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From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Air fare
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:24:06 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

Hello nettor:

   I want to go back Taiwan on December..... Who can tell me how much
money from UK ( London ) to Taiwan( Kaohsiung or Taipei ).... I also want
to buy a return ticket.............  Can you give my a price list....
Let me to choice......


   I will go back after 16th December.... from London to Taiwan (plus 
return ticket)


   OK!!! Thank you anyway!!!!



 Chin-Yu TSAI
c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk


PS. Can you tell me where I can buy ticket???? Phone number or.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: News 7/9/92
Organization: National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:19:32 GMT


US TO HOLD TALKS WITH CHINA OVER F-16 SALE

BEIJING -- The US State Department's top official for Asia will hold
talks with Chinese officials today in a bid to dampen Beijing's outrage
over President Bush's decision to sell advanced war-planes to Taiwan, US
official said yesterday.

A US Embassy spokeman said that Assistant Secretary of State for East
Asian and Pacific Affairs William Clark would "be here to discuss the
wide range of bilateral issues, including the President's decision to
sell the F-16s to Taiwan".

Mr. Clark is likely to meet Vice-Foreign Minister Liu Huaqiu, who
oversees relations with the US.  The trip will mark the first high-level
contact between Washington and Beijing since Mr. Bush announced last
Wednesday that he was overturning a decade of US policy and approving
the sale of 150 F-16 jets to Taipei.

The US has said that if no agreement is reached by Oct 10, up to US$3.9
billion of Chinese exports could be hit with punitive tariffs.

In China, Chinese media yesterday kept up outraged commentaries on the
planned sale, with personal attacks on Mr Bush and warnings that the
deal would destabilise relations across the Taiwan Strait.

Meanwhile, Taiwan has agreed to buy 60 Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets from
France at a discounted price of US$2.6 billion, the Taiwanese media
said.

The Mirage deal, if true, would be the second major fighter plane sale
to Taiwan in a week after the US F-16 sale.

-ooOoo-

US TRADE ACTION AGAINST CHINA CAN COST HK$35 Billion

HONGKONG -- US trade retaliation against China could cost HongKong up to
HK$35 billion in the first year if all items on a preliminary "hit list"
drawn up by Washington are slapped with punitive tariffs.

More than 16,000 jobs in HongKong could be lost and economic growth
would be slowed, government officials warned on Friday.

-ooOoo-

SEOUL TO ASK TAIPEI TO SET UP REP OFFICE

SEOUL -- South Korea will propose that Taiwan set up a non-governmental
representative office in Seoul now that diplomatic links have been
severed, according to the Yonhap news agency.

The proposal is expected to be made when a high-level private delegation
visits Taipei tomorrow.  

The representative office would be given a wide range of diplomatic
privileges, as reported by the news agency.

-ooOoo-

WEATHER

Taipei - 25/29 C - Clear
HonhKong - 30/33 C - Cloudy
Beijing - 18/28 C - Cloudy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: a joke, just a joke
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.043525.1148@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.193548.16837@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>>  Korea has already three major car-making company and another one has
>>>>  just started.  For taiwan, it was turned out to be impossible to build
>>>>  a car  they had to ride motercycle.  That is why there are many
>>>>  motorcycles in Taiwan.
>>>
>>>  Are you day dreaming? The Taiwanese government even worry about the lacking
>>>  of parking slots. As for the korean products, they give people the same
>>>  impression, cheap-price & worst-quality. There are NOTHING to be proud of.
>>>
>>
>>Then Taiwan may only produce high-price & no-quality cars.
>>Don't look down other people's achievement, don't look up too much on your
>>own achievement. Even talking about IC industry, Taiwan is in no comparison
>>with South Korea. Many people believe South Korea may become another Japan 
>>in the future, Taiwan is never on that track.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>Dastard Koreans,
>
>    Don't just argue without any evidence.  I have posted an article,
>    which talked about how POOR Korean cars are, referenced by Comsumer
>    Reports.  That's an evidence, how come there's nobody who dares to
>    beat it?  Why?  Because you're DASTARDS.
>
>Timothy Cheng -- A Guy from Taiwan
Tim:
Aren't you ashamed of your words? Act like an educated man. Be polite
if you expect others to respect you!  Grow up!
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
> 
>>If what Mr. Yang said is true --- CCP's crash brings major disorder
>>to mainland, why would Taiwanese choose to unify with a more messy mainland,
>>even though it's lousy enough now?
> 
>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
> 
>Ze Yang

