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From: phil@eg.lucasauto.co.uk (Phil Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Salomon 9000EXP opinions
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:56:16 GMT
Organization: Lucas Powertrain Systems, Electronic Control Group, UK

In article <1992Apr2.231401.6934@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> gell@henry.ece.cmu.edu (David E. Gell) writes:

Stuff deleted

>
>Does anyone have any personal experience with the X9's or know of someone who
>does?  Has anyone heard if the skiis are really designed for mogul skiing only
>(ie - unstable on high speed GS turns)?  Any advice or opinions are 
>appreciated.
>
>	Thanks,
>		Dave

According to the Salamon literature the 9000EXP is an all round ski for skiers
interested in making precise turns.  Easier to ski than a race ski.  In Salamon
terminology the sidecut is 2S which is standard slalom (as opposed to J turn
slalom).  So the 9000EXP is not a mogul ski.  If you want a Salamon mogul ski
look at the Force 9 series.

I skied the 9000EXP at Verbier for four days last month so I got to know them
quite well.  I found them to be a good all round ski with no surprises but
they didn't excite me.  They were fine on GS turns but not outstanding.         I was interested in purchasing them, they were at
a good discount.  I demoed the 9000 Equipe 1S (GS race ski) earlier in the 
season.  They were much more inspiring than the 9000EXP, good on moguls 
although I was having problems with short turns although the ski teacher
was skiing them and reckoned they were easy to turn and I was doing some of
my best turns ever despite my complaints (I've skied with him for many years).

That covers your request.  I'd like to add the following comments as well

I also skied the Salamon 8000 2S last November on the Hintertux glacier in 
Austria (terrain a bit limited for assessement).  They were very similar
to the 9000EXP.  I am generally impressed by Salamon skis, particularly 
their edge hold.  I was hoping to sort out just which model to buy in 
Verbier but I could not find the other models I wanted to demo.
One ski technician in Verbier reckoned that the 8000EXP was the best all
round ski in the range although it's cheapest.  He also said that Salamon
were completely changing the range for next season.  After testing the 
9000EXP I skied a high performance GS ski for a day - the Authier 
Purmin Zubrigen (sp?) GS (kevlar etc).  They were great, more fun than
the 9000EXP on steep moguls and high speed long turns, could also turn
them quickly.  I seem to like GS skis.

My question to add to Dave's is can people relate their experiences of 
Salomon skis.  I have outgrown my old Rossignol XP11s but do not have 
much experience of performance skis so am finding it difficult to 
chose new skis.  Are Salomon skis anything special as they would
have you believe, or are they just different?

Thanks for any help

	Phil
From: johnh@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (John Harris (The ME/CE Systems Guru))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mt. Bachelor conditions?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.5360
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <22690001@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> psr@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Paul reynolds) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the conditions at Mt. Bachelor?  Do they have
>a closing date yet?
>

Today's (4-17) report:

BASE:    70/104"   1" new over Power Tilled

TEMP:    30/32 degrees, Overcast, Snowing, Moderate/Strong Winds

7 Lifts scheduled to run, Summit lift on weather standby.

30 km of X/C trails groomed and tracked.

I talked to Bachelor's office this morning and officially they have not
scheduled a "closing" date.  However, after April 27th, they will only
be running the Pine Martin HSQ, Sunrise triple and Summit HST.  So technically
the Winter ski season ends on the 27th and the Summer ski season will begin.

The earliest closing date in the last 5 years was on June 1st.  Last year the
Summit lift stayed open till the July 4th weekend.  They also said that the
snowpack is not what it should be.

The forecast for this weekend is showers with the freezing level lowering to
pass levels, so they should pick up some more snow.

Hope that helped, email me later for more up-to-date info if you want it!

John Harris
johnh@me.pdx.edu
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:47:38 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <HLiTiB1w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>A pint of your favorite says you're thinking of Denise McCluggage's book. 
>While I don't see every skiing book out (hey, I don't get paid that much by
>my mountain!), I think I'd at least have heard a rumor of a similar book by
>any author, male or female.  

Naw, as I said yesterday, 'my' book is Sarah Ferguson's 'Skiing from
the Inside'.  (No, not the Royal family's Sarah Ferguson, the other one.)
Mine's a pint of Badgers, thanks. :-)  Never heard of Denise or her
book, but I'll look out for it.

From your description, sounds like they are similar except that Sarah
doesn't refer to Zen.  I can't do it justice in a short article (I
mean, hey, she made a whole book about it) but her basic idea in a
nutshell is that you don't try to make your skis do anything.  Rather,
you try to make yourself aware of what the skis and your body are
doing when left to their own devices, and how it makes you feel.  The
payoff being that if you pay attention to what IS happening, your body
will take care of automatically adjusting its responses so as to bring
it closer to what you want to happen.  Believe it's similar to 'Inner
Game' in that regard, but I found Inner Game (which we also have) to be
not very approachable and haven't read much of it.  Sarah's book is
friendly.

It's had two effects on me.  One is that I ski better.  The other is
that I have more fun because I don't spend so much time worrying about
whether I am skiing better or not.  Seems the relaxeder I get, the
better I go.  And, the better I'm skiing, the less work it takes, which
makes me relax more, which is a really nice feedback loop.

-- 
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From: pdh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Phillip D. Heaven)
Subject: getting to the slopes
Reply-To: pdh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Phillip D. Heaven)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:25:33 GMT


Hi there!
 Just kind of wondering if any of you net-land skiers have
ever taken your skis to the slopes on the back of a motorcycle.
I tried this towards the end of February. Granted it wasn't a 
real ski area (Boston Mills Ohio). But the fact that I was 
combining my two favorite sports/activities; motorcycling and
skiing made for a really cool day! The strangest part (aside
from the looks on peoples faces) was taking off layers of 
clothing to go skiing! Usually I'm putting on a layer to ski in,
not the other way around. But now that spring is in the air
(or at least supposed to be(it's still cold here in Cleveland))
I was wondering if anyone else was interested in cycling to the
slopes?

Phil
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: 92mdb@vax.cc.williams.edu (Hayduke lives!)
Subject: Tuckerman's conditions--AAARRRRGGGHH!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:31:00 GMT

Ok, it's that time again...the time for the weekly request for
conditions at Tuckerman's ravine for this weekend!  Does anyone 
know anything about them?  We're planning a trip up there this
coming weekend.  Any more avalanche danger?  Ice?  Etc?

If you know any of this offhand, could you please email me?
Thankx in advance.

--Michael Bruce
92mdb@williams.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: SLUSHY SKIING
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:16:08 GMT

I don't get it either.
I don't mind skiing slush, and I can like it.
Life's too short to ski ice.

Tele's moguls: learn to switch your feet faster.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dsb@gtx.ummed.edu (Douglas S. Bowman)
Subject: Conditions at Tuckerman's Ravine ?
Keywords: Tuckerman's Ravine, conditions
Organization: University of Massachusetts Medical Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:56:11 GMT

Does anyone know the conditions up at Tuckerman's Ravine ?
The rumor is that there is an avalanche danger now....
Any idea which sections are open ?

Thanks in advance
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: klaus@captain-crunch.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:11:53 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <122930120@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> brown@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Brown) writes:
>In rec.skiing, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>Anyone know of a good distributer for reasonably priced, effective
>helments for child skiers?  Most of the folks in ski shops in my area 
>give me an odd look when I ask if they stock these.


Surely you jest! I think all of the shops around here (SLC) carry helmets.
I won't let my kids ski without them (6 and 8 yr. olds). The most popular
brand I see (and the ones my kids have) are made by a company called
Boeri. I would guess that about 30 to 40% of the local Park City kids
between the ages of 4 and 10 wear them. The peace of mind I have compared
to when they didn't wear them is incredible. And they (the kids) never forget
them. They love them. And judging from the gouges and scrapes on the helmets,
they have been worth their weight in gold. Interestingly enough, most
of the marks are an the very back of the helmet, right where the ski lift
bashes them in the head as they jump up onto the chair. These probably
wouldn't have been serious injuries, but this way, I didn't even hear
a wimper.

An interesting note is that one of the Park City ski instructors was telling
me that making/letting the kids where helmets was irresponsible on my part.
He said it "gave them a false sense of security". chuckle chuckle. I
remember hearing this argument about seatbelts in cars. What a farse.
Besides, they both have been skiing expert runs (with moguls) since they were
5 and 7, and if that comes from a false sense of security, hey, I'll take
it. Besides, its so much fun to watch all the tourists on Blue Slip flailing,
and then to watch their faces as two little kids scoot right past em like
it was a stroll in the park :)

p.s. this instructor is now involved in a lawsuit. Seems he ran into
someone while he was skiing too fast and injured them. Maybe if he had
been a bit more secure.....

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: larocque@balltown.cma.com (Dave Larocque)
Subject: Another Death at Mt. Snow, Vt.
Organization: GE Corporate R&D
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:14:43 GMT

According to new reports the third ski-related death occurred at
Mt. Snow on Sunday, April 5th (actually the fourth if a heart
attack is considered ski-related).  I was at Mt. Snow then and
was unaware of the incident.  Can anyone shed more light on it?

This seems to be the worst season in recent memory for skiing
deaths in the Northeast.  I believe Stowe, Killington, Stratton,
and Mt. Snow have all had deaths.  The total must be close to
ten now.

The ironic thing about the first two deaths at Mt. Snow was that
both of the victims were accomplished skiers skiing on the edges
of easy slopes.  They apparently lost control and went into the 
trees.

-Dave
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From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How Do They Build Moguls?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:24:36 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:

> >> > Nope.  Certain areas have better skiers than others.  The better the ski
> >> > the better the moguls.
> >> 
> >> This is almost right.  The better the *SNOWBOARDERS*, the better the
> >> moguls.
> >> 
> Is it my imagination or are moguls alot smaller than they were in the 70's?
> Maybe it's just that I'm a better skiier and they seem smaller.  Or
> the trend twoards longer skiis in the eighties made them smaller.  Or
> that snowboarders actually do a pretty good job of trimming them down
> here in the 90's.  Or all of the above.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 	Carlson Peters			111 N. Hope St. Rm 1129
> 	CPD Workstation Support		Dept. of Water & Power
> 	(213 481-7898			L.A. CA 90012
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes.

Seriously, I think that changes in skis and sking probably have made some
difference but I'd be hard pressed to prove it.  Also, the types of bumps
vary from region to region as the snow and skiers styles vary.  Again, don't
ask me to prove this but based on purely subjective feel it seems plausible.

 | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
 | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
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From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:39:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> 
> > Many times I see college-aged guys with strong legs go bashing down bump
> > runs.  Straight down the hill, bang, bang, bang.  Except for the lack of
> > aerials, they look just like Olympic mogul bashers (until they crash like
> > rag dolls).  All strength (and stupidity) and no technique.
> 
> Yo, Byrnes, lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> If you can't tell the difference between mogul slammers who just hit
> the top of each mogul and a world class mogul skiier carving turns in
> bumps, you don't know what you're watching.

I guess I should've put Olympic in quotes like this:

   ...they look just like "Olympic" mogul bashers...

I was responding to someone who claims mogul bashing to be the same style
as the Olympic skiers.  If you go back a few, you'll see that I agree with
you and Bruno.

Yo! Mellow out Maddog!

John
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:57:14 GMT

In article <martel.703168473@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
>How I do I get a firm grip while turning on ice ? The steel edges of my skis
>do grip on the ice if I'm standing still, as long I tilt the skis enough.
>But it seems to me that the skis are lying too flat on the ice when I turn,
>causing  sideways slide. This doesn't seem to be a problem for better skiers,
>they make fast, tight turns on ice with full grip. Any tips ?

Push your knees forward and into the hill.  This causes your skis to
tip over more, carving into the hill more effectively.

Crispin
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1340245@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
> In rec.skiing, haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas) writes:
> 
> > If the resort can't be sued for injuries to a skier, what mechanism is 
> > there to keep management on the straight and narrow?
> 
>  In what respect? Certainly the area has a responsibility to run the 
>  equipment safely (chairs that fall off the cable would be bad...) but
>  I disagree with the implicit assumption that the area is in some way
>  responsible for the manner in which people ski.

Not for how they ski, but for how they emphasize safety in their operations
and the image they project for skiiers.

I'm not sure it signifies, but I noticed that Mt. Snow is getting kind of
careless about leaving idle snow guns and unpadded piping on the edge of
active runs.  One wonders...

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Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
From: hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:26:14 GMT
Reply-To: hugh@fivegl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <122930122@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>
>What are the best skis?

Oh dear, here we go.....

>Price is no object.

Just as well!

>-- LSC


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From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Avalanche death in Utah
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.113044.396@hellgate.utah.edu>
allen%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog) writes:
>>In a previous posting, Walt Haas describes the Gold Basin avalanche.
>>
>>What strikes me about this account is how finely the party balanced
>>ambiguous signals to make their hazard evaluation.
...
>>common.  We use our training to evaluate conditions on marginal days,
>>days on which we might stay home if we lacked confidence in our
>>knowledge.
>>
>>Desire draws us like moths to a flame.  The smart moth, who
>>understands the flame but gets as close to it as he dares, may not 
>>be much safer than the ignorant moth who blunders into it.

Yes, it is a fine line.  I thought about the days where I decided to
stay home (Tahoe) or maybe when they closed Cottonwood Canyon (staying
at IB). When you hear the artillery.  I wondered about how Perla decided
which days he stays home and drinks coffee.  The funny line which John Cleese
once said in a movie:
	Today, my authority ends here.

>One thing that happens in any group is peer pressure.  How many of us
>have been in a group when someone has been hesitant about skiing a
>slope ?  We convience them to ski it - sometimes they have a blast
>othertimes they are ready to kill us afterwards.

I would wonder a little bit more about the group lacking any hesistation.
A good measure is the discipline required to keep adequate distance
(spacing) between members breaking trail.  In some cases you see the
latter members catch up to the lead in hazardous areas.  That fact that
members rendezvous in exposed locations is a bad sign.  This has to be
done is some cases, but if I am breaking trail, and a follower catches
up to me in the middle of a sliding zone, I get a bit erked:
	Who's going to dig us out if we BOTH start a slide?
Gotta learn to ski the land.

>Lowell is very right in his observation.

Agreed.

>I think that when ever any us push ourselves due to added knowledge
>about how dangerous or difficult a situation is we could also add in
>the following: if I did not know any better would I still do this ??
>Sometimes ignoance is bliss, othertimes it is not.
>
>Kudo's to Lowell for a great observation.

Agreed.

Here's to staying in-doors on heavily snowy days.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:21:59 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

> In article <1992Apr6.095137.10989@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul S
> >In article <BZVoiB3w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes
> >>With all due respect to Timothey Gallwey and Bob Kriegel, I think "Inner
> >>Skiing" is a near dead loss.  In its place I suggest Denise McCluggage's
> >>"The Centered Skier."  
> >
> >Ooops, is IGS Gallwey's book?  It is, isn't it.  It's not the one I'm
> >thinking of, then.  The one I like was written by a woman, but it's not
> >'The Centered Skier' either.  Have to remember to check when I get home.
> >(It is yet another one on philosophically similar grounds.  'Skiing from
> >the Inside', maybe?  That sounds familiar.  I'll check.)
> 
> 'Skiing From the Inside', by Sarah Ferguson, that's the one I mean.
> (Book shop down the road had a copy, when I checked over lunch.)
> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  :-)
> 
> -- 
> Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
>  P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132

Right, then, I owe you a pint of your favorite.  Send the bill.  Tell me
more about this book.  Uh, the author isn't a redhead, BTW?  ;-)  


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bannan@convex.com (Bill Bannan)
Subject: Re: telescopic poles
Keywords:  Telescopic Poles Ramer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:44:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Freinds of mine say that the 'push button poles' are weaker. Also
>I don't know if anyone makes them anymore, do they?

  I Have a set of Ramer push button poles that I've used backcountry skiing
  as well as downhill. Despite many crash & burns I have had no problems
  with them. They are easy to work & reliable. I had a pair of Exel adjustables
  2 years ago & they sucked! They where of the twist-lock variety. One day
  going down Wildfire at Bear Mt, I made a hard pole plant and the bottom
  section punched right up through the top of the handle. Junk! The only 
  place I know of that carries the Ramer poles is the Dartmouth Co-op in
  Hanover NH..
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