HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:56:49 GMT

In article <1drbfsINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:


|> >9- Would it be wise to join a motorcycle club in the mean time, to learn

|> I've heard good things about the Denizens of Doom...

WHERE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

goddamnedsillypeoplesayinggoodthingsabouttheDoD.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:54:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov13.031330.16775@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>
>	Seriously, I like to be able to take my helmet off, get change,
>	get money (if I had any) from the cash machine, etc. etc. without
>	having to take my gloves off (although I guess I could still get
>	cash with full gloves). The impression I get is that any fingered
>	gloves that are light enough to still allow these actions are only
>	going to give me very marginal protection and I would prefer heavier,
>	fingerless gloves that would at least protect my palms.
>
Had a pair of close fitting buck skin gloves that got wet then shrank to fit.
They did just what you described and lasted a couple years.

Chas

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk (njb)
Subject: British rides 
Distribution: world
Organization: "Industrial EcoDeath Corp"
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:14:00 +0000


In article <1992Nov4.111125.6249@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:

>Any votes for the country with the stupidest riders/drivers :-) :-).

It has to be the Swesds. I've never been there, 
but don't they *all* drive V*lv*s?



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Helmet Sold!
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:39:33 GMT

The RF-200 black medium has been sold.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:16:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I've given up on trying to educate idiots, I just get out of there as fast as I
can. If the person is smaller or non-threatening I might try an attempt to remind
them that they just risked someone elses life, but I never use foul language
( except with my friends ) it just turns people off right away. Once they hear
an attack , they just stop listening and start attacking back.


If someone touches my car or my bike, I get their license and insurance info
period!

If they so much as scratch my vehicle they will pay, this is the only real way to educate
an idiot. ( as if I haven't been that idiot more times then I can remember)

Dave
DoD 1085
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:31:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.daved.721409496
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov10.052544.26814@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <daved.721341979@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>>I have a few questions to add to this debate:
>>
>>1) Why should anyone at your work place need to know your sexual 
>>   orientation? Sex should be left at home. There is already to
>>   much sexual harrassment and discrimination at work. Let's all strive
>>   for an assexual workplace.

>I don't agree.  I prefer to have a friendly workplace.  Part of
>friendliness is knowing more about people, and that sometimes includes
>their sexual orientation.  Straight people have no compunction about
>revealing their sexual identities; why should gay people? 

If they trust the people they work with to not hold it against them then
maybe they should, but In this wonderful world I make it a practice of not 
sharing any information with any co-worker, that my co-worker would find
offensive, both out of respect for their values and to protect myself from
a negative reaction on their part. Would you tell your Boss you once
broke some unimportant law, if you felt he would lose respect for you?

Use common sense, you don't have to advertise your political and sexual beliefs
at work. If the work place is open and friendly you may want to, but work is not
the place to get approval for all your personnel and political decisions.
IN a perfect world everyone would respect everyone else but this isn't a 
perfect world.

>>
>>2) Does colorado have any job or civil rights protection in place for the
>>   general population?  I know that I must document and warn any employee
>>   of specific conditions displaying lack of job performance prior to  
>>   termination.

>The discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation which is encouraged
>by CO2 has nothing to do with job performance.  The people who sponsored
>the measure want the freedom to fire people for not for what they do at
>work, but for what they do off work. 

The question was, should a protected class be created on the basis of sexual
orientation. The words "protected class" have a special meaning under the law
to offer protection above and beyond normal civil and job rights. I am sorry
but I do not believe a person is entitled to special protection above and
beyond other people based on sexual orientation. I hope your emotional response
is not indicative of what will happen. Perhaps we should be working for more
rights for all people. I can still be fired for riding a motorcycle if my boss doesn't 
doesn't like bikers.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 21:42:51 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University
Keywords: this is not bait

In article <1350@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> pdomain@emory.edu (Mike Mitten) writes:
>So, I took the MSF Rider Course in August, and I've been looking to
>get my first motorcycle.  Indications seem to be that I should
>start with something 500cc or under.  Now, I've got a line on a
>bike for a *very* good price, but it's an 850.  What I'm wondering
>is, why shouldn't I get it?
>
I've learned that suggesting an arbitrary engine size for a first time rider
may be inappropriate.  There are many factors to concider.  As metioned
already throtle control is very important with larger engines.  Other factors
are also important like type of riding (you said in town and out of town),
whether or not you plan to carry a passenger, your ability to handle the
height and weight of a particlar bike, how much damage will there be to
yourself or the bike if you lose control, etc.  There is also a lot of
variance in the amount of power between different which have nearly the same
engine size.
     For example, my lady's 550cc four is much quicker off the line than my
500.  I recently test rode a 750cc that was much faster than the 550.  I also
test rode an 800 that wasn't noticably different from my 500.  The 800 had
better crash bars than my bike and some other good features like better brakes.
That is to say that that 800 may be more suitable for a first time rider than
my 500, especially if the rider planned to travel long distances with a
passenger.
     I've seen first time riders in MRC:RSS classes who could easily handle
about any bike available.  I've also seen experienced touring bike riders who
nearly caused me to nearly fill my drawers when on a 250cc range bike.  What
is more important than engine size it that you know your own limits, know your
machines capabilities, and ride within those limits.

Chas
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: (More bike problems...)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:44:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.212810.7851@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
|
|     My OL had a similar problem with her training wheels GS. 

Does a bike with training wheels countersteer?

|      I changed the fuse, installed a US made flasher 

Are you sure?  How do you know?

|and bought a
|headlight assembly from a local Harley shop that uses a $4.00 car
|lamp instead of the funny "I can get one in about 2 weeks" $37.50
|stock unit, and have had no more trouble.

Of course, the headlight assembly was probably manufactured offshore,
to carry that kind of price.  :-)

I take it that it was a sealed beam?  Boy, I would be more careful
than that, in that case, running without that fuse in line.  Live
and learn, eh?

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:46:06 GMT

In article <1deoc2INNcau@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) says:
>> 
>> 	Touch one sometime after a long, hard ride.  They get HOT!!!
>
>Just what type of shaft are we talking about here?

	A DRIVE shaft.  Actually, a final drive housing.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF  1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Re: Uneven pavement
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:13:31 GMT

>   If in doubt, slow down or stop, evaluate and take appropriate action.

??  the first half of this sounds more like a cager reaction:
when in doubt BRAKERIGHTAWAY!

the motorcyclist's pledge, on the other hand, is:

	"when in doubt, gas it"

:-) * 1/2

haven't seen an answer on how to change to a lane that is 4" higher
than your current lane -- that is, a 90-degree approach is not an
option, avoiding the lane change is not an option (e.g. construction
forces merging down to one lane), and slowing down to a stop is not
an option (e.g. on a highway with traffic).  aside from the "get out
of it however you can" answers, how do you hop a step like that?

noemi
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noemi@cs.ucla.edu (for now)     				KotSBL
DoD #443  						'82 KZ 305 CSR
							(hang in there!)
	Next Motorcycle (NM) countdown: $3000 and/or one job
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The last one of its kind ?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:43:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 17134@megatek.com, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>
>  Ed, learn to edit your attribution lines a little better - I stated none
>of the stuff you quoted...

Yeah, so?

Elsewhere on USENET you may be entitled to an apology.  Around here,
you're God, so you should be able to fix such trivialities yourself.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:10:18 GMT

In article <1dn4s0INNc66@agate.berkeley.edu> tedcrum@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ted Crum) writes:
>re "the finger": Most of the time it means "I know I'm wrong and I don't
>give a damn."
>
>-TC

Not to me. To me it means screw off, wake up and watch where the hell
your going, you could have killed someone.
I suppose you think it's the cops fault when protesters burn there cars?
But since you're from Berkley...
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: I fought the law and won (again)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:54:45 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.


From an article in Performance Bikes, December 1992.

Headline - "Radar speed trap case is thrown out"
Sub - "'prosecutions would be unsafe' says Magistrate"

MAGHERAFELT Court has held it would be unsafe to convict in a
speeding case where more than one vehicle is approaching the
radar gun.

The case involved two Co. Armargh motor cyclists who appeared
at Tuesday's court charged with exceeding the 30mph speed limit
in Desertmartin on April 18 last.

R M Maurice McHugh upheld a submission by defence solicitor Jerome
Haughey that as the motor cyclists were travelling close together
it was impossible to say which of their speeds the radar gun had
picked up.

Mr Haughey said it was a novel prosecution in view of the fact
that both motorcyclists were being charged with speeding when the
radar gun was capable of picking up the speed of only one of them.

He argued the court could not accept that both cyclists were
travelling at 65mph - the speed recorded on the radar gun - just
because the police officer operating it said they were travelling
at a uniform distance of 10 yards behing each other

Mr Haughey said in view of the fact the police officer was unable
to tell the court which of the motorcyclists' speeds he had picked
up on the radar gun, the prosecution against neither of them
could succeed.

Following Mr Haughey's submissions, the prosecution withdrew the
charge against the leading motorcyclist, Roger George McElnea, of
Monagahn Road, Armagh, and the RM dismissed the charge against
the second cyclist, Malcolm Shaw, Bachelor's walk, Keady.

--------
This article was cut from a newspaper and sent in to PB along
with the following letter :

Title : 'Loophole'

Now that the notion of porcine infallibility has been kicked
squarely in the bollocks (above), let's hope more bikers who've
been unjustly 'hair-dryered' in the line of duty can use this
decision to send plod home without a result.
Sean, Markethill.

--------

That was a DoD Public Safety Information (TM) Bulletin.

Antony.
DoD#1832
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:12:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


Worst drivers? You should come over here. The word bikerscum was coined here,
I reckon. Car drivers assume all bikers are 16 year old greasy psychopaths,
and that it is their social duty to kill them before they reach breeding age.
The police also think this and stop you for just bumbling along 10mph below
the limit on deserted roads on a BIKE_!_
                                      !
                                      !
All in all, we dont have the best public profile here, and this shows in the
crowding, cutting up, and universal tailgating of bikes. The only way to survive
long term is to switch to combat mode as soon as you fire the ting up. If you're
not running pure fivestar, you're reactions arent up to the job.


I've seen your Stateside traffic problems a few times - God I wish we had your
problems! American drivers are pathologically polite. One of my freinds summed
 it up descibing the no priority junctions. Here, everyone would assume they had
priority, and the junction would block with the lump of tangled metal in the 
middle. There, everyone waits for everyone else and the junction blocks up 
much the same!

Nothing like a good whine to stop you putting the fist thru the terminal 
when its this slow!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: gdelong@ctron.com (Gary A Delong)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: was Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:25:40 GMT
Reply-To: gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong)
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.

In article <1280033@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> pazar@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Steve Pazar) writes:
>
>Hey Ed, I've got an idea...lets have the govornment outlaw stupidity. After
>all is said and done, this is the root of the problem. Buy how do you
>enforce it? ( :-) )
>
>*  STEVE PAZAR           DoD #702           Kawasaki KZ440A

Well, as a result of the election, I posted this to rec.humor.
It looks like it fits this situation as well.

I may have once read this someplace, but it also MAY be
original:

  "It's impossible to under-estimate the
   intelligence of the American voter."

   (if original) copyright (c) 1992, Gary A. Delong

--Gary

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From: richw@BofA.com (Richard Wolfe)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:22:29 GMT
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906

Maybe you were driving a stealth bus??  This thread reminds me of a story:
Back when I was a kid, my dad had a fellow working for him named Freddy,
the (self-proclaimed) "World's Greatest Lover".  He was nothing if not
macho and was always showing off in his car ("The World's Fastest") '57
Chevy.  

One day he was sitting at a stop lite and got this irresistible urge to
show off.  He started gunning the engine--vroom, vrooom--, looking at the
lite, gunning the engine, looking at the lite ... .  The light changed  and
he punched it; he accelerated smartly--for about 3 feet--he was the SECOND
car in line ... .  My poor dad had to go to the police station and lie
about what a good worker Freddy was to keep him out of jail ... .

Cheers.
-rich
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Uneven Front tyre
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:46:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 921@rider.UUCP, joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
>
>you're wrong. count the number of people that agree
>with me and the number that agree with you and it should become apparent.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!

Physics by consensus?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: R100GS final drive trouble
Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:46:19 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

So, I was walking up to my bike, which was parked on campus, when
I saw that the rear tire looked awfully shiny...

It turned out that oil had leaked out of the final drive case and
had coated the wheel and part of the tire.  After considerable
thought and inspection, I decided it was OK to ride a mile or
so the BMW shop.

Once there, the determination was made that the oil in the final
drive had absorbed so much water that it had overflowed through
the breather.  (Oops!)  The fact that I have to ride in the rain
quite a bit doesn't help the situation.  Also, my trips tend
to be fairly short (10-15 miles) so, I'm told, the water doesn't
get a chance to heat up boil out of the oil in the drive.

They told me:
 - Go for a long (50mi+) ride every once in a while
 - Think about changing the drive fluid more often than the
   manual suggests

Comments?


-- 
-
-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:44:07 GMT

In article <1dc2gpINNkmf@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:

>lose spots.  Break-in is the period in which you gently run the motor,
>gradually increading revs and loads, and let the little parts rub
>against each other and file themselfs down and chip each other off
>(microscopically) until they all fit together well.

In fact, the engine isn't the prime reason anymore. The manufacturers now
break in the engine before it even gets to the frame, using special oil, 
special speed cycles, etc. There are still lots of other bike parts that 
don't get worn in at the factory, like the steering, suspension, brakes, 
tires, etc. Be gentle.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada