From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Shamir, at least, thought settlements were an obstacle...
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 00:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.062757.2223@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>In article <1992Jul14.230700.12177@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>Umm, it is the Arabic and Islamic states that refuse to recognize any 
>>official Jewish existence on the Holy-Moslem-Soil (tm) of the Middle East,
>>and not the other way around.  Furthermore, Judaism has absolutely no 

>Did you ever hear of the Camp David Accords, Jake.  Did you know that
>the CDA was signed by a Muslim/Arabic nation called Egypt?? 

Umm, have you ever heard of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan?  These neighbors of
Israel are also Muslim/Arabic countries but don't seem to have accepted these
same CD Accords.  The list of such Muslim/Arabic nations goes on and on far 
beyond Israel's borders: Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Yemen...

>Did you
>know that the CDA, in Sec. C "Associated Principles" called for
>"full recognition"??  

Besides Israel and Egypt, who else in the Middle East has accepted this?
Don't you think that it is now the turn of the other Arab states to make
a move, to show those "confidence-building measures" that they have been
calling for for so long, refusing to budge until Israel makes just one
more such move?

>Did you know that Al-Azhar, the eminent Islamic
>institution and one of the oldest, issued a fatwa (ruling) approving
>of these very same Accords in 1978???  

Aren't people sentenced to death in Iran for saying things like this?
Doesn't Iran claim to defend the true path of Islam?

>Did you know that King Fahad
>sent a delegation of Muslim scholars into Jm to meet Rabbis??  

Would he accept a delegation of Rabbis to meet Muslim scholars in 
MECCA?  (Actually, I never heard of such a delegation and can't 
see that Rabbis in Jerusalem would have any special interest in
meeting them.   What did they discuss?  When did this happen?)

Would King Fahd send a POLITICAL delegation to Jerusalem?
How about trading ambassadors, something which they were 
called to do after Desert Storm but decided that they could
get away with ignoring.

>Isn't
>this recognition???  What do you want....Arabs and Muslims to kiss
>your butts??? What else do we have to do *just* to get a mutual
>recognition of rights of Palestinians in return???

Ha!  Let's see JORDAN offer "rights of Palestineans"!  Let's see
Kuwait and Saudi Arabia offer these rights!  All they can do is 
scream about the monstrous Israelis while they treat their own
people much worse.  

>The previous Israeli government refused to *accept* any statements
>of recognition from Muslims/Arabs so he wouldn't have to reciprocate.

You make us laugh.  When did non-Egyptians recognize Israel?
When they sent Scuds in that direction?  When they threatened 
the US that if Israel were to join Desert Storm, that they might
abandon Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and join the Iraqi love-fest bombing
Israel?  Even EGYPT feared Israel's presence in Desert Storm!

>So he can justifty holding on to *their* land.  So he can resettle
>*their* land with Europeans, while creating the New Diaspora.

The Arab states have worked very diligently for decades to make
sure that there would be disenfranchised people who could then
be sent to make claims against Israel.  Quit blaming the awful 
behavior of Arabs towards other Arabs on Israel.


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Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
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