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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:53:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

August 12
Christy "Big 6" Mathewson, 1880 (HOF)
Ray Scahlk, 1892 (HOF)
Harlond Clift, 1912
Bob Buhl, 1928
Fred Hutchinson, 1919
Ken McBride, 1935
Don Hurst, 1905
Kent Anderson, 1963

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * Edgar Martinez was justly named to
 Steve Smith                      * the all-star team. Now don't you think
 University of Washington HR-20   * TK could have let him do something more
 Seattle, WA 98195                * than pinch-hit? 2 pitches? Sheesh.
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dodgers Beat Mets Again
Date: 19 Aug 1992 23:37:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Dodgers defeated the Mets again Wednesday night and I got
to see this one in person.  Hershiser pitched OK, dodging
jams left and right while blanking the Mets for 8 innings.
I can't believe how pathetic the Mets offense is...not
one single player batting over .300 and a couple batting
under .200.  No wonder the Dodgers shut them out 17 straight
innings.

The Dodgers scored in the 4th with a two out line shot home
run by Henry Rodriquez off Dwight Gooden.  It extended
his hitting streak to 9 games, and he is hitting over
.400 during this streak.  In the fifth, the Dodgers got
another run off Gooden when Hansen and Goodwin singled,
Herhiser sacrificed successfully on a 3-2 pitch, and
Offerman singled to score the second run.

Hansen made several super plays on defense to help preserve
the win for Orel.  Orel was very tired in the 9th.  he gave
up a lead off line shot home run to Bonilla, and then walked
the next batter and left the game.  Jim Gott came on and
got three straight outs for the save.

Offerman made an error tonight, his 33rd.

Tomorrow night, Martinez tries for the sweep, which would tie
the season series with the Mets as well.

					BleedsDodgerBlue
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 23:38:11 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
 <1992Aug14.211147.1014@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Aug14.235932.5347@honte.uleth.ca> <1992Aug15.030248.1261@cs.cornell.edu>

tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

     I'm curious about how people feel on this. Suppose Clemens
     finishes with a 20-9 record and 2.25 ERA, and Eckersley
     finishes with a 6-1 record, 54 saves, and a 2.00 ERA on a
     division-winning team. (These are both conceivable outcomes,
     I would say.) Who would you vote for Cy Young?

For relief pitchers, especially closers, earned run average means
little, if anything. An Eckersley with an ERA of 2.00 cannot be
said to be better than a Clemens with an ERA of 2.25. Why? Because
Eckersley would not have pitched at least half as many innings as
Clemens. Besides, a closer's effectiveness is gauged by how many
base runners inherited do not score. For that, I'd give my vote to
Clemens. I agree with a previous poster: the relief pitcher has in
itself become a "position," and it would not be going too far to
create a special award for relievers. I wouldn't base it on the
Rolaids relief man award, though. Let the writers vote for it.
After all, is a reliever all that good if on 3/4 of his wins he
blew another pitcher's lead?
+===============================================================+
||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
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From: foonberg@Aero.org (Alan Foonberg)
Subject: Re: Mets BLAST Dodgers to avoid SWEEP
Reply-To: foonberg@aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:34:05 GMT

In article <l99253INNob9@mizar.usc.edu>, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
|> Franco pitched the ninth inning.  After getting two quick outs, he
|> pitched a real tight inside pitch to Offerman that almost hit him
|> (at the ankles).  Offerman seemed mad and retaliated with a home
|> run, his first of the year.

More interesting, is that this was Offerman's first home run since he hit one
in his first major league at bat a couple years ago.
-- 
Alan Foonberg
foonberg@aero.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: Don Soucy <AB47@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Canada's National Team
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:27:54 GMT

In article <Bt8xqI.7H3@zoo.toronto.edu> rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes:
>If the Jays are now seen as "Canada's National Team," I don't think
>that it has anything to do with French-Canadian vs. English-Canadian.
>Rather, I think that it is a reflection of how the two teams have been
>marketed and supported at home.
>[some stuff deleted]       CTV took up the
>telecasts of the Jays, and as the Jays got better and the Expos worse,
>the popularity changed.
>                   [ .... ]
>                     But if any team was ever touted as Canada's
>National Team it was was Expos (before the Jays arrived); the Jays
>may have become that in some peoples' minds, but that has never been
>touted by the press.
>
------------------
>.I certainly agree with your point about marketing, but not about
the press.  Perhaps where you are from, the press does not stress the
Jays as a national team ... and why should they, since the Jays are
your local team in southern Ontario.  But in other areas of Canada the
Jays get coverage as if they are the home team.  Vancouver newspapers,
>.for example, give extensive coverage to the Jays.  The CBC also hypes
the Blue Jays too much for my liking.  Of course, the CBC and other
press in Canada report on the Expos.  I think you are right, though,
that as the Jays got better they got more popular.  The
Canadian press reflected this.

Don Soucy

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Wells/Gaston
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.214605.22664@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Nobody Kirsch) writes:
>
>Please, oh please, let it be. But Steve, have you looked at Mr. Oates lineup
>lineup construction model lately? I'm thanking my lucky stars above that Cal 
>is hitting #3, Glenn Davis #4 and Milligan #5 while the O's best power
>hitters are #1, #2, #7 and #8 in the lineup.

The Jays are sunk.  Oates tonight went with:
Brady Anderson	(three walks and a HR, not retired once!)
RANDY MILLIGAN	(finally where he belongs)
Mike Devereaux
Sam Horn
Cal Ripken
Leo Gomez
Chito Martinez
Chris Hoiles	(who is in a slump)
Billy Ripken

I may have gotten the last four confused, but the first five I got
right.  This isn't quite what I would use, but it is at least half
way there.

>  I'm trying to remember who has Wells in our league. I think it was the team
>that was first in ERA. I say *was* because he probably just dropped to fourth
>or fifth. 

:-) I *know* who has Wells in my league.  My next closest competition
is who...  :-)  Sorry, Tim!

(BTW, how much did that one outing affect Wells' ERA?)

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:16:37 GMT

In <Tanya_Davis.esh-120892134541@tahiti.slac.stanford.edu>, Tanya Davis writes:

>Maybe you'd want to reread my posting -- I didn't say that the Giants don't
>have clubhouse problems -- on the contrary, I said that they do have some
>individual problems (and what I had in mind was the Will Clark issue.  I
>know what some of the players think of him....and I know it's not good.  I
>even heard one player say that, in a way, he wished that he could trade
>Clark for  someone (he didn't have anyone in mind -- it was wishful
>thinking) who had everything Clark has as a player but minus his
>off-the-field personality.  But, as far as I know, ever since Chris Brown's
>leave, Clark is the only one that seems to have any controversy -- whereas
>the A's have several.  And, as I said before, they have an overall attitude
>(which Brett mentioned in a posting) that they almost flaunt.

And let's not forget the differences between Brown's attitude and Clark's.
Chris Brown never cared about the game, and always got hurt and looked for
reasons not to play.  Clark, on the other hand, perhaps cares *too much*.
Then, there are the players (for the A's or the Giants) that are just a joy to
watch.  They are the ones who are talented, those who care about the game, and
are just genuinely good people.  Joe Morgan was like that.  Dave Henderson is
too.  Of course, people like Brown and Clark get more of the off-the-field
press (and Canseco regularly leads the league in non-baseball-related stories
in the local paper).

This whole situation stinks.  I'm ashamed to admit I'm a San Jose resident.

Tim Irvin   j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Bruce Ruffin- What's u?
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:23:22 GMT

>
>Nelson's post about Crim reminded me of a pitcher I've been curious about. He 
>is Bruce Ruffin. This guy could always make me laugh. After all, only Steve 
>Trout and Ruffin could give up 4 runs in 2/3 innings without giving up a hit. 
>Even Bobby Witt isn't that wild! d::-) I recall that the Phillies traded him 
>for Dale Sveum. Does anyone have any stats on him. I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
>					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"

   Over in Brewhaland, Ruffin is 1-4 with an impressive ERA of 5.60 (a big
   drop after giving up two runs in eight innings in his last start). He has
   given up 56 hits, walked 37 and struck out 42 in 54 innings. Luckily for
   us Brewer fans, he'll be starting Tuesday night as we open up a meaningless
   three-game series with the Blue Jays. At least we got Wegman and Bosio
   going in the next two games...

   --salty
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: "The Comrades of Summer" (no spoiler)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:01:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug20.170149.7002
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

This movie was almost completely unbearable because most of the players looked
like they had never thrown a baseball before (especially that Soviet sidearm
pitcher) and yet they're supposed to be giving the World Series champions a
hell of a time.

Even more unrealistic was the portrayal of the Seattle Mariners as the World
Series champions.

The manager was a perfect representation of Bobby Valentine, though -- former
hotshot, Italian, cocky, brash, and managing a very talented and underachieving
team.  And fired.

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.220504.21696@parc.xerox.com> zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>Yep. And:
>
>[from clari.sports.baseball]
>> From his vacation home in New Hampshire, Grousbeck issued a statement
>>saying Major League Baseball's uncertain financial future with
>>escalating salaries and projected declines in broadcast rights fees had
>>caused him to have second thoughts.
>>        ``As of 1994 I project that the team's losses will increase to more
>>than $10 million per year upon the expiration of the CBS television and
>>radio agreement,'' Grousbeck said. ``I can't see my way clear to lead an
>>investor group that would make a competitive offer for the Giants, and
>>then be faced with further annual investments of that size.''
>[end excerpt]

That's nice, but it doesn't really tell us anything other than the fact
that Grousbeck doesn't want to buy the team.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: [baseball] baseball is boring
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article AA00534@efi.com, dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung) writes:
>
>     [Estas en Angla lingvo, sed Esperantig^o estas haveble.] -- Irrel@v@nt
>to English speakers.
>
>     Baseball is boring.
>
>- It is "bursty"; in other words, most people do nothing most of the time.

Not True. A pitch is usually thrown every <1 minute.

>- It is too specialised; playing cannot switch positions easily, as you
>  would switching from forecourt to middle court to hindcourt in basketball.

Greg Litton played all 9 positions in last year's Hall of Fame game. Don Mattingly
often takes grounders at short.

Ever seen a 5 (center, at real one, not Billy Owens) try to play 1 (point)?

>- It can only let the player slowly evovle its (their) skills, because it
>  stays put a lot of times.

As any sport, skills should be honed in practice not when possible, not games.
And ever heard of delayed gratification?

>- You talk more than you act, thinking how the ball should go instead off
>  constantly running and watching and moving your body in basketall.

Or, perhaps you spend a lot more time thinking. What a novel concept.

>- It is little exercise, perhaps more an entertainment to the spectators.
>
>				*Zhong* Qi-Iao, San Francisco Bay Area

Are you then willing to admit that bicycle racing and rowing are better sports that basketball?

"The ball appeared to the batter to be a slow spinning planet looming toward the
earth. For a long light-year he waited for this globe to whirl into the orbit of his
swing so he could bust it to smithereens that would settle to dust and dead leaves
in some distant cosmos. At last the unseeing eye, maybe a fortuneteller's lit 
crystal - anyway, a curious combination of circles - drifted with range of his
weapon"

  - Bernard Malamud, _The Natural_.

"...there's a lot more to watching a baseball game than keeping your eye on the ball...
you don't need base runners to enjoy the game...notice how the infielders rise on
their tes as teh ball is delivered, ready to float in whatever direction the ball is
hit. Keep an eye on the outfielders too, for if the signs have been flashed properly,
they'll not only know what kind of pitch is coming, but whether it will be on the 
inside or outside of the plate...After the ball is hit, after it has cleared
the infield...watch who is covering which base, watch to see who is backing up third
and home. You'll be amazed at the amount of movement."

"Leonardo da Vinci smiles, 'It took my years of calculations to get the distances just
right I'm pleased that it works in practical applicatoin as on paper. I think the
game has some future'"

   - W.P. Kinsella, _The Iowa Baseball Confederacy_.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Joe Torre (Was Re: Todd Zeile) [LONG]
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:24:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <BsvMAo.8xp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>I looked at Nelson Lu's most recent RC/27 numbers.  Of the Cardinals' 
>most frequent player at each position (Pagnozzi, Galarraga, Alicea,
>Zeile, Smith, Gilkey, Lankford, Jose), only two (Zeile and one other)
>are below league average, offensively.  Despite this, the offense as
>a whole has been putrid.  A couple of the reasons--no one's a huge 
>amount above league average (Ozzie's ~1.5 RC/27 above is the highest),

At the All-Star break I saw that the Cardinals were near the top in
the NL in both hitting and pitching (at least from my determination
they had the best combination of hitting and pitching in the NL East).
Since they were not in first, I assumed that they were "unfortunate"
in the first half and thus were likely to make a serious run at the
division title in the second half.  Well is hasn't happened (probably
because they didn't continue to hit and pitch at the same level) and
probably won't now.

I, for one, am surprised.  What a difference 2 weeks makes.  The
Pirates 11 game streak virtually ended the Cards and Mets title hopes
and did some major damage to the Cubs.  The Expos have hung in there
so far.  The Pirates may end up thanking the Cubs when its all over.
Just when it looked like their armor was starting to crack, they get
some desparately need pitching help.  The addition of Jackson (and
Wakefield) has made the Pirate pitching staff as good or better than
the last two years (they'll need it since the offense is not quite as
good and the bullpen has been shaky at times).

Carl
From: DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brand New Phillies/Orioles Trade
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:57:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

The Orioles traded Juan "You Can Ring My" Bell to the Phils
for Steve Scarsone.

In my Oriole Opinion-- Good riddance to bad rubbish

Can any Phils fans tell us a little bit about Scarsone.  Bell was a hot
prospect (expected to allow Cal to move to a less demanding position)
who didn't cut it last year, got beat out by Tim Hulett and Mark McLemore
in training camp, batted .196 for Rochester this year in 39 games and
.256 for Oklahoma City (he was loaned) in 24 games.  He's got no bat,
an erratic arm, and little common sense.

Dennis Shea
From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers 4, Reds 3
Keywords: Dodgers
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:28:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

In article <1992Aug14.140808.8671@aero.org>, foonberg@Aero.org (Alan Foonberg) writes:
   
|> Hard to believe the Dodgers actually won while committing 6 errors.

Not to mention that they got outhit 9-4. The problem is, this has angered the
baseball gods. No team should win when they play like that. Not even the
beloved Dodgers. The resulting punishment from the Gods? Three one run losses
to the Jints.
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    home: 3006 NW McKinley    Corvallis, OR 97330       (503)-752-8424
                            A SABR member since 1979
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriole News -
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:34:19 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>I don't think anyone will hesistate at taking Finley, Harnisch, and Schilling
>back for Glenn Davis, but why do you want to take Murray back for Milligan?

Hindsight is 20/20.  I would still take the old homerun crankin' Glenn
Davis for those guys at that time. Nobody could predict a freak nerve
injury.

   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
   \___________________________
			     \\
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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:22:01 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

Bobby Richardson, 1935
Ron Darling, 1960
Tex Carleton, 1906
Terry Harper, 1955
Gary Gaetti, 1958
Ron Roenicke, 1956
Atley Donald, 1910
Luis DeLeon, 1958
Estel Crabtree, 1903
Ned Yost, 1955

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * 
 Steve Smith                      * "We want a pitcher, not a belly itcher." 
 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
 Seattle, WA 98195                *
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: National League has abandoned the West
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:40:42 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Say it ain't so!  The recent Examiner story stated that in a straw poll
National League owners would approve a move for the Giants.  If
the Giants do in fact move, the National League will have essentially
abandoned the West.  This would leave four teams west of the Mississippi,
the Padres, Dodgers, Astros, and Rockies.  This is a disgrace.  Florida
would somehow merit as many National League teams as California!?!

Where does this leave reallignment?  Worse, this leaves many metropolitan
markets in the West underrepresented.  I'm not a Giants fan, but I like
National League baseball.  To me, American league baseball is an abomination.

Unfortunately, the closest National League team to the Bay Area is now the
*yikes* Dodgers.  I'm appalled that the Bay Area, particularly San Jose
and San Francisco, could not see fit to keep the Giants.  The San Jose
area merits particular disgrace.  San Jose would have been close enough
to move the Giants without upsetting TOO many loyal fans.  I'm appalled
that the National League could so easily discard the West.   If this
move is approved it will become principally an Eastern United States 
league.  Sick.... 

-MeatHead
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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Red Sox Protected list
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:04:16 GMT

Red Sox Protected List

Roger Clemens
Frank Viola

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