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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Subject: TANGENT: ECKANKARIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center	
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:02:06 GMT

Please DO NOT reply with a followup.  Though I have enjoyed the discussion
on committed dancing or what, mostly I try to follow the music info.  Either
do as I plead or don't, you have free choice.  Feel free to e-mail me if I
have erred in some way.

Many have spoken of praying for Robert E. McElwaine 2nd Initiate in Eckankar
I would like to suggest that we do just that.  Due to the latency of News
I will suggest a date in the near future so that we can pray in concert.
Wed.  FEB 3  1200 PST (0900 EST).  We do not know how we should pray, the
Spirit must intercede for us, so I DO NOT presume to tell anyone how to,
or what to pray.  For myself, I will mention the following:

	- That Robert E. McElwaine be visited by the Holy Spirit, confronted
	with his sinful nature. 
	- That Robert E. McElwaine when confronted by his sinful nature,
	be humbled of heart and truly repentant.
	- That Robert E. McElwaine renounce the teaching of Eckankar.
	- That God raise up an annointed laborer with the word and deed
	in season to lead Robert E. McElwaine to Jesus Christ.

P.S. While we are at it, perhaps we could also ask that Sandi Patti be
reconciled with her husband.  BTW, I am part of a regular 6:00 AM intercessory
prayer group, if you want to coordinate, drop me a line.

================== We Design and Build Fine Networks ===================
		Stephen Ray Northcutt (703) 663-4447
Disclaimer: The Public Affairs Officer speaks for this Naval Lab, not me!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MUSIC
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:06 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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In article <5855.381.uupcb@travel.com>, lance.kohler@travel.com (Lance Kohler)
  writes:
> 
> I used to call MWS and Amy Grant "Judas's" for going to secular radio,

I never really thought they crossed over, IMHO, but for the sake of this
post...

> but now I think it's a good idea. I'm telling you, ia lot of the ..bands
> would release just one song, it would be great. Whitecross, Whiteheart,
> Guardian, Petra, DTalk, Barren Cross, SCChapman, etc. Why can't we get
> those big "Christians" out there.. in the music business to do this. I

Probably because those bands are a little more committed to God's work than
ol' amy and MIkey!

JP
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Alan Root  (Re: Music to help raise kids was: Lisa Bevill)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:47:44 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
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In article <1ik7a6INNk2o@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>Stephen Northcutt - K31 writes
>> So now I ask for some more help, since Hunter is only 8 he
>> doesn't really know what he likes (by music type), but I
>> would like to try to get a CD that is christian and is not rap   
>> 
>
>I am turning more and more of my attention to Kids music these days, as my  
>kids are outgrowing Psalty and the Donut Man.  I have found that most  
>Christian music aimed at kids these days, while entertaining and containing  
>good, simple messages that the kids can grasp, is pretty uninteresting  
>musically.
>
>I have recently found one notable exception.  It's Called "Backwards in the  
>Back" by alan Root (Everland Records).  This is the only kids music album I  
>have heard that I will put on even when the kids aren't around.  The music  
>is not sophisticated - it really is kids music.  But you can tell that the  
>guy had an absolute blast doing it, rather than trying to fit into someone's  
>"Let's make sure it will sell" formula.  My kids love it.  So do I.

I highly recommend Mary Rice Hopkins' albums for kids. It may be for
the young side - say 2or 4 to 7 or so in age, I dunno, I don't have kids
so I'm just guessing here. I like the stuff, ok, and I don't even have
kids (blush)/ The songwriting is really good catchy stuff, and good
songwriting is good songwriting. REally humorous stuff too, but with a
good point to it. I think she's on her own label, but I know some 
Christian bookstores carry her stuff. One of the albums is "Big Steps
for Little Feet" and another one is "Fingerpainting" or something -
this is definitely for young kids I guess. If ya can't find the stuff,
I'll try to dig some up here and get you an address....

                  --Stacey


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest)
Subject: Re: BACKWARDMASKING
Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Keywords: backmasking
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:55:00 GMT


.raeh ot drah os ton si gniksamkcaB ?eeS

.eb yam esac eht sa ,daer rO

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From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:47:14 GMT
Organization: Micronav International

Isn't this the same guy who posted that ridiculous CONTRADICTIONS 
article?  I don't know if he just doesn't know what to believe, or if he 
is just a trouble maker.  Either way, he needs prayer.  NOW!

Mike Mac Cormack
Micronav International Inc
P.O.Box 1523 / 104 Marine Drive
Sydport Industrial Park,
Sydney, N.S. Canada B1P 6R7
Tel: 902-564-8833      Fax: 902-564-8764
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Dancing with commitment
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:13:04 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Here's a note.  I just got married about 5 months ago.  My wife and I dated
for 3 years.  It was also our courtship; by that I mean by COURTING, we found
out that we were compatible with each other and developed our friendship,
which developed into a sincere love for each other as individuals.

By dating, you find out if you are interested in OTHER people.  By courting,
you see what develops.  Dating (read "Scott doesn't think this will get you
a seat right next to the furnace...") involves selection; courting involves
commitment and relationship development.

Are we to assume you just PICK someone and begin dating seriosly??
That's why you date; to find someone that interests you.  This does not have
to be based upon sexual attraction.  Sometimes it is, which is unfortunate.
My wife and I consummated our marriage properly; we both felt it important
to refrain from sexual activity until after we were married. 

And we did.  That doesn't mean, however, that I didn't WANT to before that...

My point here is it has less to do with 'Temptation' as some omnipresent
force waiting to overpower you (I saw her in a bikini!! I'm Hellbound!!),
and more to do with realizing the God-given sexual urges for what they are
and not succumbing to the much more sublime temptation of forgoing God's
idea of relationship development.

In short (the moment you've all been waiting for...) it's about self-control.



And by the way, I really loved Steve Taylor's last album, 'I Predict 1990',
released in 1989 and produced by the Beaufort twins.  (You mas have wondered
when this was going to get around to something worthy of posting in this 
group...)

That was a great album; some of his best, as far as I was concerned. 
What is he doing now??


Scott "Abstinence is underrated, but tedious" Naylor
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
snaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

(Or, yell really loudly; I hear fairly well) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: need advice
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:30:52 GMT

Scott 



Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:14:43 GMT

In article <ecater36.727992656@ursa> ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater) writes:
>jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>
>>"We're just dust dressed up to be blow away
>> We're just dust dressed up to be blow away..."
>
>> -Breakfast With Amy
>
>>now, i'm not saying that anything is "definitive proof", but i'd just
>>like to point out that small doses of nihilism aren't necessarily
>>-anti-Christian either. after all, even the Bible contains a little
>>bit of dispair. and noting the fleetingness of human existance is
>>hardly evil in and of itself.
>
>If you want to see the closest thing you can get to Christian Existentialism
>read a book called Ecclesiastes.

Just a semantic quibble here.  Although the Book of Ecclesiastes has 
elements of existentialism, I think it's a mistake to label it as 
an existentialistic work.  Exsitentialism starts with the belief
that one is alone is an impersonal universe, and that meaning must
be created by the individual - close, but not exactly Solomon's 
perspective in Ecclesiastes.  

But yeah, I'll join the chorus in praise of this book.  I don't know
if it's proper to speak of "favorite" biblical books, but I do
know that I keep coming back to this one again and again and again.
I'd prefer to view it as Pre-Christian Honesty, though.  Solomon
wouldn't have been able to cut it in the CCM world.  

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com

(who still has a hard time reading Ecclesiastes 3 without hearing The 
Byrds' "Turn, Turn, Turn" playing in my mind)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: feb _CCM_
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:54:56 GMT

In article <81999@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>
>This is good news, John, but does Jerry's return mean that Greg Flesch is
>out of the picture? Both Chamberlain and Flesch are so extremely talented
>as electric guitarists, but I think Flesch has more to offer as a musical
>center to the band's sound. He had big shoes to fill as Chamberlain's 
>replacement, and he has done so admirably.
>

	Well I don't know about Motor Cycle, but the two played
together on Outdoor Elvis.  And Terry Taylor commented that the main
reason Jerry didn't return for Kalhoun was financial -- five people
would have been too many, implying that Jerry's return would not knock
anyone (Greg) out.


Rob
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:49:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan21.203808.25286@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:

>Our world tells us that we are defined by our sexuality.  Our churches often
>tell us that our sexuality is not really a part of us, or at least not
>until we're married...

>In order to practice abstinence, I think we need to have a 
>healthy view of what sex is all about.  We hear that it's a lot of fun and
>that it's fine to have sex without commitment from the world.  From the
>church we hear that it's not ok at all to even think about it unless you're
>married.

You make some excellent points in this post.  For the most part, I
couldn't agree more.  I would point out, however, that not all churches
(or Christians, or Christian families) toe this line.  I would say that
more and more of them are catching on, becoming more enlightened,
whatever, as more and more of their members are stepping forward with
their sexual problems and agonies.  Let's pray that the trend continues. 
It's such a painful, shameful area for people, which makes it the perfect
area for the church to lovingly address.

>I know many people who would feel a great relief, myself included, when
>abstaining from sexual activity does become a matter of "just" self-control.
>Again, I'm not trying to deny that what you said about self-control is true,
>but just to point out that it's not quite that simple for many single
>Christians, and married ones, too, for that matter.

Amen!  

Ob.r.m.c:  Bruce Cockburn did an extremely sexual song, about his
wife, I assume, called "Sahara Gold."  It was celebratory in nature.  I was
very surprised to hear it and wasn't sure what I thought of it at the time.
I'd like to hear it again now, 8 years later, and see what I think.


-- 
I can identify with steelworkers.  I can identify with workers that have
had a difficult time.      -- Former Vice-President Danforth Quayle
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From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Kim Hill?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:58:53 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: Kim Hill

In article <urcat.726618142@mcl> urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes:
>
>Yes -- Kim Hill is wonderful.
>
>> mjb@media.mit.edu (Molly Bancroft) writes:
>>
>>|> Any other good female singer-songwriters I should know about?
>
>> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) replies:
>>
>>   Try Susan Ashton and Margaret Becker for starters.  Out of the Grey is
>>a Husband-Wife duo, but the wife does all of the singing... they are truly
>>great.
>
>I also wholeheartedly endorse all of Tim's suggestions.....to add my own:
>	Wendy Talbot	(Terry's wife)   _People of Promise_

YES!!!!!!! Wendy Talbot is really great - the songs are fresh and
the acoustic guitar is incredible - really it is - with a lot of
jazz based nuances in the chord voicings (tho the style itself isn't
jazz). It's very sophisticated musically, but flows acoustically with
a simplicity that's really hard to find. If you can find this album, get
it. Also, Wendy and Mary, which Wendy was the Wendy of, has 3 albums on
Sparrow if you can get them. Funny, but the last posting I did I recommended
Mary Rice Hopkin's stuff for children. Well, Wendy Talbot was the Wendy of
"Wendy and Mary" and Mary was the Mary of Wendy and Mary. And I am the 
Stacey of the Stacey. ok, now I'm getting confused...

               --Stacey
From: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: choir, da
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:31:02 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

Frank Lopez (of UCLA?) asked me to pass on some information for him.  Due
to my limited file-handling skills, I could not reproduce his comments
verbatim, but here is the gist of what he had to say:

The Choir is currently in the studio with Tim Chandler playing bass.  (He is
still with DA, too.)  Tim called the material they are working on "this 
close to grunge, but in a way not this close to grunge."  Apparently it is
a more stripped-down style.

DA held a listening party for "Motorcycle" in Huntington Beach, CA recently.
CCM has called the album "the album da fans have been waiting for."  Frank
agrees and says it's that album and then some.

The band for this album is Terry, Ed, Tim Chandler, Greg Flesch, Jerry
Chamberlain, and Rob Watson.  Sharon McCall and Gene Eugene also make
appearances.

Frank said there is a definite XTC influence on at least one song.  Another
song features Jerry and Greg doing a "dueling guitars" thing.

Hope this answers some questions.  (Sorry I couldn't post your comments
exactly as you wrote them, Frank.)

John Warren
"I don't want to spoil the party, so I'll go."--Lennon/McCartney
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: True Tunes order # needed
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:40:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Could someone please mail me or post True Tunes order # (toll-free?).
Thanx.  I missed it last time it was posted.
 
					Derek
 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CONCERT REVIEW: Al Denson
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:26:24 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Two words: AWESOME SHOW!

The Al Denson concert last night was nothing short of spectacular.  All the
neat toys alone were enough to sufficient to enthrall this techno-addict.  

The church seats about 1800, and it was packed to the rafters!  I think they
had to turn some people away because of fire codes.

There were two rear-projection TV screens above the platform, I'd say about
twenty feet diagonally.  There were two cameras down front to provide live
views of the action on stage, which were mixed with video footage and computer-
generated graphics on the screens.  One effect used on the live video was what
I call "frame sampling," where only every fifth frame or so (of the 30 frames
per second standard for video) was displayed on the screen.  You've probably
all seen this effect on TV.  It creates a kind of jerkiness in the movement.

Al opened with "Stand Up," followed by "Hey Now, People."  During these songs,
computer graphics of the lyrics, in all kinds of type styles and sizes, moved
about the screen over the image of Al on stage.  When Al did "Be the One," the
screens showed footage of street evangelism teams both here and abroad.

There were several lighter moments, such as a sing-along of "Pharaoh, Pharaoh"
(discussed here a few months ago -- to the tune of "Louie, Louie").  Also, a
mock video-phone call from Al's mother on the overhead screen.  There was also
the "Brain-o-matic," which displayed the wearer's thoughts on the screen.  This
was a riot, as the audience members called on to help couldn't see what was
showing up on the screen behind them.

After the intermission/offering, Al did "Call Me."  The concert then moved into
praise and worship, starting with "Our God is an Awesome God."  Then Al led
"Oh How He Loves You and Me."  During this one, the screens showed scenes of 
Jesus teaching, entering Jerusalem, and being scourged and crucified.  My eyes
were more than a little moist.  Al then sang "Peace, Be Still."  The video for
this song showed horses running in a grassy meadow, majestic snow-capped
mountains, and a bald eagle soaring and landing in a tree-top.

Next Al gave the invitation, and the front of the church was packed with kids
coming to Christ for the first time or repenting of things that were hindering
their walk with God.  (Already on the tour they've seen over 6000 people make
decisions for Christ, and it's only been going for 2-1/2 weeks.)  I got to pray
with three high school boys in the counseling room.

If you get a chance to see Al Denson on The Extra Mile Tour, jump at it.

Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
From: SysOp@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Re: Stryper
Date: 15 Jan 93 23:24:45
Distribution: world
Organization: Narnia BBS


> was a year and a half ago.  Anybody got some more recent news?
> 
>               czos9 in Quincy, MA:  An OS9 Coco 3 UUCP Site
Concerning Stryper:  the latest that I heard Michael Sweet (I think it was
him) had left the band and they were looking for another singer.  

Oh my board, Narnia BBS is also a CoCo 3 UUCP site, running StG BBS.

Jim
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:27:43 GMT


For my $0.02

I didn't like _I predict 1990_.
_On The Fritz_ was OK. ("It's a personal thing" is great)
_Meltdown_ is by far my favorite ST album. love every song on it.

yeah, it's mostly synth (epseically meltdown). But I haven't grown
tired of _Meltdown_ yet. Call me musically impaired.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mattias@tse.uucp (Mattias Hembruch x0830)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:52:09 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <1993Jan25.172835.3295@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>
>
>                                           Robert E. McElwaine
>                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar

I sincerely feel sorry for you..

Mattias
-- 
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>> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the TSE. <<
E-mail: mattias@tse.asd.tse.ca
From: n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Geoff Lloyd Burian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and CDs
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:23:39 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1k1holINN22u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> petra@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle) writes:
[........]
>Somebody earlier mentioned Chagall Guevara doing something else (was it with
>the Newsboys?).  This is the first I've heard of it... could someone please
>explain?

Steve Taylor produced their latest album and co-wrote many of the songs on
it.  The album is nominated for a Grammy this year.  Its great (if you're
into that kind of music).

Geoff


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: gates@fc.hp.com (Bill Gates)
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:15:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]

bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.124006.165629@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
: > In article <1993Jan19.215757.10320@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
: >> 1.  What is the defintion of a Christian?
:
: Thanks to the person who noticed my slip......
: (I couldn't reply to your mail address)
:
: > One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about
: > himself, and the Bible's record of what he did 
:
: I meant to add "...and obeys Jesus' teaching"


Hmmmm.   Isn't this the definition of an OBEDIENT Christian?  In other words,
isn't

   : > One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about
   : > himself

sufficient?  I realize one's love for Christ is demonstrated by obedience to
Jesus' commands, but God's Grace seems to "allow for" disobedience without
the loss of salvation (note that I'm not advocating "license to sin" here).
Scripture states that a verbal confession that Jesus is Lord and a
belief in one's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead are sufficient to
be saved.  No mention of obedience to a set of commands.

Just some thoughts.

Bill