From: altizer@iam.unibe.ch (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: Penalty shootout queries
Reply-To: altizer@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:54:25 GMT

In article 6nr@shuksan, major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt) writes:
>: 1. Is the first-round order for the list of penalty takers
>: pre-determined? ie does the referee have to have a list of the takers
>: prior to the start of the shootout, or are the teams free to choose
>: who they like on each kick (subject to each kicker being different
>: etc)?
>
>  The 1991 Laws of the Game included a new section on how to control the
>  procedures for "The Taking of Penalty Kicks" to decide the winner of a
>  game.
>
>  The prefered method is for the referee to obtain a list of numbers of
>  the first five kickers, in order, from each coach and then proceed with
>  the kicks. 

Actually, the section on kicks from the penalty mark *NOT "Penalty Kicks"*
has been in the book (Laws of the Game and Universal Guide for Referees) 
published by the USSF for many years.  It's not part of the Laws of the Game,
but a procedural recommendation for use where the rules of competition (e.g.,
a knock-out tournament) call for one team to advance (not be declared the winner).

Only the players on the field at the end of extra time can take part.  The
referee tosses a coin, and whoever wins goes first, no choice.  There is
no preferred method noted in the Guide for determining order, and the referee
has no power to enforce order.  Thus the best thing to do is record the kicker's
number as he comes forward, and the results of his attempt.  The only requirement
is that nobody kicks a second time until all eligible players (including the
keeper) has kicked once.  If a second round is needed (rare, but it happens),
there is no requirement that the order be the same as the first round.

SITUATION:  One team has had a player sent off, and has 10 vs 11 when it's
time for kicks from the mark.  Does their first kicker take his second vs the
opponents' last kicker's first?  ANSWER: Yes. 
> 
>: 2. In the '86 QF between France and Brasil, the penalty kick of
>: Belloni (sp?) was hotly contested because, after hitting the post, the
>: ball rebounded away from the goal, hit the back of the 'keeper and
>: went in the net. The goal was given but the Brasilians contested it on
>: the grounds that the ball was dead as soon as it bounced away from the
>: goal. I believe FIFA issued a clarification regarding this kind of
>: situation. What was the clarification? Should such a kick count as a
>: goal? 
>
>  Yes, the clarification issued was to wait until the it was obvious that
>  no goal would be scored from the movement of the ball.  That means if a
>  the keeper deflects the ball and it spins off rolling toward the goal -
>  wait for the spinning to be complete to see if the motion of the ball
>  carried it into the goal.  Further, any rebounding off the goalposts or
>  crossbar - wait to see if the ball carries into the goal.  
>
>  The clarification says the ball is NOT dead as soon as it bounced away
>  from the goal - unless it's obvious no goal is going to be scored.  If
>  spin or motion of carries it into the goal - its a goal!  
>

This was a real cave in by everybody involved, as the Guide clearly said
the play was done once the ball rebounded into the field of play.  Thus by
rights the second rebound off the Brasilian keeper into the net shouldn't
have been allowed.  The referee didn't have the nerve to make the right call,
and subsequent "clarifications" were not in accord with either the letter of
the Guide or the Spirit of the Game.

(I remember this vividly, because I watched it from a portable TV in the
referee's tent at the Region IV youth tournament in Redmond (Seattle) WA.)

Regards,
Bob

: 
>: --
>: Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com
>: 
>: "It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker
>-- 
>Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
>are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
>America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
>"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."



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