HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:27:20 GMT

In article <4310010@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
   After some of the exchanges we have had over a number of subjects, it
   is not apparent whether this is said in jest or as a rebuke to the
   whinings of Joe Plutchak who apparently prefers wreck.bike filled with
   blather of machismo, braggadocio and snipes at other writers than an
   exchange of real bicycling issues.  At least I know why my writings do
   not interest Joe, he being of Harvey's persuasion.

And it would also explain why Jobst Brandt is so humorless, he being
of the tight-assed persuasion.

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: Performance Elite jacket
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:57:57 GMT

steveha@microsoft.com  writes:

> So my final recommendations:
> * buy a stuff-sack jacket and pants for occasional or light rain (ideal for
> carrying in the summer in case of rain)
> * buy a real Gore-Tex rainsuit if you want to ride in pouring, cold rain
> * buy a Performance Elite jacket if you want something like a Gore-Tex
> jacket that folds up really small, or if you want to save money compared to
> Gore-Tex

Since I started off this thread a few weeks ago, I have decided to go with
a different product.  First of all, I decided that if I wanted to stay dry,
the Performance Elite wouldn't do it because it has no hood and no matching
pants.  And about the same time, Nashbar came out with a new catalog which
featured a Prooftex rainsuit which can also double as cool-weather riding
gear.  To make things complicated, a new Performace catalog showed the
Elite-style jacket in a rainsuit design, matching pants and all, in the
clearance section.  But since the prices are about the same, I've still
decided to stick with the Nashbar suit.  It's flashier, and it has a Coolmax
lining to absorb perspiration.  I am assuming that Prootex is about as
breatheable as the Elite's Entrant, but I can't say for sure.
   At any rate, I think having a liner before the breatheable shell is an
ideal design.  I don't perspire much, but I have found that when I wear my
shoe covers and several pairs of socks, the first layer is pretty dry, the
outer layers are wetter, and the insides of the shoe covers are quite wet.
This leads me to believe that having an absorbent material next to the
skin wicks moisture away, and the cold against the impermeable shoe cover
condenses the vapor.  Thus, I infer that the Coolmax lining coming between
the skin and the breatheable shell is going to keep condensation down bet-
ter than a mere breatheable shell would.  All I have right now are a couple
of non-breatheable jackets, but by wearing a couple of wicking layers under-
neath, and leaving the zipper down part way, I've found that I can approxi-
mate breatheability by allowing a little air to mix in to clear out the
water vapor.

--
Kurt R. Krueger
University of Nebraska at Omaha
kkrueger@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Originator: robl@macro
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:51:04 GMT


In article <102420016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
|> 
|>   1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
|>      (or less).
|> 
|>   2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
|>      50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
|>      tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)
|> 
|> -- LSC

    I find that my overall performance falls off during colder weather too. 
My average speed drops by 1 to 2 MPH, and I seem to tire more easily. It
doesn't seem to improve as I 'warm up' over the course of the ride.

    Does anyone know why this happens? I've considered some possibilities 
(heavier clothing, which adds weight and perhaps some wind resistance; wind, 
which seems stronger this time of year, though it may just be more noticeable
because it's cold; and my own attitude, since rides I take on cold days are 
often kind of half-hearted), but I have no evidence or information to support
any of them. 

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA (Pete Hickey)
Subject: Winter cyclists beware
Originator: pete@mudhead.uottawa.ca
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:25:15 GMT

A cyclist was killed around here Tuesday morning.  Hit by a car.
The driver lost control due to ice/snow on the road.  An accident
like this would not have happened in the summer.

Be careful.

-Pete

-- 
Pete Hickey               | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "The trouble with eating
Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  Italian food is that in
University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  five or six days, you're
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  hungry again" G. Brown
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:37:52 GMT

In article <MJOHNSTO.92Nov16122720@jenny.shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>In article <4310010@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>   After some of the exchanges we have had over a number of subjects, it
>   is not apparent whether this is said in jest or as a rebuke to the
>   whinings of Joe Plutchak who apparently prefers wreck.bike filled with
>   blather of machismo, braggadocio and snipes at other writers than an
>   exchange of real bicycling issues.  At least I know why my writings do
>   not interest Joe, he being of Harvey's persuasion.
>
>And it would also explain why Jobst Brandt is so humorless, he being
>of the tight-assed persuasion.
>
>MJ
>--
>Michael R. Johnston, System Administrator	mjohnsto@shearson.com
>"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
>depends on the unreasonable man." - G.B. Shaw

Well, it sure is a good thing you're not an asshole.



