HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Where to get coins counted
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:22:46 GMT

fhoward@mummy.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard) said:
> I have been throwing my spare change into a drawer for some time, 
> and it is now time to get it into my checking account (before my
> dresser breaks).  My bank, wells fargo, has no facilities for 
> counting change and requires change deposited in little rolls.
> This strikes me as a distinct drag.

> 1) does anybody know of banks/places that have change counting
> machines that actually do the counting?

> 2) failing that, does anybody know of suitable charities that
> will do the work and issue a receipt?  (Religion does
> not qualify as a suitable charity at this point in my life).

Have you tried going to (or calling?) one of the larger branches?
While I admit I haven't had large amounts of coins counted since I
moved to L.A., I used to get it done quite regularly when I lived in
Michigan--I ran the pop machine in my fraternity. It seemedthat most of
the larger branches in Michigan had coin counters & sorters.

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Xref: sparky ca.wanted:1064 la.general:551
From: benjamin@ISI.EDU (David Benjamin)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted,la.general
Subject: Wanted: person to share home South of LAX (repost: added phone number)
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:24:47 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: USC-ISI


My recent housemate received a promotion out-of-state.
Now, I need someone to share with.

I have an ideal home to share in a quiet neighborhood in the
North part of Redondo Beach.  It is a bright and spacious duplex with
2 large bedrooms, 2ba, den, living room with fireplace, patio, and
a large kitchen. It is two miles to the 405 freeway and two miles to
the beach. Living and dining furniture would be welcome.
I think I make a wonderful person to share a home with.
My home is smoke free and I drink rarely.

Total rent to share is $1100 with moderate utilities additional.

Or, I might be interested in sharing in El Segundo.

Please send me email or call for more info.

	David
	Benjamin@isi.edu
	(310)372-4115 leave message with good time to call back
From: yso@chem.ucsd.edu (Yeong Soo Oh)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: car
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:54:48 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemi3.ucsd.edu


                                CARS FOR SALE


        Moving out of the country!                 Must  Sell!!

Car I:   Nissan  Stanza  GXE ('87)    $4900.00
	 
         AC, FWD, Auto Trans, AM/FM Stereo, Cassette, Power Dr Locks,
         Power Windows, Power Strg, Cruise Control, Clock, New Tires

	 Excellent Condition!


Car II:  Honda  Civic  ('81)     $1200.00 or best offer

	 AC, AM/FM, 5-speed

	 Mint Condition!


                  Call  Young-Soo

              Day:    (619) 534-2778   or
		      University of California, San Diego extension  X42778

              Evening:   (619) 457-3481
From: cfuget@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Craig Fuget)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:04:41 GMT
Subject: Mountain View House for Sale
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: ca.wanted

Mountain View, lots of amenities, excellent location.

Charming two-bed, two-bath Eichler house in Mountain View, convenient
to 101 and shopping.  Five skylights, lots of windows and light,
fireplace, large master bedroom, red whirlpool tub in master bathroom.
Modernized kitchen with Jenn-Air stove, dishwasher, garbage disposer.
Carpets, drapes/blinds, washer, dryer, 2-car garage, fenced yard.
Insulated foam roof. Schools: Monta Loma Elementary, Crittenden JH,
Los Altos High.

$279,500 or best offer

Contact Danuta Huetter (Cornish and Carey)
Business: (415) 328-5211
Voice Mail: (415) 688-6256
Fax: (415 328-9658
From: matts@thesun.EBay.Sun.COM (Matt Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Re: Whirly Bird (helicopter toy)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: matts@thesun.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thesun.ebay.sun.com

I also am looking for the exact same item, I believe they were red and yellow,
And came with 2 men you could lift up with the attatched hook,
Please let me know where I can find one for my kids, I used to 
have one when I was there age :)



In article 21844@pony.Ingres.COM, chrism@Ingres.COM (Christopher Marlowe) writes:
>
>The stopped making them about 10-15 years ago.
>
>It has a battery powered base which spins a cable which connects to a little 
>helicopter. The spinning cable attaches to the helecopter which, in turn,
>spins the blades and generates lift.
>You have control of the rpm's of the blade and 
>lean of the helicopter. I think it was made by Mattel. There was also the 
>same toy produced with a batman helocopter. 
>
>Where can I get one ?
>
>-Chris Marlowe
>
>email address: chrism@ingres.com



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Newsgroups: ca.wanted
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Where to get coins counted
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:45:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug12.173916.449@oracle.us.oracle.com> fhoward@mummy.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard) writes:
>
>1) does anybody know of banks/places that have change counting
>machines that actually do the counting?
>
Harrah's, The Sands, Caesar's Palace, etc.


Newsgroups: ba.forsale,ca.forsale
From: nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
Subject: WANTED: WHITE BOARD
Originator: nahabed@nmtvs296
Reply-To: nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:59:21 GMT

Looking to buy a "large" white board ie, greater than 4 feet 
in lenght.

Thanks in advance,
Roupen Nahabedian
UUCP:    ames!ntmtv!nahabed  or  nahabed@ntmtv.UUCP    
ATTMAIL: monasa@attmail.com    
ARPANET: ntmtv!nahabed@ames.arc.nasa.gov 
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Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: spark@access.digex.com (Stephen Park)
Subject: Sick Building Syndrome
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:16:52 GMT

Do you get headaches at work, feel listless, dizzy, nauseas, etc. Your 
workplace may be suffering SICK BUILDING SYNDROME, poor ventilation, little or
no filtration for pollutants and irritants.  We may have a cost effective 
solution, HEPA air filtration units.  Do colds and flu pass right through your
whole office staff? Call Stephen Park at 1-800-572-5255 to get a week long 
free demo to see if it helps with your problems. 
Newsgroups: ba.forsale,ba.market,ca.forsale,misc.forsale
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Ski Stuff For Sale
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:09:48 GMT

Call Kathy at (415) 349-0496 for these items (I've included
everything I know about them).

Rossignol skis (175 cm)		$20
Nordica ski boots (ladies' 7)	$10

-andy
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Newsgroups: ca.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: FOR SALE: 1.6 GIG HD
Followup-To: send
Keywords: Sale Hard Drive
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:58:41 GMT

SCSI, 10 ms 1.6 Gig drive, with controller (a rare kind, I might
add), full height, with 1 year warantee, and I bought it only three months
ago... It works great.  Asking price is $2500.

If interested send mail to ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: spark@access.digex.com (Stephen Park)
Subject: Do you have respiratory problems ?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:15:43 GMT

Do you have respiratory problems, i.e. asthma, allergies, sinus problems
, etc.?  We may have a cost effective solution to your misery, or at least some
relief, point of use air filtration. Call for a one week free demo to see if it
helps. Stephen Park 1-800-572-5255.
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: spark@access.digex.com (Stephen Park)
Subject: A Computer's Worst Enemy
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:18:22 GMT

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From: hlauria@infoserv.com (harvey lauria 121 walti st #4 santa cruz ca 95060 4084263093)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: BAR 84 ALLEN AUTO ANALYZER FOR SALE
Keywords: Auto Gas-Engine Analyzer
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:53:42 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: biochemical consultant

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From: hlauria@infoserv.com (harvey lauria 121 walti st #4 santa cruz ca 95060 4084263093)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: CELLULAR PHONE FOR SALE
Keywords: Nov Atel Cellular Phone
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:40:54 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: biochemical consultant

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Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: spark@access.digex.com (Stephen Park)
Subject: Do you drink bottled water ?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:14:36 GMT

Do you drink bottled water? Are you aware of the possbile bacteria levels
in bottled water? I know you are aware of the cost from .75 to $1 a gallon. We
can give you chlorine free, bacteria free water from your faucet for .04 a
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week demonstration.
From: hlauria@infoserv.com (harvey lauria 121 walti st #4 santa cruz ca 95060 4084263093)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: PORSCHE 914, FORD FIESTA FOR SALE
Keywords: porsche
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:41:12 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: biochemical consultant


 I have a `71 Porsche 914 FOR SALE
 with a good engine & transaxle.
 Needs body and electrical work. A good
 project car for a skilled mechanic. I'm asking $750.00
 or possibly trade.
 Plus, I have two `78 Ford Fiestas,
 one possibly needs a head gasket, the other needs 
 a new accelerator pump and CV joint.
 Asking $500 for both or trade.
 Will consider exchanging all three for one running car.
 Call Harvey at 408-426-3093 or respond via hlauria@infoserv.com, 
 thank you.
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: 1991 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6 for only $3000!!
From: lchong@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Leo Chong)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:48:44 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, CSc Department

FOR SALE :

1991 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6

Only 1900 miles, wine red/pink color scheme, tank bra and cover.
Recent compression test:  165 165 165 165

It's been dropped once on the right side but it only suffered some
minor scratches and a minor crack since my friend was only going
5 mph in the parking lot.  There are absolutely no mechanical or
fork damage (checked by mechanic).  You are free to take it to your
mechanic your self.  But if you want to save 40 bux, I have papers
to prove it.  

Because it's been dropped and I'm unemployed, I'll sacrifice for
only 3000 bux!  You won't find a better deal than this in the nation!
I paid 5600 for it just last year!  

email lchong@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu
or (805) 542-9549 lv msg for leo
From: hlauria@infoserv.com (harvey lauria 121 walti st #4 santa cruz ca 95060 4084263093)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: CELLULAR PHONE FOR SALE
Keywords: Nov Atel Cellular Phone
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:58:37 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: biochemical consultant

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Newsgroups: ca.news,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Discussion control in California
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:28:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.163351.22470@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> ian@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov (H. Ian Novack) writes:
>Okay, the gun control thread is heating up exponentially.  The big issue is
>guns and crime.  However, I've a feeling that arguing this issue is pointless,
>as both sides "know they are right".  Impasse.

Some of us are trying to move it to the appropriate group, tpg.  Feel
free to follow suit.

>Let's bend the subject a bit: what about the issue of firearm accidents in the
>home?  I've heard numerous statistics decrying the great numbers of kids that
>have found their father's/mother's/older sibling's gun in the house and
>succeeded in shooting themselves or someone else by accident.

The numbers aren't that "great", that is, they're fairly small*, and
we know that they include intentional acts.  (Abusive parents will try
to cover their tracks.)  Don't confuse "extremely newsworthy" (which
is increased by how rare they are) with "happens often" or even "is a
problem worth worrying a lot about".

Given the other things that are more likely to kill kids, worrying
about gun accidents isn't a big priority in a rational society.
(Avoiding gun accidents doesn't require any more care or expertise
than that required for matches or bleach.)  Certain groups in our
society try to use them to restrict guns, and their restrictions don't
even have the slightest relevance to accidents, but that just tells
you where their priorities are and what they're interested in doing.
Since accidents aren't really a problem, that's not irrational, but it
is deceptive, and if they can't make their argument honestly ....

-andy

* - Of course, one can inflate them by adding in murders and suicides
by 19-24 year-olds.  Arguably, an accident involving a 13-18 year old
really isn't all that different than one involving an adult, teens
aren't kids, but removing teens drops the numbers down to
insignificance, so let's not.
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Newsgroups: ca.news,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:12:19 GMT

In article <71310@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>>It can mean gun bans, such as CA's, which banned a number of
>>semi-autos because of their appearance, guns which the state KNEW
>>weren't disproportionately involved in crime.
>
>The NRA succeeded in watering down this ban, and now certainly enjoys
>riduling it's effectiveness.

Try again.  The state looked for data supporting the claims about the
guns covered by the original bill.  It turns out that the claims were
wrong.  Like the helmet bill, they didn't actually care about "trivia"
like whether or not their claims were true or not.

Gun bans have been tried elsewhere (and they didn't work), so it isn't
exactly surprising that they wouldn't work in CA either.

-andy
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Discussion control in California
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:14:32 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Aug18.163351.22470@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> ian@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov (H. Ian Novack) writes:
>Okay, the gun control thread is heating up exponentially.  The big issue is
>guns and crime.  However, I've a feeling that arguing this issue is pointless,
>as both sides "know they are right".  Impasse.
>
>Let's bend the subject a bit: what about the issue of firearm accidents in the
>home?  I've heard numerous statistics decrying the great numbers of kids that
>have found their father's/mother's/older sibling's gun in the house and
>succeeded in shooting themselves or someone else by accident.
>
>What do both sides have to say about this?
>
>|-Ian Novack (Particle Man)----------------------------ian@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov-|
>
Not to change the subject again but how many deaths are attributed
to drownings in swimming pools as opposed to accidentals deaths by
guns at home?
-- 
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 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
Newsgroups: ca.news,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Keywords: n
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:40:21 GMT

In article <6ijf1nt@Unify.Com> perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:
>syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) wrote:
>>someday, don't wait until the last minute.  Pretty soon, California may
>>be like England, where nobody can have a gun.
>
>Does this mean that we will have a murder rate like Britain's too?

Why would you ask that?  The introduction of gun control in the UK
was NOT associated with any decrease in the murder rate.  If anything,
there was a change for the worse.  See Greenwood's Firearms Controls
for more information.

Gun control didn't help in the UK.  Why would the US be any different?
(It didn't help in Canada either.  Looking at Canada and the US, we
find that gun ownership levels don't have any effect on crime.  Other
factors do.  That's not surprising; criminals are a small fraction of
the population, so ownership by the rest of us swamps their ownership
levels completely.)

>What I don't understand is why its tougher to get a license
>to drive a car than it is to get a license to use a gun.

Wrong.  There are 10 people in all of SF who have a license to carry;
LA has issued on such license since 1970.  There are millions of
people who have a license to drive in those two areas.

Anyone with money can legally buy a car; that's not true of gun
purchase/ownership.

>Both activities kill people if done with insufficient training.

Wrong.  We don't have a gun accident problem, we have a problem with
people who INTENTIONALLY use guns criminally.  Competence requirements
can't address the problem we have.  (Does anyone think that driver's
license can affect drive-by shootings?)

BTW - Since "drug control" can't stop people from getting guns, how
can gun control stop criminals from getting guns?  What, it isn't
supposed to do so?  Then what's the point; there's no benefit to
disarming anyone else.

-andy
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From: perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Keywords: n
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:25:11 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Unify Corporation

syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) wrote:
>[stuff deleted]
>someday, don't wait until the last minute.  Pretty soon, California may
>be like England, where nobody can have a gun.  Don't get caught with
>your pants down.
>
>[stuff deleted]

Does this mean that we will have a murder rate like Britain's too?  Any
murder there makes national news (the population is twice that of
California).

Sure the advice about being a hero is much the same but you stand *no*
chance at being shot just because you honked your car horn at some asshole
who tries to run you off the road.  Here it seems to happen all the time.
Too many guns.  What I don't understand is why its tougher to get a license
to drive a car than it is to get a license to use a gun.  Both activities
kill people if done with insufficient training.

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Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA                   I speak only for Me, Inc.
Newsgroups: ca.news,talk.politics.guns
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:41:33 GMT

In article <71310@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>>It can mean gun bans, such as CA's, which banned a number of
>>semi-autos because of their appearance, guns which the state KNEW
>>weren't disproportionately involved in crime.
>
>The NRA succeeded in watering down this ban, and now certainly enjoys
>riduling it's effectiveness.

Details, please?  I've followed the story of this piece of legislative
art, and I hadn't heard this before.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: sampson@nosc.mil (Charles H. Sampson)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:58:32 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation

In article <1992Aug12.161215.5552@smartstar.com> syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) writes:
>                                       ...  Pretty soon, California may
>be like England, where nobody can have a gun.  ...

     You mean my wife will be able to stroll in downtown L. A. at 11:00
P. M. without fear?  Gosh, we had better be on our guard to prevent some-
thing like that happening!

				Charlie
From: sampson@nosc.mil (Charles H. Sampson)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:50:42 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation

In article <1992Aug13.194313.14949@cco.caltech.edu> danlip@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Adam Lipofsky) writes:
-In article <1992Aug13.145832.23050@nosc.mil> sampson@nosc.mil (me) writes:
->In article <1992Aug12.161215.5552@smartstar.com> syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) writes:
->>              ...  Pretty soon, California may
->>be like England, where nobody can have a gun.  ...
->
->     You mean my wife will be able to stroll in downtown L. A. at 11:00
->P. M. without fear?  Gosh, we had better be on our guard to prevent some-
->thing like that happening!
->
-Anyone who strolls in downtown L. A. at 11:00 P. M. without fear is an idiot,
-regardless of the existance of guns.  Getting rid of guns won't make things
-safe.  (Besides, most violent attacks are by unarmed aggressors).

     Try again.  My response was in the future tense, what you apparently
meant as a rebuttal is in the present tense.  Doesn't work.

     For others for whom my first comment was too subtle, my wife can walk
around London at 11:00 P. M. without fear, with the exception of a few well-
known areas.

				Charlie
Newsgroups: ca.news
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Discussion control in California
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:07:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ca


Josh Smith posts an elaborate sophistry arguing that guns don't harm
anyone else. He has apparently not seen the accidental death statistics
due to guns, where the victim is not the gun owner.