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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: A Trade Prediction (Was: Adams division Analysis and Predictions)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:58:08 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>If there's no deal between John Vanbiesbrouck and the Detroit
>Red Wings (Beezer + Patrick for Yzerman is still going around 
>in these parts) I'm calling for a three way involving Hextall,
>Steve Yzerman, and Sean Burke.  The Wings have a strategic need
>to prevent Keenan from getting Hextall, as the Devils have one
>to prevent the Rangers from getting Yzerman.

I don't know if the Hawks really need Hextall. (After all, they
still have Belfour as #1, and some good backup goalies to boot...)

And I don't know whether Detroit needs Beezer... Cheveldae is
a respectable goalie (not fantastic, but capable), and the other
goalie (Joseph? The one the wings got from St. Louis) is a great
backup. (He could be a starter on some teams...)

Still, the trades could happen...
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Hockey?
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:57:38 GMT

In article 16ea0sINNmv8@seven-up.East.Sun.COM, bwelch@incinerator.East.Sun.COM () writes:
>Is a seperate news group really needed in the off season. I don't mean to insult
>anyone but a Canadian game should be kept in their own na. newsgroup. Esp

"Canadian" game?!?

Ever heard of the Sharks, the Rangers, the Kings, the Blackhawks, the
Blues, the Red Wings, the North Stars, the Islanders, the Flyers, the
Devils, the Capitals, the Whalers, the Bruins, the Sabres, the
Lightning, or the Penguins?

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gak
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Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:08:16 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)



Richard Coyle writes:

(Bowman stuff deleted)

>But lastly, the Pens have screwed it up from a PR standpoint.  Bowman
>deserved better than the way this whole thing was handled.

Everything the Penguins do seems to be screwed up from a PR standpoint.
I think this is another area in which they need serious improvement.
Of course, when rumors abound it is sometimes difficult to separate
fact from fiction; nevertheless, I think the organization should take
a look at how it handles all of its public information activities.
Craig Patrick is looking more and more like the bad guy; not only from
my personal perspective but from that of other people I've talked to.
I guess that goes with the territory but I can't decide if I'm being
fair to him in my new assessment that he's not doing a spectacular job.

Mom.

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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Brian Trottier back to Islanders?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.183718.6702@sei.cmu.edu>, sad@sei.cmu.edu (Susan Dart) writes...
> I just heard a rumor that Brian has officially gone back to the Islanders in
>an assistant position. Any one know the details?

From what I've heard, Trottier is going back, Bill Torrie has been removed
as GM and replaced with Don Maloney.

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From: zebr360@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Jerry Heyman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bill Torrey??
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:37:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

With the firing of Bill torrey today by the Islanders, how many think 
this is a positive for the NY team?  What more could have been done 
than what he did last year to improve a team that would have been the worst in
the league.

Don't bet against his imminent return to a higher position under the
jurisdiction of Cablevision NY who will be the new major stockholder in 
the Islanders.

Too bad all Pittsburgh fans - but you lost Trots.

Comments???

jerry
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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Subject: NHL regular season neutral site games
Reply-To: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:59:52 GMT


Below is the schedule for the NHL neutral site games this year.  Recall that
part of the strike settlement was that 2 of each team's 84 games would be
played in non-NHL cities and the profits (or losses) would be shared by the
player's association and the owners.

Oct. 13  CGY vs. MIN @ Saskatoon
     20  OTT vs. TOR @ Hamilton
Nov.  3  CHI vs. WSH @ Indianapolis
     17  TOR vs. QUE @ Hamilton
     18  BUF vs. NJ  @ Hamilton
Dec.  1  LA  vs. CHI @ Milwaukee
      8  MTL vs. LA  @ Phoenix
      9  TB  vs. NYR @ Miami
     13  EDM vs. NYI @ Oklahoma City
     15  NYI vs. STL @ Dallas
     29  STL vs. HFD @ Birmingham (site not confirmed)
Jan.  4  SJ  vs. MTL @ Sacramento
     18  HFD vs. WPG @ Saskatoon
Feb.  8  BOS vs. PIT @ Atlanta
     16  PHI vs. CGY @ Cincinnati
     20  QUE vs. TB  @ Halifax
     22  NYR vs. SJ  @ Sacramento
     22  DET vs. PHI @ Cleveland
     23  WPG vs. OTT @ Saskatoon
Mar.  1  VAN vs. BUF @ Hamilton
     11  MIN vs. VAN @ Saskatoon
     16  WSH vs. DET @ Milwaukee
     16  NJ  vs. BOS @ Providence (site not confirmed)
     21  PIT vs. EDM @ Cleveland

