From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:13:05 GMT
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>DATE:   Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:14:05 GMT
>FROM:   T. Jerry Scott <mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
>
>In article <1ifrlmINN4k@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>>In article <C0Fq3H.6nE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
>>Jack Nicklaus is popular.
>>Tom Kite is popular.
>>Arnold Palmer is popular.
>>John Daly is populist.
>>
>>We don't need this in golf; never have; never will.
>>
>I guess Walter Hagen and the old guys never had problems with the booze,
>or does your golf memory not go back far enough.  
>
I've heard of Hagen taking the tee drunk, but he didn't trash the taxi 
or give his ladyfriends a bash on the earhole after an evening on the 
town.  Maybe he did, but I haven't heard of it.  Lloyd Mangrum used to 
get drunk and cry at the bar after losing tournaments, or so I've heard.
I don't remember stories of him taking his motel room apart or throwing 
glasses through bathroom mirrors. Disgusting, self-pitying crying jags aren't 
too unusual for juiceheads.  I was a juicehead and don't have a liver 
left as a result (I'm not dying or anything, so let's not everybody break 
into tears), so I kinda have a feel for what drinking is all about. 

University of Virginia ring any alcoholic bells? 

From Rugby Road to Vinegar Hill, we're gonna get drunk tonight,
The faculty's afraid of us, they know we're in the right.
So fill up your cups, your loving cups, as full as full can be,
And as long as all the liquor lasts, we'll drink to the U of V!

OHHHHH, I think we need another drink. I think we need another drink.
I think we need another drink for the glory of the U V A.
..... and on, and on...

The athletic houses were more along the John Daly lines, but most of us 
could still tell the difference between right and wrong even at the 
brink of unconsciousness.  I guess we just had a talent or something.

>John Daly got his fame in only one year, with only one win, a rags to
>riches story.  It just happened to him.  It came too fast, and he has
>not been able to handle it.

We agree on something, at least.
>
>As far as his Alcohol is concerned, of course, it is a problem; but my
>hope for golf is that John can overcome it.  

And so do I.  He seems very insecure and under a great deal of pressure. 
His actions often seem forced  ("Kill it!" as response to 
any and all questions, whether appropriate or not, for example), and he 
seems very self-conscious at times.  I think he's basically a nice 
person that's got some catching up to do.  He is part of a society that 
accepts what he did, just as you seem to be doing.  I was raised in a 
way that taught me not to do this sort of thing.  He was not.  He needs 
to learn respect for other people, even if they are women.  He called 
his future bride a slut on national TV.  She married him anyway.  I 
feel like John was had, but that's probably going too far for the 
discussion at hand.  (Yeah.  Maybe she had it coming, right?)

>Both golf and John will be
>better off for it.  Golf needs new stars who are different from the Brad
>Bryants of the world.  People need golfers they can identify with.  John
>Daly is such a player, a blue collar guy who slashes through a game
>unlike any others before him.  Lots of Americans out there really like

Well, shit then.  Let's stick some AK-47s in the umbrella straps and put 
some real excitement in the game! 
Unlike any others before him?  Shirley, you jest.

>John's approach, similar to how they liked Arnold Palmer's in 30 years

Not even close, laddybuck.  Did you know that Palmer's face on the cover
of a magazine at one point would raise the circulation of ANY magazine more 
than ANY other human face?  It's still right up there at the top.

>ago.  Arnold had more personal capability in dealing with people than
>John does, but hopefully John will learn.
>
>=======================================================================
>Thomas J. Scott 				mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>Have golfed for 30 years			Now a 3 Handicap

Hopefully.  I still think the root of his violence is that he 
thinks it's actually ok to do that when he's drunk.  It's what drunk 
people are SUPPOSED to do.  Just ask John Wayne (who played the part) or Bing 
Crosby (who lived the part) -- whoops -- little late for that. 8^)  It's 
the American way.  I don't like his chances for change.  And don't sweat 
a thing.  He'll be back, writing off public service speeches on his 
income tax, driving up in a brand new Cadillac to tell everybody at the 
highschool how alcohol and violence ruined his life, then signing a few 
autographs before the endorsements meeting with his agents.  Convincing.

-jim