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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:26:17 -0400
From:         CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: phone answering machine

ROFL!!! About the possible 'answering machine messages' -- I like to use
short and sweet quotations from Bartlett's as a greeting; it makes a
smile for everyone who calls me at home, and I get nice messages and
compliments (we all try to fish for them, don't we? ;) ) -- and you're
correct of course, the ole "pls. lv. a msg tx! ga or sk" is so boring!

About the possibilities of a videophone answering machine: would it
be like playing back a videotape on my television?  Would one get
crank calls (er, will leave that for your imagination) and one would
know whether it's a man or woman who left a crank call message???? :)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:39:11 -0500
From:         "Mark J. Dessert" <11MDESSERT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sex wish (no, not *that* kind)

Gee, Seth,
        I'm glad my mom didn't meet you 38 years ago.  Regardless of who
I am today, I am me and I'm glad I am the me I became and not the me
that someone else wanted to make me into.  I think that parents are
endowed with too much in the "rights" arena.  For those of you who
disagree, just look back a few years into the early 1960's.  There were
no child abuse laws so if a two year old was brought to the emergency
room of a hospital with an arm that was fractured in three places, it
was set and he was sent home with no questions asked.  (Of course, I am
confining my remarks to the U.S.  I am not familiar with this topic in
other societies.)  The point I am trying to make is this:  Just being
parents does not automatically endow any person with infallible
judgement.  Any two people can consumate the act which results in a
child.  Yes, the parents are ultimately responsible for their children,
but that does not guarrantee that the decisions they make will be in the
best interests of their children.  All anyone can hope for is the best.
That is why organizations such as NAD provide the input that they do; to
aid parents in getting a broader perspective so they will be better
prepared to make these most difficult decisions.
        To get back to your question...I don't know what decisions my
mother might have made, but I am happy I am me.  I was accepted as I was
and that is important to me today.

                             Best regards,
                             Mark Dessert

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   =

           With each passing day, I learn the extent of my ignorance.

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From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: My bio...

Some blind folks refer to themselves as 'blinks'.  I don't think I've seen
them refer to 'seeies' but I'm not sure.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Harvard Education Review Article/BRIDGES

Thanks Steve for bringing this to the attention of the list.  I've never read
about this organization or agency.  Obviously am interested.  Will have to
go get and read it.  May comment more later.

Am very curious.  I know there are many out there who believe a hearing person
isn't as qualified to teach the deaf as a deaf person.  I answer that with the
same answer I once gave to a black women who told me I couldn't educate  a
black child as well as a black teacher - I DON'T BUY IT!


Cathy - teacher of children who are not doing anything special that I can
write here currently.  Some days they are sooooooooo average.  Don't you just
love it.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:12:29 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      RE: Cochlear Implant Musings.
              19 Nov 1992 00:07:38 -0600 from
              </PN=MARVIN.MILLER/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM>

About the comparison of implanting cochlear implants in deaf children
and comparing this to the Nazi 'final solution' for the Jewish people
(and by the way, also Aryan deaf and other disabled Aryan):

In a way, the Deaf culture has already undergone two decimations during the
last tens of years.  As a result, the percentage of multi-defective (medically
speaking) persons in the deaf population is higher than it was in the past:
1. Medicine advanced well enough to eliminate several cases of illness-induced
deafness (including mother's rubella(SP?)).
2. Perfection of the hearing aids.

The first reduced the incidence of hearing impairments in the general
population.  The second severed the Hard of Hearing from the Deaf culture.
Yet I saw no lamentings about those two developments in the DEAF-L postings.
Now cochlear implants will reduce further (but not totally eliminate) the
ranks of people whose only choice is the Deaf culture.  But there are other
relevant developments:
1. Speech recognition is expected to be reasonably priced in few years,
allowing also non-implantable deaf to have more contact with the hearing
population.
2. Sign language will re-merge with spoken language from which it was
(probably) divorced in the last century due to inability to transmit gestures
via the phone (why do you think Bell was so strong supporter for oralism?
so that hearing people will be able to communicate using voice alone and
hence use the phone!) - due to introduction and deployment of the videophone.
(You need only to look at Italians and Jews to realize that some time sign
language and spoken language could have been merged.)
                                                      --- Omer
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:01:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: phone answering machine

        Hello gang;


>From: CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET
>Subject:Re: phone answering machine

>ROFL!!! About the possible 'answering machine messages' -- I like to use
>short and sweet quotations from Bartlett's as a greeting; it makes a
>smile for everyone who calls me at home, and I get nice messages and
>compliments (we all try to fish for them, don't we? ;) ) -- and you're
>correct of course, the ole "pls. lv. a msg tx! ga or sk" is so boring!


