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From: jbouncer@warren.med.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN PAUL
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:46:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african
Organization: Harvard Medical School

Just a thought for you 'Africa lovers/haters'.

If gay is something good you'll be trying to prove that it's not African,
but because this stuff is morally flawed then it most exist in Africa.  For
those that think gay is part of an African culture, can you also tell me
(us) something really positive in the West and also part of an African
culture?

Let me read how objective some of you are.

Maybe the motto in this forum should be 'For all negative things you write
about Africa, they should also be atleast twice that positive things'.

Sorry, I know most of you will either not write here agian or put me in the
'kill' file.

******* God Dey! *************
From: bk577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane Bires Jiumaleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Iman speaks for SOmalia
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:49:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Iman, Somali-born model, wife of rock star David Bowie and
now Somalia relief activist, is planning several media appearances
in the next few weeks.  Tune in and see whether the internet
community can do something to support her efforts to help the
starving.  (Angie Hougas is trying to get her to join us online
in soc.culture.africa.)
 
       Oprah Winfrey Show, taping Dec. 8 for broadcast the
       following week
 
       Arsenio Hall SHow, Dec. 10
 
       Our Voices (African-American oriented cable show), week of
       Nov. 29-Dec. 5
 
       a PBS Sunday morning talk show (not sure which, 1 on 1?), Nov. 29
 
Her publicist says Iman met with Clinton, Ron Brown and others
this week to talk about Somalia.
 
Sure hope her fame can help her people.  She is the only Somali
celebrity I can think of.
 
Jane Jiumaleh
BIRES@wisplan.uwex.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Star Editorial (long - was Re: Scandal alert: more to follow)
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:13:57 GMT

High! hello!! is anybody there... Gavan ... Mr Tredoux... remember your
fierce attacks against the ANC claiming they were just paranoid when they
reported the existence of operation springbok and ...
Now that this is from the commission what do you say sir? any comments?
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN PAUL
Date: 15 Nov 1992 01:24:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1992Nov14.114126.1873@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>Dear Paul,
>
>Seven people sounds like a good sample size
>to me, why don't you write a scientific paper?
>What makes it even more scientific is the fact
>that those seven are straight!!   Good work.

What is this? Are you out of ideas to start picking on the number of people
Makala talked to? In my book, the number seven is quite irrelevant. The point 
thought he was making was that he talked to people whom he was sure would
know if the activities claimed to take place in Zaire could be confirmed,
and he got hold of people he thought would know since they come from there...

Or was this a stats test?

As someone wrote a while back - last year, I think - this is sca and NOT
the Journal of * (replace * with your favorite scientific journal, eg Stats,
if some such exists)...

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Testing 123 Makala
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:22:26 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.125117.29142@eng.cam.ac.uk> afv@uk.ac.cam.eng writes:
>>Net om te sien of ek by Makala se terrein kan uitkom voordat ek met hom
>>begin kuier.
>
>I wish I could get this translated but the last call to South Africa cost me
>$23.00 

You could always try e-mail.

Roughly, "Just to see if I can reach Makala's territory before I start 
visiting him."  Although I think "kuier" has connotations of a friendly
chat.

-- 
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Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: South African Contacts
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:51:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov18.075128.2463
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

nrswart@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Nicholas R. Swart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.154459.203284@uctvax.uct.ac.za> hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>>Paul McIntosh aka Paul M Mweene writes:
>>
>>You know Paul, a funny thing happened yesterday. I received e-mail from
>>somebody I know at Pittsburgh (correspondence about academic work). Anyway, as
>>an after-thought (since you are never foremost in my mind) I enquired about
>>you. Now, this fellow doesn't ever read s.c.a., and so he had understandably
>>never heard of you. However, he did consent to undertake a little P.I. work
>>for me. The amazing result of this was that your e-mail number isn't that of a
>>black person, but of a WHITE undergraduate student by the name of Paul
>>McIntosh!!!
>>
>Great stuff Hardy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Caught him with his
>pants down. Three cheers for ya mate!

It's a longstanding South African tradition to believe everything one
reads in print, but it really oughtn't to be extended to Usenet.  
Perhaps a health warning should be attached to all postings from 
certain users?
     "The Attorney General has determined that reading Hardy Hulley 
      postings can be injurious to your hold on reality."

-- 
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Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Yep, it is there!  re: Homo-sexuality in Africa
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:03:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov19.164529.18320@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael Mukasa) writes:
>In <Bxtz7r.Ht9@acsu.buffalo.edu> osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele) writes:
>>The point here really is if homosexuality is there, give us the
>>evidence of its' existence, not making unwieldly statement like you did
>>Itiakorit

Actually homosexuality does exist in Africa, even in the remotest rural
areas. And it has been there atleast one  hundred years
.
k>You have hit the nail on the head.  I have come to believe that these
>people cannot believe that because a disgusting and 'sick' vice is
>prevelant and growing in their society, it also has to be prevelant in
>ours. They cannot for an instant stomach the possibility that there can be

They have a valid point. There is homosexuality in Africa.
Just like here, men hammer other men. And they do all the other things 
which are expected and required too.  

>bodies, like Geffry Domler (Sp?) are also prevelant in our society.  What
>Kiggundu.

Nope, not like Mr Dahmer. All I can say is that they are not Africns.
Africans attend their church sermons though.

makala
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: spongpan@nyx.cs.du.edu (SAHAWAT PONGPANICH)
Subject: Sawatdee krub
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:36:56 GMT


Sawatdee Krub
   I am a newbie in this newgroup, just post to say hello.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: munlin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M Munlin)
Subject: Re: chula network
Originator: munlin@csgi60
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:00:47 GMT
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In article <Ef2WMqy00Vp4AWaERB@andrew.cmu.edu>, Tanit Wangthumboon <tw1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Hi
|> I have successfully established connection with chula network. However,
|> every hour or so, there was a problem of the server being down and when
|> I finger, it said the connection timed out. Does anyone know what the
|> problem is.  Any suggestion of solving this problem would be appreciated.
|> thanks
|> Buoy

How did you connect to chula network ?
If you connect to chula via internet network, it should be no 
problem. Infact, I can talk to myfriend in Chula anytime(using
"talk" command).
Be sure you are on internet.

Armeen
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:35:03 -0500 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fully-Equiped Thai-French Innovation Center Opened


    Computer simulation in the fields of energy, electronics and
aeronautics will be one of the three main areas that the Thai-French
Innovation Centre will focus on.

    The US$ miilion 5.6 centre was opened in June in a ceremony presided
over by Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn.  It is
located at the King Mingkut's Institute of Technology, North
Bangkok(KMITNB).

    Financed by the French Government, the Federation of Mechanical
Industries, France Didac and L'Air Liqide Group, it will provide
training in two other field apart from computer vision-Welding and
Production automation.

    Training will be for students and technicians from both public and
private sectors with equipment and scholarship being provided by France.

    In all, 68 schoalrships-six for master's degree in Aeronautical
Engineering, 50 for short-term training course in Automated Mechanics,
Electrical, Electronics, and mechanical Engineering with 12 others for
visiting scholars-will be granted over a three year period.

    The centre includes a newly-built eight-story building to be used
for workshop, classroms, with a conference room and library.

    (Excerpted from Bangkok Post, June 10, 1992)

Posted and circulated by

Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana
Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO), Thailand
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: orapin@kenning.engin.umich.edu (Orapin  chuanromanee)
Subject: Re: Law
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:43:12 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: properties' law
Originator: orapin@kenning.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov14.172356.14235@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.011137.6406@cs.uow.edu.au> 
> pat@cs.uow.edu.au (Pattarasinee Bhattarakosol) writes:
> >....................
> >Their husbands cannot apply to be Thai citizen, even they want to, 
> >such a pitty. 
> 
> I'm not sure but I feel that this is not true. Even a foreign guy who
> marries a foreign gal (ie, both foreigners) can apply to be a Thai
> citizen after a certain period of residency. I see no reason whya guy
> who marries a Thai lady can't do the same.
> 

  I think that the chance of the "properties law" and the "citizen law" 
  concerning marriage women and their
  family (spouse and children) is still enforced is very high. Here
  is another example...


  Last week, I came across an article in "Siam-Rad Weekly" 
  and do you know that in Thailand  
  it is a law that a woman once marriage HAS TO use her husband last
  name. Yes, it is not an option, it is a must!
     

  As the writer pointed out, this law is making a lot of problem
  in Thailand. The writer gave an example of her friend who is
  a very famous business women. After marriage, she has been
  forced by law to change her last name. However, her first name
  happens to be the same as her sister-in-law's. Thus, created a
  lot of legal and social confusion and the only way she can use her
  own last name is to divorce her husband. Although both of them
  do not mine to do so, their parents wouldn't accept the idea.
  Finally, they came up with a compromise solution.
  First, she will divorce her husband, then, change
  her fist name by addition her last name in parenthesis and re-marriage
  her husband!


  So you see, no matter how ridiculous and backward the law might be,
  the possibility of its unchange is undismissible!
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 19: Stock manipulator facing arrest
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:27:30 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


THE Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) yesterday filed criminal 
charges with the police accusing big-time stock trader SKkIxWacharasriroj and ten of his business partners of share price 
manipulations.
 
The move against the businessman, commonly known as Sia Song 
(meaning Young Tycoon Song), se7:.-kkkYMQ!I=U!Q!MQ=-)Exchange of Thailand as panic-stricken investors rus4YYH]	+5A)their holdings.
 
The SET index at one stage plunged more than 50 point.$-	!)afternoon round of trading before it rebounded and closed at 23.45 
points less than the prevZ+Me9) 
Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai urged investors yesterday not to 
panic, saying the officiX[HX,WkK	-9eMQIe]MAIQ=Q!)Government's effort to raise the SET to inter7X]ZK+iQ9IM)for the sake of public's future interest.
 
"This will enhance investors' confidence (in t4YHUZXZH.WkkIxmarket) so that they will not again be led into unlawful 

M)action.
 
Sia Song showed up at the Central Investigation Bureau yesterday 
evening to hear the chargY.$,VVKkQ!%59) 
The young businessman, accompanied by a lawyer, brought with him 
10 million baht in +k	+	+IA=MQ]%Q!Q!)investigators to bail himself out.
 
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thai-Thai'Thai"Thai^Thai+
Keywords: Thai, joke
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxs94y.3tF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

fstawit@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:

>......... stuffs deleted


>Thai", n:     A bag in which Thai officials keep their ransom money.

I was trying to convert this transliteration into an audio form but 
I still could not figure out what it is. Would Khunt Tawit kindly elaborate
a bit what it is like? 
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:17:10 -0500 
From: Tanit Wangthumboon <tw1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: chula network

Hi
I have successfully established connection with chula network. However,
every hour or so, there was a problem of the server being down and when
I finger, it said the connection timed out. Does anyone know what the
problem is.  Any suggestion of solving this problem would be appreciated.
thanks
Buoy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: shm@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Shailendra Majmundar)
Subject: Wanted: Tips on touring Thailand
Reply-To: shm@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:24:02 GMT

Hi!

I am planning to tour Thailand for 10 days on my visit to India. I will 
greatly appreciate any tips on 

* The places for sight seeing, staying and entertaining
* Places to stay away from
* Local transportation
* Good tour book and Youth Hostels' locations etc.
* Contact info for the embassy in NYC

Many thanks in advance!
Sam (shm@syl.nj.nec.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mohan@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Mohan Moorti Pant )
Subject: Test
Organization: Design Computing Unit, The University of Sydney
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:19:10 GMT

Just testing.
From: tai@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai,
Subject: Re: International Sex Tourism
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:37:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: buckaroo.wpi.edu

In article <BxsEB3.5z2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>
>>Currently I am working on a project in my Women's Study class about
>>international sex tourism.  I have a copy of a brochure advertising
>>sexual holiday packages in Thailand, but I would like to gather more
>>evidence to its exsitence.
>
>>If anyone has any stories, or knows of any books/pamphlets etc. on
>>or about the subject  I am most insterested in hearing from you.
>
>>Please reply though e-mail
>
>>Thank you
>
>>Cynthia Sulaiman
>
>In case Khun Cynthia does not have them in her bibliography, I'd like to
>add some references on this. 
>

  [bibliographical references deleted]

>
>And....(I promise this is the last one!)..the issue of November 28th, 1991,
>of Rolling Stones published a chapter with well illustrated pictures on
>Thai prostitution. The article entitles "Death in the Candy Store," by
>Richard Rhodes as writer, and Patrick Zachmann, as photographer. The subtitle
>of the article says "..Thailand has become the prostitution capital of
>the world. And ther price of this prosperity? National suicide by HIV 
>infection.
>
>Samart Srijumnong
>Champaign, Illinois 
>November 15, 1992


	To add my $0.02 worth...there was also an article in Newsweek in one 
of their July issues that covered prostitution and child prostituion in 
particular.  It was probably the one for the week of July 18th or something.
I remember only that date because I bought it to read on the plane on the
way back to Bangkok.

Lisa Taikitsadaporn



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From: aditya@iedv7.acd.com ( Aditya Khatuka (ICTT) )
Subject: Stopover in Bangkok - What to do/visit ?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:22:05 GMT

Hello,

     On my way to India by Thai airways, there is a stopover for about 17 hours
(5PM - 11 AM) in Bangkok. I would appreciate your recommendations as what are
 good places to visit while I am there. 

thanks

Aditya

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From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re:Tai
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:39:19 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

People of different groups like to look down on each other. It gives their
own group a sense of unity. If they have something to unite AGAINST, they
are more united than by any other way (to experience this, just go to a 
football game or any other sports event). Specificly, central Thais are
mostly wealthier than country folks, more educated, and are much more fit to 
struggle through the rapidly changing socio-economic conditions. It is thus
easy for them to see themselves on a higher level than Ban^-Nawk^ people.
Also, they are closer to the style of life that has been made "in" lately,
namely the city life style, and looking down on people who live differently
(more like the older generations used to live, and unlike the life style they 
see in foreign movies and try to immitate) is a way to secure the status of 
their life style as the most desirable, thus making them the people who live
"like everybody should like to live".
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: linguistic root of "thai"
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:59:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxwDyn.KzF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri) writes:

>.......... stuffs deleted

>I'm not sure about both of these theories.  Can someone in Thailand look up
>from Thai dictionary please.  Though I'm not sure whether we can get the
>meaning that is accepted by those who studies Thai history.

I happen to have two dictionaries with me, POd"Ja'Naa-Nu"KOm-Cha'Bab'Nak"
Rien-(B.E. 2531, Kurusapa Press), and, POd"Ja'Na"Saa+Raa-Nu"KOm (By Plueng
Na Nakorn, Thaiwattanapanich Press, B.E. 2516).

On page 204 of the first one, the term THAI is defined as...

	"Thai (1) n. Chaaw-Thai; Kwam-Pen-Is'Sa'Ra'Nai-Tua, Kwam-Mai"Pen-Thaad";
	 Chaaw, KhOn e.g. Thai-Baan"Nok" or Khon-Baan"Nok"
	 Thai-Noy" n. ChOn-Thai-Saa+Khaa+Nueng'Sueng"Maa-Pen-Thai-Haeng'Pra'
	 Thed"Thai......(irrelevant definitions).....
	 Thai-Yai' n. Thai-Kaw'Yuu'Thaang-Nue+Lae"Tha'Wan-TOk'Chiang+Nue+Khong+
	 Pra'Thed"Thai Kue Nguew^ the English call Shaan, Thai-Luang+Ko"
	 Riak"

	"Thai (2) (Pali The-Ya"; Sanskrit Thuey) adj. Kuan-Hai", Mak"Chai^Pra'
	 Kob'Naa"Sap' (e.g.) Thai-Yaa-Thaan..Khong+Sam+Rab'Tham-Thaan-
	 ......

In the second one, on page 212, the term Thai is defined as:

	"Thai n. Riak"Chaaw-Thai-Duem-Waa"Sa'Yaam+, Kwam-Pen-Is'Sa'Ra'Nai-Tua,
	 Kwam-Mai"Pen-Thaad", Chaaw, e.g. Chaaw-Thai-Baan"Nok", Khon-Chaaw-
	 Baan"Nok"........ (irrelevant definitions).....
	 Thai-Noy" n. ChOn-Chaad"Thai-Saa+Khaa+Nueng'Sueng"Sueb'Maa-Pen-KhOn-
	 Thai-Thii"Yuu'Nai-Pra'Thed"Thai-Bad'Nii^....
	 Thai-Yai' n. Thai-Kaw'Yuu'Thaang-Nue+Lae"Tha'Wan-TOk'Chiang+Nue+
	 Khong+Pra'Thed"Sa'Yaam+ Kue Ngue^ the English call Shaan

        "Thai-Ya" (Ma"KOd" The-Ya") v. Kuan-Hai", Mak"Chai^Pra'Kob'Naa"Sap'
	 Thai-Yaa-Thaan n. Khong+Kuan-Hai", Khong+Sam+Rab'Tham-Thaan-

	 ......

Isn't it remarkable that these two dictionaries are extremely similar? I should
have taken only one of them. My point here is that these definitions have been
REPRODUCED. When thousands of dictionaries say the same thing about a thing,
it seems like such knowledge is quite ESTABLISHED. One thing one should do
is to trace back to see WHO first used the definition(s) and follow along 
who else REPRODUCED it. 

The POd"Ja'Naa-Nu"KOm-Nak"Rien- is approved by KOm-Wi"Chaa-Kaan-, Kra'Suang-
Suek'Saa+Thi"Kaan, and its compiler(s) is (are) not mentioned. 

Samart Srijumnong
Champaign, Illinois
November 17, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: atg9514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Adisa Teo )
Subject: Re: linguistic root of "thai"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:32:18 GMT

mtdg9811@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael T. Dunphy) writes:
The "thai" in Thailand means "independent".  So, you are partly right since
being "free", I think, is part of being "independent".
Hope my answer helps.
Adisa

>Could anyone tell me what the "thai" in Thailand means?
>I thought it translated to "free", but a poster to alt.usage.english
>said it means "grand".

>Thank you.
>-- 
>Michael Dunphy		dunphy@cs.uiuc.edu
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