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From: RMOREY%utrc@utc.com (Randall Morey)
Subject: Barbie's Measurements
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:51:00 GMT

Several weeks ago, someone asked about an article that gave Barbie's
measurements in proportion to an adult woman. Since I didn't have the article,
I decided to just measure my kids' doll and post the results in spreadsheet
form, to whom it may concern. Well, I've just gotten around to doing it. So for
all you statisticians out there, here it is. 

    Barbie's Measurements

             Ht (ft)     Ht (in)  Bust (in) Waist (in)  Hips (in)
    Barbie   1' 0"         12.00       5.75       3.13       5.00

    English  5' 0"         60.00      28.75      15.63      25.00
             5' 2"         62.00      29.71      16.15      25.83
             5' 4"         64.00      30.67      16.67      26.67
             5' 6"         66.00      31.63      17.19      27.50
             5' 8"         68.00      32.58      17.71      28.33
             5' 10"        70.00      33.54      18.23      29.17
             6' 0"         72.00      34.50      18.75      30.00

                         Ht (cm)  Bust (cm) Waist (cm)  Hips (cm)
    Metric                150.00      71.88      39.06      62.50
                          155.00      74.27      40.36      64.58
                          160.00      76.67      41.67      66.67
                          165.00      79.06      42.97      68.75
                          170.00      81.46      44.27      70.83
                          175.00      83.85      45.57      72.92
                          180.00      86.25      46.88      75.00
                          185.00      88.65      48.18      77.08

Standard disclaimer, plus not responsible for errors or typos.
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they say
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:09:57 GMT
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In article <1992Nov5.054755.4193@telebit.com>, brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov4.183525.11300@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> kellum@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Ken Kellum) writes:
|> >
|> >her.  Rachel reached up for the little square piece of cloth which
|> >keeps ones hair grease off the chair (I have no idea what one calls
|> >this) and put in over her little sister's head.  Just as I was about
|> >
|> Antimascar.

No, that's what you use to keep the eye makeup off. The hair grease 
intercepters are antimacassars.

:-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Child Security and Childcare (was Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:28:55 GMT
Organization: These are my opinions.

In article <1dm90bINNhdk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen) writes:
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>From: ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen)
>Newsgroups: misc.kids
>Subject: Re: Child Security and Childcare (was Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
>Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:00:43 GMT
>Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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>
>I'm sorry I don't know to get this system to include text, so:
>   
>Mark Wuest wrote about a child at his church's childcare who was
>very upset about being left with a room full of strangers while
>his aunt and/or parents attended church services.  He felt that
>because of the child's strong reaction (screaming, crying) to 
>being left, there might be something wrong with his homelife.
>   
>Strong attachment to parents is a *good* thing.  Preferring to
>be with parents rather than people a child doesn't know is
>normal.  I'd be more concerned about a small child who has no
>qualms about being left in childcare for the first few times,
>than about child who is obviously bonded with his parents.  For
>the church to not allow parents in the childcare room at all means
>they care more for their own convenience than for what's good for
>parents and children.  Why don't they want parents in there?  Is
>something going on that they don't want parents to see?
>     
>Andi  (Mom to Aaron, Alexander, and triplets due 3/3/93)
>   
I would also ask why the children, of all ages, are not in the church
service with their parents.  Jesus Christ said specifically "let them
come to me" when the disciples tried to keep the children from bothering
Him.  Even in our churches, we don't want to be bothered by children which
is a sad commentary on society and churches (my local church is guilt of
this also).

David L. Hanson
"Jesus saith unto Him, I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life: NO MAN
cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME"
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Any opinions expressed are my own!
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: After the Stork sizes
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:00:06 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <199211131425.AA03595@tuna.wang.com> AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
>This is interesting.  Someone wrote their child was about 3'+ and 30 lbs and
>wears a size 4.  Alex is 38" and 29 1/2 lbs, sort of tall and very thin, and
>I'm buying him a 6!! in all thermal underwear.  He wears a 4 slim in
>everything else.  The 5s still fit, but barely (the 4s don't).  This is for
>both After the Stork and Sara's Prints.

I believe that was Laura Floom's son.  Rachel is about the same
dimensions and her size 3T ATS long johns are too little.  However,
her size 4T Sara's Prints are on the long side.  I can believe that
your son is wearing a size 6. Rachel's 3T's would fit her if she
weren't that tall.  The chest is a little snug, but not too small; the
cuffs, however, are about 3/4 length.

