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From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup hosts
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:26:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1k1cbsINN9fl@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>In article <9301211405.AA11242@cs.utexas.edu> JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU writes:
>>-------------------
>>their rules on pitch-widths just so that they could get one stadium over
>>another.  Reference: Selecting "narrow" Giants Stadium, New Jersey over
>>-------------------
>>Garry,
>>	They're talking about 6 feet in width and 6 in length. You must be 
>>joking if you feel that those 6 feet are *crucial* to the game. Remember a 
>>legal field is from 50x100 yds to 100x130 yds. FIFA recommends that all full 
>>internationals be held on field 68-80 x 110-120 yds.

>All very well, but those 6 feet either side will make a difference. A pitch
>68 yards wide would be considered very narrow in professional football,
>and somewhat constricting. I remember reading that Arsenal had one of the
>narrowest pitches in the English Premier League, and it's 71/72 yards
>wide. Playing top class football on a pitch 66 yards across is going to
>make it hard on teams with a good passing game based on wide players.
>Seems to me that it'll suit teams that like getting stuck in and hoofing
>long balls forward. Jack Charlton, Come on down!!!

Over this past summer, I went to Boston to see Ireland v Portugal at Foxboro
Stadium, where the pitch was slightly narrow, which was not such a problem.
The problem was that there was only four feet of grass between the touchline
and the stands -- no room to run up for a long throw-in!  The Irish defender
Mick McCarthy could do his normal looooong throw because he had no space.

I am not sure if Steve Staunton's goal was due to the narrow pitch.  [It was
scored directly from the corner, right over the Portugais goalkeeper Vitor
Baia.]

This is just something else for the Americans to think about when they plan
the pitches for USA 94.

Are any other non-Americans beginning to wonder about the Americans and the
World Cup?

>Bruce Munro.  <B.O.C.Munro@bnr.co.uk> (Note new address)

John

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From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:45:23 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1jmg94INN3mb@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, agd@bnr.co.uk (Alastair Doggett) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.114827.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930121092937.384@psy4.psy.glasgow.ac.uk>, RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" ) writes:
>>> Yes.I read Follow Follow which is a Rangers fanzine.The editors go to
>>The second article accused Paul Elliot of stirring up racial hatred at an Old
>>Firm game.  The author of the article had seen Elliot gesturing to a section of
>>the crowd.  His interpretation of this was that the player was pointing out that
>>he was the same colour as Mark Walters,an outragious act in the opinion of the
>>writer. One must assume here that neither player had received any racial abuse
>>from any section of the crowd (unlikely). The article actually began with that
>>classic, confessorial line "Some of my best friends are coloured...". Nuff
>>said.
> 
> The only reason I can think of for Elliot's action
> was that he was getting racial abuse from Rangers' fans and was gesturing to
> them that as Walters was also on the park they should perhaps realise that he
> would be suffering  as well as Elliot.  Your assumption that no racist abuse
> had taken place would therefore be completely wrong.  Are you sure the article
> wasn't condemning the racist abuse and highlighting this incident in order to
> try and shame some of the morons into ceasing their monkey chants ?
>
My assumption is that racist abuse was taking place and that Elliot was
reacting exactly as you say. I was trying to assume how the writer had come to
his conclusion, afterall,the article accused Elliot(!) of stirring up racial
hatred.  If Sandy or another was prepared to post the article then the whole
net could see that the article was indeed racist.  Just as the article on MOJO
was bigoted.  But we discussed that before and I think that you ended up being
rather insulting to cleaning staff etc.  

>   I have always found Follow Follow to be very right on when it comes to
> racism, naturally they like to take digs at Celtic fans and I'd expect no
> less, just don't try and pass that off as being religious bigotry.
> 
I'm all for Celtic/Rangers rivalry.  Rivalry is an essential part of football.
But I will always try to point out where I think it becomes bigoted or racist
or just plain socially unacceptable.

 Chris
  aka Sean Celticandfootballfansagainstbigotry
> 
>   Al who's going to West Ham next week for the first time in 18 months.
> 
> -- 
> Alastair Doggett.     <agd@bnr.co.uk>  | "A geezer who's out of order  
> BNR Europe,                            |    deserves a good slapping,
> Oakleigh Road South,                   |      otherwise there'd be anarchy"   
> London N11 1HB                         |        - Comms team code of conduct
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ###############
Keywords: new.newsgroup
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:24:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.010042.6383@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:
|>
|>dear english (scotish/irish/ect) fans please form your own group
|>(rec.soccer.england, rec.soccer.british, rec.soccer.whatever) and
|>make things easier for the rest of us.  there's no need for splitting
|>the existing group!!  ...just leave, the rest will be Ok!
|>
 [.. lots of stuff deleted ..]
|>
|>hope you'll consider this request and create your group soon. it has been
|>a lot of talk lately about this move (...but nothing happens ); just do it
|>w/o splitting the group and it will be deeply appreciate it.  thanks!
|>
|>
|>
|>r.mazzulla
  
 If you want to split the group, go through the proper News procedures,
 outline the mandate of the new group(s), how/if they will be monitored,
 who will monitor them, hold a vote, etc. In short, put up or shut up.
 
 If you do hold a vote, you'll be voted down. This group, of all the news
 groups that I've read, is the most enjoyable, most international news group
 around. Please don't change a thing.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:53:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.100234.3738@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>These days all the newspapers and soccer-magazines talk (or rather write)
>about the so 'fantastic' AC Milan. If you look at their numerical performances,
>29 points out of 16 matches, that seems to be true. But, have you been watching
>some complete Milan-matches this season? They are not that strong on the field!
>Not like in '89, when they played about the whole match on the half of the
>opponent. Nowadays they're somewhat lucky to score many goals out of not so
>many chances... For example the match against Sampdoria recently:
>Sampdoria far out the best team, but Milan scores twice and Sampdoria once.

I had the same feeling especially after the match your beloved played against
AC Milan. I didn't understand why the tv commentators and the papers were so
enthousiastic about AC Milan. I the match of poor quality and the way
van Basten played was annoying. Falling down time after time. But overall,
I think Italian football is overrated. I don't know if you have seen
the FA cup matches last weekend but I think the matches were great. Off
course there is so much going on in the world (Yugoslavia, Iraq etc) but
if you have seen Jimmy Hill and the other guys talking you know what
life is really about. 

Louis
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: FA Cup 4th Round Results - Sun 24th Jan + FA Cup 5th Round Draw
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:09:32 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

Since no-one else seems to have posted these:

Barnsley (2) 4  - West Ham (0) 1
 Rammel 3         Morley (pen)
 Redfearn                       Att: 13,716

Norwich (0) 0   - Tottenham Hotspur (0) 2
   	           Sheringham 2
				Att: 15,003

Sheff Wed (0) 1 - Sunderland (0) 0
 Bright
				Att: 33,422

Wolves (0) 0    - Bolton (2) 2
		   Green
		   McGinlay
				Att: 19,120

Arsenal v Leeds to be played tonight (Monday).

5th Round Draw
==============

       Tottenham v Aston Villa or Wimbledon
        Man City v Barnsley
       Blackburn v Rotherham or Newcastle
   Sheffield Wed v Southend
   Sheffield Utd v Manchester Utd
           Derby v Bolton
Arsenal or Leeds v Nottm Forest or Middlesbrough
         Ipswich v Swansea or Grimsby

Bit of bad luck for the smaller clubs, who've all landed up with away
draws, although Bolton might fancy their chances at Derby who's home
record this season is disastrous.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <B.O.C.Munro@bnr.co.uk> (Note new address)
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: WC Qualifying MALTA 0 PORTUGAL 1
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:32:24 GMT

That's all the info I have  MALTA 0 PORTUGAL 1
Not a very impressive result for Portugal (then again, Italy only
managed to scrape by 2 - 1 :)) Group 1 table now looks like this:

GROUP 1
                    Played  Won  Drew  Lost   For  Against  Points
 SWITZERLAND           4     3     1     0     14      3       7  
 ITALY                 3     1     2     0      4      3       4    
 PORTUGAL              2     1     1     0      1      0       3  
 SCOTLAND              3     0     2     1      1      3       2 
 ESTONIA               2     0     1     1      0      6       1
 MALTA                 4     0     1     3      1      6       1  


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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Home cities for Italian teams.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:53:40 GMT

yhartojo@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Francis Hartojo) writes:

>     Hi soccer fans, I have a somewhat unusual question for you.  I've been
>following Italian league soccer quite closely in this newsgroup and whenever
>I can on TV, but I don't know some of the teams' home cities.  Of course,
>there are some very obvious ones like:  Milan, Inter, Torino, etc., but what
>about Juventus or Sampdoria?  I'd really like to know their home cities in
>case they're playing their town rival, if there's any.

