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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: where Metropolis is
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:17:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.vanyel.721934260
Organization: Bradley University

In <1e8ejvINN3kb@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
>In article <BxsH20.G43@ecf.toronto.edu> kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K) writes:
>>Metropolis was originally supposed to be Toronto, Canada.
>Only visually-- it was supposedto be an city in the States.  Probably
>Cleavland.

The way I've heard it: Metropolis was supposed to be an offshoot of New
York City.  In _Superman_ v1 #1 (1939), Clark Kent sends an article off to
a paper in Cleveland (home of Siegel and Shuster at the time).  As far as I
know, that's the only time the Superman stories have Kent doing something
for a Cleveland paper (could be something to do with a press syndicate, for
all I know about newspaper stories back then).

For a long time now (last time I remember for sure was the reference in
_Who's Who in the LSH_ a few years ago), Metropolis has been suggested to
be a sister city of some kind to New York.  Same with Gotham.  I recall
suggestions that NYC isn't as big in the DC Universe as it is in real life,
and that portions of it have formed completely separate cities.

Personally, I just wish DC would explain this once and for all.

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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:47:42 GMT

In article <BxsH8v.GFq@ecf.toronto.edu> kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K) writes:
>Has anyone out there read ROBIN 3000?
>
>I saw it on the stands, but passed it up because of the high $$$.
>
>On a hunch, it didn't look like anything special, but I'd like to know
>if someone out there liked it.
>
>I'm thinking that if it was anything short of INCREDIBLE, then I made
>a wise decision.
>
>Greg
>
The first issue was, unfortunately, short of incredible. Quite short, as a 
matter of fact.
	The art is good, but not quite on the level I expected from 
P. Craig Russell.  And the story goes in exactly in the wrong direction,
becoming a rambling Star Wars rip-off instead of a Robin story. In fact,
it's really very poorly written and confusing in many ways.
	On the other hand, I've never been able to stop myself from 
buying all of a miniseries I buy the first issue of. Which makes me
glad that this is only two issues.
	Certainly the worst of the Elseworlds efforts so far. Maybe it
will all come together in the conclusion, but I rather doubt it.

cheers,
	AST
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ramblings and Rumors
Date: 18 Nov 1992 03:03:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1992Nov17.213520.28041@rtsg.mot.com> chrstnss@rtsg.mot.com (Steve Christianson) writes:
>print any more; maybe second prints will be available".  The results?  An
>instant speculator's dream, regular readers of the titles can't get the
>issues they *read*, and second (and perhaps third?) prints available only 

I havn't picked up any of the Doomsday issues yet, and I don't intend to.
The whole thing is a marketing ploy, and I'm not going to spend $3.50 or what-
ever Superman #75 costs to buy a book with a poorly done story and a bunch of
extra junk that doesn't take up the slack.  
But my main reason is that I don't think I could deal with a guilty conscience
after I deprive one more reader of his copy of the book.

>My manager also mentioned this; the publisher will be DC.  It seems that
>Image just can't handle the editorial side of the business when it is
>"creator-owned".
I didn't think so.  I guess this will mean that the Image books will have
*A Regular Schedule*, huh?  I just hope they keep the same paper quality,
but lower the cover price to $1.75.

>	the return of the Transformers as a regular comic
YAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!  This is the series that got me into comics.  I just hope
that Furman, Wildman, and Baskerville will be the creative team again.  When
is it coming out?

>	Marvel will publish Venom as a series of limited series
>	  (whateverthehellthatmeans)
It means they're gonna do what DC is doing with Robin and Lobo.
	(ohjoyohjoyohjoyohidon'tthinkso)

>Thought you might be interested...
I am!

>Steve

					--MikE

Lessee...if I've put in enough new stuff, my news reader should accept it...

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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:24:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.112130.29692@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>How do you know that this is what Jim Lee is doing?  I am just curious
>since most comic book artwork looks similar, with very, very few 
>exceptions.  And I wouldn't consider Frank Miller's art an exception.
>					
>					Ron

I have to disagree with one little point here. Most comic art does _NOT_ look 
similar. Different artists have different styles, and each style is unique,
much like a fingerprint. I have never seen different artists draw the same
character the same way. Even when one artist attempts to imitate another, you
can usually tell that someone else is doing the art. Compare issues of the 
X-Men with art by Byrne, Cockrum, Smith, Romita, Silvestri, and Leonardi.
If you are somewhat familiar with the styles of these artists, you can usually
tell who drew which issue. Cockrum's characters look like boxes, Smith's are
long, thin, and round, etc.
I buy comics for two reasons: story and art. To be a good book, a comic needs
to satisfy both these requirements (which is why I feel that Image is a flop - 
Let's face it, artists do _not_ always make the best writers). If a comic only
has good art, but no story, it becomes an awful book. Similarly for a book with
a good writer but a horrible artist. I enjoy having my favorite characters
drawn by different people (ditto for writers). An artist gives a comic a 
certain feel. For example, I liked Gene Colan's art on the old Tomb of Dracula
because it made the book grittier (for a 70s book, that is). 
To wrap this up, I (and most other people on the net, I hope) feel that not
all artists draw similarly. Try to take a closer look at the books you read, 
Ron. Learn to appreciate comics as a dual art form, and I'm sure you'll get
to like them a lot more.  


/////////
Place your .sig here...Any ideas?
Eric Jaron Stieglitz       
"DragonEyes" a.k.a "Torque" a.k.a. ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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From: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K)
Subject: DC: Superman #75 -- record-high scum-sucking prices!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:00:44 GMT

Well, after reading the week's replies here, I think Toronto, Canada
has all the other States' cities beat.....

Superman #75 - $25-$69 in your average comic shop here.

Some stores are even BUYING them back at $20 a pop (that's the store
selling them for $69).  This is is what I observed on Friday afternoon
approx. 5 pm. from five downtown comic shops (S. Snail, D.Lady, 
G.Region, Beguiling and Y.Heroes)

Unbelieveable.  Especialy since variety stores everywhere will soon
have the newsstand copies...

Absurd.

Greg
)
From: isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: H.H.J.J. and some intersting News
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:54:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > This I don't really know about, but hasn't the use of the Innocent
 > by Reason of Insanity verdict been rendered obsolete.  I remember
 > reading a THE LAW IS AN ASS collumn by Robert Ingersol on this after
 > the A.2001 BatMan annual used it.  I could be wrong.

No, if you're not mentally competent to stand trial you can still be ruled
Insane.  Insanity is, after all, a legal term and not a psychiatric one.
They may not like to say someone's "innocent" because they're insane, but
you can still be deemed insane.

What HAS been rendered obsolete, for the most part anyway (there may still
be some exceptions) is the "diminished capacity" defense.  That's the one
where Dan White shot mayor George Moscone and fellow Supervisor Harvey Milk
in San Francisco, and was declared "not guilty due to reasons of diminished
mental capacity".  His defense was that he hadn't been eating right lately,
specifically he'd been eating too many Twinkies, and it had disrupted his
normal mental balance and he wasn't in control of himself.  He actually got
off on that one, but it's since been ruled an invalid defense.  Don't worry
about ol' Dan though -- he ended up blowing himself away some years later.

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From: michaell@snake7.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: "Last" Superman stories
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:34:54 GMT

In article <1eh7uuINN12p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>
>A couple of people responding to my original post on "I'm not
>buying Superman #75" have pointed out that two previous "end of
>Superman" type stories -- Jerry Siegel & Curt Swan's "Death of
>Superman" Imaginary Story in SUPERMAN #149 (reprinted in GREATEST
>SUPE STORIES EVER TOLD) and Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to
>the Man of Tomorrow" in the last pre-Byrne issues of SUPERMAN
>and ACTION-- are considered by many to be classics.  Now that
>I think of it, I agree!  The Moore story is a favorite of mine,
>and the Siegel is also touching and well done for its period.
>So perhaps I overstated my case in suggesting that a "death of
>Superman" story HAS to be a cheap exploitation.

It doesn't have to be.  I agree - Moore's story was much better then this one.
I'm holding out a little bit of hope that the post-death plotline is better.
I had been exceptionally pleased with the Super-titles over the last year,
but this plotline (well....) slugfest hasn't had enough of a story except
for Supes and the weak JLA getting the crap beat out of them.

I was impressed by one thing -- they don't ever "explain" Doomsday.  He's
much more A Force Of Nature then anything else.  I'm sure that someday he'll
be better explained, but right now, it's one of the few interesting things 
about this plotline.  Unfortunately, JLA this month didn't deal with the
death very well --- very sappy, really.  Those oh-so-convienient armbands.

I'll remain optimistic that something interesting will come out of the plotline
- the effect on Supergirl/Matrix will be extremely interesting, along with Lex.
I do think they have some good storylines till he comes back.  (I mean, they
couldn't "really" kill Robin and Supergirl.  And Superman's death is a   
permanent thing?