The analogy is not right. North fought South to release slaves. But if mainland
fight Taiwan, they are to capture slaves. I wish mainland was as democratic as
Taiwan so that a unified China would be the best thing to do. When that is not
true, why not separate the two for a while? That is a problem of priority. If
you are so brave to attack Taiwan which will cause millions of casualties on 
each side and result in a ruined Taiwan, why aren't you brave enough to change your 
system in mainland so that both side of the straits will be happy to be united
someday.
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: BSR and WSR
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


When will the distinction between BSR and WSR be totally lifted?
IMO, that will be when WSR are willing to speak not only Mandarine
but also Holo(the biggest language goup in Taiwan) or Holo is
completely destroied, which has become more and more unlikely.
I am a BSR and my wife is a WSR. When I heard that some Taiwanese
Legislators speaking Holo in the conference, I was so excited. But, I
could feel she was kind of frightened in her subconciousness that
something has been changed against WSR's profit. Interesting, isn't it?
Don't be afraid, WSR brothers and sisters. Speaking Holo is a right thing
to do and it dosen't imply that BSR want to expel WSR. This story
in my family serves as one of the many proofs of my statement. 
What do you think?
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:58:17 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <Btwq0p.Dv6@multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
> In article <1992Aug30.210718.6155@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
> =I don't think so. The reason that a country must choose either PRC or ROC
> =is that both PRC and ROC claim that they are China. Since there is only one
> =China, there will be only one winner. If Taiwan can be something else, 
> =PRC can be China while Taiwan can be Taiwan. Two winners can exist at 
> =the same time. 
> 
> Yes, KMT's Mongolia, Tibet, and  Mainland  China  has  burned  in
> those  KMT  leaders'  bugheads.  They have been claiming that for
> over 40 years. It won't be easy to ask them to  drop  the  claim,
> but  it  would be easy just move those bugheads to the place they
> claim they own for over 40 years and never step their foot on.
> 
> So all the Taiwanese has to do is to move those people who  claim
> they  own  Mongolia to Mongolia, move those people who claim they
> own Tibet to tibet and move those people who claim they own Main-
> land  China  to  Mainland  China.  Then all Taiwanese can sit and
> watch KMT and CCP fight each other NOT in Taiwan.
> 

Based on the writing style of this guy, I am pretty sure we have a
phantom of Mr. Kailan Hwang.
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: Su-27s assigned to place not far from Taiwan
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:42:37 GMT

United News Sep.12, 1992
-----------------------------------
According to the report of Japanese Sankei Shinbun Sep.11,
One US high officer said the 26 Su-27 jets PRC bought from Russia were
recently assigned places to some air force base on the SouthEast mainland,
not far from Taiwan.
The officer also noticed, although this base is not located in Fujian
Province, it is not very far from Taiwan. He indicated that the threaten
from USSR is reduced since the collapse of it, but PRC is developing her
armaments activly. Not only buying high performance Sukhoi jets, owning
air-refueling planes, but also willing to buy a carrier. He emphasized
that the selling of F-16 is due to the military balance inthis aera. He
warned that it is possible that PRC will move troops South and form an
unusual bad situation to Taiwan.
------------------------------------
Head of Hualong business group, Weng Ta-ming, was under arrest in Sep.11

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12954 soc.culture.china:25000
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:57:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <Bu29EG.GIu@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>Sure, American always acts in her own interest and every other
>countries in this Earth do the same thing.
>Do you think China act in my own interest? And which country
>act in Yang's interest?

All governments will tend to act in their own interest.  Don't be
deluded into thinking that a government named "Republic of Taiwan"
will necessarily act in the interest of people living on Taiwan
anymore than a government named "Republic of China."
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 02:16:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <63780001@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>
>Surely you will like Formosa, it's a name given to Taiwan
>by your previous master.

I believe that is incorrect.  Portugal never occupied Taiwan.
  
Luc B
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why don't you stay ?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 15:02:51 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <14SEP199222514466@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
=
=Beijing entered UN after she was recognized by more than half of the
=UN members. However, before she entered UN, she was considered by UN
=the rebel of the KMT government. Again, the point is not what you
=think you are but what the others think you are.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=c.q.

OH! My God! Do you c.q. think you are a blood thirsty
student killer?
That's how other people think Chinese are.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Su-27s assigned to place not far from Taiwan
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:19:52 GMT

In article <14SEP92.14423747@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw> u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw writes:
>United News Sep.12, 1992
>-----------------------------------
>According to the report of Japanese Sankei Shinbun Sep.11,
>One US high officer said the 26 Su-27 jets PRC bought from Russia were
>recently assigned places to some air force base on the SouthEast mainland,
>not far from Taiwan.
>The officer also noticed, although this base is not located in Fujian
>Province, it is not very far from Taiwan. He indicated that the threaten
>from USSR is reduced since the collapse of it, but PRC is developing her
>armaments activly. Not only buying high performance Sukhoi jets, owning
>air-refueling planes, but also willing to buy a carrier. He emphasized
>that the selling of F-16 is due to the military balance inthis aera. He
>warned that it is possible that PRC will move troops South and form an
>unusual bad situation to Taiwan.
One more attemp to alienate Chinese across! Why did not the "One US high
officer" tell exact location? He could not, he did not know it!
>------------------------------------
>Head of Hualong business group, Weng Ta-ming, was under arrest in Sep.11
>
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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Long live ....Re: old Her[4] and Christine
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:44:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <BuJHIM.Iq@rlyeh.multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>Oh! I admire his smartness too. He used the rascism to invoke
>hatred to help the revolution.

Sun Yat-Sen didn't invent the anti-Manchu elements of the 1911
revolution.  That had been present throughout the nineteenth century.
What Dr. Sun did do was to tone down and ultimately remove that aspect
of the revolution.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13294 soc.culture.china:25479
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: BSR and WSR
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:59:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <BuJ81z.LI4@rlyeh.multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>For example, who causes ROC isolated from other country and
>who is continue to cause ROC's isolated diplomatic
>relation with other countries.

>This is certainly a crime being committed against the welfare
>of the people in the Taiwan.

Using the ROC Criminal Code or the Criminal Code of any other place,
could you tell me exactly what crime has been committed and what the
sentence should be for that crime?  Charging someone with "crimes
committed against the welfare of the people in Taiwan," sounds a lot
like charging someone with "counterrevolution" or "holiganism."
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 13 Sep 1992 13:59:15 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep12.121651.10209@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
=In article <9209101912.AA14967@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
=>I hate my neighbor's dog. So I call it Chou.
=> 
=I believe Mr. Chou Pai is a TI supporter. If you don't agree with him,
=you can argue with him. But why insult your comrade? No wonder even
=some TIers put you in their kill file.

Please if you want to insult other people, do not count me in.

There is a big difference between, 'call Mr. Chou Pai a dog',
'name a dog Mr. Chou Pai' and 'call my neighbor's dog Chou'.

I guess it all depends on the people to interpret my words.
Like I said, some people's minds are evil who can even see 
evil from 'Saint Marry'.

I really hope you are not one of the 'Sant Marry is evil' person.

It seems you are also one of the famous 'ascarid inside my intestine',
because you know who is and is not my 'comrade' which I, myself
has no diea.

Please don't ask me 'how my ascarid came out from my intestine
and wrote article about me', because I have no idea. It seems
the ascarids all pretend to know their hosts the best.

Good to know you do communicate with 'some TI-ers' and they
tell you that they put ROT in their kill files.
I hope you did not make it up.

=
=Chou1
=
From: eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Wei Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <Bu6y9H.KE0@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
>>Hello every Taiwan Independent supporter:
>>
>>[Although the Formosa is Spanish name....but if it is good name 
>>why we want to refuse..
>
>I hope that you are just joking. I believe Formosa is Portuguese
>and is a name with some colonial flavor.
>
>Isn't it weird you call yourself Taiwanese while using a
>Spanish/Portuguese term to name your country?

Hi:
If I am not mistaken and my memory still serves me, I thought that
"Formosa" is a Dutch name.

Roger.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: The foreign minister of prc said:Re to George He
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:30:44 GMT

In article <BtxAnI.7xK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ACHEN@ucs.indiana.edu writes:
=The tiny island of Taiwan cannot survive economically without a
=market who will buy its products.  All export oriented economies
=are doomed to failure without a bigger country such as the USA

China is buying all the shits out of Taiwan now,
including pollution.  ;-(

=which can buy their products.  It is foolish to try to advocate
=an independent Taiwan.  An independent Taiwan could survive economically

I don't even know selling products has anything to do with TI.
Please shed us some light.  ;-(


=only if America has enough money to buy its products.  If 
=America collapses then so goes the independent Taiwan. 

Aren't all the Countries on the Earth in ressession except
very few countries, such as Taiwan? Gee, I guess China is
really a big help to Taiwan by buying all those junks
and pollution.

=
=So it is better to make friends with your brothers in the

Brothers? What kind of brother is this who never stop
claiming "Will invade Taiwan with force"?
I guess, making friend with Devil will be much much much
much much ...... N * much better then making friend
with this 'brother'.

=mainland, rather than calling them nasty names.  The next 

To our enemy, we will drink your blood if you dare to invade
Taiwan and 'nasty names' is such a triviality.

=century belongs to Asia and the Pacific Rim countries.  America

We don't need 'century'. We are contend of living happily
in Taiwan.

=is already past its prime.  In the future it is China, not
=America who will be Taiwan's biggest trade partner.  Remember,
=the Chinese are not our enemy.  The white man is the true
=enemy of all Chinese.  

Like I said, we would rather make friend with your enemy.  :-)
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:54:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Sep15.160055.12406
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BuLnDA.CGx@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep14.170009.11709@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>=
>=In fact, on August 1, 1992, ROC government redefined "China" and said that 
>="At present ROC has sovereignty on Taiwan and several small islands only, 
>=PRC has sovereignty on the Mainland China only". ROC has disclaimed those 
>=places you have mentioned. So Mr. ROT, you can stop 'poisoning' us about 
>=this issue.
> 
>Could someone confirm this?

You should be able to find it from the World Journal easily. To be safe,
check anything from 7/30 to 8/5.

To my best memory and translation, they said something like the following:

"Taiwan and Mainland China are all part of China and this China should be a 
free, democratic, balanced-wealthy nation. Taiwan and Mainland China will be 
unified under this China. At present ROC has sovereignty on Taiwan and several 
small islands only, PRC has sovereignty on the Mainland China only".

The above statement has set the condition for unification and also indicates
this China is not born yet. And Taiwan and the Mainland are currently two
equal and independent political entities (Taiwan is willing to do so but the
Mainland refused).

>If this is true, it means KMT finally go for TI after
>all these years of TI-bashing.  :-)

Not yet. In my opinion, although ROC government verbally supports "One-China
policy" but has quietly moved toward "Two-China policy" to reflect the
reality. CCP's PRC is a real roadblock for TI but not KMT's ROC.

There is no need for TI-bashing, KMT-bashing, or anything-bashing because
truth usually comes out of debates.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: ThankS for ur mails!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:55:45 GMT

   Hi, Thanks for all of you who had sent me mails sharing your opinions on
"mainlanders (ex-province people) in TW".  I really appreciate.

   I am sorry that I don't have any "proof" or "evidence" to show that TI
people have claimed that "mainlanders should be kicked out of TW", it's only my
personal feelings.  Did you remember that once a guy post a story about riding
a taxi in TPE?  The driver rudely said that TW will be better only after
ex-province people got out of the island.  That's what I felt from TI.

   Another question: I can't understand that if TI think that the KMT had
suppressed them speaking the mother language, then why do they do the same
thing by insisting speaking Taiwanese in ALL occasions while someone may not be
able to understand?  It's not Politics, it's only Polite!

   Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinions with me.  Again, I am not coming
for arguing.

-- Christine