>     Thanks in advance.
>--
>+----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
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>| Arizona State University         | Phone:    (602) 921-1342              |

Well, the complete list (Serie A) then:

Milan                    - Milano
Inter                    - Milano
Genoa                    - Genova
Sampdoria                - Genova
Juventus                 - Torino
Torino                   - Torino
Roma                     - Roma
Lazio                    - Roma
Cagliari                 - Cagliari
Brescia                  - Brescia
Udinese                  - Udine
Ancona                   - Ancona
Fiorentina               - Firenze
Foggia                   - Foggia
Pescara                  - Pescara
Parma                    - Parma
Napoli                   - Napoli
Atalanta                 - Bergamo



See? It's not that hard! Most of the teams are named after their city.
There are 4 possible ciry-derbies, Milan-Inter (and v.v. off course),
Genoa-Sampdoria, Juventus-Torino and Roma-Lazio.


Greetings from an Italian soccer- and a Roberto Baggio-fan!

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From: ial@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Iain Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ibrox Flooded
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:37:21 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

I remember a game two years ago at Pittodrie,Aberdeen when the pitch was waterlogged
and obviously unplayable for an Aberdeen v Rangers match. However the match was not
called off with one of the reasons being given was that all the Rangers fans were on
their way and it would be unfair on them to call it off. What happens this week when
under the same circumstances Aberdeen are playing Rangers in Glasgow? SFA. A severe
case of bias methinks!

Iain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:36:40 GMT

We all will see just how great the "i gobbi" are when they get their
asses kick by INTER next wednesday in the Copa Italia!

-Dave

FORZA MAGICA INTER!!!
From: RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:58:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I have read the edition of the fanzine Follow Follow to which you
refer.In particular the Maurice Johnstone saga and the way in which
it would affect the traditions of the club,well you and I both know
that it does not matter who Rangers sign - they will always be
a Protestant club .The opposite also applies to Celtic who have
always had a strong affection for all things Irish.
But a religious debate is not what this mailing system is all about
and the Rangers v Celtic history is of no consequence to anyone
outwith Scotland.
From: tedwards@cam.nad.northrop.com (Tony Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: League Tables
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:37:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone have the latest league tables from
England including the lower divisions 1,2 and 3 
We need them in the colonies over here 
Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Man Utd for the Premier League Title
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:21:52 RSA

This is just a note to all anti-Man Utd fans out there who have been sending
hype on the bulletin. Manchester United F.C. will win the Premier League
title after 26 years. All the hype in the world wont stop the Red Devils now.
 
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ACCIES AND RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY/Nonsense
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:01:35 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan21.174858.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:


> 1.   I hate bigotry and 'The Gers' epitomize this sad psychological phenomenon. 
> (I have no allegiance to Celtic and feel that they too suffer from bigotry but
> in a more diffuse way: I think Celtic fans respond to, rather than initiate,
> religious prejudice. My statements here are based on having watched Accies play
> both of the Old Firm and observing both sets of supporters. I feel that Celtic
> supporters have a greater intrinsic interest in football, Rangers fans call any
> opposition 'dirty Fenian bastards' ie a senseless, spontaneous outburst of
> acidic hatred. Unless provoked, Celtic fans get on with the football making
> little or no conjecture as to the denomination of the opposing support. I know
> this is a sweeping generalisation, but it is my overall personal experience.)


	We've heard it all before and it's pointless bringing up this tired old
subject again and again to display to the whole world.  Everyone outside
of the UK (probably Scotland) is fed up reading about it.  One point though. 
You seem to make no distinction between Rangers and their supporters but if 
you'd open your eyes you'll find that changes have occurred at Ibrox over the 
past 5 years or so, even if the attitude of a *minority* of supporters hasn't.
Don't try and tarnish the club's name with generalisations like this.
 

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*The* University in Strathclyde,       +      cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk 
Glasgow,                               + 
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From: am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: 30 min sudden death
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:58:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfNAIHS00iUyEAQXAE
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

According to Visconti Marcello Alfredo, there will be a 30 min sudden
death extra time after a tie during the regulation time.  I think that
this new rule is stupid as hell.  If a game was tied during the 90 min,
all the excitement would usually be focused on the 2 15 min extra time. 
You would never know what's going to happen in those 30 min.  If they
convert it to the sudden death system, there would be no chance for the
losing team to catch up, and thus, loses most of the excitement. 
Remember the FA Cup Final between Liverpool and Everton in 1990 (I
think), which was 1-1 during regulation time?  Even though Everton lost
3-2 at the end, but they still had levelled the game at 2-2 during extra
time.  Now I call that excitement.  Losing teams trying to equilize
after conceding a goal during extra time.  So please don't make any more
stupid changes, FIFA.  The back pass rule is stupid enough.

Andy
From: gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Sheep noises again
Keywords: Aberdeen
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:36:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan19.174539@cs.bham.ac.uk>, ach@cs.bham.ac.uk (Alastair C Hume) writes:
> > 
> So the sheep can occasionally gub a wee team!  Cant say I'm totally impressed!
> I suppose as the sheep have had a less hetic schedule this season than Rangers
> with not being in Europe and that they haven't had the need to take the foot
> off the pedal when a few up - Rangers tend to do this just to keep the players
> fresh enough for all these laps of honour which tend to crop up about April or
> May every year :-)
> Cant remember the scored off hand but we put quite a few past Queens Park and
> Stranraer on the way to lifting the Skol Cup.  You know that trophy - the things
> you are supposed to be trying to win!  As for winning 6-2... well if you put the
> two Gers v sheep games together you get a score of 5-2 which is not far off
> 6-2 :-)
> 
> Ally Hume  |     There's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers
> Brum Uni   |     No not one
> Brum       |       and there NEVER shall be one

Where did you get "occasionally" from??. I think "regularly" is a more realistic word
to use. 
As for not being in Europe this season, well that is thanks to a certain Alex Smiff
(who led Clyde to defeat against Celtic). Aberdeen have been in Europe every year 
since the Premier League started up until this season so I think that sums up
Smiffy's performance. Hopefully Willie Miller can continue his successful run and
give us back a team which can emulate the "Team Of The Decade" in the eighties in
which Willie played such an important part. 

I cannot believe all the blue noses out there who think the sheep are crap whilst 
Aberdeen are the only team that are giving the huns any sort of competition for the
championship (as we did 2 seasons ago.)

Baaaaaaaaaaaa.

Garry.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Referee Fee Info Needed
Summary:  CORRECTION
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:10:51 GMT

CORRECTION to my earlier post follows:


In article <C1FAun.9Ku@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
<
<Here in Connecticut, the Connecticut State Soccer Association mandates
<$60 for referees and $15 for each linesman per match.
                      ^^^
		Should be $30 for each linesman.

<This is for the Connecticut Soccer League (open to all ages) and the
<Shoreline Adult Soccer League (over-30) and all state cups.  I'm not
<sure about the other leagues affiliated with the CSSA but I am willing
<to bet that its the same.
<
<Linesmen are not assigned to SASL matches, and probably not every
<CSL match.  I'm not sure if they are required in the CSL First Division.
<Linesmen are required for all state cup games under the jurisdiction
<of the CSSA.
<
<I know absolutely nothing about what High School referees are getting
<or Connecticut Junior Soccer Association referee fees.

-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
=========| Gresley Rovers Football Club ("The Moatmen"), founded 1882 |=========
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 11:44:27 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Arsenal - Leeds


The result last night was -

Arsenal  2 - 2  Leeds    HT (0-2)

?(long haired   Speed
number 11)
Merson          Chapman

A real game of 2 halves, Leeds should really have sealed before the Arsenal
come back.

reagrds, Sean