From: jamull@ward.che.utexas.edu (Tony Mullins)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:29:09 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Department of Chemical Engineering

In article <21418@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1171@shrike.com> tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis) writes:
>>In article <21408@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>>It is very unlikely that what you are saying is true.
>> ...
>>>Instead, we are stuck with the likes of you making up stories.
>>
>>They aren't made up -- take it from someone who was on the defense lines
>>in Houston last week (me).
>
>I would encourage you to actually read a newspaper.  The least story
>of violence, whether caused by "good" guys or "bad" guys", makes the
>paper.  The only exceptions to this rule is where the act is so
>common-place that it has long since ceased to be newsworthy.  Abortion
>protests are still rare enough that protests and parades still make
>the news.  If there was violence there, it would have been reported.
>
>``Defense lines''?  Please, spare me the rhetoric.  Being on the defense
>lines would be defending the children that are killed in the clinics.
>Have you ever seen a 12 week old child?  You see, they look just like a
>child that's been born.  They have fingers, toes, arms, legs, a brain that
>has been working for weeks.  And if you watch the kid flop about on
>ultrasound, you can see a shimmering spot that shows the heartbeat.  If
>you were watching through a scope, you'd see the child making faces, or
>perhaps taking a nap and holding its umbilical cord like a security
>blanket.  This is what you are ``Defending'' [sic] the murder of.  I do
>hope that you rot in Hell.
>-- 
>John F. Haugh II                   | "The US Government has the Midas Muffler
>Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |  touch: everything they touch turns to
>UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  shit."
>Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |                  -- Jay Maynard

I've finally had enough of your bull**** to respond in public to these
posts.  I was going to respond to the earlier post in which you called
Tom Davis a liar for making up stories, but held my tongue.  This is
only one example of many in which I have seen you defend your
arguments by slandering those with whom you disagree.  The defenders
in this case are defending the clinic's right, perfectly legal at this
time in the U.S., to provide abortions, not defending the so-called
rights of the unborn to which you refer.  You knew this as well as I
did in this case.  You have twisted the words to fit your twisted
definitions.

Further, your comparisons to born children are invalid.  The vast
majority of abortions in this country are performed in the 1st
trimester when none of your comparisons come even close.  If you wish
to argue about the availability of abortions in this country then do
so on the facts and not by conjuring visions which are not true.
Besides, this gentleman was merely stating what is widely known, the
anti-abortion/pro-life zealots in this country are resorting to
violence and illegal acts rather than utilizing the perfectly
acceptable means provided through the political process to have the
law changed.  Beware the true believers!!  Zealots of all sorts are to
be avoided.  And lest you think I am a zealot from the other side, I
have never participated in any defense of a clinic of any sort.  I
really am uninterested in the issue except that I think the government
has much more important issues with which to concern itself at this
time.  The Constitution does not address this issue at all; ergo, it
is rightly an issue delegated to the states.  The federal government
should not be involved in this issue at all and that goes for the
Supreme Court that decided Roe v. Wade, too.  I think the same of
zealots of any kind:  dogged environmentalists, anarchists, white
supremacists, etc.  They are generally misguided and a threat to all.

For you to call anyone a liar in public when you have no first-hand
evidence of such is unconscionable.  I hope you rot in Hell for
casting the first stone.  Now, crawl back into your hole and give your
employer an honest day's work instead of responding in a knee-jerk to
every post on Usenet with which you disagree.  You consume more
bandwidth than is warranted by the quality of your posts and value of
your opinions.


-- 
Tony Mullins (jamull@che.utexas.edu)
Dept. of Chemical Engineering, CPE 5.438
University of Texas - Austin
Austin, TX  78712-1062
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