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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:15:32 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Problems reaching .MIL addresses

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:56:21 EDT W. K. Gorman said:
>I seem to be having increasing difficulty reaching ARMY.MIL and NAVY.MIL
>subscribers on some of my lists. Connection seems to be intermittant
>at best. For example, after unsubing one such address, having waded
>through 20-30 bouncemail notices for that user, I got an anguished note
>at my personal E-mail address asking "Why?". When I attempted to respond,
>my (Reply) note also bounced.
>
   There are LOTS of problems with .MIL addresses from our perspective too.
Much of it seems to be related to the mailbridges.  Recently they had to
remove a lot of "foreign" networks from their tables because they had gotten
too big.  There are also occassional nameserver problems.

>
>How does one find out?
>
    That is really a problem.  Since we are on NSFNET we refer the tough
cases to trouble@merit.edu.  But I am not sure that is really their
responsibility.  I sure wish the MIL users had a reachable responsive
help desk (like merit.edu).  However, from the contacts I've had the
mail users care about e-mail and some administrators do not.

       Marty
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:04:38 +0200
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Corrupted LSWCWRT MODULE
              6 Apr 1992 07:56:40 CST from "Forum on LISTSERV release 1.7"
              <LSTSRV-L@SEARN>

I have issued fix 17B-003o with a copy of the LSWCWRT MODULE contained in
the FIX17B1  update. Do not install  this fix unless you  are running CMS
release 6,  7 or 8 and  have a corrupted copy  of LSWCWRT (it will  do no
harm other than waste some of your time if you do, though). You will need
to install 17B-002o before to fix CARD so it can load the new MODULE file
successfully.

  Eric
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Organization: Academic User Services, The University of Akron
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:23:41 EST
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Bounced mail

I have a list owner who has been telling me that she receives tons of mail
notifying her that so-and-so's mail was "unable to connect for 3 days", etc.
She asked for a larger minidisk to hold all that bouncing mail a few months
back (right after becoming the primary, non-quiet owner)...  I did this
especially since I wouldn't even consider becoming a non-quiet owner. ;-)

After leaving for a one week vacation, she had nearly 1000 pieces of mail
in her reader.  The vast majority of this mess was rejection mail.

I'd like to toss all of this junk using Errors-To= XYZ  where XYZ is a
userid that has it's reader purged every night.  This is a silly thing
to do, but I can't imagine getting this much rejection mail every day --
90% of it is truly useless.  10% may be of some value... userid no longer
exists, so delete them.  If something really happens that is serious and
gets purged, we won't know about it.  Perhaps, I should also require
subscription renewals on a 6-months basis.  (There are no renewals now.)

I guess I should mention the list is BANYAN-L and it seems that lots of
addresses are subscribed via gateways that burp often.

It appears that the owner can continue as now or I can try the aforementioned
purge method (I'm really hesitant to do this)...  What are others doing?
Have you seen or experienced problems like this?  If so what solution
have you found?

Gary
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:56:21 EDT
From:         "W. K. Gorman" <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Problems reaching .MIL addresses

I seem to be having increasing difficulty reaching ARMY.MIL and NAVY.MIL
subscribers on some of my lists. Connection seems to be intermittant
at best. For example, after unsubing one such address, having waded
through 20-30 bouncemail notices for that user, I got an anguished note
at my personal E-mail address asking "Why?". When I attempted to respond,
my (Reply) note also bounced.

Is this usual with these nets,i.e., are the admins thereof subject to
sudden flight of paranoia in which they isolate their nets from the world?
Is this a "known bug" in that there is a bad nameserver or router table
entry somewhere? Is there some specific gateway that mail to these IDs
could/should be routed through?

How does one find out?

Please reply direct, or at least cc to me, as I don't get on this list often
due to time constraints.

Thanks in advance.


W. K. (Bill) Gorman
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:03:29 +0200
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Change in the default value of MAIL-VIA for release 1.7c

Release 1.7c will change the default mailing list behaviour to "Mail-via=
DISTRIBUTE"  rather  than  "Mail-via=  Direct".  There  are  two  equally
important reasons for  this change: first, many lists  are being operated
without DISTRIBUTE because the owner  doesn't know about the option. When
DISTRIBUTE was  first introduced, in 1986,  it was logical to  have lists
operate  as  before by  default,  for  compatibility.  But now  that  the
DISTRIBUTE system is  well tested and so widely used,  having lists waste
bandwidth by default violates the principle of least surprise.

The  second reason  is  that the  changes  made in  1.7c  no longer  make
"Mail-via= Direct"  a more  efficient distribution mechanism,  unless the
list is  very small  (thus saving  the setup  overhead of  the DISTRIBUTE
processor)  or very  large (DISTRIBUTE  requires more  virtual memory  to
accomplish the same thing). For  an average list, cutting multiple copies
for local users is now faster via the DISTRIBUTE code, which does not use
a REXX loop and EXECIO for every copy.

In addition, having  two instances of the same function  to maintain is a
nuisance; some of  the newer options (eg 'SET listname  BSMTP') only work
for mailing lists that use DISTRIBUTE, or are painfully supported through
code that provides roughly but not exactly identical behaviour. This code
may need to  be modified "soon" to introduce support  for mail with lines
longer than 80 bytes, and I do not  want to have two places to change. If
and when this  happens, or if the mailing list  processor is converted to
PREXX, the "Mail-via= Direct" code will  be left out and this option will
be ignored.

If you have lists that *must  not* operate with DISTRIBUTE, please change
their  list headers  now to  avoid  disruption when  installing 1.7c.  In
addition,  please post  a description  of the  reasons why  you need  the
ability not  to use  DISTRIBUTE, so  that I  can try  to find  a workable
arrangement for that problem.

  Eric
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:43:10 EDT
From:         Harold Pritchett <HAROLD@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bounced mail
Comments: To: "Forum on LISTSERV release 1.7" <LSTSRV-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:43:14 CDT Marty Hoag said:
>   Actually, I've been hoping that Eric got interested in expert systems
>(and would write a robot postmaster helper...  ;-)
>
>   To get the most "benefit" from the bounces makes it a highly skilled
>routine job.  After trying to find workstudy students to help me (they
>screen the messages to eliminate repetitious errors, remove unknown users
>from lists, etc) I've wondered if would be possible to do this with a
>program.  The biggest problem is the wild variety of input formats.
>Or maybe I just need to ask applicants if they like mysteries...   Marty

I don't think this should be that big a problem.  The program only needs to
recognize the most common forms of rejection mail.  The rest (perhaps as
little as 5%) could then be forwarded to a human for processing.

I'm trying to get one of our AI graduate students interested in it as a
thesis project...

Harold
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Organization: Office of University Computing
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:52:40 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@VMA.CC.ND.EDU>
Subject:      More rejected files

I went through this myself about a week ago. :-)

Some files were outbound from LISTSERV, not inbound.  Because SYSTEM
NETID was incorrect, LISTSERV didn't know where to send them, so it sent
them to itself.  If you transfer those files to your RSCS (BITNET?) they
should go on to PUCC or whereever.

Good luck,
Nick

* NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET
* Dominique.P.Laflamme.1@nd.edu
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:43:14 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bounced mail

   Actually, I've been hoping that Eric got interested in expert systems
(and would write a robot postmaster helper...  ;-)

   To get the most "benefit" from the bounces makes it a highly skilled
routine job.  After trying to find workstudy students to help me (they
screen the messages to eliminate repetitious errors, remove unknown users
from lists, etc) I've wondered if would be possible to do this with a
program.  The biggest problem is the wild variety of input formats.
Or maybe I just need to ask applicants if they like mysteries...   Marty
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:55:34 EDT
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         Michael Harpe <MEHARP01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Netwide deletion

Programmer/Analyst II
Phone: 502-588-6882

OK, I know this is something I should already know....

How does one setup and execute netwide deletions?  Can some kind soul
send me an example EXEC?

Mike
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:53:15 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Getting a new list on LIST GLOBAL
              13 Apr 1992 10:22:21 EDT from <JCLUTCHE@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:22:21 EDT John Clutcher said:
>I'm in the process of setting-up and testing a new list for a user.
>They would like this list to be on LIST GLOBAL.
>This list will reside on our LISTSERV machine.
>
>I received the new list format document by typing:
>TELL LISTSERV AT NDSUVM1 GET NEW-LIST FORMAT
>
>Where do I send this information when I have it completed?

   The NEW-LIST FORMAT file is a suggested format for contributions to the
list called "new-list".  This list goes to thousands of people including most
of the "list of list" compilers.  You send the announcement to
new-list@vm1.nodak.edu or new-list@NDSUVM1.

   new-list is used to announce new lists wherever they exist (many are not
on LISTSERV servers).  Users also use it to announce LISTSERV lists and have
the announcements included in various lists of lists.

>Will this get it on LIST GLOBAL?

   No.  LIST GLOBAL is an automatic feature of LISTSERV.  As long as your
list is Confidential= No and does NOT have a Service= ... restriction I think
it will go on the list.  But maybe Eric can remind us if there are other
prerequisites (such as WAKEPARM entries, being on the backbone, etc).

             Marty

>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>John Clutcher, Project Leader/E-mail Postmaster  Information Systems
>Internet: jclutche@psuhmc.hmc.psu.edu            Hershey Medical Center
>Bitnet:   jclutche@psuhmc.bitnet                 500 University Drive
>Voice:    (717) 531-8682                         Hershey, PA 17033  USA
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:48:40 -0400
From:         Wenming Kuai <kuai@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Regarding list owner

Dear Sir/Madam:
    Is that possible that I become a list owner on your system?
I am from Association of Chinese Professionals which is a non-profit
organization. We are trying to provide FREE relocation information
to ACP members who just graduate from school. This list will be used
as a file distributor.

Thank you in advance!

Sincerely,

Wenming Kuai
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:26:30 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      I give up, where do I find ....
Comments: To: LISTSERV Discussion list <lstsrv-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

  After reading thru the INFO files I have, sending away for updates and
reading thru the newer ones, trying a few different guesses and even
using to LSVPUT EXEC to create a sample file I give up.

  How do I use the PUT command?  I want to take a file on my disk,
transmit it via TCPIP to a list I am now part 'owner' of and stash it so
that others on the list can retreive it.

Scott       | No success can compensate for failure in the home. David O. McKay
Mattes      | President 1951-70, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:39:06 +0200
Reply-To:     Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN>
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Beta-testing for release 1.7c

Due to problems with release 1.7b under CMS 7 and above all 8, and due to
a large  amount of  internal changes  making it  very difficult  to issue
fixes  at  the moment,  it  looks  like I  cannot  wait  too long  before
releasing 1.7c. Due  to conferences and other commitments I  will be away
most of next month,  so we have to aim for a release  date around the end
of this month.

Release 1.7c introduces support for CMS 8, fixes for CMS 6-8 and the SFS,
and rather significant performance  enhancements for backbone servers. In
particular, updates to the "list of  list" (GLOBLIST FILE) take from 8 to
10 times less  CPU than previously, exclusive of any  time spent updating
the LISTS database if  you host it (that part of  the code is unchanged).
For minor  backbone servers,  GLOBLIST FILE  updates (X-LUPD  jobs) could
amount to 50% of the CPU  bill, so this change considerably decreases the
resource cost associated with joining  the backbone. In addition, changes
to the handling  of DD's improve the performance of  DISTRIBUTE by 10-30%
in terms of CPU time, and may  considerably reduce the amount of disk I/O
involved in  the distribution.  A side  effect is  that LSVDIST2  EXEC no
longer  calls  LSVCRC  MODULE,  which  may or  may  not  solve  the  REXX
"Interpreter failure" problem for sites  which have not installed the IBM
fix.  These  changes,  however,  have  introduced  serious  compatibility
problems for locally written extensions  or modifications, due to changes
in data structures and conversion of a lot of central code to PASCAL.

Due to the scope  of the changes, I expect beta-testing  to uncover a lot
of problems, so do not apply unless  you are prepared to do a fair amount
of troubleshooting.  I need a couple  of sites running CMS  4-5, at least
one VM/SP site, but I am mostly interested in CMS 7-8 sites. In addition,
I need one site running the LISTS  database, which I may well have broken
and do not run locally (no way  to test it myself). Thanks in advance for
your cooperation. Note that I have set the 'Reply-To:' to point to me.

  Eric
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:34:35 EST
From:         Rex Bontrager <REXB@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      What is wrong with this file?

I looked at my LISTSERV's A disk this morning and saw the file
LSWCWRT MODULE.  The filelisting showed this line:

 LSWCWRT  MODULE   C1 F          -          -          1  4/04/92 10:57:05

Why are the RECFM and RECORDS fields dashes?  I tried to xedit and browse
the file and got the following results:

------ Xedit ------
DMSITP143T Fixed-point divide exception occurred at EBAD8E in system routine XED
DMSDIE3550I All APPC/VM and IUCV paths have been severed.
HCPGIR450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW 00020000 00E6C0AE

------ Browse ------
DMSFRO160E Invalid free storage obtain call from 0055280E, error code 4
DMSCYB109S Virtual storage capacity exceeded

What is going on?  Any and all insights will be much appreciated.
P.S.  The disk is a normal minidisk, not SFS.


Rex Bontrager
IBM Systems Programmer, IBM Postmaster
Purdue University Computing Center
West Lafayette, IN   47907
U.S.A.
Bitnet:    rexb@purccvm
Internet:  rexb@vm.cc.purdue.edu
Phone:     (317) 494-1787 ext. 256
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:21:15 EDT
From:         Stan Horwitz <OASIS@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Listserv gone haywire

Help!!!!

About an  hour ago,  I logged  into my  own account,  to send  a message  to a
friend.  When I finished that note, I did my obligatory check on our listserv.
To my surprise I saw that Listserv  @ Templevm is rejecting all MAILDIST files
and forwarding them here.  Each rejected file is accompanied by a mail message
that said BITNET@TEMPLEVM had been served out.  I don't know why it got served
out, but I sent a SERVE BITNET@TEMPLEVM  to our listserv to remedy that.  Now,
I  still get  rejected MAILDIST,  and X-JOB  files and  messages like  the one
below.  After  a very  busy weekend, I  am extremely tired  and must  get some
sleep now.  Does anyone have any idea what's going on here?  I have never seen
listserv behave this way  before.  Maybe it has something to  do with the fact
that this system was shut down for several hours today for a hardware upgrade.
Once this problem is fixed, are there any suggestions on how I can send all of
these  MAILDIST,  and a  few  X-JOB,  files back  to  listserv  quickly to  be
distributed?  There are over 1200 files in my reader now so I am going to shut
down Listserv @  Templevm now so it  won't reject any more  files.  Since this
listserv will be  down, please reply to me personnaly,  otherwise, I won't get
the message until it is no longer needed.

Here is the new reject message and thanks for any help.
=========================================================================
Received: by TEMPLEVM (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 1312;
          Mon, 13 Apr 92 00:28:52 EDT
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:28:52 -0400
From:         Revised List Processor (1.7b) <LISTSERV@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Message
To:           "OASIS@TEMPLEVM c/o LISTSERV maintainer" <OASIS@TEMPLEVM>

BITNET@TEMPLEVM sent a DISTRIBUTE job with an inter-server control keyword,
but is not registered as a  trusted server. Job (0950) has been transferred
to OASIS@TEMPLEVM.

Stan Horwitz
Listserv Postmaster
Temple University
Acknowledge to: OASIS@TEMPLEVM (or VM.TEMPLE.EDU)
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Organization: Marist College
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:43:28 EDT
From:         "A. Harry Williams" <HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bounced mail

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:43:14 CDT Marty Hoag said:
>   Actually, I've been hoping that Eric got interested in expert systems
>(and would write a robot postmaster helper...  ;-)
>
>   To get the most "benefit" from the bounces makes it a highly skilled
>routine job.  After trying to find workstudy students to help me (they
>screen the messages to eliminate repetitious errors, remove unknown users
>from lists, etc) I've wondered if would be possible to do this with a
>program.  The biggest problem is the wild variety of input formats.
>Or maybe I just need to ask applicants if they like mysteries...   Marty

Well, it sort of can be done.  I have a LISTDEL Xedit that makes a valent
attempt to delete someone.  Its a little out of date, but if anyone
who doesn't already have a copy wants one, drop me a line.  (To those
of you who already have one, "no, I haven't updated it recently".  My copy
is dated 07/02/90.)  I also have a LISTADD which works on listserv
'Add this person' mail.  Please send requests directly to me, and
I'll batch up the requests.
/ahw
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:11:32 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Database Manuals

I have, and have read, U01-012-0 "LISTDB MEMO", and a very nice memo it is,
telling me everything I need to know to use the database functions except--
how to set one of the little dickens up.  I gather from the preface that I
need the "Application Programmer's Guide", A01-004, which I do *not* have,
cannot find, and would desperately like to obtain.  I've been able to play
with a test list I have (yes, I'm a new listserv-er & apologize in advance if
the solution to this is obvious--it isn't to me!), and since it is archived,
I've been able to play with the database functions.  Our site could probably
use this feature, but it's going to be tough if I don't know how to set up
any other kind of database!

While I'm at it, other memos I can't find but would like to are:
M01-002 "List Manager's Guide"
S01-005 "Maintenance Guide"
M01-008 "File Maintainer's Guide"

I sort of get the feeling that maybe these items never got finished--I hope
I'm wrong.  (I have gotten useful memos from Ben Chi, Diane Kovacs, and Lisa
Covi--I'm looking out for other useful stuff.)  At any rate, if you can even
point me to a server, I'd 'preciate it greatly.  Thanx in advance,
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ken Koester, Systems Programmer  | BITNET:  MAINT2@ERS               |
| US Department of Agriculture     | Tel:     (202) 219-0577           |
| Economic Research Service        | Fax:     (202) 219-1292           |
| Data Services Center             |          (ATTN: Rm 110)           |
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:33:59 EDT
From:         Alton Brantley <alton@CIT.HMC.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What is wrong with this file?
Comments: To: LSTSRV-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
              at Apr 6, 92 1:34 pm

>
> I looked at my LISTSERV's A disk this morning and saw the file
> LSWCWRT MODULE.  The filelisting showed this line:
>
>  LSWCWRT  MODULE   C1 F          -          -          1  4/04/92 10:57:05
>
> Why are the RECFM and RECORDS fields dashes?
>
> What is going on?  Any and all insights will be much appreciated.
> P.S.  The disk is a normal minidisk, not SFS.
>

The way we put it together is this:
1. On Saturday 4/4 (local time) a distributed job was sent which was to
install a fix.
2. That fix, because of a CMS 6/7/8 problem using CARD MODULE did not
decode the LSWCWRT MODULE correctly.
3. Subsequent attempts to apply updates 17b1-001o and 17b1-002o all seem to
work, but the LSWCWRT MODULE, having been corrupted, is not available.

Remedy:
1. Install 17b1-002o, which is the *working* CARD MODULE.

THEN

2. Install 17b1-003o, to get LSWCWRT MODULE

THEN

3. Install 17b1-001o.

That's gotten us back into shape...

B. Alton Brantley, Jr                               alton@cit.hmc.psu.edu
The Milton S. Hershey Medical Center       Penn State College of Medicine
                            Hershey, PA USA 17033
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