HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: How the cold war was won.
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:34:14 GMT

In article <_1PTN3WBL@linac.fnal.gov> matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
>I didn't want to see this political discussion on soc.singles, let
>alone join it, but I seem to be unable to pass this up.
>
>>There was recently a series of programmes on British TV conerning the CIA
>>in which one of the analysts from the CIA of the 50s and 60s said (an
>>almost exact quote) "We were portraying them [the Soviets] and 10 foot
>>giants when we knew they were 4 foot midgets".
>>
>>		Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
>
>Decades ago, the CIA prepared a massive report on Soviet military
>strength.  The conclusion was that they were not very strong.  This
>assessment was totally unacceptable to the Pentagon and the defense
>industry.  Guess which CIA director obligingly had the report
>re-written to reverse the conclusion?
>
>George Bush.
>

AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  Well, at least I voted for the 'right' person.
__________________________________________________________
>Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
>

David S.


Newsgroups: soc.singles,hsv.general,general
From: dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Smiles, Food, and Other Ways of Seducing Women
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Nov23.182847.24804
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

>Stef Jones writes:
>>fy03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Francis J. Yenca) writes:
>>>Dave Johnson writes:
>>>>Stef Jones writes:
>>>>>I usually want to sleep with a guy if he smiles a lot at me. 
>
>>>>:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  (etc.)
>>>>
>>>>Is it working?
>
>>>Yep.  I knew I wouldn't be first on this one.
>
>>But yours only had one :-)  : much more subtle. 

Hey, I can be as subtle as the next sledgehammer.
However, I carefully noted the expression used,
which was "smiles a LOT at me" and responded 
appropriately.  So there.
-- 
  Dave Johnson

"You're not too smart, are you?  I like that in a man."
    --Kathleen Turner in Body Heat 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:04:28 GMT

> In article <7260@news.duke.edu>, diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
> writes:
> > In article <thurlow.722367772@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com
> >(Robert Thurlow) writes:
> |>>I had a boss once, "Bob", who thought all "Robert"s liked to be called
> |>>"Bob" the way he liked to be called "Bob", and he called me "Bob" every
> |> 
> |> Wow, sounds as bad as being named 'Elizabeth' in a decade in which popular
> |> consensus has decreed that all Elizabeths be called 'Liz'.  I often
> |> but this often backfires when someone decides
> |> to call me Liz in attempt to sound friendly (and earns, instead, my
> |> hostility).
>  

Yes, but have you ever had people argue with you about what your name is?
My parents disliked nicknames and mostly named us kids short versions of a
name or short names with no common nickname.  My birth certificate (yes I can
prove I was not found under a rock) has Larry on it (my middle name is top 
seceret info, but is similarly short) and people have refused to believe that
I'm not turely a Lawerence.

Larry (just Larry) Billings
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: Are you a Young Transplant?
Organization: Netcom - San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:08:57 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Nov18123935@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>
>I still can't figure out why it is that Dawn, who is a small cute
>brunette with a nice smile, gets results this way, while *I* -- looking 
>rather like Bluto, with a black belt, a decent knife thrower and an
>expert shot with a pistol -- get *laughs* when I threaten violence.
>--

     You are probably cute-looking.

     :)

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From: Scott.Frazee@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Scott Frazee)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Being Alone?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:48:22 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

Interesting concept ... but not one that all men are unfamiliar with.
 
My view is, and has always been, if I cannot be a person's friend -- how can I be anything to that person at all?
 
Anyways, just wantedto agree wholeheartedly and say "Hello" from sunny Florida to all the users here!
 
Scott


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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:04:22 GMT

In article <lgfnv3INN88r@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>    >|> Better than dating a sculpture...
> 
> You don't want to be accused of statuary rape.
> 
> Dawn
> 

NOW wait a minute Dawn, that statue was over 18 and willing!



Larry Billings
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.polyamory
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: raising children
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:06:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles
Summary: my experience with men with no dads

In article <1992Nov17.233938.52596@gmuvax.gmu.edu>, sparker@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
> In article <sf03bq600VB2I_DkV=@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Ann Stallings) writes:
> > 	<1992Nov10.091638.15965@deeptht.armory.com>
> > Lines: 40
> > In-Reply-To: <1992Nov10.091638.15965@deeptht.armory.com>
> > 
> > Steve Walz writes:
> > 	Single-parent chidren have as many individual personalities as
> > double-parent children do.  Making generalizations, either positive or
> > negative, about their behavior is unfair.
> > 
> >>With no dad, they aren't going to pick up on things that men know and
> >>they will either be lousy fathers, or else they will marry lousy
> > fathers. >With no mom they won't know what a woman is about.
> > 	What things do men know?  What is a woman about?  I sense more
> > stereotypes here. . . .

Me, too.
> 
> Hmmm.  Maybe you people need to see it in another perspective. 
> The children that frequent my convenience store are mostly
> fatherless ones.  They were raised by black mothers who had a father
> figure in the house often.. The problem is, most of them don't 
> stick around long enough to learn the kids names.

< descriptions of the little shits' behaviours >
> This, you see, is the result of single parent homes.

Well, your mileage may vary, as they say.  All of the successful
long term relationships that I've had with men have been with
men whose fathers were either absent (dead, divorced) or their
influence was negligible.  It's occurred to me that part of what
is right with these men is that they don't have bad patterns of
male-female behaviour especially related to the role of men and women
in the family to overcome.

My husband, whose father died when he was very young, is quite
comfortable with the idea of women being in positions of authority.
He doesn't have a problem with having female bosses and we don't
have those kind of "men do this, women do this" conflicts that I
see in a lot of people.  Since you didn't ask, he is also a very
good father.

Maybe  you should actually say what you mean instead of making a
broad category of single parent families.  Do you mean parents who
were never married? Do you mean poor people? Do you mean drug abusers,
or irresponsible parents?  People without spouses don't have a monopoly
on those attributes.    The little monsters next door to me have 2
married parents and it hasn't improved their mouths any or their respect
for other people's property.

Kate Perkins
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.pagan,alt.romance,alt.sex,alt.polyamory,talk.religion.misc
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Prove That Kids are Precious Gifts From God.  (Was: Re: ra-ising c-hildren)
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:38:36 GMT

the discussion is stupid. noone has to prove anything in order
to be able to make a statement.

why do you folks engage in such stupid argument?

sorry for the continued stupid crosspost.
of a stupid discussion
From: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Another Top 9 List (was Re: Top 9 things...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:52:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <74477@apple.apple.COM> pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh) writes:
>
>Top 9 things a woman doesn't want to hear from a man
>she's interested in:
>9.  <belch> Hey, that was a good one, huh?
>8.  Man, this is the fourth time this week I've had a hangover!
>7.  No, tonight I have to recompile all my X source.
>6.  Hey, did you see the tits on that one?  Woo woo!
>5.  Women only go for jerks, not nice guys like me.
>4.  What my wife doesn't know won't hurt her.
>3.  What's for dinner?
>2.  Your thighs are too fat.
>1.  Let's just be friends.
 
Please add:
  Oh, she's just a friend.  Really.
  Have you gained some weight?
  I don't understand, this has never happened before.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:26:59 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: dhardin@spcink.bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Nov16.233917.29267@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.204331.17994@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>>Sometimes you have to play by the rules during the day for appearances,
>>also if you wish to command any kind of respect from your older
>>co-workers who are busy talking about the state of property taxes and
>>prime lending rates.
>
>	I'd have to respect people like that before I desired their
>respect in return.

Doesn't always work that way.  When I used to teach at a small college,
the administration didn't care what I wore, and the male teachers used to wear
torn up jeans all the time.  So I went in with my jeans and waist length
hair.  I had major discipline problems, students paid no attention to me
(except to ask me out on dates), and once when I asked if there were any
questions some smartass wanted to know how long I had followed the dead.
Next semester, I cut my hair, wore makeup, shaved my legs and wore (shudder)
panty hose and suits.  No problems.  Raised my student's test scores by a 
ridiculous amount.  Moral of the story: if I'm playing the role, I wear 
the costume.  People don't think to ask if you really fit the role if you 
look like you do.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: allisson@turing.toronto.edu (H. Allisson Roome)
Subject: Re: Unattached Ph.D.'s (was:Re: Education and the Single World
Organization: Net.Gypsy/ROM
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:23:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.155820.27326@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov 
(gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>Hmph.  I just met one at a Halloween party a couple of weeks ago.  Very
>intelligent (socially), attractive, and <gasp> unattached.
>Unfortunately, after trying to have her meet me after work, she didn't
>seem to want to have anything to do with me.  Imagine that!  Someone not
>wanting to talk to sweet, wonderful _me_!
>
>Mind you, this is the first woman I've met since I've been on this
>miserable island that was politically, socially, and philosophically
>aware and not interested in Oog's big pick up truck.  Oh well, so they
>only come along once every two years.  No big deal.  I can wait.
>

Gary, I suppose I should take exception to that comment and say that
there are several women on the Guyland who fit that description (I
think, that I count -- only my account is in Toronto, I currently
reside in the Mt.Sinai/Port Jefferson area).  Unfortunately, most of the
people that I knew who fit that description have left (or I haven't
met them yet) ... <looking furtively over both shoulders> I was born,
raised, and spent all but the last 9 years of my life on Long Island
and I couldn't give a flying ^*#! about Oogs truck -- I also escaped
the accent.

Allisson
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"Kindness is the beginning and end of the Law" - Hebrew Proverb
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey Jean Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Top 9 things...
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:37:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov22.163712.13349
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov22.055049.7672@cheshire.oxy.edu> ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:


>  Another one, which really pissed me off when he said this to me...
> 
>   "Believe it or not, I'm not like most other guys...I think sex should
> go with love..."
>   This, after the deed had already been done without the love.
>   Hmph.
>                                       --a
>                                         c

	Hmmm... perhaps you met old teammate Anthony from High School?
I've heard him use that line a few hundred times on various girls. Then
I would hear completely the opposite in the locker room. Makes you wonder.


						    Mikeey
					mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

PS Men of the world, UNITE!!! Guys like him are giving us a bad name! 8-)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am wome
Organization: The Cultural Elite
	<1992Nov17.075224.5106@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<Bxvt4w.LC6@access.digex.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:02:36 GMT

huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:

>tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>>In article <d+hqdlg@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>>Personally, I believe that sexual duration is a valuable asset. :)

>>[comments on women's attitudes about short duration] 
>>(Of course this observation
>>is coming from someone who has traditionally had the opposite problem, so it
>>may be a bit skewed.)

>Here are some numbers.  The average duration of human copulation is about
>four minutes.  

I have this image of some guy standing discreetly in the corner of the
bedroom with a clipboard and stopwatch.  "Pay no attention to the man
behind the curtain, dear."

>Among mammals, though, the record-holder is some rodent at twelve hours!

So Trygve, are you a man or a mouse?

---Julie
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* genera _Loris_ and _Nycticebus_, of tropical Asia, having dense, woolly *
* fur, large eyes, and a vestigial tail.  [French, probably from obsolete *
* Dutch _loeris_, simpleton, clown.]    ---- American Heritage Dictionary *
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:52:39 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am wome
 <1992Nov8.013105.14917@sol.UVic.CA>
 <1992Nov13.220212.2779@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 <1992Nov14.002940.21755@tandem.com> <1992Nov16.224107.3359@odin.corp.sgi.com>

Not that I'm an expert or anything, but the idea of 'sexual peak'
statistics aplying to individuals is pretty silly.  It doesn't
matter what the average person wants, it's what your SO wants.
Which means that if what they want is enchillada whipcream, you
have to cope, but I digress.

My guess on this stuff is related to differences in what people think
sex is for.  People who think sex is recreation act very similarly,
modulo cultural gender based communication differences.  Peope who
think sex is an affirmation of life-long commitment, ditto.  Many
men unfortunately think sex is a way to get some loud, bothersome
hormones to shut up.  (no data on if there are women with this
particular attitude, but it wouldn't surprise me.)  If the male
partner thinks that, and female partner wants 'growing closer' sex,
or anything different at all, they are going to have a severe
problem with objectives.

I'd settle for being able to get a straight answer to the question
of what someone thinks sex is for, nine times in ten.   (*snurk*
and kraken just want to do macrame.)

Graydon
From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson, xt-dL)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 4266@midway.uchicago.edu, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.233938.52596@gmuvax.gmu.edu> sparker@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>[various discussion of single-parent families deleted for clearer
>flaming]
>
>>Hmmm.  Maybe you people need to see it in another perspective. 
>>The children that frequent my convenience store are mostly
>>fatherless ones.  They were raised by black mothers who had a father
>>figure in the house often.. The problem is, most of them don't 
>>stick around long enough to learn the kids names.
>>
>>So these little brats come into my store, with their chip on their
>>shoulder, and try to buy cigarettes.  The law in 
>>Virginia states that one must be 18 to purchase tobacco products.
>>When you ask these little lovelies  for their I.D., you are told, 
>>immediately, to fuck off. 
>>  If they had any respect for their elders, they would act like 
>>humans instead if animals. 
>
>What the hell?  If you have problems with their manners, try to teach
>them something.  Calling them animals isn't going to fix anything.
>And what makes you think that having a man constantly around the house
>would make them any more polite?  Someone to beat them if they cross
>over your invisible boundaries?
>

To Kateri/Mary Anne

I suspect that you can not teach a child who tells you to -uck off.
I think you are very naive on that particular point.  

Jeez, easy you two your going to bust something.  Children
must respect their elders and their elders must give them
something to respect.  On that the owner (I'm sorry I didn't
get your name) is right.  He/she may be wrong about just having
a man around to help discipline them.  (that probably stems
from the fact that for so many of us our dads were the 
disciplinarians)  As for your flame of the store owner,  Gee 
that really makes me respect you! I would have thought that
someone at U of C could have found more constructive and
convincing arguments.

To the store owner.

Yes, calling them animals won't fix anything.  Perhaps if a 
few minorities were hired in the store or if the owner 
participated in some sort of community project (if one even 
exists) a little respect would be forthcoming from at least a 
few people in the communtiy. Even given that,
the problems are much bigger than can be fixed by a 
few projects and a few minimum wage jobs.   Support any
programs in your community that will help make things
better.

Men around the house does not fix everything.  Some of the most
screwed guys I grew up with were because of their fathers.
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: **FIRST*DATE*IDEAS**
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>Glen Morrison writes:
>>Ok, so I met this lady [...]
>>
>>So I need some attractive, interesting first date ideas.  I want to impress
>>her, but not overly impress.  Also, while we're on the subject, how about
>>some DOs and DON'Ts on first dates. More DOs than DON'Ts please. 
>>Oh yea, I forgot to mention we're both in our mid-twenties.
>
>Don't even try to impress her with anything special. Going to a nice, quiet
>cafe, and talking about anything at all will be fine. Be yourself. Do not
>try to be impressive!

Go rollerblading!

	-- Anita --

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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Top 9 things...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:17:01 GMT

In article <Nov.17.13.40.03.1992.27111@romulus.rutgers.edu> nehs@romulus.rutgers.edu (-Killer Klondike-) writes:
>Top 9 things a man doesn't want to hear from a woman he's interested in...
>Compiled from several different sources, my thanks to each and every one of
>them.
>
>9. Sorry, I only like to date guys who like to beat the sh*t out of me and
>     treat me like dirt.
>
>8. Sorry, I already have a boyfriend.
>
>7. Oh, he's just like a brother to me.
>
>6. Oh, HIM, he's just a friend.
>
>5. Why?
>
>4. No.
>
>3. I don't know.
>
>2. You are such a nice guyt.
>
>1. I just want to be friends.
>
>
>
>More things are always welcome.  E-mail is fine too.
>
>Ladies, comments?
>
>-Benjamin

How about this one:

	"Maybe, when I feel like I know you well enough"

(It has been my experience that anybody that will tell this after you have
"studied" her long enough to feel confident in "making your move".....
well, let's just say that if she knows you "till hell freezes over",
she will still "not know you well enough".  Can-I-get-a AMEN?)

Keith R
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