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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:55:21 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Oct13.102342@squid.inmet> johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe) writes:

>missed a fg of their own.  at any point, one big play would have given them

That was a blocked FG, and not a missed FG.

>-johndoe

Njan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:42:55 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Distribution: usa
 <JOHNDOE92Oct8.085730@squid.inmet> <09tz08a@rpi.edu>

Though the Bama-Tennessee game is a pretty big rivalry, it just
doesn't compare to Alabama-Auburn.  Tennessee's biggest rivalry is
with Bama, particularly after 1990.  When Bama kicked the winning
FG, the answer to the question Who are the last three teams to beat
Tennesee became "Alabama, Alabama, and Alabama."

Perhaps this quaint little Tuscaloosa saying will put things in
perspective.

 Tennessee sucks, but Auburn swallows.


Jim Thomas
From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UT at Austin seriously???
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:25:15 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

>From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
>Olka-who?  Gundy-who?
>Isn't ou lucky that Gardere is graduating.

aren't we lucky that Gardere is graduating.  he isn't that good of a
qb.  of course, Shea Morenz hasn't looked that great this year either
but he's only a learning freshman.  i'm looking forward to him taking
over.

>Woof
>Woof
>Now, hopefully _somebody_ will take the Longhorns seriously.

i won't take them seriously until they beat a&m.  why because that is
the only ranked team left in their schedule.  the Longhorns have only
beat Rice and UNT.  you can't take them seriously after just those wins.
they lost horribly to Miss St. and looked alittle better against Syracuse
but saying to take them seriously just because they beat ou, i don't know
about that...

>One more thing, someone said I'm not a real Longhorn because I feel that
>the a@m game is just as important as the ou game.

wrong.  i feel the same and believe me i'm a true Longhorn.

>Well, when you live in a small agricultural town you hear aggie alumni
>drivel all day long and needless to say I get really tired of it.
>Teasip this and teasip that, tu sucks and steers and queers.  It gets
>really old.  So that's why I feel beating a@m is just as important as
>beating ou.

i agree totally.  i feel the same about the a&m game as i do the ou
game.  when you're aggie friends start jabbing then just tell them when
they have a winning record against us then you'll take them seriously.

mike

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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  8 Oct 92 04:29:34 GMT

I won't call it the "biggest rivalry in the country", but Cal-Stanford
(the Big Game) definitely deserves to be up there.

Stanford's athletic department's ticket office is 1-800-BEAT-CAL.
Zany endings, particularly on even years when the game is at Berkeley
(the Play in '82, the Revenge in '90)...

Also, the Washington-Washington State rivalry (mentioned in another
post as a "big school vs. an also-ran") is actually a lot bigger than
that seems to imply.  True, in recent years, the Apple Cup has been a
pretty dull game with Washington playing at its current level and
Wash. St. down in the cellar, but the Washington folks still consider
it a big game, and it's a pretty big deal up there.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: question: rules concerning missed/blocked fieldgoals
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:23:05 GMT

In <lcei8rINNn9r@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> gerke@hydra1b.cs.utk.edu (Mark Gerke) writes:
>what are the rules for placing the ball for the change of possession? 

Basically, it is the previous spot (ie. where the  ball was last snapped).
If this spot is between the defenders 20-yard line and goal line, then
the ball will be put to play on the 20-yard line.
If the kick is blocked so that it does not cross the neutral zone then
the ball continues in play until dead otherwise, and the posession
is defined by the yard line to gain.

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Sunday morning QB
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:08:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



What a full weekend of games! So many games to watch;
Miami-PSU [simultaneously Ark-Tenn], Cal-Wash, Stanford-UCLA..

* Miami's FG defense is the best in the country. The speed of the
  outside rushers is something else to watch. PSU constantly shot
  itself in the foot, most of it caused by Miami. I thought Paterno
  should have passed on the 4th and 1 late in the game. The Miami
  LBs are very quick, and a running play outside played into their
  strong-point. At least a run up the middle was called for.

* The Cal-Wash game was great and very enjoyable. Both played a very
  aggressive defense, and it came down to which offense made the big
  plays. I thought Cal hung in there for a almost 3 quarters and
  then they gave ground as Wash found their weakness against the run
  up the middle. 

* Don James should start Brunell. Hobert missed some open guys, and
  then he just seems to press too much, doesn't relax at all, and 
  consequently overthrows his receivers.

* Stanford looked good in their opening drive, but the UCLA defense
  showed up and played a good game after that. The special teams
  breakdown and the turnover cost them any chance of a comeback
  against a very solid defense.

* Hawaii, playing their 3rd road game, finally came apart in Utah.
  The WAC is San Diego State's to lose. They play Hawaii in SD, 
  and except for back-to-back road games in ColoSt and Wyoming, 
  they have no threats at all. 

* Whats the over-under for Charlie Ward's INTs next week?

* My picks for next week (not sure in exact latest lines),

	SDSU -22 vs. UTEP
	[incredible mismatch, SDSU likes to score and put on a good
	display in their 1st official home game]

	Louisville -6 vs. Tulsa
	[last year, leading 33-0, Tulsa scored on a fake punt to try
	and impress Bowl scouts. Bush league maneuver. And this
	year's Tulsa is bad football team against which Louisville
	has intentions of running up the score.]

	USC -4.5 vs. Cal
	[Big revenge game for USC, whose defense has really
	impressed me after the first week when Faulk ran all
	over them. Lots of trash talking by Cal before last
	year's 54-30 rout in Berkeley. USC has better personnel
	everywhere except at RB.]
	

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| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:20:28 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Distribution: usa
 <1992Oct13.131322.12814@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
 <2fN=03Lnabjp00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>

In article <2fN=03Lnabjp00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie
Townsend) says:

>Wait a minute! Two MNC's in the 80's for JoePa?
Yes.
>1980 GA Dogs
>1981 USC The one in LA
>1982 Was this Penn State's other year?

Yes.  Beat Herschel Walker and the Georgia Bulldogs.

>1986 Penn State

Beat ANOTHER Heisman winner....

------------
Kurt Ludwick
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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Cannons (was Re: Obnoxious Maryland TD Celebrations)
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:48:50 GMT

When the Citadel scores a touchdown in a home game, there follows a 
volley of fire from 12 1864 Springfield replica rifles and then a 
blast from a 12-pound howitzer...  In case anyone is keeping a list
of this...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 17)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:41:57 GMT

In article <71263@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>I wrote:
>
>}ARKANSAS (2-4) hosts OLE MISS (3-2) in Little Rock:  
>}TV: JPT, 12:30 PM ET
>
>This is not right - I intended to put the little "TV" marker 
>under this game:
>
>}MISSISSIPPI STATE (4-1) visits SOUTH CAROLINA (0-5): 
>
>which is the game JPT listed at the beginning of the season.
>
>However, Nelson Jordan remins me via e-mail that this one:
>
>}GEORGIA (5-1) hosts VANDERBILT (2-3): 
>
>was promoted during last week's Arkansas-Tennessee broadcast.
>I don't know whether this is a switch or a split broadcast.
>Anyway, check your local listings.
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
>                                 "And computer rating systems."

Mark, the TV Guide lists Vandy at Georgia for the JP game this
week.  Next weeks game will probably stick: Miss St. at S. Carolina.

Bob E.
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Success against top teams
Date: 14 Oct 1992 16:57:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> A.P. reports that in the "Joe Paterno
>Era", PSU is 10-41 against teams that ended the season in the Top 10.  

As people pointed out, a top team will have lost most of its games 
against other top teams. This  is just simple logic.

For comparison, USC has a 19-24-4 record against top 10 teams in the
final poll over the 1964-1988 period (i have an old media guide).

If there is a team with a .5 or better record over that period , it
would be pretty impressive!

Serdar

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From: rmjarol@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Jarolin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State Wooferama (NOT)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:13:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond


	Pity for Miami that they ONLY beat Penn State by LUCK.  Let me see,
PSU outplayed Miami in practically every category!!!!!  I certainly don't
think that Miami deserves to be number 1 except in Miami fans dreams.  I
am not saying that Penn State does, though.

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From: rankinc@alden8.alleg.edu (Craig Rankin)
Subject: Re: Division III rankings
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:30:17 GMT

In article <Bvrq54.4K@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov  
(Charlie Cockrell) writes:
> In article <CMM.0.90.4.718484346.pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> >Here is the first Division III poll:
> >
> >South:
> >1) Washington & Jefferson (Va) (4-0)
> 
> By any chance, do you mean Washington and Lee? W&L is located in
> Lexington (same town as VMI). I've never heard of a Washington and
> Jefferson. 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer  
Champs.
> NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT  
Champions  
> U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB  
Champs.
> (These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional  
Champs.
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From: tgt@cbtgt.cb.att.COM (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Re:  Rose Bowl..National Champiom??
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.160220.13458@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
|> 
|> Yes, I am a disgusted Buckeye fan.

Jeff,
  Was that "disgusted" or "disgusting"?

				Tim
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Oct12.161159.16488@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.161159.16488@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:


   >What do you call forcing teams to settle for field goal attempts rather
   >than putting it in the endzone for six?

I call it good defense.  Maybe the best defense in the nation.
Unfortunately, the number 1 team must not only have good defense, but
good offense as well.  Miami is sorely lacking in this department, and
therefore does NOT deserve to be number 1.  That's my opinion, and I'm
always right.
From: scott@fraud.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Silvey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UW-Cal match report
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:35:40
Organization: UC Berkeley Experimental Computing Facility (XCF)
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 23:24:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.232436.1230@u.washington.edu> tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:

%   >   I have seen different opinions on the net regarding the game on
%   >Saturday between UW and Cal. From the final score 35-16, it seems to
%   >be an impressive win (I know, I know, the first half ended 7-7), while
%   >others seemed to suggest that the Huskies were "lucky" because Cal
%   >made some stupid mistakes. The game were not carried here on ABC, so
%   >could some one please write a match report? I believe the game was
%   >only carried by ABC on West Coast, so I am sure lots of other fans
%   >would also like to see such a report.  Thanx in advance.
%
%	   Good game, but the score was not representative of how well Cal
%   played.  If it had stayed 28-16 it would have been better that way and the
%   score really could easily have been 21-17.

Other indications of the fact that the game was closer than the score:

* Both teams had exactly 385 yards in total offense.  
* Both teams punted 7 times.  
* Cal lost 2 of 4 fumbles and passed 1 interception.

* Dave Barr had what I believe is his best passing game so far (22-38-1 for 
268 yards).  That's a 60% completion ratio in a come-from-behind offense
against Washington's crushing defense.  Keep in mind also that this is only 
Dave Barr's 5th game ever.  

* Cal also had 13 penalties for 92 yards (typical ... sigh).  
* Cal won time of posession by 2:20 (and Washington ran the ball 46 times!).  

* Washington's passing game was shot down by Cal's unique ;^) high-pressure 
defense (7-23-0 118 yards).  

* Little speedy Kaufman represented 55% of Washington's total offensive output
in that game!


Anyway, those who think Cal is (was) overated, think again.  Though 
dissapointed by the final score, I still feel that the Bears made a strong
showing.


Oh, and another amusing fact: at the end of the first quarter, the total
offensive gain stood at Cal: 18 yards, Washington: 12 yards!


Go Bears!

Scott Silvey
scott@xcf.berkeley.edu
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From: tomd@solbourne.com (Tom Diessner)
Subject: Re: CU - MU game
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:08:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.134546.18860@news.nd.edu> ejohnson@turing.cse.nd.edu (eric johnson) writes:
>What was the score to the Colorado/Missouri game last night??? Any analysis on how
>the Buffs looked???

The final Score: CU 6 MU 0.
This could go down as the most boring game of the year. CU's offense racked up 
460 yards of total offense, but mistakes, the weather, and Mizzou's D 
hindered them from scoring. CU's D was very tough, holding MU to 187 yards of
total offense( 60 yards rushing and 127 passing ). Kordell Stewart looked good
at times, and totaly inaffective at other times, but one has to wonder how long
it will be before Koy Detmer gets more playing time. 

Final analysis:
CU's D is coming around and playing like the defense they were touted
to be. The offense still has a long way to go before it catches up to the level
the defense is playing at now. The team has a long week to prepare for OU which
should help get some of the people that are nicked ready to play. Should be a 
good game.  

-- 

Thomas Diessner | tomd@solbourne.COM | Solbourne Computer Inc. | Longmont, CO
				"GO BUFFS"
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: PENN STATE @ BYU TICKETS
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 03:32:50 GMT



	I will have TWO (2) extra tickets for the PENN STATE @ BYU game.  The
tickets are for general addmission.   The original price is $16/each.  I will
take the best offer.  If you are interested,  please contact me at:

	E-mail:	JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU
	Phone:	(801) 585-5411 (day), ask for Mr. Li
		(801) 581-9455 (evening) 

The game will be on 10/31/92 at 12:00 noon MDT.


	*******************
	JLI   PENN STATE'90
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 4-Oct
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:23:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.1687A921A.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1avl1lINNah1@gap.caltech.edu>
   schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
 
>No I didn't forget that A&M beat Stanford.  Each game that a team plays
>has the same effect and nothing is done for head to head meetings.  The
>reason A&M is #19 is due to their small margins of victory and the
>strength of their opponents.  A&M's average margin is only 7.4 points
>while Stanford's is 12.6 which includes a negative margin in their loss.
>Stanford's strength of schedule is also 3.5 points higher.
>
>Notre Dame is still ranked higher than Stanford again because head to
>head meetings are not any more special than another game.  Notre Dame
>also has very big margin's of victory against teams that are not
>terrible teams.  Perhaps I should not reward big margin of victories
>as much as I presently do.
 
That would be a good idea; or at least reward defensive stats more
(sacks, rushing yards less than 100, *forced* turnovers, etc.).
In other words, you would say that a *team* that has a marginal
offense and the best defense is worth less than a *team* that has the
best offense but a marginal defense.  They *should* be ranked the
same, but if all you look at are score, then they won't be.
 
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From: jm21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU-GaTech (was Re: rule changes?? fumbles and kickoffs)
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:37:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct13.155829.21734@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>
>--->->->--------------G-O------N-O-L-E-S---------------------------------->
>James O'Connor                          FSU-vs-Georgia Tech
>JOCONNOR@evax.eng.fsu.edu               Oct 17, 1992   ??:00pm
                          the game's at 4:00pm ---------^
                          for ESPN

>"  ... I don't need this shit!"         ? Stadium, Athens-r-Atlanta
   why the Hell would we want to play in Georgia's--^
   Stadium?
The game's in Bobby Dodd Stadium at Grant Field
NOT in the Georgia Dome, thank God! (on second thought,
any of you Seminole fans coming to Atlanta are welcome
to come to the Georgia Dome for the game :-)



-- 
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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.205912.288@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX) writes:
>> |> Well, well, well....Virginia is now 5-0....hmmmmmm
>> |> 
>> 	Jeez, my work is never done :)
>> 
>> |> Up next Clemson....at Virginia....
>> |> 
>> |> Even though Clemson is coming from a big win over a small team, I 
>> |> think Clemson will LOOSE!!!!!    Virginia will be 6-0.
>> |> 
>> 	Virginia's run defense sucked against Wake, Clemson is the best rushing
>> team in the conference ... Virginia 5-1.
>
>Well...the score with  less than 2 minutes left in the first half 
>               VIRGINIA 28 to CLEMSON's 0 !!!!!!!
>
>Looks like Virginia will be seeing a lot more national coverage...
>...especially Terry Kirby, Chris Slade, and Bobby Goodman!!!
>Let the hype begin : VIRGINIA vs Florida State  October 1st !!!
>
>
>
>  GGGGGGG  OOOOOOOO             V        V        A          !
>  G        O      O              V      V        A A         !
>  G    GG  O      O               V   V         A   A        ! 
>  G     G  O      O                V V         AAAAAAA      
>  G GGGGG  OOOOOOOO                 V         A       A      O

FINAL: Clemson 29
       Virginia 28

You were saying??
From: apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:50:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.185037.18585
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>then Miami #1. 

I agree with you on this.  This will be the most reliable data point to
apply when comparing Miami and Washington.  Transitive properties simply
don't work in College football.  BTW - Washington plays AT arizona.

-- Andy
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