HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives-gene pool
Followup-To: native vs planted...gene pool
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:18:37 GMT

In article <1hot4fINN1l0@golem.wcc.govt.nz> kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>Good question (I dunno).   Seems like there are several major variables
>>with many possible outcomes:
>>
>
>
>Now THAT is an answer!
>I recently saw a documentary on the declining gene pool of North american trout
>and salmon. Are the species under genetic threat?
>
>David Kenealy - from New Zealand
>

	it has been a while since i have read all my sporting books but i do
believe that, at least on the west coast, the gene pools of salmon and
trout are suffering greatly from the usual problems of loss of habitat, 
pollution, overfishing, and the like.  most major steelhead runs in northern 
california and oregon and washington have dwindled greatly.  with these
decreasing numbers there is a great certainty that the gene pools of these
species are suffering.  sorry i can't be more specific but it's been 
a few years since i have studied any of this closely. basic form of thinking
about it is, if there is a way for us humans to destroy it, we'll somehow
find a way. how depressing.
					-jh


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Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
From: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 29 Dec 1992 06:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz


>I have a quick question.  It's not really overly important to life, but it's

>now considered natives or are they considered planted? 

They are considered "introduced". Native = ALWAYS been there which for trout is
hardly ever.

David Kenealy from New Zealand - the world's best (and cheapest) trout fishery

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: 'cudas
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:37:22 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-29-92 01:29
< :From: <E69386@TRMETU.BITNET>
< :Hello,
< :It's me again ...I want some information about
< :a wonderful shaped fish called:BARACUDA....
< :If you have any information about habitats of
< :this fish,please call me....

 I'm no expert on this species but did fish for them about 4 years ago 
during a vacation in Cuba. Our first mate rigged what looked like 8" 
shiners. I brought along a Muskie plug (big wooden Suick), they 
laughed upon seeing it but obligingly put it out.
 
 The Captain was trolling very quickly and asked him to slow down and 
within a minute........BANG! An 18 lb. 'Cuda Smacked it! (this brought 
the smile off their faces).
 
 It totally destroyed the Lure, believe the Carribean/Gulf of Mexico 
is their Territory but wouldn't be surprised of they are available in 
other waters.
 
 The rod/reel was a very old Penn combination and their teeth are 
unbelievable (1/2" and Razor Sharp). There were two species that we 
caught (some had two Fangs on the upper lip and a single on the lower 
and vice versa for the other).
 
 We kept one for the table and had the Cuban's  prepare it (Grilled or 
BBQ, couldn't tell) and very neutral tasting (good thing as I don't 
like Fish) with a firm and fleshy meat.
 
 I couldn't accurately gauge what their Fighting tendencies are like 
since the monofilament was the thickest I've ever seen (surely 80+lb. 
test). I tried to back off the drag but the drag washers were severely 
worn and it was either ON or OFF. The rods were about as pliable as 
pool cues. I'd guess that an enraged Chinook Salmon is a better 
Sportfish but it's tough to gauge since I run 16 lb. test and a fairly 
complaint rod.
 
 They are long and slender (reminds me of a Pike) and we didn't hit 
into anything that exceeded 20lbs. My lasting impression is of their 
Teeth, long and Very Sharp.
 
 Regards
  Marv
 
PS I did encounter Barracuda while snorkeling and it was a Scary
   experience. They are a "curious" species, kept coming closer to
   "check me out". My immediate reaction was to "get the hell out
   of there", my fishing experience dictated that I FREEZE.
   The five footer that wanted to get close, got too close (egads
   talk about Teeth), I gently nudged him away and (Thank Goodness)
   he co-operated and swam away. I guess I was "boring".....;-)
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: US equivalent of UK's "Trout & Salmon"
From: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 29 Dec 1992 07:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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In article <arnold-281292154008@lat1mac29.cchem.berkeley.edu>, arnold@violet.berkeley.edu (John Arnold) writes:
>I guess the title says it all.  Could anyone tell me the name of the widest
>read fishing magazine in the US.  (This is for my Dad who fishes for trout
>and salmon in England and Scotland primarily, but who may come and visit
>me, hence the interest in fishing here).  Thanks for any info.

There are a number of mags in the USA which should be down at your local news
stand.

Your Dad fishes in the UK and Scotland? I'm about to go over to UK for a year.
Do you or anyone else know how much it costs to fish for trout in the UK? I
have heard ugly rumours that the cost is several thousand pounds. In New
Zealand an annual licence costs NZ $55 (about 18 pounds) and you have
guaranteed access to all rivers, more or less.

Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:54:00 GMT

tomg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:

>At the recent Oregon Salmon Summit, some talked of identifying and protecting
>"core" fish populations.   If we can't protect everything, maybe we should
>protect large genetic pools with the hope that if humans can straighten up
>and restore all the rivers and creeks in the future, that the core populations
>could be used to re-seed lost populations.

>Thomas Gilg

The feds along with a bunch of enviornfreaks seem determined to make the
lake trout the ONLY preditor fish in the great lakes and eliminate all the
non-indigineous species like browns, steelhead, and of course those bad
salmon.  They want to restore the lake to "the way it was" back before man
messed it up.  For the feds it's a power grab and a way to keep their jobs
at the federal lake trout hatcheries.  For the others, it some kind of 
madness that says the not only is "natural" (whatever that means) better
but natural is the only.

This idiocy would completely destroy the sport fishing industry on the
great lakes with all the economical benefits to the region, but is
completely impossible.  There used to be a number of sub-strains of lake 
trout that spawned at different times in different habitat.  Now there is
only one and it could never sustain a natural reproduction.  It is one
instance where those core populations should have been maintained but
no one cared.  Hopefully, we will wake up and spend the money to do so
with other species and not waste it on the failed lake trout mess to
try to reach some ideological imppossibility.
From: horzepa@gdc.com (Stan Horzepa)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: why alt.fashion?
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:54:34 GMT
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What is the purpose of this newsgroup?

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From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Manf. specs set by ABC/WIBC
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu <Mark Allan Hunt>
Organization: Hunt Technologies
Originator: mahunt@c00315-2114bl.eos.ncsu.edu


So what do you other bowlers think about the new three bowling ball
specifications impossed on the manufactures? They are

1.Thr radius of gyration-"I think dynamic imbalance min-max requirement"
2.The amount of pin reconstitution.
3.The coeffecient of friction.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Peace through the Holidays...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75B61EE37032631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:58:38 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:01:11 GMT


Just a quick note to wish everyone a most joyous holiday
season.  Lynn and I both hope that you and yours is filled 
with peace and happiness thoughout the coming year.

Since not all drivers are not bowlers, 
please drive carefully during the holiday season.
I want you back after the holidays, so that my team
can kick yer butt in the FBL!  ;-) ...


God Bless...

Regards,



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: tfalk@decoy.uucp (25442-falk)
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:58:17 GMT

Since we seem to have a rash of Hall of Shame/Fame awards, I thought I'd
relate the one we had in a league two years ago.  We had someone a couple
of lanes down from us throw thirteen (13) strikes in the second game.
Ended up with a 250.

Fouled on both balls in the second frame.......


Ted

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Happy Holidays 
Keywords: Happy Holidays
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:43:42 GMT

	Wishing everyone Happy and safe Holidays.

	Jeff, Brenda, Cathy, 7 Charissa Hammond
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hall of fame
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:11:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

> :  202-234-277 713. My previous high sanctions were 269 and 674.

Great Series... I feel sorry for Team #5...

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: FBL Schedule
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:25:07 GMT


... from the Chief Schedule Maker ...


	A reminder that the FBL will not "bowl" during the week between
	24 December (1900 GMT) and 31 December (1900 GMT).  Everyone is,
	however, encouraged to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New
	Year.


Have a great Christmas, everyone ... BTW, how many of you are planning on
going to a bowling party for New Year's Eve?


Bob - Chantilly B.A. is having a party ... that's where you can find me   :-)

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From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: dry vs. oily lanes
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:10:50 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <9212172007.AA19146@theory.pppl.gov>,  writes:
> Well, I've finally got my average above 160 and I now need the aid of the
> collective knowledge of the net...

that is what we are here for...

