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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Sucking up......
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:33:14 GMT

cat1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW TANNER) writes:

>    Something that I fail to understand is how in complimenting an artist, you
>    are sucking up to them.  I can understand blatent fanboy spewing getting
>    flamed, but not intelligent, well meaning posts.

You've actually nailed it.  Complimenting the artist for good work is
not sucking up.  Complimenting the artist for less-than-good work *is*.
Therefore sucking up is somewhat in the eye of the beholder.  If someone
thinks that artist X does awful work and you publicly compliment that
artist, that someone might well think you're sucking up (as opposed to
merely having bad taste :-)).

>    I am of the belief that if an artist does a good job, and I have the
>    capability to carry my remarks to said artist, I should.

Seconded.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: INDY: Hepcats (was Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:54:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) writes:

>Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read

>I find HEPCATS hard to find.  The only time I ever see it is when I go to 
>the San Diego con and MArtin Wagner is there.  I have it on my 
>subscription list at the Silver Snail but it *never* turns up.  Has there 
>been a new issue since August?

Yes!  The second print of #9 and the first print of #10 (with the event that
put Erica in the hospital) came out a week or two before Christmas.  I
haven't experienced that sort of a reading high (two issues of Hepcats at
once) since late 1989, when Second Genesis finally settled their bill with
Aardvark-Vanaheim, and we got five issues of Cerebus is one week (and a new
one the next week).

------------------------------
                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.235717.13782@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.

What he said.

> Sandman Mystery Theatre:  The further adventures of the Golden Age
> Sandman.  By Matt Wagner, which counts for something.  The preview
> reminds me of Baker Street for some reason.

Probably because the art is by Guy Davis, the BAKER STREET artist.

> Sebastian O:  A three-issue mini-series about an insane-asylum escapee 
> in a high-tech Victorian England.  It looks from the preview like an
> uninteresting story set in an interesting milieu.

I don't know.  The art is mediocre, but the concept is intriguing...
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:08:17 GMT

In article <lis.725516324@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>(Family Feud? "Let's have a big hand for the Endless family: Destiny, Dream,
>> Desire, Death and Delirium!" I'm figuring that Despair would have more fun
>Now who in comic books would play against them?

I figure there are two possibilities who might have a chance, both from
Marvel...

"Let's have a hand for the Odins...Father Odin, sons Thor and Loki, foster
mother Frigga, and fiance Sif". Odin and Loki should do fairly well at least
and Thor's answers should be amusing.

"And as challengers today, the Richards family; Reed, Sue, Frank, Johnny and
Lyja". Given that whatever Reed Richards says becomes truth (net.theory
#314), as long as he can get out a prediction of their victory it'll be
hard to beat them ("Name a common appliance found around the house" BUZZ!
"A gateway to the Negative Zone" "Let's see...Gateway to the Negative Zone!"
BING APPLAUSE "First with a whopping 94%! Good answer! Good answer!"

Personally, I'm holding out for Reed, Lex, and Victor on Jeopardy!.

"Here on the tree shaded banks of Lake Micawawa lies one of America's great
storehouses of knowledge, The Double-Domed Institute for Advanced Thinking.
You, sir, what is your scholastic background?"
"Well, I have a B.A. from Columbia, an M.A. from Harvard, and a Ph.D. From 
Caltech."
"And I take it you're a professor here?"
"No, I'm the janitor." --Bullwinkle Goof Gas sequence
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:34:56 GMT

>>	Why is it every time DC does something, Marvel tries to imitate it?
>>Next summer's DC annuals will be introducing new heroes and villains. So will
>>the Marvel annuals. DC has success with the Hellblazer title. Marvel will be
>>starting Hellstorm in February (it's about demons and magic in the Marvel
>>universe. Very orginal.)
>
>Ummm, I don't want to sound like a zombie, but Marvel already has *several*
>titles about "demons and magic in the Marvel universe". There's _Darkhold_,
>_Morbius_(sort of), the occasional _Dr. Strange_, and the entire MySTech group
>to name a few.

