From: overman@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Ed Overman)
Subject: Pete Faust ADMITS TWICE Mermelstein sued IHR and won!
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:45:19 GMT


WOW, a new post from Pete "Stinky" Faust (or "Armpit" for short)!!!!!
However, on closer perusal it is simply a repeat of last week's article
with one additional paragraph tacked on:

> From: pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust)
> Date: 8 Apr 92 17:05:51 GMT
> 
> Don't continue to lie and call names.  Fulfill one of the
> rerquirements and you will receive the $50,000.00.  This is
> no idle offer.

Since I suspect that "Armpit" (see below for how I came up with this
nickname) is referring to me I would like to reply to it.  First of all,
the net-Nazis cannot even manage to wait a week now before reposting their
articles.  THIS IS GETTING AWFULLY BORING FOR EVERYONE ON THE NET.  I at
least can apologize to the readers of this newsgroup for again replying to
your article - but I think it is necessary to reply to every lie that comes
from this group.  I ALSO CAN ADD FACTS WHEN I REPOST - as I am doing now.
So Pete "how about a new fact".  This short quote is taken from a court
hearing of January 10, 1991 presided over by the Hon. Stephen O'Neil where
he reaffirms the existence of the Holocaust:

MR. HULSY (lawyer for defendant/responding party):
     All right.
     Well, I don't suppose I'm going to change the court's mind; but when
you look at things like the number of moons around Jupiter, we pull out an
old Encyclopedia Britannica, and they'll have a statement, very factual,
about what they knew at that time.  This is - there's been developments in
the last ten years, since this was last looked at by the court; and the
historians are still pondering over this area.
     It was our - my feeling is that it's too controversial - it's a jury
matter, but I really don't have any new case.
THE COURT:
     Well -
MR. HULSY:
     - I thought that the -
THE COURT:
     - more important than a new case, how about a new fact?

I repeat: "how about a new fact".  You have not disputed any of the facts I
presented in my previous post (which is reproduced in its entirety below).
You also managed to avoid stating EXACTLY WHO is making this offer.  Are
you afraid that Mermelstein might apply again AND WIN AGAIN?

So I repeat: "ARMPIT", HOW ABOUT A NEW FACT.

(I must admit that I did take some poetic license at the end of my previous
post.  I just couldn't contain myself after your pathetic attempt at
literary persuasion.  However, I did manage to include facts even in this
diatribe against you, namely that you included Austrians in your list and
that you managed to avoid naming any Jews.  Any particular reason why?)

If anyone wants to read about the Holocaust, Mel Mermelstein has written an
autobiography "By Bread Alone, The Story of A-4685" (ISBN 0-9606534-0-6)
and it can be ordered from:
  Auschwitz Study Foundation, Inc.
  7422 Cedar Street, P.O. Box 2232
  Huntington Beach, CA  92647
  (213)592-5558 or (714)848-1101 .
(Contributions to this foundation are tax-deductible.)


                          First the Nazis went after the Jews,
                            but I was not a Jew,
                              so I did not object.
                          Then they went after the Catholics,
                            but I was not a Catholic,
                              so I did not object.
                          Then they went after the Trade-Unionists,
                            but I was not a Trade-Unionist,
                              so I did not object.
                          Then they came after me,
                            and there was no one left to object.
                          (Pastor Martin Niemoller - a German Theologian)


    ***** *****         Repost of my previous article         ***** *****


       HALLELUJAH!!!!! Pete Faust ADMITS Mermelstein sued IHR and won!

Well, you actually have to read between the lines a little.  Pete can barely
manage to admit that it happened - but he did:

> From: pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust)
> Date: 4 Apr 92 20:56:05 GMT
>  
> At least one person, I have learned, tried to earn the
> $50,000.00.  After two weeks his attorney, looking into the
> facts and televising possibilities, informed him he had
> better forget about it.  The person was not Mermelstein.
>  
> Don't be fooled.  Mermelstein lost in his second court
> appearance, nullifying the First Farce.  The last thing the
> Exterminationists want is the Nitty-Gritty of the Gassings
> Hoax made public.

What happened at the first lawsuit?  
   1)  Mr. Mermelstein wrote a letter to the Jerusalem Post attacking the
       "revisionists";
   2)  the IHR wrote him a letter offering him $50,000 for proof "that Jews
       were  gassed in gas-chambers at Auschwitz";
   3)  he provided proof;
   4)  the IHR refused to pay;
   5)  he sued them;
   6)  the court said that he had provided proof;
   7)  the IHR et al paid him $90,000 and apologized.

This certainly was "the First Farce" - on the IHR's side.  It probably IS
true that no one has won $50,000 from the IHR - Mermelstein won $90,000.  In
addition the court ruled that the Holocaust really happened!  The Honorable
Thomas T. Johnson, on October 9, 1981, took judicial notice as follows:
  "Under Evidence Code Section 452(h), this court does take judicial
  notice of the fact that Jews were gassed to death at the Auschwitz
  Concentration Camp in Poland during the summer of 1944" and "It just simply
  is a fact that falls within the definition of Evidence Code Section 452(h).
  It is not reasonably subject to dispute.  And it is capable of immediate
  and accurate determination by resort to sources of reasonably indisputable
  accuracy.  It is simply a fact."
So far no one has managed to explain how this "Farce" happened.  Why did all
the following:
  LIBERTY LOBBY, WILLIS CARTO, ELISABETH CARTO, LEGION FOR
  SURVIVAL OF FREEDOM, INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW, and NOONTIDE PRESS
pay Mermelstein $90,000 and sign "a Letter of Apology to Mel Mermelstein" as
follows:
  Each of the answering defendants do hereby officially and formally
  apologize to Mr. Mel Mermelstein, a survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau and
  Buchenwald, and all other survivors of Auschwitz for the pain, anguish and
  suffering he and all other Auschwitz survivors have sustained relating to
  the $50,000 reward offer for proof that "Jews were gassed in gas chambers at
  Auschwitz".
If they cannot come up with any plausible excuses they are free to use any of
the following:
     1.  We can't read so we didn't understand what we were signing.
     2.  We CAN read but the documents were too long and we got confused.
     3.  We CAN read and we can even read these documents - but we didn't -
         because of a Zionist Conspiracy. They hung a picture of Adolf Hitler,
         our beloved Fuhrer, on the wall and, while we were slobbering all
         over it, they told us this was an order for 10,000 more copies of
         Mein Kampf.
     4.  Our lawyers lied to us.  They are actually members of the Zionist
         Conspiracy and they told us it was a order to get all our sheets
         cleaned at the laundry.
     5.  Our little fuhrer, Willis Carto, is sometimes a dummkopf and a
         coward.  He got scared that he would be bankrupted if he lost
         the case and so he weaseled out.  Our beloved Fuhrer, Adolf,
         would NEVER have done anything like that.  Adolf never retreated -
         he only attacked (the Rhineland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland,
         Denmark, Norway, France, Russia, etc.).
     6.  It only LOOKS like we paid out the money because the court
         decided that Mermelstein met the conditions of our offer.
         Actually, WE never agreed that he met our conditions (only the
         court did).  We actually paid him $90,000 because ..., because ...,
         because ..., because ..., BECAUSE IT WAS ALL A WORLDWIDE ZIONIST
         CONSPIRACY!!!!!

Mermelstein has, so far, lost his second lawsuit.  He sued them for 11
million dollars for defamation of character, etc.  Since he is a public
figure it is very difficult to prove any of this - but at least he tried.
During this lawsuit the court AGAIN affirmed that the Holocaust happened!
The judge, the Hon. Stephen O'Neil this time, affirmed the judicial notice
with the statement that "it is just not disputable."  He also said:
     THE COURT:  Well, there's also a society in England, I believe, called
     the Flat Earth Society.
     MR. HULSY (lawyer for defendant/responding party):  True.
     THE COURT:  So, I mean, some people may not want to take Caribbean
     cruises for fear of falling off the end of the earth - you know.  But
     reasonably indisputably accurate, I'd say the earth is a sphere.
     I mean - you know - how far are we going to carry this?

Finally, I agree that any attorney would advise against trying for the
$50,000.  Mermelstein provided his proof in 1981; he sued the IHR in 1981;
the judge accepted his proof in 1981; but he did not collect any money until
1985.  You had better be independently wealthy to attempt to "earn the
$50,000.00."  You also may have trouble finding out EXACTLY WHO is making
this offer.  Pete and Ralphie have managed to avoid this small detail in all
their articles.

Pete also seems to have literary pretentions:

> From: pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust)
> Date: 3 Apr 92 18:19:36 GMT
>
>                   SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE
>  
>      Germans and we of German descent are sons and daughters
> of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Haydn,
> Handel, Humperdinck, Johann and Richard Strauss, Berg,
> Webern, Hindemith, Schnittke, Goethe, Schiller, Kant, Hegel,
> Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, ad infinitum.  We have not gassed (a
> new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
> people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
> (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
> ARM OF HISTORY.
>  
>                     IT'S THAT SIMPLE

He, like his Fuhrer, manages to leave Jews out of his list.  He also, as has
been mentioned in other articles, includes a number of Austrians rather than
Germans in his list - but, again like his Fuhrer, probably because he does
not realize that there is a distinction between the two.

But that isn't the reason I included this quote.  No, it's the phrase
"ensnared by THE UNTIRING ARM OF HISTORY" that I find appealing.  Because,
after all, this phrase means absolutely NOTHING but it has some sort of a
ring to it - just like all of the net-Nazis' postings.  So I would like to
give this phrase a little more pizzazz:
  Pete and Ralphie and their neo-Nazi buddies are trying to ensnare the
  world in THEIR STINKING ARMPIT OF HISTORY.
I think this has a nice ring to it and I must give credit where it is due,
namely to Pete "Stinky" Faust (or "Armpit", for short).
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