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From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Subject: re:  Saddle Road, Hawaii, Hawaii and car rental companies
Originator: lisap@olomana
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:32:27 GMT

Raymond Tamos (rft@cbnewsk!att.com) asks:

>What is it about car rental companies and Saddle Road?  Apparently
>the car rental companies don't want their rental cars on this.  Any
>idea why not?  Does anyone know of a car rental company that will
>let you drive on it?  Is there anything worth seeing on this road?
>What are the elevations on this road?  Are there any steep drop-offs
>along this road? How much traffic can be found on this road weekdays?
>weekends?  I will be going in November, Thanksgiving week, if it matters.
> 
>I have read that Saddle Road is a 60-mile, fully paved road, narrow
>in spots (how narrow?), and pretty much deserted (few cars; no telephones).
>It eventually climbs to about 6000 feet.  Although there doesn't seem to
>be too much to see along the road, there are a few parts of it that sounded
>interesting to me.
 
I'm not sure why car rental companies don't want you to take their cars
on the Saddle Road, but I think it's because the road is dangerous and
remote, and there's not much reason to go up there.  Most people want to
take the road because they think it's a short-cut between Hilo and
Kailua-Kona when in fact it takes longer than around the Hamakua Coast.    

Answers to your other questions:  companies that rent 4WD's let you go
on the Saddle Road (I think there's a clause in their contract that says
you can't take the 4WD on non-paved roads).  Anything worth seeing?  Not
unless you're a geologist.  Elevations are between sea level and 6500 ft.
No steep drop-offs.  Traffic might be 1 car every 2 minutes going each
direction, less than that if early morning.  I think there's 1 telephone
at Mauna Kea State Park, which is at 6500 ft.  

All the times I have been on the Saddle Road (in the '70s and '80s), the
road was all paved, 1 lane about 10 feet wide going each direction, and
no shoulder.  There were 2 things I didn't like about the road.  One was
that most of the vehicles that use the road are large, varying from big
jeeps and pick-ups to flat-bed trailers hauling military equipment (the
army has a training center at 6000 ft.).  And the other was that, since
so many large vehicles used this road, it was always bumpy and in need
of repair.  Usually it was the outer half of each lane that was pot-holey
and patchy, so what a lot of people did was drive down the smooth center.
I vaguely remember some talk a few years ago about paving the whole road,
so maybe it's not so bad now.

I think the car rental companies will let you drive on the portion of
the Saddle Road between Hilo and just above Kaumana Cave.  There are
houses up that far, which is actually only about 5 miles outside Hilo.

Drive carefully and have fun!

Lisa Petersen
lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu
From: IHorton@exua.exeter.ac.uk (Ian Horton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: hiring/buying camping equipment in San Francisco
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:59:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit, Exeter University

My girlfriend and I will be travelling around California (mainly) in
September, and envisage doing some camping (in National Parks and the
like). Our options are to hire or buy camping equipment, and to do it
here in the UK or when we arrive in San Francisco.

Is it worth hiring for a month, or will it be just as cheap to buy?
What sort of prices can we expect to pay for a tent and sleeping
bags (we want to keep costs to a minimum but want equipment that will
do the job and not fall apart after the first few uses, so I guess we
are looking at equipment a level or two above cheap-and-cheerful).

Can anyone recommend (or otherwise) places to hire or buy camping
equipment in SF? Addresses/phone numbers would be great.

Many thanks.

Ian
From: smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Mid-town Manhattan to LGA
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:12:52 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <60520003@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM> bobp@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM
(bob_pownall) writes: 
>
>  I'd like some recommendations on good ways to get from mid-town
>Manhattan to LaGuardia Airport, on a Sunday, in the early afternoon.

(1) Bus from Park Ave. and 42nd Street, SE corner.
(2) Car service, e.g., Tel Aviv, Allstate, Carmel: $14-16, plus toll
(3) Cab, about the same.
(4) Subway (#7) and bus, details on any subway map: $2.50.
From: gcopjjb@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Maldives
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:42:04 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

What is the diving like in the maldives.
From: Alan_York@mindlink.bc.ca (Alan York)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: St. Lucia
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:42:01 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I sent a letter and it bounced back. Is your return address correct? - Alan
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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: Oldest Restaurants in America/World
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:01:54 GMT

>In article <3678@randvax.rand.org> talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy) writes:

>I was having a discussion the other night about the oldest
>restaurants in Los Angeles, and the conclusion was, much to my
>chagrin, that about 75 years in operation was the limit.
>Most of the older establishments here have given way to Strip
>Malls, and other equally cultural advancements.  There is no
>history, in Los Angeles at least, of a restaurant being a family
>concern that continues for generations, in the European moldde.


