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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Dallas *ices* the 49'ers (or not?)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:45:59 GMT

THE TRADE:  Charles Haley of the 49'ers to Dallas for a #2 pick and a
conditional pick.  The #2 pick next year is guaranteed, and the 49'ers
have the option of swapping #1 and #3 picks in 1993.  If they do not
exercise this option, they will receive the Cowboy's #3 selection in
1994.  No first found pick is involved outright (the 49'ers will not
get a #1 without giving up a #1).

THE STATS: LB/DE extrordinaire, former defensive MVP (1990), 3 time
probowler, 49'ers sack leader last season (tied), 2nd among sackers in
the past 3 years (33.5 behind R.White's 41).  16 sacks in 1990.

THE PLAYER: Described by some as the best defensive player on the
49'ers.  Others say that the defense is built around him, a hybrid
DE/LB who rushes the passes with reckless abandon and can "make things
happen" including blocking kicks on special teams.  On the down side,
he has been a complainer in the past season and it might have affected
his play. Or maybe not... He has an attitude and has been described as
unstable after yelling at Steve Young in the locker room for throwing
2 int's.  Wants to be a Cowboy.

BEST CASE:  Haley has not lost his 1990 form and just needs a change
of scenery.  Will play DE and outside linebacker on passing downs and
will have 10-14 sacks while improving the Cowboys secondary
tremendously. Will replace Jeffcoat on passing downs, and will play
for Norton some of the time.  Norton will back up Jones in the middle.

WORST CASE:  the rumored rotator cuff surgery during the off season is
true and Dallas has been stuck with the same trade that gave them
Danny Stubbs and Terrence Flagler.  The rotator cuff (whether operated
on or not) has not healed and he will be out of football in 6 months
after 4 months on the IR.  His drop in production is a trend.  He
brings dissension and divisiveness (<== got this word from the
political campaigns) to the team and destroy the young teams unity.

OTHER NOTES:  Dallas traded Gary Lewis to Tampa for an undisclosed
draft pick to make room for Haley.  I think it is a great pick, and
that he will be quite a player for the Cowboys.  I hope he plays on
Friday against the Bears.  What does this mean for a team already deep
at DL?  I doubt that they will keep 9 DL AND 6 LB, so one of the
following is probably gone:

Hennings, Hill, Noonan, Lett or Edwards.  Either that or one of the DB's
(much less likely).  Of those, Noonan can still be traded (my personal
pick), as can Hennings (not for a whole lot though).  Dropping Hill is
also a strong possibility, although I would hate to see it.

Comments?
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 22:16:27 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Courtney Hawkins info wanted???

 How were his pre-season stats???  Will he be starting this year???  If not,
where does he stand in relation to Carrier,  Dawsey,  and Jennings??  Any and
All information would greatly be appreciated!!!  Thanks
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.201817.7178@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
>>Hilgenberg Update
>>-----------------
>
>>The trade is done, according to WGN - Chicago and WKNR - Cleveland,
>>Jay Hilgenberg to Cleveland for a conditional 4th round draft choice in 1993.
>
>>If Hilgenberg plays at his previous performance level,
>>the 4th round pick changes to a 2nd round pick. There are no details what
>>"previous performance level" is defined as.
>
>AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Just what the Bears need - to get rid of a proven offensive
>lineman.  I sure hope Jerry Fontenot can handle the job full-
>time...
>
>A "conditional fourth round pick" for a Pro-Bowl center?  I would
>have hoped for more.

Yeah, that certainly sounds a bargain for Cleveland. Is there a problem
with Hilgenberg? Old, fat, injured, that sort of thing? Or is Ditka having
a firesale before closing down...

The Wisp.

GO SKINS!
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From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Weekly spoiler picks
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:53:05 GMT


   In the grand tradition of people embarassing themselves with
silly predictions on r.s.f.p, I offer (for later consumption),
this weeks picks against the "line".

