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From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Re: talk about inspiration...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:17:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul31.135240.17452@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> ccullen@ops-2.Naitc.Com (Carolyn Cullen) writes:
>While I was at lunch yesterday, I saw the coolest moto sight cruise by--
>a red Honda with a side car specially made so the rider's wheel chair
>fit in it, and had its own handlebars and controls. Nobody on the bike,
>just the older gentleman controlling it via the side-car. Saw him again
>this morning on the highway.  Now that's sure going to whatever lengths
>necessary not to give up riding. Thought it was pretty cool. 

We have at least two of these fellows here in the bay area.  I have
great respect for them.  I hope that if I ever wind up in a chair, I'll
have the fortitude to do something like that.  One thought though...  I
saw one parked head-in using a handicapped parking space.  How the heck
is he going to get out?
					-edg
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From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Rant, etc
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu's message of Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:36:51 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.133651.12008@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:

> he still owns it. Small bikes do fine, you just gotta take your time,
> and if you like the back roads and the state routes, an argument can be
> made that a 350cc-size bike is actually optimal.

So make it.
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:32:00 GMT

In article <5265@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>wsh8z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (William Scott Heyman) writes:
>: Has anyone ever been stung by a bee or other stinging bug while riding?
>: I've been stung twice while riding and bot at >55mph. I didn't think
>: bees were smart enough to aim at an object going that fast.

>   You obviously missed my post last Fall about the bee-in-the-crotch 
>encounter I had.  Painful.
>obmoto: I didn't lock up my brakes then either Cliff :-).

you slander me, bill: i only locked *one*.

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From: kcchu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Beach Bum)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Keywords: Sidestand switch
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:47:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

From mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato) Tue Jul 28 15:23:41 1992
From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)


In article <mtrost.712343614@convex.convex.com>, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
Z|>  
Z|> What? I never heard of a "sidestand switch"? What logical purpose could
Z|> this serve, anyway? Do you have "wheel is ajar" lights too?
Z|> 
Z|> I would de-activate them asap!
Z\
Z\My 83 Suzuki 1100 has a side stand switch. It is hooked up to a warning light
Z\on the instrument pod, warning you if it is down - not that I find it very
Z\useful. For newbies it will probably save some embarassment.
Z\It is not interlocked to the ignition circuit. Why should it be? On cold
Z\mornings I always start my bike before getting on to let it warm up.

It only kills the ignition if the bike is put into gear and the clutch
is let out

Keith
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:00:24 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Please wear a helmet

>________________________________________________________________________
>Imagine this post to be from your mother, your father, your spouse, your
>child, a sibling, or just a good friend.
> 
>Please wear your helmet for our sakes, if not for your own.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>While I agree with the economic arguments for helmet wearing laws
>and of course, agree with the safety reasons for wearing one, I 
>have not seen many argue for the other people who are potentially
>affected by a biker's 'personal' choice.  It seems like
>a powerful reason to me to wear my protection.  (Feel free to 
>read a double (or more) meaning into that last sentence.)
> 
>If you have nobody who cares about you (including yourself), then maybe
>riding without a helmet is a good idea.
> 
> 
>Wayne Betts ('80 Yamaha Enduro, but wanting more)
> 
>What is that burning smell?  Could it be flames?

Why in the world would there be flames?  You aren't saying, "You MUST
wear a helmet."  You aren't even saying, "Wear a helmet, asshole." 
You're making the argument that when one's actions affect others one
should take others into account.  Seems like unassailable logic to me.

-peter

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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cages suck (women cagers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:08:27 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 20JUL199216324685@zeus.tamu.edu, efw5565@zeus.tamu.edu (EVIE) writes:
>
>But I'm also much more aware of road 
>conditions, following distances, blind spots.  It's a *good* thing,
>a bonus, that I might actually become a better driver by learning how 
>to ride.

I think this is almost universal.  One reason I am so uncomfortable as
a passenger in a cage is that I am *constantly* registering something
like, "That truck ahead and behind that bush might pull out in front of
us."  I watch his wheels (habit, I do this even as a passenger in a
cage!), and sure enough, he starts pulling out... About 2 *seconds*
later, I will feel the driver hit the brakes, sometimes violently.

This happens when I ride with my parents, wife, colleagues,
*everybody*.

Conversely, when I'm driving, I will notice potential threats, begin to
smoothly merge to avoid them, then 2 seconds later, Mom straight-arms
the dashboard and yells, "Look out for that car!"  I start looking for
some new car, and realize she just now saw the one I'm already dealing
with!

Hmm, does this make me a "better than average" driver?   :^)

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Help identifying farm bike
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:09:17 GMT

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.204610.18301@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>> leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:

>> Of course, you G/S and P-D types realize that if you don't show up for
>> the next Moab trip, you will be taunted without mercy.

>i'll bring the gs, but i wanna borrow your dr for pritchett canyon,
>blaine :-)  as my gramma used to say, i may have been born in the
>morning, but it wasn't yesterday morning!

Laurie, you're on. I'd almost pay money to watch you ride my DR, it is a
wee bit taller than the (shorter than) average BMW, you know. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Gear
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.132434.12496@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.044818.27416@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.203858.16523@isc-br.isc-br.com> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>|
>>|Third gear.  On a proper motor (90-degree pushrod V-twin), this is
>>|                                ^^^^^^^^^
>>|Around town on a Hog, you practically
>>|                 ^^^
>>
>>So what you're saying, then, Carl, is that a Harley Hog doesn't
>>have a "proper motor"?  Like maybe it needs a CX500 motor?  Or
>>a Guzzi?
>>
>or Ducati?
>
>Chas
>

The sig says it all
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: winter bike storage tips
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:45:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) writes:
: In article <seQr9Wi00VAt0wF1pP@andrew.cmu.edu> ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
: >Howdy,
: >
: >Guess it's time for the annual "bike storage" thread.
: 
: Um, correct me if I'm wrong here, but did I miss a few months or is it still 
: July?

   I just checked out the classified section of the newspaper this morning and
there were about 10 Harleys for sale, and a bunch of Hondas as well.  A lot of
the HDs were low milage late models too.  Must be that Fall nip in the air. . . 
:-)

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:23:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.000429.13524@sequent.com> dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
>If you like the Post Office,
>You'll love socialized medicine

Well, let's see.  Do you mean the US Post Offices near me?

* They're courteous

* The wait in line on a bad day is still better than the typical wait in
  a hospital ER (in my experience)

* They make house calls (wow!)


Now let's get this topic back to motorcycles!  One of my big fears is
that one day I will have an accident (e.g. get smashed by a cager) and
despite wearing protective gear, get injured so badly (e.g. a head
injury) that I need years of recovery and therapy before I can do
useful work again.  I used to have health and disability insurance
from my company that would probably have covered this reasonably well,
but since I've gone back to school, there appears to be NO such
insurance that I can buy within reason.  (Oh, I have insurance, all
right, but it costs much more and isn't nearly as good.)

My old insurance was an HMO (health maintenance organization) which
gave great care.  If I could still buy into such a plan I would gladly
do so, even if it were run by the government.  It would take some of
the unnecessary anxiety out of motorcycling, to be replaced by a more
normal fear of pain and death.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Braking Secrets of the Pros Revealed
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:56:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.022128.14352@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
>MSF teaches that you get maximum braking _without_ locking either wheel,
>because the coefficient of sliding friction (tire against slab) is much
>lower than the coefficient of sliding friction for brake pad against rotor.
>
>Truth . . . or dare?

Dare.  There is no point in comparing the coefficient of sliding
friction of the brake pads vs. that of the tires--a low coefficient
for the brakes can be compensated by increasing the force applied to
the pads, but you can't increase the force applied to the tires without
a corresponding increase in the mass of the bike.

It is the coefficient of STATIC friction of the tire against the road that
is greater than the coefficient of sliding friction of those materials.

In fact, referring to the CRC handbook, the coefficients of friction are:

brake material on cast iron, static, 0.4 (clean) or 0.2 (wet)
(the sliding coefficient will be LESS than these)

natural rubber, vulcanized, on concrete, sliding at 100m/min (all right,
that's only 3.7 mph, but sliding anyway) 1.02 (clean) or 0.97 (wet)
(and the static coefficient would be GREATER)

According to my computer, 1.02 is a lot bigger than 0.4.  So given equal
normal force, your brakes are far underperforming the tires.  Of course, 
a little mechanical advantage in the brake system can fix this.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RCR
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:33:54 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 29173@ttinews.tti.com, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>In article <4610@balrog.ctron.com> tavares@ctron.com writes:
>+Well, i'm back at work after the RCR. I thought I would pass on some random thoughts
>+that occurred to me during the trip and at the campsite.
>+
>+
>+1. Ed and Sandy GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*99. The food
>+was great and beer was better (Although i had a little too much .-) )
>
>Of course.  They were trained at the Joust!

