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From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer Report
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:20:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: 3cpu.4275
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <1992Oct1.174430.22647@SSD.intel.com> rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
[ In response to Robert Pack's restricted free agent status ]

>
>Heard this morning that Robert was offered $250K for his services this
>year.  He wants more, Blazers already have 12 signed to contracts and
>seem unwilling to negotiate.

 Well, it sounds like an agent. Pack was given an qualifying offer which
was the $250K - none of it guaranteed. Pack's agent is saying that he
wants an offer which includes at least some of the dollar amount guaranteed.
As far as his making the team, last year Portland cut a player with
guaranteed money to make room for Pack who earned his spot with his
play in fall camp. Portland may want to sign him if they feel they can
trade him. They can not trade him until they do sign him, and I would
think that they could probably a least get an extra second round pick
for him provided another team has a spot for a promising backup point
guard.

>
>Bye-bye Robert.  Good luck.

 Robert is one of a couple of interesting situations with the Blazers'
roster this fall. Have you got your tickets to the intrasquad game yet?

>-- 
>
>>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<


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Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:12:47 MST
 <6747@transfer.stratus.com> <1992Sep25.211406.22210@pdn.paradyne.com>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <1992Sep25.211406.22210@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
> In article <6747@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>>	Having three starters depart and having four new major contributors
>>arrive, in the course of one off-season is hardly 'stabilizing' the team!!!
>>
>>	Improved. Yes. Stabilize, No!!!
>>
> Improved? Yes. Stabilized? Yes.  Why?  Because people who, frankly,
> distracted this team on and off the floor from being what Pat Riley
> wanted them to be  (single-minded winners  who play basketball like
> he wants them to) are gone.  Period.

But then what will happen when New York (again) falls to Chicago in the
second round of the playoffs?  You can shuffle off a whole bunch of players
to bring in another whole bunch of so-called "winners" -- but what if
the winners don't win?  What was the point of the big shake-up?  Increased
ticket sales?

With the suddenly aged backcourt and questionable small-forward position,
it is clear to me that the Knicks are still full of holes.  They are the Utah
and San Antonio of the Eastern Conference -- a few outstanding All-Star
caliber players, but just as many holes that will keep them out of the
Final Two.  I foresee disappointment for Knick fans.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Chapman (Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills )
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <BvGA43.9II@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> 	If U think about it -- who in that HS class really has made
|> 	anything of himself?  Some other people from that HS class I can
|> 	think of are:  Rex Chapman, Fess Irvin, Earl Duncan, Stevie
|> 	Thompson, Brian Oliver, Brian Howard...  Each may have had decent
|> 	college careers -- but pro-wise

Mr. Chapman is still quite young, no? What was his rap in Charlotte?
I thought that he was the leading scorer there. Any stats?

Also, I noticed that nobody mentioned Hammonds in their Hornets 
lineup. He'll be a decent SF backup.

Thanks,
Ron
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Success in small markets
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:13:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Anybody else here notice a trend toward success in the smaller
markets?  The final four in the Western Conference will most likely
be Phoenix, Portland, Utah, and San Antonio.  (Maybe Seattle will
make an appearance.)  The Eastern Conference champion may be produced
by the mistake on the lake.  I think this is cool.  Anbody else?

Tony
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:51:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
NBA after an official retirement?
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Willie Horton (was Dems,Repubs;blk athlts)
Keywords: Barkley, Horton
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:42:27 GMT

In article <BvoHw0.5tA@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.025312.5081@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.205551.6070@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>>In article <198r3hINNm3a@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu 
>>>>(;;;;7202) writes:

....[stuff about charles & the willie horton ad deleted]...

actually the biggest loser in the infamous Lee Atwater ad was the baseball
player, Willie Horton.  Willie Horton played for the Detroit Tigers and was
quite a popular guy.  But then someone else had to have the same name....
 :-)

- nate
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From: bcacciol@encore.com (Lord of the Netherword)
Subject: Re: Shaquille/Sampson
Reply-To: bcacciol@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.172633.15023@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
> In article <BvnpBI.58@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Jazzy J ) writes:
> >
> >	Interesting to note -- after that 2nd season of 22.1 ppg, Sampson's
> >	scoring average dropped every season he played after that.
> >
> >	Trivia -- can someone name (without looking) the a player who played
> >	more than 8 years, and his scoring averaged dropped every year from
> >	his rookie season?

I swear I didn't look - it's Sidney Wicks. I think Sidney fessed up
about a drinking problem after he retired. All I know is I saw him
pour in an awesome 35 points in the Boston Garden in the late
1970s.

This was after an article was written about him where someone
called him a dog. Too bad - when he put his mind to it, he wasn't
half-bad

bc
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Heat Sign Miner
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:42:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

	Harold Miner, the Southern Cal guard and No. 12
selection in the NBA draft, Tuesday signed with the Miami Heat.
	Miner, 6-foot-5, is USC's all-time leading scorer and became the
second player in Pac-10 history after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to score more
than 2,000 points in three years.
	Miner made himself eligible for the draft as a junior after leading
USC to a 24-6 record. He led the Pac-10 with a 26.3 scoring average last
season. He also averaged 7.0 rebounds a game.
From: rpm@wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Clippers
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:12:16 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rpm@wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.wag.caltech.edu

	I've been lurking in this group for a while, and have really
enjoyed the discussion going on here, so I thought I would contribute
a bit on my own.

	The Clippers should be a strong team this year. IMHO they've 
made some mistakes in the off-season (losing Edwards!), but for the
first time since I've been following them they have a solid starting
5:

C:   Roberts / Polynice
PF:  Norman / Vaught
SF:  Manning / Ellis?
PG:  Jackson / Grant
SG:  Harper / ??

	Now a couple of questions:
(1) What kind of player is Roberts in the paint? He's big, but can he
take a ball at the low post without turning it over (cf. Polynice)?

(2) What kind of outside shooter is Jackson? He looked pretty good in
the playoffs against the Bulls. Outside shooting is still the Clippers
weakness.

(3) What kind of playmaker is Jackson? Harper, especially, depends upon
a great playmaker for his game. He has poor shot selection when he has
to think about it on his own, but can be awesome if he has someone to 
give him a great shot.

	And, finally, for a question completely unrelated to the Clippers,
whom did San Antonio pick up at Point after they lost Strickland? Can 
someone post a starting lineup for SA? (Robinson, Elliot, ... ?).

	Thanks in advance.

-- 
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ask questions later   	      			  rpm@wag.caltech.edu
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:02:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


I remember a couple of years ago Lakers  ( Riley ) were fined by NBA
for sitting out 2 starters, Magic and Worthy during the last ( unimportant)
game of the season. Those game when Magic will not play, it will be considered
sitting out a starter. How does that goes with NBA policy?
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: pervis ellison
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:27:49 GMT

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>Yeah, they can both shoot the three...they can both miss it too.  Both Adams
>and Chapman have lifetime memberships to the NBA Bricklayers' club.  Adams
>keeps shooting 40%, and Chapman not much more.  Adams has some three point
>records, but no one puts it up more.  His % was below 30% from three point
>range, which kind of sucks for someone putting it up that much.

	Adams might have a sucky percentage -- but he does throw it up so
	much that it eventually weighs itself out.  He has hit over 33% in
	his career, however -- and since U mentioned injuries -- if he can
	get back to, or above that level, I'd consider him dangerous.  He
	really can sink one at any time.  As far as Chapman is concerned --
	yes, he does throw up a lot of bricks -- but if U check out the
	stats, he has been improving at his FG% each year in the NBA.  It's
	just going to take him some time (albeit it may be long) to realize
	what's a good shot, and what's not.  Remember, he did shoot over
	50% his last year at Kentucky (believe it or not).
	
>Some of Adams decline after the all-star game can be attributed to injury,
>but the Bullets' perimeter game is really suspect if you're trying to count
>on these two.

	That's why the addition of Brent Price is going to help.  I believe
	he's just a bit less of an outside shooter than his brother Mark.
	But this is a guy who once hit 11 3's in a collegiate game.  He
	could be a vital addition...

	Jazzy J
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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's Back
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:29:24 GMT
Organization: Organization

In article <1992Sep30.060835.29204@nuscc.nus.sg> art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:
>Note: if the Lakers need a clutch play down the wire...ka-boom They will
>blow it, as they did often enough last season. Worse still, the rest of
>the team might feel pissed that Magic will get royalty treatment because
>of his HIV and unretirement status.



  Not to mention his enormous salary (14.6 million)
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:31:14 GMT

The Chicago Tribune reports that Trent Tucker has signed a non-guarenteed
contract with the Chicago Bulls.  Tucker, 33, says this is a dream of a
lifetime.  He was close to signing with a team in Italy, but excitedly 
took the Bulls offer.  He would be back-up to Jordan and is a decent 
three point shooter (taking the place of Hodges).  Commenting on having
to guard Jordan in practice, Tucker commented "Better than in a game, we
are on the same side now!!!"  The acquistion of Tucker leaves the 
reaquiring of Hansen in limbo.  (Before the flames begin about Hansen, he
was released at the end of the year, but the plan was to resign him for
less money)

Anyone know about Tucker's defensive ability??????
If he is decent at D, the Bulls are ready for the three-peat!!!!

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From: dla@westford.ccur.com (Dave Anderson)
Subject: British odds on the championship...
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:27:56 GMT


  Partial listing of Britain's legal bookmakers' odds 
  on capturing the 1993 NBA Championship:

          Chicago       3-2
          Portland      7-2
          San Antonio   6-1
          Cleveland     6-1 
          Golden State 10-1
          Utah         10-1
          Boston       14-1
          New York     14-1
             ...
          LA Lakers    33-1  (up from 50-1 after Magic's announcement).

  Anybody have access to the Vegas odds for the championship?

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Rumor (Here we go again!)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:58:58 GMT

In article <5859@news.duke.edu>
radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
 
>Pete Vecsey today in McNews reported that the Worm himself met with the Pistons
>CEO last week, and it was decided that the club would try to trade him.
>The most immediate offer is a straight-up trade with Sacramento for Wayman
>Tisdale.  I think that the Kings would certainly get the better end of this
>proposed deal.
 
The deal the Pistons want is Rodman and a 1st rnd pick in '93.
That would give them *three* 1st rnd picks in all!
 
I'd hate to see Rodman go, but If he's unhappy...well at least I get
to mention once more that he didn't retire.:)
 
--Eric
 
Does the exclamation point count as a "woof" this time?
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:07:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <6830@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>mmmh... Some of the things claimed on this net....
>0.7 ppg *7games= 4.9 pts total....
>
>Makala

oooohhhhh..some of the things claimed on this net....

    0.7 == 0.70000000000000000000000000000000000

- nate
(5/7ths of the time i'm sure that 71.4% of our audience would agree)
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:42:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <38933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>
>A frightening thought just occurred to me:  if Magic plays two more
>seasons and then retires (for real) before the 94-95 season, does
>this give the Lakers a $7.3 million exception that they can use to
>go out and sign, say, four players at $1.825 million each?  Could
>this be the gaping loophole in salary cap rules that West and Buss
>have discovered?
>
This could not happen.  They would have a $7.3 mil hole, but they could not
break it up.  They would need to use it on one player (not all of it obviously)

C Squared
Xref: sparky rec.sport.basketball.pro:17712 rec.arts.anime:20782
From: byonef@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Fred Byon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro,rec.arts.anime,purdue.general,purdue.cc.general
Subject: How to change data files in APBA Pro Basketball
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:36:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

After seeing the ad in the 1992-93 (and previous) editions of Street and 
Smith's Pro Basketball and the posts about the game in rec.sport.basketball.pro,this morning I ordered the APBA pro basketball computer game for my IBM PS/2.
I was wondering how it was possible to "hack" one of the team data files (get
into a file and change the players).  I was told through email that the team
players cannot be changed or added within the game itself,
but it can be done though hacking one of the files.
Can someone either tell how to do this or send me
some kind of software that can allow me to do this (the game is NOT copy
protected, BTW).

