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From: snewstea@zeus (S.A. Newstead)
Subject: Re: forehand
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:00:48 GMT


Well, I'm not positive about what you mean when you talk about a closed
stance.  How can you balance yourself with your feet together, is what I'm
thinking.  Anyway, I have played for about 10 years now, and my forehand is
my most reliable 'killer'.  I am a right-hander, so if you're not, reverse
everything I say.

I think the first key to losing your wrist action (it will likely also lead to
health problems, though I'm no expect there) is to conciously start rotating
your entire upper body.  That's where the force is generated in the swing.
Your entire right shoulder needs to move about 45 degrees through the swing.
I normally plant my feet firmly, with the left about 4-5 inches ahead of the 
right so that the ball is hit squarely and a few inches in front of me (looking
in the direction of the net if you know what I mean).  This is when I'n not in
the air to hit the ball, of course.  But I won't go into that shot here...
When you are first learning to create your own forehand power, you might start
by simply taking a step into the ball with your left foot (for righties).  But
also be conscious about what your shoulders and upper body are doing, and 
making sure your feet are nicely planted and wide enough to give you good
stability.  Get someone to hit you some slow balls to the back court that you
won't have to run for so you can try to give them some pace.  The key to the
topspin is coming 'over' the ball.  The racket head is about 15-20 degress from
vertical and your swing is from low to high.  You can throw in a slight flick 
of the wrist, but this is not where most of your spin should come from.  It
sounds as though you might need to adjust your grip, so feel free to just try
rotating the racket in your hand after every ten shots or so, to see if it
feels better or worse.
Hope this helps.  If anything is unclear, let me know.
Good luck.
Woody.
The guy who STILL has no .sig....*sigh*
From: dklee@cs.umd.edu (Dennis Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: CHANG-IVANISEVIC RESULT
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:57:54 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In 3hr and 38 minutes, Michael Chang survived Goran Ivanisevic's fiery
power to win 6-7(3-7), 6-2, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3.  This was a very well played
match by Michael Chang, who refused to give up chasing after Goran's
rocket returns, and, many times played bravely by coming up to the net.

Surprisingly enough, Goran began to feel a little frustrated, and 
played very unintelligent tennis in the 2nd and 3rd sets.  In the end,
Goran killed himself with very sloppy serving (some 20+ double faults,
which was just slightly lower than the 25 aces he had) and not being
able to power back a consistent return of serve.

Credit must be given to Chang, who served an awfully high number of
service winners, by his standard.  He served 13 or more aces.  The last
game of the 5th set went to 8 deuces before Chang won the match on 
something like the 7th match point (he was up 40-15, then served a double 
fault). 

This is the first time I've watched Goran play isince the Wimbledon final
this year.  He displayed very poor gamesmanship by throwing his racket on
to the court several times.  He was finally penalized during the 8th
game of the fifth set when he was trying to break Chang's serve.

Regards,
>Dennis.
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From: j-nolan@uchicago.edu (John Nolan)
Subject: Tennis in Chicago
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:02:12 GMT

I know that the Slims will be in Chicago in February, and I *think* the men
will be here in March.  Does anyone out there know the dates of these 
tournaments and the place to go (call?) for ticket information?

Thanks in advance.

-john
From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Monica's Prime??
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:28:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec15.215754.29037@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.203757.11550@cs.wisc.edu> solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes:
>>    
>>    If other players did learn somebody's game - this is the game of Graf.
>>I honestly don't see any way for her to climb back to #1.
>
>Graf has been trying to improve her game, but it is more like two stepss
>forward and one step backward. What really prevents her from getting
>better results, IMO, is her shoulder injury. It seems to be a permanent
>problem that will re-appear once in a while.
>
>>    As for Minica, the only consistently effective trick against her
>>is a drop short or whatever will force her to go to the net. One
>>can win some points this way, but this doesn't seem to be enough to win 
>>the match.
>
>There are a number of ways to beat Seles. Capriati beats her by
>matching power with power. Of course, Capriati simply doesn't have
>the consistency and accuracy to achieve that more than just once in
>a while. If you watch the Seles vs. Novotna match at the VS Championship,
>the low-bounce slice on fast surfaces especially to Seles' forehand side
>gives her lots of trouble. Seles needs the high bounce to play her
>two-handed ground strokes effectively. That was also the main reason
>why Seles lost so badly to Graf at Wimbledon. Of course, not too many
>players can exploit these weaknesses on any consistent bases at this
>point, but it is a matter of time that Seles' problem will appear.
>Remember just a few years ago Graf appeared to be so invincible and
>mentally tough?
>-- 
>-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135

   well, I agree to some extent. However :
Capriati beats Seles occasionally rather than consistently, so
this doesn't seem to be the way to go.
   Nobody likes to face low-bounce slice. but I believe it to be
basically a defensive shot and hope that it won't help the player
who tend to use it to often. Yes, it's really effective on grass.
but since very few events are played on grass, this won't bother 
Seles as far as her #1 ranking is concerned.
   Even when Graf dominated the game she had too many weak spots ,   
in my opinion , anyway. Her backhand  and her passing shots (from
both sides) deserve to be ranked #50 or so. Of course, she has
outstanding forehand, but when the player runs around to play forehand
all the time ,it (again, in my opinion) just ruins the harmony of tennis.
This should backfire, and I am glad it did.
Cheers,
Michael.
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From: mzedtwit@iiic.ethz.ch (Maximilian Joachim Paul Zedtwitz)
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:48:29 GMT

Byron Rakitzis writes:
>Maxi Zedtwitz writes:
>I don't know about the other players. It would be interesting to know, but 
>>their education is certainly irrelevant to their Tennis ability.
>
>Of course! But tennis players retire ~30 yrs old. What do you do after
>that?

Well, you could become a tennis coach, a sports reporter or a Davis Cup 
Captain :-). It really depends on how much money you made in your career, and 
what you do with it. Going to school after 20 years of a professional 
tennis career is not very likely.

Maxi
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From: mzedtwit@iiic.ethz.ch (Maximilian Joachim Paul Zedtwitz)
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:04:49 GMT

M.Liu writes:
>I wonder how many of the top players are high school grads.  Sounds like 
>Becker isn't, and Edberg, since he started on the tour at 16, probably dropped
>out of high school as well.  Agassi also didn't finish high school in Las
>Vegas.  Sampras, however, was going to Standford when he won the U.S.
>Open, so he must be one of the more educated.
>
>Education aside, the players who are considered cerebral include: McEnroe,
>Becker, Chang, & Hlasek, on the men's side.  Wilander was also supposed to
>be intellectual.

I don't think Becker is a "drop-out". It's just that mandatory school
normally ends at around age 14 or 15, after nine years of education. 

To further complicate the situation, European school system varies from country 
to country and from state to state. What you do after mandatory education 
is open to you. Most go for an apprentice ship, and some attend a university 
preparation school called "Gymnasium", which is considered equivalent to the l
ast years of High School and the first two years of College. They graduate 
from it with something called "Abitur", "Matura" or "Baccalaureat" - the 
Bachelor degree.


Therefore, I wouldn't say Becker (and others) is a "drop-outs". He just chose 
not to go to school any more. In fact, most European Tennis professionals 
did so. The few exceptions I now are Micheal Stich (German Abitur) and Jakob 
Hlasek (Swiss Matura). Marc Rosset quit school (Gymnasium) a few months 
before graduating. A silly thing to do in my point of view, but that was 
just after his Geneva Open title, and he sure makes more money now than 
any of his former fellow students.

I don't know about the other players. It would be interesting to know, but 
their education is certainly irrelevant to their Tennis ability.

Maxi
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From: manuvir@cs.wisc.edu (Manuvir Das)
Subject: RE: McEnroe/Tatum O'Neal
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:21:07 GMT

In article <18DEC92.02090723@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> In a previous article, wendyg@skeptic.demon.co.uk ("Wendy M. Grossman") wrote:
|> >The London Evening Standard today reported that they are splitting up.
|> > 
|> Pardon my asking, but is the LES a respected publication? UK tabloids
|> have become somewhat legendary, especially in tennis circles.
|> 
|> -		
|> Bart "Webb" Tilney	
|> Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu

"People" reported it too, they had them on the cover. It's (for me at least)
the most depressing event in Tennis since Ivan Lendl lost that Wimbeldon
final to Pat Cash.

Manuvir
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From: frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: grunting rule
Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:49:07 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division


In article <BzB4AI.9Gt@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, httse@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Herman T. Tse U.S.M.) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.2220.6701@dosgate>, "john russell" <john.russell@canrem.com> writes:
> > It's against the rules to do anything that distracts your opponent
> > _during the point_.  So you can hit a winner and shout "YES!", wave your
> > arms, etc. afterwards, but not make loud noises or distracting movements
> > while the ball is in play.  If Monica can grunt, her opponents can try
> > primal scream therapy during points to help them relax and play better
> > :-)
> 
> Does anyone have the exact wording of the rules?
> I can understand understand that it  would be wrong 
> if Monica screams or grunts while her opponent is
> making a shot...but when she herself is hitting the ball??
> For example, if I return a shot and as my opponent is about to hit
> the ball I yell "JINX!!" then I can understand how that is distracting :->
> 
> There must be explicit or implicit exclusions to the "distract your opponent"
> clause in the rules.
> 
> Herm
> httse@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
>

Judging from my own reaction, it's not just a distraction when hitting
the ball.  It's the pent up aggravation and anger that is building up
over time.  That is the real factor.  If you can ignore obnoxious
behavior, noises, etc., well good for you.  Some of us are perhaps more
susceptible to those distractions to the point that it may affect our
concentration and hence the quality of our game.

