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From: acb@moscom.UUCP (Amy Bourquin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE AMY THREADS!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:54:13 GMT
Reply-To: acb@moscom.UUCP (Amy Bourquin)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <1992Aug11.223642.3492@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
>
>Please, please, please, isn't there something else we could talk about  
>besides Amy Grant?  At least until Christmastime, when her new album comes  
>out and we can all judge this thing anew?
>
 Amy's new Christmas album comes out in early October so that only means one
 month off from Amy posts. :)

 I will post some of Amy's quotes from the promotional video for Heart in 
 as an informational post not as opinion. No response will be required.

 I have already seen the promotional video for the Christmas album and 
 there are secular Christmas songs like Winter Wonderland on it.
 Does this mean December is going to be a long month ?

 Amy B.
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? 
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:35:57 GMT

Distribution: world

andrew.j.whitman writes

> I'd vote for a new group if/when such a proposal comes up.  My own
> preferences would be for a soc.christian.arts or a soc.christian.culture
> group rather than soc.christian.evangelical, though.  I *like* the
> fact that a wide spectrum of theological viewpoints are represented
> on this group, and I think we'd find that a s.c.evangelical group
> would be the electronic equivalent of preaching to the choir.
> 
> If enough people want it, I'll cast in my "yea."  Having said that,
> though, I guess I'd really prefer to keep things as they are.  I
> plead guilty to any number of tangents on this group.  But I 
> post anyway, knowing that they are tangents, for a couple of reasons.
> First, the topics start off as music-related.  As convoluted as 

Here is a "bottom-line" question:  If such a group is created, are there 
many people who read this one who would NOT want to read that one?
If the answer to that question is "NO", then I see little need for the 
new group.  We would all simply read both groups, which would be more  
trouble than reading one group with lots of diverse threads.  And since  
there would be a lot of issues that would touch both areas, there would  
probably be a lot of cross-posting, further increasing the number of  
articles to wade through. 

So, if you are a person who would read r.m.c but not the new group, let us  
all know.  If such people don't exist, let's just keep it all here.
(I remember several months in a row in the Winter and Spring with hardly any  
Amy threads.  Maybe they'll die down again soon).
 



> 
> Andy Whitman
> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
> att!cblpn!ajw  or
> ajw@cblpn.att.com

--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:14:12 GMT

In article <65867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>
>It has been my (considerable, right Bob?) experience that those who are 
>aganist rock music or contemporary music (inc. country, etc.) start off
>with the assumption that 'the beat is evil,' that music controls your mind,
>that rock music (literally, no joke, i've heard this) makes girls pregnant
>and causes plants to die and makes your brain grow funny.  Therefore, based


Was it on this newsgroup that I heard this Larry Norman anecdote:

Regarding the (mythical?) study that found that plants grew better
when classical music was played than when rock and roll was played
(maybe the rock even killed them, I don't know), Larry says, "You
know what *that* means?  ...  When you play your rock and roll, 
take your plants out of the room."

John
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:42:30 GMT

This is my opinion:

Music is a tool, just like speech, writing, poetry, art, dance, and any
other form of creative expression.  It is the human behind the expression
that makes it moral or immoral.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: KKKKKKK Tonio K KKKKKKK
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:27:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.174015.9519@uoft02.utoledo.edu> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
 
>jason "now you've got me humming Tonio K!" steiner

And now you've got me doing it too.

>"You've been a prisoner baby
> Been a prisoner all your life
> Held captive in an alien world
> Where they hold your need for love at your throat like a knife
> And they make you jump
> Oh, and they make you do tricks
> They take what started out such an innocent heart
> Then they break it and break it and break it
> Until it almost can't be fixed...
>
> And I don't know when
> And I don't know how
> Don't know if you'll be leaving alone
> Or you'll be leaving with me
> But I know
> You will go free..."

You can call it the devil
Call it the Big Lie
Call it a fallen world,
Whatever it is, it ruins almost everything we try.
It's the sins of the fathers
And it's the choices we make
It's people screaming without making a sound
From prison cells in paradise
Where we're chained to our mistakes.

And I don't know when
And I don't know how
Don't know how much it's going to cost you -
Probably everything -
But I know
You will go free.

You can't see your jailer
You can't see the bars
You can't turn your head around fast enough
But it's everywhere you are.
It's all around you
And everywhere you walk these prison walls
Surround you.

But in the midst of all of this darkness
In the middle of this night
I see your truth cut through this curtain like a laser
Like and pure and holy light.
And I know I can't touch you now
And I don't want to speak too soon
But when we get sprung from out these cages, baby,
God knows what we might do.

And I don't know when
And I don't know how
Don't know if you'll be leaving alone
Or you'll be leaving with me
But I know
You will go free.
I know the truth will set you free.
Truth about who you
And who you were always meant to be.
You will go free."  

Man, I love that song and I love that album.  Anybody ever read 
Thomas Mann's "Tonio Krueger," which appears in his short story
collection called "Death in Venice"?  Our musician friend didn't
pick his name at random, and I find a lot of clues into his 
psyche in Thomas Mann's story.

>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
>`,`     "Stark raving sane." -- Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead     `,`
>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Aug13.144317.22359@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>
>I have tried reading and posting to soc.religion.christian... but for
>reasons I can't easily pinpoint, I don't really get much out of that
>group.  Its like my topics don't "fit".  Maybe there is too much
>doctrine discussed there? All kinds of historical stuff that are way
>too deep for me, I feel like I need a degree in theology to post
>there. Maybe I have a distorted perception.
>
>I do like the fact that we almost always work out disagreements here
>in a loving way (eventually ;), and I think we're getting better and
>better at it! What does everyone else think?  Why don't we take
>tangent discussions to soc.religion.christian? Do we need a new
>newsgroup?  Where would it belong? What should it be called,
>rec.music.christian.tangent?  ;)
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
>mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
>..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio

I have the same kind of feeling about soc.religion.christian.  Nothing 
specific, just that people seem to me to be more caring and feeling 
here than there.  Perhaps it is that that group seems to argue points 
with scripture, and here we discuss things that have a tendency to be 
less directly, specifically dealt with in scripture.  Better yet, 
perhaps this group is more involved with discussion than debate.  

IMHO,

Ted

-- 
"Am I a black racist?  No!  Not unless you believe in the boogeyman.  
There is no such thing as a black racist." - Sistah Souljah
         -----krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu-----
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shay B. Berthelson)
Subject: Help with the guitar tag to some christian tunes.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:23:28 GMT

Hey are there any guitarist out there who could help me with the
tabulature to D&K's "Don't stop the music"  or at least the beginning?
or any other tab for christian songs.



Thanks
Shay B.


--
******************************************************************************
** Shay B. Berthelson ******   Don't call me WHITE ***************************
** sbb1@Ra.MsState.EDU *****   I am Danish American **************************
******************************************************************************
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From: azamora@hexagon.cs.indiana.edu (Tony Zamora)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENT: Re: Satan as Heaven's Worship Leader
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:56:13 GMT
Reply-To: azamora@cs.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In article <1992Aug18.210517.8715@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu  
writes:
> On to my reference, though.  It is found in Isaiah 14.
> 
> The passage starts off in verse 4, which says "you will take up this taunt
> against the king of Babylon and say".  Now, even though this is supposedly
> said TO the king of Babylon, it is apparent later in the chapter that Satan
> is being spoken of - "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the 
> morning, son of the dawn!  You have been cut down to the earth...You said
> in your heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will raise my throne above the
> stars of God...I will make myself like the Most High" (vv. 12-14)
> 
> Give that this is in all likelihood speaking of Satan (after all, who else
> has attained to Godhood and fallen from heaven?), we come to the section
> of the chapter that is being used by those who make the above assertion:

Actually, I think this passage might be referring to man instead of to Satan.   
In Genesis 3, we find out that one of the reasons Adam and Eve ate from the  
tree was that they wanted to be like gods.  In essence, they were saying in  
their heart, "I will make myself like the Most High."  Of course, Adam and Eve  
fell from Paradise and were kicked out of the garden.  So I think it is  
appropriate to say that they fell from heaven and "have been cut down to the  
earth."

Any thoughts?

Tony
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:32:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Aug20.213204.9612
Distribution: usa

noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:
> >noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> >>I'd hate to be the one to tell God that.  He again and again
> >>condemned the Isrealites for fashioning idols (objects).  To God,
> >>anyway, these "objects" carried traits that he didn't want them
> >>messing with.  By the same token, musical pieces may just be
> >>"objects", but the individuals that made them along with their
> >>content certainly CAN be assigned traits.
> >
> >I doubt that it was the object itself that God objected to, i.e.
> >I don't think there is anything wrong with a statue of a cow.  What
> >he objected to was that the people were worshipping a false god.  
> >As you say, he condemned the Israelites -- people -- for making and
> >worshipping the idols.
> 
> Exactly my point, John.  Those that say music is nothing more than a
> bronze cow that sits on a bookshelf are deceived.

in what way? how does the "intent" of a composer more apparent than
the "intent" of a sculpture?

> Music is not some bauble that we take out and have no (emotional,
> spiritual, mental, take your pick) attachment to.

why not? and if so, what makes a certain piece have the same
attachments for all people? if it has good associations for one
person and bad for another is it evil for the first as well?

> Music can not be described as some object devoid of meaning. To do
> so is denying reality. 

prove it. you've made a lot of statements that you haven't backed
up. i'm not using sarcasm. would you at least do me the favor of
substantiating your claims?

jason "this is not real!" steiner

--
would you could you should you cross thru if i could wipe my eyes a blinding
compromise another pinky shave enlightens the brow now cow to die another day
if you prefer outside be blessed sir ostracize better bastard now forgotten
well instead of favored son of hell in hopes to open eyes - scaterd few, U
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Space aliens eat Amy CD's for breakfast
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:03:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.042143.11237@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN) writes:
>yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk) writes:
>: 
>: I've been reading this newsgroup for about a year and have come to
>: the conclusion that most people who post are crazed Amy Grant groupies.
>: Its getting just a little old. Let's discuss some of the other hundreds
>: of christian artists that are out there. Maybe we need an Amy fandom
>: news group.  Before this group I was under the impression that the
>: only music that my other Christian friends listened to was Amy, and
>: now I'm almost certain that Amy is the only artist most christians have
>: ever heard of. Someone prove me wrong! 
>
>    Crazed Amy Grant groupies.. nah... 
>
>    But I do agree with you that the topic is getting waaay to stale.
>How about a discussion on what we think a Christian musician should
>be... a Christian who's also a musician or a minister?  I've been
>thinking about it for quite some time and would like some other
>viewpoints.
>
>: EFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEFEF
>:  		    \ | /
>:  [YAG]--------------  * -  
>
>RodneyH

OK, here's one - I think John Michael Talbot is one of the all time
great ministers in Christian music - spanning across many different
denominations and nations and cultures. I think his example and
passion are incredible!

                       --Stacey
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:35:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug21.134021.4418@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.170543.2441@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>
>>
>>   An example I gave of "fleshly" is the urge you get to mash down the accelerator
>>   in your car when the heavy metal music comes on.  
>
>
>I think it's adrenaline, that wonderful God-given substance in
>our bodies.  I have the same tendency when singing "He's the Mighty
>One of Israel," for example.  (Hosanna-type non-heavy-or-even-light-
>metal praise song

I have the same reaction to singing along with Rich Mullins, "Our God
Is an Awesome God" or "Sometimes by Step."  That speedometer just zips
right up there.  I should probably just listen to Bach when I drive. ;-)


-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
            -- J. Danforth Quayle
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:09:03 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp. ASSD, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Aug19.144339.24915@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug18.215410.22880@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|> |> 
|> |>   Any person who has been born-again has the Holy Spirit within them.
|> |>   They should be able to discern flesh from spirit.
|> |>   I used to be "into" really hard rock quite a few years back.
|> |>   When I listen to "Christian" music that is is "fleshly", I can sense
|> |>   it.  When I listen to music that brings praise and adoration to God,
|> |>   I can sense it.  The question is, What do I want to listen to,
|> |>   that which is fleshly or that which is spiritual?  As Christians,
|> |>   we should choose spiritual things rather than fleshly.
|> 
|> Gee, ya gotta hate that "fleshly" Christian music.  Sounds like a disease.
|> What the heck is "fleshly", anyway?  And exactly what *Christian* music
|> do you consider un-spiritual???
|> 
|> ===================================================================
|> Colette George 			
|> Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
|> Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
|> ===================================================================

   "Fleshly" are those things that appeal to the "fleshly" or "carnal" side
   of your nature, spoken of by Paul in Romans 7, and Romans 8:4-9.  Like the 
   part of you that wants to mash down the accelator when the heavy metal
   music comes on.  Christians are born-again, which is a spititual
   experience.  The "fleshly" nature must still be subdued by the Christian.  See
   Romans 12:2.
-- 
             ==========================================================
            //  Bill Rawlins            <wpr@atlanta.dg.com>        //
           //  Data General Corp       "My views are my own"       //
          //  Norcross, GA                                        //
         ==========================================================
From: sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.C.A. Desert Island Quiz #2
Keywords: my reply
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:06:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


To get the ball rolling, here are my answers;


Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.

	Artist or Group				     Album
1. Commissioned					 State of Mind                  
2. PID						 The Chosen Ones
3. Take 6					 So much to say
4. Amy Grant					 Heart in Motion   
5. SFC						 A Saved man in the Jungle
6. Amy Grant					 Lead me on                          
7. Petra					 Beyond Belief
8. BeBe and CeCe Winans				 Different Lifestyle      
9. Katina Boyz					 Katina Boyz                          
10.Susan Ashton/Dynamic Twins (debut album tie)	 Wakened by the wind/Word 2 the Wyze


Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists of your choice;
which artists would you want to catch up on?

	Artist or Group

1.  Heather and Kirsten                 6. Katina Boyz
2.  Freedom of Soul                     7. Susan Ashton
3.  Commisioned                         8. PID
4.  Lisa Beville                        9. Dynamic Twins
5.  Amy Grant                           10.Transformation Crusade

Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the
best music from the career of one artist.
If you had  a choice, which artists would you choose? 

1. Amy Grant
2. SFC
3. BeBe and CeCe Winans        
4. Susan Ashton        
5. Commissioned        

Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear?

1. Commissioned
2. SFC

	
Scott Deering 
sdeering@athena.mit.edu					<><
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: bands like REM
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:45:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug16.211341.1@addvax.llnl.gov> rothfuss@addvax.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.034630.6296@cs.tulane.edu>, jlin@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Jonah Lin) writes:
>> 
>>  My sister wants to know if there is a Christian alternative to REM. She
>> doesn't like a singer with a high voice. Could someone please post some
>> suggestions?? Thanks.
>
>Try Adam Again.  Their lead singer (Gene Eugene) has similar low key drawl.

But be careful, Adam Again's music is much more involved, than REM's ever has
been IMHO.  So depending on her musical tastes, she may like it a lot, or . . .

AA is more or less heavy rock and moody funk, not unlike Red Hot Chili Peppers.

If she likes it a little slower, almost cornball country type stuff, she might
try Lost Dogs to start out with.  No, not all of the lead vocals are Gene Eugene
but the music is severly different, so you get a second chance if you don't
mesh with AA's style.

Then again, if she wants a low voice (some say he sounds like Leonard Cohen,
whoever that is) tell her to try Dead Artists Syndrome (also known as D.A.S.
and/or Brian Healy).  They have 2 discs: Prints Of Darkness and
Devils Angels Saints.

Of course Michael Knott doesn't use a wailing high voice either.  So she might
go for any of: Lifesavers, LSU, LifeSavers Underground, Michael Knott.

Gee, I envy your sister. ;-)

Tom (moeller@convex.com)
		feeding hollow point bullets to a hungry man,
		you got him praying for the cataclysm
		     Gloryhound / da / Kalhoun
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