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From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: G-forces. Interesting car.
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:41:52 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
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G'day all,
 
With all the discussion on G forces and speed I thought I would add my
favourite car to the list, the Testarossa. Well not really the "factory"
Ferrari Testarossa but the Koenig modified version.
 
Koenig Specials GMBH will modify your Testarossa for a little less than
the original purchase price. It is specified as:
 
  -  4.3 Flat 12
  -  Twin Rajay turbocharges using air-to-air intercoolers.
  -  Water injection.
  -  Special Exhaust.
  -  Internal engine modifications including re-blueprinting of all
     internals, special race pistons etc etc.
  -  external body work modifications including rear "wind-tunnel tested"
     wing, modified doors, air intakes and paintwork.
 
The real "stunners" are this:
 
  - Develops 530 Kw (710 HP) @ 6300 RPM.
  - Top speed of 340 Kph (210 MPH)
  - 0 - 100 Kph (60 MPH) = 3.8 seconds
  - 0 - 200 Kph (120 MPH) = 8.4 seconds.
  - Lateral acceleration in the range of 1.2 G's.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wouldn't be a bad car to do the shopping in, would it? :-)
 
Cheers.
From: jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Davey Allison, Salesman
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:07:55 GMT
Organization: Eastern & Ohio Railroad Company
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Oct16.164830.20841@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>With a few minutes to spare last night, I was dancing through
>the cable channels with the outside chance of falling upon some
>racing stuff.  Up came the 'home shopping network' or whatever
>they call that thing ("have your credit card drawn and ready to
>fire") and lo and behold, there's old Davey Allison sitting with
>the head salesman guy or whatever (is he like the sales manager
>at a car dealership?).

I remember that they also had Dale Earnhardt on a couple months ago. 
Unfortunately for me, I was pretty broke at the time........ :-)

Later,
-Jer
--
Jerry W. Jordak        "After you see what I go through, you'll think 
a.k.a. Jermaster        twice before go out and break windows, lose
(jwj2@po.cwru.edu)      jackets, get married, have kids......" --Al Bundy
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy in urope???!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:48:36 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:

>Interesting tidbit in USA Today (10-14), and I quote
>
>"The IndyCar cicuit reached agreement with the Federation International Sport 
>Auto to stage up to six international oval races next season.  FISA previously 
>had withheld authorization, apparently concerned IndyCar races in Europe would 
>interfere with Formula One."

Tonight on SpeedWeek they also mentioned this.  It sounds like FISA will now
accept Surfer's Paradise, but any new events hosted outside the USA must be
run on ovals, up to a maximum of six events (I'm not sure if that includes 
existing events in Canada and Oz).  And I'm not sure how Canada fits in here
I didn't catch the entire story.

The new IndyCar race they are talking about in Brazil is an oval, right?

Dan Jones
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.163258.8033@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:
>
>Can anyone comfirm that Porsche won the manufacturer's cup in the Bridgestone 
>Supercar series?  Thanks.
>
>Deron Wood

I know for a fact that Doc Bundy has won the drivers championship with
Lotusport.  It was my understanding that Lotusport was behind Porsche by a
couple of points after the Phoenix race.  I was told that Lotusport had to
place 1 and 3 to win the manufacture's cup in Phoenix.  Doc Bundy did come in
first in Phoenix, but the other Lotusport entries finished lower than 3rd.

Well the race this past weekend in San Diego, Lotusport capatured 2, 3, 4 and
7.  The Porsche's came in 1 and 5 (or 6).  Based on these results, I think that
Lotusport may have won the manufacture's cup.

-- 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: FYI - WC points
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: maximill.14OCT199218031875
Distribution: usa
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct13.213119.28618@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, 
ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer) writes...
>Winston Cup Point Standings for top 18 positions as of 12-oct-1992
>(Albuquerque Journal)
> 
>1.	Bill Elliott (11)		Ford	3650
>2.	Davey Allison (28)		Ford	3611
>3.	Alan Kulwicki (7)		Ford	3606
>4. 	Mark Martin (6)			Ford	3562
>5.	Harry Gant (33)			Olds	3555
>6.	Kyle Petty (42)			Pont	3539

[rest of the list deleted]

Two questions:

1) does this reflect the disqualification of Bobby Hillin, where he 
was dropped to last and all drivers below him move up one place?  If 
so, Elliott and Allison gain three points.  Kulwicki, Martin and Petty 
stay the same.  I'm not sure where Gant finished in relation to 
Hillin, with Hillin being 15th.

2) is this disqualification true and just not rumor?

OK, make it three questions

3) I haven't seen a WC car be allowed to weld in the pit area before 
this week.  All work like that usually goes on behind the pit wall.  
So, how did Elliott get to do it?  Not meant as a flame toward Elliott 
or Junior, just inquiring mind wanting to know.

David
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Jr & Flossie - NOT!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172703.24437@convex.com> miller@convex.com (Ken Miller) writes:
>	The local paper in Hampton Roads Va. says that Bill Elliott "hit
>	the turn 4 wall" on lap 295 while running 6th, which caused the
>	problem. The paper also stated Hut Stricklin went out after 305
>	laps due to "engine failure". Bill Elliott completed 310 laps.
>
>	I can see Junior pulling Hut's car out to assist Elliott, but
>	after the **great** coverage by TBS, I wonder if Hut's car actually
>	did have problems? Did Elliott actually come in contact with the
>	turn 4 wall? Can anyone confirm/deny this?
>
One quick look at Bill pulling the car into the pits certainly proved
that his rear axle was grossly out of alignment, but the TBS crew sure
didn't seem to notice.

Ever notice that whatever race Ken Squier is calling, it sounds just
like the Daytona 500 on CBS?  "Stay tuned for flag to flag coverage..."

-cball-

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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Charlotte Update
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:45:58 GMT

pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:

>	Also -- if Bill Davis takes his team to WC next year,
>who's gonna carry the TBird banner in BGN??  Inquiring minds
>wnat to know .....

Rumor I hear is that Mark Martin wants to continue running his
#60 Tbird next year, and already has Kroger signed up.  But, Roush
doesn't want him driving it.  So, rather than fold, Mark is looking
for someone else to put in the car.  I wonder if Lyn St. James wants
to take a shot at it?

-- 
David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL  (205) 461-4517
(cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Help Me: Synthetics - The Final Word..
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:23:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct14.012333.26466
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

I use Mobil 1 in my '86 GTI (131,000 miles).

* Oil consumption was 1 quart per 3000 miles before I switched to Mobil 1.
  it decreased dramatically.

* Accelleration improved by about .3 seconds to 60 MPH.

* I got some additional valve cover gasket leakage.  Some synthetics apparently
  shrink gasket parts but replacing the gasket with a new one (different
  material) fixed the problem.

I think that it's probably a bad idea to break in a motor with anything but
petroleum based oils (I guess I still believe that the final milling operation
on an engine is to run it for a couple thousand miles), but I plan to switch
to synth lube after breakin of my next new car.
   
-- 
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Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: AutoWeek on Patrese's crash
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:43:08 GMT

In <1992Oct7.191845.27545@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:

>yards at 160 mph.  This seems to be plenty of straightline driving for Berger 
>to have raised his hand to signal Patrese, IMHO.

Except that, as Robert Marti has noted, no one in F1 does this sort of
thing. For a start, it would be difficult to see the guys arm from behind
because of the rear wing.

>     Also, if you watch his line off of the corner, he makes no sudden move to 
>make it apparent that he is going to pit.  He takes a smooth line off the 
>corner that would seem to imply he was just trying to shake Patrese off his 
>tail and prevent him from gaining the draft.  I fault Berger in this incident 

Well, this is all wrong. You can't hope to shake someone out of your
draft if you drive a smooth line; you have to jink around a bit.


regards,
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From: welty@balltown.cma.com (richard welty)
Subject: Lime Rock Park paving news
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:14:04 GMT


word is that paving work will begin at lime rock on the 19th of October;
work planned at this time is from `bridge to bridge': from the short
straight leading to the diving turn to the end of the main straight.

