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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: help with immature Arabian
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:22:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	It sounds like she is very afraid of the bit, she may have
a very sensitive mouth.  A rubber bit may help.  What kind of bit
are you using now?  
	Try putting her halter on over the bridle and slowly slipping
the bridle off her.  Also have her teeth checked by a vet or equine
dentist, in many young horses the process of shedding the deciduous (baby) 
teeth is not completed properly, these horses then have signifigant sensitivity
to bits clanking around in the mouth.
	As for spooking, my Arabs are pretty good, quiet thoughtful (except
when they are in heat, but that is more pent-up energy than anything else,
and makes for a fun ride), not very spooky.  Any horse can be turned into
a spooker by simply punishing the horse when they spook.  What I do when
my horses spook is to say, "Ho!" and pull on lead or bit (only as hard as
necessary).  When they stop even for a moment I praise them like crazy and
pet them and tell them how wonderful they are.  This sets up a habit/
reaction in them that if I tell them to stop, no matter how frightened
they are, then everything will be ok and they will be rewarded and praised.
	There are some horses for whom even the above proceedure does
not seem to be reassuring enough, these horses are just naturally hyper
and tend not to think very well, more reactive than thoughtful.  It can
run in some breeding lines, though not always.  And even these horses
can be made better by not punishing them when they spook, however they
will always be more reactive than other horses.  Age is a great calmer
of even these horses, though again some never seem to grow up.  

				Tracy and everybody
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From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Retraining a gated Morgan
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:40:42 GMT
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There is also one strong school of thought on the question of
"who was Justin Morgan's dam?" that holds she was a Narragansett PACER,
a breed common in the northeast at the end of the 18th century.

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From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN)
Subject: horse portrait
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:20:45 GMT


	Ho, ho, ho - I got a portrait done of Belle this fall and I picked
	it up today - it's WONDERFUL!!!! It looks just like her - just her
	head, but she's got that spark in her eye she gets in crispy
        weather. I'm SO excited. I've been prancing around the livingroom
        trying to decide what wall to put it on. (Steve's not too thrilled
        with the livingroom idea but maybe I'll get a motorcycle picture
        to appease him). Ho ho ha ha he he

	Belle and me
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Color question for Tracy
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:51:28 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Can a black mare/stallion both reg. as dk. bay/brown but really black
except for eyes/muzzle/flanks with bay hairs produce a true black offspring?
The filly I have is a result of the above cross.  She is very black with
very little or no noticable bay on her.


Leigh
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:22:21 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Nov18.220945.373@nb.rockwell.com> reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:
>Was this [cross-country schooling I described earlier] at Foxfield?

Yep!  We've been importing Mark Watring twice a week from Foxfield to
our barn at North Middle Ranch in Lakeview Terrace.
 
>I don't have much experience with eventers--and my current horse is a jumper,
>but...I know that my horse doesn't like to hit fences and is naturally careful
>[...]

Well, some horses are naturally careful and some aren't.  Obviously, we
school stadium over colored poles, and the horses all know the difference
between cross-country and stadium (I rather wonder what the DiGrazia's
horses thought of the Foxfield Derby).  The horse in question hit the
fence more than once, and she's a reasonably athletic critter.  Since
the telephone poles aren't in cups, I'm not sure it takes THAT much to
roll one off, though it certainly should be somewhat more daunting
than a show jump!  And, she was probably heavily booted for 
protection.  

With a horse that isn't highly sensitive to rubs, I guess I just feel
safer thinking that they know the difference between a solid fence 
and a knockdown fence.  But maybe that's just an illusion.

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hoof Care Products
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:30:44 GMT
	<1992Nov10.170646.18707@nb.rockwell.com>
	<BxKDw4.7K0@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us's message of 11 Nov 92 18:26:26 GMT

In article <1dmn9vINN7up@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
> I'd like to start a new discussion about hoof care products.  Here in
> Houston, our soil has lots of clay, which means that either the horses
> are swimming in mud or that their feet are bone dry.

This is exactly the soil/hoof problem that we face in the coastal
mountains of the San Francisco Bay Area.  I don't claim to have found
the magic formula (and would be happy to hear what others do), but
here's my current "recipe".  Once a week, I thoroughly clean off the
hoof walls on our Fjords and apply a layer of Tuff Stuff (recommended
by the two best farriers that I've used, to seal up the nail holes and
the partially-rasped portions of the hoof wall), then I apply
Hoofmaker in the 3/4" band between the hairline and where the Tuff
Stuff stops.  On one of the Fjords, I thoroughly clean the underside
of the hooves and apply a layer of Corona (again, recommended by the
current farrier).  Two of the Fjords get Bio-Meth (a biotin
supplement, also farrier-recommended) in their feed, twice-daily.  The
old mare also gets a handful of alfalfa hay in each feeding (all are
fed grass hay, with little grain---they're very easy keepers), to
encourage hoof growth.  All 3 have fairly sturdy hooves, but with a
tendency to chip if their hooves get too dry during the summer, or to
pull shoes if they get too moist during mud season.

The donkey, by contrast, gets no supplements and only a quick
application of Hoofmaker to most of her hoof wall, and has the best
hooves of the lot (she has never been shod, and rarely chips, but then
she is not ridden).  One might argue that doing less is better.  Or,
one might argue that a desert-evolved equine like a donkey has
different hooves, therefore different hoof needs, than a
tundra-evolved equine like a Norwegian Fjord.  My trainer finds that
she has to use different hoof care on her Arab, vs her Anglo-Arab, vs
her TB-Welsh, vs her POA-Welsh.

The discouraging thing about hoof care products (especially dietary
supplements) is that it takes so long to figure out what is working.
For instance, my vet offered the opinion that the biotin I was giving
my old mare was a waste of money.  However, if I stopped using it, it
would be nearly a year before the newly-grown hoof wall (sans biotin)
made it down to the ground for "testing".  Then, if I decided that the
vet was wrong about this horse needing biotin, it would take me a
second year of feeding biotin again to get back to where I am right
now.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:29:55 GMT

>These "horsey dinner theaters" sound great! Someday I'm going to have to
>take a trip to Southern CA where they have them! ;-) I hear there is also
  Hey (or should that be hay!) don't forget the Medeival Times in NJ. Just
on the border of NY/NJ within sight of the Giants stadium.  This show didn't 
have the 'drunken' horse but everything else was there. To be honest I had NO
idea I was watching such fancy Spanish equitation!  I thought I was just having
a good time and yelling encouragement to my knight (he lost).  The swordfighting
WAS very good. You could see sparks flying from their weapons.  The
choreography was a little too apparent but necessary I guess, for safety's
sake. (The Princess Bride did it better, but they probably took more than
one take :-)
 

>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!
>
>>Kay & Horseless Crew
>
>Diane & Spring & Dancer

I want to put in a bid for The Island Stallion :-) I always preferred that
series.  

I wonder when the movie is coming out...


--
Rudy Vener uucp: att!mtqua!rudy  internet: rudy@mtqua.att.com
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dutch Warmblood Pintos
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:33:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I was skimming thru a magazine today (a breeding issue) and
came across a breed of horse I have never seen before...
 a Dutch Warmblood Tobiano Pinto.  He's absolutely gorgeous!
His name is DOMINO and he is black with white pinto markings.
I was just wondering if anyone knows about these Dutch
Warmblood/Pinto crosses.  Are they very common?
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Western Saddle Questions...
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:42:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com's message of 21 Nov 92 23:20:39 GMT

In article <24131@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:

   I have Santa Claus convinced that I need a saddle for Christmas!  I've been
   taking lessons for almost a year now and plan to start leasing this summer
   (when the car is paid for).  I am trying to accumulate tack bit by bit (no
   pun intended) since I eventually intend to own my own horse.  Hopefully
   this will lessen the financial shock to my husband (a.k.a. Santa).

   Anne.

I am of the opinion that it is a BAD idea to "get the cart before the
horse"---or in this case, the saddle.  A saddle is the interface
between you and the horse's back, and it has to fit both of you.
Would you go buy a pair of hiking boots, then look for a boyfriend who
didn't complain too much about wearing those boots?  I think not.  Put
your saddle money into the bank, then after you have a horse, go buy a
saddle that fits the horse.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Horsey Dinner Theater (and question)
Keywords: Andalusians knights
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:46:58 GMT

jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy) writes:
>Lastly, a question.  Although there was a lot of "dressage" work,
>it seemed more showy than precise, as I said.  I have seen this before
>in circuses and other horse exhibitions.  My question is about the
>headgear - all the horses in the show seemed to wear a curb bit
>with a medium shank, fairly severe.  I would expect this for the "gaming"
>type actions of the knights, but was surprised to see it on the
>riding exhibitors, especially the horse in training in tandem.  The
>trainer could really haul this horse into sidepasses and backing
>with that bit.  Question (at last): is this bit a part of Spanish
>training of Andalusians, or is this more just this particular
>trainer's method for producing the horses needed for the show?

