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Subject: New Info On DC/Marvel Crossovers
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:04:31 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Old-Message-ID: <1992Aug12.150431.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>

about this crossover stuff that's flared up again of late...
people are saying that crisi was the reason the crossovers ended
with the destruction of earth-crossover.
It was mainly because of Shooter's attitude towards JLA/Avengers that it
died a natural death, although I have news to the contrary

I was speaking to a guy called Lou Banks from Marvel, distribution and sales
I believe but I could be wrong, and he told me that Marvel and DC were 
involved in negotations at the time to re-start the crossovers ASAP, once
the legal hurdles were overcome, which he said should be very soon.
He would not disclose the subject of the first crossover but he
hinted that it could be a new version of the JLI/Avengers crossover.
just for anyone who's interested....
later
Kurgen
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Sandman spoiler question
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:25:43 GMT


Obviously, the crystal Nuala has is suppose to clue in the smarter
readers about who the girl is.  That category doesn't include me.
Could some kind soul among the elect kindly clue me in? Please?
Pretty please?
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:41:40 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:

>In article <bjm1.714116326@Ra.MsState.Edu>, bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>> I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
>> artwork.

>         Criminy, what do they think *is* appropriate for Lobo? I will not
>    buy any Lobo that is not done by Bisley. Never. No "Blazing Chain of
>    Love" (although I *do* like the Brereton cover) and no "Lobo's Back" if
>    Bisley didn't do it. Bisley has this "over-the-top" style that really
>    works for this kinda stuff.

Thats sort of my view. Bisley is THE Lobo artist just as MacFarlane is THE
spiderman artist. I may get the rest of Lobo's Back because when I get a
mini-series I like to get the whole thing. Unless the first issue is really
bad, which Lobo's Back wasn't.

Jed
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From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the CON
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:28:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <rdippold.714058156@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>Some of the panels were fairly boring, others were great.  The most
>"exciting" had to be the one on "Do Writers Need Artists?" in which
>Mark Bagley from Marvel (Spiderman Artist) and Steve Gerber (Howard
>the Duck, ex-marvelite) got in a spite match about working for someone
>like Marvel, and Bagley postulated that turning out shit was fine as
>long as you could do it monthly.  Then there was Todd McFarlane vs.
>Doug Murray and members of the audience, and several exchanges which
>involved "Fuck," "Fucking," and other conjugations of the word.  The
>audience was really getting into it...  Peter David, although not a
>member of the panel, was in the audience, and summed things up nicely.

Can you give us some of the *content* of this?  What were people's positions?

                                    *Joe Gorde*

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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: LSH Massacre
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.001123.28439@afterlife.ncsc.mil> acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>In article <m79ml4#.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>I don't have any details on this (actually, some details were given,
>>and I promptly forgot them), but it appears that the entire LSH team
>>is gone except for Tom and Mary Bierbaum.
>
>Except for the Bierbaums?
>
>Jeez, that's kind of like saying "I'm going to clean the apartment today,
>except I'm not going to get rid of the dust."
>
>The Bierbaum's are the PROBLEM!

  Oh, I don't know...the first year or so of LSH v4 was remarkably
good, I thought--better than Levitz's last few issues, anyway.  If
they get a real editor--someone who will tell them that they *CAN'T*
have earth-shattering (literally) events every issue, and they *HAVE*
to resolve dangling plotlines--I think they can do a quite good job.

  If, as it seems, this means that Giffen's off the book too,
hopefully they'll be able to ditch the nine-panel grid for a bit more
flexibility and--dare I think it?--even *RECOGNIZABLE CHARACTERS!*

  If there is this kind of house-cleaning going on, that seems to bode
well for a reasonable editor--someone who was brought in when Eury
jumped ship for Dark Horse (if those reports are true), realizes that
artistically the Legion is not working, and wants to fix it.

  Now if only the same thing would happen with Bob Harras...

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

(vhh:  feel free to use this in Omnicom.)


