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From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Poisoning in Christchurch! What gives?
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:10:33 GMT

In article 36L9wB2w165w@actrix.co.at, paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>
>According to today's Guardian (11 January 1993):
>
>"An internationally acclaimed expert on plant reproduction, Professor
>David Lloyd of Christchurch, New Zealand, has been in a coma for three
>weeks after he was deliberately poisoned, according to press reports."
>
>So what gives?  Has someone been reading too much Ngaio Marsh?  Just the
>facts, please!  (Although wild speculation could be fun too!)
>

Noone is sure what has caused the coma - simply that poisoning has not been
ruled out.

Curiously, the police are staying very tight-lipped about this, and are 
refusing even to say how many detectives are on the case.  Also, neither
the University (he worked at the University of Canterbury) and the hospital
where he is will make any statement whatsoever.

Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Doug Rinckes, Network Administrator | drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
  Telecommunications Systems Support Centre New Zealand Ltd
        Sitting in New Zealand, mailing thru Japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:58:14 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Marco  Bertamini (mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>In article <Geoff.6r5d@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff
Mccaughan) writes:
>>Alan gibson (alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
>>
>>>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
>>
>>I agree. The best way would be to get the national party to embrace
>>socialist principles. We could call it 'national socialism'.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Brrr... You know what is the history of that name, don't you.
>It's better not to forget. We don't want the European drama to
>repeat itself down under.

[definition of naziism deleted].

Ah, yes I am well aware of all this.

"If sarcasm was posted to the Net, would anyone notice?"

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:05:51 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <Geoff.6tqa@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>
>[definition of naziism deleted].
>
>Ah, yes I am well aware of all this.
>
>"If sarcasm was posted to the Net, would anyone notice?"

That should be "If sarcasm was posted to the net from a forest and nobody was 
watching would it still be existentialism"

Derek "Some of us understood" Tearne


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: wright@med.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wright  Phone +64 04 801 3735)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:26:17 GMT
Reply-To: wright@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <4TywwB1w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz>, Alan gibson <alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
>It's all very well to talk about a society where there were no guns or 
>guns weren't used to hurt anyone else. Most people are going to agree 
>that's a good idea - the point is not just to talk about it but to do 
>something to make that utopia a reality. 
>
>Why do people shoot each other?
>
>It's not because guns exist, as has been pointed out even if guns didn't 
>exist people would still fuck each other over and kill each other. 
>
>The reason for the violence in our society is the violent nature of 
>capitalism which is based on competition between individuals at the 
>expense of other individuals. We are taught that dog-eat-dog is the only 
>way or at least the best way that humans can survive.
>
>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
>


UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
UTTER CRAP!!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: RE: GUNS ETC
From: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Distribution: world
Organization: OUT OF SIGHT BBS, Auckland, New Zealand, 64-9-298-3805

Alan gibson <alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes
 AG> The reason for the violence in our society is the violent 
 AG> nature of capitalism which is based on competition between 
 AG> individuals at the expense of other individuals. We are taught 
 AG> that dog-eat-dog is the only way or at least the best way that 
 AG> humans can survive. 

 AG> We need to build a society based on a different basis - 
 AG> socialism. 

I'd be interested in your definition of socialism.  Are we talking about 
the kind of socialism espoused by Michael Joseph Savage, or "socialism" 
as represented by the failed Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Either way, doesn't socialism kill off the work ethic?  What's the point 
in spending extra hours at work when you know that a large amount of your 
overtime is going to go to support people who are not working as hard as 
you are.

The phrase which is trotted out frequently by socialists is "from each 
according to ability to each according to need".  The trouble is, how do 
you assess ability?  How do you know if someone is just bludging off 
those who are foolish enough to try and contribute to the overall good 
of the country?

Jonathan

... A smile is the shortest distance between to people.
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From: rwolken@rtormw.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Cook Strait Ferry.
Reply-To: rwolken@rtormw.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: DisOrganisation is more Appropriate.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:40:58 GMT



Is it possible to get a ferry berth for a car/van in early march,
going south to north, without making a booking, and just going
into the waiting line.

A friend of mine is planning to take a ferry from South to North
in early March '93, and has heard from somewhere that because 
one ferry is being taken out for renovation she could expect a really
long wait if she doesn't book. 

I'd done this over the New Year period a few years back and only 
had to wait about 4 hours.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:27:35 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Alan gibson (alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:

>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.

I agree. The best way would be to get the national party to embrace
socialist principles. We could call it 'national socialism'.

But would we notice any difference?

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From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Poisoning in Christchurch! What gives?
Keywords: poison lloyd botanist
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:06:49 ECT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria


According to today's Guardian (11 January 1993):

"An internationally acclaimed expert on plant reproduction, Professor
David Lloyd of Christchurch, New Zealand, has been in a coma for three
weeks after he was deliberately poisoned, according to press reports."

So what gives?  Has someone been reading too much Ngaio Marsh?  Just the
facts, please!  (Although wild speculation could be fun too!)

--
paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Home Office in Vienna, Austria
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: guns etc
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:27:57 GMT

In article <Geoff.6r5d@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>Alan gibson (alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
>
>>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
>
>I agree. The best way would be to get the national party to embrace
>socialist principles. We could call it 'national socialism'.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Brrr... You know what is the history of that name, don't you.
It's better not to forget. We don't want the European drama to
repeat itself down under.

>Geoff


Marco d'Arco

P.S. to be explicit:

Na-zism \'na^:t-,siz-em, 'nat-\
 or Na-zi-ism \-se^--,iz-em\ n
(1934)
:the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect
     by the National Socialist German Workers' party in the Third German
     Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state
     control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be
     racially superior, and supremacy of the f:uhrer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:47:43 GMT
Organization: School of Maths & Info. Sci., Massey University, Palmerston North, NZ

In article <1ifbopINNg9r@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wright@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
>
>UTTER CRAP!!

It's a pleasure to see such a well reasoned discusion. Could I suggest
that there may be better arguments against socialism though.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:16:11 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:

> Alan gibson (alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
> 
> >We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
> 
> I agree. The best way would be to get the national party to embrace
> socialist principles. We could call it 'national socialism'.
> 
> But would we notice any difference?

That has to be the most elegant way of getting Nazis into a Usenet discussion
I've seen yet.

							- k
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Wet Holidays.
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:25:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

obrien@laima.aa.washington.edu (Scott O'Brien) wrote:

> Well at least it isn't snowing like it is here.

It snowed on my "summer holiday" here in NZ as well.  I was staying at the
Top o' the Bruce on Mt Ruapehu.  It snowed on New Year's Eve, so we had the
obligatory snowfight and went for a walk to do some tobogganing (the
skifield was closed due to whiteout conditions).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: guns etc
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:34:51 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <Geoff.6r5d@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>Alan gibson (alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz) wrote:
>
>>We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
>
>I agree. The best way would be to get the national party to embrace
>socialist principles. We could call it 'national socialism'.

Hang on a minute.  Didn't we already have the Labour part embracing rampant
capitalism with Rogernomics!

>But would we notice any difference?

Well the populace didn't like that combination, would they like the other.
The answer is no.  That is why the NZ population overwhelmingly voted in
favour of changing the parliamentary system.  Not surprisingly we didn't 
vote in favour of a socialist (or even a fascist) dictatorship.

Shouldn't this be talk.politics - a newsgroup we are forunate enough not
to receive at this site.



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:3395 soc.culture.usa:9550
From: wsbusup2@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Who are Wilson, De Filippis, Lombardini and Galica
Keywords: Puzzle
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusup2@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: soc.culture.new-zealand

I am working on a puzzle for which I need to finish a sequence of
names. The names De Filippis, Lombardini, Galica and Wilson are given
and i need a fifth name to finish the sequence. If you know the third
name please let me know via e-mail.

Thanks in advance, Kees van Tol.
From: Alan gibson <alan@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: guns etc
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:09:14 +1300
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

It's all very well to talk about a society where there were no guns or 
guns weren't used to hurt anyone else. Most people are going to agree 
that's a good idea - the point is not just to talk about it but to do 
something to make that utopia a reality. 

Why do people shoot each other?

It's not because guns exist, as has been pointed out even if guns didn't 
exist people would still fuck each other over and kill each other. 

The reason for the violence in our society is the violent nature of 
capitalism which is based on competition between individuals at the 
expense of other individuals. We are taught that dog-eat-dog is the only 
way or at least the best way that humans can survive.

We need to build a society based on a different basis - socialism.
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Laws
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:05:58 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <12JAN199311182634@trentu.ca>, spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) writes:
$ 
$ >To Stefan: What do you mean Singapore Laws? As in Penal Code?
$ 
$ Yup.  I'm interested in Singapore's Penal Code.
$ Singapore has some stange laws and some very strange forms of
$ punishment.  Does anybody know any of them?
$ 

  There is a "LAWnet" in Singaore but it is not part of TECHnet which
connects Singapore to the Internet.  Since SIF has put up a lot
of great information on the Internet Gopher server on solomon.technet.sg,
they might want to consider adding some useful information about
Singapore legal system.  The SIF might be able to get some help from
the people behind LAWnet.

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: First!
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:14:49 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <C0qt0C.50s@newsserver.technet.sg> ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD) writes:
>Yeah!  First!  Memememememememememememememe!  All mine!  Downdowndown
>gogogo MineMineMine!!!
>
>From a Daffy Duck fan
>
>(You mean this isn't rec.arts.warner.bros?)
>

Yeah, Here we go.

For the Chinese in Singapore, Happy Lunar New Year. Year of the Rooster.

I like to know more about Singapore. 
How is the job market in Singapore?
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From: hougen@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Darrell Roy Hougen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Laws
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:03:26 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: focus.csl.uiuc.edu

spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) writes:

% Singapore has some stange laws and some very strange forms of
% punishment.  Does anybody know any of them?

Well ..., gum chewing is not allowed and there is a $50 fine for
spitting gum on the sidewalk.  It is also illegal to bring gum into
the country.  This law is intended to keep Singapore clean.  I was
there recently and I can tell you that it is a very clean country.  It
is also very beautiful.

Also, possession of a moderate to large amount of any of several
illegal drugs can get you the death penalty.  The amount depends upon
the drug.  The intent of this law is obvious.  Given the severe
penalties and the cleanliness and prosperity of the country, I was
surprised to find large posters in the (very clean) subway stations
asking people not to use drugs.

This is not really punitive, but one must pay a large sum of money to
obtain a permit to buy and drive a car.  In addition, one must pay an
additional large fee to obtain permission to drive in the downtown
area.  This law is intended to cut down on traffic congestion.  There
were still a lot of cars, but not so many as to cause much congestion.

By the way, congratulations to Singapore on its election.  This is the
first I had heard about it.  Does anyone have more details?

Darrell R. Hougen
From: dave_gampell@hpoclpz.sj.hp.com (David Gampell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Singapore?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:46:09 GMT
Organization: the crux of a decision
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dave_gampell@sj.hp.com
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Denis Howe (dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk) wrote:
: My wife and I went to Singapore for a holiday recently and liked it
: enough to consider going to live and work there for a while.  I asked
: several natives what the disadvantages of living in Singapore were but
: the worst anyone could come up with was not being allowed to chew gum
: in the street!

: So, I'll ask you, what's wrong with Singapore?

My biggest problem with Singapore is its lack of an equivalent to the 1st
Amendment in the US as it pertains to freedom of speech.  You will find after
reading the Straits Times for a while that the news seems somehow colorless.
This is because it is largely "approved" by the government.  I don't mean that
there is a government body that approves the content of the Straits Times
every day, but the editors of the newspaper know what will and won't be
acceptable to the government and they toe the line very well.

Singapore's Internal Security Act does not protect people who speak out against
public figures (esp. government ministers) from slander charges.  There are
several examples where Lee Kuan Yew (ex-prime minister of Singapore and now
the "power behind the government") won damages against those who spoke out
against him publicly, including once---I believe---an MP.  This kind of thing
tends to limit "responsible opposition" to the ruling party.  When I was there
last (in February 92), the opposition had maybe 5 or 6 seats in Parliament out
of about 98 total.

This having been said, I like the Singapore culture, attitude and food a great
deal.  It's a wonderful place to visit, even to stay for several weeks, as I
have done in the past.  I just don't know if I could live there for a long time
and reconcile the lack of certain basic freedoms we take for granted here in
the US.

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From: ratty@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anil K. Ratty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: This is great
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:52:42 GMT
Organization: UB


I am a novice following certain newsgroups.  Being a Singaporean, I am proud 
and happy to be able to read about Singapore.  I have been away from Singapore
for the past six years...so I have alot to catch up on.

Being away has enabled me to see the good and the bad in Singapore...relative
to the situation and issues around the world. To be fair there's a lot to be 
thankful about and a fair amount of room for improvement in Singapore.

Many talk about the freedom of speech and democracy and being alien to Singapore.  Are the current models of democracy or freedom of speech utopic enough to
be held as a yardstick?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: bwalls@eng.auburn.edu (Bryan K. Walls)
Subject: looking for Judith Chan
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:20:32 GMT

Okay, this kind of request doesn't make the moste interesting reading in the 
world, but I can't think of a better group for it, and traffic is low.

I went to school at Tennessee Tech University with a lady from Singapore
named Judith Chan, or Chan Li Kuin, I believe (don't vouch for spelling
on the second version, not that it matters so much...). She graduated with
an Electical Engineering degree, and went on to Clemson to work on a Ph.D.,
I heard. At TTU, her plans were to return to Singapore and enter government.
I've lost track. Anyone know where she may be?

Thanks
Bryan Walls
bwalls@marvin.msfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: Soul of a city
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:35:32 GMT

Osbert Tan (fellow@natinst.com) wrote:
: A city state, Singapore is prosperous, developed, advanced, clean, relatively 
: free of the decadents troubling some of the other developed nations. It's
: people enjoying high living standards (highest outside Tokoy in Asia), 
: democracies and freedoms. It's almost too good to be true. So is there not 
: any room for improvements ? Of course NOT.

: Being away for 5+ years or so, makes me see clearer why I was not happy with
: some of the things that were happening in Singapore. On the other hand, I can 
: not claim I have full grasp of the problems Singapore may face now. If I must
: pin point one element and make unsubstantiated statements about Singapore, 
: I have to say what troubles me most is that Singapore has no soul.

Sorry dear Osbert but I must say that I just don't understand what u mean. 
Not that Singapore has no soul, but whether you've found a soul anywhere
else...

C'mon, how can we have a decent discussion if you don't give us more
substance to nit-pick on?  :)

Don't be so kiasu leh...

<mostly written in jest>
<rest written in JOE>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore