From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Who Gets Stomped (was WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.191557.474@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
} In article <1992Oct11.000827.22450@wam.umd.edu>
} lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
} One take on what you're saying here is that you are
} consciously or unconsciously manipulating white male liberal
} guilt, which in fact adds up to a racist double standard all
} too common in the white world, but which in this instance
} ensnares you too.

I have trouble believing that White Liberal Guilt exist en masse.  I think  
that's the key to the problem.

} That liberal guilt trip makes it hard, sometimes, for people
} to speak right up and call you out for saying or doing
} really dumb things.  If you take that calling-out to be
} "bitchy remarks" directed at you, I think you'll be making a
} big mistake, because if you expect to be listened to, you'd
} better be prepared to do some listening too.  And that
} doesn't mean all sweetness and warm fuzzies.  Later on you
} say you know the "let's all get along" plan is bullshit, yet
} your whole line here is "gimme." How do you square that?

Gimme what?  Tell me, Jess, what am I asking for?

} Out there in Oregon a few days ago, a white gay man and a
} black lesbian were murdered.  You latch onto the minor topic
} of icons or whatever as though that were the whole substance
} around here, as though people in Oregon and Colorado and by
} extension all of us weren't afraid for our very lives?

I didn't see anything regarding that here.  Two Gays killed by a Molotov  
cocktail.  The Black lesbian took care of the White Gay man, who was mentally  
disabled.  It was a very sad story.  And I did not get it from here ...

} The way it goes is the way it goes.  You want it to go
} differently, you do what anyone would have to do: steer it.
} There's more than enough evidence it's entirely steerable,
} so what's the beef?

Yeah, okay.

} Racism has not gone away in my entire lifetime.  As you are
} yet young, I wish I could think it possible for it to be
} gone in your lifetime.  As it is structural in virtually all
} societies on the planet, though clearly less so and more so
} elsewhere than in the United States, I don't think it will
} go away until centuries after you're dead.  Yet you are
} alive now.

Yes, I'm young and alive now.  Can't you see, that makes it even more  
depressing and more frustrating!  You know what I want?  I want to be treated  
equally in this country where I was born!  This country that MY ancestors were  
forced to build for nothing!  Knowing that I will never have that basic right  
infuriates me especially when I see White kids continue to dine off the fruits  
of that labor while not giving a flying fuck whose back was broken to provide  
that comfort.

} Get help.  Please get professional help.  Don't let
} it ruin you, as indeed ..

Why?  It seems that I was doomed to ruin before I was even born!

} >Last night, I beat up a white boy with a baseball bat
} >because he said to me, "Hey Black Boy, suck my dick!" I
} >swore to God, I was going to kill him, because I didn't let
} >the bat stop.  I keep swinging trying to swing it all the
} >way through him.
} 
} .... it very well could do.  I think most of us who've been
} called lezzies and faggots from passing cars and
} fraternity-house front porches in college towns, most of
} who've been spat upon or shoved at demos and marches, most
} of us who've walked to our parked cars in fear on the way
} out of bars at night in bad neighborhoods, most of us have a
} pretty good idea of the rage you feel.  But carrying out that
} violence in actual fact, that's just plain old ruination.
} My nephew is a fundamentalist Christian and a racist to boot,
} but if you or anyone else bashed him with a ballbat,
} *my own* safety requires me to want you locked up.

That depends on the situation.  What do you have to worry about if noone is  
bothering you?  I'm NOT going out and just bashing every White person over the  
head!  It seems to me that any Black who is NOT locked up is a threat to the  
Average White Man anyway.  To the Average White Man, just my presence is enough  
for him not to feel safe.  That's just one out of many reasons there are a  
disproportionate amount of Black men in jails now.  To help White men feel safe  
enough ...

} I repeat (Steve said it too): if you're really out of
} control, for chrissake get some help before it's too late.
} If you don't it's gonna be you gets stomped, and that is not
} a good thing.  Be mad as hell, if you want, but don't be a
} fool!

I have my back-ups.  I have not gone crazy.   I'm just tolerating less and less  
bullshit from people who don't give a shit anyway.  I've been bashed all my  
life.  Now, it's time for the payback ...

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African