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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving on Cape Hattaras.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:09:03 GMT
Keywords: Please???

In article <9403@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> karol+@pitt.edu (Karol W. Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
>
>Hi
>Please, if anyone lives on the outer banks, or close by, and knows 
>what the conditions are like in late November, tell me.
>I have posted 2 messages and was totally dissed. I would really apreciate
>it if anyone would tell me, as I am going there nex week with a couple 
>of friends. In Fact, I will buy you a beer on Hattaras if you tell me....
>

I usually go to hatteras for the turkey weekend. This year I'm not going. Last 
year was wetsuit weather and 7.5 sailing one of the four days. The other three
were fishing days or what ever you do when your skunked. The year before 
that was better.

Hatteras is just like anywhere else. You never know what your going to get
until you get it. I find myself going there mostly for a change of pace and
scenery. The good thing about the wind is when it blows it really blows! I've
had some great 30knot days there and plenty 5 knots.

My recommendation is bring all your stuff (light to heavy wind equipment).


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From: jmp@leo.irv.icl.com (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Excerises
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:25:04 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA

In article <4310535@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
> >I am writing as a pretty keen, improving windsurfer.  I would describe
> >myself as intermediate (can waterstart, manage the odd neat carve
> >gybe, and enjoy jumping as high as I can....) but my arm strength is a
> >bit weedy.
> >
> >What kind of excercises/weight training have people found most
> >effective and useful in building up windsurfing muscles?
> >
> >Matt.
> ----------
> If you are carving and jumping on a short board, I'd consider you more than
> an intermediate! 8-)
> 
> Anyway, sailing is the best exercise.  What no wise cracks?  Ok, I found
> stairmaster, racquetball and Nautalis with some time on free weights set
> for rowing worked pretty well last year.  this year I'm trying to do
> Rollerblading for an hour Sat and Sun AM rather than stairmaster (more
> fun).

  I find that pull-ups help a lot for the upper body & forearm strength 
  neccessary for all types of sailing (a 2 hour sailing session is like doing
  a few hundred pull-ups %^)

  I also find that a combined aerobic workout, with 5-10lb dumbbell weights 
  used in a arm-curl/wrist curl pumping action really helps against forearm
  fatigue!  But be sure to warm up all muscles before, as this rapid pumping
  with wrist curls can lead to carpel tunnel (sp?) syndrome.  But, then again,
  any excersize can cause injury if not properly warmed up. 
> 
> Kirk out

~ Jim Paugh
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Several Questions
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:01:47 GMT

I just bought a transition board about a month ago and have
found myself more and more in need of technical knowledge.

1) What are the subtlties of where you put your fin?

2) How can you prevent cavetation (sp ?)?

3) How long should your fin be?

4) What are the appropriate sails for a range of winds
and how does one determine this?  (Yesterday, this guy 
told me I was overpowerd by my 6'2" in 20 mph winds;  I 
thought I was just going fast!)

5) What do you look for in a good sail?

6) How does the shape of a fun, slalom, wave sail affect its
performance?

Wheeh!  That's a lot of questions.  I hope these are
common questions for us beginners, so that others will
also benefit from the responses.

Thanks!

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From: curtisa@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Curtis Allred)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:10:30 GMT
Subject: Aruba for New Years?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

How'z the aruban wind in late Dec & early Jan?  I'm thinking about a holiday
getaway.  I've heard spring and summer are the best seasons... how much
worse is winter?

Any better alternatives for that time of year?

Curtis Allred   (curtisa@.sc.hp.com) 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: Rick Boebel <boebel@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: O'Neill Drysuit
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-24748]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
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Organization: Freeman School of Business
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:32:49 GMT

I`m in the market for a drysuit, and on various recommendations I`m
looking for an O`Neill Oasis II.  I will have to mail-order it
because the closest store to NO is Houston or Pensacola.  The
problem I have is size.  Normally for O`Neill I wear a med. in a
farmer john + jacket combo.  However I seem to have a large neck for
my size (17n vs. 5n8n and 165lbs.).  So I worry about getting the
neck seal on and how comfy it will be?  Anyone out there have any
experience or a ph. # for O`Neill?
From: kenb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Ken Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: I will buy your gear...
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:06:07 GMT
Organization: Shred Heads Board Room


> Do you have windsurfing equipment which you just don't use anymore?

What self respecting windsurfer doesn't?

> Do you want some money?

Ditto.


I've a '90 5.0 North Prizma sail I'd be willing to part with.  It's in
good shape - I didn't sail it once this year (bought a quiver of Waddells
at the beginning of the season).  It works best on a Fiberspar Blue curve
(flex top) mast (sorry, don't want to sell *that* yet), or, I presume,
Norths equivalent mast, whatever that is.

I live close by in Cupertino, if you're interested.


Ken Brown

(408) 252-0377 (hm)
(408) 447-3089 (wk)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@sailor.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Yet another low bypassing the Mid-Atlantic coast
Reply-To: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:13:10 GMT


At 5 pm Nov 12 a low pressure center over Lake Huron was bringing
near gale-force winds to most of the midwest. This storm center
is moving to the northeast at about 40 mph. 

Alas, the winds in NJ are just starting to pick up, and it looks
like we will miss the powerful part of the cold front tomorrow.
I hope I am wrong.

Ned
From: rolf@mechanics.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Southern California
Keywords: SDWA, some SoCal tips
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:23:37 GMT
Distribution: ca


If you're a San Diego boardhead, you should consider joining the San Diego
Windsurfing Association. They can be reached at:

SDWA
P.O Box 9494
San Diego, CA 92169-0494

Membership is $10/household. Send them info about your skill level and any
particular items of interest you have. My membership is in the mail now :-)

Check out the latest Windsurf magazine in the Windfinder section - there's
a whole blurb on the San Diego area. It's fairly accurate and covers most
of the local spots. 

Some phone numbers:

Mission Bay conditions: 488-WIND
Lake Hodges conditions: 463-0137

The inland lakes can really crank during a Santa Ana, especially Lake Perris.
Unfortunately, the drought has kept the Ponds and Lake Morena closed for
several years now, and this season doesn't look too good, either. :-(

I have a local mailing list (windsurf@ames.ucsd.edu) that hardly gets any
traffic, but I do notify the list if I hear about (or experience) good
sailing conditions. [P.S. to Serge: I just added you to this list.]

We had a great Santa Ana a couple of weeks ago - sub 5.0 weather at Lake Hodges.
Unfortunately, I don't think many people got there in time. Bruce, do you
still smell like skunk? ;-)

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University of California at San Diego       Voice: (619)534-5414
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Excerises
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:43:38 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.

jaime@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera) writes:

>I try to get my skateboard 
>out every once in a while, and, after suitable armor is donned, take a few spins
>in front of the driveway.  This is real convenient, and  not very expense. You

	We've got a sailor in our area who is relativly new to the sport (been
	sailing about 3 years), and he's gotta be one of the hardest hardcore
	that Ive seen in a while. He's 35, and if it's 10kts, he's out there!
	Here in the Mid West, most of us have packed the gear away for the
	season, but he's still sailing. He just doesnt care about the cold.
	Period. He also built himself a half-pipe in his backyard so he could
	better learn how to wavesail! When his kids are asked by their friends
	why their dad built a half-pipe for them, they say it's kinda
	embarassing to say that it's FOR THEIR DAD! It's realy neat to see him
	and his kids out there thrashing...and his sailing has improved alot as
	a result. 

	As a side note, take that skateboard and attach your rig to it! It's a
	great way to work on your jybes and just have fun! FULL PADDED GEAR is
	a MUST! As is a helmet. Also, get the largest size wheels you can.
	Makes life easier when going over rocks... And you need from about
	5-12kts to use it (with a 5.0 - 5.5. sail)...so it works well for those
	days when it's not quite windy enough to sail. 

>Good luck and keep looking for those storms  !!

	Hey, check out what Florida is going to get this weekend...should be an
	epic weekend session. Just wish I had the time to drive down there!

	
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From: ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:23:02 GMT
Subject: Hot Air = Big Sails?
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Hi,

This one may be a bit off the wall but should appeal to you physics types
out there. I do most of my sailing in Singapore. Our trades season just
started yesterday & usually lasts till about end Feb/March. Singapore is
sort of 100 miles north of the equator (hot, in other words).

I've noticed that for a given wind speed, I use much bigger sails here than
I do in Maui or elsewhere. In marginal conditions, 7.5s & 8.0s are not 
uncommon among the bigger sailors here. I've had some experience sailing
in the UK and that seems to reinforce my opinion that air density has 
something  to do with this. Does it make sense? Should air temperatures
affect density & thereby sail size? Note this is based on purely intuitve
notions, I haven't been running around measuring wind speeds etc.

Regards

Sukhdev Singh
sukhdev@hpss2.sgp.hp.com
From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: I will buy your gear...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:13:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: mace401.jscott-101192101210
Followup-To: rec.windsurfing
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <149150001@hpindda.cup.hp.com>, kenb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Ken
Brown) wrote:
> 
> 
> > Do you have windsurfing equipment which you just don't use anymore?
> 
> What self respecting windsurfer doesn't?
> 
> > Do you want some money?
> 
> Ditto.
> 
> 
> I've a '90 5.0 North Prizma sail I'd be willing to part with.  It's in
> good shape - I didn't sail it once this year (bought a quiver of Waddells
> at the beginning of the season).  It works best on a Fiberspar Blue curve
> (flex top) mast (sorry, don't want to sell *that* yet), or, I presume,
> Norths equivalent mast, whatever that is.
> 
> I live close by in Cupertino, if you're interested.
> 
> 
> Ken Brown
> 
> (408) 252-0377 (hm)
> (408) 447-3089 (wk)

I'm also in the Bay area (I work in Mountain View) and I have an Aitken
(possibly complete with mast base - I need to check on that) that needs a
good home.

Contact me via e-mail.

Joyce Scott
jscott@adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:21:55 GMT

In article <c=B=wxB@engin.umich.edu>, pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili) writes:
|> 
|> Hi folks!  I read a few articles about excercises, etc. and had a 
|> question of my own.
|> 
|> This past summer, while windsufing on relatively long reaches,
|> my thighs really started burning to the point that I could not
|> hold on anymore and crashed.
|> 
|> This happened several times in high wind and chop conditions when 
|> I was trying to point upwind.  My front thigh was always the one 
|> which started burning.  
|> 
|> Do any of you guys get this problem?  Is there a remedy for it?
|> What could be the problem: am I putting too much weight on my 
|> front leg?
|> 
|> -Payman

Sounds like your thighs need exercise. Try running or bicycling.

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.055332.29183@netcom.com>, jaime@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera) writes:
[Lots of lines deleted...]
|> 
|> BTW, I understand that accepted upwind technique is to lean forward into the 
|> harness lines, putting as much weight as possible forward onto the booms and 
|> down on the mast in order to maximize the waterline, and therefore, the boards
|> resistance to being pushed downwind (and therefore maximizing upwind progress).
|> Using this strategy, I find that I'm constantly pushing off the back strap,
|> while hanging in the harness, in order to get my weight forward, and hardly 
|> doing more than holding my front leg up. In other words, for me, the back 
|> leg is the one that gets tired working upwind.
|> 
|> Any comments on this ? How has this changed (or not) with the arrival of the
|> new course-slalom boards and dagger (high-aspect) fins ? Does it matter
|> whether you can ride the fin or not ? My boards are a couple of years old
|> now, and I'm wondering how the newer equipment is used.
|> 
|> Good luck !!
|> 
|> Jaime
|> 
|> -- 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Jaime Cordera   6'0"" 200lbs                                   jaime@netcom.com
|> 9'4" Bic A. Rock, 9'0" ASD slalom, 8'8" ASD Wave, Waddell Race and Surf/Slalom
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The technique you use for upwind sailing is probbably the normal way of
doing it, but when overpowered you might sail better if you lean more back
and ride the fin. I adjust the front/back foot pressure to maintain planning
and try to go as high into the wind as possible. In marginal conditions you
got to lean forward to stay on plane and use the long straight rails to
maintain good height. When fully powered the fin is more important and too
much pressure on the front foot might slow you down.

(N-555) Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
-- 
//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
// University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
/ N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: moc@bnl.gov (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Excerises
Reply-To: moc@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:20:40 GMT

In article 9320@maths.tcd.ie, mcdavey@maths.tcd.ie (Matthew Davey) writes:
>
>What kind of excercises/weight training have people found most
>effective and useful in building up windsurfing muscles?


I feel it in my forarms, shoulders, back, and calves/ankles mostly.  I do high 
repetition resistence workout incorporating forarm curls, rowing, calve, and rotator
cup exercises.  The rotator cup exercise came from a Windsurfing magazine article
a few months back.  Hand exercises are great for those of us who use gloves for
warmth in these cold months.

Mike O'Connor
Brookhaven National Laboratory
Long Island NY
moc@bnl.gov
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:51:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10731
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <4310536@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>Happens all the time.  The part I like the best is sailing through the
>pain and then sailing is like being in a trance-state.  I think runners
>call it hitting the wall, I've done it distance swimming, too.  Major
>endorphine rush and the smile afterwards lasts till I get to do it again.


Ah yes.  Getting "Zen'd" out.

My friend and I were so zen'd out in the swells on a 3.5 day this
year that we didn't see a small barge until he was around 100 yards
away.  

It can be tough to stay in touch with reality sometimes.

Let it snow!

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Excerises
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:40:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.183229.9320@maths.tcd.ie>
mcdavey@maths.tcd.ie (Matthew Davey) writes:
 
>I am writing as a pretty keen, improving windsurfer.  I would describe
>myself as intermediate (can waterstart, manage the odd neat carve
>gybe, and enjoy jumping as high as I can....) but my arm strength is a
>bit weedy.
>
>What kind of excercises/weight training have people found most
>effective and useful in building up windsurfing muscles?
>
 
Rowing.  If there's not enough wind to sail, I go rowing.  In moderate
weather, I use a training shell (21" wide by 21' long) on a big lake;
it is stable enough that I can handle the chop created by motor boat
traffic.  (They tell me that serious rowers go out early in the morning
before anything disturbs the water; since I believe that mornings are
for sleeping, I'll take their word for it.)
 
In cold weather, I use a homemade sliding rigger unit on a poly long
board and row on the little lake behind my house.  While this rig
isn't particularly fast, it turns easily (important on so small a lake)
and is real easy to set up (less than five minutes from urge to first
stroke.)  When the ise is thin, I play icebreaker.  By the time spring
comes, my arms (and the rest of my body) is no longer the limiting
factor in my sailboarding.
From: wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Gorge Season Not Over Yet
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7522

For all of you Gorge Heads who think that the season is over, think again.

There has been West wind the last two weekends and the water is still quite
warm.  It was 4.0 to 4.5 both days this weekend and lots of people were out
having fun.  You did not need a drysuit to keep warm.  I was sailing in a
farmer john and top and was plenty warm enough.  When you fell in the water
felt warm.

The water is quite low and the rocks are quite close to the surface in 
places like Rowena.  I hit a rock on Sunday and broke a fin.  It was about
about 20 feet from shore in the middle of the launch area.  

They have done a lot of improvements at Rowena.  They have moved in sod and 
planted lots of trees.  They have also finished the well so that there will 
be water to keep them alive next year.

My fin stash is getting low so it is time to get a fin update.  I have heard
lots of peple on the net talking about pointer fins but does this really make
sense for a place like the Gorge where you do not have to go up wind very
much?  In the past I have been using the Dill Thick fins and like them a lot.
Are there better fins of that style today?  What fins have people tried that
they do not like?
From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Subject: EASTERN CANADA REPORT
Summary: it blew!!
Keywords: finally
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: n/a
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:54:38 GMT

For those of you who are not Canadians, Nov.11 is the day we set aside to 
remember our servicemen (servicepeople) who fought and served in the many 
war efforts in which Canada was participant.  This makes Nov. 11 a holiday, 
a vacation, a day off!! And for once the big front came through during 
daylight and the low deepened as it neared the warmer water. Wind warnings 
were issued only hours before and with the help of the great god celluar, 
fence sitters were one by one "toned" into wave warriors...

One and one-half hours later the 4-runner/trailor/4-runner caravan 
arrives at secret spot where "Chuck" from the great Canadian clone/legal 
drama "Street Legal" lives... the waves were big, fat and lazy... 
overpowered  on a 4.5 Xcessvision wave (don't worry it likes it!) one could 
scream up the face of a logo high monster and then kick the tail near the 
crest - totally depower and - at your leisure - step forward and drop down 
the smooth face.

Cold air has more power than warm air for the same windspeed and the gusts 
were trying hard to turn the afternoon into a lesson in physics.  High jumps 
gave plenty of time for the lazy mind, forgetful of that 20 degree windshift 
at the backside of the wave, to correct an over-rotated takeoff into a 
graceful glide.  Some hard flat landings came as a result of mid-flight 
chicken-fever - one so hard that its voice demanded a quick stop to do a 
roll-over bottom check - just to make sure that Mr. Angulo was indeed 
still the guru of board construction. No dimples!!

It got dark  near 5pm and the wind came up, and I was alone so... I must 
wait until Friday the next front connected to this same Giant System 
(born in the USA - thanks!) is coming through.

Did NJ get any wind out of this???

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Hot Air = Big Sails?
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:36:03 GMT

>Should air temperatures
>affect density & thereby sail size?
 
The basic law for gases is Pressure x Volume = a constant x absolute Temp.
 
Room temperature is about 300 degrees Kelvin, whereas a temperature
difference of 40 degrees fahrenheir corresponds to a change of 25
degrees Kelvin.  So, if you hold everything else fixed, 40 degree F
air is about 10% denser than 80 degree F air.  Since force is
proportional to the change in momentum, and momentum is proportional
to mass, the colder air would extert 10% more force on a sail of
given size ASSUMING this denser air flows around the sail just as
the warmer air would.
 
Colder air tends to be lower in humidity, and that also slightly
increases the density of cold air, but I think that this is a small
effect compared to the temperature effect.
 
A 10% change is close to the limit of what untrained humans can detect
(in weight, size, pitch, speed, etc) without making direct, side-by-
side comparisions.  So, this physics doesn't seem to explain the
effect that you--and many others--seem to feel.
 
..Richard E+17
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing