HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.config
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:24:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <1992Oct9.223843.23059@oracle.us.oracle.com>,
 rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) doodled:

>Here at Oracle, we honor newgroups and ignore rmgroups. That won't change
>no matter how often you rmgroup alt.graphics.

Two further questions that have just struck me.

1) Do you ignore the rmgroups for the mainstream groups, or are we just
   talking alt.* here ?

2) What did you do about alt.fan.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:, you know,
   the one which upsets things like rn and xrn ?

-- 
 Christopher Samuel, c/o Computer Unit, UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
  RFC: ccs@aber.ac.uk   UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs   JNT: ccs@uk.ac.aber
          Deddf Iaith Newydd i Gymru | New Language Act for Wales
From: Marc.Unangst@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Marc Unangst)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:14:30 -0100

Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <Bw06vM.40J@alsvid.une.edu.au> mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859) writes:
>	I know we are not all running C-news but. All that's necessary
>to stop alt.graphics is alias it to comp.graphics and then forget
>about it.

Or, just delgroup it locally, and then apply this patch to
/usr/lib/newsbin/ctl/newgroup.  This will make newgroup reject
newgroup requests for "alt.graphics" with the error message
"alt.graphics is a bogus newsgroup."  I do not suggest modifying
newgroup to bounce the mail back to the sender, since I believe the

Here is the patch.

*** newgroup~	Mon Oct 12 18:11:58 1992
***************
*** 48,53 ****
  	esac
  done
  
+ if [ "$1" = "alt.graphics" ]; then
+ 	reject=${reject-'alt.graphics is a bogus newsgroup'}
+ fi
+ 
  # consult control file, if present
  perms=$NEWSCTL/newgroupperm
  action=yv

-- 
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mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | the hard way, and the easy way.  Let's start
                            | with the hard way."
                            |   - W. Scheider, from a Physics lecture

Newsgroups: news.admin
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: changing domain of system running C-news
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:30:13 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct11.174752.1288@victrola.sea.wa.us> root@victrola.sea.wa.us (The system god) writes:
>Is there a quick thing I can do with C-news to switch the domain
>(or is there nothing to be done) rather than having to rerun build
>and reinstall everything ?

Nothing in the software knows the system name itself.  That's all in
control files in /usr/lib/news.
-- 
MS-DOS is the OS/360 of the 1980s.      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
              -Hal W. Hardenbergh (1985)|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: peppe@ipgaix.unipg.it (G. Vitillaro)
Subject: mailing lists to news
Organization: Universita' di Perugia
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:17:15 GMT

 I'm looking to some "easy" way to map
mailing lists (in particular bitnet listserv)
on local newsgroups.

I'm using cnews and there is something about that
on contrib, but it seems that you have to setup a new
alias for any new mail group and I don't clearly understand
how ths post may be controlled.

Anyone on this group may give me some
suggestion or hint?

Thank in advance, G.Vitillaro

-- 
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From: Tazzie@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: News-Feed Wanted -- New York (516 area code)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:41:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Hi there.  I am setting up Waffle from DOS, and searching for a news-feed
that I may use, in the 516 area code (Long Island, NY)

I'm running Waffle 1.65 from DOS (Possibly OS/2 in the future), using
a v.32bis v.42bis 14400 baud modem.

I am not sure how many usenet newsgroups I will be carrying, I will 
start off low and see how it goes from there... 
Please email me here, TAZZIE@CUP.PORTAL.COM 

Thank you for your time.        --Jon Nowak
From: Tim.Pierce@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:29:54 -0100

Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <1992Oct12.112510@mccall.com> tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.160442.23928@netcom.com>, jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
>writes:
>
>>- It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of right and wrong.
>>  I realize that some people don't understand the difference, but
>>  most do.
>
>It is a matter of opinion over right and wrong. Given that alt has no arbiter of
>right and wrong, even by popular consensus, differences of opinion are possible.
>Which part of this do you reject?

That alt has no arbiter of right and wrong, even by popular consensus.
There is an understanding (granted, a very general and loosely defined
one) among news administrators regarding which alt groups are
"properly" created and which ones are not.  For example, the arguments
in favor of the existence of alt.graphics usually run along the lines
of "nobody cares about alt" or "anyone can create an alt group at any
time."  The attitude of apathy, I think, is self-defeating.

>What I was referring to is
>the annoyance of receiving email from my news system giving me the blow-by-blow
>on your war with the forger. The last thing any news admin (or in this case,
>every news admin) needs is more annoyance.

I can cope with receiving the occasional rmgroup/newgroup pair in my
mailbox.  It, at least, is regular, unlike the performance of tin,
which I consider a major grievance. :-)  alt.graphics is really a drop
in the bucket.

>You are both guilty of sending out
>messages that annoy large numbers of news admins with no consideration for our
>feelings in the matter.

Whine.  Jef *could* put "becker" in the Path message for his rmgroup
messages to hide their existence from the guilty party, presumably
resulting in the lack of a following newgroup.  Nevertheless, this is
really out of proportion with the situation we're talking about.

Imminent death of alt.graphics predicted, film at 11 ....

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: james@engrs.unl.edu (James Nau)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: FidoNet in .NL gone awry?
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:12:48 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering & Technology, University of Nebraska-Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: engrss2.unl.edu

Has some site in the Netherlands gone awry?  We have gotten some
'duplicate' posts lately with strange From: lines.  For instance
one I just noticed:
-----
> Path: crcnis1.unl.edu!wupost!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!wtrlnd!\
> monly.wlink.nl!news-daemon
> From: Henry.Spencer@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Henry Spencer)
> Newsgroups: news.admin
> Subject: C News ctl/newgroup script isn't very careful!
> Message-ID: <719058360.F00097@monly.wlink.nl.wlink.nl>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:35:24 -0100
> Sender: news-daemon@monly.wlink.nl.wlink.nl
> Lines: 14
> 
> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
=====

And, the one that sparked it off (first, the original):

> Path: unlinfo.unl.edu!wupost!gumby!destroyer!mudos!mju
> From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
> Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
> Message-ID: <Bw14G7.LI5@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:14:30 GMT
> References: <Bvr7oK.C8D@umassd.edu> <Bw06vM.40J@alsvid.une.edu.au>
> Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI
> Lines: 35
> 
-----
Then, the one from .NL.  

> Path: crcnis1.unl.edu!wupost!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!wtrlnd!\
> monly.wlink.nl!news-daemon
> From: Marc.Unangst@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Marc Unangst)
> Newsgroups: news.admin
> Subject: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
> Message-ID: <719058360.F00032@monly.wlink.nl.wlink.nl>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:14:30 -0100
> Sender: news-daemon@monly.wlink.nl.wlink.nl
> Lines: 35
> 
> Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI
------

Is it just us here getting these?  Oh yes, I split Path: lines above.
We just upgraded to INN, and we are trying to catch up with news.
Also, we are seeing a lot of 'old' bit.* traffic too.  But, that
shouldn't have any effect on the above articles.

Thanks
James Nau

james@engrs.unl.edu

College of Engineering
University of Nebraska--Lincoln
W181 Nebraska Hall
Lincoln, NE  68588-0501
From: J..Steven.Harrison@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (J. Steven Harrison)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: MAP Help!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:51:41 -0100

Organization: Systems'n'Software

Hello Netlanders!

I have been running the following command to generate a pathalias database for
mailers for years:

pathalias -l jack ./data/[du].* ./data/MyMaps|sort -f|pathproc >paths.jack

where pathproc looks like this:
# move cost field to end of line
#
sed 's/\(.*\)   \(.*\)  \(.*\)/\2       \3      \1/'|
#
# convert target domain/host to lower case
#
lcasep |
#
# sort the stream
#
sort

With the release of the maps at the beginning of the month this years old
procedure has broken. Has anyone else expereinced any trouble?

Any useful suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.config
From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: ALT.GRAPHICS: Enough already!!!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:29:06 GMT

In <1992Oct15.175524.25699@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:

>From /usr/lib/newsbin/ctl/newgroup:

># bogus newgroup? Then quit
>grep "$1" $NEWSCTL/newgroupkill >/dev/null && { rm -f $hdr; exit 0; }

Thank you.  This (and a similar line in rmgroup) is just what I need
to filter these cretins out so I never need to see mail messages about
their petty little new/rm-group war any more.

(rmgroup currently checks for the existance of a line in the active
file for the group, and aborts quietly if there isn't one; it should
probably check the flag field for an x or an =group as well, but I'm
not feeling ambitious enough today to write that...)  (and
relay/chamod, or the scripts that call it, could use a permissions
file like newgroupperm as well...)

-- 
Michael A Stoodt  [MaS]      |        mumble mumble disclaimer mumble...
stoodt@cis.umassd.edu        | "Will the last person to leave the planet
Comp&InfoSci, UMassDartmouth |  please turn off the sun?" - Mike Resnick
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: u8111055@cc.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: kkk
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:38:45 GMT
From: ckchiu@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (CHIU Chong-kan)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: How to change News server ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:59:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cucs5.1992Oct15.125913.26478
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong


Our news server only subscribe a number of news groups.  As a user,
is there any way for me to change the server (connect to another
server) ?

Please E-mail to me !  All help appreciated !!!

C.K.Chiu
From: gtd543a@prism.gatech.EDU (death)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.binaries.ms-windows moderated
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:28:56 GMT
Organization: Fool's Paradise
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Bruce C. Wright (bruce@ais.com) wrote:
: Is this because of the moderator, or because there are relatively few
: submissions in the first place?  Or are there a lot of submissions
: that have to be rejected for some reason (like failing to work
: properly)?  If either of these is the case, I'm not sure that anyone
: else you could get as moderator would be any better, modulo the
: fact that different people would probably draw somewhat different
: lines about when software was broken beyond useability.

I quite agree.  I didn't think about my answer there - I have no way
of knowing the situation there at c.b.i.p.  Anyway, so that a moderator
like that doesn't come up, I'll volunteer my services as moderator.
-- 
Jeff M. Garzik                    |
25861 Georgia Tech Station        | "Only sheep need a leader"
Atlanta, GA  30332                |                       - Nomeansno
E-Mail: gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu  |
From: fath1@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.marching vs rec.arts.marching
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:44:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct9.114402.16199
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>> In article <1992Oct4.151911.16327@vdbsan>
>> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:
>>  
>
>
>I would assent to the following:
>
>       rec.[arts.]bands.[marching.]drumcorps
>
>This would illustrate to the 'netter immediately that drum corps are
>indeed a type of marching band.  They would then learn, from reading the
>group, that there is a lot more to drum corps than they might otherwise
>have suspected.  If they are not interested in even marching bands, I don't
>believe they will be interested in drum corps; at least, this is my own
>assessment of the opinions of those I've spoken with...
>
Willard,

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that drumcorps is not just
another type of marching band as you suggest.  I recognize many similarities,
but they are distinct entities with different origins, purposes, functions
within the musical community and different long term goals.

Here is an example to illustrate.  You prefer the name
rec.arts.band.drumcorps

Let's say we wanted to start  2 groups to discuss apples and oranges.  They 
have a lot of similarities, they are both fruits, they both taste good, they
are both round, they both grow on trees etc.
But one is not a subset of the other.  They are both subsets of a larger
group called fruit.

What we propose to do is create a heirachy to support these two groups under
a common larger group.  We would create food.fruit.apple and food.fruit.orange.

Under your suggestion, we would say that they are similar enough that they
should be grouped together given a name like food.apple.orange.
Clearly, the first suggestion is more appropriate then the second.

For bands and corps, they have many similarities but they are distinct.
In fact, by definition, drumcorps uses bugles only, & has a strong emphasis
on percussion.  We think the term marching is an appropriate term to use
as a more general term to group bands and corps and that they are distinct
enough to be separate groups.
>


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M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
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From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.med
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:10:27 CET
Followup-To: news.groups,sci.med
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <1b1jrbINNmgd@cs.utexas.edu>, turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
> -*----
> The antagonism in sci.med felt by the proponents of alternative
> therapies comes from the call for them to speak sense and to
> argue from the facts.  The point of a second newsgroup is to
> increase the distance between them and their critics. 
> 
> Russell

Not really, the new newsgroup was proposed by someone from the medical 
profession who wanted alternative therapies out of sci.med NOT by an 
advocate of alternative therapies who was running from critism.
Besides there is a differance between constructive critism and plain abuse.

Also when doctors are asked to provide referances, they generally say they 
have better things to do with their valuable time (which I have no arguement 
with). Yet when proponents of alternative therapies say the same thing .....

Loosen up a bit, I'm sure not _all_ alternative practitioners are quacks and 
I'm just as sure that _some_ doctors fit into the quack category. No brand of 
medicine has all the answers.  I'd like to think that each can learn from the 
other by reasoned discussion, avoiding the complete ridicule heaped on people 
here recently.

Micheal.

M.De.Buitlear@EuroKom.ie
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:51:57 GMT

In article <BvrAIr.Ju3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
> In article <BvpwHJ.Gyv@uunet.uu.net> peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >This is a Request for Discussion for reorganizing the comp.windows hierarchy,
> >motivated by the inability of MS-DOS users to realise that there are other
> >window systems in the world.

>  How ever you finally succeed in renaming the groups, please try to get the
> names done in such an order that a minor system such as X-Windows is not 
> confused with a large, well known system such as MS-Windows, to avoid more 
> trouble in the future.

What does X-windows have to do with it? I use X under protest only because
of economic necessity. I'm by no means an X enthusiast. The only reason so
many X groups are in the list is that they were already there.

I don't suppose you've heard of 8 1/2, MGR, or any of the other higher
quality window systems out there. X has no problem holding its own.
Unfortunately.

>  (For those of you who are ironically challenged, the purpose of this posting
> was to point out the immense pomposity of the original post.)

Reality check: try reading it with knee pads. You can damage your leg with
it jerking around like that.
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:27:29 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <BvrAIr.Ju3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
> How ever you finally succeed in renaming the groups, please try to get the
>names done in such an order that a minor system such as X-Windows is not 
>confused with a large, well known system such as MS-Windows, to avoid more 
>trouble in the future.

I think that MSWindows should definately have it's own sub-tree, but I have
to correct your comment about "a minor system such as X-Windows".  X is being
used on workstations all over the place.  It may only be represented in
the MS-DOS world w/ one or two (Desqview/X and I think there's something
for MSWindows...) packages, but in the workstation & networking market it 
is practically the ONLY thing around.

You're PC-centrism is showing :)

> It's sometimes distressing to see a small group of enthusiasts "capture"
>a word to keep as their own when it's only going to create trouble when they
>collide with the real world.  Maybe a "reality check" should be mandatory
>when group names are proposed?

When dealing w/ the USENET (largely UNIX, next comes VMS (I think)), it's
the MS-DOSsers that qualify as the "small group of enthusiasts".....

> (For those of you who are ironically challenged, the purpose of this posting
>was to point out the immense pomposity of the original post.)

Darn it.  I shouldn't start replying before I get to the end of the
article.  Oh well......  You sounded just like one of "them".....



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From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:10:18 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: e7b88c477167c8a142f8e4025ee37557

In article <BvpwHF.Gy0@uunet.uu.net> pauls@umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>PROPOSAL:
>
>This RFD proposes a SINGLE UNMODERATED newsgroup, named
>comp.os.386bsd to service the entire 386bsd community.

Wrong spot in the hierarchy.  I'd support comp.unix.bsd.i386bsd or
something similar.

We can argue until doomsday about whether it belongs in comp.os or
comp.unix, but we already have the comp.unix tree, and that is where it
inarguably belongs.   It also needs to be under the comp.unix.bsd tree
so that folks who don't (do) want bsd traffic can cut (add) the traffic
in a simple manner.
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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Summary: Something's not right at PSU.... as usual
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:59:14 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <92275.114651KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>, KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu (Karl Nordstrom) writes:
> singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh) writes:
> >rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) said:
> >> Secondly, you would have had no problem finding the newsgroup if you
> >> had read the postings in news.announce.newusers, which ALL new Usenet
> >> users should read, and all users should be familiar with.
> >This is an example of the arrogance I find here and in this "discussion"
> >in particular that bugs me.  People generally pop up there newsreader, read
> >news, and maybe if they get an inkling to look they try out new newsgroups.
> 
> When I first started my news reader (PSU's netnews) I didn't get pointed
> to news.announce.newusers.  You can't expect new users to read n.a.n
> if they don't know it even exist.

Then you should run, NOT walk, to the office of whoever is in charge of
psuvm and thrash them soundly about the head and shoulders. Pointing new
users to n.a.n. is the FIRST thing that should happen. Followed by
instructions on how to post, nettiquette, and rudimentary instructions
on the news reader you're using. Even something handed out on printed
paper is better than turning a newbie loose on an unsuspecting net with
nary a clue. 

This should start another round of PSU remarks. Methinks this time they
may be justified. 


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:04:02 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E Wexelblat):
>	Request For Discussion - comp.windows.x.i386unix, unmoderated

What about the 486?

I'd suggest the name "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" instead, to avoid
mentioning the 386 (the same reason why comp.unix.sysv386 has already
been renamed to comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, though the rmgroup message
hasn't been issued yet).  Or maybe "comp.unix.pc-clone.x".
-- 
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