There is a reason why I'm posting this in rec.arts.anime.  If you are not
reading this in r.a.a. and you don't follow Japanese animation at all, feel
free to hit "n" now...


With APBA, I am planning to put together the all anime/manga basketball team
and see how they fare against the best (and worst) of the National Basketball
Association.  Here it is:

Power Forward:  Priss (BGC)  (Remember she beat up Wesley Crusher in BG Trek)
Small Forward:  Madoka Ayukawa (KOR)
Center:  Ryo Saeba (City Hunter)
Point Guard:  Kyosuke Kasuga (KOR)   (He'll probably just throw the ball away
                                      every time)
Shooting Guard:  Kei (Dirty Pair)

THE RESERVES:

Sylia Stingray (Center) (BGC)
Nene Romanova (Small Forward/Point Guard)  (BGC)
Yuri (Small Forward/Point Guard)  (Dirty Pair)
Leon McNickol (Power Forward)  (BGC/AD Police)
Falcon (Power Forward/Center) (City Hunter)
Annapuna (sp?) (Shooting guard/either forward position) (Dominion)
Enrique Conty (Any position he wants to play) (a reader of rec.arts.anime)

(Hmm...funny to note that this team is mostly female...)

Is there anyone that should be on this team that isn't?  And is this team
capable of beating the NBA World Champion Chicago Bulls?  Post or mail your
opinions!

Fred Byon
Author of Bubblegum Trek - "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before!"
byonef@sage.cc.purdue.edu

(PS Even if they lose all 82 games, it would still be pretty funny!)
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: John Starks Forgot About
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:46:45 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <BvB1ps.Mx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>
>>In article <Bv5LEq.6w2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>> 
>>> 	but hardly superb.  
>
>>Let's see...if Dana hits 44 of 100 3-ptrs, he scores 132 points for his
>>team. He'd have to hit 66 of 100 2-ptrs -- or shoot 66% -- to score the
>>same amount from that range. Now, even given that he misses out on some
>>FTs from 3-pt land, I'd still say that his production from there is very
>>respectable, and even superb.
>
>	Well, what I was referring to was that for 44% to lead the league,
>	it was a rather low percentage.  If U look back at previous league
>	leaders, U had people like Jon Sunvold at 52% (granted, he didn't
>	take all that many 3's), but U also had people like Trent Tucker
>	and Craig Hodges who used to lead the league at a 49% clip, which
>	is definitely superb.  
>

Well, just as a small point...  Hodges shot 49% 1 time.  His other time 
leading the league, he only shot 45%,  I don't think Tucker ever led the
league, but he also made it as high as 45%   As a comparison, this is the
list of All-Time leaders in 3pt percentage (career, with 250 made minimum)
	1. Mark Price		41.8%
	2. Hersey Hawkins	41.4%
	3. Trent Tucker		40.9%
	4. Craig Hodges		40.2%
	5. Dale Ellis		40.0%
	6. Danny Ainge		38.7%
	7. Reggie Miller	38.3%	
	8. Byron Scott		38.0%
	9. Larry Bird		37.3%
	10.Terry Porter		37.0%

Price has shot 48% once, and never over 45% otherwise.
Hawkins has never been above 43%
Ellis made it to 47.8%, but never more than 42% otherwise.
Ainge has only made it to 44%.
Miller has not been above 41%
Scott has gone to about 43% a couple of times, but not over.
Bird, he has made it to 41%, buy no higher.
And Porter, he has gone as high as 40%.

And, if you look at the league leaders over the last few years, you get
Griffith 	84 - 36%
Scott    	85 - 43%
Hodges   	86 - 45%
Vandeweghe	87 - 48%
Hodges		88 - 49%
Sundvold	89 - 52%
Kerr		90 - 50%

So, yes, a 44% leading the league is not GREAT, but it is still very 
respectable, and is still great unto it's own.  He can't help it if no
one else shot as high...
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