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From: VNOZICK@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (MasterMind)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Ratings
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:56:53 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hmm...the prospect of rating Kate's music.  


Depends on which album you're talking about.  TKI is at least an R, probably
NC-17.  It's artistic porn.  "Oh feel it, oh feel it, feel it my love".  First
time I heard that album I was shocked.  (I was also 14 years old.)


As for TSW, it's probably R.  Generally okay, with a few exceptions.  I had a
line from the title track as my .sig a few years ago, and accidentally used it
in e-mail to a professor here.  He straightened me out pretty quickly!


TD:  I think they'll have to create a new rating for this one!


BTW, there was a now infamous PMRC (?) posting a few years ago that fits nicely
into this one.  Check the archives.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Valerie Nozick             "Is there so much hate for the ones we love?
vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu      Tell me we both matter, don't we?"--Kate Bush 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: DOUGLAS_MAC_GOWAN@mailgate.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Possible Delay
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:48:59 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


I would have to agree that the sad death of her mother may delay
Kate's upcoming activities.  I seem to recall she took some time
off after Alan Murphy and one of her favorite dancers (Andrew?)
died, so I imagine Kate may be taking some time off for awhile.


If this is the case, it is an understandable situation.




- Douglas MacGowan
From: rjc@cstr.edinburgh.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Ok, so don't maim me, but....
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:51:10 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


In article <64867@apple.Apple.COM>, Robert Fulkerson (rf) writes:


rf> ....who is Tori Amos?  


KT lite.


--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk		Actually I quite like her. Wonder if
				there are any tickets left.
From: markhan@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Seattle Tori tickets
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:18:57 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


This is my first posting to Love-Hounds, hope it makes it.  


To John from Portland asking about Tori Amos tickets in Seattle - I 
tried to reply, but received a message back from another John saying I 
had the wrong person.


Anyway, I called the Backstage, and tickets are $7 advance, $9 at the 
door, and should be available now at Ticketmonster, $2 extra at outlets 
and even more over the phone (1-206-628-0888).  Reply if you need more 
info.  I will probably be going alone and wouldn't mind meeting someone 
there.


As for Kate - any rumors of Katemas plans in Seattle?


Kate is one artist my whole family likes.  A few years back, I was 
picking my daughter up from day care - she couldn't have been more than 
5 at the time.  When we got in the car, she wanted to hear some Kate 
Bush, so she asked, "Dad, do you have any Kate Bush's in the car?"  


Only in my dreams.


Mark Hanson
From: KROVETZ@cs.umass.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Theological Kwestion
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:25:26 GMT
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Re - can Kate create a song that she doesn't understand?
Sure!  Love and Anger.


Bob


krovetz@cs.umass.edu
From: kyrlidis@Athena.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Carnival music
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:46:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65529
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




@hermes.intel.com:AGOUGH@AZ.intel.com (Andy Gough, x4-2906, pager 420-2284, CH2-
59) writes:
>It's that kindof lilting, sinusoidal kindof organ music (especially steam
>organs).  I'm sorry I can't describe it any better than that -- I never took a
>real music appreciation class.
>      So, has anyone else ever noticed this?  Are there any more carnival
>songs?


"Saturday night Special" by Fad Gadget is the song that gives *me* this 
feeling of a carnival. The cover of that album with the wicked clown,
shows that it is intentional.


Angelos
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From: tjfs@tadtec.co.uk (Tim Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Tori Amos in Cambridge last night
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:46:15 GMT
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Resent-From: Bill Wisner <wisner>
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As a neophyte I may have trouble, but here goes...


I was at the concert last night & can hopefully give a few details.
Basically Tori sang for about 90 minutes in total & did some tracks
from Little Earthquakes, some tracks from a previous album (?) and
some songs she hasn't recorded.  Some of her introductions were quite
cute, along the lines of:


"This song is one of my favourites, so I did a deal with it: since it
 didn't make it onto the album I'll sing it every night [sic]"


On stage was just a piano, a mike and a piano stool.  In the
background were three canvas drapes with multi-coloured lights behind.
Very simple.  Tori was wearing a black vest, grey/black jeans and some
rather colourful red shoes with buckled straps.  She brought on a
bottle of Evian water for swigs in between songs.  She also has a
rather unusual way of sitting on the stool; although the piano is set
up with the keyboard perpendicular to the front of the stage, she
contrives to sing facing the audience, which involves her legs being
splayed out with her left foot operating the pedals and her right leg
pointing towards stage left.  Bizarre!


As she started her second encore (sigh) someone collapsed in the
audience, so there was a delay while she was stretchered out.  Tori
was suitably concerned.


Tim
From: rhill@netlink.cts.com (Ron Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Stuff
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:07:26 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




        Andy asked about Be_Kind_To_My_Mistakes on the Theodore album.  This 
is the SAME version that is on the box set.  It's the crappy version, 
everybody likes the original better.  The original is only availible on the 
boxed set and on the rare and expensive _The_Can_ bootleg.  Here's IED's 
description of the differences: 




    Just a note about "Be Kind to My Mistakes": the original version, which 
appeared on the soundtrack album of the movie "Castaway", is considerably 
different from the version which came out as a b-side in support of "The 
Sensual World" album. The early version is a little rougher, a little more 
"live" in sound quality, and is a good deal longer in playing-time. Kate 
edited out some twenty-four bars of music (not verses, but instrumental 
passages) when she prepared the recording for release in 1989/90. There are 
some wonderful moments of playing by Kate's musicians on the original, and 
the extra length gives the song a much different atmosphere than its later 
CD mix. On the other hand, the "dryer" sound of the CD version, as well as 
some tinkering with the rhythm track, make it fascinating to listen to as 
well. 
 




        I saw something on a new preview that said "HAMMER stinks up the 
stage."  Naturally I thought, "well he does all the time anyway!"  But I got 
the feeling something happened.  Did anyone hear anything about this?  I've 
anxiously been waiting for the "fall" for years now! 


Ron "Suspended in Gaffa" Hill


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From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Quenby M Chunco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Tori Amos
Keywords: silent all these years
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:59:01 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@cis.ohio-state.edu
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


In article <64948@apple.Apple.COM>, kms@world.std.com (Kelly M Stanonik) writes...
> 
> 
> 
>that but what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her
>name still on it hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said




Yeah. Thats what I thought she was singing but it still doesn't make 
sense!




Thankyou for responding.






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>// Kelly Stanonik         | "Clipper apps for the 90's, 00's, 10's & beyond" 
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From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.TRW.COM (JAL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Sarah McLachlan Tape Tree
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:09:59 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


******************************************************
Announcing the Sarah McLachlan Boston 4/6/92 Tape Tree
******************************************************


Sarah McLachlan performed Monday April 6th at the Charles Playhouse in
Boston. The concert was FM broadcast on WFNX. A friend of mine taped
the concert on a Sony 75ES DAT recorder and made a DAT for me. The 
recording is very good except for some FM interference. It gets bad on
side B, and particularly on Path of Thorns. The concert fits perfectly on 
a 90 minute tape. I am offering to run a tape tree to distribute this tape 
to anybody on love-hounds that is interested. 


The setlist (for a 90 minute cassette):


Side A:				Side B:
Drawn to the Rhythm		I Will Not Forget You
Back Door Man			The Path of Thorns (Terms)
Home				Into the Fire
Lost				Steaming
Shelter				Encore: Vox
Black				Gloomy Sunday
Out of the Shadows
Ben's Song




The tree will be set-up such that preference is given to people that have good
tape-dubbing capabilites and who are willing to make a number of copies. If
you don't have anything to trade, you will still be able to obtain the tape by 
sending a blank and the cost of the return postage to the person above you on
the tree. If you are interested in getting a DAT copy be sure and let me know.
I will accept sign-ups for a week or two and then make up a tree.


Please fill out the following information:
==========================================
Name:
Email Address:
US Mail Address:


Do you have tape-dubbing capabilites:
If so, what kind of equipment (in as much detail as possible):
If so, how many copies are you willing to make:


Do you have anything to trade (something love-hounds/Sarah finds might be
interested in):


Comments:
==========================================


-Jeff Lester
lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
From: VENTURE@brownvm.brown.edu (Annie Leonard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Diamanda Discography
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:20:05 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hello Hounds,


Does anyone have a handy updated Diamanda Galas discography they
would be willing to send my way?  I'm interested in editorial
opinions about how to go about introducing oneself to Diamanda and
her music, as well as the basic discography.


Many thanks --annie.
              VENTURE@BROWNVM
From: bjhs@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Ben Siemerink)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: American rating systems
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:03:25 GMT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1]
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hi Folks!




There were a few messages  about rating  Kate's  albums.  However, I'm
not at all familiar  with the American  rating  systems.  Could anyone
PLEASE inform me about it?


Thanks!




Ben, 9 April 1992.
--
Ben Siemerink, Bristol, UK                                     Crisis?
bjhs@hplb.hpl.hp.com                                      What Crisis?
..................................HF..................................
From: ST701790@brownvm.brown.edu (Zimri Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Kate's Carnival Music
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:46:00 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


My impression of the "carnival music" theme in
Coffee Homeground,
There Goes a Tenner,
etc.


is that it is more Kurt Weill-like than carnival like.
I'd say the same for Tori's "Leather," by the way.


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From: young@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Kate Covers
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:51:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65504
Reply-To: young@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


In article <65457@apple.Apple.COM>, mortal@ucscb.ucsc.EDU (71079000) writes:
>
>
>Are there covers of Kate Bush songs released commercially.
>It just struck me that with Kate's particular style of singing/
>musical composition, it would be very difficult to do a version
>of one of her songs, particularly the later ones, without just
>trying to recreate her version. I mean, you can't just pick up
>a guitar and strum along and sing "Rocket Tail," can you?
>
>-- 
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>+ Lore Christian        + "I want to be a lawyer--            +
>+    Fitzgerald Sj|berg +  I want to be scholar--             +
>+ mortal@ucscb.ucsc.edu +  But I really can't be bothered..." +
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>


The only one that I'm aware of is Pat Benatar's version of "Wuthering Heights"
on her -Crimes of Passion- album.  Although I do like a lot of Pat's early
work, she probably should never have touched this tune.  Her "Wuthering
Heights" is pretty standard MOR formula (ugh!), complete with plodding rhythms
and a really dull guitar solo in the middle.  She's no vocal slouch, but she
doesn't seem able to invest the song with much personality.  And a Kate Bush
song performed with minimal personality is, IMHO, a travesty.


-Bruce
From: vjmurphy%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Kate Covers
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:23:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@ftp.uu.net
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


In article <65457@apple.Apple.COM> mortal@ucscb.ucsc.EDU (71079000) writes:
>
>Are there covers of Kate Bush songs released commercially.


   Pat Benatar covers/massacres Wuthering Heights on her album
 Crimes of Passion.  Natalie (I Sold Out My Dad For A Buck) Cole
 sang/massacred A Man With a Child in His Eyes on the Arsenio Hall
 show once.  And, of course, Sinead O'Connor performed/massacred
 Don't Give Up with Peter Gabriel in the AI special on MTV.


 


-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
From: toc@instance.com (Tim O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: WOW & Warhol, rating & s*m*
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:29:50 GMT
Organization: Instantiations, Inc., Portland, Oregon
X-Umcp-To: Love Hounds
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


REGARDING                WOW & Warhol, rating & s*m*n, Jon & Tori
people:


Whilst performing my final flip thru the channels last Friday (or was it
Saturday?) I caught a PBS show on Andy Warhol just at the end of the opening
segment.  I noticed faint background music fading away.  Could it have been
"WOW"?  Did anyone else catch the show?


On the subject of rating Kate and her works.  Back in the early days of this
newsletter there was quite a bit of discussion on the use of language,
certain words, such as f*ck and sh*t being felt by many to be inappropriate.
 In response to this someone (whom I can not recall) submitted a very fine
article on the use of semen in Kate's songs.  Examples such "sticky love
inside", "little fishes", "Nice to Swallow", etc. were discussed.  Not a
single word in the article to which anyone could object.  The discussion of
appropriate language immediately ceased (tho' it may have been at this point
that the newsletter became moderated.  Historians?).  Anyway, look it up in
the archives.  It remains a wonderful piece of prose.


Speaking of reserved, c'mon Jon, lighten up!  Many of us enjoy talk about
Tori Amos and others interspersed with Kate news and views.  I for one would
like to see these discussions continue IN THIS GROUP.  I think the short
lived Warm Room split demonstrated that others might agree (or did Jorn just
lose my address?).  Oh, and Jon, don't read the next paragraph.


Irreverent (irrelevant?) thought about Tori Amos.  Would anyone know if her
middle name would just happen to start with 'N'?  Her initials could be the
whole reason MTV is interested in her :-)


to'c




--
"A typical long haired half mad computer programmer on a typical computer
keyboard with odd toys scattered conservatively about."
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Quenby M Chunco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Tori Amos
Keywords: silent all these years
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:59:01 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@cis.ohio-state.edu
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Hello,


Would anyone be able to post the lyrics to "silent all these years" by
Tori Amos? I would much appreciate it.


Thanks
From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: New Diamanda
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:28:01 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


In article <65124@apple.Apple.COM> saurav@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Saurav Misra) writes:
>Any feedback on the new Diamanda Galas? The CD pic makes her look downright,
>uh...marketable. I hope no unfortunate Christian Muzak listeners misinterpret
>the song titles in the back and buy the disc. "Where were you when my lord
>was crucified!" - indeed.


Since my very local music store seems unable to carry Tori Amos for one reason
or another, I decided  to buy the new Diamanda Galas instead. I found the fact
that she covered Gloomy Sunday (the Billie Holiday song that Sarah McLachlan
also covers in her live shows) a good sign. Not having heard anything from her
before all I can say is SCARY STUFF. Her voice is all over the place. Her piano
playing is very interesting. I want to say she is the female Nick Cave, but
it doesn't sound right... When she played in Athens, Greece last summer, she
requested ~10-20 kgs of animal blood for her shows. I now understand why.


Angelos
+=====================================+
|'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs|
+=====================================+
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Sarah Envy
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:20:16 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: greg@mobius
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@husc6.harvard.edu
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




In article <64785@apple.Apple.COM>, MTARR@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU writes:
|> 
|> Hi!
|> 
|> 
|> Vickie, I'm jealous.  
|> 
|> 
|> Sarah McLachlan's next few tour dates are:
|> 
|> 
|> 		4 April  Detroit, St. Andrew's
|> 		6 April  Boston, Charles Theater
|> 		7 April  NYC, Union Square Theater
|> 
|> 
For those in the Boston area, the concert at the Charles Theater
will be broadcast live on WFNX, 101.7 FM starting at 8:30 pm.


-- 
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From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.TRW.COM (Jeff Lester)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Fawlty Towers
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:57:16 GMT
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


Ron Hill writes:


>A friend of mine just brought over six episodes of one of Kate's 
>favorite shows, _Faulty_Towers_.  Does anyone know anything about this, when 
>was it on, how many shows were there, why were there so few, etc, etc. 


I have more complete data at home (in a book on Monty Python), but I do know
the show was only 12 episodes total. I think the first 6 ran in 1970 or so
and then 6 more ran in 1974. I think it was fantastic show and I just wish
there had been more of them made. They usually get shown on late-night PBS.
They are also avaible one video now. There are three tapes that I've seen in
the store, but I'm not sure if they cover all of the episodes.


-Jeff Lester
From: rhill@netlink.cts.com (Ron Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Homeground, IED, and Tori.
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:59:38 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM




        I don't think anyone's mentioned what HOMEGROUND has to say about 
the new album: The word at the moment is that the 'September-ish' target for 
the release of the new album still holds.  HOMEGROUND is told that the album 
is more or less finished, with a few bits and pieces to be done.  There is 
as yet no word on the first single. 




        They don't seem to be aware however that Eric Clapton himself has 
confirmed that he worked with Kate, though.  :-) 




        Jill asked about IED.  Andrew Marvick is in San Jose (or is it San 
Fransisco?) in a new apartment.  He says that he is going to maybe get a 
modem sometime soon and try to get back on.  He didn't seem to understand 
about how there are public sites for Love-Hounds, but I think I got him to 
understand.   Earlier, he told me that IED is currently in a box.  :-) 


        A friend of mine told me he saw in the local paper a review of Tori 
Amos.  It said something like "Kate Bush should sue her for copyright 
infrignment."  :-) 




Ron Hill


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From: @hermes.intel.com:AGOUGH@AZ.intel.com (Andy Gough, x4-2906, pager 420-2284, CH2-59)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Brazil x3 x4
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:12:14 GMT
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Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


>From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
>Subject: Re: Brazil
>Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1992 21:55:32 GMT
>ganzer@cod.nosc.MIL (Mark T. Ganzer) writes:
>>It's  been  years since I since I saw the laser-disk  version  at
>>Andy Marvick's house in LA. I do remember the movie was well over
>>2 hours in length, thus I do think this was the "director's cut",
>>since  one  of  the  battles that Gilliam had  was  the  studio's
>>insistance on getting the movie under 2 hours in length
>
>ARRRGGGGHHH!
>
>Once more, hopefully for the last time.  There are THREE existing versions,
>and this is the definitive reading on where they are and what they consist
>of:
>
>The euro version is only available as a PAL videotape - not letterboxed.  No
>PAL laserdisc as far as I know.  Starts & ends without clouds.  Has
>additional scenes after Sam has his necrophilia with Jill and before he ends
>up in the torture chamber.
>
>The american theatrical cut (same as euro version minus 7 minutes) is
>available as a laserdisc and videotape.  Not letterboxed, unfortunately.
>Starts & ends with clouds.
>
>Both of the above cuts run over 2 hours.  I think the euro cut is 2 hrs and
>20 minutes, whereas the american one is 2 hrs and 13 minutes.
>
>The american TV cut (butchered beyond belief, not representative of the
>director's vision AT ALL) is shown on TV every once in a while.  It is only
>of interest to true Brazil fans (such as myself).  Starts & ends with clouds.
>
>This one runs about 90 minutes, maybe.
>
>Any further questions?
>Jon Drukman (finely honed machine)              uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com


Well, doesn't that mean there are actually ** 4 ** versions of Brazil:


 1. European theatrical cut
 2. American theatrical cut
 3. American butchered TV cut
 4. Director's cut


#1 - 3 available on videotape/laserdisk.  #4?


Also, in the list you give, you mention for each one "Starts & ends with 
clouds".  What is the significance of this?


I hope everybody caught the allusion to Potemkin at the end of Brazil.  ;-)


Regards,
Andy