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From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
Subject: HIST/SCA-RAPIER: Spanish School style sought
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:33:41 CET

O.k., I'll bite for the proposed keywording: it's a fine and
practical thing. Now to my question:
I got into (sport) sabre fencing really, if I recall correctly,
because I was interested in fighting, as you call it here (duel
and rapier, in my case). I hope my fencing style doesn't betray
too much of that ignoble origin... after all, I was even sent to
training camps in Heidenheim (not Tauberbischofsheim, mind you:
there are no good sabre fencers there).
 
Q 1): Is there any SCA fencing group in the Holy Roman Empire of
      German Nation (Palatinate, preferably)?
Q 2): Are there SCAers who also practice rapier fencing according
      to the classical Spanish school? This austere and arcane
      concept always intrigued me...
 
Greetings, Alexander Eichener <c96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman)
Subject: Re: Computer games?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:15:42 GMT

But for the ultimate in computer "fencing" one must experience the
sword-play in Monkey Island (I, not II).  Of the very few failed
attempts that I have seen fencing tried on (any) computer, Monkey
Island has the best by far!


Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton)
Subject: RE: Ping-pong & top Ten Sport list
Followup-To: Whatever
Keywords: David Letterman copy-cat, etc.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 06:17:23 GMT


Scotty here.

I have taken six years of Chinese, and in the language, you say,
" ping pong qiu " pronounced (ping pong cho).  Even the characters,
to me, looks like a ping-pong table.

But to get back to the discussion of what sports are good to take
with fencing... IMHO, I think that it is really up to the person!

But this brings me to Scotty's top ten list of all-time best sports
to play on the off nights when you're not fencing:

		10. Underwater Soccer: This sport places great
		stress on all muscle systems, while compensating
		for the slow action of the water.

		9. Football fencing: This sport combines the
		passing game of (American) football with 
		any fencing weapon.  Many of the players who
		get 'speared' are regarded as legends.

		8. Ball: This in-depth sport uses a 'ball' on
		any 'field' and requires skill.

		7. Frisbee Running: In this endurance sport,
		you throw a frisbee in front of you as far
		as you can, and try to catch it before it
		lands.

		6. Knee-lifting: While typing on the computer
		at 160 WPM, this sport not only practices quick
		dexterity, it also exercises the calves by
		bouncing up and down about 80 times a minute 
		in fear of making a typo.

		5. Yoga Tennis:  This wonderful sport uses
		flexiability techniques to get to the ball
		using minimal energy.  Often, the racket is
		used by other limbs than the arms.

		4. Volleyfoil: Using a net and your braciers,
		two teams of six bum, set, and spike the foil
		to earn a point. Besides the multiple wounds
		to the body, those stupid partiers using the 
		court before, always leave broken alcoholic 
		glass in the sand.

		3. Down-hill Tumbling: This gymnastic event
		involves the best techniques in falling down
		a 45 degree incline, without bleeding. Judging
		is done on a 10.0 system, and the winners cele-
		brate in or near the hospital.

		2. Sabre-hockey: This brutal game involves
		the use of sabres as hockey sticks.  When
		altercations turn into fights, the refs often
		have to break of the duels before heads fly.
		

		1. Badglove: Like Badminton, this sport tells
		the overall cheek threashold.  Both players take
		a foil, or better yet, and epee or sabre glove
		and strike the face of the opponent as many
		times as possible. The first person to flinch
		with the time duration receives the 'birdie,'
		and loses the bout in disgrace.

Well, I hoped you liked!  Merry Christmas and remember, make fencing
your first sport, second sports might not be all they cracked-up to be.
						      ^^^^^^^^^^

(Oooooohh, bad pun!)


Scott Compton-- galahad@leland.stanford.edu

-- 

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From: alaric@sti.com (Alaric Tekiahyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: fencing or fighting?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:23:05 GMT
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec16.135824.7170@dutrun2.tudelft.nl>, edwin@dutlru.tudelft.nl (Edwin Wisse) writes:
] ctrbdo@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (bryan d oakley) writes:
] >... or has all this already been hashed out before I got here?  As for
] >my opinion, I would prefer to see two separate groups, such as
] >r.s.f.competitive and r.s.f.sca, or some other similar naming scheme.
] 
] There already *is* an sca group! (So why don't the swordfighters go there?)

Easy.  Because it's 90% SCA internal politics and backstabbing.

	:-)/2

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From: penfold@rock.concert.net (Patricia A White -- Oxford University Press -- MIS)
Subject: Good equipment == few serious injuries
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:11:37 GMT

Having never been involved or seen a major (or even minor) accident
related to broken equipment take place, I've appreciated the
admonitions to get good stuff.  I got most of my stuff through
"reputable dealers," the only questionable item is a foil from Blade.
All this talk about equipment life has me wondering, though.

What is the average life expectancy of a mask, jacket, etc.?  By life
expectancy, I mean with regards to safety -- none of this fence till
ya drop stuff.  Does non-use of equipment lead to deterioration?
(I've been out of fencing for about a year now but am eager to get
back into it.  I'm waiting to get a pair of contact lenses before I
start up again.  Figure I may as well be *really* comfortable!  ;-)

Also, if any Doubting Thomases remain...  the slightest little bit
does make a difference.  I used to get a line of bruises all along my
upper right arm (the recipient of some harsh off-targets).  When I got
a cotton plastron (Santelli), the amount of bruises diminished.

-Patricia
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: damon@netcom.com (Damon Scaggs)
Subject: Re: electric sabre scoring?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:09:37 GMT

In article <38022@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:
>
>	What about point hits?  I used to make use of those from time to time -
>it could confuse someone (at least not-horribly-experienced people or those
>that didn't start or do enough foil) when you suddenly started at them with
>a point, as they would wildly do windshield-wiper parries as you disengaged.
>(Since few sabre attacks come up from below, unless they know foil their
>reactions can be all wrong.)  
>
>	As I understand it, with those sensors you have to make some sort of
>cutting motion to get a light.  True?
>


I haven't had any trouble getting point hits to go off.  I am primarily
a foil fencer so I like to use the point too.  As long as the blade is
moving forward, it will go off.  The only time I have ever heard of anyone
having trouble is with point-in-line.  But I find that usually the force
of the oponent hitting the point gives the sensor enough of whatever it
wants to make it go off.  I have seen others have some trouble though.  I
think they are allowing a small lunge right as the point hits the target
now to still be called point-in-line.  Usually, if you lunge you don't have
a line anymore, it is an attack.

But there's no written rule change for any of this.




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From: tjbarre@srv.PacBell.COM (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: fencing or fighting?
Organization: The Deadbeat Club
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:01:17 GMT


Actually, I'm a fencer myself, but i would kind of like to see
both sorts of discussion continue in this group.  i just wish people
would avoid the statement (whether explicit or implied) "my type of
fencing/fighting is better than yours" that i see in a lot of posts.
tjb
From: alaric@sti.com (Alaric Tekiahyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: fencing or fighting?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:33:19 GMT
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec16.182144.13537@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
] In article <1992Dec16.135824.7170@dutrun2.tudelft.nl> edwin@dutlru.tudelft.nl (Edwin Wisse) writes:
] 
] >As far as I remember the charter covered dicussions about just about
] >any weapon excluding firmearms so the swordfighters really have a right
] >to discuss broadsword-bashing here.
] 
] Yup. But what about the stupid "broadswords attacking a modern fencer"
] discussion, and the even stupider "would a pistol grip be useful for a
] broadsword" discussion? Then there's the endless "what's more
] realistic" discussion. Just think, within a couple of months we'll
] have our canonical flamewars all mapped out.

The stupidity, or otherwise, of these arguments is, IMHO, entirely in the
eye of the beholder.  I don't see anything stupid about wondering what
the outcome of an encounter between an Olympic-class fencer and a Kendo
master, for example, might be.  (If you could come up with a workable set
of common rules.)  After all, broadsword fighters and rapier or sabre
fighters met plenty of times historically.

Pistol grips on broadswords?  I don't think anyone ever proposed that.
The question of the utility of pistol grips on anything heavier than a
foil, or for actual life-or-death combat, was discussed, yes.  Why not?
It's a valid question.  (My wife actually recalls reading that the
pistol-grip experiment *was*, in fact, tried right around the year 1400,
and apparently wasn't a success.)

Realism?  Well, if you're interested in realism, then it's a valid issue,
isn't it?  If you're not, then the discussion is not stupid; merely
irrelevant to you.  Hit the 'n' key.

Greg Lindahl probably won't see this followup to his post, because the
last word I heard from him was basically a 'welcome to my kill file'.
That's fine by me; it means that maybe I won't have to put up with any
more of his narrow-mindedness, in email at least.  I just think it's a
shame that such narrow-mindedness has to exist at all in a group that
was formed explicitly as an open forum.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: dstewart@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: electric sabre scoring?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:36:04 GMT

I haven't been a competitive fencer for some time and have not kept up with 
rule changes and progress in technology.  I have heard, however, that sabre 
is now fenced with electrical equipment.  If someone could explain to me 
the physical principles involved, I would be greatful.  In particular, how 
is a valid cut distinguished from simple contact between edge and target?
Also, were any rule changes required to accommodate the new equipment?

Thanks, good luck with the new group -- Dan Stewart.
From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: How can I contact the Manhattan/NY fencing club 411 was no help
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:15:55 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: schin@acs.bu.edu


Hello


I am trying to get ahold of the Manhattan Fencing Club and/or New York
Fencing Club. 411 was "I am sorry I don't have anything with that listing".
("Click")


Thanks in advance

Neil schier
From: morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Duelling vs. "Swordfighting" (was: french grips)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:39:04 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF, Vancouver BC
Distribution: world
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In article <BzDMFx.E5J@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
|> In article <1gm09pINNmjr@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> morgan@sitka.triumf.ca (Morgan Burke) writes:
|> >If a 5-pound broadsword was genuinely more efficient at
|> >killing one's enemies, it would have been used.
|> 
|> Are you sure?  I think one reason to use a thrusting weapon rather
|> than a swinging one is that if you survived, you would have a smaller
|> (and hopefully cleaner) wound.

Smaller in area, perhaps, but it would also be much deeper, which I 
think is more relevant to the issue of fatality.

|> Remember that the French
|> used blades in duels long after the English (practical fellows always)
|> had moved on to pistols.  Gentlemen, it seemed, preferred tidy little
|> holes to great gory ones.

If I follow you, you are saying the English did not worry about matters
of gore, and were more concerned with the practical matter of killing
one's opponent.  If memory serves, however, the English banned the
rapier (in favour of their own longswords) because it was too deadly.
This implies that the thrusting weapons are the more fatal, despite 
being less gory.

Then again, maybe the English loved their gore, but disliked the idea
of actually killing people in the pursuit of it.  ;-)

|> >The fact that heavy weapons vanished at the same time
|> >armour did shows that they were inferior weapons for single, unarmoured
|> >combat.
|> 
|> It may be that they were not "inferior" but rather, unnecessary.

There's a difference?

|> If you didn't HAVE to use a bloody big blade to get at your opponent,
|> you could get a more elegant blade, nice and thin and light, with a
|> beautiful swept hilt.  After all, most people that carried a blade
|> around did it for fashion, not for fighting.

This is true, of course.  Reminds me of a dress epee the local sword
merchant was selling.  It had a silver plated blade and ornate silver
handle with knuckle guard (why, on an epee, I don't know), and black
leather scabbard with silver trim.  Quite pompous, actually, but the
tip of the blade was very sharp, and throughly frightening.  Visually, 
it is certainly the deadliest *looking* sword I have ever seen.

......................................... Morgan Burke
                                          morgan@sitka.triumf.ca
From: alaric@sti.com (Alaric Tekiahyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Cleaning the uncleanable:
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:30:01 GMT
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec14.060227.27571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine) writes:
] Anybody have any suggestions for keeping blades from rusting? I wipe
] mine down, but I am loath to oil them, because I am afraid of what the
] oil will do to the glue on the wire -- I have enough problems with
] wires lifting out as it is. I am also worried that oil will get all
] over my nice fencing whites or will get in and gum up my tip.
] 
] I tried acid-bluing on a couple blades, like you would do wiht a gun
] barrel, just as a lark. But the additional corrision resistance was
] minimal, and I have this vague impression that it made those two
] blades more brittle.

Two suggestions:

(1)	You could try wiping the blade down with a silicone spray.  The
	stuff is widely used for damp-proofing electronics, among other
	purposes.  It will actually displace moisture.  Silicone sprays
	are also clear, so in the unlikely event that you should get
	some on your whites, it shouldn't show.  It also shouldn't
	affect the glue.

(2)	You could try wiping your blade with a cloth *barely* dampened
	with orthophosphoric acid (available in many paint stores), if
	you're not afraid to put chemicals on it.  Phosphoric acid will
	create an inert surface layer of iron phosphate, which will give
	the steel a grayish appearance.

Personally, I'd use the silicone spray - or just light oil.  Believe it
or not, many of my blades - particularly ones I might be eating off -
get wiped with olive oil.  The thing to remember here is that if you
can see the oil on the surface of the steel, then you used too much oil.


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From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Broadsword fencing - StageFighting (Longish?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:58:30 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

>I've heard people argue that the Florentine (two-weapon) style
>is/isn't more effective than sword&shield, but does anybody have any
>commentary from a purely left-handed perspective? Just from my

Duke Paul of Bellatrix is a Florentine fighter.  It is VERY
effective.  There have been a couple of bouts where there were
blows that seemed "faster than light" and my first thought was
"This is what the stuff in Toshiro Mufune movies is *really*
supposed to look like!"

>effective if I had had a short sword in my off hand -- something like
>the Japanese two-weapon style. 

See above comment.  Some very big name fighters in the West
are lefties, and they tend to favor Florentine, too. 

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Re: Shane Esau - please read
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:22:48 GMT

In article <Dec.17.15.57.20.1992.8111@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands) writes:
|> Sorry to post a message to a specific person on the net, but I couldn't get
|>  through any other way.  
|> 
|> Shane,
|> 
|> We talked about the Canadian Ironman.  Was there an application you were 
|> going to send, or did I misunderstand something along the way?
|> 
|> Drop me a note when you get a chance.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Rolf Arands

   The number for Ironman Canada is 604-490-8787, Jean should answer
   the phone and I'm sure she would be haooy to send you an
   application. Good luck with your training.

   Aloha Eh!
   Curt 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: IRONMAN CANADA NUMBER
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:29:51 GMT

 
|>    The number for Ironman Canada is 604-490-8787, Jean should answer
|>    the phone and I'm sure she would be haooy to send you an
                                          ^^^^^
|>    application. Good luck with your training.
|> 
|>    Aloha Eh!
|>    Curt 
    
      "haooy", that's Canadian slang for "happy"
     
      Opps!
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Hed disk vs. Hed cx
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:41:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

From what I have read about wind testing, the disk has less drag than
any spoke wheel out there. Then why are many top pro's use 
2x cx's compaired to the standard cx in the from and disk on the rear.
Does weight have anything to do with it, or does wind tunnel testing
say that cx is faster than disk.

Dave
          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: running shoes
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:30:16 GMT

I'm in the process of training for a triathlon in
March of 1993.  There are many things I still have
to do (learning how to swim is one), but would like
to get opinions on high quality running shoes.

Background:

	Started out as bicyclist.
	
	Added weight lifting (soloflex at home)
	
	Added running.
	
	Investigating swimming lessons teaching bi-lateral
	breathing

I bought a pair of Asics (sp?) Gel-120 since I've always
had confidence in their quality and shock reduction.
After not running for a year, I've found that I now 
experience slight soreness in my knees for a few days 
after a run of 6 miles.

As I mentioned, I've been a cyclist putting in 80 miles
per week and have ridden several Centuries during the year
without any soreness.

I'm wondering if upgrading my shoe will help?  

Any thoughts and suggestions?

Thanks,
Joe

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN CANADA NUMBER
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.222951.12068@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, curt@mcm.hp.com
(Curt Simkins) writes:
|> 
|>|>    The number for Ironman Canada is 604-490-8787, Jean should answer
|>|>    the phone and I'm sure she would be haooy to send you an
|>                                          ^^^^^
|>|>    application. Good luck with your training.
|>|> 
|>|>    Aloha Eh!
|>|>    Curt 
|>    
|>      "haooy", that's Canadian slang for "happy"
|>     
|>      Opps!
        ^^^^^

 Which is Canadian slang for "oops".... (sorry Curt, couldn't resist).

 Gid Dey! Eh!?

 Chris
            
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From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:32:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Need Podiatrist Recomendation
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

               

   Can someone recomend a podiatrist in the S.F. bay area? I
   would prefer someone that either runs or understands running.

   Thanks
   -Dale

   ----------
   My girlfriend went to Amol Saxena.  A lot of the runners here tend
   to go to him or at least have heard of him.  He's in Mountain View
   off of Grant Road.  I guess he is by El Camino Hospital somewhere.

   John K.

   PS.  I think he runs about a 30 or 31 min 10k. I would think
	he would understand runner's problems. :-)