HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot)
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:33:44 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>With the CIA controlling the news organizations around the world, and perhaps
>making CNN contradict the plan if news organizations wanted to check with them,
>the story will never break.

Could you give me any documentation for this?  I find it hard to belive that
any single organization could effectively censor the entire media.  If they
did, you'd think that they could do a better job of it and stop any negative
information about the US government from leaking through the press.  Think
about it.  How many independently owned newspapers are there in the US?  How
does any one organization keep all of them quiet?  A reporter with a good story
at a major newspaper who can't get published can always sell his story to
someone else.  Surely you're not suggesting that the CIA owns controlling 
interests in every paper in the US?  Or do they just lean on people?  What,
anytime someone buys a Newspaper (read - the company publishing, not the thing
you pay 50 cents for), the CIA sends Nunzio and Guido over to their house to
make sure they know what to publish and what not to?  

I'll grant that the federal government does have some control over television
media, which is heavily regulated by the FCC, but there's no such licensing
organization for the printed press.

Please elaborate if you have further details. I'd really like to hear them.

Marc Talbot

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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13179 talk.politics.misc:64307
From: pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau)
Subject: Bohemian Party???
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:46:41 GMT


howdy,
 
   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
   of it' like i have, please email me or post.

  thanks......   

  dome@santafe.santafe.edu


Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13310 alt.discordia:599
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discordia
Subject: Re: Bohemian Party???
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec19.011532.28045@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes...
>In article <1992Dec14.084641.16462@u.washington.edu> pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau) writes:
>>
>>howdy,
>> 
>>   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
>>   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
>>   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
>>   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
>>   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
>>   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
>>   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
>>   of it' like i have, please email me or post.
>>
> 
>sounds to my like whoever told you this had just finished Illuminatus 
>Trilogy and was looking to see who he could get to believe this kinda
>stuff.

No, it's true-check out my earlier reply.

							Dan Case
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: "Anti-Semitism" means anti-Jew
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:36:16 GMT

In article <Bz2CBE.Avr@cmptrc.lonestar.org> jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence) writes:

>I have noticed so poor usages of the term "anti-Semitic" in this
>thread. I know it sounds so nit-picky, but terms are terms. The phrase
>Anti-Semitic is a relativly new term, late 1940's I believe, that refers
>to a RACE of people, such as the Jews and the Arabs. With this in mind,
>the Pope's meeting with Arafat can not be Anti-Semitic. Anti-Judaic
>refers to the religion of many Semitic people. 

You are indulging in folk etymology. According to Webster's dictionary
the word "anti-Semitism" dates back in English to 1881 and has one and
only one meaning, namely:

   "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious
    or racial group"

Those are facts. I speculate further that "anti-Semitism" was
originally a polite euphemism (thus was probably coined by a
Jew-hater). 

-- Brad Pierce --

p.s.
You refer "to a RACE of people, such as the Jews and the Arabs." 

Racism is the pseudoscience (akin to astrology and phrenology) of
dividing the human species into subspecies called "races", supposedly
decisively different biologically. Delusions that "race" determines
psychocultural traits and capacities, that some "race" is inherently
superior to some other "race", that some "race" has the right to
dominate other "races", as well as the political systems based on such
delusions, are a natural chain of symptoms that will only find
permanent relief in the uprooting of the underlying cause, namely a
belief in racism.

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13203 alt.politics.clinton:18670
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Justice conspiracy, anyone?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:32:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: 
: What's amazing is the obsession of congressional Democrats -- and their
: followers -- to criminalize this issue (and several others) by prosecuting
: ideological policy differences under the banner of "conspiracy".  What better
: way to 'win' than to assign unlimited time, unlimited money, and unlimited
: staff (with very limited Congressional oversight) to Walsh drones, so they
: can threaten to bankrupt their targets unless they agree to admit to some
: -- any -- horrendous crime.
: 
: And, of course, it's ever so much politically safer to do that than to openly
: argue their differences in policy strategy with the Administration.  And 
: that's really what this is all about:  in an open, public debate the liberals 
: fear they would lose in the court of public opinion.  If you doubt it, then 
: let's get down to brass tacks: why hasn't there been any such debate on the
: MERITS of the issues?  All that's been displayed for the TV cameras are pious
: denunciations of "conspiracies" and "criminal behavior." 

Gee, I thought interfering with a federal investigation _was_
criminal behavior.  Silly me.

: > By the way, Walsh got two accounts against Claire George yesterday 
: > in our other mainstream conspiracy - pretty good, considering all
: > the hurdles Congress and the President put in front of him.
: 
: ("Congress"?  What hurdles are you referring to?)
: Gee.  It only took how many millions to get a conviction for the heinous
: crime of "lying to Congress" -- I trust Clinton's new Justice Department will
: push to make this a capital offense (if Republicans are involved).      
In spite of your bizzare premise that congress in desparately
trying to "get" Iran-Contra figures, that particular body has
put quite a few hurdles in the path of Mr. Walsh, who is, by the
way, a life-long Republican.  Did you even watch the I/C hearings?
As for your assertion that lying to congress shouldn't be a crime-
should we extend that to perjury as well?  Hell, let's just make it
a general principle that anybody in the executive branch can lie
to anybody at any time for any reason.  Worked pretty well for the
Soviets.

Bill
From: cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: LaRouchians as Fascists!
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:30:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1299600138:000:904
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Dec 11 18:30:00 1992


/* Written  9:15 pm  Dec  8, 1992 by cberlet in igc:publiceye */
/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */
/* Written  7:44 pm  Dec  8, 1992 by cberlet in igc:p.news */
/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */
/* Written 10:10 pm  Dec 18, 1990 by nlgclc in igc:publiceye */
/* ---------- "LaRouchians as Fascists!" ---------- */

While the broadest coalition for stopping the potential for
war in the Middle East is a desirable goal, there are serious questions
as to whether or not it is wise to form coalitions with the 
LaRouchians (Schiller Institute, <Executive Intelligence Review>, 
Food for Peace) or other fascist and/or anti-Jewish groups. 
  The text files in replies 1-3 under this message contain a major 
report on the LaRouchians.

1  History of the LaRouche Cult
2  The Paranoid Style & Fascist Tendencies
3  How Big a Threat - What We Should Do

- Chip Berlet
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: EXTRATERRESTRIAL OBSERVERS' Report to the Galactic Council
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:25:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec10.092231.9422@ac.dal.ca>, 01fortec@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.221953.21845@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:
> <Lotsa stuff deleted>
> 
>>      The REPORT TO THE GALACTIC COUNCIL is the commentary of 
>>      Howard Fast in his regular column of February 18, 1991 in 
>>         The New York Observer, a weekly newspaper
>>         54 East 64th St.
>>         New York, NY 10021   (212) 755-2400
>>             
>>      Transcribed by John DiNardo
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Interesting, but assumes facts not in evidence.
> Specifically: 

It's fiction. It can assume whatever it likes.
> 
> There are a lot of injustices in the world, and ascribing them to a few simple
> motives will not deal with them, nor will it increase appreciation of their
> importance. Our whole history is strewn with examples of injustice, murder,
> mayhem and destruction: this is what we are. Our levels of techology or
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you continue to believe this then you will continue to perpetuate it. I'm
all right Jack.

> civilization do NOT have a major effect on the daily occurrences that run our
> lives. War has always been fought, people have always died of starvation. Most
> importantly, while some of us have more say in the forming of our respective
> governments, those governments still work under the same priorities and
> conditions that the Romans, Greeks, Mughals and Egyptians did a thousand or
> more years ago.

What a bloody stupid defeatist attitude.
 
> 
> Political realities in the international world do not change, and it would 
> be nice to see some meaningful discussion of ways we could manipulate those 
> realities, instead of trying to ignore.

Join the masons or the police force or maybe become a judge then you can
continue to 'manipulate those realities'

 
> This report is simple-minded and meaningless. I hope you do better in the
> future.

*ERROR* Recursion detected in above line.

-- 
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Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
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              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: The Nixon Tapes - A New Chapter
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:29:07 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: covert, break-in, hunt, cbc, foia, libertarian, bush, reagan, drugs

According to rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers):
>Seems that, through a FOIA request, someone has discovered another one
>of Tricky Dick's underhanded plots. ...
>
>When Wallace was shot by his would-be assassin, apparently in the hours
>just after the fact, the possibility was raised that someone - specifically,
>the covert operator E. Howard Hunt - should slip into this person's house -
>which was filled with politically extremist materials - and replace it all
>with McGovern materials.
>
>Why this was not carried out, I am unsure.

I heard an NPR interview of Seymour Hirsch.  He said that the plot
failed because the local police did their jobs and sealed the scene.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagles to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:06:51 GMT

In article <CRAMER.92Dec9175419@clem.Eng.Sun.COM>, cramer@Eng.Sun.COM (Sam
Cramer) writes:
reply-to: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu's message of 8 Dec 92 11:45:42 CST
|>
|>> Be sure and add the writings of Karl Marx to your list and note that
|>> not all antisemitism comes from capitalists.
|>
|>Correct.  Consider the case of Gore Vidal, a prominent left-wing
|>anti-semite.  Or Noam Chomsky, author of an introduction for a
|>Holocaust-denying book.

The case against Noam Chomsky has been refuted at considerable length on a large
number of occasions.

The case of the Faurisson introduction refered to by Dershowitz has been
explained in great detail. Noam did not give his permission for the specific use
of his piece as an introduction to the Faurisson book. He gave a left friend
permission to use the introduction in any way he pleased and discovered the
intended use to late to stop publication. 

The book is published by a leftwing quasi-anarchist collective which accompanied
it with a volume refuting it completely.

The important point wich was at issue was the right of the state to determine
history. This is a Stalinist position and should not be given up lightly. J.S.
Mill produced an elequent defense of the publication of the works of the likes
of Faurisson in On Liberty. Chomsky's adherence to these principles and
uncompromising stand on freedom of speach is very well known and he does not
confine his concerns to defending the rights of anti-semites.

I have seen the Email from Chomsky that Danny refers to, it is characteristicly
Chomsky in that it does not produce a simple answer. He does however produce one
of the most complete proofs ever that Holocaust Deniers are either NAZIs,
crackpots or completely uninformed. Of course it is possible to extract parts of
such proofs and use them out of context such as has happened on a number of
occasions on the net.

Dershowtiz was well aquainted with the circumstances under which Chomsky signed
the petition in defence of freedom of speech in France and chose to misrepresent
them. He also chose to misrepresent the reasons for Chomskys refusal to debate
against Holocaust deniers, namely that Chomsky does not think their case worthy
of being dignified by debating it.


In the light of the above, perhaps Cramer could post his justification for his
attacks on Gore Vidal and Marx.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13133 alt.activism:19558 talk.politics.misc:64120
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: A Letter to the Editor
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:18:24 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <85576@ut-emx.uucp>, wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.200911.781@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hoza@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (HOZA MARK R) writes:

> ]What a nice New World Order.  A world run by the Illuminati through the UN and
> ]of the member nations' armies.
> 
> I read a recent issue of the Wall Street Journal today. It had an article
> describing the current UN Secretary General's desire to establish a standing
> army for the UN. Any thoughts on this?
>  
I understand that Bhutros Bhutros Ghali, [or Bhutros "squared", who likes
to be called Lord as I understand] very much wants a strong UN military
arm.  Since US sovereignty will be inversely proportional to the strength
of a permanent UN military organization, what thoughts cross the mind
of a patriotic US officer who has sworn to uphold and defend the US
Constitution, not the UN charter?  And many more similar questions...

But Bhutros Bhutros is only a puppet.  Who really swings the hammer?
Is the US going down the vortex of internationalism or are the US/British
oligarchy using the UN to recolonize the third world?  Or both?  What
gives?

-Joe Gaut
From: eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: An open letter to Chip Berlet
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:47:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: CERFnet

I have been seeing quite a number of your posts on alt.conspiracy, etc. dealing
with the Populist Party, Bo Gritz, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, and other groups
or individuals which, rightly or wrongly, are portrayed as neo-Nazis, fascists,
cranks, and so on.  Considering the array of political material you have, one
wonders if you might also have something stowed away concerning the late Dr.
Peter D. Beter and the Dr. Beter Audio Letter.  If so, don't keep it a secret.
You are cordially invited to post it in response to my open license distribution
of the Dr. Beter Audio Letter.

Thank you,
Jon Volkoff
eidetics@cerf.net
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #28 of 80
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:19:33 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <3985@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) writes:

>   Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter.  Today is November 21,
>1977, and this is my Audioletter No. 28.

This is really a bit written for Robin Williams, right? (Johnnie Carson's
writers may have had a hand in this as well - I can just picture Johnnie's
monolog....)

