HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:48:01 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: ``Kumba'' at Busch Gardens Tampa
Summary: sounds pretty good!!
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure


In bit.listserv.words-l, Don Moore <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
posted the following info.  I thought folks here would like to see it as
well.  Time to get those reservations for Tampa, it seems.....  ;^)

| Knowing there are some roller-coaster fans in the Blue-Moon Saloon, thought
| the following excerpts from an the Tampa Tribune might be of some interest.
| 
| Busch Gardens (in Tampa) Building Southeast's Biggest Roller Coaster
| 
| Busch Gardens officials announced plans to build "Kumba," which they boast
| will be the largest and fastest steel roller coaster in the Southeast.
| 
| The ride will thrill riders for nearly three minutes: lofting them 143 feet
| into the air, plummeting them down 135 feet and spinning them upside-down
| seven times.  Traveling at speeds in excess of 60 mph, Kumba will sometimes
| hit forces 3.75 times that of gravity over 3,978 feet of its turquoise steel
| track.
| 
| Ray Ueberroth, president of American Coaster Enthusiasts, predicted the ride
| will be "outstanding."  "I've never seen anything like this," said
| Ueberroth, who was experienced 319 roller coasters over 50 years.
| 
| After Kumba riders recover from the initial 135-foot drop, they'll climb
| back up only to be dropped into a 108-foot loop, said to be the world's
| largest.  What follows is a diving loop engineered from stunt plane
| maneuvers, and a 360-degree spiraling camelback, experiencing 3 seconds
| of weightlessness as you go thru the camelback.
| 
| More spirals, a cobra roll and a double corkscrew-shaped twist will
| further excite riders, before the train, carrying eight cars, speeds
| to a finish inside a dark underground tunnel.
| 
| Well, sounds like fun to me!  They have already begun construction and is
| due to open in the spring.  Hope to be one of the first to ride it, but
| know I can't get any chicken females in my family to ride with me :-(
| 
|                             Peace,
|                                   Don

There you have it.  I note that this says 7 inversions, while Bill has
heard 6.  Oh well, what's an extra inversion among friends. ;^)

Geoff ``Unofficial rec.roller-coaster roving reporter'' Allen

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Organization: Clusters, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:27:20 -0500 
From: Gary Joseph Aulfinger <ga06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What is ACE?


ACE stands for "American Coaster Enthusiasts", a non-profit, all
volunteer club that publishes newsletters, magazines, sponsors events,
and arranges other fun/discounted things for club members. ACE is also
active protecting roller coasters through its "Preservation Fund" which
helps fund restoration projects, etc.

If you would like to become an ACE member, send your physical mail
address in email to ga06+ace@andrew.cmu.edu. I'll get a copy of the
application in the mail for you. Single memberships are $50 per year
(the membership year starts Sep. 1st, so you'ld get back mailings of all
items published since then). Other memberships rates are available for
couples, families, and businesses.

Gary
ACE Membership Director
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: s7958246@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s7958246)
Subject: Re: Mountain Park (was Re: Whalom Park -- 100 Trees for 100th Anniversary)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:11:27 GMT

   Well, I have driven by Whalom Park a few times, but that was during
the off-season. From what I saw by the road, it looks like Moutain Park
(sort of) with the exception that it's not as remote as Mountain Park
was. (That was always one of the fun parts of the park. You had to drive
up that mountain road to get to it, cross I-91. There were two previous
entryways to the park that had been discontinued, and it was always my
joy to see the two old tower-like structures guarding the old entrances.
That, and picking out the old MOUNTAIN PARK sign now hidden in the
trees.) I caught a glimpse of a woodie at Whalom, how is it? And I
anticipate another wonderful ride on the Whip.

--- Rob, one of the Tilt-A-Whirl's biggest fans. :) ---
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Mountain Park (was Re: Whalom Park -- 100 Trees for 100th Anniversary)
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:24:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Nov5.142428.6195
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

>Does anyone remember Mountain Park? That was the first amusement park I
>ever went to, the first roller coaster I ever rode (a small wooden one
>with two hills and a few camel humps at the end, nothing to write home
>about now).

I loved the woodie at Mountain Park!!  It was a great John Miller
out-and-backer, with great camel back humps which went ALL the
way to the ground (a Miller trademark!), and great turn around,
and traditional NAD rolling stock.  I wish this coaster had been
saved ... it was a shock when it was razed without warning in 1990.



>It had a ride called the Whip, which I haven't seen elsewhere, maybe >considering it was old and smelled of engine grease (what a reassuring 
>smell) and was basically the same idea as the Zipper (a carnival ride) 
>except that the cars were on the ground.

Well, why don't you plan a visit to Whalom Park in 1993 ... they
still operate a Whip there -- actually it's a very good one!!


Cheers,
Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: B&M trains (was: Coaster / GTE ad
Keywords: TV advertisement
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:33:46 GMT

Bill Figie sez:

>I did
>see the cars at IAAPA last year and hated them.  I couldn't believe
>anyone would buy a set for their coaster.  

Odd that this topic should come up...


I was talking to a coaster-buddy last night on the phone when the topic
of "knee-clearance" came up. He said that the cars on the Psyclone were
the roomiest cars he had ever seen -- bar none. We compared them to
other coaster cars (*especially the knee-cramming, claustrophobia-inducing
view-blocking phone-booths on the Texas Cyclone  ;-)    *)

He said they rode well too...although the Psyclone ain't much of a
ride (in his opinion)...especially compared to the Georgia Cyclone, and
the original...


Rendell (who rode the Georgia Cyclone 5 days ago, and still aglow)
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Notice A Trend Here?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:01:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I've just noticed a certain trend.  Now that Paramount owns
the Kings Parks, they are probably going to do the same thing
that Warner Bros. has been doing with their BATMAN rides at
the Six Flags Parks, make rides with the SAME NAME.

Pardon me while I scream.....

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Excuse me.....

Well now we'll have, what 4 or 5 different Top Guns all
over the country in a couple years.  We'll have two next
year.  Oh well, I just pray that the suspended cars on KI's
Top Gun don't look REALLY STUPID, like I think they're gonna.

Now there's  

	TOP GUN - The BATMAN wannabe
and     TOP GUN - The Flying Planes

Well at least there'll be 2 or 3 more coasters in the next couple
years. (knock on wood)

Mike "I feel the need...The need for Speed" Cornell
mac18@po.cwru.edu

Sorry couldn't help myself =)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: Whalom Park -- 100 Trees for 100th Anniversary
Followup-To: Mountain Park remembrances.
Summary: A request.
Keywords: Mountain Park.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:55:08 GMT

I surely remember Mountain Park, it was one of my "home" parks here in
New England. I visited it often, especially when I would first go to
Riverside Park, then get bummed out about crowds or attitudes or what not.
Then we would cruise northward for about 20 minutes and you were there at
Mountain Park. (Mount Tom ski area is nearby Mountain Park and used to run
alpine slides during the summertime, too). The coaster at Mountain Park had
a memorable turnaround which simultaneously performed bone-crushing
lateral movements when negotiating the turnaround which basically was a 
180-degree left turn while going downhill. The rabbit hops and Miller Dips
(Miller Dips go all the way down to the ground) made for some great G's
and air time. I was sad to hear when they closed, even sadder when they
tore down the coaster (apparently kids were entering the property and
injuring themselves on the structure and/or starting fires on it, so they
demolished it).

I'm not sure who posted the original notice about Mountain Park, but I
would encourage you to write up your remembrances and send them into
RollerCoaster! magazine if you are a member of ACE; if not, why not join
up? You sound like a good candidate, and you can get your memories
about Mountain Park published in the club magazine. Meanwhile, thanks for
the memories...
Tom.
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Keywords: TV advertisement
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:37:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure

buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>It's Lucy White and some lady riding the REBEL YELL
>(formerly painted white, now sandblasted natural wood!)
>at the ACE Coaster Con last June at KD.

Nope.  This was a twister, and not a racer.  Of that I'm sure.

And there was only one woman, whom I guessed to be the infamous Lucy
White.  She was on the right (from the riders' perspective) and the man
``interviewing'' her was on the left.

Geoff ``More confused than ever'' Allen

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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: TOP GUN..the ride (RE: STAR TREK--The Ride)
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Bill "just 2 more weeks" Figie writes:

>Anyways, in it they had a working model (1/10 scale I think) 
>of an Arrow suspend coaster (swings freely) going through a 
>inverted corkscrew.  It worked on a model, but I am not sure 
>why it couldn't be made to work full scale.  Perhaps Christopher 
>Toomer (if he is out there reading this) could shed some light on 
>this subject.  Is the whole reason it can't be done because it 
>swings freely?

I had heard Arrow had this technology, but I guess my question
is -- the THE BAT (ex-King's Island) defunct itself without
loops, how would they manage corkscrews??

Walter Bollinger was quoted as saying they've been thinking
about this concept for a while, and not until they 'fixed'
the car motion did they succeed in the design.  I guess the
factor of the cars being able to swing was a hurdle they
couldn't quite work with safely.


B.
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: TOP GUN..the ride (RE: STAR TREK--The Ride)
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:41:52 GMT


Geoff writes:
|> 
|> B&M is the manufacturer of the ride.  ``Inverted looping'' is the
|> two-word description of the ride.  It's similar to a suspended
|> coaster, except the cars are fixed, rather than free-swinging.
|>  My impression is that you trade the swinging of a suspended
|> coaster for the ability to do what B&M calls a ``heart flip,''
|> which is essentially a barrel roll.  Also, your feet hang outside
|> the coaster, like on a ski-area chair lift.

I was just cataloging another tape for my collection sent to me by a
fellow ACEer this last weekend, and in it was the 3-2-1 Contact story
showing Ron Toomer and Christopher explaining about how coasters work.
 It must be 8 years old by now.  Anyways, in it they had a working
model (1/10 scale I think) of an Arrow suspend coaster (swings freely)
going through a inverted corkscrew.  It worked on a model, but I am
not sure why it couldn't be made to work full scale.  Perhaps
Christopher Toomer (if he is out there reading this) could shed some
light on this subject.  Is the whole reason it can't be done because
it swings freely?

		Bill "just 2 more weeks" Figie
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:41:46 GMT

Bill Figie writes:

>  Just wanted to post that I went back and watched the GTE commercial
>again last night.  I am now 99.9% sure it is Psyclone (I hardly every
>say 100% on anything - been burned too often saying things like that
>about the computers and software I work on).  Also, woman is definitely
>not Lucy White or any ACEer I know of. 


Hmmmm.  Well, a friend of mine just taped for me a snippet of
the Tele last week of Lucy White riding hands up on the Rebel
Yell at the ACE Summer Conf (you can tell becuase of the conf
badges).  What was this from ... I just assumed it was this
commercial everyone is talking about??


Confused Buck
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Physics and coasters
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:15:46 GMT

In article <mhoesing.721345595@cwis> mhoesing@cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael Hoesing) writes:
>From: mhoesing@cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael Hoesing)
>Subject: Physics and coasters
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:46:35 GMT
> I am working on a project involving roller coasters, and am in need of
>some infomation on the physics of real-world coasters.  I know of a series
>in RollerCoaster! on coaster dynamics, but do not have those issues, and
>it looks as if they are sold out.  Are these articles any good?  And if
>so, where can I get them?
> Any information at all would be great!
> 
> Thanks,
>  J.J. Hoesing
>

	There was an article in Scientific American about physics and 
coasters, as well as physics and some other rides.  I don't know which year, 
but your local library and the Guide to Periodicals should help.  I think it 
was around 1983-1987.
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: What is ACE?
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:42:35 GMT


In article <of0f3i200WB=5HALo_@andrew.cmu.edu>, Tracy Aulfinger
 <tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> My husband, Gary, is the Membership director for ACE and we would be
|> happy to send you an application if you would email us your physical
|> address.  Would someone else like to take the describe ACE part of the
|> query--I have 700 renewals and applications to start processing...
|> 
|> Trace

Tracy and Gary,
   As I was reading your post about what is ACE, it occurred to me that
a file could be made and pulled in and transmitted whenever someone
asks.  In that way you won't have to retype a new "What is ACE and how
do I join" letter each time.  Do you have the capabiilities to pull in a
file and send it to the network?  If not, I seem to be able to do it (I
have not really tried) so if you can't do it I will type up one, let you
review it and then whenever someone wants information on ACE I could
just include this file.  Let me know.  I am sure you are busy.  It
really should be simple for me to make up a nice "pre-canned one" and
send it over the net whenever.

	Bill "what is ACE really" Figie
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From: Steve Frampton <frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin,soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: What is the title and singer of this song!?!?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 23:34:42 EST
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi everyone!

While listening to some Zouk and roots Reggae that a friend introduced
me to (thanks, E.C.!) I came across this really nice reggae song that
practically broke my heart!

Can anyone tell me who does this, what it's called, where I can get it?

    "Children playing in the streets,
     On broken bottles, on ruddy sheets.  [not sure about this!]

     Another little baby got nothin' to eat,
     In the ghetto bitter wan' sweet.      [again, not sure!]

     Sitting in the darkness, searchin' for the light,
     Struggling in the ghetto, trying to do the right.
     Mother's screaming "Watch the car!"
     But the hit and run man had gone too far.    [ ;-( ]

     Sitting in the darkness, searchin' for the light,
     Struggling in the ghetto, trying to do the right.

     [etc...]"

I won't rest until I can buy this (and more) on CD!  Thanks in advance!

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: eric@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eric Majani)
Subject: Re: Mercedes Sosa
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:23:54 GMT

Her best albums in my opinion:

1. "Gracias a la vida" (on Polygram?)

2. The Live Concert in Germany (can't remember the exact
title but if you find one, that's the one)

Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Subject: Re: Acknowledge not Expropriate  re:reggea music
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:54:06 GMT

In article <9412@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>...deleted
>Hey, hey, yo dude! Acknowledge and enjoy, dont expropriate. Reggea IS jamaican
>music. Even all the off-shoots you have mentioned are Jamaican. Reggea is as
>Jamaican as apple pie is American, and perhaps more than english is English.
>

Regg*ae* is NOT Jamaican music.  To say that would mean (IMO) that only
Jamaican people listen to it, and only Jamaican people create it, and that just
simply is not the case.  I am not Jamaican, and I listen to reggae music, and
all the artists that create it are not Jamaican.  IMO, that is just a term that
was put on reggae by people who know little about the music to label it for
their own use or personal benefit, the same way some mail order music clubs
used to(and perhaps some still do) put R&B and rap under the label "Black
Music".  

>The fact that other people have come to like it can not and will not diminish or
>alter this fact. I don't know why it is so difficult yo the Jamaican music stylewhen referring to Reggea. 
>
>I suspect that this is the way Rock Music was lost.  I pbserved this awhile ago
>on another newsgroup where the common denominator was a love for Reggea music.
>There the posters were beleagured to acknowledge the Jamaican nature of Reggea.
>When I brought this up they chose to dwell on the fact that since the music is
>loved and played by many people of all races, it can no longer be narrowly 
> credited to one country or culture.

If this is what you believe, you are contradicting what you said earlier about
reggae being Jamaican music.  As far as the parallel between this being the way
rock music was lost, with all the underground artists that make reggae what it
is, I doubt it will ever be lost.

>
>I realize the love that many people have for this music. The truth is that it
>is and will remain a distinctively black Jamaican thing. And we would be well
>advised to love and play it as such.

Take out that word "Jamaican" and I agree with that statement 100%

>
>Makala

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: louis@well.sf.ca.us (Louis Jaffe)
Subject: Re: Good ZOUK
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:10:18 GMT

In <97296@netnews.upenn.edu> perrault@a.chem.upenn.edu 
Ronel Perrault writes:

	 I must say that I am fortunate to listen to new relesases.
	 I belong to the Discovery Disks Club. 

Haven't heard of Discovery Disks Club... could you elaborate?

LJ
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:48:36 GMT

Blackheart Man and Liberation are really good. Rule Dance Hall also has some
heavy roots material, unlike Marketplace, which has a more techno feel, but
it's still good. 
And I could have seen the man play back home in St. Louis, but he refused
because, "I man don't play no rum joints" -it was a bar. I was obviously upset
because I had been looking forward to seeing him, but also gained a lot more
respect for him. All respect is due to a man like Bunny Wailer, who would
sacrifice money etc, for his personal beliefs.
But back to the question- get Blackheart Man and Liberation! And then get the
rest.

					Peace out,
					B.E.


Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Good ZOUK
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:44:33 GMT

In article <1d36h2INN9ov@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:

     Any recommedations for Zouk recordings, esp. those that are
   not overproduced (less drum machines, more real people).
     Also info about BOUKMAN EXPERYENS (sp. ?)
   -- 
   Ted....

Two good recent compilations are Planet Zouk on Rhythm Safari and Zouk
Attack, which I believe is on Rounder.  Both have a wide variety of
different styles and artists.  Bit too much "Lover's Zouk" for my
taste, but your results may vary.

As far as Boukman Eksperyans goes, I just received their latest album,
but haven't had a chance to listen too closely yet.  I wasn't all that
thrilled with their last one.  They have one or two good songs, but
overall I wouldn't recommend them.

If you want to learn more about Haitian Voodoo and Rara music, there's
a good article in this month's Pulse magazine.  Plenty o' artists
listed and good background.  Hope this helps.

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From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Black Arks
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:38:51 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

Does anyone know what album the song "Come Along" by the Black Arks is on?
It's old 70's dub, at least that's what it sounds like...
Any 411?


thanks
B>E
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: yount@spot.Colorado.EDU (YOUNT MICHAEL BRIAN)
Subject: Gilberto Gil's latest?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:04:40 GMT


Does anyone out there know the title of Gilberto Gil's latest CD?  Is it 
available in the US?  I heard a cut on NPR's Brasilian Hour and it 
really sounded good!  Also any recommendations you could give me about
recent Brasilian releases would be much appreciated.
 
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