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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Bundled software (was Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:06:34 GMT
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <C1FLFK.G9H@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>Let's face it, Commodore's efforts to date in packaging software leave MUCH
>to be desired.... The A1200 is being packaged with Final Copy -- which isn't
>very useful because it isn't very good -- and DPaint IV, which is only
>useful to a small minority of people who are good and drawing and painting
>on a computer, and care about such things.

	This is bull.

	I will bet that Deluxe Paint is *the* best-selling Amiga application
program in the world.  If not the best, then it's certainly in the top 5.

	"Small minority" indeed.

>Commodore needs to get an Amiga system out that includes software useful to
>the majority, not the minority.

	Yes, it is totally braindead to package a computer with a word
processor and a paint program.  Not.

	Or did Apple do a stupid thing with MacWrite and MacPaint?  Sure,
sure.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fruitcakes and Politicians, was Electric cars and Al Gore
Date: 29 Jan 1993 02:36:07 GMT
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Anyone here ever listen closely to "ignoreland" by REM?

'Nuff said.

Greg

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:32:23 GMT
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This is an opinion on the Advocacy Broadcast System.  This is only
an opinion....

In article <1993Jan22.075242.21390@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Price?

Why, gee, ever heard of mass production?

>Hmm lets see, it probably takes 8 hours to recharge the damn car after
>8 hours of use, while it takes about 2-3 minutes to refill a gastank after
>about a week of use... which would you choose?  ("Though I could probably

8hours @50mph (avg) is about 400miles.  That's about the limit of -my-
sports car.  And yeah, that's also about a week of use.  Your argument is
slightly misleading there.

That said, you don't need to recharge the battery, you can leave your
battery behind and get a pre-charged one if you like.  Provided you had
an hydralic lift for the operation ;)

Batteries are probably not the best option.  My fav. is the fuel cell --
dunno how advanced the technology is, but it always seemed the better way
to go to me -- until we get more efficient electric line transmission,
anyway.

Like Gregory, I used Public Transportation until I got a job.  If I
continued to use PT, I wouldn't have time to program the Amiga ;)

>use a good ass-kicking, I think I'll go with option B")  I'll go for 0-60
>in less that 2 days, and a reasonable time between refueling/recharging...

Well, performance is bad, but the biggest problem is the electric cost of
the air conditioner -- that and the fact that most efficient electric
cars are butt-ugly lookin things :)
Forgetting about this important drain on the electrical systems of
cars during winter is forgivable, though I'm surprised some .au person
didn't chime in.

That's just off the top of my head.  I'd love to see the combustion engine
go away -- don't you think that having thousands of tiny explosions
happening within a yard of your face is generally a bad idea?  Nevermind
that half of the reactants are uncontrolled as to their contents (air).

Staying with a 100year old technology is generally a bad idea -- sheesh,
I would have thought Marc B. would have chimed in "GM: yesterday's
technology, forever!"

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From: cpb1001@phx.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:19:49 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <C1HH2K.JGr@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
|> kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie (Karl Jeacle) writes:
|> 
|> >abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
|> >>2).  Kindwords 3 is a scaled-down version of Wordsworth, but it is pretty
|> >>good already... we don't hear too much of it because we are living in the
|> >>States, and Wordsworth 2 is published by a British company.
|> 
|> >Sorry, way out... Wordworth 2 is published by Digita International
|> >has absolutely _nothing_ to do with Kindwords 3 (published by the Disc
|> >Company). Most UK Amiga magazines rate Wordworth 2 quite a bit higher
|> >than Final Copy II... apart from UK dictionary I see no reason why it
|> >can't be bought direct from US. Digita can be reached via...
|> >Tel: +44 395 270273, Fax: +44 395 268893.
|> 
|> You sure?  I have seen neither, but that's what I have been told.  As far
|> as the photos are concerned, they look very similar... you should Disc
|> Company's KindWords 3 isn't a scaled-down version of Wordworth?? 

I have Kindwords3 and I have a friend with Wordworth V1, and KW3 is definitley a
scaled down version of Wordworth. If you bring up up the about requester in KW3,
it even says (C) Digita International!

Chris Brown
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 - Why so slow.....
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:43:21 GMT
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fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.203154.24787@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
: > In article <1993Jan19.031658.29955@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
: >>While I would never expect the A1200 to keep up with a 486, I am disappointed
: > And yes, modern acclerated SVGA cards are faster than AGA
: > when the SVGA cards are running Windows. This is becuase many
: > of the windows graphics primitives are implemented in the
: > hardware on the SVGA card.

: 	Which cards, specifically, are you talking about and how much
: 	do they cost?
Well, the Diamond Stealth is one... I think it's basically any card with an
s3 chip...


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Date: 25 Jan 93 00:38:08 GMT+2
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen)
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In article ??? borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
> 
> Way to go. Now, they only need to get out the non-EC that I want myself.

If that EC means that there is no MMU, then I agree with you.

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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:51:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.232435.17272@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>My humble apologies are offered to any offended Amigans.

Apology accepted.  It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.  It takes
a bigger man to laugh at that man.  Bwahahaha.  (To paraphrase from
Jack Handey.)

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu


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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:12:10 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <torrie.727485924@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner) writes:
>
>>LC040: Great no floating point, no MMU, crippled caches -> SCRAP IT!
>
>  You're thinking of the EC040.  That one letter makes a significant
>difference (in price too, on old prices the EC040 was $90 while the
>LC040 was $158).
>

Sorry, you are right but still the LC is a crippled 040 due to no FPU.

>>You can be pretty to see the first 060 systems alredy this year.
>
>  To paraphrase Colin Adams:
>
>If the 060 is available in a mainstream system this year, I'll eat a floppy
>disk.  (well maybe only some of one :-) ).

He should prepare already prepare himself mentally for this task because I will
be around to witness this.

>
>>always leveled even on price. And also Motorola knows that they have to move
>>quickly if they do not want to end like Zilog (remember the Z80?).
>
>  Motorola's future in microprocessors for high-end computer systems
>is NOT with the 680x0.
>

And mine is not with Motorola but still the 060 is coming and its the last
680x0 product we will be doing for the Amiga.


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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:37:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.023707.3305@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.215002.23440@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>>Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi) wrote:
>>: >>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:27:19 GMT, davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) said:
>>
>>: David> Do you mean to say that OS/2 still carries over this cretinous, two-step,
>>: David> change drive, then cd, behaviour?  Why?  Even if they can't learn from AmigaOS
>>: David> (which Jerry insists they choose to ignore completely, since there's
>>: David> apparently nothing worth noting in it), haven't they at least looked at Unix?
>>
>>: Eh? Unix do not have separate "drives", everything is mounted under one root.
>
>But Unix _does_ have separate filesystems.  Because they're all mounted as
>part of one directory structure, the user doesn't see "drive" boundaries.
>But, some commands, like ln, only work within a filesystem, so the user is

Wrong command to use unless you refer to hard links, and almost no-one
uses those if they can help it :)  'ln' typically defaults to a soft link
which is nothing more than a path substitution variable :)  It works
transparently across devices.

even 'mv' is smart enough these days to do a 'cp/rm' if you go across a
drive boundary.

>made aware of filesystem boundaries in some ways.  Those ways don't include

Your average user need never be aware of the physical structure.

>changing directories - you just cd to where you want to go, regardless of
>what filesystem it's on.  That was my point.
>
>>Right, and thus, you don't have to change from drive to drive...
>>
>>Agreed, not the best example, but...
>
>Well, if you can think of a better one...  (VMS, maybe?)
>

It seems to me that AmigaDOS filesystems are set up like VMS (DEVICE:Path)
of course we don't SET DEF :)

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:43:57 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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>:  >: Also, why would the directory separator on its own be the root?
>:  >: (This also
>:  >: annoys me in UNIX).
>:  >
>:  >So that you don't have to exclude another character, like ":", from the set
>:  >of valid file name characters.

Dunno who wrote the above, and the thread has gone off in a different
direction, presumably inflammatory :-)

Personally, I like the idea of a separate character to indicate the
root.  Also, I like the idea of special characters to indicate the
current directory and parent.  In all three cases, there should be
no actual object in the filesystem with that name.  For example,
I dislike the existence of . and .. entries in the filesystems of DOS
and Unix.  Ideally, also, specifying a directory should require the
trailing slash.

