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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:00:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.225414.11030@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
(Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.191651.16268@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>Is suicide illegal in California?
>
>Exsqueeze me, but isn't this more than just a little stupid to ask?
>If you're going to do it, then just take the plunge and get it over with....
>Otherwise it just sounds like more attention-getting to me.

First of all, I _never_ said that _I_ wanted to commit suicide.
Please read carefully before you expectorate your stupidity.

>
>Think of it like this:
>1. I've never known a law enforcement agency whose jurisdiction extends
>beyond the grave.
>2. If you screw up, you're going to have so much crap to deal with from
>hospitals, shrinks, friends, etc., a cop or two is going to resolve themselves
>into a mere courtesy detail and it isn't really going to matter one way or
>another...

Then, I'd suggest that you open your eyes.  There is at least one state
with a law that outlaws suicide.  If a person fails in his suicide
attempt, that person will likely be locked up for a while--losing all
his civil liberties, including the right to die.

Next time, please think before you fart.

By the way, my question remains to be answered.  "Is suicide illegal in
California?"  I'd like to know the answer just for my own curiosity.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Assie ban on "Final Exit" partially lifted
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:08:28 GMT


According to an article in Publisher's Weekly, the Australian government
has relaxed the total ban on Derek Humphrey's _Final Exit_.  Now it
can be sold but only to adults over 18.  The article mentioned that
similar restrictions exist for _American Psycho_.
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:12:27 GMT

In article <92211.015736U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> Brady Woodward <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>(Stephen J. Okay) says:
>
>>Well, for one thing, the Bradford crew isn't here...they're either
>>dead  or home until the fall....
>
>Yes, this is a good point and it does take away one of the more
>despondent posters.  I hope he feels better with some time off and away,
>hopefully sitting in the sun.

Horribly cruel and sadistic ASH-like thought:
Lets run a net.pool on how many times we think he's going to try it this
year and whether or not he'll succeed. I say more than 10 and no he won't.

An attempt would qualify as a posting from him saying something like "Goodbye
Cruel World" or "Well, they just let me out of the hospital again...."

The winner gets death in his choice of island resorts...(Better stir up the
lava Kali, company's coming! }:) }:) )

>>As for SAD, I'm almost convinced that I am affected given the fact that
>>I happen to get horribly depressed during the fall and winter, esp. here in
>>Va. where its always so cold and dark and rainy during the winter. About the
>
>Let us all make a vow to outlaw November and February from the
>calendar year.  :)))


MY GOD!!!...I don't believe I'm going to say this but here goes
(And remember folks, you heard it here first)
Brady and I actually agree on something....
*shudder*

---Steve
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"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)
Subject: Re: Warning signs
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.221211.1128@comp.lancs.ac.uk> arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Andrew Brooks) writes:
>There are few sections of society which are not touched by the increasing
>problem of suicide amongst young people.  Richard Loochtan and Richard

Just a sign O' the times. Nothing touching about it... And I don't see a
problem. I've been saying we'd see it for years.

>  1. Signs of depression (sleeplessness; gradual or sudden loss of
>appetite; persistent boredom or lack of interest; concentration
>difficulties; lack of energy of initiative)

Hmmm, I can't sleep. (That's why I'm up now. I get up in 5 hours.) I've been
eating less, no good reason. No appetite. I'm bored to tears and nothing that
I normally find enjoyable holds any interest. My attention span is very short
as of late. I have NO motivation.

>  2. Sudden personality changes (withdrawal from family or friends;
>apathy; moodiness; unexplained or unusually violent behaviour; unusual
>neglect of personal appearance)

I avoid my family. Stopped seeing my (ex)best friend. And the rest of my
freinds at over 2hrs away. moodiness? Ask the guys who work for me...
Does randomly loosing it and punching walls/vehicles count? Well, I still
shower... But I keep forgetting to shave and I'm letting my hair grow.

>  3. Suicide threats, even if made jokingly

Who me? Of course. All the time as a.s.h members know.

>  4. Previous suicide attempts

One, and another oh so close.

>  5. Statements indicative of a preoccupation with death

Me, preoccupied with death? Nah... (read any of my posts lately?)

>  6. Drug and/or alcohol abuse

Well, I have managed to stop the bottle of So-Co a week I was doing. As well
as some other things...

>  7. Unexplained decline in the quality of schoolwork

Hey, I almost failed out last year...

>  8. Psychosomatic complaints

I have been having headaches for weeks... My body aches... Leg is sore...
But I think those all go to work and lack of rest.

>  9. `Final arrangements' (such as giving away personal possessions).

I was just talking about how I really should write up a will.

>It looks as though I'm near the end, folks!  There's only two on the
>list that don't apply to me, but I'm working on them...

Looks like I've got BOTH feet in the grave... Maybe I should take my pulse,
just to make sure... Hmmm... Maybe this is a message. Time for me to go?

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
Reply-To: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.134746.16452@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <92211.015736U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>, U56503@uicvm.uic.edu (Brady Woodward) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.150054.8334@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>>(Stephen J. Okay) says:
>>
>>>As for SAD, I'm almost convinced that I am affected given the fact that
>>>I happen to get horribly depressed during the fall and winter, esp. here in
>>>Va. where its always so cold and dark and rainy during the winter. About the
>>
>>Same thing here in Chi.  I get out my lights usually about the second
>					^^^^^
>WHere might one find such lights, besides outside?

In Article <1992Jul29.134746.16452@news.csbrandeis.edu>  Rich asks where you
can get the lights.  I have used used the lights (two incandescent bulbs) for
many years now with good results.  I see now that flourescents are used in most
of the boxes offered by the catalogs, that would take care of the one thing I
don't like about the bulbs and that is the heat produced by them.  Advantages
of the set-up I have is that it is very portable and inexpensive to acquire.  I
have had these so long I can't remember the cost, but all tha tis involved is
two clip-on reflectors and the bulbs (which must be full-spectrum in order to
be of any use).  I use GroLites, but there are many other brands available. 
Although the lights have been o.k. for me on their own for many years they are
no longer enough and I have had to start using medication.  But, as they say,
"go to any lenghts" ?sp.  If there is more info.  needed I can send the
protocol used in the studies I participated in.  S. Williams
From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Winter Depression?
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:42:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute



My thoughts:
One, many of the people are gone for the summer.
Two, personally I've posted more dark stuff this summer than last winter.
Three, College is in session in winter. Tests, projects, higher stress, etc.

That's about it.
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Black Wednesday
From: kupixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:24:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

   what is the point of this newsgroup?  you'd figger that after all this
time you'd be a pile of cold dead bodies; why do you keep dragging out the
inevitable?  and why's it a.s.holiday?  you expect the government to 
memorialize the day(s) of your death(s)?   geez, get on with it--put 
yourselves out of my misery.

KUpixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu

ps. god loves you.  do it.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: azathoth@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Keith Counsell)
Subject: Apology
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:23:50 GMT

i'm very sorry to have wasted your time with my jokes, but please do realize 
that i meant them as just that; jokes.  i realize that i offended some 
people, and that was certainly not my intention.  i also realize that this
is, in any event, hardly the place to start a running commentary of humor; i
suppose i just wanted to inject a bit of levity into the discussion of a
subject which probably didn't belong here in the first place.  again, my 
sincere apologies.

now would someone kindly send me the methods file? thank you.
--

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			Morals?  What are they?
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Black Tuesday
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:03:56 GMT


In article <1682CAE53.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> In article <mordea.0u0e@terapin.com>
> mordea@terapin.com (Annie Benson) writes:
> >
> >   Man, this is a depressing newsgroup.  You people should either lighten up or
>         Maybe you should find another newsgroup to read.  For real yucks i
>     recommend alt.personals.
> >off yourselfs.  If you choose to do the later, wait till November, vote for
> >Clinton so the rest of us have something to live for, then do it.
>      Uh, huh.  Since when did the a.s.h. folks in Britain or Germany have
>      access to the ballot in U.S. elections?  It`s a big world out there,
>      ya know.
> e.k.

Good point, e.k.  While I try to limit distribution on geographically
oriented messages to the appropriate areas I sometimes forget.  Thanks
for the reminder.


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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.13532.10174@ms.uky.edu>, borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>
>>   If a psychotherapist decides that someone is a potential danger to
>>themselves or others they can be locked up against their will.  If a family
>>member thinks that you are a danger to yourself or others and can convince a
>>psychiatrist that they are right you can be locked up against your will.
>>This puts a lot of unconstitutional power into the hands of someone over the
>>lives of others, but so far it hasn't been abused to the point that there is
>>any sort of outcry over the practice (probably the majority of people locked
>>up involuntarily are in some need of mental health care.)
>
>Well now, that all depends.. More often then not, it depends on who's story
>you believe (the patient is often never even asked or told a damn thing).
>Sometimes those that helped committ the poor victim are exaggerating and/or
>lying. For instance, I know a man that was locked away because they said he
>was violent. Turns out that he struck a person down (beat them over the head
>quite badly.. it was a relative) only AFTER that person had stabbed him in a
>fit of rage. When the psychiatrist inquired about the gaping kitchen knife
>wound, the family said that it was self-inflicted. I shit you not. And that's
>just ONE story..


AZlso depends on what state yer in, as in the US laws vary drasticly
from one to the next.  I can vouch for this from having been in various states
with people from various states in various states;}--rich
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.020044.6936@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.225414.11030@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>(Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.191651.16268@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>
>>>Is suicide illegal in California?
>>
>>Exsqueeze me, but isn't this more than just a little stupid to ask?
>>If you're going to do it, then just take the plunge and get it over with....
>>Otherwise it just sounds like more attention-getting to me.
>
>First of all, I _never_ said that _I_ wanted to commit suicide.
>Please read carefully before you expectorate your stupidity.

Perhaps I should have been more contextually clear and said that I meant the
collective or "royal" you, not you specifically.

I guess I just don't get it. If a person were seriously considering doing it
I'd think the possible legal ramifications would be one of the last things
to consider.

>>Think of it like this:
>>1. I've never known a law enforcement agency whose jurisdiction extends
>>beyond the grave.
>>2. If you screw up, you're going to have so much crap to deal with from
>>hospitals, shrinks, friends, etc., a cop or two is going to resolve themselves
>>into a mere courtesy detail and it isn't really going to matter one way or
>>another...
>
>Then, I'd suggest that you open your eyes.  There is at least one state
>with a law that outlaws suicide.  If a person fails in his suicide
>attempt, that person will likely be locked up for a while--losing all
>his civil liberties, including the right to die.

Exactly my point....next time maybe you should think before you flame.
If you screw up, you're most likely to end up in a mental ward tied down
for no inconsiderable length of time. The police will merely be one of your
worries, and they at least will not be trying to shove guilt and drugs down
your throat. Besides, most cases of suicide that reach a legal stage are dropped
if the "patient" has shown that they've been through some sort of treatment or
therapy. The shrinks and others are a lot mroe to worry about IMHO and all the
more reason to get it right the first time.

----Steve 
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in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: evans@jazz.concert.net (Larry Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Depressed=submissive
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:24:21 GMT
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC

I know a man who just took his life and I'm wondering what
happens to his debts.  He was legally separated from
his wife and has joint custody of his two children.  I
think he had life insurance policy through the company
he worked for four years.  Does his estranged wife pick
up his debts, his parents or does the life insurance
policy pay off the debts first.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 02:33:00 CDT
From: Brady Woodward <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Socrates (was Re: Warning signs)
 <1992Jul23.034645.19771@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Jul23.172144.29326@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1992Jul23.193102.17134@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <DRW.92Jul27110910@kronecker.mit.edu>

In article <DRW.92Jul27110910@kronecker.mit.edu>, drw@kronecker.mit.edu (Dale R.
Worley) says:

>the end of the trial, Socrates told the jury, "You will be remembered
>for this!"  I rate it as the world's longest-lived I-told-you-so.  He
>wasn't known as The Gadfly for nothing...

And did you know that it is not the hemlock tree that is the poisonous
plant but a totally unrelated hemlock bush.  The hemlock tree is entirely
safe and it is a favorite food of deer, who thrive on it.

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Dale Worley wins the creative signature of the week award hereby bestowed
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From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Subject: Re: Suicide Pacts
Reply-To: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:57:25 GMT




	How come suicide is illegal???

	More government stupidity???

	J

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: hoop@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Don Hooper)
Subject: A holiday (perhaps) for A.S.Holiday
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:05:56 GMT

Though the "holiday" part of ash is usually overlooked, today
is a "red letter day" of sorts, when we could honor the memory
of a great artist.

Today, July 29, is the 102nd anniversary of the suicide of 
Vincent van Gogh.  

It just seems like something ASH might like to know.  ;)
-- 
Don Hooper,   hoop@noaacrd.colorado.edu
From: arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Andrew Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Are you sleeping comfortably?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:49:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Certified Lunatics, UK.


Here is an interesting extract from Depression Briefing, Volume 3, Number 2,
May 1992.  It is a review of a paper which appeared in Psychiatry Research.


Perchance to attempt suicide
----------------------------
The results of another survey aimed at investigating the special
characteristics of suicide attempters were published recently.  Dr Charles
Reynolds and collaborators from the Western Psychiatric Institute
and Clinic, University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA, compared the
sleep of patients with major depressive illness, both with and without
a history of attempted suicide, and non-psychiatric research volunteers.
They looked at the electrical activity of the brain during sleep (the EEG,
or electroencephalogram), with particular reference to sleep accompanied
by rapid movement of the eyes (REM, or rapid-eye-movement sleep) which
is thought to have a particular association with dreaming.  They also
noted how long it took their patients to fall asleep (sleep latency),
the efficiency of sleep, and delta-wave counts (ie. a measure of slow
oscillations in the electrical output of the brain).

A variety of differences were noted between the three groups.
For example, it was found that subjects who had attempted suicide
took longer to get to sleep, slept less efficiently, and showed fewer
late-night delta-waves, than non-psychiatric controls.  Suicide attempters
had more REM sleep than non-attempters in the second sleep period.
There were other differences too.

Again, interpretation of such findings is difficult in our present
state of understanding of the way in which the brain works and what is
going on in the different stages and forms of sleep.  The investigators
make an attempt to link their findings to the involvement of serotin
(or 5-hydroxytryptamine), and important neurotransmitter substance (see
Depression Briefing Volume 2, Number 4, pp.201-218), in both sleep and
the suicide impulse.

Sabo, E., Reynolds C.F., Kupfer, D.J. & Breman, S.R. (1991).  "Sleep,
depression, and suicide."  Psychiatry Research, 63, 265-277.
-- 
arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Cars....
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.131728.17537@decuk.uvo.dec.com>, jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers) writes:
>	I've always reckoned that if I do kill myself I'll do it in a car with
>	a hosepipe in the exhaust feeding the fumes back into the car, any idea
>	how long it takes (I guess the volume of the car is gonna be a factor,
>	but lets say it was a 2 seat sports car, (it is)), how painful is it?

From what I heard, it's not painful at all.  You "feel like superman" until
you get dizzy and pass out.  

As for duration, I think it's in the methods file.  I'd guess 5-30 minutes.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
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