HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: apg085@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Odwin)
Subject: Re: Sheer Energy from Music
Organization: Coventry University, Coventry, UK.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:23:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.220216.12845@dvorak.amd.com> erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell) writes:
>In article <ABOULANG.93Jan18164040@kariba.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>>
>>I wonder if anybody else have experienced the following:
>>
>>Currently I have a cold or something. I feel crappy. I felt crappy
>>going to my normal Sunday night skating session. The first 1/2 hr or so
>>I still feel crappy and wonder if I should just go home. BUT THEN...
>>
>
>I generally don't skate with raging colds - it does terrible things to my
>jumps and spins.  Still I do find that skating - or any virorous exercise
>for that matter helps my allergies.
>
>
>>In more detail, I wonder if folks have experienced:
>>
>>  1) Breaking the barrier. I always have to do this. Sometimes it takes
>>  a short time -- sometimes 1/2 to an hour is necessary. Once you break
>>  this barrier you have on tap raw skating energy. It seems to be
>>  related to warming up so that you are limber and your heart is
>>  pumping. Bad problems can happen if you over extend yourself before
>>  breaking the barrier, but not after.
>>
>
>I often step on the ice ready to go.  However once in a while I go through
>this phase of getting my legs back.  I never know why they aren't there,     
>it just feels like they have no push in them.  Then all of a sudden they
>start working and I am good for the rest of the night. :)
>
>
>>  2) Transcending what woes you. I have always found skating to be good
>>  therapy, even when I am sick with the cold or whatnot. The times when
>>  it really doesn't work is when by balance is thrown of by, for
>>  example, a bad cold.
>>
>
>There is a lot to this since you can't focus on your jumps and spins     
>unless you drop the daily garbage.  It is great therapy.  
>
>Regards, Ed.

I also find this happens if a am depresed or excited I can always get my
energy channeled in to my skating, but if I am feeling lo it does take a little 
time to get in the mood. 
I think it must be something to do with the cold air going into your lungs
that gets your heart racing and your adrenilin (I can't spell) pumping. 
Or maybe it is just the memoreys of all the fantastic times that I have had
while skating, (be it memorys of a competition that I skate in or one I watched
or just something that Happened while I was with my friends at the rink) that 
come flooding back to me as I skake round the rink! 
Who knows? Who cares? All I know is that I enjoy it somuch and can't stay away
from the rink!


		            Always Remember!

Whatever Happens, Happens. Whatever Happens because something Happened Happens.
	Something that Happens because it Happened itself Happens
		   But not always in cronological order        
 	    		THAT'S ALL FOR NOW BYE
			        Odwin
			apg085@uk.ac.cov.cch       
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skating Gifs
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:59:41 GMT
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: kcreta@sedona.intel.com's message of 27 Jan 93 22:44:34 GMT


In article <C1JB6B.3rw@inews.Intel.COM> kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta) writes:


   Does anyone out there have any cool gifs of blading.  An airborne shot would
   be great.

Likewise any gifs of traditional roller skating. Say someone doing the
broken ankle spin, or funky skating. Please do *not* post gifs here
though. Put them on the alt.binaries tree.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:41:41 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

>>have their scores boosted.   For example, suppose Nancy Kerrigan and, oh,
>>Nicole Bobek switched the routines, and each skated as well as the other
> ...
>
>I'm not sure of the exact scores in the women's competition on Saturday,
>but I'd be careful about thinking Nancy won because she was given
>automatic higher scores. She was in 1st going in to the long program,
>
>win the long program. I'd check the exact finishes first, before
>thinking Nancy got history marks. 
>
>I personally thought Lisa was better
>than Nancy, but Nancy had a really big lead over Lisa to begin with

IMHO - none of these Ladies' skating was up to par.  I feel that the Senior
Ladies field is very weak right now.  Nancy clearly held back - but IMO
also was much better than the rest of the skaters.  You could see that
she had something in reserve, the younger skaters clearly went for it, but
didn't have as much to give.  We probably won't do very well at Worlds.
I am now left hoping that the Europeans are weaker than we are.  Chin Lu (?)
would be my bet for winning Worlds unless Nancy comes back around. 

IMHO - the only exciting portion of the singles competition was Scott
Davis.  He has matured wonderfully in the last year and it really shows.
I don't think he can take Boitano - but he could easily take Bowman and
many of the international skaters, if they reinstate.

Regards, Ed.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: werdna@iastate.edu (Mr. Albinger)
Subject: skate street hockey
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:02:01 GMT

There are a group of us here at Iowa State University who have never played 
hockey but want to.  Could anyone e- mail me advice/rules/information on
how to play street hockey.  

Also,  Do most inline skaters rocker their skates?  any advice on rockering?

