HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: the invasion of the NLP droids (was Re: Xanax)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:48:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.194825.13829
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <kysn4w=.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>InhislatestattackmessageStevenDyeroncemoreshowshisinability
>todistinguishbetweencuriosity,inquiry,andreporting,andadvocacy.
>Heis,however,wellskilledinthoughtpolicing,fascism,andLuddite
>attacksonanythingremotelyresemblingsomethinghedoesn'tagreewith.
>AlthoughI'marelativenewcomertothisgroup,it'sabundantlyclear
>thatDyerbelongstothe"mymindismadeup,don'tconfusemewith
>facts"schoolofthought,andthathisideaoflogicisname-calling.

These people all sound the same, too: NLP, Lyme, amalgam--what am I
leaving out?  Maybe I should have written "pods", not "droids".

>I thought I'd use his techniques in this one reply message--perhaps he
>has discovered a new method  scientific inquiry, and I'm always
>willing to learn. Perhaps it was an oversight in my Ph.D. program that
>they didn't teach me this novel method of seeking truth.

A Ph.D.  Really?  Fascinating!  In Science?  And where?

By the way, David, are you interested in attending my seminar?
Let me know and I'll give you a break on the fee.  And I'm also
working towards a senior regional distributorship--want to buy
a few cases?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: [Prescription Privileges]
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:08:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <16447@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <88516@netnews.upenn.edu> zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla) writes:
>>
>>	1)  Should an appropriately trained psychologist be granted
>>limited prescription privileges of psychoactive medications?
>>
>>If so,
>>
>>	2)  What would be the nature (breadth and depth) of that training?
>
>Enough medical and pharmacologic training to understand the side effects
>of the drugs and deal with the possible interactions with other
>drugs the patient might be taking for other conditions.  I would
>guess 3 or 4 years of medical school and a year or two of residency
>would be needed.  Psychiatrists often do quite poorly with some
>aspects of this, despite their training....

Suppose the training was specialized to a particular class of drugs (or
drugs appropriate for specific DSM-III-R disorders and possible side
effects).  I agree with the residency requirement, but it seems that
one to two years of directed schooling could fulfill that role.  It seems
unreasonable to ask a psychologists to go through a complete MD/PhD curriculum
enduring rotations which are quite tangential to their real interests
(e.g., dermatology, ob/gyn).  Clearly, the relatedness of these body systems
and medications which act on them to psychotropic drugs and the brain are
necessarily understood, however.

I don't think the one year training program Jerry Holcombe referred to at
Berkeley is a good idea (or was if it's historical now).


[--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------]
| Eric Zorrilla - Dept. of Psychology  | zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu     |
| University of Pennsylvania           | 3815 Walnut, Philadelphia, PA 19104  |
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:32:11 GMT
Summary: what kind of carbs ?

In article <1992Sep10.120146.18318@omen.UUCP>, caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> Some time ago there was a discussion about the prevalence of obesity
> among the populations of the US and Europe.
> 
> A paper appearing in the latest issue of the International Journal of
> Obesity confirms the observations reported on the net.  Hyperobesity
> was markedly greater in the US than either France or the UK.
> 
> "There was a strikingly high percentage of very obese women (>50%
> overweight) in the USA (8% or the population) as compared to the
> two European countries (2% in France and 3% in the UK)."
> 
> The study did not find any link between egg or meat consumption and obesity.
> 
> As mentioned previously, fat consumption is higher in France
> than in the US, slightly lower in the UK.
> 
> Carbohydrate consumption is much higher in the US.
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 

Yeah, but what kind of carbs are we eating in the USA ?


I believe (without data) that the reason our carb consumption is much
higher than them Furriners is that we are eating Ding Dongs and Ho-Hos
while they are eating sweet potatoes and brocolli and maybe a croissant
here or there.  The fantastic consumption of calorie laden carbs in
this country is my guess as to why we have more hyper-obese in the
USA than some other places.

My limited experience with Europeans and Asians is that they are much
more moderate in their consumption of treats.  The hyper-obese in my
family and among my friends and acquaintances (n = 4) are disordered,
in my opinion, relative to sugar - sugarholic.  Cause ? Effect ? Addict-
ion ?

I don't know.


Bobby - akgua!rjb
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: CFIDS and Lyme
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.014922.23627
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep10.042941.25913@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>>Who made this diagnosis other than you?  I'm not at all sure there is such
>>an entity.  Mental illness is pretty resistant to treatment by ceftriaxone.
>I'm seropositive on the Stony Brook ELISA and continue to have positive
>urine antigen (direct) tests from time to time.  My symptoms get gradually
>dramatically worse when I go off antibiotic therapy, over a period of
>several weeks.  Treatment means the difference between working and
>near-total disability.

OK, so who made this diagnosis other than you?  Who prescribes these
antibiotics for you?

>The attitude exemplified in your post above is exactly the kind of
>thing I've been posting about.  Sarcasm in the face of suffering
>is one hell of an attitude for someone in a helping profession, Steve.

I'm not in a helping profession, but regardless, taking someone at face
value isn't necessarily the most caring thing to do.  And when you present
with this additional totally ignorant nonsense on the prevalence of
"abuse" and the uselessness of drug therapy for mental illness, I'm not
inclined to give you much slack or respect.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: baboon heart recipient
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:00:49 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep11.184630.27650@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>I read that the 35 year old man who received the baboon heart has died
>after 10 weeks.  I hope at least some of that time passed comfortably.
>The WSJ also reported in a sentence or two that he had AIDS, and that
>there was some controversy over this.  Otherwise I've seen very little
>coverage of this, typical, I guess.  I think this was pretty remarkable
>work, on both the medical team and patient's parts.  Is there anyone
>involved, or otherwise knowlegeable who can comment of the successes,
>failures, decisions, surprises, etc. involved in this case?  Thanks.

Howard Doyle knows the case well, but probably has not commented,
neither would it be appropriate to do so, especially while the
man survived.  I think you would not want your own personal life
to be on the front pages of the newspapers either, if you were
this patient.  It was released after his death that he was HIV+ (not AIDS).
The controversy may have arisen because some people may have
thought that such a patient, having a fatal virus, was being
used like an experimental animal, rather than being given a human
liver.  He also had hepatitis B, which of course diminishes the
chances of a successful transplant from a human, but does
not preclude it.  No one had previously survived a xenograft, however.
I think the fact that the fellow survived so long without rejecting
the xenograft will make it easier to do the next xenograft,
ethically speaking.  More people will concede that it isn't
"just an experiment" now.  Of course that isn't going to satisfy
the animal rights people, who picketed the hospital the day after
he died.  Even if there was a 100% success rate, they would not
agree to trade a baboon life for a human one.  [I wonder if there
is any species that they would be willing to make the trade on?
If so, I have a tongue-in-cheek proposal for them.]


-- 
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Strange neck injury after exercise--
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:49:08 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep7.022613.5793@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
>
>I went out and ran the race. With about 1 mile to go I felt something sort of
>click in my neck. I finsished the race but afterwards the pain got worse.
>
>If I move my head around I hear clicking crunching sounds (eeggghh), but at
>least aspirin works very effectively in stopping the moderate discomfort.
>
>I never really believed in chirpractors but I'd swear something in my neck
>was out of place and needs to be put back where it belongs.
>

Could be a cervical disk.  I'd be very afraid to let a chiropractor
manipulate one.  Much too close to the cervical cord.  If they
moved it too far you could become quadraplegic.  See a neurologist
right away would be my advice.  These things can usually be
handled well, but it isn't something to mess around with.  If
the pain goes into your arm it is even more of a sign of a disk
rupture.



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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.140649.17191
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep10.201913.0645162@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>Psychiatrists cannot treat with amino acids without risking their
>reputations.  That's a Much bigger obstacle than unpatentability.

And THAT is an absurd assertion.

>When l-DOPA was seized upon (in the 60's wasn't it?) as a very important
>traeatment for Parkinsonism, amino acids weren't associated with "that
>vitamin advocacy crowd".  And the stuff was made a prescription drug.  

Of course it's a prescription drug.  l-DOPA isn't an amino acid which occurs
in foods--it can't be considered a "nutritional supplement".  Plus, it has
a lot of side effects.

>What's making you so net.crabby of late?  First the guy whose
>hypnotherapist, working adjunctively with his neurologist, obtained
>substantial migraine relief gets raked over the coals as tho he were
>selling NLP like an Amway product, and now this.

First, shirley you're not talking about David whats-his-name.
Tell me he's not a bozo, Bob.

>I'd think you'd be
>curious about the literature citations on l-p being "at least as
>effective as the commonly prescribed drugs".  I certainly am.

I've read some of it before.

>Your rancor is overwhelming your icy wit, clear writing and technical
>accuracy that all your sci.med fans, myself included, look forward to!

Must be all that tyrosine I'm taking.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
Newsgroups: sci.med

I'm currently experiencing the following problem : When going to bed at about
11 p.m. I fall asleep relatively easily (no problem so far), but then I wake up
in the middle of the night (e.g. 3 a.m.) and can't go back to sleep again.
In the past I had this problem about once a month which didn't bother me too 
much since I ususally slept well the next night. No I had this problem for about
four nights in a row and I feel terrible.
I once read that you can run into this kind of problem if you use alcohol as a
tranquilizer, i.e. if you drink lots of alcohol before going to bed. But I'm
definitely not doing that ...
I've also made sure that I get enough physical exercise during the day, doesn't
seem to make a difference.

The only reason I see at the moment is due to the fact that I'm having some
personal problems at the moment which can't be resolved immediately.

Does anybody know of any other reasons (e.g. medical conditions) which could
cause this problem ?

What can I do to have an uninterrupted sleep or go back to sleep if I wake up
during the night ?

Susanne Denninger
Hewlett-Packard GmbH, Germany
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Therapy and Psychiatry  (was: Anti-psychiatry)
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:08:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <16367@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:

>I'll let others answer for the role of
>psychotherapy, but in my view, it is much less useful in
>the cases of serious mental illness than are drugs.

Whoa, Gordon!  Let's not lump all psychotherapeutic approaches and serious
mental illnesses under one banner!  

Schizophrenia and bipolar certainly appear
to respond better to pharmacotherapy than any existing psychotherapy (for
increasingly obvious reasons now).  However, unipolar depression (as you
mentioned) and panic disorder have both been shown to respond well to
cognitive therapy with excellent relapse rates.  Some studies, in fact, have
shown that cognitive therapy is SUPERIOR to MAINTAINED drug regimens in
preventing relapse/recurrence of depressed episodes.  Outcome studies w/panic
are newer, but, at the very least, show equivalent response rates w/recidivism
data not in yet.

Panic and depression certainly qualify as serious mental illness both in
symptom severity and epidemiologically.  While you may be skeptical of
psychoanalysis' claims, don't let that overgeneralize into sweeping claims
about the ineffectiveness of "talking cures" as a whole when emerging data
clearly indicate that at least some forms are as effective or more so than
drug therapies.  When the side effects of maintained drug regimens are
considered, equivalence is not an insignificant point.



[--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------]
| Eric Zorrilla - Dept. of Psychology  | zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu     |
| University of Pennsylvania           | 3815 Walnut, Philadelphia, PA 19104  |
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Subject: Prostatitis
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:08:12 GMT


Does anybody know if there are any diseases quite similar to Prostatis as
far as symptoms go, but will not respond to medicine intended for it?

I have been diagnosed three times now with this condition, and all three
medicines did zip.  I will be seeing a urologist soon, but I was just wondering
if anybody had any thoughts on the matter...

Toodlepip!
Marc 'em.
-- 
  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill University         C program run.  Run  
  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA          Program run! PLEASE!
      "When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not." - Yoda
				"Ow!" -J.F.K.~
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: passive smoking...how long does smoke stay...effect on pregnancy?
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep15.214439.24575@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapsj@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Simon Juden) writes...
>In article <168637D93.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
>>In article <BuKK91.8JF@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>> 
>>>I'm concerned about passive smoking.  Does anyone know how long
>>>the smoke stays in the house?  Also, what effect does it have on
>>>pregnancy?
>>>
>>>I have severe sinus and allergy problems - 2 sinus surgeries in
>>>the past 2 years.  Now my husband is starting to smoke in the
>>>house again.  Plus I'm pregnant, so this doesn't help the nausea,
>>>and I'm concerned it might cause other problems.
> 
>....I am in no way a medical expert, but my understanding is that a passive
>smoker will get roughly a third of the smoke a nearby smoker gets ie if your
>husband smokes 3 cigarettes the effect on you is equivalent to your having
>smoked one cigarette yourself. The dangers to your unborn child should surely
>deter your husband from smoking in the house while you are pregnant - and even
>if not pregnant the dangers to you from his smoking should also stop him from
>doing so. Of course it's easy and wrong to judge others by distance in this
>sort of situation but it sounds to me like your husband is not being entirely
>reasonable. It's not as if he couldn't step outside to smoke. I write,
>incidentally, as someone who is stupid enough to smoke.
> 
>I hope things get better for you soon.

He has it under control again and has gone back to smoking in the 
garage.  I hate to be a pain, but I just can't stand to be around 
smoke and it lingers forever and makes me congested, besides all 
the health risks.

>Simon

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Access to substances
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 04:50:39 GMT

aRobin.Salmansohn@f20.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn) writes:

| That is why it requires an overwhelming, and long - 
| term body of knowledge that will find all possible problems as
| well as potential uses for any subtance.

That's ridiculous.

Even the FDA doesn't make such sweeping statements.

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

"You can put lipstick on a hog, and call it 'Monique', but it's still a pig."

-- Ann Richards, the wildly popular, Harley Riding Governor of Texas
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: passive smoking...how long does smoke stay...effect on pregnancy?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm concerned about passive smoking.  Does anyone know how long 
the smoke stays in the house?  Also, what effect does it have on 
pregnancy?

I have severe sinus and allergy problems - 2 sinus surgeries in 
the past 2 years.  Now my husband is starting to smoke in the 
house again.  Plus I'm pregnant, so this doesn't help the nausea,
and I'm concerned it might cause other problems.

- Peggy -
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus pressure
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:17:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep14.220300.18953@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>Hi, I got a cold last thursday and was pretty congested on saturday
>when i went skydiving. our airport is at 5,000' MSL, and i got out of
>
>about 15 seconds into freefall, the pressure in my face became painful,
>4000' later i was screaming in pain. i felt like my head was going to 

>freefall a couple of hours later, and i was fine. on sunday, i took 
>the pills before i went up, but only 2 instead of 3.
>
>during my first freefall, i felt pressure around the bridge of my nose, 
>i had thought to be because i'd taken the foam off of my goggles and they 
>were pressing my glasses against my face, but after the 2nd jump, i began
>to spit a little blood. during my third jump, i had blood running up my 
>goggles. 
>
>the potential for damage is?
>
The fact that you would continue to jump after having the symptoms you
described is simply amazing!  I think that seeing blood was your warning
sign to stop!!
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Doctors are Often the First to Recognize an Abused Child
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:14:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



It is often the case that a child's doctor will be the first
to recognize that the child is being abused.  If you are a doctor,
would you know how to spot abuse?  It's not always clear-cut.  

To find out more, I would like to encourage you to read and subscribe
to the newsgroup called alt.missing-kids

In alt.missing-kids, Child Quest International (via myself, a volunteer)
posts frequent information on missing, abused, and exploited children.

Child Quest needs your help in locating missing children, stopping abuse
and exploitation, and educating the children that are the future of
this world.  Please offer your input, suggestions, and comments in
alt.missing-kids

Thank You in Advance,
Child Quest International
lindae@netcom.com
From: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com (Cecil N. Jones)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: HPV and Vitamin B
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:40:55 GMT
Reply-To: zcnj01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco



From zcnj01@hou.amoco.com (Cecil N. Jones)
Subject:  HPV and Vitamin B
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:23:24 GMT


I recently saw a short note that said that studies at the University of Alabama at Birmingham prove that adequate vitamin B keeps HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) in check and prevents cell abnormalities that lead to cancer of the cervix.

Does anyone have a complete reference to this study, or have any other knowledge of the specifics? What is an adequate amount of vitamin B? How does it keep HPV in check? Etc.

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks,

---
  Cecil N. Jones    Amoco Production Co.  Houston, TX  713-588-5716
  Jones_Cecil_N/ets_ess@hou.amoco.com     ..or..     cnjones@hou.amoco.com           
  The opinions expressed are solely my own.
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:50:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Sep11.185239.29651@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <BuFErI.3KH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>>Tryptophan is off the market because of its association with EMS, that's all.
>>>It has nothing to do with Prozac or any other drug.  Sheesh.

>>Since it seems that EMS was caused not by tryptophan, but by a contaminant,
>>and since that contaminant is now tested for, why is it still off the market?

>Because, we don't know for sure it was caused by the contaminant, nor is the
>contamination situation as cut and dried as it's sometimes described to be.
>It may well be that high dose tryptophan taken as a single entity (i.e.,
>not as part of your food) can cause EMS in susceptible individuals.

Nor do we know the contrary.  Nor are we likely to find out unless humans
try it.  The FDA does no testing of its own.

Also, more than 99% of the people taking tryptophan OTC were taking doses
considerably smaller than what was needed to cause EMS even with the
contaminated tryptophan.  Warnings are appropriate.  Fiats are not.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)