>
>Note, however, that in neither of those cases did DC try to
>fool anyone into thinking that Supes was REALLY going to stay
>dead; the Siegel story was a self-proclaimed "Imaginary Story"
>and it was well known that the Moore story would be followed
>by Byrne's restart of the Superman series.
>
DC isn't foollng anyone who doesn't deserve it.  I think this might actually
backfire on them longterm.

BTW - a local comic store here was hearing that Superman would be back for
Easter.  I'm thinking it'll be shortly after this spring's Supergirl series,
myself.

-- another thought. This way, no matter what, they won't have to marry Lois
and Clark.....too risky or some such, when he comes back.


Michael
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Requiesicat in Pacem. . .
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:11:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1eg820INNe0b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin) writes:
>	It's not the fact that Supes shows a complete lack of fighting savvy 
>nearly as bad as he showed versus Metallo in Superman #1.

Not only that, but Supes was saved from Metallo when Lex Luthor flew
overhead, and used a teleporter to take Metallo away.  Why?  Because
he didn't want anyone else to kill Superman.  So why not do the same
thing again?

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Supes Funeral pic
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:46:36 GMT

In article <Nov.18.12.18.40.1992.2221@clam.rutgers.edu>  
young@clam.rutgers.edu (Bob Young) writes:
> 
>     To all interested parties, there is a pic of Superman's Funeral
> scene in alt.binaries.pictures.misc. Enjoy!

Could someone please either post this pic on r.a.c.m. or e-mail it to me  
at ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu.  I cant't seen to get it on a.b.p.m.  Please  
hurry! My account dies in two days.

Thanx,
KJ
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From: harry@dnlunx.research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks)
Subject: Re: Tintin Cronology
Reply-To: H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:09:01 GMT

yngvar@imr.no (Yngvar Foelling) writes:

>Of course I have noted that the name of the main character -- Tintin -- is not a
>real name at all.  It's merely one syllable repeated twice, with no indication
>of whether it is a first or last name.  Is that what you were talking about?

A Dutch tintinologue did some research on this, and found out that Tintin
is actually short for 'Valentin' (like Bob is short for 'Robert'). At least
in Brussels, there are or have been some people with first name 'Tintin'.

Harry Fluks
PTT Research, Leidschendam, Netherlands
H.W.Fluks@research.ptt.nl
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: New Titans #93
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:51:26 GMT

I enjoyed this.  I don't think the concept has enough depth to hold
up for many issues, but a couple of months of Teeny Titans mania --
and, incidentally, of the Titans talking to each other instead of
getting into pointless brawls -- should be fun.

	The TEENY TITANS --  1ST Double-Bagged Hologram
	Overpriced Collector's Issue! -- 2.5 pages of
	All-Toon action with the Super-Toons you demanded. ($1.75)

As for the obligatory bits of plot advancement, possibly bad things
are happening to the characters about whom I care least.  I can
live with that.  A long time.  Not that we should take it too seriously
when a disembodied telekinetic reacts to an attack by dropping his
cloak and hockey mask.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"One of my favorite games when I was a kid was 'murder/suicide.'
 Dad would show us a photo and ask us, "Is it a murder or a suicide?"
	  --  Colleen Doran

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Creative Team Changes in Titans Titles
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:58:45 GMT

Most importantly however is the removal of Macguire from pencils on Team Titans
I can only hope this is permanent...now lets see the person who did Terra's
issue :)

-- 
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of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

For those who are sick of the Legion of Net.Heroes and specifically
those who insist that the LNH is not comic-book related:

The term comic-related does not mean there has to actually BE
a comic of the LNH. It means that the posts, stories and characters
in and of the LNH are RELATED (which includes, by definition, any
and all parodies, spoofs, skits or sidebars) to comic books.
Are you telling me that Megaton Man, being a parody of just about
every comic book in existence, ISN'T comic-related? What about when
Marvel rags on themselves, or DC?

An additional argument: There are a LOT of people in the LNH, myself
included, who have had stories published in mainstream comic books.
I personally have sold four Green Arrow stories to DC, an Iron Man
story to Marvel, and a Badger story with art! All of them have been
published - therefore, I am comic-book related and, by extension,
so is anything I post for the LNH! Likewise for a lot of other members.

LNH IS comic-book related. If you have such a deep-seated hatred of
the LNH, don't read it! Just use your kill files. If you and all the
cronies who don't want the LNH around got organized, maybe you could
form squadrons, and then burn books, ignite superhero logos on people's
lawns, lobby against public radio and television broadcasts! The
possibilities are endless, aren't they?

And if this has really gotten your panties in a twist, just be patient.
Eventually, all of us in the LNH will have access to Alt.Comics.LNH
and we won't have to deal with you closed-minded, self-appointed
Jerry Falwellian Net.Police out there. But until then, R.A.C.misc
IS THE PROPER HOME FOR LNH POSTINGS!


					Mein zwei pfenningen,
						Saint.
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From: @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine)
Subject: Re: thor
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:04:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <83738@ut-emx.uucp>, devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Beast) writes:
|> To: klein@seq.uncwil.edu
|> Subject: Re: MARVEL: Thor
|> Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
|> In-Reply-To: <1992Nov12.012445.23513@seq.uncwil.edu>
|> References: <1992Nov10.204902.17571@midway.uchicago.edu>
|> Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
|> Cc: 
|> Bcc: 
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov12.012445.23513@seq.uncwil.edu> you write:
|> >On a different note, could some kind soul summarize what has been going
|> >on lately with Thor for those of us who don't want to be seen buying the
|> >book :)
|> >
|> >                                   
|> 
|> After killing Loki way back in issue #432, Thor was banished for
|> all eternity by Odin (who was actually Loki:Loki channeled himself
|> to Odin's body right after Thor killed him. (Odin was in his sacred
|> Odinsleep and therfore vulnerable). Heimdall, the interim ruler of
|> Asgard gave Thor's hammer and powers to Eric Masterson. Eric now 
|> would become Thor and still retain his own mind. After a lot of
|> practice, Eric became quite successful as the new Thundergod.
|> Mephisto had Odin's soul while Loki was controlling Odin's body.
|> After a father-son confrontation, Odin regained his own body and
|> Mephisto took Loki's soul. Recently, Eric Masterson freed the original
|> Thor from his place of banishment. The old Thor gave Eric Mjolnir,
|> and told him to safeguard Earth; while he himself planned to marry
|> Sif and stay on Asgard as the rightful heir to the throne. Sif meanwhile
|> developed an usual relationship with Eric. Whether she is in love with
|> Eric or not, time will tell. 


I just finished reading this and I wanted to scream! Even Beta Ray Bill didn't
get to KEEP Mjolnir. Odin made a "copy" for a worthy warrior. Now he is going
to let Thor just give it to Eric. I don't think so. 

The Sif plotline is sorta silly. I think she just loves whoever is Thor. Now
that Thor is back to stay with her she should go to him but the authors will
probably mess that up too. 

I wait over a year for this. 

I like the idea that Thor will stay in Asgard for a while and help get the 
Kingdom back in order and have adventures with the warriors three and Sif.
But no Mjolnir is like say Thor will now remove his arm and give it to Eric.

--Jennifer
jlevine@apollo.hp.com
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:37:22 GMT

maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:

>In article <1edof3INN3lq@pollux.usc.edu>, akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit
>Khale) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <BxvJ6K.7tC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>> >
>> >Anyone who tells you that Vicki Vale or Talia is the love of Bat's
>> >life, they obviously have missed something BIG along the way....
>> 
>> Yes, like Julie Madison, Linda Page, Kathy Kane, and most of all Silver
>> St. Cloud. 
>> 

>Those of us who began reading comics in the mid-80s also would put 
>Nocturna on that list.

But my point is, where are any of these women now?  In the Post Crisis,
Selina, Vicki and Talia are they only ones left, and I still think
Selina is the most important.  Just a preferrence on my part.  Vicki is
downright annoying, Lois Lane complex and all, and Talia always reminds me
of a bad B-movie.  Sorry Denny.  I mean, I did enjoy "Son of the Demon"
but it wasn't what I wanted really.  I guess I'll always hold out for
the Bat and the Cat.  Their relationship is just much more FUN.  Talia
is so......  improbable.

Okay, like a hooker turned theif turned rogue's gallery villianess (how
IS that word SPELLED?) is probable.  She just seems a more believable character
than Talia, who is just annoying to me.


just my .02

LJC


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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:20:27 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:

}The Tonight Show did a little thing about it last night (I'm surprised Dave
}didn't do something smart-assy about it). Leno wore the armband while they
}saluted Supes with Before and After:

You left out my favorite (and the first one Leno did):

Before Superman died:
People said, "Look, up in the sky!  It's a bird!  It's a plane!
It's Superman!"

After Superman died:
It's pretty much narrowed down to bird or plane.

--James Preston

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