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From: dave@das13.snide.com (Dave Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Forwarding & Vacations
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:20:19 GMT
Organization: Snide Computer Services - Folcroft, PA

In article <1993Jan7.212755.8073@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> fprice@hamilton.edu (Frank Price) writes:
} Rumor has it that it is possible to have a message sent automatically in
} response to incoming mail.  For example: "I'm on vacation out of town
} until the 23rd."
} I couldn't find anything in either the man pages or the Elm manual.
} Could someone tell me if this is possible and if so, how to do it?
} 
That's not a rumor.  You must have an MTA that supports mail-to-pipe.
Examples of such an MTA are: sendmail, smail3, etc.  Using sendmail for
example, create a ".forward" file in your home directory that has this:

\fprice, "|/usr/ucb/vacation -a price fprice"

This will put mail in your main mail box and send a copy to the vacation
program which does the automagic response thing.  "vacation" is available
at your favorite anonftp site if you don't already have it.

} A related question: how to have mail automatically forwarded somewhere
} else?
} 
Create a ".forward" file in your home directory that has this:

frank@my.home.machine

Or whatever, you get the idea.

DAS
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David Snyder @ Snide Computer Services - Folcroft, PA          Current Release
                                                               is db4glgen-3.9
UUCP:  ..!uunet!das13!dave   INTERNET:  dave.snyder@snide.com
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ">From " lines and "corrupt folder" msg
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:08:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlantis.&?g1Hmq0-b
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute

In article <9301090452.AA17680@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>Let's assume the BODY of an item contains a line answering exactly
>to the syntax of the "From " line, with a blank line preceding it,
>plus some other header lines (the author is giving an example of
>some header lines), and a trailing blank line.
>The receiving software will prefix that "From " line with a ">".
>Assume the user grumbles and edits the item, removing that ">"
>because he knows it doesn't belong there.

As a first line of defense, any "mailbox editor" should not allow this
to occur.  One good reason to not enable elm's E)dit mailbox function.
It's too dangerous, of little practical use, and annoying when you
hit 'e' accidentally.  I'd much prefer a system where you can edit
individual pieces of mail safely, rather than entire mbox.

>When he then references the folder containing that item, there will
>now be one more item than before, right?

Probably.

>Or does "elm" understand that this is still the body of that item?
>I hope the latter...

One can never be sure what will happen when someone corrupts an mbox.
Assuming the situation described above, I can't see how elm could be
able to tell if the message was part of the body or a new message.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
End of article 2565 (of 2565)--what next? [npq]
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Problems in elm2.4 PL20
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

dean@coplex.com (Dean Brooks) writes:
>2.  Do the following commands exactly as they are shown:

>	a.  Enter elm by typing "elm" at the UNIX prompt.
>	b.  Hit 'a' to enter the alias screen.
>	c.  Hit 'x' to immediately leave the alias screen.
>	d.  Press 'RETURN' to read the highlighted message.
>	e.  Press 'i' to return to the main index screen.
>	f.  Press 'x' to exit elm.

>	When I do these exact commands in this order, I get:

>		Bus Error signal!

Yup, apparently on many architectures, it catches my cleanup bug
and on mine it allows it.... Wonderful.... more fodder for the
next patch.  (its asking the verify questions and it gets
upset.  (Use X for now)
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL20
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: dps@delhi.esd.sgi.com (D.P. Suresh)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: How to make an alias to a group of people
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:29:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


Go into the aliases option.
Them m)ake a new alias. Give the alias name, alias full name
and when you come to the address part, give a *blank* separated
list of addresses of all the persons in the group (say your classmates).

If this is too big, (tooo big aliases cannot be accepted by elm)
and you find it tiresome to key in all addresses, there is a
file $HOME/.elm/aliaes.text. The format of this file is:
<aliasname> = <aliasfullname> = <address>[, <address>]...

So to make a group of 3 persons a1, a2 and a3 the file can contain
a1 = This is a1 = a1@a1machine
a2 = This is a2 = a2@a2machine
a2 = This is a2 = a2@a2machine
groupa = This contains a1 a2 and a3 = a1, a2, a3

Note that this gives you two levels of aliasing. More that two levels
is strictly *prohibited*.

So after putting this in $HOME/.elm/aliases.text go into aliases
and make a dummy alias. This make elm to hash all the entries that
you faked in. if you feel, you could delete the dummy alias once
through.

If you dont know how to make an alias at *all*. Here is it.
	go into o)ptions. Make yourself an intermediate user.[U)ser <space>]
	get into a)lias. chose m)ake an alias.

D.P.Suresh
dps@esd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: Timed out on locking mailbox?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:27:28 GMT

In <1ia0miINNdov@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:

>In <C0C5Au.G88@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills) writes:
>>I'd recommend not using fcntl locking in elm.  Sun's mail programs,
>>bin/mail, ucb/mail, and mailtool only use flock and file locking.
>>You will avoid many problems with the lock manager this way.  Until
>>Sun starts using fcntl locking, I think we should avoid it too.

>Yes, but flock only appears to work for local systems anyway. Could I
>just disable both flock and lockf and use dot-locking only? Would this
>pose any disadvantage on either the server or it's dataless clients?

To be most compatible, you should use the same locking scheme that
competing mail agents and the mail delivery program, bin/mail, use.
Flock will cause you no trouble, but as you say, it only works locally.
-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: peterm@dtc.hp.com (Sweet Pete)
Subject: undefined external while compiling PL20
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:06:21 GMT
Organization: Where No Man Has Gone Before

For my first time I've failed to compile elm.  The following shows what
happened:

        cc  -o ../bin/elm addr_util.o    alias.o                 aliaslib.o
 args.o          a_edit.o        a_screen.o      a_sort.o        a_quit.o
 bouncebk.o      builtin.o       calendar.o      curses.o        date.o
 delete.o        edit.o          editmsg.o       elm.o           encode.o
 exitprog.o      expires.o       file.o          file_util.o     fileio.o
 find_alias.o    forms.o                 hdrconfg.o      help.o
in_utils.o      init.o          leavembox.o     lock.o          limit.o
 mailmsg1.o      mailmsg2.o      mime.o          mkhdrs.o        newmbox.o
 options.o       out_utils.o     pattern.o       pmalloc.o       quit.o
 read_rc.o       remail.o        reply.o                 returnadd.o
save_opts.o     savecopy.o      screen.o        showmsg.o       showmsg_c.o
signals.o       softkeys.o      sort.o          string2.o       strings.o
syscall.o       utils.o         wildcards.o     wordwrap.o ../lib/libutil.a -lt ermlib
ld: Undefined external -
        _read_one_alias
ld: output file still contains undefined symbols
ld: (Warning) did not generate an output file
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what went wrong?  I'm running HP-UX
7.0 on a series 9000 370 workstation.

Thanks in advance.

	Peter
-- 
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Hewlett-Packard Company,
5301 Stevens Creek Blvd, MS 53U/36,    UUCP:   ..!hplabs!aoraki!peterm
Santa Clara, CA 95052-8059             (408) 553 2512
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.1-->2.4 Upgrade Questions
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:18:06 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com
Keywords: UPGRADE 2.1 2.4

walter@Ingres.COM (Walter L. Nirenberg) writes:
>1) We are currently on ELM 2.1.1.  How do we go about getting the latest
>version (I believe it is 2.4.17)?

From many ftp sites or via uucp from uunet, dsinc or other archive sites.
See the monthly posting for a list, or send the message

send elm elm-ftp

to archive-server@dsi.com for a list of ftp sites. (It will not mail out
Elm)... for a list of uucp instructions for dsinc send the message

send anon how-to dir

to the same address.

>2) Does the new release contain documentation?  If not, where do we get
>it?
All releases contain docs, even 2.1, they are in the doc directory.

>3) We have a nasty old bug with our ELM.  Occasionally and without warning
>ELM will wipe out the entire contents of the mailbox file for
>whomever is using ELM at that time.  I believe the problem is related
>to /tmp directory capacity but I am not sure.  Is this extremely serious
>bug fixed in current versions?
2.1 could have done this for many reasons.  2.3 fixed most of these, and
2.4 should have gotten the rest, but bugs will be bugs..... :-)
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL20
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dans@panix.com (Dan Simoes)
Subject: Failed compile of 2.3PL11 on AIX 3.1.6
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:15:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


I get this error when trying to make on AIX 3.1.6, model 530:
>
>/u/dans/src/elm << dans >> make
>cd src; /bin/make - all
>cc -lcurses  -O -I../hdrs    -c addr_util.c
>49 | char *strtok(), *strcpy(), *strcat(), *strncpy(), *index(), 
>*rindex(); 
>1506-041: (S) Parameter list cannot contain fewer parameters than required
>by macro  definition.
>1254-004  The error code from the last failed command is 1.
>
>Make Quitting.
>1254-004  The error code from the last failed command is 1.
>
>Make Quitting.

The local c guru said the problem was with the function prototyping at
the beginning of the program (addr_util.c), so I commented out the
second function declaration line in there:

>char *strtok(), *strcpy(), *strcat(), *strncpy(), *index(), *rindex(); 

and it compiled.  So, do I need to do this for *every* .c program?
I tried using c89 and xlc instead, but they all bomb out.

Help!  The only AIXism I've seen recommended is using -lcurses.  Are there
others?  (Sorry, I missed the last FAQ :-( )

Thanks for any help...

| Dan |
-- 
Dan Simoes                                       Voice: 914.747.2900 x415
Danix Consulting                                 email: dans@panix.com or
Yorktown Heights, NY                                     dans@danix.uucp
From: burchell@cse.unl.edu (David Burchell)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Error initializing terminal with elm
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:25:39 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

We have elm installed on our LAN of DG AViiONs running DG/UX 5.4.1.
The actual code is on a server (of sorts), with the elm directory
mounted on all the workstations in the room.  It has been
functioning flawlessly, but now on one of the workstations,
attempting to invoke elm produces the error message:

Failed trying to initialize your terminal entry: unknown return code -3

This happens whether logged in directly or remotely.
We have just done some hardware work on this machine (added a disk
drive), but I don't believe that is important.

What does this message mean?  Why does elm try to initialize a 
terminal entry?  What is return code -3?  How do I fix it?

Thanks in advance.
--
Dave Burchell                   |
burchell@cse.unl.edu            |        Review your options.
djburche@jwendnelnc.cr.usgs.gov |              Amiga. 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ker@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kenneth.roser)
Subject: Filter changing "_" to " "
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:48:05 GMT

Couldn't find this behavior described in the doc.

If in my filter rules I use the underscore character "_" the
filter program translates the character to a space.

How can I actually use the _ character in the filter rules file?
Quoting and escaping "\" doesn't seem to work.
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: marco@soda.berkeley.edu (Marco Nicosia)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Problem compiling elm2.4 on HP/Apollo
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:44:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1700@oden.se> hans@ergodata.se (Hans Emlid) writes:
) I have been unable to compile elm2.4, different patchlevels up to 17,
) on my HP/Apollo DN3500. I use Domain/OS SR10.4 and CC6.9 with
) all three environments installed and using BSD as primary env.

Hm, that's interesting... I've grabbed the ELM2.4PL17 tarfile from
dsi.com and make'd it without a hitch on a DN3500 with SR10.4.0.2
using  gcc, I believe. Have you tried that?

Funny thing, however, is that elm seems to double each character that
I type... it's much like when you have a modem set up incorrectly and
it shows every key that you hit twice?!

I don't know what causes that yet.

) Hans Emlid                    email:     hans@ergodata.se
-- 

____________________From the console of:____________________
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marco@soda.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Subject: Re: Segment Violation signal!
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:35:14 GMT

In article <1if9mqINNd43@gossip.pyramid.com> bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.164245.20045@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>| Hi I just got elm PL20 up and running.  But with that patch I occasionally get
>| the following error:
>| 
>| 	Segment Violation signal!
>| 
>| 	Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!
>
>Yes, I can duplicate this also.

I've sent what I believe is the fix for this problem to Syd.  I say
'believe' because our compiler caught the problem and I fixed it up
before installing elm2.4pl20.

I don't particularly recommend installing the following because of conflicts
when the official patch comes out.  But, you might be hurting.
If you decide to install this, *please* save a copy of the original
'exitprog.c' for use when patch 21 comes out.


*** src/Orig_exitprog.c	Tue Jan  5 15:44:52 1993
--- src/exitprog.c	Tue Jan  5 17:06:11 1993
***************
*** 39,45 ****
  	    any, and if the user say's it's ok)
  	**/
  
! 	char *msg, answer;
  	register int i, changes;
  
  	dprint(1, (debugfile, "\n\n-- exiting --\n\n"));
--- 39,45 ----
  	    any, and if the user say's it's ok)
  	**/
  
! 	char msg[SLEN], answer;
  	register int i, changes;
  
  	dprint(1, (debugfile, "\n\n-- exiting --\n\n"));
From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM for PC
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 03 Jan 93  18:12:11

On <Dec 28 18:12> Hakan Sjogren writes:

 HS> Is ELM available for MSDOS and Windows 3.x?
 HS> If so, from where?

