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From: ecunha@sumax.seattleu.edu (Erik Cunha)
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Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:07:27 GMT
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In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu> gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu
 (Greg Pallenik) writes:

>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine. 
>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?

Disagree:

 1)  Every request for background on Cardassians, O'Brien, Keiko, Molly,
stable wormholes, the Borg, the Bajora, Lwaxana Troi, Q, or the Trill will
be crossposted.

 2)  Every time there is a cross-over, including Lwaxana and Q, the
discussion would be crossposted.

 3)  The inevitable comparisons between TOS and TNG would be crossposted.

And as we were all recently reminded by Carraso, half the net posts before
looking at the newsgroups line.

 4)  specific to rec.arts.startrek.dsn:  Then there would be two newsgroups
with overlapping areas of discussion.

 5)  specific to rec.arts.startrek.current.dsn:  This would violate the
idea of the original split.

 6)  specific to alt.startrek.dsn:  VERY bad idea.  Almost everyone would
crosspost in order to be sure everyone would see their articles.

 7)  specific to the idea it could be started on a trial basis: 
Impossible.  Once created, it is not practically possible to remove a
newsgroup.  Too many sites automatically ignore rmgroup messages.  Just
look at the continued persistence of rec.arts.startrek.

-- Erik Cunha
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From: fice@ug.cs.dal.ca (Richard Fice)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:12:56 GMT

In article <sorensen.724542253@help.cc.iastate.edu> sorensen@iastate.edu (Jeffrey T. Sorensen) writes:
>For some reason, I cannot think of who Ronny Cox (playing Captain Jelico)
>is?  I have not seen the CoC episode yet, obviously.  Since I am going
>back to my hometown over Christmas (no FOX station) I wont see it till
>I return in January either.
>
>What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?

The Bad Guy.   8-)

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Subject: You lucky, lucky, lucky............people
From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk (Grant Doig)
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:06:25 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec13.182938.2639@netcom.com>, jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester) writes:
> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
> 
>>In accordance with the new schedule, promos for the next new ST:TNG episode
>>"Chain of Command Pt.2" (#237) were released today.  The actual program will
>>air starting on Saturday, December 19th.
> 
> In the East Bay Area, STTNG is aired on Wednesdays, so we get to see it
> on December 16!!!

dont rub it in, OK!!!

Personally, i may get to see it.........oh......about 1995 the way things are
looking........
> 
> I'm sure there must be a lot other areas the see Star Trek earlier than
> Saturdays,

we see it later!!!

sniff...sob.........cry etc...

> but I just had to let everyone know how excited--and lucky--
> I am to see it on Wednesday! =)
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:36:35 GMT
Organization: Calvin College


>>I think an interesting story would have Data offered a ship.

>I really don't see this as very likely, a captain must exercise human
>emotion/intuition etc. in his decisions, while Data can compute with the best
>of them and is coming around in the humanity department, he is not ready for a

Hmmm, I'd have to disagree. I think Data is more than great for the job.
I feel that emotions tend to get in the way of clear logically thinking 
more than help to solve a problem... I mean do you want to argue with an
angry person? or someone who's calm and logical? How often is someone
"blinded by love"? And Data does have the intuition... look at the way he
defeated the Romulans in the Klingon episode. I think Data'd make a very
effecient Captian...course I'd hate to be his number one! It'd be hard to
deal on a personal level with him is all.


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From: sysbrc@loki.albany.edu (Brian Cuttler)
Subject: Re: Cardasians, first episode.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:13:34 GMT

I think the episode was called "Ensign Ro".

Brian


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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Let's get one thing clear.  (Spoilers??)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:49:44 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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Sean D. Ackley (su@prag.com) wrote:
: 
: Possible spoilers?... [for "Chain of Command"]

> Picard is a good captain, but he would definately have to become more rigid
> during wartime.  Since he is usually a captain during peace time there is
> no way to judge what he would be like.

Actually, there is.  In "Yesterday's Enterprise" we see the Galaxy class
battleship U.S.S. Enterprise with Captain Picard in command.  His
actions were similar to Captain Jelico's.  

Mark Runyan {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
From: ckt0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES KEITH TESSLER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Where are the enlisted personal?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:26:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

It seems to me that Starfeet has a lot of Officers and no enlisted personel.
I can rember only two one is Chief O'brian (Chiefs are to the navy what
sargent's are to the army) a other was a one show charter named chewmen tarces
in the epsoed about a possable conspery on the enterprize. If a Lutent  (Warf)
is incaharg of securty that meas that all other security personal are suposed to
be Ensions or enlisted persionel. That dosn't leave mutch of a chain of
command?
 
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:27:06 GMT

Possible spoilers for Chain of Command...


Sorry but I have to ask, but was anyone else as shocked as I was to see Dr.
Crusher use her sexuallity to coerce the Farengi into providing transport?
It seemed a collosal blunder to have Beverly, the traditionally wholesome
mother figure, suddenly radiating sex. Out of character, IMHO. This is not
to say that I wasn't oddly pleased to see a side of the good doctor I've
never seen before. I guess what I'm saying is that while it was titillating,
keep these scenes to a minimum. I'd hate to see Beverly turn into a slut
like Troi(who, by the way, could never match Bev's performance in this
aspect). I can see that that I'm rambling, so I'll stop here.

So, I'm a fan of Beverly's. Shoot me.
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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:02:09 GMT

dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:

>>I think this kind of everyday life and comedy is lacking from TNG.   I want a
>>toilet scene, and I want it now.

>Ah yes, what a good idea. Take valuable air time, and waste it on... crap.

Hey, it's never stopped the Trek writers before!

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From: laurahal@microsoft.com (Laura Halliday)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:14:00 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: Lock the Romulans in the trunk.


Yes, of course, Rachel Garrett was head honcha on the Enterprise-C.

There are a few women I know of in real life who have that kind of
command presence, like Ann Richards and Barbara Roberts. In fiction,
how about Linda Hamilton's T-2 character? Or, of course, a joint command
held by Thelma Dickinson and Louise Sawyer?

...laura
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:58:29 EST

In article <rawdon.724652812@cs.wisc.edu>
rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
 
>
>In <168C01AFA.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>In article <rawdon.724529836@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>>In <HEM.92Dec16120711@col400.col400.att.com> hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>>>>   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>>>>   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>>>>   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>>>>   >always with American accents! :-)  )
>
>>>>Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
>>>>parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
>>>>secretly was non-human.
>
>>>Another in that episode was a black female.
>
>>>Then there was the USS Intrepid in Classic Star Trek, which had an all-Vulcan
>>>crew, including (one presumes) a Vulcan captain.
>>>Spock was captain of the Enterprise at the start of Star Trek II.
>>>The captain of the Enterprise 1701-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was female.
>>>The captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV was female (and black, if I
>>>recall correctly).
>
>>   So females and blacks are non-human?  :)
>
>No, but females are non-male, and the criteria listed above were "human, male
>and with an American accent".
>
>>   Adding to the list of "minority" captains:
>
>>   Terrell in Trek II was black;
>>   An Indian captain in Trek IV;
>>   Wasn't the captain of USS Yamata in "Contagion" black?
>>    ...and  WHY THE HELL HASN'T ANYBODY BROUGHT THIS ONE UP?  Sulu!!!!
>
>No one brought it up because the criteria didn't include "white", only "human,
>male, and with an American accent".
>
>>   Also, FYI, in Trek I, the C-in-C of Starfleet (not seen but mentionned)
>>was Nogura, most likely a Japanese;
>>   In Trek III, Adm. Morrow (who I believe was C-in-C, re: "Jim, you're the
>>best officer I got!) was black;
>>   In Trek V, the C-in-C was (probably) Jewish, since he was played by Harve
>>Bennett.
>
>I didn't bring these up because we were talking about captains, not commodores
>or admirals.
>
 
   OK.  I stand suitably chastised... :) :( :)
   Jeez, you can really get addicted to drawing these smilie thingies...
 
   Junsok Yang
 
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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Let's get one thing clear.  (Spoilers??)
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 14:58:30 GMT

In article <BzHBIx.BF9@cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
>Sean D. Ackley (su@prag.com) wrote:
>: 
>: Possible spoilers?... [for "Chain of Command"]
>

>> Picard is a good captain, but he would definately have to become more rigid
>> during wartime.  Since he is usually a captain during peace time there is
>> no way to judge what he would be like.
>
>Actually, there is.  In "Yesterday's Enterprise" we see the Galaxy class
>battleship U.S.S. Enterprise with Captain Picard in command.  His
>actions were similar to Captain Jelico's.  
>

No way! I happen to love Picard, but Jelico is actualy making the crew
do something for once.  Plain and simple, he has a mission, and HE is 
following it.  Even in Best of Both Worlds, he handled the borg situation
terrible to how I think Jelico would have.  The major difference between
the two is where Picard wants to talk, Jelico will shoot first and ask
questions later.  This is not always the way to go, but then again, it
does make for intresting TV :-)

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From: baarniy@iastate.edu (Scott A Coon)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:09:42 GMT
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Jellico <spoilers>
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:08:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I doubt that Jellico is a traitor, Troi would have picked up something...
"I feel he is hiding something!"  I didn't hear her make any such remark,
in fact her only insight was saying "He is not sure of himself".  This is
hardly foreshadowing for an Evil Jellico.

Mike
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:42:56 GMT
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Organization: Chevron

In article <sorensen.724542253@help.cc.iastate.edu>, sorensen@iastate.edu (Jeffrey T. Sorensen) writes:
|> For some reason, I cannot think of who Ronny Cox (playing Captain Jelico)
|> is?  I have not seen the CoC episode yet, obviously.  Since I am going
|> back to my hometown over Christmas (no FOX station) I wont see it till
|> I return in January either.
|> 
|> What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?

 Duh.... he was just the main villian in both!  Isn't it funny 
 that, in both, he meets his fate getting "blown outside"?

 He was also the police Lt in Beverly Hills Cop I & II

 TRAVIS
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Episode Argument
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:26:00 GMT
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:58:16 EST, djredick@bluemoon.use.com
(Darrin J. Redick) said :

DJR>> Having an argument.  What was the name of the episode where Riker gets tra
DJR>> in some alien holodeck and is convinced he is trapped by Romulans, latter
DJR>> find out it is some kids playhouse set up by his parents.
DJR>>
DJR>The episode is titled "Future Imperfect", which might imply a future
DJR>episdode titled "Past Perfect".

There WAS a "Past Imperfect", but bad timing caused it to go unfilmed.  It
was a very Beverly-inclusive episode, and Gates McF became quite pregnant
when the came up on the shooting schedule.  The story apparently contained
a substantial amount of history about Beverly's character, and was to
feature the return of Doug Wert as Jack Crusher (in flashbacks); a small
bit of it was recycled "Violations".

(No relation to the slated Deep Space Nine episode called "Past Prologue".)

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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
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Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:43:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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If Stewart leaves the show, I think that Riker (the character played
Frakes) will takes command because the TNG producer is in charge of Star Fleet.
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From: brewster@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: DS9 Dallas
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:29:22 GMT

For all you Dallas Folks.  KTXA Channel 21 will air DS9 on January 5 at 7 PM.
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:57:46 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec16.010527.12853@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>
>I think that your reasoning is kind of circular.  In order for women to be
>accepted as leaders, we need to have more women leaders, but they won't be
>accepted because there aren't very many, and around and around and around.
>The way to break this is to put women in positions of leadership and by
>doing so change people's perceptions.  I vote for a female captain!


This isn't circular reasoning, but a catch 22 situation. They apply to
minority groups as well as women, btw.  There are usually exceptions
to these situations. That's what affirmative action programs are meant
for, in part.




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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: Captain's Yacht Passenger List: Toonces, Clinton, Rager,...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:15:27 GMT

In article <92344.011345PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   I heard the president of Stanford has a real nice yacht--maybe they could
>recover some of the taxpayers' money they spent on fixing it up by renting it
>out to Paramount as a set. (:-)).  Sort of like Dave Barry's suggestion for
>reducing the federal deficit--rent out the Stealth bomber for proms.

     Weeeeellllllll, lookee what we got here.  A poor lost soul from
PSU who's gonna feel real bad when Stanford blows them out of the
subspace frequencies Jan. 1.  heh heh heh. :-)

     Anyway, on an unrelated thread, could someone PLEASE find me
Ensign Rager's name?  I just saw "Galaxy's Child" last night and she
was pretty prominent in it...called by the name "Rager" several
times...she almost always on the bridge.    Does anyone have the first
name of this character (it can be found in Schisms when they ask who's
missing off the ship, and I don't have a VCR :(  )  and who the
actress is, what she's done, etc.  I don't think this is in the FAQ
(much like Ensign Toonces wasn't "meow"!) but I could be wrong.  
     And if we're gonna discuss Prez. Clinton, let's talk about this:
does anyone know if he's a Trek fan?  Old or new?

     And finally, the real reason we've never seen Capt. Picard use
the yacht:
     
     "Damn it, number one, everytime I get on that thing I start to hear...
well, ....um...."
     "Yes, Captain?"
     <singing>"Love!!  <ba da bap ba ba>  Exciting and new..<boo doo
boo doo>  ..Come aboard, <boodoodle boodoodle doo>   we're expecting
you!!   Ca-lyp-so <be dah dah>  ,soon will be making another run...
Ca-lyp-so!  Promised adventure from sun to sun....  SET A COURSE
heading zero to start finding new frontiers....<de Dah DAAH>
And love... won't hurt anymore.... It's a friendly smile, from an
Orion Whore.....It's Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove....
Welcome aboard, it's Love!!"
     "Aye, sir."

Imagine Patrick Stewart actually singing this in tht voice of his a'la
_Allegiance_ when he was singing in Ten-Forward.  Then put on a new
pair of pants!
     I know it's been done before, but then so has everything in the
universe.  :-)

     Have a good one!
						Kevin Duckworth
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:29:54 EST
Subject: Re: Troi's rank

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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
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Subject: Re: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:35:00 GMT
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In article <BzEytF.E2F@cup.hp.com>, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes...
>Bruce James Robrert Linley (linley@netcom.com) wrote:
>> Possible spoilers for Chain of Command...
> 
>>
>Not at all, especially considering Dr. Crusher's hobby (`acting').  Much

Strange how both DR. Crusher and Gates McFadden treat acting as a hobby.
They should both try stamp collecting.

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