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From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Subject: Re: beano cook's picks
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:15:45 GMT
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In <1992Aug23.1539.11131@execnet> "al writes:

: Beano Cook's predictions, as given on ESPN radion Saturday, 8/22/1992.
: 
: I only guarantee that he said'em then, not that he won't give different
: prognostications later. His opinions, not mine, so send flames to him.
: 
: 
: 1) Notre Dame will win the national championship
: 
: 2) Penn State will only lose one game, to Notre Dame of course.
: 
: 3) Miami will lose by three touchdowns at Penn State.
: 

Aha! Now it's clear. Beano used to be the SID at Pitt and still holds an
obvious resentment toward Penn State. He's just getting Miami psyched.


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From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:14:33 GMT
Organization: 1992-Beat-The-Hell-Outta-Everyone Aggies of Texas A&M

Our own steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips) states :
>Like I said a while back, I believe that Texas A&M has some deeply-rooted
>problems.  A pass-catcher out of the backfield would be a godsend for them, to
>be sure.  However, a quick fix to that would be better offensive line play.
>I still can't believe that the line couldn't allow Greg Hill to run for more
>than two yards per carry.  He's a great back.


My $0.02 worth as to why the A&M attack was stifled:
	(a) the A&M offense has been primarily geared for run blocking
	    for the past couple of years (courtesy of Messr. Richardson)
	    and is now trying to adapt to a whole new blocking scheme
	    more suited to an offense with more emphasis on the pass.
	(b) the Stanford defense just wasn't given enough credit
	    beforehand -- they played their collective asses off!
	(c) A&M had an (uncharacteristally?) light week of practices
	    leading up to the game; perhaps they just weren't quite
	    as prepared as they should have been
	(d) typical slow start to the Aggie season (though I guess that
	    really hasn't applied the past couple of years...)

As for Carter dropping all those passes, I'm sort of at a loss to defend
that one; from what I'd heard and seen, he was supposed to be a fairly
dependable receiver out of the backfield. Go figure.

Don't get me wrong -- the Aggie offense just plain bit the big one!
I'm just trying to rationalize it to make me feel better... :-)

- Vince

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From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:10:49 GMT

In article <Bu03HI.IIv@news.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>
>Haven't seen any yet, so I thought I'd post some ACC predictions for
>discussion.
>
>Ball State at Clemson 
>---------------------
>This is Clemson's usual cakewalk opener. The Tigers will look
>ahead to next week's meeting with Florida State. This should be a
>nice warm-up for them.
>Clemson 51 Ball State 7
>

Isn't Ball State where David Letterman went to school :-) ?
BTW, what is Ball State's nickname?


>Duke at Florida State 
>---------------------
>The Seminoles begin conference play with what should be an easy game.
>Duke is very thin especially after Senior QB Dave Brown unexpectedly
>decided to turn pro after last season. Charlie Ward will start at QB for
>the Seminoles. 

Maybe this game is one of the reasons Brown bolted for the NFL (Besides
$$$$$). If had stayed another year and got beat up bad his stock surely
would have dropped

>
>Maryland at Virginia  
>--------------------
>Maryland has upset Virginia two years in a row. Most of the starters for
>Virginia are returning, with the only major question mark at QB, where
>fifth-yearman Bobby Goodman will start.  Look for Terry Kirby to get
>plenty of carries - UVa will try to win with a strong running game. 
>Mark Duffner brings the run and shoot to Maryland. The Terps have a
>good Offensive Line, but no proven QB. 
>Virginia 24 Maryland 17
>

Can't argue with that athough I might give Virginia a few more points.


>North Carolina at Wake Forest  (JP Sports ACC Game of The Week)
>-----------------------------
>Bill Dooley will be leaving Wake Forest after this season. Wake does not
>have the talent or depth to compete in the ACC.  North Carolina is projected
>for a big improvement this season and may get a bowl bid if things
>go well.
>North Carolina 34 Wake Forest 17

I expect Wake to make it tough early but I think UNC's depth an talent
will win out. UNC has not had an easy win vs Wake since 1985 and was
actually dominated by the Deacs in the late 80's .



