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From: cole@gaff.physci.psu.edu (Robert Cole)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: Fear of seperation ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:30:08 GMT
Organization: Penn State University, Physical Sciences

>Fear is a personal thing. I suspect that the best way to overcome it, is to
>not think about it. ie focus on (but don't force) seperating from the
>body, and leave what will happen afterwards to the "GODS". 
>I suggest that you don't look at your own body for a long time, after 
>having reached seperation, as this might give you a bit of a fright ...
>ie your body will look rather crude and ugly to you (most probably).
>
>Other than that, I can only say that there is nothing to worry about
>if you keep your calm. You could always ask for assistance when on the 
>other side. Just send out a thought to your GUIDE and ask him/her to be
>present. Don't be surprised if someone turns up.
>
>Sascha
>
>ps has anyone asked for the presence of a GUIDE before. What was the outcome ?


I have had great difficulty moving out of the paralysis state, but after I
heard about the guides, I tried something which seems to work.  Many times
I am able to move just an arm or two so what I do is extend my non-physical
hands and ask someone to take them.  On the few occasions I have tried this,
someone has taken my hands and pulled me along.  These experiences are non-
visual, although on one occasion I asked my guide to help me see and he
actually pried my eyes open!  I was able to see, however the quality of my
vision decayed rapidly.  I'd like to know what experiences others have had
with these entities in their obe's.  In my experience the guides (if that
is what they were) act very strangely.  They can ignore questions or give
(seemingly) nonsensical answers.  Has anyone else had the vision problem,
and if so, are there any good tricks for solving it?
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: Re>in-body questions
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:03:23 GMT
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

tom_repasky@mentorg.com wrote:
: > We all are descendents of ancient stars.  The "death" of these objects is
: part
: > of what and who we are (this is also true of many other objects.  Our
: inability
: > to "remember" is a side-effect of human birth.
: 
: >me thinks you got that wrong ! I would be interested in what the source of
: >this BELIEF is though. - then again I could be wrong. Either way, what was the
: >source of the above idea !
: 
: The physical domains of this universe are bound to the process of recycling. 
: Novas spew material into space that become "seeds" around which matter
: accretes.  We are all made of the same stuff.  Differentiated individually.  
: The source of any thing I say is entirely based upon my experience.  I can/will
: only represent what I know.  
: 
: >>Permitted?  By whom or what?  
: 
: Perhaps permitted was a poor choice of terms.  The body was "not wanted". 
: Newer bodies have beings (spirits, souls) waiting for their turn.  I was
: permitted, as I choose to have the body no one else would choose.  

I am refering to the above and everything that follows.
A wise man once said "Bullshit baffles the brain"
That is not to say that what you present is Bull, it mearly means that
I and probably a lot of others are having a hard time following what you
are saying. Hence, could you be more specific and link what you say to 
something we can ALL relate to, before going onto the more complex 
thoughts you have.

NOTE: the above was more or less meant as constructive criticism

Sascha
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From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Fear of seperation ?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:19:20 GMT

Robert Cole (cole@gaff.physci.psu.edu) wrote:
: >Fear is a personal thing. I suspect that the best way to overcome it, is to
: >not think about it. ie focus on (but don't force) seperating from the
: >body, and leave what will happen afterwards to the "GODS". 
: >I suggest that you don't look at your own body for a long time, after 
: >having reached seperation, as this might give you a bit of a fright ...
: >ie your body will look rather crude and ugly to you (most probably).
: >
: >Other than that, I can only say that there is nothing to worry about
: >if you keep your calm. You could always ask for assistance when on the 
: >other side. Just send out a thought to your GUIDE and ask him/her to be
: >present. Don't be surprised if someone turns up.
: >
: >Sascha
: >
: >ps has anyone asked for the presence of a GUIDE before. What was the outcome ?
: 
: 
: I have had great difficulty moving out of the paralysis state, but after I
: heard about the guides, I tried something which seems to work.  Many times
: I am able to move just an arm or two so what I do is extend my non-physical
: hands and ask someone to take them.  On the few occasions I have tried this,
: someone has taken my hands and pulled me along.  These experiences are non-
: visual, although on one occasion I asked my guide to help me see and he
: actually pried my eyes open!  I was able to see, however the quality of my
: vision decayed rapidly.  I'd like to know what experiences others have had
: with these entities in their obe's.  In my experience the guides (if that
: is what they were) act very strangely.  They can ignore questions or give
: (seemingly) nonsensical answers.  Has anyone else had the vision problem,
: and if so, are there any good tricks for solving it?

>> I am happy to hear that you had some sort of success in asking for your 
>> Guides (lets hope that the entity encountered is truly your Guide ;)  )
>> As for your vision decaying rapidly ( I wonder what EXACTLY you did see
>> in that brief moment), I suspect that you began to analyse precisely what
>> is happening. This would bring your consciouss (probably still quite
>> skeptical) mind into play which might have interferred with your 
>> clairvoyant vision. (NOTE: I am only speculating !!!) If I am right though,
>> then next time it happens, just go along for the ride (without analysing)
>> and then when you "come back" go into a quiet state and THEN analyse what
>> happened. Let us know how you go.

>> Sascha
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Common methods for achieving oobe?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:43:31 GMT


Well, I have been trying to relax when I go to sleep so  I can bring about
an oobe. But everytime I try I fall a sleep. I have been getting great
sleep lately.

In the past I have had dreams when I was fully aware that I was asleep
but I couldn't move. The only way to wake up is to go to sleep in
my dream. From reading this group it seems I got to a point at the
begining of an oobe but I have never actually left my body.

How do people go about having an oobe? Can they do it at will. I would
like to try it again. I'm anxious for it to happen again, this time
I won't be afraid of being paralyzed and I won't try and wake up.

Andy
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca (Bill McKinnon)
Subject: psychic sight
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:37:00 GMT

-- 

I'm curious about something, and i think it is related to obes.  Ok first
a little background.  I found that a couple of times that on an evening
when i was going to have an obe that i could see with my eyes closed.  No
real definition mind you, just shadows of the room around me.  Now, 
blindfolded, i can almost always get these vague shadows.  Now for the
interesting tidbit.  I was doing one of my 'blindfold' experiments not too long
ago.  Everything was as it always was, but, after a while of focusing on the
shadows i got a clear (albiet stark) vision of my room.  Everything was in
black and white, but i could see everything.  I passed my arms back and forth
in front of me and i could see them quite plainly.  I'm wondering if anyone out
there has experienced anything similar.  Thanx in advance.

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From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu (BRUTON, WILLIAM DANIEL)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 29 Aug 1992 07:28:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

On having an oobe.....

Someone writes:
> 
>i almost never have a problem achieving the separation after i get the tingling
>sensation.  my problem has always been getting to the point that i get the
>tingling sensation without totally falling asleep.  
>does anyone have any hints as
>to how i can easily achieve the sensation?  
>right now, for me, if it happens, it
>happens and if it doesnt it doesnt.  
> 
>

I've had the same problem with falling asleep during an attempt.
Something seems to help however.  This sounds kinda strange but
if I make a mental suggest that I will become conscious (wake-up) in 
say 20-30 minutes after I fall asleep....then the tingling-energy
sensation seems to come easy at this point.  
It seems that the mental affirmation must be strong in order to work.

Others have suggested to me that I lie flat on my back and lift
one forearm up and hold it balanced.....so that if it falls you wake.
I haven't had any success with this.

I've found that tensing and relaxing the whole body before and attempt
works well.  Tensing each indiviual muscle (major muscles) and then relaxing it 
seems to work even better.  Then I just watch my breathing get slower
and wait....
Dan
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: REALITY CHECK!  (was: in-body questions)
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:22:12 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

> >>>What exactly is a level 12 universe?  If it began at level 12, what level is
> >>>it at now?
> >>
> >>Six and twelve are great numbers.  I believe its six. 

    This is a friendly request. Please take this conversation out of this
newsgroup.  It is a serious disruptions of the intended topic of
conversation. 
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com
Subject: in-body-exp response
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:58:36 GMT
Organization: Information Services

Someone stated: I am not sure what this means...
(referencing in-body-experience #2)

I am not sure either.  I suppose I could pretend that the experiences I have
had are illusionary, however, I still must live with who or what I am.  That
has been the most difficult aspect of my existence.  Some 30,000 years ago my
moment of awareness bloomed.  The spreading awareness eventually extended to
this planet Earth.  Then 20 some years ago a body became available which I was
permitted to enter.  The cost/price of being was substantial.  Now, I realize
the actual environment of existence is from within the mind, the act of
definitioning.  During my remaining few years as a human, I expect to witness
new awareness and growth in this thing I call existence.  As a catalyst, this
is my purpose. As life this is my joy.
I have many stories I would like to share, however, time is not yet ready. 
Perhaps soon.  
 
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From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:12:05 GMT

: We all are descendents of ancient stars.  The "death" of these objects is part
: of what and who we are (this is also true of many other objects.  Our inability
: to "remember" is a side-effect of human birth.

me thinks you got that wrong ! I would be interrested in what the source of
this BELIEF is though. - then again I could be wrong. Either way, what was the
source of the above idea !

Sascha
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From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: Tell me if this an oobe
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:09:33 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


In <5926@transfer.stratus.com> asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com writes:

> Is this what an oobe is and if it is how can I control it or what else can I
> do with it?
> 
> Andy

  This is pretty much how my OBEs start. All my life I have had these 
terrifying night paralyses until a friend gave me this simple advice: when you 
find yourself in this situation, imagine that you can sense two bodies. With 
the less physical of the two, simply roll out of the other.  It happened 
again that very night and I had my first OBE.  The paralysis that was once 
extremely unpleasant is now one of the most welcome experiences in my life. 
One question. Are these experiences associated with a sense of vibration or 
buzzing?
From: wdb3926@zeus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: in-body-exp response
Date: 27 Aug 1992 06:46:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug26.225836.18147@news.mentorg.com>, tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes...
>Someone stated: I am not sure what this means...
>(referencing in-body-experience #2)
> 
>I am not sure either.  I suppose I could pretend that the experiences I have
>had are illusionary, however, I still must live with who or what I am.  That
>has been the most difficult aspect of my existence.  Some 30,000 years ago my
>moment of awareness bloomed.  The spreading awareness eventually extended to
>this planet Earth.  Then 20 some years ago a body became available which I was
>permitted to enter.

Permitted?  By whom or what?  

>  The cost/price of being was substantial.  Now, I realize
>the actual environment of existence is from within the mind, the act of
>definitioning.  During my remaining few years as a human, I expect to witness
>new awareness and growth in this thing I call existence.  As a catalyst, this
>is my purpose. As life this is my joy.
>I have many stories I would like to share, however, time is not yet ready. 
>Perhaps soon.  
> 

 In response to your first story....
This may seem unimportant, but I'm curious.  Before you "entered" your
human body did you communicate with it's previous "owner"?  Where might
that person be now?
	Do you have "out of body experiences" now?

Dan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:39:18 EDT
From: <SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Fear of seperation ?

Well, so how does one go about overcoming the fear that one is going to
achieve oobe ?

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Re: Senses during OOBE's
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:45:30 GMT

 
> Anyone else examined the senses during oobe's?
 
I've experimented with the senses while OB, i've found sight moderate to
control, hearing rare, touch easy, smell nonexistant, taste nonexistant.

> Oh, and about the tether that some say exist between the physical body
> and the other body......I've never met anyone that has seen this tether....
> I have not seen it either.....only heard about it in books.  I suspect
> that it is a myth or imagined.....but then again I haven't met many 
> people who have actually had an oobe.   
> 

> Has anyone seen this tether?  If so have you tried touching it?

I've only checked once for this tether.  I found it attached to the back
of my head.  I never saw it, but i could feel where it joined up.
 					
> 
> Dan

Bill.
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Test to achieve Telepathic commun.
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:34:48 GMT

svenning@cc.curtin.edu.au wrote:
: Who would like to perform a small experiment to test the boundaries of oobe's
: and psychic ability?
: 
: I suggest we try to perform intercontinental communication via telepathic
: power. I am convinced that it is possible if there is another person willing
: to attempt this at the same time as myself.
:   If you are interested, e-mail me and I will attempt to arrange a time for
: the test to occur. 
: 
: 							Regards,,
: 								Todd.
I would agree that it is possible, given that you have 2 people of
equally GREAT ability. Give it a shot, and see how great your ability is.
Could you let the group know your results.

Sascha
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 13:38:20 EDT
From: Even better than the real thing. <IO10781@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: relax ... relax .. rela ... zzzzzzzzzz

   I am having trouble with the methods used to enter an OBE. It
seems all of them (less the staring at your third eye for 8 minutes)
require being very relaxed. That's not a problem. I can relax myself
fairly easily. The problem comes when I am partially relaxed. I never
get too far since I always end up falling asleep. Is this a normal
starting reaction? Do most beginners have this trouble? Also, what
can be done to solve this problem? I assumed that suince everyone
always speaks of their OBE's occuring during sleep that one must
attempt the relaxation phase before going to sleep so that the mind
and body are prepared for the OBE when it occurs. Would it be okay
or even plausible to attempt the relaxation in the middle of the
day when the body is not tired and thus the possibility of accidentaly
falling asleep might diminish? Is the sleep state of the mind needed
to attain an OBE?
 SO MANY QUESTIONS, SO LITTLE BANDWIDTH!
                  Also, it is said by many on this group that there is
a tingling feeling in the body or perhaps a buzzing in the ears before
and OBE will take place. How long after relaxation (and with one tech-
nique a willing of the spirit from the physical body) does this occur?
Will it be noticable right off, or does it tend ot build up slowly?
  Well, I guess that's about all the questions I have at the moment.
If you are going to answer this post, please repost. Do not send me
mail. I have seen other such questions here and I'm sure there are
more people out there with them who just haven't asked yet. Thanks.

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From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: Fear of seperation ?
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:29:25 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <92245.163918SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu> <SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Well, so how does one go about overcoming the fear that one is going to
> achieve oobe ?
> 
> Kumar

One could apply occam's razor and assume that the experience is a mind/brain 
experience (dream) rather than a paranormal one.
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Subject: Re: On passing through physical objects
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:00:37 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <l9ii25INNsgr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, james@cadillac.Eng.Sun.COM 
writes: 
> Is this what other's have experienced?  Or am I just having a very bizarre, 
> physical dream?

all of my experiences so far have been initiated coming out of sleep.  (still
working on being able to induce them going into sleep).  i would say they are
projections but whether they can be classified as oobes i'm not sure.  in my
experiences, i am definitely conscious and have control over the second body,
but, as i posted before, the abilities i expect the second body to have are not
always perfectly functional.

Jude 
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:14:49 -0400 
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 1st

Last night I had my first oobe (that is, my first oobe in which I
actually knew what was going on and had at least some semblance of
control).  

some background:  Probably once or twice a month I have a "nightmare" in
which, although I am sure I am awake, I have a very vivid sense of
falling, almost twirling, downward, as if a hole had opened up in my
bed.  Remember the pentultimate scene in Nightmare on Elm St., well it
is sort of like that, but in my head.  I usually wake up screaming (it
is truly frightening) and for some minutes am what I can only describe
as "too afraid to move".  After having read "Beyond the Body"
(Blackmore? -- great book, no new-age hokum) and some of the postings
here, I thought that these might be the beginnings of an oobe and that
my fright disallowed it from going any further than it has. 

Last night, after having been awake (really awake, -- I went for a
piss), I began to have this same dream.  Instead of a panic-response,
however, I attempted to "open my eyes".  I put this in quotes because it
was more than just opening my eyes, rather it was something akin to an
overall sense of control.  What happened next was just incredible.  I
felt myself floating, hovering really, in the air.  I could make out the
bedroom, but some things seemed changed -- I cannot really explain it. 
Instead of being very dark, the whole room seemed cast in a brownish
glow -- like an old silent movie or something.  I attempted to move to a
wall (actually, just attempted to move in any direction) but could not. 
I seemed to be at a 45 degree angle; that is, I was not looking up at
the ceiling, but could see both the wall in front, the ceiling above,
and the door to the right.  I then wanted to see myself sleeping (I
think, to confirm this as not a dream) and began to feel myself rotate. 
I got about half-way around when I "whooshed" (really!) down and found
myself in my body, awake and fully alert.  Although I did not see myself
sleeping, I do not think I was dreaming (I know I was not dreaming). 
The whole thing lasted only about one or two minutes -- but was so very
incredible that I do not think I'll forget about it for a long time.

Andy


Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: in-body-experience
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:57:44 GMT
Organization: Information Services

In article <26AUG199214295221@summa.tamu.edu> wdb3926@summa.tamu.edu (BRUTON,
WILLIAM DANIEL) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.215037.26015@news.mentorg.com>, tom_repasky@mentorg.com
writes...
>> 
>>   {Stuff deleted}
>> 
>>Enjoy!
>>You can only die once.  And that has already occurred.  Or don't you remember
>>being born ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>Please explain.
>Dan
>
We all are descendents of ancient stars.  The "death" of these objects is part
of what and who we are (this is also true of many other objects.  Our inability
to "remember" is a side-effect of human birth.
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: OBE Newsgroup Name - CALL FOR VOTES
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:19:09 GMT

In <1992Aug25.164032.19551@gnosys.svle.ma.us> I wrote:

> ...So far, the tally stands at...

Oops.  I've just been informed that my attempt to follow mainstream practice
in its essential aspects has gone awry.  In particular, my posting of the
early returns is contrary to that practice, the fear being that doing so can
bias later results.  (However, as we all know, this kind of thing happens
all the time in U.S. national elections, especially since the polls close
at different times across the country, due to the fact of our having a
number of time zones.)

In any case, in deference to mainstream practice, I'll refrain from further
postings of intermediate results.  May the best newsgroup name win!  :-)

Oh, also, I wanted to thank Jude (jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu) for agreeing to
help tally votes.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
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