HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: C News on HP9000/270 HP-UX 8.07
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:36:37 GMT

In article <1acmeeINNep4@hpscdf.scd.hp.com> schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz) writes:
>simmdan@ux1.isu.edu (Daniel Simmons) writes:
>> >You can also patch all the awk scripts to replace '\t' by a real
>> >TAB character: newsbin/inject/{defhdrs.awk,tear},
>> >newsbin/relay/canonsys.awk.
>> 
>> I did this once upon a time, and I don't recommend it.  It's a lot of work,
>> and you can't be sure you get everything.
>
>"A lot of work"????  It's pretty trivial to edit three or four files
>where a simple search and replace gets everything.  I, too, would
>prefer not to have to do it, but it ain't that tough.

The real problem is that when you upgrade C News, Henry/Geoff may have
snuck in another awk script, and you won't know it until news screws
up again - then you repeat the whole sequence of searching all over
again. The search is somewhat painful, as you need to exclude grepping
binary files for character strings, which may turn up all over the
place. Also, until you know what the real problem is, you don't know
for sure what to look for either.

It is reasonable for package designers to assume that basic things
like 'sh', 'awk', 'cc' work properly, though several authors have gone
to great pain to deal with all manner of brain damage (e.g. 'Configure'
and C News 'build').
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: tonyc@a4430ux.esr.hp.com ( Tony Cox (SR) )
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:50:41 GMT
Subject: Re: "Stereo" socket in HP9000/720 (was Re: HP9000/720 and audio/sound)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Rockville
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Could it be that you are looking at the video card and you have 
a CRX-24? That is the only place I have seen the word "STEREO" 
on the back of a 720.
tonyc

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From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,news.software.b
Subject: Re: C News on HP9000/270 HP-UX 8.07
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: alchemy.1992Oct4.141430.12671
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Oct2.124154.8580@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>Agreed.  But what causes this?

Awk on 8.0x 7x0 systems (and possibly others) interprets '\t' as a 't'
not a TAB, so pattern matching, mainly used in extracting headers from
articles, is totally screwed up. You can fix the scripts by replacing
'\t' with a real TAB, or install another awk ahead of HP-UX awk on the
search path, or get the 7.x awk for the 7x0 systems from the HP
Response Center (and put it in the search path ahead of the 8.0x awk).

There really is no excuse for this crap, since this bug was logged in
1991 back on 8.01, and 2 releases of HP-UX have come out since. Also,
the "old" awk was supposed to have been shipped with 8.0x (and was for
all but the 7x0 series), and this omission was also known before 8.07
came out, yet nothing was done.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: cariapa@angelo.amd.com (Sandeep Cariapa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Bizarre swap error on Hp 750 running 8.0.7
Summary: solution to my problem
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: amd.1992Sep30.194848.17026
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA


	I found out the solution to my problem. It turns out the HPUX
kernel has the tunable parameters maxswapchunks and swchunk. The
default values for these are 256 and 2048 respectively. The total swap
space is limited by:
	maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1024

	which means the default maximum swap space you can have is
approximately 0.5 G. If you need more swap space, you will have to
remake the kernel, after changing maxswapchunks. Since I was unaware
of this fact and hadn't changed maxswapchunks, swapinfo reported the
swap space on the second disk to be 97% full. After I remade the
kernel, everything was fine. 
FYI,
Sandeep

In article <1992Sep29.015316.2914@amd.com> I wrote:
>
>Hello, 
>	I've just completed installing HPUX 8.0.7 on two 750s. Since these 
>	machines need extra swap space, I needed to configure more than the 
>	default, ie SAM didn't work for me. 
>	So from the command line, I said:
>	# newfs -v -s 500000 /dev/dsk/5s0 MICROP_1528
>
>	This created a filesystem on the drive which was approximately 
>	half the drive's total size. Then I converted the remaining 
>	space into swap by saying:
>	# /etc/swapon -e /dev/dsk/5s0 
>
>	Everything seemed cool. Then when I tried checking the swap I 
>	had just configured using swapinfo, here's the result:
>	# /etc/swapinfo
>  Kb      Kb      Kb   PCT  START/      Kb
>  TYPE   AVAIL    USED    FREE  USED   LIMIT RESERVE  PRI  NAME
>  dev   499673    2009  497664    0%       -       -    0  /dev/root
>  dev   798844  772220   26624   97%       -       -    0  /dev/dsk/0s0
>  hold       0 -766379  766379
>
>
>	What baffles me is the 97% usage in the second swap area, when
>	I am the only one logged on. The first swap area was
>	configured during installation, and seems okay.   
>	I have racked my brains trying to figure out what's wrong. 
>
>	Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Sandeep Cariapa, Systems Engineer, CTS/DSN.
>cariapa@amd.com, 408-987-9043
>Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.


--
Sandeep Cariapa, Systems Engineer, CTS/DSN.
cariapa@amd.com, 408-987-9043
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: @cup.hp.com (Larry Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Can I turn off DIAGINIT ?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:20:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

> Is there any reason -not- to turn these things off considering that
> any information generated by them is not usable by anyone except
> (perhaps) HP?

If a system is not on a service contract and a component fails, access
to the most recent logfiles (where "recent" is left as an undefined
term) may reduce the time to troubleshoot the problem, thereby reducing
the cost of labor for the repair.

		Larry Dwyer
From: ken@sdd.hp.com (Ken Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: ntp and CAP
Date: 3 Oct 1992 15:18:55 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlz.sdd.hp.com

>Does HP-UX 8.05 have a timed or equivalent support for ntp services ?

Pick up /pub/ntp/xntp3.tar.Z form louie.udel.edu ... should work fine.

  -- Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jdj@umunhum.stanford.edu (John D Johnson)
Subject: Re: Installing Xdvi on HPUX system
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:51:57 GMT

In article <Bv2xtu.EMx@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.210923.7637@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>, jmuscat@nexus.yorku.ca (John Muscat) writes:
>> I'm running a HP 9000/380 with HPUX 8.0. I've installed TeX 3.14 and am in
>> the process of installing the xdvi sources that came with it.
>
>First all, I recommend the use of imake to generate the Makefile and secondly
>you should get the latest copy of xdvi (PL 16).
>
>To do this for HP machines, you could use our anonymous FTP site ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (138.253.42.172) to get the following bits:
>
>/hpux/X11/imake-4.00.tar.Z
>/hpux/X11/Xaw-4.00.tar.Z
>/hpux/X11/xdvi-1.16.tar.Z
>
...

I just ftp'ed the xdvi-1.16 bits for my HP-UX B.08.00 A 9000/375 and
had to add -DNOQUERY to the DEFS= line in the Imake and change
CDEBUGFLAGS = -g (from CDEBUGFLAGS = +O3) in the xmkmf created
Makefile in order to make it work on the Series 300.

That's right, compiling it so that it can be debugged makes the bug go
away, at least for my first use of xdvi. Compiling it with
optimization caused xdvi to report:

Can't find font ; using cmr10 instead at 518 dpi
xdvi: Non-fntdef command found in postamble

I don't have time to further debug it. It worked with correctly
without changes on a HP-UX A.08.07 E 9000/720.

John D. Johnson
Student, Computer Systems Lab, Stanford University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jmay@ctp.com (Jason May)
Subject: Re: Can I turn off DIAGINIT ?
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:25:24 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <137720006@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> davep@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Dave Porter) writes:
>  # /bin/sysdiag
>  DUI > LOGTOOL
>  LOGTOOL> STATUS DETAIL
>  LOGTOOL> LIST LOG=0011    (for example)
>

I tried this.  It gives a report.  Unfortunately, this information 
is unintelligible, and neither our hardcopy nor CD-ROM documentation
has a single mention of anything to do with DIAGINIT or any of the
other mysterious all-caps tools that the system starts automatically.
Is there any reason -not- to turn these things off considering that
any information generated by them is not usable by anyone except
(perhaps) HP?

-Jason
-- 
======================================================================
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CTP, Inc.   304 Vassar St.   Cambridge MA 02139   (617)374-8223
======================================================================
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:07:28 GMT
Subject: Re: HP-UX Patches ????
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


Sorry, no email source for patches available at this time.

Lou 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Free Computer Technology Review Subscriptions
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:09:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: tuna.199209291615.AA20216
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: s1084369@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Goh (Goh Kian Soon))
Subject: FAQ and Interprocess communication mechanism in HP-UX
Keywords: HP-UX, IPC, Windowing environment
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:59:26 GMT

Hi there ! I am new to this news group, I would like to know is there a FAQ
in this news group !

I am doing a study on Operating system features, and don't know which HP-UX
literature to refer to. I have found the following IPC mechanisms common
to other UNIX  OS but NO SURE whether there are available on HP-UX:-

Semaphores              Yes(implemented through the file system)
pipes                   Yes
signals                 Yes
shared memory           Yes ???
sockets                 Yes
named pipes             Yes ???
streams                 ???
Remote procedure calls  Yes(used across networks)


Also, the GUI for UX is Motif, does this used DDE (Dynamic Data Exchange) ??
As far as I know, HP-UX also support Dynamic Link libraries, is this true ??
Besides these, is there any IPC mechanisms that are special to HP-UX ??

In addition, I would like to know what are the technical literature that I
should refers to know about HP-UX (I might be able to get it off from our
computer center) ?

Thanks in advance and regards



Goh Kian Soon
Monash University College Gippsland
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP-UX Patches ????
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:42:33 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

There are modem numbers for HPSL as well.  Contact the Response Center at
1-800-633-3600 for more info.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: g++
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:44:17 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
In-reply-to: suplick@convex.com's message of 1 Oct 92 16:16:44 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 8aa73f312fdbc813f930784cb50c12ba

Don't bother.  Get gcc-2.2.2 instead.  This is almost 100% working on
hp.

I hear gcc-2.3 will be out soon.  I strongly suspect the remaining
major problems with the port will be fixed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kniveton@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Andy Kniveton)
Subject: HPscanjet / HP 9000 - 700's
Organization: Motorola LTD
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:48:19 GMT

Hi,

Has anyone connected a HP Scanjet Plus scanner to a HP 900 - 700, laserrom
lists a HP 9195A ScanJet Plus Scanner as a parallel device.

What software are you using to drive it ?

Andy.
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Has anyone heard the rumors concerning HP's new portable 700 series machine ?

I hear that it is small enough to fit in your pocket and is code named Trouser
snake !
				-- Brian Kelly
From: bodo@phase.Princeton.EDU (Bodo Huckestein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Darkness
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:53:39 GMT
Organization: Dept. of EE, Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <9209281018.AA28182@nmrt.bioch.bioch.ox.ac.uk> mikes@biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Dear Folks,
>
>I am the proud inheritor of an HP series 700 machine, whos monitor says
>"98774A".  Unfortunately, the screen is very dark, even when I put
>brightness and contrast to a maximum.
>
>Does anybody know what might be causing this, and what can be done about
>it?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike

The same here. The screen is close to unusable. Is that the way it is
supposed to be or is something wrong with it?

Bodo
From: cricket@winnie.corp.hp.com (Cricket Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: /etc/hosts and name servers...
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:06:49 GMT
Organization: HP Internet Imagineering

In article <vic.718370711@news2>, vic@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (James V. Ryan (Vic)) writes:
|> I realy think that this should be a enhancement request for a number of
|> reasons

I certainly won't argue that this shouldn't be changed.  However...

|> 2. If the nameserver is down, you won't have a long timeout wait for the
|>    switch to the secondary nameserver (if in etc/resolv.conf) or then check
|>    etc/hosts if only one entry.

If the name server is down, you won't have a long timeout wait, anyway.  If
named isn't running, you'll try the next name server listed in
/etc/resolv.conf as soon as you get the ICMP port unreachable packet.  If
the host running the name server is down, the longest you'll wait is 5
seconds to fall back to the next name server.

|> 3. There are times that our nameserver is very busy and I wait many seconds
|>    for a response just to get to a local address. This could just be milli-
|>    seconds if I had the option to query etc/hosts for known address first.

If I were you, I'd set up some more name servers.

|> Is there a net address that enhancement requests could be submitted to 
|> within H.P.? 

I don't know of one, but rest assured this particular enhancement request
has already been made.  Also, I'll personally forward your posting to the
engineer who works on BIND.

-- 
cricket

cricket@hp.com / Hewlett-Packard Corporate Network Services / Palo Alto, CA
From: arnet@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Arne Thormodsen)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:17:41 GMT
Subject: Re: extend character
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In general these keys provide enhanced I/O or character set support.

In Europe, "Extend Char" is used to generate non-ASCII characters,
usually the upper half of ISO 8859-1 or ROMAN8.

In Asia the "Extend Char" keys are mapped to extended I/O functions for
ideographic character input (tho' generally the keys are not labeled
"Extended Char" but rather indicate their actual function.  This depends
on the keyboard.)  In Japan in particular the right "Extend Char" is a
toggle between katakana/ascii, while the left "Extend Char" key turns
the Kanji input mode on and off.

If you don't need any of this functionality you may remap them, lots
of US folks use them as "meta" keys.  Just be aware that you can't
write SW which assumes that these keys are freely reassignable.  They
have definite uses in various countries.

--arne

Hewlett-Packard
CSO Internationalization

DISCLAIMER:  This information does not necessarily indicate all of the
policies of the Hewlett-Packard Company.
From: blh@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Bill Hassell)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:45:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Using laserromg300 with nfs-mounted CD-ROM
Organization: Kudzu Headquarters South
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

The LaserROM/UX software changed on the June 92 disc.  There is a
brand new program called lrom (actualy a script that runs lromg300 or
lromg800).  You'll need to run update to add the lrom code to your
system(s).  Since the data format in the files has changed, laserrom
cannot read the lrom discs.

The original laserrom is required (and can coexist with lrom) to read
LaserROM discs dated prior to June 92.  (lrom cannot read the laserrom
discs) Print the README file in the UXINSTAL directory for information
on lrom installation/update.  Once installed, there will be a
documentation directory /usr/lrom/doc containing ready-to-print
LaserJet files that are the User and Installation manuals.  Since the
manuals are about 6 megs in size (lots of pictures), you may want to
use the command:

      rmfn -l LROM_DOC

after the manuals have been printed.  A new user interface exists for
both the graphics version as well as the character mode, and
incorporates a number of new windows.  The graphics version also
allows the creation of bookmarks (or margin notes), and custom
bookshelves narrow searches down to commonly used manuals.

Bill (CD's are getting pretty popular) Hassell
From: cupples@IASTATE.EDU (Robert L Cupples)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: nohup doesn't always nohup
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: cupples@IASTATE.EDU (Robert L Cupples)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University

Here's a problem I have been meaning to get around to looking at for
a while but finally have found the time.  Stats: 730 with HP/UX 8.07.
Frequently, running a process with nohup hangs up when a user logs out.
The user logs out and then logs in again and the process is gone.
A typical command used to start the process might look something like
this:

nohup file > junk.dat &

However, if a line such as

file > junk.dat &

is placed in a file and shelled say as

nohup sh shellfile &

it almost always works.  This happens to several users and each one
might have a slight variation on the lines above (I tend to overkill with
the &'s), but I don't see what is wrong with each of them.  Sorry if this
example seems a little generic, I have tendancy to put several commands in a
shell file at once anyway and don't have the strongest feel of this problem.
Any clues?

Rob Cupples
cupples@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: "michael livsey" <michael.livsey@canrem.com>
Subject: why does it take so l
Reply-To: "michael livsey" <michael.livsey@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 3 Oct 92 10:35:25 EST

RA>I recently ordered a Fortran compiler from HP for my HP-700 and
RA>was told that it would take 4-6 weeks?  Is that standard experience
RA>with HP (I just started using this machine)?  What could they
RA>possibly be doing for 4-6 weeks?  Writing the compiler?  This
RA>is somewhat irksome.

Did you order it on 1/4" tape? 4-6 weeks would be an appropriate turnaround
time for a 9144A tape drive. ;-)

          michael.livsey@canrem.com
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From: grande@isi.edu (Jim Grande)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: LJIIISi: Is there a model which handles PS+PCL5+text+raw?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:38 GMT
Reply-To: grande@venera.isi.edu (Jim Grande)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

We have a couple LaserJet IIISi printers with the PostScript and Duplex
options installed and want to let the model control their mode. In hp-ux8.07's
/usr/spool/lp/model the only 2 modes which seem to apply are PCL4 and
postscript. PCL4 will allow you to print PCL/text/raw (raw being .dvi, etc).
The postscript model requires the LJ to be in PS mode (which is fine) and
spools everything as postscript (text is wrapped in PS first). We're unable
to spool DVI output (and likewise PCL) to it with the postscript model.

Quickly rifling through the front of the user's manual I see that the mode
(PCL or PS) can be set from the model. Do I need to merge these models
myself or does someone out there (HP?) already have something even better?

Thanks,
-Jim

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Jim Grande                                                   grande@isi.edu
Hughes Aircraft Co.
Space & Communications Group                                 El Segundo, CA
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Jim Grande                                                   grande@isi.edu
Hughes Aircraft Co.
Space & Communications Group                                 El Segundo, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.sys.sun.misc