From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: D&D and Christianity
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 03:30:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.165426.29441@wheaton.wheaton.edu> kroth@david.wheaton.edu (Ken Roth) writes:
>****FLAME SUIT ON****
>
>In article <1993Jan4.230152.21701@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>Again, deleted cause you can read it if you so desire.
>
>THIS post was the kind of drivel I was referring to in my previous post.
>Kevin, in a fit of self-righteousness and 'wit', I guess, decided to make

Self righteous? Hmm, never been acused of THAT before...I kinda like it! :)

>personal attacks against someone who has different views.
>
>some reasons why his post is, at best, pathetic: 
>
>1)  The person he keeps flaming DIDN'T EVEN POST THE MESSAGE!!!  If you look,
>it was posted by someone who pulled it of another board.  So, some of your
>statements make no sense, and some of your 'please explain' words to certain
>statements (like 'I was rescued by Jesus) make perfect sense to the people
>that it was posted to in the first place.

I am fully aware that that post was a repost of something else from the other
newsgroup. I simply didn't feel like distinguishing between the two because I
*thought* people would be able to distingiush between them.

>
>2)  If YOU have a problem with Christianity, remember, you can't stand it when
>people write off your views because of what you believe.  Grow up, Christian
>bashing went out with Gay-bashing.  If YOU cannot tolerate other people's
>views, then you should NEVER expect them to tolerate yours.

 I DONT have a problem with Christianity. I agree with a large bulk of the
religion's moral philosphies (which are also found in almost every other
major religion in the world...ten commandments type stuff). My problem is
with all those religios zealots who wish to push their views upon others
against their will. I did NOT try to push my views on anyone...merely stated
them. Most all of my friends are devout Christians (some more than others)
as a result of my living in the Bible belt. I have never, nor will I ever,
try to force my particular religions views upon them or any other person.
They, in turn, respect my right to believe as I choose, and do not try to 
force thier views upon me.

>
>3)  I hate it when people repost 400+ lines just to flame, especially when
>they have nothing to say...

My appologies for the multitude of lines. The editor I use (emacs on unix)
is a bitch when it comes to deleting huge amounts of data. An I thought I had
plenty to say, maybe you just didn't want to hear it.

>
>4)  You, in short, as as bad as they are in every way.

Hardly. As I said, I have never, do not now, and never will try to _FORCE_
my world views upon any portion of the earth's huge population. However, there
are MANY Christian zealots (an no, they are not representative of the majority
of all Christians...no more so than Saddam Hussein is representative of the
majority of all Muslims) who have tried, are currently trying, and most 
likely will continue to try to FORCE thier views upon the whole of society.
I see it as my duty...the duty of ALL Americans to stand up against these
can of tyranical people in order that thier right to believe in the way that
THEY choose to believe remains intact. It is against those few people that
would try undermine the American way of life that I am whole-heartedly 
against.

>
>To everyone else.  If you want to understand more about what I am saying, read
>my last post in response to the original message.  Kevin basically did
>everything that will offend people who don't like AD&D (which, of course, he
>didn't want to do, he wanted to make them feel below his INFITE WISDOM!!!  All
>he does is come off as a Jerk...)  

Well, certainly talking to these people in a calm manner, presenting LOGICAL
and RATIONAL arguments has never worked (not in my experience...and yes, I 
have personally had these kind of people try to stop...FORCEFULLY...me from
playing D&D). Maybe shocking them...showing them how thier own little insane
rantings feel. Who knows, mabye _that_ will wake them up (though I hardly
believe it will...people tend to only hear what they WANT to hear...all else
falls upon deaf ears).

>
>Ken
>
>Flame away...
>-- 
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>kroth@wheaton.uucp  ||  uunet!tellab5!wheaton!kroth  ||  They call me Gryfalia  
>   "We believe, we believe, 'cause we felt it burning in our hearts"--77's
>  "He is no fool who loses what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose."

Kevin

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