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From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Subject: Re: Two questions about CD quality...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:59:55 GMT

In article <ICEPICK.92Apr12234400@edwards.WPI.EDU> icepick@edwards.WPI.EDU (Icepick) writes:
>
>     One of my friends recently told me that when you order cd's from
>clubs like Columbia House, you're getting cd's of poor quality.  Is
>this true?  He said that they get the rights to reproduce the music
>and then use second or third generation masters to do so.
>
>     Also, I noticed that one of the cd's that I bought the other day
>looks very strange underneath.  It's almost as if someone dropped some
>oil on it and it spread out unevenly on the cd.  Whatever it is, it is
>inside the plastic coating.  Does this affect the quality of the cd?
>It seems to play right now, but will it be ok a few years from now?
>
>icepick@wpi.wpi.edu

Was the CD you got from Columbia House?  I got the YesYears box set from there
and two or three of the discs have that oil type effect on the play side.  They
play fine as do a couple other CDs I have that have the same effect but didn't
get from Columbia House.  BTW, I don't think CH use 2nd or 3rd generation
masters to produce their CDs, someone brought up a good explanation a while
ago why they don't but I don't remeber it...

Rob

-- 
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martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)

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From: blochc@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (charles bloch)
Subject: Re: THE WALL
Keywords: ALBUM
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 02:44:48 GMT

In article <4586@unccvax.uncc.edu> ee00shc@unccvax.uncc.edu (SHAILESH CHINCHALKAR) writes:
>* If I was given a choice of having  ONE AND ONLY album(CD/Cassette) in my
>  collection then undoubtedly I would have chosen THE WALL.

I have only one word to say to that: no way.  Be more specific.  If
you had only ONE CD which would it be, disc 1 or disc 2 from THE WALL.

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From: lance@pagoda.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Lance Burk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Fourth Esate
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:07:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Natural Resources, CSU, Ft. Collins, CO.

Fourth Estate is an exellent new band from Fort Collins, Colorado. They
are very tallented individuals and very tight as a band, some of the 
best I've heard in a long time. They are all insrumental, Rock-Alternative.
Well, they just came out with a cd entitled, "Finesse and Fury", this is 
the first recording ever to feature the newest technology in guitars, which
is the self-tuning guitar, also developed here in Fort Collins. The only 
other person to have one of these guitars at this time is the great Jimmy
Page, Who willsoon be releasing an album featuring this guitar. Well any way 
back to Fourth Esate, try to listen to this band, I think you will find them 
truely amazing.  Their booking agent is Impetus Events P.O. Box 8144, Fort
Collins, Colorado 80526.

                      Later-
From: icepick@edwards.WPI.EDU (Icepick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Two questions about CD quality...
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: edwards.ICEPICK.92Apr12234400
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280


     One of my friends recently told me that when you order cd's from
clubs like Columbia House, you're getting cd's of poor quality.  Is
this true?  He said that they get the rights to reproduce the music
and then use second or third generation masters to do so.

     Also, I noticed that one of the cd's that I bought the other day
looks very strange underneath.  It's almost as if someone dropped some
oil on it and it spread out unevenly on the cd.  Whatever it is, it is
inside the plastic coating.  Does this affect the quality of the cd?
It seems to play right now, but will it be ok a few years from now?

icepick@wpi.wpi.edu
From: cpry_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Lenord Cohen bootlegs wanted
Summary: Looking for Lenord Cohen Bootlegs
Keywords: Need Bootlegs
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:00:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I'm looking for some Lenord Cohen Bootlegs.  If anyone has some or knows where 
I might be able to find some please e-mail the info. or post a follow-up articleI've been looking for a friend and have yet to find any.

