From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: FILE: MILTON WILLIAM COOPER - Letter (LONG -39K)
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:41:17 GMT



This is a letter that Bill Cooper's stooge, Timmy Bennett
posted to the Fido UFO echo about 2 years ago. Cooper's
letter was in response to remarks made by George Knapp
during Knapp's interview of Bob Lazar. Knapp had earlier
remarked that "Cooper wouldn't know truth if it jumped
up and bit him on the ass."

I've taken the liberty of cat'ing together both Bill
English's and Mike Corbin's responses as they appeared
on the Fido UFO echo right after this letter was posted.

During this time, the original moderator of the echo, George
Adam Stanislav was on vacation, so the echo ended up being
just like the alt* newsgroups on Usenet..which is to say,
that it was a free-for-all. It's my belief that because
of the brouhaha that ensued during this period and all the
charges that went flying about "who is a Govt agent", that it
prompted Don Ecker to wrote his "Whistleblowers" piece
on William Milton Cooper in the summer editions of UFO
Magazine in 1990. In my opinion, Don did the definitive
expose' on Cooper and I would highly recommend the articles
that he wrote to anyone. Unfortunately, I don't have
UFO Magazine's current address, but perhaps Mike Corbin
who regularly reads this newsgroup may be able to post
it.

I post this every so often on the Fido UFO echo because of the
continuous influx of "UFO newbies" who happen upon the standard
Cooper text files available on many BBS's worldwide and who,
believe every word of the text as the Gospel Truth. My opinion
of the Cooper files is that if there's *any* grains of truth found
in them it's largely because he's plagiarized them from other
sources without giving due credit. Please notice I said "grains"
of truth, as you will eat LOTS of rock salt before you arrive
at the "grains". I would caution anyone getting into the Cooper
material to take EXTREME CARE regarding his claims. Please note
that "Uncle Milty" is awfully shifty when it comes down to his
declarations on "MAJIC" , "MAJESTIC-12" and "MAJORITY-12" . Also
bear in mind that this is the _same_ guy that claims that it was
Greer (JFK's driver) that delivered the "killing shot" to JFK
and who has made TONS of bucks fleecing the general public at
his conventions selling poor quality and highly dubious versions
of the Zapruder film. This is also the same guy that made claims
to having seen the "Krill" files when Bill English put that LIE
to rest a couple of years back. As a "bonus", I will tack on
Bill English's own explanation on the "Krill" files at the end
of this article.

At any rate, and without further ado, I present a small slice
of "Uncle Milty"...

**** Begin Bill Cooper Letter via Timmy Bennett ************************

Message #8941 - UFO 
   Date : 20-May-90 20:47
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp

OPEN LETTER by Bill Cooper-
TO MIKE CORBIN, GEORGE KNAPP, BILL MOORE, AND JOHN LEAR.
I have been expecting the government to launch an attack
designed to discredit me for 2 years and I have publicly
stated that I expected this to happen. It has finally
happened and what a relief. The governments cannon only went
....POOF.... It seems that all the buzzards except Moore and
Friedman have gathered in Las Vegas. How convenient can it
be? Mike Corbin, the all mighty high dictator of Paranet,
has just this week posted a crippled and weak attack leveled
against me by himself and George Knapp, Lear's man in
television and the only journalist alive who would go out on
a limb to support the phony story of Bob Lazar. As usual
Mike Corbin and George Knapp did not bother to do any
checking whatsoever to see if their ranting and raving could
hold any water. Of course that is the usual policy of
paranet and it is expected. It is not the policy of
journalists, however, and George Knapp should have checked
with me. If he was afraid to call me he could have just
called my board and checked the facts for himself. It is
George Knapp who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on
the ass and it is Lazar and Lear who are liars and frauds.
The Lazar story was reported to CAJI by a source in Las
Vegas who stated that "Lazar had been arrested". The source
was a man named Cory, a close friend of John Lear. Did he do
it to set me up? I posted it in the newsletter. I then asked
a member of CAJI to check the story for me and report the
"facts". This was done and the story in the newsletter was
changed to read that "Lazar was accused" only a few hours
later and that is the way the story has been posted ever
since as you can see since it is still posted. The members
of this board can attest to that. Another source verified
the story and all 3 mentioned that Bob Lazar has been
accused of running a drug lab. Since these 3 people stated
that Lazar was accused of running a drug lab I included it
in the story. Since they stand by their statement I stand by
the story. I wish to make it known at this point that John
Lear told me that Lazar had a speed lab somewhere. Since I
knew he had a jet car I thought he mean't something to do
with the car. I did not make the REAL connection with that
statement until Cory and others phoned the story to me. Two
other people have stated to me that Lear told them that
Lazar had a drug lab.
I knew about the prostitution involvement a long time ago
when at Lear's home I witnessed Lear, drunk as a skunk, call
Lazar and ask him to send a hooker over. Lear asked us if we
wanted a hooker. I told him not no, but hell no. The others
present also declined. About an hour later a hooker showed
up and lear and the girl disappeared for a while and then
they came back. I did not see what transpired between them.
There were 4 other people present besides me. She bummed
cigarettes off of everone and chain smoked them until there
were no more left among us and then she pulled out her own
pack. John Lear paid her a wad of money and she left. All of
us present were angry and embarrassed by Lear's behavior.
Lazar sent her over and we all heard Lear make the call.
Lazar and Lear are the end of George Knapp's career unless
Knapp gets wise real fast and I mean real fast. I'm not the
only one ready to spill the beans on Lazar and Lear.

Message #8942 - UFO 
   Date : 20-May-90 20:48
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : -> #8943

You had better believe that I would never post this story if
there had not been 4 other witnesses. Lear and Knapp have
left me no choice. I have many more tales to tell and will
not hesitate if I am forced to do it. I told Lear a long
time ago (June 1989 to be exact) that he was safe as long as
he didn't try to get any wilder with his story or try to
mess with me. At that time I believed that he was doing more
good than harm even though I knew he was Condor and was CIA
all the way.
That same weekend I was forced to remove a loaded, cocked,
45 cal. automatic pistol from Lear's possession after he
placed it against his temple and threatened suicide. I did
it once in the morning when we were alone and again the same
evening in front of 5 others who witnessed the event. John
pretended to be despondent because he was to much of a
coward to sign his name to the "INDICTMENT" that I sent to
Congress. I was not afraid John would kill himself. I was
afraid he would kill me or someone else during the course of
his ACT and it was an act. A stupid act and nothing else. I
was not fooled but I kept the pistol for several days and
still have the round that I removed from the chamber. I will
name the witnesses if it becomes necessary. In case you have
not learned anything yet let me assure you that you had
better not screw around with me unless you are willing to go
all the way to the wall and beyond because I'm ready to die
to get to the bottom of this and force the truth out of the
government. The preponderance of government agents involved
in this and the fact that everything that I saw, and only
what I saw, leaked, makes me believe that the technology is
real (saw a craft with my own eyes) but aliens may be a
complete fantasy. Aliens may be needed to create a new world
order. No more Soviet enemy? Here is a threat from outer
space. I feel used. I am very angry. I saw exactly what I
said and more. Not only that but they have taken great pains
to make sure I could see the same documents again just
recently. Either the information I saw is absolutely correct
or the government (with the help of Moore, Lear, Doty,
Lazar, Friedman, Shandera, etc.) has created the greatest
hoax in history in order to bring down national boundarys
and ring in a one world government. I have uncovered the
fact that an inventor made a saucer that flew in the 50's
without alien help. I still believe that the information I
saw between 1970 and 1973 is correct but I am now open to
the possibility that I may have been used. I assure you that
I will not be used again. The truth WILL come out.
Lear's involvement with George Green and the Phoenix
Journals to try to discredit me is what his phone recording
is all about. I told him in June 1989 not to try any funny
business with me and that is what the call was all about. He
tried to help the great con the Phoenix Journals discredit
me and I told him as a result that "I would crucify him". I
have done that by finally releasing the information that he
is Condor and as Condor has been working very closely with
Moore, Shandera, Friedman, Doty, and others. I will continue
to crucify him at any and every opportunity. I will also
crucify anyone else who stands up against truth on this
battle field.

Message #8943 - UFO 
   Date : 20-May-90 20:49
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8942 <--> #8944

Ask him to play the entire tape and not just part of it out
of context and you will see that this is the truth. He
probably won't do it but you can try anyway. I have stated
on many occassions that this is a war and I will act
accordingly.
The Stacy Borland story was reported to me by many people
who called me by phone. I confirmed the story through a Las
Vegas Psychologist. I repeat I received many phone calls all
telling the same story regarding Stacy Borland. Whether she
was murdered on a Saturday or on a Wednesday the next day or
three weeks later has nothing to do with the subject of the
story. The subject of the story was that a rumor floats
around Las Vegas that someone from the test site gives
Borland some documents, she is killed, Grace takes her place
and members report that he is writing their names on what
appears to be government forms labeled CONFIDENTIAL. Try as
you might to cover up the important facts but you won't
succeed. It is my opinion that she was given documents and
that your group or the people you work for killed her. I
know that MAJESTY TWELVE (also known as MAJORITY TWELVE) has
killed before and most probably will kill again. Moore and
Lear work for them.
George Knapp states in his letter to Corbin that John Grace
was appointed to take over the contactee group. The members
of the group who have called me expressed anger and concern
that his assumption of the leadership was totally against
the wishes of the members. In fact if the reports are
correct some of the groups members have left the group over
this issue. Just exactly who appointed Grace over the
protest of the members? Is it a democratic group or a Nazi
group? I understand from the many calls that I have received
that the members are not happy with the situation and the
group is splintered. Cory and Jeff are only 2 of the sources
for this information but both are friends of Lear's. Are
they telling me the truth or is Lear setting me up? I
believe they have told the truth as they knew it in every
case.
George Knapp really screwed up when he implied that I
accused John Grace of murder. That is an outright lie.
George Knapp is a liar. I said no such thing anywhere in the
story (he calls himself a journalist?). I reported what was
told to me by many sources and all that is required of a
journalist is 2 sources. I am not a journalist and I did a
better job than both Mike Corbin and George Knapp have done
so far.
Here are the facts. William Moore is a self confessed agent.
No one can deny that. Only fools listen to Moore now. HE
CONFESSED. Do you hear that George? Are you a fool or do you
work for them? George Knapp you knew that Moore was a self
confessed agent and you still used him in your series and in
your 2 hour special. Why? During the 2 hour special you
presented Moore as a credible prominent researcher. You made
no mention that Moore had doctored documents and had
admitted it. No mention was made that Moore had engaged in
lying and passing out disinformation to other researchers.
No mention was made that Moore had confessed to being an
agent for an intelligence agency. You did not mention that
Moore spied on researchers and submitted reports to his
controller.

Message #8944 - UFO 
   Date : 20-May-90 20:50
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8943 <--> #8945

WHY? Thats about the worst kind of journalism.
It's irresponsible and it sucks. It says a lot about George
Knapp.
Why did George Knapp, experienced and hardened journalist,
promote the Lazar story when every rule of journalism says
not to do it. Why did Knapp swallow it hook line and sinker
when the only thing backing Lazar up was his name in a phone
book? Why did Knapp do everything short of jumping off a
cliff to get the public to believe Lazar, even say on the
air that he, Knapp, believed Lazar? That is something that
no good journalist would ever do and is guaranteed to fetch
a failing grade in any journalism class. I'll tell you why.
George wasn't out to do good journalism. George Knapp, in my
opinion, was either taken in by Lear or he works with Lear,
Moore, Lazar, Friedman, Doty, Shandera, etc. Which is it
George?
There is more to George Knapp than meets the eye. He has a
vested interest in attacking me. If I am right it could cost
him his job and I guarantee you that I am right about both
Lazar and Lear. Lazar is a fake and Lear is Condor. If Lear
is Condor then that makes fools of everyone. No one likes to
be a fool but most UFOlogists are exactly that. I keep
saying to DO RESEARCH, TO INVESTIGATE, but no one does it.
They just sit around and call each other names.
You had better remember that I was the Executive Director of
a College that taught security and law enforcement courses.
Many of my faculty members were sargeants and leutenants on
the police force. My personal bodyguard was the head of that
department. I was also a member of Naval Security and
Intelligence. Both Lear and Doty were easy to identify.
A scrambled voice can be unscrambled. Didn't know that did
you. I not only knew it but did it. I also had a voice print
analysis done. The voice is John Lear's. You all think a man
photographed in shadow is invisible don't you. Well, he is
not. Try body measurement proportion comparison. In other
words take a picture of John Lear and in the same pose as
Condor and with the same body angle. Its easy as it is the
normal posture of john Lear. The picture does not have to be
to the same scale. I have several of him sitting and talking
in the exact same position and the same angle.
Take as many body measurements as you can and then compare
them to each other. The more measurements and the more
comparisons you can make the more positive the
identification will be. I was able to make 19 different
measurements and many times as many comparisons. Then do the
same on the man in the shadow.
THE VOICE IS JOHN LEAR AND THE BODY MEASUREMENT PROPORTION
COMPARISONS MATCHED PERFECTLY IN EVERY INSTANCE.
It's really very easy. Anyone can master the technique. You
will only have to fork out money for the voice print
analysis. Most of you are to cheap to do it and George Knapp
has a vested interest in AVOIDING IT AT ALL COSTS. I
challenge George Knapp to stop taking Lear's word that he is
not Condor and do some real investigative reporting. Lear
insists that Condor is Bob Collins. Bob Collins physic is no
where near Condor's but Lear fits perfectly. Get wise Knapp
your whole life is on the line here. Do you work for Lear or
what? Are you part of the awareness group too? Are you a
traitor?

Message #8945 - UFO 
   Date : 20-May-90 20:51
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8944 <-

I have known that Lear is an agent ever since February of
1972 and I have confided that in not 1 or 2 people but in
probably 12 or 13 people and maybe more than that over the
last several years. I am sure that most of them will confirm
it if the need arises. Bob Swan also knows it. In the
"Secret Government" I stated that I saw Moore, Friedman, and
Maccabee on a list of agents to be recruited ALONG WITH
SEVERAL OTHERS THAT I DID NOT NAME AND IT IS STATED IN THAT
PAPER. I told Lear that I saw his name on the list several
days before MUFON. My wife was present and heard the entire
conversation. Lear wasn't able to look me in the eye. The
people helping him get MUFON organized wondered why I was
not at Lear's home helping them and that is why. Lear stayed
far away from me the whole time and even kept aloof from
everyone else also. He was terrified that I would reveal him
along with Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee. Lear gave himself
away when he and Grace wrote the Krill papers. He is just
like Moore. He throws truth mixed with lies out and then
laughs at the public. Lear knows all about O.H. Krlll, the
real one, and he got caught by me. O.H. Krlll exposed Lear
not me. Anyone and everyone who has worked with this
information knows he blew it. He honestly thought that no
one else knew the truth. I played him just like I played
Moore and I caught him just like I caught Moore. Lear KNOWS
EVERYTHING. It's an old trick and Strieber is using it now
with his book MAJESTIC. Now if anyone comes out with
anything from GRUDGE about Forestall or the Roswell crash
you will all say he stole it from Strieber. Sorry boys but
it won't work anymore. People are sick of lies, deception
and traitors and we are all sick of you.
Lear showed me a copy of a 2 inch thick book written by
employees of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory which is a
very thorough parody of the "YELLOW BOOK". I pretended that
I did not know what it was and Lear had a great time. I did
recognize an old friend who works at Livermore Lab and it
has turned out good for me. The friend is one who put
together a ......... trip to the ........ of the
............. ............ of the ...... and I helped him
prepare. Filling in the blanks would reveal his identity. I
told Lear at the time that I knew one of the authors of the
parody. The man owed me. Since his name was in the parody I
knew that he had seen the real "YELLOW BOOK". That knowledge
has been very useful.
    THIS CONCLUDES MY EXCERPT OF BILL COOPER'S ANSWER. IT SHOULD 
PROVIDE THE ANSWER TO MEALY MOUTHS WHO STAND IN THE CORNER AND TRY TO
DISCREDIT PERSONS WITH HONEST OPINIONS. THERE ARE ALSO ENOUGFH FACTS 
CONTAINED IN THESE WORDS TO THOROUGHLY CHECK OUT THE SIMPS WHO ARE TRYING TO
PULL THE WOOL OVER EVERYBODY'S EYES.
   CIAOU!!!!! T.S.

******* End of Cooper Letter *******************************************


******* Begin English-->>Cooper response *******************************


Message #7110 "UFO"
Date: 24-May-90 15:01
From: Bill English
To:   All
Subj: Bill Cooper

   Well....what do you say about someone who is obviously mentally deranged?
 Hmmm...Bill Cooper has quite literally gone too far this time. In fact
farther than he has ever gone before, which is unfortunate because at one
time I had a certain amount of respect for the man.  Now all I can honestly
say I feel is pity and a certain amount shame.  Not for myself mind you,
but for Cooper's continuing to embarass himself and show just how ill he
really apparently is. Bill needs help...I am sure that the majority of you
who have followed the Cooper saga will agree that at one point it seemed that
there may have been a certain amount of truth to what he was saying, but over
a period of time it became apparent that his were the ravings of a man caught
in the throes of a severe and debilitating ilness that has gone out of
control.     Those of you who know me, know that I never hesitate to speak my
mind. Sometimes to the dismay of my friends who attempt to keep me in check
when I become extremely upset over an issue that I feel passionately about,
and many are the times when my friends accuse me of being a loose cannon. But
in all honesty I don't think any of them can say that I have ever tried to
deliver as facts the kind of stuff that keeps issuing forth from Cooper. 
This last tirade of his on the Echo has gone beyond the bounds of propriety,
but in all fairness to Cooper we have to remember that this message that we
have read here in the echo was not loaded here by Cooper.  Apparently the
message was placed on Cooper's own BBS and our good friend T.S. Bennett took
it upon himself to load it into the FidoUFO Echo. So to a certain extent Bill
Cooper is as much a victim as those that he seems intent upon accusing. BUT
THAT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE HIM!
  Although I have not had much contact with John Lear since the 1989 MUFON
conference in Las Vegas, I like to think of John as a friend since it was his
encouragement that brought me out of hiding two years ago, and back into
active research. During the course of our friendship I have come to know and
understand a little bit about John and what motivates him for the most part
in his research and work. I also know and sympathise with him over the
difficulties that he has encountered while trying to continue that work. And
so that you understand that I am not trying to patronize him, I do not
necessarily agree with everything that he says, but only because I have not
devoted enough time to researching nor studying his work or findings. But I
do respect him. And because of the limited knowledge that I do have of him, I
can say beyond a shadow of a doubt the Cooper's charges and allegations are
the most ridiculous that I have ever heard him come out with. I have met
John's wife and kids, and I have seen John's devotion to them. The allegation
that John would call a whore to come out to his home, and that he supposedly
did it with a number of witnesses there in the room. HORSESHIT!
  I cannot speak to the charges concerning Bob Lazar, nor can I speak to the
charges made by Cooper about George Knapp. I have spoken to Knapp very
briefly concerning the open letter by Cooper, and his response is to say the
least, was less than complimentary toward Cooper. My refusal to speak to
these charges comes not from any animousity toward these gentlemen, but more
because I understand that in Mr. Lazar's case there are issues that we are
not fully aware of, and that these issues must become evident before a final
opinion or analysis can be made. This does not mean that I am taking a
position re: the Lazar case, nor am I taking a position with regard to John
Lear's material nor his hypothesis. I am however taking a position with
regards to Bill Cooper.
 
   It is my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experiences, which have
been documented, and which I have said from the very beginning could well be
mis-information, that Mr. Milton William Cooper has never seen ANY
documentation similar to or the same as that documentation I claimed to have
seen in the form of Grudge/Blue Book Report #13. It is further my opinion
that Mr. Cooper having read "Bill Steinman's Book, UFO Crash at Aztec" and
appendix number 7 in which I play a prominent part, believed that he could
lay claim to having seen the same material
--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
 * Origin: UFINET News  BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14)

Message #7111 "UFO"
Date: 24-May-90 15:24
From: Bill English
To:   All
Subj: Bill Cooper/part2

without fear of being refuted since it was believed at the time of the books
writing, that I was dead, and that they would be know one who could be
qualified to refute his claims.
   It is further my opinion and belief that when it became apparent to a
great many people, John Lear being the first to realise this, that Bill
Cooper was a fraud, he immediately went on the attack attempting to discredit
these same individuals with false statements, that were designed to bring
into question their moral turpitude and standards, and their voracity.
Additionally he began to take a very tragic death of a person well respected
in the Field of UFO research, and subvert it from it true and tragic nature
to the point of accusing government involvement and the involvement of those
individuals who in point of fact were on his list of enemies. Among them John
Lear, Mike Corbin, George Knapp and several others.
   I personally have proven Bill Cooper to be a liar. I proved this on the
Billy Goodman Radio show when after Cooper got on the show and attacked me
personally, accusing me of having called him and telling him that someone
tried to kill me upon my return trip from the 1989 MUFON convention in Las
Vegas, Billy invited me to appear on his show to present my evidence. During
the course of Cooper's diatribe he stated that Len Stringfield and I appeared
together on a radio show and that Len confronted me with this and I denied
it.  When I appeared on the Goodman show, I knew that Cooper would call and
try to discredit me further, but I was ready for him. Prior to appearing on
the show, I contacted Len Stringfield, whom I have known for sometime, and
asked him to send a signed notarised statement which refuted everything
Cooper had said. When Cooper called he re-interated everything he had said
previously and then I had Goodman open the envelope that I had sent him
containing the statement and had him read it on the air. The Statement
refuted everything that Cooper had said.
   Ladies and gentlemen, I realise that the echos are not the place for this
kind of thing, but it is my feeling and opinion that you should be made aware
of certain facts concerning the players of this drama. Based on my own
knowledge, and based on my own personal experiences Cooper is a danger to the
serious research of Aerial Phenomenon and all of it's related fields. He
tries to cause panic and fear based upon half truths and out and out
lies..the public loves to be scared and this is something that he is aware of
and is constantly capitalising on. Just recently he appeared in Scottsdale
Arizona to give a speech and during the course of that speech came out with
the statement that John Lear was Bill Moore's Falcon on that "UFO cover-up
Live" travesty. What utter horse shit!  If ever there was a disinformation
agent in our midst, it's Bill Cooper!
 
I remain Respectfully yours,
Bill English
 
--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
 * Origin: UFINET News  BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14)

Message #7112 "UFO"
Date: 24-May-90 17:50
From: Bill English
To:   Bill Cooper
Subj: YOU ARE A DANGER

   Bill, you've gone too far this time..It has become apparent that you are
in serious need of professional help of some type. The charges and
allegations that you have leveled are absolute hog wash. You say you have
witnesses? Trot them out sir! Or is this like the tape that you were supposed
to have had of me calling you while I was intoxicated. I gave you every
opportunity to trot that out and play it on Adventure Radio, even to the
point of signing a release giving you permission to do so, so that you could
prove that I was a drunkard and a liar. Instead sir you neither produced the
tape nor did you appear on the Radio Show the following night. Several weeks
later I appeared on Billy Goodman's Radio Show knowing full well that you
would call to try and salvage what little reputation you had. I burned you
there on that one by producing a sworn affidavit from Len Stringfield stating
that none of what you had claimed previously on his show was true, thereby
proving you to be a liar once again. What galls me more than anything is the
fact that I keep nailing you and you keep trying to drag everyone else down
with you thinking that nobody sees what is happening. 
   Bill it is my considered opinion and feeling that you are in serious need
of help, and that YOU are the disinformation agent here, and that you are
jeopardizing the serious work and research that the rest of us are trying to
do by creating a negative public image of the whole field.  The difference
between me and John and the rest of those that you have name in you
horse-shit allegations is the fact that they seem to just consider the source
and blow it off, while I will go for the eggs and you know it...Want to go
for round three??? I'm ready and waiting...BTW Bill, when you went AWOL for
eight days in Hawaii what was the reason...were you on a drunken binge or
what?
 
Bill English
 
--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
 * Origin: UFINET News  BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14)

****** End of English-->Cooper response *******************************

****** Begin Corbin/Paranet-->>Cooper response ************************

Message #6768 "UFO"
Date: 19-May-90 18:19
From: Michael Corbin
To:   All
Subj: T.S. Bennett

To All:

In the absence of the echo moderator, George Adam Stanislav, who, in my
opinion, is doing a poor job of moderating this conference, I wanted to get a
few things clear regarding the incoherent and attacking messages that have
been posted by T.S. Bennett, a person who is in the service of William
Cooper.

It is truly a shame that Mr. Bennett and Mr. Cooper have to use this echo as
a stage for the attack against ParaNet.  It has absolutely nothing to do with
the good people that use this conference, and I apologize for the
inconvenience that it has caused to all of you.

As we all know, UFOlogy has suffered at the hands of people like Bill Cooper
and T.S. Bennett, for if there opinions and research really did hold water,
they would not have to hide behind a screen of beligerence and unrest to get
their points across. After all, should the truth need any support or a sales
pitch? NO!  The truth stands on its own despite what you or I might say.

And, despite what Mr. Cooper has said from the security of Mr. Bennett's
skirt, ParaNet is not a belief system.  We are a clearinghouse of
information, and are comprised of skeptics and believers.  That is the true
beauty of ParaNet.  We do not "censor" anyone who wishes to speak nor do we
control information or the other things that have been told here in this
echo.  We are not "government agents."

We are being censored in a fashion by the unreasonable attacks being leveled
against us, and we are being kept from disclosing useful information to the
general public by Mr. Bennett taking up precious echomail traffic by
attacking everything we say or do.

To set the record straight I wish to disclose the full reason that T.S.
Bennett and his cohort, Bill Cooper were banned from ParaNet.  Actually, part
of the reason has already been disclosed in deeds as Mr. Bennett's postings
speak for the record -- they are postings that are meaningless and cause
disruption of the flow of normal traffic.  They are attacking and state
nothing in the way opinion, but are advanced as pure fact.  When someone
disagrees or asks for more information, they go off on a tangent of screaming
that everyone against them is a government agent.

ParaNet was the first network to break the MJ-12 story.  We were the first
public forum where Bill Cooper and John Lear came to distribute their
information.

Bill Cooper has stated publicly that he cannot prove none of his claims.  He
has also stated that we censored him by barring him from the network. 
Censoring, no -- Barring from the network, yes.

Censoring implies that all information, opinions or facts are suppressed and
not made public.  This is a reasonable definition. ParaNet still carries the
Bill Cooper material on its BBS network and has not stopped carrying it at
anytime.

Instead, we attempted to verify his information by making an independent
investigation and by asking Bill to furnish more information.  When
discrepancies were encountered and Bill was presented with them, he launched
into a barrage of attacking everyone on ParaNet that felt more information
was needed.  All useful discussion broke down into shouting matches and
caused a serious problem for our users.  After many requests by our users to
do something, we warned Bill to cease his attacks.  This only escalated them
and we had to ban him from the network.  This was not the only time.  After
many months, we allowed him back on and shortly after that Bill again
denegrated the quality of the conference and we banned him again.  This time
it is for good.

As for Mr. Bennett, we also had the same type of problem, only his
infringement of policy could have caused a lawsuit for the network.  He made
an attack on Mr. English that was very libelous.  However, this was after
many warnings about posting advertisements that were not authorized and
personal attacks against members of the network.

None of the actions that have been taken against Cooper or Bennett have been
unreasonable and without first, several attempts to rectify the situation.

We also have a policy that deals with deliberate disinformation. ParaNet
encourages the free exchange of opinions on its network. It is the mainstay
of what our network is all about.  However, when a person engages in the
distribution of information that is patently false or unverifiable, we feel
an obligation to the public to state so.  We also will not tolerate any
attacks against the U.S. Government that are without substance.  We are
Americans and damn proud of it.  If there is anything that needs to be
corrected, we have the methodology as prescribed by the Constitution of the
United States to do it.  Our ancestors have fought for this protection. 
There are avenues also available to us through Congress and other means that
are prescribed by law to get access to UFO information.  Anything not
obtained legally is not of interest to us.

We must engage in critical thinking regarding the UFO phenomenon and must
not allow ourselves to be taken in by all of the "conspiratorial material"
that is so prevalent today.  Until there is evidence of what these guys are
claiming to be fact, I will not personally subscribe to it.

In closing, ParaNet is a public service.  There has never been a more UFO
oriented electronic network like it.  Our credibility is high as is our
reliability.  When you read something on ParaNet,  you can be assured that it
was checked out and verified to the extent possible.  If it cannot be
verified, we make no bones about it -- we tell everyone.

I would heartily suggest that we get on with business and make our
protestations known to the echo moderator that we are tired of this senseless
assault from Cooper and Bennett.

I am preparing to file a formal complaint within FidoNet against Mr.
Moderator and the BBS which has allowed Bennett unrestricted access to the
conference until he can clean up his act and behave like an adult.  If he has
something of value to say against ParaNet, I am prepared to meet him
toe-to-toe to answer any and all allegations.

ParaNet is preparing a file regarding the Cooper material.  We will be happy
to post it for everyone to see.  This file will contain all message exchanges
between members of ParaNet and Bill Cooper up to the times that he was banned
from the network.  It is most interesting.

Michael Corbin
Administrator/Owner
ParaNet Information Service

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***** Begin English on Krill papers ****************************************

(7245)  Thu 21 Mar 91 10:55p
By: Bill English
To: All
Re: Krill files
St:
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During the past several weeks there have been a number of questions concerning
the infamous "Krill Papers". At the advise of John Hicks (363/29) I am posting
this information concerning the documents in question.

1) The "Krill Papers" were and are a fraud. John Lear and John Grace of Nevada
authored these papers and uploaded them to a Paranet Board originally to see
just how gullable the UFO investigative community really was. Much to the
credit of Paranet and Mike Corbin, it was quickly determined that the documents
were in fact fraudulent. As a result of this both John Lear and John Grace were
barred from Paranet and several other UFO related Echos. While I don't agree
with the methods employed by John, I do understand his reasoning for this.

2) In one respect the fraud perpetrated by John Lear and John Grace had the
effect of proving that at least one so called researcher of of some renoun was
in fact a fraud himself. I am of course refering to William Cooper. John was
listening to Cooper give and interview to one of the local news media when he
over heard Cooper state that while serving in the Navy he in fact viewed the
Krill Papers. John approached and questioned Cooper about this knowing that the
Krill Papers and the information in them was faked. Cooper stuck to his story
and decided that John was his enemy. Especially after John pointed out to him
that the Krill Papers were faked. As a result of this Cooper went on a rampage
and did everything that he could to discredit Lear and several others.

3) For those of you just coming onto the UFO scene, it is imperative that you
understand that one of the many problems that are inherent to the UFO research
field is that information sometimes get spread out so quickly without proper
dissemination. As a result of this it becomes factual without basis.
PLEASE...PLEASE...don't take everything you read on these databases as being
the absolute truth without first checking with others and most importantly
checking your sources...We all get burned from time to time...including myself
as evidenced by the SS433 fiasco. But we are the ones who some day may be
looked upon as the true heroes of our time. At least I hope so..A lot of us
have lost so much because of what we do here...

Bill English


*** End of file ***********************************************************

Epilogue: This was over 2 years ago..since then, Bill English has
disappeared from the public and pretty much given up on UFOlogy. I
had the occasion to spend some time with him at his last speaking
engagement at a UFO convention in Orlando, Fl in 1991. It's
my opinion that Bill disappeared due to threats/coercion by the
Govt lackeys who had managed to re-unite him with his first wife
prior to his last speaking engagement. If any of you know of his story,
then you would know that he was spirited away from his original family
some years back by the Govt/military while he was on duty in England
and was not allowed to talk or see them since his viewing of the
sensitive "Grudge" materials.

He had finally re-married and had kids prior to his last speaking
engagement, and told me right before he came to Orlando that
the Govt/military had brought over his *first* wife and family
to re-unite him as he had not seen them in several years. My belief
is that he was threatened, based upon what he told me and that the
Orlando engagement was to be his last. Apparently it was, since we
have not seen nor heard from him since.  It's a tragic story.

I understand now, that Bill Cooper no longer runs his CAJI BBS
but is alledged to be involved with a satellite program now.

Don


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