HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Gay Oscars (Jodie Comes Out)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 03:24:54 GMT

In <32590071@hpmwfab2.HP.COM> mdrayton@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Mike Drayton) writes:

   Re: Jodie Foster's 'almost' speech
>I hope some day she will.  Three Oscars ought to supply some sense of
>security.
   Sorry Mike but a truck load of Oscars won't cut shit in the boardrooms
   and backer billfolds of Hollywood.

   We will have to go through the sacrificial lamb, whoever that may be,
   before Hollywood will move on this issue.

   Hell, Rock Hudson's death hasn't made it any easier for the HIV+
   people in the industry.  What makes you think 3 oscars, which are
   only important to the industry as it translates into box office
   bucks, is any insurance?

   If Jodie or anyone else 'came out', I don't think you would see
   much of them in the future.  After all, isn't Harvey Firesteen (sp)
   the darling of Hollywood?   NOT.
-- 
"Closets are for clothes" 
"Those who don't know are terminally stupid or virginally new"
"I should have known it was doomed.  I don't like tea."  -Tea for Two
L. D. Stratton   larry@bradley.edu   (309) 693-8500 when all else fails
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Subject: Re: Mormon pamphlet: "For Young Men Only"
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 09:20:54 GMT

In article <rg5r9INN4fj@agate.berkeley.edu> gnn@manray.Berkeley.EDU (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>Hmm. Don't know about stereotypes but from what I have seen and heard
>of the Mormon's they're a pretty scary bunch.  They just ruled
>recently (like in the last 50yrs) that "god" had forgiven the blacks

More like when the ERA was up for a vote....

>for the sins that he turned them black for and they are now allowed to
>be Mormons too.  Sporting don't you think.

As I heard it from my politics-junky friends, the deal was that if the
few black state congresscritters joined with the Mormon bloc to
prevent Utah's ratification of the ERA, then there'd be a revelation
that would enable black folks to enjoy the considerable economic
advantages of being members of the ingroup in the theocracy.

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:16:32 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

 >jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
  >>How about: "Mara looks after Mr. Dyer, while Jeff sees
  >>to the comfort of Mr. [Looks-Brains-Beauty] Parkinson"?
 >J.N., you dropped _my_ first name!  Why?

He didn't want to hurt my feelings.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: BR.SJE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Steve Eastman)
Subject: Re: Evolutionary reason for homo/bisexuality?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:18:54 GMT


Folks:

  In article <xrpjqmj.rich@netcom.com>,
rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:

>[...] Some of my speculations, without any scientific
>justification:
>
>* A clan with some adult non-parents fares better because they tend to
>act as "parents-at-large", being able to work more for the clan's
>benefit rather than in a more narrowly defined family unit's benefit.
>

In many cultures the "doctors", "lawyers", shaman, priests, etc.. spend
their entire lives on their professions to the exclusion of family.  The
clan tends to select special people who are "called" to serve in these
capacities.  Who better than a person who will not have children of their
own.  Also, it may have been, before recorded history, that Homos adopted
the unwanted, misfit, or orphaned children.

>* Altruism is a behavior that helps a clan.  People are somewhat more
>likely to exhibit altruistic behavior toward those to whom they are
>sexually attracted; bisexual inclination therefore helps activate
>altruism.

Many priests in todays complex societies become priests.

>
>* A tendency to homosexuality is linked with a higher sex drive in
>general, leading bisexual males to have more offspring than strictly
>heterosexual males.

Actually it is probably more likely that both homos and hetros, men and
women, experiment with all kinds of sex and will "naturally" happen upon
that warm moist combination that results in all form and manner of
offspring.

>
>* Sexuality cements pair-bonding, which is of great survival value, and
>the presence of homo- and bisexual people allows a clan to pair up more
>effectively when one sex is depleted for some reason.  Thus when male
>M1 and female F1 have children, and (say) M1 dies, and F1 pairs up with
>female F2, F1's ability to have a motss partner helps her existing
>offspring survive.

Why limit to "pair-bonding"?  What's un-natural about 3-ways or N-ways where
N is large?  Maybe we need a new definition of the word "family".  Why did
we ever let the fundies take it over?

>
>* A tendency to homo/bisexuality is inseparably linked to intelligence.
>(I like this one.  :-)

Oh yes.  That's it.  never mind.

>
>Any comments?
>
>--Rich
>
>(Btw, can one hope that anyone who would jump in exclaiming that
>homosexuality is unnatural, though it _obviously_ occurs in [human]
>nature, won't believe in evolution either?)


  Steve Eastman
  Research Libraries Group, Inc./Stanford University

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:05:05 GMT

stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger "Doubting Thomas" Klorese) sniffs:
>>I doubt that I'd choose to visit San Francisco.

>Roger, please!
>It's _not_ a choice, it's an orientation!
>And although it took me over twenty years to "come out,"
>I'm glad I did.
>It makes life so much easier not to live in a charade.

	Perhaps, ***but*** not NEARLY as much fun!

	!!!DING!!!!!

[Announcer: The phrase for the audience at home is "Stealth Lesbian"]

team:	TWO WORDS
	First word
	One Syllable

	sounds like --- uh, uh, uh, money...  um wallet, no bigger,
um safe deposit box!, no  um,....  CD, IRA, um... 

	Doctor, socialized medicine?
	health care --- health!  soundzlike health... um bealth 
dealth, fealth, gealth, jealth, kealth, lealth, LEATHWER?  mealth,
nealth, pealth, quealth, realth, seealth --- llonger? shealth, skealth,
smealth, svealth, stealth... Stealth?

	Second Word
	Three syllables...
	First syllable

	sounds like, opposite of... more... les...
stealth les.....

	DING!  I'm sorry your time is up...  Don Pardo (a lcloset
case who took it so seriously no one ever saw him!) tell the contestants
what they've one.....

NEXT WEEK:  we play Name that Tune with ITalian Opera:

	"I can name that area in three warbles!"
	"NAME that aria!"

BBC
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:22:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>As some of you may remember, one of my New Year's resolutions was to become
>more butch (another was to flirt more).


*flirt flirt*



>politically correct, so I bought some.  I also started looking for some
>cowboy boots. 

cowboy boots are not what you need.  You need motorcycle boots or army
boots... Really...


>After looking at hundreds of boots, I decided that they fall into one of 
>three categories: 
>
> 1) Ugly 

all cowboy boots are ugly.


> 2) Uncomfortable

All boots are uncomfortable for the first few weeks.  Once they are
broken in, they are very comfortable.


> 3) Expensive 

Those silly pump shoes are expensive.  Boots at least last forever.


>I decided that the color problem could be fixed, so I bought them and took
>them to the shoe shop to be dyed. 

black, I hope...


>So today I have a like-new pair of boots with a wonderful leather/polish
>aroma.  But you know what?  You don't walk in boots the way you walk in
>shoes.  I don't have the hang of it yet.  I feel like I'm going to fall
>over, and I probably look like someone who is trying to look butch, but not
>succeeding.

cowboy boots are leather bottomed.  Because of this they are slick. 



>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?


Well, I recommend different boots.  Then, you can walk like me! 


Ah, boots... Why would one wear anything but?



FWA
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: poopy mail feed
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:52:00 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Just thought I'd shout it to the world...
Found out earlier this week that the mail feed around here's been acting
up, so if you've sent me something or if we've been correspoding and I
haven't responded, feel free to mail me again.

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
exit
Xref: sparky soc.motss:19859 soc.bi:4343
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: postcard mutilations?
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:02:05 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

My housemate Andy recently got back from the post office a mutilated
shred of the "yes I'm glad to be gay" postcard he sent to Ann Landers.
The post office says it was accidentally damaged in transit.  We suspect
that it was homophobic vandalism.  Has anyone else had a similar
experience?

-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:44:07 GMT

Mark Morrissey (markm@ogicse.ogi.edu) brogued:
 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >
> >...if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, 
> >Norwegian way.
> 
> Ya sure, ya betcha, Arne.  Would ya be bringin' some ludefisk to the
> con, now would ya?

Yahoo, and it's on to international food-a-rama!

The only Norwegian riddle that I know [well, that I can
tell in public without offending the Swedes]:

	What did the Norwegian say when he saw his first pizza?

--jns  [Welsh/German mostly, if anybody's interested]
From: sgw@boy.com (Steven Warner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:35:27 GMT
Organization: Beach Systems / RTFM UN*X Solutions, Sunnyvale, CA, USA

In article <56927@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
>Ah, but I log onto Portal via PC Pursuit, George.  Every penny/minute
>I save not downloading homophobic nonsense is a penny/minute I can spend
>PC Pursuiting elsewhere.  Therefore, these morons are wasting both
>my time *and* my money.

Someone mentioned netcom, which I think is about $1.00 a more per month
more than portal.  But you get a lot.

Spend a few hours learning the remedial unix commands necessary to read
news, and in no time you will be up and running.

A carefully tailored kill file can delete everything from artimus
(if thats what you really want).

But that aside, you can use some cool newsreaders (like TRN) that
can wade thru 500 articles in 30 mintues.  This seems to be a better
way (for me anyway) to filter through the crap dropped on us
by page, ken, et al.
----
 Steven Warner                 " you can tell a man by his shorts "
 34W   sgw@boy.com  ||  uunet!boy!sgw
 36L   sunnyvale, ca, usa
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:27:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr14.002734.4587
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr13.234442.18388@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
>> I'm still waiting for SOMEONE to get offended at my .signature that
>> reads "Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller".
>> That'll be a good one to explain.
>Ok then, explain it, but it had *better* be good.  

Actually this very quote was hashed out on soc.motss awhile ago - at
least a year. It comes from a Reed college bathroom wall. Reed tends
to have fairly interesting graffiti.

What does it mean? I've got no idea. It's funny, though.

>but I guess I could pretend to be offended if it  would help:
>Oh, and Minor [sic], where the hell do you get off saying
>  "Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller"?
>That's so fucking offensive!  Just eat shit and die, scum!

I'm offended not ONLY that you didn't spell my name correctly, but
that you neglected to infer the original Czech spelling, thereby
denying my European heritage. From henceforth I demand that if you
refer to me by my family name, you use it properly - "Mlinar". Yes,
it's pronounced /Mine er/, but it has an "l" in it.

Thank you.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     You can't have the revolution without good typesetting
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 8 Apr 1992 11:50:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.200446.26851@ads.com> 
henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote: 
| ->+ [...] El Paso doesn't understand what "gay community" means.  ... 
| ->
| ->These are all *splendid* reasons for holding a motss.con in El Paso.
| ->While I wouldn't feel like shaking those timid souls up on my own,
| ->I would love to do it with a whole slew of motsseurs/motsseuses.
|
| what a *bad* idea for a gathering.  this isn't why motss-cons happen,
| as far as i can tell ... people go to motss-cons to meet the faces
| behind the e-mail addresses.

Then does it really matter where motss.cons are held?  You seem to be
suggesting that we look at a map and find the place most easily accessible 
to everyone concerned and hold the con there.  Perhaps even hold it
in the airline terminal -- why *bother* going into town.  We're here
to look at each other, after all.

| ->Can you imagine 50 or so of us descending en masse and taking over
| ->a normally dreary little El Paso queer club for an evening?  I think
| ->it would be faaaaa-bulous.
|
| ... and i think it'd be a tragic bore. 

One is as boring as one wants to be.

Arne
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:16:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32732
Organization: Tachyon Labs


In article <1992Apr9.082607.14630@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Why do women own so many more shoes than men, on the average?

Well, once you get boots in every possible style and color, and
high-tops in every possible style and color, that adds up to a
fair number.

How to walk in them?  Well, as having so many means that you 
never have a chance to build up the right calluses for any 
particular one of them, you should walk as little as possible!
Instead, just sit next to someone and let them admire your
boots.  :-)

A woman who came over last night had some of the most fabulous
handmade boots ... they laced up asymmetrically and had all
sorts of colors and cut-out shapes.

-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
|      tachyon@ucscb.ucsc.edu \        /__   One of the Bivariant Illuminati |
|         tachyon@gorn.echo.com \    /   / I only like sigs on *other* people|
|tachyon@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us \/   / I should go log off and get to work!|
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL? (WHY OR WHY NOT?)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:19:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr17.201938.14933
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <farenebt.703537702@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
>Do you think outing is ethical? WHY OR WHY NOT?
>				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who cares?

Now fuck off.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:04:45 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) said:
  >>On the one hand, it seems appealing to organize a lesbigay event
  >>around a city's Pride events.  Please consider, though, that
  >>this will require asking many possible attendees to miss the
  >>Pride March in their own cities.  For some this may not be
  >>an issue at all, but I think it is worth factoring in to
  >>a proposal.

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) responds:
 >Dearest, this is *THE* *NEW* *YORK* *CITY* *PRIDE* *PARADE*, and
 >there's nothing that quite compares as those who saw me skipping down
 >5th avenue in my red bikini briefs pushing the radical faeries
 >shopping cart can attest.  

You mean I missed _that_ by going to Toronto?  Sigh...
I guess that's what Steven meant, isn't it?

I'm suggesting a NY/NJ "non-con" for this year's pride:  not a
proposal to compete with the Portland con (which I plan to attend),
but a way for people who want to be around NYC for Pride Weekend
(the last weekend in June, I'm advised) to get together with each
other and with the locals.

Details to be forthcoming.  This week has been complicated by
a sudden rush of family administrative chores (unrelated to taxes,
as it happens) complicated by a summons to jury duty starting next
Monday.  :-(




-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:02:56 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
> Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
> is a sign that we are winning.

i don't understand this statement.  madonna is exploiting queer
culture for her own gain not ours -- how do you figure that means
that we're "winning"?  advertising has been homoerotic for decades.
the theory is that it plays on unconscious desires and identifications,
but i see no connection between that and the queer movement.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: James Binder <jbinder@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:14 PDT
Subject: IGLHRC EMERGENCY RESPONSE NETWORK
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475900050:000:2886
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jbinder    Apr 16 18:14:00 1992


EMERGENCY RESPONSE NETWORK

of the

INTERNATIONAL GAY AND LESBIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION

540 Castro Street

San Francisco, CA  94114

Phone: (415) 255 86 80

Fax: (415) 255 86 62

Have you ever considered what it's like to be a sexual minority

in another country where your basic human rights are not

guaranteed? Around the world, gay men and lesbians are murdered

by paramilitary death squads, jailed, have thier publications

censored or suppressed, lose custody of thier children, are

denied jobs and housing and the right to form organizations.

These types of flagrant, and often violent, discriminatory

practices occur too often without any international concern or

protests.

The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission

(IGLHRC) is dedicated to researching and documenting human rights

abuses against gays, lesbians and other sexual minorities around

the world.  We are currently expanding our Emergency Response

Network for the express purpose of bombarding the offending

parties with letters, petitions, postcards, phone calls and

demonstrations.  Our hope is that one day soon, if a gay

bookstore is closed, if a gay newspaper is censored, if our

fellow homosexuals are incarcerated for their sexual activities,

we can be there in solidarity to provide a much needed voice of

protest from the four corners of the earth.

This is an exciting time in which we live, and we can surely make

a world of difference to those less fortunate than ourselves.

These people need our support; they need to know that someone

cares about their externally-imposed predicament. You can make a

difference by getting involved and making a simple, yet

significant contribution.  Letter writing campaigns have been,

and continue to be an extremely effective means for promoting

change worldwide - particularly with respect to human rights

abuses against sexual minorities (whose rights are rapidly

gaining legitimacy internationally). This is an ideal chance to

utilize our Western influence in both a positive and appropriate

manner.  Writing a letter is the easiest way to contribute to a

worthy cause on behalf of our brothers and sisters around the

world.  We strongly urge you to join us in making an impact on

the future of sexual minorities everywhere.

We invite you to participate in this important, meaningful and

ongoing Emergency Response Network.  Action Alerts will appear

monthly in the conference queerplanet.  If you are interested in

participating in any or all of these actions please write the

person(s) indicated and pass the information on to other

organizations or individuals.  Please send us copies of any

letters you send either through the network or mail.  If you

would like to receive the Action Alerts through the mail please

leave your address and we'll include you on our list.

Jim Binder (jbinder) for IGLHRC
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bailar el Flamenco (was Different Cultures)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:22:27 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

>wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells) wrote
>
>>Another fallacy is the one about the rose.  Why would people want to put a 
>>(nevertheless beautiful) thorny stem in their mouth ??

For dancing the Masochism Tango, of course.

--
                 David R. Preston      drp@dosbears.uucp
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@a8.ima.umn.edu (Frank Elliott)
Subject: Re: Young, Gay actors?
Organization: ima
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:28:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.185510.1328@wkuvx1.bitnet> jenkirj@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Anyone have a list of young, gay actors?  (Not porn actors, and under 30)
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^
Bitch! 
>
>I am curious as to who is out that I don't know about?
>
>Thanks,
>RJ
-- Frank