as a result.
>
>Well, I am the circumcised father of an un-circumcised 2.5 year-old.
>So far, the "care of an uncirced penis" consists of washing his penis
>just like we wash every other part of his body.  Our pediatrician tells
>us that MOST of the problems related to foreskins are due to ignorance.
>People retracting the foreskin before it is ready to clean it.  Many boys
>won't be able to fully retract until they reach puberty, and the foreskin
>should NEVER be retracted forecfully.  Our sons foreskin does not yet
>retract.
>
My 3.5YO had a problem about 3 months ago with an infection in his penis.
We don't know how it happened, but we had to take him to an urologist.
Everything cleared up just fine, in about two days and out of that he learned
how to take care of his penis himself.  We also got a good education on
the non-circumcized penis.

Care and feeding:
At birth, and up to 2-3 years: DO NOTHING
After about 3 years, try to notice how much it retracts by itself when he 
has an erection.  Then try to retract it that far, and that far only, during his
bath.  Brian calls it "looking for his hole"
Eventually, he'll be ablt to retract it fully (puberty, probably) and then it
will be of the same nature as brushing his teeth.  
We had been doing everything "right", but somehow developed a problem.
All is well now.
BTW, the urologist didn't have HIS son circumsized, either.  No need, he said.
Why mess with a good thing if you don't have to?

>>Come on people, it's a wash.  We've got statistics that regularly conflict
>>with each other...

I don't know what book you're reading, but any and all "studies" I've seen on
the subject are US studies only.  When you factor in the world-wide circumcision
rates, the  US studies just don't hold water.

>
>If it is a wash, it seems to me that this favors the view that circumcision
>should be postponed until the child can decide what he wants to do.  In my
>view, and invasive, irreversible procedure such as this shouldn't be
>performed without strong medical evidence that is neccessary.

Here, here. 

BTW, when my father found out that we weren't planning on circumsizing Brian, he had the probverbal fit.  He has no such fit when we didn't cut Michael.

Jennifer
From: ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:23:38 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Dec29.210817.5573@nntpserver.chevron.com> jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander) writes:
>>to be a problem with Alison at this point!), then tubes are the solution.
>>Otherwise, just treat the infections (either with spot antibiotics or
>>continual antibiotics).  Anyone else told this?
>>
>>	Karen
>I was told by my pediatrician that tubes were not a good solution.  We did the
>whole antibiotic thing, but my daughter Rebekah (now 4) still had breakthroughs
>and developed an allergy to Ceclor( which is really unfortunate, since it's the
>most effective drug against strep).  After two eardrums burst because of    
>pressure, I took her to an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist.  He recommended 
>doing the tubes.  He explained that with each infection, the tubes don't 
>always drain and can easily become reinfected.  He described the consist-
>ency of the fluid in her ears as "like tacky glue".  Not very fluid like in
>my book. 
>
>Well, we had the tubes inserted, and have had no problems since.  I know some
>children have recurrent problems, but our experience was fantastic.
>-- 
>Janet Tilander
>Chevron Exploration and Production Services Co.
>San Ramon, CA


Well, our pediatrician didn't seem keen on tubes either, even though
my daughter got almost continuous infections from 6 mo. to 1.5 yrs
old.  We finally persued it and got them.  She has had 2 infections
in the past year since getting the tubes, so I am very happy with
them.  She is supposed to wear earplugs though, whenever she is in
water now.  Do others do this?  I've heard of some doctors who say
no earplugs are needed.
A couple other questions:

Have others taken their 2.5 yr olds to see Aladdin?  Is it too long
for their attention span or have they enjoyed it?

My 2.5 yr old has been waking up every night lately for no
apparent reason, crying.  She either wants to come in our bed
or wants one of us to get in hers.  Neither option thrills me.
This is in combination with my 8 mo. old waking up once a night
also, wanting a bottle.  What can I do?? 

A tired mom

p.s.  Does anyone else have a child who seems to whine constantly??
I have been so frustrated lately, I have had thoughts of "Why did
I ever get pregnant?"

thanks for any help!

ivy


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From: romal@sco.COM (Romal Levy)
Subject: Santa Cruz to LA suggestions needed
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 20:17:14 GMT


Hi Folks,

I'm going to be driving down to L.A. next weekend
from Santa Cruz (just north of Monterey).  I'll
be driving alone with my 3 yr. old, who gets rather
antsy in the car for long distances and will probably
need to stop several times along the way.  I'm 
planning on taking 101 from Salinas.

Can anyone suggest places to stop along the way to
let my son run around for a while?  One place I'll
probably stop is in Paso Robles for lunch.  There's
a Carl's Jr with a nice play area.  Can anyone think
of anywhere else along the way?

As an alternative to driving, I'm also considering
taking the train.  This would be an 8 hr. trip --
probably about as long as the car ride, but it seems
like it would be more comfortable since we could
get up and move around.  Has anyone tried this?  How
old were your kids?  Did they enjoy it?  Did you go
nuts? ;-)  (The plane is out -- it's too expensive.)

Please email your response.  Our news server has been
unreliable lately.

Thanks,

Roma

romal@sco.com
From: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Measles vaccine and passing on immunity
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:19:15 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


In article <93006.153354CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>, CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris
Himes) writes:
|> Over the holidays I caught an interesting article in the Denver paper.  It
|> seems that cases of measles among infants, under 12 months, are becoming a
|> larger share of the annual measles infections.  The apparent explanation is
|> that the vaccine that is given for measles in childhood does not cause the
|> same level of antibodies to be developed by an individual.  Now that a
|> larger share of mothers are women who were immunized for measles, as opposed
|> to having actual measles, they are not passing on the same level of immunity
|> to their children as in the past.  Infants are not as well protected and are
|> more vulnerable.

Also it is possible for the measles vaccination to wear off.  I was vaccinated
as a child but discovered I no longer had the immunity when I had my pre-
marital blood test a few years ago and had to be revaccinated.  One of my
girlfriends has had to be vaccinated several times.  So perhaps the moms
aren't passing on the immunity (though the breast milk I assume you meant) 
because they, themselves are no longer immune.

Valerie
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pinata Control
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:06:35 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

We had a homemade pinata at my son's 6th party (with 5 kids attending).
We colored on the outside of one paper bag with handles, then put
2 more bags inside it.  My son decided to put some treats in between each
pair of bags as well as inside the innermost bag.  Then we stapled
the bags closed and hung it from the swing set using a rope
through the handles.

As it turned out, the goodies-in-3-places gave us a 3-stage pinata 
as each bag broke at different times.  The kids had to wait till
I counted to 3 before grabbing for the goodies -- this gave the kid with the
blindfold enough time to get the blindfold off.

I guess all the boys were equally agressive/successful at getting enough treats -
I don't recall any complaints of "He got more than me" or any wistful/hurt looks.

I personally like your idea of bags with names, making the pinata a little
more like a cooperative game.
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:33:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165451.6371@webo.dg.com> eal@dg.UUCP (Erik Lee) writes:
>
>smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
>> One of the concerns about the vaccine is that the extent of the protection
>> isn't known.  Chickenpox in children is almost completely benign, but it's
>> between very unpleasant and quite serious in adults.  Trading a mild
>> illness for a serious one 30 years later is no bargain!
>
>My wife says that it is a common thing for parents to intentionally expose
>their children to chickenpox before they hit puberty, after which it can cause
>sterility, and, it sounds like, is just generally more serious. I'd never heard
>of anyone doing this, though i guess it sounds like it makes sense. Does
>anybody
>out there do this?

I think you may be thinking of mumps.

Regarding purposely exposing children to something as prevalent as chicken pox,
it just doesnt seem worth it. Kids are going to be exposed numerous times as
they are growing up. They will catch it when they are ready to catch it. 

Laura Floom


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