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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: Cages
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:32:33 GMT

In article <BtByD9.Duo@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>I recently picked up issue 5 of Cages and really enjoyed
>it. Cages 6 will be out soon and I'm just wondering what
>other people's view on the series are. And how often does
>it come out? I'd never seen pencils by McKean before but I 
>am very impressed and would like to know what he has
>pencilled (yes I know he paints\does Sandman covers). Thanks
>
>Jed
>

I really like Cages.  At first I didn't like McKean's pencils but
after I got used to the "feeling" of the story, it seemed to fit.
I'm very impressed with his writing.  The stuff that I have that
McKean has done are:
Arkham Asylum
Black Orchid
Violent Cases
A double issue special of Hellblazer, the one just before Ennis
took over.
Cages
And of course the Sandman covers.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C)
Subject: Re: San Diego Comic Con news
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.131035.25665@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes:
> 
> Random comments/news from the San Diego Comics Con (in no particular order;
> what most people will consider the major news is roughly in the middle here)
[...]
> The r.a.c. Black Ink Irregulars team of Jim Drew, myself, Roger Klorese, and
> Dani Zweig won the trivia bowl despite a slow start including my blanking on
> the name of John Constantine's band on the first question.

"Mucous Membrane".

Wow.  I beat Tom Galloway in a trivia question!!  :-)

> Saw the second part of the Two-Face animated Batman episode as well as bits
> and pieces of several other episodes. This looks to be high quality stuff,
> with reasonable writing and animation style (the animation itself ain't
> up to Fleisher or Disney movies/shorts, but then it's also for 65 daily
> episodes). Highly recommended.

Agreed on both counts!

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:19:04 GMT

dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:

[...]
>And to be quoted as someone who takes Dave too seriously: does anyone know
>any possible significance to the 89-day probation term?  

I'm betting it's a 90-day probabtion period.  Remember the "Kidnapping of an
Aardvark" issue?  These guys are *not* good at math :-)

[...]
>Ok, he does refer to the figure with Oscar's features (the panel showing
>only his mouth and chin) as Oscar, but the other panel with a figure
>(showing eye and mouth, I believe) looked like a worn down Oscar (maybe)
>from his time in prison.  That's all I was referring to.  Do we have a 
>definite knowledge of how much time has passed between Jaka's Story and
>the present, btw?  I think the timeline that was sent to the net didn't
>have a definite date (I don't have my copy handy).

Ha!  Maybe this will finally silence the heretical "One-Oscar" school!
Bwah-hah-hah!  :-)

As writer of the Timeline, I should field your question.  There isn't a
definitive figure on the amount of time from the end of Jaka's Story to
the end of Melmoth.  From internal evidence, I postulated that Melmoth took 
place over about two weeks.  However, issue 160, page 7 does prove rather
problematic.  Po refers *twice* to Posey's capture as taking place "weeks"
ago.  Since Posey was captured as Oscar(2) was going into his final
decline, this would seem (at first) to have been only a few days ago (remember
that less than a full day has transpired in m&d so far).  The only consistent
answer I can see is that these "weeks" passed in between Oscar(2)'s funeral
(issue 149) and Cerebus' "rebirth in blood" in issue 150.  While it doesn't
fit as nicely *artistically* as saying that 150 comes right after 149, it
agrees best with the facts that we've got.

[...]
>You're right: this would follow the Cirinist's past behavior (shown in
>Jaka's Story).  I thought it was funny: remember, Oscar of Jaka's Story
>never *really* saw Cerebus (only one of the like-alooks of Julius).  That
>they should for some reason be friends in prison I found highly coincidential.

Complaining that this story has coincidental events is like complaining about
all the trees littering up the forest.  Coincidence (and more broadly, Magic)
is a minor, but undeniably important theme running through the work.

>--dave

Alexx

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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:38:46 GMT

I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
artwork.

Roland

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: HELLBLAZER 58
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 02:03:47 GMT

Good Week Reviews is an irregular series, published whenever
spare time and a good batch of comics happen to converge.  This
week, praise Ghu, is one of those weeks.

Rating scale: excellent, good, acceptable, poor, awful

Comparisons: Smithfield is much better than Armour Star

Editorial Comment: I *hate* when the all the followups to a review of
eight different books all get lumped under the Subject of the review
title.  Eight different threads under one subject.  Feh.  Each Good
Week Review is posted separately with the issue in the Subject line.

Hellblazer 58
Writing: Garth Ennis
Art: Steve Dillon, colors by Danny Vozzo
Cover: G. Fabry
Ratings: Writing acceptable, art acceptable, overall acceptable.

For those wondering what "acceptable" means, I buy maybe 15 comics
a month.  So 95% of the market is *not* acceptable.  On the other
hand, the goal is `excellent'.  There are a number of other things
I enjoy besides comics, so something merely acceptable is going to
pushed aside if something really good comes up.

Hellblazer is staying on my buy list strictly on the personality of
John Constantine.  "Dangerous Habits" and the Jack the Ripper arc were
the only good ones recently, and the rest have been downright dull.
If things don't pick up, it's going to get pushed off by Animal
Man or Shade, both of which I've recently started.

The artwork is neither exceptional nor distracting.  Dillon does
some interesting things with a fairly simple style -- large solid
areas, lots of closeups, etc.  It works well with this issue, leading
to a strong impression of a sterile plant where horrid things occur.
This is accentuated by Vozzos nice work with mists and solid blocks
of subdued colors.  It makes for a nice understated feel.

The cover of this book is almost worth the entire purchase price.
Beautifully done.  I might be interested in a quality print, but don't
quite know where to hang it....
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: News from San Diego
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.091815.6864@teetot.acusd.edu>, jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
> 
> I'm not sure whether Sebastian O is part of the February line-up. It's a 
> three issue mini from Grant Morrison and Steve Yole. It's about a 
> Victorian dandy, an Oscar Wilde-like figure in a world where technology 
> and computers have been discovered. Virtual reality exists, but the 
> world is still the 1890s. Sebastian O is a rake. He's incarcerated in 
> Bedlam for sexual hijinks. He escapes and wreaks havoc.

Methinks Morrison has been reading THE DIFFERENCE ENGINE.  :-)  Nevertheless,
I want to check this one out (if only because I like retro-victorian SF).

> Hellblazer: Garth says that Steve Dilolin (huh? That's got to be wrong. 
> I was typing in the dark) will be taking over as artist in 5 issues. 

Steve Dillon?  Naah.

> Q: Question about creator ownership.
> A: Vertigo is not a universe. Some stories will be in the DC Universe 
> (such as Animal Man and Sandman), and some (giving the example of 
> Watchmen) will be self-contained. [...]

Holy question-sidestepping, Batman!  B-)

> Q: Any more on the lung cancer storyline in Hellblazer?
> A: The Devil is immensely annoyed. He'll spend a couple of years getting 
> around to getting back at Constantine. This will culminate in the last 
> six issues Garth Ennis is doing. Next month begins a 3-part that kind of 
> explains how Hellblazer's view of Hell fits in with Sandman's.

Hmm.  It will be interesting to see how will theSCREECH!!  Stop the presses!
What do you mean "last six issues"?  Who's replacing Ennis?

> Q: Team Ups among the Vertigo comics?
> A: At the end of 1993, an annual crossover might happen, but plans are 
> nebulous.

AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

> This will cover Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, the Tim Hunter
> series, and something with the initials B.O. (I don't remember what
> that was. Silly me for abbreviating the book names.)

BLACK ORCHID?  At least they're limiting it to the superhero books.

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.Bt8Etz.q3
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:

>In article <Bt7IBt.FBt@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
[...]
>> As writer of the Timeline, I should field your question.  There isn't a
>> definitive figure on the amount of time from the end of Jaka's Story to
>> the end of Melmoth.  From internal evidence, I postulated that Melmoth took 
>> place over about two weeks.  However, issue 160, page 7 does prove rather
>> problematic.  Po refers *twice* to Posey's capture as taking place "weeks"
>> ago.  Since Posey was captured as Oscar(2) was going into his final
>> decline, this would seem (at first) to have been only a few days ago (remember
>> that less than a full day has transpired in m&d so far).  The only consistent
>> answer I can see is that these "weeks" passed in between Oscar(2)'s funeral
>> (issue 149) and Cerebus' "rebirth in blood" in issue 150.  While it doesn't
>> fit as nicely *artistically* as saying that 150 comes right after 149, it
>> agrees best with the facts that we've got.
>> 

>Also, we don't really know how much time is passing (or in which direction it's
>passing in) while Cerebus is in the Ninth Sphere. We know that he can see the
>(possible) future from the Eighth, who's to say what we're working with here.

In the beginning of m&d, the outside scenes were all in daylight, then evening,
and now are in full dark.  Occam's razor says it's all one day.  Mind you, that
razor can be easily dulled by future revelations :-)

>Douglass Barre -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
>"Don't mess with people who've been dead." -- Rhynwa of Arawn

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... somewhat the same distance from the
 Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals,
 we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If
 oxygen, that means we can breathe."     -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Articles and files wanted!
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:14:40 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu




net.people, can you help me?

I am looking for any and all articles, documents, files and other information
you can scrounge up on the subject of working in the business of comics.  This
would include articles on such subject matter as:

+  Breaking into the comics industry
+  Negotiating contracts, meeting deadlines, and other advice for aspiring
   or working professionals.
+  Things like interviews with professionals where they discuss their trade
   and how they conduct their business; artists explaining some of their
   methods; etc.
+  Transcripts of various companies' submissions guidelines
+  Anything that would be of assistance to people looking to succeed in the
   comic book industry

I am looking for any standard ASCII files, or if the document you think would
be useful is not already in machine-readable format, perhaps you would be
willing to (shhhh!) type it in yourself?

One example where I know such information is available is on CompuServe.  A
man named Rob Davis posted a number of articles which originally appeared in
his Comics Career Newsletter.  I do not have access to CompuServe, so I
can't find these files myself, nor do I know where/if they are available on
Usenet.  I could send mail to him, but he couldn't send mail back to me 
through the Internet, so I doubt we'd "connect" in the end.  He can be 
contacted via his ID(71330,576), or on the comics/animation forum.  If
anyone can find these articles by Mr. Davis, that would be a great place to
start.

I am looking for any kind of files or information you can scrounge up on
this topic, however.  Please Email me at intruder@cats.ucsc.edu -- you can
either send me what you've got directly, or let me know where it's 
available via anonymous FTP.

Thanks in advance for your help!  I'm hoping the combined resourcefulness
of the net can gather some great information that I can share with other
people who, like myself, are hopefuls for the comics biz.

Isaac Truder (intruder@cats.ucsc.edu)
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: 1993 Marvel and DC Annuals
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:00:27 GMT

maser@engin.umich.edu (Steven Michael Maser) writes:

>According to the Comic Buyer's Guide, Marvel and DC have released their
>plans for the 1993 annuals.  There is some cause for hope here:

Oh really?  As the dominat forces of the market continue to dominate?

>Moreover, there will be NO crossover storylines (!), NO family 
>groupings (!!), and no umbrella titles (!!!).  Each annual will have
>self-contained stories (!!!!).

So what you're saying is that, even though all the annuals are using the same
basic gimmick, you're happy because the're giving ou a *new* gimmick, is that
it?

>Best news I've heard from Marvel in about 5 years...

Damning with faint praise if ever I heard it.

Any one remember those preposterous rumors a while back about Marvel doubling
their output?  Things are getting scary again...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Paranoia will get you through times of no enemies better than enemies
 will get you through times of no paranoia."
		-- Pete Granger
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 06:06:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith):
>>Yes, DC really is doubling the number of titles it's offering, and turning 
>>every viable title it carries into a constellation of four or five titles.  

>Hmmm, so Sandman becomes:
>
>Sandman 
>Death           Who dies this month?
>Desire          "See this, little boy? It's an X-Force #1. You want it!"
>Delirium        Issue #1 will be a Flaming Carrot cross-over.
>Destruction     And you thought Lobo was nasty.

Optimist.  Do you remember Wesley Dodds?
From: dsr@harvey (Darren Shrubsole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: 2000AD  RULES
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:12:34 GMT
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u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson) writes:
: Ok dudes, what's ya fave character and series in 2000AD?
: 
: just want to see what others like.
: 
: I like Rogue Trooper [Friday], ABC crew and FINNFINNFINNFINN.
: 	[and Revere and Dredd and........]
: 
: 
: -- 
:    	Paul Davis, [RENEGADE]	u9035281@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
: 	University of Wollongong Simulation Games Secretary
: 	"Of course I'm Psycho - I'm a SOLO"

What about all the old classics like ANT WARS, Meltdown Man
and Shako? :-)

No the best stories have to be one's with John Wagner at his
best: Dredd, Chopper etc. also anything by John Smith has
been excellent recently...

I've been reading 2000AD since I was seven! I'm now twenty-Two.
The quality is not always great and some of the more recent
stories have been dodgy (Millar's Sam Slade, New Rogue Trooper)
2000AD always week-in, week-out has something that catches my
attention.

What more can you ask for in a comic? 

Dazza

Oh Yeah -- What do you think of the JUDGE DREDD: THE MEGAZINE, 
especially DEVLIN WAUGH: SWIMMING IN BLOOD? John Smith at his 
best?


 
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