Hawaii oldest resturant "Wo Fat" in the Chinatown section of Honolulu
claims to be the oldest resturant in Hawaii and is defintely
older than 75 years old (founded last century) and over 100 I believe.

Of course culture is the last thing you expect to find in California :)
-- 

Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
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From: jzh2485@zeus.tamu.edu (HINTON, JOHNNY ZANE)
Subject: Airfares and Stand By
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:03:00 GMT

	I am going to fly for the first time in 15 years and have
	encountered a dilemma.  I wam going to fly from Dallas Tx
	to Albany NY and was told the fare would be $238 (which I
	could afford).  I called back the next day to confirm and
	was told the fare was $410 (which I can't afford).  Okay,
	I remember 15 years ago you could fly stand-by and obtain
	markedly discounted rates if you showed up early.  So can
	one still do this?  If not I guess I won't be visiting my
	friend in NY after all.  TIA.

				John Z  jzh2485@zeus.tamu.edu
				College Station, Texas

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From: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Subject: Re: Shopping in Washington D.C. (Repost - maybe)
Reply-To: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:36:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.064044.2892@athena.mit.edu>, davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug16.190623.20720@julian.uwo.ca> koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops) writes:
|> >I am going to be in Washington D.C. for a few days, and
|> >I'd like to do some shopping.  Are there any good factory shoe outlets?
|> >Are there any unique stores or attractions that are a must-see?  Please send
|> >answers via e-mail.
|> 
|> Union Station has a bunch of nice stores, but it's on the pricey side.
|> 
|> If you have a car, Potomac Mills Mall in Fairfax County (?) in Virginia is a
|> must-see.  It's about an hour south on I-95, I think, but it's a HUGE mall
|> with lots of lower-priced brand-name merchandise.


	I think you'll find Potomac Mills closer than 1 hour.  Probably
more like half an hour (depending on where you are in DC).  Potomac Mills is
huge and it's all one level, so you WALK, and WALK, and WALK, and .....
You can find a lot of stuff, but I've found it packed full of junk stores too.
I try to avoid the place.
From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: CHICAGO
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:49:38 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <5290.91.uupcb@ssr.com> michael.hollihan%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Michael Hollihan):
> A couple of friends and I will be traveling to the Chicago area at the
> end of August leaving on the 28th or 29th.

Good things to see in Chicago:

Museum of Science & Industry (they have an Omnitheatre)
Shedd Aquarium (free on Thursday)
Field Museum (free on Thursday)
Lincoln Park Zoo (free)
Brookfield Zoo (great tropical exhibit)
Skyline Boat Trip (leaves from just outside of the Shedd)
Sears Tower Observation Deck
Woodfield Mall
The Watertower
The Loop (good shopping on Michigan and State streets)
Merchandise Mart

There should be tourist info available somewhere--O'hara Airport has an
information booth with tourist info, or if you are driving, stop at a
rest stop (most have a tourist info center).

You also need to try some pizza while in Chicago.  My favorite is
Pizzaria Uno, but then again, I'm not a native.

-john-

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From: dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Re: San Francisco sightseeing DONT DO!
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:42:55 GMT

unckcb@unc.bitnet (Karen Blansfield) writes:

>In article <1992Aug10.233836.10217@intelhf.hf.intel.com> 
>dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>> 
>> You'ld be wise to skip all of Fishermans Warf -- its a tawdry tourist 
>trap.

>Well, but, come on. It's a circus down there. Yes, it is touristy as you 
>can get, but it IS a circus, especially on summer weekends. I wouldn't 
>plan to spend too much time there, nor to eat there, but it is colorful 
>and lively. And I bought some of the best sourdough bread I've ever had in 
>a bakery down there, the name of which I forget. Don't spend money there, 
>just walk along it, enjoy the sideshows, the views of the Bay, and the 
>liveliness.

Watch them thar attributations! I am NOT the author of the above quote; rather,
I commented on it, asking if anyone else remembers the baby alligators they
used to sell on the wharf. I remember these from about 25-30 years ago and
would like confirmation (my brother insists I'm wrong). I'd also like to
know when they stopped selling them there and why (I suspect legal problems)

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From: 21329JMK@MSU
Subject: Cruise questions
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:59:59 EDT

On a cruise what are the pros and cons on upper vs. lower deck, inside vs.
outside rooms.  Is the difference in $ worth the difference in location?
Also what cruise lines/ships are good and bad?  How does one find discounts?
From: gcopmse@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: <None>
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:49:06 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

indonesia - wanted info. about buying land, business,and obtaining residencey 
within indonesia working permits foreign ownership.
any info appreciated      mike
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From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Sightseeing 
Originator: asanders@sparta
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:18:23 GMT

| ...could you please suggest some definite places to see 
| while in the Bay Area.
			  -Sonia

Some of my favorite places in the Bay Area:

	The California Street cablecar up to Van Ness Avenue
	and back.

	Union Street (west of Van Ness). Actually, there's a 
	very nice little B&B in an alley right off Union Street. 
	Can't recall the name, but it was only $70 a night).

	Golden Gate Park. Beautiful parkland on a grand scale.
	Several museums (including the De Young and Asian Arts).

	Golden Gate Bridge and Marin Headlands. Beautiful views.
	The bayside town of Sausalito is nearby. All of Marin County 
	is beautiful. Sonoma County, too.

	Muir Woods. Giant redwood forest in Marin County about 
	fifteen minutes from Mill Valley (my home town).

	Mount Tamalpais. You can see Mt. Tam looming from almost
	any spot in Marin. It's hard to believe it's only 2800
	feet high. A drive up onto the "mountain" is a very
	worthwhile scenic outing.

	Tennessee Valley Beach. It's a 45 minute walk from the end
	of Tenneessee Valley Road (off Shoreline, in Mill Valley)
	to the black sand and gravel beach. Fairly flat terrain,
	but for serious walkers.

	Napa Valley (or Sonoma Valley) wine tasting. Takes all day,
	and some wineries don't pour their best wines, but it's alot
	of fun anyway. Many liquor stores have free guides. The
	Sonoma outing is apt to be more relaxed and less crowded.

	Carmel-by-the-Sea. Can seem a bit touristy, but underneath
	it's still a fine old California seaside community with one
	of the most beautiful white sand beaches anywhere. About
	two hours south of San Francisco. Once there, Point Lobos
	State Preserve is just a few minutes south on Hwy. 1.

						-Alan

 


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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Use of Visa Cards in Germany and Denmark
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:46:57 GMT

> Just one word on VISA - you can use VISA everywhere in Spain and France,
> including the autoroute toll booths, and certainly in Spain it's hard
> to find a garage, restaurant or hotel that doesn't accept it.....

Well, *I* found one... the place I stayed in Sevilla (Seville) when I was
there for Expo 92 this past May.  "No acceptamos los tarjetas de credita."
And the rate for a double room was over $150 US a night.  I would have been
highly annoyed if I hadn't had to prepay to get the room anyway.

Actually, I was annoyed anyway, because the prepayment turned out to be
at a 65% markup (by the reseller over here).

The Spanish railways (RENFE) also don't take credit cards.  Neither do
the German railways (DB), unless it's changed in the last couple of years.
-- 
Mark Brader		"Europe contains a great many cathedrals, which were
Toronto			 caused by the Middle Ages, which means they are very
utzoo!sq!msb		 old, so you have to take color slide photographs
msb@sq.com		 of them."			-- Dave Barry

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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:55 PDT
Subject: Cheap Hotel in Chicago
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1460300111:000:495
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 19 14:55:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Cheap Hotel in Chicago


I will going to a conference in Chicago. The hotel the conf is
booked in is way tooo expensive for me....any ideas on a cheap,
clean place to stay...doesn't have to be fancy but needs to be
close to public transportation.

Thanks,
Debra


PS: The conference I will be attending is being held at the
Hyatt Regency Chicago on E. Wacker in the Illinois Center
complex, so I am looking for some thing near (?) that locale.
From: wlopez@vitalink.com (Walter Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Caribbean Cruise
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: wlopez@vitalink.com (Walter Lopez)
Organization: Vitalink Communications


I have not been on a cruise but I do highly recommend that you try any one of 
the Sandals Resorts in the Carribean. I could go on forever how wonderful 
these kind of resorts are.

Any other great comments out on the net about Sandals?
From: aspasia@usability.Eng.Sun.COM (Lisa Louise Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ticket from Seattle to San Jose
Date: 17 Aug 1992 23:48:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: usability
Keywords: travel, airline tickets

I'm looking for a good deal on a one-way ticket from Seattle to San
Jose on September 20.

I have an airline ticket for a trip from Seattle to San Jose that
must be used by September 13 (male or female).

I'd be interested in buying, selling, or trading to get the ticket
I need.

Call Lisa @ (415) 336-6741 days
            (415) 369-3974 evenings

or send e-mail

Thanks!
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From: mataylor@tramp.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR MARK A)
Subject: New Zealand/Friends of the Kiwi
Summary: Trying again
Keywords: Travel assistance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:00:50 GMT

	I posted a request about this a couple of weeks ago. But I
	thought I would try just once more. Just in case someone 
	missed it.

	I have heard about a group called the "Friends of the Kiwi",
	or some similar name. They are supposed to help with travel plans
	and discounts when traveling to New Zealand. HAs anybody heard
	of a group like this? I know that there are similar groups that
	help with other countries, sometimes run by a travel agency.

	Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

	Mark Taylor
	mark@groucho.uccs.edu

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From: phil@BofA.COM (Phil Schlesinger)
Subject: Hungary, Slovenia, Czechoslovakia
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 22:46:10 GMT


I'm planning to travel through Hungary, Slovenia and
Czechoslovakia this October. I like to travel economically,
meet people, stay in guest houses, etc.  Does anyone have
any tips?
From: nalin@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Nalin Whatyamacallit)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Advice on Sudan/Kenya?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: nalin@mercury.uregina.ca (Nalin Whatyamacallit)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

>In article <Bsrvyz.HIF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pwebb@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Peter Webb) writes:
>
[Lots of good comments deleted]
>
>I'd be very careful about traveling into Sudan, Somalia and Ethiopia.  That
>region (and now, northern Kenya) is in the middle of a bloody, vicious civil
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>war.  In fact, if I were you, I'd stick to South/Central Kenya (maybe going as
>far north as Samburu) and parts of Africa W. and S. of Kenya (Tanzania, Rwanda,
>Uganda, etc).
>
I was in Samburu twice this last X'mass and went upto Lake Turkana for a
week one of those times ... there were lots of Sudanese refugees around
but there didn't seem to be any trouble for foreigners per se.  People in
vehicles were getting hassled to buy souvenirs etc ... but no big deal eh.
My sister was also at Lake Turkana last month and she too didn't notice have
any difficulties.  I don't recommend hitching out there though.
I've had very good experiences with Savuka Safaris and Gametrackers.
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From: llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: fearful of taking undeveloped film thru X-ray
Keywords: Traveling by plane-
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:19:14 GMT

most personnel at us airports will tell you that if the speed is < 1000 asa,
there's no problem. that might be correct. however, i assume the effect
due to x-rays is cumulative, and hence maybe a couple of x-rays might
start affecting the films.

though i normally use 100 asa, i try to keep exposure to 1 or 2 x-rays.
after that, i just tell them that i've already been thru' a couple of
x-rays and enough is enough! most did not argue. a few had but they have
always sided with me.

lok
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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Wanted: Seattle Hotel Recommendations
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:40:08 GMT

I will be traveling to Seattle Aug 23, staying the night of the 23 and 24.
There will be myself, the wife and the 2 year old daughter. We intend to do
things such as take a ferry ride, see Pike Place Market, the Seattle Center,
etc. Touristy stuff.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a Hotel? We will have a car available
also. 
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: SF accommodations < $100
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:35:51 GMT

owen@ducvax.auburn.edu wrote: 
->I have friends who stay at the Grant Plaza, which is on Grant about 1
->block inside the Chinatown gate.  Parking is at a public garage 2 or 3
->blocks away, and thus inconvenient.  My friends like the Grant Plaza,
->it's a good location, and I think they paid about $55/night last year
->(Labor Day weekend).

why do you think $100/night hotels cost that much?  a hint: most of
them have parking (for a fee, usually) on the premises.  a three block
walk is hardly inconvenient for most people.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: braden@lincoln.diag.stratus.com (John Braden)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hawaiian Condo Info?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:30:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

My wife, her parents, our baby daughter, & I are planning a trip
to Hawaii during November/December this year for about a month.
My wife & I have been to Oahu, Maui, and Kauai, but her parents
have not been to Hawaii before.  We are thinking of renting a condo
for 3-4 weeks on Oahu and maybe a week on Hawaii (the big island).
I talked to someone at Donald Blum's "Waikiki Beach Condominiums",
and received info on the 39 units they have in Waikiki.  On the
plus side, they are in Waikiki where there's an abundance of restaurants,
hotels with shows, and other tourist fare within easy walking distance.
On the minus side, they are in Waikiki with its noise, traffic, and
general commercialism.  Rates are $40-$65/night for a 1-bedroom, fully
equipped.  We'd be looking for two one bedroom units or a two bedroom
with two baths.  Has anyone on the Internet rented from Donald Blum,
especially his units at the 444 Nahua complex?  I'd appreciate any info.
Another place in Waikiki is Foster Tower on Kalakaua.  Any info on that?
It looks like a great location, but how are the rooms, etc.?

Also, does anyone have recommendations about other places which may
have moderately priced condos available, either on Oahu or Hawaii?
Thanks!


        John Braden
        braden@lincoln.diag.stratus.com
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From: Christine
Subject: Re: Biking in Boston?
Organization: MIT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:01:18 GMT

>  I am wondering if I will be able to see the
>sights in Boston if I have not rented a car (how far away is it).  Is
>Burlington small enough that getting around on bike is a viable idea?

Burlington is BORING and the roads are not especially safe for bicycles (many
narrow, winding country roads).  But, there is a brand new bike path between
Burlington and Cambridge, and from Cambridge you can do anything!

A bicycle is a great way to see Boston, as it is relatively small
and flat.

Enjoy!

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