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From: anuchit@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
Originator: anuchit@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:02:46 GMT

In article <9211091711.AA24619@ipied.tu.ac.th.tu.ac.th> kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
>
>THE Constitution Tribunal yesterday handed down a decision 
>supporting the blanket amnesty for everyone involved in the May 
>17-20 demonstrations and subsequent crackdown.
> ... [some stuffs deleted] ...
>He [Mr. Suthee] also said there were loopholes in the Constitution 
>which gave governments a free hand in deciding whether a situation 
>constituted an emergency under which an executive decree could be 
>issued.
> ... [some stuffs deleted] ...
>The SFT had anticipated the outcome of the tribunal's 
>consideration which meant the victims of the May crackdown died in 
>vain and those responsible would go free.

I have no degree in law but I believe that any law has no
meaning if interpreted lierally without taking into consideration
the spirit of the law.  The spirit of the Constitution is 
to benefit the people not to protect the goverment which abuses 
its power.  The exectutive decree is certainly not intended to be used 
as a means for the goverment to free itself from any wrongdoing.
Any interpretation of a law which is against the spirit of
the law, no matter how literally accurate it is, is unacceptable.
From: cslac2209@bestsd.sdsu.edu (UNALOME TECHAMUANVIVIT)
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:03:00 GMT

This is pathetic!!

Unalome

p.S. For those who might be interested, I wrote some comments on the amnesty
decree in my article named "Forgive and forget?."  I don't want to rewrite it
again here, so you have to go and look for yourself. :)
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: any
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:44:47 GMT


I propose that the public hearing about our constitution is televised
nationally.  It should even be done like an electronic town hall style
like what Ross Perot and Bill Clinton have done.  Any commend?

Thian

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:36:06 GMT

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From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: THAILAND e-mail address desperately needed
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:50:25 +0700
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

In article <1992Nov4.221504.21269@athena.cs.uga.edu>, lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu (Felix Sherwin Lopez) writes:
>      I am looking for an e-mail address in Thailand to reach a faculty member
> in the Dept. of Horticulture in Kasetsart University in Bangkhen, Bangkok.
> Any help will be appreciated.

As far as I know, Kasetsart "had" a node running. Users on that node could
be reached at user%nontri.uucp@decth.co.th. The node was situated at
computer engineering dept, faculty of engineering. But due to a recent move
to the new building, the node has been declared "down". Sysadmin has not
informed me (his gateway) when the system will be running again. Kasetsart
has a plan for campus wide backbone network. Implementation is months away.

As last resource, you might want to try aew@nwg.nectec.or.th, sysadmin of
the late "nontri".

> Sherwin "Chakrit" Lopez
> lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu

-Trin
From: toaa@unixg.ubc.ca (Somchai Jitsuchon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: What's behind the Scene? (was "any")
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:45:23 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Subject: Re: Post Nov 11: NGO urges Chuan to be tough on hooker problem
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand) Ltd
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:10:14 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.072809.19209@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes...
>I have read many articles in s.c.t. regarding prostitution problem.
>Most (actually almost all) of them emphasize on *forced* prostitution
>and they give me an impression that they somehow imply that voluntary 
>prostitution is OK.

I think it's a matter of prioritization (or making an excuse of having not
enough resources -- depending on which angle you would like to look from).

>It is increasingly 
>disappointing when goverment officials talked about brothels (which they 
>obviously have the full knowledge of) as if such places could be legally 
>operated.

A more terrible thing is why government officials have to wait until PM
Chuan gave an ultimatum that governer and police chief would be transferred
out of the province (sort of punishment) if that province cannot curb down
child prostitution and child abuse. Sounds like the CYA (cover your a**)
syndrome.

My in-law just came to Bangkok from Pataloong. He had to fly to Bangkok
since all the trains all the buses were full. There were heavy brothels
crack down everywhere in the South, particularly in Haad-yai area. The
P's went home.

Hope it's not just yet another Fai Mai" Faang.
----
Trin Tantsetthi                           trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.        ...!decwrl!tlaeng.enet!trin
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Serving in the army - What do think?
Keywords: army
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:10:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik) writes:
>The first case is a friend of mine, who is in electrical engineering, major in
>VLSI design (VLSI - Very Large Circuit Integration) has to serve in the army
>starting this December. He married a year ago and has a week old boy. He made
>every petition to delay the date, but unsuccessful.... 
>
>The other case is that my friend's friend, who attends community college, 
 had togo to the army last year, that he was supposed to serve for two and 
 a half year,but rumor told me that his father used bribery and the son was 
 exempted.

The military conscription system in Korea is neither efficient or fair.
There are more 18-30 year olds in Korea than the Army can use, so there
are really complex rules for exemptions and alternative services. The
2.5 years that regular army guys have to serve is just long enough
to disrupt one's life and just short enough that the army is always
short handed of experienced corporals and sargents.

In the case of the VLSI guy from Canada, the military does not consider you 
to be the sole provider if your parents have any property above a certain 
amount. It may be too late but if he is not 27 yet, he should try to get
into grad school and postpone his service from there.

While there are numerous bribery scandals in the conscription office,
bribing to get an exemption is actually harder than one would think.
There is a really complex system of checks and balances which makes
taking bribes quite risky. Not to say it's impossible but it is harder
than what people seem to think. I was a bangwi at the conscription office
so I got to see them working from up close.

The one bright thing about the army is that once its over you are
totally free in terms of travelling and life in general. Also you
do get to meet alot of people whom you'd probably never get to know.
Most regular army guys come from lower middle class families and
have high school diploma. Most bangwi's tend to be guys who dropped
out of high school and thus were not accepted in the regular army.
They come from the 'real' Korea. 

Wherever you go in the army is pretty much the same: miserable.
But your buddies will look after you and you will also do your
best to look out for others and most do survive.
The place to definitely avoid is bo-an(internal security) or
jung-bo(intelligence). People think that such posts are posh and less
streneous but the psychological stresses are immense. A friend of mine
got himself stationed in a combat division on the DMZ and went through
all sorts of hell. But the last 10 or so months he spent tutoring
some general's kids in Seoul and had it really easy. So you never know
what is in store for you.
-Han Kim

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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: KOREAN CULTURE
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:13:40 GMT

In article <92310.224137U57448@uicvm.uic.edu> YEN NGUYEN <U57448@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I AM NOT KOREAN.
>THE THING THAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE KOREANS IS THAT, WHETER IT IS
>AGAINST THE CUSTOMS OF KOREAN GIRLS TO GO OUT WITH GUYS WHO ARE NOT
>KOREAN OR NOT. IN EITHER WAY PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION I'LL BE
>GRATEFUL TO YOU .
>
>
>THANK YOU
>       ABD
	Woah.  You must be coming from a BITNET site or you forgot to 
turn off your caps lock.  But we won't hold the latter against you.  Coming
from a BITNET site, well, in some newsfroups (sic), that's a capital
offense.  :)  Anyway, to answer your question, no, it's not against the
customs.  I know a lot of Korean girls who go out with non-Korean guys
and a lot of Korean girls who only date Korean guys.  It's just a matter
of personal and parental choice.  


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | IRC nick:  Idaho                
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | I'm the one with the Earl Grey tea.
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 
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From: gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Last time you said 'Thank you!'
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:40:55 GMT

I was reading many people's comments on 'Korean parents pushing their kids ....... death!'. It seems that everybody was saying what we hear about Korean parents and their kids both in North America & Korea. Now, we all know our parents workvery hard to make us become a decent member of society, and you also work very
hard to fulfill not only your expectation, but also all others whom you love
including your parents.

When was the last time you said 'Thank You' to your parents for all you have
and who you are now?
From: c60a-gv@danube.Berkeley.EDU (   )
Subject: FEELINGS ABOUT CLINTON IN KOREA
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:33:40 GMT

What were / are the reactions in Korea to the election
of Bill Clinton as the president of the US?  (the public
in general, and the government)

Reply at c60a-gv@danube.berkeley.edu
Thanks a lot!
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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: My dear chungkookchang...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:26:46 GMT

In article <97452@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.005833.894@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>> ...
>> 	Panic-free atmostphere, maybe, but I wouldn't want to inhale
>> Seoul's atmosphere.  I don't know which is worse, LA smog, or Seoul smog.
>> Give me the clean air of Vancouver anyday.  :)
>
>Do not believe in miracles--rely on them.  Or so they say, but please
>spare me your smog business, because I didn't mean "atmosphere" in a
>literal sense.  By "panic-free atmosphere" I was hoping to refer to
>the freedom of being able to enjoy delicious Korean food, such as
>chungkookchang, any time of the day without constantly tormented by
>fear of provoking suspicions from others who may not share the
>appreciation of fine aroma that lingers afterwards.
>   To appetize without fear is the leitmotif of my life.

	Grrrrrrreeeeaaaaa!!!!  (A scream not unlike that of Chewbacca).
That was called humor.  (I swear I will not kill anyone, with a thick
Austrian accent.)  More specifically, a pun.  (I swear I will not kill
anyone.)  See, atmosphere has two meanings?  And I was using them 
interchangeably for humor?  (I swear I will not kill anyone.)  Just...how...
many...smileys...do...I...have...to...put...in...an...article?  (Now the
voice resembles that of William Shatner.)  Sorry folks, this is somewhat
early in the morning, and my brain is still in a dreamy mood.  :)
>
>Hyunsuk Seung
>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu


-- 
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From: gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Brief Korean News (Nov/12)
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:35:26 GMT

News taken from Korea Times ('HanGuk-ilbo')

Korea Presidential Election Date : December 18, 1992

The date will be officially announced on Nov.20.
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Serving in the army - What do think?
Keywords: army
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:21:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Nov13.020231.26048@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik) writes:
>
>The first case is a friend of mine, who is in electrical engineering, major in
>VLSI design (VLSI - Very Large Circuit Integration) has to serve in the army
>starting this December. He married a year ago and has a week old boy. He made
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>every petition to delay the date, but unsuccessful. He left Canada two days ago.
 
   I vaguely remember that if you have to support two children and a wife,
'Law' exempt your army service.  I feel very sorry for your friend.
Although he major in high-tech(?), he can not have two baby in a year. (-:

un-sig (served as 5 years 'supporting role' (TeungRae..)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Serving in the army - What do think?
Keywords: army
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:55:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.020231.26048@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik) writes:
>Every male from Korea ( 1st generation & VISA student ) knows that he has to
>serve in the army for a lengthy period. Two cases have occured to me and I want
>to hear your opinion. Thanks you.

	Tell you the truth, it really bites.  When you have to spend three
years of your life in the army during the period in which you are most 
productive, it really is detrimental to you and the society.  And in the
army, for crying out loud!  At least put me in the navy or the airforce...
I'm just not an army person.  Jee, can you tell that I'm really looking
forward to this?

>The first case is a friend of mine, who is in electrical engineering, major in
>VLSI design (VLSI - Very Large Circuit Integration) has to serve in the army
>starting this December. He married a year ago and has a week old boy. He made
>every petition to delay the date, but unsuccessful. He left Canada two days ago.
	Hmm, I thought there was a rule about getting exempted if you are
the sole provider of your family, which is define as, etc, etc, etc.  I
read the Dae-bub jun last year just to see what the rules for getting
exempt, getting delayed and serving bang-wi was.  My memory must be
fading.  Your friend left Canada to serve in the army?  Isn't that the
other way around usually?  :)

>
>The other case is that my friend's friend, who attends community college, had togo to the army last year, that he was supposed to serve for two and a half year,but rumor told me that his father used bribery and the son was exempted.

	Betcha this happens if you have enough money.  And for all those of
you who want to try this, supposedly, if you have a tattoo, you are 
automatically exempted from the service.  But as far as I know, it's only
a UL, so take it with a grain of salt.
-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | IRC nick:  Idaho                
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | I'm the one with the Earl Grey tea.
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Subject: Re: KOREAN CULTURE
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:22:29 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <92310.224137U57448@uicvm.uic.edu> YEN NGUYEN <U57448@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Subject: KOREAN CULTURE
>From: YEN NGUYEN <U57448@uicvm.uic.edu>
>Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 22:41:37 CST
>FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I AM NOT KOREAN.
>THE THING THAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE KOREANS IS THAT, WHETER IT IS
>AGAINST THE CUSTOMS OF KOREAN GIRLS TO GO OUT WITH GUYS WHO ARE NOT
>KOREAN OR NOT. IN EITHER WAY PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION I'LL BE
>GRATEFUL TO YOU .
>
>
>THANK YOU
>       ABD

	I am Korean and in my experiences, I haven't found anymore aversion 
to Korean girls' dating non-Korean men than that is found in other asian 
cultures.  In other words, I haven't found much aversion at all.  The 
important thing is what the particular girl you're interested in is 
comfortable with.  Ask her.
 
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From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:31:05 GMT


shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
: In article <199
2i
The problem with this  question is that  everyone seems to
think that president Park was in some way responsible for
the economic growth.  Thke fact of the matter of the matter
is that the Korean people have achieved success IN SPITE OF
ITS GOVERNMENT!  The reknown American expert on Korea, Bruce
Cummings, has said before that one looks at the two koreas,
one sees the paragon of successs of each systems--socialism
and capitalism.  When he was riding a train into N. Korea from
China, he said that he felt like he was riding from a poor
country into a somewhat well-off country.  

My point is that one cannot credit Korea's economic growth
to president Park.  The mere fact that he was a Korean 
president and Korea enjoyed economic growth does not mean
He was instrumental in that growth.  He was a iron-fisted
dictator.  Face it folks.

HL
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Interested in Homosexuality in Korea
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:17:36 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov11.080149.11304@news.yale.edu> lim@omega.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
>
>Does anyone have more interesting story?

	The oldest known gay-bar (well, it's different from gay-bar
	in U.S.; rather it's room-salon with bunch of trans-sexuals or
	wanted-to-be's) is Boccaccio in Itaewon; however, you won't
	found gay customers there, most customers are there for their
	curiosity or w/o knowing where they are; however, one thing I'm
	pretty certain is that anyone w/o knowing they are different
	would try to take her/him out (some of them were shocking pretty).

	Actually, there are 3 kinds of gays in Korea; one with money
	, the other w/o money, and the one who just wants to be woman (I'm
	not sure these people belong to homo-sexual).

	Those with money would be someone like Andre Kim, Mr. Ha (Basic),
	... and the poor would be those hang out near Holywood theater;
	and the last will be those who work on bar as hostess; believe
	me you won't even possibly guess they are mail or former male;
	even male has voice and figure of female if he has been taking
	hormone shots for long period.

	And most of those with money do not ever hide they are homo-sexual,
	while those w/o money or trans-sexuals hide themselves; and it is
	also known thing that they get quite jealous when their
	partners hang out with someone else; and there were lots of funny
	happenings related to that.

	You can get into weird experience in night-clubs in Seoul; once,
	some jerk ask me to dance; I thought this jerk was insulting me and
	almost got into fight; later, I heard from one of my friends who
	goes to same college with that jerk that he was gay.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean PC Magazines
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:08:03 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <Nov.2.12.49.04.1992.1589@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>In article <31OCT199216320117@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, kskim@phobos.ucc.umass.edu) (Kay Kim) writes:
>> I'm interested in subscribing Korean computer magazines such as PC World Korea.
>> If you know anything about it, please e-mail me at KSKIM@PHOBOS.UCC.UMASS.EDU 
>> 
>> Thanx very much.
>
>
>I'd also like to subscribe to one of Korean computer magazines. If
>anyone who knows good computer magazines, could he/she post it on the
>newsgroup? 

  Microsoftware had been the best computer magazine until late 80's. But,
now I'm not sure which is the best because nowadays there are much more
computer magazines than before. Some examples include Software World(simply
called SO-Wol) published electronically, Microsoftware(Ma-So) and maybe 
PC-Magaznine. I also remember Korea Economics Daily(Hanguk Kyungje
Shinmun),a former operator of KETEL(nationwide BBS,now KORTEL) publishes
a computer magaznine.  I've seen Microsoftware at a Korean Book store in
Manhattan(Koryo Book store at 32 th. St between 5th and 6th ave.)
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Jung


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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: E-mail address for Virginia Tech
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:50:39 GMT

Hi!
Is there anyone out there who knows E mail address of Virginia Tech?
Let me know if you do.
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