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From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Is windows serious? (Re: Windows MM extension for bankswitched or
 downloadable synths)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:21:38 +0000

A question which interests me is: is Windows MIDI stuff serious? Is it
providing something OMS-like or MIDI Manager-like with SMPTE, inter-process
data transfer, multiple cable interfaces, etc.? Or is a multimedia toy?
(i.e. General MIDI.)

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kemp@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (John Kemp)
Subject: CAPYBARA/KYMA ???
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:32:38 GMT

Is there any online information about the 
Capybara/KYMA synthesis system?  I believe it is
a Mac-based multi-DSP-board sound generation system.

This type of graphical, DSP-driven, unit-generator, 
computer-based system for sound generation seems to me to be
the most logical and flexible approach for generating
new sounds.  I am surprised we don't hear more about
the above system on this newsgroup.  Is it that such a 
system is *SO* expensive, no one can afford it?

Is it like taking a K2000 x 10 ???
More info please,
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From: miner@panix.com (Ed Miner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale: Korg S3: Rhythym Workstation
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:28:06 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

<< For Sale >>

Korg S3 Rhythym Workstation

includes:
 Ram/Rom Dance Card from Korg
 Dance/Funk Ram Card from Sound Source Unlimited
 Dust Cover
 Alexander Publishing S3 Book
 all original packing and manuals

Features:
	16 bit samples
	drum synthesizer
	digital multi-effects unit (same as in M1 Keyboard)
	SMPTE generator (read and write SMPTE code)
	8 track sequencer (4 pattern and 4 linear)
	ability to split sounds into attack and decay components
	192 pulse per quarter note resolution
	1 Ram Card Slot/ 2 Rom Card Slots


Email offers to miner@panix.com

thanks,
ed
From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Christopher Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Kawai k4r
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:30:31 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

RE: 2 / 4 Occillators(sp?)

You can use 4, but doing so uses up 2 notes poly, so for the decent sounds
the K4 / K4r is 8 note poly.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak)
Subject: Re: Ensoniq ASR10 Info Wanted
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:43:02 CST

In article <9211211221.aa26204@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>>I have heard that the keyboards Ensoniq puts on 
>>their products are sometimes unreliable, has anyone had any problems with 
>>their Ensoniq?
>
>As a matter of general interest... The first one to arrive in my local
>store crashed within 10 minutes.
>
so. whats your point? :-)

btw, traffic count on this group(s) (as of this rn session):
	rec.music.synth  	55 messages 
	rec.music.makers.synth  11 messages
;-)
Don
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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: GeneralMusic (GEM) S2 bugs
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:00:17 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Nov9.204206.18769@odin.corp.sgi.com>:
>Jim Aiken (again, paraphrased) :  "I've been reviewing a synth that has 
>had a lot of advertising recently."  Around the office I've been calling 
>it a "bloated <expletive> pig."  I won't use those words in the review,
>of course, but I'm not going to say a lot of good things about it, either."
>
>No one was about to say "General Music" by name, but it was pretty obvious 
>to me what they were talking about.  And the review in EM made it crystal
>clear.

I just read the review.  It does not preserve *any* RAM memory during
power-off and there is *no* SYSEX dump capability (you must save to floppy).
This is downright naive.  The reviewer then had the gall to compare it
to the K2000.


BTW:  Did anybody notice that our net aquaintances, Metlay and Rothwell,
were mentioned in the article about laptop MIDI computers?

ANOTHER BTW: I also picked up a copy of "Home & Studio Recording" 
(or whatever the proper name is) and experienced a strange feeling of 
deja vu while reading the letters column.  Sure enough, this mag and 
"Electronic Musician" both had the exact same letter (from the same guy) 
in their letter columns.  I had a good laugh.  I mean, what are your chances 
of getting a letter printed in the letters column?  This guy apparently sent 
off the same letter to who-knows-how-many music mags and gets lucky at 
least twice.  It wasn't even that good a letter.  He *did* congratulate 
them for a fine magazine.


-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:22:47 GMT

In article <92318.140834CTIRABAS@ESTEC.BITNET> <CTIRABAS@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
|>Hope it does not sound too silly...
|>A lot of games support music score thru MIDI interface (MPU-401 compatible).
|>They usually play an MT-32.
|>Does anybody know if a D-10, D-110 or even D-50 would work as well?
|>
|>Cesare
|>

	I have a D10 (same as D110) and just last night I configured
	it to be an MT32 setup.   As far as patches, it should be
	*very* close to the original MT32 setup.  A lot of games,
	though, like to initalize the MT32, which, on the D10, screws
	up the levels (particularly on the rhythm secions) so many times
	I'll have to "reboot" by D10 right after a game loads in.

	If a lot of people are interested, I can post (to this newsgroup
	or to an ftp site) the sysex dump for my setup.

	Let me know.

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From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (A.R.F.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Distortion pedal ascii schematic
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:35:13 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

Here is the Distortion pedal schematic that a few people have asked me
to post.  First, a few notes on the device and the schematic:

1) The + sign means that the wires are connected together
2) /\/\/ are resistors
3) /\/\/
     ^   are variable resistors (Pots)
4) |< and >| are diodes
5) |( and = are capacitors.  Not the polarity markings where noted
6) Vs is the positive power supply connection.
7) Vin and Vout are the INPUT and OUTPUT respectively
8) GND is of course ground

I've run this project off of both 9V (battery) and 15V supplies and 
there have been no problems.
This circuit is so small and easy to build, that more than one unit
could be built into a little box.  Since only 1/4 of the LM324 Quad Op
Amp is being utilized, this would make even more sense, as you've
already got the majority of the connections made to the chip made, and
there are no extra chips to install.
As I've mentioned in my initial message, this simple little project
wont sound like distortion devices costing 20 times as much as this
one, but it is a pretty good effect considering it's cost.  About $5
without a case and battery?
Also, the 1N914 diodes may be replaced with 1N4148s

                           100K   - Fuzz Depth
          -----\/\/\-------\/\/\-----
          |     10K          ^      |
          |                  |------+ 
          +--------|<---------------+
          |       1N914             |
          +----------->|------------+
          |          1N914          |
          |                         |
          |           ----+-o Vs    |
          |           |   |         |
          |           |   = 0.1uF   |
Vin  10K  |         |\|   |         |
o-|(-/\/\/+---------|-\  GND        |
  1 uF          1/4 |  \            |
               LM324|   ------------+
                    |  /            |
          ----------|+/             \       1 uF
          |         |/|             /<----|(-----o Vout
          |           |             \ 100K
          |          GND            |          - Fuzz Intensity
     100K |   100K                 GND
Vs o-/\/\/+---\/\/\-----
          |+           |
          = 10uF      GND
          |
         GND

Reprinted without permission from National Semiconductor's Audio
Handbook.  (1976 Edition - Out of print.)
As stated in the beginning of the book: "No circuit patent licenses
are implied."
           
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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: How do I upgrade my K4 ROMs to 1.4?
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:57:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Nov23.043110.13400@stiatl.salestech.com> iam@stiatl.salestech.com (Ian Mercado) writes:
>Yes, I've been experiencing that wonderful "static" problem lately and was
>curious as to what I must do to upgrade my K4 synth to the 1.4 ROMs.
>Any info on the cost and the address/phone number I need to get in touch
>with Kawai would be much appreciated.

Has anyone got dumps of the 1.4 ROMs that they can send me ? KAWAI UK claim
that such ROMs don't exsist *8-(

Davei
From: dan@midi.enet.dec.com (Dan Gosselin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ** Yamaha WX7 wind cont. for sale **
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:10:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


FOR SALE:

Yamaha WX7 wind controller, the "standard" professional wind controller against
which all other wind controllers are compared.  In near-mint condition.

Specifications:

Sensors: 	wind sensor (breath pressure); lip sensor (lip pressure)

Controls:	Keys X 14; pitch bend wheel; key hold; program change;
		octave transpose (-2 to + 3 octaves)

Terminals:	MIDI OUT/DC in (special single connector to belt pack)

MIDI transmit	1 or 3 [normal mode]; 1 + 2 or 3 + 4 [dual play mode]
  channels

DIP switches	After touch; MIDI volume; transpose to Bb; transpose to Eb;
		Key hold normal/follow; dual play no breath/use breath;
		Wind Curve select; Loose Lip/Tight Lip

Adjustable 	Lip Zero; Lip Gain; Wind Zero; Wind Gain
  pots

Dimensions	57 x 64 x 538 mm (2<" x 2=" x 21<")

Weight		380 grams (13= ounces)

Original retail price: $995.  Selling for $350.

Can be seen at my home in Nashua, NH.  If interested, send mail to me at
dan@midi.enet.dec.com or call me at (work) DTN 381-1999 or (home) (603)891-2880.
USA sales only, please.  Also comes with AC adapter.

-Dan
From: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland/Rhodes MK-80 and K-2000 questions
Keywords: MK-80, K-2000
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:43:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkcs2.lgg5ftINNaq
Reply-To: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

Could users of the MK-80 give me some feedback?
I'd like to know how it performs as a MIDI master.
I wasn't too impressed with its MIDI programmability
when I demoed it.
And how road worthy is it?
And is $2000/US a good/fair deal on it?

As for the K2000:  I heard that they've been
shipping for around $2000-2100.  With how much
RAM is this?  With how many disks?
How road worthy are these guys?
Do they make a rack mount version?  What's it going for?

Thanks.  -- Tim
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ikettu@cs.joensuu.fi (Ilpo Kettunen)
Subject: WANTED: Midiator
Summary: WANTED: Midiator
Keywords: wanted midiator
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:34:04 GMT


	WANTED: Midiator MS-101 or MS-103
	(possible with windows 3.1 driver)

	Please E-Mail to:
		ikettu@cs.joensuu.fi   or
		11889H@joyl.joensuu.fi

	PS. Since it's not available here in Finland
	I am interested in new ones too.


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon, I3.KI 2665)
Subject: Re: Yamaha SY85
Reply-To: thomas@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:08 GMT

In article 54u@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de, ibsieker@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Bernd Sieker) writes:
> 
> The most expensive synthesizer without sequencer seems to be the
> SY55, tho I'm not sure, if it is still being produced.
> It couldn't compete with the SY85 anyway, i. e. it is a few
> years older (therefore inferiour sound quality, fewer changable
> sound parameters and no filters)
> 
> Bernd
> ~~~~~
> -- 

The SY55 does have an on-board sequencer.  It also has (resonant)
filters, and its sound quality is not, in my humble opinion, (much)
inferior.   The main improvements made in the SY85 over the SY55, which is
its predecessor are:

1) more voices (30, up from 16)
2) more ROM waves  (6 megabytes, up from 2.  Admittedly, this may have improved
the sound quality of some of the samples.)
3) RAM memory for your own samples
4) a disk drive
5) 2 independent effects processors, instead of one, now with real-time control.
(OK, this may also have improved the sound somewhat.)
5) and most important, a much improved user-interface:  larger display, 8 sliders,
etc.

 
---
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GMD, FIT; Artificial Intelligence Research Division
5205 Sankt Augustin 1 / Germany
email: thomas.gordon@gmd.de;  phone: (+49 2241) 14-2665
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: PatchLibrarianforKORG
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:27:51 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-16-92 10:26

K > From: kuehn@sound.esm.rochester.edu (Mikel Kuehn)
K > Subject: Patch Librarian for KORG M1
K > 
K >         Does anyone know of a PC-based editor for the KORG-M1 Workstation?
K > 

SoundQuest makes a stand alone PC based editor/librarian for the 
Korg-M1. It's called MidiQuest and sells for under $100. I'm not 
aware of any shareware/freeware ed/lib.
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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Where does a remixer/producer go to school in New York?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 15:51:18 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <BxxBrH.Kru@cmcl2.nyu.edu> (rec.music.synth), galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov17.024354.8317@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald  
> Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> |I really want to know ...
> |
> |I'm leaving my Computer Science major here in June and I'm  
> |heading for my home, New York City.
> |
> |I really want to get in the music business.  However, I'm still  
> |going to go to college ...

If you really want to get into the music business than I would suggest
you do exactly that.  Better to take the money and use it towards
real life experiences than purchasing any more college credits.

David
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,misc.forsale
From: troehl@nyx.cs.du.edu (tom roehl)
Subject: Roland D-10, Ensoniq EPS for sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:49:27 GMT


NOTE: Please respond to 'tom@dacnet.com'

For Sale:

Roland D-10 Multi-Timbral synthesizer, mint condition.  $500
 
Ensoniq EPS sampling keyboard with 4x expander.  Home use only.  All
original docs/disks/box/etc..  Will include extensive sample library
consisting of over 100 disks of samples and sequences.Asking $800

Tom Roehl
tom@dacnet.com
(703)276-1378
From: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se (Brad Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster MIDI port
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

