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From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:49:54 GMT

In article <BvtuBK.Dx4@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:
>First I would like to thank all those who responded.  I would like to ask
>one more question.  My friends new argument, is that one usually gets worse
>gas mileage on heavier treaded tires (snow, M & S etc.) then on summer
>tires.  Thus, he argues this proves that the reason racers use slicks is for
>mileage, but we use treaded for better traction...
>Brad

As far as I know, the only reason we use treaded tires on street
vehicles is because we have to be able to drive them in all weather
conditions.  A "slick" tire will give the best traction on dry
pavement, but quickly becomes unsafe on wet pavement because the
tire hydroplanes at a rediculously low speed.  Street tires are
designed to cut through rain or snow, attempting to put as much
rubber as possible into contact with the road.  Snow tires are
nothing but a different tread (with the exception of studded
tires).  Ever notice how racers always pit for rain tires when the
first drop of rain falls at a race?  They know that in another
2 or 3 laps, they'll lose enough traction to be unsafe.
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:23:41 GMT

In <1992Oct9.155749.23601@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>In article <johnl.0a8i@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
>>IndyCar Racing Magazine's recent survey suggests only 21% of race fans watch
>>racing for the technology.. 68% is consumed with speed, competition, and the
>>drivers..
>>

>Do we dare speculate what the remaining 11% like?

>-cball-

The Haiwian Tropic Girls ??

Doigman.
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From: u882819@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Robin Geoffrey Mc Donald)
Subject: Re: Denney Hulme
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:25:46 GMT

afinlayson@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>In article <5375@gold.gvg.tek.com>, jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
>> Another sad day in motor racing:
>> 
>> He'll be missed.  I have vivid memories of Hulme and McLaren storming
>> around Laguna Seca in those orange McLarens back in the Grp 7 days...
>> 
>> Jim

>Sad only for us...the way I reckon these things.  Given that we all
>die, sooner or later, I figure that the Bear won the biggest race of
>all.  Excelsior!

I watched him drive a magnificant race in Targa Tas for a second place
in a M5 an increadible smooth drive. He'll be sadly missed.

>Respectfully submitted,
>Chris Finlayson
Robin
From: pjg.wbst200ul@xerox.com (Paul J. Graziano)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Summary: Coke already does...
Keywords: Coke, Pepsi
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:11:43 GMT
Reply-To: pjg.wbst200ul@xerox.com
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
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Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY


In article 718554191@spssig, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>>Also, will this deal force the hand of, say, Burger King?  Will the 
>>hamburger wars spill over to motorsports?  Either way, it's good for the
>>fans, as this involvement means racing continues.
>>
>We can replace the Beer Wars with Cola Wars, too....I'm wondering why
>Pepsi, Coke, etc aren't sponsoring cars....

Coke DOES sponsor a car:  Mello Yello is a Coke product.  Todd Bodine drove 
a one time deal at Watkins Glen this year sponsored by Diet Pepsi.  It was a 
pretty good looking car, actually...  And you can also look for the 7up decals
on Davey Allison's car...

Also, they both sponsor races.  Ever hear of the CocaCola 600, the Pepsi 400, 
the Mello Yello 500...

I'd say that the soft drink companies are pretty much involved in NASCAR already!

~Paul
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From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Subject: Re: AutoWeek on Patrese's crash
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:18:45 GMT

     I did not write this article until now because I thought that the issue 
had died.  But since it has not, I will throw in my $0.02 worth.  I reviewed 
the incident about 20 times last weekend and counted the time that it took 
Berger to come off the corner until he entered into the pit lane.  The time 
(according to my observations) was about 2.5-3 secs.  This equates to about 100
yards at 160 mph.  This seems to be plenty of straightline driving for Berger 
to have raised his hand to signal Patrese, IMHO.
     Also, if you watch his line off of the corner, he makes no sudden move to 
make it apparent that he is going to pit.  He takes a smooth line off the 
corner that would seem to imply he was just trying to shake Patrese off his 
tail and prevent him from gaining the draft.  I fault Berger in this incident 
and I don't think it can be viewed as "just another racing incident."  Not that
it was done on purpose, but I believe that this falls under the category of 
reckless driving that many lesser drivers have been fined heavily for.  I think
that some sort of fine or disciplinary action is justified in this case.

Deron Wood

2 for Schu in '92
From: rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Auto tranny fluid in manual gearbox
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:27:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Oct14.122740.15969
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.025313.9642@thumper> meier@thumper (Christopher Meier) writes:
>So, does anyone have a pro/con analysis for the use of
>automatic transmission fluid in a manual gearbox for
>racing purposes?  My particular application is the
>Ford 4spd used on their 4cyl cars (don't have the
>part # at hand :-) ) on oval tracks, second gear
>mostly, with no during race shifts.  Maybe this
>winter I'll take one apart and look for problems.

All I can offer is that I'd been around for plenty of NASCAR Modified races
where many teams would replace the tranny & rear end gear oil with auto trans
fluid for the time trials only.  There's been enough times that the rear
ends or trannies would burn up even with heavy gear oil in.  Everybody uses a
cooler to help keep the gear oil in better shape in the rear, but I'm not
aware of any doing it in the trannys.  If you do any testing, let us know
the results!!

Russ
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Supercars out w/WSC?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 21:07:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Has FISA scrapped the Supercar Championship along with the WSC?

I can't believe the state that sportscar racing has become.  IMSA
is having number trouble in the stands as well as the field, and
FISA... !
 
I go to the Road Atlanta GTP races, and it is a GREAT show. For
my money, only Indianapolis is better.  I just love to have a 
lot of time to check out different corners during a race.  En-
durance events cater to that particularly well.      

The IMSA formula for weight classes is correct, and I expect
The fields to increase in the future, especially with the in-
fusion of some WSC teams.

Its really sickening to see the demise of a World Championship.
I would much rather see a field full of turbos, rotarys and
naturally aspirated engines than see ten or eleven grand prix
cars with fenders.
 
Give me a break, FISA!
-- 
      
Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!

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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:25:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <ldu5qgINNqp5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>
>Monza!  But none of the oval has been used in a very long time.  
>
>When they used the Monza oval in 57 and 58, the concrete panels of the 
>paving tended to rock under the cars.  That was Indy roadster versus
>European whatever (such as D-Jags and Ferrari 4.9 sports cars).  No F1 
>cars.
>


Is the final bend and the pit straight not part of the oval?  I
believe a bridge over the current F1 circuit is part of the old 
oval too.  Do Monza have any plans to revamp the oval?

I heard a rumour that Brooklands in Surrey, England has plans to
 build a new oval.  The old banking at this track is awesomely steep
but only a few short sections remained last time I saw it.
Silverstone now has a flat oval near Woodcote, I believe.  It
looks very short. (See aerial shots from your tapes of the British GP
if you can, Woodcote is just before the pit straight.


Hugh
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: pick6-Suzuka
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:57:26 GMT

In article <16014@umd5.umd.edu> amallik@eng.umd.edu (Ajoy Mallik) writes:
>I just wanted to know if the pick6 call for Suzuka has gone out as yet?
>I lost my previous account (dinku@wam..)..& the usual notice to that
>acct. must've bounced...& I have no clue of the adresse of the
>administrators to write to them directly..hence this..:-)
>Please let me know
>
>Ajoy Mallik

You haven't missed it yet.  The Suzuka race is on October 24, so I would
imagine that picks are due in by Wednesday October 21.

BTW, here are the addressed for the administrators:
	pick6@hplsjp.hpl.hp.com
	johnf@apollo.com
	winalski@tle.enet.dec.com

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: potamian@apollo.HP.COM (Spyros Potamianos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Re: Notes from Portugal
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:20:17 GMT
Reply-To: potamian@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct8.111441.1@dac.mdcbbs.com>, sam@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
|>
|> 	[ stuff deleted... ]
|> Second Hand Rumor Department:  Senna is in negotiations with Ganassi Racing.
|>      Look for a possible anouncement this weekend at Laguna.  If this works
|>      out to be true, I can see Bernie and Max going into convulsions!
|>      Imagine what this will do for CARTs international image efforts!
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|>    Robert Arance                       Douglas Aircraft
|>                                        Long Beach, California
|> 
|>    "It's better to go into work slow, and come out fast,
|>     than to go into work fast and come out dead."


Aaaaaah! I can see it coming!!!! In Laguna Ganassi will announce that
not only he hired Senna, but he also hired Prost as Senna's teammate....
Haas will try to hire Warwick, who will insist that his contract has a
clause stating that he will be the one and only no 1 driver, Mansell will
get upset and go to drive in NASCAR, midseason Prost will threat to leave
the team if they don't get Renault engines, and he will be immediately
offered a drive in NHRA, Mosley will take over Indy 500, Balestre will
become the president of CART, Al Unser Jr. will be crowned F1 world champion
driving an Andrea Moda (bought by Ron Dennis along with Ligier, Renault,
Ferrari and Williams), Ari Vatanen will win next year's Indy 500 (the old
group B cars will be allowed to use unlimited boost), Juha Kankunnen will get
interested in Monster Truck Racing, and preparations for the new French
round of the CART series in LeMans will get underway... aaaAAAH!

Spyros "silly season, what silly season??" Potamianos
potamian@hpl.hp.com
From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Lime Rock Park: paving, and NASCAR
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:43:16 GMT
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

Two unrelated announcements out of the Lime Rock Park
road course in northwestern Connecticut USA:
 
beginning on Monday October 19 the entire 1.53 mile
track will have its surfaced trued and levelled, and
then repaved. This is a change from the original plan
to only repave a portion of the circuit. This work
should notably improve conditions for all track users,
i.e. IMSA, SCCA, drivers schools, club events, etc.
 
Yesterday, Tuesday, NASCAR's Busch Grand National
North division ran an evaluation session which got
rave reviews from NASCAR, participants, and track
management. The prospect of a BGN-N race for '93
from the track's perspective is now a matter of
WHEN, not IF.  For a detailed review of the
BGN session, send an e-mail request to me
directly as it runs a bit long.
 
Greg Rickes
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 09:58:06 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    Report of NEW course to be built in S. Florida

This week my mother sent an article from the Palm Beach Post
newspaper concerning the proposed construction of a
purpose built road course racing facility, the article
alleges the proposed facility could be home to the now
absent USGP, an Indycar race and winter testing. The article
was centered around legal and financial problems of the
central figure who's name suddenly escapes me and I've
trown the article away. I live 175 miles north in
Orlando, FL and have not heard a peep here about
any of this from the local media. Does anyone have any
info about this. I really want to believe that it's
possible there could be a F1, Indycar, NASCAR , as well
as IMSA 24 hrs at Daytona and 12 hr Sebring  races
all in the state of Florida. With my parents living
in that area and only being 47 miles from Daytona
I could conceivably attend all of these events with nothing
more than the investment of the ticket prices+beer/ice&fuel.
This could be really great!  Woops, gotta watch that
enthusiasm. This is all based on a newspaper who found one
of Palm Beachs wealthy elite being sued more news worthy
than the possibility of having a F1 world championship
event.
                       Ever hopeful,  Mike
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From: rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise)
Subject: Re: When to step on it
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:57:42 GMT
Organization: MCI

In article <1992Jul23.174255.170@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green) writes:
>Bob Kehoe asked when racers "step on it" (whether they wait
>for the green flag, etc.).
>

....lots of other stuff.....

I've some sedan road racing experience in SCCA.  I usually place
better than I qualify, and I always usually (see below) pick up spots
on the start.  My best start last year was 12th to 2nd between the
green flag and the 1st turn (Summit Point).

In 12th place at Summit, you can't see the green flag go.  Engine
noise and suspension squat are good indicators of a start.  Also,
depending on the class, that puff of blue-black smoke often means
that someone has stepped on it.

Starts are often the hairest and most tense part of a race.  It is
very important to be relaxed and observant for oportunities.

1) Carefully watch your start RPMs and gear.  Its very easy for the
   pole-sitter to creep the speed up and up until you aren't in
   your best starting gear. I try to shoot a little low for the
   gear so I can concentrate on manovering at the start without
   having to shift.  

I was racing a 300ZX turbo in one of my first races, and hit the rev
limiter on the start.  On the Nissan, the rev limiter cuts the engine
out for a few second when you hit it.  I got to watch cars blow past
me while I _coasted_ on a green flag!  Argh!

2) Know the track and what line people like through the 1st turn.
   Most starts at Summit point, everyone crowds to the inside. 
   I usually go all the way outside, pass a bunch of cars fighting
   for the inside, and then take a slower outside line through
   the first turn, often two wide.

3) Make sure your tires are hot to go and at proper pressure.
   If its a sprint race, go like hell from the start.  Know
   how the car handles on colder tires.  Practice going out
   hard on colder tires. This is easier for folks like me racing
   on DOT tires than it is on folks running on slicks.

Starts are the most fun part of a race.

-Bob


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From: lcheng@WATSON.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:38:21 GMT

Brad White (white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca) writes:

>...  My friends new argument, is that one usually gets worse
>gas mileage on heavier treaded tires (snow, M & S etc.) then on summer
>tires.  Thus, he argues this proves that the reason racers use slicks is for
>mileage, but we use treaded for better traction...

Just because one event correlates with another does not necessarily mean that
there is a cause and effect relationship between the two; nor can this one
statement be generalized for all similar statements.  Thus, the statement
that heavily that heavily treaded tires get worse mileage may be true
but CERTAINLY DOES NOT imply that racers use slicks to get better mileage.
This is the most ridiculous argument I've seen on this topic.

- Lawrence Cheng
  lcheng@watson.ibm.com


From: raineyd@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Dan Rainey)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:25:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Anybody got the bay area autoX schedule?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Hello there are 2 more races in stocton at the fair grounds on charter
way hwy4. both races are on staurdays ,time trials at 6 and rac
ing at 7pm.
We are racing mini Stocks, dwarf cars, and mini sprints. every week is
always action packed. with good racing



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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:37:44 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu writes about fave (best?) drivers:
 
>Other contenders: Rahal, Andretti (M.), Allison (D.), Waltrip (D.). . . 
                                   ^^^^

Mi. or Ma. ?

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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: NASCAR:  Charlotte Update (BGN Spoiler)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:51:54 GMT

Howdy!
	Since the Charlotte BGN race was on TBS today, I don't think you
can catch a reply of it later.  Too bad, it was an intersting race!
Results follow.....

	"The fastest car doesn't always win" -- poor Mark Martin!  He
had the fastest car, but it refused to go after the mid-race rest/caution 
period.  Clutch went first, then a battery, finally a busted tranny.
	Earnhardt got stuck in the wall by someone not paying attention.
Dale started WAY back in the field -- a setup for that sorta
stuff.  He (3) was the first retiree, I think (the string continues....)
	Todd Bodine pulled the biggest bonehead move of the whole BGN
season.  He was sitting pretty in the points chase when he motored
into Turn 1 WAY too fast and clobbered Dale Jarrett in the hinder.  Both
spun up and taged the wall, both cars out early.  Bodine gave up
at least a million points by falling out that early.
	Most of the top-running cars tried to stretch their fuel and tires
by skipping pitstops during the next-to-last caution.  Jimmy Spencer and
Harry Gant stopped for tires and gas -- they fell back in the line, but
were haulin' ass to the front, passing everything in sight.  A couple
laps from the end, cars started running out of gas, then a major wreck
took out at least four cars.  Presely was involved, he gunned it around
to try to get back to the flag before the leader, and dang near took
out the leader as he came by down the front stretch.
	The lead and second place cars barely avoided the carnage of
the wreck between Turn 4 and the finish line.  Track officials hustled
to clear the debris, and almost made it!  More cars ran outta fuel,
with some kind souls actually pushing empty cars around the track during
the final 3 laps (under caution).  Terry and Bobby Labonte finished
together (3rd, 4th) and Kenny Wallace got a top-5.  The leader started
sputtering on the white-flag lap, the 2nd place car, Michael Waltrip,
nosed up and tapped the leader several times during that final white--
yellow flag lap.  But.....

	Jeff Gordon swerved the last bit of fuel into the high-side 
fuel--pickup and made it across to complete a sweep of the Charlotte
BGN races (and poles!) for the Baby Ruth TBird for 1992.

	Points--leader Joe Niemacheck (sp?) finished a lap (at least)
down, around 15th.  TBS interviewed Bill Davis about who would replace
Jeff Gordon next year.  Davis replied, "Don't that 44 car look good?"
The driver of 44 was Bobby Labonte (?).
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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Oct7.163417.6263@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>Also, will this deal force the hand of, say, Burger King?  Will the 
>hamburger wars spill over to motorsports?  Either way, it's good for the
>fans, as this involvement means racing continues.

  It was only a year (or two)ago that In-&-Out Burgers sponsered 2 Funny
 cars in NHRA.

  -Dan
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