If the opponents were given the choice, what would you think that would
be?  It could be argued that opponents might demand no grunting in order
to gain an advantage.  But by the same token one cannot assume that
grunting does not provide an advantage to Seles.

So, it think that in the interest of fairness, grunting should be
disallowed, and even penalized if it persists after a player complains. 
This should be the end of the discussion.  Your advantage may be my
disadvantage; your comfort may infringe on my own, etc.

-- 

         DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
            solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
       F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis,ba.forsale
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Yamaha EOS for sale
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:11:12 GMT

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Make me an offer.

t.
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:23:50
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<0J7VVB1w165w@knex.Gwinnett.COM> <18432@borg.cs.unc.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com
In-reply-to: ponamgi@cs.unc.edu's message of 17 Dec 92 18:04:33 GMT

In article <18432@borg.cs.unc.edu> ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi) writes:


   Sampras did **NOT** play college tennis at Stanfurd.  He didn't complete
   high school last time I heard.  There was an interesting article in the
   November issue of Tennis that talked about this problem.  They advocate
   kids completing their high-school before being allowed in the professional
   tournaments -- a completely sane idea IMHO.

IMHO it is a silly idea.  First, like the NFL [and NBA] not being able to
enforce their rules re: college graduation, much to the chagrin of the
money making sports programs in college, I doubt very much if such a rule
could be enforced.  Second, and much more importantly, who are you
protecting from what.  Now I am the biggest bleeding heart LIBERAL in the
world.  [yes I said the L word]  And, I think some people should be
protected from exploitation.  But, a fourteen year-old good enough to play
in a professional tournament, who wants to test him/herself should.  If
(s)he burns out at 18, that's the risks.  

I also believe in education. ;-)

 
jim taylor Thinking Machines Corp  Cambridge MA 02139
 
Asst Tennis and Squash Coach MIT
From: stadt@cs.utwente.nl (Richard van de Stadt)
Subject: Re: When the ball hit the body
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:15:09 GMT

In article <Bz9JJx.28AF@austin.ibm.com>, frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes:
|> 
|> In article <88749@bcsaic.boeing.com>, huang@bcsaic.boeing.com (Mingyuh Huang) writes:
|> > A question here regarding the rules, maybe somebody can help me. 
|> > 
|> > It happened in a double game last weekend. Over a quick net
|> > exchange, I hit the ball on my opponent's knee (sorry, :-). The ball bounced
|> > back to our side and went off the court. I thought I won the point because
|> > the moment the ball touches the body the point is over. 
|> > 
|> > The interesting thing was both my opponents argued that because the body (of
|> > the person who got hit) was in the motion of hitting the ball therefore,
|> > according to the rules, they should get the point.
|> 
|> No, what you can't hit (or even touch) is the net.  The only
|> restriction, I think, is that the ball bounces at most once in play
|> (within the court's boundaries), how you choose to return it is your
|> choice.  You can use your knee, head, baseball bat, frying pan, etc.,
|> without making one iota of difference.  You may not get many balls
|> returned using something other than a tennis racket, but the
|> alternatives are legal.

So, in your opinion, I may also catch the ball (with my hand of course) and throw
it down anywhere in the opponent's field? In this way I only touch the ball once
(though it's quite a long touch). I don't think I agree with you.
 

Richard.
-- 
R.R. van de Stadt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ stadt@cs.utwente.nl
Usually I use vi instead of xedit^[:wq
From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Grand Slam cup - choice of surface
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:07:06 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

In article <1992Dec14.034935.6272@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

>since that's what most surfaces indoors are.   In addition, they probably
>want to favor their own players, namely Stich and Becker who are more
>proficient fast court players.   
>
>    Name the top players, and many of them are fast court players.   So,
>it might stand to reason that they choose a fast court to accomadate these
>players.
>
>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu

No offense but by your reasoning players who do well in Wimbeldon (grass)
and French (clay) should not be invited to the Grand Slam cup.
---
arijit
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: group
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:35:59 GMT

In article <kleng.2sru@terapin.com> kleng@terapin.com (Keith Leung) writes:
>
>      What do you guys think of alt.sports.tennis.scores?  Sometimes I just
>want to see the scores of the tournaments, and don't have time for comments.

Why do we need a separate group just for scores? Except during
Grand Slam tournaments, we rarely get more than a few (two or three) 
articles for scores per day. In these days when there are no (major)
tournaments, we get none at all. That kind of traffic hardly
justifies a separate group.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: zhangl@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: Funny Coincidence
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:15:42 GMT

More coincidences:
1) Stich said he was watching Becker's first victory at Wimbledon in 1985 from
TV;
2) Stich got into German Davis Cup in 1990 as a result of Becker's pull out in
that year. He gained his first carreer title early last year after Becker's
returned to Davis Cup squad. He beat Edberg & Becker to win Wimbledon that
summer. Becker puuled out again from Davis Cup due to injury, and then beat him
in Frankfurt;
3) Stich beat Becker badly in this year's German Open, after they teamed up as
Olympic double pair, but then losing to Edberg to give away the glory
of being the first German to win German Open since 1963.
From: ponamgi@cs.unc.edu (Krish Ponamgi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:04:33 GMT

In article <0J7VVB1w165w@knex.Gwinnett.COM>, gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar) writes:
|> M.Liu writes:
|>   >Vegas.  Sampras, however, was going to Standford when he won the U.S.
|>   >Open, so he must be one of the more educated.
|> 
|> Sampras in Stanford? Are you sure? He has been playing tennis full time
|> since 14 or something. I know his sister played college tennis. But this
|> is the first time I hear about Pete ever being in college.
|> 
|> GeSS
|> --
|> Gess Shankar      |<><>|Internet: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM                |<><>|
|> Knowledge Exchange|<><>|{rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!knex!gess|<><>|


Sampras did **NOT** play college tennis at Stanfurd.  He didn't complete
high school last time I heard.  There was an interesting article in the
November issue of Tennis that talked about this problem.  They advocate
kids completing their high-school before being allowed in the professional
tournaments -- a completely sane idea IMHO.

Predictions a la carte:

Austra. Open --    Stich vs. Becker with Stich

French Open  --    Agassi vs. Sampras with Agassi

Wimbledon    --    Goran vs. Stich with Goran

US Open      --    Courier vs. Agassi with Courier




---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Go Bears.
From: gt4855a@prism.gatech.EDU (David Zobel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: doubles tips ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:45:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hey tennis lovers, I need some advice.  I've been playing tennis for a few 
years recreationally and have just this year joined an ALTA team.  The team
is level C4.  Anyway, I've mainly played singles all this time, and have
VERY limited doubles experience.  I would GREATLY appreciate any doubles advice,
especially where to stand on the court at what times.  For example, if my
partner hits a good serve and comes in to the net, should I drop back ?
More importantly, where at the net should I play, and when should I move
more towards the middle?  Anyway, any help is great.  Just a few facts about
me.  I have a decent, but inconsistent serve.  I have a good, and vastly
improved forehand, my backhand is weak and inconsistent, and my net play is
inexperienced.  Basically you typical weekend warrior who knows how to put
top-spin and slice on his forehand, but not much else.  Thanks in advance.
-- 
Name           : David "Z-Man" Zobel   Call-Sign: gt4855a@prism.gatech.edu
Pre-occupation : Computer Science student at Georgia Tech
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                  way that bricks don't" -D. Adams
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Gorman remains as US Davis Cup captain
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:10:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.131155.64756@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
>
>>The US will begin to defend its title in March, 1993 on the grass
>>court at Kooyong in Australia. That is a very tough first round tie
>>since the US doesn't have very many good grass court players, despite
>>the fact that Agassi won Wimbledon last year. Moreover, it'll be
>>hard to convince the top players to travel "down under" to play
>>on grass in the middle of the spring hard/clay season.

>Tough task for Gorman to convince someone to play.  Wouldn't a loss put the US
>back into zone competition like what happened when the US lost to Paraguay a
>few years back?

Tough task for Gorman indeed, but I guess it is a little too soon
to worry about the US losing next year. (Ok, ok, for those "down under,"
I am speaking from the US point of view.) Just for the sake of argument,
should the US lose in the first round, I think they need to play some
"consolation tie," and a win will put the US back on the main draw for
1994. However, the loser of the consolation tie will drop into zone
competition. :-(

Recall that Germany was upset in Brazil in the first round this year.
They played a consolation tie with Belgium back in September. Becker
and Stich won all five matches, and Germany remains on the main draw.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
From: kleng@terapin.com (Keith Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Who plays WPS 4.5si 95"
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:24:10 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <Bz1qpv.pt@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, davidj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (David
J. Wong) writes:
>Hello Tennis Folks,
>
>Please tell me. Who on the pro tour plays with the Wilson Pro-Staff
>4.5si, 95" Racquet.?.
>
>Curious and interested in purchasing same.
>
>Thanks much
>
>Dave.
>

     I remember Manuela Maleeva a while back.  Don't know if she still does?