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From: saavik@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (PMH)
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:08:24 GMT
Keywords: gate

In article <menon.702761942@beagle>, menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon) writes:
> saavik@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (PMH) writes:
> 
> >It's a white gate with plastic cris-cross mesh with openings about 
> 
> we also have one of these for the dogs.  it works well for its barrier
> purposes, but it leaves marks on the walls that require paint jobs
> to repair.  so unless you don't mind marred walls.....



I don't remember ours leaving marks...

Pat
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From: Sandra_Petit@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Sandra Petit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Unicorn song
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:14:36 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Mon 13 Apr 92 21:30, Cme@druco.att.com (ertzcmk) wrote:


 C> Here's another request:  Does anyone know the words for 
 C> "The Unicorn Song"?  My daughter's preschool teacher would
 C> like them because several of the kids are interested in 
 C> unicorns.  He already has the chorus, but doesn't know
 C> the words to the verses.  

 C> Katie Ertz

I AM that old too!  I also still have this record and play it often
for my own kids.  Here are the words as I can understand them from
the record:

A long time ago when the earth was green
There was more kinds of animals than you'd ever seen
They'd run around free while the earth was being born
But the loveliest of them all was the unicorn

There was green alligators
And long necked geese
Some humpy back camels
And some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants
but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the unicorn

Now God seen some sinnin'
And it gave Him a pain
And He says, "Stand back!
I'm gone to make it rain."
He says, "Hey, Brother Noah,
I'll tell you what to do,
Build me a floating zoo.

And take some of them
Green alligators and long necked geese
Some humpy back camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants
But sure as you're born
Don't you forget my unicorns."

Old Noah was there to answer the call
He finished up making the ark
Just as the rain started falling
He marched in the animals two by two
And he called out as they went through,
"Hey, Lord, I've got your green alligators,
And long necked geese
Some humpy back camels and some chimpanzees
Some Cats and rats and elephants
But, Lord, so forlorn,
I just can't see no unicorns."

Then Noah looked out through the driving rain
Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games
Kicking and splashing while the rain was pouring
Oh them silly unicorns

There was green alligators and long necked geese
Some humpy back camels and some chimpanzees
And Noah cried, "Close the door cause the rain is pouring
And we just can't wait for them old unicorns."

The ark started moving, adrifting with the tides
Them unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried
And the waters came down and sort of floated them away
And that's why you'll never see a unicorn to this very day

You'll see green alligators and long necked geese
Some humpy back camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants
But sure as you're born
You're never gonna see no unicorns.

Enjoy!  (apologies for any typos)

    Sandie Petit

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From: dchan@Ingres.COM (Doug Chan x2686)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tumbling 23 mo old??
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:58:29 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

Greetings,

Our 23 month old seemed to have discovered tumbling.  She bends over
from the waist, puts her head on the floor, and pushes off with her
legs...  It seemed harmless enough and I thought that it was kinda
cute ( yeah, I know, I think everything Sarah does is cute!! ).  

Anyways, my wife is a bit concerned about the relative safety of 
tumbling.  Are we being over-protective, or is this something
we should discourage??  So far, I have been holding her legs as
Sarah tries to "flip" over and that makes my wife and I feel a bit easier;
but the more we talk about this, the less sure we are of the safety
of tumbling ( at least to 2 year olds ).  

I thought about those toddler gym classes, but haven't done much homework
yet on those and Sarah is happily tumbling across the family room in
the meantime.  Is a toddler gym class the answer, hopefully teaching
both the child and parent about "safe" tumbling techniques??  
Heck, would those gym classes even have tumbling??  I also recall
seeing some book about physical fitness stuff and the little ones, but I can't
seem to find it anymore.   

thanks,
doug
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to Break a Shrieking Habit?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:36:52 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <9430201@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski) writes:
>My three year old son has a really annoying habit that we would
>like to break:  he shrieks.  This really high-pitched, hurt the ears,
>headache causing pierce.  He does it when he is happy; he does it when
>he plays chasing games; and he does it when he is angry.  It has caused
>innocent bystanders in the mall (with 30 foot ceilings) to plug their
>ears.
>
>We want it to stop.  

I have friends who have had some success with telling kids that
they must scream words; ie say "SCREAM", SHRIEK", "YELL".  My
kids sometimes get sent outside to use their "outside voices"
(weather permitting, which it hasn't much, lately).  With my  
very determined 5yo, I often tell him that he can scream as 
much as he wants in his room--not as a threat of punishment,
just that it bothers me if he screams in the same room.

Good luck; if you wait long enough, he'll probably outgrow it :)

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Organization: Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:08:37 GMT

The discussion on day care vs. stay-at-home parents is interesting to 
me in the light of my own upbringing and my current pregnancy. My mom 
was a stay-at-home mom for five years of my life. For her this was no
picnic; she was a fairly unhappy person for this time partly because 
of the noise/hubbub and partly because I was strong willed and very 
jealous of the cute, easy-going, chubby little boy who was born 18 
months after me.

She felt a lot of guilt for disliking it and for not being able to 
have the perfect house and household my dad's mother was telling her 
she should have. Then she experienced a lot of guilt and fear when 
she returned to the workforce, and later even went out of town two 
or three days a week (without coming home at night; she had an 
apartment) to graduate school. It never has seemed to end; she is 
sure that these decisions and more make her a bad mother. Yet she 
was so unhappy that she had to do what for her was the lesser of 
two self-evils. Some might call this selfish; but if you hate being
on earth seems to me you need to do something to make it better.

Anyway, I'm pregnant and I'm going to continue working, even though
we could manage (although barely) if I didn't. I feel a tiny bit 
guilty; however, I am also a bit worried that I will WANT to stay 
home. But then I feel gypped (sp?) that it's me that looks at these
issues and not my hubby. He's taking a parental leave for six weeks
after I have mine, and he's completely willing to take on 50%
and more of the nighttime and daytime work (except for breastfeeding). 
This "why mostly women?" question is really bugging me. I find it 
hard to believe that it's purely economic based on the relative 
salaries of men and women. My husband says, and I believe him, that 
he couldn't give up his work life and does not want me to, either. 
We (especially I) think that women suffer in the workplace because 
of the stigma that they always leave when their "biological time clocks" 
go off. I have experienced a little of this and think it is probably 
worse once you get up the ladder a bit. I *know* that work isn't 
more important than family in the long run, but I would like to be 
able to be like many men and not feel pressured to conduct my life 
as a stay-at-home parent.

I hope this doesn't sound as if I'm putting anyone down. I am very 
excited about staying home for six weeks and I am VERY interested 
in producing well-adjusted and intelligent children. I am planning
to give my all when I'm with them, but I feel I have to recognize
my limits. I really think I'd be unhappy.

Any men stay-at-homes out there who want to share their experiences?
(I'm a little behind reading so maybe you already have; if so, thanks.)

--Ashley Burns, ashley@osc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: HELP - 3rd GRADER HATES MATH
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:23:52 GMT


My 3rd grader just got an 'N' (needs improvement) on her report card.  She 
gets E's (excellent) in Reading, Spelling, Language, and a S+ in Social 
Studies.  Her teacher says she knows how to do math, but refuses to do work 
in school (stares at her belly button).  Now she is falling behind the rest 
of the kids.  I try using flash cards with her and giving her other problems 
at home (which she continuously complains and whines about doing).  She 
eventually does them.  Half the time they are wrong.  She remembers 
borrowing in subtraction one day and can do all problems right, and the next 
day they are all wrong.  Seems to have a mental block with math.  I've 
explained all the reasons math is important in the world, and how each year 
it gets harder if you don't learn the basics.  Any ideas on getting her to 
like (or at least tolerate) math.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.225800.13257@morrow.stanford.edu> caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert) writes:
>
>younger. The parents of this boy say they want him in the Young
>Fives program because he is socially immature. Is that what they
>are going to tell him? If not, what? Personally I don't think he
>is immature; he's just not as mature as the parents perceive a 4
>year old should be. It also implies to me that they think social
>skills are more important than education; I suppose this is a matter

You know what amazes me about some of these examples we are seeing on the
net? 

These are decisions that are being made now! School doesnt start for six
months, and people are deciding that their kids are not 'mature' enough
at this moment. It sounds more then plausible that these kids may not be
ready now, but who cares. They dont need to be ready for 6 months, and that
is a lot of time for a 4 year old to 'grow up'.

