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From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Setting the Hook
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:22:42 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <530004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:
>> 
>> I mean, I hate it when I pull in an undersized trout who has swallowed
>> my hook.  I'd much rather just ease it out of his jaw and send him on
>> his way.  Is there something I can learn to do, to hook him there

>Typically, it's been my experience that fish which are caught on bait
>frequently tend to swallow everything, including the hook.  Fish which
>are caught by artificial flies tend to be hooked in the lip, although
>they do swallow flies on occasion.
>
...

You can increase your chances of lip hooking fish EVEN using bait if you 
always hold your rod in your hands, with your finger ON your fishing line,
or under it.. keep your rod tip pointing towards the water.

With trout, panfish, perch and most bottom fish, I hit as soon as I can feel
the bait move. If I keep missing the fish, I'll start counting to 3 before
striking.. Gut hook a fish, I go back to 1 second..

Bass, pike, pickerel, bluefish, stripers (I WISH) and other gamefish usually
stun the fish, then turn it around before they eat it. With these guys, you
have ot wait until the hook is inside their mouth. 

Oh, one last thing. You asked about "striking a fish". (no flames...)
I bring my rod tip up while reeling up any slack, then I "jab" with
a sharp upward movement of the rod .. don't be afriad to do this more than
once.. but keep the line tight. KEEP YOUR HOOKS SHARP! and good luck.

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: Day tickets on fine english chalk streams
Originator: jmd@tyrolia
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:00:37 GMT


Hello,
A recent note from over there indicated that the cost of flying to
Montana to fish was equivalent or nearly equivalent to the cost of buying
a day ticket on a fine English chalk stream. This boggled my mind enough
so that it was several days before I recovered enough to ask for details.

How much does it cost to fish on an English chalk stream? 
If necessary, use scientific notation.

thanks!
-john

John Danskin			|	Catch and Release?
(609) 258-5386			|	Don't ask too much.
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|	I can't even catch yet.

-- 
John Danskin			|	CS Grad student
(609) 258-5386			|	graphics & systems
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:52:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.181020.17529@menudo.uh.edu> HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A) writes:
>In <1992Aug26.162004.11920@linus.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org writes:
>> (stuff on palemr vs. matuka)

>... Unfortunately palmered hackle has a 
>tendency to unravel after a few strikes. Now I use a technique that was 
>shown to me by a tier a Orvis -- on a Wooley Bugger, for instance, before
>you wrap the chenille body, make a loop, place the hackle inside it, and then 
>twist the loop. Then wind the loop around the body and you will have a 
>much more durable fly.
>

Please tell us more about this hackle-in-chenille technique.  It sounds
like a modified dubbing loop (which is a good way to _make_ hackles out
of marabou fibers and hair), but I cazn't tell from your description.

Since snags usually get my flies before they endure many strikes (sigh),
I often ignore the problem with palmers.  (So long as the wing stays on
my elk hair caddises, it'll float well enough, provided the water isn't
too rough.)  But when I'm feeling workmanlike, I do one of two things
to reduce the unraveling:

- Counterwrap the hackle.  (Ie, tie in a length of thread or wire right
after tying in the hackle butt or tip (reverse palmers make elk-hairs 
float better and give a nice taper to woolies), wind the hackle normally
(clockwise), and then wind (and wiggle) the thread or wire counterclockwise
through the hackle, so that the stems and thread/wire repeatedly intersect).

- Or, especially with soft hackles like partridge, tie in the hackle and then
twist it, dubbing fashion, around the thread, then winding this combo.  (I
always do this when using peacock or pheasant herl for bodies, usually 
moistening the feather first to make it pliable.)  

Happy trails
bruce pencek
-- 
Bruce Pencek                     bpencek@nevada.edu
Political Science Dept           bpencek@nevada2.bitnet
University of Nevada, Las Vegas  (702) 739-3307
"Just because I work at UNLV, it doesn't mean I support basketball."
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Redfish and Hurricane Andrew
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:04:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Aug25.151717.34385@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
|Not to belittle the tragic aspects of Hurricane Andrew, but there
|are some benefits of these storms to fishing. Often, the fishing
|for redfish (and the "bull redfish") improves dramatically 
|in the Gulf of Mexico.

I bet the fish are just *flying* into the boats down there.
 
|This, of course, does not include the area of landfall. The LAST thing
|the people in the area of impact think about is fishing.

This reminds me of the earthquake we had here in Oct. '89.  About an hour
after the quake, after seeing power lines arcing, after seeing a car that
had driven through a bank window, after seeing every stoplight on every
intersection out, after taking 45 minutes to drive 10 miles, as I'm passing
through Los Gatos, here's this guy jogging up the road as if nothing has
happened.  Los Gatos was one of the hardest hit areas in the quake.  I know,
I live there.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: PEEING IN A WETSUIT.
Keywords: pee, wetsuit
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  1 Sep 92 04:17:27 GMT

peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:


>	"Now let's be careful out there."
>			   -- Hill Street Blues
>-- 
>Chris Peterson      

I appreciate your concern, and thank you for your comments.  I am aware of the
potential risks of hypothermia, and I get out before my state deteriorates very
far.  When I'm working like this I always have a tender on the boat, keeping an
eye on me.  Also, I only work in 2-4m depth (6-15'), and if in trouble I can
often stand up, or am in easy reach of the boat/tender.  I actually did
overstep the mark a bit, about 3 years ago, when my joints started locking up.
Now if I start getting cold I make a mental note to hop out within a half-hour,
and let my tender know about it; my point was just that peeing in the suit can
help a little with comfort, rather than lengthen your dive to unreasonable
lengths.  Again, thanks for your concern.

Mike van Keulen
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Information about advanced deep diving course wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:16:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: mksol.1992Sep4.161637.3749
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <Bu1n05.n03@news.orst.edu>, sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd) writes:
>   And suppose you were to be informed about an instructor who didn't
>   do as you suggest.  What would you do about it?  I bet there is
>   nothing you could do about it beyond waving your finger at them.  
We filed a complaint and things got "better".  I am not at liberty to discuss
my particluar instance.
>   
>   I am serious.  I hear this all the time.  If you hear of any
>   "official" instructor who doesn't follow the rules, tell me about it
>   and I'll fix him good.  Yet there are few if any evident safeguards
>   built into the system.  You'd have to prove the "violation", and you
>   could get sued for even alleging it without substantiation. 
>   Even another instructor from the same agency can do next to nothing
>   with a simple tale from a student.
Yes, it can be hard.  But if complaints get even a quick look from the agency,
things can improve.  It takes much more work, however, for them to get
"better".
>
>   I know of cases where known violations continue for years even after
>   such reports.  I know of instructors who openly put down other
>   instructors in their classes without being able to take any real
>   action.
>
>   All this because the whole thrus of diving agency legal structure is
>   designed to limit liability for what their people have organized.
But an agency which does establish and defend its standards can't protect its
members.

Maybe because I'm a new DM, I'm taking this ethics thing too seriously?
>
>   Steve
>-- 
>- Stephen M. Dodd, System Analyst, Oregon Extension Service
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>sdodd@oes.orst.edu          Internet          Oregon State University
>503-737-3550                                  Corvallis, OR 97331
>
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From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: So Cal diving 9/10-9/11
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:55:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <la5bk6INN8mr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emartini@karoshi.Eng.Sun.COM (Edward William Martini) writes:
>
>My brother and I are planning to travel to So Cal on Thursday and Friday of
>next week, and we were wondering if anyone knows of any charters or regularly
>scheduled trips to either the Channel Islands or Catalina on either day.
>
>Overnight trips would be considered.
>

Check out Argo Diving Services on Catalina.  John Hardy runs a small boat
operation that should be very good.

	Argo Diving Services
	P.O. Box 1201
	Avalon, CA 90704
	(213) 510-2208


John is a former executive director of NAUI.  He is the author of all of the
Jeppeson OW1 texts.  He's also a "big wig" with SSI.  John does a lot of
underwater photography and filming (Sea Hunt, 007, etc) and is an expert
witness in diving litigation.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                            peterson@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
From: Kelly Cunningham  (Random Deviate))
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:00:33 CST
Reply-To: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu
Distribution: world

In article <14452@mindlink.bc.ca>  
Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)writes:
>In article <frizzell.714338055@vincent1.iastate.edu>
>frizzell@iastate.edu (Jamie G Frizzell) writes:
>
>>How about the Oceanic Datamax dive computers (Sport or Pro)?  Does anyone
>>have any experiences, good or bad, with these computers.  I am considering
>>purchasing one, and was wondering what people thought of them.
>     What we like most about the Sport is its simplicity. 
> What really counts is the bar graph around
>the outside of the dial, which indicates your nitrogen loading.
>Keep that in the green and everything's cool.
>
>     Not having everything displayed at once is a bit of a
>disadvantage, but this is offset by the increased readability
>of what is shown.  

I don't consider this a disadvantage. I would rather not be inundated with  
information unless I need it. I consider the "dive time remaining" superfluous  
until the bar graph gets near a limit.  It only takes an instant to check the  
graph, so I can spend more time doing what I'm down there for.  The Source  
displays "bar-graph,dtr,depth" for twelve seconds followed by "bottom time" for  
three seconds.  About the only time I use the bottom time display is during  
safety-stops.  I don't really miss it.


>                   The only other disadvantage of this unit is
>that you have to remember to activate it before you enter the
>water.  

It would be nice if the thing activated automatically.

>     Once out of the water, you can recall your bottom time and
>maximum depth by pressing the single button.  

I was once concerned that the surface interval is not displayed.  I now see  
that it is essentially useless information when diving with a computer.

>     Several people have warned us against getting an air-integrated
>computer (such as the Datamax Pro).  Apparently the high-pressure
>transducer that reads your tank pressure is the weak point in such
>units.  We don't do decompression dives 

I agree.  Air consumption calculations are pretty useless if you don't need  
deco stops.  I not sure just what good they are in any case.  If you are low on  
air, then you are going to surface (or die).  Also, I can't see why someone  
would trust their depth AND air readings to ONE instrument.  (I also carry an  
independent depth gauge; I don't need an independent timer if I'm "in the  
green.")  

It could be better, but I like it.


>
>Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
>"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court


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Randomly, Kelly Cunningham 
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From: FKK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: ?diuretics and diving
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:48:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

A call to DAN* might answer your question with authority.  The number is
919-684-2948.  I also urge you to join.  Its inexpensive insurance
to cover emergencies, which, hopefully, will never arise - but -
things do go wrong.

Dive safe and rinse that wetsuit thoroughly!

 * Divers Alert Network.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Information about advanced deep diving course wanted
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:18:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.170103.14706@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:

>	The Mixed Gas Diving Specialty course covers ANDI (American 
>	Nitrox Diving, Inc.?) Nitrox I and Nitrox II, and the course
>	instructor must have successfully completed ANDI's instructor
>	course.

Please: IAND or ANDI Instructor certification are both accepted.  I
may start a flame war with this, and I don't mean to, but I'm really
getting the feeling that ANDI is the PADI of Nitrox.  Some factors:
Refusal to accept IAND cards for fills.  Shops requiring meaningless
O2 cleaning for NOAA Nitrox I and Nitrox II.  Too many C-cards, too
many steps.

-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:04:44 GMT
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Div. Det., Annapolis Facility

In article <1661@radius.com> brad.radius.com (brad may) writes:
>A consideration in choosing a dive computer which I haven't 
>seen discussed here is how closely your computer's models 
>approximate those of your dive buddies' computers.

>I own a Datamax Sport and like it a lot for my typical 
>California diving.  I recently went on a liveaboard trip to 
>Saba (Netherlands Antilles) with a group of divers who pre-
>dominantly use Orca Delphis or SkinnyDippers.

>To summarize, whereas I stayed higher than my buddy the 
>whole dive except for the amberjack excursion (and to wait 
>out deco stops), he was never very close to his no-deco 
>limit and I had *40 minutes* of deco time.  Apperently no 
>one else went into decompression, in spite of several people 
>being well below my max. depth.
>
>bmay@radius.com (Brad May)

The dive models should not be that much different.

I would advise you to get the Data Max Sport calibrated, and to
use the dive tables as a secondary (backup) system in any case.

I used a DataMax Sport for about two years, and when the batteries started
getting low, it started giving depth readings that were wrong.  Of course
this screws up the decompression calculations, and the whole thing is 
no good until the batteries are replaced.  Oceanic replaced them for 
free.

Mark Cervi
-- 
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    _ _ _ cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2261, (h) 410-647-0990
From: duane@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Duane Clark)
Subject: Re: Sharm-el-Sheikh info
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:36:45 GMT

udo@ubla.novalis.public.sub.org (Udo Blatzheim) writes:

>> Ras Mohammed: I'm not quite sure anymore if it's one of the world's
>> best places to dive. It was an interesting dive (I just did one

>I don't know why a lot of people say they must go to Ras Mohammed.  I
>saw it and i think the time for  Ras  Muhammed is over.  In the south
>red sea area are better diving places.

What Ras Muhammed offers is a much better than average chance of seeing
large pelagics. But it is still just a chance. You have to still be
lucky and get a day with excellent vis and when then pelagics show
up.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: cheese3@ioc.unibe.ch (Daniel Hirschi)
Subject: Kauai Tips wanted!!
Organization: Institute of Organic Chemistry
Distribution: rec.scuba
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:53:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: cheese3.unibe.ch
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello everybody!

My wife and I are going to be from Oct. 9th till Nov. 1st in Kauai. We 
already were there two years ago and had a great time. Does anybody have
special, recent experiences? Where is Equipment rental cheap&good? 
Any tips for locations we shouldnt miss? Maybe even a local who would come 
with us on a dive or two?? We are NAUI OW II certified and have dived 
quite a few places, tho Maldives, the Mediterranean, Florida, California,
Texas, but are rather cautious.

Would be nice to hear from anybody

--- Daniel

Email:   Hirschi@ioc.unibe.ch
         X.400: S=Hirschi OU=UBEVAX O=UNIBE P=SWITCH A=ARCOM C=CH
         
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: zxmkg01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Klug)
Subject: Truk/Jap/Saipan/Guam info wanted
Summary: MICRONESIA
Keywords: TRUK,JAP,SAIPAN,GUAM
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:21:17 GMT



I am planning a trip to Guam/Truk/Saipan (Micronesia)
If anybody out there has any information about diving in any of these
places would be great.

Thank you in advance,

Michael
--
Michael Klug      zxmkg01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
G i v e  p e a c e  a  c h a n c e
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay)
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
Originator: mstacc@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:01:50 GMT

>>In article <1661@radius.com> brad.radius.com (brad may) writes:
>>To summarize, whereas I stayed higher than my buddy the 
>>whole dive except for the amberjack excursion (and to wait 
>>out deco stops), he was never very close to his no-deco 
>>limit and I had *40 minutes* of deco time.  Apperently no 
>>one else went into decompression, in spite of several people 
>>being well below my max. depth.
>>
>>bmay@radius.com (Brad May)

>
>In article <24160@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) writes:
>The dive models should not be that much different.

I have dove with both the Delphi Pro, and the Sherwood Source (same as
Datamax Sport), and had them read nearly identical on time remaining before
deco.

I was on a dive on the Duane off Key Largo, had both computers right from
the start, and did a 123' dive.  Both the Delphi and the Source were within
in 1 minute of their time remainings...

I too would suggest you get your Datamax calibrated.
-- 
-Mark Tremblay              
  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: NAUI address sought
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 02:34:35 GMT

jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>Could someone send me the mailing address of NAUI in Canada?

It's NAUI Canada, 762 Gordon Baker Road, Willowdale, Ontario, M2H 3B4. 
Phone is (416) 493-NAUI [ 493-6284 if you don't have a North American
phone dial with the letters ].

Note that for lost cards, you're actually supposed to go to your
instructor first.  If you don't have a address for him/her, the NAUI
office should be able to help you.  I'm not certain of the current fee.
-- 
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