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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: mixer
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 05:45:23 GMT


In a previous article, R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Russ Gelinas) says:

>the Alesis 1622, I don't remember it being very inexpensive, just the
>opposite in fact.  Alesis is quality, but you pay for it.  The 6 channel
>520 watt reverbed Sun board runs about $650 list; I seem to remember the
>1622 running closer to $1000, unpowered, dry.  I realize in the world of
>sound reinforcement, that's not really expensive, but in the world of
>underpaid techno-weenies with 2 kids, it just ain't gonna happen.

  I'd have to go home and dig through some stuff, but I think maybe
the new Mackie boards might be of use to you, Russ. I'll try to remember
to get back to you with a model number and a list price.
  Btw, you realize a trade-in on your board is probably a worse ripoff
than selling it to some garage band for $100, right?  Unless of course
the music stores operate entirely differently up nawth (which I somehow
doubt). Your best bet if'n you lean into the middle class income is 
probably to donate it to a local church or non-profit organization and
wildly exaggerate its value on your tax return. No, I didn't say that,
and I don't play a lawyer on TV, either.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:47:00 CDT
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Subject:      More great guitars

>Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:44:38 EDT
>From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
>Subject:      Favorite guitar solos, first pass
>
>
>Allan Holdsworth on "Fred," off Tony Williams Lifetime's _Believe It_
>   The pacing of this is wonderful, he starts out with lingering single
notes
>   and gradually builds up to one of his blazing speed runs. He says it was
a
>   studio demo recording, not intended for release. What a card.

   I'm surprised at you Michael -- I never would have thought that you would
go for this one.  :*)  This is probably my favorite Holdsworth song of all --
not as much for a great guitar performance, as for it being a gorgeous tune.
(I also love the acoustic interpretation(s) of same, "Kinder" from _Velvet
Darkness_ -- another one that wasn't supposed to have been released.)

>Frank Zappa on "The Uncle Meat Variations," off the Mothers' _Uncle Meat_
>   The climactic string stretches at the end of the song. I also really like
>   his acoustic solo on "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama," among too many
>   others to try to list.

   Boy, did I goof by not including F.Z. on my short list.  "Black Napkins"
(_Zoot Allures_) and "Watermelon In Easter Hay" (_Joe's Garage_) are a couple
of relatively more recent ones that spring to mind.

>John Cippolina throughout Quicksilver Messenger Service's _Happy Trails_
>   The Rhino two-CD Quicksilver compilation contains almost every important
>   lick. If only they didn't edit "Who Do You Love"...

   I'm glad you mentioned that set.  I've seen it in stores, but wondered if
I shouldn't wait and see if any of the individual recordings were going to be
re-released.  (If they already have been, they sure don't carry them around
here.)  So, is the sound quality good?  Are the tunes truly re-mastered (vs.
just dumped into digital format)?  I've got most of the stuff on (very old
and scratchy) vinyl, so I wanted more input before I shelled out the $$$.
Also, I was turned off by the mention that "Who Do You Love" was the "single
version".

>My secret too-embarrassing-to-reveal tastes include: I actually like many of
>the old Moody Blues hits, especially the Justin Hayward tunes.

   That's not too embarrassing -- the local PBS station showed the Moodys
"documentary" last weekend, and it got me digging around in my collection to
indulge in a little nostalgia.  I seem to have gotten rid of all their
recordings over the years, but at least I found The Bluejays (Hayward and
Lodge).  That still sounds good today.


      bye,
      cmv ("chuckrateeze")
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:30:00 EST
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Subject:      Tangerine Dream

>From:         S_YECK@TWU.BITNET

>I'll have to second John's opinion on Hawkwind's _In Search of Space_.  I have
>just recently received a 3 CD Set of Hawkwind and that's the first CD I pulled
>out!  It sounds great!   As for sounding like Tangerine Dream's _Cyclone_, I
>don't know because I've never heard _Cyclone_ (but what I have heard is that it
>is TERRIBLE; DON'T TOUCH IT; NEVER GO NEAR IT, you get the point).  That is
>whast the TANGERINE DREAM FANS say about it!!!!! (unbelievable, eh?!)
>So, I wish I was enlightened a little more.

What the Tangerine Dream "fans" object to is the vocals on _Cyclone_.  They
insist that "pure" Tangerine Dream be instrumental.  The same people object
to _Tyger_ as well, again because of the vocals.  Myself, I have grown fond
of _Cyclone_ as I feel that once you get over the "has to be instrumental
to be good" barrier, the vocals do work effectively in a Hawkwind-type
context.  And it does help if you listen to the vocals for their sound
rather than for their sense as they are extremely psychedelic.  I have
yet to become comfortable with the vocals on _Tyger_; I just don't think
they "work".

>About this "tadream" list:  how in the world do I get on it?  I only have
>BITNET AND INTERNET to work with and neither will let me through to the address
>that John gave me!  Any suggestions?!  (I'd love to see some more TD fans, you
>know-just for the heck of it).

To get on the Tangerine Dream list, send your subscription request to
tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu.  That's an Internet address, so you should
be able to reach it.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: To Confess or not To Confess
              3 Sep 1992 11:35:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:35:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>First Lenny sez:
>
>>>Not trying to start trouble but i confess IMHO Stairway To Heaven is
>>>one of the most over rated tunes in the history of R&R and
>>>Jimmy Page is one of the most over rated Guitarist. Excellent producer/
>>>arranger though.
>
>Then, after the other Gary tells him this:
>
>>       Well Lenny, you may not be trying to start trouble, but I
>>can't think of a better way to than to take a shot at a popular
>>band/guitarist.
>
>He sez this:
>
>>let me rephrase that i think Led Zep is incredible and Stairway to Heaven
>>is by far one of the best R&R songs ever and J. Page is one of the best
>>guitarist i've ever heard BTW could we add a Ray to that Lenny (Lenny Ray)
>>also we all took shots at Billy Ray and several others and you kept quite
>>what's the deal are you a fan of Page and the plagerizers (just kidding)
>
>Do you realize that the only period (.) you used in this massive run-on
>sentence was for an abbreviation?
>
>What the hell kind of crap is this? First you say the song is over-rated, and
>now it's one of the best? Make up your mind. Honestly, I think you just post
>shit whether you have an opinion on it or not, just to start trouble.
>I believe the phrase "Get A Life" fits.
>
>...and use that period key for 'crissakes...it's above the space bar to the
>right.
>
>Seeya,
>Yes, it's me, "Lord Netus" again
I voiced my opinion just like you did yours i was not trying to start trouble
Led Zep plagiarized a couple of blues songs that i know of off hand and lost
in court on one occasion we all know. (1 period) They really had too much
talent to be stealing stuff, even their peers looked down on them for the
stuff they did like that. (2 periods) As for my second post about them
being incredible....etc that was to keep idiots like yourself from giving
me a lesson on the use of periods. (3 periods) I'll use my period key
if you use your brain you know that grey matter inside that big old
head of yours. BTW next time you hear Whole lotta love thank Willie
Dixon not LEd Zep. I guess you're not sending me a christmas card this
year huh.................................(count em yourself, jerk)
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Hi, netfolkz

Been a bit since I posted... BUSY, BUSY, lotza behind th' scenes E-mail
activity (THANKS to ALLMUSIC, of course - which, by the way, is mentioned
in the latest issue of my little music 'zine - 'Improvijazzation Nation') -
& LOTZ of 'zines tapes to look at for review... one little project some of
you might be VERY interested, if yer into the HOME-taped cassette venue, is
a H-U-M-O-N-G-O-U-S anthology of, by & for these artists... while some of
the material is a BIT dated, it still provides a THOROUGH insight into what
makes these folks tick... the name (if you haven't heard/seen it already) is
'Cassette Mythos', edited by Robin James... who, a long time ago, was VERY
involved in the series of OP magazines from A to Z; literally!

It checks in at a HEFTY 192 + pages, hardly ANY ads at all, & can be ordered
for $12 from Nonsequitur Foundation (The aerial/?What Next?), PO BX 2638,
Santa Fe, New Mexico... they'll also send ya' a little catalog packed with
neato little items!

ALSO - Robin James put out a comp tape of MANY of the artists who 'tribed
to the book... I'm not sure of the exact price (I THINK it's CD=$12 &
TAPE=$8), as mine was a review copy... but it's RED-HOT & serves as a FINE
intro to what's REALLY happening in today's music!

& lastly, two new tapes from ZZAJ Productions... 'Two Card Draw - Limited
Options' (with poet Jake Berry) & 'SCARAB POLEMIC' (with my ol' freind
Joe Hardin) are both recently released... inquiries on those by E-mail or
to my address here in Korea:

Dick Metcalf
HQ, 19th SUPCOM
UNIT 15015, PO BX 2879
APO AP 96218-0171

ROTCOD ZZAJ

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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:15:54 CDT
From:         "Renato Barahona" <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Other types of music ("or "the beat goes on")

All this talk about other types of music has reminded me that when I recently c
leaned the car -- doesn't happen often -- I collected the following tapes from
tbe compartment on the driver's side:

Flamenco (with the recently deceased Camaron de la Isla. He was only 41.)

Smokey Wood (1930s country swing) on one side/Delmore Brothers-Hank Williams/Je
rry Lee Lewis on the other (strongly recommended for fishing trips to Northern
Wisconsin woods)

Lester Young (compiled from a magnificent find of 10" discs at a thrift)

Joe Turner, I've been to Kansas City

Stones, Hot Rocks 1964-1971

Great Society with Grace Slick

Question Mark and the Mysterians, The Dallas Reunion Tapes -- 96 Tears Forever
(with an extra, oh so extra long version of 96 Tears. Pure bliss)

Ash Ra Tempel, Join Inn, on one side; Guru-Guru, Kan Guru (sp?) on the other

Joe "King" Carrasco (among my favorite kings along with King Oliver and King Ko
ng)

Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye, a Tribute to Roky Erickson (of the legendary 1
3th Floor Elevators), with a rip-roaring version of Earthquake by the Butthole
Surfers.

Bach's Brandenburgs

Renato

P.S. I've three preset music stations on the car radio: one classical, one rock
 (WXRT), and one oldies.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:18:45 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      Re: Other types of music ("or "the beat goes on")
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From:           Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:        Re: Other types of music ("or "the beat goes on")
Date:           Monday, August 31, 1992 at 8:38:09 am CDT

[...]
>   I propose we take this list plus what's on Dave's Desk plus every other
>netter's current heap and create a Ginsberg-Ferlingetti-type rambling ode
>which resident alchemist ZZAJ ROTCOD will transmute into solid gold
>

what music do i have in my office today?  um, don't you think that's a
really personal question?

cassettes
   spin-180       time to burn bridges
   whitecross     in the kingdom
   bride          live to die
   amy grant      heart in motion
   stryper        soldiers under command
   stryper        to hell with the devil
   rock 'n learn  multiplication
   king's x       interview (with david sadoff)
   barron's       mastering japanese, tape 2

cds
   art of noise   the best of the art of noise
   take 6         so much to say
   bryan duncan   anonymous confessions of a lunatic friend
   sonny sharrock seize the rainbow
   sonny sharrock ask the ages
   bach           concerto for two violins in d minor; violin concertos 1 & 2
   trouble        trouble
   king's x       out of the silent planet
   dire straits   love over gold
   rush           permanent waves
   the choir      wide-eyed wonder
   ofra harnoy    schubert's "arpeggione" sonata; prokofiev's sonata, op 119
   ministry       kephale 69 (*)

(*) the ministry cd is on loan to a friend here at work.  does it count?

>Sonia Underground Steak Queen
>then
>

lee "looking forward to rotcod's compliation"
eternal now
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:41:00 CDT
From:         S_YECK@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      miscellaneous

First of all, I can't get over how many of you actually have heard of Tangerine
Dream AND Hawkwind.  These are names I had no idea existed until late last
year!!

Has anyone (besides me) ever heard of the group Peru?  If so, what is your
opinion and do you think they relate anything to Tangerine Dream.  (I am a very
curious soul).

Has anyone ever heard of the band Mad at the World?  That was my sister's
favorite band for the longest time (until she married a heavy metal vocalist
from Amethyst).  Mad at the World started out electronic and worked their way
up to heavy metal.  The band consists of:  Roger Rose (lead vocalist), Randy
Rose (drummer and Roger's brother), Mike Pendleton (bass) and Brent Gordon
(guitar).  Brent Gordon is THE BEST GUITARIST that I have ever heard!  These
guys live in Irvine, California and are really neat.  I actually got to meet
them on Sept. 21, 1991 (last year).  Now, that was a dream come true!
If none of you have ever heard of this band, it may be just because it's
Christian music!  (lyrics are interesting)
They have just released a new album and I can't seem to recall the title
presently.  But, the others they have are:  "Mad At the World"(debut), "Flowers
in the Rain", "Seasons of Love", "Boomerang" and their newest.
My own favorite is "Seasons of Love".  It has a cross between electronic, new
wave and heavy metal (I'll just say it's hard rock!!)  It's great!

Anyway, I'm still hooked on Tangerine Dream and Hawkwind has become a favorite.
So, keep those opinions coming!  I want to know!

I also want to know why CD's Plus isn't getting any business from anybody
anymore?!  Anybody got any suggestions that we could use to get more customers?
We don't even make a profit off of anything-every penny is used to cover the
cost of what our customers want.  We deal with wholesale distributors too
(Phantom primarily).  Well, thought I'd throw that in there.  Just so you will
know, we are open 24 hours a day (there's a machine that catches messages when
we are away); we'll be changing hours to fit the Manager's schedule soon; we
work from the home, so we answer "hello" instead of "CD's Plus", and (I feel)
we give fair prices.  Just recently, a man in Las Vegas ordered "The Man
Inside" by Tangerine Dream for $25.00 (but that includes postage and handling).
This is the amount going to Phantom-not us!  So, if you've got a question or a
suggestion, please let me know!  Thanks!

Anyway, I'm going to try to get the list of concert dates for Tangerine Dream
and maybe, if any of you get the chance, you'll go and tell me how it was!

That's all for today.  Gotta get back to work.  Seeya later.

Toodles.,
 _
Meshel
     o
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Subject:      Re: other types of music

     Music stores should have the Schwann Catalogue, which lists the
available CD's and tapes.  I never have seen a COMPLETE Red Poppy, but
a 20 minute suite should have all you want (and more).  Good luck.
                                         JB
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Miles beyond
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:01:03 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92090311055596@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>What the fuck did Miles ever do for rock? The Great Fusion Boom he propagated--
>by equipping his sidemen with electrified gear and sending them out to record
>zillions of identical, overly busy fusion sessions-- had the ultimate effect of
>overpopulating the ecological niche that progressive rock staked out, so by the
>time people figured out that the rock-based Soft Machine was at least as smart
>as the (allegedly) jazz-based Return to Forever, both bands had collapsed. I
>think fusion set rock back 20 years, and I think it's fair, at least in part,
>to blame Miles.

hey, I bought Soft Machine, never listened to it much.  Sold it to a used
record store about a year after I bought it.  Don't remember anything
about what it sounds like.

You seemed to answer your question, with your spin,  but in my viewpoint,
he finished what Hendrix started.  He took some of the basic elements
it, and evolved it so it was structurally on the level of modern jazz,
(in its polychords) free jazz, and even Stockhausen era classical
music.  That's what the fuck Miles ever did with rock.  No one is saying
he is the be all end all in that domain, he is far from it, 
but his accomplishments are considerable.

I don't think he hurt bands like Crimson, but if it turned Bruford into
a Weather Report wannabee, you can only blame Bruford.  In fact, Miles
notes how Sting has Gil Evans do some covers for him, hires Branford or Kenny
Kirkland to blow a few solos, and wins the Best Jazz Something award from 
Playboy's readers' poll.  So they never stole any money, fame, fortune from 
no rock musicians.

Jeff
From: skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sonia Kovitz)
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Subject: Re: Underground/Progressive Music
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:44:26 GMT
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              Rife" at Aug 28, 92 1:21 pm

>
>      What bands of today are considered Underground and how would you
> describe this form of music (if it still exists).

Scuzey-moi for probably being off the wall (but I do have my rep to keep up):
Before you get started, let's all get straight (agree on)the DEFINITION of the
Underground (Notes from Underground 101 by Our Friend Fyodor):
     not music (yet)--I'll leave that to the pro's--but let's remember that the
"underground" means most real yet most would not grant that it's real; the
underground means blurring the boundaries we think are "real"; the underground
means truth as Henry Miller dug it up from where no one else would go; the
underground means coffins, eggshells, making an ass of yourself and being proud
of it, then peeking out the window.... Yowzah...
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From:	NAME: Henry E. Schneider
	FUNC: J745
	TEL: (713) 280-1775                   <SCHNEIDER.HENRY@A1@SSDHOU>
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As a point of clarification, Klaus Schluze is one of the founding memebers
along with Edgar Froese (of course) and Conrad Schnitzler.  Klaus Schluze
is probably the most influential electronic artist in the number of
musicians, bands, & albums that he has had either direct contact in or
influenced over his 20+ years in the recording industry.

Henry Schneider
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:19:31 EDT
From:         rael@CSVAX1.UCC.IE
Subject:      war of the worlds

Some mentioned before how justin hayward was the only singer on the war of the
worlds double album. Phil Lynnot, david essex (well it was the 70s) and a few
others also appeared on it. Its probably most famous for the instrumental "eve
of the war"
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              26 Aug 1992 14:32:27 -0400 from <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

I hope I have the right answer. Renato

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:32:27 -0400 The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny said:
>>People ask me how i make music, i tell them i just step into it. It's
>>like stepping into a river and joining the flow . Every moment in the
>>river has its song. So i stay in the moment and listen.
>>
>
>Knowing that you like bluesy stuff, I'd guess Chuck Berry?
>
>-Adam

No, could it be Wholio Iglesias, Barry Manilow, Perry Como, Lawrence Welk, or,
as the Church Lady might say, SATAN!!??
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:47:01 EDT
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Aug 26, 92 1:29 pm

>
> Everyones favorite Michael Jackson - ok back to german blues music
>

AACKKK-- you see, this is what happens to your brain after multiple plastic
surgeries to make you look like Barbie (not Klaus).
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