HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: BBS packages/replies
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:46:00 GMT

Darrin J. Redick (djredick@bluemoon.use.com) wrote:
: achauhan@warsaw.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan) writes:
: > Roy Barrett writes

: > > Morgan, ttyth, Proline costs $250, and I really don't see the point of
: > > it. Why don't you explain to me why it's so great.. ;) (I think it was
: > > $250).

: Can I answer?  Because you are basically getting UNIX in a box...a very
: small Well, what about those users who don't use UNIX (like me)?  I can't 
: justify spending $250 for something that I'm not going to use to the
: fullest.  ProLine would be worth it for me if I used UNIX, but I don't.

Wel, I'm not even going to try to mess with that quoting....whatever you're
using to post is messing w/ the line lengths....

No one said you had to even be knowledgeable about UNIX to use ProLine..it
simply offers SOME of the power and flexiblity that UNIX offers.  There's
no reason for you or any of your users to ever touch the shell...it's there
if you ever want to venture into it...but there are other, EASIER ways to
use the system.

Amrit

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: paw@ausom.oz.au (Peter Watson)
Subject: Re: Future of the II line
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: paw%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:

>Where did you get the "news" that there would be no new major System
>Software releases?  I've never heard Apple say that (I don't expect them,
>but I've never heard Apple say there wouldn't be any).

I know I heard Tim Swihart say there would be no _MAJOR_ new releases of GS
system software - at KansasFest this year! He claimed (and I believe him!)
that System 6 took about two years and many people to create - and Apple will
simply not commit that much effort again for Apple II software.

There will continue to be, for the immediate future, update versions of the
OS such as the forthcoming 6.01. Basically, these releases will be for :

a) hardware compatibility (eg. the EtherNet card - the main reason for 6.01)
b) enhancements and fixes (as Dave Lyons (mostly) gets time!)

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From: sander@carroll1.cc.edu (Scott Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RamFAST & GS/OS cache
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:45:27 GMT
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

All comp.sys.apple2 posts are archived at wuarchive.wustl.edu .
          
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: WindowShade Mac init
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:43:13 GMT

I saw something interesting today. It is a control panel for the Mac called
WindowShade. With it, double-clicking on a window's title bar makes it shrink
to the size of _just_ the title bar. It can help with cluttered desktops. Would
anyone like to see it for the IIGS?
 
 -Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 65816 based on new RISC chip??
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:25:30 PST
Organization: BBS

I first heard about this chip in BYTE.  This posts has a little more
details...  Does Zip know about it?  It'll be really nice to see it be used
on the GS.  Or better yet, in the Avatar, which don't have the slow 1 mhz
I/O limit.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

#1458 comp.sys.next.hardware 3k
From: bruce@pages.com (Bruce Henderson)
Subject: New RISC chip  / IMS 3250
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:59:59 GMT

OK,

I can't say much about the chip because I am under non disclosure... But what
I can say is this:

The chip is the IMS 3250
It is made by
International Meta Systems, Inc.
23842 Hawthorne Blvd, #200
Torrance, CA 90505
Phone (310) 375-4700
FAX (310) 378-7643

Some gibblies on the chip:

Superscaler RISC
        2 instructions per clock peak, average of 1.5 instructions per clock
        Average 90 raw MIPS for the 60MHz part.

Emulation
        On chip ROM contains 3250 native microcode, 80486 microcode, and 68040
        microcode.
        (There seems to be a lot more room on the ROM for other microcode
        chunks like SPARC, or custom instructions.  Here's a teaser....
        What if an objective-C message pass (a somewhat computationally
        expensive thing) was a processor level thing, and say happened in
        3 clocks?  Or say they microcode a lot of mach low level stuff into
        silicon....)

Other neat items...
        1)      The chip is only 50,000 gates... So it is small, and can
        esily fit in ASIC standard cells.
        (What does this mean?  Well, say you had one of these things that
        was microcode tuned for Mach, and another for Display Postscript,
        and say another for DMA and another for I/O.  Then you build an ASIC
        with 4 of these cells on it and put it in a NeXT.  Think of all of
        the grunge the CPU no longer has to deal with.....)

        2)      Only dissapates 1.5 Watts, that isn't much so it may be rather
        useful for building things like NeXT poratbles or laptops.

        3)      IMS seems to be interested in a cost to vendors of around
        $45.00 per part. (as compared to the cost of a 50MHz 486...)

So for more information, contact IMS.  I don't work for them, but I do believe

that there are ways that this chip could be used to improve performance of NeXT

hardware.  (Really.... 50,000 gates and loadable microcode...)

Some of you are going to ask what the SPEC marks are, and that is the kind of
stuff I can't talk about.... Sorry.

I tend to think if this thing as a "Nano-processor"  Meaning that you write
some micro instructions for the little beast that makes it perfect of some
meanial job like talking to hard disks or handling VM and then you burn it into

a 100 pin flat pack ASIC and it makes your life easier.

Hope this helps

Bruce H (not Webster)

PS.  If you call, tell them you heard it from me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: uemacs311c
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:16:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toronto (Scarborough) Computing Services

The following revelation escaped sab121@cunyvm.cuny.edu's lips:
>
> Argh!  Well, guess it's time to archive them up again, and this time I will
> NOT binscii them, but instead will place them on ccosun

    Do you have documentation for 3.11c that's readable with a standard
80-column editor?  Reformatting the docs that were on comp.binaries
would be a nightmare, so I'm back to using the 3.10 docs (which fit more
or less nicely in 80 columns).
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 09:19:25 MST
From: <AUJGH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Hard Drives for Apple IIGS
 <jmk3.721938991@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>

>>From: TBARNER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Hard Drives for Apple IIGS

>>Some people use the quantum
>>drive with a scsi but most say it wears out their IIGS power supply in a
>>short time

>That's totally untrue.
>
> -Jay. jay.krell@cornell.edu

  Powering a quantum (or possibly any) hard drive off your disk port can be
detrimental to a stock power supply.  After a few months mine refused to
give the drive enough power to start up.
  Now i have a heavy duty supply and i could actually use the old supply
to run the drive if i could find the right connector for the drive.

   greg       aujgh.asuvm.inre.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ericm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Mulholland)
Subject: Re: ProTERM still locks up
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:45:40 GMT

sbennett@gnh-starport.cts.com (Stephen Bennett) writes:
>If that doesn't help, it's possible that it's a problem in your TransWarp, or
>some other piece of your system hardware -- as inconvenient as I know it is,
>you might try pulling various system accessories, and see if that helps... 

I have been running at 12mhz for the past month and have had almost no
problems with Proterm.  I think by booting directly into Prodos 8 and
running Proterm solves most if not all of the problems.  I have Smartboot
8/16 installed and depending on the caps lock key, I boot into GS/OS
or Prodos 8.  It really works out nice.
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From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Re: Genie Gateway charges?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:33:20 GMT

From article <1992Nov18.013748.19779@nysernet.org>, by astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein):
> <KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>>Does the Genie person get charged upon receipt or sending of mail or both?
> 
> Both.


My GEnie LiveWire that arrived today says:

A subscription costs $9.95/month. Incoming mail is included, while
outgoing mail is charged to your GEnie account at ONLY
$.40/message. So, have your internet friends mail you, however, don't
get carried away mailing to them. Seriously, if you receive and send 10
messages/month the total = $13.95 = approx $.70/message. Pretty high
when you consider U.S. Mail or your favorite long distance carrier.
-- 

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		To know, and not to do, is not yet to know
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: WANTED: SCSI Tape Drive
Keywords: tape 40mb scsi
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:32:38 GMT


m: bellaire@cs.tulane.edu (TV's Steve)
>Subject: WANTED: SCSI Tape Drive

>I am interested in getting a tape drive for my IIgs.

If you can find one, the Apple Tape Drive will work. It is 40 MB, slow, and discontinued. Else, TMS sells 150 MB Teac tape drives. They had a 60 MB model, but I don't think they sell it any longer. I'm pretty sure Archiver won't work with the Teac drives. You should buy Tim Grams's GSTape. The RamFAST will work out of the box with the Teac (and Apple, I think) drives with the included software.

 - Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Multiple Applications on IIGS
Summary: Oh-ho!
Keywords: IIGS multifinder
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:34:17 GMT

Remember the rumors that WestCode was working on a "MultiFinder" for the
IIGS?  Then remember hearing that it was cancelled?  Well, Alan Bird
posted the prototype version on AOL recently and _it works!_

I've already tried it, and had the Finder, Teach, and AppleWorks GS all
going at once (NOT multitasking, but instantly switchable).  It puts a
menu in the upper-right corner of the menu bar, which allows you to look
at memory stats for each application, launch applications, and add
applications to the menu for future use.

It's a tiny little CDev (about 15K, I think).  Alan Bird does note that it
is _not_ a final product (it's freeware), and is not supported by WestCode
- he asks bug reports to be directed to him.  But the blasted thing seems
to work (mostly - I did have trouble with fonts not scaling right in AWGS
with Pointless, but that's happened before anyway).

Give it a try!  It's fun to look at, if nothing else. :)

- Eric S.

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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Smartport Questions
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:23:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov17.074802.8769@iscsvax.uni.edu> recker1763@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>How do I get the value for UnitNum in a SmartPort call from ProDOS 8?
>I want to issue a smartport call from the last used device?

There is no defined mapping from ProDOS 8 device number to SmartPort slot +
unit number.

The only guaranteed way I can think of is what I did in the Davex "eject"
command:  Read block 2 of all units on all SmartPort cards until you find
the disk with the right ProDOS volume name.
-- 
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Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:38:03 EST
From: <KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Genie Gateway charges?

Does the Genie person get charged upon receipt or sending of mail or both?

Ken
From: jmarkus@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: NuLib on MSDOS in C++
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:07:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi!

I recently FTPed a copy of NuLib 3.2 for my DRDOS machine.  The
docs say that the code was written under Microsoft C.  I tried
to compile the program under Borland C++ by changing the makefile
(nulib.mak) to a Borland compatible version.  I had no success though
as of yet in completing the compilation of the program.

I am not very fluent in C or C++ (understatement) so I have no ability
to port the Microsoft C version to Borland C++.  I also do not have
access to any Microsoft C compilers so I am stuck.  

Does anyone have a precompiled version of NuLib 3.2 for PC's?  Or
does anyone have the code for a Borland C++ version?  Or is there
a freeware Microsoft C compiler out there that I could FTP?  Or would
some kind sole who has Microsoft C and is able to FTP nulib 3.2 be able
to compile a DOS version and post it on at an FTP site?

Once again, thank you very much!
--
Jeff Markus      <----->      jmarkus@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
"Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.  Don't stop, it'll soon be here!"
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: A+/InCider article:  ACK!
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:16:12 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <9FPauB7w165w@bluemoon.use.com> slhood@bluemoon.use.com (Stephen L. Hood) writes:
>
>Another award went to GS/OS 6.0 for "Best Missed Opportunity".  The 
>reviewer claims that GS/OS 6.0 (which the rest of the world calls System 
>6) "should have taken a couple more pages from the Mac's System 7.  The 
>latter, for instance, can quickly create an alias for any docuement or 
>program..."  This is an intolerable statement.  It infuriates me that Mr. 
>Keizer can be so foolish and shortsighted.  He completely overlooks the 
>HFS FST's merits, mentioning it in the middle of a sentence that resolves 
>by stating that Apple "missed the opportunity".
>
Intolerable?  Why? Simply because the author prefers System 7 to the
GS' system 6?  Please explain.

>
>The HFS FST, coupled with the soon-to-be-released MS-DOS FST, allows the 
>GS to access the most popular and common disk formats.  However, even the 
>glorious System 7 cannot directly read lowly ProDOS disks -- you first 
>have to go to Apple File Exchange and wait about ten times as long to copy 
>a file as you would to copy a Mac file to the IIGS.

Wrong -- an Apple-written init called "ProDOS File System" lets you read
ProDOS disks directly from the Mac desktop.  It's available free from
ftp.apple.com.

>
>I personally want nothing more of the Mac OS than aliasing.  The scrolling 
>thumbs on the Mac do not resize according to the size of the document, 
>creating a very non-intuitive interface.  Folding sharing on the IIGS 

According to "Tog on Interface", proportional scroll bars are more confusing
for the new user than those that don't change size.  I don't much care
either way.
>
>Mr. Kreizer's writings have been much more productive and objective in the
>past.  Indeed, "Briding the Gap" has been one of the very few tangible 
>products of the incorporation of Mac support into A+/InCider.  However, I 
>am now quite disappointed by what I feel can only be the result of the 
>influence of a new chief editor.
>
>I am upset by this unprofessionalism and intend to write a letter to the 
>editor.  Watch for it, folks.  If it even appears, I'll be surprised if I 
>recieve a reply.
>
"Unprofessionalism"?  It doesn't seem unprofessional to me.

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GNO makes Prism obsolete (Re: Editors)
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:50:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toronto (Scarborough) Computing Services

The following revelation escaped Jawaid Bazyar's lips:
>
>   Yes, this is indeed an unabashed plug, but I'm looking at how
> Marks' productivity can be substantially increased.

    You forgot to mention that everyone can find out more about the GSI
NDA and GNO by subscribing to comp.sys.apple2.gno... ;-)
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From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fast modems and the SSC
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:10:11 GMT
Organization: BBS

Sequential Systems have a SSC compatible card out...  has anyone used this
beast?  Does it have the same problems that the SSC is having; the hardware
handshaking problem...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Subject: Re: Artillery
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:52:54 GMT

In <1992Nov19.160031.9121@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
behrenss@hphalle6.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>jcportwood@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu wrote:
>
>: Has any one ever heard of the game Artillery.  The last time I saw it was
>: around five years ago.  The game has two sides red/blue and you fire back and
>: forth between each other.
>
>Uhuh. I remember that, one of the first games ever written ... you had to type
>in angle and amount of powder, correct? And there was a mountain and wind
>blowing? I am positive this exists as a PD Basic version, and I am also sure
>that there is C source to this (text version) somewhere ... after all, that
>was one of the first games on Unix ;-)
>
>Soenke
The C source comes w/ ORCA/C 1.3....
I have a BASIC version, and I wish I knew what its status is.
BTW: is anyone interested in writing/having written a Scorched Earth type of
game (that is, an extended/super Artillery)? I sure would, and if I get to
my intended learning of GS graphics/assembly, I would undertake it.



>--
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>(RACTER)                                   !  FIDO: 2:246/13 Soenke Behrens
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:19:32 EST
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: PD communication programs

In article <kg82707@pro-nsdapple.cts.com>, tomk@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Tom Kelly)
says:
>
>In <01GR7RBAJJQ88Y7MS5@ALBION.BITNET> AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET writes:
>
>>Does anyone know of any public domain VT100 programs that support Xmodem.
>>I am trying to download nontext files from ccosun.caltech.edu with TIC but
>>the it says that the file is transfered after a few blocks.  I have a IIGS
>>with an internal Prometheus modem.  Thanks.
>
>Have you tried Zlink?  I believe it does VT100.

I would suggest Kermit, from columbia university, and most likely available
from your local Apple users group, or else buy a copy of proterm as it is
worth it! Another one that is interesting but not quite complete yet (Jawaid,
put some more time into this thing! I love not having to run P8 apps! :)
is TelCom, which is available on pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu.  I like it because
it is fast (from what I see it's faster than proterm, at least under the
orca shell, as I haven't yet been able to scratch up the money to buy GNO.)
and is fairly friendly.

...Sal
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: 4MB Ram cards... Which one(s)?
Keywords: RAM
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:58:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.085223.4053@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>
>There's also a brand new one which I haven't heard about before called
>the CV-RAM...  It comes with 4 MB (for $185 from TMS Peripherals, (800)
>275-4867) and supposedly can hold up to 8MB on board using 1x4 DRAMS.

	Hmm, one of the guys from TMS told me about this card.  It has
4 megs of zipps (?, the chips the S&S card has), and 4 simm slots for
a total of 8 megs total.

>(__)  Grover Thomas             InterNet:  grover@emunix.emich.edu  (__

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
America On_Line:  DWS Steve
Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kentm@aix.rpi.edu (Michael V. Kent)
Subject: Re: Scanlines??
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.110258.29066@cis.ohio-state.edu> meekins@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins) writes:
>
>So, is is possible to change the palette halfway across a scanline,
>resulting in 32-color (actually, 16 colors on the left, 16 colors on the
>right)?
>
>The answer is no for two reasons:
>
>3. I only said two reasons, but here's a 3rd :) You can't read the
>   horizontal position accurtely, so the point of palette change on
>   a scanline could be quite a few pixels off, making the colors change 
>   at the wrong place.

I make no quibbles about points one and two, but I've seen some damned im-
pressive border animation that was only a few pixels wide.  FTA's Split
Demo was impressive, but there was another group whose name escapes me at
the moment who did things even more impressive.  Isn't the same horizontal
positioning used for border animation as would be for palette switching?

Mike

-- 
Michael Kent                                   kentm@rpi.edu
McDonnell Douglas                              Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

Tute Screwed Aero Class of '92                              Apple II Forever !!