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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed (Was: Dumb post- can't help it...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:07:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1icjrnINNup@bode.usc.edu> goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
>vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>
->...  Oh, yeah, and X-Men Classics (aka
->Classic X-Men) has been reprinting the books in order (with a couple of skips
->early on) starting with GS#1/#94.  The pre-94 stuff is more or less 
->negligible unless you're a die hard fan.  It bears ABSOLUTELY no resemblance
- ^^^^^^^^^                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
->to the X-Men of today.
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-Here's what a die hard fan thinks:
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-Actually, some of the pre-#94 stuff was pretty enjoyable too.
-Also quite a few of the key plot concepts of the Claremont years started
-then.  Eg. Among the pre #94 stuff we have : 
-
-some good points deleted]

-All in all, quite a lot of good stuff although probably a lot less 
-sophisticated compared to Claremont's work.  
-There must have been quite a few dumb stories as well, but they 
-escape the memory.
-I still wish Marvel would do reprints of the better stories though.

Yeah, i'm a die hard fan myself (albeit retroactively from #138!).  I
need about 50 more issues to complete my run from 1-present (I have 
#1, 2, and 94-my biggest gaps are in the teens and the reprint run).
I rather enjoy some of the older stuff myself.  The Adams/Thomas stories
were GREAT, with some really unique (for the time) art.  Interesting 
panel layouts and use of different perspectives.  

What i was really getting at was that for the original poster's kids (who
sound like they're rather young), the old X-Men would not be very enjoyable.
The stories were rather slow, and the art was a far cry from dynamic and
colorful (for the most part).  The books are also rather dated (lots
of scenes in coffee houses and the like, with beat poets in the background).
It is interesting to see how the title has developed over the years, though, 
and so i'm buying the run a piece at a time.  Sorry for coming across 
like i was slamming the old books!

JRjr
-- 
'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Excalibur's Future SPOILERS
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:45:35 GMT

(GRUBB) writes:

*Just read a synopsis of Excalibur #36 in 'Previews'
*and *Spoilers Ahead*
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*The RCX thing winds up and Dark Phoenix shows up.
*Yes it said DARK Phoenix; Like WHY?
*Hope it not just an excuse to kill off Rachel {Remember "Jean Grey"?}
*and that the writers remember that Phoenix and the Universe are linked
*Not the best sign of things to come for Excalibur.

 Have faith... Alan Davis is a very capable writer. Since his
 return, Excalibur has been the most enjoyable of all the X-books.
 My guess, is he is going to try and tie up all of the loose ends
 concerning the Phoenix force before having Rachel rejoin the group.

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 Michael                      
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed (Was: Dumb post- can't help it...)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:30:06 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

And, in the Lance "Squiddie" Smith award-category for responding to your
*own* post, may I present my nomination:

[Things that made the "first" X-Men (#1-93) so good partly deleted]

>Sauron made his first appearance in
>the early X-Men, as did the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (indeed, the BOEM
>fought the school right through from #3-5, an almost unheard of plot thread).

The "unheard of plot thread" is even more incoherent than I usually am.
It was meant to mean how having a continuing storyline (and villains) for
more than two issues was almost unheard of at that time (classic examples
of Dr. Doom in early Fantastic Four and Mr. Mind in Captain Marvel aside,
of course).

Now that I've done that, I can go read my diary.

"The question remains:  how do you shave?" --Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:54:39 GMT

In article <93005.151058CSTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <CSTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Ok people I'm Baaack. Just checked out previews last week and as my title
> suggests cable is getting his own book. About Time!  This comic picks
> Art Thribert to do the drawing. Not a prob.  Cables gone through some shit.
> The book shows us a Cable WHO IS (sorry) who is a little older than our
> usual incarnation. Apparently he's got a wife and some kiddies. He gets to
>fight with some Externals I think. They use Garrison as the narrative voice.
>He's reforming the Pack. Theres alot of stuff that I don't remember however
>Nacienza said in the interview that Cable and Stryfe are the Same.  Can someone
>explain this to me?? Yes I'm slow but help me anyway.

Well, you get my vote for "Worst Mangling of a Writer's Name"...

As for Cable and Stryfe being the same, read X-CUTIONER'S SONG.

Jay (=

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From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: You don't HAVE TO pay for sh*t (Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS))
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:49:28 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1993Jan11.090922.8094@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaa
n) writes:
>In <1993Jan8.175259.10361@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans
 - First And Last And Always) writes:
>
>>Pathetic. I presume Bob Harras is to blame for this piece of tripe. Well, 
>>it'll probably lose them my custom unless things improve fast - I've dropped
>>X-Men and X-Force, and would have dropped U X-Men if everyone here hadn't sai
d
>>how good it was. Even X-Factor is living on borrowed time...
>
>You're still waiting? I recently gave up X-men, Uncanny X-men and X-Factor
>(which I had complete until now, but just couldn't bear the story anymore).
>

Yep, it really is as easy as that. If you really do think those titles have
become absolute crap, just stop buying them. I did and I can't say I regret!

The sad thing is that even if all sensible guys do so there will still be
enough fanboys buying the comics to keep Marvel feeding out sh*t. 
But at least you will save _your_ money.


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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:27:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.033551.17397@leland.Stanford.EDU> sinjyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fred Sunghoon Chee) writes:
>Magneto ain't dead any more than X-cruciating Song tied up any loose ends.
>And why should he be?  Burning up upon reentry thru the earth atmosphere?
>Get real... 8)
>Come on, we're talking about a dude who built Asteroid M from scratch and
>regularly travels to it from Earth by his lonesome.

Ah, but he was WOUNDED this last time... and, as everybody knows, being
wounded makes all the difference in these types of things.

Jay (=
From: palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men:TAS
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:25:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-19.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1993Jan6.210318.881@uoft02.utoledo.edu>  writes:
> 
> 	This weekend the X-men are on for an hour. Is this the first
> 	2 half-hour shows? Or something new? Thanks.
Yes, it will be the first 2 shows.  " the Night of the Sentinels ".
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:47:57 -0500 
From: Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
	<1993Jan12.001517.6622@ncsu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 12-Jan-93 Re:
Invulnerability and hair have clue@eos.ncsu.edu (1645)

> Important context; Rogue tried to pull Colossus out of the ground when 
> Leland kicked in his mass-enhancing power, but her gloves were shredded 
> by Selene and she ABSORBED Petey's power, leaving Colossus (a) on a sleigh
> ride deep into the Earth and (b) in his human, NOT armored, form.  In THAT
> case, Peter definitely DID need to be rescued by Kitty.


ah, yes.  it's been a while.  sorry.

e
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From: decesd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Stephen De Cesare)
Subject: Re: Rahne jokes
Reply-To: decesd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.212943.11416@twg.com>, rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
|> 
|> How about Guido under a Rahne occupied outhouse singing
|> "Rahne Drops keep fallin' on my head"
|> 
|> Just a thought,
|> 
|> Jolly Roger

funny, but in very poor taste

Dan DeCesare
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From: blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum)
Subject: XMEN T.A.S.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:08:29 GMT

Anyone know if the rest of the xmen are going to show
up in the series? (Collossus, Psylocke, Iceman, Archangel,
Bishop)

Anyone know if the animation is going to get any better?

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From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:53:34 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:

>Is it jst me, or does anyone else think this show looks just TERRIBLE?
>I've never watched an episode, just seen the commercials -- but when
>you're sitting there watching the excellent BATMAN cartoon and you see
>an ad for the X-MEN come on, doesn't it look like just total trash?  Why

So you like rectangular faces, do you?

I won't even get into the ambulatroy methods of Batman characters.

					James Willer
[any opinons above are copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:09:22 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1993Jan8.175259.10361@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:

>Pathetic. I presume Bob Harras is to blame for this piece of tripe. Well, 
>it'll probably lose them my custom unless things improve fast - I've dropped
>X-Men and X-Force, and would have dropped U X-Men if everyone here hadn't said
>how good it was. Even X-Factor is living on borrowed time...

You're still waiting? I recently gave up X-men, Uncanny X-men and X-Factor
(which I had complete until now, but just couldn't bear the story anymore).

B.A.

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Rick Jone's summaries (Was: Re: Dumb post- can't help it...
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:42:43 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>6) Is there any sort of source book or history of the X-men available that
>>I could pick up to help me look like I know what I am talking about? IF not,
>>why not? Seems to me that such a book is ripe for the market now...
> 
>Lessee, the best thing i know of is the X-Men Index that D. Henry mentioned.
>It's current up until about 1983 or so.  It was a one shot magazine size 
>thing (not a comic, but a reference book with a b&w picture of the cover
>of each issue and info about the creative team and a BRIEF plot synopsis.
>Marvel also published a 5 or so issue limited series called 'X-Men Index'
>a few years back.  It had full color reproductions of the covers and much
>longer plot summaries.

I think you are talking about the same Index. And, to get to my Subject
subject, Rick Jones posted a small summary of most of the recent X-Men
issues on the late, lamented r.a.c.unadjectived last spring or so. Maybe
the plaintive sound of new fans mewing in distress could bring him to repost
them or else tell us where to find them?

While I'm at it, I don't suppose Robi's around nowadays either, and reading
this? I can only hope.

"She has a boyfriend and she doesn't like you." --Rebis

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My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: sinjyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fred Sunghoon Chee)
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:35:51 GMT

Magneto ain't dead any more than X-cruciating Song tied up any loose ends.
And why should he be?  Burning up upon reentry thru the earth atmosphere?
Get real... 8)
COme on, we're talking about a dude who built Asteriod M from scratch and
regularly travels to it from Earth by his lonesome.




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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: UX #298 proves that Scott Lobdell can write
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:39:47 GMT

In article <09JAN93.16745322.0097@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:

>That being said, I *still* get the feeling that Scott and Bob haven't
>been doing all their homework (Nurse Sharon Friedlander helped look
>after Legion, not the New Mutants.)

Actually, she did. Look at X-Men #211 when she examines the dead Morlock.
(*Sigh* remember the good 'ol days, when there was still a SCHOOL?)

---


Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely...
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:24:53 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <10JAN199319450354@udel.edu> jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>In article <10JAN93.19792560.0066@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes...

   Did anyone notice that Frenzy and Gambit were friends on a First Name Bases.
  That that mean Gambit was once in an "Evil" Mutant Group.

					Jorge
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From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Subject: Re: UX#298: Letters Page Bigot
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:43:25 GMT

In article <1iqep3INN31d@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:
>
>
>Would you care to share with the rest of us the nature of this letter?
>I haven't bought an X-MEN in a while.
>

At the risk of starting a flame-war (which personally, I think
would be totally unnecessary)......the letter was basically
thus....

Jami Johnson (?) wrote in complaining in a very self-rightous tone
lametning the fact that Prof  X. included "homosexuals" in his 
speech for tolerance, given at the concert for "Humanity" at the
begfinning of Executioner Song Part I.  Bascially, Prof X says
something like he can't wait till the day that everyone,
whether "Black, white, Jew, Asian, homosexual, or mutant " can
live togoether in tolerance etc etc (this is a major paraphrase....).
The key point is he included theword "homosexual".

Apparently, Jami was outraged by this, and calimed that Marvel
had just insulted "every Jew Black and Asian" etc. in the world
by comparing them to gays.  He also goes so far as to say that
while evrery other minority group is *biologically* based,
homosexualkty is a "learned cultural behavior" or something liek that.

First of all, Judaism is not a biological trait.
Second, most research today seems to support the idea that sexual
preference is biological/genetic in nature, rather than learned.

Regardless, (since i don't want to see a debate ont eh subject here),
this guys is obviously a hateful bigot, who needs to get his facts
straight ( so to speak! :) ). 

At first I was really pissed that Marvel printed the letter. But then
I thought about the response by the editor. Basically, they said that
the whole point was tolerance, not hate. While prof X is not endorsing
any particular lifestly, his dream includes tolerance of all
kinds of minorities and people.  So now I feel Marvel handled
it pretty well, by denouncing bigotry like that exhibited by Mr. Johonson
.
For the record, I whole heartedly support Marvel's new position.
SO if you're listening Mr. Defalco, I say Bravo!!!!!
The only suggestion I have is perhaps Prof X should have said
"Gay", not "Homosexual", since the latter tends to have a negative
connatation.

At any rate, way to go Marvel!!!!

Gary

P.S.  The letter-wrtier also started going off on "politically correct"
comics and "gun control" and other such things he apparently dislikes.
Kind of gives you an idea of who you're dealing with.


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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: bishop and sunspot
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:50:00 GMT

In article <10JAN199318472628@zeus.tamu.edu>, djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes...
> 
>i was wonder what exactly is sunspot's new blast.
>concussion? plasma? what?

	I think it's a mixture of heat and concussion. He nailed Psylocke with
it, and she didn't seem burned, but when he was talking with Stevie Hunter,
it seemed to be heat based.

>i also wonder about the definition of bishops power.
>energy rechanneler is to easy because they haven't showed him channel
>solar energy or grab a power line and electrify some one.

	I think he can only absorb and channel mutant energies. Since he
can't absorb radiation, one could assume he can't handle other, non-mutant
sources.

>i'd like to know what would happen if rogue and gideon touched

	If Gideon was duplicating Rogue's power, they'd most likely knock
each other unconscious, and absorb each other's powers (I'm thinking of the
time Leech nailed her... She lost her powers, but drained him.)

>did they ever mention who the other high-lords (i hate it as well ) were?

	They went through it in X-Farce. Except for Crule <gag> and Gideon,
most seem forgettable.

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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:03:00 GMT

In article <1io8tr$q1d@agate.berkeley.edu>, joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes...
>A Richard Darwin (who _is_ that guy?) quote from one of
>DHenry's earlier posts, asking something like, "I wonder
>how he shaves?" got me thinking about Rogue and Colossus

	Any thought about Rogue is a good one. 

>About Rogue:  her invulnerability must not include her hair,
>since she would not be able to cut it or bleach it.  But then,
>I wonder why we never see her hair burning off or being pulled
>in battle.  Of course, if her invulnerability does cover her
>hair, perhaps that is the real reason she wears body-covering
>outfits -- to hide her abundance of unsightly body hair.  Bleah.

	Not necessarily. It could be that just her hair follicles are
invulnerable... the hair can be cut, but not pulled out (it would
break first). Besides, those few times she's been in less than a full
outfit, she didn't have the "Wolverine" body hair look.

>About Colossus:  his invulnerability whilst in OrganoMetal (TM)
>form definitely includes his hair.  What I am wondering about
>him is if he had as much body hair as his buddy Wolverine, would
>he have tough, metal spikes sticking out of his body when metal?

	I don't think it would. Whenever he goes into his armored form
(TM), his hair is always "slicked down" into metal, regardless of how it
was combed. Of course, there was the time when he had a ponytail, and both
the 'tail and the rubber band went armored. But it seemed flexible enough
then, too (well, the mobility of his head didn't decrease to to an inflexible
piece of steel running his back and attatched to his head).

>-Jon Kung, wondering how Rogue kept her hair bleached during her
>vacation in the Savage Land, seeing as how it grew out so

	I'm thinking her mutant power is to have two-color hair. The power
absorption thing is just an extension of that. ;-)

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