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From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:31:04 GMT
	<1992Aug18.153210.3746@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
	<1992Aug18.202604.11806@wuecl.wustl.edu>
	<1992Aug18.224540.29725@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
	<1992Aug19.163136.8462@bnr.ca>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug19.163136.8462@bnr.ca> ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi) writes:

 @And to those who criticize Zafar for posting his opinions to the Iranian
 @newsgroup,  I have this to say.  Please have mercy on this poor guy.  After
 @all, he has no other FUN place to go to.

He has every right to post to soc.culture.iranian. I think we should welcome
input from non-Iranians. He is not a "poor guy" and does not need anybody's
mercy. Please continue posting, Zafar.
     
  Farzin Mokhtarian
  farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:53:07 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug15.192246.6077@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no writes:

 @				  Iran and Spain
 @
 @the event. They have finely used their cultural heritage, their music and
 @their fine climate to advertise for their country. The revenue from the
 @50 million tourists visiting Spain each year is around 50 billion dollars 
 @yearly or 3 times more than 17.5 billion dollars Iran earns each year from
 @oil. Spain has used this money to build up modern infrastructure and from 
 @almost the same starting point (comparable in 70s in the term of GNP), Spain
 @and Iran have gone different ways.
   
50 million tourists each year?! Maybe. I wonder how quickly that would
destroy infrastructure in Spain.
             
 @                                   In the openning ceremony Iran was the 
 @only country who did not let a woman to carry its flag. This made the 
 @Scandinavian womanTV commentator very angry.
  
What a terrible shame!

@ Spain discovered the west while we lost it!
   
I wonder how quickly AIDS is spreading in Spain. Do you have numbers on
that too?
   
 - Farzin
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.153210.3746@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>                                                            ...  If Mr. Kambiz
> did not like the idea that a woman commentator was not allowed to carry a flag
> it does not mean that all or even most or even a large minority of the Iranian
> culture is bad, all it means is that there are somethings that need to be 
> changed. ...
> 
> 
> zafar
> 

I checked soc.culture.pakistan as far as I could, and I found only one article
by Zafar.
I am puzzled dear Zafar, while you are from Pakistan, you are not active in
your own newsgroup, but you are so much interested in Iran and Iranian culture
and you care about us and try to "change something" in our culture !!!
Could you tell me what's the secret of that?
Thanks.

Seyyed.
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Aug13.075532.10420@eua.ericsson.se>,
euaamt@eua.ericsson.se (Amir.Taheri) writes:
> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >So far I have posted a couple of articles in which I summarized
> >the highlights of Kayhan Havaii. This should have given people
> >a taste of the kind of news it has. I like to continue ONLY IF
> >there is sufficient interest out there to justify the effort.
> >That is why I am asking people to let me know whether they are
> >interested in reading those summaries (that is all, you are
> >NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
> >interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
> >can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. If you are
> >not interested, please do not post a reply at all (negative
> >replies will be ignored anyway since those people can simply
> >skip to the next article). 
> >      
> >So, here we go ...
> >    
> > - Farzin
> >   
> 
> 
> I have a great interest to follow the news from Keyhan. The
> business of believing in the news published in Keyhan is
> very personal.
> 
> Amir.
> 

Count me in too. Along the same line of thought as Amir expresses, apart
from being a source of news, a newspaper or radio station is a window
into the minds of those who produce the material conveyed. I used to
hate the VOA because I thought it was just a heap of propaganda (my
first exposure was in the mid '70s when jang-e sard propaganda was the
big thing) but I find myself listening more often because I want to know
what the U.S. government thinks (there is nothing analogous which is
produced for consumption by American citizens!).

Brad
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 17:05:58 EDT
From: Kayvon Z. Sadeghi <KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject:    Re: stanford.edu

thank you all for your messages; believe me, now I have access to
tehran.stanford.edu
thanks alot, again.

k1
---
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KAYVON Z. SADEGHI                  K.SADEGHI@IEEE.ORG
VOICE: 202/244-0789


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bhushan@fmiapd.com (Bhushan Kerur)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:15:27 GMT

TEST TEST TEST
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: iran third ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:04:57 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

i don't know why i am in this newsgroup but i have seen
something wrong :
==========================================
    Country        Gld Slv Bro   Tot. pts
------------------------------------------
 1. Unified Team    3   2   2       77
 2. United States   3   2   1       75
 3. Iran            0   1   2       51
 4. Turkey          0   1   1       48
 5. South Korea     1   1   0       44
 6. Bulgaria        0   1   1       34
  . Germany         0   1   0       34
 8. North Korea     2   0   1       28
 9. Cuba            1   0   1       27
    Canada          0   1   0       27
11. Poland          0   0   0       16
12. Mongolia        0   0   0       15
13. Japan           0   0   1       13
    Romania         0   0   0       13
==========================================


As a matter of fact a country which win one gold medal is better than
another win 25 silver medals and 145 bronze medals !

the ranking is 

1. Unified Team    3   2   2       77
2. United States   3   2   1       75
8. North Korea     2   0   1       28
5. South Korea     1   1   0       44
9. Cuba            1   0   1       27
3. Iran            0   1   2       51
 
and so on ....  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Iranian Men
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:08:01 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug10.130351.13710@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>As an American, it is strange to see some Iranian men going through the kind
>of self doubt that this era often makes American men feel with respect to

	<Lines deleted>
>
>But anyway, an American might have done the same, there are a lot of bozos in
>the world.  Do any of you think this is typical treatment of Iranian women by
>Iranian men?  My wife thinks that Americans are *more* sexist that
>Iranians--citing the fact that Iran has an "ERA" law (equal work for equal
>pay).  On the other hand, American women don't have to cover their heads when
>they go buy groceries...


How very narrow minded of your sister-in-law to base her feelings
toward her fellow countrymen on one particular case. I have seen more
domestic violence (wife beating, child abuse, etc...) in this country
that any other place that I have lived (4 countries in all). One
should marry any person that one finds compatible, regardless of their
nationality. 

The reason American women have an easier time when it comes to
relationships is that they have managed to stop caring what other
people think about them. That in my book is admirable. However, many Iranian
women, while very much caring what other Iranians think of them, would
like to enjoy the same freedoms. In other words they want to have
their cake and eat it too (ham khoda ro mikhan ham khormaro). If you
really want to live the Western lifestyle, do so. Stop giving a hoot
what Shamsy khanoom or so and so khanoom say about you. Screw them.
Its your life; live it the way you want it. But if you choose to care
about things like that, which unfortunately happen to be part of the
Iranian culture, then stop blaming others for it. Making statements
such as Iranian men are insensitive, or what not, is pure horse
manure. There are all sorts of men all over the world. The problem is
you yourselves. I presently live with a half Iranian half British
girl. People that we don't even know are talking about us, but who
cares. No custom is written in stone, and if its stupid one should try
to change it. What you do with your life is your business. Live by
that rule, and you'll see Iranian men are more like other men that you
thought.


Payandeh Baad Iran (including its men and women)
Alireza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:49:46 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 . . .
>NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
>interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
>can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. 
 . . .
>So, here we go ...

I am interested (clearly :-)). So post away both the good news and the
bad news. After all, KH is FS's Bible, is it not? :-).

> - Farzin

Take care for now, --df
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7024 soc.culture.pakistan:13557
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 16:56:59 EDT
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Stop the cross posting

 <11AUG199202141573@numep2.phys.nwu.edu> <1992Aug11.083835.4717@wam.umd.edu>
 <413@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP>

From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Subject: Re: Stop the cross posting
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew Int'l Ltd., Tokyo
                       _______________________________

In article <413@ub-tky.ubspd.co.jp> Bach Frederic writes:


>In article <1992Aug11.083835.4717@wam.umd.edu> endevour@wam.umd.edu (...)
>writes:

>who gives a shit : stop the cross-postings.
>--
>*  __  _  *    Fred "I'll be" Bach  (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic))
>* ||_ /_| *                                             (Tel. : 813-3597-1595)
>* || /__| *    Arnold, who are you going to be when you grow up ? I'll be Bach
>*         *                Je suis athee, Dieu merci. -B. Bach
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


What is this awful smell lingering around you Fred Bach? Ahhh..it's nauseating!

The joke's on you Bach.

You didn't have to sign on....but you did!
You didn't have to access that group....but you did!
You didn't have to read that article....but you did!
You didn't have to take the time to react....but you did!
You didn't have to be so obnoxious with your stinky comment....but you are!

In other words...YOU gave a shit....and that explains the stink.


          ----------                                       ---------
                     La merde te va bien Frederic Bach             
              Tu peux meme la trouver en differentes couleures     
          ----------                                       ---------
From: rooholam@point.cs.uwm.edu (Mo Rooholamini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Maofi (addition)
Keywords: moafi
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:12:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee


In reference to recent postings about Moafi, in fact the fee ranging
from  US $2,400-$16,000 (or  equivalent Rial based on $1=140 Toman),
where more educated pays more, is correct.  BUT,  that is for people 
who were and currently are in Iran and didn't serve in the military.
For people overseas, who  want to go back now, still the same fee as 
before is charged [what ever it was.   I guess ~$5000 for 3-year and 
~$16000 for permanent moafi, regardless of education]. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Mosalman shodane Buchanan
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:52:13 GMT


>mesle inkeh dishab bA khayyAm hampiyAle boodi!
>It was ME, not Ali who wrote about Shari'a law! And I didn't say Khakhaali
>must decide or judge. But he is very famous for his swift hand in execution.
>I quoted him, maybe you understand what I mean, a useless try.

> Sayyed
                                           
My appologoies to Ali for mistaking you and him. Actually there
is not that much difference. You have forgotten the "l" in 
Khalkhali. You may mean Kharkhaki (for you who have become so pricky).
About the use of "va" check your grammer book for common mistakes. 
You have many of them.

                                    Kambiz
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:19:08 GMT

In <1992Aug19.190105.24396@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

>Babak writes:
>***
>I just red this discussion about Baghdad.  It makes sense that Baghdad has
>a Persian root and comes from Bagh-Dad meaning garden of justice. That is:

>Bagh = Garden
>Dad  = Justice
>***


>Are you sure about this? Baghdad is pronounced "Bagh-dAd" and not
>"BAgh-dAd", is it not?

>         |      *
>      \  |  \   _
>     __| | __| |__|_|
>              /    *
>             |
>              \_

>not

>         |      * |
>      \  |  \   _ |
>     __| | __| |_ |_|
>              /    *
>             |
>              \_
>          

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

It is very usual in Persian, like Gospand and Gosfand, Hami-ravad and
mi-ravad. By the way in some western dialacts bagh is used instead of BAgh.
Iranian, like any other people in the world including Americans, like to make
the words shorter and easier to speak.  Even we in Tehran call ourselves
Tehroni, not the correct Persian Tehrani.

                     With highest regards,
                          Babak   Sehari.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Azad University
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:42:07 GMT

ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:

>In article <BszB4p.4tL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes...
>>>Then class becomes like a dukkaan-baghghaali. You pay money for a service.
>>>and the instructor becomes more like a dureh-gard going from one city
>>>and school to another to repeat the same thing.
>>
>>Hi Ala,
>>
>>As I remember, people who go to Azad university don't get an official
>>degree. Would you know if that is still the case?
>>

Well, in fact someone asked this question.  Contrary to the initial
objectives of Azad university which was supposed to be degree free
IAU now offers official degrees.  The degrees are now accepted for
getting jobs in the government agencies but other universities do not
accept it for graduate studies.  Jaasbi said that they are trying to
make universities change their policy.  Since IAU is a very good
BUSINESS for the owners I am sure this PROBLEM will soon be solved.
I have heard that most U.S. universities do not recognize their degree
either.


>>And would you know how much the cuurent tutions are?
>>

Sorry, I do not.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Language and swearing...
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:31:46 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Bss8pt.2n3@acsu.buffalo.edu> bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.175943.27886@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter
>Capell) writes: 
>>
>>I have not yet found anyone who can tell me the proper use of "ra" as in:
>>
>>		|,  (re alef)
>>
>>Even my farsi teacher can't tell me.  ...just like I can't tell Nahid when to
>>use "the" or not.  The number of places and exceptions is numerous.  Any hints
>>anybody?
>
>Hmmm... The most common place that I can think of where 'raa' is used
>is after an object in the sentence. 
>
>Assuming the following simple structure of a sentence in Farsi:
>
>[subject] [object] [verb]
>
>it should easy to remember to put the 'raa' after the object. 
>
>eg:
>	man to raa deedam.			[I saw you.]
>	parandeh raa deedee?			[did you see the bird?]
>	mashghat raa bokon!			[do your homework!]
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This last example could also be translated as "fucken" you homework,
not to be mixed up with "fucken" up your homework which is "mashghat ra
bala bokon!". I hope this has confused you further. :)


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Mosalman shodane Buchanan
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:49:05 GMT


