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From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Boxing is Fake? (Was Re: How old are you ?)
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:33:57 GMT

In article <92347.163341IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Why is there no rec.sport.boxing?  I beleive there would be
>more postings on a boxing group than on rec.sport.swimming or
>rec.sport.triathlon.

Rec.sport-pro-wrestling was formed because someone cared enough about
it to conduct a vote on the subject.  (It also helped that the vote
went on at the same time as rec.sport.soccer, and that the footie
types were voting for our group just in case theirs didn't make it.
We were voting yes for their group as well, in case ours didn't make
it.)  I have no doubt that a revote at this point would succeed
without a problem.

Whereas I have no doubt that boxing is more mainstream, I suspect that
there are more swimmers who can still type than boxers.  Triatheletes?
Toss up on that. :-)

Anyway, if you want to form a boxing group, post a call-for-discussion,
ignore the naysayers, and run a vote.  

-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Jimmy Hart
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:58:31 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-06-93 21:55
H :From: hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley)

H :in the january issue of memphis magazine, there is an article about
H :memphis in the 60's.  one of the rock groups started in memphis, were
H :"the gentrys"  jimmy hart is listed as a member.  is this the same
H :jimmy hart of the wwf?

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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: What is a suplex?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:22:41 GMT


Tiger Suplex - I've seen it done by Misawa and Kanemoto.  It's done from the
	belly to back position, with the executor using a double chicken
	wing to hold his opponent.

There are a multitude of versions of the superplex.

Rick Steiner's Bearhug Suplex - similar to the belly to belly, except
	you take your opponant straight over the top, instead of around
	the side.


	


-- 
Dominic Macika

"Sometimes you don't hear them talk, other times you can.  Always the
same old cliches, 'Is that a woman or a man.'  And you always feel 
outnumbered, you don't dare make a stand."
			-Bob Seger "Turn the Page"
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I just caught up with the latest couple of gwf shows (which were
copyright 1993 and they kept mentioning 1993, so they must still
be making new shows, eh) and thought i'd spew forth some
comments (especially no one does a synopsis of this federation).

Kerry Von Erich has been down at the announcing table a few 
times, but hasn't wrestled.  He said today that he was in the
wwf for a while but will never leave texas again.  he said he'll
bring in his brother (is he down to just Kevin now? i lose
track when they drop like flies), his father, his old friends
from WCCW--whoever it'll take.  

"I get a lot of lawsuits." --Kerry Von Erich  best inside quote

During a terry simms match, they mentioned that he started
wrestling in the sportatorium in a tag team with Jimmy Garvin.
I musta missed that.  The first I saw of him, he was the
"beauty" half of the "Beauty and the Beast" tag team, requesting
a pink ring covering, etc.  I never saw him and Jimmy Garvin
in the same building at the same time.

They had the Super Destroyer, and mentioned that he hadn't
wrestled in the sportatorium for over 2 years, and that he used
to be part of a tag team.  I didn't get the best look at him,
but he looked waaay too young to be one of the three super 
destroyers i remember from the late 70s (or am i thinking
of the wrong super ___ team?).  Wasn't sgt slaughter a
masked super ___ at one time?  Anyone know who this current
super destroyer is and if he was one of the originals?

"Is he a wrestler or an actor?"  second best line heard on
a GWF broadcast today (Hollywood John Tatum was dressed as
Sparticus, since they're doing an angle where a movie
director/scout/whatever wants HJT to do a movie).

The new commissioner is the worst of the three i remember
(max andrews, the previous whiner who keeps making comments
about bending over in prison, and the current one (who
mentioned today that he "books" the matches)).

The "Teen Beat" brat got thrown over the top rope onto the
remaining davis brother "from 18 feet" (I'd estimate about 10
feet).  as usual, they're turning the "lunatic" from a heel
to a face.  can you say "Norman"?  can you say "Rick Steiner"?

		--Otto "SWM watching GWF" Heuer
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:27:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling

In article <6042.137.uupcb@ssr.com>, dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave
Scherer) wrote:
> 
> MA>I think a women's wrestling federation along the lines of the
>   >Japanese feds could be successful in this country.  But it would
>   >require an imaginative promoter willing to take a big risk.
> 
> Also, keep in mind that only now is Women's wrestling in Japan getting
> respect from the hardcore fans.  Years ago, when they were successful,
> it was because of teenage girls.  Now, their are hardcores too.

Womens wrestling in Japan came into its own in about 1976 or 77.  Up until
then, it was pretty much a cartoon, like it is today.  The champion, whose
name I can't recall offhand, was an overweight woman who won her matches
with the same butt-splash that Earthburp uses now.  When she retired, a new
crew of wrestlers came into their own.  Then the "Beauty Pair" teamed up (I
can't recall their names either, but one of them was Junko something) and
became an instant sensation;  they were good looking, could sing passably,
and included their theme song ("Beauty, Beauty") in each program--they even
recorded an LP.  All the other teams after them (including the heel teams)
followed their pattern.  Although there were a lot of teenage girls in the
audience, there were also a lot of older women and men (very few teenage
boys, though).  Their broadcasts usually had higher ratings than any of the
three men's shows.

(I was in the army, stationed at Camp Zama, from mid 75 to mid 78, so got
to see many of the broadcasts every week; never did get to go to any house
shows, though.  I also got to see the live broadcast of the Ali-Inoki
match.  Yuck!)

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From: mrwolf@cix.compulink.co.uk (Colin Bowman)
Subject: Wrestling tidbits                       
Cc: mrwolf@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: mrwolf@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:18:00 +0000

Herb,
The Bushwhackers may have gone stateside, but over here in the UK they are
programmed against The headshrinkers, aren't we lucky.
Colin Bowman.

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From: jkwst5+@pitt.edu (Joseph   K Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: More Suplexes
Summary: 3 Moree Possibilities
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:12:33 GMT
Followup-To: Various Suplex Articles
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Three more suplexes came to mind last night while I watched some tapes.

1 The Shawn Michaels one-leg pick-up belly-to-back
2 The onee Davey Boy did to Michaels in the match where Michaels won the I-C
  Title in which Smith lifted Michaels with one arm and suplexed(?) him.
3 A move I have seen several times from the Greco-Roman knucklelock where
  one wrestler moves in and suplexes (vertical style) the other, maintaining
  thhe knucklelock

I think these are legitimate suplexes, but I'll leave that up to everyone else
to fight about.

Joe Wright
Pitt

"I'm cool, I'm cocky, I'm bad" - Honky Tonk Man, first wrestler on a postage
                                 stamp

Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:30:45 -0500 
From: Scott Michael White <sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Distribution: world

Narcissus may be El Gigante
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:04:13 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:

>"Kept herself on top"?  Are you saying  Moolah had a Dusty Rhodes-type
>of a deal, so she could decide whether or not anyone would beat her?
>Did she *own* the belt?  What exactly was the situation?

I believe that the women's wrestling in the US was actually controlled by
Moolah for many decades(?). It's very possible that she owned the belt.

>At the time, I found it interesting that even while the various
>federations were feuding, they all recognized the same women champs.
>Of course, this all ended when McMahon took over and had Wendi
>Richter win the belt.  He then had a new, effeminate belt made,
>and he dubbed the title something like the "WWF Ladies' Championship."

The titles, both singles and tag, were originally the NWA world titles. So they
were recognized in various area. WWF continued to use the titles as WWF titles
after they left NWA in '83 since those titles were defended mainly in the WWF
area anyway. The singles belt was newly made(least that's what you remeber and 
I don't know), but the tag belts still said "NWA" on the top.

>What happened there?  If Moolah did own the title, did she sell out
>to McMahon and forfeit control?

It seems like Moolah owned the titles because NWA board didn't say anything
when Vince Jr. started using them as WWF titles.  Then again, didn't Rockin'
Robin defend her title in some non-WWF promotions?


-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: mb20@prism.gatech.EDU (BRANCH,MICHAEL B)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   01/07
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:52:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <C0Htro.IEr@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>
>   With Steamboat's grip 
>   on the tag titles being fairly firm, it looks like Dustin is going 
>   to get his first major singles title.  There's talk that Rick Rude
>   may in fact be on his way out.
>
>   Watts.  Arn & Erik will get into a street fight, with some bystander
>   fortunately videotaping the whole thing.  I guess this will all lead
>   to Erik asking that Arn gets brought back to WCW so that he can teach
>   him a lesson in the ring.  Good to see that Arn is going to be used
>   so effectively.
>
       God...
       Here are two classics...
       Is it any surprise that WCW is such a dismal mess?

       I just pray that Watts makes trouble for Flair and thus get's
       his own ass fired by the higher ups; and that they toss that idiot 
       Dusty out with him; and whoever else is responsible for this
       pathetic sham that's been posing as booking for the last several
       months.

       (And, as a sad aside on the major organizations, as crappy
        as WCW has been, I still find it leagues above the WWF.         
        Oh well, there's always Blackjack Mulligan's federation
        down at Disney World...)
-- 
BRANCH, MICHAEL 
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: naults@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Flair WCW 2/15/93
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:45:57 GMT

Boston Herald for Sunday 1/10/93-Wrestling Column stated
that Ric Flair's last day with WWF will be February 10th and that
he's slated to begin working for Watts/WCW Feb. 15th.

			SMN
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Autographs
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 11:08:16 EST

In article <1i9uakINNpsb@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
 
>Has anyone else gotten an
>autograph from Slick Ric? It's possible I just caught him on a bad day,
>and ordinarily he would have signed.
 
I don't have any personal experience with Flair (or any other
wrestlers, in fact).  But I've heard that he can be very gracious.
The old "Wrestling Forum" used to have a column where fans would
write in about their experiences with wrestlers and I recall some
kind words about Flair from that.  As well, my youngest brother
once told me a story about someone he knew who had a condo at
some South Carolina resort where Flair also had a condo.  These
folks came down once and found they couldn't use their condo
for some reason, ran into Flair who was headed out for a day of
fishing, and he offered to let them use his place for the day.
Unfortunately, I didn't get all the details of that story when
I had the chance. . . .
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: realism?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:51:43 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

>This does raise one issue that I've often thought about, where I do agree
>with you, however.  Take Jushin Liger, for example.  The guy can't possibly
>weigh much more than 200 pounds soaked in oil.  Put him up against Big Van
>Vader, a guy twice his size and at least in the same neighborhood in skill.
>I don't care how much flying Liger is capable of, if that match is booked
>realistically, it's going to last about as long as it takes Vader to get a
>good handhold on him.  Then they load him on a stretcher with a spatula.
>This sort of blunts my enthusiasm for Liger, not surprisingly, and as a
>result I dissent from this group's near-worship of him as a wrestler.

There was a 6 man tag match on last years WCW Supershow pay-per-view.
On opposing teams were Liger and Super Strong Machine. SSM is not as
big as Vader but I'd put him at around 300lbs in wrestling weight.
Still it looked realistic when Liger went on the offensive against him.
It all depends on the wrestlers in question. When I saw Liger wrestle
Jimmy Garvin on the Power Hour, Garvin was such an oaf that the match
was awful even though he's not much of a heavyweight himself. Same thing
happened when the Freebirds wrestled the Silver Kings at COC 19. 

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Subject: Re: Chrispy House Show Review - WWF, Austin, TX  1/6/92
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru')
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:34:39 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <16B518D32.OP2@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>, chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
> In article <14907@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
> (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru') writes:
>>> Then Tatanka comes out, a slightly larger pop than Virgil.  My brother
>    goes nuts, as he had bought a Tatanka foam tomahawk.  ($5)
>  
>> He must have looked stupid...
>  
> Granted, I can't back my brother on this one.  I found out he had bought the
> tomahawk for my little sister, who stared at it wondering who Tatanka was.
> Being Hispanic with some Indian blood in us, I guess he decided to act
> really stupid during this match.  Luckily, he didn't do the Tomahawk chop.

See... I KNEW there was a reason I don't attend WWF house shows... I don't have
a little sister to buy Tatanka tomahawks for... wait a minute... yes, I DO...
DAMN!  When's the next time they come to Dayton or Cincinnati?

(insert smiles as needed)

>>> Meanwhile, my brother is acting really silly.  Various yells included
>    "Do it for your people Tatanka!", "Tatanka, you're my IDOL!", and
>    "Go Buffalo!"  He then realized how hard it was to try to chant Tatanka's
>    name.
>  
>> Go Buffalo?  Huh?  What'd I miss?  When did Jim Kelly start wrestling?
>  
> Hmmmm, ever heard of "Dances With Wolves"?  Tatanka was the Indian word for
> "buffalo".  Don't tell me my brother is more cultured than you...

Actually, I've never seen "DWW".  Can't really control my caffeine addiction
long enough to sit down and watch it.  Plus, I'm not that big on Kevin Costner. 
I don't think it's a question of culture, I think it's more a question of who
I'd rather have seen that night at the movies, Kevin Costner or Mike McGuirk
Does Dallas.

(insert MORE smilies as needed)

> Calling up Mike McGuirk even as I speak...

Mike and Chrispy, sittin' in a tree... aw, nevermind.

> "I got your sharpshooter RIGHT HERE...."

I LOVE this quote.  I wish I'd thought of it.  The most ingenious thing I've
ever thought of was saying to the Freebirds, "Hey, I've got your damn Free Bird
right here, pallie."  And then extending my middle finger.  You had to be
there.

TCG, pb.  Not a big Kevin Costner fan.
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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Re: Wrestling drinking game
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:23:04 GMT

addition to JIM ROSS: any time he says "Decimated"  when some face is 
undergoing a squash job

                      any time he pronounces "school" as "skule" (to rhyme with
mule)
From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: GLOW QUESTION (RE: THE MOST GORGEOUS WOMAN....
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:18:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Nick Simicich writes:
Hmmm....I heard that several of the folks in the Misty Blue including
Misty show made a porn movie called something on the order of 'Back
Alley Brawlers.  Never saw a copy though.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

The one porno movie featuring Misty Blue and Co. that's the best
known and most readily available is called "Alley Cat," produced
in 1987 or thereabouts.  Supposedly, they did two other porno
movies (and possibly even more), and also supposedly Missy Hyatt,
Toni Adams and possibly some others starred in porno movies prior
to their entry into wrestling.  Jeff Gaylord appeared in a "soft
porn" movie a few years back.

Notes: Most of the above information comes from back issues of
Tape Update and Rasslin' Riot, which talked about porn almost as
much as they did about wrestling.  If anyone cares to have more
information on this subject, I'll go back through my back issues
and post relevant excerpts.  Also, interested parties may wish to
consider asking a few questions on alt.sex.movies;  knowledgeable
people may be lurking about.
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From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:29:39 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

>From PWI Weekly:

>Earthquake has moved to West Coast Championship Wrestling, and will
>appear at the Jan. 30 card against Buddy Rose in Cloverdale, BC.

>Michael

I wonder if WCCW if this match will follow SUMO or Belly Bouncing
Rules? -)

Mark

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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Sax in Theme Muzak (WAS Re: [WCW] 2 Cold Clash)
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:56:57 GMT

In article <mjenkins.726793903@cunews>, "Michael" writes:
 >In <C0pI09.EHB@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb 
 >Kunze):
 >>  I think that Scorpio's ring music is great.  I don't like the
 >>  dancing particularly, but the music is good.  I hate all of 
 >>  Michael Hayes' revised theme songs for the different wrestlers.

 >I concur. Being a sax player myself, I was blown over by his ring
 >music. 2 Cool!

Then you'd be completely blown away by the music Hiroshi Hase uses
in New Japan.  At least I think he still uses it...it sounds like
Branford Marsalis or something--not "intense" or "aggressive" or "themey"
like you'd expect a rassler to come to the ring to.  Something you could
drink coffee to while contemplating your navel.

And the best part (aside from the wrestling itself) is that Hase 
doesn't go into a stupid Steppenfetchit dance routine!      ;-)

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Bloodthirsty Thugs
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:07:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Summary: Weekly World News Strikes Again!

From the latest Weekly World News comes this headline:

"TV wrestlers are turning our kids into bloodthirsty thugs!"

The article goes on to note "Professional wrestlers are setting a bad
example for our kids, glamorizing violence and showing that cheating and
dirty tricks are the easiest paths to victory."

According to Dr. Thomas McGinnis, "In addition to the violence displayed,
pro wrestlers are using illegal tactics -- choking, gouging eyes, using
chairs, ropes, even chains against their ring opponents.  These tactics
are used to help them win."

I think perhaps we've been talking about the wrong thing lately.  Rather
than making r.s.p-w into a Markland, we should be keeping out
impressionable young fans.  Look what we might be responsible for!

Steven whose 17-year-old son became a bloodthirsty thug watching the Four
Horsemen
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