From: warren@pws.ma30.bull.com (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Grand Facade: Are (legal) abotions safe?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:41:33 GMT

greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>warren@pws.ma30.bull.com (Warren Lavallee) writes:
>>Dr. Horton Dean is a gynecologist with a private practice near LA.
>>Since 1973 he has seen a marked increase in the number of patients
>>with significant complications- both mental and physical- as a
>>result of legal abortions.  "I am convinced," he said, "that Planned
>>Parenthood programs pose the greatest health hazard in America today."

>First of all, you choose a male gynecologist from LA, of all places, as
>your source of information.  Second, all of his information is either
>anecdotal or "estimated."  But the real killer was this garbage about
>how the "Planned Parenthood programs pose the greatest health hazard in
>America today."
>Warren, no one with even half a brain could believe that PP is a worse
>health scourge than, say, poverty and its associated malnourishment, or AIDS
>for God's sake, or Bush's veto of the Family Leave bill, or toxic waste,
>or even plain old overpopulation.

Perhaps people do not know everything there is to know about Planned
Parenthood?  I suggest anyone who finds the above paragraph from my
previous article hard to believe read a book all about Planned Parenthood.
It's called "Grand Illusions."  I have it at home and can EMail more specific
information to interested parties.  It's was sponsored by Operation Rescue.
Once you read the book, if you are willing to pursue this, and haven't
already decided to turn your back on this, then it will open your eyes.  What
the media says is often far from the truth.

>Warren, doesn't the good doctor's statement strike you as just a little
>bit overblown?

Not at all.  What do you know about Planned Parenthood?  You know about 
poverty and its associated malnourishment, AIDS, Bush's veto of
the Family Leave bill, toxic waste, and even plain old overpopulation.
But what do you know about Planned Parenthood?

>>[from interview in July 1987]  He estimates that as many as fifteen
>>percent of all first trimester, forty percent of all mid-trimester,
>>any ninety percent of all late-trimester abortions result in problems
>>demanding serious medical attention.

>Disregarding the fact that these are only the good doctor's own
>estimates (based upon what real data?)

[Based on California Obstetrical/Gynecilogical tabulated responses
to a five year statistical survey.]

>					without further information,
>this is like saying that 90 percent of bowling accidents in which a
>person is injured with a shotgun are fatal.  We don't know how many
>bowling accidents are due to shotguns just as you have not provided us
>with information detailing how many abortions are performed in the
>third trimester vs. the first.  Secondly, you not specify
>if these statistics include all abortions, or just legal abortions.

It would take MB's to type all the data in.  Do the work yourself.
 If you are interested in all this, You have references to everything.
Like I said, look it up and see for yourself.  Where have you got DATA
to support your beliefs?  Do you have any at all or do you rely on 
information from Planned Parenthood and the media?

>What is the definition of "serious medical attention?"
>	- You are so messed up that the doctor gets to buy a new suit
>	- You are so messed up that the doctor gets to buy a new car
>	- You are so messed up that the doctor gets to buy a new house
>	- You are so messed up that your medical bill pays for a new
>	  wing on the hospital and the lawyers start buying new
>	  houses.

ibid.

>How about a short summary of all the information you found in the
>list of publications you posted?  Not that I would believe your reading
>of the information but it's better than nothing.  What ARE the
>abortion statistics in Hungary?

Look it up.  See for yourself.  Get information.  Expose the truth.

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