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From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Just Saw Aladdin...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:30:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In a previous article, rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) says:

>In article <athos-301292011330@kip2-50.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>>
>While I'm at it, here are a few of the many, shall we say, similarities
>between Aladdin and The Little Mermaid films:
>
>1.  The princess's father stands in the way of her love life.
>2.  After that, as I've mentioned above, her father has a change of
>heart.

    *a few more points deleted*
 
In all three of the latest Disney animated films (Little Mermaid, BaTB,
and Aladdin) my question is 'Where are the mothers?'  Neither Ariel, Belle,
or Jasmine are shown to have mothers.  Where are they?  What is Disney trying
to say about family structure and father/mother(less)/child relationships?
My first quick impression would be that the position of motherhood and a
mother's role in the family is 'belittled' by its non-inclusion.  Though   
another thought that comes to mind would be that since the main characters
are female (Ariel, Belle, Jasmine) there sometimes exists more 'conflict' 
between daughters and their fathers (especially teenage years) and Disney
is trying to concentrate on this part of the family scene.  Though I think
Disney should have included a proper role for the mother in these films.
(actually someone correct me but I don't remember Ariel having a mom, or at
least her mom's role in the movie was VERY limited, been a long time since
I saw it.....)  Any other opinions?
 
					Derek
				(going to see Aladdin for the 4th time tonight!)


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From: kresse@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Tim Kresse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: DIS Stock - early 80's
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:17:56 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens

For more complete information on what Disney went through -- you can check
out _Storming the Magic Kingdom_, it tells the story of the takeover bids
and such, but here's a brief run down - off the top of my head.

In the early 80's Disney stock was valued at approx. $60 -- where it had bee
for the longest time.  Some speculators Saul somebody amongst them - began
to figure in their head that the bits and pieces of Disney (theme parks,
studio operations, film and tv libraries) were worth much more than the
stock was valued at - especially since Disney was a financially conservative
company, generally speaking, and didn't carry much debt around.
  
So, the plan was hatched to buy Disney out - using junk bonds (yep, Boesky and
Milken both had bit parts in this drama).  Disney got nervous, dumped E. Card
Walker and Ron Miller, picked up some other guy as CHair of the board (an architect, I belive).  And Roy Disney (Walt's nephew and large shareowner in Disney
as well as Shamrock productions -- began making bids to get the management
changed at Disney -- working for Eisner and Katzenberg.

During this time, Disney bought out Arvida Corp (mostly in Florida - land
developer) and a greeting card company (Gibson, I think) to increase debt
and make themselves less attractive to takeover.  The speculators eventually
lost out to Roy Disney and the Hunt Bros. of Texas (silver fortune) who came
into Disney as "white knights."  
 
The stock went from $60 to around $45, and then after Eisner and Katzenberg
were in place and Disney was safe, it started it's big time climb.  Also,
at some point it re-organized from Walt Disney Productions to Walt Disney
Company - this was after Eisner/Katzenberg were in place.

Hope that answers the questions.
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From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Mickey's Toontown
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:49:56 PST

I haven't had the time to read this group (or any other, for that matter)
in a while, so please excuse me if someone else has already posted this
info...

Mickey's Toontown at Disneyland is now being "soft opened."  The official
date isn't until January 26.  The decision on whether to open or not is
supposedly being made on a day to day basis, and it is only open for a
few hours when they do.  I finally caught it open yesterday, and it is a
blast!

The rest of this is spoilers, so go on to the next article now if you
don't want details.














Most of the place is walk-through.  Mickey's and Minnie's houses have a
bunch of cute stuff, and you get to meet Mickey dressed as the Sorcerer's
Apprentice at the end of his place.  Goofy's house is apparantly made
mostly of rubber so that kids can bounce around, but people over a certain
height (meaning most teenagers and adults) aren't allowed to play.  Chip
and Dale's tree house has slides that are usable by any age, and a pit
full of plastic balls (actually acorns) for the kiddies out back.  Donald's
boat has another slide, in my opinion better than the two in Chip and Dale's
tree.

Most of the rest of Toontown is just funky building fronts, a few of which
you can walk through.  There is a lot to see and do, mostly "toony" stuff
like doorbells that make different sounds and a fire house that smokes.

There is a food court with several small fast-food counters.  One of them
was frozen yogurt.  The Jolly Trolly runs along the street from one end of
town to the other, bouncing up and down as it goes.  Gadget's Go Coaster
is intersting and fun, but is very tame and very short as far as roller
coasters go.  There is also the Roger Rabbit "dark ride" (similar to the
ones in Fantasyland, I'm told) but it unfortunately wasn't open when I
was there yesterday.

See you all at the park!

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From: pabakke@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Peter Bakke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW resort impressions and questions
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:41:51 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

A note about the Yacht and Beach Club pools. A new rule was
put into place just a few weeks ago where only Yacht
and Beach Club guests were allowed to use those pools. All
other WDW guests can use any other resort pools otherwise.

When we were told this at the Yacht Club (where we weren't
staying) the towel person said we should complain about the
new policy - he did give us towels and told us to use the
pools anyway since it wasn't crowded at the time.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 10:24:26 MST
From: <ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Aladdin posters
 <1992Dec18.230228.5442@wam.umd.edu>

FYI, I saw the big colorful Aladdin poster (the one with just about everyone
and everything on it) for sale at the Suncoast Motion Picture Co (an affiliate
of Sam Goody, I think).  It was available in two sizes.

I'm still looking for a copy of the pre-release poster of the Lamp.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: agjeung@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Gee Jeung)
Subject: Multiple soundtracks for BatB?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:19:34 GMT

My girlfriend and I both bought soundtracks to Beauty and the Beast
on CD.  However, they sound a little different.  Most notably, "West
Wing" (in the part where Belle encounters the wolves trying to escape
from the castle) and "Transformation" have totally different melodies.
Can somebody explain this to me?  Sorry if it's been asked before.

Thanks,
Andrew

Represent Stanford?  I just work here...
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 05:23:31 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Jessica Rabbit Store?

In article <1992Dec21.154326.23687@linus.mitre.org>, lorrayne@smiley.mitre.org
(Lorrayne Schaefer) says:
>A friend of mine is a big Jessica Rabbit fan.  He has been trying to
>find a store that features Jessica Rabbit goodies.  Does anyone know
>of such a store? or of a shop that has lots of Jessica Rabbit things?
>He tried various shops at Disneyland and Disneyworld (and I believe
>EuroDisney) and struck out.  He also asked at a few Disney Stores with
>no luck.

Well, I got good news, and bad...

First the good: There is such a store.  It is called Jessica's and, while not
COMPLETELY devoted to Jess, she is by FAR the majority of merchandise.

Unfortunately, they are closing the store.  Before it was Jessica's, it was
something with Dick Tracy.  At a guess, it will be switched over to promoting
some other movie.

Fortunately, practically everything in the store was 50% off last time I was
there.

Unfortunately, I can't even guarantee that it is still open.  :(

I'm sorry,
-Tad
From: Damon.Burke@p12.f118.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Damon Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Hidden Mickey update
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:03:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/118.12 - PowerNet, Altamonte Springs FL

I go atleast once a week, and i was looking around.  I saw the one at the land, with the lights.  A host said "there are 10 inside and 8 outside of kitchen kabaret."  I found one in a poster.  Some woman had an outfit that resembled one.  Couldn't miss it.  But i didn't see 18.  The dunes on the land ride look like a micky from the resturant.  I'm going to MGM newyears eve, i'll look around there for some.

l8r

Damon Burke


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From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Hidden Mickey update
Date: 23 Dec 1992 20:36:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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In <1992Dec22.213637.3616@nic.csu.net> jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:

>But, I did go on Splash Mountain, and I don't think there is a scene where
>"(on your right) where the fox and bear are projected on a screen running
>over a hill, the HM appears at the very end of the projection."
>And I don't remember seeing this last year when I went either.  I rode Splash
>Mountain several times then.


That's because you rode Slash Mountain at Disneyland, not WDW.  The
rides are different, particularly the scenes you see when you're riding
through the mountain.  The scene described above can only be seen at
WDW (and maybe Tokyo Disneyland, but I haven't been there).  Having
ridden both versions of Splash Mountain, I'd say the one at WDW is far
superior.  The thing I like the most about that one is that the
characters deliver their lines as your log is passing by as opposed to
just repeating their lines on an endless loop.  They also tend to turn
and look at you while they're talking just as a live actor in a play
would do to add emphasis to the lines.  Makes it seem all that much
more real and personal.  There are also three complete sets of dialogue
for the show.  So you're likely to hear a different set of lines when
you re-ride.

Curt
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From: brett@surfpix.princeton.edu (Brett Borowski)
Subject: Re: Jessica Rabbit Store?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:41:45 GMT

As of August 1992, there was a store on Pleasure Island and WDW that
featured Jessica Rabbit stuff--almost exclusively.  It may have been
called "Jessica's" and I seem to remember a sign bearing her statuesque
figure.

Brett B.
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From: 3-5058%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Alaric #3 @5058)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: RE: Walt Disney's present Temperature & D-Land Report....
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 92 21:14:53 GMT

I recently read a book which systematically debunked hundreds of urban myths
with quite thoroughly researched info... besides giving out the formulas for
both Coke and Kentucky Fried Chicken, it also researched the gravesite of Walt
Disney.  The author went to Forest Lawn and was told that he should go away,
but he snuck around to one of the back plots where the Disney Family has a
crypt.  On the building there are plaques for all who are buried there and in
the back of the building Walt's name exists on a small plaque kinda hidden.  A
friend of mine has seen it with his own eyes as well, although no actual
remains were witnessed.  The reason for the secrecy is due to the Disney family
not wanting Walt's gravesite to become a tourist mecca like Elvis' grave...


Part 2:
 I just returned from a Christmas trip to Disneyland (My third time this year)
and here are the highlights..... I was told that Toontown might be opened early
for a preview but it was locked up tight except for a private charity party
they were giving for some kids from Ellay... I saw and videotaped it from the
train however and a cohort of mine got yelled at for "standing while the ride
was in motion", This same disnyite told us that "Flash pictures shouldn't be
taken while going through the Grand Canyon and the Dinasaur Replica People" (I
got it on tape folks, I swear it's true!), He then went on to thank us for
"Corresponding with his no flash pictures rule"...  First night on the job I
guess!
  We spent 2 days in the park and I videotaped way too much.  The first night I
decided NOT to videotape Fantasmic and just enjoy the show, saving the taping
for the second night when I would have front row seats in the Gallery Balcony
(eat your hearts out)... BIG MISTAKE.  The first nights show was great (sat
front row and had to wipe my glasses every time the screens powered up) but the
show I taped was majorly flawed!  The Dragon musta been drunk in his trailer
cuz Maleficant had to fill in...he was a NO-SHOW!!!  Now I have to wait in line
for 2  more hours to get balcony seats again, then wait at the bottom of the
stairs to get in for half an hour, then tape the whole damn thing to get it
right UGH!...  Other than that the trip was pretty memorable... weather was
great.  D-land during Christmas is beautiful but the crowds keep gettin bigger
every year.

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From: holyoak@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Douglas Holyoak)
Subject: The seven dwarves
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:31:44 GMT

Okay, I'm stuck.  What are the names of the seven dwarves from Snow White?

I seem to recall that some were named Dopey, Grumpy, Sneezy, and Sleepy. 
Am I correct so far?  Whom am I forgetting?

___________________________________________________________________________
Douglas Holyoak                          "No success can compensate
Institute for the Learning Sciences       for failure in the home."
Northwestern University                       - David O.
McKay
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Where the Wild Things Are
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:08:29 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

A long time ago, on the Disney channel, I saw a short on the making of
Maurice Sendak's "Where teh Wild Things Are."  This was to be a new
version, entirely computer animated, to be produced by Disney.  I have
never seen or heard anything else on this film.  

Now, in the making of Aladdin, there's a brief reference to Glen
Keane's work on this in 1983.  

Has anyone seen this film?  How is it?  And, most importantly,
where can _I_ see it or purchase it??

Thanks.
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: DIVIDING R.A.D.
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:24:52 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

In <Rich_Koster.1abq@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:

>In a message dated Sun 20 Dec 92  6:43, Sue.kobel@bird.com (sue Kobel)
>wrote:

> SK> Hi Rich!  Finally made it over here.  
>Glad to have you here, Sue!

Hi Sue.  Any more r.a.d.* suggestions lately?

> SK> Thanks for posting my
> SK> suggestions.
>You're welcome!  Now next time you can do it yourself! ;-)

This could be the start of something meaningful . . .

Tim Pickett
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:43:52 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: What is it with the Hooters?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

brett@surfpix.princeton.edu (Brett Borowski) writes:
>Does anybody think that Disney actually has the "sex sells" ulterior
>motive when they endow their female characters?

No, they just need something to go with all those phallic symbols
throughout their movies.

Geoff, hoping *not* to resurrect that thread ;^)

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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Seeking THE LITTLE MERMAID on VHS...
Date: 3 Jan 1993 16:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <16B4A4701.IEBF94S@tjuvm.tju.edu> IEBF94S@tjuvm.tju.edu (Craig Doerrmann) writes:
>I just had a friend pick up a copy of TLM from a flea market in Southern
>New Jersey.  Looked original, although the box was cardboard, not the large
>plastic book-like holder.  (For $10.00, you have to take a chance)
> 
>The record tab was still intact.  The label on the cassette looked original,
>but you could see the flaws on close-up examination.  The regular stereo
>track was blank on the left, and the hi-fi track had a buzzing in the
>background.  The video portion is good, but you can tell it's a copy.

The pirates didn't even have the decency to make a laserdisc copy or
to use a special device that removes the copy protection.  One blank
stereo track is a sure indication that they copied it from a tape
using two regular VCRs.  Imagine, a "Mom-and-Pop" piracy ring!  At
least they're a small time operation.

I wonder where they got the cardboard boxes...maybe they run a video
store.


- Robert Cook
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 12:07:47 EST
From: Laura Kittleson <LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Just Saw Aladdin...

RE: Disney women looking alike....

I think that for both Ariel and Belle, the creators used the same
model, Sheri Stoner (I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in
one of those expensive Disney animation books that I was hoping
someone would give me for Christmas....).  Don't know if she was
the model who acted/posed for Jasmine.  The Disney princes look
somewhat alike too; the Beast Prince was the first that I thought
looked somewhat different.

-Laura "I may be in my thirties but I still love cartoons" Kittleson
laura@ucf.cc.ucf.edu
From: Damon.Burke@p12.f118.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Damon Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Scuttle Doll
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:59:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/118.12 - PowerNet, Altamonte Springs FL

Does Anyone Know Where I can get a stuffed scuttle <segal <sp?> from TLM> doll, figure, whatever?

Damon Burke


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From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Aladin Soundtrack.......
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:06:47 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network
Cc: mla


Does anyone know if the soundtrack to Aladin has been released? My
girlfriend really loved the music, but I can't find it.......


Thanks,
Marc
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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Hidden Mickey on WDW TV Spot
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:10:00 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

There is a new "Be Our Guest" commercial for WDW which premiered on
the Very Merry Christmas parade from WDW on Christmas morning (but
it has been running on network TV since then, too).
 
In the scene where the kid has his Mickey doll on the bed with him
as he's about to drift off to sleep, the camera pans over to the
resort room window which has a view of the castle.
 
Look at the clouds to the left of the castle as the fireworks are
going off.  You'll see a Hidden Mickey cloud near the castle!

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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Winnie the Pooh Xmas Special
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:50:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <hhg1-221292075027@132.197.14.85> hhg1@gte.com (Hal German) writes:
>Although the Pooh cartoon was good. I was ticked off it was followed
>by a half "infotrailer" on Aladdin and the Muppet Movie. Nothing like
>instilling those family value$.

It can be sickening in a way, but it's a great method of advertising
for Disney.  I like to watch them to see just what information
they've distorted.  To my surprise, these "infotrailers" seem pretty
honest, but tainted with Disney propaganda.  For instance, the guy
(God, I'd like to bonk him one! :-)) says in the voiceover: "Beauty
and the Beast...has all the elements of the CLASSICS."  It sounds good,
I guess to some, but he really said that BatB is based on a movie
formula!  I enjoy watching these disgusting (if you're cynical about
capitalism) ads, though.


- Robert Cook
From: prw@apple.com (Paul Wenker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Jessica Rabbit Store?
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:44:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.disney
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.214130.3617@nic.csu.net>,
jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec21.154326.23687@linus.mitre.org> lorrayne@smiley.mitre.org (
> Lorrayne Schaefer) writes:
> >
> >A friend of mine is a big Jessica Rabbit fan.  He has been trying to
> >find a store that features Jessica Rabbit goodies.  Does anyone know
> >of such a store? or of a shop that has lots of Jessica Rabbit things?
> >He tried various shops at Disneyland and Disneyworld (and I believe
> 
> Tell him to check Toontown when he gets to Disneyland next (anytime after
> January 1993).  There's bound to be stuff there.
> 
> >Lorrayne Schaefer
> 
> Jennifer

I think the store you're looking for is Jessica's.  It's on Pleasure Island
at
Walt Disney World.  To quote Birnbaum's guide, "A novel character shop
where
the merchandise is themed around the vampish Jessica Rabbit of 'Who Framed
Roger Rabbit'."

-Paul Wenker
-Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: clawton@tfs.com (Chris Lawton)
Subject: Animation of Mickey
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:17:58 GMT

	Just watched The Prince and the Pauper again last night.

	Each time I see it, I'm more and more convinced that it is
	some of the best animation of Mickey Mouse ever done.

	If you haven't yet seen it - you'll love it!  It's a lot of
	fun. :) (Goofey's great "Yea hoo-hoo-hoo!" is in there too!) 


	Chris Lawton		I'm just a little guy...
	Oakland, CA		I'll take a pizza pie!
	clawton@TFS.com		Mickey - The Prince and the Pauper