From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Bisexual idenity and community (was Re: A hug request and ...) 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:15:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.212429.27630@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>In article <C0KJM0.DGy@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>|In article <1993Jan8.050223.6727@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>
[lots of very well put stuff]

>someone of the wrong sex.>  This is moderately nice about the
>bisexual community, such as it is; despite the different
>definitions of bisexuality, and dispite the widely varying
>interests of the people involved (*), you generally won't get flack
>about the genitalia of the people you're attracted to.
>
Is it that too?  A general acceptance of varying viewpoints.
trad, hippie, retro, fencesitters and *even* trainspotters (ick:)
I have found this acceptance in most bisexuals.  Or do I just know
the right ones?
>
>|At one level a bisexual community and personal idenity is created 
>|as soon as one differentiates oneself from the het label and the
>|gay/lesbian label.  I believe that this distinction is not enough to
>|actually form a community(such as soc.bi) on.
>
>   Why shouldn't it be?  It's one thing the lot of us have in
>common; some sort of attraction to both males and females <of all
>of the descriptions posted, this does seem to be some sort of
>common thread ;-)>
>
OK let me rephrase.  I don't see it as the only factor in the formation 
of this community.  I see more commradery to attribute it to just that.  
Maybe I am making things up inside my head (never again - Anyone know the
group?).

>   That's a large part of it.  Bisexuality just happens, and the
>immediate social reaction to it seems to be a large "eeeeek!"  When
>you're backup against a cliff, it's nice to know you aren't
>fighting alone.
>
>   If a miracle happened and homophobia vanished from the world
>overnight, there wouldn't be quite so much reason for the
>community, except it would be nice to have places where one could
>go and have some chance (aside from drooling over the straight or
>queer Usual Suspects of bifriends :-) of not committing the social
>misstep of becoming interested in someone who isn't appropriately
>oriented.
>
I think that if all the ignorance passed a second ago(another group)
(anyone anyone?)  I would still want and participate in this forum and
other bisexual groups.  I think this is part of it though.  But that is
a negative definition (in terms of a negative).  I think that it is
more of a positive definition which I find here on soc.bi.  What then is
this centered around?  Sure attraction to Members of both sexes(Mobs?)
but I sense something more (another group, clue next line "and I would like
to give you what I think you're asking for":).

>|Now to the fluff.
>
>|>   Hmm, he said, pray, please provide more details!  If you're
>|>gonna seduce me in front of 30,000 other avid readers, you're gonna
>|>have to work a bit!
>|And work is what I intend to do. :)  I feel like the object of 
>|voyuerist lust.  I'm feeling rather drained and demure
>|just now so I will have to flirt when the spirit moves me.
>
>   (snicker)
>
>   A warning, though; I'm starting to feel like my emotional plate
>is rather full, so I'd not give you good odds that a casual
>intermittent seduction attempt will work.  (Plus, if you've noticed
>from public commentary, I don't like falling into situations
>without massive amounts of communication, and will bail out at the
>drop of a dime if I start feeling stressed.)
>
Understood.  But hey a guy can flirt can't he.  And when you issue me a
challenge like that I cannot refuse.  :)  Seriously Alles klar.  I
understand where you are coming from in the other thread.

>|>   david parsons \bi/ who's being distressingly honorable this month.
>|Jim, who's month suddenly turned around last night. :)
>
>   So, are you gonna post details?  Or will we have to make things
>up, and (smiling lazily) post them for you?
>
"The only thing worse than being talked about 
is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde.

BTW, this has nothing to do with Zoe's post.  I know that story too
but as she my lips are sealed.

I won't say much, but I will quote one of the participants.
"Look over there.  That's my girlfriend making out with two of my
good friends."
:)
I was a friend.  :)
>                 ____
>   david parsons \bi/  "Okay, so I'm a bit of an exhibitionist"
>                  \/
Jim "who needs e I'm just a slut" Dilmore.
who also thinks that Kitchens of Distinction are awsome and
Frank Zappa is ABSOLUTELY off of his rocker.

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
If you can't be good,               It just means use your imagination. 
be good at it.  T.B.                     Billy Bragg