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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Claytoon on the Couch (was Re: Stereotyping)
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:07:15 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <qcbn4+d.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.045151.17644@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>

@ >After reading some of the Claytoon's arguments on how gay
@ >people should ostracize NAMBLA, I'm surprised that he has not
@ >called upon the Republican Party to ostracize:

@ >A Jew-baiter and Nazi sympathizer whose father raised him to
@ >beat up other kids, who once punched out a cop, and who
@ >admires Joe McCarthy. [Pat Buchanan]

@ >A lifelong mediocrity who supported the Vietnam War while
@ >sitting it out in the National Guard, who has a gift for
@ >embarrassing himself with repeated gaffes, and who considers
@ >himself more-than-competent to criticize pop culture. [J.
@ >Danforth Quayle]

@ >A woman who went to law school yet who thinks that not being
@ >a full-time housewife goes against a woman's most fundamental
@ >nature. [Marilyn Quayle]

@ >And that's not the end of it, of course.

>Hmm. Interesting values there. So, to you, a political mediocracy (O.K.,
>that IS redundant) is the same as someone who is actively for child
>molestation to be legalized?

	I was simply asking why a nobody like Dan Quayle is supposed
to be fit for the highest office in the land.

	And why Marilyn Quayle feels that she has the right to attack
Hillary Clinton for having a law career when she herself went to law
school. If she was really serious about housewifery being the greatest
thing in the world, then why did she go to that trouble? Why didn't
she have the decency to quit high school? I suspect that she is simply
jealous of Hillary Clinton being more successful than her.

	Dan and Marilyn Quayle are one tacky couple.

	And your comments about legalizing child molestation... I
think that Melinda Shore has the right idea of what to call you :-)

>Let us all make sure YOU aren't in charge of triage.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
Subject: Re: Mr. Kaldis's "misogyny"
Distribution: na
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:13:31 CDT

In article <Aug.30.22.57.09.1992.22622@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>Every so often, the charge is put forth that I am, somehow, a
>"misogynist".  Such a charge is completely baseless, nevertheless,
>some see fit to advance it in an attempt to refute the timeless ideas
>and traditions upon which civilized western societies are based --
>never mind the fact that these ideas are irrefutable.  Shift the
>focus, then.  They suppose that if they can discredit the one who is
>standing up for and defending these ideas, they can somehow discredit
>the ideas themselves.  This is, essentially, nothing more than the old
>ad hominem argument.
>
Why would we think you don't like women, T*d?
Perhaps little comments like this:

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In article <May.30.06.59.46.1991.5245@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutger
s.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:

> (Suzanne is the only woman who deserves any respect here, though, as
> you mention, she is spoken for.)  Why should I mess around with
> self-loathing pond scum who would think nothing of murdering an unborn
> baby, when I can do so much better than this?

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>But I would like, at this point, to comment on an example of true
>misogyny that is all too prevalent (and too overlooked) within our
>society -- one that is, moreover, applauded by those who would like to
>portray me as a misogynist.  I am talking, of course, about the
>aberrant practice of homosexuality.
>
>What has brought this to mind is a recent posting by Clayton Cramer
>where he pointed out that the drag queens who march in so-called "gay
>pride" parades are basically an insulting parody of femininity.  Now I
>don't mean to suggest here that male homosexuality in all of its
>facets is an expression of misogyny, but it does indeed represent a
>profound failure on the part of some "men" to properly relate to
>women, particularly in the most intimate ways.  The homosexual is
>essentially a person who, for some reason, cannot come to terms with
>his own sexuality, and has turn to an aberrant behavior in an attempt
>to repudiate it.  Integral to such behavior, to either a greater or
>lesser extent, is misogyny.
>
You _have_ been hanging around Suzanne, haven't you?
By this standard, celibate men are guilty of the
'failure on the part of some "men" to properly relate
to women, particularly in the most intimate ways.'

Why do you think women value the frienship of homosexual
males so highly, if they are closet misogynists?  Would
you like to chalk this one up to 'Feminine Logic'?

Nice of you to drop in, T*d.  

muriel
standard disclaimer
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Picking and Choosing our References
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:49:11 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <12098@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <95089@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>CC #1:
>>>Indeed.  Does that mean that all [Holiness Code] rules were abolished? 
>>>No.

>>then, inexplicably, CC #2:
>>>As we have discussed, the New Testament wiped out the Holiness Code.

>>Which side are you taking, Clayton??

>The side of truth.

Awww, how noble of you. To think, one can't even use ones power of
reasoning to argue against false claims of truth.

>The New Testament condemnations of homosexuality are the ones 
>binding on Christians.

Give a good defense of why the word of Paul should take preference over
the word of Jesus.

Interpretations of Paul notwithstanding.

Brian
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: My Purpose In Getting NAMBLA Shunned
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:02:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <11846@optilink.UUCP> manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley) writes:

>Question: If these statements do in fact represent the beliefs of the
>people, both hetero- and homosexual alike, how can anyone who opposes
>child molestation find a way to support NAMBLA - when they refuse to
>moderate their position to at least exclude prepubescent children? 


Answer:  I can support someone's right to exist without supporting their
goals.  I think that the OCA has every right to exist.  I think that the
KKK has every right to exist.  I think that if any member of any of the
above organizations breaks the law they should be prosecuted.  However,
until they break the law, they can take part in any group advocating anything
that they would like.



FWA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Shameless Commerical Endorsement
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:38:44 GMT

Do the "First Tuesday in November" blues get you down?  Put a smile back on
your face: vote for George Bush and Dan Quayle with new, improved TFV[1]!
Why deal with the vagaries of real-life situations with their confusing
melange of two-career families, single-parent households, or differing sexual
orientations?  TFV will put that rosy tint back into your social perspective.

On the left is America without TFV.  Notice how dingy the whites are and how
the colors blend into a confusing mosaic.  But on the right, America with TFV
has whiter whites and the colors retain their purity!

Furthermore, TFV has an active ingredient that rids patriarchies of power-
robbing feminist sludge while restoring emissions and higher-mileage capital-
gains tax cuts to slow-starting rough-idling captains of industry.

Remember: it's George Bush and Dan Quayle with TFV for an America you can drive
to the brink, er, the bank!

[1] Traditional Family Values

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
"No I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should
they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."  --  George Bush
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: *BIG* Labor (AFL-CIO) endorses Clinton.  What a surprise (NOT!).
Keywords: Labor, unions, Clinton
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:21:35 GMT

In article <67611@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7122b@prism.gatech.EDU (R. Mandock) writes:
>
>The suspense is over.  Lane Kirkland and his AFL-CIO have endorsed Bill
>Clinton.  

Which is fascinating.  Clinton's positions are basically
anti-labor, and in the AFL-CIO's endorsement they acknowledged
their 'differences' with Clinton.  This should probably
be considered a metric for how poorly working people regard
George Herbert Hoover Bush.
-- 
"I would promptly inform any homosexual who would dare to proposition
me that my preference is fisting."  -- Theodore A. Kaldis

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: FACTOID: US Gov. Gobbles Up 60% of Nation's Credit
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 00:45:46 GMT

goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:

>The Wall Street Journal Monday, August 24, 1992 (reprinted without permission)

>Banks have been stuffing themselves with U.S. Treasury 
>securities.  
Because they are safe....and the regulators are quite testy at the moment
(wouldn't you be?).

>These holdings climbed 23.4% last year.  Commercial and
>industrial loans, on the other hand, shrank by 7.8%.  
Which of course leads to the credit-crunch we're seeing.  And it's only
going to get worse.  To the point where interest rates on Govt. Securities
have to rise to attract more capital.  And thus interest payments go up,
further worsening the debt, until there just isn't any more money to be
lent.  Then what??   You guessed it!  "Monetizing the debt".  Huh?  Oh,
you don't want doublespeak?  OK.  It means "printing money".

Think Argentina & Weimar Germany....


>Indeed, the Fed
>finds that the U.S. GOVERMENT GOBBLED UP 60% OF THE $465.7 BILLION
>RAISED IN ALL U.S. CREDIT MARKETS LAST YEAR, whereas in 1987 Washington
>borrowed only 20% of the 722.8 billion in credit issued.  Federal
>demand for credit will rise further this year in absolute terms and
>perhaps as a percentage of total credit issued as well.

Of course, there are foreign investors...but they only have so much money,
too....

This is the ticking time-bomb...and unless something is done right now,
it's going to spiral into either monetizing the debt, devaluing the
currency or hyper-inflation (or all three!) to 'solve' the problem.
And guess what, the creditors will demand indexing mortgages and other
loans to the new values....so they don't lose...but you do....

We have to reduce spending.  Now.  I'll even give you $1.00 in new taxes
(to pay down the debt) for every $4.00 in spending cuts.

 -Steve
--
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.election
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Christian Coalition
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.154315.17751@terminator.cc.umich.edu> clw@home.merit.edu (Chris Weider) writes:
>In article <BtLK25.DBw@phage.cshl.org> pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>>
>>This now from Bush's "coalition partners":
>>
>>Feminists want women to kill their children and practice witchcraft.
>>The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement
>>that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children,
>>practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
>>
>
>Pat, do you have a reference for this? Although with the hideous swerve
>to the religious right that the Repubs have made, I wonder just how long
>it will be before we have a theocracy in this country (a la Heinlein's
>'If this goes on...'

i'm at work now so all i can say is today's, 8/26/92, NYTimes.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Private Discrimination
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.022259.4028@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>js> Jim Stiver
>
>js> It is theoretically possible to be legally ignored to death under a lib-
>js> ertarian government.
>
>  ...and we know that we can be "helped" to death by a non-libertarian gov-
>  ernment. For example, the new FAA rules that states that young children
>  must be in a child seat on the plane.

Kudos to Gary Strand for incisively pointing out the inevitable
consequence of non-Libertarian government: child seats on airplanes.
What a mind.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:48:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: mydog in exile

According to gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch):
| >You won't go to jail for owing the IRS one dollar.

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
| Care to verify this assertion with the IRS?  I doubt they'll agree.

I find it fascinating that the libertarian mob here will
strain at the NEA and swallow Buchanan.

Libertarian, indeed.
-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
From: B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: 50,000 Homeless in Florida -- State Calls Up 4000 Guard.
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:33:00 GMT

Just a bit ago, a local radio talk show host, Kevin McCarthy on KLIF,
broadcast a phone conversation with the Governor's office in Florida.

During the interview, the Governor's office confirmed that no request
for Federal assistance had been made. McCarthy said that seemed odd
since the news media reported 250,000 people homeless, at which 
point the Governor's spokesman said the figure was 50,000 according 
to their estimates, and that the State had mobilized their guard units
to control looting and provide other assistance.

Could it be that the media is inflating the number of people impacted
by the destruction in an effort to politicize the issue? 

-- Sdt  "I reckon the best thing Government can do is keep out of the
         way and let those who really care do what's needed." 

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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: US Public Schools: Get Rid of All the Bureaucrats!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:05:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Aug26.035612.17000@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>	I was posting this example to show that there is a such a
>thing as private-sector short-sightednesss. Sure, all but one of the

Do you suggest then that some buerocrat (sp?) is going to do a better
job of predicting market changes.
-- 
--Mark
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Term Limits For All
Keywords: Congressional & Presidential Term Limits
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:10:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <BtLwqr.MHG@news.cso.uiuc.edu?? daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer) writes:

??I strongly agree with the (most) Republicans in their call for congressional
??term limits.  I used to live in Peoria, IL and Rep. Bob Michel (currently
??
??
		What do YOU think?


We already have term limits. It's called the right to vote! Use it! 

Mike
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GATT/NAFTA/FTA
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:30:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug25.163020.26099
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
>			    
>			    For example, one consequence was that ATI
>>in Toronto was able to buy more SGI work- stations for their special
>>effects subcontract on "Terminator 2".
>
>Well isn't that nice. I'm sure that will balance up the trade effects
>of the maquilidoras quite nicely.

That last thing that we need in Canada are more blue-collar jobs when
we have a broad and highly educated but underemployed white collar
pool.  Traditionally, our old world slowness in dealing with the free
market lead to a situation of branch plant corporatism where foreign
investors (mainly American, but I'm not laying any blame on anybody)
don't care to do research and development in Canada when they can
import Canadians to California (not that some of us would mind! (-;),
or establishment semi-monopolies (a big reason why Ontario opposed the
US-Canada Free Trade Agreement).  Homegrown successes do abound, such
as Northern Telecom and its Bell-Northern Research subsidiary (MCI and
the US federal government are among their biggest clients) who take
advantage of the domestic talent -- but we need more of them and the
entrepreneurial spin-offs that have arisen in Ottawa, the Vancouver
lower mainland, and the Montreal St. Lawrence valley (e.g., Ogivar).
Even before the US-Canada FTA, anticipation motivated changes to take
advantage of lower barriers and IBM Canada Research in Toronto went
from an advanced maintenance site for tax write-offs and P.R. to a
full-fledged IBM research division with technology development and
product mandate in telecommunications.  Amdahl announced that they
were expanding their Toronto software R&D facility last week, and in
spring Ericsson of Sweden chose to grow their Montreal R&D over doing
so in the United States for quality of life reasons towards European
staff that will be cycled through during projects ... the terms of the
FTA allow them to do so by fulfilling North American content.  Those
are the kind of jobs we need up north, not more people to harvest
maple syrup.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
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From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.rights.human,misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Macedonia: History and Reality
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:35:21 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:

>About all the quibbling over names:  Who the hell cares!?!
     [...]
>...        If this stupid confrontation about a name
>persists, we are going to see a human tragedy of immense proportions
>brought on because of a quarrel over a name.

No, Sir! The dispute over the ex-Yugoslavia republic of Macedonia is
**not** a confrontation about a name as some articles tend to represent. 
While Greece has always shown a good will for this republic and she
has guaranteed the existing borders of this republic from external
enemies (ie, when the Albanians made territorial claims because of the
strong Albanian population there), these people insist on their nationalistic
mania which has never stopped during the last 40 years; if you had read 
carefully the original article to which you refer, you would have been
surprised from the plethora of historical fallacies...

Greece has many reasons to seek stability at the region. She has promised 
any help to this republic but on the other hand she cannot give up her 
history because a handful of maniacs in Skopie want to; and for sure she
cannot permit another Bosnia near her northern border...

--rizos
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush loses post-convention bounce
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:02:07 GMT

sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>A NY Times - CBS Poll of 903 registered voters shows that Bush has lost
>his post-convention bounce remarkably fast, even for someone with Bush's
>ability to screw things up.

>The current standings in their poll are:

>Clinton: 51%
>Bush:    36%

>This is widely different from a post-convention poll which showed
>Clinton leading by 45% to 42%. That one was a poll of 1186 voters.
>53% disapprove of Bush's handling of his job, 38% approve. This 
>figure is virtually the same as before the convention.
Cool!!!
There are basically, THRE polls, aren't there?
NYT-CBS.
ABC-Washington Post
and CNN-USA Today?

What's going on in the other polls? I knew that in the ABC poll Bush never even
registered a bounce.

>The race for '92 is over!!! GOP '96 aspirants, start your engines.
Well, this is a BIT premature, but it's cool to hear, anyway! :-)

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. **Clinton-Gore '92!**
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door."
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