>In Hanna's he's size 100, although I
>would still go a size up in thermals for longeavity.

Ah, the reason why I love Hanna's.  They fit who they say they will
and they aren't outgrown quickly.  Rachel is in a size 90 now and
almost into a size 100, but she has size 80's that she can still wear.
I bought her size 70's when she was 4 months old and she wore them for
over a year.

>BTW, last year I bought a cute outfit from gymboree which never fit right -
>always too long in the top, too short in the legs, and the straps fell down.
>This week I saw the same overalls on a plump toddler, and saw how it was
>supposed to look!  Oh well, go figure.

Yep, one-piece outfits never fit Rachel too well either, but for the
opposite reason.  If they were long enough for her body, they were too
long in the legs.

Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:01:21 -0500 
From: Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??
	<6NOV199212161032@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>

In response in lots of stories about kids "not matching" their parents--

Just this past Saturday I was at the mall with the kids having lunch at
one of those food courts.  Vince, 7 and Toni, 17 months were having a
grand time and being so cute together--- naturally they attracted quite
a bit of attention.  Anyway this older couple sitting near us kept
looking at them and talking to each other---obviously delighted with my
kids. The man finallay came over and began asking questions about the
kids (he said they have grandkids in another state and they miss them
terribly) and commenting on how much he and his wife enjoyed watching
them. At the end of his conversation he said "My wife and I were saying
that these kids must have very Italian-looking father---cause they
certainly do not look a bit like their Irish-looking mother!"  I guess I
looked a little suprised or something so he tried to explain himself a
little "we were commenting on how olive skinned they are and how fair
you are--your husband must be 100% Italian--I'm suprised he married
you!" (he was obviously trying to refer to the fact that "Italians stick
together")  The man was so pleasant that is was hard to be angry with
him so I just said "well, I guess my 100% Italian mom got the same
comments about me being her daughter!". (I am 1/2 Italian and 1/2 Irish,
if it matters)  We laughed.  After he walked away, the woman next to me
(who was listening, I guess) said "your kids do not look one bit
Italian! He doesn't know what an Italian looks like! "  The woman next
to me was Black---we ended up talking a while and she said that her mom
(also Black) was 1/2 Italian.  I found the  story amusing because it
seemed like this woman was saying "I AM WHAT ITALIAN LOOKS LIKE AND YOUR
KIDS DO NOT LOOK LIKE ME" (tongue in cheek, of course!)  I end up
meeting more people by way of my kids.........Judi
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny Things Parents Say
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:00:42 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

|> >In article <1992Nov10.014409.2553@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Yes, this makes you say strange things like "no you can't help
|> >>clean up that mess." But then I say stuff like "settle down
|> >>or you won't be sleeping on the floor tonight" or "don't worry
|> >>I promise we won't do the dishes while you're sleeping" so often
|> >>I only rarely notice how weird they sound.

I have noticed I've been saying some weird things lately too.

Every time I go to the grocery store with my kids I have to say
"Don't eat the shopping cart," usually several times.

My 3 1/2-year-old had his first dental appointment the other day, and
he was really excited about it.  I found myself saying "Hurry up and eat 
your breakfast or you won't get to go to the dentist!"

Now I understand the name of that old movie (book?  TV show?), "Please
Don't Eat the Daisies"!

Judy Drake
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: More Odd Sayings
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:39:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The other day I was talking to my sister, when she was home with her
1-year-old. In mid-sentence she calmly said, "Honey, we don't use
the can opener on the cat's nose."

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Child Care
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:26:26 GMT

masmith@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Margaret Smith) writes:


>What do you think is a reasonable amount to pay for child care?  My child will be seven months old, the sitter is babysitting at her home which is a registered day care.  I must supply the food and diapers.  Also, at which point does one f
>feel the baby moving?  I am 16 weeks pregnant!

Congratulations on being 16-weeks pregnant!  Uh, for the sake
of indulging me, how can you have a seven month old and not
know at what point an expectant mother can feel the baby
move?

Concerning child-care, a lot depends on where you live (part of the
country you're in).  We live in Oregon and don't pay a lot of 
money for a babysitter, yet we know people in the Boston area
who pay 4x what we pay.  Check on the cost of childcare at
licensed centers in your area and check on costs at daycare
centers which are unlicensed but still advertised in the paper, etc.

Concerning feeling the baby, my wife says at about 5 months
(20 weeks) you should be feeling something akin to gas bubbles
in your tummy.

allen
-- 
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  Allen Warren 
  TSSI -- Beaverton, OR 
  Disclaimer:  My ramblings are NOT those of TSSI          
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:03:02 GMT
Subject: Re: critical relatives
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids


In article <1992Nov9.234640.17487@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:

>I've posted messages here about disregarding meddling parents, and I
>think the reason I've taken such a strong stand is that what I've been
>hearing is that the reasonable advice is coming wrapped up in hostile,
>blaming, or downputting wrappings.  
>
>For those who are having "parental advice problems", is the problem what
>I'm describing above?  If so, has anyone found a way to change things so
>that relatives can provide input while not presenting it in an 
>objectionable way?

I think there is another aspect that often exists with parents/relatives
and often is absent with friends: the expectation on the part of the advise-
giver that you will FOLLOW their advise.  They assume that their understanding
is perfect and so cannot understand why you don't follow their advise.  They
digest the problem and decide on a SOLUTION which they present to you.  They
are directing your actions, a form of "you-messages", instead of supplying
information that YOU can decide what to do with, possibly "I-messages" about
their experiences.  Often this is unconscious, since they are not aware of
their hubris.

I did not have this problem with my parents (for which I thank them) but with
my husband.  He would notice a problem, figure out HIS ideal solution, and
then tell me the solution.  He then expected me to follow through with the
solution.  Unfortunately, often HIS solution did not work for ME.

I remember when we were having sleep problems with our daughter.  He decided
that something needed doing, figured out a solution (based on Ferber), and
then told me how things would go.  This was dumped on me in the evening,
shortly before bedtime and I was expected to follow through.  Needless to say,
I didn't.  I insisted on time to think about it, read Ferber for myself, and
consider what our untilate goals should be.  I then agreed that there was a
problem but insisted on devising my own variation of the solution, one that
worked better for me.

So for me it was not so much hostility, blaming, and downputting as it was
arrogance and lack of a feeling of equality between the adults.  There was
an assumption that he's ideas were "right" and that no variation could be
as good.  Also there was the expectation that *I* was responsible for
solving HIS problem.

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Examples for discussion (was Re: Plain
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:32:15 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

In article 1dmqetINN17d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>     Regarding getting the 4YO to flush the toilet, didn't someone post
>here a while (perhaps even a year?) back about how they would put 4
>quarters on the back of the toilet.  Then, each time the toilet wasn't
>flushed, the parents would take a quarter away.  At the end of the week,
>the child got to keep however many were left.  To whomever posted it,
>did this work?  It sounds like this is the type of thing positive, not
>negative, reinforcement is good for.
>-- 

Yes it did work (I reposted it in response to this thread a few days ago).
I won't swear to it for everyone, and you can change the reward to
stickers if using money doesn't appeal to you, but I do think it should
be tried if the problem is persistent and annoying.  (BTW, my son was
never really into stickers so I had to use a reward that meant something
and quarters meant he could get little toys from those supermarket vending
machines they have for kids).

Anyway, give it a try if you need something to try!

Good luck!

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Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: High-chair reco wanted
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:37:13 GMT

In article <1doo27INNul@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>In article <DURRIYA.92Nov9163917@doctor.osf.org> durriya@doctor.osf.org (Durriya Netterwala) writes:
>>        I would like recommendations for high chairs. My daughter is about
>>4 months old and very recently started solids. Are there any features that 
>>are 'must-haves' for high chairs? Also, is it worthwhile to spend $100+ on 
>>fancy chairs like the Perego or the one in the Right Start Catalog or do 
>>folks find that an inexpensive one works fine too. Any brand preferences?
>
>I think the Fisher-Price high chair is excellent. It has a big tray
>that's easy to remove, and it slopes away from the baby so that it's
>harder for him to reach messy spills. The whole thing folds flat so
>you can put it in the back of the car when you go visiting.

I second this! We have the wooden model, which doesnt fold, but it is very
sturdy. Jeffrey (2.6 years) still uses it, but without the tray. You can
remver the brackets that keep the tray on the highchair, and it is just
a tall wooden chair that is very stabile. Jeffrey can climb in and out of it
by himself, and it wont tip over.

Another thing I liked about it (both the collapsable and the wooden one) is
that the seat is quite ample. Jeffrey was a big baby, and I remember using
other peoples higchairs when we went visiting, and he just didnt have as 
much room. One good wiggle and he was slipping out.
>
Laura Floom
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Date: 7 Nov 1992 18:27:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <MMEYER.92Nov6164444@m2.dseg.ti.com> mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:
>In article <1dbvf3INN9vo@mizar.usc.edu> biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
>> We've decided it's obviously a defiance thing and not a toilet training
>> thing and we've begun to exercise punishment in the same way we do for
>> ... anything ... she knows not to do. Will it work? We'll see.
>
>	What, pray tell, is this punishment?  Let me say that, given
>the controversial nature of this topic, I'm not trying to bait you.
>Speaking as a future parent (though not for AT LEAST another 9 months)
>I would like to know what other parents do.  Though I myself was
>spanked a few times, I want to minimize or eliminate spanking my child
>as much as possible.  My wife has less of a problem with spanking as
>punishment. 
>	
(stuff deleted)

If Angelica acts in defiance (refuses to do something she's told, does
something she knows she's not supposed to do) first I clarify with her
what the problem is -- Ask her why she did xxxxx and if she was supposed to
do xxxx. If she has a good reason, that's it. For example one day her dad
yelled at her for something and she wet her pants. She told me she wet her
pants because daddy hurt her ears. Unfortunately, I have no control over her
dad, but I can understand her feelings. No punishment. Often, though, the
reason for doing whatever it is will be "Because I want to" or she won't even
respond. Then she gets a choice between a smack (a quick swat, it doesn't
hurt her physically but it does hurt her feelings, followed by a hug and
an explanantion of what she did wrong) or a tantrum-room (a 5 minute sit in
a particular chair in the living room). She'll usually choose the tantrum-
room. 

I'm in a particularly awkward position because while Angelica's dad
lives with us, he and I don't have a particularly good relationship with
each other and he refuses to discuss discipline, he just goes on his 
instincts. I think that his instincts are usually good but he does fly off the
handle sometimes. She spends far more time with him than me, so I try to be
fairly consistent with what he does (vis a vis levels of punishment and what
the punishment is for) unless there is something I completely disagree with.

If there is anyone in a similar situation (where the other parent doesn't
care to discuss parenting and sometimes you have to choose between being
consistent and what seems right), I'd welcome e-mail about your solutions,
it's a sticky topic. On my own, I probably would not use the "smack" as
often as I've ended up using it, but having two completely different
scales of discipline in one household didn't seem to work at all, she used
to run completely wild with me.

Susan
From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diapers and the Environment
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:29:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

>Please also consider that the washing machine may be using water in a
>locale where water is in short supply (e.g. California), while the 
>diaper factory is using water in a region where it is plentiful.

If you do this, be sure to make an informed decision.  I live in
Southern California where water is quite short, but the diaper service
I used only consumed about 5 gallons of water per day per baby (about
equivalent to one toilet flush).  To its credit, this same service uses 
natural gas trucks to deliver its diapers, thereby keeping emissions
from deliveries down.

Somebody mentioned considering affects of sewage created by washing
diapers - in most cases, these affects would be minimal.  Sewage
systems are designed to handle, er, excrement - that's their job.
The Clean Water Act of 1977 required secondary (ie biological)  
treatment at all municipal sewage plants, so in all but a few
locations the water from laundering diapers will receive biological
treatment.  Biological treatment breaks down most of the detergents
in the laundry soap before the treated water reaches rivers or
streams or whatever.  The big thing to watch out for is phosphates-
these generally aren't broken down well in treatment plants, and can
pass through to rivers and lakes and cause algae problems.  If the 
wastewater goes to an ocean, however, phosphates are generally not a 
problem.  In either case, if you don't like phosphates you can buy
phosphate-free detergent.  A certain amount of sludge is generated
during seweage treatment, where sludge is basically the solids removed
from the water, along with waste biological material.  This sludge
is generally landfilled, although it can be used as a fertilizer material.

ann

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