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From: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Originator: jsjackso@c00076-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:38:14 GMT




In article 38676 Jani A. Heinonen writes:


>   Once, when I was demonstrating the Mickey Mouse effect for a
>friend, got
>a little carried away and forgot to breathe enough air, I experienced
>some
>kind of a psychoactive effect which was far from enjoyable. It was
>like my
>mind was totally shut down without being unconscious. It was a frozen
>moment which only lasted for a few seconds but scared me shitless. I
>always
>thought it was because of lack of oxygen.

I discovered that effect while doing nitrous with some friends. Up to that
point, we had been breathing one Whippet apiece in turns. The other two were
totally fucked and were quite incapable of taking the dispensor thing from
me so I breathed two in a row (standing up), with only one short breath 
in between cartridges. WHAM! Next thing I knew, my face had become 
acquainted with the desk, and the other guys were trying to pick me up 
and bring me around. It wasn't really scary at the time, just wierd.
After that, we would get several boxes of Whippets and intentionally breath
the nitrous until we blanked. Talk about some wierd fuckin' visuals!
Anyone know what possible effect this could have on me?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:14:36 GMT

In article <1ako6tINN46t@agate.berkeley.edu> marc@remarque.berkeley.edu (Marc DeGroot) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.141331.15544@prime.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
>>But if you are even out of condoms, you CAN suck the lovely gas straight
>>out of the tank, if you just are ultra cautious. Open the valve so much
>>that the gas is almost coming out, place your lips GENTLY to the valve
>>and turn the know SLOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY. Slowlier than hell. If you do this
>>slowly enough, the valve will now get frozen and you'll have plenty of
>>time to complete one lungful.
>
>No, no, NO!  The chances of "exploding your lungs" are slight -- more than
>likely you'll inflate your cheeks and your mouth will lose its seal around
>the valve.  HOWEVER this is extremely dangerous as far as freezing your
>mouth, throat, and lungs, and can KILL you.  Is it really worth it?

Actually it's far from dangerous, if you just know what you're doing and
dealing with. At least around here the valves are very heavy duty and
reliable, so it all depends on you.

I say: use the balloons, condoms or whatever. But if you're out of
anything inflatable, do not be too scared of the tank itself if you just
think you know what you're doing. It's all about getting the right touch
to the valve, and opening the valve probably slightly before you start
inhaling, so you can even measure the temp and volume by hand.

One of the biggest danger factors is that if you pass out while the
valve is open, you run the risk of getting a whole tank being emptied
into your room/whereever. This might get you killed.

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 06:56:18 GMT


     If we were to outlaw everything that hurt people, we would also have
to outlaw the enforcement against drugs, as this is an area where so many
people are hurt.  
 
     I think the populatiry of marijuana and cocaine came about because so
many people do feel safer using them than using tobacco and alcohol.  All
the medical information seems to prove them out, marijuana and cocaine,
and even heroin, are safer than alcohol and tobacco, especially when used
by people who are knowledgeable about the drugs, and when the drugs are of
a good quality.
 
     We might see an immediate downturn in deaths after legalization
because producers will be producing safer versions of the dangerous drugs,
that is to say, the drugs that are somewhat more risky than drinking
water.  Violence associated with drugs would almost entirely disappear.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:56:19 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>And, how does she know? Strychnine is not used in the synthesis of LSD.
>Period - no qualification.   People also swear that they have seen flying
>saucers or the Virgin Mary. In neither case does their belief make it true.

Well, lest dogmatic attachment to the supposed virtues of a particular system
hinder the search for an appropriate system...

Why doesn't someone track down the following references.  I did a medline
search with (lysergic acid diethylamide && strychnine) and came up with 
15 references.   These are the only ones that see worth getting.  

