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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: RFD: Split Alt.BBs.Internet
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:02:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.3txjbt.fuzzy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>What we need, and I'm prepared to create, is:

>alt.internet.services
>alt.internet.access
>		   [.personal]
>		   [.connections]

>This re-organization is a thing whose time has come!!

I heartily agree...One of the great unused aspects of UseNet is the
ability to organize things so that they are easy to find and easy to
figure out.  I know that if I were looking for information about
Internet services or Internet access from my hometown, alt.bbs.internet
is NOT the group I would think to look in!  In fact, I really stumbled
upon the group by accident, and I suppose many others have.  This is not
sufficient to say that that is the way it should be.

-- 
Fuzzy Fox                                fuzzy@netcom.com
Also known as David DeSimone             an207@cleveland.freenet.edu

                               "Foxes are people too!  And vice versa."
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music.rush
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:26:58 GMT

In <cubsfan.702845398@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>"As soon as alt.music.rush is formed, every band will want its
>own group."
>
>No! I am doing this the right way, posting a RFD, charter, and waiting
>for discussion. If fans of other bands can do this the right way, then
>more power to them. We have this right. It is not up to net.police to
>decide what is right or wrong on the net!

NONSENSE!  You are a living example of the same statment applied
to rec.music.phish.  We said "everyone will start clamoring for
new newsgroups for THEIR favorite band."  Here, within the month
we already have new requests for alt.music.rush, alt.music.enya,
and a burgeoning bout of silliness with rec.music.enya.

Do you deny the evidence of your senses?  Do you want to perpetuate this
process until it is even more of a problem?

Usenet is NOT a matter of "rights to make newsgroups", but a collective
anarchy.  It has worked to date because people work together and try
to keep in mind the good of the net (for the most part), NOT because
they all want their own petty fiefdoms.  Just because you follow the
rules doesn't mean that you "deserve" or need the group!  That's why
the rules have discussion, and why they have voting for the main
heirarchy.  As far as alt goes, you seem sadly confused, because
alt does NOT require anything more than a reasonable attempt at
discussion and common sense.

It seems sad to say that there is a severe lack of that last around
here lately.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                She was the kind of woman who lived for others.
                You could tell the others by their hunted look.
Organization: Mindcrime
X-Subliminal-Message: Marhefkasnot!
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 20:13:27 EDT
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.who-would-win
 <1992Apr14.011328.20224@cbfsb.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Apr14.011328.20224@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(scott.forbes) says:
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion, proposing the creation of an
>unmoderated newsgroup:
>
>alt.who-would-win
>  Discussions of the "X vs. Y" variety, where X and Y are two fictional
>  characters, groups, ships, weapons, objects, or any other two things
>  for which the outcome of a battle is debatable.

This would be great!  Esp. since I think it was my idea in the first place...
I vote YES!!!
By the way, I know that the Enterprise v Galactica was already done, I read
it. (I think I read it, if it was the one where they met but didn't actually
fight each other...)

 Sime

 "If there's a new way,
  I'll be the first in line"        "Now there is a school that
                                     self-destructed not because
 "A couple grains of powder,         society didn't care, but
  A couple grams of lead,            because the school _was_
  A touch against the trigger,       society.  Pretty deep, huh?"
  A touch inside your head"                   -J.D.
         -Megadeth                             in "Heathers"
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.war,soc.history,soc.culture.usa
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: The name will be alt.war.civil.usa
Followup-To:  alt.config
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:17:58 GMT


The American Civil War newsgroup will be called alt.war.civil.usa.  I decided
on this name because of its shortness, the way it fits into the hierarchy, and
its less ambiguous title (usa instead of American).

I will wait for several more days to allow additional opinions to be heard
regarding this newsgroup before making a decision on creating it.  Your 
suggestions are
appreciated.

Thanks, all--

Patrick Dunn
pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: brown@castor.cs.uga.edu (Uncle Meat)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: alt.ev to be created tommorrow.
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:09:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I think that "alt.eternal-vigil" would be the best name.

-- 
Daniel W. Brown (brown@castor.cs.uga.edu)

"Who could imagine -- that they would freak out in Washington, D.C.?
	--FZ
From: klappala@vipunen.hut.fi ("Kuisma Lappalainen")
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.karaoke
Subject: Newsgroup will change name soon
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:55:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Originator: klappala@vipunen.hut.fi

Since newsgroup alt.karaoke doesn't seem to have enough articles in it and
since I've found out that the newgroup message has not gone to some sites,
I retry to create the group, but this will change the name. New name for
the group will be alt.music.karaoke.

-- 
Kuisma.Lappalainen@hut.fi / Va Fna Senapvfpb, ng Whfgva Urezna Cynmn, gurer vf
-------------------------- n erq tenssvgv gung fnlf: "Ebpx 'A' Ebyy fgbcf gur
genssvp." Nf Trbetr Rnfgzna unf pubfra G-ZNK gb fgber gur tenssvgv, gurer ner
abg znal jub ner njner gung gur tenssvgv vf erq. Vgf jevgre vf irel snzbhf.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Create alt.tm for Transcendental Meditators?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 16:54:25 GMT

 Chris> == Chris WESTIN <chriswe@microsoft.com> 

 Chris> I'd like to propose creating the newsgroup "alt.tm" for people
 Chris> who have taken the Transcendental Meditation course, and those
 Chris> who might be interested in it.

Bad name, bad name, bad name.  Worse than "alt.ev", even, since "alt.tm"
will make people think of trademarks.

alt.meditation.transcendental, perhaps.
               12345678901234
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--Chris
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System Manager & Postmaster     |  "There's always something going out of
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Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.history,soc.culture.usa,alt.war
From: dmz1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Daniel M Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.american-civil-war
Reply-To: dmz1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Daniel M Zabetakis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.060241.26589@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>
>This is a formal request for discussion regarding the creation of a new
>unmoderated newsgroup, alt.american-civil-war.
>
     I don't really take a position on this, but I would suggest a change
of name. Alt.war was intended to start a hiearchy. I think it would be
nice to make the group something like alt.war.us-civil, or
alt.war.civil.us.  This way, we would start a nice way of organizing
discussions of different conflicts. Eventually, people will want to
start other groups.
      We might eventually start a group called alt.war.philosophy, since
there had recently been interest in discussing war/anti-war in at least
two different groups.

DanZ


This article is for entertainment purposes only. Any facts, opinions, or
narratives contained herein are not necessarily true, and do not
necessarily represent the views of any particular person.
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: newgroup proposal -= alt.president.h-ross-perot =-
Date: 3 Apr 92 21:59:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr3.215901.22665
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <11711@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
>I propose that the following newgroup be created under Altnet (or is it  
>HAPPYnet?):
>
>	alt.president.h-ross-perot

Why?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: IACC Headquaters is moving
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:16:05 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Effective on April 15 IACC will have a new home and a new address.
The new address and phone are as follows....

International Association of Conference Centers
243 North Lindbergh Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63141

phone (314)993-8575
fax   (314)993-8919
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: Greenbrier Update
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:42:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: admin1.1992Apr6.114248.1742
Organization: Memphis State University

Robert C. Whiteley, Vice Chairman and co-founder of the Forum Corporation
and author of THE CUSTOMER DRIVEN COMPANY, MOVING FROM TALK TO ACTION, was the
keynote speaker at the 11th Annual IACC Conference.

Whiteley covered a variety of topics, all relating to providing quality
service.  One of his major points underscored that front-line workers
are aware of a wider array of problems within a company than is top management,
yet in most companies the workers are not empowered to solve these problems.

All attendees found a copy of Mr. Whitely's book in their rooms that 
evening, compliments of Harrison Conference Centers.

On another topic....

Japan follows U.S. lead.... 
The first western style conference center has opened in Japan.  Previously,
conference centers in Japan were more like "hell camps" rather than the 
comfortable facilities we tend to expect in the U.S.  There is now one 
exception to that rule...Biwako Conference Center in Hikone City.  The 46
room center includes one suite and five tatami-mat guest rooms.  Meeting 
space includes one large conference room as well as several breakouts.
Not totally westernized the center also contains a karaoke bar, a public
tatami room for formal Japanese tea services, and Japanese public baths.

The dining room overlooks Biwako (Lake Biwa), Japans largest lake.
The game room features billiards, and a juke box stocked with 50's
rock 'n roll.  They also have 11 Nautilus style exercise machines.

Well, back to work, more to follow when I get a chance.

Sam
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: More Greenbrier, etc.
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:14:33 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Al Gunneson, founder and general manager of the Gunneson Group, spoke 
to IACC on Quality Improvement.  He said that many companies make three
mistakes when implementing quality programs.

	1.  Failing to install a comprehensive system involving employees
		throughout the organization.

	2.  Failing to create an appropriate atmosphere for employee input.

	3.  Going for the wrong results - pockets of improvement rather
		than striving for quality implementation in overall management.

IACC Study Tours.....

	April 15 - Atlanta
	April 24 - Hartford

In Atlanta you'll visit Peachtree, Evergreen, and Timber Ridge,
In Hartford - AEtna Institute, Gray Conference Center at the U of Hartford,
and Hamilton Heights.

