Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:19:22 -0400
From:         SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: pot and the kettle

 *** Resending note of 08/31/92 12:18

 From Robert:
 >> Homosexuality (perversion) is wrong because it is contradictory to
 >> "G"od's word.

 >        Actually, this does not answer the two questions I asked in
 >order to better understand the original argument.  First, I would like
 >you to provide definitions of 'homosexuality' and 'perversion.'  That way
 >I can identify more precisely the group which shall be denied the right
 >to abopt children.  This group (according to other posts) also includes
 >athiests, but I am not certain whether 'athiesm' qualifies as a perver-
 >sion or if there is some independent grounds for disempowering athiests
 from legal adoption.


 Homosexuality - participating in sex acts with one(s) of the same gender.
 Perversion    - deviation from what is right.

 >        Second, even if I grant that homosexuality (perversion) is
 >wrong I do not see how a prohibition on homosexuals adopting children
 >should be prohibited.  It is wrong for a person not to return the $5
 >she borrowed from a friend, but this would hardly warrant a prohibition
 >on adoption.  Indeed, if 'having done something wrong' is a sufficient
 >reason to be forbidden to adopt, no person may adopt.
 >
 >        1)      Anything which is contradictory to God's word is
 >                        wrong.
 >        2)      Homosexuality is contrary to God's word.
 >        3)      Perversion is contrary to God's word.
 >        4)      Therefore, homosexuality and perversion are wrong.
 >        5)      Whoever engages in a wrongful activity should be pro-
 >                        hibited from adopting children.
 >        6)      Therefore, homosexuals and perverts should be pro-
 >                        prohibited from adopting children.


 I will agree with all except #5.  As the nature of mankind is sin, none
 would qualify under this rule.

 I'll draw the distinction for atheists and homosexuals now so you won't
 have to waste a response to ask.  Atheists and homosexuals openly defy
 the Word by claiming and/or defending the rightness of their actions.
 This would be much like murderers or bank robbers having "killer pride day"
 or "thieves pride day".  How can you defend allowing adoption by practicing
 thieves and murderers?

 >       Finally, I would like to ask a question concerning the first
 >premise.  Is homosexuality wrong BECAUSE it is contrary to God's word,
 >or does God prohibit homosexuality BECAUSE it is wrong?

 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
  was God". - John 1:1

 The answer to your question is *yes*.

 >        So, a brief summary of what seems necessary to continue this
 >debate: 1) definitions of 'homosexuality' and 'perversion,' 2) a defense
 >of the premise 'whoever does something wrong should not be allowed to
 >adopt,' and 3) determination of whether the wrongness of homosexuality
 >is grounded on God's word, or whether God's command is grounded on the
 >wrongness of homosexuality.
 >                               Richard A. Fyfe

 1 and 3 have been provided.  2, like 5 above, is your premise.  Defend them
 if you can.

 ---Robert

 p.s.  ALL please take note of how I do not spend time correcting other peoples
       spelling errors or context problems as a diversionary tactic.  PLEASE
       follow suit.
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