proposals to change the layout of the track were shelved; next memorial
day it will be damned interesting to see how fast the GTP cars are going
at the end of the main straight.

i'm going to a marque club school there on the 15th (before the
paving), and on november 7th (just after the paving); i'll report
on my perceptions of the difference if anyone is interested.

richard
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR tidbits
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164417.4190@convex.com> miller@convex.com (Ken Miller) writes:
>a July 31st 1994 500 mile event . In addition officials are looking at sites
>other than Sears POint International for it's annual west coast road race.
>Road courses at Laguna Seca, Willow Springs and Delmar are being considered
>for 1994. Next years race at sears point will be may 16th, almost a month
>earlier then usual.

BIG NEWS, IF IT'S TRUE.........and if I believe this, my obvious
question, of course, is WHY THE HELL ISN'T PORTLAND INT'L ON THIS
LIST??!!  'Course I'm more than a little prejudiced in this one,
but in my opinion, our PIR is much better suited to the 3500lb taxicabs
than these other places, especially Del Mar.  Give me a break - another
street course?  

I'd put good money that the Pacific Northwest would drastically outdraw
any of the above mentioned tracks as well.  But the big problem, again
my own opinion, is that......we ain't California! (but I've often heard
that the PNW is one of the favorite regions for companies to test new
products)

Gonna' stay on top of this one......
-cball-
From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo   (410)338-4577)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Why I like r.a.s. (was Re: Engine oil in gearbox (was synthetics))
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD



>
>>DO NOT, under any circumstances, use SYNTHETIC oil in a
>>SYNCHROMESH GEARBOX.
>

One reason I don't get near the rec.autos, rec.autos.driving groups anymore 
is because of the predominance of these sorts of overblown, blanket
statements. Although I can think of higher signal to noise scenarios than any
newsgroup, we in r.a.s don't have it too bad.

Have you ever noticed, in a lot of cases, the more knowledge one gains about 
a particular subject, the less really clear-cut, blanket, statements can be
made???


Matt
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Le Mans (was Re: top 5 drivers/top 3 tracks)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:26:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.201644.9956@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes:
>     1.  Le Mans  (before the chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight)

Now that the Le Mans folks have said that they will run the race to their own 
liking next year, will they get rid of those FISA-mandated chicanes?

One can only hope....

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar/Nazareth:  "Style and grace" -- NOT!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:03:37 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Oct6.150133.20861@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>
>	Actually, I'm a blue-oval-fan; I was disappointed that Michael
>handled the post-race interview so poorly.  I took heart that all the
>XB's finished!  Was Cheever the only Ganassi car entered?

  Chip (for some reason) only entered one car in the race. However Ari (sp?)
 was there! He mentioned that next year will see him in a fulltime ride,
 but he could not mention where just yet.

  My guess is he will be replacing Eddie :-(

 -Dan
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From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nigel and Michael
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:09:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct16.133750.22705@b8.b8.ingr.com> drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
>Also, my wife wants to give me a trip to a comptition driving school for
>my next b'day. Any recommendations, comments, criticisms?


I did the Bondurant 4 day competition road racing class in april, 1991.
Thought it was GREAT. Would love to do it again. First 2.5 days are in a
race prepped ford mustang GT, last 1.5 days in a croussle FF.
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:55:10 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <92277.173649JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
#In article <390@rehab1.UUCP>, dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) says:
#
#>  Just got word last night that its offical! McDonalds will be the sponser
#> of Junior Johnsons 2nd car in 1993. The #27 (yes Rusty's old number ;-)
#> will be driven by Hut Stricklin! Rumors have the #22 staying with Maxwell
#> House and moving to a new team driven by Bobby Labonte.
#
#I was given to understand that the number stayed with the *owner*, not the
#driver or anyone else...that's why when Bill Elliott joined Junior's team, he
#did not keep #9.  So, I think that #11 and #22 are still going to be Junior's
#cars next year, not #11 and #27.

  It is true that NASCAR assigns the car number to a team owner. (Thats why
 the Budweiser Ford was not 11 for a few races when Jr. was under suspension)
 However a team owner can return a number to NASCAR for use by another team.
 And quite often a few (cough.. cough..) dollars travel the other direction.
 An exaple was when Rusty formed his own team. The #2 was used by another
 team but they offered to 'buy' it.

  McDonalds is so concerned about the Bud sponser that Jr is building a new
 shop for the #27. It will not be aside or across the street from the #11,
 but quite a bit farther away.

 -Dan
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: %Brakes - technology - F1
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:08:00 +0000


skimming the recent thread on brakes there seemed to be a lot of
opinion and not too much fact, so I thought I would dig out the
October issue of 'Car design' which has an article on F1 brakes...

'Over the last five years iron brake discs have alomost disappeared
from top-level motorsport ...why?'

...'the unsprung mass steering and rotational inertai benfeits of a
disc that weighed a quarter of...iron F1 brake..potential braking
advantages (as well..)'

paraphrasing. Brakes are all about turning the energy of the cars
motion into HEAT and getting rid of it. Carbon operates best at high
tempreatures, so it is - mass for mass - better able to radiate and
convect the heat away. Coefficients of friction aren't really
relevant except that you need to push your foot down harder..


while iron barkes can be made to work at these sorts of levels it
seems (skimming further) that they end up heavier, and more prone to
distortion which can be very dangerous.

One interesting quote more ..."narrower tyres proposed....will bring
higher top speeds..lowewr corner speeds..brake requirements
ashigh..or higher.."

and on road brakes ..."real question is why use them at all..."

Unless you are continously braking, a nice fat lump of iron will give
you enough mass to absorb a few hefty stops at a much cheaper price.

There are other details to do with the way the carbon responds - and
the need to match different compounds to different circuits to
optimise tempreatures.

But the short answer as to 'why carbon fibre etc' is that for
equivalent braking performance under racing conditions, they can be
much lighter and last better.



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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:54:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194156.25712@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer) writes:
>
>... No public (or
>private) school will have auto racing as a sport, although some vo-tech
>type schools will build a street-stock for the local bullring.
>
  I have often thought what a great sport inter-collegiate single
seater racing would be.  Most universities have all the departments
necessary to form a competative team.  You have the engineering and
science departments to design and build a chassis and engine.  The
business department could handle the sponsorship side of things.  Most
universities have enough on campus roads to make a decent track.  I
suppose this is something of dream though.  It would bring a whole new
meaning to college sports :)

--
  Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS    |  Some people can tell what time it is by
  andy@cs.clemson.edu             |  looking at the Sun, but I have never been
  [dxandy@cs.widener.edu]         |  able to make out the numbers.
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From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: IndyCar and FISA
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:04:23 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

From the clari.sports.motor feed:

FISA SUPPORTS INDYCAR'S GLOBAL EXPANSION: FISA has announced its
support for a substantial number of international IndyCar events,
following a meeting in Paris on Oct. 7. Championship Auto Racing Teams,
Inc., (IndyCar) is one of six American motorsport governing bodies
represented in the world motorsports-sanctioning council, FISA
(Federation International Sport Auto), by the Automobile Competition
Committee for the United States (ACCUS).

An agreement was reached between ACCUS and FISA concerning overseas
IndyCar events. IndyCar racing will receive a FISA sanction on races in
North America and Surfers Paradise, Australia, and has been authorized
to conduct as many as six international oval races.

``What has now taken place is what we've wanted all along -- to have
our series recognized for what it is,'' CART Chairman and Chief
Executive Officer William Stokkan said. ``We have been a standing
member of FISA and always intended to conduct our series within the
structure of FISA.

``Our plans for growing the IndyCar racing series were never intended
to interfere with Formula One. Our contention is that the world is big
enough for both series to exist side by side.''


Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>

     Sloppy thinking gets worse over time
				- Jenny Holzer
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Nigel and Michael
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:08:34 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

I heard this joke today via Monterey:

With Michael going to F1, why does Nigel want to go to CART?

He hates the thought of being the number two whinner.

And on the subject of Michael, is his wife going to get a 
makeover before heading to the F1 life next year?  Americans
are concerned.

Dan Jones
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