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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Defamitory statement
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:13:09 GMT

In <9208111603.AA14116@netcom.netcom.com> jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch) writes:

>In article <23410@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon) sed
>to stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) at 10 Aug 92 14:30:21 GMT:
> 
>>>>>>>>> Kwote:
> 
>You bleeding idiot,
> 
>Unkwote. <<<<<<<<<
> 
> 
>Looks like you are the defamor in the cited message.

Nope.  He's not.  Bad manners, yes.  Defamation, no.

> 
>My understanding (disclaimer: jimlynch@netcom.com <----- lawyer? NOT!) of
>defamation is that damage is caused if you make the defamitory statements
>in front of others.

Well, I'm not a lawyer, either, but I think you have to demonstrate
harm and it has to be more specific that someone telling you you're an
idiot. 

> 
>While the internet et al doesn't have the distribution of national
>television, there ARE others listening here.
> 
>If the above quote is defamitory, you are guilty of defamation.

It's not, so he isn't.  For it to be defamation, he would have to
accuse you of some crime, call into question your competence at what
you do for a living, etc.  As defamation, "bleeding idiot" just
doesn't quite cut it.

> 
>Before you ask me to retract this statement, allow me to point out
>that the logic upon which it is based will remain after any such
>retraction.

You seem to think that someone would CARE about your incorrect
opinion. 


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,alt.bbs.allsysop,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too?
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:31:16 GMT


Its all well and good to voice an opinion over the value of bbs access, i.e.
information access, but comparing it to food or other necessities of
biological life places it in a dangerous context.  This same context is used
now as a matter of course to justify the wholesale violation of the
individual rights our government was chartered to secure.
By what right does one take by force from those who have *earned* in order
to provide products and/or services to those who have not?
Maybe the product is something as basic as food, but while it is a shame
that some people don't have enough, by what right do you take, by force,
to provide for them?  I too value information (among many other things), and
could not do my job well without it (thus damaging my earnings potential).
As a result, I value information, and access to it, and so I will pay for it.
That is a decision based on Reason, and I expect to be permitted to gain
from making good decisions (as I expect to be permitted to suffer for my
bad ones).

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: EFF ftp site?
Summary: looking for name of EFF ftp site
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:18:09 GMT

Sorry to add noise to this group, but could someone
send me (or post) the name of the ftp site where old
EFF newsletters and other articles is kept?  I had it,
then I lost it.

Thanks in advance,
Kathryn Henniss
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From: drw@kronecker.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Last Straw
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:13:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: kronecke.DRW.92Aug14111313
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug11.205034.25599@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mrogers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Rogers) writes:
   Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc,alt.activism

   Hey! Guess What I Found Out?

   Remember what I said about business fascism?

   Guess what both the Stouffer and the Red Lion Hotel have been doing
   for a long time now?

   Give up?

This message is a real hoot!  I read it to the bottom, and I still
have absolutely no idea what Mark Rogers is pissed about.

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
And on the other hand: fingers!		-- Kathy Chamberlain
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: farbrent!ajr3@ms.uky.edu
Subject: List of Sources for Public Access to the Net
Originator: daemon@eff.org
Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:33:57 GMT


Such a list already exists, it is called the NixPub list. It is  
available in both a short and long format. The June 1992 list  
contained information on 125 such systems worldwide.

From the June 1992 List:

=====================================================================
The nixpub listings are kept as current as possible.  However, you  
use this
data at your own risk and cost -- all standard disclaimers apply!!!
Any additions, deletions, or corrections should be sent to  
phil@BTS.COM.
------
      Lists are available via any of the following:
            o  anonymous uucp from jabber.
                    +1 215 348 9727 [Telebit access]
                    login: nuucp  NO PWD   [no rmail permitted]
                this list: /usr/spool/uucppublic/nixpub
               short list: /usr/spool/uucppublic/nixpub.short
            o  "*NIX Depot" BBS on jabber.
            o  USENET, regular posts to:
                    comp.misc
                    alt.bbs
            o  the nixpub electronic mailing list.
                    to be included or deleted from this distribution, 

                    send mail to nixpub-list-request@BTS.COM.
	    o  anonymous ftp from GVL.Unisys.COM [128.126.220.104]
                    under ~/pub/nixpub/{long,short}
            o  archive server from cs.widener.edu.
	            mail to archive-server@cs.widener.edu
	            Subject: or body of
		            send nixpub long
	             or
		            send nixpub short
	             or
		            send nixpub long short
	             or even
		            index nixpub

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Hey EFF: howbout creating...
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:15:43 GMT

Jim> == Jim Lynch <jimlynch@netcom.com> 

 Jim> ...a new mailing list for those who want to discuss copyright and USENET?

