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From: alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger)
Subject: Re: Hebrew Fonts
Organization: AT&T Engineering Research Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:12:33 GMT

In article <92288.160907MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> Mike S. <MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>   Is there anyone who has access to Hebrew fonts for Banner Mania?
>   I need a copy very soon, and would really appreciate it if it
>   can be sent to me somehow.
>
>                             Thanks


I am reasonably certain that the ONLY source for Hebrew Bannermania
fonts is Davka Corporation in Chicago. Anyone that offers you
one for free has almost certainly copied it from what was originally
Davka's product. 

I know this because I investigated making such fonts myself and
it is not a trivial matter that can be done by a hacker using
available tools in a short period of time, rather you would need
help from Broderbund Software. Davka's number is (800)621-8227.

-- 
               		Alan Lustiger
    |_ | |             	AT&T Bell Laboratories ERC, Princeton, NJ
     /   |( 		attmail!alustiger or att!pruxk!alu or lustiger@att.com
From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Kaddish for pets?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:01:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Is there a rule/ruling on whether one may say Kaddish for a pet?


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
From: mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Reply-To: mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.015854.3744@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
>In article <2AD1E105.6518@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) writes:
>>As a young, Jewish college student, I am tired of hearing about attempts
>>by other Jews to interfere with healthy, interracial and intercultural
>>relationships.  I believe that the needs and desires of the individual
>>come before those of his/her culture, and furthermore, I believe that
>>any attempts to undermine these rights are unethical.
>...
>>
>>For those of you involved in interracial relationships, I salute
>>your courage to stand up to the oppressive elements within the
>>global Jewish community.
>>
>>Marc Krawitz
>
>And I salute you, Marc Krawitz, for having the guts to publicly say
>in a Jewish newsgroup that the continued existence of the Jewish
>people is of no concern to you, and that your needs outweigh those
>of the Jewish community as a whole. It is also refreshing to hear
>a Jewish college student explicitly say that the destruction of his
>people is "healthy," as interrmarriage is a "fundamental tool"
>for reducing racism, cleverly implying that those of us who actually
>value the Jewish religion are racists.  (BTW, when did race enter
>the picture? Or do you view Judaism as a race? I think I've heard
>that done once before...)
>
>--
>               		Alan Lustiger
>    |_ | |             	AT&T Bell Laboratories ERC, Princeton, NJ
>     /   |( 		attmail!alustiger or att!pruxk!alu or lustiger@att.com

This is a blatant misrepresentation of my earlier post.  I do NOT believe
that the destruction of Judaism is healthy, nor am I implying that those
who do not intermarry are racists.  What I am implying (see my original
article) is that Jews deserve a choice in this matter, without having
to endure harassment from friends, family, or colleagues.  The key word
here is *choice*.  I am not saying that it is wrong, or racist to marry
other Jews, I am only saying that Jews (particularly non-religious Jews
like myself) have a right to marry anyone they wish.  Is that not a
fundamental right in any democracy?  If the idea of intermarriage
represents some kind of irrelevant, extremist philosophy, than why
is the intermarriage rate among Jews so high?

I would like to conclude this post by apologizing to anybody who was
offended by my earlier post.  I guess I just wanted the readers of
s.c.j. to hear another point of view, particularly from a young person
like myself, who is strongly effected by this volatile issue.

Marc Krawitz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Question
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:15:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

In article <29710@ursa.bear.com>, millman@indigo.bear.com (Phillip Millman)
wrote:
> 
> 
> I was under the impression that we didn't were leather shoes on Yom Kippur.
> But at shul I noticed some men wearing Rockports (Rubber Soles).  When
> I inquired they said that the law is for leather soles on shoes.
> 
> Which is right and wear does the law come from?
> 
> Phillip Millman
> millman@bear.com
> --
> Phillip Millman					millman@bear.com
> The opinions expressed are those of Phillip Millman and not that of 
> Bear Stearns & Co. Inc.  I think it is better that way.

I don't know the exact origin, but the wearing of shoes with ANY leather at
all is prohibited (at least in halachic circles!)

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:32:47 GMT

isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:

>>However, I concede that there were occurences where armed groups of
>>Poles have murdered Jews during the war, due to violent antisemitism
>>or other reasons. 
>There were civilians as well---not just armed gangs of thugs. Okay?
>Please again do not be limiting with little collective nouns.

I was not being limiting.

>And what are the other reasons? To steal their money? Oh yes, that
>is much more comforting. Mass murder takes place and this is the
>time to get rich fast. Hrrumph.

It is always time to get rich quick for some people. Are you suggesting
that robbers stop their activities during wars, or care if their victim
is a Jew or not? Some may do so, but many probably don't.  Besides, I
can also imagine many reasons other then robbery and antisemitism.
People were suspicious of strangers during the war, and it was not
difficult to make mistakes. (I am not suggesting that mistakes account
for a large proportion of killings, but that such things also happened.)


MB
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: INTERNET hookup in New York City
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:50:26 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I have a friend in New York who would like to read s.c.j. and is thus looking
for a free or low cost way to access the INTERNET and a news server. Does
anybody know of such a facility?    aTdHvAaNnKcSe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:56:39 +0200

In: <BvtDwC.LK9@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:

>In article <2AD3FFFF.13320@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) wr
>>
>> article) is that Jews deserve a choice in this matter, without having
>> to endure harassment from friends, family, or colleagues.  The key word
>> here is *choice*.
>
>If your family and friends have a mock funeral for you should you choose
>to intermarry, is that not *their choice*.  Or does choice only go one
>way?

Could someone enlighten  me on a matter of etiquette  and of honouring
one's parents.  If  one's parents have a mock funeral  for one, is one
under some obligation to honour that ceremony by one's presence?

Michael Shimshoni
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rabbinical Literature
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.234813.28487
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <92214@netnews.upenn.edu> rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes:
>>I am aware of several english versions of the Talmud; one edited by 
>>Isidore Epstein, The Babylonian Talmud, 18 vols. (1961), is this still in
>>print? Also, a current one by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, which according to a
>>description I have seen is in 5 vols. (I assume this is a work in progress)
>>how long to completion? is this the Babylonian? Are there any other english
>>editions available? Is there any site on the Internet accessible via Telnet,
>>with an electronic version of the Talmud?
>There are a number of translations around.  There is a standard one put out (I
>believe) by Soncino Press.  Artscroll is currently putting out a translation,
>as is Rabbi Steinsaltz.  The Steinsaltz Talmud includes his own commentary, and
>will be many many volumes (my guess is at least 50); it appears to be running
>2-3 volumes per tractate so far.

As I understand it, Rav Steinsaltz has no intention of doing a
complete English Talmud for Random House. He intends the English
talmud to be a learning tool; readers should use it to work their
way to the real Talmud. The books are set up very well for
learning; they include a pointed & punctuated Hebrew, with both
word-by-word and normal translation, as well as commentaries.

Rav Steinsaltz is also working on a Hebrew talmud, with pointed &
punctuated text as well as (in footnotes) Hebrew translations of
obscure Aramiac words. Much of this has already been published.

All of this is the Babylonian (aka "real") Talmud.

-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Farrakhan, Malcom X and Jews
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:04:22 GMT
	<1992Oct11.204158.1201@midway.uchicago.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of 11 Oct 92 20:41:58 GMT

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
|friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
|>Farrakhan's predecesor as the leader of the Nation of Islam was Malcom X.

|I was under the impression that Farrakhan was aligned with the faction
|of Nation of Islam that had Malcolm X killed.

Jesus Christ.

Malcolm X was never the leader of the Nation of Islam.  That was
another guy.  A bit shorter.  The Honorable Elijah Muhammad.  Malcolm
X was somewhat of the spokesman at some point, but he wasn't the
leader.

And as to whether the Nation of Islam had Malcolm killed... well,
that's up for grabs.  Conflicting evidence and all that.

Ahhh, the state of our education system....

--
Peace.
     "Why wouldn't an enhanced deterrent, a more stable peace, a better
      prospect to denying the ones who enter conflict in the first place
      to have a reduction of offensive systems and an introduction to
      defensive capability.  I believe that is the route this country
      will eventually go."
                            -- Vice President Dan Quayle
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Israeli stocks on the NYSE
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:32:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.131919.11467@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>Just a very naive question from one who doesn't understand much
>about finance (never having had enough money ...:-( ):
>
>If I buy stock in an Israeli company (thus driving up the price a little),
>that helps other stockholders.  But isn't it a very inefficient way to
>help the Israeli company itself?

Well, first and foremost, investments in any stock of any company
should be based on your belief that it is a good financial
investment.   You may have other criteria as well, and that's all
well and good, but if you don't believe the company will do well
financially, you would really be throwing your money away.

That said, you are right that if people demand a stock, the demand
can raise the price.  It helps if the demand is really high, such as
happens when large investors and institutions buy the stock for
their portfolios.  If several insurance companies and mutual funds
all learn the merits of investing in a company then they may buy
large quantities and since word about institutional purchases
circulates rapidly, it has a snowball effect and more buyers
materialize.

So how is a company helped when the price of its shares go up?

For one thing,  if the company issues new shares it will get more
cash for those shares.   And many companies today attract senior and
not so senior managers by tying their compensation packages to the
price of the stock, or to entitlements to shares of the stock at
reduced prices.   So if the price goes up, it's easier to get good
managers.

Furthermore, many companies from time to time finance their
expansion and operations by borrowing money from banks or through
bonds, and the interest rate they pay depends on the financial risk
of the bond.   If the company's ratio of debt to equity is low, the
interest rate would tend to be low, all things being equal.

Having raised lots of cash via stocks increases the equity value in
the denominator and brings down the debt/equity ratio and thus
lowers the interest rate the company pays to borrow funds.

So there are quite a few reasons, not all shown here, why companies
benefit when people are interested in buying their stock.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:36:55 GMT

In article <199210131457.AA27184@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>In: <BvtDwC.LK9@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
>pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
>
>>In article <2AD3FFFF.13320@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) wr
>>>
>>> article) is that Jews deserve a choice in this matter, without having
>>> to endure harassment from friends, family, or colleagues.  The key word
>>> here is *choice*.
>>
>>If your family and friends have a mock funeral for you should you choose
>>to intermarry, is that not *their choice*.  Or does choice only go one
>>way?
>
>Could someone enlighten  me on a matter of etiquette  and of honouring
>one's parents.  If  one's parents have a mock funeral  for one, is one
>under some obligation to honour that ceremony by one's presence?

I don't think the parents would consider the person their child, so
there is no parent/child relationship to require respect.  Besides,
there is no mock funeral, but rather they pick up as if it were the
time after the funeral. (i.e. beginning of shiva)

Of course, if one does choose to attend ones own mock funeral, please
lie still and don't touch the strudel until after the funeral. :-)

Mark
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More Questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:44:03
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 16:44:41 GMT

On 13 Oct 92 16:44:41 GMT, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) said:
> The liberal Jews believe that part 3 is purely a concoction of the
> Rabbis, and has no basis in Jewish Law.  

"Concoction" and "no basis" is too strong. Rather, the Oral Tradition is felt
by groups such as Reform to be authored by Learned Rabbis. It is consulted as
part of the study of the laws, but it viewed as a reflection of the times and
environment in which it was written. However, it is still an excellent source
of guideance.

Daniel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:05:23 GMT

In article <2AD1E105.6518@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) writes:
>
>I hope that other young Jews, like myself, realize that the stigma
>of interracial relationships is quickly fading, along with the influence
>of those who seek to protect the Jewish culture at ALL cost.
>
>Additionally, I believe that interracial marriages and relationships are
>a fundamental tool for reducing racism, since two cultures are forced
>to learn about, and accept one another.
>

I'm unaware of anyone objecting to interracial marriages so long as both
partners are Jewish.
-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
From: jmilikow@csa.bu.edu (jeremy milikow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: computer prices in Israel
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:00:27 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

I'm looking for information on computer prices in Israel. Could anybody 
tell me how much a 386 with 100MB HD, one floppy and a svga monitor.
A quick reply would be greatly appreciated, e-mail if possible.
                          Thanks
                             Jeremy
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Summary: Judaism is NOT a democracy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:37:11 GMT

	[ Note - most of article deleted - dlm ]

In article <2AD3FFFF.13320@ics.uci.edu> mkrawitz@ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz) writes:

# This is a blatant misrepresentation of my earlier post.  I do NOT believe
# that the destruction of Judaism is healthy, nor am I implying that those
# who do not intermarry are racists.  What I am implying (see my original
# article) is that Jews deserve a choice in this matter, without having
# to endure harassment from friends, family, or colleagues.  The key word
# here is *choice*.  I am not saying that it is wrong, or racist to marry
# other Jews, I am only saying that Jews (particularly non-religious Jews
# like myself) have a right to marry anyone they wish.  Is that not a
# fundamental right in any democracy?  If the idea of intermarriage
                           ^^^^^^^^^
# represents some kind of irrelevant, extremist philosophy, than why
# is the intermarriage rate among Jews so high?

	Judaism is NOT a democracy, so you have no democratic right
whatsoever in Judaism to marry anyone you wish.  If you believe that
Juaism is a democracy, than I suggest that you do not understand
Judais at all.

	Also, I believe that in the United States (or at least in certain
states) there are some people (i.e. certain close relatives) that you
are not allowed to marry.  I believe most people would classify the
United States as a democracy.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Summary: You can find a lot with a good guidebook
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct13.000226.3307
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct12.152525.6577@discus.technion.ac.il>, s1495926@techst02.technion.ac.il (Danny Kreindler) Yaakov Gladstone writes:
> I just returned from a trip to Poland where I tried to find
> remnants of Jewish life. There's nothing left, even the
> cemeteries were destroyed.

Actually, there is a lot to see if you can find it. The locals
can't help, since knowledge of this aspect of Polish history
has been systematically suppressed. So a good guidebook is
indispensable. The best is

Przemyslaw Buchard: "Pamiatki i Zabytki Kultury Zydowskiej w
Polsce". Warszawa 1990. Very few Polish bookstores carry it;
your best bet is to contact Przemyslaw Burchard,
ul. Podlesna 15, 01-673 Warszawa, Poland.

The book has detailed listings for hundreds of cities and towns.
In Sandomierz, for example, the State Archives (Archiwum
Panstwowe) on ul. Basztowa is housed in the building of an old
synagogue, built in 1688; synagogue frescoes, with Hebrew
calligraphy and signs of the Zodiac, are still visible. There is
also a restored community center (Dom Kahalny) next to it.
One of the two Jewish cemetaries (the one on ul. Sucha) still
has a few dozen gravestones left, and a monument to some 1000
Jews shot there by the Germans.

> Poland is one big Jewish
> graveyard.  There are hardly any Jews left in Poland, yet
> anti-semitism is quite alive. It was a very depressing sad
> experience for me.
>      In the Polish tourist town of SANDOMIERZ a large
> painting depicting in full detail the process of religious
> Jews killing Christian children for their blood to be used in
> religious rituals is permanently displayed in the town's
> Cathedral.
>      The painting shows a Jewish woman enticing children to
> come into the place where they are killed by the men. An
> unmistakable rabbi figure is seen collecting the blood into
> an urn. At the bottom of the painting another man throws the
> bodies of the dead children to the dogs.

This painting depicts the allegations made against Aaron Berk
in 1698. These resulted in an unenforced prohibition against
Jewish settlement in Sandomierz, which remained theoretically in
force until 1862. See Burchard, p. 171.

				Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish