From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mecha
Subject: Re: MacII vs Daishi
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:47:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <C18sE2.Lr9@newsflash.concordia.ca> kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) writes:
]Gene here.  Steph bitched at me for not helping him out on the Robotech
]stuff that's been going through lately (I'm a Robotech player... ack!
]Gasp!).  Ok, I've got to agree with Steve here on this one
]
]Don't mix and mech!  It's just plain irritating and it wastes everyone's
]time.  I've been looking over the suggestions for converting a Mac II
]into BTech terms and chuckling my head off.  I spent a long while a few
]years ago (when I first played BTech) trying to convert Robotech mech's
]into BTech.  After a lot of headaches I figured out that it's utterly
]pointless.  The styles of the games and the tech of the games don't
]match and never will.  Honestly, the Mac II's guns are closer to
]NAC/10's than Long Toms IMHO but who really cares.  If you want
]Robotech, use Robotech.

Well, some people just can't stay with 'Mechs under 150 tons. :)
 
]Ok, some of you have been arguing that Mekton with MTS allows you to
]design ANY mecha.  Wrong.  Take a look at Mekton's scale and it's weapon
]ranges.  Only missiles have a decent range and even they cap off at 25
]km (the 500 hex ranged missiles that get HUGE!).  I was rather
]dissapointed that Mekton has the same problem as Btech:  weapons ranges
]are a joke.

True, but at least RTG openly admits it in the Mekton II rules. It mentions
that if you want the *real* ranges for their weapons they would provide the
figures if you provided the football field to play the game in. 

You could always blame it all on Minovski particles. :)

]The only consolation I could find was that the Mekton
]damages are closer to real life (well, or to anime-life at least).  Go
]ahead and TRY to reproduce the Raider X in Mekton TS rules.  Can't be
]done.  The Rifleman was FASAs attempt to clone it and everyone I know
]thinks the Rifleman is a useless mech for AA duty.

Even with enhanced sensors, linked +2 accuracy beam weapons and some other
collection of goodies in the MTS?
 
]My advice is pick a game and play it.  Stop trying to convert them all
]to each other's systems.  Each game has a different feel and style of
]play.  Just enjoy playing the game.  That is the essential reason you're
]playing them, right?

Right, but it still is fun to try and get something *like* what you saw in
another game. Even if you do get a headache later.

(I'm trying to figure out how to build the SDF-1 and various O'Neills using 
 MTS.... for the heck of it.)
 
]If anyone is wondering why I'm rather vehement about the topic of
]conversion, it's cause I was told that any mech could be designed using
]MTS.  I said, ok, lets just clone a Warhammer from BTech... what a
]headache!  I did it but who's going to use it anyways.  It's really
]rather pathetic compared to most Mekton mecha. (or should I say meks :)

What were the stats like?

])
]
]
]Gene Marcil
]
]Psychology Student, Gamer, and Toxic Insect Shaman.
]What more could you ask for in a housepet?
]
]Mecha. n.  Those annoying indigestible thingies that stole our acting
]jobs.
]	(from a dictionary found in Godzilla's town library)
]

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