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From: bob@bob.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Baccus)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Keywords: Ala/Ark 
Reply-To: bob@bob.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:11:34 GMT

In article <5922@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> In article <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|> >	So what is the best rivalry in college basketball?  Consider factors
|> >such as tradition, quality of teams, and the impact of the game (i.e. does
|> >it usually determine conference champs).
|> 
|> How about:
|>   Kansas-Missouri (the range war)
|>   UCLA-Arizona (of late)
|>   UNLV-Arizona (when they still played each other)
|> 
|> --Rob

How about the newest rivalry that started just last year in the S.E.C.?

	Alabama / Arkansas

The three times they met (Home/Home/SEC Tourn) were decided by about a
total of 4 points. All games were won on last second shots. All games 
were sellouts. Both teams wear Red and White.

I saw two of the games in person - and this is a new - great rivalry.

Bob "Looking forward to Hobbs - but will miss Wimp" Baccus

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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:32:23 GMT

In article <Bw4tox.Dx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.185951.7184@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>>In article <26336@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>>
>>>Furthermore, UCLA's not putting up the conference championship banners
>>>suggests that there is no pride in winning championships in a weak
>>>conference.  I still remember people complaining about UCLA's playing
>>>in a weak conference in the 1960's and 1970's.
>
>This really is weak.  This whole thing is supposed to be a joke, anyway.  
>Lighten up a little.  If Trent wants to reminisce about times that will
>never be repeated by anyone (i.e. ten titles in 12 years), let him.  We
>know the deal.

Haven't you read the latest O'Bannon du Jour?  Ed and his little brother,
under the coaching genius of Jim "rolls the program like Wooden" Harrick,
are going to bring the next six banners back to Westwood, where they
rightfully belong.

Glory be!

>I think the more important question is whether any of us put any faith in
>the words of Trent Lange.  :)

I was serious in this newsgroup once.  Yessiree, I remember it well...
It was way back in the year...

- Trent Lange

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <14156.2ad46647@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>	So what is the best rivalry in college basketball?  Consider factors
>such as tradition, quality of teams, and the impact of the game (i.e. does
>it usually determine conference champs).

How about:
  Kansas-Missouri (the range war)
  UCLA-Arizona (of late)
  UNLV-Arizona (when they still played each other)

--Rob
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Street & Smith's Has Arrived!!!
Keywords: Top 25, conferences, All-Americans
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct16.113218.14394
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Oct16.151342.27382@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> erwinc@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher S. Erwin) writes:
>
>Well, Street & Smith's is out!  I haven't had much of a chance to
>go through it yet, but here is the top 25:
>
>I'll leave the commenting to you guys, but my drug-inducement theory
>may have been shot to hell with this one.  An interesting list.
>
>Big 10 1/2
>1. Michigan         7. Purdue        All conference: Calbert Cheaney
>2. Indiana          8. Ohio State                    Acie Earl
>3. Iowa             9. Wisconsin                     Mike Peplowski
>4. Illinois        10. Penn State                    Deon Thomas
>5. Michigan State  11. Northwestern                  Chris Webber
>6. Minnesota                         Newcomer:  Glenn Robinson
>                                     POTY:  Chris Webber

Purdue #7?  Yes!  I would rather have been #8 myself (it'd be hard to be
behind Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Penn State).

Note for the newbies and the idiots:  Purdue has done best in the past when
they were not supposed to.  I always see these predictions of poor
performance as a good omen.
-- 

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: In Defense of the Dome
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:45:10 GMT

In article <9210071530.AA10140@walt.disney> chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:

>As far as being told to "be quiet", it's never happened to me from a student.

It happened to me in Assembly Hall at Indiana during the IU-Wisconsin game
last season.  This is why I say that no arena in which fans tell other fans
to shut up is worth jack in college hoops. (this does exclude times, however,
when guys like Dennis Hopper from "Hoosiers" really interfere with stuff)

>In order of loudness, for those State fans who might care, is this:
>
>1. Duke
>2. State
>3. Wake/UVa
>
>It's much louder during the Duke game.  The place stays about as loud as
>a jet for nearly the entire game.  My ears ring afterwards.  If only every
>game were like that.

Amen.
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From: gchan@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Stanford B-Ball
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:57:26 GMT

Does anyone know how Stanford will do this year? Or who they are
trying to recruit this year?

Thanks

gchan@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu
University of C.A.Irvine
From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10: toOSU
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:08:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cheshire.1992Oct15.210809.23509
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

In article <1992Oct15.160137.12403@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> jack@hpcvxjp.cv.hp.com (Jack Peterson) writes:
>The other OSU: Oregon State University, got a boost yesterday when Chad Scott
>was found guilty of an unlawfull use of a weapon, but had a charge of robbery
>dismissed. He was sentenced to three years of supervised probation and 80 
>hours of community service.
>
I just thought it was a little ironic that this has gone on
at Oregon St., and most everyone will simply read over it,
skipping over to the bigger name schools.  Had Stevin Smith
or Dwayne Fontana been implicated for something new, people
would have been burning down Sun Devil Stadium or the Activity
Center in Tempe.

Just goes to show you.  It _does_ happen everywhere!

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Originator: jagreath@c00364-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:26:01 GMT


In article <matthew.718474874@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:

|>jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE) writes:

|>>The Dean Dome???? What have you been smoking there in Atlanta?  Reynolds 
|>>is much tougher to play in than the Dean Dome.  The Carolina wine&cheese
|>>go to be seen at the game crowd is about the lamest in the ACC...

|>OK, all you Dean Dome slammers.  Just curiously, have you ever actually
|>*been* to a game there?  No?  You just read what Sam Cassell (?) said
|>last year?  I've been to lots of games in the Dean Dome, lots (and lots)
|>of games in Carmichael, and lots of games elsewhere.  

I've been to several games in the Dean Dome.  The crowd is quite boring. I 
assert once again that it is the lamest in the ACC.  And I wish with all my
heart that NC State wasn't building the Centennial Center (read Dean Dome II)
It just won't be the same.

|>The Dean Dome has two things that make it unusual (amongst arenas):
  
|>  1. Sound Absorbtion.  Instead of being a hollow tin shell, they put
|>     in stuff during construction to eat noise so that concerts could 
|>     be performed there, and the like.

That same construction eats crowd noise during games.  Even if the crowd could
get off of its collective butt, the noise would be tolerable at worst.
  
|>  2. Unusual Seating arrangement.  Where's the student section?  If you
|>     read this group, you'd think it was exclusively in the upper balcony.
|>     Not true.  Students sit on one end at the Dean Dome.

What about the other end? Again, it's alumni who want to be seen at the game
and are hardly bothered with cheering.

|>As far as noise is concerned, the courtside folks don't make much,
|>but if you go into (any) other section, you get lots of noise.

It still doesn't even come close to the Pit in terms of a place to watch a
basketball game.
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:42:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
=	There is currently a thread in rec.sport.football.college which asks 
=the question:  What is the biggest rivalry?  I'd like to address this question
=to college basketball.  
=
=	I'm currently at tOSU, so we like to beat the perenially-good Indiana
=and in more recent times Michigan.  I graduated from Villanova which always
=loves to beat Georgetown.  However, I don't think these compare to the ol'
=Duke vs. Unc games, but I understand this rivalry to be rather recent too.
=
=	So what is the best rivalry in college basketball?  Consider factors
=such as tradition, quality of teams, and the impact of the game (i.e. does
=it usually determine conference champs).

1. Duke-UNC. Two of the best programs competing for the same recruits
and whose campuses are within 10 miles of each other.

2. Louisville-UKentucky. Lots of tradition. Intrastate rivalry.

3. Georgetown-Syracuse. Maybe not after the NCAA gets through.

4. Indiana-Purdue/Ohio State/Michigan. Someone in the Big 10 always
seems to give Indiana a good matchup. I am not too familiar with Big 10
rivalries to say what's what. I added Purdue for intrastate rivalry as
well as the fact that sometimes Indiana doesn't do that well (it seems
to me) there.

5. Harvard-Yale. NOT!
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From: arent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (William J. Arent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Keywords: Ala/Ark
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:37:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I haven't posted to r.s.b.c. in a LONG time so don't give me the
same treatment that fellow in AriZOnA gets ...

Two comments:
1. I'm from the West and really don't see what's the big rivalry 
   between Indiana and Purdue.  The history is there, I concede, but
   Purdue just hasn't matched up with them for quite a while (not
   since the unfulfilled days of Everett Stephens, Mitchell, etc in 198_?
   I'd rather watch an Indiana-Michigan game, since that one might
   be CONTESTED.

2. Although its hey day is now but a memory, the Big Five games
   (used to be doubleheaders) played at the Palestra here at PENN were
   THE games to see.  Almost every game would come down to the
   final minutes.  Too bad money comes before tradition.  Otherwise
   the Big 5 might still be intact.  (Villanova could not schedule
   4 Big 5 teams because of prior commitments.)

- Will
From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:33:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92288.083358U52809
 <a-7-QC+@engin.umich.edu> <1992Oct14.021839.10202@cs.ucla.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct14.021839.10202@cs.ucla.edu>, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent
Lange) says:
>             [stuff deleted]
>
>No.  Everybody does not do it.  In fact, only petty, insecure little
>schools with no true basketball tradition of taste or greatness do it.
>
>UCLA only hangs one type of banner.
>
>Not fake conference championship banners.
>Not even its many real conference championship banners.
>Not even "at one time in the season we were ranked really high" banners.
>
>But NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP banners.  NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP banners that
>flow in their glory around the entire circumference of Pauley Pavilion.
>More numerous than entire conferences can even dream of achieving.
>A greater number than most Pac-10 referees can count to.
>
>       [more stuff deleted]

Is the NIT Championship banner still hanging in Pauley?  Has UCLA fallen
so low that being #65 is considered "glory"? 8-)   I was in Pauley for the
first round games of the NCAA Tourney a few years ago and was really surprised
to see that banner (from a NIT in the early '80's, I believe) with all the
real championship banners.


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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Fisher lassoes Texas recruit
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:46:30 GMT

From The Michigan Daily:

Two years after snaring Jimmy King and Ray Jackson, Michigan coach
Steve Fisher and his assistants reached back into their Texas stable
to capture another prestigious recruit.  Six-foot-3 point guard Bobby
Crawford of Houston Eisenhower High School informed Fisher Monday
night of his choice to attend Michigan this fall.  

Brick Oettinger, recruiting columnist for The Poop Sheet - a sports
journal for the ACC - rates Crawford as the second-best point guard in
his class, behind only Randy Livingston of New Orleans.  Livingston
has committed to LSU.

Crawford apparently is the best three point shooter of all incoming
point guards.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: 1992 Pre-Season NIT
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:55:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

Not to steal any of Trent "Who's UCLA?" Lange's thunder, but here are 
the teams in the 1992 pre-season NIT tournament:

Pre-Season NIT

Round One

Murray State vs Indiana
Wagner vs Tulane

Siena vs Florida State
Indiana State vs Iowa State

Delaware vs Seton Hall
Tennessee vs Rutgers

St. Louis vs The Greatest Basketball Team Ever, according to Trent Lange
George Mason vs Texas-El Paso

Round Two

The winners in the above pairings of games meet.

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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: TOSU vs UC (OSU Fans Plse Read)
Keywords: chickens?
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:07:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.sports.basketball.college
Organization: University of Cincinnati

TOSU fans:
 Is there any talk in Columbus about a possible UC - OSU home and home series?
I know that there is a lot of interest down here, but OSU has resisted coming
to Cincinnati to play. Last year UC tried to "bribe" OSU into a home and home
series by offering extra tickets to OSU for the NCCA regional game in 
Cincinnati (where OSU played) but the offer was rejected, and the NCAA made
UC pay a $25,000 dollar fine after the OSU A.D. turned them in.. I thought
it was kinda funny, but apparently OSU did not... A lot of people think that UC
(UCINN!!?) has the best team in Ohio, and would like the chance to prove it.
From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:03:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

(Ian Carter) writes:
>Speaking from ACC tournament experience, no matter how annoying Duke has been
>to other Big Four schools, they still hate Carolina more. At each tourney,
>Duke is hated by State and Wake fans until it is Duke vs. UNC, and then they
>either leave or cheer for Duke. If you've ever seen the average Rams Club
>member, you would understand why.

There's another reason. On a recent visit to the Dean Dome
I was astounded by the number of ACC championship banners
hanging from the rafters. The Tar Heels owned this conference
from the mid 70's to the late 80's. I think they won 11 out
of possible 15 ACC championships during that era or something
ridiculous like that.

People hate a winner.

Dov
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From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: Best Rivalry in College Hoops
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:15:30 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <6006@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>In article <718988631@termite.cs.duke.edu> db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:
>>
>>There's another reason. On a recent visit to the Dean Dome
>>I was astounded by the number of ACC championship banners
>>hanging from the rafters. The Tar Heels owned this conference
>>from the mid 70's to the late 80's. I think they won 11 out
>>of possible 15 ACC championships during that era or something
>>ridiculous like that.
>>
>>People hate a winner.
>>
>
>I love this.  Only at Carolina would they have the gall to hang ACC
>championship banners for YEARS THEY DID NOT WIN.  If you look closely
>at those so-called "Championship Banners" that say "ACC CHAMPIONS"
>in very large print, well, if you put on your glasses and look really
>hard you >>might<< be able to make out the very small print that says
>"Regular Season" -- which, as any in-the-know follower of the ACC can
>tell you, means nothing.  The ACC Champion always has been (and, God willing,
>always will be) the Tournament winner.  I once counted and Carolina has
>something like 9-11 of these bogus banners hanging up there.
>
>This is annoying.
>
>Incidentally, I have heard that Clemson has something similar in 
>Littlejohn Coliseum.  But, being Clemson, I can't find it in me to
>castigate them for it.  I think Carolina cheapens their "real"
>championships with these "bogus" ones.  Clemson doesn't have any real
>ones, so let 'em have their little thrill, I say.
>
>- Rob MacK
>)

What about Duke's banner from '86 for
finishing #1 in the polls BEFORE the tourney.
Everyone does it.



JMH
From: jack@hpcvxjp.cv.hp.com (Jack Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: PAC-10: toOSU
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:01:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Oct15.160137.12403
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

The other OSU: Oregon State University, got a boost yesterday when Chad Scott
was found guilty of an unlawfull use of a weapon, but had a charge of robbery
dismissed. He was sentenced to three years of supervised probation and 80 
hours of community service.

Chad, OSU's leading scorer (17.8) and rebounder (8.3) before he flunked out
of school before the start of PAC play, will be reinstated to the basketball
team. He has also cleaned up his act academically, pulling down a 3.0 both 
spring and summer terms. 

What a break for Chad and OSU! He gets a second chance to get his shit 
together and we get a hell of a basketball player to go along with a strong
team. Chad, 6'-7" 210lbs, will bolster OSU's inside game, which already has 
the PAC's premier center in Scott Haskin, 6'-11" 240 lbs. Add an outstanding
recruit from West Valley JC, Calif in power forward Mustafa Hoff, 6'-8" 
20pts 9rbg, and returning guards McKinney, Barry, Harris and Strickland, and 
OSU figures to compete for the top spot in the PAC-10.

This is a team that should be ready to play together by the time PAC-10 
play starts. The pre-PAC play is a pretty rigorous schedule, with tOSU,
North Carolina State and several other worthy opponents already mentioned
in previous posts.

The PAC will indeed be interesting this year, with pre-season favorites AZ 
and UCLA needing to watch their tails in the PAC this year, especially on 
the trip up north to Oregon!

Jack
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: Alabama?
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Keywords: Wimp  the jackets
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:18:51 GMT



as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>Just curious, who replaced Wimp down in Bama?  What big shoes to fill!

It's not Wimp's shoes you should worry about, but his sportcoats.  
Convincing someone to continue that tradition would've been the hard part.

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