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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:08:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye

Asketh        "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

> > [From FWP, if memory serves]
> > Convincing a university to dedicate reasonable resources to student
> >network access is a job for the eloquent not the technically skilled.

> I agree totally.  Any Oxford-style debaters amongst us? :)

     On the other hand, one could always attempt to appeal to the CC's
sense of greed.  If they were servicing a larger protion of the
student body they would naturally deserve a larger piece of the pie
and need to get more equipment and rise politically.  Perhaps what is
needed is for a rabble rouser of sorts to convince enough of the
student body of the advantages of network access ('free' mail and
phone service to friends at other institutions, for example) to get
the attention of the administration (school and CC).

     I bring this up only because I have found that people are more
receptive to your demands if they think they will benefit from
helping.  NOTE: This is a generalization of the population as a whole.
I have also known a large number of people who would help to be
helping.

The Ronin
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:35:36 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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On Sat, 11 Apr 1992, Carol Goodson wrote:
> Secondary education is, unfortunately,
> >> becoming a joke, unless you go to a private prep school, which is
> >> where any child I have will be going if I have to work five jobs to pay
> >> for it.
> >>
> >I have to agree with you about public school education in general..
> >although it would not be expedient for me to say it in the public school
> >where I teach.  We talk about excellence in education....I don't see it
> >happening, however.
>
> ***chalk me up in the idealists' column, but I hate to hear these views
> expressed... if those who know the difference give up on public education,
> what can the future of American society be?  It already looks bad enough.
> Please stay in the game and CHANGE IT...if you don't, your children will
> end up suffering much more, in my opinion....

I agree with you, Carol...if we lose the children of parents who care to
private schools, we're in real trouble.  I have always been a strong
believer in public
education (I wouldn't have invested 17 years in it if I weren't), and
have believed it was the backbone of our democracy.  Most teachers
in public school are motivated professionals who truly *want* to
teach.  However,
unless we have the support of parents who *want* their children to learn and
expect their children to take some responsibility for their education,
we cannot succeed.

Sorry...I'll put my teacher soapbox in the closet.
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:26:00 EDT
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)
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>
>> Don't know about the second part, but ETAOINSHRDLU is (supposedly) the
>> frequency order of the most common letters in written English.
>
>Now, now do you see why I signed as "tushar, lone id" when we were
>talking about letter frequencies ? See the joke, my dear sirs !
>
>tushar

Well I sure missed that one.  I thought you meant you were the only
person logged in on your system.

--Adam
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:15:00 EST
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp
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No question...I want the fat, old, sweaty Elvis.  There's so much more
raw personality in that one...

--Aaron
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      RE: Elvis stamp

I am not voting for either Elvis stamp. I have already said that licking the
backside of a dead-from-overdose rock star does nothing for me.  Besides don't
you have to send in a post card or something?  I am not paying $.19 for it.


        Lisa
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
              7 Apr 1992 15:31:38 CDT from <ajl1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

      Aimee: that's "ARE" studying Russian... I'd concentrate on English
      before switching to Russian.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:51:00 EDT
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Deserving AIDS

One thing I think you should take into account is that some of these
people who had lots of unprotected sex years ago might have contracted
the virus before anyone really knew AIDS existed, so there was really no
warning for them.  Of course, even if such people have long since
finished sowing their wild oats, they should have at least gotten
themselves tested for the virus some time ago.

--Aaron
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:34:00 HST
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: instant soprano

> > Even ran across one claim that the eunuchs were
> > sometimes preferred by the ladies at Roman orgies because they orgasm,
>                                                             ***********

There you have it, folks.  Language change before your very eyes.  Orgasm
is now a verb.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:54:29 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      The Birth of WORDS-L (was Re: Bomber Crews...)
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> What day was it born, BTW?

I'm not sure I can find the exact date, although I might be able to.
I think I looked for it once before and didn't find it.  I know it
was in October 1989.  I'll try to track it down -- but not tonight.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:26:22 EST
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: e m forster

On Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:04:15 EDT Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster said:
>     We must exclude someone from our gathering or we
>      shall be left with nothing.
>
>           -A Passage to India-

An unnamed lurker threatening to omit someone from our ranks?
Step forward and identify yourself, you blackguard!
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:43:57 -0400
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Update on Pre-Clam Slam
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>     Does that mean no nude posting in Cambridge, tomorrow?


        Not that I would mind, but the proprietors of the fine
establishment
at which we are gathering might object.

Czarina
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:25:43 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS

>   But this was not at all the question. The question was whether it follows
> that there is "nothing wrong" with the transformation of English into a
> system of grunts. There is nothing wrong at all with the system of
> communication used by, say, baboons, but to my mind it would be a bad
> thing if the English language were to be transformed into a similar system.

As you said, this is a "value judgment, philosophical in character."  I
guess that's why we aren't coming to any conclusions.  Maybe we should
try a new tack.  Why in your mind would it be bad if English were transformed
into a system of grunts?

(And why does e-mail always get especially interesting at the moment I
have to log off and get ready to face work?  The only good thing about
this morning's timing is that our connection to UGA died a few minutes
ago.  At least its death coincides pretty closely with when I needed to
log off anyway.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:17:07 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      traffic in Bombay

Here is something more on the thread. My mother just sent me a clipping
from the local newspaper which says that they found a leopard roaming the
streets. He isn't fully grown. They had a hard time catching him.

Every word of this is true. This happened in a Bombay suburb. It is not a
common occurence, of course.

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:24:37 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Understatement of the Year

>--FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS--
>
>
>From:   IN%"76702.1202@CompuServe.COM"  "Charlie Smith" 10-APR-1992
>To:     IN%"travel-advisories@stolaf.edu"
>CC:
>Subj:   *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Iraq

How did this get to the list without a hitch ? From what I have understood
from the oft-repeated re-sent notes, even a "^From: " should cause problems.

tushar
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List Moved: WORDS-L English Language Discussion G
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>
>> fact the listowner is not a sir.
>
>Oh...  Check the list headers sometime.  One of the listowners is
>Sir Bernard Chien Perro. :-)
>

   Bernard, my humblest apologies.  I did not realize that i) you were
a listowner, and ii) you had a CBE conferred upon you.  Belated congratulations
on the rarest of canine honours and my regrets for omitting you.

Steve Portigalaxy
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:36:00 EDT
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From:         Captain CAAAAAAVEMAN!!!!! <ARHODES%DREW.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

In article <tfilt198064@drew.edu>, "Aimee J. Lee" <ajl1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:
> Are there any people on this list that is studying Russian,
> has studied Russian, or is a Russian prof?  I am taking
> Russian I this fall and I would like to know just how
> difficult it is to learn.  My advisor thinks I can handle it,
> but I personally think that he's nuts. Either he thinks I am
> very smart or else very suicidal.  Probably the latter!:(
>
> *THANKS!*
> Aimee Lee
>
        I took Russian for two years and loved it.  (I have to brush up -
I've forgotten a lot.)  I didn't find it too dificult, although there are
some major pains in the ass, as there are in any language.  The only thing
I noticed was that other languages seemed so easy in comparison.  German
(what little I took) was a breeze after Russian.  And Japanese, which I'm
taking now, isn't bad either.  The only real difficulty is the kana, but
I'm strongly visually oriented so it's been fun for me.
        Take Russian, you won't regret it.  Just watch out for
perfective/imperfective verb pairs - they are a *mother*.

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex, VC
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 9 Apr 92 21:48:42 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92040911240280@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> WILLIAMS%MC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS) writes:
>ETAOINSHRDLU _may_ be the order of the most-used letters in English, but
>I know for certain that it's the upper row of keys on a Linotype...
>Or was.
>"What's a Linotype, Grandpa?"

The most 'modern' Lino I've seen used an apple II as its keyboard;
the key layout was stolen from traditional typesetting racks - if
you think about it, it's a stupid layout for a keyboard because
the most frequent letters are nowhere near the home keys.  It was
done like this to make it more familiar to the old hot-metal setters.

Typesetters nowadays don't have keyboards; they have EthernetII taps :-(

G
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such

>     Where oh where can my baby be?
>     The Lord took her away from me.
>     She's gone to heaven so I got to be good,
>     So I can see my baby when I lea-eave this world.
>
>brad

Oh, yes.  Those death songs of the fifties and sixties.

How about "Tell Laura I Love Her" or "Teen Angel".

Herr Doktor Doktor Schmidt
Professor of Lobstrositical Studies
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:49:45 EST
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              Dickey, The Happy Spore" at Apr 13, 92 7:08 pm

>
> Hmm...MISC sounds interesting?  What's the mpd (messages per day) on
> that thing?  And where does one sign up?
>
  The messages per day is about .1.  It's MISC@TREARN.BITNET so mail
listserv@trearn.bitnet

sub misc yer name


  Although you can mail any listserv your sub request and it will forward it
to trear.

Steve
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: story for the day

the chicken story surely deserves the WORDS-L pun award for 1992.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:33:28 GMT


Torkel says:
>  Danish is a
>different matter. Grotesquely, it even happens that Danes and Swedes
>communicate in English.

Now this is strange.  I have a Danish friend, who met her American husband
in Sweden: she spoke no English or Swedish, he spoke a bit of Swedish (and
of course as a tourist, he had a phrasebook) but *no* Danish at all -- she
could understand his Swedish, and he her Danish, enough to carry on a
successful courtship.  

--bayla
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Isaac Asimov

>>Is it true that Asimov would not fly ?  I've heard this repeated many times,
>>but it sounds like one of those UL things.

>>Tony H.

>        I've heard the same story about Ray Bradbury.  In both cases, it seems
>        a bit unbelievable.

>        So what's the final count of works by Asimov? I know that sounds
>        crass, but he did always make a big deal about it.

>neal    traven@pittvms                  Bitnet          412-624-0097 (office)
>        traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu         Internet        412-624-0110 (fax)

It is true that Asimov never flew.  He acknowledged it as fact in
print several times that I remember (in editorials in the Isaac
Asimov Science Fiction Magazine).

According to a couple of newspaper articles, the Good Doctor had
written 477 books at the time of his death (and had approximately
a half dozen in the works).  His loss will be keenly felt in SF,
as well as by many others who have read the books he wrote on
almost any subject you could name (Shakespeare, humor, art,
math, history, astronomy, chemistry, and on and on...).  He was
amazingly good at explaining science to non-scientists.  IMHO,
that is a talent that is all too rare.  (I wish I had it!)

The Grand Masters of SF lose one more  *sigh*

Jill

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>school and state motto.  The following are the top twenty alternate choices
>given by senior: 1. Magic Johnson 2.Nelson Mandela 3.Anita Hill 4.Jodie Foster
>5.Wayne and Garth 6.Johnny Carson 7.Jane Pauly 8.Sting 9.Ben and Jerry
>10. Whoopi Goldberg 11.Paul Newman 12.Oprah Winfrey 13.Dave Dravecky 14. Frank
>Zappa 15.Elizabet Taylor 16.Mother Teresa 17. Nikhail Gorbachev 18. Betty Ford
>19. Don Henley 20. Arnold Scharzenagger.

You can always count on college kids.  20 names, and only who has
anything to say, and she is 16 on the list.
                              Bill Sjostrom
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels
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              14 Apr 1992 22:22:00 MDT from
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On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:22:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>Sayeth        Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
>
>> I like that!  *Very* sneaky...I'll let you know if it works.
>
>     But of course, I already said I had a Machiavellian side.  I just
>try to keep it reined in among friends.

Well, when my remote died I just went out and bought another one.  A good
universal one.  But the batterybit wouldn't have gotten me.

BTW, surprised that no one has commented that channel flipping MAY be a
male behavior.  Or at least predominantly male, anyway.

dan
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fresh meat

>In short, DON'T rush to put the most trivial construction on what people
>say. And please don't reply with trivialities once in a while.
>
>tushar

But we don't reply with trivialities once in a while. We do it constantly!

Yuck, yuck, yuck. Lookit here, Curly!
Whoop! Whoop! Whoop!

Lobmeister

P.S. Oh, is this what you were talking about. I'm sorry.
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  My Lord, I do here, in the name of all the learned and polite
persons of the nation, complain to Your Lordship as First Minister,
that our language is extremely imperfect; that its daily
improvements are by no means in proportion to its daily corruptions;
that the pretenders to polish and refine it have chiefly multiplied
abuses and absurdities; and that in many instances it offends
against every part of grammar.
                                                  -- Jonathan Swift
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Subject:      gleanings (39)

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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Richard Brautigan: a novelist/poet of the 60's and 70's, somehow vaguely
associated (at least in my mind) with Ken Kesey, the Merry Pranksters, etc.,
peripatetic drug-ingesters all.  _Trout Fishing in America: A Novel_ is in fact
a collection of loosely associated short stories of a young man growing up
in the western U.S., and his interactions with assorted odd characters, one
of whom was Trout Fishing in America.  There are various references to and
about fishing for trout, but it is not a "how to" manual. Much of the book
is fantasy and poetry; the poetic images are stronger here than in Brautigan's
poetry collections, IMHO.
        "The Kool-Aid Wino" (Sp?) is one of the short stories, concerning
a childhood pal of the main character who lives in an impoverished family.
Every day he mixes a gallon of Kool-Aid (at half the recommended strength,
without sugar) and consumes it, in so doing creating a reality more
pleasurable than the one he was born into. As I recall, the source of
this quote was related a class of persons who find the online world more
to their liking than the real ones.  Some of my co-workers have implied
that I may be such a person =:-o
        Other works include _The Hawkline Monster; A Gothic Western_,
_Willard and His Bowling Trophies_; _A Confederate General from Big Sur_;
_The Abortion_; _In Watermelon Sugar_. There are probably a few more
that I don't recall...
        _The Abortion_ proposes a curious sort of "library" in which any sort of

written material by jus' plain folks is stored away in a cave, for reasons never

explained. A few years ago I heard of a group in New England creating a library
on just the same lines.  The outpouring a prose on this and other forums, stored
electronically against some unknown future, puts me in mind of such a library
also.
        I think Brautigan committed suicide in the mid-eighties, to minor
notices in the press.  He wasn't very good, but for fans of a certain age
and sub-culture, he was all we had...

les
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