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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:12:08 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1993Jan19.155107.5126@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <weigner.3418@rcshq.adsp.sub.org> weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org
>(Jan Weigner) writes:
>
>>>Why do you belive 68060 ever will be released ???
>>>I would say it is very probable that the chip never will be released.
>
>>I will email you when our 060 board will be released later the year.
>
>Are you inferring that RCS will be offering a Fusion-60? Have to always
>be the first on the block, don't you guys? :).

Should we let the others be first???


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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:50:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmger.10611
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan25.164506.15515@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: And, once again, this 'bias' accusation.  Hmm, apparently knowing about
>: more than one computer automatically makes you 'biased'.
>
>Whoa, High Horse.  Actually, what makes you biased is your intolerance for
>a point of view which differs from yours.

Sorry, I forgot one item in my recent posting. Look, Jerry, Andy and some
other people of Commodore have built PCs. They have even built something
more delicate, the Amiga Bridgeboards, which carry a whole PC on a card,
but interfaces for output and keyboard to the Amiga. They had to adapt
a special BIOS for this and make it foolproof. They had to emulate the
differing keyboard and the video output through software and partly
hardware. Now, can you imagine (I fear not) how much know-how this takes
and finally produces? Why on earth do *you* sit on such a "High Horse"
and try to tell dozens of people who obviously know what they talk about
that they are wrong and only Jerry S is in the Ultimate Knowledge???

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From: stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig A. Olsen)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:38:51 GMT
Originator: stigo@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <1993Jan27.042943.7257@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> -double buffering
	Can be done on VGA if you have enough memory
> -sprites
	Good point for the Amiga, but the collision detection between
	sprites is a bit let-down.
> -advanced viewports, superbitmaps, scrolling
	The way I run X with virtual screensize on my PC functions very much
	like superbitmaps (Linux/Xfree/with S3 server(beta))
> -palette sharing
> -interleaved bitmaps
	No need when you have byte addressed memory
> -mode promotion
> -multiple screens; new 'attached' screens
	This of course is one of the strong points of my amiga.
> -PAL/NTSC compatible video outputs
> -all screenmodes supports all color modes!
	1 monitor supports all screenmodes :-)
> -262,144 colors onscreen in any resolution
> -fast full screen animation
	The animation on my PC has not been any worse than on my amiga.
	I think aaplay on .fli files is just as good as anims, if not
	better.
> -inexpensive genlocking and video boards 
	Another strong point for the Amiga
> -composite and RGB outputs, SVGA compatible display devices

> [stuff...]
> animation does not mean that SVGA is better than AGA! And games on the Amiga
> have much more potential than those on cheesy IBM's.

The PC is better for vector and dungeon type games, the amiga is best
for action/multiple playfield games like shoot-em-ups, platform etc. 

Just for the record, I have both an Amiga and a PC.
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From: gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
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Date: 21 Jan 93 20:14:46 MET
Organization: private Amiga Site

In article <1993Jan19.193144.28671@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
> :
> : >What are you talking about?  So, Windows provides a generic means of calling
> : >DOS functions.  How does that prove that it uses it for its own code?
> :
> :   If Windows is such a complete environment, why would there be a *need* for
> : a Windows application to call an MS-DOS function?
> :
>
> There isn't.  I've written several Windows applications, and none have used
> DOS3Call().

Does this imply that with some effort someone could circumvent the need to
run ms-dos in order to run windows? Is the "ms-dos dependancy" of Windows
just a Microsoft marketing trick to sell a ms-dos for each Windows, a
mechanism simple enough to be outsmarted by clever Windows programmers?

> :
> :   Obviously it isn't complete, MS-DOS *must* be providing something that
> : Windows lacks beyond file I/O or there wouldn't be a need to access MS-DOS.
> :
>
> It isn't.  DOS3Call() is just a bad way to do something that can be done
> another way.  It's there for the same reason that "goto" is part of C.

Well, this sounds too easy!

> :
> :   -jack-
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:37:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1jireiINNt6i@uwm.edu> <C1AJL4.M6F@starnine.com>
  <10589@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>

>is the US car industry: It was forced several years ago (was it under
>Carter?) into using cat's.

Catalytic converters were the *cheapest* solution to the pollution problem,
and they will not meet the stricter pollution laws set to take effect
in the U.S. before the end of the century.  That's why all the US
car makers are very interested in 2-stroke technology; they are
more efficient and cleaner burning.

The serious air pollution laws came into effect in the 1973 model
year (well before Carter; believe it or not, it was Nixon who signed
those laws), and in 1975 American car companies had made the change
almost completely to catalytic converters. The did this because
the interim solutions used in the '73 and '74 years were so horrid
they managed to strangle a 5.0 litre engine to about 130 bhp.

>US companies. So this is an example where ecological limitations has
>forced your industry into progress and this way ahead of their compet-
>itors. What more can you wish? And I'm sure there are many more fields

What this shows is that government is better off specifying
an end rather than a means. Had the government actually specified a
solution, no doubt it would not work as well, and it would cost
twice what a catalytic converter does.

>>We couldn't destroy the environment if we tried.
>
>I tend to disagree. Simply look at Tchernobyl. Only slowly it's turning
>out that it has been much worse than first estimated, that a big
>percentage of the inhabitants is deadly sick, and that that whole, *big*

I think in the "big picture" he's right though. If we destroyed the
environment to a significant degree, we'd all die, and the earth
would be rid of us. It would heal itself in a few million years.
Hardly worth talking about on a planet that's a few billion years
old.

TomK@cup.portal.com
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:22:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <10620@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: I read this already in another posting, was it also you? I fear you're

Actually, no, I don't know who else mentioned it.

: mixing it up with something different here: Helium. The difference is
: that hydrogen comes as a H2 molecule under normal conditions, and this
: molecule is already fairly big, it does not diffuse so easy through

Well, I wouldn't say H2 is _BIG_.  It's relatively small.  Of course,
yes, it's not He.

: helium is definitely expensive. A H2 molecule is much bigger than a
: He atom.

Agreed.  :)  But if I remember my chemistry well enough, it's still small
enough to make piping it for long durations wasteful.

(if)

: Well, changing the *motor* of a car for hydrogen is a snap, no problem
: at all, also little cost. The problem is the tank for this gas...

Couldn't you just put a six-pack into the backseat and go?  :)  Agreed,
though probably the best storage I can think of would be to store it as a
liquid, or maybe pressurized.  Liquid might be the safest, if you're
lucky, due to the temp.  :)

: But electric cars have the same problem with storage as hydrogen cars,
: perhaps even worse.

Worse, I'd say.  When you screw up with hydrogen, you just explode,
that's all.  With the battery acid, you screw up the environment.  :)

Greg

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:58:57 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: : : Running out of things to say, Matthew?
: : Call me Matthew again, and you won't be able to say anything anymore...
: If you don't want people to call you Matthew, reconfigure your site so that
: whatever name you like appears in the article header.  Until then, your name
: *is* Matthew :-P
Sure, I'll just reconfigure the site...  This is a computer system with many
hundreds of accounts, just on this machine. There are two sysadmins who look
over the entire bradley system (which includes about 5 main systems, plus
countless machines for departments, plus a machine with its own IP address
for each dorm room in about 3-4 dorms)...  SURE they're going to change my
name in the computer from Matthew to Matt...  These two actually like to get
work done...

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From: shambarg@netcom.com (Scott Shambarger)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:14:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.025407.9613@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <93024.135209MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1993Jan24.101614.14124@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu
>>>The fact that global warming, aka the "greenhouse effect" doesn't exist/is not
>>>happening notwithstanding...
>>
>>The fact is that it is NOT a "fact" that global warming does not exist.
>>Global warming is still being debated. There is some evidence for it and
>>a method by which it may be happening, but not enough evidence to really
>>prove it. YET.
>
>	There is evidence that also suggests that it may be global warming,
>ad it may be a cyclic cycle natural to Earth, such as how the number of 
>solar flares every year is in a cyclic steady climb.

Then again, look at any recent show on the Antartic and you'll hear
about how large flats of snow that have spanned the distance between
land masses for millions of years are starting to melt away into the
sea.  The people who have been down there for years are really upset
at their data (due mostly to the (now) annual ozone hole over the
area.

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From: xmjs@nb.vse.cs
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Organization: University of Economy, Prague
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:08:12 GMT

In article <C1HBxt.43v@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>In article <1k31rdINN3j6@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>[ ]
>>
>>Hey who knows. Look how many c-64's get sold in europe, the falcon may go
>>over very well over there. It is a dead issue in the US though.

>Except for niche markets (Atari for music and Amiga for video), everything
>except for the PC and to a lesser extent the Mac is a dead issue in the
>US. The real question is whether or not that matters.

It looks like a dead issue in Europe too. My experience says that you
won't find any Ataris more in shops selling both Amigas and Ataris couple of
years ago. My other experience says that there are always new and new Amiga
users but it doesn't seem to be true for Atari. I wonder if Falcon can break
the trend, when it's probably not compatible with anything before (I'm not
sure on this, so please, no flames)

							Marek Janous

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:04:45 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan22.162023.19198@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <wjk3rn=@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.052858.23136@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>
>>|> >That brings up something else: Does OS/2 still use the retard slash for
>>|> >directories or have the OS folks come to their senses?  That one mistake
>>|> >by Microsoft is an even bigger blunder than MS-DOS itself...
>>|> 
>>|> You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>>
>>VERRRY cute, Dan. Just random choices? Why didn't you use:
>>
>>C:\Games\Lemmings 
>>
>>or 
>>
>>C:\Games\Amiga_Port_We_Pretend_We_Invented
>>
>>	... oh, sorry - that wouldn't FIT, would it???    8)
>
>Sure it would.   OS/2's HPFS allows for 255-char. filename, directories longer 
>than the one you cited. Without have to resort to underscores, I'd just
>use SPACES.  But then again, you Amigans would not KNOW about such 
>trivial niceties, would you???    8)

Trivial niceties?  Like having spaces in filenames?  AmigaDOS _does_ support
spaces in filenames, twat-breath.

>I COULD have cited a directory named "Falcon 3.0 which AMigans do not have"
>or one called D:\Games\Ultima Underworld  
>or one called D:\Games\Stunt Island - no Amigans apply.

This is really getting tired.

>But I didn't, cause I've pointed this out a lot already.
>:-)

Apparently because you have nothing meaningful to say.

>>Because it's in the SH*TTIEST location on most keyboards!
>
>Geez, it sounds like Amigans have found the one last thing  about
>PCs that they can latch onto and bash.
>
>REALLY, it ain't so bad!

Actually Amigans could bash the old shitty DEC Rainbow keyboards just as
badly for this one.  But feel free to make it into a major issue if you'd
like.  I'd expect no less from a (this description is borrowed from another
poster) a "totally brainwashed, goose-stepping, PC/DOS zombie trooper" like
yourself.  :-)

>>Dan, you're one of those people who can point out problems ad nauseam (sp?) 
>>for any other machine, but fails to acknowledge even the most glaring problems
>>on his own system. PC people are, for the most part, all like that when it 
>>comes to the retard-slash (Thanx, Skip! 8D ), the 640K barrier, and a few other
>>things.
>
>Well, you Amigans are guilty, too, then.  Have you ever been told
>'don't touch that while <such and such> is active, the computer will
>crash if you do'??

No, why?

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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:54:37 -0500
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>: >It isn't.  DOS3Call() is just a bad way to do something that can be done
>: >another way.  It's there for the same reason that "goto" is part of C.
>:
>:   It figures all too plainly that you'd think goto's are harmful.  Even K&R
>: shows that it has it's uses, albeit judiciously.
>:

>Goto's aren't harmful?  Have you ever had to look through a 5000-line FORTRAN
>subroutine in which every third statement is a goto?

  Another of Jerry's Real World Examples(tm), eh?  

  Read my quote again, using a goto every third line definately falls outside 
the relm of judicious use, at least to a reasonable person.

>"Useful" does not imply "harmless", Jack.  Sure, goto's have their uses, but
>then again, so does heroin.

  Very few things are harmless if used carelessly, even knowledge, to which
you're proving that just enough can be dangerous as well...

  -jack-
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:21:10 GMT
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Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
:
: Also, why would the directory separator on its own be the root?  (This also
: annoys me in UNIX).
:

So that you don't have to exclude another character, like ":", from the set
of valid file name characters.

: -Eyvind
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