HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Request: Fantasmic vantage points
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:59:56 GMT

I was there last week (Sept 3rd) for the 10:30 show with my husband
and my 5 year old son.  We ended up in our seats about 30 minutes before
the show and had really great seats, about 4 back from the railing
around the river close to the Pirates on the Haunted Mansion side.  About
10 minutes after that it was packed in solid.  However, getting there
took us about 15 minutes from the entrance to Frontierland in a solid
mass of crowd.

It was a wonderful, wonderful show and we all enjoyed it.  The entire
crowd erupted into the loudest applause I've ever heard when it was over.

One hint I did hear was to *not* go to the first show (9:00?).  That is
the most crowded.  We had our 5 year old take a nap from 4-5:30 to prepare
for the late night and it worked perfectly.  We even took in a great Dumbo
ride right after the show (5 minute wait!).

Many thanks for all the hints on getting to and seeing Fantasmic!  They were
a great help!!!
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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Why I love Disney, Part 47
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:23:03 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep7.225907.3340@PA.dec.com>, snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
> In article <18g693INN5lt@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
>   witness@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes...
> >Disney is a very image-based company - I think we all know
> >this.  If they are willing to sue preschools over wall paintings - I think
> >that's self evident.
> While I agree with some of the other sentiments expressed about a few of 
>Disney's less-than-stellar business practices, I can't agree with the continual
>trotting out of this case as an example of egregiousness on their part.  Disney
> simply has to protect their copyrights and trademarks, and there's little else
> they can do but crack down on offenders.  To ignore small-time violators would
> be akin to a bank's ignoring a glitch in their software that allowed the
>unauthorized transfer of funds, merely because it so far had only been used to 
> steal small amounts of money.  


I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the University of Oregon
Duck is in fact Donald Duck. The story I heard is that way back when, Walt
gave Oregon permission to use Donald to model their mascott. Certainly
times have changed but for all of you "original intent"-type folks I thought
it might be interesting....


				gln




Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 17:30:45 -0400 
From: Paolo Vergara Malabuyo <pm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: News on internships?

Hi.  I'm an art student and it's about time I started thinking
professionally.  Does anyone have any information as to whom I should
talk to, what I should do, what is needed, what it entails, etc.?  Any
information would be appreciated.  Please send any responses to me
personally at:

pm3o+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU

Thanks.

Paolo V. Malabuyo
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Homophobia?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep7.163455.166@PA.dec.com> snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
>In article <37773@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, 
>  rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes...
>
>>Nowadays, it's no longer important how a person got AIDS.
>
>Alas, but that's not true.  The teary-eyed AIDS victims dragged out in front
>of Congress or trotted out at political conventions to make impassioned
>speeches advocating various actions to help battle the spread of AIDS are
>noticeably *not* people who contracted it through drug use or "illicit" sex,
>but "innocent" victims who were accidentally infected via medical treatment or
>blood transfusions or the like.  Like it or not, it *does* matter to a great
>many of the people who control the purse strings in our society.
>
> - snopes


Ack, didn't want to drag the government into a discussion of a pop
group and Disney!  Politicians need to get a grip--they're generally
blame-oriented.  "Teary-eyed AIDS victims" are the only apparent way
to get through to them.  But that's a bit off the subject.  Good
point, though; sad, but true.

If anyone has any details about this situation between Disney and
Erasure, please post them if you care to.  Arguing over a certain
case without the specifics is a potent cause for impulsive
statements (namely from me).  Let's not beat this to death.

- Robert Cook
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: New Disney Releases & films
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:19:15 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

The Latest issue of Disney News has finally arrived!  As most of you are aware
(by now, unless you've been in the twilight zone) the original "Rescuers" will
soon be available on Home Video, but one I haven't heard anyone mention is
also coming out.

SO DEAR TO MY HEART (1949 live action/animated feature film) will also be
available in video stores this September.  It has been said that this feature
was Walt's favorite.

Disney's Florida studio is currently working on the 3rd Roger Rabbit short
called "TRAIL MIX UP."  I wonder what happened to the featurette "Hare In My
Soup"??

-Rich
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Why I love Disney, Part 47
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:28:39 PDT

In article <18iqt4INNgdi@agate.berkeley.edu>, witness@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
> 
> But geez - did they
> have to send over their lawyers to the preschool with subpeona in hand?

I would be *very* surprised if they did that.  Do you have any proof?
Disney's standard practice is a "cease and desist" letter, followed by
plenty of other correspondance.  Unless the preschool flat out ignored
all that, Disney wouldn't bother to file for a subpeona and send a lawyer
over to deliver it.

> Obviously the preschool was not using Mickey to subvert money due Disney.
> So then why was it so inconceivable for Disney to GRANT permission
> to the preschool and allow Mickey to stay?  Authorized permission.
> And although Bugs Bunny does not have the same corporate value as
> a Mickey Mouse - he sure is no two-bit trademark to toss around at
> whim.  So then why was it also so inconceivable for Disney to have somebody
> paint one on the school themselves?

If you were Disney, would you want people thinking that you were involved
with some random preschool?  And what happens when that preschool turns
out to be the next McMartin case?

--
|  Greg Orman                         greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
|     A man's best friends:  a Harley, a Beretta and a Gund.     |
From: dzatz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Dave Zatz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Hurricane plans
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:36:09 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch) writes:

> Dateline Wed, 26/Aug92 06:53.
> In , Kitty in the Middle of tyger@netcom.com  wrote to All at 1:133/411,
> 
> >>1) Andrew did not make Category 5, it made only Category 4 
> (Max sustained winds
> >>   of less than 155 mph) before striking Florida.  It only 
> had gusts over 155
> 
>  KitM> Really? Local news has been saying gusts up to 180, which 
>  KitM> would put it over the hump. I suppose I shouldn't be 
> 
>      Truth be told, it slowed down to about 120 before hitting Miami.  And be

Hate to break it to you....but sustained winds were between 120-140mph 
and over homestead (90% buildings were destroyed) gusts up to 214 miles 
per hour...no lie...i live here and the are still broadcasting Hurricane 
Andrew Aftermath new coverage 24 hours a day here so I'm pretty up to 
date...

Oh and to reiterate it was a Category 4 storm.

And back to the newsgroup... Disney would have been taost if they got hit 
with winds up to 214 miles an hour...there are no structures built to 
withstand that kind of wind.  ALthough the odds of Disney getting hit 
with that are next to none.

oh and tommorrow I'm going to MGM (gotta love 4 season salute!)

laterz
Dave
From: witness@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Why I love Disney, Part 47
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:20:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


True -maybe it is a trivial case, and it's understood that there are larger
issues involved if something like the allowance of an illegal painting
of Mickey Mouse on a preschool wall sets a precedent.  But geez - did they
have to send over their lawyers to the preschool with subpeona in hand?
Obviously the preschool was not using Mickey to subvert money due Disney.
So then why was it so inconceivable for Disney to GRANT permission
to the preschool and allow Mickey to stay?  Authorized permission.
And although Bugs Bunny does not have the same corporate value as
a Mickey Mouse - he sure is no two-bit trademark to toss around at
whim.  So then why was it also so inconceivable for Disney to have somebody
paint one on the school themselves?

Certainly Warner Brothers was, in part, motivated in their generosity to
spite Disney - but I think Disney had choices in this matter to make
good, which they refused to take.

Ann 
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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Crowds at WDW
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:27:12 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

This is to reply to message posted Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:08:22 GMT,
.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) regarding crowds at WDW:
 
Try "The (current year) Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World" by Bob
Sehlinger, paperback, $11.00, Prentice Hall Travel Press, New York.
You can find it in the Travel or U. S./Domestic Travel section of any
bookstore, especially such mass market chains as B. Dalton Booksellers
and WaldenBooks.  Page 32 of the book has the information you're
looking for in bar graph form.  Quoting, numbers are for average guest
attendance per park, per day, averaged on a weekly basis:
 
     September-Thanksgiving:  20,000
     Thanksgiving:  55,000
     After Thanksgiving-Before Christmas:  15,000
     Christmas-New Year's:  70,000
     After New Year's-Mid-February:  35,000
     Mid-February-Washington's Birthday Week:  47,000
     After Washington's Birthday-End of March:  35,000
     First half of April (College Spring Break):  47,000
     Mid-April (Easter):  55,000
     After Easter-Memorial Day:  30,000 (college/high school grad
        parties)
     After Memorial Day-First of June:  40,000
     June-End of August:  55,000
 
The author says up to 92,000 have toured the Magic Kingdom on a single
day (could have been Christmas, New Year's, or 4th of July, doesn't
say *which* day)!  Also, my brother complained about crowds between
Memorial Day and May 31, but this period co-incided with the big air
fare wars going on at the time, people taking advantage of the low
plane fares to come on down!  We last went July '91 and didn't think
the crowds were that bad, but that was when the national recession was
going on, too.
 
