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 Your best bet for buying "classic" cars is in California or maybe the
 south.  The prices may seem higher, but the cars are more solid (no rust).
 What type of cars are you looking for?  Muscle cars?  What price range
 and what vintage?  

 You can buy them from owners through used car publications like "Auto Trader"
 or you can visit some of the specialty dealers that carry classic cars.

 Maurice

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
    <pedersen-090992144946@128.157.59.61> <3000@voodoo.UUCP> 
    <1992Sep10.150200.14435@berlioz.nsc.com> <134@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:07:21 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

>>|> So does anyone have a list of cars which do not have automatic seat belts?

>>My 1990 F350
>>My 1988 Wrangler
> Toyota Supra
> Toyota Camry
> Ford Mustang
> New Mazda RX-7
My '87 Suzuki GS450

Hey, if trucks can be on the list, so can motorcycles...
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sun@bcars6a2.bnrottawa (Frank Kannemann)
Subject:  GM Quality? GM Support for defective cars? Lumina Problems?
Keywords: gm,lack,quality,support
Reply-To: frankk@Canada.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:15:02 GMT

Hi,

I am the not so proud owner of a 1990 Chev Lumina.

I believe that I happen to have a lemon. I am currently negotiating with GM
to have the vehicle completely replaced (:-( fat chance)..

All of my problems have been QUALITY related.

I have several questions for the net:

1) If you have had quality related problems with GM products have they been resolved
to your satisifaction?

2) Are there any other disgruntled Lumina owners out there?

3) Anyone have effective strategies for dealing with GM?

4) Can I email someone at GM? (yes, my dealer and the 1-800 number are involved already)

TIA

Frank

P.S. I have a 14 page postscript document discribing the problems I have had. The document is 242Kb long. If anyone wants a copy drop me an email at: frankk@Canada.sun.com.

P.S. 2 The summary of the problems are: spent $4600 on maintenance in 2.5 years, visited the dealer more then 25 times. Identified 17 defects and had 11 unique (some replaced several times) parts replaced excluding regular maintenance parts (such as pads and tires).

---
Frank Kannemann            Sun Microsystems of Canada  Ph: (613) 723-8112
                           955 Green Valley Cres
                           Ottawa, Ontario Canada
frankk@Canada.sun.com      #include <disclaimer.h>

This posting represents neither Sun Microsystems or BNR. 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lrr@Princeton.EDU (Lawrence R. Rogers)
Subject: Looking for a recommendation on bug and tar removers
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:41:42 GMT

Hello:

Hope this is the correct group.  I am looking for a recommendation on bug and tar
removers, primarily bug removers.  Thanks.


 =====   ======= =======	Larry Rogers
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mellum@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: Re: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:17:57 GMT

In article <2400042@hpsad.sad.hp.com>, ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund) writes:
> ...sounds bogus to me.  The turbo is there to increase the pressure at the 
> intake.  Intercoolers are used to reduce the heat & allow a denser charge 
> at the intake.  It would seem to me that increasing the heat at this point
> would defeat this objective.  I suspect there's more to the physics of this
> than I understand but with the information given, this doesn't make much 
> sense.  
> 
> Maybe someone can explain this better...eh?
> 
The purpose of the wrap is to keep the heat in the pipes where it belongs. Heat
is energy. The more energy you can carry to the turbo without losing it to the
surroundings, the more energy there is to spin the turbo. I have heard several
negative comments to using wrap on turbo cars. They come mainly from guys
running 9 & 10 sec Grand Nationals. One negative is that having the wrap on the
headers tends to keep more of the heat in the system by the exhaust valves.
Some claim that they have seen a higher rate of burnt exhaust valves on cars
with wrapped headers. Another along the same lines is that if you wrap the pipe
on the exhaust side of the turbo, you hold more heat near the turbo and put
more stress on the turbo bearing. Yet another comes from the manufacturer of
cheap headers. Seems the wrap was holding in too much heat and causing the
welds on their headers to melt.
I wrapped the pipe exiting the turbo on my GN. This was done mainly to cut down
on the amount of radiated heat under the hood and to allow changing of spark
plugs at the track without burning my arm. The Thermotec wrap really cut down
on the under hood heat duew to this pipe. I haven't had any problems with turbo
bearings yet either.


Just my $.02 worth,
Ron
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:56:40 GMT

asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:


>     
>    So there I am just cruising down to drop off a video at the store.
>    Park my car(waaay far away so no stpid jerk will bang door into my
>    wife's wedding present-BMW 325i convertible).  As I walk out of the
>    store I see this moronic woman park next to my wife's car and kick 
>    her door open with her foot!! Taking off about a half inch square 
>    of paint from the wheel well.  She of course doesn't even give a damn
>    and refused to acknowledge the fact that she had done anything at all,
>    after I had just seen it.  Needles to say I was a little incensed but
>    felt that if I said anything I would lose it and physically DAHMER
>    her and her husband.  
>       WHAT the h*ll is this damned disease that causes stupid low life
>    scum to do this!!  I need help I mean WHY! WHY!
>   I feel better now.

I sincerely hope you did more than rave out on Usenet (like took her license
placte, car descrtiption, physical description, her driver's license, name,
and address (if she would give them to you) and REPORT IT TO THE POLICE.
I think this behavior goes beyond the typical parking lot ding into the realm
of pure vandalism, ecpecially given her lovely attitude.

Take the bitch to court!

And if that doesn't work, get yourself a Hayduke book. ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.185145.20384@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:

[...about passive restraints...]

>the original legislation mandated air bags; under heavy industry pressure,
                                                         ^^^^^^^^
I read once (I don't remember where) that Volkswagen was the primary
auto manufacturer behind this movement.  It didn't take long for
the Japanese car manufacturers to join them.  At the time, the gas
used to inflate the air bag was not widely available.  They were
afraid that mandatory air bags would give US auto makers an unfair
advantage over them.

>the regulations were backed off to permit these `passive belts'.  no one
>is happy with the result;

Right!  I think VW is probably the only one happy about the decision.
Chrysler is not.  As far as customers, I haven't met one yet that
perfers the motorized system over the manual one.

>those of us who don't like airbags don't like
>the passive belts either, and the safety lobby never liked the passive
>belts at all.
>richard welty                            518-393-7228
>welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
--
The opinions stated above are not necessarily my employer's.
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The MITRE Corporation  Bedford, MA 01730          rll@linus.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yerazunis@cthulu.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too many false alarms
Keywords:  Uniden?  Ahem....
Organization: Turing Police
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:36:51 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.222613.29829@walter.bellcore.com>, ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes...
>In article <3689@execu.execu.com>, dickp@execu.execu.com (Dick Parshall) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep8.152108.19067@walter.bellcore.com> ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes:
>|> #I recently purchased a radar detector with the Ka wideband
>|> #feature.  The Ka band covers the 34.700 plus/minus 520 MHz band.
>|> #
>|> #The radar was going off on the Ka band alert 9 out of 10 times
>|> #I was passing a truck.  I found this annoying so I decided to call
>|> #manufacturer.  It seems that wideband scans through so many 
>|> #different bands that ends up picking up interference from cellular
>|> 
>|> You left off an important detail for the rest of us readers and potential
>|> new-generation radar detector buyers:  what manufacturer and what detector
>|> model?
>|> 
>|> Thanks.
> 
>The unit is a UNIDEN RD5000W.  I have not found an explanation to the
>problem from Uniden.

Uniden is not what I consider to be a "top drawer" manufacturer.  I know
people who have Unidens and like them, but I don't.

Your problem is not RASHID.  

	1) RASHID is K-band, not Ka.

	2) RASHID never "made it".  The false-alarm rate of a RASHID 
	was high enough that it was discarded.  I've never even found
	a RASHID in use (using a pre-RASHID Classic Passport that doesn't
	have RASHID filtering).

Sometimes you'll get a detector that falses for various reasons.  One friend
of mine has an Escort DSP.  It goes off whenever his cellphone goes online.
Now, I have a DSP, so does my housemate, and so does a co-worker.  None of ours
go off when a cellphone goes online.  Is it my friends phone, or his detector?
Who knows- but it annoys the h*** out of him when he gets a _big_ K-band
alarm and then his phone rings!  

-----

I suggest you return the detector as "defective" to the place that sold
it.  Get your money back, and try another at a different store.  

-----

Every detector can be made to false given the right circumstances and
right interference pattern.  Some just have much less _likely_ interference
patterns than others. 

	-Bill

Copyright 1992 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless)
All rights reserved, no responsibility taken.

     "There's a droid running crazy in my lounge."
From: mflt_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mongoose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: cop car
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:54:34 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Our driver's ed car was an ex trooper car.  Origionally, it was a 440 six -
pack, but the school modified it back down to a two.  This notwithstanding,
it was a rather strong car...  we screwed around in it one day in the
autoshop and there was little hesitation, much less traction.  As near as we
could tell, there was little engine wear, but if you are that concerned with
it, then re-bore the thing and replace the rings.  I would rather keep the
engine that comes with the car, because it is probable that work such as a
new crankshaft, valves, etc. may have been done.  Finding a 'granny --
mobile' will not yield the same result.

Bottom line:  if you want a car to drive on the thruway that will scare the
hell out of people (especially with the head lights on), then get the granny
mobile, strip off the chrome, and paint it a dark color.  If you want the
performance, then get the real thing--- but keep in mind that the interior
will be spartan at best, and may have holes where equipment was removed.
(Ours did.)  It certainly won't be pretty.

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot-- the granny mobile will handle like a banana peel
comapred to the ex trooper car-- I've driven both...

Mongoose
mflt_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:17:36 -0400 
From: Janviere S Thuman <jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Need car advice

Can anyone offer me their opinion on a 1977 Fiat X19? (or a Triumph TR6,
MGB) My boyfriend is looking to buy a small old convertible but neither
of us knows much about them. I hear that they are unreliable (which
isn't too important because it would not be the main mode of
transportation) but they are affordable. What should we look for? 

Thank you
Shellie
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: phillip@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Phillip Jones)
Subject: Toyota Engine
Reply-To: phillip@kraken.UUCP (Phillip Jones)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 04:58:12 GMT


HELP ANYONE!!

I am writing to you requesting some information that is extreemly difficult
to get here in AUSTRALIA! I am tring to get some information on an old
TOYOTA engine model 18R-GEU.

By old I mean 1977 - 1986 (or somewhere around there).

This engine was in some japanese cars about 4-8 years ago. It has efi and I
am interested in obtaining the EFI unit for this engine. TOYOTA AUSTRALIA
DO NOT want to have anything to do with the engine as they NEVER imported a
car with this engine. 

What I would like is ANY INFORMATION ANYONE can GET ME about this ENGINE
and the EFI information relating to the ENGINE!!! 

Toyota part numbers of the EFI ECU and other components would be a help -
thats if the part numbers are the same in AUSTRALIA as to the rest of the
world. 

The other thing, if anyone knows if a CAMRY ECU would work please let me
know.

In Australia we can get the imported engines but not the ECU EFI system for
them, even if they come over with the EFI manifold and other goodies. I am
extreemly interested in getting the EFI working so any help would be
WONDERFUL!

BE A MATE HELP AN AUSSIE  -  You never know I might send ya a kangaroo.

____________________________________________________________________
Phillip Jones   	       	       	| Ours is not to wonder why.....
P.A.Jones@itc.gu.edu.au 	       	| Fax     61 7 875 7877 
Assistant Systems Programmer    	| Phone   61 7 875 5555  
ITS, Griffith University.       	|   
____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarzw@lonex.rl.af.mil (Walter Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Superchargers...
Organization: RL
Distribution: rec.autos, rec.autos.sport, rec.autos.tech
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 12:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.142139.17138@lut.ac.uk> C.Wong1@lut.ac.uk (C Wong) writes:

>in fact, superchargers are just mechanically driven air pumps, turbochargers
>are air pumps driven by exhaust gasses.

in fact, this is quite incorrect -- superchargers are *any* device that facilitate
an engine intaking more air than atmospheric pressure alone would allow.
 the term 'supercharger' does *NOT* imply any form of drive for the device.
 on the other hand 'turbocharger' does, since it is a contraction of
 'turbine-driven-supercharger'.

Walt K.
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:40:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <ILH.92Sep11095814@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:
>Sorry for this entire net-consuming discussion, folks!  I'm the
>original poster.
>
>In article <BuDMJ6.HH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>   So the real question becomes, WHICH method did the painter
>   mentioned in the original post choose to convert the perpendicular
>   spaces into angled ones? One method would produce a parking space
>   of the same width (although the length of the line parallel to the
>   curb where the two side lines of the space meet the curb would be
>   longer than the old perpendicular space). The other method would
>   keep the sideline-curb intersection points the same, and simply
>   change the angles of the sidelines (and yes, that WOULD produce a
>   narrower space).
>
>OBVIOUSLY, since I said the spaces got smaller, they became
>parallelograms (with the same sideline-curb intersection points).  If
>they were simply rotated rectangles, they would have remained the same
>width, and I would never have brought this stupid thing up!

It is by no means obvious. Unless you posess calibrated eyeballs, how
are we to know that just because the spaces LOOK narrower to you that
they actually ARE? You didn't say that you got out and measured them,
nor did you provide enough information to decide which method was used to
paint them. SHEESH! I guess that'll teach me for playing Devil's
Advocate on Usenet! ;-)

>   Original poster, whoever you are, perhaps you'd care to settle this
>   by going out to your parking lot and take some measurements? ;-)
>
>Well, unfortunately, the parking lot is approximately 906 miles from
>where I am currently sitting (Cambridge, MA).  From your email
>address, I see that you are considerably closer.  The school is
>Thompson Junior High School on Main street in St. Charles, IL.  Why
>don't you drive up there from Urbana/Champaign in your spare time? :-)

OK, next time I swing by there, I'll take some before and after
measurements and report on whether or not they actually got narrower.
(*)

>Can we put this stupid issue to rest?!?

Sure, if you want. ;-)

[(*)Note for the humor-impaired: chill out, lighten up, and take this
statement in the lighthearted spirit in which it was intended.]
From: dlou@ECE.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Noisy Clubs: Worse Than Alarms
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Most people don't like alarms because they are loud and annoying.
They often opt for the Club or some other steering wheel lock.

The other day, I saw something even worse.  Someone's Club had slipped
and came to rest on the horn button!


--
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Gordon Murray's "Rocket" design
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:54:55 GMT


In article <BuHG78.C5q@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W Olszowy) writes:
|> I was reading in this month's Automobile Ragazine about the new McLaren F1
|> when  I noticed this neat little auto on the bottom of the page named:
|> The Rocket.  Appearently this is a Gordon Murray design for the Light Car
|> Company of England that was a 2 seater (in tandem) powered by a Yamaha
|> FZR 1000 motorcycle.  Unfortunately these are about the only details they
|> gave on the automobile.  Well they also gave the price: $59,000.  UGH!!
|> But anyway, I'd like to pick the minds of you auto maniacs out there to
|> see if I can gat so more info. on it or where I can get some more info.
|> Any and all info would be glady appreciated since my search so far
|> has produced zip! 

There was a large article in a recent issue of CAR magazine (a cover picture
and quite an extensive article inside). IMHO though, it's a bit of a red herring
as far as car design is concerned, no advance, and damn expensive to boot. Buy 
an FZR 1000 if you want speed was a comment at the end of the article!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman)
Subject: Re: Radio picks up noise from car
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:57:03 GMT

toddwall@rock.concert.net (Todd R Wall -- Catholic Diocese of Raleigh -- Computer Services) writes:
: 	About 8 months ago my computer died in my '89 Beretta and I had
: it replaced.  Before my computer died I had really good reception on the
: AM freqs. on my radio.  Now I get A-LOT of noise on my radio.  When
: I mash on the accelerator there is a very anoying fast crackling sound 
: and it will not go away until I take my foot off of the accelerator.  Then
: it's clear until I hit the accelerator.
: 
: 	Is there any type of connection that needs to be made when installing
: a computer in a car in order to shield it from the radio???  If not, any 
: suggestions  on what I can do to fix this problem???
: 

There could be a couple of things. 

1) When the replaced the computer they nicked the antenna cable, or didn't
reconnect it tightly enough.

2) They left the shielding off something important.

This noise is usually coupled in through the antenna or the power supply.
Check the antenna connection. If this is good, Radio Shack will sell you
a choke which goes inline with the power lead. This should kill the noise.

Don't forget to check under the hood -- is the coil wire loose? Is there
a crack in one of the spark plug wires? Start the car at night an mist
some water in there (a plant sprayer is useful). If you can see arcing,
that is your problem.


-- 
Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: I HATE SHABBY MECHANICS (was: I HATE MY DODGE)
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:59:54 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

Hi Herbert,

I also have a Dodge Daytona.   Mine's a 1985 Turbo model and now has about
110,000 miles on it.   I replaced the brake pads at about 75,000 miles and 
had the rotors turned. I also used anti-seize compound on the studs before 
I torqued the lug nuts down.  I bought the car new in March, 1985 and have
done about  95% of the  maintainance myself.     So far, I haven't had any 
complaints about the mechanic but then he probably wouldn't listen anyway! :^)

I've replaced the timing belt and the water pump,  both at around 65Kmiles 
and had a local shop replace the front wheel-bearings and 50Kmiles. It's 
on the third set of tires (original Goodyear Eagles, Nitto & Dunlop Qual-
ifiers).

It's been a very reliable car and over-all, I've been pleased with the 
service we've gotten from it.  It's gotten noiseyer with the passing miles
but I guess thats not too unreasonable considering one of our teenage kids
put a lot of that mileage on the car.

I've gotten pretty good service from all the cars I've had but I've done
most of my own maintainance (except things requiring specialized equipment)
and ALWAYS changed oil and filters between 2500 and 3500 miles.  That is the
cheapest insurance I know of for your engine!

'off the soapbox, it's time to go...
Talk to ya later,
   Gary
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: RXPR80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Richard Spilo)
Subject: Saturn Mailing LIst
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Sep 1992 07:58:36 MST

Where's the Saturn Mailing list?  How do I get on it?