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From: dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:23:32 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA

In article <1992Jul27.222401.12647@u.washington.edu> davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.160346.29763@apex.com>, chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul27.043429.15821@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>> >OK, WODDers, what's wrong with these arguments?  Why must our freedoms,
>> >lives and livelihoods continue to be sacrificed for your insane desire
>> >to keep people from being high or from partaking of pleasure in other ways?
>> >
>> >You get rid of the elements of crime and high-stakes risk associated with
>> >drugs and a *lot* of problems go away. [ edited ]
>>
>> Do you really believe that the people making the huge profits selling illegal
>> drugs will just go away?  If the government is selling legal drugs
>> I would expect the gangs to sell something "better".  You don't want that
>> govt shit, this stuffs a lot better.
>
>Well it certainly seems to work for alcohol and tobacco.  I don't see a
>huge wave of crime & violence associated with gangs selling something
>"better" than what can legally be purchased.
>
>Given the choice between buying something of known purity and quality
>from the local liquor store and buying something of dubious quality and
>purity from a known CROOK (who probably has no misgivings about selling
>a contaminated or adulterated product), in a seedy part of town, at an
>inconvenient time of day, in a transaction that may very well be a
>"sting" operation -- there's no contest.  The liquor store wins hands
>down.

  I agree that most people will opt for the "drug" store than cruising 1st
Ave. looking for their favorite drug.  However, there is still the issue of:
what is the homeboy who's been making $500/day selling crack going to do with 
his life now?
  Legalizing drugs will eliminate crime *associated* with drugs, but we must
provide a legitimate path for the "CROOK"s to follow ...



-- 
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Sierra Geophysics	|	
dgeary@sierra.com	|   to the jetstream ;-(
From: cretzke@uswnvg.com (Corry Retzke)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: SONY HANDYCAM for sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:47:18 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Approximately 6 months old.

Features: stereo mike, flying erase heads, digital titles, 10x zoom,
	  sport finder, infra red focus, editing jacks (RCA).

Accessories: original box/packing, 2 batteries, charger/AC converter,
	     carrying bag, tapes.

Price:  Paid $1200; asking $750/obo.

Interested?  Call Corry @525-4790 (home).
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: WSP radar?  (was: WSP's `cellular listening center')
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:53:18 GMT

In article <3567@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> vanzwol@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ted Van Zwol) writes:
>
>Sell you stock in any radar detectors.  They will be absolutely obsolete.
>I hear that your speed can be calculated MUCH faster, aimed much more
>narrowly, etc.  Even if you had a sensor all around the skin of your car
>to detect if a laser has struck you...it's too late.  You've been nailed.
>It's not like wandering radio waves are present to alert you to potential
>rader.
>
>Anyone else have more concrete news?

Well, there are already several laser detectors on the market, one by
Cincinnati Microwave, inventor of the highly acclaimed Escort and
Passport radar detectors.  They are all so new that there have been no
comparison tests yet.  Car and Driver magazine, however, got ahold of
a Custom Signals laser speed gun and report that it requires much more
work on the part of the cops to operate - they must first line your
car up in the sight of the device (since it does have a very narrow
return beam) then press a button to register the speed.  This is not
a sit-by-the-side-of-the-road-eating-donuts-and-waiting-for-the-thing-
to-beep type of device.  Also, while Officer Friendly is moving the
thing around trying to get a fix on your license plate (the most
retro-reflective part of a car), he's in effect panning an infrared
searchlight all around the road and this is what the detectors pick
up.  Another plus is that these things are so damned expensive that
the last estimate I heard (about 4 months ago) is that there are less
then 12 in use in the entire *country*.  I wouldn't panic just yet -
still it's absolutely bizarre how these parasites set their priorities.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:29:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.162332.1088@sierra.com> dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary) writes:
>
>  I agree that most people will opt for the "drug" store than cruising 1st
>Ave. looking for their favorite drug.  However, there is still the issue of:
>what is the homeboy who's been making $500/day selling crack going to do with 
>his life now?
>  Legalizing drugs will eliminate crime *associated* with drugs, but we must
>provide a legitimate path for the "CROOK"s to follow ...
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But not _first_ surely!  Let's get rid of the stupid drug laws first,
and the largest part of the organized crime problem.  Then this poor 
guy's problem can be solved along with the rest of the people that 
can't find a decent job!  (Or any job, for that matter.)

>
>
>-- 
>David Geary           	|   Seattle - America's most attractive city ... 
>Sierra Geophysics	|	
>dgeary@sierra.com	|   to the jetstream ;-(


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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Keywords: telemarketers
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:39:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssc.1992Sep06.003926.1659
Distribution: pnw
Organization: very little

In article <1992Sep2.192631.21459@tc.fluke.COM> witters@tc.fluke.COM (John Witters) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.044537.5487@u.washington.edu> allyn@milton.u.washington.edu (Allyn Weaks) writes:
>>
>>To avoid teledroids, tell them politely not to ever call back.  WA State
>>law says that if they do call back within a year, they pay a $100 fine.
>
>Is this really true?  If so, I haven't heard of it.  Could you give me a
>citation so I can look it up to find out how to have the fine assessed?  (And
>whether I get to keep a part of it?)
>
>I'd really like to try this against the family portrait studios that keep
>bugging me around dinner time.
>
>

The problem with this is that many telemarketers call from out of state,
and the states don't have any jurisdiction over interstate calls.

Here is what I have done to telemarketers a few times just for laughs.

When they call and state their name I interrupt them and ask for the
name again, as if I am writing it down.  Then I ask "Could I have your
last name again please?".  Then I ask "Could I have your home telephone
number please?"  This really throws them....they start wondering if
this kook is going to call them up at home and harrass them.  They
usually start to sound really rattled at this point and refuse to give
me the number.  I ask again, and when they refuse again, I say "Why
not?  You called me at home....whats the matter with me calling you
at home?".  When they say something like "well I just don't give out
my home phone number" I say something like "look....I'm sure that what
you called me about is very important.  If it is that important, it
only seems reasonable that I should be able to call YOU at home
about it."  If they keep refusing, I say "OK...bye." and hang up.

Of course, most folks would wonder why I don't just say "not interested"
and hang up.

This works pretty well too!


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From: chrise@atc.boeing.com (Chris_Esposito)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: WSP radar?  (was: WSP's `cellular listening center')
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: chrise@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Research & Technology

The latest issue of Car & Driver has an article on the latest in radars, radar 
detectors, and radar detector detectors.  The Valentine One was a top-rated
detector that can (if my memory is correct) detect X, K, and all of the 
current systems that work anywhere in the Ka band, while it is not itself
detectable  by a detector detector.


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Newsgroups: seattle.general,seattle.forsale
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: new newsgroup created
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:34:12 GMT

	Humm... I've has a seattle.forsale in my  .newsrc for
a few weeks now.


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Subject: Imported German Foodstuffs sought
Keywords: wurst, schnitzel, uuurrrrp
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:28:13 GMT

Howdy. A friend of mine from college finally got the Army to
cut her loose, and she's relocated here to the Seattle area
(Auburn, actually). She's a doctor, and served in Germany for
several years, and she has (she says) some GREAT recipes she
wants to cook, but they require true German ingredients.

Does anybody out there know of a market that sells imported
wursts, schnitzel, canned red cabbage, and wines? She swears
up and down that domestic products just don't cut it in this
case....any info appreciated: the market(s) in question need
not be in Seattle, but should be in, say, western Washington.

Thanks! Please send e-mail; I will summarize if there is
sufficient interest.

Josh Hayes, josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu
--
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josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu             206 685-2793
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From: tcking@uswnvg.com (Tim King)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Ski Lift Tickets For Sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:40:32 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Four Alpental - Ski Acres - Snoqualmie triple area lift tickets. $15 each.
$21 value, good anytime, any year.


--
Timothy C. King
US West NewVector Group, Inc.
Bellevue, Washington
(206) 450-8533
tcking@uswnvg.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: lixin@milton.u.washington.edu (PBL)
Subject: WANTED: TOYOTA Repair Manual
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:53:08 GMT

I need a detailed repair manual for a 82 Corolla or the info of
where to find a good one. ( The one that I found in bookstore covers
many models and years of TOYOTA so is not really a ........)

Thanks in advance!

Li
lixin@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bobs@moo.org (Bob Smith)
Subject: Re: Magazine City
Reply-To: bobs@moo.UUCP (Bob Smith)
Organization: World Wide User Group (WWUG)
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:40:00 GMT
Keywords: [Magazine City] [good magazine store]

In article <1992Sep12.121602.20392@eskimo.celestial.com> mann@eskimo.celestial.com (Tom Mann) writes:
>I stopped by Magazine City (on 3'rd and Olive, I think) and guess what?
>Does anybody know what happened to them and, more importantly, is there
>a comparable outlet for magazines? They had one of the best selection of
>art - crafts mags that I have found. 
>
>Thanks for any info,
Someone told me they are out of business for good. But I can not say for
sure.


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Newsgroups: fluke.general,seattle.general,pnw.forsale
From: bettyboo@tc.fluke.COM (Betty Thompson)
Subject: 1988 Honda CRX for sale
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: 1988 Honda CRX for sale
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:54:19 GMT


'88 Honda CRX for sale

     o    AM/FM Cassette

     o    New tires/brakes

     o    Like new inside and out

     o    $6995 or best offer

For more information or a test drive, call Betty or Rod at (206) 347-2229.

Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: jsanchez@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: CD-Rom Mastering in the PNW?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:47:05 GMT

You should contact ISOMEDIA in Redmond if you want to get a CD-ROM
mastered.  They can product one using the JVC setup for about $200 (I
think).  Call Bruce Straughn there and talk to him about it.  They can
take you scsi disk or QIC tape and burn it on to a disk.  I have not had
this done but did buy a multi-media kit from them and am satisfied with
their service.
Enjoy
-- 
Jim Sanchez 
Hughes LAN Systems - Bellevue, WA (206)828-7417
Internet: jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@polari.online.com
UUCP: ..!uunet!polari!jsanchez
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: scoter@ntmtv.UUCP (Patrick Thompson)
Subject: Shri Mataji to visit Seattle
Originator: scoter@nmtvs12
Keywords: Sahaja Yoga, Self-realization, Kundalini, Meditation, Safe, Free
Reply-To: scoter@ntmtv.UUCP (Patrick Thompson)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:01:56 GMT


Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, founder of Sahaja Yoga, will visit
Seattle on Monday, September 14th to give a free lecture on 
self-realization and the "Sahaja Yoga experience."

Her itinerary on this, her first tour of North America since
April 1991, will include visits to New York, Cincinnati, Toronto, 
Vancouver, Seattle, and Los Angeles.

Shri Mataji believes that world peace and collective consciousness 
can be achieved only through the inner transformation of human 
beings. Her system of meditation, Sahaja Yoga, manifests a subtle 
energy. This is experienced as vibrations which are felt on the 
central nervous system and lead to greater awareness and deeper 
intuition. Rather than requiring a "leap of faith," it is an actual 
experience of the integration of our physical, mental, emotional, 
and spiritual being. It thus brings about complete balance and inner 
peace. By bringing together people of all religious, ethnic, and 
social backgrounds, she has proven that the human bond is more than 
skin deep and that all ideologies are encompassed by the same 
universal values and truths.


	=======================================
	Seattle Public Program
	Seattle
	Monday, September 14th, 7:30 pm.
	Seattle Center, North Hall
	Info: (206) 771-9063
	Free of charge
	=======================================


Shri Mataji will also have a program on Sunday, September 13th
in Vancouver:

	=======================================
	Vancouver Public Program
	Sunday, September 13th, 7 pm.
	Robson Square Media Center
	Info: (604) 850-7475 or (604) 261-0203
	Free of charge
	=======================================


For more information about these upcoming programs or Sahaja Yoga 
in general, call the local information numbers given above or 
1-800-745-YOGA.




------------------------------
Patrick Thompson
ntmtv!scoter@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: prang@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Ron Wanttaja)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Ice-T/First Amendment (was Re: WSP radar...)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:08:32 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

In article <1228@brat.wa.com>, donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
> In article <3573@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:
> >For those of you who wish to send a clear message to Time-Warner for
> >promoting Ice-T's Cop Killer song, write to: Geral M Levin, CEO 
> >                                             75 Rockefeller Plaza
> >                                             New York, NY 10019 
> 
> But first:
> 
> 1) read the rolling stone interview with Ice-T.
> 2) read the first ammendment.
> 3) read it again.

Sorry, the First Amendment doesn't apply.  The Bill of Rights is a
guarantee of freedoms the GOVERNMENT cannot take away.  Mr. Sipe is NOT
saying "Write your Congresscritter and have them ban the song." Quite
rightly, the Constitution does restrict this sort of government
interference.

An example is, for instance, Boeing.  The Second Amendment states I have a
right to bear arms; for that matter, I have a Washington State concealed
weapons permit.  Yet Boeing prohibits me from wearing firearms to work.  It
was a provision of employment... and one I have no problem with.  The
Constitution doesn't apply.

Similarly, Time-Warner DID NOT HAVE TO publish the song.  Pulling it from
the market WOULD NOT VIOLATE Ice-T's Constitutional rights, as long as it
was not driven by government action.

Here's another example:  Would Time-Warner be violating Ice-T's rights had
they refused to initially publish his song?  If so, get me a lawyer... I've
got a file folder full of rejection slips from publishing companies that
I'd like to cash in on.  

Mr. Sipes advocates putting social and economic pressure on Time-Warner.
He's advocating a moral position which, whether one agrees with it or not,
is his right to present.  Note that he's not libelling or committing
slander against Mr. Levin or Time-Warner; he's merely urging those who
share his opinion to make that opinion known to the company.  

Advocating a more INFORMED opinion by suggesting he read the Ice-T article
is perfectly all right.  But until and unless the government gets involved,
the Constitution doesn't enter into it.

                                          Ron Wanttaja
					  prang@ssc-bee
					  ...rutgers!uw-beaver!ssc-bee!prang
                                          prang@ssc-bee.boeing.com
From: stiehl@Data-IO.COM (Bill Stiehl)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Recommendations for repair to fireplace
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:41:57 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Data I/O Corporation


My old fireplace is in sad shape and needs work on the 
flue, firebox, damper, and who knows what else.  Any
recommendations (good or bad) for companies or individuals
who can do the work would be appreciated.  I live in Kirkland.  
Thanks for your reply.

-- Bill Stiehl
-- 867-6254
-- stiehl@Data-IO.COM
From: dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:41:48 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA

In article <2891@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.234436.9340@u.washington.edu> monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan) writes:
>>
>>Tobacco results in more deaths and permanent injuries and yet the federal
>>government subsidizes the industry to the tune of billions a year.
>>
>
>Ah yes, the ol'e "two wrongs make a right" logical fallacy.
>
>>Marijuna or tobacco, get the govt out of it and let those who choose grow
>>their own.
>
>This is an interesting point which takes some of the wind out of
>the sails on the argument that we will save lots of money via legalization
>because we won't have enforcement expenses.  To get the tax revenue that
>everybody is talking about you must make home production illegal - thus
>the *continued* need for enforcement.  If not, society winds up with all
>the problems associated with legal drug use and no revenue because people
>would simply grow/make their own.

  Gee, I wonder how many billions per year the US govt is losing due to all
those *millions* of cigarette smokers growing tobacco plants in their
basements?  After all, what cigarette smoker in his right mind would
want to go to the hassle of a 5 min trip to the store for a pack of
Kools, when they can spend the countless hours it takes to grow tobacco
on their own?


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Sierra Geophysics	|	
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dong@milton.u.washington.edu (Dong-Lok Kim)
Subject: For Sale: Mac LC
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:41:27 GMT


Want a low cost color Mac? Get this..
	Macintosh LC for sale
	- Mac LC 6/40 (Using 1MB for the disk caching is fun!).
	- 512K VRAM.
	- System7.0 Tuned up.
	- 12' color monitor, mouse and mouse pad.
	- 5 mo old (still under warranty)	
	- Perfect condition (I use a keyboard cover made by my wife,
		and clean the monitor every 3-4 days)
	- Original Box and system software/manuals.
	- Softwares (Installed): MSWord5.0a, MacProjectII, PixelPaintPro, 
		PixelPaint, MacDrawII.1, MacX, 
		and other public s/w (MacLayer1.1
		GateKeeper1.2.6, Disinfectatnt2.9, StuffitClassic, HyperCards.
	 	SoftFPU, Applicon, Dimmer... All are most up-to-date and 
		very useful).
		(MacLayer1.1 allows you to open upto 7 windows on the same
		modem connection)
	- Asking $1350.00. Please reply by e-mail. 

Dong-Lok Kim
-- 
ICSL (Image Computing System Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Eng., FT-10
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195


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University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195
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From: bruceb@microsoft.com (Bruce Burger)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: WSP radar?  (was: WSP's `cellular listening center')
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:13:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: microsof.1992Sep15.181320.21100
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

>      I don't see why a laser gun shouldn't be detectable.  Cars have lots of

I've read that Cincinnati Microwave has already announced they're working
on a laser detector.

Bruce Burger
Microsoft
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: WSP radar?  (was: WSP's `cellular listening center')
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:46:31 GMT


In article <1992Sep15.181320.21100@microsoft.com> you write:
>>      I don't see why a laser gun shouldn't be detectable.  Cars have lots of
>I've read that Cincinnati Microwave has already announced they're working
>on a laser detector.

They're already available for sale.  Detection range is _much_ longer than
the laser gun developers predicted, on the order of 1-2 miles if I remember
correctly.
-- 
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Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
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Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: cretzke@uswnvg.com (Corry Retzke)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: NIKON FM for sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:42:51 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Nikon FM (manual with metering).  Approximately 8 years old, but looks and
works like new.

Accessories:  50mm f1.8 lens, teleconverter, sun shade, lens cap, uv filter,
	      case.

Price: $275

Interested?  Call Corry @525-4790 (home).
Newsgroups: seattle.general