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From: jhblank@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Joey H. Blankenship)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Arai Quantum Helmet II
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:13:28 GMT
Expires: 1 Dec 92 00:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: jhblank@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Joey H. Blankenship)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

This a follow-up to an article I posted earlier concerning some opinions of
the Arai Quantum helmet.

Currently I wear a Shoei HZ.  Through the approximately 4 years of use, the
cushions have gotten worn and it does not fit as well as it used to.  It is
also louder than it was when I bought it.  I believe that this is due to the
worn cushions not giving me the same fit that I had when the helmet was new.
 
In order to pick a new helmet, I look at the motorcycle magazines.
Particularly to helmet reviews and racing articles.  Arai and Shoei are close
to the top from what I have read and seen.  Bell probably comes in third.  My
reasoning for looking at the racing articles is to see what kinds of helmets
the racers wear.  Most of their stuff is donated by sponsors, so I would
think
that they would only choose the best when it comes to safety gear.  Same goes
for the guys testing bikes for the mags.  Very rarely do I see them wearing
something other than Arai, Shoei, or Bell.
 
After doing my reading, I mail-ordered a Shoei RF200.  I bought one for my
wife about 2 years ago, and she thinks it's great.  Not so for me.  It was
louder than my HZ, and I didn't really like the fit.  So I sent it back.
 
I then went to a couple of motorcycle shops to try on helmets.  I've gotten
the field narrowed to the Shoei X-8 and the Arai Quantum at this point.
Nobody carried the X-8  in my size, so I tried on Arai Signets and Quantums.
The fit is great on both.  The Quantum is the newer design and lighter as a
result.  The Quantum appears to have better venting in the chin bar and there
is also a reversable vent on the top.  The Quantum also has a spoiler in the
chinbar that you can extend to  cut down on wind noise.  It is about $250
mailorder plus shipping.
 
So now before I buy one, I am trying to do the following:
 
1) Find a motorcycle shop that will let me take one for a test ride in order
   to see how quiet the helmet is before I buy.  However since I am going to
   buy it mail-order, this is probably not possible.  I will probably just
   order it then send it back if I don't like it.
 
2) Get some opinions from those who have already bought a Quantum.  This may
   tell me if I want to even bother with ordering it.
 

I was told that I may get some info from rec.motorcycles.reviews, but I don't
know where to access this info.  Any info on the Quantum is appreciated and 
any info on accessing rec.motorcycles.reviews is also appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Joey.

'91 Katana 750
DoD #404


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Fiamms...
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:43:00 GMT

cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.040027.1919@colorado.edu> matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:

>>Believe what Blaine says.  He is, after all, the resident expert on
>>heterodyned frequencies.  If you've ever seen him dart across the road 
>>when a deer whistle passes by, you know what I'm talking about.

Sheesh, I go riding for a few days, and people start slandering me. :-)
Actually deer whistles have no effect on me since I don't believe in
them. I'm still waiting for the expert report on the effectivity of bug
whistles though. (Say, wasn't this how this repetition of the Fiamm
thread began?)

>Ahhh, but what does the smell of lemon pledge do to him??

It makes me go riding. The scent of Lemon Pledge means that I have a
clean & shiny face shield, so what else could I do but ride?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters 
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:56:21 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug14.153146.16745@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
> 
> 	Last night while happily riding down the road, this cager comes up
> 	behind me.  Not just behind me, but practically up my arse.  Me not
>
> 	What would YOU do ?

ah yes, grasshopper.  no good comes of confronting an asshole on his
terms.  usually it just makes your insurance rates go up.  plus you
have to remember that people ONLY do these really frightfully
disgusting things when they are certain that they can do so in
anonymity.  so destroying that anonymity is a good way to break them
of such habits. 

pull over, let him get ahead. (this is key. assholes in front of you
are much safer than assholes behind you :-)  follow him home. already
you have scared the piss out of him, because he envisions you as a
dangerous biker type who NOW knows where he (or his girlfriend) lives.

if you're immature and have all night, blast by his house about every
10 minutes in 2nd gear and let off a gronk from your fiamms. 

if you're serious about teaching this guy a lesson and have balls, get
the phone number (if i have to tell you how to do this, you're too
young to be reading this), call him up and leave a nice message on the
machine, something like, "hi.  this is the motorcyclist whom you
attempted to run down tonight.  please call my lawyer in the morning
at --- --- ----.  if you would like to discuss it, you can call me
first at my office, and i'll be happy to explain my position to you.
my office (i hope you work somewhere like "the canadian irs") number
is --- --- ----.  have a nice evening."

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Torque VS. Horse power: What is the difference????
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:05:40 GMT

In article <16pohuINNp4v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sandman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>
>Alright. I know what torque is a measurement of, but I don't know
>how horsepower relates to that.
>
>Could someone please compare the relationship of torque curves and
>horsepower curves?

This again. This should go in the FAQ too, no?

Short answer:

torque = power * speed at which engine turns

(neglecting drivetrain losses)

Yes, they are related and the curves are always given as a function
of RPM. You use your gear box to choose where you want to be depending
on what you're doing.

If you're riding up a big hill you want to be at the point of maximum
torque. If you still have a fair bit of torque at high RPM (lots of power)
then you can go really fast. Trucks have lots of torque to move big
things, but they can only move them slowly. GP cars have lots of power but
they can't tow an RV up a big hill, because they have decent torque at
high RPM but not lots of torque ever.

I won't win any literary awards today.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
High power, low torque:
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: Caere Corp.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:29:44 GMT

Oh dear.  This group is in worse shape than I thought ...

zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG) writes:
>I have noticed the fact that left hand turns maybe harder than right
>hand turns maybe also caused by improper handle of the throttle. As
>when turning to your right, you push your right handle bar away, as a
>result of contersteering, and this tend to close the throttle a little
>bit, which will slow down the bike and make it easier to turn; On the
>other hand, when turn to your left, you push the left handle bar out
>and pull right in, a motion which will open the throttle and make it
>harder to turn.

Zy, pay attention to your bike sometime when you're turning.  In the
typical highway speed turn, your countersteering input does not result
in any movement of the handlebar away from you.  It does generate a
lean, and once the lean is established the geometry of the front
steering mechanism forces the wheel to turn to follow the turn.

Example:  You press on the right handlebar to generate a lean to the
right.  Immediately the motorcycle begins leaning, and the frame
geometry causes the front wheel to turn to the right.  As the wheel
turns, the right handlebar moves _towards_ you.

With an aggressive push, it _is_ common to deflect the wheel away from
the desired turning direction, but the deflection is only momentary,
and the resulting lean immediately forces the wheel to follow the
turn.

Now you are on to something regarding the throttle, but you have the
problem backwards.  When the right handlebar moves towards you, the
tendency is to roll OFF the throttle.  Rolling off the throttle in a
turn destabilizes the suspension.  At the very least, it makes the turn
uncomfortable.  At the worst (I'm told) the abrupt shift in traction
availability can cause a skid.

This is one reason that right hand turns might be perceived as more
difficult or problematic than left hand turns.

You will improve your turning dramatically by slowing more BEFORE you
turn to an entry speed that will allow you to accelerate gradually
throughout the turn.

Join us for the DoD ERC in Newark (30 miles south of you in Berkeley)
on September 12 or 13.

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Caere Corp.
mojo@caere.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Another DoD first (was: Re: jeff Achenbach)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.032740.8784@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>
>but they were *very thick* glazeds/glazed's/glazedes/whatever -- doughnuts.
>you should have kept watching, though; you missed the incredible finale
>(i couldn't say 'climax') with the girl, llama, and tennis balls.
>
So Cliff, are you trying to say that the holes were of smaller that usuall
size??


-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: dstine@cisco.com (David Stine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Gun control in California
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:42:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: ca
Organization: BitBashers, Ltd.
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.

In article <1992Aug18.172017.477@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <36941@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>>Like the helmet bill, they didn't actually care about "trivia"
>>>like whether or not their claims were true or not.
>>
>>Helmet law?  You mean the claims are wrong, and responsible drivers
>>are safe on motorcycles without a helmet?  Wow...
>
>The claim was that the "public" was spending a disproportionate amount
>of money saving motorcycle riders.  It's a plausible argument, but it
>happens to be wrong.

Further, when people cornered Dick Floyd (the helmet bill's sponsor) for
facts, he responded with words to the effect that "..the facts aren't
important! It's a good law and it's going to be passed!"

rec.moto people, correct me if I err.

>As to whether or not one can safely ride without a helmet, I'll let
>the folks in rec.motorcycles discuss that with Johnson.  I'll just
>point out that it is ILLEGAL for car drivers to wear a helmet, and the
>reason given for that restriction is that a helmet interferes with
>their sight and hearing.  I wonder why Johnson thinks that helmets
>don't have that effect on motorcycle riders.

Which was just one of the little discrepancies pointed out to "Dick" Floyd.
The end result is what you see today.

I'm sure that the words we would hear out of more legislators if they had
enough honesty to utter them would be:

"Don't confuse me with the facts! I have my mind made up."

Please note followup line.

dsa
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: story@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Doug Story)
Subject: Re: New Kawasaki
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142218.9389@linus.mitre.org>, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.130931.6458@linus.mitre.org> pab@security.mitre.org (Paul A. Bicknell) writes:
>>Anyway it was a 1100cc standard, no body work, no fairing, just two
>>wheels (the rear was massive), tank, seat, and a DOHC 4 with 8 plugs,
>>air cooled I believe. It definately looks like a big brother to the
>>550/750 Vulcan (? I'm not sure of the name of the current standard models). 
>>
>1100cc Zephyr maybe?
>
>
>-- 
>| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
>| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
>| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
>| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

The bike is called ZR1100-A2 . Kawasaki can not use the name Zephyr any more. 
It is beautiful but costs 6999.00$ only 100.00$ less than a new Concours.
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet speakers - info wanted
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:42:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug12.154222.27122
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <71019@apple.Apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
>
>>In article <71003@apple.Apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>>>zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
>>>
>>>>I'm looking for some way to alleviate the boredom of those long
>>>>highway rides.
>>>
>>Stuff deleted
>>>--
>>>Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
>
>>Why don't you get a motorcycle that is fun to ride?  Or get off the
>>highway and on to a road that is fun to ride on?
>
>And why don't you learn how to use your editor and flame the right person?
>
>--
>Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?

I must have been driving while blind

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:01:27 GMT
Organization: Tegra, Inc., Billerica, MA
In-reply-to: mojo@Caere.COM's message of 20 Aug 92 21:54:25 GMT


mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) says

> Wait a minute, wait a minute.  If the motorcycle is accelerating,
> weight is transferred rearward.  How could a drive shaft possibly
> counteract that?  I've watch a lot of motorcycles in a lot of ERCs
> accelerating through turns, and I've never seen one that didn't extend
> the forks while accelerating.
>
> Mojo
> (CMSP Site Coordinating Instructor, San Jose South)
> -- 
> Morris Jones
> Caere Corp.
> mojo@caere.com


  When you roll on the throttle on a shaft drive bike the rear end will stand 
up which will cause weight to be shifted to the front of the bike.  

  BMW designed the paralever which lets the rear end rotate around the drive
shaft instead of letting the torque reaction stand the bike bike up. 

Andy
----
 _____
|     | Andrew Hull    | There are only two sports...
|Tegra| (508) 663-7435 | Motor racing and mountain climbing.
 -----  DoD 0405       | {...sun!sunne ..uunet}!tegra!hull
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swlrei (SCOTT LILLIOTT)
Subject: Re: DoD Battle Hymn.... Final Days.... Get Your Votes In !
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:27:38 GMT

vsk@is.morgan.com (Victor Kazdoba) writes:

>Another vote for Meatloaf - Bat Out of Hell
>-- 
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>|Morgan Stanley & Co, Inc.               Internet:   vsk@is.morgan.com     |
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My apologies for not seeing this earlier but I'd been diconnected from the
net for about 7 months now and just got back on this week ...

As a musician and biker I'd like to offer another choice:

Train Kept a Rollin'		Yardbirds/Aerosmith

sorry for the delay ...
S.

-- 
   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
    #   AMA #600897             "You don't have to live on the edge,  #
     #   DoD #0227               you just have to know where it is." #
      #  US/INOA #8563                     -- me                    #
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: stm@sequent.com (Scott "Worf" MacQuarrie)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:42:46 GMT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:

>>> i prefer the mafia's line: "revenge is a dish best serve cold."

>>Didn't Ricardo Montebalm say that in Wrath of Khan?

>Obviously the Mafia grew up watching Star Trek. Perhaps Paramount should
>sue them for plagarisim?

Actually, "revenge is a dish best served cold" is a Mongol saying commonly attributed to
Gengis Khan. As Ricardo's character was obviously of similiar decent - they used the
line. 

I thought the line was brilliant, as Ricardo's character is NOT following his own advice.

Oh well...enough Star Trek and back to our regularly scheduled newsgroup.


Scott T. MacQuarrie                  Marketing Training Developer 
                                       Sequent Computer Systems   
     stm@sequent.com                Beaverton, OR      503-578-5456 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
     safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."  -  Benjamin Franklin

-- 
Scott T. MacQuarrie                  Marketing Training Developer 
                                       Sequent Computer Systems   
     stm@sequent.com                Beaverton, OR      503-578-5456
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: GPNDG
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:07:53 GMT
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu

I am back from the GPNDG first.  I win.

Ride Free,

Bill
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                                                        Zen verse
From: stm0@gte.com (Steven McClure)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:45:58 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

Well, last time I insured my bike it cost a total of $129.  No collision,
or other big frills, but I upped the liabilities to $100K/$300K.  This is
for a Kawi GPZ 750 Turbo in Massachusetts.  Biggest surprise I ever got
was when I first insured it.  Something like $109 for everything (this
was a few years ago.)  I figured lots more.  I just got a quote for next
years projected, and it's $159 w/out collision.  Your mileage may vary.

-- Steve

-- 
   Steven T McClure     '84 GPZ 750 Turbo pilot        stm0@gte.com or
GTE Government Systems         DoD #0425              stm0@bunny.gte.com
  Needham, Ma. 02194            /*  Insert standard disclaimer here. */
Beta software: 'beta than nothing, and that's usually all it is...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:34:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.183836.18593@walter.bellcore.com> jyri@thumper.bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki) writes:
|specify it; aren't 'insurance' and 'rip-off' synonyms?). Anyway, are all
|these ludicrous prices for real? I mean, are all you people with ZX-11's,
|CBR's, (are all the "'"'s correct :-) and other sport-bikes paying amounts
|like those for insurance?!! That's absolutely insane! I'm currently

  I pay $440/year for full coverage/$500 deductable/higher than minimum
liability (50/100/100 I recall) - on a 1990 ZX-11.  Absolutely clean record
(which a few Jousters might find hard to believe, perhaps), 30 years old,
single - via State Farm.  My insurance actually is cheaper now that I am
in California and single instead of married in Austin, TX.  My car ('82 RX7)
insurance is also full coverage, costing $650/year, same deductable.

|Think I'll go buy a bycicle or something... Can't even buy a cage; I was
|quoted FOUR times the amount I was used to paying, and for less coverage!
|Jyri J. Virkki - Bellcore, Morristown, NJ - jyri@thumper.bellcore.com - DoD#561

  That's because you are in New Jersey.  NJ has the reportedly highest
insurance rates in the nation (and supposedly the most brain-dead insurance
laws)...

Randy Davis				UUCP: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot			      megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013			 	      ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Price Gouging? Really?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:07:43 GMT

In article <71175@apple.Apple.COM>ramarren@Apple.COM (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:

>You're supposed to ride the machines, not slide them along the 
>ground, Cliff.

that would explain the poor throttle response, as well as the heavy steering.

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
| I would get a little stiff/sore somewhere around 6-8 hours, depending on |
| the # of breaks, etc... Ann says she never got sore even on 10 hour long |
|        days.  She did better than I did.       --  Keith Schauer         |
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