Hardly!  We used the Joust as a practice session.

We got it RIGHT on the RIGHT Coast Ride!

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Date: 24 Jul 1992 15:28:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 27949@morrow.stanford.edu, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>In article <14mf9gINNo9d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 18546@drutx.ATT.COM, brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
>>>	If I were to design society,
>>
>>Which is why I thand God every day that I live in a society NOT
>>designed by demigods who have the audacity to think they know what is
>>best for everybody else.
>
>Ed seems to know that Harley enthusiasts are better off
>without a special-interest newsgroup.  

I "know" no such thing, and I never claimed to.  I've never attempted
to coerce Harley enthusiasts or anybody else, and I defy you to show me
where I have.  I, just like everybody else on USENET, am free to
participate in a *democratic* process known as VOTING.  Real
demigodgery there, for sure, dude.

>I'm sure Ed has called himself much worse things than
>"demigod".

If I ever do, yes, I will have.

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Ridership doubles on ride to work day
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:53:40 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

There were more bikes in the parking lot this morning (23 July) than there
were shortly before noon yesterday.

Chas
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cop Flashlights
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:08:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6284
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Jul24.192034.11080@col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes:
>> >Probably because cops have a history of abusing gay people, whenever
>> >I see one of these flashlights I immediately envision somebody's
>> >skull getting bashed open with it.  The flashlight function never
>> >even crosses my mind.  Does anybody else have this reaction?
>
>----------
>
>Watch how a cop holds his flashlight next time.  He holds it at 
>shoulder level, from underneath, near the head.  That makes it an 
>instant weapon if necessary.
>
>What you 'envision' is correct.  It's standard training.


I actually saw a cop use his flashlight as a flashlight once.

I was running down to the Bay Area for the most recent 4th of July on I-5
in the middle of the night.  Don't ask, I needed to make time.  It turns out
that the cop to 'normal' folks ratio in Medford, OR at 1:30a.m. is pretty
darn close to 1:1.  After seeing 3-4 troopers on entrance ramps in less than
a mile, I realized that it might be a good idea to pay attention to the 
posted limit. 

So here I am, cruising through at 50mph (in a 55) when I see a trooper on the 
shoulder ahead with a stopped car.  I drift to the left lane to give them
clearance and the trooper starts walking out into the slow lane with his
flashlight beaming directly through my faceshield into my skull.  He didn't
motion to me so I guess he was just checking to see if there was actually
a human head inside my helmet.  I knew better than to flip the (insert your
favorite euphemism here) off but I was certainly muttering for the
next 50 miles or so.

Side note: I didn't see another cop for nearly 300 miles.


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|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  WMTC #0002  SF3.67 |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon -------+ "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |
|'86 VF500F - Anti-Christ              |                                      |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Nicest Interstate
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Jul23.195051.15866@isc-br.isc-br.com>, carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:

|> OK, where's the _nicest_ chunk of Interstate highway in the whole US of A?
|> Must be a stretch at least 50 miles long.

Yea, OK.  Well, it depends.  Here are my choices:

I-80 between Lincoln and York, Nebraska.

	- Absolutly flat straight road without those annoying twisties
	- No distractions of any kind in the countryside
	- Lots of truck traffic to keep one company on the ride
	- Strong, predictible headwind when travelling east-to-west
	- Strong, predictible tailwind when travelling west-to-east
	- No worry about large bodies of water anywhere near
	- No forests to make irksome strips of shade across the road
	- Tall stands of corn on both sides that make the highway look 
	  like it's paneled

I-90 between Spokane, Washington and Kellogg, Idaho, including Cour d'Alene,
Idaho and the Cour d'Alene National Forest.

	- Exactly the opposite of the Lincoln-York route in every respect

Hey, It depends what you define "best" to mean, right?

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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:36:18 GMT

Actually a sticker that just says "AHOLE DRIVING" would
be suficient warning, if enough of them are identified you 
would at least know they are in back of you when ya passed.
You would also be warned when you were coming up on them.
Something in Day glow orange say.
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Cop Flashlights
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:59:58 GMT

rja@hastur.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen) writes:

>    Hmmm.  It seems to me that when the flashlight is crushing
>    ones skull that it is "crossing [ones] mind"...

Phew! I though I was the only one around here telling bad/old jokes.

So what's the last thing to go through a bug's mind when he hits your
faceshield?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200