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From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Catching up...
Summary: synthetic oil
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:29:58 GMT
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona

In article <-dmjtsa.pauly@netcom.com>, pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
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> 
> About Mobil-1: Apparently no one is really sure about whether it is a true
> synthetic at this point or not.  A few years ago, it was definitely a 
> petroleum based synthetic.  As someone pointed out, the bottles now say
> 100% synthetic.  So, if anyone else has some insight...
I would like to clarify some terminology you are using that may clear this up:

The conventional oils that we grew up with, derive their base oil from
crude oil (the stuff that comes out of the ground).  This base oil has a
wide range of light and heavy oils (short to long chain molecules).  The
100% synthetic (exclusive of additive carrier) are manufactured by
catalyzing (ethylene oxide?) into single medium length oil molecules. 
Just because they manufactured it instead of getting it from the ground,
it's still oil.  Calling something "petroleum" would mean it comes from
the ground, but the end "sythetic" product still "looks like" petroleum.
It's the shorter molecules of conventional oil that are
vaporised or removed/destroyed first in an engine and therefore change
the viscosity of the oil and leave varnish deposits over time.  It's
really alot more complicated, but you get the picture.

Mobil1 and Valvoline 100% sythetics than purchase an additive package
that they spec., that contains other items your engine needs to survive.
They add this package (which is mixed in oil, that's the exclusive
statement) with their base oil and put into cans/drums as required.

IMHO a synthetic base stock is a start in the right direction but the
correct additive package is also important.

As for the other synthetic oils (the $10 - $20/ can), I don't know
enough about them.

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From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Using the horn
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:28:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr10.182818.5018
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.231849.6667@koko.csustan.edu> james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>>
>>
>>   I found another way of getting someones attention is to rev your engine
>>out to around 5000 rpm. This works especially well if your driving an old 
>>Alfa Romeo or a harley davidson. Never try this with an automatic though.
>    It works ESPECIALLY well if you are driving a hog, have a full
>    beard, bugs in your teeth, and a large picture of a skull on
>    your jacket.

  It also works well if you have a diesel engine and downshift a couple
  of gears and let it roar.
  .
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Viper Update
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 06:33:41 GMT

In article <22030033@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> maurice@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Maurice Liang) writes:
>Dodge dealers can now place orders for 1993 Vipers (production scheduled to
>begin in fall '92). Most dealers seem to want a $5k deposit and some 
>premium ranging from $5k to $20k over MSRP.  I managed to find a dealer in
>our area that would place the order for MSRP.  Incredibly, the whole 
>experience was very pleasant.  He wrote up the order for MSRP, I gave him 
>my deposit, and that was it.  No hassles, no dickering, nothing.  

you bought a viper???
i'm jealous.
maybe, just maybe, you could drive it to the Farm
and give us starving stanford students a good look at it.
seriously... holy shit!
i am more impressed by that than by the guy who bought the 500SL.

can't wait to see my first viper on the road, in the flesh.
testarossas, NSXs, and diablos are old hat.
i've even seen the 288 GTO...
From: synth@yenta.alb.nm.us (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wasted on Women? GOTCHA!
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:14:43 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

PAISLEY@auvm.american.edu writes:

>Those of you who flamed my "flame" of the original post on this thread must
>be really conceited.  You immediately thought that although you caught the
>humor in the original post, nobody else would.  Well, I caught it too, and
>(in the spirit of April Fools' Day) decided to play along and posted a
>"flame".  Didn't any of you think twice before flaming flame-bait to flame-
>bait on APRIL FOOLS' DAY?
>I'm actaully getting quite a laugh out of this whole thing.

Eeek.  Tragic, so tragic ...

Well, what April Fools' Day would be complete without a fool, right? :-)


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From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:06:09 GMT
Subject: Re: An interesting Comparison
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 93 ford probe
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:42:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


when will the new probe really be out???????
i have heard june from several magazines...but others claim it will have a normal fall intro.  if so, why are the new 93 mx-6's coming out earlier than the probe?
anyone know the scoop on this??????
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Subject: Help in Car Repair 
Reply-To: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:06:09 GMT

I do not have much knowledge about cars and would like to seek your
help in assessing my situation.

I own a '81 Toyota Carona. The timing chain inside the engine slipped out
and I showed it to a mechanic near my house. He said there was some damage
done while I was trying to start the car without knowing that the chain
slipped out. He told me that it would cost atleast $800 or so and he
said he cannot guarantee anything even after charging that much. He even
suggested that I could put a used engine for that price. I bought
the car for $1800 (two years back) and have already spent quite a bit
on repairs. I think putting another $800 on that car is not worth it. 
Junkyards are quoting a mere $25 and I am sure it is worth more than that.
(I recently put a new battery, which by itself is worth more).

I am not really sure if what I have is a serious problem.  Why should the
slipping of timing chain (which by itself cost $175 or so) create such a big
problem? Should I trust the mechanic? I have trouble showing it to many
mechanics as I have to tow it back and forth. Did anyone had a similar problem?
What should I do?

Any suggestions are appreciated.

-aluru
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: TX_WAYNE@rrivax.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Johnson)
Subject: Re: Ford Explorer
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Robarts Research Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:52:45 GMT

In <1992Apr10.133443.26106@unx.sas.com> snoelc@condor.unx.sas.com writes:

> In article <167C4B4BD.D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU>, you write:
> |> If anyone has an Explorer please let me know how you like it and if you have
> |> had any problems.
> |>
> |> Steve Rimar
> |> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
> 
> 
[...]
> 
> We did have a problem with the cassette player.  It would eat tapes.
> We dropped it off for service, and they replaced the radio.  However,
> they put a different radio in it.  So, they replaced it again.
> However, they put another different radio in it (3 different radios).
> 

I have a '92 2wd Eddie Bauer.  It's got the Ford/JBL sound system in it
and the tape player is screwed up with it, too.  It Won't reverse or rewind.
The dealer currently has one on order - hopefully I won't have as much trouble
as you have.  They had to take the radio out first to get the model number off
it then put it back in while we wait for the new one...

I've cranked up 19k km's on mine, and very much enjoy the vehicle.  The only
other problem I've had is a leaky air bladder in the back of the drivers seat.  
The dealer replaced this and I have had no problems with it since.

One thing that I was surprised with is how quiet a ride the truck gives (wind,
road noise).  It's much better than my '90 Stanza.  It's still a truck when
it comes to cornering, going over bumps, etc, though.

I've also found that the truck is NOT very sure-footed in ice and snow. It 
likes to "come around" (go sideways) on you.  My neighbor has an Explorer, too
and he has noticed the same thing.   I wonder if the fat tires that Ford puts
on them are the cause.


Wayne Johnson              |       '73 Dodge Challenger Rallye
Robarts Research Institute |---------------------------------------------   
London, Canada             | Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed here are
                           | only those of that programmer in the basement,
tx_wayne@rrivax.rri.uwo.ca | and, hey, nobody cares what he thinks anyways.
From: adrian@mti.mti.com (Adrian McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Vehicle ID Numbers
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:46:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Micro Technology, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Originator: adrian@mti

Hours after taking delivery of my new Honda Civic EX, I discovered a
discrepancy between the vehicle ID number on the car and the one in the
paperwork.  The tenth digit on the car is an N.  On the paperwork it's
an M.  I called the dealer to get it straightened out, figuring that it
was no big deal -- somebody just transcribed it wrong.

The dealer was very concerned, because the original factory paperwork
from Japan has an M.  I checked the car again, and the dash plaque and the
door-jamb sticker both have N.  The dealer has decided he'll "correct" the
paperwork.

My insurance guy tells me that VINs have a checksum digit to help detect
typos, and it's unlikely that both combinations are valid VINs.  How can
I be sure which VIN is valid?

Aid.  (adrian@lexcel.com)
From: commisso@kodak.com (Susanne Commisso)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need feedback on Integra RS, Saturn SL2, Escort LXE/Tracer
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: commisso@kodak.com (Susanne Commisso)
Distribution: na
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

In article <kubce7INN79g@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones) writes:


In article <kubce7INN79g@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, 
|> 
|> 1.  The Integra's obviously the class act.  I've visited the lot but haven't
|> had my test drive yet.  From the reviews, I already assume that this is the
|> superior car for  my needs.  (Feel free to correct me.)  But will 
|> Acura dealers cut a good deal these days?  It lists at about 12.5-13k, stripped 
|> (which is how I'd take it) but the dealer cost is about 10.5k.  
|> Acura dealers used to demand list price.  Will they deal these days?
|


Although I did not drive an Acura I have recently gone to a Honda dealer
and I was able to negotiate with them.  I offered them the Dealer's Price +
Destination charge + profit ($250-500) and they were willing to accept that
(although some of them want to add an advertising fee you can probably find one
that won't)


|> 2.  The Saturn SL2's okay, but I wasn't quite sure about the handling.  It
|> seems to have a tendency towards top-roll.  What are other peoples'
|> experiences with Saturn handling on twisty roads at good speed?

As far as a Saturn, I drove one and was not impressed at all.  The car
had no pick up and the steering wheel vibrated.  They report good one
year reliability but it has only been out one year.  My personal opinion
is to wait until all the bugs are out.

|> 
|> 3.  I wasn't even considering the Escort, but I read an excellent review of`
|> the LXE in that "Edmund's 20 Best Cars for 1992."  The specs look good.
|> Does anyone have experience with it? Do you like it?  How's the
|> reliability been?

A friend of mine bought a 1991 Escort and has been pretty happy with it
but Acura overall has top ratings for reliability, crash tests and overall
satisfaction (from what I have read and from friends that own them)

Good Luck!!!

susan
From: Joe.Dzurinda@p0.f512.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Dzurinda)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Advice on purchase of Ford Ranger Light Truck
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:36:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohiont.7589.29E1D713
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/512.0 - OHIONet Express, Cleveland OH


 > From: TMR@WDL1.WDL.LORAL.COM (TIM RYAN)
 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:44:50 GMT
 > Organization: LORAL.WDL
 > Message-ID: <1992Apr6.204450.10820@wdl.loral.com>
 >> --
 >> Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements
 > of
 >> separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined
 > in time,
 >> struck together to form a new chord within my hollow
 > and echoing
 >> gourd. --Unknown net.person
 >>
 >> Responce;
 > I purchased a 1991 Ford Ranger Extened Cab STX 4X4 in Dec
 > 1990.
 > The manual transmission is very difficult to shift and
 > the first gear is to
 > low.
 > The STX includes special Gas shock and lots of sickers
 > on the sides.
 >
 > Complants,
 > The 1990 Raners electric windows are located in the wrong
 > place, they may have
 > moved them in 91.
 > The STX ride very nice but its pay load is very limited.
 > The special Rims are Ok but not very deep and scratch very
 > easily.
 >
 > Over all I'm very disepointed with the vehical
 > I've had no real problems.
 >
 > if you want more infolet me no!
 >
 > T. Ryan
 
 
I had the same complaint with the shifting of the 5 speed, except 
that I felt they could have used a lower 1st gear.  Whenever I used 
this truck off-road I had to use a bit to much clutch to suit me. 
Maybe if Ford had supplied a creeper gear I would have been happier. 
I've had 3 of these trucks with absolutly no complaints.  The latest 
has the automatic and I like that more than the stick.  I don't know 
why the 4.0 L would be rated 160hp with the auto and 140hp with the 
stick.  My guess is that the 4.0 L comes only with the auto and the 
smaller 2.9 L can be ordered with the stick.  I know the 2.9 L was 
rated at 140hp so maybe that is the difference. 


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From: mkoby@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mark Kobayashi)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 20:22:18 GMT
Subject: Re: New 1991 CRX si - worth?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


We were discussing redesigns on the net here about the CRX.

You might tell your friend that the CRX is undergoing a redesign
for mid 92.  This may affect his decision - on the other hand,
it may not :-) .

                                     M. Kobayashi
                                     mkoby@hpinddf.cup.hp.com

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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Galant VR4 clutch
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:51:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: baxter@ksr.com's message of 6 Apr 92 21:00:05 GMT
bcc: carl, baxter@ksr.com (David Baxter)


David,

I think that it's time to read the warranty of the car VERY carefully.
If you have performed all maintenance as scheduled and can document it
then I think you have a valid issue (not that there's really any
specific clutch maintenance, but the above documentation should at
least prove the warranty valid).  

I think that a clutch at 23k should be covered UNLESS THEY can prove
that it was beaten or abused.  If they cannot show signs of abuse then
I would call it premature clutch failure, plain and simple.

I think you should INSIST to Mitsubishi Consumer Relations that they
are responsible under their terms of the warranty to fix the clutch.
Hell, this is cheap enough for you to take it to small claims court,
and THIS is just what small claims is for.

There always IS the lemon law although I'm not sure your car
qualifies.

I've heard SO many bad things about Mitsubishis that I'm glad I don't
own one (and I did look at the VR-4!).

-Carl-
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From: john@edsi.plexus.COM (John Moder)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Purchace of a Vechical
Summary: S10
Keywords: S10
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:29:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr09.112953.25499
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI



Howdy..

Looking for advice on the S10 blazer/S15 Jimmy.  has a 2.8l Thorotle
body injected motor, nice package, body is decent, but has 105,000 on
the motor.  Looks clean, but I would like ANY problems that ANYONE has
had with them.  I know the 83-85's has a HORENDUOS problem with the rear
main oil seals.  I will be looking at this one tonight.

he's asking $6995.00

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mgh@hera.aps.anl.gov (Mike G. Hoffberg)
Subject: dual radar detectors
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:17:47 GMT

In article <7490@brchh104.bnr.ca> ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood) writes:

>
>I currently own and operate two radar units. One is an Escort mounted above
>the rear view mirror and the other is a grill mounted detector with a remote
>unit inside the car. Basically they both work very well. They will both give
>false alert signals occasionally, but years of use has tuned my ear to 
>interprate the beeps. 

Do the units interfere with each other?  I assume that sinch both
operate on the same Intermediate Frequency, that maybe the overall
sensitivity is diminished on the system.

Just a thought.

MIKE


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From: jacob@SWDC.Stratus.COM (Jacob Shen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Explorer mailing list
Keywords: Ford, Explorer
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:34:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

Is there a Ford Explorer mailing list?  Thanks.

jacob@swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Rey Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wasted on Women? GOTCHA!
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:46:29 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

PAISLEY@auvm.american.edu writes:

>Those of you who flamed my "flame" of the original post on this thread must
>be really conceited.  You immediately thought that although you caught the
>humor in the original post, nobody else would.  Well, I caught it too, and
>(in the spirit of April Fools' Day) decided to play along and posted a
>"flame".  Didn't any of you think twice before flaming flame-bait to flame-
>bait on APRIL FOOLS' DAY?
>I'm actaully getting quite a laugh out of this whole thing.

>Cheers,
>Gordon.
>As for those of you who agreed with any of the substantive points of my
>"flame", I think that at least some of them do stand on their own merits,
>even outside the context of the joke. (e.g. applying makeup while driving)

*>>> Oh yeah ! I believe it. Perhaps you could include some wit in your
     posting and we might recognise the *humour* ark ark. 

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From: molly@execu.execu.com (Molly Markley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Infiniti M30
Keywords: opinions, info, reliability
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:31:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Austin Dev. Center, Comshare Inc.


A co-worker led me to this group for help.  He said that there
had been some talk about Infinitis previously, but after sifting
through 180 articles, I didn't find any!  So, please excuse this
request if it's already been posted...any e-mail would be greatly
appreciated!

I currently have an '87 RX-7.  After four engines and only 41,000
miles, I am looking for a new car before the extended warranty 
expires!  Since I have had a great deal of trouble with my car,
the Infiniti warranty looks wonderful!  However, I'd like to hear
from those who may have had good or bad experience with them.
There aren't many "repair reports" out on them, since they've only
been out a couple of years.

If you have other suggestions for cars I should consider, I am 
open to those, too.  I want something sporty, with an airbag,
sunroof, ABS brakes, no motorized seatbelts!, two doors, preferably
a back seat, and preferably 5-speed (yes, I know the M30's come only
in automatic).  And, it goes without saying...reliability, safety,
etc. are important, as well.  I'd like to stay under $22-23,000 if
possible.  Not asking for much, eh?  :-}

Thanks in advance for any help/guidance you can give me!

Molly

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From: spare@remus.rutgers.edu (Joshua Spare)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: more on new cars
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:50:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Rutgers University

Another car you might like to try is the Taurus SHO.  Great car. Pretty quick for a sedan (or a sports car for that matter.)
From: jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:07:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Mar20.173436.12287@eff.org> peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
>
>
>In article  P. J. Remner, aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>
>>THAT IS 2 "l"s!!! What, you want Caroll to have ANOTHER heart transplant?
>
>I could be wrong, but I think it's Carroll Shelby.



No, you are right. It is spelled Carroll Shelby (two 'r's and two 'l's).


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