HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: Avalon Hill RQ Products
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:12:18 GMT

rowe@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe) writes:

>All of you who have just bought the excellent River of Cradles supplement
>from Avalon Hill make sure you fill in the questionnaire and check the box
>stating you want your future supplements in boxes.  Better yet, in the opinion
>section tell them that you will never buy another AH product of any kind until
>they do.  Wouldn't all those nice maps have fitted better in a box?  Say one
>that matched the size of earlier ones and had a number on the bottom that
>looked really neat when all lined up together on the shelf.  Advocate boxes!

>eric

Absolutely not.  Boxes are bulky and *expensive*.  AH will spend too 
much money on the box and skimp  on the insides - like printing the book in 
that flimsy paper like all the other boxed RQ sets.  Not to mention that the
overall price of the supplement will jump from $16 to $25.

The perfect bound format is a welcome relief, and if Sun County and River of
Cradles stand up to wear-and-tear, a good one.  As for the maps, slip them
into plastic cover sheets (available from any business supply store) and
keep them in a binder with notes and character sheets.

Just say no to more boxes.


-- 
Clay Luther
cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
From: z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: RPGs and Suicide
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:06:49 CST
Followup-To: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1993Jan11.141905.26089@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
 cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters) writes:
> In article <justinf-090192160741@macintosh19.cco.caltech.edu>
> justinf@cco.caltech.edu (Justin Fang) writes:
 
>>because of D&D, these figures give us a suicide rate of 5 per 100,000 per
>>year. According to the US Department of Health and Human Services, the
>>national suicide rate was 12.2 per 100,000 in 1989.
>>
>>The conclusion is obvious! D&D prevents suicide! Everyone should play D&D!
>>:)
>

Don't laugh.  It could be true.  I remember times when I contemplated offing
myself, but decided against it because my character Spiritwalker Dreamsail
would never finish his campaign in Ravenloft.  (Yes, imagine Ravenloft saving a
life.)  I didn't seriously consider suicide, I was just depressed and running
all the alternatives through my head.  If I didn't game, I still would have
found a reason to live.  But I suspect that those who seriously consider
suicide might have similar trains of thought.
     None the less, statistics can be funny.
 
>But, pity the poor people who listen to Country music, since they have a higher
>suicide rate than the national average.  I wonder of a Country-Music-listening
>gamer hits the national average?  B^& (eating pretzels)
> -Coyt

Well, be wary of Country music with Satanic lyrics.  Try playing an old Hank
Williams record backwards.  Hey, isn't Bocephous another name for the devil?

Z_CoolidgeJS@ccsvax.sfasu.edu      Jonathan S. Coolidge
    /|     |\       You see before you in the darkness two beady little eyes
   / | O o | \      staring behind a thin slit between two giant panels.  Below
  /  |     |  \     is a tiny candle, flickering a faint orange light.  The
 /   |  @  |   \    being looks at you and says:
/    |  T  |    \     Make a roll vs. your strength, and hurry up; I want to
                      finish this game by two.
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From: TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill)
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Organization: Motorola
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:10:32 CST

Many, many thanks to all who mailed/posted to help me with my lack of
knowledge about guacamole.

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From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:44:18 GMT

jmedway@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (johnjmedway) writes:

>In article <cluther.726442068@morticia> cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther) writes:
>>
>>No, I call chili a savory stew made from shredded chuck, chiles, onions, 
>>comino, garlic, and tomatoes.  The salsa above is guacamole.

>ARGH! No! 

>No tomatoes. 
>No beans (you got that right). 
>And for all you poor misguided sould in Cincinnati, Ohio, 
>you don't put any stinking spaghetti in it!


Definitely no beans, but the standard Terlingua Pride chili is tomato based 
according to "Foods of the Southwest - Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona" as
is LBJ's favorite chili (Ladybird Chili), but it is made with coarse ground
instead of shredded, and thus not my preferred.



>Ahem, sorry. Maybe I've been in Texas too long.



>----------------------------------------------------------------
>jmedway@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu       "Take the easy way out
>a.k.a. john j medway              if it's all you can think of."
>                                  -- Hunters & Collectors
>----------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
Clay Luther
cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
From: plantee@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Plante Eric)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Problem with battletech
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:34:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

My problem is that I lost my documentation for battletech and I don't remember
the password in the map's room(the one with the planets);if you have the game,
email me at 'plantee@jsp.umontreal.ca'
            
                  thanks!
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From: TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill)
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Organization: Motorola
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:38:24 CST

From: manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz)
>>
>>My favorite range of figures ever, Dark Future - lovely for any Cyber
>>game - has been stopped by Citadel because the big box with a couple of
>>bits of plastic in wasn't selling well enough and the game didn't hit
>>their target demographics correctly. This worries me, the big marketing
>>words are taking over the hobby fast.

>Oh, and it didn't really matter that the rules for the game aren't worth a
>pile of guacamole?? The only thing that made them even nearly usable was the
>WHITE LINE FEVER supplement. They promised a second supplement DEAD MANS
>CURVE, which never materialized. Even with these, I have the suspicion that
>the whole thing would need a MAJOR rewrite, somehow managing to keep a lot
>of the nice concepts in the rules (easy to modify vehicles, moddeling
>opportunities, etc.) intact before it would be usable. Since Games Sweatshop
>doesn't care about them anymore, it looks like a job for Corsair press..

Must admit I never bought the game, was interested but the price put me
off a lot. My joy was the figures which WERE selling very well, to the
point that the moulds of the early designs were starting to die. They
didn't exactly try to market it either compared to their other boxes,
the ones that fit into the 'Warhammer universe' marketing ploy.

What annoyed me was that they axed what I consider to be the best non-
fantasy figure range ever made purely because the boxed set was a flop.
They also managed to axe it before I'd got the entire range, or what I
consider enough of them for my present use: figures for CP2020 games.
They don't get used often, but they're great when they do.

Who are Corsair Press?

By the way, what is 'guacamole'? I've been wondering for a while as it
gets mentioned quite often.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Gill, internet TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com
MOTOROLA LMPS, European fin. MIS, Camberley Surrey UK

These opinions are mine, mine all mine   nya,ha,ha !
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From: mark@cheers.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: Steve Jackson Games Internet connection
Organization: NASA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:57:03 GMT

Say Loyd...


   Why not have your BBS simply call one of the BBS's in your
area which already have a usenet connection?  Then all you'd be
paying is $20.00 or so a month.  Sort of like how Fidonet works
(I think).

In Dallas there are the following bbs'.

1-214-254-3404
1-214-436-3281

In Austin there are the following bbs'.

1-512-346-2339

In Houston there are the following bbs'.

1-713-568-0480
1-713-668-7176
1-713-684-5900

  Anyway, just an idea.  You might want to try modeming to them
first to see what they are like.  Then you modify your bbs to call
their bbs and to upload/download all e-mail.

PS:Does David Martin still do your art work?  If so, tell him
Mark Manning says hello.  Don't know if it is THE David Martin
I knew in high school, but I saw him at your booth in Dallas
years ago at Origins and it looked like him.  He was busy signing
artwork so I didn't want to intrude at the time.  If my name doesn't
ring a bell with David - tell him I read palms at the haunted
house we made one year.  Oh.  And tell him Bill says hello too.
Later.
From: PunisherX@cup.portal.com (M Phil Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Spacemaster
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 09:41:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I am looking for files available for ftp for SpaceMaster, Rolemaster and 
Cyberpunk. Does anybody know of any ftp sites for these games
From: manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:57:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec29.042352.3381@schbbs.mot.com> TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill) writes:
>From: philipd@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Philip Dutre)
>
>

>
>My favorite range of figures ever, Dark Future - lovely for any Cyber
>game - has been stopped by Citadel because the big box with a couple of
>bits of plastic in wasn't selling well enough and the game didn't hit
>their target demographics correctly. This worries me, the big marketing
>words are taking over the hobby fast.

Oh, and it didn't really matter that the rules for the game aren't worth a
pile of guacamole?? The only thing that made them even nearly usable was the
WHITE LINE FEVER supplement. They promised a second supplement DEAD MAN'S
CURVE, which never materialized. Even with these, I have the suspicion that
the whole thing would need a MAJOR rewrite, somehow managing to keep a lot
of the nice concepts in the rules (easy to modify vehicles, moddeling
opportunities, etc.) intact before it would be usable. Since Games Sweatshop
doesn't care about them anymore, it looks like a job for Corsair press...
From: jmedway@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (johnjmedway)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:46:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <cluther.726442068@morticia> cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther) writes:
>gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>
>>In article <cluther.726363987@morticia> cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther) writes:
>>>TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill) writes:
....
>>	Blecch!  You call that CHILI???
>
>>George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
>
>No, I call chili a savory stew made from shredded chuck, chiles, onions, 
>comino, garlic, and tomatoes.  The salsa above is guacamole.

ARGH! No! 

No tomatoes. 
No beans (you got that right). 
And for all you poor misguided sould in Cincinnati, Ohio, 
you don't put any stinking spaghetti in it!


Ahem, sorry. Maybe I've been in Texas too long.



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a.k.a. john j medway              if it's all you can think of."
                                  -- Hunters & Collectors
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From: loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Boxes or Books (was: Avalon Hill RQ Products)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:34:30 GMT
Organization: Wharton Marketing

In article <ROWE.93Jan12011251@soda.berkeley.edu> rowe@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe) writes:
>All of you who have just bought the excellent River of Cradles supplement
>from Avalon Hill make sure you fill in the questionnaire and check the box
>stating you want your future supplements in boxes.  

But I don't like my supplements in boxes. They cost more for the same page 
count, take more shelf width and height, barely fit on my bookshelves, and 
the stapled booklets are flimsy and fall apart too easily. I'd rather they 
used a sewn hardback binding for anything that you want to last, and if they 
include loose maps then put them in pouches on the inside of the front or 
back cover.

Does anybody know what the difference in production cost is between glued 
perfect bound softbacks, boxed, and sewn signatures in a hardback (AD&D 
style)?

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++23
Loren Miller              LOREN@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu
Time am I, wreaker of the world's destruction, matured, grimly
resolved here to swallow up the worlds.             -- Krishna
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:11:49 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <cluther.726363987@morticia> cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther) writes:
>TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill) writes:
>
>>By the way, what is 'guacamole'? I've been wondering for a while as it
>>gets mentioned quite often.
>
>Take 2 ripe avocados.  Gently mash in a bowl.
>Add 1/2 chopped onion (red preferred)
>Add 1 chopped ripe tomato
>Add 1 chopped jalapeno
>Add 1/4c chopped cilantro
>Add juice of 1/2 lime
>Mix together gently.  Salt and pepper to taste.  Serve with tostados.

	Blecch!  You call that CHILI???

>Clay Luther
>cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
--
gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
Dept. of Mathematics            
Tufts University              			The Conversation  
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
From: jasonr@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jason F Ralph)
Subject: Re: AD&D bashing (was Re: Getting up my nose (Top 5 games))
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:51:13 GMT

> matthias@nsr.hp.com (Matthias Kamm) writes:
>: -Shelley Louie
>: Digital is illusion. Life is analog.
>
>Haven't you ever heard of quantum physics!?

Quantum physics IS analog! (And who ever claimed that quantum physics
had anything to do with reality anyway?)


Love and hugs from,

Splottie-kins (unrealistic and unsympathetic).
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From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:27:48 GMT

gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:

>In article <cluther.726363987@morticia> cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther) writes:
>>TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill) writes:
>>
>>>By the way, what is 'guacamole'? I've been wondering for a while as it
>>>gets mentioned quite often.
>>
>>Take 2 ripe avocados.  Gently mash in a bowl.
>>Add 1/2 chopped onion (red preferred)
>>Add 1 chopped ripe tomato
>>Add 1 chopped jalapeno
>>Add 1/4c chopped cilantro
>>Add juice of 1/2 lime
>>Mix together gently.  Salt and pepper to taste.  Serve with tostados.

>	Blecch!  You call that CHILI???

>George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  

No, I call chili a savory stew made from shredded chuck, chiles, onions, 
comino, garlic, and tomatoes.  The salsa above is guacamole.
-- 
Clay Luther
cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
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From: cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters)
Subject: Re: Boxes or Books (was: Avalon Hill RQ Products)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:30:15 GMT

In article <loren.253@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu> loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) writes:

>Does anybody know what the difference in production cost is between glued 
>perfect bound softbacks, boxed, and sewn signatures in a hardback (AD&D 
>style)?

I'll check some of my sources.  HEY LOYD!  ANSWER LOREN'S QUESTION!

I do know that glued perfect bound books costs are surprisingly low.

In the _Paper Direct_ catalog (1-800-a-papers)  *NOT AN AD*, there is a system
called the "PaperStation," which is targeted towards the small desktop 
publisher.  It uses a thermal system.

