HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:11:51 GMT

frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de () writes:
>vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti) writes:
>: The program Pretty Good Privacy program, version 2.0, is available
>: in the ~ftp/pub/crypt directory on site ghost.dsi.unimi.it.
>: 
>
>As was recently discussed here, secure exchange of public keys is in
>general not possible without a secure channel.  This is because
>although the keys do not need to be _confidentiality_ protected,
>they very often need to be _integrity_ protected.
>
>What the PGP docs should say is that you don't need to keep your
>public key _confidential_.

Having examined it, PGP has addressed this question by providing for
keys to be certified by "authorities", those being people that you
designate. This allows you to have your friends, with whom you have
securely exchanged keys (presumably in person) to in turn certify new
keys. There are also key compromise certificates. There is also neat
built in radix-64 handling, a good unix port, apparent ports for VMS,
amigas and ataris, and all sorts of other goodies, and now it uses
IDEA as its base conventional cypher instead of Bass-O-Matic. Its all
quite winningly slick. I'd look at the docs before saying "yes, but
does it do X".
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From: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net (Steven L. Johnson)
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Originator: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:46:23 GMT

"Marc VanHeyningen" <mvanheyn@silky.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>I wonder if it would be possible to port it to use RSAREF and make it
>"legitimate".  It would sort of change PGP's "flavor" though.

Not being familiar with "RSAREF" and assuming for purpose of argument
that PKP's patent covering "all public key" implementations is valid
why would the use of RSAREF make PGP legitimate?  Is there licensing
for it that is not available for PGP or is it for some reason not
covered?  I guess I'm looking for your definition of legitimate.

-Steve
From: jude@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jude Poole)
Newsgroups: alt.security
Subject: interception of EM radiation
Keywords: tempest, security, eavesdropping
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:48:57 GMT

I am investigating the nature and extent of the threat of
electronic eavesdropping.  I am especially interested in 
the sort of eavesdropping TEMPEST systems are designed to
be protected against.  If anyone has any pointers to references
containing methods used to eavesdrop and methods of protection
other than TEMPEST, I'd appreciate them.  

Please email.

Thanks,


Jude Poole
jpoole@ucsd.edu
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From: adam@sparkle.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: alt.security,sci.crypt
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:00:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep10.180009.6749
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Sep9.181117.11610@sci.kun.nl> wittlin@sci.kun.nl (Aleksander Wittlin) writes:
>Hello,
> PGP 2.0 as it is now,  won't run on SUN3 systems.
>Make is trying to use sparc.s rsalib assembler primitives
>and  crashes (all Suns are supposed to be sparcs!).  

No, they're not.  All Sparcstations are based on sparc.  No Sun3 is.
Sun3s are usually 68020 or 68030

>Is there a simple fix of that problem? 

Yeah, learn a bit more about your machine. :)

Adam



Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: alt.security,sci.crypt
From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush)
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Keywords: public key encryption, RSA, secure e-mail
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:12:27 GMT

barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

> Note that this FTP server can't be used from systems behind many
> packet-filtering gateways.  It tries to contact our authd, and fails
> because we don't allow incoming connections, and the FTP connection hangs.

> Note that it *does* allow connections from systems that don't run authd, so
> it's not a security issue, it's just a poor implementation of the auth
> client.

Nope.  Some folk chased this bug down.  Turns out thet NET/1 distribution has
this bug where if connection B gets no host, then it kills an already existing
connection A.  I.e. the firewall's denial of authd kills the ftp.

NET/2 fixed the bug.  But all NET/1-derived systems will see this problem.

randy
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From: gregb@cup.portal.com (Greg - Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.security,sci.crypt
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 09:18:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I've been following the PGP discussion with interest.
Although I have not been involved in the infringement side of patent law, I'd
like to make a few observations.  If any of my comments are wrong, please corre
ct
me since I'm no patent person.

My understanding of hobbyist use of patented technology is that you are free to
build a unit for your own use, regardless of whether it is patented.  This is
essential in order to foster a creative environment.  You are not allowed to 
make money off it, nor to distribute your unit to third parties.  As an example
 I
have certainly read magazine articles detailing how to build a hobbyist project
based on patented technology.  The entire patent system is designed to *disclos
e*
and dessiminate technology.  If you want to keep it secret don't patent it ;=)

The concept of patented algorhythms seems flaky at best.  But the law is aimed
at preventing unfair commercial competition against the developer.  As long as
the law accomplishes that, I shouldn't think there is anything to worry about.

Well, this is further astray than the lock disussion.  (Which I liked.  Anyone
know how to defeat sidebar locks like Medecos?  Email me! ;=)

Don't let me sidetrack the discussion, but I welcome email from anyone who
knows the law to work differently from my understanding stated above.  I'll
share any significant variation which affect PGP distribution.

Greg Byrd ---> Bell    (803) 686-4575
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Newsgroups: alt.security
From: ljpoconn@math.uwaterloo.ca (Luke O'Connor)
Subject: Crack
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:59:52 GMT

A friend recently asked me 

	>Luke do you have a better "rule set" to upgrade the Crack program so
	>I can really hammer the passwd file on my machine

Well I don't and can't help it at all. If this request is clear to you could 
you mail him at william@ee.su.OZ.AU (William Walsh) for more details

thank you


regards Luke O'Connor

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From: rani@barsoom.nhh.no (Ragnar Nielsen)
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:54:10 GMT

res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:


>Another reason may be that they are using MD5 in 2.0.  Does anyone know
>if pgp2.0 is compatible with pgp1.0?

No, according to the documentation it's not. Looks like we all have to
distribute and collect new keys.
Hardly surprising, as one of the great new features of version 2.0 is
key authentification, where a trusted third party can vouch for a to you
unknown public key. Lack of key authentification was a serious deficiency
in PGP 1.0, and I guess the key layout had to be changed in order to
incorporate this feature.
Note: I haven't studied the source too closelyy, so I might be in error
on this one, but it seems logical to me.

The good news is that the authors of version 2.0 have said that they
intend to do what they can to keep future versions of PGP key-compatible
with version 2.0.

regards,

ragnar
From: hironobu@sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki)
Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: pgp for NeXTSTEP.
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:00:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.security.pgp
Distribution: alt
Organization: Software Research Associates, Inc., Japan


Hi!

I'm a Japanese programmer in Tokyo. I've an intrest in RSA crypt
system. unix-pgp2.0.tar.Z already was ftped.

I'm also NeXT user. NeXTStep 3.0 have a good RSA crypt system for
their e-mail application, but un-bandled for import version. Because
I'm in Japan and can't get it.

Is there someone who makes NeXTSTEP interface for pgp 2.0?  and also
any advice/information welcome.

BTW.

I found this paragraph in pgp10.guide, have curiosity about it.

    |  A company in California called Public Key Partners (PKP) holds
    | the exclusive commercial license to sell and sub-license the RSA
    | public key cryptosystem.  

I'd like to know the name of this company. 

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From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:26:31 GMT

cepek@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.142336.5733@ghost.dsi.unimi.it>,
>vince@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (David Vincenzetti) writes:
>
>> The program Pretty Good Privacy program, version 2.0, is available
>> in the ~ftp/pub/crypt directory on site ghost.dsi.unimi.it.
>:
>> David Vincenzetti  -*-  System Administator and C Programmer
>
>Page 21 of the PGPGUIDE (Ver1.0) said that future PGP releases could be 
>verified using PRZ's public key.  Ver2.0 doesn't seem to do this.  Does 
>this bother anybody?

Remember, PRZ is under legal orders not to have anything to do with
new PGP development. The DOS executable of the new distribution does
come signed by Branko Lankester, the ring leader of the overseas
development effort. Admittedly, there is no way to know if Branko's
signature is trustworthy.
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From: "Marc VanHeyningen" <mvanheyn@silky.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: PGP *2.0* available
X-Quoted: 17%
Reply-To: mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:45:13 -0500

Thus said pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger):
[ ... ]
>built in radix-64 handling, a good unix port, apparent ports for VMS,
>amigas and ataris, and all sorts of other goodies, and now it uses
>IDEA as its base conventional cypher instead of Bass-O-Matic. Its all
>quite winningly slick. I'd look at the docs before saying "yes, but
>does it do X".

It looks like a pretty decent program.  I'm glad it makes a closer
attempt to comply with the RFCs than the old version, though it looks
like it was more with the objective of doing different encoding rather
than complying per se; it doesn't look possible for PGP to decrypt
messages sent by some other program, or vice-versa.  It appears to have
been designed with a near-paranoid rabidity about security, which is good.

It's too bad it (through little fault of its own) fails the test of "Can
I use it without fear of being sued, fired or expelled?" for us here in
the U.S.  For that matter, the addition of IDEA [depending which legal
forecasts you believe] may allow our European friends to share in this
sensation.  (Would multiple DES encryptions with some padding provide
comparable security without legal clouds?)

(Oh, and there's just one "But does it..." offhand:  does it allow for
authentication without encrypting or encoding the plaintext [i.e. doing
the MIC-CLEAR encryption type]?)

I wonder if it would be possible to port it to use RSAREF and make it
"legitimate".  It would sort of change PGP's "flavor" though.
-- 
Marc VanHeyningen     mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu     MIME accepted

What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it?
		- Doctor Who
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Software Copyright protection devices
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:37:54 GMT

>The reality of business life is that most people will steal software if
>they can get away with it. At a previous company that I worked for,
>PC software piracy was so rampant that it was considered a major step

Wasn't somene recently convicted of libel (or is it slander?) for
calling someone a thief, when this someone was not a thief but had
violated copyright?

//Jyrki
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From: wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.)
Subject: Prince of Darkness II?????
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:28:00 GMT

A friend of mine has made the claim that there is a sequel to John Carpenter's
masterpiece Prince of Darkness. Izzis true? If so, when will it be out?

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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:05:53 GMT

Sorry for the delay but the host system went down after the last
posting.

Here are some secondary sources which may be of use... sorry I
couldn't be more helpful.

____________________________________________________________________
Barclay, Glen St. John. (1978) Anatomy of Horror; The masters of
occult fiction.  London: Weidenfeld.

Bayer-Berenbaum, Linda. (1982) The Gothic imagination: expansion in
Gothic literature and art. Rutherford, N.J.: Fairleigh Dickinson
U.P.

Carroll, Noel.  The Philosophy of Horror; or Paradoxes of the
Heart.  New York:  Routledge, 1990.

Carter, Margaret L. (Margaret Louise). (1987) Specter or delusion;
the supernatural in gothic fiction.  Ann Arbor, Mich.: U.M.I.
Research.  Studies in speculative fiction. No. 15

Day, William Patrick. (1985) In the circles of fear and desire: a
study of Gothic fantasy.  Chicago: U. of Chicago P.

Denning, Michael.  Mechanic Accents: Dime Novels and Working Class
Culture in America.  New York: Verso, 1987.  {Wrong historical
period but still may be of use in a general way.}

Frank, Frederick S. (1987) The First gothics: a critical guide to
the English gothic novel.  New York: Garland.

Graham, Kenneth W. (Kenneth Wayne). (1989) Gothic fictions:
prohibition/transgression. New York: A.M.S. Press.

Grixti, Joseph.  Terrors of Uncertainty: The Cultural Contexts of
Horror Fiction. New York: Routledge, 1989.

Harwell, Thomas Meade. (1986) The English Gothic novel;$@a
miscellany in four volumes.  Salzburg, Austria: Institut fuer
Anglistik und Amerikanistik, Universitaet Salzburg.

Heller, Terry. (1987) The Delights of terror; an aesthetics of the
tale of terror.  Urbana: U. of Illinois P.

Joshi, S. T. (1990) The Weird tale.  Austin: U. of Texas P.

Messent, Peter B.  Literature of the Occult.  Ed. Peter B. Messent. 
Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall Inc., 1981.

Napier, Elizabeth R. (1986) The Failure of Gothic: problems of
disjunction in an eighteenth-century literary form.  Oxford,
Oxfordshire: Clarendon.

Sage, Victor. (1988) Horror fiction in the Protestant tradition. 
Basingstoke, England: Macmillan.

Spector, Robert Donald. (1983) The English Gothic: a bibliographic
guide to writers from Horace Walpole to Mary Shelley.  Westport,
Conn.: Greenwood.

Tales of terror and wonder.  London: Routledge. {Sorry, had to work
from an impaired memory on thuis one}

Tracy, Ann Blaisdell. (1981) The Gothic novel, 1790-1830: plot
summaries and index to motifs.  Lexington, U. P. of Kentucky.

Twitchell, James B. (1985) Dreadful pleasures: an anatomy of modern
horror.  New York: Oxford U. P.
From: dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Horror ARTISTS...
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:41:04 PST
Organization: BBS


Attention artists:

Maelstrom Hobby, a start-up RPG design company, is presently looking for
several artists to solicit samples of their talent in horror and science
fiction for possible contract work.  Prospective artists should be able to 
take self-direction in addition to specific assignments and be able to draw and
ink both action (with and without multiple characters) as well as single
character poses.

For immediate consideration, please submit a minimum of 3 original (photo-
copied) samples of your work to the address listed below.  (Should you have
skills with color or airbrush, please make a note of it when sending samples.)


MAELSTROM HOBBY
ATTN:  Delbert Laird
2660 Lassen Way
Pinole, Ca. 94564-1137
From: garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: MetaHorror
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:16:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <cefUygu00WB4Q3jqtk@andrew.cmu.edu> tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Keenan Bowman) writes:
>I also just recently finished METAHORROR (I am normally a fan of
>"psychological horror") and would have pretty hard time recommending it
>to anybody. Few, if any of the stories stood out. Most of the them seemed
>just plain pointless (maybe that is the key to psychological horror).
>Many of the stories started out promising and then just kind of faded out
>into various uninspired conclusions.
>
>Stand-outs include:
>Richard Christian Matheson (read "scars" instead)
>David Morrell
>
>(hmmm, thats all I can think of)
>
>Did anybody read this and like it? I'd be curious to hear your impressions?
>
>t

I enjoyed the book a great deal, I also enjoy the horror stories that
Datlow picks for "The Years Best Fantasy and Horror" compilations as well
as her other anthologies.  I far prefer relatively quiet introspective
horror to the external horror of most of Clive Barker's work (although I
love LoveCraft, and a few others whose focus is on external horror).  Two
people whose work I particularly enjoy are John Shirley (especially his
WetBones novel and HeetSeeker collection) and K.W. Jeter (just about
everything).   In general I prefer short stories to todays bloated
novels, does anyone have any other authors that they would like to
recommend.

    -Bill (If this is echo'ed sorry for the inconvenience)


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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: OK.... NOW I'm moving. <packs luggage>
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19957]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:06:11 GMT

In article <Bu2tut.GnB@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>In article <sterling.715559445@crash> sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling) writes:
>>In <185j6rINNe8h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>>
>>
>>>First that antique shop opened up w/ the Monkey from the cover
>>>...then I saw a black Toronado and tons of sparrows while
>>>re-reading "The Dark Half..."
>>
>>>Right now I'm re-reading "IT," and I passed that antique shop on
>>>my way home from work. Sitting in the window is now an old bike
>>>that looks just like Silver from the book.
>>
>>>I'm not making any of this up!!! It's the WEIRDEST string of
>>>coincidences that's ever occurred to me.
>>
>>
>>Just don't buy anything, especially if it seems to be "too good to be true."
>>
>And especially don't bury anything in a down the path cemetary!
>And return your library books!
And make sure, if you are flying on a long trip, to go to sleep on the
airplane!
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From: harsh@flammulated.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Simmons
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:04:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas

must agree with you on the subject of Boy's Life , though his name is McCammon
(possibly a typo but you wrote it that way twice).  If you enjoyed that book, 
I'd reccomend Swan Song, Usher's Passing, and Blue World, a collection of 
short stories.  Swan Song is somewhat like the Stand but I think it's good
enough to get away with it.  Blue World has some stories that are excellent, 
if a bit pulpy.

Also, I think you'd probably enjoy some of Simmons short stories much more.
I know there are some in a book called the Skin Trade, which also includes 
some stories by Stephen King (Readable , but not great) and a novella by 
George R. R. Martin (excellent fun even though it is a bit pulpy).  By a long
shot though his best efforts have been in sci-fi with the Hyperion series 
 
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools

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From: kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.kalinowitsch)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III Question
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:07:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <92259.102709TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I was wondering if anyone out there knew what kind of business Hellraiser III
>did since it debuted on Friday? I kinda hope it does well, just so horror
>can say its big movies can compete with Prince of Tides, etc. money-wise.
>Please E-Mail me or post the top ten over the weekend.

It grossed $3.2 million, finishing in third (!) place, behind _Sneakers_ 
and _Honeymoon in Vegas_.  
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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: king movies
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: alt.horror
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:15:48 GMT


ok, here's the state of upcoming king films as of sept.

pet semataery 2: out
children of the corn 2: released soonish
needful things: ready to begin filming, out in late 92 or early 93
	producer: rob reiner, directed by peter yates, script by wd richter
the talisman: script by richard LaGravenese for Speilberg productions
the mangler: produced by gimel Everret(the lawnmower man)
thinner: scripted by michael mcdowell for tom holland to direct, TH is 
	polishing the script now
the dark half: directed by george romero, starring timothy hutton, waiting
	release due to financial probs at orion
the langoliers: development for laurel entertainment, possible cable movie
the nightflier: same, on hold
creepshow 3: looking for animators
tales from the darkside: the Movie 2: indefinite hold
the stand: abc miniseries on the schedule
the tommyknockers: same



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