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From: hyde@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: The Bear Flag Revolt
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:54:10 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1jk9ov$mul@agate.berkeley.edu>, cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.191011.10687@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>
>>California--which was briefly independent--has a bear on the state
>>flag.
> 
> When he says "briefly" he means "for about three days", and it was a
> put-up job: California declared itself independent from Mexico, waited
> a couple of days, and petitioned to join the U.S.
> 


	Or to be more exact, a few dozen american immigrants
	declared california to be independent from mexico.  The vast
	bulk of the population disagreed.  The parallel with the
	iraqui-installed "government" in Kuwait two years ago
	is very close.

	If I could set followups with this software, I'd set them
	to Soc.History, which badly needs a discussion/flamewar
	which is not about greeks/turks/armenians/nazis.



						Bill Hyde
Department of Oceanography
Dalhousie University,
Halifax, Nova Scotia
hyde@ac.dal.ca or hyde@dalac
From: ojvind@chagall.cns.caltech.edu (Ojvind Bernander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: writing Styles
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:50:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1993Jan21.162345.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>I am curious as to what this groups opinions are concerning writing
>styles.  Do you like a writer who as a very clear style so that
>you don't even notice it.  Or do you prefer writing that is highly
>stylized.  
...

I definitely prefer straight prose that where the form doesn't obtrude
into your consciousness and disturb your line of thought.  The writer
that tries to show off his poetic skill often overdoes it and the
writing becomes overwrought.  A good example of someone who treads
a fine line is Simmons in Hyperion.

-- Ojvind
From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry cullingford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: PIERS ANTHONYS XANTH BOOKS????????
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:28:13 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

I stopped buying them after around number 9. It looked as though the
flow of good, new ideas had about dried up - the books were becoming
a bit 'samey'.

Now sometimes that's not too bad - Just look at the Destroyer series,
which is unashamed pulp, and still going strong at around number 90 or
so. High art it isn't (apart from Chiun :-)), but they still make fun
mind-candy.

OTOH, I haven't been particularly impressed by any of PAs stuff after
On a Pale Horse.. And he's dropped from "Must buy" to "probably won't like"
in my rating.  Stick to the early stuff.... :-) :-)

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From: mphall@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: Tolkien's (and Donaldson's) style (was Re: writing Styles)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:14:59 GMT

In article <TORKEL.93Jan26155345@isis.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>
>  Yours is the more orthodox view, I believe. I seem to recall that
>somebody - was it Damon Knight? - invented the term "said-bookism" for
>"he gasped" etc, and regarded the frequent use of said-bookisms as a
>sure sign of a poor writer.

	Yeah.  A remarkably abusive editor I once had was careful to
take one of the first assignments I handed in and write WRONG in red pen
over every retort, quip, response, jibe, and laugh I had thrown in.
Friendly guy.  Loved his whiskey and Camels, but a friendly guy.

	-Mike
-- 
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From: aaron@atlantis.uucp
Subject: Covenant with AIDS
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 05:09:04 GMT

A strange idea(maybe not even an idea--a conceit)came to me a couple of
nights ago.

Would Thomas Covenant have worked with AIDS instead of leprosy?

I realize that when Donaldson originally wrote the trilogy, AIDS wasn't
extant(was it?), and that he was more familiar with leprosy from his
father's work, but still--I got to wondering.

He wouldn't be able to determine the effects of the hurtloam as quickly,
since I don't think AIDS has as perceptible symptoms as leprosy.  And the
constant need for VSE's in leprosy doesn't really have an equivalent in AIDS.
But a good writer could, perhaps, think of equivalents or merely obviate the
need for them.

Any other comments?  Seawasp, you're a Covenant expert--what do you think?

-- 
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"I tell everyone a different story...that way nothing's ever boring."              ---Jane Siberry
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Current Read--Michelle Sagara:Into The Dark Lands
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From: jkm2@ra.msstate.edu (Joseph K Mcallister)
Subject: Re: Mat (was Aes Sedai)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:49:56 GMT

>In article <1993Jan26.150344.4723@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>,  (David Ingham) writes:
>> 
>> What I was trying to say (and not doing a very good job of it) was that
>> IMHO, Mat is not really reincarnated from anyone.  Wasn't Shadar Logoth
>> (sp?) created during the trolloc wars? If so, it seems that to break the
>> daggers bound on Mat, he was taken back to that time (spiritually of
>> course), and the tie was severed.  As a result he seems to have memories
>> and abilities from that time.
>
>Yes, but his memories seem to go back much further than that, back to when
>the Old Tongue was the main language.
> 
>-darkelf
>-----
>"I have no brother, am like no brother;
> And this word "love", which the greybeards call divine,
> Be resident in men like one another
> And not in me.  I am myself alone."
>        -Gloucester, Henry VI Pt. 3
>-----

  Mat seems to have the memories of every life that he has lived.  One of those
lives was the last king of Mathereen.  



                 this is of course IMHO.


                   -Joel
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From: cwalters@ducvax.auburn.edu (The Honky Avenger)
Subject: looking for obscure O.S.Card
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Auburn University--Auburn, AL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:06:00 GMT

Hi, all!

A friend once told me about a book by Orson Scott Card called "Saint Speak",
an off-the-wall look at Mormonism.  I was reminded of it a few days back
in SF-LOVERS-DIGEST, and accidentally threw the issue away :(

Anyhow, is there anyone out there who can tell me about that book?  Or
has a clue as to its full title, Card's co-author, or anything like
that?

Thanks, gang.

Christian Walters
dcwalter@dcw.b23b.ingr.com

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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Tolkien's (and Donaldson's) style (was Re: writing Styles)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:43:50 GMT

kers@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Chris Dollin) writes:

>   "X said" was replaced by, "X gasped," or "X whispered," etc. 
>
>I'm not sure if this is taste, or convention (and if the latter, whether it be
>genre-specific or distributed through modern writing), but I find the
>multifarious ways of saying ``said'' to be more noticable (and objectionable)
>than repeated use of ``said''. That gasped, it should -- sorry, I prefer it to
>-- be used sparingly. (Using variants regularly tend to make them less
>effective.)


     Amen.  "Gasped" and other forms of, uh, vivid writing are pretty close
in most cases to writing with CAPITAL LETTERS AND A LOT OF EXCLAMATION
POINTS!!!!!!  The point is to give the characters interesting things to say;
if they say interesting things all the parsley and other garnish in the form
of "gasped", etc isn't necessary.  If they don't it won't help.


>   I will definitely give LotR another chance, and will
>   change my reading style and read it more quickly and ignore the maps,
>   genealogy details, etc.  Maybe that's how it should be read the first
>   time, quickly for the action?
>
>Not quickly for the action, but without the maps and geneology details.
>[Philistine that I am, I tend to ignore the poetry, as well.]

     Kindly old Prof. T's verse really is a mixed bag, isn't it?  But the
song of the ents and entwives is a standout -- clever, unpretentious and no
great blunders of versification.  Incidentally, a lot of the verse sounds
much better when read aloud by someone who knows what he's doing, such as 
the fellow who reads LOTR on the Books on Tape version.

                                                 -- jf
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Best "Suspension of Disbelief"
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:01:46 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1jhionINN731@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>What are, IYO, the best jokes that SF - authors have played upon their
>readers willing to suspend their disbelief?

>My two favourites are Niven's "Teela Brown gene" from _Ringworld_ and
>Brin's "Practice Effect" from the novel of the same name.

I don't really think the Practice Effect qualifies for this contest.
You might as well include Douglas Adams's Babble Fish.  With the Teela
Brown gene you say "Well, maybe...".  With the Practice Effect you say
"Bullshit, but I'll believe it for one story."
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From: chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai (VERY LONG!)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:42:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Nynaeve/Vivian/Nimue:  I *knew* this was a reference to Merlin's
femme fatale, but I couldn't find the reference.

And yes, I think it does make sense if you assume:

		Moiraine=Merlin

(Thinks about what he just said.)  Of course you can take the
analogy too far, but if you told Nynaeve she was Moiraine's
nemesis, she'd probably cackle with delight.

-- 
			C h r i s t i a n  G a d e k e n

Yakumo: "But I really did destroy a monster in Hong Kong!
Saru  : "Ahem, ahem"
Yakumo: "Saru, do you believe me?"
Saru  : "Where's my Hong Kong souvenir?"
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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: sterling
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:08:23 GMT

jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:

>Sterling is a real wiener
                     
>of a person, but he's an excellent writer.

>Craig

How so? Enquiring minds want to know! :-)
From: as3@st-andrews.ac.uk (Arend Sluis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Keywords: Sedai, Templar, Masonry
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:44:23 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

As to point 3, when Matt blew the Horn of Valere, Artur Paendrag showed up. That leaves only Aemon, for which there is much additional evidence (gambling for instance).`


-Arend "Jim" Sluis
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From: steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:31:54 GMT

In article <93026.134439CSD108@psuvm.psu.edu>, CSD108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
> 2 at end of EOTW - Aginor and Balthamel
> One Rand caught - Asmodean
> One with Morgase - Rahvin (?)
> Butt-whipped by Nynaeve - Moghedien (sp?)
> One killed in Tear - Ishamael (?)

Are you sure about this last one?  For some reason I want to say you are wrong,
since Ishamael was supposedly the strongest of the Forsaken, and I don't think
he would have bought it like that.
 
-darkelf
-----
"I have no brother, am like no brother;
 And this word "love", which the greybeards call divine,
 Be resident in men like one another
 And not in me.  I am myself alone."
	-Gloucester, Henry VI Pt. 3
-----
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From: garyg@netcom.com (Gary Greene)
Subject: Re: Steven R. Boyett
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:46:55 GMT

phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie) writes:

>In article <9301230829.AA05234@rutgers.edu> RKOSTER3@UA1VM.UA.EDU (Raph Koster) writes:
>>I have read  Ariel and The Architect of Sleep & enjoyed both. What is
>>the title of the second book in the Architect of Sleep series and
>>how might it be found? When did it come out? Anybody have an ISBN number?

>The second book of the AoS series has not been published due to Boyett
>changing publishers - the new one doesn't want to publish only the later
>half of a series, and the old one wasn't paying enough to suit Boyett.

Well, at least he isn't dead in an accident someplace as I feared, but what 
work has he brought out through the second publisher?  I haven't seen a 
durn thing since AoS, which has saddened me.  He was one of my authors to 
watch and then he disappeared!

Cheers,

Gary Greene
Santa Clara, California				garyg@netcom.com
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Hannibal Fortune, Larry Maddock books/info
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:28:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Well, I have all four, but am not willing to part with them.  You might
be able to pick up the 4th at an SF bookstore that carries used books or
(like me) pick it up in the Dealers' Room at a Con.  It's at home, so I
don't for sure remember the title.  I think, though, it was something like
"The Time Trap Gambit"?  Basically he gets involved with an attempt to
tamper with the Punic Wars...

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:49:02 EST
From: <CSD108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
 <1993Jan24.180034.29913@netcom.com> <darknite.727908939@camelot>
 <1993Jan25.183058.21079@cc.gatech.edu>
 <1993Jan25.221339.19643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>

In article <1993Jan25.221339.19643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, (David Ingham) says:
>Mat was only made one of the heroes after he was separated from the Dagger
>by the White Tower.  Notice in the first two books he didn't show any signs
>of his luck or speaking in the old tounge.  Kind of like a time distortion.
> Maybe aemon was his great, great , great etc. grandfather.
>
Error. I'm pretty sure he spoke in the old tongue in both Eye of the World
and The Great Hunt. (I'm certain about EotW.)

-Craig

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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Keith Laumer died
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:19:04 GMT
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England

In article <1993Jan26.232239.6838@netcom.com>, magus@netcom.com (Magus) writes:
|> Damn.
|> 
|> His Retief books are one of the few that get me to consistently smile when I
|> re-read them.

The Lafayette O'Leary books were my favourites. Those high-tech Dwarves
with the flying carpets and hot-line to Central...

   Alan

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From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:27:26 GMT

If you're interested in the story, it can be found in:

Author:        Cross, Tom Peete, 1879-1951, ed.
Title:         Ancient Irish tales, edited by Tom Peete Cross and Clark Harris
                 Slover. With a rev. bibliography by Charles W. Dunn. New York,
                 Barnes & Noble [1977, c1936]

As far as I know, this is still in print.  Cross and Slover is a decent
source for old Irish translations, Gantz is better, but doesn't cover the
same material:

Title:         Early Irish myths and sagas / translated with an introduction
                 and notes by Jeffrey Gantz. New York : Dorset Press, 1985.
Description:   vi, 279 p. : 1 map ; 21 cm.

Which should be easy to find, either in this edition, or the Penguin edition
of the same work.

A minor point - tuatha de dannann means "people of the goddess Danu."
"tuatha" is basically the same word as tribe, de is the genative case of
goddess, and Dannann is assumed to be the genative of Danu.  (Assumed,
because Danu isn't attested anywhere.  It's a common Old Irish declension
pattern though.)


-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
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From: jjxxjj@mixcom.com (Tom Damm)
Subject: Re: Niven/Pournelle, continued
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:29:28 GMT

In article <HUGH.93Jan22172900@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz> hugh@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:26:41 GMT, puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) said:
[Deleted]
>
>The Salmon are male, but if they can avoid being eaten then they
     ^^^^^^^
I know it's just a typo, but I kept saying "Salmon" to myself as I
read this.  "Samlon" always came across as "Salmon."

>change into Grendels which are female.
>Hugh Emberson -- CS Postgrad
>hugh@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz

-Tom
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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1k502bINN58t@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, by chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken):
> In article <cfNQIh200Uh707Mq4P@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Alan Lang <Elistan+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>>
>>    I have a question about an event in the fourth book.  In Alcair Dal,
>>Rand planned to reveal himself as the Car'a'carn.  However, Couladin
>>somehow gets the two tatoos and claims that he is the Car'a'carn. 
>>However, acording to prophecy, once the Dragon proclaims himself, there
>>will be no more False Dragons.  

I don't think that is the prophecy.  It was only speculation by Siuan(?).

>>If this means that Couladin is not a
>>False Dragon, just what is he?
>>
> A dupe of Asmodean's and/or Lanfear's.

yup.

SEH
From: cordell@shaman.nexagen.com (Bruce Cordell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: writing Styles
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:47:21 -0700
Organization: NeXagen.com
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mdl@oscar.bellcore.com (Michael Lynch) writes:


>|> In article <1993Jan21.162345.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>|> |> I am curious as to what this groups opinions are concerning writing
>|> |> styles.  Do you like a writer who as a very clear style so that
>|> |> you don't even notice it.  Or do you prefer writing that is highly
>|> |> stylized.  
>|> 


>It's not style, but I rarely read a book that's written in the first
>person singular.  I'm not comfortable with them, generally, and I'm
>not sure why.  Maybe I'd rather be a spectator than a participant.
>Anyone else suffer(?) from this bias?

>Mike Lynch
>mdl@oscar.bellcore.com


Me, I'm a first person singular kind of guy. Probably due to some
of the first science fiction I had read as a child, _A Princess of Mars_,
_John Carter of Mars_, etc., were written in first person. 

I like having a story related to me directly by the protagonist. It
relays a definate sence of urgency and relevance, at least to me.

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Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
From: alanb@sdl.ug.eds.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:22:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu's message of 21 Jan 1993 14:35:16 -0800

>>>>> On 21 Jan 1993 14:35:16 -0800, harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak) said:

> Just a couple little tidbits I've come across in the recent past, sorry if
> I'm repeating something you already know:

> Aes Sedai:

> 	For the longest time, nobody I've known or seen the writings of
> has been able to come up with any "real-world" tradition/myth/religion
> that fits the concept of Aes Sedai.  However, I've recently been given to
> know that El Shadai is, if my source was right, a Hebrew term for God. 
> Sorry...no leads on Saidin/Saidar, though.
Shaitan/Satan? (sorry, I have know idea what or who the Saidin/Saidar are).

> Sa'angreal:
> 	The Sang Real = The Holy Grail (a fount of power).
Reminds me of something (Foucault's Pendulum) where some things involved
punning "San Greal" (the grail) with "Sang Real" (the blood, source of
the grail's power). Depending on legend the grail is either the vessel
used by Christ at the Last Supper ("This is my blood"), or was used to
catch his blood when the Roman soldier stuck a spear in his side to check
he was dead.

> Shayol Ghul:
> 	Sheol = Hebrew term for "hell"  (So what does "sharom" mean?)
Ghul is a variant spelling of ghoul.
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Covenant with AIDS
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:02:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1993Jan22.221849.4800@nmsu.edu> tnielson@kirk (THORIN NIELSON) writes:
>> 	Where AIDS versus leprosy would fail would be in the  SECOND
>> trilogy. If the Creator didn't cure Covenant's AIDS (especially if it
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> was fairly advanced to begin with) at the end of the first, Covenant
>> would never have lived the ten years until the second, let alone be
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> in any shape to  do the adventures in the Wounded Land without 
>> hurtloam.
>> 	And if his AIDS *had* been cured, he'd be a medical celebrity.
	    ^^

>Invalid argument.

	Don't take this as a flame...

	BUT FOR GOG'S SAKE, *READ* what is written.

>To jog your memory, Covenant was NOT 'healed' of his leprosy,

	Obviously I know that. However, what I was referring to was
that the Creator OFFERED to do so -- to HEAL Covenant, in this world,
in return for his services.
	Covenant, as we know, refused this for his own reasons. However,
what I was saying above, was that if the Creator did NOT heal Covenant --
that is, if Covenant refused him in the AIDS condition -- Covenant would
not have SURVIVED until the second trilogy.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;