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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:32:03 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep9.220408.16299@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>I think the header said it all.

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here's the point					      here you are

>He's a great player, but don't try to say he's better than Sanders.
>Jason Gische

The point, originally, being that Smith is NOT Sanders, but neither is
Sanders Smith.  They are different style runners in different style offenses
playing different style defenses in different style stadiums . . . etc.
I'm sure any team in the league would be happy to have either one of them
on the field.

Daniel Welch
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Quickest expansion-to-playoff team in sports (was Re: Bucs coach
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:56:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep11.210746.24379@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
> However the most correct answer was the St. Louis Blues, which won its
> division as an expansion team in 1968.  To my knowledge, no other team in
> major professional sports has done this.

Come on!!! Geezuz there was nothing but expansion teams in the West in
1968. Chicago was still in the East. Clearly you can't count a 
division winner of an expansion-only division....
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: VIKES KICK PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:50:33 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep9.022841.12466@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>In article <18jmaiINNq3g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes:
>>What about this new Linebacker, Del Rio.  Can anyone fill me in on this guy?
>>And where did Browner go? 
>	Jack Del Rio is a Plan B acq. from Dallas. I'm not sure if he was a
>	pro-bowler or not, but I bet the Dallas fans are sad to see him go.

Not that sad, really.  He is solid and dependable, and was a starter for
many a year in Dallas, but only because of the lack of anyone to replace
him.  Robert Jones is a much better athelete and will be a much better
linebacker, IMHO.  Del Rio was just never that impressive.

Daniel Welch
----
Ne t'en fuis pas,
Tu a des aisles,
Le pouvior de me quitter.
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From: ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: success of colleges in producing pro players?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:58:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Distribution: usa

In article <yvonne.715970846@well.sf.ca.us>, yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
|> In <1992Sep8.153034.3920@meaddata.com> king@meaddata.com (Mike King) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Sep7.222831.5486@afit.af.mil>, jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> Well, as of a few years ago, before their recent successes, Washington
|> >|> had the most former players active in the NFL.  Suprised?  I think UCLA
|> >|> was second, and USC was third.  I'd be willing to bet the PAC-10 dominates 
|> >|> the list.
|> 
|> >Does anyone have this information.  If so, could you please post it.
|> >I, for one, am very sceptical to the notion of PAC-10 domination.  Thanks.
|> 
|> 
|> Be skeptical if you want, bu it's true.  I'm not sure whether "domination"
|> is an accurate word, since it implies having a large lead, but I do know, according
|> to a recent news item in the San Francisco Chronicle (I know, not
|> the most unbiased source, but it's the one I have) that the Pac-10 has the
|> most players in the NFL.
|> 


For one thing, that might be true, but listen to what you are saying....Pac-TEN!!,
as in ten teams.  That does give the conference a slight advantage over teams, 
like U. Miami, and Notre Dame (both of which must be in the top four).


|> What I can more easily verify is that Stanford, which is not the most 
|> dominant team in the Pac-10 by any stretch, has 15 NFL players, not including
|> the four drafted in 1992.  These include some of the longest standing players,
|> including James Lofton (14 years), Darrin Nelson (10 years), and John Elway (9 years).

And about this Stanford team thing....U. Miami has 13 first rounders alone in the
last 6 or 7 years (not sure which).  The next closest team is the Gators with 7.

However, I recall hearing that a Pac Ten team did have the most active players in
the NFL (I do not think it was Washington) a couple of years ago, but that 
probably has changed by now.

~ds4
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:02:34 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Steelers 2-0 (and some other things)




>Steeler defense appears to be a big play defense, at least as far as 
>getting turnovers.  I saw that they only had 1 sack - did they pressure 
>the Jet QB's at all?  Looks like the Jets ran the ball fairly well.  That
>could be trouble playing the Chargers next week.

The pressure was better than was at Houston, but it was still far from
what should be expected for a good team.  There were a few times that
Nagle got pounded after he threw the ball, but I really didn't notice
too many times when he was hurried to throw.   
The one sack was by Rod Woodson.  He came in on a cornerback blitz while
most of the D-Line dropped back into coverage?!?  That's right, 300lbs
lineman trying to provide pass coverage.   Woodson stripped the ball
from Nagle when he sacked him and the Steelers recovered.  
So, in truth, the Steelers D-Line, linebackers have yet to record a
sack.  Hopefully, a couple of people will step up soon, but I don't
think I'll hold my breath.

And as far as Deion goes, from what I saw of his 99yder, it just looks
like he had a hole and then just ran.  Sure he basically outran the
opposition, but in my opinion, that doesn't make a god (or a Deion^3).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Subject: Steelers are getting more fans.
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:29:11 GMT


Compared to the last few seasons, it seems that there are more Steeler
fans posting on the net.  That's damn good.

For a while, the high volume of 'band wagon jumping' fans (ie for Buffalo, etc)
has left us die-hard fans unheard.  

Go Steelers.

This year is going to be the triple crown:
 -the Stanley Cup with the Penguins (clinched it!)
 -the World series with the Pirates
 -the SuperBowl with the Steelers.

Now where's the Basketball team :-)

--
    The new INTEL 80586 will be                               Phil Dietz
       SUPER-RISC with only 2 instrs!                 pdietz@cse.unl.edu
           PKZIP  &  PKUNZIP                      University Of Nebraska
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:58:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Go Broncos
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

With 'the scud' Al Davis has no chance.  The Bongos looked pretty crapy
on sunday despite the win.  Look for a mediochre AFC West winner to get its
butt kicked by AFC East or Central in the playoffs.

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From: burt@zeus.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez)
Subject: Bears
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:40:00 GMT

I think Neal Anderson sucks.  They should play Darren Lewis more.  He's much
more talented than Anderson.  He has better field and vision and is a much
better runner.  I think they should dump Anderson.
From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Niners Stats
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:41:21 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Does anyone have the stats from the Niners-Giants game?  I would appreciate if
someone could send them to me.
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Highlights
Date: 15 Sep 1992 13:52:10 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

Is it just me or are the networks not switching to other games as much
this season to show big play highlights ? I think I saw two this weekend.

2-0 and on a roll !!!
Go Cowboys !!!!
tim


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From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)
Subject: Re: Quick Start = Super Bowl Win??
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:23:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.232547.16814@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>
>When was the last time a Super Bowl winner did NOT start the season
>at 2-0 ??
>

Don't know if it was the last time, but the 1986 Giants lost their 1st game.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:30:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.003524.9197@news.iastate.edu> jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.233745.7182@lclark.edu> greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter
>Greco) writes:
>
>>I think that each team should be allowed to use one timeout per half to
>>review a play of their choosing.  This adds a little spice to the game by
>>making a coach weigh the decision, especially when it involves a 2nd half
>>timeout.
>>
>>Though it might be unfair to penalize a team for zebra mistakes, how else
>>can the time factor be solved?
>
>If the call on the field is overturned by the replay officials, no time-out is
>charged to the team who called for the replay. If the call on the field
>stands, a time out is charged to the team that asked for the replay.
>
>
I don't understand why there has been such a huge problem with instant
replay.  It seems like the NFL just screwed up in their method of
utilizing it.  Couldn't they have it used the following way:

Have a referee watching the game from several camera angles at the same
time.  If he sees a problem before the next play begins, he signals that 
the call should be overturned.  Otherwise, play resumes as if no check
were made.  If the announcers can usually pick up a bad call and show it 
to the viewers in that amount of time, I don't see why the officials
shouldn't be able to do the same.  This would result in all the obvious
bad calls being overturned, and the ones which are questionable to any
degree being left as the ref called it, as it should be.

The only problem I see with this system is that teams employing the
no-huddle offense may be too quick for the replay official to stop.
This would also come into play during two-minute drills.  But it seems a
better idea than what has been proposed, and definitely better than what
they had, IMHO.  Perhaps they could have this system in effect, with one
requested replay look per team per half (to be used in two-minute drills.)
It sounds plausible to me.  What do you think?
Jason Gische
I think the Jets were robbed.  Wah.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Steelers win at Houston! (ESPN sux)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 9 SEP 92 18:51:23 GMT


In a previous article, kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) wrote:
>Phil Dietz (pdietz@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
>> 5 ints is excellent.  The secondary was the reason why Pittsburgh
>> beat the Oilers.  
>> 
>Didn't the Steeler D do this last season against Moon (6 INTS or
>something) as well?
> 
The Steelers did indeed do the same thing to Moon, less than a year ago.
The 5 interceptions match a career high for Warren Moon.

Bart
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Denver vs. Philadelphia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:36:00 GMT

	I was wondering how we'd match up against Denver next
week at the Vet.

	I have a question about Denver's offensive line.
I hear that they're young and being rebuilt and that they've
given up quite a lot of sacks already.  If this is true, then
our GangGreen D should drive Elway into the ground like a
wooden stake this Sunday.
	I hope we can keep Elway from getting enough time to
throw and knock him around enough to prevent him from ever
getting into any sort of rhythm.  If we can win the war in
trenches, then barring any special teams breakdowns, we should
decisively beat Denver at the Vet.  Still, I wonder.  Elway
always seems to have a way of bringing their team back from
the dead and he can scramble....

	Anyway, I think our offense should be capable of
putting at least 21+ pts. vs. Denver's defense which I hope
should be enough to win.  Right?   I don't know much about
Denver's D.  How good is their defensive line?  I know their
linebackers are good.  And how good are their secondary?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz )
Subject: Re: 16-TEAM FFL INFO!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:21:40 GMT

Ok, then drop Steve Bono and add Hugh Millen to my roster. ALso, I have 
2  K from the NFC East, but Greg DAvis plays for Phoenix, who finished
last in 1991 and will NOT have the same off week as the rest of the NFC East, so
so my K should be OK.

I was at the Bears game yesterday. AWESOME!!! Waddle for Mayor!!
(And he gave me some points too!)

Doug Mraz


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DA BULLS! GO BLACKHAWKS! WHITE SOX WIN, YES!
From: glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Gene A Heyler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What gives with the TV coverage (Why I hate KYW)
Date: 15 Sep 1992 09:33:32 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


The 1st week Steeler-Oiler game was not on in the DC area, however I was
visiting relatives in Philly that week. I saw in both TV Guide and Inquirer
that KYW Ch 3 would have the game. So get lunch over, get the kids occupied,
and settle in to watch the Steelers, but noooooooo.......... KYW decides to
put on a movie and carry the 4:00 game instead.

   How can they do this? Don't they have commitments to both games?
 And why would they do this? Wouldn't a football game get a lot more viewers
than some 20 yr old movie?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer News - Buckley signs
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:01:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.203747.21517@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>Terrell Buckley signed today for $7.1 million for 4 years ($1.775 M/yr).
>He flew down to Tampa Bay immediately after signing.  He says he's 
>going to 'really scrap' to try to play this weekend.  Yeah, sure, 
>fine.

Interesting that GB gave in and paid him so much.

	[ ... ]

>Packers Practice Squad:
>WR - Chris Holder (waived by Packers)
>DE - Sabastion Barrie (waived by Packers)
>OT - Brent Griffith  (waived by Vikings)
>WR - Horace Ham  (waived by Falcons)
>OT - Brian Brauninger  (waived by Cardinals)

Slight irony:  Brauninger was the 6th round choice Green Bay sent to
the Cards for Tootie Robbins.  So, in effect, Phoenix got nothing for
Robbins, and GB at least has an extra OL prospect.

	[ ... ]
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Mann)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:52:59 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Player Status: Brian Blades (SEAT)
Reply-To: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

I hear Blades is out 6-9 weeks?  Has he been placed on IR?
What's the scoop?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Super Bowl (Was: Re: The Niners are the favorites.)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:39:00 GMT

psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva) writes:
>  [Dallas] hadn't done anything consistantly for about a 
>  decade (except lose) and we're supposed to believe the current group in 
>  Dallas with a successful year last year is the second coming of the 
>  1970s teams?

Dallas had records of 7-9, 3-13, 1-15, and 7-9 over a 4 year streak from 1986
to 1990.  They won the division in 1985.  Yet they consistently lose?  They 
lost a bunch of games 2 seasons. That hardly constitutes a decade of consistent 
losing, now does it?

--
Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
  


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From: vish@nd.edu (Vishwamber Yelsangikar)
Subject: Bills Schedule for this season.....
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Uni or Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:54:07 GMT

Could some one mail me Buffalo Bills's this season schedule please???


Thanks....
Vishwamber Yelsangikar
Network Engineer.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Timm Rosenbach
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:21:41 GMT

In article <19920908.104710.304@almaden.ibm.com> mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>I read in the local paper that Rosenbach was hurt in the Tampa game.
>What is the extent of his injury??
>
Good news: Timm only has a slight concussion though he still complains
of soreness in his back and neck. Timm was injured when rookie DT San-
tana Dotson (Baylor,  5th round)  cleanly blind sided him in the third
quarter.   Actually,  much of the credit for the sack must go to newly
acquired corner  Darryl Pollard  who the 49'ers let slip through their
fingers  at the end of camp.   Darryl had perfect coverage on "Thrill"
Hill on that play which caused Rosenbach to hesitate just long enough.
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From: syang@rossini.eng.uci.edu (Guess)
Subject: Dallas Cowboys
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:41:03 GMT
Distribution: usa

By now, everyone should know that Dallas Cowboys defeated Redskins.
Cowboys beat Redskins with the line(offense and defense) and good performance 
by their WR(Irvin and Harper). 

Even with dominating win, there are some areas that worries me
1. Secondary.  All I can say is thank god Rypien was rusty!!!!
2. Interception.  Aikman is still throwing too many interceptions!
3. Kicker.  Elliot missed 32 yd FG.  I just hope that no game depends on 
	    Elliot kicking FG.
From: cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Greg Barron)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: how many ex-Vikes still active from the Walker trade????
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:35:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Clemson University

reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams) writes:

>Where is Mike Lynn anyway? We'll probably have to trade Ike Holt 
>before the year is out.


Last I heard, he was the commish of the World League.
If this is true, he'll be safe there....the WLAF 
doesn't allow trading.

BwaaaaAAAAAAAa-HA-HA-Ha-Ha-HA-HA!! chuckle-snort-gasp!

Another Cowboy fan heard from,
PEACE.


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cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu, cowboy@clemson.clemson.edu
GO COWBOYS!  ************************  Beat New York! 
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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Danny Noonan Cut? Wow!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:54:43 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

I have very little to say on this topic, but it is not the first time
that I have seen a high priced veteran go without a trade.  At first,
I thought that the value of Noonan would have increased from the draft
due to his additional playing time (he has played the run extremely
well), and the fact that NFL coaches would (after 2 weeks) now be
looking for people to fill the holes left by players that let them
down or got injured.  When Maryland and Casillas got hurt and Noonan
played a lot and well (and started), I thought that this was the
perfect means to raise his trade value.

Thinking about it now, it becomes evident what has happened (or a
possibility anyway).  The NFL owners have settled on an acceptable (or
not so acceptable) salary structure for their teams following the
final cut.  This structure is now not only under the control of the
coaches (as it was for the most part before the final cut), but now it
is under the greedy eyes of the NFL bean counters, a ruthless lot.

I think now that no team that was interested in Noonan (previously
thought to have been offered a #4 pick for during the draft) because
of the salary structure agreed upon by the managers and owners.  A
player of higher caliber might make an exception in the rules, but
Noonan just wasn't quite good enough to give up a #4 AND $625,000 this
year, emphasis on the $625,000.

It is a shame, but I think that Johnson was hoisted on his own petard.
He was almost certainly thinking along these lines with the increase
in playing time that Noonan got, and he is now frustrated that he
didn't learn this lesson earlier.  He will not make this mistake
again, I should think.  Next time Noonan would be trade during the
draft, or a decision would be made to accept his release...

Noonan was a tough player whose 15 sacks in 5 seasons never quite
matched the production the Cowboys had hoped for.  Always being more
comfortable against the run, he rarely shaped a game like a Reggie
White does routinely.  They expected more from a #1 pick and feel that
the depth on the DL can more than cover it.

I will miss Noonan because of his good attitude (read great attitude)
and work ethic.  He was there when they needed him and didn't make a
fuss. His release does not hurt the Cowboys too much, indeed it gives
Hennings an opportunity to move back inside where he is probably at
his best.  He has struggled at end and not been active for either game
so far.  In the long run it is the best for the Cowboys and Noonan, in
the short term it is kindof sad....

*one crystalized aqueous writer's opinion*

p.s. maybe they can use this money to sign Emmitt next year....