The book also has touring tips to help avoid long lines, says you can
save up to 3 hours of standing in line to see attractions if you
follow their guidelines.  Book also offers advice for seeing the parks
with children of various ages.  Posters on this conference responding
to our questions about the validity of this book's advice swear by it
especially when the parks are crowded and as orientation to the
attractions during less crowded times, but they caution against
following it slavishly. It's also a very entertaining read.  A similar
book is published for seeing Disneyland by the same author.  Both
books are updated annually and the author encourages reader
correspondence to aid in refining future editions.
 
Perhaps a section could be added to the FAQ discussing and reviewing
the various guidebooks available as well as crowd attendance at
various times of year.  If people got Steve Birnbaum's "(current year)
Walt Disney World The Official Guide" and "The (current year)
Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World" by Bob Sehlinger a lot of their
questions would be answered for them.

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Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:37:28 -0400 
From: Wendy Elizabeth Tuggle <wt0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Peter Pan

Does anyone know where I can get a Disney's Peter Pan poster? I am
looking for one, and it does not necessarily have to be the movie
poster...
    Please respond to wt0i+@andrew.cmu.edu
thanks!
wendy tuggle


Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: I am Ariel
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.133834.2589@nic.csu.net>,
jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:
> I beg to differ, but *I* am Ariel.  Actually, I just think I'm a mermaid.
> With blonde hair that is 28 inches long that I have to braid so it will
> have ANY body, I can have the perfect mermaid hair.  The only real problem

Actually, I beg to differ.  My daughter really is Ariell.
Yup, that's her name and it was her name even before the Disney
movie, and she has long hair down to her butt.

I think she used to get embarrassed when people would say,
"Wow, is your name really Ariel?  Just like the mermaid?"
After awhile she'd answer, "Yeah, but I was here first."

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From: rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran)
Subject: Re: Donald in Mathematicsland
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.145303.14278@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> calvin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (scott.a.kaye) writes:
>	Does anyone know if Donald in Mathematicsland has been or will be
>released on VHS??  I remember watching it back in elementary school, and I
>really enjoyed it.

I have seen this tape on sale in some of the gift shops at WDW; you
might be able to get it at one of the local Disney Stores.

	Bob Halloran
	AT&T Universal Card
	Jacksonville FL

	rkh@ucs.att.com
Any similarity between opinions stated here and AT&T's 
  corporate opinion are purely coincidental.

"How can you tell a politician is lying?  His lips move..."
	-- M-m-max Headroom
"Read my lips - no new taxes" -- George H. W. Bush, 1988
From: c164-dy@po.berkeley.edu (David Loo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Wanted LDs
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:54:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

I know this is sort of a very wishful post, but I've been looking
to buy LD's of the older Disney films.  If any of you are willing
to part with yours or you know of any sources that are still selling,
could you e-mail me?

	Thanx in advance,

	Dave
	c164-dy@po.berkeley.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:59:11 EDT
From: Reid Woolery <WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Legacy In Song

Can anyone tell me when this collection is due to be released?

******************************************************************************
* Reid S. Woolery                          The Pennsylvania State University *
* (Appl/Sys/Analyst) UTS                   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                 *
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: ss1@bifur.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: Tales I'd Like to see Disney Animate
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:48:52 GMT

>THE LITTLE MERMAID - A Grimm story with a *happy* ending instead.
                        ^^^^^

Small error here.  "The Little Mermaid" was written by Hans Christen
Andersen -- not the Brothers Grimm.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: HELP Disneyland hurts childs feelings
From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:54:33 PDT
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield

In article <1992Sep14.213212.11453@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Ka
ren Guthrie) writes:
>We
>have actually had her measured three times in a single line.  This seems
>a bit excessive to me and it is hard on parents and children alike.  Now 
>it is fortunate that this problem will be gone in a few months but I was
>left wondering how great I would think Disneyland was if I was an out of
>town parent and this was our only chance.  I think that they should have
>one or more measuring stations where kids could get a bracelet (like the
>hospital kind) that must be destroyed to be removed if they are tall
>enough and that would be the end of the discussion.
>  I know this may seem like a small thing but you
			       ^^^^^ <giggle>  Sorry.  I love puns.
>should have seen that little crushed face.  After all it is more than just
>not getting to ride it is being classed as little.
>
>Disneyland should be a place where dreams come true... not where they are 
>dashed.
>
>Karen

From someone who's 5'2", I think you are making a big deal out of it.  Hope
she grows another foot and will enjoy next year's season pass :).  Perhaps
she was too young?  I never went on any of those rides when I was 4.5
years old.  And that's from lack of wanting to!  I would refer to her as a
little kid if I saw her, and that's not because of height!  But, I think
the bracelet idea's good.  I could use one myself.

Jennifer
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From: prw@Apple.COM (Paul Wenker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Give it a rest (Was re: Hurricane Plans)
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:17:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


Well, we were at WDW (the Yacht Club, to be precise) the week of the hurricane.
In the days leading up to the hurricane, there was a note slipped under our
door every morning updating us on the progress of the storm.  Since the
storm obviously didn't strike central Florida, we never found out what
WDW's emergency plans were.

-Paul Wenker
-Apple Computer, Inc.
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana Convention
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:35:15 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

My wife and I are going to the Disneyana convention next week.  Anyone else
here going?  Leave a message and perhaps we can meet up -- like at the Ice
Cream Social with the Mouseketeers! :-)

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From: cscon134@uoft02.utoledo.edu (John Heiden UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Movie Poster Value
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:52:33 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <92252.093649WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu>, Reid Woolery <WTQ@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I have a theater poster from "The Jungle Book" that is 27" X 41" in diameter.
> The largest frames I can find 27" X 40". My question is this:
> 
>    If I was to trim a half an inch from the top and bottom of the poster
>    (this is white border area) would it devalue the poster? Would I be
>    better off having a frame made to fit?
> 
> I realize that having a frame cut to fit will cost triple the price of a ready-
> made but I don't want to do something that will deface the poster. Any experts
> out there?
> 
> ******************************************************************************
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> * (Appl/Sys/Analyst) UTS                   WTQ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                 *
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> 
-- 
Let me see now, you have a nice poster for THE JUNGLE BOOK, and you want to
cut a total of one inch from it somewhere.  Before you cut the poster, say
to yourself, would YOU purchase a poster from somebody that had cut an inch
off of it?  Then decide if you should cut it off anyway.  Second, here's
some empirical data for you.  If you cut it, the poster is now DAMAGED.
A damaged poster MIGHT be worth as much as 1/5th of the original value,
assuming you can find somebody who wants the poster only because it
"looks neat on my wall next to the Picasso".  Ok, so I exaggerated, but
you get the idea.

Oh, and for the record, I have MANY one sheet posters in my possession.
Some rather hard to get.  (Probably 300 or 400 of them.)  Not to mention
a number of harder to get sizes as well.

John Heiden
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                                       Dept. of Computer Services

CSCON134@Uoft02.UTOLEDO.EDU            The University of Toledo
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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Homophobia?
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:36:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep6.184009.1@pomona.claremont.edu> greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger) writes:
>
>Why?  As far as Disney is concerned, doing that program in Sweden would
>have been promoting homosexuality.  Saying that they didn't want to
>promote homosexuality is a far cry from saying that Mr. Bell shouldn't
>be allowed to make music or should be strung up from the nearest tree.
>Disney didn't "bash" Mr. Bell or homosexuals as a group.  They simply
>made a programming decision based upon their corporate values.  It sounds
>to me like the Swedes are overreacting.  "Acting like Hitler," indeed.
>
>--
>|  Greg Orman                         greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
>|     A man's best friends:  a Harley, a Beretta and a Gund.     |


This brings up something I definitely don't know about: the actual
content of the show.  Erasure does have a history of being very openly
homosexual (whatever that means).  But is putting on a show featuring
gay musicians really promoting homosexuality?  Not unless Bell was
screeching about it.  The group has mostly put aside their practice
of dressing according to stereotypical standards in recent years.  I
guess that isn't enough for Disney.  It's a matter of who's weighing
the facts.  Howard Ashman did not promote homosexuality in his
songs (as far as I can tell), so that's okay with Disney.  I wonder
what Erasure did....  It wouldn't be right to discuss the matter
any further without knowing this, IMHO.

- Robert Cook