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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Blabst from the Pabst...)
Subject: Re: Polyesther leisure chutes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:49:00 GMT

In article <STEPH.92Oct7133417@candide.uchicago.edu>, steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes...
>``Oh the same thing that happened to them [the competitors sailmaker]
>  in Key West, they're not even making poly chutes right now.  Now,
>  we had our 0.6 up in 25 knots down there with no problem.''

You have to run this stuff through a filter to separate fact from
exaggeration. They never quite let you forget that they are salepeople
trying to move product... I have to say that STAT's inventory of Doyle
sails, mostly aged now, has had excellent competitive lifespan. Definitely
some good value there.

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Help, strange tiller action
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:13:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T

paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes:


>	I'm hoping that a few will take a shot at this one, I'm out of
>	theorys. Sailing on a friends Venture 224 last week, I noticed
>	that starting at about 3 knots the tiller started to oscilate
>	or shake slowly from port to starbd. As the boat picked up more 
>	speed this continued and the freq. incresed. This is not a violent
>	movement but is very annoying. 

>	Second question. One his main the luff has slugs for ease of 
>	up and down. But the foot is bolt rope. When he has to reef
>	the tyes are around the sail and the boom. Sail shape remains
>	good. He asked me why do all the books say not to tye around 
>	boom.                  

>	Any and all comments welcome, Thanks

I have seen similar behavior if you pick up weeks on the rudder.
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Backing up
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:58:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct13.180646.27416@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:


>The other day I was having trouble backing up
>with my sailboat and turning at the same time.

>Turning in one direction worked fine, turning the
>other direction did not.  In fact, the boat kept turning
>in the original direction despite havning the tiller
>pushed all the way to the other side.

>One of the guys in the marina said that was normal, that
>sailboats seem to back in one direction better than
>the other.

>What causes this??

The torque of your propeller. You can get rid of it by installint
twin engines, with opposite direction rotating propellers or a
duoprop, like they have in the torpedos or the Volvo Penta Duoprop. :-).
Unfortunately I have not seen istallations like this in sailing boats
under 70 feet. 

To make a more serious proposition, you should have a look at your
rudder. I modified my spade rudder so that I can turn it 360 degrees.
While backing I turn the rudder 180 degrees and the steering is much
better. If it is not possible to get the rudder turned around so that
the original leading edge is leading edge also while backing, then
it might be possible to change the profile by rounding the trailing
edge.

This might sound silly, but if your trailing edge is say about one 
centimeter, then take a plastic hose, with a diameter of about 3 centi-
meters, cut it open and fit it to the trailing edge of your rudder:

 leading edge ->   OM0MMMMMmmmmm------o  <- trailing edge, with the hose.
                    Rudder, view from top, 0 = rudder shaft
Your ability to steer is much improved while you are reversing. The tube
in the trailing edge helps your rudder to keep the flow laminar on the
lee side while backing. To some it might sound silly, but you must realize
that we are discussing the flows in fairly slow speeds.

>-Keith

- Lauri

PS: This trick to improve the steering ability while backing is long 
known by fishermen whose double ender wishings boats are norotiously
hard to manouver on reverse.
From: ballard@alc.com (Carl Ballard)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:01:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alc.1992Oct8.210121.2849
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ascent Logic Corporation

In article <1992Oct5.202421.13658@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.174755.9275@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
(Dave Rogers) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.022701.4839@netcom.com>, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
writes:
>>|> True on both counts. The Catalina 30 has "worn well" in a number of
>>|> different ways; the boats themselves seem to be standing up quite
>>|> well over the years, and the design seems to be holding up.
>>
>>This especially true of older Cataline 30s.  However, since 1986 the
>>Cataline 30 has the highest incidence of owner problem reports of *any
>>boat* sold in the US according the the Coast Guard.  The Coast Guard
>>maintains an 800 number "owner's hotline" to input and request
>>information about particular boats.  The figures are published perodicly
>>in Boat/US Boating and Equipment Reports.  Most of the complaints about
>>the Catalina 30s have to do with blistering. 
> 

My 1986 Catalina 30 developed blisters despite applicatio of the "Prophylactic
coatings."   True also of many in the (large) San Francisco Bay C-30 fleet.

It's not clear from the statistics whether Catalina deserves a cher or a jeer. 
While there may be more complaints about Catalina boats, there are a *lot* of
them.

- Carl Ballard
e-mail: ballard@alc.com
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From: mike@mote.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Friedrich)
Subject: Rigging Lasers and Bytes
Summary: Put on boom on or off of boat?
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:03:05 GMT

Our sailing club just got 2 Bytes, which are very similar to the Laser, but
smaller and more maneuverable.  In either of these boats, what's the best
way to rig it?  I do it by rigging the spars and sail, including the boom,
on the dock and then pushing the whole thing into the hull.  Others first
push the mast with sail into the hull, then connect the boom, but I find it
difficult to tighten the outhaul with the sail whipping around in the wind.

Trouble is, you can't use my method (put whole sail together, then push
into hull) on the Byte because it has a 4-to-1 block on the mainsheet, so
it's difficult to remove the boom from the hull.  I propose putting a
quick-release hook (similar to the Laser's) between the boom and the upper
block of the 4-to-1.  Then all you have to do is insert the fully-rigged
sail, connect the hook, fasten the downhaul, and go.  Has anyone attached
such a connector to the boom of a Byte, and if so, which hardware should I
use?

BTW, the Byte is great.  Compared to the Laser, it turns on a dime, seems
to be about 1/3 faster, is more tipsy but less likely to capsize, and is
better for lighter sailors.  Thanks!
--Mike
From: Paul.Saltzman@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Paul Saltzman)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: ftp sites
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:06:00 -0800

i would like to help but sadlyi come up short. I don't know what a ftp
site is, could i get some help. thanks. still a lot to learn...

 * OLX 2.2 * Press "+" to see another tagline.
From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Backing up
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:48:56 GMT

My prop is an 18" three blade prop on a full keel 35' sailboat.  A hard gun
astern produces a movement of about 18 - 24 inches to port with little or 
not concern for helm position.  

I leave the helm most of the way over to port.  Thus with a forward burst I 
can move the stern to stbd, with a reverse burst I move it to port.  Works
extremely well much to the surprise of the other full keel boats in the 
marina...


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Tricky docking
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:55:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvra.26100029
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA


It depends on a lot of things, but if there were space in the channel,
and I had reliable stopping power from the engine, I would "park"
crosswind and cross current and see which way I drifted.  Then head
into the dock at right angles such that the stern would drift into the
dock (i.e. bow to windward if I drifted with the wind).  Pull into the
dock, stop, catch the bow line to a cleat and let the stern drift into
the dock.

I like the spring line suggestion too.

---

Ben
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From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: "OMC Sea Drives"
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:19:26 GMT

On 13 Oct 1992 08:18:29 -0400, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) wrote:
>I've never dealt with or been in a boat that had one. As far as
>I recall, they were marketed back when the major manufacturers only
>made V4 outboards, and so they would likely be a little long in the
>tooth now. I don't know anything about the reliability of the trim
>and tilt mechanisms, but I'd guess the powerhead/drive components
>to be as reliable as any 10 year old OMC product.

Actually, OMC has been making V6 outboards since the mid-70's, and the
SeaDrives came out around 1983.  The powerheads and drive components
are taken from the OMC outboards parts bins.  Both V4 and V6 SeaDrives
have been available since the start.  (Does anybody know if they've been
discontinued yet?  I still see them advertized occasionally in boat
manufacturers' literature.)  The early V6 models had hydraulic steering
and drew their intake air from the interior of the boat through a
duct in the mounting bracket.  Their covers were supposed to be watertight
but weren't.  The early V4 models had mechanical steering and drew
their intake air from vents in the upper portion of the engine cover.

Sometime in the mid-80's, OMC redesigned the SeaDrives.  They removed
the ducted air intake on the V6's, and redid the mounting bracket and
control cable arrangements.  I don't know too much about that later
series of SeaDrives, as I was working for a Mercury/Mariner marina by
then.

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.

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From: lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems)
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:06:34 GMT

In article <MARC.92Oct8142644@marc.watson.ibm.com> marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander) writes:
>Unless the defense establishment caves on selective availability, the
>Coast Guard will almost certainly install differential GPS.

What's the real chances of the DOD being leant on to drop SA? Are there moves
afoot to do this?

Why on earth (or in orbit :-) did they implement it in the first place?
I don't believe that the KGB can't steal the plans/parts/complete sets
for the military (P Channel?) GPS units so who are the DOD trying to
screw up?

-- 
Regards,
        Russell
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From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: dingy bottoms
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:59:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:

>Is there anything good (and legal) to apply to the bottoms of dingys
>(like Lasers)?

The dinghy sailors are gonna flame you for this!

>I understand waxing the bottom is not recommended. I
>read in a book by Melges that he used to put dish detergent on his
>Star. Somehow I'de guess that's no longer allowed? 

Buddy was either pulling the world's leg, or was engaging in a little
gamesmanship. The detergent would be gone before he got to the start
line. Although one does hear this from time to time ....

The best thing to put on a boat bottom is #600 wet-n-dry, although
there's a school that thinks one should have the first third of the
bottom smooth, the second third rough and the back third smooth again.
You're going to have turbulence in the middle, so why not induce it
early?

This theory was propounded to me after I spent two days wet sanding
the Sonar bottom with #600...


dhs    spencer@panix.com
"There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth
         doing as simply messing around in boats."
               _The Wind in the Willows_
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: JR00000 <JR00@UNB.CA>
Subject: LA FILLE D'OR
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:51:57 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Subject: which sailboat should I buy?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:43:15 GMT

I'm in the market for my first sailboat.  I want something stable
and comfortable for the ocean, tall enough inside for a six-plus-
footer, and going (used, of course) for under 30k.  I have a pretty
good idea of what features and equipment I'm looking for, but
don't know much about the reputations of specific boats.  Any
suggestions?

Is there a practical limit to how big a boat a relatively
inexperienced single-hander should be fooling around with?

e-mail to kaygee@u.washington.edu
From: root@logiconultra.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 5 sailing questions
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:04:53 GMT
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems
Originator: root@stealth.logiconultra.com

This is a test...sorry
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mike.federchuk@rose.com (mike federchuk)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Pirates
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:24:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: rose.1992Oct15.152405.20658
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 10-15-92 11:14
walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson) writes:

W(|I have heard 10th hand that there are pirates active in
W(|the Carribean. Anybody on the net have any <10th hand
W(|encounters?

Does Jimmy Buffet count?

"..Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late!
   The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder...
   I'm an over 40 victim of fate..."  - A pirate looks at 40, J. Buffet

Regards,
Mike

Mike Federchuk              |
Burlington, Ontario, Canada |
Mike.Federchuk@rose.com     |
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From: krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:06:00 GMT

Over the weekend, I sailed a 31 ft. Hunter on Lake Michigan.  What I noticed
over two days of sailing is that the boat had better speed on close reaches
than on any other point of sail.  I know from windsurfing and basic sail
theory that beam or beam/broad reach should be the fastest point of sail.
So I am wondering if there are certain designs which warrant a better speed
when close reaching OR had we trimmed the sails incorrectly ?  Thanks for
any responses.

Kevin
krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com
From: cgr@otter.hpl.hp.com (Chris Romans)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:38:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Knots
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare) writes:

> PS I don't claim any originality over this one -I 'discovered it by accident
> one nigh and then (a couple of years later) stumbled across *two* descriptions
> of it in Ashley...

ASCII diagrams of knots are not only difficult to produce but difficult
to understand, in the meantime how about posting a reference to the
descriptions in Ashley.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Annual stepping -too much ??
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:21:08 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.131336.14968@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Here's another novice question from a new boat
>>owner.
>>
>>Is it bad to have a mast unstepped and stepped
>>every season??  i.e. Does it put to much wear
>>on the mast, deck,etc. to take a mast down at the 
>>end of every season and put it up again every spring?

>Leaving the mast *in* has its costs too---it's harder to get a good
>cover that admits no rain/snow, and the spreaders (if wood) are
>sitting up there in the elements, losing whatever brightwork you've
>done on them. Also, your rigging terminals are busy getting wet 
>during rain/snow, and then perhaps having water freeze within them,
>which has been known to weaken them. [Note, though, that lots of
>boats seem to survive this just fine, too]. Finally, you've got more
>windage trying to dump you off your cradle/poppet stands in 
>the event of a big windstorm. 

I consider the wear on terminals to be a big issue.  The problem, as I
see it, is that water wicks into the terminals and freezes, ever so slightly
expanding the terminal.  Over enuf cycles this can ruin the fitting.
My solution is to carefully dry out the terminal, using a blowtorch
ever so lightly.  When it's dry and still warm I hold wax to the wire,
which wicks the molten wax into the terminal.  I don't have enuf of
a track record with this to know how well it works but I learned to
do this from a surveyor.

The yard I store at charges extra for pulling the stick so in years past
I've been leaving it up.  I do get a little leakage around the mast but 
it's not too bad.  I go to the yard to check on the boat pretty often
and always after spring thaw.  Even with a good cover after a long winter
you can wind up with ice on the deck.  

This year I want to do some antenna work up there so I may have it pulled.
It will definitley make the spring rigging work a lot easier.

cheers,
gerard
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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: 5 sailing questions
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<BOWERS.92Oct14114008@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct15.171532.17391@netcom.com>
	<1992Oct15.214706.12481@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:44:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.214706.12481@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:

>In <1992Oct15.171532.17391@netcom.com> truher@netcom.com (Joel Burke Truher) writes:

>>In article <BOWERS.92Oct14114008@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:

>>>Yes, wings assist on every point of sail, except dead downwind.  The
>>>shape assists in the reduction of drag, and the shape also assists in
>>>getting the lead down lower (making the boat less tender).  

>>So is the wing just an endplate?  Does it produce any lift of its
>>own or does it just block the flow around the bottom of the keel?

>The general effect of the keel is that it is an edplate, it vreates more
>drag, but if you want to have a shallow draft boat with some reasonable
>weight down, you might get something out of the keel, but you are going
>to loose any beating batle to a sistership with a deep fin keel without
>any bogus. 

Please note that a correctly designed and constructed winged keel
_DOES_ improve performance by _REDUCING_ drag.  This is induced drag
and will show up as improved boatspeed and decreased leeway.
End plates do not reduce drag, and in fact increase drag.

>If we speak about the race between Conner and Bertrand, one should remember
>that the Conner did not loose the cup beacause of the superior boatspeed
>of the aussies on the wind, but to a tactical misjudgement on the run.
>And there did the winged keel have nothing to do.

You should further note that Conner was fighting a battle with a
slower boat.  If you read his comments and the tactical situation
reports of that series, it is _quite_ evident that the Aussies had a
superior boat (this was also true of the 1962 series in which Gretal
lost).

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: For My Brother
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hi,

I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
access.)

He loves fishing, boating, water, etc.  Thought I might post this
here.


He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  

He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.

If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
and give you his address.

Thanks.

Chris.  :)
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>In <9210071606.AA28435@ssd.comm.mot.com> krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger) w
>rites:
>
>My fastest log readings come on dead run, because I have been able
>to carry a once reefed main in 48 nots of wind, surfing for really
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>long periods more than 15 knots.  .....
>
>Hope you ger the general idea.
>
>- Lauri Tarkkonen

The idea I get is absolute terror!  I presume you only ventured your
#2, Lauri?

-- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Blabst from the Pabst...)
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.162121.29685@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes...
>It is pity that when the weather would carry you to new speed records, 
>you start to think how to reduce the sail and how to get into some 
>shelter. :-).

The speed record on stat is 14 kts set a few years ago in a Governors Cup
race. We had a .75 chute up (!) in 15-25 kts. apparent, a little outside
the range of the sail. Add our speed and the true wind was 25-35 or more.
It was fun, but yes, we had to get the sail down and put up the
1.5, oh well. The 3/4 may have been streched a little, but almost unnoticeably,
and this sail is still our racing 3/4 (yes our inventory is 'seasoned').

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
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