From: kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Organization: Finnish University and ResearcH Network, FUNET
	<KK.93Jan11155100@nic.funet.fi> <C0pHz0.yF.1@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:35:35

  First of all, I am open to discussion. I'm not in the emotional trap with
my beliefs, and this is why I posted in first place - to find out how others
think and if I have come close to the any ideas of various branches of sata-
nism.
 
> Do you believe in God?
 
  Actually I don't believe in God. In my view, I found that there are powerful
archangels in heaven, who threw out Satan and others from "heaven". This is
already proved by that given if God is perfect, how come he made a human that
isn't perfect. To be perfect - that can never be achieved. However, man can
come close to the conception of perfect, at least in spiritual life. I don't
know about others but I have found out that I am walking the right path.
 
> How was it your 'darker' side?  Merely because it wasn't Christian?
 
  I call it darker because that was the part I didn't know much then. I
couldn't understand that side and didn't know it -> dark side. This doesn't
mean it is "evil".
 
> the 'lord of lies,' could Beelzebub not be merely one who strips away the
> illusions which you have been using to protect yourself from the Truth,
> and who knows the ins-and-outs of the little games humans play, but often
> do not know, to make sure that they are comfortable in their lies?
 
  Well, that makes sense. About my beliefs and how I have come to them, I have
read some writings, made my own conclusions and come to the some things I found
to represent "truth".
 
> As to Satan, you realize that gold is purified by fire, of course, and
> strength is learned through resistance to suffering.  "What does not
> kill me makes me stronger," the philosopher said.  And this is true.
 
  Seems like we have similar thoughts about this subject. It is impossible to
jump directly to some point where it is possible for one to reach the light
of Lucifer.
 
> And you see that the confusion and depression, while not good things in and
> of themselves, were tools you used to bring yourself to the point you are
> at today.  What of Leviathan?  Where does he fit in your life?
 
  Leviathan is the power that represents me the complete understanding about
things in life, how they happen and so on. While Lucifer can bring light on
subjects Leviathan is the end of the path. What lies after that, I don't know.
From the few texts I have read about TOS it might be best to say that to be
under influence of Leviathan is to Xeper... sort of.
 
> And establish himself as an entity separate from either the light or the
> darkness, with the ability to use both but restricted to neither.
 
  Right.
 
> I believe it is similar.  I might suggest that your words seem to imply
> that you see Satan more as a substitute for God, someone who can do things
> for you rather than allowing you to do things for yourself.  Am I reading
> you right?  Do you see a problem with this?
 
  Actually I *SAW* Satan as a substitute for God, but that was long time ago.
Satan has had certain meaning in my life. These powers influence me but don't
control me. I have complete freedom over myself nowadays, not like I had few
years ago.
 
  About you: could you tell more about your views of satanism and especially
Setianism? I have read their files but to talk with a person who is setian
is different than read text files...
 
  I
  I  - Dominus
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  I
 
PS: I use the inverted cross as a signature because I found it represent
    anti-christ. Well, I don't think I am an antichrist, but to symbolize
    it I use it. This is for those who found my signature irritating. Ideas
    are welcome for a new sig if someone finds this extremely stupid or
    something similar.
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