From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Why Clinton
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:38:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
> In article <XFFZTB6w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >Leonard.Kinerson@p0.f110.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Leonard Kinerson) writes:
> >> Are There any people out there that voted For Clinton
> >> If So WHY!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >At a guess, it beats voting for a mealy-mouthed fascist hypocrite who claims
> >atheists can't be US citizens,
> 	didn't say this

Your denial is singularly unimpressive, as I happen to have the entire quote
and a set of references to hand.

From the alt.atheism FAQ file:

# The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I.
# Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman
# is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of
# the press corps.  The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce
# federal disaster relief for Illinois.  The discussion turned to the
# presidential primary:
# 
#  RS: "What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"
# 
#  GB: "I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community.  Faith in
#       God is important to me."
# 
#  RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
#       Americans who are atheists?"
# 
#  GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
#       nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under
#       God."
# 
#  RS: "Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation
#       of state and church?"
# 
#  GB: "Yes, I support the separation of church and state.  I'm just not
#       very high on atheists."
# 
# UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were
# still angry over the remarks.
# 
# The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27,
# 1989.  It can also be found in "Free Enquiry" magazine, Fall 1988 issue,
# Volume 8, Number 4, page 16.
# 
# On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane,
# cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign.  This concerned a
# lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School
# District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to
# pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as "one nation under God"
# (Bush's phrase).  The following conversation took place:
#  
#  RS: "American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday.
#       Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"
#  
#  EM: "It's bullshit."
#  
#  RS: "What is bullshit?"
#  
#  EM: "Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."
#  
#  RS: "Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush
#       campaign is on this issue."
# 
#  EM: "You're welcome."
# 
# After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract
# his statement.  On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the
# President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by
# his original statement, and wrote:
# 
#   "As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports
#    atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or
#    supported by the government."
# 
# For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American
# Atheist Press's Cameron Road address.

Feeling like a moron?  Since this posting is already far too long, I'll
refrain from commenting on your other stupid knee-jerk denials.

> 	Get your facts straight before you mouth off.

Take your own advice, loser.


mathew
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