HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: umunk (private)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 11:31:14 +0100

bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani) writes:
: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
[...]
: I will be *VERY* happy with 4.0, when I wil be able to get the same
: environment at home as at work: C-News, NN, Elm!

Elm and NN are ported to 4.0, just runs fine. I'm thinking about porting
the latest C-News (Performance Release from May 2, 1992) to 4.0.
Is someone else working on this?

: In my office I'm starting to use TRN to read the Sterling Software Net-News
: CD-Roms.  It has a feature missing in Tass (if I havent made a fumble RTFMing):
: exploding threads to see a menu of authors.

I've requested TRN 2.0 and it comes with patches to 2.1 and 2.2.
Unfortunately the patches can't be installed with the patch program,
it needs a special program for the patches. Because I'm running
tin and nn now, I stopped working at it. Is TRN worth the trouble
to search for the special patch program? Anyone familar with trn, tin
and nn to compare this readers and give some informations?

: My favorite news-reader is always NN.  It's ability to mark interesting
: articles and reading them only is a big feature (for me).
: 
: Anyone has some experience with TIN?

I'm running tin 1.1 PL11 for two weeks now. What are your questions?

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From: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: 4.0 Installation Question
Summary: Can you prevent overwrites with 4.0?
Keywords: coherent 4.0 install
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:23:20 GMT
Organization: NASA/MSFC

I anticipate the arrival of Coherent 4.0 soon (hopefully :), but I have 
spent considerable time and skull sweat getting things adjusted the way
I want them under 3.2.1a.

Does Coherent 4.0 have some sort of installation procedure that will refrain
from wholesale slaughter of my existing software configuration, (particularly
since I can't backup to tape)?

Thanks
Keith

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Info about coherent 4.0
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:21:18 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
> >
> > 4.0 comes with a System V compatible cron.
>
> By this, do you mean that there will be separate crontab files
> for each cron user? And that the uid of the process will be set
> to match the name of the crontab? I.e. /usr/spool/crontabs/root entries
> will be run as root and /usr/spool/crontabs/bill entries will be run
> as bill?? (Hope so!)

That is exactly it.
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From: daffy@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Comments on Coh in teaching env. ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:00:21 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Australia.

Howdy,

I have just purchased Coh (got it this morning in fact!) for a company that
want me to teach introductory Unix to about 8-9 people.  The company has
limited budget and so Coh seemed the best thing to use.

The system I have to use is as follows:

386-25 CPU with 4Meg RAM.
2 x PC_COM 4 port dumb serial cards (which I have been told are supported by
	both Coh and SCO)

The only negative comment I have heard about this setup so far is that there
might be lags due to the fact that in a teaching situation, there are 9
users all doing the same thing at once.

Has anyone done the same thing as I am doing, and does anyone have any comments
about what I could do to smooth things out if it occurs?  I haven't even broken
the sealed pack of disks yet, but I do know Unix fairly well, so please bear
with my ignorance of Coh itself.

Thanks,
Daf.
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From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MWC distribution
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:45:53 GMT
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS

haug@zesi.do.open.de (Haug Buerger) writes:
> Using credit cards for me is unsave. As far as i know, the 
> company who has my creditcard number can get as mutch money
> as it wants until my limit is reached. If they have my money

I often order in the  USA (modems, Coherent :-)  ) and never had
problems with charging my credit cards.
When a company will charge more than it should it will get lot of problems
with the credit card company and may risk to loose their reputation.
So that's not a real problem.
In the USA you pay nearly all things with credit card. If someone overthere
has no credit card then he has no credit :-( and that's very suspicious.

> The price from the eMedia is not so bad. The update costs $60+$35 
> *1.6=152DM from MWC and 169DM+6DM=175DM from eMedia. I called
> eMedia and they told me that there is an update information if
> MWC ships Coherent 4.0. The support is not so bad, eMedia has
> made a short german installationguide (20p) for the 3.2 version.
> I have not tested the telephone support.

Am not absolutely sure that eMedia is the official distributor. There are lot
of other distributors. So I think it's really ok that MWC sends letters to
their customers.
Their phone support is not bad and a real nice guy is doing it 2 afternoons
a week.
But 2 afternoons are not enough.
I myself get about 20 calls a weeks from people who have problems with Coherent
and no one is at eMedia but they've found my address/phone in their Coherent
package.

Cheers,

Joachim

PS: Email an dich bounced immer. Man moege mir deshalb verzeihen, dass ich
augenscheinlich nicht auf deine Mails antworte.
From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Install question
Date: 17 Jul 92 21:02:24 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
> Yes, Coherent may be installed on a partition of D:, and then there is no
> need to repartition C.

Interesting.  How the masterboot deal with?
I remember (maybe wrong) that at least the root partition of Coherent must
be on the first drive (C: in Ms-Dos dialect).

Bye, Lanfranco

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: fanelli@gagme (michael fanelli)
Subject: Version 4.0 Arrived
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:51:29 GMT

Coherent 4.0 ordered July 21, arrived today July 28. Now I have to wait
for the PC to arrive...

		michael fanelli
		72040.2460@compuserve.com
From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Max AT7120 IDE Drive
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:42:48 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes:
: CAn anyone tell me if the Maxtor AT7120 IDe drive will run under Coherent?
: 
: 
: Thanks
: Bret
: 

Coherent should have no problems with any IDE drive

Ecki
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From: chaos.cs.umn.edu!bill@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions on terminal/modem/graphics/tape drivers
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In <1992Jul18.005838.10286@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> schwaigr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu 
(Jim Schwaiger) writes:

>I have been very impressed with the reports of both Coherent
>3.2 and the highly anticipated 4.0.  I have a few questions
>for those familiar with this product.
> 
>1) How many "terminals" can run on a Coherent system (please
>   split this into "pseudo" terminals on the console and
>   remote terminals run over serial line/modem).
sorry never tried to load the machine to find out.
 
>2) Which non-text (graphics) device drivers are available?
>   Can more than one pseudo terminal run on such a driver?
the ones you wrote.
 
>3) Which tape drives are supported by Coherent?  In particular,
>   I have a Sytos (1/4") and a Colorado (QIC-40) drive.  Are
>   Coherent files "compatible" with DOS files, to the degree
>   that the Coherent partition can be backed up using DOS
>   utilities?
if someone found a way to backup coh partitions with dos i'd sure like to
know. no there is no qic-40 support, tho it has been disscussed (by users
not necissarly by mwc). now i suppose you could write a dd for dos that 
would put its output on a qic-40 tape. but then if you went to that much
trouble you could have written a qic-40 coh driver :-)
bill pociengel
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From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Help!  Keyboard problems!
Date: 17 Jul 92 21:27:02 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

morley@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
: Help!!!
: 
: This Saturday I need to teach a short (1-2 hours) "Intro to UNIX" course
: to employees of a small company.  I thought it'd be nice to bring along
: a machine so I could actually give them some of "hands on".  So, I grabbed
: an old 286 I had kicking around, dug out my COHERENT 3.2.0 disks and
: manual, and installed it.  The installation went fine, but the keyboard
: mapping iw really warped.  What is supposed to be the ALT key works like
: the CONTROL key, ESCAPE works like NUMLOCK, the '\' key won't work at
: all, etc, etc, etc...  What gives?  I've tried it with two different
: keyboards (both AT 101's).  The BIOS is AMI...  I assume I need to set up
: a different keyboard driver (it's been a while since I've used COH)  I
: definately chose the US AT-101 driver (first one on the list) at installation
: time...
: 
: Any assistance or pointers would be greatly appreciated!
: 
: MARK
: morley@camins.camosun.bc.ca
: 

Hi,

contact MWC to send You the disk 3.2.0.15. You have to reinstall Coherent
using this disk as bootdisk. Or ask them to send You a set of 3.2.1 disks,
and choose 'YOUR_KEYBOARD_LAYOUT (not loadable)' from the keyboard selection
menu.

Cheers, Ecki
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: charless@sco.COM (charles stross)
Subject: Virtual terminals under 3.2.2?
Organization: Myself
Distribution: comp.os.coherent
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:20:46 GMT
Keywords: ptty, virtterm, coherent


I'm hunting for a virtual terminal driver for Coherent 3.2.

I've found the virtterm driver diffs on raven.alaska.edu, but I
don't have the device driver kit and I can't find any sign of
a compiled version of the driver. Has anyone got a compiled
virtual terminal driver for Coherent 3.2 that they can distribute
without worries over license fees? I find that multiple console
logins are essential in order to get any meaningful work done ...

(While I'm waffling about drivers, I've been trying -- without 
success -- to load the UK keyboard driver on my PC6220
notebook. Coherent thinks it's running on a conventional US
keyboard, and Install doesn't stop to ask. All my attempts
-- so far -- to change the keyboard definition have failed. Anyone
out there know how to get this working?)




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From: karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de (Karl Sarnow)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Problems with 4.0
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:14:02 MEZ
Organization: Karls Emergency Mailbox

I just started 4.0 and had some problems, which you might have solved.

1) uucico does no longer disable an enabled modem port (/dev/com1r) when it
begins to poll another site.

2) Due to a wrong installation, uucico did not proceed and the modem hang up.
From that moment, the screen became black. The only chance was to reboot.

3) Soft reboot does not seem to work anymore. After a modem hangup, I could
not get the modem to work until a cold reset.

Any help is welcome.

Karl

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From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:16:45 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.coherent
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

ericb@sierra.com (Eric Blood "intern") writes:
> I have been searching for a Unix system to study and understand, but
> there is a limitaion.  My hardware doesn't support what I want to do.
> There is 386BSD, Minix, Lunix, and the others that cost more then
> I can handle.  Is Coherent able to run on an XT (8086)?  If I am
> not mistaken, 4.0 needs an AT, but is that the same for the older
> versions?  If not, how can I obtain an older version?  Thanks in
> advance.

MWC has once the first release(s) of Coherent running on XT class computers.
Ask them if they has a spare copy...

Minix was made on a 8088 cpu.


Bye, Lanfranco

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: 4.0 Installation Question
Keywords: coherent 4.0 install
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.202320.26128@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
>I anticipate the arrival of Coherent 4.0 soon (hopefully :), but I have 
>spent considerable time and skull sweat getting things adjusted the way
>I want them under 3.2.1a.
>
>Does Coherent 4.0 have some sort of installation procedure that will refrain
>from wholesale slaughter of my existing software configuration, (particularly
>since I can't backup to tape)?

I wrote to MWC yesterday about receiving my upgrade (since someone had gotten
theirs a few days ago, and I've been waiting as long as anybody else), and
they said that the updates are being delayed to write a script to allow you to
save and update your files in the installation process.  The update is sup-
posed to start shipping ~next wednesday.

Ken Friberg
From: s891961@MINYOS.XX.RMIT.OZ.AU (Peter David Cupit)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

In comp.os.coherent you write:


>To make a long story short, this is just for a routine that waits for a key pre
>ss then sends this key to a case select where routines are chosen according to
>input.  But I find it a real pain to have to press ENTER after the key to make
>it accepted.

>If you're able to help I would really appreciate it.


   I think you have to an ioctl on the tty device to make it raw mode.
   (This is from memory).


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>Michael <<BONES>> Longval
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: A.T.W.W.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:09:19 GMT
Reply-To: mfaurot@phzzzt.UUCP (Michael Faurot)

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> It appears I've caused some distress with a comment I made on news.groups.
> Just to avoid further flames, let me repeat it emphasising one particular
> phrase that seems to have been underemphasised in the original:
> 
> >>Actually, I was going to suggest pulling comp.os.{minix,linux,coherent} into
> >>the comp.unix world, IF THAT'S OK WITH THE READERSHIP OF THOSE GROUPS. That'
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>because Unix isn't an operating system: it's a family of operating systems
> >>with a common core API... and as far as I'm concerned MINIX, LINUX, and
> >>Coherent *are* Unix.
> 
> Of course I wouldn't take any such proposal to the RFD stage without asking
> the people involved first. That means discussion in comp.os.linux, .minix,
> and .coherent.

Not trying to flame here, but using that old time worn phrase, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."  In other words, I like things just the way they are
now, and don't feel there's any need to reorganize (IMHO).
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From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Subject: GERMANY/EUROPE: TAYLOR-UUCP also at ECSBBS
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 18:35:44 GMT


The version of TAYLOR-UUCP 1.03 which is offered at MWCBBS is now also
available here in Germany.
There is now a new group for downloading:  down386  which will contain
files for Coherent 4.0

Nevertheless is this beast, although in zipped format (zipped at MWC !),
about 850 K. So I recommend to poll it only if one has a high speed modem
(V32bis with error control).
Usual transfer rates from ECSBBS with V32bis and YMODEM are about 1200 cps
to 1300 cps (depending on your modem). ZMODEM is too slow.
ecsbbs now also runs the kermit5a which allows rates of > 1000 cps for V32bis.

THE GUEST/GAST-LOGIN ALSO ALLOWS DOWNLOADING (PD ONLY !!). SO NO REASON TO
LOGIN with a silly fantasy name !!!!!!

On request I will also offer only the pure binaries ("my" version, own
port, is 120 k for uucico and 65k for uuxqt) without any warranty ;-))

Transfer rates with Coherent 4.0 and Taylor are:

V32bis   no error control:

ecsbbs - apux (MAC, AUX 3.0), both Taylor, 3 WIN, 512 BYTE-BLOCKS: 1220 cps
ecsbbs - tallawe (Coherent 3.2.1)          5 Win, 64 byte-blocks:   720 cps


V32bis   with error control:

ecsbbs - jrix (Interactive 2.2),  7 Windows, 64 byte blocks:  1070 cps

ecsbbs - kmk , both Coherent UUCICO's, 3 Win, 64 byte blocks:  360 cps


So TAYLOR UUCP will give you a high transfer rate and has a very reliable
handshaking.

Cheers,

Joachim

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: l lc lf lr ls lx confusion
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: umunk (private)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:04:02 +0100

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
: 
: Going through the Coherent flyer, I noticed the following commands
: listed:
: 
: l	-	list dirs in a long format
: lc	-	list dirs in a columnar format
: lf	-	list dirs in a columnar format
: lr	-	list subdirs in a columnar format
: ls	-	list dirs contents
: lx	-	list dirs in a columnar format
: 
: What in the world is this stuff?  Are these just aliased switches to ls?
: There is a real ls with all the switches in there, right?
: If these are just aliases, I don't find it too bright to list them in
: "Coherent 386 Command Summary".

This are links to ls. Type ls -lai /bin/ls /bin/l /bin/lc ..... and
you'll see it.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Install question
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: umunk (private)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 11:39:47 +0100

bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani) writes:
: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: > Yes, Coherent may be installed on a partition of D:, and then there is no
: > need to repartition C.
: 
: Interesting.  How the masterboot deal with?
: I remember (maybe wrong) that at least the root partition of Coherent must
: be on the first drive (C: in Ms-Dos dialect).

The Coherent masterboot allows you to select to boot from 8 partitions,
4 from drive C: and 4 from drive D:. The Coherent documentation doesn't
say anything, that the root partition must reside on drive C:. The
installation procedure offers you partitions from drive D:, if available,
to install Coherent. Coherent is the only OS, which I know, what may
be booted from a partition from drive D:! Very well done by MWC!
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