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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:47:31 GMT

In article <96920@bu.edu> dern@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Dern) writes:
>This is my first week reading this newsgroup, 
>though I am an educated and
>avid Trek:TNG viewer. I don't mean to flame anyone in particular, but haven't
>we had enough posts already saying the same thing as all the others? 

You are quite obviously new to r.a.s. The quantity of posts this week has 
been abnormally *low* for a first-run week (probably due to most posters 
agreeing that the episode fell short). Just wait till an episode comes around 
that everyone gets excited about (e.g. "Cause & Effect"; at least 30 
followups to my review alone).

(You might also learn basic netiquette rules posted in news.announce.newusers
which advises, among other things, to read a group for at least two weeks
before posting: that way, you don't commit blunders like this).



> It
>seems logical that before someone goes off spouting complaints about the
>show, they should see what others have said. First one I read was Lynch's -
>I though it was wonderful. I plan to read what he says every week and keep
>copies of his plot summaries as a reference. Since then I've read at least 
>25 posts in which people bring up the same gripes about where they got the
>clothes, and how they got to the cave, and that Clemens was annoying, etc.

If you want the "n" key, you know where to find it.

R.a.s. posters have no obligation to avoid duplicating what Lynch
says (especially considering that his reviews now come out a full week
after the first broadcast). Factor in Usenet propagation delay, and I
suspect a good fraction of those 25 posts weren't mass duplications
at the time of posting.

I like to hear different people's opinions -- if they sounded repetitious
this week, it's probably because this episode's flaws were obvious to most 
people. Few episodes achieve this degree of consensus.


>Enough already! I agree with all of these points, and I am enthusiastic
>about discussing technicalities in the show. . . but I wish people would
>take their ego trips elsewhere unless they have something valuable
>to contribute.

Your wish has been duly noted and discarded.


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From: J_NIELSEN@unhh.unh.edu (Jan A Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:52:46 GMT
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I think that Geordie LeVar is a wonderful name; perhaps your (possible) son
will recognise it if he watches "Reading Rainbow" as well as Star Trek.  (It's
a wonderful programme, really.)  As for comments the masses may give you, pay
them no heed!  If we all did what the majority wanted, we'd be long dead of any
number of possible causes!  I have something of a unique name myself:  Jan 
Andrea Nielsen -- all my life people have remarked, as though I didn't know it, 
that my initials spell my name!  (Whatever will I do when I marry?)  Of course, 
this being New England, everyone thinks that it's really Jen and I don't know
what I'm talking about -- or maybe it's my Canadian/Midwestern accent.  But at 
any rate, I've never had too many personalized things, either; if worst comes
to worst, you or your wife could learn calligraphy or somesuch and personalize
yourself.  Geordie is a great tribute to a great character, and I'm sure your <
son would appreciate it.  (As long as he has nicknames -- there are no 
nicknames for Jan, and I've always hated that.)  
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From: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu (barry burnett)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Reply-To: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:30:17 GMT

In article Bo5@acsu.buffalo.edu, v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
>In article <81012@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes...
>>In "Ream of Fear" Barclay gave O'brien a DIRECT ORDER.  Wait a second... how
>>can a Lieutenant Junior Grade give an order to a full Lieutenant???  After
>>a closer look, O'brien's rank insignia was revealed as a single hollow
>>pip!!!!  That's even lower than an ensign.  Didn't he used to be a full
>>Lieutenant?  I'm pretty sure he was referred to as Lt. O'Brien many times
>>in the past.  What's going on?  Did he get demoted?
>>-- 
>>Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>If you're new, sorry for the scream.
>
>O'Brian is and has always been a Chief Petty Officer.  The Lt. reference is from
>season one and two (and any other season B4 the character of O'Brian was 
>established), since the actor was a 'regular' EXTRA (not portraying a named 
>part) and not O'Brian, yet.
>
>This is and will always be O'Brian's rank (until they actually decide to promote
>him.
>
>Thank you for your very kiiiiiiiiind... attentionnnnnn.
>
>Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
>                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
>================================================================================
>Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
>Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder
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>Oh, how I am confused!
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I find it odd that a petty officer would serve as tactical officer for Capt. Maxwell.  Also if O'Brien had been a transporter chief for 22 years as he stated, when did he have time to serve as tactical officer during the Cardassian war?  I would think it would require time to reach said rank.  When you consider his 22 years of transporter duty-----How old is this man anyway?
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:23:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.97776
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <91861@netnews.upenn.edu> chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
>In article <16870BE99.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>> 
>>I would be greatly surprised if the Sci-Fi channel were to be considered
>>a "premium" channel, so I'm presuming the original poster of this info is
>>somewhat misinformed about how Basic Cable works.
>> 
>
>I am the original poster.  My understanding is that basic cable costs $20
>per month.  That's $240 per year. 
>
>

This is an issue (cable exclusivity of a program) that was part of the
new cable bill that was just passed into law.  I'm not certain about
the language of the bill, however I think it prohibits such exclusive
rights. (This is a separate issue from SyndEx, however.)

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From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:34:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did aberigan@nde.unl.edu really type:
>  
>  >And [...] if all you have to do is say "Computer" what happens
>  >when the word "Computer" comes up in casual conversation?
>  
>  Nothing.  The computer reads the script.

Or more importantly, Majel reads the script...  ;)
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: r.a.s.c. readers can never be satisfied
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:11:34 GMT

In article <tlm1.717568116@Ra.MsState.Edu> tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes:
>I only follow this group lightly.  I'll tell you why in a second.
>
>I just watched TAII, and enjoyed it.  It was fun and entertaining.
>spoilers ahead...

  

>Over the past few years, in this group, one of the MAJOR complaints about
>practically every episode is that the writers are always spelling everything
>out for the viewers.  

Not that I can see. SOME episodes get bashed for being heavy-handed (or
making assertions about things without backing them up), and rightly so,
but it's by no means a uniform occurrence.



>In TAII, the writers did not spell every little thing out.

Correct. My personal objection to the show wasn't the plot gaps (except
a couple of the really serious ones). It was the sheer lack of purpose, 
direction, focus and substance.  



>I only follow this group lightly, because I found out that I can enjoy the
>shows much more if I don't read all the critisms posted here.  If there
>was something kinda flakey that I missed, well so much the better.  I
>really don't care to have all the "errors" and plot "holes" pointed out to
>me.  I really like almost all of the shows.  Its more of a feeling than a
>simple count of errors and inconsistencies. 

Simple errors and consistencies rarely bother me, unless they're *really*
key to the plot. I usually read the first few "goofs" posts, then skim the 
rest. I can't think of even a single instance where I've lowered my
grade (or opinion) of an episode because someone pointed out "flakey goofs" 
that I missed (and someone does. Every time).

I *do* find that a lot of people find different interpretations and
nuances to many shows, and if you take the union of all those people,
you'll get a far broader perspective than any one person can. I find
this makes me enjoy the show *more* (in fact, I watch TNG primarily so
I can participate knowledgably on r.a.s.)


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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear costuming question (no spoiler)
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:17:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-300992131515
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <BvEDC3.4uA@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>,
kelsey@redwing.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey) wrote:

(some deleted stuff)

> Also, either the costumers screwed up O'Brien's uniform too, or we are
> in for some significant retconning.  Throughout the episode, O'Brien was
> wearing a single solid pip, the rank of Ensign, although in every other
> episode since at least second season he has been wearing two solid
> pips, the rank of Lietenant -- and a reasonable rank for a shift supervisor
> or section head on a ship full of officers.  I got the impression that O'Brien
> needed to be "ordered around" by Barclay, and if O'Brien outranked
> him that couldn't be done.

I too would like someone to explain O'Brien's rank.  I understand the
officer's rank insignia because it follows our own military rank structure.
 But O'Brien is enlisted.  I don't think he used to wear insignia, but now
he does.  How do you tell enlisted rank on ST?

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois U-C
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TAII - SPOILER Question
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:15:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

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My daughter called from Seattle right after TAII - we had to wait
till Sat. the 26th - and drove each other nuts trying to figure
out where Data got his second head.  Finally she said, "Put this
on the net, mom. You always said anything I ever needed to know
about ST you could find out."  So please,  can someone give me
a step by step on this question?

Thanks,

Fran Adams
From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The new race for DS9 & Realm of Fear
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:59:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <17883@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, jfreund@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) writes...
> 
>	Isn't there a new treat to the Federation in DS9?  Some new race that
>attacked the space station before the season will begin?
> 
>	Is the race (I forgot the name) the same as mentioned as the possible
>cause of the disaster that killed the crew of the other ship in Realm of
>Fear?  Was this the first time that race has been mentioned in TNG?  Picard
>and Starfleet seemed real cautious on R.o.F. about this race.  What else
>do we know about them?
> 
>Jason
The Cardassians

They're old news from other episodes ('Ensign Ro', the one with the USS Pheniox)
At the end of the one with the USS Pheniox, it is mentioned that the Federation
is noticing a build-up of border defenses (such as would be done before waging
another war on the Federation).

They may be a 'new' enemy in DS9.

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
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Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: henry.lebovic@p1.f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Henry Lebovic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Series info wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:40:33 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
Sven,
 > svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema), via *IXgate 3:713/602

 > I am just wondering exactly how far behind the rest of the world we are
 > over
 > here in Australia wrt the ST:TNG series. I know we must be WAY behind
 > because
 > some of the characters mentioned here I haven't even heard of yet...

 > Last week, I saw an episode of TNG (which I don't know the name of)
 > which had
 > Will Riker beamed aboard a Klingon ship and join their crew for a while.
 >
 > There was something to do with some sort of space virus that was busily
 > eating through the ship's hull...

 > I would be very grateful if someone could tell me what series I am
 > currently
 > watching and how much of this series is left to go.
Hello from Sydney ! We are watching Season 2. That episode was called "A
Matter Of Homor". It was followed by "Contagion", where the USS Yamato buys
the farm. Our beloved friends at Channel 9 have only purchased up to the end
of Season 2. We're on our own after that (for now). If you've got access to
a modem you might find a board in Brisbane that carries the OZ fidonet
conference, which has all the latest info on whats happening here in the
lucky country, TNG-wise.

Later, dude !

Henry.

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - #229: Man of the People
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:17:15 GMT

In article <4173@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>
>Man of the People
>	Ensign Janeway				Lucy Boryer

Wasn't this girl on 'Doogie Howser, MD'? As either Doogie or Vinnie's girl-
friend?


-- 
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From: latarra@buhub.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Chess
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:38:45 GMT

bwilliam%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Bruce R. Williams) writes:
>   Also, can anyone remember in which episodes the game was played?

Well, I'm no expert by any means, but since there was only one post to 
this quesiton:

TOS: "By Any Other Name"?  I think that's the title...the Kelvins
take over and get human emotions because they have to take on human form.
TNG: the one where they all lose their memory...the beginning has Data
and Troi playing.
TOS: Where Kirk is put on trial for murder for ejecting on red instead
of double red...Spock plays the computer, wins, and realizes what has
happened.
TOS: The one with Charlie, the boy with amazing powers and melts the pieces
because Spock beat him.

That's all I can think of for now.
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: opinionated comments
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:24:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.3208.11454@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>>(Grading change: I'm dropping the music category. I refuse to indulge
>>Rick Berman by calling that goop he mandates "music.")
>
>I agree.  Did you too read that Cinefantastique October '92 Special
>Double Issue on Star Trek: The Next Generation?  In it was a small
>article on the music of TNG, and I am very sorry to hear the Ron Jones
>was fired.  His music was the best.  ESEPCIALLY BOBW1&2.  Anyways, the
>music was mostly nil in TA2, but the "look-back" part of the episode (Ya
>know, the part when they reflect on part one?) was nice, but that's
>about it.


Folks, a moment of history. J. Wong and I agree wholeheartedly on something :-)
(Being familiar with McCarthy's previous work and Chattaway's *initial* work
on TNG, I suspected all along that it was upper management's fault. Even
so, reading that article was a shock -- and it was *doubly* a shock that
Jones' termination was involuntary).



>HOWEVER, the teaser music for "Realm of Fear" was AMAZING!  A truly
>inspirational change from the traditional "plonk plonk, twang twang"
>music they had before.  I hope they do this more often, like the "I,
>Borg" one, but I'm afraid they'll only do this if it fits the theme.

Nothing wrong with varying the music to the theme (I liked the "plonk
plonk" stuff myself, although not the fact that it was used exclusively.
For the action-oriented teasers, it was just right). 

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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: S.O.S.:  What is it?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:41:33 GMT


Since many people seem to have a certain amount of confusion about
just what exactly my weekly S.O.S. posting is, I'd thought I'd try to
shed a little light on the subject.

S.O.S. stands for Spoiler-Free Opinion Summary.  It is my hope that
eventually, a large number of the people on the net who get to see the
episodes early in the week and proceed to critique them will send me a
short e-mail telling me what their RATING is (not a review -- I don't
want to be spoiled either :-)

Then each week, most likely on Thursday, I make a posting to
rec.arts.startrek.current in which I list each person and their
ranking, along with a representation of their ranking as converted to
a 10-point scale.  I also include an average of the rankings.

This way, all those people who, like myself, do not get to see the new
episodes until the weekend will be able to see in advance how good the
episode is without the danger of being spoiled.  No unnecessary blanks
or ^L's.  Simple ratings.

Anyway, the S.O.S. has gotten off to a slow start.  It seems that
everybody sends me their rankings AFTER I make the S.O.S. post.  So, I
guess I'm going to have to try to make a posting at the beginning of
each week (probably Sun. night) asking for opinions.  This might get
annoying and might end up in many kill files, but I can't see a better
solution off hand.  I'll keep the subject line fairly consistent
(something like "S.O.S.:  Call for opinions").  That way people will
be able to kill the call without missing the actual summary.

Comments and constructive criticisms are welcome.  Flames to
alt.alexander.die.die.spontaneously.combust :-)

Joe
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Music TNG vs. TOS
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.222739.24327@debug.cuc.ab.ca> Conan.Ford@debug.cuc.ab.ca (Conan Ford) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.161318.18299@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu
>(John Piscitello) writes:

>>monologue). AND...the TNG theme has appeared in several of the
>>Star Trek movies.  It may even predate the TNG series, though I'm not
>>sure.

>It does predate the TNG series; I was watching a Star Trek V movie (where
>they use the TNG theme) on videotape, and a bit at the beginning said to
>watch for Star Trek: The Next Generation

This is anal retentive of me to point this out, but TNG had already been
on for two seasons when the dreaded ST V was released.  The theme for
both TNG and ST V was lifted from ST:TMP.  The only reason that ST V
recycled the theme was because Jerry Goldsmith, TMP's composer, was
hired to do V as well.  I'm sorry I know these things.


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From: kelsey@redwing.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:38:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: unixhub.Bvpyrs.DJq
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Oct6.172401.9035@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
|> Does anyone know what Picard says at the end of the episode (I think "The
|> Enemy") where Geordie and a Romulan are stranded on a planet and learn to
|> help each other barely making it back to the Enterprise at the end when the
|> big E and a Romulan warbird are about to blast each other.  It is something
|> like "______manship is a dangerous game."  We have rewatched it several times
|> and cannot figure it out.  Thanks
|> 
|> Ted			Sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

The phrase is "brinksmanship."  It originated during the cold war and has been
most often applied to the Cuban Missle Crisis, when Kennedy and Krushchev took
the world to the "brink" of nuclear war, and dared each other to step over the
edge.
						-- Michael Kelsey
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near the Tannhauser Gate.  All these memories will be lost in time, like
tears in the rain."  -- Roy Batty