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From: alekz@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Alekz Vermont)
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:26:34 GMT

In article <rizzoe.616.726244287@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>I was truly disappointed in the January 4th episode of NX.  None of the 
>threads seemed to work quite right and there were many small points which 
>simply bothered me.
	
i was disappointed as well, but was relieved at the lack of maggie/mike
interaction.  (plus, as far as mike goes, i think the role he was playing
fit his character...not that i like his character :-)  o'connell seemed a
bit more of her spirited self, although "over-spirited" in some areas
(exaggerated to parody levels)  and not spirited enough in others... i did
get a few laughs in...>

>Finally, I was troubled by the fact that Maurice made an anti-gay comment
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to Maggie and went unchallenged.  In previous episodes, I'm thinking of 
>Chris's trial in particular, he has always been called to account for 
>such bigotry.  Two cheers to Northern Exposure for showing gay characters
>in non-stereotyped professions but they should have gone all the way and
>had Maggie challenge Maurice's bigotry rather than let in slide.

i missed this comment, and i usually pick up on things like that... could
someone please re-hash for me?

i must be missing something here, because i've not noticed any characters
being gay (with the exception of the "founders" of Cicely (Cicely &
Roselyn).  i liked the way NEXP dealt with them.... {here i was, thinking
that i was quick to pick up references to homosexuality, etc...}
-alekz
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From: revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver)
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy of Maggie's claims?
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: Dept. of MSE at Illinois-Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:41:59 GMT

In article <1ikemdINNlcf@shelley.u.washington.edu>, vicka@wrq.com (the
Littlest Orc) wrote:

> objects there *on purpose*, perhaps fairly recently.  Maybe Maggie 
> reburied them as a mark of respect for their original owner -- 
> she didn't like the idea of unburying the stuff for collectors 
> and archaeologists to squint at.  
> She also thinks of this kind of respect as a "female" value, opposed
> to the "male" value placed on opening up the site to prying eyes.
> (I don't know that values are really all that gendered myself, but
> since it got set up as Maggie/Marilyn/RuthAnn vs. Maurice/Ron&Eric,
> I can sure see why Maggie could see it that way.)

Wasn't Maggie one of the cheerleaders for opening the box that went around
the world, bugging Fleishman about not having enough curiosity?   Never
mind that the curious doctor poked around RuthAnn's archives for info on
the former inhabitant of his house, etc.  In the context of previous
episodes, I don't think the gender thing comes into play here.  However, of
late, I don't know if any of the shows have a context, i.e., a relationship
to previous episodes.

--Judy Tolliver
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From: alekz@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Alekz Vermont)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:49:23 GMT

In article <93008.083001IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio writes:
>Am I alone in liking this episode? I didn't LOVE it, but I did appreciate

no,  i didn't LOVE it either, but i did like it...it made me laugh, and
there was some interesting character development...even if it wasn't
"likable" character development.  esp. good scenes were [as generally
agreed upon] the dream sequence and the re-burial of artifacts with the
men and women in "separate" camps....

>identified with Maggie's anger. I've HAD Maggie's anger. I've even gone
>off the deep end and ranted in a similar fashion. And believe it or not,

hell, i've been *worse* than maggie, and it *usually* is because of raging
hormones coinciding with my menstrual cycle.  SO WHAT???  pitching a good
fit every 6 months or so is _very_ good for clearing your system.  i
always feel _much_ better after i've put someone i know through my
menstrual torture....  <grin>

>Best line was Chris', at the close of the show... about women using their
>intuition... does someone have the exact quote for me???

was in an earlier posting along with the citation.... but i *believe* it
was "Women use their intelligence to support their intuition" and i liked
it too...

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From: jim@fiveoh.ilo.dec.com (Jim Lawton)
Subject: Re: NX back in the UK
Reply-To: jim@ilo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:14:02 GMT



In article <1993Jan5.101337.23248@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:

>The second series of NX started on Channel 4 tv here in merrie englande last night.
>This one had Joel being kidnapped by Adam and his wife and Maggie meeting Rick's
>old girlfriend. It was good to have it back, its really weird but I like it :-)

It was actually episode 1 of the third series (3.1 in the Episode Guide).

>How far behind are we in the UK from USA, how many seasons have there been of NX?
>Last nights episode was made in 1991 (i think).

I think the US is halfway thru series 5 or thereabouts... (but I could be
wrong).

/jim
From: a0s5109@titan.ucs.umass.edu (John Norcott)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: 1/11:  Chris's homosexual fantasy???
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:48:34 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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   I never even considered Chris's lust towards Simon as necessarily
homosexual.  Chris was desiring someone who did not speak, allowing Chris
to guess Simon's personality; someone who had no discernable physical
features, therefore forcing Chris into imagining features <when Chris said 
"I bet you have long legs under those robes" I nearly peed my pants!!!>.

   I saw all of this as an unconscious longing on his part for the unknown,
a very Chris way of expanding his life.  I've always liked the way that
Chris, even with his babble, questions his existance, his purpose, and
tries to share his discoveries with his fellow citizens.

   <I actually was surprised to see Simon as a woman; I just imagined
that at the end Simon would reveal himself to be some old guy with a
beard, and all of Chris's longings would disappear when he no longer had
an unknown entity to lust after>

   I thought the monastary was pretty cool; sign me up!!!  I'll make
mead and eat well as long as they'll have me!!!
 

-- 
john k norcott                   "Th' self is a PRISON to which we're all
a0s5109@titan.ucc.umass.edu     condemned... and it's a LIFE SENTENCE, pal !"
Nothing beats Dirt like a Duck           Mr. Toad in Zippy   11/4/92
 
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Maggie is a hot babe
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In article <Me.1.725750782@usafa.af.mil> Me Bigger, Me@usafa.af.mil
writes:
>How many of you out there think that Maggie is a hot babe?

Hot babe?  Maggie/Janine?  Doesn't the term better fit Shelly/Cynthia?
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Date: 6 Jan 93 14:36:50 +1000
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In <1993Jan6.111210.35@iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au> SLAB3@DEVAX1 writes:

I still can't get this news thingy to work!
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From: kresse@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Tim Kresse)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: 1/11 episode - Music
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:01:09 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens

OK, we all new this was coming.  Anyone know what the piano music was
at the end of the "Revelations" episode?  

If someone could post it here or e-mail me, I would greatly appreciate
it.
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From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: 1/11 Episode "Revelations"
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:34:42 GMT

I thought this was a fabulous episode, except for the end of the Chris story.
It just seemed like too neat & tidy a way to wrap up Chris's dilemma. It would
have been nice to have had some ambiguity & confusion in the series for a few
episodes, but nope- everything has to be patched up before 11pm!  Oh, Simon
was a girl? Makes perfect sense. Good- everything's just the same as before 
(sarcasm).

I feel the same way about the conflict between Ruth-Ann & Maurice; they could
have stretched the animosity over a few episodes & really explored their
relationship. 

I thought Marilyn was hilarious in this episode. 
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From: revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver)
Subject: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: Dept. of MSE at Illinois-Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:06:51 GMT

Do the writers hate environmentalists and feminists?  I found last night's
episode to be insulting.  It did not come across to me as tongue in cheek
or ironic at all.  (What am I going to do with the Northern Exposure
teeshirt I got for Christmas?)

--Judy Tolliver
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From: 001201c@axe.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: SOUNDTRACK
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:39:04 GMT


 Happy New Year, I just picked up the soundtrack this Xmas and I'm curious, 
could anyone tell me when and where all the songs were featured in the 
series?

 And, yes, I know this is a tired old chestnut, but could anyone sent me the 
episode list? I lost it when my U. zipped everyone's files. Thankee.
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From: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy)
Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
Summary: reject TV brainwashing
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 16:23:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.193447.20086@hou.amoco.com> zmyd02@hou.amoco.com writes:

> Janine Turner has a gorgeous face and beautiful skin; I'm sure I'm not
> the only woman in America who's run to the bathroom to scrub her face
> and slap on some beauty product after seeing Janine up close and
> realizing that MY skin *used* to look that good, and I'm *younger*
> than she is!  The moral is, if I looked that beautiful and feminine,
> I'd wear my hair that short again (mine used to be virtually
> identical) in a minute.  You guys have no idea how good you've got it;
> I spend ten minutes in the shower shampooing and conditioning, then a
> total of twenty minutes blow drying and curling my below-shoulder
> hair.  That's half an hour spend trying to look like you guys *think*
> I should (I work in corporate America and must go with the flow) that
> guys spend snoring away in bed.

My advice to you is to is to blow off the elaborate hair treatments,
cosmetics, etc.  Just shower and get dressed.  If you are clean and
appropriately dressed, no one in your office can force you to try to
look like Janine Turner.  TV is geared to sell products; they want you
to think that radical intervention is necessary to achieve a "normal"
appearance.  You might find it helpful to just get rid of your TV
either permanantly or temporarily.  I didn't have a TV for about 3
years and the experience really opened my eyes.  I was amazed to see
the extent to which people around me were blindly parroting and living
out the attitudes they saw modeled in their TV shows.

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From: alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker)
Subject: Where was Marilyn?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:21:59 GMT

Marilyn was not present at the final burial scene in the 1/4 episode.
Anyone know why?  

My $.02 =

I liked the episode.  I think Maurice is mostly an arrogant, male-chauvanist
chump so I enjoyed seeing him undone.  However, I don't believe anyone 
learned anything from the conflict.  Not that Maggie had to justify her actions,but I would have enjoyed hearing more valid arguments for keeping the site
as is.

Chris' tirades annoy me most of the time, but he does have a few shining 
moments.  Most of which are short & sweet.  The way he talked to the kid
in the chapel & most especially his last quote.

BTW: I'm not very fond of Mike either, but I attribute that to the writers.
I suspect they popped him in there without thinking through what he's for, 
except as a possible diversion from the Maggie/Joel thing.  Unless he's used
wisely and soon, I recommend transporting him to a space station.


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Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Distribution: na
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The kid in the 1/4 episode appeared in early episodes of "Empty Nest"
as one of Dr. Weston's neurotic patients-the best episode was when
he asked the nurse, Laverne out on a date.  The show ends with him
making a pass at Carol after they have both been rejected by their love
interests.  The scene was priceless!

He also appeared as the neighbor friend in the Cloris Leachman/Brian
Keith comedy about the adult son who returns home with his son
to live with his parents (CL/BK).  (Can't remember the name right now.)
This show didn't last very long.

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From: rfw@silvan.hw.stratus.com (Bob Wambach)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: More on the January 4th show
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:00:29 GMT
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One  of  the  greatest  strengths  of  Northern  Exposure  is  the latitude
displayed in the behavior of the leads.  It's nice that the characters  are
not  completely predictable from week to week.  Doesn't this present a more
realistic depiction of people?

I was surprised that so many of you didn't like the Jan 4th show that much.
I  thought  it  was  very  entertaining and enjoyable.  Concerning Maggie's
actions, for instance, I could easily  imagine  her  character  (or  almost
anyone)  allowing  a dominant, aggressive person like Maurice to manipulate
her in a given circumstance.  She was avoiding am immediate  confrontation,
which  is  human  nature.  Once she reflected upon the events, she realized
she had been taken advantage of and she became angry.  This was a perfectly
natural response, and her subsequent behavior was  fueled  by  that  anger.
Who  acts  like their "normal" or expected self when they are really upset?
She wasn't being a role model, she was acting like a  human.

It's  a tough world for TV heroes, who get scrutinized very closely and are
held to sometimes rigid ideals.  Actually, it's  not  easy  for  real  life
heroes  (sports,  performing  arts,  politics)  to satisfy everyone all the
time.  Mutually exclusive fan expectations make that impossible...

There was some great discussion on some of the central themes of the show.
Here's what I liked best about the show:

1) The camera work in the Little Red Riding Hood scene was stunning.  The
final scene, filling the excavation site, was also beautifully filmed.

2)  I  don't  particularly  miss  the  general absence of kids in NX, but I
thought Brad helped to make this a cool episode.  Brad wasn't  conjured  up
out  of wild dreams, just check out the streets of NYC, Boston, LA, or many
other cities.  Brad was typical of thousands of kids trying to be what they
interpret as mature or grown up, often in  the  absence  of  involved  role
models.  It's  a  plus that NX presents all kinds of people - including the
Brads - in their shows.  "Don't feel ya have to come back, Brad, but thanks
for stopping by.  You made an interesting slice of life."

3) My favorite subtle scene:  The cut back to Chris and Brad in the chapel,
pitching  coins,  while  they talk.  The coffer box no longer has a lock on
it!  Presumably, they are playing with coins taken from the  box  Brad  had
been  trying  to  get  into.  Since  Chris seems to be the only minister in
town, it's probably his box anyway.  I wonder if he used the key? ;->

4)  My favorite one liner:  Holling to Brad, "Sometimes, love will pick you
up by the short hairs, Brad..." I'll bet many viewers did not "pick up"  on
that one!

later  (my first post, hope it works)

just my opinion....Bob
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From: kresse@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Tim Kresse)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Holling sings
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:20:08 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens

s someone mentioned they liked Holling's singing, thought I'd drop a note or 
two about it.  John McCullum (is that the right actor?) who plays Holling
also played the gentleman from South Carolina in _1776_ (the movie)
and has a great singing role with the "Slaves, Molasses and Guns" song.
Not quite sure of that's the right title of the song as I haven't seen
the movie or heard the song in a while, but it is a *great* baritone role.
Might want to check it out the next time it's on cable.
 
-Tim 
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: New voice on car commercial?
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In article <C0Gowr.12E@cmptrc.lonestar.org> Carter Bennett,
carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.122737.13618@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W.
Virden) writes:
>>Janine of course is doing the series now.  Last nite I caught the last
>>5 or 10 seconds of a new Isuzu commercial and it sure SOUNDED like Chris
>>in the morning...  Anyone know for certain?
>
>Good Call, Larry! (I think)
>
>I thought the same thing when I heard it.  So at least we know we're
close
>to hearing it, anyway.

Uh, he's been doing these commercials since the Isuzu Golf Open, which i
believe was before the Summer Olympics on NBC... anyway, that commercial
was aired once an hour during the Olympics with John Corbett (Chris)
doing the voice overs.
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From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
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In article <scs.726260266@wotan.iti.org>, scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes...
{pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren) writes:
{ 
{>Where are Adam and Eve?
{ 
{Last I heard Arkin was in a successful Broadway production, keeping him
{too busy to work on NE.

Arkin will be directing an upcoming show.
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From: mcbride@ll.mit.edu (Barbara McBride)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve
Originator: mcbride@ll.mit.edu (Barbara McBride)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:52:22 GMT


In article <C0I375.CpA@boi.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.192817.15763@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli) writes:
|> >In article <7JAN199312534369@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
|> >>Eve played Wayne's ex-girlfriend in Wayne's World? NOT!
|> >>Wayne's ex-girlfriend was played by the actress who was Donna in Twin Peaks.
|> >>I believe her name is Laura Flynn Boyle.
|> 
|> >I disagree...I think that Eve was Wayne's ex in Wayne's World.  Does
|> >anyone know for sure?
|> 
|> NOT!  I know for sure, but i can't supply proof.  As an avid Twin Peaks fan
|> i would recognize that actor any day of the week.  Wayne's ex was played by
|> Laura Flynn Boyle.
|> 

	According to the actress list (from ftp.coe.montana.edu)
	Laura Flynn Boyle was in Wayne's World.

		Babs
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