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From: markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins)
Subject: Re: disappointment with season opener
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:26:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.061510.27449@wixer.cactus.org> guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.124124.14203@ryn.mro4.dec.com> amm@rtpvl1.enet.dec.com (anita magenheim) writes:
>>
>>FYI - the guy the cops cuffed in the 519 (who turned out to be the "Smog 
>>Strangler") is Ron Howard's brother.  (Oooh, I gotta get a life!)
>                ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ He's also Balok  from Star Trek!
>I almost fell out of my chair when i saw who that was!! :)
>
>jam  
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Wasn't he the young kid in Gentle Ben (for those of you 
over 30 years old).

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From: chris@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Chris Houghton)
Subject: Re: Clint Howard = Mark Wedlo
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:16:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.135741.12050@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jamesf@cae.wisc.edu (James Friedmann) writes:
>Steve Rosen writes:
>>
>>Yea, Clint Howard I think is his name.  I feel sorry for that guy, if you
>>remember he was the little kid/star on "Gentle Ben" many years ago.  I have
>>to keep reminding myself of that whenever he pops up on some show.
I believe he's Ron Howard's brother.  He gets a bit roll in most Ron Howard 
films.  He played the nasty factory overseer in FAR AND AWAY.

Chris H.
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From: rspw@backyard.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Warznak)
Subject: Re: Kramer's first name revealed??
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 12:25:44 GMT

In article <Bt8L0C.GFp@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug17.213952.10283@cabezon.uucp>, markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins) writes...
|> >Am I the only one who noticed that in the first (post-olympic) 
|> >epsiode the security guard at the gate yelled 'hello' to the 
|> >driver of the convertible that crashed through the barricade 
|> >without stopping? 
|> >I assumed this was Kramer (couldn't see the driver even on 
|> >video replay)  based on the previous scene (can't remember 
|> >exactly the tie-in now). Anyway the guard said "Hello, 
|> >Michael". Is this a reference to Kramer's first name? 
|> 
|> i think:
|> the security guard wasn't an actor but a real security guard and they 
|> were using the real gate to the studios, and the guy
|> flubbed and called him by his real name (michael richards, right?) and 
|> the editors didn't catch it. 
|> 
|> IMHO.

If you have it on tape, try watching it again.  I just did last night,
and it's definitely Kramer saying "Hi, Mike" to the security guard, as
he crashes through the gate.

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From: knobel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Knobel)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Jock
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:23:21 GMT

In article <timm.714413016@void> timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Coffee_Junkie) writes
>matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:
>
>> While watching the season opener, I noticed that when Jerry was "scanned" 
>> by the hand-held metal detector at the airport, the pitch of the
>> beep raised as the detector passed by Jerry's crotch.
  
>GEESH PEOPLE!!!  Get out more!  Do you live in the 20th century?  You people
>must not get a single joke on SNL...
>Have you NEVER heard a certain appendage on the male body referred to as
>a type of metal???  God...one wonders what you must have thought of
>the episode where Jerry's intellect is playing chess against his libido.
>"You can't beat me, I'll be back..."
>

GEESH Yourself!!! (brilliant comeback as usual)

Have you never heard of ZIPPERS !!!!!

Not everything (oh, I don't want to say it but I have to...) on Seinfeld 
is a joke!!   The scanner probably just detected the steel in the zipper of 
Jerry's pants, and I don't think it was meant to be funny.

Rob
knobel@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Coffee_Junkie)
Subject: Re: Season premier part 2!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:11:30 GMT

guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery) writes:

>In article <9208201312.AA20454@TIS.COM> tim@TIS.COM (Timothy Samples) writes:
>>When George and Jerry got into the police car, George cracks a joke by asking
>>Jerry to crack the window in the back seat of the squad car (which most of us
>>know that you can't roll down the window).  Anyway, when the car screeches up
>>in front of Kramer's apartment the two police officers run out of the car 
>>leaving George, Jerry and that lunatic in the back.  Jerry reaches his hand out
>>the back window and opens the door.  I wonder if this is just something that
>>was overlooked or was it done purposely or does anyone really care!!!

>George asked Jerry to close his window, all the windows were down in the
>police car, so there was continuity in the show, but i don't know if
>that's realistic.

What?  Then what's the joke?  I think the first poster was right.
No, I know the first poster must be right...you can't roll down the
windows in squad cars, that's the joke...what would be funny about
George asking him to close the window?  That's what makes it even
funnier when they show up at Kramer's place and Jerry reaches his
hand out to open the door.

God...this group is getting to me...it's making me think too hard
about jokes that are funny the first time around, no thought involved.

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From: tastewar@athena.mit.edu (Tom Stewart)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: New episode, Wed., 8-12-92
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:47:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug13.232314.21551@beaver.cs.washington.edu> salisbur@chilliwack.cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury) writes:
>
>Am I seeing things that don't exist, or was there a distinct takeoff
>of Twin Peaks in last night's episode.  I'm referring, of course, to the
>whole FBI storyline.  It just seems too coincidental to have several 
>wilderness-type scenes, a dead blonde girl, and an abrasive FBI agent
>in charge.  Am I just experiencing Twin Peaks withdrawal symptoms?
>
>-- Mike Salisbury
>salisbur@cs.washington.edu


I didn't follow Twin Peaks carefully enough to answer your question, but
my firsst impression of that scene was that it was a scene from a movie
or tv show that was being shot.  It took me a while to accept that this
was "happening in real life", so to speak.  I think the overdramatic
acting was meant to poke fun at LA types (please forgive the stereotype),
and that perhaps the police force is made up of out of work actors.
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From: soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee)
Subject: jerry's theme
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:08:59 GMT

am i losing my mind or did anyone else notice that corbin bersen (sp?)
was "tapping" out the theme to seinfeld (the show) in the hallway with
george.  when i say "tapping" i mean that annoying trick where one 
simultaneously snaps a finger while pounding the other fist (ala 3
stooges?) AND corbin was also making the tongue flicking noise for
the other part of jerry's theme.

ys

ps.  i'm not a psych major but wouldn't an ANAL person NOT tell others
about all these "discoveries"???

pps.  why didn't the tv newscaster say, "a man with a last name kramer"
instead of "a man known only as kramer"???

i have more stuff, but i'm keeping it to myself...
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Seinfeld's pink triangle
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.200940.22571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marty D Weil) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.195203.19257@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
|>  writes:
|> >
|> >If this has been discussed before, my apologies.
|> >
|> >Is there any significance to the inverted pink triangle that
|> >appears in the Seinfeld logo?  I'm curious as to whether it's
|> >a statement in support of gay/lesbian/bisexual groups.

Hmmm, and I always thought it was supporting Timothy O'Toole.

|> ya know, i always sorta had this feeling that jerry might be gay.  either
|> that or just a total geek.  he has always seemed to avoid questions about
|> relationships.  boy, this is really going to get people going.  anyone
|> have any facts on this?

Jerry hasn't been able to avoid many questions about relationships when he
visits the Howard Stern radio show.  And from what I've heard Howard get out
of him, it is quite obvious Jerry does not lead a homosexual lifestyle.

"Who are these supermodels?"

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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: Season premier part 2!
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:11:55 GMT

In article <9208201312.AA20454@TIS.COM> tim@TIS.COM (Timothy Samples) writes:
>When George and Jerry got into the police car, George cracks a joke by asking
>Jerry to crack the window in the back seat of the squad car (which most of us
>know that you can't roll down the window).  Anyway, when the car screeches up
>in front of Kramer's apartment the two police officers run out of the car 
>leaving George, Jerry and that lunatic in the back.  Jerry reaches his hand out
>the back window and opens the door.  I wonder if this is just something that
>was overlooked or was it done purposely or does anyone really care!!!
George asked Jerry to close his window, all the windows were down in the
police car, so there was continuity in the show, but i don't know if
that's realistic.

I liked the way Jerry flinched when Kramer threw the huge keyring to
him.

Jennifer "eeee aaa eeee aaa eeeee aaa" Mery

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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: Kramer's name
Summary: New episode clues
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:20:33 GMT


Did you also notice that the newscaster said that he's "known only as
Kramer"?

I guess we COULD find out something in the next episode, with all the
police paperwork that's sure to take place.

jam
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Sirhan Sirhan
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:27:37 GMT

In article <Bt2DCx.n0w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070r6vw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David C Valenzuela) writes:
>Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy

Fact.

>                                  in the giant conspiracy that included
>the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

FIction.

Get it? Michael


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Question about teenaged character...
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:32:42 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Who was the guy who played the teenaged hippy (?) that Kramer met in
the van an the way to CA in the season opener. The same guy who was
telling the cops "And then Kramer said 'Have you ever killed a man?!'"
in the Part 2.

The character looked awfully familiar... 

Anyway I thought it was a riot as was Kramer's discussion with the van's
occupants...

I'm also surprised no one has mentioned Kramer's tan when he was shaving...


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From: soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee)
Subject: playing detective
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:58:00 GMT

the piece of evidence linking kramer to the murders was the title page
of his treatment (kinda funny: kramer, treatment?).  It is laser printed
and centered and goes something like:
line 1 (in larger font): "THE KEYS"
line 2: A MOVIE TREATMENT
line 3: by
line 4: KRAMER

he used a font that has nearly identical spacing for each letter in 
lin 2-4.  the name KRAMER lines up perfectly with ATMENT of line 2
which has roughly 17 spaces.  does this mean that our friend kramer
has 11 spaces for his first name, first and middle names, first 
and middle initials (with or without the period)???

either he has a first name or he intentionally slid his whole name to
the extreme right.  anyone who has seen his bit on murphy brown knows
that he cannot type; i doubt he could even without seeing that guest
 appearance.
he must have used a typing service which centered his FIRST and last name.

but notice that the tv news explicitly stated, "man known only as kramer."

that's my theory as silly as is.

ys

ps. did anyone notice the zeal with which george wanted to try the kosher
airplane meal???  of course i always see the vegetarian meals look so much
nicer than the regular, so i once ordered the veggie(even though i eat meat).
  worst meal of my
travel career.  so i guess pondering over the kosher selection does make
george any particular religion; just a very curious (george?) fellow.

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From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Laugh Track...
Keywords: what's with that?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:46:59 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

Didn't "Seinfeld" always have a laugh track? Even during the stand-up scenes;
those jokes never got as much laughter on his HBO special years ago!

Then again, doesn't just about every sitcom have a laugh track? There was an
interesting article somewhere in which some studio guy explained how even
"live studio audience" shows have the laughter added.

Maybe "Roc" doesn't have one now, but I'll bet they have "Laughter" signs
up on the wall!

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From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Laugh Track...
Keywords: what's with that?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:50:22 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <BtAF9z.Kqt@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> rfpfeifl@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>Although I generally enjoyed last night's episode, I was really turned off by
>the laugh track.  Didn't it bother anyone else?  I didn't realize that one
>of the charms of "Seinfeld" was the live audience, until last night.  I felt
>like someone else's sense of humour was being imposed on me by it.
>
>back to lurking
>Ron

I think one of the big deals with a laugh track is that it doesn't seem too
out of place when you know they're in a studio.  Well done, and you can't
tell the difference between a canned laughter and a studio audience.  The
times it really grated on my nerves was in the outdoor scenes.  There's no
way an audience is watching the outdoor scenes, so when the laugh track comes
in, it's really noticable.  They just don't work when it's not a studio.

						-Tom
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From: atkinson@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (David Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Season opener
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:57:37 GMT

csham@thumper.bellcore.com (Cathleen Shamieh) writes:

>And furthermore... this may be an unpopular opinion, but here
>goes anyway...
>I think the show was better when Kramer was a more minor 
>character. He's hysterical as the crazy neighbor who bursts
>into Jerry's apartment unannounced from time to time. I think
>they're making too much of Kramer. He's getting boring to me.
>Hopefully, he'll be so popular, he'll get a spin-off, and 
>Seinfeld will improve...
>Comments, anyone?

I agree wholeheartedly.  Kramer is a good character, but he
should not become the focus of so many shows.  This is a 
mistake that has been fallen into many, many times by comedy
show writers.  Some characters are better and will stay good
longer if kept in more minor, more occasional roles.  Unfortunately,
when a minor character becomes popular, the writers feel compelled
(maybe by the public, maybe by their bosses) to make him/her
a major character.  It's a short-term payoff and frequently a
long-term mistake.

I can think of a couple of other examples off the top of my head:

Fonzie in Happy Days  (Am I really citing Happy Days as an example?
                       Was it really a mistake?)

Those 3 brothers on Newhart---"My name is (don't remember), and this
is my brother Darrell, and this is my other brother Darrell."  A
couple of times a season, OK.  But every show?


I can't come up with other examples off the top of my head, but I
know there are more, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of you can
come up with others.
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From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: jerry's theme
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:33:35 GMT

soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee) writes:

>am i losing my mind or did anyone else notice that corbin bersen (sp?)
>was "tapping" out the theme to seinfeld (the show) in the hallway with
>george.  when i say "tapping" i mean that annoying trick where one 
>simultaneously snaps a finger while pounding the other fist (ala 3
>stooges?) AND corbin was also making the tongue flicking noise for
>the other part of jerry's theme.

I didn't notice that, someone got it on tape?

>pps.  why didn't the tv newscaster say, "a man with a last name kramer"
>instead of "a man known only as kramer"???

>i have more stuff, but i'm keeping it to myself...

c'mon, spit it out...

db
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From: marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: What IS with Jerry?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:11:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>     You noticed this too, huh?

>>BUT...there's an element of the show that drives me nuts...and that is
>>Seinfeld himself.  Everybody else on the show is GREAT, but what's with
>>Jerry...does he need some acting lessons or what.  I have 2 theories on
>>why Jerry never seems to meld into the scenes like the other characters:

[theories deleted]

>     I heard Jason Alexander interviewed on "Fresh Air", and he
>talked about this problem exactly.  Essentially he copped out and
>said that it used to drive him crazy that Jerry couldn't act, but
>now he thinks it works as part of the show.  Now, I have two
>theories about THAT statement.

>1. It's true (?hmmmmm?)

I think is IS true.  Jerry's unnatural manner sets him apart from
what's going on around him. He's more observer than participnat.  And
I consider that to be the basis of Seinfeld's comedic vision:  a
rational man puzzled by what he sees:  I mean, what's going ON here?

--Louise

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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Seinfeld's pink triangle
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:52:03 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


If this has been discussed before, my apologies.

Is there any significance to the inverted pink triangle that
appears in the Seinfeld logo?  I'm curious as to whether it's
a statement in support of gay/lesbian/bisexual groups.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
From: barb@phx.mcd.mot.com (Barb Legawiec)
Subject: This year's unraveling mystery ???
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:37:37 GMT

It seems obvious that this year is going to have an ongoing mystery through-    out the season...What is Kramer's full name? The writers must have been reading this news for the past month and caught a glimpse of the heates discussions over Kramer's full name. 

By the way, whoever wrote about Shiran Shiran, isn't he an airline hijacker or the guy who killed Bob Kennedy? Please post the answer.

Gracias,
      Ryan

BUSH in '92
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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: To plot or not to plot...
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:16:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.213614.3026@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cad0410@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>I'll reserve judgment until the new season is further underway...but I
>hope the current trend is just a manifestation of this opening two-
>parter being shot in LA ...

???  EVERY episode is shot in L.A.  The only difference is that this one
time, they didn't have to pretend otherwise.  (Obviously the
establishing shots of the restaurant and apartment buildings were shot
in NY; but of course those were made years ago and are just slotted in
whenever needed.)

Jon Alan Conrad