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From: ubabu@uncc.edu (U Babu)
Subject: Who is a Brahmin ?
Reply-To: ubabu@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:40:56 GMT


Keywords: 



During the days when vedas were written, people were divided into groups 
based their occupation, like Kings (shaktriar), Brahmins (priests) who pray 
for the welfare of the society,  traders etc.,.  These changed over a period 
of time when people began to fight among themselves as who is the superior.
Ofcourse the divison of people in the ancient times was not meant to 
distinguish people as superior or inferior but to divide them into occupational groups.
Now the perspective of caste system which was earlier based on their occupation 
has completely changed, and there is no hard and fast rule that one  should
do the job governed by their caste.  Simillarly the brahmin's who are supposed to work for
the welfare of others can no longer do so because he is also addicted to the 
worldly pleasures.  But we cannot come to a conclusion that there is no 
real brahmin based on a definition given at an ancient period of time.  But I
strongly feel that 

1. a brahmin is one who does no harm to others either mentally
or phisically, without expecting others to reciprocate in the same way.

2. a brahmin is one who understands the morals and principles behind the
rituals and trying to change them to suit the current state of the world.
(as all rituals are done basically to help the poor in the the society 
in some way.)

more to follow based on the response.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:41:53 GMT
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.060851.28671@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>It is my belief that reservation system is one of the main reasons
>>for our poor work ethics.
>>
>>- Arun.
>
>
>
>Mr. Arun,
>
>What is the basis for this statement.  I totally condemn this attitude either 
>as ignorance or arrogance.  It is like questioning the ethics of the lower 
>castes.
>
>Please, enlighten me about the ethics prevailing in the so-called meritorious 
>institutes like IIT.  I spent 6 years in IITM and I know what is the value for 
>ethics and merit.  Except very few professors (you can count), most of them 
>waste the time and money of this nation.  They do not spend enough time 
>with their researchand they are after earning money by sebbatical leave. They 
>have no ethics about the authership in papers, torturing research students, 
>sexual harassment.  Sme of them dont  even spend the required amount of time in
>the dept.  Some of them eat the project money.  This is the common practice 
>with all the governement jobs india.  The upper classes are not different as 
>you propose.
>
>Next, merit - rarely merit is a creterion  in the appoinments for the faculty
>positions, leave alone lower jobs.  Most of the faculty members appointed in 
>the last 10-15 years are fit for nothing.  Thier only qualification is being a 
>Brahmin.  I wish they look for some meritorious brahmins ateast.  Simlarly the 
>other non-Brahmin forward communities in the university departments.

Wait a minute! How does this info serve your argument that reservation does
not hurt work ethics. So IIT is not a meritorious institute and no wonder it
has no morality when it comes to sincerity. So, you do agree that job
reservation is harmful to work ethics.

Where did I say Forward Community people have better ethics? Please don't
imagine things. Reservation is going to hurt morality whether it is for Upper
Class or Lower Class. I am not for or against any group just against the 
reaservation system and it is immoral if it is for Upper Class or Lower
class. Merit and qualification should be the only criterion and for people
who are less lucky the government should help them attain those and not give
away jobs like free lunch. 

- Arun.

>
>S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:56:42 GMT

In article <Yf1ojg_00WBN06ZlQl@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>My dear dear friend, for the above crimes listed, many of your of
>so-called stinking leaders from New Delhi deserve to meet the same fate
>as Rajiv Gandhi.                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Can you digest what I just wrote? I don't give a damn if you don't. Nuts
>like you don't even know what Mahathma Gandhi fought for. Whether you
>like it or not, the truth is that the values that were dear to Gandhi
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and Neru are dead and buried somewhere deep in Ayodya and in Swiss back
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>acounts. 

Hmm.... I wonder by whom?

- Arun.

>If you find all this harsh, then go wrap the Indian flag around
>you. Then, that would be another crime.
>
>-Thambi
>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:38:30 -0500 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
	<1992Nov15.200837.90597@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>

>I also have an ambition of
>visiting places, the forests and viharams in which VanthiyaththEvan and
>aruLmozhivarman wandered in SL without any problems what so ever. I hope that
>day will come within my life span, though, as of today, the chances are slim.

Don't worry. That day will come. 

-thambi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: "Minnal varigaL - 12"
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:07:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46015
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"KaigaL idai thanil neLigayil, idaiveLi kuraigaiyil,
	 eriyum viLakku siriththu kangaL moodum !! "

	 From "Pani vizhum malar vanam...."

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
From: kanth@ogicse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Rescript the Tamil script?!
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:58:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45953
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov16.000413.12009@bmw.mayo.edu> raja@mayo.edu writes:
>In article 62047@mimsy.umd.edu, jayb@umiacs.umd.edu (Jay Bala) writes:
	.... stuff deleted....
>	...Mella Thamizh ini sagum.. andha
>	     Melaik kalaigal puvi thanil Ongum..
	Can't bear Bharathi getting misquoted.. so sorry if I am
	nitpicking; but the second line should be,

		MeRkku mozhigaL puvimisai Ongum.

Srikanth.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,purdue.forsale
From: ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ashwath Ram)
Subject: Apartment for Sublease Spring and Summer 93.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:42:28 GMT

Hi netters, I am graduating in Dec. and the lease for my apartment
runs till Aug. 93. The apartment is a nice new two bed room with 
independent kitchen, batroom and hall. It is furnished with
Microwave, Ref., Oven, Gas, Dining table, chairs, two easy lounge
chairs etc. and is also completely carpeted with heat and other
standard options.
My room mate Krishnan Ramaswamy is doing his masters in Pharmacy and
will be around for a couple of years as he plans on doing his Phd.
He would like a vegetarian, non-smoker preferably Indian as a 
roommate. He has his own 20" TV, stereo, cooking vessels etc.
He is a nice guy and would make an excellent roomate. Anyone 
coming to Purdue for the Spring semester who is interested please
call me up anytime at 317-743-6233, if I am not a home leave a 
message and I will get back to you.
You can also contact me by e-mail and I can arrange a visit so you
can come by and look up the place.

Thanks,
Ashwath Ram
ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <2B094BD5.12027@news.service.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>
>>	Sorry, for my sarcastic tone, but it is not fun to repeat the 
>>	same thing over and over again.
>>
>
>	You have right of free speech and so also sarcasm. You don't have to
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	feel sorry.

        Thanks for remembering that. I thought you were going to ask me to 
	keep quiet again. 

	- Arun.

>
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 
>
>P.S. This is my last response in this thread.

Why, somebody from Eelam asked you to keep quiet?
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: CASTE ! CASTE ! CASTE !
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:54:05 GMT
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov18.060753.18339@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:

>Merit is again subjective.
>IIT Entrance exam score alone is not merit.  What the state govt or central
>board mark grad shows is not alone.  It is very difficult to decide in a 
>society like India.

Okay, you tell me an accurate method to determine one's potential. 
Is anybody's resume shows his true potential? Scientists say even
IQ test isn't accurate. You cannot prove anything solid with a lie 
detector test in court because it isn't always accurate.

So, what should we take into consideration for admission?
Graphologhy, palmology, or astrology? 

This is one of the lamest excuse and this has already been
pulled in the net.


>"what we want what we get".

I hope McDonald's people won't see this.  :-)


>S. Sankarapandi
>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohios-ate.edu

- Arun.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: hazel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (sriram)
Subject: Storm lashes coastal areas of TN and kerala
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:58:47 GMT


Read the following news on clarinet.

sriram

	MADRAS, India (UPI) -- Military planes dropped food packages to tens
of thousands of marooned residents in the southernmost part of India
Sunday as the death toll mounted to 186 in storm-triggered flash floods,
landslides and house collapses, authorities said.
	In nearby Sri Lanka, officials reported at least 13 deaths in areas
lashed by the tropical storm.
	Indian military personnel were searching for nearly 600 residents
reported missing in the flood-swept areas of Tamil Nadu and Kerala
states.
	Officials said nearly 200,000 residents were stranded by floodwaters
in the two Indian states.
	More than 23,000 residents left homeless were reported to have taken
shelter in makeshift refugee camps.
	The tropical storm, with winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour,
unleashed massive tidal waves, torrential rains and flash floods
beginning late Friday after it moved from the Indian Ocean into the
narrow Gulf of Mannar, separating southern India from Sri Lanka.
	The storm left a vast trail of death and destruction in Tamil Nadu
and Kerala before crossing over to the Arabian Sea on Saturday.
	Torrential rains, however, continued to batter Kerala and the state
to its north, Karnataka, on Sunday because of a low depression created
by the storm. The storm's center was 125 miles off the southwestern
Indian coast Sunday, the Madras Meteorological Office said.
	Several rain-swollen dams were overflowing in south India, and
authorities pressed Army and Navy troops to evacuate thousands of
residents living downstream.
	The Tamil Nadu government said 37 bodies had been recovered from a
coastal hamlet washed away by flash floods. The hamlet,
Vikramasingapuram, is 340 miles southwest of Madras, the state capital
and the country's fourth largest city.
	``The devastation was such that not a single house was left standing
in Vikramasingapuram,'' a state government spokesman said.
	Indian federal authorities employed military personnel to airdrop
food packages in the flood-swept areas and search for scores of missing
residents.
	The storm triggered house collapses and earthslides in which scores
of people died in Tamil Nadu and Kerala.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:58:33 GMT

In article <82xJ024j2bhW01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> fca00@chennai.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran) writes:
>In article <BxvEAt.CD9@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan) writes:
>>
>>Could you name some educational institutions in India
>>where one could get a job by virtue of being a Brahmin ?
>
>
>  Vivekananda College, Madras ??????????????
>
>>
>>-- rst

Must have taken a lesson or two from Loyola college, Madras. One of my relativeswas the senior most faculty member in the Math dept when the HOD (Fr.Racine)
died. He was by passed and a Christian professor became the HOD. 

He resigned and interestingly got the HOD job at Mohammaden College, VaaNiyambadi.

If IIT, Vaishnava,  Viveka and other colleges prefer brahmins to more/equally
qualified non-brahmins, it IS SICKENING - as sickening as when Loyola, New College etc. do it.

Mr.Sankarapandi kindly advised me ("Hey, cool down ...") not to identify myself
as a brahmin. 

I generally do not. I wear no pooNal, eat non-veg occasionally, have zero
Sanskrit knowledge, have annoyed many of my relatives/friends by criticizing
brahmins, am equally comfortable with "veettukku vaanga" as with "aathukku
vaango"...

THE ONLY TIME I FEEL LIKE A BRAHMIN is when I read steady flow of anti-brahminicdrivel on SCT.

Pardon my language but we brahmins being only about 5% of Tamilnaadu population,
why the FUCK can't the other 95% make it a better place ?

Jagadisan Shivakumar Iyer
 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigaL - 10
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:33:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45938
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"Avan vizhi asainthathil, avaL manam asainthathO !
	 thaLir karam pidikkaiyil, malar kodi silirthathO ! "

	 From "Vaan mEgam, poopoovai..."

	 Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: Re: It has been fun....
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:00:54 GMT

In article <1eh0lrINN7hn@chnews.intel.com> rkrithiv@pima.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Subject: Re: It has been fun....
>
>> I have two simple questions for you(Mr. Parthasarathy):
>   
>  Hope you would mind if some body else nudges in. 
>
>> In another words, do you really know the roots of the current war 
>> and what built up to it(including Including India's messy input)? Keep 
>> in mind that India's involvement made it worse than what it was. 
>
>  "India" made a  mistake by  involving  too much  in the Sri Lankan
>  problem. 
>
>  But we  had our "masters" above us, the  Russian  bear, which used 
>  us to its advantage in the Super  Power struggle. And it were them
>  who directed much of the  action. We were  as much of tools in the 
>  hands of the bear, as Sri Lankan tamizhs  were to Indian political
>  system.  
>
>  It treated the Sri Lankan issue, like mad dogs and a piece of rag. 
>  Each trying to have a bigger piece of it to its advantage.ADMK/DMK
>  /Cong et al. 
>
>  The people who  really have to be  sympathized are the  Sri Lankan 
>  civilian Tamizhs, and the IPKF, had they met elsewhere  other than 
>  in a battle field. They would have been excellent friends. 
>
>  Moral and  ethical  level in India  have degenerated a lot, mainly
>  due to our political system.Inspite of the quagmire of a political
>  system, and problems, if India  still continues it  is nothing but 
>  a miracle. God's grace  and  the  "thava valimai" of our ancestors 
>  and sages and seers. 
>  [It is true, and it is also true it sounds sentimental. A language
>   of the diplomats does not simply work here. ]
>
>  It is this Bharatham, a punya bhoomi,which silently bears the pain 
>  and all the insults hurled at her.And it is this land which within 
>  four decades since 1947, been raped by our "parties" and "leaders". 
>
>  And it them who SHOULD bear all the bloody blame. And not MY India. 
>  In future please direct your ire and anger at those scoundrels.Not
>  at my motherland. 
>
>Krithi. 

 It is the first time I read an article which is quite reasonable
and vividly described what had happened in Sri-Lanka. Hitherto
I was wondering why India got involved all of a sudden and changed
its position without any reason and rhyme every week. This article made 
everything clear for me. 


India lost more than 2000 young men in this fiasco for nothing.


Raj

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: chinna chinna aasai.....
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:25:01 GMT

thiraippadam : rOjaa

paatalaasiriyar : vairamuththu

isai : raguman


chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai
vennilavu thottu muththamida aasai
ennai indha poomi chutRi vara aasai

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai
vennilavu thottu muththamida aasai
ennai indha poomi chutRi vara aasai

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai

mallikaip poovaai maaRi vida aasai
thenRalai kandu maalaiYida aasai
mEkaNGaLai ellaam thottu vida aasai
sokaNGikaLai ellaam vittu vida aasai
kaarkuzhalil ulakai kattivida aasai

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai
vennilavu thottu muththamida aasai
ennai indha poomi chutRi vara aasai

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai

sEttRu vaYal aadi naatRRu nada aasai
meen pidiththu meeNdum aatRil vida aasai
vaanavillai koNYcham uduththi koLLa aasai
pani thuLikkuL naanum paduththu koLLa aasai
chiththiraththu mElE sElai katta aasai
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(This is right. No doubt about it)

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai
vennilavu thottu muththamida aasai
ennai indha poomi chutRi vara aasai

chinna chinna aasai
siRakatikkum aasai
muththu muthu aasai
mudinthu vaiththa aasai


anpudan,

V R Kumar
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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal vari - 15
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:01:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46182
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"inRu, naaLai enRu naaLai eNNuginREnE ! "

	(note the pun on 'naalai' !)

	From "nee illaatha ulagaththilE ..."

	Contributed by Ramakrishnan Bashyam.

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: An interview with Prabanjan - Part 1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:39:54 GMT

In article <9211160137.AA05095@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us> vaisnavi@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (vaisnavi) writes:
>
> Komal :         T.K.C. still has the same spirit. When  a
>               `SubamangaLaa' issue comes out, a criticism
>               after a first reading and later a criticism
>               after deep reading, thus we get two letters
>               from him every month.
>
> Prabanjan :     Yes. The literary world is debted to him.
>               He has the capacity to see who are going to
>               write for  the  next  twenty  years.  After
>               T.K.C.  left  `thaamarai',  there was a big
>               change in that magazine. When I sent a sto-
>               ry,  some  lines  were deleted and replaced
>               with some other lines. They  felt  that  my
>               lines  did  not  suit the stand took by the
>               party. I stopped writing  there  with  that
>               story.
>
>

	I small explanation here. The initials of Thi. Ka. Sivasankaran
	Thi. Ka. Si. is wrongly put as T.K.C.

	T.K.C. is actually popular as the initials of 
	'Rasigamani' T.K.Chidhambaranatha Mudaliar, who is no more.

	Thi. Ka. Sivasankaran is a writer and was editor of CPI's
	literary magazine 'thaamarai', founded by Jeeva.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: sundaram@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Anita Sundaram)
Subject: New User Reaction to the Discussions on this group
Summary: reaction to discussion on the group
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:01:31 GMT
Keywords: tamil

I stumbled onto this group and thought that it would kind of be interesting
to see what was being discussed.  And I am disappointed, because instead of
identifying issues that the Tamils as a group can relate to, the issues seem
to be very divisive and destructive.  I am a Tamil and I am proud of that - 
and yet I have never thought myself less Indian or wondered whether I was 
more Aryan or Dravidian. Why can't we just analyse Indian history, sociology,
anthropology, linguistics, etc., factually and scientifically, instead of
resorting to interpretations and emotionalism or attempt to promote an 
ideology that is negative and based on a superiority/inferiority structure.
I would be interested in seeing a discussion that is free from the use of 
superlatives and feelings - it is hard enough to get books on Tamil history,
or even ancient Indian history it seems to me, and the net would be such a 
great place for us to find that kind of information.  

I hope that I have not antagonised anybody by stating my opinions, and I am
aware that as a new reader of this group, this dravidian discussion may well
exhaust itself very soon.

As the world grows closer let us not get more "nationalistic" or "ethnic", but
rather think of all humans as equal.  This is an attitude a "culture" even that
needs to be actively cultivated, and discussions that attempt to identify 
our past differences in the way societies evolved will be that much more
better equipped to impart that same message of peace and harmony, if they are
conducted in that manner.

Anita Sundaram, Univeristy of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign