From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kickoff classic Iowa-
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:19:00 GMT
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Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

An poster with the initials RD (full name withheld to protect the guilty)
responded to a thread by the comments following RD>:

NJ>In article <3134.382.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:
ALS>Prediction: The Big 10 hasn't had a great out of conference record and
ALS>NC state always seems to play everyone tough. NCSU 21-20.
NJ>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NJ>
NJ>Like they play Virginia?
NJ>
NJ>Iowa by 7.
NJ>
NJ>Njan

RD>Well, Njan, ill take it even further. Iowa is a big time program, whereas
RD>NCSU is an Acc upstart. When was the last time an NCSU regular season game
RD>was on national television? I think NCSU will be much much more freaked out
RD>by the situation than Iowa.

Dick Sheridan has had good teams at NCSU for years. (They beat Iowa in the
1988 Peach bowl.) I would not define then as an "upstart"

I do not even consider Iowa a very "big time program" because the
Big 10 has not shown much versus decent non conference competition,
and Iowa has performed worse than expectations in bowl play.
I do not like that fact because I am an Ohio State fan, but it is true.
You can deny it if you want, but that won't make it any less true.

NC State had at least two national tv appearances last year. So what if
Iowa had one or two more? They probably had less tv appearances than
Iowa going into the 1988 Peach bowl, but they were not "freaked out" by
it, bursting to a 28-3 lead.


RD>Iowa by 27, maybe more.

Oops!


RD>Remember when Virginia was an upstart team, bursting with optimism

I can accept your definition of Virginia as an upstart team in 1989,
because the previous season was their first good one in years.
That is hardly the case with NCSU.

RD>playing Notre Dame in the KC? That was the most lopsided game Id ever seen.
RD>While I think the difference in talent between the two schools is not as
RD>great as it was in 1989.

That is the understatement of the century. ND was the defending national
champions, and would go 11-1 in 1989. It was no disgrace for Virginia to
be routed by them. The Big 10 is something like 1-14 versus ND since
1987. By your logic that would make them an "upstart" conference.

RD>the situation will be similar, and Iowa will win handily.

If you had followed through with your own contorted logic you might
have predicted the contest correctly.

Let's see, if NCSU is an "ACC upstart" now, they certainly were in 1988.
NCSU had less national tv appearances last year, the same was probably
true in 1988. NC State won in 1988 28-23, so you should have said,
"the situation will be similar, and NC State will win."

It is OK to have your own opinion, and it is ok to be wrong, but you
should back up your reasoning with facts.

Your reasoning that an "upstart" would get blown out by a Big 10 power
does not explain how Ohio State lost to Air Force in the Liberty bowl
or how Army beat both Illinois and Michigan State in bowls during the 80's.
Bo even lost to North Carolina in a bowl, and Woody Hayes got fired
after the Buckeyes lost a bowl game to Clemson.

                                     Al
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