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From: weed@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: on the "seat belts" thing.
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:38:34 EDT

The thing which strikes me on this "seat belt" thing, is that if such
restraints were worn during battle, the impact of a photon torpedo would cause
*extreme* injury to crew members.
If a 64 megaton (the currently accepted yield for a Federation torpedo),
explosion occurs against Enterprise's hull, it would seem reasonable to assume
that there would be a good deal of violent shaking going on.  I would think
that the shaking would be vviolent enough to cause people to fly about the
bridge if unprotected, and to be literally gutted by regular seat restraints.  
Obviously the shielding and inertial dampening systems are going to cut down on
this quite a bit, but if there *really* is a .250/sec lag time,  this would be
enough  to cause damage to people who were suddenly propelled in unexpected
directions by whatever energy (theoretically, during battle, a good bit after
awhile).  Therefore, (even if the effect doesn't exist), could it be that the
stations project a restraining field which is constant and only reacts to
extremely sudden movements so that just standing up would remain possible, and
even unaffected by such a field.  I realize that no such effect has ever been
seen on TNG, but it seems like some sort of explanation similar to this must be
likely, because unless the lag time is .00001, or less, it would seem that the
acceleration caused by photon detonation would probably be lethal sooner or
later.
Matt
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Enterprises's Shields (TNG) are Worthless
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:05:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Bingo!!!! you hit the nail right on the head.

Sensors DO pass through the shields. (see ST:SNG Tech Manual)
Also, in warp, normal light doppler shifts up to higher frequencies. If
the shields didn't act as they did, The whole crew would be fried by
radiation from a flashlight.

Live long and kill lots of tribbles
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From: budd@ccrs.emr.ca (Mark Budd)
Subject: Re: Enterprises's Shields (TNG) are Worthless
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:46:28 GMT

In article <_kpyh-a@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
> They really are.  Think about this little scenario:
>
> A ship approaches the E., and fires lasers (visible ones).  Since we CAN see
>the ship, wouldn't it make sense that a visible laser would just ignore the
>shield and cut the E. into little chunks of metal?
>
Just speculation, but maybe the shields don't simply block out EM waves.  Maybe
they selectively block out coherent light, or high energy beams.  The Dune
series had a similar thing with their personal shields (if I remember
correctly).  They were impervious to high speed projectiles like bullets, but
not to knife thrusts.

As I said though, pure speculation.

Mark Budd
From: worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Date: 1 Sep 1992 20:42:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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karty@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Student Extraordinaire) writes:

>I dont know the episode name, but the NOMAD probe increased engine efficiency 
>and made the E go warp 14. something.  Kirk destroyed it by making it contradict
>itself.
>--
>kartyja2@ballad.cc.purdue.edu or karty@bank.ecn.purdue.edu.  
>Jon Karty: Student Extraordinaire in MSE, DJ, MUDder, and all around nice guy.
>"So, the Japanese built the Great Wall of China to keep the Russians out in
>WWII." <--- Student in a H.S. GVMT class.    ****Bush Quayle in 92****

The name of this one is The Changling.  I was referring to another episode where
the Enterprise exceeds Warp 10(TOS scale).

Jason Worthington
worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

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From: crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Seatbelts
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:40:33 GMT

Since there are also children on the Enterprose it qualifies as a family
vehicle, and should also have dual-front airbags and anti-lock brakes.
Wouldn't it be cool if airbags exploded from the helm, and every other
instrument panel, whenever the Enterprise was rocked?

And for further safety all of the kids should be in car seats, and the E
should have a roll bar, and ...
From: drucker@csa1.lbl.gov (ROBERT B DRUCKER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Twin paradox
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:14:07 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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I am new to this group...I subscribed because I had a question
about star trek IV :)...anyway that can wait.  I was fascinated by
this discussion of relativity and have to throw in my 2 cents worth.

The question is being discussed (I paraphrase because it was asked by
                                more than one person):

                 How can people on a space ship feel a 1g acceleration
                 for an extended period of time (long enough to get
                 very close to c).

     You must remember that a basic assumption of physics is that there
is no special reference frame.  Suppose this ship is out in space
somewhere...you are worried that they are already going near the speed
of light.  To say that they are going near the speed of light is not
complete: near the speed of light with respect to what other object in
the universe (their launch point, a nearby star,...)?  The point is
that it doesn't matter how they are moving with respect to someone else;
in their reference frame their ship is at rest (and their frame is
as good as anyone else's)...so when they fire their rockets they feel an
acceleration of 1g.

=====

Another question was asked:

                 If twin A is on a ship accelerating at 1g and twin B 
                 is on the Earth so also feels an acceleration of 1g: 
                 why do they age at different rates?

     The question has been answered, but I think that the issue of the
1g acceleration felt by twin B was not addressed.  So let me isolate the
problem by asking _this_ question:

Suppose twin A is floating in space away (say 100k miles)
from the Earth (so he feels almost no gravity at all) and 
twin B is standing on the Earth subjected to 1g acceleration.
Do A and B age at a different rate?  If so how much different?
and does the aging rate change with time?

     This is an interesting question.  Naively you might think that
because B is accelerating at 1g, B should age more and more slowly 
compared to A.

     I haven't thought about GR in over 3 years...can someone else
give a simple, intuitive answer to why the naive answer is not correct?
From: ehohnbau@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Eric Trent Hohnbaum)
Subject: Re: FAQL: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS LIST for rec.arts.startrek.tech
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Reply-To: ehohnbau@ics.uci.edu (Eric Trent Hohnbaum)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:56:40 GMT

Lots of stuff about Moriarty and the Holodeck deleted...


The kicker here is whether or not Moriarty would have been anything but a
vegetable if he had left the holodeck.  The computer was playing the part of
his brains and would likely stop that when he left.  Or, next time the
computer goes down Moriarty dies or something.
From: ehohnbau@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Eric Trent Hohnbaum)
Subject: Re: Enterprises's Shields (TNG) are Worthless
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Reply-To: ehohnbau@ics.uci.edu (Eric Trent Hohnbaum)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:46:05 GMT


In the book: Star Trek The Final Frontier (not the movie book)
 it describes the function of shields as stopping particles and high
 energy light.  I know it's not Canon but it's something.

Also, the E does run constantly with navigational shields up (The Outrageous
O'Konna) but it's probably bad for maintenance and politics to scoot
around everywere with the main deflectors up.
From: dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Starship list
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:45:03 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Does anyone have a list of TNG starships, captains, etc?  I had heard that
such a list was posted here regularly, but I have yet to see one.

Thanks
 
stephen dowling
dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:00:00 EDT
From: <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Question about communicators
Distribution: rec

This computer first reads the infra-red print on the finger when the officer
taps his communicator then listens to here who the person wants to contact.
In a milli-second the computer routes the communication to the intended
party and plays back the begining of the message. Simple ay?
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Holodeck Tech
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:24:30 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>
>I'm sure that TOS had a holodeck or at least something similar. I recall
>someone going to the rec room (?) and calling up different scenes (beach,
>forest etc.) It was much cruder than the TNG holodeck but it was at
>least some kind of primitive version of the holodeck.

I don't recall anything like it in TOS.

Of course, the technology to "paint" a wall with recorded (or even
synthesized) images exists today.  I'm sure it's plausible that TOS
had something like this.  It certainly makes sense to propose that the
holodeck didn't emerge for TNG out of thin air.  It had to have a
predecessor -- something less complex and less capable fromw which to
evolve -- and even if it is not canonically established in TOS it is
still a plausible thing to claim.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | <insert snappy quote here>
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From: marcb@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:09:23 GMT

From article <1992Aug31.044134.8882@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, by melvin@alien.enet.dec.com:
> 
> In article <8172@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson) writes...
>> 
>>BEYOND warp 10 would imply time travel.  You would have to get there 
>>even FASTER -- meaing you get to point B BEFORE you leave point A.
>> 
> 
> What about the travel through the worm hole, by Geordi and Data?  What was the
> speed there (distance/time)?
> What about Q when he took the Enterprise to its first meeting with the Borg 
> ship?
> What about Barclay taking the Enterprise 30,000 light years in a small amount
> of time?
> What about The Traveler taking the Enterprise where "NO one has gone before"?
> 
> The numbers you gave would fit WARP technology, but given other techniques,
> those numbers might not be applicable.
> 
> -Joe

It could also just simply be that the Enterprise passed through sub-sub-space,
where the maximum speed there is greater than that in normal sub-space.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: guts in star trek
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:17:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Keywords: Unified field theories

In article <1992Aug27.144205.11087@novell.com> rhudson@novell.com (Ron Hudson)
writes:
>Was Einstine actually identified in that scene, I think Barkclay called
>him "proffessor"... :)

He was identified by LaForge as he and Barclay were walking away from
the holodeck.
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Holodeck Tech
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.150229.11544@novell.com>, rhudson@novell.com (Ron Hudson) writes:
|> Perhaps the "meat puppet" Moriarty could be carried out of the Holo-
|> deck and could sit on the bridge if desired, but there was no Life
|> there, only a material object propelled by tractor beams. IMHO

  "Meat puppet" ... that's *perfect*! Ha, ha, ha!

|> Ron Hudson

-- Tim
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:25:32 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

karty@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Student Extraordinaire) writes:
>I dont know the episode name, but the NOMAD probe increased engine efficiency 
>and made the E go warp 14.

Geez, doesn't ANYBODY read the FAQs?

Last time, folks:  Thou shalt not directly compare Trek Classic warp
factors and New Trek warp factors.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | I was a rutabaga in a former life.
From: rhudson@novell.com (Ron Hudson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: communicators
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:34:22 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

On military vessels anyway... there is only one 'captain' as the office
of captian, others holding the rank of captain are temporarily promoted to 
comodore or some such.. so the computer could always guess Picard when 
someone said 'ensign x to captain(click) Picard' -- (click) the computer knows
who to send it to..


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: karty@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Student Extraordinaire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Summary: there was a time when E went >warp 10
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:53:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I dont know the episode name, but the NOMAD probe increased engine efficiency 
and made the E go warp 14. something.  Kirk destroyed it by making it contradict
itself.
--
kartyja2@ballad.cc.purdue.edu or karty@bank.ecn.purdue.edu.  
Jon Karty: Student Extraordinaire in MSE, DJ, MUDder, and all around nice guy.
"So, the Japanese built the Great Wall of China to keep the Russians out in
WWII." <--- Student in a H.S. GVMT class.    ****Bush Quayle in 92****
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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: A theory on whizzing stars...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.141853.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
>> 	The light flash could be due to a phenomenon similar to a sonic boom,
>> 	only this time instead of a sonic explosion, we have a photonic one
>> 	as the starship crosses the light speed barrier.
>
>How come you NEVER see the flash DURING the show, only in the beginning?

	Probably because they don't show footage from the same viewpoint
	at any other time.  Otherwise, in inconsistency on their part?


>> 	it may be possible that the starship would see a point of no light
>> 	directly aft, since the light is trying to chase the ships direction
>> 	of travel.
>> 
>> 
>
>So how come you see the same streaks of light going AWAY from the
>big E (on the rare occasion when they display the aft view)?


	To a point, you do see the light streaking away from the
	ship, this is because these streaks of light originate from
	locations not parallel with the vessels length of travel.
	Thus, the Enterprise intersects with a different portion
	of the Space-Time cone, to be more relativistic, and sees
	starlight from that perspective.

	      star
	    *
	     \ \
	      \   \
	       \     \
	        \       \	
	         \          \
	          \             \
	           \                 \
					  \
	            =O                     =O

	          Enterprise sees           Enterprise sees
		star at star-time t=x       star at star-time t=x-n

	Thus, since the Enterprise is outrunning the light waves,
	it encounters earlier and earlier photons, thus observing
	the star radiating backward in time.  Of course, the effect is
	streaked by the warp field flux, so there is not much to see.
	However, I do agree that if you look DIRECTLY aft, you 
	would only see darkness, however, this could be an extremely
	small point in space.  Anything else non-parallel to the ship
	will be seen, as long as there are photons ahead of the Enterprise
	for it to collide with.

	Hey, that just gave me an idea.  Perhaps, since the Enterprise
	is colliding with photons from the same source, only from
	different space time cones, then THIS could cause the streaking
	effect.  This could be because you are passing through so many 
	time cones and they impinge all along the ship!  This could be
	an alternate theory.  How about that?



	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   	Han:  "I knew you were going to say
	_/     _/  _/       _/     _/          that, old fool."
	_/     _/  _/       _/              
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/            
	_/   _/    _/       _/          Ben:  "Who's more foolish, the fool
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/          or the fool who follows him?"
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/      
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: guts in star trek
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:59:05 GMT

tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu  writes:
 rhudson@novell.com  writes:
 > 
 > 
 > oops deleted too much
 >.........  Which is also why I found it inappropriate for Barclay to want
 >to talk to him about it........
> 
> Was Einstine actually identified in that scene, I think Barkclay called
> him "proffessor"... :)

Oops!  Goofed.  Anyhow, yes, after Geordi and Barclay left the holodeck,
Geordi mentioned Einstein's name.

-- 
|Jeffrey S. Jo                  |	       U.S.S. Enterprise              |
|Computer Operations		| Galaxy Class - Starfleet Registry NCC-1701-D|
|University of Nebraska at Omaha|        Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards, Mars    |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu        |             Launched Stardate 40759.5       |
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From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: A theory on whizzing stars...
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.014947.17747@u.washington.edu>, mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
>>
>>So how come you see the same streaks of light going AWAY from the
>>big E (on the rare occasion when they display the aft view)?
> 
> 
> 	To a point, you do see the light streaking away from the
> 	ship, this is because these streaks of light originate from
> 	locations not parallel with the vessels length of travel.
> 	Thus, the Enterprise intersects with a different portion
> 	of the Space-Time cone, to be more relativistic, and sees
> 	starlight from that perspective.
> 
> 	      star
> 	    *
> 	     \ \
> 	      \   \
> 	       \     \
> 	        \       \	
> 	         \          \
> 	          \             \
> 	           \                 \
> 					  \
> 	            =O                     =O
> 
> 	          Enterprise sees           Enterprise sees
> 		star at star-time t=x       star at star-time t=x-n
> 
> 	Thus, since the Enterprise is outrunning the light waves,
> 	it encounters earlier and earlier photons, thus observing
> 	the star radiating backward in time.  Of course, the effect is
> 	streaked by the warp field flux, so there is not much to see.
> 	However, I do agree that if you look DIRECTLY aft, you 
> 	would only see darkness, however, this could be an extremely
> 	small point in space.  Anything else non-parallel to the ship
> 	will be seen, as long as there are photons ahead of the Enterprise
> 	for it to collide with.
> 
> 	Hey, that just gave me an idea.  Perhaps, since the Enterprise
> 	is colliding with photons from the same source, only from
> 	different space time cones, then THIS could cause the streaking
> 	effect.  This could be because you are passing through so many 
> 	time cones and they impinge all along the ship!  This could be
> 	an alternate theory.  How about that?
> 

It is my (albiet poor) understanding of SR is that these photons from the
past, which you are looking at will slowly begin to appear from the sides
then from the front.  In other words, your field of vision starts to close
in around you (as you approach c, my brain can't handle warp drive ;-)
until you only see in front.  So what you are doing is running into these
older photons in front of you and nothing from behind can be seen.  At one
time I mentioned the Einstein thought experiment about the trolley car as
it approached c.  This is the basis of my comments.

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From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: WHERE IS THE FAQ???
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 19:34:25 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

EXCUSE THE CAPS, THIS COMPUTER IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.  WHERE IS THE FAQ?
I'M SUBSCRIBED ON R.A.S.C, M, AND T AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.  PLEASE
E-MAIL ME WITH YOUR RESPONSE.
BILL
From: murphy@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: communicators
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:14:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Aug27.143422.10880@novell.com> rhudson@novell.com (Ron Hudson) writes:
>On military vessels anyway... there is only one 'captain' as the office
>of captian, others holding the rank of captain are temporarily promoted to 
>comodore or some such.. so the computer could always guess Picard when 

That may be true, however, in the recent book Probe, Spock and Kirk are both of
Captain rank.  While Kirk and the rest of the Bridge crew refer to Spock as 
"Mr. Spock", I recall a portion where Spock was called Captain Spock.  It may
have been by ambassador Riley or the Romulan Haran.  


Bill Murphy               | The Call of the Norwegian Whipperwil:
			  | "I tink so, I tink so, probably."
murphy@physics.purdue.edu | "I dunno, I dunno, who can tell."
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Beyond Infinity
Date: 3 Sep 1992 02:52:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

Just saw again the TNG episode "When The Bough Breaks" where the
Aldayans (sp?) in a matter of seconds sent the Enterprise a distance
it would normally take the E three days to travel at warp nine.
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