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From: ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams)
Subject: Re: just wanted to be friends
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:33:17 GMT

In <1992Aug13.120703.15846@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:

>You guys don't want to miss this--------
>  
>In article <Bsvz2x.1q0@wpi.WPI.EDU> haywire@yaya.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:
>>
>>just wanted to be friends...
>>the words echo in my mind
>>said by so many voices
>>said by so many who said they cared
>>but as i lie in my seclusion
>>to heal from wounds reopened
>>the separation becomes a chasm
>>almost impossible to cross
>>without reopening the wounds again
>>or creating newer and deeper ones
>>just wanted to be friends...
>>how many times have i heard those words
>>ten, ten hundred, ten thousand,...
>>how many women have said that phrase
>>am i cursed to eternally be a woman's big brother
>>eternally feeling the emptiness in my heart
>>will i ever meet the one
>>who will return the love i give
>>or will i forever walk the streets alone
>>never to have it returned
>>not even a satisfactory favor
>>something done for me because you like me
>>will i forever peer in the windows
>>to see lovers hold each other in a warm embrace
>>will i pass forever quietly in the night
>>being tormented of that i cannot have
>>only to feel the clutch around my heart
>>but who is this o maiden in black
>>have you come to take my troubles away
>>or to torment me like the others
>>what..youll return my love
>>but how can i be sure you tell the truth
>>others have lied such a cursed lie before
>>why should i trust you
>>look how she beconnes me to be wrapped into her velvet cloak
>>to be held close and be eternally warm
>>she promises me shell take away all my fears
>>she promises me shell take away all my despair
>>she will fulfill all my needs
>>just take her hand and its there
>>but who are you i ask...
>>she hesitates to answer for fear of losing me to reality
>>wont you tell me your name?
>>why wont you tell me your name?
>>she tells me...and i accept her hand
>>the last embrace as the cloak envelopes me
>>i will forevermore be in darkness
>>and my blood will run free tonight.......


	A rather beautiful poem..it moreover serves to emphasize my
belief that vampires are wonderfully seductive.
 
    ____________________________________________________________________
    |   Emma Williams            | Dad, I guess you're wondering why   |
    |   ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie    | I'm ringing you..--Calvin & Hobbes  |
    |				 | (eller Steen og Stoffer :-> )       |
    |____________________________|_____________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Re: Matchmaker Intl. Advice Sought
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:59:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.175745.28780@advtech.uswest.com>, rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:
> It will likely be very expensive. Also, you will find the majority of women to
> be several years older than yourself, and not interested much in younger men.
> I got reeled in by Great Expectations last year. I found that about 5-8% of the
> women whose profiles I saw were at least 3 years older than I was (23 at the
> time, and all but one or two excluded men below 25.

Brain lock. That should have read:

I found only about 5-8% my age or younger, and the rest of the profiles I saw 
were at least 3 years older than I.

Randy
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT/CSD         rray@{lookout,uswat}.it.uswc.uswest.com
I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852
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From: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Commitment--The C-word?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:25:58 GMT
Reply-To: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

In article <1992Aug19.194514.18029@cs.ucla.edu>, gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug18.163725.2377@sfu.ca> probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst) writes:
|> >well, i can't say i've seen the stats that suggest what you say. also, i have
|> >some difficulty conceptualising marriage (or any equivalent) as a job. let's
|> >hear from women out there: do you think it's right to consider that the man
|> >pays the woman a "salary"?
|> 
|> Well, it's not a salary in a formal sense, but the woman is gaining
|> access to a higher and more flexible standard of living.
|> 

well, i *have* to put in my knee-jerk response to this remark--
"the woman is gaining access..."  the WOMAN????  even if the woman
makes less money that the man, he will still enjoy a higher standard
of living that will come from a two income household.

besides the obvious, she *could* make more than he does :)

stuff deleted to save space...

|> 
|> This is not to say that A doesn't contribute to the well-being of the
|> household, or anything like that.  In fact, A might improve the
|> quality of B's life, so everybody benefits.
|> 
|> --gregbo

isn't that the point? i mean, that's why people get married in the first
place usually.  if A doesn't improve your quality of life (and
i don't mean financial life) why bother?



------
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I'd figured out, 	
I have to learn again...
				- Don Henley
From: ted@ted@cs.umn.edu (Ted Stockwell)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (long)
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:03:27 GMT
	<1992Aug12.004013.15958@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
	<1992Aug12.221257.16218@nuchat.sccsi.com>
Organization: Midwest Software Journeymen

In article <1992Aug12.221257.16218@nuchat.sccsi.com> kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>   In article <1992Aug12.004013.15958@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay) writes:
>   >My brother has a saying that is perfect here...
>   >
>   >"When you're actively searching for romance, it'll elude you. Its when you're
>   >not searching that it'll come up and kick you in the ass, turn you around,
>   >and give you the best hug of your life."
>
>   Well, I've stopped looking (have done so for 6 months), and nothing's happened.
>   Nothing happened the last time I stopped looking, too, which lasted for about
>   a year and a half.
>
>   I think that whether or not the "solve the problem by ignoring it" approach
>   will work depends on who you are.  If you're the sort of person I am, then
>   you're forced to make everything good happen to you (i.e., good things don't
>   just magically happen to you, you have to *force* them to happen).

It also depends on where you are.  When I was an undergrad I was
"kicked in the ass" a time or two.  A classic case of making a good
impression because I was relaxed and not trying too hard.  But I was
in a situation where meeting new people was normal: new classes every
quarter, student groups, etc.

Now that I work in the "real world" its a bit diffferent: the
department is mostly men, everyone is married and I see the same
people every day.  If you don't meet new people in the course of daily
life you have to work at it.

--
Ted Stockwell             There's a bit of magic in everything, 
ted@cs.umn.edu            And then some loss to even things out.   -- Lou Reed
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Exactly what I mean by "unattached"...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:05:37 GMT

gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:

>Just who is this "we" you are referring to here?  Even if "you" don't
>discuss Tolkien, that doesn't mean no one at the con does.

In 12 years of con-giong, i think i have discussed science fiction or
fantasy about a dozen times.  The "we" is every one of the thousands
of people I have spoken to at cons.

>What makes you think I wouldn't discuss other topics?  I just listed

I didn't mean to imply you wouldn't.  I was pointing out that sf/f is
very rarely discussed at cons, at least cons in the midwest and south.

>Well, from what he's written, [trygve] implies that he has enough
>dates and relationships to keep him happy.  The only complaint he has
>is that his SOs eventually wind up leaving him after they're "healed"

These don't seem like SOs to me, they seem rather like emotional
leeches, but i suppose this is a matter of definition.



-- 
Kiran Wagle                             <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.O.Box 2083 Bloomington IN 47402-2083                  (812) 335-0420
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Re: men dancing with men just because they're friends.
Keywords: men homos single bad reason
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:49:45 GMT

In article <2219@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com> luzenko@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Luzenko) writes:
>Why men can't dance with men in america without some stigma attached to it .

They can if they're not aware of any such stigmas.  I used to.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: allisson@turing.toronto.edu (Allisson Roome)
Subject: Re: Windows, Bananas, and Boinks - Oh My! 
Organization: Some and growing
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:01:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.063319.11652@wixer.cactus.org> purp@wixer.cactus.org
 (Jim Meyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.223959.20880@newstand.syr.edu> haroome@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allisson Roome) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.170031.13795@wixer.cactus.org> purp@wixer.cactus.org 
>>(Jim Meyer) writes:
>>> Anyone for a slideshow?
>>Hmm, maybe I should just have them turned into a video ....
>
>Could be a top ten title...

Yes, but for that we'd need to use the dreaded first name "H---- Does
Haledon" (BTW- those of you who DO know what it is kindly "shut up -
I'm going to be so sick of it when I'm back at the folks'")

>I considered capping the W, but without straight lines, how do you tell
>the straights from the bents? ;)

By their toys, silly boy ...

>
>--Purp, with a tired gleam in his eye.

Oh, and what have you been doing that gives you a tired gleam <arching
eyebrows>?

Allisson
-- 
allisson@turing.toronto.edu (new address) H. Allisson Roome
"Everything that you teach you are learning. Teach only love, and
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From: allisson@turing.toronto.edu (Allisson Roome)
Subject: *POOF* - She's gone and Back again
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:09:44 GMT

Hi All --

My account vanished yesterday as they upgraded the system and saw that
I no longer worked for the University.  Thanks to a kind and wonderful
friend (Hi Ron!) .. I have net.access once again with a new address
and all that (allisson@opus.turing.toronto.edu).  For those who had
sent mail to me in the past few days -- Rob & Dawn in particular -
I'll getback to you as soon as I have another free moment.

Allisson
From: pm3_norr@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Paul Norris)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: "Congratulations" and/or "Best Wishes"
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:06:51 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


}> ] dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
}> ] >And Amy, congratulations on getting married. Or, as my girlfriend
}> ] >keeps reminding me to say to women, best wishes.

}> dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
}> ] I've always wondered  Years ago, I was told to say "best wishes"
}> ] to women, and "congratulations" to men. My question: is this still correct
}> ] etiquette?

} diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) writes:}> 
}> No no NO!!
}> The Proper wording for BOTH men AND women is, of course,
}> "CONDOLENCES"...
}> (Okay - after almost 9 years of separation, my divorce
}> is final in 5 days - so I HAD to say this...)

So.  Is the correct phrase on *this* occasion "Congratulations"?

Paul

-- 
Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love.
                                            --  Charlie Brown
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: FINNS - They all look alike
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:29:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <l92e0nINNasg@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:

>(Why are you looking at me that way?)

Your dress didn't structurally fail again, did it?  :-)

Rob T, still kicking himself for missing NYCboink
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
The sun is gonna shine again / We're gonna make it 'round that bend
I'll walk another mile with you, 'cause you're my friend
The sun is gonna shine again.			- Graham Parker
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHHH... what is a BOINK?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:10:12 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Aug19.200446.1@vax1.umkc.edu> ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug19.200236.12368@bnr.ca>, ksloan@crchh791.BNR.CA (Kerry Sloan) writes:
>> PLEASE help me?!?!?
>
>Isn't a "BOINK" a book written by Hemmingway?
>
>	-Tom-

No,No,No, Thats a BONK! Boinks are by Lear.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Subject: Re: Finding Romantic Partners (on the net)
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:12:36 GMT

dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson) writes:

>Well I met Angelthing, and she's every bit the pain in the
>butt you would guess from reading the net.  So there.

Dave, Dave, Dave .... *thank* you!  Mustn't let my reputation
wilt.  Yes, I am a pain in the butt .. some would call me a
high maintenance babe.  Some would call me a bitch [that's to
save you girls from taking the time to do it.]

Angelwing - a pain and proud of it.
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: EMMA, IS A PERFECT MATE!
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:39:08 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

In article <ewillims.713619072@unix1.tcd.ie>, ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams) writes:
> In <M1JCR00.92Aug11094317@irmcs1.fed.frb.gov> m1jcr00@fed.frb.gov (Jeffrey C. Rizzo) writes:
> 
>>>>>>> In article <ewillims.713527414@unix1.tcd.ie>, ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams) writes:
> 
>>> In <1992Aug10.154656.15959@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> strake@coos.dartmouth.edu (strake) writes:
> 




 
 
>>> 	6 inches too short for what? 
>>> 	What, may I ask, is wrong with being petite?
> 
>>> 	Emma (who is 5'3" and whose past SO's have always been over 6'
>>> 	      and which has NEVER been a problem!)
> 
>>You ask what's wrong, when you specify that all your SO's have been
>>6 feet plus?  Seems to me like it's a personal preference kind of
>>thing... statistically speaking, 6' is taller than average, so if you
>>were totally ignoring height, you should have had at least one shorter.  :)
>>(this is, of course, assuming your sample space consists of more than
>>one person.)
> 
> 	I only specified that to show that it didn't make any difference
> height ratio wise to any of my relationships. Actually I would have gone
> out with any guy I found attractive and who felt the same way about me.
> It just is a co-incidence that all the guys who fit the bill were that 
> tall. There were a lot of tall guys where I was living...
>  

It doesn't mean Emma has a thing for 6' guys just because her past SO's have
been that tall!  Come on,  a gal has a right to date tall men or short men or
flat men or round men, etc....  I even questioned her on that same question,
but I tried to do it more subtle and gentle, small women always respond very
positiverly to gentle |)  But for me, it would be true statistically or any
other way, cause I digs short gals!@!!!!!!!!!!!  They are sooo sexy and lively!
                                    

>     ____________________________________________________________________
>     |   Emma Williams            | Dad, I guess you're wondering why   |
>     |   ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie    | I'm ringing you..--Calvin & Hobbes  |
>     |				 | (eller Steen og Stoffer :-> )       |
>     |____________________________|_____________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Various ramblings...
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:48:04 GMT

kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>It's *not* a large number of people????  Hmm...then just how large, small,
>or whatever a group are we talking here?

Since the only class we can seem to rule out is supermodels, pretty
damn small.

>Fair enough, but you've failed to answer the question: *why* does the
>amount of money make a difference to supermodels but not to other women?

I didn't say that, I only said that I have seen no evidence of any super-
models that would go for someone dead broke (and I could be wrong), but in
any other class of people I have seen evidence of there being women who
have been interested in someone who was poor.  So while I grant that
you may be able to rule out supermodels, I don't think you can rule
out anyother class of women.

>In other words, I should just deal with it.  Fair enough (though I hate
>to think of what it'll do to my health, such as it is.  Ah, the
>tradeoffs we make in life...).

You can also accept the consequences if you don't go.  It's your decision.

>>People, through observation,
>>through trial and error, and with a bit of luck, build there own
>>models of how relationships work, for them.  Their model undoubtably
>>has more holes than swiss-cheese, but it only has to work a small
>>fraction of the time to be sucessful.  
>
>How do you tell the difference between them succeeding as a result of
>their model being right and succeeding purely by chance? 

If it's succeeding purely by chance then it doesn't take much luck
to succeed.  The model isn't "right" either.  A person's model of
dating will let him know which opening lines under what circumstances
should lead to him to his goal, but not too unoften it won't work.

>If their successes are so limited, why are they bothering with the model at
>all?  Peace of mind or something?

Consider fishing.  The fisherman knows that if he doesn't use bait
or a lure, he will fail to catch any fish.  This is part of his "model"
of fishing.  But even with bait, he's not going to very successful,
most of his casts will fail to catch any fish.  However, the fisherman
doesn't define success that way, all he needs to be happy to go home
with a fish or two.  A lot of people find fishing fustrating and
unjoyable, but fishermen enjoy it because the don't feel they have
to succeed on every cast, they enjoy the simple act of fishing,
and being outdoors.

To me you're someone who wants a fish, but doesn't like fishing.

>So: what have you found works best for you?

I think a fish would be nice, but I don't think it's worth the
effort to go fishing for, so I don't expect to be having one
any time soon.

							Ross Ridge

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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Exactly what I mean by "unattached"...
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:23:32 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:

>kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>>kevin@nuchat.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>>>find interesting is not at all what most women find interesting (rather
>>>the opposite).  
>>Then  you had best look in some other subset of people.  

>Huh?  Some other subset of people?  You mean like men instead of women?
>No thanks.  :-)

Actually, i meant in the women left over after you remove "most" of
them.  I'm sure that set does not have measure zero.

>Okay.  The culture I select is...

>whatever culture Trygve is in!  They seem to be a laid back, easy-going
>crowd of people.

Well, lessee. Yuppies.  Are everywhere, not just Denver.  Science
fiction fandom?  There's quite a bit of that in Texas.  SCA is
everywhere. 

>And yes, I'll have to change.  I suspect this will take some cash, which
>Trygve will, of course, generously supply for such a noble purpose, right

*laugh*  Pay closer attention.  Trygve may be rich and gorgeous and
drive a porsche, but does he have a relationship?

>>How the hell could they be interesting if you can barely relate???

>By being bizarre, different.  By having a unique (but somehow sensible)
>perspective on things.

Well, perhaps you should stick to people with whom you can relate,
since after all, relatin is what you're trying to do.  

I am not sying that shared interests are necessary for a relationship
(I wouldn't day that because I gon't think it's true)  but if you can
"barely relate" then perhaps this woman is not right for you.


>>If I said that the kind of women you would be willing to date are not
>>able to mooch off others, they (and you) might be insulted...

>Well, that depends on *why* that kind of women are unable to mooch off
>others.  So: why would that kind of women (that I would be willing to
>date) be unable to mooch off others?

Unable becuse they're not attractive enough to attract rich men like
trygve. 

-- 
"When the cerebellum is removed from a male frog, he starts looking
 for a mate, in or out of breeding season.  There may be a lesson in
 that somewhere."
-- 
Kiran Wagle                             <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
P.O.Box 2083 Bloomington IN 47402-2083                  (812) 335-0420
From: wjb@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Bill Buse)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:43:27 GMT
Subject: Re: BOINK! BOINK! BALLOONBOINK IN ALBUQUERQUE!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.singles

In soc.singles, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
 > I drive to work each morning through a fantasy world of giant balloons.  
 > It *never* gets old.  Try as you may to take pictures, the Albuquerque 
 > Balloon Fiesta remains uncaptured on film to this day.

I live a short distance away from one of the local balloon launching
sites and the prevailing winds often take them over my place.  I NEVER
get tired of watching them when I'm on my way to work in the mornings. :-)

 > (Balloon pilots can be a friendly lot too ;-)

If you want some real fun, ask the balloon pilots if they need help
on their chase crew.  Many balloon pilots are looking for additional
help for their chase crew and this is a great way to become involved
with the activities.  Its definitely more exciting than just staying
in one spot, as an observer.   :-)  :-)

Bill
wjb@hpisla.lvld.hp.com
Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Bathsheba.Grossman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman)
Subject: Re: Chinese single woman seeks caucasian single men
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:14:26 GMT

In article <65@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>I can definitely state from personal experience that the 
>grass *is* greener on the other side.  I am a caucasian
>male, who dated and ended up marrying an asian female.
>She happens to be of Phillipine background, and she has
>been priceless.  I recently moved to California, and there
>is a great preponderance of Caucasian male/Asian female
>relationships.  [...]
>I'll tell ya' though, there are some beautiful babes out here!!!

What did I tell you.  This I needed to hear?

-Sheba
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