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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:16:55 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
>There's this guy on American Public television - Jack Korkheimer, Star
>Hustler. It's this bizarre little 2 minute TV show about the stars for
>any given night. It's produced out of of Florida. Usually shows on the
>PBS station right before signoff.

Your radar is quite accurate, although I hear he is very closeted.
He has done Star Hustler for over 30 years now in Miami (it usually runs
at 2am and is about 15 minutes long, daily).  He also runs Miami's
Planetarium.  He does a pretty good job for someone
with no formal education in astronomy.

BTW, a few years ago he had a beard, but I have not seen him in awhile.


                                                                        ____
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \  /
     April 4, 1992  Marjorie Stoneman Douglas' 102nd birthday            \/
      I'll probably see her out dancing.
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots, and My Teeth.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr15.173329.17430@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US>  
rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (S^u~n^wa U~ Wachi) writes:

> ** For good reason.  Wranglers are cut to fit the sort of physique that
> you develop if you ride a lot; even the slim version of the "Cowboy
> Cut" Wranglers are less slim than standard 501s. They also last *a lot*
> longer than Levis.

Mmmmm... big thick thighs, major bow legs. Dat turns me OHN, sistah! 

Throw in a major gap between the front teeth, a gigantic Texas moustache,  
and smelly armpits and crotch, and I'm on my knees before he can say  
"Y'all".

Now you have to stop that. I just had my wisdom teeth out today, all four.  
I'm sitting here with a half frozen face. feeling like someone slugged me  
in the jaw. And I am duty bound to follow the surgeon's directive:

"No sucking action."

That's verbatim.

:-(

-Anthony
From: jenkirj@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Kentucky/Tenessee?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:29:40 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Is there anyone from Kentucky that reads this board besides me?  (even any 
tenessee people would be interesting!)

Just curious,
RJ
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:45:36 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Mar30.211425.6186@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com writes:

> What you don't get (that's the plural form of the word "you") is that
> AIDS is not a disease that funding is going to cure.  AIDS is very much
> like lung cancer due to smoking.  The majority of AIDS cases are still
> behaviorally related, just as the majority of cigarette smoking related
> lung cancer deaths.  What you are trying to do is, in effect, fund
> research into how people can practice a risky behavior and not suffer
> the risks of that behavior.  It hasn't been effective with smoking, and
> I'd dare say the 450,000 "customers" the tobacco businesses lose each
> year are sufficient financial incentive to find a cure to that little
> disease.

It's possible to find a cure for AIDS, and AIDS isn't caused by gay sex.
On the other hand, there is no cure for lung gunk from inhaling the smoke
of a burning plant. Gay sex is natural; smoking is stupid.

---
John Dorrance			** World Peace through Wanton Boinking **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Subject: Re: Good news from La La Land
Reply-To: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:12:26 GMT

In article <kurscfINN50r@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|>   "We called Philly and talked to a street cop," said LAPD Sgt. Ted
|>   Maillet.  "He said, 'Give him a little time and you'll be proud to 
|>   call him your chief....He's a straight shooter.  But screw up, and
|>   you'd better bring your Vaseline.'"

     The imagery of this is wonderful :-) Most of the boy in blue could use 
a bit of private lubrication -- if nothing their goose stepping would
probably improve.
     One other note that might be worth mentioning is that the right
dishonorable William Dennameyer is running for the senate in Calif. He
has a snowballs chance in hell of being elected. On the positive side, I 
believe he has to give up his seat in the house! Maybe, considering the
gerrymandering, he will be permanently in the unemployed catagory :-)
-- 


		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Future Opera Queen Needs Help
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:31:09 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Apr10.141712.12216@cs.hw.ac.uk> wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells) writes:

>That really depends on your range.  For deep baritones I think there can be
>no one better than Tito Gobbi.  Sherrill Milnes though comes a close second.
>Lighter baritones need to be able to vocalise like Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau.
>(His recordings of Schumann are GOLD).

That's limiting things unduly to the recent past.  For "excellent
technique" (which is what was asked about), all three of the above would
take a back seat to such excellent baritones of the past as Titta Ruffo,
Giuseppe De Luca, Pasquale Amato, Riccardo Stracciari, Friedrich Schorr,
Herbert Janssen, Heinrich Schlusnus, Leonard Warren, Lawrence Tibbett,
Garhard Huesch, and quite a few more.

>Tenors?  Variously, depending again on your depth and fortitude.  I should 
>love to be able to emulate a melange of the big three europeans... The force
>of Domingo Though with the enunciation of Pavarotti and the charisma/emotion 
>of Carreras.  

Again, from the giants of the past in this repertoire:  Enrico Caruso,
Beniamino Gigli, Jussi Bjoerling, Francesco Merli, Giovanni Martinelli.
And of course Lauritz Melchior.

>Softer tenors should perhaps look to the opi of Sir Geraint 
>Evans 

Sir Geraint, a tenor?  He was a bass with occasional baritone
aspirations.

>& Peter Piers 

(Pears)

>whose lifelong romance with Benjamin Britten resulted in
>the revival of English National Opera and who has the inimitable -or so it 
>seems- ability to sustain those otherwise breathless, intricate cadenza that
>The Bach family liked to impose on their tenors.  Try his Peter Grimes or 
>Bach's St John Passion (1971 I think).

For some superb lyric tenors, try John McCormack, Richard Tauber, Fritz
Wunderlich, Leopold Simoneau, the younger Nicolai Gedda.  In general,
look to singers of the past whose good name has survived the test of
time, rather than to whoever has a hardworking press agent right now.
Listen carefully and critically (but openmindedly).  Don't get snarled
up with stylistic changes between 1910 and today -- listen to how well
the voices worked.  Read John Steane, "The Great Tradition."

Jon Alan Conrad
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:49:26 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr7.030439.9873@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
    (mike.siemon) writes:
> Hell, I also liked Swope Park -- but I left KC too early
> to have ever made out there -- I mostly liked the zoo,
> like H.'s little Woody.

Well, the park is still nice but the zoo has fallen upon
very hard times I'm sorry to say.  I don't think I'd make
out in Swope Park these days, though....

> Heinlein KNEW that this background was filled with narrow
> & bigotted people, and he firmly rejected that (the
> liberating component of his opinions) -- but he never came
> to any substitute except the simple inversion of a few of
> the main precepts of the bigots.  Everything else,
> including his notion of what made someone "worth"
> something was shaped by that background and never took a
> critical look at its own prejudices.  It's just Missouri
> middle-class with the overt bigotry edited out.

That pretty much describes him.  Despite some people's
comments about Asimov I find him *much* more reasonable than
Heinlein (given that neither of them wrote decent female
characters).

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
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From: amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sex,soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:41:18 GMT
Organization: Macalester College

In article <1992Apr04.102217.23026@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us>, rstevew@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
> In article <1992Mar27.180230.17028@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> keb3_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Karin Baker) writes:
>>In <1992Mar23.185035.8305@math.ufl.edu> snarler@maple.circa.ufl.edu (Drifter...) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Mar23.063003.18551@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, keb3_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Karin Baker) writes:
>>>>In <1992Mar18.053446.9222@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> jnewton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Justin Newton) writes:
>>>>>In article <Idld3uK00Uh708kf0r@andrew.cmu.edu> rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Ann Stallings)
(lots of stuff deleted for the sake of sanity)
> Steve writes:
> My ex-wife of 18 years and I always called each other "babe" or
> "baby". As funny as you might think that sounds, when you find someone
> you can stand for that long, it is simply comforting. We used boy and
> girl as apellations without any enmity or friction. Eighteen years is
> a long time.
> 
> You might say, "Ah, but you say she's your ex-? Don't you think that
> means something about the way you interacted." No, it was sad for both
> of us when we realized that we had drifted down different paths so
> much that we didn't use those terms of endearment as much anymore.

Just because you used it as a term of endearment doesn't mean it isn't
offensive in another context.  One of my ex-boyfriends and I used to call each
other "motherfucking tree-hugger" and "hairy-legged feminist bitch" as terms of
endearment, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find people who AREN'T
offended by being called such names.  This was also far from the reason we
broke up.
> 
> My experience is that the
> male and female uses of "girl(s)" and "boy(s)", respectively, by the two
> sexes, is an unconscious form of the desire for the same closeness
> with the other sex that I and my wife had. It is a harmless usage, and
> even in its teasing form it is nothing to become overwrought about,
> unless you are so sensitive that you can't withstand friendly teasing.

