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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:52:30 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 271

In this issue:
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 267
    A funny thing happened on the way to the UVa LGSU meeting . . .
               Info needed on Police harassing lesbigays
                                 outing
              Gay-rights Bill in Rhode Island Legislature
                      Non-Discrimination Policies
                           bibliographic help
                   Brown on DP's, question on Clinton
                    Jack Peltason to head UC system
                          1-800-876-1199: OUT!
                        John Morrison's article
          to sabra@cs.umb.e, re:your political survey, part 2
             nondiscrimination policies and blue jeans day

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:33:23 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 267

          RE: Shilts' books
          As reluctant as I am to start a fire fight on Gaynet, or to
          contradict Ron Buckmire, I can't resist noting that Randy
          Shilts' books, The Mayor of Castro Street and, especially,
          The Band Played On, are deeply problemmatic inasmuch as they
          purport to be "objective" reporting when they are in fact
          highly selective and tendentious accounts of the
          events/individuals they cover. Although in general it is
          true that journalistic objectivity is a myth we (as
          marginalized members of society) should ALWAYS be suspicious
          of, it is sometimes more destructive than at other times. To
          choose one example (and it's not a random choice,
          obviously), Shilts' book on AIDS introduced and broadcast
          the spectre of "patient Zero" as the lone Johnny Appleseed
          of HIV, despite the fact that by the time the book was
          published the scientific and medical facts clearly
          disconfirmed this story. The book was written as the
          mini-series it may yet become, and Shilts' political agenda
          and role (say, in the fight over the SF Bathhouses) hidden
          behind the veil of journalistic objectivity.
          At the time there simply weren't any other books on AIDS so
          Shilts had the field to himself. Since then, however, those
          who want or need to know about the epidemic, it's social and
          psychological impact, the media/governmental role in
          avoiding/fighting it, etc., have many books to choose from.
          Those interested in the latter topic might start with James
          Kinsella's Covering the Plague. For more theory, the
          collection edited by Doug Crimp (MIT press) or Cindy
          Patton's Inventing Aids (or her 1985 Sex and Germs).
          Larry Gross

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From: "The Queer Cavalier [K. Ritz]" <klr7a@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 10:17:33 EDT
Subject: A funny thing happened on the way to the UVa LGSU meeting . . .

Hi Netters!  :-)

Well, first I want to say thanks to everyone who helped me out with the
bisexual issue facing the group here at UVa.  An interesting thing happened
at the meeting.  When we took a speaker's list, pro and con, we had 12 pro
speakers and no con speakers.  According to those wonderful Robert's Rules of
Order governing parliamentary procedure, that meant the question was
automatically called and no one would be able to speak.  Being the great
manipulator of Robert's Rules that I have become, I told a friend to agree to
speak for the con side.  So, after the pro side person spoke, my friend
merely called the question, which ended debate and put it to a vote.  With
this action, the people present heard the pro side of the argument (and let
me tell you, Allison did a wonderful job!) but not the con side.  Such a
strategy allowed the motion to pass by 73%!!!  So we are now the Bisexual,
Lesbian, and Gay Student Union at the University of Virginia.  Once again,
thanks for everyone's help!!

In jubilation,

Kevin Ritz, klr7a@virginia.edu
Joy and laughter, love and affection, keep us moving in the right
direction . . .         --The Thompson Twins, _Here's to Future Days_

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From: Jason Patrick Anderson <anderj2@rpi.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:21:58 EDT
Subject: Info needed on Police harassing lesbigays

Hello all,

	I am currently working on writing a article on Police mistreatment of
lesbigays for a political magazine project.  What I am looking for is some
detailed information (or pointers to where I can find it) on the incident of
the j-walker in Cincinatti which took place last November.  To jar memories,
a man with AIDS was harassed by police and, ultimately, charged with
attemptive murder.  I am not clear on how the police determined he was
"attempting to give the officer AIDS."  As you can see, my details are very
sketchy. :)  I would appreciate any information on this subject.  Replies
directly to me are welcome.