Ignoring the cost of the binding unit itself (which is > $500 US), the cost of 
a cover (and these costs are HIGH because of low quantities) is about $1.39.

The absolutely worst way to release a product is in the disasterous 3-ring
format, UNLESS:

1)	Reinforced Paper is used.  Paper with a mylar reinforcing strip through
	which the holes are drilled has been available for quite a while.

2)	You don't print Stoolpigeon on one side, Toady on the other, then
	release a supplement which contains SZaterling and Turmot on a page
	and expect the buyer to fix it themselves.

3)	You use a DECENT 3 ring binder which won't open when your 4 year old
	nephew pulls the book off it's shelf and runs down the hall with it,
	spilling pages everywhere B^(.


2nd worst would have to be COMB BINDING.  Sure it lays flat.  See #3 above.

-Coyt
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From: cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: Good old White Dwarf & new GW (was: Re: T$R Newest "Product")
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:46:27 GMT

TUK865@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Stephen Gill) writes:

>By the way, what is 'guacamole'? I've been wondering for a while as it
>gets mentioned quite often.

Take 2 ripe avocados.  Gently mash in a bowl.
Add 1/2 chopped onion (red preferred)
Add 1 chopped ripe tomato
Add 1 chopped jalapeno
Add 1/4c chopped cilantro
Add juice of 1/2 lime
Mix together gently.  Salt and pepper to taste.  Serve with tostados.

-- 
Clay Luther
cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
From: "jeff zeitlin" <jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: guacamole
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:06:58 EST
Reply-To: "jeff zeitlin" <jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

SG::>By the way, what is 'guacamole'? I've been wondering for a while as it
  ::>gets mentioned quite often.

  Guacamole is a Tex-Mex chip dip made mostly from avocado, with a 
  bunch of other stuff thrown in.  It has a very interesting color - 
  almost exactly that horrid green of many hospitals - or the inside 
  of an avocado...

  It's a very bad thing to compare a RPG to, as it does not look 
  particularly appetizing, but is really quite delicious.

  A more apt comparison for bad RPGs would be with the UNIX(tm) editor 
  "vi"... but I'm not here to start religious wars over chili _or_ 
  editors...

  J/
  jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com

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From: wsbusr1@rwb.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Subject: NET.BOOK: Net Spellbook: fifth edition: Read me first!
Followup-To: rec.games.frp.misc
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:14:13 GMT


As I promised earlier this week, I am posting the ASCII version of the
Great Net Spellbook, fifth edition. The Prayerbook has already been
posted earlier this week. You can also ftp the Spellbook from:

Site:	greyhawk.stanford.edu
Path:	D_D/incoming
File:	mu_asc_5.zoo

Following this short note is a zoo-archive, uuencoded and split in 12
parts, containing the Spellbook. This archive contains the following
files, having an approximate length as indicated below:

File name	Subject		Length	Remark
~~~~~~~~~	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	~~~~~~	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
intro		Introduction	  9969
list		List of spells	 31509
index		Index		 17224
mkindex		Index-macro	   275
0		Cantrips	 19757	 31 cantrips (23 new)
1		Level 1		 71656	 84 spells (23 new)
2		Level 2		125067	129 spells (50 new)
3		Level 3		135418	124 spells (55 new)
4		Level 4		148125	124 spells (37 new)
5		Level 5		128138	118 spells (43 new)
6		Level 6		105939	 82 spells (24 new)
7		Level 7		 74708	 59 spells (19 new)
8		Level 8		 57233	 43 spells (18 new)
9		Level 9		 91843	 65 spells (22 new)
10		Level 10	  4619	  5 spells (all new)
epilogue	Epilogue	   865

These files contain an introduction to the Great Net Spellbook
(containing the copyright notices, the names of the people who posted
the spells, and some editor's notes), the names of the spells, an index
to the spells, a macro to print that index using troff, the spells
themselves (cantrips and levels 1 through 10), and an epilogue,
respectively.

The total number of spells is 864, of which 319 are new. Note that
"new" refers to the fourth edition of the Spellbook, dated April 14th
1992.

Please read the introduction before doing anything else.


Boudewijn Wayers (wsbusr1@urc.tue.nl),
Keeper of the Great Net Spellbook and the Great Net Prayerbook.

-- 
Boudewijn Wayers, wsbusr1@urc.tue.nl.
Keeper of the Great Net Spellbook and Prayerbook.

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