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From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:51:57 -0500

In article <1992Apr10.201241.11477@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.164215.26309@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor) writes:
>> 
>>  I will have to agree with Paul on one point.  In Africa, at least as much of itas I know, matrimony becomes a defacto contract between two families.  In some
>> places the couple to be married have to take second place to the welfare and 
>> amicability of both families.  If the families refuse to see eye to eye then the chance that the couple will get married is next to zero.  To support this I 
>> have never heard of a couple eloping in Africa.
>


>Our servant, a proud Zulu male, fell in love with a Xhosa woman.
^^^^            ^^^^^
>They decided to get married. The seriousness of their actions
>rated on par with those resulting from a conservative Afrikaner
>marrying a black. His family alienated them and would not allow
>his wife anywhere near their farm. He always had to visit his
>family alone. The brides father, also not too impressed with 
>this Zulu stealing a Xhosa woman, charged a Labola (dowry) that
>was almost impossible for our servant too afford. So much so
                           ^^^
>that my parents actually help him pay it.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>However, with all these problems, they still went ahead with their
>life together, and now have 2 children. 
>I suppose my point is that you will find the rare occasion when
>African couples will elope in Africa.
>
>Cheers,
>        Peter Laing
>

At the outset, I should make it clear that I do not condone male chauvinism
very rampant everywhere in the world. But I think your parent's actions above
were more for personal gain (they were afraid they might loose a slave!
Besides, they would be acquiring another one in the process...) than anything
else!
The phenomenon you just described sounds more like one of the effects of
divide-and-rule practiced by the regime, where the superficial differences
between the various ethnic groups are sinfully manipulated.
And you sound as if your family has been very nice to "_your_ servant".
Maybe things should never change.....the slaves seem to be "proud" (not mad)
as well!

I should reiterate here that I find some aspects of man/woman relationship
back home a bit troubling. But I did not like the tone of your article,
especially the master/servant BS in an apartheid environment (or anywhere else
for all I care!).
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Malawi, U.S. urges Banda to set fre'
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:27:13 GMT

/* Written  1:04 pm  Apr 10, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "MALAWI: U.S. URGES BANDA TO SET FRE" ---------- */
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print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: North America
Title: MALAWI: U.S. URGES BANDA TO SET FREE TRADE UNIONIST


lilongwe, apr 7 (ips) -- the united states has condemned the
arrest of malawian opposition leader chafukwa chihana here
monday.

''the united states government views this action against
chihana by the (malawian) government in the most serious
light'', the state department tuesday said in a statement made
available here.

it has urged president kamuzu banda's government to release
chihana ''so that he may freely express his political views and
undertake political activity''.

chihana, 52, secretary general of the southern africa trade
union coordination council (satucc) was returning home when he
was seized monday by security men on arrival at lilongwe
airport.

there has been no government announcement of the arrest, and
western diplomats, several of whom witnessed the incident, said
they did not know where chihana was being held.

some suggest that he could be at lilongwe central prison or
makuyu prison, near zomba, where he was detained for over seven
years in the 1970s for his criticism of banda's policies and
single-party rule.

one diplomat told ips tuesday that western governments ''are
on thin ice. (chihana) is after all a malawian returning to
malawi and we couldn't protect him''.

however, there will be intense international pressure to
secure his release and promote political liberalisation in
malawi, which has been regularly slammed by international human
rights organisations for its appalling record of human rights
violations.

''banda has to recognise that the world is changing and he
cannot continue saying he will feed the opposition to the
crocodiles'', a western diplomat said in reference to a
statement made by banda in march.

the stick that the west is likely to wield is the
cancellation of aid to malawi. donors at the upcoming paris club
meeting on malawi in may, will make assistance conditional on
political and human rights reform, diplomats here say.

but with this southern african country facing a serious
drought which has seriously affected agricultural production,
humanitarian aid is likely to continue. (more/ips)


malawi: u.s. (2)

malawian police monday raided the satucc office here and
searched chihana's house. it appears government may be
attempting to build a case against chihana to be presented in
the supreme court.

according to diplomatic circles, that would be a better
outcome rather than charging him before a traditional court
where he would have no defence counsel. (end/ips/oa/ar/apc/92)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: melgosa@milton.u.washington.edu (Mercedes Perez-Melgosa)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:38:18 GMT
From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Subject: Re: de Klerk in Nigeria
Keywords: sushi
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.080739.17321@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> Kommandant de Klerk is in Nigeria now.....
> I hope he gets fed "sushi" and does exactly the same thing his good buddy
> recently did in the Land of the Rising Sun......
> 
With comments like that I can now understand why oom Tereblanche would
feel nothing to eliminate comrade Mandela.

Cheers,
          Peter.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
From: zengj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: To people who are from S. L.
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:20:29 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

a simple message 

" are there any sierra Leoneans out there contact willie nicholson at the 
e_mail adress: nicholso@jsc.nasa.gov".

I will appreciate u doing that for me if u can.

I owe u one.

Will
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 18:49:00 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
 <1992Apr8.142305.27944@mercury.cair.du.edu>

In article <1992Apr8.142305.27944@mercury.cair.du.edu>,
rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) says:
>
>In article <204543@unix.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
>writes:
>>
>>Recently there has been an outcry about my first posting on this subject from
>>people who felt that I am a proponent of keeping African women in servitude
>to
>>African men. While this   is far from the truth, I have observed that none of
>>the objections issued from African women, and I therefore take this as a
>vindi
>>cation of my views.
>


>This seems to be rather convoluted logic.  How many African
>women ever reply to postings of any sort on this newsgroup?  Well, none that
>I know of.  Thus the fact that no African women have responded to that first
>posting can hardly be taken as "vindication" of sexist opinions.
>

I took care of this one already.

 <Stuff I agree with Robert deleted>

>
>>  -Most people do not realise that the institution of matrimony in Africa is
>>   a contract between two families, where in the wedded undertake to conduct
>>   and treat each according to the norms stipulated by the society, monitored
>>   (but not interfered with) by and approved by both their families.
>
>Paul Mweene is in the habit of making sweeping generalizations about cultural
>norms in Africa, of which the above statement is one example.  I am no
>cultural anthropologist, so it could be that he is right and this is ideed
>an accurate description of marriage throughout the entire continent.  Perhaps
>other people can respond to this.
>
As sad as it seems, Paul is rather correct as regards to the institution of mar
trimonyinAfrica (at least to my knowledge).  In the countryside in Ethiopia and
Eritrea, some girls are wedded at about 12 or some even younger.  The parents f
inish this between themselves and in most cases while the men to be wedded migh
t have a say in it, the women/ girls don't.  Also for the most part, the girls
are wedded to men much older than themselves.  And contrary to what Paul says a
bove the parents do interfere.  A lot.

I can't believe though that Paul actually seems to condone this.  I mean, do
you realize the kind of agony thesegirls go through????  I have a friend right
now who was engaged at 11 (now 16) and she is absolutely desperate to get out
of this.  It was arranged by her parents.  The tradition in the societies make
it extremely hard for women to rebell against the society.  Consider this: a yo
ung girl in Africa with barely any education, no money (for the most part),  no
place to go, etc, what would she do if she refused to obey her parents??  There
are some rare cases where the women/girls do, and they end up going to the city
and either turn to prostitutes or if they are lucky they can be maids, nannys e
tc.

<stuff deleted>

Sofia
From: hutchnsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Blak Panther (David X))
Subject: Ten Tray - the new Nation Conscious Rap group...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:54:31 GMT

Jambo Watu Weusi,

     Have any of you heard of Ten Tray, the rap group out of the Chi?  i just
bought their album the other day (Smash Records) and it is goin on!  These
brothers mix nice beat trax with the ancient knowledge (like X-Clan), the
current knowledge (like BDP or PE) and the street knowledge (like Black Sheep)
and move it out.  Some of the cuts include: Ain't Nothin Like A Sister, Realm
of Darkness, Is This Blackness?, The Whole World is a Ghetto and Fight to the
End!  Thier video of their first release (i'm not sure which song it was)
should have been released earlier this month, so some folx may have seen it.
These Brothers are straight out the 'hood from 103rd St. in the Chi (thus, Ten
Tray), so they ain't about the bull.  i know the lead rapper, Aaron, and the
brother appears to be a "gentle giant", but can be hard core.  The group came
down here (Champaign-Urbana) last December and gave a concert as part of a
conference and turned it out.  i hear they are supposed to be back in May with
Sistah Souljah and others.  But, if nothin else, check this group out and see
what you think.

                       "Fight to the End!"
       
       Hetep.
           
          - David X


*SOJOURNER*HUEY*HARRIET*MALCOLM*ROSA*MARCUS*IDA*FRED H.*ASSATA*BIKO*FANNIE LOU*

     "This is a real revolution.  Revolution is always based on land.
Revolution is never based on begging somebody for an integrated cup of coffee.
Revolutions are never fought by turning the other cheek.  Revolutions are never
based upon love-your-enemy and pray-for-those-who-spitefully-use-you.  And
revolutions are never waged singing "We Shall Overcome."  Revolutions are based
upon bloodshed.  Revolutions are never compromising.  Revolutions are never
based upon negotiations.  Revolutions are never based upon any kind of
tokenism whatsoever.  Revolutions are never even based upon that which is 
begging a corrupt society or a corrupt system to accept us into it.  
Revolutions overturn systems.  And there is no system on this earth which has 
proven itself more corrupt, more criminal, than this system that in 1964 still 
colonizes 22 million African-Americans, still enslaves 22 million 
Afro-Americans"

                                               Malcolm X
                                               "The Black Revolution"
                                               8 April, 1964
                                               Palm Gardens, New York

**SHAKA*CANDACE*AMENHOTEP IV*NEFERTARI*TAHARQA*HATSHEPSUT*IMHOTEP*NZINGA*MENES**
-- 
                        PAMOJA TUTASHINDA!
                      (Together We will win!)
                       IZWE LETHU I AFRIKA!
                       (Afrika is Our land!)
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Zimbabwe, west using united nations'
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:51:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cdp.9204071651.AA11959

/* Written  5:03 am  Apr  7, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "ZIMBABWE: WEST USING UNITED NATIONS" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: United Nations; Africa, north; Europe, western
Title: ZIMBABWE: WEST USING UNITED NATIONS FOR ITS OWN GAINS


harare, apr 4 (ips) -- as the libyan crisis worsens, raising
fears of yet another war, the credibility of the united nations
and its role in this decade are being questioned.

the united states, britain and france have managed to get the
u.n. security council to adopt resolution 748 which allows the
imposition of mandatory sanctions on libya may 15 if the north
african country does not hand over two suspects in the lockerbie
bombing.

the resolution requires libya to:

-- hand over two men suspected of involvement in the 1988
lockerbie, scotland, bombing of a 'pan american' jumbo airliner
in which 270 people were killed and,

-- cooperate with a french inquiry into the uta airline
bombing in 1989 over niger, west africa, which claimed the
lives of 171 passengers.

sanctions will be imposed despite libya's assurances that the
suspects would be tried at the international court of justice
(icj).

reacting to the adoption of resolution 748, zimbabwe's
minister of foreign affairs said his country abstained from the
u.n. security council vote because it is opposed to the use of
force by big powers against small countries.

''we were also opposed to the creation of a precedent whereby
big powers can demand to try in their territories foreign
nationals such as the (former panama's president antonio)
noriega case,'' nathan shamuyarira said.

''anybody could be next and zimbabwe did not want such a
precedent to be created,'' the foreign minister added.

political observers here also believe the west is now using
the united nations as a tool to force smaller nations to toe
their line.

''the united nations is more powerful now than before
perestroika and that is because the western states are making
use of it,'' john makumbe, dean of the university of zimbabwe
politics and administration department told ips.

''the united nations was weak because it was a neutral body
with east versus west blocs. now, with the east no longer there,
the united nations is going to be more powerful because the west
will use it to implement what it wants,'' he added. (more/ips)

(story received incomplete)
n132
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 12:45:19 EDT
From: <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
 <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu>

In article <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu>, lmweene@athena.mit.edu
(Haachitaba Mweene) says:
>
 >Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
>They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
>African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!
>
>Haachitaba

I hope you will provide some evidence to support your statement that they are t
he most popular and most accomplished in Africa. The African continent has so
much beautiful music-- west African, east African, south African. It is not pos
sible in my opinion to say a country/region is more accomplished than others.
I wonder if these Zairean musicians are popular in West Africa, North Africa...
---
Akin Akioye
From: beshir@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Need E.african music notation
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:29:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Apr11.072913.1705
Organization: Mankato State University





	     I am looking an East African music notation books
		or in Midi notation format,,any sources will help 
                 please E-mail beshir@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
beshir          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.163807.17491@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.154919.8511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:
>
>>It is well known and established historical fact that blacks openly 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>participated and profited from the slave trade.  That is not surprising
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>considering that african society (like most other societies) considered

[lots of stuff deleted]


>
>MY! MY! MY! How can one mention "slavery" and "civilized world" in the same
>breath! Is this some PC or what? And where are the descendants of these
>Africans who "profited" a lot due to the slave trade? Considering the fact
>that the slave trade helped put America on the map, presumably some of these
>descendants must be VERY rich indeed today!!!!!!!
>

I would agree with your skepticism of the word civilized.  Indeed any world
which lets its children starve and uses its resources to build weapons of
mass destruction is not IMHO truly civilized.  However, I think its clear
that this is about as civilized as human society has become thus far.

As far as the "profit" which African members of the slave trade 
acquired, I have no information as to what level of wealth was ammassed
during that time and what subsequently happened to it.  That does not,
however, dispute the fact that African blacks did profit from slave trade.
I think it would be safe to say (based not on objective source, but my
own speculation) that the end providers in the slave trade profited
-far- more than the initial suppliers, but that is a matter of economics,
disgusting as they may be.

-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 297-8474----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks   "With friends like this,   
2nd year medical student		          who needs anemones?"
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: roy@cs.ucf.edu (Ian Roy)
Subject: Calling FGCW, Nigeria graduates
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: soc.culture.african
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:15:21 GMT


	Hi netters,

	I am an ex Fedgocol (Federal Government College, Warri), Nigeria,
student while I was living in Nigeria. I would love to get in touch with
all the FedGoColians in the US. I was there from 1978 to 1980 and used to
be popularly called "Achoko" and was attached to Independence house.

	Currently, I am located in Melbourne (not Australia), Florida.

	Looking to hear from all you guys/gals.

	Achoko

	roy@eola.cs.ucf.edu
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Southern Africa, Red cross appeals
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:43:50 GMT

/* Written 12:05 am  Apr 16, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "SOUTHERN AFRICA: Red Cross appeals " ---------- */
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print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: SOUTHERN AFRICA: Red Cross appeals for aid to drought victims


geneva, apr 13 (ips) -- the international federation of red cross
and red crescent societies monday appealed for international
assistance for the millions of drought victims in southern africa.

the geneva-based federation said it was only the first of
''several appeals'' to be made to red cross and red crescent
societies worldwide to help the worst-affected population groups.

''the whole of southern africa is threatened by one of the worst
droughts in living memory,'' it said in a statement monday.

the initial appeal was for 4.6 million swiss francs (about 6.9
million dollars) to help the zimbabwe red cross provide food
relief to more than 500,000 people in two southern provinces over
the next 12 months.

the federation said: ''we have alerted donor societies, and
through them governments, that the situation appears equally dire
in other countries of the region -- including zambia, malawi
(itself hosting nearly one million mozambican refugees), lesotho,
swaziland, botswana, and possibly mozambique.''

''what makes this situation particularly worrying is that we are
already trying to help millions of people still affected by
drought and war in other parts of the continent, particularly the
horn of africa,'' it added.

''and all this comes at a time when the changed situation in the
former ussr and eastern europe is putting an unprecedented strain
on resources,'' said stephen davey, the federation's director of
operations.

''much of southern africa is normally a train-exporting area. now
we will have to turn elsewhere, which means an inevitable rise in
the costs of all our aid operations in africa, quite apart from
the drastic effects of rising prices on the populations of african
countries,'' he warned.

officials said the first appeal for zimbabwe will enable local
red cross workers and federation experts to conduct a phased food
relief programme over the next 12 months especially to vulnerable
people in the provinces of masvingo and matabeleland south.

''in southern areas, boreholes are drying up, cattle dying, and
some children already reported collapsing in schools due to lack
of adequate water and food,'' the federation reported.
(end/ips/cd/jc/ln/92)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 19:43:17 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
 <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu> <92099.124520AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92099.124520AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>, <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu>, lmweene@athena.mit.edu
>(Haachitaba Mweene) says:
>>
> >Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
>>They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
>>African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!
>>
>>Haachitaba
>
>I hope you will provide some evidence to support your statement that they are
>t
>he most popular and most accomplished in Africa. The African continent has so
>much beautiful music-- west African, east African, south African. It is not
>pos
>sible in my opinion to say a country/region is more accomplished than others.
>I wonder if these Zairean musicians are popular in West Africa, North
>Africa...
>---
>Akin Akioye
>
Seriously.  I don't even know of these Zairean musicians (though that might be
ignorance on my part), but as far as I am concerned Ethiopian/Eritrean music is
the best :).  There are so many different ones that you can hardly call it Ethi
opian or Eritrean.  Anyway maybe you were referring to the type that the person
requested about.

Sofia