From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: The word 'homophobia'
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:42:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <thecabalisdead@thecabalisdead.thecabalisdead>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.140618.13097@bsu-ucs>, 00daspeakman@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
> (David Speakman, Ball State University) wrote:

> > > owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> > > I still feel that this is an overworked and misapplied word.  A phobia
> > > is a FEAR of something.  But homosexuals use it for 'fear', 'dislike',
> > > or whatever.  Dislike of blacks just because they are black is racISM,
> > > not racOPHOBIA.  
 
> > Mr. Rowley,  maybe hatred and dislike have a basis in FEAR. i.e. are the 
> > result of fear of the consequences of non-heterosexual participation in
> > every aspect of society.
 
 As I've already pointed out to Mr Speakman, he misatributed this comment
 I did not write it.

> It's *so* nice to have another clueless little faery rejoin the
> fray.  And *what*, exactly, are these 'heterosexuals' afraid of,
> dear?  That we will rape their nubile teenage sons?  Probably not.
> That we will force ostrich-feather boas down their throats?  
> Probably not.  

Essentially the sexual dynamic of strayt sex, is that fucking is 
something that Men *do to* women. What litle attention they pay
to satisfying the womens sexual needs is usually only to insure that
they'll get to do some more fucking to her at another time. 
Oh sure there are some who have actually gained some level of sensitivity
and there are some who genuinely have developed real sharing sexual
relationships , but they are rare. :-)

so ... I'd say they are afraid that we will want to *do to* them
what they *do to* women.

> 
> Owen is right.  'Homophobia' is a *ridiculously* over-used word
> amongst homosexuals.  A profound dislike for something is not
> indicative of *fear.*  

I think its overused, but I think its mis-used more often.
I feel that homophobia is institutionalised, and therefore as 
invisible within our society as queers in general are supposed to be.

Pointing out the homophobia, and telling the guy he's guilty of it
is useless. Pointing out the homphobia and telling the guy he's
been used by it as much as the rest of us is more usefull IMNSHO.

> That phobias are 'irrational' is bullshit.  Many are firmly
> rooted in a profound sense of avoiding pain.  Fear of heights
> is rational.  Fear of snakes is rational.  Fear of huge poisonous
> spiders is rational.  Fear of drowning is rational.  Many
> of these can be taken to ridiculous extremes, but the fear is
> often based on a credible danger (i.e. *death*).  

the fear is that if their peers find out they let another guy put his
dick in their ass, they would be formalising that the dick-er
has power-over the dick-ee.

This is basic to the establishment and recognition of hierarchical rank
in other primate societys.

the problem is that those dry anthropolical studys don't quantify the 
reality that when those primate males aren't establishing or recognising
hierarchical rank, they're jerking each other off and fucking each other all
the time :-)


> The homosexual community is *tiny* - and of no credible danger
> to the rest of society.  

The fear that homosexuals recruit children to become sex slaves
and that these children get caught up in this sordid *lifestyle*
as a result is used to give credible danger to the homosexual community.

I have no doubt that there are individuals who for one reason or another
cannot get reasoning adults to have sex with  them, and that some of them
wind up finding easy prey in children or adolescents. But those individuals
can be strayt or queer, and I think their disfunction is independent of
their orientation.

> Their dislike is rooted in something other than fear.  Whatever
> the fuck is their problem, 'homophobia' does not describe it
> very accurately.  It seems, to me, to be designed to make the
> homosexuals who use it feel 'dangerous.'  We're *dangerous*,
> you see.  Everyone is *afraid* of us.

its because we have too much fun, and their choice is to be afraid or
jealous.

LUX ./. owen
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