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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Family Values (ala political)
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:12:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

I heard a wonderful statement read from a committee report coming out of
somewhere in Washington (sorry, wasn't paying attention until the quote came
up).

	"Just because we value families, doesn't mean that families must
	 must be the traditional families of the 1950's."

It struck a nerve in me because, not having had time to keep up with all the
rhetoric in this election I never understood why the PCs detested the idea
of family values so much.  Apparently the right wing conservatives have taken
over the term "Family Values" in the same way they have taken over Christianity
and the Republican Party.  And being a liberal Republican Christian who believes
in family values, I want to take all these things BACK!

So, how could we define family values in a way that is inclusive of all
non-traditional families?  I think for starters we should clean up the tax code
and welfare laws so they stop encouraging the break-up of families.  I'd like
to see society value the commitment to family more than we currently do.  And
I think a focus on the welfare of our children is important.  What other
values are really "family values" and not just right wing rhetoric.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:39:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: manticore
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!

My doctor gave me vitamin B6 shots which helped when I couldn't keep
vitamin B6 pills down.

I found that water often made the nasuea worse! Seemed like it
diluted the acid in my stomach so that it sloshed around even more!

I couldn't wear the sea-bands since I have carpal tunnel. I found
them really agrevated it.

-- gigi

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat (safety)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:46:40 GMT

I found this on sci.med and it seemed relevant to this discussion, so I am
reposting it here:
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Children's Car Seats
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:38:08 GMT

Here is a press release that may be of interest to readers of this newsgroup.

 News Conference to Kick Off National Public Awareness Campaign to
Improve Child Passenger Safety
 To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor, Transportation Writer
 Contact: Stephanie Leontis of Freeman/McCue Public Relations,
          Santa Ana, Calif., 714-557-3663

 News Advisory:

 WHAT:   News conference at the National Press Club to kick off a
national public awareness campaign and safety promotion
designed to improve child passenger safety and increase
vehicle safety inspections.

Safety experts from Monroe Auto Equipment, the National
Safety Belt Coalition, Cosco Inc. and other safety
organizations will discuss the importance of these issues to
prevent needless deaths and injuries of children each year.

 WHERE:  The National Press Club, Murrow Room

 WHEN:   Tuesday, Sept. 1, at 10 a.m.

 WHY:    More than 600 children died and 53,000 were injured in
vehicle crashes last year, many of which could have been
prevented by the correct use of child safety restraint
seats, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration.

In addition, findings released in July by the University of
California, Irvine, suggest that many parents still believe
on-lap riding is safe...a position better referred to by
experts as the "Child Crusher."  Unfortunately, nothing
could be further from the truth.

 -30-

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From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: E F AuPair
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:42:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug26.184257.10526
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I was watching a local progam here and they were talking about
the E F AuPair. It is a "nanny" type program. But the people
that are the "nannys" don't have to talk schooling. They also
come from Europe. I was wondering if anyone else has heard of
this or has an experience with it. I know I can't do this because
of the cost. 170 week for a year to pay for this care giver.
If you have had experience, what did you think of it? If anyone
is intersted in it they gave an 800 number at the end of the 
segment. 1-800-333-6056

-Laura
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:53:04 GMT

In article <2A9E5CAE.419C@intercon.com>, ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
> Children have enough exposure to the evils of the world just by living.  They 
> really don't need to have to deal with being badgered in the type of way that 
> happened to me when I was young, and I'm sure happened to many many other non 
> xtians.  

Indeed.  When I was ~5 years old, I came running into the house one
fine April day crying, ``Mommy -- tell Billy I didn't kill anyone.''
Guess what religion I am.  Guess what Billy was taught about my religion
and my co-religionists.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: Justin's Birth Story
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:46:05 GMT

In article <20991@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
>>I have similar thoughts about child-birth classes.  Although mine did not
>>advocate non-intervention, and talked a lot about different types of pain
>>medications, they kind of glossed over the reality of C-sections.  
>
>Our childbirth class showed a movie about c-sections.  We also had a
>"simulated c-section", where my husband played the part of a woman

>>.  Now, 2 years 
>>later I still have the strong feeling that I missed out on a major life
>>event--that of being able to push my baby out to meet the world. 
>

>Stanzi, I had a vaginal birth, but let me tell you that the experience
>of pushing Jordan out to meet the world wasn't as strong as the
>emotional rush I get when I look down at him nursing at my breast and
>realize that my body nurtured him during his 9 months in utero, and he
>is now solely dependent on me for his nutritional needs.  Pushing was
>an hour and a half.  Pregnancy was 9 months, and I'll have months of
>nourishing him through nursing.  For me, the pushing wasn't anything
>compared to the joy of caring for my darling boy.

The >'s and the >>'s have me confused....I'm not sure who said what now...
BUT....here's my few cents worth.....

After 19 hours labor Jordan (yes, another one!) was born using forceps....
apparently his head wasn't positioned quite right.  I pushed for two hours
before my Doctor said I could be pushing for the next year and I wouldn't
have been able to move him out....and with his heart rate dropping....her
decision was to try forceps....if that wasn't successful (quickly) it would
be a C-section.  This was the decision at 8:30....after preparation...and
epidural....and forceps....he was delivered at 8:57.  Healthy and gorgeous
and wonderful and nursing within about ten minutes.......and still....for
weeks after....whenever I thought about it....I would start to cry because
I felt (and secretly I guess I still do feel) that I didn't bring him....
or push him into the world.....the Doctor pulled him into the world...she
did it....not me.  I stopped saying this after awhile because no-one seemed
to understand.....not my husband (who I think just thought I was trying to
be an overachiever and couldn't understand why I wouldn't just be thrilled
that it turned out so well)......not my Doctor (who said she thought I had
done a great job).....not my Mom (who thought I was just being foolish)....
Intellectually I understood all of their points....and was and still am...
thrilled with my little guy....BUT....I, emotionally speaking, I understand 
your feelings completely.


Barbara 				|  I do so like 
					|  green eggs and ham!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:50:26 GMT

>> > If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
>> > looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.

We've gotten much more mileage out of two Eric Carle (sp?) books -
_Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you See?_ and _Polar Bear, Polar Bear,
What do you Hear?_ - than I would have thought.

These are the full-size books (I've noticed that there are miniture versions
being marketed now).

Our son liked these at a very early age (1 month? 2 months? - hard to remember
now).  We would lay him on the floor on his back, lay down next to him, hold
the book above us, and read.  I was amazed by the reactions we got so early.
Each time we'd turn a page, he'd suck in his breath, kick his feet and 
wave his arms. 

At 17 mos these are still his two favorite books.  When we mention "book"
he says "Brown Bear, Brown Bear" (actually more like "Bown Bah, Bown Bah",
and runs off to get it.

Incidently, I wouldn't call them "sturdy".  We had some board- and plastic-
books that we let him play with earlier, but it's only been recently that
he's had access to the paper books by himself.

Ken
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staffan@serum.kodak.com
From: sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Vegetarian Lunch - Thanks
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:46:34 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my request for vegetarian
lunches for my 11 mo. old.  I will try to respond to everyone personally,
but if I don't, its just because I do not have the time.  If anyone wants
a summary of the responses let me know.  I will send them to you.

Sudha
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:50:03 GMT

In article <BtpGsG.4Lr@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>In article <SHAFER.92Aug28100837@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>
>3.  Make sure the people who issue your boarding pass know you're
>    travelling with an infant seat.  On one leg of our flight,
>    we had to move, because the infant seat would have prevented
>    use of the emergency exit in the row behind.  Fortunately,
>    the row ahead was happy to swap with us.
>
In fact, it was not the infant seat that prevents your sitting in the same
row as the emergency exit, it is the fact that the child (and probably the
parents of an on-board child) are incapable of aiding others off the plane.

Children are incapable for obvious reasons. Parents who are flying with their
child or children are basically incapable because their concern is for their
child (or children).  I think most parents would not want to leave their
child (or children's) sides in the event of an emergency evacuation.


	

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:25 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Just to provide some more information about using pea gravel under a
swing set....I don't know how much of a problem it would present with
regard to lawn mowers, but it will definitely provide a decent
cushioning effect.  Why, you ask?  Well, if you're ever at a skydiving
drop zone, take a look at the landing pit.  It's filled with pea
gravel.  I can personally vouch for the cushioning effect!
--
David Phillips         sasdvp@unx.sas.com
sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug    -- dire straits

From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:36:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

  I've never seen a school bus with seat belts (when I was a lad they had
hard fiberglass seats).  When I was in elementary school, kids were
assigned seats--three kids per seat (girls left of the aisle, boys right).
By high school, only two kids could fit per seat.

  I assume the buses with belts are equipped with three belts per seat to
reach the "capacity 66" (or whatever it is now) stamped on the front of
the bus.  Has anyone tried to wedge high school students into these belts?
From: dleach@bbn.com (Deborah Leach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:42:55 GMT
Reply-To: dleach@cc4.bbn.com (Deborah Leach)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Aug25.191645.2211429@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
>to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
>parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 
>
>I would love to take advantage of this to help offset pre-school expenses
>but was under the impression that since Ron doesn't work outside the home
>we are inelligable (sp?).  
>
>
>
>-- 
>Judy Leedom Tyrer
>
>"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake


Judy,

Our plan specifies that "a spouse will be deemed to have earned income
of $200 ($400 if you have two or more dependents) for each month in which
the spouse is (i) physically or mentally incapable of caring for himself
or herself, or (ii) a full-time student at an educational institution".
I also think that preschool expenses are not allowed (the definition of
expenses follows the definition from the IRS).

Debi (member of the 2 boy club - Andrew 4YO and Scott 1YO)
dleach@bbn.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:39:40 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu

In article <1684E6B4C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:


(Deleted story of unhappy baby in carseat)

Our daughter was also very unhappy in the carseat.  She screamed until she
vomited when we went on moderately long trips (more than just across town).

We found that she is allergic or sensitive to car fuel and exhaust.  Our
pediatrician gave us extracts to administer before and during car trips, and
they have brought a marked improvement.  She is able to go on trips quite
happily, for the most part.

A caveat:  The use of allergy extracts for chemical sensitivity is an
unorthodox and somewhat controversial procedure, and is considered useless
quackery by many.  It is also not covered by our health insurance, which
classifies it as an experimental procedure.  It is surrounced by the,perhaps
unreliable, testimonial of  zealous "believers" and hostile skeptics.  We are
using this technique because no one else offered any other alternative, aside
from drugging the baby into sleep for every car trip.  

Daniel Kim
KIM@FLVOAX.LANL.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:19:28 GMT

Re:  ultrasounds and bladder fullness:

The instructions I have from my ultrasound doctor is that if you are less
than four months pregnant, your uterus is still hiding down in your pelvis,
and a full bladder is necessary in order to prop it up in order to see it
better.  If you are more than four months, a totally full bladder is not
required.

Now if someone could reassure me about spilling a little bit of protein
now...(28 weeks)

Amy (whose next ultrasound is on Tuesday)


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13 weeks and counting			fit in four lines or less.
From: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: IT'S JUST A PHASE?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I was so excited when I found out that my son would have a playmate
at the sitters house.  He has been the only one there for over 5 months.
His new playmate is 11 days older than him.  Zachary is 15 months old
and isnt walking yet (he is trying though!), so I thought it would be
great that he had a playmate that is walking, maybe he would get the
idea.  Well, according to the babysitter this little girl is always
fussing, crying, and throwing fits, especially if she doesnt get her
way.  My son is now doing this same thing.  He never did it before.
Is it possible he learned it from her or is just a phase (popular answer
to everything).  He will scream at the top of his lungs and lay on the
floor kicking his feet, at home, in the store, anywhere, but not at
the babysitters.  I try to ignore him, but I not sure if I can take
it much longer.


Angie (Mom to Zack, 15 months old)
From: af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:14:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I read in Growing Child a few years ago that crawling stage is a very
important developmental stage.  Crawling helps improve hands and eyes
coordinations.  They recommended against using walkers which takes away
the opportunity for babies to crawl.

Just another point to consider.

Wendy Lin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Subject: Re: strollers at amusement parks/ cute
Keywords: Disneyland,Sea World
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:49:07 GMT

>lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P) writes:
>>
>>If not, get a stroller.  I know your daughter will
>>say she is too old and she probably is, but they are free and can be used to
>>carry your lunch, backpack, whatever and maybe give her a ride later in the 
>>day when she gets tired.  You also can leave them outside of a ride and if it
>>is gone when you get back, just show your receipt and get another one. 

We took our almost 3 year old daughter to Sea World last weekend.  Though
she normally feels she is much to old for a stroller, renting and riding
in the "dolphin" stroller was the highlight of her day.  They had strollers,
as you might guess, shaped like dolphins, seals, or otters, and they
seemed a big hit with the "big" kids.

Rather than getting her a small stuffed "Shamu" the whale, she wanted
a stuffed dolphin.  "Oh to remind you of the dolphin show.  Did you
like that show the best?"  "No mom, to remind me of the stroller!"

						Cathy
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:34:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Aug27.154300.17279@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
> 
> 
> Could anyone with all the words please post them?
> My 4 year old loves that song, and I only know a few lines.  Thanks.
> 

Puff, the Magic Dragon

by Peter, Paul and Mary (I think Paul Stookey wrote it)



Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea,
And frolicked in the autumn mist
In a land called Honalee.
Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff.
He brought him strings and sealing wax,
And other fancy stuff.

			Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea,
			And frolicked in the autumn mist
			In a land called Honalee.
			Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea,
			And frolicked in the autumn mist
			In a land called Honalee.

Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail;
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail.
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came;
Pirate ships would lower their flags
When Puff roared out his name.

			Puff, the magic dragon...

Dragons live forever, but not so little boys.
Painted wings and giants' rings make way for other toys.
One gray night it happened, Jackie Paper came no more,
And Puff, that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar.
His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain.
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane.
Without his lifelong friend, Puff could not be brave,
So Puff the magic dragon sadly slipped into his cave.

			Puff, the magic dragon...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:44:46 GMT

In article <N2KTJ.92Aug25113940@sun102.cci.com> n2ktj@sun102.cci.com (Darren Swartzendruber) writes:

>Achim> Depends. I don't know all Christian sects. Members of the Catholic sect
>Achim> "Angel's Work" for example definitely do.

What is this? (Please reply via email if it isn't really kid-related.)

>Achim> What if a 15 year old throws herself in front of a car to "prove that she
>Achim> has a guardian angle"? (Happened approx. 2 month ago in Germany.)

Well, what happened?  Guardian Angel, or Evolution in Action?

>Achim> What if a 4 year old "wants to die," because she "wants to be a _young_
>Achim> angel"? (Seen here in misc.kids)

What religion holds that Angels are the souls of dead people?

>And what about those kids trying to fly from the 4th floor after seeing
>Superman (or some other similar show)?  It's all relative isn't it?

Not the same thing at all.  We're talking about what parents teach their
children.  Parents don't teach their kids that Superman is real.

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