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From: bdsm@fermat.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Re: mathmagic
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:38:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <8969.2ADDCE51@puddle.fidonet.org>, 
Iain.Llewellyn@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Llewellyn) writes:
|> Hi,
|>    I am interested in this mathmagic, but do not know very much about 
|>    it at all. Would someone be kind enough to "tell"me what it is     
|>    and/or what it does ? Is it something that can be used at school? 
|>    I would appreciate a reply.
|>                            In curiosity, 
|>                                          Iain Llewellyn
|> 
|> 
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I would very much like this information, too.
                           

Thanks,

Billy Don Sterling Mc Connell
    (just call me "DON")
From: Grover.Partee@f58.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Grover Partee)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: Memorizing Multiplication
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 12:52:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/58 - Silver Lake, Everett WA

RT>One type of error which I hear my students say is "...times two by three...".
RT>The meaning of times is:  'multiplied by'. Hence, the above phrase would be
RT>interpreted : "two multiplied by by three", which does not sound
RT>grammatically correct.

It doesn't sound correct because it isn't! :)  But then neither is a
direct substitution; to wit: "multipled by two by three."  Neither is
"Multiplied two by three..." quite what we had in mind.  The problem
here is, perhaps, the use of "times" at all.

One of the strengths of our modern educational system is also a source
of some of its worst failures.  Specialization assures math teachers
(for example) know more about math and are presumably better able to
teach it than teachers in the past who had to teach math and science
and languages and history and ....  The downside is that many math
(and science) teachers have poor language skills personally and do a
very poor job of teaching such skills.  Specialization allows us to
argue "It's not my job."  (Or, perhaps, "It ain't my job!")  But what
such teachers may be teaching their students is that language skills
are unimportant. (The English teachers who make simple addition errors
scoring tests are, of course, giving their students the converse
message.)  Teaching the "times tables" because it's easier than
teaching the "multiplication tables" is a short-cut we should,
perhaps, avoid.  We don't, after all, teach the "less tables" or the
"into tables."  (At least I don't think we do.  We didn't.  I've been
a refugee from teaching for 20 years now but I've not heard any
mention of such tables.)

Without the second "by," we could say "times two by three" means
"multiplied by two, three..." There is one possible advantage to this
formulation.  "Multiplied by two, three" can perhaps lead more easily
to "multiply (two, three);" thence to the commutative aspect of
multiplication, that "multiply (two, three)" is equivalent to
"multiply (three, two);" thence to examination of other functions,
add(x,y), divide(x,y), subtract(x,y), etc., to see whether they are
commutative; thence to associativity; and so on into more complex
algebras.

IMHO, however, sacrificing language skills even to gain better math
skills is not acceptable.  Sacrificing language skills with no gain in
or possibly even a loss of math skills is reprehensible.


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Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
From: wdeal@nhgs.vak12ed.edu (Walter F. Deal)
Subject: Re: help - need formula
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Hampton)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:46:58 GMT


Sounds like an interesting problem.  Why not use computer
technology to help you with the solution?  There are several
math packages for the Mac and pc that have the capability to
solve this particular problem and many others.  One such
package is MathCAD for the Mac and pc.  Basically you just type
in the equation and presto!  There's your answer.  No anthem
necessary!

Walt Deal
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From: Connie.Merrill@f111.n213.z1.fidonet.org (Connie Merrill)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.math
Subject: HELP - NEED FORMULA
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 14:35:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:213/111 - The Daily Planet, Reno NV

I'm not sure how to solve that equation, but doesn't it have something to do with factoring out an X and then solving using the quadratic equation?


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From: Julie.Rosenoff@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Julie Rosenoff)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: RE: Hi there
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 15:45:25 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Hello, Gary!  You are the first person I've "talked" to on both iearn and
K12net.  Yes, I was really pleased to find out how to access K12Net _free_ and 
have gotten a few of my kids to log on and play around.  I just don't feel
like I can afford to do that through Peacenet.

GC> As for your question about Point of View, I don't have any
GC> suggestions, but if you decide to upgrade, wait until after the
GC> first of the year because Scholastic is upgrading POV to 2.0 then
GC> for about $75. Maybe you should wait til then.