Try SIMTEL.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: test-ignore
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:11:27 GMT

test
--
John R. Vanderpool     INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA/GSFC/HSTX         VOX: 301-513-1683                
"Does God look down on the boys in the barroom,
 mainly foresaken, but surely not judged."       -robert hunter
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE (Helge Oldach)
Subject: Re: Problems in elm2.4 PL20
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:45:11 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany
Originator: he@sup

dean@coplex.com (Dean Brooks) writes:
| Couple of problems in elm2.4.20:
| 		Bus Error signal!
| 		Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!

I cannot reproduce Dean's scenario here (a 68030 based VMEbus machine
running our own SVR3.1 port), but I've seen this message on another
occasion which I am also unable to reproduce. I assume there is some
NULL pointer bug in elm.
-- 
Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:32:12 GMT

Adam Shostack (adam@endor.uucp) wrote:

: >In the doc I have access to, the "r" command is explained, but there
: >seems to be no "R" command.  And "R" isn't recognized by this version
: >of elm.  

: There is no R command.  I suggested that it be used to reply to a mail
: and include the headers and such, which is an occaisonally useful
: thing to do.  It could also be used for R)espond and automatically
: include the message.  Or we could leave it for some future feature.

: Adam
: Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

I've been mantaining a private patch in which R does the second of these
two things, I probably got the thought from vnews.  Now, the "tin" newsreader
uses "R" and "r" just the opposite of the way I do, causing no end of
canceled and re-started followups.

(I also arrange for non-visible handling of <char>Control-H,
which was really bugging me when I read a newsletter with lots
of underlines.  But adding this "feature" adds the possibility
of unseen hidden single control characters in a message....)

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: [not] saving outgoing messages
Originator: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:53:46 GMT

In <C0CtKJ.IsM@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>doc@uiuc.edu (Jim Marco) wrote in <C0B07G.Mnw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>:
>| Is there a way to =not= save a copy of an outgoing message?  I have my 
>| elmrc configured to save a copy of all my outgoing mail in a =sent folder.
>| But, there are many times I send messages I have no need to save.  I know
>| I can put a [nosave] on the first line of the message and thus not save
>| the body of the message, but the header is still saved and I must change to
>| my =sent folder and delete the message.  I would like to have elm not save
>| the message at all.  Is there some trick to this?
>
>At the s)end f)orget h)eaders c)opy etc. prompt that you get after exiting
>the editor, type c/backspace/return (without the slashes).

how about _not_ saving copies of outgoing mail when you're not using elm
interactively? in nn, i use elm to send mail. when i mail something
to myself (for later perusal, archiving, etc), a copy get saved in
my =sent folder, as well as the =cgw folder, since it was 'To: cgw'.
the only copy i *really* want, of course, is in my =received folder.

um, and what's this about "[nosave]"? someone RTFM me, please?

-cgw-

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: "Editing current folder"??
Originator: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:25:16 GMT

In <1992Dec29.172202.3434@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>In article <9212290927.AA03367@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>>Why would anyone ever want to "edit the current folder"?
>I do it fairly routinely when I get a long mail that I want to keep
>queued up (because I use my mail queue as a todo list), but also only
>need a few lines of. I edit the folder, delete most lines, and mark
>that I've done so.

I wish editing the current folder was configurable from .elm/elmrc --
I'd love to be able to do it, but I don't want to configure elm with
that option enabled, because one of my Dangerous Users would eventually
do it, and screw something royally. I also would rather _not_ keep
a version of elm configured to do this in my account.

How about it, Syd? Could you make editing the current folder an
option in .elm/elmrc? (Preferably with *LOTS* of warning around
it :-))

-cgw-

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lead programmer/operator, university of north texas  made of dots and lines.
From: jim@sco.COM (Jim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Embedded "=" in Email address
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:31:58 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:
>jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>I have a correspondent whoes Email address is of the form
>
>>	John=Smith@....
>
>>that is, it has an "=" embedded in it. If I try to setup an alias
>>for this address elm is not able to parse it properly (it seems to
>>assume that the embedded "=" is a component of the aliasing syntax).
>
>>Is there any way around this problem, e.g., is there an escape character
>>I can use to force elm to treat the embedded "=" literally.
>
>In 2.4, the proper method is to quote the address, as in
>	"John=Smith"@site

Not to contradict the owner, I've tried this in the past, without success,
running [ELM 2.4 PL5].  What I have done, at the suggestion of the keeper
of ELM here at SCO Canada, was escape the '=', so the address is:

	John\=Smith@...

(going across that canyon to Banyan?)
-- 
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