First of all, the MIDI ins and outs on the soundblaster game port are not
altogether truly MIDI connections.  In fact, they just plain aren't.  If you
had a packet of MIDI information and wanted to send it in or out of these,
that would be fine.  But you would need to send this information TTL.
TTL? you say.  Zero is low voltage (roughly zero), and one is high voltage
(roughly 5).  MIDI in reality doesn't work this way.  If you tried to connect
your synth to these inputs/outputs you made a mistake.  MIDI works using
current loops (eek! you mean like a teletype? Yup!).  With MIDI a zero is
represented with no current and a one is represented with current (or is it
the other way around?).  In any case, without the proper conversion from
current to voltage between your synth and the "MIDI" port on the SoundBlaster
it just plain won't work.  It could even cost you a lot of money.  The interface
box that you can buy for the SoundBlaster handles that conversion.  There
isn't much in there (I made one myself), but if you don't know what you're
doing buying one is a lot cheaper than repairs to your synth or
motherboard/soundcard.  DONT JUST GO PLUGGING THINGS IN AND SEE WHAT
SMOKES!

Just my 2-1/2 cents worth,
Brad
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Subject: Re: Oberheim Matrix 1000 vs. Matrix 6R
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:52:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.010910.21869@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
|> In <N289TB5w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
|> (A.R.F.) writes:
|> * 
|> *I've used both the Matrix 1000 and Matrix 6.  I've found the 1000 to
|> be 
|> *very Cold; Thin and Digital sounding, as compared to the Matrix 6. 
|> I 
|> *myself would go for the 6 before the 1000.  (Haven't heard the 6r).
|> * 
|> 
|> I wouldn't go so far as to say that the 1000 is "very cold", but
|> there
|> is a noticable difference between it and the M6.  If I had a choice,
|> I would use a 6R.  However, M1000's are more readily available.

There are differences in the oscillator frequency regulation of the two
units.  Matrix 6/R has an auto tuning function.  M1000 does not.  Guess
which one is more stable.

The 6/R uses rather low resolution oscillator frequency modulation. 
This can be heard by cranking up pitch modulation depth and speed. 
M1000 has better oscillator freq modulation resolution.  So, the M1000
has less grundge (and this is undesirable grunge consisting of subtle
clicks. I don't consider this grunge to be a desirable attirbute of the
6/R) than the M6/R.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson)
Subject: Yamaha PSR 300/300m
Reply-To: dean@thrall.com
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:40:50 GMT


I am  in the process of buying my wife a keyboard for 
Christmas, and I find myself in need of some advice. 

First of all, what is the differnece between the Yamaha PSR 300 and the 300m
models? And second, does anybody know where I could mail order one of these  
models? The best price that I have been quoted is $320.00 + tax. If I could do  
better than that mail order I'd be pretty happy.

Thanks for your time.

Dean Johnson

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: FOR SALE: A.R.T. SGE Mach 2--Digital/Analog Multi Efx Box
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:05:58 GMT

Posting for a friend w/o Internet/USENET access. Respond to the
email address below.

FOR SALE: A.R.T. SGE Mach 2 -- Digital/Analog Mulitple Effects Device
          $350 (if buyer pre-pays, seller will pay shipping)

This unit is in pristine shape. It is 2 years old and has hardly
been used. Never been out of the house!

Details:
*) Single space rack unit.

*) Upto 12 effects at once.
   Upto 8 analog effects at once; Upto 4 digital effects at once

*) Digital Effects:
   Lotsa Reverbs/Chorus/Flange/Pitch Shifter/Mono & Stereo Delays

*) Analog Effects:
   Harmonic Exciter/Compressor/Limiter/Expander/Distortion
   Envelope Filter/3-band EQ/Speaker Simulator

*) Signal-To-Noise Ratio: > 90 db
   i.e., SUPER quiet from a recordng point of view.

Reason for selling: seller is returning to college to finish
Master's in Archaeology and dirt and digital hardware just
don't mix! :-)

Interested parties please respond to:

	wb@tornado.kodak.com


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: Re: FTP trouble
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.165457.21033@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:
>
>I FTPed a *lot* of files from nic.funet.fi and about 80-90% of them
>cannot be 'unzipped'.  They generate a cryptic error message that
>doesn't supply *any* idea why they are not working.
>
>Has anyone FTPed files from this location and gotten them to work?
>
>Alan

...my own followup:  things were set as follows:
prompt: was off
binary: was on
mget: transfer method

Alan

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