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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:19:21 GMT

In article <C0I6yo.892@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.065023.27104@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU
>(Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <Jan.6.19.37.42.1993.2105@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
>giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:
>>>   I am in desparate need of someone to talk to
>>>does anyone have any ideas
>>Here are some suggestions.
>>(1) 1-800 numbers (crisis hotline, for example)
>>(2) priest
>>(3) friends
>>#1 is the most anonymous, if you are looking for that.  (I left out
>>"psychologists, on purpose.)
>It depends what you mean by anonymous.  1-800 numbers automatically
>receive a list of all numbers that called them with their bill.
><Just color me paranoid.  But the above *is* true.  (Or close to it)>

Then dial from a public phone.

Priests, by their conviction, guarantee anonymity, and society
still, to a large extent, believes that discussions between a person
and his priest or doctor are private confidential matters.

That's why they are rank #2 above.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: I have nothing left. Clarification and continuation.
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:50:22 GMT

In <1993Jan6.210440.13335@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <C0B5n6.CCp@panix.com>, rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>>In <C08y74.93F@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>>
>>To anyone who got the idea that the two people in question went
>>"together" as in dating, sorry.  I didn't mean to give that
>>impression.  Is is _definitely_ not true.

>How do you know that?  Maybe they are considering dating but feel

I know.  They aren't.  He dislikes her, in fact.  Believe me.  This is
one thing I can be sure about.

>uncomfortable telling you because they both know that you want her.

She doesn't seem to be uncomfortable about hurting me in this area.
I've discussed this here before.

>Did you call them up and invite them anywhere for NYE?  If yes, they
>probably lied about their plans.  If no, you should next time -- it might
>change the outcome.

I seriously doubt there will be a next time.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tjones@orville.psu.edu (Thomas Jones)
Subject: Re: if it's Tuesday it must be Halabja
Organization: The Leaking Spinal Fluid Co.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:58:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.003337.19692@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>In article <C0rJz8.C8J@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>>What the hell did this have to do with ash?
>	I asked the same thing (via email)...
>	...maybe its relevant if you think suicidals like to vacation
>	in potential war zones...

which brings up the philosophical question:  is it really suicide if you get
some other person(s) to kill you?

i would tend to think the truely suicidal would go for an approach that had a
higher probability of death than of maiming.
-- 
Thomas H Jones II                             "Hmm... that wasn't at all what I
      aka.	                                            expected." --me
	thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson)
Subject: *HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*...
Summary: that's a good one. 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos   
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:01:47 GMT

	I was just making some small talk with one of my neighbors...
after asking me twice (not in a row) whether I had stayed in the dorms
over break -- and taking the answer with disbelief -- this young woman
asked "I don't mean to be rude -- but don't you have a home?"

	I nearly burst into peels of hysterical laughter.  

	Grinning ear to ear (and trying not to laugh) I quickly explained
that 'no, I'm an independant student. I was living off campus but I broke
up with the person I was living with -- which meant I had to move.'  I've
wandered back to my room to chuckle quitely to myself... the total
disbelief that a undergrad doesn't have a 'home' outside the dorms that
registered on her face and in her voice will amuse me for the next few
days.  I forget the shock value my life has on the conservative majority
around here... 

	Little moments like that make my day... Being a pocket of abnormality
can be quite fun -- esp. when I ambush the naive 'normal' ones (the ones
fitting the outward stereotype of college students) without even realizing
it.

	Ah... made it through another day... and got to shock two
people with what I consider mundane, everyday aspects of my life... 

	The other shocked one was an aquantaince (here at UD -- but
we talk via our accounts)... he's slowly realizing that I wasn't/am not 
kidding about my name (P.K.) fitting me. I may not be as experienced
socially as many, but I've got a leg up on most in the bizarre dept.
(at least here in Normalcy Hell -- U of Del.)  And I don't even have 
to try....  =)
	
	I suppose the massive dinner I had has something to do with my
uplifted mood... that and my 'talk'ing for a few hours...  now I'll never
get to sleep (and I have an 8am class now).  

	Ah well... I'll sleep when I'm dead.  (Warren Zevon)

		Psycho Kitten
		(waiting eagerly for a phone call later today...)

 
	

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:17:07 GMT

megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>>Anyone who knows the answer to yer question is Enlightened (tm).  Tread
>>cautiously around such critters.

>Either that or Illuminated(tm)(r)(c)(etc) tread even lighter around these
>types...                              ^^including (K) and (U)? ["kosher" marks]
                                                                     ;-?

I don't know that being political (social) animals precludes being nasty to each
other.  And, really, how nasty *could* people be if they avoided each other  
except during mating season...when their minds are on other things? Hmmm. I 
suppose one could booby-trap the vine and apple trees.....

euclid
    


--
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standard disclaimers apply
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
                                     ----Charles Dickens
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: Christmas comes but once a year
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:24:27 GMT

zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

|Ok I'm sorry your sis did it and I see your point, but the fact is you're 
|saying "don't suicide, it would hurt us" when it's "us" who cause the person 
|to want to suicide - instead of saying "don't do it" it might be more useful 
|if you stopped driving us to the point where we want to.  You admitted 
|yourself that your sis said many times she'd do it and you ignored her.

I can't stand that,  I have let out my feelings occasionally when I am
angry and everyone just sorta ignores me and it just makes me want  to
do  it  more...   I got very close to it one night...  But things went
wrong...  I got too pissed to know what I was doing... so I didn't get
to do it...  Things then looked up, I've been down  a  few  times  and
felt like doing it...   I can't stand people who say  how  selfish  it
is... I dont think it is selfish when people can't cope...  especially
when they dont take u seriously when u mention it...

|2 days after xmas.....is always a bad time.  I came pretty close again this 
|year.

Never came close to doing it around a festive time...  Hmm.. basically
my  worst  times  would  be earlier this year...  heaps of hassels and
things going on...  Things have settled  down  now  tho...  and  I  am
feeling  alot  better  with  myself....   It seems since I gave up all
religious stuff I have been better...

-- 
Jared Quinn
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3:622/401.0@fidonet.org          | Naughty,  Naughty,  Very Naughty!    \___/ 
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LITTLE RICHARD
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Anyone else found this yet?
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:14:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

R.P. Bentall

'A proposal to classify happiness as a psychiatric disorder"

Journal of Medical Ethics, v18, 1992, pp 94-98

Its what inter-library loans is for!
 
Have a miserable day.

Andy
:(
From: crimson@omar.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: just a simple cry for help
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:56:54 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
NNTP-Posting-Host: omar.wpi.edu

szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:
>Prozac (or fluoxetine) is part of a new class of antidepressants.  A
>couple of years ago it was the "new wonder drug for depression".
>Neurochemically it blocks the reuptake of serotonin, and this action
>is thought to produce the antidepressant effect.  Truth is...the


I had no idea prozac was a partial serotonin inhibitor...is it realted
to LSD-25 in any additional way?

joe, the curious guy who sez "I'm a thorazine man myself!"

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: if it's Tuesday it must be Halabja
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:33:37 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos

In article <C0rJz8.C8J@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>
>What the hell did this have to do with ash?
>
>-- 
>(   Richard Powers   )   I am more than this...
>( rpowers@panix.com  )

	I asked the same thing (via email)...
	...maybe its relevant if you think suicidals like to vacation
	in potential war zones...

	Echo W. Who

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:33:27 GMT

	...just the sound of me tossing things about as I look for
		my motivation...

	...which is quite silly, since I lost it years ago...

	...I could never make my life's balance sheet climb          
		into the black...
			out of the red...

	...the nightmares only worsen with time...
		driving any good from my waking hours...

	...holding on for the few moments when I can bring         
		glimmers of joy into others lives...
			for they have no place in mine...

	
		Psycho Kitten

	   
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: shit! lost it!
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:37:23 GMT

Oooooooog.  First i thought i'd never be back, then i find myself in a
strange room with even stranger people keeping me company, and now i'm
here wondering how to get from point A to point B without taking a short-
cut...
this will have to do for now.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!
 
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
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From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.angst
Subject: Re: I'm not paid for this commercial (was: Anyone else found this yet?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:12:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

(The Wolf Friend) writes:
>(Euclid K.) writes:
>
>>No, haven't found it, but i discovered a good comic book at the union bookstore.
>>It's "Depression is Fun", by Nina Paley.  Laughed my head off over it, and then
>>had to put the book down and blindly feel around on the floor for my head.
>>Found it eventually.  8 b
>
>I'd also like to recommend "Hepcats" by Martin Wagner.  It's a serious
>graphic novel (currently on issue 10 of 18) which deals with adult/mature
>topics such as suicide.  Since it's an on-going story it's best to
>start at issue #1 if possible; the artist/author has all back issues
>available (upon request).  It can be tough to find in some comic stores
>because some are too afraid to carry it.

Also good in this category is "Gregory" and its sequel book "Gregory II
(Starring Hermin Vermin)", two squarebound collections from DC/Piranha Press.
Gregory is this little psychotic kid who has a vocabulary consisting of
"ub zub," "AAAAAH!" and "I Gregory!" who lives straitjacketed in a dusty old
cell in an insane asylum...

It's really great stuff, actually.  And Hermin Vermin, a rat who keeps getting
killed and reincarnated as himself, is a REAL bucket o'angst (there's a great
story in the second book where HV confronts God (or vice versa) about this
whole reincarnation thing...)

Highly recommended (and no, I'm not related to or employed by anyone involved).

prufrock (toj8j@fermi.clas.virginia.edu)
From: hagop@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Hagop D. Janoyan)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Request: Methods file. Mail me a copy?
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:06:07 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <C0GAn8.HD@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>In <9021@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> hagop@edison.seas.ucla.edu (Hagop D. Janoyan) writes:
>
>>You can also get a copy of "Final Exit."  Any bookstore will have it,
>>now that it is in paperback.  IIt has very useful, detailed
>>information on how you can kill yourself using various drugs.  Of
>>course, it was meant for euthenasia for the terminally ill, but it
>>still is a good book for any suicidal.
>
>Is this the one by Dr. Kavorkian (sp?) "The Suicide Doctor"?

Nope..."Final Exit" is written by some other guy, although Dr. Kevorkian
is mentioned several times throught the text.         

But has Dr. Kevorkian written any such books?  

Now that we have a book for euthanasia, isn't about time to have a "how-to"
book for average suicidals?  I think there are plenty of people who simply
don't want to go on living, even though they are perfectly healthy and have
been leading a rich, happy lifestyle.  Something like the "methods" list we
have here, but in more detail and available to the general public in paperback.

By the way, I just picked up this new book from the library.  It's called
"Reynolds Suicide Note", by Curtis Reynolds (although I think that's his
pseudonym).  This person wrote a series of essays about a month before
his suicide.  The essays are mainly arguments to support his decision.
Very interesting to read.  



-- 
Hagop Janoyan
hagop@seas.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:32:21 GMT
 <1993Jan7.065023.27104@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C0I6yo.892@panix.com> <1ij05nINNk9@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
[Calls can be traced nearly instantly and police, ambulances, and others 
know who's calling when they pick up the phone.]

True.  You cannot assume a call to a hotline is protected; make it from a 
pay phone if you care.  Specifically, 15 years ago when I was doing research
on this (and when call tracing wasn't so easy), it was part of the SOP for
some SPCs to contact the police if certain criteria were met; there was no
guarantee of confidentiality.  I got this from the horses' mouths -- their
training materials.  A lot can change in 15 years, but it's even easier for
them to send the police to your door now than it was then, and I don't know
how many of them will do it.  (On the flip side, I've talked to people who've
worked crisis lines and had the person die on the other end while they were
talking; presumably they couldn't call the police.)

Also, doctors do not have to keep a confidence; if they did, it would be
a lot more difficult to commit people.  Some doctors are slime and will 
tell you information is confidential when it isn't; I would expect that
for liability reasons most university counselling centers violate any
confidences in place if they think you're suicidal (or if you tell them).
CMU's does, or did when I was a student.  I got that from the dean
of student affairs at the time.

Monica
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>
>I don't know that being political (social) animals precludes being nasty to each

No,no,no,no,no! Being political (social) animals ENHANCES being nasty to each
other. Where's the fun in being nasty to yourself?
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:42:24 GMT

In <1993Jan7.065023.27104@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <Jan.6.19.37.42.1993.2105@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:

>>   I am in desparate need of someone to talk to
>>does anyone have any ideas

>Here are some suggestions.

>(1) 1-800 numbers (crisis hotline, for example)
>(2) priest
>(3) friends

>#1 is the most anonymous, if you are looking for that.  (I left out
>"psychologists, on purpose.)

It depends what you mean by anonymous.  1-800 numbers automatically
receive a list of all numbers that called them with their bill.

<Just color me paranoid.  But the above *is* true.  (Or close to it)>
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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:46:50 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

In article <C0GDov.2x1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes:
>Anyone who knows the answer to yer question is Enlightened (tm).  Tread
>cautiously around such critters.

Either that or Illuminated(tm)(r)(c)(etc) tread even lighter around these
types...

Seriously, I think the problem is that we as a species are so varied. I will
gladly put my life on hold to help someone. While at the same time the next
guy would stomp all over the person in need. (Like say run a talk for a few 
hours and delay my trip back to WPI... ;-)  )

Until we overcome human greed this will continue. You can either become as 
cold as everyone else, or say fuckit, do the best you can, and take the lumps.

I've tried both ways, I just can't be that cold.

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From: tjones@orville.psu.edu (Thomas Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: odd...
Summary: making people understand?
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:24:11 GMT
Organization: The Leaking Spinal Fluid Co.


had a somewhat odd, i  guess, conversation the past two days.
you see, i just got a new apartment mate.  apparently, she had met one of my
other roommates and i had been described as somewhat offbeat.  (go figure.)
any way, i guess she was curious as to what made me that way.  worst part was,
i couldnt really tell her.  it seems that whatever it is that makes me odd at
my more offbeat times is hard for me to quantify or to put in just so many
words.  some of youve probably run into this when pressed to "explain
yourself."  
was an odd conversation also in that it ran the gamut from mental problems,
family relations, musical tastes and the "why's" of all of them.
how do you explain to someone what its like to be in a fucked up state when
your current refference point is not really in that state?  how do you relate
something like that when theyve not be more than to the "everyone gets sad"
state?
oh well, just wondering i suppose.

-- 
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      aka.	                                            expected." --me
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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.vox,alt.suicide.holiday,rec.arts.poems,alt.personals
Subject: Yearning - c&c
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:36:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsidian.wpi.edu

Yearning

Unlimited possibilities,
Virtual pleasures,
Thoughts unbound,
Vivid dreams,
Stimulating,
Mind, body, 
And soul

All are cast aside,
For the reality,
Of a single,
Touch

-megazone, sunrise, crazy diamond, and good ale, 1/2/93
From: crimson@omar.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help and taping conversations
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:46:46 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
NNTP-Posting-Host: omar.wpi.edu

harrison@cs.ubc.ca (James Harrison) writes:
>
>But if were really worried about big brother would we be posting here?

[shrug] ...it happens to be the most ephemeral medium where you are all but
guarenteed an audience...radio is nice, but too many hoops to jump thru..

joe, speaking to the aether in the "sewer of alt"[tm]...


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