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From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: When I say I'm bisexual (comment)
Date: 5 Aug 92 15:16:22 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <1992Aug5.102344.3207@otago.ac.nz> witbrock@otago.ac.nz writes:
>>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>> *assume* *nothing*.
>>
>>Ciaran,
>>what about
>>o Dont assume I am an an inferior person because I do like both a male and
>>female partner, like to sleep with a variety of people, would go with a more
>>suitable partner, am easily seduced ..., and/ or really enjoy threesomes.
>
>An excellent criticism. In compiling the list, I wanted to point out
>some stereotypes and indicate that these are often false. Of course,
>some people _do_ fit some/all of the stereotypes and the list is failing
>if it ignores this or implies that some types of behaviour (e.g.,
>non-monogamy or promoscuity) are undesirable. As was said recently:
>
><> Just because the stereotype exists doesn't mean that you have to fit
><> it.  (Unless, of course, you want to!)
><> --- Coe Salzgeber (cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu)

[...]
>>Actually, I find this list disgustingly polarising. About the only classical
>>divider you seem to have left out is
>>o Dont assume I'm not a virgin.
>
>Touche! I agree that the list does have its weaknesses. (As you point
>out, it is a bit self-righteous and moralistic.) But I would like to
>think of it as a first draft which can be made better rather than
>something which can't be salvaged. Then again, if anybody else has
>ideas for a different approach to humorously debunk stereotypes then
>I'm all queer (ehem... I mean, ear).

Although there is behaviour some people might see as stereotypical of
bisexuals, I don't think there is a generally known "stereotype bisexual".
It's one of the things I like about being bi; and one reason why I accept
it as a label (as a label, it doesn't have a very precise meaning).

>>Your final line I do like though.
>>What about:
>>Assume nothing, get to know me, enjoy my company.
>
>Yup. I like it.

No, I don't. You can't demand someone enjoys your company, why the hell
should they? "Get to know me, you might like me" would be better.


/jon (mind you, I've never met a bisexual whose company I didn't enjoy)
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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Hot Bi Studs - Final Chapter
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


To all of you who replied to my posting, to those of you who sent 
me email, and to those select few people who know who I am, and 
why I reacted so badly, all of your postings were welcomly 
received.

I found a neat solution, basically I stuck the "When I say I'm 
Bisexual -- Dont Assume..." poster on the wall, went away to stay 
with a friend for a couple of days, came back and when the hassle 
came back (as it invariably does), I sternly said... "Yep, I'm 
Bisexual... but that doesn't mean I don't have a private life"... If 
you're curious just look at these books -- I think our local 
Waterstones sells them... i.e. I'm giving you the names of these 
books, but I'll be damned if you expect me to go running after you 
for your edification and/or delight.

It was also plain to see that - whatever happened whilst I was 
away, and with whom -- made them realise that I wouldn't want to 
talk about it with them. I frequently slip into my lopsided and 
goofy grin looking into thin air -- apparently at nothing. 

The signals I was sending was of someone very definitely thinking 
about someone else... to the exclusion of others. My line: "Yep, 
I'm Bisexual... but that doesn't mean I don't have a private life" 
also suggests that I'm *not* going to be forthcoming if they should 
ask me questions.I think it's worked out pretty well after all...

Once again, to all of you - thanks...

Clive
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Stonewall 25
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:31:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.045730.11078@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <17858@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug15.025105.1222@guvax.georgetown.edu>
>>mnorth@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>[ILGA]
>>>a. Bi was not included in the March title because of the objections of 
>>>of Asians, notably Indians, Malaysians, and Thai
>I don't understand the connection.  All the biphobes I've ever met
>have been white.

Interesting.  Biphobia, along with homophobia, is very common among Asian
people in the UK; there have been a lot of reports recently of various
acts of familial violence against Asian people when they have come out
as LBG.  The topic has been virtually unspeakable-about - as far as I
know there is only one support group for Asian LBG people in the UK.

I can't say for biphobia particularly, but I've experienced considerable
degrees of homophobia from black and Asian students here - more, I'd guess,
than from their white peers, ceteris paribus.

>>>c. Brenda Howard (NYC) serves on the stonewall committee and deserves 
>>>credit for the Bisexual inclusions.

Indeed.

>>And I hope she hates asians as much as I do :-). I've always had a bit more
>>mild, irrational xenophobia for asians than for other groups, and now I have
>>something I can justify it with :-).
>You'll need a lot more smilies than that, Owen...

At least he admits it's irrational, John.

				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:39:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug20.120848.22402@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
+>
+>   Omaha Sternberg
+    ^^^^^
+
+It's interesting to hear another voice from this distingushed enterprise.

Gives new meaning to 'Mutual of ...'.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kts@philabs.philips.com (Kimberley T. Smith)
Subject: clubs in montreal & quebec
Keywords: sex.sex.sex.sex.love.sex.sex.sex
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:59:08 GMT

Any suggestions for clubs in Montreal and Quebec??

(oh yeah!  Restaurant suggestions, especially vegetarian would be wonderful!)

(OH YEAH!!  I'm desperately seeking cheap hotels/places to stay in both
cities.  I'll be in Montreal for two nights and Quebec for five!!  Any help/
suggestions are direly CRAVED!)



Thanx!

--kim
-------------------
send e-mail c/o: philabs!nrh@uunet.uu.net

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl
Subject: Re: Norwich (was Re: silly quotes)
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:34:10 GMT

In article <17883@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <10428@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
>writes:
>
>>btw Anyone off to Norwich ???
>
>Yes  - assuming I get anything back in the post from them (I'll probably
>turn up even if nothing arrives). So what exactly are you supposed to get
>back from them anyway?

A small letter confirming your application, a list of guesthouses in the
neighbourhood, a fancy leaflet from the university of Norwich
which tells you how great their place is, and a form for reservation
of rooms at the university (not the same as the crash space).

>Owen (wondering if he did the right thing)

Sure! I'll be pleased to meet you!

-Olaf.
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:31:51 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Kay writes:
>>Texas doesn't spring to mind as the bisexual centre of anything (face it,
>>it's Edinburgh or nowhere :))
>
>Sorry, dear, we were here first.  (I believe UCBU was the _only_
>university bi group mentioned in _Bi Any Other Name_, though I could
>be misremembering.)  You might be surprised how many we could rustle
>up for a Chicago party!

   Me me me me me me me! It's not for nothing Karina and I begin our US
tour in Chicago around New Year's Eve, you know!!! Then off to hot tubs
in SF, and *then* off to enormous mattresses on the floor in NY, but
that's another story...8->


>>Awwwww.... can't reach.  [see comment on "Atlantic"].  Pity.
>
>Ah, well.

   Don't be a wuss! 8-> I had a trans-Pacific threesome the other day...
(*not* looking forward to the phone bill!).

Joe. (thinking he should leave well enough alone after 4 posts in a row)

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:29:33 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

Oh... it's a perilous thing to do, wading into the middle of what may or
may not be a lovers' spat (I doubt that it is, but I'll hold my head in
my hands justincase).  But.  P'raps it's cos I'm listening to the CD
of "The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her Lover"...

Before I wade in - Omaha! good to meet you at long last! <hug> <snuffle>
<lick> <slurp>.  Heck - are we going to get DeWolf and May posting too?
More the merrier, I say.

Elf>
>>>   [ Snide mode on ]
>>>   Nineteen years, huh... let's see... 1973?  Well, that explains a
>>>lot.  Your entire post reads like a swingers manifesto from 1976.
>>>Guess what?  The 70's are DEAD!
>>>   [ Snide mode off ]

>Omaha
>>   "[Snide mode on]"? Pulease! The 70's are dead?! What, did you go out and
>>kill it yourself?!

Elf>
>   If it isn't truly dead, I'll go take care of it now myself!
>Platform soles, polyster suits, mood rings, the Bee Gees and The
>Village (of the Damned) People, Alex Comfort, Stayin' Alive... Do you
>really think _any_ of that decade is worth going back to?

OK, Elf.  I'm older than you.  A whole six or so years, so the Seventies
spanned all of my teen years: I guess even my ageing mind can still
remember them.  So what happened then?  Good things and bad things,
just like any time.  Realising I was gay; coming out at school; my
first sex; my first (and, sad to say, probably my greatest ever) love;
going crazy for a while; being outed by my damned social worker to my
parents; having to leave home because of that; two years as a rentboy;
my grandmother's death; watching peachjuice dribble down Andy's chin,
truning to amber beads in the sunlight; my first Pride march; getting
my hair cropped short, growing it long, bleaching it out, dyeing it
pink; my first leather jacket; getting a pillion ride on Ian's bike and
blowing him while we did the ton round the city at night; the ear
infection that left me partially deaf; books; music; people; parties;
drugs; sex; University; discovering that I was bisexual; GAA zaps of
the Leicester Mercury, WH Smiths, Barclays Bank; waking up next to
strangers and making friends of them; time's enchanted shadows, memories...

Go back?  Can't.  But sometimes I wish I could return for a visit; whisper
small comforts into my younger ears; catch my tongue before I say the wrong
thing; remind me not to lose hold of people.  They weren't the best of
times, but they were mine, and I'm who I am because of them, and I'm
glad.

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:34:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug18.021719.2871@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
+
+A friend of mine tried to post anonymously to alt.personals and
+was rejected because s/he was married.  S/he said that the 
+admin was a real asshole.  S/he told him (I think it was a

This has not always been so. The 'anonymous' machine has move around
a bit and appearently the current manager is a 'traditional family
values' type. (There was a similar manager about a 1.5 years ago who
had the same essential policy, but didn't announce it until it
became obvious that certain types of ads were being censored.)

+On checking the alt.personals FAQ, I noticed:
+
+[quote]
+>			****** Don't  ******
+>
+> 1.  Any solicitations for SEX or references to sex acts ISO will be rejected.
+>
+> 2.  No posting from marrieds.  (Married == someone living with someone else
+>			 	  with the intent to stay in the relationship)
+[unquote]
+[ISO = In Search Of]

Don't know were this holds for the 'alt.personal' as agroup, but
it's clearly the anonymous poster's policy.

My problem with the anonymous poster machines is not the secrecy but
the bogus noise level. When a sequence of obnoxious posts go by with 'real'
return address usually one can squelch the source via a kill or note
to the sys admin. With the anonymous systems, yes one can still kill
and notify but with most if these systems one gets a 'new' identity
very quickly and so the current kill and note is useless.

+I've noticed this monogamy gestapo approach becoming more and more common
+in personal ads of all sorts (both newspapers and electronic.)  The
+providers of such services justify such an approach as a way of keeping 
+the 'sleaze factor' (whatever that really means) down.  Being non-monogamous 
+is portrayed as being bad, sleazy and not something you'd admit to your mother.

Well, in the local Onion there's a section which has such titles as
Men looking for Women, Women looking for Men, Just looking for
Friendship, etc. Well, it's amazing how many men are 'atheletic' and
looking for workout partners of the same. As for women, women
looking for women to spend time and fun together seems to be
popluar. (Occasionally, theres a (I'm straight and looking just
friends, really...).

One of these days even in SD I expect there will be sections like,
men looking for other romantic men, couples looking for romantic
others, women looking for other romantic women, etc.

But then you'd knock the bottom out of the 'swinger mags'.

And for the bible belt, I did see an ad in local Atlanta news,
Older couple, 50's, looking for young male for friendship. (Or something
to that effect).

I've been looking at these ads since the days I sold the Berkeley
Barb, LA Free Press, and the SD Free Press. But I have this deep
paranoid nightmare of being used as some ritual GROUP SAVE-IN by
some fundamentalist religious band.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:32:20 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <1992Aug21.232506.3526@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>
>I think this would be interesting... sort of a personal version of a FAQ 
>list, for those of us who already have sufficently public personas to
>share with the net.  Ftp and gopher are both possible media.
>
>What do others on soc.bi think?
>
It would be more `useful', in some ways, than the GIF ftp site -- there
are enough "public personas" around here and such a "family" feel that
folk might feel a little alienated by the cliquiness(?) of it all, which
probably wouldn't be a good thing.  Being able to find out a bit more
about `regulars' might (a) reduce the barrier of "in-jokes" and (b) provide
(as someone (Kay? Fenthe?) noted) a sort-of electronic "Bisexual Lives",
which again is going to help.

As for whether ftp or gopher would be better -- my instinct says that
ftp would be easier and less embarrasing than actual having to *ask*
for biogs, but warring against that is the caution that I know *I*
wouldn't like to have that kind of stuff about me publically available
without me having any sort of control as to who can access it....


--
\S 
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
and elsewhere, for a while.   | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:23:13 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

David Parsons, who looks fetching first thing in the morning, writes:
>My sexual and emotional ties with men are easily as strong as they are with
>women, it's just that I ogle less of them.

Is that "less" or "fewer"?  Somehow, I think you meant the latter.  :)

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: [REQUEST]: COMING-OUT PRIMER ?
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Tech Post, no content whatsoever (was Re: Alt.sex.wizards)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:36:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.040050.3664@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:

>dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>
>>Colin
>>(Who cut his teeth on a 6502, and was only introduced to the likes of VMS, unix
>>and DOS when he started working in a university).
>
>   Oh, I'm sobbing in relief. I thought I Was The Only One Like This... 8->
>
>   (I *still* have maybe 50 double-sided disks full of Apple II games...)

The only really lasting Apple II game I ever played was invoked with
CALL -141. :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Veggies! (was Re: bi surfers)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 11:17:27 GMT

chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:

 nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett) writes:
> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> > I believe the priestesses of Isis used smooth pebbles the way the diaphragm
>> > is used today, as a barrier against conception.
>> 
>> I believe that the stones work like an IUD rather than like a diaphragm.  The
>> story I heard was that the idea originated with people who put stones in
>> their camels' uteruses so that the camels would not become pregnant on long
>> cross-desert trips.
>> 
>
>Um, how would you get the stone back out if you later wanted pregnancy?
>Not to mention how you get it in, in the first place?

This is the kind of girl who will never have embarrassing questions asked of
her in casualty departments, who has never tried the trick with the Mayan music
balls recommended by Susie Sexpert, & has not played silly tricks with a 
diaphragm (squirting it across the bathroom does not count)

& who, most especially, will not be taking care of the rubber foot of Iseult's
crutch |-)

Tanaqui, who is almost entirely innocent of such pursuits

"I'm so happy, cos today I found my friends; they're in my head       _Lithium_
 I'm not sad, and just maybe, I'm too plain for all I've heard"        Nirvana
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:53:13 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <rhialto.003v@falu.sneakernet>, rhialto@falu.sneakernet 
(Olaf Seibert, he of the double .sig) writes:

> In article <1992Aug2.150554.10360@amhux2.amherst.edu>,
> 	twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> [Klein and Kinsey scales being clumsy and inaccurate]
> 
>>For example, Olaf's redhead list refers to me as "reddest of all
>>heads."  That description is due to the eminently huggable Peter
>>Flynn, at whose flattery I blush uncontrollably.  For in fact,

Awwww, it's just fun watching Tim blush so sweetly :-)
Actually it's the way he ties it back with a rubber band...

///Peter
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Subject: Crushes on Lt.Yar
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



In article <1992Aug16.054715.11486@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaeppl-
ein x1517) writes:

>Did anyone catch Denise Crosby on Showtime last Tuesday(?)
>Doesn't anyone else have even a little crush on her?

That reminds me of a friend I was talking to last Saturday, she was 
panicking about a star trek convention she had been coerced into attending
at Morecombe - Near Preston in Lancashire. As a consolation she was told
by the person that co-ercerced her into going "never mind, at least it'll
be a great opportunity to get laid", to which my friend replied... "Ugh,
but they're trekkers!"

Tee Hee - That remind's me, I must sell all those Bl**dy ST novels!


+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
| "When I grow up, I want to give up being a   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| Journalist and learn how to write..."        |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:13:43 GMT

In article <64206@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
|Then it will come down to the question that every American will have to ask
|themself. Would you rather have your taxes raised or lose some more of your 
|civil liberties. Great fucking choice. once again.

  Or, what's more likely, given Mr. 'Read my lips' GHW Bush, have your
taxes raised or lose some more of your civil liberties, *then have your
taxes raised (and then have the tax increases blamed on Jimmy Carter.)

  I think that losing *some of my civil liberties would be an overly
optimistic statement, given the tone of this years Republican constitution-
bashing session.  Given the choice between civil liberties and the votes
of the rabid religious right, I suspect that Our Darling President would
happily march us into the ovens and start the gas with his own hands.

	        __
  david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Lt. Yar nearly naked on Showtime
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:47:15 GMT

Did anyone catch Denise Crosby on Showtime last Tuesday(?) on
the Red Shoes somethingorother series?  Her hair's longer than
the dikey doo she had on star trek, but she still looked good.

Am I alone on this? Note: I don't read star trek groups.
Doesn't anyone else have even a little crush on her?