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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: Cabin Fevered Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:34:36 GMT

In <1hldj7INNkvg@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>	Another minor bit: on page 17 panel 3, Mervyn mentioned that he
>drove a bus during Dream's captivity. In issue 2 we actually see him do this.

It's a little later. I think issue 5. He's wearing a tall hat and Dream
says that the two talk. (Dream is politely ignoring the couple in the back
of the bus.)

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith   |  "Mr Planter took an axe/ Gave the peanut 40
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |   cracks/When he saw what he had done/Gave 
  Go little post! Go far!    |   the cashew 41"
 Bring information to all!   |               _Mr Peanut: Legacy of Horror_
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > It's hard to name the lowest this year, since for many
 > books it has been a long, slow decline.

Yeah, but what about all the books that have come about in the last few
years of expansion that just STARTED OUT BAD -- and had nowhere to
decline to?  Seems like there's just so much crap around there's no
judging degrees.  For every book that you used to love but which has
sunk down to new depths under the current regime, there's six brand new
books from the last couple of years that never had any heights from
which to fall.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:18:14 EST

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

> LJC would like to find in Lucien's Library:
> 
> Neil G's "Chivalry" (I can't find it anyplace)
> 
What's that?

Namaste,
Elizabeth


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN: No new life in sight.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 04:39:06 GMT

I was in the comics shop on Friday and learned that all Superman
titles are being suspended until the summer.  I had asked if they knew
anything about the story for AOS #500 and was told it's not coming out
until mid-summer.  The yellow next issue blurb box in #499 said no
info was available about #500.

Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Time and space
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu					  -Quantum Leap
Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:37:51 GMT

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

> eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:
> 
> > 
> > Sorry if this has been tlked about before and I missed it but it seemed lik
> > a fun topic to me.
> > 
> > What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
> > he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.
> > 
> 
> Well!  I'd like to read:
> 
> (1) The sequel to THE MUMMY OR RAMSES THE DAMNED by Anne RIce
> (2) The ending to THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD by Charles Dickens (FOr 
> those who don't know the book, it's a murder mystery, but Dickens 
> unkindly died before finishing it.)
> (3) More books in the Travis Magee series by John D. MacDonald
> (4) More issues of FANTASTIC FOUR by Lee and Kirby
> (5) The further adventures of POWER PACK by Simonson and Brigman
> (6) More 'MAZING MAN in its original style
> (7) More DINOSAUR REX
> (8) The SANDMAN story about how Delight changed 
> (9) The further adventures of Kara, a.k.a. Supergirl
> (10) More JONNY QUEST comics
> (11) The unwritten issues of MAGE
> 
> .... Just for starters.
> 
> Namaste,
> Elizabeth

Issue 8-12 of Sonic Disrupters. 
The Original versions of Dark Knight 3 and 4
The "If Robin had lived" issues of Death in the Family
The ending of the Plot in "The New Adventrures of Superboy) circa 1984

Dascoser
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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: "vicious, sniping, mean-spirited, and arrogant" (was Re: Why is PAD...)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:58:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.154205.11701@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
)Another critical difference between CS and netnews is the cost.  When
)colleges let out for Xmas, netnews volume drops tremendously.  This tells
)me that a fairly large chunk of the participants aren't paying any
)money for their news access.

	I think this is overstated.  Note that the volume doesn't really
drop until people start leaving on vacations from work for the holiday.
Yes, there is a dip, but it isn't ness. college related.  (No, I'm not
a counter example to the student idea.  I'm staff.)  

	Note that, with few exceptions, most of the people on USENET are
not paying usage related fees for their access.  Their employers are.

)  As such, they aren't inhibited from massive
)participation due to cost.  I think this makes them more willing to chime
)in with trivia -- it costs nothing to say "me too".  

	This isn't uncommon on the commercial services either.  GEnie gets
a lot of one line 'Me too's and "ROTF" coments.  I doubt that the pattern
on CS is that different.

-- 
Vnend, Lottery winner #316                 Ignorance is the mother of adventure.  
vnend@princeton.edu, vnend@pucc.bitnet, or {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend        
        Anonymous posting service (NO FLAMES!):vnend@ms.uky.edu                          
"It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them."
From: roshne@faerun (Rod Shelton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 02:18:02 EST
Reply-To: faerun!roshne@ais.org
Organization: The Forgotten One, East Lansing, MI

naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam) writes:

> 
> >In article <1992Dec31.042645.7577@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.c
> >>In article <1992Dec31.001958.2356@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>, scs@lokkur.dexter.m
> >>> OK, since two different folks [in rec.arts.comics.misc] have asked about
> >>> Fermat's Last Theorem, it's time to tell this told-to-me-as-true story:
> >>
> >>But you didn't explain what the theorem was:
> >>	Fermat was an 18th Century French mathematician who had the
> >>	tendency to write annotations at the margins of the books he
> >>	read.  Well, in one of his annotations, Fermat claimed that he
> >>	had discovered a "remarkable proof" that there do not exist
> >>	three numbers x, y, and z such that x^3 + y^3 = z^3.
> >>	The problem is, he never wrote down what the blasted
> >>	"remarkable proof" was, and mathematicians are still trying
> >>	to solve that 200-year-old conundrum.  (There is a theory
> >>	which says that Fermat *didnt* discover a proof, he just
> >>	though he had.  Then again, no one has been able to come with
> >>	three numbers that fit the bill, so the problem is still open.)
> 
> It's a bit stronger than that.   Fermat claimed that he had proven that
> no three number x,y,z fit x^N + y^N = z^N where N is an integer larger
> than 1.
> 
        Well it must be N>2 because otherwise The Pythagoren (sp?)
theorm would  be invalidated, you know a^2+b^2=c^2 which definately fits
the bill of x^N+y^N=z^N for a=x b=y c=z N=2

> 
> --
> Ramez Naam
> naam@terra.cecer.army.mil



--
Rod Shelton
roshne@ais.org  roshne@ap.cl.msu.edu    faerun!roshne@ais.org

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Hulk: Future Imperfect
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:36:02 GMT

Generic Marvel at its best.  We've seen this story a dozen times, with
a few details rearranged:  The hero comes from the past to find a world
crushed beneath the heels of -- who would ever have thought it -- no,
I'm not going to give it away, but most of you can probably guess.
This is the first of two parts, and it is running absolutely true to form.

If you don't mind that, though, it's definitely worth the $5.95 price tag.
The art is of a better quality than we usually see.  The pacing is good.
(Too many Marvel writers think that the story has to be put on hold for
the duration of the ten obligatory pages of fighting.)  The technology
and milieu are *too* generic:  If we weren't told, we wouldn't know
whether the year was 2100 or 2000 or somehigh-tech enclave of the
Marvel present.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about LSH #40
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:57:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfERI1m00WDKQGYWsa
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 30-Dec-92 Question about LSH
#40 Elizabeth Holden@Micor.O (194)

> Have we ever seen Squire before?  Who is he?  And who is the 
> yellow-skinned Dominator-linked woman with the mind control powers?

> Is this *history* or new stuff entirely?

> Namaste,
> Elizabeth


I don't think we've seen Squire before and if we haven't then it was
really cheesy to give him Wildfire's powers....

I believe the yellow-skinned woman was Charma (or is it Charmya?). Check
your back-issues for that page with the list of people being held in the
chambers: it included Myg (including reference to newly acquired "sonic
emissions"), Squire Borroughs, Sade, Charma, Holdur, Polecat and others,
all of whom (except Sade for obvious reasons) appeared in the sequence
in #40...

--Vernon.
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:04:19 GMT

In article <1ha50aINN84g@uwm.edu>, manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz) writes:

Coming out next May for Dark Horse is the new revisionist superhero.
Written by Peter Micahel Betz: Libelman. Here below are his comments.

> the union. But Kirby does it, and pea-brains such as yourself are only too
> eager to jump on his bandwagon. Just goes to show what complete fools some
> people are.......

Libelman  -  watch out, it will be hot
John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Kirby, Claremont and rights
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:10:21 GMT

A factoid which may or may not change your opinions on this issue, but which I
think was both important, and underreported by the fan press:

The *reason* that Marvel wasn't willing to give back all the original artwork
was that... they didn't *have* it.  Some of it had been damaged over the years,
and a good deal of it had "walked off".  These things are reprehensible in and
of themselves, of course, but I think that they are separate issues from that
of the artwork-return-debacle.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
I'm sorry, my karma ran over your dogma.
	[Seen on a Nancy Button]
From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Black & White September (Implosion)
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! V0.975
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:52:50 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

There was a time, around 1985-7, when the Independent Black & White comics 
were HOT.  It was like sharks at feeding time when a new issue was released.
Many shops would sell a new book - regardless of how bad the art, story, etc
were - for *multiples* of cover price on the DAY of its appearance.  Ant Boy
sold for $15-25 a copy at one point, for example.  Speculators abounded.  At
one point, however, everything caught up.  People started trying resell 
their hoards of low-print-run comics at unheardof prices (for the time).  In
the span of only days (in September), a book that SOLD for $10 would NOT sell
at $5 - or at ANY price in *most* cases.  It was as if the word had gone out
that all Black & White books held some kind of contagion - DO NOT TOUCH.
The Black & White comic book marketplace TOTALLY collapsed.  Current issues
of TMNT and a few other titles continued to sell at a *slow* pace; but back-
issues were virtually impossible to sell.

Disclaimer:  The above is a relating (condensed) of what I (& others) 
ACTUALLY experienced.  It is subject to revision or revocation by a certain
NET.GOD; who, I believe, wasn't even there - or *was* he?  8*)

Peace, Dave.
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Miracleman (was Re: Lucien's Last Theorem)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:18:40 GMT
Distribution: na 
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: It's a miracle!

In <1993Jan1.223733.19379@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

[much deleted]

>Ah, Our Man at GEnie. (Apologies to Dexter Gordon)

>Any guess on how many issues they have submitted? I'm guessing they're
>probably doing it one at a time, but you never know.

  I just asked Neil - he says he's done with 24 and is working on 25.
Actually, it wasn't that clear, but then what did we expect from
Neil Gaiman.  Any further delays in seeing #24 are because Eclipse 
chose not to print it quickly.

[Lance's sig deleted, even though it's one of the best on the Net]
 
-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:47:37 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1993Jan2.210732.19269@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>I thought comics had to be done two or three months ahead of their
>distribution date in order to get into the pipeline in time, but
>Clinton was at Superman's funeral six weeks after the election.
>Is it that they allow shorter lead times, that they gambled on
>the polls, or that they simply drew that panel in two versions?
>(We'll ignore the fact that this was before the Christmas issue,
>meaning that the funeral took place before inauguration.)

According to an article I read a while back, DC decided to gamble
that Clinton would be elected.  The lead time was the normal period,
and there was no second version.

Greg
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Hacker Files (was Re: MISC: I'm bored - gimme something to read)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:31:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sen. Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) writes:

>Subject: Re: MISC: I'm bored - gimme something to read

>You read for the art, do you?  I find that truly *good* writing on a 
>comic is so rare that I will enjoy a badly-drawn comic (if I know the 
>writing is good) in a way that I will not enjoy a beautifully drawn but 
>badly written comic.
>
>In the case of HACKER FILES, the writing is so good that I will happily 
>accept the poor art.  It isn't the worst in comics today, it just isn't 
>good.  I can pretend it's suitable to our shabby anarchistic hero here.

You should know me better than that, Elizabeth.  (Or you should be able to
guess, anyway.)  I read comics for the total experience; very rarely do I
read any for *just* the writing or *just* the artwork.  (Sandman #18, I
bought just for the Vess art; I kept buying the book for writing *and*
art.)

Yes, good writing can help to excuse shoddy artwork.  (Ex.: Claremont kept
me reading X-Men through the Silvestri period, and kept me reading New
Mutants until I could appreciate Sienkiewicz's work.)  And good artwork can
help to excuse shoddy writing.  (Ex.: Doom Patrol was on shaky ground for a
long time, when I felt Morrison was being weird just to be weird, but the
Case/Hanna art was sufficient to keep up my interest.)

But the artwork in Hacker Files is (in my opinion, of course) *beyond* shoddy,
into the realm of vastly inferior.  I found little consistency in the
appearance of the characters (including the main character) from page to
page; the work looked rushed, and perhaps even unconcerned.  And, unlike you,
I found nothing in the writing to recommend it: little suspense, characters I
don't care about or identify with, no evidence of revelations to come.  In
short, no reason for me to keep dishing out $1.75 (or whatever) per month.

I *wanted* to like Hacker Files.  I *wanted* it to succeed.  (Hey, it even
got mentioned in dialogue on "Days of Our Lives": a week after the comic was
due out, one of the child characters said, "There's a new comic book on
computers I want to get.")  I gave it *more* than a fair shot (most comics
these days get at most *two* issues to prove themselves; HF got four), and
it got shot down.

------------------------------
                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Allen Is Back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:39:50 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: blammo.css.itd.umich.edu

Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu) wrote:
: In article <92353.120833JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> <JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
: >Yes!  It's about time.  Barry Allen is back in the newest edition of Flash.
: >He comes home for Christmas and it is a total shocker to me.  I've been
:                    ^^^^^^^^^
: Wasn't Allen supposed to be Jewish?  (At least, I believe I remember
: this was so in a recent DC "Christmas with the Super-Heroes").o

Nope.  You're probably thinking of Gim Allon, aka Collosal Boy of the
Legion of Super-Heroes.  Barry Allen is as whitebread
middle-American-WASP as you can get.

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
-- 
Ken Small    kens@umich.edu
I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused.
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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Subject: Re: random thoughts about sandman...
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.043531.9271@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>zonker@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Regis):
>
>Another observation:  Last issue we were given to understand that Destruction
>wasn't a very good artist.  This issue we learned beyond a doubt that he's
>a rotten poet.  Are we to understand that he's been dabbling like this for
>the last three centuries?  Must be frustrating to quit the destruction
>business and then find out that that's all you're any good at.
>

It seems only right that he is a lousy artist and poet.  He is Destruction
after all.  His job is to tear things down, not create them.

Steve
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Death of Moriarty double-back limited issue SPOILERS!!
Keywords: Oh, the humanity!
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:03:19 GMT

This just in from the far-flung Isles of Langerhans:

                     >>>PRESS RELEASE<<<

Napoleon of Crime, Inc., and the personnel dept. of the John Fluke Mfg.
Company, Inc., have announced that, later this week, the (faintly) popular
(perhaps) net.personality, Moriarty, will *die*.

After hundreds of adventures in hack writing, sarcastic comments, reviews,
and a general smarty-pants attitude, the character will be confronted by his
greatest challenge *ever*: to get personal e-mail holiday greetings out to
every one of his friends and aquaintances out on the network.  Halfway
through an e-mail note to Eli Messinger and Roger Tang about the merits of
cinnamon-spiced double-chocolate MDA-fortified iced expressos, he will
clutch his head, spin around three times, and fall backwards in his chair,
DEAD AT HIS TERMINAL.  His last words will be "Best.... Best Wishes... for
'93... to all my... Internet... friennnss..."  His head will then slump back
in a dramatic manner, while his friends and co-workers wander around his
office, deciding who gets dibs on his technical manuals and moronic posters.
(His personal copies of THE COWBOY WALLY SHOW and his BUCKAROO BANZAI
 novelizations will *not* be for sale.)

[However, rumors abound that around January 4th, the character will return
 from the dead.  Details have not been forthcoming, but sources who
 wish to remain anonymous have indicated that he will be revived with
 a cinnamon-spiced double-chocolate MDA-fortified iced expresso.  (Thus
 providing continuity with the storyline.)]

A 900 number for readers to vote on whether Moriarty returns from the dead
or not ($30 a call) will be set up in a few days.  The results of this phone
poll will be completely ignored.
----
                           "Nahhhh!  Too safe and too sane!"

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
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