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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:29:46 GMT

In article <105906@netnews.upenn.edu> tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joe Tsai) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.014512.12013@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>>
>>I don't think you understand the full extent of Gore's eco-freakishness...
>>He wants to ban/get rid of all internal combustion engines... i.e. no more 
>>cars...  He thinks they cause too much pollution when in fact they cause
>>merely a small fraction... He is the ultimate Chicken Little...  (Read his
>>book)  Of course, since FoMoCo is providing the money to my parents so they
>>can send me here, which might give me a _small_ bias... =)
>>
>
>I agree completely with Gore.  It is indeed true that internal combustion 
>engines contribute an extremely significant portion of pollution in the world,
>not to mention deplete unrenewable fossil fuels.  And no internal combustion
>engines does NOT mean no more cars.  Cars can run just fine on electricity, and
>in fact do so much more efficiently than gasoline cars.  As a matter of fact,

One question, where does all that wonderful electricity come from :)  %16
Nuclear (ick) %7 hydroelectric (Yea!) And the rest?  You guessed it kids

FOSSIL FUELS (I.E. Coal, Oil)

Gas and Solar also contribute a teeny tiny amount :)

So "electric cars" aren't the answer, Yet!  There are also problems with
hydrogen based energy (water vapor itself is a bad thing!)

[deleted info about oil companies]

>
>But I digress, as this has nothing at all to do with Amigas (except, perhaps,
>that Amigas are not internal combustion devices).  :)
>

True, but advocacy has a long history of support for political and non amiga
related ramblings :)

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:05:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>Of course, you know the real reason that Commodore has not released these
'>machines yet, don't you?  It's because they know how much you want one and
'>they're hoping that you'll give up, get something else, and go away...  :-)

	No, that was CBM's reason last time I wanted to upgrade 2 years
   ago, when I bought my 486.  I wonder what their reason is this time? :)

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
'>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:38:25 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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In article <1993Jan22.004431.1490@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>It could not be that Amiga users cannot afford to _not_ be familiar with PCs?

Triple negative?!  The answer to your question is -yes-.  You may now sit
down and figure out what you asked.  :)

[Possible alternatives:
	It could not be that Amiga users can afford to be familiar with PCs
	It could be that Amiga users can afford to _not_ be familiar with....
	It could be that Amiga users cannot afford to be familiar....
]

And for all you grammatically correct people out there -- THIS IS A JOKE!  :)

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
From: gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
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Date: 27 Jan 93 23:56:02 MET
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In article <1993Jan26.153419.23402@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
> :
[..]
> : The naive Amiga already has the tools to make effective use of
> : his computer, without resorting to third parties.  While, the more advanced
> : Amiga users can make use of third party products to further improve what is
> : already a quality environment.
> :
>
> Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
> All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
> days).
This stuff is nothing MS can be proud of. 'Write' is a miserable excuse of a
word processor, so better leave it on its own and get a better one.
Terminal and Card file aren't much better.

> :
> : David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
> :
> --
> +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
[..]

Regards,
	Michael

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From: tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joe Tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:20:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan21.014512.12013@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>
>I don't think you understand the full extent of Gore's eco-freakishness...
>He wants to ban/get rid of all internal combustion engines... i.e. no more 
>cars...  He thinks they cause too much pollution when in fact they cause
>merely a small fraction... He is the ultimate Chicken Little...  (Read his
>book)  Of course, since FoMoCo is providing the money to my parents so they
>can send me here, which might give me a _small_ bias... =)
>
--------------------

I agree completely with Gore.  It is indeed true that internal combustion 
engines contribute an extremely significant portion of pollution in the world,
not to mention deplete unrenewable fossil fuels.  And no internal combustion
engines does NOT mean no more cars.  Cars can run just fine on electricity, and
in fact do so much more efficiently than gasoline cars.  As a matter of fact,
electric cars SHOULD be available for the average Joe RIGHT NOW, if it weren't
for the fact that the petroleum companies pump countless hundreds of millions
of dollars to make sure that the R&D and production of electric cars gets
pushed as far into the future as possible.  They have enormous stakes in this,
and they don't mind at all making obviously environmentally damaging decisions
to forstall the inevitable advent of electric cars.  Another point of fact is 
that electric cars have been available in post-prototype models since the 70's;
they just never made it to market.  Why?  The car companies that developed them
were bought off by the petroleum companies.  The US government is requiring
that 10% (I think -- it might be higher) of cars on the road by 1997 be 
electric cars.  These statements, by the way, are not opinions.  They are all
FACTS.  To ignore them and the consequences of them, and to simply dismiss
what Gore and other well-meaning (if otherwise idealistic) environmentalists 
are saying is pure folly.

But I digress, as this has nothing at all to do with Amigas (except, perhaps,
that Amigas are not internal combustion devices).  :)

Joe	tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: aga upgrade board????
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:19:39 GMT
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robert buonincontro (robert.buonincontro@canrem.com) wrote:

: JR>Sorry if this is a FAQ, but is Commodore offering an AGA upgrade board
: JR>for the older chipset systems? If so, please point me to the details as
: JR>would prefer to upgrade rather than buy a whole new system.

:  Commodore has not verified or denied if an AGA upgrade card/motherboard 
: whatever will be available for existing machines. Many of the Commodore 
: developers have indicated that it would be difficult to do, but it was 
: possible but not pratical. Of course these developers don't really have 
: a say as to what will or won't be released.
:  
:  There have been several rumours that a number of 3rd party companies are
: working on AGA compatible graphics cards for the older ECS Amigas. Hopefully
: someone will mention something soon. If you own an Amiga 500 with 1 Meg floppy 
: it's more practicle to purchase an Amiga 1200. But if you own an Amiga 500 with 
: an 030 Accelerator 8 megs of 32 bit ram and a 200 meg harddrive. It's more
: praticle to invest another $500 for an AGA upgrade.

For christ's sake, just buy the 1200, and use it with ParNet or something like
that as a framebuffer...   
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From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Organization: Griffith University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:47:21 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.194306@informatik.uni-kl.de> c_feck@informatik.uni-kl.de
>(Christop Feck) writes:

>>Yes it rang! I've heard, that C= will also release a DSP chip, along with
>>OS support starting with 3.1. True? I've also heard, that this is probably
>>an AT&T's DSP 3210. True? Coming with speech synthesis (sp?), picture
>>compression, and other useful features. True?

>CBM has indicated that it will be offering a DSP module (supported under
>OS 3.1) by late spring. From all indications, the 3210 is indeed the DSP
>of choice, although items such as speech synthesis, compression etc.
>will likely come in the form of 'personality boards' which would be
>added to the basic system. 

Unfortunately it appears that commodore's DSP support is going to be quite
lame. That is, the software (thier libraries) will only work with the CBM
dsp board so third parties are out of the picture.

Personally, this doesn't bother that much, but I would like someone how
knows about these personality boards to tell me if you're limited to
one at a time or not - AND if CBM's bringing out a DSP board
for the 1200 (VERY important in light of the falcon)

>>BTW, C= has announced something like "...the upgrades to the OS are done
>>within a year." Since 4.0 with display p*stscript is FAR FAR away, I could
>>imagine, that we will see the DSP in about 3 months! Sounds great.

>3.1 will be available within the short term, but 4.0 seems to be anybody's
>guess at the moment. Support for Display Postscript would be a dubious
>bet, but RTG is a sure thing.

Afordable graphics boards (of a reasonable speed) shouldn't be too far behind
that either.


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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:27:33 GMT

>eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>
>>It allows *any* characters EXCEPT the slash (obviously) and the double-quote. 
>>CAN use question marks or hash signs (despite the fact that these are wildcard
>>specifiers), and you can ALSO use spaces (although you need to put quotes arou
>>the filenames for that).  I disapprove stongly of using spaces in filenames 

Well, I certainly think spaces in filenames certainly has it uses.  Like, with
an editor I use in OS/2, some of my name would be god-awful to type in
a CLI, but *easy* to select with a requester window to 'open' the file for
editing.  That way, it is great for have really nice looking names for files.
It makes me think of the filename as the document itself, as opposed to
something hacked togather with a lot.of.period.places.
-- 
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From: mike@struad.cts.com (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:19:59 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <1993Jan22.154939.2006@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>: >
>: >OK, lets.  What is your definition of a real time operating system,
>: >and how does OS/2 either meet or not meet criteria ?
>:
>: Yes. Please, for the *first* time, present us some hard, correct things
>: called "facts"!
>:
>
>Why should I?  You disregard the facts every time I post them, so what's the
>point?  No matter what I post, you and the rest of the Amigoids call me names.
>

  No we don't you twerp.
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:27:20 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.024440.12355@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: And of course, the great majority of society knows the whole truth, both 
: sides, i.e. they're not spoonfed the left side of the issue by the "dominant
: media culture"?