I know someone who told me to be sure and keep my child back for a year 
because it really seems to help them later. I was about 2 months pregnant
at the time!!! The person added "especially if you have a boy". Sheesh!
Actually, I was glad Jeffrey was a march baby, since I thought it would be
out of the question for him to be kept back, but after reading this thread,
I suppose I will have to prepare myself for well meaning people who will
suggest it.

Laura Floom
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Gymboree clothes
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:03:41 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>My son got a few outfits from Gymboree as baby presents.  We like the style
>and color of them, but I haven't seen them locally and they must be one of
>the few mail order catalogs that haven't found my name yet.  Does anyone
>know if they can be bought through the mail and how I can get a catalog?
>Also, does anyone have any experience with these clothes?  How do they
>compare to others?  My guess (given who they came from) is that they are
>fairly expensive, but well-made.

Your guess that they are expensive is correct.  There is a store relatively
near me (Fair Oaks Mall in Fairfax, Va. for the locals).  My sister-in-law
shops there for her kids occasionally, and my son gets the hand-me-downs.
She only buys end-of-season stuff when it is really marked down.  The
hand-me-downs we have are holding up great!  They have been through
at least two very rough and tumble boys, and still look great.  I currently
have a store credit there (she got an outfit for my son for Christmas
that was too small, and I couldn't find anything at the time to replace
it).  End of season prices were about $17 for an overalls and shirt
outfit.

I don't know whether they have mail order or not.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 20.5 months, and ???, -7 weeks
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny thing said by 30-something on delivery table
Keywords: A true story
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:27:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: crd.1992Apr14.212741.10932
Reply-To: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

A friend had an emergency C-section for her second child.  Since her first
child had been born vaginally, she hadn't paid attention during the C-section
portions of her birthing refresher course.  So as the anesthesiologist was
putting the gas mask on her, my friend was still asking questions.

The next thing she knew, she woke up in a room full of people who were
laughing at a question she had asked as she was regaining consciousness:


"When can I fuck?"


Apparently that's not a question usually asked by a woman on a delivery
table...



(She was wondering if you don't use the vagina during birth, if things
 heal faster.  She normally doesn't use that word...)


Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sleep Problem FAQ File
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:38:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah

I really, really did try to e-mail this to Jeannie Dopson
(dopson@ssd.dl.nec.com - is this still correct Jeannie) but it
bounced.  Maybe someone out there in net land has some good advice to
send too.

   ---------------------original article----------------------

  My 10 month old has decided that he only needs 2 - 3 hours of sleep
per night (aaaaaagggggggghhhhhhhh!)  Please, please, please send me
the FAQ file you have on sleep problems before he either:  A) drives
me nuts, B) causes a divorce, C) is put up for adoption, or D) all of
the above.  (A few more nights like last night and it might just be
option D!)    :-)  (sort of)

  I took him to the doctor again (yesterday) and he is physically fine
- he just has this strange vampire attitude.

  help (whimper, whimper)


 _//  Lynette Atwood _/_ _/_      latwood@oodis01.af.mil
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From: saavik@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (PMH)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:39:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <29826@fibercom.COM>, rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
> 
> Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
> your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift 
> anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may 
> hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I 
> shouldn't bowl since I may get hurt swinging the ball.  I'm obviously 
> going to ask my OB about it but wanted to hear from the netters also.

Ahh!  A subject I can really sink my teeth into!! :-)

I'm an avid, mediocre bowler.  My teamates tease me about how
much better I bowl when I'm pregnant.  I actually do bowl better!
My ball is about 10 lbs.  I find that I slow down a little.

My OB advocates moderation in everything.  His opinion of bowling (or any
exercise for that matter) was that I could continue as long as I
felt up to it.  If it was something I was already doing, then I could
continue.  He wanted me to call him if I wanted to try skydiving :-).

With #2, I bowled up to about 6 weeks before I delivered.  I would
have bowled longer except that Christmas & New Year's fell on my
bowling night.  With #3 right now, I'm about 6 months along and the
winter league will be over in a couple of weeks.  I usually bowl
in the summer but will pass this year.  :-(  My due date is 7/12,
smack in the middle of the summer league.  Doesn't make much sense
to sign up for 13 weeks when I'd probably miss 6 weeks.

I don't have a strenuous approach to begin with so there isn't
a lot of strain involved.  I do get a little tired and sometimes
my left thigh muscle is slightly sore but that's all.

If it bothers you or it hurts, by all means stop.  Frankly, it's
about the only exercise I get :-).  I find climbing stairs to be
much more rigorous!

Pat
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From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:49:51 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

whos@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Ben Feen) writes:

> In article <1992Apr15.023051.28468@ddsw1.MCS.COM> zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer 
> >
> >	I was planning on asking people about this...
> >	My high school I am *sure* will NEVER give out condoms.  Thus, I
> >thought, maybe *I* should start such a program...  I would take donations,
> >buy condoms, and make them available for people to use.. I will also mention
> >failure rates and related stuff...  (And of course, safer forms of sex which
> >do not involve coitus.)
> 
> Say it... Blow jobs!  :-)
> 
> >	What does everyone think of the idea?  (Don't worry about the
> >administration yelling at me-- I can handle them--what about other factors,
> >such as whether people will be willing to donate money, whether it will be
> >abused, etc...)
> 
> I'd say outright SALES would be a better bet.  Donations are a shaky area wit
> kids.
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        I am thinking that outright sales would be outright illegal.  I 
would have to get approval from the adminstration to do that.  (I guess I 
should just say it... :-)  (I think I'd have to get administration 
approval--I am unsure though.. Damn I wish I had that ACLU book.)

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From: peterson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Peterson x2495)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Extraction of baby teeth
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:18:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corp.

In article <1992Apr7.150816.54276@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund) writes:
>In article <43098@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>> 
>> [abscess threatening 5.5YO boy's permanent front teeth]
>> 
>> My question is about anaesthetics.  The dentist scheduled Jeff for a
>> local. There are two reasons for why I'd want to consider something
>> a little stronger.  The first is obvious: I want to cause Jeff as
>> little anxiety and pain as possible.  This is his first major
>> experience with the dentist and I'd like him to remember it without
>> pain and fear.  The second reason is that I think that it would be
>> nearly impossible to keep Jeff still throughout the procedure. . . .
>> 
>> Anyway, I don't know the technical term for the alternative, but we
>> always called it "laughing gas.". . .
>> 
>> If you have any experience with such procedures personally or with
>> your own children, PLEASE pass them along.

The only advice I have is for you not to show your anxiety about this 
procedure in front of your son.  I have know several children who have had
dental work at a young age including my own daughter.  She had to have baby
teeth pulled in order to make room for her permanent teeth to come in.  Her
mouth is to small for all of her teeth and eventually she will have to have
a set of permanent molars pulled and then get braces to straighten out the
rest.  When she first had this done we talked about it a lot.  I didn't lie
to her, but told her the dentist would give her medicine to numb her mouth. I myself hate getting Novocaine, I think it hurts a lot, my daughter however states
that it didn't hurt her a bit to get the shot.  Kendra is nine now and has had
7 teeth pulled.  

The other thing that I recommend is that you do not go into the dentist's work
area with your child.  I have found that children who's parents are standing
next to them for support tend to over react.  When they are alone with the 
dentist they tend to be braver (for lack of a better word).  My sister's
2 year old son had bottle mouth.  He refused to open his mouth for his mother
when she wanted to look at his teeth, but never even cried when he went to the
dentist.  He likes the dentists chair.  He has had two teeth capped and the
dentist states he gives him no medication.  I don't know maybe he hypnotizes
them.

My two cents worth


Patricia


>> 

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From: Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: testing
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:47:16 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

just testing . . . 


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From: jwhite@oasys.dt.navy.mil (White)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training Book Request
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:08:18 GMT
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC Code 2723 
	      (formerly David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis MD)

In article <1992Apr16.162131.1592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:

>too explicit, but I like to use proper names for things".  I was
>surprised and amused to discover that this book used explicit 
>words like "pee-pee" and "wee-wee" and "poo-poo" (can't even
>remember which was the excrement and which was the body part).

I know this isn't about any particular book, but the above reminded
me of a kid my wife used to teach in daycare.  This kid was between
2 and 3, and had a voice that, unless you were his parents, was a little
hard to understand.  Anyway, he used to come up to my wife, and instead
of telling her he had to use the bathroom, he would say either; "I have
to defecate" or "I have to urinate"

Talk about being explicit and using proper terms!

Joe White
Father of: Joshua Douglas (3 years, 11+ months, born 4/25/88) and
	   Hillary Shannon (13 days, born 4/3/92, was due 3/17/92)
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