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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Which team is most improved???
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.022112.14499@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.222355.27143@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>>
>>Lets start a debate.  Which team has improved the most this year.

I have to say Montreal, for all the obvious reasons. Worst to second, and
could have been a lot better if not for the poor start to the season.

[stuff deleted about Sox prospects]
>Wedge.)  How many other teams' farm systems produced three
>starting-quality position players this year?  (Of course, the Sox
>*still* aren't producing any pitching.)

probable starting quality players produced by Montreal this year:
Wilfredo Cordero (ss)
Tim Laker / Bob Natal (maybe) (c)
Greg Colbrunn (1b)
Moises Alou (of)

and probably Kent Bottenfield (RHP)

Simon

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From: jg10@prism.gatech.EDU (GILMORE,JOHN F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Playoff Tickets
Keywords: baseball
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:14:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


     Use of money orders or cashier's checks for playoff tickets isn't that
unusal when you buy the tickets direct from the team versus a ticket agency.
The Braves last year required a cashier's check or money order for the tickets
they sold to season ticket holders and special team booster groups.


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From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Unusual Display of Common Sense by Chicago Tribune
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:50:16 GMT

In article <steph.717719354@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <1992Sep27.175617.8076@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
>>Miracle of miracles: The Tribune's report on the Cubs this week says
>>that, though Bell has hit 108 RBIs with the Sox, that is mostly because
>>of Thomas; they predicted he'd only hit 75 RBIs or so for the Cubs, given
>>that Dawson is hitting better than Bell but only has 85 RBIs.  Not only
>>that, but the paper admitted that having Sosa and Dunston healthy wouldn't
>>have made a difference.
>
>I was amazed to read this in the Trib.  Such a display of good sense is very
>rare.  I remember the beginning of the year, when Bernie "Should be 
>Unemployed" Lincicome wrote that Frank Thomas should be more like George Bell
>at the plate.
>Imagine...

Two days in a row now, can they keep it up?

This time, they're talking about the Gold Glove decision at second base.
They acknowledge that Lind only has six errors, while Sandberg has seven,
but argue that Sandberg should get the Glove because he leads the league
in assists, 100 ahead of Lind.

On the other hand, they quote Gene Lamont as saying that Frank Thomas as
the White Sox player that most surprised him this season: "I didn't think
he was such a good hitter."  So much my feeling that the Sox could do it
next season.

Interesting note: both Sparky Anderson and Tom Kelly moved into first
place as the all-time winningest manager in their team's history (though
now that I think about it, I would guess that Kelly's record may not
include the years the franchise was in Washington).  On the same day.
This, I imagine, has to be a first, at least for two franchises older
than twenty years.
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From: rileyrm@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Subject: Re: Whats Wrong With the Dodgers, Part 25
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:30:18 GMT

Distribution: world

In article <1abfg7INNe4m@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)  
writes:
> What ISN'T wrong with the Dodgers may be more like it....but
> here is yet another thing wrong with the Dodgers....the "braintrust"
> making the big decisions....take this example.
> 
> The Dodgers will move Pedro Astacio to the bullpen.  They believe
> that Pedro Martinez has better stuff.  
> 
> Well....who knows...that may be.  But meanwhile, Astacio just pitched
> his FOURTH complete game shut out tonight...this one a three hitter...
> against a Reds team that was struggling to remain alive in the
> pennant race.  Astacio's fourth shut out in something like 8 starts, and
> yet the Dodgers don't think he has good enough stuff to be a starter
> next year.  Is it any wonder the team that Fred Claire built is
> in last place....the first time since 1905 a Dodger team has finished
> last!!!
> 
> First thing the Dodgers should do to improve themselves....FIRE
> FRED CLAIRE.
> 
> 					BleedsDodgerBlue
Mr. Dodger, I like your style.  I , like you, love the Dodgers.  The only  
problem is that I live in Ohio...reds territory.  I get harassed on so bad  
that I love them btu I am not one of these sunshine patriots like they  
are.  No one liked the reds until they won a series.  I have loved the  
Dodgers since 1982.  Orel Hershiser is my favorite, hands down.
In reponse to some of your comments,  have you ever noticed that the year  
after the blue finish bad the next year they finish real good?
I can't wait.  The only thing that has killed them has been more errors  
than a fourth grader makes in typing a 50 page essay.  Their pitching  
staff is awesome.  Plus, next year another Martinez is supposedly coming  
up.  That will only leave the youngest brother in the minors (also with  
the Dodgers)

Comments?

Ryan Riley
"the Cowboy"

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From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Subject: Re: National League MVP thoughts...
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:56:29 GMT


To add my $.02 to the MVP voting I have a simple question to everyone
in net land.

Would you rather have a 3Bman with slightly above average stats and 
a great clubhouse leader(whatever that means), or the LF with the 
most obscene stats since Brett's 80 and Schmidt's 81 seasons.

Enough said.

DeSheilds and Grissom are better choices than Pendelton.(IMO)

Maybe even a pitcher or five.

Bonds is the MVP even if he doesn't get a stupid trophy saying so.
And I hate the Pirates.

John
Next Year the promised land is ours Hahahahahaha
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Kill the Catcher
Date: 25 Sep 92 19:33:32 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

One thing that I was trying to figure out is why this happens at home plate
and rarely anywhere else.  Among the things that I thought of:
  1) There's usually no reason for it to come up in a force situation.  Fielders
     touch the bag and the play is over.  Force plays are fairly rare at the
     plate.
  2) Fielders at other bases do not typically block the bag in any real fashion,
     other than maybe to block with a foot or a glove.  There is ample 
     opportunity for runners to slide.  Catchers tend to set themselves up like
     hockey goalies blocking the whole plate with their bodies.  There is no 
     room to slide.  Sometimes there's not even room to run legally down the
     line towards the plate.
  3) Runners are more aggressive in reaching the plate because the rewards for
     reaching the plate are clearly greater than the other bases.  This is
     magnified if there are two outs.
  4) Runners are embarrassed about getting caught at the plate and take it out
     on the catcher.
  5) Runners are jerks.

  Other reasons?


My feeling is that if catchers are going to not allow access to the plate, then
the runners don't have much choice but to go through them.  If you take the
time to try to go widely around them on a close play, you're going to be out.
You're not often going to make it on a slide.

On a side note:
Regarding Caminiti and Olson, it wouldn't have been so bad if Olson hadn't 
gotten his cleat caught.  Nobody's talking about the play the next day when 
a runner bowled over Scott Servais (without dislodging the ball or breaking
any bones) at the plate.  After the collision, Servais smiled and proudly 
held ball between his thumb and index finger for the ump.
-- 
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: odd questions
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:51:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep29.185135.939
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep28.210144.12196@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri  
Nichols) writes:
> Actually, The Sporting News has for the last several years published books
> of box scores, one for each league.  They started in 1985, I believe, and
> have published every year since.  The last couple of years, the books have
> included the "official" stats as well.  However, since I heard that TSN
> isn't printing box scores anymore, I don't know if they'll publish the box
> score books for this year.

They don't know either. I asked.
I'm hoping that they will continue to do so, 
but who knows what they're thinking.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Can somebody post the score?
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct7.005500.952
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

I'm stuck here in the computer lab with no television nearby.  Can some
kind soul post the score of tonight's NLCS when there is something
interesting to report?

Much appreciated.

--SE
From: aclark@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Allen Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Playoff Tickets
Keywords: $$
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:03:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrwat.9967
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

Well I received my tickets to game one of the ALCS at Skydome
yesterday and I have a few comments on the process the Blue Jays used
to offer them to the public.

1) For the regular season good and bad seats are offered to the
public, when the playoffs roll around the average guy gets offered the
crap (believe me in Skydome the crap is CRAP!!).

2) I shelled out $24.00 (CDN) for a ticket that is $4.00 in the
regular season. (I know the league sets the prices but WOW, I wonder
what the $17.50 or $22.00 tix go for?)

3) If the Jays do not make the playoffs I do not get a full refund (I
lose an admin. fee)

4) They did not accept any credit cards or personal cheques.  This
forced me to spend even more money on a money order.

5) Here is the kicker, the one that is unbelievable...I had to include
a stamped addressed envelope!  They would not even send me the tix
($0.42 for a stamp).  

I gues the Blue Jays want to save every precious $1.00 to pump back
into the organization to pay the millionaires for next year...

However, I am thrilled to be going to game 1 of the ALCS and would do
it all again to get tickets.  I guess if there were less saps like
myself they might be forced to improve the process.

Sigh...the plight of a baseball fan.
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From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Oakland as King-Maker?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:17:45 GMT

From article <1992Sep30.155839.5988@midway.uchicago.edu>, by thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell):
> Interesting situation:
> 
> The last three games of Milwaukee's season are in Oakland.
> 
> Oakland could control who they get to face in the playoffs--it's to their
> advantage to make the race in the East as close as possible (and maybe
> even come to the 163d game).  The more important those last three games
> are to Milwaukee and Toronto, the more likely they are to use importnat
> pitchers and have them tired out for the seven game series...

I've had some time to think about the possibility since I had the schedule
and thus knew what was coming over two weeks ago. The way I see it is LaRussa
will do his best to win while at the same time resting only one key player
a game. The reason being that Milwaukee basically kicked Oakland's butt in the
three game series last played in Milwaukee(just a week ago). Furthermore,
although I'm not sure, I think Milwaukee has a winning record against Oakland.
On the other hand Oakland has the winning record against Toronto. Thus if I
was LaRussa I'd want to face Toronto more than Milwaukee simply based on the
season matchups.

Besides which I believe at least Toronto already has their pitching matchups
set for the final three days such that Morris is supposed to start the first
game of the ALCS. I think its Guzman,Morris,Key giving Morris three days rest
between his final start and the beginning of the ALCS. If there was an extra
game than Cone would probably pitch it. This would still leave Morris to
start, Key and Cone would than flip-flop in the order for the ALCS. Thus giving
a rotation of Morris-Key-Cone, which isn't any worse IMO than Morris-Cone-Key.

> -- 
>            .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
>           ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
>          the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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Go Habs!!!
From: sullis@RPI.EDU (Sean C. Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: REPOST:  List of Major League Baseball Stadiums
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:40:48 GMT

#
#  I will be submitting this file to the baseball archive
#  at wuarchive.wustl.edu
#
#  Additions, corrections, comments:  sullis@rpi.edu
#  Flames > /dev/null
#

==============================
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STADIUMS
==============================

[Note:  this information is current
        as of the 1992 baseball season]

TEAM                      STADIUM NAME                   CAPACITY
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Atlanta Braves            Fulton County                  52,007
Baltimore Orioles         Oriole Park at Camden Yards    47,000
Boston Red Sox            Fenway Park                    34,142
California Angels         Anaheim                        64,593
Chicago Cubs              Wrigley Field                  38,710
Chicago White Sox         Comiskey Park                  44,702
Cincinnati Reds           Riverfront                     52,952
Cleveland Indians         Cleveland                      74,483
Detroit Tigers            Tiger                          52,416
Houston Astros            Astrodome                      54,816
Kansas City Royals        Royals                         40,625
Los Angeles Dodgers       Dodger                         56,000
Milwaukee Brewers         County Stadium                 53,192
Minnesota Twins           Metrodome                      55,883
Montreal Expos            Olympic                        43,739
New York Mets             Shea                           55,601
New York Yankees          Yankee                         57,545
Oakland Athletics         Oakland Coliseum               47,313
Philadelphia Phillies     Veterans                       62,382
Pittsburgh Pirates        Three Rivers                   58,729
St. Louis Cardinals       Busch                          56,227
San Diego Padres          Jack Murphy                    59,022
San Francisco Giants      Candlestick Park               62,000
Seattle Mariners          Kingdome                       57,748
Texas Rangers             Arlington Stadium              43,521
Toronto Blue Jays         Skydome                        50,516
From: mikef@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: post
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:30:27 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I don't see anyone commenting on George Brett's 3000th (maybe some have, as 
I haven't read them all, anyway...)

You have to admire the drive he's had the last couple weeks, highlighted by 
a 4-4 night to reach the milestone.  All of this with a shoulder injury 
that could have ended his season.

I'm looking for a discussion whether this means he'll retire or not.  Any 
guesses?  I think he's done and will join Rush Limbaugh on t.v.
From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: avoiding the cellar (corrected)
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Dodgers, cellar
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:52:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

                The Longest-Streak-Ever ends
               Third-Longest-Streak also ends

     This listing is corrected; I apologize to the Indians (and their fans)
for placing them 5th in the origianl posting.  They have the 4th-longest 
streak, ahead of the Yankess.  
     Please e-mail any other omissions/corrections.  

                                                                    Length of
    Team           In cellar    Streak NOT in cellar   In cellar     streak 
----------------   ---------    --------------------   ---------    ---------
Bklyn/LA Dodgers    1905        1906 to 1991            1992        86 years 
St.L. Cardinals     1918        1919 to 1989            1990        71 years
Boston Red Sox      1932        1933 to 1991            1992        59 years
Cleveland Indians   1914        1915 to 1968            1969        54 years
NY Yankees          1912        1913 to 1965            1966        53 years
Detroit Tigers       **         1901 to 1951            1952        51 years
Chicago Cubs         **         1876 to 1924            1925        49 years
Cinc. Reds          1937        1938 to 1981            1982        44 years
Bos/Mil/Atl Braves  1935        1936 to 1975            1976        40 years 

     When can the Dodgers' record be broken?  Not until 2055!  
     24 of the current 26 teams have finished in the cellar in the 1980's or in
the 1990's.  The only exceptions are: 
a) the Oakland Athletics (last in cellar in 1979; could break the Dodgers' 
record in 2066), and 
b) The KC Royals (NEVER in the cellar; streak of avoiding the cellar begins 
with their creation in 1969; could break the Dodgers' record in 2055). 

     So the record streak, sadly ended this year, is safe until 2055 at the 
very earliest.
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Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."   
World Championships:  Brooklyn-----1955   
                      Los Angeles--1959  1963  1965  1981  1988
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From: carmody_d@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos logo
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:57:51 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <CB.92Sep28173954@tamarack13.timbuk>, cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
> 
> The thread about the A's logo has emboldened me to make this confession:
> the Expos logo makes no sense to me (that squiggly thing, not the way
> they write the word "expos").  Maybe it's a Rorschach test: the meaning
> you find in it reveals something about you.  (I can almost make it seem
> to spell "expos" and I can almost make it seem to form a capital M.)
> Perhaps someone who is practiced in graphic iconography can explain it
> for me.
> 
> Chris Brewster
> cb@cray.com

	As I see it, the colors in the 'M' form three letters:

	- M	Montreal
	- e	expos
	- b	baseball

I must admit, it took several seasons before I settled on this explanation.
	Dennis
From: rollins+@cs.cmu.edu (Gene Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: NL playoff rosters
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:09:34 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

1992 National League Playoff Rosters

Atlanta Braves
  Hitters
    Lopez, Pendleton, Sanders, Cabrera, Nixon, Blauser, Bream, Gant, Justice,
    L.Smith, Hunter, Berryhill, Lemke, Treadway, Belliard
  Pitchers
    Smoltz, Avery, Freeman, Leibrandt, Reardon, P.Smith, Wohlers, Glavine, 
    Mercker, Stanton

Pittsburgh Pirates
  Hitters
    A.Cole, Bell, Espy, Redus, Slaught, VanSlyke, Bonds, LaValliere, McClendon,
    Merced, Lind, King, Varsho, Wehner
  Pitchers
    Wakefield, Drabek, Patterson, Z.Smith, Belinda, Walk, Tomlin, D.Jackson,
    Mason, Neagle, Cox
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From: tex@r-node.gts.org (Terence Dulay)
Subject: Re: Blue Jay musings... A's vs lefties
Organization: Association for the Preservation of Incompetence
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 23:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.203226.21592@tcsi.com> ken@mizar.tcs.com (Ken Emery) writes:
>In article <Sep.30.15.16.13.1992.9707@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>>well, if i were the jay  manager, i'd start cone in 1, 4, 7 (if necessary)
>> 
>> but of course jack morris is great.  of course.        sheesh.
>>
>>
>>anyhow, that wasn't your question.  the a's do much better against lefties than righties.
>>
>At one point (just before the last road trip) the A's were 26 - 8 vs 
>lefthanded starters.  I believe Valera (of the angels) is lefthanded 
>(I could be wrong) and he beat the A's three times.  I'm just hoping that 
>Atlanta makes the world series if the A's make it so they can feast on 
>all those lefthanded starters.
>>
>>i don't have this year's stats in front of me, but too many years of
>> table baseball leagues made me remember that rickey is a god against
>> lefties , lansford is pretty good against lefties, mcgwire is
>> better against lefties, so is steinbach, and if dave henderson comes
>> back, he's much better against lefties as well.
>>
>>baines can't hit lefties, and i don't know about ruben, or any
>> of the younger players.
>>
>>- bob gaj
>
>bye,
>ken emery
>internet: ken@tcs.com


Which is exactly why Cito Gaston will pitch Morris in game 1, Cone in game 2,
and Guzman or Stottlemyre (probably Guzman) in game 3, then back to Morris for
game 4.  To have Jimmy Key (a southpaw) in the rotation would be suicidal.
-- 
Terence M. "Tex" Dulay                  Scarborough, Ontario, CANADA
tex@r-node.gts.org                      ...uunet.ca!r-node!tex
tex@r-node.pci.on.ca
tex@eastern.com                         ...uunet.ca!eastern!tex
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From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Subject: If the Astros spent some money...
Reply-To: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:59:26 GMT

Does anyone think that a .500 team like the Astros could win it all next year
if they really strengthened up their main weaknesses (SS and starting 
pitching) ?

How about two Texans coming home, Swindell and Drabek, and throw in the Wizard
at short? I figure this will cost the new owner about 12 million a year, give
or take.

Maybe building with youth and finishing the job with a few veterans is the way
to the World Series (see Braves).  Just piling up a bunch of free agents
doesn't seem to work (see '92 Mets).

Sam
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