                    WEEK1 

Detroit Lions        over   Chicago Bears
NewYork Jets         over   Atlanta Falcons
Phoenix Cardinals    over   TampaBay Buccaneers
LosAngeles Raiders   over   Denver Broncos
Dallas Cowboys       over   Washington Redskins

   This week's guiding principle is to pick the flashy offense
on opening day.  This will be the best time to take advantage
of defenses which haven't jelled yet.  Later on in the season,
a number of these picks would go the other way.

TJ
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Icky Woods
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:02:51 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Whatever happened to Icky Woods?

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
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Subject: Michael Irvin's Contract
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.4SEP199213074004
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Michael Irvin signed a 3 year contract worth a reported 3.7 million
dollars, FINALLY.  Now I might make it through the game Monday night without
having a coronary!  :)

GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!

(The above is according to CNN Headline News.) 

________________________________________________________________________________

                                 -SPEED RACER-                    
                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				   WHOOP!!!!

John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Sommerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Dolphins waive Shawn Lee
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:45:19 GMT


From out here I thought that Shawn Lee was at least in the running for
the starting nose job.  Now I see his name on the waived list.

Does this mean that Alfred "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" Oglesby is the
starter?  And Klingbeil the backup?

Jus' wonderin'.


--Gidi



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From: jain@bartok.CES.CWRU.Edu (Ashish Jain)
Subject: Re: SF Backs
Reply-To: jain@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, CWRU, Cleveland OH.
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:50:36


Take it to Vegas. Whinner's 6-10. 
--
Ashish Jain
jain@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
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From: baskins@csd475a.erim.org (Bob Baskins)
Subject: Motown News
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:09:24


I was listening to a Detroit sports talk show last week (Mitch Albom
on WLLZ) and the guest on the show was former Lion great Lem Barney.
During the show, a caller asked Lem if it was true that he used to sing
background vocals for Marvin Gaye.  Mitch Albom and his cohost laughed,
but Lem said yes, it was true, he did in fact sing with Marvin Gaye!

He went on to relate that he, Mel Farr (former Lions running back), and
Marvin Gaye were all good friends and pal-ed around together in Detroit.
One day back in the summer of '69 (I think), Marvin invited Lem and Mel
into the Motown studios to sit-in on a recording session.  During that
session, they recorded the song "What's Goin On".   The background vocals
(the guy's answering back "what's goin on" to Marvin's lead) are Lem Barney
and Mel Farr!  They both actually won Gold Records for their efforts
(in fact, Lem said that he has two Gold Records, but I forgot what song
the other one was for).

After this success, Marvin Gaye began working out with Lem and Mel in
order to try out for the Lions.  Lem joked that Marvin wanted to show
them he could play football as well as they could sing.  I don't remember
what Lem said about Marving Gayes actual tryout with the Lions, though.

 
 
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: 49ers: Haley traded
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.182815.101@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.134613.18884@bnr.ca>, emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.055736.1305@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>>|>The 49ers dumped Charles Haley on the Dallas Cowboys today. I guess they
>>|>were finally fed up with babying him.

>>   Maybe you can shed some light on this trade.   WHY?  WHY?
>>   Why would the niners trade or dump a proven pass rusher
>>    like Haley?   Is he damaged goods?   Is this another Stubbs/
>>    Flagler trade where the Cowboys got nothing............WHY?

>Basically Haley was a pain-in-the-ass for the 49ers. He had a lot of
>off-the-field problems, he had trouble getting along with his own
>teammates, he whined a lot, etc, etc. The 49ers have a history of
>not putting up with such crap (cf: Tim McKyer). In addition, Haley is
>recovering from surgery on his knee and shoulder, and who knows what
>kind of shape he will be in.

Bob did a pretty good job at summing it all up here. Personally, I
think the one of the major reason why the 49ers dumped him was
because he is basically physically beat up. The guy has had history
of knee problems, and now his shoulder has seen some major surgery.
His SERIOUSLY bad attitude has a lot to do with it too! You people
in Dallas will soon find out what a ball it is to have Charles on
your team.
IMO, Haley will probably see more sideline duty then anything.
Being that Haley is almost always double teamed now, lineman love to
cut block him, and the Cowboys play on astro turf, its just a matter
of time before Haley gets his knee blown out. His style of play
involving quick cuts will invite such injuries. Playing 8 games on
astro turf will only increase these chances.  I feel that Charles
has already peaked in his career. We'll just have to wait and
see if this is true!

>To quote the Chronicle, this is a perfect example of "addition by subtraction".

Considering that the 49ers probably have about the best defensive
line in football, and they are only improving in depth, Charles
won't be missed as much as one might think. The 49ers defense will
survive!

                                                      Tony
                                                   GO 49ERS!!!
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From: johndoe@spock.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: games changing in history, question??
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<DMERCER.92Sep3141647@ap1pyr.oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:08:16 GMT

In article <DMERCER.92Sep3141647@ap1pyr.oracle.com> dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer) writes:

In article <9209021340.AA06380@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk.cwm01> coombes@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes) writes:
>So apart from the obvious fact that having the Pats visit town
>is a potentially rather hazardous exercise, does any one remember 
>any other game time or venue changes, especially this late in the 
>year???.

the world series has had a role in changing game times and venues in recent
history on at least two occaisions:

in 1987, a vikings-broncos game was switched from sunday to monday to
accomodate a twins game in the metrodome on sunday.  this is the only time i
ever recall two nfl games being played on monday night.  (of course, this
shift was partially necessitated by the strike and the fact that all games
of weeks 4-16 were shifted to be one week later to fit in as many games as
possible before the playoffs.)  (as well as week 3 being completely
cancelled.)

in 1990, i believe the houston-cincinnati series did the double-shift (early
season game in cincinnati moved to houston, late-season game in houston
switched to cincinnati) to allow the reds to play either an nl playoff game
or a world series game at riverfront.
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:42:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug26.180354.924@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>>
>   He's not a Cowboy basher, he just knows football. TEs that can catch are
>   a dime a dozen. It's all how they're used in the offense. Put Packer
>   backup Jackie Harris in Dallas and he'd be a Pro-Bowler too.

That's nothing.  Put any of the Oilers' TEs in for Novacek and they'd be in the
Hall of Fame. :-) :-) :-)

(For those of you who don't get the joke, the Oilers don't have any TEs on the
roster, because of their Run-and-Shoot-and-Kill-the-Pokes offense.)
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From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Subject: Super Bowl change     
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:44:57 GMT

   I'm new to the net, so y'all may have already covered this.
   However, I'm  interested in finding out how many people would
   favor changing the SUPER BOWL from a one-game event to a best
   of 2 out of 3?

   I think baseball gets a lot of milage in it's world series 
   playoff.  I would like to see the NFL try it.  Plus, I think
   this would help prevent a really good team getting shot out of
   the saddle just because they are having ONE lousy game.  Would
   tend to make the suspense last a little longer.

   Look, let's face it - I really do think this is a good idea, 
   but I'm a die hard Denver fan - and I think we're going to need
   more than just one shot this year...   Dan
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er business
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:57:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

> And even though Joe seems to be acting somewhat childish (deciding not to
> suit up against Seattle; demanding to be let out of his contract for next
> year) and his elbow appears to have a stronghold on the end of his carreer,
> the Niners have nothing to lose business-wise, at this point, by keeping
> him around (unless Joe decides he *absolutely* wants out).

I think he's entitled to be a bit of a pain on this.  Joe has *never* held
out for more money, skipped the strikes and has given of himself tenfold to
the Niners.  It could be argued that they wouldn't be where they are if it
were not for Joe.  So, he finally get's a little miffed.  He's a right to. 


Why? 

Look at it from his perspective.  Ronnie Lott was launched as soon as they
thought his career was over.  They let Waymer go.  They let Syndey go. 
They have told Joe that even if he's healthy, Steve Young is the starter. 
So, basically, they have put Joe out to pasture.

And after they kissed Jerry Rice's butt to get him back, this is sort of a
slap in the face of Montana.  

So, they have a unique opportunity to screw up again and let their best
player go.  They'll probably do it.  I never thought I'd see Ronnie Lott
go...

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Bucs coach
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:23:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.205105.9239@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>
>Does anyone know who the new coach of Tampa Bay is? Not that it will make
>a whole lot of difference.
>

	Sam Wyche (sp?) ex head coach of Cincinnati....

	Mark

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: ESPN - Young - Bono
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:36:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.123908.4674@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>In article <0095FC40.3E55BAC0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>Hi there
>>--------
>>
>>Last night in their breakdown segment ESPN made an
>>interesting comparison between Steve & Steve.
>>There was a remark that the players 'liked Young
>>more than Bono' . They also said (the usual
>>complaint) that Young is more inclined to run (he
>>could be a running back for SF) and hence
>>creates confusion. 
>
>Now there's and idea.  Give Young the number 28 and
>line him up as back behind Bono.  Just kidding.
>I do think that Seifert made the right descision by
>starting Young.  He is the better QB.
>
>
I don't think sooooo!  All the stats between Bono and Young,
favor Bono.  In addition, the players prefer Bono because he
stays in the pocket, whereas Young, the line never knows what
he will do.  Case in point, Young's run up the middle for
a 11 yard TD recently.  No one knew what was going on except for
Young.  Yes, he scored, but he will have his head knocked off by 
a linebacker or corner before the season is over.  Young is not
disciplined enough for the Niner's type of ball handling and
play calling.

-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Did Kerwin Bell make the Jets?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:52:55 GMT

In article <j.m.crant.1.7.0@nd.edu> j.m.crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant) writes:
>I haven't seen Kerwin Bell's (QB) name on any of the Jets recent cut 
>lists.  So either he made the team or got the boot early in the preseason.  
>Anyone know the answer?

You must have missed it.  He was among the cuts that brought the team to 60, I believe.
And they dumped Troy Taylor too.  I always thought he was a pretty good QB, but
boy is he stupid.  He held out for half the pre-season when Coslet made it
clear that he liked Eddie Blake (6th round pick) better as the 3rd string qb this
year.  The he finally signed a contract, but it haad a clause stating that he
would get nothing if he didn't make the team.  I hope he has a job lined up.

Jason Gische

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/ hpcc01:rec.sport.football.pro / chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis) /  8:55 am  Sep  2, 1992 /
> Could anyone tell me if Seahawk WR Brian Blades has signed yet
> or if he figures to play this week? I appreciate the info.

> -chip

I read in this morning's (Thursday) paper that he just signed.

No idea whether he'll be playing this week or not . . .

Jim Privat
jimp@hpssl40.mayfield.hp.com
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: 49ers:Haley traded
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 05:57:36 GMT

The 49ers dumped Charles Haley on the Dallas Cowboys today. I guess they
were finally fed up with babying him. The details were unclear, but there
are conditional draft choices involved, possibly a first-round pick
in 1993 (assuming there is a draft next year).

In other news, Joe Montana threw about 15 passes today and said he felt
OK. It wasn't stated how far or how hard he threw, but I suspect they
were just very short tosses. It's extremely unlikely he will play
in Friday night's game.

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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Raiders Starting QB?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:03:50 GMT

jgould@adobe.com (Jim Gould) writes:
>Jay, Al doesn't want to admit he traded away the NFL's premier OL.


People forget that Al got "The NFLs premier OL" from San Diego for 
practically nothing: McCallum, Clay and another cut player for the sole
purpose of using him as trade bait for Schroeder. He had no intention of 
keeping him. Although the Raiders would have been better off if they had 
kept him and groomed Beuerlein (IMHO). In fact LAchey had asked to be 
traded to an East Coast team when he was at odds with the Chargers so he 
could be nearer to his family. Methinks Al made him a deal he couldnt refuse.

Charger conspiracy theorists still think Ortmeyer helped orchestrate the
whole affair.


Plata.
From: arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM (Art Hebert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Opening day odds
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:09:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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 If anyone knows the odds for opening day could they post them?

 Thanks

 art
From: steves@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Schunzel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Micheal Irvin signing?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug26.163047.13589
Organization: Western Washington University

I have just heard that Micheal Irvin of the Cowboys recently signed. 
Could anybody tell me if it's true or not.  And if not, hows the
negotiations coming?

Thanks,
Steve