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SF-LOVERS Digest            Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992       Volume 17 : Issue 516

Today's Topics:

          Television - Babylon 5 & Station List for New Series &
                       Covington Cross (2 msgs) & Highlander (5 msgs)

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Date: 21 Sep 92 04:38:29 GMT
From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Babylon 5 Magazine Articles (Writers Digest, American Cinematog)

The September American Cinematographer (Twin Peaks on the cover) has an
article on the Video Toaster and its use on Babylon 5 including a good
picture of the station (and a couple of smaller pictures from the animation
done for the show).

The September Writer's Digest has an article by J. Michael Straczynski on
how he went about creating and selling the series.  JMS writes a regular
column for the magazine.

To get on the mailing list for the official Babylon 5 Newsletter
(first issue to be published in just a couple of weeks), send a
POSTCARD to:
Babylon 5 Newsletter
c/o Moonfire Productions
Box 2325
Oakhurst, CA  93644

Lee Whiteside
76044.502@compuserve.com
Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
P14942@email.mot.com

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Date: 6 Oct 92 06:55:42 GMT
From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Prime Time Network/Babylon 5/Time Trax/Kung Fu: TLC Station List

Following is a Post from GEnie that is copyright J. Michael Straczynski
which lists the stations that are part of the Warner Bros. Prime Time
Network that will carry the new series Time Trax, Kung Fu: The Legend
Continues, and the Babylon 5 movie (and planned series).  There may be
typos in this file, so send me any corrections at p14942@email.mot.com (or
to Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com if the other address bounces).

Category 18,  Topic 22
Message 278       Thu Oct 01, 1992
STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 03:35 EDT

   BTW, for those who have requested it...I have the new station list!
(Well, new as of a couple weeks ago.)  One request: there are three station
ID's that don't look right; they have numbers in them, and may be typos.
They're 156 (Palm Springs), 170 (Alexandria, LA), and 206 (Fairbanks).  If
anyone here can let me know if these are correct, that'd be terrific.

   Okay, here goes:

                         PRIME TIME NETWORK
                             BABYLON 5
                              9/11/92
 Stations:  102
 NTI %:  77.96
 Rank Market              Station   NTI %     Affiliation
 1    New York                 WWOR 7.30      * Independent
 2    LA                       KCOP 5.30         unless noted
 3    Chicago                  WPWR 3.28         otherwise.
 4    Philadelphia             WPHL 2.86
 5    San Fran.-Oakland        KBHK 2.41
 6    Boston                   WSBK 2.29
 7    Washington, DC           WDCA 1.98
 8    Dallas - Ft. Worth       KTXA 1.91
 9    Detroit                  WXON 1.86
 10   Houston                  KTXH 1.57
 11   Atlanta                  WATL 1.57
 12   Cleveland                WUAB 1.56
 13   Seattle-Tacoma           KSTW 1.49
 14   Tampa-St. Petersburg-    WTOG 1.48
      Sarasota
 15   Minneapolis-St. Paul     KMSP 1.47
 16   Miami-Ft. Lauderdale     WDZL 1.39
 17   Pittsburgh               WPGH 1.23
 18   St. Louis                KPLR 1.19
 19   Sacramento-Stockton-     KRBK 1.15
      Modesto
 20   Phoenix                  KUTP 1.13
 21   Denver                   KDVR 1.10
 22   Baltimore                WNUV 1.04
 23   Hartford-New Haven       WTXX 1.01
 24   Orlando-Daytona Beach-   WOFL 1.00
      Melborn
 25   San Diego                XETV   .99
 26   Indianapolis-Bloomington WTTV   .94
 27   Portland, OR             KPTV   .92
 28   Milwaukee                WVTV   .83
 29   Cincinnati               WSTR   .83
 30   Kansas City              KSMO   .81
 31   Charlotte                WJZY   .81
 32   Raleigh-Durham           WLFL   .78
 35   Greenville-Spartanburg-  WHNS   .71
      Asheville
 38   Norfolk-Portsmouth-      WGNT   .66
      Newport
 39   New Orleans              WNOL   .64
 40   San Antonio              KABB   .64
 41   Salt Lake City           KXIV   .64
 42   Memphis                  WLMT   .63
 44   Oklahoma City            KOCB   .61
 45   HAR-YR-LN-LB             WPMT   .61
 46   W. Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce WTVX   .59
 49   Louisville               WBNA   .57
 50   Albuquerque-Santa Fe     KGSW   .56
 52   Albany-Schenectady-Troy  WXXA   .55
 55   Jacksonville             WNFT   .51
 58   Flint-Saginaw-Bay City   WSMH   .49
 59   Fresno-Visalia           KMPH   .49
 63   Knoxville                WKCH   .44
 64   Toledo                   WUPW   .44
 65   Syracuse                 WSYT   .41
 66   Roanoke-Lynchburg        WJPR   .41
 67   Green Bay-Appleton       WGBA   .40
 68   Austin                   KBVO   .40
 71   Honolulu                 KFVE   .39
 72   Lexington                WDKY   .39
 73   Des Moines-Ames          WDKY   .39
 74   Portland-Auburn - ME     WPXT   .37
 75   Paducah-C. Girardeau-    KBSI   .37
      Harrisburg
 76   Omaha                    KPTM   .37
 78   Spokane                  KAYU   .35
 79   Las Vegas                KVVU   .34
 80   Springfield, MO          KDEB   .34
 81   Tucson-Nogales           KTTU   .34
 83   Cedar Rapids-Waterloo-   KOCR   .33
      Dubuque
 87   Columbia, SC             WACH   .31
 91   Johnston-Altoona         WWCP   .30
 92   Ft. Meyers-Naples        WFTX   .30
 93   Madison                  WMSN   .30
 96   Baton Rouge              WGMB   .27
 98   Waco-Temple              KWKT   .27
 100  Colorado Springs-Pueblo  KXRM   .26
 101  El Paso                  KCIK   .25
 105  Greenville-New Bern-     WFXI   .24
      Washington
 108  Fargo-Valley City        KVRR   .23
 109  Montgomery               WCOV   .23
 110  Santa Barbara-Santa Marie  KADY .23
 111  Monterey-Salinas         KCBA   .23
 112  Peoria-Bloomington       WYZZ   .22
 113  Augusta, GA              WFXG   .22
 115  Tallahassee-Thomasville  WTLH   .21
 117  Reno                     KAME   .21
 118  Lafayette, LA            KADN   .20
 119  Ft. Smith                KPBI   .20
 121  Columbus, GA             WXTX   .20
 123  Yakima                   KCY    .18
 124  Traverse City-Cadillac   WGKI   .18
 126  Amarillo                 WCIT   .18
 128  Corpus Christi           KDF    .18
 130  Bakersfield              KUZZ   .18
 134  La Crosse-Eau Claire     WLAX   .17
 142  Wichita Fall-Lawton      KJTL   .16
 149  Lubbock                  KJTV   .14
 152  Odessa-Midland           KPEJ   .14
 156  Palm Springs             K4OD   .13     CBS
 158  Anchorage                KYES   .12
 159  Abilene-Sweetwater       KTXS   .12     ABC
 167  Gainesville              WOGD   .10
 170  Alexandria, LA           K47D   .09
 179  Yuma-El Centro           KECY   .07     CBS
 185  Jackson, TN              WMTU   .06
 206  Fairbanks                KO7U   .03
      S. Bend, Ind.

   (The gaps between numbers on the station don't represent missing
stations, but rather their rankings position overall.)  I think the file is
also missing the line on S. Bend, Indiana.

jms

A couple of other Babylon 5 notes: The latest issue of Cinefantastique has
a short article on Babylon 5 and the new Starlog Spectacular has a
multi-page feature on the show.

Plans are for the two series to start airing in January, 1993 and the
Babylon 5 movie to air in February, 1993 with a series to follow in the
fall.

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Date: 30 Sep 92 20:23:14 GMT
From: CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu (Ed Craig)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Covington Cross

   Upper class society is distinctly 1990, lower class about mid-19th
century British.
   I have no more problem with American accents than modern British accents
in medieval Britain, (where do you think we got our accents from anyway?)
but anyone who wants a feel for the second person singular need only read a
bit of Shakespeare or King James Version Bible to get it right.  These
writers didn't.
   Nobody speaks French? The lower classes speak English? Nobody has to
learn Latin? An Irishman is running about as a bandit who actually does
speak English. Nobody speaks Gaelic or Welsh or Danish or Cornish or
Anglo-Saxon. OK, I can accept all that so I can understand it.
   No villain can parry a hero's blow. OK, so the hero's got to win
somehow, and obviously it's not going to be from his talents.
   People get hacked, stabbed and bludgeoned. Nobody bleeds. Ever. OK, we
can't let the kiddies know that violence hurts.
   Every nobleman is literate? Non-clerical commoners are literate? In a
world without printing presses or cheap paper?
   Disobedient children and servants get off with verbal reprimands?
Nobody gets beaten?
   A baron with the right of High and low justice lets a common bandit hang
out in his dungeon, getting well fed, waiting for a royal court?
   There's a woman running around in pants who's not getting burned for
perversion and/or witchcraft? And this one obviously isn't hearing angels
and saints in her head, either.
   I wouldn't mind the problems above, but the plots suck to boot.
   Let me know if this ever improves. I can't watch it as it is. This is
worse than Star Trek's noisy explosions and shock waves in vacuum.  At
least they've had internally consistent writing.

Edward Craig
CRAIG@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

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Date: 5 Oct 92 21:46:12 GMT
From: %apollo.HP.COM@rutgers.edu (Jennifer E. Levine)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Re: Covington Cross

I must admit that I have only seen 2 episodes of the show. However, I think
it has a lot of potential. The concept is good. But the writing needs some
work.  I must admit that last Saturday's show was hysterical (IMHO).

Hopefully, the writers will learn a little more about the period.

Jennifer
jlevine@apollo.hp.com

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Date: 5 Oct 92 00:37:13 GMT
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Highlander: The Series

No spoilers for the series premiere... just an opinion.

I liked it.

This surprised the hell out of me.

For all those who were severely underwhelmed by his role in War of the
Worlds, Adrian Paul can ACT, and hold his own with Christopher Lambert.
Richard Moll, as the Kurgan stand-in, was vastly underused, but had a
tongue-flappingly good time.

The series takes place before the first movie, so there are plenty of
immortals roaming about, and it completely ignores Highlander 2: The Quest
For More Money.  That should be a plus in anyone's book.

Just one question for those who saw it... after the end of this episode,
where can they go from here for the rest of the season?

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Date: 5 Oct 92 03:18:37 GMT
From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu (Dave Lister)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Re: Highlander: The Series

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu writes:
>No spoilers for the series premiere... just an opinion.
>
>I liked it.
>
>This surprised the hell out of me.

I'll second this.  I was watching it with my two other apartment mates and
we were all expecting the worse.  (We were all suckered into seeing
Highlander II and boy what a disaster).  Anyway, it was a welcome surprise.

>For all those who were severely underwhelmed by his role in War of the
>Worlds, Adrian Paul can ACT, and hold his own with Christopher Lambert.
>Richard Moll, as the Kurgan stand-in, was vastly underused, but had a
>tongue-flappingly good time.

I too was surprised by Adrian Paul.  He was able to act and handle a sword
very well.  Richard Moll on the other hand was disappointing, if you look
at the sword fights between Duncan/Connor vs. Slan it is very obvious that
they had to speed up the sequence.  Obviously Richad Moll was a little
clumsy with the sword.

>The series takes place before the first movie, so there are plenty of
>immortals roaming about, and it completely ignores Highlander 2: The Quest
>For More Money.  That should be a plus in anyone's book.
>
>Just one question for those who saw it... after the end of this episode,
>where can they go from here for the rest of the season?

