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From: adsb@bnr.co.uk (Andrew Benham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: IIC SWI
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:58:47 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, Harlow, GB

Greetings. I'm trying (in a  B I G  hurry) to program an "I squared C"
bus EEPROM.
The EEPROM lives in another machine, but the software with the machine won't
reprogram it. What I need to do is reprogram it in another machine (e.g. the
Archimedes).
It strikes me that SWI &240 (IIC_Control) could be an easy way to do this,
however the PRM isn't exactly helpful on the format of the parameter block.

I'm fairly familar with the IIC bus protocols, but I'm hoping that the IIC
SWI will enable me to program the device without reinventing the wheel.

Is there anyone out there who has any experience of using this SWI? A short
read/write program would be *most* welcome.

Regards,
Andrew Benham       BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, Essex  CM17 9NA
adsb@bnr.co.uk      0279-402372      Fax: 0279-402100
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Yes, more .....
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:04:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

John you are very bright, very talented, and I'm sure we all respect you,
or we wouldn't bother going to the efort of explaining things quite so
patiently.

There seems to be a frustrating communication gap here.

No one is questioning that ARM code can be hand optimised by highly
skilled ARM programers, can you appreciate this.

However "C" has other advantages, which you don't appear to be able to
accept.


Gavin

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Subject: Re: Who knows something about the !J -language ?
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:52:17 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI) writes:

> 
> The last pdlist contain a interesting program:
> 
> !J              J language processor v3.4a [117k].......Iverson Software Inc
> 
> Do anyone know anything about this ?

   A little. It has been available on the NZ Server for a while now. Not
that this helps you much... :-)

> Is it a compiler or interpreter ?

   Interpreter.

> Is it a prefix, postfix or infix algorithm language ?

   Infix I *think*. I haven't looked closely at it.

> Any information wellcome

    Philip

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From: stj@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Grimthorpe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: reading PC discs on 1770 DFS
Summary: I'd like to know how to read PC discs on a trusty old BBC B+
Keywords: DOS, 1770,DFS
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:15:18 GMT

OK, this subject was probably covered years ago, but I've only just got my B+
a couple of months ago.
  I want to know how to read (and possibly write) PC discs on DFS 1770. I know its
possible as I have seen programs advertised in very old magazines.

  Adrian StJohn

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From: auj@aber.ac.uk (Professor Coypu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Braincells, RO2, RO3 and RO3.1
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:59:00 GMT
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru (University of Wales) Aberystwyth

Maybe we need another new newsgroup... something like

comp.sys.acorn.John_Kortink.vs.Martin_Glanvill

Either that, or maybe these two should try and keep their ongoing
arguments in the mail domain...

How about it, guys.

Alun.
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From: amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell)
Subject: Re: Braincells, RO2, RO3 and RO3.1
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.123139.15448@cs.utwente.nl> kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink) writes:
>amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell) writes :

>>Eh? RO3.0 ROMs work fine in non-A5000 machines, and that includes the 310 with
>>carrier board.
>
>Have you ever actually tried that ? Acorn has never announced them to be
>available (i.e. working) on non-A5000's. If so, there would have been an
>enormous rush on 3.0 ROMs when the A5000 came out. Maybe it'll start up,
>but won't be able to talk to, e.g., parallel port etc..

Yes, I tried it, they work fine... parallel port works fine etc, they
support all archimedes hardware used so far. This ROM was from an ISVs
A5000, and said RO3.00 on it so I assume its a standard A5000 ROM.

>In any case, I was right about the braincells at least ...

I guess thats a matter of opinion. I'm sure I have at least three
brain cells (maybe four?)

>>Aha, I have been meaning to knock up a switcher board, how did you do it?
>>you have a drawfile of the PCB layout by any chance? Bear in mind I can
>>only handle 2 layer/side PCB.. Or is there somewhere I can buy one from?
>
>I don't think you qualify anymore for any help from my side. And others, feel
>free to mail me and I'll reveal this trivial secret. Only those with more than
>two brain cells please.

Oh? be that way then, say, if anyone else mails JK for details bounce them
to me please.

Cheers

A
From: marks@cs.man.ac.uk (Mark Stephens (MSc Stephen Furber))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Oh no ! More .....
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:57:43 GMT

amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell) writes:

]In article <1992Oct2.004442.1895@cs.aukuni.ac.nz] jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
]]
]]I'm sorry? When I get an ARM-700, I'll just upgrade my compiler at the same
]]time to version 5, with support for the extra instructions and modes
]]available.

]Calling the compiler C5 could bring up some unfortunate analogies, perhaps
]you oughta give 5 a miss and call it 6 ? :-)

]Andy

As it is now Desktop C it should be called DC4 or DC5 which postpones the
unfortunate analogy scenario to version 10, which will probably not be all
its cracked up to be.
<<obscure-joke-warning>>

Mark.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: How to recognise ??? at the AU show...
From: jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:30:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

An idea has just occurred by which you can recognise each other at the
Acorn User show:

This discussion about RISC OS 3 upgrades and what to do with your old
ROMs provides you with the perfect opportunity. It's flashy, impressive,
unique, and what's more, allows you to distinguish real Archimedes users
from the newbies who have just bought an Arc for the first time...

You should break out your old ROMs. The Arthur ROMS. RISC OS 2. RISC OS 3
Place them in tidy rows on the left side of your chest, and paint pretty
coloured stripes down them.

Just think of the conversation: "Aha! I see you survived the Arthurian battle"
or "He's a recent conscript from the 1-year (RISC OS 3.00) war"...
not to mention those elite, the survivors of the RISC OS 2.01 skirmish!

Developers can paste ribbons to the bottoms of their chips: printed dumps
of colourtrans 0.96, CLib 4.06, etc... ;-)
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From: amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell)
Subject: Re: Oh no ! More .....
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:00:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.004442.1895@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
>
>I'm sorry? When I get an ARM-700, I'll just upgrade my compiler at the same
>time to version 5, with support for the extra instructions and modes
>available.

Calling the compiler C5 could bring up some unfortunate analogies, perhaps
you oughta give 5 a miss and call it 6 ? :-)

Andy
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From: bwc@waikato.ac.nz (Ug!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn,comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: PostScript printing
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:26:57 +1200
Organization: Vooniersity fo Kaiwato

Fil @ Acorn writes:
> [downloading transient fonts] is dealt with in one of two ways, depending
> on the answer to the question "does the application doing the printing
> know how to tell the printer driver what fonts are being used?".
> 
> This is a new feature to RISC OS 3, which basically allows the printer
> driver to only download those fonts which are being used by the
> application but which *aren't* already in the printer...

Aha!  Thanks Fil.  I don't have the manuals yet for RiscOS 3.1 (they had
the ROMS -- the manuals shoud arrive later this week).  So I thought that
FontPrint was used to download the fonts...  and of course, it only
downloads them on a permanent basis!  Thanks heaps, sorry for the
misunderstanding.  Life is bliss!

After this, I have decided that I *love* RiscOS 3.1!  Downloading fonts to
a PostScript printer makes it all worthwhile!  Now all I need to know is:
Does Impression 1.6 support the downloading properly?
								Ug!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI)
Subject: Who knows something about the !J -language ?
Organization: User Help Desk, Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:18:31 GMT


The last pdlist contain a interesting program:

!J              J language processor v3.4a [117k].......Iverson Software Inc

Do anyone know anything about this ?

Is it a compiler or interpreter ?
Is it a prefix, postfix or infix algorithm language ?

Any information wellcome

so long
MUFTI
From: ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Oh no ! More .....
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:37:51 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak10.doc.ic.ac.uk

Let me just get one thing clear here, I'm not taking sides - because
both sides are spouting so much rubbish it's unbelievable.

First we have one side who think that 'C' is God's gift to the
computer universe - the answer to all, etc. etc. etc. The saddest part
of this sides argument is that they believe that C programs are
portable. The argument has been that *if* CC had written Impression in
C, they could easily port it to other computers/OSs. Just think about
it for a min. Bearing in mind that the average *well produced* program
(of the graphical user interface kind) has somewhere between 50%-75%
(sometimes higher) of it's code dedicated to the user interface. Now
that is really going to be portable from RiscOS to X or Windows isn't
it. Portability is only an issue (in C) for command line programs
based solely on the standard libraries.

Next we have the other side who think that because an assembler for
the Arm700 will assemble code written for the Arm2/3 assembler,
suddenly all your Arm2/3 assembler code gets translated into fully
working 32bit address Arm700 assembler code. This is so obviosly not the
case, again just think about it - hint think about flags and the PC.

Now can we just stop this argument here and now - it's worse than the
infamous Arc (Arm3) vs. IBM PC (486) debate.

Now all of you, take a cold shower, and try not to worry about it. 

Take 3 deep breaths, and take your finger away from that 'f' key !

Ian

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Subject: Re: ELITE... A GREAT GAME ON THE ARCHIE.....
From: Ikki@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (0642210101: Fernmeldedirektion Olten)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:44:50 CET
Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ

Wich Elite-original-manual? This one
from Archie-Elite or C=64 Elite? I think
I ll have to read the english manual,
I only read the german one until now.
Another question:
I was flying in space, in front of me
(far away) was a fight, and then on the
monitor was written "repent, repent".
Is there a dangerous place, or what?

Greetings.

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From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: RISC-OS 3.1 problems : Sys$DateFormat
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:36:46 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

I think this is a problem with the manual rather than the OS. In the bit
about changing the Sys$DateFormat system variable it says do *ex ThisFile,
note the results, change Sys$DateFormat to something else, do *ex ThisFile
and notice that the date is displayed in the specified format. When I
tried this it came out exactly as it had before. Peculiar.

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From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks) writes:
:    Do other people remember a certain prat talking about a bug in RO 3.10
: regarding menu clicking on the Info window of the Task Manager? Well I did
: and when I was helping, well watching, a friend upgrade the A5000 we use
: with 3.10 I decided to check on the validity of this claim. Low and behold
: the bug refused to manifest itself.
[...]

Hmmm it worked on mine... nothing exciting, just the dialogue box comes up
with "credits" for RO3.1.

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From: sdaveyj@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Please NOT ANY MORE!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:47:20 GMT


C versus Assembler

Please Please Please, the argument is over, you all won, we are all 
very clever and we can all program.

I came back from holiday this week and I thought YIPPEE!, 145 unread messages
in one week!! there must be some good stuff.

So I have spent the whole morning wading through masses of argument.
the first six or so articles were interesting but after that

BBBBBBOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIINNNNGGGGGG!!!!

Cant you use Advocacy, that is a less used group anyway.

In dispair...        John Davey ( I'm really hungry now )
From: gunnar@fasel.hotb.sub.org (Gunnar Ztl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Shared C library info sought
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:19:26 GMT
Organization: El Gunthor Pasa

Hi!

Is there any information on the internals of the shared C library available
for us mere mortals, apart from reverse-engeneering it myself? The point is,
I need some info that would help me to write a client library such as stubs
for it. The CR4 manual didn't turn out to be very helpful at that point.

Gunnar
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From: gaspar@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:28:49 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <1992Oct2.202331.26028@cs.nott.ac.uk>, smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
> In article <9210020820.AA17366@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>>In <2N4zkNj024n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> Philip R. Banks writes:
>>>Not is Risc OS 3.10 *not* slower than 3.0 it is infact
>>>faster.
>>yeah, but is it faster than RISCOS 2.0 (which is what _most_ of us
>>are upgrading from)
> 
> Philip seems to have become rather confused. No-one would deny that RISC OS
> 3.10 is faster than 3.00 - after all, it has had many months' extra work
> put in to optimise the code for speed. The discussion was comparing its
> speed with RISC OS 2.00.
> 
> Simon B.
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I noticed a another thing that is faster under RISC OS 3.1:
I ran the dhrystones 2 benchmark (compiled under RISC OS 2) and it gave me
57xx dhrs in mode 0. I remember having 55xx dhrs under RISC OS 2.
Now how do you explain this???
 
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From: kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink)
Subject: Riscos 3 for sale (?)
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:11:48 GMT

mcg@waikato.ac.nz writes :

>>[...]
>> If anyone is upgrading from RISC OS 2.0 to RISC OS 3* and have any unwanted
>> ROMs please email me (pb@cl.cam.ac.uk -- I don't read this newsgroup) as I
>> want to upgrade some Arthur machines to the same level as some other
>> machines. [ I have been trying to get 2.0 ROMs for ages, but they
>> 'sold out' ]
>[...]
>If you want, when I get my 3.10 upgrade (yawn) you can have my 3.0 Roms
>(price negotiable, ... of course).

Ah, as usual, there's at least two braincells working here. 3.0 ROMs are from
A5000's. So they only work in A5000's (or possibly the new machines). So
who would want them ? They already have them ! (Or 3.1) I suggest you eat 'm.

The obvious reason is he wants RO2 ROMs cheap. I'd say that's a fair trade
(I have RO2 and RO3.1 switchable now in my A340, but most will ditch 2).


John Kortink

Student of Informatics at the University of Twente, The Netherlands
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From: tsumner@acorn.co.uk (Tony Sumner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: BeebDOS
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:16:43 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <12800@marion.rl.ac.uk> cjr@inf.rl.ac.uk (Chris Robey) writes:


>I am looking for a program called beebDOS,...
>can they tell me the address of the manufacturer?

Watford sell it. 39 quid.

You could transfer the files using a master 512.

Tony
From: zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Source: [UNIX, C] Spark de-archiver for UNIX
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:16:22 GMT
Organization: User Help Desk, Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG

In article <717715711snx@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>Small bug in spark.c guys 

There is a other small bug in some Versions of unixspark.c:

It should check before opening a target file for write, if this filename is
already used as the name of the Archive. Under Unix this small bug may 
result in "self-destructing" archives 

so long
MUFTI
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From: kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink)
Subject: Braincells, RO2, RO3 and RO3.1
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:31:39 GMT

amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell) writes :

>In article <1992Sep26.111148.19177@cs.utwente.nl> kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John
>Kortink) writes:
>>
>>Ah, as usual, there's at least two braincells working here. 3.0 ROMs are from
>>A5000's. So they only work in A5000's (or possibly the new machines). So
>>who would want them ? They already have them ! (Or 3.1) I suggest you eat 'm.
>
>Eh? RO3.0 ROMs work fine in non-A5000 machines, and that includes the 310 with
>carrier board.

Have you ever actually tried that ? Acorn has never announced them to be
available (i.e. working) on non-A5000's. If so, there would have been an
enormous rush on 3.0 ROMs when the A5000 came out. Maybe it'll start up,
but won't be able to talk to, e.g., parallel port etc..

In any case, I was right about the braincells at least ...

>>The obvious reason is he wants RO2 ROMs cheap. I'd say that's a fair trade
>>(I have RO2 and RO3.1 switchable now in my A340, but most will ditch 2).
>
>Aha, I have been meaning to knock up a switcher board, how did you do it?
>you have a drawfile of the PCB layout by any chance? Bear in mind I can
>only handle 2 layer/side PCB.. Or is there somewhere I can buy one from?

I don't think you qualify anymore for any help from my side. And others, feel
free to mail me and I'll reveal this trivial secret. Only those with more than
two brain cells please.


John Kortink

Student of Informatics at the University of Twente, The Netherlands
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Oh no ! More .....
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:31:31 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Oct5.091918.3316@news.uni-stuttgart.de> zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI) writes:
>In article <BvIIAt.B3G@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower) writes:
>
>>For super large projects, consider ADA, but the Archimedes range,
>>currently isn't bigger enough to get into this territory.  Also there
>>isn't even a hint of an ADA compiler for the Arc.
>
>There is a hint 8-), but not a port 8-( ...
>On Unix-workstations and MSDOS-PC's there is a usful translator/executor
>for ADA named ADAED. It is currently not validated (but was valitated 
>earlier). It is written in C and could maybe compiled on the Acorn 
>Archimedes (if someone can compile the 20MB source code ...).
>The other question is how much RAM memory it would require .... 
>
>so long
>MUFTI

Now come on MUFTI, you *know* it can't be any good ... It's not
written in ARM code...  :-)


Gavin

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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Leaving Acorn
Date: 23 Sep 92 20:20:15 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <Bv1J4y.4Fy@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>I hope so. Did something eventually get sorted out about that? When and
>where are we meeting?

Remember to include me in any cross-group meetings guys!  I'll
probably be there too.  (Anyone got a spare ticket they can slip me?)

G
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