From: noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan)
Subject: Re: interesting [and scary] blurb...
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:32:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.213801.14675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec30.184941.6791@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
|> >How can anyone sit here and say, "I don't want so-and-so to have my
|> >organs because I don't agree with his political views."
|> 
|> I don't see why you think this is so unreasonable.  If someone has spent
|> so much of their life working towards their values and dreams why would
|> they want to help someone with the opposive values and dreams ?

Using this logic, why don't you just go out and kill them today?  Why
trust the less certain method of hoping they have a tragedy and so
that you can refuse them life?  Why wait until they do more damage to
your values and dreams?

|> It would cause me great distress, today, that someone who was opposed
|> to my ideals of person freedom and liberty could ever get their facist
|> paws on my organs.  Let them die in agony, I say.  Why should I be party
|> to their continued attacks on the freedom and liberty of my friends and
|> family after my organs are in their body and they are healthy again ?
|> 
|> Why the hell would I want to do that ?
|> 
|> Why the hell would you want to do that with your own values and dreams ?

Well, I guess my values are that everyone has a right to life first
and foremost, regardless of *their* values.

|> >I am personally disgusted that someone could have the potential to be
|> >so selfish to not share something of which they have no need.
|> 
|> Be disgusted; you won't get my organs either.
|> 
|> I am not an altruist.  Why is it so hard to comprehend that some people
|> feel strongly about their values and dreams ?

My blow up was because *I* felt so strongly.

|> If you have no values and dreams, well, fine, give your kidney
|> to Jeffery Dahmer.  Actualy, don't he'll just eat it.
|> 
|> >Everyone should be a donor.  It shouldn't even be a question.
|> 
|> Sure it should.  Some people have a religous objection to it, perhaps
|> their God doesn't approve of mutilation.  Some people, mostly women,
|> don't want to donate those organs which would result in disfiguration.

Disfiguration?  After death?

|> Some people are just bothered a great deal about the idea of having
|> their guts ripped out, even after they are dead.  Not a pleasant thought.
|> 
|> Ever consider donating your body to science ?  That's very noble; however,
|> you ought to do it with full knowledge of what can happen to your body.
|> For example, it could be frozen solid and then sliced into 1 inch cross
|> sections.  Sounds like fun, eh ?  It gets more grotesque than that.  Just
|> ask anyone who has taken an anatomy class.

I considered it.  As of now I am "merely" a donor.  And your right, that
does sound kind of gross.  Hopefully I will get over that feeling and
reason will prevail.

[snip]
|> Or do you believe personal property, e.g., the house I spent years
|> paying for and working on, should also be "shared" with whoever
|> needs it ?  Why is that any different, assuming noone else lives there
|> and the mortgage is paid off ?  I don't need it anymore, I'm dead!

In an ideal world, yes.  And I know we don't live in one.

|> >Complete bullshit.  That doctor should go to jail and never get out.
|> 
|> Grant it's far fetched, but it's within the realm of possibility, which
|> is all that Andy is stating.
|> -- 
|> Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com

Let me apologize for flying off the handle, but the value that I feel
most strongly about is that everyone deserves a chance at life, no
matter what kind of scoundrel they are.  Perhaps I am too idealistic.

It was just so shocking to me that you all were talking about refusing
life to other people in such a cavalier manner!

I was stunned, frankly.  That is, however, no excuse.

Mike Noonan
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