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From: hrostami@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Hadaf vs. Alborz
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:14:02 GMT
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

In article <72666@hydra.gatech.EDU>, me12@prism.gatech.EDU (Reza Ebrahimpour) writes:


> If my memory serves me correctly, the top four students admitted to 
> Elec. Eng in Sharif U. happened to be the top four Conquer (sp?)
> in the area of Math-Physics. I can even provide some names ( again hoping
> the old memories are still there):
> 1) Farid Zavoshi,
> 2) Ghlam-Reza ( Shadi) Tahvildarzadeh,
> 3) Saeid Bagheri Shoraki,
> 4) Hooshang (damn I can't remember his last name, and he was such a
> gentleman).
> 
> 
> The best student we had was Shadi Tahvildarzadeh. Shadi is the most brilliant
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and the most knowledgable person I have ever met. Although he ranked
> second on Conquer (Farid Zavoshi was on top with a huge lead of about
> 100 points), Shadi was ahead of everybody in that class. Of course there were
> a lot of other excellent students. Seyyed Mahdavian was also in that
> class and one of our best students ( you can ask him for a copy of 
> his transcript as a proof).
> 
> P.S. I have to add that Shadi found Elec. Eng. to be too easy and as a result
> switched to mathematics. I met his advisor, Dr. Shahshahani, a few years
> ago in Iran. Dr. Shahshahani talked of Shadi the way teachers talk about their
> best students, with a sense of pride. He was extremely pleased with Shadi's 
> achievements. 
> I won't be surprised to hear more and more about Shadi in the future.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> He surely deserves a  high stand in his field.
> 
> 

I must say when I read this bit about Shadi, I was amazed.  The reason
is that I know Shadi personally as he married my cousin and they both came
to U.S. to study.  Shadi attended NYU and recieved his PhD in Math.  When I
visited him, They were living in Princeton,N.J..  He was teaching at NYU while
pursuing his degree and his wife (my cousin) was attending Princeton seeking
a Phd in musicology.  They had plans to move to Michigan for Shadi had 
a job offer.  I am sure that they both will be doing very well in the
future.

What a small world ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Re: Iran is not your kingdom Mr. King!
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:27:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.234259.12483@wuecl.wustl.edu>, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov5.173028.26655@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
|> 
|> >I think the discussion has moved into the logic of
|> >religious semantics, and I have no intention of discussing
|> >that, because I don't accept that God, if she exists, has
|> >said any of the sorts of things you claim she has.
|> 
|> Very good, don't accept! But also respect the believes of others. You neither
|> have any right, nor any knowledge to decide whether God is a "he" or a "she". 
|> Hey, why is that when you cannot answer logic, you start becoming angry at God?
|> Are you so desperate? Don't worry, *I* am the one who is giving you a hard 
|> time, not God :-)

Well, it's because on of my areas of interest is
mathematical logic, and I find religious dogmatists
frustrating because of their strange and self-serving logics.
That's why I call it "religious semantics" (or rather, the 
logic of ...) ... I'm not going to discuss it because
I suspect we will end up having very different beliefs as
to what constitutes valid logic, and the applicability of
logics to religious justification.

However, since you find the prospect of a gendered "God"
so distasteful, let's do the "logical" thing, and call God "it."


|> >I say let them find their own answers, their own way of living,
|> >and if God doesn't like it, then she can pack up and find
|> >another planet.
|> 
|> I say it's none of your business. If you don't like it, you can pack up and 
|> get out of the mid-east region.


And the problem is that many Muslims are forced to do just
this, i.e. "pack up and leave," for the sole reason that 
they desire to explore their beliefs, or to express their 
individuality as something separate from their faith.

The problem is not me, Seyyed ... among others, its the women 
who are threatened by their brothers and fathers back at home 
for being "too educated."  Women who have to fly from their
country just to explore the wonders of intellectual life.
What about them?  Is Iran such a static kingdom that they'll 
never be able to broaden their minds and express themselves 
within the nation of their birth, within the country they love, 
soley because they are women?

What about it, Seyyed?  If its not my business, is it
theirs?  Or don't they count?  Are they not "real Muslims"?

Cultures are about sharing, including and embracing new
ideas.  I hope that your exclusionist view of Iran is
a minority position maintained by extremists.  


_______

Loren King
MIT
From: dd00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DARIUSH DERAKHSHANI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Koran Text
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:42:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Would anyone out there have, in an IBM format text file, the text to the
Koran?  I have been looking for quite a while now.
-- 

Surrealincerely Yours,

          ====)------------------- Dariush

                                        "Whatever."
                        "Life is just an annoying side effect of sex."
From: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Khayam
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:37:56 GMT
Organization: The Light House
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: woodman.mti.sgi.com
Keywords: Khayam

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	kay byKbran rah nh Anst v nh ayn
			- emr Kyam -
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Iran-Iraq war
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:59:54 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov11.004941.13631@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:

>>> If the IRI leadership had been smart, they would have invited those military
>>> men who were not strong supporters of Shah, and were willing to work for
>>> their COUNTRY to continue to serve, while firing only the heads who were 
>>> unquestionable loyalists.  They would have also taken a peaceful stance
>>> towards their neighbors and towards the rest of the world by not blabbing
>>> about exporting their revolution

>>Just for the record.  I vividly remember that in the few weeks before
>>the Iraqis invaded Iran, Jallal-od-din Farsi (the then darling of the
>>Islamic Republic Party and their grooming presidential election
>>candidtae) was repeatedly ranting over the Tehran radio on the "duty"
>>of the Islamic Republic to "liberate" the Iraqi "moslems" from their
>>"infidel" rulers.  Fore anybody carefully listening to these, it was
>>obvious that that was a receipe for war and that we were heading
>>towards it.  Then followed some border skirmishes and infiltrations by
>>paasdaars - and then the all-out INVASION and WAR.


>This is also Iraqis justification for invading Iran.
>The infilteration into Iraq could not have happened since Iraqi
>army was already positioned on the border.  Criticizing Saddam
>Hossein can in no way jutify his aggression.  In fact this was
>Saddam who tried to interfere in Iran's internal matters by
>providing arms for Khalg-e Mosalman party.  This group started

Correction:
This group was actually named khalgh-e Arab and their aim was to
make khozestaan an Arab state and possibly integrate it into Iraq.
Ala

>an internal riot in Khorramshar few months prior to Iraqi aggression.
>Saddam's invasion cannot be justified in any way.
>There were numerous mistakes made by the revolutionary regime in Iran.
>Most of the problems were mainly because of the transitionary situations
>and nadaanam kaari haa.
>The government DID utilize the army people and many Shah time generals
>were also appointed to top positions (like Fallahi who was the commander
>of joint forces).  Iranina army had the key role in repeling aggression.



>>-hossein
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:43:28 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Nov5.185649.24197@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>|> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) asks:
>|> 
>|> 
>|>  => what does baghal mean?
>|> 
>|> I believe it means "lima bean" or one of its products.
>
>Hmmm I thought it means "KenAr"?

kenaar, hmmmmm, does this have anything to do with the famous
konaar discussion?

but personally, i think baghal means daghal kaar.

>
>|> 
>|>  => and what is so special about cows,
>|> 
>|> The fact that they have a cupboard full of vaseline.
>|> 
>
>Well Imam said we are all sheep and he is the shepherd
                                               ^^^^^^^^
>so We sheep like our closest relative that is big, mucho
>and SMART,    the COW!

did you hear what one shepherd said to the other shephard?

" lets get the flock outta here "

>
>
>Farhad
>-- 
>
>   "Switch the computer off, wait 30 seconds and switch it on again
>     if nothing happens."
>					"Stepping Up To OS/2 2.0"
>

behzad
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Women in Iran
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: wuecl.1992Nov7.040957.20138
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

In article <1992Nov6.192738.6666@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:

>                                                its the women 
>who are threatened by their brothers and fathers back at home 
>for being "too educated."  

I don't know what you mean by "educated". In our view, not having "hejab" has
nothing to do with education. In fact we believe that a properly educated woman
will have her "hejab" exactly as Islamic rules have mentioned. Now I don't see
why we should accept YOUR definition of "education".

>                           Women who have to fly from their
>country just to explore the wonders of intellectual life.

They fly to explore the wonder of western life :-) You may wonder if I tell
you that in Iran, western culture is considered a "backward" culture. The only
thing good about the west, is its technology and science, and we are following
that. But we certainly are not going to follow the philosophy and lifestyle of
the west.

>What about them?  Is Iran such a static kingdom that they'll 
>never be able to broaden their minds and express themselves 
>within the nation of their birth, within the country they love, 
>soley because they are women?

They certainly can do so. We have lots of women among our students and 
professors. We even have, I guess, nine members of parliament who are
women.

>What about it, Seyyed?  If its not my business, is it
>theirs?  Or don't they count?  Are they not "real Muslims"?

