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From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:53:32 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Seriously, I think the WB is a hell of a lot better than GEM.  I used to have
>an ST, and IMHO, the design of the OS/GUI is horrible.  First of all, the
>OS is, for all intents and purposes, MS-DOS/68K.  Second, I really hate the
>design of GEM.  It consists of two major parts, AES and VDI, and the worst
>thing was that the VDI (graphics) didn't know about the AES (windows).  So if,

The VDI supplies Device Independent Graphics, the screen is driven by the
same commands that drives your printer, plotter, polarid pallette or even
the metafile (vector) device.
 
>for example, you needed to draw a line in a partially obscured window, you'd
>need to query the AES for all the visible rectangles of the window, and then
>set clipping and draw the line for each rectangle.  

What is wrong with this? Few systems have it any other way.

When a 3. party supply an alternative screen, they supply only a screen driver
for the new resolutions. If the VDI knew about AES internal structures, they
couldn't do this without supplying a new AES, which have nothing to do with the
writing on the screen.

Some 3. party offerings have special graphics processors (MATRIX uses Texas),
and this is fully supported in their screen drivers.

Ofcause YOU can write a new level ontop of the AES that supply SCREEN-GRAPHICS!


-Klaus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:11:54 GMT

In <1992Oct7.002522.14688@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.194632.16271@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler) writes:
>>BTW, we do have machines here that have >10 disks of the order of 1GB
>>and larger on them, and I have no problem whatsoever to fill that space
>>in less than a day. In fact I spend most of my time devising ways
>>_not_ to fill that amount of diskspace.

>	What the hell do ya do ? Draw big icons ? :-)


Reducing some Gigabytes of astronomical data. Has anyone a dozen Crays
for cheap ? That would at least reduce the 3 months CPU time per data set
(on a fast DECstation) to something sensible.

Regards,
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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:45:33 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <Paula_Lieberman.06sa@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Natuerlich:  "internal" 24 bit on parts of the DSP56001 don't
                                              ^^^^^^^^
(rather  "internal" 56 bit on parts of the DSP560001. The rest including 
I/O is 24bit).

>mean a whole lot with 16 bit wide digital audio samples...  the last bit is
>at best +- 1/2 LSB.  What higher internal res means is that the truncation
>and round off errors can be minimized -- but the limit is the less than 96
>dB input.......

So what ? Sure if you use a 16bit input to 16bit output scheme, by way of 
ignoring the lower byte, you won't go better than 96dB. Is that a 
limitation of the DSP ? You limited yourself. The DSP can digest 24bit
samples, and when 24bit CODECs become en vogue, you hook up a 24bit CODEC 
and get the 144db. Anyway you don't have to route your I/O thru the CODEC, 
if you do something else than just sample recording/playing. 

Nat!
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Crap CD-I Golf on Show
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:10:49 GMT

philip@utstat.toronto.edu (P McDunnough) writes:
>Seems to me I've heard this before! In any case, these are bad economic
>times and I doubt that people will spend money on high priced consumer
>goods. I kind of suspect that the SNES will have the final say.

Or Sega -- they just intro'd their CD-ROM addon yesterday.  But then,
Nintendo and Sony have announced that they'll _both_ be making SNES
compatible game/CD systems (and discs) by mid-1993.

>If you really want to see bad multimedia buy an MPC PC. So much hype and so
>very little of substance. Both CDTV and CD-I are far above that poor excuse
>of a "standard" (which I have).

Must be true... I've seen the same comment from too many others who own
both CD-I/CDTV and MPC units.

>I suspect that CD's will not become popular until prices become reasonable.

I tend to agree that the mass consumer may not understand why some
discs will have a high price.  OTOH, books have similar $$ variations.

>[...]  The other thing is to get away from the audio CD
>specification and have these things output data at a better rate. 

Yes.  But it'd have to be as cheap to make as CDs.

PS: hot unconfirmed rumor - Apple will port Kaleida's Script-X to CD-I.
Supposedly, this would mean that future titles could run on both CD-I
players and Apple's Sweet Pea player.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites?  Read this!
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:05:06 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <18123@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier) writes:
>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites?  Read this!
Summary: 
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Thanks Dan for his eye opening post, and special thanks to all those who still 
 BUY their software( gee what at novel idea ) . 


I would also like to express my special thanks to all of those deserving 
assholes who replied to his post and have in some other time in the past 
participated in some form or another of PIRACY.  It is because of you good 
people that Amiga software has been pulled from most retail outlets, 
Amiga support been discontinued, and Amiga software quality declined.

If you people want to see CBM and the Amiga survive beyond the AGA chipset 
generation, WE loyal Amiga users MUST support software developers and vendors
through buying the quality software that`s out there and letting them know 
what you do/do not like about the product they sell.

So we can`t change the world and make CBM get their heads out of their ass, 
but that doesn`t matter much.  We can all say that CBM still makes the 
best machine out there and will continue to do so so as long as there 
are users support the market.  Face it, the Amiga is a damn cool machine
but it won't be worth more than an Atari in a couple of years if this 
PIRACY continues.  An awesome machine is no better than its software.

  
We DON'T want to go down in history with ATARI.  

-dk

 
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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: Graphix on the A4000...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:05:02 GMT

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:

>The 72 modes don't flicker all that much, because they have a 72 Hz refresh
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
72 Hz is absolutely *rock steady*. A flicker fixer only does 50Hz, and I
can see it flicker slightly. Workstations use ~72Hz.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:58:04 GMT

>: And that's not even mentioning that the Amiga, as well as having 4
>: 8-bit data channels, has a 6-bit volume control for each.  Using the
>: 8-bit data channels, and the 6-bit volume for each, it's possible to
>: simulate a higher bandwidth.
>: 
>
>There's no question that the Amiga has great hardware support for MODs;
>the proof is in the fact that it can play them with virtually no CPU load,
>something that the unassisted DACs of most PC sound boards cannot do.
>However, as in all areas, PC's are improving in the area of sound.  For about
>$140, you can now get a wavetable synthesis sound card for the PC.  This has
>the mixing and resampling hardware necessary to play MODs without the aid of
>the CPU, as well as 16-bit samples, 44.1KHz sampling rate, on-board RAM for
>storing samples, and *32* channels (16 panning voices in stereo).

	Sounds like you're describing the Gravis Ultrasound to me, was it
   ever released?

						G.Greene


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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Its a sad sad day...
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:37:12 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Oct10.210025.15846@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>Heh he, trust me on this one.  The zero insertion CPUs are SO SIMPLE,
>even my MOTHER could do it.  And that is saying a LOT.

Intel hasn't released the 486DX2/66 for 486/33 systems yet.  The ones that
they are currently selling have an incompatible pinout.

>Look, we're talking about using Overdrive sockets and zero insertion
>force CPU ungrades here.  I would hardly say that switch a 486/33 CPU
>to a 486DX2/66 CPU would *waste* a lot of the better CPU.  The other
>components wouldn't be BAD.  Of course, one can upgrade memory/HD, etc etc
>whole motherboards if they want, but CPU-only upgrades a re very efficient.

There are a lot of 486 systems out there that don't hve an overdrive socket.

>I don't know all th ins and outs of NT, but from what I have read, it will
>offer all that UNIX provides, with the exception of remote displays.  Plusses
>to NT include Windows, DOS and probable OS/2 compatibility.    
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This does not work in the current "beta" release.

>I cannot tell you, for however many times I've played dopey black and white
>'asteroid' type games on a DEC or Sparc and think 'gosh, this machine is being
>wasted wrt games potential'.  Not to mention the zillions of (more boring)
>bussiness apps.
>
>Keep in mind that NT is meant to run on powerful 486, 596s, Alpha, MIPS R4000,
>and multiprocessor machines.  We're not talking about average 'users'
>using a MIPS R4000 , are we?

I would bet that DEC will make more money selling Alpha boxes with VMS than
any other OS.

And I would bet that most R4000 users will want UNIX.

SGI has said that they will support NT on their base machine, but they believe
that it is useless for their high end platforms.  Rather than selling source
licenses to vendors as AT&T does, Microsoft will do all the ports themselves.
This will prevent vendors from tuning NT for particular applications and
platforms.

Check out comp.os.os2.advocacy.  The fur is flying over there.  One guy
from Microsoft was claiming that preemptive multitasking isn't important.
He was also claiming that during his "extensive" use of UNIX that he never
ran more than ome process at a time except for system daemons.  He said that
you can only do real multitasking on UNIX if you use X.

Since I've been multitasking with UNIX for 10 years without X, I have to
wonder just what point he is making about NT.

--
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <35618@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
 >
 >Note that Apple may be in a better position to make such a move because
 >their volume/profit is spread over more systems and perhaps because they
 >didn't have much choice if they wanted to have new software to perform
 >"effectively" on all their hardware.

Hmm, sorry, but I claim this very argument always for Commodore! We do
have the broadest palette of different computer worlds, with our three
lines of C64, Amiga, and PCs! Ok, Apple offers more Mac models than we
have Amiga models, but don't forget the even bigger picture.

-- 
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From: jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas)
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:58:07 GMT

In article <sqvzanm@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>Dave...
>As much as I disagree with everything Marc Barret writes (weeeeel.. 99.9% of
>the time...), I've got to say this:

I agree with a lot of the things he says.  The problem with most of his
stuff is that he over-exaggerates.  To the point of passing truth, which is
really too bad.

I mean, condensed, he's said that IDE is bad, no new blitter in A4000 is bad,
no new resolutions in AGA is bad, marketing has no clue, R&D is low,
I would definitely agree with those things.

>Get a life!

I have often tried to claim I don't have one.  Apparently, at least according to
one person, I'm not allowed to claim this :)

>God, your posts are the most obnoxious, drivelley, snot-nosed things I've ever

Good, that was exactly the way I had intended this post.
However, I certainly hope you refer to "post" and not to "posts".  I have
no wish to have "posts" be obnoxious, drivelley, or snot-nosed.  E-mail
me with your problems and I'll certainly try and contain myself next time.

>seen on the net! You act like the Pope of Usenet, passing judgement on all of

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far.  Perhaps you haven't seen marc at his
finest?  His post was originally in csa.hardware, where it was unwelcome,
where it was pointed out as unwelcome, where it was continued to be posted.
Same with csa.graphics.

>the lesser beings before you grind us beneath your feet.
>I mean, jeez...

Yes, well, in my favor, I at least kept it in csa.advocacy.... ;)

><<fart>>

Perhaps the way I sounded was because I wanted to avoid -those- kind of
phrases?  Err, and before I get accused of passing judgement -- those kinds of
phrases just aren't -my- style, but it was definitely the reaction I had when
I saw Marc's continued activities in .graphics and .hardware.  I mean, .misc
is one thing, and even posting something obnoxious and putting a followup-to
line might make sense.  It has been getting rather ridiculous, though....

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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites? Read this!
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:47:13 GMT

barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

Way to go Dan, you should have reported those guys to the spa, they deserve
it.

hook

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 2MEG CHIP RAM (a problem?)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
: 
: > Add virtual memory, DIG, and DOS emulation to AmigaOS, and then tell me how
: > slim it is.
: 
: Err...  For this to be fair, shouldn't you add AmigaDOS emulation to the PC?
: 

No.  Windows has DOS emulation built-in.  You think that particular feature
comes for free and doesn't occupy any space?  My point was that the whole
comparison cannot really be made fair.

:
: -Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@lise.unit.no)
:
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:41:34 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct15.013705.11160@zds-oem.zds.com>, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.205114.327@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.042705.20619@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
> 
>   btw, Intel is pricing the 486sx chips pretty low in an effort to kill
> off the 386 clone market, I suspect.  Lets hope Motorola at least trys
> to remain competitive with the Intel pricing structure.
> 

	Intel probably sells.. what 10 times the number of 'desktop computer'
	chips as Motorola.  And it used to be that you saw 680x0 series as
	multiprocessor machines, now you're starting to see 486s.

	I hope the 060 is a worthy competitor to the P5.

	Did Motorola really stop making the 88xx0 series?  I remember reading
	that it was to be *the* RISC processor of the 90s.

>>Paul Secinaro
> 
> -- 
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:52:18 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Software Piracy
 <92288.190953MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct15.041325.7062@newshost.unh.edu>

In article <1992Oct15.041325.7062@newshost.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory
G Greene) says:

>>Piracy is the rule, not the exception, in the PClone community. I've seen it
>>and I know whereof I speak.

>        I must of missed that survey.  Who did it?  9 out 10 IBM disks
>   are pirated, thats incredible.  I guess I'm out of touch with reality
>   as I BUY all my software.

You're the exception, not the rule, and I congratulate you for your honesty.

> Can you imagine, IBM has sold around 1.7
>   million copies of OS2 2.0,

Out of interest, does this include all those automatically-bundled deals?
It would be more handy to know how many copies have been sold individually.

>since that represents the 1 out of 10 copies
>   that are legit, that means there could be over 15 million illegal copies
>   of OS2 2.0 out there.

Naw. What self-respecting pirate is going to use up 30 megs of hard drive
space for OS/2? They need that space for Leisure Suit Larry 5!

> With that kind of base, where the heck are all
>   the OS2 native applications. :)

That's the problem with piracy!

Incidentally, if anyone's curious, I buy all my Amiga stuff. I'm doing this
because with the Amiga market in its usual precarious state, the good ol'
software developers need all the encouragement they can get. And no, I don't
"audit" pirate copies beforehand, because the reality is that it becomes
awfully hard to convince yourself to buy something you already have...

"But," you may be asking, "don't you get burned all the time, wasting
money on bad software?" No, cause I'm real careful and check out lots of
demos and reviews before buying. Usually I end up right on target.

Now the PClone world, on the other hand, has rampant, unbelievable piracy.
The 9 out of 10 figure is NOT an exaggeration. I've seen it myself. For
a lot of software it's probably more than 9 out of 10! But on the other
hand there are so damn many of the things (PClones) out there that software
manufacturers can still make a profit off of the slim proportion of honest
clone users.

                  "Two hundredth verse, same as the first!"
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