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From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:40:19 GMT


 In article 5555 bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
 writes :

 >Apparently, because he (Debabrata Biswas)had the courage to interpret   
 >Tagore in his own way . Which means that he would sometimes take liberties
 >with the music, and sing these songs in a slightly different
 >way from how they are normally sung. For example, his rendering
 >of "Megher porey megh jomeychhe" which I happen to have near me
 >at this moment is *quite* different from the way this song is normally
 >sung. 

 >In West Bengal, any recording of Rabindrasangeet needs to have the 
 >approval of an entity called a Sangeet Board which is under the 
 >auspices of Viswa Bharati University at Shantiniketan. Apparently
 >Rabindrasangeet purists at Shantiniketan weren't too happy with
 >the way Biswas was taking "liberties" with the songs and hence the
 >blacklisting. 

 >I have no doubt that Tagore , had he been alive , would have 
 >approved of Biswas's rendering of his songs. For Tagore himself
 >was a restless experimenter who didn't have much patience 
 >with purists .....

 Before I say why I would disagree with some of Sayan's views, let me
 mention that I am no less a fan of Debabrata Biswas than possibly Sayan
 is and I am not even trying to pass a judgement on Biswas' style of 
 rendering Rabindrasangeet.
	As we know and is also mentioned in the excerpt above, Biswas
 did take liberties with the music in fact quite often. My point is,
 all Rabindrasangeet singers are not Biswas and unless there is some
 kind of monitoring and checking (for at least a few decades or so) on 
 the lyric and music of Rabindrasangeet, these "liberties" may lead to
 undesirable and indelible distortions on such a magnificent cultural 
 heritage.  
	Secondly, don't you think that Tagore experimenting with his 
 creation in his life-time is something different from others doing it
 after his death! If yes, then we should be more cautious in making
 assertions like "I have no doubt that .. etc. etc."

 Sincerely,
  Abhijit

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From: ahsharif@violet.uwaterloo.ca (AH Sharif)
Subject: Re: From CANADA to AUSTRALIA
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.120112.3237@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 87p1677@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>
>
>
>Assalamu alaikum warahmatullah. 
>
>Hope all the netters are doing well. It is nice to be back on the scb
>after leaving The University of Western Ontarion, Canada and staying
>over four months in Dhaka. It was a new experience in the University
>of Dhaka to see the arms battle on campus as a faculty after a long
>stay in Canada. Hope I didn't have to have this experience in a place
>that is suppose to impart light. 
>
>Hope to be in touch with scb as much as possible. Interested parties
>may reach me by e-mail through one of my D.U. Colleagues (Muhammad Ali) 
>at the University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia from where I am 
>posting this message.
>
>
>Shahjahan Khan Mukul
>
>2/100 Bland St.
>Ashfield, NSW 2131
>Australia
>Ph (02) 799 8116 (H)

Welcome to SCB Dr. Khan. Let us share your experience of Gun battle
at the DU campus through your detail posting on the net. We would
also like to hear about the polotical turmoil. To how far extent the 
rumour of BNP rule collapsing is true? Through grape vine, we 
heard that Ershad's party is gaining popularity. Do you think
he may come to power?

-Hoque
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Mailing list
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:24:43 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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Is there anyone who maintains a mailing list for people who don't have
access to scb. If there is I have quite a few people who would like to
subscribe. 

Some one asked about AIDS figure. The government has identified 6
cases of full blown AIDS or people who are HIV +. Doctors estimate the
number of people who are HIV + to be much higher. Given the quality of
blood in our blood banks there is potential for something breaking out
in epidemic proportions.

Saif
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From: mahmud-mehdi@CS.YALE.EDU (Mehdi Mahmud)
Subject: THE GOLDEN RULES
Organization: Yale Center for the Advancement of Cynicism
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:27:16 GMT


In article <66603@cup.portal.com> Hassan@cup.portal.com (Hassan Monu Alam) writes:
>>THREE NOT-SO-GOLDEN-RULES OF SCB:
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>1.      If you offend me, I'll offend you.
>>2.      If you attack my culture, I'll attack yours.
>>3.      If you criticize my religion, I'll criticize yours.
>>

>
>An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
>
>Speak for yourself fella.
>
>Hassan

	Er, as far as I can recall, I don't think I said: "If you
offend Mr. Hassan Monu Alam, then Mr. Hassan Monu Alam will offend
you."

	I believe I used the personal pronouns "I" and "me". The last
time I checked, they were still personal pronouns, not general terms
of reference to any Tom, Dick, or Hassan. :)

	BTW, my name is Asif... NOT "fella."  At least part of the
purpose of attaching a signature file is to avoid being called a
"fella," however well meaning the term may be. Capiche? (<- I got that
one from Famin :))
-- 
~mahmud@cs.yale.edu		Strategic thinking is the art of outdoing
~Mehdi Mahmud			an adversary always remembering that he is
~P.O. Box 688 Yale Station	trying to do the same to you.
~New Haven, CT 06520.		   - Dixit & Nalebuff (Strategic Thinking)
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IIT Bullshit
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:02:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep30.180233.16678
Organization: The Ohio State University


In article <1992Sep30.125950.28436@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (ra
kesh.r.patel) writes:
>I am the only one getting fed up reading all this bullshit about IIT?
>From the sounds of it, you would think man would still have been up
>in the trees if it hadn't been but for the grace of IIT to save 
>humanity.  I am getting sick and tired of hearing all this bullshit
>from `IITians' (shouldn't it be IIT graduates??) about India losing
>all it 'gifted' engineers.  GIVE ME A BREAK!!! You would think that
>all of India's best minds somehow end up at an IIT.  Talk about 
>arrogance!!! With something like 850 million people, these upper
>class,elitist IIT graduates somehow feel as though they have some sort
>monoply on intelligence and ability. And poor, poor India. Won't she be 
>devastated by most of these 'IITians' fleeing to the West? What will
>become of her??? India! Without her 'IITians', she will be lost! You
>should be that lucky!!! 
>
>Rakesh 'IIT-Killer' Patel
>
       How many IITs you have killed? Last heard they were 5 and still
 are, I guess.  In case, you mean killing IITians, how many have you
 killed?
      BTW, if it is not intelligence on which people are given entrance
 in IIT, then what is it. 
     Also, what India needs is people of mediocre brain, who can keep
 on doing technical jobs  without thinking. Brain-drain is not a problem
 for India. In fact India should be obliged that by migrating IITians
 create jobs which will be filled by unemployed engineers from other
 RECs and also migrated IITians contribute to India by sending money.
 So it is beneficial to India both ways.
   Why everyone is bothered about IITs only. Is not the education 
 obtained by RECians and others subsidised as well?


Raja
>P.S. What the heck is world culture?????????????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: 2 questions : Shortwave radio recommendations
Organization: SETT Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:01:07 GMT


* Is Grundig Yatch boy (12 band radio, must be 10 SW, 1Fm and 1 AM)
  model no. 220 good? It is on sale for $79. how is the reception?

* I am in the DC area, can I expect to get good reception from AIR?

Please respond by email.

thanks


-- 

B.G. Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:31:39 GMT

rgopu@cs.tamu.edu writes:
:>In article <JMC.92Sep29124216@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
:>I think I can agree with all that Brijnandan S. Dehiya posts.  I didn't
:>know that the British ban on sati was instigated by Indian reformers.
:>I didn't even realize there were Indian reformers so early.
:>
:	18th century is early???? Hey we are talking Indian history here. :-)
:
:>Let me return to the original questions.
:>
:>1. Is there a world culture today?
:>
:	Dont think so, far too much diversity. There are IMHO certain
:
:>2. Is it substantially based on European culture?  The non-European
:
:	I doubt that there is something that can be called European
:	culture that could distinguish itself from say, Latin American
:
:>influences on European culture are secondary to this question.
:>Benevolence or greed or lack thereof also have nothing to do with it.
:>
:>3. Assuming there is pretty much of a world culture, what are the
:>exceptions to its prevalence in various countries, e.g. India, that
:>seem destined to survive?
:>
:	India should be viewed more as a threat to other cultures than
:	as a possible victim, IMHO. Till the 16th century at least, the
:	impact of Indian culture was tremendous in most of Asia. Today,
:	India is feeling the impact of a Westernized elite and
:	extreme urbanization, but still there is so much to "Indian
:	culture" and it is still so prevalent, that I doubt very much any
:	major damage in the near or long term future.

I think the reason that Mr McCarthy is raising these questions
is a result of insufficient coverage of world news in US newspapers
and TV and insifficient or lack of enough world history topics
especially those on "Eastern" history in US textbooks.  I found
that many of my friends from US exhibit similar ignorance of
non-US history.  

I am all for a better school curriculum in the US.


:>The reason for raising these questions is the American debate about
:>basing required college courses on "western civilization".
:				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:				     beautiful oxymoron. ;-)
:>--
:>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
:>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
:>
:
:Gopu
:--
:rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
:Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu

Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hungund@octel.com (Promode Hungund)
Subject: Room-mate wanted
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:54:14 GMT



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: Re: The people who told me to go south
Summary: rickshaw and the city of joy experience
Keywords: Rickshaw and the City of joy experience
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:50:20 GMT

The Finnish lad writes:

>When we got off, we paid him a third of the price his meter
>indicated as a punishment. He went mad. 

If I am not mistaken - Taxis and rickshaws charge U between 2-3
times the charge on the meter. The above seems to be a bit off a
contradiction or a fabrication or a recreation of exotic images in
your mind. I do not believe any rickshaw driver would let U off
paying 1/3rd of the meter.

I am sure U got the 'City of Joy' experience when U just arrived
with the one eye and one legged beggar taking U to the nearest
hotel to rip U off:)

By the way - If U have not realised - we do not need help to get at
each others throats:) We are champions at it. The North-South saga
and battles will always be part of our culture. The CIA, KGB and
other malicious agencies gave up and went home when they realised
that it was impossible to increase the intensity of these north-
south feuds:)

I sincerely hope your next visit is to Indonesia.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: sunder@gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Request for info (FAQ)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 16:35:10 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu

I am looking for a copy of the FAQ list that is often posted on the
net and available on some ftp-site that I am unaware of. I don't
know if the info that I want will be on the FAQ, and so I'll put
that on the net too.

I am trying to obtain the address of the firm that publishes the
Amar Chitra Katha series in India (India Book House??). I'd appreciate
it if someone could send me the address of the firm in India, or in the US
or UK if they have offices there.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravikumar Dikkala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Places to Suggest for Honey Moon .
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:26:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

u8903845@cs.uow.edu.au (Anil Sachdeva) writes:
: Hi
: I am getting married in January in Delhi .
: I was wondering if you could suggest me some places .
: I intend to go for one month trip .
: Thanks
: Anil

	I suggest you go along with your honey to the moon ;-)

	It is very peaceful out there, unlike this net.

	-Dikkala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli)
Subject: Re: $62,000 has been stolen.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:05:55 GMT


This is a horror story! Glad I don't have the amount to fall into
these traps/problems/frauds.

I would like to suggest to you that your best alternative is a
lawyer and a lot of bad publicity. But, remember SBI doesn't have
walk in customers like other banks. Most of them are of Indian
descent.

1) You definitely need a lawyer. Try to get one that will work on
contingency basis. Takes 1/3 of the award. You have a good case
but the established lawyers will try to get you and the banks.
Your best bet is to go for a lawyer who will work on the above
basis. The argument being, that he probably is trying to
establish themselves. These are good lawyers but they have to
start somewhere and you have a win case. Somebody just has to
commit to it.

2) Call up the local networks and try to get the one reporter who
likes to work on investigative reporting. One do it for the local
network and find a reporter in India which will be tough. But a
big Ad in an Indian newspaper. It will get a reporters attention
or atleast the critics.

I hate to tell you that you are on a rough road for a couple of
years but I think you have a good case and will win eventually.
But you have to have a lawsuit along with to cover your time and
frustration

Good Luck

I feel for you but I can't reach you. If only I were a lawyer. OOPS!
Ripoff Slim bucket.
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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 2
Date: 3 Oct 1992 00:49:42 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article no. <sdjfhjds> suren@ee.WPI.EDU (Surender Mohan) said:
>In article <1992Oct2.002228.28259@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>>
>>OCTOBER 2 - A DAY NOT TO FORGET
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Birthday of the "Father of India" Mohandas Karamchand GANDHI
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>You forgot It is Lal Bahadur Shastri's B'day too.

hey this reminds me a joke ( a nice joke )

the humor impaired can hit 'n' now



Q: why is gandhi so weak?
A: coz he is the father of the nation.



ps: remember that this is just a joke and i have nothing against
    anyone. no offense intended, just kidding.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan)
Subject: Re: Federal taxes
Originator: vijay@newton.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:45:55 GMT

In article <lckemeINNnej@spim.mti.sgi.com> timl@mti.sgi.com writes:
>
>Can somebody give me a summary of the tax treaty between
>India and the US , If there is one .

No clue.
 
>Also, is it true that people with H1B visa need to file
>1040NR for federal taxes ?

If they have been on an H1-B for less than 180 days in the tax year.

Vijay.
From: rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: FACING UP TO THE TRUTH(M.V.Kamath's article)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:11:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.wpi.edu
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uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
: In article <92273.121813DXA4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXA4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
: >What the Brahmins as protectors of their culture achieved in those days has
: >never been properly recorded, probably because a considerable number of people
: >belonging precisely to this class had been slaughtered. If success was obtained
: >in preserving Hindu culture in the hell of the first Islamic centuries, the
: >credit goes undoubtedly to the brahmins..."
: 
: Brahmins never protected the only remaining vestiges of ancient
: hindu india (namely the south).  It was the united courage and
: brilliance of various warriors.  If you read any text on south
: indian history that details the vijayanagara empire, you will
: find that these warriors came from ALL castes-- not just
: the kshatriyas (who obviosly, made up the majority).  To what
: extant brahminism (NOT the brahmnana caste-people --- note the
: difference) helped in preserving culture during time of
: great danger, is debateable.  But, ofcourse, everone knows brahminism
: was the cause of status-quo-ism during relatively peaceful times...
: 
: 
: Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
: (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
: 
  Hi Udaya!

	The point of the article was not to emphasize that Brahmins did
  a lot. There was only a mention of Brahmins. But of course, he hasn't
  said anything about any stagnation that Brahmins caused. I think that
  he should have referred at least in the passing.

  Rajesh Raman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Keywords: jokes
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:40:42 GMT

In article <23467@optima.cs.arizona.edu> lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun) writes:
>What is worse then a Doki in the blender?
>A Doki on the net.
>
>A. Lal
>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-)
>

What is worse than a Doki on the net ?

A Doki and a couple of chamchas on the net.

J Anand.

P.S. I am just kidding. ;-) Really.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran)
Subject: Re: Info Needed: Book on Rajiv Gandhi
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:25:07 GMT

The book "RAJIV" by Sonia Gandhi is not out yet.
There is 2 page review of this project taken by Sonia
Gandhi in the magazine "India Today" dated 15 Sep 1992.
According to this, the book is a 214 page pictorial with
a 8,000 word personal prologue. It is expected to be an
elegant and tasteful publication, printed in Singapore
with the best of materials.  The first 5000 copies are
for domestic market in India. Originally the book was scheduled
to be released on May 21 this year - 1st death anniversary of
RG.
I believe this is a labour of love!

:

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From: subrat@cirrus.com (Subrat Mohapatra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,ba.market.housing,ba.general,ba.market.misc
Subject: Looking for Roommate in Milpitas/Fremont Area
Keywords: roommate, bay area, fremont, milpitas
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:30:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.


Hi Netters,

	I am looking for a roommate in Milpitas/Fremont vicinity starting 
	from 25th of October.

	Looking for somebody who is already staying and need a roommate 
	or we could go and look for an apartment soon. 

	Would prefer a non-smoker, professional, mature, responsible and 
	easy going person.

	Please email or call soon.

Thanks.

Subrat Mohapatra

subrat@cirrus.com

408 945 8305 ext 7208 (o)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.history