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From: eriseman@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Eric Riseman)
Subject:  Sea Ray Boats
Reply-To: eriseman@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Eric Riseman)
Organization: Harris GISD
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:53:15 GMT

Does anyone know what kind of boat the Sea Ray "Weekender" is ?

I have come accross a 1978 "Weekender (24 feet 260hp)", which is in ok
condition 
(apart from torn seats and  wood work in need of some tlc).

The Seller is offering this boat at 9500.00. Is this too much?
and if it is, what should I expect to pay for a boat of this caliber
that is 23 years old? 
Who else makes a boat that is comperable to the "Weekender"?

(I realize supply and demand is an issue, and Central Florida is loaded
with boats for sale).

Thanks in advance for the advice....
ESR
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Mayday's and Channel 16 use 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.165745.10475@ichips.intel.com>, jreece@sousa.intel.com writes...
> 
>There was an interesting article about this in a San Francisco area
>sailing magazine.  Some fellow whose station license had expired
>a few months previously gave his boat name and call letters when 
>making a call.  FCC operators were monitoring the channel. They looked up
>his call letters and found that his license had expired.  The 
>fine: $8000!  

Whereas if he'd used a nickname thay'd have had to waste a lot of time DF'ing 
him (and probably wouldn't have caught him) ... sounds a bit draconian to me;
not as if he was knowingly making a false MAYDAY call, or whatever.

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: more frapping
Organization: Public Health Research Institute, New York
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:03:48 GMT

	Just to add a bit of literary trivia to recent thread concerning
frapping, here's a quote from C. S. Forester's "Captain Horatio Hornblower":

	"We'll have the guns loaded and run out, if you please, Mr.
	Bush," said Hornblower.

	That was only a sensible precaution to take, seeing that the
	ship was about to sail before the wind straight into Spanish
	territory.  The guns' crews cast off the frappings of the
	breeches, tugged desperately at the train tackles to drag the
	guns inboard, rammed home the powder and the shot, depressed
	the gun muzzles, strained madly at the gun tackles, and ran
	the guns out through the opened ports.

-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu  (Cindy Rossley)
Subject: Re: net gathering?
Organization: Swarthmore College Chemistry Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:52:51 GMT

In article <120@cherise.UUCP> bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>Here's an idea: Over in rec.music.gdead, we're always having
>'net gatherings' at dead shows. It might be interesting and
>fun if we here in rec.boats that frequent the Chesapeake Bay
>got together sometime, somewhere on the bay. It's interesting
>to put a face on someone@a.big.site who you've been seeing
>articles from over the months. 

Bob,

	I tried to e-mail you but it bounced back.  Sounds like fun to me!  Just pick
a spot where a sailboat can get to, (no low bridges!)

	Where do you keep your boat and do you get to Worton often?  Ours is docked at
Green Point Marina on Worton Creek!  Keep me posted.


	Cindy Rossley
	Chemistry Department
	Swarthmore College
	crossle1@cc.swarthmore.edu    
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: frankjo@lonex.rl.af.mil (Joseph W. Frank)
Subject: Mastercraft Trans.
Organization: RL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:14:45 GMT

I recently upgraded from a 1987 Mastercraft Prostar 190 powerslot to a new
1992 powerslot with a 285.  The boat is fantastic and I am really happy with
the upgrade but I have noticed a difference in the shifting.  The response
when shifting my '87 into gear was instantaneous while the '92 appears to
have a slight delay when going into gear.  More specifically, after shifting
to forward, it takes a moment before the boat actually begins to move.  I
personally don't have a problem with this but a couple of friends I ski with
find it anoying, especially since it is possible to move the throttle quite
far forward before movement takes place and thus cause a rather abrupt start.
I have checked all of the linkages and the transmission fluid level and all
seems to be in order.  The dealer claims this is a normal condition and there
is nothing wrong.  Any info or suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: DUSKY BOATS (power)
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:25:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208


  I have been looking for a boat for a while, in the 22-24 foot range, mainly
  for fishing but some family stuff too.  

  I have encountered a company called Dusky, based in Fla.  Sells direct only.
  I am quite interested in what they have to offer (on paper).  I would be 
  very interested to find out what you may know about this company's boats,
  either first- or second-hand experience.  Whatever boat I buy will be used
  primarily in Lakes Erie and Ontario with occasional sojourns to smaller 
  (Finger) lakes and the Thousand Islands area.  

  many thanks,

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
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From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:08:19 GMT

In article <moseley.52.713751556@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu
(Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>Does the QEII have a depth sounder? This might sound like a stupid question, 
>but a few weeks ago I had the opportunity to be in the wheelhouse of one of 
>the Washington State Ferries (the Sealth, I think) for the entire Bremerton-
>Seattle run. I didn't see a depth sounder and asked the captain about it. 
>His reply was that the ferries don't have depth sounders since the captains 
>were required to know the depths in the area! I can't count the number of 
>times my depth sounder has kept me out of trouble.
>
A depth sounder helps, especially in a gradually sloping bottom, but it won't
"see" an isolated rock coming up to 30 feet in the midst of mostly 40-foot
depths. Plus the ship was moving at about 24 knots. By the time an obstruction
like what the QEII hit showed up as sounder return, it would been too late to
do anything about it - it was already under the hull (unless the ship had some
kind of forward-looking sonar transducers).

A little geological note - the area the QEII went aground is a terminal glacial
moraine, extending from (and comprising) the Upper Cape, Elizabeth Islands,
Block Island, and part of Long Island (Harbor Hill or Ronkonkama Moraine, I
forget which). There are large glacial erratics (isolated large boulders)
scattered throughout all this previously glaciated "terrain" (remember
sea-level was about 120 meters lower when this moraine was deposited and most
of what's now continental shelf was exposed land then. Find an appropriately
scaled chart and trace the approx. 360 foot contour to see what I mean.) So I'm
not  surprised that there are uncharted obstructions out there.

Also remember how the surveys used to be done - with narrow-beam sounders
(prob. worse than your average Datamarine or Signet DS, and without the benefit
of GPS or even Loran naviguessing. And all done by discrete transects, with the
chart contours done by interpolation among transects. No multibeam acoustic
swath mapping systems. So even if an obstruction was found, who knew if
position was correctly charted?

The NY Times today reports an exchange between Paul Esbenson of the National
Transportation Safety Board and Robin Woodall, Capt. of the QEII:
"...Capt Woodall said he did not know if any other large ships had passed
through those waters before.
'In fact you were doing some surveying yourself?' asked Mr. Esbenson with a wry
smile.
'In a most dramatic way,'  Capt. Woodall said ruefully."

So take charts with a grain of salt, and note when the latest survey was done.
And don't think just 'cuz you have a depthsounder you're automatically safe.

"Captain, didn't you know that rock was there?"
"I hit it, didn't I?"

-Will Howard
From: reuter@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Al T. Reuter)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:25:46 GMT
Subject: Performance sailboat wanted.
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.boats

After several years of owning/racing a J/24, I'm considering buying a new boat.
Sailing technology has come a long way since I purchased my J/24, but I'm
discovering it is hard to find a replacement that offers a comparable level
of performance, one-design racing, and class enthusiasm.  One boat that has
caught my eye is the Tripp 26 from Smart boats.  Does anyone out there have
any experience in a Tripp 26?  Is there a strong class association?
Are there any Tripp 26 one-design fleets in the Pacific Northwest?
Are the class rules published anywhere?  I also heard that J-boats is planning
on building a 27' version of their decimeter series (i.e. J/105, J/92, ...).

In particular, I'm looking for a 26' to 27' performance one-design monohull
that is easy to sail and trailer.  Crew limits of 3 to 4 people (including
skipper) would be preferable to the five it takes to competitively sail a
J/24.  Any suggestions (i.e. B-25, Carrera 290, etc.) or comments would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

Al Reuter
reuter@hpspkla.hp.com
(509) 921-3448
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:09:42 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <118@cherise.UUCP> bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>In article <10AUG199211103878@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Desert Stork: Delivers election in swaddling clothes...) writes:
>
>Now, I know that one transmits a mayday when there is imminent danger
>to life. And I don't think the flare we saw was shot off unreasonably,
>since they had no radio. But, what's the official line on firing
>flares? The CG takes flare sightings _very_ seriously, but in
>writing all this I realized that I'm not really sure what a flare
>is supposed to be signalling? Dire distress, equal to a mayday?
>Or is it reasonable to fire one off if one is, say, aground? Doesn't
>seem reasonable to me. 
>
>Also, on the maydays, people really should learn not to call a mayday
>just because they're out of fuel. That's really common here on
>the bay.
>
>Bob
>

You are 2 miles offshore, no radio and you are out of gas.
WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO, if not fire off a flare (or two).. 
 
Or, alternatively.. exactly what is the proceedure for calling for help
(VHS or CB) when you are on the bay, w/o Loran, and out of gas. I could 
believe that a mayday is a little extreme, but I don't know any alternative.

PS, i am routinely on the bays in Liong Island, without a chart or loran, 
only 6gal of fuel and NO RADIO.. 
If I run out of gas, and no boats are within sight, I figure I have few if any
choices:

1: Anchor the boat and start swimming
2: Hope some helpful soul flots by before i dehydrate or starve
3: Fire off my flares, handhelds, parashoots (sp) and anything else that will
smoke, burn or make noise....

I have a real problem hoping that I can hail someone by waving a flag
or hollering..

my $.02..

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
{									      }
{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Gas tanks and safety. Was, Re: snow goose
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:26:26 GMT

Roy Smith writes:

	Mike Fishman writes:

		Can I safely carry an approved 6Gal gas can on deck.. 
		assumming I don't trip on it? What about safety issues 
		wrt re-fueling on the water. I had always assumed that 
		carrying a gas can and refueling on the water was a no-no..

	I've got two portable fuel tanks, the kind where you have a hose
	with a primer bulb running from the tank to the motor.  The hose 
	attaches to both the motor and the tank with a quick-release fitting.  
	When I'm going somewhere far enough away that I consider it important 
	to make sure I don't run out of fuel, I just make sure the 2nd tank 
	is full and when I run out of gas in the first tank, all I have to 
	do is switch the hose to the 2nd tank, give a few pumps on the bulb 
	and restart the motor.  Perfectly safe.

Well, almost perfectly safe. I concur. TEMPO tanks are the way to go. The
6-gal ones at $16.95 (a local special) are the way to go. TEMPO also makes
the end fittings for both motors (Johnson/Evinrude, Nissan, &c.) and tanks,
and in brass or stainless in case of the tank fittings. All very inexpensive.
I am advised to change fuel lines every year. Sounds like good advice. All
these goodies are in the WEST MARINE catalog, although good old AL at AL's
BOATS here in Redwood City had the best price. By the way, did you folk
know that Johnson/Evinrude are made in Belgium, Sears, Nissan, some Mercuries
and Mariners are made by Tohatsu, and that Honda generators are made in USA
but outboards in Japan? Quite confusing. For the really absurd, consider
that harley-Davidson bikes are assembvled here from largely Japanese parts,
whereas the Honda GoldWing is manufactured over here. Why the hell am I
rambling on like this? Must be the coffee...

Gybe Ho!
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: History of the Canoes and Kayaks
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:55:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.boats, psh@wg.estec.esa.nl writes:



    Dear canoe and kayak friends,

    I am trying to collect the history of the Canoe and Kayak over the period from
........

    In the literature I have already found (mostly by Sven Thorell, Sweden and
    K.V. Palslev, Denmark) are pictures and line drawings of a series of early
    20th century canoes and kayaks (wood/canvas constructions) of which I am
    looking for copies of the original drawings. 

    Per S. Hemsoe
.........
Not sure if this would be of any intereset to you but, back in the
'40s, I bought a book by Percy Blandford who designed kayaks for sea
going.  His book had an 11 foot single seater and a 15 foot double
seater (I think he called them PBK-11 and PBK-15).  I built a 1 inch
scale of the PBK 11 from balsa wood.  It was just like building those
wooden model aeroplanes using formers and stringers and then covering
it with cloth.

I built a full-scale version of the PBK 15 some years later and it was
not significantly harder than the model had been.  Cut out plywood
formers, glue and screw the stringers and cover the whole thing in
canvas.  I expected the canvassing part to be the trickiest, but it
turned out to be easy.  I sold that about 10 years ago (haven't seen
it since) and then built another one just for fun about 4 years ago.
I painted them both bright battleship red so I called the last one
"Deja Vue" (I'll leave you to put the appropriate accents in).

Good luck in your quest.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Transporting the Shearwater to Europe
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:01:40 GMT

It appears the Shearwater and I are relocating to Germany.  I'm considering
sailing her over to England or France - but am looking for alternatives.
 
Does anyone in net-land have experience with transporting a 36' sailboat
to Europe?  Can she be deck-shipped with the rigging in place (safely)?
How much does it cost?
 
Is it reasonable to have her delivered to Europe?  Ideas of costs?
 
Volunteers to crew if I sail her over?
 
Other advice?   /Stu
From: myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How windy?
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:57:20 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <Aug.20.11.16.19.1992.11355@pilot.njin.net> ccoombs@pilot.njin.net (Cliff Coombs) writes:
>Since colder air has greater density than warmer air it produces more
>force against the sails.  Hence a 10 knot breeze in the spring is more
>like 12 knot breeze in the summer.  (your mileage may vary)  I learned

Alan Watts covers this subject (formulas, charts, graphs, etc.) in one of his 
books on weather and sailing.  My experience here in Texas is that a 20 knot
breeze in July (100F) vs. the same velocity in January (50F) provides a dramatic
difference in wind pressure on the sails.  In boardhead terms, in July it would
be a 6.0 day and in January it would be a 4.5 to 5.0 day.  For Hobie sailing,
the July day would be frolicing fun, the January day would be approaching out
of control.


T. Micheal Young  "WindRider"
myoung@lonestar.digi.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: klundqvi@abo.fi (Kurt Lundqvist AT)
Subject: VHF
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:58:09 GMT

I would be interested in knowing if any of the following VHF-radios are
sold in the USA (NYC). 

APELCO VXE 200           RACAL-DECCA VHF-128 MARINE       SHIPMATE RS 7000
ARGONAUT SS              RAYTHEON RAY 98 E                SHIPMATE RS 7100
CORVETTE SS              RAYTHEON RAY 200                 SHIPMATE RS 7120
DANCOM RT 408            ROBERTSON VHF-100                SKANTI TRP 2500
DEBEG 6310               ROBERTSON VHF 100-X              SRA ME-60
FURUNO FM-2520           SAILOR RT 144 B                  SRA ME-70
ITT STR 12               SAILOR RT 144 C                  YAESU FTM-2002
ITT STR 50               SAILOR RT 144 CS                 WALKER 6310
NAVALEC S-55             SAILOR RT 145
NAVALEC EF-2461          SAILOR RT 146
NAVALL EF-2462 D         SAILOR RT 2047
NAVALL EF-2462 DS        SAILOR RT 2048
NAVALL EF-2464           SAIT TRP 2500 W

If You have seen any of these, could You please send me a mail with information
about which one and where.

Kurt
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: eriseman@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Eric Riseman)
Subject:  Sea Ray Boats
Reply-To: eriseman@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Eric Riseman)
Organization: Harris GISD
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:03:03 GMT

Does anyone know what kind of boat the Sea Ray "Weekender" is ?

I am looking at a 1978, 24 foot (260HP?) weekender which seems to be in
decent to good shape 
(except for the torn seats and the woodwork which needs alittle tlc). 
The seller is offering this
boat at $9500.00.  Is this too much for a 23 year old boat?  If it is,
what would be a reasonable
price?  ( I realize that supply and demand are an issue, and currently
central FLA has a glut of
used boats for sale).

What other boats out there are comperable to the "Weekender"?

Thanks in advance for the advice....
ESR
From: tate@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Tate Noel Trujillo)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: HOBIE CAT FOR SALE
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:24:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

14' Hobie Cat with trailer.  Everything is in excellent condition.
The main sail was reconditioned last year.  Must SELL!  Asking $1,000.
Please respond to tate@ecn.purdue.edu or call 317-463-3139.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: marine heads - advice/recommendations wanted
Keywords: groco head
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:40:25 GMT

In article <zz!nh=n.greg@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>In article <914@seahcx.UUCP> kenh@seahcx.UUCP (Ken Hughes) writes:
>
>Yes. Rip the bugger out and replace it with a Raritan PHII (manual)
>head. No, don't you go near those attractive little compact models,
>unless you have a space crunch. And the W-C head with the plunger
>will pee water all over your fingers after about a year (yuck).

What Greg says about the Wilcox-Crittenden head is partly true---there's a
packing gland at the top of the pump (through which the pump shaft rides), and
the packing nut needs to be tightened periodically, and then (eventually) the
packing needs to be replaced. It costs about $3, I think. My new one's been in
there 18 months with no sign of leaks, and I haven't even had to tighten it
yet. Perhaps this is in part because I make a policy of pumping some "sea lube"
through the head after each weekend of use. SeaLube is a commercial product
that claims to be good to all the rubber parts of the head. So far, I've been
utterly happy---the pump works smoothly and effectively. 

By the way---installing a new packing is simple and clean---it happens entirely
on the "clean water" side of the head, in case you're squeamish. So don't be
*quite* so afraid of the W/C models, particularly if you can get a used one
cheap. 

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: protests or using the rules
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:55:33 GMT

In article <guido.714170514@sparc-3> guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci) writes:
:These discussions on racing rules brings me to ask what others feel about
:alternative penalties and how the rules should be used.
:
:1. Do you like alternative penalties, i.e. 720
:2. Do you feel that the primary purpose of the racing rules is to keep 
:   boats from colliding or is it appropriate (moral :-) to use 
:   the rules to gain a tactical advantage over others.

I think that the *primary* purpose us to keep boats from colliding.

:I believe that racing is a game and that the rules provide a way
:of making the game fair and somewhat orderly.  As such using
:the rules to gain a tactical advantage is appropriate and part of the fun. 

I partly agree. The Cal Sailing Club, in Berkeley, used to hold races
on Sunday mornings, with almost no wind. Very short courses, in very
sturdy boats (Lido 14s). Lots of protests. The intent, in part, was
to help train people in the rules. In this situation, I agree 100%
with Guido.

:This includes the obvious situations such as port starboard where
:your force the port tacker to duck you, but also more complicated
:situations where you position yourself to gain an advantage at
:a specific instance.  This may include an aggressive tacking
:or jibing duel to gain an inside overlap at a mark, or
:force someone to not make a mark and is forced to tack again.
:
:The objective is not to collide, but to find ways that slow
:down your opponents or cause them to sail longer distances.

The problem is the inherent tension between these two intents. The
rules do not give you much of an advantage unless you are nearby, so
your desire to use them to advantage inevitably draws you close to other
boats (consider "tacking to cover" for example). 

My dream race is one in which all the boats sail on the same water at the same
time, but pass smoothly through each other in the 4th dimension :-). Then the
entire race is determined by how well you can sail your boat. Alas, no
such world is available. Until then, I'll prefer racing in boats small
enough that the inevitable collisions have a cost that I can afford. 
I think that sailboat racing and the stock market have a lot in common, 
in the sense that you should never invest more than you can afford to lose. :-)

-John
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