HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard)
Subject: Re: Minority languages in the EC
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:03:40 GMT

keeshu@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl writes

>[BeginObAnecdote] 
>When you show an EEC model driving licence to an official in the USA,
>they look at it with a frown and say "What the h*ll is THIS?" Then
>when you go on to explain that THIS is a driving licence, that it is
>a valid one, and that it is recognised on over 13 countries in Europe
>they just shake their head and mumble something about "funny papers".
>[EndObAnecdote]

I got the same response when I first got to New York and tried to use
my California driver's license as identification at a bank (to get $1500
cash for a deposit on an apartment!).  Amazingly, not even the day manager
had ever seen a California license and so refused to accept it.

Tom

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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: E/ire is ainm don Sta/t.... -- Name of Country
Date: 27 Jul 1992 08:45:09 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Jul26.082249.3013@maths.tcd.ie>, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:

	> 	I coresponded for a year or two with some English SF-fans who,
	> despite being corrected on five occasions seemed incapable of putting
	> "Ireland" on the postal address. I got "Republic of Ireland", "Eire",
	> "E'ire" (which is, at least, spelled correctly) and, worst of all,
	> "Southern Ireland". Luckily our post office doesn't have to be as
	> strict as our courts.
	> 
Well, at least they knew there was some postal distinction between North &
South. When I lived in the North I got thoroughly fed up with recieving
letters from mainland UK simply addressed to <villagename>, Ireland, which
had invariably gone via Dublin before being rerouted, and arriving several
days late. Not to mention the packages from British mail-order companies
which arrived bearing customs declarations, 'Export Order' & AirMail stickers
(though oddly enough, even the supposed Export orders still had VAT charged,
so I suspect the problem lay with the companies' post rooms & not their
sales depts).

Steve
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Separation vs. integration (Was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:19:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1992Jul25.145758.27382@cs.hw.ac.uk> mark@cs.hw.ac.uk (Mark Riordan) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.010149.7899@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>>In article <tahonen.26@katk.Helsinki.FI>, tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo
>>Ahonen) writes:
>>
>>|>independent nations. According to your logic Eire should never have 
>>|>separated from Britain. Should she now rejoin the UK?
>>
>>She did. Eire joined the EC and has now given to Brussels control over a
>>large slice of ecconomic and social policy.

>The poster may be close to a truth in that there is a large
>element of interdependence which the seperation in 1921 does not
>reflect. I would remind him though that for many years the Irish
>campaigned, largely peacefully, for greater autonomy within the union.
>Only when that was denied did Ireland finally break away.

My reference to the Republic of Ireland in the original posting was only to 
contradict Ulick's statement that the Slovaks are stupid to break up the 
union since they won't benefit from being independent whereas they have 
benefitted from the union. I think some people thought the same way 
about the Irish independence, and I would *guess* that from a purely 
economic point of view Ireland didn't benefit from the split at least 
*then* (this is, of course, one of those 'what if this what happened wouldn't
have happened?' speculations, and not to be taken too seriously). But... 
money isn't everything in this world. And by the way, I *don't* think it 
would be a good idea for RoI to re-join the UK.

>>National rediscovery? What prey is that? 

>Common Sense> Oh no Mark you said you'd stop after the first bit.

>Mark> Oh shut up you, I'm on a roll

>National Rediscovery is a process whereby a people denied 
>effective control over their lives and too busy surviving to
>think too much on culture, heritage etc. come to realise that
>they are a people who have contributed and will contribute in
>the future a lot to the betterment of mankind. They suddenly
>feel they can do it and no longer need the helping hand of some
>overlord to hold their hands. Its great. IMHO.

Very nicely put. Couldn't have said it better in my native tongue. I 
explained it in a much cruder way using an example in another posting.

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From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Subject: Re: E/ire is ainm don Sta/t.... -- Name of Country
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:22:49 GMT

In article <92206.092148RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.092851.20554@dscomsf.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de
>(Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) says:
>>In article <1992Jul23.161018.14257@news.nd.edu>,
>>ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>|>Firstly, a correction.  Eire is a Gaelic word and is incorrect (in
>>|>Irish courts, anyway) when used in an English sentence.
>>
>>It's what the country calls itself. The English language is known for
>>it's ability to absorb such foriegn words as `bungalow' which you would
>>have known wer you au fait with it. The Irish courts are not an arbiter
>>of the English language.
>
>Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland reads:
>"E/ire is ainm don Sta/t no/, sa Sacs-Bhe/arla, _Ireland_.
>(_Ireland_ is in italics in my copy). This translates into "The name of the
>State is E/ire, or in the English language, _Ireland_".
>
>The Irish call Ireland Ireland when speaking in English, (which is what
>most of us speak all the time). I think the Irish themselves are a much
>better judge of the best name to use than Mr Hallam-Baker.
	Ah, someone who *knows* what they are talking about.
	There was an article in The Irish Times about two years ago when
England was up in arms over another rejected extradition attempt. The
whole article was a quote made from the presiding judge who was showing
his annoyance with the English authorities. Basically they had put down
on the request form "Country: Republic of Ireland". He said that this is
not the name of our country (as you have quoted in the constitution) and
had to be rejected on those grounds. More annoying is that the English know
that is not the name of our country and that we would reject it if they
put that down. Thus the whole thing was an exercise in dirty politics so
that (the then prime-minister) Thatcher could maintain the fiction that
Ireland is a harbour for terrorists.
	I coresponded for a year or two with some English SF-fans who,
despite being corrected on five occasions seemed incapable of putting
"Ireland" on the postal address. I got "Republic of Ireland", "Eire",
"E'ire" (which is, at least, spelled correctly) and, worst of all,
"Southern Ireland". Luckily our post office doesn't have to be as
strict as our courts.

				Jo

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From: dml@philabs.philips.com (Damian M. Lyons)
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Organization: Autonomous Systems, Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193321.12267@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <1992Jul27.114614.28993@rdg.dec.com>, by cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn):
>>  ...........
>> 	A new study shows people of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent are
>> three times as likely to suffer from alcoholism as those in the general
>> population. Today's study was reported in the Guardian newspaper.
>>
>
>Is this study broken down into Welsh, Scots, and Irish? It would be
>interesting to see that breakdown, because is the "problem" genetic or
>cultural. Also, to get off the subject a little, how Celtic are the

Hmmmm, `Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent' sounds to me like `not
(English descent)', so I would have even more questions: Was this
study performed in mainland Briton or just in England (the `Scottish,
Welsh, and Irish descent' hints at England). If in England, then two
interesting questions might be: how does this compare to rates in the
countries of origin and how does it compare with socio-economic
breakdowns of the population? Also, if the study was of just England,
then what other ethnic groups were considered? I would guess that
`Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent' have to be the biggest ethnic
minorities in England, though I understand that Asian immigration may
have changed that.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: What's in a name was Re: Separation vs. integration (Was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:57:00 GMT

--

|>
|>Britain kindly gave us the English language and we will therefore
|>use it as we see fit, ree (here read right in standard english) :-). 
|>
|>>
|>>|>Ireland is preferred.
|>>
|>>Nope, Not in this context, we prefer that you use anything but the
|>>language of appologists for murder and hatred.

Ireland is the name used by most people in this country (by this country
I mean Republic of Ireland or what you'd call Eire) to refer to this country,
it's also used to refer to this island.  It is not used to make a political
point.  Generally the IRA et al refer to this country as the "Free state" or
the 26 counties.

Most Irish people don't like the term Eire.  Actually the Irish has an accent
over the first e - .  Most of us use Ireland .  The Republic of Ireland
and the Irish Republic are quite acceptable to most people.  Likewise
Northern Ireland is quite neutral but the term Ulster can get feelings
running high.
  
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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:45:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
>> From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI-Radio)
>> .....
>>       A new study shows people of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent are
>> three times as likely to suffer from alcoholism as those in the general
>> population. Today's study was reported in the Guardian newspaper.
>>
>cultural. Also, to get off the subject a little, how Celtic are the
>Scots.

The survey was based on surnames, when it says "Scottish" it
actually means those with indisputably Celtic names of
Highlands origin.

Matthew Huntbach
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: fools (was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:01:16 GMT
	<1992Jul17.141344.22343@wraxall.inmos.co.uk>
	<1992Jul20.074350.17248@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> <3650@wzv.win.tue.nl>
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl's message of 21 Jul 92 12:05:59 GMT

In article <3650@wzv.win.tue.nl> rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta) writes:

   What the fuck does this have to do with Greece ??? Change the subject
   if you stray from the original topic, fool !

   Rob

Direct your childish temper at those who originally changed the subject, fool.
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From: caar14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scottish Football (Highland league)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:46:46 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul29.170146.2913@news.clarkson.edu>, walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:> 
> Do you also have the standings for the Highland League from last season?
> 														GW
I'm afraid I don't. I'll do my best to get a hold of the final Highland League
table and post it to this newsgroup.

The Highland League teams did particularly well in the Scottish Cup last year.
Both Caley and Huntly made it to the fourth round before being put out by
Premier Division St. Johnstone and Airdrie respectively. Caley scored two
goals in the last ten minutes at Telford Street to force a replay in Perth
which they lost 3-0. Airdrie's former Peterhead striker Andy Smith grabbed
a hatrick in his sides 3-1 win at Christie Park. Huntly's best result in the
tournament was their 2-0 victory over Dumbarton at Boghead.
I'm pretty sure that Ross County lost 8-5 (over 90mins !!) at Berwick Rangers.

Ronnie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: E/ire is ainm don Sta/t.... -- Name of Country
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:24:18 GMT

mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>The extradition order refused for an IRA suspect because the
>British authorities got the name wrong most surely helped build
>up Unionist resentment against Ireland and the incorrect belief
>that the Irish authorities secretly support the IRA. This would
>then feed into the mentality which refuses any form of
>compromise or dealings with the Republic. For the sake of
>making a point a large blow was delivered against the prospects
>for peace.

That is as may be, but I don't know what you think the Irish
Government should have done about it, the courts being independent of
governmental control.

,
Eamonn
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: US Census statistics
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:39:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Jul27.055050.5451@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes...
>There was an article in today's New York Times which used various surveys and
>poll results to try to distill a description of a 'typical' American
>(a dubious exercise, at best).  The one factoid that caught my eye was the
>Census data that indicated that fully 13.1% of Americans claim some Irish
>ancestry, while only 11% claim any amount of English ancestry  (the 'Irish'
>were second only to the 'Germans' - 19.6% claimed German ancestry). I
>don't know whether I'm more surprised at the large percentage of
>'Irish-Americans' or at the low number who recognize English ancestry,
>given the country's origins, or at the fact that the Census Bureau
>even asks something like this...

Judging from some of the contributions in this newsgroup, an
American with several British ancestors and one Irish ancestor
is likely to claim to be "Irish-American" and engage in
sentimental Brit-bashing whenever the opportunity arises. I'm
not surprised by the figures.

Matthew Huntbach
From: JMoylan@cup.portal.com (John Thomas Moylan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish Drumming in the U.S.?I am a big fan of Irish music, t
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:16:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

...your best bet would to be to find a local specialty music store, such
as Dearborn Music (Dearborn, Michigan) which carry a good deal of "ethnic"
music.  I also understand that Repeat the Beat is currently carrying many of
the Clannad albums...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dlg47782@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tegid Tathal)
Subject: The Nawglan: information?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:05:44 GMT

While reading the other day, I came across an interesting word I had not seen
before and whose meaning, asuming the author was not totally making this up,
which I seriously do not think he was, intrigued me.  It was "Nawglan," meaning
"The Sacred Nine."  It was used in reference to nine sacred woods (willow,
alder, rowan, yew, etc...).  These and many times their ashes, were used in
sacred rituals, acording to this author.  Has anyone heard of anything like 
this before, and since my command of the language is poor at best, can 
anyone inform me how to pronounce the word.  Any and all help welcome.
	Thanks..

Tegid Tathal

 
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Today, and then the future
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:03:34 GMT

> In <1992Jul23.103755.15546@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> 
>>From: spillane@ctron.com (Jim Spillane)
>>>What a fool to think Clinton can do anything but ruin our country.
>>>He'll raise taxes we can't afford to pay.
> 
>>Can't or won't? Have you Americans already cut back on your
>>luxuries? Would extra taxes mean you going hungry or naked? Or
> 
Which Americans do you have in mind? Everyone? Does this include Bernie
Sanders (Ind/Socialist) who is the Representative in the House for one
of the districts in Vermont?

Could it not equally be said that "you British are such a bunch of
conservatives since you voted for the Tories at the last 3 or is it 4 
elections."

Mmmmmh?

																G

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard)
Subject: US Census statistics
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:50:50 GMT

There was an article in today's New York Times which used various surveys and
poll results to try to distill a description of a 'typical' American (a dubious
exercise, at best).  The one factoid that caught my eye was the Census data
that indicated that fully 13.1% of Americans claim some Irish ancestry, while
only 11% claim any amount of English ancestry  (the 'Irish' were second only 
to the 'Germans' - 19.6% claimed German ancestry).  I don't know whether I'm
more surprised at the large percentage of 'Irish-Americans' or at the low
number who recognize English ancestry, given the country's origins, or at the
fact that the Census Bureau even asks something like this...

Tom
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From: warrenk@cix.compulink.co.uk (Warren Kovach)
Subject: No subject
Reply-To: warrenk@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:33:00 +0000

TITLE: Re: Celtic alchoholism?
> +From         : cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
>         A new study shows people of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish descent are
> three times as likely to suffer from alcoholism as those in the general
> population. Today's study was reported in the Guardian newspaper.

Yes, but I believe their samples were taken solely from psychiatric
patients.  This doesn't neccessarily reflect the population as a
whole.
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Warren Kovach
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:58:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta)
>What the fuck does this have to do with Greece ??? Change the subject
>if you stray from the original topic, fool !

Parallels were being drawn between the situation in Northern
Ireland and the situation in the Balkans. There is no need to
be rude.

Matthew Huntbach
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From: finlay_j@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Ireland in th'Olympics
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:01:47 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Could some faithful netter out there (Spain@galvia or someone)
post some info about how the Irish are doing in the Olympics? I'm
not lucky enough to have cable, so my viewing is limited to very
selectively tuning in to NBC, where I will invariably see the
Dream Team securing another glorious victory against the might
of Angola or Croatia. The full results of each event are, of
course, published in the daily papers, but as they are usually
in fine print and not highlighted (as they might be in the Irish
Times, I don't always have time to find the Irish there.

I would primarily like to know about the Irish, but I won't object
to more specialized info about the Scots, Welsh or Manx athletes
(if indeed any still exist).

			Regards,

			Jeff Finlay
			St Peter's College


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From: keeshu@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Kees Huyser)
Subject: Re: Irish Drumming in the U.S.?I am a big fan of Irish music, traditional and modern, and one of
Organization: the National Institute for Nuclear Physics; the Netherlands
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:01:57 GMT

In article <92205.155349JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
#my favorite instruments is the Irish hand-drum(know the name, can't spell
#it).  Does anyone here know of any companies that put out tapes of that
#focus upon this instrument, or of a musician who records with the drum?

Jim,

The name of the instrument is "bodhra/n" (bowrahn). Try and get some of the
albums by "the Chieftains". They have a lot of bodrha/n in their music, and
some of the pieces have a lot of solo bodhra/n.

--kees
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