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From: usdta004@mmm.serc.3m.com (Timothy S. Shea)
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:34:43 GMT

From article <1992Aug27.205714.13960@CS.ORST.EDU>, by pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne):
> 
>>Be real yourself.  I use a 20 MHz 386 at work -- A real 386,
>>not the crippleware SX version.  (There's no such thing as
>>a 396, by the way.)  We paid over $7000 for the hardware and
>>software.  After struggling with this machine and its miserable
>>performance for over six months, we finally decided that we needed
> 
> If your company paid over $7000 for a 386, your company is not going to 
> make it very long.  It sounds like a goverment agency spending thousands
> on toilet seats, or my favorite, the daul purpose wrench that worked for
> a couple of bolts on one type of plane only, it not only put the bolts in
> it also took them out, all for over a thousand dollars each.  Everyone
> working for you purchasing department should be fired.  The only exception
> would be if the computer cost you very little and your using packages like
> autocad that can run into the thousands.  If so, your argument is invalid,
> because serious software costs the same on either side of the fence.
>

Not true.  We routinly cut checks for $7000 to $15000 per machine.  We
are not going to buy a 386 or 486 from Joe's Computer and Bait shop.  We
want to buy a machine that will last us for years, comes from a good
manufacturing that we know will be around for a awhile, be expandable,
and be upgradable.  We want a decent monitor that will not ruin our eyes
and will not burn out in two years.  Normally the only software that
comes with these machines are DOS/Windows, OS/2, or System 7.x.  We also
need a decent networking card and memory.  Macs and PCs cost the same
around here.  

We have tried purchasing equipment from Joe's Computer and Bait shop but
we always run into problems of trying to get that machine to work in a
new enviroment or with a different OS or one of the cards would
mysteriously go bad or the monitor burned out.  

In the short term purchasing a cheap machine might soon good but in the
long term you just end up having more troubles than it was worth.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:15684 misc.forsale.computers:31507
From: smithcr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rick Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: IBM 8514/A adapter
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:28:37 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

For sale an IBM 8514/A microchannel video board with 1MB for $130.00 obo.

Rick Smith

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Mac Zone experiences?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:25:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I've found MacZone to be both very quick and quite reliable. Their
upgrade prices are usually less than the competition, perhaps as
a loss leader strategy. For other products they are sometimes a
few dollars higher than MacWarehouse, sometimes not. Check
both prices in the MacWorld or MacUser ads. (I've found MacWarehouse
to be quick and reliable as well.)

David
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Hard Partitioning vs Soft Partitioning
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:10:04 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <0095FEE7.1AAC7CE0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> oususabk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>I have been looking for a way to secure the system folders in a public
>macintosh lab. I have looked into using norton or PCtools to make a hidden
>read-only partition. 
>
>This doesnt seen to work the way I am expecting. I need a R/O hidden partition
>for the system to startup with, disappear, then show a working partition as 
>the hard drive. As far as I can tell soft partitioning will not work for this?

As I understand it, you can't have a System on a locked disk. The System
writes to itself frequently. So that DOES make it tougher. However, I'll
assume you're on a network: consider AppleShare. Make the startup volume
something from the server, and set privileges for read only. I'm hoping
(but not at all sure) that it will consider System-driven changes to
itself as server writes, not writes from your terminal. But again, I'm
not sure.

Other than that, it sounds like you basically need a way to make a
volume mount, start up the Mac, and then hide itself so that no one can
look at it. I don't have a clue HOW to do this one.

>setting bozo bits to prevent copying. But we have some serious hackers on
>campus who think they are pretty clever...

Perhaps setting *their* BOZO bit...forcefully? >=]

--Purp, flailing at a problem.
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:15415 comp.sys.mac.games:8624
From: zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: CD-ROM Drives and Spaceship Warlock
Keywords: CD-ROM
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:03:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: fasttech.1992Aug25.220317.6226
Organization: Fast Technology

In <71581@apple.Apple.COM> bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:

>I have never used a NEC CD-ROM drive or played Spaceship Warlock.

>But this weekend a friend told me an amusing bit of trivia which may
>explicate:

>Apparently, Spaceship Warlock depends on the intrinsic access speed of
>the filestore to work correctly. This was determined by copying the
>related files from the CD-ROM to a local SCSI hard disk. 

