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From: kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague)
Subject: Re: snack.gif (0/12)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:38:18 GMT

kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague) writes:

>tld@moon.base.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson) writes:

>>Greetings...  I've been reading this group since it started; figured
>>it was time to contribute an item...

>>snack.gif is a fairly decent painting of a Lady who was rather
>>hungry...  Most computer-viewable vamp[iy]re artwork I've seen
>>is standard stock; this one's a bit better...  enjoy!

>How does one view this gif? I uudecoded it and tried to view it on a NeXT but
>all I got was a flocked-up screen.  I'm gonna go try and view it on my GS and
>see what happens.

Ok, I figured it out.  All I had to do was take out the headers on each file,
append them to one big file - no uudecoding needed.  

BTW: The picture is awesome!! I viewed it on a NeXT and it was great!

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From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:19:02 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BxGrAB.4Ms@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tonya@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lillie tonya l) writes:
> Is anyone out there interested in anything besides Anne Rice, Lestat or
> Dracula?  How about the vampire novels by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro?  and he
> her vampire characters: Saint-Germain, Madelaine or Olivia??

        I personnally love Jack the vampire reporter and detective in the
Vampire Files.                          

                                                Diana
From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Wyrewolves
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:53:12 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

> In article <1992Nov3.132024.1725@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.
> >Why would anyone WANT to be a vampire?  Don't vampires need to feed off the
> >blood of the living?  I wouldn't want that kind of curse.  Blood banks are n
> >an alternative either, because they are in short supply.  (Donate blood!)  N
> >werewolves on the other hand...they don't need blood, just food like the res
> >of us.  For me, lycanthropy would be the only way to go.
> 
> Hmm.  Well, with the kindred, it's a constant struggle between
> humanity and the beast within.  Lupines are quite the opposite--no
> struggle exists, either in full control of the humanity, or the beast.
> And blood itself is necessary, yes.  But, as one would note, not
> necessarily human.
> 
> Of course, a vampire doesn't have to KILL either.  It would be hard to
> retain ones humanity while murdering daily.
> 
> Greg
> 
       However, the actual mythology on vampires indicate that 
lycanthropes become vampires when they do.  A brief list of others in 
danger of resting unpeacefully after death (i.e. becoming vampires) 
include -- bastards, red-heads, witches, sorcerers, necrophiliacs, 
those who either reject their church or are excummunicated BY their 
church & .. of course .. those who are killed by either lycanthropes or 
vampires.........
                                          Melchar
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Vampires-evil
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:22:42 GMT

   I think it is justifiable to call vampires evil, or to be more precise,
it takes an evil person to make a good vampire. This statement is made on
the assumption that vampires kill people. If they do not need to kill
then there can be alot more leeway.
   To be a vampire that kills to live is to be a ruthless and selfish 
person. You must care about yourself much more than anyone else because
everyone is a potential target for you. You can't let yourself think
about the fact that you have destroyed another's life full of hopes
and dreams so that you can live a little longer, or that you must keep
doing this untill time finaly catches up with you. Everyone and everything
is subserviant to your needs. You must care about yourself enuogh that
you are willing to go through a meticulous cover up every time you kill.
Finaly you must be willing to live in fear. If you should ever be exposed
then you will be obliterated. 
  The qualities needed for living such a life would be a very strong will,
a lack of any conscience, and a ruthless selfishness that would enable 
you to destroy anyone that posed a threat to you without a seconed thought.
Romantic dreams pale in such a light.
  
        Cyrus
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Vampires evil
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:19:05 GMT

  The reason that vampires are normally decided to be of an evil bent
is because of what they do to survive. They assult and/or kill people.
In our society this is considered a crime. Assult and murder carry
some of the heaviest punishments on the lawbooks. Vampires were once 
people like us (that is if they exist), and were (hopefully) brought
up with these values. They are people trying to blend in with the 
rest of human society while breaking it's most important laws. To be
a vampire that goes around killing people is to be an evil thing. You
are killing people that were originally just like you.
    However, I'm not saying that to be a vampire you have to be evil.
If you drink from a willing partner (without coersion) who agrees to
let you drink then everythings fine. Assaulting someone isn't.
The problem is that it is almost impossible to find someone trustworthy
enough who will let you drink without telling anyone of your existance.
Back to mugging people. Even if you let a person live by making them
think they were knocked out and mugged, there is no real excuse. The 
vampire is no better than a common thug (except alot tougher).
   Cyrus
From: machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vlad?
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:30:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

The biggest connection between Vlad and Dracula is that Stoker used Vlad
as a basis for the fictional Dracula.
From: kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:12:31 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Keywords: Saint-Germain


In article <BxGrAB.4Ms@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tonya@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lillie tonya l) writes:
>Is anyone out there interested in anything besides Anne Rice, Lestat or
>Dracula?  How about the vampire novels by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro?  and he
>her vampire characters: Saint-Germain, Madelaine or Olivia??

Hmmmmm, why don't we talk about vampires in the sense of REAL vampires
not stories...

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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Back up your arguements, people!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:05:22 GMT

			I am yet another person who would like to see people
back up their accounts of what is "real" or "true" or "accurate" with SOURCES.
Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, you're just bullshitting. Even putting down
something as simple as "from my own personal experience, I..." is enough for me
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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (The Peacemaker)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:27:15 GMT


>What was evil again? ...
>Being evil is state dependant, or some such. ...

I can handle the concept of non-evil vampires.  In theory, vampires don't
have to kill people to get blood.  But once they start doing people, no
matter how sympathetic we might be to their fight for survival, killing
people is a bad thing and must be stopped.

>Now, to another vampire I doubt that a vampire would come across as
>being too terribly evil.

I'm not convinced of this.  Do serial killers think that other serial killers
are swell guys?  Evil is evil.  Just because a creature is evil doesn't mean
he or she can't recognize other evil creatures.

>It seems terrifically inane to quibble over trivialities of such
>minimal proportions however.

I'm not convinced of this either, and YOU took the time to post an article.
The question of whether human-killing vampires are inherently evil is crucial.
(The answer is yes, but it's the question that's important.)

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From: s_wilkin@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: vampires becoming rich
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:30:56 GMT
Organization: Tree of Woe, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Also If you suddenly realise you're a vampire and are technically immortal,
putting a large sum of money in a bank and letting it earn interest
for about 50 years while you sleep is always a good one...


Desperately needing a net-alias cos there's already a Simon out there...
aha...

Masquerade (not for the obvious reason either)
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vlad?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:09:46 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu  writes:
> v116qhth@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I'm not evil...I'm just good looking) writes:
> 
> >  What's the connection between Vlad (the Impailer I am assuming) and Dracula?
> >  Same guy?
> 
> 	The connection is this.  Vlad's father was called Dracul(sp?).
> 	The word Dracula means the son of Dracul(sp?).
> -- 
> 
> 	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission"
> 
>						Michael Lamanna
Further Info...
From what I know Dracul translates either to "dragon" or "demon", and was
the name of an order of Knights.  Therefore, Dracula means the son of the 
dragon or the son of the demon...

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on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
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From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: Anyone else excited?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:56:56 GMT

In article <l+_qxjf@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>
>Is anyone else just getting really excited about 'Dracula' on the 13th?
>Dunno about you, but the previews are really getting me quivering with
>anticipation :)
>It looks really good. 
>r.

For those of you with HBO, there is a terrific special running about the
making of the new Dracula movie. Excellent footage and filming scenes shot
in the raw. Lots of blood spurting scenes in this flick, and makeup that
should make the Oscars. But, the bat costume could have been better done.

-- 

               Life is too short, no matter how long you live.

                                                -- Michael Landon
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: How do vampires become rich?
Date: 04 Nov 92 18:14:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov3.153311@IASTATE.EDU> ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) writes:
>
>You cannot continue on your current job because
>after a few days, it will be very noticeable that
>you don't show up to work.  So you lose your income.

     You could get a night job.  Not very glamorous, certainly,
but it could make you some money.


>Naturally you can steal and presumably you are very
>strong and can detect humans, so robbing people
>and stealing from their house is not too hard.
>
>What else can you do? 

     You make a lot of very long term investments.  Even with a
small amount of initial capital, given enough time you can get
very, very rich.  A vampire has all the time in the world.  Sure,
you might not be living in splendor for the first hundred years
or so, but after that you'll be in the lap of luxury.
     It's also interesting to note that the necessary expenses for
a vampire really aren't all that high.  You don't need to buy food,
you can find shelter in the cheapest of basements, you really don't
need to buy fashionable clothes, you have no health care expenses,
etc.  Cheap livin' for a vamp!
					-Phil

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From: melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: vampires becoming rich
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:45:06 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:

> All right say you start out as an advrige person. Your first step would
> be to get set up some place were noone will ask questions like a big city.
> the best thing would be to by a cheap rundown house/building. Then you 
> decerate on what you can aford. You get your furniture at pawn shops and
> auctions as well as outher things. You by a painting you like on the street
> for a few bucks. 5-10 years later the artist is 'recognized' your painting is
> now worth more. 15-30 years after that the painter, now famis, dies. You then
> sale the painting which is now worth hunrids or thousinds of dolers. 50
> years from now the car you are driving could be worth a fortune. 80-100
> years from now things like the hard bound books you own, your little toys
> , the computer you are writing on will be anteques worth who knows how much.
> 
> ELF-KIN answere your question


      I believe the original poster was pointing out that an 'average 
guy' would (A) probably not be particularly good at picking out master 
artists when they are just starting out & (B) wouldn't have the money to 
pick up and move.
    Most night job pay near minumum wage (& wouldn't leave much time for 
hunting, to boot) -- so a newbei vamp might seriously have to worry about 
(A) losing their job; (B) becoming homeless; (C) starving unless they 
turn to crime/murder -- especially during down-turned economic times.
                                              Melchar
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel)
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:16:43 GMT

To Kendall: Not true... we talk about all aspects of vampirism
fictional and real..

As for Chelsea Q Yarbro... I have tried to mention her here a 
few times but people either haven't read her or are not entirely
interested.. I happen to thing she portrays/presents Vampires
much better than Anne Rice... Her whole St. Germain series is
well put together and cohesive (flows from one to another
without flaw) (sorry sometimes I use words improperly) and
are filled with real history to bring here characters and stories
more realism than Anne Rice...  I was dissapointed however
in here werewolf book (at least I was led to believe it
was about werewolves) 'False Dawn'. It was a yawner..

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From: mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie (Kubik)
Subject: Re: Werewolves
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:46:52 GMT

In <gRk2TB1w165w@west.darkside.com> melchar@west.darkside.com (Melchar) writes:

>      There was a report just released on CNN that said that after 10 
>years of detailed measurements, the AMA now says that infants and young 
>children grow in spurts of up to one inch a day (& then don't grow till 
>another spurt hits them).  This might explain the stretching he was 
>feeling.

Sorry, but I don't think so. (The original article was mine). The
stretching was more in the line of my face changing shape. I believed at
the time that it must have been some kind of possession, because as it
was happening, in my mind, I saw what I thought I wa sturning into. This
looked a little like the Devil/Demon in "Legend", that is, elongated, and
jutting jaw, wide cheek-bones... As the feeling wore off, I distinctly
felt myself _Returning To Normal_ So though it could well have been my
mind at work, maybe some novel kind of hallucination, I don't think it
could have been normal growth, sorry.

Thanks for your opinion,

Mark.

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From: jadair@cs.utexas.edu (John S. Adair)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: anne rice
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:21:13 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

Lots of talk about making a movie of _Lestat_, but so far that's it.
-- 
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: lestat
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:20:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <92309.150332JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Previously posted data on the pronuonciation of Lestat:
>]>>Could someone please post the phonetic spelling of LESTAT
>]>LEH stat
>]>(short a sound)
>]leh staut  (like the rope is taut (sp?) )
>  I thought it was [lay - stah]... French isn't too big on pronouncing "t"'s
>  at the end of words, if I'm not mistaken...

I always pronounced it 'Finch'.
r.
From: snx@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Shiva Nourpanah)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Vampires evil?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:43:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

To refer back to the points made about the evil-ness of vampires, I think the
"hunters and farmers kill animals for human survival => are just as bad as 
vampires" analogy is totally false; The problem with vampires is not what they
 actaully do, but what they represent; after all, any wolf or bear will hunt
 and eat a  human for survival under circumstance, yet nobody ever condemnded
 them as evil, UNLESS they started creating a reign of terror and fear through
 their actions, which is what the vampires do. From what I've seen from 
various horrors vampires represent a kind of paralysing terror and horror,
 fear of satanic forces, moral decay and corruption (seducing innocent village lasses
and the like) which is why they are called evil. Also they seem to be able to change
a human's nature or possess it's soul, now that is also evil, and something which
even the most concsientious (sp?) vegetarian must admit that no farmer did to his
cows.
Cheers, Evie


 
 
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From: modowd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael T. O'Dowd)
Subject: Re: lestat
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:50:00 GMT

In article <92309.150332JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Previously posted data on the pronuonciation of Lestat:
>
>]>>Could someone please post the phonetic spelling of LESTAT
>]>
>]>LEH stat
>]>(short a sound)
>]>
>]leh staut  (like the rope is taut (sp?) )
>
>  I thought it was [lay - stah]... French isn't too big on pronouncing "t"'s
>  at the end of words, if I'm not mistaken...
>                                            - Jonathan

Anyone wanna set up Mrs. Rice with an account?

-- 

               Life is too short, no matter how long you live.

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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Vampire LARP
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:02:23 GMT

I read this in alt.games.frp.live-action and I'm reposting it without
the author's permission (CARDINAL SIN!!!).  But I'm sure he wont mind...
I hope ;^)


Article: 62 of alt.games.frp.live-action
Organization: Masters student, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.games.frp.live-action
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 09:03:48 -0500 
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Subject: Announcing: "By Dawn's Early Light"
 
 
 
        For those of you who read and were interested by my 
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        I have spoken to the chief GM recently (last night) and 
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        1)  4 More GMs.
        2)  More Clearly stated Goals.
        3)  The Combat system is being speeded up.
 
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