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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Laswell, Akvarium, Keyboard Man
              Gelinas" at Dec 30, 92 2:55 pm

Bill Laswell is coming to Columbus in May and I ALREADY have tickets.  Will of
course do my usual goo-goo report.

Russ, thanks for the caution.  I'm sure there are multiple keyboard men named
Misha.  This Misha is only 20 years old, living with his parents and little
brother Edik (whom I'm going to send my old Telecaster to and a small practice
amp-- Edik spent some years in the conservatory in Russia learning violin but
wants to play guitar).  Misha did some wonderful Chicago blues/jazz style
improvizing on Russian folk songs (that was my mother's influence--she pulled
out her 1936 edition and leaped to the top of the piano... well, sort of).
Misha kept apologizing because he says he can't do the stuff he REALLY likes on
a baby grand, but I thought he was great anyway.

Akvarium: Ilia, this is an INCREDIBLY fun and talented band!  (For all the rest
of you bozos, "akvarium" is the Russian word for "aquarium" [right, Ilia?  or
is there some slang meaning I don't get?] and also the name of a Russian band
that I hope Ilia will say some more about.  The tape I listened to last night
was a live recording... REALLY intriguing and enjoyable to listen to.

The first song, "We won't get old," is my favorite... A solid, deep bass line
holding up an unhurried spacious psychedelic jam, brooding, ominous, tender,
with a
fluid ghostly rusty-edge guitar, all of it kind of reminiscent of the Doors,
still fresh, full of feeling.  This guitar playing is in fact as close as I've
ever heard to the way I myself would like to play.... getting lots of mileage
out of weird bends, unhurried, exploratory.  The lead singer has a wonderful
voice, and also there were just enough vocals, leaving lots of room for
long instrumental lines.  One of my pet peeves is bands with singers who hog
the territory.  Oh, and there was some tremendous wah-wah.

This concert was a kind of commentary on various styles of music... after the
psychedelic number came some raunchy blues, then surf, then a Beatles-esque
number with cello, then a fantastic Russian Gypsy number that had me swooning
in my tea bags and dripping my fringes all over the samovar, then some
rockabilly-edge rock and roll, and another favorite of mine called "Tramvai"
[bus, I guess, to be prosaic].  This one had some fast-moving string bass work
(it sounded like string bass to me, at least) and was generally fascinating and
hard to describe... Ilia, tell us MORE about this band.  And folks, I have TWO
more Ilia tapes to listen to (another of Akvarium and one of "Cool Stuff from
Ilia") so stand by.  Ilia, SPASIBO, moi drug!


Sonia
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: The deluge part 3

Sonia sez:

>Isn't it great to say goodbye tearfully to the net and then post again two
>minutes later?  OK, this is for real,,,,,,,,,,,,BYE

Oh, hell, and I didn't get to put MY ps on that belonged in another
post.  Forget what I said about best album cover.  It's Rod
Stewart's _Play It Again, Rod_, the LP version.  The album is
shaped like a glass of whiskey.  My hero!

Stan, Vol 2, is on its way.  Now how's about your micfright record?
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:52:29 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: candidate for something Bloom hasn't heard

Dear Jeff,
  I heard some of Oum Kaltsoum's stuff a few years ago, and it absolutely
knocked my socks off; she was singing in French, if memory serves. Any
title recommendations? Thanks!
Michael
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Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 15:06:13 CST
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Subject: Re: Laswell

In article <921230145534.2d2026c7@UNHH.UNH.EDU>, Russ Gelinas
<R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU> says:
>
>  So who is Bill Laswell?  He produced the last 2 CD's I bought -
>Transmutation by Praxis and Ask The Ages by Sonny Sharrock.  Beer,
>wanna take this one?

Too late,Jeff. My turn.  >:)

Bill Laswell is the producer/electric bass wiz who was/is behind several
avant-Jazz/"mutant" fusion projects such as Material,Massacre,Last Exit and
a few others that I can't recall right now. As you said,he produces a helluva
lot of stuff,not all of it in the vein of music he usually plays in (three
examples I can name off the bat are the Ramones' BRAIN DRAIN, Motorhead's
ORGASMATRON and one of Mick Jagger's solo LPs [MEDIUM COOL? ]). He has a
fairly important role vis-a-vis Axiom's catalogue (he's produced most,
if not all of their releases) and is (at least IMHO) an unbelievable bassist
as well-check out Last Exit's IRON PATH,as well as other stuff he played
on,for evidence of _that_ fact.

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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:09:29 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: DAVEY

 From:          DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
 Subject:       RE: DAVEY

> WELLLLLL.... nice to hear that someone else KNOWS Davey... in point of
> fact, I have a FINE tape (if yer' interested, Dave), of him, his (maybe
> former) wife & a mighty strange sax player named Wally Shoup, circa '82,
> playing 'fake jazz' (i.e., zzaj) in a Birmingham joint called 'The
> Cavern'!  MUCH fun!
>
> ZZAJ

    Yeah, okay.  Whaddaya need?  I doubt I've got anything of value
for trade.  Send me a snail mail address.

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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:07:51 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      new year's revolutions

Just thought i'd share with y'all
one of my resolutions for this, the year
nineteenhundredandninetythree.

I will buy one new cd every week.
To remind me that music is constantly
evolving. and i don't want to be the
person i make fun of, who listens
only to music they are familiar with,
or music from a specific time period.


Started yesterday, and picked up the
Spin Doctors "pocket full of kryptonite".
Fave cuts being: Jimmy Olsen's Blues,
                 Little Miss can't be Wrong
                 Two Princes

Next week, the marine gets to pick the cd.
somehow, i know i'm gonna regret this resolution,
especially when we end up with the entire urge overkill
catalog.

jc-s
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:57:52 CST
From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Fave Xmas tunes

    Geez, I can't beleive I forgot this one, and now almost everyone's
gone home.  Aw, well here goes anyway.
    One of the best and sappiest Xmas tunes I'vce ever heard was
"Fairytale of New York" by none other than the Pogues.
    On the subject of God and his omnipotent feelings and whether
they've been hurt by such artists as Danzig:
    David Malbuff (sorry I deleted yer post before I decided to
respond) correctly stated the real heart of Lenny's question and
consequently the source of artistic debate for the past few years.
The heart of this debate (as paraphrased by me) is:  Why
is it that some symbols and images are sacred and others not and who
determines whose are
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:47:15 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl vs Tape vs. CD vs...

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:32:47 EST Ken Koester said:
>warm muddy sepia-toned slop looking like mush.  And in the case of music,
>sounding like it to boot.  It is clear to me when I listen to vinyl, no matter
>how well done, that I am not listening to a live sound.  It is considerably
>less clear to me that this is the case when I listen to quality CDs.

It really depends on the equipment for vinyl if your using a Sony, Technics,
....etc (basically low-end equipment) the sound of vinyl is not that good,
but a low-end CD player will sound good. I suggest going to a "High-End"
stereo store and listen to your favorite on a Linn TT or comparable and
you may see what everyone's talking about, if you've heard vinyl through
"high-end" eqiupment ($1500.00 TT's) then nevermind.........L.W.

Until CD's are completely Analog i'll prefer albums, but i really have no
choice but listen to CD's, and i do
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:21:21 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: candidate for something Bloom hasn't heard
              30 Dec 1992 00:25:44 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

On Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:25:44 GMT Jeff Beer said:
> Let everyone try and see if they can stump the
>Bloomdido.  (If that don't work, how about Herbie Nichols?)

From a quick scan of just my CD collection, how about:

Marc Bonilla (pretty good guitarist; album named 'EE Ticket' has annoying
   aural collages at the end of the tunes, all instrumentals.)
Hunters & Collectors (Aussie band, Band of the Year a few years back. Album
   I have is 'Ghost Nation'; pretty good basic rock/pop, some passion.)
London Quireboys (British band whose debut came out at the same time as the
   Black Crowes, and a very similar sound; don't think they went anywhere)
Bireli Lagrene (Django Reinhardt clone as a youngster, went electric later;
   I have 'Inferno', which is pretty decent.)
Chris Thomas (Bluesman from Baton Rouge - son of Tabby Thomas, who runs Tabby's
   Blues Box here; debut album 'Cry of the Prophets' has some good stuff, more
   modern sound like a cross between D'arby and straight blues.)

A couple of locals whose albums I don't have, but that might make it bigger:

The Subdudes (Kinda funky N'orlins R&B/pop/Cajun stuff; band name comes from
   an incarnation of a previous band that started playing more 'subdued'
   stuff. Actually, they may be bigger than I realize, as apparently folks
   like John Hiatt, Bonnie Raitt, and Linda Rondstadt are fans.)

Troy Turner (Another blues son, dad is Floyd Turner; his debut album was
   named 'Big News from Baton Rouge' and I should have bought it for the
   title alone :-) Has a more recent release.)

Paul Heroy
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Date: 22 Dec 92 20:40:35 GMT
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On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:21:15 PDT David Malbuff said:
>But suppose another artist depicted a photo, drawing, or sculpture of, say,
>Malcolm X in a jar of urine, with a nice, inoffensive title like "Piss
>Malcolm"? Would those who condemned Helms now rise up in support of this
>artist and his work? Ha, ha, ha. Hell, no, they wouldn't.

I basically agree with David's point, but there was a case in which an
artist painted a picture of Chicago's first black mayor Harold
Washington wearing women's underware, and there was a stink and the
aldermen and police ended up arresting the painting.  Most artists
condemded the police action, saying it was the artist's right....

The Art Institute of Chicago caved in, however, the previous time they did
something that annoyed the city government (under Richie Daley SR.)
found some fire inspectors soon coming over, and they found some "code
violations" that costed $100,000 to fix.

Ironically, after all the dust settled, in order to promote artistic
opportunities for minority artists, they had an exhibition of art by
minority artists.  And one artist who goes under the pen name of Dread
Scott had an exhibition which required you to walk on the U.S. flag.
Needless to say, another round of controversy.

OMC:  You could not make much money busking in front of the Art Institue
during those days.

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:21:01 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: piss X
              23 Dec 1992 15:07:46 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:07:46 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>Frisell _Where In The World_.  Some others I can't remember.  Heh, they're
>almost as hip as us.  Almost....

Even though i create alot of BS on the list i do have to agree there are some
very hip/neat/interesting people in this group, i would really like to meet
everyone in person (everyone would be suprised at the real me)

OMC: I've been listening to Kenny Burrel (midnight blue or something like that)
     and it's very enjoyable anyone want to recommend another Burrell..L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:22:50 PST
From:         Dan Strong <DANS@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Epistemelogy 'R Us

The address for the metal list is Metal@key.amdahl.com
Have fun but I warn you, they can be harsh! A little more vulgar
than the allmusic list. If you say something they don't like you
will never hear the end of it. But it can be amusing.
                                                     Dan.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:54:44 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      holidays

Title sez it.  In just 30 minutes, folk.  I'm battening down the hatches (take
*that*, you hatches!) & setting my options to nomail until next year.  Try not
to flame--er, burn--down the shop while I'm away.

Gaudete, gaudete,
Cristus est natus
Ex Maria virginae, gaudete.

--------------------

Psallite et laudete while you're at it. . . .
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:17:31 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: school

May I ask, bluntly, if either of the teachers of "Rock, Racism, and
the Mass Audience" can play a simple blues progression on the piano?
What I find frustrating about these courses is that many of the instructors
are deaf as a post, and teach not music, but LYRICS, treating "a song" as
"words-which-are-the-meaning, plus some sort of background-which-only-
requires-an-adjective-or-two"; in short, many of these Indeterminate Studies-
type folks don't particularly CARE for music, nor do they understand it (not
surprisingly). A symptom to watch out for: if either of these worthies directs
you toward the REAL meaning (as opposed to the "apparent" meaning), you're
dealing with the dreaded tribe of Vulgar Marxists; head for the exit a.s.a.p.!
MWM
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From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      He's baaaaaaaack

It's been a rough week. My E-Mail address has changed from Massachusetts
twice, then to Ohio, and now it's North Carolina. The only bummer with
this new system is that I can no longer remain the Chrome-Plated Megaphone
of Destiny (sorry Frank). This mailer won't let me change my personal
name! 8( Oh well... And don't let the address name fool ya, I still don't
dance (unless I'm on the better half of a case). Anyways, here's my OMC:

I've been packing up my stuff to get ready for the big move next week. I
was boxing up my CDs and there was a little space left in the last box. I
didn't want them rattling around cracking their jewel boxes, so I had to go
out and buy some more to fill up the space. 8) Here's what I picked up:

Spin Doctors: _Homebelly Groove Live_
        More of the same from the Spins. If you like any of their other
stuff, than this won't hold many surprises for you. Don't get me wrong,
they're good, but there's not as much variety in their style as the other
HORDE bands like Phish or Blues Traveller. 7 of the songs were recorded
back in 1990. Of these 7, 4 were previously released on the 1990 EP _Up
For Grabs_. An additional 3 songs are from this past summer's tour.

Steve Coleman: _Rhythm in Mind_
        Beer talked about this one a while back. Steve leaves Funk aside to
do some more traditional jazz. The band includes Steve, Von Freeman, Kenny
Wheeler, Kevin Eubanks, Tommy Flanagan, Dave Holland, Ed Blackwell, and
Marvin Smith. Top notch performances all around.

Tom Waits: _Frank's Wild Years_
           _Bone Machine_
        With all the recent discussion of Waits I decided to give some of
his stuff a try. I picked up _Frank's Wild Years_ and put it in my car CD
player as I went to do some other errands. I was digging it so much that
when I went to Lechmere I noticed that they were having a 25% off CDs sale
and picked up _Bone Machine_ too. He's definitely a very twisted
individual, but I like it. 8) I was happy to see that Mark Ribot plays on
a couple of the cuts on _Bone Machine_. I really liked his _Rootless
Cosmopolitans_ album and have been looking for more of his work. Les
Claypool of Primus also puts in an appearance, reciprocating for Tom's
work on "Tommy the Cat".

Steve Hackett: _Voyage of the Acolyte_
        This was a hesitant purchase. I loved his work with Genesis, but the
only other solo album I've heard by him was _Cured_ which I truly despised.
I figured I'd go for one of his early effort and I was rewarded. This was
recorded in 1975 when he was still a member of Genesis and as such, is very
close to the Genesis music of that time. Mike Rutherford and Phil Collins
appear throughout. The first cut has bits that remind me of Rick Wakeman's
_Six Wives of Henry VIII_.

-Adam (the ex CPMOD)
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Who in the world is the group Danzig(sp) are they some kinda joke they seem
to be really against god or something, what's the deal here are they real
or anoyher Spinal Tap.....Bah Humbug..................L.W.
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      school

    Winter Quarter starts Monday here at UAB.  This doesn't mean much
except that I'm taking a course on Rock & Roll this quarter.
Officially titled it's Rock, Racism and the Mass Audience and is
being taught under American Studies.  It's being team taught by both
an American Studies/History prof and one of my favorite English
professors.  Looks like it ought to be fun.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:56:11 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: This page is unintentionally left blank
              22 Dec 1992 10:29:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APG EA.ARMY.MIL>

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:29:00 EST <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> said:
>From: TSEADA@VRIT01.EG at INTERNET 12/21/92 3:38PM (538 bytes: 5 ln)
>Subject: Re: Best Band Ever
>
>>I think the best band ever is PINK FLOYD.
>
>That's really nice.
>Nameless newbie, this is a music *discussion* list. That means when you say
>something, you're supposed to elaborate on it a little bit, atleast.
>
Naw, if he/she did that, he/she wouldn't be a newbie any more (-:
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Lenster and the Big Guy

>It seems kinda strange that if it were album covers showing disrepect of
>Homosexuals or minorities.....etc, there would be an uproar and boycotts
>but i guess God is fair game, I don't want to start a disscussion on
>religion I know most of you don't believe, but maybe one day you'll "see
>the light".................L.W.

Well, Len, I think the reasoning is that God can pretty well
take care of himself, and people dissing the Old Man are only
putting their own eternal life in jeopardy.  On the other hand,
when a society turns against its minorities, things can get
awfully tough for those folks.  I trust I won't have to make
a list of examples (and one need not restrict oneself to the
states in this).

I guess if I were omnipotent, I wouldn't care that much what
y'all said about me behind my back - and I wouldn't care that
much if you did (in a fit of self-destructiveness) advocate
violence against me.  But I think a little extra-consideration
for those who aren't omnipotent is neither hypocritical nor
an excessive burden to bear.

                            -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:55:34 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Laswell

  So who is Bill Laswell?  He produced the last 2 CD's I bought -
Transmutation by Praxis and Ask The Ages by Sonny Sharrock.  Beer,
wanna take this one?

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:07:46 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      piss X

  For some unknown reason, I've always thought "Piss Christ" was a
pun on the French "piece Christ", meaning a figurine of Christ, a small
statue.  I'll admit my French is horrendous; am I totally wrong here?
Was the artist French?  Could his statement have been about the degrading
of Christ by the selling of obnoxious little figurines?

  OMC:  A recent Guitar Player asked their writers/editors to list great
guitar albums/bands, for possible xmas gifts or something.  A few Allmusic
notables were Sharrock's _Ask The Ages_, Flecktones _UFOTOFU_, Praxis, Bill
Frisell _Where In The World_.  Some others I can't remember.  Heh, they're
almost as hip as us.  Almost....

   They also mentioned a Django Reinhart album where he "plugs in", meaning
he plays electric guitar I guess.  First I've ever heard of that.  Anyone
got any info on it?

Russ
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