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From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Questions about WhiteKnight from a RedRyder user
Keywords: White Knight Red Ryder
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:50:31 GMT

I am still using RedRyder 10.3 because it does everything I have needed
to do and I didn't feel like shelling out more bucks for WhiteKnight.
Well, times change and now I'm considering SLIP... does WhiteKnight
support that?

Also, RedRyder 10.3 has problems when you turn on echo-to-printer or
tell it to print a text file -- it is *very* slow -- like slower than
reading speed -- about 120 baud! Probably due to doing the printer i/o
in a way which has become very unsuitable for sys7. (I have an
Imagewriter II.)

Anyone done text file printing on an IW2 with WhiteKnight?

I have a tendency of getting bogged down and not being able to read
this group, and my newsserver doesn't keep messages very long, so email
replies appreciated.

Thanks!

Ian <chai@cs.uiuc.edu>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Greg Ferguson <rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Ftp to friend's Mac?
X-Xxdate: Sat, 5 Sep 92 06:29:19 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:27:22 GMT

Subject: Ftp to friend's Mac?
From: David Mirsky, mirsky1@husc8.harvard.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:52:02 GMT
In article <1992Sep3.195203.15353@husc3.harvard.edu> David Mirsky,
mirsky1@husc8.harvard.edu writes:
>Hi. I have a friend who works for a computer-related company. He just
>got his own internet node at work. Id like to be able to share files
>with him using the ftp protocol. He doesnt know how to set up his
>computer to allow me to do this, and neither do I. Its possible that
>his company doesnt give its employees the ability to be an ftp
>server. What does my friend need to do? Should I be able to
>ftp directly to his address? I tried it and got a Connection refused
>message. Is there any way he can allow me  access, or is that
>refusal dictated by his company? The company does have a general ftp
>site of its own, though its not anonymous. WOuld it be possible to 
>access my friend's computer by ftping to the main computer? My guess
>is that his company just doesnt allow outsiders to ftp to its
>employees machines. However, i want to be sure.
> 
>
>Feel free to reply here or send via email.
> 
>Thanks
>David
>mirsky1@husc.harvard.edu

Your friend needs to be running a FTP server (daemon) on his Mac. That
software is currently missing which is why you got the connection
refused message.

Two true ftpd (ftp-daemon) products are available. Peter Lewis at Curtin
Univ. in Australia has a nice shareware package called FTPd. I requires
System 7.0 w/ filesharing active and MacTCP. Also, ASC Software in
France has a package called FTPShare. It retails for $150 if I remember
right. Both packages have demos available on SUMEX-AIM. These are
big-guns to kill a small problem.

Also, TCP/Connect, Versa-Term Pro and a couple of other programs have 
FTP server capabilities. If I was just doing FTP serving, I'd go with
a true server, otherwise, if your friend needs internet access or spends
lots of time on other Unix hosts, then one of these packages would be ok.

If your friend has NCSA telnet or tn3270 he can enable the FTP server in
that package and you could FTP to his machine then. The only real
problem with these two programs is the lack of decent security. Your
friend's network administration might have a fit if they knew outsiders
were ftping into his machine. (Both programs are free and available on
SUMEX).

Perhaps the ultimate answer is for your friend to go to the network
admin people and ask that they create an anonymous directory that could
be used as a drop box for you and your friend. The security would be
maintained, your friend wouldn't have CPU cycles wasted on a FTP server
that wouldn't be used most of the day, and you'd get access.

Regards,

Greg

gregf@shaman.sps.mot.com
rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com
=========================================================
"Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window."
    -- Steve Wozniak
=========================================================
From: alain@linguist.jussieu.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: HELP! QuickMail drasticlly unstable!
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:13:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Universite Paris VI/Paris VII

In article <9B8JqB3w165w@tosh.UUCP>, starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) wrote:
> 
> alain@linguist.jussieu.fr writes:
> 
> > Better still, get rid of QM.
> 
> What do you suggest we use in place of QuickMail?

If you need to exchange mail with the Internet, use Eudora.  It
requires a UNIX box to run SMTP and POP servers, but the result is
great, and much less of a hassle than anything else I'm aware of.
Cheaper too.

If you're planning a Mac-only network with no connection to the
Internet, you might consider EZMail.  I beta-tested it a while ago,
and found it very nice.  Contact braun-eric@CS.YALE.EDU.

I wish someone would write a SMTP/POP server on the Mac, if such
a thing is possible.

Alain,
alain@linguist.jussieu.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: jones_mark@tandem.com (Mark Jones)
Subject: Re: Help: An error while changing network selection
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:03:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165055.10733@waikato.ac.nz>, ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
> 
> 
> We've got several labsful (labfuls?) of LCs with Asante cards, and, while
> I haven't heard of this particular problem occurring, we have hit others.
> 
> We finally got a reliable setup by making sure that the Asante cards had
> version 1.1 ROMs, and we used Apple's Network Software Installer 1.2.1, rather
> than the Asante-provided disk, to install the drivers. Personally I would
> recommend you do the same and stay away from Asante's software--unless
> perhaps they've come out with a version newer than 4.0P.
> 
Asante recently released version 4.1 of their software.  We have been using it for
a while and have not had any problems.  You'll find it at mac.archive.umich.edu
in /mac/misc/update/asante4.1.cpt.hqx.

Mark Jones
Tandem Computers, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: What fax modems work OK with PageMaker 4.2?
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:22:21 PDT

In article <67914@hydra.gatech.EDU>, on 9 Sep 92 22:15:46 GMT,
sb14@prism.gatech.EDU (BABBITT,STEPHANIE STAPLES) writes:

>
>I need to buy a send/receive fax modem to use with my IIci (System 7.0.1
>w/TuneUp 1.1.1). In a recent letter to the editor in Macworld, someone
>complained that the DoveFax (which I had thought of buying) produced
>unreadable results when faxing a PageMaker 4.x document to which
>tracking had been applied. I will need to fax PageMaker 4.2 documents
>regularly, and I do use tracking often. I would appreciate any
>suggestions from "the voices of experience" as to which fax modems work
>best with PageMaker. I'm not that picky about other fax modem features,
>but enveloping would be nice. My price range is $200-300. Thanks in
>advance for the help!
>--
>Stephanie S. Babbitt
>Georgia Tech Research Institute, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>Internet: sb14@prism.gatech.edu
>

I believe the Supra FAX Modem V.32bis (14,400 bps data/9600 bps send &
receive FAX) is the best there is.  Works fine with PageMaker 4.2.
However, it may be out of your price range...I got mine for $349...

Supra has other FAX modems as well, which may be within your price
range, including a 9600 bps data AND send/receive FAX modem, not to
mention a 2400 bps data, 9600 bps send/receive FAX modem.

Gann Matsuda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: lquinta@animal.inescn.pt (Luis Quinta)
Subject: NCSA BYU Telnet2.5 (sys KCHR ???)
Organization: INESC Porto
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:51:31 GMT

I'm using all over the building Portuguese keybords with the proper system
KCHAR's on systems 6.X and 7.X. When using Telnet I try to take advantage
of the option System KCHR but it appears to have no effect.
Am I missing something ?

Thanks
Luis Quinta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: SupraFaxModem OWNERS PLEASE READ!
Organization: Organization is for those who don't like chaos
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:35:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.051445.24703@uwm.edu> callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan) writes:
>From article <18s5u6INNh66@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by cf043@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lance K. Chun):

>> To SupraFaxModem owners, 

>> I am planning on purchasing the v.32bis version; please speak
>> your mind now. If you like it and have no problems, tell me;
>> if you own one and hate the cheap crap, tell me! I really want
>> to know if it is indeed as bad (or as good) as some of the netters have
>> said.

[...]

>Lance, I have a SupraFax Modem V32bis and have had NO PROBLEMS with it so
>far, and would just like to add that it is (was) the best deal from all the
>various ads I'd seen.

I have to second Joel's comments.  I've had my Supra v.32bis Faxmodem
for over a month now, and have used it with a variety of modems &
modem pools...  It works fine with our (the CS Department's) 2400 baud
modem pool, connecting at MNP-5 and having no problems communicating.
I have had occasional (two in the last week, none previous) problems
while disconnecting, since the Unix box doesn't drop its modem's
carrier when I log out, so I have to disconnect manually...
Sometimes, mostly when the modem has been on for >15 hours, it doesn't
disconnect properly, & I have to power-cycle it.  Then it works fine.

The other modem pool I connect to is at 14.4K, and I've had perfect
connections on about 10-15 modems in that pool.

I also connect to a 14.4K v.32bis supra, which I have no problems
with, using LAPM data compression...  It's fabulous...

	-=Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian)
Subject: Re: SupraFaxModem OWNERS PLEASE READ!
Organization: Motorola 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:20:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

In article <18s5u6INNh66@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf043@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Lance K. Chun) wrote:
> 
> 
> To SupraFaxModem owners, 
>  
> I am planning on purchasing the v.32bis version; please speak
> your mind now. If you like it and have no problems, tell me;
> if you own one and hate the cheap crap, tell me! 

I've used the SupraFax  using ARA at 14.4kb, and
am very happy with the performance!!  Nice product, package,
and software.

ONE PET PEEVE THOUGH:  The modem lacks a manually adjustable
volume control!!  From the glossy magazine ads, the on/off
switch sorta looks like it could be a volume control, but its
just a push-push on/off switch.  I object to having to enter
AT commands to adjust the volume, especially when troubleshooting
a new connection.

Does anyone else share this pet peeve?

Arman Dolikian       armand@comm.mot.com
From: bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: ARA and DoveFax modem
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:33:01 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca


I'm trying to establish an ARA connection between my mac and my dad's.
He has a DoveFax modem connected to his IIsi, and we are both running
System 7...

The DoveFax modem does not appear in the list of supported modems, but
I remember seeing (a few months ago) that some people were putting
together various ARA modem "scripts".

If this list exists, where can I find it?
Anyone using ARA with a DoveFax?  Admittedly it will probably be slow,
but short of using a floppy through the mail, it might be the best
solution to sharing some files.

Thanks,

-- 
bruce schlobohm
bms@pyramid.com
From: sb14@prism.gatech.EDU (BABBITT,STEPHANIE STAPLES)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: What fax modems work OK with PageMaker 4.2?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:15:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I need to buy a send/receive fax modem to use with my IIci (System 7.0.1
w/TuneUp 1.1.1). In a recent letter to the editor in Macworld, someone
complained that the DoveFax (which I had thought of buying) produced
unreadable results when faxing a PageMaker 4.x document to which
tracking had been applied. I will need to fax PageMaker 4.2 documents
regularly, and I do use tracking often. I would appreciate any
suggestions from "the voices of experience" as to which fax modems work
best with PageMaker. I'm not that picky about other fax modem features,
but enveloping would be nice. My price range is $200-300. Thanks in
advance for the help!
-- 
Stephanie S. Babbitt  
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: sb14@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: X-Windows via dial-in modem?
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

joh@valhalla.cs.wright.edu  writes:
> I desperately need program(s) that can enable me to use X-Windows via
> dial-in phone line using a modem. Is there anyway to do this?

The only way I know of to do this is to use one of the Mac X servers (MacX, 
eXodus) with a MacTCP extension that supports SLIP (VersaTerm SLIP, MacSLIP, 
InterSLIP), and a SLIP gateway on the host network (this can be either a 
standalone box or a computer that has SLIP installed).

In my own experience, this is not a very rewarding way to get work done.  
Running MacX over InterSLIP with a V.32bis modem is quite usable for  most 
tasks, but extremely graphics-intensive applications are still quite slow. 
Some of this is simply because X was never designed to be used on slow-speed 
networks.  The ideal approach would be for an X server vendor (like Apple or 
White Pine) to support one of the special-purpose X-over-a-serial-line 
protocols (XRemote, LBX), the way that many X terminals do.  This would 
provide a major performance win.  I also don't think that the currently 
available X servers are getting very good performance out of the Mac, and 
could stand a lot of improvement.


