HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: re: use a KILLFILE
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:18:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'd like to respond to all the net.dictators who have so graciously set up
rules of life for everyone else to follow, especially regarding killfiles.

The situation that came up that sparked all this was the invasion of the
alt.folklore.ghost-stories feed by a group of morons who wanted to use the
feed for continually reposting junk about Cthulhu.  Usually the same jokes
over and over.  As a result, the traffic in the group dropped off a lot, I got
a lot of mail from the people in the group asking if there wasn't something we
could do to get the Cthulhu (or Cthulu, as they often misspell it) jerks out
of the group, and even a bunch of lurkers who liked to read the stories but
not post a lot spoke up and said "can't you make them leave?"

I recalled that a Cthulhu oriented group had been proposed in alt.config some
time back but had never been created and I reopened the discussion, noting
that there seemed to be considerable interest in Cthulhu as evidenced by the
invasion of the a.f.g feed, and of course the usual control fanatics spoke up
and said "under no circumstances should you create this group.  use a kill-
file, goddamnit."

To which I responded, "1, not everybody has the resources and wherewithal to
use killfiles,"  "2, by your argument, off topic messages in ANY group are
okey-dokey, no matter what they do to the volume of on-topic traffic," and "3,
for Christ's sake, stop telling people who want to create a new group that
because the wonderful things called killfiles exist, you have no right to
create any new group of any sort."

The flames proceeded to erupt thereafter...

I don't really care what the people who keep posting about it being up to me
if I want to drive without windshield wipers.  The analogy doesn't apply.

All we wanted in this case was to create an alt.fan.cthulhu group so the
morons would have someplace to go post.  It is *not* the responsibility of the
victim group to wear blinders so they don't notice the invaders.   Aha, you
say, there's a line I can quote out of Joel's message and compose some witty
reply to!  Wrong.  Read on.

If the ultimate answer to off-topic invaders in your newsgroup is "use a
killfile" then for Christ's sake, what do we have newsgroup charters for?

Hmmm?
Xref: sparky alt.config:6183 rec.music.industrial:11702 alt.music.alternative:12563 alt.thrash:1585
From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:20:32 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus


Be careful, hardcore means a fast techno-like dance music to a lot of people.
-- 
+---------------------------------------------------+
| David Stevenson  djs@jet.uk   Tel: +44 235 465028 |
+---------------------------------------------------+
- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: not everybody reads USENET
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:55:36 GMT

So what?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Where is alt.foodnotbombs
Summary: Look for alt.org.food-not-bombs
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 14:29:17 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

> andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory) writes:
> 
> >I understand that this newsgroup was created.
> >I do not see it.
> >Why?

It's called alt.org.food-not-bombs


rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes:

> 
>  *plonk*

Nice try. Followups to misc.test? Plonker.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial
From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Subject: Re: CERATE alt.guitar.hardcore 
Organization: Music of the Ages
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:10:11 GMT

fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:


|The distinction between Grunge and other related sounds from hard
|guitarbands has dissappeared. What is Helmet, Melvins, Therapy? ?
|Hardly what I, nor many people working at our local radio station,
|call Grunge. Guitar hardcore encompasses Grunge.  Mudhoney, TAD, and
|Monkeywrench are grunge bands. Where do you fit Soundgarden?  Heavy
|metal I suppose? Well they don't consoder themselves Heavy metal. What
|about bands like Ministry, Skrew and Malhavoc? Industrial-Hardcore?
|How about Lard, Neurosis, Nomeansno, Les thugs, Babes in Toyland,
|Silverfish?  None of these bands is either Punk or Grunge according to
|my definition. Why exclude them?

	I'm not against excluding these people. However, what you have
here is a cross-posting nightmare because hardcore just isn;t very
well defined. If this froup is made, where do I post my query on
Ministry? r.m.i, a.rnr.m, a.rnr.m.h, a.th? Most of the bands you
mention can fit into a category that has already been given. Most of
the other ones can be squeezed into a category already present. Right
now, I find this proposal mindboggling actually. This is a proposal to
make a group that is more broad and will take posts from numerous
categories, rather than one that will break up an existing groups.
Anyone wanna guess how long it will take before the first "This isn't
Hardcore" flame?

|Alt.guitar.hardcore is a broad category that presently doesn't exist.
|Why should the many people who like this style of guitar music, which
|is played hard, be subjected to scouring three or four other music
|groups and searching through all the uninteresting posts to get
|information on some band which could be considered "Hardcore".

 	Too broad, a crossposting nightmare, and a terrible name.
Please, if you are going to create this group, put it in the right
hierarchy. alt.rnr or alt.music will do just nicely. Although, Let me
be the first to tell you that wherever you put it, there will be
flames, and in mere weeks we will have another discussion on where to
put some undefinable type of music some place else.

|Can some Kind news administrator please CREATE alt.guitar.hardcore. Or
|do I need a petition.

	Hell, if you learn a bit, you can send it out yourself.

Cousin It                                          cuz@cs.brandeis.edu
"This is like saying how likely am I to jump over a tall building in a
  single bound - unlikely. This is like asking is lightning going to
      strike here in the next two seconds - I don't think so"
   -Ross Perot, on whether he'll re-enter the Presidential race

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: alt.horror.cthulhu
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:25:16 GMT

Has alt.horror.cthulhu been newgrouped?  I saw several messages indicating
that it would be if there were no serious objections, but I haven't heard 
whether it's alive and kicking out there.
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal new alt.pub group
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:17:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <Bw6J23.EKp@uunet.uu.net> tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
>In <1992Oct15.002734.15912@ucc.su.OZ.AU> pope@physics.su.OZ.AU
>(The Nightstalker) writes:
>
>   As the creator of the idea for alt.pub.dragons-inn, I see no reason
>   why a group that is aimed more at the sci-fi genre should not exist.
>   I give it the big yes.
>
>They call it alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo.

I think alt.pub.havens-rest would be more of a shared universe kind of
thing, wherein "players" interact and plan moves w/ each other. alt.c.
chatsubo is dedicated more to stand-alone stories w/ a cpunk flavor.

Given the amount of creativity and dedication that's been put into
Dragon's-Inn, I'd say go for it. ( Even if you hadn't had time to read
some of the ongoing shared storylines, you should try to check out 
the ADMIN postings detailing the world of Generica. Extremely interesting,
and ripe for transporting to RPG's. )

Chua
+==+
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
	Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans.
							- John Lennon
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+

Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
From: pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:20:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.203953.13469@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> dabrown@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>In article <BvuG27.MqG@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:
>> Following the strong support from a.m.a and r.m.i for the creation of
>> a group dedicated to discussing the recent rise of hard loud guitar
>> music (often generically called hardcore). I propose the creation
>> of a group dedicated to discussing this style of music.
>> 
>> alt.music.hardcore
>> 
>   
>     Check out alt.skinhead.
>

*-----------*

The music discussed in alt.skinheads is mainly ska, which bears no
resemblence to hardcore.

The music discussed in alt.thrash is mainly the different varieties of
heavy metal, which bear no resemblence to hardcore.

There is a mailing list which deals with punk/HC music, the punk-list, and
there is a mailing list which deals which the straight-edge sub-genre of
hardcore music, sxex-list.  Is there a reason that a newsgroup is needed?

-- 
   "Life is inhuman when you are too old to be young." -Bill Nelson
   --------------------------------------------------------------------
  /       Paul Silver          /         Dischord Records            /
 /     pauls@tellabs.com      /    putting the D.C. in harDCore     /
--------------------------------------------------------------------  
   All opinions expressed are strictly my own, unless I stole them.
Xref: sparky alt.config:6216 rec.games.frp.misc:6908 rec.games.frp.advocacy:2808
From: mcwalla@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.games.frp.live-action
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:36:31 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

With all due respect to Arthur, I'd have to cast my vote against the creation ofalt.games.frp.live-action for the following reasons.

First, both ILF/SIL (IL) and IFGS already have mailing lists.  The IFGS
mailing list is fairly heavily used, but the IL mailing list is nearly
dead.  IL appears to be a relatively novel, form of recreation, which
is not popular enough to merit a newsgroup.  Even among those (of us)
who are interested in IL, there would be limited readership, assuming
that the proprotion of IL to IFGS traffic remains the same.

Second, I don't believe that there is enough similarity between IL and
IFGS.  Many activities are carried out under the banner of Live Action
Roleplay, but few have anything in common save the name.  If LARP is
added to the hierarchy, I'd prefer to see alt.games.il, and
alt.games.larp.  ( I don't believe that IL is properly under the banner
of larp; IFGS has more of a claim to the name in my opinion, but I admit
that is a political/religous issue).

Third, there is insufficient traffic in the alt.games.frp newsgroup
which touches on LARP/IL topics to justify splitting off.  a.g.f is an
excellent recruiting source  (it was one of the reasons I joined).
Splitting off the newsgroup would reduce the recruiting effect.

Finally, I thought that an RFD had to go through the alt.newsgroups (or
some other newsgroup).

Vale,
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.misc
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: killfile
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:20:41 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan):
>[Don't] assume that everyone has the time and the money to go out and
>buy their own computer and modem and outfit it with their own newsfeed.

As for me, I assume no such thing.

I do, however, assert that anyone not willing or able to take the
above-mentioned steps would be well served to STOP COMPLAINING.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
    "My favorite phenomenon is when someone mails me or posts to this
     group, either calling me a newbie or telling me that my postings
     are not relevant to alt.non.sequitur."           -- Matt Welsh
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: proposal: alt.fraternity.kdr
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:25:25 GMT

In article <BvzA4C.5p3@news.udel.edu> jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) writes:
>Kappa Delta Rho is a fraternity who's membership is filled with
>EE/CE/EE/CIS majors, and we'd like to have a newsgroup where we
>can just keep in touch.
>
>I realize that this may seem like a closed-group idea, but it's not.
>Anyone would obviously be welcome to discuss whatever they like.

How about "alt.org.kdr"? And also, such a group should only be created within
NA. Of course there's no real way to control that.

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "Yow! Up ahead! It's a DONUT HUT!!"
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
From: d90-two@hemul.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.082032.24591@jet.uk> djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:
>
>Be careful, hardcore means a fast techno-like dance music to a lot of people.

Unfortunatly yes... how about alt.rock-n-roll.hardcore?

IMO, if such a newsgroup is created, then alt.thrash should be abandoned.
The difference between "hardcore" and "thrash" seems to lie in where you live
(not talking about Thrash Metal here), and the Metal part can go to to
alt.r-n-r.metal* groups.
A Death Metal group? Maybe, but is there enough Death Metal traffic to
warrant an own group? Could be. I wouldn't object if someone creates it
anyway...

-- 
 _.^._  |\_|\_|\ V2.0 /|_/|_/|"There's no tomorrow,           |
[_<X>_] Thomas Wolmer        | just sadness and sorrow        |
  !_!   d90-two@nada.kth.se  | Hold on to the Ancient Dreams" |
  IOI   Angantyr on IRC      |  - Candlemass "Ancient Dreams" |
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: killfile
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:01:37 GMT

In article <zebee.718615653@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>Anyone who has an account on a machine with a full Internet connection
>>may get an account on Portal, Netcom, the Well, the World, or any
>>other for-pay service which supplies their users with a full range of
>>newsreaders.  If money is a problem, they may even get an account on
>>the Cleveland Freenet, the FSF machines, or the Turing project (and,
>
>Please don;t show your US bias.

Who cares?  If you are fully connected to the Internet, you may telnet
to any of these machines as simply as you might to the workstation
down the hall.  If it really bothers you that there are few well-known
public access systems in Australia, that's your problem, not mine.

>Besides, why have charters at all, if killfiles are all that is required?

A KILL file is no substitute for a well-defined set of newsgroups.
However, Usenet being what it is today, trying to get along without
either KILL files or a threaded newsreader -- or both -- is
astonishingly limiting.  If you get along without them, that's your
choice, as long as there are alternatives.

I've already covered "charters" in a different post.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Create alt.music.dub.ambient
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:35:12 GMT


I just got a compilation of ambient dub music.  It is the only such CD I own.
I would like to create a newsgroup to discuss this form and the CD that goes
with it.  After that I would like to create the following newsgroups:

	alt.music.choir.strong
	alt.music.techno.kind-of-acidic
	alt.music.house.school.old
	alt.music.HiNRG
	alt.music.garage.house
	alt.music.garage.bands
	alt.music.garage.grunge
	alt.music.garage.punk

Thank you.
-- 
		       "I'm Slash man, Slash!" - Slash

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Xref: sparky alt.config:6223 rec.games.frp.misc:6927 rec.games.frp.advocacy:2820
From: IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Society for Creative Solipsism)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.games.frp.live-action
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:25:44 GMT
 <1992Oct13.223631.28172@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
Organization: University of Maine System

I would be supportive of such a group.  However, I would hope that
some discussion of Renisannce (I know I misspelled it -- it's been
a long day :-) Festivals would be allowed, since the crux of such
things is Improvisational Interaction.  Renn Faires make *good*
training grounds for live role play, especially for Playtrons
(Patrons who show up in Garb and and interact with the cast).

This is one of the few situations where prospective LRP players
(especially NPCs) could get some background and training, if you
work there.  I'd hate to see it banned from discussion.

Regardless of how people would react to this suggestion, I support
this group.
--
Eric Alfred Burns, Lord Sabre            "Faith is a fine invention
Society for Creative Solipsism            When Gentlemen can *see* --
"It's all in your mind"                   But *Microscopes* are prudent
IK20001@maine.maine.edu                   In an Emergency."
|-}----------                                     --Emily Dickinson
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: alt.lemurs
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:57:12 GMT

I apologize for posting that email... if you don't know what I'm referring
to, it's just as well.  I thought it was funny and posted it in a spate
of giddiness.

Seriously, though... there are a good number of people who've emailed me
saying they'd like to see an alt.fan.lemurs.  I can't newgroup it, but
if there are no objections, would someone else do so?
From: pugwash@yaya.WPI.EDU (Student Pugwash)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal: alt.pugwash
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:01:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

About Pugwash:

Pugwash is an international organization founded by and dedicated to the
ideals of Albert Einstein and Bertrand Russell in relation to the creation
of rational technology policy.  Student Pugwash USA has chapters in many 
High Schools and Universities, and there are similar organizations for
educational chapters in other countries.

At the 1992 Pugwash Chapter Organizing Workshop, it was decided, and thus
voted, that a UseNet newsgroup should be created for discussion of Pugwash
related topics.  It was further decided that I should try to create this
newsgroup.

Pugwash believes that people will make proper decisions if they think about
the social implications of their actions.  To this end, Pugwash suggests
open discussion about ethical concerns without excluding people for a supposed
lack of knowledge on their part.

About the alt.pugwash newsgroup:

It would be a forum for people to bring up and discuss a wide variety of
Science, Society, and Technology issues.  Some sample topics discussed at
Pugwash meetings are:  Biotechnology, Overpopulation, Environmental
Pollution, and Biodiversity.  Many other topics lend themselves to Pugwash
discussion as well.

please post or email comments to me so we can get some sort of consensus
about whether people here on the net think the creation of an alt.pugwash
newsgroup would be a good idea.

thanks,
Stephen Foskett
NE Co-Chair, SPUSA
pugwash@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:59:29 GMT

In article <y2gpmga@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>Have you emailed the Cthulhu-
>heads telling them to stop?  When they ignored you, did you email their
>admins explaining that they had users onsite who were intentionally
>violating a newsgroup's charter?

And if he did, did they say, "Booga booga booga?"  A newsgroup charter
is not some sort of holy writ that users are expected to abide by or
lose their thumbs.  It is a document indicating what may be considered
polite and what may be considered impolite on a particular newsgroup.
Saying that someone "violated a newsgroup's charter" is Newspeak for
saying that they were being rude, which rather deflates any such
formal complaint.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Create alt.music.dub.ambient
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:00:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.173512.15028@javelin.sim.es.com>
pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
 
>I just got a compilation of ambient dub music.  It is the only such CD I own.
>I would like to create a newsgroup to discuss this form and the CD that goes
>with it.  After that I would like to create the following newsgroups:
>
>        alt.music.choir.strong
>        alt.music.techno.kind-of-acidic
>        alt.music.house.school.old
>        alt.music.HiNRG
>        alt.music.garage.house
>        alt.music.garage.bands
>        alt.music.garage.grunge
>        alt.music.garage.punk
 
But there already *is* an alt.rave!
 
I've never seen any of those types of music discussed there, but I'm sure
such talk would be welcome. The sandbox is big, jump in and take a bite
of the pie! I won't flame you, but I probably won't help you either.
 
Additionally, I'd suggest that you listen to your favorite music while
on E and in the company of 1000+ persons. (More info can be found in alt.rave)
To do otherwise would be unmutual....we'd have to report you for that.
 
Alt.rave is for peace & unity, just don't tell those dorky south-siders or
guidos about it, or it'll lose that chic underground appeal.
 
--Eric
 
party party party drugs drugs drugs rave rave rave underground underground
underground unity unity unity no guidos no guidos no guidos wear anything
wear anything wear anything no sox jackets no sox jackets no sox jackets
techno techno techno who's kraftwerk? who's kraftwerk? who's kraftwerk?
no poseurs no poseurs no poseurs try not to look dorky try not to look dorky