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From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: NFL Merchandise
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:46:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.155219.22499@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>This is for all whacko NFL fans who can not get enough NFL
>merchandise with their teams' logo on it. 
>
>Top Teams in Sales (according to the SF Chronicle (1/6/92 and
>NFL Properties):
>
>3) Washington Redskins


No surprise to me that the Skins are #3. The Skins paraphernalia and clothing
I noticed on my recent visit to DC was everywhere! The homeless beggars at
the entrance to the Metro even expressed interest in the Skins! Washington
is a city that truly loves its football team.

Bruce Smith


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro,misc.test
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:34 GMT

rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:

>In article <schnitzi.726847344@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>>
>>Prove it, or admit you are a liar.  I predicted the Cowboys would
>>win (but was rooting for the Eagles all the way).  I even posted a
>>question asking if anyone else was predicting their favorite team
>>would lose.  Get your facts straight, or hit 'U'.

>I know that all season long you were one of the biggest Philly woofers
>on the net.  You also took plenty of cheap shots at the Cowboys.  If
>this weren't true, you wouldn't have been so touchy about my unflattering
>Eagle comments.  If you didn't want to hear my review of the game, or
>my opinions of your team, you can pass on it.

I've posted maybe five or six letters here, all within the past month
or so.  I really think you have me confused with my brother, who posts
here frequently.  And he didn't woof, either.  In any case you're full
of shit.

>>I await your apology.

I still do, but I don't expect it anymore.

>No.  I don't make bold, boastful statements about what my team is
>going to do to an upcoming opponent, that's the difference, which
>you fail to see.  But, even if you can't differentiate between the
>two, and do think I talk trash like you Eagle fans, whatsa matter,
>you can dish it out but you can't take it?

Trash-talking is trash-talking, whether it was before or after the
game.  If you have something insightful to say, then say it.  And
since I didn't woof, your accusations are foundless.

>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,misc.test

And enjoy the fan mail.

--mark
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Two "West Coast" Teams in the Conference Title Game ...
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:24:47 GMT


>In article 5196@equinox.unr.edu,  schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:

>>Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>The pairings for next week would be:
>>Buffalo at San Diego
>>San Francisco hosts game.
>>
>>Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>>coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>>time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>>to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>>history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
>> Or what does youse think?

No way is either game going to start at 10AM PST.  I've never heard
of an NFL game starting so early at local time.  Much more likely is
that one game will start at 1PM PST and the other at 4PM.  4PM is
still plenty early to pull in the East Coast viewers (especially for
a title game involving an east team).

Of course, this still leaves the issue of *which* team gets the 4PM 
starting time.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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Subject: Jim Kelly?
From: gcsbagc@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:22:33 ACST
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

Can anyone tell me whether Jim Kelly will play again this year?  We don't get a lot
of NFL coverage in this part of the world.  Thanks.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:14:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <103612@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja) writes:
>All you randall bashers go take a hike. He was composed even when
>the team was down 20-7 and look what happens .. A PLAYOFF VICTORY!!!

>All you dallas fans must be sweating han!!!

Why would we be sweating?  This is the same quarterback who got benched for
a game and a half the last time he stepped into Texas Stadium.  I'd much
rather play the Eagles than the Saints (although, given my druthers, I would
have taken the Vikings over either one).

The Saints managed 20 points before their offense gave out; and the Cowboys
have a much better offense than they do.  This game is going to be similar
to the last -- the Eagles are there for a while, but eventually just get
pounded into submission.

The Eagles have won five in a row, but the Cowboys have had two dominating
wins in a row, too, over the Falcons and the Bears.  Against Atlanta, the
offense did whatever the heck it wanted; against Chicago, the defense was
spectacular, holding them to 92 total yards (when their previous season-low
was 240-something).  The offense, while it was on the field, was also great.
Add to that the two weeks of rest, the Eagles' lack of road success this year,
and 72,000 fans, and you have the Eagles' playoff run ending next week.

Daniel Welch

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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Reeves to Houston!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:07:57 GMT

A very hot rumor in Denver is that Dan Reeves will be the head coach for the
Houston Oilers next year. 

He may not win the Super Bowl with the Oilers but at least they'll get there.

Seriously, can anyone in the Huston area confirm this rumor?

pmichals
From: gilmer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (John R. Gilmer)
Subject: Re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Summary: Offense not the problem
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:42:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.055821.22307@leland.Stanford.EDU>, daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
> Though this game was a rather extreme case, the key to the Bills victory
> was what detractors of the run-and-shoot have been saying all along--
> without a tight end, a team cannot have a running game to grind out
> the clock while protecting a lead.  It is a fundamental, and probably
> fatal, flaw of the run-and-shoot.
> 
(lines deleted)

I do not beleive that time of possession is a major problem with the
run-and-shoot, last year I beleive the oilers were at or near the top of
the league in t.o.p., and at the end of the first half of the game I beleive
the Oilers had time of possession by a 3-1 margin.

> 
> The Oilers have gambled, and it appears that they have lost that 
> gamble.  The run-and-shoot was a quick fix.  The quick fix
> has failed.  The Oilers seem incapable now of winning a big game
> in the cold wet weather of an outdoor stadium, a problem which
> tends to especially plague teams which play in a domed stadium.
> They also do not have the consistency to win enough games at home
> to earn home field advantage throughout the playoffs, the Oilers
> losing to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Green Bay at home this year.
> 
2 weeks ago, Houston won at Cleveland, outdoors, big game, and adverse
conditions on the field.  I do agree that they are not currently consistent
enough to get the home field advantage.


Very very poor defense on the part of Houston, and 3 bad calls on the part
of the refs helped the Bills come away with this one.  1) Beebe going out of
bounds and back in for the TD.  2) The ref calling the Buffalo receiver(Beebe?) down before the Gray slapped the ball out on what was clearly a fumble.  3) The
no call by the refs as Talley is riding Givens - clearly pass interference.

IMHO, the problem with the Oilers in this game was the defense going to
sleep(comatose(sp?)) in the 2nd half, not the run-and-shoot offense.  This
game is yet ANOTHER reason that some modified form of instant replay should
be brought back.

John Gilmer
Arizona State University
gilmer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who's Hamish?!?!
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:42:22 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA

	I'm relatively new to the internet system and to this newsgroup, 
but I can already see who the real idiots are that post really stupid messages
within this category.  Who the hell is this Hamish guy?  Some dejected high
school washout soccer player that obviously didn't amount to anything but
a whining little 110 pound geek that doesn't know the first thing about the
greatest game in the world?  He cuts down the sport of football, but on the
same hand is very enthralled with reading about what's going on in the 
professional ranks.  Soccer is no doubt a very competitive game, but let's
take a look at reality...IT WILL NEVER MAKE IT IN THE USA!!!  Football is
king, that's why the Europeans want it, that's why the Japanese want it, 
that's why the Germans want it and so on.
	Hamish, as a person who looks at life in the broad, common-sense
spectrum, here's a quarter, go and buy yourself a clue so you can figure
out what's really going on.  Leave the football section in this network alone,
and let us all have a break from the constant war between football and 
soccer players, it's really getting boring.

--John--
wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:43:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.173352.18257@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.191522.2505@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3
>>
>>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>>Does anyone want a play by play?
>>
>
>I love it!  A post that rivals the infamous "Dewey Wins!!" headline
>of 1951.  :-)
>--
So did I!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MOST OUTRAGEOUS MADDENISM YET
Keywords: madden, football
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:00:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1993Jan8.234946.10148@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>  THE BLIMP COMMENT
>
>  It's a regular season game during the 1991 season, and the Goodyear
>  blimp makes an appearance at the game. Well, the other announcer
>  happens to comment about how the blimp is giving great shots of the
>  game. Well, Madden in all his stupidity, boldly comments, "Ya know,
>  instead of the guys who run that thing staying in the little part
>  of the blimp, why don't they use ALL of that space above them? Put
>  in a living room and other things". What a totally stupid comment!
>  
>  Everyone knows that's where the helium is! duh! stick to football! :)

Try looking up the word 'sarcasm'.  It might help you understand Madden, unless
you're terminally without a sense of humor.

George Lambert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:59:22 GMT

In article <C0E6y9.225@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.004630.15086@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>In article <4JAN199313354112@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com> rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J) writes:
>>> The Redskins will beat the 9ers this week!  There is no coach
>>> in the game like Joe Gibbs.
>>>
>>
>>There is no coach like George Seifert, no coach like Dennis Green,
>>no coach like Levy, no coach like ........! Hey, they are all
>>unique in their own right. [ stuff deleted  ]
>>-- 
>
>First of all, Gibbs was not coaching the Skins until the 1980's.
>
>Second, there have been NONE BETTER than the Redskins since the 80's.
>(Yes, the 49ers are also at that level, but you cannot convince me
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that they have been better.  Denver has been a fine team over those
>years as well).
>
Then I won't even try! :-)

>Third, the reason for the success of the Redskins has been more
>because of Gibbs than any other team/coach combination.  
>
Again, your mind is made up, so no use for me to state Seifert's
and former Coach Walsh's accomplishments.
>
>As for your comment that SF and Wash have "two of the best QB's 
>in the NFL", do you think any SF player would be willing to 
>swap QB for this weeks game?  San Fran has a great QB; Washington
>does not.
>
Your rationale has me confused???? Do you think the Cowboys or
Eagles would want to trade for Young for the playoffs. I don't
think so. Again, your mind is made up that Washington does not
have a great QB. BTW, their QB did win the SB MVP didn't her?

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Whose fans are most frustrated?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:22:20 GMT

In article <16B4DDF49.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> istre@ricevm1.rice.edu writes:
>I would like to cast my vote for the fans who have suffered the most. I am
>talking about their team having high expectations only to falter in the
>end. I will call this the "Most Frustrated Fans" award.
>
>The nominees are:
>
>1): Denver Broncos fans - The Broncos have been to the playoffs countless
>2): Minnesota Vkings fans - Same as Denver. At least, they had a chance in
>3): Cleveland Browns fans - Numerous AFC title game appearances only to have
>4): Buffalo Bills fans - Won AFC East every year for last five years and 2
>5): Houston Oilers fans - Nine playoff appearances since 1978 but only 4

>And the winner is ---- you guessed it, Houston Oilers fans. And yes, you
>guessed it, I am an Oilers fan. What else can you say when your team has
>made the playoffs six years in a row without a least making it to the
>title game at least once. At least the Broncos, Vikings, and Bills have
>made it to the Super Bowl and the Browns have made it to the title game.
>
>OK, I apologize, After all, I am only venting off some 20 years of play-
>off anger and frustration.


I would include Green Bay on this list as well, even though I think I agree 
with you on the winner.  Granted, the teams you have chosen all were succussful
and never won the Super Bowl.  I think that 25 years of nothing but sorry draft
picks, one division title (20 years ago), and two playoff appearances count for
something.  I also remember several 8-8 seasons where 9-7 would have won them 
the division.

Wait till next year.

Paul
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Eagles finally win one
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:38:41 GMT

In article <1idqofINNomm@aludra.usc.edu> tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>Last Sunday will be one day I will treasure for a long time. Being a fanatic
>Eagles fan and having watched them go down year after year in the playoffs, 
>I almost could not believe what I saw. To actually come back from behind to
>beat the Saints in the Superdome. Wow. I still couldn't believe it. I am 
>actually more in shock over the Eagles' win than the Bills'.
>
>Anyway, the Eagles showed their "secret weapon" in the Saints game: Heath 
>Sherman. He was totally unstoppable in the second half. 
>
>I think now that the Eagles finally got this "not being able to win in the
>playoffs" monkey of their backs, they will go all the way. They must have
>gained an incredible amount of confidence with this win, and I'm sure they will
>go into Dallas without any fear at all.
>
>I just hope I can catch a glimpse of Randall when he comes here to Pasadena...
>
Yeah..that's right...He said that he was fond of watching the Cowboys in action.
Didn't think he would fly out to Pasadena to watch them play.  :-)

Guess who?


-- 
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Reich DOES it again
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams) writes:

 >        Frank Reick recreated one of the moments many QBs dream of doing.
 >In 1984 Maryland was trailing Miami 31-0 in the Sun bowl.  Frank Reich
 >brought us back to win the game 42-40 in one of the biggest comebacks in
 >college football history.  Now he did it again only for the second time, but
 >now in a NFL game.

Isn't the Miami comeback the greatest comeback in college football history?


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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: metv@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions????? (Sleepers are Back)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:53:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

All Sleepers that made to the playoff won last weekend.  The Packs didn't
make the playoff like I hope they would; but they have a nice winning streak.
Look for them next year to be in playoff. The Skins made it and hope to defend 
their champion.  Here is my thought and prediction for next weekend. 

Redskins -  Joe Gibbs won the chess match on the game against the Vikes.  He
is very intelligent coach.  Next against the 49ers, this game will be difficult
for the Skins to win.  Against Young, Rice, Watters and the whole Niners; Gibbs
has to come up with another brilliant plays and hope someone will step up and
play well.  I hope Rypien will be the player who will be hot this weekend.  If
Rypien is cold or so-so, Skins will have slim chance because they need score
alot of points against the Niners.  If Skins are ahead in the first half, they
might win the game; but if the Niners are ahead, forget it. 

Eagles - Pretty impressive against the Saints.  Cunningham look very good 
throwing the ball and the defense look like they are in the top form.  They
have a good chance against the Cowboys.  The Eagles defense have to win this
game.  If they can cause the Cowboys to turnover the balls more than two and
keep pressure on Aikman, they will win the game.  What about Emmitt Smith ?
He will have a good game, but he can not do it alone.

Chargers - They will not have problem wining over the Dolphins.  Their defense
will stop Marino and the Dolphins WRs.  I heard Bernestine is back; so the 
Chargers will control the Time of Possession more.

Another game is the Bills and the Steelers.  I pick Steelers to win this one.
With Kelly is out and O'Donnell is back, the Steelers should win. But if
O'Donnell is hurt in the game, the Bills will advance. 

Metro.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen)
Subject: Re: Miami vs. Lightning Bolts
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:43:08 GMT

satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>Hi,

>I will be in the Miami area on business this weekend.  Is there  ANY chance
>I can get tickets for the playoff game?? Is it going to cost me an arm and
>a leg (I am used to paying face value for Eagle games so anything over $100
>or so is out of my reach)?  Am I better off just tuning it in?

As of this morning there were still around 5000 left.

Ted
From: robc@cs.pitt.edu (Rob Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:00:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1993Jan8.222545.26280@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pws2n@vision1.ee.Virginia.EDU (Philip Weaver Smith) writes:
>
>But remember a truly "champinoship" caliber teams would have put the
>Eagles away in the first half.  Come on, they were still in it at half
>time when they only managed three first downs.  If the opposition would
>have been the Skins or the 9ers say, the Eagles would have left at
>halftime.

   Actually the Skins and 49ers did dominate the Eagles this season, and
 the result was a 16-12 Skins win and a 20-14 49ers win. I think the key
 factor is that all three teams used a short passing attack against the
 Eagles which allowed them to move the ball effectively except when they
 got into the red zone where Eagle defenders had less ground to cover.

 Notice the fact that the Eagles kept Emmit Smith basically under control
 in the first half of the second game and Dallas only managed three points.
 When Emmit started breaking loose in the second half, Dallas started
 putting touchdowns on the board.  If Dallas doesn't have both dimensions
 of their offensive working in sync, it will be a close game no matter how
 many yards Dallas gains since they will have trouble putting it in the
 end zone against the Eagles D.

- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Running out the clock with the R&S
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:48:52 GMT

In article <1iahflINN779@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> tseng-neill@yale.edu (Neill Tseng) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.193436.18622@ncar.ucar.edu> hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond) writes:
>>
>>With the new rules the clock keeps running even on incomplete passes

I don't know if anyone else caught this, but the clock does NOT run
after an incomplete pass.  Ever.  It does get restarted when a player
goes out of bounds, except for the last 2 minutes of the first half,
and the last 5 minutes of the second half.  Does anyone know how this
works during overtime period(s)?


BTW, I am in agreement with many - the Oilers must find a way to
factor a true 7 man line into their game plan (hell, just get two
mediocre OLinemen, and put 80's on their jerseys).  The inability to
run the ball definitely cost them yesterday.  Of course, New Orleans
*can* (supposedly) run the ball, but the coaching staff was too
chicken to do it.  go figure ...


Mark
Go Dallas
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