IACC members $50, non members $100

Call IACC HQ for more information.
From: paul@terra.ucsc.edu (Paul Tatarsky)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: A Professional Proposal
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:07:36 GMT
Reply-To: paul@terra.ucsc.edu
Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE

I have watched this newsgroup now for about a month, with interest
in seeing electronic communications being used to solve a very serious
national problem. What I have seen is not worth the typing to describe.
I would like to make the following proposal:

1. Remove this group. It's been included now in too many followup lines, and
will be plagued by the sort of comments seen already.

2. Contact whoever the creators were in Texas and tell them to clean up their
act. If I were a parent with a missing child and I saw this group I would
be pissed off to the extreme. 

3. Create a damn ftp site with GIF images of the children. If no one else
offers disk space, I'll do it. This seems to be such an obvious need, that
it amazes me to see this issue even be discussed. How the hell do you
find missing kids off a text description? 

If any other individuals have ideas or resources please communicate
by email. I am going to unsubscribe to this group.

    Paul Tatarsky         email: paul@terra.ucsc.edu
    CIS/CE Board     
    Technical Staff
From: nin15b53@merrimack.edu (Ed Greenwood)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Pine Ridge Supporters Sought! (see "148")
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:00:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: merrimac.1992Apr8.120051.1570
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

Message "148" should be titled, "Pine Ridge Supporters Sought".

Thank You.
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From: gentile@bcse.enet.dec.com (My name is Sam Gentile)
Newsgroups: alt.native,alt.activism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Legal assistance required
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:32:08 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr10.161053.10817@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes...
>Your help is needed.
> 
>Perhaps you've read in the Lakota Times, the story on Tony Rios out of Rapid    
>City, SD.  Tony is a minor who was convicted of 1st degree manslaughter on
>Feb 3rd, 1992.  He pleaded innocent by reason of self-defence.  Later he was

Thanks for your note. I did read this in the Lakota Times but I couldn't 
really understand what happened. Was Tony attacked and trying to defend
himself?

Sam
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: gentile@bcse.enet.dec.com (My name is Sam Gentile)
Subject: Re: 148
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  8 APR 92 13:11:21    


In article <1992Apr7.214430.1568@merrimack.edu>, nin15b53@merrimack.edu (Ed Greenwood) writes...
>Does anyone know of any groups or organizations that regularly run 
>fund raising activities to benefit the Lakotah people of Pine Ridge, SD?
> 
>Professor George Luter, moderator of U. Mass., Lowell's Native American
>Outreach Organization, would be greatly interested in hearing from such
>groups in hopes of joining forces under an umbrella organization to better
>serve the inhabitants of communities such as Wounded Knee.
> 
>Please reply to me, Bob Leyland, and I will forward all replies to Professor
>Luter.
> 
>In the near future, Professor Luter will be posting articles regarding
>the current events and issues of the Pine Ridge Reservation.
> 
>Thank you.

There is an organization that I am afiliated with called Circle Of Children.
It is a non-profit organization dedicated to enriching the lives of Lakota
Sioux children on the Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota. From the brochure:
"Circle of Children was born out of one woman's experience of sponsoring
triplet girls on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. Through this
rewarding relationship she became aware of the widespread need of the 
Lakota (Oglala) Sioux. In response, a non-profit organization, Circle of
Children was established. The goal of this organization is to enrich the
lives of these children. We believe that one of the most effective ways
to contribute to a child's development is through an interpersonal 
realtionship. Thus the main objective of Circle of Children is to find 
sponsors."
	My fiance and I am have become sponsors and will be joining the 
board of directors. I have checked it out and they have nothing to do with
religion or politics. Lakota people that I know have asked not to 
contribute to organizations run by the Catholics and missionaries that
destroy their culture. The address is:
		Circle of Children
		1644 Massachusetts Avenue
		Suite 42
		Lexington MA 02173

You can call Shivani Baker for more info at 617-861-2938 or you can mail me.

Sam
From: gentile@bcse.enet.dec.com (Yah-tah-hey!)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Lakota language
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:20:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr12.234236.1422@sdf.lonestar.org>, jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org (John Trimble) writes...
>Han washte
>Can anyone recomend a good book on basic Lakota language, i.e. a Lakota primer. Thanks, Clyde Bond c/o jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org

I don't know if there is a primer on the language. If there is, I would 
appreciate it if someone would let me know. But, there is a dictionary. It
is the Buechel Lakota Dictionary, available for $19 from :
	Buechel Memorial Lakota Museum
	350 South Oak St.
	P.O. Box 149
	St. Frances, SD 57572

Sam
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Your beliefs
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:58:18 GMT
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA

In Islam, it is believed that every nation had received it's messanger
from God.   Many Muslims agree that the Native Americans have too received
a Prophet who united the different tribes of the Native American.  Also 
I have heard that he had given many prophecies of coming times.  

In the light of the above, I would be very interested to have an insight
of the beliefs of the Native American people.  Has there been a belief in
One God only?  If so what was the name of God?  Or id there worship of
objects etc? Also the different prophecies fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled?

Could someone with the knowledge kindly post or send email to me regarding 
the above.  I will appreciate it very much.

Brothers,

Sharaaz Khan
From: coody@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Hopi Runner
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:35:11 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

I am trying to find information on a Hopi who was a runner in
the 1903 Olympics, our library here is turning up no information.
I appreciate any suggestions or help on this matter.

Robert Coody
From: rjsalvad@iastate.edu (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: Re: Lakota language
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:50:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.234236.1422@sdf.lonestar.org> jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org (John Trimble) writes:
>Han washte
>Can anyone recomend a good book on basic Lakota language, i.e. a Lakota primer. Thanks, Clyde Bond c/o jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org

Some of this may not help, but a search of our electronic catalog here
turned up the following:

Grant, Paul WarCloud
Sioux dictionary, over 4,000 words, pronunciation-at-a-glance
2nd ed
Pierre, S.D. State Pub. Co. c1971
xi, 192 p. 22cm

Karol, Joseph S.
Everyday Lakota: an English-Sioux dictionary for beginners
Lincoln: Nebraska Curriculum Development Center, Univ. of Nebraska c. 1971
122 p. 22 cm

Buechel, Eugene
A dictionary of the Teton Dakota Sioux language; Lakota-English, English-Lakota
Edited by Paul Manhart in coopration with the Inst. of Indian Studies, Univ. SD
Pine Ridge, S.D., Red Cloud Indian School, Holy Rosary Mission, 1970
vi, 852 p. 26 cm
From: rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now)
Newsgroups: alt.native,alt.activism,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Legal assistance required
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:38:14 GMT

)>Your help is needed.
)> 
)>Perhaps you've read in the Lakota Times, the story on Tony Rios out of Rapid 
)>City, SD.  Tony is a minor who was convicted of 1st degree manslaughter on
)>Feb 3rd, 1992.  He pleaded innocent by reason of self-defence.  Later he was

)Thanks for your note. I did read this in the Lakota Times but I couldn't 
)really understand what happened. Was Tony attacked and trying to defend
)himself?
)
)Sam

From what I understand and remember, yes.  Tony, who is Indian and was
16 or 17 at the time of the incident, was outside a storefront in
downtown Rapid City. (I'm not sure if it was a storefront, as I no longer
have the Lakota Times issue with the complete story.)  Anyway, there was
an older white man there who began to taunt and provoke Tony by saying
things about him and some woman they both knew.  Well, it got heated and
the man grabbed Tony's hand (or fingers) and began to hurt him.  One thing
led to another and Tony ended up stabbing the guy.

Tony was then placed in solitary confinement.  He saw nobody for several
months, even his mother was not allowed to see him.  He also tried to
commit suicide 7 times while awaiting trial.


--
rj pietkivitch       |  "Moon, my long lost friend, is smiling from above."
rjp1@ihburn.att.com  |   -- Genesis, Stagnation
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: spgreg@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Macrae)
Subject: Re: Andy Rooney Letter
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  7 Apr 1992 19:10 EDT  

In article <1992Apr7.135916.6310@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ar467@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C. Jamieson) writes...
> 
>No matter what his views may be would the best response
>not be to invite him to see the positive side of things?
>He might just accept the invitation....
> 
>Chances are he has never had an invitation to visit anything 
>native peoples are doing. 

Do I detect a desire to lead rather than push?  

I suspect, and it is unfortunate if I am correct, that this will not 
work with Rooney.  Judging from his comentaries, he is interested only 
in shallow attempts at humor and derision that sell and make money.  I 
personally find nearly all of his work humorless and pitiful.  

Most other responses I have seen here will be equally inefective.  I have
seen point by point responses to his article posted, and sheer inflamed 
responses, but nothing that addresses his underlying comment.  He suggests
that the dominance of northern european culture in America is proof that 
the native american ways are inferior.  Clearly, this is not a proof of 
anything, and there are strong arguments against him.  Not the least of 
these is the approaching ecological bankruptcy our "western" consumption
habits are generating.  Can anyone put together a cogent argument that
counters Rooney?  Is there a way to get this argument before the people 
in order to give them an option to the drivel from the likes of Rooney?
Wouldn't this be a more effective, more satisfying and more enduring 
response?
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