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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: DRAFT 10th Edition definitions
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:50:49 GMT

In <daemon.92Nov10050744@is.morgan.com> Frank Revi <71551.2461@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>     2.4   Complete pass:  Two conditions are required for a complete pass:

>    b.   The receiver's last ground contact before touching the disc, first
>         ground contact while touching the disc, and any ground contact
>         between, must be completely in-bounds

The phrase ``any ground contact between'' seems redundant.

You might want.

	The receiver's last ground contact before touching the disc, and
	all ground contact while touching the disc must be completely 
	in-bounds until the receiver has established possession
	of the disc.

To differentiate between contact with the disc and establishing possession.

You want both parts a) and b) to mention that a completed pass ends in 
possession.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:28:07 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Distribution: world
Subject: DRAFT 10th Edition definitions

You propose to define
>     2.8   State of Play
>         ...
>           b.  Live disc: Game disc is subject to turnover, but may not be
>               legally passed.

The word "live" is a little misleading here.  How about "frozen disc"?
Or "stopped"?

Tim

P.S. Please try to use a linelength of 80 characters. :-)
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Another question....
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:17:34 GMT


In article <BxKMqB.5y3@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> cmparris@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish) writes:
>Well, I have anther question already.... If a thrower makes a toss
>that results in his hand or arm contacting the stationary limb or body
>of a marker is it a foul? Also to carry it one step further, what if
>the thrower attempts to reach around the marker(who is not moving his
>blocking arm towards the thrower, but instead downward) and the marker
>hits the hand/arm of the thrower? Is it still a foul even though the
>thrower moved into the marker "space"?

You've touched on probably the most controversial aspect of the game.
The marker has the right to his/her space, so following through into
a stationary marker is a foul on the thrower. On the other hand, if it
didn't affect the play and wasn't considered dangerous it might not be
called (dangerous play is always a violation, according to the rules).
That might, unfortunately, depend on the seriousness of the game.

In the case where the thrower is throwing around the marker and the
marker is moving but claims to have gotten his/her arm/leg/body in
position, you generally get some heated discussion followed by the
disc coming back to the thrower and play restarting with a check. That
is, this call rarely has a definitive answer, in my opinion, so you
end up doing the default thing and sending the disc back.

One suggestion might be to try an avoid the situation as a thrower by
getting a few good fakes in before throwing, to move the marker around.

George
-- 
George Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: rigler@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Killing Pace)
Subject: KAIMANA KLASSIK VI
Summary: February Tournaments in Hawaii
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:22:30 GMT

In article <22787@venera.isi.edu> feldy@venera.isi.edu () writes:
>Anybody have the scoop on the Kaimani (sp?) Klassic...?

Here ya go:


                     Ultimate Hawaii Presents

                       KAIMANA KLASSIK VI

           President's Day Weekend, February 13 & 14, 1993
                       at our new location
               on the majestic north shore of O'ahu

Ultimate will be ocean side at the scenic Mokuleia Polo Grounds on ten 
full sized fields.  Surf to the north, Waianae mountains surround, Kaena 
Point to Sunset Beach panorama, sunsets, and lots of great ULTIMATE.

Since the fields are far, far from Waikiki, we have reserved Camp Erdman
a private YMCA affiliate about 2 miles from the fields.  This location 
facilitates all the good things about Ultimate: togetherness, partying,
cookouts, campfires, live bands, sandy beach, clean and secure sleeping
<heh-heh...not when *I'm* around>.  There are 16 cabins available that 
sleep 16 each and 6 that sleep 8.  Hawaii is not cheap to visit, so 
Ultimate Hawaii once again comes to the rescue with the all inclusive:

    KAIMANA KLASSIK ULTIMATE DEAL:

    o  3 nights on a cot in a cabin with hot showers -- Fri, Sat, & Sun
    o  3 dinners -- Friday carbo load, Walter's Saturday Fiesta, & Sunday
                    Ultimate Luau
    o  2 breakfasts -- Saturday & Sunday morning
    o  1 tournament shirt
    o  1 tournament disk

    NO ADDITIONAL TOURNAMENT FEE

Deal is $90 if received by December 15, 1992, $100 if received by 
January 15, 1993, or $120 if received after January 15, 1993.  Prices
based on entire cabin single occupancy.

Please contact the Tournament Directors for shared cabin arrangements, 
final amount due, and payment options.  Vegetarian meals available by 
request.  Contact the tournament coordinators to reserve your space now!
Team deposits are encouraged.  Individuals without teams are welcome;
there will be mixed plate teams.  Reserve early as space will fill fast
(and costs less to boot).

Tournament Directors -- drewBOB (808 263-8616 & Gumby (808) 373-4142
   Woman's Tournament Coordinator -- Chandy Bridges (808) 946-5713
    Men's Tournament Coordinator -- Brant Dickey (808) 259-6591
      Travel Coordinator -- Charles Shaeffer (808) 359-6694 

 
-= Mike Rigler =-

--
From: Frank Revi <71551.2461@CompuServe.COM>
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Rules questions....
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:37 GMT


In article <BxIvIp.22x@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> cmparris@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish) writes:
>  I have just set up a club here in Oklahoma and we have a question about one
>of the rules. Several of the people who have come out to play, that have also
>played at other locations inform us that you must plant a pivot foot before 
>throwing. This would seem to eliminate the ability to throw while on the run (
>within 3 steps of course...) because it would seem that you would have to stop
>running to plant your foot?  Can anyone clairify this?

The rules allow you to throw "on the run" after making a catch so long
as it's before your third ground contact (note that that means *two*
steps, not the three that people typically cite). Otherwise you have
to set a pivot foot.

People typically play that in the case where the catcher's momentum
carries him/her past the third ground contact, they reset back where
that contact occurred. I don't believe the rules actually say that
this is required. One might call a travel if the person didn't go
back, but they might argue that they set a pivot foot, albeit beyond
the point of third ground contact. I don't have my rules with me
(gasp!) to look at for this case.

George
-- 
George Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu
Dept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson
University of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527
Rochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Subject: Re: Disc in 0g: the story
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:57:39 GMT

Rosse_Lapper@mindlink.bc.ca (Rosse Lapper) writes:

>Hi. I believe there is a "FRISBEE" tm on the moon along with two golf balls.
>I,m presently waiting word fromthe Smitsonian or NASA for confirmation. Does
>anybody know any details especially what type and colour. This a very need to
>know thing as some heavy bar bets are resting on this. Anybody on this net
>have connectios at NASA that could confirm.
>--
>frisbie@mindlink.bc.ca
>(604)222-4180
>wiser thru hyzer

Yow!  Please post a summary of answers, so we can make bar bets, too!!
:):)

Troy
troy@u.wasington.edu
From: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: ULTIMATE IN SWEDEN
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:13:00 GMT
Distribution: netcomsv
Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344
Reply-To: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 


 > JL>I am the secretary for WFDF (World Flying Disc Federation) and has a
 > bbs JL>with lots of flying disc stuff. I also try to keep a list of
 > ultimate clubs
 >
 > Johan (or any techno-wizard who may be reading this)!
 >
 > Is there any way to "connect" your WFDF bbs with rec.disc.sport?  Are
 > there many messages on that board?  Would it be relevant for us?  etc
 > etc etc?

Unless things has changed a lot since I last called Johan's board, there
are probably not enough Ultimate callers to make it worth his while.  He
runs Wildcat!, and I think that there is a UUCP<->Wildcat! message base
utility, or at least a kludge, but the cost of finding a dialup would
probably be prohibitive.

-tt
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From: mpg@doe.carleton.ca (Mike Gagnon)
Subject: Re: Paying the price for getting horizontal!
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:27:58 GMT

The easiest way to avoid scraping knees and elbows is to
land on your stomach instead of your elbows and knees. :)

Next chance you get to watch competitive play watch how the
best layouts are done. Most of the really amazing guys, 
like Lenny (With the horns) from Big Brother (or is it 
First Time Gary, what are they called this year?), usually
land on their stomach. Of course this implies you need an iron
plate where most people have stomach mussels, but I've never seen
an Ultimate player with a scab on his belly! :)
I used to play alot of vollyball also, and the tendency to land
with your wrists to absorb the dive is second nature. But with a 
disc in your hand it really hurts.

One word of caution, if you are going to switch to taking the 
impact with your stomach, make sure you do just that. Coming
down on your ribs from two feet up is sure to bruse them, if
not worse. I played most of this season with sore ribs , due 
to some difficulties with my style. :( 

Good Luck! :)
--
  |   Mike Gagnon.                       Ottawa Ultimate.  |
-(+)-      Once in a while you get shown the light,      -(+)-
  |  in the strangest of places if you look at it right.   |

From: svanvaer@ulb.ac.be (JC DUPIN)
Approved: news@is.morgan.com
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 19:53:09 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Distribution: world
Subject: Disc in 0g: the story

 all

 Here is the story of the first disc (thrower) in weightlessness.

 I'm working in Microgravity Research Centre as chemist technician at
Universite Libre de Bruxelles in Belgium that studies fluid convection
in no gravity conditions (weightlessness). In order to prepare our
space-manned experiences, we are using CNES/ESA (European Space
Agency) airplane (1) during parabolic flights.
 A flight is a succession, generally 10 * 3, of parabolae (flight path
of the plane) during wich contents of the airplane is in reduced
gravity (10 e-2 to 10 e-3 g) during 20 to 25 seconds. I recived autho-
rization to take away my disc (2) before to board in (pilots are euro-
pean who are training to take control during weightlessness).
 Generally, when the flight ends, all experiments are done, it rests
some parabolae for fun (don't repeat that)...
 One of the best instant in my life, really (I will be father for the
first time within 3 months): a disc and I in weightlessness.

 Difficulty in these flights are pull-up and pull-down (before and after
the parabola itself); you have to undergo 2 to 2.5 g during app. 5 sec.
It is supportable but totally ineffective to do anything with a disc.
More, during 0g period, it is uneasy to give spin to disc, to release
it, to know where you are, in short, to coordinate all in thesame time
without training. But after all, it is not very important.

 When you give spin to disc (anti- or clockwise) during 0g it goes up
itself spinning, in accordance with the theory (lift effect) and next
rests to ceiling (It can't go upper). If the disc is thrown (with few
-or without- spin) it behaves like any old thing and free-floats in the
way you have given. Finally, it is difficult to throw the disc quite
in this environment because there are people (15 experimenters and app.
4 crew members), there are scientific payloads and devices and there is
few place. Perhaps one day, when I am alone to fly (be sure I will not,
I will carry my girlfriend with me for other experience!)
 My best memories are feeling made (foetal reminiscence?) but I have
also pictures and parts of video tape (PAL standard)

 If you have any inventive idea concerning disc and 0g, don't hesitate
to email, fax or write to me; perhaps I will be able to realize it (I
was in physical levitation during (very soon) 200 parabolae)

 See you in a zone (on Earth)
 J-FUNK-C

(1) cabin looks like an upholstered pipe ( 2.5 * 15 m.)
(2) first time disc was the WUG88 canadian disc, 82E mold. Next time
    (soon I hope) I would like to bring golf disc, but it seem too bar-
    barian for a novice...

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: Rosse_Lapper@mindlink.bc.ca (Rosse Lapper)
Subject: Re: Readership numbers
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:06:49 GMT

Hi
--
frisbie@mindlink.bc.ca
(604)222-4180
wiser thru hyzer
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: colin@agincourt.bsd.uchicago.edu (& Garrett)
Subject: Re: DRAFT 10th Edition definitions
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:48:37 GMT

In article <daemon.92Nov10050744@is.morgan.com> Frank Revi  
<71551.2461@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>here for your review and comment.  PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS WORK IN 
>PROGRESS.  THESE DEFINITIONS ARE NOT IN EFFECT AND ARE FOR COMMENT ONLY.  
> 
>            h.   Out-of-bounds:  Anything not part of the offensive  
players, playing field
>                 proper, or end zones; contact with this area

Why is "offensive players" included here?  It makes 2.4a below  
problematic, because that now indicates that if a pass is even touched by  
an offensive player (a marker who gets a piece of the disc or another  
defensive player who macs it) the pass is 'out of bounds' and therefore  
not eligible to be completed.  This isn't what you want.

>      2.4   Complete pass:  Two conditions are required for a complete  
pass:
>            a.   A receiver must gain possession of a throw which has not
>                 contacted any part of the playing field or  
out-of-bounds, and
>                 retain possession until ground contact is established.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: cmparris@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish)
Subject: Another question....
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:37:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA



 Well, I have anther question already.... If a thrower makes a toss that results
in his hand or arm contacting the stationary limb or body of a marker is it a 
foul? Also to carry it one step further, what if the thrower attempts to reach 
around the marker(who is not moving his blocking arm towards the thrower, but   
instead downward) and the marker hits the hand/arm of the thrower? Is it still
a foul even though the thrower moved into the marker "space"?
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Chris Parrish                        |   
University of Oklahoma               |    "To share is to split..."   
cmparris@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu        |        - KMFDM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:23:06 -0500 
From: Andrew M Whittam <aw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: US Aussie Rules results

Australian MBA students (and assorted ring-ins, such as myself) from
various universities gathered in Philadelphia last weekend for an Aussie
Rules carnival.  Hosts Wharton played off against Kellogg/Chicago in the
final which ended in a tie.  The results of all matches played were:

            Wharton d Harvard

            Kellogg/Chicago d Columbia/NYU

            Wharton tied with Kellogg/Chicago   (final)

            Harvard d Columbia/NYU
              (because Harvard did not want to go home without winning a match)

Of course it must be said, Football was the winner on the day.

Plenty of beer was flowing and a great weekend was had by all.

Andrew Whittam
Mechanical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh
From: jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: Info on SFL
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:42:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc902.jbeverly-111192214025
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.misc
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1ds6blINNhi7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, am112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Lee Stonum) wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have the adress of the guy that runs the SFL. Was that the
> only time he posted results here or is that regular for him?
> Thanx in advance!
> 
> Lee Stonum


That would be Jim Gould. His address is jgould@adobe.com. He has been very
busy with an upcoming product announcement at Comdex. I have thought about
posting for him, and will do so after this week's games. Being the owner of
the only undefeated team in the SFL, and defending champion, I want to make
sure that information gets out!
  Jim would normally post weekly, if this job stuff wouldn't keep
interfering....

Jamie D. Beverly
Adobe Hounds of Rebound 
All-Time Leading Scorer
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: mulcihy@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (David Mulcihy [483-1884 coopes])
Subject: All Americans
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:46:20 GMT

Where can I find a list of the collegiate All Americans?
Thanks. David Mulcihy
mulcihy@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: slqtr@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Texas HiSchool Football
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:10:13 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I need to know the current standings in the Texas High School Football in
4A and 5A.  I think the playoffs have started by now.



-- 
Brad James / Xenocrates | slqtr@cc.usu.edu |
         ___    ___   _____  _____   ____  | Imagine you've got this large
  /\    /      /        |    |      /      | round bath made of Ebony...
 /--\  |    -  |   -    |    |---   \___   |
/|UU|\  \___|  \___|  __|__  |____      \  | Where From? Harrod's was Destroyed
_|][|___________________________________/  | by the Vogons....
From: chin836@skdad.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: CFL expansion
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:50:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

CFL Commissioner Larry Smith announced tentative plans to expand the league to
include franchises in Montreal, Portland, Sacramento, and San Antonio for the
1993 season.  The league would be divided into three divisions:

	British Columbia, Calgary, Portland, Sacramento
	Edmonton, San Antonio, Saskatchewan, Winnipeg
	Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto.

The quota on American players cannot be imposed on teams based in
the US to satisfy US immigration laws.  I don't see how the league can still
call itself "Canadian".  More appropriate names are Can-Am Football League,
North American Football League, and Continental Football League.

I want to see the CFL prosper, but not at the expense of removing Canadian
players from the league.  We'll wait and see how the plans and rules evolve.

Glenn
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: British 'College' Football
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:35:12 GMT


  Hi, 

   The league is currently called the 'British Student American
Football League', I put up a similar posting on
rec.sport.football.college only a few days ago, my previous posts got
large amounts of replies, this one didn't get any. 

   I've seen several scores in First Down, here is what I can remember

   Birmingham  bt  Bristol
   Southampton bt  Cardiff
   someone     bt  Reading
           
   I know that several games in the league were forfeitted,(sp?), but
can't remember exact scores, when I find 'em I'll post them. But one
score I do know for a fact ( I was there ) is 

   Southampton Stags   56
   Cardiff Cobras       0 

      and next week we take on the Bristol Bullets !!!! 

       jon 
         D-T, Soton Stags 

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From: Butthead Magoo <magoo_b*Corp_C@msm.cdx.mpt.com>
Subject: Re: Texas HiSchool Football
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:03:26 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Q:   How many Aggies does it take to eat an armadillo?

A:   Two.

        One to direct traffic.
From: am112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lee Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Info on SFL
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:52:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lee Stonum)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have the adress of the guy that runs the SFL. Was that the
only time he posted results here or is that regular for him?
Thanx in advance!

Lee Stonum
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm)
Subject: CFL Final Standings
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:03:59 GMT

West
----

Calgary		13	5	0	26
Edmonton	10	8	0	20
Saskatchewan	 9	9	0	18
British Columbia 3	15	0	 6


East
----

Winnipeg	11	7	0	22
Hamilton	11	7	0	22
Ottawa		 9	9	0	18
Toronto		 6	12	0	12

Winnipeg finishes ahead of Hamilton, since although they split their
season series, the Blue Bombers outscored the Ti-Cats.

Psychic predictions for the playoffs:

Ottawa 27 Hamilton 17
Saskatchewan 46 Edmonton 43

Winnipeg 24 Ottawa 20 
Calgary 38 Edmonton 34

Calgary 31 Winnipeg 25

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Boston College
Organization: Motorola
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:56:32 CST

How about them eagles.  They are now undefeated and have more wins then
they had in the entire four years i attended the school.  It is great to
see them doing so well and i honestly believe that they can beat a highl
overrated Notre Dame team this weekend.  I am still in shock that we are
nine point underdogs in the game not to mention that we are ranked behin
them.  But then again they are Notre Dame and we are not!!!  Either way
I am proud of what new coach Tom Coughlin has accomplished in just two
years with the Eagle team.  A team not made up of the best athletes in
the country like say a miami or a notre dame.  They have a lot of heart
determination and good coaching.  Not to mention brains.  Boston College
football team did finish number one in the country for graduation rates
last year with 100% graduation rate.  In fact most of them finish in
in four years and spend their last year of eligibility working on anothe
major or a masters.  Let's hear it for the Eagles and lets put an end
to the reign of Notre Dame!!!  Am i the only one that is tired of having
my entire saturday dedicated to a notre dame.  It is time for some fresh
blood and my choice is Boston College.  GO EAGLES!  D.Sullivan '92
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college