 Jim> Reason: EFF encompasses more than the net.

comp.org.eff.talk, and by extension the eff-talk gateway, are an
unmoderated forum, and as such tend to have these long, drawn-out,
marginally related discussions every so often.

(Hey, you think you've got it bad, I'm seeing other, unattached chunks
of this discussion in news.admin, misc.legal.computing, and elsewhere...)
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: zstewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart)
Subject: Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:54:02 GMT


Greg makes the point that houses, among other things, have been seized due
to unpaid income taxes, and since some portion of taxes go to feed needy 
people, therefore our government feeds the needy by forcibly extracting
from the less needy.  Of course, a portion goes to building weapons whose
so called collateral effects include killing many thousands of kids, so one
could as well say they sieze houses by force in order to kill babies.  But
looking deeper, all contract law between private parties ultimately relies
on invoking government force to enforce the terms (otherwise the other
party can just thumb their nose at the wronged party), so all public and
private legal contracts likewise rely on the government's armed force.  
Thus any use of private contracts is a use of violent force.  All of these
lines of reasoning are worth less than the phosphor on which they are
written.  Taxes are theft if private contract enforcement is theft; 
tautologies do not enlighten us.

I hope that discussion of public schools can be on a more informed level
than this. / ~z~

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.misc,alt.bbs.allsysop,comp.bbs.misc,du.misc
From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too?
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:56:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.130432.18020@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:
>In what way do "we" (our government) now secure food for all citizens
>*by* *force* ?  Or shelter?  I've never seen the government seize someone's
>house for the purpose of letting a homeless person move it

No, but houses *have* been siezed, and citizens jailed, due to failure
to pay income taxes.  Income taxes are monies extracted from us by
force. Since at least some of this money is used for welfare and food
stamp programs, it is indeed true that the government secures food for
some of those who don't have it, by force.

>Regardless of the quality
>of our school system, I think the idea of free access to education a
>fantastic idea.

Whether it is worth the price of forcing everybody to pay for it
is another issue...

--Greg
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: tk0jut1@mp.cs.niu.edu (jim thomas)
Subject: Re: Gore Bill
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.233017.12210@newssun.med.miami.edu> danzig@umbio.med.miami.edu (Jared Danziger) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any material (not contained in the Gore bill itself)
>on how the proposed implanmentation of pilot schools with network access
>will be carried out.  Particularly the criteria, (if any), for selecting
>high schools.  (I am a high school student myself and this is of great
>concern to me :) )

You can find considerable documentation related to NREN at 
nsf's anonymous ftp site: stis.nsf.gov -- type  cd /nren and then  ls for
list of files
From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: EFF Receives Dvorak/Zoom Award
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk
Originator: rita@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:56:55 GMT


+=========+=================================================+==============+
|  F.Y.I. |Newsnote from the Electronic Frontier Foundation |August 19,1992|
+=========+=================================================+==============+
    EFF AWARDED DVORAK/ZOOM AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS
                     AT ONE BBSCON IN DENVER

  On August 13, the Electronic Frontier Foundation was the recipient of
  one of twelve Dvorak/Zoom Telecommunications Awards. The Dvorak/Zoom
  awards are to be given annually in order to recognize individuals and
  organizations that have made a difference to telecommunications and
  the BBS conferencing industry.

  The awards were given for the first time at a presentation ceremony
  during One BBSCON in Denver. The EFF was cited for "helping to keep
  telecommunications safe from the potential perils of out-of-control
  legal departments and over zealous law enforcement agencies."  The
  award also noted that the EFF has become "an extremely important
  advocacy group for online telecommunications users."

  Also honored in the awards ceremony were:
      The WELL
      Channel 1 BBS
      Tom Jennings of Fidonet
      Chuck Forsberg for Zmodem
      John Friel III for Qmodem
      Phil Katz for PKZip
      Ward Christensen for Xmodem
      Ward Christensen and Randy Seuss for BBS 1
      Tom Smith for Procomm for Windows
      Marshall Dudley for Doorway
      The Rockwell Design Team for First Single Package
          V.32N.32bis Chipset

  A more detailed report on the activities of ONE BBSCON will be the 
  subject of a forthcoming edition of EFFector Online.

+=====+===================================================+=============+
| EFF |155 Second Street, Cambridge MA 02141 (617)864-0665| eff@eff.org |
+=====+===================================================+=============+


-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | 
155 Second Street                | "Stop me before I post again."
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | 
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: EFF Seeks Intern for Washington Office
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:52:36 GMT
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: rita@eff.org



JOB OPPORTUNITY


The Electronic Frontier Foundation seeks applications for a permanent, full-
time position as an administrative staff assistant in its Washington, D.C., 
office to begin immediately.


RESPONSIBILITIES/QUALIFICATIONS


  * Daily monitoring of multiple publications using Lexis/Nexis as well as 
    other on-line services.


  * General research support for four professional staff members.


  * Responsible for maintaining the EFF's clip files.


  * Tracking Congressional legislation.


  * Fufillment of information requests over the telephone and by regular 
    and electronic mail.


  * General clerical duties including, but not limited to, answering 
    telephones, photocopying, data entry, etc.


Candidates familiar with Macintosh computers and related applications and 
related online systems, will be given preference.  Experience with/knowledge 
of the legislative branch, computers and computer communications is 
valuable.


SALARY	

       $17,500 annually with vacation and benefits package.


CONTACT
       Sarah Simpson
       Electronic Frontier Foundation
       666 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE
       Suite 303
       Washington, DC  20003
       (202) 544-9237
       fax (202) 547-5481
       Internet:   ssimpson@eff.org


The EFF is a public interest organization established in 1990 by pioneer 
developers of computer software and hardware and members of the 
computer networking community.


The EFF was founded on a shared conviction that a new public interest 
advocacy organization was needed to educate the public about the democratic 
potential of new computer and communications technologies and to work to 
develop and implement public policies to maximize freedom, 
competitiveness, and civil liberties in the electronic social environments 
being created by new computer and communications technologies.  Our 
primary mission is to insure that the new electronic highways emerging from 
the convergence of telephone, cable, broadcast, and other communications 
technologies enhance First and Fourth Amendment rights, encourage new 
entrepreneurial activity, and are open and accessible to all segments 
of society.


The Electronic Frontier Foundation Is an Equal Opportunity Employer.



-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | 
155 Second Street                | "Stop me before I post again."
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 |
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Re: Volunteerism
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:47:41 EDT

woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
>In article <FAIGIN.92Aug5124820@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>> I truly think the "art" type changes to ACM are cosmetic. Is there a problem
>> with the articles.
>What-so-ever is wrong with plain covers?  If you read it for the
>information content, then surely the "artistic" work on the covers is
>a complete an total waste of effort!

An artistic cover is not necessarily a complete waste.  If you are looking
through a stack of magazines for the one which contains a given article, and
if you don't remember which month it was printed in, having a picture that
reminds one of the article can help you spot it immediately; if you're not
looking for the "cover" article, then if you look for that particular article
often enough, you might still associate the picture with the article.
(Think of them as icons for your desktop... :-)

Of course, I've been tossing out CACM since the content so rarely warrants
adding them to my already bulging collection of periodicals...

Xref: sparky comp.org.acm:740 comp.security.misc:1072
From: ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Lee Askew)
Subject: 1990/91 decus library
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:19:59 GMT

Does anybody know if/where the VAX Library collection 9 version 1990/91,
is or can it be ftp'd.

I am after a package SYSUAF reporting utility.

Thanks Lee.

 

  Regards, Lee Askew	Internet:ccla@marlin.jcu.edu.au
  Phone: +61 77 814944           L_ASKEW@damsel.jcu.edu.au
  Fax:   +61 77 796371  Austpac :PSI%27372000051::L_ASKEW
                        Snail: Senior Programmer
			       Computer Centre
			       James Cook University
                               Townsville, 4811
			       QLD, Australia

Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson!  New Registration format for Symp
Reply-To: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:53:27 GMT


Don't sugar coar it Ron, tell us what you really think.  I sense something
more is on your mind, but...

Anyway, the session information was dutifully posted to this newsgroup
last week.  It is all available electronically and Jeff Killeen was nice
and reposted them here for people to read and keep on line. 

I think this is terrific and the fact that they will send this information
on request (also indicated) means that they will use less paper and
spend less money.

As for $550.00.... I don't know... There's an awful lot of information
packed in there.  I like DECUS.  I'm not sure $550 -- which includes
continental breakfast and a full dinner-size, pig-out lunch -- is such
a bad deal.

As to "steamlined".  Not quite sure why it was in quotes.  I mean, it *is*
streamlined.  perhaps you were quoting  from the brochure.

Sure had enough information for me besides what I got in this newsgroup.

Fred
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson!  New Registration format for Symp
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:21:24 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Aug17.211751.3637@spcvxb.spc.edu>, terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
>   Well, I received mine today, and I like it! For one thing, it seems to be
> a new record for advance notice. [I usually have to call the office and ask
> "where is my ^&*$ program", possibly because the mail carrier was hospital-
> ized from carrying all of those books].

Thanks Terry I forgot that one - as a result of the new format we were able to
get the materials out 3.5 weeks earlier.
Xref: sparky comp.org.decus:758 comp.os.vms:13632 comp.sys.dec:4526
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Danger Will Robinson!  New Registration format for Symp
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:17:49 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <5710@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, jarrell@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) writes:
> DON'T DO THIS if you intend to go to the symposium.. The new
> "streamlined" registration package arrives in a small white 4x11
> envelope, and contains a color brochure with real small type.  As part
> of the new DECUS this brochure contains about, well, absolutely no
> information content.. At least, nothing beyond a lot of really obnoxious
> marketing hype, the price list, and the hotel list.  No list of
> sessions, no sag, nada.
> 
> Gee, maybe if they're not going to be producing any of this info
> anymore, they can move some of the deadlines down, so that speakers for
> next may won't have to commit to giving a session before they leave Las
> Vegas in december.

  Well, I received mine today, and I like it! For one thing, it seems to be
a new record for advance notice. [I usually have to call the office and ask
"where is my ^&*$ program", possibly because the mail carrier was hospital-
ized from carrying all of those books].

  I think the new program presents the information in an attractive manner.
Frankly, the old style brochure was rather drab. The new one makes a lot of
good points in a concise manner. IMHO, if I had to justify my attending to
my boss, I'd have better luck with the new style.

  As far as tossing out junk mail, did you throw out the "FREE MOTIF OFFER"
from DEC? How about surveys with $5 bills enclosed? Maybe I'm weird, but I
don't toss my mail based on the outside. Everything gets opened and looked
at (possibly for just a few nanoseconds) and then either punted or acted up-
on.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: dsroberts@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: Two Copies of Registration packet received....
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:30:33 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments

In article <1992Aug18.084830.695@calmasd.prime.com>, kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker) writes:
> Has anyone else received two copies of the reg packet?  I got one that had my
> membership number at the top of the mailing label and a second one that just
> had my name and title.  Was a mailing purchased and not merged with the DECUS
> membership to eliminate duplicates?
> 
> Ken
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **  Ken Brucker -- VMS/Ultrix Systems Programmer/Mangler -- Computer Vision
>  **  kjb@calmasd.Prime.COM  
>   **  Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty

A few people spoke up in DECUServe about this.  Anyway, I've gotten three.  One
to work, no number, two at home, one with, one without decus membership number.
-- 
   Don Roberts                   Internet:  don@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
   2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX:       714/961-3351
   Fullerton, CA  92634          Disclaimer:  Blame me, not Beckman.
   People are as happy as they decide to be - A. Lincoln
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Fix to DECUSERVE.DECUS.ORG DECUSPROGRAM account
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:18:38 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System


               <<< TOPAZ::$255$DUA6:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DCS.NOTE;1 >>>
                       -< Welcome to the DCS Conference >-
================================================================================
Note 73.81                DECUS Session Index (Keyword)                 81 of 81
TOPAZ::MCINTYRET "Tom MUMPS_Chair"                    7 lines  13-AUG-1992 22:45
                           -< CTRL/E now equals PF1 >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    There have been several requests from people with non-DEC compatible
    keyboards to provide an alternative to PF1 in the KEY screens.
    
    You may now use the CTRL/E key wherever you would have used PF1.  This
    is not documented on the screens, but is described in the Instructions
    and Help menu item.
    
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus