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From: ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: knife techniques
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:30:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov06.135642.25819@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.044300.9660@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>>In article scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins) writes:
>>>>If you've read THE FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTS by Dan Inosanto, he stated that it's
>>>>almost impossible to counter a knife fighter unless you're armed with some sort
>>>>of weapon yourself.
>>Fillipino fighters routinely train empty hand vs. edged weapons.
> Most of these folks will know quite well what to do
>against another knife or stick armed opponent, *as well as* an unarmed one.
>
>Meanwhile, most of us are not fully aware of how these folks move and attack,
>and do not train assiduously unarmed against blades.  Even if a style does,
>it must train against a fast, deceptive, continuous motion style of attack
>in order to be of help.  These guys are not going to come in with one big
>overhand stab, or stick their hands out where you can kick them.  They are
>going to methodically slice you, a bit at a time, again and again and again.
>Very hard to deal with.
>

we are taught in my kali class to follow the opponents hand when
they are armed since the blade or the end of the stick moves too
fast for the eyes to follow. Our regular warm up drills is knife
sparring with one knife each, two knives each, and then one knife
for one person and empty hand for the other person. It's true that
you will always get cut in a knife fight no matter what your level
of skill. My instructor still gets cut when he knife spars....the
key is to hit them moe than teh hit you...or to take the knife away
before you lose an organ...easier said than done though.

Many of the people in our class tend to reach for the knife when it
slashes in our stabs in resulting in a 'cut' hand. I've found that
if you reach out then you almost always get hit since you leave
yourself vulnerable. Tyranosaurus arms work well....keepinf your
arms and hands close to your body like a tyranosaurus rex and
reacting when the knife enters within 5 fingers width of you body
(also referred to as the '5 fingers of death' by my aikido sensei)
i don't claim to be an expert but i'm merely stating what i've found
to work (most of the time). hope this helps.

Dzu
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:48:00 +0000

Richard A. Drury (drury@helix.nih.gov) writes:
>In article wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>       At what point do hard styles become soft, and vice versa?  I'm
>>of the opinion that a 70 year old man who appears as strong or stronger
>>as a 20 year old is demonstrating internal power.
>
>I keep hearing about this ancient master who sends all the young
>hotshots flying.  But all of the folks I know who are in their
>seventies are well past being able to compete successfully
>against an experienced fighter in his 20's or 30's.  I say
>"experienced fighter" because practically anyone with training
>can wipe the mat with an inexperienced opponent.
>
>So, what's the story here?  Who among us has actually fought
>someone 70 or older and lost?  Second hand "experience" doesn't
>count.  If this actually happened to you, how old were you at the
>time, what sort of condition were you in, and what was your
>level of experience?


Do you mean personally or actually seen, and do you mean a real fight
or Dojo sparing.


If you mean seen and Dojo sparing, I've seen Kase Sensei, who is certainly
older than 60 and I think may be in his seventies, kick the crap out of
3 very senior Dan grades between the ages of about 25 and 45. The only
way I can describe it was that he was the calm at the centre of the storm.


Bill Burgar.
From: ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:06:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40772
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <25507@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>enough students that he could have gotten by)..   i.e. he didn't
>have to 'sell out' or commercialize (read 'cheapen' to the purist)...
>
>any comments on this idea ?

One thing i can't stand is the commercialization of teh martial
arts. Things have gotten so bad with people inventing their own
styles and techniques after only a limited time of study. I used to
train at one of these McDojo's and i am thankful for many of the
basic punches and kicks that i learned. However the instructor was
asking for more money and wanted to sign me up for a 2nd dan program
costing about 2 thousand dollars. It seems that many schools are
franchised out to anyone with a black belt  and the money. In
essence many people do 'sell' out. It's a shame really.

Dzu
From: plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: M. Mugging in NY Times
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:49:06 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In case anyone's interested...
I just read an article about Model Mugging in today's (Nov. 11) New York
Times, page 1 of the Metro Section.  It was written from the point of the of
the model muggers--quite interesting.  We also get to see a picture of the
formidable amount of shielding they need to wear!  And I thought that sparring
in a hoku was sweaty work....

Pat

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From: sc0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SHYUAN-FANG CHEN)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions about Chi
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:25:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I have practiced Tai Chi for several years, and I am a chinese.  Being a
    chinese gives me the advantage of understanding 'chi'.
    1. Life force is an apt translation of chi.  Our life is supported by chi.
     We will be strong in both mind and body, if we have more chi.  We die, if
     we have no chi.
    2. Chi is always circulating through our body.  Without practicing, we can
    not either feel chi or control chi.
    3. It is true to generate a flow of chi.  Basicly, most people want to
    generate chi to break through all the tunnels in our body and accomplish
    that will make you like superman, but it might be dangerous.
    4. As I remember the Wu style come from the Yang style and the two forms
    are very close to each other, so I do not think that it is uncommon.  Most
    people will like to learn as more as possible.


