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From: slib1614@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: RE:Ghettos in Canada
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:56:40 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Being someone who has lived large parts of his life in both the U.S. and
Canada, I can see there are cultural and historical differences between the two
countries. American culture emphasizes the hard sell/quick buck, the gun(ie.,
solving things the quick way--the long term is not too important here). I would
say also that slavery, historically, has a lot to do with ghettos in the U.S.
But these are the worst aspects of American culture. And, what is ironic is
that most Americans seem to be aware of it-- the insanity of gun violence,
etc., but no one seems able or willing to do anything about it. Except perhaps
Bill Clinton. Who knows? It is interesting to note that some northern U.S.
cities such as Minneapolis, Seattle, etc., are apparently as liveable as 
Canadian cities. 

PF
slib1614@selu.edu
From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: interracial relationships in canada
Keywords: interracial relationships in canada
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:12:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bennettc@mace.cc.purdue.edu (bennettc) writes:

>In article <C16vK3.J8o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of any good sources of written information
>>about interracial marriage and dating in canada. I am primarily
>>interested in white/black relationships, black women/white men,
>	(stuff deleted)
>>two principal sources that I have come across:[books]
>>
>>"Black and White Mixed Marriages" Ernest Porterfield
>>
>>"Marriage Across the Color Line" Larsson
>>
>>You can contact me at  apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>>
>	Another good one is "Sexual Life between Blacks and Whites; the
>			     Roots of Racism"   Beth Ann Romulo   


>Cynthia
gout



Thanks for the info cynthia. There is not a lot out there besides
the books I mentioned. In the states we have a magazine called
Interrace which focuses on interracial marriages and childrearing.
My own dating has been primarily interracial (I'm a white male)
and I have a natural interest in what a likely future marriage
might mean as regards such issues as childrearing, biracial
sense of identity, etc. I would be interested in any specifically
Canadian sources of info, newsletters, etc. Have a special 
interest in black female/white male relationships.


apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: What's the diff?
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)


Most of us expatriates don't get the can.* groups but we can use
gateways such as UUNET by crossposting ... Soc.culture.canada is
the only relevant group, as Talk.politics.misc is overloaded with
American topics, and others get chased out as "bloody socialists"
-- and, that's just the Tories. <-- there's a "culture" topic! (-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.EDU 		Carnaval de Quebec (City)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			February 4 - 14
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:02:54 GMT

In article <1k1lodINN830@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, hahn@het.brown.edu (Stephen Hahn) writes:
> In article 1@vxdesy.desy.de, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de () writes:
> [ other citations omitted ]
>> 
>>Absolutely agreed.  Canada is hugely inferior to the US in all respects,
>>and Canadians occupy considerable time and efort ina fruitless attempt
>>to try to convince people otherwise.  To the rest of us it looks rather
>>ludicrous and a little sad.
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> 
>    I don't really understand this:  most of the people I know on both
>    sides of the border seem to think the two are similar in more ways than
>    they are different.  Can you explain/justify why you think one is
>    in all ways superior?  (Your statement seems a little extreme, at the
>    very least.)  I'd prefer to see reasoning and examples not connected
>    with your experiences with Canadian government science.
> 
>    (I strongly doubt that the "rest of us" are so patronizing to consider
>     this behaviour as "a little sad", by the way.)
> 

Oh, by all means.  Canada is greatly deficient in output in all the arts and
sciences compared to the US.  A country with about half the population of
Britain, it has produced a handful of reasonable writers (one of the best of
whom it refused to publish and he had to go to England to find someone to
handle his books) and artists.  You know my views on its science, so there 
is no need to repeat them.  It is utterly mediocre in all aspects of
achievement, in fact it is mediocre in all respects,  the climate is mostly
terrible (I obviously exclude BC here), goods are overpriced and overtaxed, 
the scenery is mostly tedious (I exclude parts of the west), the government
is of the type normally associated with banana republics, the people are
smug and boring, it has no character whatever.

Laurence
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Follow question on ghettos in Canada
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:11:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 22:03:20 GMT

Lisa DeLorme asks about "medium ghettos" in Canada.

First of all, what is a ghetto?  Is it simply a place where the residents are
people of a certain ethnic or religion group?  If so then most major Canadian
cities have their Chinatowns, Little Italies, Greek neighbourhoods, etc.

But I have the feeling that Lisa is interested more in slums.  There are certainly
plenty of those around in Canada, though perhaps less nasty than their US
counterparts.  In Vancouver, try East Pender.  There you will find a motley
crew of winos and derelicts of all creeds and colours.  However, many of them
seem to be Native.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: mcbjjbj@nuscc.nus.sg (Jose Julian Blanc Juarez (Mr))
Subject: Wildlife Mgt in Canadian Universities
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:18:59 GMT

	I would like to find out which Canadian Universities offer MSc
degrees in Wildlife/ Natural Resources Management. Any information will be
greatly appreciated.

	Julian

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:53:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.194437.15323@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>I never remember seeing what would really be called a ghetto. Does
>>Canada have them? I remember a few run-down areas, but certainly nothing that
>>would compare to New York's Bedford-Stuyvesant (sp?), Los Angeles' Compton,
>>Chicago's Cabrini-Green or even East Oakland or Hunter's Point (San Francisco)
>>
>
>Fear not...our politicians are busy creating them...in a decade or so,
>our ghettoes will be as "good" as yours are.  Social decay in Canada
>with respect to the US is not as far advanced, but we are doing our
>best to catch up.  

This is the second time you have claimed that Canada's level of "social
decay" is ten years behind that of the U.S.  If your hypothesis were correct,
Toronto today would be much like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago were
in 1983.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but large parts of New York were already "no-go"
zones in the 1970's.  The worst areas of Toronto (arguably, Regent Park
and the Jane-Finch corridor) are not anywhere near as bad as comparable
areas in large U.S. cities were a generation ago.

(And, to satisfy my curiosity:  since you believe that our society is in
a state of decay, when do you think the rot started to set in?  1968?
1946?  1867?)

--Dave "a believer in more of a 'steady-state' theory of society" Till
"I worshipped dead men for their strength,/Forgetting I was strong."
-- Vita Sackville-West
From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: re: Atheist country/religious broadcasting
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:52:23 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

 Actually there is an exception. When Newfoundland entered 'the dominion'
some radio stations where owned by various churches. Under the 'grandfather'
rule the ownership exists to this date, the only 'church' owned
stations in the country. But to my knowledge they are not used in the
way that is often found in the USA.

robert

rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: British passport needs re-newing in Canada
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:02:11 GMT

In article <21JAN93.01105907@sklib.usask.ca> scott@sklib.usask.ca writes:
>I live in Canada and need to re-new my British passport.
>
>Any suggestions to scott@sklib.usask.ca
>
>Thanks ahead.

There's got to be a British consular office out west, and that's where you
can get it done.  If not, you could mail it to Ottawa, where I know for sure
there's a British High Commission there that would renew your passport.
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
From: trmakuu@uta.fi (Marjo Kuusto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Jesus of Montreal found, thanks
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:42:12 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

Thanks for the info, I'll visit the station
next time in Canada!


-- 
***************************************************************
Marjo Kuusto               My memory is muddy
trmakuu@uta.fi             What's this river that I'm in?
******************************** - The Tragically Hip - *******
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:10499 soc.culture.usa:10222 talk.politics.misc:70217
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clintonmania vs. Trudeaumania (was MTV BALL 10,000 Maniacs)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:14:11 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <murphy.728063724@well.sf.ca.us> murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy) writes:

|> $23 million inauguration

|None of which is public money, it should be pointed out, so it says
|nothing about Clinton's attitude about *government* spending.

I agree with you completely that this is a total non-issue.

But for myself I remember several commentators who were up in arms over
the oppulence of the Reagan inauguration, even though he spent less than
Clinton (even after factoring in inflation.).
I also remember how upset many people got over the late Malcom Forbes
birthday bash, even though he was spending entirely his own money.

It can be fun to watch the loyal opposition hoisted on their own petard.
-- 
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:55:42 GMT

The nearest Canada comes to having a traditional Black ghetto is in
Toronto: the "Jane/Finch" area, named after the intersection of major
streets in the north west.  Downtown Toronto property is the area of
yuppies; the "inner city" is outer.

In Western Canada, ghettoes are for Natives: Indians and Metis.
Inner-city Winnipeg provides one such.

But NOTHING in Canadian cities, thank God, approaches Bed-Stuy.

Indian reserves -- what Yanks would call "reservations" -- served
South Africa as the model for their "homelands".  Life on most
reserves is more desperate than life in US city ghettoes, and, by all
reports, is worse than on corresponding US reservations.
-- 
Michael Feld                  | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy           | FAX: (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba        | Voice: (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: real estate (was--Re: Deficit, Deficit, who's got the Deficit? was: NDP "communism?")
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:17:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: vongole.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan26.041824.7161@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <jstewart.728019346@cunews> jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
>>I don't think we have a stable real estate market yet.  Lower interest
>>rates have increased sales of starter homes but the market for more
>>expensive houses is still pretty soft.  If interest rates increase (a
>>definite possibility) it could trigger further declines in the value of
>>real estate.
>
>Technology (and crime) are making big cities obsolete...the big
>deflation in real estate due to technology is yet to come...how's
>that for a apocalyptic prediction.  If war doesn't get the value
>of your house, the personal computer with a modem will.

as someone intimately involved in the industry, i have to disagree
with this. it is true that more people are working from home now,
but mostly it is a part of the job, not all of it. the technology
has been around for a while now, and the fact is that the trend
in industry is towards increased teamwork and personal communication.
i think the electronic cottage will continue to be the domain of
a very small minority of the workforce, and for a long time to come.

certainly it won't have much of an effect before other, more
immediate things do, such as the crash, for example.

-=-
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,can.politics
From: pamela@sscux1.ssc.gov (pamela gurd)
Subject: Re: Need Info: Importing Cars into Canada
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:51:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.002613.28626@newstand.syr.edu> brkirby@mothra.syr.EDU (Bruce Kirby) writes:
>
>1. I have discovered that even cars built for the US market may not be
>importable because they fail to satisfy Canadian safety standards. (The
>strangest example seems to be that passive restraints -- mechanical
>seatbelts that automatically move into and out of place -- provide a
>discount on insurance in the US, but are not allowed in Canada, except
>that they are allowed if they come with an airbag.) I think I have the
>transport Canada rules figured out...
>
My husband's car has passive restraints.  He never remembers any more
to do up the lap belt - in spite of annoying noises to warn him.  I
believe these can be dangerous if the lap belt isn't done up.

Pam.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Misleading stats
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:18:28 GMT

In article <C1ACJK.4C7@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>
>>I think the statistic is only misleading if you read things into it that it
>>doesn't claim, in other words, if you confuse absolute numbers with rates.
>
>  Well, why would the statistic be printed except to imply something?  Like
>I said, it was presented on its own, without any analysis or background.  So
>it obviously had a purpose.  The only imaginable purpose is to point out that
>whites are capable or more likely to assault women;  any other motivation, and
>the statistic would have been meaningless.

I agree with the last poster's point (a bit).  My intention in posting some
of the stats I've run into (showing that immigrants are not more likely to
collect welfare etc...) was to counter some wide-spread belief in the 'lazy
immigrant' image, NOT to imply that white folks are any more likely to be
bad people.

I think the conclusion that CAN be drawn from these various stats is that
it's easy to become jaded with our high standard of living.  If you move
here from a less-well-off place, you are probably happy enough with your
surroundings, and less likely to be dis-enchanted with things in general.

White people are not bad (except for me ;^}).  The reason it looks that way
sometimes is that (in general) we've had things good longer than others,
and therefore often don't appreciate them.  None of the other civilizations
tried are still around in their original form, so maybe "Western"
civilization will go the same was, we'll see....  

(But it's not because one race is better/worse than the others!!!!)

-chris blask
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: nfs@hart (Norbert Schlenker)
Subject: Re: Food choices
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:38:39 GMT

In article <81991@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7627b@prism.gatech.EDU (gt7627b THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP) writes:
>I am an American who lived for four years in Toronto (I graduated
>from _SECONDARY_ school in Canada).  I even went so far as to work
>in a Canadian grocery store.  And from my perspective, there is 
>no better spectrum of quality and choice than in US supermarkets.

Well, you simply haven't tried the right things.  I still find it
absolutely necessary to import (or beg a Care package full of)
Stretch and Seal (because American plastic wrap is shit), Coyote
Pancake Mix (because American pancake mix is shit), and Marks &
Sparks Extra Strong Tea (I know, I know, it's not really Canadian,
but American tea is shit).

>P.S. I _like_ Cheez-Whiz!!!

What a surprise.  I bet those rubber bricks they label Wisconsin
cheddar are high on your list too.

Norbert
nfs@cs.princeton.edu
From: trmakuu@uta.fi (Marjo Kuusto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Help! CFNY address in TO?
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:44:17 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

As far as I remember CFNY was the name of
the station I listened to last summer. They
play industrial and other alternative stuff.
Anyways, I would need the address of the station
now, or actually any other station that plays
industrial music. Like in Vancouver
for instance.  

Thanks in advance, oh and just by the
by I'm in a bit of a hurry as I'm leaving
for Spain next week!


-- 
***************************************************************
Marjo Kuusto               My memory is muddy
trmakuu@uta.fi             What's this river that I'm in?
******************************** - The Tragically Hip - *******
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
Subject: Are YOU outside the USA?
From: (Ben Hadden)
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:16:09 -0600
Followup-To: soc.culture.misc
Distribution: world

I like collecting stamps.  My goal is to try and collect one stamp, which
has never been used, from every country in the world. If you are outside
the USA,
please contact me and I'll let you know if you can help. 
Thanks!!    Please e-mail!!   "Benjamin Hadden" <BHADDEN@nic.gac.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.spain,soc.culture.thai
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Subject: International Software Assignments
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:11:44 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject:  Pen-pals wanted by elementary school
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:28:48 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


Hi,

My daughter is in the 2nd grade in Raleigh, North Carolina.  Her class
just got an account through Internet and would like to find other
schools, especially elementary schools, that would like to communicate
over the computer with them.  They are especially interested in schools
outside of the USA.  If you know of any schools that might be
interested, please reply to me at cates@unx.sas.com.

Thanks so much,

Claire S. Cates

Newsgroups: soc.culture.misc
From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Subject: INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS
Summary: INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:35:02 GMT
Keywords: INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS



Am interested in discussiing interracial relationships
of a black female/white male nature, particularly with
any black women who are in, or have been in, such relationships.
I am a white graduate student at the university of illinois
who has been in such relationships for many years.
If you are interested in such below are some
books I have come across:

Black and White Mixed Marriages, by ernest portrfield

Different Worlds, about tenage interracial dating

Marriage across the Color Line[old - 1965}, \
  by Clotje Larsson

  Interrace magazine : lots of marriage and childrearing
		articles.

 Have a particular interest in any info anyone might have
 on interracial dating services, interracial matchmaker
 services, interracial singles magaizines, church support groups,
 etc. If anyone wants to exchange stories, I can tell a few.
 While my primary interest is in black female/white male 
 relationships, am interested in info or stories from 
 other interested or knowledgeable parties.

 Andy, apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

 .