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From: pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Thomas Pluck)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Real Final stuff that I forgot about PhilCon :)
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:55:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm not sure if Noel mentioned it, but Eric Schwartz showed a video of Amy the
Squirrel & co. called 'A Walk in The Park' which was hilarious, and better
animated than the average saturday morning cartoon...
Info on getting it when it is available can be got at:
	E.S. Productions
	P.O. Box 292684
	Kettering, OH 45429-0684

Oh, it was also fun watching Tor Amundson (Tugrik) carry people around like
rag dolls... Jim Groat got flipped and stood on his head right in the dealer's
room. Very entertaining. :)

Now I'll shut up about Philcon. 
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: RE: Philcon report (Saturday)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

TO: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu

UM>        Yep, I have the poster in one of my art folders--think I should scan
UM>and post it someplace?

That's optional. (It ain't that good.)

UM>        What I really wanted were those nice color flyers for the furry part
UM>they were almost as good as the cheetah one a couple years back.

Contact Jed Martinez about it. It was his work. He may have spares or
could make more.

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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: amy the squirrel
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.014152.7821@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>Paul Trauth (Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US) wrote:
>>
>>drop in on your nearest amiga-owning friend.
>>ask to see some "amy the squirrel" animations.
>>if he doesn't have any (or any of Eric's other nifty animations), force him
>>to take you to the next meeting of the local Amiga users group, where
>>someone's sure to have several of Eric's cartoons stuck on his HD.
>
>And while you're at it, you might want to check out an interesting
>"discussion" Eric has started in alt.sex/alt.sex.motss, under the
>title "Fear.  Lots of Fear."
>
Wrong "Eric Schwartz", d00d. That "Eric Schwartz" is in NY State, and has
net access. THE "Eric Schwartz" of scary Amiga prowess fame is at the
Columbus Institute of the Arts, and has _no_ net access.

FYI, y'know, FYI...


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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: It just doesn't get any better than this) Re: THE 3 DAY PHILCON REPORT OF IMPORTANT & FUNNY STUFF)  
Summary:  Tourmaline?
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:01:16 GMT

In article <Nov.16.18.13.57.1992.12733@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Thomas Pluck) writes:
>The Unauthorized PhilCon Furry Report
>brought to you by Tom Pluck who has nothing better to do
>
>	The furry party!  Except for the drawing on the door, with a skunk with
>a clothespin on his nose pleading "Please Bathe," I was told it was much like
>other furry parties. The room's less than subtle bouquet was not that bad, but
>then again I had a cold and I'm used to using Newark public bathrooms. It
>wasn't that bad, really. We had the A/C on full blast.:) 

<stuff deleted>

>Last but not least...
>Top 5 reasons FurryMuck is better than a furry party:
>5) No fanboys telling you "That position's called 'Riding St. John!'" when
>   ogling spooge art
>4) Steve Martin doesn't try to sell you his b/w photocopied catalogs for $5
>3) The handguns are only in people's descriptions, not being dryfired in a 
>   crowded room
>2) You only smell things when you type 'smell here'
>1) Two simple commands:  /gag and page #ignore
>
>Top 5 Reasons furry parties are better than FurryMuck
>5) No lag
>4) You rarely get hugged by drooling strangers
>3) You can't accidentally walk out in public naked for long
>2) ASCII art is not as good as a skunk sketch by Eric Schwartz
>1) There's no one whining 'I wish I could make it to the con....'

What could I say to top this?
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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Philcon report (Saturday)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:46:26 GMT

	I discovered plans made the night before never factor in how tired 
you really are, so both me and Pete Stoller sleep through the breakfast we 
planned.
	Early on I hit the Dealer's room, buy some gifts for my nephew and 
cruise the furry table real quick, the only one there I have not seen yet 
this con is Steven Martin, whom I have heard more than enough stories about 
that meeting him in person did not refute.  I find Speet again and we go 
looking for somone while most of hte other furries sit in on a panel about 
producing your own comic.  Since Vicky (Xanadu) Wyman could not make it this 
year--Jim Groat fills in for her.  Afterwards everyone decides to do lunch
	What happened is that everyone decided to go to a White Castle some 
distance away from the con, half in a caravan, half on their own.  I ride 
with Speet in his 1979 Chevy Blazer along with Dusty Rhodes--a rather nice 
guy and decent artist with the looks of a biker, made me a bit nervous around 
him.  We were part of the caravan that made it in
	When we first arrived, there were maybe 10 of us and 8 normal 
cusomters, but not much later we *filled* the White Castle with about 15 to 
20 of us, we were the only people in there and I have to give the employees 
there a lot of credit for putting up with us.  I think the funniest thing was 
Jim Groat and Rich Chandler keeping people out of Jimmy Chin's seat.  There 
were some photos taken there and we all headed out when we were done.
	On the ride home Jim Groat also came back in Speet's Blazer.  The 
ride back was fun becuase Dusty threw Ice cubes out the back window at 
another car in the caravan--scoring two direct hits.  In the hight of this 
fun we missed out exit and wound up driving through Philadelphia to get back 
to the con.
	Once back, me and Speet sat down to hash out some details on an 
upcoming Furrlough story, from the roughs it seems to look really nice.  Pete 
left for the furry party about 8 and I stayed in his room for another hour 
watching TV.
	The Saturday night furry party was interestng to say the least, on 
the door someone drew a skunk with a clothespin on his nose with a "No" 
sybol around him and the caption "Please Bathe First" (too bad it didn't 
work).  While at the party I met David Reiss (and got a sketch), Eric 
Schwartz (and got a sketch), Taral Wayne (sorry, no sketch from him) and Juan
Alfonso.  Juan was interesting becuase he looked a lot like my father, and he
told me interesting stories about growing up in Cuba while we walked between
hotels, and yes, I got a sketch from him too.
	Since there were so many art books being passed around (and now not 
even the high-qualty bound books but just the thick pads and binders.  I 
myself bought a tablet of 40 sheets of 2-ply Bristol board.  Not only can I 
pass out single sheets, but 4 will fit nicely in the 22 X 28 poster frames I 
have at home.  I would up with a few nice sketches that will be hanging in my 
bedroom by the end of the week.
	
NEXT (Saturday night, part 2)

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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World Setting
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:06:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.143336.8860@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>
>Anyway, just a bit of a brainstorm here, not very well organized, and I expect
>a lot of my half-formed ideas have major holes in them, eh?  Just wanted to see
>what folks thought...

  The book _Knight Moves_ features centaurs and a few other "engineered" 
races. The premise was that through automation and space travel, the Earth
had been pretty much depopulated of humanity, leaving a few hundred humans
on Earth. One created the critters in case humanity turned out to be an
evolutionary dead end. The Centaurs had a society based on Ancient Greece,
but I don't remember what the others' societies were like. They were all
fairly low tech societies.

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swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | and they will work to ENSLAVE all the nations
Disclamer: I lie      | of your planet. -Ricardo
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: amy the squirrel
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:43:52 GMT

Ray Rooney (ray.rooney@satalink.com) wrote:
>
>You'll find that to be another fellow - Eric A. Schwartz at
>Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. in Troy, NY. The Amy animator is Eric W.
>Schwartz in Ohio.

You mean there's _two_ of them?  :)  Actually, I'm somewhat relieved to
find this out.

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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: PHILCON
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu

TP>Please have a sense of humor. :) Oh, one last thing... A free copy of The
TP>Marion Fox Special by Scott Alston to the person who e-mails me with the
TP>name of the person this was my first impression of:
TP>        "No, really, take off the Groucho glasses"

Golly, WHO could that be?

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: Philcon report--summary data
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:41:49 GMT

	It was nice to see how large the fully party has grown--I remember the 
first one where it barely filled a room and me coming from the Washington DC 
areamade me the one who travelled the most.  Now there is talk ot giving us 
function space (or one of the board rooms).  Also, people now came from Maine, 
Florida, Michigan, Canada, California, Ohio, and Arizona (noe all we need is 
somone from the Seattle area).
	Both nights at the furry party Ray Rooney shwoed .gifs on his comptuer 
he had acquired from all over the place.  QUite a few are on Tezuka and others 
really should be.  I recall hearing somone saying "That wasn't supposed to be 
scanned!".  Also at the con was some work promoting Digital Dreamworks, a 
high-tech art studio.
	Joke of the con:  The idea that Steven Martin is really a Ferengi
	Best Moment:  The replaying of silly-stringing tape and subsequent
                      hamming up for camera
        Best video:   Amy the Squirrell
        Biggest surprise:  Eric Schwartz's windfall from the art show
        Biggest disappointment:  mail-in stuff for art show being late

FurryMuckers in attendence (by main character)

Drew, Tugrik, Jareth, Anthony, Alyt, Bunnell, Toast, Zoe, Monica, Serval, 
Ken_Cougar, Rich_Chandler, Hatch, Spason, Roxiana, John_Cooner, Frang, Dusty, 
Airhead, and Blaze


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From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Subject: Re: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World Setting
Originator: jmkaraka@c00084-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:01:41 GMT


	And don't forget about the excellent novels by
Corwainer Smith!  (A truly great writer.  He died before
he could fully explore the universe he made, though :(  )
Without giving any of the plotlines away, the human race
had grown so uniform and complacent that the government
has instituted all sorts of 'odd' rules to breathe life
back into mankind.  I think the creation of anthropomorphs
was part of this plan.

