From: hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu (Henry J. Cobb)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board
Subject: GEV: More loot from the Ogre's lair.
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:43:22
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  98: Discussion of lead ban in NYC
  By: Steve Jackson  [2]
Date: 15:21  12/13/92

Well, this might be as good a place as any other sub-board. That
ruling has already been posted in full twice on Illuminati, but
one of them is in #70, current events, which is basically devoted right
now to flame wars about situational ethics and ammo consumption.
I'll go over to 70 and tell people to look for further news here.

  99: Missile Gev's
  By: James Hart  [618]
Date: 17:00  12/13/92

I like the MSL-GEV. It is a unit that is is both fast and effective in combat. 
For those of you who think it is to powerful, just remember that the only 
thing it has over the MSL-Tank is speed, all the rest of the stats are the 
same. The problem I can see with this unit is cost. Since all you are buying 
is speed I think the cost should go down to about4 points. You really need to 
use this unit against an Ogre to apreciate it, and since I have been playing 
Ogre since it was called a Micro game I like this unit a lot.  About the HVY 
MSL TANK. It is a good idea but mobile HWZRS are cheaper and have a better 
attack strength and they don't have to worry about running out of ammo. And 
besides you might as well by two Cruise Msl Crawlers. Thats about it from me. 
So just remember when you see that Ogre comming over the hill, make sure your 
will is up to date.

 100: GEVs VS LGEVs
  By: Shockwave  [424]
Date: 21:37  12/13/92

Shouldn't the Light GEVs in OGRE Minitures be faster than a standard GEV?
It does make a kind of sense too, if you think about it.  You're trying to 
move much less mass so you would go faster, right?
                                     Shockwave

 101: About the Lead ban.....
  By: C. J. Burke  [884]
Date: 07:39  12/14/92

I called the New York Daily News the day after the ban went into effect to 
find out if they knew anything about it.  The didn't, but the guy at the city 
desk sounded sympathetic and asked me to fax him a copy of the summary action 
order (which i've now buffered from **3** different sub-boards).   A couple of 
hours later, when I hadn't gotten a response, I phoned him again.  He hadn't 
even bothered to pick up the fax and this time he was rather condescending and 
annoying, as if to say, "Hey I was nice before, but drop it, ok?  It aint 
news."

So much for our rights being taken away without so much as a hearing.  THe 
News usually eats that stuff up.


 102: Don't give up - call again, maybe
  By: Steve Jackson  [2]
Date: 17:32  12/14/92

talk to somebody else. The media tend to assume that if you're not persistent, 
you didn't really mean business. Think of it as a screening process - it IS.

	[103 is a cross posting from rec.games.board -HJC]

 104: I've bought a bit over 100,000 copies
  By: Steve Jackson  [2]
Date: 00:19  12/18/92

of Basic GURPS. Why?

Oh, never mind . . . <smirk>

Sadly, there are no current plans for a big-counter version of OGRE/GEV.
Never say never, of course. But if I ever publish a big-hex boardgame version, 
I'd like to include lotsa little plastic tanks, per Milton Bradley, rather 
than cardboard. Which is all a pipe dream right now.

$100 in miniatures for a decent set? Wow. Our *company* Ogre collection - 
which is *not* small or shabby - wouldn't retail for much more than that. With 
the exception of the Ogres themselves, of which we have about a dozen, because 
we like to paint them and because you *need* a dozen to run Exercise K.

(Hmm. Note to myself: Translate Exercise K to ASCII and put it in the G-
files.)

No, the real expense in miniatures is NOT the raw lead. It's the time you put 
into preparing and painting the figures. Which I do out of love, so it doesn't 
count. But it's the reason I'm fanatical about carrying boxes . . . don't want 
to spend hours and hours kitbashing and painting, and then have them get 
bunged up on the way to a game or a convention.

But the other point on initial expense is that you want to round up a few 
friends who like the game, spend $20 or $30 each, get together for a few 
marathon painting sessions, and then field mutually complimentary units which 
you can expand gradually as time and wallet allows. Avoid at all costs the 
Thirty Pounds Of Unpainted Lead In My Closet syndrome.


 105: Bureaucrats! @#*&^%%@!
  By: Alacrity Fitzhugh  [434]
Date: 06:05  12/18/92

It looks to me like this lead minitures ban in NY is just another example of a 
Bunch of bureaucrats trying to justify the existance of their agency (jobs), 
by of: "Citizens! We your selfless public servants have uncovered yet another 
hienous scourge..etc etc..."
It would be interesting to know if this garbage coincides with a planned 
budget cut...hmmmmm hmmmm.
Alacrity Fitzhugh
Owner/Editor/Dictator-for-life of Gulag Press
Subriptions to "The Scavenger" available! E-mail for details!


 106: 30 pounds o' lead in the closet
  By: Montykins  [862]
Date: 19:28  12/18/92

Well, my figures (somewhere between 1000 and 1300 of 'em) were in my closet 
for awhile. Many painted, though.

Just sold 'em. Had to.

Good rule for novices: Don't own more figures than you can conveniently 
display.


 107: Be cool . . .
  By: Stefan E. Jones  [189]
Date: 22:56  12/18/92

Bureaucrats are generally torpid creatures, roused from their torpor only by 
outraged citizens. Write letters, circulate petitions, and they'll crawl back 
into their dens.

A friend attended the Tuesday night hearing in Albany. He said that he picked 
up good vibes; there were lots of people protesting the ban at the meeting. 
Fingers crossed!
--
	Henry J. Cobb	hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu	SFB Tyrant
	"Once it becomes possible to do something, it gets very difficult to
undo it.  Whether its automobiles, computers or nuclear weapons, invention has
always been the mother of necessity."
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA