HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Suspension Work - who does yours?
Date: 30 Mar 92 14:45:27 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:
: 
: I just want to know who did your suspension work and are you satisfied.
: 
 Jeff Slavens of Slavens Racing Designs in Colorado Springs.  Jeff does
 excellent work and it is always guaranteed.  PH (719)632-1456.  Jeff
 does motor and suspender work for Randy Hawkins and a host of other 
 offroad types.  Tell him Murphy sent ya.


  O                    Ken Murphy aka kenm@array.com              President RMEC
 <M> MerfMan          DoD #0479      '92 KTM 250 EX/C              Member COHVCO
_/ \_                 Race Now Party Later Racing Team                AMA 406077
Disclaimer: _I_ don't believe what I said, why should you?
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:25:06 GMT
Subject: XR600 Rear Tires
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt


Does anybody have a good suggestion for an intermediate terrain rear tire
for an XR600?  I've been using Dunlop K490s, but they get eaten up pretty
quickly (6-8 rides).   How does  the K595 work?  Does anyone use the
Brigestone M22?  I just ordered an IRC VE33, partly because I remember
having pretty good luck with them on my 500.  At the rate the rocks around
here eat tires, price is important.  I simply can't afford Metzlers. 
Actually, I could afford Metzlers, but then I wouldn't have any money left
over to feed the family.  ;-)  

Ride fast.  Shred Llamas.  42 days til Moab '92.  

-Jeff Deeney-           DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600(Shamu)
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com    AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F(Reconstructionating)
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:53:38 GMT
Subject: Re: DR350s or DR250S or XT350
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, doning@ocf.berkeley.edu (Donald Ng) writes:

> I just got the itch for a DP bike again. This is the second time since
> I sold my XT125 last month. Now I'm really thinking about trading in 
> my 550 Vision for a DR350s, DR250s, or a XT350. My only 
> problem with the 350's is that I'm short, 5'2", so if anyone knows
> of a method to lower seat height besides cutting down the seat, let 
> me know. 
> 
> Can anyone give me advice on the strong points and any problems you've
> had with any of these bikes? Is the suspension on the DR better
> than that on the XT? I've been told so.

From what I've read, avoid the DR250.  You get all of the height and weight
of the 350, with much less power.  Like the Husky 350, it's one of those
bikes that makes you ask "Why did they bother?". 

Do you have anything against the Hondas?  The XR250L is supposed to be one
of the best DP bikes around, although it is just as tall as a regular XR.  

For  height,  you  might  want to look at some of the  older DP bikes.  If
you're really  serious about a newer bike, there's a number of things that
you can do to shorten it.  The first is to minimize  the  preload and trim
the  seat.  The  next  step  is to  shorten  the  springs  and  limit  the
suspension  travel.  This starts getting into a lot of time and money.  It
all depends on how serious you want to get.

-Jeff Deeney-           DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600(Shamu)
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com    AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F(Need 6mm helicoils)
We don't stop roosting because we get old, 
                                 we get old because we stop roosting.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: Re: Nicknames
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:58:06 GMT

In article <92105.171027IO20081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (robert eric beckwith) writes:
>Also a friend of mine calls his racing team "team caffine"
>how about a list of racing teams (humorous)

Team positive. Our motto: "We test positive on raceday". None of this wimpola
Exceed-swilling Powerbar-munching health fanatic stuff for us, nosiree. Just
red meat and mind-altering substances for us, thank you. Our MX heroes? Super
Hunky, Joel Robert.

A better known team name: Team No Snivelers.



-Neal
[niall@c3.com]

"Hoyt, you're a DIRT BIKE rider, an aficianado of GUNS 'N' ROSES, you wear
GORTEX & ACRYLIC & never read CALVIN TRILLIN. Is there ANY way I can get to
you?"

"NONE at all... I'm completely IMPERVIOUS to your weak-kneed CHATTERING. I
dismiss guys like you without a second thought."
From: carney@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Bradshaw Wins  2 at Pontiac
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:46:04 GMT

Just a Quick Pontiac update Bradshaw, Bradshaw takes both
Supercross races in Michigan last weekend. Sources said his
Yamaha looked FAST.....   He's back on top the points standing!!!

                                               Mark C.
I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning..
                    
                                          ...it smells like Victory!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.203036.13568@eos.arc.nasa.gov> I wrote:

[see the referenced articles for the entire discussion of "flywheel effect"
vs. "shaft effect."]

>"Shaft effect" is a very real up-and-down force that tends to lift
>the front and compress the rear under acceleration and do just the
>opposite under decelleration.

Hmmm.  Over Tues. night dinner with the Bay Area crowd, Hesh opined
that this was flat out wrong, and that I was going to get flamed for it.
Okay, let's get that part over with:

Stone, you ignorant pus-bag, you don't know shaft effect from suspension
compression!

So Hesh says that shaft effect lifts the entire chassis up under acceleration,
not just the front.  I've only noticed the front-lifting part of it, and
actually managed to convince myself that the back end was compressing and
biting more.  Perhaps I am confusing rear-suspension compression from
acceleration (the same force that, unbound, leads to wheelies) with shaft
effect, but even if so, might not the net result be the same (i.e., shaft
effect lifts both front and back, but acceleration loads the rear suspension,
making only the front lift noticeable)?

Could someone more knowlegeable in motofizzix please clarify?

Speaking of wheelies and shaft effect...I've finally mastered the Shaft-
Effect Wheelie, as taught by Master Hesh.  Yes, a boxer actually can do a 
roll-on wheelie!  Going slowly in first gear, blip the throttle once.  The
bike will lift a bit, due to shaft effect.  As it recoils, just as it
bottoms out and starts to rise again, give it a big handful of throttle.
Whee!  The bounce from the first lift gives just the right amount of launch.
It actually feels possible to flip the thing right over, if you don't watch
out.  Unfortunately, I picked a stupid place to try my new-found trick.  The
NASA Rent-a-Cop wasn't at all amused.

Me:  "The rain must have gotten into my carbs...my throttle is intermittent."
	[Growing nose starts to open face-shield at this point]

NASA RaC:  "It looked like you were trying to lift it up."

Me:  "Nah!  I don't think *this* bike can even *do* a wheelie."
	[He didn't see it!  I'm not going to the brig!]

NASA RaC:  "You fix your mechanical problems before you hit the road,
		you hear?  Go on, get out of here."


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:29:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sixgun.rq1piINNklq
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 17570@oasys.dt.navy.mil, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>
>This thread is never going to end...

Do any of them, really?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: O.K., How About DoD MousePads?????
Date: 15 Apr 1992 16:25:50 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
> MousePads with the Denizen logo?
>
 Just what I need.  A mini-sani-napkin with the Dod Dude on it!

--jimiii


-- 
 Faster horses
 Younger women 
 Older whiskey
 More money!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: BICYCLE
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:29:46 GMT

Is this group called rec.motorcycles or whogivesashit.bicycle .
What a waste of time and effort.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Riding SF -> LA & back, alone
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:46:10 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA

noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:
: >yes, it is unwise.
: 
: don't listen to him, he's an experienced skeptic.
: 
: of course you can do it!  after all, what does wisdom have to do
: with motorcycling??!!!!!

well, i never said "don't do it," did i?

of course he should do it.  but it's unwise... unless
some planning is done and all that other stuff.

-- hesh
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Whats the cost of a speeding ticket going 135+?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:10:41 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems. Daytona Bch, Fl

In article <16110162@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>
>*Does anyone know how expensive a ticket is for going 135+ in the state of
>*California?  Just curious...
>
>No, but if they catch you going over 100 mph you lose your license for
>a year.  Same thing if you are going 55mph over the limit I think.
>
>Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
>Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
>1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
>Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.

I don't know about California, but in Florida it would be: $52 + 4(135-limit).
Assuming the limit is 65, it comes out to a nasty $332. The prices might have
changed recently but only for the worse.

Jerry S.

P.S. Don't ask me how I know this.
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU ((n)<j>ay)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaded or Unleaded
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:49:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.1992Apr14.164918.54811
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr13.211341.2371@acsu.buffalo.edu> v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman) writes:
>
>	A friend of mine has a question for his bike.  He has a 1973
>Honda CB350F and wants to know if it is O.K. for  the motor if he just runs
>unleaded gas with no additives.  Anybody got anything worthwhiel to say about 
>using straight pump gas in a motor made to run in the "leaded era".  All replies
>						Ethan Bowerman

As I recall, unleaded runs just fine in a leaded engine but the other way
around does not.  Something about the leaded gas will hurt the catalytic
converter.  But this is mostly from cage engines that I know this, can't see
why a bike engine would be much different in this respect.


Jay Hamilton                       1985 XV1000 with more chrome than a HD
hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu         Time to change the oil AGAIN!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (The Missing Link)
Subject: Re: 1986 Suzuki Katana for sale
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:19:08 GMT

In a rare fit of vernacular exposition (Mark Parsons) held forth:
:- 
:- In article <>, ifair@sirius.UVic.CA (Ivan  Fair) writes:
:- |> 
:- |>     - 19,800 kms
:-          ^^^^^^^^^^
:- Now *that* is FAST!!!!! ;-)
:- 
:- |>     - 2,800 kms on new Metzler tires, chain, sprockets
:-          ^^^^^^^^^
:- Didn't realize that Metzlers slowed you down that much! :-)
:- 


	methinks u got your km/s and kms (as in kilometres) confused ;)



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From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:01:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*>I don't think any conclusive reasons have been invented yet, but one
*>opinion ... was that young female drivers
*>have become much more aggressive than they were in the past.
*
*Based on personal experience in Massachusetts, anyway, I really don't think
*so. Female drivers seem to be the most timid and slow of most categories
*around here. I personally thought it was simply higher numbers due to in-

When I moved from PA to Northern CA 10 years ago one of the first things
I noticed was how much more aggressive many (not all) of the women 
drivers were out here.

Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: RG400
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:59:30 GMT

I don't know if there's currently an RG400 for sale, but I do know
that in 86, an RG400 was sold as a japan-only version of the RG500;
there was a picture and blurb in cycle guide way back. Seemed to
be identical to the 500 except for engine capacity (sleeved down?)
Hp rating was pretty low, around 60, I think.

Randy N.
From: shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: HD Rear Footrest Hex Bolts
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr17.141957.28968
Organization: DoD Treasurer

I picked up a set of slightly used Heritage Softail saddle bags (for $200
complete, great deal!) and am mounting them on my FXSTC.  The hex bolts
that attach the rear footrests to the frame are *very* difficult to remove.
These babies are tightened to better than 50 ft-lbs but there is no room
to use a tool larger than a shallow 6 inch long 3/8" hex key.  A 3/8" allen
socket and ratchet would give access to enough torque but can't be used
because the allen socket won't fit even by itself.  Forget about squeezing
the ratchet in there.

Is there some magic tool to remove these hex bolts?  If I grind them off
I'll still have to tighten replacements during reassembly.  Huge grade 8
hex bolts are a tad costly anyway...

Frustrated, pissed off and about ready to have an aneurism,

Seth Zirin
From: soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:21:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: arizona.1992Apr6.022109.2861
Reply-To: soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson


Time for yet another question, in the search for information...
I know what the differences between each of the drives (chain,
belt, shaft) are, but I'd like to get some information on what
people _think_ of each of them.  For example, which do you 
prefer, what's the necessary maintainence, etc.  Chain and shaft
drives seem to be the most common in the bikes i've been looking
at.  As always, any info appreciated...


  +-----------------+------------------------------------+
  | Brian Soderblom |  soderblom@evax2.engr.arizona.edu  |
  | (602) 323-6705  | 2350 E Water A-213 Tucson AZ 85719 |
  +------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: clb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Cameron L. Bennett)
Subject: I want a DOD number...Dammit!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 21:24:27 GMT


how does one go about becoming one of the few the proud the
Denizens of Doom?

does it involve severe mental torture, strange acts with sheep?

(I hope so 8-))

my full name is Cameron Lee Bennett,and I ride a 1972 Suzuki
550GT.... for whatever that's worth

???????????
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rjwhite@watmath.waterloo.edu (RJ White)
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Organization: MFCF
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:29:18 GMT

mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com writes:
	I've owned a Hurricane 600, an RZ-350, a '90 ZX-7 with a Muzzy...
	...., and I've never had an unintentional wheelie

	Are there really bikes out there that will actually pull the
	front end up with the clutch engaged and the throttle open?

yup. lots.  On my first street bike, a 1976 Yamaha RD400C, I hit the throttle
on my first ride while cruising along and almost dropped the front wheel on
the back bumper of the  car way ahead of me.  That was with me half on the
seat and tank, riding it like a dirt bike.  Surprised the hell outta me.
Up till then, I had believed all street bikes were gutless.  wrongo...
   -rj
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DoD 051112 (guess!)             | annoying buzzwords.  We prefer to call it
Team Bengt Phorks               | a unrequested fission surplus.
Yamaha RZ350A, MX175G, YSR80B   |                     - C. Montgomery Burns
From: ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Getting a licence in the US
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:04:44
Organization: /u/ses/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmns-sun.think.com


Hi. 
  I'm a Brit, currently trans-pondinental for a couple of interviews; If I'm 
lucky, I'd like to get back on two wheels. I'm going back to blighty next
week, and with any luck, my begging letter to the DVLC to give me some 
extra time on my group D provisional licence so I can do a course and
take the test will have worked (I lost a year when I was in .il).

  Am I better off taking a course in the UK (@ ~$400), or should I wait till
I know about the jobs/green card, and then study and take the test in 
the state I end up in? The relevant states are Arizona, North Carolina,
and Mass. Can anybody from those areas give me any info about test 
requirements and other whacky details (stepped licences, etc)? I'd also be 
interested in finding out about prices for things like insurance, road tax,
and second hand bikes.

Thanks

Simon
 
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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? (GSXR750)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:30:11 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Apr6.170637.5314@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <a#1t_5d@rpi.edu>, adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics) writes:
>> I just recently got hooked on motorcycles.  I don't own one yet, but I know
>> how to ride, well I almost have my license.  Anyway, I just saw an ad for a
>> 1987 GSXR750 for $2000.  It has 7500 miles, a VanceHines exhaust, new tires.
>> I am actually looking for a sport bike in this class 600-750cc in the
>> $2000-3000 range.
>
>Am I just old fashioned but is it really a good Idea to have a sports
>replica 750cc machine as a first bike ?
>

Gee, my first working bike, my _beginners_ bike was a '91 FJ1200.

Go for it.

Ride Free,

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys
From: ham!emd@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 05:47:58 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mid Island Ham Network

boardman@cancer.unm.edu (Bob Boardman) writes:

> In article <15215@drutx.ATT.COM>, klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
> >
> >How about:
> >
> > Hardly Wavidson
> > Hogley Ferguson ( half pig, half tractor )
> >
> 	You seem to have missed the classic appellation:
> 
>         Hardly AbleToRun
> 
> 
And Hardly Dangerous...........

Harley Davidson,
made of tin,
ride 'em out
and push 'em in.


Robert Smits Nanaimo BC    | I don't wanna pickle,
ham!emd@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca  | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Meta-flame, etc...
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 19:01:23 GMT


Somebody writes:

>Steel?  When did Japan open steel mines?  Or are you talking about the

For that matter, when did _anyone_ open steel mines?


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
From: bruneau@bnr.ca (Glenn Bruneau)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Jump start with car?
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: bruneau@bmerh538.bnr.ca
Distribution: usa
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design

In article <3432@balrog.ctron.com>, tavares@earl.ctron.com writes:
|> 
|> My bike uses a 12 volt system. Would it be possible, if necessary
|> to jump start the battery using my car and regular jumper cables?
|> If it is not possible, why not?
|> 
|> jack
|> -- 
|> Jack Tavares     tavares@ctron.com
|> disclaimer stuff here

-- 

I haven't had any problems doing this with my Seca Turbo - but then again it is
somewhat of a tank (albeit a very nimble one) as far as bikes go. I have heard
that other people have problems with their stators when they jump start off of 
their car.

                     
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              CAUTION                          | Glenn Bruneau 
                                               | '82 Seca Turbo, Amiga 3000,
     Sig construction zone ahead               | diving, skiing, windsurfing,
                                               | sailing, camping, canoeing ...
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Just because BNR owns my opinions does not mean it shares them.