HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: A few questions...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:52:33 GMT

Jyri.Virkki@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>Still, I have a few doubts. Mainly, I'd like to know whether OS/2's interface
>is mostly gui-type (a la Windows), or just shell's-in-windows (a la X-win.)?

Combination.  Use whichever you want.

>So, can I set up OS/2 so after it boots I get simply (say) 3 windows on
>my screen, each with a shell (all this defined in whatever would be the
>equivalent of .xinitrc). Then just move into one of the windows, type, say
>"wp" and have Word Perfect come up and run there; move to another window
>and run BC++, etc, etc... Or, would I have to put up with some GUI thing?

Yes, you can do this without problem.  You can run OS/2 without ever
touching the mouse.
-- 
I feel much better, now that I've given up hope.
From: chris@atl.scscom.com (Chris Boaro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: atl.1992Apr12.170024.22860
Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc.

In <54304@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:

>In <rhoward.703025832@matd> rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:

>>It's just a matter of knowing where to be and when!?!?  What an insult!

>I didn't mean it to be. Its true however- I have no doubt that a large number
>of people who would've liked to see it in NY, LA, Austin, etc. didn't simply
>because they didn't know about it.

Okay, here is notification of up coming IBM events in Atlanta:

There will be "Wraps Off" demos (like the one held on April 8th) on May
6th and June 10th. There are continuous demos starting at 10am and 
continuing through 6pm. You should call the organizer, Linda Agro, at
404-835-6899 to help her allocate resources. You can also call her there
for directions to the IBM Wildwood complex.

By the way, I'm not quite sure how you would like IBM to let you know about
this type of event. I picked up a flyer from egghead. 

Chris
From: ckincy@mcs213h.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is formatting a must?
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:23:15 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Apr15.144207.20176@watson.ibm.com> larrys@watson.ibm.com writes:
>
>I have been told by IBM Boca that, if you had an OS/2 2.0 beta driver on
>your system, you *MUST* reformat before installing GA.
>

Is there any specific reason for this?  I was able to rid all of
the insidious hidden directories and ea data files from my system.
Am I still screwed?  Must I format anyway?

Oh, yes, will reformatting screw up my IDE drive?  I had heard 
something to that effect....someone straighten me out here, please.

CPK
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Word for Windows vs. Word for PM
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:57:51 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

I have all three versions of Word. I prefer Word 5.5 in a dos box best
of all.
-- 
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= Candidate Bush wouldn't recognize principle if he were standing upon it =
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: An Apology.  Was: Idiots at the Magazines
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:10:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr1.164624.24433@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>How about this one:  In the May issue of PC Mag, John Dvorak writes a
>list of reasons why "OS/2 has failed".  Past tense.  Amazing how he
>considers a program to have failed before the release date.
>Especially when you consider that articles for the May issue were
>probably written sometime in February.  And then he does nothing more
>than re-hash the same thing he wrote two years ago about OS/2 1.2...

I took another look at that issue.  It was the May 1991 issue.  A year
old.  He must've been talking about version 1.3 or something.  Almost
forgivable (maybe).

I'm sorry for the confusion this may have caused.



-- 
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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From: bill.dehaan@rose.uucp (bill dehaan)
Subject: DOS-OS/2 Question
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:48:35 GMT
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Date Entered: 04-06-92 13:22
In message <1259@hydra.bucknell.edu>, Baker Jason Douglas writes:

JB>I have DOS 5.0 and numerous DOS programs.  If I get OS/2 2.0, do I also
JB>still have a DOS-like command line if I want one?

No, you do not have to have DOS  on your disk if you don't want it.  You
may want to,  however, if you  have programs such  as tape backup  which
requires access to IRQ and interrupts  that OS/2 uses for its' own  use.
Depends on your system.

And yes, you can  have as many DOS  and OS/2 command lines  as you want,
both full screen or  in a window. Well,  as long as you  don't want more
than 240, but that shouldn't be a real problem.

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From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: Windows as an OS Again
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:51:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.111845.6182@news.Hawaii.Edu> tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) writes:
>Jeff PARSONS writes:
>> One of his early points was that while the OS/2 code was golden
>> they were running lots of beta code in the form of new 32-bit applications.
>> I wondered why that really mattered for an environme..  I mean operating
>> system.. as robust as OS/2.
>
>Now wouldn't it be one heck of an operating system, if it could automatically
>fix bugs in application software.  No doubt NT will have this feature.
>(Come on Jeff, you can do better than that.)
>
>Seriously, somebody else believes he saw Lee only single click Reversi rather
>than double clicking.  How he thinks he could tell, I don't know; I wasn't
>there (and I'm quite envious).  Even if there were a bug, I wouldn't hold
>it against them.  When has Microsoft ever released any "golden" code of a
>new product that was bug free?  I certainly haven't encountered any yet.

Wait, a clarification.  What I said was that when he started the video
and audio, then went up and tried to start the program, nothing happened.
The program just didn't start.  The animation and sound continued and finished,
but the program (Reversi?) just sat there.  I said it LOOKED as if he might
have just single-clicked.  I wasn't even at comdex, just watching the broadcast,
so I don't know.

-Dave
-- 
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From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: SVGA modes in fullscreen DOS sessions.
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.17543.29eeaf59

I realize there are only a few various 16 color OS/2 drivers out there, so 
I was wondering the following.

Can I run something in full screen mode in any SVGA resolution?  Say run VPIC
full screened in a dos box in 800x600x32k (HiColor)?

Is this too much to ask?   It didn't work in 1.3, but I assumed that that was 
due to memory probs and the fact that I haven't learned to use it too too well
yet.

thanks for any replies.
5000
Gregg Horan
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 11:41:24 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Installing OS/2 on 5"1/2 drive from 3"1/2 disquettes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <1992Apr16.232909@masg1.epfl.ch> Ceki Gulcu writes:
>I got my copy of GA early this week. I am going to make a presenation of
>OS/2 2.0 to the Central Computer Service of our school. Now, my copy of GA
>came on 3"1/2 disquettes and I'd like to install them on a computer which has
>a 5"1/4 A: drive. I could switch the cables of drive A: and B: (3"1/2), but
>I don't wan't to do that.
>
>I have created a bootable 5"1/2 disquette using the SYSINSTX command and have
>xcopied (with the extended attributes) the disquette number 1
>(the bootable diaquette is numbered zero). However, when the blue IBM logo
>appears asking me to insert DISK_1 in drive A: the installation procedure just
>ignores the disquette, i.e the bootable disqutte boots but does not recognize
>DISK_1.
>
>With OS/2 1.3 creating a set of installation disquettes from one type to the
>other was no problem?
>
>Any suggestions?
>
This is a bad idea.  Please do not try to do this.  The install procedure is
very sensitive to what type of media it is using.  This is why we sell OS/2 on

3.5 and 5.25 inch media.

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
From: pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Stuff in comp.windows.ms
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:55:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr16.165554.22841
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Mitre Corporation

In article <1992Apr16.071332.25348@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Apr16.000136.4471@scott.skidmore.edu> pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu
(Pierre VonKaenel) writes:
> >Well.... Reversi allows multiple copies of itself in Win 3.1.
> >Solitaire does not.  I can get multiple copies of Xtalk for Windows.
> >So the report is not entirely correct.
> 
> What I have gathered is that it is up to the author of the application
> to determine whether or not multiple instances of an app is allowed.

That is correct.  When someone double clicks on an application, Windows
starts up the application.  Part of the startup information that Windows
sends to the application is a handle to the last instance of this application.
The application can look at this handle and determine whether any copies
of itself are already running and decide whether it should create a new
copy of itself or tell the already running app to go to the front of the
window list.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Subject: Re: IBM BBS phone number?
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:30:47 GMT

From article <1992Apr11.032233.25901@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, by tselling@peabody.iusb.indiana.edu (Teresa Selling):
> I have heard that there is an IBM BBS that can provide fixes and updates.
> Is this true?  I have ver 1.3, but I see no reference to a BBS.  If there
> is such a thing could someone post the phone number.  Thanks.

This BBS, is the IBM NSC BBS mentioned in the FAQ, the phone number is
(404) 835-6600.  IBM was really speedy at placing patches for the betas
on the BBS, so I would think that they will do the same for GA.
From: chris@atl.scscom.com (Chris Boaro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Interesting quotes from PC Week
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:12:28 GMT
Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc.

From "Micrsoft: Spotlight Focuses on NT"

Doug Hamilton, who wrote a great product called the Hamilton C Shell and
who has been a long time supporter of OS/2 is quoted as saying:

  "The only time IBM seems to know I'm alive is when they send me a letter
asking for money for their tool kits."
  Microsoft arranged for Hamilton to receive a free Olivetti R4000 workstation
so he could port his Hamilton C Shell from OS/2 to the RISC version of NT.

Hmm.. any of you small time developers had IBM drop by to offer you hardware 
or incentives?

From "IBM: OS/2 Eclipses by Win NT"

   ...said Fernand Sarrat, IBM's assistant general manager of Personal
Systems market development, "If some kinks still exist in the systems, well,
I can understand it." [talking about OS/2 distribution]

Can someone at IBM write Mr. Sarrat and let him know how this comes accross
to the general public? It sounds to me like "yeah, we're doing a lousy job,
but so what?".

    "IBM just wasn't as aggressive as Microsoft," said Rick Apple, vice
president of marketing for Zeos [...] which plans to distribute MS Windows
3.1 with it's systems.

Another bad sign. It looks like IBM is holding back. Thinking too much about
how it can make money on each copy of OS/2 2.0 and now about how it will
be impossible to ever make money if they don't capture a LOT of market share
in a hurry.

Chris
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Microsoft wins
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 13:10:52 GMT

> mmtl@hobson.cc.flinders.edu.au (T.Lampre) writes:
>> A recent article in PC week (I think) remarked that many OEM's pay a
>> royalty to Microsoft for every PC they sell to cover the inclusion of
>> DOS.

dch2@engr.uark.edu (David Hobbs) writes:
> Ok, is it me or does paying royalties on software not included with a 
> particular machine make absolutely no sense?  I mean, if I bought a new
> car, should I pay a royalty to some tire manufacturer whose tires are not
> on my car?

It's not quite the same analogy.  Suppose Acme Inc. wants to include MS-DOS
on the systems they sell.  What options do they have?  (Note: all figures are
hupothetical and generally way too high!)

    1.  Purchase a copy of MS-DOS from a distributor for each machine
	that is shipped with MS-DOS.  Cost: $100/copy.
    2.  Sign an agreement with Microsoft to produce an OEM version of MS-DOS.
	Cost: $50/copy.
    3.  Sign an agreement with Microsoft to produce an OEM version of MS-DOS,
	with license fees based on machine production.  Cost: $25/machine.

Now, if 80% of the customers want MS-DOS anyway, the cost of option #3 is
about $31 per copy of MS-DOS shipped.  It's still a lot cheaper than licensing
individual copies from Microsoft (or whoever the vendor of the bundled
software is).  And the deal is attractive to the software vendor as well, as
they are assured that all the machines going out the door will have their
software on the hard disk.

And, sure, you will pay something for the bundled software included with a
machine.  However, the contribution of the software to the cost of the 
system is likely only between 20% and 50% of the cost of that software were
you to buy it at the retail level.

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: ncpmont@brahms.amd.com (Mark Montgomery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Colorado Tape Support for OS/2
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:21:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: amd.1992Apr15.182114.21764
Organization: amd

I just got off the phone from talking to the CMS Tech Support
people re: this subject.  The answer to "are you going to support
OS/2 for your 'Jumbo drives'?" was "We do not currently have plans
to do so. Our big project for this year is Windows 3.1".  After
expressing the opinion that this was a poor choice on their part
but that I undestood the economics of their decision I got the rep
to enter my wish for support in their "wish list database" that is
periodically reviewed by their product planning people.  They said
they would notify me if this status changed (I'm not holding my
breath but who knows).  If anyone is interested in helping to turn
up the volume on this the number is (800)346-9881.  Automated system
will answer, press 3 for support or stay on the line.  Tell 'em that
you have a CMS system and want it supported in OS/2.  Or tell 'em you
are thinking about a tape system for OS/2 and if they don't support
it your decision won't be in favor of their products.
				Regards,  Mark Montgomery
					  (ncpmont@amd.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:42:34 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Whoops... bad driver in CONFIG.SYS
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <prao.703451410@hcfmail> Parik Rao writes:
>I've done a bad thing. :-)  I was fooling around with the OS/2 v2.0 requester,
>and since they didn't have the driver for the card installed (Cabletron)
>I tried a driver I had in my archives (apparently for OS/2 v1.3).  Well,
>to make a long story short, the machine crashes hard when the system boots.
>Is there ANY way to get back in to edit config.sys?  Or must I <shudder>
>re-install OS/2 from scratch?  I never created a bootable floppy (is
>that possible?) and the whole drive is on HPFS...
>
>The good news is that the OS/2 v2.0 requester (beta 6, from CI$) seems
>fairly nice.  The
>to dust off my old 3c503 to install.
>
>--
>parik rao                                    prao@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
>
Parik,

The solution is simple.  Boot on your install diskette. Put in disk 1 when
prompted.  The first screen (i think) that asks for you input (its grey with
blue letters) asks you to hit enter to install 2.0.  DO NOT HIT ENTER.  Hit
ESC, and you will get to a a:> prompt.  From there you can go to your C:
drive and edit your config.sys.

If you have any questions, email me directly.

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Keywords: Yesterday(4 April) I saw Windoze 3.1 for sale here.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:44:45 GMT


About IBM's lack of advertising so far, perahps they are deliberately
delaying it to give the retail channels a chance to start up.  If
they started advertising too soon, a user might decide to buy OS/2,
go to a store (like Egghead), and be told "we are not going to
carry it." After that, the user might be annoyed that IBM is
advertising what seems to be vapor-ware and reject OS/2 (until, of
course, he is forced to reconsider because of the enormous swell
of support for OS/2 as it takes over the entire market :).

Remember, we get news faster than most other people on the planet -- we
know some things before even some IBM employees find out.  Don't be
too discouraged -- if IBM is spending $40 million on advertising, you
will eventually see a marketing blitz.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: byu@csri.toronto.edu (Benjamin Yu)
Subject: Re: OS2 My experience/minor problems
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:14:31 GMT

# >In article <1992Apr9.152625.28104@cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
# >>
# >>       The printer is set up on LPT1. 
# >>
# >>	System Configuration
# >>		483 -33 8 megs of ram
# >>		130 meg IDE hardrive
# >>		Soundblaster Card
# >                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# >OS/2 uses IRQ7 (the default for the Soundblaster) for printing.  All you need
# >to do is change it to a free IRQ, and you should be in business.
# >

Can anyone tell me how to change OS/2 to use a free IRQ please?  Thanks!


Benjamin Yu
University of Toronto                 
Department of Computer Science         byu@csri.toronto.edu
Toronto, Ontario   Canada M5S 1A4      byu@csri.utoronto.ca
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From: jsvec@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Joe Svec)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Does GA come with Netware Requester or not?
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:08:02 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

OK, a recent message said that the Novell Netware requester will cost $200.
This can't possibly be correct, right.  I've seen two schools of thought on
this while frantically searching all messages for anything having to do
with the NW Requester for OS/2 version 2.0:

   1)  It does come with GA or Netware 3.11 and will either be free or $200

   2)  It DOES come with OS/2 GA, and was even included in the betas (but
       had bugs)

Whats the correct answer (this is somewhat important to me)...

Thanks
Joe Svec
(jsvec@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or svec@act-act6-po.act.org)


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Herculese programs and OS2
Keywords: Herculese, video , VGA,
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:53:55 GMT

In article <unruh.703441605@physics.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh [Unruh]) writes:
>I have a number of old programs (which I use) which run on the Herculese
>video. With my VGAwonder I can switch into Herc mono mode and run them.
>Will I be able to run them in a Dos box in OS2?

Surprisingly, if you monitor supports it, this might actually work, as
long as you run the programs full screen.  You should also disable
Alt-Home (using KBD_ALTHOME_BYPASS) and preferably not switch back to
the Workplace Shell while such a program is in use.
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin Erzberger)
Subject: Re: Update prices in Germany (bad news!)
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 08:46:38 GMT

If you can't get an upgrade in Germany, buy it in your neighbour-
country, Switzerland! They haven't fixed the details (prices, proof
of licence) yet, but it is the intention to provide upgrades from
all versions of DOS, Windows and OS/2 (especially non-IBM versions too).
However, it will probably be may until the details are known.
This information was given yesterday from an IBM rep on a meeting of
the "Swiss OS/2 User Group".
Gruss, Martin Erzberger
-- 
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