Amanda Walker <amanda@intercon.com>
-- 
"I wouldn't be surprised if the architecture of Intel's microprocessors
 were eventually linked to the eventual fall of mankind."
                --Steve Gibson
From: jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Stuffit - what's the latest version
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:26:57 CDT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin

I'm confused (-:

What's the latest and most complete version of Stuffit, that will run under
6.0.8?

John Moulder (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steven Dorner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Eudora SFU *almost* does it right...help?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:47:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc

In article <1992Sep10.034852.9385@mtu.edu>, wdburns@mtu.edu (WILLIAM D.
BURNS) wrote:
> Problem 1: I can send mail to my SMTP server with no problem EXCEPT when
> there is an attachment...then the server dumps the line while Eudora
> says "Converting attachment ..."  It does this within 15 seconds or so!
> Yes, I can leave the terminal unattended in any other program so the
> cause is not a watchdog timer on the serial lines on the server...
> If I paste the same hqx file in a letter it works...

About the only thing I can think of here is flow control.  If you're using
hardware flow control, and your modem/cable is confused, it might interpret
a "stop sending now" indication from the remote modem as a "I hung up the
phone" indication.  As to why it only happens for BinHex, it may be that's
the only thing your SMTP server can't keep up with.  Or, if echo is on, as
Ray speculated, it may be your Mac trying to flow control the modem (to
slow the echoes), and your modem misinterpreting that as "please hang up
the phone now".

This all sounds very bizzare, I know, but 15 seconds and then a dropped
line *really* sounds like misconfigured hardware flow control, somehow.
From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: ZTerm 0.91?????? FAQ?????
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:20:05 -0500

On 15/9/92, Alan D. wrote to All: 

aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.) writes:
  > 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
  >> For example, why is it that when you cancel a download, ZTerm goes
  >> wonko?  It doesn't stop sending the file-you don't actually GET anything
  >> but garbage on your screen, tho.
  > 
  > Zterm doesn't...  It's the other end of the connection, which just
  > doesn't recognize the "Stop sending NOW!" signal that Zterm sends.
  > I've had this problem with Smartcom II also.  I solved the problem by
  > making sure I was using an 8-bit connection.
  
  Actually, it has nothing to do with EITHER computer.  It's a modem
problem.  Most high-speed modems have buffers, from 2 to 8K in size,
which they require of they are to do compression or error correction.

  When you terminate the zmodem file transfer, there is still a lot of
garbage sitting in your modem buffer which has to be channeled out.  Even
a program that produced a instantly-recognized STOP signal would have
some garbage.  

  It is also true that some programs refuse to recognize a STOP, which
means you have to wait for timeout for the transfer to end.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Peter Purgathofer <purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: LW disappears from router-machine
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D267582801B604@berlin.tuwien.ac.at>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14: 21:12 GMT
Organization: Institute for Assessment and Design of Technology
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:20:43 GMT

I have to maintain a network with several macintoshs and a laserwriter.
We have Ethernet cards in some macs, the others are connected with
phoneNet. 

To have access to the Laserprinter (a HP LaserJet with EtherPrint from
Dayna) we are running the Apple Router Software on one machine, that is
connected to both EtherNet and PhoneNet. 

The problem is, that we cant find the printer on the machine running the
router software. Thus we are forced to switch the router on or off
several times a day (which, in case of switching on, requres a reboot) to
serve our needs. 

Is there a way to enable printing from the router machine??

Thanx in advance,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan)
Subject: Re: SupraFaxModem OWNERS PLEASE READ!
Originator: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:14:45 GMT

From article <18s5u6INNh66@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by cf043@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lance K. Chun):
> 
> To SupraFaxModem owners, 
>  
> I am planning on purchasing the v.32bis version; please speak
> your mind now. If you like it and have no problems, tell me;
> if you own one and hate the cheap crap, tell me! I really want
> to know if it is indeed as bad (or as good) as some of the netters have
> said. But I want it from the mouths of OWNERS and
> not Hayes or HST owners who are just pissed because they paid
> so much for their modems which only perform the same function.
> But if the owners of SupraFaxModem indeed are having problems, then please
> SPEAK UP so the rest of us will know how crappy SupraFaxModem is.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Lance
>  
> Either a post or e-mail reply can work.
> -- 
> Lance K. Chun - cf043@cleveland.freenet.edu             | Live  |
> Photography Major - Fashion/Illustration/Advertising    | Long  |
> Brooks Institute of Photography, Santa Barbara, CA      |   &   |
> Paul Tsongas '96! Paul Tsongas '96! Paul Tsongas '96!   |Prosper|

Lance, I have a SupraFax Modem V32bis and have had NO PROBLEMS with it so
far, and would just like to add that it is (was) the best deal from all the
various ads I'd seen.

Joel Callan
-- 
 In the meantime, happy computing!
         May you sit on the tack of success and rise to the occassion...

  /`-_                               !!!
From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Importing FAX numbers into FAXsts
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:59:09 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


	I'll call STF tech support on Tuesday if necessary, but in the meantime 
I was wondering if anyone either knew how to import a file of names and FAX 
numbers from a text file into FAXstf or alternately knew the format in which 
FAXstf stores such information.  I can do this with the Abaton Interfax but I 
would prefer to work with my SupraFAX instead.  Thanks.

Elliotte Rusty Harold		Department of Mathematics
elharo@m.njit.edu		New Jersey Institute of Technology
erh0362@tesla.njit.edu		Newark, NJ 07102
From: mem10@po.CWRU.Edu (Milton E. Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: XWindows
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:34:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mem10@po.CWRU.Edu (Milton E. Moskowitz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Greets!
	Question for the guru's out here!  Can anyone suggest an XWindows
program for the Mac to use over a TCP-IP network?  The cheaper, the
better!  Post or e-mail, I read on a multi-daily basis.  Thanx much!
-- 
Milton E. Moskowitz         mem10@po.CWRU.edu       IRC Operator Warlock
"We close our eyes and the World has turned around again.  We close our
 eyes and dream and another Year has come and gone" -Boingo
"Even Paranoids have enemies" -John Hale  "Oh Great Wizard..." -Michelson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dresnick@athena.mit.edu (David I Resnick)
Subject: Re: SupraFaxModem OWNERS PLEASE READ!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<ALAND.92Sep13193559@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:44:24 GMT

I have a Suprafaxmodem V.32bis and have been mostly happy with it.  I
have had an intermittent hardware problem - my modem occasionally
locks up and must be turned off and on to resume functioning.  Supra
says that this is a documented problem which will be fixed in the
upcoming ROM upgrade which will be sent to all registered owners.
--
       David Resnick                           dresnick@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Wanted Shareware...
From: bfoulk@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:23:47 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Does anybody happen to know where I could find any of the following shareware?
 
Textbreak
Blindfold
Deflate
 
I believe they're drop boxes.  Please E-mail me if you have any info.  Thanks,
 
bfoulk@vax1.umkc.edu
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: RE: Re: Tabby/MacFidonet
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:47:46 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

Craig Vaughan is working on a BBS with mailer built in - not a standalone
thingy like Tabby.

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 Glen Stewart - Internet: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: RE: Mac BBS software.... what options are there ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:50:09 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

I had previously thought FirstClass would be a good choice over Hermes (which
I use now), but on evaluating 1.6, I find it to be too limiting and CERTAINLY
too expensive!!!

I resort back to my old conclusion that Hermes and Second SIght are the best.  
I too have been sorely tempted to go the DOS route, but resist.  SS is about
$150 from what I hear, and has had rumors of a difficult sysop interface &
setup.  I thought Hermes was hard to set up, so SS must be QUITE bad.  Perhaps 
SS v2.x has improved things since these rumors started.

And of course, rumors is all you can work with, since there seems to be no
Demo version of SS.  Hermes at least lets you try for 30 days.

I've seen some well-layed-out SS BBS's.  If the extra $75 was not a problem,
I'd go that route.


--  
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 Glen Stewart - Internet: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org