>
>Appalachian State at North Carolina State  
>-----------------------------------------
>NC State is coming off of a great Kickoff Classic win. This one should
>be no problem. 
>NC State 21 Appalachian State 7  
>-- 
Maybe NCSU by a couple more touchdowns athough ASU has caused them 
problems in the past. ASU has owned Wake Forest for the past couple
years.


KRM

 Disclaimer: Despite my employer I neither love the Wolfpack nor do
             I hate them.





>Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
>U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
>(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: garnto@vaxdad.scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto, SCRI, 904/644-4534)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Paying athletes
Keywords: was Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:28:00 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <67123@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
* 
*I realize that the purpose of rules preventing athletes from working are to
*prevent abuses such the QB getting paid $500 for locking up the gate to the
*practice field or something comparable, but it is bureaucratic nonsense for
*the NCAA not to allow REAL jobs.  The same people with a hair where the sun
*don't shine that about athletes getting paid, can channel their energy into
*investigating the job to make sure that the job is on the level.  What's the
*worst that can happen?  "Well gosh, looks like your only earning the minimum
*wage flipping burgers, your not getting paid $1000 a day after all."  If the
*player can find the time to juggle practice, classes, homework, studying, and
*social diversions, and STILL have time to work, then there is no reason why
*he shouldn't be allowed to have a legitimate job.  If they were to investigate
*and find that some alumnus would come in, buy dome fries, and give a $500
*tip to the player for good service, OBVIOUSLY that's a violation.  But its
*a violation that would that can still occur if he doesn't work.  It simply
*is then a case of the $1000 visit from the tooth fairy, or the $500 in an
*envelope during the handshake routine.  IMHO, real jobs are should be allowed.
*-- 
*BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
*Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
*uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
*Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu


During the season football practice gets 20 hours a week (this does not include
weight lifting/conditioning/therapy etc.  only practice time.  we will be nice,
10 hours a week).  they have to be full time students 12 hours a week.  they
have to do some homework, lets go with 6 hours.  They have meal times that are
designated by the school (for nutritional stuff, plus some of those linemen
could probably go thru that $100 per week, easily) 3 hours a day, 15 hours a
week.

sleep/rest 10 hours a day. 5 * 14 = 70 hours left over after sleeping,
relaxing.

20 + 10 + 12 + 6 + 15 = 63.  This will give this athlete about 7 hours a week
to get to work, work and get back.  when is this guy going to flip burgers? 
Now i agree that this is probably a little exetreme, but you ge the idea.

this does leave saturday and sunday, of course.  but we know where he will be
on saturday (and if it is out of town, friday and maybe even sunday).

I think student athletes are allowed to have summer jobs (they are not on
scholorship then).  Anybody wanna hire a 'Nole for $1000 / week for 8 weeks?
(they start practice before the fall semester starts).
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Subject: Penn State update <more bad news>
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:40:48 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Ricky Sayles and Bobby Engram have been suspened from the team. Both players
were running with the second team offense. If anybody wants the exact details
E-mail me. I don't want to post them. -- 


                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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DoD # 645              Go Nittany Lions !!!             Beat The Bearcats!!!
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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Keywords: FSU, upsets
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <66850@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>After being swept by FSU in head-to-head competition in b-ball season, I
>would, this year ONLY, take a win over FSU, over a win over UGA!  I heard
>things like,"...guess you guys just didn't take FSU seriously, did you?"

Pretty odd, I'll admit. Believe me, folks in Tallahassee were every bit
as surprised as our new ACC brethren across the bible belt.

>Nothing meanspirited, but it got tiring nonetheless.  Anyway, if FSU goes
>into football season overconfident and assuming a free-ride to an undefeated
>season without a challenging in-conference game, then I think they'll be in
>for a rude awakening.  They play us (Tech) on the road, and I think Clemson
>too, but I'm not sure.  However, I seriously doubt that Bobby Bowden will 

I don't think that will really be a factor. We do play Clempsun on the
raod, along with Tech, NSCU, and Virginia. These will, of course, be the
biggest conference games for us. At the risk of sounding like an
asshole, I really don't think these teams will be a problem. I think
that we've just got too much talent and team speed at this point. The
road schedule is tough, but Bowden isn't called 'King o the Road', and
'The Road Warrior' for nuthin. 

