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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:44:41 GMT

In article <pzjpnm+@lynx.unm.edu>, pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:

> I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
> time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
> to improve before he made the new movies.  The article this was written in
> was about computer graphics in movies and it showed a lot of scenes from 
> "The Abyss".  The part on Star Wars was a small blurb, so take it for
> what it's worth.

Well, in THAT case, he doesn't have to wait any longer. All he has to do 
is come on down and buy a Silicon Graphics workstation, which is the 
same system that they used for the special effects in Terminator 2. 
They're getting so ridiculously AFFORDABLE now, that the low end system 
is about to enter the home computer market. It's got 30 bit colour 
capability on screen, with an extra 10 bits used for layering effects, 
it can draw 300,000 polygons/second, and thanks to the fact that it has 
commands for ray tracing BUILT RIGHT INTO THE HARDWARE, it can do full 
screen ray tracing on the fly IN REAL TIME, and it's able to process at 
about 100,000 TIMES the speed of a Mac QUADRA! After seeing it (and the 
Mac Quadra) in action, I can believe it. Supposedly, it runs at 100 
times the speed of a Mac Quadra, and it can process 1000 instructions 
SIMILTANEOUSLY, ALL WITH 1 PROCESSOR! It's also upgradeable to EIGHT. 
The base system also comes with 20 MEGS of RAM, and a 1 GIGABYTE hard 
drive. All that can be had for $8,300 CANADIAN. So, do you think that'll 
be good enough? :-) Mata ne.

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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:03:43 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader vs. Jawas (or Chihuahuas!)
Distribution: galactic

Hmm...could even Darth Vader withstand the fury of an unbridled
chihuahua?  I still think the chihuahua would win, paws down.  He'd
mangle that VCR tape up licketty-split.  Laserdisk copies would take
a little longer, thats all.  I just imagined Vader sitting in his
TIE craft in the first movie, and sitting on a chihuahua.  Just like
in Hot Shots.  I need some sleep.

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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:45:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92282.194511EAO102
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Oct8.225211.22284@nntp.uoregon.edu>, dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu
(dann cutter) says:
>
>I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
>doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...

Can you believe this guy?  He thinks that they're going to make
another SW movie.  =)

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From: maeggert@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Elizabeth Barrett Revulsion)
Subject: re: Star Wars Drinking Game
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:56:54 GMT

	Drink every time:
3PO informs us of just how many forms of communication he's 
familiar with

It's not someone's fault

One or more heroes are almost eaten by a Thing

Leia wears an outfit that covers everything except her face and hands
Twice if it covers her neck
Three times if she's almost totally nude

A Jedi is much more powerful than he looks

3PO loses a body part

a woman other than Leia is on screen
twice if she's a Rebel
the whole container of whatever you're drinking if she's an Imperial (don't
worry, it'll nver happen)

Something doesn't work on the Falcon
Twice if it's the hyperdrive

Someone exclaims "No!"

Luke is upside-down

Someone does something apparently suicidal that turns out to be a good idea
Twice if it's not Han

Someone wears the same outfit in all three movies-- it counts if they change
at the end (I think Han counts, although his clothes do change a little.)

Luke and Lando are in the same place at the same time
Twice if they speak to each other

Vader runs into one of his kids and doesn't recognize them
Twice if he tries to kill them

Someone is mind-controlled using the Force

Luke's parentage is Foreshadowed

People kiss

A Rebel pilot is of a race other than white
Twice if they're non human (co-pilots count)

A good guy wears white or a bad guy wears black
Twice if a bad guy wears white and a good guy wears black (for uniforms-- only 
the first person on screen counts)
Three times if someone hovering in between wears gray

Every time you find yourself talking to the people on screen

Luke refuses to take someone's advice

An elaborately made up alien has no lines 

Someone or something tries to get money from Han

-- 
Elizabeth Barrett Revulsion		"I didn't expect a kind of
(maeggert@vela.acs.oakland.edu)			Spanish Inquisition."

							--Reg
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From: jks3900@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Heir to the Empire
Reply-To: jks3900@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:14:49 GMT

Hi My first message, too The Dark Force Rising paperback will (I would think) be relesed in a similar fashion to the Heir to The Empire Paperback ie. When the third book in the trilogy comes out, probably in May of '93
Jara's involvement in Jabba's Palace is, as she told Luke, because she was one of the Emperor's Hands ( The Emperors personal spies around the universe).  Her relationship is found in Heir to The Empire book, (I can't give exact pages -  sorry) when, as I said she tells Luke.  
                                           JKS 
		           	"Meteu, The Mighty Llama"
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:27:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

Keith Schneider writes:
|> mason hart writes:
|> 
|> >I tend to think of Vader's TIE as a prototype for the interceptor
|> >that was introduced in RotJ.  Vader strikes me as the kind of guy
|> >who'd want the best, even if it was experimental.
|> 
|> I don't think that there is really much new technology introduced.
|> I'd like to think that those ships were there all along, but that we 
|> just didn't see them before.  There really weren't great masses of 
|> Tie fighters shown in Star Wars.  There were a bunch on the Death
|> Star, but perhaps the Death Star didn't carry the same types of 
|> fighters.  The Star Destroyers and Death Star were designed to perform
|> different missions.

In the West End Games "Star Wars Sourcebook" they explain that Vaders
bent-winged fighter was indeed experimental, and that it was found
that this wing shape meant the solar panels would be able to collect more
ambient solar radiation.  This was why the newly developed TIE-Interceptor
used this wing shape with one slight modification - the wings needed to have
slits cut in them at the front so that they wouldn't intrude too much into
the pilot's line of sight.  A big arguement is presented in the book about
how the Empire couldn't afford brand new projects (they wanted thousands
of these things, and the pilots needed to be trained etc), so that's why
the Interceptor is really an upgrade, or "new model" of the TIE, not a
completely new ship.  The book also explains that new derivatives of the
TIE were developed as it became apparent they were necessary - hence the
TIE bomber (also making use of the new bent-wing technology).

I'm not entering a cannon/not cannon arguement here - I thought this
explanation was kind of nice!

Sy

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Price Guide ??
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:37:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani) says:

>
>Can someone please post or e-mail me the name, publisher, price, etc.
>of the newest and best price guide there is for Star Wars stuff?

If you can wait until next year you can get the book that Lucasfilm
is putting out with Telarts (I think) that lists ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING
that has ever been liscenced (for SW).

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From: yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Re: Vaders death
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 10:49:40 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu


You're all wrong about Vader's death. He died from one serious effect that
has hounded thousands like him: Dramatic effect.

Deal with it.

Jeff
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Why Endor? OR The Economy of Galaxy Farfaraway
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:04:25 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Oct4.183216.1242@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>> 
>> The Death Star was assembled at Endor, but I think it's reasonable to assume
>> that the materials to build it didn't come from there.
>
>Not necessarily. A couple of asteroids a few miles in diameter would be enough
>for mining the metals and materials necessary to build a 160km space station.

There is, of course, no evidence in the film for either case.  But if the
Empire could build Death Stars so easily, why did they not build more?

>Almost all star systems should have minor planetary bodies suitable for the
>task, and they can be moved cheaply and easily within the system.

Meaning that the Empire ought to be able to build a Death Star in every
star system.  Such Death Stars would not need hyperdrives either.  No, I
believe that building a battle-station of that size is a major undertaking,
even for the Empire, and requires more resources than can be readily gained
from one system, or even from a small number of systems.

>> Another argument: The events of the first film imply that the Imperials are
>> fairly cavalier about blowing up planets.  Tarkin wipes out Alderan just for
>> laughs.  In a Galaxy that only has a handful of inhabited worlds, it seems
>> unlikely that the Empire would wipe out such worlds as casually as they do.

The Death Star was not intended to blow up planets.

Someone is missing the whole point behind the Death Star.  Its job was to
terrorise the citizens of the Empire.  Someone with a book or video handy
can post Tarkin's little speech to Leia if they want, but the key points
were that fear of the battle station was to be a key instrument of Imperial
policy; that this fear had to be inspired by the destruction of a fairly
central world, so that reports of what had happened would not take too long
to get round; and that this is why Alderaan, rather than Dantooine, was to
be the first target.  (The book also indicates that Alderaan had capable
planetary defences, despite what Leia said about it being a peaceful world,
making it even more ideal for such a demonstration.)

>Notice, also, that the entire Civil War seems to be a predominantly human
>conflict. Only in ROTJ do we see any aliens fighting on either side, and then
>only for the rebels. The Emperor is clearly human and his Navy is 100% human
>too.

Remember, the Empire are the bad guys.  Since the worst crimes that one seems
to be able to commit these days are racism and sexism, it follows that the
Empire has to be guilty of both - note that only the Alliance seems to have
females in its command structure as well.

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From: fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Returning Jedi
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:35:01 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <92278.022649MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu writes:
> re: Return (or Revenge) or the Jedi:
> 
> I always thought that the 'return' was by Luke, who so well recovered from his
>... 
> But looking at the title with Anakin (or the Jedi in particular) as making a
> return does look rather interesting...
> ...
> 
> Mike
> ---
 I believe that in French the title was _Le Retour *du* Jedi_ (singular), and
have always supposed that the Jedi doing the returning was Anakin; after all, 
it is he who kills the Emp. and so overthrows the Empire - there was no way 
Luke could have done that.
 In ANH incidentally I think the new hope is Luke - Leia says that Obi Wan
is "my only hope", but in fact it is Luke who rescues her, blows up the DS and
eventually indirectly helps bring down the Empire.
 Just my HO, 

Rich.
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: ROTJ-Lynch, ROTJ-Soap Opera
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.032126.6981@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.030120.7955@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>>
>>	Gosh, you mean relating characters to lots of other characters is
>>*bad*? Damn, I knew I'd been reading trash all these years-- this, whaddaya
>>call it, Greek mythology stuff. Someone better have a word with Ovid and
>>Hesiod and those other hacks. :)
>
>No, relating characters to lots of other characters isn't bad, at least
>not when most of these relationships are pre-defined.  However, when
>you use the standard soap-opera method of taking two random
>characters and deciding that they're related for no apparant reason,
>that *is* bad.  Anyone who tries to compare Ovid, Hesiod, Homer,
>et. al. to the writers of Dynasty and General Hospital should be
>dragged out into the street and shot.  IMHO, of course.


	Wah! (heels-kicking-at-floor and dragging sounds, growing fainter.
Door opens. Door closes. Muffled *blam*.)

	Although (she says, opening the door again with the middle blown out
of her a la _Death Becomes Her_) I suppose I could pick nits with you about
the relationships in Greek mythology being "pre-defined," considering the
evolution of the myths from the collision of matriarchal and patriarchal
cultures. Or so say Robert Graves and other happy loons, at least.

	So what're you going to do, shoot me?

	*blam!*


-- 
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somewhere in between.

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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Hyperdrive multiplier
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:47:58 GMT

	Hello everyone,

	I am somewhat new to this group, but I have seen mentions
of the role-playing game based on Star Wars, so I would like to ask a
question.
   Q: What is the hyperdrive multiplier. I saw figures of x4, x3, x2, x1
      and x1/2. I gather that the lower the number, the faster the speed
      of the ship. What are th mathematics behind this. Also, I gather that
      the x1/2 is equivalent to what Han said in Star Wars- "it'll do point
      five..."    So, any help is greatly appreciated. E-mail is preferred 
      over posting to this group, but not required.

Regards,
Cory Padfield
From: joea@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Mighty Vanguard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:23:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Say what?  You are making a BIG assumption that solar panels today work the
same as they do in the intergalactic society of Star Wars.  This is not going
to be the case.  It's also possible that the solar panels only serve to
recharge the fighter's fuel cells when its too far away from its home Star 
Destroyer and convienently near a solar body.  Who knows?  The panels might
not be purely 'solar' but also collect various interstellar background 
radiation as well.  So, before we 'through' the sourcebook away, let's give it
a decent chance of explaining the advanced technlogy it's supposed to and not
use 20th century standards as a close comparison.  Just my $0.03   Later
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:23:10 GMT

Brian Perler and Brian Panulla write:

> A Star Wars chess set?  Interesting.  Of course, the question is:
> who would each of the pieces be?  I've come up with the following
> (tentative) idea:

         (Brian #1)      (Brian #2)                (Me)
 White                                             ~~~~
 ~~~~~
 King:   Luke            Luke                       Luke
 Queen:  Leia            Leia                       Leia
 Bishop: Han             Han, Chewbacca             Yoda, Obi-Wan
 Knight: C-3PO           Soldiers on Tauntauns      Han, Chewie
 Rook:   R2-D2           Hoth Cannon Towers         R2, 3PO
 Pawn:   Rebel trooper   Rebel Commandos            Rebel Troopers
 
 Black
 ~~~~~
 King:   Emperor         Emperor                    Emperor
 Queen:  Vader           Vader                      Vader
 Bishop: Tarkin          Tarkin, Piett              Royal Guard
 Knight: Boba Fett       AT-STs                     Tarkin, Piett
 Rook:   Piett           Death Star Cannon Towers   Boba Fett, IG-88(!)
 Pawn:   Stormtrooper    Stormtroopers              Stormtroopers


   Maybe substitute Ewoks as Pawns, but then you'd have to use Jawas
on the Imperial side.  Does anyone know if the 2 bishops, knights, and
rooks in the Trek set are identical?  My choice for the SW set would be
to use different characters (e.g. R2/3PO).
   Anyway, just my $0.02 credits standard.

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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lynch directing SW (Re: Cast of 'Prefix' T
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:10:00 GMT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <92288.121109AEO104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <AEO104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Andre Oporto says:

>Lynch's version would have been better, no doubt about it.  Looking at
>Paul's
>
>mental sequences we can see that Lynch would have given us far better
>insight into Luke's rapport with the force,as well as Vader's with the Dark
>side.  Those Furry Maggots the Ewoks and that simpleton villain the Emperor
>would have been much more interesting.  We would have been given a visual
>insig
>ht into Luke's powers.  The cinematography would have been incredible, just
>loo
>k at Dune.  If anyone is to blame for the dramatic weakness of Jedi it is
>Marquand.  If he was not professionally competent to make an incredible film,
>h
>e should not have taken the offer.  We expected the incredible, and instead
>got the average.  Lynch is to blame for refusing, for his contribution would
>have been a gift to us all to last a lifetime.  DEATH TO MARQUAND!!!
>(If Rich is reading this, I am kidding YOU TALENTLESS @#$%%@@!)

Why dont you shut the hell up!  You and your David Lynch this and your
David Lynch that.  The guy does a few corny movies and you think he's a
god?  I'll admit he's a person, but that's all.  Star Wars is not the type
of movie that would have benefitted from Lynch's touch, especially because
of his touch of the abnormal that he needs to display.  This of what Darth
Vader would have been transformed into.  Jabba's palace however, would have
been entertainingly grotesque if they had let him do only that scene.  So
take your David Lynch and stick it up your Twin Blue Velvet Peaks.

P.S. - Sprinkle liberally with smilies for the humor impaired.  Note the
name of the original poster and my name.  =P

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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:06:50 GMT

In article <Bvr9ws.6L3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver) writes:
>lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>> In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>> >Lucas was quoted as saying, "I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>> >something new."
>> >It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to another movie
>> >is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>>
>> Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he?
>> He couldn't. Not with all the SW publicity he's churning out--
>> books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing," and so forth.

>But (if I may play devil's advocate for a moment):
>I suppose if Lucas *wanted* to create a new wave of
>SW marketing/merchandising, just for the heck of it, he could.
>He doesn't necessarily *have* to follow-up this new publicity with a
>new movie; he could simply be reaping further profits from the work
>he's already done!

    Perhaps he is getting a "feel" of how well received a movie would be
from the public, by generating a little stir?

Glenn..........

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