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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Exercise
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163546.4811@leela.cs.orst.edu> megs@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Meg Sisson) writes:
>
>While I was trying to restart my morning yoga program, it occurred 
>to me that I haven't seen anything about exercising while nude. I've 
>taken a few yoga classes (clothed) and gone through a few books. 
>One book did recommend practising nude in order to get more deeply 
>into the postures and not be limited by binding clothing. 
>
>I am guessing the CO resorts might offer some exercise programs 
>beyond beach volleyball :-) Does any one know of such or had any other 
>experience in nude exercises, not necessarily yoga? Does jogging 
>really require support (both male/female) or is the clothing industry 
>just trying to sell more apparel?
>
When I lived in rural North Carolina I ran nude in the woods. Now that I
live in the city (well, in a developed area anyway) I can't do this. Which
may explain why I'm gaining a little weight :-)

It's interesting to note that the word "gymnastics" comes from the Greek
meaning "naked exercise."

As for the clothing industry "trying to sell more apparel", of course...
Not to be cynical, but if you were in the clothing industry, wouldn't you?
This is much like the gasoline industry convincing us that we all need 93
octane fuel. (Not...)

mark cornick -- stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
I am not affiliated with, and thus don't speak for, UNC.

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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Exercise
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:13:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163546.4811@leela.cs.orst.edu> megs@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Meg Sisson) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am finally able to post properly to this group. And that leads to 
>my questions for you all.
>
>While I was trying to restart my morning yoga program, it occurred 
>to me that I haven't seen anything about exercising while nude. I've 
>taken a few yoga classes (clothed) and gone through a few books. 
>One book did recommend practising nude in order to get more deeply 
>into the postures and not be limited by binding clothing. 
>
>I am guessing the CO resorts might offer some exercise programs 
>beyond beach volleyball :-) Does any one know of such or had any other 
>experience in nude exercises, not necessarily yoga? Does jogging 
>really require support (both male/female) or is the clothing industry 
>just trying to sell more apparel?
  
Well swimming is the obvious choice and it's great as most people
have discovered at one time or another in their lives.
  
Something else I know about is rowing. Shoes (or some kind of covering)
are necessary else your feet chafe on the straps that hold your feet
in place. With some seats it helps to wear bottoms so you get enough
friction so you don't slide off the seat but that's not always true.
Tops aren't necessary and many female rowers don't wear bras anyway
because it's hard for them to find one that fits. All in all it works
out pretty well but lakes are better than rivers because they don't have
bridges every 500 yards.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex/Drugs/Rock-n-roll on the beach
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:13:56 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <JEW.92Aug18145407@venus.Sunquest.COM>, jew@Sunquest.COM (Ward... James Ward) writes:
>>  Maybe more people would be involved in social nudity there if they
>>didn't have the nudity=sex barrier.

> And what's wrong with sex?  :-(

Now that we've settled that, I'd like to invite discussion about using
illegal drugs while having sex in the nude at the beach.   NOT!!!!!!!!!!

Terry "just kidding" Wood
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From: jew@Sunquest.COM (Ward... James Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:54:07 GMT
 <1992Aug12.072446.1655@unixg.ubc.ca><JEW.92Aug12161658@venus.Sunquest.COM> <16ekdbINNkms@network.ucsd.edu>
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In-reply-to: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 21:32:27 GMT

>Well now, I have to ask some questions.  Is this a place people go to for
>the purpose of having sex?

Some do, some don't I suppose.  I think people are pretty much
universally interested in sex, or dead.

>Or is this a place where people go to be nude and on occasion sex
>happens?

This is more like it.  People tend to not let those they think are not
interested see them having sex.  I mean it's a big beach and there are
plenty of trees.  I have seen people relocate where only my wife and I
could see them to have sex.

>Are there families there?

Families yes, sometimes children too, but as I said, people don't just
do it on a raft in the main pool.

>How many people stay away because they don't want to be exposed to
>open sexual activity?

I can't answer that question, none I suspect.

>Are there other nude beaches in the area?

Any beach is nude if you're alone, isn't it?  I go nude when I can and
wear clothes when I have to.

>How remote is it?

About a one mile hike from the highway.

>How much is lots of sex?

I have seen sex there 25-50% of the time I go there.  Some hetero,
some homo.

>Do people look for a private spot and then not worry about it
>if someone chances by or do it in the open not caring who looks or are do
>they actually want an audience?

I think it's probably a combination of the two and differs for every
individual.  I have had people try to pick me up, and people blatanly
make love where I can see them.  I have also seen people loving each
other without any interest in anyone else.

>Is this place so far away from any
>communities that no one cares what goes on there or no one has jurisdiction?

I can't answer that question.  I am sure that "those in authority" know
about the place.

>Or do you forsee a future problem as the population of the area increases?

Problem?  With the law?  Hmmm, maybe, it's way out in the woods though.  It
should be a long, long time.

>Perhaps in Arkansas (bible belt, right?) people are so strongly bound to the
>fundamentalist teaching that nudity=sex that they are unable to separate the
>two.  Maybe more people would be involved in social nudity there if they
>didn't have the nudity=sex barrier.

And what's wrong with sex?  :-(
--
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: ORGASMS
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:17:20 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug13.231156.16391@utdallas.edu>, bcollins@utdallas.edu (Arlin B. Collins) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.183130.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11mbruce@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>>Let's see some merging of the brains here. Tell me the names and the
>>descriptions of the various types of orgasms. I'm sure many of you nudists must
>>have extensive knowledge in this part of the area as well. 
>>
>>Mere
> 
>     two types:
> 	1.  GREAT
> 	2.  FANTASTIC
> 
> -- 
> Arlin B Collins     CompuServe:  INTERNET:bcollins@utdallas.edu   :-)

Come over to my bed anytime, Mere. I'll give you so many 'quiet' orgasms
that at the end of our love-making, you'll be breathing a sigh of happiness
for generations to come.

-- 
Daniel Mcvay	11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu	11dmcvay@gallux.gallaudet.edu
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From: speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Warning -- this is a flame
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:36:40 EDT
Organization: Dan's Domain, Randolph, New Jersey

cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

> 
> Why is it whenever I fire up rec.nude these days, all I see are articles
> about sex on the beach? If we're trying to make the point that this group
> isn't for sex discussion, this certainly isn't the way to do it.
> 
> And now back to the beach sex discussions already in progress.

  Gee, and I though that discussions about "Sex on the Beach"
 should be done in rec.bar.drinks.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:21:47 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <l8nsafINN6bd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:

>>that of the "nude" beach?  Why not at a State and or Federal Park?  Why not
>>under Macy's Clock at High Noon?  Why must they be done at the "nude" beach?

> 	Like someone else said -- why don't you go nude under Macy's Clock
> at High Noon -- just stand their nude for a while and see where it 
> gets you.

That's true.  Go nude in inappropriate places and see what it gets you.
Sort of the same thing with sex in inappropriate places.

Terry
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From: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Subject: Pat O'brien
Reply-To: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: wi
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:27:22 GMT


Pat, I looked for the Review i saw on the Mazo beach back in Jan or Feb
but cant fined it perhaps someone on the net saved a copy ???
Any way you asked me to remind you to look for colorodo river info
thanks in advance
	Scott (aka the river pirate)
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Posting for someone else - FIRST TIMER'S REPORT
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:22:40 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>There's at least one
person I know who holds a security clearance and has made sure that his
nudist
activities are known to the security people.  The only way that it might be
a
problem is if evil foreign or domestic agents could use it as leverage
against
you.  That would be impossible if you make no attempt to conceal it!<

A few years ago when I was getting my clearance updated the interviewing
agent seemed to care less that I was a naturist/nudist. He was concerned I
would occasionaly go to Tiajauna to shop or dine. Apparantly Tiajauna
was/is a hot bed of spys.  Kind of mote now that I am retired.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: All the people (was Re: Embarrassed
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.012625.11459@informix.com> craigbr@informix.com (Craig Browning) writes:
>I wrote:
>>If Naturists must overcome ALL fears of ALL people then
>>we are truly doomed to inexorable failure.
>
>Then let's settle for two: nudity and sex.

Wonderful idea. Let's incline the mountain before us
from 45 degrees to 90 degrees so we go nowhere! :(
The more you push me to be everything to everybody,
the more stridently I will resist. Let's get our
shit together and concentrate our efforts on
one and only one issue at a time to be effective.

I must be clear on this because you stuck me with
this job after I was dumb enough to run for NAC.
Now you're stuck with me. :)

>Your race is something you have no control over. Your weight and being
>sunburned are things you have some control over, but few seriously
>are in favor of banning people from beaches based on these attributes
>being offensive.

You'd be very surprised at how many actually use these
conditions as arguments against 'skimpy' bathing costumes.
The logical extension is obvious: we don't want to see
them in bathing costumes, so we certainly don't want
to see them naked.
>
>The principle here is pretty obvious: How to deal with some people
>being offended by others' activities, whether that activity is
>laying on a beach naked, or haveing sex on the beach.
>
>The argument seems to me to be between those who are in favor of one
>but not the other, and those who are in favor of both.

There are two types of people in Naturism today:
those who build their lives around 'being nude' and
those who are trying to live balanced, natural
lives without carrying a lot of extra baggage
about clothes and body image and all that. I
am the latter.

By the way, in looking at the flow of these various
arguments I haven't once come down on one side
or the other; I'm playing the technician here,
trying to get the damned job done. I repeat:
do you folks want to help or hinder?  (Hint:
we don't need anymore negative slippage.)

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: blschwa@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Benjamin Schwalb)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Help!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:13:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond


This is my first time sending a followup article on the Internet, so please
let me know about any blunders I make.

I, too, live in Maryland, and would like to know of any CO areas around here
that accept single males, so anyone who knows of any, please mail a response
to me, too.

Now, what I DO know: National Capital Naturists, a Northern Virginia based
group, has info, but they don't give it out free.  Plus they want newcomers
to take a class ($26 per person) that teaches nude etiquette, how nude
recreation may affect one's security clearance, etc.  I don't have their
phone number or address with me right now, but I can get it if anyone wants
it.  They charge something like $25 per year membership.
-- 
blschwa@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: ds44@prism.gatech.EDU (Dana Stocks)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex in CO beaches ... nonsense
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:32:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.164654.295@wam.umd.edu> jathamez@wam.umd.edu (J A T) writes:
>  All this discussion of allowing sexual activity in CO beaches is nonsense,
>  [................]
>  If you feel so strongly  about
>  having sex in public, maybe you should start your own movement,
>  but please, leave the nudist community aside.
>
>  Javier

THANK YOU!   Well said.







-- 
Dana
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: ds44@prism.gatech.edu
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From: ta66863@cc.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero)
Subject: Interesting (?) opinion :)
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:48:11 GMT



    I'm not going to start new rec.nude.flame.sex.on.the.... discussion,
There has just been some arguments I dont agree.

    1.  Exhibitionists dont come to CO beach
    OR  nudists aren't exhibitionists.

    2.  nudists dont act like peeping-Toms

    Sorry if I offend some of you with this article, but I think that
some of you out there are super-humans. You go to nude-beach and don't
want to expose yourself, then you strip all you clothing...
Then you see other people naked and you don't look their cocks, tits or
buttocks, you just see the face.
    I can't point anyone of you, but this is the feeling I've got reading
some sex-opposite articles.

    Some philosophists, psychologists (or whatewer ) have said, that
there is some homosexual in all of us, there is a thief in us etc.
There can even be a murderer inside all of us. 
    I have discussed with some of my friends, and I'm not the only
one that thinks there is a bit of peeping-tom and exhibitionist in every
human being. Imagine yourself first time nude among other people. You
think all the others are watching you. But when you look around, no one
actually isn't. You feel disappointed: "Finally when I came to this
beach, no one even recognizes me" But because it's kinda taboo to look
straight (offence?) I'm sure someone behind you has checked you up-down-up.
    And about this peeping-tom stuff. If you have spent a day in a CO-beach
with someone, I'm sure that you know if you'll be asked, if that someone
had i.e. shaved his/her pubic hair. If you don't look the normally covered
places. How can you be offended by erection if you don't even see it. How
you can be sure someone is having sex if you dont really look what is 
happening behind the dune.
    
    I think the main idea is that both peeping and exposing oneself is 
against good habits and the law. When you go to CO-place being nude or 
being seen nude is allowed. It's part of the good feeling  :-)

    I know. Now someone flames me and writes that he/she likes to be
nude, but just at home or when alone. OK you are exceptions, but you
are just ashamed to be seen, and dont admit it.


AAAAHHHHH I can see the huge flow of disagrees and flames I'm sinking
I can't breath any mor..    ;-P


Yours Tero.

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        Tero Ahlqvist         
     Annalankatu 10 B 17         ta66863@cc.tut.fi
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From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CO Beaches/Areas/Etc. in Western Pennsylvania
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:30:25 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.rec.nude:
15-Aug-92  CO Beaches/Areas/Etc. in We..  Michael R Pointer@pitt.e (306)    
>Subject: CO Beaches/Areas/Etc. in Western Pennsylvania
>From: mrpst3@pitt.edu (Michael R Pointer)
>Date: 15 Aug 92 16:56:37 GMT
> 
>Just as the subject line implies, I am merely interested in knowing
>what (if any) CO beaches/clubs/etc.. there are in the Western PA
>area, and most importantly the Pittsburgh Area. Thanks in advance
>for any replies....

Somebody from CMU asked exactly the same question a few months ago. 
Maybe it should be put in a FAQ.  I DO NOT remember the names of the 3
or 4 clubs in the West. PA. area but White Thorn Lodge is a fairly well
known one (look at a post a few days ago, about a very big volleyball
competition there, coming up one week-end after Labor Day.)    WTL is
located straight on the PA.-Ohio border in the Beaver Falls area, almost
2 hours to drive (at normal speed) from Pgh. to the airport and then on
to the Beaver Falls area.  Excellent road almost all the way.  There are
also several swimming pools where nudists meet in Winter but I know only
one, past Monroeville, in the Penn Hills area, but that one is very
difficult to find.   About CO places I know nothing but others might.
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Subject: Missouri wants to get naked!
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:52:49 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


Does anyone out there know where I could get into a nudist group near Kansas
City, Missouri?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.  You can't really look it up in the
Yellowpages now, can you?  ;-)

	-Tom-
From: speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: BRA SURVEY
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:05:14 EDT
Organization: Dan's Domain, Randolph, New Jersey

ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:

> In article <9825@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (
> 
> > 	4. Posting in alt.nude.
> > 
> > 		Ok so nudists don't wear clothes, right ?
> > 	
> > 		Wrong.
> > 
> > 		The majority of nudists are recreational
> > 	nudists. ie wear clothes most of the time. This 
> > 	group is about clothes, hence the posting.
> 
> Actually, this group is about taking clothes off, not putting them on.
> So that's what your survey should address in this group.  How do women
> take their bras off?  Contort behind the back, slip the straps over

  [ more removed... ]

Moreover, the group is about not wearing clothing.  So a more
appropriate question is, how many women don't wear bras?

Xref: sparky rec.nude:4016 alt.sex:27281 alt.sewing:2461
From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.sex,alt.sewing
Subject: Re: EXTENDED BRA SURVEY
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:22:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <9837@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>
>	================
>	THE SURVEY GROWS
>	================
>
>	Since I started this survey I have quickly come to discover
>	that there is much more here than I first thought. I have
>	therefore decided to expand the survey to include more
>	parameters to collect. 

I don't wear bras, but I like to play survey-games.  Can I make up
answers and send them in?

--
David Winters     who wants to see the results of the bra survey
dcwst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu *OR* winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu

Q:  How does the news media make Dan Quayle look stupid?

A:  They print what he says.
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Uptightness about sex & ...
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:34:03 GMT

In article <l8fud2INN80g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>If I am physically harming you,
>that is another matter.  But things like the mental distress of you
>seeing me naked at a nude beach, or seeing me making love to my
>girlfriend are totally in your mind and programming.  I am not physically
>inflicting anything on you.

Be careful, Billy!

The cry-babies have mental distress from seeing
you nude because they haven't been in touch
with the spiritual space for so long. When
you harm the spiritual space around you, bad things
can happen, too. 

For one extreme example, take murder.
That rips apart the spiritual space in a violent
way and is not something I am eager to see. I am
pretty sure I would not feel well for some time
after seeing something gruesome.

My point is that being nude when appropriate
is beneficial to you and to others around you;
it is the cry-babies who are at fault when
they complain in these circumstances. Maybe
they're afraid we're on to something good
and can't bring themselves to it, they've
been screwed up for so long. I don't know.


The sex thing...there can be good and bad
there, too. No sweeping generalizations from me.
Or--are we talking about 'making love' or
romance and all that? If we're just arguing
about where you stick your dick, then that's a pretty
mundane way to look at this and I've
been reading this thread instead of
getting work done.


-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Campus Naturist Network forming (might have been Re: Michigan CO)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:42:54 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Distribution: usa

Why not start a UM Skinny-Dipping Club? I would make an effort to
attend the indoor swimming parties (it's only 150 miles to AA from
Fort Wayne).

-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
---
Given Civil Seizure, from the DEA's point of view, winning the War on
Drugs would be killing the Goose that lays golden eggs.

The Drug War is a government-sponsored, taxpayer-financed,
full-employment program for psycho/socio-paths, wannabees and
gonnabees.
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