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From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: The Future of China (German)
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP>, shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif
Schumacher) writes:
> 
> For all out there who are interested in China I would like to start a new 
> discussion on Chinas future. 
> 
> First I propose a few points of discussion:
> 
> 
> THe CCP regime will not last forever. It will be followed (sooner or later) 
> 	by some form of government which is open and democratic.
> 	This will hapen either peacefully or through a revolution.
> 
> China does not have a democratic tradition.
> 
> 
> The result of these points lead to the questions:
> 
> 	1) How could this transition happen ?
> 	2) What type of government will follow ?
> 	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 
> 
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Dear Leif:

Let us discuss the Germany Neo-Nazi Party and their anti-foreigner policy
first.  How long you think the Germany Government can last before the rise
of a Neo-Hitler?

HC
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:32:18 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

DDP said:
>>>>>> "XiaoFei" == XiaoFei Wang <xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu> writes:
>
>  XiaoFei> `I bought a new car' means the CAR is a new one, not a used one.
>  XiaoFei> ( That is, I bought a car from a dealer, not from Eddie ).  I
>  XiaoFei> might have another car before that or I might not. The sentence
>  XiaoFei> simply did not say anything about my driving history.
>
>That's tons of bull. When you bought a new car, it's likely the car was
>already test driven many times. Was it a used one or new?  BTW, you have to
>put down the mileage to seal the deal.;-)

A car never titled is called new, isn't it? 
`I bought a new new car' means a new car;
`I bought a new car' means it could be a used car(not from eddie);
`I bought a used car' means it was from eddie.

:-)
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:00:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug28.010202.14956@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Ch
unde Shi) writes:
>Male "banana"'s ass is valued high by white gay men. The reason for that are
>two folds. One is that male "banana"s normal receives arrogant, if not hostile
>, attitude from Whites. When a White man makes an sexual advance, in a
>pledging mode. The male "banana" will be so moved by the sudden "friendliness"
>from White man. Even though the male "banana" does not have any interests of
>being stuffed in ass, he is more than willing to submit himself, for the
>pleasure of being wanted by a whiteman. second is that, even thogh the
>hostility toward "banana" on surface, deep in whitemen heart, there is "fear",
>mythical feeling, "respect" toward "banana", because the "banana" from a
>culture that dwarfs all others, the need to share a piece of that culture
>through body contact compell them to move. The above two apply to Female
>"banana" in the relationship with white men too. To back up my claim, I like
>to give two examples:
>San Francisco is a "banana" most concetrated place in U.S., by no accident
> the city is gayman capital in U.S. too. People bacome "banana" for the sake of

> gold, that is why San Francisco is called Old Gold Mountain(Jiu2 Jin1 San1)
> in the "banana"'s known language, but lost their asses, that is why I call
> San Francisco Old Ass Mountain(Jiu2 Gan1 San1).
>Another story is that about Nixion visit "banana"'s fatherland. Just before
> he took on journey, his staff member arranged him with a "banana" young femal.
> The rational behind the act is that Mao's people kicked Nixon's people's asses
> in Korea, Vietname, to get even with so many "bananas" asses lost in U.S..
> In order to say to himself that I got one of you too when met Mao, and have
> enough confidence to stand straight without too much leg-shakng, He closely,
> carefully "examed" the femal "banana", in and out. Made her giggle, cry,
> be exhsausted, be satistified, etc on the White Hours bed the night.
>
>Just a piece of reality for "bananas" or "bananas_about_to_be", joy? sad?
>what ever.
>

congratulations, mr. shi. this is a most insightful piece of
"confession" i have seen in this news group for a long time.
it shows a tortured mind of xenophobic and homophobic in
reconcile with his sexall desire and fantacies. the failure
of finding a mate to have sexual intercourse and the impotence
at those extrimely rare occations subject him to self hatred
that eventually cause the mental breakdown. a confession shch
as this can temporarily release some anxieties but i have to
agree with another netter: go see a psychiatrist before it's too
late. we don't want to see another lu gang incident, do we?
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:22:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-). Why don't you also want contribution from Mr. Carl?
The guy posted more articles than me. Is that because You can 
tell his arguments are generally illogic?:-), but 
I am a little busy now, I cann't give you much help on this 
matter. Why don't we play something easier for you, your e-mail 
address remainds me of one speech made by Abraham Lincoln
(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA--in case you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about some qustions about 
this speech, I might give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth in their
military chest
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO river or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

My questions:
1) Which is the original version (by Abraham Lincoln).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese stuff."
By the way, you are not related to CIT at all, are you?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA personel, CIA offered help to them, 
I really cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:30:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech:
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth 
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. As a country of free men, we must
live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

First question:
1) Which is the original version (by A.L.).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese matter."
By the way, are you sure you are not related to CIT at all?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA, CIA offered help to them, I really
cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:56:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <27AUG199218244250@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>
>So, Here is the Hillary!
>If a child is abused, the it is up to the judiciary system of the country
>not the neighborhood or someone else. Internationally, there is no one
>who is supposed to be policemen. Take an example of what you called 
>child abuse. When you were young, did your Dad ever slash you on your
>face? My Dad did. Do you call that Child Abuse? It is considered Child
>Abuse in the US! 
>Back to the country=parents logic. I do not have that logic. But country
>is at some sense close to a family. One family's rule may not apply to
>another family. I do not know whether you believe ABSOLUTE or not. I do
>not. If there is not absolute, then there is no right or wrong, only there
>is lawful or not. If there is no law, then, no law becomes law. So, do
>not bring your law to my family.(I do not mean you personally)

  Why should others bother if you just enjoy your Dad's slashing your
  face?  But if you slash your children, don't take it granted that they
  will like your slashing, and don't think your slashing will prevent
  them from getting away from you if they don't like your slashing.
  After all, kids will grow up.

-ping
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 9
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:38:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 9)

Between 300 AD and 309 AD, Chinese astronomer Chen Zhuo combines the
star maps produced by Shih Shen, Gan De and Wu Xien (all Chinese in the
4th BC) into a single map; the Chinese may have begun to develop the
abacus, although the first printed reference to one comes in 1593 AD;
the Chinese learn to use coal instead of wood as the fuel in making cast
iron; 

In 302 AD, the earliest known depiction of a stirrup is made in China.

In 304 AD, the first recorded example of biological control of pests is
made by Hsi Han (a Chinese) in Record of plants and trees of the
southern regions, in which he reports on how specially selected ants are
used to protect mandarin oranges from other insects that might attack
the plants.

In 369 AD, the Chinese report a new star possibily a supernova that
remains visible for five months.

In 386 AD, the Chinese report a new star possibily a nova that remains
visible for three months.

In 393 AD, the Chinese observe a "guest star" most likely a supernova,
in the constellation Scorpio; it remains visible for eight months.

Between 400 AD and 409 AD, the Chinese learn to make steel by forging
together cast and wrought iron; the Chinese invent the umbrella.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.161622.27578@news.acns.nwu.edu>, zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes...
>In article <1992Aug25.214559.17827@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.192107.1704@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>>>~In article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>                                                   I do think *most* of the
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	
>Westerners are seriously misinformed about China.  As a matter of fact, that
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is the subject of an article I am trying to put together.  Those people
 							    ^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>who traved in and out of China for short period of time, have limited sources
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>to access, limited people to talk to, read little or no Chinese, citing each o
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ther's works, will hardly appear in my dictionary as 'Chinese Experts'.  Their
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>so-called evidents most of time failed to strike me as concrete, and their
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>conclusion by their "common sense' fell way short of what is needed to convinc
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
e me.  Worse yet, there are too many people who read their works and used their 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>evidents as facts, not to mention those politicians and a selfish bunch of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>Chinese who would sell anything for their benefits.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS IS GREAT!!! I AM 100% AGREE!

>  3rd, forget about above, your original post attempted to use an evident to
>convince my fellow Chineseman that his evident is not that obivious.  All I
>suggest is that you should check your own source before you take on other's.
>If you get more facts you want to sell about Tibet, then stay on this
>title and someone should pay attention to you.  If you want to take on my
>1st or 2nd issue, I suggest you change the title.  If it is obious, I will
>find it.  
> 
>  Brian 
> 
>  GO. CORNHUSKERS.  
>  ok.  go wildcat too. 
> 
>
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:25:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech:
 "...At what point shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth 
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. As a country of free men, we must
live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."
(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
feels so exciting.:-) )
First question:
1) Which is the original version (by A.L.).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese matter."
By the way, are you sure you are not related to CIT at all?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA, CIA offered help to them, I really
cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:29:24 GMT

In article <l9nld3INN3c0@sal-sun99.usc.edu> zyou@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Zhongbai  
You) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.224614.1005@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Well, Mr. You, don't forget that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were in the  
USSR  
> >map for quite a long time. Does it really mean anything?! If you had asked  
the  
> >USSR leaders then about these three countries, they would have certainly  
said:    
> >"There is no question as USSR's sovereignty over these three countries. Any  
> >discussion about minority rights shall be conducted in that framework!" Of  
> >course they might even say: "Look, open your eyes big! If you dare to split  
our  
> >socialist motherland, KGB will be waiting for you."
> >
> 
>   Before those states got independence, there is no doubt about USSR's
> sovereignty over those states. Those states later decided indepedence
> after USSR collapsed. They became sovereignty countries.
>   Your comparsion to Tibet does not make much sense. Tibet is still part
> of China. China does hold sovereignty over Tibet. Why do you doubt it?
> 

Why can't I? Your explaination is not clear. Actually, I am not a promoter of  
Tibet Independence because I am not sure whether Tibet is a province of China  
or not. You simply should not treat a person with different opinion in a brutal  
way. 

> 
> >Your last paragraph really spoke out what you really think of this issue.  
Yes  
> >you will never give up your land even if this piece of land is obtained by  
> >force. 
> 
> 
>    I will never give up my land if the land  belongs to me by LAW.
>                                                            =======


Wait a minute! What kind of LAW are you talking about?! You always take things  
for granted. Don't forget, Janpanese occupied Taiwan by their LAW too.

>     The weakest person is the one who give up his property easily.
> 

The weakest and evilest persons are those who want to oppress other people  
while they themselve are under oppression.

Carl
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:08:33 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug26.053713.10429@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:

>I think I know what you are alluding to here.  A few Chinese people sent
>me some e-mail saying that the Chinese are too humane.  They then went on
>to say, half seriously, that there would be fewer problems in Tibet today
>if they had simply gone ahead and killed all the Tibetans.

It's not a matter of killing.  The Tibetans are in a very dangerous
position from simple demographics.  The population of the Tibet
Autonomous Region is 2 million (with maybe a third Han), and the total
number of all Tibetans is about 6 million.  That's less than the
population of any major city in China.

If the Chinese government wanted to, it could wipe out Tibetan culture
simply by convincing about 1% of 900 million Han Chinese to move there
to Tibet.  That "ultimate weapon" has been suggested at times, but has
largely been rejected by the Chinese government.  (According to
Goldstein, Han immigration has largely been confined to Lhasa, and it
consists mainly of peasants who are searching for a better life.
Because they consider themselves "migrants" who plan to return home to
their native provinces, they don't feel any need to learn Tibetan.  In
the country side, all government officials are Tibetan, you can go for
days without seeing a Han Chinese.)

In a lot of cases, efforts at reducing ethnic tensions in Tibet have
backfired.  For example, efforts to improve the economic condition of
Tibet have caused to to rise above the surrounding provinces and
produced a flood of Han peasants hoping to get rich.  Efforts to
preserve the Tibetan culture have resulted in separate schools for
Tibetans (which give out instruction in Tibetan) and Han (which give
out instruction in Mandarin), and have promoted de-facto segregation
between the two.  (I can dig out the references for all these pieces
of information if anyone is interested.  They are all Western
eye-witness reports on Tibet written by people with no obvious
political motives.)

To it's credit however, the Chinese government is taking active
measures to "Tibetanize" the C.C.P in T.A.R.  Most of the cadres in
Tibet as well as the Party General Secretary there are Tibetan, and
the government has thus far not used the "ultimate weapon."

(Actually, the effort to "Tibetanize" the CCP in Tibet seems to me
to resemble greatly the successful effort to "Taiwaneseize" the KMT
in Taiwan)

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