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From: umpistun@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Pistun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: how to copyright software
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:15:56 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr10.191737.17393@crash.cts.com> nelson@pro-miami.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:
>I think I may have missed parts of this tread. What exactly is the
>procedure for Copyrighting software. What is the proccess?
>

     I missed the previous messages about this, so I apologize if this
seems out of place  :).

     An "artistic work" (which sofware is considered), is automatically 
granted copyright protection for a term of 50 years plus the lifetime
of the creator, or 50 years if there is not one specific author.

     You CAN register a copyright.  I don't know the actual procedure, but
is doesn't cost very much (I've heard, anyways).  That might give you a little
more power if you had to sue someone..

     You might try and write to:
       Box 9
       Patent & Trademark Office
       Washington, DC      20231
       U.S.A

Or the equivalent office in Canada (in Ottawa).

     One thing some people have suggested to do is mail a sealed copy of
the work to yourself and keep it sealed.  You then have proof that the
software was written at the time being claimed.


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umpistun@CCU.UManitoba.CA                 Computer Engineering
From: johnp@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (John Palaima)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Pricing of proline
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-angm.dg27027
Organization: ProLine [pro-angmar]

Where did you get THAT price.....its about half of that now.
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From: dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wanted : MACOS BBS operating system
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:12:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-iisy.d981233
Organization: ProLine [pro-iisysops]

MACOS is an unauthorized derivative of GBBS, and a violation of L&L
Productions' copyright on GBBS. The posting of PEPSI on
comp.binaries.apple2 was probably also a copyright violation, although that
would depend on whether or not 'PEPSI' will run on its own.

If you're looking for inexpensive BBS software, look at Warp Six or
AppleNet. Both are shareware. (And available on my BBS, if you're
interested.)

Doug Granzow           dig@pro-iisysops.cts.com  or  ...crash!pro-iisysops!dig
"The aging process could be delayed...if it had | Call: The 'II Sysops' BBS
 to make its way thru Congress" --George Bush   | +1 410 549 2584 USR DS v42b
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: mporter@pro-palmtree.socal.com (System Administrator)
Subject: Metal stuff
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/450-9394 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:40:49 GMT

In <1992Apr10.153036.13754@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bj687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory Joseph Boehnlein) writes:


>I don't want to start a 'my bbs is better than your bbs' war. It's immature
>and not worth pursuing. With the dwindling number of Apple II systems, every
>apple II user should be happy that anyone is running an Apple specific BBS
>in the first place.

        Hey, you guys were the ones talking about BBS wars, not me. I simply
stated a few thoughts of my own.

>My opinion is my own. It comes from being a GBBS Sysop of 7 years, trying 
>ProLine, then finally setteling down with METAL. In >MY< opinion, METAL is
>a much more sophisticated package than ProLine can ever hope to be. Why? 
>Because, first off, BASIC is just plain slow. I don't like it, it's hard to
>modify from remote, and if it crashes, your pretty much screwed.

        This is not correct. I have modified code over a remote link, and
even did some machine language programming as well. We crashed the computer
once, but ProLine has error trapping and the system rebooted. In a minute we
were at it again.  In some ways, a slow BBS vs. a fast BBS doesn't make much
sense these days, because most people are using hard disks and accelerators.
Unless you are running a pirate/leech board, users will spend most of their
time typing, so it doesn't make a difference how fast the system is. It runs
at the words per minute rate of the user.

>METAL, on the other hand, is a compiled language that is easy to modify from 
>remote, almost crash proof, and VERY tolerant of errors.

        Sounds like it allows for sloppy programming to me. Sooner or later,
all BBSes crash. In the last two years, I've had about three or four crashes
total, which is good enough for me. 




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From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: "Apples for the Students"
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:34:38 GMT

I just read in today's Houston Post than Hakeem Olajuwon of the Houston
Rockets presented an Apple II GS Color Computer System and an Apple
Image Writer Printer to Grimes Elementary School here as part of
AppleTree Markets' fourth "Apples for the Students" program.

I thought you might like to know...
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From: nkp@ausom.oz.au (Nicholas Pyers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Connecting two //gs via Serial port
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:18:14 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Recently I posted an article about connecting two Apple //GS's together via
the built in modem ports using the cable off my Imagewriter II and ProTERM v3.0

Thanks to all those who responed with this suggestion.  It worked! sort of!

I did however run into quite a few problems.

Mainly I continously got a lot of send and recieve errors under all transfer
protocals (I mainly used ZMODEM)

Both GS's are ROM 01, the serial port were set to the standard control panel setttings
standard ImageWriter II cable, the "fixed" version of ProTERM v3.0

Any sugguestion what might be going wrong??

Thanks in advance again


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: 11hlayton@galluj (Ryan Layton, aka Cybe)
Subject: VT Emulation please!
Organization: Gallaudet U.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:19:22 GMT

Yo, I'm asking if anyone knows of any good software that will 
allow me to run VAX VT emulation higher than my PROTerm 2.x's VT 100, 
which sucks.  I'd like to be able to dial in to my University's VAXes without
wincing. :)  I have an //e, so no GS only progs please.

Also, is there anywhere I can go to for finding out about hard drives?


Thanks...posting on here or getting to me via e-mail is fine.


Cybe

=]SIG's in the SHOP 4 repairs...[=
From: x9999bns@oak.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Icons question
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:11:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.1992Apr6.160005.5148
Reply-To: X9999BNS%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <1992Apr2.205536.7597@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>In article <64680@apple.Apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
>
>[More on CDev.Data, Icons,... ]
>
>I've removed the CDev.Data file, but it never reappears. If it's being 
>rebuilt where is it? Everything seems to work fine though?
>
>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

It's an invisible file now.


David Isaacson           VAX:  Fraenhawk@maple.circa.ufl.edu
                               X9999BNS@maple.circa.ufl.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Subject: Re: AW3.0 Spreadsheed Problem!
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/450-9394 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:36:04 GMT

Well, this is again one of those "features" that is remarkable...
as Mike Westerfield notes when dealing with operator precedence in the
ORCA/Integer Basic manual (I think that's the manual, but if it isn't,
please correct me!) ..."spreadsheets still haven't learned to do order
precedence" or something to that effect...

.....................................................................
Bryan K. Ogawa  Undergraduate Computer Science and Engineering Major
                University of California, Los Angeles
                II Infinitum!    
                Jesus has done great things for me!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: paulp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Paul Parkhurst)
Subject: $DB02
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/450-9394 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:14:40 GMT

   Since I haven't seen the most recent tech note on file type $B3, could
someone tell me what the aux types mean?  I noticed that GSHK had an aux
type of $DB07, which caused it to load from the system 6 finder without
turning off the SHR screen first.  When I wrote PMPUnzip, I also gave it an
aux type of $DB07 so it would do the same, but I have no idea what the
significance of the aux type is.  If someone could tell me, I'd appreciate
it.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dt@dhw68k.cts.com (Donald Toy)
Subject: Need HELP to connect generic printers to GS
Organization: Wolfskill & Dowling residence; Anaheim, CA (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:30:53 GMT


Sorry if this is a FAQ but I don't read this newsgroup regularly. What kind of
printers can be hooked up to the GS? What are the basic requirements to connect
an Epson, Toshiba dot matrix printer? Does the software packages out there
expect to see an Imagewriter? Please send responses to dt@dhw68k.cts.com.
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From: kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: More Sys 6 trouble
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:22:49 GMT


A friend of mine and I had the same problem.  Do you have the Cdev which
changes the color or puts a picture on the desktop (The name escapes me right
now... )?  Removing that should solve the problem, you'll just have to
put up with Periwinkle Blue.  If you don't have it, then I have no idea. 
Sorry!

		Bill Kiszka
		kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu

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From: gt8310b@prism.gatech.EDU (David Farber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 & SCSI partitions
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:52:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr6.195816.5373@cco.caltech.edu> toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:
|I noticed this problem also, and reported it to Derek Taubert (he wrote GSCII).
>He has reproduced the problem and it's being investigated. Dave Lyons has been
|notified but hasn't responded yet. What's happening is that GSCII is making a
|WriteGS call for 12K -- but the HFS FST responds that only 512 bytes were
|written. We're not totally sure what is causing it (could be Orca, we haven't
|ruled that out yet), so just be careful about using GSCII with HFS volumes for
|now. I haven't noticed this problem with any other programs yet, so I suspect
|it is something that GSCII is doing -- notice that if you use GSCII and either
|the source or destination disks are non-HFS, you do not have any problems.

  No wonder.
  I have been using the HFS fst to transfer the stuff I get off of the
binaries between my UNIX account and my GS. The first time I did this,
_ALL_ of the files I unbinscii'ed were corrupted. I guess I should no
longer unbinscii to my Mac disk.

>Todd Whitesel
>toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu

----Dave

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From: djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: Re: ProDOS8 2.0.1
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 23:21:54 EDT

tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:

> 
>     I'll say... Disk Witch 2.2.3 says I'm running ProDOS 8 v4.6 now!  From
> your last statement, I assume that there is a new No-Slot Clock available
> for ProDOS 8 2.0.1?  Where can I pick it up (actually, I'm asking for
> a friend)?
> -- 
> Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
> Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
> University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."

Not that I am aware of they haven't.  And all indications are that they
won't.  So I'll just have to patch the NSC Utils that I do have <sigh>.

djredick@bluemoon.rn.com

 This is from
     djredick@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
From: MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Mystery House
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:02:28 GMT
Organization: The Internet

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:55:00 EDT <TENCE001@DUKEMC> said:
>        Remember Mystery House, the old text base mystery with rudimentary
>hi-res graphics? I think it was written in the late 70's.  Anyhow, my kids
>have gotten hooked on this game but do not know how to successfully arrive
>at the end.  Do any of you old apple freaks know how to get past Daisy in
>the tower (remember she has a knife)?

You have to SHOOT her :)  You've gotta get the gun first which is in the
study (the room with the desk and a picture on the wall and a chest on
the floor to the left. The gun is in the chest. To open the chest, you need to
get the key, which is in the dining room under the floor.  To get the key,
you must burn a hole in the carpet, but DON'T BURN THE HOUSE DOWN! :)
Godd luck!  Hint: look around in the kitchen BEFORE you burn a hole in
the carpet.  You've gotta put the fire out right after you start it.
If you're kids are still stumped after this, let me know.  I don't know if they
wanted a full freebie or just a hint.

>Gary M. Tencer
>tence001@dukemc.bitnet
>tence001@dukemc.mc.duke.edu

Startling Revelation folows:
PC stands for "Personal Computer" -NOT- just IBM and compatibles.
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From: ferret@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Brendan Hoar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: P8 2.0.1 vs. RamFAST...
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:31:06 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue Apr 07 92 at 19:42:15 (EST)

On the subject of what does it matter who does the remapping, the RF or P8:

I prefer the RF and for what many might think is an aesthetic reason - I get
to tell it where to put the drives - P8 simply follows a simple algorythm. 
With the RF I can put the second partition before the first (in fact I can
boot off of it if I wished).

I can put part two in s2, d2 and part 3 in slot 4, drive 1.  There may be a
reason I want to do that - P8 allows no such flexibility.

However, I wouldn't be happy if the ability were taken out of P8.

next post is taken from AO...

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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProDOS8 2.0.1
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:01:44 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <Z2oRiB5w164w@bluemoon.rn.com>, djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:
> 
> ahoney@actrix.gen.nz (Allan Honey) writes:
> 
> > 
> > Ok So how come ProDOS8 2.0.1 returns a major kversion of 2 and a minor 
> > kversion of 1?
> > 
> > Or have some bits in the ProDOS Global page been reallocated??
> > 
> > Enquiring minds need to know....
> > 

Uh, pardon me, but the KVERSION byte has never been defined anywhere as
major version and minor version.  It's just a byte.  They chose to
make it $21 this time because it felt better than $0B or something, but
it's just a byte that's changed when the kernel changes.

> 
> Apple likes to screw with P8 quite a bit.  Every new version that comes
> out is a bit different than the previous one.  That's why SMT has had to
> come out with a new NSC Utils disk every so often.
> 
> djredick@bluemoon.rn.com
> 
This is why we've always said (oh, for only eight years now) not to patch
ProDOS 8 directly, and to use a .SYSTEM program to install patches in
memory, not on disk.  Not that anyone seems to pay attention.

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From: $CSP606@SN01.SNCC.LSU.EDU ("John G. Mills")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple and II support
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

What about the SCSI.Tape driver? Has anyone tried this out? I couldn't get
this to work with my RamFAST (ver. C).
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: quicksound and file_mgr with sys6
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:35:22 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS 913-841-9446

In article <1992Apr3.200023.7792@colorado.edu>, hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf) writes:
> I know about the problems with the File Manager info module, and will 
> hopefully have a fix out shortly.  For the time being, make sure you have
> version 2.01 which fixes one bug with the Info module.

Wait a minute, I thought I was using 2.0.1 (it's the first version I ever saw).
What difference does it make to use a version which fixes a bug in the info
module if it doesn't work anyway? :)

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From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Remapping problems (I think)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:20:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <23CO02rXc8nK00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>Can you disable the ROM disk on the Rev C?  There's an "options" menu for the
>Rev D which allows you to make it go away.  Somebody else said that doing
>so solved a bunch of problems.

I disabled it, then managed to remove remappings (I think). Now,
however, there are two versions of another volume I have. Or lets be
more specific: first on the chain (ID = 6) I have a 105 MB TMS drive,
partitioned into 4 volumes (/GS, /GAMES, /MEAN18, /HD4). Second on the
chain (ID = 5) I have a 45 MB removable drive. Most of the time I have
in there a two-partition cartridge with the volumes /IBM.I and /IBM.II.
Now, when I do a "show all volumes" from ProSel, it shows that
Appledisk3.5A holds /IBM.I and the other one contains /IBM.II. 

WHAT IS GOING ON?

(Btw, if anything has to be done to the RamFAST ROMs, I'm out of luck. I
didn't remember to copy RAMFAST.SYSTEM out of the ROM before disabling
it. Yeah, yeah, I know.)

If I can't get this problem solved somehow, I'm going to have to go back
to 5.0.4. I won't tolerate losing access to my 3.5" disks.


>
>> I suppose this is due to the fact that RamFAST remaps slots?
>
>Probably.
>
>>  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 8
>
>-- 
>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
>[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]


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From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS Accelerators
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:17:40 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


You can buy a "bare bones" Zip GS accelorator mail order from jus bout
anyplace that sells apple stuff.... I got an AE Transwarp w/32 K cache, and
I am not really satisifed with it.... Glen bredon's Prosel 16 directly
supports the Zip and not the Transwarp.... but the Transwarp works
transparently with more programs.... I dunno, guess its a tradeoff....
wanna buy my Transwarp?

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From: billc@pro-applebcs.UUCP (Bill Carver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: synthLAB problem
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:35:59 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-applebcs]

jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jeff R. Allen) writes:
> In article <9762@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> jnomina@bgsu.edu (Aqualung) writes:
> 
> >I simply cannot get synthLAB to launch.  I launch it from the finder
> >and it loads a good ways, but then I get an off-gray (light) screen
> >                             (or SOME strange colour ^)
> 
> Same here, but I get alllll the way to a dialog box that says, "Memory
> is too fragmented to run synthLAB"
> 
> I have 1280K altogether and 175K free when I launch it. What's up?
> 
> --
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> Freshman, Harvey Mudd College   \     being drunk?
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> jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu    \     of water?

With 1 meg you cannot run system 6 and synthlab or many other programs unless
you have installed just the replacement files for 5.04.  This means no
sounds, no closeview, no easy access and the like.  Once you do an "easy
install" on your disk and use customize to install synthlab the problem will
be gone.  Hope this helps.  

IN the words of the great Apple, you should really have 2 meg and a hard
drive to really take advantage of what system 6 offers.


For my problem.....Does anyone know what's wrong with easy access.  I can't
get mine to do it.

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