From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETY
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:49:09 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Apr6.194732.9524@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) said:
>In <17610@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>In talk.abortion, franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>>><1992Apr4.225950.26567@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e eliza
>
>>Embarassed??? Why? Leads me to wonder if you've ever had sex, or if
>>you are so inhibited by insecurity that you couldn't enjoy it. Have
>>you ever wondered why humans are the only species on earth that copulate
>>when they wish, instead of when nature dictates? Because it is pleasurable.
>
>   I am embarassed not for myself but society. Sex has been lowered
>to an ACT. Not a hinge of a relationship, not the means to a child,
>not even a shred of responsibility. 

You're right Ron - he's never had sex.

>                                    The end result, the child has
>lost priority and is often forgotten. That's what having sex is
>for dude. 

Sex is for remembering children?  I don't understand your point here.

>          The fact that it feels good is a bonus... 

Heck, I get bonuses all the time then!

>                                                    In any case,
>between beer commercials and your post, you have proved my
>point wonderfully. If I don't have sex, I"m insecure. 

No, you just don't know what you are talking about.

>                                                      Nice. I'll 
>have you know that abstaining from premarital sex is a conscious
>and difficult decision. 

Something that lasted until my 14th birthday.

>                        It's something I"m proud of, and I'm not going
>to be offended by your attempt to mock my practices. 

Be proud of it.  Just don't come in here and tell us what sex is all about
when you've never experienced it first hand.

>   You know why sex is "pleasurable" as you so adeptly summarized it?
>Because if it wasn't, our population would be a bit of a problem.

Seems our population is "a bit of a problem" because it _is_ pleasureable.

>Heck, we humans can't just be content with battling the hell out of other
>species can we? No, we've had to take on our own kind too... Pathetic.

Tell that to your god.  He ordered quite a few deaths, now didn't he.

>And I'm going to try not to be rude, but don't you EVER treat abstinence
>as an insult again. Lemme guess - you obviously didn't wait till marriage
>for sex, but do you wait till Christmas to open your presents? 

Not always.  What's your point?

>                                                               There's
>a time and a place for everything, and promiscuity is sure presenting
>us with a hell of a problem now isn't it?

I don't understand this.  If you have met the woman of your dreams and you
are going to marry her anyway, then why wait?  You are not being
promiscuous when you have sex with your wife, are you?  Does she magically
become some other being after the wedding vows?

>   Incedentally, I don't think there is a shred of insecurity in me.
>However, you and your mentality telling people "if you dont' have sex,
>you ain't normal" has gotta go buddy. You keep telling yourself you're
>macho. I don't wanna hear about it.

Just stop telling people who have had sex, and who are having sex on a
regular basis, what the sex act is all about, *especially* since you've
never had sex yourself.  Look, I've never been sky-diving - does that mean
I should be lecturing those that have on the proper way to land, when to
open their chutes, how fold a chute, etcetera?

Be celibate, just don't tell the rest of us to be celibate.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boyfriend of Susan,
Muriel, Cathi, and Nora, and married to the sweetest woman in the world,
and darn proud of it.
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