Schnoll SH  Vogel WH
Analysis of "street drugs".
N Engl J Med (1971 Apr 8) 284(14):791

Brown JK  Shapazian L  Griffin GD
A rapid screening procedure for some "street drugs" by thin-layer
     chromatography.
J Chromatogr (1972 Jan 19) 64(1):129-33


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Products to be banned by FDA
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:26:13 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Keywords: anonymous

There's nothing particularly weird or awful about the removal of any of
these nostrums from the market.  You shouldn't be misled; a drug may
appear here, but be removed only in the category for which it was
banned (such as removing the antihistamine diphenhydramine as a topical
treatment for poison ivy.) It's still a perfectly good oral antihistamine.
What's more, the way drugs are listed is confusing--they're usually
part of a more complicated product.  I mean, you'd never see codeine
removed as a pain reliever, but perhaps it was present in small
subpharmacological doses in some OTC "exempt narcotic" pain relievers.
Most of these concoctions are ancient and the drug mixtures were never
subjected to modern standards of efficacy.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: N2O (i.e.Kidde whippets)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:44:03 GMT

In article <BvK4Gn.MHn@nic.umass.edu>, AAT@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (Gus Trautweiler) writes:
>I don't recomend the use of a whipitizer. They are designed for whip cream
>not humane consumption.  

Ahem.  What do you do with *your* whipped cream?  I put it on food and eat
it.  If that's not "consumption", I don't know what is.

>Check out the metal shwag at the bottom of the 
>canister after a case or two.  Not too healthy.  

I don't know what a "shwag" is, but I trust that any metal shavings that
come loose will sit at the bottom of the balloon.

>Use only medical grade, it's worth the wait and much safer.  

Worth what wait?  The wait to get a job at a dentist's office?  Is medical
grade available by mail-order?  You are confusing me.

>The N2O buzz is caused by
>lack of O2 in the brain so remember, have fun AND safety first! 

If this were true, you could get the same buzz just by breathing your own
CO2 out of a balloon.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Current schedule of MDMA?
Keywords: X,ecstasy,schedule
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:28:24 GMT

In article <19ru9kINNcc6@agate.berkeley.edu> bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.021646.17707@u.washington.edu> lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>>Someone is trying to send MDMA through an IND application to the FDA.
>>I wish them luck...
>
>What's an IND application?  By context I assume it means to remove it from
>Schedule 1 (yay!) but I'd rather know for sure than spread untrue rumors...

"Investigational New Drug".  The idea, presumably, is that if MDMA goes
through the FDA approval process, it cannot reasonably be kept in
Schedule I ("no accepted medical use") and will have to be moved to
something more sensible.  My guess is that the FDA will say, "It's
Schedule I, so it has no medical use; we don't want to look at it." :-(
Maybe the issue could get some press coverage back on the medical
use of MDMA...

>	Brian

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Okay, what is going on here....
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:57:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.001059.1826@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac (bill nelson) writes:
>He explained that, with his current mailing system, that cannot
>be eliminated unless he is given root access. If all trace of the
>incoming path is eliminated, that is all that matters. 

On most systems it is easy to change the relevant headers, and I think
it would be easy to arrange that.  But I don't think there's a reason.

>It is possible to determine that he posted the anonymous message to
>the net - so what? Unless someone gets their hands on the system logs,
>they won't be able to determine who originally sent the message.

Does the gateway guard against looking at the time of the message
posted?  If not, a feature to add would be to keep the message on the
destination of the mail system for a random time interval and then
forward it.  Another would be to make the anonymous gateway take the
destination address (newsgroup) from the mail message itself instead
of the To: address.  These additions would make it safer against
people looking at the originating machine's mail logs.  If you also
add PGP support, encrypt the whole message and have a "trusted" person
administrating the gateway machine, it would form relatively safe
anonymity.  You could also add posting to other newsgroups and even to
people's mail addresses using their published PGP keys.  Then, for
easy private email somewhat protected from even traffic analysis post
encrypted email messages to a newsgroup.  For better bandwidth
utilization other ways should be implemented.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:13:31 GMT

In article <cavasin.718068139@muse> cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin) writes:
>p.s. someone's post implied that attaching a hose to the tank and sucking the
>N2O through the hose was an acceptable way to do it.  This is hilarious.
>The shit is under ENORMOUS pressure; without a regulator it would explode your
>fuckin lungs, plus it's WAY cold; you'll get frost on a hose 1 ft away from
>the tank.  use balloons.

I suggest balloons too, or condoms if you're out of good balloons (the
acceptable ones are something like 100-150 cm of diameter).

But if you are even out of condoms, you CAN suck the lovely gas straight
out of the tank, if you just are ultra cautious. Open the valve so much
that the gas is almost coming out, place your lips GENTLY to the valve
and turn the know SLOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY. Slowlier than hell. If you do this
slowly enough, the valve will now get frozen and you'll have plenty of
time to complete one lungful.

If you are dazed, crazed, zonked, bonked or otherwise in uncontrollably
overhilarious state, do not try this, or you can truly explode your
lungs. Or whatever.
...
At our local industrial quality supplier's place they have yellow
smiling acid faces on the office wall. Go figure. I always wonder why
the tank loader guy smiles in such a funny way.

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
From: davidc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (David Cake)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:20:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin) writes:

>vince

>p.s. someone's post implied that attaching a hose to the tank and sucking the
>N2O through the hose was an acceptable way to do it.  This is hilarious.
>The shit is under ENORMOUS pressure; without a regulator it would explode your
>fuckin lungs, plus it's WAY cold; you'll get frost on a hose 1 ft away from
Perhaps if the tap only had two positions, on and off. However, like
most taps , it has positions in between. How can you drink from a water
tap without your mouth filling up completely? You don't need to turn it
full on. The frost does not form to that extent either, We haven't
noticed a problem using about a meter of hose (the frost is only a very
light frosting on the tank after lots of use).
>the tank.  use balloons.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:16745 alt.psychoactives:1327
From: patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M Crumhorn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: FDA to act against imported drugs
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 16:25:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSN. WARNS OF ILLEGAL DRUG PROMOTION, DISTRIBUTION 

CHICAGO (OCT. 5) BUSINESS WIRE - The American Medical Association has asked
federal authorities to investigate and take action against the illegal
promotion and distribution in the United States of unapproved drug products
imported from abroad. 

In discussions with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the AMA expressed
its concern about ''off-shore'' (e.g. Bahamas) and ''overseas'' (e.g. Europe)
prescription mail-order houses, which advertise U.S.-patented prescription drug
products in popular American magazines. 

Using their credit cards, American consumers can usually order these
medications by toll-free telephone call, often at greatly reduced prices and
apparently without a doctor's prescription. 

The promotion and distribution of unapproved drug products within the United
States is illegal.  Among the AMA's other concerns are questions of quality,
self-prescription and lack of medical supervision which could pose a
significant risk to a patient's health. 

The quality of so-called ''foreign versions'' of prescription drugs is often
unknown; in some cases the drugs are counterfeits. Directions for appropriate
use of the products may be inadequate. 

Finally, the ease with which these unapproved and sometimes potent mail-order
drugs can be obtained -- frequently without a doctor's prescription -- raises
serious concerns about self-medication without the guidance of a licensed
practitioner, according to the AMA. 

The AMA's action is not meant to restrict the importation of small dosages of
drugs not yet approved in the United States, when intended for the treatment of
individuals with serious illnesses.  These ''personal use'' drugs are permitted
entry by the FDA in treatment quantities of three months or less. 

They must not pose unreasonable health safety risks, must not be promoted in
this country, and should be used only to treat illnesses for which no
satisfactory treatments are currently available here. 

Individuals importing such drugs must adequately document that the drugs are
for their own use and are administered under the supervision of a physician
licensed to practice in the United States. The AMA has also issued an advisory
to physicians nationwide to inform their patients of the potential health
hazards of prescription medications obtained from mail-order houses abroad, and
of the risks of self-medicating with drugs that require a physician's
prescription. 

Because physicians must address the cost of prescription drugs and the ability
of individual patients to pay for medications, the AMA has reminded physicians
that U.S. pharmaceutical houses have established programs enabling those with
modest resources to obtain expensive drug products. 

CONTACT:  The American Medical Association, Washington 
   202/789-7400 
              or 
   Arnold Collins, 312/464-4430 



=END=
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: china white
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:56:01 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <xyzzy> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>In article <plover plugh>, curtis@cs (Curtis Yarvin) wrote:
>>In article <fee fie foe foo> I wrote:
>>>2) again, side-by-side comparison of heroin vs. cocaine, this time
>>>long-term mortality. The results? After some period of time (I think 30
>>>days), 30% of the heroin rats were dead, while 90% of the cocaine rats were
>>>dead.
>>
>>Damn good thing, innit, that people aren't rats.
>
>One point to ponder here is the environment.  I understand that people
>in cages tend to self-administer psychoactive drugs more often and in
>greater quantities than people outside cages.  I'd guess the rats were
>in cages?
>
>//Jyrki

Oh, yes of course. The rats were in cages. My point here wasn't that the
administration rates were anything special (although that is certainly
relevant in the other experiment I mentioned), but the relative harm that
the drug did. I know for a fact that humans have been connected to
unlimited self-administered doses of morphine (for pain relief), and their
responses have been much like the rats -- slowly increase to stability, and
then stay there for the long haul. I highly doubt any humans have been
connected to a similar setup for cocaine! :-)

But anyway, yes, you can be sure to subtract some amount for the fact that
"the rats were in cages and had nothing better to do." But does that really
matter? After all, 1) most rat experiments are done in cages ANYWAY, so
this is consistent with the existing paradigm, and 2) it's not so much the
ABSOLUTE administration thats interesting, but the RELATIVE administration.

I sincerely apologize in my not being able to come up with the references
I'm referring to here; that's what I get for burning my notebooks upon
graduation! :-)

(btw -- since CTP gets news 5 days late, it'll be Oct 6-7 before I see any
followups to this; I'm not ignoring you! :-))

--Erik

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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:18:53 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <derek.717775618@cs.wisc.edu> derek@lynx.cs.wisc.edu (Derek Zahn) writes:
>>    No.  Any first-semester organic chemistry student should be able to
>>tell you why.
>
>Well, I'm no chemist, but this singularly gruff and uninformative reply
>motivated me to go the library and page through organic chem texts.

    Good!  That is the exact motivation I wanted to provide.  Now you know
where to find answers.

  [quote from text on rxn. of alkyl halides with ammonia deleted]

>Now, perhaps you meant that I omitted the (trivial) treatment with alkali,
>or perhaps first year organic chem students know that this kind of
>fractionation is intractable when compared to the rest of the synthesis
>steps of frowned-upon psychadelic substances.  Doesn't look that bad
>to me.  The boiling points appear to be rather different...
>
>Because I am not a chemist and am interested in these issues only in
>a vague theoretical sense, please point out where I've gone astray
>so that I don't confuse others.

   The synthesis is lousy because of the low yield and fractionation
required.  On a lab scale, no one does this kind of reaction.  I guess a
more complete answer to your question would have been "yes, it can be done,
but not efficiently at all".

    I'm glad you went to the library to poke around - there's a saying in
chemistry that five minutes in the library can save you a week in the lab.
 


-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Smurfberries?
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:03:42 GMT
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated

In article <1992Oct4.072935.4428@u.washington.edu> ap.5160@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>I friend told me about some psychoactive substance he had recently
>ingested that was sold to him as 'smurfberries,' and was told was acid.
>The dosage he took was two purple squares, about 3/4in. square.  He was
[..]
>I've never heard of acid-spiked candy before, and I'm suscpicious of the
>whole story.  Does this sound likely?  Was it probably acid or
>some other hallucenogen, e.g. DOB?

Wow, now thats a great idea.  Which would you prefer? A largish
jaw-breaker type hard candy, where you dose by licks, or say someting
like bubble-gum, with the longer you chew.....

a 2 hour onset, and an 8 hour ride sounds an awfull lot like "L" on a
full stomach to me.

But, back to the candy bit...I'm sure its possible, the only problem
being that most candy recipes involves some seriously high temp heat
levels, and I understand L to be not to fond of heat. (I'm still working
on a mj/hash candy recipe, but not having much luck).  I suppose you
could paint a crystal-sugar type candy in it, or perhaps even make a
parafin-chocolate mix (parafin is often used in chocolate candies to
smooth it out and raise the meltdown temp).  Sure is allot less
suspicious than a sheet of very small "stamps" :-)

"ok sir, would you please open your bag for me?"

"sure mr. customs officer! All I have is some dirty underwear, and a bag
of mints!"

--gaspo.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "jim bachalo" <jim.bachalo@canrem.com>
Subject: smart drugs and nutrients
Reply-To: "jim bachalo" <jim.bachalo@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:45:19 EST

I AM INTERESTED IN GETTING FEEDBACK FOR ANYONE WHO IS EXPLORING THE USE
OF 'ENABLING DRUGS' FOR 'COGNITIVE ENHANCEMENT'
THESE MAY INCLUDE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING (OR A COMBINATION OF): PIRACETAM,
HYDERGINE, VASOPRESSIN, DEPRENYL, L-DOPA, AND NATURAL HERBS SUCH AS
GINGKO.
CONCERN HAS BEEN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF
COMBINING  MAO INHIBITORS (deprenyl?) with other substances Is this
true?
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