HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: The Death Car and the Real Story
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:47:12 GMT

I hate to put a damper on all this lucid dreaming & out-of-body experience
talk, but I strongly recommend that those of you who have had these 
experiences to either see a sleep specialist or look up in the medical
literature the various sleep disorders, especially nacrolepsy(sp?). Some
of them can be quite dangerous if not treated. Those of you who did indead
have an out of body experience - it sounds like a lot of fun, enjoy!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: Ann.Feeney@launchpad.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Re: A Hufford experience.
Keywords: Old Hag
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.064727.13601@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy) writes:
>
>   I used to suffer from this problem chronically while I was growing up. My
>father, who is an anesthesiologist incidentally, explains it as a very
>common effect caused by basically being conscious while your body is still
>engaged by that chemical that keeps you from acting out your dreams...
>Basically it surpresses your voluntary motor controls (Hence the paralysis
>and the feeling of suffocation... people on ventillators have the same
>feeling,)... absolutely nothing to worry about really, though the terror it
>causes is real and quite harrowing. I sometimes used to have this horrible
>feeling that something was coming through the door while I was paralyzed,
>and that I wouldn't even be able to see what it was... this, I believe, is
>purely out of the normal instinctive human response to that kind of
>helplessness. 
>                                                     -Prabal Nandy


Is a lack of this chemical then responsible for sleep-walking, etc?  It
would make sense--too much and you can't move, too little and you have
some movement?

Ann F.
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From: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re:Hans Holzer/Colin Wilson
Reply-To: s13989bc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:49:33 GMT

 Could I please have some information on Colin Wilson? Not to put a damper on the "death car" debate, but a close personal friend had a car start and reverse
over his foot even though the keys were not in the ignition. The car was a
used one that he got an amazing deal on.
From: lhales@ptdcs2.intel.com (Loyde Hales ~)
Subject: Re: THE WHITE WITCH OF BLACK DIAMOND
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:42:48 GMT

In article <92318.121533PBONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> PBONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>and "THE GAS ROOM" with its skull and crossbones painted in red.  I've been
>>inside the gas room with a candle and the candle went out, I couldn't smell
>>anything, yet the gas is there.


In article <1992Nov15.172308.8312@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com
(Kelly Shuldberg) responds:

>My father-in-law was a hard-rock miner, and from the stories he used to
>tell, it's not the presence of some evil gas, but the lack of a necessary
>one, namely oxygen.  That's why your candle went out.  He said that miners
>used to carry canaries in small cages into the mines, and if they expired,
>the miners knew that they had to get the hell out of there or asphyxsiate I
>don't know about your ghost, but if she exists, she sould be blue from
>cyanosis, not white.


Certainly lack of Oxygen can be a problem in mines, but the major reason for
carrying birds into the mines was to detect 'natural gas', the same compound
many of you use to heat your water/house.  This gass is impossible to detect
by human senses and is common in some mines, espectially coal mines.  For many
years it caused more deaths than the cave-in.

As for the ghost -- blue??  Nah, never happen.  :-)



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith)
Subject: Types of ghosts
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:52:50 GMT


Re our discussion of the reasons ghosts are, here is a story I read in a copy
of the [Detroit, Michigan] EVENING NEWS printed in the spring of 1883:

"THE VAMPIRE DELUSION.--Mental aberrations can become epidemic, and the
vampire delusion seems to be as contagious as the witchcraft insanity. ... In
1859 an Austrian notary of Klausenburg recorded the testimony of 48 deponents
of various nationalities, who attested the post-mortem appearance of one Fedor
Radotzek, a brevet captain of the military frontier guards.  About two years
after the funeral ... the neighbors attended a birthday party at the home of
his widow, and towards evening some of them were standing in the open porch,
talking to one of his sons, when they saw the old man himself come round the
corner and enter the garden gate.  A few minutes after the garden was crowded
with a mass meeting of citizens, in a pardonable state of excitement, for the
twilight was still clear enough to remove all doubts about the identity of the
visitor.  He had taken a seat on the garden bench, making himself at home, as
if nothing had happened; but, on being taken to task for the eccentricity of
his conduct, he had the good sense to die on the spot, and met his fate like a
well-behaved corpse, when a couple of priests took him in charge and hustled
him off the premises ..."

The story is quoted as coming from "Popular Science Monthly" but no further
citation is given.

Catherine Arnott Smith
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly)
Subject: Re: The Death Car and the Real Story
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:16:13 GMT

>lls@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lori Smallwood) writes:

>>I think it has happened to me -- I would wake up, know I was awake, yet
>>barely be able to open my eyes.  I wouldn't be able to move at all.  It's a
>>very disconcerting feeling.  I always attributed it to not being fully
>>awake -- like my brain hasn't re-connected itself to my muscles or
>>something.  

>>-- Lori 

     I have had it also..... all of the above, plus I recall heightened
senses- I could hear my mother and her friend talking, though they were
downstairs and on the other side of the house.  Also had a ringing in my
ears.  Happened twice when i was about 13-14.  I remember being terrified
because i couldn't move, and I couldn't yell for help.  Both times it
hapaned in the afternoon, during a nap.  Then I would black out and
wake up later, felling fine, but freaked out.  Years later a friend told
me that it was an out of body experieince, and i should relax and try to
relax and enjoy the situation, rather than try to fight it, as i did.
Has not happened since......