I think that there are a lot of things that the show can do.  From the
opening credits we have seen seens with Duncan in Civil War times and in a
couple other places.  I think they can have entire show dedicated to him at
one time in the past, perhaps as a tie into what was happening in the
future.

The one obvious thing that can and should be donw with the show is the end.
I think the best way to end the show would be to bring back Clancy Brown as
the Kurgen and Lambert again and have it end with the Kurgen killing Duncan
and leading into the very beginning of the first movie.

I once read somewhere that they were planning even a third Highlander
movie, according to the article the tentative title was Highlander III:The
Magician.  This article was written back before Highlander II was such a
flop so who knows.  But, the best way to heal the wounds and allow for
setup for a third movie could be a show like this.  Maybe they wanted
Connor to be able to bring back another immortal besides Ramierez and
Duncan will be the candidate.  In fact the show could even heal the wounds
of the Zeist disaster if they could get all the heavy weights from both
movies (Connery, Lambert,Brown and Ironside).  Who knows but I am looking
forward to the season ahead.

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu

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Date: 5 Oct 92 03:04:59 GMT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Highlander

Just finished the opener for Highlander. The show has promise. If you
missed the opener, watch next week. This could be a good one.

Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-amber!rsopicki

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Date: 5 Oct 92 04:44:39 GMT
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Re: Highlander: The Series

pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister) writes:
>>Just one question for those who saw it... after the end of this episode,
>>where can they go from here for the rest of the season?
>
>The one obvious thing that can and should be donw with the show is the
>end.  I think the best way to end the show would be to bring back Clancy
>Brown as the Kurgen and Lambert again and have it end with the Kurgen
>killing Duncan and leading into the very beginning of the first movie.
>
>I once read somewhere that they were planning even a third Highlander
>movie, according to the article the tentative title was Highlander III:The
>Magician.  This article was written back before Highlander II was such a
>flop so who knows.

I heard this too, and reports said that it would deal with several
immortals who had been buried in a cave-in before the original Gathering
returning to Earth.  It would be set after the first Highlander flick and
before the second (thank you).

Now, the beauty of this explanation is, it implies that there is a way for
immortals to leave the Game.  Maybe the cave-in was on holy ground... which
would be a great loophole, because it implies that if Duncan stayed on his
sacred patch of land, he could have survived past the Gathering.  That way
they don't limit the time of the series.

>But, the best way to heal the wounds and allow for setup for a third movie
>could be a show like this.  Maybe they wanted Connor to be able to bring
>back another immortal besides Ramierez and Duncan will be the candidate.
>In fact the show could even heal the wounds of the Zeist disaster if they
>could get all the heavy weights from both movies (Connery, Lambert,Brown
>and Ironside).  Who knows but I am looking forward to the season ahead.

Better still: Ignore Highlander II at all costs.  Kind of like the James
Bond producers ignored "Casino Royale".  If Connery is willing to come
back, find some other way.  Maybe just title the third flick "Highlander
III: The Apology" and leave it at that.  :-)

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Date: 5 Oct 92 16:46:09 GMT
From: driskill@asylum.cs.utah.edu (Hank Driskill, GSH3D)
Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu
Subject: Re: Highlander: The Series

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu writes:
>Just one question for those who saw it... after the end of this episode,
>where can they go from here for the rest of the season?

Well, I can answer the last one, since (for some odd reason) channel 5 here
in Salt Lake got the _second_ episode instead of the first shipped to
them...

The second episode was very well done... I'm a major fan of Highlander and
often refuse to admit the existence of Highlander II: The Sickening, so I
was very pleased that this is before the Gathering.  Since I missed the
first, I'd like some info on the relationship between "Connor Macleod of
the clan Macleod" and "Duncan Macleod of the clan Macleod"... this is the
only part which still worries me.

The flashbacks were nice here, similar to the first movie (although
admittedly not as well filmed).  The whole episode was very well done, MUCH
better than I was expecting... I'm looking forward to this next week.

Hank

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