Cities
------
Hamilton 4
Saskatoon 4
Cleveland 2
Milwaukee 2
Sacramento 2
Atlanta
Birmingham (site not confirmed)
Cincinnati
Dallas
Halifax
Indianapolis
Miami
Oklahoma City
Phoenix
Providence (site not confirmed)

I'm glad that the schedule makers had the sense to put 1/3 of the games in
Hamilton & Saskatoon.  There's 8 guaranteed sell-outs.  I suspect that the
Sacramento games (Sharks twice) will also sell-out.  Actually, it doesn't
look like there will be many tough sells in that list (perhaps the Birmingham
and Oklahoma City games).

Teams
-----
BOS  Providence, Atlanta
BUF  Hamilton (2)
CGY  Cincinnati, Saskatoon
CHI  Milwaukee, Indianapolis
DET  Milwaukee, Cleveland
EDM  Cleveland, Oklahoma City
HFD  Birmingham, Saskatoon
LA   Phoenix, Milwaukee
MIN  Saskatoon (2)
MTL  Sacramento, Phoenix
NJ   Hamilton, Providence
NYI  Oklahoma City, Dallas
NYR  Miami, Sacramento
OTT  Saskatoon, Hamilton
PHI  Cleveland, Cincinnati
PIT  Atlanta, Cleveland
QUE  Hamilton, Halifax
SJ   Sacramento (2)
STL  Dallas, Birmingham
TB   Halifax, Miami
TOR  Hamilton (2)
VAN  Saskatoon, Hamilton
WPG  Saskatoon (2)
WSH  Indianapolis, Milwaukee

Looking at the above, I'd say that Buffalo, Philadelphia, San Jose, Toronto
and Winnipeg got the most favorable travel arrangements and that Edmonton,
Hartford, Montreal, both New York teams and Washington got the worst.  The
other 13 teams look to have at least one game "close" to home.
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HP IDACOM Telecom Division	| (403) 462-0666 ext. 253

Live now!  Always make now the most precious time!  Now will never come again.
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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: nhl schedule additions
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:46:22 GMT

sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:

>Yes, there will be four games in Hamilton, 2 Leaf games and 2 Sabre games.
>Of course, none of them involve Montreal :-(, but Quebec, Vancouver (Hamilton
>is the farm team for Vancouver), and...hmm..temporary memory loss.  I am
>pretty sure the Nords play Toronto.  

>There will also be 2 Sabre exhibition games in Hamilton, with Vancouver being
>one of the teams involved. 

Kind of ironic for Buffalo to play games in Hamilton, since many
people believe that it was Buffalo's fault that Hamilton didn't get
an NHL francise in the last expansion....
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: nhl.c progress
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:10:32 GMT
Organization: UB


Progress report for nhl.c, the nhl schedule program.  

Update:  Buffalo, Edmonton, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, 
Tampa, Toronto and Washington have been put in.  I can't work on it 
again until Thursday due to system work done m-w and my lack of 
being here on weekends.  :-)  I'll hopefully put in what I have on 
Thursday and Friday of this coming week.  With luck I'll have 
Hartford by then,too.

Program presently running beautifully.  All updates for 1992-3 made,
so unless new features are added it'll run just great.
If anyone sees a copy of Boston (away), Chicago (away), Detroit,
Minnesota, Montreal, NY Islanders, Quebec, St Louis (away), or 
Winnipeg, let me know.  I'll try to track it down if in a newspaper,
will pay your postage for a printed copy, or will thank you profusely
for an online copy.

Thanks again.




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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:05:05 GMT

In <BsxK58.68E.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>I know the above may sound callous, but unfortunately I know what it's
>like to be around an addict.  The only person that can help the addict is
>the addict.  It doesn't matter how much counseling or rehab the addict 
>goes through, the addict has to care enough about wanting to get well for
>all the help to work.  It seems to me that Kordic got to the point where
>he (for whatever reason) no longer cared.  And that's the real tragedy.

exactly right. Just because addiction has been labeled as an "illness"
does not mean that there is any sort of "cure".

>Has the NHL ever suspended a player for drug abuse?  I'm talking any kind
>of suspension, not just a few week suspension.

Don Murdoch of the rangers was the first I remember (late 70's?) and I
believe it was 40 games (half a season) for a little marijuana.

rm
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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LA KIngs precamp moves
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:12:27 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

The current hot rumour here in LA is that the Kings have invited "the top"
goaltender from the Swedish Elite League to camp.  Steffan, do you have
any info on this?  I have been unable to confirm a name.

Also, new GM Nick Beverly has not completed his "top to bottom" evaluation
of the talent within the team.  No trades are expected until this evaluation
is complete.  Speculation is that no "major" deals will come down before the
season opens.

Stan Willis
net contact: L.A. Kings
From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: No offense, but (was Re: See the Stanley Cup (again))
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:49:53 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization


HEY! DON'T YOU DARE POST PENGUIN NEWS UNDER LOCAL DISTRIBUTION.
I am trapped in Texas, but am a huge Penguins fan from Pittsburgh.
If the traffic drops off, I'll have to start talking to myself on
the nets about the Pens.  You'd love that....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: redd8598@hgc.edu (kevin redding)
Subject: Re: faceoffs question
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.174047.19217@btree.uucp> terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen) writes:
>In article <2H04oB1w164w@eastern.COM> leea@eastern.COM (Lee S. Armet) writes:
>>mdf+@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Fox) writes:
>>
>>> 
>>> I hope this isn't too FAQ but what is the rule for where the 2 players
>>> involved in a faceoff can place their sticks before the puck is dropped?
>>> The other day I suddenly realized that I had no clue about this even though
>>> I've probably seen thousands of faceoffs. Can either player have his stick
>>> across the imaginary line through the puck and between the two players?
>>> 
>>> -mike
>>
>>
>>No, the HOME team must place his/her stick on the ice first. When the 
>>VISITING teams places their stick on the ice, the puck is then dropped.
>> 
>
>Players taking the face-off must position their body -facing the oposing
>goal- For center ice face-offs, the visiting team must place his stick
>on the ice first.  For any other face-off, the -attacking player- must
>place his stick on the ice first.
>
>ucsd!btree!terry
>
>SD ref assoc.
>


Terry is right, the home/defending team gets last dibs on the face-off
circle. In the original question, Lee talks about placing the sticks
across an imaginary line through the puck and between the opposing
players.  The geometry of the end zone face-off dot confines the stick
location.  In the NCAA, Federation (High School), and USA Hockey rule
books, the end zone face off dot is constructed like this:
  The red, end zone face-off spot shall be a circle, 2 feet in
  diameter.  Within each face-off spot draw two parallel lines 4"
  (3" for Federation) from the top and bottom of the spot.  The 
  area within the two lines shall be painted red, the remainder shall 
  be painted white.  All three rule books indicate a 1" wide "band"
  that encloses the circle.
                     
                     <------ 24" diameter ----->
                           <---- 16" ---->
                           ###############    1" wide
                         ###################  /
                       ##  ###############  ##
                      ##   ###############   ##
                     ##    ###############    ##
                      ##   ###############   ##
                       ##  ###############  ##
                         ###################
                           ###############
                                          <-4"-> 

The players taking the face-off must place their sticks in the white,
half moon part of the face-off circle.  In NCAA rules, the entire blade
of the stick must touch the ice.  In Federation and USA Hockey rules,
only some portion of the blade must touch the ice, which means the 
centermen (excuse me, centerpeople) can tilt the stick and only have
the toe of blade touching the ice.

I have no idea what the pro (NHL, AHL, WHL, etc.) rule books call for.
Nor do I know how the European dots are layed out.

Have I beat this subject to death yet?

Kevin Redding
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:01:04 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug19.210753.574@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>...Hasek, Draper, Littman, and Ketterer (if he has
>signed) should be the goaltenders...the Sabres will go nowhere with
>Puppa or Malarchuk...and you can bet on that.

I agree that Puppa and Malarchuk are on the way out, but your
assessment of Malarchuk differs from mine.  He choked in the playoffs,
but put forth solid no.2 goaltending for the Sabres and often was the
only reason the team didn't have an abysmal record.  (I joke with a
friend of mine that she shares Clint's disease -- she checks to make
sure the car is in park when she's already out of it, ignition off,
etc.  :-)

As for Ketterer, don't look for him before next season.  He has
another year on his contract and won't come until that's done, one of
the reasons he hadn't been drafted yet.



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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Arbitrator Awards Natress to Flyers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:57:22 GMT


As the subject says, Philadelphia's favorite arbitrator Larry
Bertolli (sp?), the one who named the Flyers the winner of the
Lindros Derby, has awarded Natress to the Flyers without
compensation.

The Flyers signed Natress believing he earned less than the
league average.  Toronto believed Natress was earning more
than the league average and wanted to be compensated.  An
arbitrator was chosen to determine the league average.

This helps the orange and black, but they still need more on
defense if they are to challenge for a playoff spot in the
tough Patrick Division.

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From: ipkh@cs.mcgill.ca (Kwok Hung IP)
Subject: What happened to Damphousse?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:51:29 GMT

What happened to Vinny Damphousse? I know he's a free agent but did the
Oilers sign him back?  I heard the Habs were interested in Vinny also.


=============================================================================
Jack Kwok Hung Ip         | McGill University 
ipkh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | Montreal, Quebec, Canada 
=============================================================================
DM: "The fighter successfully slays the ancient red dragon that was guarding 
     the treasure.  So what does the fighter do?"
Fighter: "He carefully walks toward the treasure."
DM: "As the fighter approaches the pile of treasure...<roll of dice>...
    he falls down a 10' pit...<roll of dice>...and breaks his neak.
    What does the wizard do?"
Wizard: "The wizard calls the DM an asshole."
From: kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:34:15 +0100
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions


	Does rsh exist in Whaler country?  Can any Hartford fans shed light on 
Baldwin's relationship with the franchise and fans there?

_________________________
Kurt Wolfgeng Kolasinski
Fritz-Haber-Institut	Abteilung physikalische Chemie
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Hawks-Jets Trade
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:44:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.033548.21652@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.144017.21061@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>I think this was a setup on Mike Smith's part to subvert the
>>rules of the expansion draft, and it looks like he is going to
>>get away with it.  This "3-way" deal was a ruse for the Jets
>>to protect Beauregard in addition to Essensa and Tabaracci...if
>>anyone cases to notice...I wonder if Mel Bridgeman and Phil Esposito
>>do...
>
>Asst. GM Dennis MacDonald has stated that this deal was not associated with
>the deal before the expansion draft, but rather was set up when it became
>clear that Ruuttu was not going to sign with Winnipeg.
>

How conVENient!


The Church Lady
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:55:46 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <78043@ut-emx.uucp> zebr360@ut-emx.uucp (Jerry Heyman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.231139.3226@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:

>>  LaFontaine is a superstar in his own right, but the Isles
>>management at the time did not recognize this.
>
>The Islander management certainly recognized LaFontaine as a super-star. A
>spoiled, pampered, self-centered superstar who disrupted the team for two
>years.  He may have been a teeny bopper favorite, but the true Islander fans
>were fed up with him and his actions.  Turgeon produced as much as LaFontaine
>would have AND certainly was a positive influence upon the team.  Hogue and
>Krup, along with Turgeon far surpassed what LaFontaine could have done
>and certainly make a nucleus for a far better team.

Funny, LaFontaine seems to be happy and producing here in Buffalo.  He
would have been on a career-best season if it weren't for the broken
jaw.  He inspired the Sabres to play above their potential at key
moments, something Turgeon never, ever did.  Turgeon failed to live up
to his first round, first pick status.  He never did replace Gilbert
Perreault as a leader or a scorer.  He was very quiet, never a
motivator.
Krupp was a good defenseman, but certainly not the best.
Hogue.  Giving away Hogue was the smartest move Gerry Meehan ever
made.  Hogue was a whiner and a disruptor.  He ran to the Montreal
media with new allegations of ostracisation every time the Sabres
played the Canadiens.  I can't count the number of times he whined
that his teammates called him and Turgeon 'frogs' (an allegation
flatly denied by both Turgeon and French Canadian Donald Audette).  
Hogue was lazy, shiftless and unmotivated, always topping my "trade
'em" lists.  In exchange, the Islanders unloaded a piece of deadwood 
(Hillier), LaFontaine, and Randy Wood.  Wood was tendered  a new
contract recently.  Works hard, puts forth an effort consistently.  
A good player.  LaFontaine is a better player than Turgeon, in my
opinion.  Turgeon never really developed into superstar status.  He
didn't meet expectations.  What the Islanders do gain is youth:
Turgeon is only 23, or is it still 22 and a birthday this month?
Whatever.

>>    ____
>>     / o n y.
>
>jerry



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