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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:01:49 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
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On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:21:53 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> Crontab is a process that will send a file you've created to somebody
> as often as you want it sent.  I think I've still got the file I sent
> to Bernard's caretaker three or four times a day for several days.

To be precise, crontab is a file which contains a list of times and
jobs to be run at those times.  There are a few utilities like the
brithday program which make it easier to use than if you edited it
directly or used at or cron to queue jobs.  Natalies reminder service
is one of those utilities, but cron can do lots of other things as
well, like restarting wedged daemons or purging old news files.

G
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:13:44 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Anglicizing

>                           In her day it was considered correct
>to give English pronunciations to foreign words in English.
>
>...
>
>-Rod

I have always wondered why it is wrong to do that now. What is the
argument against taking an English sounding word nearest to a foreign
name? In other words, why kill ourselves trying to pronounce a word
"exactly"?

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:36:20 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shakespearemus
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>So the ethologists take over the well-worn cliche (she liked
>Shakespeare, but thought he contained too many cliches) that men
>give love for sex and women give sex for love.
If "love" is what it takes to be sure your offspring get
enough to eat, then yes, sure, absolutely.

>Mutate the mucus,
>food for love, love for food, and you've got (les) pigs in
>blankets.
>
>Know what I mean?
Nah, you got (more) pigs in blankets...

>-Mka
judith
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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>  For instance, if
>I suggested you were <terribly nice>, you wouldn't automatically
>assume a meaning of those words not heard in centuries.
>
>G

I might associate "terribly" with Latin terreo, terrere "to
frighten" or I might not. It depends on whether the speaker/
writer is someone who chooses his words carefully and is
fond of dead languages.
Bill "thanatoglottophile"
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:19:11 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: T

>This is confusing.  First of all, consonant or not has nonothing to do w/   <{
>sound.

I was talking about the difference between, say, the s in vision and
the dg in widgeon. Since I don't know the technical terms, I called
the dg a consonant and the s a fricative. They do sound different. I
had practically no fricatives except f till a short time ago.


>           Secondly, what are you saying??Do you say [t'ink]] rather
>than [think]?  In which case you have no [th], so there is no problem
>about where to pronounce it!

It's hard to describe here just what I do when I pronounce words. Certainly
I have no [th]. After all I pronounce something different in its place. I
was talking about my approximation to a [th].

>                            Also, I think it's *really hard* to aspirate
>w/ your tongue pushed up against your teeth--does your tongue push there,
>or against the top of your mouth?

      roof-> __________
                       \  <---- teeth
                    --> \
   ________________|
  |
This is where the tip of the tongue goes.(It touches little above the
bottom edge of the teeth.) And believe me, I can aspirate/not aspirate at
will. They are different sounds in my language.

Essentially, these are the Marathi approximations to the "t" sounds:

       roof  ________|_
                     | \ teeth
                     |  \
                     |

Any "t" to the left of the vertical line is approximated by a retroflex,
any "t" to the right by a dental t ( by which, I mean the above). Same goes
for d. And the aspirated t and d.

Now,
My "the" has a dental d in this sense. (Not aspirated but voiced.)
My "think" has a dental "th" (a t which is aspirated but not voiced.)

Tushar
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:30:50 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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              7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST from
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On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST Akio Tanaka said:
> 6) Queens-Grandson-Theory (Dan)
     got me....I said that?  hmmmmm

>15) Opf (Dan)
    hmmmm....????   a type for 'of'???

>21) I-57 killer (Jim T.)
   that was the guy he described in such gruesome detail....i-57 is a
interstate highway that goes mostly north and south thru most of illinois.

>31) COYOTE (Jim T.)
   Prostitutes'  union/organization....means Cast Off Your Old Tired Ethics
or something like that.

>34) "Middle Ages" (Dan)
   new TV show that had its first airing....sorta like Thirty Something,
but better, and different.

>36) Sour dirt/mash (Natalie/Dan)
   sour mash is a kind of whiskey.

dan
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:23:15 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: prescriptivism again
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:23:52 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> The point is that usage dictates the "norm" -- prescriptions don't.  If
> the majority are using a word in a certain way, that will become the
> "standard" usage -- regardless of why they're doing it or what they're
> saying about it.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yes, but take a straw poll and you'll find that the majority do indeed
think disinterested means 'unbiased' and uninterested means 'couldn't care'
(at least among people who've ever heard of the word 'disinterested' - if
they haven't, they'll use unbiased or some circumlocution in preference to
'uninterested', the which meaning they'll understand well enough)

So if the majority distinguish between distinterested and uninterested
in this way, is it prescriptivism to inform one of the minority of
their error or is it education?  Are you arguing against raising the
standard of English usage in general?

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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:18:46 -0400
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: network mail addressing problem
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>PS Are you *sure* that email address should end in .ac, and not .ac.something?
>.ac.?? is usually the academic subdomain of some other network, eg .ac.uk
>or .ac.it or .ac.nz ...  Those nodenames look distinctly un-English.  French
>or Italian perhaps?  try a .fr or .it after the address?

Thanks for the suggestion -- rang a bell with me -- looks like some Austrian
bitnet nodenames -- I'm going to try that.

No reports back yet from Brown that they could not deliver the Hong Kong mail.

Is the list of ISO country codes on line anywhere?  I'd guess that it might
be in one of the mail group FAQs.  Any suggestions.

--- Joan (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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Subject: Re: clambake pics
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:18:59 GMT
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In a previous article, TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild) says:

>Ruth,
>
>   If you don't know what to do with those baby/baby-watching
>pics, and maybe a few others, they would make a nice addition
>to Lillia's album.  Some day she'll ask me what they are and
>I'll tell her she was at an historic gathering - The First
>Words-L Clambake.
Just tell me where!  

>Any ideas what to fill baby food jars with for gifts?  I just
>couldn't throw the little buggers out and have pawned all I
>could on my relatives who preserve.  I don't have the time
>for jellies or jams.

Around here, I'd just throw them into the recycling bin, and that would solve
the problem.:-)  My father stores nails and screws in old ones.[very old -
mine:) ]  Paper clips, thumb tacks.....rubber bands...buttons...  I've used
then for paint thinner every once in a while.... But gifts?  You've got me.:)

Ruth
thinking.....

>
-- 
Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
			Here Be Dragons
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:35:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

graham writes:

    >Would Jim's students all have defined disinterested wrongly if
    >they'd done it silently on paper?

Odd that Graham seems not to understand the meaning of the word "quiz".

    >isn't it rather worrying that Jim's university-level sociology
    >class *don't* know the meaning of disinterested?

Not nearly as worrying as a self-proclaimed adult who seems unable to
understand a simple four letter word.  Since he refuses to recognize
the existence of multiple or contextual meanings, guess it means his
lexicon is mostly laxative.
Hope he feels better after each purge......

Jim (just say "no" to intelletual onanism) Thomas
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:13:49 -0500
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nothing Interesting Sat-Sun
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On Fri, 11 Sep 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> the rest of tonight's mail.  Then I'll be away from my computer until
> late Sunday.  So don't say anything interesting during that time.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

No chance of that!

-abh
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Re: Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:55:59 GMT
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aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU (MIPS+Toys=Bandwidth) writes:

>>Subj:	Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2

>Rich, my darling,

>Let's name the first child Rita.

ok, but what if it's a girl?

RICHH
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:12:17 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      prescriptivism again

>> Are there a lot of people working at this low a level of "prescriptivism"
>> even in the real world?
>
>Yes.  Always have been, always will be.  But the language goes its merry
>way in spite of them -- rapidly "deteriorating" in their opinions.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

A huge number of people of my father's age believe in a totally erroneous
etymology and as a result use a very strange version of an older word. Now
they have consciously rejected the "correct" form and adopted the variant
form using an argument based on etymology. The word is now part of the
language. Now this, I think, cannot be a phenomenon unique to my language.

Does the fact of their being in a majority make them non-prescriptive? They
have used reasoning similar to what "prescriptivists" apparently do, but
they have changed the language their way.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:43:27 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: College choice

>  This is one of the reasons I chose to go to a small, liberal arts
>  college - the undergraduates are the reason for the existence of the
>  school.  The class sizes are great,

I thought that great class sizes are considered bad.

tushar
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:23:59 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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> Natalie, why on earth would *you* assume otherwise? It wouldn't
> be a "quiz" otherwise, would it??

I would certainly assume written unless oral was specified.   I've heard
of oral quizzes but *not* one that consists of asking various people the
same question while they listen to each other's answers.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:57:17 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      hi from sunny denver
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              Diet List <diet@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu>,
              Gloria Ostrander <ALIOSTRA@IDBSU.BITNET>

dan and gail are in denver, attending LITA conference (Libr and Info Technol
Assn) and willspeak here on wednedsday.

they have an internet room, where there are 5 macs and 2 pcs net connected,
and a dozen or so dumb terminals.  since i wanna connect back to this
good ol CMS system, i have to use a netconnected pc or mac (god forbid
i would use a mac)....to do the fullscreen CMS....anyway, it works and
i read a bit of mail.

best to all

dan (and gail)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:01:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New
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> > I'm fairly new to this list and would like to know if this is a any
>                                                                 ^^^^^
> > topic discussion list?
>

You may discuss any <topic> you want to *except*:
1) Why *ts* is always in a bad mood.
2) Why no one talks about pigs without laughing.
3) Why there are no tripart <knees> on the family tree.
4) Where is Sylvia what is she?
5) Why -abh and -Mka are not speaking to each other.
6) Why love judith is now an aunt-mama.
7) What happened to Aaron.
8) Why <text> is a no-no word.
9) How natalie knows so much about alveolar articulation.
10) Whether anybody ever does any real work around the office.
.
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:24:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Augmentation
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>"'That was some snaguine sensimilla,' groveled Carol, using useful and
>reputable argumentation."

     That sentence expresses exactly why I don't smoke pot much
     anymore.

     Carol
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:37:42 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Economics question
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              10 Sep 92 13:11:06 -0400. <9209101717.AA06184@sics.se>

  >If we pool our life savings and wire the proceeds to Torkel to invest
  >in Swedish debt instruments at the Riksbank's new 75% interest rate,
  >would we get an attractive yield (after transaction costs and Torkel's
  >management fee, of course)?  Would there be significant risk involved?

  Actually - though I understand none of this economics stuff - 75% is
the marginal interest rate, and not the interest you get if you buy
government bonds.

  For those of you who are not fanatically interested in every minute
change in the economy of European countries: the Swedish central bank -
which is responsible to parliament, but not to the government - just
raised the marginal interest rate to 75%, and also borrowed 120 billion
SEK, to convince people that the Swedish currency is not about to be
devalued. As far as I'm concerned, what it means is that my awful
credit card debts will become a bit more expensive next month.
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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              08 Sep 92 14:23:30 -0400. <9209081826.AA00931@sics.se>

  >Huh.  My copy of the book sez Mexico.

  He may well now be living in Mexico, but he is a native of Colombia. This
was widely publicized when he got the Nobel Prize.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:51:49 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Majority and "norm"

>                              You may, of course, tautologically
>define "norm" as what the majority uses.  But I do not think it
>is so that what a majority on day X uses will necessarily become,
>at any point, the "norm" as defined by something other than what
>the majority uses.  If majority use is the definition of "norm",
>then it doesn't make any sense to say that what the majority uses
>will become the norm--it already is by definition.

Like if "majority" is "norm" then it is necessarily "norm" and if
it isn't then it isn't necessarily, huh?

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:53:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Snagine snesmallea....uh, I can't spell it!

   >>     I would like to grovel publicly for giving Karen a hard time
   >>     about "argumentation."  Now that I know it to be a useful and
   >>     reputable word, I will use it every day, preferably in the
   >>     same sentence as "snaguine."
   >
   >>     Carol

   >Ooooh, Karen *loves* when people grovel for her, particularly in public.
   >
   >"'That was some snaguine sensimilla,' groveled Carol, using
    >useful and reputable argumentation."

Can't augur with that.

Jim (dispepsic is when you get Coke instead) Thomas
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:20:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: To
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Re Football.  The word on the street is that NCSU has a good team
this year, having beat Iowa and now Appalachian State (my son's
alma mater)....  I couldn't care less, actually, since I have a
*thing* about pseudo-collegiate athletics (Bah Humbug), but I
just want to remind all you fans out there that when you hear
*NCSU*, remember that you knew me first.
--ggs (resident cynic at NCSU....)
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Family Tree
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>Leaving out most of the details of this sappy nonsense,

>>   |
>> dgtr
>>  m.?

>I remember reading that something like "dgtr" is thought to be the proto-
>Indo-European word for daughter.

     How fascinating.  You can go back to tweaking that villanelle
     program now, tushar.

     Carol
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:44:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
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> Marquez. Originally from Columbia. Resides in Mexico. Has been
> refused visa to U.S. because of political views. Great, great
> book.  Marilyn

Right, Marilyn.  But, if I may make a slight correction without
seeming pompous.....  here goes:  I just taught a class in this
*today* (and have a videotape to prove it).....  His name is
not Marquez, but Garcia Marquez, since very rarely do Hispanic
people use *only* the second of their two surnames (first one
is the father's first surname, second is the mother's first
surname -which was her father's first surname)...  So, he might
call himself Sr. Garcia, or Sr. Garcia Marquez, but probably
not Sr. Marquez....  EXCEPT, the novelist that I do most of my
research on, Benito Perez Galdos, is commonly referred to as
Galdos (which is, incidentally, my personalized license plate).
This,however, is not at all common in Hispanic cultures.  The
women's names get lost after one generation, the men's names
go on forever.....
Please excuse the correction and know that it is because I am
*always* the teacher.....
--ggs (remembering a beautiful film on PBS about a year ago,
_The Miracle_, based on a story by G.M.)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:22:00 PDT
From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      RE: Re[4]: the world's oldest profession

>     Did I comment on what you were or weren't saying?  I was just
>     repeating an anecdote I found amusing.
>
>     Believe me, Mka, when I'm arguing with you, you'll know it.
>
>     Carol

Boy, and she ain't kidding, Mka. I know whereof I speak.

Chris

Hi, Carol :-)
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Subject: Re: Plumbing Woes
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:36:32 GMT
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If the gasket has anything to do with the connection between the tank and
the rest of the toilet, *leave it alone*.  I usually do a lot of our minor
home repairs,. and this is one I've run into trouble with on several
occasions, until I learned my lesson.  I **always* wound bu breakiing
something vital and needing to replace the whole !@#$%^&* toilet at a cost
of several hundred dollars.   
bayla (forgive typose: screen is flakiest yet!)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:51:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Good grief, it's today!
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> >Are we talking about psychoanalysis, or an implant, or a transplant,
> >or all three?
> >--ggs (who has a <joke> for any of the above)
>
> State all three concisely, speedily, and without undue amount of
> irrelevant comments, ellipses, stutter letters, or wakae.
>
> tushar

This is a *big* order (ooops. almost used those you-know-whats).
I'll try my best as soon as I .... uh.... +muster my courage+...
But *somebody* has already heard the stutter joke, I can tell....
Was *I* the one who told that three times already?
--ggs
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