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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:29:00 EDT
From:         FRANZ&GEORGE <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Golden Words For Today
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Golden Words For Today:
.
_Sheesh.  Why isn't all this automotive business discussed
in alt.cars.lemons or something....  I really miss all the
flaming that used to occur on the list._
.
--ts, in the post "Re: Cars", july 29 1992, when things were
  nice.....
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:58:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Sonnet for Judith
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  Sonnet for Judith
  --------------------------------
  .
  From midst the flow'rs and fruits and flies,
  Our lust for life just flits and dies.
  From twixt the twigs and twirling vines
  Our gusto gasps and gropes and whines.
  .
  From out our throats the plaintive sound
  Of hearts that thump and bleat and pound.
  From neath our breasts the dire lament
  Of plans gone 'skew and spirits spent.
  .
  One hope remains for minds distressed
  One hope that peers from deep defeat.
  One hope that shows its snowy crest.
  .
  Return thou wise thou fine thou sweet;
  Return and all our pains delete;
  Return and be we each each one blessed.
  ---------------------------
  --ggs
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: I *KNOW* WHO YOU ARE

>A week hardly passes that some self-righteous, insecure wordslinger
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>doesn't get upset about something.  Who cares?  Post the results anyway;
>at least they'll be entertaining.  Perhaps we'll even have a couple of
>people threaten to signoff.

     This coinage of Marty's has a robust feel, all the right
     associations, and a marvelous sound when uttered aloud.  I
     intend to start employing it immediately.  Another invention
     of his from today -- "lysteria" (var. listeria), for alarums
     and eruptions on electronic lists -- is less pleasing to the
     eye, ear, and brain, but may catch on anyway.  I will use it
     in moderation, when the context is crystal clear.

     brad
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:26:28 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Speeding
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1992 BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:

> Would you exchange those memories for a 1986 Honda VFR 750?

Throw in a 1988 Honda Hawk 650, any Ducati desmodromic engine, a 1992
Honda CBR 900, any Yamaha V-Max, and my old 1984 Kawasaki GPz550, and
you'd have a deal.

-abh
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:48:56 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: It may be time for me to go...
              6 Oct 1992 19:28:00 GMT from <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

I'll miss you, Jill.  Please try to get an account on Freenet, if you
can, or telnet to a Usenet account.

Evelyn
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      superlurker
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              5 Oct 1992 01:02:18 EDT from
              <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:02:18 EDT Rashmi said:
>_a whole year_ is pretty darned amazing.  I mean, who could read the volume of
>mail this list generates and not say a word. Wow!

probably nothing in that year worth responding to.....

or else she works as an undercover cop/narc/fed/spy and is used to just
watching and listening and keeping her lip zipped.....

dan
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Joan,

>We'd have to know what operating system & mailer you're using to give you
>any help -- best to ask your local system people.

I've decided that the best idea is to go NOMAIL for a while. Will everyone
promise not to write anything intelligible for the next hour or so, while
I catch up on my email?

Carolyn
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From:         "(Graham Toal)" <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      RE: Movie List?
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Last time I tried posting to rec.arts.movies, I discovered it was
moderated, and by a fascist moderator too.

G
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Call for Papers
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well, maybe THIS is the time and place to have the words-l bash sorta
near tokyo....and next summer....and maybe even deductible...   dan
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
****CALL FOR PAPERS ON COMPUTER-MEDIATED COMMUNICATION****

      International Pragmatics Association Conference

                   July 25-30, 1993
                     Kobe, Japan

I am interested in organizing a panel on computer-mediated
communication, with the preliminary title, "Linguistic and
Cultural Aspects of Computer-Mediated Communication."
Papers may deal with private electronic mail, discussion
lists (moderated or unmoderated), or interactive modes like
IRC (Internet Relay Chat) and MuDs (Multi-User Domains).
Ideally, the panel will discuss not only linguistic aspects
of these forms of communication but their implications for
identity, culture and community, or for orality, literacy,
and the history of writing. If it not possible to put together
3-4 papers on CMC alone, the panel might also discuss communi-
cation in other new technologies, such as fax or answering
machines.

Although it is rather late to organize such a panel (the dead-
line is Nov. 1), I have the encouragement of one of the program
committee members, Bruce Fraser, to do so. The very technologies
which we will talk about will make this possible!

Please send abstracts and preliminary suggestions ASAP to *both*

Prof. Brenda Danet             BITNET: kcubd@hujivm1
Dept. of Communication         INTERNET: kcubd@vm1.huji.ac.il
Hebrew University of Jerusalem FAX: 972-2-827069
Mt. Scopus
Jerusalem, Israel 91905

*and*

Prof. Bruce Fraser            BITNET: sed91ln at buacca
School of Education           FAX: 617-353-3924
Boston University

 N.B. I will be in Boston between October 4 and 10, so if at all
 possible please send abstracts and queries to Bruce and me
 during that week, c/o his Bitnet address above, or by fax.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:20:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Aw Sh*t
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That makes me *so* mad that I did that.  Not changing the
header on that last post.....  Dammit!  Signing that post
with my real-virtual name instead of my figmented-virtual
name....  Sh*t.... F*ck...... H*ll....G*sh D*rn...
Now you all know who -*imr is.....  I could just go out
and <shoot> myself.
--#@%
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Model Railroad

: Natalie, basically what you offered Steve was a chance to go out and
: buy a pre-written term paper from some fly-by-night "research" group.

ROFL!  That's an excellent analogy, Chris.  What's your brother been
tying all these years?

Steve Karlson
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: I was going to wait until Christmas, but . . .

I don't suppose it ever occured to you to simply notify the list that
you had a program that animated some screens with Christmas-themed
things, and offer to make it available by private post to people who had
the proper hardware and software, rather than dump the whole thing to
the list?  Fighting entropy, indeed!

Steve Karlson
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
 <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Truth squad (was gleanings)

>                                       He never did get around to
>answering that, did he?
        Join the club, Steve.  I'm still waiting to hear from Alec what
jobs, odd or otherwise, that Bill Clinton had before beco.

JMW
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Brownies and Kitchens and Sharing
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> > Use mine.  Please do.
>
>      Alas, the same problem comes up as hindered Ruth in her search
> for your brownies via Nancy.  A lack of money for transportation.
> Perhaps another time.

Hmmm. If I knew just exactly *which* brownie recipe Nancy was talking
about, I'd send it to Ruth myself.  The Ronin, I'm still working on a
method to get my kitchen to you, however.
BTW, I must have missed the post to which you are referring; did Nancy the
Mild tell Ruth she had to come to Texas to get the recipe?
Doris
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (61)

Graham Toal raises Tubal Cain:

> the masons' claim to great antiquity is totally bogus.  Egyptians indeed.

Well, the Shriners are Masons of great antiquity, anyway, and they
present a respectable circus.

> G

We'll have to worry when he starts signing off with

 / /
 X GX
/ / 

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:16:41 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      The New Yorker
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Nobody has mentioned Tina Brown's first issue of The New Yorker, which
hit the stands and mailboxes this week.   Many changes, subtle and not
so.  I am going to have to relearn how to read it.  Anybody notice how
different the text face is?  Look at the tail on the Q in the big
showpiece article on Brett Coleman Kimberlin -- it slaps you in the
face.

brad
From: rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
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Date: 2 Oct 92 19:02:26 GMT
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              92 2:57 pm

> >BTW I voted for you as list dad
>
> What??????????????    I am heartbroken and speechless!!!!!!!!!
>
> Don, saddened beyond words..........

	But, Ken *is* my list dad!  He's the one who <brought me into>
this <world>.  Don't worry, JM -- I voted for you as "dullest" just for
old-times sake!

Rita
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:53:56 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Okay, I give.
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Will somebody please tell me what happened on EAT-L?  I've been sick (I
relapsed) and missed all the interesting News of The Day.

Karen
who hopes to have some interesting Wordsler tales to tell when she
gets back from LA.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:19:48 EDT
From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: still a loser
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              Oct 6, 92 12:13 pm

>
> >  I'd prefer to *drive* them away instead of purging them. ;-)
>
>         Merely ignoring them will probably work better. As my first
> teaching mentor correctly noted, "If you begin to argue with an adolescent,
> you've already *lost* the argument."

Geez, I did have a smiley thingey up there.  Was making a *joke*, my point
was that they shouldn't be quiet deleted.  Of course, if they didn't want
to stay, that would be all right.

> >As Marty said, whatever happened to "where the weak are killed and eaten?"
>
>         Must there be *list predators* to satisfy the intellectual blood
> lust of a few? Perhaps the L-lions could just sit lie down for a bit among
> the L-lambs. More gregarious, at least.

See above.

> Clint
rashmi


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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Mama Judith
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>	I, for one, thought the contest was an absolute piss!
>
>	I think words-l has forgotten how to laugh at itself (I trace
>the problem back to when it was decided how "nice" we all were -- what
>an icky word!).
>
>
>Rita

There are differences between niceness, laughing at yourself, and a
pointless game which amounts to some of you walking your wits by
slicing each other up.  All in fun, you understand....  No, the
participants in this vicious little exercise were not necessarily
laughing at themselves: in some cases, they were making judgments
about each other.

I remember the one about "dullest life: Natalie Maynor."  Whoever
wrote it: how fucking dare you??  Where does ANYONE here get off
judging someone else's life, someone they may have met AT MOST for a
few days in the Providence Fishtank, and whom they THINK they know
based on postings?  That's not just Natalie, that's anyone.

Contests like this bring out the worst in people: the willingness to
judge, mock instead of criticize, and show off implicitly how
wonderful (generic) you are by comparison.  Yeah, right....  Based on
a few of the better Bake stories I heard, a few of you would be hard
put to be critical of other people for the quality of their lives.

Nice is not the issue.  I'm real nice when I want to be.  The
difference is I don't need a contest to hide behind to tell people I
think less of them than I think of myself.  I can just tell them to
their faces-- virtual or flesh--that they are assholes.

Ken
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Subject:      Re: i may have been sleeping

Greetings,

There was a scathingly entertaining review of this book a couple of months
ago in The Nation (I can find a citation, if need be).  I haven't seen
the book yet (which is to say, I don't think it's come to the library yet,
and I have no intention of adding to the wealth of that royalist, papist
snob Bill Buckley (if only the people on food stamps wouldn't rob from us
rich folks we could all have bigger yachts and drink more liquor as we
sail the south Pacific; the poor you will have always with you, so you might
as well enjoy trodding upon them).  I occasionally watch Buckley; it
astonishes me that so many people consider him an astute thinker.  His
political ideas were pretty trendy during the feudal era, and his notion of
how democracies are supposed to work is closer in spirit to the
authoritarian regimes of folks like Stalin and Franco than to anything
I see when I look at the Constitution (a document Buckley seems totally
unfamiliar with).

The gist of the Nation review was that Buckley sought arduously for any
signs of antisemitism in the US and couldn't find any.  This from a fellow
who last week on his show argued that blacks have prospered under the
Reagan and Bush administrations.  Buckley reminds of the fellow I heard
on a radio talk show last week when I was driving to Louisville.  The
caller was a physician.  Speaking on the topic of health insurance, he
said (this is true): "I don't believe all these figures about people
without health insurance.  I have hundreds of patients, and all of them
have insurance."

Marty
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (61)
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1992, Graham Toal wrote:

> > Synonym for Witch.  In this context, it refers to someone who 1)worships
> > pre-Christian deities of European or Greek origin, 2) has an affinity or
> > attunement with nature and observes holidays based on the harvest
> > festivals of Celtic and Germanic Europe, 3) practices occult arts such as
> > astrology, divination, or magic.  It does *not* refer to someone who
> > believes in or worships Satan.
>
> 4) A bunch of white middle-class wannabees inventing some new-age games
> with no relation to any historical practices all trying to out-cool each
> other.

Sometimes, but not always true.  There are plenty of people who do not
fall within that category, just like there are plenty of us pagans who do
not call themselves Wiccan, thank you very much.  And unless you know the
person in question, you have no bloody idea whether s/he has any
historical basis for what s/he is doing.  So bugger off.

> Just as nutty as Christians.

That I'll grant you, if it's nutty to be religious.  Just for the record,
I believe in the Goddess, in faeries, and in magic, all of which is about
as logical as believing in God, in angels, and in the power of prayer.  No
one ever said that spirtuality was supposed to be logical.

> G

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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              05 Oct 92 22:48:00 -0400. <9210060250.AA16473@sics.se>

  >I hope no one out there is taken this VMI stuff seriously.  These
  >new posters are obviously <figments> or <phantoms> of somebody's
  >imagination.

  I think it's quite salutary for us to realize that all sorts of
people may be listening in on our conversations. Of course, the VMI
people seem to come to us straight out of some peculiar US Marine
buddy movie, and it's nice not to have to take them seriously since
they are not actually poking their machine guns in one's face, but
there are also people out there reading who may well be more sinister.
Graham, as we know, imagines these faceless creatures as bringers of
woe and terrorist phone calls. I think of them, rather, as people who
read my postings with a merciless and penetrating eye.
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Date: 5 Oct 92 16:04:04 GMT
Organization: Current Science Tel: +44 71 323 0323 Fax: +44 71 580 1938
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:36:02 GMT, "(Peter Flynn)" <pflynn@CURIA.UCC.IE> wrote:
> Has anyone any idea where the term "shell suit" originated and why?
> (They're those tacky shiny thin anorak-cum-pants suits).

Yay!  Another one!

Welcome :-)

G
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tushar's Test
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On Sat, 3 Oct 1992, (Graham Toal) wrote:

> In article <9210030045.AA15643@dent.uchicago.edu> tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
> writes:
> >I am snobbish enough to believe that decieving people by faking addresses
>
> Why do men spell so badly?
>
> G

Oof! Not *all* men, just <certain> men.

-abh
wonderfully sexist remark, GT, you're catching on quickly
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      "30 September"

Well, I see some simularity with certain people's writing styles, however, I
would never tell so many personal details.   Do I need a smiley here?

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (61)
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On Wed, 30 Sep 1992, Gilbert Smith wrote:

> > historical basis for what s/he is doing.  So bugger off.
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Well I never.  Where did you learn to talk like this, young lady.

Why, from all those Monty Python routines I'm such a big fan of (doncha
like how I tied all this together?).

> You can be sure that this will be reported <posthaste> to your
> mother, who would not approve of this kind of language.

Ask her where I learned the word shit sometime... :)

> --ggs (that's *Uncle* ggs to you...)

Yes sir.

-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
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