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From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: A bad day fishing...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:38:39 GMT

In article <Oct15.021843.82722@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>I spent one summer in Boston. I had fun freshwater fishing, but was dismayed at the fishing at Cape Cod. Way overdeveloped, and never really caught anything.
>I did have a friend who said that bluefish can be fun in the harbor, but
>he wouldn't eat any because of the pollution. When I went to the harbor I
>understood better -- you could see the toxic s**t floating on the water! And
>I thought Galveston Bay was bad......
>
>I would suspect that with the development (and the subsequent pollution)
>as well as the shhhhhhhhhhtuff :-) from the harbor, yeah, it would hurt the
>fishing.
>
Although I no longer fish as close to Boston Harbor as I used to, I can
remember when the fishing on its outer edges was superb -- perhaps a dozen
years ago. I could always count on some large flounder and harbor pollock.
I also caught black sea bass and an occasional cod. As a bonus I would often
catch cunners (known as a small, bait-stealing fish) of a size quite large
enough to keep and eat. Most fish at the time seemed in good health and did
not display the fin rot and discoloration that has been reported lately.
They certainly tasted sweet!

Whatever can be said of Boston Harbor *cannot* be said of the waters surrounding
Cape Cod. The Cape's overdevelopment is largely residential and non-industrial
commercial (shopping centers, motels, miniature golf). Despite this, I find
its waters generally clean, supporting a wide variety of marine and aquatic
fish and shellfish. I also find it easy to escape the crowds, but I can
also understand why many folks consider the Cape a crowded, built-up, touristy,
traffic-snarled peninsula. It's fine with me if that perception keeps people 
away!

I believe that the scarcity of some fish species there is due to commercial
overfishing, as in the case of the no-longer-abundant cod, flounder, and
tautog. I am still able to catch enough blue crabs (and other kinds, too) there
to eat crabmeat from June through August. There are even areas, believe it or
not, where one can gather shellfish and eat 'em raw! I've had many a snack
of razor clams on the beach. This is not to say that pollution isn't a 
problem -- it's a problem everywhere. It's just nowhere near as severe on
Cape Cod as it is in Boston Harbor. This too, could change, if the proposed
sewage treatment outfall pipe is constructed. It would dump sewage into
Massachusetts Bay, thereby threatening Cape Cod Bay.

I do wish the fishing were like it once was, or at least better than it is.
Can anyone tell me an area of the country with a temperate climate that does
have consistently good saltwater fishing? 

Bruce Smith
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:08:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <Bvr9ED.IC5@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.bell.ca writes:
>The only thing I don't like about the AA group is that they are "more" 
>protective of "cute" deers over other animals, say cows. I don't hunt
>myself but I don't see any difference if you kill a deer for food or a
>cow.

The difference is that the cow lives a monotonous life of imprisonment
while the deer lives a wild natural life.  Both are killed in the end.
Now I ask you, which is more humane?

We could take down all the fences and reintroduce buffalo to the praries,
but the banks probably wouldn't want to finance the venture.  It also
reeks of socialism, very taboo.  Zealous advocacy for the rights of
anthorpomorphized individual wild creatures, on the other hand, has all
the ingrediants this culture cherishes including respect for individual
rights (even beyond the broader social welfare) and christian sentiments.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Animal fur hats
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:31:44 GMT


For ice-fishing a friend has recommended that I buy an animal fur hat similar
to the kind worn in the former Soviet Union during the winter. Perhaps you know
the kind of hat I'm taking about and where I can send away for one?  I can't
seem to find them in the standard Cabela's, L.L. Bean, Campmore, catalogs.

Thanks,

Frank Kruppenbacher
Rochester Institute of Technology
FAK9957@RITVAX


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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Steelhead in Indiana
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:53:31 GMT

Just a little trip report.  The Lake Michigan feeder streams in Indiana 
have good numbers of fish in them.  Right now the king salmon outnumber
the Skamania steelhead and cohos.  At Trail Creek, the fishing was not
too good as I just missed a large run of Kings a couple of days earlier.
However, I did manage landing six kings, two Skamania and one coho, and
lost several.  All my fish were taken on spoons or mepps spinners.  Most
people were fishing fresh spawn or nightcrawlers and not catching much.

Roger

Work is for people who don't fish.
From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Magazines
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:33:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Big Yellow Box
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Oct10.162727.23721@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes...
>>    F I E L D   A N D   S T R E A M  : although 'roung hunting season they

    I've subscribed to a number of fishing and outdoor magazines on and off. 
    The only one I've kept a nearly continuous subscription to is In-Fisherman.
    I think this is the best all-around fishing magazine and would definitley 
    recommend for anybody.

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From: colletwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: FISH STORY - BUMMER!
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:26:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Oct15.012637.1776
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

The following is based on a true story. 

Some of the crazy'st things happen when your fishing.  Case in point: 
One early morning last September me and my brother-in-law got up early to go 
fishing.  The weather was awful (perfect for fishing) so we packed along the 
traditional cooler full of Busch Lite Draft.  We headed down the small river
connected to our lake.  We ran into a beaver dam about 10 minutes down the 
river.  We let the boat rest along side the dam and cracked open our beers.
I figured we pull the boat over the dam and continue on our journey after we'd
finished our beer's.  NOT!  Buzz casted for the far side of the river and on
got a strike right off the bat.  It was like the fish was just sitting there
watching his lure fly into his mouth.  I couldn't believe it.  I immediately
put my beer down and grabbed my pole.  
   ( you must understand that our lake, Tamarack in Northern Minnesota, wasn't
     noted thru the years as being a good northern pike lake, as well as a good
     lake for fishing.)
Anywaise, the fish were byte'n like Barq's rootbeer.  2 minutes later we were 
both searching for a stringer.  To our dismay, all we had was a little sun-fish
stringer (you know the one's made of nylon with the little brass ring at the
one end and a spike at the other) that was 2 fk-n feet long.  Boom Boom Boom,
We ended up nailing 7 northern's in the 2-8lb. range.  Not a single snake like
The one's I usually catch.  
This all occured in a matter of 5 minutes.
Then the action ceased.  It didn't matter to me and Buzz.  We stayed in the
area and pounded down our beer in celebration of the best fishing voyage ever.
After the beer was downed we decided to head back to the cabin to get some 
breakfast.  My mom's always a great cook at the cabin.  
I turned my back to buzz to start the motor.  Just as I looked back he was
lifting up the stringer.  It was empty.


P.S.  My mom didn't even believe us.  
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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.223722.13307@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
|> >> ..... detect a snag and break the line so others can fish.
|> 
|> > I'm not sure why you think this is a good thing.  I would rather
|> > see people land the fish and release it in a proper way .....
|> 
I can see you point and it makes sense in some situations. However, when I am
chinook fishing, and I can detect a snag, I try to break off. I'm down at 4 or 
6lb line at the at the hook. Most often, a snag gets loose as the hook comes 
out, sometimes the line breaks but no line is left on the fish. Other times,
6" or so is left on the fish. Why do I break off? If I tried to land a snagged
chinook, it would take 20-30 minuites as it is harder to control and fight a
snagged fish. 20 other fishermen would be yelling at me, plus I heard of people
being fined for beaching a snagged chinook.

The ones who are out to snag have 20lb florescent line out and are set up to 
snagg (no float, treble hook, sinker weight). I don't see why I should stand
and watch these people fight fish when they are fishing "illegally" in the 
first place. This type of snagging puts large gashes into chinooks because
of the heavy rigging.

-- 
Richard Park	
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From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:25:25 GMT

The only thing I don't like about the AA group is that they are "more" 
protective of "cute" deers over other animals, say cows. I don't hunt
myself but I don't see any difference if you kill a deer for food or a
cow.

If these people started to show up on the rivers, I don't know what would
happen. Alot of the fisherman are big boys. Would it be possible to lay
harrassment charges on them???
-- 
Richard Park	
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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Deschutes Oregon Report (10/11/92)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:18:13 GMT

Finally made it over to the Deschutes river this year to try some summer
steelhead fly fishing.   If a single river had to be picked as the #1
steelhead and #1 trout river in Oregon, the Deschutes would probably win.
The steep canyon walls and the river itself are also quite a sight.

I arrived by mid-afternoon Saturday - no clouds in the sky and mid 70's.
Driving upriver from Maupin, every likely steelhead lie (i.e., steelhead
holding water) seemed to be occupied by a fly fisherman.  Driving downstream
from Maupin to Mack's Canyon, the same deal.   I finally spotted what
seemed like a good run of lie's and hiked down, only to discover a fisherman
working the run.  After determining the other anglers intent (I was yelled
at for intruding), I settled in several hundred yards upstream.

Using a sink-tip line on a #6 rod, and a #6 freight-train fly, I
methodically waded downstream six inches at a time, casting quarter
downstream and letting the fly swing, either streamer or greased-line
style.   At the end of each swing, I was sure to let the fly hang awhile
before stripping and eventually casting again.   Many times, the steelhead
will follow on the swing, and hit on the hang-down if you give them a
chance.

As I worked, it was obvious a good midge (!), mayfly, and caddis hatch was
underway, and the trout were rising.   Despite the trout opportunity, I
stuck to steelheading.   After an hour, I finally stung a steelhead.  The
Steelhead had followed the swing and was waiting on the hang-down when I
gave a 6 inch strip - I could see the water surge as s/he hit.  Though the
line tightened for a second and his/her head popped out of the water,
s/he quickly exited by doing a double jump downstream - close!  Of the
5 other fly fisherman around me, I saw one steelhead hooked and played
for awhile.

Getting up at 5:00am the next day, I walked to the same stretch of water
in darkness ready to try again.   Not surprisingly, the other 5 fisherman
were also present ready to work their stretches again - hardcore !!!
Doing basically the same, I had my line popped hard once, but whatever
it was didn't stick.  Across river and upstream, one fly fisherman finally
landed a ~5lb steelhead - a typical Deschutes steelhead-type unit.  Again,
the trout seemed very active.  I worked other parts of the river without
luck.

As I left, ODF&W has setup an angling check station near Shear's Fall.
The story seemed to be: steelheading has been toggling between hot
and very cold.

Maybe next month - then again, the next rain should bring lots of Salmon
into the coastal streams.   In one small coastal river already, 300 silver
salmon per hour were counted during several hours when a one day rain hit.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Magazines
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:33:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: sniff.6726
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <AepN9Gq00iUxQ1YdtK@andrew.cmu.edu> ns05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nick Stratigos) writes:
>I'm a new fisherman.  My wife bought me a rod and reel for my birthday. 
>I have yet to catch a fish.  I think the rod is defective.
>
>Her sister has promised me a subscription to a fishing magazine.  But I
>don't know any.  Can you suggest your favorite so I can choose?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mostly, I fish in the rivers aroud Pittsburgh and in some lakes up
>around Franklin, PA.
>
>Nick "I won't stop 'til I catch a fish"


Nick,

    It's definatly a defective rod    =)


    F I E L D   A N D   S T R E A M  : although 'roung hunting season they
				       tend to get distracted  ;)  they have
				       a variety of articals from bass to
				       trout   bait to flys  salt
				       (sometimes) etc.  'Tips Tips' (tm)
				       and a 'regional section' (north
				       east).  I've had my perscription -
				       ahem - SUBscription for eight years

--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Re: shing Magazines
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:05:11 GMT

The 'In Fisherman' is one of the best you will find.
 
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From: patvh@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Patrick Vanhoomissen)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Waders Repair
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:04:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <Oct07.175238.11780@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>My trusty Red Ball light-weight (coated nylon?) waders have finally
>split a seam, after several years use.  The split is only about half
>an inch.  Anybody know how to fix this?  I thought of just gluing

RTV and hundred-mile-an-hour tape?

I have an unrelated question. A fellow here is selling an LCI rod
7 1/2' line wt. 10-20, lure wt. 3/8-4 oz! It is very tapered, and 
fast I suppose. Would this make a good rod for throwing blades?
Probably not great for bobber (cork) fishing huh? Will it handle
a big hog? It is one piece. Will it do for drift fishing?
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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: fyi: Oregon Trout Alert, Salmon Council Plan
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:51:27 GMT

> The most critical issues concern protection for standing trees in
> riparian areas.

One of our club members attended the public discussion on riparian zone
protection.  As I understand, there are currently 3 categories of protection
based on stream type requiring 25, 50, and 100 feet protection zones.
Evidently, the logging industry wants to do away with ALL protection for
cut-zones that occur on the Northern side of a stream - they argue shade is
the major reason trees should be left, and that trees on the northside of a
stream don't help.

With bullshit logic like that, no wonder environmentalist are having fits.

Our club member also said attendance was almost all timber owners and
that he may have been the only fisherman in attendance.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Waders Repair
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:44:13 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Oct07.175238.11780@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>My trusty Red Ball light-weight (coated nylon?) waders have finally
>split a seam, after several years use.  The split is only about half
>an inch.  Anybody know how to fix this?  I thought of just gluing
>it with the glue they supplied with the waders for applying patches,
>but that doesn't seem likely to hold.
 
I've heard that "Shoe Goo"[tm] is supposed to work well for these kind of
waders.

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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Walleye
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:18:45 GMT

Are there any walleye  fishermen (or ladies) out there?
If there are what are your favorite lakes and techniques?
 
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From: ecg@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward C. Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:02:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	This is my first year fishing for steelhead in Lake Erie but
I've been pretty successful (and have been keeping my eyes open) so
I'll risk embarrasing myself and offer a few suggestions.  During the
summer, open water trolling for walleye will hit the rare steelhead but
at this time of year, the steelhead will be stacking up by rivermouths
preparing to begin their run.  I've seen a fair number of boats trolling
in and around rivermouths without much success while the guys bankfishing
have been doing quite well.  Ohio stocks fingerlings in several major
rivers feeding lake Erie so you'll need to identify which rivers in your
area have been stocked since the steelhead (supposedly) will return to
their origin.  East of Cleveland the Grand and Chagrin rivers are both
excellent producers and offer relatively ease access to both boats or
bank fishermen.  Personally, I recommend the Grand river and fishing
off the "short wall" on the east side of the rivermouth in Fairport
Harbor.  People have been successful casting spoons (little Cleo seems
to be a favorite) or spinners from the breakwall and the classic 
maggots on a black jig or plain hook have been good producers.  Soon
the steelhead will start moving upriver but I'm told that good fishing
can still be had off the short wall through December.  I've been using
a #6 steelhead hook coated with 5 or 6 maggots about 5 feet under a
light stick bobber, unweighted.  Even the big steelhead are extremely
delicate biters and will fuss with your bait for a bit before committing
and it seems that a weighted line puts them off.  You need a light bobber
because they'll rarely just grab and go so as soon as your bobber actually
flips up give a nice snappy hook set and sit back for a hell of a great
fight.  Most people use small diameter 6 pound test (due to the shy biting)
so you'll need to set your drag kind of light.  I lost two fine fish when
(seemingly tired out, Ha) they did a 180 powerdive and POW went my Trilene
XL.
	I hope this helps...

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Molecular Biologist to the Stars!