From: x73rl@ll.mit.edu ( Rick Lafave)
Subject: Re: Abortion is a SIN
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:01:00 GMT

>achobbs@eos.ncsu.edu (ASHTON CALDWELL HOBBS) writes:

Assuming this isn't flame bait, let me add a thought or two.
(Pls note: I leave the God = He argument for another day)

>Abortion is a SIN no matter how you look at it.

This isn't true.  If I view the 'it' as a non-life, then I don't view 
abortion as a sin.  
  OK its a dry start but bear with me....

>If a woman is ready to get in bed, then she is ready
>to take responsability and to give life.  I know you're
>saying, "What about rape and incest."  Well, rape and incest
>are horrible things, but everything happens according to
>HIS will and by killing that baby you are interfering with
>HIS plan.  

  Since I seriouly doubt that many women make such a decision lightly 
perhaps *HIS* will is for the womans growth that is bound to come from 
making such a difficult decision.  Are you assuming *HIS* will is what you 
expect it to be?  Are you assuming HE would not want 'it' to die?  Are you 
assuming that the omnipotent HE could have plans that are thwarted by us?
Are you assuming that rape and incest are part of HIS plan but abortion is 
not?  None of these are valid assumptions.  And on a non-religious note:
  Don't you have enough shit happening in your own life that you get to
dictate morality to others.  I'm so busy trying to keep my own ass in line, 
(the devil sees fit to tempt me ALOT  ;-) ) that I really don't have time 
for that kind of crap.  Yes I'm pro-life, but I neither condemn nor condone 
what any particular women chooses to do with her pregnancy.  That is 
between her and her conscience, and HIM if HE exists.  Doesn't it say 
somewhere in the BIG BOOK don't judge others least yea be judged?
  I believe its truly a difficult question, and women don't need this kind 
of pressure to top it all off.  I am grateful I'm male and will never have 
to confront that decision.

>One of the 27,000,000 babies that have been aborted
>in the last 25 years could possibly have been the scientist
>that discovered a cure for AIDS or for the common cold.  

So are you saying this is or isn't part of HIS plan?  

>                                                         They 
>could have been the next President of the United States, because
>Clinton and Gore are against everything the Bible stands for.

Thanks for the new info, I wasn't aware of that.  :-S   And no I didn't
vote for him.

>The Bible also says that thou shalt not kill, and aborting a fetus
>is the death of a human.  

See above.  

>                           For those of you that don't attend
>Church (Democrats in other words)

I'm really tempted, but...  well ok!  Its those damn godless democrats 
again.  I just thank my lucky stars that the re-pube-lickers are there
to force 'family values' down my throat.

>                                 , God instructs us to take life for
>life.  Therefore, for a woman aborting a fetus, why is her life
>not forfeit.  

Geeez I'm really confused...  I thought I wasn't supposed to kill. Am I
supposed to or not?  I don't believe the commandment has any sub-paragraphs 
or sections dealing with *its ok to kill her if she had an abortion*.  You 
reading the same commandment I am?  Mine says 'Thou shalt not kill'.  Does 
yours have more than four words?

>Women say they have a right to choose, do they have the
>right to use drugs, do they have the right to commit suicide?
>All of these things are prohibited by law, so why is a woman allowed 
>to kill a life inside her when she cannot even cut a limb off
>without being committed by the State.  I say a woman has the right 
>to choose, the right to choose whether or not to have sex.
>This is not coming from some hard-core preacher, but from
>a freshman and NC State University.

IMO you've got a lot of real world growing up to do.

P.S.  I think you meant *freshman at NC State University.  Or do you speak 
for God and NC State?             ^^

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