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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:18:57 EST
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Comments:     Resent-From: Viet Anh <anh@snakepro.media.mit.edu>
Comments:     Originally-From: snguyen@nasamail.nasa.gov
From:         Viet Anh <anh@SNAKEPRO.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      tin-tuc

Forwarded message:

Posted: Mon, Dec 28, 1992   7:55 AM PST              Msg: VPJC-3036-7112/20
From:   (SN:NGUYEN, FN:SUY, SITE:RESTON.SSFP)
To:     SNGUYEN/NASA
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Forwarded message:
****** TIN-TUC KHONG GIAN ******

GALILEO PROBE (TO JUPITER)

     The Galileo probe is being carried over most of the
half billion miles to Jupiter by the Galileo orbiter (It was
launched on Oct. 18, 1989).  At 51,358,400 miles from the
planet, the probe will separate from the orbiter and fly on
by itself.  This will occur on July 10, 1995, 5 months
before arrival at Jupiter. On Dec. 7, 1995, the probe will
slam into Jupiter's atmosphere at 115,000 mph, and
deceleration to about Mach 1 just a few minutes.
     The Galileo probe then will plunge 400 miles through
the planet's brilliantly colored cloud layers into the hot,
dense atmosphere below, making the first direct measurements
of Jupiter.  As it descends, the probe will gather
scientific data about the giant planet's swirling clouds,
violent winds and star-like composition, providing clues to
the origin of the solar system.
     Entry into Jupiter's atmosphere is the most hazardous
in the solar system because the planet's immense
gravitational pull creates tremendous speeds.  At
maximum deceleration, as the craft slows from 115,000 mph to
100 mph, the probe will hurtle against a force 350 times
Earth's gravity.
     Its incandescent shock wave will be as bright as the
sun and reach temperatures up to 28,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
After entry, the fore and aft heat shields of the
deceleration module will be shed by deploying a small
pilot parachute and then a large main chute, exposing the
descent module to Jupiter's hydrogen/helium atmosphere.
     The probe's total weight is 747 pounds.  The
deceleration module weighs 484 pounds.  The inner descent
module carries seven scientific instruments, weighing 66
pounds.
     Scientific instruments will characterize Jupiter's
ionosphere and its atmosphere (composition, temperature, and
density), measure wind speeds, cloud characteristics,
lightning, the important ratio of helium to hydrogen and the
atmosphere's energy balance.
      As the probe passes through Jupiter's colored cloud
layers, its computer will receive information, process it
and transmit the coded signal to the Galileo orbiter, which
will relay the data by radio to Earth.  The probe descent
mission will last about 75 minutes.  At this point, a
combination of extreme heat, high pressure and degraded
battery power will silence the probe forever.

 ******************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: tvnguyen@digi.lonestar.org (Thanh Van Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Someting for my buddy
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:55:55 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


-- 
Thanh Van Nguyen
X2447
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:59:00 EST
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From:         "JFT@NCCIBM1.BITNET" <JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      ** ARMY.MIL E-mail addresses ?? **

Hi,

  Can anyone out there tell me how to send a message to a
address at ????-NGNET.ARMY.MIL.  When I send my message to
an address I know is good it seems to dissappear.  Is it
possible I can't send to these Pentagon/Military addresses
because I don't have access?

  Thanks,

Tua~'n (John).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: lethien@strata.enet.dec.com (NoLordShallStandBeforeMyself,IamDeicide)
Subject: [THO+] Nhu+ Muo^'n Tra`o Tuo^n
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation. Hudson, Ma
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:19:57 GMT


	
	Bud o+i ta ba?o ngu+o+i na`y
	Theo ta va`o mo^.ng chia sa^`u vo+'i ta
	
	Nhu+~ng la^`n uo^'ng Bud dde^? mo^.ng mo+
	Muo^'n cho say ru~ he^'t o+ tho+`
	Ca`ng say va^.t va~ ca`ng go+.i la.i
	Nhu+~ng buo^?i ban dda^`u ta^.p ta`nh ...say

	Co' nhu+~ng lu'c mi`nh say qua' co+~
	Lo`ng kho^ng co`n vu+o+ng va^'n chuye^.n du+o+ng gian
	Lu'c cho+.t ti?nh - o^i bo.t dda^`y kho'e mie^.ng
	Nhu+ muo^'n tra`o tuo^n nhu+~ng ......ua^'t ho+`n !


I_have_always_loved_three_things_and_never_understood:Art_Music_MyWoman

		Vo`ng tro+`i dda^'t do.c ngang, ngang do.c
		No+. tang bo^`ng: vay tra?, tra? vay
		Chi' la`m trai: Nam, Ba('c, Ddo^ng, Ta^y
		Cho phi? su+'c va^~y vu`ng trong bo^'n be^?
                                    -NCT-

Ngo^`i buo^`n ddo^'t ddie^'u thuo^'c tho+m
Kho'i bay nghi ngu't cha(?ng tho+m chu't na`o
Kho'i bay le^n ta^.n Thie^n Ta`o
Ngo.c Hoa`ng pha'n ho?i :
"Tha(`ng na`o hu't thuo^'c tho+m ?"

   L a`m da(m chai Budweiser cho ddo+`i vui tre?
   E m Miller, tra'ch nhe.: anh dda~ say 

   P ho' ma(.c ddo+`i, Becks kia tha ho^` uo^'ng

   T hu+o+ng em nhie^`u, Molsen o+i co' bie^'t
   H o^`n tha^~n tho+` bo+?i Slitz men cay
   I m va('ng qua' Heineken, anh lie^n ho^`i tu bo? "Tuborg"
   E a^'p be^n mi`nh, na`ng Michelob me^'n ye^u
   N hu+ Bia uo^'ng hoa`i ma` va^~n kho^ng say ! 	

		Say su+a nghi~ cu~ng hu+ ddo+`i
		Hu+ tho+`i hu+ va^.y, say tho+`i cu+' say
		Tro+`i say tro+`i cu~ng ddo? gay
		-Da^'t say dda^'t cu~ng la(n quay ai cu+o+`i ?

					-Tan -D NKH-
From: tnguyen@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Thang Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [Refugees] Woman and child burned to death,Galang
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: tnguyen@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Thang Nguyen)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

THUYE`^N NHA^N LA.I TU+. THIE^U TA.I GALANG, NAM DU+O+NG

GALANG, NAM DU+O+NG(Tin cu?a Uy? Ban Cu+'u Ngu+o+`i
Vu+o+.t Bie^?n)  Mo^.t phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam o+? tra.i ta.m
dung Galang -da~ tu+. thie^u cu`ng vo+'i ngu+o+`i con trai
11 tuo^?i ngay tru+o+'c khi le^n -du+o+`ng ho`^i hu+o+ng.
     Va`o nga`y 3 tha'ng 12, chi. Tra`^n Thi. Thuy' An, 36
tuo^?i, -da~ qua^'n cha<n quanh mi`nh va` ngu+o+`i con trai
ro`^i ta^?m da`^u tu+. thie^u. Khi ngo.n lu+?a -du+o+.c da^.p
ta<'t bo+?i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i -do`^ng hu+o+ng thi` ngu+o+`i
con che^'t -da~ ngay ta.i cho^~. Chi. Thuy' An -du+o+.c cho+?
ca^'p cu+'u -de^'n be^.nh vie^.n o+? Tanjung Pinang, mo^.t -da?o
la^n ca^.n. Ta.i -da^y chi. -da~ ta<'t tho+? sau mo^.t tua`^n
le^~ -dau -do+'n vi` nhu+~ng ve^'t pho?ng na<.ng.
     Ca'c nguo`^n tin tu+` trong tra.i kho^ng cho bie^'t ly'
do cu?a vu. tu+. thie^u. Tuy nhie^n nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i tha^n
ca^.n vo+'i chi. Thuy' An cho bie^'t la` sau khi bi. khu+o+'c
tu+` quye`^n ti. na.n chi. Thuy' An -da~ ti`nh nguye^.n ho`^i
hu+o+ng. Chuye^'n bay ho`^i hu+o+ng du+. tru` va`o nga`y 7
tha'ng 12 nhu+ng -de^'n phu't cho't te^n cu?a chi. -da~
bi. loa.i kho?i danh sa'ch ho`^i hu+o+ng. Ca'i che^'t tha?m
thu+o+ng cu?a chi. va` ngu+o+`i con trai mang -da`^y nhu+~ng
nghi va^'n. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: rosalyn@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Ti`m Ba.n
Originator: rosalyn@florida.austin.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:47:11 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin


Ti`m Ba.n Tri.nh Thi. Hu?o?`ng. -Di.nh cu Ta^y -Duc va`o khoa?ng na(m 79-80.
Ho.c Sinh Gia Long truoc na(m 75. Xin thu ve:
                    Nguyen Thi Hoang Thi
                     1701 Spidelily View
                     Cedar Park, Tx 78613
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From: kvt@druwa.ATT.COM (KVT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: 20/20 The long way home
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:23:09 GMT
Reply-To: kvt@druwa.ATT.COM (KVT)

In article <08ly027S30bo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> vqt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Married With Children) writes:
# In article <1992Dec22.200835.14838@news.media.mit.edu> giap@nvl.army.mil (Giap Huynh) writes:
# >
# >   Just have some thought during Holiday Season..
# >   
# >   Did you watch 20/20 last week ? I did and couldn't help but felt
# >   sorry for the Americanized Vietnamese lady and her brother.
# >   What's a tragic. She went back to VN 17 years later, found her
# >   lost family but could not say a word in Vietnamese to her parents !
# >   By the way, did you watch VN Vision of America network ? The
# >   French American INS officer speaks Vietnamese just like "ngu+o+`i
# >   Ba('c" I couldn't believe it.
# >     One thing I can't understand that the lady came here when she was
# >   12 and forgot all Vietnamese language. Even simple word like
# >   "Con Thu+o+ng me." What's a shame !
# >   Well, we learned something about the show....
# >
# >   
# 
# Correction: the woman came to the US when she was 10.  If you think it's
# a shame that she could not remember Vietnamese language, try not to
# speak Vietnamese for 17 years and find out if you remember anything.
# I admire her for having the courage to go back there and find her family
# knowing the she could not communicate with them.  I feel that she
# understands what love is all about !

I agree with MWC that it's difficult to remember your native language
when you haven't used it for 17 years (even when you're adult much less
if you're only 10 years old). What is really moving and Vietnamese is
whatever memory that made her to go back and look for her long-lost
parents in a God-forsaken country and the way she expressed her 
unspeakable emotion through tears and embraces. Such emotional
connections are those that identify her as Vietnamese to us.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:39:35 EST
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From:         Thoai Nguyen <thoai@NVL.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      [misc] vu vo*

Co' khi mu*a ngoa`i tro*`i
La` gio.t nu*o*'c ma('t em
-Da~ nu*o*ng theo va`o -do*`i
La`m tha`nh no^~i u*u phie^`n
Ngoa`i pho^' mu`a -do^ng
-Do^i mo^i em la` -do^'m lu*?a ho^`ng ...


PS nhu*~ng lo*`i tre^n la` lo*`i cua? mo^.t bai` ha't
   cua? Tri.nh Co^ng So*n
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Happy end for the ESTONIAN question (Was: Est
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:56:05 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Michael Kagalenko (mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.175931.24194@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>>You are making a very serious mistake if you are equalling the
>>Estonian diaspora with the Serbo-Croat one. The former are ....
>(educated ones, the latter "lumpen-proletariat")
>
>Not the point. Education do not necessarily reduce bad instincts ( as 
>we can see in this group :)

Then you are missing something quite important. Mikhail Verbitsky
tried to depict the Estonian diaspora as a source of trouble by
equating them with the Croatian diaspora who he blamed for the
war in ex-Yugoslavia (but not the Serbian diaspora!). I pointed
out that the part of the Yugoslavian of the diaspora which have
returned for the war includes significant percentage of persons
of criminal background.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Political Scinece mailing-list, worldwide?
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:17:36 GMT
Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn


 
Hello everyone!
 
Being ralatively new to the Internet, I wonder whether a Mailing List
for students and teachers in Political Science exists, in fact, whether there
IS a certain number of fellow students in that disipline, having Internet-
access.
 
If there is,please contact me to tell me whether there are already Mailing-
Lists in which one can join to discuss politics amongst STUDENTS and TEACHERS
of that discipline and how to join.
 
