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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:16:06 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <6308.2b015163@hayes.com>  writes:
>In article <199211060152.AA00327@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca>, rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA  
(Rob Parkhill) writes:

>> In NeXTSTEP, the second mouse button can be enabled to bring up the  
menu
>> under the pointer wherever you are on the screen.  
>
>You are correct.
>
>However, this behavior is OPTIONAL.
>
>Further, NeXT applications are free to use the "other" button in any way  
they
>see fit.

This is not really correct.  Although programs are "free" to use the other  
mouse button as they like, NeXT's libraries strongly encourage them not  
to.  The NeXT community has, for all programs I know about, kept to the  
one-button design.  So nowadays, using the second button on the NeXT for  
non-traditional purposes somewhat like Mac programs requiring people to  
use function keys on the Mac's extended keyboard (or whatever).  It can be  
done, but generally isn't unless there's some *really* unusual reason why.

--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
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From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Resource fork saves space
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:47:57 GMT
Reply-To: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifbb657@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu


Here is an interesting factoid.  The Macintosh has, on average,
the smallest sized apps for any viable computer platform.


Example:

WordPerfect  Mac ~4-5meg   Win3:10 MB  UNIX ~10 MB

Does the resource fork system have something to do with this?

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                             ***********************************
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From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:27:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.152700.20818@pellns.alleg.edu> smytonj@murr13.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:
>Let me qualify my point...I misstated my point by saying the quote about  
>the 030's.  I realize the difference in real speed of the two machines.  I  
>do however feel that NeXT does not take full advantage of it's 040 chip's  
>speed capability.

Oh please.  I really want to hear this.  Why do you feel that NeXT
does not take full advantage of the 040 (whereas Apple does?)?


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "Carpe Nocturn - I get more work done after
Andrew Loewenstern      |  2 a.m. than most people do all day."
Cube Technologies, Inc. |                          - Simson Garfinkel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: The future of Apple
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:48:56 GMT

In article <9211110352.AA24734@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> parkhill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Parkhill) writes:
>Well, I was talking about the Newton with some freinds the other day, and
>it got me to thinking about Apples future. If the Newton can deliver what
>has been promised, and I see no real reason why it wouldn't (perhaps a
>year or so late though), then Apples marketing plans would drastically
>change. With Scully leading things, Apple is going to market towards getting
>a PDA in everyones pocket, not a Computer on 10% of the desktops.  I can 
>see Apple going as far as the introduction of the PowerPC, and then turning
>that over to IBM, phasing out the low-end Macs, and eventually trashing
>the entire Mac line(what's the use when PowerPC will be so much better?)
>Scully wants to grab the market of all those Pepsi drinking, Dorrito snacking
>people out there and sell them a High-tech notebook(well, obviosly more than
>just a notebook...) In other words... if Scully leads Apple into the future, 
>I don't see the Macintosh lasting more then another 5 years.
>What are other peoples opinions on this?
>
>        Rob
>
What's the value of a Mac going to be when a PowerPC that's twice as
fast as a Quadra, half the price, and runs Mac software comes out?

Who wants a Powerbook when Newton is the flagship of Apple?

It looks like Apple has two future product lines, but the Mac
isn't one of them.

Terry Wilcox
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:33:24 GMT
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University

Jim Wong writes
> >>NeXTstep 486 ...  even if you can run
> >>the UI and some applications flawlessly, your 486-based DOS box 
> >>is still not going to be a NeXT.  It's missing far, far too much.
> >
> >Like what?
> >
> Like all the hardware that differentiates a NeXT from your run of
> the mill DOS machine.
> 
You can get equivalent hardware if you want.  In fact, if you load up  
your 486 clone enough, you can probably get better performance than  
on a NeXT box.  Of course, doing so will hike your price quite  
substantially.  The main point, though, in NS486's favor, it seems to  
me, is that you can make your own price/performance trade-offs, ie  
put together a very cheap system that works or a very fancy system  
with all the bells and whistles, or anything in between, depending on  
your needs and budget.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:28:23 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

> 	EMPLANT = DEATH OF HIGH PRICED MACINTOSH.
> 	FULL MACINTOSH QUADRA SYSTEMS FOR UNDER $4,000.

Well, I doubt that *even* if the Emplant works. I don't think Apple
will give up without a fight.


---
"Piracy is theft." / FAST
"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: NeXT OS, TOO SLOW TO $#@#$, etc.
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:48:46 GMT

Edward V. Wright writes
> >The price of a lot of Unix software is high.  That's not true of a  
> >lot of NeXT software.  WriteNow is $89 edu, 
> 
> A program developed by another company owned by Steve Jobs.  Not
> surprising that the NeXT version is so cheap.
> 
Whatever its origins, WriteNow/NeXT is now marketed by a company that  
has no links to Steve Jobs.  Besides, what if it did?  As long as you  
can get software cheap, who cares. 

> >Many vendors have very attractive edu prices.   
> 
> And many people do not qualify for edu prices. 
> In fact, (brace yourself, this may come as a shock to you) 
> *most* people do not.
> 
Oh give it a break.  The original poster cited Mac edu prices, I  
cited NeXT edu prices back.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
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From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where will NeXT be in 4 years?
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:16:08
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
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In-reply-to: smytonj@quig19.alleg.edu's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.185745.21030@pellns.alleg.edu> smytonj@quig19.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:

   What amazes me is how defensive the NeXT owners  
   are.  One post about the fact that I personally don't like them that much  
   and I have about 20 people on my butt.

I don't really think it's that much different from what Mac people where
years back..
-- 
         Tero Nieminen                      DANGER!
         ttn@cs.tut.fi                   Computer Bytes!
From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:35:22
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
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	<1992Nov6.190827.2593@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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In-reply-to: torrie@cs.stanford.edu's message of 7 Nov 92 19:00:19 GMT

In article <torrie.721162819@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

   spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:

   >Not quite.  A Q700 is really equivalent to a non-turbo color NeXT, so  
   >that comparison is misleading.  The proper comparison is between a  
   >Q950 and a Turbo color NeXT.
   >According to my edu price list, a Turbo Color NeXTstation 16/250 is  
   >$4790; the 21" monitor is $2392:  Total $7182
   >A Q950 8/230 is $5520; 21" monitor is $2630, total 8150
   >So the NeXT still has a price advantage.  Notice also that you're  
   >actually getting a better system (eg 16MB RAM vs 8).

     Hmmm.  I didn't notice the 5 NuBus 90 slots in the Turbo Colour
   NeXTstation last time I looked...

So where did you notice the 3 NuBus slots then? Time visit your optician?  ;)
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     ttn@cs.tut.fi               Mit{ se mulle kuuluu.
From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple's CEO?
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:17:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Nov7.041734.7773
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

<IO92142@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Is this possible..and if so, will Apple be able to
>keep going in such a strong direction that
>Sculley has chosen?

>Apple's success in the past years could not
>have been possible without such excellent
>leadership, a leadership that Apple wil
>definatley need in the 21st century when competition
>really start to kick in.

>I love Apple and I'd hate to see the company take
>any steps backwards.

There are many who think that Apple already has taken a step backwards.  The
Quadras have been a disappointment to many, far less than was expected.  
Similar things have been said about System 7.

Apple's announcements in the high end of the market, both "MIPS"-wise and
technology wise, have been less then groundbreaking.  Put on top the that
the fact that Apple it absolutely gutting their dealer channels, who provided
high quality service, in favor of "consumer" channels where the "sales 
associates" have a hard time figuring out what kind of memory to put into
the systems.

Of course Apple is so far ahead of the MS-Windows/MS-DOS world... but unless
they do something substantial the lead isn't likely to last against
Microsoft's money...

-- 

Matthew Lyle                                           matt@oc.com
                                                       matt@utdallas.bitnet
OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 888-0474
From: johnsd2@jec322.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: the NeXT option (Was Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT)
Date: 30 Oct 92 03:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.mna19jh
Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <TTN.92Oct29064455@matkijarastas.cs.tut.fi>, ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen) writes:
|> In article <-m=1q6m@rpi.edu> johnsd2@jec314.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
|> 
|>    Its also worth mentioning that the way co-operative mt works requires
|>    that apps give up the cpu for a period of time- the sleep value
|>    to waitnextevent in the mac's case. During this time, if no other
|>    app wants any time, NOTHING gets done. This waste does not happen
|>    in pre-emptive systems. It would be nice...
|> 
|> Actually, this isn't quite so. Mac applications need to periodically
|> call WNE to allow the OS and other applications to proceed. That much is
|> correct. But the sleep value info is not quite right.

Yes it is. Trust me. :)

|> An indling application (ie. one that has nothing else to do but to wait
|> for the user) will set the sleep value to a suitable value after which
|> time the controll will be resumed in that aplication, if it needs to do
|> some time to time checking for instance. Busy applications call it with
|> zero, so that they will resume execution as soon as every other program
|> has had it's chance of proceeding. So you don't really call WNE with a
|> number value if you don't specifically want to pause your application
|> for some time.

If you are in the background you should NOT call WNE with sleep=0
because if you do the system WILL bog down. Ive done it,
it really happens.

|> The factor that controlls how much each application proceeds in a Mac
|> environment is the amount of work each application in decides to make
|> when it gets its chance. So responsive and friendly applications are the
|> ones who loose and greedy ones are winners.

Just so.
-- 
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
You'll never know whose they are.
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Oct23.211012.20812@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<bmccnnll.720056834@unix1.tcd.ie>
	<1992Oct28.041251.118883@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Oct29.051139.11315@cs.uow.edu.au> <6281.2af56fde@hayes.com>
	<1992Nov6.085209.26824@cs.uow.edu.au>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:40:28 GMT

RBL> == Richard Barry Ling <u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au> 

 RBL> If only they spent it on the right things.  It's nigh on ten years
 RBL> since the Mac was developed and the most powerful 68040 Mac still
 RBL> can't format a floppy in the background.

I format floppies maybe once a week at most.  I use TCP/IP daily.  I'd
rather they spend time and money continuing to support and upgrade
MacTCP than spend it on hardware engineering for background floppy
formatting.  Your priorities may differ.
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:06:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.pmp1ntj

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
> 
> >>>>> "Garance" == Garance A. Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu)
> 
> Garance> Er, I have to agree with Edwin on this one.  Peter apparently
> Garance> does not understand what the word "binary compatibility"
> Garance> means.  NeXT has source-code compatability, and (by all
> Garance> reports) a very good job of that.  That isn't the same as
> Garance> binary compatability though.
> 
> No, Peter understands binary compatibility. He *also* understands the
> apparently very complex idea that you can put binary code for two
> different CPUs in one file. This seems to be more than some people can
> handle.

In the part of the message that you did not quote (ie, the part where peter  
is talking), he specifically says that the NeXT had "binary compatability"  
because "all you need to do is recompile".  That statement, by definition,  
shows that Peter seems to be confused about what binary compatability means.   
If something has binary compatability, then by definition you do not have to  
recompile it.  Period.

I well understand the trivial idea of fat binaries.  I also understand what  
binary compatability means.  Please do not try to warp the two concepts into  
somehow being the same thing, because I'm mildly depressed whenever I have  
to agree with Edwin in this thread, and on this particular topic I must  
agree with him (either that, or I'd be wrong, and I'd much rather agree with  
him than say something which is simply not true).

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
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From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: Software prices/availability
Keywords: software prices next mac dos
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:27:06 GMT

In article <justin.721479719@aix3090b.uky.edu> justin@aix3090b.uky.edu (Justin P Sullivan) writes:
>Terry Wilcox writes:
>
>>I don't think I have any software that takes up as much space as MS Word.
>>Come to think of it, WriteNow, Edit, and FrameMaker combined don't take
>>up as much space as Word.
>
>And Word 5.1 for the Mac doesn't take up anywhere NEAR the space Word
>for Windows 2.0 demands for a full installation.. Following along with that
>thought, everything I have and use on my Mac combined doesn't take up 
>nearly as much space as a full NeXTstep 3.0 install.. :)

But the full NeXTSTEP 3.0 CD probably cost less :). At least there's
not too much bloat. (excuses, excuses, I know).

Terry Wilcox



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: smytonj@quig19.alleg.edu (James Smyton)
Subject: Where will NeXT be in 4 years?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:57:45 GMT

Ok.
I guess I have learned a few things about the kind of printers and modems  
the NeXT can work with.  What amazes me is how defensive the NeXT owners  
are.  One post about the fact that I personally don't like them that much  
and I have about 20 people on my butt.  Maybe the reason is that they all  
have sunk some dough in to a company with an uncertain future?

Just an observation!  

--
J S  (smytonj@alleg.edu)
From: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:04:28 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1205amac8.larc.nasa.gov

> In article <CKD.92Nov11161051@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher 
>Davis) writes:
>>Terrance> == Terrance Wilcox 260-8100 <wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca> 
>>
>> Terrance> How many people need another monitor (except for those of you 
>cursed
>> Terrance> with the Apple micro monitor)?
>>
>>Maybe you need 24-bit color *and* a two-page display, but you can't
>>afford a 24-bit color two-page display...so you get a 13" 24-bit color
>>monitor and a 21" n-bit monochrome monitor, and appropriate cards.
>>--
>>Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
>><ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
>>System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
>>+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
>Terry Wilcox responds
>If you need 24 bit color and a two page display, it's likely cheaper
>to buy a 21" monitor with a 24 bit color card. If you need both, you
>likely need them both at the same time.

Its cheaper to buy a small color monitor and a large grayscale than to buy a 
large color monitor, below are some lists prices $US, street or edu prices 
should be cheaper for both setups and other models or makes could also 
influence the final prices, I couldn't remember if 1 meg of VRAM could drive 
the 13" in 24 bit or not so I list the cost of 2 meg total VRAM, both setups 
have accelrated video and 21" maximum displays. I currently use two displays 
(8 bit and 4 bit not 24 bit and 8 bit) and a 21" color monitor would be nice 
but two monitors are a useable setup.

Quadra 700 setup

RatorOps 21" Color Display  List $3,599 US
RatorOps 24Xli Video Board	List $2,499
Total  $6,098
vs

Apple 13" RGB list $799
VRAM upgrade 3 kits list $525
Radius Two-page display list $1,399
PrecisionColor 8xj Video Inerface list $599
Total  $3,322

Wally Vaughn
These are my opinions not NASA's or the US Governments


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From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: NeXT OS, TOO SLOW TO $#@#$, etc.
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:44:44 GMT

In article <ewright.721439240@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1992Nov10.165401.23447@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
>
>
>>The price of a lot of Unix software is high.  That's not true of a  
>>lot of NeXT software.  WriteNow is $89 edu, 
>
>A program developed by another company owned by Steve Jobs.  Not
>surprising that the NeXT version is so cheap.

You don't know much do you? Jobs owns neither T/Maker or Appsoft.
Both companies license WriteNow from Jobs. The T/Maker Mac version
is pretty cheap. I wonder why that is? Wouldn't Jobs force them
to charge more? Try moving back into the real world.
>
>>or $49 for a version without manuals.  Draw (a very nice drawing 
>>package) is $159/$89.   WordPerfect is $150.  Improv, Lotus' new 
>>spreadsheet, is $179.  
>
>You mean "Lotus's spreadsheet, which NeXT paid Lotus to develop."

No doubt. How much did Intel cough up for NeXTSTEP 486? A million?
That must be a sign. Why not invest in new developments, if the investment
benefits you? 
>
>And many people do not qualify for edu prices.
>
>In fact, (brace yourself, this may come as a shock to you) 
>*most* people do not.

Oh well. At non-edu prices (here in Canada that is), Macs still cost 
more than anything else. What's the difference?

>
>I don't know why it should surprise you that NeXT software is
>tends to be expensive.  It costs roughly the same amount to
>develop and market a program for the Mac, the NeXT, or the PC. 
>(Yes, I know someone will say that NeXTstep makes it possible
>to develop software for 1% the cost, but that is pure BS.) But
>the number of customers is smaller because Steve Jobs doesn't
>believe that anyone who can't afford the latest, high-end hardware
>deserves to have a NeXT.  Unless you can charge each customer a 
>fairly hefty price (or unless NeXT is underwriting your development 
>cost), you can't afford to develop for the NeXT.  It's simple
>economics.
>
>
And Apple is any better. The low end Macs get worse and worse.
The Performas are a Pepsi consumer ploy. How long until Sculley
brings back the taste test?

Terry Wilcox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: the NeXT option (Was Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT)
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:09:23 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <jak1=sl@rpi.edu>  writes:
>So on SOME systems threads a co-operatively multitasked within a  
processes,
>but in others they are just processes (but they share memory spaces
>with other processes)


Well, on *good* systems, they're pre-emptive.  :)

Seriously, though, Mach is proving the basis, at least theoretically, for  
a good deal of new operating systems because of how it implements stuff  
like this.  Thank goodness that SunOS and AIX are *not*.  :)


--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
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