Ted
From: thankyou@work.berkeley.edu (you're welcome)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: ghost-bride
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:33:31 GMT
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Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 13:44:21 PST
From: <PBONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Types of ghosts

In article <1992Nov23.205250.28631@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith) says:
>
>Re our discussion of the reasons ghosts are, here is a story I read in a copy
>of the [Detroit, Michigan] EVENING NEWS printed in the spring of 1883:
>     * text edited for brevity *
>About two years after the funeral...
>the neighbors attended a birthday party at the home of
>his widow, and towards evening some of them were standing in the open porch,
>talking to one of his sons, when they saw the old man himself come round the
>corner and enter the garden gate.
>He had taken a seat on the garden bench, making himself at home, as
>if nothing had happened; but, on being taken to task for the eccentricity of
>his conduct, he had the good sense to die on the spot, and met his fate like a
>well-behaved corpse, when a couple of priests took him in charge and hustled
>him off the premises ..."
>
>Catherine Arnott Smith

I saw this in a movie once called "Weekend at Bernie's".  The deal was
Bernie was dead and these two guys pretended he was alive so they could
use his beach home for the weekend.  I must confess the 1883 prank
sounds like the orignal.  I think the priests were in on it.

========================================================================
"If Mr. Bong says he saw a ghost, he saw a ghost."
                               All Dave All Night
"Actually, Dave, I said 'I think I know a ghost.'"
                               Patrick Bong
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Nz Ufo Reports In Mainstream Press, 1989?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:50:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
 > Date: 17 Nov 92 07:34:14 GMT
 > Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.
 > Message-ID: <R8JcuB2w165w@status.gen.nz>
 > Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,alt.alien.visitors

 >  I am still not convinced there is more UFO activity in Blenheim
 >  or Marlborough than elsewhere. The refernce to Cathey's book is
 >  a red herring IMHO.

 >  Now were you to talk about Longburn and the their experiments
 >  (in the 60's) I would agree with you as would many locals.

Can you give me some specifics on Cathey?  Also, what are you referring to in your last paragraph?

Thanks,

Mike

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From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Subject: Re: Dolphin-Aliens?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:13:06 GMT

In article <69712@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

|>   This is me (John Winston) talking now. That would be all well and good but 
|> some people wouldn't believe anything Uri Geller says.
|> John Winston.

And you saying it is supposed to make it more probable, John?

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Races?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:21:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct15.200618.12196@risky.ecs.umass.edu>
  <TOM.92Oct20184316@kether.webo.dg.com> <82578@ut-emx.uucp>

Dear Just Wondering: Already this sounds like an Ann Landers article 
out of the paper. Your question is a very difficult one to answer. Once 
I was talking to the grand nephew of John Hopkins who had the name of
John Hopkins also. He was a millionair and lived in Berkeley, Calif.
in a mansion.  He used his home as a place to hold meetings for people 
who believed in UFOs. While I was talking to him he made the statement
that Mr. Winston if you plan to understand the UFO  phenomena you will
have to learn that you have lived before and who you have been before.
Since that time I believe I have learned who I have been before and I 
think I understand the UFO phenomena to some degree. The answer to your
question is that we have been on other planets before. We volunteer to 
come here to develope ourselves. The people on other planets know that
we lived before with them.  They come here to watch our developement
and sometime help out when it is needed.
John Winston.
From: Kal
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:43:34 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:49:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

>> |> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars observer will
>> |> verify that and the existence of other artifacts.
>> Well, that's really silly.  Why would anyone in their right mind carve faces
>> in the side of a mountain??

>We do. Why not them ? (If it is them, and i'm not saying it is!)

Mt. Rushmore (and Crazy Horse) are insignificant in size compared to the
Mars Structure.  In fact, this thing would only be observable from the
air, probably (since it *does* seem to be looking outward).  Reminds me
of those Indian art things in NEw Mexico (or wherever).  Of course, its
more likely that the thing is just a natural artifact.

keith
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis)
Subject: JW
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:37:53 +0000

I suggest we have a whip round so that we can hire someone to pay a visit
to Mr J Winston.

On their arrival their duty would be to shove the largest object in the
vicinity down his THROAT!

JOHN - YOU'RE DOING OUR HEADS IN, AND WE WISH YOU WERE DEAD.

fis@evil.demon.co.uk
From: thumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Mojica)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Aliens. Part1,2,3 I posted them
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:44:50 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: North Carolina State University

Well I posted the articles but I d/l them from a local bbs.

-Chris

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From: kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants... IN BED!
Date: 15 Nov 1992 19:48:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Originator: magney@scratchy

In article <1e58smINNfvc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>  
rab@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Richard Alan Brown) writes:
> I'm still not convinced the sucker isnt a poorly programmed AI project.
> 
I think he's a human being that's just having us on.

>                  Those people in sci.skeptic are mighty polite to him  
(why
> *is* that), but there's one thing you can say for him, he's reliable.
> 
I don't know about anyone else in sci.skeptic, but I personally feel he's
doing no harm. 

> I can thoroughly recommend reading some of his posts, it's like watching  
a
> chimp masturbating at a zoo, you feel somehow repelled, yet fascinated.
> 
Doesn't repel me, really.  It's just interesting seeing the sort of thing
human beings will claim to believe.  (I still think he's having us on.)

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras auras everywhere
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:36:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69038@cup.portal.com> <69070@cup.portal.com> <69322@cup.portal.com>
  <69465@cup.portal.com>

Dear One and All: I wonder if Boney Collen has gone over the ocean.
I hope someone will bring her back to me.
John Winston.
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: JW
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:21:37 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <3576@evil.demon.co.uk>, fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis) writes:
> I suggest we have a whip round so that we can hire someone to pay a visit
> to Mr J Winston.
> 
> On their arrival their duty would be to shove the largest object in the
> vicinity down his THROAT!
> 
> JOHN - YOU'RE DOING OUR HEADS IN, AND WE WISH YOU WERE DEAD.
> 
> fis@evil.demon.co.uk

It should be pointed out here as a public service announcement that
'fis' is a prick of astounding proportions and I'm not given to
hyperbole.

For those who have been fortunate enough to avoid him so far his
normal topics of discussion include his hero worship of Adolph Hitler,
Satan and unmitigated hatred for anyone and everyone else. Sexual
fantasys concerning chickens tend to rate highly on his agenda as well.

Sometimes known as njones (Neil Jones) which might actually be his
real name...

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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Whitely Strieber
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

To: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com

    I read a letter from Whitley Strieber (author of "Communion" and
    "Transformation") a while back mentioning that he was fed-up with
    the entire UFO community. Can anyone please explain (or post) the
    details of what happened?

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From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants... IN BED!
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:16:41 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

James Kibo Parry (kibo@world.std.com) wrote:

: Barangus!  Mondo bazoomo!  Wox wox wox oggle grebbly nad bork bork bock
: fnord egrep roff gnogin fsck zowie, ecky-THUMP!
: 
i
ecky-thump? You mean that Yorkshire folk came from the stars? I suppose
Alien3 could compound this strange theory.

(Cue Glen A. Larson ripoff)

"By eck, folks reckon that thy ancestors came from t'stars, and even reight
naw theer's yorkshire folk art theer feightin 'genst even sut'hners fur
theer very black pudden & ferrets. Out theer in t'galaxy..."

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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:02:03 GMT

In article <2B0D1511.7AFC@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) :
>>It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8
>>command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody
>>to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.'  Even
>>though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a
>>hidden meaning in those words."
>
>Oh, that's just priceless.  Really!

Ha!  That's wonderful!  Do you know if it's documented anywhere?  I'd
love to get a copy of it.


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: The Phobos II Incident
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:58:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.174353.16030@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
>has richard hoagland actually been making these more-than-usually
>bizarre claims? the only thing of his that I have read is 'monuments
>of mars' which is (taken all in all) fairly restrained. 
>
>does anyone know his compu$erve address? I have heard rumors and second
>hand reports attributing all sorts of wierdness and conspiracy theories
>to him. it might be worth while to ask him about all of this stuff.
>

He does believe that there is a good chance that NASA is covering something
up.  He also believes that the "face" is tied into the crop-circles
over in England.  

I finally broke down and bought the book just to read first hand what 
he's saying.  I'm not very far into it, but he seems to shift between
semi-accurate science reporting and almost psychotic ramblings.

I on the other hand think that the "face" is pile of dirt.  Hopefully
the Mars Observer will be able to catch a frame or two of the same
area.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: corbisier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Our Friend, John_-_Winston
Reply-To: corbisier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:41:10 GMT

John,

I realize that you're getting flamed by what seems to be a vast
majority of people posting to this BBS.  I do not intend to do 
the same, although I _do_ think that some of your postings are
irrelevant to the subject of a.a.v.  If you would be so kind, would
you mind posting answers to any or all of the following questions:

1.  Where do you get your information?  

2.  How do you think things like "invisible fish" relate to the subject
    of U.F.O.'s?

3.  What kind of a job do you have where you have _time_ all day to copy
    all this information to post?

Please realize that this is not intended to make fun of you.  These are
questions that I truly wonder about, and I'm sure I can't be the only one.

Thank you,
Barb
From: Donald.Pattee@iphase.infoserv.com (Donald Pattee)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.infoserv.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Auras
Date: 20 Nov 92  21:21:18 EST


 -> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:44:27 PST

 -> Dear Aura Watchers: I once interviewed a lady astronaut and she said that
 -> she could see the life force around a cell under the microscope and when
 -> the cell was dead the life force was not visible. She also said she 
 -> could see the life force of this earth when she was in orbit.
 -> John Winston.
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I have the strange earry feeling that one might not be able to see the life force of the earth in the not-so-far-off future...
Donald R.X>Pattee
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