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From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Thank you for your suggestions.  Keep them coming!!!
Summary: Some great ideas...
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov12.231125.4205
Followup-To: A Question.
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I really appreciate all of the concerns and insight given me by
the net about Hank's anticipation of calls at shows problem.

I will be schooling only at the show on Saturday.  I am only in
4 English classes, it's a 2 part show to which I did not attend
the first part, so I have no chance of winning Hi-point anyway.
(We are in 2 Halter and 1 Showmanship class, with the 4 English
classes.)  I want everyone to know he does not exhibit any form
of being sour (still loves to get in the trailer, is a perfect
gentleman when at the show, stands very quietly inbetween classes
and in the line up, etc), he's just smart, that's all.  :*)

I am going to do different gates than called for, and I am going
to reverse TOWARDS the wall instead of pivot away from the wall
when asked to reverse.  Don't worry...I am very aware of horse
ediquette and will be very careful not to endanger anyone including
Hank and myself during these schooling episodes.  If he becomes
really upset, I will either go into the center of the ring or
asked to be excused all together.

Here's another funny thing, tho...when we are in the warm up arena,
which may be very close to the "show" arena, we can still hear the
anouncer's calls, but Hank doesn't do any anticipating then.  It's
like he knows the difference between the warm up and "show" arena.
I try and relax in the "show" arena just like the warm up arena, but
obviously I'm not as relaxed, and that could be part of my problem.

I'll let everyone know how this weekend goes.  I may do a serious
class or two, it's all up to Hank.

Megan, Larry (who's going to watch me...YIPPEE!!), Clyde his Black
Lab, Edgar my Black Cat, and High Action Hank, APHA, THE SMARTEST
WONDER HORSE I KNOW!!!
From: gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov (Karen L. Gundy-Burlet)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:59:33 GMT

In article <1dr447INNh8r@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM writes:
>I am looking for some input, advice regarding shoeing.
>
>... that there
>was about an 1/8 of an inch of shoe overlapping his hoof.
>

This is good!  Usually shoers are pressured by owners to exactly fit
the shoe to the edges of the hoof because it looks pretty.  I have been
told by both my shoer and my riding instructor that this gives the hoof
insufficient support and no room to expand as it grows.  T-Bar has only
pulled a shoe 2-3 times in the 13 years I have owned him, and I insist
on ~1/8 inch of shoe outside of the hoof and sufficient shoe behind to
support his heel (fortunately my shoer does this naturally!).  Too bad
I have to shoe him in the first place...I would rather he go barefoot,
but he has extremely soft feet.

Karen & T-Bar

-- 
Karen Gundy-Burlet          Computational Algorithms and Applications Branch
Research Scientist          MS 202A-2, NASA-Ames Research Center
gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov    Moffett Field, CA  94035-1000
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Need help with my first horse
Date: 7 Nov 1992 18:18:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Here are some more places that have reasonably priced blankets:

Pauls Harness Shop: (419) 445-0055  (they have a really nice 
    catalog and sell quality products for a reasonable price
    AND are very quick in sending your order out)
Wilsun: (800) 942-5567 (deal strictly with horse clothing)
Dover Saddlery: (800) 989-1500  (I wish I were a millionaire
   so I could buy one of everything in their catalog.  I
   buy all leather items from them and most of my sheets &
   blankets)
United Vet Equine: (800) 328-6652  (I have ordered blankets
   from them in the past and have no complaints.  They are one
   of the lowest priced tack stores I have dealt with.  Quality
   wise they are ok)

Bye
Sonja
From: betsy@vesuvius.esd.sgi.com (Betsy Zeller)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dick Francis
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:37:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Is anyone else watching "The Racing Game", on Fridays nights 
PBS, channel 54 around here (N. California)? This is a series of six
stories based on a character from  the Dick Francis novels, and is
very well done. Tonight is the third story. 

Betsy Zeller
betsy@sgi.com
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: tail rubbing
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:30:00 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov4.214310.28494@cbnews.cb.att.com>, kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber) writes:
> Does anyone out there have some advice on causes/prevention of tail
> rubbing?  Daleilah started rubbing the top (base) of her tail several
> weeks ago.  At first I couldn't find any cause.  She is wormed
> regularly, and she is kept clean.  About two weeks ago, I noticed that
> the underside of her tail (where it is hairless) was rough (scabby?), with
> lighter patches of skin.  Since I had never inspected her tail so closely before
> she started rubbing it, I don't know if the lighter patches of skin are
> new.  I've experimented with using an anti-itch cream or witch hazel
> on the underside of her tail, and conditioner on the upperside of her
> tail to minimize the hair breakage when she rubs.  The situation is
> not getting any worse, and the roughness may even be clearing up, but
> she is still rubbing - and I still don't know the cause.  Does this sound
> familiar to anyone?
> 
> Kathy Wilber and Daleilah
> att!mvp03!kw

You need something more than the witchhazel on her tail.  Try getting some
betadineolution and wiping the underside down with that.  Sounds like she
either has some paracites or some fungal infection.  It might be the same
thing we've had here with Amy's gelding.  Amy used some Shakley stuff that
worked just great and cleared Beau's rash and Quality's rain rot up right
away.

Sue
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:23:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

To board or not to board, that was the question, wasn't it?

I have never yet been in a position to keep a horse on my own land,
and someday I'd like to be in a position to try it, but it isn't 
even remotely a possibility in Southern California.  I can't even
afford a condo, let alone a house, let alone land!  And, being
on my own, I'd have serious doubts about trying it, even if I lived
somewhere I could afford it.  I think it is crucial to have someone
who can act as backup at times you MUST be out of town or are 
otherwise incapacitated.  And, you must be willing to be absolutely
tied to the place most of the time.  I don't think that being unwilling
or unable to do so should disqualify you from horse-ownership!

Also, for a person who is seriously interested in training and
competition, it is often quite an advantage to board where your
trainer trains.  You have access to all kinds of facilities you'd
have to do without at home.  You have access to the trainer's 
(and other boarders' ) experience and expertise.  You can often
cease worrying about things like ordering feed and scheduling
the shoer and concentrate on your relationship with your horse
or horses.

Furthermore, there are plenty of VERY good boarding barns, and this
has been true in all of the places I have lived.  Granted, they may be
the more expensive places, but they do exist.  In many cases they
can provide better care than I, with a full time job, could have
provided -- I couldn't have been there all the time, would be hard
pressed to drag and water arenas twice daily, feed lunch in the 
early afternoons, etc.

It all depends upon what YOU want out of horse ownership. 

A first time horse owner without a whole lot of stable management
experience would be best served to do a stint as a working student
at a good barn, or otherwise find some way to get some insight into
both the daily workings and crisis handling strategies of a
knowledgeable person before launching off on their own.

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Just bought first horse
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:02:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Congrats Dave! May you and Sam have many fun times together!

From Sonja
     Kai
     & Feathers
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: "Rain Scald"?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 02:44:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.181959.2043@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton) writes:

>rash) that my horse had a couple of months ago. You can get rid of it, but
>it may take a while - there is no miracle lotion that will clear it up
>overnight (at least not that I know of). 
>

I managed to get rid of it from my horse reasonably quickly. Fortunately
I managed to catch it really early. I washed the whole horse with a
medicated shampoo, paying particular attention to the affected area,
then I put a liberal quantity of prednaderm over the area and renewed
it every day for a week. After thatn no more sign of infection and
I haven't seen any sign of it for 12 months.

BTW, Francis, your GIF, maxpony1.gif is now in my ftp area where
anyone can get it. I can't remember right now if I told you that
before. I have a vague memory of doing so but I'm not certain.!



-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:58:50 GMT
Subject: Horse Wanted
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


A friend of mine is looking for a horse.  If you
know of one that fits the description below,
send me mail, and I'll get the information to her.

Location:  Driving distance of Loveland CO.
           She's looking all around Colorado and Wyoming right now.

Horse characteristics in order of importance. ie. If your horse fails
the first one, don't read any further.

Soundness:  Horse must be perfectly sound.
            X-rays will be taken.
            She's had bad experiences with 3 horses that looked
                 ok, but failed the vet test.

Manners:    Perfect
            Again, horses came to her that supposedly were good
                mannered, but when the drugs wore off, turned out
                bad.
            While the horse will be hers, there are young kids 
                around that will be doing some of the handling.

Training:   Some training is required.
            She'll be doing low level dressage and jumping.
            
Conformation: Not too tall. 15.2 to 16 hands perferred.
              Conformation adaquate for dressage and jumping.

Breed:      Most anything except Arab.
            She was raised with Arabs and loves mine, but
                doesn't want one for herself right now.

Age:        Again, most any age is acceptable.
            Should be old enough to have a good attitude on life.

Price:      She's willing to pay what the horse is worth, and
            is good at dealing.  She takes advice from her trainers,
            vets, and farriers.

Wendy
wendy@fc.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: "Rain Scald"?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:34:38 GMT

Hello Everyone!

Just want to thank everyone who replied to my Rain Scald question and to
let you know what happened with the vet check. I'm posting a copy of the
reply I sent to E-mail replies. Thank you all!!!

*****************

Thanks for your reply and concern, I really appreciate the helpfulness
of the folks on the net. ;-)

I had the vet come out on Saturday and we spent about an hour shaving
the winter coat over the spot (he's an 18.5 month old Morgan with a
"real" winter coat!). It took 3 doses of Rompun before we were thru.
This spot really must have hurt him, he's not usually jumpy and actually
enjoys a good hard "scratch" with a rubber curry. He didn't want us
touching it at all.

Once we got down were we could see, the vet said he didn't think it
looked like rain rot (or whatever the correct name is) but that there
was a definite skin infection possibly from a puncture wound. He gave me
something called "Quick Body Wash" which is an anti-fungal and
anti-bacterial concentrate to mix with water and apply with a sponge for
5 days. Larry, the vet, suggested it would be best to let the solution
run down his sides on both sides as this stuff tends to spread and that

would kill anything below the current infection. I'm also applying it to
any suspicious spots anywhere else on his body. He's not real happy
about the wet sponge but I think it's more the cold water (no hot water
at our facility ;-( ) and the water trickling down his sides that he
dislikes. I'm being very gentle but thorough. Actually, the vet thought
it looked more like a fungus than bacteria. Best of all (in a way) we
didn't get the rain we were expecting and it looks like it will be cold
but clear for the next week. He looks a little strange with his bare
spot on his back (bigger than my hand with all fingers spread out) but
I'm fairly confident that this treatment should do the trick. Lots of
confidence in my vet!

Side note: while he was tranqued I had Larry clean his sheath and even
after 3 shots he still tried to kick at him! He said, "for his size, he

should be practically laying on the ground. He must be a tough guy!"
Well, these Morgans have a reputation for being hardy! ;-)

Thank you ALL!

Diane and Dancer (slightly bald Morgan colt),
and Spring (Dancer mother who couldn't care less!)

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Subject: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:55:05 GMT

Question for readers:

I'm wondering what people out there do to their horses legs
after a workout. I recently moved to a new barn - hunter/jumper,
and everyone there uses at least standing wraps after jumping.
I've seen them use a variety of poultices, linaments, braces
as well.  I come from the old school, which does a minimum - I like
to hose legs after a workout, but thats about it. 
Everyone at the new barn is amazed that my horse is so sound
without all this fuss. 
I am missing something - does this stuff really do something,
or just make the owner feel better?

thanks - looking forward to your opinions.

(A related question - what do you folks put on legs when riding?)

Lynn Pfau
AT&T, Naperville IL
ihlpe!pfau
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Rain Scald Update
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:07:17 GMT

Just an update to my original message to let those of you who care,
know what has happened with my colt.

Yesterday Wednesday his skin was back to it's normal dark color and
there were a few small nodules, but they are shrinking. I have stopped
the daily soaking and am now applying a thin coat of anti-bacterial
ointment to the spot, at least through the weekend. After that, we'll
see. But for now, it looks like things are going to be OK.

He's not as touching about the area either. So I'm thinking positively!

Thanks for your concern,

Diane

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.195505.25509@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:
>Question for readers:
>
>I'm wondering what people out there do to their horses legs
>after a workout. I recently moved to a new barn - hunter/jumper,
>and everyone there uses at least standing wraps after jumping.
>I've seen them use a variety of poultices, linaments, braces
>as well.  I come from the old school, which does a minimum - I like
>to hose legs after a workout, but thats about it. 
>Everyone at the new barn is amazed that my horse is so sound
>without all this fuss. 
>I am missing something - does this stuff really do something,
>or just make the owner feel better?
>
>thanks - looking forward to your opinions.
>
>(A related question - what do you folks put on legs when riding?)
>
>Lynn Pfau
>AT&T, Naperville IL
>ihlpe!pfau


Hmm.  At my barn, no one puts anything on their horses legs after
working them unless they are treating an injury.  Even hosing down
is only done if the horse has a tendancy to stock up (which Daleilah
did when I first got her, but which went away after she got used to
regular work).  All the horses are sound except those suffering from
pre-existing conditions (e.g.: the two ex-race horses both have problems
from their track days).  During work, some people put various working
boots on if they are jumping or asking for strong extension, to protect
legs from jumps or from being struck by the back hoof.  I use the
velcro-attach shin boots when working Daleilah over raised rails or jumps. 
(Not sure if I need to, but it seems a kindness!)  All the horses at
my barn get regular turn-out, so working them is not a sudden stress on
their legs.  Maybe there is a difference if horses are stalled all the
time except when worked.

Kathy Wilber and Daleilah.

P.S. and a completely different topic, for those readers who remember my
early saga with Daleilah's bolting:

You may recall she panicked at the sight of a crop when ridden indoors, and
also that she had been worked by her previous owners in a Uxeter with curb
chain, and would rush uncontrollably in a snaffle.  I put her in an
Uxeter with curb chain, and stopped carrying a crop, except for a couple
sessions working with her to get over her fear under controlled conditions.
A few months of working with her have passed...  Last night I put her back in
her snaffle, and carried a crop for the whole 1-1/2 hour session, and
had an absolutely beautiful, energetic but controlled ride.  Several times 
I deliberatley swung the crop near her face, and never got any worse reaction
than a one-heartbeat-long tensing.  Collection, extension, beautifully
balanced and controlled cantering, small jumps... and a happy and relaxed
horse.  Progress! Hurray!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: Rain rot (was Rain Scald)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:56:03 GMT

When one of our horses starts to show any sign of
rain rot, we spray her with apple cider vinegar until 
her back is pretty well soaked.  It clears right up
without any scabbing or hair loss if you catch it
soon enough. Just run your hand across the back
daily and you can feel the bumps.  This usually 
only happens if the horses are out in the rain for
a few days.  You can spray the vinegar on while
they are wet, and it seems to help prevent any
problems.

--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409
From: jabarano@crdec6.apgea.army.mil (Joseph A. Baranoski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:52:28 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Please remove me from your mailing list. Thanks.
From: VBENJAM@uga.cc.uga.edu (Virginia Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Halla, horse of the century
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:42:22 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Thanks to the book ADAM'S TASK: Calling animals by name by Vicki Hearne (New
York, Knopf, 1986) I had read about Halla before and so anticipated what you
were going to share with us...but your account was even more detailed than
Hearne's and shows in a dramatic fashion the undisputable bond between the
mare and her rider.
As I recall Hearne described the mare as super-sensitive and before Winkler
had not found a rider who could harmonize with her temperament...
I would like to take this opportunity to recommend Hearne's book without
reservation as one of the very best books I have read on the human-animal
communication process (project, problem...take your pick). Hearne is actually
a poet/writer/novelist and also a dog-trainer and a horse-trainer. Maybe I
do have one little comment about the book (not really a reservation): if you
find yourself having to read and reread her sections on ethics and philosophy
don't let yourself get bogged down...skip ahead to her descriptions of human-
animal interactions (the Halla/Winkler case is just one) and her points may
become clearer. It is not what I would call an "easy read" but the basis for
her persuasions become clearer when you read her training cases...and the
way she tries to break down the training problems that are brought to her is
really awesome...really trying to get into the mind of the animal and build
the relationship from that perspective (which in the early 80s may not have
been that typical...and I believe does relate and is similar to   resistance-
free training principles that have developed in the late 80s, early 90s).
I think this is truly one of the most enlightening books on human/animal
relationships I have ever read...


virginia
athens, ga.
From: rebecca@pyramid.unr.edu (Rebecca Hayhurst)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: rebecca@pyramid.unr.edu (Rebecca Hayhurst)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <9211091513.aa07079@cbda6.apgea.army.mil> equestrians@world.std.com writes:
>What do you all do to feed older horses?  I help care for a 30 yr
>old Thoroughbred.  Last month, the owner hired a new person to
>take care of the horse and she changed his feed.  
>.............
>It seemed better to me to keep the horse on the easily digested
>pelleted feed, but the new caretaker doesn't think so.  Does anyone
>have any other suggestions to put weight on?  She did start adding
>1/4 cup vegetable oil to the sweet feed.
>
>Paulette & Nipper
I care for a 36yr old quarter horse that was pretty much starved to
death when I got him.  Bucky has only a few teeth left ( not enough to
chew up hay or alfalfa) and does wonderfully on the following 3x a day.

A 2 1/2 lb coffee can of COB with molasses
1/2 can of red flakey bran
1 1/2 can of alfalfa pellets
1/2 cup of vegetable oil

He gets wormed every 8 weeks

The old guy is plump and very frisky.

rebecca
  &
Bucky, Bailey, Sierra & Raffling Jon
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian