HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: ISS dissolved 
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:07:36 GMT


Source INDIA-D:

ISS DISSOLVED
The Islamic Sevak Sangh, which has been banned by the Union Govt
tonight has been dissolved.
JSS president Sayyad Abdul Rab Jifry Thangal told UNI at Alleppey
tonight that the dissolution of the ISS followed the ban on the RSS
VHP and the Bajrang Dal.



--Javed.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Stuff on IGF (Re: Dismissal of BJP Ruled States: Strategy?)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:23 GMT

Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>(Satya Prabhakar may as well sell his IGF shares :-> or wait a couple of months to buy

Dear Deepak is a good school-chum of mine so I will let that 
anti-capitalist snide remark ride :-)

Which brings me to the issue of selling IGF shares by those who
own it. I made a major faux pas the last time I posted on this
issue by saying that those who do not itemize their tax return 
may choose to retain their holdings. Which was stupid of me!

Capital gains and losses are not part of the itemization and
are deducted from your gross income independent of your itemization
status (i.e., itemize or not). So, you may actually lower your tax
liability by selling off your IGF holdings (if they are running at
a loss now). The commission costs are considered part of your capital
loss. 

You may wish to buy back the IGF shares later on. However, buying back
before 30 days is considered a wash sale and is illegal. 

Regards, Satya Prabhakar

--
______________________________________________________________
Tell me what you pay attention to and I will tell you who you are!
					-Ortega Y' Gasset
From: t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:04:51 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


In article <1992Dec11.163907.25778@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, ghouse@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
|> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
|> >Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
|> >over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
|> >their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
|> 
|> On the contrary, there have been relief efforts set up,
|> entire issues of magazines devoted to the famine, etc. etc.
|> 
|> The fact that a new problem is discussed does not mean that no other
|> problems are worried over.
|> 
|> Let me say again that the protests are not about the destruction of a
|> building so much as fear of an India in which non-Hindus have no place,
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
|> possibly even one in which they are given the choice of "a suitcase or a
|> bullet."
|> 
|> -Mujtaba Ghouse

India has been ( possibly , the only country ) where all religions are not only allowed to be practised, but are also respected. Even today ( fortunately or unfortunately ), India is the only country where certain extra privilages are given for the minorities. Name one other country, in the world today, where muslims enjoy a separate civil code. At best you may find a country where all religions are treated equal, not to speak of Islamic countries ( especially the Arab ), where Islam is the religon of the 

state and even possessing a book on Bagawatgita is treated illegal, leave alone having temples there.

India has never been and will never be an unsafe place for other religons. But the Indians only expect that the other religionists do understand and respect the native culture and traditions, which have nothing to do with religon.
From: rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:11:52 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

In article <3928@key.COM>, patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel) writes:
|> I am surprised that there is so much concern over false documents.
|> When I interview somebody for job, I look at the person's capability to understand
|> the work at hand and the depth of knowlege on various tasks accomplished
|> and/or courses taken. 
|> 
|> If the person shows capability to do the job, I care a fig for the stupid
|> paper. It would be hard to believe that a person can land a job just with a degree
|> (legitimate :) ) in hand.
|> 
|> Similarly a university should have open entrance exam, any body who passes should
|> be eligible for entrance.
|> 
|> Enjoy.
|> 
|> 
|> ---
|> Chandresh Patel			Amdahl Advanced Systems, Fremont CA
|> patel@key.amdahl.com

I agree with you but that person also clears through a pre-interview resume
screening while he/she may clear based on fake high grades, degrees etc. This 
is unfair especially when a qualified person whith a little less true academic
achievements is denied an interview chance.

-Rajesh
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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 14:41:32 EST
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
 <92351.164345RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
 <1992Dec17.070503.22841@beaver.cs.washington.edu>

-From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
-Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
-
-My dear Mr. Parakh,
-
-What is your point ? and What does your "dissertation" have to do with SCP?
-
-As a Pakistani American I find it amusing that the educated Indians presume
-every little bit of their thoughts on religion, India and even Bengladesh
-is of outmost importance to Pakistanis.
-
-I can only request in the strongest terms, please leave SCP for Pakistanis and
people who have genuine interest in Pakistan. Thank You
-
-If you are not generating any interest in your own SCI group, maybe you should
-try to improve your quality of articles, rather than dumping on SCP.
-
-
-Best Regards,
-Shams Hasan.

   Thanks for your message which is friendly in tone, if less friendly in
intent!  I ofetn post on SCI and do NOT cross post on SCP.  However, in
this particular situation where there is a great deal of anger and grief,
it makes sense to say something that the other side may find of interest.
You are of course welcome NOT to read my posting, or to post on SCI, as
you wish.

Yours sincerely,
Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: MICROWAVE OVEN QUESTION/ for ms.farnham
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:30:43 GMT

***********************************************
<	From isaac@unislc.uucp (Isaac Soundararaj)


<Ajit Tulpule (atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca) wrote:
<: In <1992Dec9.172701.1586@stortek.com> v045100@otis1.stortek.com (Jennifer Farnham) <rites:
<: 
<: >Is it okay to put a metal pan, say 9 x 9,
<: >in the Microwave Oven as long as it is in
<:                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<: >a paper bag? (with the oven on :-)  )?
<: 
<: >Jenny
<: >v045100@query.stortek.com
<: 
<
: I dont think its a good idea to put a microwave oven in a paper bag !
  ~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ Of Course!  the microwave oven will tear off the paper bag....

  Peace..
/Isaac
***********************************************************
If the question was asked seriously here's an explanation.

	It is not a good idea. It is a very dangerous idea.  any metal object inside a microwave oven will act as an antenna. The heat and power inside your oven will increase and the oven might explode. (close to).  any microwave oven will have a certain amount of leakage of microwaves, the level is deemed safe. But when a metal object is placed inside, the leakage can increase by a large amount. do not go close to the oven to look inside.  ( i  used to do it before i learnt about this, and Gosh!!! am I glad I'm


 safe) your eyes can broil in a few seconds. remember microwaves require water to perform what they are designed to do (heat oor cook). ever wonder why chicken broiled in the microwave comes out more dry than in the conventional oven. I was heating coffee in a mug that had a kind of gold plating. I heard a couple of sparkles and when I looked in the microwave (I stood about four feet away) I saw sparks flying about. I prayed to god and pulled the plug. 

try this experiment.

WARNING !!!! it could be messy and scare the bricks out of you.

one plate, one wet cloth, and one boiled egg.

place boiled egg on plate.
place plate inside microwave oven.
heat on "high" for three minutes. maybe less. you will be informed when to turn off 
	microwave. ringer or timer not necessary.
 when egg explodes, turn off microwave.
take wet cloth and clean the inside of the oven. make sure microwave is unplugged.


	now sit back and draw an anology between your eye and the boiled egg. 

I did this to point out to people, microwaves are not as safe as your plates and is not a matter to be joked about.
thank you for your audience.
shiv.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:04:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.204252@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.223706.1725@news2.cis.umn.edu>, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu
> (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
> > (Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
> > >prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
> > >>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds
profusely
> > >>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
> > >>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
> > >
> > >On the contrary, there have been relief efforts set up,
> > >entire issues of magazines devoted to the famine, etc. etc.
> > >
> > I ought to apologize for the relative ignorance of Islamic efforts.
> > 
> > But what I see is that it took US to really spearhead the effort.
> > I wonder why the very rich Organization for Islamic Nations (OIC)
> > did not do what US is doing now. 
> > 
> > In any case, we shall wait and see to what extent OIC is willing
> > to bankroll the US operation in Somalia. Not much is forthcoming
> > until now, is it?
> > 
> 
> 
> I would daresay that the OIC has been or still is sleeping over the
> disaster. I've not come across any news report mentioning their 
> contribution (though its very difficult to get "news" here in the US 
> what with their "news soap-operas" hogging the limelight each night
> effectively blocking out any other news reports)
> 
> Saudi Arabia finally decided to share its booty with their starving
> fellow "Arab and Muslim" neighbour by deciding to send a battalion
> of ground troops and some air support. This came only after their
> godfather the US came in with Operation Restore-Hope.
> 
> In any case these oil-rich "guardians of the faith" have been unable
> to look beyond their bellies and help a very humanitarian tragedy
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This should read: help *end* a very humanitarian...



Sorry for the oversight



> taking place in Somalia.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Satya Prabhakar 
> > --
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > I hate sig files, particularly ones that refer to themselves!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --Javed.


--Javed.
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Question about Judgement Day?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 11:07:10 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1gemg6INN2sc@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <lil69lINN3c4@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>
>>	Then the myth of secularism as panacea
>>		(Kashmir, India, 92) Turkey??
>
>Would you rather have that the majority implement a non-secularist 
>constitution in India. Secularism is not a panacea but its not poison 
>either (unlike non-secularism). 

Precisely, we "do" want them to implement what they think is best.
It will be surest and the quickest way of bringing out the majority
from the delusion of its efficacy!!!

For, then it will be clear  to them as well as the rest of humanity
what is "truth". Once that becomes clear as crystal:

 1. When there comes the help of Allah and the victory,

 2. Then you will see men flocking into  the Deen of Allah 

 3. Then celebrate the praise of your Lord, and ask His
	 forgiveness; surely He is oft-returning (to mercy).
Quran 110 Shakir Ali's translation.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Geeezzzzzzzzz...get a life, you guys/gals!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:17:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzApy1.ApK
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


SCI is *so* humdrum nowadays!!

Millions of dolts expressing their overly fanatic views.

Let's forget religion/caste/race/.......etc., ok?????

Anybody for a pizza??

                                  hehe...watch those desi mouths drool!!


                                                       Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Subject: Re: PVNR - IDIOT OR INTELLECT? (Happy New Year)
Keywords: soc.culture.indian
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:59:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.132324.2824@src.honeywell.com> satya@orion.hi-csc.honeywell.com (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(J. Ainikkal) writes:
>>PVNR - Idiot or intellect?
>>
>
>I spoke to my Dad the other day regarding the situation in India.
>His analysis was as follows:
>  Stuff deleted...............
>
>Satya Prabhakar 
>


 A lot people say Muslims should have given up Babri Masjid because they
 were not praying there anyway.  Does this really make any sense?
 Hindus did not fight for this place for a very long time. This problem
 was resurrected only recently by BJP/VHP for political gains. This was being
 used as the biggest pawn to assert the fanatic hindu nation concept and it
 had nothing to do with muslims not using it or hindus wanting to use it.
 It is very clear why Muslims perceived it as a token action to undermine
 their legitimacy as the citizens of India. This was definitely an attempt 
 by the hindus to  define the future of muslims in India as a minority who 
 somehow needed to be subjugated or treated as second class citizens. It was
 an attempt to let them know who was in charge.

 For all those who are beating their chests hailing the rule of the majority:
  Let's all remember that  WE are a minority here. If the David Duke's are
 allowed to rome free doing the same things that hindus want to do to muslims
 then we will all be in the same predicament.  For all those who profess that
 loyalty of Indian muslims is really for Pakistan, wake up and look around
 for a second. How many Indians have stayed here for years and even become
 citizens of US but keep supporting India in every situation? Is it any 
 different than what you are accusing the muslims of doing?  These muslims
 are born and brought up in India and they have as many rights to say what 
 they want as any hindu does. If we are going to adapt a "Love it or Leave
 It" attitude, then please read the NY Times article today(12/11/92) on 
 growing intolerance of foreigners in the US. Indians are  a major target of
 racial attacks because of their affluence. 

 Anyway, we are definitely guilty of double standards at the least.

 Raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: CNN'S BLUNDER
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:41:56 GMT

In article <1g1jk5INN8ik@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> kaul@ece.orst.edu (Kaul Arvind) writes:
>Just saw on network that CNN has once again shown the indian map on T.V
>without JAMMU AND KASHMIR.You can decide for yourselves about the blunder
>Sounds amazing isn't it ?

Did CNN show India without *any* Jammu and Kashmir or it showed a part of it.
Actually the Indian map according to the US is different from the Indian map
according to India.  India counts the place that is not in its control while
the US only counts the places that are in control of India.

Siva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: ...... From India Today Dated : Dec 15th ........
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:29:00 GMT



We have seen articles from this issue : on the fake degrees in TN : or some
shit like that ...


This post and the next are on the ayodhya politics (The word to note is
politics).  This issue was printed just a couple of days before D-Day. (?)

I am quoting some very interesting paragraphs with my comments...


To save U some eye and mental strain here's the control-L


1.  I am impressed with this journalist by name `zafar agha' (pronounced aawaa).
	This person has become a indispensable part of every excellent IT article
	ON POLITICS....

2.  ... [pp26] title `battle of wits'... (cover story) ... overnight, it seemed, the
	BJP's roar of defiance had turned into a sqeak of submissiveness.  This 
shift in party stance was radically difference from the public pronouncements of
BJP and VHP leaders that this kar seva would be a DO-OR-DIE battle; that construction
activity on the site, no matter what the courts said, would end only after the final
completion of the temple.
	Wary of BJP's submission may be a ploy to move kar sevaks into the site
unhindered and THEN DEFY the law, perhaps even damage teh shrine and force a
confrontation, the supreme court also stipulated ..... all options were still being
kept open, even that of dismissal of the state govt if it failed to control the situation.


3.   ... Rao gameplan was to ensure that if te negotiations failed -- as they did --
a show down was inevitable;  he would then force the battle ON HIS OWN turf; that of
the constitution and the law. rather than let the BJP dictate the agenda and the
battleground, as it did in the past...

4.   ... Rao was an avid student of history and he knew that isolating or cornering
the BJP is no small task.  Its dimensions are both psychological and political.
Every leader who has tried it has been consumed by the ayodhya fire - RG, VP,
mulayam singh yadav...

5.   <paras about how all the parties wrongly attempted to isolate BJP, which Rao
	knew to be a disaster>... Actually BJP revels in its isolation.  Because
this adds to its image of a Hindu protecting party, AGAINST, anti-temple pseudo-
secularsits,......  But Rao was determiend NOT to let BJP benefit from this
psychology. ...


More in next article....


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhuttam@woods.ulowell.edu (Bilal A. Bhutta  aka The Nukeman)
Subject: Question: F-1 to J-1 conversion
Organization: Nuclear Eng. Dept, UMass-Lowell
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:37:50 GMT


Hello,
    I have several questions regarding the conversion of F-1 visa to J-1 visa
and hopefully someone on the net would enlighten me on these:

    1- What kind of paperwork does the conversion process involve?
          (i.e. INS, I-20 --> IAP-66 etc.)
    2- If you are in the U.S. already, do you need to go out to get J-1 status?
    3- Does the J-1 visa allow work on-campus like F-1 does?
    4- How to get J-1 once outside the U.S.?

       If you have already gone through this process or know some info about, I
would greatly appreciate if you could relate your experience. Then I would
atleast know what to expect/avoid etc. Thanks in advance for your advice.

Regards,

Bilal A. Bhutta

p.s.  Since I do not regularly read soc.culture.india and alt.visa.us, 
     respondents are requested to e-mail their reply, and I'll post a summery.

-- 
 Nuclear Engineering Dept.   |  Praise be to Allah, to Whom belong all things in
 Univ. of Mass at Lowell     | the heavens and on earth; to Him be Praise in the
> bhuttam@willow.ulowell.edu | hereafter; and He is Full of Wisdom, Acquainted 
> mbhutta@cs.ulowell.edu     | with all things.            Qur'an 34:1
-> Well, the university doesn't pay me enough to be its public rep. too! :^)  <-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: santanu@nsc.nsc.com (Santanu Roy)
Subject: Research
Keywords: Business
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:00:45 GMT

If anybody out there can help with tips on how to start a small business
from home (e.g leather goods, software etc..), would be higly appreciated.
Also, people willing to team up for such business e.g software contracts
please contact me asap.  

Note: Serious people only !!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Dismissal of BJP Ruled States: Strategy ?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:05:44 EST

In article <92351.121527DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
(Losts of good political analysis deleted)
 
>dous losses on a national scale. Why am I saying this ? Because to start with
>BJP's base and rise in the south, east and west is very weak at this stage.
>
>So for next few weeks let us keep our fingers cross and see which way finally
>the wind blows.
 
Other reasons  to expect a poor performance of the BJP in a hypothetical
national election are financial and logistical.  Financially, the BJP has
almost certainly alienated a lot of wealthy industrialist and business people
who may have helped them in the past.  As it was, the Congress must have won
some over with the economic reforms.  Even in India (perhaps more than in the
US), money is a BIG factor in national elections.  Logistically, the Congress
is much more likely to get favourable electoral adjustments with the so called
left- Communists and/or Janata Dal who will look to uniting forces to crush
their old enemies- the BJP.  Even in the absence of national elections, and if
they merely have elections in 4 states rather than UP itself, the financial and
logistical advantages would favour the Congress.  Speculating further, in case
of national elections, I can even imagine that   Congress would emerge with a
good majority that would allow it to go ahead with economic reforms even if the
leftist 'allies' object!
 
Harsh Thaker
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:05:03 GMT

My dear Mr. Parakh,

What is your point ? and What does your "dissertation" have to do with SCP?

As a Pakistani American I find it amusing that the educated Indians presume
every little bit of their thoughts on religion, India and even Bengladesh
is of outmost importance to Pakistanis.

I can only request in the strongest terms, please leave SCP for Pakistanis and people who have genuine interest in Pakistan. Thank You.

If you are not generating any interest in your own SCI group, maybe you should
try to improve your quality of articles, rather than dumping on SCP.


Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.
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