HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley)
Subject: Re: MIME in NEWS?
Organization: Xenitec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:12:51 GMT


Thank you to all who responded to my questions about MIME smart news readers.
Several of you told me that the current version (v2.4) of MetaMail has patches
for TRN (Threaded News Reader) included.  Sure enough the mailers.txt file
contained these.  I ftp'd v2.4 of TRN, applied the patches and read my own
post.  Still a few things to work out though.

In article <DAVIDM.93Jan10225930@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>Since the talk has strayed into rich text in news reading, I'd like to ask
>about all those people who read the news via dialups to a main system.  Rich
>text is going to make it very hard for these people to read the news.  Is
>anyone considering this (ie. is rich text still readable if you don't have a
>rich text reader)?

Dialup has nothing to do with it at all.  I use a dumb terminal and 1200 baud
modem to read most of my mail and news.  The RichText should work just fine
on any terminal with a half decent termcap.  Is RichText readable without a
RichText viewer?  You tell me I my last post was RichText, I think you can see 
what I said.

-- 
Vance Shipley 
vances@xenitec.on.ca         vances@switchview.com         vances@ltg.uucp
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mime
Subject: Re: Using MIME without extra mail headers
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:31:37 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <C0LA9I.9AB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
>MIME works fine as is with gopher.  I can't imagine a reason why it
>wouldn't work fine with ftp as well.  There is serious discussion of
>adding MIME to USENET news as a new enhanced article format.

Forgive me for being stupid, but MIME states that certain information
necessary for unpicking the text should be carried in message headers
by the use of new header fields.  FTP does not have a concept of message
(or file) headers.  If it does "work" with FTP (e.g. to allow the
correct transmission of mixed text/binary files between systems with
different character codes, which is one application I have in mind)
it does so by some method not described in RFC 1341.  What I am asking
is what form this method takes, i.e. whether it is the use of the
MIME headers (MIME-Version, Content-Type etc.) as the first lines of
the file.
From: clay@panix.com (Clay Irving)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mime
Subject: Re: Commercial MIME products
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:52:01 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <syscrc.726294707@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> syscrc@pickle.gsu.edu (Randy Carpenter) writes:

>Are there any?

I use ZMail -- It is a graphical mail user agent that runs under Motif and has 
MIME goodies built in. I think you can reach them at info@zcode.com -- I know
you can reach my sales rep at niners@zcode.com.
-- 
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Where the potato-gatherers like mechanized scarecrows move  | New York, NY
Along the side-fall of the hill--Maguire and his men.       | clay@panix.com
   -- Patrick Kavanagh 1905-1967                            | clay@garpac.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mime
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Using MIME without extra mail headers
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:33:29 GMT

In article <gfIR8H600WBw8UW0Na@andrew.cmu.edu> John Gardiner Myers <jgm+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>M.T.Hamilton@lut.ac.uk ([*] M.T.Hamilton) writes:
>> This is a gross hack but it would be of practical benefit to those
>> people who are in the same position as Alasdair.
>
>No, it will not be of benefit to such people, at least not in the long
>term.  Such a kludge would do two things:
>
>1) Remove the incentive to get the broken gateways fixed.  Once
>established, such an "interim" convention would never go away.

If the problem were only about gateways, it would be more easily fixable.
But it is not, it's about domains. What is a gateway supposed to do to a
MIME message destined for a domain that does not support the inclusion
of MIME headers in the "header part" (something well-defined in RFC 822
but by no means universal) of messages?  Perhaps people with limited
experience of heterogenous mail domains should ponder this question before
leaping in with the suggestion that it's all about gateways.
From: chrise@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Eich)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:23:15 GMT
Subject: Re: rmmer bummer: recursion even w/$MH
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh

Just to clarify, I'm discussing Jerry Peek's "rmmer", described in his
Nutshell Handbook.  (I got some commiserating mail from Jerry already.)

Chris
From: humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu
Subject: aliases and standard internet addresses
Spin: upbeat, yet realistic
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Reply-To: humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu
X-Mts: smtp
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:09:36 GMT

How does one get MH to understand the standard address form in an alias
file? ie:

whump: "Bill Humphries<humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu>"

MH chokes and gives me a "no such user message" when I try it.
--------------
Bill Humphries				humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu
Department of Economics, University of Wisconsin
"The best of monopoly profits is a quiet life." -- Lord Hicks
From: humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: aliases and standard internet addresses
             <199301120854.AA23085@zeus.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
X-Mts: smtp
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:25:14 GMT

Several people mailed me in reply to my question about aliases, and
the answer:

>whump: "Bill Humphries" <humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu>

worked fine. Thanks to all who responded. Apparently the format suggested
in Krol's internet book ( foo: "foo<foo@bar.edu>") does not work with mh
or mh-e (the emacs front-end.)

khera@cs.duke.edu also pointed out that "foo" does not need quotes unless
it contains punctuation.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: herwig@hebb.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Christoph Herwig)
Subject: filtering before printing
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:30:16 GMT

Using xmh how can I print messages without the nasty "received by..."
lines? Another way to put it: Is there a way to specify the fields to
be included in the printed version?

Thanks for help!

--------------------------------------------------------------------
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FB3 - Math and Comp Science      Phone     +49-421-218-4659
University of Bremen, Germany    Fax       +49-421-218-3054
From: exodus@vsync.Eng.Sun.COM (Greg Onufer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: MH and Solaris 2.x sendmail
Date: 9 Jan 1993 08:50:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: vsync

andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy Sherman) writes:
>Interesting problem here.  We are running Solaris 2.1 (a/k/a SunOS 5.1
>a/k/a Sun's SVr4), and I've noticed a change in sendmail.  To better
>integrate with the multimedia mailtool, sendmail makes sure there are
>Content-Type and Content-Length headers in every message.  Since it
>now *knows* the body length of a message, it has no need to prepend a
>> to every line beginning with \nFrom.  So it doesn't.  The result is
>that when my boss forwards a message to me, inc splits it into two
>parts.

I believe the AnswerBook covers this, but...

In your /etc/mail/sendmail.cf file, add the 'E' flag to the flags
in the local and prog mailers.  Re-freeze the config file, restart
sendmail, etc.  The SVR4 headers are still added, but the From
lines will be quoted.

My workaround to get rid of all of the SVR4-isms was to use
slocal and have my .maildelivery file just put everything into
/var/mail.  slocal at least did it properly.

Cheers!greg

PS.  I don't think the new mail format has anything to do with
mailtool but was a change made by AT&T.  Does someone have an
authoritative answer?
From: jromine@binky.ics.uci.edu (John Romine)
Subject: Re: MH and Solaris 2.x sendmail
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Reply-To: jromine@ics.uci.edu (John Romine)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:36:22 GMT

andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy Sherman) writes:
>We are running Solaris 2.1 and I've noticed a change in sendmail.  To better
>integrate with the multimedia mailtool, sendmail makes sure there are
>Content-Type and Content-Length headers in every message.  Since it
>now *knows* the body length of a message, it has no need to prepend a
>'>' to every line beginning with \nFrom.  So it doesn't.  The result is
>that when my boss forwards a message to me, inc splits it into two

What happens if a message already has a content-length header, but
Sun's sendmail doesn't agree with the length given?  TOPS20 used
a mailbox format which included file lengths... it sure was a pain
to edit those mailbox files.

As for MH, it supports the UUCP-style (From user date ...) and
MMDF-style (ctrl-A) mailbox formats.  It doesn't support the newly-
discovered Solaris-broken-UUCP-style mailbox format.

It seems likely that other UAs will also not understand the
Solaris-broken-UUCP-style mailbox format.  Perhaps fixing
/bin/mail to write the '>' characters is the right thing to do?
--
John Romine
From: sechrest@frisby.cs.orst.edu
Subject: Re: MH 6.7.2 & Sendmail
             <1993Jan8.015235.23948@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:07:11 GMT

--------

As I recall, this is due to having a CNAME in your DNS system
set up wrong. I ran across this and fixed it. I think the new
O'Reilly book: DNS and BIND is the one that gave me the pointer.
I think you need to have the host name be the canonical name
of the host. But this was a long time ago, so I am not sure.




Marc Simon <msimon@us.oracle.com> writes:

  > When I attempt to send outgoing mail which is transported via sendmail
  > I get a 53 gatekeeper.oracle.com I refuse to talk to myself message
  > when post attempts to start a conversation with the local sendmail
  > server using the full name of the host following the HELO command.
  > Has anyone ran into this - Any suggestions?

  > Marc Simon
  > Oracle Corp
  > msimon@us.oracle.com / 415-506-4710

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Lab Coordinator      .
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From: jsc@saxon.Eng.Sun.COM (John Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: copying to a folder with slocal and .maildelivery
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:01:20 GMT
Organization: SunSoft, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: saxon


I can successfully redirect incoming mail to particular folders using
slocal and .maildelivery, but how do I arrange for a message to be
*copied* to a folder in addition to appearing in my +inbox ?

I've read the mhook man page, but this didn't shed any light.

Thanks,
	--- John.
--
	--- John
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh,comp.sys.hp
From: millert@hilbert.cs.Colorado.EDU (Todd C. Miller)
Subject: Re: Rnad mail handler source/availability for hpux
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:25:29 GMT

You can get mh 6.8 from ftp.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.1].  The file is
pub/mh/mh-6.8.tar.Z

 - todd
-- 
 Todd C. Miller    millert@cs.Colorado.EDU    Sys/Adm Undergraduate Operations
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: Where is current Information Stored?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.213346.19208
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California

In <1993Jan12.174858.11636@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) writes:

>I am curious as to how MH stores the current message number and current
>folder name.  I could dig through the sources to find it out...

...or the docs -- a couple of the man pages are relevant.  Here's one --
from the FILES section of the mh-sequence(5) man page:

     <mh-dir>/context                       The user context
     <folder>/.mh_sequences                 Public sequences for <folder>

See the docs for more detail, but the current folder name is in
<mh-dir>/context, current sequence info is in the folder with the
messages in .mh_sequences if the folder is writable, otherwise it's
in <mh-dir>/context.

Have fun!

Pete
From: rmcash@eos.ncsu.edu (Rob Cash)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: repl format
Keywords: stupidity
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:51:47 GMT
Reply-To: rmcash@eos.ncsu.edu (Rob Cash)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: rmcash@c00029-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


Hello *,


I apologize for the insignificant questions, but here it is
anyways...  when I reply to a message, I want it to say at the
top of the new message, In message "<SUBJECT_GOES_HERE>", you wrote,

My problem is that I do not understand how to write the a reply format
file.  Also, the FAQ had a question on how to include your signature.
If I put my signature in my replcomp file, then the message to which I'm
replying (and including, prefixed with >s) is put below my signature.
Can anyone help me out?  Please reply via email.

Thanks in advance,
Rob

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||     || |             Rob Cash                                 ||     || |
||     || |             B.S. Student in Computer Science         ||     || |
||     ||='             North Carolina State University          ||     ||='
||_____||               Internet: rmcash@eos.ncsu.edu            ||_____||
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From: rc@mithras.boston.sgi.com (Roger Corron)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Fixed prune-mail script
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: rc@boston.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Mail to Bob Munck (the author) bounces, and this is probably of general
interest, so...

This is a fix to the prune-mail script distributed from ftp.ics.uci.edu.
The original could delete messages that did not have any message-id,
such as a message filed with Fcc. If there were multiple such messages
in a folder, one would be selected from the scan output and deleted.
A grep for "<" and ">" solves the problem.

Roger Corron
rc@boston.sgi.com

#! /bin/csh -f
# eliminate all messages in $1 with duplicate message-ids
#
# Subject: MH utility to delete duplicate messages in a folder
# Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:48:45 -0400
# From: Bob Munck <munck@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>
# 
# Fixed to delete only messages with message-ids.
# Roger Corron  <rc@boston.sgi.com>
#
# I debated using "$1" everywhere I have "+$1", since the user
# would then need the "+" and would be following MH conventions
# more closely.  I suppose a real convention-following utility
# would also allow defaulting by using Path from ~/.mh-profile
# to find context and getting Current-Folder from it.  

if ( ( $#argv == 0 ) || ( $1 == -help ) || ( $1 == -h ) ) then
   echo 'USAGE: prune-mail folder'
   exit 0
   endif
folder +$1
set s =  `scan +$1 -format "%4(putnumf(msg))	%{message-id}"|grep '.*<.*>.*' | sort +1|uniq -d +5|sed 's/	.*$//'`
if ( "$s" != "" ) then
   rmm $s +$1
   folder +$1
   endif
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: pick from mh-e on full messages?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:11:21 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

In <18282@autodesk.COM> dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith) writes:
> 	When I use mh-search-folder, is there a way to apply
> the pick on full messages (pick -search)?  Searching by headers
> is nice, but not always sufficient.  I'm using:

	Ok, I figured it out...cool stuff.

	Anyone extend this to save to more than one link at a time?
I figured out the part about using mh-pipe-message to
refile -link +this +that +other, now wondering if this same functionality
is within mh-e.el, or if I'm going to need to add it.

					Daniel
-- 
 dansmith@autodesk.com       daniel@world.std.com       dansmith@well.sf.ca.us
        Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: pick from mh-e on full messages?
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:06:49 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	I'm just getting into mh.  I tried plum a little, didn't figure
out how picking was supposed to work.  I'm now trying mh-e.el inside
of Epoch.  So far so good...

	When I use mh-search-folder, is there a way to apply
the pick on full messages (pick -search)?  Searching by headers
is nice, but not always sufficient.  I'm using:

(setq mh-e-RCS-id "$Header: mh-e.el,v 3.6 92/01/21 18:34:50 gildea Exp $")
(setq mh-e-time-stamp "92/01/21 18:34:45 gildea")

	May I please get some example .mh_profile and relevant .emacs sections
from some of you that have customized this stuff?  Also, is anyone using
Epoch in such a way where you would have separate screens for scan
and show?

				Daniel
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        Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
c'mon over and do the twist / overdo it, and have a fit
love you so much, you make me sick /  c'mon over and do the twist  - Nirvana
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Stephen Gildea)
Subject: Re: pick from mh-e on full messages?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:14:51 GMT

	    When I use mh-search-folder, is there a way to apply
    the pick on full messages (pick -search)?  Searching by headers
    is nice, but not always sufficient.

Yes.  When filling in the search template, type the body pattern you
want in the space for the template body.

 < Stephen
   MIT X Consortium
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: MH6.8: HELO in sm_init?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:08:24 -0800
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsceo.scd.hp.com

MH6.8's mts/sendmail/smail.c sm_init() routine (ifdef SMTP) does a
HELO to the smtp daemon when the following is defined:

  #if     !defined(SENDMTS) || defined(MMDFII) || defined(SVR4)

I'm curious about why it does this with SVR4.  What is special
about SVR4 in this case?
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Stephen Gildea)
Subject: Re: pick from mh-e on full messages?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:34:58 GMT

    	Anyone extend [mh-e] to save to more than one link at a time?

If you use the "^" command (mh-refile-msg) more than once on a
message, it will make links.  You can also make links explicitly
with "c" (mh-copy-msg).

 < Stephen
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
From: gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Can I make inc use POP?
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:10:23 GMT

Is it possible to configure MH so that inc (& whatever else is
necessary) use POP to get to mail files?

An xbiff-oid that used POP would also be nice.

This would mean I could do away with the NFS-mounted mail spool
altogether....

--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia
			Dizzy Gillespie: RIP.
From: andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: MH and Solaris 2.x sendmail
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:08:50 GMT
Organization: Salomon Inc
In-reply-to: jromine@binky.ics.uci.edu's message of 8 Jan 93 23:36:22 GMT

I originally asked: 

andys> We are running Solaris 2.1 and I've noticed a change in
andys> sendmail.  To better integrate with the multimedia mailtool,
andys> sendmail makes sure there are Content-Type and Content-Length
andys> headers in every message.  Since it now *knows* the body length
andys> of a message, it has no need to prepend a '>' to every line
andys> beginning with \nFrom.  So it doesn't.  The result is that when
andys> my boss forwards a message to me, inc splits it into two parts

>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 23:36:22 GMT, jromine@binky.ics.uci.edu (John Romine) said:

jromine> What happens if a message already has a content-length header, but
jromine> Sun's sendmail doesn't agree with the length given?  TOPS20 used
jromine> a mailbox format which included file lengths... it sure was a pain
jromine> to edit those mailbox files.

I haven't tested what sendmail does with pre-existing content-length
headers if broken transport agents change the body length.

jromine> As for MH, it supports the UUCP-style (From user date ...) and
jromine> MMDF-style (ctrl-A) mailbox formats.  It doesn't support the newly-
jromine> discovered Solaris-broken-UUCP-style mailbox format.

jromine> It seems likely that other UAs will also not understand the
jromine> Solaris-broken-UUCP-style mailbox format.  Perhaps fixing
jromine> /bin/mail to write the '>' characters is the right thing to do?

No, it is not in the cards for me to mung /bin/mail.  Another poster
pointed out that sendmail *does* have an option to quote From_ lines,
which I may do, although I'd much rather teach MH to grok
Content-Length headers (the ugly hack is building as we speak).  My
reasoning is that Sun did *not* break UUCP-style maildrops, but rather
they unbroke them in preparation for things like a) their multi-media
mail, b) MIME, and c) X.400, all of which use content-length to give
you a definitive answer to the question "Where does the $%$##@# body
end, anyway?"  IMHO, the >From convention is an ugly hack to deal
with the fact that the UUCP-style maildrop was deficient.  Since the
lack of >From-ing only affects the local system (since remote
/bin/rmail's will do what's right for themselves), I'll fix any local
3rd party tools to match Sun.  Now if they'd only have mailtool use
MIME instead of X-Sun headers.....


--
Andy Sherman
Salomon Inc  -  Unix Systems Support  -  Rutherford, NJ
(201) 896-7018  -  andys@sbi.com or asherman@sbi.com
"These opinions are mine, all *MINE*.  My employer can't have them."
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From: jsc@saxon.Eng.Sun.COM (John Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: copying to a folder with slocal and .maildelivery
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:15:36 GMT
Organization: SunSoft, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: saxon
In-reply-to: jsc@saxon.Eng.Sun.COM's message of 8 Jan 93 11:01:20


I just figured it out!

I refile the message into the desired folder and then use the 'R' result
flag to indicate the message is not considered delivered. It then gets
concatenated onto my /usr/spool/mail/$USER file, with all other
'undelivered' mail.

Subject "VNS"		   |	R	"/usr/mh/lib/rcvstore +vns"

--
	--- John
From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mh
Subject: Bug in mh-6.7.2
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products
NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com

We are trying to foward a message under MH-6.7.2.  It looks like MH takes
all "--------" lines and changes them to "- ---------" forwhatever reason.

It is also take  a line in the body, like:

-16

And changing it to :

-  -16

Is this fixed in 6.8?
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From: chrise@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Eich)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:06:21 GMT
Subject: rmmer bummer: recursion even w/$MH
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA