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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fantasy Games
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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> Hmm, I can see why pure fighters couldn't make it, but I can't think why
> pure magic users couldn't. Any chance of spilling the beans 8-)

You *have* to cast ZO-KATH-RA to prove you are a wizard.

You also have to 'cast your magic, cast your might' in one of the
rooms in the 2nd level!  (don't *need* to do all the rooms, but it
helps!)

> On the subject of Dungeon master, was it actually possible to kill the D
> Lord by combat? I know they'd put an ending in where the white lord wipe
> you out if you'd killed the dark lord, but was that for real?

Just for the heck of it, I did over 5000 damage to him, and he was
still wandering around!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csg022@cch.coventry.ac.uk (PROC)
Subject: Re: AdSpeed?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:45:47 GMT

In article <H.ea.23yZaqg4I8o@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca writes:
>In <1993Jan14.150957.13631@bsu-ucs>, 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>> In my Mega ST4, I have either a socket on top of my 68k chpi or a spare socket
>> altogether (I can't remember which), but how would I go about installing an
>> AdSpeed chip (if it's worth it, at all)?  I've no experience whatsoever in
>> this, but from what I saw under my hood here, all I'd have to do is plug in the
>> AdSpeed...no?

>From what I've heard, you just plug it into the "MegaBus" slot (which is
>a 68000 PDS, exactly the same as the slot in the Falcon030) and awaaaay
>you go at 16Mhz.
>Does the AdSpeed have a cache?

I've just fitted ATOnce+ (16Mhz) into my ST. I had to solder every
pin onto the back of the 68000 and one wire to the
video shifter but it works a treat.
You can probably create a cache on either with a DEVICE=ramcache.sys
(or some such name) in the config.sys file.
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From: Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ctrl-alt-del reset adding utility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:18:14 +0100
Reply-To: p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet!Vincent_Partington@nextjk.wlink.nl
Distribution: world
X-FSC-PID: LED 1.00

In a message of <Sun 17 Jan 93 02:21>, SML108 (2:281/202.0) writes:

 S> Hi, has anyone ever written a utility to add ctrl-alt-del warmstarts
 S> to TOS 1.2 and earlier?
 S> I'd like to be able to reset without the modem hanging up...

You could also configure your modem so that it won't hang up whern the
DTR-line is toggled. On most modems AT&D1 will accomplish this. The only
problem is that you then have to use +++ATH to hang up.
Stalker can be so configures that it wikll use +++ATH when you want to hang
up.

Ta!
    Vincent

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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: All these wars...
	<C1600v.6ru@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:36:16 EST

In <C1600v.6ru@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, Kevin J. Klasmeier writes:
> Perhaps we sould try to get in renamed, so all can comprehend:
> comp.sys.THIS.IS.AN.ATARI.NEWSGROUP.WE.TALK.ABOUT.ATARI.THINGS.HERE.st
> I think this might be a bit more clear...but then again, some still
> might not know what this means. Oh well...stupidity is forever I guess.
> On both sides....

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... right?

How 'bout starting a thread or two about real Atari things (whatever
those might be)?

How 'bout reading news.groups and finding out how to create
comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy?  I'd offer to do it, but it's a long,
painful process; I pay for my news/mail over a UUCP feed; I've got
better things to do.
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cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: (was Re: Falcon)
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1993Jan25.115326.15257
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <H.ea.EDk4FXZWpMQ@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>, cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
> In <1993Jan21.142427.3114@aber.ac.uk>, Herbert Martin Sauro writes:
>> This months UK Atari User has a two page spread by Atari, advertising 
>> the Falcon and ST Applications are hoping to have a reivew of the 
>> Falcon next month.
> 
> Who's going to see it other than current Atari users?
> 
> Atari needs to put a two-page spread into BYTE or MacWorld/MacUser (I've
> seen adds from _IBM_ [not cloners] about multimedia systems in the Mac
> magazines) or something.  With the dwindling numbers of current Atari
> users, the Falcon is going to FLOP if we're the only ones that know
> about it.

	Heck, even Commodore has been running Amiga ads in Byte for several 
months now. (And Byte even includes Amigas in some of their articles.)

Later.......

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opera, so you compromise, and listen to         \RC1DSANU@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier)
Subject: Re: ST-Falcon Swap Scheme Concept
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:09:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.174635.14917@cs.hw.ac.uk> sbrown@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stuart Brown) writes:
>Wouldn't it be a great idea if Atari were to offer ST owners a swap scheme
>in order for them to get their hands on a Falcon?
>
>I bought a 520STFM in March 1990, right before Atari decided to dwindle the
>price of an STE;  since then I've upgraded to 1Mb, got a sampling cartridge
>and an external floppy disk drive:  the point is, if I were to get a Falcon,
>all this stuff would be useless!  If a swap scheme was in operation, Atari
>could take our old hardware (use it for spares or sell it again for cheaper
>perhaps) and give us a spanking new Falcon:  obviously we would have to give
>Atari some money as well;  they can't give away Falcons!


Though this would be good for the consumers, it would be devastating to
the dealers. Because there are so few dealers out there, Atari must not
pull a fast one on them. Many dealers offer swaps themselves, but in my
opinion you can get a better deal by selling you computer here  on  the
net. It would be different if Atari had an expected 1,000,000  userbase
willing to buy the FALCON but they don't, they have no  choice  but  to
distribute this fine computer through the dealer network....


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                  | *> GEnie: K.Klasmeier              | |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Yes, SXs are dogs
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:26:55 GMT

In article 74134@cup.portal.com, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com () writes:
>Mark Santora writes:
>
>
>>   Not to flame, but there is nothing liek the real thing...  And at $229, w
>>ROMS, I could get another Ste...
>
>Umm.. not to flame, but why would you want to buy a GEMulator without
>ROMs, when it comes with TOS 2.06...?


I may be mistaken, but I believe $229 is the new price for Gemulator _without_
ROMs.  Maybe Darek can clarify if no one lambasts him for a commercial post. :)

BTW, if anyone really wants a Gemulator, I have one _with_ TOS 2.06 and the
latest extra-cost software upgrade for sale.  Send me email if interested.

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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GFA 3.5E
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:31:37 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 28230@news.ysu.edu, ah334@yfn.ysu.edu (Sherry Mackiewicz) writes:
>
> have a small puzzle...Using GFA 3.5E, I can get some things 
>to compile (a couple small prgs, an acc, etc).  But most thngs 
>*won't*,  rather they will, but all give an out of memory error.
>since I'm using a 4 meg machine wih no background/auto prgs, this
>hould be impossible...
>


Sherry, you didn't mention it but which machine (aka, which TOS) are you
using?  This sounds like a problem with TOS 2.05/2.06 in which the compiler
doesn't like XCONTROL.ACC.  There are two fixes:

1) Run the compiler _without_ XCONTROL.ACC loaded.

2) Change the RESERVE memory setting in the compiler source code and recompile.
   Start up your interpretor and load MENU.GFA (the compiler source code) find
   the RESERVE line near the beginning of the file and change it to some huge
   number (I use RESERVE 150000, I think).  Then RUN the program in interpreted
   mode and use it to compile _itself_ saving the newly compiled file as
   MENU.PRG.  Tricky, eh?  For safety's sake, be sure you maintain a backup
   copy of the original MENU.GFA source, OK?  ;-)

Anyhow, either of these should resolve the compile problem judging from how
you described it.  If not, let us know...

Cheers,
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From: ph9991_imm@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: a bunch of stuff for the Atari
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:36:04 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


	So, how exactly does a person get these things for his/her Atari?

Larry
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Profibuch (was Julian Reschke involved...)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:19:07 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD
NNTP-Posting-Host: backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

In article <8701@charon.cwi.nl> jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen) writes:
>apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled) writes:
>> (Julian F. Reschke) writes:
>>> (William Rosenkranz) writes:
>>>> (Sander Stoks) writes:
>>>>> Boy, am I looking forward to the Falcon Profibuch!
>>>> will this be available in english?
>>> Probably not, because currently there are not enough possible
>>> customers to justify the translation costs (more than 1500 pages
>>> of technical text -> expensive!).
>> i'm not so sure. There are a lot of English speaking countries; Britain
>> and the States. i would think that there would be sufficient demand to make
>> it worth somebodies while.

>Right! Not to mention all countries who's inhabitants don't speak German
>but *do* speak (or at least can read) English.
>
>And besides, doesn't computer jargon write much easier in English in the
>first place! It took me some context switching to figure out that the
>German word "speigern" means "to store in memory" although that's
>not the fault of the German language but more of my limited knowledge of
>the language :).

For the price of the Profibuch (80.-DM ~ $50 per 1200+ pages) you should
be still 'liquid' (in money terms) enough to also buy a German dictionary.
This way you'll learn some German, which will be for your future
career probably even more profitable than knowing the VDI calls. (har)
Since most of the stuff you can guess, (like what's Malloc gonna do ??) and
the jargon draws quite a lot from English, this I think oughta be feasible.

(I had to read english manuals from the tenderest age, there was nothing
else available (sob))

Nat!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: Re: ST-Falcon Swap Scheme Concept
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:10:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.174635.14917@cs.hw.ac.uk>, sbrown@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stuart Brown) writes:
>Despite my enthusiasm for such a concept, I doubt very much whether it will
>come true:  I'll have to sell my ST system for a pittance ...

Rather than sell for a pittance, consider donating your equipment to a teacher
who does not yet own a microcomputer.  There is freeware and shareware
available for many of the tasks a teacher might want (there is even shareware
gradebook software available, although I don't know how well it travels outside
the United States).

There are also a number of preschools who would love to get their hands on a
512ST with RF modulator, but could never afford a computer on their limited
budgets.  The ST, along with children-oriented software such as the KidPrograms
by D.A. Brumleve, would be greatly appreciated.

-- David Paschall-Zimbel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: how does someone get stuff
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:33:59 GMT

I get all my STUFF from Pacific Software in California (as
a dealer). Companies like Joppa (at least they used to) buy
their stuff from PSS as well.

To get STUFF, ask your local dealer to get it from PSS, the
toll free number is 800-???, yikes, just blanked out on the
number. Call 800-555-1212 and ask for the number!
From: dsc3jwa@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Allor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: CANNON BJ-5
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:54:54 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

I recently saw the Cannon bubble jet BJ-5 for $300.  I'd like to use
it with Pagestream, mainly.  Does anyone have any experience with this
combination.  What is the quality and cost of running a bubblejet.  Its
says its 360DPI, but is the quality good.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Allor	dsc3jwa@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Re: Speedo GDOS questions...
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:28:03 GMT

In article <C18vvE.2Ds@news2.cis.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>In article <7082@tuegate.tue.nl>, wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel) writes:
>SpeedoGDOS will be using BitStream fonts.  You will not need a font-editor,
>since there are well over 1,000 typefaces available commercially.
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is the reason why I *do* need a font editor.

>You won't want a font-editor or conversion utility because bitmapped ST fonts
>are too crude when compared to the quality of a true vector font.

You're mixing two different things.  I want a font editor because I do not
have a free APL2 font, and I don't want to buy one.  I don't care about 
bitmapped ST fonts.  Also, I think that Speedo GDOS can also handle those.

-- Volker
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From: evilandi@vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Oakley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:13:54 GMT
Subject: Falcon & Jaguar news
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

   Page 374 of Teletext On 3 (the data service provided by the UK's ITV
television network) today features a brief interview with an Atari UK
spokescreature.

   It said that Atari is currently *stockpiling* Falcons rather than
supplying them before the March launch date, so that there will be plenty
of stock ready.

   The Jaguar was said to be nearly ready; it is a cartridge console with
custom graphics & sound chips, and will sell for UKP100-200 (USD150-300).
A summer/autumn 1993 launch is expected.

Andrew Oakley <evilandi@vnet.ibm.com> (JANET: <evilandi@com.ibm.vnet>)
IBM Warwick, UK (I speak FROM IBM, not FOR IBM)    UK Tel. 0926 464830
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From: ts9@irz207.inf.tu-dresden.de (Till Salzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Profibuch (was Julian Reschke involved...)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:37:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU of Dresden, Germany
Distribution: world
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Hi!

In article <1k0ci4EINN4eg@uni-erlangen.de>, lsmichae@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes:

|>>For the price of the Profibuch (80.-DM ~ $50 per 1200+ pages) you should
|>>be still 'liquid' (in money terms) enough to also buy a German dictionary.
|>Isn't that a *big* ignorant? Just imagine, you want to spend 50 bucks for a
|>book in e.g. chinese or russian, can't speak the language and say that's
|>cheap? You even would by a even more expensive dictionary and a grammar
|>book to learn the language from an instant?
|>
|>Well, if you would do so, that's your problem, but it won't help our
|>english speaking friends.

Maybe you know someone who will translate the german Profibuch into english.
Maybe you will find someone who will launch the english book.

Solange Du aber niemanden findest, musst Du es auf deutsch lesen. Duerfte fuer
Dich ja kein grosses Problem sein.

No doubt it were silly to write an english book for german readers. Most people
like to read books in their own language. Aren't you? Maybe it's SYBEX's opinion
that there are not enought readers for an english Profibuch. If this is wrong -
tell SYBEX.

|>English is established as the international language for scientific and
|>computer science books, that's because english is a language that is
|>spoken world wide. And that's why computer books are usually written in
|>english.

Yes, english is established as ..., an english is spoken worldwide. But if I go
to China and can't read their books, it would be *MY* problem. Even if it is a
book about computer science.

Wie dem auch sei - lesen bildet.

	ketchup
From: lehmann@cs.tamu.edu (Mark A Lehmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD.... NOT, IBM is...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 03:32:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu

>Here in Norway it took a company called Datavarehuset 6 months to from they 
>launched their IBM-clone until they outsold IBM. Which they also are doing 
>today. Party on....
>
>Greets
>
>Rune Hyldmo

Wow that is really impressive.  What was the pricing on the 3090-600E with
vector process and 6 parallel processor mainframe clone?  How many models
of the E/S 9000 mainframes did they have?  Did they also sell the 200 page
per minute laser printers for it?  How about clones of the smaller computers
like the AS/400 minicomputers?  What type of Database applications worked on
the AS/400 clones?  Were they still compatible with the old System/36 machines?
How about the smaller machines like the RISC System/6000's?  Did they have
the full pizza-box to refrigerator size RISC Processors?  Could they still
handle 256 users logged in at the same time?  And then to IBM's smallest
market of micro-computers.  Did they offer a 24-hour replacement maintenance
service?

My point is that while micro-computers are great for home use and a just at
the EARLY infancy of office use, many of the problems of large scale
computing with thousands of users spread of thousands of mile just isn't
available and/or practical right now.  Big computers still sell for lot's of
money and that is where big companies like DEC and IBM stay in business.

I agree that micro-computers are a might force on the horizon and that in
the next decade more applications with evolve for large scale distributed
BUSINESS computing.  But banks, airplane companies, space agencies, defense
systems, etc. can't wait for the future.  These industries need the powerful
mainframe hardare **AND** software that already is designed NOW!  PC's will
most likely take this place in the future and it will be a lucrative area
of computing, but the business systems are not largely in-place in the
highly profitable areas of business and scientific computing.

Look at the large picture if you are going to express generalizations.
I'm not flaming, just mentioning a view point that many microcomputer
users don't seem to mention.
--
Mark Lehmann                      Senior Texas A&M University
lehmann@cs.tamu.edu
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:44:27 GMT
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls

In article <9301204372@ritz.mordor.com> ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz) writes:
>Bahahahahaha!  IBM is the largest computer manufacturer in the
>world.  It is so entertaining hearing a user of Atari products
>predicting the "fold"ing of IBM.

Don't know whether IBM is going to fold or not, but I do know that they just
posted the biggest single-year loss of any company in the United States of
America.  The news article in the business section of our local paper had quite
a story about how 'unprofitable' things have become for IBM.  If memory serves,
IBM lost 5.2 billion dollars U.S.

The majority of Intel-clone manufacturers are in no danger unless IBM pulls
entirely out of the PC market and focuses on newer technologies.  The
Intel-clone market has gotten big due to corporate 'trust' in the technologies
of IBM.

We'll have to see what comes out of the 'Pink' project between Apple Computer
and IBM.  Let us hope that the stockholders don't force such projects to shut
down because they're more interested in short-term profits.

-- DPZ