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From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Allowed?)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:08:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   As explained, the double posting was a mistake. Also, since Tony has taken
the initiative to bash others in a public forum, I decided it my right to
respond to that in the same manner.
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From: rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:17:27 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <u894776.717807224@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
> 
> [this reply not directed at you]
> 
>>  The problem is that you cannot simply OR an image to the screen. First
>>you have to AND the screen bitmap with a mask, and then OR your image
>>into the screen bitmap. With the Amiga blitter this can be done in one
>>blit, while the Atari blitter would have to run two passes. I.e:
> 
>>  Amiga :  Dest = Image + (Dest * Mask)  ( D = A + BC )
> 
>>  Atari :  Dest = Dest * Mask
>>           Dest = Dest + Image
> 
> Will this thread about the Atari Blitter ever stop?  Look even
> an atari STe owner/coder I know admits that most of the time on the
> STe you are just as well off using the cpu rather than the blitter.
> [assuming you have preshifted data]
> 
> There is no way, anyone can justify the presence of an STe style blitter
> in an STe machine - it was just a silly marketing decision - so atari
> could say their "Amiga Killer" had a blitter.

Certainly the atari STe blitter is not as verstaile as the amiga blitter,
however if you have ever used the atari desktop with and without blitter
enabled you will notice the difference.  This is particularly noticable using
the gemini replacement desktop which allows solid window moves (archimedes
style) with the blitter enabled.  From the point of view of someone who used an
ST for desktop applications it is completely justified to include the blitter.

> 
> IMHO even the amigas blitter outside of the A600 class of machines looks
> weak today.  Hopefully the chipset after AGA will improve things a bit.

Does anyone know if the blitter used in the falcon is the same as the Mega/STe
series?

Russell.
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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes
Date: 25 Sep 92 09:47:04 GMT
	<1992Sep18.060926.4193@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu's message of 18 Sep 92 11:09:25 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Sep 92 11:09:25 GMT, fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu said:
fheitkamp> In article <BuozzM.D8J@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
> 
> And also, Lurch from the Adams Family movie (and Mr. Hom from ST-TNG)
> was there on Saturday. He is supposedly quite an Amiga fan and has
> both of our products. He is also pretty scary to look at in person.

fheitkamp> 	He is also the drummer for Fleetwood-Mac.  As a matter of fact
fheitkamp> 	I think his name is Mick Fleetwood.  

No he's not, you goof!

(The ironic part of it all, is that Mick Fleetwood is a big *Atari*
supporter due to the MIDI stuff out for it!)

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: ibm lamers at their w
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:55 EST


AT>matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:

>Yep, that's right, Amiga is the only computer that can lay graphics
>onto video tape.

Andre T. Yew writes,

AT> You mean the Amiga is the only computer that can lay
AT>down cheesy, pseudo-12-bit, fringy, chunky graphics directly
AT>to video tape.  That's pretty amazing.  I don't think
AT>DCTV counts -- what's that about an extra encoder for
AT>some SVGA card?

AT> BTW, the Amiga isn't the only computer that can do
AT>that.  SGI's Reality Engine boards can output encoded
AT>NTSC or PAL (even HDTV!).

AT>--Andre

 I think Matt meant that the Amiga computer can lay graphics onto video
tape at a lower cost then most computers.
 
 The pseduo 12 bit display you are talking about is not as fringy as the 
regular ham mode. It's not chunky like double scanned VGA displays. And the
only thing Cheesy about are the 256,000 colour pics of cheese!
 
 As for DCTV not counting! Why not. You don't count DCTV, yet you count a
3rd party SVGA card and even mention SGI Reality Engine boards!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:24:58 GMT

david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:

>   Listen,  I  beg  to  differ here.  Don't talk me about the Archimedes, I
>don't  even care for something I *CAN'T* buy *RIGHT* now, without importing
>the  thing  from  UK  myself.  In short, the Archimedes is not available in
>Canada, and has never been.

	Hmm, well I have an email contact in canada who owns an
Archimedes 3000.  I'm pretty sure he obtained it directly from a store
somewhere in Canada.

>   Intuition  is  awkward?  Have you ever programmed an Amiga in your silly
>life?   Sure not.  Programming a user interface with it is a piece of cake.

	Well my first venture into intuition programming was in [very] early
86, using an assembler I had written in Basic.  While I could see
that intution provided a nice clean interface to the programmer, no tools
for generating menus, dialogs etc... were provided on the introductory disks
with the amiga.  IMHO the amiga programmers had wasted their time with
silly things like the narrator.device instead of giving us a decent DOS/DFS
and a decent application oriented graphics.library.  Sure the programmers
had enjoyed writing the OS, but I doubt whether they worried about people
actually writing useful programs for the OS.  I very much doubt if they
programmed the OS top-down - that is designing applications for the Amiga,
and then implementing the needed tools/features as part of the OS.

>   Forget Amiga OS 1.3.  It's no longer supported by Commodore.  2.0 is out
>since more than 1 year and an half now.

	Yep, and it still doesnt fit in my 1000.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave's Sig/Music Taste
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <8457@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>Heh.. Looks like daves choice in music has strayed from the B-52's to
>Metallica.. and from REM to... ???  

Actually, George was responsible for the B-52's stuff.  I only have one B-52's
disc, he's got them all (and I do mean all, even the one with five different
versions of "Love Shack" on it).  I listen to all kinds of stuff, though I do
have all the REM discs (until tomorrow, since "Automatic For the People" comes
out in the morning and won't have a chance to get to the music store until
after work).

>Are we going to see "Enter Sandman" imprinted on the motherboard of the 4000?

Well, the lyrics were always on the schematics.  The A4000 schematics have some,
but Greg put boring stuff on his pages, and even some of mine I think.
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 26 Sep 1992 19:11:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
: In article <1a0kcpINNal@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
: > DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu (Rune Hyldmo) writes:
: > : Where are those developers that made the A500??
: > : 
: > : They made the LYNX for ATARI !!!!
: > 
: > No, they didn't.  Jay Miner, the only one that traces over, was
: > working on the SOFTWARE, not the HARDWARE.
: > 
: > God, you're misinformed.
: 
: Double confusion here.
: 
: None of the people who were involved with the A500 project worked on the
: Lynx project.  Quite a few of the people in A500 development team still
: work for Commodore.

EEk!  (Read:  Retraction!  ;)

I could have sworn he said A1000 team.  :)  I must have looked right
over the number, since this has been claimed so ofen.  :)

Greg

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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:35:53 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Very limited amount of memory for the Falcon's DSP?  Oh, ok, pal...
Obviously you don't realize that the 32Kwords of StaticRAM available to the
DSP is FOUR TIMES the amount available to the DSP on the NeXT's.....

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:30:19 EDT
From: <FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: RE:Amiga 4000 vs. Atari FALCON: Hooray, Lizardshit, FUCK!
Distribution: world

You're not comparing the Falcon to the NeXT, are you?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:27:25 GMT

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>	What rationale have you got for bashing the 020?  The Amiga OS
>	doesn't use an MMU for operation.  The 020, if the price is low
>	enough, should work just fine IMHO.  From what I understand, save
>	for MMU, the 030 and 020 have the same instruction sets but the 020
>	is up to 4 times slower on some instructions. The 030 also has an 
>	data cache in addition to an intruction cache.
First of all i said i wouldn't buy a machine without an mmu.  That is because 
I use the mmu for VM and for enforcer.  And i suspect the mmu to be important
in future releases of os.  Not to mention when gnuMach comes out it will 
require it.


>	Again if having an 020 means a *substantially* lower price, it's
>	not a big deal.  It *does* mean more people might be able to afford
>	an AGA equiped Amiga.

And you totally lost the point i was giving.  It would not repeat would not
be less expensive to put a 020 instead of a 030.  Would you like to save
about $30 to have a crippled processor that might not handle future 
os's or alternative os's.  Even on a hypothetical $700 model the price would
be about how much you would pay on sales tax.  

But then again i guess you could add an mmu.  But then they would have to build
a socket for it, oops that goes that price difference.

I do plan on buying a low end aga that would include a mmu.  So if the a1200
doesn't have one, perhaps i might buy a unix box instead, that is used unix
box.

Marty
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:43:23 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <10667547.231.717905919@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
|> In article <1ab4fuINNeuj@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
|> >From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
|> >Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
|> >Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:47:26 GMT
|> >mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
|> >: In article <53697@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
|> >: >	I have my computer set up so that every time it "beeps", it
|> >: >shuts down.  This is a great time saver.
|> >: >                                                        Dan
|> >: That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.  Imagine... shut down
|> >: when it beeps!  I guess I have to bring up the obvious problem here...
|> >: 
|> >: If it shuts down, how do you know if it beeped or not?
|> >
|> >Because it shut down, you twit!!!
|> >							   Greg
|> Um, I think you mean it beeps BEFORE shutdown!

Um, I think this is the best justification in the world for joke encoding. If
you are a known humor-impaired individual, please do not decode jokes, humor,
and sexual innuendo. You will not get it, and we will have major headaches
wading through silly corrections to sillier posts. 

(I'm still waiting for someone to ask how much the Blazemonger will cost, and
will the new chip fit in the A1000...)    8)

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1aaqj0INNd2m@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
> : I disagree.  The Atari BLiTTER is most definitely DMA.  A DMA device
> : basically transfers memory from one location to another without the
> : intervention of the CPU and the BLiTTER does exactly this.
> 
> I'm sorry, I had things pictured differently.  Under that context,
> probably the best context to use, yes, it is DMA.  However, it appears
> to do its own stuff, as if it itself was the DMA controller, and
> that's why I didn't count it as USING DMA, because it appears that it
> is doing the fetching itself.

You still seem a little confused.  The Blitter can be said to use DMA if
it initiates memory cycles without requiring processor intervention on
a per-cycle basis, aka programmed I/O.  You can try to make nicer
distinctions, but not to any real advantage.

On item to consider would be what sort of transaction the blitter uses
to access memory.  In the Amiga, co-processor access is shared at the
memory controller level, thus (potentially) allowing use of 100% of the
memory cycles by the blitter.  If, on the other hand, the blitter sits
on the processor bus and accesses memory though the processor bus grant
protocols and isues 68000 cycles, it would probably be limited to the
"every other" memory cycle that the processor can use.

Does anyone remember right off how the ST blitter actually hookes into
the system?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:56:24 GMT

u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:

>etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:

>> But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
>>humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

>> I know the CPU's supposed to run faster if it isn't delayed by video
>>DMA, but is there a working Amiga system where this (speed improvement)
>>effect really shows? Can it be achieved on an A500 (without a mother
>>board replacement)?

>Just add fast ram.  I wish the A600 had 1 meg chip, and 1 meg fast, and a
>68030.

 If I do so, what happens? Will it leave the Atari behind then? 

I got a reply in my mailbox about another detail, the guy who wrote it
pointed out that the ST has a slightly higher clock frequency than the
Amiga. I don't think that makes the ST any worse.

 I know it feels good to know that the machine you're using is well
designed, but just how big is the effective improvement?

 Btw, is it easy to install the RAM configuration you mention? Is it a
good solution if the cost is taken into account? 

 Anders Skelander
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:49:00 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <jbickers.0ghz@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
> Quoted from <1992Oct5.143508.28037@news.uit.no> by kjetilja@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Jacobsen):
>> In article <jbickers.0gg1@templar.actrix.gen.nz>, jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>> >Quoted from <u894776.718087648@bruny> by u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull):
>> >    Someone says or believes something _because_ they are stupid, not
							     ^^^^^^^^^^

	Maybe you should say 'ignornant' instead.  I think stupid
	implies not having the capability to learn or understand.
	While ignorant implies someone who don't know no better
	(Hee-yuck)

>> Attacking persons instead of arguments is a typical way of avoiding the fact
>> that you don't have any powerful contra-arguments.

	Yeah, what happened to Jerry Shenkel?  (He avoids personal 
	attacks mostly)
> 
>     No, THIS statement of yours is a typical excuse for people posting
>     shit but not admitting that they're thick.
	       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	
	Isn't this an oxymoron?

> 
>> -Kjetil.
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A3000 price cut & A3000/CDTV promotion ends
Keywords: A3000, CDTV
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:51:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.204319.25690@knight.vf.ge.com>, ganoe@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Craig Ganoe) writes:

|>   /                                                                      \
|>  |                   Bulletin!  No Free CDTV with A3000                   |
|>  |                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                   |
|>  | It's official! Commodore JUST changed the Amiga 3000 promotion they    |
|>  | announced recently. Rescinding inclusion of a free CDTV with purchase  |
|>  | of an Amiga 3000, instead they are bundling it with the new SCALA      |
|>  | Multimedia 200 Authoring System (we've seen it -- its slick), and      |
|>  | making it available in two packages with GREAT prices! Get this...     |
|>  |                                                                        |
|>  |    Amiga 3000-25/50 (50 MB Hard Drive) with SCALA MM200  $1499.00      |
|>  |    Amiga 3000-25/100 (100 MB Hard Drive with SCALA MM200 $1859.00      |
|>  |                                                                        |
|>  | This offer is good ONLY until Nov. 30, 1992. See your Amiga Dealer for |
|>  | details. This change is so new they don't have the announcement on it  |
|>  | done yet! Commodore also says they have a NEW promotion in the works   |
|>  | for CDTV which will be announced Real Soon Now. The *StarShip* News    |
|>  | Network will have THAT announcement as soon as it breaks!              |
|>  |                                  -*-                                   |
|>   \______________________________________________________________________/
|> 

This is so wild... doesn't Scala sorta-kinda-maybe compete just a little some-
times with AmigaVision??? I mean, it's better, sure (sorry C=), but it's kinda
strange to give away the competitors's software with your machine. That's like
Microsoft bundling OS/2!   8)

|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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|> "I finally have a chest to speak of and the only man in my life doesn't
|> know what to do with it." - Murphy Brown
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> [ ... end of original post ]
|> 
|> Why wasn't AmigaVision Pro bundled with this instead of SCALA MM200? I'm not
|> saying one's better than the other, but it would've made more sense.

It is strange, isn't it?

|> Craig

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From: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Organization: Commodore Sweden

In article <1992Sep30.175457.8235@lth.se> e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>According to a german friend of mine and some german Amiga-magazine
>there will be an A1200 with -020, AGA, and a harddrive before 
>christmas (that's christmas 1992 for all you pessimists out there...)
>for about half the price of an A4000.

Are you sure it is not one of your intimate friends at Commodore Sweden
who told you? You know, the ones who had told you about the forthcoming
low-end Amiga with DSP, etc, coming out before chritmas... The machine
you would eat a a box of disks if it didn't come out before christmas.

If you just tell me who it was, so I can take him out of his misconceptions
right away. Because it couldn't be that you just pretended to have inside
information, just to look important?   Naaah, can't be that.

By the way, let me know how the disks I sent tasted. They may have had a
bitter taste, there was MS-DOS software on them.

To everyone else: Don't listen to rumours, especially when they are made up
by someone who is a liar.

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