HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: Back out from the quit (y/n) ?
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:17:53 GMT

In <Bz9E57.Du9@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>In article <1ghumeEINNsvg@uni-erlangen.de> horst@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Horst Luehrsen) writes:
>>>I would like something like this too. Every once in a while I'll type "s" when
>>>I meant "d" and the only way out without typing a valid name is the
>>>"^\" (QUIT signal).
>>No! Just type <backspace>, then <return>.
>Yes, lots of places let you back out by making the address/subject/filename
>or whatever blank.  This should be better documented (perhaps it should
>show below the prompt for beginning users), and a consistant method of
>backing out from the other prompts should be added, especially for the
>quit command.

Well, that was I had been doing (backing up).  I was hoping that someone
would have a better method that that.

I would definitely vote (if anyone's counting) for having something like
ctrl-g (good precedent for this in Emacs and nn) as a "go back to menu" key.

Rob
--
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 money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they do with it.
 Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating jobs." -- Dave Barry
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3711 comp.os.vms:19213
From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: converting VMS MAIL folder to elm
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:36:56 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com

Followups redirected to comp.os.vms.

In article <1992Dec13.202918.798@chpc.utexas.edu>
michael@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke) writes:

:Does someone has the opposite?  Unix to VMSmail?

I imagine a "straight" conversion would be difficult -- how would one
handle things like "Reply-To:" headers?  What should the Unix-VMS
header munger do?

						...Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Building 2.4.13 on a Sun 386i
Reply-To: cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:29:10 GMT

I am still trying to get elm built on our Sun 386i machines with no
luck.  Last time I posted the list of undefined symbols, I was told
that I needed to do something with nls.  Sadly, I don't even know what
nls is, much less how to cope with it if it is misbehaving.  Can anyone
out there give me any more specific information?  Also, has anyone else
ever tried to build elm on a 386i?  Were you successful?

BTW, where the heck does "elm" come from, anyway?  Is it short for
something, or am I missing some obvious connection to trees?

Thanks!

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: francisr@stupid.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis)
Subject: Forwarding didn't use to edit things if I didn't ask
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:58:15 GMT


I just upgraded to PL17 yesterday.  I've discovered something I don't
think existed in PL13.  If I want to forward a message, I'm asked if I
want to edit it.  If I said no, then the entire thing was left alone.

Now I get whatever value "prefix" is set to in my elmrc slapped in
front of the message.  I would assume that when I say "Don't edit" it
would mean "don't do anything to the file".  Just a thought.  It
didn't use to be like this, did it?

-rob
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francisr@indiana.edu (812)855-0327
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Subject: Re: Elm Encryption
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:19:04 GMT

hogan@radiomail.net (Emmett Hogan) writes:
>What would be really nice, would be all of the stuff from PGP somehow  
>rolled into elm.  Of course, we wouldn't want to get involved in all the  
>legal hassles the author of PGP has brought upon himself.  But it would be  
>nice to build into elm:

>	- Public Key Encryption
reasonable, thru some filter arrangement ?
>	- Public Key Distribution
seperate issue, not related to elm, except in that elm may use information so
distributed.
>	- Digital Signatures based upon Public/Secret Keys
also reasonable, also seems like should be doable via a filter.

Sm
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: edit buffer lost at disconnection
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:25:10 GMT

In article <Bz5u6K.7En@iat.holonet.net> dattier@orac.holonet.net (DWT) writes:

>T> HOW can I keep Elm from removing $tmpdir/snd.$$ upon hangups?  I think Elm
>T> should remove that file only when the user exits the editor (and the header
>T> editing screen) and issues a s)end or f)orget command.
>
>[This solution] would get forced on all users.  [I'm the only user with
>the problem, and recompiling with those lines of code commented out would
>require all users to rm their $tmpdir/snd.$$ files by hand.  I'd put up with
>that as the cost of the cure, but why should everyone else on ddsw1?]

Wouldn't this solution cause the temporary snd file to linger *only*
upon hangup?  That seems to me like the optimal default behavior, with
a possible user-settable option to override it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Elm folder locking problems
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:09:40 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

samuele@syma.sussex.ac.uk wrote in <1992Dec7.172021.13658@syma.sussex.ac.uk>:

| The problem is
| the fact that Elm doesn't honour the locks placed by procmail - if it did
| then it would just have to wait until procmail removed the locks and then
| the read would work fine.

Ah, but for your main incoming mailbox you can make procmail honor the locks
placed by Elm.  For other folders you can use procmail's lockfile utility to
let the mail user agent get and hold the lock until you're done.

If you tell procmail to use /tmp/mbox.$USER as a local lockfile on any recipe
that delivers to your main mailbox (called $ORGMAIL in procmail parlance, and
to which procmail's $DEFAULT variable is usually equal as well), that should
make procmail wait for Elm if you're already reading mail (and Elm refuse to
start while procmail is delivering to your main mailbox).  You'll have to
exit Elm and return for your waiting mail to get delivered, but that beats
a corrupted mailbox.

| Ermmm, so if I want to try and fix Elm so that it looks for locks on
| folders before it resyncs them then this might do the trick, and I could
| then give this to the dev group for the next version?

I don't see any need to change Elm.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
From: dbasinge@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: running auto-reply
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:12:14 GMT
Organization: Indiana University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Do you have to do anything special to get auto reply to work other
than running aredaemon???


Mike


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Compressed folders to Elm?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:25:36 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

jms@informix.com (Jack Stephens) wrote in <jms.723516884@wits-end>:

| My suggestion would be to have the compression done on a "mail session"
| basis.  All currently uncompressed folders could re compressed at either
| user option (more interface commands, sigh) or on folder-resync. 

| ...  using session-level compression assures that
| the compression cost is paid only once, essentially.

The potential drawback, on systems where disk space is tight, is that there
may be insufficient room available or allowed to uncompress all folders at
the same time.  The easy answer to that is to delete mail that isn't needed
there on line, but to remove selected letters from folders you have to
uncompress all folders at once, so the easy answer can't be applied.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@orac.holonet.net (DWT)
Subject: Re: edit buffer lost at disconnection
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:01:31 GMT

In article <1g8u2kINNsvs@dsinc.dsi.com> syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) replied
to my question from article <Bz28FM.Mq6@ddsw1.mcs.com>:

T> HOW can I keep Elm from removing $tmpdir/snd.$$ upon hangups?  I think Elm
T> should remove that file only when the user exits the editor (and the header
T> editing screen) and issues a s)end or f)orget command.

W> The code that does this is in src/util.c, in the leave function.
W> You need to delete or comment out the lines that 'delete' the edit buffer.

Sorry for not making this clear: I need a user-level solution, not an admin-
istrator-level solution.  (1) It requires me to importune someone else to
implement it.  (2) It would get forced on all users.  [I'm the only user with
the problem, and recompiling with those lines of code commented out would
require all users to rm their $tmpdir/snd.$$ files by hand.  I'd put up with
that as the cost of the cure, but why should everyone else on ddsw1?]

Les Mikesell emailed me a suggestion that I change $editor in my .elm/elmrc
to a script like this:

ln $1 safedirectory
exec vi $1

and it's working very well.  In my logout routines (called up only when I
sign out voluntarily and not executed when I fall off line) I simply added
rm -f safedirectory/snd.*

The only change I've made to Les's suggestion is to redirect ln's stderr to
/dev/null because of the complaint it makes because the two names are already
linked when I re-enter the editor to make more changes before sending a
letter.  (Note that in my elmrc tmpdir is set to a directory under my $HOME,
so finding another directory on the same filesystem to use as the safe
directory was not an obstacle.)

Disclaimer: I'm having the hangup problem on ddsw1, where I posted the
original question, not on HoloNet, where I am posting this follow-up.

David W. Tamkin   P. O. Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@{holonet.net|gagme.chi.il.us}  CIS: 73720,1570   MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Names appearing funny in index
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:42:28 GMT

Does anyone offhand know how in 2.3 I can change the way elm displays names
on the index page?  I regularly get mail from a mass-mail account that ID's
itself as "The Devil Himself!!!"  (Duke hoops info)  However, all elm
displays is the last exclamation point.  Can this be changed?

-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

   linky@uiuc.edu	"It's so weird to see Chris on the end of the bench!"
						-- My mom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.os.vms
From: michael@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke)
Subject: Re: converting VMS MAIL folder to elm
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:29:18 GMT

In article <ROB.92Dec12151131@icarus.ssd.loral.com> rob@icarus.ssd.loral.com (Rob Riepel) writes:
>
>In article <johnson.3.724125554@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
>    johnson@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Glenn Johnson) writes:
>
>> Is there a way to convert VMS MAIL folders to elm format?
>> (Preserving the dates and original sender etc.)
>
>Time to post this again:  VMS FORTRAN program to convert VMSmail folders to
>                          Unix mail folders.
>
[neat program deleted]

Does someone has the opposite?  Unix to VMSmail?

