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From: mosh@robcad.uucp ( Moshe Shemesh)
Subject: Re: Elm
Organization: ROBCAD Software inc. Herzelia - ISRAEL
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:45:29 GMT

In article <BuzzB4.KDC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dpape@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Pape) writes:
>Has anyone gotten this to compile? I am still under 4.0.1 if that makes
>a difference... I've been trying for about 2 days now, and can't get all
>the compile errors worked out.


I have compiled Elm version 2.3 PL0 (I was lazy to install the many patches I
had on PTF's CD) last week under IRIX 4.0.5 with no major problems. I remember
I had to change some line in config.h which was messed out after running
Configure  but apart for that everything went fine.

Mail me directly if you are still fighting it.


Moshe Shemesh
Just another System Administrator
ROBCAD software Technologies Ltd.
Herzelia - Israel

INTERNET:mosh%robcad@uunet.uu.net
UUCP:uunet!robcad!mosh

Beware of machines with big reset buttons in front - It means You will have to 
use it.
From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Error message from arp - what does it mean ?
Keywords: arp ether broadcast ip
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine

Hello,

The last time I rebooted my machine I got these messages displayed at the 
console. Should I worry about these as a user of my machine or as an
indication that something is seriously wrong with the network ?

Sep 30 16:50:15 carrion unix: arp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 129.31.80.33!
Sep 30 16:50:17 carrion last message repeated 76 times
Sep 30 16:50:18 carrion unix: rp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 129.31.80.33!
Sep 30 16:50:18 carrion unix: arp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 129.31.80.33!
Sep 30 16:50:18 carrion unix: arp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 129.31.80.33!

What meaning does the message actually try to convey ? Where does it come
from, I could not find the string in /usr/etc/arp ?

curious                               Thomas

carrion$ uname -a
IRIX carrion 4.0.1 11150233 IP6

carrion$ hinv
1 20 MHZ IP6 Processor
FPU: MIPS R2010A/R3010 VLSI Floating Point Chip Revision: 2.0
CPU: MIPS R2000A/R3000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.0
On-board serial ports: 2
Data cache size: 32 Kbytes
Instruction cache size: 64 Kbytes
Main memory size: 16 Mbytes
Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 0
Tape drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0: QIC 150
Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93A
Graphics board: GR1.2 

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From: cht@panix.com (Chris Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: compiling Gnu gcc-2.2.2 on a 4D/35
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:36:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

The saga continues:

I know everybody has been losing sleep wondering how I am doing with my effort
to build gcc-2.2.2, so I thought I would post an update with my latest problem...
The build went fine! I said " configure mips-sgi-irix4 ", and then did the make, and then for evaluation purposes, intalled ld, as, as0 and as1 on the machine
that is to run gcc. But...

Gcc compiles a "hello world" type file fine, but the linker (apparently) has a
problem. Output of "gcc <filename.c>" follows:

collect: vfork: resource temporarily unavailable
collect: /bin/ld exited with error code 1
.
(repeat about 40 times)
.
collect: /bin/ld exited with error code 1

What precisely does _collect_ do? The FM is somewhat terse on the topic. Did I
neglect to copy one of the assembler's or linker's utilities onto the machine?
AS per usual, any assistance will be greatly appreciated, and rewarded 
handsomly in the Afterlife.

Thanks!

Chris "Gnubie" Taylor
cht@panix.com
Newsgroup: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: compiling Gnu gcc-2.2.2 on a 4D/35
Distribution: world 

The saga continues:

I know everybody has been losing sleep wondering how I am doing with my effort
to build gcc-2.2.2, so I thought I would post an update with my latest problem...
The build went fine! I said " configure mips-sgi-irix4 ", and then did the make, and then for evaluation purposes, intalled ld, as, as0 and as1 on the machine
that is to run gcc. But...

Gcc compiles a "hello world" type file fine, but the linker (apparently) has a
problem. Output of "gcc <filename.c>" follows:

collect: vfork: resource temporarily unavailable
collect: /bin/ld exited with error code 1
.
(repeat about 40 times)
.
collect: /bin/ld exited with error code 1

What precisely does _collect_ do? The FM is somewhat terse on the topic. Did I
neglect to copy one of the assembler's or linker's utilities onto the machine?
AS per usual, any assistance will be greatly appreciated, and rewarded 
handsomly in the Afterlife.

Thanks!

Chris "Gnubie" Taylor
cht@panix.com
-- 
Chris Taylor
cht@panix.com
71201.3537@compuserve.com
From: sparc!clay@erika.bighouse.unipress.com (John Clayton Webster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: dog  flight simulator
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:43:06 GMT

Make that a double.

I've got Flight v2.4 and would like to be able to expand/improve it.
Source code would be wonderful.  A newer version with improvements could
be good, too...  (hopefully not too slow).

-- Clay
___________________________________________________________________________
 
 Clay Webster (clay@unipress.com) "Now I know why they call television a 
 Technical Mrkting Coordinator     medium. It's never rare, or well done."
 908-287-2100 ext. 920                                     -- Mighty Mouse
___________________________________________________________________________
From: wrb@teal.csn.org (William R. Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: PC + DOS Emulator Source Code for UNIX
Keywords: DOS, UNIX, Emulator
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:50:11 GMT
Organization: William R. Bishop


  Greetings DOS-doers:

  I worked on a project for over a year to develop a PC AND DOS emulator 
under unix.  This was supposed to be our "BIG" break (and it just about broke
John Stevenson-jks@nomadic.com and I).  We both had a lot to learn about 
marketing.  A lot of your potential buyers got the shakes when Microsoft 
announced their effort to bring a DOS emulator to every machine (for free?).

Please post all responses to comp.unix.dos-under-unix or Email wrb@wrb.com

  It only emulates an XT (or most of one) and a monochrome display adapter,
though it was designed to be extended.  The code traps interrupts and executes 
UNIX code for the DOS interrupts (thus obviating the need for DOS).  
Many of the important DOS calls have been emulated, but quite a few have not.
We figured to use the code as a "wrapper" around PC packages, thereby only
needing to implement the calls that a particular package uses (and what do
you know, just like most compilers use only a small subset of a machines 
instructions, most programs use only a small subset of DOS calls).

It was developed on an SGI 3030, 4D/35, and Indigo so the keyboard and 
display I/O is tailored to these machines (GL).

It runs Quicken, most of WordPerfect and Microsoft word as it sits.  The 
mouse stuff still has a few problems.

  The code has been sitting on the shelf for a year or so now, waiting for
its "BIG" break.  I am posting this notice to see how many people would be
interested in using and improving it.   Also any suggestions on how to 
support it would be appreciated (like pearl?)


                William R. Bishop (Bill) -<wrb@wrb.com>
From: gpfrn@cam.nist.gov (Glenn_P._Forney_x2313)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: securing 8mm backups
Keywords: backups
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:23:55 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

i use the bsd dump command to backup local and
remote file systems.  two of the weak links in
my scripts are 1) any one can write to /dev/nrtape
so that the back up media is not secure 2) don't
know how to verify that tape in drive is the right
tape.  (several people share the tape drive.  would like
to automatically check tape before writing to it.)
bru is not suitable because it restricts file names
to 127 characters.  can someone suggest a simple way to solve
the above two problems?
thanks,
glenn forney
gpfrn@cfr6.cfr.nist.gov
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:14525 comp.os.os2.advocacy:6766
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Subject: Re: Need help in Showcase II
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:15:54 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.184048.26888@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, prevost@eos.arc.nasa.gov writes:
> cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chi Yin R Chong) writes:
> 
> >HI, every comp.sys.sgi subscriber,
> >Would it be possible to just put the page number on one
> >page and then Showcase will automatically paste the page
> >numbers in the next pages?
>
> You would think this would be possible.

It is possible, and I already explained how to do it by
quoting the appropriate section of the manual.

> But Showcase is pretty weak in the more advanced word
> processing features.

To be fair, Showcase is not a word processor.  It is a
mixed-media presentation package.  That it can be used
for simple word processing, drawing, and page layout is
nice, but that's not what it is advertised to do.

> I'd like to see some improved word processing
> capabilities in the future. If anyone at SGI would like
> a wish list let me know.

Everybody has their own wish list of features for
Showcase, but the sad fact is that Showcase can't be
everything everyone wants it to be.  You want to be an
advanced word processor.  Other people want it to be a
professional drawing package ala Freehand or Illustrator.
Others want image editing capabilities like those in
Adobe Photoshop.  Some want a built-in 3D modeler.
Still others want better scripting capabilities, like
those found in HyperCard.  The list of possible
enhancements is endless, all of them are good ones,
and I can assure you the Showcase developers have
heard nearly all of them by now.  The enhancements they
implement are the ones which they think are both
useful, and fit with the product focus -- that of
being a mixed-media presentation system.

I'll shut up now, and let the Showcase team speak for
themselves....

--
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:14310 comp.unix.questions:11571
From: gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: awk problem, a false problem
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:45:14 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I recently posted an article about the maximum line size handled by awk.
After some tests, I found were was my problem.

What I wanted to do was to remove all files x?? from a sub-directory except
the two last created. So I did:

/bin/rm -f \
`/bin/ls -mtr x?? | awk -F, ' { for (i = 1; i <= NF-2; ++i) print $i }`

I believed that the -m option puts all files on a single line, which is not the
case. Some files were missing in the list because awk procesed more than one
line.

I replaced the -mtr option of ls by -tr. One file is written by line in this
case.

I then introduced   tr '\012' ' '   between the ls and awk calls.

This time, everything works fine.

I send this article to illustrate that one should read "carefully" the manuals,
especially if he is not english (I am french).

-- 
Pierre Gaumond.        gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA
Services Informatiques, Universite de Montreal. 
C.P. 6128, Succursale "A", Montreal,            
Quebec, Canada.   H3C 3J7
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 3rd party memory [ not badmouthing impediment ]
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:29:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <Bvo0t3.Bp1@max.physics.sunysb.edu> rocek@max.physics.sunysb.edu writes:

| THere was a post by Dave Olson about doubts about third party memory.
| He seemed to implicate Impediment; I asked him if he was specifically
| talking about Impediment memory, and he said no, he thought the memory
| was from another vendor. I'm sure that more on this subject will be
| discussed here.
| 
| Martin
| (no connection to Impediment, just a satisfied customer).

What I was trying to say in my posting (but obviously didn't make
clear enough), was that the memory was *not* from Impediment, but that
the posting about Impediment gave me a reasonable place to post
a warning about the fact that not all SIMMs are identical in
configuration.  As I said to somebody who sent me email, I really
don't remember the vendors name, and even if I found out, I wouldn't
post it, because for all I know, it was a prototype.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: desilva@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Deanan Da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Moving an ELAN graphics board
Date: 29 Sep 1992 08:57:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tikal.ced.berkeley.edu

Is it possible to move an elan board from a crimson to an
r4k indigo or regular indigo? If so, how hard is it to do?

Thanks,

Deanan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)
Subject: /dev/plp on PIs
Reply-To: mark@cita.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:18:29 GMT

Am I missing something really obvious, or is something missing from the
documentation (I did RTFM), or what?  I have a couple parallel printers
(Centronics-type connectors in back, and a Centronix-to-DB25(M) cable),
which work just fine on various IBM PC type boxes.  However, when I hook
them up to the parallel ports on my PIs, no joy.

I've turned off the lp subsystem (/etc/init.d/lp stop), and tried sending
something to the printer with things like

	echo spam >/dev/plp
and
	cat /etc/passwd >/dev/plp
and
	cp /etc/passwd /dev/plp

and such, but the echo/cat/cp/whatever commands just hang, until aborted
with ^C.  I doubt that it's a cabling problem (SGI's documentation tells
me that the pinout of the parallel port is IBM PC compatible), and it's
also not the case of the parallel port on the PI being sick, since all of
our PIs behave the same way.

So I suspect that I've overlooked something.  Is there any reason I can't
just copy stuff to /dev/plp, given that the lp cruft isn't running?  (And,
for what it's worth, "fuser" also claims that there's no process holding
on to /dev/plp either.)

IRIX 4.0.4 on 4D/20 and 4D/35, by the way.  One possibly-relevant piece of
information is that the parallel port doesn't show up in output from "hinv",
even though the serial ports do.  Does this mean that our PIs don't have a
parallel port (even though there's a connector in the back; there is, after
all, a BNC labeled "genlock" even though we don't have the genlock option),
or just that "hinv" doesn't tell us about them?  (Although we've had various
flavours of PIs over the past three years, this is the first time anyone has
ever tried using the parallel ports on any of them.)

Mark Bartelt                                                   416/978-5619
Canadian Institute for                                mark@cita.toronto.edu
Theoretical Astrophysics                              mark@cita.utoronto.ca

"Sheep not busy being shorn are busy frying" - Dylan, at a NZ lamb barbecue
            [ singing "It's all right, ma (I'm only bleating)" ]
From: schaumat@rocbi.dnet.roche.com (Thomas Schaumann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: INTERESTING QUESTION
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:59:28 GMT

Mike writes:
> Now here's an interesting question (well *I* think so anyway) ...
> 
> Is there any way of persuading programs that will quite happily send their
> output to an X window to send it to an X window on another computer?  I
> mean programs like jot (wonderful) and others that don't have '-display'
> as an option.  If not, why not?????

You have to set the enviroment variable DISPLAY to display-host:0 (with csh
use the setenv or env command.) Be sure to reset the vaiable DISPLAY again
if you want to display on the local host!

BTW jot is not a X program but a GL program and requires a terminal running DGL.

Cheers Tom

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From: ib@ivan.esd.sgi.com (Ivan Bach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: compiling Gnu gcc-2.2.2 on a 4D/35
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:21:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct4.203638.2818@panix.com> cht@panix.com (Chris Taylor)
writes:
> collect: vfork: resource temporarily unavailable
Could you please specify which version of IRIX is installed on your machine 
when you report problems.  vfork is not supported in IRIX as of Release 4.0
(see the man page for vfork).  Since you specified "configure mips-sgi-irix4,"
I assume that you have IRIX 4.X.

You may want to specify:

    #define vfork fork

in those modules which use vfork.  Are you linking your program with shared
(-lgl_s) or unshared (-lgl) libraries?  I am not sure that your free loader
(pun not intended) can handle static shared libraries. 

Ivan Bach, ib@sgi.com
From: dittrich@milton.u.washington.edu (Dave Dittrich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Complaining about 4.0.Xx
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.dittrich.717869369
Organization: University of Washington

olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:

>In <32814@adm.brl.mil> andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu (Kim Andersen) writes:

>| In article  <1992Sep25.112238.856@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,  Rodney Hoinkes
>| <rodney@dgp.toronto.edu> writes:
>| 
>| >  When is this crazy state of affairs going
>| >  to end?...
>| 
>| Hear, hear!  I have not yet upgraded my machines to 4.0.Xx...

>b & c were fixes that affected relatively few people.
>d & e were shipped to very few people (early shipments only),
>and f is the "final" (I promise!) release necessary for 
>r4k indigo and Reality engine, and r3k Indigo starter video.

>d,e, & f only run on restricted hardware, 'c' is being shipped
>only on an as needed patch basis, so almost everybody should
>find 4.0.5B usable and sufficient for the hardware that was
>released by that time.  Some things are hard to control, such
>as a part (DUART) going out of production at the wrong time
>(which was the major change for 'f'), and then the replacement not
>being as compatible as it was supposed to be.

So how can one tell *which* version one has?  My CD-ROMs just say
"IRIX Update 4.0.5" with a part number of "812-0033-010, 7/92" stamped
on the CD.  I had to upgrade to fix a problem with a third party program
that dumped 60MB (yes, MB!) core files when it ran.  Problem is fixed,
but I hope I shouldn't have to expect any more problems.  If I do, how
should I go about getting the "right" version?

Just for the record, I give SGI the benefit of the doubt when delays and
some problems crop up with IRIX.  I do expect, however, that SGI listen
VERY CLOSELY when complaints like these show up.  It doesn't take too
many bad experiences to start to regret a purchase (as I have heard from
my higher-ups on occassion when they ask about "all these upgrades we
have to keep doing.")  I'd hate for that to happen, honestly.
From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Opening an XWindow at a given position
Keywords: X, Window, Position
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:41:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.070030.9674@colorado.edu> michel@testa.Colorado.EDU (Michel Lesoinne) writes:
>Greetings !
>  I have been trying to write a simple X-Winodw program to open
>a window of a given size and given origin. I use the X11R4 hint system
>and it fails to take the PSize or PPosition hints.

Use of the x, y, width, and height members of the XSizeHints structure
is actually obsolete (refer to the ICCCM for the replacement), but
they are left for compatibility reasons.

Many window managers will ignore program-specified hints (e.g. PSize,
PPosition) in favor of user-specified value (e.g. USSize, USPosition).
If you use these flags instead, your window will probably be created
as you want.

Be careful, though.  Your window manager may be changing the geometry
of your window because of a user-specified attribute.  For instance,
the default behavior of 4Dwm is to have interactivePlacement on, in
which case your window shouldn't appear at your program-specified
position.  If you set PSize and PPosition, the user will not be able
to specify a different position.

The ICCCM (Interclient Communications Conventions Manual) talks about
these things, and the delicate balance between users and window
managers and applications.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                 Mike Yang        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
               mikey@sgi.com           415/390-1786
From: HERBER@fnal.fnal.gov (Randolph J. Herber, CD/DCD/USS, x2966)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: /etc/motd (Was: Re: help for man binary) [really /etc/issue]
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:46:39 GMT

+From: Dave Schweisguth <dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu>
+Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
+Subject: Re: /etc/motd (Was: Re: help for man binary) [really /etc/issue]
+Date: 23 Sep 92 02:07:23 GMT
+To:       info-iris@wolf.brl.mil

+Dave Olson (olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com) wrote:
+: Do we *really* need a whole man page for this?

+Heck no. It should be documented in the manpage for the program which reads it,
+and preferably only there. motd should be in the cshrc manpage, which in turn
+should be in the csh manpage. Let's not even get into the shell builtins ...

+| Dave Schweisguth   Yale MB&B & Chemistry   Email: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu |
+| Lab phone: 203-432-5208      Fax: 203-432-6144     Home phone: 203-624-3866 |

The file /etc/motd is "used" by many different programs, e.g. the various
shell programs.  Therefore, your idea of documenting it in the cshrc man page
suffers.

There are versions of the `login' program that displayed /etc/motd.  At that
time, /etc/motd was documented there.  And because /etc/issue was displayed by
the `getty' program, it was documented there.  Now that several different
programs may display these files, the "proper" place would be a issue(4) or
mtod(4) man page.

Randolph J. Herber, herber@fnalf.fnal.gov, +1 708 840 2966
(Speaking for myself and not for US, US DOE, FNAL nor URA.)
(Product, trade, or service marks herein belong to their respective owners.)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: unsubscribe info-iris
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:22:15 GMT

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