> If I hit the pocket well with one ball on oily conditions, what should I do
> when I face a dry lane? Do I keep the same ball and drastically adjust my
> shot, or should I get another ball for those days? 

it is always advisable to carry different equipment for differing lane
conditions (for those who throw a relatively consistent hook).  while it
is good to know how to adjust to differing lane conditions, radically
dry and radically oily conditions call for several (at least two)
balls.

i carry two balls into most houses.  for BA Chantilly, i carry a track
axis purple rhino pro (my "everyday ball"), and a track axis white dot
(for those semi-frequent nights when the rhino is over reacting.  for
BA falls church, the varying lane conditions have forced me to carry
more varied equipment, all of which has seen action at some point this
season.  i carry the track white dot and rhino pro, as well as a label/
thumb black rhino pro, and a label purple rhino pro.  there is always
8-10 balls in the trunk for special occasions (including a label sanded
nitro for those texas oil well nights).

i like the purple track rhino pro very much (fit and reaction), so i am
likely to semi-radically adjust with it (sometimes too long) before
giving in and changing equipment.

> And what about my wrist brace? Is it too much of a crutch? I have a high
> backswing and it seems to help at the top of the swing right now.

i personally do not like aids of this sort, but if it works for you, keep
it in use.  i find that wrist devices (sorry aki) hinder the natural flow
of my swing, and make me "muscle up", usually pulling shots.  if you are
used to using an aid, removing it will probably (at least temporarily)
hinder your performance while you get used to a new "feel" of your swing.

some very good bowlers (aki, pete weber, randy pederson, etc) use
a wrist aid, and like the consistent feel of the release (and make money
for using them on tv.  8-).  i used a dick weber for 6 weeks while bowling
with a stress fracture in my right wrist, and it took 3-4 weeks to get
a relaxed "feel" back into my swing.  in other words, if it works and it is
legal, do it.

> I eagerly await your answers...

just my $.02.

> Keith

bill "another night with my head buried up my butt in game 2" walker.


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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: omnibus post
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:31:32 -1000
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

...stuff deleted...
> decided to wean myself of my brace and have not ever regretted it.  The
> brace made a big difference when I was first learning fingertip, but
> now I find that I bowl better without it.
> 
HEAR HEAR!!!  I too threw my Mongoose into the darkest corner of my Bag a 
couple of months ago.  I have not regretted it once.  but I DO agree they 
are very good used as a training aid, and I've even heard of one bowler who 
from time to time puts one on, just to "remind" himself what a stright 
wrist feels like.

> 	What are the pros and cons of folding your little finger under
> 	the ball for fingertip bowlers?  How many of you do this?
> 
I do this, and it simply gives me a better release.

> 	Remedies for a sore hand or thumb?
> 
a) Get your ball drilled PROPERLY.  It never ceases to amaze me how many 
people seem to take sore thumbs as *normal*..  I've seen people bowling in 
tournaments with *bleeding* thumb injuries, new-skin and patches 
everywhere!  If your ball is drilled *correctly*, bowling causes *ZERO* 
pain or injury to your thumb, fingers or hand.

b) Bowl more naturally.  The object of Bowling is to knock down all ten 
pins, and *NOT* to throw a bigger hook than anyone else.  The ridiculous 
hand contortions some people get into to try and get more revs and more 
hook must account for many of the bowling related injuries ou there...

> This last question is very important to me right now...Sometime about 4
> or 5 weeks ago I strained my hand somehow...It seems to get better for
> a while and then it will flare up (and I mean flare!) while bowling.
> 
> Dr. Aki...you seem to have had some experience at bowling while
> injured.  Do you have any advice?
> 
> Any serious advice will be considered...Giving up bowling for a few
> weeks is NOT serious advice ;-)

And WHY NOT?  Get real.  If you are genuinely injured, it is just plain 
DUMB to ignore it and EVEN DUMBER to continue doing what CAUSED the injury.

It's preferable to take a few days off your beloved sport than to end up 
having to give it up forever.  On the other hand (no pun intended!) if you 
are simply hurting yourself through excessive hand/wrist action, then the 
answer is simple: STOP doing what HURTS.. 
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: Hall of fame
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

 FBL alert - these games count.

 202-234-277 713. My previous high sanctions were 269 and 674.

 I left the 2-4-5 in the 6th frame of the third game. (a small mental lapse)


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Hall of fame
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:16:50 GMT

Andy Cookingham (cookinga@vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
: 
:  FBL alert - these games count.
: 
:  202-234-277 713. My previous high sanctions were 269 and 674.
: 
:  I left the 2-4-5 in the 6th frame of the third game. (a small mental lapse)

What team is the guy on!!!!  Great Bowling.  Congratulations on the new
high game and series.  I just hope and prey that you are not bowling
team #1 this week.  Definite Hall of Fame candidate and admitted on the
first ballot.

--
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GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:44:03 GMT

25442-falk (tfalk@decoy.uucp) wrote:
: Since we seem to have a rash of Hall of Shame/Fame awards, I thought I'd
: relate the one we had in a league two years ago.  We had someone a couple
: of lanes down from us throw thirteen (13) strikes in the second game.
: Ended up with a 250.
: 
: Fouled on both balls in the second frame.......
: 
: 
: Ted
: 

I think after that one I would have throw my equipment out of the car on
the way home.  Ouch!!!!!!

--
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GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar)
Subject: Re: Manf. specs set by ABC/WIBC
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:25:12 GMT

mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT) writes:
: 
: So what do you other bowlers think about the new three bowling ball
: specifications impossed on the manufactures? They are
: 
: 1.Thr radius of gyration-"I think dynamic imbalance min-max requirement"
: 2.The amount of pin reconstitution.
                  ^^^
: 3.The coeffecient of friction.

I've seen references to "pin" a number of times in a.s.b but I don't 
know what this is.  Could someone please tell me?  In general, I think 
the response(s) to this should be summarized for our FAQ (what do you 
think, aki?)


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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Peace through the Holidays...
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:25:24 GMT

I also wish everyone the best of holiday cheers.  ** Remember that most
bowling alleys are open on Christmas after 3pm.  (At least in my area
they are) **  I hope that everyone enjoys there holiday season and has a
very happy new year.  

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: How do you practice?
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:06:34 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility



   I've been tossing (darts!) for about two years now and still
   having trouble staying consistant.  I was kind of hoping I
   could get some practice or technique tips.

   For practice I've been going 20-B on triples and then doubles.
   I would think I could keep them within an 1" of point of aim by
   now but its not happening enough.  Maybe I should start going around 
   on two-in-a-bed.  What do you do for solitare practice?  

   Better yet, I've seen you guys play.  How do you keep that ice water
   in your viens chilled.  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: khuhner@eng.auburn.edu (Kurt E. Huhner)
Subject: Re: 9 out in '01?
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:05:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.210316.8624@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:
>
>re: (Rob Spray) ...........
>>I was practising my '01 outs last night and came up
>>with an interesting dilemma.  Suppose (through no fault
>>of your own B-) ) you are left with 9, how do you finish it?
>>1, D4  - on the powers of two theory, that says if you get a single
>>  4 on your second dart, you can still finish with D2. or
>>3, D3 - given that the single 3 is a sighting dart for the double.
>> Opinions?
>
>Rob,
>	To be a good darter, you should be comfortable with any of the
>	doubles. Personal preference or luck/non-luck, it shouldn't matter.
>	Nothing wrong with going for D1 either. Only you know how you are
>	shooting any particular day and whether you feel confident and
>	focused. Typically it is the beginner who follows some sort of
>	personal restrictions and guidelines, shooting only at certain 
>	numbers (like powers of 2) while ignoring other numbers. The 
>	advanced shooters will target any number that can/will win.
>	
>	For example: just how in the hell did you wind up at 9? Does that
>	mean you shot for an 18...D9? You shouldn't have done that! According
>	to the Beginner's Dart Handbook section 3 rule 4 article 9, you
>	should have shot the single 2 to leave 16...D8!!!   :-)
>	See, you don't follow those rules. And you thought rules were meant
>	to be followed. Agassi says..."just do it"...Bud Dry says..."Why ask
>	Why?"........you should be saying........"I don't care, I can win
>	on any double."  8^p
>

Well, I have only been playing about 10 years...and I can think of one QUICK way
to get to 9.  Start with 96.  Listed out 60, 36 right?  Well what if YOU hit
60, 18...with one dart left do you go for it or throw your last dart on the 
floor as to not leave 9!  There is no question...go for it.  And if you are
thinking of Shangai the 16's on 96, Dont...Low % shot.

Remember...All doubles (minus x25) are the EXACT SAME SIZE...
Object: To win by hitting ANY double to reduce your score to ZERO.


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