Thanx in advance.

werdna@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Keywords: xxx
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:16:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220101.6723@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

|> 1) In all catagories there were no exceptional performances except for
|> Scott Davis who really wowed the crowd.  His opening triple axel was
|> really enhanced by his music (the slow buildup to a sudden blast of
|> music from West Side Story: he timed it perfectly).  BTW, was he
|> supposed to be a jet or a shark (not hockey) :-) ?

I went back and watched my old tapes of Davis at Skate Canada and
Skate America, where he performed the same program.  It keeps getting
better and better.

|> 4) John Curry has AIDS???

Yeah.  I heard that some time back.  Apparently he is back in England
and is very sick.  :(

|> 6) My vote for tackiest event of the night: the tv people showed the above
|> mentioned fall twice in slow motion.  Shades of Joe Theisman breaking his
|> leg in slow motion on monday night football.

A close second: the detail on Mark Mitchell claiming that he's "seeing a
woman."  Come _on_.

|> 7) Anyone catch Calla Urbanskis (attempted) double axel?  She does her axel
|> by throwing her right arm forward *before* her free leg starts in motion.  
|> As the free leg comes forward she pulls her arm *back* in order to get into
|> the rotational position.  Pretty wild.  Kids, do not try this at home.

How about the way she bit Rocky's head off at that practice?  "Who do you
think you're skating with here?"  Yipes!  Wouldn't want to meet _her_ in
a dark alley!  :-)

Sol
--------------

My opinions, not Loral's.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Blade laces
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:17:12 GMT

I've only hhad my blades for about a month, but I've already been through three
pairs of laces. At $2 a pair, I'm not too upset yet, but its starting to get to be
a pain in the butt.  I can accept that maybe getting the Zetra lace-ups was not
the best idea in the world and this in itself maybe the chief culprit, but does
anybody know of any kind of laces that will last more than an outing or two
before getting completely frayed and snapping?  

Oh, BTW, thanks for the helmet recommendations a while back. I'm now the proud
owner of a Bell microshell lid.

---Steve
-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me
From: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inline/ice speed skates, recommendations
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:09:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA


RRATEICK@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>I want to purchase inline speed skates this spring.  Does anyone have
>any recommendations/comments on convertable inline/ice speed skates, such
>Kazaz.  Can ice blades be mounted on Roces, Riedell or Pro-Blade boots?
>Are mounting systems for inline frames and ice blades standard?  I would
>appreciate any comments on these or related issues.  If you respond via
>e-mail, I will summarize in a later post.

Ice speedskating boots are the way to go.  Several choices are: Bont, Raps,
and Viking.  There are many brands of inline frames that can be bolted on,
such as Mogema, Zandstra, and Powerline to name a few.  Of course, ice
blades attach, as well.  These boots have been used and developed for
years and their manufacturers know what they are doing, unlike some inline
manufacturers trying to develop a new racing skate model.





-- 
Michael Peters
WIN Management Services
Michael.Peters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!wtcd!mpeters
From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Inline gifs
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


I posted this once but I didn't see it on my server but anyways...

Does anyone have any cool inline gifs, jpgs, etc?  A cool airborne would
be great.

					Ken
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Sore Feet and Eclipses
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1jl7atINN62u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby) writes:
> 
> Just took up in-line skating, and am suffering the same ailment
> that afflicted me while snow skiing.  Sore feet.  I have wide
> feet, and they don't seem entirely compatible with my skates.
> I am using California Pro Nitrolines, brand new.  Any chance
> they'll break in?  I know ski boots don't.  Would I be 
> likely to have more comfort in more expensive skates?
> 
> What is the advisability of heating my shells up with a hair
> dryer and then clamping my feet in them? -- this worked great
> with my old Nordica ski boots, but I'm a little hesitant to
> try it with new, expensive skates.

Same kind of material and design, same technique should work.

I'd say it doesn't really matter that they're new and expensive,
any pain that takes the pleasure out of skating should be
addressed as quickly as possible!

> Alternative might be to cut some slots around my wide spots,
> but again, it seems like a potentially costly experiment.

I would think that cutting slots would weaken the skates,
which the heat and expand wouldn't.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Braking in general w/inlines (was Re: Faster t-stop (how to))
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:22:42 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader) writes:
|Brent Burton writes:
|>The very first thing I learned is that the rear brake is nearly worthless.
|
|Everybody thinks that when they first start skating. If the brake doesn't.
|start screaming on a panic stop, you aren't applying enough pressure. 

Just a quick note.  I had later followed up to my post, explaining that
the brakes are more effective than I originally gave them credit for.

