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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: violet burning's strength: review
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.230259.5692@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Jul20.180256.8058@news.eng.convex.com>, Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com> writes:
|> > 
|> > Well, hopefully I won't be the only one posting a review about
|> > the violet burning's new disc (Strength).  I am as interested in other
|> > people's opinions about this as I am sure you are in hearing mine.  Well,
|> > obviously more than that ;-)
|> 
|> It is a great album.  The first that I heard was CHOSEN.  But this album is
|> just the best.  

What musical category does the violet burning fit into?  Can you
compare them to other christian or secular bands?

Thanks!
_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Def Leppard and Petra???
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:47:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>In article <1992Jul27.070035.6282@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
I remember someone pointing out that the CD jacket for Def Leppard's
_Hysteria_ album listed Petra in the special thanks.  Does anyone
know the story behind this?  (Sorry if this has been hashed out
before, but there are always new people who might be interested.)

I remember reading that in the credits of a friend's copy a year or two ago.
I'm fairly sure that 'Petra' is someone's name and does not refer to the
group.  I've heard of the name Petra before, although i don't know to whom
the credits are referring.  Hope this helps...

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: LONG
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:19:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.152837.18326@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>In the desert, Satan used Scripture to tempt Jesus.  Jesus said that what
>Satan was saying was WRONG. 

I don't believe this has very much to do with what I was saying.  Satan was
twisting God's words to his own ends.  We were discussing original artistic
work, I believe.

>We are not blank slates who are put here to
>soak in whatever is put before us.  Scripture tells me that if someone
>puts out a video that practially shows two women having intercourse, has
>simulated intercourse with men on stage, and publicly denounces Christianity,
>then I have every right to tell the person who says that kind of thing is
>ok that he is wrong.

SCRIPTURE says this? I had no idea Scripture was so specific about the
situations we deal with.  If you mean that Scripture gives you the guidelines
to use in situations like this, then I agree with you. 

>A song is not the singer?  Get real.  If someone else
>had brought Jesus' message, would it have been the same?  When we see the
>anit-Christ that Scripture tells us about , will the singer matter then?

I am not sure what you are saying here.  Jesus didn't come just to bring us
a message, but to be the living God who came down from heaven to be with
his people, and to die for us so that we might be reconciled to God.
How could anyone else have done this?  Your question doesn't make sense
to me.

>Remember, the anti-Christ will claim to be God, but he won't be.  You
>bet the singer of the song matters.  If someone is diametrically opposed
>to God's will, I'd better not accept their message or I'm in trouble.

No, you shouldn't accept their message, but you might listen to what they
have to say.  Then you can decide.  Many people who are not Christians
can have edifying things to say, believe it or not.

>>Could any of us really pass a test like that?  God uses some very
>>imperfect vessels to impart truths to the rest of us.  I'm not talking
>>about Madonna, Phil Collins, or anyone else specifically--and this
>>discussion doesn't have to be limited to pop music.  Why "listen to
>>music...as a springboard to evangelize"?  Can't one simply listen
>>to music?  Must one go digging into the lives of every artist to see
>>if she or he is living just the way we think she or he ought to live?
>
>Is this even the point?  I think that the lives of those who we let
>influence us DOES matter.

Well, I am not sure they do.  I repeat my point that the song is not
the singer and deserves to be met on its own terms.

  --Kim
-- 
kim@techbook.COM    Not affiliated with TECHbooks
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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: Amy Grant - Antichrist or not?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:15:49 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Jul30.140447.13364@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
>I don't mean to nitpick, but...
>
>>If you will note, it was GOD who made the loincloths for them to cover
>>their nakedness. 
>
>Genesis 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
>             were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings
>             for themselves." (NIV) 
>
>Anyone can say something which is Biblically Incorrect.
>Does this mean that Noel does not have a high view of Scriptural authority?
>
I have a VERY high view of Scriptural authority, Conrad.  You would have 
discovered this had you bothered to read a little further.  Genesis 3:21
says, "and the Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and 
clothed them."

Adam and Eve covered themselves up because they were ashamed.  God clothed
them because he knew it would be inappropriate to have public nakedness
once sin entered the world.

>If not, do not condemn another on similar grounds.

Hmm, didn't think I condemned anybody.  If I did, I'm sorry and I apologize.


--
Noel Estabrook		|	If you were indicted in court for being a
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	Christian, would there be enough evidence
Educational Technology  |	to convict you?
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Totally bizarre Network
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:02:10 GMT

In article <29JUL92.00101481@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu writes:
>Please don't send the topic police against me, but I can't just let a recent
>post stand without challenge.
>
>     BENNY HEN IS A CULTIST. His teachings are heresey. For example:
>
>     1. "Just as dogs have puppies, and cats have kittens, God has little gods.
>
>     2. He teaches that God is a man about 6' 2".
>
>     3. He teaches, citing a wiered translation of "dominion over" that
>        "Adam was the first Superman" in that if Adam has dominion over
>         birds that means that he must be able to do the same thing as
>         the birds.
>

Please provide citations.

Thanks,
John

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jimh@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Jim)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Grateful Dead? (no flames, please)
Reply-To: jimh@aplcen (Jim)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:58:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.225208.16168@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>
>Does anyone know why the Grateful Dead has a kind of tarnished
>reputation, or what is behind their name, or why they use skeletons as
>a logo?  I haven't really analyzed their lyrics. Neither had the
>people who commented on my sticker, they are mainly curious about
>their name.  I've never really noticed a connection of the symbolism
>to their lyrics.  They seem pretty harmless to me.  Am I being totally
>naive? Does anybody know more about them?
>

Tarnished reputation?  They are open supports of drug use
for the purpose of self inlightenment.  That is the biggest
item they are know for.  Specifically, LSD.  I have read
interviews with Jerry Garcia, the band's "leader".  He
definitly endourses the benefits of drugs.  He does not
advocate you to use them just because he does.

I have also listen to their music for hours on end
and have hung out with Dead Heads.  I have enven seen 
them twice in concert, if you call it a concert.  It
is better described as a big party.  I would say they
are into the new age movement.  That is something I 
don't think the band endourses, but then again new
age is hard to define in a dogmatic way.  Rather, I
say that in observation and particupation.  

Lyrically?  Well, they do quote scripture in thier songs
and even sing about Samson and Delilah.  But, Satan did
quote scripture to tempt Jesus.  On the flip side, one song goes,
"A friend of the devil is a friend of mine."  Another goes,
"I am going to hell in a bucket, but atleast I'm
enjoying the ride".  

Dead Heads?  Nice people!  I have walked around a 
Dead Head camp.  Dead Heads are know to pack up 
everything and tour with them for a week, months,
and years.  They have even made it to Egypt.  

To find our more "stuff" about them, I would suggest
finding a Dead Head book.  You can find them in
book stores like Waldens.  


jim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:17:45 GMT

In article <76736@ut-emx.uucp> jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell) writes:
>In article <64547@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>>By, Secular, I meant not a Christian. No, it's not that anybody really
>>said what they were, i.e. denominmation. I just meant that most of the
>>postings seemed to be on the conservative side, and I tend to think
>>that it's usually Baptists. So I'm wrong, I started this out of 
>>curiousity, not out of the desire to get flames. I get enough of
>>those already. :)
>>
>>Bill
>
>Since we're (sorta) on the subject of Baptists and conservativism, I thought
>I'd bring up an interesting fact.  According to survey results which I saw a
>year or two ago in The New York Times, Baptists have the second highest
>percentage of Democratic members of any major American Christian group.  The
>highest group (I think either Methodists or Presbyterians) was only a few
>percentage points higher than Baptists.  If I recall correctly, the number
>was something like 65%.
>
>I was strongly surprised.

Yeah, I just read an article about how Clinton is playing up his
"Baptist roots" (whatever that means) to get the Baptist vote. 
Apparently Baptists and Democrats are synonymous in some people's
minds. Also, since when did Baptists believe in speaking in 
tongues? (regarding another posting) The one I went to swore on
the Holy Bible that it is "Of The Devil". 

               --Stacey
From: smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Totally bizarre Network
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:10:14 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

Please don't send the topic police against me, but I can't just let a recent
post stand without challenge.

     BENNY HEN IS A CULTIST. His teachings are heresey. For example:

     1. "Just as dogs have puppies, and cats have kittens, God has little gods.

     2. He teaches that God is a man about 6' 2".

     3. He teaches, citing a wiered translation of "dominion over" that
        "Adam was the first Superman" in that if Adam has dominion over
         birds that means that he must be able to do the same thing as
         the birds.

     Benney Hen's teachings have been consistently been challenged by
 the Christian Research Institute, (who incedently will be shot by the Holy
 Spirit's machine gun,) which was founded by Dr. Walter Martin. I don't know
 if there book entitled "Christianity in Crisis" is out yet, but it will
 document the apostacies of Benny Hen and the rest of Word Faith Movement.

     I seriously hope that people stay away from him.


Note to the Lawyers: These opinions are mine, but the facts are verefied.

---
mark


smothers@nau.nauvax.ucc.edu
From: paiz@Ingres.COM (OUR HOPE IS DEEPER THAN THE PAIN WE OFTEN FEEL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: King's X discussion field!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:49:19 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Jul30.183504.14496@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)                      writes...
> 
>Got this in reply to my RFD retraction:
> 
>> Chuck...
>>
>> *Please* bring some discussion about King's X over to
>> alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive.  We just created the
>> newsgroup in lieu of music.queensryche so we could talk
>> about a whole mess of prog metal bands, including Kings X.
>> So bring it on over!  (And since I don't yet subscribe to
>> the newsletter, could you announce it there?)
>>
>> scott
> 
>You heard the man, guys!  Let's go!
> 
>Barry B, could you handle announcing the Silent Planet over there?  Looks  
>like you have an ocean of willing subscribers just around the corner...
> 
>clueless chuck
>PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu


according to my knowledge, not all sights recieve alt.*. If someone who doesn't
have this group wants to send a message to this news group, you can send it to
me via email and I'll post.

e-mail address is paiz@ingres.com

Note: if the messages become too many, I won't be able to do this.
From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Johnny Cash
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:38:24 GMT
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D

So, like is he a christian or something?

Dale schouten@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Warnke / I explain myself 
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:12:33 GMT

I think I need to explain, in the interest of stopping the high volume
of flames reaching my poor hapless machine, the context in which I
said, "maybe there's a good explanation or the satanists are trying
to discredit him". I was about 400 articles behind and catching up
when I ran across the first posting about warnke, saying something like,
gee, some magazine says he's a fraud... So I posted an equally speculative
response, of course not realizing the whirlwind of postings, articles,
rebuttals, etc. that would appear later. So I apologize to all of you who
were "embarrassed" on my behalf! I appreciate all of you who offered to
send me the article, but I have it now....  ;-) Hey, at least I know there
are a lot of concerned people out there in netland!

                --Stacey ;-)
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mark Heard - life update
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:22:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul25.165728.13741@pencom.com> meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV) writes:

(medical update deleted - thanks for the info, Miles)

>I have to agree with Michael on Mark's music.  he
>was alternative in some fashion as long as I've
>known him, and long before the term was commonly
>used as a musical category.  He's even alternative
>compared to the alternative groups.  He has always
>had integrity, both as a musician and as a Christian.
>he spent time in La Brie (sp?) with Francis Schaeffer,
>to better understand making art as a Chrsitian, and
>simply living as a Christian in the world today.
>
>Besides prayer, I'm sure the thing Mark would want
>is to know his music meant something to people,
>that it had a part in changing lives, in helping
>people cope in this life.

Oh man.  I go away for a couple of weeks and come back to this.
Ever feel like you've been punched in the stomach?  By a computer
terminal?

I don't know Mark Heard.  I've never met him.  But I feel like I know
him.  There aren't very many musicians out there who reach out to me
with that kind of an impact, but Mark Heard does.

Less than twenty-four hours ago I was driving home from vacation,
listening to "Dry Bones Dance" in the tape player, talking with my wife
about marriage and about some of the songs on that album.  It seems
to me that that's the first album I've heard, Christian or otherwise, 
that's nailed what marriage is really like, at least from my perspective -
full of the routine, the mundane, sporadic sorrow and pain, great hope, 
occasional joy, thanksgiving and frustration, seared by the mercy
of the flame, and held together by the strong hand of love hidden
in the shadows.  I love that album, and I hope my kids know it
backwards and forwards by the time they start to consider what it
means to be married.

My wife made the comment that Mark Heard was one of the few Christian
musicians who seemed real to her.  I couldn't agree more.  And now
the pain and the sorrow, those things that Mark Heard never backed
away from as too unspiritual, seem more real than ever.  I hate
this crap.  I hate the thought of that struggling, real, godly
couple being separated, and I hate the thought of a four-year-old
little girl being without a father.  I pray that it will not be.
Not yet.  

>As more news comes in, I'll post it.
>
>-Miles
>
>whose gonna go pray for a miracle!

Me too.  

"Time marches away like a lost platoon.
We gracefully age as we feel the weight
Of loving too late
And leaving too soon."
  -- Mark Heard, "Strong Hand of Love"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Pig Question (that's right...PIG!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:50:56 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I have a question about a One Bad Pig song, so all Pig fans listen.  

What does this mean:


                PAD THAI

Hmmmm.....

I really don't know, so if you do, please tell me!

Thanks in Him,
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

Xref: sparky rec.music.funky:1195 alt.rave:1965
From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Shut Up and Dance
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:14:52 GMT
	<1992Jul28.132736.13524@bilpin.co.uk>
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

>>>>> Regarding Re: Shut Up and Dance; Mark Allerton <mark@bilpin.co.uk> said:
Mark> Karty, karty@cs.washington.edu writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me about their album? I've read lots of vague hype
>about it but I've never heard it and would like some details!

Mark> Shut Up And Dance are a house/techno outfit - all very high BPM rates
Mark> and lots of samples. 

	Rubbish!!! Have you listened to one of their records (apart
	from "Raving I'm Raving") ? If you had, you'd know that they
	are primarily a Rap outfit. Most of their stuff doesn't have
	high a BPM rating at all, they just tend to crossover and blend
	a load of stuff from other ground ie Techno, Classical, Ragga,
	Dub Reggae etc.

	Wise Up!

	Mike
	****
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: batra@boulder.Colorado.EDU (sajeev batra)
Subject: mo' money soundtrak 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:07:13 GMT

anybody check out that mo' money soundtrak?  I just spent $11 bucks on
the CD, &  I really loved it.  talkin' bout soul 2 soul, Caron wheeler 
has a track in it.

i guess a lot of the tracks have been released in the past?

sajeev.
From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Soul II Soul RollerCoaster (Up/Down)
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:16:38 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University



I realize that this may be on a totally different thread from the rest of the
Soul II Soul discussions, but here goes...

When SIIS came out with Back to Life, I just KNEW they would be around for a 
lond time because they had THE sound!!  Later, after Caron Wheeler went solo
it seems like everything went downhill QUICKLY!!  
They constantly changed lead singers and I thought the sound was gone for good!

I saw their latest video the other day (can't think of the name) and it sounds
like they are trying get back on track...I HOPE!!

Any comment??  

	**Tundrea**

P.S.--What was the name of the sister with the BLONDE hair who sung lead after
      Caron left???  She was NOT the one!!
From: pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Jebsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Who know's this song ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:07:25 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


zrahd01@sunap1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Daniel Haenle):
>> Another question: Booyaa-Tribe's "New funky nation" is my favourite
album. Does anybody know something about a new album or a group with a
similar style ? <<

After Booyaa-Tribe were dropped by their previous label, they got signed by
Hollywood BASIC (as far as I remember). Their new album is out.

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:48:30 GMT

cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

>I just head on the evening news that Ice-T is removing "Cop Killer" from
>the Body Count LP because Time Warners board members are getting death
>threats from police officers.

To me the irony is that Ice-T to me has at times come across as a rapper who 
very much sold out to the mainstream.  Since about the time he worked on
the film Colors he's been a media darliing - quoted on tv talk shows and news
clips and being some guy with the gang perspective because he's been into all 
that and put it behind him. I figured his credibility with the gang youth of 
today is pretty blasted by his crossover and sudden popularity as an "expert"
on gang stuff. Maybe this release was a shot at getting back in with that
crowd. It's interesting to me to see him shift from the good guy who tells
us what the bad guys are doing to suddenly being a bad guy again overnight.
How soon the media forgets what it was exploiting just a few days before.  

Anyway, the double standards abound - Jon Carroll in an article in the SF 
Chronicle yesterday pointed to the numerous movies which have cops blown up
right and left, mentioning the Terminator as one, and how George Bush still
kissed up to Arnold Schwartzeneger (sp?) after that. It's not like this is the 
first song that ever talked about violence against police. But the fact that
it's coming from some young black guy who could be construed as a role model
is enough to make people react like it's the Black Panthers carrying around
unloaded guns again. Why didn't they try to kill NWA's anti-police song a 
few years ago? 

It seems likely to me that Ice-T now has a larger white audience than black
anyway, or that the black audience he does have isn't just gangsters and 
gangbangers anymore. I could be wrong, but I suspect most of the gangsters 
wrote him off as sold out and full of bullshit a long time ago. He probably 
has a bigger audience in the children of the white cops peeing themselves 
over this song and the fear and anger it creates in them. Boy, it's gonna 
be a long hot summer if this keeps up and even more so if Bush takes us back
to war and has to declare martial law to control the anti-war riots...

 - malcolm@wrs.com