>allow the 'Noles to get that overconfident.  The memory of 1987 game (I think
>this is the right year) against Miami must still be painful.  FSU was a 

Not nearly as painful as the year before, or last year. 

>But here's hoping that Tech, and maybe some other team too, can surprise
>FSU their first football season, the way FSU surprised some so-called "experts"

Possible...it'd be pretty funny if that happened.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs A&M
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:17:43 GMT


"We didn't lose, we just ran out of time..."

Or something like that.


Brian (not a good Ag) McDonald
From: JIM@UCF1VM.BITNET (Jim Ennis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU Vs Ga. Tech
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:29:34 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

Could someone at either school tell me when this game will be and if it
will be on tv?

Thanks.

Jim Ennis
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State update <more bad news>
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:18:10 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center



	Tickets for Penn State @ BYU game are still available for PSU fans.
	For more information, call Rich at (801) 393-4217.  BYU fans, don't
	even try.


	JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU
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From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Walsh falls from pedestal 
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:49:14 GMT

Paragraph appearing in todays Houston Chronicle (8/31/92):

  "It didn't take long for Stanford coach Bill Walsh to fall off his
pedestal in the Bay Area.
   After Stanford lost 10-7 to Texas A&M on Wednesday, Mark Soltau's lead
paragraph in the San Francisco Examiner read: 
'Uh-oh.  So maybe Bill Walsh isn't such a genius after all.' "
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas
From: valdis@usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trojan News Vol.4
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:08:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun21.usc.edu

USC's football have arrived back from training camp at UC Irvine last week
and have begun final preparations for this saturday's opener with SDSU at
Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego. Practice sessions have been long,hot,
but according to Larry Smith "the most productive of his coaching career"....

Since comming back to LA, the team has been using alot of practice time using
Dedeaux Field (SC's baseball stadium) in order to get used to running on the
infield dirt since almost half of Jack Murphy Stadium's football field will
be covered by the infield dirt...

Injury report: SC has gone through practice so far relatively healthy with
               only the following injuries:

               Deon Strother:(sprained ankle) According to Coach Smith it is
                             a "high ankle sprain" which is usually the worst
                             kind (simmilar to the injury that Ricky Ervins
                             had). Even though Smith insists that Deon will
                             not play intill the ankle is fully healed, he
                             is expected back by the Washington game. Dwight
                             McCallum will resume the duties of backing up
                             Estrus Crayton at tailback.


               Clay Hattabaugh: (dislocated knee) Will be expected back for
                                the Washington game..


Report on SDSU: A real talanted team with a lot of weapons. According to Coach
                Smith "this is a team that would finish in the top three or 
                four in the PAC-10". Marshall Faulk will lead the waay for the
                Aztecs. Coach Smith comments' "He's better than Tony Dorsett
                was at this stage. He's a very tough player". And a possible
                Heisman candidate (as only a sophomore)???


Only 3 days and counting...GO TROJANS! BEAT THE AZTECS!!


Fight On,
Valdis Kalejs
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

>Heisman winners have had a terrible record recently in Bowl games.
>I wonder if it is because their opponents are pumped up to put
>what they believe is an overrated media child in his place.
>
>1990: Texas A & M 52 BYU 14. Detmer is knocked out of the game, but not
>before throwing a few interceptions.

VR> Ahem...the score was 65-14, A&M...

Ok, I stopped watching when it was 52-14.

>1987: Tim Brown and Notre Dame are ruined by an underdog A & M team.
>1985: Bo Jackson's Auburn Tigers are upset in the cotton bowl.

In 1989 Texas A&M defeated Andre (Under) Ware 16-7. Ware would win the
Heisman that year by running up stats against the likes of SMU.

Recap:

SEASON

1985-86 A&M beats "BO"
1987-88 A&M routs Tim Brown
1989-90 A&M stifles Ware
1990-91 A&M disables Detmer
1992-93 A&M over Bill Walsh

Is that something to brag about???

I mean it is bad enough that the Aggies take pride in ganging up on
one man teams with eleven players ,but one of their opponents was an
old guy (Bill Walsh), and on top of that the Aggies sometimes utilize a
"12th man" against their poor, outnumbered opponents.



P.S. In September, 1988 A&M lost badly to Barry Sanders. However,
Aggie fans will say that game does not count because it was at the
beginning of the season before anyone knew who that Sanders kid was.

A&M wasn't up for the contest because they had wanted to play
Thurman Thomas eleven on one like they did in 1987 when they beat
Thomas in College Station.
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A&M on ABC (was Re: LSU/A&M Spread?)
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:26:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Sep2.224923.20611@ods.com> richard@ods.com writes:

> Pedro Luna (ped@BNR.CA) wrote:
> : 
> : ABC also had another A&M game
> : against the bears from waco.  It was during that game that we all saw an
> : amazing comeback by the Aggie offense led by then QB Kevin Murray.  The
> : Aggies beat baylor 31-30 in the last minute of the game.  Let the
> : tradition continue....
> 
> I remember that game vividly, it was at Kyle Field, not in Waco.  We
> were down 17-0, and it was fixing to be 24-0 when the defense woke up
> and stopped Baylor near the goal line in the second quarter.  Murray
> hit Tony Thompson with about 2-3 minutes left in the game to take the
> lead for the first time in the game.
> Richard Thompson

  Well I remember that game.  I think it was the best I've ever seen (esp since
we won).  I believe it was voted game of the decade by the SWC sportswriters.
And followed up by an equally-wild game not two weeks later where the Ags beat
SMU (pre-death penalty) 35-31 at Texas Stadium.  Well over 90% of those present
seemed to be Aggies that day, judging by the amount of swaying during the
War Hymn.

  For excitement and great play, these were the best games I've ever been to.

  
semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:11:07 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Aug27095403@neuron.cs.tamu.edu> Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes:
>Re: the MVP for A&M versus Stanford 
>> but when he was put back in for the 4th, he was a different QB than in
>> the first half; he went 8-19 for 116 yds. plus a TD to TE Greg Schorp.
>> He (Granger) was somehow named MVP of the game by Raycom.
>
>I think it was TE Greg Schorp, who caught four passes for 68 yards, that
>was named the game's MVP.  He really made a name for himself in the
>fourth quarter.  His touchdown catch over that linebacker at the back of
>the endzone was one that will long be remembered.
>
>But, the fierce comeback that Granger lead in the fourth quarter showed
>a lot of courage and leadership.  And, punter David Davis, averaged
>around 44 yards per kick, pinned Stanford inside it's 10 twice,

and don't forget the bad call by the ref's giving A&M an interception on a 
play that had both pass interference and an interception after the
ball clearly bounced off the ground.  It certainly broke A&M's string   
of starting with poor field position in the 2nd half.

John L
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Keywords: n
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:09:35 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>>  There are several awfully good schools in Texas.  But there is only one place
>>as big, good, and peculiar as Texas A&M. 
>> 
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UT at least as big?  As for who's more 
>peculiar, well, I'm not from Texas, so I couldn't say.
>
Texas has more students, but the campus isn't nearly as large.  A&M
has the largest campus in the US.  Complete with an airport, golf course, 
academia, cotton farm, pig farm (right next to the G Bush Library), etc, etc.
A&M has pretty muched capped enrollment at 41,000 and is like the 6th or 7th
largest University by students.  Texas is in the 50,000 neighborhood I believe
and is the 3rd largest University by students.


cmuck

ps- the one that shocks is the University of Cincinnati.  Check out their
    enrollment!
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Keywords: n
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:42:29 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>] >
>] >Ok, I stopped watching when it was 52-14.
>] 
>] That's okay.  The only one taking it seriously after that was Slocum. ;-)


>i don't know about that, bryan.  BYU's crotchety old coach looked
>pretty serious in his post-game "greeting" of slocum.
>

Oh no, not this thread again... let me summarize:

BYU fan:  you guys ran up the score on us
Aggie fan: no kidding, you called us weak
BYU fan: you guys hurt Ty Detmer intentionally
Aggie fan: no we didn't, it just so happens that we are especially 
     rough on Heisman winners
BYU fan: why were you throwing in the 4th quarter?
Aggie fan: because we had like 6+ yds/carry and were down to the
     third string already, why not let Bucky wail away at throwing
     the ball, there were better odds of you getting us in a 3rd
     down situation.
etc, etc, etc

please, let this thread die already... that was '90!!!  this is now..

cmuck

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