I've been really working on these rear brakes -- I've got it down so that
I can put nearly all my weight on the brake to stop (with slight lifting
of the other skate).  The rear brakes, ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT, are
quite effective, but not as effective as sliding, for example.  

There is a magazine I've come across, simply called _INLiNE_ ("The Skater's
Magazine") that had a good article on beginning inliners.  The editor
took two folks out who had never been on inlines before (the asst editor [!]
and a bicyclist) and observed their troubles.  The short conclusion is
that actual skating is not hard, but braking is the most difficult
task to accomplish for the beginner, and therefore, one of the first things
a skater should learn.  That's what I'm teaching my girlfriend now.

Well, I've had my skates a little over a week and love it.  I've skated
all my life on one form or another (roller, board, ramps, etc) but
inlines add some new facet to skating that I can't quite put my finger
on.  Anyway, it's been a blast.

Thanks to all for the comments, braking technique suggestions, etc, that
came pouring in from my original post.  This group has been quite helpful.

-Brent
-- 
+-------------------------+
| Brent Burton    N5VMG   |    
| bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu |  
+-------------------------+ 
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: acourt@ncc.uky.edu (Allan Courtney)
Subject: Re: Sheer Energy from Music
Reply-To: acourt@ncc.uky.edu
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:26:57 GMT

apg085@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Odwin) writes:

: I think it must be something to do with the cold air going into your lungs
: that gets your heart racing and your adrenilin (I can't spell) pumping. 
: Or maybe it is just the memoreys of all the fantastic times that I have had
: while skating, (be it memorys of a competition that I skate in or one I watched
: or just something that Happened while I was with my friends at the rink) that 
: come flooding back to me as I skake round the rink! 
: Who knows? Who cares? All I know is that I enjoy it somuch and can't stay away
: from the rink!

This caused me to remember something I recently read, which I include here:


There is only one good reason to learn how to skate, and that is for the sheer
fun of it.  Certainly you may have other reasons, quite good ones in fact; but
if you don't love the idea of gliding on ice, if you are not thrilled by the
thought of leaping into the air, or if the image of a cold wind biting your
cheeks as you fly around the rink does not send welcome shivers up your spine,
then skating is not for you.  If you start skating in search of its pleasures
and thrills you'll find unimagined fulfillment.
                                        - John Misha Petkevich

--
                      Allan Courtney  acourt@ncc.uky.edu 
     Real computer nerds use external modems...We like the blinky lights.
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: skate street hockey
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:54:17 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

werdna@iastate.edu (Mr. Albinger) writes:

> There are a group of us here at Iowa State University who have never played 
> hockey but want to.  Could anyone e- mail me advice/rules/information on
> how to play street hockey.  

There's a FAQ on this.  I assembled it, but have been remiss in updating it.
Still, you'll find a lot of useful information there.  Keep an eye out for
it; it and all the other FAQ's are periodically posted by our administrator,
Tony Chen.

> Also,  Do most inline skaters rocker their skates?  any advice on rockering?

My advice:  Don't do it.  Turning ability will be affected only slightly. 
Speed and stability, unfortunately, will be affected considerably.

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043
darling@cellar.org \\\ FACT Digital Sound Lab: "Truth Through Technology"
v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v
From: sk82wind@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Peter P Zapalo)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Unfair judging
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:25:27 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Anyone who routinely follows the amateur competitive scene in figure skating
knows that the judging can be less than fair, where "established" skaters
can skate poorly but still win, whereas younger skaters can be brilliant,
but lose anyway.  However, I have never seen a case as blatant as what
happened to my friend Derrick Delmore this past weekend.

Derrick was skating in the Junior Mens' competition.  He, along with two
other boys, Michael Weiss, the eventual champion, and another, skated
perfect technical programs.  All three had comparable difficulty
(triple-lutz combinations).  After the technical program, Michael was in
first, this other guy in second, and Derrick was NINTH.  The person in
fourth fell, the guy in sixth did a double-double combination...I could go
on, but basically, Derrick was severely cheated.

His coach made a formal complaint to the referee, who was "extremely
defensive."  Carol Heiss, coach of Lisa Ervin, also complained to the
judges, and she's not even direcly involved with Derrick's coaching.

In the long, Derrick completed all of his triple jumps except his triple
axel, which he fell on (he was the only Junior to attempt one).  Michael
Weiss double a couple of his triples and fell on his triple flip.  Yet
Michael received five first place votes and Derrick was marked sixth best to
finish seventh overall.

One of the comment's made to Derrick's coach by Carol Heiss was that the
judges thought he was small and young (he's only 14).  I think that's a poor
excuse to downgrade a skater so severely, and we certainly didn't see that
in the Ladies' Competition!

The whole philosophy behind "waiting your turn" is very flawed (although
most people are glad we send Paul Wylie to the Olympics instead of Mark
Mitchell).  I suppose it "really" doesn't matter that Derrick didn't win this
year, as there are no Junior Worlds in the immediate future (there are
Junior Worlds, but team members are selected, not competing for spots on the
team).  However, finishing sixth probably cuts his chances for being
selected for international competitions in the upcoming year.

I have lost a lot of respect for the competitive sport in the last week and
I hope that the national judging will improve in years to come.


--PPZ III	<<sk82wind@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>>
From: gt4719b@prism.gatech.EDU (Dave Frascone)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Rebuilding Berrings?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:32:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I have recently started re-using worn berrings.  I use the 
Orange cleaner, and Banana oil that one skate shop here in
atlanta recomends.

Does anyone else have any other favorites?


Dave
-- 
gt4719b@prism.gatech.edu
From: erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Adult figure skaters [was Re: Who's who of net.figure.skaters]
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:22:27 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <JOHN.93Jan25014219@azulita.cactus.org> john@azulita.cactus.org (John R. Miller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.193756.24385@dvorak.amd.com> erussell@dvorak.amd.com (Ed Russell) writes:
>   What bugs me about this is that the COACHES as well as ISIA and USFSA have
>   a completely different set of standards for adults.  Not that I don't think
>   that the tests shouldn't be different in USFSA - but rather that passing
>   should be passing should be passing no matter what!  I don't want to pass
>   a test more easily than I would if I were 30 years younger.
>
>You want testing to be the same for adults as for kids.  That sounds
>admirable.  My experience has been that the testing standards are no
>easier for adults.  I'm referring to the normal USFSA tests.  I have
>little experience with ISIA and none with USFSA adult tests.  As for
>your coaches, your relationship them is largely your own doing.
>Certainly, as an adult you have a better chance of negotiating the
>relationship you want than does an eight year old.
>
There are different passing averages and minimums for adults on some of the
tests in USFSA.  It's in the rules.  In fact the adults, who can take the
standard test I believe, also have had special test made up just for them,
for instance:  Adult Bronze, Silver, Gold.  There are also Masters tests and
Adult tests in dance.

Yes you can negotiate with the coaches to have higher standards.  But this 
is not the default position.  And it takes you a while to find out what is
really going on.  Generally you have no idea what you look like until
you see yourself on tape.

>   I am also a little bugged that adult skaters do not have a USFSA national
>   competition to go to!  Where is it?  We need one!  ISIA has one (of sorts).
>
>But you want adults to have their own special competition.  Why?
>These two positions seem inconsistent.  Adults can of course compete
>in the Senior events (and for that matter Junior and Novice as well).
>Some regions (and some sections also?) include special adult events.
>I can certainly understand the desire to skate for a medal without
>having to slug it out with the youngsters, but surely this suggests
>one does not really want to be taken quite seriously.  That the USFSA
>might conclude from this that the testing standards should also be
>less strict wouldn't seem outrageous.
>

Not inconsistent at all.  The standards are different, and there are 
competitions that are already set up through the Regional and Sectional
levels.  But not for Nationals.  Why not?  I can understand that a 50 year
old might not fare well against a 20 year old, and anyone in their right
mind will admit that.  As for the judging to be the same - I would hope
that the scoring would be totally consistent.  I would expect it to be, and
that it would reflect the difference in attainable skill.

Regards, Ed.
>I can understand both points of view.  I'm just trying to see which
>yours is.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Braking in general w/inlines (was Re: Faster t-stop (how to))
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:03:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.38784
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <106500@netnews.upenn.edu> ericfitz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric Fitzpatrick) writes:
> 
> I really hate to T-stop with my new wheels on, due to the trmendous amount of 
> wear it inflicts. Going down a hill the other night, I noticed that I had not 
> replaced my brakes after playing hockey (we were told to take 'em off ..real 
> nice wooden rink in New Orleans). Anyway, instead of T-stopping, I started to 
> slalom in wide arcs. Having lost some speed, I looped to start skating in the
> opposite direction. I tried this a few more times and really found it a real 
> good technique for improving on "brakeless" stops and overall control....also,
> I avoided skating into a  busy intersection.

Being a skiier, the slalom comes natural, but there are two problems.  One, on
the abrupt little hills here it is very hard to keep from speeding up anyway,
no matter how hard you scrub the turns.  Two, it gets really nerve wracking
when a couple cars come whizzing by and you don't have the whole (country) road
or even a whole lane to turn it.

The slalom method is quite useful, but you need to have a couple fallbacks in
hand when it won't work - t-stop, brake or a hop, skip & jump into the weeds.
Once you've lost your "comfortable" speed control, things can get dicey.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate