From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: A question on this Armenia stuff...
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:09:17 GMT





<1992Aug14.144418.2831@menudo.uh.edu>
HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)

>> Don't take things that aren't yours.

>  I might say the same.  In fact I will: "Don't take things that aren't yours."

Can't you see a little difference in terms of culpability? The 
Turkish historic homelands, emptied of its native population
until today, remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenian Government.

>> Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated
>> adult terms and apply it to your life or your work or your government
>> or your world and it holds true and clear and firm.

>  Threats are usually illegal and immoral--a freely entered contract is not.
>No one has threatened to kill me for not working.  You logic is brittle and
>shivers aprt easily under pressure.

I am forced to disagree with you. Why? For nearly one thousand years, 
the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one 
hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The 
persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 
2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out 
of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands 
were empty of Turks and Kurds. 

And the Muslims who died in the Turkish Genocide did nothing.

>> I venture to guess that you take a nap every afternoon.

>  Yes, but don't tell my manager.  You have failed to answer the question.

Well, stability itself is nothing else than a mere sluggish motion.

>> Well, the examined life is no picnic.

>  You continue to dodge.  Who gets the land and the $$ reparations?  The 
>	victims are still dead.

The relatives of the victims.

>> Not at all. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the 
>> whole world - had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon 
>> and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Wake up and smell the 
>> Turkish coffee.

>  This so-called answer does not answer anything.  Cute rejoinders do not a 
>debate make.  Is not your desire impractical, and if not, how so?

See above.

>> Now think what a better world it would be if all governments had
>> as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them
>> and to clean up their own mess. And no crime should go unpunished.

>  If it was the same government that existed in 1919, perhaps.  If there were
>any left alive from that government, perhaps.  You've yet to explain how you
>intend to punish dead men.

X-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims 
by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.
Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine 
their own future as a nation in their own homeland.

Fair enough?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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