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From: jopala@m.njit.edu (jose palacios)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Exposicion en la Smithsonian
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:06:24 GMT
Reply-To: jopala@m.njit.edu (jose palacios)
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug27.192745.26395@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>Esta siendo expuesta en el Hirshorn Museum, de la Smithsonian, aca en
>Washington DC, una serie de obras de los pintores latinoamericanos:
>
>Diego Rivera (Mexico), Torres (Uruguay), Mata (Chile), y Wilfredo Lamb (Cuba).
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
En realidad el nombre de este pintor es WIFREDO LAM.  Con una visio'n muy sui-
generis del cubismo, pasado por un tamiz tropical de bambu'es y dioses 
africanos.  De lo mejor.  Bastantes de estos cuadros de Lam son prestados por
Venezuela: 4 de la coleccio'n privada de Miguel Angel & Magaly Capriles (entre
ellos el de ti'tulo "Canaima"), 1 de la coleccio'n Villanueva y 1 del Museo 
de Bellas Artes de Caracas.

>
>Tambien, como parte de la muestra permanente, hay obras de un pintor argentino,
>asi como de Dali y Miro. Tambien tienen esculturas de Mata, Picasso, Giacometi,
>Miro y otros.

Henry Moore, Auguste Rodin y un cerro de escultores franceses...

>
>AAp

JLPa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Columbus movie
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:11:26 GMT

In <2AA25CBD.25866@orion.oac.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:

>In article <16292@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>Has anybody seen the lates film with a script written by Mario Puzo and a 
>>casting that includes M. Brando.  I was just wondering if I could get any
>>comments before spending $6.00 on the film.  I also understand that there is
>>another film titled "The Conquest of Paradise" or something like that.  Any
>>information will be appreciated.
>>
>>Edelmiro Salas

> The critics on tv said that movie is lousy, no historical accuracy/value,
> etc. Marlon Branon just says a couple of lines as the Inquisitor General,
> so they said.
> 
> They mentioned the other movie coming out in Oct. with G. Depardue (sp?)
> the french actor of Green Card, which is supposed to be a better movie.

The movie in question is entitled "1492" and is directed by Ridley Scott,
of "Blade Runner" and "Alien" fame.
-- 
Flesh: John Coughlin                            Elvis ate my Cadillac
Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: dranidis@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Dimitris Dranidis)
Subject: REQUEST: Name of Gods
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:25:21 GMT

Hello,

We are giving our workstations names of Gods (Mythology or whatever). We search  
for a 11-person list of Gods from Amerika (geographically meant).

Thanks for your help,

Dimitris
From: jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Panama se integra a BITNET
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:14:01 -0500

	Panama se acaba de unir a BITNET, el articulo original sigue

Julio Arias
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From: Luis Blanco <BLANCO@UCRVM2.BITNET>
Subject: PANAMA
 <IRAZU@UCRVM2.BITNET>
To: "Julio M. Arias" <JMA@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
Reply-to: "Lista de discusion de costarricenses en el extranjero."
 <IRAZU@UCRVM2.BITNET>
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Panama se integra a la red BITNET a traves del nodo UTPVM1 instala-
do en la Universidad Tecnologica de Panama (UTP).
 
Esta  Universidad  cuenta con un computador IBM 4361,  el cual esta
conectado a la estacion  de microondas en David y  a traves de este
medio a la estacion en Tarbaca, desde donde el enlace  se  extiende
hasta la  Universidad de Costa Rica  para conectarse a nuestro nodo
UCRVM2, el cual le sirve de enlace con la red BITNET.  La velocidad
de transmision usada es de 19.2 kilobits/seg.
 
