From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,misc.legal
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:35:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:


>  I too, fortuitously, saw this program.

>In article <13147@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>> In any case, it demonstrates that the authorities, at least in
>> Washington, have not historically regarded homosexual child
>> molestation as a particularly serious crime at all.  This suggests
>> that the supposed preferential treatment for heterosexual
>> child molesters is nonsense.  It's hard to see how any lighter
>> "punishment" could have been awarded than was given to some of
>> these scum -- many of whom were interviewed in preparation for
>> release from prison, and who admitted that they hadn't gotten
>> past their desire for children.

>  Indeed, this is very shocking. How do you feel about the legislature's
>"sexual predator" law? These folks are despicable, no doubt, but
>imprisoning someone on the actions they *might* one day perform
>stinks to high heaven of prior restraint, and seems *very* 
>unconstitutional and *very* dangerous. The screwup with respect to
>sentancing these guy to life in jail is the state's screwup. Passing
>draconian laws which rob people of thier civil liberties is a bad way 
>to make amends though...

>> The next time someone insists that the gay community can't
>> exclude NAMBLA from gay parades because it's a "free speech"
>> issue, remember who the gay community is implicitly saying are
>> OK people to associate with.

>  Where on earth does *this* follow??? Your precious heterosexual
>world is putting lunes on the street TODAY, and you have the
>audacity to claim that the gay community is somehow more responsible
>since ONE gay day parade in the US allows NAMBLA to march as an
>issue of free speech? 
>  God, what a warped sense of priorities. No wonder these scumbags
>walk the streets: you're all to busy trying to blame it on the
>queers to clean up your own damn backyard.
>  Fuck off Clayton. Put your own house in order.

You both seem to agree that child molesters are bad.  You disagree about
whether homosexuality is also bad.  Why is your judgement on homosexuality
superior to his judgement?  Society used to ban homosexuality and child
molestation.  Now you are working to make sure it only bans child 
molestation.  Perhaps the child molesters will work to make sure they are
also socially acceptable and your words will be viewed as bigoted by
a later generation.  Will that make child molestation "right" and "good"?

The term itself is, of course, a value judgement that NAMBLA would object
to.  If Hillary Clinton and our lawyer elite succeeds in making child
divorce legal, as they have made great strides towards, how long will it
be before a "mature" 12-year old decides to divorce his(her) parents and move
in with his(her) 34-year old molester?  When it is legal, who can complain?  
Will *you* complain? 

You dislike the idea that society may proscribe homosexual activity because
you engage in homosexual activity.  Too damn bad.  There is action which,
no matter how pleasant it may be to the actor(s) involved, should not be
allowed in a society.  

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