HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with anarchy?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:58:29 GMT

Well, this is about it from me on this thread, looks like
wharf rat and I have different views of the reality here,
which is fine. Might have something to do with language, too.
(You say tomato, I say tomahto? :-)

In article <3934@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>	Anarchy certainly does imply chaos.  What you're describing is in
>fact a lawful society ruled by _balance_, the balance between what they want
>and need and what everyone else wants and needs.  Anarchy is without rules,
>even this simple rule of "if it does no harm...".  

Not by my definition. Anarchy is without *externally imposed* rules.
I believe that to truly have a lawful society, a balanced society
using your term, people need the freedom to explore themselves and their
world. When there is a collision between your world and mine, we need
to work it out, and I don't see how an external power forcing us to
act in certain ways can possibly accomplish that. Now, I'm not proposing
abandoning our laws against, say, murder. We're a long way from
being able to do that. But to truly end heinous deeds, along with
less-heinous-but-not-sopleasnt-deeds, there has to be internal change,
and that's a lot harder to accomplish with someone breathing down your
neck, be it George Bush or the net.police. I think that the plethora
of rules in society, what you're "supposed to do" is stunting and I
do my best to not get sucked in. But it's powerful and hard to avoid.
I ain't givin' in, though.

Ah, shoot, I'm getting too serious. We're here to have fun, I think
as we grow we learn how to do this without stepping on others too
much, and working it out when we do.

>	You have no more guarantee of freedom under anarchy than you do under
>totalitarianism.

Anarchy requires people working together in love and peace. It's
not a form of government. It's an ideal. Government could
still exist, but more as a beaucratic structure than some kind
of ruler and arbiter of order. I think it would have to
be a gradual change, too, I don't favor a violent solution.

So, that's all. Hey, I'm just makin' this up as I go along,
just like everyone else, trying to communicate, to cross that
strange bridge between me and you! Scary, isn't it? :-)

signing off, 
Bill


PS I could of course post this to some politics newsgroup
instead, but my impression is that most of those groups are
not real fun places to hang out, and I'd rather share this with
the gdead community than (shudder) the net at large.






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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: the so called cure all libertarian party
Summary: Vat ar deese peeple thinking, man?
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:34:15 EDT

In article <1992Oct8.004728.17855@udel.edu> gallo@almira.asel.udel.edu (Andy Gallo) writes:

(Very familiar Libertarian dialogue deleted)

My point here is this: The Libetarian philosophy is great for defending
personal property or your rights fromn Big Brother, but not much good at
getting your streetlight repaired or your kids educated.

More to the point, this philosophy is remeniscent of the US, ca. 1885.
Anybody read US history in school of this period? Ever hear of the railroad     monopolies? The giant oil companies? The "Robber Barons?" These people, the
billionaires of a period when bread cost 5 cents, raped and exoploited the
land and had *FAR* more influence in Washington than the zillionaires do
now. Government listened only to the wealthy 1% of the people, and guess what?
THERE WERE NO LAWS RESTRICTING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE FROM FUCKING UP THE LAND
or from keeping factory workers in virtual sweatshop slave labor. You think
things are bad today? Take away the legal safeguards, the regulatory bodies
and codes, let these Donald Trump types do everything their way, and all this
will be resurrected.

Here's something else:it used to be, in at least one case, the practice of
running private fire companies. In the time of Julius Caesar the richest
man in Rome (Crassus) also owned the fire company monopoly. His men 
had orders to check their records to make sure that when a distress call
came in, the house was on their list, and if not, or if the owner had
pissed off Crassus in some way, let it burn. Privatizing fire companies?
God help us.

Chris Dunlea
crdunlea@rodan.syr.edu



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From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester)
Subject: Re: Libertarianism
Reply-To: ph@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 16:37:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.195814.26089@gasco.com> fpf@aries.gasco.com (Frank  
Ferguson x3584) writes:
> Ok.  So we've all been impressed at one time or another with the 
> logic of the postitions advanced by Adam Smith and John Locke.  
> Great.  But this is rec.music.gdead.  Its simply common courtesy
> to try and limit the material discussed here to something remotely
> related to the group's central topic.  Also, Libertarianism is
> getting to be boring.  It seems like every newsgroup has its
> interminable Libertarian chatter going on.  No other political
> party or faction seems ever to intrude on wildly unrelated newsgroups.
> Perhaps Libertarianism is an occupational hazard of computer types.
> While making no particular comment about the content of Libertarianism,
> I would just like to say, "would you guys just shut up, and move on
> to some appropriate newsgroup, please?" 

No other party needs to use a public access media to be heard.
Republicrats own the TV networks, newspapers, etc and spew their
BS endlessly. The media ignores third (and forth and fifth...) parties.
Even tho these parties get votes, they are still ignored. Just total
up the votes next time. 45% of one and 48% of the other leaves the rest
of us ignored.

So Libertarians turn to media where they CAN make noise.

Sorry if this bothers anyone, but it's a free country. sort of.
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From: jimbo@ee.ualberta.ca (Row Jimmy)
Subject: bobby's birthday?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:25:47 GMT

greetings all,

i just heard on the radio (CIRK 97.3 DeAdmonton) that today, October 16, 1992,
was bob weir's 45th birthday. if it is true: happy birthday bob! if not: 
my most humblest apologies to the community for this rumor ;-)

toodle-oo
	 jim --{-<@
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Edmonton, Alberta Canada  T6G 2G7       Fax   (403)492-1811
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Favorite venue
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:20 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <13255@cis.rand.org> kmodel@cis.rand.org (Karyn Model) writes:
>The most obvious is the security.  These are the guys that killed Adam Katz
>at a show a few years back.  Last June they were RANDOMLY pulling kids off
>the field and ushering them into ambulances and police cars for the awful

	They have different security now than they had during the time
of the Katz incident.  The people they "randomly" pull off the field
are jumpers - people they've seen jump down onto the field.

	Giant's Stadium is far from the worst place to see a show.
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Fire Up/Heavy Turbulence CD
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:56:23 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <9210080851.aa28494@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> jko@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
>
>A few questions to posed to all those heads out there.
>
>first, Someone mentioned the new double-album-on-one-CD release
>of Jerry Garcia's Fire Up and Heavy Turbulence CD's.  It is supposed
>to be on Fantasy Records.  GDM does'nt have it.  Anyone know where
>I can get a copy????
>
This should be available fairly widely at most CD stores.  I picked mine up
at a Bay Area Tower Records last week.  The new title, by the way, is
"Fire Up +".

My thanks go to the poster who first announced its availability.

George Lambert
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From: fovsutt@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VINCENT SUTTMILLER)
Subject: Re: Trriiippppiinnn :-)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:30 EST  

In article <1992Oct15.163826.8262@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com writes...
> 
>I was listening to the studio version of Terrapin Station last night.  When
>I initially heard this tune back in the late '70s, it did IT for me :-).  I
>was living a bit wilder a lifestyle back then ;-).  Didn't really have any
>responsibilities, no real presures of now-a-day life :-).  The good old
>days :-).  My perception is that most heads don't like the studio version?
>Is that true?  I think I remember reading somewhere that the boyz weren't
>really pleased with the results, but I would be curious as to what the
>rest of the net.society felt about it.  For me there is quite a bit of magic
>in that song.  Something about the big.sound of the story, which I've thought
>about many times since I first heard it :-).  Another question concerns the
>choir like sounding voices singing 'Terrapin' at the end of the studio version.
>  Is that the Dead singing it?  It doesn't really sound like them to me.  I
>don't ever remember reading any credits by a choir anywhere.  So, net.heads
>am I the only net.head who likes the studio version of Terrapin Station?
> 
>I certainly didn't agree with the Grateful Dead Comics version of the song
>either :-).  They were way off base from the pictures I would have drew :-)
> 
>Joe Doheny

I really like the studio version of Terrapin.  Initially it's what turned 
me on to the dead.  If I understand it right, the dead don't like the 
studio version because they recorded the album and then all the 
orchestrated choir stuff was added later.  It wasn't really what they were 
looking for and were mad about it.  I guess it deals with the politics of 
record deals.  Anybody care to correct if I'm wrong?

Vince Suttmiller - NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio
From: MSHELL@ccit.arizona.edu (IN ORDER TO KEEP FROM KILLING THINGS ONE MUST WALK HIGH ABOVE THE EARTH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: A cosmic memory
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:55:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct8.195513.11325
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Organization: The Internet

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I remember the Compton Terrarce Show in '87 (?) when a Head lit up a joint
inside the show and a security guard tryed to apprenend him.  This was right
after the Boys played Telluride where cops where seen lighting it up with the
Heads in the crowd.  After this guard in Az tryed to grab the toker, a bunch of
us surronded the guard and just stared at him.  He let him go and then a whole
bunch of other guards came by to see what the crowd was about.
Then a late stragler of a guard came up and asked me, "what's going on here?"
And I answered sychronously with Bobby, as I said, "the game was lost, they wereall the same, no one left to take or place the blame."  
The guard released that Bobby and I were talking to him at the same time, and d
he sort of shoke his head and walked off, but it affected him as it was a very
cosmic moment.

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From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Canadian cheques in US
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:31:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.150414.11504@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> NEAL@eds.ed.dreo.dnd.ca writes:
}Help!!
}	Anyone have any ideas on how someone could cash a cheque in 
}Canadian funds into US$, if they don't have an account at a commercial
}bank? (Sent a cheque to cover postage back to Canada for some tapes,
}and the person doing the taping can't cash the cheque into US$).
}Any ideas or suggestions would be apperciated. Thx in advance.
}
	I believe that post offices sell things known is "International
	Reply Coupons" which are designed for just this sort of thing.
	You buy the IRCs at your post office in your currency, the
	person who receives them can cash them in at their post office
	in their local currency, and I'm sure both post offices keep
	a little bit for the donut fund...  they MAY only be useable
	for postage, but in this case, that would be OK too... check
	with the post office.
}
}ODC: The tapes in question are 3/20/92 @ Hamilton which has an amazing
}Dark Star>Drums>Space
}
	ODC: We had a guy from Germany on the Vegas '92 tape trees.
	Reiner, your replacement tape is in the mail :-)

Charles
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From: "Bruce G. Gittelman" (AED-EWD) <bgittel@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Various
Reply-To: bgittel@pica.army.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:01:43 GMT

   During the commercial breaks on the Tonight Show they show
amusing highway signs from around the country.  Last night (before
Motorhead-I know-I'm a bad deadhead for watching this) they showed
one that said "Entering Licking County". Anybody remember this from
summer tour? That's right- this is where Buckeye is.
   I haven't seen anybody post anything about the Spin Doctors on
Sat. Night Live. Who would have guessed a year ago that this band
would emerge from BT's shadow to now be the biggest (most commercial) of the
Horde. Well BT and Phish are working on their albums now so it will
be interesting to see what will happen. Besides, we Netheads know who
the best of the big three is:-).(Who has their own group?)OK OK music
is not a contest.  By the way is the lead singer of SD from England?
He sounded British or like he was trying to effect a slight accent.
I thought he was (also) from Princeton.
   Regarding Clinton's statements on more police: He is just re-
sponding to criticism that as governor, Arkansas ranked last in money
spent on prisons and law enforcement (not sure if that was per capita).
It's like the war protest thing. Most of us probably like him for
these things. But he has our vote anyway. He now is playing it safe to
get as much of the mainstream as possible.
   Anybody else go to the pow-wow in Rancocas? Excellent Ecuadoran
pole dancers, Hoop dancing, art exhibits. I'll try to announce the
next one as many in tye-dyes seemed to be enjoying themselves.
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From: MLEVIN%brook.BITNET@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu
Subject: Seeking DC Area Musicians
Reply-To: MLEVIN%brook.BITNET@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:27:26 GMT

Are there any musicians in the Dead vein out there in the Washington DC
area interested in getting together for some informal jams?  At best I
thought we might have some fun and perhaps do something for the proposed
Net-head tape.  Gigs in clubs is another possible goal, but most important
is a good *attitude* and a chance to jam out some of the boyz' tunes.
Accoustic, Electric, whatever.  Please email direct cuz I dont always have
time to read the digest.

Michael Levin
mlevin@brook.bit

"...hand me my old guitar
pass the whiskey 'round..."
From: rbalko@attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead Head in alt.prisoner??
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct7.184420.23832
Organization: AT&T BCSy S&PD FS/SI Dev MPS

Found this in alt.tv.prisoner:

*
*Article 2529 of alt.tv.prisoner:
*Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
*From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
*Subject: Re: No. 6 == John Drake?
*Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
*Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
*Date: 23 Sep 92 07:41:40 GMT
*Message-ID: <2609@israel.nysernet.org>
*References: <196n7lINNfd7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <Bup011.FEu@Novell.COM> <1992Sep17.095138.18155@dracut.keps.kodak.com> <1992Sep17.160433.22519@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
*Sender: news@wang.com
*Lines: 11
*
*In <1992Sep17.160433.22519@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
*
*    They wear no headgear (pardon the pun) at all (excluding bandanas).
*    Haven't you ever seen a grateful dead concert? There are NO top hats.
*
*Look at the cover of the Dead's first album.
*-- 
*/|/-\/-\       be
* |__/__/_/     seeing
* |warren@      you
*/ nysernet.org
*
*
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Idiots was Re: Clinton and Drugs
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:22:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: grouper.1992Oct14.212225.15729
Distribution: rec.music.gdead
Organization: The Internet

In article <Bw2u7t.Buu@inews.Intel.COM> janderso@smdvx1.intel.com (Jim Anderson) writes:
>
>Can you say *LOOSER*? What other idiots are floating around in
>them songs we know so well?

Sure I can say *LOOSER*, but what I can't figure out is how'd that guy
*LOSE* Lucy, and what's he gonna do when he finds her ;-)
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From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Subject: Shameless Ticket Grovel
Organization: Tempe
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:41:02 GMT


     Please, I'm desperate.  If anyone has any extras
for either tonight's, Friday's, or Saturday's Phoenix
shows, *please* let me know.  Thank you.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
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From: wtr@mitre.org (Bill Ralston)
Subject: Re: Libertarians
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:40:07 GMT

in article <1992Oct8.202124.12400@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
vandal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Levan Frederick Hiemke) writes

> There's been a lot said since I started this thread... [deleted]

One thing that I think people find frightening about the Libertarian 
platform is that with freedom comes responsibility.  Lots of folks aren't 
ready for that responsibility! Too bad.

---------------
Bill
wtr@mitre.org
**Marrou/Lord in '92.  (If you don't know who they are, you are not a 
fully informed voter.  Fulfill your civic responsibility and find out!! **
** Opinions are mine only, and not my employer's **
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From: Randy Schechter <randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov>
Subject: Neil Diamond nonsense
Reply-To: randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:09:02 GMT

I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of people who are sick
of reading all the Neil Diamond crap---a jokes a joke but this one has
MORE then wore out its welcome--I guess you all are going to do what
you're gonna do but it SEEMS like the majority of people are finding this
very annoying! Another mans opinion
From: caherty@wizard.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Caherty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Clinton-Gore Online? - not!
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:37:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct16.223700.21363
Reply-To: caherty@wizard.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: The Internet

Well folx just out of curiosity I sent a message to that
address that was posted here sometime back for position
papers and etc. from Slick Willie and his bunch.  Wanted to
see where he stands (hee hee) on the 2nd Amendment, doncha know.
It bounced eventually, here's what I got:

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From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Tour dates, confirmed and RUMOURED
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:58:00 GMT

Latest word from Denver area is that Dec. 2 and 3 is most likely for McNichols
Arena shows. That would make 5th and 6th more likely for Compton Terrace
and Oakland Dec 4,5,6 much less likely.

***************************************************************************
As a service to the net and to cut down on all the traffic from people 
asking for tour dates, I volunteer to post a tour schedule (confirmed
and rumoured) on a regular basis. I have no rumour input other than
what comes across the net. If you want to correct or add to the rumours,
please email me at lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com.
***************************************************************************

****************
CONFIRMED DATES:
****************

Jerry Garcia Band:
October 31	Oakland Coliseum			Sold Out
		w/ The Affordables


***************
RUMOURED DATES:
***************

Grateful Dead:
December 4,5,6	Oakland Coliseum
December 5,6	Compton Terrace, Tempe AZ
  or 12,13
December 2,3 	McNichols Arena, Denver CO
 or 8,9,10
 or 15,16,17
December	Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA (unlikely?)
NYE run (Dec. 27,28,30,31 or 29,30,31) in bay area, Kaiser Auditorium ?
February	Bay area
March		East Coast Spring Tour

Jerry Garcia:
December 18,19	Warfield (JGB)
December 20,21  Warfield (Garcia/Grisman)


-Jeff Lester
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