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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Alternative Medicine Challenged, Modern Medicine Challenged
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:35:13 GMT

People complain that alternative medicine is not scientifically sound, is not 
verified etc..

Well, the fact is that neither is much of modern medicine. Treatments are 
tested on large groups with careful controls. But every test depends completely
on a key assumption. Yes, it is that all other things are equal, yes the famed 
ceteris paribus. There are so many different things that effect health that you
never know whether your experimental treatment is a cause or somethinbg else 
is. The human body is so complicated that all scientific studies on it have 
serious validity problems. ( I won't even start on social sciences, a far more 
complex matter) I'm coming on too strongly, with good samples and good controls
and very careful observation, scientific tests can be valuable, but theyare not
the end all answer we are lead to believe.

There is an even greater confounding factor. If someone is sick, and you do 
NOTHING. In time, much more often than not, they will get well on their own. 
People tend to get well. Therefore scientific studies tend to show that 
treatments work. MOre importantly this leads people to believe that any 
alternative treatment works as well. We could move onward to the placebo 
effect...

The medical industry is oriented towards trearting symptoms with drugs. It
brings quick responses, it makes them money and it keeps the customer pretty
happy. We as consumers need to realize that the best treatment is prevention
and let medical professionals help us choose a heal;thy lifestyle and wise
prevention. Alternative medicine enlists the patient and makes him care about
his health all the time, not just when he is sick. this is the power of it.

When science catches up and runs all the tests it will reveal similar things
about alternative medicinbe, just like what it revealed about modern medicine
before.

Stay well

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
J.P.
email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

"The rule which forbids ending a sentence with a preposition is one up with 
which I will not put."
                                              -Winston Churchill
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: tscwhitehead@cc.weber.edu (Clarke Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Eczema and holistic cures
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Weber State University
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:40 MST  

In arti6cle <1h8b0dINNc4c@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, fish@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin Haddock) writes...

>he had several good suggestions for fasting.  If you are really serious
>you should find a clinical ecologist and have him help you with it.  You
>should be hooked up to vital signs monitoring equipment for best results.

Tricky part is finding a clinical ecologist in Ogden, UT.  This is the
mormon-dominated state where alcohol, caffeine and tobacco are to be
replaced with Twinkies, chocolate and green Kool-Aid :)  Alternative
medicines haven't received much of a following here in general.

>health.  Maybe everyone reading this group can ask around to see if any
>one knows a clinical ecologist and we could get him on the net to fill us
>in?  ;-)

It would be interesting to hear from one.  Thanks again Kevin.

Clarke
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:05:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.



>Homeopathy isn't a religion Richard. At least read up on it before
>you spout off.

I have. It is a religion, in essence, because its adherents  
require no evidence for its efficacy beyond the anecdotal. Name some
double blind trials that were not conducted and sponsored by people 
with a monetary interest in the outcome.
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: djkahle@athena.mit.edu (David J Kahle)
Subject: Tuition Assistance Plans
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:52:57 GMT


I'm interested in the types of education or tuition assistance
benefits which American companies are offering to their employees.  If
you know of any informative sources or if you are offered such
benefits from your employer, I would appreciate a reply.
Thanks
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:23:07 GMT

In article <38069@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec24.224317.25542@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|> 
|> # Every single person that lost a job because of this preference
|> # personally owed the veterans a debt. Virtually everybody benefited
|> # from the war (or thought they had), but only the veterans had to
|> # risk their lives.
|> 
|> You don't think that American workers benefitted from having had 10
|> percent of the population excluded from the job market?

They probably did. I would say that that was another reason in favor of the
"preference" if it weren't for the fact that the same people that had an
easier time job hunting payed significantly higher taxes to finance the
salaries of those abroad.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.college
From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Subject: Reasonable debt??
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:58:59 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: graduate expenses

I'm looking for *current* information about the expense
of graduate school. 

What is considered a "reasonable" amount of debt to incur?
What is a fair expectation for the
school to kick in - teaching stipend, aid....???

Some metrics would be very helpful: if I'm applying debt-free
(at this point) and income_free :-), what should I expect to see???
What do schools expect me to bring to the table??

Thanks for any help you can offer !!!!

email -> att!wmsa!klf

Karen
Xref: sparky misc.education:5616 soc.culture.african.american:13395
From: turnerbl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Date: 3 Jan 93 14:34:13 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati


>>How about a new topic, like the horrible failure of the academic system to
>>graduate african american students?  Just a thought.  
>>
> Your political correctness is showing.  How about the failure of african
> american students to graduate from the academic system?
		    *****my what?  how dare you!****
>>
>>B Turner
>>Admissions Officer
>>University of Cincinnati
>>
> One answer is that admissions officers admit students that can't do 
> university level work because of affirmative discrimation programs. 


wrong pal!  we admit qualified students who meet the criteria set forth by our
boards and the politicans who appoint them.  If you have a problem with that, I
suggest you vote them in/out.  

As far as affirmative action, you are way out of line.  To quote a current tv
commercial, "como esta usted."  The complection of this country is changing and
in the early part of the next century, the majority of the USA will be made up
of non-white americans.  Now, we have two choices.  The first is to exclude
them from the educational opportunities that will enable all of us to function
in a multi cultural society.  Or we can throw a big wall up around ourselves
and  get some of those used "africanners only" signs.  Your choice.

> It seems more and more students, both black and white, can't do
> university level work because the public school system AND their families
> have failed to make sure that they are educated. 

Or could it be because state governments/local voters refuse to fund the
systems that are supposed to educate ALL the students, not just the rich white
suburban ones?  Your ignorance of higher education is showing and your opinions
prove it.

(I could go into my
> anti-public school ranting and raving at this time but I won't.) The
> universities can't make up for 12 years of wasted time.

But we can try to make a difference in the lives of each and every student who
tries to.  You, it would seem, would rather replicate yourself only.  Nice try,
but the math will win out in the end and you will have to deal with the facts,
like them or not.  Unless you want a lot of ill-eduacted, racialy divided, and
not real happy with you folks out-voting you and unable to get jobs (ie unable
to cntribute to YOUR Social Security) we have to do a better job of educating
all our young people.  What do you think?

B. Turner
University of Cincinnati

	"opinions are mine alone and nasty remarks will be giggeled at"
From: saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Wanted:European business Schools Info.
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:30:33 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: McGill University

I am looking for information on two schools in Europe that offer the MBA
degree:
1) The American Graduate School of Business, Montreux, Switzerland
2) The University of Southern Europe, Monaco
I would like to know if anybody has heard of these schools and anything of
their reputation.  Obviously, I can't ask them directly, so I am relying on
everybody else for help...please respond.
Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.culture.african.american
From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson)
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: These are my opinions.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:04:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.104052.2323@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> turnerbl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>How about a new topic, like the horrible failure of the academic system to
>graduate african american students?  Just a thought.  
>
Your political correctness is showing.  How about the failure of african
american students to graduate from the academic system?

>
>B Turner
>Admissions Officer
>University of Cincinnati
>
One answer is that admissions officers admit students that can't do 
university level work because of affirmative discrimation programs. 
It seems more and more students, both black and white, can't do
university level work because the public school system AND their families
have failed to make sure that they are educated. (I could go into my
anti-public school ranting and raving at this time but I won't.) The
universities can't make up for 12 years of wasted time.

Signature follows:
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God,
 and there is none else"


=========================================================================
David L. Hanson       Internet --> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com
Amoco Corporation     X.400    --> A=attmail,P=amoco,S=Hanson,G=David,I=L
Any opinions expressed are my own!
From: oshea@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (michael oshea)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: WANTED: Spanish/LA Internet Contacts Info.
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I am interested in accessing via internet Spanish or Latin
Amerian sites so that a dialogue cna be opened in Engilsh or
Spanish.  I am interested in native language resources
available through internet.  Would appreciate suggestions for
establishing such a link.  thank you in advance.
oshea@poe.acc@Virginia.EDU.
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Teachers: Respond, Please.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:04:30 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23681  USA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorba7.larc.nasa.gov

As a citizen of this country, I am extremely interested in
what is happening in the public schools and private
universities around the country.  My interest has recently
peeked, and I just read two extremely informative books that
I would like to get opinions on.  They are:

1) "Why Johnny Can't Tell Right from Wrong--moral illiteracy
    and the case for character education,"  William Kilpatrick,
    Vintage Books, 1992

2) "Illiberal Education--the politics of race and sex on
    campus,"  Dinesh D'Souza, Simon & Schuster, 1992

If you have read these books, please send your opinions
and comments to my e-mail address along with your position
within the educational system, if any.  Name optional.

Thank for any responses you offer, and all responses
will be for my personal use only--I promise!

Mike

Mike Rowland (Contractor),  MS 475
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov
Xref: sparky misc.education:5600 alt.sex:40664
From: merryw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (merry wolf)
Newsgroups: misc.education,alt.sex
Subject: positive sex education
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: merryw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (merry wolf)
Followup-To: misc.education
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: merryw@grumpy.cc.utexas.edu



I am interested in helping with the education of all people on what
I term "positive sex."  That is, enjoyable, fun sex that is safe from
problems of possible pregnancy and/or possible disease transmission.

I looked for newsgroups with such patterns as advocacy, support, child,
sex and education.  Only two groups seemed even remotely related.  Perhaps
I should include groups with a medical focus as well?

Anyway, if there is anyone who has ideas on how to go about bringing this
possibly controversial information to the public, and how to do so 
without stepping on too many toes or getting into legal hot water, please
drop me a line.

As an afterthought, what has prompted this is what appears to be a great
rise in adolescent AIDS and the usual problem of adolescent pregnancy.
I'd like to have people know about all the wonderful options for enjoying
sex that are not 'immediately' thought of when that word is mentioned.
All the things that feel good that do not include (necessarily) penetration
or exchange of bodily fluids.

Nuff said.  Any ideas?



-- 
==   ". . . Words don't transport the contents of my head into yours,        ==
==   they give you a set of directions for building your own meaning."       ==
==  Merry A. Wolf                                             -Peter Elbow   ==
==  >>> merryw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu <     OR                merryw@tenet.edu   ==
From: icrosby@romulus.Reed.Edu (Ian Bradford Crosby)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: HELP!-Scholarships/Grants
Date: 28 Dec 92 05:10:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec28.051028.13157
Reply-To: Sam
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

We've all heard about the mega-$$$ in scholarship and grant money that  
goes unclaimed each year.  We all know as well about those services that  
post little business reply cards outside of the financial aid office which  
promise to locate a chunk of that cash for you, for a fee of course.  Here  
is what I don't know: do these services each construct their own databases  
from which they gather their information, or is there something out there  
in netland that I, as an impoverished student, can access for free?  In  
other words, am I paying these folks for a database which they assembled,  
which I would gladly do, or am I paying them for searching public  
resources, which I would rather do myself?  An answer to this question, or  
info telling me where to look myself would be greatly appreciated.

Ian B. Crosby
icrosby@romulus.reed.edu
From: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Should I Participate?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:28:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23681  USA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorba7.larc.nasa.gov

What is the stance in the education community about
a single, no children person going to PTA and school
board meetings and really getting involved in the
education choices they make?

Mike

Mike Rowland (Contractor),  MS 475
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: usgcjsx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Craig_J_Stadler)
Subject: Free Test Generation Software
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:44:35 GMT

TestPRO 2.0 Test Generation Software Is Now Available On The Following
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129.206.100.126  /pub/msdos/simtel/education  or  /incoming
128.214.6.100    /pub/msdos/misc/education
128.214.87.1     /pc/education  or  /pc/incoming
129.128.16.96    /pub/dos/education  or  /incoming
146.169.2.1      /tmp
128.200.15.20    /incoming
128.252.135.4    /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS  or /mirrors/msdos/education
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From: macgregor@master.lds-az.loral.com (Mac Macgregor)
Newsgroups: misc.education,misc.books.technical
Subject: Demise of Textbook Publishers (Repost)
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:37:13 GMT
Organization: LDS-AZ

I posted this a week ago, but my link to the net went down, and
I don't know if I got any responses!

Over the past decade, I have dealt with, reviewed, adopted, considered
adopting, etc. etc. a variety of Computer Survey/Programming/
Systems Analysis textbooks for my Community College courses.

Apparently there have been a lot of mergers and acquisitions
in recent years & it's left me confused as to who has survived.
I would appreciate it if any netters out there could shed some
light on who is still active in the field, who owns who, and 
why A survived but B didn't.  Needless to say, I consider this
to be an unfortunate trend (i.e. the "little fish" publishers
being eaten by the "big fish" publishers), but maybe I'm just
not getting with the global competition ticket ...

Here's the list of publishers I'm aware of, and the location
of their College Text operations:

Allyn & Bacon Inc. - NJ
Boyd & Fraser Pub. Co. - MA
Wm. C. Brown Co. Pub. - IA
Business Publications Inc. - TX
Brooks/Cole Pub. Co. - CA
Bell & Howell - OH
CBS College Publishing - CA:
			Dryden
			Holt, Rinehart, Winston
			Saunders College
Computer Science Press - MD
Dilithium Press - OR
Dellen Pub. Co. - CA
Harper & Row - CA
Houghton Mifflin - CA
R. D. Irwin Inc. Publishing - IL
Kent - ?
Chas. E. Merrill - OH
Mitchel Publishing
McGraw-Hill Pub. Co. - NY:
			Gregg Division
Mac<illan Pub. Co. - NY
Mayfield Pub. Co. - CA
Prentice-Hall Pub. - NJ
PWS Publishers - MA
South-Western Pub. Co. - CA
Sanders Pub. - NH
Science Research Associates - IL
Van Nostrand Rinehart - KT
John Wiley & Sons Inc. - NY
West Publishing Co. -MN
Wadsworth Pub. - CA
Yourdon Press - NY

Thanks in advance,
Mac
--------------------------------
Mac MacGregor     (602) 925-7112
macgregor@master.lds-az.loral.com
--------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:54:47 GMT

> In article <1992Dec24.224317.25542@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu  
(Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> 
> # Every single person that lost a job because of this preference
> # personally owed the veterans a debt. Virtually everybody benefited
> # from the war (or thought they had), but only the veterans had to
> # risk their lives.

     So what you're saying is, there *are* circumstances under which it is  
just to hire someone for reasons other than merit. Interesting.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: raismana@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Neal A Raisman)
Subject: Structural Changes in Higher Ed
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:32:40 GMT

  I am studying statewide changes in university, college and/or community
  college systems within states.  So far this year, five states completed
  statewide taskforces on their higher education systems and published
  results and recommendations.  Some of these changes are to the actual
  structure of the system.  The changes include combining schools, changing
  the status of a college, directing a mission shift, focusing the colleges
  on different objectives, etc.  I am seeking as much information and the
  documentation of the information as I can find.  For example, I am after
  copies of statewide taskforce reports, legislation, background documents,
  etc.  In the case of a large system shift such as that recommended for
  CUNY, I am looking at that as if it were a statewide shift.  CUNY is as
  large, and larger, than some state systems.  What I am trying to do is
  identify factors leading to change as well as the trends involved in the
  individual state or system changes which might be identified as national
  trends.
    If you can send me, or let me know where I can obtain the documents,
  reports, recommendations, legislation, I need, please send them to me or
  send me the address to get them.  Any further information will be welcome.
		Neal Raisman
		202 Administration Bldg.  ml  097
		University of Cincinnati
		Cincinnati, OH  45221-0097

  Your help and information will be greatly appreciated.
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Newsgroups: misc.education
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:43:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <38069@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.224317.25542@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

># Every single person that lost a job because of this preference
># personally owed the veterans a debt. Virtually everybody benefited
># from the war (or thought they had), but only the veterans had to
># risk their lives.

>You don't think that American workers benefitted from having had 10
>percent of the population excluded from the job market?

Of course they didn't.  Any policy that wastes a resource (and labor
is a resource) hurts the economy.  It's just as bad for the economy
and for workers as stopping immigrants who want to work from coming to
the US.

Of course, a few people do benefit - for example members of unions
that could be broken if more cheap labor was available to break their
strikes, but that's a rather limited subset of American workers.


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From: scott@edstar.ucsb.edu (Scott L. Thomas)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Foundations for Teacher Support
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:33:12 GMT
Organization: UCSB Graduate School of Education

I am looking for information on a group known as IMPACT II, a network of
teacher support groups that began about 13 years ago in New York City
with financing from the Exxon Education Foundation.  People in our
region are contemplating the demand for a foundation that would provide
instructional improvement dollars directly to teachers at the K-12
level.  This would be similar to a program taking place in Los Angeles,
the Small Grants for Teachers program run by the Los Angeles Educational
Partnership, and would provide instructional improvement grants of less
than $1000 dollars/year to teachers submitting unusually innovative
ideas for their classroom.  I woud be interested in hearing your
thoughts on this idea and would appreciate any information you may have
about any of the above mentioned groups.  Thanks.

Scott Thomas
University of California
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