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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Upcoming in June
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) writes:

>In article <b#gnyjl.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Adams, Douglas, Mostly Harmless, Random House HC, Nov

>Ech.  Probably be worth reading, but not buying.

Actually, I take the number of deadlines Adams missed on this one as
a good sign; I think he put a lot of work into this one.

>>Brooks, Terry, The Elf Queen of Shannara, BB/DR, Mar
>>	The Talisman of Shannara, BB/DR HC, Mar

>I've always been mildly mystified as to who buys this stuff.  I know 
>quite a few people who will admit, under pressure, to still be buying
>Piers Anthony, but not one who claims to read Brooks.

Hmm. I know a lot of people, myself included, who read Brooks -- but
I haven't touched an Anthony in at least two years. Brooks's work is
actually evolving, I think. Anthony seems to have just been shuffling
the pages of his old books.

>>Bujold, The Spirit Ring, Baen HC, Nov

>Anybody know the subject?  Doesn't sound like a Vorksigan title.

Could be, you never know. But yeah, just from the title, it sounds 
like a fantasy to me. Could be very interesting.

>>Kurtz, Katherine, King Javan's Year, BB/Dr HC, Dec
>>	Do I want to read this and get depressed?

>"Missa Kurtz, they dead."

Ouch.

Has anyone else noticed the way Kurtz's characters go through
horses? I think she's got something against the poor beasts.

>Hell, I'd even prefer her going back to killing off Kelson's girlfriends.

>>McCaffrey and SM Stirling, The Ship who Fought, Baen, Apr
>>	She is showing good judgment in her coauthors, though.

>You know, this actually might be interesting.  Stirling's Draka novels
>were too determinedly depressing for me to really like them - I can 
>take that Drake/Rosenberg/etc. hardnosed carnography in only small 
>quantities.  McCaffrey's basically a romantic and mostly an optimist,
>so it will either be a mishmash of clashing styles or a pretty good 
>book :)

McCaffrey's been so up-and-down lately that I'm not making any bets
on this one.

--Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
From: orlofsky@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Linda Orlofsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #462
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:13:53 GMT

Dear Mr. Jaffe,

Please discontinue my subscription to Sci-fi lover's digest.  Thank you.

						Linda Orlofsky
						orlofsky@casbah
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: RIP Fritz Leiber
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:29:31 GMT

In article <92252.164714U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>If this is true,does anybody have an obituary handy that they can post?

Information taken from the _Chicago Tribune's_ obituary, wording mine:

* He wrote thirty-two fantasy, SF and horror books.  He won six Hugos,
  three Nebulas, a Grand Master Nebula, a World Fantasy and an August
  Derleth.  The Trib opines that his "most respected novel" is _The
  Big Time_, and that _Conjure Wife_ was called a "masterpiece of our
  time" (1953) by a Tribune reviewer.  The writer also approves of the
  horror collection _Night's Black Agent_ and the SF work _The Wanderer_.

* Fritz Leiber's father, also named Fritz Leiber, was an
  internationally known Shakespearean actor who formed his own
  Shakespeare company.  His father starred as Antony opposite Theda
  Bara's _Cleopatra_, but preferred the theater to films.
  Leiber-the-son acted in his father's company, graduated from the
  University of Chicago, then studied to be a minister.

    "In 1964, Tribune book columnist Vincent Starrett wrote of him,
     'Leiber...was a resident of Chicago for many years and still
     considers himself a Chicagoan.  He is one of the top-flight
     science fiction writers of the day, whose heroic fantasies of
     imaginary worlds have been widely popular. ...' "

* He died of a stroke in Children's Memorial, San Francisco.  A memorial
  service will be held in San Francisco.  Besides Margo, survivors
  include son Justin and two granddaughters.

Sleep well, Fritz.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton)
Subject: morbid thoughts (was Re: RIP Fritz Leiber)
Organization: MFCF
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:11:30 GMT

In article <Bu8342.5K3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ericg@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Eric Chris Garrison) writes:
> Now Asimov, Heinlein and Leiber are gone.  Who will be next of
> the old greats to go?  Clarke?

I'm going to be *really* upset when it's Jack Vance's turn.
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From: clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn)
Subject: Re: SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:13:07 GMT

In article <920909.368448810@derrida.postmodern.com> mcb@derrida.postmodern.com (Am I Not Your Girl?) writes:
>In the referenced article, williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>> If you're into the c'punk thing, "SNOW CRASH" slays.  It's a sort of a
>> mystery shoot-em-up in real and virtual reality, and pushes some of
>> the same buttons as Gibson's stuff, but the characters aren't as
>> obsessed with their own coolness.
>
>But, wasn't that what made Gibson's works so much fun?
>

It was the ONLY thing that made his works so cool.  It wasn't like he knew
anything about computers, writing, character development or plot structure.

					clc

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: How do you know you're in an alternate reality (was Re: Asimov...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:29:37 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Sep11.003440.19882@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
> 
> This reminds me of something I once saw (possibly in F&SF, tho I'm not
> sure).  It was the contest winners for "how do you know if you're in
> an alternate reality".
> 
> The one that I remember implied that the (US) civil war had never really
> come to a conclusion, and that on-going fighting had basically prevented
> any further expansion west, which was thus still controlled by Native
> Americans.  The actual text made it sound like Israel/Palestine &c.
> 
> Any pointers on where I could find the text of this would be appreciated!
> 
There is a book out (fairly recently; in the past 2 years in p'back) 
called _The Wild Blue and the Gray_.  The Native Americans who were 
subjected to removal in the early 19th century to the "Indian 
Territory" (Oklahoma) had allied with the Confederacy and Great Britain to 
fight the Civil War to a draw.  The book takes place during WWI, and a 
Cherokee is sent to France as the first Native American pilot with a 
CSA air corps unit.  The author is William Sanders.

I thought the book was pretty good and fairly amusing, but when I 
loaned it to some of our Native American friends they were ROTF within 
three chapters.  They found Sanders' descriptions of Native American 
and White personalties and reactions to be right on target.  

Haven't been able to get it back as it is being passed around on the 
midwestern powwow circuit, so I can't get the ISBN number, 
but I am sure it's still in print.


--Electric Monk            (Bruce Gaede); 
                            e-mail: bjgaed@ccmail.monsanto.com

"...and then time started seriously to pass."
--Douglas Adams, _Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_
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From: parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Glen Cook's next Black Company Book
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:44:00 GMT


My God, rumors abound.

> I wondered about that too.  Especially since the guy at a local SF bookstore
> told me a few months ago that Cook wasn't writing currently because he
> couldn't make enough money at it, and went back to other work because he
> was strapped for cash (apparently got divorced, is being hit for alimony,
> etc.).

	Glen is still married, has three children, ages 12, 9, and 3.
He has always worked for GM in the St Louis area.  Three years ago he
was switched to another plant 50 miles further from home, and this job
is more time-intense, so he can't write at work.  His two sons are
doing lots of sports, and Glen likes to go to their games, so this cuts
out of home writing time.

>        Given the onslaught of Cook referred to above (all the Garret books,
> among others), this sounded fishy.  I would assume that someone cranking out
> that kind of volume, and finding shelf space at chains like Dalton books
> would be making a decent living at it.  Especially given that bio, which
> would imply that he wasn't exactly in the income brackets of top corporate
> executives when he took up writing.  Can anybody confirm or deny this?

	Glen's best year ever for writing was 1986, when he was paid $30k
gross for six books.  His net was under $13k for that.  He feels if he were
single he could live off that, but in either case his fiction would suffer.
The "finding shelf space at chains" is the big problem.  The big chains
stock Asimov, Anthony, Heinlein, and a few others all the time, but only
carry Glen's books when a new printing is done.  Since new printings only
tend to happen when another new book comes out, his slowdown in writing is
keeping most of his work out of the chain stores.  The local Dalton's gets
ten-twenty copies of his new books, and even if they sell in two weeks,
they don't get more.

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From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew Jude Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:58:34 GMT
	<1992Sep11.155743.18480@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
	<1992Sep13.183907.3214@newshost.unh.edu>
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak10.doc.ic.ac.uk
In-reply-to: clc@kepler.unh.edu's message of 13 Sep 92 18:39:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.183907.3214@newshost.unh.edu> clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.155743.18480@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat) writes:
>>clc@kepler.unh.edu (Christian L Claiborn) writes:
>>>The only 'cyberpunk' writer with a grain of originality in him, at least in
>>>my experience, is Bruce Sterling.
>>Him and, a little less of it, Pat Cadigan.
>Oh dear.  Is Cadigan stuck with the cyberpunk label too?  I've always enjoyed
>Pat's work, never really grouped it with that of <ick> Gibson's.

Is this really a problem? IMHO:

(1) Good fiction is good fiction, and bad fiction is bad fiction, and
anyone who cares about what 'label' some people stick on an author's
work, or worse is influenced by that label, is being foolish;

(2) In my experience, most of what's any good is difficult to assign a
category for, anyway. (of course, there are always notable
exceptions). However, some people dislike this state of affairs, and
spend ages trying to stuff everthing into their neatly labelled boxes.
I don't think it's worth getting annoyed over these people.

>>Sometimes Greg Bear is accounted cyberpunk (tho' why I can't figure out
>>for the life of me), and he certainly has a grain of originality.
>Say it ain't so!  Who's doing the grouping here?  I might have to have a little
>'talk' with the people stuffing _my_ favorite writers into categories.  I mean,
>it's all right for ME to do it, but when other people step on my turf, I get
>antsy.  Next they're gonna call Ellison cyber-chump.  Or Card.  Or... or...
>Larry Niven!

Seems to me that the sort of association you're seeing here is:

Cyberpunk = Gibson imitators
Gibson    = yuck
=> calling [your favorite authors' work] 'cyberpunk' is saying it's
rubbish.

But do you really care? If others are being foolish, chuckle quietly
and pass on.

[There should be more smileys in this. Imagine them at appropriate
points. One per line should be sufficient]

-Matt
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From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Looking for info on STAR MAIDENS
Summary: Looking for info on British TV series "Star Maidens"
Keywords: star maidens
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:34:31 GMT


Hi,

I am looking for information about a British science fiction TV series
called "Star Maidens".  I believe it was made some time in the late
70's and the story had something to do with a planet with a matriarchal
society entering the solar system (or something like that).  Anything
know anything about it?  And are any episodes available on video?

Thanks in advance,

Fred Rice
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: "Lost" episodes of Dr. Who
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:12:31 GMT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

<SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> In a related not, I heard the episode "Tomb of the Cybermen" was
> recently located somewhere...
> Can anyone verify this?

According to those knowledgeble folk on rec.arts.drwho, it seems
Tomb has been found, and been shown on many PBS station across
the US.  (not mine however...ack)  Anyway, it also seems that it
should be coming out on CBS/Fox video tape sometime in October,
along with a release of Shada, (the never shown Douglas Adams story).
Shada has some missing pieces and I believe that the gaps are filled in
with narration by Tom Baker.

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From: ramsey@cua.edu (Betsy Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: B7: Orbit (SPOILERS) (was "Yet Another Blake's 7 Question")
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:28:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcon.1992Sep4.222859.18004
Organization: The Catholic University of America

In article <1992Sep4.183029.23586@u.washington.edu>, Sandra Hereld
<rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu> writes:

>I just watched Orbit, and I am confused - sick and twisted as Avon is
>definitely becoming, how could he possibly say that to Vila, and why
>didn't Vila kill him since he did say it.  I just can't make sense of
>it!

I think he said it because Vila pushed him into it.  Avon was prepared
to say nothing about the incident, but Vila kept pressing the issue.

I've often wondered why Vila approached it in that manner.  What was
he hoping for?  A public apology?  A public acknowledgement of what
happened?  Unlikely to come from Avon, the man who unapologetically
views self-interest as one of his great strengths.

To be fair to Avon, it was Vila who said he felt safe with Avon; Avon
never said Vila was safe with him.  After four years, Vila should have
known that it's very dangerous to stand between Avon and the only way
out of a life-and-death situation.  You're safe with Avon as long as
you're behind him.  Also to Avon's credit, it wasn't he who thought of
Vila as a solution to the problem, it was Orac.

To Vila's credit, he did immediately recognize the danger he was in,
and he did the only thing he could under the circumstances: get as far
out of Avon's way as possible.

I'm one of those people who believes that Avon's heart wasn't in the
search.  The shuttle was tiny.  There was really only one place for
Vila to be hiding.  For all his skulking about in the hold, Avon
wasn't actually doing much of a job of searching, as he should have
been given the precious little time remaining to him.  If he was
hoping to lure Vila out by words alone, he would have had to sound a
lot more convincing than he did.  If he'd talked to me in that tone, I
would have run 5 million spacials in the opposite direction.  His tone
of voice changed immediately when he discovered the true cause of the
problem.  I think that Avon was trapped between his instinct for
survival, which is very strong, and his heart, in which he holds Vila
close.  What he didn't do was take the extra few seconds to think, and
realize that there must be another answer.

As to why Vila didn't kill Avon, that's not in Vila's nature.  On the
other hand, we didn't see any warm moments between the two of them
(with the possible exception of Vila's initial realization "You think
you've found Blake") after that, and the Warlord alliance must have
taken a fairly long amount of time to put together (weeks at least,
more likely months).  I think it can be inferred that the incident
aboard Egorian's shuttle did a significant amount of damage to their
relationship.

-------
   Betsy Ramsey, The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC
            Internet: ramsey@cua.edu,  Bitnet: ramsey@cua
		 Opinions expressed here are my own.
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From: nevin@apple.com (Nevin ":-]" Liber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.drwho
Subject: B7 Quotes file (wanted)
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:25:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I've lost my copy of the Blake's 7
quotes file.  If someone could email me (I'll be out of town the rest of
the week and unable to read this group) the file and/or a ftp site I could
get it from, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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From: pevans@sanjuan (Patricia Evans)
Subject: Re: B7: The Symbolism in It All
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:27:17 GMT

In article <4078@novavax.UUCP> grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) writes:
>Did ya ever notice...
>
>In Blakes 7...
>
>That, in the first episode, "The Way Back" that the Federation
>guards, upon discovering the rebel group's meeting, surrounded
>them in a circle and killed them all. Much like Avon was surrounded
>by Federation guards at the end of "Blake." Think about it...
>
Well, it is hard for people to get away if they're surrounded.
Interesting idea, though.

>And that, all the cast members are referred to their first names
>EXCEPT Blake and Avon. From the start. Makes you wonder...

Gan and Tarrant are also referred to by their last names. 

>
>-John
>
Patricia Evans
pevans@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: CDOMS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Batman:Animation
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:11:34 GMT

I saw the Batman animation series at World Con in Florida.  They
showed "The cat and the Claw", a story with Poison Ivy,  and part 1 of
Two face episode.  

A person annoucing the media program, said they tried to do this series
like a radio play.  If you notice the character's voices are natural,
not cartoony.  In fact, if you close your eyes, it does sound like a
radio play minus the narrator.  

I also like the animation, it reminds me of Fleisher's old Superman
cartoons.  

We are taping the show, so we adults can enjoy it.  Maybe we should
write to FOX and tell them  that 'adults' like this and keep up the 
good work.

Carol Doms
University of Missouri-Kansas City
cdoms@umkcvax1
cdoms@vax1.umkc.edu
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From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Subject: Re: Batman:Animation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:09:00 GMT

In article <92250.162844SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>In article <i630255@pro-smof.cts.com>,
>wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
>says:
>>
>>  The other day I saw on the local Fox network the first showing of Batman.
>>This animation of the comic is fresh in appearance and the dialog is smart.
>>Too bad that they think that only kids would like to see this show.
> 
>I agree, Catwoman was very well done and without giving it away, I must say
>I think the motivation behind her in the cartoon was really neat.  An ominous
>rumor has surfaced though.  A TV critic in my hometown paper has made the
>claim that Fox will be lightening up the tone in the future to make it more
>suitable for children.  I'll be seriously PO'ed if they do...
> 
>And remember, they're showing yet another episode tonight at 7...
> 
>Scott

I have a vcr.  I have blank tapes.  I have Batman.

The episode "The Cat and The Claw", IMHO, was better than _Batman Returns_.
I love the police drigibles!

-thomas				ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu

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up your life.  You can use the excitement."
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Re: Batman:Animation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:29:57 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <i729092@pro-smof.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher) writes:
>  Fox can not lighten up the tone because all of the show are in the can.
>The show "Batman animated series" has been two years in the making.
>Something like 78 show are already in the can waiting to be showen.
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And anyway, you can't lighten up Batman.  That'snot how the creator 
(who's bleeding' name I cant' remmber right now) wanted it to be.  
It's supposed to be dark and morose.

Alex

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From: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: TCI and The Science Fiction Channel
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:27:19 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hi again, I have just spoken with TCI Corporate Customer Service and
specifically to Joanie Salem at 1-800-800-2824 about TCI, the Science
Fiction Channel, and Comedy Central...

According to her, USA wishes to add the Science Fiction channel as part
of basic service.  TCI on the other hand wishes to add it as part of
an extended basic service with a small monthly charge.  They are
apparently in the process of haggling back and forth over this.  Her
suggestion to those who want it is for them to call the USA network
at (212)408-9152 and tell them you would be willing to pay a small
monthly fee to have it...  I would certainly be willing to pay .50 to
$1.00 per month to have this network...

On the subject of Comedy Central, she said she would get back to me, but
several people have written to me that they are TCI customers and that they
have it...

Scott