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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:05:12 GMT


Your article/letter follows:
>	First, in defense of my comments, I stated that the International
>Gay Figure Skating Union probably inflated their estimates.  I agree with
>everything Joe Kaplenk has said.  My comments about the percentage of

My comments were directed to the IGFSU statements and I did try to
make that distinction, and I do understand that you are not
in agreement with what they say. Sorry it it got lost in the translation. 

We should probably be seeing some interesting articles in Skating 
magazine since much of the competitive ice skating world is concerned 
about AIDs.  There are skaters that have died from AIDs just like the
rest of the world, but male skaters had the image of being gay in the
eyes of some people even before AIDs was discovered.  I think it is 
a matter of education. It wasn't too long ago that ice skating was
not a popular tv spectator sport. Now it is one of the most poplular
Olympic sports on tv. Peoples perceptions change with time.  



-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
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From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: 1992 World Pro Championships from Landover, MD
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:37:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec13.064803.23427@umbc3.umbc.edu>,
cs431109@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs431109) writes:

>Bestemianova
>and Bukin are just getting too theatrical. Their Free dance piece was the
>music from Platoon --Adagio for strings by somebody I can't remember.

If it's the piece I'm thinking of (hum a few bars for us?  :-), the
composer is Samuel Barber.  It's a beautiful piece of music.

>Jill Trenery, an obvious graduate of the Katarina Witt Acadamey of "Not"
>Skating, was the only flaw of the ladies competition. 

Ah, the Witt philosophy... the Zen of Skating....  we skate by not
skating... :-)


What an excellent post!  Thanks so much, Mary.

Fred Chapman
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: NHK Trophy results
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:53:22 GMT

Men's singles:
1. Philippe Candeloro, France (1.0, 1.0) 2.0 factored placements
2. Elvis Stojko, Canada (1.5, 2.0) 3.5
3. Alexei Urmanov, Russia (0.5, 5.0) 5.5

Women's singles:
1. Surya Bonaly, France, 3.5
2. Kumiko Koiwai, Japan, 4.0
3. Yuka Sato, Japan, 6.5

Pairs:
1. Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov, Russia, 1.5
2. Marina Eltsova and Andrei Bushkov, Russia, 3.0
3. Calla Urbanski and Rocky Marval, U.S., 5.0

Ice Dancing:
1. Maia Usova and Alexander Zhulin, Russia, 2.0
2. Angelika Krylova and Vladimir Fedorov, Russia, 4.0
3. Sophie Moniotte and Pascal Lavanchy, France, 6.4

-- 
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Dept. of English         |   be Jewish, female, or generally irreverent."
Univ. of Toronto         |                             - Lawrence Lipking
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From: dvr@doofus.b15.ingr.com (Village Idiot)
Subject: in-line skates for 11 year-old girl
Keywords: in-line, girls
Reply-To: dvr@doofus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville Al.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:35:42 GMT

Howdy All,

I am looking to purchase an entry-level pair of in-line skates for a
niece (11 year old) for Xmas.  Recommendations on brands/models?
Knowing that she will out-grow them quickly, I am not looking to
spend large sums of money (>$100).  I also think it would be
appropriate to purchase wrist guards and ??????

Thanks for the advice!

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From: sk82wind@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Peter P Zapalo)
Subject: Re: Yamaguchi's and Boitano's boots and blades
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.173250.23584@photon.com> wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette) writes:
>Venus Sinn (vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: Hi!  Does anybody know what kind (brand-wise) of boots and blades Kristi
>: Yamaguchi and Brian Boitano are using??  And, can anybody tell me if SP
>: Teri boots and Gold Star blades (what I am having right now) are any
>: good?  I am interested in upgrading both of them.
>
>Both use Harlick (and advertise them).  As far as the SP Teri boots --
>depends on which ones and what level skater.
>
>IMHO, the SP Super Teri Deluxe is an excellent skate for most levels,
>up to and including double jumps.  The next level down is fine for single
>jumps and very small (i.e., light weight skaters).
>	I heard from a person that sharpens blades that the gold blades 
>(no mention of what brand name) are tapered (i.e., the thickness of the 
>blade is not constant as one moves from the edge up toward the boot), and 
>hence are very difficult to lock down properly for a sharpening -- he 
>recommended against them.  Anybody else on the net have an opinion (or 
>some facts).
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>(619) 455-9741              9393 Towne Centre Drive, Suite 200
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The Gold Blades are called Vantage.  They are some of the most expensive
blades out there, and the besides the tapered edges, they also have a 
giant toe pick--some jumpers like them and some don't.  Tonya Harding uses
Vantage blades but there was talk between her coaches that they were 
improperly mounted for the Olympics.  By the way, Phantom blades, used for a
time by a friend of mine, have huge toepicks too.  My friend Derrick Delmore
uses Pattern 99, and he does all the triples including the triple lutz and
triple axel in them, so it seems to be fine for the more difficult toe and
edge jumps.

PPZ III		<<sk82wind@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>>

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From: kcantrel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken  Cantrell)
Subject: CoolBlades
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:51:17 GMT



I've heard a lot about SwitchIts and Aeroblades recently, but nobody ever
mentions CoolBlades.  I've got a pair, and I'm curious why noone seems to
care for them.  I think that they are MOST cool.  What's the general
consenus on them?
 
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From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: Braking System Survey - FEEDBACK PLEASE
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:26:26 GMT

In article <Bz89Mr.Kwx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pz78@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (COMPUTER BLUE) writes:

>pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes...
>> 
>>Are their any other inline-skatej braking devices on the market besides
>>sacrificial rubber pads?
>> 
>>I don't like them - they wear out fast, they leave disgusting 'burn-out' marks,
>>and frankly they don't work well. At high speeds, they are worthless.
>> 
>>Since I don't think I am alone in these opinions, I ask for your response
>>to a device that may be a solution to the above problems.
>>

Somehow I find it hard to trust a brake design team that can't use
heel brakes at speed...I can stop at fairly high speed on heel brakes
and I'm only a fair to middlin skater.

[stuff deleted]

>Since I used to skate on conventional skates, I never use the
>heel brake.  I use either T-stops, or spin stops.  I am working
>on hockey stopping, and I seemto be making progress, though
>snow and ice now prevents me fromb skating except for ice skating,
>which I plan to take up this winter.  Anyway, I don't really care 
>what kind of brake you put on a skate.  All they do is add weight,
>and get in the way, especially on rollerblades.  Hockey ice skates
>don't need brakes, so why dpo rollerblades?

Hey...a question I can answer...hills...and high speed down said
hills.  But for flat surfaces you can certainly get by without
them...I don't know if I'd try any of the terrain around here without
brakes.  They moderate speed pretty well too...

I'd be wary of anything that act like real brakes...I sure wouldn't
want to lock the brakes...that could ruin your whole day.  Add ABS ;-)

>			      Bret

Nigel
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From: jkaplenk@lucpum.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: How to sharpen skates ??
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:09:32 GMT

aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger) writes:

>In article <jkaplenk.724092938@lucpul.it.luc.edu>
>jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

> {lots 'o stuff about skate sharpening}


>Material for an Ice FAQ eh?

>Regards,
>Albert Boulanger
>aboulanger@bbn.com

Whoever is doing the ice skating FAQ is free to include it.
I am still not sure who, if anyone, is coordinating the 
ice skating FAQ. I know Sandra Loosemore was mentioned.
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: ROLLER-BRAKE Survey Results & Continued...
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:36:57 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University


Braking Survey Results as of 12/17/92:

To generalize, the responses seem to be favorable for the 
developement of a new brake system, but most seem to feel
that the current methods available are enough.

Hi-tech pads, T-stops, spin stops and the plain old burn-rubber 
method seem to be the favorites. My own favorite, the V stop was mentioned
once.

Liability, low-cost($10-$30range) and bulkiness seem to be other
popular problems that need to be overcome for a successful system.

My purposeful vagueness led to lots of curiosity on what we had up
our sleeve.

Put simply, same stopping geometry as pads(rear pad) but with ABS - 
anti-lock braking.

Having ridden the prototypes myself, it really is similar to stopping with
ABS in a car to skidding in one without. Control is maintained since the
braking "wheel" does not skid. Long run testing and extreme testing will
commence once the snow melts.

To get lots of prototypes built and on the feet of normal skaters for testing,
I'd like some more responses to picky sorts of asthetic things.

1. How fashionable must a new brake be to be on your skates?
	a. colors, materials, look
	b. plastics? metals? stainless steel? titanium?

2. would you prefer low price to high fashion considerations?

3. would you put a brake system on your skates that looked better than it
	actually worked, even if it looked really really cool?

4. any distinct perfomance parameters a brake must exceed to be worthy
	of purchase? Someone mentioned on a repost that a 1ft per MPH was 
	doable with pads. Someone else claimed a 6ft stop from 25MPH.


Thank you for the responses to date. Once a batch of prototypes is tested
and/or available (Jan-Feb at earliest), we may go for some limited mail-order
at material/shipping cost(first prototypes out of University shop- no profits
yet). Please note if this idea intrests you.

Thank you,
Todd Stiers
Appropo Design - Rollerbrakes Project
Cornell University/Ithaca NY 14850
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From: vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn )
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:13:45 GMT

jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>In <BzA03H.G66@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn ) writes:

>>georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:


>>>A friend of mine told me this weekend that men participating in
>>>competitive ice figure skating are known to chase peter, and this
>>>has caused the sport to be plagued with AIDS, among other things.

>>>Is there any truth to this? I recall there was at least one famous male
>>>ice skater who died of AIDS in recent years, but I don't recall the
>>>detail.

>>As we all know, figure skating is not just a sport for gays!!!  There are
>>always some cofusions about a man showing his artistic side!!!  BTW, for
>>the past several years, we all know that AIDS does not just transmit by
>>the homosexuals!  The best example is Magic Johnson...do you think he is 
>>gay????

>This image has been a problem for many years. Some of it has to do 
>with costuming. Scott Hamilton competed in speed skating outfits because he
>hoped to try an give a different impression of freestyle skating. I have
>known several young male skaters that have been harrassed out of skating
>because of teasing from their hockey and non-hockey friends.

>I think this image problem will persist until more males realize how athletic and fun
>it is do jumps and spins and to compete in skating. Freestyle skating is very athletic,
>but some people think that because it can also be artistic that that makes it a gay sport.


 I absolutely agree with you!!!!  People have confusions from what I have said.
 I have nothing against gays!!!!!  


Venus

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From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:33:16 GMT



Another thought on the subject.

Everyone talks about the number of skaters who have or have died from  AIDS
Maybe if we could come up with figures on the percentage of AIDS victims in 
the overall skating population, it would give people a better perspective of
the situation.  I seem to recall hearing that the USFSA currently has
100,000 members (which does not include professionals or ISIA members).
  If 30% of them are male that gives you 30,000 people.  40 deaths (I don't
recall the exact number) from this many people from any cause is a very small
percentage.

 Any other thoughts on the current or more accurate statistics?



>georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>
>>A friend of mine told me this weekend that men participating in
>>competitive ice figure skating are known to chase peter, and this
>>has caused the sport to be plagued with AIDS, among other things.
>
>>Is there any truth to this? I recall there was at least one famous male
>>ice skater who died of AIDS in recent years, but I don't recall the
>>detail.
>
>
>
>
>Venus
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Complete beginner would like some tips.
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:08:47 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <42090049@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
> | ...speed-skating on ice...
> | reason for ankle pain is that the angle between your legs, the skates and
> |    	| |  | |                  | |  | |
> |    	/_\  /_\   instead of	  /_\  /_\
> |    	 /    \                    |    |
> 
>            (nice ascii representation)
> 
> When I said that I wear the 'tops loose', I was talking about the top buckle 
> on a pair of plastic shell roller-blades.  That is to say...
> 
>                                 Roller Blades
>                                   |_|  |_|  /____  Looks too tall, but it's
>       Speed skates     (high-tops)|_|  |_|  \      the top one I don't over-
>     	| |  | |                  |_|  |_|         tighten. Works for me.
>     	/_\  /_\ (low ankle)      /_\  /_\
>     	 |    |                    0    0
> 
> | ...know if speed-skates is the correct translation?
> Clueless, but it sounds right. And I agree that the foot/skate interface
> is critical for good control.  But of course, that doesn't stop my 7 year
> old daughter from wearing my blades to roll around the living room.  Ah,
> the wonders of youth. <grin>

Tight is relative to the individual, their level of experience and the
way they skate.  For the beginner, it is advantageous to keep the upper
boot fairly tight, since it help keep the skate upright and miminizes
the scary "flop" when the non-erect boot flips from one edge to the other.

As you gain experience and are able to keep your weight over the skate,
keeping the boot tight becomes less critical and can be left to personal
preference.

The one tip for someone who has trouble keeping the skate vertical /\
is to keep the skates under their body and try to "click heels" when 
returning the skate after a stroke.  If the skates are kept widely
separated, the skater may feel more secure, but it is quite difficult
to avoid the /  \ inward lean of the skates.  If you start right with
the skates together, it is easier to keep the skates erect for the
whole stroke, instead of having the skates lean on your ankles and
cause pain or irritation.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of practice to learn the skills...

-- 
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From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Yamaguchi's and Boitano's boots and blades
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:32:50 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
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Venus Sinn (vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Hi!  Does anybody know what kind (brand-wise) of boots and blades Kristi
: Yamaguchi and Brian Boitano are using??  And, can anybody tell me if SP
: Teri boots and Gold Star blades (what I am having right now) are any
: good?  I am interested in upgrading both of them.

Both use Harlick (and advertise them).  As far as the SP Teri boots --
depends on which ones and what level skater.

IMHO, the SP Super Teri Deluxe is an excellent skate for most levels,
up to and including double jumps.  The next level down is fine for single
jumps and very small (i.e., light weight skaters).
	I heard from a person that sharpens blades that the gold blades 
(no mention of what brand name) are tapered (i.e., the thickness of the 
blade is not constant as one moves from the edge up toward the boot), and 
hence are very difficult to lock down properly for a sharpening -- he 
recommended against them.  Anybody else on the net have an opinion (or 
some facts).
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From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:11:19 GMT

  In article <1992Dec14.185906.18880@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
  >
  >A friend of mine told me this weekend that men participating in
  >competitive ice figure skating are known to chase peter, and this
  >has caused the sport to be plagued with AIDS, among other things.
  >
  >Is there any truth to this? I recall there was at least one famous male
  >ice skater who died of AIDS in recent years, but I don't recall the
  >detail.

There are gay men in skating, as in many other sports, arts and business areas.
There are also many heterosexual men (and heterosexual women and lesbians.)
I think we all know people in many walks of life who have died of AIDS.
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From: iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin)
Subject: Re: 1992 World Pro Championships from Landover, MD
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:27:58 GMT

	Did anyone else see the competition and is willing to offer his/her
comments (description of the event?)?  I am especially interested in the ladies
and pairs programs, like the content and music and style.  The pairs result was
a surprise to me though.  I thought that Mishkutienok and Dmitriev would have 
gotten at least 2nd.

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