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Subject: Re: Texas bailout and conf. alignment rumors
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:40:53 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BuK513.EE8@rice.edu>, rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
> From the Saturday 9/12/92 Houston Chronicle, FRONT PAGE (lead story):
...
>    Big Ten officials deny their league is looking to expand, but the
> conference has already added Penn State as an 11th member.  UT sources
> said texas, Notre Dame, and either Missouri or Nebraska are being
> considered for expansion by Big Ten officials.  If three schools
> joined, the league could split into two divisions of seven teams each,
> similar to the format adopted by the SEC this season.
>    'Big Ten officials are waiting to see how well the payouts work
> from the SEC's divisional playoffs in December,' the source said,
> referring to this year's inaugural SEC Championship Game.  'If it is a
> big payout, than expect the Big Ten to look to move.'
>     Sources also say the Pac-10 is looking to expand, with Texas, BYU,
> and Colorado the prime candidates.' "

	Hmmm.  Big Ten (14)	East		West
				Penn State      Nebraska
				Ohio State      Texas
				Michigan        Minnesota
				Michigan St.    Iowa
				Indiana         Northwestern
				Purdue          Illinois
				Notre Dame      Wisconson

	I like it.  Except the east looks a lot better than the west.  Perhaps
they would go to non-regional divisions:

			Hayes			Schembechler
			Ohio State              Michigan
			Nebraska                Notre Dame
			Texas                   Illinois
			Penn State		Indiana
			Purdue			Iowa
			Michigan State		Minnesota
			Northwestern		Wisconson

:)

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From: l0c99@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:36:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

My impressions of the ND and Michigan game are:

1) ND was simply lucky to tie the game -- well, God was on its side, as 
   always.

2) Michigan: a bad call and a BAD pass threw the game away by Michigan

3) Lou Holtz simpky sucks -- he did not even want to win the game!

4) Both teams are way overated.

Bob

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From: swanger@news.duc.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Bama 17,  S. Miss 10
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:01:19 GMT

In article <68186@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (Chen) writes:
> 
> 
> Is it just me, or is Bama's offense more pathetic than the one we had last
> year?  There's gotta be something wrong when you have 383 total yards
> and the other team only has 54 and you only win by 7.  Take away 
> the defensive and special team scores, and our offense has scored a
> grand total of 29 points in two games.  If we didn't have a great  
> defense, Alabama would go 3-8 this year.

So far, Bama's offense has kind of stunk.  Still, a win is a win.  BYU
scored a lot of points last week and lost.  I'm not saying Bama could
have held Faulk any better than BYU, but I don't think they would have 
done any worse.

> So what's wrong with our offense?  Is it David Palmer's suspension?
> Is it Mal Moore?  Is it the uniforms?

Its gotta be the shoes Money!  (or is it the booze...)
On paper, the tide has several good offensive players.  Either they just
aren't executing or its the coaching.

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Prediction: Texas/Syracuse
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:08:41 EDT
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Organization: Cornell University

Unbiased prediction: ;-)

The 'Cuse:  41
    Texas:  20

You heard it here first.  Whoa, Nellie!
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs. Michigan
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:58:05 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Sep14.152333.11381@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Patrick W Lauson writes:
>
>>One question:  Could somebody who taped this game PLEASE check and see who
>>got the ball first in the first half?  I must be losing my mind completely,
>>b/c I was sure I heard the announcer say that ND had elected to receive in
>>the first half.  Then, they got the ball first in the 2nd half as well..
>>Somebody please clarify this for me, before I go nuts!
>
>I wondered about this myself.  Notre dame recieved the kickoff at the begining 
>of both halves.  This was kind of odd to me because had Notre Dame won the 
>toss, Lou Holtz would have elected to defer his choice until the second half.  
>But then again, i wasn't overly impressed with Chris Collinsworth at all, so I 
>would not find it surprising if he didn't just plain mess this up.
>
>     - Pat
>.
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   In fact, the announcer did mess up.  I was mildly supprised to hear ND
elected to receive in the first half but Michigan actually received the
kickoff.
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue record set
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:02:57 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Wow!  I just read a post in which a Purdue fan boasted about how Purdue
is going to beat California.  This sets a modern day record for "latest
date in the season for a Purdue woof".  Congratulations.  I don't think
this will be broken this year.
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: tu rumor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.143601.13198@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>
>semper fi,
>

  Pardon my ignorance. I've seen "semper fi" often, on bumper stickers and 
other places, and often there is a Marine Corps bumper sticker along with it.
What does "semper fi"  stand for ?  
 
Thanks for the enlightening.

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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:15:19 GMT

In article <9209101230.AA26206@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.181742.22986@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
>saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>I was thinking solely along the lines of driving time and geographical
>placement when I differed.  I agree with you in that Penn State is much
>more inaccessible than UT.  What are the Big 10 teams going to do?  Fly
>into Pittsburgh and then bus into State College?

No, teams usually fly into Harrisburg and bus to State College -- about
2 1/2 hours on the road, I think.  Brian guessed earlier that the drive
from State College to Columbus was 6-7 hours, which is about right (3
1/2 hours from S.C. to Pittsburgh plus 3 1/2 from the 'burgh to
Columbus).

I think Colorado's closest conference foes are Nebraska and Oklahoma,
both (Lincoln and Norman) 12 hours away by car.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:47:28 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Deuce is Juiced, Part II

I really have no idea how all this will pan out, but I'm
pretty sure--or, at least, I hope--that if Palmer does
remain on the team Stallings will make it contingent on
staying in a rehab program.

That Palmer would pull a DUI within 12 hours of being forced
to watch from the sidelines in the Vandy game suggests that
the boy has a serious problem.

We'll see . . .


Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal vs. Purdue (was: Weekly top 25)
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:52:51 GMT
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I can't see Cal winning by less than 20 at Purdue.  Purdue is better
than they have been, but that's like saying George Bush is getting
better on environmental policy.

My prediction:  Cal 31 Purdue 10

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                   and effected a change in her affections.

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UMich-ND bickering (was Re: ND's DuBose Situation)
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:24:53 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) wrote:
} 
}Not to be nit-picky, but the Irish streak was at four until 
}UM beat them last year.  Michigan hasn't lost 6 of the 
}last 7 games with ND.  I don't have the records handy to back 
}it up ...

Michigan beat Notre Dame 24-23 in 1986 to spoil Lou Holtz'
coaching debut there.  That deserves a quick round of
"Hail to the Victors Valiant" or whatever that song
is called. ;-)

-- 
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    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 Preview
Keywords: pac10 preview
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:03:15 GMT

In article <randall.716076945@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>
>                             PAC-10 PREVIEW
>                         for September 12, 1992
>
>
>  Wisconsin (0-0) at Washington (1-0):   The Husky defense looks  more
>  human  this  year  after  a less-than-awesome performance at Arizona
>  State last week.   ASU back Mario Bates rushed for over  200  yards,
>  unusual  for a UW defense that gave up only 67 ypg rushing last sea-
>  son.  If ASU had anything but a fourth-string QB last week, it might
>  have  been  a difficult one for UW.   Wisconsin is an improving pro-
>  gram, coming off a 5-6 season last  year.   The  Badgers  have  some
>  talent,  but  they  are still pretty young, particularly on offense.
>  Husky back Napoleon Kaufmann should have another good day against  a
>  defense  that  averaged almost 200 ypg rushing last year.  Wisconsin
>  might surprise the Huskies early by scoring an early TD or two,  but
>  then lack of size and depth will do them in.  Prediction: Washington
>  40, Wisconsin 10.
>
    I seriously doubt if a lack of size will do UW in. The Badgers go  
    about 285 on the avergae on the OL and about 275 on the average on
    the DL. Depth and youth is another matter. I think the Badgers will
    keep the spread under 4 TDs, 35-13.

    --salty
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Subject: Re: Robert Smith/OSU's crushing of Louisville
From: copus@pa621a.inland.com
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:23:51 CDT
 <1992Sep7.172710.28006@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992Sep8.144244.6389@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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In article <1992Sep8.144244.6389@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.172710.28006@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@frankenstein.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>> a bunch of stuff that I agree with
> 
> A few of my thoughts about the game and the discussion that has been going
> on: 

> 
> I thought it was the most interesting and varied offensive playcalling
> in quite a few years for the Buckeyes.  That play-action stuff always bothered
> me in obvious passing situations.  And hey, I love to see the passes to the
> backs for a change - when was the last time you saw the fullback catching
> passes in the Buckeye offense?  I don't think they passed as much as they'd
> like to, but I think that'll change as the season goes on.
> 

  I got a chill when I heard the crowd go wild the first time that they
  went to the shotgun on 3rd and long.  I got an even greater thrill after
  the play failed when the crowd cheered the offense as it left the field.  

  Everyone thinks its been so long since the Buckeyes last used the
  shotgun but didn't they use it in long yardage situations routinely when
  Colletto was still at Ohio State?

> I thought Herbstreit had a good game - better than you can say for a lot of
> guys.  He had one bad throw that was intercepted and made a bad judgement call
> on the other interception.  Other than that, I really thought he played well,
> and as was pointed out, his stats seem to back this up.
>

  Agreed.  If he is able to hit high of a percentage of his passes the
  TDs will come.  I'll rather he throw the interceptions against the
  pre-B10 competition and work the kinks out early than have to throw later
  in the year and not have the confidence to do it.
   
> Anyway, the Buckeyes should count their blessings, and use this game as a
> learning tool.  They can start by using it to learn not to take opponents
> too lightly.  That would be a real good lesson to learn this particular week.
> 

  Agreed! It was only the first game of the year and they won it.  I'ld like
  to see improvement throughout the year.  If they do that, who knows
  where they'll spend January 1, 1993.




 Len


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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.041232.22656@news.unomaha.edu> skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Martin L. Burrell) writes:
>
>Washington, Colorado, and Oklahama will find it very difficult to move the 
>ball this year. Which brings up the offense. Derrick Brown and Calvin Jones are

I wouldn't count on that...  remember last year, Nebraska played real well
against pasties like colorado state only to get thrashed by UW and Miami.

>       Sept. 19   Nebraska 24  Washington 17!!

We'll see on 19th how good they really are...

Njan
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: StupidWimpyConference Update
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:26:52 GMT

Well, with 9 games under their belt so far, the SWC has two whole
wins to its credit - both belonging to A&M.  Every other SWC team 
is starting the season 0-1.

Oklahoma 34           Texas Tech 9    (last Thursday)

Baylor 9              Louisiana Tech 10
Texas Christian 7     New Mexico 24
Texas 10              Mississippi State 28
Air Force 30          Rice 21
Tulsa 28              Houston 25
Tulane 13             Southern Methodist 12
Texas A&M 31          LSU 22


This "impressive" opening, IMHO, doesn't bode well for the SWC's quest
to improve its image.  To quote a Houston Chronicle coumnist: "seven
games and seven different chances to prove the SWC is back."  I'd say
it tdidn't happen.


Rice notes:  The game was on the radio, no TV.  Rice could have won
their game vs. Air Force.  Rice was blown out in the first half (21-0
at one point).  In the third quarter Rice dominated, yet TWICE they were
within touchdown range and got called for 15+ yard penalties.  The
radio guys claim the officiating was terrible towards Rice - I don't
know - its wasn't on TV to judge.  They did mention 2 offsides that
were obvious from their booth that didn't get called.  Of course, the
official were from the WAC :)

Rice seems to still have their problem from last year: they come on
strong but trip at the finish line (like last years 29-28 loss to
Iowa State after pulling many of the starters out with a ~10 point lead and
a few minutes left).  Still, with the "impressive" showing of the SWC
so far, a 0.500+ season (first since 1963, I think) is easily within
their grasp.


ObWoof:  Go Jackets!  Don't choke vs. Western Carolina!

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

 "I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
  reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use."  - Galileo
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Weekly top 25
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:28:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep8.163713.3811@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>
>Since I firmly believe that FSU will beat Miami this year I see a
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Miami in Orange Bowl? You guys couldn't do it in Talahasee (sp?) last
year!

Miami might lose, but it won't be against FSU. Also, FSU better start worrying
about Clempson...

>Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini

Njan
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Upset Early, Lousy Season
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:50:52 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) wrote:
}
}I can remember in the early 80s, when Georgia Tech beat a Bear Bryant-coached
}Bama IN BIRMINGHAM. Then the wreck preceeded to lose the remaining 10 games
}of the season.....

And boy, was it worth it! ;-)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "What will happen in the evening in the forest with the weasel with
  the teeth which bite so sharp when you're not looking in the evening?"
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: ND vs. Michigan
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.131421.21483@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <JOHNDOE92Sep14.133428@squid.inmet> johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>
>
>>endings ever to a college football game.  if notre dame and michigan both go
>>undefeated-once tied this year, expect michigan to get the nod.
>>
>>-johndoe
>
>I'd really like to hear your justification for this.

Assuming all else is equal (no defeats for either team, schedule strength
turns out to be the same, margins of victory turn out to be the same,
no controversial wins for either team), I'd say that Michigan would
deserve the championship more than Notre Dame.  Notre Dame was at home,
Michigan wasn't.

I wouldn't worry about it much, though.  The chances that the final
decision on the national championship will finally rest on who was the
home team in an early season tie are miniscule.  Even if Notre Dame
and Michigan do both go undefeated (a highly unlikely scenario, I think),
the schedule strengths won't work out to be the same, and one of the
teams will probably have won its games more convincingly than the other.
If Notre Dame is the team with these advantages, few will vote against
them because they were the home team in a tie game.  If Michigan is the
team with these advantages, these advantages will make the difference,
not tying on the road.  From a purely strategic point of view, I'd say
the Irish's chances of losing the game at the end (due to a turnover or
failure to move the ball, giving Michigan another chance) were several
times the chances of this tie making the difference between Michigan
and Notre Dame, at the end of the season.  Given the bowl alliance, a 
once-tied Notre Dame team is highly likely to play any other undefeated 
team (except the Big 10/Pac 10 champions), so chances are excellent that 
the tie won't make the difference against any other team, either.

Notre Dame fans have much better things to worry about than whether
this tie will cost them the national championship.  Like their defense,
Penn State, Stanford, and USC.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: aggies, hello???
Keywords: aggies and HORNS
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.165725.7456@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>
>I know this will start it,  Aggies are predictible.
>
>Why no aggie woofing???  What happened to the blowout of Tulsa???
>
>Defense- Great              Offense- ????
>
>I didn't see the game so I'm really not sure why the final score was the
>way it was.  Please, fill me in.

Golly-Gee, Chris, I guess us Aggies _are_ predictable, at least I must be.
When someone says 'please, fill me in', I tend to want to try to fill them in.

As for why no post-game Aggie woofing, maybe it's because it was an ugly win.
The defense was great, the offense pretty much sucked, tho Hill did pretty 
good.  The nine points for Tulsa came off of two fumbles and an interception, 
all inside the Tulsa 30 yard line.  The defense keeped them out on all three 
occasions.  Our offense come together a little bit in the second half, but 
we still had some problems.  I personally would not rank us number 5.

RC says that they are trying to develop the passing game...
"It's a painful growth process to get to the point where you're a better 
throwing team, and we're going through that right now.  I wish we were
further along, but we aren't.  We know how to run the ball, but I'm trying
to develop an offense that can be effective against all types of defenses
and against defenses that are as talented as we are.  We're going to keep
doing it and get better at it."

>BTW-  Won 20 bucks, took Tulsa and the points.
>
>I predict an allout WAR come Thanksgiving Day.

As always.

>                                        HOOK 'EM HORNS,

- goober (always willing to help out one of our dwarfs) smith