First of all, of the titles you have listed, all of them are recently
released with the exception of Dr. Strange.  DC has had a lot of success
with horror titles and now Marvel is trying to get into the act.
Unfortunately, I can't find a copy of the add I saw for the new
Hellstrom series, but it is a blatant attempt to cash in on Hellblazer's
success. I groaned the first time I saw the add for it.

>>	And, DC is launching its Vertigo line of mature titles. So as not to
>>be left out, Marvel's Epic line is releasing the "Heavy Hitters" titles, 
>>apparently to try and capture more of the market, using big names (TM) like
>>Joe Kubert, Ron Lim, Gerard Jones, Howard Chaykin, etc.
>
>As I recall, this was the original impetus behind the Epic line. ("using big
>names" to do "mature titles" and other creater owned stuff.)

True, but Marvel has never really paid a lot of attention to its Epic
line. I always thought of Epic as Marvel's attempt to show people that
they weren't completely shallow.  There was some interesting stuff
there, but nothing that grabbed you. Now that DC is promoting Vertigo,
Marvel is suddenly paying attention to Epic again. I know it is just
business, but it still makes me cringe a little. It doesn't show very
much creativity. Just take somebody elses idea and market it better.
Bleh.
>>	Of course, Marvel isn't cancelling any titles to make room for the
>>new ones. Somebody said they'd have over 150 titles per month by summer '93.
>>If that's the case, I'm starting to dread 1994 already.

Anyone want to place bets when the "Great MArvel Implusion" is going to
take place? There is simply no way that they can keep putting out this
many titles. I give it a year and the Marvel UK titles are going to be
the first ones gone. They are such utter crap, such a blatant (there's
that word again) attempt at cashing in the theory that English people
can produce better comics. Nice theory, but even England can produce its
fair share of garbage.

-Craig

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~ Stupid Reasons why England Should Retain the Monarchy.            ~
~ #4 - Someone has to defend England against the threat of being    ~
~      overrun by dangerous grouse, deer and foxes.                 ~
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Old collectors don't die...(was: Re: PAD & Pros)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:25:19 GMT

ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:

>>How can you say that?  Comics for "the more mature reader" is one of the
>>main thrusts that every single comic book publish is approaching right
>>now.

>    No it is not.  It has only recently become the main thrust of DC comics.
>Only a few other publishers come to mind, that have always produced these
>'mature' titles.
>    As for VERTIGO;  I'm pleased.  I will wait and see what happens.  My main
>grudge is against Marvel for saturating the market with much of the drivel
>which dominates the market.

At some point in the recent past, people were discussing Marvel's
plans to saturate the market by putting out, what, about 200 monthly
titles?  But isn't it unlikely that people who currently buy
Sandman, Cerebus, Doom Patrol, Bone, and so on are unlikely to stop
buying these titles to pick up more Marvel punch-em-inna-face or
to pick up the five newest Punisher titles?  A big part of the
market is the standard super-hero slugfest, but the titles aimed
for 'mature' readers will hopefully thrive regardless of Marvel's
output.
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:43:19 GMT
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Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <92352.122230AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>  By the way, the next Spawn issue with one of the guest writers takes place
>in Hell.  It supposed to bring Kincaid (or whoever) down into the different
>layers of Hell.  The worst being the bottom.  I've already read a poem or
>a story that has this *exact* same idea.  Some guy is taken to all of the
>different layers of Hell by his host, Satan.  I can't remember the authors
>name though,(it was in English class last year).Is McFarlane stealing?

Well this blows the theory that modern graphic novels and comics are "where
art and literature meet" (The slogan of a NYC store).

You are thinking of Dante's Inferno.  A classic work in literature.
Is McFalane stealing?  yes.  People "borrow" from the classics all the
time.  It could be worse.  It could be Shakespeare, or even Melville.

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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:41:33 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Why has this been crosspost to alt.comics.lnh?  It has nothing to 
do with the LNH, so please make sure upon responding to this message
that it is not.  Thankz...

					Nettiquette Lad

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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re:  SOLVED: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.184619.802@scott.skidmore.edu> jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
>rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
>> 
>> Beeing a *BIG* Spike fan, and even *BIGGER* Malcomb X fan, 
>> I went back to check this "thanks to marvel" out.
>> 
>> The security for the X project were called the "X-Men."
>> And in the the "thanks and credits" section, they are listed 
>> as the X-Men.

Isn't there a gang called the X-Men?  I cannot remember what city they
are in, but I am almost certain there is a gang that goes by that name.
Can they be the ones who did the security?

>Yes, I noticed that too.  Unfortuantely Marvel couldn't take a joke
>and insisted that the complete copyright notice and trademark for the
>X-men be included in the credits as well.

Why is this viewed as not taking a joke?  They are just protecting thier
copywrite and had no problem with them using the name.

					Ron
From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sunk the Lowest Award
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.27DEC199213020892
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	I'd have to second the vote for the X-Titles sinking the lowest. The
Mutant Genesis has been quite nicely undone, and I'd say that the X-Cutioner's
Song was worse than the Death Of Superman (hey, at least _something_ happened
in the DoS -- Professor X "got better" and Cable will "get better" next year,
just in time for his new series).
	The exceptions are X-Factor and Excalibur... both have been pretty
good, for the most part. Now, if only PAD and Alan Davis would take over the
rest of the X-Titles...

	Since there's a "Sunk the Lowest" award, how about a "Best Rookie"
award? My vote would be split between Archer & Armstrong and Shadowman, both
of which take old, overused ideas (a "buddy" comic and a vigilante comic) and
make them really enjoyable to read.

	Happy Holidays!
	Joe Delisle

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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: What's the deal with Fish Police?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:13:11 GMT

	I'm currently buying the Marvel re-prints of _Fish Police_, and
I'm really enjoying it so far.  It's too bad though that the bunch at
Marvel haven't seen fit to reprint the editorial pages and letters pages
as well as the normal art pages.  That would help to explain what's
going on.  A friend of mine has one of the original b&w issues, and the
text pages were half the fun of reading it.
	I have a couple of questions: How many issues did it run for
originally?  What's the deal with "issue #0" or whatever -- the issue we
"will never, ever see" ...?  Any additional info would be appreciated,
as well as thoughts on the series in general.
-- 
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 glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca | Kate Bush RULES!!!!!! | _Small is Beautiful_
   Newfoundland, Canada   |    Any questions?     |  by E.F. Schumacher 
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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: REVIEWS:  PAD week (Hulk and X-Factor, SPOILERS)
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:27:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.172243.47532@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
> X-Factor 87
> -----------
> 
> I'm really glad I can end this review on a good note.  This was a great
> effort, all around.  PAD shines on this issue.  He re-introduces the
> characters in a refreshing and interesting manner.  Perfect entry point for
> new readers, like myself.  The scripting was as good as PAD gets.  I'm really
> excited about reading this title.  Good things are going to happen here.  This
> was one of the most entertaining monthly title reads for me in quite a while.
> 
> The artwork was another solid and clean job by new artist Joe Quesada.  You've
> seen his great stuff in The Ray and Batman: Sword of Azrael, and this is just
> as good.  Man, I can't wait for some action sequences.  This team of PAD and
> Quesada is going to be something special.

Am I the only one, or does Quesada's Rahne/Wolfsbane remind you of Dave Sim's
Jaka?  The face shape, hair and nose are very similar.  If this is intentional,
I'm not sure what the point is.

What is it about long green hair that is so attractive?  Both Quesada in this
issue and Jae Lee's version in last issue showed absolutely gorgeous versions
of Polaris.  And she thinks she isn't attractive?  Well not in the (ecch) suit
she's wearing at the end of the issue.  Red does not suit her.  Sure, it beats
the original black mesh version (see UXMen 50's and 60's), but that's not
saying much.

Joel
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From: gary@futon.SFSU.EDU (Gary Hoo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman's Library
Summary: Before and after Death ... ?
Keywords: Death, the universe, and everything
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:58:22 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <Neo5VB6w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>Well, we do have reason to believe (from The Books of Magic) that they 
>are intertwined with the fate of the Universe.  Have we not been told 
>that Death was the first being and will be last?
>

Well, yes, except I want to know who gave Death her marching orders?  8-)

(_Please_ don't follow up on this one--I have enough trouble keeping up
with the number of articles posted....)
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for San  | In the short term ... I'd suggest 
Francisco State University, and I   | some _really_ good scotch, preferably
trust SFSU is suitably grateful.    | consumed in Aruba...--Vince Gibboni
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ReReleases of MAD comics?
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:07:51 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <b6tr96n@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> zonker+@CMU.EDU (Jeremy G. Mereness) writes:
> 
>> EC Comics is putting out re-releases of their old (circa 1940) comics
>> like Mad (the comic, not the magazine) in book form.  At least, they
>> used to be. I can't find any anymore. Does anyone know anything about
>> these books and how they might be ordered?  
> 
> They're actually published by Russ Cochran under license from EC.  A good
> source for the volumes that are still in print is Bud Plant Comic Art at
> 1 (800) 242-6642.
> 
> You should note that the hardcover volumes only reprint the covers in
> color.  There's a more recent softcover collecting MAD 1-6 that's full-
> color throughout.  
> 

Although most of the hardcover EC reprints were done in black and white,
the Mad reprint volumes are in full cover.  Cochran felt there was a large
enough audience for Mad to justify it.  Sigh, if only he had done
this for all the EC's.

Mark
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From: richmond@spiff.Princeton.EDU (Stupendous Man)
Subject: Sandman Speculations: The Villain Unmasked?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:34:24 GMT

After reading the latest issue of Sandman, I was struck by an
idea that sticks in my mind, no matter how hard I try to
make it go away: Lucien is behind the "problems" Dream has
encountered in looking for his brother.  Why?  The conversation
between Dream and Mervyn, in which Dream praises Lucien 
as the only truly loyal member of his staff, seems to me a
perfect set-up for the eventual discovery that Lucien HASN'T
been all that good.  I am reminded of the relationship 
we saw between Dream and Thessaly; I have gone on the record
as guessing that Thess was Dream's latest lover, because she
stated her dislike for him too many times, as if she were trying
to convence herself (unsuccessfully) that she wasn't attracted
to him (and because she DOES have eyes that see right through 
you - brrrrrrr).

Of course, I don't like the thought that Lucien is responsible
for the demise of Ishtar, Capax et al., because I really do like
him - he's perhaps the supporting character I'd most like to
meet for dinner.  Happily, I think that Gaiman is too good a
writer to make Lucien into the stereotypical comic-book
"evil villain;" instead, I see Lucien as somehow reluctantly
dragged into the situation.  Perhaps one of the other Endless has
talked with him about the neccessity of Destruction's continued
privacy.  Maybe he just knows more about the recent "accidents"
than he's admitting, and isn't really their cause.  

So, there it is.  Lucien is part of the "plot" to keep Destruction
hidden.  And don't forget that Thessaly was Dream's latest - it 
looks like we may actually get this straight from the comic
in the next few issues.

-- 
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From: js43+@andrew.cmu.edu (James William Stepanek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: re:Question about LSH #40
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:58:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfERIvS00WBOA1BwxY
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Have we ever seen Squire before?  Who is he?  And who is the 
>yellow-skinned Dominator-linked woman with the mind control powers?
> 
>Is this *history* or new stuff entirely?
> 
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

When I first saw the character I assumed it was Charma ( or whatever)
the partner of Grimbor the lock maker guy. I then remembered that she
was killed , or at least I think so. I don't have all my back issues
here (in this State) so I can't check. It does seem a lot like her
though with the yellow skin and the mind controll powers. 
    But lets talk about stupid here- Wildfire's brother also has
anti-energy powers, oh yeah I forgot, people fall into anti-energy
reactors all the time, and someone can conveniently create a valid
containment suit to hold it. The Dominators technology is life-
oriented, and such things as containment suits would not be in their
baliwick. Oh well, it doesn't matter I'll probably keep buying the rag
no matter how bad it gets.
James Stepanek
esp
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Miracleman (was Re: Lucien's Last Theorem)
Date: 1 Jan 1993 03:22:11 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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In article <1992Dec31.054547.29546@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
)ObRACM: Where the hell is MiracleMan?
)-- 
)Andrew Solovay    

	Didn't someone post a little while back, quoting Mr. G
as saying on GEnie that he and Mark Buckingham were not going to
submit any new work to Eclipse until they were paid for the work
they had done already?

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