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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Astroturf
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:05:55 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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	I can heartily recommend it for hockey (field hockey to our
American chums), but as for football, forget it. People sometimes
wonder why gridiron players wear head-to-toe protection....I'm sure it's
the astroturf, not the opposition!

		Conor
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: glorious gunners
Organization: Wits University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:39:54 RSA

In article <1992Nov9.232040.5865@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
jwm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (J.W. McCree) writes:
 
>
>thank you spurs for putting us on top
>(if only briefly)
>looks like you might stay up after all
>may i recommend becky as your next manager
 
Thank you Oldham for losing to Norwich. That puts Norwich back ontop !!
 
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Totto Dahlum/Man.Utd
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 18:27:30 RSA

In article <27263@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
envsxj@epb9.lbl.gov (Sigurd Jenssen) writes:
 
>I heard some rumors about Thor-Andre "Totto" Dahlum trying out for Man. United.
>Is this correct? Does anybody know how he is doing?
 
Yes, United is looking at him to play up front with Hughes to stop the goal
drought. No news as to they will take him on.
 
>You guys can't be serious 'bout Ferguson playing his son instead of Webb? Whats
>wrong with him?
 
We are very serious, its Alex Fergusson who is not. I think the guy's brain
is gone soft since last Christmas when he celebrated his birthday and United
began to slide down.
 
His son not only looks like a lager lout, but he plays like one as well.
Neil Webb does not look like he his going to back in the team since a
fallout with the manager. In the meantime, daddy gets to play his little
lad. I hope the United board are watching. Something very suspicious
going on in Mancunian Land.
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Alex "shit-4-brains" Ferguson
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:48:15 GMT

tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel) writes:

>matchwinner like Webb is in the reserves. Meanwhile, Brian McCrap is always
>in the team no matter how badly he plays.

What is it with Utd fans and Brian McClair? I'm by no means a fan of Utd,
(and not really McClair after the derby match a couple of years ago) but it
seems that he comes in for an awful lot of stick, which to me is
unjustified. He's a hard worker, and has consistently scored twenty goals a
season since going to Old Trafford. Doesn't that count for something? Or is
it just that Utd supporters can't spot a good player when he's right in
front of their noses :-) :-). Pity he can't do it in a dark blue jersey
though....

Cheers,
	
	Sean B
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From: reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95)
Subject: Re: Appalling performance
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:13:17 GMT

In article <92310.101512SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET> Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
>Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 10:15:12 CET
>From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
>Subject:    Appalling performance

>I witnessed last night possibly the worst performance by an English
>team ever in Europe. Poor old Bill Shankly would be turning in his
>grave if he could witness donkeys like Burrows and Marsh playing
>for HIS BELOVED. Players like these would surely have never graced
>Anfield during the glory years.
>Having 3 players sent off in 4 European games and a manager banned
>for 5 games since Souness took over is obviously not a coincidence.
>He must go now, if he had the balls, he'd resign.

As a true Liverpool supporter, I completely agree.
The foundations of Liverpool's success in Europe have always been
built on disciplined performances.
3 sending-offs in four games is appalling(not to mention the reaction
of Souness!).
Sadly, Souness doesn't even know what discipline is.
With so many young players currently in the team, Souness needed to
set an example. I dare say his ways of doing this is rather pathetic.
Souness must now resign. In the short period of time he has been  boss at
Anfield, he has only brought humiliation to Liverpool and 
their faithful supporters. 

TRYGVE SVENDSEN
NORWAY
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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: Liverpool back to normal
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.144216.24164@maths.tcd.ie>, madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark
Taylor) wrote:
>> 
> 
> Enough raving on. Sorry if I bore you, but I must remind you that
> Liverpool is indeed the best club in the world, and will be
> winning the FA cup and League this year. Just wait until we
> knock the wind out of Blackburn's sails when they come to
> Anfield !!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
 Mark, I am as fanatical as they come when it comes to LFC and agree with
all of your comments up to the above point. Even I must agree with alot of
the comments made on the net about Liverpool this season, and believe that
your prediction of an LFC double this year are pure fantasy. Right now, the
biggest concern is not to repeat Man Utd's and Leeds' one season disasters
that resulted in relegation (God knows I never thought I would see the day
when I would be saying this!!), and in Leeds' case took many years to
recover.

On the bright side though, I suppose the last time we were relegated we
signed Shanks as manager, perhaps we can dream of a second coming ;-), but
a double this year ? Not a hope.    

As for Blackburn, do not underestimate the wiliest Scot of them all, King
Kenny would love nothing more than to take his club back to Anfield and
administer a good hammering. On present form I would unfortunately not bet
against him being able to do it

...Richard

Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: VILLA vs Man utd (bigmouth strikes again!)
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:48:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


> am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
>>
>>This weekend Manchester United is playing Aston Villa away.  Does anyone
>>know what the odds are that Manchester United will win?
>  
> I dont know about the odd but United will win, believe it or not !!
>  
  Manager Fergie & player Fergie on one side, manager Atkinson & player
Atkinson on the other. For one team the boss gets the manager of the month
award for October before kick-off & his namesake scores the winning goal,
the 2 for the other side are HOPELESS JOKES, the player eventually getting
substituted after doing F**K ALL.
 
  What happened?  VILLA 1            MAN-u-SHITED 0
                  Atkinson 11 mins 
                  att: 39,000
  Utd were well stuffed & were lucky to only lose by 1 goal. 

  Didn't leave your name pal! Oh dear, do you feel a loser NOW ?!!!! 
Keep up the good work FERGIE. He's not such a bad bloke is he ? HA HA HA!!!!!
                      ^^^^^^
  Jim "SMUG" Halsey
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From: sequeira@eagle.sangamon.edu (Deryl Sequeira)
Subject: NEWS ABOUT LINEKER
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:33:50 GMT

JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS ANY IDEA OF HOW 
LINEKER (GREATEST SCORER WHO EVER LIVED!!!!) IS DOING
IN THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN I.E. JAPAN????

THANX,

DERYL

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From: gunnarr@ifi.uio.no (Gunnar R|nning)
Subject: Ferguson (Was Totto Dahlum/Man.Utd)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:12:21 GMT
Originator: gunnarr@hadd.ifi.uio.no


In article <168991039B.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
> We are very serious, its Alex Fergusson who is not. I think the guy's brain
> is gone soft since last Christmas when he celebrated his birthday and United
> began to slide down.
>  
> His son not only looks like a lager lout, but he plays like one as well.
> Neil Webb does not look like he his going to back in the team since a
> fallout with the manager. In the meantime, daddy gets to play his little
> lad. I hope the United board are watching. Something very suspicious
> going on in Mancunian Land.
>  

You can't blame Darren Ferguson for United's bad games.
I've only seen him in a couple of matches,but he looks quite
talented...
United are lucky to have him in the squad ;-D

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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Racism (was Re: Everton in danger!!!)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 03:03:33 -0600
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> In <16895C785.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
> > 
> >I hope they remain there and get relegated to the first division, damn
> >racist team !!
> > 
> Alright, enough is enough...I've already had this argument before, and its
> getting very irritating...
> I have never heard
> of any player complaining about the crowds at Goodison Park being rascist.  

Buy yourself a copy of the book on John Barnes "Out of his skin". During Barnes'
first Merseyside derby he was greeted with chants of "Everton are white" by the
Goodison Park faithful.

Liverpool supporters were long accused of being racist, right up to Barnes' arrival
in 1987 (even though a local black player Howard Gayle had played in the first
team in the early 80's). It would seem that the situation has (thankfully) 
improved with the arrival of Barnes and later Walters and Thomas.

BTW, Liverpool has a considerable black population, much of which dates back to the
days when Liverpool was a major slave trading port when slavery was legal in Great 
Britain.


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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: About comments on Liverpool
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:16:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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-> >I am really appalled at the "language" used when you guys comment on Liverpool.
-> Its the language most Liverpool fans know. Not yourself of course.
-> You got a good control of the English langauge.

Beware of grammar flames!  Count the errors in the flame!
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: England, Italy and Rangers
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:00:19 GMT

--

|>> and their fans seem to think they're from Northern Ireland,
|>
|>Just like all Celtic fans think they're from the Republic of Ireland?

No they think they're from Northern Ireland too but from the other side
of the sectarian divide.  :-)


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Asian Cup Results
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:21:17 GMT


The '3 Nov' results have been added to the complete list below:


Group A
-=-=-=-
30 Oct	N Korea   0-2   Iran
30 Oct  Japan     0-0   UAE

01 Nov	UAE       0-0   Iran
01 Nov  Japan     1-1   N Korea

03 Nov	UAE       2-1   N Korea
03 Nov  Japan     1-0   Iran

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Japan		3 1 2 0  2  1  4
UAE		3 1 2 0  2  1  4
Iran		3 1 1 1  2  1  3
N Korea		3 0 1 2  2  5  1

Japan and UAE end up with identical points and goals.
Japan placed first after drawing lots.

Group B
-=-=-=-
29 Oct 	S Arabia   1-1   China
29 Oct	Qatar      1-1   Thailand

31 Oct	China      0-0   Thailand
31 Oct	S Arabia   1-1   Qatar

02 Nov	S Arabia   4-0   Thailand
02 Nov	China      2-1   Qatar

		P W D L  F  A Pts
S Arabia	3 1 2 0  6  2  4
China		3 1 2 0  3  2  4
Qatar		3 0 2 1  3  4  2
Thailand	3 0 2 1  1  5  2


Semi-Finals
06 Nov    Japan - China
          Saudi Arabia - UAE

08 Nov    F I N A L


Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~
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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Euro-teams summary?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:41:24 GMT


Hello!

I've read all those Euro-cup-lists, about UEFA-points for countries.
I wonder if someone has a statistical list of the 100 (1000?) best club-
teams in Europe? A time ago I read that a German newspaper did publish
such a list, with AS Roma on the first spot...

Can anyone post something like that? Or a list with all teams that have
ever participated in the Euro-cups with their games and points mentioned?
I wonder who's first then! Real? Benfica? Milan? Ajax? Liverpool? Bayern?
Barcelona? 

Greetings!


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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in USA 94
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:37:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 >...FIFA seriously considering pulling the World Cup from the US

Tommy, come on now, where do you get this stuff? The issues of turf
vs grass, field size have all been settled. The US may have screwed
up in not getting a pro league established, but USA '94 will be
heavily attended (including Canadian fans <g>). My concern is that
-- like the circus -- there won't be much substance left after it is
over.

Chris

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Amateur Productions
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:11:41 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

From the Daily Record, 5/11/92:

"$750,000 - THE PRICE OF DEFEAT"

Celtic have missed out on a $750,000 Euro jackpot. Chairman Kevin Kelly last
night revealed that TV rights alone for a glamour UEFA third round tie at
Parkhead would have brought in close on $500,000. And you can add to that
advertising and receipts from a 36,000 sell-out. Kelly groaned: `We could
have sold 50,000 seats against Dortmund which would have helped the cash
situation. Domestic matches keep the wolf from the door for most clubs, with
a run in Europe really providing the cream. The difference between us and
Dortmund was Stephane Chapuisat. Teams in Scotland simply can't go out and
buy a player of his quality.'"

One really doesn't know where to start with this nonsense. I suppose the most
startling one is the `We could have sold 50,000 seats' statement. I thought
Celtic's problem was actually finding 50,000 seats by 1994 let alone selling
them. What about the `Teams in Scotland simply can't go out and buy a player
of his quality'. Don't tell Kelly, but the holder of the Golden Boot plays
for Rangers, a team who are in the last eight of the European Cup this season
and can afford to buy players in the three million bracket, like Trevor
Steven.

