HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Cancelled Reservation Disputes (was HoJo)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:04:46 GMT

fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin) wrote: 
->Yes, but isn't it in their interest to find places that will also satisfy their
->need for commissions? 

not really.  it's in their interest to keep their customers coming
back (ensuring further commissions).  on my dime, i travel cheap ...
close to the local economy.  my travel agent is able to book me into
bed and breakfasts and small hotels which aren't available through the
computerized reservation systems.  as a result, i point all my friends
to this travel agent, and she gets lots of business.

->Suppose one is looking for budget hotels (as was my
->case;  HoJo happened to be running a discounted room special, as was the
->hotel I ended up staying in) or a hotel that isn't listed in the standard
->books they have?  This also assumes that one has access to a good travel
->agent.

you shop for travel agents, just like anything else.  did you think
the first one you used was going to meet all your needs?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com (David McCarroll)
Subject: Hawaii Helicopter Special tours
Originator: dmccarro@sedona
Reply-To: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:18:14 GMT


Has anyone had any experience with helicopter tours
in Hawaii that will drop you off in a remote location
and pick you up at a later time?
From: dcoder@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: fearful of taking undeveloped film thru X-ray
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: dave@nucleus.immunol.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Aug26.120253.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au>  
ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
In article <BtAutB.KA9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, csb58666@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James R.  
MacCrimmon     ) writes:
> In ten days time I am going to fulfill my lifelong dream of going to the
> UK.  I will be traveling, by plane, from O'Hare Airport in Chicago
> to Glascow Airport in Scotland.  I am taking with me twelve rolls of
> unexposed Kodak 400 film.  My question is, will taking the film through
> the metal detector, or theough the airport X-ray, damage or destroy my
> film?

At adelaide airport they have a sign posted which says only 1000ASA or higher
film may be affected.  Ask before you go through if in doubt.

> 
> Anther question:
> I am taking with me about two-hundred compact disks--These HAVE to be  
manually
> searched, obviously.  Will airport security allow me to just let security
> physically inspect the CDs?
> 
..
you can run the CDs through the x-ray machine since they work by light  
reflected off small pits in an aluminum film; they're not magnetic or  
radiation-senstive (at least to energy levels present in a metal detector).
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From: margulis@inf.ethz.ch (Eugene Margulis)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:00:41 GMT


> So, maybe instead of an inflight movie, the airlines should instead hold
> cultural sensitivity classes?
... plus the original posting about the irritating, obtrusive, stupid, 
uneducated, etc. american tourists.

Unfortunately many (probably not most) are. The basic problem, as far
as I believe, is with the totally inadequate system of education in 
the US. Thus you get all these undereducated americans that seem to 
be specifically bred to "do" Europe in 5 days or less.

I was in Munich last week-end and went to Dachau - the site of the nazi
concentration camp. There were lots of people from all over the world.
The only ones being loud and having their pictures taken in front of
the gate with "Arbeit macht frei" were the americans.

-eM
From: 21329JMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: 52 Re: Miami and Hurricane
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:19:20 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>Anybody knows whether guests at beach hotels along Miami Beach
>

What happened to cruises in and out of Miami?
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Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:31:57 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <3866@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:
>From article <frank2.28@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, by frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N):
>> It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
>> of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 
>> worst in large tour groups, but individuals and families can be almost as 
>> bad. They appear to have no consideration for fellow tourists and the locals 
>> whose lands they are visiting. 
>
>(lots of unkind remarks about American tourists deleted)
>> --
>
>I would agree with all of this, except that I would delete the word
>American! People of all nationalities who treat foreign countries as
>elaborate theme-parks drive me nuts. 

IMO There appear to be two types of tourist.  The one lot travel in large
groups/packs mainly of their own nationality,  whizz through a country 
taking photos,  see more of the inside of bars than scenery and will 
later refer to Lenins tomb as "some geek is buried in there" or say
"We have much bigger [insert historical landmark here] ones at home. 

The other lot generally travel in smaller groups and call themselves travellers.

In the large groups group dynamics takes over,  these people are often
loud noisy and irritating and come from almost all nationalities.  The travel 
seems to be secondary.  In general the ones who are most annoying are 
either loud tourists in your country or any group of more than 10 members of
your own nationality when you also overseas.

The group often calling themselves travellers are generally much more 
interesting and often their small groups will be multi (or dual) nationality.
Often these people will be knowledgeable about where they are/have been and 
will share that knowledge.

Of course the locals in the country being tourorised do not make a 
distinction between tourists and travellers and react as though _every_ 
foreigner is loud and brash and insulting and culturally ignorant.  They
then seem very surprised when this is not the case.

Just my 2 lowest denomination coins worth.


-- 

Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand --
From: poli2031@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Infor on PENANG
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:44:19 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Someone has requested for info on PENANG and as a person who have lived
there most of my life I should be able to point out certain places to visit.
Penang could be reached by air - an international airport receiving flights
from Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong, Manila.
The bridge from the mainland - there could be a bus service now.
The ferry is still operating and it would cost (M$0.40 - unless the price has
gone up since).  A good view of the harbour - the cheapest tour.
Bus services from the ferry terminal or taxis (agreed on a price before hand
they don't run on the meter).
Places to see:
Penang Hill - either by cable rail or walk.  The best time would be about
4 pm or so to go up on weekends.  Wander round at the top and come down after
7pm.  Nice scenic view from the top and the differences after dark with the
lights below in the city.
Pagoda of a Thousand Buddhas - near to Penang Hill, a chinese buddhist temple.
with the statue of the Goddess of Mercy nearby.  Stores selling souvenirs along
the walkway up but beware of the prices - bargain.  Nearby is a market.
Botanical Gardens - plants and monkeys with a small zoo, waterfall, ponds.
tranquil and peaceful.  On the road up would be Hindu temples.  Could pop in
to see and also the Municipal Youth Park nearby.
Thai monastery with giant Sleeping Buddha statue and Burmese monastery across.
Snake temple on the road to/from the airport.  Must see.
Good shopping in town with a number of free duty shops there.  The big shopping
complex known as KOMTAR.
Near the harbour - houses built on stilts over the water.  Also a number of
chinese clan houses, hindu temples, chinese temples, mosques.
Fort Cornwallis - an old british fort across the municipal buildings and the
Esplanade.  Nearby is the museum - good.  St George Church - first anglican
church built with Indian convict labour, it is next to the museum and across
the High Court.  Nearby is also the Chinese temple dedicated to the Goddess of
Mercy.  The city itself is good for foot touring.  Just be careful with
valuables and cameras at times.
November is good as the rainy season would not have started yet.  Email if any
other infor needed and I will try to assist.
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From: jeff_a@apollo.HP.COM (Jeff Allen)
Subject: Entertainment `92 for Hawaii
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:15:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

Does anyone have an Entertainment 1992 book for Hawaii
I could buy. I would be willing to pay purchase price,
plus shipping for even a used one (assuming there are some
coupons left :-).

I'm planning a trip in October and ordered one from the company
but they were out since they're getting close to releasing `93.

For those of you that don't know about Entertainment books they
have hundreds of coupons for buy one get one free meals as well
as hotels at 50% discount.  The hotel coupons cover much of 
the country but restaurants are local.

	-- jeff
-- 


==============================================================================
Jeff Allen   Hewlett Packard, CHD-02-CO, 250 Apollo Drive, Chelmsford MA 01824
jeff_a@apollo.hp.com  (508) 436-4287  fax: (508) 256-3941
==============================================================================
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From: riisp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (RIISP)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:56:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <wcsjc.714791889@cunews> wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writes:
>It is bigger.  It took me nearly two weeks to do the USA.
>8-) for the humour impaired.

Come back again soon, now we've got a MALL that takes two weeks to do! 

>Flesh: John Coughlin                            Elvis ate my Cadillac
>Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370

Larry J
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: amarkel@encore.com (Arieh Markel)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:34:37 GMT

ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.210041.23067@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> margulis@inf.ethz.ch (Eugene Margulis) writes:

>....Mr Margulis appears to be from Switzerland.

>Yea, right asshole.  That's why the entire world flocks to schools in the
>US.  Sure, make your ridiculous conclusions, you'll probably be applying
>here for grad school. And if we do have to hurry through Europe, it is
>because unlike the European, we *work*, none of this 6 week of vacation
>a year shit.  But I guess banking drug-money isn't that time consuming.

You probably would be surprised that people from the world also flock to
ETH (the Swiss Technological University).

>>
>>I was in Munich last week-end and went to Dachau - the site of the nazi
>>concentration camp. There were lots of people from all over the world.
>>The only ones being loud and having their pictures taken in front of
>>the gate with "Arbeit macht frei" were the americans.

>Yea, those same asshole americans that saved you and everyone else's
>asses from the Nazi.  I seem to remember Switzerland being neutral.
>Yea, that would have lasted long.  You would have been a state of
>Bayern. 

You are making an asshole of yourself. I would guess that Mr Margulis
is jewish, so probably yes, in this case he may have saved his life 
(or his parents, or grandparents) if in fact, they had been allowed
to enter Switzerland, which by the way denied this from many jews who
were left to be caught by the germans at the border.

On the other hand, the fact that one posts from an e-mail address that
is in someplace says nothing about the nationality or the actual place
from where the poster is posting ...

Mr Malone, you have expounded on your own misconceptions based only on
an Internet address, grow up ...

Arieh
From: howeird@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com
Subject: Re: Singapore/Malyasia/Thailand by train
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:58:52 GMT
Organization: HP Research Grants Program

According to gilbert@esd.dl.nec.com (Russell Gilbert):
>> In article <1992Aug3.092824.11937@email.tuwien.ac.at> gerhard@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Gerhard Fohler) writes:
>>>I'm toying around with the idea of going from Singapore by train via
>>>Malaysia to Thailand and choose a decent island to relax there in mid
>>>October. I wonder if anybody has experience/comments on this or knows
>>>about the weather at that time of the year.
November 1989 I was planning to do just this, take the express train from
Singapore to Haad Yai, Thailand (it continues up through Bangkok to Chiang
Mai, too). I had made this trip in 1977, and aside from the train breaking
down several times between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, it was a fascinating
trip. However, a week before there was a major hurricane which ripped apart
a section of track in southern Thailand, and the express trains were
cancelled. Then there was a problem with looters coming up from Malaysia to
pick over the hurricane-wrecked towns, and all trains from Malaysia to
Thailand were taken out of service. So I ended up taking a bus from
Singapore to Butterworth, and a taxi from there to Haad Yai.

From Haad Yai I took local buses west to Krabi, and then a small boat to a
resort island. After returning to Krabi, I took the local buses to Phuket,
and stayed at a beach there. There are so many islands and beaches on both
sides of the Southern Thai peninsula that I wouldn't reccomend any one in
particular. However, if you want to really get away from it all, go up to
Bangkok, and take the train or bus east to Trat province, and take a boat
out to Gho Chang (elephant island). There are several islands in that area,
all very beautiful and still fairly unknown to tourists. It's quite a trek
to get there, about 6 hours from Bangkok to Trat, an hour to Laem Ngop (the
boat pier) and another 5 hours on the boat to the far side of the islands.

......................................................................
. Howard Stateman            | I knew French was a language by age 6.  . 
. howeird@hpl.HP.COM         | At 19 I discovered it was also a tongue..  
. [Not an HP spokesman]      |Anatomically Correct BBS (415) 8-jovial  .
........................................................................
From: rcborcic@bgtys23.bnr.ca (Rob Borcic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Request for Info on Eastern Europe
Keywords: Czechoslovakia Hungary Bulgaria
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:44:18 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

I will be spending about a week in each of these cities:

Prague, Czechoslovakia
Budapest, Hungary
Sofia, Bulgaria

I have guide books to each of the cities, and have some idea of things to
see and do, but could anyone tell me:

-  What, in your opinion, is the best thing to see and do in each city?
   How about day trips to places not too far away? What are the "must-see"s?

-  Can you suggest some good restaurants in any of the cities? I prefer
   vegetarian food, but don't expect to find too many veg restaurants
   in eastern Europe. I'd be happy with a clean, not-too-expensive
   place with good food. I expected the food to be acceptable to my
   western palate, but my phrase books include items as "pig lungs
   in cream sauce". Yuck! Where can I get food that I can actually eat?

-  As a lover of wine, I was hoping to taste the wines of eastern Europe.
   I know that Hungary produces quite a variety of wines (Tokay, and some
   of the more common varietals) as does Bulgaria (Cabernet Sauvignon
   and Chardonnay). Does Czechoslovakia produce any wine, or should I just
   stick to the beer? Are there any especially good wines I should look
   out for?

-  Are there any places I should avoid? Tourist traps, rip-offs, lousy
   restaurants, etc.

-  Where should I exchange currency? I've been advised to carry local
   currency, as shops and restaurants will rip you off on the exchange
   rate, but where should I exchange the money? Banks?

Thanks for your help!
 -Rob

--
Rob Borcic      | Bell-Northern Research      | Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
rcborcic@bnr.ca | Software Engineering Centre |
From: smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: ? Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas, Mexico
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:09:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <l9idphINNhro@cronkite> tad.davis@sun.com writes:

>My wife are I are planning a trip to Tuxtla Gutierrez during November.  I
>would appreciate tips on places to stay, eat, things to do, etc.  We plan
>to visit the Sumadero Canyon and a couple of other national parks during
>out stay.  We'd also be interested in a doing a little Christmas shopping
>if there are any good bargains we should be aware of.

(1) Great Indian crafts available in San Cristobal, a short ride away.

(2) We went to Puerto Arista in November, 1985 midweek and loved it.
The place was empty with miles of beautiful beaches.

SJM
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:46:07 GMT

frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:

>It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
>of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 
>worst in large tour groups, but individuals and families can be almost as 
>bad. They appear to have no consideration for fellow tourists and the locals 
>whose lands they are visiting. 

I've seen a lot of tourists acting loud, obtrusive, selfish, etc.etc. 
while I'm traveling.  I've also seen tourists being loud, obtrusive,
selfish, etc.etc. while they're traveling and I'm at home.  
And I think, people being people,  there are obnoxious folks from
all over the world.  Granted, American tourists can be horrible
(and I'm very embarrassed by them) but so can tourists from
other countries.  I've seen enough tourists to show me that
being obnoxious is not a purely American thing.

I think traveling in large groups can exacerbate this problem as
well.  I've seen plenty of busloads of obnoxious tourists from
<generic country>.  I've also met plenty of very nice people
from <generic country>.  You simply can't say that all people
from <generic country> are horrible based on an experience with 
one, or ten, or more examples because they're are also counterexamples.  

Being from a given country or even being a tourist does not
turn a person into a horrible monster when traveling.  That
depends entirely on the person themself.  If they're awful
before they will be awful while traveling and being awful
doesn't follow lines drawn on a map.


Julie
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From: mwong@bugbuster.Eng.Sun.COM (Martin Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Seeking info Frankfurt & St Petersburg, Russia
Date: 27 Aug 1992 23:07:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bugbuster

Seeking travel advice, restaurants, sites to see from
Frankfurt Germany and St. Petersburg, Russia.

   thanks, mw

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From: rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb (Robert Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:36:34 GMT
	<1992Aug31.134741.13471@sinix.UUCP> <1992Sep1.084130.2377@aber.ac.uk>
Reply-To: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <1992Sep1.084130.2377@aber.ac.uk> spk@uk.ac.aber (Stephen Kingston) writes:

   > Well, because the economy and standard of living in the States is vastly
   > superior to that of european countries, more Americans travel.  

   Actually, I think that, per Capita, the British travel (abroad) more then 
   any other nation.

This is an interesting remark.
Is this true?
I'm constantly amazed that Britain is either the best or worst for
any given statistic and never inbetween.

--
Rob Scott
---
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University of Edinburgh         FAX: 031-226-2730
80 South Bridge               email: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
EDINBURGH
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From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Pacific Heights, Calif.-Good & Bad?
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:41:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


My California atlas doesn't list a town by the name of Pacific
Heights.  Where is it, exactly?
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From: nvecchi@cscs.ch (Nicole Vecchi)
Subject: flights-->Zurich/NY
Followup-To: nvecchi@cscs.ch
Organization: Centro Svizzero di Calcolo Scientifico / CH-6928 Manno
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:16:57 GMT

I'm having a horrible time finding a decent price on a ticket for
travel in October from Zurich to New York (round trip). Any 
suggestions? Is it possible to buy a ticket in the States for 
use with a European starting point? 

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Nicole
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Spring water in Germany
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:27:14 GMT
	<venable.123@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu>
	<BETSYS.92Aug20195229@ra.cs.umb.edu>
	<1992Aug24.142923.29636@nsc.nsc.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug24.142923.29636@nsc.nsc.com> volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel) writes:

>In article <BETSYS.92Aug20195229@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>>  Fun fact: There are no plastic water bottles in Germany. Save one!
>>Otherwise you will get HEAVY glass bottles.
>>
>Just for the record: You get Evian in PLASTIC bottles in every major supermarketin Germany.

Hmm, I only was in small stores, train stations, and liquor stores.
The shopkeepers told me it was legally required to sell water in
reusable glass bottles. Perhaps this is a new law, or perhaps it is a law
restricted to take-away places? Anyone in Germany know?

--
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