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From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Thiruppaavai Verse 8
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:06:56 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of 
Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).

Regards,
Aravind.

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\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 8. raagam: saamaa
\beginbox
keezh vaanam veLLenRu erumai siRu veedu
mEyvaan parandhana kaaN mikkuLLa piLLaigaLum
pOvaan pOginRaarai(p) pOgaamal kaaththu unnai(k)
koovuvaan vandhu ninROm kOdhugalam udaiya
paavaay ezhundhiraay paadi(p) paRai kondu
maavaay piLandhaanai mallarai maattiya
dhEvaadhi dhEvanai(ch) chenRu naam sEviththaal
aavaavenRu aaraayndhu aruLElOr embaayaay
\endbox

\c \J
The eastern (keezh) sky (vaanam) is whitening (vEL). The water buffaloes
(eRumai), which started grazing (mEyvaan), just a little (siRu) while
(veedu) ago, have spread all over (parandhana) the place. Look! (kaaN). The
children (piLLai), who are serious (mikkuLLa) about 'maargazhi nonbu', are
going (pOvaan). We have stopped (pOgaamal) those people who are going
(pOginRaarai) and have come (vandhu)  standing (ninROm) and are waiting
(kaaththu) and calling (koovuvaan) you (unnai). You happy (kOdhugalam
udaiya) girl (paavaay), wake up (ezhundhiraay) If we (naam) sing (paadi),
observe the 'paavai nOnbu' (paRai kondu) and go (chenRu) and worship (sEvi)
the Lord of the devas (dhEvaadhi dhEva), who split (piLandhaan) the Asura
who came as a horse (maavaay), who conquered (maattiya) the wreslers
(mallar), he will examine (aaraayndhu) our requirements, and bless (aruL) us
with plenty (aa aa enRu).
\j
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Good News for India
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:05:02 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

nkbrahma+@pitt.edu (Niranjan K Brahma) writes:


>	Where did you get this "good news" from ? From your mother ?
						      ^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ABEY O' ,

		DON'T DRAG YOUR MOTHER IN SUCH HEALTHY

		DISCUSSIONS . I WARN YOU OF DIRE CONSEQUENCES,

		IF YOU REPEAT THIS ACT OF YOURS .

			UNDERSTAND !!!

					DEEPAK
>NKB

>-- 
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>Niranjan K.Brahma                        E-mail nkbrahma+@pitt.edu
>Dept. of Electrical Engg                        nkbrahma@vms.cis.pitt.edu
>University of Pittsburgh                        nkbst@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule)
Subject: It's 1993 !
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:00:00 GMT

Hi Everybody,

Wish You a Very Happy New Year !

Nutan Varshabhinandan !

Naye Varsh ki Shubh Kaamanaayen !



Here's wishing that 1993 will have peace, happiness, and joy in store for all !

Is varsh (1993) mein aap sab ko shanti sukh aur swasthya praapt ho, ye 
shubh kaamanaayen !


Ajit.

-----------------------------------------------
Ajit Tulpule

School of Business
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1S 5B6

email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
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From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Read this, sane SCI readers!
Date: 2 Jan 93 13:42:38 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR


I don't know about you folks, but I think that the likes of characters such as
mustafa, dbose, and some flea who abuses behind an anon address should be
denied write access to sci.  I uphold freedom of speech and no-censorship, but
there's a limit - and these nimrods have gone far beyond that limit.  It's one
thing to insult someone personally, but to broadcast it on a medium that
thousands of other, uninvolved people read, while sitting at a safe location,
is pathetic - just as pathetic as these jokers are.  So if you're reading this,
dbose, mustafa, anon-chicken, and others like you, either:

  1.  Abuse each other individually, if you have to,  OR
  2.  Shut the hell up!

Either way, if you persist with this racist, perverted something's going to
have to give.  For instance, someone may send a copy of your quality postings
to your sysop accompanied by translations.  Bottom line is, act a little mature
- make partisan jokes of comments if you must, but KEEP THEM WITHIN LIMITS!! 
If you feel you have to flame somebody, SEND IT DIRECTLY TO THEM!!

For the rest of you sane sci readers (a dwindling number), send your comments
directly to these intellectuals.  I don't want to have any non-desi read sci
and make spot judgements on the rest of us who have self-respect, based on our
distinguished compatriots - do you?  Besides, glancing through this filth is
disturbing in itself.
From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:48:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Dec25.014834.14996
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK


>
>And then the Bengali's are of course superior: they will use their
>newsgroup not for people-bashing but 'poetry and culture of Bengali
>society'.

	Is this supposed to be sarcastic? (Something tells me it is!) If
so, Harsh, I would like to point out, with all due respect, that India's one
and only Nobel in literature was won by a Bengali gentleman, Rabindranath 
Tagore. (Just pointing out the facts of life, my friend!)

> 
>Harsh Varma
>Department of Computer Science
>Rutgers University
>
Santanu Bhattacharyya
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: alt.culture.bombay
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:54:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu ( Wonko, the sane) writes:

> I would like to set up alt.culture.bombay ( we could include Thana too, if
>people are for it). This newsgroup is for discussing bambaiyya language and
>literature, bambaiyya culture and movies.
>bhai log maangta hai to bolo ; khali pili bom maarke mera dimag ka dahi mat
>banao.

	Hey, I like the idea:-) However, how about the name alt.culture.mumbai
or better alt.culture.amchi.mumbai? We must include everything from Colaba
to Ulhas Nagar there, especially the railway stations. Kai ko ither laphda
bajee apanko nahin maangta!:-)

	err, Mr.Wonko, I presume will write the charter for the group and 
post in on alt.config. Good luck, ekdum Bombay ka maffic.

>wonko, the sane

Bombayvallah-dude, the insane

>N.B: Any resemblance to charact3rs or situations in real life is purely
>coincidental.

Chicken??????
Splendid fellow as far north as the neck goes, beyond that, solid concrete.
- Wodehouse



Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42675 soc.culture.bangladesh:7280 soc.culture.pakistan:19108
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: San Jose Mercury News re: B'glore
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:56:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boris.wpd.sgi.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Bharat Baliga-Savel (savel@hal.COM) wrote:

> $30,000 here, versus $400 there.

That was $400/mo, not $400/yr.

> This article comes after an EE times article, 2 weeks ago, that body
> shoppers are bringing people from India on a B-1 and paying them
> $300 and undercutting competition. The INS and the State Dept. are
> aware of this loophole and intend plugging it soon, as this job
> losses. India was specifically mentioned (was infact the only
> country targeted).

Not true.  Both India and China are equally involved in this, and both
are affected.

Once the new rules are totally enforced (I think they are already
being enforced now), B-1's and H-3's (which are the most abused
categories) will be limited to true business trips (mgmt meetings /
trade contacts; and employee *training*, respectively).

Body-shoppers will have to apply for H-1's, which mean:

  (a) a numerical quota - approx. 60,000 per year.
  (b) a requirement for employers to pay "fair market wages", which
      means that instead of getting $20/day and room/transport, the
      contractors will be paid a flat (approx) $30-35K / year.

> The SJM article suggested, that software houses in India are moving from
> body shopping to develop software.

It's finally becoming easier to do software work offshore. After many
years, satellite-link technology has been shaken loose from the
government stranglehold and actually made affordable (Rs 1.5
million/year instead of the former Rs 5. million or more per year for
a 64kbps link).  So many of the larger shops (DEC, HP, IBM/Tata, TCS,
WIPRO, etc.) have all established links from India to the US and
Europe.

Of course, I'd say that, at a conservative estimate, at least 90-95%
of the software business is *still* body-shopping.
--
Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: gram@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (g.ramaprasad)
Subject: Help for a new graduate student arriving from India
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:42:58 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Help

Folks:

A new graduate student, coming to University of Nebraska Biological Systems
Engineering Department for his PhD.  Mr. Rangan Chinnaswamy will be this
guy's advisor.

This student's name is K.R. Ananthanarayanan and he is arriving in Lincoln,
Nebraska on December 31, 1992 at 20:25 by United Flight 365.  He needs some
help (pickup from airport, temporary quarters etc.)

I have tried to reach his advisor, the University offices etc. and I have not been able to reach anyone.  If any of you  can help out either by offering to pick this guy or by letting me know the name/telephone number of the
person or organization, who can help him, I will be much obliged.

You can send me e-mail or call me collect at (908) 615-0980 in the evenings.

Thank you.

Ram Prasad
.
.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: idas@sedona.intel.com (Indraneel Das)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Help with H-4 to F-1 conversion
Keywords: visa question
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:41:51 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
Originator: idas@sedona



Hello!


I'd appreciate any pointers frm people who have gone through the
process of converting a visa from H4 -> F1 for themselves/their spouses.

My understanding is that one has to go to Mexico, if it needs to be done 
fast...could you pl tell me which papers you need to take, what kind of money
(ie how much) is needed, etc.

We're planning to go to Juarez next month.


PLease email me at idas@sedona.intel.com


Thanks in adv!

-Indraneel.

_______________________________________________________________________
Indraneel Das
Intel Corp.
Chandler, AZ
idas@sedona.intel.com
_______________________________________________________________________


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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Poem : Calcutta and I by Sunil Gangopadhyay
Date: 31 Dec 1992 17:01:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

>>******** Translated by Subhoranjan Dasgupta and Sudeshna Chakravarty********** 
>
>
>What drivel! This is poetry!! Please, NO MORE BAD POETRY!!!
>
>
>
>Rakesh Patel
That's what happens when you use bad translations. I must request to
post the original for Sunil Ganguly's reputation's sake.
Arindam
From: anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra)
Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad Demands Lifting of Bans
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:10:18 GMT

sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:


>It was bad enough that Niranjan Dev Theerth (the SA of Puri) got himself 
>into hot water with his support for sati; 

Can anybody else confirm the veracity of this allegation?

anand 'Organised religion - A blight on society'
--
Screw PBS & NPR news. Tired of news "sanitized for your protection?". Try:
misc.activism.progressive, "Lies Of Our [NY]Times", "Z" magazine (Boston).
KPFA 94.1 FM (Bay Area), 90.7 (L.A.), 90.1 (Houston, TX), 89.3 (Washington, DC)
These are my opinions, not my employer's.
From: rkrithiv@hopi.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Swami Vivekananda: The First Great Social Revolutionary
Date: 31 Dec 1992 17:36:23 GMT
Organization: -----------
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pima.intel.com

From: Tattva Darsana
Article: Swami Vivekananda and Modern Socialism
Author: Sibranjan Chatterjee

Associated with:
  Sister Nivedita Academy
  118, Big Street, 
  Triplicane, Madras: 600 005

Swami Vivekananda: The First Great Social Revolutionary
-------------------------------------------------------

Swami Vivekananda was the first great social revolutionary of India. 
He was the first among the 19th century Indians who strongly protested
against untouchability. He was the first monk and outstanding spiritual
leader in the history to uphold without any reservation the cause of 
women and the common people. Swamiji was again the first Indian who
firmly stood for social justice and for eradication of economic
inequality. As Swamiji said: "Remember the nation lives in the cottage. 
But alas! no body ever did anything for them... Can you raise them? Can
you give them back their lost individuality? Can you become the
occidental of occidentals in your spirit of equality, freedom, work and
energy, and in the same time a Hindu to the backbone in religious
culture and instincts? This is to be done and we will all do it. You are
all born to do it..Sympathy to the poor, to the down trodden, even unto
death --this is our motto.". Swamiji said elsewhere: "Engrossed in the
struggle for existence, they had not the opportunity for the awakening
of knowledge. They have worked so long like machines guided by human
intelligence, and the clever educated section have taken the substantial
part of the fruits of their labour. In every country this has been the
case. But times have changed. The lower classes have gradually awakening
to this fact and making a united front against this, determined to exact 
their legitimate dues... The upper clases will no longer be able to 
repress the lower, try they ever so much. The well-being of the higher 
classes now lies in the helping the lower to get their legitimate rights". 

Vivekananda was the first to draw the attention of the Indian leaders to
the social implication of the curse of mass poverty. Before him many
great people attempted in their individual ways to feed the starving.
But no person before Vivekananda had categorically pointed out that
freedom of the people from want of daily bread was the first condition
of national regeneration of India. As Swamiji pointed out: "Their
extreme poverty is one the causes why the Chinese and the Indians have
remained in a state of mummified civilization."

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Krithi
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KNOCK! KNOCK! P-Js
Date: 31 Dec 1992 11:23:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


KNOCK!KNOCK!
Who's there?
Allah
Allah who?
Allah-who-Akbar


KNOCK!KNOCK!
Who's there?
Cow
Cow who?
Idiot! Cow's don't who, they moo.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: A request to Deepak Bose
Keywords: Please, donot listen to this guy. He is like others misleading you.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:18:26 GMT

In article <1i86huINN4kn@shelley.u.washington.edu> shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>Nevertheless, coming to this posting by the honorable Arghya Deb, I implore
>you not to pay any attention to this posting. You are the first  and foremost
>Indian Hindoo who has stood up to tyranny and humiliation from Muslims in a
>noble and proud manner.
>
>You could be another Mahatama,  or great leader that the Hindoo generation of
>today needs. Brave, brash and unafraid of these muslim radicals and terrorists,
>you are a guiding light to millions of Hindoos and also provide excellent 
>entertainment in a society so prone to decency and proper manners that it gets
>quite boring sometimes.
>
>So, my dear dear with lots of Boses, more power to you and your likes.
>Remember, you are the new generation of Hindoos, you are the future of India.
>
>I and others at UW are looking foward to your postings as always, and commend
>you highly on your performance so far.
>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
Hmmmm. My astute sense perceives the slightest trace of subtle sarcasm
there. :-)

Translated : We Pakistanis were sooo ashamed of Mustafa, that we were
glad to see Dbose come along, with buffoonery of the same order of
magnitude.
But, remember, Shams, you Pakistanis are worried about the 
nu(un?)clear bomb .. that's a mere diversion. We are on the verge of
mass producing our secret weapon the DPK-BS2, of which DBose was just an
experimental prototype !
Here's to  a livelier sci ....
Go HA HA HA HA HA
Go :-))))))))))))))
Ruchir.
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Please Make me Bengali [ Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks] -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:12:38 GMT


In article <1992Dec30.025447.27626@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
>>So many reasons to be a bengali, at least a honorary one.
>>Do I have to count more reasons ?
>8B theke boshe paanchjoner shonge lemon chaa aar feeltar hooeels 
>kheyecho ?
>10 ghonta bekaar boshe aantellectual kotha kore kore thek merecho ?
>Evaluate yourself now ! :-)
>Ruchir.
>>
>>2] Stay Cool..
>Thik, guru, matha thanda rakhai besh.

Aaro gun thaka dorkar

Tarakdar char dukane boshe Gojaldar shangai bhat martai martai cams cigaareetee
are chaa kheyecho? Na mairi, tumaki bangali banano poshabai na. Ki bolo RuchirdaThik boleni mairi.

Nishit 

>-- 
>Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: When did the 1971 war start?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 01:27:42 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

		  When did the 1971 war start?

  There is one important point everyone has missed. The war "officially"
started on December 3 when 1) Pakistan declared war on India, and 2) Pakistan
attacked Indian airfields.
  What the standard Indian history books will not mention is that for all
practical purposes the war started a few days earlier (Nov 24) when Indian
troops and tanks crossed into the Jessore sector.
  This can be verified from any major paper like NYT or Times (London) at that
time. If you don't want to strain yourself with the microfilm, try Time or
Newsweek or Keesing's Archives.
  As there seem to be a few ex-army people on these newsgroups, they may like
to comment on this.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 07:22:34 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I could not resist replying to this.  If we are talking about the
existence or non-existence of God, at least no one has proved that God
does NOT exist.  On the other hand, Kenneth Arrow, the nobel prize
winning economist did prove that democracy is mathematically impossible.
What do we do THEN?

The fact is that religion is not necessarily connected with God anyway.
Neither Jainism nor Buddhism depends on the existence of God, and
in Vedanta, a personal God is `tolerated' rather than made the central
point.  I think you want to be careful before destroying a tradition
that is several thousand years old and replacing it with an ill thought
out `rationality'.  Just go to `secular Harlem' and see for yourselves,
and take note of the fact that the blacks in this country who are
devoted to Christianity or Islam commit far fewer crimes than the ones
who are `secular'.

Rohit Parikh
From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: STORY # 9
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:20:05 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

                                KARNA
                               -------
                                                From The Mahabharata

This tale tells us about the extraordinary characters of King Karna who was
known for his Charity. Whatever people asked He gave away, right from the
materialistic things like money, gold to his natural protective armour.

Oneday, Karna was about to take His oil bath. He was applying oil on His body 
with right hand, keeping the golden  utensil that had oil, in his left.
Presently one servant came and told Him that one Brahmin wants to see the King.
Those days, Karna was accessible to anyone who was in need of anything, anytime
of the day. Immediately the Brahmin was asked to be admitted and Karna asked the
Brahmin : " Sir please ask what you need. Whatever you ask will be yours ".
That Brahmin was very poor asked the king for some gold. Instantly, Karna gave
away the golden utensil in his left hand, with that very hand.

Seeing this, the Brahmin replied : " O Karna, people say that whenever you do
charity, you should never give with left hand. Please offer it to me with the
right hand ".

Karna Explained : " O Brahmin ! there you are mistaken. Just at the time you
asked me for gold, I felt like giving that utensil. So I gave away. But if
you ask me to give with right hand, by the time the utensil comes from my left
hand to the right, my mind may change and you may not get this utensil and I
may give you something less. So the rule is that, whenver you want to give
something, give immediately, whether,with left or right hand. What you give is
more important than how you give ".

Now that the Brahmin has understood the secret, he gladly accepted what Karna
gave him and left happily.
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