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From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:35:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Nov6173536
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Nov4.172724.17063@odin.corp.sgi.com> amazon@annexia.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind) writes:
   earlier in the morning he was heard to 
   comment that general aviation pilots
   were bad because "they're the same kind
   of bozos who drive cars", [...]

Certainly not true.  A pilot friend of mine got her pilot ticket long
before she *ever* learned how to drive.  In fact, she was almost
complete with her instrument rating before finally passing the driving
test.  She said the hardest thing about driving was trying to stay to
the right of that centerline, and resisting the urge to pull up over
the cars ahead of her rather than slowing down... :-)

(yes, this is a non-sequitor, of the kind for which I'm famous)

Randal L. Schwartz, PP-ASEL-IA, 270+hours and waiting for my boat to sail...
--
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factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Re: Stay on the ground, Reba.
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:04:06 GMT

For those of you that dont listen to the daily news 
reports, This past weekend in Nashville TN a private
jet (lear type or small citation) with country western
singer Reba MacEntyre on board made an emergency landing 
with the nose gear in the up position. 

This would not normally seem significant except for the 
fact that a little over one year ago, another plane she
was scheduled (but missed) to fly in crashed in California,
killing her band.....!!!

Now you get the picture......?






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Jim Beutel	

Motorola SPS ASIC            beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
1300 N. Alma School Rd       Computer Operations 
M/S CH290  AZ50              office:  (602) 821-4967
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: Stay on the ground, Reba.
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:30:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.211435.27216@eecs.nwu.edu>, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
|> Warning:  pet peeve ahead.....
|> 
|> WHY was this such a big deal?  So the guy made an emergency landing.
|> SO WHAT?  This is like pulling over to the side of an expressway because
|> you have a flat.  The pilot recognized the problem, dealt with it, made
|> a good landing, no one was hurt or killed.  Sounds to me like the pilot
|> dealt with a mechanical failure just like he was trained to do.  So
|> just WHY do people think this is news?
|> 
|> I guess it's just that old "airplanes are deadly mentality":  the
|> newscasters are calling it a "close call", etc.  I'm sorry, but that
|> didn't sound like a "close call" to me.

An emergency landing always seems to get a moment of local coverage.
While I agree its silly, at least here the news is handled quietly
("watch the pilot expertly bring the aircraft in for a safe and
event-free (except for us! :-) landing with the nose gear up").

What makes it national news-worthy isn't because of what happened, but
who was on board, which I think it bordering on insane.  If I start
seeing news reports that Jay Leno averted a highway disaster by coasting
to the shoulder when his engine quit, I'll... I'll... Well, I dunno what
I'll do... :-)

It's all based on society's fascination with "stars".  It's bogus and
isn't any more news worthy than any of the other nose-up's that have
happened, or will.  (It's also kind of offensive to know that your life
may be less important to the public than a singer who may have found 
herself only frightened in a well-managed situation...)  The next time
I get nearly run off the road by a bus not paying attention, I want to
see a CNN camera crew on the scene... :-)

-- 
Robert J. Granvin                                       School of Statistics
rjg@stat.umn.edu                                     University of Minnesota
From: brianh@smaug.West.Sun.COM (Brian Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Logging flight time:  dual and/or pic
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:36:29 -0800
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <BxGxJ1.DFH@spdg.com> jallred@spdg.com (John Allred) writes:
>I haven't seen any FAR or FSDO pronouncement on this topic, so I'd
>like to hear the wisdom of the net.  What is the best thing to do?
>Are PIC and Dual time considered mutually exclusive?

I've always been told that they are *not* mutually exclusive and that
you may log it as *both* Dual and PIC (but only count it once as total time!)
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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Subject: Austrailian Scneery & ATP Utils
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:04:00 GMT

Okay....I need some help here.  I am currently working on the FAQ for
this group, but I just ran into a minor snag...

   I deleted a file from my account, not realizing that it contained the
FTP sites for the Austrailian Scenery and the ATP Utilities.  Can someone
send me the info or post it here??  Thanks....

-- 
John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h
From: rdj@adpgate.UUCP (Richard Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Amiga simulators?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:50:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: curly.1737
Distribution: rec
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

[Ami Flight *simulation*]

Check out "Fighter Duel -- Corsair vs. Zero" -- I think Spectrum Holobyte
publishes it, but won't swear to it.  Anyway, this particular game is a
aserious attempt to simulate the flight characteristics of these two
aircraft.   It requires an analog joystick, lots of coordination, and some
flight experience.  :=)

FSII has been available for years, but it's never been upgraded along with
the improvements in the Mac and PC versions.  I too, am disappointed whenever
I try to cause a spin in the C-182, and fail.  Not _real_ simulation.
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From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: TRACON II
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:32:54 GMT

From article <15419@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, by tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett):
> In article <1992Nov10.165528.9893@netcom.com>, hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) 
> writes:
>> I called up one day and said that I have Tracon for Windows (which I do), 
>> but it would not work properly with my SB Pro. 
> 
> So how does everyone feel about Tracon for Windows?  Should I replace
> my Tracon II for the windows version?  What advantage is there over the
> regular dos version?

I don't know.  I just happen to get the Window version.  I think one 
advantage is that if I upgrade to 1280x1024, I don't have to have new
driver from Wesson.

The Window version (sent by Wesson) works perfect-er-moon-do!  Sound and
everything else.  Now I am counting the days I can afford a 20" screen
with 1280x1024 reso (I can give up PP-ASEL training for 2 months, but that
has a higher priority)

> Do the same sector files work with the windows version?

Don't know. 
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: TRACON II locations?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:44:28 GMT


Are there any anonymous FTP sites  that have locations that can be used
in TRACON II?  Thanks!


--
|Jeffrey S. Jo                   |	         F-14D Tomcat                 |
|Computer Operations		 |             VF-142 Ghostriders             |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha |       United States Navy F-14 Tomcat       |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON II locations?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov10.165528.9893
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From article <1992Nov10.094406.10524@cactus.org>, by rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett):
> In article <BxHI09.G12@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> goose@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Pilot) writes:
>>In article <tomcat.721331068@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>>
>>>Are there any anonymous FTP sites  that have locations that can be used
>>>in TRACON II?  Thanks!
>>>
>>  Not to my knowledge.. but I have the entire airport disk that I may be able
>>  to get to ya..
> 
> "Wesson monitors the net."  At least show the sense to do this in email.

Wesson is a decent company, in my experience (and we probably shouldn't
rip them off, not that I condone ripping anybody off).

I called up one day and said that I have Tracon for Windows (which I do), 
but it would not work properly with my SB Pro.  So they sent me a new set of 
disk (which works perfectly) w/o asking me to send in the old disk, nor ask
for serial number, nor ask me to tear the front page of my manual, etc.
In fact, any Tom, Dick, or Hairy can call in and claim to have Tracon
for Windows and get their latest version for FREE!

These people are very trusting, almost gullible.  Of course if they are
monitoring this net, they may be changing their procedure immediately.
No, no, no.  I am not mistreating their goodwill.  They are nice folks,
and I appreciated their speedy no-nonsense rememdy of the situation.  But
maybe just too nice in the world today where piracy is common. 

There is one thing they can do though (if they get mad), they still have
the names and addresses of whom and where they sent the upgrades to.  So 
don't be surprise if one day some SPA police show up at your door and demand 
to see your original copy of Tracon for Windows (or pay the price of one)!!!
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From: perod@ifi.uio.no (Per Christian \deg}rd)
Subject: Re: Amiga simulators?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:23:18 GMT
Originator: perod@sognsvann.ifi.uio.no


If you're after HOT air combat simulators on the Amiga, you should try
Mig-29 Super Fulcrum or Flight of the Intruder. Those may not be the
prettiest looking, but definitely the hottest as far as combat is
concerned. FOTI in two-player mode is definitely reccomended.

Per Chr. Odegard (perod@ifi.uio.no)
"It's time to bust the tower" - Maverick
From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Question on FAQs
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:44:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Nov13.032206.108@leland.Stanford.EDU> tombros@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dimitrios Tombros) writes:
>>If you are on a Sun workstation, there is a program called
>>    'fltsim' (archived as 'fltsim.tar.Z').  The following sites are 
>>    given by archie (I'll try and get IP addresses):
>>
>>      isy.liu.se  (130.236.1.3)
>>         /pub/sunview
>>
>>      kth.se  (130.237.72.201)
>>         /kth/misc
>>
>>      usc.edu  (128.125.253.136)
>>         /pub
>>
>>      walhalla.germany.eu.net 
>>         /pub/windows/sunview
>
>I downloaded everyone of these files on my SPARC station 1 and when I tried
>tar -xvf <filename> I got for everyone of them a checksum error.
>What am I doing wrong?

Did you remember to uncompress them first?  Try this:

   zcat fltsim.tar.Z | tar -xvf -

-- 
John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h
From: David_Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Spectrum Holobyte Support - Poor
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:03:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: kcbbs.10292311.223.1519
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

For starters, I'm sorry, but I can't quote anyones messages due to a 
failed message quoting system.

A message refered to Microprose as having very bad customer support-well, 
I suppose it all depends on who you get through too when you contact 
them.  When I first got Silent Service II I wrote a letter to Microprose 
stating that I was extreemly pleased with the product and pointed out 
some possible improvements aswell as saying that I was quite dissapointed 
with F15 II.  Within 3 weeks of posting the letter I received a reply 
indicating they were extreemly pleased to have had my inputs on what 
I thought.  That has been my only contact with any games company and 
I was very pleased that they took the time to respond with a personalised 
letter, not some mail-merged generic thing.

I havn't directly dealt with Spectrum Holobyte since buying Falcon3 
about 6 months ago mainly because I assumed the bugs which I encounted 
would soon be fixed.  Granted, they did persist but so far there seems 
to be no other games company that will constantly put out revisions 
of their software as SH has done with their numerous patches.  You can 
realy only congratule them on this.  I havn't had anything to do with 
their customer support lines so I can't make a judgment on that area 
but friends have contacted them through Compuserve and have said they 
were very helpfull.

Well thats my 2K of email from halfway round the world.
Spot ya round like a squashed tinnie.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: jarvis@ravel.udel.edu (Brian M. Jarvis)
Subject: Re: AIR BUCKS (Airline simulation) 
Followup-To:  hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Keywords: air, bucks, airline
Organization: Univerity of Delaware
Distribution: World
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 22:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.050600.6051@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi
Chong) writes:

>but then you get to criss-cross other airline routes and even compete
>against them.

I noticed that the manual talks about competing airlines, but they don't
compete in the slightest.  Two of my three competitors have received
emergency loans from the bank, and the third (the best of the lot) is
about 10% of my size.  If this is the *hardest* setting, then I fear to
think about the easiest.

Some things annoy me:
1.  In real life, people prefer planes that are non-stop.  Failing that,
they want to remain on the same plane.  In Air Bucks, it's more efficient
to have one plane fly just one leg of a route (ie, one plane NY - LA, and
a second plane LA - Honolulu).  No difference in revenue.

2.  I can have 2/3 of the plane filled, but no revenue (and yes, my ticket
prices are all well above $0).

3.  Here's an interesting experiment:  Have two planes.  One from NY to
Azores.  Second from Azores to London.  Make it free to fly to Azores, and
very high to NY/London.  The result is that (with no other airline
contenders), the plane is barely filled.  I highly doubt that everyone
else lives in the Azores permanently, or takes a slow boat.

4.  Feeder routes (planes shuttling passengers from small cities to large
cities) sem to have little effect on the fill rates on planes leaving the
large cities. 

>Beside improving the mechanics/interface/display, I think the enemy AI
>can use a new scheme.  Any idea?

Like maybe make it hard to play???  Cuthroat rate wars (like RRT),
targeted advertizing campaigns (to one specific city).  A stock market
where you can really buy stock (I've bought a grand total of 8 shares of
stock).  A "War" mode where a competitor decides to screw you no matter
what the cost.  Competitors that sell landing rights.  Lots more, but
that's a start at least...

Brian

Brian Jarvis
jarvis@ravel.udel.edu
From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Spectrum Holobyte Support - Poor
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 21:53:59 CST
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

masten@beta.lanl.gov (David A. Masten) writes:

> Comparing them to MS just doesn't seem fair.  MS is a HUGE company that
> can afford plenty of full-time tech support.  When you sell millions of
> copies of software, the cost of this support isn't much per copy.  I
> wouldn't want to pay an extra $(who knows how much?) for that kind of
> tech support on games which will only sell thousands or 10's of
> thousands of copies.
> 
> Dave Masten
> masten@beta.lanl.gov

 OK, maybe the comparison to MS is a bit unfair. So compare them 
with Microprose (F-19 Stealth Fighter) or Dynamix (AOP). The real 
point here was the "attitude" of SH, which seems (at least to me) 
to be that it's OK to put software with "bugs" in it on the 
market. The other companies don't seem to share that attitude.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
          Gene Kennedy - Ham Radio Operator, N5ABI - 
                      gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us
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From: dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch)
Subject: Re: Castles 2 HELP ME!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:20:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.063835.2214@tamsun.tamu.edu>, r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu (Rithea Hong) writes:
|> I've been playing Castles II and am TRULY frustrated.  I have yet to win
|> even on 'easy'.  Terrirtories seem to revolt for no apparent reason.  How
|> do I prevent this?  Also, whenever the game rankings come up, all the others
|> are 'blessed', how do I get 'blessed'?  Also, does anyone have a cheat for
|> this game?  ARGGH!
|> 
To be blessed by the pope, you have to have a relationship rating of 8 or above.
To get this, give money to the Pope until you are at a rating of 6, and cede one
or two territories to him to get blessed. This will help protect you from being
attacked. To keep territories from revolting, there must be a large castle in an
immediately adjacent territory. I haven't found any cheats, but there is an
undocumented way of speeding up the game. Click and hold the right mouse button,
and the speed of the game dramatically increases while it is held down. Useful
when building castles, attacking things, etc.

If anyone has found a real cheat for this game (give you 99 gold, etc), I would
greatly appreciate hearing about it.

Daniel Silevitch                                 dmsilev@athena.mit.edu
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
From: cockburn@unixg.ubc.ca (Iain Cockburn)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Falcon under OS/2 2.0 ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:14:07 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

I'm trying to get F3 to run in an OS/2 2.0 DOS box: does
anyone know the correct settings?

Thanks,
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON II
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:20:53 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov10.165528.9893@netcom.com>, hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) 
writes:
> I called up one day and said that I have Tracon for Windows (which I do), 
> but it would not work properly with my SB Pro. 

So how does everyone feel about Tracon for Windows?  Should I replace
my Tracon II for the windows version?  What advantage is there over the
regular dos version?

Do the same sector files work with the windows version?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: asunta@convex.csc.FI (Miika Asunta)
Subject: FS4 - Cross Continent Flying...
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:11:11 GMT

How do you folks navigate when you fly from Chicago to LA, or
from Seattle to San Fransisco or...

I've managed twice to fly from Chicago to New York simply by studying
the map view comparing it to a world atlas, and then finding a course
with compass... Works fine without wind.

Why are there no VORs outside the areas described in the manual. It
wouldn't take much space to include those in the manual / scenery
files. 

Are there any other scenery files for mac with VORs for cross
continent navigating? 

Howzabout ATC services?

Miika
--
Miika Asunta
asunta@convex.csc.fi			Double Bass Player
tel. +358-0-494 093			Macintosh Programmer
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From: verhulst@raven.aosg.gsf.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: TRACON II locations?
Organization: AOSG
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:20:54 GMT

>I called up one day and said that I have Tracon for Windows (which I do), 
>but it would not work properly with my SB Pro.  So they sent me a new set of 
>disk (which works perfectly) w/o asking me to send in the old disk, nor ask
>for serial number, nor ask me to tear the front page of my manual, etc.
>In fact, any Tom, Dick, or Hairy can call in and claim to have Tracon
>for Windows and get their latest version for FREE!

I suspect that they're not gullible but check your name against their register
user database instead - at least, I hope so.

Anyway, I too have TRACON for windows (released in June92 specifically for 
Windows 3.1).  I now have a Sound Blaster board and the documentation claims
that the installation program will ask you to install the SB.  This doesn't
happen on my system. Any clues  on what the problem might be or a possible 
work around?

By the way, Wesson offers registered users upgrades of new releases at a
significantly reduced price.   This is great and should be emulated by other
SW vendors.  I've bought every version of Tracon since release 1.0.  Truly
a great product.

Tony V.
From: verhulst@raven.aosg.gsf.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON II
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:26:21 GMT
Organization: AOSG

>>So how does everyone feel about Tracon for Windows?  Should I replace
>>my Tracon II for the windows version?  What advantage is there over the
>>regular dos version?

>It's great! Well, the Windows version has VFR flight following,

Right, but you better have some horse power to run it.  A  16MH 386SX
for instance, is simply not enough.  I suspect you won't be happy with it
on anything less than a 486.
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