From: watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson)
Subject: Re: Creation vs. evolution
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:02:00 GMT

[R.Reardon's largely content-free article deleted]

Welcome to talk.origins.  Boy are you ever asking for a barbecuing.
In the newusers postings it advises that you should read a group for a
while before posting, in order to get a feel for the issues, and the
various views on them.  Also, to pick up the FAQ if there is one (t.o
seems to have several).  The purpose of this advice is to PREVENT
postings like the one you just made, and the ensuing flame wars.  You
see, EVERY SINGLE THING in your post has already been said, several
times, on this group by various Creationists (and frequently better
expressed).

I predict this is one of the POLITEST responses you're gonna get.

Someone mail this guy the FAQs, pls.

Now, just which part of the "fact" of evolution do you wish to dispute? 

The age of the Earth (i.e. 6ky vs. 5Gy)?  Please state an age (well,
to within and order of magnitude). Then please show how the results of
radiometric dating, observations of layering in lake beds, corals and
ice cores, not to mention astronomy (Q: how can we see stars further
away than <age_of_universe> light-years?), can be made more consistent
with the age you claim than with the accepted one.  Robert Bales would
be happy to help you I'm sure.  BTW, just to clarify terms: this isn't
even "Evolution" as such: it's sloppy terminology to roll in physical
age of the Universe with Evolution, which is a theory in biology.

That organisms alive today did not exist in the past, and that
organisms alive in the past no longer exist, but that the former are
descended from the latter?  Please explain the sorting of fossils in
the various strata of rock.  (Note, that this was observed 'way back
in the 19th century by amateur geologists, most of whom were what
today would be called Young-Earth Creationists.)  Hint: Can you say
"deluvian hydrological sorting"?  If so, don't bother, we've heard it
before and it doesn't work.

I'll leave the details for the appropriate professionals on t.o

You realize that you REALLY ASKED FOR IT when you claimed that
Evolution is just a atheistic plot to deny the existence of God. You
made reference to Hitler and the Holocaust: Herr Schickelgruber and
his modern followers whip up anti-Semitism by claiming a sinister,
underground Zionist CONSPIRACY.  In order to believe your version of
Creationism, you must similarly believe that virtually all modern
practitioners of the sciences of biology, geology, astronomy and
physics are part of the Big Evo-Atheist Conspiracy.  They're ALL
either deliberate liars, or incredibly stupid dupes.

If that's what you believe then we should extend this thread to
alt.conspiracy.  I feel sorry for anyone who's afraid of such
non-existent phantoms.

Oh yes, you've just insulted a number of your fellow-Christians
(including Yours Truly), who have little or no problem with evolution
or an old earth.  Unless of course you're the kind of fundamentalist
who uses Six-Day Creationism as a test of fellowship?
--
==Steve Watson: watson@sce.carleton.ca===Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario==
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