HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:42:34 GMT

drb@kepler.unh.edu (Dean R Biron) writes:
: >   Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
: >   > "The unexamined life is not worth living."
: 
: This quote is attributed to Socrates when he was being held in prison,
: shortly before being executed.  He was offered a chance to flee into exile
: but refused, saying that if he could not even express his thoughts in
: 'enlightened' Athens, how much worse it would be anywhere else.  Since
: the unexamined life is not worth living, he literally chose death.

What a twit!  (Socrates, not Dean :-)
The unexamined life is indeed something of a waste, but to choose to
die just because people don't like your opinions?  That's daft!
[Mike thinks, yet again, of recent arguments here, and people's
claims that they weren't being listened to ..]

OK, so I'm terribly cynical about highly-respected figures, esp.
the likes of Greek philosophers or playwrights of good repute.
This is probably because I'm too lazy to read them myself, so
I need to justify my ignorance by calling them dumb ... *smirk*

Mike the opinionated
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: FurryMUCK
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:20:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Would someone be so kind as to send me the address (and port) for
FurryMUCK?  Thanks.

-James

-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
If I could only reach you/If I could make you smile
If I could only reach you/That would really be a breakthough
-Queen, "Breakthru"=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: More fun photos
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:53:53 GMT

fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
: Kay writes:
: [on scanning]
: >Anyone interested?
: 
:  Yes! (yes, yes, and so forth).

Seconded! (and thirded, fourthed, and ad nauseamed).
I think there's little doubt that there's a demand for a piccie
source (pick your format - I'll have to learn what to do with it
whatever it is) to keep the far-flung soc.bi community in
ocular contact.  The indebtedness would be considerable ....

Mike, the visually undernourished
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e?
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:03:52 GMT

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
: 
: It seems that for classic greek homosexual appreciation of the male
: penial features, small was wonderful, large was for a buffoon, or a
: satyr.

Seems plausible, especially if one regards Greece as perhaps the
pivotal civilisation in forming the modern Patriarchal systems.
Consider: (tying in another thread) older men are seen as the
ideal.  They are not considered "female", or even "homosexual",
if they are penetrative.  Their targets for such would be boys,
the next rung down the social ladder.  These boys might often
be "underage" (depending on your definition).  Hence we have
a neat division of the world into Revered Old Men, pretty little
(underhung, anally receptive) boys, and then women and other
trivia.  Nope, doesn't surprise me a bit.

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: communication (was Re: The S & M debate)
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:53:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.182422.22238@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
|sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) said...
|>You're shy, Coe?  Wow!
  .
  .
  .
|<grin>  i guess my efforts at not seeming shy have been working.

  Efforts?  You mean you've been *practising*?

  Ohmigod....
                ____
  david parsons \bi/ From the land of brain-dead mailers
		 \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:02:30 GMT

jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) writes:
: 
: Anyway, I think this muffin is about ready...oven mitts anyone?

Oven mitts?  Ve don't need no steenking Oven Mitts!  Have bountious
unprotected e-hugs in welcome!

That's another great thing about hugging (ref another thread);
even without protection, you're pretty unlikely to catch much more
than a common cold, and given the rewards, I find abandon is the
best policy.

: Jim
: 
: " I think he went both'aways..."

Indeed.  Methinks you've come to the right place.

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:40:19 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <10898@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>
>'dulci et decorum est, pro patria mori' (I think)
>
>'It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country'
>
>(bleagh!) Quoted in Sassoon, I believe... or maybe Owen.
>(This is just to prove that I had a Real Education (tm) just like
>Colin and Tanaqui...:)
>
Owen, actually.  I didn't have a Real Education (tm) but I had to do the
wretched thing as part of my English Lit. O level.  Actually, Owen was
about the best of the poets we did, IMHO....


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
                              | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Soc.bi Meet in Ottawa
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6


Well, last night was the first meeting of soc.bi'ers in the Ottawa area.
A total of six people turned out... five of which have net access.  We
had dinner at Marble Works, and the food was delicious (IMHO)... although
Dave didn't care for the decaf.  The chocolate mousse cake was great. :)

Conversation was interesting.  Anything from introductions to talking 
about how great soc.bi is to talking about human sexuality.  I think a
few of the patrons near our table were getting an earful... it's about
time they learn something. *grin*  All in all, I thought it was kind of
fun... it was great to discuss human sexuality with people that don't
freak when you say homosexual and don't look puzzled when you say
bisexual. :)

Thanks to Elizabeth for organizing the event.  When and where's the next
one? ;)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein

PS: Do we qualify as a bi hotspot now?? ;)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 05:20:20 GMT

Sorry 'bout the bandwidth, folks.  This is for Orc.

orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
:                 ____
:   david parsons \bi/ The man with no email address.
: 		 \/

Yuk. Is this true, David?  I've sent you a few notes at sybase - are
those out of range of you?

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Wow
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:26:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep26.202449.15036@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
->In article <19uni5INN377@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
->>
->>Karl H. Thiessen (karlht@ocf.berkeley.edu) ... and if he wasn't a friend,
->>I'd mention that what he looks like, but I don't want him to get his mailbox
->>_too_ overburdened with flirts ... so I won't *grin*
->>
->>Hi Karl!! Are you sure about this?
->
->Hell of a time to ask him.  *grin*

*grin* yeah, but he's a muffin, so I can do it to him ... :)

Sorry ... Karl just sort of blows me away at the moment, being the only bi
person I have regular contact with (other than my TOCOTOX who doesn't
count).  In addition to this, he's also a soc.bi'er (though a rather
delicious muffin), so it's another one of those big rays of sunlight in my
life at the moment...

Life's good ...

-roy, who just finished doing the second most intimidating thing since he
 turned bi (first being coming out to my close friends) ... and darnit,
 buying a book shouldn't be that hard :)

-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport    rsr@soda.berkeley.edu  anonymus+328@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: michael@tfs.com (Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: /slant/ visits the UK
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:29:34 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

Well hello all,

I've just come back from a quick visit to the UK, mostly to visit my
family.

I had the pleasure of spending a wonderful day with the extremely
lovely Tanaqui in Oxford. Thanks for showing me around, Tanaqui!

I came out to my parents. I have very mixed feelings about it, but
that's not clear enough in my mind yet.

So this is just to welcome myself back!

*hugs and kisses*

/slant/
-- 
========================================================
Michael Shiloh			michael@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems		(510) 704-3520
Berkeley, Ca
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.235725.16758@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> 
 cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>I have always thought it might be amusing, once or twice, from an
>anthropological sense, but a date just doesn't seem like the best way
>to lead up to any sort of interaction, from a one-time fling to a
>long-term committment.

I have also generally avoided traditional "dates" (with some strange
and forgettable exceptions like high school proms) ... I feel like I get
a more realistic "connection" with people by sort of hanging out around the
edges of their lives -- talking while they sort the laundry, hearing about 
problems on the job or in school -- that sort of thing.  This is not
especially extravagant or romantic. (It likely produces more friendships,
fewer lovers and fewer spectactular rejections.)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Announcement: 2nd Int'l Bi Conf, London.
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:34:44 GMT
Organization: Cuddlehogs'R'Us.


The conference will be held from 9.30am to 5.30pm on Friday 23rd and
Saturday 24th October at Kentish Town Congregational Church, Kelly
Street, London NW1.  This is about 10 mins walk from both Camden Town
tube and Camden Road BR stations.

Registration will take place on the Thursday evening (22nd) at a venue
yet to be arranged, and from 9.30 to 10.30am at the conference venue.

The conference will be a mixture of workshops and plenary sessions,
with the first morning devoted to finding out about each other's country.

Within the conference, there will be a women-only conference on the
Saturday morning.

The conference venue is wheelchair accessible, and it is hoped to provide
deaf signing for the conference.  There is no smoking or drinking alcohol
on the premises.  Creche provision is available but must be booked in
advance.  Crash accomodation is available for those who need it - preference
being given to those travelling from abroad.  A list of hotels (incl a
Gay/Lesbian hotel list) is available.

Fees:  under pounds10,000 income: pounds 12.
                   20,000                18
                  >20,000                25.

Unwaged UK or EEC: pounds 7

Unwaged other countries: free.

Queries to:  2nd International Conference, LBG, BM BI, London WC1N 3XX
(phone queries, in English only: +44 81 568 1072)

US forms & queries: F. Klein, M.D., 4545 Park Boulevard, Suite 207,
San Diego, CA 92116
----
PS, Parenthetically, I have space for one (who knows who she is) *hug*
--
From: kmj1@PL122e.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:31:10 GMT
Organization: LUCC Student Konsultants

In article <dsuchy19.718260519@ursa> dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:

>Hello...

hello!  welcome!

>Oh, and bi the way, I am.>Um, y'know....Bi! [grin]

*hug*cuddle*tickle*lick*etc...

just had to hop on the wagon...

>Dawn

kate
--
--

______
\  __/___      kathleen marie jones          in wildness is the preservation
 \ \/   /    LUCC Student Konsultants            of the world
  \/\  /      kmj1@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu         so seek the wolf in thyself
     \/  [insert humorous statement here]      --metallica, _of_wolf_and_man_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:36:51 GMT

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:

>I'm like to pursue the question of what are the "natural habitats"
>of bisexuals in today's society -- spaces that are bi-friendly or
>tolerant enough to encourage bis to be visible.

> - FurryMUCK 

>(I haven't been there, but it's got a reputation ;)

Heh! Pretty amusing to find a MU* name in this newsgroup. Another place
that is something of a nice place to be is TinyTIM. It's the oldest
MU* running (It's a MUSH) and one of the wizards, Trout.Complex (me :)
is bisexual, as are MANY of the players. Don't get me wrong. It's not
a bisexual society or anything, it's just a place where a number of 
players feel comfortable walking around and being out. It's currently
down (temporarily) but will be up again on:
pipebomb.spies.com 6250
Most likely by the end of the week. I suppose this has been an ad :)
--John Rescigno,
aka Trout.Complex
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: Rational
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:17:58 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:


>   Perhaps.  I have noticed, however, that it's "harder" (for lack of a
>better term) for us bisexual men to connect with motss partners we feel
>comfortable with than it is for bisexual women.  It's been _my_
>personal experience that, while gay men could care less if you're
>bisexual, lesbians who are willfully open are able to "connect" with
>bisexual women easier.

What do you mean by lesbians who are wilfully open?

I find that it can be very difficult with lesbians, bi-phobia with in the
lesbian community is rife.  Another thing I find is that bi women who are
not involved to some extent with the gay community can be easy to connect
with on a sexual level, but may not be so interested in having longterm
relationships.  

Iseult.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.39031
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct4.011145.5067@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <38932@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
+>
+>Personally I like Carbon Dating. It really does give reasonably
+>acruate results. Traditional dates have been proven to be in error.
+>
+>Funny I don't think I've heard of the 'High School Prom' dating
+>method. Does it use some new scientific technique?
+
+You find out what the theme song was at someone's H.S. prom, compare
+it with Billboard's greatests hits list, and you've dated them...

No wonder it's been difficult for me to date people. I never learned the
pop chart.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley])
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:43:42 GMT

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
> "The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
> from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
> the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

Oscar Wilde. (I'm almost certain).

moz
From: terryh@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Terry Heatlie - Sun U.K.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 29 Sep 1992 11:39:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: terry.heatlie@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: virgil.uk.sun.com

In article <1992Sep29.015750.9086@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|>  pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
|> 
|> > Ok, here's what I could come up with.  I didn't find anything that
|> > directly addresses non-destructive expression of anger the way that
|> > the previously recommended _Dance of Anger_ does, but you could
|> > consider these supplementary reading.  (I learned how to deal with 
|> > anger (sort of) in therapy so I'm lacking in written references).
|> 
|> > Tao Te Ching
|> > Lao Tzu
|> >   Just had to throw this one in the list.
|> 
|> Ah, but which translation? The Jane English and Gia Fu Feng one is my fave.
|> 
|> Tanaqui 
Can anyone give me the title of this in chinese characters?  I can only
read a few characters at the moment, but I would love to have the whole
book in characters.  I belive its called the book of 2k characters by some
people - so there would be a lot less to cope with than a chinese novel.
Only problem is, the last shop I was in hadn't heard
of it - I think I must have been pronouncing it wrong :-(  So if I had
the title in characters I would be able to just pick it off the shelves.

Thanks for any help,


Regards,
Terry Heatlie.

Disclaimer:  all my own work (except this disclaimer, which I nicked).
*** Nobody knows I'm an anarcho-pacifist vegan bisexual ***
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ECSD and soc.bi
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:09:26 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

From ~crj10/News/soc/bi/KILL:

  /^From: ecsd@tfs.com/h:j
  /: *ECSD and soc.bi/:j

I only got back to soc.bi today, after being away all summer. This
evening, while I sifted through an 800-message backlog, I have hit a
few firsts with my use of Usenet:
  - First time I've ever started to dislike someone just for what they
    say and how they say it, in electronic form.
  - First time I've ever taken a profound dislike to someone having
    never met them, and having only been exposed to evidence of their
    existence for a mere four hours.
  - First time I've ever killfiled a PERSON (I hope it works - I had
    to man rn to check the details of how to do it...)
  - First time I've ever followed up a thread at the same time as
    killing it.
  - First time I've ever really felt like flaming someone good and
    hard.

So - feel free to use my name in any or all lists of people who seek
to avoid having to read what this ECSD person posts to soc.bi . This
is the first time I've ever held such a low opinion of someone's
posting, so I don't take this lightly. (Yes, I do know Ted Kaldis...)

Anyway, I know soc.bi isn't *supposed* to be flirty and huggy and
secure-feeling, but I much preferred it when it was. That side of
things is being marginalised now - I wouldn't mind it being
marginalised by well-maintained discussion of bisexual issues, but the
current tone of debate is not my idea of fun. )-8

Well, that's my 2p on the subject. I've killed this thread - if you
*really* want to follow it up with me, then send e-mail, but I don't
promise to reply to it!

Sigh,

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Subject: soc.bi travel agency 
Organization: CS Dept, University of the Witwatersrand
Date:  5 Oct 92 13:08:50 GMT

In <1992Oct2.125656.6191@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <s882916.717839639@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>> I, too have seen  the photos Joe Woodhouse was sent, 
>> in fact I think every person in Melbourne has seen them. 
>> Joe stops people on the corners and says "hey look at my 
>> beautiful photos." I must admit they are quite cute especially 
>> that one of Mike. Hmm. I'll be in the US sometime next year!!!!!
>We tremble in anticipation...
>(We should start a soc.bi travel agency ;)

I second that idea, especially seeing that I don't even get photos over
here (Can't wait for them to be scanned).

Vashti, bored and trying to avoid some proofs that really should be in
the appendix of her thesis
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Vashti Galpin                      vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa.  Tel 27(11)716-3295 Fax 27(11)403-1926