Michael
-- 
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Astronomy, UT Austin, Texas
(michael@io.as.utexas.edu or UTSPAN::UTADNX::IO::MICHAEL [SPAN])
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Back out from the quit (y/n) ?
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:41:02 GMT

horst@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Horst Luehrsen) writes:

>>Every once in a while I'll type "s" when I meant "d"
>>and the only way out without typing a valid name is the "^\" (QUIT signal).
>
>No! Just type <backspace>, then <return>.

A much easier way is this:The command "^u" (control-u).
This will clear the input line.
Then type enter - yes, enter an _empty_ line as your answer as to where
to save the article(s).
ELM then will not do anything.

Sven :)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: torenvl@ecf.toronto.edu (TORENVLIET GERARD LAWRENS)
Subject: Aliases not working in Elm 2.3...
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:48:48 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: a-n@nwu.edu (A. Natarajan)
Subject: Does Filter recognize aliases?
Originator: nataraj@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Keywords: Filter, aliases
Reply-To: a-n@nwu.edu (A. Natarajan)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL 60208
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:14:02 GMT

System: Sun 4m running 4.1.2_DB 14

Elm: 2.3 PL 11

Can filter recognize aliases in its rulesets?  My .elm/filter-rules
contains the following rules:

if ( subject contains "FORTRAN" ) forward "ftnlist"
if ( subject contains "data" ) forward "dblist"

My .elm/aliases.text contains lines as follows:

ftnlist = FORTRAN Users = user1@fqdn1, user2@fqdn2
dblist = DataBase Users = user3@fqdn3, user4@fqn4

I have run "elmalias -q" to update the list of aliases.

Filter leaves all the mail that would have been forwarded in
EMERGENCY_MBOX.

So I thought that maybe filter hands off outgoing mail to "sendmail" or
"mail" rather than "elm" itself, and I created a .mailrc file in my $HOME
with the same aliases as above: (note: I can't run newaliases, and I don't
need to?)

ftnlist FORTRAN_Users user1.... etc.
(Note the underscore)

No dice - filter hands off the stuff to EMERGENCY_MBOX again.

I cannot see anything in the Filter Guide( dated May 1, 1990).  I must be
doing something stupid, would appreciate a pointer or two.  Sorry if this
is a FAQ.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: stucki@math.fu-berlin.de (Christoph von Stuckrad)
Subject: Re: 'Copy' ignored in 'send-menu' ???
Keywords: Mail lost
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:28:02 GMT

syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>Yup, you never sent the message, thus its not in the folter.
>You have to actually send it to have it 'copied', the copy
>is at send time (you are telling Elm where to put the copy at send time.)

Well, I see...
So the only way to 'backtrack' out of 'creating a message' is to save
it 'via the editor' ???

The original Problem was somebody loosing 'pages' of mail-message
(not knowing much about editing/saving/restoring)
trying to save her message because she had to leave suddenly.

I would like to have something like 'dead.letter' in the S)end-menu
and not the '/tmp/snd...' which will be forgotten.
(Like it is done in 'Send-Only-Mode' already).

Stucki
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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4.17 getarpdate.c problem on Ultrix 4.2
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:59:19 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.081310.13005@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> pete@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pete Schmitt) writes:
>>cc  -O -I../hdrs    -c getarpdate.c
>>ccom: Error: getarpdate.c, line 110: redeclaration of timezone
>>        extern  time_t  timezone;
>>      --------------------------^
>>(ccom): getarpdate.c, line 110: cannot recover from earlier errors: goodbye!
>>        extern  time_t  timezone;
>>      --------------------------^
>>*** Error code 1
>>

>I have also seen the same problem with lib/getarpdate.c on my Ultrix 4.2
>boxes.  However, the same sources have compiled w/o problems on my
>386/Ix and HP-UX 8.* systems.

This seems to be caused by many boxes having tzname in time.h
but having it protected by _POSIX_SOURCE.  We are trying another
tweak on Configure to 'preprocess' time.h before looking for tzname.

In the interim, if you see this, just try toggling d_tzname at the end
of the configure run.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2.4 pl 17 doesnt clean compile on hpux 8.07
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:22:33 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Keywords: CM_*  Missing Defines
Organisation: Wassat?!

HP-UX cheops A.08.07 A 9000/750 2008209010

I recently ftp'd elm 2.4 pl 13 from marlin.jcu.edu.au and installed the
patches from 14 to 17. Then i went thru the config script as normal and
ran a make. Below are the relevant results and the output of a
'find . -exec grep CM_ {}\; -print' from the top directory in the elm dist
to identify other possible problems.  Ive checked the /usr/include tree
and nothign matching the CM_ defines are in there. Someone out there have
any pointers on where to find the definitions?

Thanks,
Mark
mark@coombs.anu.edu.au

P.S. I think patch 14 died as doc/Makefile wasnt the 5.4 version if that
	 is in anyway relevant.. all the other patches worked fine.

----- output from make (the relevant part thereof) ------
cd src; make -b all
		cc  -O -I../hdrs    -c file.c
		cc: "file.c", line 413: error 1588: "CM_UPDATE_STATUS" undefined.
		*** Error code 1

--- Start of grep... format is PATTERN \n matching filename ------
	copy_message("", fd, CM_UPDATE_STATUS);
./src/file.c
	int remove_header = cm_options & CM_REMOVE_HEADER;
	int remote = cm_options & CM_REMOTE;
	int update_status = cm_options & CM_UPDATE_STATUS;
	int remail = cm_options & CM_REMAIL;
	int decode = cm_options & CM_DECODE;
	if ((cm_options & CM_MMDF_HEAD) && strcmp(buffer, MSG_SEPARATOR) == 0)
./src/fileio.c
	copy_message("", temp, CM_UPDATE_STATUS);
	copy_message("", temp, CM_UPDATE_STATUS);
./src/leavembox.c
	( noheader ? CM_REMOVE_HEADER : 0 ) | CM_MMDF_HEAD | CM_DECODE);
	( noheader ? CM_REMOVE_HEADER : 0 ) | CM_MMDF_HEAD);
./src/mailmsg2.c
	copy_message("", mailfd, CM_REMOTE | CM_MMDF_HEAD | CM_REMAIL);
./src/remail.c
	copy_message("", fpout, CM_DECODE);
./src/showmsg.c
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Building 2.4.13 on a Sun 386i
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:14:28 GMT

cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) writes:

>I am still trying to get elm built on our Sun 386i machines with no
>luck.  Last time I posted the list of undefined symbols, I was told
>that I needed to do something with nls.  Sadly, I don't even know what
>nls is, much less how to cope with it if it is misbehaving.  Can anyone
>out there give me any more specific information?  Also, has anyone else
>ever tried to build elm on a 386i?  Were you successful?

I found it best (not only on 386i but other systems as well) to just
stick with the 2.3 version of Elm.  The 2.4 version seems to have lots
of problems compiling on various machines, has funny patches that require
you to manually edit files instead of following "normal" "patch" techniques,
and has problems dealing with domains if you don't manually edit the
config file.  In contrast, elm2.3 compiles "out of the box", and works
well on the platforms I manage.

>BTW, where the heck does "elm" come from, anyway?  Is it short for
>something, or am I missing some obvious connection to trees?

ELectronic Mail?
I haven't been able to get any of my users to actually call it ELM
anyway.  They seem to insist on calling it E L M.  No matter I guess :-)

-- 
heiser@world.std.com
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3689 comp.os.vms:19164
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: converting VMS MAIL folder to elm
Summary: help!
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <johnson.3.724125554@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, johnson@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Glenn Johnson) writes...
# 
#Is there a way to convert VMS MAIL folders to elm format?
#(Preserving the dates and original sender etc.)

	The best way is to use callable mail routines, going sequentially
	through all messages in all folders, extracting text and header
	information as you see fit.

#Also, how are VMS mail folders deleted?

	By deleting (or MOVing) all messages out of a folder, that
	folder ceases to exist.  

#Thanks in advance,
#Glenn
# 
#*************************************************************************
#Glenn Johnson
#johnson@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov

	Ehud

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From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner)
Subject: Deleting Aliases
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:33:34 GMT


Hello, everyone.

Yesterday, I attempted to delete an alias in Elm.  Even though the 
database was updated (that's what Elm claimed, anyway), the alias refused 
to be deleted.  I finally left Elm somewhat perplexed.  This
morning when I logged on, the alias was indeed gone.

I repeated the procedure.  This time, though, the alias was properly
deleted the first time; that is, it failed to show up when I performed an L
command.

What's going on here?  Am I losing my marbles?  :-)

Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: `nroff' copyright symbol macro "\(co" problem
Originator: lewart@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: UIUC Physics Department
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:46:17 GMT

Many of the files in the Elm doc subdirectory include what appears to be
an `nroff' copyright symbol macro:
	\(co
Sadly, our AIX 3.2 `nroff' converts it to the following nonsense:
	^[8c^[9
where ^[ is the ESC character.  ^[8 restores the cursor from its previously
saved position.  ^[9 is not defined.

Do all other `nroff's recognize this macro?  If not, could instances of
the string "\(co" be replaced with the string "(C) "?

I haven't seen this issue addressed in the FAQ or in comp.mail.elm.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm