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From: macole@next09csc.wam.umd.edu (Mario A. Cole)
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:56:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.165822.29253@talon.ucs.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu  
(Curt Vandetta) writes:
> In article <odu6Fbu00awMMJ62Fd@andrew.cmu.edu> et00+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Erich William Trowbridge) writes:
> >all detroit fans- 
> >
> >	You picked up one of the greatest pass catching TE's the world  
will
> >ever see. Jimmie was hardly ever used in Washington's offensive scheme,
> >but watch him to put up some great numbers for detroit. That boy  
catches
> >bbs in the dark.
> >
> >	I don't know what sort of signing bonus he got, but it wasn't  
enough.
> 
>       Detroit picked up a TE?  Does this mean they are planning on 
>       giving up the R&S in the red zone?  I heard talk last year that
>       they were thinking of going with a TE in the red zone.  Anyone
>       know for sure?
> 
>       Curt

From what I've heard thus far...they are modifying the run-and-shoot to  
something like Run, run, run, then shoot only when necessary.  I think  
with the addition on Jimmie Johnson, Detroit may have a redefinition of  
the run-and-shoot.  Think about it...now Barry Sanders will have a tight  
end to block for him....If they can use him on pass plays like Jay Novacek  
in Dallas...all I can say is "Please don't let them play the Cowboys  
again!!!"  :-)

Question:  What happened to Jimmie Johnson during the season?  He  
disappeared off the roster during the season and was never to be seen  
until plan B time.  

Cowboys in '92 - "Now Aikman, Smith, Irvin & Co. are shedding their  
diapers -- watch out!"

Can anyone out there give me some info on the Cowboys?...anything,  
everything...you name it...I want it.  It sucks living in an area that  
respects the Cowboys so much!  Help!!!!!!!!  

Mario
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How good is Bubby Brister????
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:48:00 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr10.120218.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> Bubby Brister,
> 
> 	How good is he really, aside from all the hoopla and opinions 
> is he really a total loss , after all he does play in the NFL.

He has had around 6 (?) years in the NFL and still plays like a dumb
rookie...not even like a GOOD dumb rookie.
> 
> 	Are his stats bad because of bad o-line or other factors. 
> could he would he perform better with a better o-line in front of 
> him and better coaching.
> 
> 
He makes bad reads, when he is pressured he throwds right to the defenders,
when he does have time he over or under throws his recievers.
> 
> 
> 	Can anybody out there confirm the rumors about the trade
> between the Raiders and Pittsburgh concerning Bubby Brister.
> 
> 
> 
I hope not!
> 
> 
> Silver & Black
> 
> 
> 
> doesn't is suck all these kids go home for spring break and I'm stuck here
> reading the NETNEWS. bummer

well, cheer up!
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1st 5draft predictions  NO WAY!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:04:12 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <53910@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, markn@salerno.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass) writes:
> 
>    Here is my guess for how the 1st 5 picks will go in the draft
> 
> 
> 1 & 2.) Colts - They need WR, OL, DL, DB and LB. 
>               Picks   Bob Whitfield OL
>                       Desmond Howard WR

What??? No way!  Irsay himself said Emtman and Howard are his choices.
You do not follow much do you?
> 
> 3.) L.A. Rams - They need DL, LB, DB, RB
>               Pick    Steve Entman DT
> 
Not a chance...the Rams are looking to trade up to get Emtman but the Dolts
say they won't, if they don't Gilbert goes to the Rams.  The Redskins are
supposedly also interested in going for Gilbert in a trade-up

> 4.) Cincinnati - They need DL, DB, LB
>                Pick    Troy Vincent DB
> 
A strong possibility 

> 5.) Green Bay - They need RB, DL, DB, OL
>               Pick    Sean Gilbert DE

No way does Gilbert fall through the hands of 3 teams that all would like to
have him.  
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <b_8t1_m@rpi.edu>, ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth) writes:
> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Apr10.233341.5323@wuecl.wustl.edu>, csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
>>> [Alot of stuff you aready read excluded]
>>> 
>>>> I would still pick Miami over NY.  If it doesn't make sense
>>>>to you then you ought to look at the two teams.
>> 
>>> Just wondering...Who did the Jets beat to get the Wildcard birth?
>>> 
>>> J-E-T-S--->JETS-JETS-JETS!
> 
> 
>>You excluded alot of my stuff...I said if one of te two teams was guaranteed to
>>unseat Buffalo I would pick the 'Phins because of explosive potential
>>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
>>But the Jets have already been playing up to or over their heads (IMO) and
>>until the get an explosive edge to them I do not see them going much further
>>than they did last season...maybe the could advance to round 2, but without
>>some home run threats, not much further.  Every other team that won a playoff
>>game had at least some explosive capability.  The Chiefs are the only
>>possible excaption because their explosiveness is on defense with Thomas.
>>The Lions, Falcons, Redskins, Bills, Broncos, Oilers, and cowboys all have
>>some potential for exploding, not the Jets.  I see the Bears in te same jam,
>>and the Broncos if not for John "Miracle" Elway.  Miami has marino and Clayton
>>and now Higgs...they lack D though so that is why NY won the game..like I said
>>the first time if Miami gets D help ..they will by far surpass the jets.
>>Brian Mulholland
> 
> The Giants were hardly "Explosive" and yet they have more rings than
> all the teams you mentioned (except Wash.)(recently not 70's)
> I'd rather be consistently good, than Explosive.  Consistency wins
> championships.  Being explosive and yet not exploding loses games
> and championships, (see Bills) .

