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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Destroy Sun -> Destroy Earth
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:46:00 GMT

All the talk around hear has centered on destroying the earth via many
energy intensive applications, but, why not destroy the sun first ?
Think of it, without the sun this planent becomes cold, lifeless, and
barren - exactly what we want !! Why would destroying the sun be easier 
than destroying the earth ? Because:
 a) If we fucked up destroying the Earth, we might only destroy ourselves
    thus ruling out any further attempt, however, if we botched destroying
    the sun we would still be around to try again.
 b) From a processes standpoint the sun is a much easier thing to understand
    than the Earth, basically, it is just a really big fusion reactor with
    alot of fuel.
 c) Destroying the sun is a final solution, there would be no doubt as to
    the outcome if the sun was destroyed i.e. the earth becomes a really
    big charcoal briquet in the resulting explosion and/or the earth falls
    out of orbit and becomes a really big comet orbiting around somebody 
    elses sun.

Alright so how do we do it ?  I think there is two strategies involved
here; either blow it up in one big extravagant swoop or acclerate the rate
at which it burns its fuel to the point where things get too hot around here
to sustain life or the sun just runs out of fuel much sooner. How could these
strategies be carried out ? I don't know but, I think as we gain more
understanding of fusion the answer will become apparent. So, support those
Russian physicists, they alone can achieve our goal. Of course, if this sets
off a master plan of you own, feel free to respond.

George.
(I have taken the first step by destroying my .sig file)
From: rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <kduN8Jm00VB9I4DGV0@andrew.cmu.edu>, jj22+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Joseph Jantos) writes...
>It's been my impression that the people posting to this newsgroup are
>pathetic non-conformist wanna-be's ... 
>   Stuff deleted.

	As a poster to this group, you are characterizing youself by this
statement as well!

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Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: rommel@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (David Lawrence Miller)
Subject: A question of perfection...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:17:07 GMT



	I've been following this group for a while and it occurs to me  
that some very good ideas come forward, but they won't _completely_  
eradicate life as we know it (the deep sea factor, notably).
	Has anyone considered how long it would take for that life to  
evolve into anything sentient enough to muck about the planet as we do? I  
guess a few billion years, after we kill everything else.  I guess my  
point is, how long before the sun goes kablooey?  If there were just a  
little life around then, I wouldn't mind too much... but I guess I'm not a  
perfectionist.  Whaddaya think?

					Rommel
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: nice depiction of earth's destruction
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:18:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: world,local

Yes again.  This is one of the most fascinating S.F. books I've run across
in a long time.  An alien force attacks the earth in a whole bunch of ways
and *wins*.  No motivation is ever given.  They finally accomplish it by
tossing a pair of little newtron stars at us that are orbiting each other.
The kicker is that one of them is anti-newtrons.  They pass to the center
as if through a gas and collapse in toward each other as they loose energy
through viscous friction.  It takes weeks but they finally do go boom at
the end.

The final description and the way two people in particular meet and touch
while climbing a mountain so that they can sit and fully see and experience
as much as posssible of the Earth's last moment is highly moving.

Right up there with Childhood's End in my opinion.  There is an important
part I'm not telling but you'll have to read it for that.  It is just as
powerful.

"The Forge of God", Greg Bear, 1987
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:56:16 -0400 
From: Ronald William Ely <re0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A question of perfection...

Well, life first started moving onto land about 300-400 million years ago,
so if we killed off everything except deep sea life we'd probably have about
that long before it started all over again... plenty of time before the sun
dies out in any case.  And don't forget that there are now higher lifeforms
that live in the oceans, like whales and dolphins.  If they managed to survive
we could see sentient life re-emerge in as little as 10 million years or so!
    The trouble is if there's anything left of the earth, intelligent life
would probably redevelope sooner or later, unless there was some sort of
sentinet life left behind to prevent it.
    Personally, I think we should give up this blowing up the earth idea
and concentrate  on engineering a replacement for the human race, preferably
one without the gene that makes people act like assholes.
Keep a good thought

---Ron Ely
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:37:41 -0400 
From: Joseph Wei-Cheng Ku <jk73+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Getting rid of Ocean Dwellers

this won't work because of  one reason: takes too long. 
by the time we remove enough salt from the oceans, the salt water
creatures will have enough time to adopt/evolve to their new eviroment,
and the fresh water creatures will be able to migrate into the oceans
etc... unless there is a dramatic change in the salt content of both the
oceans and the rivers, (say, within five years, which is very unlikely)
there wouldn't be too much irreversable damage to the eco sys. 
Then my suggestion is this. We need to do more research to find a way to
start a nuclear reactions  with just plain water, cold fusion is
preferred, but splitting oxygens might not be bad either(probably hard
to do, huh? but like I said, more research). If we can start some type
of  reaction, not only can we evaporate all the water on this planet, we
could also burn this planet into ciders with the energy produced by this
reaction, which will result in the true destruction of the earth (the
crust and atomsphere at least), making it absolutely inhabitable. 

-jk
From: bas@phys.uva.nl (Bas de Bakker)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:33:34 GMT
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
In-reply-to: jj22+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 13:52:21 GMTLines: 23

>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 13:52:21 GMT, jj22+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Joseph Jantos) said:

jjj>It's been my impression that the people posting to this newsgroup are
jjj>pathetic non-conformist wanna-be's who get kicks out of trying to

You're posting to this group, so ...

jjj>think up ways to destroy the earth (either eliminating the
jjj>"togetherness" off all the earths atoms or destroying ALL life as we
jjj>know it) knowing that a reasonable, effective, and possible solution
jjj>does not exist, and even if one did exist, they wouldn't try to
jjj>implement it even if they were organized and had sufficient funds.

You're wrong. If we could, we most definitely would.

jjj>IMNSHO, this bboard is a stupid joke.

IMNSHO, you're a stupid joke.
This group is probably the most useful one of USENET.

jjj>-bbz

Bas de Bakker.
From: bas@phys.uva.nl (Bas de Bakker)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:40:39 GMT
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
In-reply-to: RED103@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 00:44:03 GMTLines: 18

>>>>> "r" == RED103  <RED103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
r>      I would like to know why it is important to destroy the earth.  It
r>      seems that anyone who would advocate this has a death wish unless
r>      there is an alternative living enviroment proposed. However, the
r>      tone of the posts here don't reflect an interest in living altern-
r>      atives.  If then you want to die, why don't you just kill yourselves
r>      and leave the earth for those who would like to save it.

r>                                                        Thank You,
r>                                                            RED

The ideas of the participants here obviously differ, but w.r.t. mine,
you've got it sort of reversed.

The point is that I want to destroy most other people. That it will be
inevitable to kill myself as well is just a side effect.

Bas de Bakker.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 12:03:54 EDT
From: <JFG110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: destroying the planet with anti-matter.

    Would the individual who wanted to destroy the earth with some sort of
  anti-matterbomb of positrons or anti-protons please repost his questionable
  article to be looked over by a more competant physics major who has played
  with this stuff.

From
TESLA
From: RED103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:40:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92104.104049RED103
Organization: Penn State University

I don't think I'm the "poor child" who needs lectured here, especially if you b
elive destroying all life is your ticket to "a better place".  I think I will t
ake the advice of posting to another newsgroup and stop wasting my time (and
yours apparently) here.

                                                Thanks,

                                                       RED
From: bquinn@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Trouble)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: beauracracy used properly...
Keywords: Lemon Meringue Pie
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:09:25 GMT
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

Actually, the name of the book I was referring to before, about the black
hole which is set to orbiting within the earth, is not called _Earth_.  I
just remembered what it's called, _The Krone Experiment_.  I don't know
how recent _Earth_ is, but I read this book some 3 years ago.  It's very well
written and Clancy-esque book, as at first nobody has any idea of the existence
of this thing, and it has just sunk a Russian carrier. Naturally the Russians
think it's some sort of weapon, and the book deals with the search for an 
explanation and finally a solution.  In the end they figure out how to destroy
it, and it most emphatically does not save earth. So apparently there are two
books with relatively similar themes out there, and I have no idea which came 
first.  Anyhoo, I hope this clears up some confusion, and maybe sets a few
people off to the library to find this nifty little book.
From: rone@chort.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 21:35:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: chort.usc.edu

In article <92104.104049RED103@psuvm.psu.edu> RED103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I don't think I'm the "poor child" who needs lectured here, especially if you 
>belive (sic) destroying all life is your ticket to "a better place".  I think
>I will take the advice of posting to another newsgroup and stop wasting my 
>time (and yours apparently) here.

Good! Good boy!

>                                                Thanks,
>                                                       RED

No, thank YOU.... bonehead! :)

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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Subject: micro-singularity (was Re: deadly ?)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:15:52 GMT


In a previous article, bquinn@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Trouble) says:

>There was a book written, sorry, can't remember the title, about a man who 
>accidentally created a miniature black hole and set it orbiting within the 
>earth itself.  I'm talking about a really tiny black hole, not much bigger 

I haven't done the calculations on this recently,
 but I seem to remember that such a small black
 hole would lose its energy (pronounced "mass")
 in the form of x-rays much faster than it can
 gain weight from the earth.  In short, it would
 burn out + explode.  

I may be wrong about that.  But just for the record,
 if a miniature black hole did consume the earth,
 the rest of the solar system would hardly notice,
 not even the moon.  The total amount of mass would
 be the same, so the gravitational effect would be
 identical, as long as you don't get closer than 
 a few thousand miles.  You'd just have a black
 hole about the size of a ping pong ball orbiting
 the sun where the earth used to be.
-- 
Francis A. Uy
fau@po.cwru.edu
cs201329@umbc5.ubc.edu
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From: The Shadow <swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: destroying the planet with (pick a substance)
Keywords: big ball go boom
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:03:27 -0500


from what i remember reading on here a while back the earth is sposed
to be totally destroyed...  otherwise life might evolve again on it
after a millenia or so.

-Shadow
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sunday, 5 Apr 1992 21:48:42 EDT
From: <JDK116@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: destroying the planet

Hmmm...interesting news group, havn't come across this one before. But here I a
m.

Why is everyone getting so tech involved? I think, from the look of things, it'
s a rather easy endeavor to destroy the earth. Just let man continue as he is,
that ought to t
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From: mitchell@seas.smu.edu (Gary Mitchell)
Subject: GWAR
Keywords: Gor-Gor
Organization: Brute Force Productions
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:18:55 GMT

Let me recommend a good soundtrack to all this ADTE discussion. Buy GWAR's
"America Must Be Destroyed" album. Sure, it's metal -- got a problem with
that, wimp? :) -- but it's inspiring. For instance, the great and violent
crack-addicted tyrannosaur Gor-Gor. At the least, it'll assure you that
you are reading the right newsgroup.

Gary Mitchell -- mitchell@star0.seas.smu.edu
From: gevingca@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Corey A. Geving  1498520)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Some of us Really DO have a deathwish...
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:56:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr16.215631.8780
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

I applaude you all..

I also think that not all of us are indulging ourselves in suicide
fantasies.  In the manner of every human being that this deplorable
planet has ever spawned, we wish to destroy, to have total control.
Throughout history, the greatness of mankind has been measured by their
control over the lives of others.  Consider the Turks' reaction to the
doings of Vlad the Impaler ("How can we fight a man as great as this?"),
and the dozens of other despots who, due primarily to boredom, became
obsessed with destruction.  It is our nature, and those who strive to
stall the destruction of our world through 'green' living are hypocritic
fools who are going against the grain of humanity.  This brings up the
point that, no matter how far our technology brings us, we will never
rise from the status of a race of destroyers.  (Yet another valid reason
to destroy the earth: if you want to promote life and peace in the
universe, the first thing on your agenda should be to destroy the human
race.)  

Has anyone considered colonizing a nearby plant, using its resources to
build a system of robotics which would lob weapons from that vantage
point constantly until they were also engulfed in the burgeoning sun?  I
have tried to figure out ways to effectively end the earth from
planetside, but the hitch is that you would either be stopped of miss
something.  Machines are the way to go, in my (weak) opinion.  Humans
tend to crack under pressure.  The other method foremost in my mind
concerns a first step toward total destruction of the earth: blocking
out the sun.  According to 'The Asteroid and the Dinosaur' a NOVA series
which considered the asteroid theory of the extinction of the dinosaurs,
the main reason for the extinctions was the fact that the impact threw
up a dense cloud of particles which entered some sort of orbital or
sub-orbital pathway, allowing them to be dispersed quickly and
effectively throughout the atmosphere, thus blocking off enough of the
sun to cause plankton death and plant death.  If this were created
artificially, and extended for a longer period, it might serve to wipe
out life on a grand scale, allowing furthur measures to be taken.

Opinions are mine, I type, since I haven't figured out the f**king
signature thing on this archaic system...

"From Hell, Mr. Lusk, Sir, I send you half of one woman's kidney..."
					-Jack the Ripper
From: wmperry@cherry.ucs.indiana.edu (William M. Perry)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: nice depiction of earth's destruction
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:44:38 GMT
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Distribution: world,local
Organization: Computer Science Student, Indiana University

In article <1992Apr9.180659.6431@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> The Shadow <swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
>Path: bronze!swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>From: The Shadow <swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
>Keywords: big ball go boom
>Organization: Indiana University
>References: <8APR199221281069@nereid.sunquest.com> <1992Apr9.174819.4884@javelin.sim.es.com> <1992Apr9.180331.5979@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
>Distribution: world,local
>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:06:48 -0500


>I believe that the book I am thinking of is called "The Forge of God."
>I do not, however, remember the author.  There is a fantastic
>description in there of the earth's total and complete destruction,
>though.

>You folks here might appreciate reading that...

>-Shadow

The author is Greg Bear, and it is  a very interesting book.   I would
recommend it to anyone reading/posting to this newsgroup. ;)

-Bill P.
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From: whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen)
Subject: Re: First posting
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:23:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.021337.23591@news.cs.indiana.edu> Rick McGlinchey <rmcglinc@ugly.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>Hi folks,
>Tesla once.  He said Tesla had this theory about some kind
>of tower/generator/electricity-emmitor thing that, if ever built
>and activated, would effictively split the earth in half!

Tesla was a psychotic weirdo...

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From: rone@wezea.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re:    Why ?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 06:57:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: wezea.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr16.045748.21482@muddcs.claremont.edu> dproudfo@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kekoa Proudfoot) writes:

>I repeat:  The earth will not be destroyed.  Not in the sense that it will
>           be shattered into several pieces or burnt in a fireball of any
>           sort.

HA! I love a challenge. 
	Just give me a bit o' time to graduate.... MUAHAHAHAHA

5150

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From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: another first post
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:47:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: melon.SANTOS.92Apr17114752
Distribution: alt.destroy.the.earth
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.

Hi fellows conspirators !

I'm learning the "how to use" of that stuff now, so forgive me some mistakes
(specially in english language - a brazilian living in japan have some
difficulties in languages).
I have some questions about this group, and I'll hope somebody waste some time
answering that:
1st: the main idea is destroying (a) life on earth or (b) only human beings or 
(c) the earth itself or any other exotic alternative ?
2nd: the "methods" supposed to be used are chemicals, nuclear, phisics, etc.
Did you ever thought about psychological methods like a global dissemination
of some weird religion of death cult and letting ALL (or just some billions of)
the humans beings do the job ? 
3rd: please explain what IMHO and other things like that are !
Just to remember, some interesting movies on the subject:
- One with Charlton Heston, I dont remember the name in English, about a virus
  (pre-Aids) which was disseminated in the Earth killing almost all and turning
  some in some kind of zombies. He was the physician whom discovered the cure
  (and died).
- The (excellent, in my opinion) Carpenter's (not the singers !)"The Thing". It will need
  an alien thing. Did everybody knows one ?

Thanks for the attention; see you later...

Rafael.