From: wyle@synopsys.com (Mitch Wyle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: return receipt
Summary: edit headers
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:16:47 GMT
Organization: Synopsys, Inc.

In <1992Aug25.135557.25132@qualcomm.com> 
sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:

>A message is read when its contents are displayed to someone.  I don't
>think the line is hard to draw.

and if the user later marks that message as unread?

There are unfortunate complexities where the MTA can assume the MUA
will never reply to return receipts and therefore replies that the
message was delivered.

There is also that stupid X-View-To: line that came up in a discussion
in comp.mail.misc  a few months ago.

>>I don't want my privacy invaded by *my* mail user agent.
>>I've "read" a message is me and I do that by replying. If I don't care
>>to acknowledge receipt of your message that's my affair.
>
>Were I to put such a feature in my MUA, I would make it settable:
>
>	[ ] Never respond to return receipts
>	[ ] Always respond to return receipts
>	[ ] Ask about return receipts
>
>Those with paranoid delusions could use "Never".

>Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
>Yes, I'm still working on Eudora and it's still free.



In addition to using the shell and my editor (vi) on UNIX to compose and
send messages, I also use mush/zmail to read mail.  Recently, I tried
Eudora for a few hundred messages (i.e. 2 hours).  Eudora is comfortable
and if I tell her to queue up replies and not bother me by polling (ugh!)
every few minutes, it is eminently usable; good job, Steve!

However, I *really* want to edit headers.  I sometimes add Errors-To:
lines and an occasional Return-Receipt-To: line.  Being able to
edit headers is very important to me.  I feel crippled in most UAs.
Mail headers are just text!  Why add the silly complexity of having
``headers'' separate from a text message?  I understand that the envelope
is separate and I don't want the UA to give me control over the way it
calls the MTA or passes envelope info.

If I think the recipient will understand, I'll occasionally add a

X-Vote-For: Dave Barry for president!

Put an ``edit headers'' option in Eudora, please.

There is a famous mail message that floats around the internet, and
resembles something like:

X-Path: <wyle@synopsys.com>
X-Really-From: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Mitchell Wyle)
Organization: Synopsys Inc.
X-Future-Organization: Pie in the Sky Enterprises
X-Precedence: high
X-Clearance: 7' 8"
Reply-To: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Mitchell Wyle)
X-Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich
X-XMailer: MH [version 7.8.96]
Priority: Normal
X-Return-Receipt-To: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Receipt)
X-War-Path: Mailer on the war path, Ooooh ah ah ah!
Reply-To: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Mitch Wyle)
X-Save-The-World: /bin/rm -rf /afs
Errors-To: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Mail Error)
X-vote-4:  Dave Barry for president!
X-Starship: Grippen
X-Weather: partly cloudy with scattered showers through the afternoon
X-Sender: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Sender)
X-Best-Lingerie: white fishnet stockings
X-References: <92051710.AA1988@orion.inf.ethz.ch>,<AA19988@orion.inf.ethz.ch>
X-Product-Manager:  mailsplit, m8, metatool
X-Message: Ohm  Ohm  Ohm
X-Mantra: Watt  Joul  Erg
X-Maharishi: Transcendental Sexie Sadie
X-Home_Phone: 011 411 363 5476
X-Work_Phone: 011 411 254 7224
X-Presidents: Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon
X-400: is evil and must be destroyed
X-400-Mailer: PP is no better; kill it too.
X-Remote-Execution-Command: /bin/rm -rf /
X-Longitude: 38' 40.5"
X-Lattitude: 12' 28.7"
X-Elevation: 100 meter ueber Meer
X-Cute-Saying: Don't try to stem the tide -- move the beach.
X-Msmail-Message-Id:  66263612
X-Msmail-Conversation-Id:  66263612
X-Msmail-Wiseremark:  Microsoft Mail -- 3.2.640
X-Favorite-Color: blue
X-Language: English
X-Conversion: forbidden
X-Best-Position: censored
X-Translation: none
X-Termination-Date: Friday Jun 26 17:00:00 MET DST 1992
X-Men: lousy band, Ex-men are now women
X-Mailer: m8
X-Originator: <wyle@synopsys.com> (originator)
X-Creator:  <wyle@synopsys.com> (You are the kirk; you are the creator)
X-Favorite-Star-Trek-Episode: Balance of Terror
X-Received: from oval.whitehouse.gov (bozo.cia.gov) by uunet.uu.net (yeah)
X-Id: nuclear; Wed, 20 May 94 10:45:43 EDT
X-Via: atomic.global.thermonuclear.war.gov
X-With: link-mail protocol version 8.9upsilon
X-For: <wyle@synopsys.com> (received for)
X-Message-Id: <1@mw.su>
X-NeXT: no
X-Resent-Reply-To: <wyle@synopsys.com> (Resent replies)
X-Resent-From: <bush@oval.whitehouse.gov> (the boss, not Springsteen)
X-Orig-Date: Wed, 20 May 94 10:45:43 EDT
X-Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 94 11:45:43 EDT
X-Resent-Message-ID: <verbosity@almost.as.bad.as.x.400>
X-Window-System: Moo!
X-Emacs-Header-Protocol: emacs v.19.77.954theta
X-Orig-IM-Force: Phelps, Barney, Jim, Gina, Fred
X-Resent-Sender: "the secretary will disallow all knowledge" mission@imp.com
To: sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com
Subject: headers

I do not understand your concern regarding mail header proliferation.