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From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:19:40 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <26892@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong) writes:
>
>    I was wondering how some of you feel about the traditional Chinese
>family values in these day and age.
>    The traditional Chinese family values is :
>    1)  The parents take care of the children
>    2)  Children should tell everything that is happening in their
>        lives and every thoughts that they have, even when the children
>        are into adolescence and into adulthood

Hm.... i never heard about this before

>    3)  When the children grow up, especially for the guys, they
>        should continue to live with their parents even after they
>        get married so that the parents will not feel being left alone
>
>    So here are some questions :
>    A)  Which one of the above points are still applicable today? Why?
>        Which are not? Why?

I think it depends.  Some people will find it applicable, and some don't.
But i would think for a good, and healthy family, the parent should take
care of the children.  From my Pyschology class (only a introduction), the
teacher said if a child is living in an environment without parent's love,
it's most likely that the child will behave a lot different.  No doubt
he/she will be more mature earlier,  but the child will have an
'unheathly' way of viewing the world.  There are 2 possible results:

1)  the child will think that nobody in the world love him/her, thus, will
    act violent and have the tendency to solve everything in violence.
2)  the child will think that nobody in the world love him/her, thus, will
    think that there is no point to live (not to the point to commit
    suicide), so he/she just live to live, no aim, no energy to do anything.

Sorry if the above stuffs didn't make sense, but it had been a while since
i took that class, it was a fun class.

>    B)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        when you go to college?

Probably not, i think one will leave his/her parents some day in his/her
life, and i think it's the best time to leave when one goes to college,
provided he/she isn't highly immature.

>    C)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        after you start working in a permanent job?

I think i'll.  After all, your parents have take care of you for a long
time, maybe it's time to pay them back.  Also, since i've been away in my
college year, maybe it's time for a little gathering.

>    D)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
>        after you get married?

If i have a big house, (not need to be too big, but not crowded), i
wouldn't mind living wiht my parents.

>    E)  About what percentage of all the things and thoughts that you tell your
>        parents about?

I don't really know, 50%? 60%?

>    F)  Do you feel that there is a generation gap between you and your 
>        parents?

Oh yeah!  You bet.

>
>
>--
>John Wong

Fran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hung Leung)
Subject: Re: Gaels is No. 1
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:06:10 GMT

In article <92327.044354LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>Well, since there were messages on US college football. I may as well post
>some news on Canadian college football.

Well, since other people have posted news on US college football,
UCAA results, etc.  Perhaps I should post BNR volleyball league
results here as well.  Heck, it is just as irrelevant to schk anyway.

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From: mchung@ee.tamu.edu (Maranatha Chung)
Subject: Info of Swan Lake magazine
Keywords: Swan Lake, magazine, subscription 
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:58:29 GMT


Does anyone out there have any info about a magazine called Swan Lake?
From where can I get a subscription?
Thank you very much.

Maranatha
mchung@ee.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai)
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:03:13 GMT

In article <By0w20.Kuy@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> shafung@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung) writes:
>The idea of worshipping your anchestors or grandpa is stupid,

Oh, no. Show some respect to your ancestors.

>since you never know whether your anchestors have reincarnated (actually I don't
>believe in it at all, cuz' then, why the population is growing) or not.

But..., the population of animals is getting smaller!!!

Tony

>
>Cheers,
>Alan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cykwan@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Chik Yun Kwan)
Subject: UCLA(Bruins) >> USC(Trojans)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:59:06 GMT

Did anyone watch the marvelous game UCLA vs. USC on Saturday?  That was a
great game.  Sorry to say to you Trojans, but we Bruins won.  I know you Trojanswho are reading this are pissed as hell right now, but life is life, accept it.
From: danaho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dana Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Sandy Lam's new album...
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:59:10 GMT
Organization: UB

the name of her new album is come back to love.  here's my attempt at phonetics
... wui loi oi dic sun bean.  personally i thought that it was fresh.
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ILHC: Love Clinic (WLS RESPONSE) 11/16/92
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:05:43 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:

>There is a saying that goes something like "When you are dating, you
>should be guided by your head. [deleted]

Which `head' are you referring to? :) Sorry for the XXX joke. :)

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Yu Chun Keung Memorial College
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:51:02 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article <5010014@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> alanip@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Alan M Ip) writes:
>
>Hi there,
>
>Are you talking about the one at Waterloo Hill Rd. and next to New Method
>College.  If it is true, here is e-mail address and some information
>about myself.
>
>E-mail Address : alanip@hpsrdos2.mayfield.hp.com
>         Name  : Alan Ip
> Elementry School : New Method College at Prince Street
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					   Prince Edward Road

> Secondary School : Yu Chun Keung .. only up to Form II at 1980
>                    My family immigrant to the U.S.
>
>Hope we have more people !
>
>alan
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:05:58 GMT

cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:

>Right! But to many people are fooled by Patten's show. Before 1997, even
>if there were 100% direct elected seat in LegCo, the ultimated source of
>power is still from Britain. We, Hong Kong people, still have no right
>to choose our own government. The Governor still have absolute right to
>dismiss the LegCo and refrom ExCo. What's the different compared to the
>past 100 years. 

No, you've misinteprete the system. It's true that such system can provide
a legislative framework for dictatorship. But this system doesn't make
Patten a dictator. If Pattern treaten Legco to accept his proposal or he
will dismiss Legco, then your point is right. However, I don't see he'll
execise his power in any case, even if Lego have turn down his proposal.
He don't make these rule and he has no intention to use these rule.

>WAKE UP EVERYBODY. Patten is just using us as bargaining chip to CHINA.
>Whether Hong Kong has democracy is not the main point. The main point is
>that how much money Britain can take from Hong Kong in the remaining
>years. 

On the contrary, how Britain benifit from the political reform is not
important. How Hong Kong will benifit from the political reform is the
main point.

It's no point to question Pattern's motivation for his proposal. It's    
doesn't matter who forward the proposal, whether a hong Kongese, chinese or
a Britain. If it is accepted by Hong Kong people, then the proposal is
Hong Kong's proposal. Hong Kong is the subject of the proposal, so Hong Kong
people's opinon is most important. Not who forward the proposal.

Besides, you can always criticize that its a conspiracy no matter what he do.
You can criticize him for teh same thing even if he completely subdue to China. 
  
>The governor has never listened to the people but the BIG MOUTHs in Hong
>Kong. What we people want are low property price, low inflation rate,
>better health care, better education system, better social wellfare ...

Yes, therefore we need an accountable government. A government who will
listen to people's need. That's the whole point of democracy reform.

>Only the BIG MOUTHs want 20 or more direct elected seats in LegCo. No
>body cares people's life. 

Look what the Lego have done in the past year. Since there are directly
elected member, Legco have done more for people's life than ever before.
You got to know the fact before you criticise.
 
>C.M. Hui


tung wai yip
From: afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung)
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:47:37 GMT

>Becoming a ghost is a Taoist belief, reincarnation is a Buddhist
>(and ultimately Hindu/Indian) belief.  They contradict each other
>all right.
>
>Buddhist,
>Wing

Hmmm.....

I hope you're just joking, Wing. :)

Taoism and Buddhism are two rare gems of the human civilizations. They
don't deal with "ghost" and "re-incarnation" at all!

The central tenet of Taoism is a dualistic world view, and a belief in the
dialectic of the opposites. It advocates following the "Tao" as the most cost
effective way of accomplishing things. Contrary to popular beliefs, it is
a very pro-active philosophy. Wong Chung (in Cantonese), a Hon Dynasty
astronomer and inventor of the famous earth quake detection device, is the
most famous Taoist. His fifteen treatises on "Equilibrium" was a
brilliant scientific expose'.

Buddhism, on the other hand, addresses the psychological realm of human
experience - particularly suffering. Its central doctrine is that
suffering is inseparable from existence. It advocates inward extinction of
the self and of the senses to achieve nervana - a state of "infinite
compassion" and "infinite illumination". In that regard, it is a very
re-active philosophy.

One is form the Chinese civilization, while the other is from the
Indian civilization. Both are spectacular contributions to humanity!

Regards,

Al Fung
SoftFab International Ltd., One Kendall Square, Suite 2200, Cambridge, MA 02139
Email: afung@SoftFab.COM        Voice: (617) 621-7014       Fax: (617) 577-1209
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jfl@creek.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Subject: Re: Chow Yun Fat's first name
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180506.22992@tamsun.tamu.edu>, hongl@cs.tamu.edu (HL) writes:
|> In article <98048@netnews.upenn.edu> gho@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grace Ho) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >Hi.  I was wonderin....does anyone know what's 
|> >Chow Yun Fat's american name?  So far, someone
|> >told me that it was Robert but someone else
|> >told me it was Adam...who's right?
|> >thanks...
|> >
|> >Grace
|> 
|> It's Amen or Aman.  

