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From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: voice
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:54:33 GMT


In article <BARSZ.92Dec15135339@bmtlh168.bnr.ca>, barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski) writes:
|> In article <901003l.43.724441384@axe.acadiau.ca> 901003l@axe.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC) writes:
|> 
|>    Can the new 16 bit sound boards opperate a computer by spoken words instead 
|>    of typing?  I need to know.  thanks?
|> 
|> No.  What you are interested in is Voice Recognition software/hardware.  In
|> general a PC is simply not powerful enough on its own to perform the
|> computationally intensive operations required.

This isn't completely true, though I believe that Peter is correct about
what he is talking about.  The real problem is that Misha's question is
too vague.

The new Microsoft sound card comes with voice recognition software.
This is speaker-trained recognition, and only works with the Program
and File Managers under Windows 3.1.

There are systems you can buy for the Macintosh for doing voice
recognition.  Again, it's speaker-trained, but it does work with a
lot more programs, and can be connected to a macro program like
QuicKeys for even more capabilities.

The dictionaries for these types of systems are pretty limited, and
it's pretty easy to confuse them.  I don't think you'd be able to type
in a letter on a generic word processor by saying the letters or
words.

Still, if you are just interested in doing a few things by voice, there
are possibilities.  The problem in my opinion is that the Microsoft
sound card really isn't a good deal overall, so you might want to look
around for alternative software.

This reminds me of a story.  In college (back around 1980), there was
this guy who always taped the class lectures and had them all nicely
typed up.  Someone tried to convince me that this person had access to
a machine at his work (in the School of Nursing) that would listen to
the tape and produce these printouts.  Amazing what TV will make people
believe.

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: ndc@popocatepetl.engin.umich.edu (SPeCiMeN)
Subject: powerbooks & midi
Originator: ndc@popocatepetl.engin.umich.edu
Keywords: powerbook midi interface sequence
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:55:53 GMT


=====================

hello. my ancient, third user hand-me-down mac plus is
on its deathbed, and i'm considering getting a new computer.
i decided that i want to get a laptop/portable machine, so
i naturally (being a mac user) looked first at the powerbooks for mac. i've
heard, however, that their serial ports are too slow for good midi use?
or something? this didn't make sense to me, so i'm wondering if
someone has experience with the using powerbooks and performer, or
any midi software, especially the newer models (the 160 is the one i'm
considering.) at this point i'm only using an eps-16+, so my needs aren't
too complex. (and won't change for a long while)


also, experience with any portable platforms would be appreciated,
as i'm also considering trying an ibm-compatible.

mail: ndc@engin.umich.edu

i can post a summary if people want.

thanks for your help!!  - andy
========================

Newsgroups: comp.music
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Advice on DAT recorders
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:10:24 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

>>In article <Bz0JE8.G57@esri.com> tapas@esri.com (Tapas Das) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>I would like to have your experiences with some widely used
>>>DAT recorders such as the 
>>>
>>>TASCAM DA30
>>>Panasonic 3700
>>>Sony 2300

I've only used the Panasonic 3700 and the Tascam DA30.  The 3700 has that
amazing shuttle wheel that has proved invaluable for finding exact points
on the DAT tape (like sound effects).  I also perceive the 3700 as being
mechanically more solid feeling....better transport etc.  Over here in
Toronto, the 3700 sells for $1800 and the DA30 sells for $1600.  Well
worth the difference in price.  As far as sound quality goes, I would
have to A/B them side by side but I suspect they both fall in between
the 'great' and 'excellent' category (as opposed the consumer DAT 'ok'
category or the super expensive A/D D/A converter 'stupendously superbly
wonderful' category)

These are very scientific terms don't ya know.

ferenc
From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: powerbooks & midi
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:16:18 GMT

SPeCiMeN writes
> 
> =====================
> 
> hello. my ancient, third user hand-me-down mac plus is
> on its deathbed, and i'm considering getting a new computer.
> i decided that i want to get a laptop/portable machine, so
> i naturally (being a mac user) looked first at the powerbooks for mac.  
i've
> heard, however, that their serial ports are too slow for good midi use?
> or something? this didn't make sense to me, so i'm wondering if
> someone has experience with the using powerbooks and performer, or
> any midi software, especially the newer models (the 160 is the one i'm
> considering.) at this point i'm only using an eps-16+, so my needs  
aren't
> too complex. (and won't change for a long while)
> 

It is my understanding that all the PowerBooks and PowerDuos are suspect  
to dropouts of data at the serial ports because of their power management  
hardware. Apparently there is a 6ms blackout of the serial ports every so  
often (like pretty frequently) and if more data arrives at the port than  
can be buffered it is lost. Also, during these blackouts data is held and  
transmitted when the port is open again which can cause timing  
irregularity. I am told that MIDI software works but that dense data  
streams can be seriously chopped up. In other words, large amounts of  
controller or sysex data may be garbled and you probably would not want to  
do MIDI sample dumps (not a problem on the EPS as you have the SCSI sample  
dump option).

I hope this information is helpful and feel free to correct me if I have  
gotten something wrong.



--
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Alex Currier
Texas Union MicroCenter
University of Texas at Austin

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From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: voice
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:47:47 GMT
    <BARSZ.92Dec15135339@bmtlh168.bnr.ca> 
    <1992Dec15.215433.29073@smsc.sony.com>
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo, tcejorP Project.

In article <1992Dec15.215433.29073@smsc.sony.com> dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:

 >typed up.  Someone tried to convince me that this person had access to
 >a machine at his work (in the School of Nursing) that would listen to
 >the tape and produce these printouts.  Amazing what TV will make people
 >believe.

They probably did.  It's called a dictaphone.  Of course there is a
person at the other end typing this stuff out but you do in fact put
the tape in the machine and get typed pages back.  Magic.


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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McMamara)
Subject: Composer's WorkBench version 1.35
Organization: Composer's WorkBench
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:16:15 GMT


Composer's WorkBench is a full featured notator/sequencer for the IBM PC.
CWB's "computing metaphor" is the composer's score, not a recording engineer's
control panel, and is optimized for celtic music, with true bagpipe drone and
grace notes.

Music entry with CWB is very easy. You see on the screen a conventional
music staff. You place the cursor where you want, using the <Ent> key to
move the cursor down, and the '-' key to move it up, then press 'h' for
a half note, 'q' for a quarter, 'e.' for a dotted eighth, etc.

The latest version 1.35 has more robust file handling, context sensitive
help, and the ability to print your music.

CWB requires an 80286 ( AT) or better, Roland MPU-401 MIDI interface or
compatible, MSDOS 3.3, 256K ram, and a 360K floppy.

CWB is archived and can be downloaded by anonymous ftp.
ftp oak.oakland.edu
<logon> anonymous
<password> your_email_address, e.g. dmcnamar@netcom.com
cd pub/msdos/music
type binary
get cwb135.zip
quit

or email me at dmcnamar@netcom.com .

The archived version has all features enabled except that new music you
create is limited to 16 bars. A full license, enabling you to create music
whose length is limited only by the amount of ram you have, is $50 U.S.
and is not copy protected.

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench

Newsgroups: comp.music
From: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani)
Subject: Re: voice
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:46:22 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan AI and VR Laboratory
Originator: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu


In article <901003l.43.724441384@axe.acadiau.ca>, 901003l@axe.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC) writes:
> 
> Can the new 16 bit sound boards opperate a computer by spoken words instead 
> of typing?  I need to know.  thanks?
> 
> Misha LeBlanc
> 901003l@axe.acadiau.ca

While it is pretty CPU-intensive, it can be done. Last year, there
was a boy on CNN who had his arms ripped off in a farming accident.
They later showed a system that some company was trying out with him
wherein he spoke and the computer figured out what word he was
trying to say, compared it to a dictionary and printed it on the screen,
much like dictating to the computer. If I recall correctly, it wasn't
commercially available, but if you could get ahold of the company,
I'm sure they could point you in the right direction. Unfortunately,
I don't remember who it was. You could probably find out from CNN,
though, who I'm sure you could reach through your local cable company.

						Darrin Cardani
darrin@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: iani@ohsuga.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Zannos Iannis)
Subject: Re: frequencies <=> tuning
Organization: RCAST, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:33:37 GMT


>> This is the basic problem with all just-tempered tuning systems: in
>> order to get perfect intervals in one place, you have to compromise
>> elsewhere.  Not only does this force you to use a different tuning for
>> every key, but even within a given key it creates problems: if you get
>> too far removed from basic I-IV-V harmony you wind up with chords and
>> intervals which are decidedly non-perfect.

1. Various temperaments prior to "equal temperament", such as
mean-tone, Kirnberger's temperaments (used by J.S. Bach),
Werckmeister's several temperaments, etc. etc. give different
solutions to this problem, each one with its own advantages and
disadvantages.

2. Equal-tempered tunings with 19, 53, 171 ... steps in the octave
have been proposed, and they make it possible to minimize the
deviation from just tuning in any key.  In particular, the 171 - step
tuning proposed by M. Vogel enables unlimited modulation, without ever
straying more than a couple of cents (1200ths of the octave) from the
"just" pitch of any chord note.   

3. In MIDI, one built-in resolution is the 128th of the semitone (=
0.78125 cents) available by after-touch control, another one is the
pitch bend-resolution, which is even finer, but takes up one entire
channel for each modulated note (notes cannot be addressed independent
of channel).  Thus, it is possible to build a system that stays just
all of the time, within the .78.. cent limit.   But doing this entails
choosing the optimum or desired interpretation for each chord.  This
can be complicated.   A good introduction is: Martin Vogel's "Anleitung
zur harmonischen Analyse und zu reiner Intonation." Reference:

@book{Vogel1984,
   AUTHOR = {Vogel, Martin},
   Edition = {Orpheus Schriftenreihe zu Grundfragen der Musik},
   editor = {Vogel, Martin},
   publisher = {Verlag f/ur Systematische Musikwissenschaft : 
                Bonn-Bad Godesberg},
   title = {Anleitung zur harmonischen Analyse und zu reiner Intonation},
   volume = {34},
   year = {1984}
}

4. Who said that just tuning always sounds best?  Research by Terhard
and others shows that "just" and "equal" are just alternatives, and
both have their psychoacoustic advantages.  Tuning is a matter of
taste (admittedly fine taste), and "impurities", deviations from just
tuning, can if properly chosen, highlight the harmonic and tonal
characteristics of different styles.

By the way:

>>[There is a very excellent treatment of this whole subject written by a
>>woman whose name (and the title of her book) I can't remember.  If I
>>don't post it within a few days, someone please prod me about it.]

Yes, please post the reference for this book!

Ioannis Zannos

e-mail: iani@ohsuga.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Newsgroups: comp.music
From: biske@cs.uiuc.edu (Todd Biske)
Subject: Standard MIDI to MusicTex
Organization: Delta Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:10:54 GMT

I know a program called midi2tex exists for the PC and Amiga, but I need something
to do this on a Sun SparcStation.  Typing in MusicTex code is a royal pain in the 
butt.  I can input Midi files pretty easily, so if there exists something to 
convert these files to MusicTex code so I can print out scores, I would be really
happy.  I thought about writing this myself, but considering the package already
exists for PC's and Amiga's, it should be relatively easy to convert it to run on
a Sparc.  So, if anyone has such a beast, or has the source for the forementioned
package, please let me know.  Thanks!

-tb

Also, if anyone knows of any decent programs for inputting music under X Windows,
let me know.  I've got Nimble Music 2.2 right now.

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From: rga@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Synths for Sale (TX81Z, JX-10, P3)
Keywords: tx81z, jx-10, p-3
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:18:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

I'm putting these guys on the market:

1) Roland Super JX : JX-10    $675 + shipping
	(DCO, VCF) Digitally controlled Analog Synth
	Warm analog timbres
	76 keys
	12 note polyphony
	2 voice Multi-timbral
	1 voice card

2) Yamaha TX81z FM Synth   $225 + shipping 
	1U Rack
	8 voice polyphony
	8 voice multi-timbral
	4 Operator FM

3) Korg P3 Piano Module   $125 + shipping 
	2 Sampled Piano sounds (anyone know the sample rate?)
	Useful cheap box, ok for soloing, best used in mix
	16 note polyphony

All these units are in fine shape, and need a good home (and I
need the cash !)

Will consider all offers.

Randy Alley
Raleigh, N.C.
(919) 571-9972 after 7:30pm EST
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Re: voice
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:54:12

In article <901003l.43.724441384@axe.acadiau.ca> 901003l@axe.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC) writes:

   Can the new 16 bit sound boards opperate a computer by spoken words instead 
   of typing?  I need to know.  thanks?

No.  What you are interested in is Voice Recognition software/hardware.  In
general a PC is simply not powerful enough on its own to perform the
computationally intensive operations required.  If you need to do this then
re-post a question in comp.dsp (digital signal processing) and they might
be able to help with advice on required hardware and software.

Regards,
--
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(barsz@bnr.ca)                |        :    :    :    :    :    :    :
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.  |     3     3     3     3     3     3     3
Montreal, Canada              |  D      D      D      D      D      D      D
Xref: sparky comp.music:5704 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:15855
From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: IBM notation shareware?
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:07:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.music
Organization: Chorus systemes, St Quentin en Yvelines, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
: In a similar vein, can anyone recommend a music composition
: program for the SoundBlaster..?
: 
: I'd like to create CMF files similar to the ones that come
: with the SB, but so far all the music editing programs I've
: found are MIDI oriented.

CMF files are pure crap. Although derived from
midi files, they restrict them severly. For
example, you cannot embed tempo messages, you
have to modify the length of notes! Because
this is supposed to simplify the design of
the player - you don't have to modify the
system clock once the file is playing.

So it is not possible to produce scores from
a CMF file in the general case.

: Commercial or Shareware, it doesn't matter, as long as it's
: full featured and reasonably easy to use.

Maybe you could use Windows facilities? Windows
can simulate a General MIDI device on top of a
SoundBlaster.
-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
From: misha@CS.HUJI.AC.IL (Michael Pak)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Notating program for X/Unix
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:43:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi.

  I am a new reader of this newsgroup, and have probably missed the FAQ.
I am seeking an X program which will enable me to write a score (single staff,
or many), and output a PostScript file. So far I have tried using MusicTeX,
but it is a bit clumsy (well, what one can expect from a TeX program...). I am
considering writing one, but if one already exist (especially if it is a
public domain, 'ftp'able program) I wouldn't like to waste my time.
Any pointers to such software will be greatly appreciated. I will also like
to hear about commercail stuff too...

Deep regards,
Misha.

******************************************
* Michael Pak                            *
* The System Group,                      *
* Department of Computer Science,        *
* Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel *
* E-Mail: misha@cs.huji.ac.il            *
******************************************
From: pan@pannet.UUCP (The PAN Network)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: RE: Hard disk recording for PCs 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:53:32 EDT
Organization: The PAN Network
Reply-To: midigod@pan.com



As far as I'm concerned, the highest-end system for IBM is Micro Technolgy's
MicroSound system. It allows you to record and playback simultaneously, gives
you 38 stereo virtual tracks simultaneously out of a palette of 1800, does noise
elimination, and a bunch of other cool things. Give them a call at 919-870-0344,
or fax them at 919-870-7163. On the other hand, if you really just want a system
that will edit two tracks, like having a DAT in your computer, then Turtle Beach
and a few others make good systems. But they're not nearly as versatile as the
MTU system.

midigod@pan.com


Newsgroups: comp.music
From: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Subject: classical music recording and Mac's
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:39:02 GMT

Hi!  Could someone please recommend a book on how to make classical
music recordings with a Mac?

I need to know basic things like what kind of microphones to get, where
to place them, what software to use....

Oh, and how does one make one's own CD?

Any info will be appreciated.  Please reply by e-mail.  Thanks.

-Charles

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============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: billy@irvine.com ( Bouncer **)
Subject: Re: Advice on DAT recorders
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:54:17 GMT

In article <108@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <Bz0JE8.G57@esri.com> tapas@esri.com (Tapas Das) writes:
>>
>>
>>I would like to have your experiences with some widely used
>>DAT recorders such as the 
>>
>>TASCAM DA30
>>Panasonic 3700
>>Sony 2300

> We have several Sonys and several TASCAMs.  Most engineers prefer the
> features on the TASCAM.  

The Panasonic 3700 is by far my favorite.  The shuttle wheel is terrific.
I've heard that the buttons on the Tascom DA30 are pretty sugglish and aren't
that fun to work with for hours upon end.
Xref: sparky comp.music:5718 rec.music.synth:19502 rec.music.makers.synth:792
From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Hard disk recording for PCs
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:10:19 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello,
   I am considering diving into a hard-disk based recording system for my 386DX
IBM compatible and I was wondering what people had to say about the available
equipment and its feasability in the home recording environment.   It looks
like it would be a great help, and really rather inexpensive when you look at
what you are able to do.  System configurations, hardware\software opinions,
and just overall atitudes toward this growing trend in the music industry are
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
RObert Williams
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: tfullert@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy D Fullerton)
Subject: Cmusic books
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:54:25 GMT


	I am looking for any sort of instruction manual or third party 
books for cmusic. 

	Thanks

		Tim
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Subject: Bulk dump program for Pro Audio Spectrum
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:36:01 GMT


	Does anybody know about a PC program that would send and
	receive MIDI bulk dump thru a Pro Audio Spectrum 16 
	interface? I'd like to have it instead of backupping my 
	synth's sounds to a cassette (eechh!) The synth is an old 
	Yamaha DX21, if that makes any difference. 

	For financial reasons, I'd prefer PD or shareware program.
-- 
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