You must have some pretty bizarre experience, or be misinterpreting other
people's intentions quite often.  I CAN take teasing, believe me.  However, our
beef is that the general use is NOT teasing, or, when it is teasing, is often 
used maliciously.  How long will it take you to understand this?

> P.S. (Or so damned PC that you can't find your butt with both hands.)

Believe me, I CAN most assuredly find my butt with both hands.  I can even find
it blindfolded and with one hand tied in front of me :^o (amazing, isn't it?)
Allison
amitchell@macalstr.edu
amitchel@math.macalstr.edu

"Where's the damn pig?" -Jamie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Cornell Protests Military Ban
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:27:08 GMT

[]
To clarify what actually happened here, the Board of Trustees
voted to continue to allow ROTC activities and military
recruiting on campus, acknowledging at the time that they
did so in violation of local laws.  It was the provost
(not the Trustees - I goofed) who wrote to Cheney.  He
asked that the military change its policies regarding gay
people, which is rather a different matter from threatening
to throw them off campus.  Sorry for the factual error and
any lack of clarity on my part.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: No longer Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:34:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: (getting there)

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) lists:
  >>As for the household word, I'm no sf maven.  Mixer?  Blender?
  >>Chopper?  Spoon?  Lamp?  Staircase?
stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
 >Would these be Tom Mixer, Blender Starr, Dennis Chopper, Spoon River,
 >Charles Lamp and Alister Staircase, perchance?

Close.  I'll take all except Spoon River, who is pegged in my mind
as L. T. Spoon.  (I can see where the T. came from , but the L.
mystifies me, unless I think I'm speaking Spanish, which isn't
something I do-- or think I do-- very often.)

I'm delighted to learn about Disch.  Must go have a read.




-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 9 Apr 1992 18:06:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.003535.825@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
| In article <1992Apr9.233358.9267@gordian.com>
| mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:
...
| >Wrong direction, the Santa Ana's blow out to sea. The only thing
| >that blows toward Las Vegas are the bowling league motor homes...
|
| Mercy, that wouldn't be right for Arne, he'd be too
| miserable, I'm sure.  Well, somebody out there please makes
| sure he packs his water wings.  Of course, maybe he could
| land on a Faaaabulous Yacht bound for Bora Bora.

How perceptive of you to guess that I just wouldn't be *me* in a 
Winnebago bound for Las Vegas.  Although a yacht bound for Bora
Bora does sound dreamy, I'd settle for a certain house on Broad
Beach....

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: Logic Automation Inc. of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:07:03 GMT

In article <m60t_fp@rpi.edu> buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr9.051438.13936@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>> Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
>>> rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)
>
>>Indeed, this is a great way to find closet types
>>because as my friends and I regularly assert:
>Well, this is sort of hazardous, because ieven though the following is true:
>
>>   "Straight boys can't dance."
>
>That doesn't necessarily mean that
>
>"NOT straight boys CAN dance". Does it? [I'm a math major, I don't understand 
>all this logic stuff .. :-)]
>
>-- 

That is correct. I am not a straight boy, but I can not dance to save my life. Will
my queer card be revoked?



Ken



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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lou Sheldon is Mad at Pete Wilson -- news item
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:26:37 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar26.233650.16174@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>I would just like to add my voice to the chorus of people who think that
>Bryan is performing a valuable service by posting these tidbits, and want
>him to continue.
>
>There's always going to be something being posted that each of us wishes
>would go away.  

You know, it's not that.  I guess that, in the light of intrusions
from outsiders, seeing their stuff repeated by one of us is what 
started it.  I overreacted.  I know that.  I have e-mailed with
Bryan over it.  I understand his postion (though I don't totally
support it) and I believe he understands mine.

It wasn't the message.  It was the manner of delivery.

>Soc.motss
>can't be exactly the way every single reader wants it to be.

Of course not.  I feel that if this had been done another way,
one with some warning and consideration for members of the group,
it would have flown.

Remember - many people who read here spend a lot of effort activley
fighting bigots in other places, on the net and in 'real life'.
You have to admit it would be nice if the same hate isn't echoed,
in all it's glory, for all to see, in what is supposed to be
a safe space.

Granted, no one will get exactly what they want here, but consideration
for the members of this family couldn't hurt.

>That evening in the library Scylla, one of the guests who had certain
>anatomical peculiarities, demonstrated the "Lithuanian Typewriter," assisted
>by Ronald and Robert, two remarkably well-set-up young men from the village.

Where do you get these?  If you are the author - I am impressed!




     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: SF writers (John Brunner in particular)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:49:45 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

Since we have been discussing science fiction writers, and I haven't
seen anyone else mention him, another writer who deals positively with
gay issues is John Brunner, author of _Stand on Zanzibar_ and quite
a few other novels.

Several of his books, including SoZ, feature minor gay male
characters, always presented as good people who just want to get on
with their lives like anyone else.  I don't remember any lesbians.

Interesting item:
Quite a few years ago, I picked up a book by "John Brunner" at a book
fair, and started thumbing through it.  It turned out to be some kind
of gay male novel -- I dropped it like a hot potato, so I can't say
much more than that.  (Sorry, I was about 14 at the time, and my father
was standing next to me.)

Does anyone know about a John Brunner who does gay male fiction?  Is it
the same guy?  Is it a pseudonym?  The SF writer Brunner is British,
and has been writing since the early 70's, at least.


Michelle Elliott
From: fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Get Fat! Re: Exercise (Was Re: ... laundry?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:40:27 EST
Organization: Univ of Toledo, Carlson Library

In article <1992Apr6.114450.26547@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
 writes:

> 8) A certain Jewish deli-restaurant in a certain area on Fairfax;
> Chicken Kreplach; Matzo-ball soup; Dr. Brown's Cream Soda; Meatloaf;
                                                 ^^^^^

          True afficianados of Jewish delis would know that the
          preferred flavor is Dr. Brown's CELERY Soda.  Nor do you
          have to be a Native New Yorker to find it -- I have seen
          it in delis in Toledo and Akron, OH!

> Patty Melts; Club Sandwitches; 24-hour-a-day bakery;
  ^^^^^^^^^^^
          I trust that you do not hold yourself to a glatt kosher diet!

> Eating is an exhausing activity, and yo must prepare yourself for it.
          I'll eat to that!

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: RE: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:15:59 GMT
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In <13APR92.16165590@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

[Star Hustler]

I caught an episode of this last night. Here's the evaluation:

For Queer:			Against Queer:

	'out in space'			that jacket!
	show effects			twee pas!

	silly, silly,			mechanical
	silly scripting			hand gestures

	Whistley little			Only 15 min.
	theme song			long; real queers
					would demand
					a miniseries

	measurement based		real queers aren't
	on fisting			'star gazers'; they're
					'etherial creatures'

You be the judge.

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lou Sheldon is Mad at Pete Wilson -- news item
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:14:59 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <2068@uswnvg.UUCP> dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn
F.  Pedro) writes:

>In article <1992Mar26.233650.16174@adobe.com>
>asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

>>That evening in the library Scylla, one of the guests who had certain
>>anatomical peculiarities, demonstrated the "Lithuanian Typewriter," assisted
>>by Ronald and Robert, two remarkably well-set-up young men from the village.

>Where do you get these?  If you are the author - I am impressed!

According to my impression, you should be impressed with our
very own Peanut Sale, but his many accomplishments do not
include authoring the works of Edward Gorey -- yet.

-- 
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.sex,sci.psychology,soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 4 Apr 92 15:52:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.155222.4005
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <10334@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Mar28.231030.29939@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>> In article <10234@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
># #Odd.  When I was in high school in the early 1970s, it ["nigger"] was used a
># #lot as a term of endearment by black students to refer to other
># #black students.
># 
># Odd.  When I was in high school in the early 1970s, "nigger"
># was used a lot as a term of endearment by white students to
># let black students know that they didn't necessarily agree
># that integration had been such a good idea, after all.
>
>Gee, Melinda, I missed so much going to a high school that was
>already integrated, and didn't need any help.

Yeah, I guess you're right.  Once a school has been integrated, it
must not have any more problems with racism, right?  Just like the
Union, of course.

I knew you were a homophobe, Clayton.  I didn't know you were racist
as well.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
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