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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 08:39:33 EST

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

> In <92349.135050SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> wri
> 
> +>My question for you all is - what can I read?  I need a book that's
> 
> 
> 	Spawn - If you can get past all the noise and all the various
> 		personalities/issues surrounding image, this is a good
> 		book. 

What, really?  I've been trying, but I've been having trouble getting 
past the verbiage and the gore.  What makes you call it "good"?

> 
> 	Savage Dragon - This is a book that some people think is OK, but
> 
> 	With the exception of the books you listed as ones you read already, 
> thats about it.  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


Nonsense!  You left out all sorts of good ones:

- Grendel: War Child
  It's downright brilliant, in the classic Matt Wagner style.

- Doom Patrol
  If you're in the mood for clever nonsense (in contrast to vacuous 
nonsense).  I little goes a long way, but it is very, very clever.

- The Hacker Files
  Also clever, with subtle characterization and good plots.  There was a 
twist in the latest issue that delighted me, and I never saw it coming.

- Batman: Legends of the Dark KNight
  This is variable because different writer/artist teams do the story, 
but it has some of the best Batman material being produced.

- Bone.
  A must-read for anyone with an interest in comics as a continuum of 
history, a medium, a rich genre.

- Usagi Yojimbo.
  No variation in quality here; always good.  Strong stories.  Don't be 
put off by the anthropomorphic look, which you get used to in two pages 
because the stories are so good it becomes irrelevant. 

- The Desert Peach
  One of the most concept-rich, profound, thoughtful comics on the 
market.

...Until Paul Chadwick puts out another regular comic, that's what 
springs to mind off the top of my head.  I'll refrain from mentioning LSH 
(my taste, but not everyone's) and "Tales of the Closet" (which fills the 
gap left when Zot! disappeared, though I don't know how regularly it's 
published.)

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
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Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:04:29 GMT
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The real ending to "Thriller" by Robert Loren-Fleming and Trevor
Von Eden.

--
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"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Comic book tips from Calvin
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:44:50 GMT

If you aren't sure how you should be reading your valuable copies of 
Superman #75 and X-Men #94, then you should read today's (12/22) edition
of Calvin and Hobbes. Now there's a lad who knows his stuff!
-- 
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From: 93jll@williams.edu (Jennifer Lehoczky)
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Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:47:51 GMT
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In article <Bzut2D.F8M@ais.org> saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks) writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.225149.7150@utagraph.uta.edu> hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>>Now that the end of the year is upon us, how about some nominations for
>>the book that has sunk the lowest for this past year?  That is, the
>>book that has fallen off the most in terms of quality (however you
>


>New Mutants was destroyed.

Yes, New Warriors pretty much destroyed the last vestiges of
Claremont's best universe (Nova Roma, hah!). The final nail though, was
X-force (no I don't read it regularly). Where did this thing about Sam
and Lila come from. Don't the writers read back issues. Like NM Ann#1
of NM #42. "We had a fling. It was fun." AUUGH!

Actually, my nomination would go to all of the X-Universe, except
X-Factor has improved enough to offset the massive downward slide of
the other books. Just give it to X- and UX- Men. Excalibur keeps
tempting with signs of life, but it should probably be in there too.

Toby.

"Quartz Accuracy Never Tasted This Good" - Lorus Ad
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
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Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:11:08 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1992Dec23.165306.6017@cis.ohio-state.edu>, friedman@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:
> In article <1ha50aINN84g@uwm.edu> manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz) writes (Libelman):
>>     This is hogwash. You don't see construction workers coming back after
>>10-15 years saying "that building is mine, I made it, I want it back" if he
>>went off crying to the local construction magazines, he'd be laughed out of
>>the union. But Kirby does it, and pea-brains such as yourself are only too
>>eager to jump on his bandwagon. Just goes to show what complete fools some
>>people are.......

> ...and how smart self-published artists/writers and even those Image
> guys are.  If you sign a contract to work for someone, don't come
> bitchin' to me about "creative property" later...

That's one of the great things about Image. Last week I checked out some
of the comics from this company. Boy was I wrong about some of the art.
Jim Lee's Wildcats is just as impressive as his X-Men run, and Liefield
and Murray's Supreme - ooooooooooh. And if these guys can draw Marvel-style
comics AND own the characters - great. Make Mine Image. Comics professionals
are realizing that they are going to be screwed if they work for the corporate
comics cartel and somewhere down the line go and market their own comics.



> 							- Crimson
>
> Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
> "There is nothing former  "Beat poets,    "Bite me,   "My jacket! I killed
>  about King Crimson."      not children."  it's fun!"  Kennedy in this jacket!"
>  - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90   - anonymous     - MST3K     - Ron Post
-- 

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vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Help!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:32:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155030.27576@ghost.dsi.unimi.it>, gaiga@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (alberto gaiga) writes:

[Conty pulls out the shrink ray he just bought from the guy in the corner]
<ZOT!>

>  GUNDAM
>  NEWS
>  WANTED

Ahh, much better!

> 	Please help me!!!
> 	Thankfully, Alberto.

Go to rec.arts.anime, and ask about GUNDAM 0084,
the rumored new Gundam TV series.
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Valiant
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Keywords:  Solar, Bloodshot, Valiant, Ax
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:35:00 GMT

	I was re-reading Bloodshot #2, and a few thoughts crossed my mind 
about Ax and Bloodshot...

	Since Ax can control computers, and computers aren't really anything
more than a pattern of electrons, wouldn't this mean he would have a chance to
control Solar (who's made up of energy)?  Not a good chance, but at least the
ability to slow him down? The same would go for Bloodshot, who could 
"coerce" Ax's armor (which I'm pretty sure doesn't have any silicon in it).
	Also, wouldn't Ax (and Bloodshot) be able to control the HardCorps
cybernetics? Could make for a very interesting story, especially considering
Rai #0 (Gunslinger's talk with Shakespeare about Bloodshot).

	Just my $.02,
	Joe Delisle

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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re:  SOLVED: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:46:19 GMT

rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
> 
> Beeing a *BIG* Spike fan, and even *BIGGER* Malcomb X fan, 
> I went back to check this "thanks to marvel" out.
> 
> The security for the X project were called the "X-Men."
> And in the the "thanks and credits" section, they are listed 
> as the X-Men.

Yes, I noticed that too.  Unfortuantely Marvel couldn't take a joke
and insisted that the complete copyright notice and trademark for the
X-men be included in the credits as well.

> I am going again asap, and I'm paying the $7.50 price for it.

IMHO, the film was worth the 7.50 for the first showing, but I think
I'll wait for video for my second.
-- 
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From: adamb@coombs.anu.edu.au (Adam Bernau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: How many Shadowhawks printed?
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:59:04 GMT
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Well how many number 1's were printed of shadowhawk??

Thanks, Adam

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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: LNH: Origins of an Ant
Summary: The Anti-Man Story #1
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:54:50 GMT
Organization: New York University

And now, the story you've all been waiting for.....

 

                     O R I G I N S  O F  A N  A N T :

                           the anti-man story

                by:  Darkmage, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

   

    Anti-Man is a textbook example of why you should never mix weird

sex with theoretical physics.  It all started with the Bambi twins...

    There are many *-verses in the omni-verse, and each one has its own

unique Anti-verse, composed entirely of Anti-Matter.  But the one that

concerns us is the anti-looniverse, where a certain young scientist (ok,

ok, so he's only a lab assistant) is even now bringing the Bambi twins



(of play.boy (tm) fame) back to the lab for an... interesting... menage-a-

trois involving several lasers, a whip, and a particle accelerator.

    Unfortunately for them, the particle accerlerator had been adjusted

for some very secret experiments (which of course our would be hero knew

nothing about). As soon as he threw the switch, the lab disappeared...

...And reappeared a micro-second later, exactly as it had been before. 

    Only now there were _two_ of them (or 2 of him, 4 Bambis...)

Being a scientist, it didn't take too long for him to figure out that

they'd been flung into a parallel universe, made of normal matter! (The

huge explosion after the Bambi twins tried to hug each other kinda gave

it away...)

    The force of the explosion in turn sent Anti-Anti-Man (man?) back

to the Anti-Verse, but left Anti-Man trapped in the Looniverse...

    ...4ever...



-------------------

Well, guys, that's the first installment of The Anti-Man Story...
Stay tuned for #2: Where Matter meets AntiMatter and Two Worlds Collide
(in which Ant learns that being made of antimatter is not exactly a 
plus with the babes....)

Happy Holidays!


---

 "Stop!  Our doubles are made of antimatter!  If you touch yourself,

               you will cease to exist!!!"

   "D-uh, I always thought it was go blind..."

                    -The Specialists
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From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Blackface Superman! Milestone does it again!
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:13:01 GMT

DC has hit a MILESTONE of social relevance with the upcoming title Icon.

Call it black Superman - lotsa laughs

here is what they say: "In 1839 an alien starliner malfunctioned and
exploded and a jettisoned pod lands in a cotton field in the Deep South"

that's right pilgims, Yassah, a Cotton Field (I digress....

Anyways, a slave named Miriam finds the pod and it mimics human life right
- except here for social relevance it develops pigment as well. Like I said
before, Superman with a black face. Clark Kent has a new name, Augustus
Freeman IV - oh what subtlety - who plays a black shyster (lawyer) who
suddenly discovers black poverty when he discovers a female Robin from the
slums known as Rocket. Yeah, he gets rescued on a plantation and lives for
160 years and STILL doesn't know about poverty.

This is definitely worth checking out 

(coming in Captain America annual #12, the Hispanic Hero Battlin' Bantam.

Looks like the big two are competing for social relevance here......

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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:19 CST
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In article <BzsnBB.3Kv@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes...
>ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec24.000729.21832@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
>>>Quick observations after the first pass:
>>> 
>>>- No Sphinges? That's last time I trust a DC promotional blurbo.

>>Bast suggests to Dream that he should talk to the sphinx (suggesting there is 
>>only one in existance)

>Not necessarily...  It was understood that they were speaking of a 
>particular Sphinx, but there may very well be more than one. :)

Or that Bast only knows of one existing sphinx.  (perhaps they will seek out
the sphinx in the next issue)

>>>- More eye references. I'm assuming that Del's eyes really, truly are 
>>>  both supposed to be green in the final page.

>>Perhaps this is part of the change theme.  Del may be changing back to Delight.

>>After her re-entering her realm, all of her word balloons where one color:  
>>pages 22 and 23 they were a grey outline around a white area, the same pattern 
>>throughout seven balloons.  Her first balloon was solid grey, and when 
>>she became happy again, the next four were rose-colored.

Something i noticed after i posted the first message:  Del's grey/white word
balloons are in the same format as Barnabus's at the beginning of the issue.

>If she *does* change, I don't think it'll be back to Delight...  or at 
>least not the Delight she once was.  She's grown up since then, and will
>never regain her childhood innocence.

Perhaps she will regain her childhood innocence.  After all, she's not a human,
just an anthromorphism.

>Any thoughts on her next incarnation?

Barnabus?     :)

>>And if you will also notice, the colored streaks in Del's hair seem to be 
>>disappearing...

>The fact that she chopped off all her hair *might* have something to do
>with that....  :)

Actually, I meant after she chopped off some of her hair (on the next to last 
page), her hair is blonde.  No green streaks.  No red streaks.  Or at least 
until the close ups on the last page. (although this could be just due to an
error in coloring...hey, maybe that's the central idea in this story arc :)



just a few random thoughts from thomas, aka ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu

Stupid things to say in the Star Wars Universe:
#4:  "Hey guys, let's follow the _Falcon_ into that asteroid field!"

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Canadian Distributors
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 19:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.075510.15381@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>In his last post, Jim states:
>> Certainly.  But Usagi Yojimbo doesn't REALLY sell.  Not even as well as
>> Conan.
>
>No, but marketed properly, its sales could increase tenfold. Think about
>it - a well drawn funny animal comic with serious concepts. Stan Sakai
>has worked for Groo. If your store carries 30 copies of Groo, it should
>be carrying 15 copies of Usagi. There is a crossover of interest here
>that should not be ignored.

Usagi sells two copies per month at my shop.  Groo sells six.  Conan sells four.

>All four stores here in London deal with Andromeda or Styx. I don't know
>why, but am intrigued. Diamond is #1 in Canada? I must be out in the boonies
>here..... (we only have 300 000 people here, but London is a city full of
>"old money")

Diamond's outlet in Vancouver is bigger than Styx and Andromeda put together.
They supply Golden Age in Vancouver, Island Fantasy in Victoria, and numerous
other large stores across Canada.

>stuff. Monster Comics recently did Grant Morrison's colorized Dan Dare
>adventures. They were fabulous. Just think - all the Doom Patrol fans who
>missed out on the 4 issue Dare miniseries. And how many stores will be 
>ordering _666 Mark of the Beast_ #12 from Fleetway, which features ALL
>Alan Moore stories that month. (more griping and whining about badly
>marketed indies with an audience)

I carried Dare, and I'll be getting 666.  I read the orderbooks :)

-------
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Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:51:52 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1hap6vINNm1v@male.EBay.Sun.COM> zombie@EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Amen.  PC sucks.

"Political correctness" is the invention of those sufficiently self-centered
as to dismiss their own responsibility for social change, or sufficiently
stupid as to fail to understand how changes in language influence changes in
society in addition to reflecting them.
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Fave Writers (was fave artists)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 05:24:32 EST

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

> Oh, boy! This thread is better than the artists' one! :^)

Yep!
> 
> The Pinis -- Elfquest

No, no, no.  The tone is always the same.  The same things always happen. 
 The elves don't grow or change, they just have adventures.  
(Iconoclastic and ready-to-be-flamed editorial comment from Elizabeth.)

> Fabian Nicieza  -- New Warriors

I haven't read New Warriors because I didn't know Nicieza was writing it. 
 I must read it.  This guy's writing is superb.

He's on my list for other comics, particularly Nomad.

> Mike Grell -- Green Arrow

Um.... agreed, with reservations.  Grell is another writer who suffers 
from always using the same tone, and he only gets away with it because he 
has a strong visual sense.  He's far from a favourite but I tend to enjoy 
things he has written, especially if I don't read more than one of his 
stories at a time.  (He doesn't wear well, though; I wouldn't re-read his 
stories.)

> Frank Miller -- Elektra (well, the original one anyway)
> 

Agreed, agreed!  Though I'm not sure what you mean by the "original" 
Elektra - the Elekra stories in Daredevil circa #190 or the run of 
"Elektra:Assaassin", or -- ?  But Miller in that era was about as good as 
things ever got in comics.  Since then, he has placed style over 
substance and gone in for satire and shock value to the detriment of 
story.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Looking for Dwight Decker
Date: 22 Dec 1992 23:58:16 GMT
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I've been corresponding occasionally for a number of years
with Dwight Decker, an occasional comics scripter and frequent
writer of fanzine articles, columns and fan fiction, last known
living in the Chicago area.  However, a Generic Winter Holiday
card I sent him this year was returned by the Post Office from
his former P.O. box.  I'd like not to lose touch with him, so,
Dwight, if you happen to be reading this board,  please e-mail
me; or if anyone else knows him and can provide a new mailing
address, I'd appreciate it.  (I don't THINK he moved and
disappeared just to escape receiving the occasional letter or
card from me...)

Dwight is/was a member of the Capa-Alpha apa; any K-A members
here?  He also used to be a regular columnist for AMAZING
HEROES magazine.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Punisher 2099 #1
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:02:13 GMT

Of all the 2099 titles, this appears to have the least to offer that's new.
The milieu is the generic-cyberpunk of 2099, but everything else about
the title is a new Frank Castle caressing a new generation of weapons.
But without the restraint of the current Punisher titles.  

-----
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   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
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