HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Daniel West)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Khat --> Cat hype
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:45:38 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Keywords: anonymous


The first, and most obvious, problem with the article is that - if
everything in it is true - it is still an argument in favor of
legalization, as the chemists to whom it refers wouldn't even
be trying to invent new drugs if they had easy access to the
natural originals.
It's the same logic behind the people who consume nutmeg
for a trip.
From: glen@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Glen Sonnenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Talking to kids
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:02:43 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

A friend of a friend of a distant cousin would like to know how people 
on the net deal with talking to there kids about drugs?  I know it's
a long shot and this may not be the place :) but is there anyone out there
that smokes MJ and has to deal with kids?  Do you tell them what it is?
If so, when?  With stories of kids turning in their parents this seems
like it could be a problem.  How old were they when you talked to them?
How did you counter all of the hysteria out there?  How did you impress
upon them the importance of not talking about it to their friends?  
How did you talk to them from a anti-WOD stance without encouraging them
to abuse drugs?  I thought this might be a good discussion topic given
that fact that most of the WOD and anti-drug information is being targetted
at kids.  This could have a long lasting effect if it's not countered
by real facts and information rather than slogans.
From: ab509523@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (The Axman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: mystical experiences
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:09:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


  I suppose that this has been asked before but can mystical experiences 
   (aka  Carlos Castaneda ) be achieved with mary jane ?
   
                 curious 
                   
                  The Axman 
      
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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: N2O (i.e.Kidde whippets)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:51:27 GMT

AAT@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (Gus Trautweiler) writes:
>with O2 to keep you just out of conciousness.  The N2O buzz is caused by
>lack of O2 in the brain so remember, have fun AND safety first! 
*----
Nonsense.  If that's all it was, then we could get the same effect
without nitrous oxide, just by breathing less oxygen.  Carbon dioxide
is a lot cheaper and easier to get than N2O.  If we could get the
same effect from it, we would.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: In War on Drugs, Battle Against AIDS Falls Behind
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:18:40 GMT

An article with the above title appeared on the first page of the 
LA Times, Sept. 28 1992.  It's long and fairly interesting but
I will only quote the part that appears on page 1, since this conveys
some of the "tone" of this piece, which is not very pro-WOD.

By Barry Bearak BROOKLYN, N.Y. - The cop was shouting "OK, junkies,
get the f--- out of there!"  And as the four haggard dope fiends slowly
filed out, he rapped each on the back with his nightstick, then stalked
up the back stairs into the "shooting gallery".  It disgusted him to
look at the wretched little room where these people shot up, this nest
of AIDS and tuberculosis and who knew what else.

Patrolman Kenney Brenkert stomped on a small pile of sterile syringes,
knocked over a table that held small bottles of bleach disinfectant,
swung wildly with his stick at the bedsheets that kept the windows
hidden from the streets.  He breathed the air, which was thick and
stale.  

The policeman began to curse, f------ junkie this and f------ junkie
that, until his partner stopped him.  The other cop was scared.  His
hand flapped at a swarm of insects that whirled up out of the trash.
"C'mon let's get out of here," he said.  "These flies bite you, it'll
kill you."

So ended another skirmish in the long, wearying War on Drugs.  The
police had shooed off some dope fiends, a kind of scuffle repeated
thousands of times, day after day, sea to shining sea.  In this
instance, it closed down the drug spot at 384 Melrose St. for an entire
6.5 minutes.  And it did one more thing.  It made those addicts a little
more nervous, a little more hasty and a little more likely to spread
that AIDS virus that steeps in their blood.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] replacements for 'e'
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep25.013218.13864@u.washington.edu>, ap.5113@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
> 
> 
> Has synthesized and/or ingested 1-(3-Methoxy-4-methylphenyl)-
> 2-aminopropane as per Nichols, et. al. (J. Med Chem., 34, 1662-1668)?  
> It doesn't look like it would be that bad to synth. and I wanted to know
> if anyone had tried and what luck they had with it.  (This is supposed to be a
> non-neurotoxic MDMA substitute.)

Shulgin, in Pihkal, on page 770, mentions in passing:

Some years ago a report appeared in the forensic literature of Italy,
of the seizure of a small semitransparent capsule containing 141 mg
of a white powder that was stated to eb a new hallucinogenic drug.
This was shown to contain an analogue of DOM, 3-methoxy-4-methyl
amphetamine, or MMA. The Italian authorities made no mention of the
net weight contained in each dosage unit, but it has been found
that the active level of MMA in man is in the area of 40-60 mg.
THe compound can apparantly be quite dysphoric, and long-lived.

> 
> Secondly I saw this abstract and wondered if anyone out there was willing to
> venture a guess or two about it's implications...

Interesting article deleted.

> What do you think that this means in terms of the toxicity of MBDB and has
> said toxicity ever been tested?  

Synthesis of this is in PIHKAL. Effects said to be like MDMA, but
more "stoning" - and a little like MDA. Also check out J.Med Chem
1982,25,530-535 for Nichols original synthesis and testing. In
the intro to his paper discussing the non-neurotoxic indan and
tetralin MDMA derivatives, J.Med.Chem 1990,33,703-710, Nichols
lumps MBDB and MDMA together, but does not say explicitly that
MBDB is neurotoxic. I have no idea if this substance has the
same neurotoxicity of MDA and MDMA, but I wouldn't be surprised.

> 
> As one final question, has the neurotoxicity of plain old amphetamine and 
> N-methylamphetamine been tested, and if so how do they compare with MDA and
> MDMA?

Yep - some research, neurotoxic I recall,  - different mechanism,
different type of toxicity. dopamine system? someone else fill in 
the details of this one.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: bbs.northman@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Bryan Clouse)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:39:39 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh) writes:

> 
> 	'Lo, a friend is interested in the dangers involved with Nitrous
> Oxide.  I know that there are some dangers and precautions that must be
> taken, but all I can remember is that you shouldn't inhale directly out
> of the pressurized tank.
> 
> 
> Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us

Well, I've had experiencd with N2O. The body reacts with the gas over a 
period of time. I buy a 24 pack of cartridges (sp?) about every three or 
four months. That's about all I can handle. After that, it isn't as good 
a zip.
NorthMan/\/\

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From: ap.5288@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Re: Nitrous Oxide
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5288@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:41:30 GMT


Hi, I have a question about nitrous.

A while ago, someone said you could use Micronox fuel from Radio Shack.
I just happen to have a couple of cylinders... it says on the back
"must not be used as an inhalant".  I was wondering if this is because
it isn't pure nitrous, or is it just to cover their ass?  Also, how
many balloons does one of these cartridges fill?  Thanks.

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Subject: Special K & Utopia
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:20:42 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
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Anybody ever heard of either of these two drugs? The names are familiar to me,
but I can't remember where I heard them. Possibly read about them in a Rolling
Stone or some such :-)

Any info would be appreciated.

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] ibogaine query
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 02:57:03 GMT

In article <malcolm.718307202@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) wr
tes:
>I'm in the middle of a Hunter S. Thompson book and I'm pretty certain th
t
>he had mentioned ibogaine in one of the artricles - I think he had writt
n
>an article accusing Hubert Humphrey as being on it, based on description

>of the effects he had read about. The effects listed there included a fe

>less glowing things than the description posted, but this was from years
ago
>and it was Hunter writing this... 
>
>  - Malcolm  



 Isn't it a kind of poetic synchronicity that Hunter S. Thomson should
mention ibogaine when _hunters_ is Africa use it to help their hunt?

St. Anthony

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From: cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:22:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>Here in the US, you can buy it in speed shops for use in your race car.  But
>they mix some other crap in the tank with it.  Net.rumor says some sort of
>sulpher/oxygen compound, but an aquaintence who actually uses it in his car
>told me his had methanol.

Your friend's been inhaling a few too many exhaust fumes. :^)
It's SO2, sez right on the tank.  not to exceed 100 ppm.  you can react it
away with a few gallons of water and some baking soda, NaOH, or other base.

I don't know about other impurities tho.  They might get a little sloppy with
the non-clinical-grade stuff.  suck at your own risk.

>Hey, net.chemists:  Do N2O and CH3OH mix at those pressures?  If not, they
>could be separated by inverting the tank.

Kind of a moot point.

One of these days I'll post instructions on how to make your very own SO2
filter. 

Till then, 

vince

p.s. someone's post implied that attaching a hose to the tank and sucking the
N2O through the hose was an acceptable way to do it.  This is hilarious.
The shit is under ENORMOUS pressure; without a regulator it would explode your
fuckin lungs, plus it's WAY cold; you'll get frost on a hose 1 ft away from
the tank.  use balloons.
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: travels.ps request
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:48:21 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

Can someone who successfully uudecoded the travels.ps file that
appeared in this newsgroup (I think it was about LSD travels by
A. Hofmann) please email me the uuencoded file. (or repost it please).

Thanks.

Shckwish!
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From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:50:35 GMT


In article <1ae7u7INNqif@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>Remember, it is for Whipped cream, not inhaling. Some stores won't sell to you
>if you say that it is. (Of course they will look at you weird for buying 50
>catridges at once, or they smile knowingly, depending on their age usually.)

I have a friend who tried to buy some whipped cream cartridges (here
in Massachusetts) and was carded.  They didn't sell to him because he
was under 21.  Does anyone know if this is law, or just the particular
store?  I don't remember whipped cream ever being tied to alcohol
before.

--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
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From: dl@cockatoo.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: Clinton rally at Drew University
Reply-To: dl@thumper.bellcore.com
Organization: Packet Communications Research Group (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:20:28 GMT

	At Clinton's rally yesterday a group help up one letter posters that
read D U  INHALES, and LEGALIZE IT when the cards where flipped. The group of
10 students must have gotten there pretty early because they where in full
view of the platform and press!

dan
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:25:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Assuming that the average "dose" is 100 ug, then there's no way you'd even
be able to notice strychnine even if it made up the entire dose. (Speaking
as a chemist, not from any actual experience.)

-Howard

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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:11:29 -0500

In article <1992Sep24.124627.2620@wkuvx1.bitnet> carltdl@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Hello, I am doing research on the effects of LSD and I all I really
>need right now is some insight on the Flash Back topic. Myth or fact.
>What causes it, is it very dangerous, how often it can happen, you
>know stuff like that. Thanx in advance
>
>PS, if this in is a FAQ somewhere could someone please send that to me
>instead.

From my understanding of the research that has been done, no, there
are no such things as drug induced lsd flashbacks. 

A flashback, which is an emotional animal, can occur when something,
usually a sense, triggers memories of a previous incident.  This
happens to me frequently with things that relate to especially
frightening or otherwise emotional events.  These obviously have
nothing to do with drugs.  I had these long before I ever tried any
illegal drugs.  

Since trying those, I have not had any flashbacks of a strange
variety.  And I know many people who have/do/did taken quite large
amounts of psychadelics for a long period of time, yet who never
experienced this urban legand either.  

The UB reads that "crystals" of the drug residue "stick" in the blood
vessels of the brain (stick to WHAT???) and later "break lose" and
float into the brain, making you high all over again.  Knowing a
little bit about the chemical makeup of the drug, and knowing a little
about physiology make me discount this bunch of bull. 

amy
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From: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] anonymous test
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:32:42 GMT


Just a simple little test.  Ignore if you can..

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From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] In the window??
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:15:05 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1992Sep30.234318.8004@u.washington.edu> ap.5534@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>Hi all. A FOAF of a FOAF of mine is growing A Certain Herb for
				  .
                     [ lots-o-stuff(tm) deleted ]
				  .
>So, is keeping this specimen in the window totally stoopid? Some
				  .
                     [ lots-o-stuff(tm) deleted ]
				  .
>What's the call? Is my FOAF's FOAF an oaf? (I'm sorry if that one hurt.)
				  .
                     [ rest-o-stuff(tm) deleted ]
				  .

In my opinion: YES - Big Time. All it takes is one neighbor, one passer-by
or one curious law officer and there's your probable cause for search and
seizure. Ever talk to a FOAF of a FOAF who's had an apartment 'searched
and seized'?

BTW   What does FOAF stand for????    Farkin' OAF!

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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.212213.5062@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <92277.205934IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>> Could you elaborate on the physiology of LSD please
>
>I feel that my experience with lsd has been a very good benefit.  1)It
>was just plain fun, 2)it was very enlightening, it helps to open up
>new ways of thinking that you might not have stumbled upon had you not
>taken it and 3)it acted as a catalyst for so many other things. 
>

I must agree.  I was VERY afraid of what the drug would be like, but I was
calmed when I dicovered how wonderful the drug was!  I too, thought "Jeeze...   is this shit gonna fuck me up and ruin the rest of my mental life (i.e. make me wear black clothes everyday and smoke clove cigarettes while listening to a
John Coltane CD sampled and run over a hip-hop beat)? but nooooo..... it left methe same person.... only MORE so!   I promise that if you are with some good,
warm friends (the best kind to have) and really are in a good mood and have
about a quad of good weed for your personal use over the next 12 hours or so... you'll be fine!  Dosing is something that everyone in the World should experience at least once per lifetime!                                            

Drink lots of O.J. while tripping and then light smokes in a dark room and
trace figures in the mist... ok?

mtymp15


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meow
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From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: rosewood seeds
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:06:55 GMT


>ch_hayhurst@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>>I would like to know if there is anyone out there who has heard of being able
>>to extract LSD out of something called baby hawaiien(sp?) rosewood seeds.
>>Is this just an urban legend or what?
>>If there is actually a way to do it, could someone please E-mail me or post the
>>procedure?

Actually...does anyone out there have an address for someone who
sells HBWRS? I looove them, and want to pick some more up.
Thanks.
John

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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:00:21 GMT

[ LSD my problem child ]

>I'm aware of the horrendous copyright problems with this, but I figure if
>the erotic pictures groups get away with it... :-) --Erik

The book is on the Open Book Initiative archives - I would think they
study the copyright issue and thus my guess is that they have somehow
cleared.  This is only a guess though, I won't pay $$$$ if some
publisher or translator somewhere sues anyone distributing it.

//Jyrki
From: fxdeutsc@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Felix Deutsch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: psilocybin/magic mushrooms
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:44:16 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

hi,
	i need detailed information about psilo's, e.g usage, cultivating them
	at home, effects and so on.
	i had my first trip on it since two weeks or so (quite unusual)
	and would like to find out more about it.
	
	please e-mail all related stuff to :
	
	fxdeutsc@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

thanx in advance
	felix
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 21:18:24 -0400 
From: Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: need info on plant growth

Well...
suscribe to HighTimes......they tell you all kinds of neat shit....

anyways...if the plant is grown indoors....it maybe because a lack of sunlight.
As a lot of the sewer grown plants are completely white because there is not light a    
any light whatsoever. That's my suggestion.

Or maybe you have some kind of special weed....pick a bud that has whites at the
ends and smoke it....tell us about it.....I am curious....

I have never heard of a mite that turns leaves white before
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Anonymous posting: 2-CB anyone?
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:42:49 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep29.101043.10627@u.washington.edu>, ap.5478@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
> 
>      I'm writing on behalf of a friend (of course!), who was interested in
> a drug called 2-CB, especially it's subjective effects, likely impurities
> on the black market, and a little about it's chemistry. (Basically
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> everyting, I guess, but particularly subjectives, and dangers...)  If 
> anyone's heard about it, I(we)'s be grateful.
> 
>       I don't know anything about it, but he says he's heard people tell him
> it's just the greatest, while others have said it was a nightmare.  Thanks...

Anything most people round here know about 2-CB comes from 
Dr Alexander Shulgin's book, PIHKAL. The best I can do is
to refer you to that. I am fascinated by any suggestion or 
accounts of black market 2-CB; I have heard no evidence that 
it is being illicitly manufactured (yet). If you believe you
have tried it, or seen it, please tell me!

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
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