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From: bohren@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (arthur william bohren)
Subject: Rolf vs. American Beer | Chris' Harley
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:18:58 GMT


  There have been some comments on Rolf's appreciation of Alaskan beer, so I
thought I'd throw a few ideas out. First of all, the beer he had was not
in a bottle, it was in a glass; this would indicate it was from some keg
behind the bar. While I'm not an expert on beer, it has been my experience
that draft beers(i.e. from a keg) tend to be from the large corporations,
such as Budweiser, and not from small breweries which, I believe, only
sell bottles(of course I could be wrong). Thus, my guess was that Rolf was
sampling a cheap American beer(it didn't look dark at all) which would
taste weak to a German. My other thought was that the writers were giving
us a subtle reference to a Monty Python joke:
         American beer is like making love in a canoe.
         It's fucking close to water.
                               ^^^^^
  As for Chris and his Harley, I saw a couple of symbols in its demise.
First off, there is the obvious use of the death of the Harley as a measure
of Chris' devotion to his new love. He is willing to stand back while his
new love destroys his most precious possesion so they can remain equals
in their new relationship. Secondly, Amy's comments about "It's not the 
thing itself, but your love for it.." were a reference to Chris' own 
sentiments from the cow flinging episode, thus showing the suitabilty
of Amy as Chris' significant other. Lastly, the destruction of Chris' bike
could be the symbol for a change in Chris from his wild and free youth,
as symbolized by the Harley, to a more settled life with Amy.(I'll grant that
this last comment is something of a stretch, but hey, why not overanalyze
everything while I'm at it.)


Arthur Bohren
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From: jberman@jarthur.claremont.edu (Joshua Evans Berman)
Subject: Re: Monday's "Midnight Sun" episode.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.201119.801@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
>In article 39083@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>Is it just me, or does the guy who sold the clothes sound
>>like the narrator for Disney nature films?
>
>Aha!  I think you're right.  All during the show I was attempting to place where I
>I had heard that voice.  By the time I was 10 I had probably absorbed about 30
>hours of thoese Disney films and that voice is kinda ingrained in my long term
>memory, but I just couldn't figure out from where.

When I was listening to him I thought he sounded like the voice of the
cartoon character "Balloo" on Disney's TaleSpin.
Just my $0.02
____________________________________________________________________
Josh Berman                             jberman@jarthur.claremont.edu
Platt Campus Center - Harvey Mudd College
340 East Foothill Blvd.             
Claremont, CA 91711             (714)-398-4264
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From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: O'Connell and Fleischman
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Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Distribution: alt
Date:  9 Oct 1992 16:24 MST  

In article <1992Oct9.180204.16849@cs.tulane.edu>, toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten) writes...
{In article <HRP.92Oct9102756@pecan03.cray.com> hrp@cray.com (Hal Peterson) writes:
{>I've been hearing a lot of speculation about those two getting
{>together, and the show certainly did spend a lot of time building up
{>to it in the first couple of seasons.  But didn't they resolve that
{>whole plot line at the end of last season?  Now that they've resolved
{>the standard sitcom problem (how to get the stars in bed together) in
{>a nonstandard way (they don't), they can move on to cover new ground,
{>exploring the other possibilities in the relationship.
{ 
{	Actually, I would say that absolutely NOTHING was solved

Though very well discussed, this is still one of the most amusing subjects 
bantered around about this show. And I agree. I don't think anything was 
solved or resolved.  If anything, it just became more complicatd.

 I'd say the torch is still burning with the
{same intensity we've seen all along.

I agree with that too.

And let me add my own "pontifications"--perhaps the writers/producers are 
trying to do something original--actually allow the characters to fall in love 
with each other as opposed to merely lusting after each other. Lust is amusing, 
granted (which is about what the Juneau trip amounted to), but I think when the 
dust settles Joel & Maggie will end up together. There may be peaks and valleys 
along the way (this Bubble guy could prove an interesting complication), but 
EVENTUALLY (read "end of series") I think they will stroll off into the 
proverbial sunset together.

The asst. executive producer has said that this Bubble guy will have a very "
close" relationship with Maggie. SO, perhaps it will take Maggie becoming 
infatuated with someone else for Joel to figure out his own feelings. Who 
knows. Should be interesting though...
{ 
{I would hate to see them become boring in any case. They remain my favorite 
component of the show.

Heather
___________________________________________
"In your _dreams_, Fleischman"
From: waynebro@romeo.caltech.edu (Broughton, Wayne Jeremy)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Number theory
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:50:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <Bw6L1M.FFy@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, cucem@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Mattingly) writes...
>I agree that it was nice to see a woman of the mathematical persuasion,
>and although Chris' patented MathBabble(tm) did its job and completely
>nauseated me and thus prevented any enjoyment of seeing a living
>breathing mathbabe on NEXP, I was surprised to hear about her new-agey
>theory that if she could just calculate pi to a few more godzillion
>places, she'd get "a message from beyond" or whatever, since this is the
>kernel of the plot of the Carl Sagan novel "Contact":  A woman
>calculates pi out further than ever before and comes upon a series of
>ones and zeroes which contained the plans for a ship that would take
>four people to some planet where the people that made the universe used
>to live or something.  It was a very good book and I think that this
>might be where the big pi idea came from in this episode.  Any thoughts?
> 
Two:  1) The "Contact" has been mentioned already, and I agree that it
was probably the source of the idea;
      2) You've gotten the book's story a bit confused: the ship plans
came from a radio message from space; what pi contained (in base 11
expansion) was supposedly a picture of a circle (in 0's and 1's).

Just my Ca$0.02,

Wayne. 
**********************************************************************

Wayne J. Broughton                 Take the road less travelled by.  
waynebro@juliet.caltech.edu    
Department of Mathematics,
Caltech, Pasadena, CA  91125

Caltech has no idea what my opinions are;  
they think I'm working right now...
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.001819.22566@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>The clock fixer guy reminded me of "Dieter" from "Saturday Night Live"
>from a few years back.

But he didn't have a monkey....


--
"Moors."  "Moops."  "Moors."  "Moops."  Psssssssssssss.....
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Midnight Sun Episode
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:00:39 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>that the native Cicelians were DUMBER THAN JOEL!!!!

I was surprised to hear him casually use the word "onomatopoetic".  It
struck me in the episode that Chris and Joel had traded bodies - Chris
was gloomy and depressed about the game, and Joel was cheeful and
talking like Chris - he even announced at KBHR...

Another example of fiction being stranger than truth.

-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Where am I?  In the village...  What do you want?  Information...
From: lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Rosser)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Products on NeXP
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:12:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

So...with all the products that are "flashed" on Northern Exposure, what about 
this one: Everyone in Chris' life drives a Volvo 240 station wagon. Not
exactly a mainstream kind of vehicle, but Bernard drives one in several
episodes last season(a newer blue one) and now Amy drives one...which is
rather old, so I doubt Volvo is supplying them to the show for promotional
purposes. What does it mean? Does it matter?

 -Alex Rosser
  lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu
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From: mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy)
Subject: Re: missing kids of Cicely mystery; parakeet?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:41:15 GMT

In article <16317@mindlink.bc.ca> Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>> Jan Hastrup writes:
>> I thought the "parakeet" in the 10/12 episode was a prop, and a
>> poor one at that.
>
>Ditto that for the "dog" or whatever that was that Chris ran over at the
>beginning of the show.
>

What, you thought they'd actually use a real dead dog?  How inhumane!  *grin* 
I can imagine the producers of this show going through pet cemetaries digging
up graves... :)  Maybe that's the reason they didn't fling a COW, because
trying to substitute a fake cow for a real one wouldn't have looked natural
(like those stuffed cats in SNL...).

M.
"Tastes like Robitussin."

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Maggie a babe
Keywords: babe maggie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:39:42 GMT

In article <jp.2@usafa.af.mil> jp@usafa.af.mil (J P) writes:
>How many you out there think Maggie is a babe?

Nope.
But I do think the terminology (lingo) is in keeping with the show
(ala Shelley) Re: Ellen's comment.

References on Alaska no longer being a wilderness area:
	Colin Fletcher, The Secret Worlds of Colin Fletcher, 1988.
	John McPhee, Coming into the Country, (late 1970s).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Episode 10/12
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:11:23 GMT

In article <92287.142825JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <fqnpy!=@lynx.unm.edu>, gworrell@carina.unm.edu (Gayla M. Worrell)
>says:
>>
>>In article <drenze.718989753@icaen.uiowa.edu> drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas
>>J
>>>Also, the motorcycle thing...does anybody see a parallel here to the
>>>zanyness of the cow-throwing-thang from last season?  Are we getting
>>>repititious?
>>>
>>YES, YES, YES
>>I sat through the scene in over and over in my mind I kept hearing the line...
>>"It's not what you fling...but the fling itself"
>>
>>                                Gayla
>NO, NO, NO
>We are not getting repetitious.  Although there is certainly a surface
>similarity between the two incidents, a closer look reveals that there
>are major differences.  To begin with, in the case of Chris' bike, it
>IS the thing that is flung; we're talking about Chris' most prized
>possession.  Remember the sonnet he wrote on his hawg?  How he talked
>about his hawg while he tried to teach Marilyn how to drive?
>
>The point here is sacrifice.

Repititious maybe, but that's the point.  It's keeping with Chris' 
  character.  Aren't we all repititious to a point? 
-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Schweers                         jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu
                                      Aggieland, Texas
"Technology high, on the leading edge of life." 
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From: 95jds@williams.edu (Jon D Stahl)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:31:07 GMT

(stuff deleted)
>
>Yeah, would Maurice really give that sappy speech to Rolf?  That I
>don't know.  Would Chris fling his bike?  Maybe.

I definitely think that Chris would toss his harley into the unspoiled
oblivion, even though it's not very environmentally conscious of him.
Remember, he has a previously established tendency towards flinging
things through the air for dubious reasons. Moo!

It seems to me that Maurice in this episode was more like a caricature
of himself than in character.  But Rolf is great.  More of him could
wear out pretty fast though.

And I for one didn't care about not seeing much of Joel and Maggie
this week-- they're not my favorite characters anyway. (Adam would
have to be at the top of my list. When is he coming back?)

Jon Stahl.

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From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: Rolf vs. American Beer | Chris' Harley
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.221858.29393@cis.ohio-state.edu> bohren@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (arthur william bohren) writes:
>  There have been some comments on Rolf's appreciation of Alaskan beer, so I
>thought I'd throw a few ideas out. First of all, the beer he had was not
>in a bottle, it was in a glass; this would indicate it was from some keg
>behind the bar. While I'm not an expert on beer, it has been my experience
>that draft beers(i.e. from a keg) tend to be from the large corporations,
>such as Budweiser, and not from small breweries which, I believe, only
>sell bottles(of course I could be wrong). 

Nice thought, but in the NW this is totally not the case.  The BEST beer can
ONLY be drunk from a keg; various cask-conditioned brews, brewpub brews, and
obscure ales like Full Sale Brown only come in kegs.

>Thus, my guess was that Rolf was
>sampling a cheap American beer(it didn't look dark at all) which would
>taste weak to a German. 

Looked like a lighter microbrew to me; too bad they didn't give him something
like Grant's Imperial Stout, brewed in Yakima (bottles, kegs at finer taverns).

Not [yet] affiliated with the beer industry,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
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From: palmerp@math.orst.edu (Paul A Palmer)
Subject: Re: Number theory: Pi
Reply-To: Paul Palmer <palmerp@math.orst.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Math, Oregon State University
	<1992Oct14.190433.27643@nas.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:37:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.190433.27643@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

   It was pointed out to me (surprise!) by a fellow who works at a computer
   company which MUST remain nameless that were is also a very interesting
   article on Pi in the New Yorker from late last year on Pi.  The article
   was about the Chudnowsky brothers at Columbia, their attempt to build
   a fast machine, and their problems.  A literature search can yield the
   specific month. 

It's March 2, 1992, pages 36-67. A very interesting article.

--
Paul Palmer
Department of Mathematics     	E-mail: palmerp@math.orst.edu
Kidder Hall 368
Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon 97331-4605
From: a3850@mindlink.bc.ca (Martin L'Heureux)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Maggie and Joel's regressing relationship
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:13:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I don't know about you, but I thought last year's Adam-gets-married episode
would have been a perfect way to end the season. It brought Maggie and Joel
to a nice transition point, and it made me look forward to season three.

Well, they saddled us with a melodramatic (if well done) foundation-of-Cicely
season-closer. When season three rolled around, I was expecting Maggie and
Joel's relationship to have progressed beyond what it had been.

Not so. Same old antagonism, if only a bit toned down. What happened to
"You're a great kisser."? It's like they went back in time.

In the past, I've noticed that NEXP had the courage to move away even from
winning formula (Maggie and Joel fight, they get closer during the episode,
they go for a drink at the end) in order to stay fresh. I can only hope the
writers have something incredible planned, because what I've seen of this
season doesn't inspire confidence.

Great shows have died embarrassing death from running too long (think of all
those perfectly awful NEWHART episodes at the end). "It's better to burn out
than fade away..."

But then, heh, maybe I'm wrong... :-)

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From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee)
Subject: Re: Rolf, Ed, and Cultural Stereotypes
Keywords: Native Americans, Germans, Rolf, Ed, Stereotypes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.174958.14354@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dschenke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis L Schenkel) writes:
|> I thought it was interesting to see Rolf's preconceived notions of Native 
|> Americans from _Dances_with_Wolves_ and as people who make native artifacts.  
|> On the flipside, it was fun to watch Ed's preconceived notions of Germans as 
|> always being the 'bad guys' in films. Every film about German characters in 
|> Ed's library dealt with Gerbles (sp), the Nazi war criminal.  What a hoot!
|> 
|> Did anyone else notice the playfullness of that scene?
|> 
|> Dennis Schenkel
|> English Graduate Student
|> Ohio State University
|> 
|> Standard disclaimers apply.
|> -- 

Mengele, not Goebbels.
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From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Originator: bcasper@c00752-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:23:19 GMT


zgilbert@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Zvi Gilbert) writes:
|>Anyone notice that Ed was wearing a Fishbone shirt during the pinball scene
|>and subsequent ones?

No, but I did notice that the 1989 model solid state Williams "Cyclone"
pinball machine was making electromechanical chime noises while he was
playing...  Why would they make this auditory dub?   Sacralige!


My .02 about the death of the Hog...  No girl is worth trashing a bike over.
This discussion has taken place on rec.motorcycles.harley as well.


-- 
-- 
Brian Casper                |   "I like to study psychologists.  It gives
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
From: timmi@asylum.sf.ca.us (Timothy G. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Sacrilege! Blasphemy!
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: timmi@babyoil.ftp.com
Distribution: na
NNTP-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

>Possible bad effects on hikers and animals ( some of that stuff is
>probably sharp ), and it is aesthetically displeasing.
>
>Oh, well.

Not to mention that it was running when they dropped it, which means
it's down there leaking gas and oil.  Maybe a miniscule amount in
comparison to the exxon valdez type of spill, but it's still a Bad
Thing(tm)
--
Timothy G. Reynolds					FTP Software
FTP Technical Support					2 High Street
timmi-etc@ftp.com					N. Andover, MA
(508) 685-3600							01845

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From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Subject: Re: Episde 10/12 and other stuff
Organization: AT&T/NCR, Lincroft, NJ, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:04:10 GMT

No i really ment "clock fixer" and shelly.  i did not detect any interest
between him and ed.  i took it as goofy male bonding that ed does.

what made many posters think that i had erred in my original post.

reg
From: dooley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Katherine Dooley)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Rosalyn Beer
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:17:38 GMT
Reply-To: dooley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Katherine Dooley)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

On our visit to Rosalyn, Washington this summer, we had a
good beer that was brewed right in town - just two doors
away from the good docs office.

I haven't seen Rosalyn beer on the show, yet.

Kathy
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From: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Subject: Re: Maggie a babe
Reply-To: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<1992Oct9.045614.11002@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:20:08 GMT

>>>>> "MO" == Michael Olin <molin@crs.cl.msu.edu> writes:

  MO> merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt) writes:

>I can't even remember the type of car she was selling.

  MO> You won't see her doing many more car commercials if she keeps
  MO> that up.  One of the most popular ad flights of the 60s was "I
  MO> can't believe I at the whooooooooole thing!"  EVERYBODY was
  MO> saying it.  (ala Clara Peller's "Where's the beef?")  But very
  MO> few people remembered while they were saing it that it was an
  MO> AlkaSeltzer ad...

Hmmm, I can't disagree with your main point about what advertisers
want from their ads.  But I heartily dispute the example -- I thought
*everybody* knew that that was AlkaSeltzer.  As also, BTW, were
"That's a spicy meatball!" and "Try it, you'll like it."
--
Mitch Marks    mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
  My uncle is sick, but the road is green.
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Episode 10/12
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:16:18 GMT

In article <drenze.718989753@icaen.uiowa.edu> drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze) writes:
>Just a few minor notes.  Why was I in no way surprised that Maurice initially
>flipped out when a 420-year-old clock gained a mere 6-8 minutes per day?
>Also, the motorcycle thing...does anybody see a parallel here to the
>zanyness of the cow-throwing-thang from last season?  Are we getting
>repititious?

Well, Chris could build a small catapult and have toy cow throwing!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Simon
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From: Perrin@max.Acadiau.ca (Louise Perrin)
Subject: Re: Monday's "Midnight Sun" episode.
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: RRCNS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:46:10 GMT

In article <104200004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug
Quarnstrom) wrote:
Stuff deleted> 
> Well, I have never been to Alaska, but I can tell you that even
> if you go only as far north as Jasper Park in B.C.,

Oops - guess you were so enthralled by the scenery you forgot to notice
that Jasper is in Alberta!!!

Just another case of misplaced parks!!

> 
> doug


Louise

Quilts are a way to give warm hugs to those you love when you can't be
there.