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From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Holst not know own culture either
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:29:17 GMT

In article <77734@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:

>In article <1901@kluge.fiu.edu> stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
>>You didn't mention that there was another school of thoughts advocated
>>by Mr. Xun that considered human beings were born as barbaric and selfish
>>as animals, hence the need of education and law. 
>
>The problem with Xun Zi idea is that if human beings are not born
>innately with some basic idea of good or evil, where do ideas of good
>and evil come from?
>
>Either:
>1. There is no real good and evil, in which case I have no real reason to
>listen to Hsun Zi's ideas.  After all, if there is no real good or evil,
>what is wrong with barbarism or selfishness, or
>2. The ideas of good and evil come from an supernatural external source
>(God). 

IMO, you have too few alternatives here.  So let me add another.  

3. Humans are social and predatory at the same time, and have attenuated 
   instinctual behavior, owing to an extended childhood during which the 
   behaviors that are instinctual in other social predators are *learned* 
   by human children.  This gives human social structure a flexibility 
   and plasticity under severe stress that wolf packs, for instance, do 
   not have.  

   But that having been said, what is to keep these *very* efficient 
   social predators from dissolving their own societies in internicine 
   disorder?  If that happens, the advantages of social predation 
   *vanish*!  

   I _speculate_ that _some_ ideas about 'good' and 'evil' social 
   behavior _are_ instinctual.  Strains of proto-humans having such 
   instincts would have a significant advantage over those who did not, 
   since *their* societies would retain their cohesion while the others' 
   would not.  

   I hold that the evolutionary metaphor is a *very* useful tool in 
   understanding human social behavior.  IMO, it is not usually either 
   neccessary or useful to invoke God as an explanation for human 
   social behavior.  That's just my $ 0.02.  

   [rest deleted, for reasons of brevity]

--
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From: lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:52:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: terra.Aug.17.14.52.30.1992.468
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Carl

Are you saying I can slap on your face because I got more muscle than
you? I just feel I want to do that but I won't:)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ NR-4007: Protection Coordination
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:19:58 GMT


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IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4007       August 20, 1992
             PROTECTION BILL COORDINATION
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Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

                Protection Coordination
                =======================

Dear IFCSS Members:

    Mr. Hou Junwei, who has provided valuable help to our
protection campaign, just released the newest result of his
research: the bill is still in the House. After reading his
report, the HQ exchanged telephone calls and emails with Mr.
Hou. We evaluated all the information and checked several
references but reached no decisive conclusion. Please stay
calm, however, as our people in charge of the lobby
activities will for sure investigate the situation and make
their reports as soon as possible.

   No matter what the situation is, we will have to
continue our nation-wide supporting activities. In a
democratic society, the fate of a legislative drive is often
determined by the degree of mass mobilization and participation.
The HQ has released its plan for nation-wide coordination.
To fully implement that plan, the HQ needs strong moral and
financial support. In the past several weeks, the HQ has
completed many projects to assist the campaign. But the HQ
has also been under constant pressure and has to overcome
all kinds of difficulties. We hope that it is understood
that the HQ needs a strong support from the general CSS
community, otherwise not only its ability to coordinate
the protection campaign will be severely reduced, it will
also affect the long term development of IFCSS.

   You may show your support by joining the nation-wide
lobby coordinator system, by organizing supporting
activities, or by sending encouragement to the HQ. Donations
are extremely needed. The HQ is not in a good condition
financially. Little money was left from last term. Fund-
raising drive for this term has just started. On the other
hand, the protection campaign has drained the limited
resources. In the last month, the telephone bill alone
was over $1,900. Some HQ staffs have not been payed
in July and August although they have worked day and night
fo the interests of fellow students and scholars. Under
such a difficult yet critical time, we should work
together and support each other.

   The HQ has collected a long list of potential
school and state coordinators. We hope to organize
the list and publish it as soon as possible.

   Thank you for your attention.

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         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: arminl@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Armin Luetkenhaus)
Subject: WANTED: Person living in Nanking/Nanjing (China)
Summary: WANTED: Person living in Nanking/Nanjing (China)
Organization: RWTH-Aachen, Deutschland
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:43:11 GMT


I'm looking for a person who is living in the city of Nanking/Nanjing (China)
and would do me a favour. First, I have to say that I'm sorry I don't know
the correct spelling of the city name, but I hope both names denote the same
city and there is only one with this name in China...

The situation: A friend of mine studies Asiatic languages. She is going to
spend some time in Nanking (China) to improve her knowledge.  I would like
to surprise her with a bunch of flowers or another little gift as a sign
of welcome.  Because of financial reasons I can't come to China to do so :-).
If you're living in Nanking and would like to welcome her, please let me know.

Thanks in advance
--- Armin ---

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:11:00 GMT

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) /  6:59 pm  Dec 31, 1969 */
In article <1992Aug13.180741.23878@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
>Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the

>compensation money. Just for your reference, the average cost of a 
                                                  ============
>funeral, including a coffin, tomb, music band, buried stuffs, etc.,
>in Taiwan may run up to NT. 1,000,000 which is about RMB 200,000,
               =========                              ============
>while the average cost in China may only run up to RMB 20,000.
>they are barely doing the same thing as Chinese.
>
>Yi-Chieh

  What do you mean ?  The average cost is around RMB 200,000 ? or
The cost could run up to RMB 200,000 ?  That's a lot of money, about
 US $35,000. Can AVERAGE dead Taiwaness afford such a lavish funeral?

   BTW, how much average Taiwaness spend on wedding?

Zhongbai You

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From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:10:26 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.004523.8822@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>
>>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>>used to by Americans.
>There were elections before 1949!( Kuo Da Dan Biao were elected).

    It's obviously those elections not fair and democratic, 
otherwise why no alternative for terrible leaderships of
Chiang and KMT at that time.

cqu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Grage Sale
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.153716.11454@bradley.bradley.edu> casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>     I always build in a 20% "jewing factor" in the price of the items I 
                               ^^^
Is this something different from a 20% margin, which is a more typical
retailer's term?  Understandably, you expect to come down from your
asking price, but why do you call this practice "jewing"?  Isn't it
enough to call it bargaining?  Why use an ethnic slur?

T. Traub
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 18 Aug 1992 12:51:07 GMT

In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
>the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
>for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
>dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
>mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
>a reason.  

But in Marco Polo's book, China was like a heaven and that was in Yuan 
dynasty.

Chou1
From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Protest! Protest! Protest!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:13:33 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

    The international students at PennState will be holding a protest against
the university's health insurance policy. The protest is dated August 17th,
Monday, in front of the HUB(hertzel Union Building) and the Old Main.
    PennState requires all international students came after fall,1990 to
buy insurance for themself and their dependents. The insurance should be the
MEGA plan provided by this school or other insurance that meet the waiver
standards. The waiver standards were set very strict so that international
students have no choice but to buy MEGA because any insurance that meet all
the waiver standards will be much more expensive than MEGA. The MEGA cost
about $500 a year for the student but $1778 for the student spouse and $800
for a child. If the  international student has assistantship, the school pays
%80 of the insurance for the student, but not for spouses and children.
MEGA doesn't provide good coverage for illnesses though it's so expensive.
    American students are not required to buy insurance for their dependents,
but they can choose to buy MEGA for their dependents if they want. So when
their wifes are going to have a baby. they may spend a few hundred dollars
to buy MEGA for their wifes for only one semester, and enjoy the maternity
coverage. The cost, certainly, will be imposed on international students who
are forced to buy MEGA even there's a lot of unwanted coverages like the
maternity coverages for their husbands and children!
From: kuang@rdsparc2.CSELT.STET.IT (Kuang Jiaxing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NO InterNet site in China [ was RE: The internet site at Fudan
 University ]
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:20:20 GMT


Dear SCC readers,

I am lazy, since Jia-Yin Ma posted his wonder about Internet link to
Fudan to SCC, I have received more than 30 junk mails (test...),
Liu Dong (dliu@ace.njit.edu) has posted SCC about the story I applied
for IP net number, I thought it should be clear to all SCC readers
there is NO Internet site in China, I seldom read SCC, it is full of
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
test messages.
On the other hand, China sites are reachable by email from Internet,
BITNET, UUCP, CSNET, and ..., there are some gateways in europe
(Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland) relay emails.

As I know it is similiar for former Soviet Union (or called EUN),
they have only MX record in Internet DNS, although some site in EUN
have got IP net number, their gateway is at Finland.
Has anyone successfuly telnet/ftp to EUN?

=====================================================================
INet:   kuang@rdsparc2.cselt.stet.it
X400:   S=kuang; O=CSELT; P=Y-NET; A=MASTER400; C=it;
Tel (Off):  +39 11 2286 158
Addr:   CSELT
        Via Reiss Romoli 274
        10148 Torino /Italy
=================== The truth shall make you free ===================
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:27:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug20.193824.1931@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>I guess you really got lost! I have stated my point in my previous posts that  
>it is useless to ask for apology. If Chinese people are so eager for apology  
                                    =========================================
>from Japan, it is natural for Chinese government to apologize to 
 ================================================================
the Korean and Vietnamese people. 
==================  

   I believe you are lost. Your analogy between Janpan-China and China-Korea
China-Vietnam are wrong! Since they are very different. Your assumption
that they are similar is invalid. Here it is:

 (1) Janpanese Army brutally slaughtered 200k Chinese in Nanking, you know
those and other brutal war crimes.
                       ==========
 (2) There is NO evidence that Chinese army conducted similar war crimes
so brutal in Vietnam or Korea. 

  It is obvious, they are not an analogy. Your analogy is wrong. Those
people are asking apology for those brutal war crimes not simply invason. 
                  ======================================================
Their crying is justified.


>If you are really desperate for the apology, go ahead and
>petition. If you are lucky you will probably get one. Hopefully you will not  
>just be satisfied after you get the apology. Be careful for the next hit!
>
>There are two kinds of peoples in the world (maybe more). One is protestor-type  
>and the other is engineer-type. The former spend a lot of time crying,  
>petitioning and even cursing for something. The latter quietly work towards  
>their goals. I admire the latter. China will never get stronger and avoid  


  I found you are really funny. If you admire the silent, then keep silent !
Why are you crying around to criticise other people. Go study your 
Engineering hard, let the 'protestor' alone. 

>
>Carl
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu)
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:24:21 GMT

cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:

>Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
>Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the
>higher compensation may mostly go to the cost of the coffin and tomb for 
>the dead. Don't hope to make money out of the dead people from the 
>compensation money. Just for your reference, the average cost of a 
>funeral, including a coffin, tomb, music band, buried stuffs, etc.,
>in Taiwan may run up to NT. 1,000,000 which is about RMB 200,000,
>while the average cost in China may only run up to RMB 20,000.
>So, even if the foreigner get 10 times more compensation than Chinese, 
>they are barely doing the same thing as Chinese.

Unless you never die, you always need a funeral or alike.
Just matter of time. I am sure it'll cost a lot more if you die twenty 
years later. (I'm sorry to make this joke under such a serious subject).

The compensation we are talking about is for the loss of a life, not
for the funeral cost. Please.
The question is simple,
Does a taiwanese life worth more than a mainlander's life?

We are NOT created equal, nor dead equal. :-(
>Yi-Chieh
--

===
Zhu Yuchen, Edmonton
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 3
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:07:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 3)

Between 400 BC and 391 BC, Chinese produces the first known kite.

Chinese observers report a supernova in 352 BC, the earliest known record
of such a sighting.

In 318 BC, China establishes an academy of scholars.

Between 310 BC and 301 BC, the Chinese invent a form of bellows, known
as the double-acting piston bellows, that produces a continous stream
of air; such a bellows was not known in the West until the 16th century.

Between 300 BC and 291 BC, Chinese astronomers compile star maps that
will be used for the next several hundred years; the Chou Pei Suan Ching
(among the oldest mathematical classics from China) is written; the
Chinese concepts of Yin and Yang (paired opposites) are incoporated into
the Chinese model of how the universe is organized; the Chinese invent a
form of harness that is pushed by a horse's chest instead of a horse's
throat, a great improvement that was not adopted in the West until the
8th century AD; Mohist writings in China describe the first known use of
poison gas in warfare; the Chinese invent cast iron.

Between 270 BC and 261 BC, a leading member of Xuan's Zhi-Xia Academy
(Zuo Yan) systemizes the Chinese theory of 5 elements: water, metal,
wood, fire, and earth. 

Between 260 BC and 241 BC, the Mo Ching, a collection of writings by 
followers of Mo-tzu, contains a clear statement of the first law of 
motion later formulated by Newton (1663 - 1736 ?); the Great Wall of
China is started.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: airfare war to China
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:05:41 GMT


$446 x 2 from West Coast to Beijing by Northwest Airlines.
Advertised in newspapers this weekend.  Normal fare is about $1500 R.T.
From: cwliu@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Questions on scholorship information
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Originator: cwliu@sparc3.cs.uiuc.edu

A couple month ago there were some postings in this news group about
scholorships from some Taiwan bussinessman or companies. Does anyone
still has the information? I will appreciate it if you can mail a copy
of the information or tell me where I can get it. (my email: 
  cwliu@cs.uiuc.edu)
      Thanks in advance!


C. Liu
From: mm@doge.phys.um.edu (Matt Macura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:48:19 GMT
Reply-To: mm@doge.phys.um.edu (Matt Macura)
Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

There are at least one third of the articles in this Newsgroup that either
sounds really boring or looks really ugly. I don't really understand why some
people keep buffling on something for damn too long. I don't think some of the
guys here should be allowed to shoot craps all over the place like they did.
Clean up the fights, man!
From: janaki@cs1.bradley.edu (Venkata Nemana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.german,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: THE WHISPER!  MOST UNSPORTIVE !!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:29:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs1.janaki.714252577
Organization: Bradley University




What I feel is that:


NBC nodoubt earned good credit for it's coverage of the Olympics
but there's certainly one point when it acted the most "UNSPORTIVELY" !

Bob (Costas) & Co was frequently speculating that the Chinese and other 
atheletes took drugs to "beat the Americans" (esp. female swimmers)
whom it thinks the  only great swimmers in the world and none else !!!

A good sportsman always recognises the talent in his/her sporting rival 
if he/she looses in the race. 
And they went so forward that they could comment so inhumanly that some
females display male features!?!  I wonder how could anyone be so mean
especially in such an extravagant sporting camp. If they could dare to
look at themselves, there are quite a few females in the U.S contingent
too, that would fit the above comment.

As the out-side world sees it, the U.S. atheletes have shown some 
excellent performances in Barcelona. We can name atleast one person in
every event they participated. The sagas of Mark Lenzi, Gail (Devers),
Mary Clark, Shannon Miller, one Mr.High_Bars,Jackie Kersee and 
almost all the swimmers are verymuch exciting/inspiring forever. The 
fight Dave put to grab a medal (from down under) is always a model.
Jennifer winning over Steffi is not a small feat either.
And not to mention, I always feel that the U.S. would be the luckiest
country to produce a great Sports(Gentle)man named Carl Lewis. So,
to be frank, all the gold medals do not certainly mean "DRUGS" for
the United States! 

They must be in a very false impression that "though the Games end,
the whisper(created and designed by the Media) remains". But what
remained in the end is a mark of unsportiveness on the face of the NBC
for such comments.

Let's pray the god to inject some sportiveness in the U.S.Media.



-Jani.
From: LUKE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: help
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:46:00 GMT

Can anyone tell me the listserv nodename that I can subscribe to SCC
(soc-culture-china)?

Thank you
 Le Ke
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge)
Subject: Re: Australia Satellite Successfully Launched
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:38:38 GMT

Isn't it the biggest news after the Barcelona Olympics ?
Congratulations!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china