HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: Re: FAQ request
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:00:51 GMT

kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio) writes:

>While everyone is deciding whether to put the FAQ out in *roff format,
>can I have a normal ASCII copy of it? 8*)

>Also, does anyone know what/where_I_can_get the neat information like
>how the 3b1 references certain things (like: memory, hard drive,
>terminals, etc....).  I have a friend who is willing to help me with
>porting a different flavor UNIX over (like BSD) but this is the
>information that I was told I needed.  ANYTHING along these lines would
>be greatly appreciated.....

Well, since I am the one that is gonna be taking over the 3b1 faq, I too
would like a very recent copy of the faq.  Also if anybody has any thing
they feel should be added to the faq please send them off to me.

John



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols)
Subject: Re: Hard Drives that fit 7300's
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna VA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:57:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.012858.27594@ncsu.edu> wbm@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (william b morris) writes:
>  I am new to the 7300 and would like to know if anyone can tell me if a
>Miniscribe 3085 HH drive of 71 MB cap will fit into a 7300?

	Yep!  I've used one in a 7300, (it is still serving, along with a
Priam 190 but in an external chassis now.)  It is around 67MB in the 7300,
the same as the max size drive shipped with the 3B1.

	You *will* have to replace the WD1010 chip with a WD2010 to use all
of the cylinders on the drive.  (The WD1010 cuts you off at 1024 cylinders,
and the 3085 goes to 1170 cylinders.)  The WD2010 is no longer made, and
you may have to work at it to find one.  I find them in used hard disk
controllers for XT and AT clone computers (only some of those made by
Western Digital), and they are ususally soldered in place, so you need to be
(or have a fiend who is) competent to unsolder a 40-pin dip without damaging
it. -- At least you don't have to try to save the board that it is in. :-)

	Good Luck
		DoN.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Re: New 3b1'er (FAQ request)
Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 00:32:49 GMT

Gary S. Trujillo (gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us) wrote:
: In <1993Jan8.014847.10019@nwnexus.WA.COM> frank@halcyon.com
: 	(Frank Higgins) writes:

: Here's the article I believe Frank was thinking of (it pays to be a packrat
: sometimes, eh? :-)  
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
That one is either the last or second-to-last time
I remember seeing Helen post in this group.

Now, concerning that long-ago message:

: | In article <Bus5Hz.Kq9@hico2.westmark.com> kak2@hico2.westmark.com writes:
: |
: | >I recall beginning to try to re-create troff source for this list.
: | >Such a beast could be printed out nicely with troff, with change
: | >bars and everything.  We'd make the source available on an archive
: | >machine somewhere, and post just the processed output.
: | >(who wants to read troff source!?)
: | >
: | >I lost what I'd done toward this in the disk crash.
: | >Well, maybe it'd be a waste of time anyway.
: |
: | ACTUALLY, Kris has a good point here.  It would probably not be a bad
: | idea to gather together a lot of the 3b1 folklore in a nifty little
: | formatted Users Guide type of thing.  After all, very little of it is
: | any more likely to become obsolete than the machines already are, right?
: | It'd be very useful for new users, and I don't think I'd mind replacing
: | my 3b1 notebook section of lpr'd news articles and mail messages with
: | such a document, either.
: |
: | Does anyone else think this might be worth the effort?
: | --
: | Helen C. O'Boyle        | Netnews admin, GNU support beastie, C hacker,
: | helen@nomad.urich.edu   | UNIX contractor and hanger-on in Richmond, VA


Well, time to ask that one again.  I still think troff-sourcing
the FAQ is a good idea.  I'd also suggest that we maintain it
in pieces, and RCS the pieces -- or at least track dates and
revision numbers.  Some things find their way into the FAQ and
fall incredibly out of date (osu connection info once did, and
may still be), repair places, hardware upgrades available, etc.

I'd think we maintain the FAQ, assemble the pieces and nroff to post,
and let RCS keep track of the update times of the individual questions
(and last updater).  We probably could reasonable divide the work up
that way, too.

Finally, I'd suggest a new organization for the FAQ, or at least
separating out a new section on available hardware / software upgrades,
a section on project status (what ever happened to Mondo Combo, anyway?)
and one on what patches/fixes should be applied to a "modern" 3b1/unixpc.
(Like the recently posted wmgr, for example).

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose)
Subject: BOF time and date
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:56:27 PST

Does the BOF in San Diego have a time/date/place?  Since I live
here, seems a pity to miss it.  Or has it already happened?

Will
cwr@crash.cts.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dold@unislc.uucp (Clarence Dold)
Subject: Re: Can 3b1 - file system - diskettes be accessed from SVR4
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:03:17 GMT

From article <C16FAB.7E6@news2.cis.umn.edu>, by scott@geom.umn.edu (Scott S. Bertilson):

I did a little testing on a Unisys SVR4 system, with the S/50 (3B1)
installation set.  Using the device /dev/rdsk/f05d8u, I was able to retrieve
cpio archives, but not mount file systems.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re)
Subject: Why am I called LOGIN?
Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA
Organization: MegaByte Digital Communications
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:31:07 GMT

I was hoping I wouldn't have to ask this question, but frustration
is mounting...

I'm running Sys V Ver 3.0 on my PC 7300 (I have no choice) and I've
installed 4 gettys in inittab to provide me with four selectable
login windows.  I'd hate to test the theory, but I've discovered
that I'm without fail LOGIN, not lucio, to logname(1) whichever
window I happen to select (I'm lying of course, I'm almost certain
that there is one window which acknowledges the superiority of lucio
over LOGIN, but the system hasn't yet disclosed the criteria used in
its choice :-). This kind of throws many programs that rely on
logname(1) to establish my identity.  'Sfar as I know, I'm lucio if
I log in on a serial port, so I guess login(1) is broken, probably
in writing /etc/wtmp.

The BIG question: can I fix it without upgrading to 3.51, and if
so, how?

Thanks.
-- 
Lucio de Re (lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA)
The supernatural does not exist, but it gives me the creeps...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: bruce@blilly.uucp (Bruce Lilly)
Subject: Re: Getting xfer stats from HDB
Organization: Bruce Lilly
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 16:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: lilb@sony.compuserve.com (Bruce Lilly)

In article <1993Jan22.025514.2843@toybox.raleigh.nc.us>,
 posted to comp.sys.3b1,
 hruska@toybox.raleigh.nc.us (Bob Hruska) wrote:
>  Is there some sort of accounting that
>HDB does that I can use?

HDB UUCP maintains a file named /usr/spool/uucp/.Admin/xferstats.

Lines look like:

sonyd1!news S (1/23-1:56:58) (C,23359,1) [tty002] <- 1479 / 8.183 secs, 180 bytes/sec
sonyd1!news S (1/23-1:57:02) (C,23359,2) [tty002] <- 137 / 1.866 secs, 73 bytes/sec
sonyd1!news M (1/23-10:47:09) (C,24481,1) [dsi] -> 3601 / 15.233 secs, 236 bytes/sec
sonyd1!news M (1/23-10:47:14) (C,24481,2) [dsi] -> 137 / 0.083 secs, 1650 bytes/sec
sonyd1!Umonymsy M (1/23-10:50:36) (C,24481,3) [dsi] <- 37897 / 195.483 secs, 193 bytes/sec
sonyd1!Umonymsy M (1/23-10:50:43) (C,24481,4) [dsi] <- 145 / 2.466 secs, 58 bytes/sec

Note that the bytes/sec field may be ridiculous for small
transfers. There's no way to get 1650 bytes/sec over a 2400 baud
link.  Generally, ignore lines with times less than about 20
seconds to get a reasonable transfer rate number.

A simple awk script should suffice to summarize xferstats, if
you feel a compelling urge to do anything other than eliminate
the lines with short duration transfers (which can be done using
the one-line command
"awk '$9 >= 20 { print $0 }' /usr/spool/uucp/.Admin/xferstats").

You can find details of the individual fields of the line by
looking at the SVR4 Systems Administrator's Guide, pages 7-67
and 7-68, but ignore field 'k' in that description, as it
doesn't apply to versions of HDB prior to SVR4.

-- 
	Bruce Lilly		...uupsi!monymsys!sonyd1!blilly!bruce
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: WANTED MANY 3B1s, EXPANSION BOXES, VOICE BOARDS
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:03:19 GMT

In conjunction with the new application and business that the man in
Chicago has started that *may* use up all of the warehouse full of 7300s
(mentioned in posting of ad for 7300s just made), he also:

WANTS APPROXIMATELY 50 3B1s

	They must be 67MB HD, 2MB RAM machines as they were configured
	when originally sold. NO beefed up 7300s, or 3B1s modified from
	lesser amounts of ram or hard drive or modified in any other way, 
	will be accepted. An original 2/67 machine with a NEW/replace
	Miniscribe 67MB hard drive is OK.

	NO software or other accessories to "sweeten" the package are
	desired, ONLY the 3B1.

	Offer $350.00 each

WANTS APPROXIMATELY 50 EXPANSION BOXES

	Expansion boxes have been on the net for prices ranging from
	$100 to $600. This offer is:

	Offer $200.00 each

WANTS UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF VOICE POWER BOARDS

	If they are "good condition"

	No offer specified.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

If anyone is looking for the opportunity to clean out his family room and
make the wife happy, send me a message. Like the other paper work, I
organize it and forward it to Chicago.

On days when all of my equipment is breaking, I wish I'd never gotten
involved in this. It's like quick sand, the more I struggle, the deeper I
get. On the other hand, on days when things are working, I'm interested in
seeing what Chicago is up to now :^)

Frank        

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: link vs ln on the 3b1: what gives?
Summary:  bug or feature?:-)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:23:43 GMT

i am running 3.51m as os. i recently tried to do an 'ln' operatiion.

i found mysterious things happening.

the users manual does not contain a page for ln. it does contain a
page for link.

link is not found, ln is.

ln -s does not work.

ln a b just creates two copies of the same file with different names.

is this a bug or a feature?:-)

this is a very unsatisfactory state of affairs. how do we create soft
links on the 3b1? 

can we use the alias feature in ksh, and will it give the same results
as a soft link?
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols)
Subject: Re: VHB updating
Keywords: help, wd2010, VHB
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:50:14 GMT

In article <1jtrapINN3c3@skat.usc.edu> jlowrey@skat.usc.edu (John 'Fritz' Lowrey) writes:
>	Folk,
>	OK, I have a wd2010 enroute to Castle Fritz, and I intend to install 
>it ASAP with my machine.  Much of the reference material available concerning 

	[ ... ]

>	I assume that there is some way of simply using fsdb from a floppy 
>boot to tweak the byte in the VHB that needs tweaking.  It is a byte, I 
>looked at /usr/include/sys/gdisk.h (not gonna fall into THAT trap |-} ).

	I suspect so, but haven't tried it.

>	My question is this, since I am using OS rev 3.51m which can 
>determine the presence of a wd2010 do I need to do anything?  Will the 
>kernel update the VHB along the the superblock upon the next sync?  If I use 

	Unlikely.

>the fast disk driver, does this obviate the need to directly twiddle the 
>VHB?  Am I a babe in the woods without a clue?

	I haven't used the fast driver after a crash when I first attempted
it (under 3.51m).  Usually, the move to the 2010 is undertaken in
combination with a disk upgrade, so a re-format is unavoidable.

>					Enquiring minds want to know,
>					Fritz
>
>PS: What is a "Spurious Interrupt level 2"?  I seem to be getting a set of 
>three at boot time according to unix.log.  This is only on boot, and they 
>always appear in groups of three.  Am I doomed?

	This is why I really bothered following up to your post, since I
wasn't able to contribute much to the preceeding part.

	Well, the 3B1 brings only two of the CPU's interrupts out to the
bus, I think 2 and 4.  Thumb ... Thumb ... Nope!, 1 and 5, so it's not on
the bus.

	O.K.  According to the schematics, that interrupt is or'd between
the hard disk controller, the floppy controller, and the line printer.  Is
it possible that you have a printer connected to the parallel port whith is
reseting while your system is trying to boot?  The term "Spurious Interrupt"
means that it went out and checked all the devices which it knew of as
possible sources for the interrupt, and didn't find anything, and it went
away.  If there is something connected to the line printer port, try
unplugging it and re-booting.  It is usually no problem, because the system
knows how to shrug off those interrupts, but you should attempt to locate
the source.

	Good Luck.
		DoN.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg Hankins)
Subject: Pascal compiler for UNIX-pc
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:02:56 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend who recently bought my UNIX-pc...

He is looking for a pascal compiler for it.  I've checked on the archives,
and no such thing seems to exist.  Does anyone have a pascal compiler
for these boxen?  Does there exists such a thing?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

"Oh, what sad times are there  | Greg Hankins 
 when passing ruffians can say | CoC Computer & Networking Support          
 'Ni!' at will to old ladies." | Georgia Institute of Technology
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: kls@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karl L. Swartz)
Subject: Re: Taylor uucp 1.4 gamma on 3B1 with TCP (long)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:21:13 GMT

In article <1jsgrtINNgeg@gap.caltech.edu> andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe) writes:
>The problem Karl (and at least one other person I recently talked to)
>had with configure, caused by gcc erroneouly returning an exit status
>of 0, is probably the result of using shld ...

Yep, with the fixed shld things work much better.  Thanks, Andy!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jwbirdsa@picarefy.picarefy.com (James W. Birdsall)
Subject: Capacitor for monitor
Organization: Green Tiger Software
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:46:40 GMT

   The monitor on my 3B1 is starting to shrink on the right side. The FAQ
specifies a 4-6uF mylar capacitor rated at 25V or more to fix the problem.
Where do I get such a thing? My usual source for parts doesn't stock mylar
caps at all -- only polyester -- and their largest is 0.47uF. Setting up a
parallel network of ten of those doesn't sound very good.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Z-modem for the 3B1?
Organization: guess
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:04:40 GMT

shouldn't this have been posted to comp.sources.3b1?

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From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:09:14 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

While everyone is deciding whether to put the FAQ out in *roff format,
can I have a normal ASCII copy of it? 8*)

Also, does anyone know what/where_I_can_get the neat information like
how the 3b1 references certain things (like: memory, hard drive,
terminals, etc....).  I have a friend who is willing to help me with
porting a different flavor UNIX over (like BSD) but this is the
information that I was told I needed.  ANYTHING along these lines would
be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks in advance...

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    If RIT even knew I had an opinion, let alone that I was expressing 
     one that they agreed with (or that people thought I was agreeing 
              with), I shudder to think of the consequences.
From: jmartino@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James R Martino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for UNIX-pc
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:46:50 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Summary: Yep
Keywords: pascal compiler


There was such a package - SVS Pascal version 2.0 - for the unixpc.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jtk@s1.gov (Jordin Kare)
Subject: SmartWare II for IBM's forsale
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:41:43 GMT

If any of you 3b1-ers use the Smart integrated software
(WP, spreadsheet, database, comm) and would like the same package
for IBM PC's, I have a distribution set of SmartWare II for the PC from
Informix.  It's about 13 5.25" floppies, with manuals.  I have no idea 
how compatible this is with the 3b1 version, or whether it's upgradeable --
it's about 4 years old.  $75, or make me an offer.

	Jordin Kare	jtk@s1.gov	510-426-0363
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: uuencode/uudecode
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:19:26 GMT


I ftp'd a copy of uuencode/uudecode from Ohio State.  They work fine right
now.  I run into a problem when I try and split up a file to avoid limits
enforced by some mail programs.  What is a good way to split a file into
multiple files so I can send them through mail?  The individual files
were 1 byte longer each when I stripped off the header, and then I combined
them into one file again and it was 2 bytes longer (I know this is probably
obvious to some of you).  When I uudecoded it, I got a file that is
42 bytes larger than the original, but when I untar it, many of the files are
missing.  Can any of you help me with this?  I haven't had much experience
with uuencode/uudecode and these commands are not listed in any of the
unix manuals that I have.  Any help would be wonderful!!


                                                  Chris

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From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for UNIX-pc
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:48:37 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 16623@cc.gatech.edu, gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg Hankins writes:

> He is looking for a pascal compiler for it.  I've checked on the archives,
> and no such thing seems to exist.  Does anyone have a pascal compiler
> for these boxen?  Does there exists such a thing?

There are two PD PASCAL to C translators that work with the 3b1.
Look for ptoc or p2c in your local archive site.  I cannot tell you which is
better, so you may want to look at them both.

Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: ABC Drives. Anyone dealt with them?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:59:36 GMT

Has anyone done business with "ABC Drives", Phone: 818-885-7157 ???

No address in ad. Very reluctant to give address. Wants to do business with
my credit card or by COD. Anyone can give me any information, will be put
on my "good guy" list :^)

Frank        

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: krf1061@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.R. Flanagan)
Subject: Second hand sightings...
Keywords: 3b1's keep going and going.
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:01:05 GMT

	I thought this one was cute last night, One of my roomates freinds came
 up to visit from oswego college last night, glanced over at the 3b1 hogging the
 desk, and recognized it. In the recent past she had used one working for the US
 forestry service. Chit comes to chat, the office she was working in had a few 
 of then around and still in use. Might not be the mexican IRS, but still worth
 relating. I didn't stick around for much 3b1 talk though, I was trying to
 figure out which lounge would be more comfortable last night...but thats
 another news group.
			-Kevin
			krf1061@ritvax.isc.rit.edua

Silly hacker, DOS is for kids...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1