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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Chevy A/B catch up with FORD?!
Keywords: Engines, Indy Cars, Tech. 
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:31:44 GMT

In article <Bfj-39=@engin.umich.edu> yancm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Eugene Harold Mcnay Ii) writes:
> Here lack-o-knowledge
>hurts, because I don't know if teh pop-off valve is before the
>plenum or mounted off of it - if anyone knows fore sure, I'd
>like to hear...


if you'd watched more closely, you'd have noticed that the pop
off valve is mounted directly on top of the plenum, towards
the front of the motor.

richard
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  1 Sep 92 01:18:07 GMT

In <92243.133308JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I don't like Senna, but he is one of the best. I think he has changed a
>lot since he first joined McLaren. He has learned to get the most out
>of his car and still take some risks. Prost could get the most out
>of his car, but never took a chance. Also if I am not mistaken, Prost
>had a hard time winning that first championship. Didn't he come close
>with Renault.

Prost found it difficult winning his first championship, through no
fault of his own. The politics and sheer incompetance in the Renault
team leading up to their demise were machiavellian to say the least.
He damn nearly won it in 1983 with Renault, and then damn nearly won
it again in 1984 with McLaren-TAG (being beaten by 1/2 a point by
his teammate. I wouldn't say that Prost never took a chance, but he
never seemed to need to take as many chances as others. Senna still
seems a bit kamikazi at times.


>>Senna vs Mansell would have been interesting. Mansell vs Prost is just as
>>interesting. Senna vs Prost in the same team would bea continuous pitched
>>battle.
>The best would be all three in eqaully prepared cars.

True. Is it illegal for teams to run more than 2 cars? 

>I think Benetton will challenge the Williams boys as well, but I think
>Lotus and Ferrari might be up there also. With the narrow tires
>we might find that a lot of cars are competitive. There were several
>cars and drivers that put on some good shows this year. Footworks
>might be up there.

With the narrow tyres grip will be at a premium (obvious statement #3a)
and those cars with the better suspension will be advantaged. This means
Williams, McLaren (if they have it working to their approval), Lotus
and maybe Benetton. I don't think it will close the field that much.
The top teams will be top, and the poorer teams will be slower. I tend
to the view that running on pump petrol will bring the teams closer than
tyre changes.

regards,
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: US motorsport exports. Was Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  1 Sep 92 22:44:37 GMT

In <974@pico.OZ> conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) writes:

>bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug25.173521.708@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:

>: The UK has imported karting, drag racing and stock car racing from the
>: US for start. 

Umm, drag racing, in the form of straight line acceleration runs, has
been around for a very long time. What is it called, 'The Brighton Speed
Trials' or similar?. In the form of funny cars and rail jobs, then yes
that form is from the US, but the 'sport' itself is not.

Is Kart racing really a US invention?

regards,
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 is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: question about F1 point system
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:25:36 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <17fu41INNk0f@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> harmon@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon) writes:
>I have a question about the F1 points system.  I have been following F1
>since 1980 and I still fail to understand the incentive for teams that 
>never score points to continue racing. Do they get prize money or 
>something like that for finishing out of the top 6?
>
>harmon@mps.ohio-state.edu

The thrill of the sport? (1/2 :-) 

Actually, the real question here should be "What's in it for the
sponsors?" The third-string teams get funding from those people whose
names they slap on the sides of the cars, regardless of how they do. Of
course, they may not *continue* to receive that funding if they don't
do well. 

I've never been able to *rationally* explain to myself the reasons why
any company would pour mega-bucks into a third-rate team like Minardi
or Osella. For someone like Marlboro, there appear to be (somewhat)
sound business reasons to sponsor McLaren or Senna. But what does the
sponsor of, say, Larousse have to gain (business-wise)?  TV coverage is
virtually zero. Are they really willing to play all that money to have
some announcer breathlessly mention their name once or twice during the
event? To possibly have the cameras catch a quick glimpse of the name
as the car is being lapped? Or crashing?
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From: markf@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a used sporty car
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:43:18 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gmc@HELIX.NIH.GOV (Gordon M. Charrick) writes:
: Hello everyone,
: 
: I'm starting to think about getting a used car to replace my current six
: year old one. I want something sporty but it can't be a sports car per se
: because my insurance company (Erie) won't cover sports cars and I do not
: want to switch companies. Anyway, I've been thinking of getting a Toyota
: Celica GTS maybe up to 3 years old. I was wondering what kind of experience
: anyone out there who has one has had with theirs and would they recommend
: getting a used one. I'd also like ideas for other cars to look at. Oh, by
: the way, I'm looking for a stick shift if that makes any difference. I
: figure I can afford up to $10,000 for the car and I'd like something no
: more than four years old. I'd appreciate any opinions I can get on this
: one.

I don't know about the availability of them out there but you could give
some serious thought to a Ford Sierra XR4x4. I love mine and British
Traffic police consider it amongst (if not THE) the best main road
traffic patrol cars they have ever had.

I admit that its not to everyones taste but it really is quite a
pleasure to drive 'briskly'.

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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: World or national series?  (was: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.163716.20790@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> Am I not right, though, that the majority of the carbon-fiber 'cocoons'
|> used in F1 as well as IndyCars continue to be manufactured by some
|> company in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA?

Yes, I believe that's right.  I think the companies name is Hercules.
(Wasn't Steve Nichols, an American designer by the way, working for
them before he joined McLaren?)


|> The American worker/designer/manufacturer remains more than capable of
|> building a machine which can compete with the rest of the world.

[ some more stuff deleted ]

Just for the record, I'd like to state that I have a lot of respect for
US hi-tech.  In many areas, the US (still) has the edge over their
"competition" from all over the world (usually Europe and Japan).
I admired the space program (all the way thru the Apollo program)
in my teens, and I admire the computer science technology (both hard-
and software) to come out of the US.

However, in terms of motorracing, I have always had the impression that
the US was playing 2nd fiddle to Europe -- GB in particular -- with
a few notable exceptions such has Jim Hall's Chaparrals.  Apart from
the larger "racing car industry" in GB (in economic terms), many of
the innovations in racing seemed to come from Europe for some reason.
Concepts such as the mid-engine concept, side mounted radiators,
the use of ground effects (venturi tunnels) were pioneered in F1
before they appeared at Indy.  I am not so familiar with other forms
of US racing, but the mid-engine concept and wings took even longer
to catch on in drag racing.  Indeed, despite their impressive
low ETs and top speeds, top fuelers don't appear to be very
sophisticated technically, but then maybe they don't need to be
in the sense that e.g. a monocoque chassis with an engine as a
stressed member doesn't really pay off.  (Computerized traction
control may be a different thing, though ;-)

As an aside, Tony Southgate, who worked for Dan Gurney's AAR outfit
in the late 60ies claimed he had designed a really radical Indy Eagle
(for 68 or 69, I don't remember which) featuring side mounted radiators
among other things.  He claimed (1) that Dan Gurney did not like the
design and (2) that they could not find mechanics in the US who were
able to do some of the parts they needed, so he eventually settled
for a simpler and more conventional design.

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From: sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen)
Subject: Re: David Letterman's top 10
Reply-To: sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:53:33 GMT

In article <183323@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
> For those of you not familar with American television, David Letterman
>is a late night television host.  He's very much an autoracing fan, often
>having NASCAR and IndyCar drivers as guests.  Here's his top 10 shown on
>the Spa EPSN broadcast:
>
>Top ten enjoyable things about EPSN's Formula One coverage
>-------------------------------------------------------------

............................... 10-2 deleted .......................

>1. Just plain fun to say Mika Hakkinen.
>



In case anyone is interested:

1. Mika Hakkinen's REAL name is Mika H{kkinen; the curly left brace is the
   Northern European, Internet way of writing the non-ASCII character
   <a umlaut>, that is, an 'a' with two dots over it - ANSI code 228.
   Similarly, J.J.Lehto's REAL family name is J{rvilehto.

2. Mika is an abbreviation of Mikael, so Michael Andretti, Michael Schumacher,
   and Mika H{kkinen are namesakes. Mika H.'s name is pronounced rather
   like Michael S.'s (NOT like Michael A.'s): replace the aitch with a kay
   and omit the 'el' part.
   If you want to pronounce H{kkinen, try 'Hackynen', with <nen> like <hen>,
   <pen>, etc. In Finnish, stress is always on the first syllable.
   All together now: in Finnish, stress is ALWAYS ...

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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Featured marque at Monterey
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:26:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Could someone please tell me the reason(s) Lotus has never been the
featured marque at the Monterey Historic Races?  I have heard some
stories before, but I wanted to get something more conherent than what
I remember.

alan
From: rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer)
Subject: Re: Bubba (NASCAR)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:51:51 GMT

(sorry, didn't include previous posts regarding stereotype racing people, etc.)

I can't say that I see a real stereotyping problem with racing fans or
competitors.  Although I've got a deep respect for the NASCAR of old, it has
grown by leaps & bounds, not just in popularity but also in integrity as well.
You've got college educated people driving/owning (i.e. Kulwicki), crewing,
and working behind the scenes at the shops, competing with older veterans that
learned through years of sweatty experience.  To compete in Winston Cup, Busch
Grand National (& BGN-North), they are running nothing short of a true,
professional business.  The days of building the race car after hours at the
neighborhood fillin' station are gone.

You've got sponsors ranging from the standard Beer/Tobacco/Auto products to
coffee and soft drinks, food products, supermarket chains, personal care
products, banks & financial services, etc.  The sponsors out there know that
many more types of people are attending, watching on tv, or following the
races than just the Bubbas.

Locally here in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa. (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton),
the local papers have been improving the auto racing coverage.  Sure, the
stick-and-ball sports have priority, but that emulates what people want.
There is a much higher interest in stick&ball amongst the "average person".
Anyway, the papers are now carrying articles about practically every Winston
Cup, Indy, and F1 event (and more than just a few lines in "sports briefs",
thankfully), not just when they're in our backyard (Pocono and Nazareth [Pa
Int'l]).  The 6 or so "local" short tracks' weekly action is covered pretty
well, too.

At several of the local tracks (maybe all, I only visit a few), the races
are often videotaped by either the local cable station, or private production
firms.  The ones done by the private firms are usually aired by enough
different stations that they can be seen throughout the region.  The
advertisements aired during the broadcasts are also very diverse, not just
aimed at Bubba.

I'm a competitor at one of the local bullrings, and have crewed for NASCAR
Mods and BGN races from time to time, mainly in the NE (Va into New England).
Anybody involved has to admit that there are definitely some people involved
in this sport that emulate the old stereotype.  But, you will find the same
types sitting in the stands for stick&ball sports.  And, the majority of
the "junk-yard" types that are involved at the races, are probably more
intelligent than many of the stick&ball competitors, but just aren't paid
near as well!!

Russ Stauffer
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:26:28 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <Btt506.9LD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby  
Vaughn Padfield) writes:
> A pretty good race, all in all. As a side note, did anyone miss the David
> Letterman top 10 reasons to watch an f1 race??? It was HYSTERICAL. I don't
> have a tape, so could someone that does, please post it...ADVthanksANCE
> 

Top 10 enjoyable things about ESPN's Formula One coverage

10. Getting up at dawn to watch coverage of European races
    makes weekend seem really long.
9.  Just crazy about new pitlane reporter...Robin Leach.
8.  Own life gains perspective knowing Bertrand Gachot has done time.
7.  Never tire of Craftsman commercial featuring A.J. Foyt
    telling how much he loves wrenches.
6.  Staying up until midnight Sunday to watch tape-delayed
    coverage of Japanese and Australian races makes weekend seem
    really long.
5.  Sight of garage door closing at speed of light as drivers are
    pursued for interviews good lesson for youngsters.
4.  Never know when outbreak of legionaires disease may enable
    Andrea de Cesaris to finish in points.
3.  Entire family loves to imagine David Hobbs being strip-searched
    at customs.
2.  Still hoping for consensus on pronunciation of Ayrton Senna.

and the number one enjoyable thing.....

1.  Just plain fun to say Mika Hakkinen.


--
  John Steczkowski                            stecz@pencom.com
          "Tune your chassis and gain 100 horsepower."
                                                   Jim Travers
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From: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White)
Subject: Road America - Will there be an encore on tv?
Originator: white@watsci.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:12:19 GMT

The title says all... I set my VCR to record from 4:30  to 6:30 pm as said
in the scedule article posted... and it was not on ESPN then at all so I
only got 1/2 the show... (Yes I am EDT)..  Well is it on again so I can tape
it? THanks a lot..
Brad
 
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: Vancouver IndyCar Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:44:59 GMT

In article <715277710942@c00474-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) asks:
>
>Why was Scott Goodyear in a '91 car?
>
Scott wrecked Walker Motorsports' only '92 chassis at Elkhart Lake.
Maybe they'll pick up some more $$ to buy somebody's spare. We can only
hope so.

Jeff
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Driver injured?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:24:39 GMT

From article <1992Aug24.220028.17797@colorado.edu>, by cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub):
> I thought i caught in passing during something on TNN yesterday that a
> driver was seriously injured in a sprint or midget race in indiana.
> 
> I'm 800 miles away from home without my vcr so taping the weekly shows
> on espn and tnn is not an option for receiving news.  Can anybody give
> some details?
> 
> thanks...
> -- 
 
The driver in question is Dan Drinan, who you may recall from "Saturday Night
Thunder."  He was running in a race in Springfield, Indiana(I think that's
where it was) when he and Brian Gerke(?) got together and went into the wall.
There was a photo of the incident in this morning's Anderson, SC paper, with
a caption saying that Drinan suffered a head injury and multiple fractures,
while Gerke was treated and released from the hospital.  Judging from the 
photograph, Dan probably has a seriously messed-up left arm, as it looked
almost like he was waving to the crowd as he was semi-inverted in the air.
I just hope he has a smooth and quick recovery.

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu


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From: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi (Mika Paakko)
Subject: More results of The Rally of the 1000 Lakes (Jyvaskylan Suurajot)...
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:56:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


Some results from Saturday:



SS 19	"Leustu"	23.61 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	12.20
	   Kankkunen	12.20
	3. Alen		12.22
	4. Vatanen	12.23
	5. McRae	12.33


SS 20	"Ounipohja"	30.54 km
--------------------------------

	1. Kankkunen	15.08
	2. Auriol	15.09
	3. Vatanen	15.17
	4. Alen		15.20
	5. Lampi	15.29
	   McRae	15.29


SS 21	"Vastila"	21.42 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	10.03
	2. Alen		10.04
	3. Kankkunen	10.06
	4. Vatanen	10.09
	5. McRae	10.15


SS 22	"Koivulahti"	14.60 km
--------------------------------

	1. Kankkunen	7.08
	2. Auriol	7.09
	3. Vatanen	7.11
	4. Alen		7.15
	5. Lindholm	7.19


SS 23	"Uskila"	22.48 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	11.05
	2. Kankkunen	11.11
	3. Alen		11.13
	4. Vatanen	11.15
	5. Lindholm	11.26


SS 24	"Savo"		 8.34 km
--------------------------------

	1. Alen		4.34
	2. Kankkunen	4.36
	   Vatanen	4.36
	4. Auriol	4.38
	5. McRae	4.41


SS 25	"Tampere"	 2.60 km
--------------------------------

	1. Alen		1.56
	2. Kankkunen	1.59
	   Vatanen	1.59
	   Lindholm	1.59
	   McRae	1.59

	
SS 26	"Siltama"	14.70 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	7.37
	2. Alen		7.38
	3. Kankkunen	7.41
	4. Vatanen	7.42
	5. McRae	7.50



SS 27	"Paijala"	23.29 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	12.47
	2. Vatanen	12.51
	3. Kankkunen	12.52
	2. Alen		12.53
	5. McRae	13.02


SS 28	"Paateri"	18.03 km
--------------------------------

	1. Auriol	9.36
	   Kankkunen	9.36
	3. Alen		9.39
	4. Vatanen	9.42
	5. Lindholm	9.51



Results after SS 28 (of 37)
---------------------------------------------------------------

	1. Didier Auriol	FRA	Lancia		3.23.25
	2. Juha Kankkunen	FIN	Lancia		3.24.01
	3. Markku Alen		FIN	Toyota		3.24.34
	4. Ari Vatanen		FIN	Subaru		3.25.22
	5. Massimo Biasion	ITA	Ford		3.30.36
	6. Lasse Lampi		FIN	Mitsubishi	3.31.01
	7. Colin Mcrae		GBR	Subaru		3.32.05
	8. Sebastian Lindholm	FIN	Ford		3.32.35
	9. Phillippe Bugalski	FRA	Lancia		3.35.32
       10. Mikael Sundstrom	FIN	Nissan		3.41.00 (Group N)
       11. Jarmo Kytolehto	FIN	Mitsubishi	3.41.05 (Group N)
       12. Esa Saarenpaa	FIN	Ford		3.41.25
       13. Gregoire de Mevius	BEL	???		3.46.10 (Group N)


More results later today.
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