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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: African-American (was Re:  the video)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:39:26 GMT

In article <mattm-151292141538@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>I'm afraid, dahhh-ling, that you are attending what is affectionately
>known as the Politically-Correct Center of the Universe.  Even 
>Berkeley marvels at the multi-cultural ringer through which
>the Stanford student's mind is washed...  ERrrr..  Enlightened.
>
>Stanford campus is about as indicative of the Bay Area as
>Bakersfield.

Okay, okay, I cease and decist.  You're right.  Stanford is probably
not the best place to come from when trying to be objective.  I've
been indoctrinated.  I admit it.  (Oh the Shame!  *hangs head*)

>
>All this aside, African-American doesn't deserve classification
>as a 'stupid' term, 

This is my point.  I guess I just overblew it.  My apologies for
stridency.  It doesn't make the point any less valid, however....

>but it gets *very* tiring listening to someone
>use it again and again in regular conversation, if for no other
>reason than it's somewhat cumbersome (certainly more so than 
>'black').

I guess I'm just used to it.  But even I, Stanford student that I be,
rarely hear the term used *all the time*.  It certainly would sound
cumbersome.

However, the post that I was defending (which contained the term) used
it only once, and I think that ranting and raving about a single use
of the term (which I think of as a perhaps less colloquial and more
academic term than the equally non-offensive 'black') was out of
place.  That is my only point, and I'll say no more about it (much to
delight of everyone, I'm sure :)

If you have any more comments about this subject, please direct them
to me (or whoever) via e-mail.  Now back to our regularly scheduled
utterly non-heavy discussions of a fun show...

--scoT

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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: DONNA FINALLY GETS HER DAY!
Summary: (But she still looks to thin.)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:00:38 GMT


I'm so happy.  Donna finally got a nice, big part.  She deserves it.

Aside from the amazingly annoying "Wonderful Life" spoof, this was
actually a pretty good show.  The professor guy (never can remember
his name) looks *really*hot* without his beard.  

Wonder what that cryptic smile that Teasley gave Steve near the end
meant?  If she lets him out of detention for good behavior, I'll blow.

--scoT

p.s. Dylan, get a life!  Choose Kelly!  Pleeeeeeez!

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:20:48 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec18.164515.3917@cs.tulane.edu> jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella) writes:
>This would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that it is California
>University, and *NOT* Univ. of Cal. that they're all talking about going
>to... isn't it?

I do believe (and one of you Left Coast types correct me if I'm wrong)
(That's you, Larry :-) ) there is no such thing as "California
University".  Just like there's no "West Beverly High".  CU is referred
to in the show as "a State school that's right up there with those
expensive private schools".  Well, when I think good state schools in
California, the first thing I think if is Cal/Berkeley.  (Not to say the
others aren't good, but like when you think of good state schools here
in NC, you think UNC-Chapel Hill, not NC State, which is actually better
in several areas)

It just seemed to me that "California University" was an analogue to U.
of Cal.-Berkeley. (Or just Cal, in sports lingo)  

- Rob Mac K



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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re:  the video
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:25:06 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.90210

In article <1992Dec15.203507.19219@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) wrote:

> >>term.  Others don't prefer other terms.  The term "African-American"
> >>is a pretty well accepted, mainstream term.  Just because for some
> >>reason you personally don't like it is no reason for you to label it
> >>PC and call it a "stupid" term.

> >O yeah? How mainstream and well accepted is it?

> It's in common usage here in the Bay Area.  I hear it on the news all
> the time.  There's a linguistics class here at Stanford called
> "African-American Vernacular English"

I'm afraid, dahhh-ling, that you are attending what is affectionately
known as the Politically-Correct Center of the Universe.  Even 
Berkeley marvels at the multi-cultural ringer through which
the Stanford student's mind is washed...  ERrrr..  Enlightened.

I related, elsewhere, a story about a grammar checker at Stanford
that turned out the sentence:

   We are in the African-American.

The original sentence, of course, was "We are in the black" - 
meaning, within budget.  Stanford campus is about as indicative of
the Bay Area as Bakersfield.

All this aside, African-American doesn't deserve classification
as a 'stupid' term, but it gets *very* tiring listening to someone
use it again and again in regular conversation, if for no other
reason than it's somewhat cumbersome (certainly more so than 
'black').
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From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Heathers quiz
Keywords: Heather, very, trivia
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:46:00 GMT


With the recent rash of Heather's comments on the net--I have to try out my
new trivia quiz on you.  This is by no means complete, but I've seen the
movie about 100 times now so I know more trivia about it than I should. 
Watching the movie again to help you is cheating--but always a fun time.

1.  What is the brand name of food or drink that pops up at least 5 different
    times throughout the movie?
2.  What is the name of the moving company used by JD and his father?
3.  What was Westerburg High's mascot?
4.  What flavor of slushee does Veronica order?
5.  What was being served for lunch the first time the cafeteria is shown?
6.  What flavor of CornNuts does Heather want? 
7.  Where was the party being held?
8.  What is the order of the speakers at Heather Chandler's funeral (the shots
    by the coffin)
9.  What book was on the coffee table Heather crashed through (Cliff Notes for
    the book, anyway) Why is that significant?
10. How did JD's mother die?
11. What famous acting family does the actress who played Betty Finn come from?
12. Who sang the version of "Que Sera, Sera" that played during the final
    credits?
13. What was the actual name of the group that performed "Teenage Suicide--
    Don't Do It" by Big Fun?
14. How long was school canceled for Heather's death?  For Kurt and Ram's deaths15. What was Heather Duke doing when she heard about Martha Dumptruck's suicide
    attempt?
16. What was the name of the Hot Probs DJ?
17. What was unusual about the character of Martha Dumptruck?  What was her real    last name?
18. What was the camp Heather and Martha went to?
19. Who was the Best Boy in the production?
20. Who was the costume designer?
			QUOTE SECTION!!!!!!!
1.  ---- me gently with a --------!
2.  In a ---- -- ------- ------------. . .
3.  Are we going to ---- or to ----!
4.  No, you took this as yet another opportunity to play let's ---- --- -- ---
    ------!
5.  Greetings and -----------.
6.  Gee, God, why did you have to kill such --- -----?
7.  Kurt and Ram had a little ---------- in your mouth last night.
8.  Veronica, why are you ------- -- ----?
9.  Chaos is what ------ --- ---------, -------!
10. Suicide is a ---- -------- -----.

Hope ya liked it!

Christine
				
		"Veronica, why are you pulling my dick?"
			--Heathers (okay, that's a freebee)
From: suckafdg@w204zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Susan Thunder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Soundtrack, in reality
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:24:12 GMT
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
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Keywords: List of songs used on the show, please!

In article <105010@bu.edu>, rreeves@acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves) writes:
|> 
|> 	Since the 9021zero soundtrack (IMHO) doesn't really reflect what is actually played on the shows, could somebody (or everybody) help me think of stuff that HAS been played on TV.  So far, all I remember is:
|> 		Soho:		HippyChick  (Brenda moves out/Brandon's first..)
|> 
|> 		REM		LosingMyReligion ("Dylan, we should break up..)
|> 
|> Anybody else have any favourites?

Leslie Gore:  It's my party  (First season, Brenda acts as waitress w/ NY accent)
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:34:03 GMT

In article <-8j2a4a@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>In <phoebe-141292114054@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> phoebe@pop.cis.yale.edu (Phoebe Moore) writes:
>
>>You know, I might be the only one in the universe, but I don't hate Brenda.
>> Yes, she is whiny.  But I think, in the whole situation with Kelly and
>>Dylan that Kelly was the villain.  It's one thing to have a short, random
>>hookup with a cool guy in a foreign country when you are otherwise
>>committed.  It's another to get together repeatedly with your BEST FRIEND'S
>>BOYFRIEND.  I think both things are dishonest and hurtful, but Kelly's
>>seems worse to me; her action hurts Brenda in two ways, not just one.  Does
>>anyone else feel this way?
>
>Not really.  True, Kelly deserves some blame, but I think Dylan deserves
>most of it.  Kelly kept trying to Dylan at a safe distance, but Dylan
>kept pushing the issue anyway.  He never once bothered to consider how
>his actions might affect Brenda.  Kelly, on the other hand, was very 
>concerned about how it would affect Brenda.  The fact that she ultimately
>gave in was because a) Dylan was so persistent, and b) she's only human.
>It doesn't absolve her from guilt, but it does put things in perspective.
>--
>Trip Martin
>night@acm.rpi.edu


I never thought Kelly deserved the "slut" image, and I think that she
basically means well (unlike Brenda).  I also think that one of the
best things about the ease with which Kelly and Dylan got together is
that it shows that Bren and Dylan were *not* meant to be, at least in
Dylan's mind.

Certainly Kelly and Dylan could (and perhaps should) have gone about
it differently.  But the point made above about it being mostly
Dylan's fault is a valid one, IMHO.  Dylan seemed to have few qualms
about getting together with Kelly, while Kelly had to be convinced
(though I wasn't very hard).  I think the two girls' current feelings
toward Dylan testify to the fact that they thought Dylan was mostly to
blame.  

--scoT

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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Favorite lines from Heathers
Keywords: opie opie
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:34:15 GMT


In article <Saybruch-really-sux@delilah.web.cis.yale.edu> warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) writes:

[ great article by Matthew about "Heathers" deleted" ]

>-- 
>Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
>"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."


Yes.  Totally.

Sorry if I repeated Matthew's opinions in my article, and sorry if it
was too much info.  It also finals week here, and I'm in
analytical-thought mode.

--scoT


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Subject: Re: the video
From: sbrack@jupiter (Steven S. Brack)
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:24:57 EST
Reply-To: sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu 
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kimber@athena.mit.edu (Kimberly Jackson) writes:
: 
: My friends and I all think this sound tract and video thing is sort of bugged.
: 
: We've been die hard 90210 fans since day one, and almost died and went to 
: heaven when they had the black family on for one episode (actually I remember
: the son on another episode or two).  Anyway, now they have a little black 
: kid as a nerd and an object for Steve to step on.  My question is, Why do all 
: these people listen to dance music and hip-hop (mostly black artists)?...
: our answer is that in Beverly Hills, it's cool to listen to "black" music
: and admire "black" things, but not cool enough to have good black characters.

	I kind of think that the presence of a black "nerd" goes a long way 
	toward breaking many stereotypes about the intellectual abilities and
	academic interests of black teens.  
: 
: Question #2:  You get a black artist to do a song (Shanice) and suddenly the
: backdrop of the video (I think we are to assume it as West Beverly High) 
: is full of black people.  Where did they all come from? Is it a plot to keep 
: the black audience satisfied?. . .if we were looking for that, we would have 
: stopped watching this show a long time ago. . .

	I agree that the show doesn't provide a good racial mix, but that
	makes it like 99% of the stuff on TV today.  Unfortunate, but by no
	means a uniques situation.  

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From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: 12/16/92
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:47:39 GMT
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In article <1gqra9INN6m3@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>Karl MacRae (kmac@cisco.com) wrote:
>> Aside from the utterly inane (And very badly written) 'Angel'
>> crap, the storyline was stupid;
>
>There was a storyline?

	You must have been off getting a snak at that point. Or maybe
	you just blinked.

>Those guys have all been under a lot of emotional pressure the last six
>months or so, ever since late last season when Mr. Walsh got upset with
>Dylan.


	Who, the writers?


			-Karl

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Sociology 90210
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:31:50 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


It's about 4:30 in the morning and I just finished my sociology
take-home final exam.

To give you some idea of my state of mind, on the final page I 
referred to Cindy Walsh as the typical TV mom who is responsible
for perpetuating the male dominance ideology.  Partly responsible,
at least.  (Didn't mean to leave the whole thing on the Walsh's
doorstep.  Brandon might find it and launch a crusade in the _Blaze_
to end male dominance in Western society.  (Not that that might not
be a bad thing...)

Just thought I'd let everyone know 90210 made it into my final.  I
know you all were worried.

- Rob Mac K
Frazzled Engineer in a Sociology Elective


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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: the Heights: RIP
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:58:57 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Dec20.183910.14729@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>To the (stupid) fan of "The Heights":
>	Thank God, that stupid show was cancelled. It was dumb from the start
>and from what I can see, the only people who miss it are the top 40 radio 
>DJ's with nothing new to play.......Of course, there's always Whitney Houston!

	There are many fans of the Heights, thank you very much.  And if
you read this newsgroup, I would have thought you would have realized how
childish it is to call any fan stupid.  Haven't we learned anything from all
these past zillion flame-wars?  Please grow up before you post again.

	And for the last time, NO, "The Heights" has not been
cancelled...to the best of my knowledge.  This comes directly from the
local Fox affiliate's Programming Director.  I called her up and she
assured me that the show was not cancelled but put on hiatus
"indefinitely."  If this has changed and someone has official proof, then
please correct me.  I called them about 3 or 4 weeks ago.
	The music aside, I would have to say that The Heights is probably
Spelling's best show running.  God knows, it's better than 90210 (and no,
I am not putting down 90210, I read this newsgroup as a fan, not a flamer).
The first episode wasn't so hot, but later on the show got much better.  I
can't stand people who flame things based on a small sample.  For example, Get
a Life started out great, but after watching the entire first season, I
decided it possibly the worst show on TV, heck, I could've watched National
Geographic and gotten more laughs.  But the pilot episode was one of the
funniest things I've ever seen.
	
In another article, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu writes:
>It was a ratings disaster for FOX, and some affiliates were making
>plans to drop it before the network made its decision.

	Ratings aren't everything, thank god.  Flying Blind is definitely
staying on the Fox schedule and it came in 102nd out of 105.
	Plus, you have to remember that the Heights is up against Cheers
and Wings.  When you consider that this is Cheers' final season, that
basically leaves every other channel in dirt, regardless of what you put
against it.

						Cliff Chen
						cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Help me out
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1992Dec18.034156.4567@leland.Stanford.EDU>, Vida Tigrani <veeduh@leland.stanford.edu> writes:
|> 
|> And another thing:
|> 
|> I thought Andrea was really compromising herself by allowing herself to
|> be merely a co-editor with a guy who has so little experience.  I was
|> surprised she accepted that deal.  I think she should have waited and let
|> Brandon fall on his face.  That would have been great!  What a conceited
|> dork.  

Well, when I was in high school, they didn't allow the same person
to be the editor for more than one year - they wanted as many people
as possible to get to try it.  Gee, school trying to teach more than one person
about the same thing? I think Ahhhhhhhhhhhndrea should get her
ego out of the way and realize that they are in SCHOOL - high school,
not even college.  It's not as if they took away a paying job or 
something.

BTW, I like the actress (even though I can't remember her name), just
can't stan Ahhhhhhhhhhndrea.


|> And Shannon:
|> 
|> Does anyone else think she looks like she's part Asian?

Nope - she looks wholly Elvira-wannabe.

-- 
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: ncohen1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Neal Cohen)
Subject: Re: are they serious?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:43:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.203755.27066@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> 
> Hey Neal Cohen!
> 	Any idea when "Class of '96" is going to finally air? I thought
> it was going to be on in October. At this rate they won't graduate until
> '97!......unless of course it's a good show, which I hear it is. 
> 
> To everyone else: didn't watch last night and Thank God! Fine, a little
> cheese is good in a person's life, but from what I heard about it, the
> episode resembled rotted, three month old cheese. Glad that Nicki's gone,
> but Steve's departure would be the ultimate holiday gift. Sorry Andrea
> is going to Yale. She sure missed out on waiting for Brandeis. Would have
> enjoyed it if Kelly ever came to visit.  Check y'all later!
> 
> 
Well, they said "Class of '96"  was going to air in January '93. Maybe
they all have AP credit and are all a semester ahead! Actually, to revise
my earlier statement, maybe Andrea coming to Swarthmore wouldn't be so bad,
if only Kelly would visit - my life would be complete!

The 3 month old cheese was actually a very good analogy.

Neal

p.s. does Dillon hook up with a female every 15 minutes or is it my
imagination?
From: st1y4@jane.uh.edu (Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Andrea
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:17 CST
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    









When did Andrea's legs heal?  In the two weeks we've been forced to do
without BH90210?  uhmmm....

YEAH DONNA!!!
She's certainly in the Christmas spirit!

The deal with that drunk driver and the school bus crashing really had
me anticipating some great episodes, but they BLEW IT!  We could have
gotten rid of Dylan and Brenda at the same time!  Oh well...
their lives go on...

Is it me or did Brenda not seem quite as Bitchy?  
Yea.  Must be me.

Don't get me wrong now ya'll, I love all the characters on the show.
It just wouldn't be the same missing even one of them.

=========================================================================

OK

Any GOOD guesses as to who Dylan will choose to spend New Years Eve with?
I don't know about you lady's out there, but I certainly would not wait
around long enough to let HIM decide who HE wants to go out with.  In my
book he would have blown it a long time ago.  He just likes feeling all
macho and manly having two attractive (esp. Kelley) girls want him. 


Once again these are my thoughts...

Ann

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