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From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: TA cranks (was: 185mm cranks)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:16:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: msc.1992Nov16.161631.1014
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

Sometime ago I wrote that TA cranks were available in sizes from 150mm to
200mm.  Hans-Joachim Zierke corrected me, saying that they are available
from 150mm to 185mm.  He also asked me to post the following:

from h.zierke@tbx.berlinet.in-berlin.de:

> Since there is a mailer pointing to nirwana, I can't reach the newsgroup. 
> Please tell the folks that TA is going to make new forged cranks,  
> 160-185mm in 2.5mm increments, with 7075T6 chainwheels, called ZEPHYR and  
> ALIZE in spring 1993. Racing, Touring, MTB.  
> So there will be good products for short and tall people again. 
> 
> 
> Adress: SPECIALITES TA, 25 Rue de la Gaite, 92140 Clamart, France


Dave
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 1 Re: Carbon Fiber Frames
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 11:06:00 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
> >To make things more exciting, what's the fastest that people have CRASHED
> >at? :-)

>        I wasn't going very fast, but because this was my first season f
>cycling for exercise, and because I am new at this, it took me a while o
>get back on my bike after I crashed at 20mph. I slid out on a turn on dy
>pavement.
>        I finally did get back riding, after purchasing new schwinn
>wheels with much better traction, just as my road rash was healing.

You should try putting tires on the wheels.... you'll be amazed how
much faster you can go around corners!
Mark (always trying to help) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 5 Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:44:35 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <4310010@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
writes:
jb After some of the exchanges we have had over a number of subjects, it
jb is not apparent whether this is said in jest or as a rebuke to the
jb whinings of Joe Plutchak who apparently prefers wreck.bike filled with
jb blather of machismo, braggadocio and snipes at other writers than an
jb exchange of real bicycling issues.  At least I know why my writings do
jb not interest Joe, he being of Harvey's persuasion.

mj And it would also explain why Jobst Brandt is so humorless, he being
mj of the tight-assed persuasion.

Guys...Guys!  Easy there, fellows.  Let's not go melting our twisted
pair (that's wiring, not Jobst and MJ).  What we need here is a way
to create a positive environment... I know!  We'll set up a race
between Jobst and Dave "Hill" Harvey.  Hmmm... might not be fair
putting a mortal up against Dave.... Lessee.. How about we give them
both $1000 and turn them loose in a bike shop.  They have to buy a
frame and components (no gruppos, that would be too easy), assemble
them and ride a hilly century.  First one there gets all the bragging
rights and won't feel the need to "snipe" anymore.  Jobst gets to
use his encyclopedic knowledge about physics, and Dave gets to use
his quads.... sounds about fair to me!  Kinda like a battle of the
net(work) stars!

What do you think?

Mark (on your left) Hickey
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Airstryke Aero Bars
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>This payday I plan on investing on some airstryke aerobars, And I want to know
>if $100 is alot to spend for it?

Hell yes, you can look like a geek for a lot less than $100.

>2 question.     Does any body know what advantage I will get if I buy a wheel
>disk cover for my road bike, will I go faster?  Won't a gust of wind push my
>bike from left to right?.

Of course you'll go faster.  Just make sure not to poke a hole in the
side of it with your kickstand.  You'll also need one of those little
plastic things to stick in your brake lever to keep your bike from taking
off when parked.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

David Mackintosh
From: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:40:44 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <102420016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
|> 
|>   1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
|>      (or less).
|> 
|>   2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
|>      50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
|>      tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)

Colder air is more dense and hence offers more resistance.  Any pilot can
tell you that you need  more runway to take off on a hot summer day than
you need when it's cold out (everything else being equal).  This is
because cold air is denser and provides more lift.  It also provides more
drag.

I'm sure there are physiological factors, too, but no one mentioned
air density yet.  Can it be that this is negligible?

-- 
Steve Losen                     scl@virginia.edu

University of Virginia Academic Computing Center
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: emergency flat repair observed
From: dresler@cabell.vcu.edu (Dan Resler)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:00:21 GMT
Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University

gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:

>I got stuck once  with a blown tube and a ripped sidewall about a mile
>or 2 out.  Luckily someone had left pollution -- a milk bottle.  We
>cut some of the plastic and inserted it between the tire and the tube.
>This post is not to celebrate garbage but rather to recommend that one
>take a little piece of milk bottle (say a 1" x 1" square).  Won't add
>any weight and it might help.

On two separate occassions I've had a similiar problem but I didn't
have to look around for garbage -- I used a folded dollar bill. It
works fine if the hole/tear is rather small. The second time I even
forgot to take it out for a week and had no problems!
-- 
Dan Resler                             
Dept. of Mathematical Sciences        email: dresler@cabell.vcu.edu
Virginia Commonwealth University
Richmond, Virginia, USA 23284-2014
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: daveh@heart.tv.tek.com (David M. Hayes)
Subject: Re: Removing stickers from an aluminum frame ?
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:02:15 GMT

In article <wilde-141192222045@sunset.cs.colorado.edu> wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
>So, does anyone know of a reasonable way to remove stickers from 
>an anodized aluminum frame ?  The kind I'm talking about are the
>relatively permanent type that have a thin, metallic backing.

Try using a hair dryer to warm the sticker and soften the adhesive. I have used
this approach with success on many different types of "stickers." Learned it 
from an auto body shop that used a common hair dryer to 
removed those obnoxious graphics that the auto makers like to use on the 
"sports/gt/special edition/gaudy extrovert" models.

Dave (Stuck like glue) Hayes
M

From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:59:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
>
>  1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
>     (or less).
>
>  2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
>     50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
>     tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)

I was pondering on this on my way to work this morning, wondering what the
causes were.  I certainly go slower when it gets colder; this morning it was
around 5 degrees C, and I averaged 14.8 mph; in the summer I average better
than 16mph.  

Factors to consider are: the body is not at an ideal operating temperature
(even though you are wrapped up warm; perhaps the temperature of the air you
breathe affects this?); increased wind resistance from the extra layers of
clothing; psychological factors (your brain saying "why am I doing this?").
Any others?

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: New Bell Helmet w/ the Reebok Pump Sys.
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:25:27 GMT

In article <1edu6cINNd58@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>I was wondering if anybody has the Bell Helment w/ the Reebok Pump sys.  If
>you have one or heard anything about it.  I want to know.

This is the first reference I've heard of this. Is it a joke ? If so,
I'm sorry. It went over my head. If not, what a bunch of marketing crap.

Don
don@island.com

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From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Tandem Mailing List - Periodic Announcement
Keywords: tandem
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:14:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1ebcr2INNquv
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsd.edu


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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: New Bell Helmet w/ the Reebok Pump Sys.
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:37:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:

>I was wondering if anybody has the Bell Helment w/ the Reebok Pump sys.  If
>you have one or heard anything about it.  I want to know.

I guess this would give new meaning to the term "airhead." ;)

Is there a single pump for all the adjustment pads, or separate pumps for
front, sides, and back?

-Shag
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From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:22:27 GMT
Subject: Performance In The Cold
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc


Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?

  1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
     (or less).

  2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
     50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
     tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)

-- LSC
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:42:58 GMT

jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
ujinings of Joe Plutchak who apparently prefers wreck.bike filled with
>blather of machismo, braggadocio and snipes at other writers than an
>exchange of real bicycling issues.  At least I know why my writings do
>not interest Joe, he being of Harvey's persuasion.
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Ohhhhh I see now.  Only YOU Jobst Brandt are qualified to decide what are
"real bicycling issues".  Well if I had know that I would have checked with
you form the start before I posted anything. Excuuuuuse ME!
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: 5 Re: UHHH, Good God Y'all
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.142427.10337@schbbs.mot.com>
CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) palavers peace:

>Guys...Guys!  Easy there, fellows.  Let's not go melting our twisted
>pair (that's wiring, not Jobst and MJ).  ... We'll set up a race
>between Jobst and Dave "Hill" Harvey.  Hmmm... might not be fair
>putting a mortal up against Dave....

I think you're wrong.  I don't think Harvey would stand a chance.
You see, Harvey is a rank beginner, still Cat 4 even after all
his experience last year.

Jobst, on the other hand, is an  old fart like me.  He would not have
the least compunction about using wisdom and treachery to out-do
Harvey.  Wisdom and treachery will un-do youth at every turn.

If you don't believe how easy it is to psych the young and
inexperienced, go back and look at the outrageous responses to my
various postings on the aerodynamic advantages of keeping leg-hair. 

Besides, Jobst wrote the book.
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: New Bell Helmet w/ the Reebok Pump Sys.
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:33:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <1992Nov19.192527.6003@island.COM> don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
>In article <1edu6cINNd58@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>>I was wondering if anybody has the Bell Helment w/ the Reebok Pump sys.  If
>>you have one or heard anything about it.  I want to know.
>
>This is the first reference I've heard of this. Is it a joke ? If so,
>I'm sorry. It went over my head. If not, what a bunch of marketing crap.

This is for real.  I saw these helmets at the Interbike show and they
were quite popular.  The model is called the Razor (sp?) and will sell
for $120-130.  I did not try one on (the crowds were too big).

Aria Sonics has a helmet with a similar lining system.  Instead of the
Pump (tm) "technology," they use a system similar to self-inflating
mattress pads.

>
>Don
>don@island.com
>


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.