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From: judy@nepac.ucsd.edu (jgaukel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Hazards
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:35:30 GMT
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Birdie Hazards

Yes, I would like to add, hanging lamps!??    Ok, the real question: 
does anybody
ELSE'S bird run into hanging lamps?  Or do I have a nearsighted
cockatiel?  

Other pets are certainly a hazard.  My sister rescued her parakeet from
her cat's mouth...

Stoves, definitely.  How do you cooks keep your bird away from the
cooking area?
The shoulder works for a while, but she climbs down and gets into
trouble!  :-)
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From: 3dgraph@netcom.com (Three D Graphics)
Subject: Question: Lorikeets
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:58:15 GMT

I'm considering getting a Green Naped Lorikeet. Does anyone have any
experience with these birds? If so, any information would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks.

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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:53:57 GMT
Summary: names

In article <1993Jan25.231130.15140@brtph560.bnr.ca> anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta) writes:
->I'm a new 'tiel dad and 'wet behind the ears', so to say!
->
->I was hoping my mailbox would be flooded by replies, from
->all YE birdie lovers, to my previous post, but Alas! 
->Such wasn't the case...
->[...]

don't despair, answers will appear....alas, i don't own a 'tiel, so
i can only answer the following question...
  
->ps: Howz "Spike" for a name?

well, sally blanchard's black headed caique is named spike.
it gives the impression of one tough birdie...

names are a personal choice. watch how the birdie interacts with his
surroundings.  does he "look" like a Spike?  angus, the yc macaw, was
named after MacGyver, and i will admit, he definitely does look like
an "angus".  can pick apart computer keyboards with only a swiss army
beak too...

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From: eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (eabyrnes)
Subject: Cockatiel chicks
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:38:07 GMT

Hi Everyone,

I've got three new chicks here at school, I've been feeding the parents
regular seed mix, milk bread, and sprouts. I plan on getting some canned
corn. My question concerns this weekend, should I come back in each day to
feed them or would they be okay with seed over the weekend. I'll come in
if it is needed. If you breed cockatiels what else would you suggest for
food at this time? Thanks very much. Quick answers will be appreciated as
this weekend 23-24 is almost upon us.

Ed


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From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: FUNNY BIRDIE STORY
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:04:00 GMT
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Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

TO: rec.pets.birds

Ok, I have been thinking about sharing our adventures with Tiki, our 
Jenday Conure, so here goes.  All of our feathered friends have their own 
distinct personalities, and Tiki is no different.  This one likes to play 
in a way that reminds me of a puppy playing.  When I am reading the paper 
at the kitchen table, Tiki will dance and squak until I reach over and 
collect him and bring him to the table.  Then he immediately proceeds to 
crawl under one of the pages of the newspaper (I usually open the page for 
him), run around underneath, beating his wings on page above him, peeking 
his head out every once in a while as if to say, "Have I won?", or maybe 
"Are you tired of trying to read this stupid paper and start playing 
now?".  So, I finally give in and stick my hand under the page with Tiki 
and he dives into it, rolls over on his back and starts kicking and biting 
on the fingers and hand, squeeking and chirping in the process.  This can 
go on for several minutes until one of us tires of it, and then he runs 
out from under the paper, and starts chewing on the paper instead.  The 
routine can be repeated several times, until he is really tired. Then he 
jumps into my lap, crawls part way up the right side of my shirt, and 
expects me to close my arm behind him slightly, so he can lay his head 
back and take a nap!  this must be accompanied, of course, with a large 
does of my scratching his head, beak, and chin - hi bites at the skin 
under my shirt until I comply!  

Tiki also enjoys having breakfast with me.  As soon as the box of Wheaties 
comes out of the cabinet he starts dancing and squawking.  I go and get 
him and put him on the table.  When I pour the wheaties into the bowl, 
he's there immediately, on the edge of the bowl, sticking his head into 
the Wheaties - the one flake he wants is ALWAYS at the bottom.  It's not 
always easy keeping the more Wheaties in the bowl than he spills onto 
the table.  If that isn't acceptable he'll just jump into the bowl.  Then 
I cut up a banana into the Wheaties, and that settles him down into some 
serious eating.  After a few spoonfuls of Wheaties, he has to have his 
licks at the spoon full of milk, too.  Then he is finished with me, and 
goes back to chewing on the Sweet-n-Low papers, or the milk bottle cap, or 
me!

Regards,
Todd




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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Tough choices
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:04:48 GMT
Summary: what really happened
Keywords: angus

In article <1993Jan25.180434.26108@athena.mit.edu> jtidwell@athena.mit.edu (Jenifer P. Tidwell) writes:
->Barbara,
->
->I can sympathize.  Charlie, my Hahn's macaw, harbors a deep hatred for
->my fiance, and just a couple of weekends ago, gave him a chomp on the
->hand that Rich won't forget (or forgive) for a long time.  So far,
->Charlie's been more-or-less OK with strangers -- he will bite, but
->only if said stranger pushes his/her luck by wanting to pet him on the
->head or something -- but I doubt he'll ever like Rich.

ahhh, if it were only the adults in my family, there would be no problem -
my view is that if the birdie doesn't like you, there's always a birdFree
zone in the garage.

warning for the faint of heart - the following is *extremely* disturbing.
but perhaps i can help others from making this same mistake....

as you know, my SO has darry , the maroon bellied conure, while i have
angus.  now, they always mock-fight at one another (angus is twice
his size), and we (my SO and i) make sure they have no real contact.
well, on saturday, angus was in his cage, darry on top of his, and then
darry decided to pick a ferocious battle with angus.  

neither my SO nor i was quick enough to prevent the aftermath.  angus
grabbed hold of the lower part of darry's beak and wouldn't let go;
end result - 1/2 of said beak was fractured up so it was hanging down
about 1/4".  we rushed darry to the vet (note - in plainfield, nj,
there is a *fantastic* animal hospital which has 3 avian vets),
and he sutured up both sides of the beak as well as epoxieing it.

well, darry came thru surgery, and he was suposed to come home yesterday,
but the epoxy cracked, so he was re-surgerized.  i'll find out the results
today.  (another note - that birdie should not have survived that attack;
he is one bleepin' tough creature).

so folks, if you have two birdies which don't like one another, don't
think "it can't happen to them!"  'cause it can, when you least expect
it.
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From: lecampbell@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: "Hey, where's my food?"  Converting 'tiel to pellets
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: lecampbell@OCTAVO

I have been reading this group for a number of months now, and even
responded to a couple of queries, but I haven't introduced myself.  Now
that I have a modem at home, I have the time and means.

In high school, back in the dark ages, I raised parakeets.  For a few
years there, in between, I didn't have any birds.  Now I have 10
cockatiels, 1 severe macaw, and, until recently, a dog who loved the
birds.  She, unfortunately died.  My new housemate brought along 5
more cockatiels and two cats.  The cats are great about the birds, both
mine and his.

My youngest daughter and I raised cockatiels for years.  She started 
college last fall, so cockatiel breeding is on hiatus.  All but one
of our breeding birds are pets too.  All the birds are handle-able, 
just to make things easier.  All the male birds, but one, talk.  They
ALL say, "What are you doing?"  Sometimes they are ALL SAYING it too.

To respond to a couple of earlier questions, it is my experience that
normal looking birds that carry white splotches on the back of the head
are carrying a pied recessive gene.  The splotches may indicate the
white recessive, or even somthing else, but I don't think you could
prove anything without breeding the bird.

On the severe macaw, mine was NOT hand-raised.  I got him from a local
vet student.  I had to use a dowel to take him in and out of the cage.
He is now 14 years old.  He fell in love with me last fall.  It was not
that he wasn't fairly tame before, but he just seemed to put up with us.
In the fall he started soliciting my attention, primarily by making
ovetures toward my elbow.  At that time he also attacked a male (human)
friend of mine.  

Now he has extended his love to my new housemate.  I think the process
was prompted by the bribery Michael has engaged in--mainly green beans,
a love the macaw, Birdsley, never told ME about.

Is he noisey?  He sure can be, but he doesn't have the volume my older
daughter's Blue and Gold Macaw has.  He can be nasty too.  He hates ALL
cockatiels and my mother's dog.  The cats and he ignore each other.  He
tries to bite what he hates.  He can be affectionate too, especially to
elbows, cooing and rubbing and turning upside down.  He's probably not
a typical pet, in that he came entirely untamed.  But he's come a long way.
He's name after Beardsly, the artist, because he's an Art Deco bird.  His
first name, rarely used, is Hugo, because it's a green name.  Maybe you
have to be into rec.arts.sf, to follow that one.

Sorry for the length here.  It's two in the morning; I get verbose at
this time.
From: mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Ever just feel really stoopid?
Date: 29 Jan 1993 05:13:48 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Summary: Don't be stoopid.
Keywords: stoopid treat dish useless information silly anecdote

Well, I've had this ``treat dish'' which I've tried, from time to time,
hanging on the side of the cage, and it always ends up on the floor of
the cage soon after I hang it up.  I just assumed that Spike was being
obnoxious, that she strewed her treats all over the place because she
found she could pull down the dish.

The other day, I figured I'd reintroduce some seed to Spike by putting
it in her treat dish.  I put some of the seed in the bottom and held it
up to her, and discovered that her head didn't fit into the dish unless
she turned it sideways!  I'm sure this is obnoxious enough to warrant
throwing the dish on the cage floor, where the yummies are easily accessible.

Moral of the story:  Don't be stoopid!


-Alf Mikula
 mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu
From: donna@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donna Whitlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdies at Woirk (was: Re: I need to buy a ...)
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:30:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

>that brings up a rather interesting question.  how many of y'all have
>brought your birdies into work?  how do your co-workers handle it?
>what kinds of jobs do birdies perform best?  :-)


My cockatiel, Daniel, has visited my office on numerous occasions.  My
co-workers have mixed reactions to the beastie.  My boss thinks Daniel
is a loud, messy nuisance.  Several individuals are frightened of him.
One woman thinks he's beautiful to look at, but she doesn't want him to
perch on her.  Then there's the one that steals him back to her office
if I don't pay close attention.

Daniel Bird did a wonderful job helping me record a message on my office
answering machine.  I have a very professional sounding message except for
the cockatiel chirps in the background.  Seriously confuses everyone who
calls.

He sometimes creates syntax errors by walking on the keyboard.  But, his 
favorite project is to organize my desk for me by throwing everything he can 
carry with his beak onto the floor.  I'm constantly amazed at how strong a 
cockatiel can be.

Donna Whitlinger
Rutgers College of Nursing
donna@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:56:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta) writes:

>* What is the average life expectancy of tiels?
16-20 years, if I remember right.

>* How often should a tiel be bathed? 
>  More important perhaps, at what age should I start bathing
>  my boy? (He's 3 wks old...)
I bathe my 3-year-old lutino whenever she becomes insistent about jumping
in the sink when I'm shaving.  No clue about the age.

>ps: Howz "Spike" for a name?
Taken, sir!  Of course, I didn't realize she was female until she started
laying eggs this summer...

-Alf Mikula
 mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu
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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Growling Grey
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:45:46 GMT

In article <6338@rosie.NeXT.COM> bavenell@next.com (Bette Avenell) writes:
->
->[...]
->Yesterday I took him to the vet (avian) for the first time, and while he was  
->still in his carrier he saw a large dog.  All of a sudden there was this 
->noise  that sounded like a really loud buzz-saw!  

that quiet?  my, you must have a virtually mute african grey!!  bartina,
the mother tongue's ag, has a tone which sounds like a hyperactive mule with 
his ears caught in a hot-air balloon...

->Is this what everyone means  
->when they talk about Greys growling?  

yep indeedy!

->Or did he just learn to make that 
->noise somewhere?

has he been at a barnyard lately?  :-)
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From: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin newlund)
Subject: Re: A Question to All (was: Re: Tough choices)
Reply-To: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin newlund)
Organization: Vitalink
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:26:13 GMT

How is Darry doing now? I now have a better idea of your situation.
Please keep us posted about Darry. If Angus truely enjoys the
pet store maybe the most loving choice would be to let him move
on.
What do I get from my birds? A chance to sit in the bathroom while
blowing drying Kiala. This is time for me to think and relax and
know that I'm not supposed to be doing anything else.
Love - when I've had an absolutely rotten day, a few minutes of birdie
cuddles and life moves back into perspective.
Someone else to worry about besides myself. Beauty. Laughter - in a
world where there is too little fun and games, there are my birds. That's
what I REALLY get from them.

Robin Newlund
rnewlund@vitalink.com
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From: szat@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Szatmari George)
Subject: female canary losing feathers
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:04:24 GMT

Our 3 year old female canary has recently started losing feathers
around the neck area - enough to make a bare patch visible.  The
bird seems healthy enough, though she has been in a "nesting mode"
for the past year, always trying to build her nest in her food bins.
We have resorted to giving her food in covered bins to stop her nesting
in them.  My question is - what is causing her to lose her feathers
(stress, hormones, parasites, etc) and what can we do to prevent her
from going bald?  Any suggestions, via email, will be appreciated.

George Szatmari  szat@ere.umontreal.ca
Universite' de Montreal


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From: cjb@canopus.Stanford.EDU (Cecil Bloch)
Subject: Carpet damage and birds
Reply-To: cjb@vega.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 21:53:00 GMT

I wonder if anyone has any magic remedy for getting bird poop out of and  
off carpets.  Given that accidents will occur, carpet covering is not a  
100% solution unless all of it can be covered all the time (which in my  
case isn't practical).  And what about potty training? How would you do  
this?
Is there any significant variation in the acidity of bird poop by species?   
The two critters in question are a lovebird and yellow-collared macaw.  Is  
carpet ruination inevitable or can it be avoided?
Any advice will be very very very welcome.....

--  Cecil "Max" Bloch
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From: tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tanya Ann Olsen)
Subject:  Hazards or Toys? was Re: Birdie Hazards
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:20:24 GMT

In article <1k4e59INNflh@network.ucsd.edu>, jgaukel <judy@nepac.ucsd.edu> writes:
|> Birdie Hazards
|> 
|> Yes, I would like to add, hanging lamps!??    Ok, the real question: 
|> does anybody
|> ELSE'S bird run into hanging lamps?  Or do I have a nearsighted
|> cockatiel?  

My bird (Amazon parrot) loves hanging fixtures!  She loves to fly to chandeliers
especially and play on the chain or just sit there, king..er...queen of the
hill.  Needless to say, my mother would get very upset when this happened
simply because she'd knock crystals off the chandelier.  We never let her
stay, and those particular lamps were rarely used so her chances of burning
herself were slim. 

There was a hanging plant (silk) on a long chain in my bathroom.  Her favorite
routine would be to beg to get into the shower with me.  After a bit, beg to
get out.  Then, she'd fly to the chain, hang on, and flap her wings (to dry
herself?).  Then, she'd fly back to the shower door and beg to get in again...
ad nauseum...  Somehow reminds me of a little kid diving into a swimming pool,
crawling out, and diving in again....

Tanya Olsen
tolsen@leland.stanford.edu
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I lost a finch once when she flew into the glass of a window.  Always
remember to draw those curtains when you have your non-clipped birds out
of the cage.

- Bill G
From: rjarecki@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Robert Jarecki)
Subject: Re: Birdies at Woirk (was: Re: I need to buy a ...)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:13:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.224722.29098@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>
>that brings up a rather interesting question.  how many of y'all have
>brought your birdies into work?  how do your co-workers handle it?
>what kinds of jobs do birdies perform best?  :-)

George and Martin ('tiels) are helpful in the following ways:

TELEPHONES:
	George:		Lets you know phone is ringing in case you
			didn't notice.

	Martin:	1.	Lets you know George is telling you that phone
			is ringing in case you didn't notice.
		2.	When you are speaking on the phone, lets you
			know (every 5 - 20 seconds) that he is expecting
			a very important call and you should keep the line
			clear.
VISITORS:
	George:		Wants to have all visitors for lunch (favorite
			blood type is O+).
	Martin:		Lets all visitors know this is his private office
			and he does not have them on his calendar. GO AWAY!
OFFICE EQUIPMENT
	George		ALL colored plastic paper clips belong to HIM.
			PUT THEM DOWN.
	Martin		Wants to know why some people get upset when he
			poops on the conference table when they are allowed
			to make a mess eating on it.

Perhaps some of this is not so "helpful," but it was only one day.
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: How do I play with my pig?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:48:28 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kolsky.tamu.edu
Keywords: pig, potbelly, Vietnamese

I have a seven-month old Vietnamese potbelly pig, and I'm curious
as to how other pig owners play with their animals.  Our porker
used to play with the cats (you chase me; I'll chase you), but
lately they have pretty much left each other alone.  I do take
her outside for walks in the yard when the weather is nice, but
I don't want her to be bored at other times.  She hasn't quite
figured out how to use the TV remote yet (anyway she only likes
Green Acres and CNN).

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