				Thanks,

				Jason Anderson
				email: anderj2@rpi.edu

P. S.  If anyone has some other good examples of police harassment, I would
       greatly appreciate them.

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From: glp5941@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Greg Pratt)
Subject: Re: outing
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:48:26 EDT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY  [USA]

Jeremy Black writes:
> well, queer nation and other
> people really do out celebrities and sometimes it turns out rather
> wonderfully for the thousands of teenagers who happen to identify with
> that one celebrity.  maybe they won't have to kill themselves now.

I agree that giving role models for young people who are growing ready to
pull the plug on themselves is a good thing.  I have been looking into this
alarming trend of gay teenage suicides (well, let's say that someone is
*noticing* it, though I doubt the "trend" is new), and have approached my
former public school system in an attempt to see if they can address this
issue (though I have yet to hear anything back from them).

However, what I think you have forgotten to mention is that some people have
out'ed celebreties who did not and still do not embrace the spotlight that
someone has been "kind" enough to point in their direction.

I think you would do a lot more in the long run by finding a manner in which
to strongly encourage, prod and poke famous people to come out of the closet.
I think people generally do more good in the long run when they choose what
they wish to tell other people about themselves.  As I have stated before ad
nauseum, I don't think I, as a teenager, would have respected or looked up to
someone who had to be dragged kicking and screaming form their respective
closet, pointing and saying, "I wouldn't mind having a life like that
person!"

  --- Greg (technically, not a _teenage_ suicide statistic wannabe...)

--
Greg (Gregory Loren) Pratt          Rochester Institute of Technology
Snail:  CPU 1519   25 Andrews Memorial Drive   Rochester, NY 14623-5689   USA
glp5941@ultb.isc.rit.edu | GLP5941@ritvax.isc.rit.edu | GLP5941@RITVAX.BITNET

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay-rights Bill in Rhode Island Legislature
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:50:42 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

"Jonathan Lubin, RIALGCR" <MA406000@brownvm.brown.edu> writes:

>  In previous years, the influential and gay-friendly Chair
>of the House Judiciary Committee, Jeffrey Teitz of Newport,
>has always counseled us to accept a "half-loaf" bill covering
>only credit and public accommodations, and wait till later
>years for the bread-and-butter issues of housing and employment.
>In our most recent near-miss, two years ago, it was just such
>a half-loaf bill that was defeated on the House floor in a
>tie vote.

So this year what does the bill cover? I gather that it is NOT a half-loaf bill?
>*
>look like the rankest amateurs. Our position was helped considerably
>by a very strong letter from the Governor, as well as one from the
>Attorney General, both read before the committee today.
Cool! And your Governor is a who again? Sundlun (R)? Will he sign it?
>*
>  Wish us luck!
Definitely! :-)
>                                                                   jdL

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"...and monkeys might fly outta my butt."  -- MADONNA, in a S.N.L appearance

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Non-Discrimination Policies
Distribution: local
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:53:26 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

Ron.DeVrou@p819.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ron DeVrou) writes:

>The National Gay & Lesbian Task Force in Washington DC keeps a listing of
>universities and has written a newsletter offering direction to persons working
>on non-discrimination policies at the university level.   A copy can be
>obtained
>by either calling or writing to:

>                       NGLTF-Campus Project
>                       1734 Fourteenth St NW
>                       Washington, DC 20009
>                       202-332-6483

>Or leave me a email message with your snailmail address and i will forward one
>to you.

I don't suppose the NGLTF has this data online so that it could be posted to
Gaynet or put in an accessible place? Do you have any idea what number of
schools DO have non-discrimination policies in the USA (rough estimate)?

>Ron DeVrou
>Program Assistant-Campus Project
>NGLTF

>Ron.DeVrou@f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"...and monkeys might fly outta my butt."  -- MADONNA, in a S.N.L appearance

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:58 CDT
From: kkrohn@tamuts.tamu.edu (Katherine Elizabeth Krohn    )
Subject: bibliographic help

 Greetings. One of my colleagues (suuure!) needs some information
in order to help correct the serious under-indexing of gay/bi/lesbian
publications.  Please direct all responses to me directly, as I am
not a subscriber to the list.  Thanks!  Katie Krohn  Dept. of English
Texas A & M University; kkrohn@tamuts.tamu.edu

  I am interested in anything that Michelle Cliff has published
(novels, poetry, short stories, essays), as well as any
interviews (with Cliff or conducted by Cliff) and recordings.
I am having difficulty locating the works that have been
published in lesbian journals because many of these journals
are not indexed.  I consulted the 1986 edition of _Lesbian_
_Periodical Index_ (Naid Press), and I found a few citations.
Do you know if _Lesbian Periodical Index_ is published
annually?  Also, do you know if _The Big Lesbian Book_
has been published yet?
  I am also trying to complete citations for the following
works.  I lack page numbers for the following:
    1) Cliff, Michelle.  "Notes on Speechlessness."
_Sinister Wisdom_ 5 (Winter 1978).
    2) --.  "Accurate Record."  _Sojourner_ (August 1978).
    3) --.  "Claiming an Identity They Taught Me to Despise."
_Azalea_ 3 (1).
I am guessing that "Claiming an Identity..." was probably
first published between 1978 and 1980.  Also, I am still
searching for volume numbers, issue numbers, and page
numbers for the following:
    1) Cliff, Michelle.  "Columba."  _The American Voice_.
    2) --.  "Election Day 1984."  _Voice Literary Supplement_.
    3) --.  "If I Could Write This in Fire I Would Write
This in Fire."  _IKON_.
All three of these were probably published between
>> Mail from Dave Gomberg -  Re: Re: Re: Re: gay and lesbian list
1981 and 1985.
  Also, any information about anthologies that include Cliff
would also be helpful.  If you know of any indexes that
might contain citations, I would also appreciate this
information.  Please address all replies to

   kkrohn@tamuts.tamu.edu

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:41:15 EDT
From: Christopher.Young@ISL1.RI.CMU.EDU
Subject: Brown on DP's, question on Clinton

>From: NICKELSRJ@RASCAL.GUILFORD.EDU
>_Washington Blade_, Vol. 23, No. 14   April 3, 1992, reads:
>        ...Brown's deputy press secretary, Tom Pier, said Brown supports
>        domestic partnership legislation on the local level but opposes
>        "federal legislation" recognizing Gay marriages...
>On the other hand, it is perfectly within the federal judiciary to declare
>unconstitutional governmental discrimination of any kind, at any level.  All
>states are subject to the Constitution -- they should not, however, be subject
>to federal control.  For Brown to say yes to federal legislation recognizing
>same-sex marriage would be a *very* bad thing.  Equality through federal
>domination is not the answer.  If we relinquish the right to govern ourselves
>locally, we are left in the hands of Washington.  And that frightens me.
>
>Sorry for the tirade,

I don't think that was tirade at all. I thought you presented a good case. I
was, however, distressed at this. Quite frankly, I don't think Jerry knows
that this has been going on because he hasn't been in Santa Monica. I think the
Blade blew it out of proportion, but it was the bad judgement of Tom Pier, who
actually was not in the right to issue this release without the L/G
Coordinator's permission. In fact, I've seen the whole thing and it's a mess.

Jerry supports federal support of domestic partnerships for lesbigays in so far
as the federal government is able. This is the basic point. Tom Pier was being
a moron when he did that. A problem I've discover with this campaign is that,
although enthusiastic and even ernest, many of the people even at fairly high
levels of the organization are quite green. I think that is the case here.

Brown is still light years ahead of Clinton on our issues.

By the way,k I think Ron said Clinton is pro- choice. If that's the case,
why'd he sign anti- choice legislation?

						-- Chris.

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: Jack Peltason to head UC system
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:54:15 -0500

I read that Jack Peltason has been chosen as the new Chancellor of the
University of California school system. is that bad news or good news for the
UCLGBA?

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  "D.C. IN 93!"
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"You know, you should really change your position on abortion."
                                 --Katharine Hepburn to George Bush, Nov 1990

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: 1-800-876-1199: OUT!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:57:29 -0500

I read (in USA TODAY, of all places) that the new magazine OUT! is going to
start an 800 number where you can and become a charter subscriber and get a
17-track CD with songs by people like Lou Reed, David Byrne, k.d. lang and
Debbie Harry.

OUT! is supposed to be a lesbian and gay fashion/lifestyle magazine with no
phone-sex ads etc. Sort of like a Queer _Vanity Fair_ or _Details_ or
something like that.

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I wouldn't mind her personality if only she could ACT." -BETTE on Joan Crawford

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:15 CST
From: Eromenos <RMILLER@carleton.edu>
Subject: John Morrison's article

    I think the article by John Morrison in "Christopher Street" #176 is
    not only fair and well documented, but a breath of fresh air in an
    otherwise PC smog of misandry. Feminism has degenerated into a form of
    right-wing censorship and deceitful sexism, something that courageous
    writers like John Morrison and Camille Paglia have had the courage not
    only to oppose, but to document. For all the strength of his anger
    towards feminism, Morrison is very careful to make distinctions in his
    criticisms.

    "This article ... is about anger, the healthy expression of anger at
    wrong-doing, anger about specific attitudes and behaviors among a very
    large number of women. In being angry in this way, this article is
    also very much about challenging our attitudes about anger toward
    women. Traditional chivalry and modern feminism have combined to
    create the situation in which too many people in this society now see
    all anger toward women as hatred of women. This is sick. Only if women
    were perfect beings would all anger toward them be unhealthy. To put
    it simply, the fact that it is taboo to talk about these problems is
    exactly the reason that this article is doing so as forcefully as
    possible."

    Morrison's discussion of the participation of women in the Shanti
    Project is not the real point. It is about the sexism that is
    feminism. "Though there are exceptions to prove the rule, the overall
    feminist lesbian response to the AIDS crisis has been very similar to
    that of the Catholic Church. The response has been one of offering
    enough visible 'help' to paint a picture of compassion, while
    simultaneously following the same old hostile agenda and continuing to
    promulgate the same old prejudiced ideas about the group you are
    'helping'."

    His basic message is that the feminist agenda is hostile to men, and
    that the lesbian feminist agenda is hostile to gay men. A thoughtful
    reaction to Morrison (or to Camille Paglia) requires more than a
    couple of knee-jerk put-down lines directed against "Christopher
    Street". Why should "Christopher Street" be less credible because it
    is primarily a publication by and for gay men? CS has a honorable and
    proud record of providing quality essays, fiction and poetry by and
    for gay men. The editors do not have to include lesbians among the
    staff or contributors in order to achieve validity or credibility, and
    no apology needs to be made for that fact. It's OK - no, it's
    important that there are organizations and publications by and for gay
    men only. I am grateful that there are strong publications like
    "Christopher Street" and the "James White Review" that limit their
    focus to the interests of gay men. I am grateful that there are
    writers who are speak out with clarity and reason about what they see
    as false and harmful in our society and culture. We need more of this
    sort of "leitourgia".

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: to sabra@cs.umb.e, re:your political survey, part 2

My first post to you on 4/7 apparently took; today's did not, so I'm
posting it generally.  I deleted your original request and so don't recall
your name.



- -------- Text of forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
To: sabra@cs.umb.e
Subject: your political survey, part 2

Sorry not to fill in the missing response as promised.  I was felled by
the flu (that stuff really sneaks up on one!) and can't access gaynet at
home.  For whom would I vote for President if I could vote for anyone at
all?  Rosalynn Carter.  She shares the admirable moral vision of Jimmy but
also has a certain pragmatism/practicality and strength that I think he
lacked as President.  She'd be better at getting things accomplished, I
think.  I've always thought that had their positions been reversed (she
President, he unofficial co-president) the country would have benefited
mightily.

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Date:        Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:51:47 CST
From: Allen Gathman <C741SCB@SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU>
Subject: nondiscrimination policies and blue jeans day

Thanks to everyone who has posted nondiscrimination statements
and/or addresses of affirmative action officers in response to
my recent query.  I really appreciate it, and would appreciate
getting even more.

Yesterday was blue jeans day on our campus.  Perhaps the most
notable aspect was the defacement of the Gay and Lesbian Student
Organization's billboard on campus (and various other walls and
sidewalks) with homophobic graffiti.  I did, at least, get photos
of most of them, which I will use in Faculty Senate in the Fall as
soon as someone makes the argument that we don't need an anti-
discrimination policy since there is no discrimination here.



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