I was talking about this year, but how about SF? they have a potent offense,
and are explosive, and you annot argue with their results.  The Skins are
the same, as are the Broncos...I never said a ball-control offense doesn't win

Allow me to make a clarification however...explosive can be Defensive as
well.  when the Giants had winning seasons they had a dominant D capable of 
big Defensive plays at any moment.  So it still stands under this
clarification.
> Explosive also means going three and out more often and is easier
> to defend against than marching down the field and battering the
> defense everytime you get the ball.  The Jets are a very balanced
> team, while Miami is one-dimensional offensively and pathetic defensively
> On the other Hand the Jets have no Glaring weaknesses.

              I was talking about the Miami/NY team's chances of
unseating the Bills next year and next year only...I posted something about
this as well.
Brian mulholland
Organization: Freshman, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:51:36 -0400 
From: Timothy Tim Murphy <tm3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GIANTS

In article <EdvQ9ki00awVN9rns0@andrew.cmu.edu>, sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Mic
hael White) writes:
> IF THERE ANY GIANTS FANS WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL
> WRITE BACK

Yes. The Eagles are fantastic, and it's cool that Giants fans want to
discuss it.

Tim Murphy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: imprint@watserv1.waterloo.edu (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: BUBBY BRISTER RUMORED TO BE TRADED
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr05.215859.8255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>The Brown and White out of Bethlehem reported in their weekly sports column
>that Bubby Brister will be traded sometime this week for Jeff George and wide
>receiver Billy Brooks.  Anyone else hear of this?
>-- 
>               TONY, TONY, TONY
>               BROADHEAD 312
>               758-1378

You must mean Bubby Brister plus about six or seven more Steelers.  For Georg
and Brooks?  You are nutso.

Peter Brown
These opinions are mine.
--
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:56:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr4.130733.2794@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes...
> In article <1992Mar30.184110.10419@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar30.164801.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes...
>>
>>>American football is crap. It is a fags game.If you want to play a real mans
>>>game try soccer or rugby.
>>
>>This is why we saved their butts twice twice in this century?
> 
> [put flame guard on]
> 
> Woah! Time Out here... OK his/her post is provocative, but that is NO reason
> to make such an arrogant and bigotted statement.  
> 
> [take flame guard off]

I see that the response to my response has generated a response so, 
although I had not intended to respond - I don't mind being called 
arrogant and bigotted - I guess I should (respond to the response that 
is).  :-)

First, I really don't think (even if it was serious) that my response 
could be called bigotted.  Arrogant maybe.  But bigotted - I don't 
think so.

Secondly, although there were no smileys in the message, clearly it's 
not meant to be taken seriously.  My signature, which you chose not to 
reproduce, said 'John "At Least Our Guys Were Long Pants" Heim'.  

Third, as Brian Muhullond (sp?) pointed out in his response to your 
response - the original message was a lot more pejorative than mine.  
You should be joining us in chastising him rather than wasting time on 
me.

Fourth, if I inadvertently offended anyone I apologize.  Perhaps this 
is a particularly sensitive subject for some people.  I'll try to be more 
aware of that in the future.

Fifth, if you disagree with any of these statements I think it'd be 
best if you sent me email.  

John "Alan Alda should be so sensitive" Heim        Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dickh@cleveland.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Subject: Re: 49'ers will be champions again!!!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:07:36 GMT

In article <12413@tamsun.tamu.edu>, fwt4290@summa.tamu.edu (TSAO, FREDDIE WEI) writes:
|>
|> Once again....49'ers ruke!!!!!!
|> 
|> Please post or mail reactions ar agreements to me.
|> 
|> 						Fred.

*ruke*?...according to Webster's, ruke is a latin term meaning "disappoint"...under this condition, I agree with you whole-heartedly.

DH
From: ug9229@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who is this Brister guy anyway?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:46:31 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

WHO IS THIS BRISTER GUY ANYHOW????

Didn't he get drafted for some  no-name team and fade into
obscurity because he couldn't throw an orgy in a brothel??

Anyway, dead or not, this trade thing has got to be a flame 
seeking missile.


Suckers never get blown.

                         TVM      See  Ya  
                                          S.G. 
                                              Edinburgh.......
                                                Probably the best University
                                                    in the world.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Cowboys
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:27:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.182034.19158@leland.Stanford.EDU> blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
>
>Its been mighty quiet out there on the Cowboys front!  
>Any news, draft predictions, opinions out there?
>

I agree!!!!  Doesn't anyone get Cowboy's news and is willing to share
it?  I will add my little knowledge to the pot, but it will be far
from full!  : 

1)  Practice squad players Mike Sullivan and James Richards are not
with the team any longer.  They were picked up by teams around the
NFL.  I think that Sullivan went to the Redskins of all places.

2)  The Pro Football Weekly that is out for this month (?) has their
draft preview.  It is worth picking up, but for what it is worth here
is their (Joel Bushbaum's) ideas on the draft for Dallas:

   1a)  Dale Carter, move him to corner although he is slower than most
and use him as a small safety as a fallback position.  Covers two
areas and lets there be less likelyhood of a bust ...

   1b)  Darryl Williams, S, Miami, one of JJ's favorite players at Miami,
underrrated because of his junior status.  Might go in top 5 next year
if not for the early coming out....

There has been a lot of talk about Dallas taking a wide receiver
pretty high, I guess that is meant to put a nail in Ace's coffin.

3)  Frank Cornish was listed by the Sporting News as one of the top
five plan-B pickups this year.  He is big, athletic, flexible, and
quick but he is very weak for his size.  He spent much of last season
on his rear according to them, and needs to work on his strength and
intensity to be an every down player.  He is a good long snapper and
has a shot at a starting job at guard, although he can play center,
which brings up topic #4...

4) Stepnoski (C) and possibly the best OL on the squad is looking at a
long holdout according to some sources.  That is why Cornish was
signed.  The signing of Cornish was done under wraps so as not to
spook Hellstrae (long snapper, OL) and Veingrad (G, T) who both were
not protected.  Stepnoski is the key to a good start for the OL and
the  Cowboys in general.  

5)  The Cowboys in the World League are not faring too well.  I have
no words on Mo Crum (MLB), but Tony Boles (RB) is not doing very much
behind two other backs in San Antonio.  He looks slow coming out of
the backfield and plays about 3 plays per game..
Craig Kupp (QB) was the third stringer for the Cowboys last year and I
am glad he didn't get in.  He is now the THIRD stringer for the Riders
in SA behind Brad Goebel of the Eagles and R.Johnson.  I have yet to
see him play a down this year..... *sigh*

6)  Ace WRight will be in the NFL's fastest man competition on June 6
on TV.  He was named the NFL's most fit (or athletic or best
conditioned or some such rot..) last year by some agency.  Yeah for
him.

7) Several other players besides Step may hold out including M
Irvin...

later

(more news requested from you guys)

*Dallas ice*



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.)
Subject: Re: Waymer to Raiders
Keywords: Waymer
Organization: MI
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:55:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.121727.1@vax.sonoma.edu> correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>Dave Waymer     db      SF
>
>The Raiders just picked up Dave Waymer from SF, I know he played 
>alongside Ronnie Lott with the Niner's, I am wondering if he's good enough
>to start on the Raiders Secondary, if I remember correct he played saftey
>this would mean he would be competing with LOTT and Anderson.  I 
>doubt seriously he could bump one of these two out of the starting roster.
>Also I suppose Sammy Seal will replace, Lional Washington and improve a
> the Corners with McDaniel. Looks like the Raiders are beefing up their
>secondary and will be tougher and LB.
>
>Does anybody on SF or a Niner die hard know how good Waymer is and 
>how does this effect the Niner Secondary?
>
>
>Silver & Black

I hadn't heard this, but if it is true, the Raiders will be able to
use his veteran experience to help out their young secondary.  Waymer
is getting older and slower (it happens) and can't play the run
with quite the same degree of force he used to, but there are very
few more football-intelligent dbs in the league.  How good has he
been in his career?  He, not Jerry Gray, has the most interceptions
off of Joe Montana in Montana's career; I'm also pretty certain
that he still holds the Saints' all-time record for ints.  I thought
at the time the Saints were pretty stupid for letting him go (in
Plan B -- where else?), but I understood the 49ers rationale: keep
him off of the field the same time Joe is.  Worked pretty well; the
very next year Montana set the all-time passer rating mark.  (Yes,
yes, I know, correlation, not causation, but I still thought the
Saints were pretty stupid.)

John Coryell.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth)
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:00:50 GMT

un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.233341.5323@wuecl.wustl.edu>, csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
>> [Alot of stuff you aready read excluded]
>> 
>>> I would still pick Miami over NY.  If it doesn't make sense
>>>to you then you ought to look at the two teams.
> 
>> Just wondering...Who did the Jets beat to get the Wildcard birth?
>> 
>> J-E-T-S--->JETS-JETS-JETS!


>You excluded alot of my stuff...I said if one of te two teams was guaranteed to
>unseat Buffalo I would pick the 'Phins because of explosive potential
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
>But the Jets have already been playing up to or over their heads (IMO) and
>until the get an explosive edge to them I do not see them going much further
>than they did last season...maybe the could advance to round 2, but without
>some home run threats, not much further.  Every other team that won a playoff
>game had at least some explosive capability.  The Chiefs are the only
>possible excaption because their explosiveness is on defense with Thomas.
>The Lions, Falcons, Redskins, Bills, Broncos, Oilers, and cowboys all have
>some potential for exploding, not the Jets.  I see the Bears in te same jam,
>and the Broncos if not for John "Miracle" Elway.  Miami has marino and Clayton
>and now Higgs...they lack D though so that is why NY won the game..like I said
>the first time if Miami gets D help ..they will by far surpass the jets.
>Brian Mulholland

The Giants were hardly "Explosive" and yet they have more rings than
all the teams you mentioned (except Wash.)(recently not 70's)
I'd rather be consistently good, than Explosive.  Consistency wins
championships.  Being explosive and yet not exploding loses games
and championships, (see Bills) .

Explosive also means going three and out more often and is easier
to defend against than marching down the field and battering the
defense everytime you get the ball.  The Jets are a very balanced
team, while Miami is one-dimensional offensively and pathetic defensively
On the other Hand the Jets have no Glaring weaknesses.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Dallas Rumor. *Danger Will Robinson Danger*
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na,local
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.205221.2917@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

>
>> eci (earth centered inertial)
>> 
>> and ice backwards.....
>
>I bet I know yer theme...Ice Ice Baby!
>Brian MUlholland
>Vanilla Ice sux!

*not a football related comment*

yyyyyyes, i agree completely about Vanilla Retch myself, my handle is
much older than that toilet paper rapper....

ice
From: apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Any Bills Fans...
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Do any Bills fans have any recent info about the team? I'm from Buffalo,
but I go to school in SmAlbany, and I havent heard a thing since the
Super Bowl, other than what I have read here. Whats the deal with the
coaching staff? I still have to pick the Bills in the East this year.
Thanks in advance for any information.  This group has helped me through 
the dark months between seasons.
Go Bills!

Tom Steegmann
From: peabo@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.j.bryson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JETS Fans??????
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:41:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsh.1992Apr13.184131.25100
Organization: AT&T

From article <d#yt#hr@rpi.edu>, by ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth):
> Are there any Jets fans out there?

J
E
T
S
JETS
JETS
JETS !!!!!!!!
Of course there are Jets fans out here.  And after this coming year
I'm sure the net will be filled with people who have been Jet fans 
"their whole life".....

###########################################################################
John J. Bryson || AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel || peabo@homxa.ho.att.com 
###########################################################################

   
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From: deluca@cs.albany.edu (Kevin Michael DeLuca)
Subject: SB XXVI Tape
Originator: deluca@pascal.albany.edu
Organization: The University at Albany, Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:42:40 GMT

I hope that someone can help me out there. I had SB XXVI taped in its
entirety on VHS but it somehow got corrupted and now it plays at different
speeds and is basically useless.

Does anyone have this year's Super Bowl on VHS and can you copy it ?
If anyone can do that for me I would really appreciate it. Of course I'll
pay for the tape and shipping charges.

Contact me through e-mail, thanks in advance.

Kevin

-- 
"Sometimes you're the windshield,            |  Kevin DeLuca
 sometimes you're the bug...		     |  SUNY Albany
 sometimes you're the Lousiville Slugger,    |  Computer Science
 sometimes you're the ball"                  |  deluca@cs.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ)
Subject: Re: 49'ers will be champions again!!!
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.171650.19044@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.150736.2582@odin.corp.sgi.com>, dickh@cleveland.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness) writes...
>
>>In article <12413@tamsun.tamu.edu>, fwt4290@summa.tamu.edu (TSAO, FREDDIE WEI) writes:
>>|>
>>|> Once again....49'ers ruke!!!!!!
>>|> 
>> 
>>*ruke*?...according to Webster's, ruke is a latin term meaning "disappoint"...under this condition, I agree with you whole-heartedly.
>> 
>
>Not only that but he said "there's no doubt the 49ers can loose".
>
>Freudian slips?  Maybe this guy is just covering up some deap seated 
>insecurities.
>
Ya gotta admit -- That was TOTALLY hilarious!  I nearly choked on
my apple reading that one!