HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: beynonrj@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Dr. R.J. Beynon)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Cooking food alters protein
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:32:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
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>Lot of stuff about denaturing amino acids rather than protein...

As a protein biochemist/enzymologist, can I make the following observations:

The main issues here are twofold - 

a. The word denature is being interpreted vaguely. A protein chemist
   might use it differently to others - it means to destroy a proteins
   folded shape - not to damage the building blocks (amino acids). 

   When we want to break proteins into their amino acids, we have to use
   coditions that prevent damage, particularly oxidation. Amino acids
   such as tryptophan, methionine, threonine, serine, cysteine are
   quite susceptible to irreversible, chemical damage, and it is reasonable
   to accept that this will alter their nutritional value. 

   So, cooking is the big undefined variable here:

	How long, what temperature, what pH, what else is in the pot.

b. What really matters is whether the extent of destruction of the amino 
   acid really makes any difference to total daily intake, averaged over
   days/weeks. For this, accurate data are needed. I would have thought
   that such data was available.


Also, a couple of general remarks. Cooking improves the digestibility of
many foods, destroys some unpleasant components (e.g., in pulses) 
and probably enhances our ability to extract nutrients from them.
Try a meal of uncooked pulses, grains and leaf vagateables. I suspect
that what is gained from the improved (?) amino acid content will
be offset by other consequences. We've been cooking food for a long time,
and without knowing about amino acids. I sort of believe that if cooking
food had been bad for us, we might have given up a long time ago :-)

Also, and this a time to don an asbestos suit:

I like this group, but am amused by the adjacent posts such as:

"I am worried that I am getting 110% of my daily intake of protein"

and

"I hear that taking 2000% of the RDA of niacin is good for me"
(Wrong, by the way :-) )

Rob Beynon, Biochemistry, Liverpool
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: max@rice.edu (Mark Maxham)
Subject: carbo-loading
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:19:37 GMT

I recall hearing about staging carbohydrate intake for maximal effect.
Supposedly, certain carbohydrates take longer to become available and
useful (e.g. pasta would take longer than, say, sugar water.)  So if you
were going to go out and do a lot of aerobic exercise, you'd eat "nine-
hour" food nine hours before the event, "three-hour" food three hours
before, etc.  Thus you would maximize your endurance.

Has anyone heard of such a practice, and, if so, can you direct me to
further sources?

I play sports that involve a lot of running, and I am always looking 
for a way to "cheat."  :-)

thanks
max
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Have you heard of this?????
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:10:31 GMT

In a previous article, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct5.121701.392@lrc.edu> dorham_r@lrc.edu writes:
>>I would like to know if anyone has heard of chelation therapy.  If
>>anyone has, could you tell me something about it?  Thanks!!!!
> 
>Well, there are two kinds of "chelation therapy": are you interested in
>the bozoid one that people push to "treat" heart disease, or the legitimate
>therapy used to remove heavy metals like lead and mercury from the body in
>cases of poisoning?
> 

I have heard that the FDA presently has a study going on to evaluate the claims
that chelation therapy can treat heart disease.  Has anyone else heard this?

Mark
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Information needed on Candida albicans
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:01:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct3.020131.13816
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <andreaf.718068904@bonnie> andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:
>So I guess what I'm trying to say here is that "chronic candidiasis" may
>BE Considered a bogus diagnosis by itself, but when you're dealing with
>an immune system problem like CFIDS, treating the candidiasis is a valid
>treatment approach.  And it seems to me that a positive response to a
>clinical trial of Nystatin and a low-sugar diet is as valid as a blood
>test.

No, it merely means that people feel better after following some sort of
regimen.  The diffuse symptoms sometimes described under the rubric
of "chronic candidiasis" are notoriously hard to ascribe to any external
illness.

We've already talked about how and why eliminating "sugar and fruits"
from your diet doesn't make any sense.  It should also be pointed out
that nystatin is only active as an antifungal in the mouth, throat
esophagus and in the gut.  It has no effect on any candida present
outside the gut.

>My personal "educated guess" (University of Hard Knocks) is that there
>are folks with undiagnosed CFIDS or other immune system problems who
>attribute the CFIDS symptoms to candidiasis, and get well (or at least
>markably better) using Nystatin and a low-sugar diet because it reduces
>the load on their immune system.

No, it means that by doing _something_, they feel better.  The mind
is an amazing organ.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Milk is dangerous?
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Oct2.164613.28450@pixel.kodak.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:13:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164613.28450@pixel.kodak.com> ph@ssd.kodak.com (Pete Hoch 253-1985) writes:

   Here is a partial list.
   ...
   I believe the above list comes from
   portions of the Holy Bible, King James Version.

Don't forget those exciting diet options: locusts, beetles, and
grasshoppers!  Actually, it says you can eat all of the four-legged
locusts, beetles, and grasshoppers, which is a little strange.  I
thought they all had six legs.  Anyway, diet advice is to be found
in Deuteronomy 14 and Leviticus 11, and possibly some other places I
missed; insects are dealt with in Leviticus 11:21.

Hmm, someone was complaining recently about people using 20 year old
references.  I hope this trend toward ancient sources doesn't continue.

Brought to you courtesy of WAIS and the bible server on
cmns-moon.think.com, service 210.

--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper)
Subject: Re: Glycemic Index Book
Followup-To: culpepper@spdc.ti.com
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:04:42 GMT

In article <1asuh0INNi2l@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> cdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu (Charles Dillon) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.010534.25379@spdc.ti.com> culpeppe@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Allen Culpepper) writes:
>>
>>  Can anyone recommend a good book that lists the glycemic indexes of most
>>foods? Anyone? Anyone?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Allen
>
>Do you mean Jenkins' study on how fast the carbohydrates in certian foods 
>hit the blood stream?  This study only covered 60 different foods, and
>is in dispute in some circles.   But I may be wrong. (make that 'frequently')
>
>CD

 I don't know who's study it was but yes, this is what I'm looking for. I
 read an article about it in a bodybuilding magazine once but can't remember
 which one. I wasn't sure if there was a book available. I am going to
 experiment with it and see how it affects my blood sugar since I am a
 diabetic.

 AC
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:52:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct6.235203.26152
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct6.195355.3097@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>Well my best guess is that [homeopathy] works in much the same way that 
>acupuncture works. Energetically, not chemically. But then, I'm
>no physicist.

Snort.  You're too modest.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Have you heard of this?????
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:04:58 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center

A new study has shown that a controversial treatment for heart disease also
helps prevent cancer. Since heart disease and cancer kill so many people, the 
implications are considerable.  

The new study is described in:

"Ninety Percent Reduction in Cancer Mortality After Chelation Therapy With 
EDTA", Walter Blumer, M.D. and Elmer M. Cranton, M.D., Journal of Advancement 
in Medicine, Volume 2, Numbers 1/2, Spring/Summer 1989, p 183.

Here's the article's abstract:

"Mortality from cancer was reduced 90% during an 18-year follow-up of 59 
patients treated with calcium-EDTA. Only one of the 59 treated patients (1.7%)
died of cancer while 30 of 172 nontreated control subjects (17.6%) died of 
cancer (P=0.002). Death from atherosclerosis was also reduced. Treated 
patients had no evidence of cancer at the time of entry into this study. 
Observations relate only to long term prevention of death from malignant 
disease, if chelation therapy is begun before clinical evidence of cancer
occurs. Controls and treated patients lived in the same neighborhood, adjacent
to a heavily traveled highway in a small Swiss city. Both groups were exposed
to the same amount of lead from automobile exhaust, industrial pollution and
other carcinogens. Exposure to carcinogens was no greater for the studied
population than exists in most other metropolitan areas throughout the world. 
Statistical analysis showed EDTA chelation therapy to be the only significant
difference between the controls and treated patients to explain the marked
reduction in cancer mortality."

*Heart disease* has also been treated with EDTA. A pilot double blind study
described in:

A Pilot Double-Blind Study of Sodium-Magnesium EDTA in Peripheral Vascular
Disease, by Efrain Olszewer, MD, Fuad Calil Sabbag, MD, and James P. Carter,
MD, DrPH New Orleans, Louisiana. Journal of the National Medical Association,
1990 Mar, 82(3):173-7.

showed dramatic improvement after EDTA. This study compared how much farther 
patients could walk (and other exercises) after being given EDTA or
a placebo. Those given EDTA could walk a lot farther than those given a 
placebo. Here's a crude chart showing the difference:

     |   P               |                   |                   |
___P_|_P_P_____|_P_______|_________|_________|___E_E___E__E______|_____E___|_\
     0        50        100       150       200       250       300       350/

            Increase in meters that a patient can walk after 10 infusions
                          of a placebo (P) or EDTA (E)


Note how the patients getting EDTA improve much more than the patients
getting placebo. 

The really provocative thing about EDTA is that it has been disparaged by
the American medical establishment for 3 decades. The FDA, AMA and American
Heart Association have all treated it as a hoax, but the above studies show
it to be a very effective treatment for common causes of death; cancer and 
heart disease.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Organization: NDA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:10:29 GMT

Here is a press release from the American Medical Association.
[I don't work for the AMA or belong to it; I just thought that 
people in this newsgroup might want to see the press release.]

 AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
 To: National Desk, Medical Writer
 Contact: Craig May of the American Medical Association, 312-464-5360

   CHICAGO, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following statement is
attributable to M. Roy Schwarz, M.D., senior vice president of
Mdical Education and Science for the American Medical Association:

   The American Medical Association is alarmed by today's allegation
that milk is dangerous and should not be required or recommended in
government guidelines.  There is absolutely no scientific proof to
support such a claim.
   The fact that breast milk is more healthy for infants than cow
milk is well documented.  Responsible research established this fact
years ago.
   For instance, we know that whole milk has the potential for
causing health problems in children up to 12 months and that breast
milk is recommended during that period.  However, whole milk has been
found to be nutritious for children 12 to 24 months and milk products
for children 24 months or older.
   The AMA continues to marvel at how effectively a fringe
organization of questionable repute continues to hoodwink the media
with a series of questionable research that fails to enhance public
health.  Instead, it serves only to advance the agenda of activist
groups interested in perverting medical science.
   The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is an
animal "rights" organization and, despite its title, represents less
than .005 of the total U.S. physician population.  Its founder,
Dr. Neil Barnard, is also the scientific advisor to People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), an organization that supports
and speaks for the terrorist organization known as the Animal
Liberation Front (ALF).
 -30-

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: what foods affect uric acid level? (is my M.D. competent?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:17:57 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <BONNIE.92Sep28125443@aigyptos.nmsu.edu> bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave) writes:
>My family doctor tells me my uric acid level is high (didn't give me
>the exact figure).  This leaves me with some questions which the
>doctor seemed unable to answer.

Ask him/her for the actual measurement.  Mild elevations don't mean
much or mean that you have to do anything at all.  Are you dieting?

>How much is uric acid level affected by what you've eaten _recently_?
>Could a couple cups of coffee on the day before the lab test give this
>result despite a relatively healthy diet overall?  Or is it something
>that builds up over time? 

Caffeine is not metabolized to uric acid, even though it's
related chemically.   I honestly don't know what a blood test
would look like if you pigged out on sardines and sweetbreads,
but in general such a measurement reflects a chronic condition.

>Rhetorical.  Is my doctor competent?  I think I already know the
>answer based, not just on the statement relating to cheese, but also on
>several other comments she made during the followup visit.  But that's
>one for sci.med.

Most cases of elevated uric acid can be traced either to dieting
or to some sort of (probably genetic) problem with either making too
much uric acid or excreting too little.  Food isn't all that important
a component to therapy.  Gout is really pretty rare in women, though
it's not unheard of.  Can't hurt to try another measurement from another
doctor.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: Buzz in your fruit juice
Keywords: alcohol, fruit juice
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:33:54 GMT

> Can any one tell me the amount (% by volume) of alcohol in commercially
> available fruit juices. .. 

Very little.  But, if you add some sugar, yeast and let it stand
for a few days, it will increase significantly  :-)

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:35:10 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep30.010012.7406@cs.yale.edu>, A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu>  writes:
> 	<1992Sep25.164313.7088@iscsvax.uni.edu>
> 
> 
>>>> "MH" == Mary Howard <howard@iscsvax.uni.edu> writes:
> 
> MH> Most meat contains antibiotics and hormones. Has anyone done any studies as
> MH> to the long-term effects of eating meat from livestock who have been given
> MH> large amounts of antibiotics and hormones?  I know that there are some
> MH> problems in taking antibiotics in that one builds up a tolerance to them,
> MH> and antibiotics given for an illness would then be less effective.
> 
> I'd like to know about this too. Also, does anyone have any information on how
> this risk compares to the risk from the pesticides and other toxins that will
> be present in vegetables anyway? (By the way, wouldn't most hormones get
> digested before being absorbed? And do hormones that affect animals affect
> humans in the same way?)
> 

Apparently Dr. Benjamin Spock made a statement yesterday (at John Hopkins, 
I think), stating that he was concerned about cows milk being fed to 
children because of possible antibiotics. One of the Iowa television
stations (KWWL in Waterloo) did a story on it this morning. They went
and interviewed a dairy farmer, who said that he does use antibiotics
with his dairy cattle, but that he discards the milk for a certain time
after the use of antibiotics. The trouble is, I'm not sure all dairy 
farmers are that honest, nor what the extent of the testing of the USDA
is. 

The use of antibiotics not only occurs in dairy cattle, but also in 
cattle raised for meat production and hogs. The use of hormones in 
livestock raised for meat consumption in order to get animals to gain 
weight is also common practice. One person I know who raises cattle
without the use of hormones said it was such common practice that she
allowed her son to use hormones on a cow that would be shown at the 
4-H fair, since it could not possibly win if she didn't. 

If anyone has a more complete statement by Dr. Spock, I'd be interested
in hearing it, and also any studies that have been done on these subjects. 

-Mary Howard

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,dc.general
From: briel@smiley.mitre.org (Marc Briel)
Subject: Dietetics/Nutrition Job Referral Sources?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: va, md, dc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:41:23 GMT

My wife is looking for D.C. area job referral contacts (headhunters, employment
agencies, individuals, etc.) in the general area of dietetics and/or
nutrition. Please e-mail any responses to briel@mitre.org.

Thanks in advance for any info!

Marc Briel
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: mehta@watson.bms.com (Pradhyuman Mehta)
Subject: Leg Cramps in Pregnancy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:11:00 GMT

Netters,

    My wife is 5.5 months pregnant and has recently started to experience leg 
cramps at night. She asked her doctor and was advised that this is normal 
during pregnancy for some women. Can anyone explain why she gets these cramps 
and what can be done to free her of these cramps. Please reply to my internet
address (mehta@bms.com) since I don't read this group daily.

Cheers,

Prej
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: Juice vs. Soda
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:02:37 GMT

In article <hhll.717905619@milton> hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>     NSA CIA BUSH HACKER KILL ASSASSIN IRAN FBI CRIME QUAYLE SPOOK 
>            RSA PGP DES IRAQ DSS RDX RSA CUBA ENCRYPT LIBYA
>*****************************************************************************

	Hmmmm.  Is this supposed to be a test to see if the spooks are watching
this group or a parsimonious summary of the Iran-Contra investigation?

tony
bible@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Vegetarian diets
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:53:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.123652.1277@athena.cs.uga.edu> hulsey@athena.cs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey) writes:
>[...]
>I have not read the book, but the title "Power of your Plate" implies an 
>emphasis on the ethical consequences of dietary choices at the expense 
>of health consequences.
>[...]>
>Martin G. Hulsey (mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu)
>Dept. Foods & Nutrition          Support animal research.
>University of Georgia            Your life may depend on it.


Actually, Martin, you might like this book.  It is entirely about the
health consequences of nutrition, and extensively quotes many experts in
the field even when they do not advocate veganism but merely a low-fat
omnivorous diet.  Of course, in his conclusion, Dr Barnard recommends a
low fat vegan diet; however, there is enough information in the book to
help even people who have no interest in veganism.

Rosemary Waigh
rwaigh@zooid.guild.org



Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Irradiation As Food Preservative?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:30:58 GMT

I would be interested in comments about food irradiation from
nutritionists with experience in analyzing such food for its
nutritional and/or toxic effects.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Vitamins:  How to Get the Right Mix?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:51:22 GMT

In article <TSF.92Sep30134436@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) writes:
}
}   From article <1992Sep21.135826.29196@mercury.cair.du.edu>, by kguinn@diana.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn):
}   > Also--I have bad eyesight.  A common "urban legend" is that if I 
}   > were to consume a megadose of Vitamin A every day for a long
}   > period, my eyesight would improve.  
}
}Vitamin A shortage causes night blindness.  If you have night
}blindness, then vitamin A might help.  There would probably be no use
}in megadosing though.  If you have something else wrong with your
}eyes, I doubt that vitamin A would help.

I doubt that taking non-polar vitamins will allow you to see in the darkness
inside a coffin...
From: cjross@testament.bbn.com (Chris Ross)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Gluten content of "unusual" grains
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:40:45 GMT
Reply-To: cjross@bbn.com (Chris Ross)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


The current thread on gluten intolerance has me wondering...

With respect to gluten-free diets, most of my nutrition textbooks
point to wheat, rye, oats, and barley as the "bad guys" and to rice
and corn as the "good guys."  None have anything to say about other
grains that tend to lie outside the mainstream American diet, such as
buckwheat, millet, quinoa, amaranth, and spelt.  Does anyone know if
these contain gluten?


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