       Period bits tend to be severe by modern standards.
Some tapestries show curbs with shanks a foot long!  Several of us used to
do medieval costumed riding in the SCA, and usually used a full bridle
with a mild snaffle and a curb when riding Percherons in crowds.
The curb was strictly for emergencies; all the real work was done on the
snaffle.  Overuse of the curb usually results in an upset and hard to
control horse, unless you're riding some brute with a ruined mouth.
Are you sure the Medieval Times folk are really riding on the curb?

       You don't need a severe bit to back or sidepass.  A snaffle is
sufficient.  I back and side-pass a large quarter horse a few times a
week using an egg-butt snaffle and a light rein.  I'm not qualified to 
speak on airs above the ground, but Podjasky certainly didn't advocate 
severe bits.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6820230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 9 Pigeon Toed Sweetness
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:47:20 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I was just wondering if anyone else had a horse that had been pigeon toed.
>We knew she was when we got her and she vet checked fine and the vet also
>said this would not cause her to lame up or have problems with her legs.
>Thanks.

>Jean, Missi (daughter), and Strawberry Pai (our sweetness horse)

I have a 23-yr-old quarter horse (Honey) who is pigeon-toed.  She's retired
from team roping but still does a lot of fairly steep trail riding and some
team penning.  She's never had any soundness problems.  My farrier does,
however, some care in her shoes and angles -- not to try to correct the
the pigeon toe, but to ensure that she lands flat when she steps.  He also
leaves about an 1/8" of shoe on the outside edge to lend additional support
and bevels the exposed edge to prevent her from catching on the exposed
portion.

I guess the bottom line is that, from personal experience, I wouldn't expect
pigeon toes to equate to lameness or soundness problems.

-- Heidi and Honey
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey Dinner Theatres
From: jlkershner@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kersh!)
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:09:19 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I had the privledge of working with the fellows at Medieval Times.  They were 
an important element of the 1991 Citrus Bowl Half Time Show.  They were 
wonderful people with absolutely beautiful horses.  They did bring their 
stallions along.  I must admit those stallions were the most laid back animals 
I have ever seen.  One of them had streamers in their face flapping around, but 
he just carried on in his duty.  One thing that surprised me the most was the 
fact that the stallions were the only horses NOT drugged.  I guess in something 
like this that was broadcasted IN FULL (I'm kinda proud about that!) the TV 
people didn't want a horsie flipping out.  

> Medieval Times down there is muchlike the earlier description. I must
> admit I was a bit upset when I noticed that the swords were easily
> bent! But, I suppose that's for safety purposes!! 

In the half time show, there was a sword fight "to win the hand of the 
beautiful princess."  I got to see the swords up close and personal.  They are 
not cheap nor flimsey.  On of the knights told us the swords cost $750 each.  
Anyway, during the "fight" at half time, on of the knights struck suck a hard 
blow against the other's sword that he sliced it in two!  He actually cut the 
top foot and a half off!  (Just for the record, this was NOT planned.)

Well, I do recommend going to Medieval Times if you are in Florida.  It is a 
lot of fun, good food, and wonderful entertainment.

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Jen Kershner				|   "There are two kinds of horses in	
					|    the world, Quarter Horses and
JLKERSHNER@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU	|    other horses."
					|               -- annon
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--Jen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: horse doesn't like to be groomed
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:48:48 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


	Hi, y'all.  I'm a novice rider who pays for his lessons by
working around the stables.  One of the things I do is groom and tack
up.  There's this horse, Dollar, who doesn't like to be groomed.  When 
I try to brush or curry him, he lays his ears back and tosses his head
and his skin moves like there's flies on him.  I've tried all different
curries and brushes, too.  I can usually get one side of him done 
before he decides he's had enough and starts running away.

	I'm not the only one who has trouble with this horse.  He
apparently doesn't like to be handled at all.  I've been told just don't
bother with Dollar and someone else will see to him, but I've decided
to make this my Personal Challenge :-) so my question is:

	What could I do to get this horse to trust me enough to
groom him, or make the experience more tolerable to him?  I've tried
bribing him with carrots...
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Storing leather tack
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:28:18 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1ebe5nINN2vn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to properly store unused
>tack

I have an article from Practical Horseman at home that gives several
options.  I'll try to find it.  What I did was to clean with glycerine
saddle soap and then coat everything with vaseline, wrap in newspaper
(so it can breathe) and store in a trunk in a relatively dry location
(which in Houston means inside my air conditioned house).

-Sarah Pallas
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: dressage lesson costs
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:17:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	In this area prices for dressage lessons range from $15/hour
to $30/hour with clinicians who travel to Tucson from Phoenix giving 
lessons at $20/ 1/2 hour and $35/45 min.  Some dressage teachers will
come out to where your horse is stabled, the one I am using does that
she charges $18/ 45 min. lesson and doesn't charge for travel as long
as there is more than one student in the area with and she can schedule
them consecutively.  There are a few people who very occassionally 
come here to clinic and charge more, $60/hour, however they have a great
deal of trouble filling clinic slots.  The best people to learn from 
in this area do not charge the most, cost seems more based on what kind of
expenses the teacher has.

				Tracy and everybody
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Jumping Mules
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:11:15 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


I don't know if anyone is interested, but I have a neighbor who has some
riding mules for sale.  I don't know any of the particulars but the price
is some where around $400 or $500 and the mules are trained to jump and
have been used in hunting.  If anyone is interested, I'll get more details.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: helen@sco.COM (Helen Dilworth)
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:56:08 GMT


In article <1eeq8dINNh9q@gap.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
>
>Well, some horses are naturally careful and some aren't.  Obviously, we
>school stadium over colored poles, and the horses all know the difference
>between cross-country and stadium (I rather wonder what the DiGrazia's
>horses thought of the Foxfield Derby).  
>...Stuff deleted...
>

I don't remember what Bea's horse did at the Foxfield Derby, but Derek won
it a couple of years ago.  I don't remember whether it was on Fieldmaster or
Our Busby, but that horse obviously didn't have any trouble figuring out that
those fences were not solid.

Helen Dilworth
Trilogy Farm
Swedish Warmbloods
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:30:37 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

>I see very very few boys riding in lessons.  There's a question, why
>do the lower levels of competition and pleasure ownership seem to
>be female dominated, yet the Grand Prix levels are even or even male-
>dominated?  What's the theory behind this?
>

According to Ian Millar in his book about Big Ben (I think that's
where I read it), his theory is that most young girls are horse 
crazy and are willing to spend all their free time riding and such, 
until they become teen-agers, then they find more exciting things 
(like boys!!) and aren't as motivated to spend the time needed to 
become top riders.  Whereas there are fewer young boys who are 
interested in horses, but those boys seem to have the dedication to 
continue riding when they become teen-agers.  He goes on to say that 
for a lot of young girls, riding is a social, peer-oriented thing, 
and that once a few girls drop out, the others follow, since most of 
them are only doing it because "every one else does".  Since it's not the
"in" thing for young boys to do, most of the ones riding are
seriously committed to riding.

Makes sense to me!!  Anyone one else ever heard this "theory"??

Marian Dabay
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:33:45 GMT
Organization: CSIRO ITS

In article <1dp9s2INNi4f@rave.larc.nasa.gov> patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:

>In article <92315.44929.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>The question was asked:
>>
>>>Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
>>>racing?
>>
>>No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
>>animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
>>cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
>>horses for themselves.
>>
>>In other word, for my part, no thank you.
>
> ditto
>

This is my vote, for what it's worth.

I would NOT like to see a racing element added to rec.equestrian newsgroup.
I read this newsgroup because it's full of people who seem to like,
respect, and care for horses. I don't wish to read about people who
wantto flog them to death for money. This is NOT a flame, just my
opinion.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: grega@hpwala.wal.hp.com (Greg Anderson)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:09:21 GMT
Subject: Riding lessons in NE Mass
Organization: The Village
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Reply-To: grega@hpwala.wal.hp.com (Greg Anderson)
UUCP-Path: hpwala!grega

Greetings,

I am looking for any recommendations for good riding lessons for a
beginner.  Since I have no horse, I would need to go to a stable, preferably
one which is no more than an hour's drive from Newburyport, Mass.  Hence,
I could go somewhere on the north shore of Mass or in southern New
Hampshire.

Any help would be most appreciated.  Thanks,
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