HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Chilero@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Chilero)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike Nashbar
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:16:02 -0500

Yeah, I've been dealing with Nashbar for a while now, and have gotten superb
service, and pretty quick, too. I think their prices are durn good, and if you
have a problem with their merchandise, you canreturn it, N.Q.A.! I'll vouch for
'em! (Now, where's my discount, Nashbar? ;-)   ).

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:52:33 GMT

Dick King writes:

> This is puzzling.  I've heard it before.
> All wheels have a multiple of four spokes.
> Why isn't the four pronged version standard?

The transmitter ring fits on one side of the wheel that with 36 spokes
has 18 spokes per side.  18 is not a multiple of 4 although most spoke
combinations 24, 32, 40, 48 take four prongs, 24, 36, 48 take three
prongs and 28 takes three or four approximately because there is enough
space between spokes on the hub to fudge.

A clean alternative is to cut all the tabs off and use a ring of two
sided 1/8" thick foam tape as is done on disk wheels.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: RAAM news
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:26:16 GMT


Updates current at 9pm Sunday night.

Seanna Hogan is blazing away in the women's field. Last night she was
almost 1/3 of the way through the course. She is averaging 298 miles
per day, 12.5 miles per hour. 

Bonnie Allison (age 50) and Debbie Turner were a little over 170 miles
back. Amy Regan was over 250 miles back. Amy was over 200 miles back
the first day, so it appears that whatever problems she had initially
may have been resolved. Beth Dawson has dropped, reportedly due to
knee problems.

In the men's field, there are four riders up front fighting it out.
They are Rob Kish (2 time runner up), Bob Fourney (2 time winner),
Dave Kees, and Paul Solon (1989 winner and record holder).

A long list of men are still in the race. Maybe I'll type them all in
sometime.

The mixed tandem division is a real horse race, with 15 miles
separating the two teams of Antionette and David Addison, and Claire
Reitman and Ricky Wray Wilson.

The men's tandem team od Haldeman and Breedlove is also setting the
course on fire, but reports indicate that Nick Gerlich and Roger
Mankus have recovered from earlier problems and are back on course.

Anyone with any more info, please post. Does anyone know what happened
to John Stamstad? Did he start?

For Daily race reports call 1-900-454-BIKE at $.95 per minute. 
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From: simmon@eeel.nist.gov (Eric Simmon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:21:17 GMT

Let's look at the positive side of things.
Cycling coverage on TV does seem to be improving (slightly).

Compare this coverage to past Olympic coverage:

A.	NO gymnastics, diving, volleyball or anything else
	in the middle!  (this is a major plus, you didn't 
	have to watch 3 hours of coverage to see 3 minutes of cycling).

B.	They showed the important race moves.  ie. attempted
	breakaways, Inga crashing, successful breakaways, the
	chase.  (this meant at least you could figure out what 
	was going on).

Eric Simmon

simmon@eeel.nist.gov
 
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From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
In-reply-to: jclee@athena.mit.edu's message of Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:44:39 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:27:49

In article <1992Jul22.014439.2876@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:

   Hiya folks,

   I've got a Fuji Suncrest that I've customized with Bar Ends, Smoke Kevlar
   tires, Performance stem, XT brake levers, and LowFat pedals.  It already
   has a TCO seat post, and a cheap Fuji seat.  However, the bike
   still weights a ton (28/29 lbs)!  I'm a tallish (6'0"), ultra skinny
   guy (135 lbs) so I like it light.  Was wondering if there's anything else I
   can do to drop weight, besides getting a new frame.  Not interested in Ti
   or other mega expensive stuff.  I've shelled out the dough for the above
   upgrades only because I know I can hack them onto my second bike.  I don't
   want to get a new bike yet.  I don't have the dough,

Go for an American Classic seatpost ($39.99) and a Selle Italia Flite
Titanium seat ($74.99). I put this combo on my road bike for a weight
savings of about 1/2 lb, maybe more. These prices are from Colorado
Cyclist. Some mail order places are advertising the Flite for less
than $60; check VeloNews.

New wheels with good rims and XT hubs might give you substantial
weight savings, and will be a fun project if you build them yourself.

These items will be fairly easy to transfer to another bike. However,
it doesn't sound like your current bike is hopeless. If the frame is
chro-moly, don't hesitate to customize the shit out of it.

	 and I figure that in
   a couple years, frame materials will be better understood and hopefully
   better/cheaper.

Doubtful.


--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: meinel@aerospace.aero.org (Ed Meinel)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:27:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.200045.10752@gtephx.UUCP> corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ 
Corfman) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul27.151143.1904@aero.org>, meinel@aerospace.aero.org 
(Ed Meinel) writes:
>>> 
>>> What happened to teamwork in this race (except for the Australians  
>>> -- way to go!)?
>> 
>> What teammates do you mean? 
>> The teams consisted of a whopping two riders.
> Well, guess I screwed up. The teams were made up of three riders.

And then Russ screws up again...

> I don't know if this would help much though, 
> women race in such a bizarre manner.

Wow! What an attitude. 

Ed (meinel@aerospace.aero.org)
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:33:18 GMT

John Black writes:

> Unfortunately, a lot of these numbers don't really give a true feeling for the
> climb since, for example, a climb could be 10% for 10km and then 2% for 10km
> and I would list it as "6% for 20km" which completely loses the killer 10km 10
> section in the numbers.  But I thought it contained some useful information
> nonetheless, so I decided to post it.

This is as bad as repeating a rumor you know to be without foundation, the
information is at least as bad as your example.  The Galibier should show
a final ascent of 13% on the south and 8% on the north where it masquerades
as the Telegraph for half of its climb.  The same is true of nearly all of
the climbs listed.  I have not experienced them all but the ones I have
ridden are completely misleading from this table.

Classic in this respect is Sonora Pass in California that is extremely steep
with 20% grades but also an approach of 100 miles from Sonora (city) which
when averaged results in 7400 ft in 1000 miles.  A real pussycat of a ride
when seen that way.  Sonora is truly the beginning of the climb with many
false summits and valleys on the way to the 9600 ft summit.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:42:49 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids

Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
> Press release from the Ontario Ministry of Transportation
> July 23, 1992
>
> Ontario supports bicycles as a transportation alternative
[stuff deleted]
 
>"Bicycle safety through public education will continue to be a priority
>for my ministry," said Pouliot. "We encourage cyclists of all ages to wear
>bicycle helmets to reduce injuries and fatalities and anticipate that
>helmet use will eventually be mandatory."

I think bicycle helmets are a great idea, and I think that all "serious"
bicyclists (defined as bicyclists who do a lot of road riding, racing, or who
go very fast) should wear one. But I would hate to see them mandatory, it
would really put a damper on just taking my bike down to the store, or going
for a leisurely evening ride.  

As for the rest of the article, it's about time they did something to help the
bicylists. Getting rid of a few potholes would be nice... :)

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org
ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: FAQ
Keywords: world championship
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:51:37 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

If the proposed split is approved in any form, will there be more than one
FAQ? Will a single FAQ be posted to all groups?

Just stirring the s**t a little.

Gary
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lmf1t@kronos.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Lindsay M. Faunt)
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Keywords: Yakima, Thule, gutterless, Paseo
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:45:45 GMT

Has anyone found a car top bike rack for a Toyota Paseo?  The trunk rack
I used on my Z won't go over the Paseo's trunk and spoiler, so I'm look-
ing for a roof rack for a gutterless roof.  I believe the Tercel has a
similar roof.  Please reply by e-mail.  Thanks.

Lindsay

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From: francois@usenet.umr.edu (Why ya askin?)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike prices in Bay Area vs Boston
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:15:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: umriscc.5518
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

looking for Steven K. Roberts
owner of BEHEMOTH
please respond francois@clciris.chem.umr.edu
or	       francois@ibm530.chem.umr.edu
or	       francois@cs.umr.edu

thanx
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Bike Paths/Lanes
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:56:23 GMT

In <13245@pogo.wv.tek.com> nathanh@pogo.wv.tek.com (Nathan Hult) writes:

>Now in Seattle, WA there are two long "Bike Paths" that are much better than 
>the ones in Portland.  The Burke-Gilman Trail and the Sammamish River Trail 
>both find ways to avoid most off the stoplights and intersections.  The trails 
>also are designed for faster speeds, but once again you are quite frequently 
>slowed down by pedestrians or joy bike riders. However, I can get a decent 
>workout on these paths most of the time if I avoid the high pedestrian hours.  
>Basically these two paths almost meet my definition of a good bike path.  

The B-G trail may be designed for higher speeds, but don't tell the
County that.  

King County sets a 15 mph maximum speed limit on all official bike 
trails, and lowers this to 10 mph in areas with poor visibility 
or high ped/bike traffic.  Few of the "serious" bicyclists on 
the trail seem to know about or obey this law, of course, but 
it does suggest that the County knows that "serious" riding 
should be done on roads designed for vehicles, not uncontrolled
mixes of bikes, pedestrians, rollerbladers, little kids on tricycles,
etc.
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From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:27:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul27.172751.453
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>In rec.bicycles, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
>>*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport.
>
>    I especially liked the way they cut to "Dick Enbergers Moments"
..
LOTS of _funny_ stuff deleted
..
>a pitch. Tell the viewers that "we'll have more of the same tommorow!" 
>(As if that was enticing...) Cut to the 60 second version of nifty graphics 
>with horn music. More commercials.
>
>BAH! No wonder they lose money.
>
>Tim Smith

Well, at least everyone else is a irritated about the IWRR coverage as I was.
When the local news came on at 10:30 PM (Pacific), I set the VCR on record and
went to bed.  Now my wife says that the coverage in this mornings paper only
told about the _American_ (including Canadian) women finished.  Nothing about
the race, or how it ended or who _won_!
Aaarghh
Aarghh
Aarghh

And now the sound of NBC's Olympic coverage program director being
strangled (to the tune of "You fill up my senses" by John Denver):

"You messed up my Olympics ....  Acckckk"
                                   ^ Choking strangling noise as if garroted.
                                   

And why can't they tell us what TIME things will be?  Does ESPN put out a
schedule that says "we'll cover the NASCAR 500 (is there such a thing?)
sometime between noon and 6:00 pm, you'll just have to watch _all_ of our
programming during that time to find out when, ha ha ha hahahaha...."

Hey, this is fun!  We found someone to flame besides each other!


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Who makes 8-speed freewheels?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:16:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

Sach-Huret has an 8-speed freewheel on the market that is
compatable with DuraAce STI and Campi Ergopower.

I think this is the only one so far.
From: jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF: First American Mountain stage win
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:28:24 GMT
Reply-To: jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley)
Organization: ICL Computers Limited, EDS Project

TDF stages are of 5 types (as classified for green jersey points) -

	Mountain
	Hilly
	Flat
	ITT (& prologue)
	TTT

It might be true that Lemond won Hilly stages before but perhaps not
mountainous (although in my eyes the joint finish with Hinault should have
been classified as a draw). I don't know what criteria they use, but this
year mountain stages were definitely the 2 big ones, stages 11 and 12, 1
and 2 were all hilly and they had some fair climbs in - so my bets are
that the Superbagneres and/or Aix-le-Bains (I cannot remember them, but
I will trust the other netters) could well have been hilly stages 
leaving Pyrennes and Alps respectively.

This all hypothesis; does anyone know how many official mountain stages
there are in this years event?

Anybody else impressed with Vona - 2 2nd places on the hardest stages, I
hadn't heard of him before.

Jaermann was likewise impressive the way he kept up with Delgado, I seem
to remember the runner up in last years green jersey having a similar name,
anyone remember?

What can you say about Lino, after his inspired performance in the last
ITT, he could give Hampsten a run for his money. Looks like he took over
Luc Leblanc's mantle from last year as top French outsider!
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: slight catch/cough in chest (velodrome racer)
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:25:17 GMT

I race in the Northbrook Velodrome and for the past week and a half I 
have had sort of a cough or catch in my chest once in a while when I 
breath. And once in a while I go into a coughing spell.  I have no cold
symptomes. What is it?  What can I take over the counter that won't hurt
my performance?
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: Need advice on frame size
In-reply-to: scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU's message of 21 Jul 92 15:17:47 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
	<MOORE.92Jul14130458@defmacro.cs.utah.edu>
	<1992Jul21.030231.29690@tfs.com>
	<1992Jul21.151747.253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:07:16

In article <1992Jul21.151747.253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> scl@sasha.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Losen) writes:

   In article <1992Jul21.030231.29690@tfs.com>, jeff@tfs.com (Jeff Houston)
   writes:
   |> In article <MOORE.92Jul14130458@defmacro.cs.utah.edu>
   moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore) writes:
   |> >and position (more forward than Greg's). In fact, they specifically
   |> >criticize the LeMond position as being optimized for his mutant
   |> >thighs.
   |> 
   |> Davis Phinney saying that Lemond has mutant thighs?  Well, he does
   ride fast
   |> but if you look at Davis Phinney he's the guy with mutant sized
   thighs.

   The Phinney/Carpenter recommendation would make sense if Lemond's
   thighs were proportionally longer than average.  I don't think we are
   talking about girth here.

Phinney/Carpenter claim that Lemond does have longer thighs than
average. Sorry if that wasn't clear from my post.

Incidently, I really like the Phinney/Carpenter book, "Training for
Cycling". It covers bike fit, training, diet, and little else.
There's a small chapter on race tactics, and the requisite bios of
Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter. It's interesting to contrast this
book (1992) with Lemond's (1987) and Eddie B.'s (1983?)

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"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:20:59 GMT

Randy O'Neal writes:

> Jobst, I seem to remember something from the FAQ or perhaps simply from
> a post of yours that indicated motorcycle chain lubricants were one of the
> better alternatives for lubing a chain.

I use "Chain Lube" an M/C chain lubricant that comes in an orange 4oz
can.  It has a volatile solvent that suspends a brown slime that looks
something like the grease with which new chains are packaged.  It
penetrates well, dries and is easily wiped clean with a rag, after which
it doesn't bleed out and make a dirty chain.  It seems to work well even
in wet weather, not vanishing entirely as do things like motor oil or
the more common spray on's.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: olevnmr@chem.ualberta.ca (olevnmr)
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:36:03 GMT

jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer) writes:

>In article <1682D7911.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

> >  ...and do it OUTDOORS! Yeah, *you* know, but a lot of people don't.
> >A friend in the military demolition business told me of a film he once
> >saw in which a cup of gasoline was placed in the second story of an old
> >house, and a lit candle placed on the ground floor. After a moderate
> >delay, BOOM. Blew the entire house apart. Impressive, eh?

>I would stay away from gas and similar
>short-chain (no pun intended) hydrocarbon substances.  Unless you
>rinse them *really* well, they leave traces that just breakdown your
>lub as soon as you put it on.

I can't imagine what traces short hydrocarbons would leave on a chain.
Shorter than, say, decane (10 carbon chain) and the stuff should evaporate.
Longer than that, and it will approach a light oil itself. Now if I recall,
the original poster mentioned white gas (coleman fuel) This is _strictly_
a light hydrocarbon fraction, and should be a great solvent. Gasoline,
however, has detergents, enhancements, and other gunk added, and this could
be the source of your residual gunkies. Unless that's it, I'm at a loss.
 
Of course, you _could_ just not be cleaning your chain well enough... :-)
 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:23:19 -0400 
From: Ian J Gardner <ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bad Accident - Bad Cops
	<1992Jul29.171627.13429@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na

Not to really start a flame-fest, just to merely draw an analogy:

> You absolutely right.  My big problem is that one can't tell a
> good cop from a bad cop until it's too late.  Good and bad alike,
> they all hide behind their badges.

You are absolutely right.  A big problem is that one can't tell a good,
experienced cyclist from a bad, inexperienced cyclist until it's too
late.  Good and bad alike, they all ride bikes.

Basically, my point is:  Look at it the way the "other" people (those
who drive cars or are experienced cyclists) view cyclists.  If you've
had an experience with poor cyclists, you will never know if the next
one is going to cross in front of you.  Similarly, if you are the
cyclist receiving the brunt of "harassment" from the car driver who is
yelling at you, it may be because his last cyclist was a stupid one.

The moral is:  You never know about anything.  You never know if they
are good or bad (cops, cyclists, drivers, officials, etc), until you get
socked with a (accident, broken body, arrest warrant, etc).  Be careful.
 Be respectful.  There are always good and bad people, and sometimes
they switch places.  Live with it - it would be nice if there could be
100% "good" people in every field.  But, that wouldn't make life
interesting, now would it?  :)

This message isn't aimed at anyone in particular.

I support any effort to educate all people (police, drivers, CYCLISTS,
etc), regardless of occupation or interest in this field.

Just some things for you to chew upon.

				Ian Gardner
				ig00@andrew.cmu.edu
				Carnegie Mellon University
				Computer Science/Political Science


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