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From: achut@nairobi.Eng.Sun.COM (Achut Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TdF: Zulle and Cippolini? - and Indurain.
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:06:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nairobi

In <1618@spam.ua.oz> jday@spam.ua.oz (Jemery Day) writes:
>What was Indurain's cycling career like prior to 1991. Can anybody who knows
>post a summary of his achievements prior to his first Tour win? 

I believe Indu did his 1st Tour in 84.
He quit after 2 stages (he was only 20 at the time).
He quit the next Tour after 12 stages.
Over the few years he showed promise, but I think he was
somewhat suppressed by having to serve as domestique
for Banesto's superstar Delgado (but gained valuable
experience from it).

However some flashes of brilliance showed through.
I remember one of the tough mountain stages in the 89 Tour
where Indu had pacing duty for Delgado (much like
Bernard is doing for Indu now).  Indu was pulling
Delgado and Lemond was on Delgado's wheel.  But
Indu was doing such a fierce pace that Delgado finally
had to yell out for him to slow down!  (And Lemond
breathed a sigh of relief because he was about to
get dropped).

Still, somehow he was never considered a serious Tour
contender until halfway through the 91 Tour when
Lemond faltered, and Indu was ahead of Delgado
in the GC.

-achut
From: jlance@dbaix.oc.com (Lance Jablonski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Helmet wars
Summary: It could have been worse
Keywords: Fractures right radial head
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:21:40 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX


 Howdy Do,

    I haven't been reading the lastest threads concerning the helmet 
wars, but I thought I would throw in my two cents worth anyway.  Today
I'm leaving for Colorado on what was supposed to be a mountain biking
vacation, however due to a freak endo on my bike about four weeks ago,
it'll be a hiking/fishing trip to Colorado.  The freak endo resulted in a brokenelbow, which has kept me in a cast, and off of my bike for what will amount
to seven weeks.  I like to think I'm a pretty good rider, and I always wear a 
helmet, begrudgingly.  I realize one can't really enjoy life without taking somephysical risks (a.k.a mtb'ing in my case)and one has to face the consequences
of these risks.  In my case, I suffered a broken elbow and it has been an
awful hindrance, and extremely annoying.  However, I hate to think of what
might have been the consequences if it had been my head rather than my elbow
that received the terrific blow my elbow did.  Fortunately, my employers
provide excellent insurance, so the whole mess has omly cost me about $90
all together.  Unfortunately, not everyone is so lucky, and I'll be the
first one to tell you I don't like my premiums to go up everytime some
numb-nut cracks his head open and we, the public, have to foot the bill. 
It's an expensive price to pay in the name of vanity.  Food for thought.

                                            Lance
jlance@dbaix.oc.com
OpenConnect Systems
Dallas, Texcess

 "Leave death to the professionals" -Graham Greene
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Help! Knee Pain
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:31:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul28.153118.16936
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>In article <25639@sophia.inria.fr>
>chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR) writes:
> 
>>
>>I started biking recently (about 4 weeks ago), and
>>Can someone tell me what I must be doing wrong?
>>
>The main cause of knee pain and damage in new riders is pedaling
>in too high a gear. New riders are often surprised to find that

The other major problem is caused by incorrect fit on the
bike.  You need to find a Pro-shop with equipment like the
fit-kit to position you on the bike.  This should take
about 1/2 hr to 1 hr and they should charge you money.
They should set the seat height, fore-and-aft position
of the seat, seat tilt, cleat position, handle bar
height and reach (stem length).  A shop with some equipment
like the Fit Kit is likely to do a good job.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
From: theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu (George A. Theall)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: bridge map
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:01:12 GMT
Organization: Social Science Computing, University of Pennsylvania

>>Road           Bikes?  PA Town         NJ Town         Bridge Name
>>US 30          ok      Philadelphia    Camden          Ben Franklin
>>PA 73, NJ 73   ok      Philadelphia    Palmyra         Tacony-Palmyra

>Now the only thing I don't know is whether these bridges require me to _walk_

  You can ride across the Ben Franklin on an elevated sidewalk. [The walk 
is closed during the dark, btw.] On the Camdem side tho you have to climb 
a set of stairs.

  There's a sidewalk on the Tacony/Palmyra. A sign says you should walk your 
bike, but the few times I've crossed here I've been able to ride it.


George
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theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu                    Social Science Computing
theall@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu                       University of Pennsylvania
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.160229.3955@col.hp.com>, arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)      writes...
> 
>    Finally, for every serious cyclist who obeys all the traffic laws there
>are fifty who are riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road, 
>ignoring red lights and stops signs and generally making nuisances of 
>themselves ( and infuriating drivers as a consequence ). 
> 

I think that this is dependant on what area that you live in. My guess is 
that in areas where there are more cyclists, cyclists become more 
knowledgeable and more aware of safe ways to ride. People in cars also are 
more used to seeing cyclists, will expect them, and may even learn to not 
hate them. San Diego has a large bicycle population and things aren't as 
bad here as they are in some accounts that I hear on the net. Still, the 
dangerous ones are out there in larger than comfortable numbers.

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu  	

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sjang@cs.ubc.ca (Stanley Jang)
Subject: Phone # for Scott USA
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:46:39 GMT

Hi, could someone email me the phone and/or fax number for Scott USA.

Thanks, Stan Jang <sjang@cs.ubc.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:14:17 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Sandi Alexander Kwee <sk1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Unlike the case with CrMo, steel, or titanium, the stress and strain
> placed on aluminum is additive -- meaning that every bunnyhop, bump, or
> fall continually weakens your Al frame until eventually it breaks.
> THis is different from the case of CrMo, steel, or Ti where if the
> stress is below a certain level, no structural damage is done. Does
> anyone know what Aluminum frame life expectancy bike designers shoot
> for when they design a frame? I'm sure some manufactures overbuild
> their frames more than others... Anyone have any anecdotes on the
> lifespan of their Aluminum bikes?




I can't let this one go by. I don't know who told you this old wives tale
but there is no truth to it. All metals can be subject to fatigue failure.
Aluminum, within its usable range, is no more or less susceptible to failing
due to accumulated, low level stresses than is Cr-Mo or Titanium. The key
here is "within its usable range" since you can obviously induce fatigue
failure by using it outside of the safe margins. A good example is aircraft
frames and skins. Twenty-five years, or longer, is a good useful life for
an airframe. 

You can make a Cr-Mo frame very brittle by poor welding or brazing practices.
Overheating a weld join will cause the alloying elements that are 
homogeneously distributed in the metal to diffuse to the weld join and cause
it to become more brittle. 

No pure metal is used for bike frames. All materials use alloying elements 
which give the base metal the desired properties to be an engineering 
material. If you choose the correct alloy for your application, then it
should work just peachy keen.

The only material that I could point to and say that it probably is
susceptible to fatigue failure is carbon fiber/epoxy matrix frames. In this
case, the very stiff ( and brittle ) carbon fibers will gradually separate
from the epoxy material that encloses it. This provides excellent ride
characteristics since the energy ( shock waves ) traveling through the
frame as you ride it are very effectively damped out as they are absorbed
by the delamination process that I just described. The longevity of such
a frame will only start to be known in the next few years as more bikes,
such as the Kestrals and Treks come into general use.

To paraphrase Jobst, "Ride Bike. Ride aluminum bike."

                                           Arnie, the metallurgist

                                       

-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:26:56 GMT

From: Article by Howard Libit, "Peninsula Times Tribune" 23 June 92.

A Redwood City man was allegedly turned off his headlights moments
before hitting and severely injuring a professional bicyclist three
weeks ago, a California Highway Patrol officer testified Wednesday.

While driving in the rain and fog on Skyline Boulevard on June29,
Duane William Wray , 19, allegedly bragged to his friends that
"reflectors (on the road) are no good without headlights" and turned
them off, said officer Richard Giovando.  Moments later, Wray
drifted across the double yellow line and hit the Woodside resident
Mark Anolik, 26, head-on, Giovando said.  Giovando testified at
Wray's preliminary hearing Wednesday in San Mateo County Municipal
Court.

At the end of the 45-minute hearing, Municipal Court Judge Mark R.
Forcum ordered Wray to stand trial against felony hit-and-run
charges in San Mateo County Superior Court.  Forcum also refused to
lower Wray's $1 million bail, saying the defendant "acted with not
just callousness but extreme callousness."

After hitting Anolik sometime around 9 p.m. Wray allegedly
continued driving down Skyline, picked up a friend and then drove by
the accident scene again, where he spotted the victim lying on the
side of the road but didn't stop or call police, Giovando said.

On the way back, Wray had car trouble and pulled over to the side of
the road, allegedly removing a piece of clothing with flesh from the
front of the car.  Wray allegedly said, "There is Spandex and meat
on my car." Giovando testified.

Giovando had interviewed two of the three juvenile passengers in
Wray's 1980 Pontiac Trans-Am.  He said his testimony was based on
both his own investigation and what the passengers had told him.
After returning home, Wray allegedly told the other youths in the
car not to tell anyone, saying, "Forget it, they'll never know."
Giovando said.

Giovando testified that Wray had admitted hitting the bicyclist but
has denied turning off the headlights.  Wray claimed the car had
electrical problems, so the headlights went off intermittently,
Giovando said.  Anolik, who has raced professionally in Europe the
past five years, remains in Stanford University Hospital, said
Deputy District Attorney Albert Serrato.  Serrato said Anolik has
suffered "severely broken" legs and neurological problems.  If
convicted, Wray could face up to four years in prison, Serrato said.

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jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 10:47:01 EDT
From: Cheryl Lynn Lavertu <LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bar ends for MTB

I own a Jamis Quest hybrid, and just bought some bar ends to
add some variable hand positions, since I sometimes ride
60 plus miles at a time.  I've seen bar ends installed on
the MTBs ridden by our university police, and theirs are
installed at a 90 degree angle to the ground (straight up).
   The instructions that came with my bar ends suggest that
a position 20 degrees from parallel to the bars is the best.
Does anybody else have bar ends on their MTB-type handlebars
and if so, what position have you found most comfortable?
   I realize that sooner or later I will find this out by
trial and error, but am hoping for some expert advice to
speed things up.  Please don't suggest forgetting about
bar ends and replacing the bars with drops.  Not interested!
Thanks for any help.
 -------------------------------------------------------------
    Cheryl LaVertu, Manager of Funded Accounts
      Maine Agricultural Experiment Station            __~O
      103 Winslow Hall, University of Maine           -\ <,
     Orono, ME  04469      Tel. 207/581-3225        (*)/ (*)
"WORK TO EAT, EAT TO LIVE, LIVE TO BIKE, BIKE TO WORK"
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18835 can.general:3547 ont.general:1253 soc.culture.canada:5330 ott.general:558
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:18:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Stephen, if you had read the message carefully you would have seen that
the message you were answering originated in San Francisco bay area.

The speed limit you wre questioning is _15_ mph not anything as
arbitrary as kph. :-)

In the five or so bay area counties the imposition of speed limits
on bicycle paths is almost universal.
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:29:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Brwu8y.3Du@acsu.buffalo.edu>

>>An article in the Arizona Republic recently tells of Michael Secrest's hope
> to
>>ride from Los Angeles to Jacksonville, FL in 48 hours.  Apparently he
>>rode 1216 miles in 24 hours in April 1990.  This was at Phoenix 
   ???^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???
> International 

>Wait a sec!  According to my trusty calculator, the guy averaged 50.7 mph
>non-stop for 24 hours!!!  Must have been Superman's brother.  I have a hard
>time *driving* that far in 24 hours.  Something is not right here.

I bet I could too, (for a few seconds, anyway) if I was mashing a huge
chainring and drafting an 18 wheeler......  Seems like he could all but sit
back and watch the scenery go by without pedalling....!

   -swb-
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: exumart@exu.ericsson.se (Martina Hughes,xt-df,0634)
Subject: Cannondale R800
Reply-To: exumart@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:34:00 GMT

I have recently purchased a CANNONDALE R800 and I have one concern. The gears on my previous bike seem to compare to my CANNONDALE as follows:

             H                    L
             |--------------------|    previous bike

      H                   L
      |-------------------|             CANNONDALE

Hence, I have lost a few low gears and gained some more high gears.  I have ridden the   CANNONDALE for a week now and I find myself riding in the low gears more often as I find the high gears somewhat tough. While I realise I may not be in the best shape right now my concern is that the more I ride in the future will I ever build up the strength for riding those high gears OR is this just out of my league? Should I consider replacing the range of gears with ones more in my range OR should I just continue 




riding and maybe I will soon build up to this. Im a litle discouraged
right now!

Martina H.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: 22407LIZ@MSU
Subject: Behemoth
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 24 Jul 1992 23:02:41 EDT

Hi, does anyone have an email address for Steven K. Roberts?  He's the guy who
has the hi-tech bike (called Behemoth) complete with computer, modem, etc.
I'd like to get in touch with him.  If anyone knows how, please email me
privately as I am not subscribed to this list.  Thanks in advance.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:32:50 GMT

Colin DeWolfe writes:

> Actually L'Alpe D'Huez is pronounced lalp-uh-do-EZ.  At least this is
> how the people in the town itself call it. (also in Bourg d'Oisans, Huez
> itself and Grenoble)

Of course you must mean Alpe d'Huez and yes, you must check with the locals
because with names pronunciation does not follow rules.  In that region there
is a river and a mountain pass called Vars in which none of the letters is
silent and it is pronounced as it would be in English.  There are many other
names that don't follow rules for one reason or another.  Italy is full of
them and often they are not written with the accent so the proper inflection
is not obvious.  I think the most conspicuous of these is Cu'neo and South
Tyrol known as Alto A'dige in which the accent is seldom if ever shown.

So remember to say Grig Lemmon when talking of our TdF winner in Europe or
they may not know of whom you speak.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:07:21 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

Alright, you bad cycle jocks with the thighs like telephone poles and
the back sprockets like a stack of coins are all gonna laugh at this
one... but for polite overtaking there's nothing like a bell, IMHO.

A bell isn't "too common" at all, at least where my wife and I ride --
hardly anyone seems to have one anymore. Its disadvantage (besides
changing one's image from Kestrel to penny-farthing, another issue
entirely) is that it won't necessarily get the attention of Captain
Oblivion, the all-too-familiar pedestrian whose Walkman is turned up
so loud that his brains are liquefying and dripping out his nose.  But
then again, what will, short of a cattle prod?  

(I'm getting too old and don't drink enough anymore to properly relish 
the thought of riding along the bike path and goosing inattentive
pedestrians with a cattle prod.  Besides which, as I'm sure you 
Canadians already suspect, many pedestrians down here might be armed. :)

It even works for her -- admittedly, she isn't out to set any speed 
records -- on a local beachfront path that is thronged by bicyclists, 
walkers, joggers, bladers, stroller-pushing mamas, and little kids 
dashing around at random.  To say nothing of cross traffic that might be
burdened with anything from a bottle of suntan oil and a stupefyingly
minimal bikini to a pile of windsurfing equipment.  Thus far the bell 
has made nearly everyone look no one has either taken offense or done 
anything really dumb in response.

--Joe "Just another Berkeley ding-a-ling" Chew
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow)
Subject: Re: Bad Accident
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:52:29 GMT


	Since I posted a description of the accident I saw last 
Saturday, many people have written me saying that I should 
try to take some legal action against the police officers who
declined to ticket the elderly lady who caused the accident.  
First, I doubt that any grounds are present for a complaint -- 
the Police generally have great latitude in deciding NOT to 
ticket somebody.  Second, it won't help the cause of cyclists 
in general to try to get Reed and Malloy in trouble because 
they weren't up on the legal status of cyclists.  MOST people,
police included, have no idea that cyclists have equal rights
and responsibilities.  Many that do don't see why cyclists 
SHOULD have equal rights and try to put us off onto bike lanes 
and the like.

	Education, Eduaction, Eduaction, Advocacy.

	Not confrontation, IMHO.

	jon.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
From: marc_b@Ingres.COM (Marc Burckin)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Reply-To: marc_b@Ingres.COM (Marc Burckin)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:31:18 GMT

As an extra aside to this discusiion I have been having pain in my left wrist.
A bit of background. I used to commute about 3 days a week, but in the last 6 
weeks or so I have been commuting almost every day. My commute is 19 miles 
round trip. I had occasionally noticed my left wrist "feeling a bit" weird
while playing tennis, but didn't think too much of it at the time. 

Then a couple weekends ago I went on an 80 mile ride. I didn't notice
any discomfort on the ride, but two days later I noticed that my left wrist
was really beginning to hurt. The pain seemed to be focused on the outside
of the wrist near where a bone portrudes a bit. During the week it got 
worse and I decided I should probably rest it for a few days. I layed off it 
for the next four days(except for 2 short 2 mile rides). 

It felt better so I was again off cycling. Now it's hurting again. Has anyone
experienced anything similar? I ride a road bike with standard drop
handlebars. I try to vary hand positions, but since most of my commute is in
city streets I tend to use the tuck position more often because I can
hit the brakes quicker. As I said it only bothers my left wrist(at the moment!).

Any advice is appreciated. I'm going away on holiday for about 10 days where
I will probably not be cycling so perhaps the rest will be help?

		
				Thanks

				Marc
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From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: cable housing stops snapped off....
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:07:24 GMT
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

I have an old schwinn which has metal stops for the cable housing soldered
onto the lower frame tube.  The metal stop is configured as follows:

	_________
	|  ____  |
	| /    \ |
	| |    | |	<- head on view, there are two of these connected but separated
	| |    | |	   by about 3/4 of an inch.  The cable housing fits through the
	| \____/ |	   the hold.
	----------

Two of these are connected together by a piece of metal and are separated by about
3/4 of an inch.  They are soldered (?) onto one of the tubes.  The problem is that
one of these tabs has snapped off and will cost me about $75 to have soldered back
on...any suggestions on how I can fix this?  I was told that schwinn used to make
replacements for this but have since stopped.

Thanks,

Lew Berman
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