If you have any info. or ideas please e-mail to the address below-
(tony)  76635.616@Compuserve.com

		Thanks,

			Chris

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From: warrior@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Gary Carter Inc.)
Subject: CD Boots wanted
Reply-To: warrior@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:53:24 GMT

Used or new of...
Little feat
Black Crowes
Rush
The Who
Yes
Asia
ABWH
etc.
thanks a lot....
From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: It's A Beautiful CD
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:41:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: exodus.ku0oogINNmsi
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: scofield.corp.sun.com

In article <8661@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy) writes:
>
>a few years ago, Its  A Beautiful Day on CD cost an arm and a leg
>in the US, strange tales of Laflamme(?) controlling a small number
>of CDs, and fleesing everyone within sight.
>
>is this still the case?  it seems to have been available in Germany
>from 1988 freely (well, not FREEly, but cheap(ish)!).
>

I still see it in the bins at a price about $8 higher than normal (new) releases.
And that first album is priced about $3-4 higher than the second album,
"Marrying Maiden", on the same label (not Columbia but some local outfit in
the Bay Area).  So it seems pretty clear that whoever is controlling these
albums, they are intentionally gouging on the one that people are more
likely to want.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Repost: RARE CDs FOR SALE!!! (over 800 CDs)!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:59:24 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
Keywords: NIRVANA, PINK FLOYD, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA

In article <7!zjh8m@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
>
>> First, to equate selling bootleg CDs with selling drugs over the net is the
>> most asinine thing I have ever heard.
>
>Why?  Selling drugs is illegal, and selling bootlegs is illegal.

So is spitting on the street in some areas, or jaywalking, or adultery,
or a dozen or so other things that I doubt would be considered as bad as
selling drugs.  Selling bootlegs may be illegal, but it doesn't tend to
leave people dead, ruined, or cause them to kill other people.  I have
to agree with John that the equating part is pretty stupid.  Now, whether 
he should be doing what he is doing is another question...

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" Strange how laughter looks like crying
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  with no sound.
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  Raindrops taste like tears, without
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||  the pain."
From: jain@cs.cornell.edu (Neel K. Jain)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: MFSL's Quadrophenia
Keywords: Who, MFSL, Quadrophenia
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr14.210820.6758
Followup-To: cornell!jain
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY


Hi

All the "regular" Quadrophenia CDs I've heard have had a high pitched tone
in the background. Does the MFSL disc?

Neel Jain
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 02:17:32 -0400 
From: "John A. Fedak" <jf3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Cross/Roger Taylor (Queen)

Yo,

Try Goldmine magazine.  You can find it a most better music stores. 
(i.e. NOT chain stores).  It should have ads for a few dozen places you
can order the Cross albums.

Goldmine may have the Taylor solo's.  You might have better luck in a
used record shop.

And for all the latest Queen news: subscribe to one of the Queen Message
Services.  Send mail to com@spacsun.rice.edu for more info.

       -Feds


*****************************************************************************
*     John A. Fedak    *                                                    *
* jf3c@andrew.cmu.edu  *            Freddie Mercury   1946-1991             *
*                      *                                                    *
*****************************************************************************
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <35091@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
> 
> For starters...companies like Great Dane and Yellow Dog who put out high
> quality bootlegs pay enormous amounts of money to acquire some of the tapes
> of the shows.  The new Yellow Dog "Get Back" CD by the Beatles has 8 bonus
> tracks on it that someone paid upwards of $10,000.00 for.  I think my prices
> are very fair...you can go to your local record store and buy a legit CD
> by your favorite group and pay $15.00 for 10 songs and get ripped off.  What
> is wrong with paying a little extra for material that is rare and in most
> cases VERY GOOD.

What makes you think $10K is an enormous amount of money for a
commerical activity or the fact that some investment justifies
bootlegging?

All that kind of money guarantees is that there will be guys in
the audio end of the industry salting away "private" copies of
soundboard tapes and studio masters for a few extra corrupt bucks,
nevermind that they are getting paid for the work.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Desert Moon, Dennis Deyoung ???
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:49:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sam@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Chen) writes:


>	Please help me !!! I am still looking for the song Desert Moon.
>	One person on the net tell me it's sang by Dennis Deyoung but
>	when I try to look it up, the same song appear until 4 artist
>	but none of them shows Dennis Deyoung. I am wondering if anyone
>	can help me by giving me the title to the album, whether it is  
>	available on CD or tape, where to get a copy of it or any 
>	information about it. I really want to find one.  Thanks for any
>	response.

 The name of the song is Desert Moon, from the album desert moon 
[listed on the cover in lower case] by Dennis DeYoung.  It was released
on A&M Records in 1984, after he had left Styx.

  The catalog number I have is for the cassette, CS 5006.



-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
--------------------------------------------------
From: bbehlen@petrus.Berkeley.EDU (Vitamin B)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Import CD sales in US -boots-
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:28:32 GMT
Organization: We don't need no stinking Organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: petrus.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr9.125754.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>
>	I would advise anyone purchasing these discs to shop wisely.  Pick up a
>copy of Goldmine and check out the ads.  CD Connection from Germany carries
>most of these import CDs.  I am NOT advising against purchasing from our
>fellow netter.  He has taken the chance on ordering and recieving the CDs 
>though US customs.  You stand an excellent chance of recieving the discs from
>him since the CDs are already in the states.

	I don't think they're already in the states. Some of the more popular
ones may be, but if he works like 3 other U.S. boot importers who advertise
in Goldmine work, he just takes orders, faxes the orders to CD Connection or
an Italian outfit or something, and recieves them 3 weeks later, hoping his
shipments don't get caught. (And a general rule of thumb is, don't make large
orders, since the customs officials would be more likely to open them - so
getting it from them may be _more_ of a risk!) If the shipment doesn't come,
they call you and say it's "Out of stock", and ask you if you want to wait 
another few weeks while they order it again. Hmpf!

>  Whereas if you order direct,
>US customs may cease the shipment and you lose everything!

	True, but I've never lost a shipment, and I've ordered maybe 30
or so discs, mostly from CD Connection. I've noticed that on the outside
on the greenshipping tag, they usually write "promo cds", and then list
some outrageously low number as the value, like $10 or something.

>Bob Devine
>fshrd@acad3.alaska.edu

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: Near Dark CD?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:50:59 GMT

In article <7412@orbit.cts.com> tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson) writes:
>Is anyone aware of the soundtrack to the movie "Near Dark" is available on CD?

Yes, it is still available on Varese Sarabande. You can order it direct
from them or you should be able to order it at most stores. If you are
interested in ordering dorect, call (818) 764-1172. In all honesty, it
would probably be cheaper via a local store.

>anywhere.  When the T. Dream mailing list was going, someone mentioned that

It is still going stong, mail tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu to be added to
the list.

>they got it easily at their record store, but when a local record store was
>approached about ordering it, they say "nope, can't do that."

Your local store should have no problems as they are distributed by Uni
distribution (MCA).

-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu.
Visit the music FTP archives at cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.143617.16322@predator.vpharm.com>, dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>In article <12141@tamsun.tamu.edu> mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>>
>>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...
>
>WHAT?! This is absolutely wrong. The royalty structure for sales through
>record clubs is sometimes different, depending on how contracts were
>written, but the artists most assuredly get royalties for these sales...
>===============================================================================
>    David A. Pearlman
>Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com

Boy, I'm glad to hear that!!  I couldn't imagine that the artists were being 
that badly ripped off by the club sales, but one never knows.

-Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
From: fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Import CD sales in US -boots-
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:57:54 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



	I have read several of the postings concerning the import CD sales
on the net.  Let me add (if it hasn't been already) that these imports may
be a bootleg per US customs and not a bootleg per customs of the originating
country.  This is not my point though (this is a completely different arguement
all together).  
	I would advise anyone purchasing these discs to shop wisely.  Pick up a
copy of Goldmine and check out the ads.  CD Connection from Germany carries
most of these import CDs.  I am NOT advising against purchasing from our
fellow netter.  He has taken the chance on ordering and recieving the CDs 
though US customs.  You stand an excellent chance of recieving the discs from
him since the CDs are already in the states.  Whereas if you order direct,
US customs may cease the shipment and you lose everything!
	I guess it all comes down to wether you want to pay more for the
peace of mind or take a chance and order direct at better prices.
I would like to add that I am in no way affiliated with Goldmine, CD Connection
or any other advertiser, or manfacturer, or retailer.  Just a consiencious
(SP?) like you.

-- 
Bob Devine
fshrd@acad3.alaska.edu


P.S.  I have ordered at least ten CDs from Germany with out a single customs
      problem.
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Where is Emerson,Lake & Palmer's WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS...
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:31:29 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Apr12.194546.9110@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
thschulz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Schulz) writes:
|>
|>For years I am looking for Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Welcome back my
|>friends,..."-album on CD.
|>
|>Any ideas whether it exists at all? Who has the rights on the album, so
|>that we can write tons of letters to the record company lobbying for
|>a release on CD?

It is available as a Japanese import in the U.S.  Atlantic Records was the
U.S. distributor for the album when it was first released, and they've done
all the other ELP CD releases for the U.S., so presumably they also have
the rights to "Welcome Back...".

--PSW
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:4046 rec.music.misc:14414 alt.music.alternative:3421
From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Heavenly Metal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Record and CD stores in MONTREAL??? (second request)
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:31:11 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Thanks to all those that replied to my last post of this message.

Here's my second plea:

Can anyone out there recommend good record and Cd stores in Montreal,
Canada? I'm looking for both New and Used, CD and Record, Imports 
or domestic, etc. I'm going to be staying in the downtown Montreal 
area, but I'll have a car, so I can travel to outside the area.

I'm looking for Dance, ambient, house, rock, progressive, metal,
and various stuff in between.....

Thanks....
Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: CD mastering plants wanted...
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:41:49 GMT


I've got this really strange idea that I can start a label.  I'm evaluating
the costs vs. risks right now.  What I'm looking for are several CD mastering
plants.  If you have information regarding what they charge, this would be
useful, but otherwise, just an address & phone number would be swell.
-- 
     James Brown, Mark Hosler, Al Jourgenson.  Coincidence or conspiracy?

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown  pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com  ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
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From: ah897@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Lai)
Subject: Help me find Depeche Mode's "Route 66"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:19:13 GMT



I would like a copy of Depeche Mode's "Route 66" on cd.  The
straight version...not the remixes with "Behind the Wheel".  The
version heard in 101.  

Thanks

-- 
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that 'tis the season to be Jolly - Falla La La La...la la la la.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:49:57 GMT

dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>And you think the prices in stores are reasonable??? Consider this: The
>bootleg costs the bootlegger very little to produce. The master tapes are
>usually either free or very cheap. They pay no royalties. They pay no
>studio fees. They pay no promotion. The only costs are the packaging and
>artwork. Probably $1.50-$2.00 each total. TOPS.

>By the time you buy one, you are paying $20-$40. Is that resonable??
>There aren't many other enterprises that pay that kind of return. At least
>not many legal enterprises. Not to mention the fact that a good number
>of bootlegs are pretty crappy. Yeah, your good buddies in the bootleg 
>business are really helping you out.
*----
Every business takes into account overhead costs and risk on top of
the wholesale cost of the product.  Somebody here in CU was busted
two years ago for bootlegging CD's.  He was forced to sell his
music collection and his record store, and he spent a couple of years
in jail.  In light of that, the cost might be reasonable.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
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From: dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Keywords: NIRVANA, PARTRIDGE FAMILY, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:58:41 GMT

In article <35091@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
>
>For starters...companies like Great Dane and Yellow Dog who put out high
>quality bootlegs pay enormous amounts of money to acquire some of the tapes
>of the shows.  The new Yellow Dog "Get Back" CD by the Beatles has 8 bonus
>tracks on it that someone paid upwards of $10,000.00 for.  I think my prices
>are very fair...you can go to your local record store and buy a legit CD
>by your favorite group and pay $15.00 for 10 songs and get ripped off.  What
>is wrong with paying a little extra for material that is rare and in most
>cases VERY GOOD.

$10K is nowhere near an "enormous amount of money" in the world of master
tapes. You'd be hard pressed to find a company willing to part with 
master tapes of any value for $10k in this day and age. Well, at least
any company with *legitimate* claim on those master tapes.

If you go to your local store and pay $15 for a normal CD, you ARE being
ripped off. At discount, those same CD's sell for $11-12. From a CD club,
they sell for $7-8 (with discounts factored in).

To produce a legitimate master a company will typically have spent
MANY MANY times the $10k you are claiming someone paid for the 
"eight bonus tracks" on the bootleg.

Being very conservative and assuming they only sell 20,000 copies of this
disc, and assuming they paid $20k, total, for the "masters," and assuming
they wholesale them for $10 each, that's a return
of $200,000 on a $20,000 investment. Even factoring in production costs
the investment can't be over $40,000. A nice return, if you can get it.
Few in the legitimate pipeline can.

Is this "wrong?" That's left as an exercise to the reader. But it sure
ain't a good deal...

dap
-- 
===============================================================================
    David A. Pearlman

Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
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