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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: MOSQUITO COAST (minor spoilers)
Keywords: n
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:11:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1992Aug25.231158.6580
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx


If you're interested in The Mosquito Coast you might enjoy the longish
short story by Paul Theroux in the current Granta. It's called "Lady
Max," I think, and I enjoyed it although it seemed a bit heavy-handed
in the symbolism-and-poetic-justice department, as was discussed
earlier in this thread.

Anyway, in the story the narrator keeps referring to the "jungle
book" he's working on, quotes passages from it, has discussions about
what to name it, etc. Works on it as all the while he stares out
his grimy wondows into the gray chilly London streets, etc.

Just thought I'd pass that along . . .

Kate


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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: rabfest
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:39:38 GMT

Barclay Blanchard writes:

	Have y'all in California had your rabfest yet?  How was it?
	Meg Worley suggested that we have one in Atlanta.  Terrance 
	is coming from Athens.

The exception that proves the rule that All Greeks are White?

							Fido
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:15315 soc.culture.british:12005
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:16:29 EDT
From: Frank Mulhern <FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist

I started reading the Economist about 2 years ago after several different
people mentioned to me that it was the best magazine they ever read.  I must
say that I now look forward to its arrival every Monday.  When I look at
a TIME or NEWSWEEK today, I am reminded more of network TV newscasts that
print journalism.  Those magazines have lots of flashy pictures, stories with
a sentimental twist, etc.  In fact the topics written about in those
magazines closely parallel what on TV.  I agree that these magazines
participate in the dumbing of America---a great phrase by the way, for more
on this read BAD--The Dumbing of America by Paul Fussell (1991).
    The Economist is considered to have the world's best reporting on third
 world countries.  It is nice to read something that does not have a
 politically oriented liberal or conservative ax to grind, although The
 Economist is very conservative economically with a relentless attitude
 that free markets will solve ALL the world's economic ills.
     Do yourself a favor--read it.

        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Lawrence Durrell
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:37:06 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org

In article <1992Sep1.040256.1409@mtu.edu> vrkaramc@mtu.edu (Karamchedu) writes:
>
>Justine, Balthazar, Clea, Naroum, Julian, Nessim, Felix, Tunc, Nunquam, Price of
>Darkness, Melissa, Alexandria, Toby, Benedicta, Mountolive.................
>
>Do they strike any chord in anyone's mind ?.............. 

They certainly strike chords in mind. I count the Alexandria Quartet
among the most powerful and expressive novels I've ever read.


--Mike



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mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
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From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Larry Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fowles' `The Collector'
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:02:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>He [Fowles] certainly likes to ply games with the reader, which some 
>people enjoy, and others find bothersome.

The image of a writer not just playing *A* game with the reader, but
several, laying them down in plies into the text, was too good to not
mention.  "A novel with 4-ply games."

	Larry "2-ply mind" Hammer
--

LNH@albert.physics.arizona.edu   \  "What can be seen, heard, and learned, 
The insane don't need disclaimers \  this I prize." -- Heraclitus, #13
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From: ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:15:59 GMT

In article <BtMKno.Apt@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris) writes:
>Assuming that, say, the relative lack of canonical Elizabethan
>women writers is due to Elizabethan social discrimination against
>women being writers (and not due to us wittingly or unwittingly
>ignoring a large body of work by Elizabethan women), I think Woolf's
>argument then tries to depict the unjust horror of this discrimination
>by imagining that Shakespeare had a sister, equally as talented,
>but because society affords her no education, no opportunity for
>independent means, no outlet for her talents, she ends up
>committing suicide.
>
>My complaint is that I think this over-romanticizes being a
>writer, as though one were completely born to such a talent. I think
>one can see the absurdity if one imagines instead that she commits
>suicide really because she was born with a genius for sitar playing and
>she has been frustrated by having no outlet for this talent.
>
>It may be true (my own belief) that a modern egalitarianism of social
>expectation is to be preferred to earlier discrimination. But that
>does not mean the earlier society's discrimination felt as horribly
>unjust to the members of that society as it might feel to a modern
>transplanted into that society.

I am sure the women of Elizabethan times could compare their brains
to their brothers' and their opportunities to their brothers', just as
well as we could. They may have been socialized to think themselves
unfit to be other than mothers -- but I suspect many of them would have
looked at the women with high and powerful positions in the kingdom
(and not just the Queen) and had some doubts in the matter.

My mother came from a farming family where reading was actively discouraged
(as was writing). That didn't stop her from stealing away every moment
should could with a book, and getting very frustrated when she could not.

Alayne McGregor
alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: Titles for Tom Maddox Biography Needed
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:46:51 GMT


I'm not at all sure what's up with Mr. Doland, who began this thread.

However, having just read Tom M.'s book and having been particularly
drawn to the surrealistic images of his virtual world, I think
his bio should be named

Halo, Dali.

Don't all make ugly faces at me at once.

Kate


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From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon & Women
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:55:01 GMT


maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes) writes:
 
>This triggered a memory of THE YELLOW WALLPAPER (author??!?), a pre-feminist 
							         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>indictment of the 19th-century psychological practice of denying women

Somewhat off the subject, but this made me curious.  My copy of _Herland_,
also by Charlotte Perkins Gilman, calls it "a lost feminist utopia". When
you say pre-feminist, were you unaware that Gilman was one of the early leaders
of the women's movement, or were you defining feminist as the post 1960's
women's movement? I would have called Gilman a feminist but perhaps that is
historical revisionism? According to the notes on _Herland_ she called herself
a humanist.

-- 
"I had generously shown on the stage my interior life as a raging beast, but
 my exterior life as a mediocre human being and dilettante of of normal int-
 elligence remained unchronicled...I *knew* that beneath my work's primeval,
 hysterical facade there was a calm little writer in an armchair just waiting
 to burst forth." -- Wally Shawn, on the writing of "My Dinner With Andre'"
From: nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Star Wars: Dark Force Rising
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:05:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug27.133040.9019@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bjhoyt@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

>Has anybody seen or read "Star Wars: Dark Force Rising"  the second book 
>in a three book cycle by Timothy Zahn.

check out rec.arts.sf.starwars.  there's plenty of discussion of this
and the first book there.
--
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From: roger@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (roger.s.tait..jr)
Subject: Re: rabfest
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:51:10 GMT

In article <67642@hydra.gatech.EDU>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
> Have y'all in California had your rabfest yet?  How was it?
> 
> Meg Worley suggested that we have one in Atlanta.  Terrance is coming from 
> Athens (about two hours north of here).
> 
> We'd like to meet on October 3rd at the cafe in Oxford Books on Pharr Road.

Barclay,
Just curious... how many out-of-towners listen to you all and assume
"Pharr" is spelled F-I-R-E?

> Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
> "I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
> --Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_

Roger Tait
Unreconstructed Yankee


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From: Mathias.Koerber@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Elisabeth George's "For the sake of Elena" ?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf AG
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:16:22 GMT

Some time ago, I read an announcement for EG's 5th novel,
"For the sake of Elena". Is it out yet? Hardcover or
Paperback?

Waiting anxiously...


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* Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft *
From: hphri@usho26.hou281.chevron.com (P.H.Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Dragonbone Chair / Tad Williams
Keywords: Epic Fantasy
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:37:52 GMT
Organization: Chevron


Has anyone heard ANYTHING about the third book in "The Dragonbone Chair"
series?  It has been around two years since he put out "The Stone of Farewell"
(second book in the series).  Thanks for any information.

Philip

    hphri@hou281.chevron.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:21:59 GMT

Mike Godwin writes:

	Mark Taranto writes:

		To think that I've been accused of being pompous, when the 
		very definition of the word is living out in Palo Alto.

	I disagree. "The very definition of the word" lives here in r.a.b.
	True, Francis Muir lives in Palo Alto (or thereabouts), but I'd be
	cautious about assuming that the Palo Alto Francis Muir is 
	identical to "Fido," "Philomath," "Francis Muir," and other personae
	who visit rec.arts.books.

In fact I am more like Deus X Machina, if you get my drift. Perhaps a little
deconstruction is in order. "Living out in Palo Alto"? Did Markie once cox
the Princeton Eight? Out in, out in,.... Now. More seriously. I can see how a
person can define something. "Muir defines pomposity" I could understand if
not appreciate. But "Muir is the definition of pomposity"? Does this make sense
even in NY? Oh yes. Its Redwood City, not palo Alto. I left PA when I heard
natives pronounce Cowper street as COWper street. Perleeeeese.

				Arf arf

						Fido

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: bhanafee@deimos.ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
Subject: Re: Shakespeare (Single Volume Rec. Wanted)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:53:27 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.182916.564@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> tomeno@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mary.p.siringo) writes:
>What is considered to be the best one-volume,
>definitive edition of Shakespeare's work?
>Any recommendations or comments?
>Thanks.
>
>Mary 

   Well, I've seen a number of single volume versions labelled "The
Complete Works of William Shakespeare".  That should be pretty
definitive.  I wasn't aware that there were differing versions; if so,
let the r.a.b.id pack enlighten me.  My copy is an ancient tome titled
"The Oxford Complete Shakespeare", or some such, and cost me all of $3
at a used book shop.
--
Brian Hanafee                         Advanced Decision Systems
bhanafee@ads.com                      1500 Plymouth Street
(415) 960-7300                        Mountain View, CA 94043-1230
From: thierry@curlie.UUCP (Thierry Lach   )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Elisabeth George's "For the sake of Elena" ?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:52:42 EDT
Organization: Not An Organization

Mathias.Koerber@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mathias Koerber) writes:

> Some time ago, I read an announcement for EG's 5th novel,
> "For the sake of Elena". Is it out yet? Hardcover or
> Paperback?
> 
> Waiting anxiously...
> 
> 
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> (United!) Germany  |         OU2=P4/OU3=D5/OU4=AP11/S=KOERBER/G=MATHIAS
> * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht was Leiden schafft *

Out in hardcover through Book of the Month club.  Haven't seen it
in the bookstores (US that is) yet.
From: danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:19 GMT
Organization: Apologies R Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: earlybird

(Mark Taranto) writes:

 I find myself, once again, in the uncomfortable position of defending
 Clayton Cramer's position.  Uncomfortable, because I have been very
 hard on him.  In my mind, I was also fair.  My sense of fairness is
 what brings me to his defence on this subject.
...
 danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR]) takes exception
 to this.  It is his right.  I do not agree.
... 
 However, Dan also takes a cheap shot at Clayton for his typo -- he
 used "statutes" instead of "statues."  As someone who makes a lot of

Mr. Taranto makes some good points. I hereby apologize and
will attempt to resist such temptations in the future.

Dano
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Patrick O'Brian vs Horatio Hornblower...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:25:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.131100.22226@brtph560.bnr.ca> Paul Schroeder writes:
>[Regarding a review of Patrick O'Brian novels in the NY Review of Books]
>
>Which issue of _The NY Review of Books_ contain's Bayley's review?  I'd be very
>interested in reading it.  Thanks.

Good question.  I believe it was last October or November.  Sorry I can't be
more specific without going to the library.

My apologies for posting this to the group, but the article I'm responding
to doesn't contain a return address in the header.

Wayne
-----------
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From: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Aug31.162504.1427@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <10518@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
>writes:
>
>>Oh, come on, now.  Both TIME and NEWSWEEK, as well as practically all of the
>>daily newspapers, have changed their format/substance to try and "appeal to
   ...
>I'm not sure how this is meant to be a response to what I wrote, John.
   ...
>"Oh, come on now" suggests that you are trying to take issue with me, yet
>your posting doesn't seem to address what I said at all.
>
>--Mike

   Sorry.  Apologies.  You are, of course correct.  The "Oh, come on now"
   really didn't refer to your post, but to the whole thread.  But I agree
   that it looked like I was referring to your post.  So humble apologies :-)

John

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nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306
  Actually, love means that you *do* have to say you're sorry, even
	 if you're really not in the least bit sorry. - (me)
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: One-joke books
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:39:49 GMT

In article <86982@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes...
> 
>There are probably numerous other one-joke books that could be called
>"ultimate".  The only one that comes to mind right now is Knutson
>FLATTENED FAUNA, a field guide to roadkill.

I don't know if this is a 1-joke book.  Although the theme is a take-off on 
field guide books etc., I find he has different parodies throughout the 
book so it doesn't get too monotonous. 

Ron
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Harrington & Harrington
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:41:22 GMT

Clayton Cramer writes:

	Clayton Cramer writes:

		It was always a Whig position.  Read some Sydney 
		Harrington.

	Whoops!  James Harrington, not Sydney Harrington.  Somehow, 
	James Harrington, Algernon Sidney, and John Trenchard all 
	merged together into SuperWhig! for a brief moment in my brain.

So long as you did not also include Michael Harrington, the last American 
Socialist.

							Fido
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:02:49 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <14781@mindlink.bc.ca>, Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
> I would be more impressed with Clayton Cramer's comments if he got his grammar
> right. When he says "Their coverage of Florida's 1987 revisions...were severely
> in error..." he commits a pretty obvious subject-verb disagreement. I realize
> that online composition makes it easy to slip up, but when one is assuming the
> Mantle of Superiority one had better make sure it covers one's bare
> backside...not to mention one's holster and capgun.

Mantle of Superiority?  Well, if I got paid for my USENET postings,
I would probably put more effort into "online composition."  I 
reserve that for articles and books for which I get paid.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.philosophy.misc,sci.classics
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: I need a word
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Aug16.174039.25397@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Aug22.164946.2044@golem.uucp>
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:44:47

Here's a bit more from the OED.

 [0;4mLa Primaud. Fr.  Acad.[0m ii. 567 A scarre-crowe to make
them afraide, as wee vse to deale with little children and with birdes
by puppets and *strawe-men. [0;1m1890[0m Frazer [0;4mGolden
Bough[0m II. 247 Sometimes a straw man was burned in the `hut'.
[0;1m1896[0m L. T. Hobhouse [0;4mTheory of Knowl.[0m 59 The
straw man was easily enough knocked over by the critic who set him up.
[0;1m1934[0m A. Woollcott [0;4mWhile Rome Burns[0m 76, I have
often challenged one of these straw-man authorities. [0;1m1946[0m
Koestler [0;4mThieves in Night[0m 328 The authorities..only got
the Rumanian captain and his crew, who couldn't give away much as all
their dealings had been with straw men under assumed names.
[0;1m1981[0m M. Hebden [0;4mPel is Puzzled[0m xviii. 180 He
seemed active enough, but there seemed an awful lot lacking in him...
Was he really just a straw man? [0;1m1747[0m *Straw-Motes [see
mote [0;4msb.[0m1 4]. [0;1m1874[0m Hardy [0;4mFar fr. Mad.
Crowd[0m
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:05:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I'm surprised to have seen no mention of the one US news magazine
that is intelligent, informative, well-written, and entertaining.
I refer, of course, to The Nation. The regular columns by, in
particular, Christopher Hitchens, Alexander Cockburn and Edward
Said are streets ahead of anything found in The Economist and its
ilk.

-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:14:52 GMT

In article <12054@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>And even by the current definition of "conservative" in America,
>they aren't conservative.  Note their oft-expressed feelings about
>gun prohibitionism.

I feel compelled to point out that Great Britain has no Second Amendment.
Few American conservatives would regard, say, Margaret Thatcher as a
liberal if she favored gun control measures (as I feel certain she does).



--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
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