	-john-
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: NHS ripoff/Lemur poem/Furrlough RPG
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:17:48 GMT

Matthew High (ag541@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote:
>
>LFIH - I've said all I wanted to say.  If you don't believe me,
>  then that's your problem.

I'll believe you, but only when you actually stop talking about it...

>NHS - What are you talking about, Tim?  You're obviously receiving
>  articles about NHS on this newsgroup that never arrived at any of
>  the three systems I'm on that get a.f.furry.  I've never considered
>  NHS to be on-topic here...

I sumbit the following:

:References: <1dqr0aINN8uo@gap.caltech.edu>
:Todd P. Whitesel (toddpw@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
:
:Not to start a flame war, but "ripping off" is not what Ben Dunn was doing. NHS
:began as a parody, but quickly developed an ongoing storyline unique to itself.

I believe that was the first reference to "Ninja High School" in this group.
If you didn't see it, then there's a problem with either the newsreader,
or the reader of the news...  1/2 :)   My only comment was that I thought 
Mr. Dunn was ripping off Rumiko Takahashi.  It was others who assumed I was
talking about NHS, which makes me think my comments were fairly close to the
mark...

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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Philcon Report (sunday)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:17:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County


	Sunday was another sleeping in day, me and Tom gather ed our thing 
sand loaded our respective cars and checed out, it was about $225 for the 
room and I wound up paying a lot of that since the other people did not end up 
sharing the room for me.  Next year I am barrwoing a vehicle I can sleep in
	I could not find Speet so me and Tom hooked up with a bunch of 
furrymuckers going to breakfast at IHOP.  It was interesting trying to find 
room for 12 people in a crowded resteraunt, waiting for seats was more fun 
than eating; the table conversation was largely about the various characters 
we played on FurryMuck and how they interacted.
	Back at the con I sat out in the main hallway talking with Speet and 
watching him draw, I also returned some sketches he loaned me.  Soon a 
cluster or artists were there filling in sketchbooks.
	The highlight of the con was when I look up and see Jim Groat and a 
couple others run out of the dealers room and then COVER Steven Martin with 
silly string!  It was incredible!  Thanks to Joe Strike of New York for 
capturting the thing on videotape, I'm sure people will be talking about for 
some time to come, and that the tape will make the rounds.
	WHen things got back to normal, I heard Tor/Tugrik hyping Cedar Con 
and the majority of us decided we may try to make it.  This was interrputed 
with Jimmy Chin coming out of the art show looking totally stunned.  A single 
figure color sketch from Eric Schwratz went for TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS!  Eric 
was pleased becuase this also boosted sales of the print of the same peice, a 
bargain at a dollar for B&W and less than 10 for laser-printed color.
	As the con broke up most of us watched the silly-stringing of Steven 
Martin and then hammed it up for the video camera again.  Normally camera-shy 
Jim Gorat had lots of fun playing with the camcorder and taping suck things 
as 12 of us doing a kick-dance and Speet tearing up a Martin catalog a la 
Sinead O'Conner.  They all broke up to load their cars and have dinner and 
that is the last I saw of anyone.
	When I tried to go home I discovered my battery had died.  Tom Pluck 
was nice enough to attempt a jump-start, and even went so far as to remove 
the battery from his car to put in mine to start it.  Without him I would  
havee been stranded in Philadelphia until this morning when I could get a 
battery from someplace.
		Well, that is my con report, hope to hear some others to fill 
in the gaps
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World Setting
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:41:00 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov22.114636.4544@netcom.com>, foxen@netcom.com (Foxen) writes:
> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>>
>>What's a "Tyrell" corporation?  (Is this a reference to some sf or fantasy book
>>that I haven't read but just about everybody else has?)
> 
> The Tyrell Corporation is a corporation in the movie "Blade Runner" (based on
> Phillip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep").  They are the
> creators of the "Replicants", or what amount to organic androids.  The

Thanks for the info. =)  Yes, I've seen the movie some time ago, but the name
didn't stick in my mind.  I was somewhat confused by the movie, though, as to
*how* replicants were created.  I sort of got the impression that they were
assembled Frankenstein-monster-like, with all the body parts being constructed
(grown?) separately.

That brings me into something else about synthetics, furries, etc., that has
often been brought up in the email responses to my postings (or touched on):
How would synthetics be *made*?  Could they reproduce?  Are they all "grown",
and, if so, do they go through a normal childhood stage, or do they just pop
out fully-grown mature adults?

For my personal preference (set in this hypothetical world-setting I was
bouncing around an idea for) I would think that the critters would be grown in
an artificial womb, but upon birth, they're raised from childhood on up.  I
find it kind of hard to understand the concept of somehow magically being able
to produce genetically engineered creatures who automatically have the full
experience of what would take a human years to go through.  At least, I doubt
I'd have that sort of tech capability in a setting I'd write.  (Maybe if your
world is one of those cybertech societies where you can get skill chips to plug
into your brain and such, it wouldn't be too far off.)

As for reproduction, I'd probably assume these synthetics (again for my
setting) would be sterile.  Why?  Well...

  a) IMHO, it'd probably be hard enough to construct a genetically-engineered
     creature with really strict guidelines.  Making it *also* able to
     reproduce itself would be even *more* difficult.  From what little
     knowledge I have of genetics (and it's *little*) I gather that significantly
     splicing genes is likely to produce something that can't replicate its
     own pattern.
  b) If a synthie leaves your corporation, at least it won't be starting a
     family elsewhere.  If you've got a really good "design", you would
     still have the control over "production" of that "line" of synthie.
  c) Your corporation doesn't have to pay for maternity leave.  Solved *that*
     problem, huh?  (Well, maybe not. Somebody still has to care for the
     littl'uns...)

-- 
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                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 23 Nov 92  11:05:00

In message <Nov.20.14.56.30.1992.24166@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Thomas Pluck) writes:

 > In my stories that have both humans and Recom furries on our
 > planet, and not as a fantasy piece, they furries are usually
 > bioengineered by the military to fight alongside or in place
 > of humans.  The reasons for this are:

    <several good reasons deleted>

 > I can't see furries being made by a sort of Tyrell corporation
 > unless they serve a purpose business or the government would be
 > able to use or profit from.  Oh, and by the way, this idea is
 > being used in a story already. My two cents, Tom

Sounds pretty much like my thinking. Are you going to be at
ConFURence in January by any chance. The ConCom is finalising the
schedule of programing right now, but it looks like there will be
two panels that it sounds like you'd have some valuable input
for. The first is a "World Building" panel that focusses on the
background and the second is a "Character Building" one that
focuses on the individual.
__                 __
\/  Darren Hanson  \/

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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World Setting
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:13:06 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <Nov.20.14.56.30.1992.24166@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, pluck@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Thomas Pluck) writes:
> 		   as grunt type killing machines; skunks as antiterrorist,
> 		   using their spray to incapacitate, etc. 

Oh, yuck.  =P
(Not likely in *my* stories, nopenope.  =)  )

> 	I can't see furries being made by a sort of Tyrell corporation unless

What's a "Tyrell" corporation?  (Is this a reference to some sf or fantasy book
that I haven't read but just about everybody else has?)
-- 
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                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Assorted Thoughts on a "Furry" World Setting
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:56:41 GMT
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jmkaraka@c00161-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


>> Cordwainer Smith!  (A truly great writer.  He died before
|>
|>This is the second time I've heard this name pop up in so short of a time.  (R.
|>Luoma has been referring to Cordwainer Smith's writings in our email discussions
|>on this topic -- I can't understand half of the stuff Mr. Luoma sends my way,
|>but the other half is usually quite intriguing.  =)  )  I'd just be curious to
|>hear some general information about this author and his stories. 
|>Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever actually *read* his books,
|>as my current stack of to-read books (as Mr. Luoma again surmised =) ) is so
|>large that it's not likely I could get to any additional books in my lifetime.  =,
|>-- 
|>-Jordan       

	Pity.  He is one the 'must-read' authors if you are planning an
anthropomorphic universe.  Along with Brin and the 'Uplift' series.
All my fiction is in storage, but I'll dig out a copy this Thanksgiving
and see what solid data I can give you.  Send me e-mail as a reminder
around Sat.

	-john-

	
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