From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clinton won't put ASS on the line.    (Lead or Leave)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
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In article <1992Oct16.073927.8153@Princeton.EDU>, 
niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>

>In article <15OCT199222074314@utarlg.uta.edu> 
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
>>

>>Why won't Clinton take the Pledge to Lead or Leave?
> 
>Because he believes in democracy?  Let the people decide.

It's not democracy, and the people have been ignored. The Democrats
represent less than 20% of the populace. Probably more like 10%
judging from local elections. 

I'm happy to let the people decide. A driver's license or state 
id card is sufficient registration, and mail-in votes can be
issued so as to be easily verified. By all means, let the people
decide. But fat chance the Democrats would agree -- they don't
believe in democracy -- they believe is socialism.

Most folks wouldn't buy a car without a contract, so there's no 
reason to buy more of the "Trust-Me with your money" Democratic 
scamming. Year after year we get taken for a ride -- and the 
Republicans are no better.

The proof is the new FY'93 Federal Budget -- no cuts in spending
and no cuts in borrowing.

>>Perot has said "one term" opting for a self imposed term limit.
> 
>Of course, his plan is a *5* year plan to eliminate the deficit.  One
>wonders how he's going to do this if he's only there for 4 years.

He's not going to do it. We will. The best way I can think of is 
is a Taxpayer-Spending-Strike to show Congress that we're dead serious.
I've already started -- I won't buy but the minimum needs to live. I
don't travel by vehicle any more than absolutely necessary. I don't buy
luxuries or entertainment. There is no Big Government Spending plan that
can work when a sizable portion of the populace quits spending. If 
government won't cut back -- then let's see how long they last when
the money stop's coming in. 

That Big-Government-Castle the Dems and GOPS are hiding-in can't with-
stand sustained economic siege. The most powerful act we have as 
citizens in America today is QUITTING -- quit personal overspending,
and quit chasing a 2 job lifestyle. It is immoral to support crooks
and con artists -- who are eating our children and their dreams.

If you will not stop willingly -- let's see you drag the whole thing
along by yourselves. 

You see, we will know by year 2 if there is real effort. We don't have
to wait for year 4 or 5. With the old-guard-parties it's already obvious
there is no will to change from overspending and overborrowing, look at
their $4T DEBT and $1.5T BUDGET.

If you don't work with Perot -- we do it the hard way. And it's easy to
do, cause all those of us who care have to do is just quit.

The first to go will be University grants. Then government contracts.
Then cut backs overseas. All because "Trust-Me" government is nothing
but a scam. 

>>Clinton said he won't enter a legal contract to cut spending.
> 
>>Clinton wouldn't take the pledge to cut the deficit in half or leave.
> 
>It's a stupid pledge.  The budget/deficit/economy are affected by many
>things, some of which are unforseeable.  Making ironclad pledges ("No
>new taxes") is silly because you don't *know* whether that is going to
>be the right thing to do in all circumstances

So where's the commitment and where's the responsibility? I wouldn't
have a house re-roofed without a contract -- why the heck should I 
trust anyone who won't put their name on the line? 

It's not like we don't have plenty of evidence of political lies and
corruption. 

>If he hasn't cut the deficit, then VOTE HIM OUT!  Stop playing with
>these silly gimmicks.

I am voting "him" out -- Democrat and Republican.

You think I'm kidding? Go back up and look at that "Quit" strategy.
I'd rather bring down the house now than live with the vermin -- 
especially when they are eating our children. 

America is like an old tenement, and the Republicans and the 
Democrats are the RATS who have taken over. I'd rather demolish it
than live with infestation -- with all the rats trapped inside. 

Again, the evidence is spread out like a garbage dump -- HUD scam,
Defense Spending scam, S&L scam, $4T in Debt, and another wopping
huge federal budget -- $1.5T -- passed just last week again by all 
the rats.  

And yet the only thing you offer is more "Trust Bill." 

Yeah right, Democrat.

>>Clinton blames trickle-down but does not acknowledge that it's both
>>the Republicans and the DEMOCRATS in CONGRESS and the Presidency
>>who authored and passed the spending that has put this country 
>>$4 Trillion dollars in debt *AND* passed another busted $1.5 Trillion 
>>dollar new Federal Budget just last week. 
> 
>And the American people who repeatedly elect the people who do these things.

Another lie David. Up to 75% of The American People are excluded by 
work-day-voting, registration requirements, gerrymandering, ballot access 
restrictions, third party media black-outs, incumbency, PAC funding, 
the good-old-boys network, and the like.  

Face it David the old-party-apparatus is just as corrupt as the 
communist party was -- so much so that it tries to restrict 3rd party
public criticism. The reason is that the party practices are corrupt
and can not stand the light of day. You know it -- you've accepted it
because of the long historical evidence of corruption and lies -- but
it is still absolutely wrong. And it's gotten so bad now that the abuse 
is being heaped onto future generations.

If you're going to be rat -- don't be surprised when you find yourself
politically exterminated. 

If your going to be an American -- then put your own Ass on the line. 

>>I don't expect him to put his paycheck on the line like Perot, but I do
>>expect him to put his name on the line. And I wouldv'e hoped he'd put
>>his time on the line that if he can't produce results -- he'd get out. 
> 
>He will.  If he doesn't produce the results people want, he'll have to
>leave -- just like George Bush now.

Another lie. Bill *Democrat* and George *Republican* ar doing the same 
old party shuffles. The evidence of failure to change is that new $1.5T 
dollar Federal budget -- proof positive of the collusion of the Democrat
and Republican parties.

>>He's a Party-Pawn plain and simple. And he won't dare upset the 
>>incumbents by putting his own ASS on the line.
> 
>Where do you get this from?

Look at the facts. Lead or Leave.

>>Goodbye MR. Clinton. 
> 
>Bye, Steven.  Where are you going?

To crank up a wrecking ball -- this old House is coming down.

>David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
>niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
>   princeton.edu     | Clinton/Gore '92.  Four more weeks!!!

-- Stephen Tice    Arlington Texas    "Quit Spending"     
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