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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:32:58 GMT

rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey) writes:

>Nov 23	Athletes-in-Action
>Nov 28	Newcastle Falcons (Aus.)

>Dec 01	Univ. of the Pacific
>Dec 03	@ Oklahoma
>Dec 05	Seattle Pacific
>Dec 12	@ SW Missouri State
>Dec 19	@ North Carolina State
>Dec 22	@ James Madison
>Dec 28	Ohio State
>Dec 29	BYU or Oregon

Must be BYU.  If it's an Oregon holiday tourney (and it looks like it),
then they'll just switch opponents for the second game rather than have a
mini-tourney.  No way will the Beavs and Ducks play three times.
>Jan 02	UC San Diego

> I don't think that anyone will be able to accuse OSU of having an easy
> non-conference schedule.......

Why not?  The only really good team on the list is Ohio State.  There
are also some name schools that aren't that good these days.  It's no
Georgetown, but it's not a schedule to crow about either.  More below.

>Probable Starters:

> G Brent Barry  6'5"-170  Soph
> G Charles McKinney 6'2"-192 Sen
> F Kareem Anderson 6'4"-205 Soph
> F Chad Scott 6'7"-210 Sen
> C Scott Haskin 6'11" Sen

If OSU had a coach with a brain, they could go far.  Haskin is my pick
for all-PAC-10 at Center.  Kareem Anderson has had fits of brilliance.
And Barry can fill it up, even though he looks like a total goofball.
The rest of the team is plenty good.  Look for 'em in the NCAAs, possibly
going to the round of 16 or so.
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From: cs_ind23@Oswego.EDU (James LaPlaine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Syracuse Probation
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: cs_ind23@oswego.Oswego.EDU (James LaPlaine)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <69592@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.152839.703@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Grady W Chism) writes:
>>I just heard a blip on the radio that Syracuse was going to be put on probation
>>for two years.  Anybody know the reasons? Bad coaching?
>
>Couldn't be for bad coaching.  If Syracuse were to be put on probation for
>bad coaching, they'd have received 5 years.
>

It's some small infraction like buying the players dinner or something like
that. A local car dealer gave cars to some players also, It's only the big
schools that ever get hit with probation anyway. 
 The NCAA makes tons of money from it, so why don't they just let it go?
                                -Jamie
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From: tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:36:50 GMT

	You have got to incude Carver-Hawkeye Arena in the top ten for
weenie areana's.  The student section is in a really bad place 
(much like studnets seats at Kinnick) The school just 
puts the students in the least popular area, and saves the really
good seats for alums and the ones who paid for Carver-Hawkeye.
The place is really lame to watch a basketball game in!!

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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:02:44 GMT


In <1992Sep29.171518.17739@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com
(Mike Von Foerster) writes:

>In article <5627@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>|> 
>|> For what it's worth, Sport just put out its Sweet Sixteen for next year.
>|> Here are the teams, and a summary of their reasons (or what passed
>|> for them). 
>|>
>|> 1. Kansas-- With three returning starters, plus Darrin Hancock, plus Roy
>|>    Williams, they should be #1 from start to finish.

>How you can lose your best player - Alonzo Jamison and come back the #1 team
>in the country is a gutsy call. There are several teams that lose no starters


Jamison was a good college player, no question about it.  He could
handle the ball, pass, and defend as well as anyone on the team.  But
even though he had skills, he was often a liability on offense because
he tended to overpass and he could not shoot a jump shot to save his
life.  Defenses just dropped off of him and dared him to shoot, which
he could not do.  He had a great run in the 1991 NCAA tournament, but
his senior season was a bit of a disappointment, marked by the kind of
inconsistent play you cannot have out of your seniors.  I would say
that Rex Walters (or perhaps Adonis Jordan) was the best player for KU
last year.

KU's only loss of consequence was Jamison, and he will be replaced by
Darrin Hancock.  Hancock can't shoot the ball very well and at this
stage is probably a defensive liability, but I am betting that his
athleticism, rebounding, and passing ability will more than offset the
loss of Jamison.  And don't forget that KU also adds Calvin Rayford
and Sean Pearson to their roster.

When KU lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament last season it
was a big upset, but when they lose in the second round this year it
will be a *monumental* upset.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hendrick (was Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen)
Keywords: no "s"
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:06:17 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.163005.25486@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>A couple of preliminaries:
>
>1) that's Brian Henrick  (no "s")

The oldest trick in the book Ken. Correct somebody else and no matter
how good your intentions you'll make a mistake too.

I'm sure Ken knows its Hendrick.

Now to show my ignorance, what injury did Brian have? i don't recallit,
since Kidd announced he was going to Cal, I've basically had him and
the sophomores on my mind.




Russ Smith
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From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: looking for basketball tix to ND home games
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:08:38 GMT
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Looking for ND tickets to _any_ weekend home game in December or January.
Two to four.

					-Mike Traynor


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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:21:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct5.193731.18700@ncar.ucar.edu>, grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> >> >What group etiquette??????? Did I miss something???
> >> Yes you did.  You need to take your finger off the question mark
> >> key after it types it once.
> > Huh????????????? I don't get it!!!!!!!!! What exactly do you mean????????
> What is really meant: "Hey, you had a golden chance to pull your head
> out of your ass and refrain from telling all about your view of the
> world from your belly button, but you blew it."
> But I suppose Tucson might be best viewed from one's belly button.

Huh??!!?? I still don't get it!!! What the hell is going on here???? What
does a belly button have to do with fingered question
mark keys????????



			gln
From: denelsbe@washington.cs.unc.edu (Kevbo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Dickie V's guide (was: Street and Smith Issue)
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:18:13 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <70054@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
)In case anyone is interested and doesn't already know, I've just
)discovered that the Street and Smith College/Prep Basketball Issue
)is supposed to come out on October 20.

S & S is usually a pretty good guide.  But Dick Vitale's guide is (IMO) the
best.  Anyone know the street date for Dickie V's guide?  Anyone seen a
copy yet?

Anxiously,
Kev @ UNC

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Recruiting Junkies Anonymous (was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:24:34 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Bob Clock Clue Cluff Clow writes:
>
>  This brings up a new idea: a twelve step program to help recruiting junkies
>help themselves.  

1) We came to realize that we were seriously ill loonies who had forgotten
that all collegiate games are played by thick boned endomorphs with short
attention spans.

2) We discovered that purveyors of recruiting news were men who had skipped
Thanksgiving dinner with the family to talk to the 2nd best friend of the
cousins of ball players young enough to have still wet themselves in school.

3) We learned that people who call in to talk radio  shows about recruiting
had often sold their lithium to cocker spaniels.

4) We admitted to ourselves that the college choice of the 19th best swing
man in Wyoming did not impress the girls in our lives.

5) We came to realize that listening to the recitatives of 17 year olds
announcing their college choices had lowered our IQs to the level of
mildew.

6) We admitted to ourselves that at one time we didn't care who played
for good old Enormous U. and that looking forward to filling up Mr
Standard with the contents of our beer distended stomachs after the games 
was more fun than knowing anyway.

7) We discovered to our chagrin that the thick boned endomorphs whose
identities we had followed since grade school had outflanked us and
had gone on to have fulfilling, non-sports related lives, the ones
not doing 3-7 for aggravated assault, that is.

12) We came to believe that if only we turned our attention to other
things than recruiting that, for example, our ability to remember
the numbers between 7 and 12 would return.

---
anyone who wants to have a whack at the missing steps can go right ahead.

-- 
Coach Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Season: 0-5 Life: 0-7
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soccer cleats. -- old Native American Soccer League saying.
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:02:41 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <BvIt8s.AMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be) writes:

>If Grant Hill can develop his shooting from 3-range, then they'll have more
>depth in that capacity then they thought.  

He is.  They will.  Grant will get the green light this year.

>Collins is quite a bomber himself. (I'd quote his numbers, but I can't get my
>HyperCard statistics stack up with the term program on.)

Didn't Chris shoot better from three-point range than two-point range? That's
quite a stat.

>Since I've been hearing the dirt on Duke's plans for Collins since the
>beginning (back while he was still being recruited) it surprises me to hear
>anything about him playing off-guard.  I've been told he's supposed to back
>up Hurley this year in order to take over the spot next year.  I haven't
>heard differently from anyone else back home, including Chris.  He's been a
>point guard since freshman year in high school, and I really doubt he'll change.

If that's true, then why did Duke get Jeff Capel, and pursue Randy Livingston
so hard? I hope that Collins does work out, and that K takes some of the 
wildness out of him, as Chuck mentioned.  Tommy Amaker could really teach him
a thing or two on the virtues of unselfishness.
  I've read that Collins is the proverbial clutch shooter, and that he loved 
to take game-winning shots.  He just needs to realize that he won't be called
upon to do this at Duke.  At least, not yet.  I just don't think that K will
ceremoniously hand him the ball at the start of next year's practice, like
he did with Hurley.  It's going to be a very different Duke team after this
year. 
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Kentucky?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:17 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jeffrey N. Burch writes:
>
>Somewhere between 9th and 12th seems like a believable spot for the Wildcats
>to start off.  But if Pitino can consolidate this team the way he did with
>his last one, they could end up in the top 5 or 6 by NCAA time.
>
Just to let everyone know that not all UK fans have a limitless
supply of ether to stoke their optimism:

UK graduated 4 of its top 6 players.
Two of the guards upon whom UK must rely are returning from knee surgery,
including one from ACL surgery.
One of the top contenders for the center position hasn't played organized
ball in almost 2 years.
As talented as Jamal Mashburn is, he still doesn't jump very high.

Top 10? No. Top 50? With work.


-- 
Coach Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Season: 1-5 Lifetime: 1-7
Ask me about my 1 game win streak!
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Dickie V's guide (was: Street and Smith Issue)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:30:44 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

>At the risk of rehashing an old thread, I really dislike Dick Vitale's
>commentary.

>I'm afraid to buy his guide, for fear that all his analysis will be 
>presented in capital letters, with question marks and exclamation
>marks liberally distributed throughout...rather like the way he talks.

	Actually, Vitale's guide is only part written by him.  The
	majority of it is written by professional writers around the
	country.  It has, perhaps, the best indepth analysis of college
	and pro basketball of any guid -- including Street & Smiths.
	It's well worth your $3.95.

	Jazzy J
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Hendrick (was Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen) 
Keywords: no "s" 
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:30:05 GMT

In article <15330001@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> cday@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Day) writes:
>
>
>My 2 cents worth about the Bears this year:
>
>Sure, Kidd, Murray, Grigsby, et al;
>
>The real question is how Hendricks returns from his injury.
>
>...anyone know how he's doing?
>

A couple of preliminaries:

1) that's Brian Henrick  (no "s")

2) I thought O'Bannon Du Jour was pretty funny, but I don't know
anyone who has a line on Cal practices, so I won't be able to
update his hourly progress. 


The official word is he's back at full strength, he's been shooting for
months and playing informally over the summer. I take that to mean
that he will play and start. How good will he be? We'll see ...

Ken B.
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hendrick (was Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen)
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <56381@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Now to show my ignorance, what injury did Brian have? i don't recallit,
>since Kidd announced he was going to Cal, I've basically had him and
>the sophomores on my mind.

According to BBall Digest, it was a dislocated kneecap.  
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:40 MST  

In article <BvBpnC.EB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bob Baker) writes...
{Brian E. Saunders writes, in reference to the toughest places to play:
{ 
{>>Allen FieldHouse, Lawrence Kansas  #1
{>>The little shack Duke plays in #2
{>>The kid from Halsted Kansas Arena (Rupp for the uninformed) Arena #3
{>>The Orange Peel dome (just the mass of fans here) #4
{>>Bobby K's place in Indiana #5

{>IMO, Mackey Arena is the toughest place to play in the Big 10, and probably
{>should be in a list of of the top #5 toughest places in the country.  Lots
{>of upsets tend to happen there (unfortunately, sometimes they happen to
{>Purdue, too).  The Breslin Center (MSU) is probably the 2nd toughest place
{>in the Big 10, followed closely by St. John's (TOSU) and Carver-Hawkeye.
{ 
{Nope.  Can't agree with you less.  Minnesota's barn seems much tougher
{than Mackey.  While there are always a bunch of upsets at Purdue (and
{fewer in Gopher land),
{ 
{Luv ya,
{bob       

A couple of notorious arenas have been left out:
	Rynold's Coluseium - NC State  (Crappy seats for most of the students
					but a select few are within an arms
					reach of the floor from the sides)
	The PIT - New Mexico		(Simply HELL for the opposition)

-Eric
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu
From: rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:18:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>
>> G Brent Barry  6'5"-170  Soph
>> G Charles McKinney 6'2"-192 Sen
>> F Kareem Anderson 6'4"-205 Soph
>> F Chad Scott 6'7"-210 Sen
>> C Scott Haskin 6'11" Sen
>>
>>Bench:
>> F Mustafa Hoff 6'7"-210  Jun.

>If Hoff is as good as his rep coming out of West Valley JC, he might start
>right away ahead of Barry, with Anderson moving to guard. Hoff had a real
>impressive year for West Valley last year.

 There was some talk of Hoff chosing OSU over Georgetown, Cinncinati and
 UNLV because OSU said they would allow him to redshirt if he felt he needed
 a year to take to Pac-10 ball. I've heard a lot of talk saying he should make
 immediate impact. After all, he was the N. Calif. POTY last year and had
 good stats(20 ppg, 9 rpg).

>I thought Scott had finally been cleared to play, I guess not?

 Sigh. Last December Scott flunked out of school, and then he went to work
 on his academics........just about the time he had that straightened out, 
 he was arrested for robbing a pizza dilevery boy at gunpoint. Talk says it
 was a prank (some prank!), and that he will get off, at least lightly. The
 court date is in October though.

>They look to be much improved.

 With experience at every position, they should at least be in the upper
 echelons of the Pac-10 and have definite post season aspirations. 

> Russ Smith

> WARNING: POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE JOKE FOLLOWS.
 
 I liked it :-)


 

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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be)
Subject: Re: Info on Thomas Hamilton (7-3 Forward)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:44:18 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be) writes:

[Stuff about Thomas Hamilton]

>[stuff about CPL's new rules]

>>(And for those who don't know, transferring to a private school won't do any
>>good, either.  IHSA rules demand a period of ineligibility of one year for
>>doing that after the 10th day of the semester.)

>>Anyone have any ideas how these guys can play and still get recruited into
>>college if their schools teams should go defunct?

>	I really think that the IHSA will allow the players from those
>	schools in danger of losing their programs to transfer to a private
>	school, and continue playing basketball.  It's not those players'
>	faults that they have to transfer to play basketball.  There's a
>	lot of talent in the Public League, and the IHSA would be fools to
>	let all that go to waste...

I wish that were true, but there was a quote this week in the Trib (I'll
have to run over to Undergrad to check the date) from Dave Fry, the director
of the IHSA saying that there would be no special treatment for Chicago
athletes.  Now, Fry and the IHSA allowed an over-age track athlete
to compete in his 5th year after "extenuating circumstances" botched up what
should have been his sophomore year (after he transferred to Loyola Academy)
forced him to spend an extra year in school (though that sophomore year was
without sports, keeping him under the 8-semester limit mandated under IHSA
rules).  With that considered, there is precedent for Fry to make exception
for Chicago athletes.  Indeed, he _should_ make exception for them.

The only question that remains is, is it right to upset the private school's
teams by doing this?  There are certainly many average-to-good players there
that would be hurt by such a move, as they'd have to go in order to make room
for the Thomas Hamiltons and Kiwane Garrises who would transfer in...

Things to ponder...
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