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From: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: jiten FAQ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:03:46 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>Spahn and Hadamitsky is annoying.  Frankly, I wish I hadn't bought it.
>First, it violates Scott Horne's Dictionary Principle No 1:  DO NOT EVEN
>THINK ABOUT INVENTING YET ANOTHER CHARACTER-LOOKUP SCHEME.  

I have to agree with Scott 100% on this one.  I use many different
dictionaries; the one saving grace is that they all more or less have
the same lookup method.  If the Kanji Jukugo Ribaasu Jiten 
($@4A;z=O8l%j%P!<%9<-E5(J) was the only dictionary I used, this wouldn't
be a big deal... I use it primarily as "back-up" when I cant find
a word in another dictionary (it IS very comprehensive; I'll give it
that).  Every time I just have to pray that the radical of the character
hasn't been "optimized out" in their system.

Furthermore, they have managed to find simply the ugliest font around.
Ugh.  Makes my eyes hurt.  This is a big deal to me.  They must have
spent incredible amounts of effort compiling this thing; why couldn't
they have expended a litle more and bought a nice font?  I refuse to
believe they actually used this font by choice.

If they had used a better font and had not tried to improve on the
classical radicals, it would probably be my main character dictionary.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       Dod #1867     '77 CB750F
"Not rich and I play the drums, that's pretty much me."       Trip Shakespeare
From: mrc@TOMOBIKI-CHO.CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: re: Japanese OS
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:03:46 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16: 04:00 TZONE

GomTalk is a wonderful public domain software package that allows you to run
KanjiTalk from Mac System 6 on Mac System 7.  So, you don't need to have two
system folders, use SystemSwitcher, and have to rebuild your desktop file
every time you want to run System 7.

But, to me, the single most winning thing about it is that you get KanjiTalk
but you still have English menus and panels.  Decyphering computerese is
annoying enough without having to decypher Japanese computerese (and I'm a 20+
year computer veteran!).  The worst part of Japanese computerese is that a lot
of it is simply the English rendered in katakana; I find it difficult to
imagine that katakana `purinto' conveys more information than Roman `Print'.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: nebel@WAM.UMD.EDU ("Chris D. Nebel")
Subject: Re: re: Japanese OS
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:27:25 GMT

In sci.lang.japan article <9204130243.AA05633@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>
you wrote:
> On the Macintosh, you can buy KanjiTalk for $400.

Say what?  I wasn't aware that anyone CHARGED for the KanjiTalk
system.  (The kana keyboard & printer & suchlike, sure, but not
the system software!)  I got mine from a developer's CD (which
is admittedly not free, but it is to me...)

Chris Nebel
nebel@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: MOKE
Keywords: MOKE
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:45:57 GMT

timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan) writes:

>In article <zari.703176932@yacht>, zari@ee.fit.edu (Kevin Zari) writes:
>|> Does anyone know the features that the new MOKE has?
>|> If you have it, please let me know.

>Does anyone know if version 2 of Moke will run on a laptop CGA?  The freely 
>available version 1.1 unfortunately does not.

I don't know the specific problem, although Mark Edwards has mention
problems with laptops and others using the 600x400 ATT graphics. V2.1 of
MOKE supports ATT, so it may well work. Certainly it works fine on my 386
laptop.

MOKE2.1 is mostly a set of minor enhancements to MOKE2.0. Changes include:

- a new ascii font which is much more readable than the default BGI fonts.
- user selection of line length
- beeping on error keystrokes
- DOS shell initiate
- radical lookup
- display of the JIS code of a kanji in the F7 lookup
- newer and better versions of kanjips and jprint
- a new JFIND utility for grepping on kana/kanji strings 

Hope this helps.

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2745  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: tvp@GIBDO.ENGR.WASHINGTON.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Nifty Serve
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

In article <9204131634.AA01907@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Dear nihongo persons:
>
>Does anyone know about Nifty Serve in Japan?  I am looking to find out how
>expensive it is, and whether or not it can send mail to the InterNet or
>bitnet here in the US.

It's not that expensive because you're only charged for connect time
which is 10 yen per 3 minutes (standard phone charge, has nothing to
do with Nifty) on your phone bill and 30 yen per 3 minutes
on your credit card for standard features. You cannot e-mail to Internet
or Bitnet but there is a gateway to CompuServe (price per minute will
go up though) where you can login to CompuServe and e-mail to the
Internet.

>and there are a few people who I would like to keep in touch with using
>email.  Or is there another service available that I should know about?
>
>Also, I have an IBM PC compatible, running ProComm.  Would this be able to
>access Nifty Serve?  Using english characters?  I am assuming that Japanese
>computers will use the same modem protocols and all...

You can connect to NiftyServe in English-only or in Japanese, so there's
no problem if your PC doesn't have Japanese compatibility. The features
available are a little different but you are still able to connect to
CompuServe.

>
>Please let me know if you have any information.

If no one gives you the info you need, you should probably post again
and ask for information on TWICS (based in Tokyo) which can give you
fairly economical direct access to the Internet at a fixed monthly
charge. There's yet another service like that which may be cheaper.
Both seem to be run by American companies, or at least have Americans
working for them.

>Thanks,
>
>Kevin Lisota
>
>
>lisota@cae.wisc.edu

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Questions 3
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:47:15 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Doug.Schiffer@ofa123.fidonet.org (Doug Schiffer) writes:

>Hello! I am a computer programmer with an interest in representation
>of Japanese and other Asian languages on computers.  I've been following
>the conversations here for some time, and have learned much.
> 
>1) I've just read a message by Jim Breen refering to "JIS2".  I know 
>of JIS coding (which uses escape sequences to code 6878 kana, symbols,
>and the most common kanji).  Does JIS2 code represent additional obscure
>and archiac kanji?
> 

The following extract from Ken Lunde's "japan.inf" will make this
clearer. [I strongly recommend you read the whole file!]

0.1.1: JIS X 0208-1990
     The Japanese character set as described in the document JIS X 0208-1990
specifies 6,879 standard characters; 6,355 kanji in 2 levels (Level 1: 2,965
kanji arranged by pronunciation; Level 2: 3,390 kanji arranged by radical), 86
katakana, 83 hiragana, 10 numerals, 52 Roman characters, 147 symbols, 66
Russian characters, 48 Greek characters, and 32 line elements (for making
charts).
     This standard was first established in 1978, modified for the first time
in 1983 (character position swapping, glyph changes, and four kanji appended
to JIS Level 2), and modified again in 1990 (two kanji were appended to JIS
Level 2). This character set is widely implemented on a variety of platforms.
Encoding methods for JIS X 0208-1990 include Shift-JIS, EUC, and JIS.

>3) While perusing my college library, I came across a Chinese dictionary
>by Herbert Giles. [ as in Wade-Giles, an older form of Chinese
>romanization ]
> 
Hmmm, probably quite valuable, at least as a piece of history.

> It listed some 10,000 Kanji, giving a wealth of information
>(stroke counts, compounds, and pronouncation in numerous dialects of
>Chinese [Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, etc], Japanese and Korean. )
> 
>Wouldn't it be neat if something like this existed in computer 
>readable form? Does something like this exist?   
> 
The PD files I am assembling on JIS1 & JIS2 attempt to do this for
Japanese.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2745  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: Thomas_Dicorcia.ISO-SV@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: info. requ. on Japanese textbook
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

****A SHORT SURVEY****

The name of your
institution: Xerox Corporation

Class size and hours(per-week)
Level I:
Level II:  3 students, one instructor, three one-hour sessions per week
Level III:


The title and publisher of the textbook:
(If you think the textbook is a little rare, please inclose
details.)
For level I:
For level II:  Japanese for Everyone, Gakken
For level III:


Any comments on those textbooks:  This is one of the best textbooks I`ve used.
It starts in  hiragana and gradually introduces kanji.  The kanji have furigana
only the first time it appears on a page.  No romaji, even in the excercises
(except for chapter 1).  Good grammar explanations.  Lots of exercises.  The
story is reasonably interesting and covers a lot of useful situations.  The
Japanese used is not overly formal.
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From: zari@ee.fit.edu (Kevin Zari)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: MOKE
Summary: new MOKE ?
Keywords: MOKE
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:55:32 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.

Does anyone know the features that the new MOKE has?
If you have it, please let me know.
	Domo Arigato,
		zarisan
From: nelson@USAFA.AF.MIL (Capt Eric Nelson)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Computer toka no shitsumon
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:17:18 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

I would recommend that you also check out a new program called NJStar.  There
is a 2.0 version that has some problems, but I have also seen a newer 2.1
If you are unable to find the 2.1 version for anonymous FTP, I would
recommend that you send the author a message.  His address is
87P0786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au.  If I remember right, NJStar costs
about $50.00 for the complete version.  The version I saw was a demo
that could only print on a 9 pin printer.  The full-blown version
is worth the price as it has drivers for 24 pin printers, the HP Deskjet
series and the HP LaserJet.

Eric Nelson
USAF Academy
nelson@usafa.af.mil
From: miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese OS
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:47:53 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <9204131754.AA04828@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>
NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes: 
>Interesting comments about Nextstep (however the capitalization
>routine works), 
>but what is GomTalk?  -- John McRae


GomTalk is the control panel-system extension conbo by Masashi Gomyo,
which allows KanjiTalk to run on system  7.0 or 7.1.

You need system 7.0 (or 7.0.1) and KanjiTalk 6.0.7 (or 6.0.7.1) to use 
this program.  You can find GomTalk in sumex-aim.stanford.edu under
info-mac/cp directory. (or ex, util) Sumex also has a translated
manual (in English) by me.

Please use version 1.2.1 and *not* 1.2, since it is buggy.

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: verbs (again...)
Summary: All modern shu^shikei from earlier rentaikei
Keywords: attributive, conclusive, rentaikei, shu^shikei
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.005440.23343@caedm.byu.edu> luke@koala.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:

>  Many modern
>verb forms, incidentally, evolved from the classical modifying form
>rather than the "sentence-ending form."  Two good examples are "suru"
>and "kuru," which come from the classical "su" and "ku."  "Su" still
>pops up sometimes before "beki."

Since in all cases except that of `shinu' (`shinuru' expected) where the
rentaikei and shu^shikei were distinct in written Japanese the modern form
is based on the classical rentaikei, it must be presumed that all predicating
forms in modern colloquial Japanese trace back to the rentaikei.  This 
includes keiyo^shi, where the `k' of `ki' rather than the `s' of `si' was
lost, and even `-da' can be assumed to trace back to, in effect, `-nite aru'
rather than `-nite ari.'  [I specify `written Japanese' above because it is
generally believed that even rentaikei that were identical to the shu^shikei
in writing were distinguished in speech by accent.  As to the exception of
`shinu,' note that unlike the nidan verbs--the ones that went from ...uru 
to ...eru or ...iru--there is no single secondary root form to base a new 
form on.]

>Any ideas as to _why_ the rentaikei remains (though sometimes modified)
>while the shuushikei tended to vanish?

Ending a sentence with a rentaikei instead of a shu^shikei was very much
like ending a sentence with -no or -no-da instead of without them in modern
Japanese.  I won't try to characterize that difference here and now, but
perhaps Japanese liked the attitude it conveyed and increasingly chose it,
until it, and the distinction, lost their meaning.  I wonder if it could
not be shown that -no(-da) means less (and is used more) in 1992 than it 
did in 1892?  Perhaps the same thing will happen again.

I like to cite an early example of a sentence ending in the rentaikei.  In
a story from the middle of the Heian period (just under 1000 years ago), 
a nun asks a little girl in her charge why she is crying.  The little girl
replies (something very much like):  `Inuki-ga kotubame-wo nogasituru'
"Inuki let the baby sparrow loose."  Note that in modern Japanese, "Why
are you crying" is answered with a sentence ending in -no:  `Inukichan-ga
kotsubame-o nogashichatta-NO.'

Bart Mathias
From: dk-b@MINSTER.YORK.AC.UK
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: MEIKO
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

As far as I know MEIKO means "industrious worker".

I have to admit that I call it dorei (slave) :-)



-- Daniel.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mbe44350@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Matthew B.C. Estelle)
Subject: Help with MOKE
Summary: looking for help with MOKE
Keywords: help with MOKE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:26:12 GMT

Is there anyone out there familiar with MOKE?  I downloaded the programs for
the IBM but was unable to run it.  I'm looking for the same program for
the UNIX system and also a way for the version for the IBM to work.  ANy
help would be welcomed.  Thanks in advance.
-- 

Matthew Estelle                    |  "36-24-36, huh.  Only if
mbe44350@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu          |    she's 5'3"!!"
Sazan Eyes and Ranma Fan           |        -Sir Mixalot
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: jiten FAQ?
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:33:19 GMT

In article <RWK.92Apr10113713@taunton.crl.dec.com>, rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns) writes:
<
<I think it would be very helpful to people if there were a FAQ
<list about various Japanese dictionaries (wa-ei, ei-wa, kan-ei,
<kan-wa, wa-wa, picuture-wa-ei, electronic, pocket, or whatever)

Yes, but this is likely to result in a flamefest.  If anyone posts a FAQ
with which I disagree, I'll prepare a counter-FAQ.

Spahn and Hadamitsky is annoying.  Frankly, I wish I hadn't bought it.
First, it violates Scott Horne's Dictionary Principle No 1:  DO NOT EVEN
THINK ABOUT INVENTING YET ANOTHER CHARACTER-LOOKUP SCHEME.  New students
of Japanese may (or may not) find S&H's scheme more convenient than the
tried-and-true (or at least established; that's good enough for me) scheme
of Kang1 Xi1 (the one with 214 radicals); but they're going to have to learn
the latter sooner or later, anyway, and they (and we) shouldn't be bothered
with using all the various schemes which exist now.

Second, it is cheaply produced yet expensively priced.  For $40+, I expect
signatures, not just glue.  (They could at least put the thing in a box.)

Third, it is full of characters of *NO* (yes, I said "*NO*", not "limited")
use.  The authors thought it would be clever to stick in the 64-stroke
character which Morohashi claims is pronounced _tetsu_ and means `verbose;
talkative'.  This character is absolutely useless.  Outside the realm of
dictionaries, it probably occurs once in all of classical Chinese (not
Japanese) literature.  The only reason it's in this dictionary is that the
authors wanted to give a false impression of "completeness":  if even this
very rare character is listed, one might think, surely all the more common
ones are.  (It so happens that this character has more strokes than any other
attested character; as this bit of trivia is widely known, some people may
[foolishly] use old _tetsu_ as a benchmark when buying dictionaries.)

Spahn and Hadamitsky would do well to work on clearer, better definitions
(and perhaps some examples of usage) instead of gimmicky nonsense.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: James_E._Grigsby.ES_M7@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Computer toka no shitsumon
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Re: Current Changer
Any commercial current changer should work.

Re: Surge Protector
I'd advise a surge protector for any machine, anywhere

Re: Cheap DOS Nihongo SW
MOKE from Ki-Comp-Ware is around $70. , you can enter romaji, hiragana,
katakana and (with a control character lookup sequence) Kanji.  The help and
menus are in English.  Both dot-matrix and HP II laser output are supported.
They claim PostScript support, but it doesn't work with the certified
PostScript printers I've tried (Texas Instruments and Xerox).  Another drawback
is the user-interface which is somewhat clumsy and UNIX-like.  But, for the
price, it's a great package.

The only other DOS package in this price range is SMART CHARACTERS, which is an
interesting learning tool (has hypertext kanji lookup and translation,
flashcard drills, and furigana characters) but has incredibly ugly (LOW-RES)
screen and printer fonts.  It goes for around $80.

Other packages for DOS,  DOSV, and NIHONGO DOS are around $500. - $900. and are
made for natives (menus and help are in Japanese).
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: JRM@CORNELLA.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (John McRae)
Subject: re: Japanese OS
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:27:28 GMT

Interesting comments about Nextstep (however the capitalization routine works),
but what is GomTalk?  -- John McRae
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: PKANET@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU (Priscilla Kanet)
Subject: Re: Asahi-ya
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:07:00 GMT

Japanese books and English translations of Japanese books are available
through Greenshower Corp', 10937 Klingerman St., S. El Monte, CA 91733.
TEL:818-575-1000/FAX:818-443-4020.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mayera@VAX001.KENYON.EDU (CAN'T WAIT TO GRADUATE)
Subject: Computer toka no shitsumon
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:44:30 GMT

I am moving to Tokyo this summer, and I want to take my IBM compatible computer
and printer with me.  What do I do about the electric current difference?  Will
a regular converter that can be bought anywhere work?  Also, should I bring my
surge protector?  Please advise.

Also, I am looking for Japanese word processing software.  Most of the good
stuff is for the Macintosh.  Are there any good (and possibly cheap) programs
for IBMs?

Lastly, when I get to Tokyo I will be working on the Tozai-sen near Nihonbashi.
Can anyone suggest a relatively cheap area to live?  I prefer the west side of
Tokyo because I spend most of my last trip near Ikebukuro, Takadanobaba,
Shinjuku, and Shibuya.  I was thinking of looking around the Seibu
Shinjuku-sen, but I am not sure where.  Any suggestions?

Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

-- Amy Mayer
   MAYERA@VAX001.KENYON.EDU
From: WHK@UNCVX1.BITNET
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Hi, dear netter:
I have a some problem with IBM-DOS 5.0 Japanese version. Does any one who
have experience with this stuff can give me some help?
My machine is ACMA 386-33 MHz with 4MB RAM, 1MB S-VGA RAM and 1024x768 color
monitor. When I boot my mathine with following config.sys, I found my S-VGA
does not compatible with this OS or this configuration. When I use DIR
command, one frame of random color pattern will appears after one frame of
text scroll out. Is this problem can be solved by changi
ng config.sys?
So many thanks in advance for any help.

BUFFERS=20
FILES=20
COUNTRY=081,932,a:\COUNTRY.SYS
SHELL=a:\COMMAND.COM /P /E:512
DEVICE=a:\$FONT.SYS
DEVICE=a:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=a:\EMM386.EXE 1024 RAM
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICEHIGH=a:EGA.SYS FUNC=FF
DEVICEHIGH=a:\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,437,2)
DEVICEHIGH=a:\$DISP.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=a:\$IAS.SYS /R=1
DEVICEHIGH=a:\$IAESKK.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=a:\$PRNUSER.SYS
DEVICE=F:\ATOK7A.SYS /d=f:\atok7l.dic /g=f:\jsfont\jfgaij.ufo
device=f:\atok7b.sys


HK WANG
,Ph.D.
WHK@UNCVX1.BITNET
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: jiten FAQ?
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:06:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.190141.7588@adobe.com>, lunde@adobe.com (Ken Lunde) writes:
<In article <1992Apr10.173319.5113@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott
<Horne) writes:
<
<>>Yes, but this is likely to result in a flamefest.  If anyone posts a FAQ
<>>with which I disagree, I'll prepare a counter-FAQ.
<
<Gosh! You must be absolutely entertaining at parties and social gatherings!

Quite.

<What a way to make people decide NOT to post anything!

Not at all.  Feel free to post anything; just don't expect me to let it pass
unchallenged if I don't agree with it.  (I'd expect the same treatment from
everyone else.)

<Yes, bitmapped fonts don't quite cut it in their book.

I agree.

<At the time they did the
<publishing, PostScript Japanese fonts were available (Ryumin-Light and Gothic
<BBB-Medium).

Yes, but not for all the rare characters they included, and not for the
many variant forms they gave.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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