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From: parnass@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Bob Parnass, AJ9S)
Subject: Re: 2M Glass Mt. Losses?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:06:31 GMT
Summary: punching a hole in car/truck for mobile antenna

In article <1992Jul28.200724.30510@europa.asd.contel.com>,
pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe) writes:

> So I wouldn't run off and drill that hole yet.....but, despite my
> experience with the on-glass antenna, I'd still drill the hole if you
> don't care about selling the car.

I understand the trepidation, but I think it's unfounded.
Unless you own a 'Vette or classic car, I've never seen any
proof that punching a clean hole in the car for an NMO mount has
any bearing on the resale or trade in value.

An NMO mount installed through a properly punched (or drilled) hole
in a metal car is better then a windshield, gutter, or a magnetic mount.
I use a series of twist drills and a chassis punch to make the hole.

If you're really worried about it, put a cellular phone antenna on the
NMO mount before selling your car and advertise it as a selling point.

Throw down your Blue Book and pick up a drill  :-)
-- 
==============================================================================
Bob Parnass, AJ9S  -  AT&T Bell Labs  -  parnass@ihlpm.att.com - (708)979-5414
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pitonyak@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pitonyak)
Subject: Re: Missing subject header
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:01:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.181153.5189@watson.ibm.com> uri@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In article <711996106snx@skyld.UUCP>, jangus@skyld.UUCP (Jeff Angus) writes:

>OK, fine. I'll use autopatch in such situation, and
>you walk to the nearest call box (about a couple of 
>miles), and let's hope you get hit, so less of such
>"experts" will be hanging around. Natural selection.

I suppose that if there is a call box fairly close 
(you decide where fairly close is) but in one of the
ARRL publications (I think it was Now Your Talking) 
they indicated that if your car has broken down then
by all means call a tow truck on the auto patch.

I have seen many people die while waiting in their car
after they broke down. (note: I did not see say
one car hit another as such but I have seen the
resulting destruction).

andy
From: tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: You've got it tough?
Keywords: Another fun thread
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:53:27 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

You say you've got it tough?

When I was a novice, we didn't have telegraph keys;

We ran A-0 emission, plugged our transmitters into the 
switched wall outlet, and stood by the doorway, toggling
the light switch.

I tell yah - it was rough!

--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
 NNNN NNNN ZCZC   |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: garym@telesoft.com (Gary Morris @pulsar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Deed restriction bans all ham antennas
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:06:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Distribution: usa
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA

In <2A6D9ADA.2179@ics.uci.edu> turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner) writes:
>In <10918@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.023736.968@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
>>|>
>>|> Is anyone else aware of a deed restriction that is so restrictive as to
>>|> flat out ban all ham antennas from a neighborhood?  

>>|> speculate as to what would be the best way to fight such a deed
>>|> restriction?

>>Why should you be able to fight them??  When you sign the deed, you are
>>agreeing with all the attachments.  You have no grounds to fight them.
>>You have to either have them removed before you buy or look for another
>>piece of property.  The restrictions constitute a contract that you are
>>willingly entering into.  

I'm not a lawyer but it was my understanding that any provisions in a
contract that violate the law are invalid.  I seem to recall a while back
when CC&R's existed that had provisions that said you couldn't sell a
house to people of certain races.  These provisions were declared invalid
because they violated laws against discrimination.

Wouldn't similar reasoning work for CC&R's that attempt to restrict antenna
height since they prevent you from installing an antenna as provided for by
Federal law?  What we need is a sharp lawyer on our side :-)
--GaryM
-- 
Gary Morris KK6YB             Internet: garym@telesoft.com
TeleSoft                      Packet:   KK6YB@W2XO or KK6YB@KC6NZN
San Diego, CA USA             Phone:    +1 619-457-2700 x128
From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: music over the radio
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:11:54 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles) says:
>Why is it everyone tries to ignore rules or find loop holes?
>If you simply checkout Part 97 you will find the following:
>97.115 Music prohibited.
>The transmission of music by an amateur station is forbidden.

>Now, how simple can you get!  It didn't list any exceptions ....

But notice that the transmission of information ABOUT music is
perfectly legal.  In other words, it IS permissible for me to
send via RTTY or packet or by speaking (not humming or singing)
the following:

    C D E F G A(440) B C
    E D C D E E E(long), D D D(long), E G G(long)
    E D C D E E E C D D E D C(long)

which is a rough transliteration of "Mary had a little lamb...."
In the same vein, I could send via SSTV or ATV a PICTURE of pages
of sheet music, which, again, is merely a transliteration of the
"real stuff" (music).  What is prohibited is the TONES of music.

(That may still leave open the question of bagpipes!-)
--Myron.
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From: tlanders@atlastele.com (Troy Landers)
Subject: Ham Radio in Europe
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:20:30 GMT


Hi.  I am new to ham radio.  I am currently studying for the non-code tech
license.  I will be purchasing a 2m handheld as soon as I get my license.
I have a question that none of my study books seem to answer...

My job occasionally takes me travelling internationally, particularly to
Europe.  In addition, there is a possibility that I may move to Europe for
an extended stay (~3 years).  My destination country will probably be
Germany, Switzerland, or Belgium.  Does anyone know if it will be possible
for me to transmit with my 2m radio?  Will I need to get a license in the
country that I end up in?  Do they even use 2m in Europe?  Also, do radios
need to be approved by the governments of Europe before use?  Is there
anything else I should know?

Thanks a lot for any help you can provide.

-Troy-

-- 
Troy Landers                                      EMAIL: tlanders@atlastele.com
Atlas Telecom                                     VOICE: [USA] 1+503.228.1400
4640 SW Macadam Ave.                              FAX:   [USA] 1+503.228.4434
Portland, OR 97201
From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:40:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <6979@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>
>Well, we have no-code. It was supposed to be the panacea. Where's the flood of
>10-year-olds we were promised?
>

  Who promised a flood of 10 year olds? I recall the argument was that
many people who could provide diverse technical contributions to amateur
radio were being kept out by the archaic CW requirement. Since the Technician
license was modified to eliminate the CW requirement, a large number of
interesting and technically diverse new hams have shown up on the local
repeater I use. These new hams are indistinguishable from the new hams
when CW was a requirement, and there are a lot of them. I haven't seen
a flood of 10 year olds, but I've seen a downpour of adults and teenagers.

-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (213) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * "Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"   *
From: jkasser@gsfcmail.nasa.GOV (Joe Kasser)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LL200EXE.ZIP - LAN-LINK 2.00 packet radio user software
Date: 22 Jul 1992 03:18:36 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.packet>
LL200EXE.ZIP    LAN-LINK 2.00 packet radio user software

Program: LAN-LINK Version: 2.00 (05/01/92)
filename: LL200EXE.ZIP

LAN-LINK is a Personal Packet Terminal Program for the TNC1, TNC2, KPC-2
and most of all a smart multimode digital communications controller for
the KAM, MFJ1278 and the PK-232. LAN-LINK is designed to optimize the
configuration of the TNC in each communications mode and to provide some
smart terminal features.

PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS: Function key and Menu driven. Expert system (ELMER)
in packet mode for building smart servers. Automatic logbook entries for
Packet and Mailbox/Beacon Mode AMTOR Connects, semiautomatic logbook
entries for other modes. Logbook file is dBASE compatible. Contest
operation, sends standard message and automatically increments QSO
count. Automatic optimized configuration of the TNC for each
communications mode. All mode Function key 'OVER' feature (End). There
are 10 files with fixed names (LAN-LINK.001 through LAN-LINK.010) which
may be viewed and transmitted by means of function keys. They may also
be edited from the Edit Menu. Set up of TNC for AMSAT-OSCAR Telemetry
reception. Time display and event scheduler. ASCII Text Editor.
Customizable Colors. Access to the TNC Command Mode is provided in case
the user wishes to override any defaults. Automatic capture-to-disk of
all packet radio connects. Automatic indication of the number of Packet
connects. Local Area Network (LAN) message store and forward capability.
Capable of automatic connect attempts to download a QTC from another
station in the LAN. Capable of automatic connect attempts to a packet
BBS to download your incoming messages, when your callsign appears on
the BBS mail beacon annunciator. Capable of automatically requesting
Bulletins on subjects that interest you from your local packet BBS.
Digipeat monitoring and capture. Alert signal to let you know when a
predetermined call shows up in a packet header on frequency. Conference
and Bridge modes in multiconnect situations. Indicator that a specific
station connected in Packet Mode, or linked to AMTOR Beacon/Mailbox
while you were away.

Automatic NET/ROM and KA Node path set up from directory file. Selective
answering machine and MAILBOX. Automatic contest (DX-pedition) mode.
Will call CQ repetitively and either work the connect and keep going
after disconnect or signal you when a reply is received. Zmodem binary
file transfer capability. RTTY SELCAL.

73 Joe.
- -
Joe Kasser
jkasser@gsfcmail.nasa.gov
From: noah@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip D. Noah)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX-440 Doc's needed
Summary: I don't like it when my backpack starts talking to me.
Keywords: DX-440 Help SOS Mayday
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:08:29 GMT
Organization: UB

Would someone be so kind as to send me the DOCs for the Radio-Shack Dx-440
shortwave recv. ? I bought one a few days ago w/out docs (of course)
and now the alarm keeps going off at 4.00 UTC (midnight local). Would someone
be so kind as to e-mail as to how to keep the alarm from going off and how to
set it. It would be nice to be able to sleep w/out the darn thing going off.
Thanks !


Philip Noah
SUNY Univ Center at Buffalo
Dept. Of Anthropology
380 Filmore (MFAC)
Amherst NY
noah@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Bob" Says...
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:51:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:

I wrote:
>>Right.  Think about it:  What if amateur radio was drawing new members 
>>continuously, an equal percentage of each age group?  That is, .01%/yr
>>of the 0-5 age group, .01% of the 6-10 year olds, .01% of 11-15, etc.
>>etc.  In a few decades, the average age of the ham population would
>>be much greater than the population at large.  Since most people keep
>>their ham licenses indefinitely once they pass the test, we will always
>>be older than the average.

>The average age disparity between hams and the general population is
>54 versus 34. Now your thought experiment is flawed because negligible
>numbers are entering our ranks from the youngest cohorts, and because

Thanks for reinforcing my argument.  You are saying that one reason
the ham population is older is that we (of course) are not attracting
3-year-olds into amateur radio.

>hams, on average, don't live as long as the general population. You've

Exactly the opposite.  Milham's famous study (the one that was purported 
to show that ham radio cuses cancer) nevertheless found that hams live
longer than the general population.  (Die less often from other things.)

>neglected to shrink the size of the older cohorts to account for death.
>When you do that, and discard the lowest age cohort, the average age of 
>hams should be 39.  ... 

Even with your assumptions, this is not true.  In a steady-state case
(where amateur radio has existed longer than the maximum life span),
the only way for the amateur age distribution to mirror that of the
general population would be for amateur licenses to be assigned at birth.
(Assuming that once licensed, people will continue to renew for the rest
of their life, a pretty good approximation.)  

AL N1AL
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: M16146@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Was 2M Glass Mt Ant. Now help w/instln
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:34:27 GMT

I'm for drilling a hole.  I have the bits, the drill, the courage, etc.
What I don't have is knowledge of how to bring the coax down to the radio
without an all-day job of dropping the interior upholstery, or worse yet
having a hole in the upholstery with the coax stringing through it. Any
hints/shortcuts?
Vern Eubanks, AA7EI
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Finding a used repeater.
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:03:05 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <23JUL92.17180609@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu writes:
>I am posting this for a friend.  His organization has been given a frequency
>pair for a repeater (158.355 and 153.??? Mhz, I don't remember the second
>frequency).  Apparently this falls under part 90 of the FCC regs and he can run
>up tp 100 watts.  He will be looking for a repeater at a hamfest this weekend
>and has been told that you can find used ones that put out 25 watts for
>$400-$500.  Is this reasonable?  What do 100 watt repeaters go for?  Are there
>any general guidelines for looking for a used repeater for this frequency or
>specific brands or models to look for/avoid?

The best deal I ever saw on a commercial repeater at a hamfest was a brand
new in the box Motorola Radius repeater (10 watt) complete with duplexer and
300 feet of hardline for $600 at Dayton last year. Normally you won't find a 
complete repeater at hamfests, certainly not current generation equipment. 

What you will find is a host of Motorola Micor, Mitrek, and the like 
commercial radios, plus a smattering of GE, RCA, Johnson, and other makes. 
If these haven't been hacked too badly, you can often *make* a repeater 
using their receiver and transmitter strips with a third party controller 
and a good duplexer. There will be a lot of older retired equipment, much 
of it tube type, available as well. This junk should likely be avoided for 
a commercial repeater installation. I saw a complete pre-Progress line GE 
repeater at the last hamfest I attended. It filled a six foot rack and the 
guy wanted $200 for it. There were no takers. New commercial band repeaters 
from commercial vendors go for $1200 to $1800 and up for 10 watt units. High 
power units cost more due to the extra amplifier and the stricter tolerances
on the required duplexer. Unless your friend has the services of a skilled 
technician, he should probably stick with these.

Gary KE4ZV
From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:15:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Jul20.181732.5319@cbnewse.cb.att.com> parnass@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Bob Parnass, AJ9S) writes:
>
>Perhaps "ham radio" should be in the organization name rather
>tham "amateur radio."  Illinois call letter plates used to say
>amateur radio but changed to ham radio a few years back.

Don't get your hopes up on this one, Bob. In case you hadn't noticed,
the League only uses "ham" as a pointer to "amateur" and always
capitalizes the term "Amateur Radio". 

While I'm at it, let me add that I agree totally with Jay Maynard's
posting. People like him and Phil and lots of others are active League
members (and in Phil's case, even on a technical committee) who are
working to take amateur radio forward instead of sitting on the sidelines
carping. I'm not by any means saying that you need to belong to the League
to do good things for ham radio, but for heaven's sake, quit making false
generalizations about those who are.


Patty

(FYI, I'm not--although I'm about to re-up. Both decisions were made
for personal reasons having nothing to do with whether I agree with
every League policy.)

-- 

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS	       Internet: winter@apple.com  ::	     
    ::   Sunnyvale, California	       AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44          ::
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Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.misc:13005 sci.electronics:13666
From: ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare KA1CV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
Subject: ARRL "RFI" Products Resource List - part 7 of 10
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:18:44 EDT
Organization: American Radio Relay League

The American Radio Relay League Technical Department is compiling a
directory of products that would be useful to an amateur experiencing
an interference problem. I am looking for additions to the companies
and products described in the attached list.

Please email any additions or corrections to ehare@arrl.org. Our news
feed has been a bit spotty of late and I don't want to miss any
information. 73, Ed

-----
Ed Hare, KA1CV                  ehare@arrl.org
or postal mail to ARRL HQ
-----

Telephone manufacturer contacts:

   AT&T National Sales and Service Center
   (800) 222-3111

   General Electric
   contact Thomson Consumer Electronics
   (800) 447-1700

   ITT - Technical Assistance
   (601) 287-5281

   Northern Telecom
   (919) 992-5743

   Phonemate
   (800) 247-7889
   (213) 320-9810

   Sanyo
   (800) 524-0047 ext. 502 or 520

   Soundesign Corporation
   (201) 434-1050

   Toshiba
   (714) 583-3700

-----
Ed Hare, KA1CV                  ehare@arrl.org
American Radio Relay League
225 Main St.
Newington, CT  06111            There is no limit to what you can 
(203) 666-1541 - voice          accomplish if you don't care who
ARRL Laboratory Supervisor      gets the credit. - Harry S Truman
RFI, xmtr and rcvr testing  
-----
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Readability, Signal strength" reports
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:21:42 EDT

dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM writes:
>jeffj@seeker.mystic.com writes:
>>How would one designate those CW signals that sound like Whoop whoop? A
>>RST with a W on the end? 8-)  Actually this is a semi serious question.
>>What are the technical reasons for these signals going whoop whoop? Almost
>>impossible to copy by the way.
>>
>You can fix it by retuning until the signal goes "weeoo-weeoo", or "wooee-
>wooee". :-)   Semi-seriously, I'd report it as a "C" for chirp.

Actually, the obvious solution is to connect a varicap across the receiver
LO and drive it from the AGC (possibly through an inverting op amp); add
a little fiddling with the AGC time constant, and voila! you hear a nice, pure
tone.

:-)

John, WB7EEL
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:12:29 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Have you ever seen what happens when a car travelling 60+ MPH on the
freeway hits a stopped car?  PEOPLE DIE, that's what.

The California Highway Patrol and many other such agencies consider a
car broken down on the freeway (even if it is out of the main traffic
lanes) to be an immediate threat to life or safety of property, which
is the definition of an emergency.  If you don't feel safe, make the
call.

Use the autopatch and call the towtruck to get you out of there.  If
(one chance in a thousand) you get a letter from the FCC asking about
it, just tell them you feared for your life.  In my experience, the
FCC, unlike most armchair ham lawyers, are reasonable people.

You are on the scene; you are best qualified to judge the urgency of the
situation.  Some drooling old fart sitting at home with his fat ass in
the easy chair second-guessing the degree of danger YOU are in clearly isn't.

Do what you have to.  It's an emergency!
	- Brian
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: meteo pictures
From: lunazzi@boifcc.cineca.it (Mauro Andrea Cremonini)
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:26:43 +0100

Does anybody know where it is possible to find pictures about
meteorological events (storms, daily maps and so on...)?
Are there ftp sites storing these pictures ?

TNX
Mauro

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|Dept. Organic Chemistry            |  ///\\\
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From: rpo@trsvax.tandy.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX-440 Doc's needed
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:32:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:acsu.buffalo.edu:3:trsvax:1787700014:000:591
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!rpo    Jul 24 16:32:00 1992


Philip -

To turn off the alarm:

Press TIMER so that STANDBY does not appear on the display.

To get a manual:

Go to any Radio Shack store and ask them to order one for
you. Or, call Tandy National Parts at 817-870-5600 and
you can order one direct using your credit card. You will
need to tell them the catalog number of the unit. This
number is 20-221x--where x is the letter following the
catalog number on the unit's rating label. Actually,
there were very minor changes to the O/M between versions,
so any version would work for you.

73....Paul Opitz  N5TPQ
Radio Shack Publications
From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  Morris is a cat
Date: 27 Jul 1992 15:14:33 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

No, wait!  Isn't "Morris" the Gary Morris who posts here?  Question is,
is he a 13WPM Morris, a 5 WPM Morris, or a 20 WPM Morris?  :)

Dube Todd            AB5AP         <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>