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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #274
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:35:37 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Tue, 17 Nov 92       Volume 10 : Issue 274

Today's Topics:

      [*] Amslam 18 - a finger-spelling font
      [*] Bob's Eyes Pro 2.0.2 (again!!!)
      [*] Bob's Eyes Pro 201 -> 202 Update Archive
      [*] Hqx - New Pax Imperia PLAYABLE demo to replace older one
      [*] Kermit Tool Revision
      [*] QLTools on the Mac
      [*] Submission for Info-mac - Mac PGP 2.0
      [*] THINK C 5.0.4 Update
      [*] TidBITS#152/16-Nov-92
      (A) American Sign Language
      128 MB Optical Drives
      486 on the net
      Alternative to Chooser for printer selection
      Archie
      archiving software
      Astronomy CDs
      Bibliography Software
      Can't figure out FAXstf
      Color ImageWriter II Driver
      DEC laserWriter
      DEC laserWriter, again?
      Deskwriter - pause after each page
      DeskWriter Problem (A)
      DW double-sided printing
      DW paper
      Email Lists, and other cool hacks...
      Epson 128Mb MO drives?
      first name database
      FTP Mac-files on a 486
      Help with modeling
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #273
      Knowledge Based Systems (Q)
      Large Monitors for Mac IIcx
      Laserbridge (Ethernet/Localtalk) (C)
      Looking for MODE32
      MacMoney
      Mac SE floppy drive problem
      Mail Order
      Maple V Student version?
      Microsoft Word 4.0 double pages (A)
      modula for mac (Q)
      NOW Utilities and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem Again (Q)
      Personal Bomb flame - bucket o' water
      Personal LaserWriter Upgrades
      Philisophical compression discusssion
      Price Club Powerbooks and other mac stuff
      Printed Circuit Board Qs
      Quadra 950
      Quadra Overdrive in Extensions Folder
      Res-Edit Hack of TeachText.
      SAM 3.5 vs. Disinfectant (R)
      SE/30 monitor problem
      SE/30 monitor problem II
      Selling older software versions - more comments
      Shareware dictionary?
      Shuttle Pilot
      SIMMs, FPUs and Printer questions
      Student HyperCard stack writer wanted
      Trouble downloading from ftp.apple.com
      Trouble installing System 7.1
      Upgrade to AppleTalk PC software (Q)
      Virtual Screens
      Word5.1 upgrade offer
      Word colorizer
      X11 library on Mac

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:55:32 EST
From: Ephraim Vishniac <ephraim@Think.COM>
Subject: [*] Amslam 18 - a finger-spelling font

Enclosed is Amslam, an 18-point finger-spelling font which appeared in
comp.binaries.mac several years ago.

[Archived as /info-mac/font/amslam.hqx; 6K]

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 8:47:32 MET
From: ROBERTO AVANZI 338188/SM <gandalf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it>
Subject: [*] Bob's Eyes Pro 2.0.2 (again!!!)

BOB'S EYES PRO version 2.0.2                                 Nov 13, 1992
#
This little application shows several windows (up to eight) each one with
two eyes looking curiously at your pointer. They have their own ``life''.
They are designed to work in the background under system 6 with MultiFinder
on or System 7 and later.
It is a kind of X-Eyes for the Macintosh Operating System, but try them
both on a Mac running A/UX and compare !!!
SOURCES ARE INCLUDED. (for those of you who want to learn how NOT to
write macintosh applications).
#
Now Bob's Eyes Pro is Free Software distributed under the GNU GPL version 2
or later. I retain the copyright anyway. Using/Copying it means accepting
the terms of the GNU GPL. Read the files READ-ME, COPYING and COPYING-LIBRARY
included with this distribution CAREFULLY.
Anyway if you like it, feel free to send me a postcard (I *REALLY* WOULD
LIKE IT !!!), to tell me you appreciated it. However you are not morally
obliged to.
Please report to me any enhancement you have made.
Version 2.0.2 corrects menus, and legal stuff from version 2.0.1, other
than some info about contacting me (things have changed).
Roberto Avanzi
<gandalf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it>
"Those from Italy send you their greetings." (Hebrews 13:24-NIV)
(enclosed is a binhexed compactpro archive)

[Archived as /info-mac/app/bobs-eyes-pro-202.hqx; 241K]

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 8:48:33 MET
From: ROBERTO AVANZI 338188/SM <gandalf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it>
Subject: [*] Bob's Eyes Pro 201 -> 202 Update Archive

BOB'S EYES PRO version 2.0.1->2.0.2 updater                 Nov 13, 1992
#
This file contains the version 2.0.2 of my Bob's Eyes Pro Application
and the difference files to rebuild version 2.0.2 from the 2.0.1
distribution. So if you already have the 2.0.1 version download only this
file.
Version 2.0.2 supersedes all previous versions.
#
Roberto Avanzi
<gandalf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it>
"Those from Italy send you their greetings." (Hebrews 13:24-NIV)
(enclosed is a binhexed compactpro archive)

[Archived as /info-mac/app/bobs-eyes-pro-202-updater.hqx; 129K]

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 13:24:42 -0500
From: kellehe@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: [*] Hqx - New Pax Imperia PLAYABLE demo to replace older one

Subject: pax-imperia-demo


This is a demo of the game "Pax Imperia".  I have no connection with the
company that produces this game; I don't even own a copy myself (yet ).  :<)

It is a "conquer the galaxy" game, supporting multiple players and net play.
Level of detail is very high.  My description cannot do it justice.  Download
it and experience it yourself.

The paper flyer sent to me with the demo said it can be ordered by calling
1-(800)-370-4PAX, SRP $59.95.

The authors' readme says they can be reached at:

Voice: (203) 623-1963
Fax: (203) 654-1661
AppleLink: Changeling
AOL: Changeling

[Archived as /info-mac/demo/pax-imperia.hqx; 1384K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:32 CST
From: HOWES@bert.chem.wisc.edu
Subject: [*] Kermit Tool Revision

Info-Mac:
 The enclosed Kermit Tool should solve problems involving
 macbinary generation in the tool I sent out last week. In
 addition a few experimental features have been added and some
 cosmetic changes were made.

 good luck,
 Glenn R. Howes
 howes@bert.chem.wisc.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/kermit-tool-12.hqx; 55K]

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 11:37:26 MET
From: ROBERTO AVANZI 338188/SM <gandalf@sabrina.dei.unipd.it>
Subject: [*] QLTools on the Mac

Hey!
       This is qltools, a simple tool for manipulating QL files.

       It compiles ok on the Macintosh platform under the Think C
       environment provided you use libraries compiled with 4 byte ints
       and the 4 byte int option turned on (Roberto Avanzi).