   
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From: john.28@bnr.ca (John Ledford)
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Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:50:55 GMT
Organization: BNR, Inc. RTP, NC

In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-041192145506@129.74.199.139> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
>From: eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly)
>Subject: Time required to attain Black Belt
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:56:57 GMT
>I was wondering about how long it takes different arts to attain a Black
>Belt, which is really only a beginning anyway.
>
>Anybody?
>
>Eric 


4-5 years for shodan. 2-3 for nidan. ect..  Form: American Shotokan.

john
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Example of a martial arts cult
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 10 NOV 92 10:32:56    


mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes...
>ahem...just to clarify, this appeared in the October 26, 1991 (not 1992) 
>edition of the Boston Phoenix.  The author's name is Ric Kahn.

Thank you very much, Mary.  I copied the reprint intact from another electronic
source, not from the original.  I apologize for propagating the errors as well.

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From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate Bullshit
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:55:09 GMT

In article <13918@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.124858.931@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
>>Ok folks pay attention.  
>>
>>A 70 Year old man whoopin' some young guys ass???? Possible, but 
>>highly unlikely. Get real. I have never met a 70 year old man whose 
>>ass I couldn't kick. Not that that means there isn't some tough
>   Just because you have not experienced it does not mean it  
>   does not exist.  I have met several 70+ kendo instructors
>   who are a little scary on the floor.  Most sensei of this class
>   "play" with the younger opponents.  I have seen it and had it 
>   done to me.  
>
>   I hope you can not be so angry at the MA you have seen.  Maybe 
>   with luck and research you can see these things for yourself.

I agree.  There must not be that many instructors who teach for the
love of the art.  I've been lucky in that the various MA I've participated
in have been taught by "older" guys..65-70+ who did it for the love
of the art.  These are the guys who don't charge.  They're not into
displaying their "dan-ness", as I see frequently on this net.  The respect
one has for them are as people and MA'ist...because you can "feel" that
they
can easily kick your butt, but that's not the point of the exercises.

going against miyahara sensei who is 70+ in LA fro example is an
experience.  when you do it wrong he tells you there's no sense in
practicing it the wrong way; when you do it right, he "lets" you hit him.
when you go all out, he parries most of the blows.  and then he proceeds to
take you apart. This is kendo, but it was similar for judo.
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From: Kim Holburn <kim@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Pushups
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7280A43410105C3@taiji.canberra.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:18:59 GMT
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 In article <Y7-=RpA@engin.umich.edu>, ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej
Roytman) writes:
> I have been doing pushups for the past several months to supplement my
> Karate training, and have just now gotten curious about the right way to
> do them.  How do you do pushups?  Is there a Right Way?  A while back
> when I posted here asking about situps it turned out that there was a
> rather large number of types (all pretty excruciating at first) for
> developing different muscles in the stomach.  Is this the case with
> pushups as well?

>ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Alan Young) writes:
>As to reps/sets; since push-ups is a body-weight exercise you can't 
>really increase the intensity - assuming you can do at least 20 reps of
>`full' push-ups (ie. supported on hands/feet rather than hands/knees as
>some women are advised to do).  Under these circumstances you're aiming

A very interesting article. I liked the bits about changing the hand
positions for different muscle groups. I was taught by my exercise
instructor that for basic strength you only needed to do 10 reps, but you
needed to adjust the way you did them so that you could only just manage
them. If full pushups were too much then you did them from the knees. If
full pushups were too easy then you put your feet on chairs. If this
became too easy then you could put weights between your shoulders (sand
bags). Women most often start doing the pushups on the knees but the idea
is to quickly build up to full pushups.
As I said this was just to build up basic strength. For other things like
speed, power and repetition there were other additions. For instance for
speed we did a set where you pushed up on your palms, clapped your hands
together and landed on your hands (hopefully:-). It was the (fast)
landing on your hands that was the important part of the exercise -
called something like negative lift (I've forgotten the term). 
For self-defence training anaerobic training is much more important than
aerobic. Hopefully if you have to defend yourself it is over fairly
quickly. The most important training area would be alactic. Lactic and
even aerobic training are important for general health of course.

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From: gbaker@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg baker)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:25:54 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- >
- I have the curiosity of how much time the martial art folks on the
- net practise, training in class and practise.
- I, myself, have classing training 3 times a week, 2 to 3 hours each
- time, and the 2 hours daily self-practise for the other 4 days. I
- think it is not that enough.

Do you do anything else? I don't know what style you study, but there is 
such a thing as too much. I myself now train 4 times a week...2 days of 
intense competition training (tae-kwondo), 1 day of the "Art" training 
(studying patterns, etc...) and I teach one day a week. I don't know what 
belt you are (or if your style even has belts), but I'm a black belt and 
I know you can burn yourself out. There is a time and place for 
everything, but not all at once.

.greg.

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Family trees
Keywords: Okinawan styles, founders, dates
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:53:05 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Nov5.212441.21262@pony.Ingres.COM> simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis) writes:
>I have recently become more interested in the interrelationships
>between styles/schools/ryus of Okinawan karate.  I have saved some
>nice posts that are helpful about individual styles.  Can someone
>recommend a book that gives a kind of "family tree" of most of
>the Okinawan styles?  Something in print would be nice - I don't get
>to haunt bookstores as much as I'd like...

	_Okinawa:_Island_of_Karate_, by George Alexander
	_Okinawan_Karate_(I think that's the title, I'll check it tonight),
	by Mark Bishop

Both of these give pretty extensive lineages of most Okinawan Karate 
styles.

I'll check some other sources at home tonight.

Steve
From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
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Subject: Need TrueType *Kanji* Fonts
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:21:04 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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Subject line about says it all.  I need some fonts that have the Japanese
Kanji for some papers/flyers/research I'm doing.

Prefer an FTP site???

Domo,

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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Chinese Belt systems (was Re: 10th Dan)
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:50:40 GMT
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In article <MHIRSCH.92Nov12112105@volkl.princeton.edu> mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>>>>> On 12 Nov 92 02:31:53 GMT, gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) said:
>
>ET> In Chinese systems there are no belts, dans or whatever and "the
>ET> rank of a master is measured by the length of his life". 
>
>Hah!  Here in the wilds of NJ there is  "traditionl Dragon Style Kung
>Fu" school (for which, this posts not withstanding, I have a lot of
>repect) that has a colored sash system.
>
>When I spoke with the instructor there he expressed horror at another
>local school that has a colored sash system for _taiji_!  He couldn't
>understand HOW you could use colored sashes for that.  Kung Fu, maybe.
>But not TAIJI!

Nonsense, taiji is a kind of Chinese martial art (or Kung Fu).  It
is right for him to have a belt system while others can't, is that
what he meant?
Belt system is never used inside China.  It is the invention of
others, and it doesn't relate to Chinese martial art, but only
your school.  If your school likes it, then it is used.  But it
is not a production of Chinese martial art.
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: knife techniques
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:30:43 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
>
>This is right.  When you think of defending against a knife, think more
>of going against a boxer who does need to deliver *any* power, and where 
>every punch ttht lands, even lightly, can cause severe injury.  More than
>this, you can get injured by the withdrawing knife as easily as by the 
>advancing knife.  

     True. A general principal of first-aid is that an object that has
punctured and lodged in the body should be left in until medical treatment
is available - leaving it in "stops up the hole" and reduces bleeding. So
if you ever get stabbed and you attacker leaves the knife in, as a general
rule you don't want to pull it out.

     (Of course, it's MUCH better not to get stabbed in the first place!)

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From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:03:30 CST

In article <40772@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph2sct@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Dzu Nguyen) writes:

>Things have gotten so bad with people inventing their own
>styles and techniques after only a limited time of study. I used to
>train at one of these McDojo's and i am thankful for many of the
                       ^^^^^^^^

*GREAT* word!

-Lauren


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From: yfkimura@seas.gwu.edu (Yusuke F. Kimura)
Subject: Hsing I Kung Fu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:53:06 GMT

Hi, I'm a student at George Washington University and I've just barely started taking Shotokan Karate, but the classes here seem to be too centered on making money.  I admire the teacher a lot, and he's the main reason I continue to take.  But I also wish they were more interested in my training and not so much in the fees.
	Anyway, My girlfriend is taking Hsing I Kung Fu in Blacksburg, VA and her stories have intrigued me to no end.  I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any place I could take it in the Washington D.C. area.  I would be willing to go quite a distance to learn this form.
	Also, if there's someone out there who knows what Hsing I is all about, and would like to suggest other similar "soft martial arts" that I could take, I would be very happy to get your reply.

	I've always been interested: what's the real difference between the so-called "hard" martial arts, and the "soft" ones, like Hsing I or Tai Chi or even Aikido?

	if anyone has the answers to any of these questions, any reply would be very much appreciated.
From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Flail legality
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:20:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
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I planted a small patch of wheat in my garden this year and now after
having threshed it with a stick, I am thinking of making a flail for
next year.  I understand that a nunchaku is a flail and is illegal
in California.  I can't say I am really worried that if I connect
two sticks together with cord that I would be arrested, but I would
like to know if anyone has information on the subject.

What is the penalty for nunchaku-like martial arts weapons in Calif.?
Is that for carry or for posession?
Although a nunchaku is a flail, are flails considered nunchaku?
What is the name of that flail with one stick larger than the other?

After having threshed with a stick, the flail would be a great improve
ment because (a) it would relieve the impact on my wrist  (b) I think
I could strike with more force.

Thank you for any information

Joan V

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