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From: ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
Subject: U.S. Government Releases Directory of Education Resources
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:54:01 GMT

Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Energy.

 Federal Government Releases Directory of Education Resources
 To: National Desk, Education Writer
 Contact: Steven E. Fried of the U.S. Department of Energy,
          202-586-5806

   WASHINGTON, Jan. 6  -- For the first time ever, 
American students, teachers and parents will have
access to a comprehensive listing of educational resources in
their local area, as well as throughout the nation.  The "Guidebook
to Excellence: A Directory of Federal Facilities and Other Resources
for Mathematics and Science Education Improvement" was released
today at a White House press conference.
   Copies of the guidebook may be obtained by calling or writing
the contact listed below.
   James D. Watkins, secretary of energy and chairman of the
Federal Coordinating Council for Science, Engineering, and
Technology, Committee on Education and Human Resources (FCCSET-CEHR)
hailed the guidebook as "An impressive achievement in the
government's quest to make the most of its resources, and improve
mathematics, engineering, technology and science education in
America."
   Watkins added, "imagine how useful the guidebook will be.  A
teacher or parent anywhere in the U.S. can now look up those
nearby federal laboratories and other state and regional
facilities that sponsor science and mathematics initiatives, and
obtain the name and phone number of someone who can help.  Using
this directory, students of all ages will be able to take
advantage of the tremendous scientific resources the federal
government has to offer."
   On Nov. 16, 1992, President Bush signed Executive Order 12821
on Improving Mathematics and Science Education in Support of the
National Education Goals, making education part of the mission of
each federal agency and empowering those agencies to utilize
their resources to improve science and mathematics education in
America.  The Guidebook to Excellence enables teachers, parents
and students to take advantage of the federal laboratories,
scientists and equipment made available by the Executive Order.
   Educators, parents and anyone else wishing to receive a copy
of the Guidebook to Excellence should call 615-576-8401, or write
to the Office of Scientific and Technical Information, P.O. Box 62,
Oak Ridge, Tenn.  37831.
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From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.education,sci.edu
Subject: Smart kids (Was Re: Magnet schools)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:23:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan8.222319.19498
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes:

>I am not talking about everage children. There are those who know
>advanced calculus before they ever enter high school.

>The interrelational problems between those children and their classmates
>are still greater.

Or what about this kid, in a school where (s)he is put down by his, peers,
and in some cases by his parents, because he would not 'fit-in'. A kid
I was a mentor to this summer, (est IQ over 135) didn't want to get good
grades because he felt that he would not have any friends, and he did not
want to be a 'nurd and geek' ,his words, Also he had to make a choise between
basketball EVERYNIGHT of the week or homework, the school (big into
sports) and his parents felt that his basketball was more important and
these are direct observations and conservations with the school and his
parents, not my opion.

His math teacher was the only one who seemed to care, but she was new,
and (I can't blame her) didn't want to risk loosing her job. Both his
history and english teachers were basketball coaches.

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.education,sci.edu
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: Smart kids (Was Re: Magnet schools)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:15:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1993Jan09.044413.6830@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>In article <Jan09.011315.62346@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman) writes:

... .stuff deleted....

>>I'm not entirely certain that extracurricular activities aren't as 
>>important as academics in the situation of a tremendously gifted child.
>>Of course, being pushed into something is another story.  A student
>>like this needs balance in his life more than anything.  Athletics
>>(that's what was mentioned here) can provide that along with other
>>experiences that can teach him as much as any classroom ever could.  if
>>the kid likes something other than academics, let him at it. 
>
>    There appears to be this traditional belief that all academics makes
>a bad person.   While I sort of agree with this point of view, it also
>seems like all athletics isn't necessarily good.   People admire those
>who can accomplish in athletics, but deride those who do well in
>academics.   How often do you hear "All that athletics is bad for the
>boy, he should study more" and how often do you hear "All that studying
>is bad for the boy, he should go out and play sports".   Making fun of
>those who try to do well academically ends up resulting in a society where
>it's OK to be dumb.   I agree that there ought to be some balance, but
>it should work both ways.

I don't think my post gave the impression that I think all athletics
were good.  I really do think there needs to be a balance in one's
life.  My disagreement is the occasional parent or teacher who thinks
that a child should choose the thing he's great at and become really
great at it.  Give them a chance to broaden themselves, then if they
choose as an adult to become Einstein or Jordan, all the better.

Jeff            wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.education
From: kenm@maccs.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Subject: Computerized Testing: Info Requested
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:35:25 GMT


	McMaster University is having to abandon its currently-supported
computerized-testing system because we are doing away with the VAX/VMS
systems that it is run on.

	Before we run out an buy a new testing package or invest the time
and money into recoding/porting our old system, we are considering whether
we should even provide this service.

	I would greatly appreciate information from faculty, students and
staff from other universities and colleges about how on-line testing (ie.
test written and scored on computers, for non-computer courses) is used.
Any suggestions of MS-DOS- or Unix-based packages (commercial, shareware, 
in house) would also be very welcome.

	Thank you....


			....Ken Moyle


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Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Integration and Public Schools...
From: forcer@netlink.cts.com (Nicholas Rahaghi)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 23:23:49 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Well here is a subject not too far from the "racial" delimma at hand.

At the school site which I have the fortunate (or not so fortunate) luck 
of being a part of, Students are given a bus ride to travel about 40 
min. to integrate.  People from various places in the county are brought 
over and offered a vigorous program in Computer/Math/Science as "bait" to
get them and make the ride worth it.  Their goal is this ideal:
The "ride-in" kids would get a better education at the same time rubbing 
off on the neighborhood kids, and learning to appreciate them and 
vice-versa.  

Well at first there was a problem.  The teachers, being "top-notch" did 
not want the local kids being less informed to be in their classes. Thus 
the program did not help the local kids. Then the new administration 
changed this and opened and even forced the "locals" into higher-division 
classes. Since most of the bused-in students came from conservative 
backgrounds it made many of them leave to private schools. Many teachers 
also left.(Over 1/4 of the staff in 2 years!) Now the remaining bused-in 
students are'nt getting their top-notch programs due to lack of 
interest, and the local kids are'nt getting much either. No-one is happy 
with this arrangement!


Though it has been somewhat of a failure, It also has had its success. 
There are many people who have enjoyed and have learned much from this 
school. But the question remains, is integration good, and if so how can 
we go about it?

I personally support it because it has worked for me. I have changed 
myself from a conservative "I don't want to be in the same room as 
"them"" person to being a supporter and tutor and I find myself being 
inspired by Malcom X books now. I happy I found my mistakes. But most 
people don't believe it has worked for them. What is wronge?

Thank you!


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Newsgroups: misc.education
From: geirt@Lise.Unit.NO (Geir Torheim)
Subject: Quality of universites in Australia
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:51:52 GMT

Hello,

I am thinking of getting a Master of Science in software engineering.

Of several reasons, I want to go to Australia and study.

It has been very difficult to find info on this here in Norway. And the info I
found, did not make me happy:

The university of Sidney had 22 000 students and 1000 in the teaching staff,
while e.g. MIT had 10 000 students and 2000 in the teaching staff.
(1000 professors). NTH in Norway had 6200 students and 750 professors,
dunno how many in teaching staff. (Year of 91-92)

Anybody who can comment on the quality of Australian universities compared
to European and American universities? 
Which Australian universities would you recommend for an MsC in software 
engineering?


Thanks,

-Geir

PS
  If I posted to the wrong newsgroup, please give me a pointer to the
  correct one(s)!

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Geir Torheim                             email: geirt@lise.unit.no
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Quality of universites in Australia
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:42:54 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: rossi.ee.uts.edu.au

waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (WA Office of Higher Education) writes:

>Geir Torheim (geirt@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
>: Hello,
>: 
>: I am thinking of getting a Master of Science in software engineering.
>: 
>: Of several reasons, I want to go to Australia and study.

Probably of more use might be to find out the number of
post-graduates:undergraduates:teachers rather than just students:professors.
You might like to email cdrane@ee.uts.edu.au to find out about
postgraduate degrees here at UTS in SE too.

-ricko
From: verna@solbourne.com (Verna Kalinski)
Newsgroups: boulder.general
Subject: Fireplace contractor?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:57:12 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilda.solbourne.com

I would like to install a gas log fireplace where I currently have no
fireplace.  Can anyone recommend a contractor?
Thanks in advance.
verna.
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: dweaver@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Daniel Weaver)
Subject: Bridge Group
Summary: New in town and looking for a bridge group
Keywords: Bridge Duplicate
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  6 Jan 93 21:25:00 GMT

To any and all that this interests,  I am a new transplant to the Boulder
area, and enjoy somewhat competitive bridge.  If anyone who reads this post
knows of a group that meets regularly and plays rubber or duplicate bridge
please mail me at dweaver@beagle.colorado.edu or give me a call at 444-0127.
I am not necessarily looking for a highly competitive group, just people who
enjoy the game.

Thanks 
Daniel Weaver
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: sherod@newton.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Free Crib
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:13:29 GMT

I have a crib that I want to get rid of.  Anyone who wants it can come pick
it up.  We are moving in a week and I don't want to have to worry about it.

Scott Herod
sherod@newton.colorado.edu
(303) 449-0585
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: brad@titan.Berkeley.EDU (Brad Garton)
Subject: nntpservers in austin?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: brad@titan.austin.ibm.com  (Brad Garton)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division

Does anyone know of any publicly available nntpservers?

Thanks
Brad 
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From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Various Responses
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:24:33 GMT
Reply-To: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu
Distribution: austin

In article <1993Jan10.173053.29359@wixer.cactus.org> george@wixer.cactus.org  
(George Wenzel) writes:
> Much too much to quote... but I'd have to say I agree with most of Chris's
> points...  Many of which have a bottom line ofmoney being a limited
> resource, and all the day dreaming in the world won't change that.

My primary goal is to do as much for free as possible, and I do think we'll  
do that, it's just that services that consume a lot of resources (such as  
SLIP) are going to have to be charged for.

> I have been running a public access UNIX host for some time.  It takes a
> lot of work, a lot of people helping run the thing, and a LOT of money.
> I charge $10 a month for access ($5 a month for EFF members and students)
> or $50 a year for those wanting to save money.  To some it sounds like a
> lot of money, to many *any* money is too much.  Well, the bottom line for
> me is paying the phone bill, which *I* still pay the majority of... along
> with the rent for the office housing the system.

BBSs in general are this way, Unix machines are no better/no worse.

> I am putting together a group of people to fund an internet connection for
> wixer, as well as other enhancements.  Many people are putting in thousands
> of dollars (and thousands of dollars in time) making things happen.

Good luck.  The more the merrier.

> The goals of the system are connecting people together with a good mix of
> services... free isn't a reasonable cost, it would mean *I* would have to
> fund the whole system.

Well, I have a rather low "reasonable cost," but yes, some things will cost  
money.  

> I am already running a system as you describe here.  No we arn't on the
> internet yet... but thats coming soon.  It's going to be limited, but the
> limits are part of the real world.

Well, I suspect a matter of scale is different.  As I recall Wixer is a  
386/486 machine, whereas we're discussing an network of RISC machines  
including a terminal server and router.  

Chris
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From: jc@underg.ucf.org (Mike Herman)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Free Internet Training
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 19:35:16 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:

> 
> I am thinking of providing FREE Internet training. Probably in my home
> to start out with. This would be for folks relatively new to the Internet
> and would be from a user's point of view.
> 
> We would probably uses Ed Kroll's new book as an optional text. I would
> provide hands on demonstrations of dialup access, SLIP, telnet, ftp,
> archie, etc. Will also evaluate and comment on the various network providers.
> Bring a disk, and I will provide additional public domain text files, and
> software.
> 
> Why can't everyone be a net expert?
> 
> Is there any interest in this?
> 
>                                           -= Max =-
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Im in, sounds like a good idea.

are you sure that your house is big enough???

I  would also be willing to teach what  I know
(which aint much but every little bit helps)

jc

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From: ashcraft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Ashcraft)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Various Responses
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:18:46 GMT
Reply-To: ashcraft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Ashcraft)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ashcraft@minnie.cc.utexas.edu

From: ashcraft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Ashcraft)
From: bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg)
Subject: Re: New Service
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 16:12:13 GMT
Followup-To: austin.public-net

In article <X97wwB1w165w@underg.ucf.org> max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:

# I think you are misunderstanding. What they are talking is about is 10Meg
# for ftping files, not 10Meg of info from all your packets.

This was likely a tough call, balancing demand for bandwidth and disk space
against the need to share it with those who want it.  I will say that by the
standards that I've seen set where resources were rationed, ten megabytes is
low...  Fifteen or twenty megabytes is a more common limit.

# This is the cheapest service yet that I have found for Joe Public in Austin
# to access the Internet to ftp and telnet, although there are some serious
# disadvantages, the lack of SLIP access being the biggest in my opinion.

PLUG: This will likely come up at the January meeting.
Let's vote...  Would you prefer to use a public access Internet system via:

	(1) A shell account on a Unix machine that you dial up.
	(2) A menu on a Unix machine that you dial up.
	(3) A SLIP or PPP extension to your local operating system.
	(4) Telekinesis and astral projection.

Send your replies and I'll post the tally in a week.
Option (4) is already in place :-) but most people don't have the technology
or CPU horsepower to take advantage of it.  Of course, I'm kidding, but I'd
like to hear what people want.  Then, I'd like to hear how we can bring it to
them for less than a king's ransom.
That last line likely has a few of the more vocal chartered accountants who
grace this group reaching for their keyboards.  Rest assured that the good
business sense of market exposure and positive PR is not lost on high tech
companies these days.  We will find people and businesses that will share our
vision...  What we don't know is when that will be.  Please be patient with us
while we deliver what's feasible (and desired) first, for as close to zero
cost to you as we can make it.

Bob
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg)
Subject: Austin Public Net January meeting
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 05:16:06 GMT
Followup-To: austin.public-net
Summary: meeting announcement

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        A U S T I N   P U B L I C   N E T   M E E T I N G   N O T I C E
===============================================================================

	The first official (but really the second) meeting of Austin Public Net
and interested parties will be held on Wednesday, January 20th, 1993, at the
CAD Framework Initiative, 4030 West Braker Lane, Stonelake Bldg. 5, 2nd floor,
in Austin.  The board of directors will meet from 6:30 to 7 or so, with the
public meeting immediately afterwards.
	CFI is, quoting from somebody who should know, "the building directly
across the street from the MCC sign, on Braker Lane between MoPac & 183."
	Austin Public Net is a project intended to bring the resources of the
networked world to Austin, and vice versa.  We, its board of directors, hope
to provide low or no cost Internet access to all who wish it, and to use it as
a tool for intellectual and personal growth and achievement.  The project is
discussed on the Usenet newsgroup austin.public-net.
	Please bring your interest and imagination.  See you there!

Bob
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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Free TCP/IP Info
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:23:05 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation


Confused about TCP/IP? Want more info? Process Software Corp (959 Concord St,
Framington, MA 01701, 1-800-722-7770) is giving away a FREE booklet:

TCP/IP Defined: A Practical Guide to TCP/IP Networking Terms and Concepts

It is described as a comprehensive introduction to the Internet's primary
protocol suite. The guide also includes discussions of Internet addressing,
routing, host addressing, and various TCP/IP services.

I am in no way connected with this business, and am posting this to inform
the masses of a free resource. I have just ordered a copy, but have not
recieved it yet, so I can not vouch for the quality, yet.


                                          -= Max =-

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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: New Service
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:10:56 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli) writes:

> I don't know about anyone else, but I know that 10Mb/month is NOT a "generous
> transfer allocation" in the Internet scheme of things.  I run about 900Mb of 
> stuff between my machine and Internet every month. (This doesn't include  
> general packets, such as Network Time, etc).
> 
> I also don't much care for someone telling me that they are going to play  
> "bean counter" on my packets and make sure I don't exceed what they say I can
> have. The method I prefer is that: if it isn't a problem, don't break it.

I think you are misunderstanding. What they are talking is about is 10Meg
for ftping files, not 10Meg of info from all your packets. Although perhaps
not generous this is probably adequate for the typical user.

There is 9600bps access to this service (through the TYMNET pop), but it is
not supported, however it does work.

This is the cheapest service yet that I have found for Joe Public in Austin
to access the Internet to ftp and telnet, although there are some serious
disadvantages, the lack of SLIP access being the biggest in my opinion.

I do hope that even more useful services appear, perhaps APN, or R/T.

                                          -= Max =-

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