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From: richichi@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Richichi)
Subject: Sarah McLachlan Live EP questions
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:10:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I got the "Live EP" from my friendly local record store about a week
ago.

In fact, I got the "Limited Edition," as marked on the shrinkwrap and
printed on the disc itself.

My question is:  Are all the Live EP copies labeled "Limited Edition?"
If not, what's so special about my copy to make it limited?  I guess it
might be the CD booklet, which is more of a mini tour program.  Are
there extra tracks?  Is it a limited number of copies?  Will this be 
worth something (I paid $15 for it)?

Also, although I like it a lot, I was hoping for more of her less mellow
songs to be on it.  Is there any way to get more live tracks from here
recent tour, especially "Steaming" (the version she played in Boulder 
was really good), "Into The Fire,".  I'd really like a bootleg of 
one of her recent dates, of good quality.  Barring that, any live tracks
from the recent tour (I know a live version of "Steaming" is available,
but it's from the "Touch" tour), on CD single or otherwise would be
greatly appreciated.


Mike Richichi, Dept. of Physics, Colorado State Univ.
richichi@lamar.colostate.edu  richichi@wboson.physics.colostate.edu 
richichi@gluon.physics.colostate.edu (NeXTMail capable)
"Eigenvalues, not family values"  --S. Ball
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From: steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister)
Subject: Tour + Album
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:14:10 GMT

Before anyone gets over excited this is a Q not an A.
  I heard on the grape vine that in the spring Kate is planning a tour
to back up her album release. I didn't have a chance to find out where
my friend got the info from but she is quite reliable.
 Does anyone else know anything about this ?

Steve.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:48:37 -0500
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From: LAUREN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU (Lauren Caulton)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject:      Suspended in Gaffa
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

This is the place to ask--what is "Suspended in Gaffa" about? I can
usually, eventually figure out Kate's songs, but this one is too
vague, even for me. Is Gaffa a place, or a substance? Is this something
only British people know?
One another note, have people heard the record by Utah Saints which samples
the song "Rainmaker" (I think that's the title)? They only use the part
where she sings "I know something good is going to happen", but the video
uses her video for the song. Talk about a sampling controversy: audio
and video rip-off.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Don't Subquote, Dammit
From: welsh@newshost.dcs (E.Welsh)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:19:06 GMT
Organization: /home/welsh/.organization
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In article <9211160137.AA23234@whistler.sfu.ca>, Fiona_McQuarrie@sfu.ca writes:
> WHEN YOU ARE RESPONDING TO PREVIOUS MESSAGES, PLEASE BE BRIEF IF YOU ARE
> QUOTING FROM THEM!!!!

Agreed!

> this and here's what I think". A simple line at the beginning of the new
> posting along the lines of "Re: 10,000 Maniacs records" would be quite
> sufficient. 

I disagree. That isn't enough information to remind me what the original
question was. I don't want to have to make an effort to remember or try and
find the original post.

> What's even more annoying is when three or four messages sub-sub-sub-quote
> the same material so not only do you have to try to figure it out, you have
> to read it over three or four times!

No. You start at the lowest level of indentation and work your way up until
you realise what the post is about. You don't read it unless you need to.

> So get with it, people. Don't be jerks. Be considerate of other readers
> (especially those using 1200-baud modems or limited memory capacity) and
> keep the repeating to a minimum.

Yes. Keep it to a minimum, but make sure you leave enough information for
people to understand the context. Posts that consist of "I agree with what
so-and-so said about such-and-such" are next to useless. You have to quote!
--

 _____________________________________________________________________
/ Evan Welsh                                          <evan@ed.ac.uk> \
\ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre               (+44 31 650 5960) /
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:35:47 -0500
From: news@leland.stanford.edu (Mr News)
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Message-ID: <9211190435.AA17528@leland.Stanford.EDU>
From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Re: Reminisce
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:35:41 GMT

In article <andrewh.2.722123291@rosemount.com> andrewh@rosemount.com 
(Andrew Holtum) writes:
.
.
>I'm on the way to becoming a fan, if not a follower.  My only regret is that
>I've started so late and have so much ground to make up.
>So I guess it is possible to become hooked through The Dreaming...
>
>Andrew Holtum

Start saving those pennies, Andrew!  You'll eventually end up buying all
of her CDs, and then you'll discover you're so hooked that you need all 
the b-sides and remixes -- most of which were pressed on the almost-extinct 
medium called vinyl.  The only practical way to acquire these songs is to buy

          THE       BOX      SET

which, for $160+, gives you all six albums that you already own plus the
coveted two extra discs of b-sides and remixes.

That's the way it went for me, anyway...

Happy listening!

-- David.


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:38:19 -0500
From: finley@lambda.uleth.ca (Kent Finley)
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Message-ID: <9211202236.AA24324@lambda.uleth.ca>
Subject: Another First
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Thought I'd share my first experiences of Kate before people tire of
them.  I first saw Her I-don't-know-when on an ABBA (Christmas?) special
shot in Switzerland.  The song she performed was 'Wow' (I think, judging
by the waving of the arms, which is about all I remember--was she
sitting atop the piano to begin with?)  I *hated* it!  But then again, I
was watching the show for ABBA, not expecting anyone like Kate.  She
must have been pretty young then.  Having alerted my piano teacher that
the show would be aired, she watched it as well, and at my next lesson
expressed her fondness for Kate's performance.  Suffice it to say, I
thought she was sick!

Well, some years later, I started watching a community TV music video
show in Calgary, hosted by a local record-store worker.  He obviously
had (pardon the expression) a hard-on for Kate, artistically speaking
that is.  The Dreaming was out at this time, and I remember him
explaining the photo on the front cover, how it related to the album's
contents (and Houdini has been one of my favourites ever since).  The
vids I remember most vividly were Babooshka and Sat in Your Lap.  Not
long after that, I came across a broadcast of the Hammersmith show, and
have been hooked ever since.

Maybe I'm a purist, but I would recommend that new fans start with the
early stuff, and move on from there.  I think it'd be hard to get used
to Her early voice otherwise, and it's an interesting study in musical
(and lyrical) evolution.  (And yes, by the way, I still like ABBA --
cauliflower I can take or leave.)


Peace,


Kent Finley            | 
P.O.Box 2081           | "And all this science I don't understand, 
Lethbridge, Alberta    |  it's just my job five days a week..."  
CANADA      T1J 4K6    |  
finley@lambda.uleth.ca |                  --Elton John, "Rocket Man"
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:12:18 -0500
From: Jozef_Wiencis.LOTUS@CRD.lotus.com
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Message-ID: <9211161928.AA15528@lotus.com>
Subject: Hello
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

First of all, I apoligize if this isn't going where its supposed to but this is 
the
first time I've posted here so I'm kinda guessing at the address. Anyway
I'm trying to get a list of Kate songs that were not on the box set but have 
been released in one form or another i.e. performed on TV, duets with others
etc. What I have is everything in the box set, Don't Give Up, Rocket Man,
Candle In The Wind, Running That Hill (live) from Secret Policeman's Ball
what else is there?

jozef_wiencis.lotus@crd.lotus.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:19:22 -0500
From: news@sco.COM (News admin)
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: Kate/Sexual Orientation
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:15:18 GMT


I am not as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik).  I didn't say:
>I'll
>give you Frankie, but then they were like Depeche, alternative crossovers. 

frankie goes to hollywood were targeted at the mainstream and as far as i
know they never spent any time in the alternative charts before becoming
huge #1 sellers.  shit, one ban from the BBC and any wanker can be #1!
(we're attempting to create a story about our new record being all about
pedophilia in a crass attempt to sell more units, but i don't think anyone
is buying the story... after all, it IS an instrumental piece...)

>Soft Cell I know nothing about...can't be *that* mainstream, can they?

geez, where were you?  "tainted love" was a huge hit even in the US.  they
had many successful singles in the UK.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:58:55 -0500
From: marc@owlnet.rice.edu (Marc Bennett Hirsh)
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Subject: KaTe's Literary influence
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Organization: Rice University
Distribution: rice
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In article <a7303dbf@waltham.columbus.oh.us>, scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine) writes:
|> > By the way, what's the opinion of "Houdini"?  It's one of my absolute
|> > favorites.  Everybody?
|> 
|> Incredible song! Just as "Wuthering Heights" inspired me to read the
|> novel, and "Cloudbusting" inspired me to read "A Book of Dreams,"
  ^^^^^^^

So I'm not the only one. I too decided that perhaps I should read "Wuthering
Heights" to figure out what the hell Kate was singing about. I picked it up
in the summer before my senior year in high school and couldn't put it down.
I may have been the only 16 year old American male to ever have that happen.
An astounding book. It's become my favorite book ever. When my chemistry 
teacher asked everybody in our class that year what the last good book we
read was, nobody would believe that:
 a) I LIKED "Wuthering Heights", and
 b) I read it completely on my own, with no requirement for school.
But I know better. So now maybe I should read "Ulysses?"

-- 
Marc Hirsh (marc@owlnet.rice.edu)

"Now I'm telling the computer that I will share the prize with it if it tells
  me where the rest of the tickets are. (pause) It says, `What would a
  computer do with a lifetime supply of chocolate?' (pause) Right. Now I'm
  telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of
  chocolate..."
   --- snappy end-of-file sign-off quote from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
        Factory, a fun place to be

\ /
 ^ --- ugly red source of all evil, joy, joy
 V
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:13:44 -0500
From: sproles@pine.circa.ufl.edu (SPROLES)
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Subject: Re: Reminisce
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Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4
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John Kortink writes: 
>I never actually bought 'vinyl' though

I have, the first album I bought was the Whole Story, vinyl.
Months earlier a good friend said that I might like her music, although he did
not own any of her work himself.  Bought TWS as an introduction and now that I
consider myself a Love Hound, I still think that TWS and HoL are the best intro
albums for potential gaffans.

John also says:
>I still have definite, positive *chills* when listening to any of her albums,
>and, although it varies, I particularly trip on Never for Ever, Lionheart and
>The Dreaming. I always listen to them in the evenings, with my headphones on
>(which some people regard as a quirk, I think it increases involvement, and
>it's a brilliant headphone anyway ;').

I only listen through headphones!!! (well I occasionaly play some KaTe during
dinner parties, and friends visits.)  It seems the best way to hear every bit
of her composition, her genius in using her voice as an instrument, using
non-traditional instruments, and creating sounds that have AS MUCH meaning as
her lyrics. Woh, it's awesome. (does that qualify me as a Love-Hound?)

BTW, on Army Dreamers, do you hear the click/clack of a bolt action rifle used
keeping time???

>It's so sad there's too much to collect ... ;-)
>John Kortink

That's true, but I think in a way that it's only sad when
collectors do not share their "Finds" with the uninitiated. :)

Gaffans/Love Hounds are driven by their nature (and by her KaTeness) to share.


Judy Sproles
SPROLES@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:45:11 -0500
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From: REWOICC%ERENJ.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU (a virtual stranger)
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Subject:      caterwaul address
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

if anyone is planning on writing betsy martin of caterwaul at the address
i posted a few days ago, don't. the post office returned my letter to that
address saying that the post office box was closed. i don't know anything
else at this point, but will post a new address or explanation if i can
find one out.

sorry about any problems this might have caused.

woj
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:11:00 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Nobody liked Kate???
Message-ID: <1992Nov19.200852.2155@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
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In <9211191616.AA26192@relay2.UU.NET> netwrk!pseserv1!sjw@uunet.uu.net (Steven Willis) writes:

>Folks,

>In reading over these latest Kate initiation stories, it seems like
>most of you didn't like Kate to start out.  If you didn't like her
>music to begin with, why did you "come back for more"?  The only
>thing I can relate this to is when I was a kid and my mother tried to
>get me to eat cauliflower.  I didn't like it then, and even though
>I had to eat it, I don't like it now (ooo, I can see the cauliflower
>flameware glowing on the horizon...).  Or is it more like the
>way top 40 stations and music video programs operate:  saturate the
>airwaves with a particular tune until everyone has heard it 
>2.3 zillion times and buys it for whatever reason I don't know.



As it happens, I loved Kate from the very first ("Love and Anger").  But I
often find that I will hate an album or group the first time I hear it and
it grows to be my very favorite, while I love groups immediately and hate
them later.  Examples are the Cure (but they're not my favorite, I just like
them) and Nine Inch Nails (I'm *so* sick of Pretty Hate Machine),
respectively.







-- 
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*  Andrew David Simchik *  DISCLAIMER: I said it... 			   *
*  a.k.a. Drewcifer     *  			No one else would!	   *							   *
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 13:31:13 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: "As Girls Go" (Re: Gay/straight issue?)
Message-ID: <1992Nov22.183039.15914@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
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In <9211220515.AA04692@syrinx.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:

>Richard Caley writes:

>>Obl. music&sexuality:	I like the song on 99.9F about the cross
>>	dresser (or maybe transexual, I hav't worked it out). The
>>	title escapes me, `As Girls Go'?.

>That's one of my favorite tracks on that album of superb songs.  I, too,
>have not decided whether it's about transvestism or transexuality.  It
>seems that the only line that _really_ implies transexuality is "Did you
>ever keep the date / with the steel side of the knife?"  The rest of
>the song, though, seems to indicate crossdressing.

>In another post, you make some reference to the narrator being confused or
>nervous, and I really don't have the slightest idea where you get that
>impression.  To me, she's bemused, in a pleasant, teasing sort of way.
>"So beautiful - a damsel in distress / not exactly natural, but stunning
>none the less."  Seems wonderfully tongue in cheek to me.

>As a vaguely related side reference, note that SV's manager (and Shawn
>Colvin's, for that matter) is Ronald Fierstein, brother of Harvey Fierstein,
>the noted gay playwrite/actor/drag queen.

>Jeff
>-- 
>|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
>|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
>|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |

This interpretation makes sense to me...I sat down to read the lyrics again
and got pretty much the same impressions.  I'd really be interested in
discussing the other songs on this album, but I don't want to annoy the
die-hard purist Gaffans.  Therefore, we should tag these "S. vega" or some
such thing.

But then again, no one else is discussing anything, so why not?

Drewcifer
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*  Andrew David Simchik *  DISCLAIMER: I said it... 			   *
*  a.k.a. Drewcifer     *  			No one else would!	   *							   *
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:32:22 -0500
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.CA (Gord Locke)
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Subject: First Kate experience
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	[Note: Though I usually read the rec.music.gaffa newsgroup, I am 
mailing this message directly to the love-hounds address, because it's
annoying to post an article, and for it to end up without a subject
line.  Having to mail is no great inconvenience, but if this problem 
could be fixed, maybe more people who encounter this problem with the
gateway-thingee would be encouraged to contribute to the discussions.]  
	
	I'm enjoying the on-going discussion of how youse guys ('n gals)
first got into Kate.  My own experience follows: 
	Round about 1985 when "Running up that Hill" became popular over
on this side of the Atlantic, I heard the tune on the radio and was
hypnotised by that unique combination of the driving back-beat and that
bizarre synthesizer noise.  This was like nothing I'd ever heard before.
And her voice!  Blew me away.  Not to mention the lyrics -- while the
"meaning" (totally subjective, as we all know =^) ) was difficult to
exactly cipher, they just "sounded good," which I think is more
important than them having a deep meaning.  At the time, my interests 
were towards Top-40 stuff, so when this hit it big, the scales fell off 
my eyes, as I was first introduced to REAL music.  Then I saw the video 
.. hoo hah!  In my early post-pubescence, the sight of Kate in this clip 
.. well, let me just say I was impressed!  
	To this day, even though I've since gotten a hold of every
other record (multiple copies at that), Hounds of Love remains my
favorite, and RUTH my fave song.  RUTH also helped to wean me from the
pablum I'd been accustomed to listening to on the radio / watching on
the idiot box, and to transform me into the fashionably cool, urbane and
musically-correct pretentious prick I am now. =^)  I'd say most North
Americans my age got their first listen to Kate via the not-successful-
enough success RUTH received that year.  
-- 
   Gord Locke, a.k.a.    |    "I'm not an       | "The Universe is so big
glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca | Internet address ... | I get dizzy when I think
  Newfoundland, Canada   |   I'm a free man!"   |  about it" -Sugarcubes 
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:55:27 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: kate and sick ideas
Message-ID: <1992Nov17.205448.4002@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>