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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Commodore Speaks, hah
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:13:37 GMT

In <mykes.0c7a@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Not without 68K executables to read and process the huge amounts of data and present
>them to you in a reasonable form.  They are not effectively used on the Amiga.

Has this anything to do with not having CD-ROMs ? Data can be distributed
in many forms and if productivity software can understand common data
formats it can read them from the CD-ROM database.. No problem. It's even
easier on the Amiga since a CD-ROM appears as a standard filesystem
and doesn't need special _retrieval_ software.

But what has this to do with Marcs claim that CDTV compatibility is needed
when most CD-ROMs aren't CDTV specific but generic ISO9660 ?

Regards,
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:15:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.135735.18712@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

[ ]
>>
>>But it's a *slow* interface...  Compare it to the 386/486 boards with IDE
>>interface: it's the bottleneck of these machines.  It's ashame that machines
>>with such processing power are released with the IDE interface in stead of
>>EISA or SCSI.
>
>	I never seem to notice this awful bottleneck on my 486.  Maybe I'm
>   not running the right programs that show the IDE interface to be so slow.

No, you aren't noticing the bottleneck because there has been so much
misinformation re IDE, SCSI and ESDI. IDE is fine. The bottleneck, if there,
is probably the video.>

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:45:02 GMT

In article <Bsuu00.I6w@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>
>FDR introduced this country to social programs and it's been a faucet
>no politician has has the guts to turn off.  It was the beginning of the
>end.

Also, it amazes me sometimes when people say 'it was a GOOD THING that we (the 
US) had FDR there to guide us through the Depression', when it seems
painfully obvious to me that all those years of FDR getting reelected and
all those coinciding years of Depression has SOMETHING to do with each other.
I am but 20 years old, but this realization would seem obvious to anyone.

Example: Democrats LOOOOVE claim the recession the US had a year ago
was *George Bush's* fault.  Not that he has anything to do with
passing laws....but wrt FDR and the Depression, FDR 'guided the US
through the Depression', as if FDR _prevented_ _it_ _from_ _getting_
_worse_.  Good grief.
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*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  DREAM TEAM ==> Lynx, Falcon, Jaguar
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:31:20 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug10.231855.5643@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.160210.25413@natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>>
>> Gregory R. Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) writes:
>>
>>> It's a shame that it's not:  The lynx was made by Epyx, Atari had
>>> nothing to do with its creation either.  Amazing, isn't it.
>>
>>Much like Commodore had nothing to do with the design of the Amiga, huh?
>>
>>By the way, what does Commodore do besides the Amiga?
>>
>>(read: Commodore did not do the Amiga and they don't do anything else;
>>	nothing + nothing = nothing)
>>
>>exact opposites.	InterNet: glens@natinst.com	GEnie: G.SESCILA
>
>	Let's see...what else does CBM do...
>
>	They don't make the following:
>
>	C64
>	C128
>
>	A2000
>	B2000
>	A500
>	A500+
>	A600
>	A3000/16
>	A3000/25
>	A3000T
>	A3000T/040
>	A3000UX
>
>	486 Towers
>	486 Desktops
>	386/486? Laptops
>	386/486? Portables
>	286 systems?
>
>	But they did make the Amiga 1000? Or didn't they? Maybe Amiga Corp
>	made all of the above machines and sold the whole line to CBM.
>

You forgot:

	386 Towers
	386 Desktops
	A2500

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Get a Life?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:55:17 GMT

stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack) writes:
: It is also used for presentations and color desk-top publishing. What other
: serious uses do the rest of you enjoy?

A dumb terminal?  ;)

Greg

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Amigas
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Aug17.193856.8589@news.uit.no> borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.113527.10926@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>A800?  Well there's a new one!  I think we've now heard : A800, A1200,
>>A2200, A3000+ and A4000.  
>
>Yeah, and the A700 too! (I'll see if I remember to bring the text with me
>and post it here. Sounds like much of the rumours heard here)

What about the A3400 with AA chipset, IDE instead of SCSI, CPU on a card
instead of the motherboard, case similar to A3000 with floppies arranged
vertically instead of horizontally, etc., etc.  :-)

>>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
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From: dleland@nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aa chip set
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:19:48 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: NMSU

I am glad somebody brought this up. I am really getting tired of hearing
people bitch and whine that Commodore tries to "screw" their users by
making new chips. If they don't make new chips with the 32 bit data path
everybody has been whining for for years, they get yelled at for being
backward. And then when they DO make them they get yelled at for making
chips that won't fit into a 16 bit bus. I really do think this is an example
of what a lot of developers dread about the Amiga market. Users like this just
have made up their minds that they will not be pleased no matter what C=
does. The idea that C= is screwing you is SO pervasive that no amount of 
good work will every make some people think otherwise. This is like saying
you demand a totally salt free meal at Denny's, then complaining because the
food tastes bland and won't fit into your existing diet. 

Get a life guys! The old Amigas use a 16 bit bus. The new chipset will
(probably) use a 32 bit bus. They will NOT be backward compatable. This is
an inevitable result of progress. This isn't because some fiend at Commodore
in a smoke filled room cackled to the board of directors, "heh heh heh,
well, heh heh heh, I have a mean idea! Let's make a new chipset just so
everybody will buy our new machines! HEH HEH HEH! Let's add more colors and
better data handling and higher resolution JUST TO SPITE THEM! HEH! That
will teach em!"


 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:47:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

heuvdp@cbmnl.nl.so.commodore.com (Paul Heu vd Netherlands) writes:
>> 
>> What the hell does this mean?  What does OS/2 have to do to multitask as
>> effectively as UNIX or AmigaDOS?  Do you know what you're talking about at
>> all?
>
>How about the ability to open a shell, start an editor which
>detaches itself from that shell, opens it's own screen and
>return the shell to the user who can then use the SAME shell
>for another operation..
>

This is easy to do in OS/2.  If you've never used OS/2, why
comment on it and spread your ignorance?

>
>How about the option to open an application on another screen
>(or a window on any public screen is allowed). Th biggest
>problem I have with PC's (and MACs for that matter) is you
>HAVE to open any application on ONE screen. 
>

Yes.  Multiple GUI screens is something that OS/2 doesn't have, at
least not with any of its currently-available video drivers.  I personally
don't think it is a useful feature, but that's subjective.

>
>Even AmigaUNIX enables you to login more times on the same
>machine on different screens.
>

OS/2 lets you open multiple text screens, although the window system only
uses one.  It's still obvious that you've never used OS/2.
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:08:11 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1992Aug18.235230.25841@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>
>We hear all this talk about the A600 and how it really isn't that bad...
>
>I'm just curious to know if you had a choice between purchasing an
>Amiga 600 for $400 or a Falcon 030 (with specs. that were mentioned here)
>for $700, which would you buy?

Neither.  I'm not in the A600's market.  There are plenty of people out there,
though, who can't, or just don't want to spend more than $500 - so they
have to get the A600.  What if your budget were $1000, say?  Then, you
might want the A600 + monitor + HD and get a usable system, rather than
just the Falcon with no video.

Once you include monitor and hard drive in the Falcon, the competition
isn't the Amiga 600 - it's PC clones, and (possibly) C='s new low-end
system when it arrives.


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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:14:17 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>>The original A1000 list price was $1495.  

>As Andy reminds us all, the A1000 list price was actually $1295 on introductio
>I was thinking of something else here.  I know I got mine for under $1200 in
>early '86.

  I've got a receipt here from 11/85, $1495 for the base machine, never saw it
for $1295 at that time, would've jumped if so.

  -jack-
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Lawnmowers VS Go-Carts Re: 21 Rules for c.s.a.a postings
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:36:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.074100.920@agora.uucp> tinman@agora.uucp (David Tinnyo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.105340.8911@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>>
>>		3:Okay, even if you must post one of those XYZ has this, so
>>		  it must mean the imminent death of the Amiga, at least keep
>>		  XYZ in the same class as an Amiga.  No comparisons to game 
>>		  decks, PLEASE!  This is like comparing a lawn mower to a go-
>>		  kart.  They both generally travel at the same speeds, but one
>>		  is more versatile than the other.
>
>Well I've been agonizing over this, and I MUST know...
>
>Which IS more versatile:  A go-kart or a lawnmower ??????

Is ALL depends on what you want to do.  The Go-Cart is so much easier
and ergonomic to use compared to the clunky ol' Lawnmower.  You steer to the
left..it turns to the left. You steer to the right..it turns to the right.
Isn't that grand?

On the other hand, the kludgy lawnmower has no steering mechanism at all! 
And custom-made self-propulsion is only not coming out, while the Go-Cart
has had it for years and years.  And sure, there may be many many times
as many Lawnmowers as there are Go-Carts with which millions of people
cut there grass, but isn't that Go-Cart so much more fun?  You know, it
is a different kind of machine, that Go-Cart, and is meant for a very different,
special kind of person...someone who THINKS about the small 2-cycle 
engine-driven vehicle they buy...  whether or not it cuts your grass.


>** David E. TinNyo **                      ** tinman@agora.rain.com **
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 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:24:47 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug18.080657.5545@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.161957.16681@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Did I state ANYWHERE in the above text that you had too?? *NO* I said that
> OS/2 was designed to stay compatible. I still don't think that OS/2 has
> anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
> I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.
>

My experience with OS/2 is obviously different - it multitasks just like the
Amiga does.  You can start up a GCC compile in a window and operate other
programs at the same time with no noticeable slowdown (i.e. comparable to
Amiga tasking).  What do you mean by multitasking effectively?

> >
> >That's not too impressive -- have you ever tried to shake a PS/2? :-)
> >
>
> Have you ever even looked at all the ads for software for the Amiga?? Have you
> ever even seen a list of the Public Domain software for the Amiga?  Sure, the
> packages aren't made by Microsoft or some other snot-nosed-too-good-for-anyone
> company, but talent isn't restricted to those companies people
> to be any good.

Have YOU seen a list of the Public Domain software for OS/2?  I wonder....

> software doesn't have to come from the bowels of Steve Gate's (or whoever the

whatever you were writing got cut off...

The best thing you can say about MS software is that MS has the funding to put
hundreds of man years into a product.  Talent can't make up for man years if
man years are required.

> >>
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>
>
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> **** The opinions expressed in this article are the of Greg's Amiga ****
> **** And not of Greg himself.  He is currently being forced by his  ****
> **** Amiga (at gunpoint) to write this article.  :) :P B) BP ;) :O  ****

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 05:09:17 GMT

In article <64465@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>So how will everyone feel if the "new machines" announced are
>the 600 and the 3000T-'040?


   Oh, I think the phrase "pretty pissed off" would sum it all up, considering
I plan to DRIVE all the way to Pasadena from Eugene, Oregon. That's an, oh,
13 hour drive with no lunch and the radar detector going full blast. Yessir,
I want to drive home stunned and bedazzled. ECS makes me limp, thank you.


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:44:22 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug19.135030.25635@bony1.bony.com> stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski) writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.204921.11217@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>In <1992Aug8.114151.3315@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>	This is pure unadulterated BS.  What is multimedia????
>>>	I guess according to *YOU* it is something Mircosoft  thought up.
>>
>>Sure.. Microsoft started inventing BASIC, the Disk Operating System, 
>>the graphical user interface using Windows and the Mouse.
>>
>>You can clearly read that from the names they give their products.
>
>You're joking, right?  Tell me you're joking!  If not, then you're really
>showing your ignorance.
>
>Apple was into GUI way before Microsoft, and Xerox was way ahead of
>Apple (which stole the interface from the Star).  While Bill Gates 
>started Microsoft by marketing a microcomputer-based Basic, he did not
>invent the language.  Also, MS-DOS was really bought from another
>company which developed a CPM-workalike for 8086 machines

What company has come ut with something so original?  If we hold everything
up to such close scrutiny, we'll have to go all the back to the Analytic
Engine or something to find something 'innovative'.  From Amigans'
definition of Marc Barret, you fit the mold perfectly.
>Internet: stevef@bony1.bony.com   |  ____________________________

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:57:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.183745.17055@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>In article <mykes.0cbt@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>You can drag OS/2 windows partially offscreen.  Something sorely missing
>
>I thought that AmigaDOS had virtual screens that could be larger
>than the physical size.  If that's the case, why couldn't you drag
>a window off the physical screen?

You can, but only off the right and bottom sides.  Also, having a Workbench
bigger than the physical screen, that you can scroll around in, is nice, but
uses extra chip ram.

Question for OS/2 experts:  Is it possible to set up a "virtual workspace",
larger than the screen, that automatically scrolls (smoothly) as the mouse is
dragged past the edge of the screen in OS/2?  Can a shell window be wider than
the screen, allowing the user to scroll sidewise to see wide file listing or
whatever, as needed?


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