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From: kbindner@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kenneth Bindner)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Three Ball Juggler Software
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:00:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA

In response to Michael Glenn's question regarding the "Three Ball Juggler"
software (also does four and five balls) from First Magnitude, 175 E. Alex Rd,
Centerville, Ohio 45459, (513)436-0232.

This software requires IBM compatible computers only, with EGA or VGA and at
least 512K RAM. 

                                Ken Bindner


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From: burtonm@bokonon.inmos.co.uk (Mark Burton)
Subject: Re: DIY Clubs
Reply-To: burtonm@inmos.co.uk (Mark Burton)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:15:10 GMT

I've made a few clubs myself, and am about to make some more (when I get round
to it -- sorry Jeremy!)

My method is quite simple, and the results are really good. The idea is to 
make a club on a par with a Henry's circus club, but for under five POUNDS.

1.. find a club that you like (in terms of shape)
2.. make a glase fibre mould of the bulb of the club (cost about 20 pounds)

Now your ready to make clubs...

1.. coat the inside of the mould with release agent,
2.. coat the inside of the mould with gell-coat, the amount you use
	will determin the balance.
3.. place a dowel rod into the mould, to be the central spine of the club.
	The thickness of the dowel will determin overall weight.
4.. fill the mould with PU two part foam (this is commonly used for cavity
	wall filling, and DIY model makeing)
		NB the stuff commonly expands by about 15:1
5.. open the mould, and trim.
6.. cover the gelcoat with sticky back plastic, this is inportant, because
	the gelcoat will quickly crack when the club is dropped, the sticky
	backed plastic will protect the club, and make it pritty.
	It is the gelcoat which will eventually cause the downfall of the
	club after about 3-6 mounths.
7.. wrap thick plastic (as henry's and todd's) arround the base to make
	the handle, and cover with sticky blacked plastic,
8.. buy and attach standard knobs and tops

The cost per club (excluding mould) is usually 2 pounds for knobs abd tops
					       <50p for rod
					       <50p for foam
					       <50p for the rest

They last 3-6 mounths.

You can make any shape, any wheight, any balance.

If you want more info, and a better description of construction teckneques,
mail me direct.

Mark.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:43:48 EST
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
 <1gog5sINN4cs@agate.berkeley.edu> <BzExrs.LEp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
 <1992Dec17.182619.10931@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>


For the last three weekends I've been doing
"walk-around" juggling at a local shopping
mall. The objective here is to get hurrying
X-mas shoppers to stop and watch. As has been
previously discussed, technical tricks don't
work too well at gathering a crowd - with
one exception.  I found that a five ball bounce
(drop or forced) really gets some attention.
(I know, I know, not exactly a HIGHLY technical
trick...) I'm not sure if it's 'cause the trick's a bit
unusual or the added noise it makes, but it was
a sure fire way to get people to stop. Then you
can grab them with more traditional entertaining
-type juggling.

Of course, you have to put up with the odd heckle
like, "Let's see you do that on a piano!".



  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  Kingston, Ontario, Canada
  naylord@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: kbindner@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kenneth Bindner)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: JUGGLING INSTRUCTIONS
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:39:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA


                        INSTRUCTIONAL JUGGLING SOFTWARE

In response to several recent inquiries on the net about instructional help on
three, four, and five ball juggling I will add my recommendation for a piece
of computer software that someone else posted about a month ago. The "Three
Ball Juggler" provides excellent juggling instruction and is also very
entertaining. Actually it includes four and five ball juggling as well. Also
very reasonably priced.

There is an instructional section with a changeable juggling character. The
juggler does a number of tricks with 3,4,5 balls. You can slow or increase the
speed and optionally leave a trail of dots so you can follow the path of the
balls.

The software was written by John Gallant who is an educational software
developer and also a fine juggler.

One of the great features of this package is that the user can interact with
the computer and juggle three, four, and five balls using two specified keys.
Very realistic...including drops if you aren't good. Allows you to see the
pattern and feel the timing.

Ordering address:

                        First Magnitude
                        175 E. Alex Bell Road
                        Suite 220-316
                        Centerville, Ohio 45459
                        Telephone: 513 436-0232

                        Cost:  $15 + $3 shipping (USA)
                               $15 + $5 shipping (outside USA, USA funds)

                        Charge card orders through Public Software Library
                                Telephone USA: 800 242-4775
                                Telephone Outside USA: 713 524-6394

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From: enl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Erik N. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Anyone know what's up in eithe Tuscon AZ or Vegas nxt cpl weeks?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:26:15 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

I'm going to be in Tuscon for 1.5 weeks around Xmas, and was wondering
if anyone knows the scene there, or knows what's doing in Vegas between
23 dec and 30 dec. 

Thanx for any inf
Erik Levin
enl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: David J Ward <71035.525@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: impressive juggling?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:30:31 EST


IMHO I think that crowds or people don't want to be impressed.  They
want to simply be entertained and they don't really care how you
do it.  If you want to do something "impressive" then you should
do it in the places that can support that juggling style.  That being
the circus or a Las Vegas stage.  Otherwise I think your best bet
is to "impress" through entertainment.  You can do this by giving
your tricks names or doing something funny.

If you want your audience to tell you how great you are then
you better give them a reason to do so.  Your super technical juggling
tricks tell an uninformed audience nothing about how difficult
they are or how long you worked on them.  If your tricks are
"impressive" then you are going to have to tell them that.

dave ward
71035.525@compuserve.com 


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From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: impressive juggling?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:36 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"


Jack Boyce is right that numbers impress onlookers, but not proportionate to
the difficulty. While practicing seven, the most common comment I heard was
"look, he's doing six balls." I admit I have a low pattern.

In an academic juggler column a few years ago, I speculated that one thing that
makes a trick memorable is how easily it can be recognized/summarized by 
a nonjuggler. All the really well known, really popular tricks are 
instantly recognizable and described, e.g., "he ate an apple while juggling,"
"he juggled fire/chainsaws/a bowling ball" an audience might be impressed by
mills mess, but they certainly can't describe or remember it, so it probably
makes less of an impression than the string trick (motioning so that two balls
look tied together with a string). 

If true, this theory is a bit depressing for performers, since it suggests that
genetalia jokes or spinning a ball on your boob are the way to go. And people
ask me why I don't perform...

Arthur Lewbel    Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: How to do Mills Mess
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:23:18 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Dec17.021051.16912@csc.canberra.edu.au> kim@csc.canberra.edu.au (Kim Holburn) writes:

>Hi,
>   I've read the help file from moocow on mills mess and I've seen the
>animation from jugglepro2.3. The movie didn't seem to be quite the same
>as the book. I'd like to learn it but I've never seen anyone actually
>doing Mills mess so I have a couple of questions. 

>On Klutz's scale of 1-10 how difficult is Mills mess? 
>Does anyone know of or could invent some preliminary exercises that might
>help? 

As (another) who has just succeeded in `mastering' Mills' Mess, I
feel qualified to answer these questions. MM was sort of my aim when
I started juggling (`When I can do that I will be a real juggler')
so I'm pretty pleased, even tho' I realise there is still a long way
to go yet...

as to your questions...

i) well... I could do forward and reverse cascades, 3-ball showers,
`juggling tennis' and what I believe is known as `pistons' before I
got to MM. Being able to do the latter (aka `juggling hands') was
useful (In fact I thought it _was_ MM for a while). Things I _can't_
do yet are: clubs, 4-balls, under the leg, etc. So I'm a novice too!

ii) I shall try to describe how I was taught. As you probably
realise, tho', MM is easier to watch than to describe.

- take a ball in each hand (this practice only uses 2 balls).
- cross (say) your right hand over your left.
- throw the ball in your right hand to the right, to where your
  right hand would normally be. Start uncrossing your hands, prior
  to recrossing them the other way (ie. left over right).
- at the point where your hands have just become uncrossed, throw
  the ball in your left hand _straight up_.
- Keep your hands moving so as to recross them L over R. You should
  catch the 1st ball thrown with your R hand, and then the 2nd with
  your left (fairly obviously).

You are back where you started. repeat....

Once mastered, it is then fairly easy to see how the descriptions/
diagrams on moocow fit in. To me, it was analogous to the way I
learned the cascade. Whoever's comments there (sorry, can't remember
his name) about one ball staying on the outside and the others
exchanging places on the inside helped me to see what was going on.

I actually realised when typing this in that in fact I started by
trying the above with just _one_ ball, which (say) starts off in the
R hand with arms crossed, and ends up in the L with arms crossed. It
doesn't take long before you work up to the above, tho'.

	hope this helps 

		john N
-- 
john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics  University of York
Heslington   YORK YO1 5DD U.K
Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: CDW10@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:03:48 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

There seems to be a little confusion in some people's minds about
552 versus 55550.  55550 can be visualised by juggling 4 luminous
balls and one black ball, and then turning out the lights.  It's
a genuine 5 balls with a hole that is treated just like a ball.

552 is also 5 balls with one missing, but the hole does not behave
like an ordinary ball.  When it comes down to a hand, instead of
being exchanged like a ball, thus creating an empty hand, it bounces
back into the air, leaving behind the ball that was already in the
hand.  Thus the hole is never caught and held, and so there is never
an empty hand.

Secondly, if you watch closely "Brewster's Millions", the remake
staring Richard Prior, in one scene there are jugglers in the background,
almost entirely obscured.  They appear to be passing 7 or eight clubs.
What _are_ they doing, and who are they?
From: nam@doc.ic.ac.uk (N A Merriam)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Looking for a Klutz quote
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:13:40 GMT
Reply-To: nam@doc.ic.ac.uk (N A Merriam)
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

I think that most audiences are unimpressed by physical skills these days. It's
a great shame (in my opinion) and I think it comes about because people see
"the impossible" all the time pumped through the TV. The feats performed by
every competitor in the Olympic games for example, are so far beyond the 
achievement of most people that they become completely meaningless.

Richard Moll said that even eight balls failed to silence the requests for more

> Here are some comments I've received from passersby while practicing.
> Those delivering these statements were, without exception, completely
> unimpressed.
> 
>         I do:                                   They say:
>      ----------                               ---------------
> A short run (20+ catches) of          No, I meant how many balls can
> eight balls.                          you *really* juggle!?
>                                               -or-
>                                       Can you do nine?

You can tell who is a juggler in the audience because they know what is 
involved and say things like "Can you do a full shower?" Other make comments
like "I suppose the world record is twenty?", asked honestly!!

I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we just have to live with it; I don't
see what else can be done. Ban television?

On the other hand there are plently of people who enjoy a good juggling act, my
advice is just don't do requests!

Nick Merriam

Imperial College, London
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From: LS37 <LS37@UNB.CA>
Subject: Steal this Book!
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:29:17 GMT

To the person who was going to steal the library book:

Perhaps one thing you have not considered is the processing costs to
the library if you were to buy or steal their Carlo book and donate
a newer juggling book.  Most people don't realize that the cost of
getting a book on the shelves can approach the cost of the book
itself.  So even though there would be a one for one swap, the
library would be our processing costs for deleting the Carlo book
and adding the new volume to its collection.

Please don't steal the book.  Library budgets are soooooooooooo bad
these days.  Show some mercy to the poor at Christmas.

Are there any stores with juggling supplies in Halifax/Dartmouth.
I'll be there over Christmas.

Stephen Sloan
Systems Librarian                      Phone: (506) 453-4740
University of New Brunswick                    local   x6889
Fredericton, Canada
SLOAN@UNB.CA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: markt@harlqn.co.uk (Mark Tillotson)
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
	<1992Dec10.175137.16453@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:25:29 GMT

in <1992Dec10.175137.16453@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
ewn@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

> As a recent Mill's Messer I feel justified in commenting here as well.  Less
> than a year after I learned to juggle at all - I'm not sure which was the
> greater accomplishment.  probable juggling.  but anyway...
> I've been having problems doing this with clubs too.  I can get anywhere from
> three throws to three interations before everything collides, flies in four
> different directions (with only three clubs! ;> ), and hits me on the head, 
> all concurrently and consecutively.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Do people use doubles, singles (what I've been using thus
> far), etc?

After intial attempts in which I kept going into one of the
Pseudo-Mill's-Mess patterns, I eventually taught my hands where to go,
by starting with the first three throws, and concentrating on the
fourth, then when that was automatic, the fifth throw, etc, until I
could `feel' the whole cycle join together---it tends to click into
place quite quickly then.

I learnt with clubs (single spins).  I found that I could see the
columns with clubs, despite the many bruises sustained---tip, the
`middle' club (middle as in middle of the sets of three throws
left-middle-right, right-middle-left) should be thrown and caught a
bit further away from the body than the others, to reduce the chance
of it whacking your wrists when the hands are crossed over---also use
the softest clubs you have! 

Double spins is harder, and I wouldn't attempt this till the single
spin version is solid, as the chance of getting a club in the face is
high.  :+(

You could also practice left- and right-handed windmills (where one
hand throws are under the other hand, catches in normal place), and
alternate direction  (which if you do it rapidly enough _is_ Mill's
Mess)  You may also find (unlit?) fire-clubs easier because their
narrow profile gives more margin of error.

Hope some of this is of use---get into a right Mess if you can!

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From: jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:04:12 GMT
Organization: Econometrics Laboratory, U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily9.berkeley.edu

Who Cares?  Juggling is for the enjoyment of the juggler.
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From: femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Subject: Juggler in "Back to Future III"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Dec 1992 09:25 EST  

I watched "Back to the Future III" last night.  There was a juggler way in 
the backgroung during the "Festival" scene.  He was doing 4 balls very high 
and did several tricks with them. 

Any idea who it was?

**************************************************************************

Bruce Manners                                          Juglito, ergo sum

**************************************************************************
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:26:13 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: IJA Convention Dates?
Distribution: na

Here are the dates for the Fargo '93 convention:
July 20th - 25th, 1993.
See you there,
-Ben
From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Torches
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:55:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

> In article <zlsiida.569@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
> writes:
> |> I just bought some torches.  They'll be put away until christmas, but on 
> |> that wonderful day, what fuel should I use?  H. says parafin, and that rape 
> |> seed oil can be very toxic.
> |> How do you put them out?  H says stick them back in the parafin.  Sounds a 
> |> little dangerous.
 think the answer to this plus a lot of safety hints on fire is in the FAQ
file, or possibly in the nfo directory at moocow. If you don't have ftp, mail
me and I'll send you my original.

have fun, and practise in the light. darkness is very different...

ken

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From: ragatzs@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz)
Subject: Uni questions/Devil Stick
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:29:32 GMT

Some unicycle questions...

1.)   Which way does the seat go?  Usually forward but mine sometimes goes
straight down.  Apart from that, the longer end of the seat goes in the
front.  Unless of course the other way is less painful.  - Notice I didn't
say more comfortable... -

2.)   How high should the seat be?  You should be able to sit with all of
your weight on the seat and your heel on the pedal with a straight leg.
This way when you actually ride you use the ball of your foot on the
pedal and you have a slight bent in the knee.  Having the seat too low
makes riding a unicycle MUCH harder.  The high seat keeps the posture up 
and tall.

3.)   General tips.  Keep your eyes on the horizon in front of you.  Don't
look at your feet while you are trying to ride.  (They're just under your
legs where they've always been.)
     
      Pedal at a constant rate.  When you start, you must start pedaling
steadily immediately.  You can't go slowly at first and then work up to
speed.  It is pretty fast right away.

==============

The ideal Christmas gift.  In case Allan is reading this or someone else wants
to know...  The devil stick, rhythm stick, flower stick, etc. stick is what 
Allan is talking about.  To keep the damn thing from spinning horizontally it
is important to keep the hand sticks parallel to each other and parallel to
the ground.  If the end of one hand stick drops forward then the devil stick
falls away and begins to spin horizontally.
      In general, try not to hit the stick but rather lift it with the hand
sticks.  You'll discover increased control with a softer touch.

-     Steve

P.S. Head-cheez is a stupid name.  The Dynettes is MUCH classier...
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From: comptec91065@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: 3 Sticks...(?)
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:08:49 GMT

Hi juggle fiends...

	A knowing friend just bought me the ideal Christmas gift.
I don't know what they are called, it is basically a stick which
is kept in the air by batting it with two other thinner sticks.

	Problem: the damn thing keeps wanting to start revolving 
horizontally instead of back and forth like a pendulum (which is 
what I as a beginner would like it to do). Help please! How can
I control this "out to the side" stuff. 

	Please e-mail me directly because I don't read this news
group on a regular basis. 

Ciao Now,

	Allan

P.S. 
What are these things actually called any way...
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:30:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I agree with a previous post.  Fire.

   F F F F   I I I I I   R R R R     E E E E
   F             I       R       R   E
   F F F         I       R R R R     E E E
   F             I       R     R     E
   F         I I I I I   R       R   E E E E

On the last night in Montreal, I was sitting on the grass, surrounded by  
all kinds of amazing jugglers and juggling acts.  But when one guy pulled  
out 3 torches and lit them up, and basically juggled a 3 club cascade (and  
really badly, in my opinion), almost instantly around 20-30 people came  
over and formed a circle around him.  Me and a friend just shook our  
heads, wondering why we were practicing more difficult tricks.

Personally, before I learned to pass clubs, I used to think it was the  
neatest thing in the world.

Michael Glenn (NeXTMail ok)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Brendan Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Both Hand Passing
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:39:17 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:39:10 +0000

Could someone please put me out of my misery. For ages I've been
trying to work out a 7 club pattern for:

            right hand pass
            left hand pass
            right hand self
            left hand pass
            right hand pass
            left hand self
            ......

So far I haven't had much luck. Could someone please tell me if it is
possible or not and if so how you start.
    Thanks in advance.
                    Brendan.

p.s. does anyone know what the most clubs passed in one count between
two people is?
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