HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lkriho@psych.colorado.edu (Lora Kriho)
Subject: Re: HEMPing HILLARY CLINTON in Boulder
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:24:08 GMT

bmasel@igc.apc.org (Ben Masel) writes:


>We took a hemp parade to the Clinton/Gore appearance at the
>Wisconsin State Capitol today. Handed out almost 1,000 copies of
>the flyer I posted to this group yesterday. Lots of signs. Thom
>put "HEMP for VICTORY" in clinton's face before he left. "1 ACRE
>OF HEMP = 20 BARRELS OF OIL" on local ABC & CBS stations. Watch
>for it tonite on the National? One reporter told me there had been
>a HEMP presence at about half the appearances since the Democrat
>Convention. Mentioned a town meeting in Virginia where Gore
>answered a hemp question "We're against drugs." I had a tangle
>with Secret Service agents who told me i could'nt stand by
>enterance to one of the press busses handing out leaflets. He said
>"We own the streets." "I pay taxes here. I'm exercising my First
>Amendment Rights!" His partner grabbed my ponytail, tried to throw
>me to the ground. Shook him off. Madison police intervened, let me
>continue leafleting til bus left.  Whew.


Hillary Clinton gave a little visit to the Univ. of Colo. campus in
Boulder a few weeks ago.  The Boulder Hemp Initiative Project was very
visible.  We had at least 6 or 7 signs.  Mine was about 20 feet from the
stage, so I know Hillary saw it.  She couldn't miss it!!

Since we did not get our initiative on the ballot this year, I think a
lot of people thought BHIP would roll over and play dead.  That's why it 
was great to
see so many hemp people at the Clinton rally.

Keep up the good work!!

As an aside, wouldn't it be great to see a newsgroup alt.hemp???

If anyone knows anything about this, please post.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] In the window??
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:56:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.234318.8004@u.washington.edu>, ap.5534@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>Hi all. A FOAF of a FOAF of mine is growing A Certain Herb for

If he told two friends, and they told two friends, and they did the same,
and they did the same, 31 people now know about this plant.  That's 30 too
many.

>Plant responds favorably to a few hours under a 100-watt incandescent
>bulb, by the way, but none of his friends' FOAFs think that it could
>live completely on this source.)

It would do better under a fluorescent shop light.  $10 for the light plus
$4 for two bulbs is pretty cheap.

>What's the call? Is my FOAF's FOAF an oaf? (I'm sorry if that one hurt.)

It's probably OK if the window is at least ten feet above ground level.  
Don't hover over it during the day.  Close the blinds before turning on
the booster light.  In other words, keep a low profile.

BTW, if you live in the US, you can have all your possessions confiscated
for growing marijuana -- especially the house it's grown in.  I bet your
friend is a poor college renter....

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:12:53 GMT

derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>Most of the damage is caused, not by the solvents, but by the substances
>dissolved within them.  It doesn't require much thought to realise that 
>paint or glue are not ideal substances to coat the inside of your lungs with.

   I suppose it requires more thought than I'm capable of to realise how
nonvolatile substances dissolved in volatile ones could get into your lungs
when inhaling the vapours.
--
Jani Heinonen                    "Tonight when I chase the dragon,
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
Finger for public PGP key         And the silver will turn to gold
E-mailed upon request             Time out of mind."
From: jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Seth Byrn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ephedrine effects??
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:05:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Bv54r5.HAE@Novell.COM> alex@otis (The Console DJ) writes:
>
>So what kind of effects on someone does ephedrine have??  I have seen it in p
>packages of 6 (not resealable so I assume that would be the dosage?) X 25mg??
>What detremental effects of any does it have?
>-- 
><blah blah Employer blah not blah blah responsible blah blah my blah opinion>


 
Six is _NOT_ the dosage.  Three is a good dosage, but don't try six
unless you want to get sick.  I usually buy a bottle of 100 for about
seven bucks, which lasts quite a while.
 
As far as side effects.. nothing too serious.  However I usually
experience major loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and a little
nervousness.  
 
Jeremy Byrn
jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: ap.5473@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] watched chemicals
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:10:20 GMT
Reply-To: ap.5473@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu



	I don't pretend that this is complete and correct, but here
is my gleanings from the latest SIGMA catalog:

>From 1992 Sigma Chemical Company catalog, pages 1628 & 1629
 
OTHER DEA CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
        Not classified, but reporting required by the DEA.  When ordering
any of these items, please provide your written purchase order, your
acceptance of the administrative fee, the intended ultimate use, and the
signature of the end user.
 
4-Amino-2,2,6,6-tetramethylpiperidine
2-Ethylpiperidine
1-Ethylpiperidine
1-(2-Hydroxyethyl)piperidine
3-Hydroxymethyl-1-methylpiperidine
3-Hydroxy-N-methylpiperidine
1-Methylpiperidine
2-Methylpiperidine
3-Methylpiperidine
4-Methylpiperidine
3-Phenylacetylamino-2,6-piperidinedione
Piperidine
cis-2,3-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,4-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,5-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
cis-2,6-Piperidinedicarboxylic Acid
Piperidine-4-sulfonic Acid
2,2,6,6-Tetramethylpiperidine
 
SUBSTANCES NOT CONTROLLED BY THE DEA
        These items are available without DEA license.  Telephone and
telegraph orders are accepted.  There is no administrative fee for 
handling these items.  They may be exported, provided the country of
destination does not control their importation, possession, or use.
 
N-Allylnormetazocine
p-Bromophenylethylamine
2-(p-Chlorophenyl)ethylamine
3,4-Dimethoxyphenylethylamine
p-Fluorophenylethylamine HCl
3-Hydroxy-4-methyl-a-ethylphenylethylamine HCl
3-Hydroxy-4-methoxyphenylethylamine HCl
5-Methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
p-Methoxyphenylethylamine
3-Methoxytyramine HCl
N-Methyltryptamine
Pseudonarcotic Cocaine Formulation
Pseudonarcotic Heroin Formulation
 
 

	When I get the time I will type in the list of controlled
substances as well.

-- 
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From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Organization: Obscene Refrigerator Magnet Collectors of America
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:37:08 GMT

In article <jah.717873173@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>
>>Most of the damage is caused, not by the solvents, but by the substances
>>dissolved within them.  It doesn't require much thought to realise that 
>>paint or glue are not ideal substances to coat the inside of your lungs with.
>
>   I suppose it requires more thought than I'm capable of to realise how
>nonvolatile substances dissolved in volatile ones could get into your lungs
>when inhaling the vapours.

Droplets.  You don't inhale nearly as much of the gas phase as you do of the
vapor (i.e., liquid phase in the form of tiny droplets, if I recall my high
school chem correctly).

I always thought the "recreational"/hazardous effects were caused by solvent
molecules binding to hemoglobin and causing hypoxia in the brain. (I could
obviously be very, very wrong here.)  This explains the headaches, etc., and
explains why one gets the same symptoms no matter what the substance is (hair
spray, rubber cement, glue, etc.).  The literature on drug abuse I was forced
to read as a child gave this as the explanation, if I recall aright.

Seth L. Blumberg          | "Once again, fear and superstition triumphed over
slb22@cunixb.columbia.edu |    science and technology."
On CI$: 76460,1666        |        -- Anton Braun Quist, quoting Ed Whitaker
   > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
From: swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken S.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Plant food for growing MJ
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:47:14 GMT
Organization: somewhere

Hi, are there any plant foods that are better than others for growing
Marijuana?  I tried Shultz's once and it worked pretty good, but I can't seem
to find that brand now? 

Also, how much light should they have per day before and after budding?

Ken 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: BSD?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:54:30 GMT

>Yeah, it's still around, though not as popular as a similar drug called
>USL.  Check out the newsgroup comp.unix.bsd.

Actually, USL is the name of the company which manufactures the drug
which is called SysV (goes also by street names SVR4, SVR3 and the like).

USL is trying to criminalize BSD, though - and if SysV is more
popular, it's just because of big money and marketing.  As you might
guess, SysV is very harmful to health and can even cause harm to the
brain and is often associated with aggression, while BSD will just
make you happy and willing to share with others.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: china white
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:29:09 GMT

In article <1a11ttINNgna@agate.berkeley.edu>, curtis@cs (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.213616.20876@ctp.com> ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
>|
>|2) again, side-by-side comparison of heroin vs. cocaine, this time
>|long-term mortality. The results? After some period of time (I think 30
>|days), 30% of the heroin rats were dead, while 90% of the cocaine rats were
>|dead.
>
>Damn good thing, innit, that people aren't rats.

One point to ponder here is the environment.  I understand that people
in cages tend to self-administer psychoactive drugs more often and in
greater quantities than people outside cages.  I'd guess the rats were
in cages?

//Jyrki
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: War on Drugs
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:27:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:
: >
: >Nope. The FDA should provide testing for those manufacturers who wish FDA
: >approval of the purity/effectiveness of their drugs. Such testing should not
: >be required - for any drug. If a person wishes to buy an uncertified chemical,
: >that should be their choice.
: 
: 	That was careless wording, I actually agree with you--though I do
: think if a drug refuses FDA certification it should be labeled as such
: (i.e. "Not Certified by the FDA"). Otherwise it would be too easy for
: people to assume that it is "guaranteed safe". In an ideal society
: no one would be dumb enough to think that anything they buy is implicity
: "guaranteed" to be safe, but this is the real world (and the requirement
: wouldn't hurt or inconvenience the producers at all).

I agree that there should be something on the label to indicate FDA
certification, or lack thereof. However, just because it is certified
by the FDA does not mean that it is safe. It would only mean that it
is of the required purity and supposed effectiveness that the manufacturer
claims. Certification would have nothing to do with the safety of a
drug, except as related to purity.

Bill
From: marc@remarque.berkeley.edu (Marc DeGroot)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

In article <jah.718135272@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>>That's a less than scientific description.  Nitrous oxide does NOT
>>"react" with your body in any normal sense of the word.
>   Then how come it alters the mood? Inhaling inert gases (e.g. helium)
>have no effect on the human body besides hypoxia, as far as I know.

[ Warning! Pure speculation follows ]

I'm not much of a chemist, but it seems to me that even if the gas is inert
it may act to keep other chemical reactions from happening simply by being
physically between two molecules that may otherwise react.  

Hey, someone with some real knowledge: is this right?



-- 
Marc de Groot (KG6KF) San Francisco | 
Internet: marc@kg6kf.ampr.org       |          "Dare to dream..."
UUCP: ..!uunet!hoptoad!noe!marc     |
Packet radio: KG6KF @ K3MC          | 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:11:48 GMT

ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz) writes:
>My experience is this: LSD flashbacks exist and I have them all the
>time.  They are not the result of a bad experience and I guess I liked
>doing it, cause I did it more that several dozen times. The flashbacks
>are not annoying or dangerous, but rather fun and certainly interesting.
>I don't all of a sudden see pink elephants, but I do see walls breathing
>and people becoming lizard-like in appearenc. I find that latter 
>especially interesting when I happen to be in traffic court or taking
>a mid-term.

I think we need a better term for these than "Flashbacks".  This 
phenomina seems to be in the same realm as state-dependent learning --
only its your mind learning a state and learning how to move yourself
somewhat into that state without chemicals.

"Flashbacks" are a term that I would reserve for something more 
debilitating.  My conception of a flashback would be more like a LSD-
experience induced case of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.  One of these
days I'll ask my doctor for some references to PTSD since he's worked with
it before... 

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Keywords: drugs, delete, legalization
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Distribution: national
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:26:43 -0500

mtymp06@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ted Vessenes) writes:

>I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?
>I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
>of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
>So why would you want to use drugs?  Email or post back.
>-- 

Let me clear up some misconceptions.

The .drugs groups have subscribers/posters who don't use illegal drugs
and subscribers/posters who do.  If by "druggies" you are attempting
to categorize all posters then you are clearly in error.

You should understand that advocating an end to the drug war does
not equate with using currently illegal drugs.

Drug users who ABUSE drugs undoubtably "die much sooner" -- the most
abused drug is nicotine smoked in tobacco cigarettes.  Around of
90% of people who use this drug are addicts and they do, indeed,
die sooner.  Interestingly, moderate use of other drugs seems to
correlate with increased life span -- this is true of alcohol and
there is some sketchy evidence that it is also true of cannabis.
(I say sketchy because I don't think anything I've seen rises to
the level of a valid study.  For the record, there is no evidence
that use or abuse of cannabis shortens the life span.)

Beyond all this, there is a philosophical nugget in the questions
you ask.  Why engage in a particular activity that carries risk?
The simple answer is that the person engaging in risk-taking behavior
must see some counterbalancing benefit.  Personally, I don't understand
rock climbing -- scaling El Capitan is too much like being a fly on
a wall for my taste.  However, I'd bet that the endogenous "drugs"
associated with this activity can produce quite a rush.  Also, there
are ontological rewards, I'm sure, from confronting one's own 
mortality and not shriveling in the process.  Then there's sky diving
and auto racing.  Arguably, these activities are much more dangerous
than taking psychedelic drugs (no, I haven't engaged in any of them).

In a tolerant society -- one in which we tolerate the activities of
others -- the principal benefit is that our own activities are tolerated.
I have no problem with someone saying, "I think eating chocolate is
stupid and bad for you."  I do have a problem with someone agitating
and getting a legislature to pass a law that says I can't eat chocolate
because it is bad for me.

I trust that this clarifies things ...

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
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From: ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz)
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:00:43 GMT

A lot of stuff deleted...

My experience is this: LSD flashbacks exist and I have them all the
time.  They are not the result of a bad experience and I guess I liked
doing it, cause I did it more that several dozen times. The flashbacks
are not annoying or dangerous, but rather fun and certainly interesting.
I don't all of a sudden see pink elephants, but I do see walls breathing
and people becoming lizard-like in appearenc. I find that latter 
especially interesting when I happen to be in traffic court or taking
a mid-term.

I don't believe nor have I ever been told by family, friends, or strangers
that I "act different" from the rest of the population. I may be thinking
or seeing differently, but I guess I'm not showing it as John Rescigno
seems to be asserting.

I don't know if I'm altered, damaged, or if strange molecules are 
circumnavigating my neural net, but I challenge anyone to tell from
my daily behavior.

I'm not talking about insignificant doses either.  My first experience
was well over 1000 micrograms (made in a Med school lab by a friend who
misplaced a decimal point). I once attempted to see how often I could
take it before I stopped reacting. It took a few days before I didn't
get off anymore. BTW, my first experience lasted about 40 hours (almost
2 days for those of you who can't add:) 

And, just for the record...I don't endorse the use of any drug including
lsd...they call it dope for a reason.... :)

obligatory sixties joke...Nixon's father should have pulled out....

Jonathan

-- 
Oh my, I really need a better sig....
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: rosewood seeds
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:02:08 GMT

ch_hayhurst@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>I would like to know if there is anyone out there who has heard of being able
>to extract LSD out of something called baby hawaiien(sp?) rosewood seeds.
>Is this just an urban legend or what?
>If there is actually a way to do it, could someone please E-mail me or post the
>procedure?

Hey, there. They are called Hawiian Baby Wood Rose Seeds and I can't
imagine why you would want to extract the acid from them. You only 
need 6-8 seeds for a really good journey. If you like the taste of
bark, they aren't bad at all :). IMHO if you attempt to extract the
acid you stand a good chance of fucking it up. If you *really* want
to, then soak them in water (for like a LONG time...days, they are
very thick seeds) and then drink the water, because LSD is water 
soluble, and will stay in solution.
(Incidentally, this is the way to do Morning Glory seeds if they have
DDT. DDT is fat soluble, and will stay on the seeds, NOT in the water.
You drink the water that you soaked them in, and no bad effects [not
even the poops from eating all that yummy indigestible cellulose!])

--John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY
From: norstar@tnl.com (Daniel Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: TNL PHARMID MAILSERVER DEBUGGING
Keywords: pharmaceutical, identification, pharmid, tnl, mailserv
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:21:37 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights, Troy NY


Looking at the logs, it seems that a couple messages to mailserv@tnl.com
for pharmid pharmaceutical identification got sent to 'uucp' instead of
back to the sender.

IF YOU SENT A MESSAGE BUT DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE WITHIN A DAY (barring
delays at your end), PLEASE SEND AN IDENTICAL OR SIMILAR MESSAGE TO

	norstar@tnl.com

AS IF YOU WERE SENDING THIS TO PHARMID. That way I can trace the source of
the error without copying all messages, which would violate public privacy.
You can change the drug id string if you like, that is not important, as long
as it is sufficiently similar in number and type of words. More than that,
I'm interested in nontypical mail headers that our mailserv software gives up
on.

Since we preserve privacy, this kind of debugging is via voluntary cooperation
only by people who don't receive a response.

Oh, one more thing.

Those who want to use ALL pharmid features can login to tnl at the phone
no. below, as username 'pharmid', no password required. This is much better
if say, you want to find all identifiers for 'alprazolam', or something like
that... or if you are searching with halfway bad information, etc., or if
you want to be sure of anonymity.



-- norstar
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From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
	<1992Oct5.035359.20556@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:03:33 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.035359.20556@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

> In article <OLDMAN.92Oct4122649@titan.ucc.umass.edu> oldman@titan.ucc.uma
> s.edu (Tig Stone) writes:
[..]
>>
>>   JUST SAY N O
>>             2
>>
>>(It doesn't quite get the total humor across when you draw it out on
>>ther terminal.  But it was a "Just Say No" pin with a "2" put in
>>between the n and o as a subscript.
>>--
>>Tig Stone 
>>(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)


>  Sounds anti-WOD to me...

> St. Anthony

	Ah, perhaps I wasn't clear.  The pin said "Just Say No", but
the 2 was put on later by someone else.
--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
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