HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu (Anne Bilek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open - General Observations
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:43:38 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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In article <1992Sep11.225329.8036@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Clark L.
Coleman, clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU writes:
...oh, lots of stuff which I've deleted...

Following John Bonacci's lead:  You are right.  You don't need to lighten
up and you are not an elitist snob.
 
-----
anne bilek
university of minnesota
anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu
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From: garden@hpltoad.hpl.hp.com
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:11:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: speed of a serve
Organization: pardon?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Reply-To: above


In article <BuMFDx.JCr@ecf.toronto.edu>, bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu
(BONACCI John) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep15.023603.815@wam.umd.edu> haas@wam.umd.edu (The
Future Mr. Graf) writes:
|> >I have had press passes to a number of tennis tournaments in the last
|> >4 years, and the majority of the pros feel that the radar gun is VERY
|> >inaccurate.  Derrick Restagno says that the guns are rarely even in 
|>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >the ballpark, and while I can't stand Derrick, I would have to agree.
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^!!
|> >There have been too many instances where you know the serve was faster
|> >than was displayed.  
|> 
|> Um, so how would he know?  Really, though, this is just what I was trying
|> to say.  It is an indicator, not a closely-controlled scientific
measurement.
|> I am confident that it is *in*accurate.  Not because it is cheap equipment,
|> but because there is more than one degree of freedom.  But as long as it is
|> not cheap equipment and it is employed consistently, it will indicate a
|> server's speed, albeit with some amount of error.  And I would go out on a
|> limb to say that the error would be biased to the low side (with readings
|> as low as actual * cos 15 * cos 10, where 15 is a rough upper bound to 
|> horizontal angle and 10 for vertical angle that the path of the ball makes 
|> with the line of the gun, assuming that it works along a single line and not
|> radial paths).  So that's about -5% just from geometric effects.
|> A "ballpark" should be able to accomodate at least this much.
|> 
|> But I can't believe anyone would actually be moved to whine about it.
|> That's almost as bad as whining about the height of the net.



			What Net ?
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Number of Posts during US open
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:17:18
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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If I remeber correctly, last year at about this time, there were 50 to 60
posts a day to this newsgroup.  Does anyone have real numbers?  

Most of those posts were focused on Connor's run to the semis.

This year the matches have been very good, but look at the few posts.

jim taylor  Thinking Machines Corp    jpt@think.com

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From: bose@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose)
Subject: Re: Strategic whining (was Re: Ramblings)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:06:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.183041.16246@news2.cis.umn.edu> Anne Bilek <anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep9.172731.26381@src.umd.edu> Charles Lin,
>clin@eng.umd.edu writes:
>
>>                            While I like Lendl, he also complains
>>a lot, and it is because people like Mac and Connors can get
.
>>It doesn't make the bad parts right, though.
>
>Yesterday in his post-match interview, Lendl seemed to indicate that both
>he and Becker were using their complaining as a strategy, at least in the
>5th set.  Lendl was relatively calm - only a few quiet complaints - until
>the 5th set, when he absolutely exploded over some point, screaming
>"Shit!" at the umpire.  Before that, I was getting pretty sick of
>Becker's constant complaining that Lendl was "influencing" the calls with
>his complaints.  I don't remember Becker being such a whiner in recent
>years, but then maybe he was using it as a strategy, as Lendl said. 
>

While on the topic of whining, I thought Becker's last "whine" in the 5th set
about Lendl distracting Becker while serving was quite justified.  I can't
imagine what compelling reason Lendl had to be talking to a ballperson
as Becker was getting ready to deliver his 2nd serve from the ad-court
when he was up 40-30.  This was a crucial point, because Becker double-faulted
and ended up losing that game (I think).  In general though, Becker missed
a lot of good opportunities to break Lendl early in the 5th set when he was
getting a good look at several Lendl 2nd serves.

Ashim Bose
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Lendl beats Becker in 5sets
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:35:07 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

and in 5 hours and 1 mn


don't know the exact score.
From: taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Chris Hardisty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Snapple
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:21:01 GMT
Reply-To: taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

Snapple will give Lendl the winning edge... Any other Snapple drinkers
out there?
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Retraction on Stafford
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:09:36 GMT


      BOOO-HOOO ON ME.  My previous posting was  really  off
 target.   Stafford is from University Of Florida.  The twin
 sisters  from  UofGeorgia  are  the  McCarthy's.   Shooting
 oneself in the foot is painful, isn't it?   I'll  just  let
 the Floridians take it from here.

                             Sorry,

                             TEG

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


>
>From: twb@math.ufl.edu (Thad Beavers)
>Subject: Stafford
>
>
>        Does anyone have any biographical info on Stafford?
>        I know she is ranked in the hundreds, but how long has
>        she been on the tour.  She hit some really good shots
>        against Martina.  She also hits some descent pace.
>        Is she just inconsistent the rest of the time.
>
>        Thanks
>        Thad
>

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>      Shaun Stafford recently joined the tour  after  coming
>> out  from  the University of Georgia.  If I'm not mistaken,
>> she (seed no. 1) was a  finalist  in   this   year's   NCAA
>> Women's  Singles championship.   Lisa  Raymond (seed no. 2)
>> beat her in that match.
>>
>>      Stafford, by the way, has a twin sister who also plays
>> terrific tennis!
>>
>>                                           -TEG
>>
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From: haas@wam.umd.edu (The Future Mr. Graf)
Subject: Re: Tuesday's On-Line News
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:31:03 GMT

In article <lbcdpnINN3od@news.bbn.com> adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>  * CBS's ratings for this past weekend's TV coverage
>    of the US Open dropped significantly from last year. 
>    Friday's ratings fell 30%, Saturday's 10.5 hour show 
>    dropped 42%, and the men's final on Sunday dropped 23%.
>
>    The USA cable network's ratings remained the same
>    from last year.  A spokesman from the USA Network 
>    indicated that CBS's ratings suffered because 
>    neither Connors, McEnroe, or Agassi made it to the
>    semi-finals.

     Hmmm... Ok... No one whatched last year... And no one watched 
     THIS year... Good News, guys, the ratings didn't drop!!!

     DISCLAIMER:
     (It's just a joke.  I watched, as did many of you.  I in no
      way meant to slander USA Broadcasting, their employees, or
      their sponsers.  USA is a fine network, and I congratulate
      them for their tireless dedication to the world of tennis.)

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From: taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Chris Hardisty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Snapple
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In article <lb1mrfINNhu2@news.bbn.com>, adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>
>  After Jennifer Capriati won the gold medal this past summer,
>  she also signed an endorsement contract with Snapple.
>
>Anne
>----

Anne -

How'd you get this info?  How come she hasn't done any commercials yet?
She had better start while her gold is still untarnished... (whoops, guess
it already is after US Open!)

chris
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 09:08:46 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Today's Matchups
Distribution: world

My PICKS (which mean absolutely *nothing* :D):

NOTE THESE ARE NOT RESULTS!!

Men's 4th Round
---------------
Edberg(2) over Krajicek(15) in 4
Becker(7) over Lendl(9) in 3
Washington(14) over Chang(4) in 5
Emilio Sanchez over Ferriera(12) in 5

Women's Quarter-Finals
----------------------
Seles(1) over Hy in 2
Sabatini(4) over MJ Fernandez(7) in 3

--Vernon.
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Post the results
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:57:44 GMT

What happened to the fourth round matches between Becker and Lendl,
Edberg and Krajicek, Chang and Washington, and Ferreira and Sanchez.

Siva
From: mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL H. ALAIMO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Monica, the Yugoslavian
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:16:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep13.220938.9526@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford
.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
>>
>>Could someone tell me what Monica Seles' nationality is?
>Monica Seles is a Yugoslavian citizen, or at least what's left
>of it.  Was this one reason why she did not participate in the
>Barcelona Olympics?  She calls Sarasota, Florida her home, most
>likely because this is where she practices a lot.  She sounds
>and acts American, doesn't she?
>

She was born in Serbian Yugoslavia.  However, her parents are ethnic
Hungarians who might very likely be getting "ethnically cleansed" if they were
still in Serbia.

The politics should be kept out of tennis.  Besides, Seles seems like a
teenage kid from Florida to me too.
-- 


: MIKE ALAIMO        :    ************************
: Brain Surgeon      :    *       BUSH-FREE      *
: Rocket Scientist & :    *        IN '93        *
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                                      .
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Lendl, Connors, etc
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:10:17 GMT

**This is my first "opinion" post here (probably not my last!!)**


The Lendl-Becker match was great to watch!!!  I have very sleepy
eyes today after staying up until the end.  Becker looked completely
worn out by the end and seemed to have to summon extra energy for
every shot.  Lendl seemed extraordinarily fresh.  I'm glad Lendl
won, not because I don't like Becker, because of everything else.

Connors is a sore sport.  Yes, it is amazing that he is still
playing (funny, though, he complains about the high tech racquets,
yet he is one of the very few men who actually uses a wide-body!).
I'm sick of defending why I am not a Connors fan (and never was).
He wasn't "man" enough to say "Lendl beat me - he outplayed me
today".  Instead he has to come up with some bull excuse.  Lendl
might not be the most exciting, but let's not forget that
he is a great player with the smarts to play the players to 
win, not to prove something to the world.

Tonight's Agassi - Courier match should be a good one.  Really
too close to call.  They are so close, it will really depend on
who is in a "zone" to get that slight advantage over the course
of the match.


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From: stan@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stanley Kim)
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:31:15 GMT

The US Open may be the richest tounament, but the ATP championships give
the most prize money to the winner right?  Anyone know the actual amount?
1 mil? 2 mil?
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Agassi beats himself
Date: 12 Sep 1992 22:02:31 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Now Courier faces Sampras and I predict Courier in four sets.
>>

>well, I think if Edberg can play some *consistent* games, he could
>repeat. I watched the match against Krajcek and he played so up and
>down--so inconsistently--it's hard to believe he ever won any Slams.....

Well you may have watched the Edberg v. Krajicek match. But you
seemed to have missed one very important point. Edberg has the
heart of lion and the nerves of a safe cracker. Perhaps you noticed
them in Edberg's 5 set win over Chang today? 

And BTW, Sampras crushed Courier as if Courier was nobody. Just 
stomped on him. 

>--Vernon.

Stan
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Connors-Lendl match
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.225317.13423@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:

>Lendl has basically figured out one strategy to play
>Connors and he does it time and again.   The strategy
>is not to hit the ball so hard, keep it deep and chip
>to Connors forehand.  With Connors not being the most
>fit of players, Lendl's plan was to wear Connors out
>and force him into making mistakes, mistakes which
>Connors didn't make against Oncins.
>
>   Since I have to guess, Connors probably was able to 
>pressure Lendl and come to net.  Enough so that he won
>the first set.  The reason Lendl's strategy works is that
>he still possesses one of the better passing shots in the
>game and one of the better forehands.  He can still
>push Connors around with his forehand, and if Connors
>attacks, he is still good enough to pass.

>   In my opinion, Lendl played a smart match.

Exactly, Lendl played a very smart match. While I am not too carzy
about Connors' on-court behavior, I am impressed how good a tennis
player he still is at age 40, as he demonstrated in the match
against Oncins. In the first set, Connors successfully attacked
from the net to beat Lendl. That was essentially the only way
Connors could win because he wouldn't need to do THAT much work.
Lendl didn't play poorly in that set and lost only 7 points on
his serve, but 4 of the 7 came in one game and Lendl was borken.

Lendl's strategy of keeping the ball in play and moving Connors
around to wear him down started to pay off in the second set.
As Connors getting tired, the match became more and more one sided
as reflected by the score of the last three sets: 6-3, 6-2, 6-0.

If Connors continues to play, he pretty much has to restrict himself
to smaller tournaments with the "best of three" format. He really
can't play four/five sets against the top guys any more. Of course,
Flushing Meadows is the place that gives him the visibility.

The organizer of the Navratilova-Connors "battle of sexes" hype
match must be disappointed. Who is going to pay $25 to watch two
past champions who are both eliminated in the second round of
the US Open recently?
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.160204.3073@src.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep15.142547.5052@walter.bellcore.com>, donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano) writes:
|> > In article <1992Sep15.021858.19076@src.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
|> > |>    I'm not sure why there's so much money in tennis (compared
|> > |> to golf, for example), though the money is quite top-heavy.
|> > 
|> > You obviously have not looked at the prize money for golf!!!
|> > At the end of the year, at least 100 players are making MAJOR
|> > BUCKS!!!!!  I take golf over tennis for prize money anyday
|> > (especially if doubles isn't included).
|> > 
|> 
|>     Well, the last time I read about this (which was long ago),
|> the top ten players in tennis make more than the top ten in
|> golf.   However, those ranked in the 90's or 100's in golf
|> fared better than tennis.  It could also be much better since
|> I think one can stay pretty much in the US and still play lots
|> of tournaments, and hence cut down on expenses flying to other
|> countries.   It may be that golf has put more money in recent years
|> so that the top players are making over a million dollars, but
|> in the early eighties I recall reading that maybe one golfer was
|> above asy 500,000 dollars, and at the same time, five or six
|> tennis players made this much money.
|> 
|>    I could be wrong!
|> 
|> --
|> Charles Lin
|> clin@eng.umd.edu


How convenient that today's USA Today provided me with data!!

Here's some:

    rank 
(prize money)       tennis                 golf
     50		    195,865		 256,439
     40             249,414              311,909
     30             306,908		 401,608
     20             403,488              497,369
     10             574,248              664,694
      5             754,597	         885,971
      4           1,000,484              909,236
      3           1,131,372              930,659
      2           1,367,029            1,084,714
      1           1,560,045            1,254,473

As you can see, the only place tennis players
make more is in the top few players (in this case,
4).  And for this money, many of the players must play 
doubles to survive.

Plus, there is a VERY HIGH PAYING Senior tour for the
geezers (nothing derogatory intended!!!!) over 50.
What other sport can match that!  We must remember where
the money comes from (corporate sponsors) and golf
is BIG BIG BIG as far as demographics (i think golf
is more of a rich man's game).


(FYI, I love both tennis and golf, and given the opportunity
and talent, would not mind being the 500th ranked in either
sport!)

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From: sliew@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Selbyn Liew)
Subject: Re: Thursday results
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:02:34 GMT

In article <jonas.716189244@beor> jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen) writes:
>Men, QF
>
>Chang d. Ferriera 7:5 2:6 6:3 6:7 6:1
>Edberg l. Lendl 6:3 6:3 3:6 5:6 suspended due to rain

Edberg vs. Lendl 6-3,6-3,3-6,5-7,(1-2 or 2-1) ....

>Edberg had three consecutive match points in the fourth set!!!!
>
I watched the news and seems like another epic struggle between the
past champs.  The match was finally stopped at 2 sets all, with 5th
set on serve 2-1 (or 1-2)...looks like it will be continued in 2-3
hours time from now (i.e. while I type)...

Regards,
Selbyn
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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: stich vs becker
Keywords: stich dudout
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:30:06 GMT

In article <symons.716442684@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> symons@elec.uq.oz.au (Anthony Symons) writes:
>
>what was the 1991 Wimbledon final score -
>Men's Singles ???????????


Stich won 6-4, 7-6, 6-4.

I don't know the tiebreaker score.
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Re: 9 Chang - Ferreira match
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:42:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.205713.10337@cs.brown.edu>, PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
|> I believe it didn't start yet(5:00pm). McEnroe/Stich are still playing
|> at Stadium.   Quan
|> 

There was probably a rain delay today.  I know it was raining
pretty hard here in NJ for awhile and the rain usually finds
its way to NY.

Bummer, though, I can't handle all these late nights watching
tennis and then try to wake up and go to work!!!!

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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Agassi
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:34:13 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep8.171620.17466@mks.com> dan@mks.com (Dan Latendre) writes:
>In article <18i99dINNh0r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Karthik H. Subramanian) writes:
>>
>>	Andre Agassi is the biggest fag in this hemisphere.  He can't play
>>a lick of tennis.  The only reason he won Wimbledon was because for seven
>>matches he played incredible tennis and his opponents happily self-
>>destructed.  I don't think Goran Ivanisevic should have lost to him or
>>that Agassi should have even come close to beating him.  Agassi is a 
>>teeny-bopping fame-seeker that uses tennis to get endorsement money.
>>Agassi will never again win a grand slam title because someone will
>>constantly rise up and beat the skank.  Agassi does not have the mental
>>stability of other great players to stay on top of the game.  
>
>Do you want to put some money on that BIG MOUTH? Agassi, no matter
>what anyone thinks of him is a GREAT tennis player. I did not like
>Agassi at the beginning of his career -- too much of the show boat, but 
>now he has come into his own and is playing superb tennis.
>
>You say that he has no mental stability, just look at his record in
>grand slam events over the last 2 years! 
>
>
>
>-- 
>     ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Dan Latendre		dan@mks.com 
>    /||/// //|' `\\\     Strings, strings -- damn those strings!!
>   / | //_// ||\___/     "Tennis is a stroke of genius", unknown.

 I must agree with Dan about the faggot's ability. He will be among the best for
the next couple of years, assuming no injuries. He has a lot of talent so expectto see him and his bush of a hair do for a while longer.
 I on the other hand liked him at the (very) beginning of his career. He was 
cool and classy - he would always applaud good shots by his opponent. Now-a-dayshe only applauds when he is winning big and is far too concerned about his 
image.
Just my 2 cents worth.

						  Rick

					   
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