        1st question:   What is ROFL?
        2nd question:   Got an example of "quotations from Bartlett"?
            (This is like; "leading a cow to water, then not letting
             him drink!")
        3rd question:   Where's your .sig?  I've seen many post from
                        you but don't know who you are....or have I
                        just missed it?


                                Steven Conlee
                                CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU

        ps... BTW, Mark Dessert!... I tried your address and my msg
        was returned.  Also, send me a copy pleeeeeeze.. Later.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:21:11 GMT
From:         Bosco Keown <keown@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cochlear Implant Musings.

Ref:  Marvin Miller's posting of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:19:37 -0600

>This applies to deaf children who has NO say in receiving the implants, not
> deaf adults who CHOOSE to have the implant. Thats like a Jewish person opting
>to be a catholic or a protestant, abandoning his/her own heritage.

Marvin, do you mean that if a deaf adult chooses to have a
cochlear implant, then it's like a Jewish person opting to become
a catholic or protestant? If that's what you are saying here, then I have
to disagree with your observation.

When a deaf adult decides to have a cochlear implant, that deaf
adult is 99 percent likely to see herself as being part of the hearing
culture already, and so a more accurate analogy would be that of a Jewish
person becoming a Rabbi in order to be a better Jew.

I am not saying that a deaf adult chooses to have a cochlear implant
in order to "become a hearing person". That is simply *not* the case.
People have cochlear implants for many reasons; the main reasons being to
experience sound and to integrate better with the hearing community
(remember, most deaf adults who opt for a CI are hearing people who
became deaf). Just as Deaf people are loath to abandon their culture,
so are some deafened people loath to abandon theirs simply because they
became deaf.

Bosco.

Bosco Keown,
CICS/6000 Development,         | VNET     : KEOWN at WINVMC
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd.,     | IBMIPNET : keown@harpo.hursley.ibm.com
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Winchester, England.           | BITNET   : KEOWN at VNET
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:29:24 GMT
From:         Bosco Keown <keown@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      deaf wish

>Would you be sickened by a Black family that wanted a Black child instead
>of a white child?  They want a child that fits "their own image and
>culture" - a culture which is as rich and as valid as any other.  Yet
>growing up Black in America is not without its struggles too.  A Black
>person faces discrimination, underemployment, etc., just as a Deaf person
>does.  Yet I doubt many Black families wish for a white baby.

No I wouldn't, because I simply don't think the analogy with racism is
a valid one. I just feel that to want to deny a a child one of the
most important senses is wrong. A black child in America may be
disadvantaged, but the parents cannot be faulted for wishing their
child to be black (the odds of a black couple having a white child
are extremely miniscule, so the analogy does not stand up to scrutiny
anyway).

The way I see it is that the Deaf couple are wishing for their child
to be deficient in hearing. Whether or not parents should wish for a
child to be deficient in a particular faculty is an *ethical* question.
It is as sensitive a topic to some as abortion is. And don't think I'm
just concentrating on the disadvantages deafness might bring to the
child -- there is a lot more to it than that. It's a question of whether
the Deaf couple can ethically justify their desire for a deaf baby.

Marvin Miller implies that the Deaf community is likely to reject
hearing children of Deaf adults, and in the very least, they tread a
fine line between acceptance and rejection. This strikes me as an
insular and insensitive attitude. If the Deaf community is ever going
to lose their fear of hearing people, they will have to adopt a more
open and trusting attitude than this.

BTW, the problems of Black people in America are mainly *sociological* rather
than ethical, and that's another reason why the analogy does not hold.

Bosco.

Bosco Keown,
CICS/6000 Development,         | VNET     : KEOWN at WINVMC
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:19:34 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Cochlear Implant Musings.

I'm sorry I disagree with the guy there, I believe being DEAF is a part of a
culture, a race, a ethnic group.  The deaf culture itself has alot of
characterisitics as a culture to be described as a culture or a race or a
ethnic group. The DEAF culture has its own language, customs just like any
other race or cultural group.  For example the Native Americans have their own
language, customs just like the Deaf culture does!!
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:13:53 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students

Adam-

Can you show me an example of doing that?  Like type
'finger'@gallua.gallaudet.edu    or what?

Thanks!

Michelle Muth
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:32:00 EST
From:         ALOOES1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students

can somebody help me?
     I'm going home for Thanksgiving break (by the way.... I hope everyone has
a really great Thanksgiving) and I want to stop my mail over the holiday so
my account isn't overloaded when I get back. Can somebody tell me how to do
it, I'm new to the list and therefore  I am still rather clueless at this point.
   I'd appreciate any help..

thanks
-andrea
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:32:36 PST
From:         Angelique N Wahlstedt <pepper@SHELL.PORTAL.COM>
Subject:      My bio...

Hiya....here's my bio:

NAME: Angeli Wahlstedt
HANDLE: Ms. Pepper
LOCATION: Ft. Collins, Colorado
OCCUPATION: Software developer for a small CD-ROM publishing company called
            Optical Publishing, Inc. I'm also the sysop of my BBS called
           "Crystal City" (303-224-5172 at V.32 bis, open 24 hours in case
           anyone is interested.)

EDUCATION: Bachelor's degree in computer science from Colorado State
           University in '89. (In case anyone's wondering, I *did* go
           to RIT for a few years but transferred to CSU for various
           reasons.)

DEAFNESS: I'm about 95% deaf -- I don't wear a hearing aid, flap my lips or
          read lips, but I do flap my hands, often in fluent Pigdin sign.
          :-)

HOW LONG: Since birth, from Usher's Syndrome (I'm also somewhat visually-
          impaired -- though I still can see well to read, I can't get a
          driving license and I have a nice collection of bruises on my
          legs from tripping over small objects.)

WHAT WOULD I DO IF I SUDDENLY BECAME A HEARIE: Go to a blues/jazz nightclub.

WHAT WOULD I DO IF I SUDDENLY BECAME A "SEEIE": Get driving lessons and buy
        myself a cool convertiable, maybe a Mazda Miata. :-)

WHAT WOULD I DO IF I WON THE LOTTERY: Move to a warm state, go back to college
        and study architecture, Japanese language and philosphy. (Oh, and
        buy some of the coolest computers around and a convertible for my
        boyfriend to drive me around in, too. ;-)

FAVORITE DRINK: Definitely Dr. Pepper (burp!)

FAVORITE FOODS: Indian foods, Greek foods, French fries (MacDonald's is the
        best), Mexican tamales and proscuitto ham

FAVORITE MOVIE: Thelma and Louise

HOBBIES: Sleeping, reading, going to good restaurants, cuddling with my
        boyfriend, designing buildings, et cetera.... (oh, and of course,
        computers! :-)

Whew...sorry this is a bit long, but that oughta give ya an idea of what
kind of person-being I am. :-)

Pepperfully yours,
     Angeli
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From:         "Keith Watt - Gallaudet Dept. of Education"
              <11CWATT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students

>Adam is right.  I forgot that Gallaudet has a few different nodes.
>
>Here are some that I am aware of:
>
>Gallua
>
>Gallux
>
>Galluj
>
>Gallut


Mail addressed to GALLUA will reach any node, however.

There are two forms of address:

<username>@gallua.bitnet   or   <username>@gallua.gallaudet.edu

the gallua.bitnet address will work 90% of the time, although I do have one
email contact who has to use gallaudet.edu form.  Because BITNET and
INTERNET are linked, it rarely matters however.

Usernames:  you can usually guess, but there are some problems.  Here's the
formats:

faculty/staff:  first two initials and last name (ex. CKWATT)
students:       number sequence, first initial, and last name.

The "number sequence" is where it gets tricky.  The first person assigned
an account with a particular first initial/last name will be 11.  the next
will be 12, 13, 14, and so on then 21, 22, 23, etc.  So if your name is
Smith, the number may be quite high (I know a 22DSMITH).

Does that help any?

Keith

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Keith Watt                              |
Gallaudet University                    | "Exit, pursued by a bear."
Department of Education                 |     Stage direction in Shakespeare's
                                        |     _The Winter's Tale_ (1611)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:25:49 MST
From:         ISTCJV@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      Info on grant

In November's issue of Silent News I read an article that said
Kansas University had received a grant to train 16 students as
sign language interpreters. Does anyone on this list have any additional
information on this grant, or maybe an address or telephone number so
I can contact the university directly.

CONNIE JO
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:04:29 -0400
From:         CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Russian deaf/hoh penpals

Some Russian University students who are deaf and hard of hearing are
interested in finding American students (who are deaf and hard of hearing)
to write to.  If you are interested, please contact Allene Goforth
at Compuserve, her address is 71302.1075@compuserve.com.  (Mail it to
"71302.1075@compuserve.com" and remember the comma has been changed to a
period!)

These Russians are learning to be teachers of the deaf, school psychologists,
etc.  They're mostly in Moscow.

Thanks!
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From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: 60 Minutes, Angels and Outcasts, etc
              16 Nov 92 15:27:43 -0600. <9211162157.AA08682@Athena.MIT.EDU>

>Sorry, Adam, but the family IS significant in how well a CI works for a child
>or adult.  This is assuming that the physiology is appropriate.  The signifi-
>cance of the family comes into play after surgery.  Just implanting the device
>and turning on a processor is nothing.  There are many long hours of training
>to endure afterwards and it's a very rare child or adult who would manage
>without support and encouragement from those around him or her.

You are correct Judy. But it assumes the physiology is appropriate, which
is based on the child, not the family.

Adam
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From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students
              20 Nov 92 11:27:08 -0700. <9211201830.AA22227@Athena.MIT.EDU>

here is an example...

Try 'finger <name>@gallux.gallaudet.edu'

where <name> is the last name of the person you are trying to contact.

It should give you a list of people with last names like the one you gave.

BTW, I did a finger on 'smith@gallux.gallaudet.edu' and got only ONE
person!! A shortage of Smith's?

Adam Skwersky
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From:         Cynthia Clark <cclark@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US>
Subject:      What's happening ?

DEAF READERS,

What's new ????

Cynthia
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From:         Shannon Collins <sdcollins%pstcc.dnet@NET.VANDERBILT.EDU>
Subject:      English as a Second Language

Hello, my name is Shannon Collins and I am new to the Deaf-L list.  I have
attempted to interact with the list before, but no luck :-(.  If this
attempt makes it through, please respond.

Thanks very much,
Shannon Collins
Knoxville, Tennessee
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From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: I guess it depends on one's parents!
              21 Nov 92 05:01:53 -0500. <9211211004.AA07731@Athena.MIT.EDU>

Seth,

I just read your story about Beth and Anne. That truly sucks. It would
have been nice to have more deaf people here!

In my case, I was born hearing, and got into a nice private school which
had grades K-12. My hearing loss did not become apparent until around grade
2, at which time my parents purchased hearing aids for me. I stayed to graduate
cum laude, was one of the graduation speakers, president of the computer club,
varsity baseball/swimming...etc... I owe all this success to three things.
One was a strong family and a few good friends supporting me. The second was
a strong faculty at the school, most of whom became very good friends with me.
The third was a dream to get into MIT. All those  three combined were what
got me into MIT.

Well, thats my story.

But it goes on...now that I am at MIT, i find the teachers harder to access.
I cant become good friends with the teachers as I could before.
The classes are larger, and at the university level, it is hard to become
known to your professors.

Adam Skwersky
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:04:00 EST
From:         ALOOES1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Adler..

bryce writes:
   laura writes:
>Hi Allison ..... etc........
   in response to sending e-mail directly......

   anyway the correct way to send e-mail depends on the system but try
      IN%"PS308LEC@Ithaca.bitnet"
     that should work.......

 Hope I could help!!!!!  =)
-andrea (alooes1@ithaca)
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