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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:28:23 GMT

In article <16865@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> beard@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Patrick C. Beard) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.141721.8209@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tom@arthur.jsc.nasa.gov (Tom Robinson) writes:
>"The Sign Of Four" has
>been my favorite. Does anybody know where the soundtrack to the show can
>be purchased? A friend of mine had the CD a while back. Even the theme sounds
>like something Holmes would have played.
	Musical Heritage Society was offering the CD of music from the series
a while back; they've since dropped me from their mailing list (didn't buy
enough stuff, I guess...) so I don't know if they still have it or not.
	You might make inquiries over in rec.music.classical
>
>Patrick Beard

Chuck


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From: edwards@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Edwards)
Subject: Re: So, which Holmes is it?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:05:00 GMT


Bout time Larry had a group ... one of the best fighters I *ever* saw
and still a contenter in my humble opinion!!! :-)
edwards@andy.bgsu.edu

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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:24:30 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

After watching the Jeremy Brett Holmes series, I'm spoiled for life.
I simply can't watch any of the other dreck that's been done...
imagine, a reasonably intelligent Watson!

-Joe.
From: tom@arthur.jsc.nasa.gov (Tom Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:17:21 GMT
Organization: Metrica, Inc.

For all of you rabid Sherlock Holmes fans out there -- this week the A&E
network is running Sherlock Holmes EVERY night.  I've always though that
Jeremy Brett is the quintessential Holmes... opinions?

Incidently... I've been wondering when this group would appear.  Now
then, does anyone out there like Lovejoy too?

THE GROUP IS AFOOT!
From: mvick@hp835.mitek.com (Marty A. Vick)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:05:52 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

In article <TORKEL.92Sep9172002@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.141721.8209@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tom@arthur.jsc.nasa.gov
> (Tom Robinson) writes:
>
>   >I've always though that
>   >Jeremy Brett is the quintessential Holmes... opinions?
>
>  I emphatically agree that Jeremy Brett is by far the best Holmes to
>have appeared.  Not only that, but his Watson - I forget the actor's name -
>is by far the best Watson.

I believe his name is David Burke. He makes an excellent Watson.


-MAV

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From: scafati@thor.med.ge.com (Victor-charles Scafati)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes,alt.sex
Subject: Sherlock's secret love-life  Was: So, which Holmes is it?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:06:13 GMT
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance

In article <1992Sep9.152835.13624@news2.cis.umn.edu>, kencham@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Deepak) writes:
[Cheers to the creation of the group deleted...]
|>
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Sherlock Holmes observed that ".. After you have eliminated the impossible, only the 
|> possible, however improbable, remains..". I, however, do not like to elimin-
|> ate the impossible. And so I believe, Holmes and Watson were gays.
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>

First I too would like to express my pleasure over the creation of this group.
I'd often wondered why it didn't exist.

Secondly, I'd like to talk about my reaction to the quoted .sig.  At first I 
thought "God, another homophobic net-child".  Then I got to thinking- what's
wrong with proposing this theory?  Not much, when you think about it.  This
climate of political correctness can cause one to leap to erroneous conclusions
I guess.

Now that I've said that, I'd like to debunk the theory.

Watson was married _twice_.  While this in itself does not make him exclusively
heterosexual, it sure does suggest it.  Moreover, Watson had a tendency to 
dwell on describing attractive young ladies- again, not the kind of behavior
one would expect from a gay man.

Now for Holmes-  If ever there were an asexual individual, it was he.  He was
constantly dismissing anything that wasn't persuant to his craft (art?), and
that clearly included romantic relationships.

I must say that Sherlock exibited a profound lack of respect for women.  That
theme reoccured constantly, but I don't think that that is evidence of a
secret sexual persuasion.

Now, before someone says "Lighten up, it was a joke", I will.  There, I said it.

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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:16:33 GMT



The recent series of Holmes Adventures is likely to be less "canonical"
than the past. Brett gave a very good interview about how they were fast
running out of original stories that were long enough for their format, and
the writers were having to stretch it a bit. He has high hopes that the tone
will be kept, and the stretching not too obvious.

In a similar vein, what is the opinion here on which is the best pastiche of
Holmes so far?

Suze
trifid@agora.rain.com

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From: gsouth@genome.wi.edu (Genome South user)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:01:06 GMT

Regarding Brett as "the quintissential Holmes":

Absolutely.  For once, instead of making Holmes look smart by making
everyone else around him look like an idiot, they've followed Doyle.
Holmes looks smart by hanging right out on the hairy edge of being
completely whacko.  Someone who's so far beyond us he appears
slightly mad.  I love it.

jcmill@eagle.mit.edu

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From: karnik@micro.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:07:28 GMT

In <1992Sep9.141721.8209@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tom@arthur.jsc.nasa.gov (Tom Robinson) writes:

>For all of you rabid Sherlock Holmes fans out there -- this week the A&E
>network is running Sherlock Holmes EVERY night.  I've always though that
>Jeremy Brett is the quintessential Holmes... opinions?

	Ooooh, thanks for the info! Gotta get home in time tonite :-)
Yeah, Jeremy Brett is practically perfect as our sleuth. Also, the Granada 
series is far superior to any of those Holmes movies around...

	Any nominations for the best of the short stories ?
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.161736.19248@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:

[...on Jeremy Brett as Holmes]

>	Well, I don't know about "quintessential"; he's certainly one of
>the better ones to hit the screen, although for me the strongest things
>about the Granada adaptations have been the production values and the actors
>who have played Watson.  IMHO, Brett has tended to play Holmes as just a wee
>bit too eccentric.

But Holmes _should_ be played that way.  The character as written is not
an average man.  Holmes is preoccupied to obsession with detail and
logical connections and inferrences.  Anyone who's mind operated in such
a singular way to the exclusion of all else would have to be eccentric,
or at least seem so to the rest of us who are more "mainstream", if you
will.


>	The quality of the writing on the Grenada series has been pretty
>variable, by the way.  They've done some particularly fine adaptations ("The
>Solitary Cyclist" comes to mind) and some real stinkers as well.  I was
>*very* disappointed by their version of "Lady Francis Carfax", which just
>appeared on PBS this past week.  It was about an non-canonical as you could
>get and didn't improve on the original in any way that I could see.

I liked "Carfax" quite a bit.  Mostly because it was a very dark story.
Several lines struck me as particularly powerful.  For instance, when
Holmes realizes what connection he's missed, his eyes open wide,
and quickly fade while he glumly asks "what has happened to any brains
that God may have given me?"  Later, at the attempted grave-side rescue
when they find the Lady Carfax in the coffin, Holmes stares blankly into
space and whispers "I have failed..."  For the first time he looks
intensely disappointed with his performance in the matter.  He suffers a
sort of partial defeat.  I found this refreshing in light of the umpteen
stories in which he is, by the end, supremely triumphant.



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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Conan Doyle and Piltdown
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.143445.3849@ils.nwu.edu> wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis) writes:
>I have read in several different places that Arthur Conan Doyle may have
>been the perpetrator of the Pildown Man hoax.  Can anyone supply more
>details?  Why do they suspect Conan Doyle?  Was he fed up with the
>anthropology community? If so, why?  Why did he never reveal it as a hoax?

Would you mind attaching authors and titles to "several different places,"
please?  I've read a fair amount about the Piltdown Hoax, as it's a frequent
topic on talk.origins.  So far, I've seen no mention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
One of the principal dupes, though, was named Sir Arthur Keith.  The majority
opinion seems to be that the perpretrator was Charles Dawson, the "discover"
of _Eoanthropus dawsoni_.  Stephen Jay Gould is of the opinion that Dawson
may have been assisted by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, S.J., who later became
a prominent paleoanthropologist and who was present at the time.  There are
other suspects, too.

The hoax was perpetrated in 1912 but only conclusively exposed in 1953 (many
had their doubts, though).  At this late date, even the Great Detective would
find this case a formidable challenge.

-- Herb Huston



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Just say Know
	Re: Sherlock's secret love-life Was: So, which Holmes is it?
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:02:47 GMT

In article <boh.716098226@sfu.ca> boh@fraser.sfu.ca (Changhao Boh) writes:
>Hmm.. I know he married the heroin of "The Sign of Four"

No, it wasn't the heroin. It was the cocaine...
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From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Sep9.170552.25326@ra.oc.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.170552.25326@ra.oc.com> mvick@hp835.mitek.com 
(Marty A. Vick) writes:

   >I believe his name is David Burke. He makes an excellent Watson.

  Hmm..this doesn't sound familiar. As I think of it, I think the actor
playing Watson to Jeremy Brett's Holmes is called Hardwick or Hardwicke.
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From: boh@fraser.sfu.ca (Changhao Boh)
Subject: Re: My favorite edition
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:06:22 GMT

> big green hardcover.  8.5" x 12", and I remember it being
> >incredibly inexpensive (i.e. < $20).  The paper's kind of
> >cheapish and thin.  The publisher is Mallard Press,
> >ISBN: 0-792-45415-4. It's called "The Original Illustrated
> >`STRAND' Sherlock Holmes: The Complete Facsimile Edition."
> >It's *lovely* to have all the stories in their original
> >double-column type with *all* the illustrations.
> I've never seen one of these 'original' editions that actually
> contained all 54 of the stories plus the 4 short novels.  Is this
> one complete?

Well, I dunno about those having double colunms, but I've seen several versions
containing the original "Strand"'s illustrations.  Those illustrations are
indeed good.  I've seen these selling at the local Coles and W.H Smiths at
less than CAN$20.

Good Health.

Changhao.
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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: So, which Holmes is it?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.185204.28101@news2.cis.umn.edu> kencham@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Deepak) writes:
>|> >
>|> 
>
>Okay !!!!! For starters, here are a couple of Qs. about him
>
>a. What's SH's full name ?
	Just Sherlock Holmes, as I recall (but I may be recalling wrong).
>b. SH claims to be related to a famous painter. Name him
	Vernet.  Can't recall the first name. ("Art in the blood.." and all
that)
>c. Holmes was married. ( Yup ! Its implied ). Can you give the approx.
>   period when he got married ( i.e before _Study in Scarlet_, between
>   the Watson years,or later ..). If anyone knows his wife's name or her
>   whereabouts, please expound ..... (I dunno :( )
	THIS one you're going to have to justify.  I don't recall anything
in the Canon that actually implies this and it's certainly never stated.
How did you come to this conclusion? ("Data!  I must have data!") >:-)>

>d. Which of the short stories, was ACD's personal favorites ?
>
	I believe it was "Speckled Band" but I wouldn't swear to that.
>
>Can think of just these, off hand. More later, if there is enough 
>interest.
>
>\kerd
>-- 

Chuck
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From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Subject: Best Short Story?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: alt.fan.holmes
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:19:16 GMT

     I'm sure this will not be met with general approval as to which 
stories are best, but I like the following:
                    The Devil's Foot (title only a guess)
             and    The Lion's Mane

     The setting and culprit in Lion's mane really surprise upon the 
first reading, and the means of death and the result are surprising 
in the other.  Also I like the story where the prof turns ape-like, 
although I can't think of the title off-hand.

Vince Summers
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From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Subject: 221-B Baker Street
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:56:27 GMT

This may be a rather silly question, but oh well.

Anyone know if there really is a 221-B Baker Street in London and what is
currently located at that address.

Thanx...


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From: Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou)
Subject: Re: So, which Holmes is it?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
	<1992Sep9.152835.13624@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	<1992Sep9.162635.19583@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:07:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.162635.19583@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:


   >-- 
   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   >Sherlock Holmes observed that ".. After you have eliminated the impossible, only the possible, however improbable, remains..". I, however, do not like to elimin-
   >ate the impossible. And so I believe, Holmes and Watson were gays.
   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	   Well...sillier things have been assumed in the past by some eminent
   Sherlockians.  Rex Stout, you may recall, once claimed that "Watson Was a
   Woman" (in a paper of the same name).  It seems pretty ulikely, though,
   especially since Watson was married at least twice and Holmes makes
   frequent references to his interest in women ("Now, Watson, the fair sex is
   your department.")  And Watson frequently comments on the physical
   attractiveness of some of their clients.
	   I suppose you *could* claim that Holmes was gay, although it seems
   more likely that he was simply not much interested in sex at all.  Baring-
   -Gould postulated that he had an affair with Irene Adler and fatherred a
   child who later grew up to become Nero Wolfe, but there's not much evidence
   to support that.

   Chuck

Gee, all of you gang (I'm not talking to Chuck specifically) really have a
problem reading BETWEEN the lines, do you? 

1) The original poster said that he believes Holmes and Watson were gays
because he "doesn't like to eliminate the impossible". Please do make the
connection.

2) If you believe that his .sig wasn't a joke and that he really believe
his "gay" thing, well, OK, now you're able to believe that I'm a
reincarnation of Moriarty! You want proof? Easy: "Arch!" (or ask Data).


Please, do see a joke were there is one.

;-)

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From: srisu@ecn.purdue.edu (Sriram Subrahmanyam)
Subject: Re: 221-B Baker Street
Reply-To: srisu@atsp.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.232429.24117@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep14.215517.23652@njitgw.njit.edu> lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:
|> >
|> >	Nope, there is no 221-B baker street, but the London post office
|> > gets like tons of letters a year to that address from all over the world.

Actually, the Abbey National Bank which is housed in the quarters employ part time a person who replies to all Sherlock Holmes mail. In fact there is a compilation of letters (select of course) from fans from all over the world and the replies sent to them. I will try to find the title and publisher.

srisu
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From: unixwiz@mcl.ucsb.edu (Silk)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Sherlock's secret love-life Was: So, which Holmes is it?
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:14:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.holmes

If I remember correctly, in one of the stories involving Moriarity, Holmes
was in love with a young lady...anyone remember which one?

Silk
unixwiz@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
From: camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cindy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Baker Street (comic)
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:46:52 GMT
Organization: UB


Hmmm...this newsgroup just popped up in my .newsrc and
I wondered if anyone out there has seen the comic
'Baker Street' which is kind of a 70's punk dyke 
version of Sherlock Holmes (no direct adaptations of
any of Conan Doyles' stories.)  What I'm looking for
is a complete listing of any segments of the series
that came out, on their own or in collections of other
stuff, and since I'm located in the united states
my access to it's all a bit limited.  I'd be willing
to pay postage and the cover price etc. to anyone located
in Great Britain who could pick me up what I may have
missed; addresses I could order from would be great too.
I realize this is a bit off-subject but I've been a Sherlock Holmes
nut for years and I also enjoyed this comic so if
anyone had any comments/information on that I'd greatly
appreciate it....

Funny how they're offering the whole Holmes tv series
for about $100 when anyone with a vcr and some blank
tapes could have it for substantially less.  :)  
I don't think I've missed one of those (viewing not
taping.)  

Cynthia Murphy      camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Govindaraju Rao)
Subject: Best Short Story (was: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:07:12 GMT


In article <karnik.716054848@micro> karnik@micro.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>
>	Any nominations for the best of the short stories ?

Larry Huntley writes:
>>	I'll open with "The Speckled Band."
>>	- Larry Huntley 

How about "The Dancing Men" ?? 
My very first introduction to deciphering cryptograms. Made a 
Cross-word freak out of me. 
  
G.S.K. Rao <rao@ccm.umanitoba.ca>,<rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: A&E Sherlock Holmes Week
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:12:09 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Sep11.061539.1228@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
| Surely Basil Rathbone has Jeremy beat by a country mile, or at least
| several hundred feet.

  I enjoy Rathbone myself, but Watson in those movies is completely
unacceptable. Watson was a successful man, a war hero, and not at all
the bumbling dolt. It's hard to play a convincing Holmes to a totally
out of character Watson.

  After a bit of rereading recently I conclude that Holmes was more smug
than arrogant. Brett is a bit more arrogant and just plain weird than
Rathbone, and I think he strays from the true character.

  Of course the writing ("screen adaptions") wander rather widely, too.
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