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From: Cindy.Cole@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Cole)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: tobacco smoke
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 09:45:38 PDT
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She:Kon KWe KWe
     I am a x-smoker.  I have not had a cigarette for over 8 years and am very proud of the fact I was able to quit.  It is definitely something the addicted individual has to decide for themselves as frequently we smokers tend to be very selfish about our addiction and our right to be allowed to puff.  It is definitely an addiction and I still today out of habit think how good one might taste. 
     I was lucky to be able to be away from my home for a lengthly period when I first started quitting.  This allowed me to break some of the ritualistic and association cigarettes I would have.  I was on an island with my students at an environmental retreat where every minute of the day was filled with activities(in many instances disimilar to most I normally do) and the food was healthy and in large quantities.
     The first week for me was very hard but being in a discriminating, foreign , healthy place certainly kept me on my toes and away from thinking only about smoking.
     When I got home, my husband too was quitting, was a bit more difficult, as both of us really wanted a smoke., thank goodnes it was usuallynot at the same time.  It was very difficult and associations with familiar things and times when you would smoke made the temptation very great.  I brushed my teeth whenever I wanted to smoke.  Often if the urge got too great I took a shower, went for a walk.  I had to change many ofmy habits and was not able to add several back for several years as the association
 was that great.  Support of those around you by saying what a great job you are doing was a real boost and someone had given me some "NICOGUM" I never actually used it by having it in my pocket was enough of a carrot for me.  Good luck and I hope this might help your mom to give up this smelly, expensive, offensive, destructive and stupid habit.
                                                     Sken:nen
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From: Judy.Sneed@f70.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Judy Sneed)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: incest
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:12:30 PDT
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 MW>  
 MW> I am writing to find out about the state laws involving the
 MW> marriage of blood relatives.  I hope to find out if there is
 MW> varying state laws on the legal standards of how far removed a
 MW> couple must be before they can legally be married.  I have
 MW> friends who where married about a year ago who were first cousins
 MW> by blood.  They were married in California.  I would like to know

Oklahoma does not allow 1st cousins to marry. They usually elope to Texas. We found this rather funny when some friends of ours who were 1st cousins married several years after their respective spouses had died. They were 68 and 70 years old.

Judy



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From: Aaron.Evans@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Evans)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:52:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Mr. Herr
     Thank you for pointing out the discrepencies in my wessage.
For clarification I would like to say that when I said, "The rate
of the slowing of the earth", I meant the movement of the earth
around its axis. I agree that the rotation of the earth has "VERY"
little effect on the movement about the sun. What I was refering
to in the other message was not supposed to have anything to do
with the movement around the sun, it was meant to be exclusivly
about the earth's revolution! I hope I have clarified this for you.
I think that you would enjoy talking to Wesley R. Elsberry from the
Central Neural System on the Evolution Echo (if your BBS can pick
it up.) By the message he sent I assume that he is for evolution
just about as strongly as I am against. The reason I say this is
because of this quote; "...where I and several other folks work to
provide good information for rebutting the SciCre propaganda line."
By the way, which do you believe in, creation or evolution?
 
                                        Sincerly,
                                        Aaron Evans



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From: kgrossha@radford.vak12ed.edu (Kurt Grosshans)
Subject: Re: EVOLUTION
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:26:24 GMT

Jerry Saville (Jerry.Saville@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org ) writes:
>  -=> Quoting Jessica Smith to All <=-
> 
>  JS> @EID:08ab 2b24ca97 Hi, my name is Jessica Smith.  I am a junior at
>  JS> Bonners Ferry High School.  In my Biology class we have been studying a
>  JS> little bit  about evolution.  This subject to me is very contraversial
>  JS> because of peoples different beliefs.  I believe we evolved from apes
>  JS> but then again that doesn't make alot of sense-where did the apes come
>  JS> from?  Adam and Eve may have been the first on earth-but where did they
>  JS> come from?  If anyone has an explanation for these theories, I'd like
>  JS> to know.  Since scientists aren't really sure how we evolved, everyone
>  JS> has been taught different through religion, school, and through
>  JS> personal beliefs.  I'd like to hear your opinions on the subject. 
>  JS> Since no belief can be proven for a fact, maybe the advancement of DNA
>  JS> testing will be able to be used for further study.  I'd like to hear
>  JS> your comments. 
>                Remember,
>    You asked for it!
>    Adam and Eve came from the one, original God. He created them.
>    As for evolution, I am not completely opposed to the idea. There are
>    some interesting things that come out of the idea, but you must remember,
>    Darwin recanted his own theory! It was the athiests that picked up the
>    idea and ran with it. (Darwin, by the way was an avid Christian)
> 
> 
> ... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11
> 
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Atheists?????? AHHH...Your such a good Christian!

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From: Shannon.Rae@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Shannon Rae)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Clear-cuts
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:20:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID


 
 
 
 
 
`I am a student at Bonners Ferry High School in Bonners Ferry Idaho. 
 
It is a small logging community of about 3,500 people.  So most of
you can probably guess what I'm going to be writing about.  I am
quite sick of all of the prejudice toward loggers.  For example,
just last week over Thanksgiving weekend I was flying to Chicago
with my family and prejudice towards loggers showed up on our
flight.  Our Co-Pilot was pointing out clear-cutsand how awful they
were.  The attitude of most of the people by the end of the flight
was quite bitter, since most of the passengers were from the
northwest.  I don't think that people who do not know about logging
should criticize it.  Clear-cuts get rid of diseased trees and
afterwards new trees are replanted.  It may look bad, but it is
beneficial.  I wish people would think before judging the loggers
of the northwest.  They need to realize that by shutting down our
forests, about 3/4 of the people in just my small community would
be out of work.  If anyone has an opinion on this please write. 


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From: Dave.Casselman@f20.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Casselman)
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Subject: Test
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:40:44 PDT
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noecho
Test


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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hyper Thyroid
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:41:51 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

2nd article

--------------------
Copyright (c) 1992 Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc.

thyroid gland
The thyroid, an endocrine gland, synthesizes, stores, and
 secretes two hormones--thyroxine, or tetraiodothyronine,
 and triiodothyronine--that are chemically related and
 important to human growth and metabolism. Located below the
 larynx (voice box), the thyroid's two lobes occur on either
 side of the windpipe, connected by an isthmus (band of
 tissue). The gland is composed of many hollow sacs
 (follicles) filled with colloid (a gelatin material), which
 contains thyroglobulin, the storage form of the hormones.
 Essential to the synthesis of the hormones is inorganic
 iodide, which diffuses from the blood into the follicle
 cells. A third hormone, thyrocalcitonin or calcitonin, acts
 against excessive levels of calcium in the blood and
 against the effects of parathyroid hormone on bone
 resorption. The manufacture and transport of this hormone
 is not fully understood. It is believed to be secreted by
 the C cells found between the follicles.
Thyroid hormone secretion is controlled by
 thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH), or thyrotropin, from the
 anterior pituitary. In turn, the resultant increase in the
 level of thyroid hormone in the blood serves to signal the
 pituitary to stop releasing the thyrotropin (negative
 feedback). This homeostatic mechanism keeps the level of
 thyroid hormone in the circulatory system within a constant
 range. A lack of thyroid function in infants causes
 cretinism, whereas a loss or low levels of the thyroid
 hormones later in life result in hypothyroidism, or
 myxedema, and possibly GOITER. Overproduction of the
 hormones, or hyperthyroidism, also may result in goiter.
Bibliography: Hershman, Jerome M., and Bray, G. A., eds.,
 The Thyroid: Physiology and Treatment of Disease (1978);
 Werner, Sidney C., and Ingbar, Sidney H., eds., The
 Thyroid, 4th ed. (1978).
See also: ENDOCRINE SYSTEM, DISEASES OF THE.
 



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From: Darrel.Westbrook@f20.n2608.z1.fidonet.org (Darrel Westbrook)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: RELIGION, SKIING AND
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:04:08 GMT
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Jerry,

The Bible is an interpretation of God's word by men.  They were holy men, but men just the same.  Why would God only speak to Christians and forsake the rest of the world's people?  Would it not make more sense for God to speak to each of those people in a manner that they could relate!  Their holy men would then interpret the word of God within the framework of their lives.  Just like the Christians, but they would be no less wrong in their belief and their God than you.

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From: Jerry.Saville@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Saville)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: RELIGION, SKIING AND
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 11:21:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/2051 - The O.U. BBS, Norman OK

 -=> Quoting Darrel Westbrook to Jerry Saville

 DW> The Bible is an interpretation of God's word by men.  They were holy
 DW> men, but men just the same.  Why would God only speak to Christians and
 DW> forsake the rest of the world's people?  Would it not make more sense
 DW> for God to speak to each of those people in a manner that they could
 DW> relate!  Their holy men would then interpret the word of God within the
 DW> framework of their lives.  Just like the Christians, but they would be
 DW> no less wrong in their belief and their God than you.

 DW> - Darrel -

The Bible is given  to us as the devine word of God for us to take to all
nations. It contains no "interpretations" by men. God worked through the
men that wrote the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible tells us that
"Jesus is the only One who can save people. His name is the only power
in the world that has been given to save people. We must be saved through
him." This passage comes from the New Century Version of the Holy Bible,
Acts 4:12. It is not my intention to "cram" Christianity down anyone's
throat. It is my Biblical responsability to present the good news to all
people. The ball is in your court now.  The decision is yours.
 I like the way you think!  I have often thought that God prepairs people
to hear His word through ways that they can understand. In all cultures there
are religious beliefs that corespond very well with the Judeo/Christian
belief structure. I think that this is Gods way to pave the way.

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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:17:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



In article <1992Dec18.154158.12539@isc-br.isc-br.com>
     bruceh@access.isc-br.com (Bruce Hogan) writes about the "water
     canopy" theory to explain Noah's flood:

>I don't remember all their conclusions, but one stuck...and it was their 
>comment that people would live to be hundreds, maybe even thousands of years
>old because the water envelope would effectively filter out the harmful and 
>life-shortening rays from the Sun. 

There are many problems with the vapor canopy "theory", some of which
were enunciated already by Dan Ashlock.  Instead of hitting that broad
issue, I'd like to focus on this one point.

Bruce's statements above make very little sense in this world because
they assume facts that are demonstrably incorrect.  Principally Bruce
assumes that we understand the aging process well enough to make
meaningful statements about longevity resulting from tweaking one
parameter (amount of radiation to which we're exposed).  We do not
understand aging all that well--modern medicine has vastly increased
the *average* life expectency of humans over the past few hundred
years, but it has had no effect whatsoever on maximum life expectancy.
No matter what you eat, how much you exercise, what drugs you do or
don't take, you will not live more than around 120 years (unless we do
come to understand aging better before you reach that age).  More of
us are living into our 70's and 80's than ever before, but nobody's
sticking 130 candles on their birthday cake.

In fact from what little we do understand about aging, it appears to
be something that is programmed into our genes.  Although frequent
exposure to elevated levels of cosmic radiation might decrease your
life slightly, avoiding that radiation is not going to increase your
life without bound any more than last year's leap second means that
the earth's rotation has been slowing at a constant rate of one second
per year into the indefinite past.  Both hypotheses suffer from an
unwarranted extrapolation from a small data set.

>Bruce Hogan
>Spokane, WA

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Re: EVOLUTION
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:10:50 GMT

In article <101874@netnews.upenn.edu>, rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
writes:
> P.S.  I agree with a previous poster that Dan Ashlock used the word
> "proven" in an inappropriate sense.  I understand his zeal, however,
> because it's hard to hold back when talking about a fact that is as
> well supported as evolution is.  For scientists there is no
> controversy about the fact of evolution, and there hasn't been one for
> well over a hundred years.

   I'm sorry.  I thought I had said "proven, as in court".  In that sense 
the fact that evolution has taken place has been proven beyond a shodow of a
doubt, let alone beyond any reasonable doubt.  It is only in the strict sense of
science which is unreachable in practice that evolution has not been 
proven.

Dan Ashlock
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU

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From: wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne)
Subject: Re: BIOSPHERE II
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:43:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.104317@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
>
>Now, about the tax money, absolutely no tax money was wasted because none was
>involved. Biosphere II was privately funded and they are operating a Disneyland
>like park around the Biosphere to try and make some money.
>
>   In the rumors and tabloid speculation department, the people running
>Biosphere act a bit odd.  I have heard they are on record as saying they intend
>to evacuate to Mars when the human race destroys the earth or some such; high
>tech survivalists.
>

The "Village Voice" did a series of exposes on the Biosphere group last year.
Apparently the Biosphere people are members of a long-running survivalist cult
run by John Allen.  Sometime in the late 1970's Allen gave up on his idea of
transforming human society and decided that since the Earth is doomed, he and
his followers would move to Mars.  One of Allen's converts is one of the *very*
wealthy Bass family from Texas, and it's mostly Bass money that finances their
ventures.

>   Finally, all other matters aside, Biosphere is a very bad piece of science
>because it does so many things at once that no one could tell what happened if
>it suceedes OR fails.  They didn't solicit peer review (in which members of the
>scientific community comment and suggest improvements in an experiment of
>program).  They tried to leap right into a full, sealed ecology with seven
>(six?) complex biomes, jungle, ocean, grassland, I don't know what all.  A
>reasonable scientific approach might have been to choose a single biome, not
>stress it by having people try to live off it, and to allow it access to
>outside oxegen, carbon dioxed, water, etc. but measure them carefully.  In
>20-30 years a series of experiments like that could bootstrap to something like
>what Biosphere II was supposed to be.
>

All the "scientists" inside the Biosphere are long-time members of Allen's
cult, and their scientific "credentials" have been issued by front
organizations run by the cult.  Several respectable scientists have been paid
to endorse the venture from the outside, but peer review is not only not
solicited, but actively discouraged.

Anyone interested in Biosphere II is heartily encouraged to locate the "Village
Voice" articles and read them.
 
---Bill VanHorne
From: Aaron.Evans@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Evans)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:22:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Mr. Elsberry,
     Don't be so hasty in your decision to disprove my theory! I
don't think that you totally understand my message. I admit it was
not as clear as it should have been. To clear up certain mistakes
that I made, I would like to say (as was brought to my attention
by Lowell Herr, one of the others on this forum) that I meant the
earths movement about its own axis, !NOT! around the sun. This rate
of "retardation" if calculated backwards probably would not support
the theory of evolution in the fact that the earth would certainly
be anialated before you reached the five billion year mark. I would
also like to say I was not directly approaching the subject of
biological evolution, I was merely saying that for evolution to
have occured the earth would have had to exist five billion years
(or more) ago. In addition I would point out that I am only a
sopomore in high school so don't be to hard on me! O.K.?
 
 
"Next Argument..."
 
                                   In Crist's Love,
                                   Aaron Evans



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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: UFO's
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:34:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <29690.2B2CAEE3@puddle.fidonet.org>
     Laurie.Appleton@p1.f316.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Laurie Appleton) writes:

> JK> Of course [UFO's] exist!  The Universe is to big for us to be alone...
>
>   Does that mean that a Universe only a few million years old might
> have only ONE planet on which there was life?  

I strongly urge anyone who wants to see what a biologist has to say
about the logic of this "we can't be alone" stance to look for a
column by Jared Diamond on the subject.  It was in _Natural History_
some time back in 1989 or 90.  I can get the exact month for anyone
who wants it.

In any case, Diamond analogized the evolution of "intelligent" life to
the evolution of woodpecking.  The niche that woodpeckers fill would
seem to be one that would have been profitable throughout the history
of life, and yet animals that filled the niche have evolved only once.
Likewise, Diamond argues it might not be so surprising if the peculiar
qualities necessary for "intelligence" have evolved only once.

The SETI people might disagree of course.  Have any of you heard of
SETI and META (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence and Mega-
channel Extra-Terrestrial Assay)?  There are people systematically
searching the skies for evidence of other civilizations, you know... 

>    So, there really isn't any 'hard' evidence for UFO'S is
> there?  I mean we really don't have any pieces of crashed UFO's
> in any Museums do we?

Some people who are into conspiracy theories claim that a UFO crashed
in the New Mexico desert some time in the 50's I think.  There is a
semi-humorous article in a recent issue of _Air & Space_ written by a
person who investigated this and the associated claim that the
wreckage from this crash (including alien bodies) is in storage at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.  Once again, if you want to
try to get some facts about the topic, I can get the exact month the
article was published.  Suffice it to say that the claims aren't
terribly believable.

> Laurie

>Internet: Laurie.Appleton@p1.f316.n640.z3.fidonet.org

Mickey Rowe    (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
From: Dalaina.Starr@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dalaina Starr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hyper Thyroid
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:04:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     My name is Dalaina Starr. I am from a small town called
Bonners Ferry. I attend the Bonners Ferry High school, which is
located in the northern panhandle of Idaho.
     I have recently been diagnosed with Hyper Thyroid. I have been
told that I have a malignant tumor in my thyroid that has taken
over all of the functions of my thyroid.  My doctors are now
watching me for signs of Hyper Thyroid.  I have to go in every
three months and have blood taken for testing.  Since the tumor is
malignant, my doctor does not see any need for having a surgery
performed or a need to be on medication for the rest of my life.
     I was wondering how common this is in teenagers and what other
medical procedures are there in dealing with this problem?  I would
greatly appreciate any type of information that you could give me
that would help me understand my condition in a greater degree.
When I first found out about my problem I was scared because my
doctors at first thought that there was a good chance that it was
cancerous.
 
                              Thank you,
 
                              Dalaina Starr



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From: Joey.Villelli@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Joey Villelli)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: growth of towns
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:43:47 PDT
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