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From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:26:18 GMT
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Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov23.194508.28180@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.015411.11074@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>The Rams came out and tried to pick on Eric Davis deep. All three attempts
>>failed, although one of them resulted in a chintzy "illegal contact" call
>>against Davis. 
>
>Well, maybe, but the refs were pretty kind to our Niners overall, so I'm
>not complaining.
>
>>The only play on which the
>>secondary was exposed was on the TD pass to Ellard, on which Hall played
>>like a rookie (well, he *IS* a rookie!).
>
>I don't think he's playing like a rookie.  I think he's playing like
>a Freshman.  Pretty disappointing, so far.  It's been a tough season
>for the Dawgs.
         ^^^^^
  
	Dawgs? What Dawgs are you speaking of? The only Dawgs I know of are
those Dawgs from Cleveland!

	-EdJWi
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Dolphins still suck (but are lucky)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:36:07 GMT


So, if we can't stop Lorenzo White, and we need a missed 41-yarder
in order to win -- then what kind of chance to we have next week
in New Orleans, who have Hilliard, Heyward and Morten Anderson?

I smell fried fish, cajun style.

--Gidi
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys Versus 9ers
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:42:42 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

My opinion on this:  if it is the Cowboys and the 49ers, and I'm starting to
think it will be, the win is going to go to the home team.  Despite the loss
to the Rams, the Cowboys have proven to be very formidable at home, and the
49ers are no less so.

Daniel Welch
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners 21, Saints 20
Summary: WORSHIPMORANOW
Keywords: WORSHIPMORANOW
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:32:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov18.232416.26915@nntpserver.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes...
>Zimmers writes:
>>
>>>More like "Third time's the charm!"  And that's what we want.  And if
>>>the Niners are playing the best ball right now (very possible), then the
>>>Saints are definitely a close second.
>>
>>Dream on.  Niether the Niners or the Aints have the complete package.
> 
>WHO DOES!  The '72 Dolphins?!!
> 
>>The Bowboys still look like the class of the league, followed by Minnesota.
> 
>Remember Zimmers, I said "the best ball right now."  Look at the past
>two weeks:
>	Dallas:	37-3  over Lions,	23-27 loss to Rams.
>	Vikes:	35-7  over Bucs,	13-17 loss to Oilers.
>	Saints:	31-14 over Pats,	20-21 loss to Niners.
>	Niners:	41-3  over Falcons,	21-20 win over Saints.
>Now can you honestly argue that the Vikes and/or Boys are outplaying the
>Saints & Whiners at this point in the season?  I take "Class of the
>league" as meaning head-and-shoulders above the rest.  FAR from that.

Who cares???
	Buffalo: 28-20 	over Steelers,	26-20 over Dolphins.

Yeah, two divisonal leaders in a row.

And, let's throw in...34-31...

>Furthermore, if the Niners were playing the Vikes or Cowboys this
>Sunday at a neutral site, who do the think the bookies would favor?

Who cares?  Where is the line relevant to anything other than money?

>Then there's that 8-2 AFL team.......Bub...Biff...Babs....whatever.....

Yeah, 34-31, pal.  And a *whole* bunch of other reasons...

>>I still look for Philly to get it going by playoff time, too.  It's going
>>to be a rocky road for the NFC West.
> 
>No argument here, but it was nice to find some solace in the fact that
>the rest of the NFC 'contenders' tripped up this past Sunday.

yeah, put it in quotes while you can still put it next to the initials "NFC."

>--J.J.
>GEAUX SAINTS... (but leave the Prevent at home!)

ObFootball:  If defense wins championships, how come the Saints haven't put in
a SB appearance?  Or a first-round playoff win?

Sorry, bub, you deserved it...

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (Vince Hradil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Refs Calls (+ attention Dave Mikesell)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: hrad@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov17.233336.2792@pellns.alleg.edu> freshlt@quig17.alleg.edu (Timothy Freshly) writes:
>
>	In the MNF game last night, there were two questionable calls in  
>the second half (both in the 4th quarter too I think).
>
>	The first was on a run by Thomas.  He was knocked out of bounds on  
>the goal line but his knee knocked over the pylon.  The Bills fans I was  
>watching with all thought that it was a touchdown.  I disagreed (I'm a  
>Steeler fan so I was FAIRLY unbiased) saying that the ball has to cross  
>the goaline and it appeared to me that Thomas's upper body and therefore  
>the football were out of bounds, consequently no touchdown.  Did anyone  
>else get a better look at that play?


The question still remains: does the ball need to pass over
the goal line INSIDE the pylon?  For instance, suppose the
ball carrier is all alone at the one yard line.  Then he
holds the ball extended out of bounds and walks into and out
of the end zone, without the ball ever being over the
playing field.  Now that I think of it, this means that if a
reciever extends over the white area to catch a pass, while
keeping both feet in bounds, it's no touchdown, because the
ball wasn't in the field of play.  Is it a TD because both
feet were in the EZ?  Does this action (both feet in the EZ)
nullify the fact that the ball was not in the EZ?

Thanks for clarifying.

Vince
From: privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:20:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>>
>> A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He 
>> immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
>> sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
>> goal.
>> Anyone else ever see anything like this?
>
> A kickoff is from a tee and a field goal is from
> the ground so it is not quite the same as 75-yard
> field goal. There have been many times that a kickoff
> has cleared the end zone if not actually going thru
> the uprights. But it is still neat to see.

Also, on a kickoff, the kicker gets a nice long 6 or 7 yard
run-up to the ball when kicking.  On a field goal, in order
to prevent blocks, the kicker must kick with only about two
steps worth of momentum built up on the approach to the ball.

Jim Privat
jimp@hpwss401.mayfield.hp.com
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:06:56 GMT

jg> John P. Gloria spews:

jg> [rhetoric of no substance deleted ]

  Face it, Johnny, you stil haven't got a clue as to making a decent argument
  in r.s.f.p. I can see you fifty years from now, "Yep, these 49ers are a
  GREAT team, because of all them Super Bowl wins", to which your grandkids
  reply "Time for Grampa to rejoin us in the 21st century again, he must have
  forgotten to take his drugs".

  Why don't you just invent a time machine and relive the '80s over and over
  again, and let the rest of us be spared your lack of living in the here-and-
  now. Even simpler, just go away, like you did when your Forty-Whiners lost.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILLS WIN SUPERBOWL!
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:04:52 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Just in case the Bills lose on MNF against the Fish... (BET II)

The Bills still get to playoffs and hammer the Broncos for a second
time this season. They then beat the Oilers and meet the Cowboys/49ers
in Pasadena.

I can post after that game can't I ?
-- 

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Texas Stadium (was Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:14:09 GMT

In article <1284@fozzy.UUCP>, ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
|> BTW, there was a blurb in The Dallas Morning News yesterday about Jerry
|> Jones seriously looking at the possibility of putting grass in Texas
|> Stadium.  He is also looking at the possibility of putting some sort of
|> mechanism similar to Venetian blinds over the hole in the roof of the
|> stadium to eliminate the annoying sun/shadow patterns which Texas Stadium
|> produces.
|> 
|> I must agree with Glenn, when it rains a day or two before a game and then
|> the sun comes out, Texas Stadium is extremely humid and musty.  It stinks
|> and is very uncomfortable.  Very bad stadium design for the Dallas weather
|> pattern.  There is hardly any way for the moisture to get out.
|> 

    Same article also stated that regardless of the type of playing surface
they have next year, it will be a flat one.   Texas Stadium has one of the
older type surfaces with a crown in the middle.  Technology has arrived
since that will allow adequate drainage with a flat playing surface.  I think
this will help Dallas on the road, but they will give up an advantage they
once had at home (read visiting QBs unfamiliar playing on unlevel field).

    The "Venetian Blinds" thing is interesting.  Being a season ticket holder,
I think Texas Stadium climate-wise stinks.  I think the original intent was
that it would have all the advantages of playing outdoors and playing in a
dome.  Read my lips...Not going to happen...wouldn't be prudent :)  In the
summer, its hotter than either because there's no wind.  In the winter, its
an icebox.  On the plus side, it does keep us fans out of the rain.   

    Doming the stadium is out of the question. JJ won't pay for it and 
neither will the city of Irving.  So, I hope they go with the "blinds" and
grass (Emmitt, king stud #1, is god-like on grass).

|> Carl
|> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com

Pat Power
The PRIDE of Mesquite, TX.
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From: wacknf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Neil Wack)
Subject: Rams vs. Dallas
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:54:06 GMT

Would some kind soul please post the score of the Rams-Dallas game?  I'm stuck 
doing a project until the wee wee hours, and I need some good news to keep me
going.

Thanks.
Neil  (wacknf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)
-- 

-Neil  (wacknf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) | "The more I know, the less I understand."
                                     |        -Don Henley
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:58:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.214933.29435@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>dheyser@dazixco.ingr.com (Doak Heyser) writes:

>>   Yep, I'm old enought to remember.  However, I can't remember when
>>the Eagles were ever NFL champs.  Check a few nursing homes.

>    1960 wasnt all THAT long ago that nobody can remember... granted
>it was some 8 years before I was born, but certainly there are some
>people on here who have memories going back that far...

>    And just for laughs... the '60 NFL Championship was over the Packers
>17-13

I'm glad we finally got this cleared up.  The Eagles haven't won
the championship in 32 years, but Green Bay did it just 25 years
ago.  I don't think Eagle fans have any room to talk about the
formidability of the Packers over the last few years.


>    Incidentally, they were also back-to-back NFL champs in '48 and '49

And Green Bay was NFL champs in '29, '30, '31 (three-peat #1),
'36, '39, '44, '61, '62, '65, '66, and '67 (three-peat #2).


-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:53:28 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1992Nov17.212233.26810@ncsu.edu>,
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>
>  Now, give me a break. How can someone predict a Bills vs. 49ers
>Super Bowl, and say that the 49ers are going to win?? The Bills
>already proved they could beat those 49ers, so I think that the
>Bills are still underrated. Don't give me this garbage about SF
>having so many points against Atlanta: The Bills always paste the
>Colts by that amount!!! I don't care, the Bills would win that
>scenario! Prove me wrong, go ahead. I want to debate!!!! :)
>--
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

How are we suppose to prove you wrong?  About the only way I can
think of a way is if the two meet in the Superbowl, and the 49ers
come out on top.  Being that you are biased fan of your team who
thinks that your Buffalo's chips don't stink, I'm not going to waste
my time with any other method.
Although I will mention that the Bills team beat a 49ers team who
was missing the greatest WR in the league, missing perhaps the best
catching TE in the game, and missed a few very makable field goals,
let alone excelled in every offensive category over the Bills except
number of plays. I guess you are right, the 49ers just don't have a
chance at winning that game.

                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
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From: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com (David McCarroll)
Subject: Re: bizarre play in CARDS/FALCONS game
Originator: dmccarro@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:43:43 GMT


In article <56977@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> 
> I had the same thoughts, but here is how I think they made the call. It was
> a clear case of Deion's momentum taking him into the endzone, so at that
> point unless he comes out of the endzone and then goes back into it, there
> can be no safety. So even the lateral to McKyer and the handoff back to
> Deion are not important. The key then is was Deion down before he intentionally
> fumbled the ball forward(apparently thinking it was going to be a safety if
> Randall Hill tackled him) ? I assume the refs ruled that he was down so there
> was no fumble and its a touchback. I think that would be the correct ruling.
> 

If it was a touchback, then why wasn't the ball placed on the 20? Instead they
started from the 2 yd. line.


> To be honest Hill did appear to have Deion wrapped up so they could rule
> his momentum was stopped, but I don't think his knee was down yet when he
> fumbled. It was probably already blown dead before the fumble.
> 
They replayed this on the local new here many times, the only whistle that
could be heard was after the "recovery" of the fumble. And the refs made no 
movements of the arms to indicate that they were trying to stop the action.


> Very dumb play by Deion, could have been a disaster, but it all could have
> been avoided if Chandler hadn't underthrown Hill who had 2 steps on Deion
> in the endzone(the ball hung up and Deion recovered for the pick). 
> 
How true...
-- 
 Intel, Corp.
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
 Chandler, AZ  85226
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Moon shines bright.
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:38:39 GMT
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In <62085@mimsy.umd.edu> rorry@cs.umd.edu writes:

> In article <#jjqvxc@lynx.unm.edu> baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
> >In article <Bxs4pC.Fru@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
> >	I don't have the same confidence in Cody that I do in Moon, but 
> >we could do a lot worse than Cody Calrson leading this team. 
> 
> Does anyone know who is (or will be) Cody's backup???
> That would be very important if Cody is hurt (which is not unlikely given
> Moon's precedence) in the next few weeks.
> Are there any more ex-Maryland quarterbacks around? :-)

  Carlson's backup is rookie Bucky Richardson out of Texas A&M.  Bucky has
tremendous heart and is a great competitor but I watched him play at A&M for
4 years (1 year he was a redshirt due to injury) and he is about the *last*
guy I would have expected Pardee to pick up as a potential Run and shoot QB.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades-Colts idiocy
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:33:32 GMT
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: less to the Colt's benefit.  Elway virtually single handedly got Denver to two
: of their 3 SBs, and was instrumental in the third.  George'll be lucky if he
: sees 3 playoff games the way the Irsays run things, much less Three AFC titles.
: 	-Skins fan

--

	I think Denver's defense-almost always underrated-had a lot to do
	with all four of their super bowl appearances. 

	-keith
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:06:54 GMT

In article 98544@netnews.upenn.edu, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.170417.7397@newsgate.sps.mot.com> saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:
> >
> >
> >If they are not much better than their record shows, then the Cowboys are *MUCH* worse
> >than THEIR record shows....
> >
> >Still having trouble CHOKING down that Ram meat you were talking about Eric?
> >
> >
> 
> Oh man if the woofing from the Cowboys, Niners and Eagles fans weren't
> enought, now we get woofing from fans of a team that doesn't even have a
> winning record.  What's next, Seattle woofs every time the Seahawks score 
> a field goal???
> 
> satish nair
> 
> 

I too, Mr. Nair, hate woofing... but I also hate people making comments that they
do not understand. You see, Mr. Bennett was the woofer the week before the Ram/Cowboy
game. He talked about Ram chops, Ram stew, Ram etc... on the Cowboy meal menu. He
is just reaping his just desserts....

AS IF GIANTS FANS DO NOT WOOF.... But I can understand you not liking the Rams, the
way that they tend TO DOMINATE THE GIANTS. 

Sorry.. I know I shouldn't do that. I will try to abstain.

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From: apo@owlnet.rice.edu (Apolak Borthakur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Oilers-Vikes game
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bxs2EH.zv
Organization: Rice University

A thriller. The Oilers were superior in terms of
time of possesion, yards and first downs,etc, but
they just seemed to be unable to stop turnovers. 
To the credit of the Vikes, their defense did an 
outstanding job in forcing the turnovers. But, 
their offense sucked big time(again, here credit
must be accorded to the superb Houston defense).
A must-win situation for the Oilers, and they pulled
it off.

 Warren Moon played his heart out, throwing 
well, and scrambing for yardage(even though he had 
to take so many hard hits in the process). A gallant
effort- remember that his contract has no injury 
protection- if he doesnt pass his physical at the 
beginning of the season, he doesnt get paid!
Lorenzo White was outstanding, as usual. I sometimes
think that the Oilers should ditch the run and shoot,
 get a couple of tight ends, and let White be
the offense . The way he's rushing in the
R&S scheme is incredible. Remember that there are no
tight ends in the R&S, and so he doesnt get as
much blocking as he could get otherwise.

Hopefully this win will ignite the Oilers and get
them back on track.
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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Brett Favre vs. Eagles defense
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:36:21 GMT

I went to the University of Southern Mississippi with Brett Favre and played
against him in high school. He is a good friend of mine (one of my brothers
best friends) and I'm very happy the rest of the country is finally getting
to see him throw a football. He simply has the strongest arm I've ever seen
and good touch and football savvy. You Green Bay fans are very fortunate and
if you let him go you will be making a huge mistake.

I'll give you a slight warning, however. Brett likes to drink beer a lot (I
drank with him at some parties at Southern) and his much publicized accident
during his senior year (much of his large intestine was removed, car accident)
was alcohol related although that fact was not released to the public (he told
my brother one night). Anyway, sorry to ramble but just warning Green Bay fans
that their new QB is fun-loving and sometimes maybe a little careless.
I hope Brett is careful and has a long career with the Packers and I wish him
the best of luck. 

Don't flame me. I know this was drivel but it is rare when someone you know and
played against in high school is riddling pro defenses. 

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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Packer news:  Workman to IR
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:14:21 GMT


Clarinews has reported that Green Bay has placed Vince Workman on
injured reserve and activated RB Marcus Wilson.  

Workman will be eligible to return for the Packers last two games:
the Rams and the Vikings.

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)