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From: sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz)
Subject: Re: XView 3 on SGI running IRIX 4.0.5 - Help please
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:48:57 GMT


In article <74211@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) writes:
> I have gotten the sgi-unofficial-patch for xview and applied it on an SGI
> running IRIX 4.0.5.  The main program comes up fine, but when I press any
> buttons that aren't menus, the console freezes.  The code never reaches the
> PANEL_NOTIFY_PROC, so it's locking up somewhere in the xview code.  Has anyone
> encountered this, and if so, how did they fix it?  I did apply Patch-01 and
> Patch-02 before the sgi patches.
> 
> Things are kinda desperate right now, so I'd really appreciate any help I can
> get.  Please respond via email.
> 


For all of you still struggling...

Since some of you have been asking, here is how to circumvent the
XView-4.0.5 bug:

THE BUG:
   Any XView application run under the IRIX 4.0.5 Xsgi X11-server
   will lock the Server on first mouse click and no more release
   it until killed from somewhere else.
   
SOLUTIONS:
  a) Run the application with '-Wfsdb' on the command line. Alternatively
     you could use '-fullscreendebug'. 
     
  b) If you have the sources, add
  
         extern int fullscreendebug; 
     
     e.g. before main() and 
     
         fullscreendebug = 1;
         
     after the xv_init(...) call. This forces the program to set this
     flag in any case - also when run with non-xview-buggy servers. But
     it releases you of the danger of omitting -Wfsdb and locking your
     screen.
     
  c) ONLY, if the program uses the 'fullscreen' package, you might add
        
        Fullscreen.Debug: True
        
      in $HOME/.Xresources or specify this resource on the command
      line.  This flag currently disables grabs in both the 'window'
      and the 'fullscreen' package, but is only set from resources
      in the 'fullscreen' package.


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: scornd4@solomon.technet.sg (Joomeng Quek)
Subject: Re: Looking for an Interactive User Interface Builder
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:43:38 GMT

UIM/X by Visual Edge Software Ltd
      UNIXWORLD's 1990 product of the year.
      Now in ver 2.0

See UNIXWORLD May 1992, pg77.

Also marketed as IBM's AIC (AixWindows Interface Composer) and
I think,
HP's Interface Architect.

available on several platforms, see article in UNIXWORLD
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: How display a GL application on remote X server ???
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:23:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Nov12.092319.18572
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <toepfer.721397492@du9ds4>, toepfer@du9ds4.uni-duisburg.de (Hansjoerg Toepfer) writes:

> I have remote access to an IRIS Indigo.
> Is it possible to run remote GL applications with display on my SUN
> under X11?

Not unless you have a very unusual server running on your Sun.  You
need a server that supports GL as well as X.  Standard MIT X doesn't;
as far as I know no such server exists except for SGI's servers for
SGI's machines.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Using X over the modem???
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:23:31 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: na
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Originator: tmcconne@sedona


In article <1992Nov10.063612.5941@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.200137.19985@newstand.syr.edu>, jdlin@rodan.acs.syr.edu () writes:
> 
  <stuff deleted>
> There do exist protocols for running X over slow lines.  One of them
> (XRemote) is, last I heard, being used as the basis for a Consortium
> effort to develop a standard for such things; I do not know what the
> current state of this effort is, but I'm fairly sure that it's
> currently bleeding-edge technology...and if you were ready to get into
> that can of worms, you wouldn't have needed to ask what you did.
> 
> 					der Mouse
> 
> 			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu

  I am using xrn using XRemote from NCD as we speak, over a 14.4kbaud serial
connection to a Solbourne S4000. The connection is actually closer to 9600 baud,
due to serial port limitations on the S4000. Performance is quite good, although
I would not recommend viewing bitmaped images.

  A 290x128 8-bit color bitmap takes 37 seconds to render. Performance improves
dramatically when I turn backing store on (for redraws, getting the image in
the first place is still slow), but memory use increases at a tremendous rate.
For  most of what I do (software development, simple plotting, simple
graphics) this is an almost ideal environment.

  What I am really waiting for is the Low Bandwidth X (LBX) stuff that is
supposed to come with X11R6. It is based on XRemote, and should be freely
available, unlike XRemote, which is propriatary. At that point you should be
able to run X wherever you want, on anything that can support a serial port and
X. Visions of [vendor's] palmtop, establishing a serial link via [telephone,
hand-held satellite link, Ouji board] to X applications from [home, hotel,
sailboat]. Pretty neat.

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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From: censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: XGOLF
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:12:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

I am looking for the source of XGOLF. I got a copy from an archive in Finland, but it is incomplete. Has anyone got a working version of this, the please E-mail me

Thanks.

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From: nathan@inmos.co.uk (Nathan Sidwell)
Subject: Getting pixel values from a pixmap
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:51:04 GMT

In a conversion program I'm writing I need to read some pixel values back
from a depth 1 pixmap, after doing some drawing to the pixmap. The easiest
way I can figure out how to do this is

image = XGetImage(display, pixmap, x, y, 1, 1, (long)1, XYBitmap);
pixel = XGetPixel(image, 0, 0);
XDestroyImage(image);

is there a better way? ie one that reads directly from the pixmap.

nathan
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Latin Font in X
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:10:42 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Nov5.032211.12627@uxmail.ust.hk>, csandrew@uxmail.ust.hk (Andrew Wat) writes:

> I need to display French in my xterm.  Which font should I use or
> get?

Any of the *-iso8859-1 fonts *should* do fine, and most of them will
(though, for use with xterm, there is the additional caveat that you
want a character-cell, or at least a monospaced, font).  Nearly all of
the fonts shipped with R4 and R5 claim to use iso8859-1 encoding; most
of them actually do so.  (The R4 "fixed" is one notable exception; it
has no characters in the high half at all.)

					der Mouse

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: carson@cs.columbia.edu (Carson A. Gaspar)
Subject: HELP: xxgdb patches 4 and 5 missing
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:00:22 GMT

xxgdb and patches 1,2,3, and 6 are available from the various
comp.sources.x archives, but I can't find patches 4 and 5 anywhere.
Can anyone help me out?


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From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: XDrawPoint unreliable with some servers
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:37:23 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy

In article <1992Nov12.224339.28874@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>,
gfreeman@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Graham Freeman) writes:
|> All I want to know is why it is unreliable.)

Hmm, perhaps a bug in the X11R3 server?   :-)

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From: chrisp@cephb.cephb.fr (Chris Person)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xsetroot for VMS/DecWindows
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:12:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Hi,

I look for program equivalent to xsetroot on X/Unix machine but for VMS runnin g 
DecWindows. this program must be able to load standard bitmap files .

If other format could be supported at the same time, it would be great.

Does anybody know where I could transfer such program from?

Thanks

Christophe


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From: craigm@chateau-rouge.ICS.UCI.EDU (Craig MacFarlane)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: PHIGS color question.
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:47:39 GMT

I'm using SunPHIGS 2.0 with X11R5.

I am using the fill area set primitive to draw a number of closed
polygons.  Each set of polygons gets a different fill color, but
when PHIGS draws the filled polygons, it uses a funny looking hatch
pattern in the colors.  Rather, the polygon is not solid blue, it's
blue with a pattern running through it.  Has anybody else experienced
this?  Is there some way of telling PHIGS I want a *solid* color?

Here is code for those who are interested.

Thanks much,
Craig

--------------------------------------------------------------------

  pset_face_disting_mode(PDIST_NO);

  pset_int_shad_meth(PSD_NONE);
  pset_back_int_shad_meth(PSD_NONE);

  pset_int_style(PSTYLE_SOLID);
  pset_int_colr(&fore_color);

  pset_back_int_style(PSTYLE_SOLID);
  pset_back_int_colr(&back_color);

  facet_data = new Pfacet_data3;
  f_flag = PFACET_COLOUR;
  facet_data->colr.direct.rgb.red = color->red;
  facet_data->colr.direct.rgb.green = color->green;
  facet_data->colr.direct.rgb.blue = color->blue;

  pfill_area_set3_data(f_flag, PEDGE_NONE, v_flag, PMODEL_RGB, facet_data,
                       number_fill_areas, (Pedge_data_list *)NULL, v_data);
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,misc.books.technical
From: eap@ora.com (Eric Pearce)
Subject: Re: X Window System bibliography
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:28:31 GMT

klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes:

>In article <Bx9FBs.Aoq@ora.com>, david@ora.com (David Flanagan) writes:
>|> In any case, I've prepared a bibliography of all the O'Reilly X books,
>|> suitable for merging with or appending to Ken's bibliography.

>Thanks, David, for preparing this list. It is really useful if you search
>for a book on an author basis. Could you please put it on
>export.lcs.mit.edu as, say, /contrib/Xbibliography.OReilly beside Ken's
>list until Ken gets convinced to include it?
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You can also search for information on the O'Reilly series by using our gopher
server:  telnet to "gopher.ora.com" and login as user "gopher" or "xgopher"
to the same machine.  Book descriptions and their tables of contents can be
searched for any string.

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From: PHYGONS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xterm vt100 <-> tek4010 switching
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:26:27 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

I am new to X. Am running it on a Sun IPX. I can switch manually from
xterm vt100 to tex4010 windows using the mouse menus, but can't seem
to get a graphics application program to do it. Escape sequences
which work e.g. in kermit emulation do not do it. Sorry if this is
a trivial question. Would appreciate information on how this can be
done.
 
Thanks
 
Richard
phygons@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
From: totty@flute.cs.uiuc.edu (Brian Totty)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: ??? Idraw Clip Art Collection ???
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:51:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Nov9.235101.17309
Organization: Picasso Group, DCS, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign


	Does anyone have a collection of useful Idraw images?  By useful,
	I mean that someone else might want to use the image.

	If people have useful images, I'd like to form an Idraw clip art
	collection.  Any interest in contributing?  If so, send me a shar
	file of a directory containing your images and a file called INDEX
	that describes the images.


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: sbhatia@mary.fordham.edu (SABU)
Subject: How to resize image when windowis resized by user
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:29:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Distribution: usa
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
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Hi,

   I CURRENTLY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN WHICH I USE XLIB TO PLOT CERTAIN
2-D CURVES. THE PROBLEM I AM ENCOUNTERING ARE-:

   (1.)  The user  resizes the window. Currently what I do is that on
recivg the specific events I get the co-ordinates of the new location
of the window and determine the new size. Next I clear the entire 
window, and then rescale the co-ordinates of my graph based on this
new information and redraw it. This is an awful lot of work and for
complex graphs consisting of multiple curves I notice a significant
slow down. Is there a better way to do this.

  (2.) Expose events. When my window receives an expose event for instance
it has just got uncovered by a window I redraw the whole graph all over
again. Is there an efficient method whereby I can just just redraw
only the portion that has been destroyed.


thanks,

sabu 

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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Want to overlay bitmap onto a pixmap
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:59:46 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <RPB.92Nov3144841@brain.psy.ox.ac.uk>, rpb@psy.ox.ac.uk (Ray Bellis) writes:
> I have an application where a 3D wireframe object is rendered
> into a 1 bit deep pixmap and a shaded version is rendered into
> an 8 bit deep pixmap.  I'd like to overlay the wireframe image
> onto the shaded image, and have the wire frame appear in white
> on top, with the original black parts of the wireframe not
> altering the shaded image.  I've tried using an XCopyArea
> with a GCFunction of GXor but that doesn't seem to work.

OK, first I'll asume that white pixels = 1 in your 1 bit deep pixmap
                          black pixels = 0 in your 1 bit deep pixmap

1) First we need to mask out (remove) all bits in the 8 bit pixmap where the
   white pixels exist. so:-

   GCFunction of GXandInverted and do XCopyArea.

2) Now we must OR our values of white into the 8 bit pixmap. So:-

   GCFunction of GXor and do XCopyArea.

Note that I haven't address the fact that you're dealing with 8 bit and 1 bit
pixmaps. All I'm doing is addressing the fact you must remove data before you
plot data.

Note, that you could also use XCopyPlane for each of teh 8 planes. This is 
probably not what yu want and will be slower than 1 XCopyArea.
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From: streeter_s@apollo.HP.COM (Stephen Streeter)
Subject: Looking for information on XLoad
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:21:27 GMT
Distribution: world 
Organization: HP Chelmsford Response Center 

What OS and/or X server activities does xload keep track of
and how are these activities converted to a spike in the xload
window?

(I think the answer to this was posted before, but I can't find it.)

Steve Streeter 


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)
Subject: RE: Enable UNIX X clients to display in DecWindows...
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:10:43 GMT

#
#I'm trying to run an X-client on a UNIX box and display the window
#on a VXT2000 running DecWindows.  How do I enable DecWindows
#to accept the client.  I'd like to do something like 
#
#xhost +unix.machine
#
#on the DCL command line in VMS.  I know VMS has its own command, I haven't
#been able to find it.
#

There is no DCL command to do this under VMS.  Instead, you must use the
security option in the customization pull down on the session manager.

Patrick L. Mahan

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: thurk@mct-1.UUCP (Dan Thurk)
Subject: XCopyArea for dashed lines
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:34:53 GMT



 Using X11R4, I draw a dashed line into a window and a pixmap.  The dashed line
appears correctly in the window.  When I use XCopyArea to copy the pixmap to
a window, the line is copied as a solid line.
Any explanations?  Thanks.

                                    Dan Thurk
                                    Micro Component Technology
                                    uunet!mct-1!thurk
                                    (612) 482-5356

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From: terry@nambe.santafe.edu (Terry Jones)
Subject: Xaw dialog widgets questions...
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:18:58 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute
Distribution: comp


I have a couple of questions about Athena dialog widgets.

I am trying to construct a few data entry forms. Each has a number of
dialog widgets in it, which correspond to the fields that must be
entered. Perhaps this is not the best way to go about doing this, I
don't know (I am open to suggestions). In any case:

1) The dialogs have widths that are all completely different. I have
   tried adjusting them via resources, but to no avail. Ideally I
   would like all the dialog widgets to be equally wide and for each 
   label and value subwidget to be equally wide. I hope this makes
   sense: I just want something that looks neat instead of the
   ragged-right appearance I currently have. 

   Something seems to be stopping me from getting what I want. I don't
   know if it is the containing form, the dialogs or the widgets they
   contain. Surely this must be a commonly addressed need...?


2) Currently, the data entry forms are tall and skinny. I would like to
   have them shorter and fatter. For this, it would be nice to have
   the dialog's value widget appear to the right of the label widget.
   I can't seem to make this happen though. I can get it to the right,
   but it always appears below the label. I have tried the obvious
   XtNfromVert from the dialog widget above. Is this a policy decision
   of the dialog widget that I can't change?


Currently I am toying with the idea of cutting out the middle person
and sacking the dialogs altogether. Then I can plop a bunch of labels
and text widgets down on the form (presumably) where I want them.

What is "normally" done by people wanting to create this sort of
environment?

Thanks a lot,
Terry Jones.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: chucks@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Chuck Strickland)
Subject: X11R5pl17, gcc 2.3.1 on sunos 4.1.2 compiler error
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:55:38 GMT

 yesterday I tried to compile using the news gcc 2.3.1 compiler.
 while compiling modules in the lib subdirectory for shared use a 
 number of modules generate an internal compiler error.

 this is caused by the fpic option when the address of function is assigned
 a location in a callback table.

 Has anyone successfully built X11 in this environment for a sun.
 I sent a bug report to gnu but havnet heard back yet.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: cschneid@mines.utah.EDU (Claudio Schneider)
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:00:53 GMT

Mr. (Mrs.),
I am a brazilian student. I am working at University of Utah during this
quarter. I would like to know how can I get a version of X for SCO UNIX.

Thanks,
		Gilberto Z. Fialho

P.S.: My e-mail is cschneid@mines.utah.edu
From: csb960dean@qut.edu.au (Michael Dean)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Widget TREE program
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:04:50 GMT
Organization: Queensland University of Technology



G'day

	Thanks to 1E+6 and 1 people who responded to my original post, about
a widget TREE program and the responses all said to use the editres program,
but unfortunatley editres is part of the R5 version of X and we have R4
at our site, so I was wondering is there a program similar to editres
available???

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