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/ hpspdla:rec.equestrian / kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber) /  1:43 pm  Nov  4, 1992 /


>Does anyone out there have some advice on causes/prevention of tail
>rubbing?  Daleilah started rubbing the top (base) of her tail several
>weeks ago.  At first I couldn't find any cause.  She is wormed

Well, just a shot in the dark here, but have you cleaned her udder?
Mares frequently accumulate smegma inbetween their teets and some mares
start rubbing their tails when their udders need to be cleaned.

If not, then I'd go with something like betadine scrub or some of the
other suggestions.


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
From: juliec@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Julie Chapman)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:39:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


 Several people have written, prompting me to make the (usual, necessary)
 clarifications to my initial post: 

 1. Copper has never shown soreness to the saddle, in my opinion: his back is
    uniformly sweaty under the saddle area after a ride, and after a three or
    four hour trail ride he shows no signs of distress or soreness, just
    his usual interested, attentive self (and no tendency to rush, either).

 2. Copper is a very balanced horse: 10m counter-canter circles are no problem
    for him, as well as tiny little trot voltes (8m or less), that kind of
    thing.

 3. By "big, swinging half halts" I mean that I take the outside rein from
    light contact to strong contact, then give it back immediately (while
    keeping leg on).

 It's just that he becomes VERY sensitive to the leg after one or two canter
 departs, and then thinks any leg pressure (such as to establish a bend) means
 he should canter, or at least speed up his trot :-). This is what I mean by
 "the longer I ride him, the hotter he gets." - his leg sensitivity increases,
 and he's harder to collect/keep between my leg and hand. He gets very much
 forward of the bridle.
From: bjones@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rain Scald
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:51:35 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


Is "rain scald" the same thing as "rain rot" (in the US)?

A related question: has anyone heard the theory about rain rot being
caused by acid rain? I've always thought that it is a fungal
infection of the skin. Any comments?

Beata
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From: sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM (Shelley Frisch - Sun USOPS WSU Supplier Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:08:07 GMT
Reply-To: sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: panache.east.sun.com

I am looking for some input, advice regarding shoeing.

Yesterday I went to the barn to ride and found that 
Billy had half pulled a shoe.  My ferrier had just 
been there one week to the day prior.  I also noticed
that the nails were not flush to the shoe and was told
that they would work their way in and that there
was about an 1/8 of an inch of shoe overlapping his hoof.

The person that I board from said that the ferrier told her
that Billy's feet fit shoes right out of the box.

The ferrier called me last night and told me that Billy 
probably just overreached and stepped on the shoe to pull
it loose when he was goofing around in the paddock and would
come over to fix it for no charge.

My questions are, is any of the above normal or abnormal?
Should I start looking for a new ferrier?

I am again just learning so I need advice from people who
have been doing this for some time.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Shelley and Billy Dee Go
From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: To shoe or not to?
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center

What is the consensus on shoeing?  

I am currently leasing a 15.3" 17 yr old QH.  I ride english and do alot of
trail riding in grassy meadows, corn fields and through woods.  Occasionally,
we ride on concrete or asphalt to get between the areas above.  My friend who
owns the horse doesn't shoe her horses unless she starts to see problems or
anticipates problems.  Her horses have the luxury of and open stable and
pasture all the time (except when it is very cold or very hot will she keep
them in).  She has 12' box stalls with rubber padding.  The areas I ride have
very few rocks.  I have been riding this horse about 3 times a week since June
and other than a few minor chips to the edge of the hoofs, I haven't noticed
any other effects. My friend also checks regularly too.

I am new to equine care and have only been riding a few years so I am a novice
to equine health.  All the horse I have ever riden have had shoes.  I am
starting fox hunting (a few jumps) and the last hunt I was on the rider in
front of me lost 2 shoes and another rider had to drop out because of a loose
shoe.

Is shoeing a personal preference?   Obviously, at some point it is a necessity?
 I guess it might be like walking bearfoot - at the beginning of the summer you
feel like you are walking on glass (tenderfoot) and by the end of the summer
your feet have toughened up and you can walk normally.  Is this true for
horses?  When we do hit some stones he walks/trots right through them without
loosing a stride.

Please set me straight.  What are the guidelines for shoeing (when do you need
them)? 

I appreciate your advice.

Thanks,

Karen Roop
(new to this group - great info, I'm learning alot)
From: jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: "Rain Scald"?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:59:33 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <92311.26445.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Yesterday when I went out to check on my colt, I found what looked to
>me like a spot on his back where he had rolled in wet manure and had
>dried hard on his hair.  My trainer happened to be there and said she
>thought it looked like "rain scald" (I think that's what she said) and
                         ^^^^^^^^^^
our horses used to get this in Indiana.  Some people told us it was
a bacteria, others that it was a fungus and *all* supposedly knew
what they were talking about. :).  Found out why recently.  A recent
horse magazine (I think it was Equus - this month?) has a good article
on it.  They claim it is both a fungus *and* a bacteria.

>that I should not try to curry the dirt off as it will probably take
>the hair and be painful.

True.  It *can* get sensitive.  Another thing to watch is that it
can be *very* contagious.  Make sure you use separate grooming tools
for each horse and keep them clean.  Curry combs and the like are
supposedly a major culprit in spreading the infection to other horses.

> She suggested soaking with water and gradually
>trying to careful remove the tried "stuff" possibly over a few days
>while keeping it lubicated with nitrosfurazone (sp). Then possibly
>shaving the area and using the NF until healed and hair grows back.

We used an iodine wash on just the affected areas.  That seemed to
help.  Rain Scald almost *always* occurs in inclimate weather, so
we were reluctant to wet them, too.  We did soak the area with the
iodine, but didn't use a lot of water and tried to keep the iodine
confined to the immediate (affected) area.  Didn't leave them
real wet and did seem to help.
>Since he is in pasture and we are about to get rain, I hate to leave
>himwith a soaking wet back everyday, but...
>
>He was very antsy when we went to inspect it and it took a few minutes
>for him to accept the wet spong so now I'm pretty sure it's not just
>dried manure.
>
>Can anyone further enlighten me on this? He did not have this after
>the last time I groomed him and it has not rained since.
>
>Thanks for any advise.
>
>Diane
>
>
You're welcome.

-jennifer

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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Update on sick horse
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:31:09 GMT
Keywords: sick horse

In article <walkepl.7.721511766@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu>,
walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker) writes:
> Thank you to everyone who posted notes to give me encouragement about
> Blazer, my 22 yr. old horse with the nosebleed.  On Tuesday when the vet 
> re-endoscoped him, she found a hematoma on his "ethmoid turbinates."  We 
> placed him on an antihistimine to try to reduce any irritation to the area. 
> Because the vet has not seen a case like Blazer's, they have requested that 
> we bring him to the vet school so they can take some pictures of the 
> hematoma, x-ray his head, and run some tests---all free of charge to me.  I 
> am taking him to the vet school Friday morning and will post the results 
> of the tests as soon as I have them.
> 
  I'm glad you posted an update, as I wanted to respond but
  didn't have your original article.  
  
  We have a horse at our barn who started bleeding from the nose and 
  was diagnosed with an ethemoid hematoma.  Evidentally, it is a 
  difficult surgery.  This particular horse is a thorobred hunter who
  has been shown at A shows in Palm Beach and Tampa (margie Goldstein 
  has ridden her) and who is much loved by her affluent owners.  
  They sent her up to Maryland (I think) for the surgery (we
  are in So. Florida).   

  The mare's owner and the owner of the barn flew up North for the 
  surgery.  Fortunately, Risky is back in Florida and recuperating.

  Please let us know what they say at the vet school.


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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: tail rubbing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:45:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.214310.28494@cbnews.cb.att.com>, kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber) writes:
> Does anyone out there have some advice on causes/prevention of tail
> rubbing? 
> ...
> Kathy Wilber and Daleilah
> att!mvp03!kw

In article <1d9lfhINN42o@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> Is there any flaking down at the roots of the hair, like horsey
> dandruff?
> ...
> =gwyn

No flakes - the only visible sign is the rough skin on the underside of
the tail.

In article <1992Nov5.063000.5421@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
> You need something more than the witchhazel on her tail.  Try getting some
> betadineolution and wiping the underside down with that.  Sounds like she
> either has some paracites or some fungal infection.  It might be the same
> thing we've had here with Amy's gelding.  Amy used some Shakley stuff that
> worked just great and cleared Beau's rash and Quality's rain rot up right
> away.
> 
> Sue

I have some betadine on hand - I'll give that a try.

Kathy Wilber and Daleilah
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Please let us know where you live
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:44:33 GMT


Many people who post articles asking questions or telling all about
their wonderful (or tragic) horse adventures leave out a crucial piece
of information -   LOCATION.

Perhaps you think you are posting to a computer bulletin board that's
just at your local college or company.  THIS IS NOT TRUE.  Horse folks
throughout the Entire World are reading rec.equestrian, and would like
to help you, or share experiences.  We can do this better if we know
where you are, that is your PHYSICAL location.  Are you in New Jersey,
New Mexico, New Brunswick, or New South Wales?  South Devon, or South
Africa?  It only makes sense - my ideas for keeping horses through the
winter here in central Massachusetts may be rather inappropriate for
someone in Alaska or Alabama.  If you ask who knows of a good blacksmith
"around here" we really need to know where "here" is!

Try to include your network mailing address in your posting, because
not everyone's newsreader program gets the addresses right, either
when reading or when posting.  THIS ESPECIALLY APPLIES TO YOU FOLKS IN
AT&T and other "telephone" companies - WE OFTEN CANNOT MAIL TO YOUR
"From:" ADDRESSES.  Put your network address in your text or in your
signature.

Additionally, if you need emergency information, and put your phone
number in your article, there is a chance someone who can help you
will call, possibly getting to you sooner than computer mail can.
There are a few of us who are not totally impoverished by our horses,
and can afford a long distance call or three, once in a while, to help
an unknown friend.

In general, do not restrict your postings (via the "Distribution:"
line to any region.  If your newsreader thinks "na" (North America) or
some such is appropriate, it is wrong; override it.  Horses are horses
worldwide.  The folks in Australia, New Zealand, England and elsewhere
like to know what's happening in the US, and vice-versa.
-- 
    "The Steinway piano people have asked me to announce that the
piano I am playing tonight is a Baldwin."  --Victor Borge
  >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<   (Quote changed daily.
If you've seen this one before, you are reading too many newsgroups.)
From: dlambert@eng.auburn.edu (Dave Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Just bought first horse
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.dlambert.921112143707
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

I've been a lurker here on rec.equestrian for quite a while
and since everyone seems to be such nice and open people,
I thought I would just share the fact that I just bought
my first horse.  Sam is a 14 yr. old TB (15.2 hh) gelding and I'm
about as happy as can be.  I've been riding other people's
horses now for almost 2 years and now I have my own.  I
hope to learn a lot from Sam...

Thanks for letting me yell a little...

Dave
& Sam
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leg wraps/rub downs/hosing...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:32:42 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov6.154048.11017@uoft02.utoledo.edu>,
lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>I use front splint/ankle boots.  Seems like when I use bell boots, the backs of
>the horse's pasterns get rubbed raw.  Anyone else have this problem?  I just
>quit using them because of this.
>
>

You can get nifty sheepskin-lined ones that don't rub.  Most often,
though, the problem is that they're just the wrong size, or that
dirt has gotten lodged between the bell and the skin (hard to
prevent in rings with fine footing, like sand).

=gwyn
From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:38:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>/ hpcss01:rec.equestrian / regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) /  4:21 pm  Nov 10, 1992 /
>In article <1dr447INNh8r@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>I am looking for some input, advice regarding shoeing.
>>The ferrier called me last night and told me that Billy 
>>probably just overreached and stepped on the shoe to pull
>>My questions are, is any of the above normal or abnormal?
>
>
>Normal.
>
>Happens about every two years to me, whether I need it or not.
>
>Adrienne Regard
>----------

You're lucky.  If I don't trim the tails on the front shoes and roll the
toes on the hind most every horse I have will tear off a front shoe at
the drop of a hat.  Usually when the horse rolls up underneath itself
to stop or comes around quickly at speed.  It's not inconceivable that
it could happen just farkeling around in a stall.

Terry
From: betty@mothra.rose.hp.com (Betty Harker)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 15:51:19 GMT
Subject: Re: RE: Western Pleasure (Four-beat canter)
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I show western pleasure at AQHA shows.  The western equivalent to the canter is
the lope.  It is a slow collected gait.  It is not, however, a four beat gait.
A horse that four beats is HEAVILY!!! penalized.  

The western equivalent to the trot is the jog.  It is again slower than a 
trot but the rear legs are not walking.  A horse that walks behind is not
jogging and will be severely penalized.  If anyone is interested, I can post
a description of what the AQHA wants in the western pleasure gaits. 

Betty Harker
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: ANOTHER Blanket Question
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:48:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Here's another! blanket question.....


I bought my horse Kai a new heavy duty winter blanket. It
is a Big D brand blanket (size 80).  I tried it on him and
it fit him in the front (it's a closed front) but his
butt could have been 3 times the size to fill out the
back (I should be so lucky when I buy myself jeans!). 
Are Big D blankets typically meant for Quarter Horses or
do they just run alittle big?  Is it worth trying a 76"
or 78" ?  I've never had any trouble in buying him~r
blankets before; I just order a 78" or 80" a I can
be pretty sure it will fit. Anyone know anythng about
the Big D blankets I don't? 
Thanks,
Sonja
From: walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker)
Subject: sick horse
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:48:06 GMT

I guess the subject line speaks for itself.  I have a sick horse.  
Background:  Blazer is a 22 yo quarter/saddlebred cross that has had a 
nosebleed for several weeks now.  We have him tested and endoscoped to no
avail.  Everything turns up normal.  The blood, in small, but nevertheless,
frightening amounts are coming out of his right nostril.  On the advice
of several vets we are adding loose salts in his feed and have given him
an antihistimine shot to help in the event of allergies due to dry 
weather.  We are having him re-endoscoped Tuesday along with head x-rays
to determine if he has a tumor or is having a problem with a tooth.  I do 
not think it is a tooth problem because he is eating fine and is happy and 
seemingly pain free--even with crunchy things like carrots and apples.

Any constructive advice is welcome.  Keep your fingers crossed for the tests
on Tuesday 11/10.

Thanks!

Paula and                              internet: walkepl@auducadm.auburn.edu
Warrior-black Standardbred gelding
Blazer-sorrel Quarter/Saddlebred gelding <== the sick one
From: juliec@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Julie Chapman)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:49:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


THANK YOU everyone for the great suggestions, thoughts, and email! Some 
comments in response to questions raised here (I've jumbled everybody's
stuff together, sorry :-):

> What do you do when he speeds up as you ask for a bend?  It is OK to

I make the outside rein fairly firm, put outside leg on, wrap him around the
inside leg and hand - he's fine with this, he doesn't try to speed up.
As far as other exercise: he's turned out all day with a bunch of geldings,
and they play king of the hill and run around like crazy when the mare pasture
gets stirred up, that kind of thing. No doubt more riding would be WONDERFUL
for us both, but California mortgages require that I work 2 jobs, so...

> I wonder from your description if you aren't UNDERriding with your
> hand!  You don't want to hang on so tight you get into a pulling
> match with him, but you should keep the contact in your half-halt 
> until you get a response -- THEN give.  If you are dropping the
> intensity of the contact immediately, he may not understand/may

Possibly, but I doubt it. It may be that when he's charging around in his
forward canter that "take and give", even though strongly, with the outside
rein may not be best - perhaps "take and hold" would be better.

> What happens if you spend your whole ride on a long (not loose)
> rein?  What's your warmup routine like?  What happens if you go
> back to warmup exercises after cantering?a

Warmup: free walk long rein, free trot long rein, loose posting on working
trot, gradually increasing degree of collection.

> 1. What are your aids for the canter depart?
Inside leg at girth (medium), outside leg back (lightly).

> 2. What level is the horse, again? (you mention 1st level, but you also
>    use words like "collect" and "round" which could mean
>    you're trying to put him in a frame too early, and put him in a
>    frame from front to back. He could resent his neck being squashed
>    up.)
He's a 3rd level horse; at home we school 2nd and 3rd level movements. I've
just begun showing in dressage, so am starting at 1st level.

> 3. Loose rein work is no problem (ie he doesn't get strong
>    w/o support) as long as you haven't done any work in a
>    frame yet, right? Or was it only after cantering in a
>    frame?

Loose rein work always fine...don't know about after a canter. I'll have to
try loose rein at the canter when he's being fresh.

> 4. What are your aids for a lateral movement...(pick one,
>    any one)?

Haunches in: inside leg at the girth very lightly, outside leg back more
strongly, outside rein supporting outside shoulder, inside rein soft and
asking for bend.

> 5. How do you react when he canters when you're asking for
>    something else?

Bring him back to what I was asking for. I don't often need to do this.
    

> perfecting the horse in piaffe between the pillars *before* he
> *ever* cantered! Interesting, huh?

Good Lord! whatta concept!

Julie