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From: siu@athena.mit.edu (Olivia I Siu)
Subject: Re: GPA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:46:54 GMT

In MIT, if one wants to get into medical school, from statistics, a GPA of
3.4 or above will get you accepted at anywhere you want.  (4.0 = A)
If you take the normal work load of 4 courses a semester, for most people
at MIT, it's not hard to ace them all.  Thus, it's not hard to get a 4.0
GPA for your studying career at MIT at all, for most people.  However, if
you take 6 courses, even the smartest people here will doubt his confidence
in getting all A's.  In addition, there are factors like working for 1 job,
2 jobs.....while taking 6 courses, 4 courses.....

So, Raymond, I agree with you.

Olivia
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: William's finger program
Keywords: Use everything at your own risk
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:49:13 GMT

G'day folks,

	A few curious people have mailed me regarding my finger program.
To keep my promise, I'm posting it for those who would be interested.
BTW, it isn't my work but is suspected to be that of some good soul at 
Monash Uni(dunno?). 

	The purpose of this finger program is to give the naughty fingerer 
a menu-like interface which is supposed to be funnier. To get the program 
up and hopefully running, just make it exeucutable(use chmod), and then 
prepare you own .* files. Also, I suggest that you remove those subroutines
(finger_header, etc.) which you mightn't have.   

	If it doesn't seem to work for godness's sake please don't flame
at me!! 

---Good on you,
	Bill

------< Begin >------
echo
echo
echo "             *** Welcome to William's World ***"
echo
if test "$2"
then
if test "$2" = "story"
then
        cat /home/willk/Data/.story
else
if test "$2" = "login"
then
        if ( finger_logins | grep since >> /dev/null )
        then
                finger_logins
        echo "  and he is still fumbling with the computer!"
        else
        echo "  He was last seen dragged off by his Mom!"
                finger_logins
        fi
else
if test "$2" = "reserved"
then
        cat /home/willk/Data/.reserved
else
if test "$2" = "mail"
then
        echo "  This is the current condition of my mail. Hmmm! Seems pretty"
        echo " empty.. I wonder are there any kind souls out there who would fill"
        echo " my mail box.. Hint! Hint! Hint!  :)"
        echo
        finger_mailread
else
echo "   Oh no! You've made a boo-boo!  There is no such option and it is no"
        echo "use persisting about it. So, let's try it again shall we."
fi
fi
fi
fi
else
        echo "This is just the menu. Choose your options:"
        echo "     f willk         What you're looking at now"
        echo "     f willk:story   The authorized autobiography"
        echo "     f willk:login   Login status"
        echo "     f willk:mail    My little mailbox"
        echo
        if ( finger_logins | grep since >> /dev/null )
        then
                echo
                echo "          *******************************************"
                echo "          ***     You're in luck. I'm on!   :)    ***"
                echo "                  *******************************************"
        else
                echo
                echo "          -------------------------------------------"
                echo "          | Sorry! I'm NOT on... Gone to answer     |"
                echo "          |            nature's call!!!!!           |"
                echo "                  -------------------------------------------"
        fi
        echo
        echo "                  Words of Wisdom for the day"
        echo "                  ==========================="
        goofey -f
fi
------< End >------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leekfe@eecg.toronto.edu (Kim Fung Edward Lee)
Subject: Re: Ph.D. in Hong Kong and U.S.
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:23:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.221509.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:

>	[stuffs deleted]
>> Normally, TA means full time teaching assistant who cannot be a graduate 
> student.  GA is the term for graduate student working part time as
> teaching assistant.  No person can be both TA and GA.
>
> Raymund (A previous CU TA)
> 
>-- 

	So... How much does a full time TA earn?
And does anyone know how much an entry level (assitant) lecturer 
in any of the Universities/Polytechniquesin HK  can make/month .... 
and benefits....?

..and how much does a Lecturer or Senior Lecturer make? Which 
University offers the best pay? 

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From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Best Singers/Groups in HK
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:23:23 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


  Howdy, my (mixed) ranking of singers/groups is as follows:

  Jacky Cheung
  Priscilla Chan
  Tat Ming Pair
  Dream Theatre
  Sandy Lam
  Hacken Lee
  George Lam
  Leslie Cheung
  Alan Tam
  Sam Hui
  Wong Ching Man, Shirley
  Radias

  It is a pity that all the groups mentioned are disbanded. What's 
  the reason? Is it money factor? Somebody told me a group is paid
  the same as a single singer. Is it true?

  By the way, I think why Leon Lai wasn't appeared in our discussion
  on best singers is that he doesn't deserved it. He may be (ocassionally)
  the hottest pop singer, but clearly not among the best. Well, only 
  time will tell. 
 
  Cheers,
  leo.
--
  Leo WaiChung So                Internet: leoso@cs.arizona.edu
  Department of Computer Science    UUCP : uunet!arizona!leoso
  Univeristy of Arizona, USA      Bitnet : leoso%cs.arizona.edu@arizona.bitnet
                                   Quote : "Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."
--
  Leo WaiChung So                Internet: leoso@cs.arizona.edu
  Department of Computer Science    UUCP : uunet!arizona!leoso
  Univeristy of Arizona, USA      Bitnet : leoso%cs.arizona.edu@arizona.bitnet
                                   Quote : "Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung)
Subject: Re: pretty women, good wives?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:55:09 GMT

leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:

>john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>|> 
>|> >>A clever man will marry a hard working wife. Get a beautiful girl friend
>|> >>and go visiting prostitutes sometimes. 
>|> 
>|> >>MEN SELDOM SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE WOMAN.
>|> 
>|> This theory sounds familiar and I am just curious if it is 
>|> also true the other way around. :)  Can our male netters accept that? :)

>So, what do you think?

>Steven
>------
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Yes, it can be the other way around too although 
I dont think women visit prostitutes.  
Women can be just as cruel in  desiring another male because 
he has qualities that her husband does not have -- 
just as some men look for different women with  different qualities.
After all both men and women are Human Beings.
But I think women are less likely to take the opportunity
to cheat on their boyfriends and husbands -- probably because
society (or Asian society) discourges that behavior in women.

Do male netters have problems with this?  Do you ever worry that
this may be the case?  Perhaps this sounds really naive and simple-
minded thinking, but I think as long as both partners endure each
other's mistakes (mostly it's been the women who have endured men's
mistakes) then there is a chance for that relationship.  Like everything
else that is worthwhile - friendship, career, good family, it takes
hard work and a bit of suffering.  But in the long run, those
who endure the bad times in anything come out with the best
rewards.....

I mean, it is 1992 and you guys seem to be writing this
e-mail from a Western country.  Do you really believe you
can have a good wife, family and many mistresses to satisfy
your every need without your wife (or some of those girlfriends)
reacting to it.  We are not living in fuedalism anymore.  !!!
(I don't mean to flame.)
From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Subject: Re: Contributions to schk from HK students
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:05:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.235707.21575@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_rayhy@uxmail.ust.hk (Clement) writes:
>
>	Postings in schk are (sometimes maybe) too ethical or 
>	political to be there for those HK netters(except some-

Hmmm... Check out soc.culture.china and soc.culture.taiwan and you might think
otherwise :p Actually quite many "ethical" or "political" postings are 
crossposted from the two abovementioned newsgroups.

>	had such kind of experience 'cos I lived alone.) They may
>	not like any discussions on pop singers/actors in HK 'cos
>	they can watch SOLID GOLD every weekend...get the most
>	updated news....And lose the chance to discuss in schk...
>	no big deal!!

People in HK should tell us what's the recent hit thing in HK. Not just
music, but any interesting stuff :)

Patrick

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Re: [music] Chinese television-soap and Japanese music
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:15:33 GMT

     Orange Road music was also in the Taiwanese Soap too.  Infact,  in
a series just aired this year.   In Japanese soaps too.  I heard MI 
theme (one of them) in the series.
   
                                                    -TKH '92
  
P.S.  I can't believe I actually posted twice here this semester...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ksleung@fantasie.cs.ucla.edu (Kwok-Shing Leung)
Subject: Re: GPA (Re: Ph.D. in Hong Kong and U.S.)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:13:38 GMT

leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So) writes:

> I think able workers and high-GPAers are two different sets. They
> do intersect but not much. This is not sour-grape syndrome, it is my
> observation on the guys I met before.

  Agree only to a certain extent.  Yes, I have seen a lot of high-GPAers
who know little other than studying.  But I have also observed an even
higher proportion of low-GPAers know little other than how NOT to fail.

> High-GPAers, IMHO, know how to avoid difficult courses, how to take
> exams, write well-organized and comprehensible answers...

  I believe there are two classes of high GPAers -- class A and class B.
Class B GPAers indeed are experts in avoiding difficult courses, taking
exams, writing well-organized and comprehensible answers.  Class A
GPAers, however, do not have to count on these tricks.  At least one of
my friends belongs to this class.  He doesn't care whether the professor
gives tough grades or not, whether there are a lot of grad students in
that class, whether he will have three finals on the same day if he takes
the course he wants, or something like that.  Of course, he knows how to
write well- rganized answers.  Isn't it a necessary skill for anyone to
survive in college?

  Therefore, I believe your argument can ONLY be applied to class B high
GPAers.  And I totally agree with you up to this point.

  No flame, please.

  Yours sincerely,

  Hardy, K.S. Leung
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From: tasman@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Looking for Fung Ming Tak in UC
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:18:48 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi HKer,
	I am looking for Fung Ming Tak (University of Connecticut) and Ying
Wing Keung (somewhere in Canada).  Please send me an E-mail or pass this
message to them if anyone knows where they are.  Thanks a lot!

Tasman Chan
Tasman@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
P.O. Box 1283
Mankato, MN 56002
U.S.A.
(507) 6255415
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: BingXin (Re: Teacher, Teaching, A Famous Writer)
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:29:31 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com's message of 24 Sep 92 08:33:41 GMT

>>>>> On 24 Sep 92 08:33:41 GMT, yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) said:
Yuk> >>>>>> On 21 Sep 92 15:09:32 GMT, PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu said:
[...]
Yuk> Do you know that P.D. has an oversea edition in Chinese? 

No.

[...]
Yuk> >BingXin is famous for her Chinese writing, not English
Yuk> >publication. By the way, is BingXin still very famous in China?

Yuk> She is still famous, but not as famous as before because she has
Yuk> no big publication for a long time.

I am not aware of any big publication from her. By big, I mean
something like a long novel with complicated plots. All she wrote
were short stories, short poetries, translations, and short essays.
I consider her "Letters to The Little Readers" as a collection of
short essays.

What I like most about her writing is her beautiful use of Chinese
language. If you want to know what I meant by beautiful, read some of
the poetries by Rabindranath Tagore.  Does anyone know of a Chinese
writer who use Chinese language in a more beautiful way?

As to why she is not as famous these days, I believe it is because the
environment that she lives in over the past 40 years had been too
politicized. Almost every article she has written since the 60's
includes communist slogan. When I read them, I got the strong feeling
that she had to add those slogans into her work in order to get pass
the communist party censorship. I see this as extremely sad from the
writer's perspective.

Does anyone agree with my interpretation? If not, what is your
interpretation, especially when you read her post-60's writings?

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

Music is structure;
  it is not just melody, not just rhythm.
    It is something
      that occupies architecturally a certain portion of time.    -- Balanchine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca (SHING-YAN EDDIE SY LING)
Subject: Re: 4 dai tin wong
Originator: cs911364@a01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:13:09 GMT


In article <1992Sep26.074441.20656@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, klyeung1@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (yeung ka leung) writes:
>> I have one point on the thing.
>> 
>> Jackie should NOT been included under the title!
>> ^^^^^^
>> He sings much better than the rest of 4 dai tin wong. :)
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>> --
>> |  Nightingale, love is the cage.         | Yeung Ka Leung          |
>> |  I only would open the gate             | klyeung1@eng.ie.cuhk.hk |
>> |  - let you fly away.    Ka Leung  Aug92 | NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.   |


Totally agree!!!!

Eddie Ling
cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca
From: ctyau@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Yau Chor Tung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Ph.D. in Hong Kong and U.S.
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:52:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cucs5.1992Oct2.135206.7418
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong

cs_rayhy@uxmail.ust.hk ("siu" YEN YEN) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.194132.2870@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong Poon) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.112054.28488@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> b130778@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (MA NGAI LING) writes:
>>
>>>	On a list I saw last week in CU, TA is getting $17000HK/month.  I
>>>know someone who is doing Masters this year, his stipend is almost $9000.    
>>
>>Are you kidding?!  So if you are a Ph.D. student and a TA, then you get 
>>HK$17000 each month!  That is incredible!!!!  I cannot believe this.  Could 
>>someone verify this?  Thanks.
>>
>>Have fun!!!
>>
>>								Poon.
>>
>>

>That's true if someone can get both RA and TA...

>Clement.

I think there may be some misunderstanding.  I am an M.Phil student in CU myself,  but I don't know anyone, at least in my department, can get $17000 per month .  A graduate cannot be a TA here.  They either get Postgraduate studentship or Graduate Assistantship (GA), both of them are less than $9000 per month.  A GA do similar things as TA, but the work-load is lighter.  TA are not PhD or M.Phil. students, there are "employed" to teach.  Some graduate students even cannot not get any financial support fro




m the university!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Ph.D. in Hong Kong and U.S.
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:15:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.152202.5335@uxmail.ust.hk>, cs_rayhy@uxmail.ust.hk ("siu" YEN YEN) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.194132.2870@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong Poon) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.112054.28488@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> b130778@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (MA NGAI LING) writes:
>>
>>>	On a list I saw last week in CU, TA is getting $17000HK/month.  I
>>>know someone who is doing Masters this year, his stipend is almost $9000.    
>>
>>Are you kidding?!  So if you are a Ph.D. student and a TA, then you get 
>>HK$17000 each month!  That is incredible!!!!  I cannot believe this.  Could 
>>someone verify this?  Thanks.
>>
>>Have fun!!!
>>
>>								Poon.
>>
>>
> 
> That's true if someone can get both RA and TA...
> 
> Clement.
> 
> Normally, TA means full time teaching assistant who cannot be a graduate 
 student.  GA is the term for graduate student working part time as
 teaching assistant.  No person can be both TA and GA.

 Raymund (A previous CU TA)
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From:  (Spode, God/dess of Chaos)
Subject: Re: Internet access in CUHK
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:57:52 GMT

In article <80215@ut-emx.uucp>, funnyfin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
> 	How about using the talk program? Will everyone who have an account
> be able to do electronic-talk with us? Or will they get no access to it? I
> always talk with my friends thru internet, that save me a lot of long-
> distance call fee. I have particular favour over ytalk, I once talked with 
> two people in CUHK and two in HKUST simultaneously. I am now imagining how
> the screen will be splitted if more people join the talks....
> -- 

I can't say what will be happening at CUHK, but I do know that IRC chat will
soon be available to HKUST.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: reagan@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Christian deJesus)
Subject: the 4  great whatevers.....
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:42:35 GMT


besides the 4 great sky kings, there are "4 great" groups:

the post 4 great tin wong of films:
1. mmm mang dat (dat soak or dat gor)
2. leung chill way
3. leung gah fight
4. (sorry, i forgot..anybody remembers??)
these 4 are selected by "yut chul horn". (one weekly)

the 4 great beauties:
1. michele reis
2. kwan gee lum
3. gong lay
4. maggie cheung
these 4 are selected by "don't fong sunday" (oriental sunday?)
From: bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ***tHReE LoNeLY hEarTs***
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: uxmail.1992Oct5.185356.14128
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

In article <1aoh3eINNlam@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>If no one minds, I'd be happy to be another host (hmmm, one William,
>one Billy, we need a Willy or Will to complete the list :-P  )
>Disclaimer 1: But, I ain't no expert.
>Disclaimer 2: I don't even have much positive personal experience in the 
>	matter.
>Disclaimer 3: I took Psych 1 in college
>
>Sure, you can trust me....sorta.

Hmm...William and Billy, how about me - Baby?  Trust me?!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`)
Subject: OPEN JUDGEMENT OF A "COLOR WOLF"
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:41:46 GMT


Can any netters answer me the following question:

Assume there is a "color wolf" - undergrad, in a university who sexally 
disturbs girls frequently, is it fair for us to judge him openly in front of
all the students and "dot his face" to the public?!

Or if it is better to tackle this matter secretly, maybe send him to
a social worker?!  And leave some space for this satyr?!

Welcome for any prompt comments! :)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris WONG)
Subject: Re: Stand up girls! Re: Why? Why? Now I am telling you why.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:53:19 GMT

In conclusion, love is only one-way. If you expect to get back something, do
you really love him/her?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: klyeung1@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (yeung ka leung)
Subject: Re: The best pop singer in HK
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:36:45 GMT

eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:

>dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>[deleted]

>>Best Band:

>>1) Da Ming 1 Pie
>Just a query? Have they "dis-banded" already?

*** Tell you the truth, they have "dis-banded" more than a year. :(
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|  Nightingale, love is the cage.         | Yeung Ka Leung          |
|  I only would open the gate             | klyeung1@eng.ie.cuhk.hk |
|  - let you fly away.    Ka Leung  Aug92 | NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.   |
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