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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Demonstration Sports in '96
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:28:55 GMT
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Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1675@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax) writes:
>Does anyone know whether the demonstration sports for Atlanta have been
>determined?

During the Winter Olympics I remember hearing that 1992 will be the
last year with demonstration sports at the games.  That's because
the number of medal events has grown so much that the demonstration
sports just make it too unwieldly.  From now on, a sport will either
be included as a medal event, or it will be excluded.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:55 GMT
Reply-To: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

In the referenced article sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat) writes:
>
>>In article <val.712212490@marsh> val@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Valerie Hall) writes:
>>>That was almost a king-hit. Very cowardly and stupid. What was he trying to 
>>>prove? He should have been sent off right then and there. There was no need
>>>for such and act of naked aggression against the poor Angolan fellow.
>>>
>
>>The "Dream Team" can get away with anything and everything. Pack a bunch
>>of jerks with oversized egos into a team, and what else will you get?
>>Bull shit!
>
>>Dinkar
>
>Don't condemn the entire U.S. team because of what Barkley did.  Barkley was,

I saw him playing against Croatia and one of his own team bumped into
him... I thought he was going to deck them until he realised who they
were :-)

As for his technical foul...

I guess the phrase for Barkley is... "Barkley's a right Charlie"

[Only thing worse than a bad loser is an arrogant winner and it looks
like Barkley's both.]
   Dave Riches
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From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: <None>
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:19:34 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I was watching the cycling on TV last ight , the 100 km roadrace it was and
admiring the amazing bikes they're now using to increase their speed. The
Canadian team I recall had amazing frames etc with water bottles positioned
behind the seat and tubes running to the front to enable them to drink without
ever actually moving their hands down to the usual position. 
Towards the end of the competition, the Brazilian team came to the finish,
unlike the other teams their bikes were the old fashioned kind, spoked wheels,
no carbon fibre in sight, old water bottles etc. I thought, looking at their
times, that it was no surprise that they were 8 minutes behind the leaders.
In a competition like this the Olympic champions are decided, the fittest and
fastest and best team wins, but, to what extent is it decided by technology?
Why don't all the cyclists have the same type of bike? Correct me if I'm wrong,
but is it not the case that in yachting and sailboarding, the participants have
identical craft? 
Looking at the Germans, French etc cyclists and the Brazil team, I couldn't
help thinking that the advantage was firmly against them, that the best team
was not necessarily the best team, but the team with the best gear. OK, these
teams also have better facilities, money, coaches, time etc, but hey, all the
participants should start out equal shouldn't they?
Anyway, I'd appreciate comments and information from anyone who knows whether
or not in some sports there is some type of across the board equipment supplied
to make things more fair.  
-- 
Tom Higham,		        "If ever somethin' don't feel right to you,     
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,	        remember what Pancho said to the Cisco Kid:
University of Waikato,	        'Let's went, before we are dancing at the
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NEW ZEALAND.		                   Sailor Ripley, "wild at heart".
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From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:48:36 GMT

In the Athens '96 Olympics there were 13 nations represented (not 17), and a 
total of 311 athletes. In addition to:
USA, Greece, Germany, France, Great Gritain, Hungary, Austria, Australia, 
Denmark and Switzerland
which all got at least one medal, there were athletes from:
Sweden (Henrik Sjoberg 6th in long jump, 5.80)
Bulgaria (Charles Champov 5th in horizontal bar, men's gymnastics)
and ?. It is quite possible that Ireland is the 13th country. John Boland who
won the gold medal in men's singles tennis and shared it (with Fritz Traun of
Germany) in men's doubles objected vehemently when the Union Jack was run up
the pole to celebrate his victory. He pointed out that the Irish had a flag of
their own, the officials apologized, an Irish flag was prepared and that's
quite possible the 13th nation of the first Olympics.
I was expecting Italy to be among the first 13 and I am really surprised they 
weren't.

Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio State
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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: TEAM HANDBALL: preview
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:20:05 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT


Twelve men's teams and eight women's teams will compete in the team
handball event.  They are:

MEN	POOL A			POOL B	
	Brazil			Egypt
	Czechoslovakia		France
	Hungary			Germany
	Iceland			Romania
	South Korea		Spain
	Switzerland		Unified Team

WOMEN	POOL A			POOL B
	Germany			Austria
	Nigeria			Norway
	Unified Team		South Korea
	United States		Spain

Each team will play each of the other teams in its pool once.  The top team
in each pool will then play the second-place team in the other pool.  The
winners of these matches will play for the gold; the losers will play for
the bronze.

OUTLOOK

In Seoul, the Soviet Union won the men's competition, with South Korea and
Yugoslavia taking the silver and bronze.  Sweden, the reigning world
champion team, is apparently not here, so the Unified Team seems to be the
favorite, with Germany and Romania also having a shot.  However, look for
Spain to have a tremendous home-team advantage; they could be dangerous if
they make the medal round.  The absence of the Independent Team has opened
things up in Pool A, making for exciting competition for the top two spots.

The South Korean women's team pulled a shocker in Seoul, upsetting the
Soviet Union (bronze) and Norway (silver) to win the gold.  They are back
this year, but their chances of repeating are severely diminished without
the home crowd.  Traditional favorites are the Unified Team and Germany,
but Spain once again is dangerous.  The last-minute replacement of the
Independent Team in their pool with Norway, combined with the cheers of the
home crowd, could lead them easily to the medal round, and possibly the
gold.

Competition for the men begins on Monday, July 27: Romania vs. Egypt,
Switzerland vs. Czechoslovakia, Iceland vs. Brazil, Unified Team vs.
Germany, Hungary vs. South Korea, and Spain vs. France.  The women's
competition begins on Thursday the 30th.  Both Gold Medal games will be
played on Saturday, August 8.
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From: nazim@cwis.unomaha.edu (The Unknown)
Subject: Re: 2000 & 2004 Olympic Games
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:54 GMT

jortiz@bach.helios.nd.edu (jose candelaria) writes:

>Hi,

>I'm interested in knowing which cities that are competing
>for the site of the 2000 and 2004 Olympics.  I know for a fact
>that my native Puerto Rico is bidding for the 2004 games.  I 
>know that we are a _very_ long shot, but in any case, I still 
>would like to know how strong the field is; if the unified
>Germany, or Athens are in the picture, for instance.

>				Thanks in advance 

>				Jose L. Candelaria


Hi, 
here are some cities, which applied for the 2000 Olimpics :
Istanbul/Turkiye; Berlin/Germany; Sidney/Australia; Taskent/A country from central Asia;
Peking/China ....

Regards
Nazim
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From: emcee@bcr2.waterloo.edu (Michelle Chan)
Subject: TO ALL POSTERS and READERS
Followup-To: PROUD and ANGRY 
Keywords: Purpose of hte newsgroup
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:53:37 GMT


It seems to me that this newsgroup has gotten  "out of hand".  I believe that the original
intent of this group was to post and discuss the results of the Olympic Games and share in the
pride and awesomeness of the accomplishments of the athletes. ( regardless of the country
that they represent )

While we may not agree with the approach of the different countries in the training of their
athletes or the mentality that some athletes have, I think that you will agree with me in that
if  WE were given the opportunity to train in ANY sport  through ANY training method that
you would consider to be the best, VERY, VERY FEW of us would become a WORLD
champion.  Sure, different countries have different training methods and different people
have different styles, but the athletes are people too.  And for people to be able to dive
like the chinese athletes, or play basketball like the american "dream team", or perform
gymnastics like the unified team, ....  is an amazing accomplishment for the human race.
That is what we should be awed by when watching the Games, not the fact that some
country trains this way, and some country did that.

If you want to criticize another country's history, then please start another newsgroup
(how about prejudice.skeletons_in_the_closet) and post to your heart's content.  The fact
is that every country has its own problems and every country has event's that it is not
proud of.  Digging up dirt on a country or on an athlete accomplishes nothing, in fact it
degrades oneself immensely.  If you have to revert to that in order to say something, then
don't.....keep your opinions to yourself.  

IT IS GREAT TO BE PATRIOTIC AND PROUD OF ONE'S HERITAGE, BUT NOT AT THE
EXPENSE OF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL'S INTEGRITY.

Please, let us just enjoy the rest of the olympic games together......
 

		Michelle Chan
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1741 rec.sport.volleyball:1596
From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (The Crazy Hawaiian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Speed scores Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:51:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

In article <1992Jul28.204802.17135@uwm.edu> bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>From article <1992Jul28.200743.4872@alw.nih.gov>, by etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck):
>> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>> :While watching the US-Japan volleyball game, I noticed a couple
>> :of things that bothered me (they are not related to the officiating).
>> : ... 
>> :Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  Instead
>> :of only scoring points when you are serving, a point is awarded on
>> :every serve.  This forces teams to abruptly change their approach
>> :in the fifth set.  For example, you can't afford to take a chance on 
>> :a jump serve, because if you don't get the serve in, the other team
>> :gets a point.  If two teams have fought each other even through four
>
>We had this discussion a while back. Rally scoring should have little effect
>on how you play. The main affect of rally scoring is to shorten the game.
>Because of the shorter game you may change some things around. For instance
>you can be more liberal with your substitutions.

