HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdewan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rajiv Dewan)
Subject: Did you get pc board for R1? (Aug 92 QST)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:38:24 GMT



A couple of months ago I sent in a request along with a check for
a PC board for the R1 receiver featured in the Aug 1992 QST.  I
have not heard from the company or received the board yet.  

I would like to hear from you if you tried to get the same board
and have or have not received it yet.

Rajiv
aa9ch
r-dewan@nwu.edu
From: jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mac ham software
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:59:35 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio, USA


   In article <5OCT199220114845@rosie.uh.edu>
   st1pb@rosie.uh.edu (Burris, Dean E.) writes:

   Can someone please post a list of ftp sites that have a few of the 
   mac ham radio programs.  Thanks in advance.

I was recently on ucsd.edu which appears to have lots of stuff,
but I had difficulty understanding its organization.  ftp.cs.buffalo.edu
appears to be more informational.  Other generally good Mac sites
with bits of ham stuff are ftp.apple.com and mac.archive.umich.edu.

Hope that helps!

Jon, N8PAP
jon@cas.org
From: lewis@b56vxg.kodak.com (Ken Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Reciprocal licenses for France and the UK
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: lewis@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have just got approval for a business trip overseas within 2 weeks.  I know
there is paperwork involved, but with 14 days and counting is it worth it?  Can
you walk in and apply for reciprocal licenses? And if I can do that , where do
you go? the post office ?   I just want to bring along the HT and give the 
local repeaters a try... Email replies please...

thanks and 73,
Ken Lewis
===============================================================================
Eastman Kodak Company, RDCS 		 RF:            N2LCI
1669 Lake Avenue                         Internet:      lewis@kodak.com
Rochester NY 14652-3302			 AT&T:          (716)-722-3438
===============================================================================
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re: The Truth about UHF Connectors (please repost!)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:54:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) writes:

I wrote:

>>	      --------- Type N ----------      ---------- UHF ------------
>>FREQ (MHz)    TOTAL LOSS    PER CONNECTOR      TOTAL LOSS    PER CONNECTOR
...
>>450           0             0                  .18           .09
...

>This is all probably fine for amateur applications (all we care about
>really), but at higher commercial power levels, might not a 1 dB power
>drop across a connector represent a safety or reliability hazard?

.1 dB is about a 2.3% power loss.  Since most of this power is reflected,
not absorbed, the power dissipation in the connector is much less.

At amateur power levels (<1500W), .1 dB is about 35 watts.  I don't
know how much of this is absorbed and how much reflected, but you
could get a pretty good idea simply by feeling the connector:
if it gets hot, then you have a problem.

It's probably a good idea to go to N connectors if you want to run the
legal limit on the 450 MHz band.

AL N1AL
From: flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TS-520 Price?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:55:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Phoenix, AZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-a.west.sun.com

In article <29SEP199209474930@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> edjcb@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Brown) writes:
>I'm trying to set a price for a TS-520 in good condition, with
>manuals, cw filter, etc.  If you've bought or sold one recently,
>what did it go for? Thanks...
>
>Jeff Brown WB2RUZ
>edjcb@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov


Standard price:  $350.00


-fred

-- 
| Fred Lloyd  AA7BQ,  Systems Engineer          Fred.Lloyd@west.sun.com |
| Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation                   ...sun!flloyd |
| Phoenix, AZ    (If it's a fact, I believe it!)         (602) 275-4242 |
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Continuously Loaded Dipole Construction
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Yes, your continuously loaded dipole with transmatch will *work* in the
sense that you will probably be able to find a way to get some power
into the antenna.  However, the bandwidth will be very narrow on 80m and
I suspect that you are going to make TVI/RFI enemies with every neighbor
you have.  Good luck and let us know through future postings how it works.
73, Tom WB4IUX



--
From: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Safety of auto battery for power?
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:42:53 GMT
Reply-To: kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kenneth Stuart)
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

With a low charging current, the gas given off by a lead-acid battery
is fairly minimal.  The danger (since the gas IS hydrogen) occurs when
the gas is contained, for instance if the battery is kept in a closed
and unventilated battery box (commercial battery boxes, such as used
on boats, do provide ventilation).  However, this concentration of
hydrogen does occur naturally inside of the battery's own case.
Therefore, the potential danger is usually ignition of the hydrogen
inside the battery which could rupture the case and spray sulfuric
acid on anyone nearby.

Therefore, the NO SMOKING, NO OPEN FLAMES advice already given in these
posts is well given, but really only applies to the possibility of
explosion of the battery itself, since any hydrogen leaving the battery
rises into the air immediately and is very quickly dissipated.

As to real experiences, I have had full-time operating storage batteries
in the house for at least 40 years.  Never had a problem of any kind.


Ken Stuart, W3VVN
ARRL TA on batteries/power supplies.

kstuart@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Connector names
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:03:06 GMT
Organization: CrossRoads in Elizabeth, PA

jbs@rti.rti.org writes:

> In article <1992Sep25.181203.5041@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> koning@koning.enet.dec.c
> >
> >a bayonet connector (TNC, N, BNC, C, SMA, you name it)
> 
> Well, I can't name it - does anyone know what all these connector names
> stand for? Or do they stand for anything? I know what most of them look
> like, but why, for instance, is a BNC called a BNC?

Well, the "N" connector is the initial of the last name of its 
developer, Paul Neill.  He worked with Carl Concelman to create the 
Bayonet Neill-Concelman ("BNC") connector.  The threaded version of this 
connector is called a "TNC", for Threaded Neill-Concelman.

As for SMA, best guess is that it's Sub-Miniature type A comnector; which 
fits in well with SMB and SMC connectors.
From: flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Unwanted New Callsigns
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:24:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Phoenix, AZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-a.west.sun.com


The following observation comes from a regular listener of the 
southern California "war zone" (7240-7260 KHz) on the 40 meter band.

On any given day one may witness any number number of rude, obnoxious
and/or illegal transmissions on this portion of the 40M band.  The guys
which hang out there seem to do nothing but argue and throw insults
back and forth at each other all day long.  There is a tremendous
amount of bickering and the air even turns vengeful from time to time.

From time to time, someone will dream up a new dirty trick to play
on the others.  For example, some hams have been recorded on tape, the
tapes altered and then replayed back on the air...  There have been
dozens of other dirty tricks played over the years but the one which
seems to really take the cake is this latest one:

Let's say that some guy, Joe Ham, W6xx, who's been around for years and
years ticks a bunch of guys off.  Some day, weeks in the future, Joe gets
a letter from the FCC.  Guess, what Joe?  Your new call sign is KC7xxx!!!!

Yes, it seems that the tricksters filled out a 610 form in Joe's name,
explained that no copy of the license was available, and sent it in with
with the "New Callsign" box check YES.....

Well, that's the end of the story.  I only heard it this weekend and
had to tell it here first......


-fred,  still AA7BQ....

-- 
| Fred Lloyd  AA7BQ,  Systems Engineer          Fred.Lloyd@west.sun.com |
| Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation                   ...sun!flloyd |
| Phoenix, AZ    (If it's a fact, I believe it!)         (602) 275-4242 |
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman)
Subject: Radio Shack $100 scanner - worth it?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:47:44 GMT

Radio Shack has recently dropped one of their hand-held VHF/UHF
scanners from 140 to 100 bucks.  Personally, I don't like to buy much
from Radio Shack, unless I can't get it elsewhere easily, because
their quality can run a bit low and their prices high (IMHO).  In this
case, I don't know much about the competition or scanners in general.

What do you folks think?  Is it a good scanner?  Does it cover the
full range of interesting frequencies, or do they quietly skip over
frequency ranges that, for example, their cordless telephones might
use?  Does it cover the most common Ham frequencies?  Should I avoid
RS at all costs?

Am I sending this to the correct group?

	--Charlie Hileman			ARPA:  chaz@vicorp.com
	  V. I. Corporation			UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!chaz
	  Northampton, Massachusetts
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two word lists needed.
Date: 26 Sep 92 09:14:45 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300


        Sorry...."U" under ICAO should be Uniform....Sorry...I'm in a B-i-g
Hurry...;-)  PLEASE No Flames/Information from this....I caught myself,
Ok??? (hi-hi)
        T. Keller

        73!!!
----
Internet:  phantom@pro-haven.cts.com      Tiffany Bloxom
UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info on 2m glass/disguise antenna wanted
Date: 28 Sep 1992 19:29:21 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: usa,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1992Sep28.074208.3768@arizona.edu> petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu writes:
>Anyway, the question remains... how can I mount some useful antennas?
>At bare minimum, i'd like to run 2m on a regular basis, an on-glass 
>antenna is one route (low to no gain), also antenna specialists used to
>make a disguise antenna (am/fm/2m) but that has been discontinued.

Just for your info, I have an Antenna Specialists 1/4 wave glass mount for
about a year and I am VERY pleased with it...
From: trey@ut-emx.uucp (Trey Garlough)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CBS violation of ECPA
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:14:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep27.112731.28762@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.210743.6567@pacifier.rain.com> mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman) writes:
>The FCC has tried to dance around this issue because they know it
>is bad law. The US Attorny's offices have also tried to avoid 
>prosecutions under the ECPA because they also recognize it as bad
>law that would likely fail a Supreme Court challenge. Now individuals
>with scanners don't have the resources to push such a case, 

Not to mention that this type of law is bad for people rights in general
because it takes a whole category of people (in this case scanner owners) and 
makes them criminals (posession of equipment capable of snooping cellular phone
traffic) and subject to the vagueries of selective law enforcement.  (I know,
I know, move this discussion to alt.flaming-liberals or something.)

--Trey, WN4KKN/6
  trey@tgv.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jhays@boi.hp.com (John D. Hays)
Subject: Re: Callsign situation... (more on)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:46:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division

Last time I checked, the callsign is based on the "mailing address"

KD7UW
-- 
John D. Hays [KD7UW]           |Email: [UUCP]          ...!hplabs!hpdmd48!jhays
Firmware Engineer              |       [INTERNET]              jhays@boi.hp.com
Boise Printer Division         |       [GEnie]                             HAYS
Boise, Idaho                   |       [Compu$erve]                   72725,424
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: Re: The Truth about UHF Connectors (please repost!)
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:43:11 GMT


In article <14570501@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes:
|>In rec.radio.amateur.misc, rkarlqu@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Rick Karlquist) writes:
|>
|>>The main reasons I use N connectors instead of UHF are that
|>>the N type is water proof (unlike the UHF) ...
|>
|>Are type N's really water-PROOF?  I have seen water-damaged coax
|>with N connectors.  Perhaps the gasket was not properly seated due
|>to incorrect installation.  Maybe we should say that N connectors
|>are water-RESISTANT.
|>
|>AL N1AL

Waterproof, no.  (To me, "waterproof" means you can take it scuba-diving
without problem.)  I believe Amphenol calls them "weatherproof" which
seems to mean they can be left out in rain/fog/snow without further protection.

Yes, that assumes proper installation.  It also assumes using the proper
variant; not all variants are rated "weatherproof".

Incidentally, (most) BNC connectors are also rated "weatherproof".  Not
surprising if you look at them carefully; you'll see a rubber gasket around
the coax, and another rubber gasket inside the outer shell where it will
seal against the top rim of the jack.

	paul, ni1d
From: William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Connector names
Date: 29 Sep 1992 11:46:12 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Peter Bennett VE7CEI writes:
  > RCA: Real Crummy Attatchment

or Rotten Crummy Apparatus...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Subject: Re: Major reorganization of rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: Pacifier BBS
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:34:41 GMT


Hello.

Thank you for the concise summary of the history of "rec.radio.amateur.misc".
I was a kibutzer for the last newsgroup reogranization; IMHO not much has changed
which would merit a further reorganization.

However, how does this hierarchical structure of the ham radio interest
newsgroups square with the notice I just received of the creation of a new
newsgroup "rec.ham.radio.swap" or some such?  If this a dumb question, sorry.
I just gained access to Usenet after a long absence.

Thanks.

-- 
Mike Freeman <K7UIJ>    |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.rain.com
301 N.E. 107th Street   |       GEnie: M.FREEMAN11
Vancouver, WA 98685 USA |       FidoNet: Mike Freeman at 1.105/126
Telephone (206)574-8221 |       Loose bits sink chips!
From: DERRY@ROSEVC.Rose-Hulman.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Finding ITU zone numbers
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:30:18 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

A question about ITU zone numbers.

My friend Roy, WA9WKK, lives in West Union, IL.

He wants to know what his ITU zone number is.

Two questions:

1.  What is it?
2.  How do you find your ITU zone number?


--- tnx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN  (es Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: <tonyp@cnvxla.COM> (good, Conan - good!)
Subject: Re: UHF connectors cause cancer in lab rats.
Reply-To: tonyp@convex.COM 
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:54:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

You guys wouldn't have all these dang connector problems if you 
took the hobby seriously!

*Real* hams are running ARC-5 twins. The feedline is SOLDERED to the
receiver and transmitter antenna posts (of course real hams have a
separate antenna for receiving and a separate one for transmitting).

This shows COMMITTMENT! None of this swap-the-rig-every-twenty-years
stuff for us!

- T.O.M. *



*I hope you'll excuse me, Hiram!   :-)


--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
WA2EAA NNNN ZCZC  |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antenna "switchboard" - HELP wanted !!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:03:58 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: andyw@aspen32


In article <2sT1RB2w164w@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org>, stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB) writes:
> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> 
> > technique. Connector alignment is an important part of the mating process.
> 
> No truer words ever spoken!!!!!!     :-)  ;-)  |-)
> 
> Steve KA0VYB

Fnnarr, fnnarr. Thank you Finbar.

-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
From: tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operating Procedures
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:32:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Sep28.163236.15349
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I'm trying to find a diplomatic way of stating this, so I don't
start a flame fest...

