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From: rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions regarding swapping and memory
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:08:38 CST
Organization: Software Innovation, Arlington, Tx

cwhite@triad.win.net (Christopher White) writes:

> I am new to PC's and have a couple of questions regarding
> swapping and memeory managment.  First is there such a thing
> as swapping with coherent.  Also could any one tell me how
> coherent manages the PC's memory, and if you need to tell it
> about extended/expanded memory. What are the limitations
> to memory usage within the coherent operating environment?
> 

COH does not currently have any form of virtual memory including 
swapping, but expects to have it later this year.  It uses all the
memory you have.  The 3.2 version allows only small model programs,
however (64K code + 64K data/stack).  The 4.x version uses the full
32bit flat address space so you are limited only to the memory you 
have.  Later you will be able to use the memory you don't have :-)

Seriously, I have heard reports that GCC and others use a lot of memory
so without swapping/paging you should probably have more than
minimal memory to begin porting the world to COH.

I use it for a basic Unix platform.  It has good support and you can 
develop non-GUI utilities and programs easily.
From: dfilip@colornet.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs
Keywords: GYNY U EMACS
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:46:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: Coherent version fof GNU Emacs
Organization: ColorNet Information Systems

Rick Kelly writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.114545.23055@philips.oz.au> brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis) writes:
>>This was my test of Coherent. If I couldn't get GNU emacs going, I would have
>>ditched Coherent!
>>
>>If there is interest I could try to retrive the original 18.57 source and do
>>diffs.
>
>Consider me interested.

Would you consider tar | compress | split | mail'ing the 'ported' source ?

Regards,

Dave.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Additional library directories
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9212162115@hphbbs.E.open.de> hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.063736.25929@netcom.com> ringgold@netcom.com (Thomas Essex) writes:
>>  I am currently working on a project, and want to build my own library.
>>However, whenever I specify the -L directive to indicate the additional
>>library path, I get an error indicating it can't find my library.
>>  Here's an example of how my command line looks:
>>
>>  cc -o program program.c -L/usr/local/lib -lmylib
>                           ^^
>   From my angle of view this option does not work - like some other do.
>   COH's cc even eats GNU-cc compilation flags without complaints:
>   e.g.
>   	cc -pipe -bsd blabla.c
>
>   It seems that unknown options are simply ignored, and pertaining
>   that, '-L' seems to be an unknown option to the compiler.
>   The '-I' option is also faulty - if you give too much (easily done)
>   COH' forgets about it's standard include dir '/usr/include', which
>   then must be named expressively on the command line (i.e. -I/usr/include)
>   that it can be found or even a simple "#include <stdio.h>" will
>   result in an error message.

I don't seem to have this problem compiling GNU sources.

>>The error I get indicates it is unable to locate library libmylib.a. And
>>looking withing the /usr/local/lib directory I have the file libmylib.a.
>>Also, if I link /usr/local/lib/libmylib.a to /usr/lib the command line works
>>perfectly.
>>  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? 
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       You take COH' as a reliable system - that's your mistake ...
>       COH' is "banana software" (gets ripe at the customer's site) and
>       for $$99 you cannot expect MWC that they test the stuff decently
>       they deliver. Sad to say - but that's the mere truth as the V4
>       release proved in many ways ...


Coherent seems pretty reliable to me.  MWC software is alpha and beta tested
before it is shipped.  It's unfortunate that MWC can't supply you with your
favorite C compiler.

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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Calling man for 'two-word' subjects?
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:48:30 GMT

kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas) writes:
: Hi:
: 	I was wondering how to access man articles for 'two-
: worded' subjects; ie 'modem control'? I can't find it in the manual,
: man modemcontrol, man modem-control and man modem_control all fail.
: Suggestions?
:

$ man "modem control"

or

$ man 'modem control' 

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:22:35 GMT

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
: In article <92121119682@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
: >dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons) writes:
: >> What is the problem? We have a standard why not follow it? Some of us
: >> obtined COHERENT in order to learn programming. Don
: >> 
: >The Coherent compiler does follow a standard. And you can definitely learn
: >to program with it. I work with both K&R and ANSI. I may be the only
: >person on Earth that feels this way, but I prefer to work in K&R. If I had
: 
: You are not alone.  I too prefer K&R to the ANSI standard.

You are really not alone, I prefer K&R too because it's portable
to somewhat older platforms. Sure am I interested to get gcc, but
not because of the ANSI stuff, the ++ is what I want to play with.
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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Collecting system metrics
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:13:19 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
> Superuser (root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca) wrote:
> : dfilip@colornet.com () writes:
> : > Is there any way I can collect system utilization metrics ? I am looking for
> : > things like # of processes in the run queue, memory usage (kernel/user),
> : > % of time in user/kernel/idle, etc. Sort of the things you can get from
> : > the uptime and vmstat commands under Sun OS.
> : > 
> : > 
> : > Regards,
> : > 
> : > Dave.
> : 
> : I know of no off the shelf utility that does what you want. There is output
> : from ps and sa that can be digested, but it might not give you what you
> : need. There is a way, however. The device drivers have access to kernel
> : variables. In proc.h there is a definition for the struct proc typedefed
> : as PROC. This sruct probably contains all of the information you could
> : ever want. The proc structs are in a doubly linked chain. There is a
> : global variable memtioned in proc.h called eprocp which is a pointer to
> : the init process. You could grab that pointer and walk the chain of 
> : proc structs to gather the information you want.
> 
> this SOUNDS like something that might be usable in porting u386mon
> to Coh 4.0. Anybody out there have any knowledge of this? It'd be real
> neat if someone could do that!
> 
> Fred
> 
It is wise to wait a bit longer. I've been using the beta DDK. But
in the distribution DDK, apparently, the methods that ps uses have
been changed. The new methods *sound*  more attractive for the
pursuit of system monitoring.


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From: kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas)
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:00:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vacaville, CA

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.114545.23055@philips.oz.au> brianw@philips.oz.au (Brian Wallis) writes:

> >
> >If there is interest I could try to retrive the original 18.57 source and do
> >diffs.
> 
> Consider me interested.
> 
	Me too! But, please include the COH diffs in a subdirectory, 
and include the whole source. That way it could be ported to other 
boxes... Oh. I think that the GNU 'copyleft' says something like that 
too.
	I guess placing it on raven would be a good spot.
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From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Coh vs. Taylor uucp (was Re: 16550 support appears buggy)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:22:47 +0100

From article <66@colornet.com>, by dfilip@colornet.com ():
> 
> I hope MWC is listening! One of the strongest
> selling points, I believe, of Coherent is that you can use it as a LEARNING
> system, and you don't have to put a lot of blood and sweat to keep the thing
> going.

> Coherent's current UUCP kludge basically just runs itself, and I havn't
> really had any problems. I don't want to have to start worrying about UUCP
> problems when I upgrade, and really DON'T want to have to worry about should
> I install with HoneyDanBer config files and V7 log files, or BSD config files
> and HoneyDanBer log files, or Taylor config files and ...
> 
> Does anyone else feel the way I do ?

The present uucp keeps me very happy, I think it should be kept available
against the day that I can afford a [34]86 and 4.x.

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:17:37 GMT

In article <92121119682@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
>dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons) writes:
>> What is the problem? We have a standard why not follow it? Some of us
>> obtined COHERENT in order to learn programming. Don
>> 
>The Coherent compiler does follow a standard. And you can definitely learn
>to program with it. I work with both K&R and ANSI. I may be the only
>person on Earth that feels this way, but I prefer to work in K&R. If I had

You are not alone.  I too prefer K&R to the ANSI standard.

>a K&R for my dos-box, I would use that instead of the ANSI compiler. But,
>I really believe this only a matter of preference. I have not found anything
>that I can do in ANSI and can't do in K&R, or vica-versa.

If there are algorithms that can be expressed in one language but not in the 
other then we have a problem, but this is not the case.  ANSI adds some 
features to improve the error checking of the compiler, make the code more 
readible (and thus more maintainable) and provide a standard.  But for all 
those advantages of ANSI I still prefer K&R because I have had a lot of 
experience with the early ANSI C compilers; they were BAD!  You wouldn't have
believed some of the bugs.  I just don't trust ANSI compilers.  gcc has been
around long enough (and had millions of lines of code run through it) so I 
could probably trust gcc.

>However, There is a veritable thunder of demand around here for the
>ANSI compiler. It is clear that an ANSI compiler will come down the
>pike soon, but don't be too concerned that knowledge you pick up on
>the K&R compiler will be of no use if you use ANSI. There simply
>isn't *that* much difference between the two standards.

No, ANSI C wasn't meant to define a new language, just to improve an existing
one.  I don't think they ANSI people did a great job.  Maybe the next revision
will be better.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bkuhn@cs.loyola.edu (Bradley " b " Kuhn)
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
Organization: Loyola College in Maryland
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:22:22

In article <9212159277@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:

>   You've had the OS for a while now, why don't *you* port
>   it and distribute it for free?  MWC couldn't do squat since GCC is
>   copyleft freeware.  I notice that you like having free software, DDK's, etc.
>  Well, what have you contributed to either Coherent or Linux in the form
>   of ports or original compositions?

From what I understand of the copyleft, the first person who buy Coherent's
port of GCC can upload to whatever ftp site (e.g. raven) and give to all
his/her friends, etc.  If this is incorrect, someone please tell me, because
if I am correct I plan to do this very thing if I buy a copy.  (I am
considering switching to Linux because I want X-Windows and the GNU stuff
now, rather than waiting....).
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From: rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:36:53 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Software Innovation, Arlington, Tx

jay@rslap.mwc.com (Jay Alter) writes:

> > :
> > :       QIC-40  (JUMBO 120 DRIVES)
> > :       QIC-80  (JUMBO 250 DRIVES)
>
> We have been in touch with CMS and they have sent us what we need in terms of
> technical information.  Support for CMS drives is planned and we will let
> everyone know when support is available.
>
> Regards,
>

Yea! Yea!  This is the type of support that makes COH superior to
linux, 386bsd, minix, etc.  Thanks.
From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: how many open files in 4.0.1?
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:16:48 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White) writes:
> 
> In article <921211159@fcshome.UUCP> fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
> >Now, another thing that's interesting, is that even though the creat call
> >returns -1 when opening file.13, IT STILL CREATES THE FILE. If I hack it
> >up a bit so that it loops 20 times without regard to the return from 
> >creat() IT CREATES 20 FILES. The same thing happens when using open()
> >rather than creat().
> 	20 file descriptors per process is what unix was origionally designed
> with.  Some machines still have that limit, most don't.  On some, one must do
> a syscall to get the higher limit.
> Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
> 

The DDK kernel has increased the open file limit from 20 to 60 files
per process. This value is kept in sys/param.h and the appropriate
header file is supplied with the kernel disribution you are using.

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From: lowe@fnx.uucp (Phill Lowe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:06:45 GMT
Organization: I/Ovations

IOmega has a comprable drive that fits in a 3.5 slot.  Price looks reasonable
and I don't have any 5.25 bays left....  Would they be more interested
in supporting COH?  Any ideas as to how to contact them
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jjb0391@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (James J. Bahm)
Subject: Commercial Apps?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:55 EST  

Does anyone have a list of commercial applications that
will work with Coherent.  I am mainly looking for a 
good wordprocessor, a small database and spreadsheet.

If anyone has a list of applications that work out of the
box, could you mail it to me?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Taylor UUCP (was Re: 16550 support appears buggy)
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 09:54:42 GMT

In article <66@colornet.com> dfilip@colornet.com writes:
>That, BTW, is one of the concerns I have with UUCP and 4.1, which is rumored
>to ship with Taylor. Although I have heard a lot of good things about Taylor,
>Coherent's current UUCP kludge basically just runs itself, and I havn't
>really had any problems.

Maybe you haven't, but a lot of other people have.  Does "packets lost from
the other side," ring a bell?  Plus, Taylor's version is so much more
efficient.  You won't immediately know it's running, unlike with the base
UUCP.

>I don't want to have to start worrying about UUCP
>problems when I upgrade, and really DON'T want to have to worry about should
>I install with HoneyDanBer config files and V7 log files, or BSD config files
>and HoneyDanBer log files, or Taylor config files and ...

You won't have to worry about which configuration you want.  Just pick one
and stick to it.  And neither will new users of 4.1 because, MWC will have
already chosen a config setup for them--Taylor's own, I imagine.

Plus with the latest version, there is a program to convert HDB/BNU and V2
config files into Taylor files.

Regards,

Pred Bundalo
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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: I'm looking for a good UNIX ystem for my PC, is Minix any good?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:57:18 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ben John Fornshell (bfornshe@s850.mwc.edu) wrote:
OS/2> 
OS/2>      I would like to put up a machine that will run as a multi-user
OS/2> system into which I can port GNU C code and use for general purposes on
OS/2> on ethernet.  I was wondering what, if any OS's support these features,
OS/2> and that will not cost a fortune (I'm a student) or that have educational
OS/2> discounts.  Also, if I could find out any information on how well they
OS/2> work, and how hard they are to install I would be most gratefull.

Coherent, in its current form will not be able to do what you need.
It does not support networking and while the GNU C compiler has been
promised by Mark Williams Co. nobody has seen it.  You might be better
off with BSD386 or Linux (both free unix clones).

Coherent is supposed to get networking real soon now.

Cheers,

Chris

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From: root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: v4.0 reboot command 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:36:46 -1

Jim Hodges (jim@pisaro.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: 
: I've noticed that the reboot command doesn't appear to work. After
: issuing the shutdown 
: and sync commands, I issue the command  reboot, and my system just sits
: there...
: 
: Is this a "feature"(known/reported problem) ?  Anyone else have a
: similar experience
: with this command?
: 

I think, this is an hardware problem by issue motherboard or keyboard.
So I never heard about this.

shutdown, sync, reboot works fine.


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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Bison and tin
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:08:35 GMT

Dan Simoes (dans@panix.com) wrote:
: My make of tin 117 fails because of a yacc error.
: In the makefile, YACC=bison, both in 117 and 116 versions.
: What I don't understand is why 116 compiled without a hitch,
: but now 117 is complaining.

Here tin 117 compiles with bison 118 without any problems. What
is the error message?
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