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From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: US Code, is it available on-line?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:41:03 GMT

Is there and FTP site out there somewhere with the United States Code
available? Has anynone made a WAIS server for it?
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu.

Going on means going far. Going far means returning.
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: Using killfiles is a form of censorship (was: Re: A Modest Request
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:16:13 GMT

here's an idea:
Post a really controversial article, and put everybody who responds
negatively in your kill file.
Repeat until you are in their kill file.

*then* scream about censorship.

How about that Ed Nilges, William Starr et alia?

I have this vision of two children, hands over their ears, screaming at
each other in a crowded room.  Then I have a vision of the entire membership
of talk.politics.misc doing the same thing...  :*) :*)


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"Going to teach someone a lesson" is a very interesting English phrase.
It takes the altruistic connotation of 'teaching' and turns it into the
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Sexual Misconduct Laws
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:55:13 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Jul23.010746.26406@panix.com>
eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:

>I invite you to name a single jurisdiction that makes homosexuality a
>criminal offense.  

The US Military?

You can get court-marshalled just for saying you're gay. No proof or
disproof of conduct necessary.

Brian.
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.151442.23606@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>This is because high-powered, high-paid
>lobbyists for the tobacco companies were able to destroy a very
>effective series of anti-smoking TV ads in return for the mild warning
>label.

No doubt the national decline in smoking, as well as the change in
national attitudes toward smoking, has been mere coincidence.


--Mike


-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a law-
mnemonic@eff.org | breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every
(617) 864-0665   | man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."
EFF, Cambridge   |         --Brandeis, J., dissenting in Olmstead v. U.S.  
Xref: sparky misc.legal:14829 alt.censorship:6293 talk.politics.misc:35969
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: A Modest Request
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:26:56 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.231011.12863@hsv3.lsil.com>, 
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt) said:

> What you want is the following:
> /egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU/a:=:j
> 
> This will kill article with "In <1992Jul22.175330.12394@Princeton.EDU>,
> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU sez:" anywhere in the text.  The "="
> will print the headers of the cancelled lines; I've found this
> useful, since the more all-encompassing your KILL file line, the
> more likely it's going to kill something you might want to read.

My thanks to Mike and to all those who sent me email making the same
suggestion.  The only problem is that on the few occasions that I've
either put the "a" convention into a killfile or run a similar kill
command on the fly, my system response has been, to put it mildly,
slow.  I think the last set of glaciers made their way across Vermont
in less time than it took for those commands to crunch their way
through, say, a hundred unread articles.  So I guess I'll just stick
with what I've got.  Thanks anyway, though.

By the way, apropos to alt.censorship, I posted my original "modest
request" with motives that were about 90% utilitarian and 10%
experimental -- in addition to wanting to cut down on the time that I
spend manually skipping reply-to-Nigles articles, I also wanted to see
whether I'd get any negative "using killfiles is a form of censorship"
feedback... I'm gratified to report that I didn't.  Maybe things are
getting a little more sane around here.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: ADL/Hate Crime Laws
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:33:40 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <dfs.712285394@data>, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
> In <118-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> covici@ccs.covici.com (John
> Covici) writes:
# #``Mississippi Burning''--an inflammatory and fraudulent
# #propaganda piece produced on behalf of the ADL by
# #Hollywood to support the hate crimes statutes.
# 
# Perhaps you'd care to document your charge that the movie
# was 'fraudulent?'  It's hard to imagine how a fictional movie
# could be called 'fraudulent.'  Perhaps also you'd oblige us by
# giving us hard evidence of ADL's alleged involvement in the
# movie?  And please spare us anything from LaRouche or EIRNS or
# Spotlight or the Liberty Lobby.

I have no idea if the ADL was involved or not, and I don't have a
particularly good feeling about this guy Covici (who at least
SOUNDS a bit like one of the neo-Nazi revisionist sorts), but
_Mississippi Burning_ was a fictional movie based on a real set
of events -- and there was more than a little criticism at the
time that it came out that it had engaged in some pretty absurd
fabrication in the name of "dramatic license."  

If you make a fictional movie about a real event, lots of people
start to merge the two together in their minds.  It's part of why
I no longer watch Oliver Stone movies (as skilled a movie maker
as he is).

# I realize that you can make arguments against hate crime statutes
# based on the American Constitution.  That just shows that perhaps
# the Constitution or its interpretation may be flawed.
# 
# David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,

I suppose it depends whether you find free speech or totalitarianism
preferable.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
Xref: sparky misc.legal:15279 alt.society.civil-liberty:5384 misc.education:3044
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.education
Subject: Re: allowable graduation requirements
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:42:48 GMT
Followup-To: misc.legal
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Jul30.171454.13850@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
>What is considered acceptable requirements for public school graduation?
>I was reading the paper today and noticed that Maryland has just passed
>a law that requires high-schoolers to "volunteer" for 75 hours of
>community service, or else be denied their diplomas.

>Personally, I think this is flat wrong and should be blown away.
>However, there is also nothing anywhere guaranteeing one's right to
>a high school diploma, so it is hard to see what (if anything) the state
>is violating.

>So, what says the net about Maryland's actions, and what are the currently
>recognized cutoffs as to what conditions states can place on public
>high school graduations.

Unfortunately, too many universities and employers make a high school
diploma a requirement.  Some will accept equivalents, but not all.  If
a high school would be allowed to tell others that this requirement of
voluntary community service is all that is missing, it might not be
too bad.  But making teen-agers do service approved by government,
religious, etc., moralists is a totalitarian action which should be
enough to cause the downfall of the government, or it will cause the
downfall of any meaningful free society.

On a more basic point, this use of high school diplomas, grades, etc.,
is a horrible farce.  When a high school diploma had some relation to
knowledge and ability, it made some sense.

There is one more point to be considered.  If the law forces someone
to continue attending school because of not meeting this requirement,
it is a total waste of human resources.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Using killfiles is a form of censorship (was: Re: A Modest Request
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.145132.21496@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> ...  for I believe in beneficial "censorship" ...

  This is the root of my disagreement.  He believes that it is
ok for him: a) to do whatever he wants, because he is "right", and
b) to decide what is "right" for other people to be allowed to do.

  The only thing worse than a wanna-be-dicatator is a humorless
wanna-be-dictator.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: asher@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Terri Asher)
Subject: Wages
Reply-To: asher@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:22:07 GMT

Is there anyone who can help me with a couple of employee/wage legal questions?
I was not paid for some time I worked for a small business, and the money
involved is less than half of the cheapest quote I got from an attorney I 
called for help.  This was the situation...

I worked (in AZ) for this business for about 2 wks., and quit, and was never
paid.  After 3 wks., I filed in small claims court for the amt., but the
address the owner had given to the corporation commission was not a real
address, so he was never served.  He disappeared for awhile, but I believe I
know where he is now.  I am wondering what the time limit is for me to do 
anything about this.  I believe this corporation no longer exists, and have
resigned myself to not getting this money, but I was surprised how easy it was
for this guy to cheat me.  I have spent more time on the phone to the
corporation commission, and asking other people questions than I even worked
here, but I can't believe he was just allowed to get away with this.  Anyway,
if possible, please post any replies, as I will not have this account much
longer.  I appreciate any opions/help.

Thank you.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: I hope nobody minds...
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

if I respond here since that's where I read it...

In article <1992Jul29.153516.19266@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> BMWs and bank accounts cannot be shared

	Well, my wife and I share out bank account, and our Honda...

	Legal question: two people **share** a **joint** bank account.
They have a disagreement.  One person goes and removes all the funds from
said account.  Would the other person have any legal recourse ?

>I suggest to you that BOTH men and women are exploited by Playboy, but
>women MUCH MORE than men.  

	Ahh yes, the old women-are-victims-of-nude-photography argument.
	
	How quaint.  
								W.rat


Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard)
Subject: Re: Lawsuit to compel a fraud to run for President!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:01:40 GMT


I wouldn't say that it's "obviously" an enforceable contract, that is argueably
>a fact question.  Moreover, a federal court in the U.S. does not have the
power/authority to enforce an injunction barring Perot from running for office
in another country.  I concede that Perot could lose his citizenship, but he
could still hold the office.


>See 12 :) 2d at 305.

Is the above cite 12 F.2d at 305?
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Using killfiles is a form of censorship (was: Re: A Modest Request
Keywords: egnilges
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:53:49 GMT

/egnigles/h:j

next, i move on to ban all books with the word "fuck" in them

-.net nazi
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: ProMaleChoice
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:52:38 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul23.142052.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, by fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks):
> In article <3317@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>> In article <18978@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>>>I maintain that any system where people know that an accidental
>>>pregnancy will result in their having to get married will discourage
>>>fornication.  That's the way it used to be
>> 
>> 	William the Conqueror was the bastard son of the King of France -
>> one of the Phillips, I think.  Phillip *did* *not* marry William's mother.
>> 
>> 
> 
> That's right, provide an example that applies to everyday people.  A
> King is generally able to get around the rules a lot easier than
> commoners.  The system Matt Rosenblatt mentions, was in place for
> French society as a whole at that time.  It's not fair that the King
> gets around the rules, but who said life was.....  ==== Al Sparks

Didn't most Kings and the higher nobility have "the right of the
first night" where they could bed any woman the first night she
was married?  I don't know what the reasoning was, but I have
seen mention of it several times.  I believe this was still in
effect when William was conceived, but don't know if it was the
reason.
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: antoniou@buitc.bu.edu (George Antoniou)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Housing Problem-- again.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:42:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: antoniou@buitc.bu.edu

To all the people responding to my crisis, I thank you...  giorgios...

Today, while I was at lunch my landlord called work and asked to speak to
my director.  He proceeded to tell the director how bad of a person I am.
I just finished calling Boston Police.  I am going to file a harassment report
over the phone (they should get back to me in an hour).  What else can I do
about this problem...?  I have been lenient on my landlord by not filing theft
and criminal charges against her for locking my bike...  But he has gone too
far...  I am absolutely determined to file as many charges as I can.  
Any suggestions...???
What will happen if I ask the police to arrive at my home (which is also the
landlord's work office...?  Could the police arrest him...?  for harassment..
for theft...(locking my bike 2 weeks ago)?  I have all the harassment letters..

Please reply quickly...

giorgios [antoniou@buitc.bu.edu]
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Lawsuit to compel a fraud to run for President!
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:05:51 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <jf.9@pacnet.wesleyan.edu>, jf@pacnet.wesleyan.edu (JOHN FINN) 
writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.020754.10150@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
> dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:
> 
> >Yes, I forgot about Fed.R.Civ.P. 11.  The federal courts (S.D. Fl.) would 
make 
> >an example of the lawyer here.
> 
> One hopes so, at least!  Does anyone know what remedy the suit asks for?  I 
> don't want to believe any lawyer would really ask for specific 
> performance... but if so, that raises constitutional issues, I would think.

Probably couldn't get specific performance.  But they could always get that 
next best thing standby: an injunction enjoining him from running for 
President of any competing country!  :-)

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: a question regarding
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:34:42 EST
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Terry Carroll, in a message to All on 07-28-92 at 4:47pm, said:

TC>|I think Cal. Probate 6408 and 26 cover all the bases.  Cal. Civil 230,
   |related to the adoption of an illegitimate child, was repealed in 1975.
   |not sure if there is a replacement statute.  Cal. Probate 255 deals wit
   |status of good faith purchasers when the decedent was murdered, and I'm
   |assuming that that's not applicable here!
   |_______________________________________________________________________

               The decedent in question died in 1959.  I was re-
               ferring to the two codes in effect at that time,
               because it would be applicable to inheritances
               from his estate, and the section references are
               correct.  Although I am pretty sure the substan-
               tive law has not changed, I haven't done the re-
               search and would be surprised to find such chang-
               es, if any, were retroactive in application.  I'm
               curious, though, so if you care to look it up, let
               me know what you find out.  Start with _Garcia v.
               Rogers_, 34 Cal.2d 419, 210 P.2d 841 (1949), which
               was still good law as late as 1975.


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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Stare Decisis - ha ha ha
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.174246.8326@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.CJJ@forsythe.stanford.edu (Clifford Johnson) writes:
>tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>>When they really don't like the prior rule, they do one of four things:
>>1) follow it anyway, and make a comment in the opinion that the rule really
>>2) Overrule it.
>>3) Claim to follow it, but seize on trivial distinctions to claim that it
>>4) Declare that the decision is "confined to its specific facts", which sort
>
>The most common thing in this case is to ignore the rule, and simply
>not follow.  A summary sort of denial of appeal will do from the
>appeal court, and the trial court doesn't even have to bother with
>a coherent reason.
>
>That's how I got pre-trial expert witness fees awarded against me as
>costs.  Me, the opposition, the trial court, and the court of appeal
>all knew it was disallowed.
>
>No-one cares and there's nothing can be done about it.

If your briefs are anything like the analyses you post on the net
(citing cases that haven't been good law in over fifty years, insisting
that non-binding international treaties control the U.S. Constitution,
etc.), I don't have excessive sympathy.
-- 
                      ....................................
                      ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
                      the university of chicago law school 
                      official member of the cultural elit
Xref: sparky misc.legal:14915 alt.censorship:6330 talk.politics.misc:36128
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Using killfiles is a form of censorship (was: Re: A Modest Request
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:17:04 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <1992Jul26.041905.2844@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>I'm looking forward to Ed Nilges's argument that, if you're using
>rn, and you type 'n' after reading only one screen of an Ed Nilges
>posting, you're opposed to freedom of speech.

I believe that we do not have to wait for Ed's response to know what his argument will
be like; anyone who has read this thread for any period of time should be able to do a
reasonably good Ed impersonation.  For illustrative purposes, I'll try my hand at it:

* Freedom of speech is really a chimera because some people have "disinformation"
[namely, those who disagree with Ed on at least one point of his doctrine] and others
possess "information" [currently, this latter category is only known to contain Ed and
certain French philosophers whose pronouncements are universally applicable], and
"freedom of speech" obscures the distinction between the former and the latter.

* One's ability to actually press the 'n' button is contingent upon the power of an
individual over hir body and mind.  Clearly, this is an unequal distribution of power
-- why should you have more such power than the guy across the street (clearly your
decision of what to read will affect your citizenship and thereby impact upon him as
well, yet you allow him no say in what you read????)

* Hitting 'n' is "terrorism" because it "ends dialogue".  It's almost as bad as
tainting Tylenol (tm) for nonpolitical purposes.  Speech and conduct are really the
same thing.  And "bullets" on lists [such as the asterisks on this list] are what
actually kill people, despite what the NRA and ACLU say.

marshall "Ed, this is sarcasm; sarcasm, this is Ed" flax
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:01:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.205748.21342@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> ...
>Calvin, down here in the states the phrase "..." means "..."
> ...  Or, as Shakespeare wrote: ...

Calvin,
  I'm so glad for you that someone at one of our Ivy League universities
has assumed the burden of tutoring you in English.  If you pay
attention I'm sure that you will benefit immensely.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
Newsgroups: misc.legal