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From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: are EISA & local bus mutually exclusive?
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 12:35:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Oct1.133232.12115@microware.com> adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg) writes:
>chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>>In article <91131@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>>>
>>>  I would be interested to hear from people why they want EISA 
>>> *AND* Local Bus? Besides the point that the thing is cool.
>>>
>>> Practically speaking, if HD and video are on the LB (well, I 
>>> know about eithernet) why would you put a printer in the EISA?
>>> ISA too slow for it? 
>>> 
>>	Interesting, I don't know why people would want EISA and
>>Local Bus in the same box.  That seems a little redundent (not to
>>metion the cost).  Local Bus, I think will be able to transfer data
>>at a much higher rate then EISA.  I thought.  Hmm....  Go figure!
>
>>Chung Yang
>
>>> The only other thing I can imagine (besides LANs) is the data
>>> aquisition. 
>>>
>>>  So, WHY??
>
>Why?  Well, the Local Bus Spec (VL-bus) limits you to only 3 local-bus
>slots.  You need a few more (generally, and preferably).  Your choice
>is then ISA, EISA and Microchannel.  I'd choose EISA for any fast machine
>with a likely need for a 4th card with high data-transfer capability.
>Say you had 3 VL-bus slots, Video, HD Controller and Network. Then say
>you wanted to add a 32-port serial card.  Hmmm.  EISA would be nice, eh?
>
>
	The only reason the VL-BUS was made so that high quality video 
capability can be added.  Imagine trying to use a 20" monitor with 
super hight resolution (Full montion video... etc.)  with a ISA bus
or even with an EISA bus or even MCA.  Though possible, it is limited
in many ways.  A VL-BUS would provide people who would like to have 
that capability.  

	BTW, the VL-BUS will by no means replace ISA buses.   The
VESA commity only designed the VL-BUS so one can get away from the
ISA bottleneck for high video capability.  A standard VL-BUS 
machine will have 3 VL-BUSES and 5 ISA busses.  or something like that.
So a VL-BUS only increase one's access to an advanced technology.
UNLIKE EISA and MCA, where one's choice of either busses means the 
abandonment of the 16 bit ISA busses.  (I am not sure about the
EISA compatibility with ISA, so don't rag on me if I am wrong.)
(I am sure about the MCA though).  So for those who would like to 
have a better machine without having to throw xugh away their old cards
VL-BUS, I think is the best choice.

	BTW, not everything needs a 32-bit bus.  Three busses of this
kind is enough for your average user.

-C H Yang
:wq


>
>
>-- 
>Adam G.
>adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
>The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
>statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.
From: gt6698a@prism.gatech.EDU (Andrew Hobson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Local Bus VESA questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:26:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


A friend of my is buying a computer from HD computers.  He is getting a 
486/33 Local Bus w/ET-4000 VGA and 32-bit IDE hard drive controller - 
both local bus.  The local bus is non-VESA compliant.  Does software 
ever see a difference? He'll never buy another local bus card,
probably, so he is not worried about local bus standards for later expansion.
 
Should he be worried about the fact that it is not VESA complient?  Will
that affect anything that he can buy or run, at least in the next 4 or 5
years? 

This is a pretty specific question, so email is preferred. I don't have
time to read this group that often, but I will try.  Thank you for 
any input?

Andrew Hobson


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From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 5.25" drive won't see disk changes...NEED help!
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:14:45 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

In article <1992Sep27.063632.223417@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>My 5.25" disk won't recognize disk changes! Even if I take the disk out and
>leave the door open, it still will show me the disk's directory! I can get it
>to realize that their's a new disk by running Norton Disk Doctor on A:. Is
>their a faster way? A program perhaps? What's wrong anyway? I've checked the
>wires and they are just fine! One for the scrap? :( Thanks!

If everyting else fails, check if you have the Azusa virus on your hard disk -
one of its symptoms is that the machine fails to recognize disk changes.

-frisk
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From: raty@tele.nokia.fi (Timo Tero Tapio Raty)
Subject: How to fix a "broken" SCSI disc ?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications Ltd.
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:25:55 GMT


	Since I'm not an expert with these things I would like someone
to explain what has happened to me and my pc...

	I have an Adaptec 1542A controller, and I should be able to
connect to SCSI disc to it, shouldn't I ? Well, I succeeded in doing
that - excatly once. I had the original disc (which came with the PC)
as "TARGET 0 LUN 0" and the second one as "TARGET 0 LUN 1" (or what
ever the next message is) and they both worked fine. Next
configuration I was such that I only had the new disc and used it as
"TARGET 0 LUN 0" because I wanted always boot from it - and it worked
fine! Having installed everything I needed I changed the address of
the first (original) disc so that I could use them both, but still
boot from the newer disc... And now it seems that this damn PC has
wrecked both discs! Neither of them starts to rotate its discs - the
motor doesn't seem to work! How is this possible and what might have
happened? Needless to say that I always powered off before
(dis)connecting anything. The PC seems to provide +12 and +5 volts as
always and these disc motors don't work in other machines either.

	Now it seems that the PC (or I) have some way managed to break
those motors and since these discs cost far too much to just go and
buy new ones I would like to have some kind of explanation what has
happened and if the damage can be fixed for lesser money than the cost
of completely new discs $1000-$3000 (in Finland).

	Those of you who understand and can explain this, please mail
to me before I start to write to the insurance company...

	What I have understood so far is that this shouldn't have
happened and it isn't my fault - but my "hardware-guru" gave his
advice via phone - and he had no idea how all this could happen.

	PLEASE help !!!

	yours,

	timo
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From: kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet)
Subject: Re: Insight
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:11:40 GMT

In <1aq143INNicq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:


>I've read a lot lately about Gateway and ZEOS on this group.  Now, I'm
>curious about some of the other less-well-nown companies and people's
>expiences.  Insight seems to be one of the less expensive alternatives to
>the Big Boys, has anyone purchased from Insight, and if so, what has been
>your experience with product quality, customer service?  How well put together
>are their systems?  

>How, for instance, can they afford to sell their DX2/66 for only $2399?

>Mike
>-- 


I have an Insight 486-50 EISA and have been very satisfied.  It's all quality
components and I haven't run into any problems.  from what I've heard about
Gateway, the same can't always necessarily be said...

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From: chans@cs.curtin.edu.au (Sean Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Are AM 386DX 40's faster than Intel 386DS 40's ?
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:16:02 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

tkhut@ap.cl.msu.edu (Scott Karre) writes:


>    I was reading an article in the Sept. computer shopper about Advanced MIcrodevices processors, and in the article AM stated that their 386DX 40 processor was actually faster than a 486SX processor.  This impressed me, and I lookied into it further, and found out from a somewhat questionable sourse that AM processors are faster than Intel processors in the 386DX 40 class.  Is this true or just more rumormill bs?  If it is true, does anyone know how much better Am processors are than Intel ones?

I didn't realize that Intel came up with a 386DX-40.

However, I did read an article from Australian Personal Computer (August'92,
"Balanced decisions: making the right PC choice") which stated that the
"AMD 386DX-40 performs 20% better than the 486SX-20, and a fully cached
386DX-33 performs just as well or or just slightly below."

Sean
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From: sds@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dong Sung Shin)
Subject: What is  'LOCKED SECTORS'?
Summary: What is  'LOCKED SECTORS'?
Keywords: What is  'LOCKED SECTORS'?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:04:30 GMT


     Hi, I have recently encountered a difficult problem dealing with
my old XT hard drive (Seagate ST-225).  After cleaning up the NoINT
virus in the drive, I tried to write and modify the Boot sector, FAT
table, and the Root Directory.  Failing that attempt, I tried to write
files into the drive from the floppy, but that was also effortless.
Without responding my command with error messages, the drive spins and
stops, writing nothing on any sectors.
     So, I tried to low-level format with DiskMaster.  The response
after formatting is 'the formatting failed because of "locked
sectors".'  Locked Sectors????
     
     Does anyone out there know what 'Locked Sectors' mean?  If you
do, how can I 'Unlock' those sectors that are locked?  It seems to me
that all the sectors in my hard-drive are locked.

     The drive can read, but cannot write . . . .

     I will be REALLY appreciated if anyone can help me out.  :)

     Thank you in advance.


     SDS - The Strict Legalists!
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From: v131pt62@buffalo.edu (Sleepy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Need help on deciding a 486 or P5.
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:15:00 GMT
Organization: ME
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi!
I am planning to get a system by the upcoming summer.  Should I wait for the
P5 to drop its price or should I just go ahead and buy a 486DX2.   

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From: gsgathin@SACAM.OREN.ORTN.EDU (golando s gathings)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: *** please tell what these simms are
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:00:12 GMT



	I have some simms, but I dont know whether they are 
1Mx9 .. etc .  They are the nine chips to a simm, each chip numbered
as follows:  

	TI
	TMS4C1024DJ

Any help would be welcome..

Golando
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Insight followup
Date: 6 Oct 1992 00:20:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I just gave them a call.  I was a bit discouraged when I asked who
manufactures their components.  The rep said the system board was made by
'ATEN' and uses AMI BIOS.  Their graphics card is made by 'STB' (?), and
their monitor byy 'TVM'.  These last two really worry me, especally when 
the rep said he didn't know whether the card was good for OS/2 2.0.  I
guess the only way to find out is to just order one and see? ;)

Mike
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From: aadvlees@is1.vub.ac.be (De Vleeschauwer Aldo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: PC with 2 IDE controlled harddisks.
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:11:41 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Brussels Free University (VUB/ULB)

I recently posted a request for more information concerning the configuration
of a PC with 2 harddisks.

Thanks to all the people that replied, for their advise on using the Master/Slave
configuration.
The problem now is : we don't have the documentation on how to set the jumpers.
Maybe somebody out there has similar harddisks and can give us some more info.

The disks are :
    - Western Digital Piranha 4200 (200 Mb).
    - Quantum Q425 AT (400 Mb).

Any help is highly appreciated.
Please reply to : aadvlees@info.vub.ac.be

---
Aldo De Vleeschauwer

Brussels Free University
INFO Department
Pleinlaan 2
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ka-pui@cae.wisc.edu (Ka-pui Ko)
Subject: modem problem with TravelMate 2000 from Texas Inst.
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:10:37 CDT

Dear All,
        A friend of mine just bought a notebook computer -
TravelMate 2000 from Texas Inst., and he was told that the
computer has an internal modem.  But, he can't activate it,
a communication program he used detected that the modem is
disable.
	Anyone knows how to enable the modem again?

Thanks

kevin


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jws@iastate.edu (James William Shoemaker)
Subject: Re: BERNOULLI BERNOULLI
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:04:48 GMT

	I have used both, and in my experience the bernuli is the better
choice.  here are my reasons:

	A bernuli is much more reliable (syquest drives are fragile, and 
a bad drive can eat carts, and bad carts can kill drives)

	A bernuli is more robust.  Bumping the table next to a syquest can
cause it to crash, but you can drop a running bernuli without damage.

	Driver support for DOS and bernuli's is free (downloadable) while
you must pay for syquest drivers (last time I checked)


	There are several reasons to consider the syquest though:

	It is the standard (most people who accept data on RCD's use
syquest)

	It is slightly cheaper.


	That are my reasons and only opinions.

						JWS
From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: what about MAG? (was Re: 15" Monitor quality is bad across the board)
Summary: did you test the whole board?
Keywords: monitor, quality, MAG, 15, flat screens
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:20:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
>As a computer dealer I have noticed that the quality on 14" monitors has
>stabalized to be GOOD.  I've had no DOA's, and very few with less than a
>perfect picture.

Have other people noticed this, too?  I know some people have been posting
NEC gripes recently, but I didn't know others had problems, too.  Has
anybody heard anything bad about the MAG 15?  (Send me email or post, and
I'll summarize this together with the CrystalScan story which I'm still
working on.)

>BUT, with the 15"ers that's a totally different story.  I have gone 
>through seven in the last two weeks and all have had some problem:
>
>5 AOC 536's have severe pin-cushion distortion - Can't adjust out to 
>get decent square picture.

I didn't know that AOC had a 15" monitor until you posted this, and
it looks like I wasn't missing much. :-)  Anyway, is this the one I
managed to find advertised on p. 937 of the October Computer Shopper?
(A no-name 15" monitor advertised somewhere near the AOC logo, but
with a picture of a ViewSonic V7 nearby, heh.)

>Hitachi 1585MU distorted picture

I didn't know this existed; is it a new product?

>Viewsonic 16FS DOA.

Ouch.  Does anybody have one of these?

Meanwhile, I noticed that you didn't say anything about the MAG 15,
but have you or anybody else ever had problems with these?  I am
*very* interested in getting one with the system I plan to buy
shortly, but only if it will be grief-free.

Thanks,

jking
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: Intel Microcode.
Organization: Industrial Cybernetics
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 05:24:16 GMT

>johnson@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Don Johnson) writes:
> 
>Actually, AMD486 was done several month ago. It's just that because
>they're not permitted to use Intel's microcode they have to do more testing
>on the chip before they can claim 100% compatibility.
> 
> W. Donald Johnson

Something doesn't follow here. I got a look at the court decision betwen
AMD and Intel when the 386 rights were in dispute. Intel and AMD
entered into a ten-year licensing agreement to share IC designs.

This must necessarily include microcode since that is part of the
IC design, right?

How did Intel prevent AMD from using microcode?

Ice()		ice@skynet.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: tchal@tmchome.UUCP (Thomas M. Chalfant)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Advice needed on Tri-Star 486 DX 50 hz.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:14:02 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: My house

lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade) writes:

> I notice in a recent PC mag that one of the best deals on 486/50 is
> the Tri-Star system(s).  I have not seen them mentioned in this group
> (mostly Gateway and Zeos hog the spotlight).  Has anyone had any
> experience they can relate?
> 

I have a friend who purchased a PC from Tri-Star a few years ago.  At
that time their customer service and support were terrible.  For instance,
a problem was encountered as soon as the system arrived.  Hours were spent
on hold just to talk to a service rep.  After one was reached they started
on a one-piece-at-a-time swap (they send overnight for free, we pay to ship
the old part back) and nothing worked.  Finally they said the motherboard
must be on the blitz.  They send a motherboard minus a cpu and memory and
said swap from the old mb to the new mb.  So one cpu and 36 DRAMs later
we finally have a working system.  All in all, over two weeks was spent just
to get the initial system operating.  Not to mention the expense in sending
back parts that were probably alright to begin with!

Personally, I own a Northgate and have nothing but good things to say about
them.  Tri-Star may have improved over the last year -- maybe they deserve
another chance!  But if it were my money... You get the picture.

Later,
Tom
From: az@i5120h.nrl.navy.mil (Andy Zwirko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: WD Caviaer 200mb HD jumpers
Keywords: Western Digital Harddisk jumpers
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:24:16 GMT
Organization: NRL

Good Day,

  Can anyone tell me the jumper settings of the WD IDE 200mb Caviaer drive.
These are on the back of the drive and are labelled as follows:

: : :
C S M
P L A

I figure SL=Slave, MA=Master, but can anyone tell me what, when and if the CP
jumper is ever used?

thanx

andy - ka1gd		zwirko@wave.nrl.navy.mil


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: ZEOS success/failure stories wanted...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Oct 1992 14:41 EST  

In article <15591@borg.cs.unc.edu>, frederic@cs.unc.edu (Robin Fredericksen) 
writes...

>Well, I might cut them some slack if ZEOS is being a good company and 
>practicing Just In Time (JIT) delivery of materials.  JIT is a method by 
>which you save money through keeping your warehouse size down, normally by 
>contracting with someone to deliver specified (according to demand) 
>quantities of material on short notice.  If the clock time on this is one 
>day, then you can respond to fast fluctuations in the market.  If the clock 
>time is 1 week, then that may not work if there is a big fluctuation
>in demand.  Ken, does ZEOS practice JIT?

>Oh, the catch in JIT is that your supplier can cause you to be "out of stock" 
>because they missed a shipment, or just do not have the capacity to make 
>enough widjets.  In the case of JIT "lead time on shipping" and "having it in
>stock" can be pretty much the same thing.  It depends on the resolution of 
>the delivery clock.

>By the way, JIT is intended to reduce overhead, and thereby prices to the 
>customer (or margin, depending on your point of view).

Did someone just finish an Inventory class in Industrial Engineering?  Let 
us know when you cover "Customer Satisfaction" or TQM.  

There are many additional catches in JIT than those mentioned and use of 
JIT in and of itself does not make a company a "good company", particularly 
if the demand for the product is not fairly constant and the supplier 
selection process is flawed.

Whether or not JIT is employed at Zeos is a moot point.  The original 
issue was whether customer expectations for delivery was being met.  And 
JIT is never a good excuse for anything...

We return you now to the regularly scheduled program...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: Re: Intel 486 price changes (Re: THE WAR IS OVER)
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 12:59:57 GMT

In article <BvGzyC.D32@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
>In article <CARL.92Sep30193308@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>>Just FYI, I have not seen even *ONE* hardware failure on the 50 mhz
>>systems that I have sold.
>
>Well, I've seen problems on a 486DX/50.  The system had lots of
>flaky-type problems, like really slow memory performance, problems
>with disk controllers, etc.
>
>Of course, it turned out that the motherboard was serial number 1.
>Later motherboards from the same manufacturer did not have these
>problems.  Sorta makes you wonder, though -- don't most companies do
>internal testing on, say, the first 50 boards off the line?
>
>-- 
The VL-Bus will support 64-bit cards in the future. The potential to have
some of the features surface mounted on the motherboard is greater than
the potential of EISA. You can go up to 66 Mhz if the VL-Bus device
is on the motherboard on the VL-Bus.

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