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From: ray@Celestial.COM (Ray Jones)
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:40:21 GMT

In <1992Dec23.194845.27544@ssc.com> markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:

>Alan Batie (batie@agora.rain.com) wrote:
>: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>: >Additionally, there is NO salt used at all on the roadways, just sand 

>I don't think that's true for Seattle.  There was something about
>them trying that new synthetic ice melter this year.

During the last snow storm an official of the county road department was
being interview on the news and stated that the mix on the roads was 90%
sand and 10% salt.
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The probability of one or more spelling errors in this missive approaches
From: jerryg@jaiser.pail.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Who Calls The Shots at Powell's Technical Bookstore
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 08:29:40 PST
Organization: Jerry's Attic, Gaston OR

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:

> I thought admirers and customers of Powell's bookstore in Portland might
> enjoy this anecdote:
> 
> I ordered a slew of Powell's gift certificates for friends and relatives in
> Portland, which they mailed to me (as I live in Seattle), over the phone.
> When the package containing the gift certificates arrived, I discovered that
> it also contained (besides several Powell's bookmarks) a business card for
> Powell's Technical Bookstore, elegantly embossed with the name of the store,
> address and phone numbers.  In the are on the card where the employee's name
> and title are printed was printed:
> 
>                                     FUP
>                                  Store Cat
> 

It's good to see the Fup the store cat is still around. I haven't been into
their new building, but at their old address she/he used to wander the store
and sit on the window sills and watch the world go by. Cute kitty.

--
Jerry Gaiser (jerryg@jaiser.rain.com)              (voice) 503-359-4017
Fidonet 1:105/380                                    (bbs) 503-359-5111
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                                                 .. I read banned books ..
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn)
Subject: Re: The Recession
Date: 26 Dec 92 08:48:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>>The Center for Business Cycle (?), the official arbiter of economic
>>trends, has declared that the latest US recession ended in March 1991,
>>and we have been in a recovery ever since.

Rick Wojick responds:

>For their next trick, they will show how people can be resurrected from the
>dead by defining life in just the right way.

That's not really fair.  This is really a reflection of the fact that the
official definition of "recession" has never been what the public thinks 
it is.  The definition is concerned with the _slope_ of a graph of GNP; a
recession begins when the graph falls (negative slope) for two consecutive
quarters and ends when the graph resumes climbing again, no matter how much
height was lost in the meantime.  The public's perception is more closely 
tied to the _height_ of the graph; times are not perceived to be better until
GNP has returned to roughly the level it had before the recession began, the 
lost ground made up.  That necessarily always occurs after the official end of
the recession.  In a slow recovery, like this one, quite a while after.
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:51:04 GMT

mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo) writes:

>Here's what I was trying to say in my statement.
>Our retirement depends upon having a good economy when we
>retire.  We should invest in a manner that will give us a surplus of food,
>a surplus of housing, cheap health care, factories that crank out
>products at little cost, etc, etc..  This is the invest in private
>industry scenario.  The alternative is to have a large government,
>large social programs, etc..  This won't get us very far if the economy
>isn't booming.  A few government programs do invest in the future:
>meals for kids, education, infastructure spending.  I'm not against putting
>retirement dollars into those.


Something that caught my eye in your response was the sentence "This is the
invest in private industry scenario."  I'm not saying it's good or bad,
although personally, I lean towards investing in private industry, but a
red flag went up in my brain and made me think of the following question:
Would those industries/companies gaining investiture from the government
have an unfair advantage because of the government wanting to make sure
they don't fail?  I mean, might there be incentive for the government to
lean their way to make them profitable?  It may sound like an extremely
dumb question, but I just thought this type of private industry investment
*could* lead to all sorts of problems if it weren't done with some sort of
checks and balances.

allen
From: wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: eskimo.1992Dec31.185715.440
Distribution: pnw
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

In article <1htk7kINN939@usenet.pa.dec.com> mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo) writes:
>
>                                                             (Extreme example:
>If in the future we can crank out a heart-bypass operation for the price of a 
>sack of potatoes, then there will be no problem funding heart-bypass 
>operations.)
>
>--Bob

Based on past history, I think the alternate scenario is more
likely:  Very few people will be able to afford a sack of
potatoes!
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
From: pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe)
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem 
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:41:02 GMT

Crystal had written about hearing the Cos's advice "turn in the
direction of the skid ..." in a tight spot. Happened to me too,
in Tulsa in 1975.  (Yoowza - where'd that station wagon come from???)

On the "I can drive in snow" thread - I heard a statement that I
agree with.  Most of the people who say "I'm from BigSnowState
and I know how to drive in Snow" usually are missing two crucial
differences: wet snow and hills. And irregular snow falls.  That's 
three. [Amoung the differences are ...]

With out the regualr snowfall there is less chance to practice.
The wet snow makes for slick roads in a heartbeat, and the hills
just tend to negate SOP for intersections (The snow and ice rules
are that traffic up the hill has right of way unless you are sliding
sideways down the hill.  Sliding down the hill backwards is still a
2 point penalty.)

Me ... I live close to the store, if it Snows I walk.
If it rains I walk, if the sunshines I walk, if there's
fog I walk.
-- 
Pyotr aka Peter D. Hampe : eka pyotr@halcyon.com
Next Months Panel Topic: "Us and Them: Eliminating Them."
EOF
-- 
Pyotr aka Peter D. Hampe : eka pyotr@halcyon.com
Next Months Panel Topic: "Us and Them: Eliminating Them."
EOF
From: fawcett@sgihbtn.sierra.com
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: What does ``turn into a skid'' really mean?
Keywords: What not to do.
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:44:34 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc.

In article <1992Dec21.233624.21483@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com>, ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto ) writes:
|> 
|> In the following article extract Bill states:
|> 
|> From article <1992Dec18.021006.26784@Celestial.COM>, by bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell):
|> > 
|> > One thing that will help many people is to find a large, empty
|> > parking lot when it snows and play in the snow to find out what
|> > your car does in different conditions.
|> > 
|> 
|> Note:  I do not recommend this.  I almost received a negligent driving
|>        ticket once doing such.  A real addition to Bill's advice is to
|>        first check with the local, and state affecting laws regarding
|>        such activity.
|> 
|>                            Tim....     10

I thought that the police could only give out tickets on public
property (roads and the like).  If this was a private parking lot, as
in a shopping center for example, they would be restricted.

I was told once, after an accident in a mall parking lot, that the cop
couldn't give the other guy a ticket for this very reason.  Has the law
changed?

---
 John W. Fawcett, Manager of Systems Software |          Halliburton
 Sierra Geophysics, Inc.                      |     ______    ______  ______
 A Halliburton Energy Services Group Company  |    /____     /_____  /  ___ 
              fawcett@sierra.com              |   /______   ______/ /_____/
From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: just when you thought you had heard it all
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:45:24 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <MS-C.724879834.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
:
:I wonder, with the current push to get homosexuals into the military and to
					^^^^^^^^^^^^
:get women into combat duty, if we will see similar lawsuits about failure to
:disclose that combat is an activity in which you can get seriously injured,
:maimed for life, or killed?

Homosexuals have alread died for this country many times over in all our
wars.  Your statement concerning them is unwarranted.

Women have served and died in most of our wars, though no on the scale
of men, and you fail to note that death is a normal consequence of serving
in time of war.  

Stating that queers and women will whine about the fortunes of war
is pretty weak, Mark.

Your little display over your upset at this frivilous lawsuit has once 
again ruined your origional point.  You have, once again, stepped over 
the line into nonsense.




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.
From: jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Seagate internals, $100
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: eskimo.1992Dec31.132531.22739
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I have a Seagate internal 157N for sale, that will format out
to about 45 megs with Silverlining.

I'm asking $100,
please email replys to:  jammer@eskimo.com

And have a Happy New Year, thanks for taking the time to read my ad!
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: Test
Date: 27 Dec 92 02:01:17 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

Testing...  I hope this gets out to the _real_ world...

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: test
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:03:55 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

Test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
From: damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com (Randy Vice)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: test
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:37:41 EST
Organization: The Nostromo BBS

test

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
damocles@nostromo.eisley.wa.com     :  Where is Bruce Morrow when you need 
damocles@eisley.wa.com              :  him? -- BillyBob Bork, CEO, B5 Corp.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms." -- Samual Adams
Newsgroups: pnw.test
From: gbaldwin@eldec.com (-)
Subject: Testing
Organization: ELDEC Corp.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:24:09 GMT

This is a test. 

Gordon
From: briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: YAPT
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:12:54 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Automated Retail Systems, Seattle, Wa

Yet another posting test
-- 
D. Brian Kimmel           /    briank@ars2.UUCP   \   The Emerald City....
Director of R & D        \  Voice  (206) 325-8922  / Seattle, Washington.
Automated Retail Systems  \  Fax  (206) 325-9127  / Standard disclaimer(s).
From: briank@Kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG (D. Brian Kimmel)
Newsgroups: pnw.test
Subject: test
Date: 25 Dec 92 09:17:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: Kimbro.Bzt5tA.8r7
Distribution: pnw
Organization: D. Briank Kimmel - home system

test
-- 
D. Brian Kimmel - home system	Email: briank@kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG
Seattle,  WA        (206) 937-5742      Modem: (206) 937-6779
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Voicemail system for sale
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ht2e2INN63e
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

For sale:
Voicemail system
999 voicemail boxes
Message forwarding 
FCC approved
Used for (900) business, or for starting a voicemail box rental company
New in box, have 10 for sale
$3,985 new, will take $999.00 for each unit
Call Darrell at (206)322-3510
From: colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: custom wheels
Keywords: custom wheels for sale
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:36:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Dec21.203650.5360
Distribution: pnw
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

4, 14" X 4.5", "Ultra" brand, diamond mesh custom wheels.  These will fit many 14"
Japanese & American cars.  I have run these on a Toyota Van which I've had for about
a year.  They're in excellent condition and I'd like to get them out of my garage so
how about $35 ea.........thats less than the stock rims I just purchased from a
wrecking yard!  

Gary
From: topcat@hardy.u.washington.edu (Thanh - Vincent)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: WANTED:  scsi & i/o card, case & p/s
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:12:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1hm5rsINN1fa
Reply-To: topcat@u.washington.edu
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu


hi folks
i am looking for a midsize tower case with power supply preferably >=230W
also a scsi card controller
and an i/o card with 1ser/1par/1game

thanks
topcat@u.washington.edu
From: tomr@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Rideout)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Half Price Rose Bowl Tickets
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:47:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.8450027
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

2 Rose Bowl Tickets for the price of one.
Call Tom at (206) 794-0911


(Cross posted with Seattle.forsale)
From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Items For Sale
Keywords: sale
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:54:34 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA


                         VARIOUS ITEMS FOR SALE

Since I will be leaving the country in early January, I have to sell the
following items at fire sale prices.

Email me at uunet!tsw!ray or call Ray at 206-823-2059.


                               HI-FI SYSTEM

All items come with original factory documentation.


Dahlquist DQ-10 Phased Array Speakers w/ Oak Stands   $300.00 the pair

  Originally $1080 per pair. Each has five speakers in a phased array.


KMA Turntable with SME Series III Pick-Up Arm         $150.00
Will throw in a Shure V15 Type V Cartridge

   If you're looking for the ultimate in disc playback technology, this
is the unit. This is a recording studio quality manual turntable. I used
this unit to transfer my out-of-print discs to digital tape.


Miller & Kreisel Goliath II Sub Woofer                $100.00

   This baby will make your neighbors think there's an earthquake.
Crossovers at 50, 75, 100, 125, and 150 Hz. Can be bi-amplified with
one or two channels. The unit is massive, in solid black walnut case
with smoked glass top. It is a perfect match for the Dahlquists. It
is hungry and will require at least 100 watts/channel RMS to drive it
properly.


Kenwood KR-9600 AM-FM Stereo Receiver                 $150.00

   Suitable for driving the Dahlquist/Goliath combination. Power is
nominally rated at 160 watts/channel, but tests have show that true RMS
power is more like 180 watts/channel. Features include dual tape monitors,
recording stream sound injection, dual independent amplification,
dual speaker outputs, full range of inputs and outputs, pre-amp output.
Rack mountable with rack handles. Will throw in low-impedance speaker
cables.



                        1985 Honda CB650 Motorcycle

    Dark Blue, has only 3500 miles. Faring and passenger backrest
    included. Classic "rice-burner", with teardrop tank. Drive is
    by driveshaft (no chain to break or go out of adjustment), with
    pneumatic lifters. Mechanically perfect, minor cosmetic blems.

                              $750 or best offer
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray Izumi, The System Works, Redmond, WA     206-823-4685      uunet!tsw!ray
"Put the pillow over your head, scream and cry - the garbage is coming!"
           - New York City Commissioner of Sanitation
From: garys@homer.ds.boeing.com
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: sell: girls mtn bike
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: homer.1992Dec21.090423.1
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group

Turquoise open-frame (girls) mountain bike
Lightly ridden, just outgrew it.
Didn't measure it, about 14? inch frame.
Sekai Mini-mountaineer.  
call 747-8660. Factoria area.
From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Various For Sale
Keywords: sale
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:07:14 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA


                         VARIOUS ITEMS FOR SALE

Since I will be leaving the country in early January, I have to sell the
following items at fire sale prices.

Email me at uunet!tsw!ray or call Ray at 206-823-2059.


                               HI-FI SYSTEM

All items come with original factory documentation.


Dahlquist DQ-10 Phased Array Speakers w/ Oak Stands   $300.00 the pair

  Originally $1080 per pair. Each has five speakers in a phased array.


KMA Turntable with SME Series III Pick-Up Arm         $150.00
Will throw in a Shure V15 Type V Cartridge

   If you're looking for the ultimate in disc playback technology, this
is the unit. This is a recording studio quality manual turntable. I used
this unit to transfer my out-of-print discs to digital tape.


Miller & Kreisel Goliath II Sub Woofer                $100.00

   This baby will make your neighbors think there's an earthquake.
Crossovers at 50, 75, 100, 125, and 150 Hz. Can be bi-amplified with
one or two channels. The unit is massive, in solid black walnut cabinet
with smoked glass top. It is a perfect match for the Dahlquists. It
is hungry and will require at least 100 watts/channel RMS to drive it
properly.


Kenwood KR-9600 AM-FM Stereo Receiver                 $150.00

   Suitable for driving the Dahlquist/Goliath combination. Power is
nominally rated at 160 watts/channel, but tests have show that true RMS
power is more like 180 watts/channel. Features include dual tape monitors,
recording stream sound injection, dual independent amplification,
dual speaker outputs, full range of inputs and outputs, pre-amp output.
Rack mountable with rack handles. Will throw in low-impedance speaker
cables.



                        1985 Honda CB650 Motorcycle

    Dark Blue, has only 3500 miles. Faring and passenger backrest
    included. Classic "rice-burner", with teardrop tank. Drive is
    by driveshaft (no chain to break or go out of adjustment), with
    pneumatic lifters. Mechanically perfect, minor cosmetic blems.

                              $750 or best offer
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray Izumi, The System Works, Redmond, WA     206-823-4685      uunet!tsw!ray
"Put the pillow over your head, scream and cry - the garbage is coming!"
           - New York City Commissioner of Sanitation
Xref: sparky pnw.forsale:2471 misc.forsale:34155 seattle.forsale:635
From: lorbeski@sumax.seattleu.edu (Robert J. Lorbeski)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale,misc.forsale,seattle.forsale,na.forsale
Subject: For Sale: 1992 27 foot Alpenlite 5th wheel
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:36:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1hjme5INNat0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

1992  27 foot Alpenlite 5th wheel in perfect condition fully equipped
4500 miles asking $23000.

Please call 602-342-1833 after January 5th, ask for Milt.
From: urakawa@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Bryan Urakawa)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: WANTED:  40M IDE (CHEAP)
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:19:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Dec21.191956.21664
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

[ Article crossposted from seattle.forsale ]
[ Author was Bryan Urakawa ]
[ Posted on Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:17:15 GMT ]

I need to find a 40M IDE drive for CHEAP.

Bryan
From: patm@homer.ds.boeing.com
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: SoloFlex ForSale
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:49:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: homer.1992Dec21.124901.1
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group


*************************** Must Sell *******************************

SoloFlex  with all attachments. Mint Condition

        Butterfly
        padded bench
        Leg Extension never used
        2 posters of all excercies, one mans and one womans.
        I would like to get $850 or best offer.


Pat Mitchell 630-1749

Please call after 6 PM
or

E-Mail to mitchell@atc.boeing.com or patm@homer.ds.boeing.com

*********************************************************************
From: garys@homer.ds.boeing.com
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Re: sell: girls mtn bike
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:42:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: homer.1992Dec22.104207.1
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group

In article <1992Dec21.090423.1@homer.ds.boeing.com>, garys@homer.ds.boeing.com writes:
> Turquoise open-frame (girls) mountain bike
> Lightly ridden, just outgrew it.
> Didn't measure it, about 14? inch frame.
> Sekai Mini-mountaineer.  
> call 747-8660. Factoria area

Forgot to mention price:  $120
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale