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Reply-To:     Bob Blanchett <s1029708@GIAEC.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
From:         Bob Blanchett <s1029708@GIAEC.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Compilation of Novice Packet.

folks,

I am in the process of compiling information for a Novice Packet consisting of
several files covering the basics for new players to diplomacy.

My original intention was to place these on the OZ judge for novice players
in it's games.
I would be interested to hear from new players and old hands as to what they
would like to see in the packets.


cheers,

Bob.
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Reply-To:     Roy Dace <dace@SHRIKE.UND.AC.ZA>
From:         Roy Dace <dace@SHRIKE.UND.AC.ZA>
Subject: Re: Rulebook changes (fwd)

>>   6. BOTH A CONVOY AND AN OVERLAND ROUTE.  If an army could arrive at its
>>destination either overland or by convoy, one route must be considered and the
>>other disregarded, depending upon the intent as shown by the totality of the
>>orders written by the player governing the army.
>
>
>    This isn't perfectly clear: if the player doesn't show any intent does this
> mean he's moving by land?  This would have to be covered in someone's HRs.
>
> Mark
>
Also, doesn't it require the GM to form an opinion?  I think it's better idea,
if you want to get rid of the UWC, (I do, others don't), to make players
specify routes a la judge.

	-Hal
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Subject: Re: Rulebook changes

Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote:


>As I read XII.6, by the way, a player does not need to indicate his
>intent explicitly, and no default can be imposed in the absence of
>such an indication; the GM must decide *from context* whether the
>player wanted a convoy or not. In an unmoderated game, the players
>must reach a consensus on this question!


Danny Loeb commented thus:


>From context, means that a convoy is intended if the convoy is marked
>on the same piece of paper (as part of his orders, or in joint orders
>when allowed), or if the notation (VIA Fleet ...) is added to the
>armies order.

>Admittedly, the rules could be clearer, but the GM can certainly rule
> clearly here.

In a *postal/email* game HRs should cover this. In a FTF game you will never
be able to settle this dispute unless you already have HRs in place.

Mark
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Subject:      coasts
              15 Oct 1992 10:47:39 EST
              <9210151520.AA24981@geocub.greco-prog.fr>

Here's what the rulebook has to say about Tony Dugdale's question:

VII. THE MOVE ORDER AND THE MECHANICS OF WRITING ORDERS
   3. MOVEMENT IN CERTAIN UNUSUAL POSITIONS ON THE BOARD
   b. PROVINCES HAVING TWO COASTS (Bulgaria, Spain, and St. Petersburg).
   A fleet which may move to one of these provinces may "support" an
action in that province (see section IX, THE SUPPORT ORDER) without
regard to the separation of the coastline. Thus, because a fleet in
Marseilles may move to Spain, although only to the south coast, it may
nevertheless support an action anywhere in Spain, even if that action is
an order to a fleet to move to, or to hold in Spain (north coast).

   It should be clear that the converse is not true: a fleet in Spain
(north coast) cannot support an action in or into Marseilles, because it
cannot move to Marseilles at all in a single move.
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Subject:      disenfranchised dipper

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Can anybody  help  a disenfranchised dipper cast his vote??

FOR REC.GAMES.DIPLOMACY

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From:         Daniel LOEB <loeb@ORGANON.GRECO-PROG.FR>
Subject:      Rulebook changes
              12 Oct 1992 17:47:00 +0100
              <9210121827.AA25711@geocub.greco-prog.fr>

>As I read XII.6, by the way, a player does not need to indicate his
>intent explicitly, and no default can be imposed in the absence of
>such an indication; the GM must decide *from context* whether the
>player wanted a convoy or not. In an unmoderated game, the players
>must reach a consensus on this question!

From context, means that a convoy is intended if the convoy is marked
on the same piece of paper (as part of his orders, or in joint orders
when allowed), or if the notation (VIA Fleet ...) is added to the
armies order.

Admittedly, the rules could be clearer, but the GM can certainly rule
clearly here.

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From:         Oliver Gassner <PISTUD2@NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>
Subject:      Opening in Game iona

For personal reasons and for the good of the deadlines I have
to give up dipping for the next 2 months.
I leave 2 openings, one  in zenith (warshaw) and one in iona (g-Constantinople)
.
The zenith is just behind the opening, iona is rather far but there just MIGHT
be a stab in the last move (no time to sort it out.)

You will surely be contacted by the up-to-then allies.

As these are both chaos variant games it would be reaaly helpful
to have a substitute. If you answer within the next 3 hrs I can fill you in.

If not... I am gone, but the allies are rather helpful :).
It would be VERY nice of you to consider filling the gap.

Oliver
who is really sorry for what happens, but is not under total
control of his time at short notice.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:41:35 GMT

Try it again.  There seems to have been a temporary Domain Name Service
glitch causing problems getting mail to him.

Also, if mail to watfrost.waterloo.edu doesn't work, try
watfrost.uwaterloo.ca (same machine different name).
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Subject:      Re: H. Laurie

>Thanks, Liam--I forgot about this new movie.  I beleive it is
>called PETER'S FRIENDS and I am really looking forward to it!

        What about _Swing Kids_? I thought that was Branagh's next
movie. Trailers...well, A trailer for it, ran with one for _Mr.
Saturday Night_ a few months ago. It didn't look as if it would
fit Liam's description of a reunion of college friends but it WAS Branagh
in the preview.

>  And I haven't seen H. Hawk--I'd love to
>see if it was Hugh!

        I admire and sympathize with your devotion; I, too, have
endured the dregs of filmdom to see actors I like...

>  Also, I was told that Stephen Fry has a teeny part
>in A FISH CALLED WANDA--he's the one that gets hit in the airport
>in the last part (I haven't seen it in a while so I am not sure of the
>specifics).

        Yes, that's him. He also shows up occasionally in _Whose
Line is it Anyway_ reruns on the comedy channel. I assume you have
all the Wooster and Jeeves episodes? Fry and/or Laurie might also
show up in other Python films and things like _The Secret Policeman's
Other Ball_ and _Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl_ (both
are out on video).

>Susan

        What a great name!

                        Sue
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Subject: Re: Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:47:30 GMT
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>Michael probably wouldn't recognize a sexist movie if it sneaked up behind
>him and bit him on the rump.

Sounds like sexual harassment to me. *I'd* never get away with that...

kjf-
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Date: 16 Oct 92 00:51:53 GMT
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>I can imagine that the respondent is so used to seeing male-bashing in
>the press and on TV that he immediately assumed that this was another
>example of same.

True enough. But remember, lots of fellas enjoy a little male-bashing
every now and again. Hormones? Or could it be those copies of
Playgirl stashed under the mattress? Nature? Nurture? Hell, who cares.

kjf-
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Jeff C.

I think you are the one who said they were ordering the Cameron cut
of the _The Abyss_.  Where are you ordering from?  Can you send an
address & phone #.  Thanks

Carol Doms
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Subject:      Re: Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies
              "CINEMA-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 7, 92 10:41 am

CINEMA-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU writes:
>
> In article <CINEMA-L%92100700550991@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
> Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes:
>
> >
> >  I'm probably going to regret getting involved in this in the morning, but
> >may I suggest that finding sexism everywhere has about the same effect as
> >finding it nowhere?  Either way, one is liable to miss the really egregious
> >offenses (like slasher films) and let others pass that should not go
> >unchallenged (like Thelma and Louise, which by Michael Kerbel's criteria is
 at
> >least as sexist as anything else on the Best Picture list).
> >  The more concise and less polite way of putting this is to say that IMO,
> >Michael probably wouldn't recognize a sexist movie if it sneaked up behind
> >him and bit him on the rump.
> >                                          Rob Rosenthal
>
> A very elevated, refined, scholarly response.  You should have regretted it in
> the morning.   -- M Kerbel

  Oh come Michael! You are being challenged here in terms of what is sexism
or what you view to be sexism in film. Don't just comment on the style of
the challenge, that's juvenile. Respond to the content.

 Steve, who himself has been guilty of examining the stitching on a thrown
gauntlet
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Cinema-l,
     I have some somber and disturbing news concerning last night's
presidential debate review.  Sadly, while I was typing in my ode to
verbosity, we (the people) went deeper into debt by another $50 Million
dollars.  Forgive me,  I'll try not to let it happen again...

RDC,SJ
                8vb
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ABC (I think) made a movie about VADM Stockdale's life about
7 years ago.  It starred James Woods.  Anyone know if it's
out on video?

Quick Favorites:
  The Great Dictator (Chaplin)
  Support Your Local Sheriff (Garner)
  The Thin Man (Loy/Powell)
  Gus (Disney)
  Das Boot (Prochnow)
  Henry V (Branagh)
  Dead Again (Branagh)
  My Fair Lady (Still know all the songs!)
...& these just off the top o' my head.

                                        Have a great day!
BTW, the debate reviews were a riot!  Keep it up!
                                                        Alex
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Subject:      Re: LANGUAGE AND P.C.

>I mean, what do YOU call a woman who is leader of an organisation
>if not CHAIRPERSON? Surely not CHAIRMAN!

Call me crazy, but "-SON" strikes me as just as sexually specific as "-MAN".
Chairperdaughters of the nation, rise and march! (Or is it "rise and month"?)

How about "chair-organism"? Or better yet, "chair-stuff"?
Now *that's* equality.

kjf- (a Prusso-American of Teutonic derivation)
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Subject:      RE: LANGUAGE AND P.C.

Instead of trying to Person-ize every title, we could call a female
head of an organization a Chairmynatrix.  8-}
RDC,SJ
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The other movie with a plot "similar" to Running Man and possibly French
in origin, could be the Italian production (Elio Petri, dir.) THE TENTH
VICTIM (1965), with Marcello Mastroianni and Ursula Andress.  This was
about a future with a legalized murder game called "Man Hunt." This film was
actually based on a novel by sf writer Robert Sheckley called "The Seventh
Victim."  Haven't read the book *or* seen the film, either.  Jeff Clark
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I just join the net.  I would love to see these reviews on the debates!
Has anyone seen The Last of the Mohicans?
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Subject:      Re: Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies

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Subject: RE: Allegedly sexist Best Picture movies

kjf-

you might get away with it!  it's only harassment if it is unwelcome.  some
people might like it.

Ellen
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Subject:      sexism in movies/painting the parthenon

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                                        Date:     07-Oct-1992 09:29am DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: sexism in movies/painting the parthenon

Somehow, I knew that Thelma & Louise would enter into this discussion.  I
thought it was amusing when T & L came out that there was such a hullaballoo
over the perceived stereotypical images of men portrayed in that movie.  The
fact that that movie attracted such attention for reverse stereotyping (stupid,
ineffectual men; strong, action-oriented women) proves how imbedded sexual
stereotyping is in our entertainment culture.  For instance, I have never heard
people complain (well, not until recently) about stereotypical images of women
in movies--the "Bond girls," for instance.  We don't notice stereotypical
images when they follow the norm, but we DO notice when the norm is challenged.


And now some side comments related to "the great colorization debate."  We were
talking about cinema as "art," and the point was made that a black and white
film is artistically complete (it was created to "look" a certain way) and
should remain unadulterated in its original, intended form.  So here's my
question (vaguely related, but a similar theme, so bear with me):  a lot of the
statues and ornate decorations on temples (the Parthenon, etc.) from ages past
were originally PAINTED.  Gaudy, garish, shocking colors, in the style of the
day.  Over the years the paint has worn off, and we are left with some REMNANTS
that we consider art.  But is a statue or artifact really "art" if it does not
exist exactly as it appeared in its original form?  If we take to heart the
"artistic purity" message of the anti-colorizers, the corollary of that
argument is that NO work of art is really art if it does not exist exactly as
it was created to be (is, was, and always shall be, amen), AND we should
re-paint the Parthenon in order to maintain its artistic purity.  Right?  Just
curious.  (Anybody got a paintbrush?  I was pretty good at keeping the colors
between the lines in paint-by-number as a kid. . . . )

Anita
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From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Denholm Elliott filmography

I offer the following additions to Gayle's list:

1957    THE LARK
1958    A TALE OF TWO CITIES
1958    WUTHERING HEIGHTS
1959    THE MOON AND SIXPENCE
1962    WHEN THE KISSING HAD TO STOP
1968    LET'S MURDER VIVALDI
1970    DRACULA  [tv]
1974    PERCY'S PROGRESS (aka IT'S NOT THE SIZE THAT COUNTS)
1975    FEAR IS SPREADING
1976    CLAYHANGER
1980    BAD TIMING
1981    TWO FACES OF EVIL
1984    CAMILLE  [tv]
1985    UNDERWORLD
1985    PAST CARING
1986    THE WHOOPEE BOYS
1986    MRS DELAFIELD WANTS TO MARRY  [tv]
1987    HANNA'S WAR
1989    INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE
1989    KILLING DAD
1989    RETURN FROM THE RIVER KWAI
1990    BANGKOK HILTON  [tv]
1990    THE LOVE SHE SOUGHT  [tv]
1991    TOY SOLDIERS

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin