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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:03:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com>, lzs@indetech.com () writes:
|> I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
|> I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
|> start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
|> inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!

Have you seen a doctor? A real simple solution may be to work out your
upper body for a fitness balance. Try weightlifting. Shoulder presses,
bench presses, neck workouts, rowing, etc. Use the basic building up
exercises. You may find that your endurance level goes way up. But your
doctor may have something to say too.

|> I have a Diamondback Ascent EX with no "upgrades" on it.
|>  
|> I was wondering if my problem was the height of the handlebars? They are
|> adjusted as high as the stem will go, but perhaps I need them higher. I
|> was thinking of buying a stem attachment to make them higer. Nashbar makes
|> one, for example....

How about lowering the stem? You can work out your upper body a little
as you ride. Kill 2 bugs with one compilation :-)
  
|> I am mainly a recreational cyclist who likes to do rides in the 25-35 mile
|> range. I have been cycling for a long time, but never seemed to have this
|> severe a problem until I got my mountain bike a couple of years ago. It just
|> seems to get worse.

A mountain bike has a lot of resistance. It may be tiring you out, but
reports (Joe Weider's Muscle & Fitness) say that increased body strength
gives you more endurance.

|> If you have had a similar problem, how did you solve it? Please don't tell
|> me that you just have to "get used to it." I have a herniated disc in my
|> neck and this really irritates terribly. It's gotten to the point where
|> I don't like to ride anymore :-((

Your case sounds too complex for remote advice. Why not tell us what your
doctor says?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:24:42 GMT

Why do some drivers think that if there are bike paths thats where the bikes
should be and not on the road.  We still have every right to be on the road.
YEsterday I road the route I usually do with about 40 people on Tue/Thrusday.
Since I know the route very well I figured I could do it on a monday just
as well and push myself just as hard as when I do with the other guys.
What I'm saying is it's not like bikes have never been on these roads
before.  For those locals, I'm talking about the Tues/Thurs 6pm 
training rides with Spokes in Wheaton, IL.  I was on Batavie road heading
west into Fermi lab.  
Behind me was a car that wouldn't pass.  She slowed down to my speed and
stayed behind me.  There was pleny of room to move over if she wanted
to.  So she honks.  I look back.  She pointing and screaming at me to use
the bike path.  I guestured for her to go around me.  I think she was
trying to turn right into a side street.  So at least she didn't try
to squeeze past me then turn in front of me.

About a mile later some guy pointed out of his sun roof for me to use the path
to.

Now I've looked at the rules of the road.  It says that unless there a sign
that specifically says bike can use the path only, they can use either.
The path I'm speaking about it basically a side walk only smoother, asphalt
I guess.  The result is you get Grandma and Grandpa padaling along enjoying
the nice day.  Mommy pushing her baby in a stroller.  And Mr. and Ms. Yuppie
trying to exercise.  This is all fine.  I like to enjoy nature too.
We each do it in different ways.  I'm out there training for races.
If I tried to ride on the bike path I'd run into people left and right.

It really is true, the bike paths weren't made to give cyclists a safe
place to ride (they don't) they're to get bikes off the road.  

John
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Purpose of this newsgroup?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:29:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


How does the purpose/orientation of THIS newsgroup differ from that of
the original and ongoing rec.bicycles?
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Glycerol & sweating
Followup-To: rec.sport.triathlon
Keywords: gross, poison, better_living_through_chemistry
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:36:40 GMT

Recently, in response to a posting I made about the possibility of reducing
the copious sweating I do during exercise, Terry Linhardt posted a quote
from a research article entitled "Glycerol Lowers Heart Rates and Helps Cool
Runners' Bodies in Recent New Mexico Tests".  In this study, athletes took
1ml glycerol (aka glycerin) per kilogram body weight in a 20% solution twice
prior to exercise.  I went to the local pharmacy, and a bottle of Glycerin
(U.S.P.) said "For External Use Only", and added that in case of internal
consumption to contact a physician or poison control (!) center.  All
pharmacists (well, almost all) I've spoken to say that this stuff is the
same as the glycerin that can be taken internally, and the local poison
control center said that it is not toxic, but can act as a laxative.

So, does anyone know the story on taking this stuff internally?  It sounds
like just the ticket for my "problem", but I really don't want to die while
running/biking.  My ex-swim coach, who is a very knowledgeable pharmacist,
seems to think it would be okay to take.  It's just those warnings on the
label that make me pause...

My next step is to track down the actual studies done.

Thanks in advance.  Any info could save my life or my friends, who no
longer draft me on the bike, and run 2-3 lanes to the outside on the
track (unless they are in front of me, of course)! 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,de.rec.fahrrad
From: frerk@informatik.uni-kl.de (Frerk Meyer)
Subject: Re: logos from rec.bicycle, de.rec.fahrrad, and ...
Keywords: bicycle logos
Reply-To: frerk@informatik.uni-kl.de
Organization: AG Telematik
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:22:44 GMT

Ich habe mich mal an einem Liegerad versucht. Da dieses Logo prompt als
'Go-Kart Fahrer' identifiziert wurde, faellt auch vielleicht eine Verbesserung
des Designs ein:

 \ O           	       	   
 _\|_/\__      	  
(_)^^^^(_)     	    

-- 
Frerk Meyer                 Who was the most successful athlete    __o 
frerk@informatik.uni-kl.de  of the Olympic Games in Barcelona?   _`\<,_
IRCNICK = Portnoy           Ms. Anna Bolica !                   (_)/ (_)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: greg@revcan.rct.ca (Greg Squires)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:04:41 GMT

In article <ldnyytc@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
>The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom?
>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Matt

Yes, I am in that exact situation.  Luckily, this summer has been cooler
and less humid than most (except for this week).  My trick is to leave
as early as possible in the morning before things heat up.  I try to
control myself from speeding so that I don't work up too much of a sweat.
When I get to work, I walk around in the coolest area for my "cool-down"
and do some stretching.  By the time I get to my office, all I have to do
is wash my face and neck in the washroom (I keep a towel at my desk) and
change out of my bike shorts/t-shirt and into my work clothes.  If I am
early enough, I can change in my office before others get in.  Otherwise,
I strip in the washroom which is usually not too busy.  How can people
complain when there is no other suitable place to change?  After work,
I ride home, so I don't care how messy I get since there is a shower there.
Some people here go to a gym nearby and shower there, but there is a fee
involved.  Hope this gives you some ideas.

Greg

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: extinction (was: Re: Saddle sores)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:26:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.225056.17376@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug31.193157.26001@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
>
>I believe he was referring to solid leather saddles such as Brooks
>and Ideale, not leather covered nylon saddles.  The fact that you
>didn't even think of them tends to confirm their scarcity.

Yeah, I totally forgot about them.  

>
>
>I've been using road STI for about a year and a half and have yet to
>have any sudden problem while riding.  The only problem I've had is that
>the shifting gets poor if too much Coke/Exceed builds up in the cable
>guides.
>
>: This is why I would never get STI shifters.  Ther's no friction option.
>: If those things aren't set just right all the time, you can't ride.
>
>Again, this has not been my experience.  The STI rear cable stop 
>incorporates a very nice cable tension adjuster which can generally
>compensate for minor changes, and even non-compatible freewheels.
>

How do they fare in crashes?  That's another worry I would have.
Of course If you only used the rear shifting lever, and usually fall
on your left side it shouldn't be that bad.  Of course I doubt anyone
would be able to get just the rear lever out of Shimano.

John

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Subject: Re: MTB: Re: Frequency of flats
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:17:53 GMT

>Ron Feigen writes

>> Do these tire liners add a lot of weight/rolling resistance? 

In article <1992Sep2.201416.20657@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
>They do increase weight a little, but they actually
>decrease rolling resistance.  Perfect thing for commuter
>bikes.

I would like to know how they decrease rolling resistance.  Normally,
increasing the amount of material that must flex as the tire deforms
increases the rolling resistance.  This is part of the reason that
thin light track tires roll more easily than road tires with thicker
tread.  I'm not saying that it is impossible but I won't believe that
the tire liners decrease rolling resistance until I see some sort
of test.

I also use tire liners in my commute bike and measure the periods
between flats in the years on it.  I noticed the increase in
rolling resistance very easily after installing tire liners.  The
additional weight was also quite noticeable.  The tradeoff was still
very favorable for commuting.

>Scott Byer                             NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com

Bruce  -  jackson@.cs.unt.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks)
Subject: Re: Crank arm length
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:23:21 GMT

Richard Pimentel:  

> I am thinking about buying a new crank set for my road bike because
> mine does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring and I think the crank arms
> are to short  for me. I am 5' 11'' and wear pants that have a 33-34''
> in-seam.    The crank arms I have are 170 mm. Are these to short? What
> length should I  buy?

I'm 6'0", my actual inseam is 35.5", shoe size is 11 (we should
consider this too don't you think?), and I ride 177.5 cranks.  Don't
try to use pants length as a measure of leg length.  Since we can't
see each other, it's hard to tell who like high-water pants and who
likes their cowboy boots to tear up their excess pant legs which are
dragging on the floor.

I used to keep a set of 172.5 cranks around for criteriums, but I
got ride of them because they just felt horrible if there was any
climbing.  Besides, my 61 cm Klein is designed for longer cranks and
I pedal through corners that most around here don't.

You're going to get a lot of disagreement on this one, but my advice
would be to go with (or at least borrow and try) 175 cranks.

Cliff
-- 

Cliff Loucks  <=>  loucks@isrc.sandia.gov
Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, New Mexico
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: HYBRID BIKES
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|> I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
|> impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
|> 20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
|> routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
|> average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
|> hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?

I would recommend against a hybrid (or mountain bike) unless you plan to
spend quite a bit of time on rough or hilly dirt roads.  A road bike,
possibly fitted with 28mm or 32mm tires, should work fine on rough paved
roads or smooth dirt roads.

I have a hybrid (38mm tires) and a road bike (20mm tires).  For paved roads,
I estimate that it takes 10 to 20% more effort to get the same speed on
the hybrid as on the road bike.  On the other hand, the hybrid is great on
dirt, cruising on downhills that I would never try on the road bike.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

michael p.herlihy writes

> On this subject, I've notice an ad in the back of many
> bicycling magazines about a pannier that can carry a
> suit.  Does anyone on the net use one of these?

A friend here at work uses one, and it works great, he
says.  Carries a full suit, including shoes.  The only
problem I can see is that it seems to attach only to the
left side of the rack - partially obscuring a rack-mounted
light at night

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: leg shave shacks
From: oren@coma.huji.ac.il (Oren Mitz)
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:55:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel

Hello all;

That's it.  I decdied to shave my legs.  The reasons:
1.  Easier massages.
2.  Nicer legs.
3.  How would people now your a bicycler if you don't have shave legs?

Soo, after I should my self determination here are my doubts:

My sister gave me the freaks telling me that just shaving the legs
won't help.  The hair will grow back after a short period (and I have
a lot of hair....).
  When I suggested I would use EpiRop (and to all of you who didn't
play SQ4 - EpiLady, Soft and ezay - One of those rip of hair machines)
she told me I wont stand the pain.

So what should I do?  Should I shave and hope that it won't grow longer?

Thankx in advnave of any advise.

bye bye from O><M
	      [signature]
oren@coma.huji.ac.il

p.s - I read the info in faq. so I know all what was written in it.

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From: rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:11:37 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited, Calgary AB
In-reply-to: lzs@indetech.com's message of 25 Aug 92 01:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com> lzs@indetech.com writes:

>   I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
>   I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
>   start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
>   inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!

I also had severe neck/shoulder muscle pain, although with a road bike.  It
went away when I bought a bike with a longer top tube, and I threw away
my Advil.

Richard
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: leg shave shacks
Date: 31 Aug 1992 13:41:37 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cypress.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug30.025502.504@vms.huji.ac.il> oren@coma.huji.ac.il (Oren Mitz) writes:
>Hello all;

>That's it.  I decdied to shave my legs.  The reasons:
>1.  Easier massages.
>2.  Nicer legs.
>3.  How would people now your a bicycler if you don't have shave legs?

Even I can't argue with these reasons.  While massages are
not difficult with leg hair, they are a bit easier without.

>Soo, after I should my self determination here are my doubts:

>My sister gave me the freaks telling me that just shaving the legs
>won't help.  The hair will grow back after a short period (and I have
>a lot of hair....).

>So what should I do?  Should I shave and hope that it won't grow longer?

I have been told that "the hair grows back longer" is a myth.
I'm not sure whether to believe it.  I suppose a good crop of
split ends would limit the length possible, and shaving would
square up the ends.  Not a major effect, I would think.

The obvious solution is to shave and keep shaving.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: melvin@math.psu.edu (Richard Mansfield)
Subject: Re: "Hiawatha" brand bicycle
Reply-To: melvin@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:48:01 GMT

Schwinn did make a bike for B.F.Goodridge.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.003347.13242@u.washington.edu> wolgamot@milton.u.washington.edu (Greg Wolgamot) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu> Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:

>>I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>>Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>>Is this reasonable?

>FOUR BUCKS!!!???  I just got charged $15 per wheel at Gregg's in Seattle!
>Did I get ripped off?

A little high.  Shops in my area charge $10/wheel for truing.  I always
tried to convice shops that I worked at to not charge a flat fee for truing
since the job can take anywhere from a few minutes to half an hour.
Sometimes I would only charge the minimum labor charge if the wheels didn't
need much work.  Other times I'd not charge for the truing if the customer
was getting other work done if the wheel wasn't that bad.

Bruce  -  jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: r.b.mtb???????????????????????????????????
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: wrong news group
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.011949.9971@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:
>
> What about rec.bicycles.mtb???  ('nuf said!)

Please move this discussion to news.groups and keep it there.

Thanks.



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: kistler@iowave.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:00:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1992Aug25.165926.29616@ms.uky.edu>, biswick@ms.uky.edu (Chad Hall)
 writes:
> Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
>>I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>>Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>>Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
>>will be effective?  Thanks.
> 
>   Four bucks isn't too bad if you don't really have any idea what you are 
> doing with a wrench.

That's a spoke wrench, BTW, not the cresent wrench he mentions later.
$8/set isn't bad, but after you get them done for you, you can spend another
$(small number) and buy yourself your own spoke wrench (which you make sure
fits your spoke nipples).  Then spend some time in a library reading some
old issues of Bicycling for reviews of how to true your own wheels.

> ...  Also, the shops generally have more sophisticated equipment than
> the average rider will.

... like a truing stand.  It's better to have one, but you can get along
without it.  I have a really cheap gadget called a U-Tru-It (which probably
isn't made anymore since the one I have is about 15 years old) that you can
attach to your forks to give you a reference point when you true.  Similar
devices can be had, though, either from your local shop or purusing a mail
order catalog.

Allen Kistler
kistler@iowave.physics.uiowa.edu
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 12:35:23 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cypress.cs.utexas.edu

In article <Btys6w.K5w@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>In article <Btv365.4IM@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>>[riding off-road with road tires]
>>>would you believe 25 mm?  Slicks!  On a Bianchi road bike?

>>>Yes we have no mountain bikes today.

[Talking about off-road bicycling in sub-Waco Texas]

>There is stiffer stuff to be found around Canyon Lake (vic. New
>Brunafels), Garner State Park (vic. Leakey), and Towne Lake, for
>Pete's sake (vic. Austin).

Town lake, Austin?  Well, near it, anyway.

The Town Lake Hike and Bike Trail, most times of most days, is
unsuitable for bicycling of any sort, except maybe with training
wheels.  It's too full of pedestrians.  *Absolutely* no problem
on a road bike, though, if you really must.

The Barton Creek Greenbelt Trail, on the other hand ...  Well,
I've tried it on a road bike.  Actually made it the whole length
once without a snakebite.  Carried the bike a lot.  It's fun on
a mountain bike, although I don't believe even a trials rider
can go the full length without carrying the bike some.  There's
a narrow ledge with a cable on the rock face that most hikers
take sideways with both hands on the cable.  And there's the
boulder-strewn creekbed itself, which I have *seen* crossed on
a bike but can't manage myself.

Next time you're in Austin, Sam, let's do the Greenbelt.  I'm
curious how much of it you can do on a road bike.  I'm prepared
to be surprised.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc