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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB)
Subject: Handball
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:11:45 GMT

Time to write a little about the handball olympic tournament, which is in contrary to the basketball tournament very much alive (my opinion - sorry all americans but watching the "Dream Team" killing their opponents are not exciting). It contains a number of team that all can take the gold; EUN, Spain, Sweden, Romania, Germany etc.

Yesterday I saw Sweden defeating the Czechs 20-14. After a very reluctant first period they showed some hints in the second the handball that made them world champions. Also the Russians looked very strong.

The Romanians had serious problems with Egypt but finally they managed to win. Spain lost very surprisingly against France - maybe the pressure on them is too big?

Does anyone have all the results from the first round? If so please post them. The handball tournament seems to be one of the Olympics best - the best teams with the best players and nothing is given.



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From: oakes@clear15.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: Re: Music Used on NBC
Reply-To: oakes@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.042820.26008@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
|> 
|> Was I dreaming, or was NBC using that wonderful music that ABC used on
|> its Olympic coverage?  It sounds something like:
|> 
|> Dahhhh-dahhhhh-da-da-da-da-dah,
|> dah-di-dun-dun-dun-da-da-da-dah-da-da-da...
|> 
|> I thought that ABC owned that music, because I hadn't heard it during
|> the NBC coverage of the Seoul Olympics or the CBS coverage of the
|> Albertville Games.  Is it music owned by the Int'l Olympic Committee,
|> or is it some piece of music that ABC simply appropriated for its
|> Olympic coverage?

The piece of music is "Bugler's Dream," and I suspect that it is old enough to 
be in the public domain.  NBC appears to have a different orchestration than
the one heard on ABC.  This also repeats the fanfare part before entering the
other section (I am not sure what the musical term for it is).

My guess is that since ABC did not have any presence covering the Olympics, NBC
decided that they could use "Bugler's Dream," sparingly.  Durring the full day
of coverage on Sunday, they only used it about 1/3 as often as the theme used
in 1988 that John Williams composed.

Ronald B. Oakes
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From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Re: Free Triplecast
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:32:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

JI.RCB@isumvs.iastate.edu (Robert Bergmann) writes:

>From what I can gather, everybody in the U.S. with cable got a couple
>of free triplecast hours.  Judging from your reaction, it must of been
>effective advertising.  I doubt you would have gotten this if NBC
>wasn't losing their shirt on the deal.  Estimates are that the
>triplecast was only sold to about 2.5% of the homes necessary to make
>the venture profitable.

Well, if these moronic NBC programmers would listen to what people want to
see, they might have been more successfull.  For example if they had decided
to carry more than just the final 2 soccer games, I for one would have 
signed up.  As it is, with endless hours of swimming and wrestling I am
really not interested.  Give me soccer, team handball and cycling..

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From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Swimming question
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:27:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <jaimiep.711879383@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au> jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson) writes:
>In Australia, we here a lot about one of our swimmers, and how he has a great
>chance at getting gold medals. His name is Kierin Perkins (sp?). What are
>people's opinions about him and other swimmers?
>Jaimie
>.
>
Kierin Perkins is a fantastic swimmer.  Those who know swimming
know that it is very difficult to be good at the 200, 400, and
1500 f/s (at least good enough to be considered a medal threat in
all 3).  This is similar to being a medal threat in te 400, 1500,
and 10,000 in track.

Shane Esau


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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: updated event times?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.201854.5628@rice.edu>, rachele@rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
|> 
|> Clari.sports.olympic posted another list of the event times.  By all 
|> appearances, it looks the same, but I s`pose if you went through it
|> with a fine tooth comb, you would find some changes.  At any rate, if
|> anyone want the latest list, email me and I will send it to you.  
|> Since it is so long (900+ lines) I would prefer not to post it, but
|> if my emailbox gets flooded, maybe I will change my mind.  ;)

Clarinet is copyrighted. If their copyrights get violated too much, the
service will stop and I will be without electronic news (of the acurate
variety). Please don't post their stuff, lest somebody who depends on
their information tell them about it.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Doping rumor
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 12:55:07 GMT

gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:

>My main question about stories like this is:
>If he actually saw the athlete take steroids, why did he not report it 
>immediately?? Why does he not name names?? 

Johnny Gray actually stated that the athlete taking steroids was somebody
who won a gold medal in Seoul 1988. Nobody knows if he's telling the truth
or just trying to attract attention to himself.

Imagine if somebody really came with a list of athletes taking steroids.
What would be the consequences to this "brave souls"? Dozens of court
cases demanding compensation for discrediting fellow athletes. It's safer
to be vague though a lot less reliable in the eyes of the public.

If anybody suggests that doping isn't a problem in international track
and field, he's either lying or blind-folded. It's not the responsibility
of a single athlete to control other athletes' steroid use. IAAF should
take harder measures to fight doping. 

In weight-lifting the international federation has already begun the enormous
task of cleaning up the sport. 

>Vague reports like this just serve to cast suspicion on everyone, and    
>give little credibility to the story teller. If someone has hard evidence,
>come forward immediately!! If you just want to spread rumors, shut up!!

Vague reports do have this tendency, but unfortunately they're all we have
right now, until the IAAF realizes that it must act tougher against athletes
guilty of doping. Court cases of "Butch" Reynolds and Katrin Krabbe&Co
clearly show the lack of credibility in IAAF's actions. 

In last year's World championships a Norwegian athlete (whose name I don't
remember) won a bronze medal in shot put and was caught before the games,
but due to the incompetence of Norwegian T&F federation he was able to
compete in Tokyo. Norway has a couple of prominent athletes in shot put
and all of them have been caught from doping at least once in their career.

I really wanted to know if someone had more information about Johnny Gray's
statement. I'm sorry if it made Bruce Gletty angry.

About blood tests: Doping tests have been taken from the blood at least
in 1989 Cross-country skiing World championships. The tests were not
official and the results were not published. The tests taken were able
to detect 'blood doping' (too many red cells in your blood). 

Janne Kivela"
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: Medal Counts
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.140758.17579@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:

>Seriously, I think the whole idea of a medal count (by country) is
>rather stupid.  Does how your native land somehow reflect on us (this
>is called "basking in reflected glory" (BIRG))?  I thought the whole

I personally do not care either way if we have medal counts... when I
stated that it was an "Excellent Idea", I meant that I thought it
would be good to include in our posting of results.  I've also heard
via email from several people who agree.  While the medal counts do
place great emphasis on the rivalries between nations, etc,
individuals *are* representatives of their respective nations.  It's
understandable to want to compare results by nations.  Also, in many
cases, it is the nation who supports the individual's training (such
as the former Soviet Union).

Rachele
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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: A modest proposal
Keywords: olympics atlanta NBC
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:19:46 GMT

I've survived some hellish TV sports coverage in my life, but this 
takes the cake. Costas has settled down, indeed, but I didn't see the 
opening ceremonies (I was at a concert in Denver) so I didn't see him then.

My proposal is simple:
When the Olympics come to Atlanta in 1996, I propose that instead of granting
only one US network exclusive rights to the games we grant all 3 the rights.
We could divide the coverage between the networks, e.g. NBC covers track,
CBS covers gymnastics, and ABC covers swimming, and so on all the way 
down through roller hockey. Each network would then be responsible for covering
each area, providing as much coverage as possible. What they can't do 
goes to Turner and/or ESPN. 

	Another possibility is giving all 3 the exact same programming and
forcing them to provide more for the buck, in effect, COMPETITION. 

I doubt that the coporate asses in New York would go for it, though.
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From: franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc)
Subject: Re: Summer Olympics trivia quiz #2
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.170541.9355@mksol.dseg.ti.com> roderick@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Brett Roderick) writes:
>
>1.  The Summer Olympic Games will be held in 1996 in the city of ________.
>
>   A. Rome, Italy   B. Los Angeles, CA   C. Tokyo, Japan   D. Atlanta, GA

should read:
  
    A. Rome, Italy   B. Los Angeles, US   C. Tokyo, Japan   D. Atlanta, US

The country in which Atlanta and LA belong is the U.S. On an interna-
tional network, this is what should be mentioned, IMHO. That reminds us that
the US were allowed to organize the Summer games twice in 12 years, when
some countries have bidded unsuccessfully for ages.

>4. The 1984 champion of soccer was France

	Francois.


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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-W's 100m Butterfly Heat 2
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:11 GMT

   Women's 100 metres butterfly
   Heat 2
 1.  Wei Ling Joscelin Yeo (Singapore)              1:03.82
 2.  Yu Fen May Ooi (Singapore)                     1:04.14
 3.  Praphalsai Minpraphal (Thailand)               1:04.28
 4.  Joana Arantes (Portugal)                       1:04.59
 5.  Blanca Morales Masella (Guatemala)             1:05.02
 6.  Nguyen Kieu Oanh (Vietnam)                     1:05.19

Rod Swift
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From: muchor@zow12.enet.dec.com (Krzys Muchorowski (Warsaw))
Subject: volleyball time-table ?
Reply-To: muchor@vax58b.desy.de
Organization: DESY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:43:46 GMT

Hi,
  Anyone's got a time table for volleyball ? What teams participate 
in Plympics ? 
    Krzys (.signature deleted)
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Where is he from ?
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:05:39 GMT

In article 4367@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, bnlee@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Beom No Lee) writes:
>Hi,
>
>   Does anybody know where that stupid official in US vs. Japan volleyball
>game come from ?  I do not think he is qualified as a referee.


He is from Aizerbaijan(sp?), a former soviet republic.  He was emminently
qualified, as the volleyball refs go thru tests and clinics and certification to
become international refs.  What he did was to mess up in a very visible and 
publicized manner.  The FIVB has already sent him packing and revoked his
certification.  I think that he made a grievious mistake, but the FIVB made it
worse by reversing the decision, which set a very bad precedent for the sport.
In the aftermath of the controversy, the FIVB decided they needed a scapegoat, 
so they canned the guy.  Oh well, it is better that one head roll than 23 of them, eh?
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From: patel-j@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (jatin a patel)
Subject: Re: fairness
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:08:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.214223.11275@m.cs.uiuc.edu> caplan@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Joshua Caplan) writes:
>Look I'm American.  I want Americans to win as many golds as they give out at
>these olympics.  I love the dream team.  I like watching swimming and
>diving.  But I can't believe how partisan NBC is being, almost to the
>point of manipulation.  When I used to watch the olympics the
>awards presentation consisted of THREE people and THREE flags.  On NBC
>(prime-time, I didn't spring for the other stupidity) if an American
>wins the gold we get his/her face COMPLETELY FILLING THE SCREEN for the
>entire anthem.  If an American doesn't win, forget the awards presentation.
>If you don't have quick eyes you won't catch the mention of other country's
>participants, medal-winners or otherwise, in the form of a wash of
>illegibly small graphics.  And the commentary (especially diving) is making
>me embarassed.  Non-Americans are belittled, Americans are aggrandized, with
>no regard to their performance in their respective sport.  Finally, wouldn't
>we rather see some games than MUSIC VIDEOS about Pablo Morales?  How about a
>glimpse of soccer?  Hey, the US beat Kuwait, why not a little of that?  How
>about field hockey, or a demonstration sport other than gymnastics?  Just
>for a few minutes.  I keep reading that the coverage is better now than in
>Seoul.  Gosh, I'm glad I didn't watch any of that.
>
>-- 
>------------------------+-------------------------------------------------
>caplan@cs.uiuc.edu	|	Joshua Caplan
>			|	Department of Computer Science
>			|	University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

  I am agree with you. Last night when they show 200m butterfly(???), it was
like watching that american girl (I cannot remember her name) practicing in the
pool. During that event camera was on her about 99% of time. And that stupid
commentator was explaing how she is getting power from her leg movement, when
they show underwater camera view. By the time they show outside camera view
Japan and China were ahead of America. It feels like dreaming about America
ahead of whole world and by the time we wake up others are ahead. Also after
the event camera was still focused on her. I didn't get the chance to see the
other two winners' faces. On the other hand they show the faces of American girl's family memebers.

...Jatin.


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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS:  Opinions on Gutsu's new all-around chance
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:03:07 GMT

In article <f_qm!!+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>This sort of thing, [killing the 3 gymnasts/nation rule]
>from what I understand, gets proposed all the time but
>gets voted down by the smaller countries, who (rightly) feel that the only 
>way that their gymnasts will have a chance to get into the finals would be
>to limit the number of entries from the top countries.
>
>r.


I am aware of why the rule has not yet been changed.  But I still feel that it
should be.  What right do the smaller countries have to have gymnasts in the
finals who are not on the level of the competitors from the strong gymnastic
nations?  Do any other sports have such a rule? (track? diving? swimming?
others?)  The gymnasts who get in this way are not even close to being in the
running for anything, whereas many of the gymnasts who are eliminated by this
rule would be.  If this is an _individual_ all-around final, the top 36
(or any other number you choose to use) _individuals_ should be competing in
it.

--Robyn
From: saugata@SPUNKY.CS.NYU.EDU (Saugata Basu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re : Proud and Angry
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:49:54 GMT
Organization: New York University

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University
Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.004703.25621@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>
>I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
>team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
>done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
>drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
>should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
>thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
>routes for the spread of aids.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky


and the name of this newsgroup remains rec.sport.olympics....

saugata.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:01:44 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1992Jul23.213041.5325@wuecl.wustl.edu> van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo) writes:
>
>Besides, what NHL team would allow their best players to take time off
>to play in the Winter Olympics.  Likewise, baseball in the Summer
>Van Vo

Any team that would find someone else pay for the player's mega premium
insurance policies plus their regular salaries, which are not average by
any means, during pre-Olympic training and Olympic schedule.

Now,if NHL could put together a DreamTeam concept by 1994 they'd be rolling
in dough. But knowing the fact that the NHL has not been run by rocket
scientists over the years,such idea would just an idea..Besides,NHL
is a subject for another group...

-Mark
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING: results - 52kg
Keywords: greco-roman wrestling, olympics, 52kg
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:29:56 GMT

Does anybody know what happened in the Bronze Medal match that Shawn Sheldon
lost 0-0 ?

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 400m Freestyle Heat 2
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:19:31 GMT

   Heat 2
 1.  Marcel Wouda (Netherlands)                     3:55.70
 2.  Alexei Koudriavtsev (CIS)                      3:57.07
 3.  Artur Costa (Portugal)                         3:58.80
 4.  Masashi Kato (Japan)                           4:00.66
 5.  Jarl Inge Melberg (Norway)                     4:03.49
 6.  Ratapong Sirisanont (Thailand)                 4:07.95
 7.  Benoit Fleurot (Mauritius)                     4:12.05
 8.  Wi Jin Kenneth Yeo (Singapore)                 4:13.45

Rod Swift
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.020833.271@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:

|> Well if as far as i remember last year figure given for superbowl viewing
|> all over the world was 700 million !  Coming back to viewership of
|> recent cricket world cup finals, the figures given by the newspapers after
|> the match(game!) was 1500 million in 30 countries, off course this cannot
|> be dead accurate, but the point is the popularity of the game,and according
|> to CNN survey cricket is among 5 most popular sports in the world.

I'd say that based on this, whoever is making up the figures is way off on both
sports. Especially with TV where there is no direct way to determine the
number of viewers, it is VERY easy to inflate figures. When you leave countries
that have regular and accurate ratings, the descrepancies are going to get
several times higher.

Jason W. Solinsky
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