From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (zoiks!)
Subject: Get this guy a FAQ :) (was Re: Gibson, et all [sic]..)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 03:41:07 GMT

In article <NP31RB3w165w@west.darkside.com> guru@west.darkside.com (Guru) writes:
|Blah...
|
|Gibson.  Yeah, actually I am waiting for someone to break the code and 
|upload (wow a rhyme... I can see it now, Cyberpunk Rap... yuk) the new 

Oh stop, you're killing me.

|story.  "Why?" you ask.   Simply because I can't (or won't) shell out 
|$450.00 minimum for a short story that I can only read once.  Secondly 
|because, according to Details, that wasn't Gibsons intent anyway.  The 
|story, was meant to be art.  Art for Arts sake type of thing.  That's why 
|the prohibitive cost and such.  Of course according to that article, he 
|was planning to air it over the net... haven't seen that yet.  Oh well.

First of all, from what I've heard and read, Gibson's intent was for
the Agrippa poem to show up in *cyberspace*...I don't remember
hearing/reading anything about the Net, and if I did, I would probably
assume it to be cyber-ignorance on behalfof the reporter....

No one, to my knowledge, on the net has seen Agrippa other than Tom
Maddox, and I would assume Bruce Sterling and a few others at the WELL
or MindVox, or some literary types at various world U's have scene a
copy..Yet in all those cases, I would assume it was a hard-copy and
not an e- version....

Awhile back, Loyd Blankenship and a couple other people were trying to
acquire a copy, but haven't heard anything from them in awhile (at
least they haven't posted here as per usual)....

At any rate, all this info is in the FAQ....

|Bladerunner.  Go buy a closed captioned laserdisc if you want the script. 
|just make sure to get the directors cut.

Most of us don't have laserdiscs....Considering Star Wars, Rocky
Horror, Holy Grail, Shakespeare, Lewis Carrol (sp?), Moby Dick, and
other works are archived at various FTP sites, it would be nice if
Blade Runner was as well, considering all the attention t gets on this
and other newsgroups....

|More Gibson.  Anyone know anything about him writing the original 
|(unused) script for the flik alien (yes, the first one).  Appears that 
|they (studio types) didn't like it.

The first Alien?  Back in 79 or whenever?  I doubt it...And, yes, as
the FAQ tells you, Gibson did right a screenplay for Alien^3, but it
is not the one that was used...

(PS- Not to be mean or anything, but, it seems to me that heavy
symbolism is necessary for the themes of the various Alien movies to
be successful, and I would guess that Gibson's version might've lacked
some of the symbolism, since it doesn't seem to be present in his
other works to any great extent).....(Ie:  considering the orginal
Alien was all about androgeny and a giant penis, I can't really see
Gibson following that up [admittedly, I haven't seen the second movie,
so what I know of the symbolism in Aliens is second-hand])

|Virtual Reality #1.  Did virtuality at berkley.  It was okay.  Better 
					^^^^^^^
Berkeley

|than expected, worse than hoped.

Thanks for the detailed info.  Been enlightening.

|Virtual Reality #2.  The VR convention was down here in SJ last week.  
|Didn't have much of a chance to go, but I did hear some interesting 
|stuff.  Especially the think about the VR ST:TNG in the malls...

If you're going to make a statement about this, back it up with
substance.

|Virtual Mondo #1.75.  Mondo _was_ a good magazine.  It just seems as 
|though they are going away from the whole street tech thing (which was 
|the best to begin with) and going for some artsy_fartsy crap (although I 
				            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ahem.

|have to thank god that they've been suppressing thier odd fashion 
|impulses).

In case you haven't noticed, Mondo 7, in an opinion which is probably
a consensus from earlier threads about the subject on this group, was
a return, in some fashion, to older Mondos.  I agree.

And I don't think either one of us is in any position to tell Mondo
what should/shouldn't be in their magazine.

|Virtual Mondo #2.  In the last issue (cant remember what the cover was, 
|'cuz I didn't buy it..) there was this ad for Odo-Sendi Corperation.  No 
|description just a phone number.  Gave it a call.  Sales rep said 
|"affordable desktop VR... I send you info."  haven't gotten it yet.  When 
|I do I'll let ya know...

Look before you leap....Ono-Sendai is on the net, and has made public
postings announcing themselves on various newsgroups and mailing lists
of interest, as well as stating their objectives and goals as a
company......As far as I know, they are still on the net...If you
want any info, why not take advantage of that forum rather than
Snail-Mail...  

--
 ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu   FutureCulture E-List: [future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu]
 andy (hawkeye)         new edge, technoculture, cyberpunk, virtual reality,
                        raves, etc. Home of the famous :) FutureCulture FAQ!
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk