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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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> I don't disagree with you, since, having learned at an early age to
> "reuse, reduce, recycle" - I now find myself in the height of fashion
> AND with an environmentally clear conscience to boot! Nonethess,
.
> cheap any more!). Depressing and not-at-all PC though it is,
> Rigoletto still has some fabulous music and, last night, great performances
> and voices -- the experience gave me lift enough to get back into the grad
> grind (mental, physical and financial) for another stretch...
> Agnes

I recycle *everything* and always have.  My basement if *full* of
Lusianne instant coffee jars that I have been saving for 20 years
to <put things in>.... and I love them.  The most <perceptive>
(at least the top four) wordslers will soon find out just how
careful I am to not throw anything away, when they see the
wrapping on the *prizes*....
.
Re Rigoletto:  amazingly wonderful production of this opera last
year on PBS, done by what's-his-name in London who does the updated
opera stuff....  A really remarkable production, with everything
transformed to Chicago-style gangland reality.  Worked very well.
Much better than the _Don Giovanni_ and _Cosi Fan Tutti_ done in
a similar way at about the same time on PBS.
--ggs (have to admit I am a *real* opera fanatic...)
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Although I am an avowed liberal and am generally opposed to
> regimented thought ...
The exception is, of course, repeating liberal cliches.
What's your next move?
Steve Karlson
The cheesehead stands alone.
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talk about the pot and the kettle -- more original 'free people' pap.

JAG
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Posted on 7 Oct 1992 at 23:37:29 by (Bayla Singer)
>Sometimes nothing works, and I just hang up,
>*knowing* that it's a bad idea, but nobody's ever told me a better one.
 
EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU writes:
> Why is it a bad idea to hang up?

Without claiming this necessarily applies to the above situation
(which I haven't been following closely):

telnet doesn't always realize that the computer on the "other side"
has disappeared and continues waiting for further communication.

--karsten

(Some people are like that, too.  I don't know if moose are, though.)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:54:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: gas tax

>Tell me it's not true! You don't really only pay $1.25 per gallon, do you?
>
>Carolyn

OK, it's not true.  Not for me, in any case.  It's close to $2.00 a
gallon ($1.9-something) last time I looked.  Probably still cheaper
than yours though.

Michael E. Macmillan (macmillm@ewc)
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Lurking
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>Oh, I'll let anybody slip in if they ask me nicely.

What a tart! Now I know why I like you Graham. :-)

Carolyn
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: The Hyena Has A Sexy Voice!

>> So who's the Hyena and what's his number?

>Put on your list t-shirt and look down toward the left.  The hyena lives
>on that dot.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Don't give her any clues.  She's the only one here who has carried
on an extended telephone conversation with him, and she didn't think
he had a sexy voice then.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:31:45 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Let's pretend
              16 Oct 1992 10:00:00 EST from <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>

Happy Birthday, Neal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evelyn, Siegi, and Muffy
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:20:29 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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> Hmmm, this story of the green Palmolive sounds slippery, lathery, and
> squeaky clean.  I can hardly wait.

It's really not a very exciting story.  It's the story of my lust for
a gorgeous big bar of Palmolive after almost dying in a heat wave, of
giving in to my lust and buying it for my very own pleasure, of taking
it back to the windowless hotel room and passionately embracing it, etc.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:04:07 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: still a loser
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> <enough already @#$#%@#$#> and natalie chimed in with something
> tasteless like "I agree."  I was devastated, coming as it did from
> ....
> brothers should know when to quit joking and natalie chimed in with
> something tasteless like "I agree."

I strive to be agreeable.

> p.s.:  I've forgiven you for everything, and I'm just happy that
> most people are at least <talking to me> again.  Now, where's my
> supper?

It's on the table.  Where are you?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:09:51 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Dead Brain Cells re DST
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When I asked that question last night about whether DST ended this weekend,
I had somehow jumped ahead a week.  Thinking I was brilliant for having
realized that Nov. 1 is on a Sunday this year and thus DST would be ending
almost a week earlier than usual, I managed to jump from this weekend to
next weekend.  The scary part is that I didn't even realize it until I
was telling a class while ago to remember to change their clocks this
weekend.  They looked surprised and told me it was not this weekend.  I
then pointed out to them that Nov. 1 was a Sunday this year.  They agreed.
Oh well.  You get the picture.  What picture they got, I'm not sure...
Are you really gonna trust me to show up in Memphis at the right time,
Judith?  Ok -- concentration time:  think *tomorrow*.  That's easier than
trying to think which weekend is which.  Tomorrow I go to Memphis.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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              9 Oct 1992 19:48:42 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Evelyn (there's no such thing as too many books and magazines)
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except when you're packing and moving more than a few miles -- especially
if you're arriving alone.

JAG
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:51:34 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WHTMINJ 4

*** Resending note of 10/07/92 14:24


>My sympathies are minimal -- students would not have to borrow so much if
>they received the total amount of the loans.  My "service" charges
>diminished my installments from $2500 expected to $2310 received...and not

>//anne, who appreciates what the FinAid office does, just wishes the banks
>wouldn't scalp off both the students & the school//

Well Anne, I'm getting a little away from my area of knowledge, but isin't
the "service charge" (origination fee here) more than offset by the much
lower interest rate on student loans?

Don, who borrows money at higher interest rates than student loans ...but
guess I don't need the money as badly :-(
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:45:21 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMINJ 5
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> Say, you couldn't rpost 1-4 now I'm no longer deleting you unread,
> could you?

They're in docs/words-l/Misc and docs/words-l/Writing (linked file).
I haven't had time to append #5 to the file yet.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: justice (repost)
Summary: justice
Keywords: justice
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:32:41 GMT
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Alert: Long, serious post. (Second try)
---------
For Yom Kippur, I had intended to refrain from words-l as part of my
fast (thou shalt afflict thy soul, it says here), but the subject of
the VMI students and 'justice' seems appropriate for the day.  I am,
however, limiting myself to just posting this: I'll read the rest of
the tasty stuff tonight, when I have a whole new sin-year to work
out some repentance :-)

We are faced once again with the issue "what to do in the face of 
behavior we find objectionable."  The two types of response seem to
be, (1) why should there be any rules [strong form: who are <x> to
make rules, anyhow?], and (2) various coping strategies ranging from
<ignore them, they'll go away> and <if you don't like it, leave -- 
*you're the one with the problem> to <thrash them>.  

None of this seems satisfactory to me.  'Slippery slopes' run in all
directions: is the limitation of tolerance different in any essential
way in the physical rather than the language arena?  Shall I be required
to permit physical assault as well as verbal assault?  Can we who take
words and ideas seriously, seriously argue that the latter is less
damaging?  Indeed, the Supreme Court has moved toward the position of
considering political (and other) behavior as a form of "speech."  How 
can we justify the imposition of arbitrary (?) standards in any arena?

Is there a multi-layered regress of meta-standards, by which we can 
evaluate standards?  It seems to me this must be the case, or we run
into "because <X> says so, that's why" which is ok for those of us
who believe in some Final Authority or in the Sanctity of the Process,
but will not satisfy the self-confident anarchists who think themselves
capable of meeting any threat.

As a practical matter, standards have been found useful, as long as there
are meta-standards to which most people agree.  In the VMI case, it's
"netiquette"; in civil rights cases, it used to be only "morality,"
now it's also the law; and so on.  But what are we to do about people
who stay within the letter of the law, perhaps, and <abuse their 
privilege>?  When simple expressions of disapproval do not have their
intended effect (or worse, have the effect of intensifying the unwanted
behavior), have we an escalating set of sanctions to apply, *and* a
solid foundation of justice for doing so?

I find myself between the Scylla of permissiveness and the Charybdis
of tyrrany, and I am uncomfortable.  Maybe that's the best answer
available: do the best one can, but be uncomfortable, open to 
alternatives.  

--bayla
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:51:39 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: still a loser

> But sometimes the E-MAIL viewpoint is deceiving ... I felt Natalie was a
> somewhat strict person and even intimidating...until I met her.

This is beyond me.
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 15 Oct 92 00:42:09 GMT
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Mademoiselle Rita a fait la typo parfait! Merveilleuse!  [Sacr'e ciel,
I hope I got my high school franc,ais right -- bayla]

>	Ewww.  Get those things *off* me!  Mumble...you'll make me
>catch some sort of disease with that kind of behavoir..
                                                  ^^^^ 
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From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: Ross

Greetings,

I should have been more precise.  Stats themselves are rarely misleading, but
their interpretation is always subject to distortion.  To take a single
example, Ross showed a graphic that illustrated the declining value
of the dollar since 1950 (clearly a function of inflationary trends over
a 40 year period).  He noted that the 1950 dollar is worth 18 cents today
(I think).  True enough, but so what?  Over the same period of time,
incomes have risen more than enough to make up for the declining value
of the currency, and clearly Americans in 1992 have a better standard of
living (when evaluated in any tangible terms) than Americans did in 1950.

Another example: Ross showed a pie graph of expenditures broken down by
cabinet dept. (I think that's how it was broken down) which showed that
the defense budget is substantially larger than the budget for the
Commerce Dept. (of course), and commented that commerce is our big problem
today.  Sho' nuff.  The comparison, however strikes me as invidious, unless
Ross plans to form an army, navy, and air force of commerce and start some
kind of strategic trade initiative that will blow imports out of the sky.

In another instance, Ross showed a graph that showed how much the US
spends "defending the world" as opposed to the small amounts spent by
Germany and Japan, and commented that "they should pay their share."

First, the US doesn't "defend the world."  It defends its own perceived
interests in the world.  Those interests increasingly differ from the
interests of our major trading partners.  I happen to agree that the
industrialized nations should enter into a real mutual defense pact
(come to think of it, all the nations, industrialized or not), and
the expenses should be borne proportionately by those nations.  Any
real pact, however, could only work if its actions and policies were
determined and carried out in a true democratic environment in which US
coercion was not the principal deciding factor.  If Ross has such a plan
in mind, or plans to convert US military resources into support for the
UN, I'll be interested.  If he simply plans to extort tribute from our
allies, I consider that hogwash.

More importantly, though, I think we are well-advised to remember that
the allies imposed restrictions on military activities and expenditures
by Japan and Germany for reasons that were very sound in the context of the
times, and we ought to ponder carefully before lifting those restrictions.
Moreover, we ought to look at the Japanese and German experience in terms of
what it demonstrates about the American myth that prosperity is only
possible in a war-driven economy.

Marty
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      GOT IT!!!!
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It's here, Giggles.  I don't own anything like it either -- I'm speechless.

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:08:08 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject: Re: still a loser
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              92 12:28 pm

> OK, let's start by asking what's the big deal with the EFF gopher server if
> there's NOTHING on line to go-furr! My directory display is empty.

	Listen you technoid-lamer, there's a whole shitload of stuff
on our gopher server.  Not only that, but over 800 files have been
downloaded from our gopher server since midnight, so obviously the
problem is on your end.  Luser.  Sheesh.


Rita
how's that?
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Date: 11 Oct 92 22:33:00 GMT
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The Neiman Marcus train got a mention on "The Osgood File" on CBS.

Question: if I ever complete the Hiawatha Hudson and the B&O Docksider
kits I bought, will anyone other than an expert be able to tell them
from the Neiman-Marcus train, especially if I load the tender with a few
broken beer bottles :-)

Steve Karlson
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Date: 17 Oct 92 00:08:24 GMT
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:29:03 EDT, mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU wrote:
> I seem to have missed the address Graham provided for WOL.
> Will someone please repeat it for me?
> Thank you  Marilyn

moose.cs.indiana.edu 2627
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:52:34 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Thermodynamics
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Posted on 9 Oct 1992 at 20:51:08 by (Bayla Singer)
>Karen Kay has the temerity to ask:
>>What is the second law of thermodynamics?
>--the way I heard, the first law is "you can't win," the second law is
>"you always lose," and the third is "you can't leave the game, either."

But what does this have to do w/ time? :)

>>Karen
>>who wishes she were in sunny Spain w/ Torkel, drinking white sangria.
>
>--bayla, who wishes... well, never mind what she wishes.

Well, *I* wish you have a good weekend.  Is it that everyone is cranky
today or that everyone is cranky at me?  Everyone at school is snapping
at each other (and me!) and it's only the end of week 6!
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Date: 15 Oct 92 21:39:49 GMT
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Posted on 15 Oct 1992 at 17:28:07 by (Natalie Maynor)
>Natalie hasn't smoked in house, car, or office for the past 24 hours --
>ever since Mama Primate's plans became definite.  House windows and car
>windows have been open to air the air.  Can't open office windows since
>there aren't any.

Wow.  I am totally impressed.

Karen
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
              9 Oct 1992 09:49:23 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:49:23 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>When throwing away the last little bit of a bar of Ivory soap, don't
>try to flush it down the toilet.  It won't go.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Why not save them to rub on stains in clothing?  You can also put them
in an old stocking and use them as one bar.

Evelyn
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Depression
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>> Yesterday was National Depression Screening Day.

>Is there a .gif of it?

     Get a life, Harwell.

     Carol
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Ross

I thought Ross' half-hour was a knock-out.  The only sort of
grating thing was the beginning of so many of the segments with,
"Well, folks, . . ."  But he didn't get all quiet and mushy nor
did he become strident--the two main advertising modes of the
Other Two.

     I *am* curious, Marty, about what you thought was misleading
in the stats.  And howz about Clinton's stat that he's going to
raise 83 bil with the 36% marginal rate on the top 2%?  The IRS
figures seem to show (Bush source, I confess) that to raise 83
bil, 36% will have to be applied to taxable incomes (Clinton, of
course *talks* about people ***making*** more than $200K) of $53K
or more.  Do you have better stats or a cracked perspective that
makes more sense?

-K

-Mka
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Date: 15 Oct 92 16:36:00 GMT
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>even if it didn't come out right in the end.

>I KNEW it would go to the very end....and it was a hell of a game....

	Thanks for the sentiment, Dan.  I don't know what Jim 'Job' Leyland has
	to do to get to the World Series.

>don't cry in your beer too long, Neal....I was proud of the Bucs

	Me too.  The biggest disappointment is that WORDS-L semi-lurker and
	STATLG-L listowner Ann Mandi was going to fly into the 'burgh to see
	Game 1 of the World Series, and she was going to pass along to me a
	great big hug from Mama Primate!  I was *really* looking forward to
	that hug...

[the shot of Van Slyke sitting dazed in CF spoke volumes]
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Michael, Ulrich's says it's published by the Library at the College of
Charlston, S.C.  $25 a year, and covers library-vendor relations and
acquisitons.  (Oh, be still my heart!)  8-)

JMW, List Docent
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