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From: asper@time.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: Automatic for the People
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:37:17 GMT

>In article <BvoLEA.FDI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>>Ok, what's the verdict on Automatic For the People (REM)?  I heard it was
>>a lot morte acoustic and more like the old REM.
>>

I'm not that crazy about Automatic for the People. It's cool that they are 
moving in new directions, but from the hype I had expected something more
atmospheric, like "Fables." Call me reactionary, but of the ten R.E.M. 
albums/EPs I have, "Murmur" is the only one I listen to a lot.
Just my two cents...
Alan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Darling Buds
From: slam@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:28:52 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

> Anyone with a comment on the new Darling Buds stuff?  Their first disc I
> found to be quite powerful musically.  Of course, lyrically it was
> completelly erotic, which defninitely is much more effective than Mandonna
> ever was.  I can't wait to see her live.
> 
The album is pretty poppy, especially the last cut, "If," a blatant love song. 
Compared to Crawdaddy, it's has a bit more distorted guitar, sort of like "It
Makes No Difference" on a whole album.  They will probably find ome amount of
success commercially with this here offering, just a guess.
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From: sauer@bluemoon.rn.com (John Tipshus)
Subject: Thinking about Sonic Youth
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:39:18 EDT

Is the show worth it?  I have a chance to see them in Columbus, Ohio on 
October.

     John\

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From: Bo Orloff <bo@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: 09 Oct 92 19:10 PDT
Subject: TMBG ROCKTOBERFEST- 8 Nights in NY
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1626800033:000:1200
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bo    Oct  9 19:10:00 1992


 **********************************************************
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 *                                                        *
 *                 EIGHT NIGHTS OFF-BROADWAY              *
 *   at the Variety Arts Theater / 110 Third Ave / NYC    *
 *                                                        *
 *        8 Fabulous Shows!   8 Great Opening Acts!       *
 *                                                        *
 *   10/14 SYD STRAW 10/15 DAVID THOMAS 10/16 BOSS HOG    *
 *       10/17 BRIAN DEWAN 10/18 EUGENE CHADBOURNE        *
 *  10/20 THE A-BONES 10/21 ROBIN HOLCOMB 10/22 DRINK ME  *
 *                                                        *
 *         All tix $22 per show. All Ages Admitted.       *
 *        Limited Seating. Advance Purchase Suggested.    *
 * To charge tix by phone call Telecharge at 212-239-6200 *
 *    Due to Popular Demand Late Shows Have Been Added    *
 *                on Fri & Sat 10/16 & 17!                *
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From: rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Subject: Sidewinder Sleeps...
Reply-To: rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:50:13 GMT

I was reading through the notes of AFTP and found something that I wasn't
quite sure of.  They thank someone, I forget who, for the words and lyrics
to "The Lion Sleeps Tonight."  Obviously, this has to be in regards to
"Sidewinder Sleeps..,"  but I have not been able to find the similarity for
why they would have to thank someone.  Also, I have heard "The Lion Sleeps.."
a couple of times, so I know the basic tune, but I am not sure of who sings
it.  I think that They Might Be Giants might do a cover of it, but, again, I
am not sure.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.
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From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie ))
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Joy Div trivia
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:54:03 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

(J Klein) writes:
>another ironic twist on the utter desolation and depression of their songs.
>		With the name "New Order," there unquestionably seems to be a pattern
>emerging, and the group has been accused of neo-nazism more than once for
>this "coincidence."  However, the members have vehemently denied any truth
>to this rumour and there is little evidence in their music, lyrics, or
>personal statements/lifestyle to corroborate any such claims.

What about the swastika in Blue Monday 88 Video ?

DELBERT
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. countdown theory
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:34:28 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders) writes:

> 
> Am I the only one who thought that Document was labeled number 5
> because it's R.E.M. fifth full-length original release (i.e., not
> including _Chronic Town_ or _Dead Letter Office_)?
> 
> The 4 on _Green_ I took as just an inside joke I'll never understand
> and left it as that.
> 
> _Out of TIme_ has three words?  Now you're pushing it.
> 
> No...  Wait...  I was wrong!  I found the number 2 on _AFTP_!  Really! 
> Grab your copy!  
> 
> On this album - this is only on cassette and vinyl copies, mind you -
> the album is presented to the consumer in TWO SIDES.
> 
> One more album to go...
> 
>  - nathan

  Well, if you want to concoct weird theories, try looking at those "File 
Under..." notes that appeared on their album covers at least up to 
"Document."  And if you can construe from these that the band is breaking 
up, or that Michael Stipe is dead and Bono's taken his place, I'll cheer 
you on.  (Incidentally, if anyone wants to hear my two cents: Document is 
great, Green is lousy apart from "Stand" and most of the acoustic songs, 
Out Of Time is their best album ever, and AFTP is very nearly as good.)

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: REM - sidewinder
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:00:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


>In article <1992Oct6.123246.7272@abekrd.co.uk>, steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister) writes:
>>Does anyone have the lyrics for Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite from REM's new album?

this is hte place where i will stay in
there isn't a number, you can call the pay phone
le tit ring a long long long long time
if i don't pick up, hang up, call back, let it ring some more
If i don't pick up, pick up, the sidewinder sleeps, sleeps, sleeps in a car

call (me?) when you try to wake her up, call (me) when you try to wake her

there are scratches all around the coin slot
like a heart beat baby trying to wake up
but this machine can only swallow money
you just can't lay a patch by computer design
just a lot of stupid, stupid designs, tell her
tell her she can kiss my ass and laugh and say that you were only kidding
that way she'll know that it was really^4 me me

Call ...

baby it's the soup; it doesn't really grab me
today i need something more sub stop, sub sub substantial
a can of beans or black eyes peas, some nescafe and ice
candy bar, a fallen star, or a reading from Doctor Suess.

call...

the cat in the hat came back, wrecked a lot of havoc on the way
always had a smile, never reason to content
their world is flat back ground, too little need to sleep but to dream
the sidewinder sleeps on his back


call...
i can always sleep standing up, call...
you got a boogie woogie hook on this one

help?  concur?  sounds good though...

but check out these weird lyrics

(Star me Kitten)

{...}
can i throw in the wind the gasoline
just fuck me kitten
you are wild and i am your possession
nothing's free, so fuck me kitten...


hmmm...gone a long way since "psychics, fuck off"

kcw


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From: mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Michael Stipe
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:20:46 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <kbennett.718929307@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky) writes:
>
>>I wonder what Michael Stipe would say regarding the commotion on the REM
>>gossip train?
>
>I think by now he's probably given up on even giving a flying fuck.
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	That must be a very acrobatic one...I just can't figure how
	to coordinate my wings with the rest of the movements. :-(

>Sheesh.
>
>Lena

	Nuno
Organization: Sophomore, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 08:34:51 -0400 
From: Jason Matthew Harman <jh76+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dave Kendall
 <1akkm1INNfb5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu><1992Oct3.200722.10211@u.washington.edu> <BvrLGw.Lxw@apollo.hp.com>
	<92282.093422JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu>

Martha Quinn came here to campus last year. During the question and
answer session, a girl got up in complained very loudly, "Why don't you
get rid of Dave Kendall?" Almost everyone jumped up and clapped.

                                                        Sincerely yours,

                                                                    J
From: Robert.M.McLennan@dartmouth.edu (Robert M. McLennan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Important R.E.M. questions!
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:46:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

These questions came to mind as I was reading the discussion about the
Made in Heaven soundtrack and the song "Romance" on eponymous.  My
questions are: 

1)  What other songs has R.E.M. written and/or performed for movies or
special albums, etc.?  (The examples I can think of are "Romance" from
MIH and "Fretless" on the Until the End of the World soundtrack.

2)  What other work have Berry, Buck, Mills or Stipe done?  (e.g. 
Stipe with the Golden Palominos).

3)  Speaking of which, did the Golden Palominos release an album or
other songs besides "Boy"?  Where can one find such an album or song? 
And who else is in the GPs?

4)  Any other work done by R.E.M., such as before they changed their
name to R.E.M.?  And what were they called before?

Thank you in advance for any and all answers.

Rob


Robert M. McLennan.  If only my middle name were Earl.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 15:28:35 CDT
From: <U46837@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: japanese noise

Speaking of Japanese noise, I just saw "CCCC" (from Yokahama, Japan I think)
at Lower Links in Chicago.  Extremely loud and shocking, given the noise and
the atmosphere, I thought I was transported to an experimental show of the
early, holocaust-is-around-the-corner 80's.

Watch for them in your area.

Recommended, but not for the easily offended.

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From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Subject: Chills to disband (again?)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:09:25 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hmmm...is this a joke or what ?

From the NZ national paper.

De Fish!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

                  CHILLS GRINDING TO STOP - AGAIN

   Within a fortnight the Chills will be no more, reports Dean
 Goodman from Athens, Georgia, where the band are playing.
   Martin Phillipps has decided to disband the group - the 14th
 lineup of his 12-year-old conception - and, after time in Los
 Angeles finishing some business, will return to New Zealand.
   The proposed European tour after the American dates has been
 cancelled and Phillipps has indicated that Warner Music has
 stopped working the Chills and Slash Records "probably won't go
 any further [with us]".
   Performances on the American tour have been erratic,
 apparently, and sales of the Soft Bomb album more modest than
 expected.
   "I didn't want to go to Europe with a band that was substandard
 because I've got such a good live reputation there and I don't
 want to jeopardise that," says Phillipps.
   "I don't intend touring again until it's necessary, like, if
 I've got a record out in the future. Then I would go.
   "I don't intend working with this line-up again if I do put a
 band together. From my point of view, it's basically the end of
 the Chills as a concept. It's been tried and we've failed,
 basically. From the industry's point of view, we've been
 definitely tried and tested but been found wanting."

 NZ Herald Friday October 9, 1992
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From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: Ed Kuepper
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:26:02 GMT

  stephane.gelinas@synapse.org (Stephane Gelinas)  writes:
>BM>SLSQ                    album           The Aints
>Huh???  Is this the Aints or the Saints?    I've never heard of an album
>called SLSQ.  Could you elaborate?  I'm a major Saints / Chris Bailey /
>Ed Kuepper fan.   Waitaminute....  I think I saw the vinyl for $25 (argh!).
>Is this a live album, where Ed Kuepper covers old Saints songs?
>
>BM>?Autocannibalism?       album           The Saints
>
>I don't think that the Saints have such an album.  If they have, my life
>won't be completed until I get it!

No, no. The Saints are not the Aints.
Ed Kuepper was in the early Saints.
He is also the leader of the Aints, a 1991 and onwards creation.
You must get "Ascension" by the Aints. It is light years ahead of
anything the Saints ever did and far better than any of Ed Kuepper's
solo albums.
AutoCannibalism keeps the layered choral guitar sound of Ascension,
but, to me, lacks the intricacy of Ascension. I still enjoy turning it
up indecently loud and trying to introduce the Zurich neighbours to
the finer points of Australian culture.

[... Ed Kuepper in the Saints stuff deleted ...]

>In the Laughing Clowns:
>
>        History of the world, part I  (compilation of their albums)

The Laughing Clowns were undoubtably one of the best ever Sydney
bands. Makes me homesick.
On vinyl, you should look for
"Thrown of blood/Reign of terror"
and 
"Everything that flies"
There are persistant rumours that hot records will rerelese their back
catalogue of Laughing Clowns stuff. Unfortunately, there is no
evidence that this is anything other than wishful thinking.
Perhaps I will get inspired enough to write a letter from this, the
cultural armpit of the world, pleading with them.

If you are seriously into this genre, you should try to make friends
with an Australian who owns a copy of the few bits of vinyl put out by
"Wildlife Documentaries" - yet another Saints offshoot led by the
drummer (Ivor Hay) from an early incarnation of the Saints.
-Andrew
-- 

Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
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Subject: Kristin Hersh's Live CD
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:50:59 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I'm going to post this just because someone asked before and, well... I just
believe in it! ;)

KRISTIN HERSH
Live at Maxwell's, Hoboken
[This Compact Disc is available only with initial pressings of, "Throwing
Muses: Red Heaven", not for sale.]
1992 4AD UK
KH 1 CD [comes with CAD D 2013 CD]

1-Juno [HT]
2-Marriage Tree [HT]
3-Pearl [RH]
4-Stand Up [TM]/Dovey [RH]/Mexican Woman [HT]
5-Run Letter [HT]
6-Soap & Water [FS]
7-Rabbit's Dying [TM]
8-Cry Baby Cry [CC]
9-Counting Backwards [RR]/ Handsome Woman [F2]
10-Take [HP]
11-Soul Soldier [TM]
12-Bea [HP]
13-Delicate Cutters [TM]

The two-letter code adjacent to each song indicates which record they come off
of, thus:

Throwing Muses-[TM]
Chains Changed EP-[CC]
Fat Skier EP-[FS]
House Tornado-[HT]
Hunkpapa-[HP]
Real Ramona-[RR]
Firepile EP Pt. 2 (Remix)-[F2]
Red Heaven-[RH]

--Kreig
raVinglunatick
kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu

"If you say I'm not pretty I understand/Just don't think you won't die by a
woman's hand"--Throwing Muses, "Take"

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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- maybe a rumor, but what if...?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.010613.29032@u.washington.edu> dube@carson.u.washington.ed
u (Ric Dube) writes:
>
>I hate to do this, especially since the recent Pearl Jam break-up hoax,
>but I heard today from a technician at the studio where REM mixed the new
>album that they will be breaking up.
>   they plan to break up just before its release.
>
  When Green came out, a friend of mine theorized that they would have only 
three more albums.  This was his reasoning:
    - "Document" is subtitled "#5"
    - "Green" has a number 4 imprinted in the cover lettering
    - Continuing on this theme, "Out of Time" is three words
What we have here, IMHO, is a count down.  I have been scouring my copy of AFTP
trying to find anything with a two in it and have not yet succeeded.  Ric
Dube's news would, though, unfortunately confirm this theory.
Always in search of a conspiracy
-kristoff
From: dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: REM biography
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:56:19 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

I suppose that every one knows that there is a biography about R.E.M.
That talks about their humblest begginings to GREEN.


--
David P. Potosky
Computer Science Dept.        "I always wanted to snatch at the world with
New Mexico State University       twenty hands." Franz Kafka, The Trial
dpotosky@NMSU.edu
From: dhalgren@milton.u.washington.edu (Dhalgren)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Nirvana/Mudhoney at small club
Summary: ...at the Crocodile Cafe, 10/4/92
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:24:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Nirvana opened for Mudhoney at the tiny Crocodile Cafe here in Seattle last
Sunday.  Tom Phalen of the Seattle Times says of the unannounced show:

"There was a 2 1/2 page guest list. Anyone who accidentally--or fortunately
--showed up who wasn't on the list had to pay a $3 cover. Once the place was
full, the doors were sealed.

"I have never heard Nirvana better. Cobain's singing and playing--lead and
rhythm--were first-rate. Chris Novaselic's bass was melodic and rock-solid,
and Dave Grohl is easily one of the strongest, most imaginative drummers in
town. And elsewhere. From the first song, 'Aneurysm,' they were in complete
control. No hit singles were played during the hour-plus set, despite reqeusts.
Some of the songs were from 'Bleach,' some were new. If these were any indi-
cation, the next Nirvana album will kill.

"The crowd, almost reverent during Nirvana, broke loose during Mudhoney's set.
The band, now in Europe, was easily as dynamic as Nirvana and possibly more
manic. The new material from 'Piece of Cake' roared, and favorites increased
the pitch. Mark Arm was riveting. Stage-diving ensued, and there was much
moshing. Cobain, who had spent a good part of Mudhoney's set playing pinball
near the bar, raced back, grabbed a guitar and joined in. At one point he
dived into the audience while playing, then did another song on his back.

"Then there was the bald guy with a moustache and wearing a purple mini-dress
who demanded to be tied to one of the pillars during Mudhoney's set. He'd 
gotten in by saying he was looking for a bachelor party. Nirvana's road
manager, Alex, obliged the gentleman and he remained tied--and very excited
--until almost all had left and the chairs were being stacked. All the door-
men posed for a picture with him. Then he untied himself and left.

"Courtney Love also was on hand for the festivities. She mostly kept to 
herself or hung with a few friends. By the by, she is not the big-boned 
Amazon that Lynn Hirshberg described in that Vanity Fair article. Makes you
wonder what else got exaggerated."

Seattle Times, 10/9/92
From: kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- #2 (ha!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:22:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <kbennett.718646936@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct8.195402.16834@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>>ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) wrote:


>>Well it was strange. Document #5 was tolerable. But the 4 in gloss over the
>>R in Green and R.E.M. was too much. Out of Time as three words is sort of
>>iffy. And here'e my even iffier #2 in Automatic for the People.

>>If you pull out the CD liner notes/photos and look at the side with all
>>photos, you'll notice a pattern. Each member is on the side a total number
>>of 2 times!

>Well, I think the conspiracy theory is very silly but in the interst of
>silliness I will add to the fire (god, I'm so embarrased) --
>in the part of "Ignoreland" where he's naming the election years,
>something like "1980, 1988, 1992" then he repeats "2! 2! 2!" a few times
>quite emphaticlly.

Oh, Lena, I'm so disappointed in you.  How could you succumb to
such bilboard sophistry???

I think the way the song is laid out though is that he sings
"1980, 1988, 1992 TOO TOO".  It seems to fit the position he holds
against the Republican party running in 1980, 1988 and 1992 TOO, as in
once again...

>Is that good enough for you?
>:)

I think someone with your insight might conclude something more
concrete than this...
:^)

>Lena

kcw

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From: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE...
Reply-To: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:51:10 GMT

IN RESPONSE TO THE VERDICT ON AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE: YES IT IS MORE
ACOUSTIC. I LIKE THE OLD REM ANYWAY SO IM HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY HAVE
DONE.      IF ANYONE HAS  COMMENTS PLEASE REPLY...

                                STEVE