-- 
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From: mmuller@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Mark Timothy Muller)
Subject: Re: Soccer in U.S.
Summary: strength to come from youth growing up.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: mmuller@ics.uci.edu (Mark Muller)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:59:00 GMT

In article <kDF1TB5w165w@netlink.cts.com> jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold) writes:
>rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell ) writes:
>>
>> Watch advertizing closely in the next few years.  The large corporations
>> here that are supposedly so greedy and yet ignorant of the sports
>> potential are indeed greedy but are far from ignorant.  Soccer is
>> appearing more and more in marketing efforts, especially those aimed at youth

	Coke-cola is very strong here.

>>
>> Consider the number, the growing number, of public high schools that are
>> having trouble fielding an american football team because the boys would
>> rather be playing youth/civic league soccer.  School districts all over
Havn't seen this yet in southern california, but it's nice to hear!

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Having seen a lot of AYSO games in the last few years, Im not sure that
>most players arent just waiting till there older at which time they play
>football. THe coaching and officating is all too often controlled by the
>gridiron types, who dont give a damn about soccer. Hope things are
>different in Seattle.

These people who are destroying the game in this country, are (i think)
usually well-intentioned persons who are in an authority position and
don't know a damn about the sport.  So, they go and try to change it
to be like the sports that they grew up with (usu american football and
baseball).  This causes the 'american influence' on the sport which
is being very destructive to the sport, as evidenced highly in the college
and especially high school leagues.  This will continue until persons
(like myself) who grew up with the sport are old enough and have influence
and position to remove this influence and understand the sport as it
should be.
In regards to AYSO, i work a great deal with this organization, and am
beginning to make influence as part of the board to set our region
in a good direction.  But remember, AYSO depends on parental volunteers
to survive (as a non-profit org.).  These parents usu know nothing or
little when they begin, it is up to us to instruct these parents to
make good coaches, referees, etc.. who can successfully make the program
work.  It is at this level where the players will, 10-20 years down the road,
these people will be in their 20's and 30's and beginning to make a
difference.
	We just have to wait, attempting to shove this down the throats
of americans who not so long ago (and maybe still) call soccer a communist
sport will only create a backlash for the corporation in a fear of
sponsorship.

Mark.

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From: 098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov (098802)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: I scouse, You scouse, We scouse ...
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpdp2.6NOV199216264309
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Please excuse those of us across the pond who are uninitiated. Usually, when I
read this group, I can interpolate the meaning of those insular expressions not
extant in common speech. However, I must confess, the term "scouser" confuses
me. If there exists a word "scouser", I assume there must be a verb "to
scouse". Is it transitive, as in "Denise scouses Scott", intransitive (Denise
was scoused by Souness' promiscuous defecations). Is it pejorative (Your
mother's a slithering scouser) or endearing (My dear, I can't tell you how
scousing you look in the moonlight)? How is it pronounced? Does it
rhyme with cows, or moos. This is important because I wish my forthcoming 
Doggerel to Denise to be appealing to the ear. However, my magnum opus must
remain unfinished unless I know the etomology, or at least the meaning of this
interesting applation. Please inform!

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From: mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: EC1 "Champions League" draw.
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:26:21 GMT
Reply-To: mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


 Rival game in Turkey ended with the victory of Fenerbahce over Galatasaray
1-0. Aykut scored at the 57th minute and three minutes later Stumph was sent
off. Besiktas was tied with Trabzon in Izmir 0-0.
                                                      Murat
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From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: EC1 groups schedule
Keywords: EC1
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

Hello folks!
Does anybody out there have a COMPLETE schedule for the two
EC1 groups, PLEASE???
Could you post it???
Thanks a lot. I have only the first round games.
CIAO!
Antonio
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: YOU are the ref!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:04:47 -0600
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Comments by:       JZeevi@users@swri03

   -------------------------- [Original Message] -------------------------      
----------------------------

FIFA should either : introduce the above rule, or,
		     define clearly what constitutes a back pass.

----------------------------
They have, whether we agree or not :

	a back pass is when a defender deliberately (in the judgement of the 
referee) kicks (with his feet or foot) the ball to his keeper.

The offense occurs when the keeper touches or plays the ball with his hands.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu

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