To the folks that are teaching the ham radio courses;

ARE OPERATING PROCEDURES BEING TAUGHT NOW-ADAYS?

When I took the novice course in high school the instructor
also covered "how to blend in". He didn't want any of his
novices to sound like amateurs [pun intended]. 

Besides learning the code and theory he would have us do
simulated QSOs and sometimes would fire up the HS station 
and have us observe real ones. He'd point out all the finer
things and explain them.

By the time we got our tickets we could fit in and even the
crotchity old geezers would work us - and when they found out
we were just licensed they'd be quite impressed!
 
  (QST ran an article recently of a newly licensed ham getting a
  2 meter rig and going on a repeater without the proper procedure.
  The results were what'd you've come to expect from the repeat
  gestapo). The poor guy was quite upset over it. Whose fault
  was it - the "new guy" or the guy who supposedly instructed him?

Some of the quirks I've run into this weekend (all over - including
the amateur extra portion) were:

  o 3 MINUTES of CQ followed by a callsign and a  "KN".
  o Feller asked me a question, and just sat back (I guess) - no "BK".
  o I answered a CQ. The feller spent the next 10 minutes telling me
    that he couldn't copy me.
  o Feller using a rock-based receiver - didn't tune 1KHZ off his
    centre frequency (responding station had to QSY to get his attention).
  o Everyone just plops down on a frequency and calls CQ - without
    so much as a QRL?.

Unlike every other aspect of life, we are in control of what goes on
on the amateur bands. We dictate how we want it to be - the look and
feel. 

If we run it indifferently we will lose what has taken years to build.

If we're not careful Amateur Radio licenses will become more and more
like driver's licenses. There will be the same kind of chaos and sloppy
operating procedures as there are on the roads now.

73,
tonyp

--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
WA2EAA NNNN ZCZC  |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:09:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Original License or is Copy OK ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, davidc@hplsla.hp.com (David Cook) writes:

>OK! The license finally arrived. What is normal practice amoung amateur radio
>operators? Should I put the original in the safety deposit box and use
>photocopies or do I need the original in my wallet and on my station wall?

A photocopy is legal for mobile/portable operation.  The only time you need
the original is when you upgrade.  Since photocopies are so cheap and easy,
I recommend you keep the original at home and carry a photocopy.  After all,
that original has to last for 10 years.

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap,dc.ham-radio
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: computer systems for sale
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:19:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Distribution: usa


for sale:

computer systems:

1)  atari 800XL						$ 250.00
		1050 diskdrive
		1030 modem
		tons of software
		tons of documentation
	atari 2600 game
		all the cartridges

2)  commodore 128/64					$200.00
		1571 diskdrive
		tons of software
		tons of documentation

3)  H.P. 150 touchscreen				$250.00
		built in terminal
		640K ram (expandable to 1Meg)
		2 - 3.5" floppy drives
		P.A.M. operating system
		ms dos 2.1 for H.P. touchscreens
		applications and software

4)  2 each  digital  pdp 11/34 computers	$500.00 for 1
						 700.00 for both.
	(if you buy both for $1,200.00, all of the perriferals are included,
	 including disks, tapes, terminals, printers, diskdrives, boards,
	 cables, powersupplies and racks)  *

5)  1 each  digital pdp 11/23 computer	$700.00
		(with 2 harddrives, in 1/2 size rack - plug and load)
		(for  $500.00, all perriferals will be included as outlined
		 above) *

6)  6 harddrives,   (could be used with either of the pdp configurations)
		    (including 2 - c3d 660Meg removable media harddrives)
    4 + tapedrives
    tons of disks
    tons of tapes
    tons of documentation
    tons of extra boards
    decwriter III
    decprinter II
    terminals (various states)
    modems (at least three)
    extra boards
    other equipment....
    all cables available

	(i will break up some stuff, but not the atari, commodore or pdp 11/23
	 systems.  i will add to them in any configuration that is reasonable)

	i *MUST* get this stuff *OUT* of my garage, *immediately*!
	i am amenable to trades, but have very specific needs.  all items
	can be shipped except the large systems.  shipping in NOT included
	in the price, and (due to the fact that i have been burned twice, now)
	payment is certified before delivery.  delivery is the responsibility of
	the purchaser.

	if you are interested, you may contact me at the addressses in my sig.
	please designate the subject as 're.: computers for sale', otherwise i
	may not get bact to you as quickly.  all items will go on a 1st come,
	1st served basis, and purchasers of complete systems will be considered
	over partial pieces.

	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-

        "presidential elections are planned distractions to divert
	 attention from the actions behind the scenes...."
                                                   greetings from timbuck three!

From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:26:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Radio Wave Polarization
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA