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From: peter.churchill@rose.com (peter churchill)
Subject: "Kosher"
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:18:07 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-23-92 16:10


gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) snipes back at
| In article <1992Aug23.001620.6708@Princeton.EDU> 
| roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
| >
| >"The important issue" is not how we determine the usage of this word or
| >that.  (Besides, the important issue at the checkout is how much stuff
| >you have...)
| 
| BZZZT!  Wrong.  

> lot's of cross fire left out (Canucks are supposed to peace-keepers 
> -- not peace makers, eh.< 

| Well, the fact is that we *do* characterize certain behaviors as 
| good and bad.  Educated people know that it isn't exactly kosher to 
| chop the heads off passersby, just as educated people make judgments 
| about what is and is not proper English.  The argument of "It's been 
| done by the best for a long time, and it's part of the culture, so 
| it's ludicrous to eliminate" doesn't exactly cut it.

Especially not kosher if those passersby are slang cops. They gotta be 
cows, man! Even the devil, I suppose, so long as he has a cud of Mail 
Pouch in his cheek.

I also note, in passing, this thread falls far below the standards of 
cogent argument and lacks the heart of repartee: brevity.

Regards: *PC* 

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From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Re: No smegma please, we're American
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <Bu0JLK.4u0@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>husted@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jack) wrote:
>> bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes...
>>> ... what in the hell does "smegma" mean?
>> Actually, this is not an unintelligent question asked by someone too lazy
>> to look it up in his own dictionary.  'Smegma' can be found in some
>> dictionaries (e.g. Random House Collegiate) and not in others (e.g.
>> Webster's Collegiate).

smeg.ma \'smEg-m@\ n [NL, fr. L, detergent soap, fr. GK. {\it smegma},
fr.  {\it smechein} to wash off, clean -- more at SMITE]: the
secretion of a sebaceous gland; {\it specif} the cheesy sebaceous
matter that collects betweens the glans penis and the foreskin or
around the clitoris and labia minora

     Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam Company,
     1981, p. 1088

>Peeve time.  I've noticed a remarkable correlation among net posters
>between making pig-ignorant statements about English usage and citing
>the Webster's Collegiate as a source... for a start, it seems to be
>unique among dictionaries in its market niche in *only* citing usages
>from one side of the Atlantic.  This is not a problem with the grown-up
>Webster or with smaller British dictionaries.  So why do American college
>students go on using this pile of... what's the word...?

Let's see:

bonnet ... 2 b Brit : an automobile hood
pavement ... 1 b chiefly Brit : SIDEWALK
1 fag n 1 chiefly Brit : TOIL, DRUDGERY  2 a: an English public-school
     boy who acts as servant to an older schoolmate.
public school n 1: an endowed secondary boarding school in Great
     Britain offering a classical curriculum and preparation for the
     universities or public service.

Doesn't look *too* bad, especially for a dictionary aimed at American
college students.  How much space do student dictionaries on the other
side of the Atlantic devote to American usage?

Personally I've found it just right for high school, college, work,
and home needs.  I use a Webster's Third or an OED when I need more.

Evan Kirshenbaum
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    Palo Alto, CA  94304

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From: bloch@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Laurent Bloch)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: A Neologism
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:53:43 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:53:59 MET DST

To: alt.usage.english@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: A Neologism


sabbott@nmsu.edu (SDA) writes:

>Literatify - to create an adjective from a literary character or
>object.

>Here are literafisms I have collected, can anyone think of others?

>pollyanna
>quixotic
>lilliputian
>pecksniffian
>panglossian
>herculean
>narcissism
>pandoras box
>hermetic
>faustian
>--
	My friend Mae Sander transmitted to me the following ones :

From: Len.Sander@um.cc.umich.edu
To: bloch@pasteur.fr

J'accept le defi. Voila:
martial, jovial, mercurial, vulcanized/volcano, yahoos (2 pour Swift),
babbitry, Falstaffian, appolonian, dionysian, oedipal, venereal,
priapic, boreal, pickwickian, serendipitous, arthurian, gargantuan,
mosaic, solomonic, Circean, Lethean.
Et la langue francaise? ... Mae

P.S. :


Important English Word: EPONYMOUS
Meaning: coming from the name of a charater or person
If shylock and polyanna, why not medusa, scrooge, Little Lord Fauntleroy,
Hamlet, Robinson Crusoe, Don Juan, Lolita, Lady Macbeth, and King Midas?
...Mae


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From: greg.grainger@rose.com (greg grainger)
Subject: Re: English
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:25:31 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-29-92 10:16
On Aug 27, 'murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu' wrote:

MU>I've often wondered about the name Australians have for the English:
MU>Pommies. It usually modifys another noun, but that's another story.
MU>Does anyone know the etymology?

The explanation I was given when I was there, was that it is a
corruption/contraction of 'pomegranate'; the English being known to carry
large amounts of citrus and other fruits aboard their ships to prevent
scurvy. In this sense, 'Pommy' is a variation on 'Limey'.


                                                Cheers,
                                                Greg.


Greg Grainger
Toronto, Ontario.
9:52:44 am, Sat 08-29-1992.
greg.grainger@rose.com

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From: fish@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Fisher)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:00:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Programs (was: Ships and countries)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english

smk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stefan Kahrs) writes:
fish@hpscit.sc.hp.com (John Fisher) writes:

>   I recall a discussion in a class in college, lo these many years ago, on
>   this subject.  We were told that all peoples in the world, save one,
>   refer to their countries as either mother or father (i.e. Mother Russia,
>   the Fatherland - Germany).  The one exception... the U.S.A.  Our only
>   [...]
>
>>This is a myth.
>>
>>      <<detailed, plausible explanation deleted>>
>>
>>I am quite sure, I heard/read "fatherland" more often in English
>>than "Vaterland" in German.
>>--
>>Stefan Kahrs
>>----------

Thanks, Stefan.  This was not the only piece of misinformation dispensed
by that institution.:-)


John Fisher at Hewlett-Packard |
in Santa Clara, CA             |  This is as bad as it can get,
fish@sc.hp.com                 |  but don't bet on it.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: A Neologism
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:02:57 GMT

In <1992Sep2.134834.9755@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> lange@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Alex Lange) writes:

>roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep1.233118.15985@nmsu.edu> sabbott@nmsu.edu (SDA) writes:
>: 
>: >Literatify - to create an adjective from a literary character or
>: >object.
>: 
>: >Here are literafisms I have collected, can anyone think of others?
>: 
>: >pollyanna
>: >quixotic
>: >lilliputian
>: >pecksniffian
>: >panglossian
>: >herculean
>: >narcissism
>: >pandoras box
>: >hermetic
>: >faustian
>: 
>: Not that all of these are adjectives, but anyway,...
>: 
>: shylock.
>: Heepish.
>: jovial.
>: mercurial.
>: dionysian, apollinian/apollonian.
>: oedipal.
>: furious.
>: harping.
>: panic.
>: Brobdignagian.
>: sibylline.
>: musical/mosaic (from Mousa = muse)

>mosaic is from Moses, as in "mosaic law."

>: solomonic.
>: orphic.  
>: 
>: Roger
>: 

>And 11 more...

>Arthurian
>Gargantuan
>Gorgonian
>Mephistophelean
>Pantagruelian
>martial
>medusan
>procrustean
>satanic
>tantalizing
>vulcanized

Sisyphean(sp?)
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From: awe@ki.icl.se (Anders Weister)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: What does this mean?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:01:11 GMT
Organization: ICL Data AB, Sweden

diamong@gov.on.ca (Gerald Diamond) writes:

>I saw an ad in the subway (Toronto) yesterday that said

>"All flavours not available in all provinces"

>I assume the company meant 

>"Some flavours may not be be available in certain provinces"

>but I think it might be interpreted as 

>"No flavours available anywhere!"
>Am I way off on this?

Yes. It should not be possible to interpret
it as you suggest. They have only one negation, you have two.

But it could mean:
"No province has all flavours"
depending on if you think the NOT refers to (available):
"All flavours [NOT (available)] in all privinces"
or NOT refers to (available in all provinces):
"All flavours [NOT (available in all provinces)]"

Therefor your assumption of what the company ment is better
or
"All provinces do not have all flavours"
or
"Not all provinces have all flavours"

/Anders

PS:
Ain't nobody doing nothing to noone.
Did he?

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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: did vs. done
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:24:51 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <1992Sep2.222056.7024@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> evan@hpl.hp.com
(Evan Kirshenbaum) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.135609.22864@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
>wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug22.083524.3482@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>>roddi@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Roddi Walker) writes:
>>>
>>>Consider the following:
>>>
>>>(a) I did my homework.
>>>(b) I done my homework.
>>
>>Are there dialects that use both of these?  (I mean both of "did"
>>and "done" rather than "did" and "have done.")
>
>Certainly.  They're generally basilectical (low status) dialects, but
>I heard it all the time in Chicago and I'm sure I hear it around
>here.  I'd be surprised if you couldn't find such dialects near MIT
>(or anywhere else in the country--you hear it on TV a lot).

I'm not sure I'm being understood.  I have frequently heard both (a)
and (b).  I do not recall having heard both from the same person
speaking in the same social situation.  Since the original post asked
for the situations in which each should be used, I was wondering if
there are actually any dialects that contain both of them, presumably
with distinct connotations.

-David
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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Can I axe you a question?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 16:00:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes: 
|(A. Jing Hippy) responded...
|>No, I did not at all object to the idea that everyone in the North 
|>Carolina piedmont sounds "black".  I did not object at all, in fact.
|>I was merely surprised that someone from Tennessee would say something like
|>this.  As someone who has heard a very wide variety of "southern" accents
|>all of his life, I can tell the difference between north Georgia, south
|>Georgia/north Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, parts of Texas,
|>east Tennessee and west Tennessee.
| 
|I'm confused about why you're surprised that someone in or even from 
|Tennessee would make the quoted statement about piedmont speech.  As you note,
|people who are not familiar with the South can't tell a piedmont accent
|from a Texas drawl.  On the other hand, I don't know why you would suppose
|that Tennesseans are able to distinguish similar dialects in a region of
|North Carolina--after all, you are apparently unaware that TENN-uh-see is _not_ 
|the East Tennessee pronunciation of the state's name.  (Maybe in Union 
|County, I dunno.  In Knoxville they say Teyn-uh-SEE just like everyone else.)
| 
| N.B.  My cohabitor is an East Tennessee native.  I'm an Angelino.

Hmmmm..... live and learn, I guess.  That'll teach me not to try to 
pinpoint someone's place of origin on the pronunciation of a single word.
Although I *have* spent some little time in various parts of Tennessee,
the largest part of my exposure to the accent(s) of the state comes from
personalities that I know are from that state and not just transplants.

Again, hope I didn't offend.  That was not my intent.

+--------------------------------------------------+
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From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Usage: 'goes' for 'said'
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:22:33 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
Summary: Don't ask me how to ask.

In article <1992Aug29.204008.25891@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

>In article <17egt1INN1ht@agate.berkeley.edu>, windsor@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Katherine Windsor) writes:
>
>> Have y'all seen the Saturn commercial, in which a nice-looking
>> late-teen/early-twenties aged woman is narrating the visit she 
>> and her father took to a car dealer?  In this ad, she 
>> distinctly says "and he (meaning her father) goes (meaning said)..."
>
>   Doesn't "goes" imply something slightly more than "said"?
>"Said" can be used whenever you repeat someone's words.  Doesn't
>"goes" imply that she's mimicking her father's tone of voice, as
>well as repeating his words?
>
>misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel
>Sunbeams brightly play, where Fancy's fair pavilion once is pight.

When someone uses these forms of indirect speech and the listener
wants him/her/them to repeat it, he/she/they might ask,

     "What did he say?" or
     "How did he go?" , respectively.

Would you agree? If these are the correct questions to ask (instead
of *"What did he go?"), then IMHO the "how" indicates that the stress
is on the way it is said rather than on the contents.

Maybe my supposition is wrong; if so, please feel free to correct me.
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From: weather@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (Stephen A. Weatherford)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: What does this mean?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:47:47 GMT
Reply-To: s-weatherford@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

awe@ki.icl.se (Anders Weister) writes:

>diamong@gov.on.ca (Gerald Diamond) writes:

>>I saw an ad in the subway (Toronto) yesterday that said
>>"All flavours not available in all provinces"

>>I assume the company meant 
>>"Some flavours may not be be available in certain provinces"
etc

>Therefor your assumption of what the company ment is better
>or
>"All provinces do not have all flavours"
>or
[etc]

But isn't this also logically incorrect?  If all of the provinces do
not have all flavors, then each one of them has does not have all
flavors, so that every single flavor is available in no single
province.  You're other suggestion is the only one that seems to state
this correctly, i.e. "Not all provinces have all flavours" where the
NOT modifies "all" rather than "have."  Not so?  (Of course, I realize
that the other choice is the popular way of saying it, but it sure
grates on my sense of logic!)

>/Anders

Stephen
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Problem with 'they' (etc) as 3p singular common gender pron.
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:10:31 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Aug31.182114.929@Princeton.EDU> mikulska@crux.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska) writes:
>Grammar and usage are still taught in a pre- and
>proscriptive way rather than descriptively.

Actually, this is not quite true - I was already a reasonable speaker
of English when I heard that some grammarians thought stranding your
prepositions was a bad idea.  It made no sense to me - not just
because I had been taught to strand mine, but because for me it was
such an attractively exotic feature of the language, and I couldn't
see why we shouldn't avail ourselves of it.

And it was only about a year ago that I first heard about splitting
infinitives being a sin.  I hadn't been taught that either.

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Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Another Americanism?
Keywords: for in
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:20:06 GMT

In article <j-cn8jd.henry@netcom.com>, henry@netcom.com (Henry Polard) writes:
> This may be a Beebism, but on the BBC I keep hearing sentences like:
> 
> 	This is the first time this has happened for thirty years.
> 	                                         ^^^
> where I, an American, would say:
> 
> 	This is the first time this has happened in thirty years.
> 	                                         ^^
> Is "for" here standard British English? 

The use of "for" here is perfectly correct to these British ears. The US 
version using "in" always jars slightly. My trusty OED that I have in the
office says that "for" means (amongst other things) "during". I could not
find an equivalent for "in" but it is an _old_ and trusty OED.

Simon.
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Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: Welcome to alt.text.dwb
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:03:00 GMT


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From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Hypnosis books
Keywords: book
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Originator: bjbisset@c00009-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


 Just a quick question.  Does anyone out there know of any good book(s) to read
to learn hypnosis and/or self-hypnosis?  Most of the books in the NCSU library
are case studies and arguments about whether or not hypnosis works for this or
that.

                             Billy Bissette a.k.a. bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: raine@where.gmr.com (Paul J. Raine)
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: test
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:12:09 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

Your first test worked - I ignored it completely.
However, your second test failed.  I simply couldn't ignore it.

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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: test
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:39:40 GMT
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ

In article <sysop.159@elan.glassboro.edu> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:

>Please ignore (I'm used to it).
I'm testing again
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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: test
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:28:44 GMT

Please ignore (I'm used to it).
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Subject: Re: Transmission question, and heaps of praise for Helicoil
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:22:49 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

 As far as (3) and (4), I believe lots of older transmissions used a
different type of gear (straight-cut?) for first and maybe didn't even
put a synchro on it; they seemed to think you'd never drop into first
except when leaving from a stop. The cut of the gear accounts for the 
noise (most reverse gears are also straight cut, 'cause it's cheaper 
and they see much less use). The lack of synchro accounts for the 
crunch (and the straight gears may not help).
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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Filling Holes
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:12:43 GMT


My '53 Ford has battle damage to the right rear quarter, above the wheel.
I would guess that the damage was done about 30 years ago, and the repair
job was not good.  Holes were drilled in the dents, and the metal was
pulled out to an approximation of the original contour.  Plastic filler --
a great deal of it -- was then plastered on to finish the job.  I've
removed the filler and beat the panel back into shape, but there are about
a dozen holes (3/16" to 1/4") still in the metal.

So my question is.......how do I fill these holes permanently?  Do I weld
a patch behind the hole and fill it with weld bead?  Can I counter sink
the holes a bit and fill them with lead?  What's the best approach?


An aside note:  For anyone who has a lot of filler to remove, heat works
great!  Heat it up and take it off with a putty knife or scraper.  Wear
a breather of some sort, though.  Burning paint and charred filler are
most likely hazardous to your health.


Thanks,

Mike Lynch
Organization: Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA