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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.160744.12412@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
|>       Maybe just  seems like it but of the accidents I've heard of this year
|>just  as many were on a Big V. It has also occurred to me that the mainstream
|>riders as a group are getting older as maybe half of the bad accidents I've
|>heard of this year involved riders over 30 years of age. I think the bad trafic
|>is getting to even the experienced riders out thier. Or is it my imagination?
|>
|>    Wayne Felske      Still surviving the streets of Vancouver.
|>
|
|  I guess I'll just stay out here in the L.A. Zoo. 

You're proud of that?  The "LA Zoo" makes me ashamed to be an American.

|Here most of the
|accidents involve rice riders 

"Rice riders"?  What's that, some sort of vegetable thing?

(I'm being serious...)  <snicker>

|and most are under the age of 30. You see it
|all the time. The experienced riders don't take the chances a novice will,

Well, young people often haven't a taste of their own mortality.  A fact of
life, I'm afraid.  Those same young people usually can't afford Harleys.  What
would you suggest?  Banning young people from riding?  Banning inexperienced
people?  Banning non-Harley bikes (which would limit riders to affluent and/or
older)?

|especially when they are wearing helmets. 

Oh, you mean to say that helmets promote stupid moves?  We should ban helmet
use on a motorcycle, then, right?

|By the way, the CHP (California
|Highway Patrol) has released data showing an increase in motorcycle deaths
|of 10% since the mandatory helmet law went into effect. 

Can you site a reference for this?  My issue of American Motorcyclist reported
the opposite, but also reported that ridership was down, too.

|More body parts to
|be donated I suppose. Of course, I carry a card next to my license that
|stated that my body parts will be donated ONLY to a state that has no
|mandatory helmet law ;@). It is signed and witnessed by two licensed, adult
|people. It's legal and binding.

Good move.  Punish injured people.  What clout.

		Dave Svoboda, Chicago
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I'm surprised that...
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:18:52 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Nov17.230708.27278@c3.PLA.CA.US>, niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
> The media do a disservice to all of us when they slight an important cultural
> phenom like the Hell's Angels. Important, because there isn't a more durable
> archtype in all of our popular culture than that of the "outlaw biker". To
> look into the roots of the biker archtype - and to examine those that embody
> it - is to understand a little more about our American selves (if you'll pardon
> the US-centric view for a moment.)

You're kidding, right?   I mean even those guys don't believe THAT! 
Wait, I get it, you're 18 and have a romantic ,idealistic view of the world
that has no bearing on reality!  yeah, that's it (a little Bon Jovi here)
"I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride, I'm wanted, dead or alive".  
I'll let you in on a little secret, even the Hells Angels don't go for
pussy shit like that!

"a more popular archtype of our popular culture" BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Neal, you kill me pal!  

Terry

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "I don't like the looks of that      |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  teenager over there" Grampa Simpson |
 | Highly Individual Flaming Idiot    |                                      |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,tx.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Finally! I have it!
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:53:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.221503.4077@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.151129.5614@bcrka451.bnr.ca> duncan@bcrka466.bnr.ca (Ross Duncan) writes:
>>I agree there are lots of neat things to add to the FLHS.
>>
>>The reason I am getting a 92 FLHS in 93 is that it is a
>>demo bike and my dealer only got it in September. He agreed to
>>hold it til spring with a deposit.
>>
>>I think the first thing I will add is the passenger backrest.
>>Then maybe the Tour Pack. Then chrome thingys.
>>
>>It's amazing hoe versatile those bikes seem to be.
>
>
>Yeah, verily!  The versatility of these things just abounds!
>
>Just consider all the things that you can do with one, to wit:
>
>  *.  There's a place for a passenger backrest, no less!
>  *.  There's also a way to add a "Tour Pack" <??>.
>  *.  There's also lots of places to add chrome things, that:
>        A.  make it go faster <??>
>        B.  don't make it go faster.
>        C.  slow it down.
>        D.  make protrusions on which to gore oneself while/during road slides.
>        E.  make protrusions with which to gore other people.
>  *.  This bike also can be ridden 6 months from now when spring gets here.
>
>Yup. yup.  sure is versatile!
>

Not much of a dirt bike either. Need a Sportster for that.

Jeff Achenbach
From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:50:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM>, lynn@pacesetter.com
(Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                           
>megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>>
>
> I've been reading your messages for a while now and you are pretty
>biased
>about your bike. Thats ok. Since I don't know much about UJM's since I
>am
>an American by birth and I would never buy a product from a country
>that
>started a war with us, what is a ZX-11 ? I assume it's another product
>from
>a foriegn country. What is this "pilot" thing you sign after the
>ZX-11?
>Does this signify that a ZX-11 is a plane? I'm being serious...
>  What is this Dod thing? Thats a totally 'wanna-be' a biker thing
>I've
>seen all around the *motorcycle* boards. I've even seen a graphic
>thing
>that looks like a 'patch' come across the net. Let me give you netters
>a
>hint on motorcycle patches. If you wanna-be's start up a club and fly
>a
>patch, be prepared to defend it. Thats right. There are rules taht
>apply to
>all who wear a patch AKA flying colors. Judging by the replys and
>messages
>send across the net, none of you are aware that being in a club has a
>liability. You are all responsible for EACH and everyone who flys your
>patch. If just one person fucks up - you all will pay the price.
>Something
>to think about before you get too involved in it. 
>                             Lynn Hall - NOS Bros

I think the strict requirements of patches went out the window with the 
HOG chapters popping up all over. On the other hane, I would LOVE to see 
a group of Yuppies with rice-burners & "Denizens of Doom" patches run 
into some HAs (or Bandidos, or Outlaws, or.................).

That would be pretty funny...........................................

As regards the questions about our friend the ZX-11 "Pilot" and the
flamewar crap we have been seeing, I knew this would happen when we
traded the
harley@thinkage mailing list for a rec.bullshit group!!!!!!!

Now you can flame me Randy, but I wear Nomax lined leathers!!

Later all, Eddie
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:42:49 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov19.184328.1419@megatek.com> rstewart@megatek.com writes:
>>>                             Lynn Hall - NOS Bros

>the harley of today loves yuppies, wants yuppies and sucks up to yuppies. Who

Yes, Harley is THE bike to be seen on today.  Hopefully with more and more
diversified people buying Harleys, the bike will get less of a bad rap.
What is that commercial I saw...?  A lady is at a stop light and a big
harley pulls up beside her.  She's about to roll up her window and lock
the door until she notices that the driver is her dentist!

Here's hopeing that this will make driving a two wheeler a bit safer for
all of us.
-- 
==========================================================================
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 PHONE 215-431-9421 {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!hartzler hartzler@commodore.com
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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.170925.22062@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
+I'm usually a lurker here, but with this guy, I just can't resist...
+
+In article <Yf0YP4m00WAEA0TEwW@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
+
+|What do you think
+|of the new Dyna Wide Glide's, do you like the frame mated to
+|the wide glide front end? 
+
+Is that open for dicussion?  I think the new WG looks like a caricature
+of the old WG.  Not too neat.

I wonder how the new frame will fair.  I feel that HD is pushing it
cause they put a lot of money into developing it.  I haven't heard a
lot of reaction from the public one way or the other on this.  I wonder
how sales are doing.

I rode a 1991 Sturgis at Daytona last march.  It was shakey at idle and
smoothed out quickly at speed.  Just as advertised.  Personally, I
prefer the feel of my Low Rider, but it may be because that is what
I am used to.

+|What do you think will be Harleys
+|change in carburetion ,fuel injection or dual carbs, do you
+|think that it will aid in performance? 
+
+I think they will go to fuel injection to aid in efficiency and
+tractability, but are less interested in performance.  That may make
+buyers just have to change proms, rather than carbs, for higher
+performance, though.  That would be good.

The feeling that I get from talking to factory reps is that they
prefer carbs and will stick with carbs as long as possible, but 
emission laws may force them to use fuel infection, I mean injection.
____________________________________________________________________________
Sorry, but I sent my .sig file out for a cleaning, so I have
nothing clever to say today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: saw a bike 4 sale
Keywords: 48? or 49?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <moseley.121.0@u.washington.edu>, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L.
Moseley) writes:

|>My '48 pan has a hydraglide front end, and was sold new that way, 
|>according to the original owner. Apparently, the hydraulic front end was 
|>supposed to come out in '48, and if you look in the parts book, they have '
|>48 parts numbers. For whatever reason, the hydraglide did not come out 
|>until '49, but some '48s that were still at the dealers had the '49 front 
|>end installed before or at sale. Whether this was a Harley program, a 
|>special option deal, or just done by the dealer I don't know. 

It was common for the factory to substitute parts from adjacent years
when the assembly line had a shortage. These bikes are the exception,
not the rule. The vast majority of stock '48 pans had springers, which is 
one reason they are becoming quite valuable.

If a dealer chose to swap a front end befor sale, then it still didn't
come that way from the factory.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: saw a bike 4 sale
Keywords: 48? or 49?
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:56:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.201938.10093@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
 dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:

>If it had a springer front end it was a '48. If it had a hydraulic front
>end (taper leg wide glide FL) it was a '49. Either way $5800 is quite
>reasonable.

My '48 pan has a hydraglide front end, and was sold new that way, 
according to the original owner. Apparently, the hydraulic front end was 
supposed to come out in '48, and if you look in the parts book, they have '
48 parts numbers. For whatever reason, the hydraglide did not come out 
until '49, but some '48s that were still at the dealers had the '49 front 
end installed before or at sale. Whether this was a Harley program, a 
special option deal, or just done by the dealer I don't know. Obviously, the 
hydraglide is better to ride, but the springer will sell for more. I'd 
rather ride a '48 for any price than a '93. A '48 for $6k versus a '93 for 
$15k is just no contest. Well, OK, maybe I'd consider a '93 ElectraGlide 
Sport. Blue.

Steve
DoD # 1951, COG, HOG, AMA
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: bubba@prcrs.prc.com (Jeffrey Harding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: "FAT BOY" Seat For Sale
Keywords: HARLEY, FAT BOY, SEAT
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:10:25 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

FOR SALE:

Pillion (passenger) pad for "Fat Boy", brand new, matches "Fat Boy"
seat.  $100/New, sell for $60.

Respond to this account if interested...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.163419.12704@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>>
>
> I've been reading your messages for a while now and you are pretty biased
>about your bike. Thats ok. Since I don't know much about UJM's since I am
>an American by birth and I would never buy a product from a country that
 
You must not have all the parts on your Harley.
 
>started a war with us, what is a ZX-11 ? I assume it's another product from
>a foriegn country. What is this "pilot" thing you sign after the ZX-11?
>Does this signify that a ZX-11 is a plane? I'm being serious...
>  What is this Dod thing? Thats a totally 'wanna-be' a biker thing I've
>seen all around the *motorcycle* boards. I've even seen a graphic thing
>that looks like a 'patch' come across the net. Let me give you netters a
>hint on motorcycle patches. If you wanna-be's start up a club and fly a
>patch, be prepared to defend it. Thats right. There are rules taht apply to
>all who wear a patch AKA flying colors. Judging by the replys and messages
>send across the net, none of you are aware that being in a club has a
>liability. You are all responsible for EACH and everyone who flys your
>patch. If just one person fucks up - you all will pay the price. Something
>to think about before you get too involved in it. 
>                             Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
 
Yea right and pigs fly out my butt.
 
P.S. Only a weenie uses electric clothing. Come to Chicago and we'll go for
a ride. Pick any day.

 
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: 39mm Fork Relief
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:44:14 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov11.203214.16571@stortek.com> terryg@stortek.com (Terry Gottehrer x4943) writes:
>I thought about caps with threaded holes. Didn't the Harley engineers
>ever change the fork oil in the labs? If they did, they would have 
>thought of the threaded hole idea a long time ago.

Harley engineers didn't design those forks. They're Japanese ( made by Showa).
IMHO all forking engineers :-) should've put such caps on all their forks since
it doesn't add that much to the manufacturing cost and is such a clever and
handy feature.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ronan@ug.cs.dal.ca (brian c ronan)
Subject: FAT BOY
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:44:51 GMT

Sorry I have it right here on the cards

The Fat Boy was the only new model in
Harley-Davidson's 1990 model line. Its
most outstanding features were its aluminum
disc wheels, unusual stepped shotgun-style
exhaust system and silver-on-silver paint
scheme and tank graphic.

production : 4,612 
list price : 10,995

So I wouldn't buy the bike cause it's not a 
Fat Boy..maybe its a Heritage Classic..
I find they look similar to a point
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Which cam to use???
Keywords: stroker, non-race
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:32:19 GMT

--

In article <dormont.721534873@spot.Colorado.EDU>, dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU
(DORMONT WILLIAM  M) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Path:
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|>From: dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT WILLIAM  M)
|>Subject: Which cam to use???
|>Message-ID: <dormont.721534873@spot.Colorado.EDU>
|>Keywords: stroker, non-race
|>Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System)
|>Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
|>Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
|>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:21:13 GMT
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|>
|>Hi - I haven't checked in here for awhile.  I'm the guy who's rebuilding
|>a '79 FXE basket that's got a 4 3/4" S&S stroker kit in it.  I'm not
|>a racer - I want a strong motor that is as reliable as a stroked shovel
|>can be.  I've decided to shitcan the solid lifters and go back to 
|>hydraulics.  My biggest current problem (besides cash flow, and deciding
|>which shop to entrust my motor work to) is deciding which cam to run.
|>Several shops automatically say "Andrews BH" when I ask them.  I'm 
|>wondering if, for reliability and longevity, I should use something like
|>a "J", or even go low compression and use a "2".  What I'm looking for
|>is mostly low to midrange power - I don't need to rev past ~5500.  I'm
|>planning to gear it tall since I love to be able to count the explosions
|>at most speeds.  Does anyone out there have similar tastes and experience?
|>  Thanks in advance for any posts or email replies -
|>
|>			Denny Powers
|>			c/o dormont@spot.colorado.edu
|>

With a 4 3/4" stroke you're looking at a motor somewhere between 88"
and 92". I would strongly recommend you stay with the solids. The stock
hydraulic lifters don't work well with solid cams and the BH grind cam 
has had problems with certain carbs. That cam's timing is quite different
than the 'B' cam and intake length is critical. You didn't say what carb you're
running. Two good cams for 88-92's are the Andrews 'B' and the Sifton 440.
Both require solids.

I'd also caution you against lugging a big stroker around. It's not good for
the
bottom end. 

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 71 Shovel
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:38:27 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>as Saviour that made the amen frame and the also the softail frame, Harley
>didn't invent the softail frame custom manufacturers'(sp?) in the 70's did.

Bzzzzt.  Wrong answer (again).

ABout two months ago I went to a vintage machine festival.  Among the
machines was a 1935 motorcycle, I believe it was a Vincent, maybe 
a Velocette.  Anyway, this (remarkably fine) original condition
motorcycle had a swinging A-frame for the rear wheel and a single
combo spring/shock absorber to suspend.  Yamaha invented the
mono-shock?  No Way!  Custom manufacturers in 1970's invented
the "softail" ?  No Way!

BTW the owner had amazing history documentation.  The original 
owner was a salesperson who rode the thing all over Europe, and
praised its reliability.  During WWII this owner disassembled and
hid all the pieces to keep the Germans from "recycling" it.
After the war it was reassembled and the owner moved to the US
and brought it with him.  It is supposed to be the first of its make
and model to have hit US land.

-rcf

	
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,tx.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Finally! I have it!
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:49:34 GMT

In article <BxAuKM.Hs7@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.170340.9297@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>
>>Hmmmmm.  Still looking at all the neat stuff.  The only thing I have decided on
>>for sure is the screamin eagle for the front fender.  Been spending to much
>>time riding it - NOT - to think about adding stuff to it. 
>>
>
>Does this make it go faster ?
>

Merely a matter of personal preference, but IMO a better question is "how 
much of this stuff is necessary?" A solo seat, rearsets, fork brace, swingarm
brace, fiberglass (or plastic) fenders. Delete windshield, saddlebags, radio,
and anything else not needed to hold your ass off the pavement. Should save 
at least 100 pounds. 
  Bore it, stroke it, cam and carb it. Send the heads to Jerry Branch for
massaging. 
  Course, you could just buy a Moto Guzzi Daytona or a Ducati 900SS for a 
lot less money.

Jeff Achenbach
Norton Commando, Triumph Bonneville, Moto Morini 3 1/2, BMW R90S, Yamaha SR500

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdvlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Fort Davis VLBA site)
Subject: Re: fork size 
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:25:47 GMT


>That depends on the year model of the Sporty. 1990 and later have the 39mm
>forks (I think it's '90, could be '89). The earlier EVO Sporty's had 35mm
>forks (back to '86). I dunno what size the '85 and earlier ones had, likely
>35mm also.
>
>-- 
>=============================================================================
>Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
>         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
>          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
>=============================================================================

My sporty has the big forks; it's an '88.  I think they came out in '87...

--
Steve Cowell......Ki5YG