I disagree, rally scoring has GREAT effects on how you play and the final
outcome of the game. I've been playing ball for about 11 years now and
depending on the match, I either enjoy rally point matches or despise them.

For instance, if my team is playing a league with best 2 out of 3 sets win,
with the final game being rally points if it is tied 1-1, I tend to watch
the way my team plays. If it takes us a LONG time between the scoring of
points in the first two sets, I totally "cringe" when the rally point game
comes around. However, if we are siding-out with regularity and putting the
ball consistently down, I know we have a great chance of winning.

If we get to the rally point game and it looks like we had a hard time scoring
between points, I try to change something. Switch hitters, get the team more
pumped up when we block something, basically ask one of them to step up to
the challenge. It is definately a more intense game.


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From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:09:25 GMT

>Yeh,if IOC cared to some degree about how the games are covered in the
>US maybe it would take less money and give the rights to a broadcaster
>who would actually show more Olympic sports than entertainment and sports-related

It has NOTHING to do with the IOC "caring". Every year more and more
countries, athletes, and staff participate in the Olympics. It has become
a termendously expensive event for the IOC to organize, much less organize
and manage ALL international olympic level qualifying events, development
programs, etc every year. It is basically priced beyond anyone's means right
now, which is why the IOC is no longer allowing demonstration sports after
Atlanta, is hardly considering new sports and events, and is actually
having to seriously consider eliminating events, sports, limiting
participants, etc. 

The IOC can't afford to "take less money" and support the hundreds of
thousands of participants and programs involved in the Olympic movement.
The IOC isn't out to make money, they are barely able to keep their
programs going.

> Why do Americans have to have an option of PPV and not the
>Canadians or Germans? Why can't we get a normal sports-only TV coverage
>like the rest of the PPV-free world?

It's not just sports. Compare our whole broadcasting system to other
countries'; including movies, shows, news. Sports is not the only area
affecting by the commercialism that runs our broadcasting.
From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: MEDAL COUNT tu 28.7.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:03:01 GMT


      MEDAL COUNT AS OF 28.7. (INCOMPLETE)

EUN		   7	  6	 1
China		   5      7	 2
USA		   4	  3	 7
Hungary		   4	  2	 1
Germany		   2	  1	 4
Korea		   2	  0	 1
Spain		   2	  0	 0
Bulgaria	   1	  2	 0
Australia	   1	  1	 2
Japan              1 	  1	 1
Cuba		   1	  1	 0
Turkey		   1	  0	 0
Norway		   1	  0	 0
France		   0	  2	 4
Sweden		   0	  2	 1
Italy		   0	  1	 3
Poland		   0	  1	 0
Brazil         	   0	  1	 0
Peru     	   0	  1	 0
Romany		   0	  0	 2
Finland		   0	  0	 1
Holland		   0	  0	 1
Surinam		   0	  0	 1
Mongolia           0	  0	 1

Aranka Binder	   -	  -	 1

The following events are counted:
(WARNING: Includes medalists of the individual events)


M 100m Breast (USA,HUN,AUS)
M 200m Freestyle (EUN,SWE,FIN)
M Free-pistol 60s (EUN,CHN,SWE)
M 100km timecycling (GER,ITA,FRA)
M Weight lifting 52kg (BUL,CHN,ROM)
F 100m Freestyle (CHN,USA,GER)
F 400m Medley (HUN,CHN,USA)
F Air-rifle (KOR,BUL,---)
F Cross-Country Cycling (AUS,FRA,HOL)

M 4x200m Free (EUN,SWE,USA)
M 400m Medley (HUN,USA,ITA)
M 100m Butterfly (USA,POL,SUR)
M Weight lifting 56kg (KOR,CHN,CHN)
M Air-rifle 60+10s (EUN,FRA,GER)
M Cycling 1000m time (ESP,AUS,USA)
M Judo +95kg (EUN,JPN,FRA+HUN)
F 200m Freestyle (USA,GER,GER)
F 200m Breast (JPN,CHN,USA)
F 10m Swimjump (CHN,EUN,USA)
F Judo +72kg (CHN,CUB,ITA+JPN)
F Sport pistol(EUN,CHN,MGL)

M 100m Freestyle (EUN,BRA,FRA)
M 200m Backstroke (ESP,EUN,ITA)
M Air-pistol 60s+10s (CHN,EUN,ROM)
M Weight lifting 60kg (TUR,BUL,CHN)
M Wrestling 52kg (NOR,EUN,KOR)
M           68kg (HUN,EUN,USA)
M          100kg (CUB,EUN,EUN)
M Judo 95kg
  Skeet (CHN,PER,ITA)
F 400m Freestyle (GER,USA,AUS)
F 100m Backstroke (HUN,HUN,USA)
F 4x100m Freestyle relay (USA,CHN,GER)
F Judo 72kg
F Gymnastics team


I will post the complete medal count every few days.
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From: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: shooting getting more
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:10:57 EST
Reply-To: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

-> > >  * Shooting

-> The reason why NBC and other networks never show shooting, biathlon,
-> cross-country skiing, etc., even when American athletes do well in
-> them is because these sports require competent producers and
-> announcers to make them interesting to watch. That is, if my
-> grandmother tried to produce

 I will give you that.  The UIT has been trying to increase the interest
in shooting by making changes.  As I recall, they now use (but didn't
previous to the '88 games) video cameras on each of the shooters
targets.  Spectators, can watch the progress of each competitor on the
line by watching the monitor behind them.  I'll be the first to admit.
It's not very exciting watching one of the most "relaxed" sports in the
Olympics.  Shooting is 80-90% mental, and 10% physical.  Hence, there's
not a lot to see, except incredible scores posted at the end.

 --Jeff
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: fairness
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:50:09 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul29.004234.283@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum) writes:
>  Also, in the women's gymnastics
>competition, the graphics consistently referred to the "assymetric
>bars", while everyone I know calls them the "uneven parallel bars".

In the US, you are right:  The apparatus is usually called the "uneven
parallel bars."  But I've noticed for years that in international
competition the official name of the event is the "assymetric bars."
Don't ask me why.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: s8921366@macadam.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Paul English)
Subject: Re: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:59:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.070207.3434@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> andrewm@mpce.mq.edu.au (Andrew Myles) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.023211.17542@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:
>|> Yesterday NBC mentioned that via boycotts, wars etc only Greece, Switzerland,
>|> Great Britain and maybe 1-2 more were the only nations that participated in all
>|> 25 Olympics.
>
>Australia

I believe France is the other one.


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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Idea for improving Sync. Swimming (humor)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:01:59 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

I just got an idea.  Wouldn't it be great if they could get Harry
Shearer and Martin Short to do commentary on the Synchronized
Swimming?

Now THAT I'd watch.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 4x100m Medley Relay
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:28:19 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 4x100 Medley Relay FINAL
===========================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		4:03.69
Olympic Record		4:03.74

Gold	UNITED STATES OF AMERICA	USA	4:02.54		New WR, New OR
Silver	GERMANY				GER	?
Bronze	UNIFIED TEAM			EUN	?
------
4	CHINA				CHN	?
5	AUSTRALIA			AUS	4:07.01
6	CANADA				CAN	?
7	JAPAN				JPN	?
8	THE NETHERLANDS			NED	?

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From: jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers)
Subject: WOMEN'S MARATHON-HELP!
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:21:44 GMT


Well, first I complained that I would *once again* have to pay to
see the women's long distance running events through the Triple
Cast.  I just found out that now I can't even do this.  The triplecast
is only showing the Men's Marathon and not the Women's.  I am totally
disgusted.  When I finally got through to these people they told me
that they would be showing highlights of the marathon.  Big whoopie.
I told them I can see that for free on NBC (hopefully).

Anyway, I was wondering if some kind person in a more civilized country,
such as Australia, wouldn't mind taping the entire women's marathon
for me.  I will reimburse ALL COSTS (vhs tape, postage,etc.).   This is
really important to me.  My dentist, of all people, is one of the three
US runners and this is about as close as I'll ever get to the Olympics.
Post response or e-mail to: jayers@hamline.edu

Thanks!!!   

judi ayers
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From: kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu)
Subject: Re: shaved heads
Reply-To: kai1@dasher.UUCP (Kai Chiu)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.155559.28412@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>Hey, guess what, they actually did it... the US volleyball team shaved
>their heads in protest of the decision to give the first match to
>Japan.  Even Steve Timmons.
>
>Rachele
>

HaHa, it is becoming increasingly amazing to watch how our great 
Team USA is behaving. Is someone willing to compile a list of 
such incidents showing the great sportsmanship of those American
hero/heroines? Another possible entry, seen on today's New York Times:

Jenny Thomson blames her loss to Zhuang Yong of China to 
drug-testing policy. She apparently believes she lost the 
competition because she instead of Zhuang was chosen to be 
tested. Olympic officials flatly denied the charge, saying 
she has nothing to complain.

For more entertaining events, stay tuned. 

Kai Chiu
Kai Chiu
kai1@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Bell Communications Research, Inc.              
Tel: (908) 699-7338 
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