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Subject: Re: Holland Patent
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:00:31 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward) writes:

> Any alumni from the Holland Patent Central School District reading this
> newsgroup?
> 

     Not from there,  but I sure as hell remember their team at the 
fireman field days.  My recolection is that they had one of the better 
ones around, but it's been a long time, so I don't know if that's an 
accurate memory.

-Bob

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From: robasky@cis.ohio-state.edu (Kimberly Robasky)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:38:04 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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Let's see, as I recall, I was in the back seat of a station wagon in a
hockey caravan from Poughkeepsie,NY to somewhere in Buffalo when it
hit.  My brother had a game, and my family was rather obsessive about
those things - typical DYHA parents (does anybody remeber DYHA? -
Dutchess Youth Hockey Association).  The rest is a blur....

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Computer & Information Science
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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:21:50 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1993Jan18.231104.10393@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
...
>:>* A clean Your Host restaurant, somewhere ...
>: 
>: You mean it's really "Your Host" and not "Your Lost"?
>
>I've noticed that too.  I don't think a Your Host has been updated (or cleaned  
>for that matter) since the late 1960s.  Most have a few plastic food buckets  
>over counter stool supports, and semi-functional Seeburg jukeboxes whose  
>selections haven't been changed since 1982.  Your Hosts are quite popular with  
>the elderly, who seem drawn to old, dirty restaurants like these.  They're  
>slowly disappearing, usually when an old shopping center that one is located in  
>is renovated or torn down.  

Seems like they were "sleaze" attractants. Maybe it was the bottomless
cup of java for 50 cents. I worked at one once for about 3 days. They lost,
no kidding, about one ashtray per customer. I've never seen anything like
it.

Maybe it was that they were open 24 hours in high-crime sections, but there
were stabbings in two different Your Losts (for people who don't know, the
"h" looks like a cursive "L") over the last few years.

Someone else mentioned the old Tralf on Main Street. I'm giving Buffalo
a bad name here tonight 8-). I worked upstairs from the Tralf at Taco Grande.
The two places were owned by a pair of brothers and a couple others. They
had (sniff) financial problems (sniff) due to profits (sniff sniff)
going up their noses (sniff). And you thought I was crying! (If anything,
I'm crying over lost wages...)  At least Taco Grande had a good vegetarian
policy: they kept the prices of the bean burritos low so as to encourage 
people away from eating meat 8-).

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
  "To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion" - Unknown
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:58 MST
From: <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
 <1993Jan21.182426.21926@bmw.mayo.edu> <CBOLTON.93Jan27011012@csd475a.erim.org>
 <1993Jan27.160224.28481@mlb.semi.harris.com>



I rembember the blizzard of '77 well, especially since I found a few photos
of that storm while unpacking boxes after relocating to sunny Arizona just
last year.

I can remember starting to dig out my car because I was going to my class
at Ulster County Community College (UCCC) in Stone Ridge, for some unknown
reason I felt I couldn't miss my class...

I remember my father and I discussing me driving out there, I said I'd be
ok and he said I would because I wasn't going anywhere...he made me stay
home which was a wise decision, especially since about 5 minutes later
everthing in the area was closed...

Snow over my knees..will never forget that storm!!!
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Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:27:41 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

horton@convex.com (Patricia Horton) writes:

> OLD ;-} Solvay Grad


     Oh?  Old enough to remember Carthage coming down and kicking 
Solvay's butt in football in 1967? (probably far more memorable for us 
than you..it was our only undefeated football team in school history).

-Bob

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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Re: UFA
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:58:48 GMT

In article 28303@fuug.fi, an4140@anon.penet.fi () writes:
>I'm not a UFA alum, but I had no idea it had closed!  What happened?
>
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UFA, Proctor and Kenndy High Schools merged into one school, now at the
Proctor site and it is called Utica Senior Academy (USA - I'm patriotic,
but who decided on this name anyway!!)

UFA is now either an senior citizen center or condos.

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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:24:26 GMT

I was at UB living in Goodyear Hall. It was great. We had
only attended 2-3 days of classes, hadn't purchased our 
books yet and the storm hit.  Luckily we were on the
border of the city so we could drive (not that there was
anywhere to go besides the grocery and liquor store in
University Plaza).  Bailey Ave was blocked with abandoned
cars right near Main (still have the pictures).

All in all, the Blizzard was a great 10 day dorm-party!!!!


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From: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (W. Keith McManus)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:01:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.160224.28481@mlb.semi.harris.com>,
eam@mintaka.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills) wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm probably dating myself here.. but the REAL blizzard wasn't in '77. I
> think we missed an afternoon of classes at 'SU over that..  No, the REAL 
> blizzard was in the '60s, 66 I think 'cause I remember it was a year after the
> great blackout.

I remember that snow. I was a student at RIT then. I was riding the train
back from NYC when the storm hit.  The snow began to fall as train headed
north out of Manhattan, got worse as we neared Albany...then...heading
west it...!!!!!

W. Keith McManus
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Rochester Institute of Technology
Applied Photography Department - Photojournalism
Rochester, New York

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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:28:32 GMT

In article <4333@eastman.UUCP> gerwitz@sulu.kodak.com (Paul F Gerwitz) writes:

: |> * Henry's Hamburgers
: 
: Had one in Lockport, right up there with Burger Chef....

Burger Chef ... were they one of those "Everyplace-but-Buffalo" national chains  
like Hardee's, Big Boy or Jack in the Box?  I dodn't even know there was one in  
Lockport.

: Here's some more....
: 
: Gleasons resturant on Niag. Falls Blvd, complete with Car Hops (on roller
: skates)

I remember the name, but I can't recall where it was.  I think it was past the  
Youngmann, around Willowdale, but I'm not sure.
  
: The longest, straightest road in America, Transit RD, RT78 from Lockport to
: West Seneca.

Still there, but it's turning into Buffalo's longest, straightest parking lot,  
considering the traffic on there when I was last home. 

: Bill's games in the Rockpile, 

How about Bisons games in the Rockpile?  I think like every other vacant lot on  
the old East Side, they built new houses on the old Rockpile site.

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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:03:56 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello) writes:

>
>It's not obvious, but the anonymous poster is extolling the virtues of
>Endicott and Binghamton.
>
>To which I'd like to add:

	It's only an hour from Elmira! :-)

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From: joe@meaddata.com (Joe Fenzl)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:55:41 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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Baldwinsville - that's the place I go to on some Holidays - not for the 
local attractions but cause I'm from there.  Any one out there attend 
St. Marys, the catholic grammar school?  how about the Tack and Hammer 
with thier 9am happy hour (they started early for the grammar school kids).
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From: fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:50:14 GMT

Kindergarten, at Brighton's now-defunct Brookside Elementary School.
I remember playing in the snow a lot...and I remember Brighton starting
school again before any other district in the Rochester area.  Brighton
_always_ took fewer snow days, come to think of it!

I always used to hate seeing "Brockport" on the list of cancellations,
because it meant they had passed by "Brighton" without announcing it
was cancelled :-(!

Scott Fybush -- fybush@world.std.com
WEGMANS WITHDRAWAL SUFFERER IN WALTHAM MASS. -- GO RED WINGS!!!!!!!!!!
From: reynard@romeo.caltech.edu (Reynard, Gregory J.)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Brian Khale vs. Jimmy Griffin near fist-fight on A.M. Buffalo
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:01 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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	Does anyone have a video tape of the A.M. Buffalo when Jimmy Griffin
nearly got into a fist-fight with Brian Khale (sp.?)?	
	I never got to actually see this but I can imagine it must have been
one of the funniest moments in local T.V. history.  I'd be happy to send a 
blank tape and pay for shipping or whatever if some kind soul would make a
copy of this and send it to me.  Contact me by e-mail or post here.
	Alternatively, if you don't have a tape, I'd be interested in hearing
anybody's recollection of exactly what happened.

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From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:13:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Speaking of Bells:  (God what an intro)

Who remembers when it was Parkedge?  (What park?)

Also, who remembers the Bonanza right there next to Bells and Might Taco 
that is now a Rite Aid?

Also, some interesting trivia about those bulidings (maybe all those writing 
a FAQ qould be interested)...those buildings were originally aircraft hangars
for Curtis Wright (as in Kitty Hawk and flying the plane) and the street that
I used to live on (Curtis Parkway) is where the runway was.  Kind of
interesting.  If you're really interested, bust out a map and check it out.  
You can totally see the lay of the land as being air strips.

Steve Knezevich
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From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:33:58 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Peggy Brown (oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: Anyone ever hear of my hometown, Baldwinsville?  Its a small 
: village about 30 minutes west of Syracuse.

: Whiskey hollow, the Beeville Bees, Smokey Hollow Rd., Lysander,
: Phoenix, the Corner Pharmacy, the Gaslight.....

: - Peggy -

Sure, Peggy.  B'ville had a decent "Bee"ball team back in the late 70s
didn't they?

Scott Dittman
Canton NY/Lexington VA
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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Another recent loss, too:

! Gulf/Cumberland Farms (gas stations/convenience stores) - Sold to Noco 
(mostly), gradually being renovated into BP/Noco stores.
From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:30:18 GMT
Organization: UB

I was 7 years old.  My 5-year-old sister and I dug tunnels in the 7ft deep
piles of snow on our front lawn.  My neighbor helped out others with his
snowmobile by getting groceries, etc..  The Kenmore schools actually
closed!!!  I could go for a storm like that now.......



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From: jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello)
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:27:04 GMT

Mike Sullivan writes:

>Food - who remembers: 

> 1) A place we called the PIG STAND around Endicott ? Is it still there ?
>    It was a drive in place for good barbeque.

Main Street in Endwell, and one in Binghamton as well.  Singularly
wonderful pork barbeque sandwiches.  It developed my taste for pork and
now I live in the BBQ capital of the world, North Carolina (please, no
flames).

> 2) City Chicken ? 

I had a friend that thought this was made from pigeons.

> 3) Those "Greek" restaurants (The Spot, and one in Binghamton I can't 
>    remember the name) Good cheesecake there as well... 

My favorite was the Pantheon, on Monroe Street in Downtown Endicott.
Those guys whipped up a mean California Hamburger, and make Greek food
once a week, I think on Wednesday nights.  Terribly exotic food for a
fifteen-year-old, but I ate every crumb.  Those guys were in charge of
the food at the Vestal Greek Church's spring festival, every May or
June.

>Mike Sullivan  - sullivan@commodore.com
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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <42DPXB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes...
>v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>> 
>> 	And one more thing-I don't think any place that borders on New Jersey
>> quite counts as upstate. This is not a slur on NJ, the state where I was born
>> and raised (as, indeed, were several other people whose names have been linke
>> historically with upstate NY-James Fenimore Cooper, Grover Cleveland, and 
>> Edmund Wilson-a connection that has enriched both regions) just a matter of
>> simple fact. If you accept Orange County as upstate, you are putting a large
> 
>     Um, not to pick nits, (but I will anyway (-:)..); Edmund Wilson 
>lived in Talcottville (where my mother grew up), and since it's part of 

Yes, I know where it is, but my point was that he was originally from New 
Jersey (Red Bank, to be precise-coincidentally, also the home of Count Basie)
as am I.

>Lewis County (at least I think it is), it qualifies as *Northern* New 
>York, not "upstate".  Just to see myself in print once again, if it's 
>considered "upstate" by the denizens of NYC, it was considered 
>"downstate" by those of us living in the northern tier.  Nothing north of 
>Syracuse/Rome/Utica was considered "upstate".

Of course, from downstate's viewpoint that makes no difference. But then again
when you live as far north of albany as Albany is of New York, I can see where
you're coming from. Frederick Exley wrote about that in "a Fan's Notes".

> 
>-Bob
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From: varmette@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (SHIRLEY VARMETTE - SOCIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:15:00 GMT

In article <C16DAB.6w5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes...
>In article <1993Jan20.153638.21024@crd.ge.com>, bownes@peterpan.crd.ge.com (Keptin Komrade Dr. Bobwrench III) writes...
>>The dividing line is where the accent stops! As someone said, it's
> 
>Another good idea...
> 
>>not something you can draw a line over, it's more of a gradual fade, which
>>finally thins out to a tolerable level somewhere different for each of us.
> 
>Just what I was saying. You can't draw a concrete line easily, but I think you
>can take two communities and say "X is upstate, Y is downstate".
> 
>> 
>>Upstate is in the mind and eye of the beholder. To me, it is the rolling 
>>hills southeast of Syracuse set ablaze by the fire of the maple leaves in
> 
>Mmmm...just make me nostalgic for my undergraduate days. I would find any 
>excuse to drive down into southern Onondaga county on beautiful fall weekends-
>especially to Otisco Lake. It's an unforgettable sight.
> 
>>the fall, the green forests of the Hudson Valley above the Mowhawk that 
>>make me glad to be alive in June, the slow, pondering waters of the
>>Otselic full of trout in May, The cornfields next to the farm I grew up on
>>as a teenager, the Civic Center theatres in Syracuse, Mill brook outside
>>Margaretville, the drive from Troy to Bennington at 3 am for doughnuts as
>>a crazed college student, the drive down Rt 22 from Rt 90 to Millerton every
>>Memorial day weekend with the western edge of the Berkshires looming out
>>of the fog at 6:30 in the morning.
> 
>> 
>>To me, someone who moved onto a farm near Syracuse from suburban Ohio at 
>>age 11 and has moved around numerous times since, this little part of the 
>>world, like no other anywhere, is best defined by the feeling I have
>>when I am here, Home.
>> 
> 
>You just about summed it up. It's the intangibles more than anything else, but
>I can tell upstate means the same things to you that it does to me. I love 
>meeting kindred sprits.
> 
>> 
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> 
>								Dan Case

Where the accent stops???  I have to tell this story.  I grew up near Glens
Falls and like many spent a summer waitressing in Lake George.

One day a couple who were apparently from NYC or the island asked me,
"Where are you from?  You have the strangest accent!"