Actually what happened is I have already received Point of View _and_ History
in Motion laser disc.  But they couldn't send me the laser disc with the
linking program to make the two work together (the grant timeline ran out
before they had it in stock).  So I had to decide whether to spend an extra
$100 of my building budget on the links.  I didn't hear from anyone about it,
but made the decision to go ahead and do it.  

Last year I borrowed several different laser discs with stacks to try them out 
for 2 weeks at a time.  My students reacted so positively to this new media
that they could control that I went ahead and ordered the links.  Too bad that 
my Point of View is almost already out of date.  (I haven't even opened the
package yet--hope to find the time soon.)

GC> 
GC> I just got your not about the iearn.wasocst voting project you
GC> would like to do in the mail at school today. Yes, I will be doing
GC> something in my 8th grade US History classes this year and will
GC> help you out.

That's great!  I will be posting more info and sending people email to try and 
get the mock student elections coordinated.  I have several schools
cooperating, and I just talked to an alternative school in Coeur d'alene who
will have 3 government classes vote and send me the info.
I will post more details tonight or tomorrow on dates and issues.  Larry Dean
from Centralia High School told me about a mock election ballot that they're
going to use.  I just called to get a copy, so I'll look at that Monday and
finalize the ballot format.

Thanks for writing--talk to you soon!!
Julie Rosenoff
:)


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From: Gary.Cressman@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Cressman)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: veteran's day
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 20:14:08 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

I am in charge of this years Veteran's Day assembly in our Junior High
School.  In the past we have had a few kids get up and read some poems,
and give a brief overview of all the wars America has been in, and had 
the band or chorus play some appropriate songs. I would like to do 
something different, so the staff and kids don't see the same thing every
year.

I would like to hear from you if you have any ideas or suggestions. How 
does your school celebrate Veteran's Day??

Gary Cressman


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From: Julie.Rosenoff@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Julie Rosenoff)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: RE: POLITICAL POLL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:19:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Mike,
I found your letter re. voting very interesting and will pass it on  to my
high school classes:

you said:
How can the government increase the number of people voting ... ? It's rather
easy... just come to Australia and have a look.  You don't vote and you either
have to pay a fine or go to gaol. 

Thanks a lot!  I had no idea!
Julie rosenoff


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From: Chris.Rowan@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Rowan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: GVN participants as of 10/13/92
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:00:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

This is the Global Village News participants' list as of 10/13/92.
Please feel free to post your articles on Channel 11.  The topic for
this project period is "People in your Community."   I would
sincerely appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have about
this project.


Participant's Name           Location                   Grade Lvl
------------------|------------------------------------|---------
John Chisholm     |  Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada    | 6
Roberta Hawkins   |  Seattle, WA                       | 10-12
Cal Hauserman     |  Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada     | 4
Cindy Cole        |  Charlemont, MA                    | 6
Carol Hooper      |  El Paso, TX                       | 7-8
Zelma Gragg       |  El Paso, TX  (?)                  | 4-6
Tom Winn          |  FIr Island, WA                    | K-12
John Feltham      |  Townsville, Queensland, Australia | 8-12
Ann Bradford      |  Agawam, MA                        | 4
Jeff Benedict     |  Chimacum, WA                      | 9-12
Rebecca Mctainsh  |  Brighton, Otago, New Zealand      | 4-6
Phil Spooner      |  Gaston, OR                        | K-6
Nancy Bucher      |  Bonners Ferry, ID                 | 2-6
Lorna Kropp       |  Spokane, WA                       | 5-6
Dave Lehnis       |  Lacey, WA                         | 9
Diana Campbell    |  Bernardston, MA                   | 6
Deborah Roussell  |  Hatfield, MA                      | 6
Elliott Mitchell  |  Nashville, TN                     | post grad
Bob Anthony       |  North Sydney ,Cape Breton, Canada | 6
Jean Churchill    |  Easton, MA                        | 7
Janice Kibbe      |  Holyoke, MA                       | 4
Loretta Taylor    |  Bothell, WA                       | 5
Chris Rowan       |  Brownsville, TX                   | 6
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From: Barton.Bresnik@f725.n322.z1.fidonet.org (Barton Bresnik)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Re: Anne Frank Exhibit in Portland
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:34:46 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:322/725 - School Forum, Norton MA

Wish I could visit the Ann Frank exhibit, but Oregon is a bit
too far from MA. However, there is an excellent program on
teaching about racism and genocide, "Facing History and
Ourselves", which also provides guest speakers such as survivors
of the Hitler and Armenian Holocausts. (Perhaps they have even
updated to include the killing fields of Cambodia. ARE we doomed
to repeat our mistakes?)

 

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From: Julie.Rosenoff@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Julie Rosenoff)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: RE: News, News!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:42:36 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

                   THE SPOKESMAN-REVIEW      Monday, Oct 12, 1992
 
 
 
 
 
 
  1.    Columbus honored for bringing Christianity to Americans
 
  2.    Debate seen as unlikely to alter race.     (Presidential
          debate between Bush and Clinton)
 
  3.    New species of monkey discovered in Amazon.
 
 
 Jeren Herbel
 Julie Rosenoffs class
 Spokan Washington


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From: Julie.Rosenoff@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Julie Rosenoff)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: RE: News, News!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:26:55 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

Marjo, Tarja, and Anu,

i read your request:
 Please, if
you could send us three headline news of your local
newspapers in 12th October 1992 and reference
of them we would be very grateful. If you want we
could send you the reference of our project when
it is finished.

We would be glad to type up some headlines and send them to you through
K12Net.  But I don't understand what you mean when you say "and reference of
them" and that you would send us the "reference of our project"?  could
you say it in a different way so I could understand what you mean?

By the way, I hosted an exchange student from Helsinki for a school year!  I
understand the unemployment problem is very bad for young people right now
(he's about 22 now).

Please get back to me so we understand what you want.  We'll reply ASAP (as
soon as possible) after that!

It's so nice to "hear" from you in Suomi-Finland!!

Julie Rosenoff
(teacher at an alternative high school)


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From: Mike.Folkes@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Folkes)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: RE: CASHLESS SOCIETY....CAN IT WORK????
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 22:25:35 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

I wouldn't want a central world government.  There are lot's of reasons why
this wouldn't be good.  If the wrong person rose to power, he'd have the whole 
world in his command!

ttyl
-Mike


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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Native Americans
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:26:42 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Hello Gregory Granolavo
     I am responding to your posting on Native Americans.  I am a student teacher teaching in a 4th grade.  As part of my practicum I must plan and present a month long unit.  I am anxious to have Native American children about 9 years old correspond with my students.  If this can be arranged through your program, please let me know.
     Thank you.


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From: neta@iat.holonet.net (Gregory Giagnocavo)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Native American Network
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:53:47 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

To Janice adn others who asked about ENAN Educational Native American
Network, you must contact them directly, perhpas I wasn't clear on that.
SOrry. As I indicated, they are a bit reluctant to let just anyone on
their system for some reason, but if you call, adn have a plan, they will
probably allow you access for the period of your project. I will ressearch
my files and see if I can come up with another system that is open. I will
post next week.

National Education & Technology Alliance
box 6051 , Lancaster PA 17603 USA
fax 717 898 9837  e-mail neta@holonet.net
publishers of NetPower: Educators Resource Guide to Online Computer Services,
400 pages, diskette, all on educational use of networks, Dozens of
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Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
From: pbarnes@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Pat Barnes)
Subject: Re: Anne Frank Exhibit in Portland
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:44:57 GMT

Could you please send info on the program "Facing History and
Ourselves".

I can be reached:
pbarnes@llwhro.linknet.com
pbarnes@norfolk.vak12ed.edu
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From: Laura.Akers@f111.n213.z1.fidonet.org (Laura Akers)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: GIFTED ED.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 14:16:57 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:213/111 - The Daily Planet, Reno NV

OK, I'm still looking for responses to my question on how students want to be taught.  Oh, by the way, I'm that student teacher interested in Gifted Ed.
I'm borrowing Laura's password because I can't seem to make my own work for sending messages.  
Anyway...how do you kids want a teacher to treat you?  Or, perhaps, how do you want teachers NOT to treat you?  Let me know.

Sorry, I forgot to say who I am:  Connie Merrill, in Reno, Nevada.

Thanks to Pete in Phoenix, Arizona for his reply.  I appreciate your support because, because almost everyone around here thinks that smart kids don't have any problems at all.  

Recently, I have been trying to find a research program to put one of my students in -- she's 14 and super good at everything.  Well, no one in the School of Education had any suggestions but in the science departments here at the university they were full of helpful ideas.  I was so pleased!  From now on, I don't think I'm going to bother with the educators, I'll just go straight to the scientists when I want interesting work for students.

So, anyway... WRITE ME!

Connie Merrill




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From: James.Bannan@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (James Bannan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: GIFTED ED.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:51:20 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Connie,  let me tell you a story.  A friend of mine had a dog that he spent months teaching to play the classics on the piano.  Hours each day he would spend teaching his dog how to play.  Then one fine day he invited me over to see his wonderful dog.  I sat and enjoyed a nice cup of tea with scones.Eventually I had to ask my friend, after spending two hours and not hearing the dog play a single note, ....I thought you taught your wonderful dog to play the classics on the piano.  "I have" he replied enthus



iastically, "I didn't say it learnt anything".  With kids its the same, from an educators view, we cannot teach anything, from a science / technology view, we learn by probing, by seeking answers to tasks assigned or identified and from the problems that arise.  Kids learn by learning how to learn, to think about how they think when solving problems.  How many different problem solving strategies do children have to call upon?
Cheers  Jimbo Down Under.


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From: ariner@cvgs.schools.virginia.edu (Angela Riner)
Subject: Re: Military Aircraft
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Lynchburg)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:52:59 GMT


> Angela ,  how do you think the P-40 performs against the English Spitfire or the German M-109 in terms of speed , maximam ceiling flying height and manoeuvrability?
> Jimbo Down Under

Hello,

My name is David. ( I am logged in under Angela Riner's name)

In my opion, I like the flying tigers better because they came
out before the start of the war.  The English Spitfire did our
allies a lot of good during the air raids even though the
numbers were getting shorter every day.  I think the 109 and
its brothers, the ME-110, 163, and 262 were pretty good even
though they copy the 110 from our P-38. The 163 was a
dissapointment to Germany because it was more fatal than good.
The 262 was the best because it had jet engines and was very
stable.  If it had come out before the close of the air war,
WWII might have ended differently.

What is your favorite plane and why?  Please write back asap.

So long!
David
From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: HELLO THERE....          
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:23:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Hello Eric,

-> The meaning of life is actually 43!

How can you refute the scientific facts in the books of Douglas Adams??

<grin>

Anyway, I'm fresh out of ideas for new topics of conversation. I mostly
participate in the K12_Math and K12_German echos (to participate in the
german echo, you have to be able to read and write german, though. You
don't have to be real good at it. Even if you are just learning it, but
make mistakes, that's ok too. But I suppose the chances that you are
learning german are pretty slim.)

Are you in some sort of accelerated student program? (Usually called
"gifted" or TAG or some other sort of silly name?) I would suppose that
you are since you posted in this area. You are in high school, aren't
you?

I am a math teacher at Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana, Calif. We
don't have "gifted" classes, but I do teach the honors geometry course
at our school. I really like geometry (I guess that's good, since I
teach it.).

TTYL,
Sheila
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From: Eric.Fesh@f462.n3625.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Fesh)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Hello there....
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 13:08:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3625/462 - The World According, Mobile AL

Hello there Sheila.....

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond, but I have been rather busy....

OOOOOOPS! I used the reply feature and changed the message name... Hopefully you understood what I meant....

Anyway, I was basically looking for a conversation. My favorite subject is military aircraft, but I am interested in just about any subject anyone would happen to bring up..... Well, my lunch break is over..... Hope to read from you soon.....

The meaning of life is actually 43!

Bibi from Eric Fesh....



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From: Soozi.Miller@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Soozi Miller)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Con't other message
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 20:26:25 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT


My call waiting gets me all the time.  Haven't found a code to disable it.
I was explaining that I work as a sp. ed. teacher consultant for a large region in N. Central Montana.  I work for a cooperative, and I travel daily. I am an itinerant teacher.  In Montana we presently have a "generic" sp. ed. teaching endorsement, so our training covers nearly all sp. ed. areas. Our state is rural, so it is important to have some exposure to it all. So, that's a little about me. Good luck in your endeavors.  Soozi Miller


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