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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Messianic Judiasm
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:19:09 GMT

In article <9212151709.AA04222@relay2.UU.NET> johnson@itzb.com writes:

>A true blue Messianic Jew

Oy.  Another one.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More questions...
Date: 20 Dec 92 09:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Kiss this article in its posterior.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Recipes in general
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:36:19 GMT

In article <9212151525.AA23720@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
>
>> If you want Hannukah traditions, just fry it in oil, anything fried in
>> oil has symbolic significance.  French fries (home made), sweet-and-sour
>> chicken (battered, deep fried chicken lumps, served with a sweet-and-sour
>> sauce with stir fried vegitables over rice), deep fried jelly doughnuts,
>> ...
>
>Okay.  Quick, without checking a dictionary!  What't the singular form
>of sufganiot?  (For a bonus, throw in `ugiot.)

Don't be silly.  Nobody can eat a single sufganiya or ugiya.
They exist only in the plural form.




-- 
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   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:23:05 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian twat
 <1992Dec19.194406.1@vxdesy.desy.de> <BzIx1H.CJH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
 <1h0g2mINNq2g@agate.berkeley.edu>

In article <1h0g2mINNq2g@agate.berkeley.edu>, lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu (Leslie
Kay) says:
>
>In article <BzIx1H.CJH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca    l
>(Pau
>A.S. Ward) writes:
>>rub it in!) CANADA won the WORLD SERIES!  HA!  Yes the American national
>>pastime is now no longer in American hands!
>>
>>:-)
>
>Last I checked, Canada is part of North America....

The term American has come to refer to things pertaining to the US today,
the only people who use American in a broader term are Americans who feel
expansive. You can call us North Americans but don't come to Canada and
start calling us Americans, it's a bit like calling the Irish, British
>
>Leslie
>
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:39:23 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <davidh.724518925@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> davidh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Klein) writes:
>
>If everybody believes in an eye for an eye,
>doesn't that leave the world blind?

No, it doesn't. It means compensation for those who have lost
eyes; it means that the people who put out other people's eyes
end up a bit poorer.

If the world followed "ayin tachit ayin", the world would be a
lot better off, IMHO.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:22967 alt.atheism:23677
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:52:11
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
	<1992Dec14.164010.23173@news.columbia.edu>
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	<1992Dec14.214931.5214@Princeton.EDU>
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In-reply-to: jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:49:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.214931.5214@Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein) writes:

   If there is God, we ought to treat our fellow man with the
   respect that virtually every religion tells us He commands. And, if
   there is no God, then our fellow human beings are all we've got, and we
   ought to treat them with the respect we would hope they'd show us.

Very well said (as a member of both groups)!
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From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Gerev
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:54:51 GMT
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In article <1992Dec14.133817.22052@icd.teradyne.com> yaffe@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>In article 1gff1jINNb9e@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu, jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>>As near as I can tell from five minutes of research, gerev
>>meaning "sock" is masculine and derives from the Arabic
>>jawrab.
>>
>>Jack F. Love
>
>
> . . or is it that "jawrab" derives from "gerev" ?
>---

A legitimate question. My source was Even Shushan, I didn't pretend
to have done the etymology personally. I did note that there is 
evidently no Classical source for the root with this meaning, so
I suppose its a matter of doing some legwork with Classical Arabic,
medieval Jewish sources, and some historical linguistics. But I'm
satisfied with my five minutes of work, so someone else will have
to take the plunge. :-)

Jack
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From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Originator: schwartz@baba


"And if my children have big noses,
	We're gonna keep 'em in the Five Books of Moses."

  --- Megama, early 1980's

-- 
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: re atonement thru death of a person
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:40:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Dec14.195018.24560@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
>
> Somebody asked for the Scriptural proof that a man
> could die to make atonement for sins.
>
> The reference is Isaiah 53 - it is called the FORBIDDEN CHAPTER
> since it is never read in a synagogue.  Modern copies of the Tenach
> actually delete verses 53:4 onwards.

Listen moron, the vast majority of the NEVIIM (prophets) and the KETUVIM
(writings) are *not* read in the synagogue. And *my* Tanach has Isaiah 53 as
having verses 1-12.


(rest of emetic material deleted)


Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:47:20 GMT
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Some ages ago on this thread I noted that I hadn't heard what
I considered a good Hebrew greeting for Hannukah. A couple of
people suggested Hag Sameah, but that has always bothered me
because the term "hag" in Hebrew quite specifically points
to one of the three major pilgrimage festivals (Sukkot,
Pesah, Shavu'ot). With apologies to the person who is pointing
out the greatness of Hannukah, it really doesn't rise to that
level (actually, I don't think it even gets close, but that's
for another time).

Yesterday I attended my daughter's Hannukah play, and at the
end, the principal wished everyone a "Hag Urim Sameah." Perhaps
I am the last fool on earth to have heard this greeting, but
it struck me as a simple and elegant solution to my problem.
Adding the word "urim" changes the meaning of "hag" from pointing
to the Torah festivals to one pointing directly at Hannukah 
itself ("Festival of Light(s)").

And so, to everyone here on scj, this overly picky grammarian
wishes everyone a "hag urim sameah."   :-)

-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messianic Judiasm
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:35:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Vijay Bhuchar writes...

>I just wanted to let you know about a prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27.

>Daniel writes that from the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem 
>there would be 69 multiples of 7 years before an anointed one is
>cut off (literally executed).  He wrote this in 538 BC.
>
>The decree is described in chapters 1 and 2 of the Book of Nehemiah
>and was made in the 20th year in the reign of the Persian king
>Artaxerxes.  A good encyclopaedia will confirm that this date is 445 BC.
>
>Very often the Bible consists of 360 day years.  Under this method I 
>suggest that the anointed one cut off is Jesus and hence he is the 
>Jewish Messiah.

>Elsewhere there is a prophecy about a crucifixion and another which
>states that the Messiah would die on a Passover - all fulfilled by Jesus.

    Where exactly is 'elsewhere?'


>Jewish writings such as the Talmud confirm that Jesus performed the
>greatest miracles ever.

    Please do not pretend that you know anything about Mishnah or
    Gemara.  Would you please name the tractate in which we might 
    find these 'confirmations?'  I have never seen them.


>It is quite clear that the Jewish rejection of Jesus led to a 19 century
>dispersion and punishment for us Jews.

     Why "us Jews?"  What makes you a Jew?  If you are a follower
     of Jesus, then you are, quite simply, a Christian.  Is there 
     some problem with being a Christian?  I have no problem with 
     your beliefs in Jesus.  But if you are into Jesus, you are a 
     Christian. 
     
     It's certainly nothing to be ashamed of. 
     

>The purpose of the ingathering is to achieve a mass acceptance of Jesus.

     Jews do not accept Jesus.  He didn't meet several conditions
     of Jewish messianic prophecy, the most important of which is
     the beginning of the messianic age.  Furthermore, the Jewish
     Messiah, or Moshiach, is not supernatural.  He is a man.  He
     is NOT part man, part god.  He is not supposed to be born of
     a virgin.  He is not supposed to be born, live his life, get  
     murdered on a cross, and come back as some supernatural life
     form, to try a second time to get it right.

     
>I have free booklets for you:...

     I'll bet you do.
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:29:38 +0200
Keywords: Moses supposes his noses are roses
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <Dec11.231930.43105@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
> Can anyone explain how this myth got started ?

Which one, the one about the noses being big or the noses being hooked??

The big nose myth is nonsense. It arises from the fact that Northern European
people have unusually small noses as compared to other white people. They
naturally thought that the Jews living amomg them had large noses. In
comparison with Southern and Western European people Jews do not have larger
noses.

As for the hooked nose idea, the common ancestors of the Aryan and Semitic
people probably often had noses which were "convex". This is why people in the
middle east, whether Semitic or Aryan often have convex noses. The people of
Northern and Central Europe are not pure Aryan as Hitler thought. They are a
mixture of Pre-Aryan and Aryan peoples. (The so called Nordic features are 
not Aryan but Pre-Aryan.) The Pre-Aryan people of Northern Europe probably had
concave noses and this is the most common nose shape among Northern Europeans,
however there are still many Europeans with dark Aryan! hair and Aryan! convex
noses.