>   In the closing moments of Audioletter No. 22 for March 1977, I
>warned you that: "The elaborate war plan which I revealed in

Audience: HOW ELABORATE _WAS_ IT? :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (REACH OUT AND GREP SOMEONE)
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Summary: Foreseen  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:51:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191336.8202@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)               writes...
>This morning, WBAI-FM (99.5) in New York City interviewed Cuba's
>U.N. Ambassador Hidalgo, former Israeli intelligence official
>Ari Ben-Menashe and Jack Colhoun, journalist for THE GUARDIAN.
>They gave this story:
>There is a clandestine CIA front company named Maverick Aviation
>which is buying up Soviet military helicopters, fighter aircraft
>and military transport aircraft. These confidants say that this
>activity has "all the earmarks of a covert operation." They voiced
>their belief that the brewing CIA plot is designed to takeover the
>Government of Cuba under the guise of an internal coup d'etat 
>conspired by the highest echelons of Cuba's military staff.
> 
This is very amusing to me for a personal reason. You see, me and a friend
of mine, who is from Guatemala, where talking the last week about the U.S.
mission to Somalia. He said that it was to draw attention away from this
hemisphere and keep the U.N. occupied so America can do whatever it want's
to in Latin America. 
	I said, "You mean like invade Cuba?"

>    John DiNardo
> 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:46:13 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <HX4iVB1w165w@seanews.akita.com> finneyk@seanews.akita.com (Ken Finney) writes:
>> > 
>> Be sure and add the writings of Karl Marx to your list and note that
>> not all antisemitism comes from capitalists.
>> 
>
>And don't forget Flavius Josephus.

Took a bad rap for that cave thing, didn't he?  :-)

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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13214 talk.politics.misc:64435
From: cramer@Eng.Sun.COM (Sam Cramer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Chomsky & Revisionism: references
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:28:02
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
	<CRAMER.92Dec9175419@clem.Eng.Sun.COM> <29465@castle.ed.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: clem
In-reply-to: eopa27@castle.ed.ac.uk's message of 11 Dec 92 17:11:46 GMT

>>>>> "Keeble" == Dr D R T Keeble <eopa27@castle.ed.ac.uk> writes:
cramer> Correct.  Consider the case of Gore Vidal, a prominent left-wing
cramer> anti-semite.  Or Noam Chomsky, author of an introduction for a
cramer> Holocaust-denying book.  Or Yassir Arafat, who has referred to
cramer> Jews as "dogs", "dirt", and "trash".

Keeble> Could you post references for these, in particular for the first
Keeble> two and expecially give the title and author of this Holocaust
Keeble> denying book?

Vidal:
	AUTHOR: Buckley, William F. (William Frank), 1925-
         TITLE: In Search of Anti-Semitism / William F. Buckley, Jr. ;
         [foreword by John O'Sullivan].
     PUB. INFO: New York : Continuum, c1992.
   DESCRIPTION: xvii, 207 p. ; 24 cm.
         NOTES: Reprint of the author's original essay from National
                Review, with responses from commentators added.
          ISBN: 082640619X (hardcover : acid-free)
 
Chomksy:
	a) Holocaust-denying book:
        AUTHOR: Faurisson, Robert.
         TITLE: Memoire en defense: contre ceux qui m'accusent de
	        falsifier l'histoire: la question des chambres a 
		gaz / Robert Faurisson; preface de Noam Chomsky.
     PUB. INFO: Paris : Vieille Taupe, c1980.
   DESCRIPTION: xxiii, 275 p. : ill., facsims. ; 22 cm.
         NOTES: Includes bibliographical references.

	b) Chomsky's role:
		1. "Gas Chamber Games: Crackpot History and the Right to
		    Lie" by Paul Berman (Village Voice, 6/10/81)
		2. "Denial of the Dead: On the Faurisson Affair" by 
		    Nadine Fresco (Dissent, Fall 1981)
		3. "The Hidden Alliances of Noam Chomsky" by Werner Cohn,
		   $2.95 from AFSI, 147 East 76th Street, NY, NY 10021

Arafat:
	AP story appearing in "New York Times," Feb. 13, 1992 regarding
	Arafat's remarks to French PLO representative in France, in which
	he blamed the expulsion of terrorist George Habash on the Jews,
	saying of the latter "Damn their fathers!  Dogs!  Filthy!  Dirt!"

	[Of course, Arafat also said: "When the Arabs set off their
	volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world."
	---AP, 3/12/79] 
Sam