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From: mcscs1gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Lets all go to IBROX!
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:28:02 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov7.013400.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.142914.1121@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1992Nov6.040323.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov5.141141.14455@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>> 	If money buys the best team, why did you lose to a crap side like
>> Dundee then???????????????????????????????????????
>> 4 million bucks to play with?, Easy, Get yourself a decent Pitch or Groundsman
>> 
>> Everytime I'm at Ibrox it looks like a ploughed field!!! At least playing the
>> ariel game is second nature to the Gers anyway!!!
>> Come to Tannadice Packed full with Arabs, with a great playing surface, and try
>> and play football the next time. Who knows it could open up a whole new
>> experience for you!!!!!!
>> Arab
>> 
> 
> 
> Should that not read Dundee Primary School ?  Does teacher know you're using
> the class computer ?
> To matters in hand, I seem to remember Rangers going to  Tannadice twice
> this season and winning 3-2 and 4-0.  It'll be a long time before United
> see Europe again which is sad.  Would you not agree there's been a distinct
> drop in quality at Tannadice in recent seasons ? Too many cheap conitental
> players bought in, who play a few games and then disappear  and for some reason
> Jim McLean seems unable to sign players from other Scottish clubs.  Once
> Duncan  Ferguson has served his time, he's on his way to Ibrox to join the
> rest of the ex-Utds there !!
>> 

  Lets' get things in order. The last time United signed a scottish player
  was Scott Crabbe from Hearts about two months ago.

  How can anyone who visits Ibrox talk about quality???? I dare you
  to mention any one any better than Miodrag Krivokapic, Victor Ferreya,
  Duncan Ferguson etc who get a regular game in your reserve team!

  Fergie is on a long term deal and only wants to play for United
  Besides, hes' a catholic! Amazing how MoJo went there in the
  first place.


  P.S.

	Once a blue nose always a bluenose! Every Utd Rangers match
        is just like the reserves playing against the sunday league outfit
        you call a team.

	You've still to get past Marsielle so unless you finish second in
        your group, don't say Rangers are a better European side than
	nited because your last run of any significance was in 1972

  Orange and Loyal
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: Asian Cup Final
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:26:58 GMT


First some additions to my earlier posting, then a reply to Kelvin Cheu:

Asian Cup
-=-=-=-=-

Champions			Japan
Fair-play trophy		Saudi Arabia
Best player			some chap from Japan
Golden Boot (top scorer)	some chap from Saudi Arabia

I'll dig out the names if anybody is interested, but do let me know soon before
I dispose of my newspaper.


> cheu@triton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>>, harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:
>|> Result of the Asian Cup final:
>|> 
>|> Final standings:
>|> 1	Japan
>|> 2	S Arabia
>|> 3	China
>|> 4	UAE
>|> 
>
>Does this mean that Japan has improved a lot over the last 2 years ?

Apparently so. In the last few days, Japan has also struck a deal with 
Franz Beckenbauer (spelling?) to manage their professional league. Japan
is determined to bid for the 2002 World Cup and they want to get their
soccer up to World Class first. 
(Japan has NEVER qualified for the World Cup so far)
(Neither have a lot of other countries, but then, they are not bidding
for the World Cup)

>Poor China, still cannot "Get out of Asia - Match to the World (cup)".

Actually, China is still not out of the running for the World Cup. The
WC qualifiers for Asia only commence next year. 

>What happen to South Korea - did they lost to Thailand in the qualifying
>round ?

Their 'official' statement said something to the effect that they are saving
themselves for the World Cup qualifiers and only sent a second string team
to the Asian Cup qualifiers (hence the defeat to Thailand). 
(Don't ask me to make sense out of that statement! I'm just posting what I
read!! :-))


> And Indonesia - they have Russian coach and were ambious to
>making it to WC 94 ?

Well, they are still not out yet. (Refer to China above).


Cheers,
	Harin
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From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: YOU are the ref!
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:04:04 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov2.162008.204@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct28.160607.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>YOU are the ref !
>>
>>It's a cup final involving two top Scottish clubs, one Aberdeen and one
>>Rangers.
>>
>>In order to prevent a possible attacking move one of the Aberdeen defenders
>>makes a legitimate and telling *tackle* on the arrogant Rangers front man. 
>>Resultant from this tackle the ball rolls towards the Aberdeen goalie, Theo The
>>Donkey.  Theo, realising that this was certainly not a deliberate passback
>>picks up the ball.
>>
>>Do you ?
>>
>>A.	Think twice about the decision before awarding Glasgow Rangers an
>>indirect free kick, better after all not to incur the wrath of Mr. Murray and
>>his cohorts as they try and run the Scottish Game.
> 
> I suppose next you're going to suggest that the ref is a Mason and put
> private investigators on him. It was a passback. He could have played the
> ball out of the park but instead he played it back to Snelders obviously for
> him to punt up the park. Snelders of course picks it up. I think you should
> be addressing this to the apparent lack of common sense on the part of
> Snelders, the thinking mans Peter Grant. However, the point you missed though
> was that Snelders picked it up the six yard line yet the free kick had to be
> taken from a yard off the byline.....
> 
> As for running the Scottish game, you can hardly agree that it is a roaring
> success can you. Change is required but isn't your 19th Century think tank
> from the Celtic board room also invloved?
> 
> -- 
>  Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
>  Spider Systems Limited     
>  Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
>  Scotland                   

Do you think we care? I for one hate the Gers' because they let Dundee beat
them 4-3 but then crushed United 4-0!!!!   Difference? Dundee were allowed
to field their full team, United had to put up with a conspiricy of reffing
which left them with only three fit strikers!! no wonder we couldn't score!

Thought for the day......

If McCoist got seriously injured, what odds for Rangers missing out on
the European Cup?
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic & Bulbs!
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:30:46 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.124020.8766@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>> From the Daily Record, 5/11/92:
>> 
>> "FOR IT'S A SECOND-HAND OLD TEAM TO PLAY FOR"
 
[2nd hand lightbulbs from Hampden being bought by Celtic]
 
>> It could only be Celtic!
 
>> Scott

>Does this beg the question, "How many Celtic Directors does it take to change a
>lightbulb?"?  All suggestions welcome.

>How about,
>"An announcement will be made in the next few weeks."
>Followed by
>"An announcement will be made in January."
>Followed by
>"We hope to announce the details of this by the end of the current season."
>Followed by
>"The Bored will announce their findings on the preliminary report of this
>matter early in the new season and a decision is likely to be made before the
>Taylor report deadline."

or..."No comment.."

Dave

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From: ender@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Ender_Wiggin)
Subject: Test Message
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:11:39 GMT
Organization: MCI Systems Engineering Colorado Springs, CO

Test Message.  If anybody outside the US gets this message could they please
reply.  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: Polska liga, round 15
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:46:15 GMT

michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

>Round 15 of Polish league (played on November 7th & 8th)
>========================================================
>[...]

Gdzie jest Lechia z Gdanska? Arka z Gdyni?

MB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: robbie@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au ()
Subject: "Foreign Legion"
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:49:14 GMT

I am interested in the successes of what I call foreign legion teams
in the UK in recent times. That is teams built up from a number of
rejects from other clubs.
As a Partick Thistle supporter, it is interesting to note that many
of the present side are discards from other clubs although on the
strength of the season so far, John Lambie has carefully selected the
players he wants and they are blending well at present.
Upon mentioning this to a colleague, he thought that the Aston Villa
championship side from the early eighties was a similar type of side.
Any comments?
Big money doesn't always buy success although Leeds did okay last
season.
Speaking of Aston Villa, would anyone suggest they have more than an
average number of discards in their present team? My guess, having
seen highlights of their win over Man United is they will give it
a good shake this season!

Robbie McDonald.

PS: Brown University sounds like a S**THOLE Sandy.
    You are obviously not there by choice.


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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Best Man Utd Manager ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:02:31 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <16896150A5.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
>Besides Sir Matt Busby, who was in a class of his own, who do fellow
>United fans out there think was/is the best manager that United had.
>The managers I have in mind are:
> 
>Tommy Docherty (FA Cup Runners up, FA Cup Winners - how can we ever forget)
>Dave Sexton    (FA Cup Runners up)
>Ron Atkinsson  (League Cup Runners Up, 2 FA Cup Winners)
>Alex Fergusson (League Cup Runners Up, League Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners,
>                Cup Winners Cup Winners, Super Cup Winners)

Well, for what my opinion on it's worth, I'd say Docherty and Atkinson are both
a long way above Sexton and Ferguson. The Doc and Ron both produced wonderful
and attractive sides, Graham Taylor is the new Dave Sexton, and despite the 
success in the last few years, Ferguson leaves a great deal to be desired.

Tim.
From: mcscs1gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Lets all go to IBROX!
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:35:18 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <27830@castle.ed.ac.uk>, efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
> mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
> es
> 
> 
>>	If money buys the best team, why did you lose to a crap side like
>>Dundee then???????????????????????????????????????
>>4 million bucks to play with?, Easy, Get yourself a decent Pitch or Groundsman
> 
>>Everytime I'm at Ibrox it looks like a ploughed field!!! At least playing the
>>ariel game is second nature to the Gers anyway!!!
>>Come to Tannadice Packed full with Arabs, with a great playing surface, and try
>>and play football the next time. Who knows it could open up a whole new
>>experience for you!!!!!!
>>Arab
> 
> Why did Dundee Utd lose to a crap side like Dundee?? And why did they
> get a 4-0 gubbing of Rangers at Tannadice. I don't know the last time
> you were at Ibrox, but next time try putting glasses on. As for Walter
> Smith being a crap manager who has changed nothing, just look at the
> team that is now playing, and you will find a fair number of Smith
> signings. And as for the style they play in you won't get too many
> Rangers fans complaining. As for tannadice being full of arabs I can't
> remember the last time.
> 
>                                   James
> 
> PS  I would particularly like to hear Jimmy Greaves comparing the merits
> of English and Scottish goalkeepers now.


Answers
1) With the help of the SFA(Fergie red-carded against St johnstone for 
getting up from a late tackle by Inglis(T.V. Evidence), suddenly he becomes
banned in time for the next Rangers game!!! Victor Ferreyras' provoked
assualt by Jim duffy. The man was only on for 15 minutes and he loses
it suddenly as if nothing had happened!!!!

2) No thanks my eyesights perfect but I don't know about yours!!!

3) what Smith signings? David robertson is a carthorse like McPherson
who never wanted to leave Ibrox anyway!!!

4) Try the game v Hibs!!!!!

Ibrox is never packed out to capacity and no wonder!!!!

Goram is English born so don't get carried away!!!!

Yours
Rabid Arab
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Alex "shit-4-brains" Ferguson
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:46:40 RSA

In article <1992Nov3.185903.13862@newshub.sdsu.edu>
dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster) writes:
 
>
>Talking about Fergie.... I was watching a Man U. game on the telly
>last week (a rare game of football here in the football wasteland
>of Ca.) and I noticed that there is a Ferguson playing for Man U.
>I think the commentator mentioned that he's the manager's son. For
>those in the know, is this player any good (he looked crap to me,
>but I didn't see much of him)? Is he worth his place in the team
>(like Clough Jr. at Forest), or is he in the team out of nepotism
>(like Bond Jr., once at Man C.)?
>
 
Other Man Utd fans also cant figure out what this wanker in doing in
the team. I think its just because DAD is in charge. Neil Webb has
fallen out of favour with Alex 'birdbrain' Ferguson. We have seen
a couple of games here in South Africa where the kid has not performed.
A think Alex Ferguson needs to be reminded that he belongs to Man Utd
and not Man Utd to him.
From: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:43:56 GMT
Reply-To: ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

In article <56807@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo) writes:
>Let's hope all this shit about Liverpool ends now ...
>Thanks Spartak. BTW, if all the Liverpool fans are like Denise (or worse),
>no wonder why they have been banned from Europe after Heysel ...


Yes, and after them bastards got us all all banned, they haven't even got
the decency to progress and try and earn England an extra UEFA place
or two. (No scouse in Europe, your property is now safe)

Anyway enough mindless abuse :-) Well done to Rangers. As a supporter
of English clubs in Europe, (as anyone else, I support my Country
teams progress however much you hate them at club level, well with
the exception of the red scouse who everyone hates:-) I was 
mildly disappointed with Leeds loosing, but I enjoyed the game. I disagree 
with the biast commentating though, Rangers were not lucky, they produced 
a very professional '2nd leg' performance. Away from home defending a slender
lead well, and hitting the opposition on the break. It reminded me
of my team a few years ago (alright many years ago :-). So good luck
to Rangers and may they join the list of illustrious British sides
who've won the number one trophy. (Celtic, Man Utd, Liverpool, 
Nottingham Forest & Aston Villa) 

Just my 2p's worth and yes I know my team are not setting the new
premier league alight (yet :-)   Going down, going down

Cheers - Ian

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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: English Fitba' Crisis
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:36:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.111508.3963@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott
Jackson) wrote:
> 
> The so called "best league in the World" can't produce teams that get past
> the second round of European competitions. Not one of their teams competing
> last night won a game, and they were all at home. Of course Leeds Utd. were
> beaten by the British Champions, who of course come from Scotland. Liverpool,
> well a 2-0 defeat at home does little for Souness and Sheffield Wednesday,
> well they're Gladys anyway so no excuses there. However, this so called
> "Premier League" consists of very average teams, most of which would struggle
> in the Scottish league.
> 
> "we're not in the habit of losing in our own midden" - Howard Wilkinson
> 
> Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton all tried but failed. We didn't!

Scott perhaps you can enlighten us as to the last time Rangers made it past
the first round of any European competition, let alone won the European
Cup. Rangers' performance is certainly admirable and I for one hope that
they go on to perform similarly well against the cream of Europe, but don't
go on with your fanatical drivel when Scotland's (Read "Rangers")
performance in Europe in the recent past has also bordered upon the
pathetic.

Unfortunately, the reds' performance this year is not "bordering" upon
pathetic, it undoubtedly is, but I don't have such a blinkered perspective
that I ignore the fact, (unlike Denise).

Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
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From: bernal@sanandreas.ecn.purdue.edu (Andres  Bernal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Colombia Nov. 8
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:53:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


From: EUGENIO CASTILLO SANTANA

Empezo la fiesta en el futbol Colombiano, ayer ser llevaron a cabo los
4 encuentros que clasifican a los 2 primeros de cada grupo para la gran final
donde saldran los 2 reprsentantes a la Copa libertadores de America;
estos son los resultados del dia de ayer :

     Grupo  B                                   |        Posiciones
                                                |
En Bogota   : Santa Fe  (2)  America   (2)      |  Nacional     2.25
En Medellin : Nacioanal (2)  Magdalena (1)      |  America      2.00
                                                |  Santa Fe     2.00
                                                |  U. Magdalena 0.50
      Proxima Fecha (Miercoles 11)              |
                                                |
En Santa Marta : U. Magdalena vs Santa Fe       |
En Cali        : America vs Nacional            |
                                                |
===============================================================================
                                                |
     Grupo A                                    |        Posiciones
                                                |  Cali          2.75
En Cali         : cali      (2)  Millonarios (0)|  Junior        2.75
EN Barranquilla : Junior    (3)  Bucaramanga (2)|  Millonarios   0.25
                                                |  Bucaramanga   0.00
      Proxima fecha (Miercoles 11)              |
                                                |
En Bogota       : Millonarios vs Junior         |
En Bucaramanga  : Bucaramanga vs Cali.          |
===============================================================================

Al Santafe le quitaron 2 penaltis, segun dicen con los periodistas.  El junior iba ganando 2-0, le empataron y finalmente metio el gol del triunfo.
From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: rec.sports.soccer.referee
Keywords: soccer referee
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:40:15 GMT
Organization: Cross Access Corp., Santa Clara, CA

For those of you who are interested in a newsgroup being established
for the discussion of soccer refereeing (and related discussion, such
as the laws, etc) I am including part of the requirements for having
a group set up - it needs sufficient volume of interested parties.
I have begun the formal process for requesting the group; however, if
there are not enough people interested as described below, it wont happen.
So if you are interested, pass the word along and keep checking here for
what progress is being made.
Carl Jones

3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might
   invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are received
   than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
   received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent 
   out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not met, the group should 
   not be created.
5) A proposal which has failed under point (3) above should not again be
   brought up for discussion until at least six months have passed from the
   close of the vote.  This limitation does not apply to proposals which never
   went to vote.


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From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: Celtic mismanagement (was:Amateur Productions)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:09:42 GMT

scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:

>From the Daily Record, 5/11/92:
>[stuff deleted]
>a run in Europe really providing the cream. The difference between us and
>Dortmund was Stephane Chapuisat. Teams in Scotland simply can't go out and
>buy a player of his quality.'"

IMHO this is a very dumb statement. Back in winter '90 Bayer Uerdingen's
manager Felix Magath managed to buy this player from Lausanne Sports
for only 1 mio DM - and Chapuisat was at that time leading the
Swiss league's scorers list and already started with the National team.
Celtic should be able to pay 350000 pounds for a player - they simply
do not invest in young, perspective players  - as German clubs have
been getting used to the last 5 years (when all the great stars
disappeared in Italy).

> Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424

Bye
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