If there isn't, I find it's high time such a list was created to be able
to exchange views on the ever accelerating "deroulement" of events in the
world today. From what I've seen so far, nothing like it exists up to this
point in time, yet the internationality and the mere speed with which
discussions could take place seem tempting.
 
If you are interested in newly creating such a list, please email me -
ups500@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de - to tell me
 
-> what your preferences of content would be for such a group and
-> whether you'd be ready to help in maintaining such a list.
 
Best wishes for 1993, Markus Schlegel
at RFWU Bonn (Germany)
Seminar fuer Politische Wissenschaft
------------------------------------------------------------------
ups500@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de
 
Views expressed in my article are strictly private and do not represent
views of any institution at RFWU Bonn (Germany).
 
 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Five Swiss languages  Was: Russian Speakers in Estonia
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:53:14 GMT

In article <PFEIFFER.92Dec22100213@cix.cict.fr> pfeiffer@cict.fr (Daniel Pfeiffer) writes:
>But there are
>actually five languages, if you count Franco-Provencal (Romand).  This
>language, close to Occitanian of southern France, which is also spoken
>in southern Burgundy, southern half of Franche-Comte, most of
>Rhone-Alpes including Savoy and the Italian Valle-d'Aosta was branded
>by Paris as a ``Patois'', a miserable dialect of French (which is
>linguistically wrong), a blemish to get rid of!  And the Romand cantons
>fell for this and taught pure Paris French in their schools.
>
>Nowadays this language, which was the second by population in
>Switzerland, is close to death, although some theatre and such
>activity persists.
>

This is a very interesting statement, since I've done a fair amount of reading
in Swiss history and culture, and have done a fair amount of traveling around
the country, and have never come across this.  In which valleys is the language
still extant? (Interesting point: the French name for French-speaking 
Switzerland is indeed "Suisse Romand".  Anybody know where the equivalent
Swiss-German word for the region, "Welschland", comes from?)

Wayne

-----------
Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: ///SAK/// GERMANY, Racism, Symphaty, Other things.
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:52:41 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>any broad support. Populist parties with a more or less outspoken
>hostile attitude against foreigners have broader support in other
>country, like the Le Front National in France or Lega Nord and MSI
>(neo-fascists) in Italy. In fact, if any the political development
>in any Western European is worrying me today, it is the one in Italy.
>Here you find a perfect setting for the breakdown of democracy with

Why would the 'breakdown of democracy' be such a bad thing if the
current system is not working?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
N.O. Monaghan

monaghan@dcs.gla.ac.uk
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Serdar Argic FAQ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:37:56 GMT

malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) writes:

>[for those who have not heard of Serdar Argic (which is quite improbable),
>all you need to know can be found in news.admin.policy recent thread. for
>those lazy enough not to read the thread, let's say that Serdar Argic
>produces about 10% of total Usenet traffic]

 Well, Cosar/Mutlu/Argic will shut up, at least for a while.

>Nikola Malenovic
>malenovi@agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu

 Panos Tamamidis
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From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Happy end for the ESTONIAN question (Was: Est
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:04:21 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

In article <1992Dec24.225605.9076@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Michael Kagalenko (mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec20.175931.24194@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>>>You are making a very serious mistake if you are equalling the
>>>Estonian diaspora with the Serbo-Croat one. The former are ....
>>(educated ones, the latter "lumpen-proletariat")
>>
>>Not the point. Education do not necessarily reduce bad instincts ( as 
>>we can see in this group :)
>
>Then you are missing something quite important. Mikhail Verbitsky
>tried to depict the Estonian diaspora as a source of trouble by
>equating them with the Croatian diaspora who he blamed for the
>war in ex-Yugoslavia (but not the Serbian diaspora!). I pointed
>out that the part of the Yugoslavian of the diaspora which have
>returned for the war includes significant percentage of persons
>of criminal background.

And, according to your post, Estonian diaspora does not include 
persons of criminal background because they're educated etc. ?
Gee, may be in the next post you'll advertise some bridges for sell ?

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: kalin@math.psu.edu ( kalin )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: WAS: The relays clicked, and...--the rest is an exercise to your KILL
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzxH0J.4Ip
Distribution: usa
Organization: Math Dept


	[stuff deleted]

   PS:
   For those unfamiliar with Turkish AI (Artificial Insulter) terminology:
    ARGIC: Automatic Racist Garbage Information Creator
    MUTLU: Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit

	[stuff deleted]

For those who use GNUS on EMACS 3.13 and later:
Create a file in your News directory called KILL
and put in it the follwing lines:

(gnus-kill "From" "sera@")
(gnus-expunge "X")
; this will kill the sera argic trash and you'll never
; see any of it again
;
;
; the (gnus-kill "field" "regexp") where field
; is Subjest or From or whatever and regexp is a keyword
; like Mutlu, lb@blah.blah and so on
; will  take care of most of the recent annoying posts



regards
kalin
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Breakdown of democracy, something good?
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:11:43 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

N.O. Monaghan (monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk) writes:
>I said:
>>In fact, if any the political development
>>in any Western European is worrying me today, it is the one in Italy.
>>Here you find a perfect setting for the breakdown of democracy with

First, I like to make a clarification, since I got a mail about
this as well. I did *not* mean that Italian democracy has broken
down, or even is in a state of breakdown. What I meant is that
the presumptions are precisely the right for it to happen. Still,
I believe there is a good chance that Italy will avoid taking this
track.

>Why would the 'breakdown of democracy' be such a bad thing if the
>current system is not working?

Well, do you think any "new" system would work better? What is best:
corrupted popular elected politicians or corrupted dictators? In
which system do you get freedom of press and thought, and which you
are likely not to?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Most difficult language
Date: 26 Dec 1992 02:31:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <mtf.725234789@vipunen.hut.fi> mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (dalens ande) writes:
>
>I remember having heard that Basque is incredibly difficult and differs 
>greatly from all other european languages (is it indo-european?). Don't know
>exactly why it is supposed to be so difficult, perhaps someone could elabo-
>rate...
Basque (Euskera) is not an indo-european language, so it is
difficult for people brought up speaking one of those languages to
learn it. It does have a fair number of French and Spanish
loan-words, so that might help. Of course, it not being part of the
indo-european family shouldn't be a problem for a Finn :-)

-- 
____________________________________________________________________
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Cosar the porn-peddlar"
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:07:28 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <Bzo621.1BE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>>Yes I do think so, Mutlu is full of crap - simple as that.

>Don't worry "morning the crook" of "dcs.glasgow"; troglodytism does not 
>necessarily imply a low cultural level. 

Well, well..predictable as ever, "Cosar the purveyour of fine Beppin gifs"
of "anatolia.mn.org". zuma.UUCP? What a joke!! How's it going anyway Ahmet?

Troglodytism is FAR too big a word for you to be using.

Still posting the Mutlu crap I see. How many of you are there now in the
"argic cabal"? I'd guess 5 with at least 1 based in England no?

Ah well, must dash. There's far more interesting things to do than read your
crap....like watching grass grow or paint dry.
Aren't kill files a wonderful thing Ahmet?

[Racist revisionism deleted]

Byeeee

Dave
-- 
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The autoreply demon
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>I want to make it clear that virtually everthing in the message to
>which this message is a followup is false, and that I'm merely running
>tests to see if a certain someone is really just an auto-reply daemon.

 ARGIC is undoubtedly an auto-reply machine, whether biological or
not. Occasionally, new postings appear, sometimes even there are hints
that some manual editing has taken place. But reading through ARGIC
postings, it is easy to see that 99% of his postings are generic, with
absolutely no reference to the article replied. Over time, they all
appear repeatedly, at various intervals. Almost all of the
MUTLU/ARGIC database is outdated, having been originally posted prior
to Aug 1, 1992 under the name "Hasan B. Mutlu". Even back then it was
stale.

Michael
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:02:12 GMT
	<TORKEL.92Dec17180935@bast.sics.se> <hberg.283@polisci.umn.edu>
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <hberg.283@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
 writes:

   >But surely the Standard Answer applies to children only, ie, to first-
   >language acquisition.  For adults, the problem is, of course, how does one 
   >quantify 'difficulty'? 

  Not only that, but we must consider what is the adult's mother tongue.
German is a lot easier for a Swede to learn than for a Japanese, etc. It
then boils down to a question of the degree of similarity between different
languages, the assumption being that the more similar a language is to the
mother tongue of an adult, the easier it will be to learn.