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From: nkramesh%harpo.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nanda Ramesh)
Subject: Re: Deterioration of Kannada movies, songs ...etc
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:07:35 MDT
Organization: CSS Research Group
Distribution: alt.culture.karnataka

In article <BuMto4.4D2@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bharathi@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chandra Shekara Bharathi) writes:

|> enu heLodu?  I feel it is just a reflection of the soceity in 
|> general.  no such masala/cheap dialogues/equally cheap dance 
|> sequences ( the leave nothing to the imagination .. do they? ) etc.
|> in a movie is a sure way to ensure that the movie
|> bombs in the theatres.   

you are right here. An example is a movie about I guess 5 yrs old..
I forget the film name( I am sure most of the netter's will remember
this though). It was acted by anil kapoor, a very pretty new actress,
lakshmi and a young kid ( I think sreenath's son ). It was a 
great movie but did not do well as it should have for exactly the
reasons pointed out..

|> Parhaps there really isn't anyone to direct movies of the ilk of
|> naagara haavu, upasane, edakallu guddaDa mele etc... 

No, the sad truth maybe is we don't encourage them or we
just chase them to other languages. I cannot give any examples
of directors but actors who didn't do well in kannada but did
very well later in other languages are rajanikanth, kamalahasan,
anand babu(?), anil kapoor..etc. 

nanda

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From: ved@cis.ksu.edu (V-Cube!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: ** SEARCHING FOR YADAVA KUMAR AT NEW MEXICO **
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:02:15 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept of Computing & Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: procyon.cis.ksu.edu
Originator: ved@cis.ksu.edu



	Hi Somebody over there?

		I am searching for Mr. YADAVA KUMAR at one of New Mexico's
	Universities doing his MS in Comp Sc.  He is from Kollegal, near Mysore.

	Please report about him to ved@cis.ksu.edu

	Thanks.


		*************************************
From: sndron01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: searching for K.V. ravindra, bellary
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:47:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


this is sundeep dronawat of U of louisville searching for Mr. K.V. Ravindra of
Bellary, Karnataka, India at U of Alabama, Tuscaloosa. If anybody knows him
please send his address to me, 215, west lee st. louisvill, ky - 40208
	ThanQ
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: rao@acs.ucalgary.ca (Harish Rao)
Subject: Deterioration of Kannada movies, songs ...etc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:19:47 GMT
Distribution: alt.culture.karnataka
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Deterioration of Kannada Films, songs....etc

Most of the kannada films that are produced today are really apalling
in their quality. I saw this vishnu movie ....police mathu dada...oh!
ladhi shiva ...nijavagalu... it was actually a remake of his earlier
movie. Alla yenagide anthini ivarige.....this guy is 40+ ...give it
up man .... I have seen someof his classics but his movies these
days are ...ahhhkkk thu. We'll this is the quality of most of the kannada
movies. Shankar Nag used to produce and direct a lot of good movies...his
last one was also pretty good. With the recent deaths of a lot of talented
directors and directors I really fear we'll have to learn tamil or telugu
to enjoy good movies. 

The hamsa leka's,Ravichandran's, Raghvendra Rajkumar's ....just ain't got
it....

Yenanthira???

Harish.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: rao@acs.ucalgary.ca (Harish Rao)
Subject: Deterioration of Kannada movies, songs..etc
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:48:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Deterioration of Kannada Films, songs....etc

Most of the kannada films that are produced today are really apalling
in their quality. I saw this vishnu movie ....police mathu dada...oh!
ladhi shiva ...nijavagalu... it was actually a remake of his earlier
movie. Alla yenagide anthini ivarige.....this guy is 40+ ...give it
up man .... I have seen some of his classics but his movies these
days are ...ahhhkkk thu. We'll this is the quality of most of the kannada
movies. Shankar Nag used to produce and direct a lot of good movies...his
last one was also pretty good. With the recent deaths of a lot of talented
directors and writers I really fear we'll have to learn tamil or telugu
to enjoy good movies. 

The hamsa leka's,Ravichandran's, Raghvendra Rajkumar's ....just ain't got
it....

Yenanthira???

Harish.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna)
Subject: Mallikarjuna Mansur..
Keywords: Kannada singer, Dharwad
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:54:10 GMT

One of the great trio from Dharwad - Bheemsena Joshi, Mallikarjuna Mansur  
and Gangubhai Hangal has passed away. He has sung so many great folk 
songs in Kannada. An immeasurable loss. 

I thought it would be fitting if some one were to post a biography 
of this great singer's life and his songs. I plead complete ignorance
about his songs though I would love to hear about them if some one has  
more info. 

On a related note, Karnataka seems to be losing a lot of its stars in 
performing arts - Shankar Nag was perhaps most tragic. 

Coming back to Mansur - there was a detailed article about him in a 
India Today of 1990 if I am not mistaken. 

Sanjay
From: rthiagarajan@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Kannada Audio Cassettes?
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:52:22 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

Hello!
 
   Any Idea where one can purchase audio cassettes of the latest kannada 
songs ,preferably in the midwest.

Thanks

Hari K Reddy.
hreddy@valhalla.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: kulki@cs.toronto.edu (Dattatraya Kulkarni)
Subject: Re: Mallikarjuna Mansur..
Keywords: Kannada singer, Dharwad
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:18:04 GMT

krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna) writes:

>One of the great trio from Dharwad - Bheemsena Joshi, Mallikarjuna Mansur  
>and Gangubhai Hangal has passed away. He has sung so many great folk 
>songs in Kannada. An immeasurable loss. 

>I thought it would be fitting if some one were to post a biography 
>of this great singer's life and his songs. I plead complete ignorance
>about his songs though I would love to hear about them if some one has  
>more info. 

>On a related note, Karnataka seems to be losing a lot of its stars in 
>performing arts - Shankar Nag was perhaps most tragic. 

>Coming back to Mansur - there was a detailed article about him in a 
>India Today of 1990 if I am not mistaken. 

>Sanjay 

I still remember the performance of Pt. Mallikarjun Mansur
that AakaashvaaNi Dharwad, Gulbarga, Bhadravathi kept 
broadcasting, again and again ---

Akka kelavva, Naanondu kanasa kande
Nanondu kanasa kande;
Akki adaki thenginakai, kandenavva, kandenavva
....

I was introduced to Hindustani music only recently, so do 
not have any extensive collection right now. In case you
can place your hands on it, dont miss listening to:

Mallikarjun Mansur: Maestro's choice by music today.
It has Shukla Bilawal, a traditional favorite of his
gharana (I guess Gwalior). It also has Raisa Kanhra, and
Adambari Kedar.

The best I have is, Kukubh Bilawal in vol 4, of morning
ragas in the same series.  We do miss his mellow voice.

I wonder whether Dharwad can continue to be a place for
maestros. I know Madhav Gudi is good. There are
certain other youngsters like Mathura Dixit, Sangeetha,
I guess Veena ... who are long way from perfection.

--kulkarni
From: katkere@crim.eecs.umich.edu (Arun L. Katkere)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Looking for postings [Re: searching for K.V. ravindra, bellary]
Keywords: looking for, searching for
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:26:05 GMT
Reply-To: katkere@engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

Ignore if you are familiar with these methods.

Article: 78615 of soc.culture.indian
From: asokan@cs.columbia.edu (Mariappan Asokan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: To folks who are looking for e-mail addresses
Date: 8 Mar 92 20:04:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Mar8.200404.631
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

To folks who are looking for e-mail addresses of their friends:

You can get the net addresses of some of the hosts from the database
maintained at nic.ddn.mil.  Do a telnet or rlogin onto that host(if
you are on a UNIX machine) and type host.  You could then type any
character string that matches the description of the university at
the host: prompt (e.g., illinois for Illinois Institute of Technology).
You will get a list of host addresses.  You can then send an e-mail to
the user 'postmaster' at the desired host and ask for your friend's id.
The postmaster would reply back with the e-mail address of the person
you are looking for.

If you have any problems, ask the computer systems administrator at your
institution.


Article: 90021 of soc.culture.indian
From: raja@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Malur Ra Rajashekhar)
Subject: Re: Mallikarjuna Mansur..
Keywords: Kannada singer, Dharwad
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:45:14 GMT

Sanjay says about the TRIO from Dharwad. But Dharwad has produced
"Pancharatnas" in Hindustani Classical Music. His list of Bhimsen
Joshi, Mallikarjuna Mansur and Gangubai Hangal has left out the 
other two viz., Kumar Gandharva and Basavaraja Rajguru who are equally
famous.

Talking about the losses, kannada literature suffered quite a few of them
during 1991. We lost Gorur Ramaswamy Iyengar, Sham. Bha. Joshi (again from
Sadhana Keri, Dharwad which had other gems like Da. Ra. Bendre) , Niranjana
and V.L. Patil (who won Jnanpith award the previous year). 

And its sad that after that generation of GREATS both in music and 
literature,  we don't seem to be producing any good harvest these days. 
Could anybody name a few possible successors to the list of DVG, Kuvempu,
Masti, Karanth, Bendre ........ ?????
From: shirish@mozart.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (seetharam shirish)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Re: Looking for postings [Re: searching for K.V. ravindra, bellary]
Keywords: looking for, searching for
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:25:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Sep15.152605.8908@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, katkere@crim.eecs.umich.edu (Arun L. Katkere) writes:
|> Ignore if you are familiar with these methods.


	[stuff deleted]

|> *. Netfind
|> 
|>   Netfind is a "white pages" service that allows you to query one
|> -------------------------


To use netfind, you can also log onto "bruno.cs.colorado.edu" with login as "netfind".
	It is menu driven program, with help instructions....

|> -- 
|> hope this helps. 
|> -arun

	Shirish
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/	Colorado State Univ.		|				/
/	shirish@mozart.cs.colostate.edu	|				/
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,sci.econ,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore)
Subject: Re: To love and have fun
Reply-To: andy@ian.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:08:39 GMT

Ronda Hauben writes:

}Amateur computerists are those do computing for the love of it.
}
}The amateur is as opposed to those who do computers for commercial 
}purposes, so it was very nice to see the post "To love and have fun."
}
}And that the efforts to make it commercial threaten the amateur spirit
}that has helped usenet news grow and develop just as the commercial 
}pressures led to the disappearance of the computers and magazines, etc.
}which made it fun to play with ones computer.

This seems a bit extreme and one-sided.  I love computing, but I also
do computing to make a living.  Am I an amateur or a professional?  The
answer is BOTH!  It doesn't always work to make sweeping generalizations,
or try to force people into piegonholes.  I see no reason why people
professionals can't still have the amateur spirit, or "play" with computers
in a creative, learning way in the process of doing their jobs.  I see
no reason why amateurs and professionals can't work together and share
their thoughts, ideas, feelings about the good and bad aspects of computing.
I also feel this attitude of blurring distinctions between amateur and
professional can be applied to any number of other fields, including
science, music, art, etc...

Just my $0.02.   <smile> 
______________________________________________________________________________
Andy Moore          
 andy@ice.stx.com  
Xref: sparky alt.amateur-comp:13 alt.politics.elections:13215 soc.culture.usa:7303 sci.econ:7507
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.politics.elections,soc.culture.usa,sci.econ
Subject: Re: The Real Voice of Adam Smith
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:10:07 GMT
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In the current U.S. election campaign none ofthe candidates
are talking about the important issues of or times.

We are at a time when new technology like computers and telecommunications
demonstate that it is now possible to provide more of the necessitites
and convenieneces of life to the population of a society.

Instead in the U.S. there is more homelessness than ever, general 
assistance is cut off totall in states like Michigan leaving poor
people with no place to live and little to eat.

Factories like those of General Motors are being closed in massive
proportions even though there is a great need for inenexpensive cars 
in the U.S. and around the world.

Other major corporations in the U.S. are laying off their workers
closing plants, etc. The jobs that exist are under ever worse
working conditions with workers treated as if they are trash.

This is all at a time when just the opposite is possible - when
the great promise of the computer and the technology it makes possible
would make it possible to have people working fewer hours and able
to have more of what they need to live a decent life.

The paper "The Real Voice of Adam Smith" shows how Smith addresses
just these questions.

None of the candidates for President or any other office in the U.S.
are addressing any of these real issues - basically the need to
treat labor better in order to increase the WEALTH of the nation.


>
    


-- 
Ronda Hauben                    email address:ae547@yfn.ysu.edu
Amateur Computerist Newsletter              or
P.O. Box 4344                   rhauben@heartland.bradley.edu
Dearborn, MI 48126
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.zines,comp.programming,soc.culture.usa,sci.econ
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: To love and have fun
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:07:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Geraldo Xexeo (xexeo@dxcern.cern.ch) wrote:
: 1) We can have fun as we had with CP/M based computers, Apple IIs ,
: TRS-80, and others (I had a lot of fun with a ZX-81).

Yeah, the good old Coco... I can't imagine anyone having fun with a
Apple II...

:   My point is, since I started using X-Windows and Unix, one
: should learn so MANY different things to do something fun that I found
: better to work (or read news) than to start personal projects.
: 
:   Other solution will be a language like Turbo Pascal: a nice, closed 
: environment where you can have fun.  

I wish there was an easier way to write windoes programs. Motif tries
to gain some control over the complexity, but it itself is so complex.
We need a visual basic for X!

Scott
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: To love and have fun
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:21:39 GMT
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.

In article <1992Sep13.180751.28910@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>
>I wish there was an easier way to write windows programs. Motif tries
>to gain some control over the complexity, but it itself is so complex.
>We need a visual basic for X!

 There are schemes much easier to use than naked motif.

 Some are even free. Consider, for example: Tcl/Tk

Hello World:

#!/usr/local/X11/bin/wish -f
label .title -text "Tcl/Tk Greeting Program" -relief raised
label .response
button .greet -text "Greet" -command {.response configure -text "Hello, World"}
button .quit -text "quit" -command exit
pack append . .title top
pack append . .response top
pack append . .greet top
pack append . .quit top


 ..available via anonymous Ftp from:

sprite.berkeley.edu:/tcl/tk2.1.tar.Z    [128.32.150.27]
                         tcl6.3.tar.Z


-- 
 - dave fetrow-					fetrow@biostat.washington.edu

 "Never underestimate the ability of large potential profits to
  make technically inferior technology into a workable standard."
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.programming,alt.activism,alt.culture.usenet
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: TABLE OF CONTENTS of Vol 4 No 4 and ftp availability
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:39:56 GMT


Vol 4 No 4 of the Amateur Computerist Newsletter has the following articles:

The Impact of Computers on Scoiety: Two Views 
Current Problems
The Future

Letters to the Editor including
History 
Plant Closures
EDUC-8 -Australia's 1st general purpose stored-program computer for kit 
construction
Suggestion on Desktop Publishing 
Once Again on the Question of Censorship

Part Iv of Computers for the People: A History
Programming Try This Corner Including
Faces (Basic Program for IBM)
Magic Square (C Program)
News and Views from the Shop Floor Including
Poem "I'd Hate to Be a Foreman"
Comments from A Caterpillar Worker on UAW-Cat Strike
Open Access: America and the Dollar
Problem Corner (about high density drives)
Part II : Interview with Staff Member on the Occasion of 
the 10th Anniversary of the Personal Computer

The newsletter is available via anonymous ftp at:
wuarchive.wustl.edu
in the directory /doc/misc/acn

A Fall Supplement on Usenet News and Telecommunications is planned

We welcome submission of articles on computer issues, labor issues,
history of computing, the history of usenet news, try this programs, 
letters to the editor, etc.

Also, we would like to have columnists who are willing to write about
unix, telecommunications, etc.

And we welcome discussion in our new newsgroup alt.amateur-comp
on the above issues and also issues involving workers and computers.

           for the Amateur Computerist,
                     Ronda
-- 
Ronda Hauben                    email address:ae547@yfn.ysu.edu
Amateur Computerist Newsletter              or
P.O. Box 4344                   rhauben@heartland.bradley.edu
Dearborn, MI 48126
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.zines,comp.programming,soc.culture.usa,sci.econ
From: bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendelton)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: To love and have fun
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:07:32 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

From article <1992Sep13.180751.28910@cs.unca.edu>, by mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner):

> I wish there was an easier way to write windoes programs. Motif tries
> to gain some control over the complexity, but it itself is so complex.
> We need a visual basic for X!

Look on the X11 R5 under release under /contrib/lib/elk or on
export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/elk-1.5a.tar.Z. ELK is a scheme
interpretor with hooks for writing X programs using Xlib, Xt, Xaw, and
so on. If you liked BASIC 10 years ago, you'll love scheme now.

ELK is highly portable so you should be able to compile for most
any workstation you have. 

The version in the X11R5 release is 1.4, version 1.5a is available off
of expo.

			Enjoy!

				Bob P.

P.S.

To love and have fun, yep, that describes computers!
-- 
Bob Pendleton             | As an engineer I hate to hear:
bobp@hal.com              |   1) You've earned an "I told you so."
Speaking only for myself. |   2) Our customers don't do that.
                   <<< Odin, after the well of Mimir. >>>
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Blind & Deef, but not Dumb.
Keywords: A voice from beyond
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:18:17 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX


In case anyone has posted replies to me, I am not getting ANY alt.bonsai
posts at our site.  Mike Bartalone (sp?  Sorry If I got that wrong, Mike)
alerted me to this fact.  I AM getting email.

Apparently some news feed upstream from us is not passing alt.bonsai along.
Mike is going to send me copies of the alt.bonsai postings and my sysop and
I will examine the routing headers in an attempt to identify the break.

Hope to "see" you soon.

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|   (214) 235-7161 x 5320         |  222 Municipal Drive             |
|   andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org      |  Richardson, TX  75080           |
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: ag173@yfn.ysu.edu (Jay Hauben)
Subject: Re: To love and have fun
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:10:09 GMT


In reply to Jery and Ronda and Scott, I first learned to program in 1962. TheSA Institute for Space Studies hired some of us Physics major under-
graduates to be available to help with the theoretical research. To 
begin we learned to program in FORTRAN on the IBM 740 or was it 790.
In any case FORTRAN was easy to learn from a book by McCracken and we
had a lot of fun even though this was done with punch cards and bathch
processing. Two years later I was back at NASA and this time I wrote simple programs that generated graphs for a chapter in a book on Stellar Evolution.

I didn't get to play with a computer again until about 1982 when my son
bouht himself a TIMEX 1000 (for $100). We tried everything with that little
machine and got help from hobbiest magazines. It was a great family activity
to try to figure out how the little TRY THIS programs worked and to debug
them.

It's been a while this then. I'v been involved with COMPAQs and MACs
and IBMS and clones since then. But my next big thrill came when I
posted on USENET. It was March 15 1992. That is the date in history 
when the Hungarian people rose up in 1848 to jion the rest of Europe
in trying to change the backward political direction then prevalent.
I posted on soc.culture.magyar and salute to the courageous Hungarian 
people then and to those who carried on that tradion in recent years.

The next day I had my first e-mail. A Hungarian expatriot thanked me 
for my post and wondered who I was to make such a post. I answered him and for the next week or too I was amazed to have an informative and very radid 
exchange of e-mail messages. Never had I had such a discussion with a
stranger even in person. The USENET and INTERNETS were a new form of
interesting and useful fun and agian it was from my prospective our
trusty 8088 machine that was making all this possible for me. I have
on to use USENET to find out about Strikes and life in Germany. I'v
gottened flamed on soc.culture.magyar for quoting Adam Smith that
society has to watch out for those who own stock. I'v gotten help
preparing to teach a STATICS course. And I'v begun to realize the
Twentiet century has made one great contribution to the development
of human society -- the personal computer and the telecommunications 
explosion it has made possible. And that that contribution if fully
attributeable to amateurs, hackers and fighters for real democracy.
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