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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Gretzky talks of March return
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes.
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GRETZKY TALKS OF MARCH RETURN
-----------------------------
by Lisa Dillman, Times Staff Writer.  LA Times, November 19, 1992

Kings: Nothing is certain, but center says his rehabilitation has progressed
more rapidly that expected.

* Wayne Gretzky's outlook regarding the prognosis of his injured back is so
positive that he is telling people he might start skating in 12 weeks and might
return to the Kings' lineup in March.

"I have ventured into new waters [in rehabilitation], and we'll see how I 
react," Gretzky told the Toronto Sun on Wednesday.  "There's a light at the end
of the tunnel now.  Two weeks ago, it wasn't there.  The last week has been a
big step for me."

Gretzky, sidelined indefinitley because of a herniated thoracic disk, became
optimistic when his second magnetic resonance imaging test showed major improve-
ment.  Rehabilitaion has increased to 2 1/2 hours a day.  He is stretching and
has been riding a stationary bike for 15 to 20 minutes.

The inflammation in his back is being reduced, along with the pain.  Gretzky was
unavailable for comment, but King owner Bruce McNall sounded a cautionary note
on Wednesday night.

"This is what he's hoping for,"  McNall said.  "It's much improved, so there's a
good sense he might be back.  But it's so subject to change.  He'd be totally
guessing about a timetable.  If he continues to progress, if everything feels
good, it's a safe bet he may play again.  That's a  long way away."

Gretzky said his return is not certain.  "This is all based on the assumption
that I stay the way I am," he told the Toronto Glob and Mail.  "Four weeks from
now, when I get into a healthier condition, I could get the pain back, and then
there's no choice:  they'll have to operate."

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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:37:05 GMT
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Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1992Nov20.005507.2912@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <8800740.26.722189248@clement.info.umoncton.ca>, 8800740@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARCO RUEST) writes:
>> 	I've heard on the news that if Ottawa draft Alexandre Daigle, that 
>> there is going to be an other Lindros Case.  He will refuse to play for 
>> Ottawa.  Is it just a supposition?  I don't know.
>
>He has publicly stated that he will play for any team that drafts him. Money
>may be a concern, but he will not refuse a team if they can pay him what he
>wants. Unlike Lindros.
>
>								Alan

	So it is wrong to turn down playing in a city where you think you would
be unhappy, to play somewhere else for less money???  And it is ok
to say "Sure I'll play for you but not until you pay me what I want."?????

	Regardless of why Lindros actually did not what to play in Quebec, he
took a pay cut to play elsewhere.  Sure, he is still making 3 million this
year, and this doesn't seem to be a real loss to him but it is a pretty
big pay cut over what Quebec was offering considering that 1 million of
that is due to a signing bonus that more or less equals what baseball
and basketball 1st picks get.  

	A lot of you out there say, as I do myself, that they would die for the
chance to play for any team, regardless of money.  But you don't have that
choice.  Could you honestly see a die-hard Ranger fan playing for 
the Bruins or Flyers?  I am a Flyers fan and I don't think I would
want to play for the Rangers or Islanders or the Pens.  I would however
play for Quebec if they wanted me :)  

	Anyway, I think it is worse to play somewhere just for money
rather than because you want to play there.  In fact, I bet if Lindros
had played for Quebec and didn't want to be he would not be putting
up the numbers he has so far.

	If Sellane (sp?) and Lindros keep up their scoring paces I think
the Rookie of the Year will be VERY close.  I don't count Juneau
because the only time I ever hear his name is on this net.  Almost
never on ESPN, SC, and definitely not the Rochester local news.

Oh well, that's all for now,

Kev
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:18:11 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh is ahead of Buffalo

Why?  Pittsburgh is ahead of Buffalo.  The Penguins are ahead of the Sabres,
this isn't an accurate title for football but it is for hockey!
                                                                -Rob
 "Just pointing out some facts."
From: jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: la kings - DEFENSE
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:19:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.3q9euB4w165w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

With Zhitnik, Blake, Thompson, and the improving-but-not-there-yet Sydor,
I think the Kings have a chance at a pretty good defense in two years or 
so. Right now, though, I wouldnt give them a ham sandwich for Coffey, and 
maybe only a Big Mac for Chychrun. McSorley and Huddy Id rate as average.

- Jeff Marold. A kings fan since '67 whose seen to many prior seasons 
like this current one.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:44:58 -0500 
From: James Santo <js0z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cover UP

> 
>Rape? What young girl or women who is picked up by visiting player
>on the road is expecting to go up to players hotel room and not
>have sex. The players didn't invite them because of their personality
>and girls didn't hang around them to talk hockey or baseball or
>whatever. THEY WERE ALL THERE FOR SEX!!!! any women who thought
>different shouldn't be out after dark. Calous but true, going up
>to players room means playing by his rules, your going up thier
>"first" for what he wants, not her wishes.
> 
>P.S. if Mario's name didn't come up no-one would care.

Although your comments disturbed me, they are true.  Women cannot
continue to be so naive. I know that these girls either don't think or
don't of the consequences, but there is just too much at stake.  My
disappointment lies with the players.  Players must realize that they
are royalty in they eyes of many.  And, that they should act
appropriately, not only for the sake of their fans,their sport, their
family, but also and more importantly for the sake of themselves.  They
must understand the full impact they have on the public as public
figures and as roles models for so many people, specifically for kids
-and that everything they do and say is magnified and distorted ten
fold, so they must be extra careful.  However, that might mean that they
can't truley be themselves.  In addition, the restaint upon their
characters must take a great toll on them and make them want to scream
and get wild -as I'm sure many do; that comes with the territory -as I
sure they know. 

I'm a big Mario Lemieux fan; I respect him a grat deal as a player.  I
truely hope that the incident doesn't hurt his career nor his
relationship with his family and especially with his fiancee.  I'm sure
that he is more than aware that Mario"Smith" is noboby of great
importance, but "Mario Lemieux", "Le Magnifique" will always be a target
for controversy and sought after by women who want more than his
autograph.

Adieu tout le monde!   
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Lindros again
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:30:20 GMT


Someone in a previous post mentioned that it would be a mistake for Ottawa
to trade Daigle if he turned out to be a star like Lemieux.
I almost totally agree with that.

But they also said that it would be agreat move if he turned out to be a
bust like Lindros.
'squeeze me?  Baking powder?
A bust like Lindros?
He's got 15 goals and 12 assists in 19 games!
That's more than Messier and MANY other 'stars'!
Yzerman and Hull haven't played as well as Eric (well, point-wise, anyway).
He's also been the leader of that team.  Recchi has helped his point total,
but check out the way he's been taking control of games by smashing his
opponents.  What a checker he is!

Don't forget he's only 19!
I hardly call this a bust.

BTW, does anyone have Mario's stats for his first year?

--Dave
From: lehe@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Hedenstr|m)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Finland-Sweden, Nov 13-14, Junior teams (18-year-old players)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:43:17 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto) writes:
: Finland, Junior Teams (players are 18 years old or younger):
: 
: Thu Nov 12, Kalajoki:   FINLAND - SWEDEN  4-3  (2-1, 1-0, 1-2)
: Fri Nov 13, Haukipudas: FINLAND - SWEDEN  4-2  (1-1, 1-0, 2-1)
: Sat Nov 14, Kauhava:    FINLAND - SWEDEN  2-5  (0-2, 2-1, 0-2)
: 
: =======================================================================
: <some stuff deleted>
: Saturday, November 14, KAUHAVA, Finland:
: 
: Finland - Sweden  2-5   (0-2, 2-1, 0-2)
: 
:   4.52  0-1  Max Wikman (Fredrik Lindh - Nicklas Rahm) 
:   7.18  0-2  Jens Ohling 
	       ^^^^^^^^^^^
VAD {R DETTA ? [r det p} v{g upp en ny "Jens \hling" eller vadd} ?!

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From: madigan@bmtlh178.BNR.CA (Lenny Madigan)
Subject: Re: Cover UP
Reply-To: madigan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:43:28 GMT

In article <sf2uVeu00UhWM1gV9t@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Santo
<js0z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>> 
|>>Rape? What young girl or women who is picked up by visiting player
|>>on the road is expecting to go up to players hotel room and not
|>>have sex. The players didn't invite them because of their personality
|>>and girls didn't hang around them to talk hockey or baseball or
|>>whatever. THEY WERE ALL THERE FOR SEX!!!! any women who thought
|>>different shouldn't be out after dark. Calous but true, going up
|>>to players room means playing by his rules, your going up thier
|>>"first" for what he wants, not her wishes.
|>> 
|>>P.S. if Mario's name didn't come up no-one would care.
|>
|>Although your comments disturb me....   
                                     
This is starting to diverge from hockey, but:

(1) Mario's fiancee might get over this but there are only 320000 more
road trips and hotel stays left in his career - she probably will never 
worry about him screwing around.  I'm sure he's learned his lesson and
tamed his libido. 

(2) Have you ever been in a situation, I can think of several when
I was a kid, where you
started doing something, typically as a prank and then you went a bit
further, things kind of got out
of control and then you were caught and you were in shit and you were
getting hell from your parents and you were saying to yourself "yeah,
I know, I know what an idiot... looking back it seems I was blind, stupid,
o.k. o.k. ...shut up"

Well 16-19 year old groupies awestruck by big Mario in a bar I think yes
might get caught up in the same kind of "I didn't know -- in my state of
drunkeness/awestruckeness-- that it would go that far -- the invitation
was for 'a drink' and I didn't want to say no and my friend wanted to
go..." 

I think it is plausible that one followed the other, possibly with different
intentions, that they went there without thinking of what was
"obvious" and could have been raped.



lm
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Minnesota-Tampa Bay Summary
Summary: North Stars 4, Lightning 1
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:57:59 GMT

                       North Stars 4, Lightning 1
        At Tampa, Fla., Jon Casey stopped 38 shots and Mike McPhee notched
three assists for the North Stars, who have won two in a row and three of
their last four. Four different players scored for Minnesota.  Tampa Bay
has dropped three straight following a six-game unbeaten streak. 

Minnesota                        3 1 0--4
Tampa Bay                        0 0 1--1
        First period--1, Minnesota, Craig 7 (Modano, McPhee), 0:13. 2,
Minnesota, Duchesne 7 (Courtnall, Broten), 1:06. 3, Minnesota, B. Smith 2
(Tinordi, McPhee), pp, 7:32. Penalties--Churla, Min, 2:36; Ludwig, Min,
2:48; Andersson, Tam, 5:47; Churla, Min, major-game misconduct (checking
from behind), 11:57. 
        Second period--4, Minnesota, Broten 3 (McPhee), 4:50.
Penalties--Hamrlik, Tam, 10:54; B.Smith, Min, 14:02. 
        Third period--5, Tampa Bay, Bradley 13 (unassisted), 12:09.
Penalties--Hatcher, Min, 3:57; Courtnall, Min, 16:14. 
        Shots on goal--Minnesota 16-13-6--35. Tampa Bay 11-14-14--39. 
        Goaltenders--Minnesota, Casey. Tampa Bay, Jablonski, Young (4:50,
2nd per.). A-- 9,278. 
        Referee--Paul Stewart. 

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Subject: Re: Brett Hull's brother(s)
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:20:27 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1285@fozzy.UUCP>, twollnik@aud.alcatel.com writes:
> Mike Zanier of the Dallas Freeze played behind Grant Fuhr while Edmonton was winning
> all of those stanley cups.

True, but WAY behind Fuhr. As in third or fourth-stringer. Andy Moog and then
Bill Ranford were the backups during the Cup years.

								Alan
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Minnesota-Washington Summary
Summary: North Stars 5, Capitals 4
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:46:09 GMT

                       North Stars 5, Capitals 4
        At Landover, Md., Russ Courtnall scored with 12 seconds left in
Minnesota's three-goal third period. Washington's Reggie Savage became
just the third player in NHL history to score his first NHL goal on a
penalty shot. Ralph Bowman of the 1934 St. Louis Eagles and Ilkka Sinisalo
of the 1981 Philadelphia Flyers are the others. 
       
Minnesota                        0 2 3-- 5
Washington                       3 1 0-- 4
        First period--1, Washington, MacDermid 5 (Konowalchuk, Krygier),
1:23. 2, Washington, Iafrate 1 (Savage, Miller), 5:00. 3, Washington, D
Hunter 4 (Hatcher, Jones), pp, 9:47. 
        Penalties--Jones, Was, 5:55; Ludwig, Min, 9:26; Anderson, Was,
12:37; Krygier, Was, 14:49; Krygier, Was, 18:19; Matvichuk, Min, 18:19;
MacDermid, Was, 18:19. 
        Second period--4, Minnesota, McPhee 2 (Courtnall, Modano), 14:05.
5, Minnesota, Hatcher 2 (Courtnall, Tinordi), 16:05. 6, Washington, Savage
1, ps, 17:30. 
        Penalties--Craig, Min, 5:23; Johnson, Min, major (fighting), 7:56;
DHunter, Was, major (fighting), 7:56; Hatcher, Min, 11:47; WAS Bench
15:30; Craig, Min, 15:38; Hatcher, Min, 18:39. 
        Third period--7, Minnesota, McPhee 3 (Churla, Modano), 13:54. 8,
Minnesota, Churla 3 (Broten, Tinordi), 14:41. 9, Minnesota, Courtnall 7
(Gagner), 19:47. 
        Penalties--Courtnall, Min, 2:47; MacDermid, Was, 4:40. 
        Shots on goal--Minnesota 16-8-10--34. Washington 10-7-5--22. 
        Power-play conversions--Minnesota 6-0. Washington 6-2. 
        Goaltenders--Minnesota, Casey. Washington, Beaupre. 
        A--13,828. 
        Referee--Stewart. 

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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens weekend summary
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:57:05 GMT

Oops! Forgot all about this.  So this is going to be a quickie. (No Dan Quinn
jokes, please.)  For complete box score information, please see my earlier
post.

Tom Barrasso had a tremendous weekend, stopping 61 of the 62 shots he faced 
against the NJ Devils.  The Pens won the Friday night game in NJ 4-1, and
then returned to the Civic Arena on Saturday and defeated the Devils 2-0.
The Pens are undefeated at home this season (8-0-2).  

Shawn McEachern and Rick Tocchet shined for the Pens on Friday, picking up
2 goals apiece.  Lemieux had 3 assists on Friday and one assist on Saturday.
Lemieux has 56 points (23 goals, 33 assists) in 22 games.
Jagr scored the first short handed goal of his career on Saturday, and his 
5 game winner of the year.  He now leads the league in game winning goals.

Friday's game was a well paced, well played game.  Saturday's game started
out slowly, thanks to whistle happy Don Koharski.  He called a penalty if
a player breathed.  He wasn't as quick with the whistle in periods 2 and 3.

Craig Billington played on Friday, and didn't play badly.  Chris Terreri played
Saturday, and kept the Devils in the game.  He played a great game.  I love
goaltending battles, and a good one developed on Saturday night.  Both goalies
were on their game.  The 2 goals scored on Terreri were tough to stop.  One
was a rebound from a 2 man break, the other the puck was knocked out of mid
air.  But he made some spectacular saves, as did Tom Barrasso.  It was really
something to see.

Lori
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Subject: Re: MacInnis suffers injury
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:14:53 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov13.175928.1049@mala.bc.ca>, epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.152600.2891@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>> Flames goaltender Mike Vernon after the game blamed poor ice conditions for 
>> MacInnis's injury. He said that the whole league should have to take a lesson
>> in how to make quality ice from the people at Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton.
>> 
> Today's Vancouver Province said that the flames are sending a tape to
> the league for possible disciplinary etc. - Apparently MacInnis may
> have been tripped by an opponent (sorry, I forget who).

Last night on the sports, I saw the original game tape from Hartford for the 
first time, showing the incident. Patrick Poulin clearly hit MacInnis hard
enough to cause him to fall. That's checking from behind, and Poulin should
be suspended for that.

								Alan
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Kings vs. Sharks 11/17
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:02:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


Although I hate to say this about my favorite team, the Kings were
seriously clobbered by the Sharks the other night.  With their 
speed, sharp passing, and incredible goaltending, the Sharks 
stayed one step ahead of the slow and sluggish Kings throughout
the entire game.  Irbe made Hrudey look like a novice with some
phenomenal saves to keep the Kings from scoring.

I do not know what it is about the Kings on the road that seems to
slow them down so much -- however, they better get over these
"travelin' blues" if they hope to stay on top of the Smythe Division 
for the remainder of the season.

The Kings, for as long as I can remember, have had trouble winning
"away" games.  I would be interested to know if other teams have
the same problem and/or which teams consistently have good records
"on the road".



Kristina
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!!


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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:11:33 GMT

nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) writes:

>In article <92Nov17.104208est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>>
>>What's next?? Are you going to call me a "homo"??? 
>>

>No... How about "breeder" Only true idiots make assumptions about others
>sexual orientation.

Greg, sorry about this, but by calling me a "breeder"
it seems you are making an assumption about my sexual
orientation.

By your own admission then, are _you_ a true idiot???

:-) :-)

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)

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From: hillig@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Hilli Gibson)
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:02:51 GMT

>> rapes (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
>> rape case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
>> that because he's been a pervert all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
>> this. :-))
>
>Alleged gang rapes? From some reports there was no one else in the room. Who
>else has been charged? Some reports imply the police may not have enough
>evidence to even charge Quinn. How can we be assuming there was anyone else
>involved when we don't know if Quinn even did anything wrong?


Those who help someone create a situation that makes him possible
to rape  a girl (intentionally and unintentionally) are still guilty. Although 
we can not charge them as a rapper. This is what the bible says too.
If they know what they should  do but they don't is sin.

It's obvious that there is something wrong when they split from 4 pairs to
2 pairs then later with 1 pair.

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