From: radenski@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: RepliesREAD/NEW/FOLLOWUPex
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:40:27 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Minnesota State University System



In article <23NOV199210415789@jane.uh.edu>, chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanislav S.) writes:
> In article <98637@netnews.upenn.edu>, givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace 
> Maverick) writes...
> 
>         [his stuff deleted -- see # 1715 s.c.bg -- since you all know by now 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\
	We ALL know by now? Very kind of yours to let me know
	what I have to know... Known pattern... Easy to follow... 

>          that is is simply a continuation of his arrogant call to, in effect, 
>          ban Bulgarian from the net]

	There was no ban, and there could not be a ban. It is a free network, 
	and everybody can post everything. If you wish, take a s..t of yours,
	and post it wrapped or unrapped, depending on your personal taste.
	

> 
> There are two possible anwers to this, depending on this person's identity:
> 
> 1.  Dear Mr. George Ace Maverick,
> 
>     It is very important for bulgarians everywhere on the net to be able to
>     communicate with each other.  While the majority of us _are_ fluent in 
>     English, there are those who do not speak it sufficiently well, or at all.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      There all seem to be outside Bulgaria, because we do not see postings
	in Bulgarian from Bulgaria.
	
>     However, their contributions to the n.g. are very valuable.  There are 

      A very valuable contribution appears in section 2 of your own posting.
	See below.	

>     many ways to encode cyrillic-to-latin to get the message through -- unfor-
>     tunately this n.g. has not agreed on a standard yet (and probably doesn't
>     really need one due to the informal nature of the postings).
> 
>     BTW, while s.c.b. was having this transliteration discussion, exactly the 
>     same was happening in s.c.greek and s.c.turkey (and the greeks definitely
>     do _not_ use the latin alphabet, right?).  So this is a widespread problem
>     and is being solved more or less successfully in the different newsgroups
>     with just a little application of patience and tolerance.
> 
>     So, please bear with us a bit longer -- we may arrive at a readable
>     compromise accepted by all (well  .... by most).
> 
>     Best regards,
> 
>     Stan
> 

	I volunteer to translate the text that appears below in English,
	with the hope that this will help those who do not understand
	Bulagarian to read the whole original posting. 

> 2.  Uvazhaemi gospodin Georgi Ivanov,
> 
	Dear Mr. Georgi Ivanov,

>     Bih te zapital, izpolzuvajki narodnata mqdrost:

	I would ask you, using the people's saying:

> 
>     "Koga stana ciganin, koga ti pochernya gqza?"

	"When did you become a gypsy, when your ass got black?"
        (Translator's remark: I apologize, but this is what the
	original says.)

> 
>     Vsichko hubavo,

	All the best,	

> 
>     Slavi
> 
> 
> OK, OK, so maybe version 2 has little to do with tolerance, but if I may resort 
> to an "old Bulgarian saying" once again:
> 
>     Kakvoto povikalo, takova se obadilo.

	Tit for tat.

> 
> Ayde chao.
> 

	C'mon bye [a mixture of colloqual Bulgarian and Italian.]

[End of file]

Some people seem obsessed to use Bulgaraian ... in an international network
... in Latin... at any rate from outside Bulgaria, however.

They would say they love Shopin, and would play him by accordeon, for the
temporary absence of a piano.


But when they visit Irechek, they would be happy to play 
"Slaninka" ("Bacon") on the piano. Why not!


Best regards,


Atanas Radenski