My point was NOT to pull out your half-assed opinion of the media, but to
simply say that the great majority of society knows _SOMETHING_ about
global warming, they know of the existence of the theory.  Get it?  You
had said that only the leftists have any opinions on it whatsoever, and
you were flat fucking WRONG.  I don't _CARE_ to argue global warming or
democratic media bullshit with you, I'm simply saying that people KNOW
THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK GLOBAL WARMING IS HAPPENING.

Get the damn point yet?  You've got a thicker head than Marc Barrett and
I enjoy your posts about as much as my pointless arguments with Jerry.

: Sure, have the nat'l gov't create legislation banning anything that might
: even slightly be bad....  You really don't believe in freedoms, do you?

Yes, I do.  And I hope that someday those I love will be able to live
with the freedom of knowing that companies aren't infringing upon your
right to live, without fear of corporations poisoning ground water or
pumping toxic gases into the atmosphere.

The US has some of the WEAKEST ecological standards in the world.  So
much for being a world leader, eh?

: I'm not saying its not possible... i'm just saying that Global Warming Is 
: A Huge Problem Looming Over Us And We Should Throw Large Amounts Of Money
: At Eco-Groups So They Can Make It Go Away For Us.

I believe that Global Warming _IS_ a huge problem, and we should throw
large amounts of money into ANY legitimate research effort, ESPECIALLY
when these research efforts have such a far-reaching impact.

: If somebody says something that strikes me as being a crock, and they don't
: present clear evidence, then _I'm_ supposed to bear the burden of proving/
: disproving their theories for them?

No, as Descartes said, you withhold judgement.  I don't mean to get
metaphysical on you, but it's sound advice.  Pass no judgement.  Don't
say it's wrong unless you KNOW.  Those saying it's absolute scientific
truth should also be the same way.

Greg

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:03:03 GMT
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Marc Wandschneider (storm@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.095707.561@ulrik.uio.no> jawil@hpx14.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
: >Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
: >testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something?
: 	Well, maybe Commodore isn't posting 5$ billion in losses and isn't 
: desperate for new users for their products.
: 	There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off
: products one develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips
: who wouldn't pay for software if it came out of the monitor and blew them.

That is one of the funniest things I've hard here in... in about 2 days, but
that's not the point...  I promise my sig won't get longer, but I couldn't
bear to part with any of the current ones to replace with Marc's....

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:21:35 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Anyone got the address/phone # for Earth First?
>
>Greg

No, but you might try San Quentin, or other prisons on the west coast.
Hey, remember a few years ago when those two earth first guys were on
their way to blow up some logging equipment, and their car blew up??
har har har! That was almost as good as the French sinking the
Greenpeace ship! 

Dave [burning tires in my backyard]

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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:53:38 PST

In article <1993Jan26.181043.27311@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>performance than the 040, yes.  But I never said anything about any CPU
>being superior to another.  Along comes Peter and accuses me of saying that
>the 486 is FAR superior to the 040.  Is that fair?  It's a lie, plain and
>simple, and his Amiga user status does not justify it.
>

I have done a LOT of programming lately on 040 and 486 systems,
at work.  I find that at the same clock rate, and given equivalent
wait states and memory architectures, the 040 is far faster
in floating point, and somewhat faster at integer performance.
Problem is 040 systems cost a lot more, and many systems have
non-optimal memory architectures, whereas even cheap 486 systems
have good memory architectures.  So $ for $, 486 systems
offer better integer performance, but if you compare a 33 Mhz
040 board, with an excellent memory subsystem, will far outperform
a 486 system with an excellent memory subsystem, in integer and
fp operations. NeXT, Amiga 4000, and Max Quadras all have inferior
memory architectures.  I own an Amiga 4000, and I love it, but
it does not do the 040 justice in its memory subsystem.
The pp&s Mercury board, and the GVP 040 board for the A3000 (with 4M
or more of RAM onboard) have excellent memory subsystems.

I am confident that the 040 provides significatly better integer
performance than a 486 when coupled with a decent memory subsystem,
but for all practical purposes, most 040 systems offer somewhat
less integer performance than most 486 systems.

-Roger
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  RISC Amiga?
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:29:51 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <10513@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <1993Jan17.161942.27696@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> >
> >I wonder what all this talk of Amigas running Windows NT means...
> >
> >Do people really want to see that happen?  
>
>Can you say "marketing argument"?  :-)

Except there is no proof at the moment that NT will do anything to improve
sales of any computer.  If I was a large corporate buyer, I would go for
OS/2, as it has the solutions now.

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