The reason is simple:  following the above rules makes path parsing
simpler.  For example, you can concatenate any directory string
(like DH0: or DH0:foo/) with a file name and get a valid file
specification, with no extra code checking if a / is needed or not.
A quick check at the tail of any string tells you if it's a directory
or file.  Directory traversal programs need not make special efforts
to deal with the . and .. entries when recursing.

I'll gladly give you three characters that I promise never to use in
filenames for that.

stephan();

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:08:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.181448.27541@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Greg, I never said that "goto" should be abolished, just discouraged.  I
: think we agree on this, no?

Goto should be used as it was meant to be used, yes.  I wouldn't agree
that it should be discouraged--if the intended purpose is followed, that
isn't necessary.

Greg

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu>, David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
: : 	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm

: Public transportation, actually.  Milwaukee has a relatively decent
: bus system, though it's just a tad on the pricey side.  Anyways, this
: is the "happiest medium" I've been able to live with.  I don't drive
: personally.  Don't even have a license.  I've been able to survive
: like this for all of my years in HS and now at the university.

: : sure with such strong opinions you would never get in a gas powered
: : vehicle. Say, how long can you drive an electric car with the radio

: I generally don't.

: : and heater and windshield wipers and defroster on? About 2 hours? 
: : Uphill? 45 minutes? What if you want visit Grandma in the next county,
: : guess you have to buy a second(gas) car for those special occasions.

: Or you'd get an automobile that can do BOTH.  It uses electricity for
: short trips (An 8-hour drive in the city would drain the battery, and
: you'd have to charge it for 8 more), and then gasoline (but it could
: be converted to natural gas, safer and cheaper) for the "long haul".

: The car I was just speaking of _EXISTS_.  It's why I mentioned it.  I
: saw a report on it in some European show.

And the price of this wonder car?

Hmm lets see, it probably takes 8 hours to recharge the damn car after
8 hours of use, while it takes about 2-3 minutes to refill a gastank after
about a week of use... which would you choose?  ("Though I could probably
use a good ass-kicking, I think I'll go with option B")  I'll go for 0-60
in less that 2 days, and a reasonable time between refueling/recharging...


: Greg

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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:25:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.155319.1926@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

 > It would help if you had read the discussion.  Someone stated that the Amiga
 > comes with useful utilities out of the box.  I countered by pointing out
 > that Windows PC's come with a wordprocessor, paint program, etc.

Don't know about the US, but in the UK it's HARD to get an a600 without software -
typically a game, DPaintIII (not out for PCs), and a WP (Final Copy, I think).
There's your software.

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Move
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:27:32 GMT

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:


>On the same topic (kind of), is the colon the standard separator on the Mac?
>I've used the MPW shell (too much for my liking) and the only volume/directory
>separator it uses is ':' as in

  Yes, ':' is the standard directory separator on the Mac.
Interestingly, '::' refers to the parent directory.

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:14:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.114650.6763@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

<my grumbling about Clone keyboards deleted>

>	Speaking of keyboards, some clones I've used have the absolutely
>	worst piece of shit keyboards.  Fortunatly, the Amiga keyboards are
>	pretty nice.  What is a decent quality keyboard for a clone?

Alot of people really like the Gateway keyboards, but they seem to be the
size of an aircraft carrier deck.  I use Magitronic keyboards at work, and
we often refer to them as "Maggot-Ronics"...  :-)

They have a nice feel to them, but I really don't like the "clickety-clack"
noise that they make when the keys are pressed.  Apparently Clone users need
this sort of tactile feedback so that they can feel as if they are really
doing some sort of work.  :-)

My biggest gripe with nearly all Clone keyboards, which I've stated before,
is the position of the [Ctrl] key.  I often hit the [Caps Lock] key instead
and usually mutter a silent (sometimes not so silent) curse.  Also, the 
position of the [Ctrl] key is such that I have to unnaturally twist and/or
move my hand to hit it.  

<more grumblings deleted>

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
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