What about Juese or God.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Wennies re TRASHED!!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:40:36 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Wennies

In article <1992Nov21.234836.719@leland.Stanford.EDU> karkam@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kar Kam) writes:
>What a runaway in the 95th Big Game!
>
>Wennies re just trashed back home across the bridge by 41-21 !! 
>(some nice desperate on-side kicks though)
>
>Yes, GO CARDINALS !!!
>
>DKam
>

For those who doesn't know what's up:

Stanford Univ. (the Cardinals) just trashed Univ. of California at Berkeley's
football team.  One should recall, however, that Univ. of Washington, Seattle
(the Huskies) trashed Standford 42-7 a few weeks ago.

- Louis




Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: Stunning New Investment Opportunity in US
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.170738.15885@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>This is posted in alt.chinese.text:
>
>~{SPH}0Y6`C{11>)JPCq5G<GR*GsSCAy0YNeJ.C@T*9:BrO`51SZR;C6~}
>~{SJF1DGC44s5DC@9zHN:NR;V]5DMA5X!#~}
>~{OzJ[SJF1Cf;}4sP!5DMA5XJGR;<RC@9zMA5XMFOz9+K>N*AK<MDn8g~}
>~{BW2<7"OVC@V^4sB=Ne0YV\5D<MDnF7#,6xVP9zHKBrUbVVMA5XTrJG~}
>~{N*AKG)V$H%C@9z!09\@m!1UbF,MA5X!#~}
>
>It says that there are some three hundred citizens in Beijing register
>for buying a piece of land of the size of a post stamp located anywhere
>in US for US$650. The selling of this stamp-size US land is the idea
>of an American company, which sells the land as a 500-year anniversary
>souvenir for memorializing the discovery of Ameirca by Columbus. And the
>purpose of the Chinese who buy the land is to obtain the visa in order
>to "manage" that piece of land.
>
>HAHAHaHaha ...
>
>Steven
>-- 
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
>
Why are you laughing?
It is most studip thing I ever saw.
What a waste, American are most likely only spend 25 cents to get 
same size of land.
Your joke does not make me laugh.
It makes me sick by insulting chinese intellegence.
Sorry, I can't laugh for your story.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Subject: Re: Land
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:29:53 GMT

rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>
>Ok, here a question.  My family owns land in
>HK, due to inheritance etc. Now, my father said
>I need to register for something in HK for some
>reason or another to get something related to this
>land.   
>

You hardly gave any useful particulars about your situation, but...

In Hong Kong, noboby actually OWNS any land except the Crown (but see
exceptions below).  When the HK Govt holds a Land Auction, what the
bidder is paying for is a LEASE for X number of years.  In the old days,
this period is 999 years for all HK Island and Kowloon (south of
Boundary Street) plots.  For NT plots, it is the number of years
up to 1997.

Ever since the Joint Declaration was promulgated, the situation has 
changed somewhat and a new department (Land Authority ??) will be/is being/
has been set up to handle complications arising from leases that
go beyond 1997, and to manage Land related matters when HK becomes an SAR.

The exception to this is certain indigenous people of the NT actually
do OWN the land they (and their ancestors, also indigenous to NT)
live on.  At some point in the past 20 years, they were issued with
certificates from the Govt which recognise their ownership, but also
provides a formula with which the Govt can buy their land at a certain
price (I don't remember what the formula was) at some future point.
I am not familiar with the details.  Apparently these certificates are 
transferable, and with rising demand for residential/commercial/industrial
developments in the NT, may have made a fortune by selling their rights
to development companies.  The mechanics of these things are quite
straightforward, but the financial implications can be great.

Perhaps this is what your father was referring to, especially when
your surname is Tang. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: sslok@srv.PacBell.COM (Sam Lok)
Subject: Re: about Bruce Lee's movie...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:43:32 GMT

>In article <1e6e61INNrsq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> be549@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Coose) writes:
>>
>>Hi, I just had a argument with my friends.  They said that 
>>according to Bruce Lee's wife, Bruce Lee had only made 5 Kung-Fu
>>movie in his life.  I am not sure the exact number, but in my

It boils down to what the above sentence really means.  The number of
movies he made AFTER he returned from the US or the number of
movies he actually appeared in during his entire life?  


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kbs@ccr-p6.ccr.jussieu.fr (K.B. Su)
Subject: Human-Gateway in HK?
Organization: Laboratoire d'Electrochimie - Paris 7, FRANCE.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:08:35 GMT

Hi,
Sorry to catch up like this with that phony header :)
but here's what i'm looking for:

Is there anyone here, living in HK (:, and willing
to contact a friend of mine there? It's quite important and because
the mail from Paris-HK will be subject to lots&lots of delays!!!
(Tube is on strike, so the rest will soon follow ;)!

Here's my e-mail: jb@paris7.jussieu.fr

Merci!
jb
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:28:38 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <6430027@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> mirin@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mirin Lew) writes:
>I have a related question.  If someone was a resident of HK and is now a
>US citizen, and he returns to HK, can he apply for an ID card without
>affecting his US citizenship?  Is having a HK ID card equivalent to applying
>for a BNO from the point of view of the US government?  I'm wondering about
>this because a friend is thinking about spending an extended length of
>time (maybe 6 months) in HK next year, and he's thinking about getting an
>ID card to make it easier to get access to services in HK (e.g. medical)
>if necessary.  He lived and worked in HK for 15 or 20 years before coming
>to the US, but he was born in China.

An HK ID card means PR in HK and it doesn't matter if you have
any other passport.  And it doesn't mean that you are BNO or
the old BDTC.  I have a lot of friends who has done that.  So,
tell your friend that there is no problem and I would definitely
say that it is a good idea.  You don't want to carry your
passport daily in HK, right.
And if you go to Macau and China, if you have a HK ID, you don't
need to use your passport.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Clarify, San Jose
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.070513.19458@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
>b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
>
>>In <1992Nov21.043127.11534@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
>
>
>>>Right! But to many people are fooled by Patten's show. Before 1997, even
>>>if there were 100% direct elected seat in LegCo, the ultimated source of
>>>power is still from Britain. We, Hong Kong people, still have no right
>>>to choose our own government. The Governor still have absolute right to
>>>dismiss the LegCo and refrom ExCo. What's the different compared to the
>>>past 100 years. 
>
>>Uhm... In such case, should we just fold our arms and wait for the 
>>democracy to come?
>
>You get my point. Hong Kong people need to fight for democracy from
>CHINA, not rely on Patten. If Britain really want to bring democracy
>system to Hong Kong, why don't she let us vote for our own governor, and
>our own government in 1995? 
>
>C.M. Hui


Let's make an assumption: If tomorrow, the British says that they will
leave HK immediately and it will up to the HK people to elect their 
own government, what do you think will happen? Do you think a HK elected
government will have any bargain power against PRC government? Yes, I
think that Patten is a politician and I think he still put the
British benefit as his first objective. But as long as his push can
benefit the HK people as well (maybe through a side effect), I have to
say he is a good government at this point. From the response of the
Chinese government to what Patten did, at least we can have an idea
of how much we can trust the PRC government. (Just as Patten always
says, "If anyone can find anything he did that violate the Joint
Declaration agreement, please state it". So far I have not seen 
anything coming out yet).


-Raymond Choy-





Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: whui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (World on Fire)
Subject: ghost stories
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:11:27 GMT

it's very interesting to hear about the kcr news, but does anyone have 
any other ghost stories to tell....very into these stories...no matter
fiction or nonfiction.
also i'm new to this soc.culture.hongkong group 
so if anyone wants to write or just plain old whatever...could send letters
to: whui@uiuc.edu (or) whui@ux4.uiuc.edu
still not sure does both work or not...and yes...i am chinese
open to suggestions of all sort...stories..comments...or just plain old
need someone to talk to...likes to make friends around the world
just getting started actually.
hope to hear from anybody 
my name is wayne hui...just for people who is asking

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14782 soc.culture.china:30992
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:59:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov22.171024.13784@dsg.tandem.com>, Steven Leung wrote:
>lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted) So, try to look at the HK political system
>from the perspective of how HK's political system can be made as a transitional
>model for China in the future,

Thanks a lot.

>instead of Po1 Leng3 Shui3, Fang4 Leng3 Jian4.

I guess you mean "Ti Hu Guan Ding" and "Dang Tou Bang He"? That is right.
When you head is over headed, as poet Gu Kuang said:

Fortunately there is some cool water to pour,
so my head would not be over heated -- 
               (Gu Kuang's poem ends here)
Before I dream of creating a model for others,
make sure I can stand firm for 50 years no change.
               (not Gu Kuang's poem:-)

Of course, nothing can be guaranteed. If you have decided to gamble,
go ahead, that is none of my business:-(

>Steven
>--
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Good luck for you D-gamblers. 

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