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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Meaningless dialogue
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:39 CST
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In article <1992Dec29.132857.20494@watson.ibm.com>, trogers@yktvmv.vnet.ibm.com writes...
>In <1992Dec29.012211.7701@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec26.152050.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92023@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>>>Meaningless dialogue
>>>ANH C-3PO  "...the dammage doesn't look as bad from out
>>>             here."
>>> Can anyone explain the significance of this useless statement???

>>"That's funny, the damage doesn't look as bad from out here."

>>I think this line ties in with another mysterious C3PO statement a short time
>>earlier: "Did you hear that? They've shut down the main reactor. We'll be
>>destroyed for sure. This is madness!".

[Dan Shoham's theory:  BR appears to surrender--deleted]

[Tom Rogers's theory:  control mechanism for the reactor was hit--deleted]

>Remember, the ship is a Blockade Runner.  We have to assume it is fast.
>The SD (Vader) wanted to keep the BR and its contents intact just as
>much as the Rebels did (I assume).  

This is why I think the Imperial Gunners didn't fire on the escape pod
(even though there were no life forms on board and one gunner said it may
have been a short-circuit)

>C-3P0's comments make sense too.  "Oh my, they've shut down the main
>reactor.  We're doomed!  They'll be no escape for the Princess this
>time."

My personal theory is that there may have been an Imperial spy on board the 
Blockade Runner.  The spy may have shut down the main reactor, something that
may have normally taken several shots to do, leading Threepio to believe the
Blockade Runner has taken considerable damage.  When the droids are in the 
escape pod, they can see that the BR didn't sustain as much damage as they 
assumed.

It's also my opinion that a closer shot of the BR should have been used in that
scene, so that the audience could see more clearly that C3PO was talking about
the Corillian ship, not the ISD.

>Side-bar your honor:  C-3P0 can use contractions, and is thus technically
>superior to Lt. Cmdr Data of STNG.  Also, C-3P0 is a liar, because he
>knows the princess and tells Luke that he doesn't.  ("Who is she",
>"I don't know.  A passenger on our last voyage, I think  Someone of
>importance").

He also says he's not a good storyteller.  Check out the abridged version
of ANH and TESB he tells to the Ewoks.  Not to mention telling the Stormtrooper
in ANH that his counterpart (R2D2) needs to go to maintenance because the 
excitement has overloaded his circuits.

-thomas@the.e-mail.address.inthe.header

Stupid things to say in the Star Wars Universe:

#7:  "Hey Chewbacca--got your nose!"
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From: kam@ddsw1.mcs.com (Kevin Mitchell)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:37:03 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

I prefer a more mundane explanation: These futuristic space ships
supply simulated ship-moving-and-exploding noises based on sensor input
from space outside. The simulated noises serve as aural cues, allowing
the pilots to hear ships that they can't see, as if they were flying in
the atmosphere.

-- 
Kevin Mitchell -- kam@chinet.chi.il.us -- Chicago, IL
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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: "Strike me down" mistake
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:06:45 GMT

In <92354.003329GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>It is my understanding that the ROTJ script has Luke attempting to attack the
>Emperor with his lightsaber after the Emperor says, "Strike me down with all of
>your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete."  But the
>way it is depicted in the movie shows Vader's lightsaber closer to the camera
>and Luke's closer to the Emperor.  As if Luke was swinging away from the
>Emperor rather than toward him.  I'm wondering if this was done on purpose or
>if the sabers were just colored the opposite way.  Any insights?

Well, being neither a fencer nor an SPFX expert, I can offer the following
explanation, untainted by any knowledge of any kind.  

1.  Luke picks up his sabre and swings it towards the Emperor.  Leaving
his right (?) side undefended.

2.  Vader, feeling for reasons of his own that either the time is not
right for Luke to kill the Emperor, or that the Emperor shouldn't be
killed at all, or whatever, decides to distract Luke.

3. Rather than try to block Luke's blow, and possibly risking hitting the
Emperor (wouldn't that have been good - `Hey', thinks Vader, `noone
threatens *my* master like that!' ssszzzwoosh -- sizzle `oops' as he
inadvertantly slices the throne in half, and bisects its occupant :))
Vader decides to distract Luke by threatening his unprotected right flank,
and Luke is compelled to forgo slicing the Emperor, so that he can defend
himself.

Hell, I'm no tactician - anyone got any better suggestions?  And another
thing - whose brilliant idea was it to film that scene on black, in a
black set, with all the principals wearing black?  Reminded me of the
interior of a Disaster Area stuntship :)

>                                                ---Eric
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Zahn's books and new SW movies.
Date: 3 Jan 93 12:52:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

Someone mailed something in this newsgroup a while back that there would be new
SW movies created and that the release date would be sometime this year (93) for the
first one. (Understand that this is TOTALY UNCOMFIRMED rumors) But I would
very much like to know if someone knew anything about this, and wether or not it'll
be Zahn's books that will become movie, or something else...

// Anders Liden.
Mysse of Kingdoms.
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:38:59 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<1992Dec21.072010.5134@sei.cmu.edu>

If people would read Julie's posts more closely, people might stop
repeating what Julie said.  I distinctly recall saying that the best
definition of a classic it whether it stands the test of time, and SW
has not done that yet.  And I don't know about your university, but
the film classes in my university teach about SW, mainly when they're
dealing with special effects.  So to that person who said I was
overawed by academia...if that was the case I would be overawed by SW
too, right?  I have been a SW fan for years, I have read all the books
and two of the scripts, I have seen the movies zillions of times and
read the Han Solo series, the Lando series, etc.  There is nothing in
SW to even come close to what I get from Shakespeare, whether or not
Joe Average would agree.  Shakespeare has a timeless genius that
speaks to every generation.  I have yet to see SW do that.  I know the
kids in my classes (third grade and up) have no concept of Star Wars
and would much rather see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  So far, I
don't see Star Wars spanning the generations.  When I was their age, I
was a big Luke fan.  And don't tell me they have to be older to
appreciate SW.  I think most of us here discovered it when we were
their age.  They are simply not interested, as much as that may blow
our minds, and we need to accept that.  I just don't feel the need to
call SW a literary classic in order to assuage my feelings of
worthlessness because I like it, the way some of you seem to.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:06:37 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

Easy. I think you are wrong.

Think about this : if you met a girl that was fast action and very pretty and you had adored
her curage before, it's not hard for you to fall in love (or atleast think you do) with the girl. 
I.e Luke falls in love with Leia. The only thing that he does know about her is what he has 
seen and what Kenobi has told him. I think it's fairly easy for him to fall in love then.

Ok, let's for arguments sake say that Lucas has NOT made up his mind at this moment,
well he does and Luke finds out. (This is space opera or ?) Ok, if you would find out that
the girl your in love with is your sister, I think that even you should cool down.

I DON'T think that it's "wrong" of Lucas to let Luke "drool" over Leia in SW:ANH since if
he DIDN'T fall in love with Leia then and there, the movie would be a whole lot more
boring, dont you think ?

Just argumenting ofcourse. Comments please ?

// Anders Liden
Mysse of Kingdoms
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
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From: billw@microsoft.com (Bill Wilson)
Subject: Jabba the Hut Playset
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:44:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Ok here is my first post, so I hope that I do this right.  I  was wondering how much the Jabba the Hut platset from 1983 is worth.  I can get 2 of them for $45 Each and was wondering what kind of deal this was???
Would it be worth it to pick both of them up???

please let me know here or by e-mail..

thanks
bill
billw@microsoft.com
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: RPG - "Haste"-question
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:53:18 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

Well, I read through those rules once, and I thought that the stinked, so I scrapped them.
(I assume that you are refearring to the rules in SWrules companion I).

If you want a GOOD suggestion, go and buy SWsecond edition RPG. It's a very good
investment.

Just a thought.

// Anders Liden
Mysse of Kingdoms.
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: trivia buffs... :-)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:14:25 GMT

>>	Name the place(s) where we can see english words (not only letters
>>and numbers, but actual words) in ANH... This not that easy, I can assure you
>
>1)  Inside Luke's macrobinoculars.
>2)  The tractor beam control screens
>3)  The Death Star battle breifing screen (I think)
>and
>4)  Inside Luke's targeting computer

How about:
  -- Opening Scroll
  -- End Credits
  -- Greedo's subtitles

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB

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From: darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Of The Jungle)
Subject: Re: Star Wars New Movie
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Oh No...
Keywords: avoid contact with eyes...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:20:50 GMT

In article <A15090@HB.maus.de> Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss) writes:
>Hi!
>
>A few months ago (In july, I think) there was an ad in a magazine in Berlin,
>Germany. It was from Fox Germany and they were lokking for: "...extras for the
>Film STAR WARS: The Fall Of The Republic." I don't know wether it was some kind
>of Hoax or not.
>
>Joachim Hoss
>Cologne, Germany
>Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de


Oh no!  Please say it ain't so.  I swear, this MUST be someone's idea of
a cruel and sadistic joke!!!!!!!

AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



	--Jerry



-- 

Jerry Alexandratos           | "True greatness is a not a measure of
darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu|  how large one's intelligence is, but
darkstar@bach.udel.edu       |  rather how little one's ignorance is."
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke uses the Dark Side (was: Favorite moments)
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:25:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1257
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec29.170005.12607@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
[part of my original post deleted]
>
>I agree with you.  Let's start a thread here.  Luke did use hatred at that
>point and channelled that hatred and into power from the Dark Side to aid
>him in the final moments of that battle.  Let's see who agrees or disagrees
>and why.
>
>The points in favor of this stance include:
>
>   1) The dramatic music that played when Luke was hacking and slashing.
>   2) The fact that Luke was hacking and slashing blindly and uncontrollably.
>   3) The *anger* and *rage* in the word NO!, as spoken by Luke.
>   4) The realization by Luke of just how much alike he and his father were.
>   5) The laughing of the emperor (he could feel the Dark Side in Luke).
>   6) The displeasure shown my the emperor when Luke declared that he
>      is a Jedi, like his father before him.
>
>These points all paint a pretty convincing picture.  Feel free to use scripts
>or the ROTJ book to backup your points.
[.sig deleted]

O.K.  New thread, coming up.

In regards to points 2 and 3, from Yoda's viewpoint (quoting the movies from
memory here, forgive any mistakes):

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge, never for attack." -- see point #2

"Anger.  Fear.  Agression.  The Dark Side are they." -- see point #3

That is what I based my theories on (partially, anyway).

Andy

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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Meaningless dialogue
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:20:56 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Dec30.130635.3661@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.132857.20494@watson.ibm.com> trogers@yktvmv.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>Side-bar your honor:  C-3P0 can use contractions, and is thus technically
>>superior to Lt. Cmdr Data of STNG.  Also, C-3P0 is a liar, because he
>>knows the princess and tells Luke that he doesn't.  ("Who is she",
>>"I don't know.  A passenger on our last voyage, I think  Someone of
>>importance").
>
>Why do you assume that he knew the princess?  He may have not known...

You are correct.  He at least knows that there is a princess on board.  He may 
not have ever met her so he may not know what she looks like.

C-3P0 knows that there is a princess due to his remark:  "We're doomed, they'll 
be no escape for the princess this time."  This makes it sound like he knows 
there is a princess on board and also leads one to believe that he knows much of 
the history of the princess (the key words = "this time").  Probably reading
too much into it, though.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Greedo's ghost in ROTJ?!?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:28:01 GMT

dimshftr@netlink.cts.com (Adam Tow) writes:
>        While watching ROTJ for the umpteenth million time, I noticed
>something that I must have missed in Jabba's throne room scene, the one
>where C-3PO and R2-D2 first walk into Jabba's room. If you listen closely 
>to the background noise, beyong the music, you can hear the dialogue that 
>Greedo spoke while talking to Han Solo in ANH.

   I noticed this a while ago also.  (Looks like you beat me to posting
about it.)
   But it's true... you can distinctly hear "...wan ya rooska, heh heh heh"
just before Threepio kicks that toad-thing on the stairs and it starts
barking.

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Hamill the comic collector (was: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:22:50 GMT

trogers@yktvmv.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>Many may remember that Hammill played a character in an episode of
>Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories.
>
>Hammill, in much makeup, played an old hobo, homeless-type wanderer, going from
>town to town in a dusty old car that holds all his personal possesions.  Most
>of the episode is a flash-back to this characters young-adult years in which he
>is still living with his parents who think he is wasting his time collecting
>all sorts of junk comic books, trading cards, etc.  The character saves all his
>money to buy a shiney new convertible, and then somehow has a falling out with
>his parents and hits the road with everything he owns in said car.  Back to
>present day time, we see character in same car, as an old man.
>
>To make a long story short, the character is 'discovered' by some yuppie-types
>who notice all the 'treasures' that this crazy old guy has in his car.  They
>clean up the guy, his car, and auction off everything.  The old guy becomes
>very rich, and I vaguely remember the episode ending with a closeup of the
>guy, with tears in his eyes as his classic car is auctioned for *big* bucks.

   You missed one of the most important parts of the story.  There is a little
guy who only the hobo (Hammill) can see, who encourages him to do all this.
Near the end, Hammill, poor and destitute, gives this little guy a royal
telling off.  This is when the yuppies discover his stuff.  Later, during
the auction, when he realizes how much dough he is getting, he apologizes
to the little guy and offers to buy him a drink.  Since the guy is invisible,
a girl sitting nearby thinks he is talking to her, so it ends with Hammill
getting the money AND the girl.  Not a bad deal... should tell us collectors
something....

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: BOOKS ON CD_ROM !!!!?????
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:27:15 PST
Organization: BBS




Well guys and gals, How's it goin'? I've just begun reading this group about
4-5 days ago and it got me so wound up that I went out and bought the two books
by Timothy Zahn along with some other STAR WARS refrence book. I really enjoy
all the talk about star wars, and I regret that it was not in my era seeing
that I was only two years old when ANH was shown. I was more into GI Joe's and
He-Man's.
    Anyway, I was looking through a computer mag. and noticed that there are
many books now available on CD-ROM. Well, I want to know if, since LucasFilms
also makes computer software, they have made the Star Wars books onto CD-ROM. 
I know I would buy them if they existed. Or if they do, could someone please
tell me where I could get them?? Thanks in advance.

Oh yeah, I also had one question;

In RoTJ,
DV asks Luke to remove his mask,
Luke: No, you'll die    (I think that's what he said)

But earlier, We see Vader removing his mask is his private chambers.
So.... How important *IS* his mask to his survival?? Later...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!



LONG LIVE THE PRO/AM!!!!!
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Subject: Re: What a battle!!clo
From: petra@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:07:31 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1gr407INNls4@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.005736.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>     Okay, here goes.  If you put the starwars guys up against the new 
>>generation Star Trek guys and threw in a sideline where the Battle Star
>>Galactica Guys arrived on the scene, Who do you think would win?
>>
>>                                           John
>>
> 
> I don't know who would win, but I know who would loose BIG time: the
> readers of this newsgroup who are forced onto this thread AGAIN!
> 
> All this does is start constant bickering among posters, and NEVER
> solves anything as all answers are subjective, sepectially when you
> condsier that that these are all IMAGINARY (but enjoyable to watch, none
> the less).
> 
> To put is bluntly "it doesn't matter!"
> 
> 	Thanks
> 	Robert Fentiman
> 
> UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
> At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
> 
I agree whole heartedly.  Three cheers for Mr. Fentiman

-Donavan
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Trek : The New Generation watches Star Wars & Aliens
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:33:41 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC

Just a small note for those of you who also watch ST:TNG.  In last weeks
episode called Chain of Command, Picard, Bev, and Worf reach a locked
door that Worf says is "magnetically sealed".  Nice to know the Klingon
watched Star Wars. :)  (: In case you might think that it wasn't a
reference to SW, then watch it again because they also make a reference
to Aliens right after it. :) 


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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:02:01 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Compared to say every other SW book ever written, Splinter
has to be one of the worst. It must have been some kind
of get it out in xxx days to take advantage of the
marketing deal ... it's an abysmally dumb plot that was
somehow drug out into a book. (Perhaps it was a rejected SW marvel
comic script?)

If I were a SW book reader who wanted to read SW, I'd highly
recommand the "Han Solo and ..." series, as well as the "Lando
and ..." series. Or the new books, or even Dark Horse's new
comic series (with the watercolor art and the glossy pages and
covers that leave fingerprints if you just think about them,
let alone touch them! :)).

That's my take on Splinter after getting it in a used book store
(it's probably still there, if anyone needs a copy) and reading
it. You were warned! :)

Scott
From: sally@remarque.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Denis Lawson
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:05:26 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu



Did anyone catch Denis Lawson in the Disney movie called
Bejewelled? This is the same Denis Lawson who played Wedge is it
not? It was a so so movie, but I thought he was rather cute, too
bad there was not more of him in Star Wars...


-- 
Sally A. Wilson
Spudnix Peel
sally@mica.berkley.edu
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