HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: SIGNOFF PCGEOS-LIST
Keywords: netiquette
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:54:50 GMT
Organization: Grot Shops, Ltd.

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>In article <9212141712.AA00775@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
><pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>>SIGNOFF PCGEOS-LIST

>Okay, I've seen enough of these totally unappropriate, time wasting, mis
>addressed posts.

Sign-off/unsubscribe messages do tend to get posted in all newsgroups that
are gatewayed to mailing lists.  Unfortunately, there seems to be some kind of
dynamic which causes them to occur in flurries.  I wouldn't get too excited
about it, myself.

>[about proper addresses for administrative stuff]
>If you don't understand any of this, please read the various periodic
>postings to news.answers, news.newusers.answers, etc.

The people who are mis-addressing these messages don't get netnews!

>Mitra, could you please put some kind of filter on the pcgeos-list address
>[...]

This isn't all that easy.  Which keywords would you pick?  For example,
would you *always* want to filter out any message which contained the
word "remove"?  I suppose that you could set up a filter which held
messages which contained keywords in some kind of holding tank for manual
review by the gateway administrator, but adminstrating a mailing-list/newsgroup
gateway is enough work already.  I can attest to that, and I'm sure that
Mitra would agree :-).

Of course, you can set up your own keyword-based filter using the "kill"
features of popular newsreader programs.

>P.S.   I post this for all of the tired, over-worked people who'd rather
>       spend their time being productive rather than have to wade through
>       this crap (i.e., I'm speaking for myself :-).  Take care.

Well, OK, but this message struck me as a bit overly inflammatory, and in a
sense added to the wading pool (as has this posting...).  And directing
follow-ups to news.answers was just a bit cruel :-O.

A better solution, IMHO, is to:

1. Let the mailing list administrator manage the mailing list.  If you're
   a comp.os.msdos.pcgeos newsreader, then you will not know whether and how
   often Mitra sends out information to mailing list subscribers about the
   proper mailing address for unsubscription.  Don't post your own information
   about mailing list etiquette, especially if it isn't complete (e.g. it
   tells you to use an administrative address but doesn't provide the actual
   address).

2. If you really think that the problem has gotten out of hand and you feel
   that it is not being adequately addressed, send some *polite* e-mail to
   the mailing list administrator.

-- 
-Brian Smithson
 brian@grot.starconn.com
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: 2.0 wish list
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:55:17 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ted@helios.UCSC.EDU (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>I don't know what others may mean by "rulers" (marks along the screen edge?),
>but what I'd like to see I'd call "micrometers". A little box in some corner
>that continuously shows the absolute XY position of the cursor and the ability
>to set any point to "zero" and have the position be shown relative to that
>point - a second XY scale, perhaps. Does this seem usefull to anyone else?

Sounds very useful.  I believe the old Commodore GEOS (at least the later
versions) did something like that whenever you drew a line - it would give
you X-distance, Y-distance, and total (hypotenuse) distance.  It also, I
think, did so for boxes.  I don't think it did it for circles, but I think
it dealt with them differently.  I'd like an X-distance/Y-distance for
circles especially since it's so darn hard to _guess_ at whether a circle
is actually balanced.  Oh, the old one let you pick whether you wanted the
distances measured in inches, pixels, or maybe centimeters.  It also had a
"restrict" function in line-drawing, which forced lines to be either 
horizontal, vertical, or 45-degree diagonals.

I expect to see a lot more functionality in GeoDraw 2.0, and I hope some of
it will be very familiar to those of us who've been with the company for
5 years or so. :)

-Shag

PS: Been with as a customer.  You want an employee, bug John, over there. ;)

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From: r.kilpadi@genie.geis.com
Subject: Re: Pen computing
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:37:11 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Hi!
 Could you please remove my name and address from your mailing list.
 
My e-mail address is: R.KILPADI@genie.geis.com
 and my name is Rohit Kilpadi
 
Thanks in advance,
                  Rohit Kilpadi
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Charles Lasner <lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: subscribe
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:35:52 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

SUBSCRIBE PCGEOS-LIST Charles Lasner
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From: batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil. 301/286-2988)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Summary:  Maybe ethernet cards CAN work with GeoComm
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  ethernet communications
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.182724.7195@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
 doug-taylor+@osu.edu writes...
> batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil.
> 301/286-2988) writes:
>>You need not use a modem to connect as you have been doing.  GeoComm
>>works fine talking directly to a terminal server on the com port.
> 
>We have been told that our communications will be over Ethernet lines,
>not through a serial connection in whatever form.  Basically, there
>won't be anything to plug into my serial port.  There will be a
>terminal server available, but that will be only for people with dumb
>terminals and it'll only be around until everybody gets a PC.
> 
>>  I do
>>not have a modem in my PC, but I use GeoComm often in communicating with
>>my VAX and Sun 4.  You only need a 3Com card or some such device, as I
>>understand it.  Doesn't it just act like a com port?  I admit I haven't
>>tried it!
> 
>Not really.  For starters, it's a lot faster.  There's also no "port"
>assigned like com1, com2, ...  The connection is made in a different
>way.  In addition, the ethernet card lets you have many different
>connections (and kinds of connections) at once.  For example, I can
>telnet to another computer (a TCP/IP connection), ftp back to my PC (a
>second TCP/IP connection) to transfer files back to a LAN drive (an
>IPX connection).  A serial connection simply doesn't let you do all
>that.

I talked with someone here who is knowledgeable about ethernet cards, because
I am about to get one also.  He said the TCP/IP software that we have can be
configured to emulate a serial port, he is pretty sure.  He has already used
Kermit with the 3Com ethernet card, so he thinks there is a way to use
programs like ProComm with the ethernet card.  Maybe GeoComm can be fooled
too, with the choice of Interrupt 14, he says.

>   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
>   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
>   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles

])ave
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: 2.0 wish list
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:01:22 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

     With all this talk about wish lists for 2.0, I thought I'd add my
one desire.  Yes, I know I posted positive remarks about the addition
of spreadsheet and database (that was in the comments earlier,
right?), but there's one thing I want desperately.

     Rulers in GeoDraw.  I'm not particularly talented artistically,
but I use MacDraw at work to good effect because of the rulers.  I can
put things exactly where I want them, and make them exactly the size I
need.  Rulers in Geodraw would make my home stuff easier.
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From: rgt@bifur.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:00:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: bifur.unh.edu

In article <1992Dec17.211446.24699@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> doug-taylor+@osu.edu writes:
>Let's start a new thread.  I'd like to talk about how we all use GEOS
>currently and how we'd like to use GEOS once v2.0 comes out. 

I use GeoComm to log in to my schools' computers, since it's got the best
vt100 emulator of all my comm programs. Although I use Telix for downloading
since it has Zmodem. But Comm can still handle a text upload fine.
Have a lockout feature to prevent anyone else from using it (that stayed locked
even if they shut off the computer and tried to re-enter Geoworks) would save
me the time of shutting the system down and turning everything back on again
if I have to leave my room.

I do all my word processing with Write or notepad.
I use Write/Draw to write newsletters and fancy cover-sheets for presentations,
so some more DTP abilities would be nice, as would more standard fonts. As well
as an OUTLINE style. And just plain more tools for Draw.

I still use DOS for some file management since it's still faster for me to type
than point and click, and I've got a bunch of utilities off ftp.

What would make my useage time really go up is a DOS window, Zmodem, a database
(Dex doesn't quite cut it, but I can live with it), and any code development
that comes down the pipe.
Image converters or the ability for GeoDraw to import more formats would make
my Newsletter and cover-sheet work much more productive.
And a postscript previewer for imported images or to double-check stuff that
gets printed-to-file.

If Geos could manage an X-client/server/windows setup, that would be fantastic.
It would be like having a workstation in my room, and I could my do graphics
homework in comfort.

Geos is the only major piece of software on my machine, so I use it for most
of my productivity work, and anything that 2.0 has I'll use.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Subject: Re: getting off this list
Organization: Pandora Systems
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:15:24 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

You seemed to have tried everything but mailing the list owner as
suggested in whatever feedback you should have got. 

I've removed you from the list.. .. oops that means you wont get this!

For those still on the list ..
Subscribe by sending the one-line message

SUBSCRIBE PCGEOS-LIST Your Name 

to listserv@pandora.sf.ca.us

Unsubscribe by sending 

SIGNOFF PCGEOS-LIST 

to the same address, any problems you can mail me
(mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us) about.

- Mitra
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Termcaps (was: Comm question)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:04:15 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:

>Since there's not a whole heck of a lot that can be done in the way of hacking
>GeoComm to deal with the semicolons more effectively, I've started looking at
>the idea of finding (or writing) a unix termcap entry for a terminal, real or
>mythical, that supported a decent range of features WITHOUT using those pesky
>semicolons, and then hacking one of the less-used termcap (.tc) files in
>GeoComm (since it won't accept any extra terminal types) to equal _that_ type
>of terminal.  A bit of work, yes.  But it's at least theoretically feasible,
>and might be a good solution to the bug.

To make this a little _more_ feasible, I've mucked around with a file that
Doug Taylor posted, 'man termcap(5)' on my host, and combined them to come up
with this list.  The strings on the left are pretty much vt100-based.

-----
String		GEOS	Termcap	Function

^G		0	;bl	bell
^H		1	;le	left
^I		2	;ta	tab
^J		3	;do	down
^M		4	;cr	return
\EM		5	;sf	scroll text up
\EOA		6	;ku	up arrow
\EOB		7	;kd	down arrow
\EOC		8	;kr	right arrow
\EOD		9	;kl	left arrow
\EOP		10	;k0	F1
\EOQ		11	;k1	F2
\EOR		12	;k2	F3
\EOS		13	;k3	F4
\E[;H\E[2J	14	;cl	Clear
\E[?1h\E=	15	;ks	Num on
\E[?1l\E>	16	;ke	Num off
\E[A		17	;up	cursor up
\E[C		18	;nd	cursor right
\E[H		19	;ho	cursor home
\E[J		20	;cd	clear 2 end o screen
\E[K		21	;ce	clear 2 end o line
\E[m		22	;me	normal mode (no inverse)
\E7		23	;sc	save cursor
\E8		24	;rc	restore cursor
\E[%i%d;%i%dr	25	;cs	change scroll region
\E[%i%d;%i%dH	26	;cm	goto xy
;		27	;md	bold on
;		28	;us	underscore on
;		29	;mb	blink on
\E[1;7m		30	;mr	reverse on
\E[L		31	;al	insert line
;		32	;bt	back tab
\E[M		33	;dl	delete line
\E[P		34	;dc	delete char
;		35	;ic	insert char
;		36	;ts	go status
\E[4h		37	;im	insert mode
\E[4l		38	;ei	leave insert mode
\ED		39	;sr	scroll text down
;		40	;is	term init
;		41	;rs	sane reset
\E[%dm		42	;ac	graphics on
\E[%i%dH	43	;cv	set row
\E[;%i%dH	44	;ch	set column
;		45	;ue	underscore off
;		46	;se	reverse off
;		47	;st	set tab
;		48	;ct	clear tab
\Evb		49	;vb	visible bell
\E[%dB		50	;DO	cursor down many
\E[%dD		51	;LE	cursor left many
\E[%dC		52	;RI	cursor right many
\E[%dA		53	;UP	cursor up many

Obviously, certain commands just won't work, since, well, those pesky 
semicolons have infested them.

I'm going to be trying to hack up some sort of termcap too, though I can't
screw with /etc/termcap on my host (for obvious reasons)... ;)

-Shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Harold Climer <HCLIMER%UTCVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: COOMMODORE GEOS/ PCGEOS
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:36:03 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


          Hi,
             I have been a GEOS user since version 1.1 for the Commodore 64/128

 I also use Geos128 V. 2.0 and now I use GEO PRO version for my MSDOS Machine.
             I have lots of Clip Art and documents ( Mostly Software manuals fo
Commodore 64/128 PD or Shareware ) and was wondering if there are programs out
there in the user community to convert these GEOPAINT and GEOWRITE files
directly ( Not Commodore version to ASCII then to GEOWORKKS version) to the
MSDOS GEOS. I also would like to convert Fonts if it is possible.
         BTW I still use my C-128 version when using my PC for other things at
the same time ie Downloading files from my local BBS.
         Also is there any poop as to whether Geoworks is going to upgrade
GEOPAINT. The toolbox choices are the pits. Even the 64 version had PIXEL EDIT
and an eraser.( At least as a toolbox selection) No fill either or spray can.

                                          Harold Climer
                                          Physics Dept.
                                          U. Tennessee at Chattanooga
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil. 301/286-2988)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Summary: Using GeoComm with Ethernet & TCP/IP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.211446.24699@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, doug-taylor+@osu.edu writes...
> 
>...(I'm back to my 8 MHz 286 with 2 megs RAM).  I currently use GeoComm
>quite a lot, as well as Notepad for cutting and pasting from one
>online session to another.  I also do some documentation on GeoWrite
>(getting screen prints by cutting from GeoComm) and I keep my
>scheduled meetings straight on GeoPlanner.  I'm working on using
>GeoDex to keep project notes.  (I already use it for recipes at home.)
> 
>Unfortunately, we've been told that our desktop modems are going away
>and that any future connections to mainframes or minis will be through
>Ethernet TCP/IP connections.  We've also been told that our new
>standard word processor is MS Word for Windows.  (That's pretty much a
>joke, given that the de facto standard for the rest of the campus is
>WordPerfect and that most of the PC's around here -- mine included --
>can barely run Windows, much less WinWord.  But I digress :-)
> 
>Given those considerations, what I need most from GEOS 2.0 is TCP/IP
>connectivity.  I would like to be able to connect to our mainframe and
>several minis at once and cut/paste between them.  Upload/download
>capability would be nice, too.  Without TCP/IP, though, I might as
>well take GEOS off my work PC; it's that critical to what I do.  An
>X-server would be great, but I could live with multiple TCP/IP
>sessions on GeoComm.

You need not use a modem to connect as you have been doing.  GeoComm
works fine talking directly to a terminal server on the com port.  I do
not have a modem in my PC, but I use GeoComm often in communicating with
my VAX and Sun 4.  You only need a 3Com card or some such device, as I
understand it.  Doesn't it just act like a com port?  I admit I haven't
tried it!

>I receive and send a lot of e-mail, too, and I'd like to do that
>through GEOS.  I'd need a POP client or MHS client to do that.

These would be nice, but not vital, I think.

>OK, I've said my piece.  How do the rest of you use GEOS and how do
>expect to use GEOS 2.0?
>-- 
>   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
>   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
>   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Printer Ejects Slowly!
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.184239.22520@eng.umd.edu> jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey) writes:
>When printing from GEOS to my Deskjet or Deskjet Plus, the printer
>hangs up for a long time before kicking out the printed page.  I
>know GEOS is done with the printer before this happens, because you
>can shut it down without the "Documents are Still Printing" message.
>Hitting Reset on the printer will kick out the page too, but it's
>an annoyance.
>
>Any ideas?

I've noticed that GEOS seems to hang any time it's "printing" a long
stretch of white space, whether it's the beginning, middle, or end of
a page.  My guess is that it's sending "<space><space><space>..." to
fill up the white space instead "skip <x> number of lines".  It
happens on my Deskjet and my Deskjet Plus.  Possibly a problem with
the printer driver?

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:56:41 GMT

In article <18DEC199214284386@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil. 301/286-2988) writes:
>I talked with someone here who is knowledgeable about ethernet cards, because
>I am about to get one also.  He said the TCP/IP software that we have can be
>configured to emulate a serial port, he is pretty sure.  He has already used
>Kermit with the 3Com ethernet card, so he thinks there is a way to use
>programs like ProComm with the ethernet card.

Dave, it's my understanding that various TCP/IP drivers can redirect
interrupt 14 to the ethernet card instead of the serial port.  (I
believe that INT14 is the BIOS way of writing to the serial port, but
maybe I'm wrong.)  If the software does direct access to the serial
port, though, I don't think that a TCP/IP driver can capture that.  My
guess is that GEOS writes directly to the serial port.

BTW, I'm not sure how he has Kermit configured, but I, too, use Kermit
over TCP/IP.  I can set up my version to operate over a serial
connection, interrupt 14, TCP/IP with packet drivers, or TCP/IP with
ODI.  GEOS isn't that smart -- yet.  I really hope v2 is.

>  Maybe GeoComm can be fooled
>too, with the choice of Interrupt 14, he says.

If you can make GeoComm work with INT14, please let me know.  I've
done some fiddling with it without any success so far.
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Comm question
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:35:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

I remember there were several complaints and such about GeoComm not working
properly for emulating vt100 mode. Since I've never had any problems (probably
b/c I run on a DEC machine), I usually scanned over the posts, but I remember
someone mentionning that the Geos termcaps use semicolons to separate entries,
as well as a few other inconsistencies with the standard termcap settings. (the
vt100 settings can have a semi-colon in them.)
Anyway, my reason for posting this is that we just covered termcaps in my
advanced systems programming class, and I was wondering why GeoComm just
doesn't use a copy of the /etc/termcap file found on most machines. It's a
fairly simple format, and I'm sure most machines use similar formats. 
Was there a trade-off made because of incompatibilities(sp) b/t termcaps, or
was it just an oversight, or what? Will it be changed for 2.0? Will the ENTIRE
termcap entry for the various terminals be included, or just an abbreviated/
most-common-features list be used?

If this was answered already, sorry to use up the bandwidth, but it only became
an interest of mine very recently.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: COOMMODORE GEOS/ PCGEOS
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:29:08 GMT

HC> Commodore 64/128 PD or Shareware ) and was wondering if there are
HC> programs out there in the user community to convert these
HC> GEOPAINT and GEOWRITE files
 
Yes there is.  I used to have a commie and I had the program a program
that could convert clipart or geopaint files (can't remember which)
directly to the IBM geos.  Unfortunately, I sold my 64 and erased the
software.  I believe some georep wrote it so you could probably find
it on Quantum Link (Is America on line the new QL?) or a commodore
64 bbs if any still exist.