[Archived as /info-mac/app/qltools.hqx; 35K]

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 21:34:49 +0000
From: Dave Banisar <tc@eff.org>
Subject: [*] Submission for Info-mac - Mac PGP 2.0

Mac PGP 2.0

Synopsis:  PGP uses public-key encryption (RSA) to protect E-mail and data
files.  Communicate securely with people you've never met, with no
secure channels needed for prior exchange of keys.  PGP is well
featured and fast, with sophisticated key management, digital
signatures, data compression, and good ergonomic design.

Mac PGP will allow you to communicate and exchange secure email with other
computers that have versions of PGP 2.0 including VAX/VMS, UNIX, IBM PC,
Amiga,
Atari ST and more. Compressed with Stuffit Deluxe.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/mac-pgp-20.hqx; 206K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:18:32 -0500
From: "Phil Shapiro" <phils@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: [*] THINK C 5.0.4 Update

This self-extracting archive contains the THINK C 5.0.4 update. The
update corrects problems with the Quadra, the code motion
optimization, and other problems present in earlier versions. There is
no TCL update with this 5.0.4 update, so if you are already using
5.0.2 or later or don't use the TCL, you should download just this
file. If you are using version 5.0 or 5.0.1 and use the TCL, you
should skip this file and download just the file 'ThC 5.0.4/TCL 1.1.2
Update.sea' which contains both the THINK C 5.0.4 and the TCL 1.1.2
updates.

This version corrects a bug in the "Code Motion" optimization that was
introduced in the 5.0.3 release, and includes documentation about a
bug with the "align_arrays" pragma.

If you have any questions about this update, or about THINK C or THINK
Pascal in general, please send them to Languages Tech Support at:

D0512@Applelink.apple.com

	-phil
   Phil Shapiro                                   Software Engineer
   Language Products Group                     Symantec Corporation
		   Internet: phils@cs.brandeis.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/lang/think-c-504-updater.hqx; 454K]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:16:11 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: [*] TidBITS#152/16-Nov-92

TidBITS#152/16-Nov-92

 Great reviews this week, including Now Utilities 4.0.1 and Rich
   Wolfson's excellent book, The PowerBook Companion. Other
   articles include news of an updater for Word 5.1, WordPerfect
   buying BeagleWorks, a great way to roll your own Portable
   DeskWriter, and a tip that could avoid serious hair-pulling for
   tech support people. Read on, or forever be woefully uninformed!

Topics:
    MailBITS/16-Nov-92
    Driver Education
    PerfectWorks
    Portable DeskJet Trick
    Travels with Charley
    What's Up, Now?
    Reviews/16-Nov-92

[Archived as /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-152.etx; 29K]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:50:27 EST
From: Ephraim Vishniac <ephraim@Think.COM>
Subject: (A) American Sign Language

The fingerspell Hypercard stack is still available in a few places.
Archie says:

Host flop.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
    Location: /pub/mac
      FILE      -rw-r--r--     147968  Nov 26  1991  fingerspell.cpt.bin

Host plaza.aarnet.edu.au
    Location: /micros/mac/umich/hypercard/organization
      FILE      -r--r--r--     201131  Nov 21  1991  fingerspell.cpt.hqx

Host rigel.acs.oakland.edu
    Location: /pub/macintosh/hc
      FILE      -rw-r--r--     161152  Nov 24  1988  fingerspell.sit

Host wuarchive.wustl.edu
    Location: /mirrors3/archive.umich.edu/mac/hypercard/organization
      FILE      -r--r--r--     201131  Nov 20  1991  fingerspell.cpt.hqx
    Location: /mirrors4/macintosh/hc
      FILE      -rw-rw-r--     161152  Nov 24  1988  fingerspell.sit

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:07 EST
From: ELIOT@cs.umass.EDU
Subject: 128 MB Optical Drives

I've been seeing ads for 128 MB optical removable cartridge drives
recently.   It claims to be reliable, fast and slices and dices too.

I've heard of problems with NeXt machine optical drives.  Are these new
ones really reliable? Any experiences?

Chris Eliot

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Date: 16 Nov 92 03:31:00 GMT
From: NVG8105@mvax31.ntou.edu.tw
Subject: 486 on the net

Dear Mu,

     I've a 486 and a IIci, but only the 486 is connected to Telnet. My
     question
is that if it's possible to ftp a file for Mac on a 486? I've AccessPC
installed
in my Mac, so could I ftp a Mac-file on a 486 and , off course, save it on a
DOS
-formatted disk, and then put it into my Mac .........

     I've tried many times, and it didn't work. Am I doing anything wrong? Or
     I

have to buy another EtherNet Card for my IIci ? Pls give a hand!



			THANX!!!


								Mack.
						Nvg8105@140.121.100.10

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:22:16 EST
From: Jonathan <JKAMIEN%UVMVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Alternative to Chooser for printer selection

If you have Quickeys(t) from CE Software, use their "Choosy" Quickey.
You can toggle different printers on and off with a keystroke.

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Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:36:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: CSCHERRER@Ruby.VCU.EDU
Subject: Archie

I know this has been asked about a million times, but I thought I would
never need it, but now I do.  Could someone tell me where and how to use
Archie.  Or where the FAQ is that has this question, answered.  Thanks

cscherrer@vcuruby or @ruby.vcu.edu ....   Look ma, one line .sig!

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Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:34:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Leslie Lamont Jones <LESLIEJ@utkvx.utk.edu>
Subject: archiving software

In IM Digest #273, William M. Porter <WMPORTER@Jetson.UH.EDU> writes

>In a somewhat impertinent appendix to his note announcing the posting of Ars
>Magna (for which posting I am grateful), LJONES@utkvx.utk.edu added the
>following:

   >> Philisophical compression discusssion. I tried archiving this with
   >> Stuffit 1.5.1, 1.6(Classic) and Compact Pro 1.33.
   >>
   >>     Results:
   >>     Compact Pro      122K
   >>     Stufit 1.5.1     131K
   >>     Stuffit 1.6      126K

>Anyway, Compact Pro is a very nice program, I agree; but the versions of
>StuffIt that LJONES used for his "test" are not the latest versions, so the
>test doesn't seem to me either fair or useful.

     My results were not meant to constitute a test. I was just using what was
on my hard drive. I downloaded Stuffit Lite today and you're right, SL did
produce a smaller archive (about 118K).
     My point, however, was that I used the Stuffit 1.5.1 format because
it is the most widely supported, not because it was smallest, which it clearly
was not.
     The advantages of the 1.5.1 format are several:

*widely supported by numerous copies of Stuffit 1.5.1, Classic, Deluxe, etc.
*automatically unstuffed by Fetch, Downline, etc.
*supported by Compact Pro, so CP users never have to leave CP

     What I'm getting at is this: if the difference in the size of archives
created by different compression schemes is small (less than 7% in this case),
is it acceptable to use the most convenient format? While Stuffit Deluxe/Lite
may indeed be more efficient, they are the least widely distributed shareware
formats, and thus cause inconvenience. And remember, I am a Compact Pro fan,
but I uploaded in Stuffit 1.5.1 format because I thought it would be most
 convenient for everyone- Compact Pro and Stuffit users alike.
     I'll leave this question up to the net, and abide by its decision. I want
what's best for everyone.

Leslie Jones, UT Knoxville

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:47:46 HOE
From: Joao Luis Silva Damas <JOAOLSD@vm1.sdi.uam.es>
Subject: Astronomy CDs

Hi,
 I have a question that I hope someone out there can answer.
Sometime ago I saw an advertisement for some CD-ROMs containing images
of the planets taken by the voyager, viking,etc spacecraft. I think
these were published by NASA but I can't remember were did I see the
advertisem
ent so I can't get them.
Does anyone know anything about these CD-ROMs?
Also if you know about any other astronomical information on this format,
pleas
e tell me.
 Thanks a lot to you all.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:28:51 EST
From: "Gregory E. Gilbert" <gilberge@lp.musc.edu>
Subject: Bibliography Software

I am in search of some software that will help me summarize a number of
articles I have.  I would like to be able to seach by a subject or keyword.
Possibly even author.  As usual free/shareware is the preferred option.
Thanks much!

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:47:55 PST
From: Paul Brians <BRIANS@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Subject: Can't figure out FAXstf

I recently got FAXstf bundled with my new modem.  I have tried
repeatedly to send in the registration using the procedures outlined
in the manual, but have always failed.  Sometimes I connect, but the
FAX is never sent.  I have also never succeeded in sending a FAX
to myself at my office.  The machine just never answers.  Is there
anyone willing to work with me on this?  Just send me email direct.
I should mention that a friend of mine who got the same deal sent
his registration successfully.  Since he's using the same hardware
and software, I must have something configured wrong, but he's not
expert enough to figure out what.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:36:39 -0500
From: "Tom Wilson" <wilsont@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov> (Tom Wilson)
Subject: Color ImageWriter II Driver

Out of curiosity, I have an Apple IIgs/ImageWriter II combination that
produces some really good color documents when the ribbon is new and the
document doesn't use broad expanses of color or dramatically non-primary
colors.

I'd like to do some colot printing from my Mac, but alas, the print driver
doesn't seem to support color.  Is there a color driver that works with the
Mac?

Tom Wilson
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
<wilsont@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov>

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Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:35:34 -0700 (MST)
From: "ALAN LEVINE, MCLI" <LEVINE@MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject: DEC laserWriter

Does the net have any info yet on DEC's new laserWriter for the Mac-
it's being listed at sub $1           thanks muchly, alan

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Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:37:47 -0700 (MST)
From: "ALAN LEVINE, MCLI" <LEVINE@MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject: DEC laserWriter, again?

I hope I stopped my first mail tonight- lost some important digits from
the 1200 baud blues... Does the net have any info yet on DEC's new laserWriter
for the Mac-
it's being listed at sub $1000        thanks muchly, alan

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:59:24 PST
From: Brad Sandman <BES@PROVAX.intel.com>
Subject: Deskwriter - pause after each page

Nicholas,

I don't have a Deskwriter, so I don't know if there is a software method
for pausing the printer after each page.  However, since you are already
manually intervening to flip the paper over, why don't you give the printer
only one sheet at a time?   That way, the printer will be out of paper
after each sheet and you can flip it over or provide the next one.

hope this helps,
Brad Sandman

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:50:55 +0100
From: "Dr. Christoph van Wuellen"
<HBO043%DJUKFA11.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: DeskWriter Problem (A)

I had the same problem some time ago:
A blank line at even spacings, which even remained when switching
to a new ink cartouche.
In my case the problem was a small piece of junk on the electrical
contacts with the cartouche, this disabled the line.

C.v.W.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:13 GMT
From: Simon Shum <SJS2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: DW double-sided printing

>>I was wonder if you have heard of a way to get a DeskWriter to pause after
each printed page is spit out so that I can flip it and print on the
backside.<<

There's a serial DeskWriter driver in the BetterWriters (TM) series by
Softworks Inc.

It's called "BetterWriter DW", and has an option to print odd and even pages
separately, so you can just stick the paper back in after the first half's
done.  Don't know any access details, or if it's ...ware of any sort though.
I'd imagine not.

Anyone know (i) an address, (ii) if there's an appletalk version, or (iii) if
there's a  BetterWriter for the LaserWriter which does the same? Seems the
obvious thing to do.

Simon

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:37 PDT
From: Ed Costello <COSTELLO@YOOHOO.llnl.gov>
Subject: DW paper

On Sat, 14 Nov 1992 22:14:26 MST, Nicholas Tripcevich (gg__nkt@lewis.umt.edu)
wrote:

>  I was wonder if you have heard of a way to get a DeskWriter to pause after
>each printed page is spit out so that I can flip it and print on the
>backside.

Try either:
	1) Using the 'hand-feed' option.  (The driver will ask you to insert
"the next sheet" for each page)

	- OR -

	2) Put only one sheet of paper in the paper tray.  (The driver will
tell you that the printer is out of paper between each sheet)

	While clunky, one or the other of these should work.

- Ed

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 8:59:29 EST
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Email Lists, and other cool hacks...

Christopher Cotton <regis@mit.edu> writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I was just trying to gather a list of people's favorite email lists (yes, I
>know I can just list everything in listserv)  BUT I want
>interesting mailing lists.
>
>Like the sci-fi lovers, info-mac, etc...  anytype of public list...  so
>just send me your favorite (not all, just the best).
>
>Also if you know of any cool addresses where you can send mail and get
>something back...  like a email fortune server, the usenet oracle, etc.
>Send me those too.

FTP to ftp.nisc.sri.com and get yourself either:

/netinfo/interest-groups  (1015256 bytes)
   or
/netinfo/interest-groups.Z (400809 bytes) <-Must be transferred as binary

		tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:40:46 -0500
From: mjkobb@media-lab.mit.edu
Subject: Epson 128Mb MO drives?

Hi!

  Anybody heard anything about the Epson 128Mb optical mechanism?
How are they in terms of speed, reliability and compatibility?

Thanks!
--Mike

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:27:22 -0500
From: rishi@acs.bu.edu (Arthur Rishi)
Subject: first name database

Does anyone know of a database or source list of common first names, separated
by male/female? This would be used  to create a program to add titles (Mr. or
Ms.) to a large mailing list that was entered without titles. (I know there
would inevitable be some names that get coded wrong, or some that fall though
the cracks, but this would be a start on updating a very large mailing list)

Perhaps there is a computerized 'names for babies' book that could be used?

You can e-mail any ideas directly to me.

