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dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu wrote:
>    I just got a Syquest 44 removable HD for Xmas and I am running into a
> curiosity.  When the drive gets up to speed and I turn on the ST, it boots to
> floppy, but from then if I reset it, it boots from the 44! 

Your Syquest drive seems to be configured to send a UNIT ATTENTION message
after power-on. This collides with the first read request issued by TOS.
You might need to reconfigure your drive with some tool; maybe the
BOOTFIX program on your ICD disk already supports the Syquest drives.
If not, you should call ICD.

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From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 01:17:04 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

> 
>I know that it will cost me over $140 to upgrade to TOS 2.06 in ROM..
> 
>OS/2 is available *NOW* from IBM, on CD-ROM, for  $15.00
> 
>(Quick.. somebody get David P-Z a glass of water before he chokes..)

Yes it's true. However, that $15.00 version of OS/2 is a non-registered
beta version which is only liscensed until January 3, 1993. You wouldn't
want to have a pirated OS would you?

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From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Porky pig.
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:49:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan11.021216.13462@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>My thoughts to that point (thinking more generally) are that MOST people don't
>NEED to program in GNU C++.  This places a hard-drive back into the nice-but-
>still-a-luxury catagory.  Sorry, it's still $$ (and a maybe a smattering of
>nostalgia) that holds me out of the clone-realm.  I'll probably cross the
>threshhold some time after a hard-drive for this ST costs more than a complete
>clone system.  And that's not likely to happen soon.

I suppose the *computer* is still in a nice-but-still-a-luxury
category, eh?  Pencil and paper works JUST FINE, provided you're
willing to wait.  Such reactionary arugments are ridiculous.  We're not
talking about cutting edge stuff here; hard drives have ben standard
for years now.

>I believe someone said something about that being a beta copy, or unliscenced
>or something.  Of course pirating is not so unfamiliar to many clone users.

Frankly, your generalizations only make it obvious that you'll find any
excuse to criticize people who own clones or (gasp) just like them.  I
KNOW how cheap ST people are from painful personal experience, so don't
talk to me about piracy, not paying for shareware, etc.  YOU are part
of the reason the ST market sucks so much I have to leave it
completely.  YOU are the one who says, "I can't pay $50 for OS
software."  PC people pay for software in enough numbers that they
support massive development efforts.  Both good and bad software comes
out of these, but the market is certainly strong.

>Anywho, it sounds like you're on the right track.  Buy what you need.
>Use will-power.  Buy only what you need.  The clone-realm is prone to
>draw a man to gadget hell.  Look at them, look at what Atari can do,
>look at what MAC can do.

Atari's simply aren't competetive anymore.  Face it, if you bought a
new machine, would it be an ST?  If so, then you really are deluded
beyond all hope.  Apple's soon not going to even HAVE a 68000 machine
in their line -- they're just too darn slow by today's standards.

Dave Baggett
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From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:51:59 GMT
Organization: ASTRAsoft, Stoke-On-Trent England.

Come on! If someone comes on this board asking for advice and for us to tell him
about the new Atari and why he should buy it in preference to any other computer
then I suspect he'd like to know what company he's keeping in the ST world...

From the sound of some of the comments I'd be inclined to think it was a small
group of fanatics who would not like to see MORE users.

Please don't flame, just think about it.

David.

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From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MA dealers (was Re: Falcon Price Quotes?)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:01:49 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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 There's also The Computer Zone in North Attleboro just up rt.1 from
the Emerald Square Mall. Very nice place.

Marshall
mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:51:41 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In article <C0r8Ew.Cyx@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett) writes:
>Game writers have no choice but to search through the OS for tricks to
>use.

They don't *have* to be so lazy.  The information is out there; you
just have to look a bit.  I'm not saying game programmers suck, or STOS
sucks either.  I'm just saying that all the things that don't work on
STe's, TT's, Falcon's, etc., COULD have been written to work fine ahead
of time without impacting the speed.  I know because I've been part of
a project that's very much along those lines.  And yes, it was more work,
but it was time well-spent, IMHO.

>Developers are the most important resource a hardware vendor has and
>Atari has shown their developers absoultely no respect.  No wonder
>Atari's programming 'rules' are being broken by programmer.

I'm not going to disagree with that at all.  Atari made mistakes
regarding their dissemination of information to developers.  But
the situation is not so bad that you're forced to break the rules.

Dave Baggett
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From: heritier@delta4.frec.bull.fr (Franck HERITIER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Question : ___ M-ROS ___
Keywords: M-ROS
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:34:02 GMT
Reply-To: heritier@delta4.frec.bull.fr (Franck HERITIER)

Does someone know what is M-ROS for Atari ST ? What is the editor
of this multitask system ? Can you evaluate it ?

Thanks.

Frank.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Editor???
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:14:40 GMT

In article 20499@fwi.uva.nl, storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89)) writes:
>I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
>It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
>knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
>will appreciate your help greatly.`

Not that 1st Word is a good editor (echhh) but can't you do a "SAVE AS" (ASCII)
with it?  I no longer own First Word but I thought sure you could.

For a commercial editor, I still like Tempus.  There are good PD ones, as well,
but I'll let someone else comment on those.
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From: glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glen Deardorff GDP)
Subject: Re: STalker vs Uniterm?
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:19:26 GMT

I have had some experience with both, although I may have an outdated version of Uniterm.  So forgive me if some of these STalker features are also now available on Uniterm.  STalker has a scrollable window, which is a feature I miss a lot in my Uniterm.  You can set the font to 8x16 which I think will give you your 49 lines (never counted them though).  You can set up a whole list of numbers and set up the terminal characteristics, and auto-login sequence for each, and have STalker dial each in turn if yo

u want.  And have it keep track of how much you're paying for your online time.  

You can cut and paste right on the STalker window - another Uniterm non-feature I miss.

The nicest thing for me is that is interacts with STeno, so that you can can cut and paste between the two with ease, or use STeno as a capture buffer for STalker, or display them next to each other, etc.  Plus both STalker and STeno are desk accessories.

The bad thing is that for some reason STalker stopped working for me.  I upgraded my ST to 4 Megs, and it continued to work for some time, but now the modem exhibits a delay of over half a minute with every command I send it or send through it to the remote computer.  I reloaded the original software onto my hard disk but this didn't help.  Uniterm continues to behave as expected, so I just use that now in my laziness (er... lack of time) to find the source of the STalker problem.

But I'm sure that problem is specific to me.  It was working fine for me for over 2 years. I'd still recommend paying money to get STalker's features.

- Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Ben Gilbert)
Subject: ADVOCACY: Re: a blurb
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:19:02 GMT

In article <1itkq7INNb1l@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.205852.13486@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>Second of all, I'll ask you not to be my finance advisor.  I'm a
>>quite-typical college student with no spare money.
>
>Again: don't buy the Ferrari if you can't buy the wiper blades.  So
>you've overinvested in your hardware and now you can't buy any
>software.  Is there any other way to slice it?  BTW, you're not saying
>anything unfamiliar to an Atari developer when you talk about not
>having money.

Overinvested in hardware, Dave?  I hardly think this holds for most current
owners of ST/STe machines.  Four years ago I bought my 520STFM for less than
$400.  What kind of MS-DOS clone could I have gotten for $400?

I will of course agree that the price/performance ratio has been lost by
Atari lately, when it comes to comparisons with MS-DOS machines, but I don't
think it's an utter waste of money to buy Atari computers -- there are still
plenty of things you can do very well with them, and the software just
keeps getting better.  If you need me to enumerate those I'd be happy to,
but anyone who's been keeping up with Atari software lately knows there are
some very good products out there.

Would I like to have better graphics and a faster computer?  Of course, anyone
would.  That's the main reason I'm going to get a Falcon030 -- it represents a
newer, better version of a computer I've used for years.  Contrary to what
Dave has been saying, I don't think the Atari OS is seriously "flawed" or
unworkable for programmers/developers.  I would agree that Atari should
get their act together as far as marketing/support goes, but to me this isn't
the primary reason why I buy a computer.  I know how to use a lot of
different systems (MS-DOS, UNIX, Mac, etc.) and the one I like the most is
still my Atari.  We've been through all this before -- if you know what 
your computer can and can't do, and you're satisfied with that, then that's
great.  For me, the Falcon030 represents a viable choice for my next
computer, and I have no plans on switching to anything else (well, except 
maybe a TT  :-).

>
>Dave Baggett
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Regards,

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From: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: KnifeST
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:09:13 GMT
Reply-To: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1i96npINN1lo@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <2648@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans) writes:
>>e.g.  FSCK by Georg Lohse and DLII and REORG by Simon Poole, and more recently
>>CLEANUP by ICD and some tools I developed myself.
>
>Never ever use these prpgrams to fix hard disk problems,( FSCK-DLII/REORG) they
>have more bugs that Bugs have..
>
	I HAVE been using these quite satisfactorily for my old SH-205
(20 Mbyte) Atari Hard Disk. These programs were developed round about the
time that (SH-205) hard disk was the current (Atari) model and have NOT been
upgraded to keep up with developments in later TOS'es and Hard Disks. I
certainly would not use these on my recent ICD hard drive.

	Hence it is no wonder that you might find them "buggy" if you have a
recent hard disk - but it is unfair to the original authors to call these
"incompatibilities with more recent software/hardware" bugs. Mind you, having
made this point, I'm sure these (like most others) do have a few bugs but
these are NOT so frequently encountered as to render these programs unduly
dangerous or ineffective when used with the "earlier" drives for which they
were designed.

>CleanUp it nothing like KnifeST and I found that it failed with a hard disk
>problem, that Ataries CHKDSK3 showed up, cross link clusters..???
>
	Both are disk repair utilities - though I agree they're not quite the
same. CLEANUP, though hardly perfect, is, in my opinion, far more up-to-date
than KnifeST ver 1.10. By the way, where can one get this CHKDSK3 program
that more than one of you rave about?
>
>BGM Partitions, I think Atari took to long in bringing out a standard,
>is it one,? and most other hard drive firms ended up developing there own..
>
	As I understand things, BGM Partitions are Partitions where the
logical sector size is other than 512 bytes ( usually 1024, 2048 or 4096
bytes). This allows you to have partitions of much greater size than 16 Mbytes
(or 32 Mbytes on TOS 1.4 and above). I first met the term in my ICD manual
when I obtained my hard disk. Since you appear to have ICD's CLEANUP, I'm
surprised you are not familiar with the term. Provided programs "look up"
the logical sector size from the Bios Parameter Block, i.e. NOT assume it
is 512, they should handle BGM Partitions quite satisfactorily. I'm sorry
to say that, despite a claim by Hisoft to have corrected errors in dealing
with Partitions of greater logical sector size than 512, I got erroneous
statistics when I used KnifeST (1.10) to query my BGM partition (F:\) where
the logical sector size was 1048 and size about 40 Mbytes though the same
option worked fine on the other (non BGM) partitions.
>
>Does any one support BGM Partitions..??
>
	Yes, ICD for one.

					Regards,	W. Alan B. Evans
							[ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:07:31 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In article <1993Jan9.211529.28668@news.th-darmstadt.de> wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:
>In article <H.ea.o3KuEmskWp2@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca writes:
>>I'd like to hear some arguments convincing me to stay with a sinking
>>ship, Atari.
>Why doncha buy a nice Mac and **** off ? If you need convincing the Atari
>is wrong for you.

Well there goes the "nice supportive user base" argument.

Dave Baggett
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From: churchm@gov.on.ca (Mike Churchward)
Subject: Re: MiNT and MINIX file system
Keywords: MINIX, MiNT, file, system
Organization: Government of Ontario
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:09:20 GMT


>You wouldn't be using TOS 1.0 would you ?
>
>There is a problem with 1.0 that I can't find. (Not having an ST
>with TOS 1.0 doesn't help :-)
>
>If you're *not* using TOS 1.0, then mail me with *exactly* what you
>did, and I'll try and tell you where you've gone wrong, or I'll fix
>the bug.
>
>I have had sucesses with this (I'm not the only one to get it to
>work :-)
>
>Simon.


Simon:

I'm pretty sure I'm not running TOS 1.0; the machine is a MEGA STE, with
4 meg of RAM, and a 50 meg hard drive partitioned into C: and D:, and
is only a year old.  I'll verify it when I'm back near the machine.

In the meantime, this is what I did.

Un-ZOO'd DISK1.ZOO to a floppy, and used it as the install disk.  On
that disk was a program called SETUP, and a program called INSTALL.  I
ran SETUP, using D: as the root, and A: as the install drive.  I saved
the configuration.  SETUP renamed my ACC's and my \AUTO\*.PRG's, and
then moved MINT.PRG to the AUTO folder, and moved MINIX.XFS, and
MINT.CNF, and three other CNX'x to the MINT folder.  SETUP then
requested me to RESET (Reboot?).

Rebooted the computer.  MINT runs.  MINIX runs.  When MINIX runs, and I
get the MINIX initial message, the floppy drive light comes on.  When
the system finishes booting, the floppy disk is no longer readable.  In
fact, accessing the floppy drive hangs the system.  This is where I
believe that the floppy has been turned into a MINIX partition.  If I
write-protect the floppy, it remains readable, but the light still comes
on when MINIX runs.  It doesn't appear that anything has been done to
D:.  I believe it is still a TOS partition.

Any of this look wrong?

Regards,

Mike.

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From: rossin@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ted Rossin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:51:33 GMT
Subject: TOS 2.06 +$1 works in 1040ST
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: alberto@cs.umd.edu (Jose Alberto Fernandez R)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: VIPGEM 1.0 to anything else
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:52:28 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Maryland Computer Sc.


Hi, I was the one who posted a message about how to get data files out
of the spreadsheet program VIPGEM and into some PC.

Nobody has answer. So I wil try to refrase the question.

Mi friend uses VIPGEM 1.0 (1986). He has lots of files in this format
and now is planning to move on. Here are my questions:

	1) Is there any program in the atari able to read file from
this version of VIPGEM and put it in some more contemporary piece of
software?

	2) The final end is to transfer this file to the IBMPC [:-(]
environment at his office. Do you know of any spreadshit program that
has compatible versions for both environments ATARI and IMBPC.

	3) Is there any chain of software that would make it possible
to transfer software from VIPGEM 1.0 to one of these double
environment programs? 

Partial answers are appreciated. Please respond by e-mail and I will
summarize. Please let me know if you have any idea or hint in how to
accomplish this. Beleve it or not you could be one of a very small
group that knkows how to do it.

BTW, if you ever were able to upgrade out of VIPGEM into something
else, I would also like to hear from you.

Thanks in advance.

	Jose Alberto.
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcons suck!
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:49:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith) writes:

>Original to: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de
>In a message of <24 Dec 92 11:39:53>, martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de
>(3:713/602) writes:

> >> The A500 has a 75% 6-month mortality rate.
> >> 
> >> Sorry.  I don't buy suicidal computers.
> m> 
> m> Suicidal? I thought they die in terrible agony :-)

>Yes they do, when I and my trusty chainsaw get to them... but I generally
>can't be bothered travelling all that distance for such short gratification.

My A500 just got up and walked off a cliff one day.  
Just before it hit the bottom it looked up and squeeked "Let's go"
Saddest sight I ever saw... :-(

	Mark

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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:25:54 GMT
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From: bcc@lanai.Eyring.COM (Brian Cooper)
Subject: Gauntlet disk failure
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:48:59 GMT

My son is upset because the game "Gauntlet" no longer boots from the floppy.
The disk has become peanut-buttered, or just plain worn out.  Can anyone
tell me if the company that made it is still around, or would be able to
replace it for me?  

(By the way, many complements to the makers of Dungeon Master; when this
same thing happened to my DM disk, they sent me a replacement disk for
a reasonable fee and everybody was happy.)
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From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:55:12 GMT


Gee, and I thought he did Gemulator to make money :-)


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From: oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: what is the freenet TELNET NUMBER ?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:13:47 GMT

 Could some one please tell me the cleveland freenet telnet number, i lost my copy.
e mail oyakea@rpi.edu

 thanx