Para alcanzar este objetivo,  el Ing. Jose Gonzalez, funcionario de
la comapania IBM de Panama y  el Lic. Victor Lopez,  Vicerrector de
Investigacion  de la  UTP,  estuvieron  de  visita en el  Centro de
Informatica  de  la Universidad  de Costa  Rica durante una semana,
asesorandose en asuntos  tecnicos  y  administrativos por  medio de
reuniones  sostenidas  con  el  personal  tecnico  de la Seccion de
Ingenieria de Computo y de la Unidad de Redes (UDR).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: jcs@sal_jean.nynexst.com (Jean Carlo Sandy)
Subject: Re: Dioses
Reply-To: jcs@sal_jean.nynexst.com (Jean Carlo Sandy)
Organization: Nynex Science & Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:01:04 GMT

Aqui van algunos sugerencias:

Pachacamaj
Pachamama
Inti Raymi
Quetzacoal
Pachacutej

Jean Carlo Sandy           
NYNEX Science and Technology			 
White Plains, New York       			
email: jcs@nynexst.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ccrazy@athena.mit.edu (Ellen Kranzer)
Subject: Job Opening
Organization: LASPAU
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:38:25 GMT

Position Open:  Project Officer for Electronic Communications
Organization:  Latin American Scholarship Program of American Universities 
(LASPAU).

The Latin American Scholarship Program of American Universities (LASPAU), 
affiliated with Harvard University, is a nonprofit organization which 
assists in the development of universities and other public and private 
institutions in Latin America and the Caribbean.  LASPAU administers 
approximately 1,000 scholarships per year for Latin American and Caribbean 
professionals to pursue graduate studies in the United States.  The 
organization also offers specialized educational consulting services to 
institutions both inside and outside of the Americas.

Responsibilities:  Cooperates with LASPAU staff to ensure that Fulbright 
scholars are connected to BITNET and the Internet at their host 
universities.  Develops an electronic network of Fulbright scholars in the 
United States and Fulbright alumni in Latin America.  On behalf of and in 
cooperation with Latin American and Caribbean universities -- with the 
assistance of consultants to LASPAU -- develops and oversees plans to 
provide "value added services" to increase  electronic-mail message volume 
and the number of users in Latin American and Caribbean academic and 
research institutions.  Maintains electronic mail lists for other projects. 
Reports to Program Director.   


Qualifications:  Bachelor's degree in a related discipline.  Two to three 
years of experience with electronic-communications technology and 
communications Fluency in Spanish is required.  Knowledge of Latin American 
higher education systems a plus.


Hiring Salary:$26,400 - 33,800/year


Send Resumes to:

Joyce Lamensdorf
Personnel Officer
LASPAU
25 Mt. Auburn Street
Cambridge, MA  02138







Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: panco@athena.mit.edu (F J Madero)
Subject: Re: Communspeak Latin American Dictionary (CLAD)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:20:09 GMT



> Any other terms to add to the dictionary will be appreciated.

> Edelmiro Salas

En Mexico hay muchisimos ejemplos de "double talk" distintos a los slogans
comunistas como  "internacionalismo proletario" del que nos habla Edelmiro, o
redefiniciones de algunos de los que el menciona como:

>4.-Latin American Communspeak: "defensa de la soberania nacional"

    Significado	en Mexico: Excusa para prohibir la presencia de observadores
	internacionales durante una eleccion.

Hay algunos muy viejos como "la voluntad de las mayorias", "la concertacion", y
muchos mas, pero hay uno muy nuevo, interesantisimo, que se esta poniendo muy
de moda (Salinas lo uso en la entrevista que le hicieron en la revista Forbes
hace 2 semanas), que a diferencia de terminos como "el materialismo dialectico"
eluye si quiera una definicion de diccionario, pero que suena igual de
intelectual y "tecnocraticamente politically correct" como son las cosas en el
Mexico  NERD de nuestros dias:


	"la subcultura del fraude"


Significado: Un ca~onaso bien dado a todo el que argumenta que la democracia
Mexicana no es transparente, pegando en aquel complejo de pueblo conquistado, que
compra todo lo g:uerito que le vende Televisa, del cual todavia queda algo,
desafortunadamente.

Francisco
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: more on columbus forum
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.173735.15080@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, bacchus@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Emran Bacchus) writes:
> 
> The date for the forum on the 500 years of Columbus sailing west to find east
> is Nov 13-14 ,1992. In addition to the aboriginal speakers, those from latin-
> america and 'black' peoples are being sought. This event will be in Winnipeg,
> Canada at the U of Manitoba ; with a cultural aspect in downtown Winnipeg.
> 
> The Forum seeks to look at the consequences of Columbus losing his way.
> 
> Muslim sailors were among the conscripts on these Spanish  expeditions.
> 
This agenda really is insulting.  Muslims, who could just cross
the straits to escape were by far the minority among those coming to
the New World.  Most of the settlers were either Crypto-Jews or
Christian heretics escaping persecution.  Jews had to get all
the way to what is today Turkey or the Balkans to truly get
away, since north Africa hadn't been very tolerant since
the Almohavids invaded in the 13th century, destroying
the Jewish communities of Granada and Cordoba.
After 1492, travel by Jews was illegal, and it was only
the great need for talented people to settle the Spanish
colonies that resulted in the laws being changed allowing
them to travel only to the colonies.  Look at what happened
when the tolerant Dutch captured part of Brazil.  Large numbers
of colonists reverted to their former Jewish worship.
Luis de la Torre of Columbus' fleet was a Jew who had to
be converted on the docks so that he could join Columbus'
voyage.   He settled in Dominica.  Cortes' grandson was
burned at the stake for Judaizing in Mexico City, his
mother had made him a Jew.

Given the high remnant level of Judaism in many Hispanic
peoples Catholicism, especially in secret, and a singular
lack of Islamic remnants, this statement is a gross
misrepresentation and poorly motivated.
I have personally seen Jewish rituals among Puerto Ricans,
Cubans, and when in Mexico I saw a whole town in the State
or Morelia that seemed to be Crypto-Jews.
Villages in Peru have converted and many have
gone to Israel to live.  A town outside of Mexico City
has seen local Crypto-Jews come out of the closet, and
in New Mexico, the Mexican-Americans who live south of Albuquerque
and Santa Fe' have been found to keep many Jewish traditions
alive in secret.  In Majorca Crypto-Jews live along the
Calle de las Judeos, and some of the younger people have
left and converted.  In the Portuguese-Spanish border
areas towns such as Belmonte' and Monsanto also have
active Crypto-Jewish communities, some of whom have
resumed public Jewish worship.

		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer:  All opinions are my own not my employers'.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Name of Gods
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:54:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In <1992Sep2.192521.5474@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Dimitris Dranidis writes:

>Hello,
>We are giving our workstations names of Gods (Mythology or whatever). We 
>search for a 11-person list of Gods from Amerika (geographically meant).
>Thanks for your help,

The Taino tribes that inhabited Puerto Rico and were members of the Arawak
family which settled the Greater Antilles until their genocide in the early
16th century had a God which still roams the Caribbean and still lives to his 
reputation.  In their theology he was known as the god of fear, and was honored 
very often so that he may be kept pleased.  His name was JURACAN [english: 
hoorawkawn] and today's mortals name eacho of his revelations on earth with 
different names.  First they called him following names of Catholic Saints and 
now they call him with English names which a computer selects at random.  His 
last aparition was known as Andrew.  The Taino god later was poularized in 
europe under the name Huracan, and later crept into English as hurricane.  
Better keep him pleased and name a workstation under his name.

Edelmiro Salas
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 01 Sep 92 23:30 PDT
Subject: NNY:Chamorro Govt & Cuba
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800292:000:1044
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Sep  1 23:30:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: NNY:Chamorro Govt & Cuba

/* Written  2:28 pm  Aug 25, 1992 by crosenberg in cdp:reg.cuba */
/* ---------- "Status of Nicaraguans in Cuba" ---------- */
/* Written  8:45 pm  Aug 23, 1992 by nicanetny in cdp:reg.nicaragua */
/* ---------- "Weekly News Update #134, 8/23/92" ---------- */

CHAMORRO ORDERS MEDICAL PATIENTS TO LEAVE CUBA
Nicaraguan President Violeta Chamorro has ordered 76 people who
have been receiving medical treatment in Cuba to return home,
along with recently graduated Nicaraguan students. Initially all
patients were ordered to return but later the order was limited
to those who had already been released from the hospital. The
remainder will return over the next few days. Nicaragua has not
had an ambassador in Cuba since the Chamorro government took over
in April of 1990, and there is speculation that Nicaragua may
become the only country in Latin America to break off relations
with Cuba, presumably in an effort to please the US State
Department. [Nica Net Hotline 8/17/92]

Xref: sparky soc.culture.latin-america:3238 soc.culture.spain:2796 soc.culture.mexican:5087
From: rians@CFSMO.HONEYWELL.COM (Rian Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.spain,soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Spanish Language Newspapers
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: rians@cfsmo.honeywell.com

Hi...

Can anyone tell me how to go about subscribing to Spanish language newspapers
(from any country of origin)?

I'd really like specifics if at all possible (e.g., addresses, prices, etc.)

Please e-mail me directly.

Gracias de antemano.
Saludos,
Rian

--
#################################
Rian A. Schmidt
E-mail: rians@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:30:31 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.latin-america,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9209020733.AA08322@tba.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> The Crimes of Nicaragua
> 
> 
>     AMONG THE FOUR COUNTIES in the region where Oxfam America works
>     [Nicaragua, El Salvador, guatemala, and Honduras], only in
>     Nicaragua has a substantial effort been made to address inequities
>     in land ownership and to extend health, educational, and
>     agricultural services to poor peasant families. But the contra war
>     had slowed by pace of social reform and compounded hunger in the
>     northern countryside.
> 
>         --Oxfam America report on Central America
> 
 	Hee hee.  "In talking with a murderer, rapist, thief and con-artist,
 we determined that the thief was the most lawful."
 
 	Speaking of damning with faint praise :), why didn't Oxfam protest the
 Sandinista land theft at the end of their term?
 
Brett                                                      
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From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Cuban solidarity then and now
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:03:17 GMT

In article <16442@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In<2A9D6327.27547@orion.oac.uci.edu> Ray Ravelo writes:

>Ray,
>
>Is there anything we can do to obtain the release of Ms. Varela?  Has Amnesty 
>International looked into the matter?  I think its a perfect example of human 
>rights abuses: a poet is incarcerated for writing a letter to the New York 
>Times!  What's the official explanation from the Cuban government? Maybe there 
>is a letter campaign going on for her release and we should share it on the net 
>so that those who really are worried about inhumane treatment against Cubans 
>can sign on.  If there isn't, please post the details of the case, send me an 
>adress of a Cuban agency or their UN embassy and I could write the letter so 
>that we can all deliver a message for her release.

>Sincerely,
>Edelmiro


 Edelmiro, I really don't know if AI is doing anything about Ms. Cruz Varela,
 heck, I don't know if any of the many exiled groups are doing anything on
 her behalf, but I like your idea. All I know about her is from the NY Times
 article that printed her open letter to Castro. 
 
 I'll try to get more information about what's going on (if any) on the
 next few days. Thanks for your suggestion.

 Note:
 Anyone with information about this is more than welcome to share that
 information with us, please.
 
 Sincerely,

 


--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                   from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re-Cuban solidarity: then and now
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:36:50 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



Edelmiro:

Obviamente no estas de acuerdo a que el embargo en contra de Fidel debe ser levantado podrias abundar un poco mas en tu posicion. El levantamiento del embargo, ademas de significar la derrota de la politica externa estadounidense en cuanto a Cuba por los ultimos 33 anhos, facilitaria el contaco del pueblo cubano con el "mundo capitalista". Tambien desmantelaria el antiquisimo recurso fidelista para hacer resurgir el nacionalismo cubano pues los EEUU son presentados como el agresor y los revolucionarios com



o simples victimas del "imperialismo yanqui". 

ATT. 
    JOSE F. OTERO
From: gmejia@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (galo.mejia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Internet en Ecuador. Derecha e izquierda. New groups.
Summary: Suggestions in how to open/break communication :-)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:39:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug30.163920.27379
Followup-To: gmejia@alphlz.att.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T
Keyword: Realidad virtual, communications, happy face.

Hola :
Esta nota tiene por objeto informar a aquellos "netters" interesados, que
esta en marcha un proyecto privado (y ademas criollo), de integrar la red 
electronica de communicacion llamada Internet hacia las principales ciudades 
del Ecuador.

Algunas entidades ecuatorianes tiene actualmente accesso a la red Usenet. 
Sin embargo Usenet es solo una subred del Internet.

En Julio pasado, cuando estuve en Quito, conoci que 
un banco ecuatoriano a donado canales telefonicos al consorcio de
Universidades y Escuelas Politecnicas del pais. 
Tecnicos ecuatorianos estaban en el proceso de installar CISCO routers [1]
en Quito y Guayaquil.
Los canales telefonicos son de tipo communicacion satelital, que aunque 
trabajan a velocidades muy por debajo de los de fibra optica, por ahora
son suficientes. (En el futuro, deberemos hablar con Fidel y Edelmiro para
ver si se puede tender cables de fibra optica desde Miami hasta Venezuela
para luego continuar por los Andes hasta la Patagonia).   Este tipo de 
tecnologia permite la transmicion de imagenes digitizadas, por lo que la
conversacion con imagen (o la realidad virtual) se harian una realidad.

Esperamos en un futuro no muy lejano, leer mensajes desde el Ecuador.
Mi primera sugerencia seria recyclar ideas del mismo grupo.
Se me ocurren dos:
Noticol de Colombia.  De paso quisiera felicitar a la gente de la Universidad
de los Andes. No se si la Universidad apoya la idea formalmente.
Ese es un trabajo que los ecuatorianos deberiamos copiar inmediatamente. 

Tambien podriamos copiar el formato de las noticias de David Sangurima de igc. 
(Nota para David: Sangu, you are rigth on the money !!).

Cambiando de tema, quisiera dar mi opinion (Aunque nadie me la ha pedido)
respecto a formar el groupo soc.politics.latinoamerica.
Creo que deberia formarse dos subrupos:
.latinoamerica.rigth 
.latinoamerica.left 
:-) :-} =) ^)
:-] B-)
8-}
Chiste, ja ja 

Galo 
ecuatoriano/latino en Atlanta.

[1] computadores que hacen el direccionamiento de nodos transparente
    para los usuarios. Esta nota no esta endorsando ninguna marca, el
    nombre del router lo damos como referencia.
From: ep1c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Esther Carenzo Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Periodico para la biblioteca de CMU
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cedDTAu00VAuApmUcP
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Modern Languages, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A todos los Latinoamericanos:

Un grupo de estudiantes estamos pensando ver si es posible obtener la
subscripcion de un periodico latinoamericano para la biblioteca de CMU. 
El proposito es el de obtener un periodico directo de Latinoamerica.  

El proposito de este mensaje es el de solicitar nombres de periodicos a
los cuales podamos solicitar subscripcion.  Necesitamos:
a) nombre del periodico
b) pais y ciudad de origen
c) direccion
d) costo 
e) si es posible, que tipo de periodico es en su opinion (conservadora,
liberal, etc.)

Cualquier informacion sera muy agradecida. 

Esther
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: more on columbus forum
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:44:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Sep3.164410.26355
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


Thanks Ray for the article on Cuba's remaining Jews.

You neglected to mention that the article talks about how the
community has grown a little since Castro liberalized his
anti-religion stance, some individuals associated with the
government have begun to restore ties to the Jewish community.

		Seth Rosenthal
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Nicaragua
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:24:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Dice Ruben:

>he leido bastante articulos `de dudosa moral' ultimamente pero este
>se gana el oscar!

[articulo borrado]

Gracias por tus comentarios Ruben; pero en vista de quen se refiere en nada
a la sustancia del mi dos articulos orinales sobre el tema he decidido
archivarlo en mi file de "hate mail" y no contestarlo.

Edelmiro
From: entiendo@flab.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (entiendo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: How is Pereira(in Columbia) ? (In English)
Keywords: Colubia, Bogota, Pereira, Sightseeing
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:19:27 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan


Hi !
I have plan to go to Pereira(maybe incorrect, sorry I am not sure) in Columbia 
next winter. 
But I have no knowledge about Columbia.
Could anybody tell me about Pereira ?
(sorry,I am not sure whether  spell is O.K., but Pereira is near to Bogota)

-- gracias
-- entiendo@flab.fujitsu.co.jp