From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re (was maindki ko zukam) (is: i have no clue)
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:39:49 GMT
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From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pathanay Khan.....piyar aur iishq......

Naveed Siraj Memon writes:
>|> Naveed[jis dil vich pyar dee dayray hin
>|>        bas us dil kooN irfaan samajh
>|>        jay kooN pyar dee jaaN sunJan naheeN
>|>        os banday kooN nadaan sumjh  
>|>        aye pyar ay dars waliyaaN da
>|>        aye maslak paak nabeeyan da
>|>        inmool pyar dee doolat aye] Memon


	>Just reading it makes the memories of Pathanay Khan crooning these
	>immortal lines echo in my head........an analysis of your recent
	>postings suggest that you are listening to the EMI [blue coloured :-)]
	>collection of Pathanay Khan which I played and re-played to extinction...

I have not listened to it recently and the fact that I still could recall thse
lines speaks for my perpetual madness :)  You got the description of the 
cassette right :)  You know, I have the second volume as well and despite the 
that I can never get over the first one.

	>......how I envy you for having the pleasure of basking in the
	>histrionic splendour of Pathanay Khan while I have to sit through
	>drab discourses of Prof. Solow........he may have won the Nobel
	>Prize but what does he know of iishq.......it is where the Solow model
	>fails that the models of iishq begin.........

Madness and chaos is essential for iishq, and if Solow wants stable systems(
btw I am not familiar with his work) then iishq is out of the question. The
iishq in the kafis reinforce the Faith and the Search does not seem to be
an obligation.  
  
	>Do please post the rest of this great Kafi.
	>The Universality of this message is eternal.......untill there are
	>people who can appreciate this message, there is hope.

	I will post it in the near future.

	>But why then does Amir Khusro (and I am assuming this is by Khusro)
	>say:

	>jo saajan meiN jaanti kay preet keeaye dukh hoay
	>nagar dhandora peeT-tee kay preet na kareeoo koay

	>?

        He does regret the Search. He admits his pain, and warns  
        those who are not strong willed to stand the  pain the come the
        way of the aashiqs. But what I see is that he has surrendered(sp)
        his will already and is savouring the Pain. Shah often talks
        of this pain as the mark of true lovers. And what occured to me
        just now is the way Khusro and Shah both use the feminine perspective
        as far as Search goes. That is, the woman is searching for the lost
        love, and interestingly the women ends up sacrificing her life in 
        end so as to save her honour and be with the Eternal love. 
        [note the jaanti. It's gender that is]



        Take Sohni Mahival(mayhar) for example.

        Kachay ghaRay nay jeet lee nadee charhee hoyee
        mazboot kashteeton ko kinara naheeN mila.

        Is that beautiful or what?  Yes I have the 83 EMI release by A Parveen.
        Well I had it in 83 and have not listened to it eversince. 

        Anyway it is interesting that SoHni initiates her Final Search while
        Mahival takes the lead from her and proceeds to the river soon after
        Sohni is swallowed by the River. The River is Iishq, Adil. What do you
        think :)


        Take Sassi for example. A Woman alone going from Bhambore to Kech
        searching for PunnoN. That could measure to miles on foot, and no
        wonder this walk towards Kech has been immortalized(sp) by desi fol
        k poetry. PunhooN upon learning for her sacrificial suicide prays
        to God and is buried at the some spot where she had plunged to her
        death.


        The male in Omar-Maui, Omar that is, is frowned upon for his 
        behaviour towards Marui.

        In Noori-Jam Tamachi, it's is again the woman who is an example of
        basic life's simplicity and beauty, the Jam is appreciative of the
        simplicity of her attire and is only moved by it.


        While the women on scp are defending their basic rights to freedom
        to choose their ways, historically it has been the women in our
        parts of the world that have shown us the right way to Love and 
        Recognition of Oneness that is inspired and reinforced by Faith, while
        the Men have either learned from them or have chosen to put her in 
	chains and kept her soul in prison. Naveed, do you think there should
        be a wink associated with that statement? Will they get it? 


      

	>ADIL [.....ghoom chaRkhaRa goom
	      	   >tairee kattan waali jeevay......] NAJAM


        See my point, the woman is sensitive and patient enough to work
        on the charkhaa, and I wonder if the woman is being seen as the
        manifestation of the eternal Love. Comments?  This has just occured
        to me, so I don't know if I am right about the verse in your
        signature. I have been in the past.


        Anyway Adil you can get me going like the energizer bunny :)
  

        Naveed[alif asaN kooN yar paRhaya 
               bay dee baas na BooN]Memon


        PS alif referes to alif of Allah, that implies Oneness.
           bay ofcourse implies Duality. baas,boo = smell.                
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