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From: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Changes at Alta - Doom
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:22:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: couloir


In article 98744@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <1992Oct22.225559.19736@univel.com> jason@univel.com writes:
>>Additionally, Sugarloaf is now a triple chair.
>
>Lets see.  This year we have
>   - a new triple chair at Alta (the second in three years)
>   - easier rope tow access to the north woods of Alta
>   - a new high speed quad at Crested Butte
>
>Am I the only one who sees the tragedy in all this?
>You can't have both easy access and good snow.  Period.


Yes, good snow is worth waiting (and hiking) for.  I have always
treasured Alta for it's slow lifts and limited accessibility.  

Ever ski near a high-speed quad chair?  Not only is the snow
skied-out in 30 minutes. The runs look like an L.A. freeway.

It's much better to wait in a lift line then to wait for an
open fall line!
 
 
- Doug Warren
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: "Allen Knutson" <aknaton@math.Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Showering
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:20:17 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

(I know it's politically incorrect, but the below is addressed to a
right-handed audience. Of course it applies to left-handed people as well,
mutatis mutandis.)

The criterion for a full shower is pretty clear - the ball that leaves the
left hand to the right must be the next ball thrown.  For instance, in the
four-ball half-shower 5 3, when ball A is thrown from the left hand to the
right, ball B different from A then lands in the right hand to be thrown -
so this isn't a full shower. This post is right-justified for your viewing
pleasure : -8 )							  Allen K.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: fire eating
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.190628.25022@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> lm03_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Larry Moss) writes:
>I recently learned how to do basic fire eating.  I use this more as a
>part of a magical effect than juggling or even fire eating for that
>matter.  (I "swallow" the flame and, in it's place, pull a 50 foot
>streamer from my mouth.)  This just seems like the best place to ask
>about this.
>
<

<deleted>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for making wands for fire eating?  Any
>pointers on actually doing fire eating?  I'd also like to know where I
>can learn some fancier tricks.  All I'm able to do right now is safely
>put the flame in my mouth and draw it back out, or actually put out the
>flame while it's in my mouth to get the illusion of swallowing it.
>
>Thanks,
>Larry
>-- 
>Larry Moss 			| "I hate quotations"


I've been using Fondue forkes with the points filed round for some time now.
As long as you are careful not to burn yourself on the hot metal they work
fine.  I tie my wicks on with unwaxed dental floss.

-Greg
gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Beware of the Fnord or it will eat you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: efrie@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: tennis ball number juggling
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov6.212452.14472
Organization: Washington State University!


	I learned to do 5 using tennis balls, and I swear by
	them now.  An experienced juggler recommended them
	to me because of the weight.  I thought at first
	that they were too too light for me, but with a
	little getting used to, I found the weight not a
	problem.  I think when you want to practice numbers,
	you get tired very quickly using the heavy lacrosse
	balls.  When your hands and arms tire, your acuracy
	goes down.

	I am working on 7 balls now using tennis balls,
	thinking that they would be too bouncy for the speed,
	but I am finding that it is not a limitation.

	I think the main thing is you need something light
	weight.  There was a thread on this a while back and
	there seemed to be a consensus among the numbers
	jugglers that 50g to 65g was a good weight (mass for the accademics).

	BTW my tennis balls weigh 57g.
	Also I don't think there are many tennis ball numbers
	guys, though.
<efrie@eecs.wsu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger)
Subject: Beginner 5 ball tricks
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 19:24:42 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I recommend 5551 (in both directions), 55514, 51414, 75751, 7562.
Some more elementary ones (which you are past, but would be worthwhile
for the person who was getting 9 catches) are 52512, 150, 153, 450, 453.
Most especially 150, since it forces the 5s to be asynchronous as they ought.

(Can you post this for me? My poster is broken.)


allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Conventions
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:24:08 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In <2AFEBB83@courier> Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-poly.ac.uk> writes:

>If these conventions:
>a)  last for more than 2+ days, and 
>b)  cater for large numbers (preferably over 1000)
>could some kind person please explain how you are keeping down your costs.

Oog.  I can't speak for the jugglers on the coasts, but here in the
Midwest, where the population is widely distributed, 1000-juggler festivals
are pretty rare.  Taking Bloomington as a center, I'd roughly estimate
you'd have to have a radius of 400-500 miles to get 1000 jugglers.

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Government is sanctioned violence.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-poly.ac.uk>
Subject: Conventions
Encoding: 24 TEXT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 11:26:00 PST
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Via: courier (novell-smtp-gateway.leeds-poly.ac.uk); Mon, 9 Nov 92 11:27:40 GMT

I am very impressed at the admission costs of some of the juggling 
conventions/festivals etc I hear about (usually in the USA).

If these conventions:

a)  last for more than 2+ days, and 
b)  cater for large numbers (preferably over 1000)

could some kind person please explain how you are keeping down your costs.

Having been part of the organising group of one of the British Juggling 
Conventions, I know how much it costs (lots!) and even with sponsorship from 
the City Council, I am dead impressed at these cheap rates.

Cheers,

Angus
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From: ben@crash.cts.com (Ben Decker)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: HELP! Sandra Carney's address needed.
Keywords: juggling, jugglers
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:27:24 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Help. Does anyone have an address for Sandra Carney? She's not in the
IJA roster... any help would be most appreciated!

				-Ben
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: day!nullset!rick@uwm.edu (Richard J. Moll)
Subject: Re: Beginner 5 ball tricks
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:32:46 CST
X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2)

  amorgan@csd-d-4.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes, in response to
  a question about tricks for 5 balls:

> You can try to make tosses under the leg but that is rather tricky.

Apparently, different stuff is hard for different people.  I find "under
the leg" to be just about the easiest trick for 5 balls.  You first
need to get real comfortable with it on 3 balls, of course.  Then,
it helps to pull the ball straight up with your wrist, which is
slightly faster than motion from the elbow.  Break the trick down and
learn each piece.

To decide what tricks to work on for 5 balls, think about the tricks
that you worked on most and had the most success with for 3 balls.

Under the leg is the only trick I'm close to with 7 balls.  I can sort
of do it, but the patter always disintegrates right afterwards.

--Rick Moll
rick@nullset.UUCP
From: ewn@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: fire eating
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:04:36 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <92314.153914C09875D5@wuvmd.wustl.edu>,
Andy Goldenhersh <C09875D5@wuvmd.wustl.edu> writes: 
> Hey Gary and Larry,
> 
>       I've been looking for fellow fire eaters for quite some time now.  I woul
> d greatly appreciate any tips, tricks, advice, etc.  I generally work with
> flaming devil sticks and am looking for more ways to spice up the end of the
> routine.
>       Any tips on blowing fire?  I'm still trying to tighten up my sprays.
> 
> 
>                                   Anxiously awaiting response,
>                                   Andy Goldenhersh <c09875d5@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
> 
> P.S. Any brilliant new devil sticking tricks or ideas?  Anyone?

Well... how many can you do?  <grin>

Actually, I'm STILL struggling with two sticks, myself.  But I've discovered a
whole new avenue of tricks with the single baton.  It's called balancing, and
the possibilities are endless.  Especially when you think about going straight
into them from your normal routine (it's theoretically possible).

Have you tried anything like this?  If so, any suggestions?

MB

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Need some 'basic' 4-ball help on 'moocow'
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:50:55 GMT

I just steered a new juggler who had asked for four-ball help a while back
to the wealth of 'ftp'able information on 'moocow'.  While I was at it, I
pulled over the latest copies of some of the "juggling-help" files to see
if anything was new.   Most of the files were last updated a year
ago (November, '91) but I'm not complaining because good information is
still as good now as it was a year ago.  What surprised me was that the
"4-ball" help file actually offers no help on the basic 4-ball fountain and
4-ball columns.  Much of the file is concerned with more intricate 4-ball
variations such as 4-ball Mills Mess, false showers, etc.

If anyone already has a basic 4-ball 'tutorial' on-line, please send it
to Terry for inclusion (hopefully at the beginning) of the 4-ball help file.
If not, I'll try to work something up but I'm not that solid with 4 to
be offering a lot of advice.

Please don't take this as a criticism of the info on 'moocow'.  The
ability to locate everything you needed to know (and more) about juggling
in one common place is wonderful.  Keep up the good work Terry!

yraG

P.S. Happy birthday to the help files on 'moocow' that are EXACTLY 1 year
	old today (November 13, 1991)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: sore hands
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:50:17 GMT

In article <cdm006-101192112526@145.1.92.113>, cdm006@email.mot.com (Dick Magerl) writes:
|> 
|> Are more expensive clubs padded to ease this problem?
|> 

In addition to Ed Carstens follow-up that you'll eventually learn to catch
the clubs 'softer', you assumption that more expensive clubs might be padded
is correct.  I can only speak for Dube clubs (Europeans) which have a
heavy plastic 'wrap' which covers the wooden handle and is attached in such
a way as to leave a small air space which provides for 'spring'.

yraG
"Jack of all trades ... Master of several"
From: kyle@rodan.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: sore hands
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:05:46 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

cdm006@email.mot.com (Dick Magerl) writes:
 > My problem is this: The handles of these things are wrapped
 > with black vinyl electrical tape and are quite HARD. After a
 > few tosses, my hands are quite sore becasue of the slapping of
 > the clubs in my palms. My hands at one time were bruised so
 > bad they were black and blue.

ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens) writes:
 > You are not the only one to experience this.  You will find,
 > however, that with more practice you will learn to catch the
 > clubs without them hurting your hands as much.

Yeah, but "as much" will still be agony if you practice more than
a few minutes a day with these rock hard clubs.  By practice I
mean trying to do things with clubs that you can't yet do instead
of things that you can.

Wrap 'em with foam or cork handlebar tape.  If anything this will
probably improve the balance of cheap clubs.  It sure did for my
Airflites.
From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Conventions
Summary: IJA vs. The Energizer Bunny, film at 11
Keywords: IJA Montreal and Dakotas too far away! come back east IJA!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:03:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: e2big.1992Nov9.221200.19402
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BxGM4F.8LE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL) writes...
>In article <2AFEBB83@courier>, Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-poly.ac.uk> writes:
> 
>>I am very impressed at the admission costs of some of the juggling 
>>conventions/festivals etc I hear about (usually in the USA).
>>
>>If these conventions:
>>
>>a)  last for more than 2+ days, and 
>>b)  cater for large numbers (preferably over 1000)
>>
>>could some kind person please explain how you are keeping down your costs.
>>
>>Having been part of the organising group of one of the British Juggling 
>>Conventions, I know how much it costs (lots!) and even with sponsorship from 
>>the City Council, I am dead impressed at these cheap rates.
> 
>  I'm pretty sure that no festival in North America (other than well 
>attended annual IJA national (international) fests) ever get over 1000
>registrants.  Purdue this year broke its attendance record at just under
>120 registrants.  The Bloomington fest attracted around 50 people (though
>these people included jugglers from Atlanta, Georgia (7.5 hour drive?), 
>Blackburg, Virginia and Toronto (9+ hour drive?).  
>  Bloomington and Purdue are fairly new fests.  But even Ann Arbor -- which 
>has the largest registration of any fest in the midwest (that I know of) 
>does not break 150.  
>  I don't know how fests on the coasts do.  I'd be interested to know this.
>I'm of the impression that even these do not break 200 or 300.

[stuff deleted]

 - - - - - - - - -- - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - -

In my mind there's a *BIG* difference between IJA conventions and most of the
regional festivals:

IJA Conventions                           Regional Juggling Festivals
---------------                           ---------------------------
people from outside USA come                       not likely

big names (Anthony, Ignatov, etc.)                  "    "

public show with a number of great        if you're lucky, one "famous" juggler to
    performers                              attract attendance (Nizer, Menes at the
                                            last 2 RIT Juggle-In's

workshops where you learn stuff           the same workshops over and over each year,
                                            rushed and with little of genuine interest
                                            for advanced jugglers

# of attendants (many)                    see above quoted post for estimates



---Brian A. Miller, aka BAM The Juggler

   miller@quiver.enet.dec.com   (less than 2 weeks left as co-op at DEC...)
   bnm3550@cs.rit.edu
   BAM3550@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
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From: Norbert.Distler@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
Subject: (none)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:43:39 +0100

list files
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From: grego@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Ostravich)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:20:41 GMT

In article <9211061445.AA17399@torque-wrench> tayer@Athena.MIT.EDU writes:
>Does anyone (in Colorado, for instance) know if the Rocky Mountain juggling
>supply people still have the note cards with island jugglers on them?
>

 Is this something Tricia Allen did?  The Rocky Mountain Juggler's changed 
 names but is still around.  Since Tricia Allen lives in Hawaii now,
 I don't know anything about the island juggler's note cards.  She and
 her mom run a booking agency called Rocky Mountain Jugglers, and although
 she's not in Denver anymore, her mom is.  The phone number to the
 Rocky Mountain Juggler's answering machine is: 303-869-8513.
 You may want to call and leave a message asking about this.

 Hope this helped,
 grego
-- 
Greg Ostravich - grego@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com
Member of The Colorado Throwing Up Society: A Denver area juggling club
Throw up 'till you drop!           Hurl 'till you hurl!
Juggle 'till you puke!             Come throw up with us!
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: sore hands
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:15 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 00d2679124b87928ab28005d96f9bbaf

In article <cdm006-101192112526@145.1.92.113> cdm006@email.mot.com (Dick Magerl) writes:
>As a neophyte juggler, I've just started juggling clubs after getting bored
>with tossing beanbags around. Not knowing if my already vastly improved
>hand-eye coordination was good enough, I purchased the least expensive
>clubs I
>could find, at least until I determined I could do this.
>
>My problem is this: The handles of these things are wrapped with black
>vinyl electrical tape and are quite HARD. After a few tosses, my hands are
>quite
>sore becasue of the slapping of the clubs in my palms. My hands at one time
>were bruised so bad they were black and blue. 
>
>Am I the only one with this problem?

No, this is a common problem.  You will get used to it eventually. In the
meantime, you can do a number of things.  You can use bicycling gloves, as you
mention below, you often see many club jugglers doing this. This is especially
popular among individuals who pass clubs. You can also get some padded bicycle 
handle bar tape, or even cloth handle bar tape, and tape the handles of your 
clubs.

>Will I eventually develop calluses (or what have you) if I stick with this
>long enough?
>Are more expensive clubs padded to ease this problem?
>

The handles on European style clubs have a springy piece of plastic wrapped
around the club's dowel.  This is then wrapped with tape or with vinyl.  The
handles are softer.  You can also purchase soft clubs, made out of foam rubber
molded around a central dowel.  These are available from Reflection, Co, P.O. 
Box 10816, Blacksburg Va 24060.  Jugglebug, 7506j Olympic View Dr., 
Edmonds WA 98020S, also sells soft clubs.  The soft clubs from Reflection
Co. were reasonable priced, around $12-15 (U.S.) per club,  the Jugglebug clubs
were more expensive, but I don't recall the price.  

>I've somewhat relieved the problem by wearing a pair of bicycling gloves
>which have no fingers and are padded in the palm. They look kinda dumb
>though.
>
>Any comments would be appreciated.
>
>Dick Magerl


-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: cdm006@email.mot.com (Dick Magerl)
Subject: sore hands
Organization: Motorola Comm
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:58:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.juggling

As a neophyte juggler, I've just started juggling clubs after getting bored
with tossing beanbags around. Not knowing if my already vastly improved
hand-eye coordination was good enough, I purchased the least expensive
clubs I
could find, at least until I determined I could do this.

My problem is this: The handles of these things are wrapped with black
vinyl electrical tape and are quite HARD. After a few tosses, my hands are
quite
sore becasue of the slapping of the clubs in my palms. My hands at one time
were bruised so bad they were black and blue. 

Am I the only one with this problem?
Will I eventually develop calluses (or what have you) if I stick with this
long enough?
Are more expensive clubs padded to ease this problem?

I've somewhat relieved the problem by wearing a pair of bicycling gloves
which have no fingers and are padded in the palm. They look kinda dumb
though.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Dick Magerl
From: kpf@oasis.icl.co.uk (Karl Funk)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Convention in Leeds (UK)????
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:58:20 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi,
	Rumour has it that there is a Juggling convention/meeting/general
	get-together in Leeds this weekend. Can anyone give me any details?
	Or have I been misled?

	Cheers
	Karl.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: int281x@mdw026.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox)
Subject: juggling 5
Organization: Monash University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:57:28 GMT

     I've been working on 5 juggling five balls for some time now.  I'm at the         stage where I can do about 9 or ten throws and then it's all over.  The
     problem is that I've been at this stage for quite some time and don't
     seem to be progressing in a hurry.  Can anyone who knows how to juggle
     5 please tell me about how they learnt and problems encountered and how
     to solve these problems.
  
     Also,  how many people can actually juggle 5 ?  Does juggling 5 put one
     in an elite class or is it assumed of someone who claims to be a juggler?

     Also,  what's the general opinion of tennis balls for juggling 5 ?  Juggling
     balls aren't that cheap !
From: kpf@getafix (Karl Funk)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Convention in Leeds (UK)????
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:33:06 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi,
	Rumour has it that there is a Juggling convention/meeting/general
	get-together in Leeds this weekend. Can anyone give me any details?
	Or have I been misled?

	Cheers
	Karl.
From: acs_wink@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: full shower... or not?
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:54:33 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Hi Folks!

I'm new to this list, so don't kill me or anything...

I finally got to writing this after being kicked off my system for no
particular reason several times (teach me to telnet over various locals for
too long...) 

Anyway, what I wanted to ask is: for full shower pattern (3, 4, whatever) must
the trade off between hands be a total one, or can the ball actually travel
through the air between hands for an inch or two? I guess what I'm asking is
do I actually have to slap that ball in to the other hand or can I make a 
small, but undetectable toss? What do the purists say? What are the standards?

I've just only recently gotten back into ball manipulation as doing clubs
seems to take up more time (once you get started doing shows, you don't have
much time to practice the little stuff). I envision moving from three ball
full-shower to four, and then after I learn five (HA!) I will do full-shower
with them. Then I'll die of extreme old age...


Also, does anyone have any suggestions for getting the two clubs matched up
right and thrown (doubled) when doing a multiplex? We seem to be having
trouble getting the damn things to split and spin the same way...

Remember: juggle at every available free minute... its relaxing?

Jim Wink
GreyMan  

James.T.Wink@uwrf.edu