>With the much faster access time of the hard disk, the game became
>un-winnable since the bad guys moved too fast!

>Definitely, a call to the game creator is in order to verify all this.

THIS INFORMATION IS WRONG.

The game is quite winnable from hard disk. I won it using a IIfx and a CDC Wren
drive. Perhaps a Quadra and a faster disk would make the game unwinnable, but
I'm skeptical.

IMO, you shouldn't have posted this misinformation about a game you HAVEN'T
played. Everyone on the net shouldn't have to "call the game creator" in order
to learn the truth about "amusing trivia" you got from "a friend".

When I tried playing using my Apple CD-ROM, I encountered some jerkiness and a
few delays. So I copied the files over to a partition on my CDC Wren drive,
following the instructions on the CD. The game runs quite well from hard disk.
I never encountered anything that ran "too fast". The animation adjusted itself
to the speed of my machine. Of course, the sound was perfectly understandable
as well.

There are a few places when fighting the bad guys that require a little bit of
manual dexterity and perseverence. But I did get thru them. People on the net
have already complained about how easy this game was to win. It would be
absurdly easy if the bad guys moved 5 or 10 times slower in these places, as
your friend's "amusing bit of trivia" suggests.

----------

Perhaps because this game is so easy to win, it is called an Interactive Movie
by Reactor. It is not called a game. The INTENT is that you move along from
scene to scene without getting hopelessly stumped at any particular point.

I enjoyed it as such. At my age I am no longer as interested in games as I
used to be, and liked the fact that I WAS able to get thru it in a reasonable
amount of time, less than 10 hours of play. The program allows you to save
your character's state at virtually any point, so it isn't necessary to start
over every time you get killed.
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just emulate it.
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:17:22 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

>>>> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) (DM) writes:

DM> In a few days I'll be release a shareware program called Gemulator.
DM> It's a 68000 emulator that runs on MS-DOS, and with the appropriate
DM> Atari ROM chips plugged into your PC, it emulates an Atari ST. Give me
DM> a few months to add 68030 emulation and you'll have yourself a Falcon
DM> emulator. Don't waste your money on the real thing and hell, why even
DM> lose sleep over it. Chances are slim that you'll see Falcons flooding
DM> dealer shelves any time soon.

Surely my-favourite-loser was joking here (I never saw the full post).

Good to see someone loyal to their company, but 68030 and DSP emulation
is way out of reach of a wimpy little PC.  He'd have more hope emulating
a SoundBlaster card on an ST!!!

Of course, Darek is just another loser who is trying to make gains by
lying to people and ripping them off.


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From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: A Petty Question
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:32:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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X-XXDate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.050336.363@morrow.stanford.edu> Betty Lee,
pegasus@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Rebuilding the system is a bit drastic, isn't it?  The logo tends to
>lose its color every time I zap my PRAM, but if I fiddle with the
>Monitors control panel, it's normally fine again.  Of course, if you
>only installed a minimal system, that's a different story...

"Every time I zap my PRAM..."  ??!!!???  Why would you zap your PRAM
unless something bizarre was wrong?  Should I be zapping my PRAM every
time I change the oil in my hard drive :-) ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: obi@gumby.ocs.com (Kuryan "Obi" Thomas)
Subject: Creating Mac filesystems on a Sun.
Reply-To: obi@gumby.ocs.com
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:54:22 GMT

I'm looking for an application (free/share ware or payware) that will let
me create a Mac filesystem using a Sun. I'm aware of a few apps that will
let me create Mac filesystems on a floppy, but what I need is something
that will let me create a 600-700MB filesystem image on a hard disk. This
filesystem image will then be pressed onto a CDROM.

The filesystem image could be constructed onto either a device file (like
/dev/sd1c) or a regular UNIX file. Either way is fine.

Can anyone help me? Please reply by email if you can help. Thank you. My
email addresses are (these all map to the same address):
	obi@gumby.ocs.com
	ocsmd!gumby!obi@uunet.uu.net
	...!uunet!ocsmd!gumby!obi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: SUMMARY: DOS on a Quadra
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:26:11 GMT

Thanks to all those who responded to my original request! Here is a summary of 
responses to my original question: 

	"Has anyone had any experience with running [MS-] DOS on a Quadra?"

	Insignia has a software package called "SoftAT" (old version: SoftPC) 
which emulates DOS commands. Although it was pointed out (several times, I might
add) that this software costs as much as an XT (8088-based PC), this still 
dosn't solve your problem if you want to be able to transfer between the two 
platforms. In older versions of this package, only EGA graphics were supported
but now VGA are supported although the screen redraw capabilities are still
quite slow. All in all, by running SoftAT on a Quadra, you can expect the 
performance of a 12/16 MHz 286-based PC (w/co-processor).

	Insignia also markets a software program called "SoftWindows", for those
who !MUST! use Windows. Supposedly it speeds up the screen draw somewhat.

	It seems that common programs such as word processing, spreadsheets, 
etc. will work fine with (at least) a 68030 cpu. Any program that attempts to 
access main memory, or system architecture (ie: games) DO NOT work (for obvious
reasons). In the latest version of SoftAT, Windows 3.1 is supported (albeit 
slowly). I mention this last application only because it was mentioned in a 
response. Presumably, if one is running a DOS platform on a MAC (such as a 
Quadra), this would not be their main DOS-based system. However, this applies 
more to my situation than everyone out ->there<-. Personally, I would not 
recommend either;

	a) running Windows x.x under a MacOS, or

	b) using any 68030-based machine as a sole DOS-based system.

	There is also a {mega-expensive} plug-in board called "Orange PC" 
(maker unknown). The board contains a 80286 chip. The general consensus 
regarding this combination was to wait for the P5 cpu to happen.

	So, there you have it! Again, much appreciation to those who took the 
time to respond (you know who you are!).

	My main intention in originally posting this question was to determine
the feasibility of getting into MAC app's, while at the same time, being able to
move between the two platforms. Hope this summary helps someone else!
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Function Keys (was Re: Quickeys 2.1)
Keywords: Macros
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:23:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug25.212302.9940
Distribution: na
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

By the way, is there ANY way to use the function keys on extended
keyboards without QuickKeys? Thanks..

-- Venk --
From: rich9256@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Devin Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Control Panel 3.2 HELP
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:19:32 GMT
Organization: Math / CS, State Univ. of N. Y. College at Fredonia
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    I am having a strange problem with my control panel.  When I open 
the control panel it works fine but when I close it I get an outline
in white where the control panel was.  I am operating on System 6.1.7
Finder 6.0.7 and control panel 3.2.  Any help would be appreciated
and also if anyone knows if there is and if so where I could get
a new version of the control panel I will be very thankfull.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: nigel@socs.uts.edu.au (Nigel Pearson)
Subject: Re: First Taligent Won't Run Existing Apps
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  2 Sep 92 00:54:19 GMT

In <ewright.714340143@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

[in response to MacOs not having pre-emptive multitasking]

>No, thank God!  I don't want an OS that can come along and hit
>an application over the head while it's doing something critical
>like updating the screen or interacting with the user.

	1) MacOs already does this at times. You shove a disk in, and mouse
	   response, or file de-compression speed slows down.

	2) If you don't want other tasks to pre-empt what you are doing,
	   raise the priority of the important task. Some OS's do this
	   automatically for the "foreground" application. (i.e. the one
	   which has user input at the moment - the active window)

>Preemptive multitasking only works well for noninteractie, batch-oriented
>systems or interactive systems with multiple processors.  

	Bullshit.


>>Memory Protection?  

>Apparently, yes.  This is discussed in Inside Mac Vol VI, although
>few details are given.  Not that I care very much.  Memory protection
>is a poor substitute for programs that work properly and don't crash,
>and there aren't many Windows programs that I can say that about.

	Ever developed a program? Ever used a Free/Shareware INIT which
crashed the system because it wasn't tested thoroughly enough, or tested
on your particular system?


>>Symmetric Multi-Processing?  

>I'm not even sure what this is.  If it's anything more than
>marketing speak, I'd like to hear more.

	More than one processor, attached symmetrically to the buss?

>>Please do some fact checking the next time you want to claim that NT is
>>just a bad System 7 clone.

>Okay, I checked.  It still is.

	In your humble opinion.

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From: meh@sybase.com (Michael Hushour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Why is my default Chicago font changed in some sizes?
Summary: Characters altered in some sizes after printing Word doc
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:47:25 GMT
Followup-To: meh@sybase.com
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

On my IIci (under 6.0.5) I have the Chicago 12 pt font installed (which
I believe is used as the prinicpal menu font).  Several programs (e.g.,
Excel) use this font at other point sizes as well (so I assume that such
programs are able to map to 10 or 14 pts based only on a 12 pt definition).

Recently I printed a Word document, given to me on a floppy (scanned for
virus on input), which used fonts (?) I don't have installed.  The document
printed OKAY, but since then any use by an application of Chicago at other
than 12 pt size produces characters which do not have the uniform stroke
width of Chicago.  

For example, in any pt size other than 12, two of the vertical stokes of 
a W are thin and only the third has the appropriate thickness.  The 12 pt
size displays just fine.

So I'd like to understand how this happened, how to avoid it in the future,
but most importantly, how to restore the font display to the correct format.

Many thanks for any help you can give,

Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell)
Subject: Re: Internal and External Hard Disks question
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:39:58 GMT

In article <28044@sophia.inria.fr>, jmale@melpo.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male) writes:
|> 
|> 	  Hello everybody.
|> 
|> 	  Is there a kind soul by there that could explain
|> 	  to me WHAT is there inside an external SCSI hard 
|> 	  disk ? or better said, what is necessary to
|> 	  convert an internal Hard Disk to an external one ?

A power supply!
Perhaps a box could be handy.

|> 
|>           (I am speaking for the HDs for Macintoshes)
|> 
|> 	  Thank you in advance for your help
|> 
|> PS:  You can answer either by mail or posting here.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|>   
|> 	Jean-Michel MALE'		\\\\\
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|> 	INRIA, Projet SINUS,		  <  )
|> 	Centre de Sophia-Antipolis	  \/
|> 	06565 Valbonne (FRANCE)
|> 
|> 	Email: jmale@mirsa.inria.fr
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> (Mort aux vaches !)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

C'est pas gentile ca!

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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:41:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <92241.112023ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
>>Okay.  Let's measure performance based on some simple, but meaningful,
>>task.  Now, insert a floppy disk into your computer and change its
>>name from "A:" to "Price Carl Wayne's floppy."  Time yourself to see
>>how long it takes.  I'll do the same thing.  You have a decided advantage,
>>since my Mac is not here at work and it will take me a few hours to get
>>home.  I'll be generous enough to include that time to my benchmark.  :-)
>>
>Where is the problem ? Do you think I can`t do this on my PC ?

Doesn't "Price Carl Wayne's floppy" sort of violate some disk naming convention
on the PC?



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From: hyper@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Robin Greynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Auto Download of Fonts?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 05:06:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver
Keywords: download fonts Apple laserwriter


I've got a mac IIsi running 6.0.7, along with one of the 
old (original, not some newfangled version...) laserwriters.

I found the font download application in Apple's
collection of printer utilities, but it seems to require my
interaction in order to download fonts to the laserwriter.

I'd like to be able to pick a set of fonts to download to the
printer automatically upon starting up my Mac, assuming the
laserwriter is on and doesn't already have the fonts downloaded.

Is there an init (and maybe a control panel) which will do this for me?

Please respond to me directly.

Thanks in advance!
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From: jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook 170 <--> Ethernet <--> Sun ..... HELP
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:18:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Deere & Company

In article <1992Sep3.012439.23161@news.Hawaii.Edu>, grw@cartan.tmc.edu
(George R. Wilkens) wrote:
> 1. Does anyone make an ethernet card for a PB 170? I doubt that anyone does,
>    but you never know.

No card, but you can plug it an Ethernet box to the scsi port.  Asante
makes one that works.  I imagine others like Nuvotech, Dayna, work too.

> 	As you can probably tell, I am really just asking for suggestions.
> Solutions in many price ranges will be considered. In terms of a mail
> tool, can someone suggest one that works well with UNIX mail systems?

You _should_ use Steve Dorner's Eudora program.  It is a unix PopMail
client that works very, very, very well.  You just need to be running a
popmail 3 demon (like popper) on the mail server.

> Thanks a lot gang.

Sure thing ... BTW - I think this will work very well.

John

John Howell
Deere & Company
(The Big Green Tractor People)
jrh@de.deere.com