From: rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: I'm God.
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:26:56 GMT
Organization: CERL-EE, Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <fTQ4nf9@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
|In article <70921@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
|rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|>In article <fTGg9M0@quack.sac.ca.us> 
|pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
|>|In article <70498@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
|>|rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
|>|>Agreed.  And we have Christianity spread thoughout the world.  It spread 
|>|>from Jerusalem out rather quickly.  Within a few days of Pentecost there
|>|>were 3,000 (Acts 2:41) and then 5,000 (Acts 4:4) believers within 
|>|>Jerusalem.  
|>|Huh? Are you confusing facts with myth? Christianity was a total dud
|>|amongst the Hellenistic Jews. It was in the crumbling remains of the
|>|Greco/Roman empire that Christianity found it's converts. Of course,
|>|"convert or die" is one offer that is hard to refuse.
|>Were the Hellenistic Jews the only Jews?  I think not.  On the day
|>of Pentecost, a big feast day, there were Jews from all over the region -
|>not just from Jerusalem.
|
|I think you are getting things confused, Pentecost is of course a
|Christian holiday thus unlikely that Jews would come from all over to
|attend. Shavuot on the other hand is something entirely different. You

How was it a Christian holiday in Acts 2?????????  It says the people
were in the house when the day of Pentecost came.  Why was Paul trying
to return to Jerusalem by Pentecost (Acts 20:16)?
Why were there God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven in
Jerusalem (Acts 2:5)?   

If you can suppress you gloating, what is the modern day equilvalent
(Christian or Jewish) term for Shavuot?

|Christians are always trying to steal other cultures holidays. You're
|not going to fool me with your Christian propaganda, but obviously you
|have already fooled yourself.

Is the Passover a Christian or Jewish holiday?  

|>|>Oh.  What is the volume of books we call the Bible that predicts and
|>|>confirms this one man Jesus the Christ as he was to come, was here,
|>|>and will come again?  I understand that's not enough.  
|>|Man? Did you say man? I thought Jesus was a God or Son of God or
|>|something like that. And the "New Testament" was written after the
|>|facts. Makes prediction rather easy, don't you think?
|>That's right he was a man, but he was God.  Don't get too excited
|>about your perception of Jesus being only a man, for he was the fullness
|>of God in human flesh.
|
|Oh, so Jesus was both a man and a God at the same time, and also
|sometimes a Son of God too, right? So, if Jesus could do it, does that

Correct.

|mean we can too? And what's all this pain and suffering and dying stuff,

We can be a child of God, but not God.

|this means nothing to God. If Jesus is a God then what is so special

Jesus is God not a God.

|about what He did? Any God can do that kind of stuff. The Goddess Kali

Because he was human, too.

|creates and destroys the Hawai'ian islands and is still active today on
|the Big island. Surely an active Goddess is better than a dead man-god?

Surely, a live resurrected God-man in an immortal body is better
than a Goddes who only creates and destroys some islands.  Jesus if
the creator and he sustains all things - visible and invisible.  He
is resposible for more than just some islands and he has conquered
death and has showed to us that there is life after death.

|>|What? Buddha acheived enlightenment, that is transcendence of death, yet
|>|he came back to play with the children. Once you are enlightened, you
|>|are beyond death. But, being a Jesus freak, this is all beyond you.
|>What is the after death, if one is enlightened as such and is beyond death?
|
|Richard, you ask ME this question? The best have all been humbled and I
|am not as enlightened as the best. If your God is truly transcendent
|then the answer will be there.

I agree :-) the answer is with my God, the Creator, The Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit.

|>It says "YOUR MEN".  Jesus was God and man.
|
|How can that be? I thought man and god were separate and yet you tell me
|that they are one and the same. Are you sure it is possible for a man to
|also be a God? That is a very pagan belief.

This is the mystery of Jesus the Christ - he was and his God in human flesh.

|>|>A afterlife is promised for all who follow Jesus.
|>|Hey, according to Christanity, everyone gets an after life. Even
|>|non-believers, what's the big deal? Personally, I can't see spending
|>|eteranity with a bunch of TV/fundy/EVILgelicals so the choice seems
|>|fairly obvious. If opposites attract then I'm on your side, if you know
|>|what I mean.
|>If you made it to heaven, regardless of you thoughts towared fundies,
|>you would be over that concern, for then we will know fully.
|
|Well, maybe we are both already there answering your question.
|Responding to t.r.m for eternity.
|
|>|>Jesus rose and proved
|>|>there was life beyond the grave and death had no more power over him nor
|>|>will it have power over those who believe, for we will overcome death
|>|>at the resurrection.
|>|Oh really, so you predict that you won't die? And where will you go when
|>|you die? The heavens? What like the moon? Outside of the universe? Even
|>|at the speed of light, the first Christians haven't yet left the
|>|universe. Where are you predicting yourself to go?
|>Ultimately, we will be here on earth (Rev 20-22), but before that
|>we will be with Jesus, but we are not told much about that.
|
|Not told much about that? Where are all the sure answers now? What good
|is a religion that doesn't answer the BIG questions? Are you telling me
|that Christians have no idea?

We have what I stated above.  I never said that we have been given
understanding about everything.  The Apostle Paul said we see through
a glass darkly, but then (in eternity) we will know as we are fully
known.  Somethings are for God and not for us to know - I believe we
will know them, but the time is not yet.

|>We do have a couple of stories.  One was his birth - how many other
|>people have such a documented birth????
|
|Oh please!

Oh please, WHAT?

|>|>They had them figured out.  Joseph was not the father.  Mary was the
|>|>mother.  The legal line came through Joseph, as Matthew presents it.
|>|>Matthew does not say Joseph was Jesus' father.  Luke gives the
|>|>male ancestorial line and so the blood line of Jesus through Mary to 
|>|>David -  Jesus was the son of each of those in Luke's geneology.  Both 
|>|>of them mention Joseph.
|>|Hmm, seems like kind of a screw up, don't you think?
|>Oh.  Could you elaborate?
|
|Unlikely, if you don't see it you don't see it.

As I've said before, I don't quickly follow your continued reference to what
I should have seen very well.  If you want a response, spell it out.

For Christ and His Kingdom,
Richard Pitts


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