From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 27 Dec 1992 07:34:31 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Dec27.055500.14538@u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>In article 11347 of soc.culture.korean, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu
>(Jung S. Lee) says, in part:
>
>
>>Nettiquette is something arbitrary which is majority of people
>>agree on. 

Ettiquette, laws, customs, ...etc. all these are in the same group as
nettiquette also.

>>But you see that can prevent people from speaking out
>>on something which most of you don't like to hear. 

Nothing prevents you from doing that.  What nettiquette means is that
there is always a better way to express yourself nicely.
Why do you speak ?  Because you want to make yourself understood.
Just think about which way is a good way to do so.
I always have reverse effect, when I flame others.


>>Then how can
>>one expect to furfill his right? When you give one right to do
>>something, you give it all. If you give right to have abortion to
>>people, you cannot say, "Well, you can have abortion but you have
>>to have permission from your parents or your husband".

I think that your logic is somewhat misleading.
You may claim your right but not at the expense of other people's right.

We have seen on this s.c.k, that someone at upenn is continuously posting
numerours unnecessary articles.  You and he may claim that he has a right 
freely to do so, but I and many other netters have also rights not to be 
bothered by him.   

>  and a bit later:
>
>>It is one of highest law allows one speak what he feels and thinks of.
>
>  and later yet:
>
>>I have never thought that I would be free of what I said. But I prefer
>>that than shutting up my mouth. Any advice is welcomed.
>
>Well, Mr. Lee, I like your attitude.  You say what you want to say, and
>you're willing the take heat for it from those who disagree.  I think 
>your approach is far preferable to the "let's all be nice and not upset
>each other" school of thought.  Personally, I'm sick of all these self-
>appointed net police who think they have to tell the rest of us how to 
>express ourselves according to their imagined rules.

You've just shown that you are trying to be a police (in this case, a bad
police).  Why do you think that only you have the right to speak
freely and others don't ?  Don't they have the right to say, "let's all be
nice and not upset each other" ? 


>One of the reasons we don't have a lot of formal government censorship in
>this country is that we don't NEED to have it; most people seem to be
>pretty good at censoring themselves, much to the detriment of all of us.
>
>Keep talking, Mr. Lee.  Freedom is no good unless you exercise it.

Since every individual person is different, it is unavoidable that everyone's
freedom conflicts with each other's.
Freedom is only good when exercised without the expense of other
people's freedom.
How this can be achieved has been already studied by many other smart
net people who have many experiences with people like you, and
the result is informally called, as you already know, Nettiquette.

It is not an absolute rule set which suppresses your freedom of speech.
It is rather a guide on how not to trepass on others' rights and
how to resolve when your freedom and other's freedom  conflict.

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