From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:41:41 GMT

In article <l9q4hgINNs00@aludra.usc.edu> zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.192924.2705@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >>   Before those states got independence, there is no doubt about USSR's
> >> sovereignty over those states. Those states later decided indepedence
> >> after USSR collapsed. They became sovereignty countries.
> >>   Your comparsion to Tibet does not make much sense. Tibet is still part
> >> of China. China does hold sovereignty over Tibet. Why do you doubt it?
> >> 
> >
> >Why can't I? Your explaination is not clear. Actually, I am not a promoter  
of  
> >Tibet Independence because I am not sure whether Tibet is a province of  
China  
> >or not. You simply should not treat a person with different opinion in a  
brutal  
> >way. 
> >
> 
>    Should Tibet gain independence in the future, Tibet will be similar to
> those USSR states. But Tibet IS part  of China up to now, you should not
> compare Tibet with those indepdent countries.
> 
>    I am glad to hear that you are not promoting TI.
> 
>

Thanks! I like this post of yours better than the previous ones. But let me  
point out that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania gained independence before URRS  
collapsed.

 
> >> 
> >>    I will never give up my land if the land  belongs to me by LAW.
> >>                                                            =======
> >
> >
> >Wait a minute! What kind of LAW are you talking about?! You always take  
things  
> >for granted. Don't forget, Janpanese occupied Taiwan by their LAW too.
> 
>      International law regarding territory integrity. China's sovereignty
> over Tibet is recognized by most nations in the world, including US.
> 

Before The above three countries gained their indepence, URRS's sovereignty  
over them is also recognized by many nations in the world including China. Now  
China has also recognized these three countries too. What do you think?


>      Once again, you made a terrible mistake by comparing China to Japan.
> Japan's invason of Taiwan is illegal, never recognized by other peace loving
> countries.
> 
>

Again I am not a Tibet independence promoter. My point here is that it is up to  
the people to decide their future. Why people in Illinois don't want to be  
independent? Why people in Hawaii don't want to be independent although the  
majority people there are non-white? Why Germans want to re-unite? Why so many  
countyies in former USSR want to leave? Why Czech and Slovakia want to  
seperate? I guess it's their choices, right? They vote for their futures. 

I bet you will feel difficult to show us that Tibet is a province of China. I  
don't know, you don't know either. When you criticize others of being  
"westernized", have you even thought that Chinese history books are also ones  
of least to dependent on. You might remember that there are so many changes in  
the Chinese history books according to the political needs.
 
> >
> >>     The weakest person is the one who give up his property easily.
> >> 
> >
> >The weakest and evilest persons are those who want to oppress other people  
> >while they themselve are under oppression.
> 
>    Wait a second, I said that you are weak because you have  the 
> tendency to give up your rights which are evidenced by many of
> your postings.
> 
> 
> Z. You

I did not promote giving up anything. I promote to think subjectively, not to  
take things for granted and be polite to other people with different opinions.  
You may learn something you have never thought of from them and they will learn  
from you too. In fact I disagree with Tasim in some aspects but I like the way  
he faces all the personal attacks. I bet he was angry because he was treated so  
brutally but he still has not lost his individual dignity.

Carl
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