HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Mike McDonnell)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Ray tracing and imagery enhanced terrain modeling.
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:15:43 GMT
Organization: Engineer Topographic Labs, Ft. Belvoir, VA

fred@KIRK.UARK.EDU (W. Fredrick Limp) writes:

>>
>> Subject: Ray tracing and imagery enhanced terrain modeling.
>>
>> Problem:
>> I now what to map images on to a terrain model.  Are there any puplic
>> domain programs or references on performing ray tracing on to 3d surfaces?
>> Has anyone else approached a similar problem.  (aearl@afit.af.mil)

>Dave Gerdes and associates at the Construction Engineering Research
>Labs have done some great 3d terrain visualization stuff which (i think)
> includes ray tracing based on GRASS that is in the
>public domain.

See my reply to the original posting.  I have offered my scanline code
to the GRASS project, but they haven't been in touch.  I am sure that
nothing can beat Robertson's algorithm for speed on general hardware.
If you didn't get my reply to aearl, you can ftp my demo package from
eeyore.tec.army.mil in pub/drape.tar.Z.  Let me know if you like it.

>W. Fredrick Limp,   Director                     FAX: (501) 575-3846
>CAST, Center for Advanced Spatial Technologies   TEL: (501) 575-6159
>12 Ozark Hall, University of Arkansas
>Fayetteville AR 72701                             fred@kirk.uark.edu
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From:         "Keith C. Clarke" <kclarke@RESDGW6.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Map based emergency response system
              response system" (Nov 18,  4:24pm)

To get a three dimensional position fix, a GPS unit needs to
receive signals from four satellites. Given the constellation (almost, but not
quite complete), at least four satellites should be above the horizon
at every point on earth at any time. However, the more of the horizon
that is obscured, the more difficult is is to lock onto the one (or two)
satellites which are either just rising or just falling. Also, with
satellites close to the horizon, the PDOP or position dilution of
precision (error due to the geometry of the 3d fix) is higher, so the
position fix is less accurate.
This is why building, mountains etc on the horizon are a problem for GPS.
kclarke@everest.hunter.cuny.edu
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From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
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Subject: Re: Remote Sensing List Service
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:29:02 GMT
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In article <9211181824.AA17017@sparkie.nrri.umn.edu> pwolter@SPARKIE.NRRI.UMN.EDU (Pete Wolter) writes:
>It is well known that the GIS-L is a terrific reference for GIS folks...
>
>I would like to know if such a service exhists for REMOTE SENSING topics??

IMAGRS-L is a listserver running on CSEARN, that was set up for
discussions of image processing and remote sensing.  The traffic tends to
me quite low, so if you sign up, post something!

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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From:         Jeff Nugent <JLNUGENT@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Reference needed for book on Metadata

I believe I saw reference to a book called Metadata in the Geosciences
on this list some time ago.  Does anyone have a more complete reference,
ISBN, publisher, and price?  Thanks.


Jeff Nugent
State University of New York
College of Environmental Science and Forestry
Syracuse, NY  13210
JLNUGENT@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU
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please subscribe me to the discussion lists...
and TRO1@PSUVM.PSU.EDU wants it too...


Thanks!
From: clh@TFIC.BC.CA (Chris Hermansen)
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Date: 18 Nov 92 16:08:00 GMT
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> "kclarke@everest.hunter.cuny.edu    Keith Clarke" writes
>
>>Just to get the discussion going on this list, I volunteer the
>>following:
>>
>>Geographic BASE data is the ultimate public good. There is almost
>>NO finiancial incentive to make continuous digital map coverages
>>to a consistent standard. On the other hand, the public (and commercial)
>>benefits to having the data available are immense.
>>
>Fair comment.  Try telling that, however, to a financier controlled government
>and administration who have absoluetly no concept that anything can, or should,
>be done except for personal / private gain (and thus profit).  There is no
>'right to know' in the United Kingdom.  Public Service seems now to be an
>obsenity to be purged from memory.  All that matters is the profit entry on the
>balance sheet - and the rate of return on investment.  If there is no financial
>incentive then, it would appear that, government policy is that it is
>unjustifiable.  We are constantly being told that such is a 'fact of commercial
>life' and 'market forces in operation' and 'its in your best interests'.

There may be light at the end of the tunnel, though!  There's a lot of noise
coming out of various places (including no less a bastion of laissez-faire
than the Economist) praising government involvement in "realistic"
infrastructure investment.  Even our free-trading, private enterprise
Conservative government in Canada is making these kinds of noises now.

So, all we have to do is convince the powers that be that digital map
bases are reasonable infrastructure investments...

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
FAX:   1 604 733 0634                   Vancouver B.C. CANADA
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From:         "(Chris Hermansen)" <clh@TFIC.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Map based emergency response system

Duane Marble writes:

>
>OSU has a GPS van (with linked stero TV) but it is not cheap. Franklin
>county is about 50,000 arcs. Want to estimate how long to drive it AND
>collect the address range info?

Sorry, Duane, I didn't mean to be flip - it just seems to me that with all the
driving ambulance and police cars do *anyway*, the cost of acquisition would
be mostly related to gearing up the cars with GPS.  The information so
collected can always be interpreted later (against an ETAK base, for example);
that should also be a relatively reasonable cost.

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
FAX:   1 604 733 0634                   Vancouver B.C. CANADA
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From: i43_ps02@RED.WHOI.EDU (SCHLESINGER, PETER)
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Subject: Re: Pricing of digital map products
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:22:00 GMT
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That sounds like a great idea (Darius). Do you have any public domain data
produced in Europe on New England forests?
Peter Schlesinger
The Woods Hole Research Center
i43_ps02@red.whoi.edu
From: nagle@HANOVER-CRREL.ARMY.MIL (Joyce Anne Nagle)
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Subject: Vector Smart Map
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:24:04 GMT
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   I am interested in knowing if anyone has had any experience with
the Vector Smart Map?  The Vector Smart Map is a series of vector data
sets that are intended to support multiple geographic applications which
require attributed spatial data.
   Any input would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

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Joyce A. Nagle
U.S. Army Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory (CRREL)
Remote Sensing and GIS Center        email:  nagle@hanover-crrel.army.mil
72 Lyme Road                         phone:  (603) 646-4161 / 4100
Hanover, NH  03755-1290              fax:    (603) 646-4278
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From: wen@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Tao Wen)
Subject: Re: Where can I find GRASS?
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:21:08 GMT

young@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Jia-Jang Young) writes:

>I am interesting in the GRASS library.
>One of my friends told me it can be got from the network.
>Does anybody knows where can I get one?
>Thanks in advance.

>Jia-Jang Young
>          

GRASS is at the anonymous ftp site of moon.cecer.army.mil. However, you need 
a lot of space to store it.

Good luck.

T. Wen 
USA Constructional Engineering Research Laboratory
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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      Re: Textbook costs

Trevor Rotzen asks

> Are university texts really that expensive to produce??

There was a recent discussion about this here in Cork, and the concensus
was that (a) yes, text books are expensive to produce; and (b) that the
costs appear to be far less in the US than they are here in Europe. So
that more and more text books used in European universities are authored
and/or published in the US... and inevitably have a strongly North American
bias when it comes to examples, case studies, etc.

This is a general observation, incidentally, not specifically GIS-oriented.

> Are there any initiatives in the works amongst agencies with a GIS
> focus to subsidize digital data and or reference materials such as
> textbooks? NCGIA? Others? At least within the realm of GIS in the
> academic and research environment, it would seem beneficial.

ESRI have produced "Introduction to GIS: the ARC/INFO method", edited
by Hickin, Maguire and Strachan; and Tydac produced a similar book based
around SPANS. Useful texts, but inevitably they tend to be product-specific.
(Clark University similarly produce IDRISI-focussed workbooks).

The ESRI book, incidentally, is 15 Pounds sterling: not exhorbitant, but
still not cheap for undergraduate purposes....

Darius
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: ISBN for Laurini & Thompson's Fundamentals of GIS?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:06:08 GMT

An interesting book but, in my mind, not suitable for a first course
in GIS. Most of the people we see these days want to be users of the
technology and are not interested in this level of technical depth.
The near 50 students in my current Intro to GIS course come from 15
different disciplinary areas and only about ten percent have the
background and interest to appreciate this level of technical discussion
at the first course stage.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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From: phils@athena.mit.edu (Philip R. Thompson)
Subject: GCTP 2.0.X ?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:09:52 GMT


Where can I find the latest version of GCTP?  I hear there's a version
2.0.0 that is out.

Thanks,

Philip
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Subject:      Re: UNLDST?

IDRISI vector files have two important elements. At the beginning of any
file you need to have an first, an integer identifier and two the number
of points that make up the given feature (polygon) or arc. The file then
has a pair of X, Y coordinates for each point creating the feature. The
is maked by 0 0. Remember coordinates are always real numbers the identifier
and number of points are integer. Make sure you ASCII file has no text or commas
   . X Y PAIRS SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY A SPACE. You can use any text editor to ma
   ke
you files compartible with IDRISI vector format. Make sure the vector file has
a .VEC extension copy into your IDRISI data directory, create a document file
by running the DOCUMENT module for vector file. Request the system to calculate
both your max and min X any Y values if you are nor sure, or provide them if
if you have the necessary information. Go a head and draw your map using the
PLOT command.
Caution: This is my first piece of advise on the bulletin board! If things dont
work you can e-mail me again. Thank.
CONTACT: Assaf Anyamba
Clark University
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The IDRISI Project
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From: RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Trevor D. Rotzien)
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Subject: Marine ecologists utilizing GIS
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:56:59 GMT
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FOUND IN THE GIS-L PERSONALS:

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         Desperately Seeking Marine Ecologists Utilizing GIS

SWM, NS, seeking marine ecologist(s) currently utilizing GIS in research,
especially that of coastal marine environmental impact assessment and
associated studies, to end feelings of scientific isolation. I enjoy
long walks on the beach, (for sampling, of course), watching videos, (of
aerial surveys), boating, SCUBA, programming, and data analysis, but
willing & eager to learn more. Race, age, sex unimportant, just
enthusiasm, and a communicative manner required. If interested, please
send snap (of current research interests) and a reply to box RSIU42A@
SAUPM00.BITNET.
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IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, PLEASE REPLY TO:
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trevor d. rotzien         marine science group
k.f.u.p.m. box 118        water resources & environment division
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I have no idea about "Syscan independent format ASCII file" but I believe
the earlier piece of information I sent a few minutes a go should be of help


TRY IT! I  am sure it should work
Assaf Anyamba
From: RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Trevor D. Rotzien)
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Subject: GIS Proceeding Biblio's Wanted
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Salaam!

Are there any generous Internet users out there that:

1.  have free access to ftp sites,

2.  are willing to extract and forward the GIS biblio's mentioned
    alittle while back on GIS-L?


Signed, a data-impoverished BITNET user,

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From: wcsintd7@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Kuciak)
Subject: Re: SPADS or SPANS?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:55:11 GMT

Did someone say SPANS products? There are two.
SPANS MAP is an advanced desktop mapping software, and SPANS GIS is a
full function geographic information system. If you are looking for
further info, contact TYDAC Technologies Inc. They have offices in
Canada, U.S., U.K. and in Swistzerland. Call Erin at (613) 226-5525
in Canada for more info or send your request ve-mail to:
wcsintd6@ccs.carleton.ca

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how do you subscribe to the IMAGRS-L service? DETAILS..
Thank You
Assaf
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I asked this earlier, but it was at the foot of my long-ish posting about
digital data prices and so far I have had no response. I am repeating, in
the hope that somebody out there might know something about the UNLDST
data format (Syscan independent format ASCII files)? I have a student who
hopes to use data obtained in this format with IDRISI. Any suggestions on
how to convert to IDRISI vector format appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Darius Bartlett
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From:         Alan Rea <gwdokokl!ahrea@MAILHOST.ECN.UOKNOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: HELP ... Kenyan data sought ....

>     Whilst I *could* find some UK data for him to work with, it would be FAR
>more useful if I could locate some Kenyan data - that would give him a *real*
>purpose!
>
>     He is interested in animal migration .. and gamekeeping (poacher
 stalking!)
>is there any PD server based data anywhere that I can access to give this guy
>a chance?
>
>     With a big 'thank you' in advance,
>
>Peter Halls
>University of York
>
>
>PJH1@UK.AC.YORK   ... or t'other way about!

I suggest taking a look at the 'glis' index, which is available over the
internet.  (telnet glis.cr.usgs.gov)  They have some data indexed for Africa,
how much and at what resolution, I don't know.

I can send you an info sheet, if you want, or you can just telnet there
yourself.  The use of GLIS is free.  The data may cost you something.

Alan Rea
Hydrologist, USGS
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA


ahrea@gwdokokl.UUCP (Alan Rea) * "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those
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From:         "Eleazer D. Hunt- IRRI" <E.HUNT@CGNET.COM>
Subject:      modelling, statistical, and evaluational modules in GIS

I am interesting in finding out if people have developed what I call modules
that run some form analysis, and that are linked in some way to a GIS software
package.

Now I am not talking about simple macro programs (i.e. SMLs), but more along
the lines of simulation models, land evaluation routines, or decision trees.
I am sure that they exist.  Having put together our GIS facilities, we are no
I am sure that they exist.  Having put together our GIS facilities, we are no
From: clh@TFIC.BC.CA ((Chris Hermansen))
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Subject: Re: Map based emergency response system
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:43:00 GMT
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Hi all;

Any reason why those of you wanting street maps don't buy a GPS and spend a
few days driving around?

Seems like a reasonable approach to me...

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
FAX:   1 604 733 0634                   Vancouver B.C. CANADA
clh@tfic.bc.ca                          V5Z 1E5

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