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From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:56:55 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <1992Dec26.193847.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.040342.11690@raven.alaska.edu>, floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec27.021416.8710@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@cs.stanford.edu writes:
>>>Michael Adams writes: (No I did not say the following.. Someone else was
>replying to something I said..

The quoted material was attributed correctly to les@cs.stanford.edu who
was in fact replying to what Michael Adams wrote originally.  The original
material from Michael was edited out, but the attribute line left in
for reference... and is correctly delimited with the correct number of
'>' marks to indicate who wrote it.

...

>> 
>
>What it was said that I said is not what I said at all.. 

It wasn't said that you said that, but I sure do see why you
would want to make sure there was no misunderstanding about
the fact that you didn't say what was said about what you said,
and that you didn't say that!  :-)

Floyd
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Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:37:49 GMT

In article <1heflkINNho5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
> 
> 
> In reference to the suggestions about exercising and a
> healthy winter, sounds good.
> Not sure that fishing or hunting is good exercise, probably
> depends on what equipment is involved.
> Also driving a snowmobile at 60 to 90 miles an hour as
> suggested is....well let's just say I haven't seen that
> one in a P.E. class offered down here.
> 90 miles an hour?  must be a great way to appreciate the
> sights sounds and smells of mother nature.
> 
> I'll tell you what I would do if I had control of the
> budget up there, at least for some time Alaska has been
> prosperous enough to have no tax, pay dividends to residents,
> etc.
> So I would build 
> some huge, superb indoor recreation facilities with some
> of that money.
> 
> -- 
> Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
>             looks promising.... |-)
Well more states can do what we have done, they just have to do it.. Its like
savings, take a little of your money every payday and put alittle aside.. Try
to live of less and it will come to you.. Whenyou have enough to to start
playing dividends, then do it.. 


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu


Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: cjg@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Chris George)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on U of Alaska
Organization: Mr T. Fan Club
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:42:29 GMT

down with frats!!!

who the hell needs 'em?

insecure bastards with poor social habits, that's who.
one of the nice things about UAF is the lack of frats.
too many universities stress frats. i've seen too mmany crude, cruel, and
down right mean frat guys at other colleges. who cares if your with the
"in" crowd. we certainly don't in AK.

we can drink our beer on our own time.

-cjg
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: Reality vs. TV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 29 Dec 1992 10:35 MST  

In article <1hq01fINNr8o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes...
{ 
{  I'll throw this out: but do any of the Alaskans on this 
{group lurk on alt.tv.northernexposure??
{  Talk about misconceptions galore....aargh!!
{-- 
{Ted....


Ted--here's a thought. No flame intended :) Why not correct those
misperceptions instead of just being annoyed by them--that applies
to all Alaskans who lurk over there. 

Myself, I am a NEXP fan, but my husband sincerely seeks employ
in Anchorage <he is working on a transfer as we speak> and the
two items <my fan status and his job transfer> are unrealted.

I number among the NX fans who realize that Cicely is fiction,
that it is the creation of LA bound producers who have NO clue
as to what life in AK is really like--but I enjoy the characters
and plots.

It is an endless source of humor for me personally to see
these people who attempt to figure out where Cicely is, who
think Alaskans run around quoting Jung and that Joel & Maggie
really exist.  Just folks who have the phone lines between reality
and fantasy crossed.

A significant number of NX fans are literate, intelligent people
who might appreciate a reality check from time to time--

Just a thought--I'll go back to lurking...
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan Sentiment
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:24:39 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <1ha1obINNsgt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Being a Texan I'm tickled at these jokes... a good friend of 
>mine (also a Texan) was in Alaska for the first time last July/
>August and noted the absence of "assholes" in AK. I also read
>an article on the mail-order industry by a former employee
>of WIRELESS (Garrison Kiellor's catalog) he he stated that none
>of the callers from Alaska sounded neurotic. Go figure...
>-- 
>Ted....


Well I figure (you said "Go figure"...) that Jesse Carr, who was
the Teamster's boss when the pipeline got built, really did require
visas for Texans and Okies...  and maybe they were mostly just
temporary visas, so all the assholes went back where they came
from.

Of course that isn't exactly true, but it did make it a lot harder
to find one after the pipeline construction was finished.  Now
days you can find some at most any Game Management Board (or
whatever it is) meeting.  You can even take your pick of which
side are the assholes.  And I don't think very many of them were
ever Texans either.  (Astounding as that may seem...).

Speaking of Texan jokes!  Did you ever notice the difference
between a pig farmer and a Texan...  (This joke is particularly
hilarious to me, since my employer has only one good supervisor in
the whole company, and he is an ex-pig farmer.  I like to
introduce him as one too.  Funny thing is that's the only time in
my life that I stutter....  He's a "pig f-ffa-fffa-ffaa, farmer".)

The pig farmer has excrement on the *outside* of his boots.

Oh, I almost forgot about the neurotic...  you should visit in
March.  Nobody has time in July and August to be a nut...  the
fish are running and the sun never goes down.  In December it is
too cold (-35 at my house last night) and too dark to do anything
except keep warm in your prefered way.  In March however,
especially if one lives right next to either the Yukon or the
Kuskokwim rivers (which break up and will flood your house in
April) strange things have been know to happen due to "cabin
fever".

(No smilies cause these is very serious stuffs...),
Floyd
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floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Books about Alaska (hopefully with pictures 8-)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:48 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Can anybody out there suggestion any good and ACCURATE books about 
Alaska for me.  With pictures would be nice for curiousity's sake, but
not required.  Since I work in Interlibrary Loan I can get it, even 
from Alaska. 8-)

Thanks guys,
Tammy
From: bdowning@schunix.uucp (Bill Downing)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Books about Alaska (hopefully with pictures 8-)
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:20:32 GMT
Organization: SCHUNIX Public Access Unix for Worcester County, MA, USA

In article <Pwi8VB3w165w@freds.cojones.com> system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
>bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
>
>> John McPhee, "Coming Into the Country", about McPhee's experiences in
>> Alaska. He presents several views of Alaska including state
>> government, Inuits, back-to-nature bush living, and just plain bopping
>> around remote areas. 
>
>*Semantical Nitpicking Alert*  Inuits are found in Canada, you surely meant
>Inupiaqs. *End Semantical Nitpicking*
>
Oooops...sorry :-(...

>
>
>
>
>      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
>            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
> The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
>Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:02:41 GMT

In article <1h42djINNj54@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
> 
> 
> I am curious about facilities or popular pastimes in the
> winter in Alaska.
> Suppose one does not smoke or drink, likes to be around
> clean air indoors and out, athletic, etc., what facilities
> and activities are available in winter for serious
> exercise?
> Are their large indoor swimming and gym facilities in
> the cities?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
>             looks promising.... |-)

If you have a snowmachine here in Nome, you can do alot of things.. But there
is alos the local REC center for athletics..
Nome popular pasttimes are snow machining, hunting, fishing.
Riding a snow machine 60+ MPH for a few hours can be a very execising thing..
Some places you can ride one for around 90 mph or more..
I know in Anchorage there is quit e a few places to do serious exercise.
Be it the UAA Gym/Pool and such. OR Go skiing at Alyeska or Arctic Valley or
any of the other smaller ski places.. Or you go snow machining. 
I know of quite a few more, just can't remember them..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Reality vs. TV
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:18:05 GMT
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:

> 
>   I'll throw this out: but do any of the Alaskans on this 
> group lurk on alt.tv.northernexposure??

I posted there once, talking about how I was actually born in Cicely, and how
there were an incredible assortment of Italian restaurants there.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 14:57:23 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes:

> Or in Anchorage?  And why is it ok for people in Willow to
> build up a false infrastructure using oil and oil money, but
> not ok to do the exact same thing in Akiak?

I lived in Willow for quite some time, but any "infrastructure" went
unnoticed by me. Perhaps you're referring to how Doyle Holmes finally got the
road to the Trading Post paved?

Snowmachine trails all over hell, too... (For the record: I used a dogteam.)

> Maybe the solution is to make everyone in Anchorage burn wood for
> a couple years to keep warm!  Two years later there would be no 

Christ. They'll make us use oxygenated wood. It'll never work.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris)
Subject: wolf "control" cancelled
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:47:00 GMT

for those that haven't heard (and i know that the national media in the US had
wide coverage) the 1992 wolf "control" plan has been cancelled by the alaska
department of fish & game.

so if you were planning on not visiting alaska in protest, please do come...
but when you make your reservations or request travel information, let them
know that one reason you finally decided to come was that the wolf shoot was
cancelled.

================================================================================
dennis p. harris				  bitnet: jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu

  "The nation that controls magnetism controls the Universe." --- Diet Smith
================================================================================
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: ALASKA JOBS FAQ
Date: 28 Dec 1992 07:24 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <26DEC199222521276@acad3.alaska.edu>, jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris) writes...
>FAQ:  ALASKAN JOB MYTHS
> 

FAQ deleted....

Thank you.

Yes that would be a good to keep as a FAQ and periodically repost. But I do
have a couple of other questions.

1.) What about comming to Alaska (to stay) and opening a small to medium size
business?



2.) If so, What kind of businesses do you think would
    a. be successful
    b. be a contribution to Alaska
    c. (any other comments)



3.) What about professional jobs, like teachers, doctors, etc.



4) And now a real personal one, does anyone know if Home Depot has stores
in Alaska?  What kind of Home Improvement stores are there?  Who would
need someone with electrician's skills?

Thanks,
Tammy

Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec27.021416.8710@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec27.040342.11690@raven.alaska.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:20:41 GMT

In response to my remark about Alaska state subsidies on petroleum
products sent to native villages, Floyd Davidson writes:
   Are you seriously suggesting that the above is even a significant 
   factor in the current state budget, the economy, or for that matter
   much of anything else?  The amount of petroleum products used in
   all of bush Alaska is a drop in the bucket compared to what Anchorage
   uses.  [.  .  .]

No, I was not suggesting that these subsidies constitute a major part
of the state budget.  What I was suggesting is that specifically
encouraging the use of more petroleum products but with no emphasis
on developing a sustainable economy in native areas is simply setting
them up for a fall.  If the state is willing to give those additional
funds to the native groups then they should provide the subsidies in
the form of cash so that it may be spent according to their perceived
needs rather than only for petroleum products.

   Also you are not correct about "cable distribution", as RATNET in
   villages is not on cable.  There are little 50 watt TV
   transmitters in each village.  I don't recall one cable system
   that the state has any connection with, particularly in the Nome
   area...

Subsidized TV systems have been built in many villages around Bethel
and I suspect in other parts of the state.

   [.  .  .]
   It could also be argued well that the one area of the state where
   an infrastructure with an eye to the future has been built was done
   so by the Native people of the North Slope Borough.  Not that it has
   been the smoothest transition anyone ever heard of, but considering
   where they started and where the have gone too, they make the rest
   of the state look anemic.

I'm not familiar with the North Slope situation, but if the native
organizations in that area are actually doing something about their
future then they are doing much better than groups in most areas.
All too many native corporations have been taken in by fast-talking
charlatans and swindlers.  Not to mention the state government that
apparently wants to keep them in a state of perpetual dependence.
--
Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Healthy Winter
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec27.040342.11690@raven.alaska.edu>
	<1992Dec27.122041.13308@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec27.154337.11361@raven.alaska.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:00:13 GMT

In response to my remarks about subsidies on petroleum products sent
to native villages, Floyd Davidson writes:
   That's an interesting switch in your perspective from the original
   article you posted.  Before you were concerned about the state
   budget and spending policies and compared permanent fund dividend
   payments and the above mentioned subsidy as being obvious things
   that the state was mismanaging.

I now understand why Mr. Davidson is having trouble understanding what
I said: he is reading upside down.  I suggest that he just flip his
monitor over and it will all make sense!

   Now you are concerned about how to avoid problems you percieve as
   relating to native villages.  First it may not have occured to you
   that the subsidy is NOT for native groups, which is why it is not
   delivered in cash to them or anyone else.

No, that has not occurred to me because it isn't true.

   You seem to know enough about the Bethel area that you should
   know that there are many non-Native residents.

I believe that there are no petroleum product subsidies to
residents of Bethel or other large towns.

   And the way you are making your statements has led at least a couple
   of readers, myself included, to suspect that you really just don't
   want Native people to be included in whatever prosperity the state
   might be enjoying.  You articles have a "keep 'em down on the farm"
   tone to them.

This paragraph is so senseless that I will respond only by again
suggesting that Floyd try reading what I said right side up.

   By the way, what exactly do you expect someone living in Eek or
   Kongiganuk to use in place of petroleum products?  Or in Bethel
   or in Aniak?

As I remarked earlier, if they received their state assistance in cash
rather than in the form of subsidies on petroleum products, they would
be in a position to spend those funds on the things they need most
rather than just on fuel.  If you still don't understand this point
then I can't help you.

   Or in Anchorage?  And why is it ok for people in Willow to
   build up a false infrastructure using oil and oil money, but
   not ok to do the exact same thing in Akiak?

I don't understand your point and I suspect that you don't either.

   [Balance of this unintelligible article omitted.]

--
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Becoming aware, was Re: A Paper..Social Forces..
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:43:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202927.10752@telebit.com> bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork) writes:
>[regarding usenet as info source]
>
>I eagerly await the day when yellow rags like [deleted] simply
>fold since no one bothers to pay attention to their mis- or
>non-reporting 'cause we can get our information elsewhere.

Don't hold your breath waiting.  While the Usenet represents a useful tool
for discovering truth and information regarding what happens, it has not
got a real chance to replace the current information structure.  Usenet's
greatest strength (many voices and viewpoints) is it's greatest weakness
(too much noise, too many voices, lack of authentication by an institution
we have been tuaght to trust.)  The existing information distribution
structure (TV news, newspapers, etc) has the advantage of presenting
focused (single point-of-view) bit of information in packages small enough
for people to easily understand and presented in a format which they have
been taught to trust.  It will not be easy to overcome this societal
prejudice towards single-source information providers.  

The popularity of new TV programs in the US that use viewer provided video
footage seems to indicate to me that American society (sorry, can't speak
for the rest of the world :) is moving in the direction of multiple source
information providers, but even these programs are edited and presented by
the existing "information structure" in a format that is designed to
provide the "authenticity" that the public needs.  It seems to me that the
hosts of these program must spend considerable effort to send out the
message: "No, we are not making this up.  This is real."  [And on the other
hand you have William Shatner and the Rescue 911 clones trying to present
"dramatizations" as truth, go figure...]

-jim



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From: wmperg1@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Rudy Gobits)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: 10 Questions about Internet and Usenet
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: wmperg1@urc.tue.nl

I am a student of the Technical University of Eindhoven (Netherlands).
I am doing some research into the use of the facilities of the internet.

Who are the users? What do they use? What do they think of the quality
of the facilities?

It takes only a few minutes to answear the following questions. Please
use the following form.
I quarantee the confidential use of your answers. Some results of this
questionaire will I publish on usenet news.

Please mail your answear to:  wmperg1@urc.tue.nl
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 In wich country do you live:......................................

2 What is your age:...................    M/W (delete)

3 What is your profession:................................

4 From what location do you have acces to the internet:
  (use 'X' e.x. X_university)	__university
				__company
				__school
				__other:........................

5 Since when do you have access:.....................(year)
 
6 What were your 'first time' experiences and problems?
  .................................................................
  ................................................................. 

7 How frequently do you use internetfacilities:
  (average hours per week, use X)	__ 0->1
					__ 1->5
					__ 5->10
					__ >10

  Which services do you use: 		__ E-mail
					__ Anonymous FTP
					__ FTP
					__ Usenet
					__ Telnet
					__ Gopher
					__ other:...................

8 What do you think of the quality (in general) of services accessible
by the internet? (Give 1 to 10, 1=bad and 10=good):........

9 What do you think of the quality of Usenet News?
(Give 1 to 10, 1=bad and 10=good):........

10 What services or facilities need to be improved and why?
...............................................................
...............................................................

Be free to give comments and suggestions.

Thanks!

Frank de Caluwe

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