Anyone who denies that "hejab" is an inseperable part of Islam, is not a real
Moslem. To get Islam rules, you should refer to Islamic scholars, not to those
who hate Islam, or hate to have hejab.

>Cultures are about sharing, including and embracing new
>ideas.  I hope that your exclusionist view of Iran is
>a minority position maintained by extremists.  

We have tried to learn your science and technology. I hope that you also try
to understand our philosophy and culture. I am sorry, but there is no way we
can, or should compromise Islam.

>Loren King
>MIT

Seyyed.
From: mahin@physics.ubc.ca (Mahin Bahrami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: a joke
Date: 14 Nov 1992 00:03:00 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca
Summary: kami ta hodooi xrated
Keywords: kinda funny



This man and this woman are riding next to each other in first class. The man
sneezes, pulls out his wang and wipes the tip off. The woman can't believe what
she just saw and decides she is hallucinating. A few minutes pass. The man
sneezes again. He pulls out his wang and wipes the tip off. The woman is about
to go nuts. She can't believe that such a rude person exists. A few minutes
pass. The man sneezes yet again. He takes his wang out and wipes the tip off.
The woman has finally had enough. She turns to the man and says, "Three times
you've sneezed, and three times you've removed your penis from your pants to
wipe it off! What the hell kind of degenerate are you?" The man replies, "I am
sorry to have disturbed you, ma'am. I have a very rare condition such that
when I sneeze, I have an orgasm." The woman then says, "Oh, how strange.
What are you taking for it?"  The man looks at her and says, "Pepper."
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Power of Imagination
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:47:27 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


Mr. Hooshyar writes:

> In article <19834.2af044f7@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>>In article <1992Oct24.103550.17385@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com 
>>(Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>> In article <19817.2ae8a291@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>>>>In article <1992Oct20.101030.14147@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>>>> In article <19785.2ae357f0@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could you imagin that a Muslim would ever think of blowing
>>>>>>grave of even a kafir? Never never. How come these people claim to
> [stuff deleted for brevity]

>>
>>>Next time you visit Iran and enjoy your
>>> human rights to see your relatives and exercise your citizenship legal
>>> rights to visit the grave site of your relatives and friends, please perform
>>> this "Independednt Investigation of the truth" experiment as follows:

>>
>>It was nice of you to show trust in me. But there is one problem.  I am unable
>>to visit that sacred land in near future and hence unable to carry out what you
>>described as "the independent investigation of the truth."  Mr. Naraghi, you
>>would be fully aware of the PRINCIPLE accepted all over the world that the
>>burden of proof is responsibility of the person who levels the accusations. 
>>According to the best principles of justice, witness must be reliable, should
>>have generally good reputation.  It is your responsibility to prove urgently 
>>the accusations you have levelled and of course according to the set principles.
>>Please NOTE an accusation remains just an accusation until the avaiability of
>>SOLID proof.
>


*Sir, I cannot provide any proof!!  I sincerely believe that all those
****************************
*accusations leveled against innocent Baha'is in Iran, whose sickening
*breezes we have already witnessed in this forum (Assad, you missed a lot),
*cannot be proved because of the unavailability of SOLID proofs!!  I am,
*however, obliged to inform you that if you really wait for my response,
*you will reach your time of ascend without any proofs at hand.  In the
*interest of conducting an investigation in an attempt to address the
*accusations, I would like to turn to IRI to produce the proofs because it
*is IRI that has made numerous accusations againt the Baha'i Faith in Iran
*without producing ONE SINGLE PROOF or better yet one BIT of proof.

*Now, don't tell me you cannot contact IRI offices across the world and
*ask for their proofs.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
 ****************************************

Mr. Hoosyar, the discussion is over after you GRACEFULLY admitted that 
you can't prove the allegations you levelled  against islamic republic
of Iran.  I  congratulate you for taking this very courageous step.
Now I fully agree with you that some people are "HOOSHYAR"( clever,
smart) enough to turn " the power of imagination " into reality.

Good Luck.

Asad.

Btw.  I was really impressed by your One thing, that is good English 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Ms(mr)King real name(The jews)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:44:42 GMT

In article <24443.9211131323@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") went on about...
>I am very angry when I see:
>
>-the jews on this net attaking I.R.IRAN with or without reason just
> because it is an Islamic state 
>(during the shah these scums use to appraise Iran)

And how much did they find it worth?  :-)

Yasmin
-- 
**************************************************************************
*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *          Clinton/Gore '92          *
*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            THEY WON !!!            *
**************************************************************************
From: fbahrami@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Farhad Bahrami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Dastgah Concept in Persian Music - the book
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:28:32 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

salAm doostAn,

I'm glad to see this thread of Iranian music discussion on s.c.i.
I just wanted to point out a couple of things...
 
In article <lftop1INNid2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>... *everything* is worth writing down ...

Yes absolutely - and especially these days we can not only transcribe on paper,
but also on many types of digital media (e.g. DAT).
I'd love to travel around Iran on a ethnomusicolgical trip and record regional 
musics.  And being able to use computers would make research/documentation a 
lot easier.

>it makes me jealous that the west, for example knows exactly what
>bach looked like, how the instruments in his period sounded, have his
>music available, have the words to his cantatas, etc...

You're right about Bach - but even though the west has kept longer record of
their music than us, they also only go back about 500 years - small compared
to the history of music (Chinese music's been documented for 4000 years!).  
And also, they don't _really_ know what Bach's (or ancient Chinese) instruments sounded like.

Keep up the good discussion.  Discussion aside,  I'm happy with the way our
music has really blossomed, through the efforts of many fine musicians,
especially in the past few years.  People like Alizadeh would not be 
composing the music they are without masters Vaziri/Saba/Khaleghy/...,
in other words, the whole written and oral tradition behind them.
What do you think?

sepAs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Subject: Re: Farsi Word processors for the MAC?
Reply-To: mehdi@admin.kth.se (Mehdi Alipour)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:08:41 GMT

In article <Bx0GoA.BDL@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mehran@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Mehran Farimani) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>Could anyone give me information on Farsi word processors available for
>MACs? Things like the name and address of the company would also be helpful.
>
>Thanx in advance ...
>
>Regards,
>
>--Mehran

I'm interested to such informations too.

mehdi/      mehdi@admin.kth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:07:23 GMT


mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:


>I just talked to my family in Iran this morning. In light of Iran's
>elimination from the Asian Cup, here's some facts/opinion courtesy of
>my brother.

>Facts:

>    o A tie would have advanced Iran into the semifinals while it
>      would have eliminated Japan, where a win for Japan would advance
>      Japan into the semifinals and eliminate Iran.
>    o The game was played in Japan!
>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!

And then Ala replies:

>>Why would they play rough if all they needed was a tie?
>>Ususlly the team that is behind tries to be so aggressive that
>>it may get in red card trouble.
>>Again, to me this is very unusual.

Ala Khan:

Baba Ay Valla.  I have not seen the game and looks like you have not
seen the game either.  Therefore, we both cannot be a good judge about
the game.  But sending three players (apparently in a very short time
interval, maybe 40 minutes or so) looks to me kind of odd.  Especially
that the refree should usually show a yellow card before expelling a player.  

Second of all, Baba that is our home team land.  Where is your patriot
feeling?  I did not expect that from you, especially by reading some of
your posting.  My point is, political or religious system should not
effect your patriotism.  Personally, I am trying to be fair, but things
are very fishy to me and I agree with Mack 100%, especially by reading
the title of posting "You make the call".  I hope, I misunderstood you
but otherwise I appreciate if you would enlighten me.

Kindly Regards


Zamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Subject: Re: translation
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:46:33 GMT

In article <BxIHrp.Cxn@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
>Subject: translation
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:55:00 GMT
>could some kind sould please tell me the meaning of this poem?
>
>zafar
>
>Fazle khudai raa ki tawaanad shomaar kard
Who can count the grace of God?
>      Ya keest aanki shokri yaki az hazar kard
Who is the one who can thank one out of thousand?
>
>Aan sania'ai lateef ki bar farsh kaynat
That kind creatore, (which) on the face of universe
>
>	Chandeen hazaar soorat zeba nigar kard
created(drew) many thousands beautiful faces
>
>Bahar aafareedo baro darakhtan mewah daar
created land and on it fruitful trees
>	Khursheed wa maah wa anjom wa lialo wa hihaar kard
sun, moon, stars and days and nights (created)
>
>Na burda range gange muyasar nameshawad
whithout pain there is no treasure (no pain no gain)
>	Muzd aan girift jan brodar ki kaar kard.
got reward my brother, the one who worked.
>
>-Sa'adi Sherazi
ps. the last line should be:
na bordeh rang gang muyassar nemishavad
Sa'adi bAbA to cheghad sAfo sAdeie.
(it is a joke)
 

Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---