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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:10:51 EST
From:         "NATHAN BRINDLE" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Listserv'ers commands
              23 Nov 1992 21:10:11 +0100 from <Vatle@OSCAR.BBB.N O>

It's not a command, that's why.  Try sending the command "INFO REF" to
LISTSERV at your site (or at UICVM, or wherever).  That will work.

(LISTSERV REFCARD is the name of the file you will receive!)

Cheers,
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:10:54 EST
From:         CS06999 <CS06999@MONTCOLC.BITNET>
Subject:      re: WFWG for stand-alone user

> Hi there,
>
> I have a very simple question:
>
> "Does it make any sense to update from Windows 3.1 to Windows for Workgroup,
> if you are a stand-alone (single) user ??"
>
> I have followed the WFWG mails through this list and I have also read an
> article about this product in the Byte Magazine (2 months ago), but so far
> I didn't get if WFWG has any advantages for a single user of Windows 3.1
> with no itentions to network his PC.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>

I am currently the only one in our workgroup running WFW. However
we are all on a Novell LAN, and we run TCP/IP as well as IPX
protocol stacks. WFW introduces yet another protocol into the
mixture Netbeui, but it successfully moved our IPX and TCP/IP
stuff over to NDIS as part of its installation procedure. Previously
we were running ODI. WFW certainly tugs control away from Novell
for control of the desktop by placing all transport onto its
NDIS protocol.

rick
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:17:14 PST
From:         "(Vance M. Gloster)" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
Subject:      SetWindowPos()
              18 Nov 1992 22:46:00 CST
              <9211190441.AA22241@fourier.inference.com>

  I would like to call SetWindowPos() using the HWND_TOPMOST and
  HWND_NOTOPMOST options in a Visual Basic program.  Problem is I can't
  find any reference to HWND_TOPMOST and HWND_NOTOPMOST in the Windows 3.1
  API Declarations for Visual Basic.  Anybody know these values?

HWND_TOPMOST = -1
HWND_NOTOPMOST = -2
HWND_TOP = 0
HWND_BOTTOM = 1

Good luck!

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:46:26 +0100
From:         "Jan K. Remke" <remke@CS.TU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject:      Re: No WINDOWS NT for us ||||||||
              Haakonsen" at Nov 16, 92 08:56:09 am

I can completely agree. The same applies to OS/2 Ver. 2.0...
These are Operating systems, that would work _ONLY_ with acceptable
performance that would work fine on RISC-Systems, but not for game
computers like INTEL-PCs... :-(
A suggestion:
let MS and IBM compile these Operating systems for RISC...

Greetings:
Jan

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:29:37 -0500
From:         Jameson Spence <jess@NEXUS.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      No Windows NT for us

>> Hmmm, who's been putting the bullcrap in your pants?  We have an
>> evaluation copy of NT and right now it is working.

I concur... I recently attended INTEROP in San Francisco where Microsoft
had WIN NT running on both an Intel based 486-33 and a RISC Based system.
In fact I attended a seminar entitled Unix as a LAN Operating system where
Microsoft defended Nt against 7 UNIX companies (Univell, SCO, SUN etc.) It
was quit interesting that IBM was not even at the table for the
discussion, they could have been there representing either AIX or OS/2. I
really think that Microsoft has made a concrete move to satisfy the DOS,
Windows, OS/2 and UNIX markets with NT. They should be complimented on
their attempt to tackle a complicated and diverse market place.

From a development point of view the Microsoft API is a breath of fresh
air, finally I will be able to migrate my Windows 3.1 applications across
various hardware environments, and even migrate any 32 Bit applications I
develop back to WIN 3.1. It is most definitely going to reshape both
desktop and server computing as we know it.

....Jamie

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:35:00 CST
From:         Howard Blakesley <HBLAKE@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject: Re: MS Access

> I wonder how Bill Gates fits FOX PRO for Windows into the picture....
> isn't MS ACCESS directly competing with it???
>
Probably the same way that BORLAND gets along with DBase and Paradox.
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:40:56 EST
From:         Charles Elliott <CEE@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: File Corrupt, Please Help!!!!!
              16 Nov 1992 23:51:40 -0600 from <bollap@BIT.CSC.LSU.EDU>

Sri Bollapragada,
HOpe you worked on a copy before running chkdsk! But even if you didn't
there may be a chance to salvage fragment files with Norton.
  -choose sectors
  -search using keywords, esp. for missing parts of paper
  -save each contiguous set of sectors as files on another disk
  -try to open each with WP...if they won't open, try DOS EDIT or
   ..even WordPerf 4.2
  -when you laboriously recover sectors identifiable as part of the paper
   into little files, and make sure each opens, combine them with WP or
   the DOS Copy command.  Now the editing begins....(what a mess !)...
 BUT, with luck, you will have recovered much of the paper...less that
bad sector, of course.   Good luck - Charlie Elliott

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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:12:49 EST
From:         "(John DeCarlo)" <m14051@MWVM.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      Reply to "Re: Make a Wish Foundation" (11/11/92 19:55:25)

Not to mention the fact that Craig is now thirteen years old.

Besides, isn't he an FCC Commissioner now proposing a modem tax to raise money
for pull tabs for kidney dialysis?

Internet: jdecarlo@mitre.org (or John.DeCarlo@f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org)
Fidonet:  1:109/131
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:26:00 GMT
From:         ORLEV <0004900186@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Image Processing program for MS-Windows

ORLEV Scientific Computing, LTD. has a new image processing program for
MS-Windows 3.x called IPS.EXE. This program is capable of extensive,
high quality image processing on 8-bit gray-scale images.

The IPS major features are:
* reading of TIFF, GIF, BMP and arbitrary format image files (including
  interleave support).
* palette editing for pseudo color images.
* contrast enhancement: equalization, normalization, thresholding,
  negatives.
* filters: average, median, spots (digital filter), filter of equal
  brightness.
* slide window operators: smoothing, laplacian, equalization,
  normalization, variance, gradient, convolution (3x3 user defined filter).
* object analysis: connect objects, object statistics, isoline, contour map.
* morphology operations: dilating, eroding, opening, closing.
* spatial transformations: shifting, rotating, mirrors (along various
  axes).
* spatial resolution calibration and unit definition.
* extensive histogram analysis (including variance, skew and kurtosis).
* all processing function are high speed using specially designed code.

I have uploaded a demonstration Beta version of the IPS program running
under MS-Windows (called IPSDEMO.ZIP) to the following archive:

ftp.cica.indiana.edu:   /pub/pc/win3/uploads

Please feel free to test this program and distribute it to your friends in
complete ZIP file format only.

For questions and ordering information, contact me at the following
address:

ORLEV Scientific Computing, LTD.
A Subsidiary of ORMAT Industries, LTD.
New Industrial Area, P.O.B. 68 Yavne 70650, Israel
Telephone: 972-8-431615  Facsimile: 972-8-439901  Telex: 381482
Internet: 0004900186@mcimail.com        MCI Mail: ORLEV

Thank you,
Bryon Gomberg
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:10:04 -0500
From:         "(David S. Dudley Jr.)" <dudleyd@HAMLET.UNCG.EDU>
Subject:      Re: .ZIP files on WUARCHIVE
              19, 92 11:19 am

> There was a version
> called 1.93 on WUARCHIVE too; but, it was "experimental" and wasn't guaranteed
> to work.
>

I have a copy of PKZIP 1.93A and it works GREAT!  I have had no problems
so far with compressing or unzipping and the program is much faster than
1.10 and also gives options for extra compression for smaller/tighter
files

Get it today!

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:12:10 CET
From:         Joern-Morten Innselset <VEI92001@NOBIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Windows NT for us...
              22 Nov 1992 16:26:00 EST from <Scarafino@MULTICS-A.PMS.FORD.COM>

On Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:26:00 EST Vince Scarafino said:
> >Date:  19 November 1992 11:18 est
> >From:  Joern-Morten Innselset <VEI92001%NOBIVM.BITNET at PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
> >Subject:  Re: No Windows NT for us...
>
> >On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:24:51 PST Vance M. Gloster said:
> >>..............  I also feel that it is valid for people who do not
> >>have access to a product to ASK about the experience of others, but
> >>not for them to spread unfounded rumors.
> >>
> >
> > Pardon me for not following your train of thought, but exactly what
> >'rumors' are you referring to?
> >
> >  Morten Innselset
>
>Gee, I can think of a number of inaccurate rumors that have appeared in
>this list.  Most of them have been cleared up, though.
>
>Vince

I feel quite responsible for starting the whole discussion by releasing the
'rumor' about NT not being suited for Intel-systems. As my fellow netter
Espen Haakonsen pointed out is was not quite an 'unfounded' rumor, actually
it was based on an article covering a press conference held by a Microsoft
executive. As I correctly do NOT have had the chance to try the system out
myself, I don't feel particularly hit by any of your feeble attempts of
flaming me, but I'm a little put off by people flaming me for spreading
information not fitting their personal expectations (I kind of looked
forward to running the 32-bit system on my 486 myself|)
No hard feelings though, flaming makes the list livelier|

Morten Innselset, Norwegian School of Management.

'Why not kill a whale? Because it is so much more intelligent and sensible
than the average American|'
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:31:00 EST
From:         nuucp@IHLPB.ATT.COM
Subject:      UUCP command execution failed

Your UUCP remote execution request 'ihlpbA754c' (11/19-7:31:33)
failed on system 'ihlpb'.
Your request: rmail hvlpx!mdbois
Reason for failure: command exited with exit code 13
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:18:00 MET
From:         Piotr Kmiec <piotrk@II.UJ.EDU.PL>
Subject:      Re: File Corrupt, Please Help!!!!!
              Nov 16, 92 11:51 pm

This is completely not related to this list but I couldn't figure out the
address of the person asking for help.
Please do not flame me.











Possible solutions:

1. If your document does not contain graphics  in lage quantities and this
is relatively easy to reconstruct them:

  View all the .chk files and try to concatenate them in right order.
Then get any ASCII editor and strip garbage. Then, in WP import the file
into right place into the original document.

2.  Assuming you had enough luck:

Concatenate .chk files in right order and then concatenate this to the WP
document.

3. I don't know.

WARNING & advice:

NEVER try to recover files with chkdsk or NDD on original corrupted disk.
First make a copy via diskcopy, and play with it. Of course this doesn't
apply to hard disks. Anyway, chkdsk|NDD is NOT  a good tool for recovering data.
 It mostly can only recover disk space, not data. The best way to recover
data is to do it "by hand" using some disk editor like DiskEdit from Norton
Utilities.

Feel free to mail me if you need more help.

						Piotr
						piotrk@ii.uj.edu.pl
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:31:24 CST
From:         Bob Lowe <BOBL@VM1.UCA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Writer's Toolkits v2.01 4sale

Perhaps Bi Chen should use this new software package to improve his/her writing
style and grammar!

My vote is for this discussion list to continue being a discussion list and not
an electronic yard sale!  However, I am not opposed to individuals posting
questions regarding the comparisons of software, their price, or any other use-
ful information.  What I value the most in this discussion list in the exchange
of ideas and information.  I don't think very much interaction of this type
will happen if WIN3-L is inudated with commercial product advertisements.

Bob Lowe
bobl@vm1.uca.edu  "My views are my own, they're not for sale!"
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:32 -0800
From:         Harry S Wahrer <wahrer@CS.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WINDOWS CD-ROM

On Wed, 18 Nov 1992, BENNY GALLIHER wrote:

> DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE CD-ROM THAT MICRO IS SELLING
> FOR $69.00 (DEVELOPMENT KIT)

The developer kit CD-ROM, first of all, comes with an engine that
allows you to perform search functions on ALL of the manuals that it
contains such as C++ 7.0 and Quick C and the Windows SDK. It contains appx
30,000 pages of MS documentation and I found it to be well worth the cost
tojoin the MS developer network...It only cost $30.00  U.S. and includes a
second CD to be released in January...the operative word here is BARGAIN!
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:26:00 EST
From:         Vince Scarafino <Scarafino@MULTICS-A.PMS.FORD.COM>

 >Date:  18 November 1992 23:34 est
 >From:  BENNY GALLIHER <IS493H07%WCUVAX1.BITNET at PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>

 >Does anyone know anything about the cd-roms that Microsoft is selling for
 >developers for 69.00 without doc's and 399.00 with doc's?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >
 >Benny

Those prices sound like the beta release of NT.  I've gotten the
"without doc's" option and it has certainly met my expectations.

Vince
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:59:30 -0500
From:         "(Louis Jezsik)" <jezsik@PX2.STFX.CA>
Subject:      ProComm + for Windows problem

I've brought this up before without any success, but I will try again
in hopes that there is someone out there who can help me.
        I am using ProComm + for Windows using VT-320 emulation.  There
are no problems other than pasting text.  If I attempt to paste text
into my mail message, it will come out double spaced.  The manual is
pretty useless in trying to solve the problem.  (In the problem solver
section it says if I'm having a problem with the double spacing, it
has something to do with CR CR/LF between ProComm and the other
machine and that I should read chapter 4.  Chapter 4 sheds NO light
whatsoever.  Grrr!)
        So, can anyone tell me how to paste with success?  Thanks in
advance!
Louis
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:00:19 -0500
From:         Joe Morris <IS480P02@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject:      Message replies from LISTSERV

Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:16:46 +0100
From: Arne deg rd <Vatle%OSCAR.BBB.NO@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu>

> ...
> The subcribtion to the list is OK, but I do not get the
> message I write to the list in return.  I do not see my
> own messages....!!  Only, if someone are answering
> the message I can bee sure that the message have
> been on the list.
>
> Why is the system working like this, and is it possible
> to change this so I can see my own messages?

Arne,

By default, the LISTSERV does not send the sender a copy of their
own posting.  You can change this by sending a LISTSERV command to
LISTSERV@UICVM wiht the following line:

	SET WIN3-L REPro

REPro stands for reproduce message to sender.
NOREPro toggles this feature off.

There are a nubmer of options you may set for yourself.  I beleive the
command is LISTSERV REFCARD.  This should give a refernce of all commmands
and their options.
______________________________________________________________________________
Joe Morris at Western Carolina University; Cullowhee, NC    Practice safe hex,
Internet:  IS480P02@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU (preferable)       Just say NO to viruses,
BITNET:    IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET        And always wear a write-protect tab.
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:12:11 PST
From:         "(Vance M. Gloster)" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
              18 Nov 1992 23:34:36 -0500
              <9211190431.AA22225@fourier.inference.com>

  Does anyone know anything about the cd-roms that Microsoft is selling for
  developers for 69.00 without doc's and 399.00 with doc's?

This is the beta of Windows NT.  It will not run on every kind of
hardware, but if you have a real standard system, you are probably OK.
16 meg of RAM on a fast 386 or 486 with ~100 meg free is what you want
to develop NT programs.  It includes the 32-bit version of Microsoft
C/C++ 7.0, the Win32 SDK, FTP, Telnet, peer-to-peer networking, mail,
and lots of other handy things.  If you just get the CD, all of the
documentation is available on it.  You will receive a copy of the
commercial release which is included in the price.

The more useful CD (unless you own such a machine and want to write NT
software) is the Microsoft Developer Network CD beta which is $40.  It
includes all of the documentation for C/C++ 7.0, the SDK, the DDK,
misc. books (including the Petzold book), internal Microsoft technical
how-to papers which are what the tech support people look at when
trying to help you, bug reports on the various products and tons of
sample code.  The price for this includes a copy of the commercial
product when it comes out.

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:23:39 EST
From:         "Harry M. Kriz" <KRIZ@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      WinQVT/Net exit failure

I'm trying WinQVT/Net 3.03 and have encountered a problem where
the program fails to shutdown properly. I will have to exit Windows
to recover.

I had an FTP session connected to WUARCHIVE. It was acting strangely
as I wasn't getting responses to the dir command, yet I seemed to
be able to issue additional commands from the WinQVT/Net FTP command
line. I decided to close the session by double-clicking on the
FTP window control menu box. This failed to close the FTP window.
I then moved to the WinQVT/Net main session control window and
double-clicked on the control menu box. This closed both open
windows and I thought WinQVT/Net was successfully shut down.

However, when I tried to restart WinQVT/Net from its icon in Program
Manager, Windows informed me that WNQVTNET.EXE was already running.
There was no icon visible for the application. Nor was it listed in
task list as a running application. Thus, the only way to
shut it down is to exit from Windows.

I have seen similar behavior with Visual Basic applications in which
double-clicking the control menu box of the main program windows
appears to shut down the application, but actually leaves other
client windows running. The latter do not appear on the screen
in any way. However, with those applications, the program name
was still listed in Task List and it could be shut down.

--Harry

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:43:06 EST
From:         GADDIEML@MUSC.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Help! Windows locks up on Network...

Mike, are you running Windows from your hard drive??  Tell me a little
about your network & your PC config.  I'm the adminstrator for a 150-node
Novell network which has IBM/Zenith 386SX/486SX's that have Windows 3.0/3.1
loaded locally and they all run fine.  Give me some info and I'll see if
I can help.

Marsha L. Gaddie
Network Integration & Education Coordinator
Medical University of South Carolina
gaddieml@musc.bitnet
gaddieml@lp.musc.edu
(803) 792-3263
UK Alumni Class of '84
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:49:54 CST
From:         Marc Becker <MABECKER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Inverted colors in DOS apps

Every once in a while when I flip between dos apps and windows apps
the color of the DOS app inverts (blue becomes red).  THis is rather
annoying, but I haven't been able to figure out what causes it.  I've
played around with PIF settings to no avail.  I have a 386/25 with 8
megs RAM and I'm runing 4dos (if that's important for analyzing this).
I don't know if this is related, but when I do a Kermit telecommunications
session under windows the screen becomes all scrambled (with Windows
3.0 I always had troubles with my modem on COM4. People said that those
troubles would be solved with 3.1, but I still have just as many
problems getting the modem to work with Windows).

MARC BECKER
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
           MABECKER@UKANVM (BITNET)
           MARC@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (INTERNET)
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