As for actually hooked noses where the tip of the nose extends considerably
lower than the place where the bottom the nose joins the face (as seen in 
antisemitic cartoons) the only people I have seen who vaguely approximate this
feature have all been Scottish or French. So maybe it is a feature which
developed among Celts but it certainly isn't a Jewish feature. 


Colin
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From: mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:05 GMT

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>[...]
>                     so I told a misnagid story (the one about Rav Moshe
>Feinstein and his choosing one of three cartons of milk after carefully
>inspecting each--his bocherim were trying to figure out what the kashrus
>angle could be, but it turned out to be he was only looking for the
>freshest milk).  Having told the story, with everyone wondering why,
>I took a cholov yisroel carton out of the refrigerator, and said that
>this explains the difference between chassidim and misnagids.  The
>chassid double checks the heksher, and the misnagid double checks
>the expiration date.

The way I heard the story, Rav Moshe wasn't checking expiration dates. He
wanted to find the open carton so it would be finished before a new one was
opened.

>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
--
Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)
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From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: If I were Prime Minister
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:06:57 GMT

>In article <9212151426.AA29193@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
>> writes:
>>Re: the latest murder of an Israeli.  After hearing about the latest
>>kidnapping and murder of the Border Policeman, if I were Prime Minister for
>>the day, I would authorize the immediated PUBLIC HANGING OF THE SHIEK.
>
>Don't you want to draw-and-quarter him first?
>
>Norman Miller
Forgot about that, before or after--no difference
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From: cm827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary Miles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kedusha of a Pipick (or Contemplating your Navel)
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:28:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Did Adam and Chavah have pipicks (belly buttons), or
were their children the first to have pipicks?

We know that Adam was created "b'tzlem elokim" (in the
image of G-d) and that everything in this (physical)
world has a counterpart in the spiritual world.
So what can we say about the pipick?

Brain teaser:  A man entered a cave and found a couple of
(well preserved) bodies.  He ran out shouting that he found
the graves of Adam and Chavah.  How did he know?

Brain teaser 2:  What does this have to do with Channuka?   
-- 
Gary Miles
Strategic Thinking and Investments
email: stigmiles@mcimail.com
Palo Alto, California
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From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: How to crochet kippot (summary -LONG)
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:26:05 GMT

In article <Pine.3.05.9212160047.A3021-a100000@alsys1>, Seth Ness
<ness@aecom.yu.edu> writes:
|> several years ago i saw for the first and only time in my life, a kippah
|> where the entire base was a picture, not just a strip along the edge( this
|> is crocheted, not painted) This one was an indian bonnet, with the face on
|> one side and the feathers extending across to the other side. i imagine
|> that this was incredibly hard to design and knit, but it was amazing
|> looking. does anyone know anything about this type of design?
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
|> ness@aecom.yu.edu                      
|> 
Yes.  My daughter made one or two in the pattern of an entire (round) slice of
watermelon: dark green outside, lighter green inside that, and reddish-pink on
the inside -- complete with black and white seeds!
|> 

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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: STOP Spreading Jewish Stereotypes!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)

In article <emc.724557082@ro>, emc@doe (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>In <Dec17.010114.55602@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>**************************************************************
>>I RECENTLY HAD A "CONVERSATION" WITH MADDI HAUSMANN
>>TELL ME   WHAT  YOU  THINK OF THIS MESS.

>Yup, its a mess alright!  Especially since we've seen this posting
>for the 50th time.

Actually, it was only three times, but who's counting?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.152648.25092@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> nwf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NICOLE WHITNEY FOX) writes:
>In article <BzEw9D.K70@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Pau
>l A.S. Ward) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.114533.33750@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (M
>ICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>
>>>Jews for Jesus, aren't they just Goys who speak Hebrew with a forked tongue.
>>>IF you are for Jesus Christ you can't be Jewish now can you, You'd pretty
>>>much, by definition have to be _Christ_ian.
>>
>>Now, we've been through all this before.  Yes, you CAN be Jewish, even if
>>you are not following Judaism.  If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish!
>>So, like it or not, there are indeed Jewish Christians out there, (though
>>they are not part of the set of Legitimate Interpretations :-) just as there
>>are New Age Jews, and Buddist Jews, and Hindu Jews, and Athiest Jews, and so
>>on and so on and so on ...
>>
>Hmmmm.  I didn't realize that Judaism is a race, and not a religion.  What
>does that make me?  A Jewish Jew?

Judaism is not a race. It is a religion that you cannot quit. One can be
non-observant, or even xtian, but one is still a Jew, just a very bad one.

CHappy Chanukkah,
Dima
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From: jmm22@po.CWRU.Edu (Jered M. Moses)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Holocaust Poem
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:13:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jmm22@po.CWRU.Edu (Jered M. Moses)
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Hoping someone can help me here....
I'm looking for a full citation on a Holocaust poem.
The poem is rather famous, and it goes something like:

They came and took away the Russians,
And I said nothing, because I'm not a Russian.
...[about a billion such categories]
Then they came to take me,
And there was no one left to defend me.

If you have any idea what I'm talking about, or any ideas on how to find it,
please EMAIL (don't re-post -- my usenet access is really flakey) me at:

jmm22@po.cwru.edu

Thanks!

--Jered Moses
-- 
jmm22@po.cwru.edu   | "From childhood's hour I have not been |   Quote from
gerules@rhostshyl.  |  As others were -- I have not seen     |   "Alone," a
  cit.cornell.edu   |  As others saw -- I could not bring    |     poem by
The Lifeless One    |  My passions from a common spring."    | Edgar Allen Poe
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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Holiday Calendar 1993, 1994, some 1995
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:14:10 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) wrote in
<1992Dec9.182453.25798@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>:

| The reason is that that particular configuration, while not as difficult as
| the three that were completely eliminated (YK on Friday/Sunday and Hoshana
| Rabbah on Shabbos), is still more difficult than the others.  In the YK
| on Thursday years, erev Pesach is Shabbos, which makes Hamotzi that morning
| rather a complex issue.  In addition, Purim falls on Friday, which makes the
| Seudah difficult to hold, and Shushan Purim (when Purim is usually celebrated 
| in Jerusalem) falls on Shabbos, again complicating matters.  Thus, that 
| configuration, while not eliminated, was minimized as much as possible.

Granted that those issues do complicate the situation in those years, they
are *not* the reason such occurrences are rare.  It is purely mathematical
and nothing else.

FIRST: Monday, Wednesday, and Shabbat get double allotments of Rashei Shanim
because they inherit Rosh Hashanah whenever Moladh Tishri falls in a time
span that would have been allocated to the previous day of the week.  Tuesday
doesn't get a double portion, because when Moladh Tishri points to the day
before Tuesday, that's Monday, and Rosh Hashanah stays on Monday (usually).

SECOND: In common years, the last (approximately) nine hours during which
Moladh Tishri would cause a Tuesday Rosh Hashanah are allocated to Thursday
-- not to minimize Rashei Shanim on Tuesday but to prevent a 356-day year.

On the other hand, THIRD: At the close of a leap year, the last few hours
when Moladh Tishri would normally put the new Rosh Hashanah on Monday are
allocated *to* Tuesday to prevent a 382-day year.

If minimizing the number of Rashei Shanim on Tuesdays were the goal, Rosh
Hashanah would come on Tuesday only when we had to prevent 352-, 356-, 382-,
or 386-day years, and a lot more of the time span for Moladh Tishri that
points to Tuesday would be partitioned off to Monday or Thursday.  Such
years would be much, much rarer than they are now.

While we've gotten onto the subject, why was the decision made to keep 21
Tishri away from Shabbat rather than just advancing Hosha`na' Rabbah to
Friday the twentieth and reading 'Om Ntzurah and Qohelet on the twenty-
first?

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
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