HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fedup@netland
Subject: How to Deal with A Hooligan on the Net??
Organization: True Grit
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:18:59 GMT

	Shannon Yeh is entitled to express whatever he believes on the
net. But when he tries to sabotage other people's job hunting, his
outrageous act should not be tolerated.
	I rember in some other groups when something like this happens,
people will generate megasized junk file and e-mail to the perpetrator's
account.

Vengeful
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Movies during Culture Revolution
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:37:09 GMT

In article <92290.171315JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Autumn is the moment when people like to think of the past.  What I miss the
> most are the movies that I used to see every Saturday in our big military  
yard.
> The following is a list:
> 
>      Title                         Viewing times
> Nan Zheng Bei Zhan
> (Marching South, Fighting North)   25-30
> 
> Zhua Zhuang Ding
> (Capturing the Draftees)           20-25
> 
> Duo Nao He Zhi Po (Romanian movie)
> (Waves of the Multi-head River)    20
> 
> Qian Wan Bu Yao Wang Ji
> (Never Ever Forget)                20
> 
> Total ............................100 times
> 
> No movie is ever so good as those.  Would you netters agree?
> _______________________________________________________________________
> J.Luo  Penn.State
> Those who pretend to know everything are an annoyance to us who do.
> _______________________________________________________________________


I only watched "Marching South and Marching North" and "Waves of Danube River".  
(I guess you were talking about Danube instead of "Multi-head River", Haaaa).

Maybe according to the standard of that time, there were OK. I guess partly  
because there were very limited number of movies shown then. By modern  
standard, they are too primitive and crude. THEY ARE FAR FAR FAR AWAY FROM GOOD  
MOVIES!! Certainly they were not worth watching 20-25 times. My opinion is it  
is part of our shameful history (culture revolution). I appreciate your courage  
to raise this issue.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Blood Card?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:40:01 GMT

How does the 'blood card' or 'green card' hurt others?  I don't
understand.

J Su
From: zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:49:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: phakt.1bkegkINNj6n
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <Bw6CA5.17I@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:

   I still believe I own tuition to my parents ONLY in any case. Here is
the reason. 

   One netter suggested college students own tuition to those parents
whose kids failed to get into college.

  I have two brothers. Both were not able to get into college. So I own
tuition to my parents to balance for my older brother. I also demand the
netter who made the claim to pay my little brother 10K RMB tuition.

Z. You
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Shannon's Bedroom (was Re: Shannon, Bush, and others)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.203636.6485@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> ** Sender Unknown **  
writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.165007.24249@news.acns.nwu.edu>,  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >
> >
>   Main BODY deleted here
> >
> >
> > He has one bedroom full of Mao's great works.
> > 
> > Carl 
> > 
> >
> 
> So, you know pretty well about his bedroom. Is he good? (-:

His bed is made of Mao's books. His chairs is made of Mao's books. His table is  
made of Mao's books. His carpet is made of Mao's books. Tell you what, even his  
toilet seat is made of Mao's books. Basically, he sleeps on Mao, sits on Mao,  
walks on Mao and even shits on Mao.

I know nothing more. Sorry.

Carl

PS: I just can't help joking each time after I saw his post.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 9 Oct 1992 21:06:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Oct9.163201.19625@odin.corp.sgi.com> (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> (Tingli Pan) writes:
>
>|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.
>May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
>among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
>tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.
>
Please get some sense, the goal of education for a nation is not just to
educate a few geniuses, it is call hundred year plan (Bai Lian Da Ji).
According to Pan's logic, Japan and the US must have wasted a lot of $$$$$$$.

In the world record, at least there are some Nobel Prize winners were educated
by that "something wrong KMT" system. But in contrast, the one perfect seems
having no one under that infamous list. May be Xiao Shi Liao Liao, Da Er
Bu Jia ( Looks great when they were small, but nothing when they grow up).
CCP has put a program to show how well an elementary school in Zhe-jiang
teaching pupils for mind calculation, to beat computers. How could human
beat computers? Get some sense! If yes, that is just minor aspect.
>
Oh yeah, there is one netters disputed him, name like so Fun.;-)
>|> Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>|> that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
>|> after his visiting. 
>
>That is very strong accusation and uncalled for.
>
Be aware, the saying from a famous person was to get attention from the
government, not to praise some one else. Using that world in propaganda
and to be proud of, is in some sense like kids say: I got 100% yesterday,
why should I do it today. Wu somehow was trying to push his students,
Yang Cheng Ning and Li Chen Dao to do something more for Chinese people.
So far these two have no much contribution to Chinese society, at least not
doing well as his teacher did. The most important one, he was trying to
get more budget for his institution, to have more students and research
activities.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27761 soc.culture.taiwan:14339 soc.culture.hongkong:12451
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Oct13.201559.10018@zip.eecs.umich.edu>,
cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:

|> I didn't blame Old Chiang for what he has done, but I hate that he viewed
                                                         ^^^^
Hate is probably too strong a word to be used here.
I would say disapprove.

|> himself as democracy for what he has done. Every one can choose what he 
|> want to be, but he must be honest. If old Chiag can openly admit he is a 
|> dictator and an emperor. I would have nothing to say about him. But,
he lied.

KMT had claimed itself to be a revolution-democracy political party as I
remember. What they did is not 100% democracy, you said it, I knew it, and
they do not claim to be 100% democracy. But that does not mean there was
no democracy whatsoever in taiwan under KMT and Chiangs.

I do not believe that taiwan and KMT is 100% democratic.
There is still a long way to go even today.
KMT and/or the Chiangs should not take the whole credit.
But to nullify their effort to make taiwan more democratic is unfair either.

The Chiangs had given up political power volunteerly for a long time.
There influence in taiwan is minimum now.
Lee, the chosen successor, has no relationship to Chiang.
The transition of the power was not as smooth as in US or Japan but it
is a lot better than Korea, Thailand and many others ...
They are closer to democracy than dictatorship at least on this point.

|> >	   I would say, if it was not Old Chiang, Taiwan would not exist
|> >	   as she is today. 
|> 
|> It is true that without Old Chiang, Taiwan  won't be the same as she is
|> now. But, the real question is will Taiwan be better off or worse ?
|> Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
|> close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
|> close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
|> what Taiwan is now.  So, what is the point to thank old Chiang ?

This is plain disgusting.

First of all, Chiang lost power already, so do not say I was kissing them up
because I would not benifit from this at all.

What is so great of US?
What is so great of Japan?

Purto Rico is part of US, are they any better than taiwan?
Philipine was part of US, are they any better than taiwan?

What japan did during WWII on taiwan and other south asia countries is
just to take whatever they could and never ever really treated other people
equally. They only want the resource and cheap labor.

Maybe in your mind, it is better to be the slave than being your own master.


|> 
|> Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:36:41 GMT

In article <97826@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.230045.1176@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.184002.15132@ms.uky.edu>, gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
>>writes:
>>(deleted)
>>I got very confused here.
>>May be it was because I did not go thru culrure revolution like you guys did.
>>But how come Yue Fei is a ultra-(right/left)est to you?
>>And why he was compared to beggars, prostitutes and  religiously crazy people?
>>
>>Some one please enlight me? 
>
>Sure, please donate to SOS China Education Fund, though.
>
>Yue Fei is very good, in deed. He can fight and write, both. The problem some
>ones regard him as ultra-(right/left)est is because of his poem:
>
>Zhuang Zi Ji Cai Hu Nu Ru,
>Xiao Tan Ke Yin Xiong Lu Xue.
>
But here, the Hu Lu, and Xiong Nu are minority groups. Someone might
find the prove that the war was just an independent movement. (we are
quite familiar in CSS) And that is the reason Yue Fei was an ultra
leftest, or rightest? I'm not sure which side.

>Some bodies, after being westernized, think that is wrong to be canibalist,
>while others proved that Xiong Lu Xue is red wine and Hu Nu Ru is nothing
>more than cheese. Well, you can keep arguing. But please donate no later than
>Steve Lin.
>-- 
Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qian@eta.uleth.ca (Howard Chien)
Subject: Is there a similar IFCSS group in CANADA ?
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:44:25 GMT


IFCSS is well known in States, is there a similar organization in

Canada? If there is one, I would like to know how to contact them.

Thanks a lot.


qian@pi.uleth.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: "6.4" bill, blood card
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:27:32 GMT

In article <7745@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:
>In article <Bw2Gn2.7y5@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
> >In article <92287.005713LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> >>My opinion is, why someone just want to accuse beneficiaries of S1216 as Blood
> >>
> >>Card Holders in stead of charging the Blood Card Maker? Who should be hold
> >>
> >>responsible for the subsequent Green Card Bill s1216? CSS or CG? Personally
> >>
> >>I PREFER to sweat out my green card with honest, respectable work TO  to
> >>
> >>be handed out by Uncle Sam with pity. Who put us in this pitying situation?
> >>
> >>CSS or CG? Why someone, like Shannon Yeh, always charges the majority
> >>
> >>of CSS instead of CG? Are we weaker, minor, no harm to anybody, can not
> >>
> >>retaliate anyone? It that coward?
> >>
> >>Lynn
> >
> >After you did your part in distinguishing CG from CSS, it is my turn to
> >"separate" the "CSS" further:
> >                              Honest CSSs and others.
>
>Why don't you make it clear, who are honest CSSs and who are not?
>
>Y.Duan
>
>Suggestions: Take it easy. Love your fellows.
>
> >
> >A lot of things were mixed up these days. :-(
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't love everything, even though I am a potential Buddhist. :-)

"Love your enemy." :-) I am not so high, but I will try. I promise.
:-) My feeling can hardly go beyond dislike. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu ( )
Subject: funny thing
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:44:59 GMT

Some ignorant, desparate, clueless embecile(s) wrote:

> The Subject says it all.  Just a reminder to all Chinese in the
> world that Oct 10 is our real National Day.  Oct 1 is merely a
> day where the communist party "celebrates" the removal of
> capitalism; and is only observed in mainland.
> 

OH PLEASE, GIVE ME A BREAK.  Save me that 'islander' talk.  WE do not mind
you desparate Nationalists having nostalgic celebrations of your old flag,
but be reminded that you are no 'China', you are really Taiwan.  Think of
how people around the world call you people -- you are Taiwanese, not really
Chinese.  And you have the nerve to denounce the Oct 1 National Day of the
real China?  haha, what absurdity.
> I badly miss those days in Hong Kong primary and secondary
> schools when everyone is handed a ROC flag on 10 Oct every year.
> (Blue Sky, White Sun, Bloody Earth).
If you really want one, you could buy one of those in grocery shops.  They
are made in Taiwan too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You (Wa Re: Once again, please ...)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:11:39 GMT

In article <16199@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <98227@bu.edu> (10 Oct 92)  Xiaowen Li writes,
>
>> Well, Eddie's question about morality makes much more sense.  ...  The
>> problem, as Eddie asked, is whether it is moral for me to take the this
>> advantage [Protection Bill].

This is really good a questioning. 

>    I know a Chinese professor, who came to US before 1949, took three
>Ph.D. degrees to keep his student status, in order to be not an American.
>He finally applied PR in the later '50s, exhausted his hope to return to
>the mainland.

You showed no evidence that he was an opportunist. He was not paralle
to what we observed in the past a few months.

>
>    Sometime, he would betray a so-so respect not common among overseas
>Chinese towards some Nobel laureates.
>
>    But, who else cares the "protection bill" for Chinese after the eruption
>of Korea War?  Who is going to others' closet to check whether s/he took
>this advantage or not?  Not even CCP.
>
>    As an incurable individualist, I would say: you may be unable to save
>PRC, but at least don't ruin yourself.

And take the advantage of the precious blood in 1989, for personal gains?

>    Some historical background: in 1950, Zhou Enlai was waving to overseas
>intellectuals with his famous smile, and CCP's oppression wasn't fully
>unfolded yet.

Nobody says that you should go back. The question is how you get it, 
by being "protected" or by your talent? U Understand?


There are still a lot of space for people to handle this LAW. If it
were enacted, I suggest that ALL the capable benificiaries apply for
it if necessary. In doing so, the real opportunists would get less 
chance to take the advantage of the other people. Since the LAW is 
going to be activated half a year later, there is still a lot of time 
for international political games to be played, in the duration. So,
there might be many things unpredictable in order.

We will see, anyway.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: Social Etiquette/Dating/etc....
Originator: cs922096@a01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:31:51 GMT


      I'm not Chinese, although part of my ancestry is Chinese.  I was just wondering if anyone could tell me about any social etiquette involved in dating.  This may be a really dumb request, but I like learning about the various dating practices of different cultures.  Any help would be appreciated.
      I am currently dating a young lady who grew up in Hong Kong and has been in Canada for about 2 years, so I assume she isn't that far removed from her culture (I hope not.).  Dating someone from a different background is always an enriching experience for both involved, so I hope someone out there can give me advice on how to make her feel I am not ignorant when it comes to her culture.  
      As an aside, how do you say, "You're very beautiful" in Cantonese???



|-)  Joe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:27:12 GMT

In article <Bvz04o.Ivy@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>[...]
>	It has nothing to do with elitism.  I salute those poor immigrants
>from Mexico or those refuges from East Germany couple of years ago who
>state(d) clearly that they are here to pursue a better life, not here
>because they want "democracy", "human rights" in their own countries.
>
>	The point here is honesty, not talents or resources.
>
>    Eddie

  Wondering what has made you think what those poor immigrants from Mexico
  and refuges from East Germany said as proof of CSS's dishonesty.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:33:12 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu

In article <2AD5ED9D.8292@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>4. I still believe that those protectees (i.e. blood carders) are coward--
>   history will not remember them as heroes.  Part of our 9201 extension
>   is to summarize this page of history.
>
>5. By leaving those garbage in the US, the Chinese government, I guess, will
>   be happy.
>
>shannon
>-------

  If you are looking for heroes among the "Democratic fighters", your mind 

really needs some work.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  The bill is almost nothing compared with F-16s for the Chinese government,

and it may well pave the way for the next president's long-term friendly 

relationship with China.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <1992Oct8.145029.1514@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:41:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>So, unless you are just like those members of so-called Patriot  
>Christian Association that is recognized by CG, don't talk too much GOD to me.

Why you only want to let them talk too much GOD to you?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: ROC VS. PROC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:36:00 GMT

In article <92Oct16.105451edt.168@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes...
>In article <ldrgn5INNgpc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>
>>According to CCTV news Monday, the Beijing subway has been extended,
>>from Fusinmem to Xidan, "1.81 KM". It was descrided as a major
>>technical break-through.
>>
>>No wonder the traffic was terrible when I was there in August.
>>Oh, a major break-through construction 1.81 KM, must be great.
>>
>>When Taiwan has constructed North-loop and South-loop railway
>>thru many times longer tunnel under rigid rock mountain,
>>no body said it was a major technical break-through. ROC should
>>learn how to praise herself, see a 1.81 KM break-through? ROC
>>should announce her major break-through to build subway tunnel in 
>>the sand base when Taipei subway is completed. Don't ever critize
>>the schedule delay.
>>
>look, building subway under a city is a bit different from building
>railway tunnels under a rocky mountain, there are lots of that kind
>of railway tunnels in China.  Remember Chinese had very little
>experience in building subway, so building something new could be
>a break-through.  Of course the CCP media always want to flatter
>itself, it's not like the KMT is much better when come to chest-beating.  
> 
>>China had a Zhan Tian Yu, Taiwan has hundreds Zhan Tian Yu.:-)
> 
>

For my knowledge, taiwan does not have any city subway now. Comparing railway 
tunnel with city subway means nothing but the igorance of original poster. The 
fact is that China's railway tunnels are much much longer than taiwan's. If 
taiwan has hundreds Zhan Tian Yu, China has thousands or ten thousands Zhan 
Tian Yu. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:24:57 GMT

yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:

>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli
>Pan) writes:

>|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.

>Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
>No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.

>|> Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>|> that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
>|> after his visiting. Maybe the 30% is spent to the people only know how
>|> to put out a lot of lies and showing unbelievable ignorance. In that
>|> case, even 100% won't help.

>Dr. Wu said taiwan is behind in basic research. He did not say taiwan
>people lies or being ignorant.

I think the purpose of the 30% education budget is to ensure that ALL
the citizens can get education to some extent (in Taiwan, it's mandatory
to attend 9 years, (will be 12 years), of school education.) which greatly
reduce the illiteracy (sp?) rate to almost zero. I don't think it's a shame
not wining the math olympic (btw, does anybody know whether any students 
from Taiwan actually attended the competetion?).  Letting everybody have
the chance to receive education seems to me more important than finding
out some superstars and spending lots of money on them.  (Of course, if
the budget allows, I don't mind seeing some Nobel winners from Taiwan:-)

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china