From: magnum@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:59:09 GMT

Okay, we've run this thread far enough from the r.g. charter....
I'll clean out the queue as usual (concatenating all posts now
in the queue), and redirect subsequent posts which do not relate
to firearms.   Cheers ---

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  From:           rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K Morrow)
  Organization:   Air Force Institute of Technology
  Message-Id:     <1992Dec17.165155.17393@afit.af.mil>
  
  
  The following is from "A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets," by
  Sgt James Eagan, NYSP (ret).  Although it doesn't cover the CCW
  situation, I thought it would be interesting to see what a former
  police officer has to say about the "right" way to pull over.
  
  Assume you're in the left lane of an Interstate, you are passing
  cars in the right lane, and the cop is behind you with lights
  flashing.  Eagan recommends the following:
  
  - Don't brake to find an opening in the right lane; cars in that
  lane are probably slowing down too, and you might have a police
  car in your back seat.
  
  - Wave to the officer with your right hand to signal that you
  have seen him/her.
  
  - Turn on your right turn signal, speed up slightly to complete
  the pass, and make room for the officer to merge right too.
  
  - Pull onto a safe place on the shoulder, and don't stop too
  abruptly.
  
  - Shut down the car, put out any smokes (in the ashtray, not
  out the window :-) and get rid of the gum.  Take off the sun-
  glasses, roll down the driver's window, and wait with both
  hands on the steering wheel for the officer to come to you.
  Turn off the radio/CB.  If at night, turn on the interior
  light.
  
  - Don't go for the glove box until you are asked for the
  registration.
  
  - Try to hold a reasonably pleasant conversation with the
  officer during this time, and don't appear to be in a hurry.
  
  In general, Eagan says that the two factors driving an
  officer's behavior are FEAR and EGO.  Minimizing the first and
  maximizing the second is your goal.
  
  						Bob Morrow
  
  
  
  From:           rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
  Subject:        Re: dealing with a police officer
  Organization:   Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
  Message-Id:     <1992Dec17.184348.4412@chpc.org>
  
  #      YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
  #What you forgot to mention is that you have the right to deny a search of your
  #vehicle, but the police have the right to impound your vehicle until they can
  #get the warrant (provided that they have sufficient probable cause) and then
  #tear it apart. Your "hidden compartment" would be found. They can take as much
  #time searching you vehicle as they need/want.
  #               Trust me on this.....
  #               --Paul
  
  Turning down a "voiluntary" search is tougher than you might imagine.  I 
  spoke to the victim of a NJ request for a "voluntary" search because he 
  "looked like a drug dealer".  He politely declined, and was told that 
  they would impound his car; search it; and return it to him if no 
  contraband was found - but that he would have to pay all towing and
  storage fees, and would wait several days for his car.  He was then
  given an opportunity to "reconsider" his refusal of a voluntary search.
  The cop found nothing except comp guns & match brochures, thanked him
  for his time, and sent him on his way.
  
                                          rob b.