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From:         GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: On Eire and Edinburg(h) (was Re: First major problem in
              London)

>Doesn't it make more sense to put the name of the other country in English
>and the rest of the address in the language of the other country, since it
>is in this country that that bottom line is read and sent to?  I put U.S.
>in the language of the country I'm sending from (e.g., E.U.) and put the
>name of countries I'm sending to from here in English.
>  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
>     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again

It is an international standard that all externally mailed addresses are
in English.  Ask your postmaster (snailmail).

JAG
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:07:09 CST
From:         Andy Lester <alester@FARPOST.CHI.IL.US>
Subject:      Dad's eye, last update for a while...
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So I just hung with Dad.  He's holed up in a motel in Salt Lake City.
He and Gail are going back to Boise on Monday morning, because the SLC
doctor wants to check him out again on Monday, because Dad's Boise
doctor is out all next week.

That's about all there is.  I'm going out there to hang and keep him
company for the week of the 16th-23rd or so.

I just thought of something: So many people have been sending me mail
thanking me for sending the updates, and it's really no big deal, but I
just realized that I've only had this Internet stuff set up for about a
week, and the timing on it couldn't have been more fortuitous.  Stick
that in your HP file, and I don't mean Hewlett-Packard...

Thanks,
Andy



---
alester@farpost.chi.il.us       "I have 7 years of programming experience,
Andy Lester, Palatine, IL        and I own the entire Big Black catalogue."
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Emily's Art/Literature Question
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>> "Where was El Greco born?"
>>
>> If correct, you get your next choice of entertainment.
>
>I'll say Toledo, Spain.
>
>> Carolyn
>
>Emily

That was not a trick question. His name means 'the Greek' in English and that
is where he was born.... Greece.

Carolyn
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:52:53 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: London Bridge
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        Close.  "Growing dim..."  Good example of the internal rime that goes
        on in Porter's lyrics.

That's what happens if you don't douche properly...

        --ggs (who first became acquainted with CP when he bought an LP of
        Porter songs sung by Mabel Mercer in 1954 because the cover was
        interesting.  Mabel was the best, so he found out after buying this
        record by an "unknown" singer.  Accompanied by duo pianists.)

Sorry, for me it will always be Ella.  No comparison.

G "As Dorothy Parker once said, ..."
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:27:07 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: second call for words-l cookbook
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              93 1:00 pm

Jenna asks:
> any takers? so far, only Natalie has openly expressed

Me, me, I want one!!  I love reading recipes, just don't expect me to
contribute any.

> all you have to do is send me the recipes. i'll typeset them
> and put them into a book thang and then figure out who

A book!  I'd thought it would go into ftp space, but a book sounds good.
Thanks, Jenna.

-rashmi

PS  I just remembered, do you want one for a super carrot-nut cake?
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Mynomination Re: Three-
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        >Watch it, Ruth, you're walking on <holy ground>....
        >
        Whose religion, and which one?  I can't commit a really good act of
        cultural insensitivity until I know who or what I'm trying to insult....
.

Well, put it like this: the expression "There *is* a God" was heard for the
first time ever in the Toal household this year ;-)

G
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Subject:      Re: New Year's Good Luck Foods
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>> I always thought it was 'new shoes on a table'. I'm surprised that no one
>>
>> Not to mention 'crossed knives' and 'spilt sugar' - even throwing them over
>
>Hmmmmm. Maybe that is why 1992 was not a good year for me; I didn't know
>about the shoes, crossed knives, and spilt sugar.  Tell me more, maybe I
>can turn some tide.
>doris

The way my mother used to tell it over 30 years ago: 'new shoes on a table'
mean bad luck (as does opening an umbrella inside the house or putting a hat
on a bed) and 'spilt sugar' brings unhappiness to the household.... there is
no way of taking the bad luck away after the occurrence, although 'kissing
a Chinaman' might help... that's considered very lucky. :-) Whenever knives
become crossed you must remove the bottom one first without touching the
top one, otherwise you will have a violent argument with a loved one. Other
superstitions that come to mind are 'turning the mattress' also a sign of
a forthcoming argument; 'breaking a mirror' heralds 7 years bad luck; the
common ones about black cats and ladders; but the one that my mother observed
most strictly was not 'ironing or sewing on a Sunday' since in the after-life
you will go to hell for the former and have to pick each stitch out with your
nose for the latter..... I thought she really believed this when I was a
child but realised when I became a mother, that she wasn't as silly as she
sounded..... mothers do need at least one day of pseudo-rest a week. :-)

Carolyn
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleaning: Xtian
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>
> From: gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
>
> > in fact I am ROFL, your mamma ought to wash your mouth out with
> > soap made from a sacred cow.
> > --ggs (where *is* nan when we need her?)
>
> Why not try animal farm?
> Pm

No need to do that, Peter, I'm right here.
ndh
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:49:55 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: On Eire and Edinburg(h) (was Re: First major problem in
              London)
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:Has anyone else found this to be the case?  I have sent mail overseas many
:times and I have always put Eire on letters to these folks and never had a
:problem until now.  Aside from my irritation at having to ruin my nice
:red-inked calligraphy with scummy black ballpoint, I am wondering if this
:is standard, or just some postal clerk who doesn't get out much and thinks
:that Dublin is next to Edinburgh (or even Edinburg).

:'Sides, I'm running out of countries in Europe to which I know the current
:name in their language, so this was an insignificant yet meaningful source
:of personal pride.

I vaguely remember (this is a key phrase meaning I'm probably making this up...)
that the GPO (our post office) recommends that you put the country name in
English since it's only relevant to UK post sorters; once it arrive in the
destination country it isn't looked at again.

G
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Smoking cherries
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  What is an "inexpensive cherry blend cigar"?
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:35:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Baseball

>  You've dropped the self-respect thing somewhere along the line and
>substituted "perverse satisfaction". There are two things to explain:
>1) why does your self-respect require that you come up with a simple
>pitch from time to time, and 2) how is this analogous to provoking
>somebody to violence as an alternative to getting away without being
>seen? It would make sense if the simple pitch resulted in a violent
>confrontation that might otherwise have been avoided.

I wonder if there is a little more to the context than we have been
able to get from this exchange of messages.  Perhaps the character
feels the need to demonstrate his superiority, thus fortifying his own
self-respect.  This superiority he might demonstrate by provoking a
violent encounter.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:07:07 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      First major problem in London
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Well, GT hit me in the face and broke my glasses. But we're still
speaking, so I guess it's OK. Actually it's giving me a chace to play on
his guilt and act the part of the <helpless> female, so there's a equity
in it. worst part is I have to stick my nose about 3 inches from the sceen
to post.

Other than that: Frank, we had dinner at a Russian restaurant and toasted you.
It was good, te wine was bette tan the food actually and there was a table
of loud drunks at the back who were acting like assholes. Oh: and a guy
walking by outside made a lascivious gesture at me with his tongue. Un-huh.

I've passed the peculiar point which happens in every vacation where you
sort of forget about how it was to live where your home is and wonder if
you really are supposed to live where you are vacationing.

The other night we ate at an Indian restaurant and toasted Tushar, for no
discernible reason. The food sucked, sort of, but otherwise it was all right.

Fizzy, never change, boy. Never change.

-abh
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

>It seems like a total loser to me!  I used to think I could watch
>Avery Brooks in anything--now I know my limits.  The effects are
>great, but they need to have a PLOT!
>
>Karen

Ah, it's Avery Brooks you folks have been talking about.  I thought he
was just short of spectacular as Hawk.  Fit my vision of Parker's
character much, much better than Robert Urich fit my image of Spenser.
Who was the woman who played Susan in the early episodes?  Not bad at
all, I thought.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:00:50 +1100
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Carolyn's Science/Nature Question
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>I've been asked to give Carolyn her question (since Jenna has been busy at
>work), and she has chosen Science and Nature.
>
>Here 'tis:
>
>What does a chairbound basophobic fear?

I really have no idea... but I'll say he fears displaying his backside...IOW
'others seeing his bum'. :-)

>If you're correct, you can move four spaces to either Geography, Entertainment
>or Arts/Literature.
>
>Emily

It took some doing but I finally worked out that the first roll must have been
a 5. Geography next, if by some weird chance my intuition works better
than my memory.

Carolyn
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:12:31 CST
From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      I have my acc't back!
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Ra is up again, and Natalie is gonna quit confusing my friends by using
my account.  I thought I should let you know that the ftp files may not
be back in place for a while though.  Probably everything will be back in
order later today.

I've been quite busy taking care of the upgrade of Ra/Isis.  Frank helped
me by handing me the tools I asked for, bringing me snausages while I
reconfigured the system, etc.  I really appreciated his help since I had
all four paws busy with the work on Ra/Isis.  Finally I let him leave and
go to sleep late last night.  A dog can do fine on only a couple of hours
of sleep during 36+ hours of computer work, but human beings are more
feeble and start looking tired after a while.  I've assigned Frank the
tasks of getting ftp stuff etc. back in order.  I think he can probably
handle that, and I need to concern myself with loftier matters like
corresponding with my fans and answering Natalie's questions about the
work Frank and I have been doing.

In case any of you have wondered about the word "assistant" in my signature
file since you know I'm really in charge, it's there for PR purposes.  Some
of the less enlightened net people out there look askance at a university
that has a dog as system supervisor.  So we decided to pretend that I was
merely the assistant.
       * * *               /
      *  o   * * * * * * /     Bernard, Systems Programmer
    O                  *          Specializing in UNIX
        * * * * * * * *        Assistant Supervisor of Ra
        / \         / \
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: First major problem in London
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:18:55 GMT

In article <01GT7RC78TCW8ZE6N7@vms.cis.pitt.edu> TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain) writes:
:        Story around here, where we *do* have an 'h' at the end, is that there
:        was a movement in the US at some time (turn of the century?  WWI?) to
:        standardize such place names without the silent 'h'.  Thus, Pittsburg
:        KS and Pittsburg CA (and Edinburg TX?).  But this fair city refused to
:        go along with those spelling prescriptivists, and we were big enough
:        and strong enough to make it stick.

It's not a silent h, pillock.  urgh is a morpheme which is pronounced /uru/.
What we have here is ignorance of your own history and an inability to tell
the difference between place names of Scottish origin and of German origin.

The 'spelling prescriptivists' were anything but. Spelling ignoramuses more
like.

G
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nuclear
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My favorite example of the "intrusive r" occurs in the commercial for
Wausau Insurance:  the clerk says something like "Oh, Warsaur Insurance."
The insurance man corrects her by saying "Wausau."  She comes back with
"W-A-U-S-A-U; Warsaur."

Evelyn
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (74)
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    >The poses show her on the
    >beaches of St. Barthelemy, a French island in the Lesser Antilles.
    >Both Nureyev and Baryshkinov have estates there, I discovered.

  St. Barthelemy, as a gratuitous piece of further information, was
Swedish between 1784 and 1877 (the capital is Gustavia). It pops up
here every now and then when we want to ponder our great imperialist past.
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      question
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Does the song "We will rock you" by Queen have any special significance for
organized labor?  The Local Teamsters were on strike here and they played it
over and over again, and really loudly too, until they were asked by the City
to turn the volume down.  Nobody here seems to know - someone said it was
"inspirational".  Wild guess - was the song featured in some movie dealing
with labor issues?
Whatever the reason, it's OK with me if I don't hear it again for a couple
of years.

-rashmi
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:28:24 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      intrusive r

I have been reading very few words-l postings for the las few days.
I will probably write up what happened at O'Hare in some time. Mean-
while, Rashmi (I think) asked about the intrusive r. The examples I
have heard give me the impression that the r intrudes only between
two vowels. So alpha will become alpher only when followed by (for
instance) "and". Schwa followed by the a in "and" is probabaly not a
common English diphthong.

tushar
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:27:51 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Thanks!
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Thanks for the answers about PC Tools, Neal, Doris, and Karen!  Your
suggestions are in Spain now, I hope.  I just telnetted over to Compuserve
and FAXed the info.  I'll go back to CIS in a few minutes to check for a
"FAX successfully delivered" message.  I *hope* my uncle left his machine
on.  He sometimes turns it off, which means I'll find a message on CIS
saying "tried 5 times and failed."  (CIS tries 3 times for domestic FAXes,
5 for international.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Brad's Science/Nature Question
              8 Jan 1993 13:38:24 +1100 from <LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU>

"What is mined to provide Australia with rutile and zircon?"

Right off the top of my head, I don't recognize either of those two, er,
substances.  Zirconium.  Isn't that an ersatz diamond of some sort?
But why would you mine diamonds to make fake diamonds?

I don't know.  I'm at work late and was about to ask for the short ride
home before answering, but what's the point?  I'll say diamonds.

Sports and Leisure would have been my next choice....

brad
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From:         AHMED@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Question for Ruth....
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Ruth,

Thanks..... It was a very good answer to my question....

zahir
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From: tjl9@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thomas J Lee)
Subject: Cookies and Kisses
Reply-To: tjl9@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thomas J Lee)
Organization: Columbia University Cookie Laboratory
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:51:39 GMT

	Just a quick question about one of Tammy Jo's and my weekend
pastimes.

	You've probably seen, if not made, those little cookies that look and
taste like sugar cookies with a Hershey's kiss stuck in the middle.  Well, my
wife and I have a bunch of Hershey's kisses ... how does one go about making
those?  Can we just make sugar cookies, and then push the kisses into the
cookies when they come out of the oven, before they cool and harden?  Or is
there something special involved?

Sweetly yours,
Tom Lee
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: The burning fiery furnace
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              05 Jan 93 02:10:46 -0500. <9301050707.AA23582@sics.se>

  >Thanks to Torkel, don't think I could ever read another Burke again.

  Being translated is an ordeal for a novel as much as doing the translation
is for the translator. Quite apart from matters of plot or characterization,
the actual mechanical details of the writing are forced on the attention of the
translator, and all flaws and peculiarities are magnified. Burke, like so
many American writers, teaches "creative writing", and the translator groans
as he sees before him yet another passage in which Burke grimly and creatively
describes the weather, or details what people are wearing, or delves into the
inner recesses of Robicheaux's mind. For all I know this may be a very
readable book. I think that of the fiction I have translated, the book that
was least painful to translate was We Have Always Lived in the Castle by
Shirley Jackson, whose skill in writing was uncanny.
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Posted on 7 Jan 1993 at 15:35:30 by GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
>It is an international standard that all externally mailed addresses are
>in English.  Ask your postmaster (snailmail).

I do what Natalie does:  the important thing is that the mail get on its
way out of this country, and it will never do that if the address isn't
in English.

As for externally mailed addresses being in English, it may be the standard,
but it certainly isn't well-obsaerved in some parts of this country (the
San Francisco Chinatown post-office comes to mind) or in countries that
have a non-roman alphabet.  When I was in Japan, I got all the mail that
was addressed in romanization in my box.

Karen
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