Thanks,

Arthur G. Rishi

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Date: 17 Nov 92 01:22:00 GMT
From: NVG8105@mvax31.ntou.edu.tw
Subject: FTP Mac-files on a 486

Dear Sir,
    I e-mail'ed you 2 days ago, but I found there was something wrong with

the MicroVAX here last night. I'm not sure if you've received the e-mail, so

I send it again. If you did receive, Pls just skip this one. Thanx!

   I've a 486 and a IIci, but only the 486 is on the TELNET. My quiestion

is that could I FTP a Mac-file by using a 486 and , off course, save it

on a DOS-formatted disk, unpack and then run it on Macs ? I've Apple File

Exchange and AccessPC installed in my Mac. And there are StuffIt Deluxe and

BinHex5.0 as well. Well, How could I convert the file that I FTP on a 486

into Mac-format correctly ? I've tried many times by AccessPC, but it didn't

work. Am I doing anything wrong ? Do I have to buy another EtherCard for my

ci and then I could FTP files for my Mac ? Pls give me some hints. THANX !!!



								     Mack.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:06:15 -0600
From: oehler%garfield.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: Help with modeling

Ok, I've got a problem...
	I use Specular Infini-D 1.0, which is getting old as rendering
software goes.  I also recently lost the import/export filters to a rather
nasty disk crash.  Since there are other modeling packages used on campus
here,  I would like some degree of convertability, and expandability.  If
anyone knows where I can pick up translation filters, or perhaps resupply
the ones I used to have (DXF and Swivel, the standards)  i would be most
appreciative.

Thanx

Eric Oehler
Oehler@garfield.cs.wisc.edu
oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:35:13 CST
From: PULLMANN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #273

>Is there any way to make double pages using MS Word?  I want to print two
>pages (portrait style) on an 11 x 8.5" page and have Word number the
>pages (i.e. pages #1 and #2 will appear side-by-side on one sheet of
>paper).

Daniel--
I asked this question about 6-8 months ago.  I received lots of answers
but the bottom line seems to be that it can't be done.  I would, however,
love to be wrong ;), 'cuz this is something I could really use.  So if
anyone knows a way to do it, please reply to the list as well as to Daniel.
Thanks very much

Pat Ullmann  PULLMANN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU or PULLMANN@TRINITY (BITNET)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:00:17 +0000
From: R.W.Griffiths@open.ac.uk (Rob Griffiths)
Subject: Knowledge Based Systems (Q)

Has anyone details about knowledge based programming environments for
the Macintosh (preferably with multi-media capability)?

Rob Griffiths
(E-mail: R.W.Griffiths@open.ac.uk)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:55:43 CST
From: lboynton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Laura Boynton)
Subject: Large Monitors for Mac IIcx

Hi,

I am a regular reader of the Info-Mac, but unfortunately my account was
recently deleted; a friend is allowing me to use her account.

I have been asked by my boss to research large monitors that can run on a
Macintosh IIcx, and I had first tried to order the Radius Color Pivot/LE
advertised in MacWarehouse for $889 (including the card!).  BUT YESTERDAY,
MacWarehouse calls and lets me know that Radius wasn't providing MW with
the cards -- I could get the monitors now, but would have to pay extra for
the cards and wait two weeks!  Sheesh!

So, I'm again in the market for large displays for the Mac IIcx.  We
predominately do wide spreadsheet work here, so color isn't *necessary*
(although it would be nice).   I would just like *something* that can
display an 8.5x11 page in landscape orientation.

The best price that I've seen is the 20" Sampo from MacDirect, at $598 for
mono and $898 for greyscale.  Of course, I've never had any experience
with Sampo, and imagine that I  would get what I paid for.  I'm also
thinking about a Radius Monochrome Pivot -- I've been quoted prices around
$950.  Any suggestions?

Please reply direct to lboynton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu.  Many thanks!

Adam Hauerwas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:42:37 PST
From: Les Ferch <ferch@ucs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Laserbridge (Ethernet/Localtalk) (C)

>LaserBridge does it with much less memory and CPU overhead than AIR.
>LaserBridge is an Extension. Just drop it in your Extensions folder
>and reboot. It is so simple it doesn't even have a control panel.
>Once it's installed, you can see your Localtalk printer and your
>Ethernet printers simultaneously. However, it does have some
>problems you should beware of:

>First, other people on the net can see your Localtalk printer and
>print to it. This could be an advantage or disadvantage depending on
>your needs. If they are depending on being able to print
>to your Localtalk printer, remember that your Mac must be on or they
>can't see your printer.

>Second, you MUST NOT have any Localtalk devices on your Localtalk
>net except printers. If you put a Powerbook on your Localtalk net
>(for example), all hell will break loose (translation: you won't be
>able to print from either Mac, and you won't be able to use the
>Localtalk net to transfer files between them either.) You have to
>reboot your Mac without Laserbridge to use your Localtalk net with
>non-printers on it, and then of course you won't be able to see your
>Ethernet.

>If you can live with this, Laserbridge works fine.

If you want to have both printers and Macs on your LocalTalk segment, then
you need SuperBridge instead of LaserBridge (see my previous posting that
listed all three EtherBridge products).

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:25:05 MST
From: Ajay Surana <IDAZS%ASUACAD.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Looking for MODE32

Hello netters,

	I have a MAC IIcx with 8MB of RAM. I am thinking of upgrading
to 12MB of RAM. I understand that for a MAC IIcx to use > 8MB of RAM
you need a 32-bit memory extension called MODE32, which I believe is
FREE.

	I have not been able to locate a copy of the same at INFO-MAC,
so if anyone has a copy and could post it to the net; It would be great.
If there is another way of getting it, I would be 'all ears'.

	Thanks. Any comments on upgrading the IIcx would be appreciated.

Ajay Surana
Data Administration
Arizona State University
idazs@asuacad.bitnet

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:47 EST
From: WANG%OPUS@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: MacMoney

I use an old version of MacMoney (3.01.01) in a Classic II with System7.0.1
turn up 1.1.1. I never meet any problem and I am very happy to use it.
However,
this version does not work that well in a IIfx or IIci with same kind system.
It crash a lot in IIfx and/or IIci, especially when you try to print out
something from the program, very offen it ends up with frozen.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:45:07 +0100
From: est@lodyc.jussieu.fr
Subject: Mac SE floppy drive problem

Hello!

 A friend of mine has a problem with his Mac SE. When you boot it
it kept saying the same message "This drive is unreadable". And with
the small arrow it shows the floppy drive even if there is nothing
inside. The Mac asks to eject the floppy or to inicialize and failed
of course after.
 Then the Mac says the same thing about an external floppy drive
and there is NO one....!?!
 I tried to boot from a floppy disk, it works until it told me
the same "stupid messages"

 Could someone help? Any Idea??

 I reinstalled the System and it did but when I reboot, there was
still the same message... Disappointing...

 I hope someone can help...

 Feel free to answer me directly to my e-mail address
 est@lodyc.jussieu.fr

 Thank you for any help

  Eric Stevance

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:15:00 GMT-0600
From: nem52463@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Mail Order

Hello again -

Has anybody ever dealt with Bottom Line Distributors, a mail order company
that
advertizes in the back of MacUser and MacWorld?  If so, drop me some e-mail so
I can find out if they're fairly reputable or not - they've got a knock-out
price on the SupraFax v.32bis modem I've been after...

Send replies to n-mickelson@uiuc.edu, and I'll summarize for the digest...

Neil

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:14:26 GMT
From: Stefan Schmiedl <schmied@pentheus.mi.uni-erlangen.de>
Subject: Maple V Student version?

Does anybody know where I can get a student copy of Maple V and how
it compares to the real thing? Is there possibly a email-address
where I can order, maybe even paying using my credit card?

Please reply to my email-address given below.

Stefan Schmiedl
schmied@mi.uni-erlangen.de

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:24:44 PST
From: Les Ferch <ferch@ucs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Microsoft Word 4.0 double pages (A)

>Is there any way to make double pages using MS Word?  I want to print two
>pages (portrait style) on an 11 x 8.5" page and have Word number the
>pages (i.e. pages #1 and #2 will appear side-by-side on one sheet of
>paper).

If you really want pages 1 and 2 side by side, then all you need is a
modified LaserWriter driver that does N-Up printing. This is available for
free by using the software:

   info-mac/util/dmm-lw-56-stuff-131.hqx (for LaserWriter 5 and 6)
   info-mac/util/dmm-lw-7-stuff-131.hqx  (for LaserWriter 7)

However, if you intend to fold this thing, the numbers will be much
different. For example, say you have a 16 page booklet that is printed
double sided. The first sheet would have pages 1 and 16 on one side and
pages 2 and 15 on the other side.

The N-Up LaserWriter driver won't do that for you.

PageMaker 4.2 includes a booklet maker application that can do this
(although I've never tried it). I've also heard that FullWrite
Professional 1.5s will do it. Others such as XPress or Nisus may have such
an option also, but I don't know.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:25:36 +0100
From: rainer@cogpsy.Uni-Trier.DE (Rainer Rothkegel)
Subject: modula for mac (Q)

Is there any shareware modula compiler for the mac?
Where can I ftp it?

Rainer

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:26:53 EST
From: sjoyce@heidelberg.edu (Sean M. Joyce 93)
Subject: NOW Utilities and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem Again (Q)

Well, back again with the same NOW Utilities question.  The problem
in a nutshell:  when I try to use the WYSIWYG Font Menus, my Mac hangs
on startup with the message "WYSIWYG Menus is making sure that its
database is current."  It can sit there for two hours or more, refusing
to do anything.

My configuration?  NOW Utilities 4.0.1, System 7.1, and a IIcx with
8 Mb of RAM.

Solutions I've tried?  Deleting the Preferences file and restarting,
ruling out conflicts with other INITs (I am NOT running Suitcase but
am running what I believe is the proper version of ATM for compatibility
with Sys 7.1), and changing the load order of the WYSIWYG INIT.  Nothing
seems to work.

On some occasions when I've tried to start with WYSIWYG, it gives me
a "This font is damaged" message, so I remove it, restart, and then
proceed successfully to the "...making sure its database is current"
message before hanging again.

I'd appreciate any more suggestions or recommendations on this (thanks
to those who have already offered theirs--I've tried each and every one),
because one of the main reasons I purchased NOW was for the WYSIWYG menus.

Thanks for any help.

  Sean M. Joyce       sjoyce@sparc2.heidelberg.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:24:06 -0500
From: "Steve Marsh"  <marsh2@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: Personal Bomb flame - bucket o' water

Hey, Michael McGuire - cool thy jets. "Personal Bomb" ISN'T a joke?? Please
explain just how it could be harmful. Could it bruise one's fragile ego and
create a negative experiential encounter that could lead to future
repression and emotional impairment of an unwitting mac user??  I can't
imagine any technical harm that it could do, so I can only guess that your
vehemently negative reaction arises from a PC viewpoint, although even in
that light it seems to be unnecessarily harsh. The Personal Bomb is not
gonna get anyone in trouble, even in an airport! By the way, I suggest you
avoid purchasing "Stupid Mac Tricks" and "Son of Stupid Mac Tricks."
Obviously, you have no taste for "stupid tricks," but let the rest of us have
our fun.

- Steve Marsh  "marsh@anvil.nrl.navy.mil"   ;-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:12:19 GMT-0600
From: nem52463@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Personal LaserWriter Upgrades

Hello again -

There have been a couple of posts recently about upgrading the early Personal
LaserWriters.  My suggestion - check out Xante.  I don't have a spec sheet in
front of me, but I think they have a couple logic boards that fit in the
Personal LWs and take them up to 600 x 600 dpi resolution.  I've gotten some
output samples, and they look great.  Look for ads for the Xante
Accel-a-Writer
upgrades in back issues of MacUser and MacWorld.  The boards have gotten
pretty
good reviews.

I'm not an employee of Xante, and I haven'
(oops) haven't seen the product with my own eyes.  Just thought I'd pass this
on...

Neil

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:15:42 +0100
From: ianf@random.se (Ian Feldman)
Subject: Philisophical compression discusssion

  In I-M Digest #272 re: Subject: [*] arsmagna-sit151.hqx
  <LJONES@utkvx.utk.edu> wrote:

> I tried archiving this with Stuffit 1.5.1, 1.6(Classic)
> and Compact Pro 1.33.

>      Results:
>      Compact Pro      122K
>      Stufit 1.5.1     131K
>      Stuffit 1.6      126K

>      I personally prefer Compact Pro. The size difference was so
> small, however, that I used Stuffit 1.5.1. Why? Because it is
> widely distributed, and a lot of communications software (Fetch,
> Downline, etc) will automatically unstuff 1.5.1 archives.

> [Archived as /info-mac/game/ars-magna.hqx; 179K]

Thanks for your effort and the degree of consideration, which has
  not escaped my attention. I wish that more among those submitting
  files to public archives would adopt such human-oriented approach.
  Sadly, most people never think beyond the fact that there is more
  to archive formats than mere compression data-efficiency. Whether
  we like it or not, the Stuffit 1.5.1, although not the most
  efficient, is the ONLY **open**, and the most widely-spread,
  format of those currently in use on the Mac. That means, among
  other things, that it ought to be considered "efficient enough"
  for most public-archiving uses.               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


> I'd like
> to see more communications software support Compact Pro, since it
> has a better interface (IMHO) and often creates smaller archives.

I agree with you that CompactPro is probably be a better choice
  for personal (offline) archiving, for a variety of reasons. Still,
  it is a proprietary, undisclosed format, which has thus far
  prevented people from writing of online (unix/VMS etc) dearchiving
  tools for it.  Indeed, the only Mac-native-compression format for
  which such tools exist today is the Stuffit 1.5.1, the grandson of
  it all (the granddaddy being PackIt! I guess ;-)). They are the
  mcvert, sit and unsit -- for binhexing/debinhexing, stuffing
  (yes! that too) and listing/ whole/ selective unstuffing from
  SIT!-type files respectively.  Such extracted files may then
  easily be downloaded in binary state with ZTerm or other MacBinary-
  cognizant tools.

Sadly, the freeware MacCompress 3.2, written by Lloyd Chambers
  (later author of the DiskDoubler and co-author of the AD), in my
  view superior because of its Unix compatibility, has thus far not
  achieved any significant spread in Macdom.


Taken as a whole I'd venture to say that IF final compressed size
  of something to be sent to a public archive is of AN ISSUE (i.e.
  there is _significant_ difference between usage of some "better"
  format and that of Stuffit 1.5.1) then the most OPTIMAL choice
  of a method would be to:

(a) make sure your still-uncompressed file(s) will fit on 800K
  floppies -- not everybody has a SuperDrive and there is seldom
  a reason why files larger than couldn't be split into smaller
  chunks (max. size 770K) [see more about it at end].

(b) compress all such files using the CompactPro application.
  After Stuffit 1.5.1 it is, probably, the SECOND most-widely spread
  Mac-compression format. Remember your shareware payment! ;-))

(c) now CREATE a Stuffit 1.5.1 archive (NOT Deluxe!) and add those
  already-compressed files there WITHOUT any further compression
  (there is a setting for that in the Prefs box).  This will add a
  22-byte header to all files inside BUT permit having an integral
  README text and otherwise make that --now nominally Stuffit-- file
  EASY to list and/or extract from online after debinhexing with the
  mcvert program.  All that AND max efficiency during transport!

  Let's face it... what's a 22-byte overhead when the result
  will defacto be so much easier to list/extract and process by
  end-users elsewhere?

  ____________________


Addendum:  a **FLAME**, my public first... Ken Fisher, hit "n" now;
  you don't want to read it (it's easier to adopt the ostrich
  position):

  A recently to sumex resubmitted stack-collection of Frederic
  Rinaldi's XCMDs, version 2.0, in themselves each hardly ever over
  20K in size, will not even permit me to view what's inside it, much
  less to open it onto an 800K-floppy. On top of that, the DD SEA
  format used by Ken has severe problems... following the unsuccessful
  attempt to open it onto a floppy, it has now became unreadable...
  another 400-odd KB downloaded to no avail. I _did_ mention that
  problem with DD SEA and final archive sizes to Ken after his
  previous submission in the spring and asked him to choose some
  other method next time around. He agreed with me then but chose
  to disregarded that now.

  Seems strange to me to make the effort to assemble the otherwise
  hard to get XCMDs --in itself a VERY COMMENDABLE action-- and then,
  in effect, lock out those of us that for one reason or another do
  not use a harddisk.


__Ian "harddiskless I now may be; so what?" Feldman

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:34:20 -0500
From: "Steve Marsh"  <marsh2@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: Price Club Powerbooks and other mac stuff

I was back at Price Club in Newington, VA on 11/14 and they still have at
least
a dozen Powerbook 100 4/40 w/external floppy for $899. I forgot to get their
phone # while I was there, and local directory assistance does not have it
either! They DO exist, though, and the store is just off of the Backlick Road
exit of I-95, about 3 miles south of the Washington Beltway. Sorry I can't
seem
to get more contact info, but I'll ask in person next time I'm there.

More interestingly, they also carry a tiny bit of mac software - Print Shop
and
Snooper. The Snooper utility, bundled with Norton Utilities 2.0, is only $75.
This is a lot cheaper than even the mail order company prices that I've seen.
The good news is that a clerk told me that they'll be carrying other macs and
more software soon, probably in January-February. It seems that their prices
may
be about the lowest anywhere. I'll post more info as it becomes available.

- Steve Marsh  "marsh@anvil.nrl.navy.mil"   ;-)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:45:01 +1000
From: Tim.Marples@anu.edu.au
Subject: Printed Circuit Board Qs

A colleague of mine designs printed circuit boards.   He has asked me to
raise 2 questions.

1.      Using the program Protel Easytrax, he can't get the circuit board
holes to print on a laser printer.   Does anyone have any idea why?

2.      Is there a good cheap or PD circuit board program for the Mac?

Tim Marples
Botany & Zoology
Australian Nat Univ
Tim.Marples@anu.edu.au

------------------------------

Date: 16 Nov 92 12:00:50 EST
From: Jim Haupt <76436.2003@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Quadra 950

I hope I am sending this the right way!

I am trying to get a Quadra 950 working on Ethernet.

Here is the situation.  The Quadra can receive data over the network OK (20 to
40 seconds for a 1.5 meg file, same as my IICI).  However it takes the Quadra
6
to 15 MINUTES to transmit that same file! (The CI can transmit that file in 20
to 40 seconds).

Times are taken from dragging the file from the local hard drive to the
remote,
and vice versa.

The Quadra has alternately been an Appleshare 3.0 server, an Appleshare client
and an NFS client.  In ALL cases the quadra reads that data at a 'reasonable'
rate, and in all cases transmits the data extremely slowly.  The IICI works
fine on the same network connection.   This looks to me like the Quadra is
incapable of transmitting data efficiently over ethernet! (no inits).  Is
someone running a Quadra 950 on Ethernet who can prove me wrong?  (Perhaps I
should add that the Quadra seems to perform reasonably on localtalk - this is
only an Ethernet problem.  BTW - all phase 2 ethernet)

My vendor has replaced the Asante friendly net adapter, the system board and
the memory.  They are stumped and have no idea what is wrong.  They even
tested
the network ports that we have tested the Quadra on to make sure that the
problem was not in my network.

I have been trying to get help from Apple's direct support numbers - however
they are refusing to return my calls - the last I heard was that this was a
programming/engineering problem (I was working with the Appleshare support
group).

My vendor has contacted Apples technical departments directly (they copy me on
all the applelinks) and Apple has not been able to respond to them in any
meaningful way (though Apple was only contacted last week by the vendor.  I
have been working with Apple support since JULY with no response).

I have checked some of the local apple users in my area, no one is using a 950
on ethernet.  However the Quadra owners have all warned me that the Quadra is
a
problem machine on networks.

The Quadra is running System 7.0.1, tuneup 1.1.1, Appletalk 57.0.4.  It has 8
megs of RAM and a Quantum hard drive (100 lps).  It is using an Asante
Friendly
net adapter to make the connection to our 10baseT ethernet network.

I would certainly appreciate any information anyone can give me.  Feel free to
email me directly at 76436.2003@@compuserve.com.  I will submit a
summarization
of all information I receive in a week or so.

I really hope that my suspecion of Apple (that they shipped a product with
ethernet that does not work on ethernet) proves groundless.  Of course, what I
really want is to use my Quadra as a file server, which is what I purchased it
for in the first place.

Thanks
Jim Haupt

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:20:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Guy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Quadra Overdrive in Extensions Folder

My experience with placing the VSO control panel into the extensions
folder also shows it can work. I'd add that placing an alias of it also
into the control panels folder doesn't cause it to be found twice during
startup. In other words, it works perfectly fine.

One compatibility hint: Foreign File Exchange likes to load before the VSO
control panel. If you rename the Variable Speed Overdrive with a space at
the beginning but fail to do the same to Foreign File Exchange, your boot
process may not activate all your extensions and control panels.

Guy Kuo [guykuo@u.washington.edu]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:37 EST
From: PC Coordinator <LFINKELSTEIN@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Res-Edit Hack of TeachText.

Having been informed that it is probably in violation of a whole bunch of laws
for me to post an edited version of TeachText, I will just post the
instructions on how to hack it yourself.

Good luck everyone.

(I did not write this.  It was sent to me)

*******

1/ Open (with ResEdit's Hex editor) TeachText's Resource CODE ID=1

2/ Look for the hex string 0001 A887 (at offset 4A8A)
   Change the 0001 to 0002 for new york font
		      0003     geneva
		      0004     monaco
		      0014     times
		      0015     helvetica
		      0016     courier

3/ Look for the hex string 000C A88A (at offset 4A90)
   Change the 000C to 0009 for  9 pts fonts
		      000A     10
		      000C     12
		      000E     14
		      0012     18

4/ Save your changes, that's it

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:06:35 -0800
From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: SAM 3.5 vs. Disinfectant (R)

>     I received a mailing from Symantec offering the new version of SAM (3.5)
>for $39.  I have been using Disinfectant, which of course has the advantage
>of being free (in addition to  having a nifty Monty Pythonesque "About
>Disinfectant..." box!)
>     My question is:  Is there any reason for me to use SAM 3.5 over
>Disinfectant?
>
	I was a test site for SAM 3.5, and one of the original members of
the Disinfectant Working Group, so I don't have any biases here...

	The are only two reasons (IMHO) that SAM 3.5 would be worthwhile to
upgrade to from Disinfectant are: 1) support for Apple events (of course, if
you are still in the dark ages of System 6, that won't do you any good) and
2) the ability to scan for viruses in StuffIt & Compact Pro archives.

	On the other hand, I think the SAM interface is TOO gray for my
tastes (if I had wanted a NeXT, I would have bought one ;), but it is much
improved from previous versions.

------------------------------

Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: TIFFERTG@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: SE/30 monitor problem

	i recently had a new analog board installed into my se/30. since then
i have noticed that every time i choose a menu from the finder or use Now
Menus under the apple icon, the edges of my screen expand.  it does not
seem to occur independent of this menu activity.  i could swear that this
never happened with the old analog board, but the service people claim that
it is just the way se/30's are.

	am i right to be skeptical?  what causes this and how can i get rid
of it?  it's not that i can't use the computer, but after spending a few
hundred for a new board, it should work properly.  i'd appreciate any
pointers all of you might have out there, expecially if you have se/30s
yourself and are or are not experiencing this problem.

	thanks!

	glenn d. tiffert (tiffertg@acfcluster.nyu.edu)

------------------------------

Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: TIFFERTG@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: SE/30 monitor problem II

	this is a followup to my last message.  i have found that the screen
also tends to wobble during intensive hard disk access on my se/30.

	any ideas?

	thanks.

	glenn d. tiffert (tiffertg@acfcluster.nyu.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 03:28:52 -0500
From: Scott E Maxwell <smaxwell@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Selling older software versions - more comments

In my original posting, I said that you buy the rights to use the
program when you "buy" a program.  Phil Ryan had some question then
about the upgrades.  As I understand it, when you buy the program
you buy the rights to use the program with its CURRENT features.
Therefore, if an upgrade comes out that includes new features
you do not have the right to run it because of the new features.
You must "buy" the right to use the new features.  This would
also be consistant with a "bug fix".  In theory, there should be
no new features in a "bug fix" therefore you should not have to
"buy" the rights to use it.  Another way to look at a "bug fix" is
that you were sold a defective product and the manufacture has
an obligation to fix it.  You were sold the rights to use a program
that had certain features, but due to a "bug" one of thos features
was not available to you, therefore you are not able to exercise
full rights that you bought.
The reason the upgrade prices are lower that the original prices
can be attributed to the fact that you already paid for the right to
use the program with a certain set of features.  The amount that you
pay for the upgrade, gives you the right to add the new features to
the features you could already use.  But then again the software
company may just give you a good price on the program because they
realize that you are not going to pay the same price you originally
paid just to get some new features.

I like Alex Hopmann's comparision to Apple's logic board upgrades.
However, it is not really the same.  I believe that you may be able
to keep the old system board.  However the price will go up.  I think
that the dealer gets reimbursed for sending in the old board.  Therefore,
I think you could pay about twice the sum that is listed for the
upgrade but keep the old board, but at that point you may as well
go and buy a new computer.  I also reserve the privilage to be wrong!

Another comment.  Alex also mentions competive upgrades.  I do not
believe that you transfer your rights to the other company.  As I
understand it the company is selling you a new copy of their program
in hopes that they can bite into their competitors market share.  They
are hoping that after you use their program you will switch.  They are
not "buying" your rights to your original program, but selling
you additional rights.

And after all this, if you are still confused, go back to semantics
(this coming from an engineer :-).  You have a software LICENSE.
A license means you are granted certain privilages.  If you have
a driver's license, it means you have been granted the privilage
to drive a car (and as my driver's ed instructor used to say "Driving
IS a privilage, not a right."  ;-).  Therefore, when you buy the
software package, you are in reality buying the license not the
program.  That is another reason the logic board upgrade does not
hit directly on the bullseye (pretty darn close though).  When
you bought your computer you did not buy the right to use it,
you bought the physical item.  It is yours.  Apple has no legal
to enter your home and take it away.  But if you violate a software
license, the software company can legally take away your right to
use the program.  They can not take away the disks or the manuals
but can force you to erase ALL copies of the program including the
copy that came on the original disks.  But enough of my preaching! ;-)

Now it comes time for the good ol' disclaimer!  Since I am not
a lawyer, but just a dumb ol' engineer, I claim the right and
privilage to be wrong in all legal matters.  But I should be
able to design a structure for you!  ;-)

Scott Maxwell
The University of Michigan
smaxwell@engin.umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:50 CST
From: <SWAECHTER%UTMEM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Shareware dictionary?

Does anyone know if there is a shareware dictionary (not just a speller, but
something with definitions) that can be downloaded via ftp?  Respond to me,
and
I'll summarize to the net.  Thanks.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
swaechter@utmem2.utmem.edu (internet)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:50 EST
From: ELIOT@cs.umass.EDU
Subject: Shuttle Pilot

    I've been looking for something like this, but, ouch, $60 seems rather
    steep for what you describe.

    Chris Eliot

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:04:56 -0500
From: mcs2@cornell.edu  (Wagner Truppel)
Subject: SIMMs, FPUs and Printer questions

Greetings fellow netlanders,

I would appreciate receiving some information on three issues:

- Is it possible to install an FPU onto a PB 145?
- How are the SIMM prices behaving these days? I haven't been following the
news for a while...
- Is Apple going to replace the LaserWriter II NTR anytime soon?

Thanks in advance for all the help.

Wagner Truppel
mcs2@cornell.edu

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Date: 17 Nov 92 07:02:03 GMT
From: paul@cthq.UUCP (Paul G. Smith)
Subject: Student HyperCard stack writer wanted

HyperCard SCRIPTERS

New Macintosh software company is looking for talented student
HyperCard scripters to work on demo stack and documentation projects:

1.      PROJECTS:

%       Development of demonstration stacks that show off the power of
	our product, a communications package which works with HyperCard;
%       Development of stacks and scripts which can be added to our
	product as toolds for easier development of communications-capable
	stacks;
%       Enhancement of existing documentation and development of a User
	Guide/Tutorial manual;

2.      QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:

You must be an experienced HyperCard scripter who can demonstrate
through examples of prior work that you can build eye-appealing,
easy-to-use HyperCard stacks; You need some communications experience
with knowledge of terminal/host communications and typical protocols.
 Experience writing MicroPhone and/or White Knight scripts is
advantageous; For the documentation project, demonstrable writing
skills are required; MUST HAVE ACCESS TO A MACINTOSH FOR DEVELOPMENT.

Rate is negotiable on a fixed-fee per project basis, depending upon
skill level.  Hours are flexible and work may be done by the student
at their site with submissions at agreed intervals.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, CONTACT:

Mike Hopkins                            PHONE: (408)253-7199
Full Moon Software                      FAX: (408)252-2378
P.O. Box 700237                         CIS: 70713,2664
San Jose, CA  95170-0237        AppleLink: HOPKINS.MIKE

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Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:03:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "David C. Garrett" <SSA92FAJ12@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject: Trouble downloading from ftp.apple.com

Howdy y'all,

I'm having trouble downloading software from the ftp.apple.com site. Here's
what I do:

Using MacKermit 0.99(97), I log in to the VAX here at school.  (I just plug
one
of the serial cables that would ordinarily go to a terminal into the serial
port of the Mac.)

I then TELNET to my account at Worcester PolyTech (my VAX account has a quota
of only 512 k (grumble, grumble)).  From there, I connect via ftp to
ftp.apple.com and 'get' what I want.

Then I disconnect from ftp.apple.com and start Kermit.  I send the files, and
then go to the MacKermit menu and select "Receive files."  An hour or two
later, it tells me it's done.

I start up StuffIt Lite and choose "Decode BinHex 4."  StuffIt grinds away for
a minute and then tells me, "Resource fork may be damaged - use this file with
caution," followed by, "Data fork may be damaged - use this file with
caution."

At this point I know I've wasted the past hour or so, because even if StuffIt
can then open the archive and unstuff the image, DiskCopy always informs me
that the checksums don't match and the file is corrupted.

Now, this doesn't happen with all the files I try to get.  What I'm after is
all the "System 7.0 for 800k disks" image files.  I got Fonts, Tidbits, and
Disk Tools (after about 3 tries each - quite a while, even at 9600), but then
I
tried "install-1-image.hqx" and kept failing.

Is it possible that the original file is corrupt?  I don't think so, because
the same thing happened the first few times I tried to download the image
files
for Fonts, Tidbits, and Disk Tools, but they all eventually worked.

Am I missing a step here?  Overlooking something?  Or perhaps you don't have a
solution but could, maybe, tell me why it's happening.  In any case, SEND
HELP!

I am not subscribed to the list (remember, my cheesy VAX account quota is only
512 k, and the mailer at the WPI machine is all screwed up) so please respond
directly to SSA92FAJ12@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU and I will summarize to the list if
there is interest.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:12:44 -0500
From: choisje@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Subject: Trouble installing System 7.1

I am having trouble installing System 7.1 over my pre-existing tuned-up
System 7.01.  When I click on the default installation option for my LC II,
it reports that it can not over write protected resources.  I have turned
off all extensions by starting with the shift key down.  I would appreciate
any help.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:44:56 EST
From: Mark Nutter <manutter@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Upgrade to AppleTalk PC software (Q)

One of our departments recently "inherited" a couple AppleTalk PC cards, which
they have installed in Zenith 386/sx's.  Unfortunately, the AppleShare PC
software that comes with the cards seems to be incompatible with the DOS 5.0
that is installed on those machines.  (The installer says, "This machine has
DOS 5.0.  You need DOS 3.1 or later.  Please install the right DOS and re-run
this program.")

Since Apple doesn't seem to make this card any more, does anybody have any
idea
if it's possible to get a more recent, DOS-5-compatible version of the driver
software for it? If so, how?  If not, are these cards worthless?  Thanks.

Mark Nutter
manutter@grove.iup.edu

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 15:12 EST
From: Campy <SYUROFF%ALBION.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Virtual Screens

Hello netters,
	I could swear that I once heard of a program that could be used to
set up a virtual screen for a mac.  I think it came about (the discussion)
by someone trying to run a game made for a 13' on  12', and it didn't fit.
I would like to try out Sample Editor on my Powerbook, but it's too big.
Possibly the virtual screen program could help.  If anyone knows what the
name of this one is and where it is to be found on the archives, I'd
appreciate it if you could tell me...

Thanks in Advance,
Steve.                  SYUROFF@ALBION.BITNET

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 8:05:17 EST
From: James BelBruno (GC-CDSI) <belbruno@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Word5.1 upgrade offer

Hi All!
   I recently received in snail mail, an offer of Microsoft Word 5.1
upgrade for $14.95.  Considering all the greedy dealings going on with
many dealers, i'd just like to know if this offer is worth the purchasing??
Is the gain worth it??   thats all...Thanks
Jim     Picatinny Arsenal, Dover, NJ

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:50 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <LEMKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Word colorizer

Does anyone remember a utility that would edit Word so that you could change
the color of the spaces, paragraph marks, etc.?  I did such thing to my
copy of Word 5 and it was easier to see if they were colored.

Thanks!

-Dwight

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:17:50 +0100
From: "Olaf F. Normann" <Olaf.F.Normann@unimed.sintef.no>
Subject: X11 library on Mac

The subject says it all: does anybofy know if it exist?
either comersial or public domain

Please answer if you know anything about it

Best regards
Olaf F. Normann

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