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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:48:46 EST
Reply-To:     Denis Beauregard <beaurega@IREQ.HYDRO.QC.CA>
From:         Denis Beauregard <beaurega@IREQ.HYDRO.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Trying a new Gen. Software
Comments: To: jp@wizard.nrl.navy.mil
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What do you mean by ...each field... ?  In the GEDCOM system (I plan to
do something like LifeLines which use a GEDCOM based database), each
field is one line.  One tag for each line is obviously too large!
But if you mean one tag at the beginning of a list of data (contrary to
a database, a GEDCOM is a list of individual records and not a matrix
of row/column for individuals/item), this can be done and very easily.

So, I can do this.  A label SODA (SOurce of DAta) put like that:

1 NAME Denis /Beauregard/
1 SODA Re-use of JABE12.JAR file
1 BIRT
2 DATE
2 PLAC
....
1 SODA Added 25DEC1992
1 NAME Mary /CHRISTMAS/
....
1 SODA Re-use of JABE12.JAR file

Denis
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:53:32 -0600
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject: New GENEALOG files: Royalty GEDCOM
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Readers:

 New Royalty GEDCOM files have been uploaded.
 They are available now.

 roy92a01   Royalty Gedcom, part 1 of 9
 roy92a02   Royalty Gedcom, part 2 of 9
 roy92a03   Royalty Gedcom, part 3 of 9
 roy92a04   Royalty Gedcom, part 4 of 9
 roy92a05   Royalty Gedcom, part 5 of 9
 roy92a06   Royalty Gedcom, part 6 of 9
 roy92a07   Royalty Gedcom, part 7 of 9
 roy92a08   Royalty Gedcom, part 8 of 9
 roy92a09   Royalty Gedcom, part 9 of 9

You may select the filenames to request a file just simply send the
following line back to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text
of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

GET GENEALOG roy92a01

These files are 40k to 60k each, and all are need to make one good
GEDCOM file.     Their headers and footers must be removed and all
the files appended in proper order to make this a usable file.

NOTE: That via mail you may only request 350k per day from the
      LISTSERV machine.  The completed file will be about 470k.

This GEDCOM has been updated by Mr. Denis Reid, and you may
see his address in the following letter sent to me.

 > ROYALS.GED
 > Denis R. Reid
 > 149 Kimrose Lane
 > Broadview Heights, Ohio 44147-1258
 > Internet Email address:  ah189@cleveland.freenet.edu
 >
 > (216) 237-5364
 >
 >> In a message to Cliff Manis (cmanis@csoftec.csf.com)
 >> Denis Reid wrote the following:
 >> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 14:12:32 -0500
 >> From: ah189@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis Reid)
 >> Subject: THE ROYALS
 >> First of all,  MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 >>
 >> You may make this Royal GEDCOM available available to whomever.
 >> As you know this is a work in process and have received suggestions,
 >> corrections and additions from all over the planet...
 >> some even who claim to be descended from Charlemange, himself!
 >>
 >> The weakest part of the Royals is in the French and Spanish lines.
 >> I found that many of the French Kings had multiple mistresses whose
 >> descendants claimed noble titles, and the Throne itself in some
 >> cases.  I have had the hardest time finding good published sources
 >> for French and Spanish Royalty.
 >>
 >> If you do post it to a BBS or send it around, I would appreciate
 >> it if you'd append a message to the effect that I would welcome
 >> comments and suggestions and possible sources to improve
 >> the database.
 >>
 >> Thanks for your interest.   Denis Reid

Good luck to all, Cliff

Cliff Manis            K4ZTF           Manis/Manes Family History
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From: thompson@nde.unl.edu (norma thompson)
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Subject: Schatz near Chicago
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:36:38 GMT
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Summary: Rev. George Schatz descendants- desc. of W.J. Schatz
Keywords: Looking for descendants of Rev.George Schatz


I am looking for anyone who could possibly be related to a descendant of 
Rev. George Schatz, a ME minister from NW Missouri in the mid   1800's.  
His son William J. was listed as living in Chicago in 1902. I am trying to 
locate any descendants of William J. in hopes of determining more about my 
great-great grandfather, Rev. Georg's brother , Marcus, or John? I am 
trying to determine where in Baden, Germany they immigrated from.  we 
believe George came to US about 1845, but exact details not known.
Any help appreciated.

E-mail:  thompson @nde.unl.edu

Norma Schatz Thompson
Rt. 1 Box 83
Salem, NE 68433

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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:25:00 EST
Reply-To:     BECKETT@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
From:         BECKETT@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
Subject:      RE: Wall Charts from PAF (MAC)
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Gedcompanion is a Mac PAF related program. It takes a GEDCOM file and
one (of several things it is capable of) thing it will do is to produce
another file that is readable by MORE, which is a program that can
produce wall charts, especially when a number of generations are
involved. It also produces files that are readable by standard Mac word
processing and spreadsheet programs. Gedcompanion works as advertised
and seems bug free. Last August, I ordered it by land mail and it came
in about a month.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:22:08 CST
Reply-To:     Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      New genealogy program for Apple IIGS
Comments: To: Genealogy Discussion List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

I just saw a genealogy program for the Apple IIGS posted on the Apple
Listserv, if anyone has a GS and wants to try it.  I suppose it will also
show up on Comp.binaries.apple2, or it's available from the Apple2-L Listserv
or BrownVM.

Putzing along on my IIC, I can't tell you anything about the program, other
than it's there.

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From: cjt1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Charles Ten Brink)
Subject: Re: Library bashing??
Reply-To: cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:33:49 GMT

In article <28DEC199206571442@elroy.uh.edu> lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.221302.24915@compu.com>, fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes...
>>cjt1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Charles Ten Brink) writes:
>> 
>>>I have deleted.)  I have neither the time nor the inclination to set you
>>>or the other library bashers straight on some of the more bizarre ideas
>>>you have about libraries, for the simple reason that I see no duty to
>>>educate someone from the ground up about the varying missions of libraries,
>>>the complexities of bibliographic control, and our duty to the public (which
>>>you and others seem to quaintly define as "letting me have what I want
>>>regardless of its potential impact on others.")
>> 
>..rest deleted....
>
>You have got to be kidding.....
>
>I certainly hope you don't consider yourself a Librarian.  Because that is the
>whole duty of a librarian, to inform and educate.  Not in the same way as
>a teacher, but the idea is the same.  What do you think our mission is?  Do
>you think we exist just to be?  

In fact I *do* consider myself a librarian, and I am sorry that you see fit
to turn a disagreement about methodology into a personal attack on my 
professional integrity.  

>"I see no duty to educate someone from the ground up about the varying 
>missions of libraries..."
>
>Then what the hell do you do all day...sit around and pat yourself on the
>back at what a great job your doing....sheez!

No, I don't, which is why I am here on a Sunday morning.  (By the way, you
meant "you're" not "your".)  My point, if you were bothering to read, is
that I did not think it worthwhile to provide such an obviously self-
satisfied know-it-all with a short course in librarianship.  

Don't expect any more on this from me, because I have work to do.

>I really feel sorry for your patronage.
>
>Tammy Blandino

I think this speaks for itself.
--Chuck

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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: New GENEALOG files: Royalty GEDCOM 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:54:16 +0000

Oops, I purged away the posting with the access details of the Royality
files. I've gotten them down but cannot figure out what packing method was
used with them. Could some kind soul please help me out and tell me what
utility I need to unpack them? (I've tried ZIP but got zip out... :-))

Regards, Trevor.

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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:28:49 -0600
Reply-To:     Debbie Lynn Klein <dklein@TENET.EDU>
From:         Debbie Lynn Klein <dklein@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Lee Homer Fishback reply
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Lee,
        Thanks for your reply. I have used the LDS library  and I
apprectiate your help. Yep, this is addictive.  debbie
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:00:30 EST
Reply-To:     Marylyn Westervelt <QMW@NIHCU.BITNET>
From:         Marylyn Westervelt <QMW@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Book: GENERATIONS

Yesterday there was a posting asking about a book, GENERATIONS,
and if anyone had a copy.  I deleted the posting, and realized
when I got home, I had received a copy of this book from my
daughter for Christmas.  I don't remember who the original
poster was, or what their question was, but if he/she will
e-mail me privately, I will be glad to answer any questions.
I have only had a chance to quickly peruse the book, but it
definitely looks interesting.  The authors are William Strauss
and Neil Howe.  The book is about generational cycles, and how
each of us, depending on the time-frame of our birth, is part
of one of these cycles.  The cycle, in turn, plays a part
in how our lives proceed.
                                Marylyn Westervelt
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 20:46:59 -0600
Reply-To:     CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
From:         CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Mullins and Melungeon(s)

Dear Rooters,
        Another family I take interest in is the Mullins who lived
in Boone County, Kentucky (ca. 1850).  The Mullins did not talk much
about themselves, so record material is hard to find.  I'm trying
to learn where they came from, Tennessee perhaps.  One possibility
is that they came from a lost colony and mixed with the Indians.
These people are called the Melungeons.
        Has anyone on this list come across thMullins family in
Boone County and surrounding counties (i.e. Grant, Pendleton),
Kentucky (ca. 1850, sooner or later)?  Does anyone know anything
about the Melungeons in Tennessee and later in Kentucky?  The
Vanderbilt library has a couple books on the subject of
Melungeon(s) that I plan to check out when I get the chance.

Steve (CHINN@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU)
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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: GENEALOG Files: Royalty GEDCOM
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:09:53

In article <DKOZAK.92Dec30143403@augie.cray.com> dkozak@cray.com (Darryn Kozak) writes:
>   Hmmm... I think there is a standard authoritative reference for royal
>   lineage.  I can't remember the author's name off hand (Black maybe?).
>   There are a few volumes, two of which I saw at one of our local
>   libraries.  I'll try and get the reference next time I'm there.

There are lots of books on royal lineage, perhaps you are thinking of
Burke's.  Some of the older genealogies are quite suspect:

        AUTHOR: Anderson, James, 1680?-1739.
         TITLE: Royal genealogies: or, The genealogical tables of emperors,
                  kings and princes, from Adam to these times; in two parts. By
                  James Anderson, D.D.
     PUB. INFO: London, Printed for the author by James Bettenham, 1736.
   DESCRIPTION: 9 p. l., 812, [18] p. geneal. tables. 46 cm.

I guess once you get back to Adam, you're pretty much stuck.

=Jim
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Spouses, children, & software
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:30:08 GMT

PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET (Paul Lowry) writes:

>To Thomas Wetmore, IV:

>I would have to disagree with your definition of genealogy.  There are several
>reasons people choose to do genealogy.  One reason is to trace inheritance.
>In this case adoption is very important, since most adopted children are
>legal heirs to their adopted parents.

Wrong. Inheritance has nothing to do with genealogy. A will does. In any case 
that is a one generational thing and would be limited to the tiniest 
percentage of all genealogical research.

The very word comes from genes which are inherited - not adopted.


> Another reason, is becoming more
>knowledgable about cultural heritage.  Cultural Heritage is transmited by
>the families that raise the children not by blood.  Many people are interested
>in both blood genealogy and cultural genealogy.  I am studying both my father's
>adopted family and his biological family.

My father was adopted too. And maybe some day I may investigate the Rump name 
but in the meantime I have the real parents and their relatives to trace. 
Culturally speaking - there wasn't much either way. If you look back a bit 
most people simply struggled to survive.


>Thought I would let you know that some of us do require flexible software, and
>as a software provider (Thomas Wetmore) this should be clear by the ammount of
>discussion this has generated on the list.  We want software that will let us
>do what we want to do.  Not software that limits us to someone else's narrow
>definition of genealogy.

>     Paul W. Lowry, another crusty opinionated old fart...!

We want - a chant that can be heard across the mountains, while echoing back
and forth, with ever increasing intensity.

There is no piece of software in existance that serves all men equally well. 
It is one reason we have millions of different pieces of software. They all 
struggle toward the sublime.

Tom has contributed with renumeration what may be the best piece of 
genealogical software in the world. He has done this with the avowed 
concept of providing as much flexibility as he humanly can.  But - it his from
his perspective of what is genealogy. Someone else may wish to spend his time 
writing software from the cultural, non-genealogical standpoint. Or he may 
wish to write software for inheritance chasing and get 6 customers. I believe 
Tom has written for what he sees genealogy is in real life. Not everybody has 
the same view of life or anything else.

fred



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Date: 28 Dec 1992 06:54:22 GMT
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:34:52 CST
Reply-To:     Bob Boisvert <rboisver@ENCORE.COM>
From:         Bob Boisvert <rboisver@ENCORE.COM>
Subject:      Corrected UEL Address
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Just as a point of information.  I have a corrected address for
the Dominion Headquarters for the United Empire Loyalists Association
located in Canada.  This organization is for the descendents of those
folks that stayed loyal to the Crown during and after the American
Revolution.  The corrected address is:
     United Empire Loyalists Association
     George Brown House
     50 Baldwin Street
     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
                   M5T 1L4
     Phone (416) 591-1783

Their membership dues are $35 (CAN) and those from the "States" are
welcome and encouraged to join as Associate Members.  I spoke to a
charming woman named Isa MacDonald and she volunteered to send me
information about the organization.  I will post more after I receive
it.


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From: am681@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Dick Rose)
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Subject: CLARK/QUIGLE/QUICKEL
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:33:06 GMT
Reply-To: Dick Rose <am681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
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Seek the parents of John CLARK born ca. 1790 in New Jersey and
married 12-Apr-1814 in Williamsport, Lycoming Co., PA to Mary Ann
QUIGLE/QUICKEL. Died in Lindley, Steuben Co., NY. Also seeking
parents of Mary Ann QUIGLE/QUICKEL.

Dick Rose..

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:58:49 EDT
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From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Re: American-Canadian Genealogical Soc. Address?
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>Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:16:45 PST
>Reply-To:     berkovej@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
>Sender:       ROOTS-L Genealogy List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
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>From:         berkovej@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
>Subject:      American-Canadian Genealogical Soc. Address?
>To:           Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
>
>I understand there is an American-Canadian Gen Soc. in the East.  Does anyone
>know how to contact them?

Yes.  Their mailing address is:

        American-Canadian Genealogical Society
        PO Box 668
        Manchester, NH 03105-0668

They have a fine library, specializing in French-Canadian sources (but
including other Canadian records as well), located at:

        378 Notre Dame Avenue
        Manchester, NH 03102

Annual individual membership in the society is $20 and includes their
quarterly journal, _The Genealogist_.  Send application to Membership
Chairperson at the first address.  Here is what they ask for on their
Membership Application:

        Name of applicant
        If married, give maiden name
        Address
        City, State, Zip, Phone
        Applicant's birth date and place
        Name of spouse
        Date and place of marriage
        Applicant's father
        Applicant's mother's maiden name
        Parent's date and place of marriage

Prof. Roger W. Lawrence, cofounder of the society in 1973, is an
excellent speaker on French-Canadian genealogy, if anyone in the New
England area is looking for a speaker on that subject.  He spoke
recently at a meeting of the Middlesex Chapter, Massachusetts Society of
Genealogy.

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
From: mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      Library bashing??
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:41:50 GMT
Organization: A/UX Group, Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU> writes:
>It costs an average of $2 to $10 just to get one item accessible online.

Why? Does it cost that much to buy use of a record for a title from a
subscription service? There are many co-operative and commercial
services that have bibliographic services. The Santa Clara City Library
uses such a service to provide it's online catalog to the patrons.  Are
such "modern" systems not being used to catalog holdings, or are the
bibliographic services that expensive?  There is also the library of
congress catalog, which is available.  Even if you don't use the LOC
numbering system (yuck!), you could still use the LOC record for the
basic bibliographic record, and provide your own index number(s).

_matt
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