                  Mosalman shodane Hazrate Buchanan

As Obeyd Zakani said
Gorbe Shod Zahed o Mosalmana


Ali Eslami who is a Sharia law supporter, turned out to be a republican
Buchanan supporter too. I remember when Bush called Iranians a terrorist
nation and I do not know if there has been any smell of roses in the
middle east (as Ali smells it) these years republicans have been in charge.
What I have smelled is the smell of gun powder. Ali is so exited about
Buchanan that he could have claimed that even prophet Mohammad would vote
for such a niiiiice christian, if he was alive. Babak who also has difficulty
to see any other color than black and white, calls democrats as communists
in disguise. Jalalkhalagh that America has been communists now and then and
Soviets didn't know that. If Stalin only knew that comrade Truman (the spell
is maybe wrong for the pricky ones) was a communist or Khrutchev knew that 
comrade Kennedy was communist, the world had no crisis like the Cuban crisis or
the cold war. Afsus (pity), pity that these intelligent people are going free! 
I understand people like Ala who take wrongly Antiwesternism for 
AntiImperialism, but these people should be either one of the many sons
of King Fahd or the sons of a rich MohTakere haji bazari.
Pat Buchanan called Nicaragua, that dirty little country and praised the
attack of U.S. on Granada. I wonder how these two guys can then explain
Iranian governments very friendly relations with Sandinists and the hard
reaction of Iran against what they called American aggression in Granada.
I have not seen these two guys criticize IRI. It is then better that
"Shoma MozeEtan ra Moshakhas karde va royash Pafeshari nemayid". Was
IRI right or wrong. Maybe they are communists too without knowing that.
Ali who in the discussion on Sharia law said that it should be up to
Khalkhali and not us to decide on murderers does not know that "Salahiate
Khalkhali, Hadi Ghafari va gheyr Braye dore baAdie Majlis TaAyid nashod
va Anham be Elate Fesad". And these nice guys have been under investigations
and only with the threat of revealing some other facts have been able to
overhaul the process. I am sure that Pat Buchanan is the same sort. So
much for their moralism.

                                            Kambiz
  







Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: Another look at plane shooting over the gulf
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.192025.6683@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org () writes...
>In article <BszFoK.7CB@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>>I just heard something very interesting about the shooting down of the
>>airplane over gulf. I was told that there was another military plane over
>>the passenger plane on a mission on US navies. The military plane was right
>>above the passenger plane so the radar couldn't trace it and the passenger
>>plane was warnned by US navy a few times to change direction. So does this
>>mean that Iran is responslible for 290 death of innocent people ?
>>
>>Any supportive or anti comments??
> 
>	What was your source for this?  There has been a lot of discussion
>	in the Naval press recently and there was no mention of this.
> 
>	When the plane was shot down, the radar echo of the rider plane
>	should have become clear.  There doesn't seem to have been a
>	mention of this.
> 
>	I'm inclined to go for the original awful mistake theory.
> 
>	Alec Chambers. 

Dear friend;

I didn't answer to this article because I didn't think anyone going to 
believe this garbage. It seems like the article from National Enquirer.
By working on the radar system which is used on these kind of ship; I will 
say it's absolutely imposible not to dedect the military plane especially
during take off.

Sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami

 ***************************************************************         
 *  What we call the ills of life is due to our own ill-deeds  *
 *  And many of them are forgiven by god. This life is a stage *
 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
 *  the best way to do it so. On god rely; else no protector   *
 *  will you find. God revelation comes as a guide and mercy:  *
 *  It shows the straight way the way of god all-wise.         *
 *************************************************************** 

Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Another look at plane shooting over the gulf
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:41:07 GMT
Organization: UB

I just heard something very interesting about the shooting down of the
airplane over gulf. I was told that there was another military plane over
the passenger plane on a mission on US navies. The military plane was right
above the passenger plane so the radar couldn't trace it and the passenger
plane was warnned by US navy a few times to change direction. So does this
mean that Iran is responslible for 290 death of innocent people ?

Any supportive or anti comments??

By the way, don't flatter yourself. Iran wasn't the one that invented this
technique. Iraq invented it and that was the way that Iraq could reach
their planes to Tehran and Isfahan and Shiraz to bombard them. They waited
until an Iranian passanger plane took off from border cities and jumped
over it as soon as it was in the air.

Ramin 

*****************************************************************************
* "We hate it when our friends become successfull. And if we could destroy  *
*  them , you bet your life we would ....   "   The Mozzerman               *
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:15:32 GMT


>Spain discovered the west?
>Spain IS the West.
>Iran IS NOT the West.
>Iran IS the East.
>You are expected to know this very basic fact before making so much
conclusions.


Can't you understand metaphors (EsteAre). I referred to the discovery of
the New world by Colombus!


                              Kambiz


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian