HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:11:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>>believe that contrasts sharply with well respected Big-10 bands.

>Some of the Big-10 schools do not have music majors, like Purdue, for
>instance.  Furthermore, many of the people who participate in the marching
>bands are not music majors.  I see lots of "Wisconsin Band" jackets in the
>Engineering Building at Wisconsin.  I'd hate to tell you that "You are not
>correct, sir..."

Well he is pretty correct, sir.  I am a member of the Marching Illini at the 
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and although I'm not a music major 
the music majors out number the engineers in our band... sorry.


  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: scott@prodplan.Columbia.NCR.COM (Scott Bridges)
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.160551.1839@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>In article <92279.183450MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu (mark rieker) writes:
>>
>>       Tennesee and Alabama - I guess they'll play each other, so at least
>>       one of them won't be undefeated. Georgia is lookin good, and I can't
>>       see either one of these teams going undefeated, and even if they do
>>       who cares, we're already ahead of them in USA/CNN poll.
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So.....
>It's the AP poll that counts and Tenn., Texas A&M, and Ala. are all ahead of
>Penn S.  This is the "official" Poll of the BCI.  
>
>Dale Robbins
>Go VOLS!!!!
>


......Until this weekend, of course!

Roar Lions!

Scott Bridges
PSU '80


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From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowl Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:19:24 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


   If Miami Canes and Washington Husks finish the regular 
season #1 and #2, is Washington still have to play in Rose Bowl?
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:49:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS

In article <BvnoM2.27y@solbourne.com>, tomd@solbourne.com (Tom Diessner) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct2.142525.5365@netcom.com> stassen@alc.com writes:
> >In the first half, a 26-year span from 1936 to 1951, Colorado has exactly
> >THREE appearances in the top 20 (of which only one is higher than #16).
> >In the second half, a 27-year span from 1952 to 1988, Colorado has seven
> >top 20 appearances, but again, only one is higher than #16.
> >	This places Colorado light-years behind Oklahoma and Nebraska,
> >a good distance behind Missouri, and barely ahead of Kansas (in the first
> >half) and Oklahoma State (in the second half).
> >
> >Below is the table of result for all of the Big Eight teams, with a
> >"score" derived (four points for a top five appearance, three for 6-10,
> >two for 11-15, and one point for 16-20).  Note that Colorado comes in at
> >just about 40% of Minnesota's score (included at the bottom).
> >
> >	   1936 to 1951 (26 years)		   1952 to 1988 (27 years)
> >
> >Team	Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-1	 Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-2	Total
> >======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
> >Oklahoma 11	1     2     2	  53	  13	 4     2     3	   73	 126
> >Nebraska  -	2     1     2	  10	   7	12     5     -	   74	  84
> >Missouri  1	2     1     2	  14	   -	 3     2     4	   17	  31
> >Colorado  -	1     -     2	   5	   1	 -     -     6	   10	  15
> >Okl. St.  -	-     -     1	   1	   -	 1     3     -	    9	  10
> >Kansas	  -	-     2     -	   4	   -	 1     -     -	    3	   7
> >Iowa St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     1	    1	   1
> >Kan. St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     -	    0	   0
> >======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
> >Minn.	  5	3     1     2	  33	   -	 1     1     -	    5	  38
> >======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
> >
> >> Some of the stuff on the net may be unbelievable, [...]
> >
> >No kidding.
> >-- 
> >Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
> >DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
> 
> Very Good. I never said Colorado was in the same class as NU or OU during
> those years. I just said they usually finsished in the upper division of
> the big 8 and had some top 20 rankings during the seventies. I don't really
> care about how CU stacks up to Minnesota.
> -- 
> 
> Thomas Diessner | tomd@solbourne.COM | Solbourne Computer Inc. | Longmont, CO
> 				"GO BUFFS"

I would also like to see the results of the last three years put into this.  Recent
history does count -- 89, 90, and 91 were pretty good years for CU in comparison to
OU & NU, and 92 looks (so far, keep fingers crossed) to be pretty good, too.  I don't
think it will skew it very much, since the domination of OU & NU has gone on for a long
time, but it may affect it a bit.  Great set of data, BTW.

Matt Weiser
weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com
Go Buffs! 
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: ND & polls
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:32:48 GMT

In article <69483@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) wrote:
>}
>}       But I'd bet we'll never see a Miami fan match this article's
>}clear and objective perspective on the season. 
>
>Sure you would: Tim Pitts.  He even recently *defended* Notre Dame 
>against one of his fellow Blowhards in the ND vs. Great Lakes
>fiasco.  Has a net.fighting.frenchman ever defended Miami on
>any subject?  I doubt it.

Sorry my sweeping generalization impugned Mr. Pitts, but here's my lame
excuse: I didn't mean 1943 (or whatever) by "the season" :-)
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Arizona beats UCLA
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:20:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct5.061214.13913@u.washington.edu>, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> don't count,  U-Dub had already locked up the invite by then).  Also,
> I would have to add Arizona to that list after what they did to UCLA
> last night.  That defense is as scary as the Husky defense was last
> year.  Their offense isn't terribly potent, but they don't need to
> score a whole lot of points--ask Miami or UCLA.

The Arizona defense is currently playing very good football. They have in
the past two weeks shut down both Miami and UCLA - Miami had a grand
total of 2 yards on the ground and I believe UCLA had something like 34
carries for 36 yards. The offense has been slower to come around and
Tomey's philosophy on offense leaves a great deal to be desired (it seems
he now has the - "if we get a lead" we'll just keep running it up the
middle so that we don't give up the turnover and our defense will
stop em" approach to offense ). They also hit very hard this season - the
deffensive line is difficult to stop and they pressured both UCLA and
Miami many many times. I suspect that the defensive backs are less than
perfect but the pressure invoked by the line allows them to be a little
bit off the mark and still make it up. 

 There has been a small amount of talk about the UA players taking
cheap shots (they knocked out at least 4 Bruins and ended the season of
a Miami lineman) but when you watch them they simply appear to be going
all out on their hits and not backing off as they did last season. In
the avg. Cat game last year you'd see probably 2-3 missed tackles per
quarter - now if you see one a game it sticks out - the coaching staff has 
really done a good job on the D.


 I would not be surprised to see Arizona take 2 of its next 4 games ( I
think they play USC, WASH, CAL, STANFORD not in that order) and Washington
would be an obvious target for one upset. The cats seem to be for real and
their defense currently looks as good as any in the country. Washington St.
squeaked by them with probably the best quarterback in the country but
Washington's offense doesn't strike me as the type that will tear holes in
the cats defense. Washington pounded the cats so badly last year that
I think the revenge factor would be even larger than it was against
Miami... it would be ironic if they beat the Huskies after playing Miami to
the wire - giving back what they took away I guess....



			gln

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Reply-To: stassen@alc.com
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:25:25 GMT

In article <BvGG91.9x@solbourne.com> tomd@solbourne.com (Tom Diessner) writes:
[Talking about the history of Colorado football:]
> but before this, Colorado was always in the top division of the big 8,
> with teams ranked in the top twenty perennialy.

This is obviously some new and strange usage of the word ``perennially.''
Apparently it means ``on average, twice per decade.''

I went through the polls, from 1936 to 1988.  [1936, because that's then
the AP poll started, and 1988 because you are talking about the period
before the current success, and because that's the last year in the old
yearbook I have.]  I split this 53-year period into two halves.

In the first half, a 26-year span from 1936 to 1951, Colorado has exactly
THREE appearances in the top 20 (of which only one is higher than #16).
In the second half, a 27-year span from 1952 to 1988, Colorado has seven
top 20 appearances, but again, only one is higher than #16.
	This places Colorado light-years behind Oklahoma and Nebraska,
a good distance behind Missouri, and barely ahead of Kansas (in the first
half) and Oklahoma State (in the second half).

Below is the table of result for all of the Big Eight teams, with a
"score" derived (four points for a top five appearance, three for 6-10,
two for 11-15, and one point for 16-20).  Note that Colorado comes in at
just about 40% of Minnesota's score (included at the bottom).

	   1936 to 1951 (26 years)		   1952 to 1988 (27 years)

Team	Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-1	 Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-2	Total
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
Oklahoma 11	1     2     2	  53	  13	 4     2     3	   73	 126
Nebraska  -	2     1     2	  10	   7	12     5     -	   74	  84
Missouri  1	2     1     2	  14	   -	 3     2     4	   17	  31
Colorado  -	1     -     2	   5	   1	 -     -     6	   10	  15
Okl. St.  -	-     -     1	   1	   -	 1     3     -	    9	  10
Kansas	  -	-     2     -	   4	   -	 1     -     -	    3	   7
Iowa St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     1	    1	   1
Kan. St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     -	    0	   0
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
Minn.	  5	3     1     2	  33	   -	 1     1     -	    5	  38
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====

> Some of the stuff on the net may be unbelievable, [...]

No kidding.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: Prevent Defense
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:15:11 CDT

I have always had a questions that hangs at the back of my mind,
especially when watching one football team trying to hold a lead
against another... Is the prevent defense effective?

It always seems to me that it allows the opposing offense to just
sneak in the shorter passes (as we all know).  Unless its a
MUST score situation for the other team, I wouldn't use it.  Often
times, you find teams falling back into prevent in 1st and 10
from the 50 with 2 minutes left... is this smart?  The other
team has the time to get in in a quick drive, but they don't
need to score right away... it just seems like a way for a team
to give away the lead... (Perfect examples were Chicago over Detroit
this year or even OSU and Wisconsin [although Wisconsin held, they
didn't need the prevent in the 2nd OSU touchdown drive]).

Maybe I would drop safeties back, or just have the DB's watch particularly
for long breaks, but I wouldn't fall into a true prevent.

--
Johne...   Kariel the Margrave
"The question the truly scientific ask is 'Did God make man,
 or did man make God?'"

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford banned again
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Oct 92 22:00:42 GMT

dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray) writes:

>In article <aelman.717788026@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>>
>>Frankly, the Stanford Band hasn't done anything that anyone _really_
>>should have been offended by (with the possible exception of the nun
>>costume controversy last year, but that was the drum major himself,
>>who did not consult the rest of the band in that decision) since the
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
>>urinating-on-the-field incident in 1986.  In Oregon, people were
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>booing us LOOOOOOONG before we even started the show.  The show itself
>>was really not that bad (I reiterate my offer to e-mail anyone a copy
>>of the script).  The Casper show could have offended only one person,
>>and we think he probably would have taken it with a grain of salt.

>This is one I havn't heard.  Would someone like to fill me in on this story?

As far as I know, they were REALLY drunk, in Seattle, and it was just
a BAD idea.  NOT planned, of course.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: Rusty Medearis
Keywords: oxymoron alert
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:17:47 GMT

john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>And as far as the FSU and upcoming Pepsi State games go, don't worry the Canes
>will not only win, they'll do it with the style and grace that has become
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>their trademark of recent years. They'll rub the Noles and Littany Nions (sic)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^
>noses in the dirt and then step on them.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Aw, c'mon, John.  In one post, you moan about how UM isn't a team full of thugs
and criminals, and now here, you say that these gentlemen equate style and
grace with a good nose rub. 
 
Which is it?  Is Miami a bastion of new-found manners, or do they still harbor
the image of old.  Thugs with lace doilies are still thugs.
--  
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Re: NU-Purdue result/Big Ten
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:18:44 GMT

Brian E. Saunders writes:
>Patrick W Lauson writes:
>>
>>Wow.  This is the first Northwestern woof I have read in my entire life!!!
>>Next thing you know, there's gonna be some Midshipmen woofing it up....
>>
>>Congrats on the victory, N'Western.  
>
>I wish they would woof a little bit more over this one.

Not likely.  Considering that there are only about 8000 undergraduates at
Northwestern (less than a third of ninth-place Iowa), and only about 1000 of
them care about football, and only about 250 of those people care about Wildcat
football, and only about 50 of them even have electronic mail accounts, and
probably only about 3 or 4 of THEM even subscribe to this newsgroup, and
only one of them (me) is obnoxious enough to woof over a 1-3 record
(although the three losses all came to Top 25 teams), I doubt we'll see
much.  Besides, we don't want to "jinx" the team!  :)

Seriously, though, I can't be the only one scared about what happened
Saturday: four upsets!  (Five, if you believe some people in Iowa City... :)
Was it just "Big Fluke" day?  Is the Big 10 really that fallible?  Will we
ever again have a second-place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Will we
ever again have a FIRST place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Yes, I
know, some Ann Arbor-ites would beg to differ, but the season's still
young, and tying Notre Dame looks less and less like a spectacular feat...

What's going on?

ecw
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: JAYHAWK POSTING #18
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:28:02 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I missed Monday's paper and found nothing in the Tuesday paper to post (mostly
was about the KC Chiefs' win on Monday Night Football).  

This is from the Wednesday, September 30, 1992 issue of the University Daily
Kansan

MASON BARS PUBLIC, MEDIA FROM PRACTICE
by David Bartkoski, Kansan sportswriter

   Kansas football coach Glen Mason has closed practice to the public and media
for the remainder of the season.  Mason said that an incident Thursday before
the Jayhawks' game against California prompted him to make the decision. "I
arrived at the stadium and a guy handed me about five sheets of paper that had
very accurate notes about our practice," he said.  "I assume it was from
someone from the media.  If I knew exactly who it was, I would tell you.  But I
don't know."
   "The reason I say that is because it was a couple days worth of quotes by
players and interviews by players. Along with that were some very accurate
drawings of some new things we had in for the game.  It was even to the point
where they had some of our key check words."
   Mason said he did not think the packet had any bearing on the result of the
California game.  "At the last minute, we changed or eliminated any of the
stuff that was in there," he said.
   He said he did not want to have to worry about what someone was writing down
during practice.  "I want to be able to go out there and coach and evaluate my
team," he said.
   Doug Vance, assistant athletics director at Kansas, said this was the first
time since he came here in 1983 that practices were closed for an extended
period of time.  Kansas joins Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas
State as Big Eight schools with closed football practices.
   Chis Anderson, interim associate sports information director at Nebraska,
said practices there had been closed for about 20 years.  She said the media
had opportunities to see parts of the beginnings and ends of practice in
Lincoln.  "Our policy is real lax," she said.  "We don't ever shut the gates."
   Larry McAlister, assistant sports information director at Oklahoma, said
Sooners' practices were open to the media and public before the first game of
the year.  "Once the season starts, practices are open for about 30 minutes to
the media," he said.  "After that, they have to leave."
  Colorado, Iowa State and Missouri usually have practices open to the public
and the media. David Plati, sports information director at Colorado, said
almost every practice at the university was open to spectators and journalists. 
"We have an open policy with an asterisk kicker," he said.  "At times, we may
ask for special plays not to be reported.  And at times, we've closed practice
for a really big game.  But I know that since 1986, practices have been pretty
much open to the media."

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary"
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From: millert@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Miller)
Subject: r.s.f.c Top 25 poll
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:42:36 GMT

Could someone repost the instructions for entering or the address to enter?

Homer
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 23:21:26 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.164328.1795@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fran@cs.washington.edu (Tak Ming Pang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct04.221534.12065@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct04.175738.6048@CS.ORST.EDU> paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch) writes:
>>>In article <vrcpfvg@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>>>>In article <BvKBp3.DEF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>
>...................
>
>>
>>I would say that a victory over the #3 ranked team is a pretty worthy 
>>testament to things.  A victory over #20 is nice, but doesn't quite say 
>>as much, espeially when the team losses it's starting QB.
>>
>>-- 
>>David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
>>VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
>>uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
>>davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
>
>How good a victory is has nothing to do with the ranking of your
>opponent. Only the performance of the participating teams counts. 
>
>

Funny, then why did Miami lose the #1 ranking??? They didn't lose yet?  Why?
Because they almost lost to a team that is now showing themselves to be a
much better team than originally thought (by beating UCLA).  The way I look
at it, if they punish Miami by dropping them due to their performance over
last week, they should get brought back up due to what they did this week..

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: TV games Oct 3
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:55:38 GMT


Tennessee At LSU has been moved to ESPN at 7:30 ET
Georgia At Arkansas will be on JP/Sports at 12:30 ET  


I don't know ABC's slate, or the rest of ESPN's.
Last known ACC JP/Sports game would be NC State At Georgia Tech noon ET

Bob E.