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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: How to convert .CLP (PCPAINT) files ?
Date: 29 Sep 92  13:25:25 EST

Hi Jacques, on 9 Sep 92  (about 6:45:36) yo wrote to All :

 JO> Is there any utility to convert PCPAINT or PICTOR .clp files
 JO> into .gif  (or some other workable format) ?

i think not. but pictor clips are in the following format 

 2 bytes width
 2 bytes hight
 and the rest is data without palette info with 8 bits per pixel.
 
i hope this will help you.


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: steve@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Stephen Peter)
Subject: Re: Need!! RayShade package!
Reply-To: steve@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:40:21 GMT

In article pnchu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw, pnchu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Po-Nian Chu (CS G804310)) writes:
>Hi, dear netter:
>  On which ftp site can i get the RayShade package? i need its
>source code for some practices, will i pay for it?

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Rayshade can be found at princeton.edu in the /pub/Graphics/rayshade.4.0 directory:

-rw-r--r--   369527 Feb 10  1992 rayshade.4.0.6.tar.Z
drwxr-xr-x      512 Feb 10  1992 patches
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 21 22:06 Pix
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 21 22:21 Mac
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 21 22:25 Amiga
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 22 01:35 etc
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 22 01:35 Contrib
-rw-rw-r--      840 Sep 22 01:37 README
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 22 01:48 Examples
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 22 01:58 DOS
drwxr-xr-x      512 Sep 22 01:59 OS2

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There was another version (with extra primitives) on weedeater.math.yale.edu
but recently that site has been "cleaned up".  This version can be found at:

cad0.arch.unsw.edu.au:/pub/rayshade/unix/ray406enh2.tar.Z

The DOS and other versions are also there  (and probably at other sites...).


hope this helps

Stephen.
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Neal Miller)
Subject: Re: 32k color gifs
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:11:20 GMT

odyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Hello, all.  If anybody out there has any 32K color gifs, could you please post
>it or email it to me?

	There are no such things as 32K color gifs.  The very definition of a
gif image restricts it to 256 colors.  There are other formats that support
more colors though...  Targa images (*.TGA) come to mind.  I know that my
raytracer, POVRAY, outputs in targa format by default.

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.graphics.visualization
From:  dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su (Vladimir J. Dmitriev)
Subject: Bush (scientific approach to telling fortunes) :).
Reply-To: dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su
Organization: University of St-Petersburg, 2-nd Physics Laboratory.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:22:16 GMT
Keywords: visualization

Our astrologists and foretellers believe that it is possible to foresee
the future from photos. Let us see if scientific approach can help us,
for example, we can try to learn the results of elections from the
second logarithmic derivative of Mr. Bush's photo :).
Something like Shredinger equation does:


          d                d
   -ih    -    F (x,y)= ( ----  ) F (x,y)        :).
                t                  t
          dt              dx dy



Nice image available on alt.binaries.pictures.
This image was built by means of the scientific graphics package
epiGRAF.
Format GIF87a 640x480x16.
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: belme@waterloo.hp.com (Frank Belme)
Subject: Specular sampling
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:27:02 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Hi,

I am in the process of writing a ray tracer.  I have Roy Hall's book
"Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery".
The method used in the book pertaining to color is spectral sampling of the
spectral curve of a given material.  The illumination calculations are applied
to the samples, then the samples are transformed to the RGB color space for
display.  I have a two part question:

1. Should I use this method (I don't know if it is a pain to get information
regarding spectral curves of materials)?

2. If so, where can I get info. on spectral curves for materials?

Thanks.

Frank Belme
Hewlett-Packard
Panacom Automation Div.
20 Lexington Rd.
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
belme@hppad.waterloo.hp.com

Xref: sparky comp.graphics:10218 sci.image.processing:833
From: chas@sierra.com (Charles Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,sci.image.processing
Subject: Image Skeletonizing/Thinning Algorithms
Date: 23 Sep 92 01:58:51 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

I seem to remember a note on "pbmskel" or something similar recently.
Was I dreaming?

Where can I find some information (pointers, code etc) about skeletonizing?

I would like to know about thinning 8-bit data too.
The only reference I have is Salari and Siy [IEEE 1984].

Also, is there any way to generalize to 3D?

I looked at the morphological operators from AEDC (Richard Peters),
but I'm not sure if they would help with skeletonizing tasks.

					Thanks,
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From: cooper@plains.NoDak.edu (Jeff Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Z-Phigs 3D graphics library for MS-Windows
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:56:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20961
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I apologize if this has been seen recently, our site has had a flaky
newsfeed and I'm not sure this got out...

I would like to hear any comments anyone has about a company called
WISE Software from Germany that produces a package called Z-Phigs.  It's 
an implementation of the ISO 9592 (PHIGS) graphics standard for
running under MS-Windows and I was wondering how good of an implementation
it is (how complete, fast, etc...)

If anyone has had any experiences good or bad with the package or
the company I'd really like to hear from you.  The reason I'm posting
is that the package costs $1259 from the Programmers Connection and
and theres no money back guarantee (which makes me a bit hesitant
to order it sight-unseen)

Thanks for any help!
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Xref: sparky comp.graphics:10109 alt.graphics.pixutils:2198
From: buex93c@rw9.urc.tue.nl (O.L. Craane)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils
Subject: Help/Info wanted op .tga format.
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.graphics
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

Hi,

I am searching for some information on a picture format  called TGA. I
don't know if it's a general format or just a local format that some
small programmer invented himself. 
Anyhow, has anyone heard of it and if so what do you know about it.

Thanks in andvance,
Oscar Craane

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: turnerrw@winvmd.vnet.ibm.com ()
Subject: HALO .CUT file format
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:52:14 GMT
Organization: none
Keywords: file format HALO
Followup-To: comp.graphics 

I need to decode some HALO graphics files in .CUT format. Can anybody give
me a pointer to a format descriptor, or perhaps to something that can read
these files already?

Rick

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From: cscsd02@abcom.ATT.COM (3402 )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Need a very versatile graph plotting program
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:44:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T(IMS-DPO), Aurora, Colorado



          			                9/28/92 
Hello, netters:

I'd like to find out if there is a DOS based graphics package that would 
allow me to virtually design my own graph. This graph would have the high, low, and close values of a stock for various weeks, along with many horizontal lines
indicating + or - % increases.

If you know of any such graphics package or of a good graphics programming 
language, please let me know via e-mail.                                    

					Thank You in Advance,

					A. Castelo
					cscsd02@abcom.att.com


PS. I'm already aware of Lotus 123, but it is too limited.
From: dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: siggraph '92 proceedi
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:30:12 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: ALMAC BBS Ltd

OJ>The MS Windows viewer program on the SIGGRAPH '92 Proceedings CD

Sorry for jumping in here, but I've always been interested in finding
out more about SIGGRAPH.  I assume one JOINS SIGGRAPH.  How does 
one join?  What are the fees?  I assume there is a monthly journal
or something.  What is there?  I'm especially intrigued by the CD
you mention.  Does it include graphics images etc?  Can non-members
obtain it?  How?  How much money?  

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: mtymp07@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: PoV on SGI X/Windows..
Summary: Help me compile this!
Keywords: PoV SGI
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: international
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:03:45 GMT

I have recently obtained access to an SGI workstation.  My question is whether
or not anyone has had success compiling PoV 1.0 on it.  I keep getting errors
in the xwindows.c code.  Suggestions?  Help?  Any of either would be 
appreciated.

Peter
From: oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: MAC vs. IBM
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:48:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: genes.1992Sep28.154815.15456
Organization: ICGEB

iancu@iil.intel.com (Igal Iancu) writes:



>Hi,

>Excuse me in advance if this is a FAQ: I have a friend working as a graphics
>artists, who is used to the Mac environment with FreeHand and PhotoShop.  

>I am trying to convince her to move to an X86 based machine, mostly because
>of the prices issue.  Can anybody support me (or her) on this move?  What 
>are the potential pitfalls when changing the environment?

>Thanks,

>Igal Iancu
>Intel Corporation
 ^^^^^
   Do you by any chance own Intel shares ?  :^)


>iancu@iil.intel.com 
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: zdxh0a@trc.amoco.com (Douglas Horn)
Subject: Re: X-rated GIFs
Originator: zdxh0a@gpss53
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:15:39 GMT


Move this talk to another news group. It does not belong 
in "comp.graphics".

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From: i001969@disc.dla.mil (Victor Vidal)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Imaging
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:01:19 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


  I am working on a research paper on imaging of documents on optical WORM
and MO media.  I would like to have research papers, articles, or other
related literature.

   Victor M. Vidal
   vvidal@discg1.dla.mil
   (215) 697-6374
   1123 Levick St.
   Philadelphia, PA 19111

   Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.mail.misc
From: haggas@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Response to: send image file to VAX
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:06:08 GMT

The reocord format problem associated with mskermit AT clone -> VAX 
was solved by using on the vax: C-Kermit 4E(072) 24-Jan-89.

Thanks to Sascha of sascha@gonzo.informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de for your 
help. I couldn't get back to you by E-mail. Two attempts failed.

To all other respondents: I tried to get back to you directly. Thanks.

John Haggas
haggas@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: prato@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: C Routines to Convert PCX to TIFF
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:17:41 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology


Would anybody know where I may obtain a copy of Borland C 
routines that would convert PCX file to TIFF.

If anybody has experience/knowledge in this area,
please let me know.

Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

James Prato,
Computer Systems Officer,
MIS Section,
Queelnsland University of Technology,
Brisbane. Qld
Australia.
email:J.PRATO@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: Peter.Gorny@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Peter Gorny)
Subject: Mac-Software for cutting plotter needed..
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:48:20 GMT

We want to use a Mac plus a cutting plotter to cut the outlines of
shapes (letters, symbols etc.) into adhesive films.
Question 1:   Is there software for that?
              (Necessary condition enlargement of letters up to 20 inches)
Question 2:   Which experiences have you made with cutting plotters... 
              for similar purposes ? 
Thank you
          Peter Gorny


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: ranga@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Ranga Narayanaswami)
Subject: Rubber-banding lines in X11
Reply-To: ranga@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Ranga Narayanaswami)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:00:17 GMT


I want to develop some simple software using X11 for drawing 2D objects
which would allow drawing lines, arcs, bezier curves and B-splines.
My question is, how can I use the mouse to set the coordinates in a 
function like XDrawLine(display,window,gc,x1,y1,x2,y2). i.e how can I set 
the coordinates (x1,y1), and (x2,y1) using the mouse?  Also how do I do 
rubber-banding when, say I move a control point in a bezier curve or when 
a segment of a B-spline curve is altered.

I am using a DECstation 5000/125 if that would make a difference.

Please send me suggestions by email.

Thanks a bunch for your help.

ranga

Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject: what do you know about IDS model ?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 23:11:55 GMT

I need some info on the IDS model suggested by Cornsweet & Yellot.
And I want to start with a comprehensive bibliography on IDS.

Any email containing any pointers like any work done related to IDS,
specially any publications, etc will be appreciated.

I would also like to correspond with anyone currently working on it.


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: vjamett@dcc.uchile.cl (Viterbo Jamett)
Subject: Pixmap editor
Originator: vjamett@huemul
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 20:09:24 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

I need a pixmap editor for creating icons for one interface I'm developing.

I've looked for this,  using archie. But I found a pixmap editor for Motif and
Athena.

I need one running under X-Window. So, someone can tell me where I must look
for and what I must get by ftp???

	Thanks, Viterbo.
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: ckirsch@eng.clemson.edu (Chuck Kirschman)
Subject: Smallest Box (shadow casting?)
Reply-To: ckirsch@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:11:10 GMT

I am interested in putting an arbitrary 3D object into the smalles box that will
contain it.  This seems like something that should have been done before, so I
hope that someone can send me some pointers.

The problem is that I have an arbitrary 3D object represented as a set of triangles.
It may be in any orientation.  However, I may assume that the z-orientation is
correct, so I really want to find the smallest aspect ratio in the x-y plane so
I can rotate it about the z-axis to fit it as close as possible to the next part.

One plan I had envisioned was to "cast a shadow" from a light source at z=infinity
to get the 2D outline in the x-y plane.  Then I could rotate this fairly easily to
find the narrowest bounding box.  However, I'm not sure how to create this shadow
accurately and cheaply.  

Any ideas?  Is this the best way to do what I want, or are there much better 
techniques?

Thanks in advance
chuck

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Xref: sparky comp.graphics:10270 comp.graphics.animation:446 comp.org.acm:834
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.org.acm
Subject: _Advanced_Animation_and_Rendering_Techniques_
Summary: Request information on new book by Alan Watt & Mark Watt
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:31:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.graphics
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.


    In the latest ACM Membernet newsletter the above book is announced by
the ACM Press.  Here's the accompanying blurb:

        Advanced Animation and Rendering Techniques by Alan Watt of the
        University of Sheffield, England, and Mark Watt of TDI, Paris, is
        the latest release from ACM Press Books.  Designed for graphic
        systems programmers and graphics applications programmers, this new
        book presents state-of-the-art techniques that push the limits of
        animation and rendering.  World-class, four-color images, produced
        by the authors using techniques described in the book, are
        complemented by practical algorithms and case studies based on
        actual work produced for television with code examples in C.  The
        volume is ideal for graduate courses in computer graphics, animation
        and image synthesis, as well as for use by companies that develop
        computer animation.  Prices are $39.95 for members; $44.25 for
        non-members; Order No. 706901.  For information on this and other
        ACM Press publications, call toll-free 1-800-342-6626; in Alaska,
        Maryland and outside the U.S., 1-301-528-4261.

    Except for the fact that I get a nasty case of hives when I see the
insipid phrases "state-of-the-art" and "world-class", this book sounds quite
interesting; has anybody had a chance to see it yet?  What are your
impressions?

    Follow-ups redirected to comp.graphics.

______________________________________________________________________________
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hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California
From: v053qpcj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK T. ZABALDO)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Help is needed
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:50:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



    I'm trying to view different weather maps located at various FTP sites.  I
can locate and get them, but I cannot decode or view them.  I have been able
to view GIFs extracted from various newsgroups, but I can't seem to view the
ones taken from FTP sites.
    Would someone be so kind as to help me out?  Thanks.
    E-mail preferred, but you can post it if you wish.

MTZ
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm)
Subject: Re: MAC vs. IBM
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date:  2 Oct 92 10:50:14 GMT

bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:

>The mac hardware has gotten much more cheaper recently.  However, you
>can still get twice as much PC for the same money:

Just some small corrections and notes:

>		Mac Performa 600	Gateway 486DX2/66
>Price		$2000			$2995	

I saw the price $1500 quoted for this system. That's not really "the
same money". At $2000, a lot of the figures and "not"'s below should
change to the better.

>CPU		32MHz '030		66MHz 486
>Memory		4MB			8MB
>Disk		120MB			340MB
>Video		640x480x8bit		1024x768x16bit &
>					800x600x24bit (local bus accel.)

The P600 gives 16 bits, at least in the CD config.

>Monitor		not included		15" flat screen (can subst. 17")

I think the P600 can take VGA monitors (like the Mac LC), and the new
Apple monitors are getting cheaper.

>Keyboard	not included		included
>Mouse		included?		included
>Software	Mac SYS7		Win 3.1 and choice of MS application

Mouse definitely included, and sound input/output, and SCSI, and a "works"
application, or perhaps a choice between some. Built-in CD optionally
included.

All the same, please do flame Apple for high prices... I want them to
lower prices some more! :-) (The PC market is good news for Mac enthusiasts;
it forces Apple to sell us Macs for lower cost than before.)

One more thing: This doesn't belong in comp.graphics. Sorry for making
the thread longer here. Can we move it to comp.sys.*.advocacy?

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:31:25 EDT
From: <GNR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: MPEG VIEWER NEEDED FOR DOS.

        That about says it all.  I already tried MPEGXING, and it crashed.
Let me know of anything else that's out there.
          thanks,
             Gordon Rogers
             gnr100@psuvm.psu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.graphics:10236 comp.compression:3456
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.compression
Subject: Re: raw RGB bytes from GIF file ??
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:43:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1alg7kINN3l0@uwm.edu> govind@point.cs.uwm.edu (Govind Seshadri) writes:
>
>Is there some source out there that will generate raw RGB bytes 
>from an input GIF source file ?
>I would be happy to receive any suggestions/pointers towards this.
>
>Thanks much in advance.

Well Piclab will convert a .gif to an array + colour map.

Davei