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From: brennan@coco.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: TermTable questions
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:27:49 GMT

	Hi People!!

	I have a SUN that I use to telnet to a VAX.. 

	I want to define a TERMTABLE.TXT entry for the Sunview
	connection.

	Can somebody tell me how to drive the TERMTABLE thingo?? :-)

	for that matter, has anybody already defined a SUN terminal?

	Luke.	 
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From: lhotka@abel.incstar.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.sysmgt
Subject: Looking for barcoding printer information
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:16:46 GMT
Organization: INCSTAR Corp, Stillwater MN

Is anyone familiar with Printronix printers?  In particular, with the
Printronix IGP graphics option?

We run ASK's MANMAN software and it uses the IGP graphics option for
barcode printing.  Currently we are trying to figure out what printer(s) to
purchase to fulfill our barcode printing needs and are struggling with
being limited to looking at only Printronix printers.

Are there other printers on the market which will emulate the IGP graphics
option?  Laser preferably, dot matrix is OK as well.

Are there software solutions?  Perhaps a VMS print symbiont which converts
IGP codes to postscript or HPGL or sixel graphics or something like that.

Thanks for any and all help!!

 Rockford Lhotka                                INCSTAR Corp
 Applications Project Leader                    1990 Industrial Blvd
 lhotka@incstar.com                             PO Box 285
 612/779-1701                                   Stillwater, MN 55082
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9204151829.AA14943
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From: van-bc!wolfe.wimsey.bc.ca!rsoft!agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!slcs.slb.com!BRYDON%linus.slcs.slb.com@ucbvax.berkeley.edu  (Harvey Brydon <van-bc!wolfe.wimsey.bc.ca!rsoft!agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!slcs.slb
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX
Subject: Re: Reading batch login parameters in SYLOGIN?
Message-Id: <1992Apr7.115048.15867@slcs.slb.com>
To: info-vax@kl.sri.com

In article <1992Mar25.044154.5780@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
writes:
>I was wondering: is there anyway to examine P1, P2, etc. in
>SYLOGIN? For example, if I
>
>$ SUBMIT mycommandfile/param=("foo","bar")
>
>then I'd like to be able to test in SYLOGIN
>
>$ if f$mode() .eqs. "BATCH"
>$ then
>$   if p1 .eqs. "foo" then write sys$output "You're a foo & not a bar!"
>$ end if

Sure, this is one of the things you can get from F$GETQUI:

$ parm_p1 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_1",,"this_job")
$ parm_p2 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_2",,"this_job")
$ parm_p3 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_3",,"this_job")
$ parm_p4 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_4",,"this_job")
$ parm_p5 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_5",,"this_job")
$ parm_p6 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_6",,"this_job")
$ parm_p7 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_7",,"this_job")
$ parm_p8 = f$getqui("display_job","parameter_8",,"this_job")

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From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Setting ICON and window titles on VT1200's "LAT Terminal Wi
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 09:24:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dan Wing, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU or WING_D@UCOLMCC.BITNET) writes:

>The operators here don't like using DECwindows on their VT1200's, so they
>use the regular "LAT Terminal Window" to login to the VAX.

Ditto myself...

>Is it possible to change the window and icon titles on these connections like
>you can with DECwindows, without going through the Customize window?

Yes.  You can send some (undocumented?) OSC (operating system control) 
sequences to the terminal-emulation window that will accomplish the change.
I have a DCL procedure that came, ironically, right off THIS net about a
year and a half ago or more, that makes the claim of a number of OSC
sequences which are supposed to resize and reposition the window, too, but 
I've tried 'em all and the only ones -=I=- can get to work are the window-
and icon-NAME sequences.  I caught a subtle implication in a recent posting
that these OSC sequences may be left over from UWS, which might explain
the VT1200's half-hearted understanding of them.

Now for the disclaimer.  I don't have the sequences right here handy.  I
am posting from home, and the sequences are buried in a .COM file on the
VAX at work which DOESN'T have Net access.  Dan, if you'll e-mail me 
your daytime/weekday phone number, I'll give you a call from work and 
give you the sequences; everyone else will have to e-mail me and remind
me to POST them, if there's interest...  (This is to avoid posting MY 
phone number here, and not getting any work done for the next week :-). ) 

Chris Chiesa
   Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: truesdal@wheaton.edu (Phil Truesdale)
Subject: Re: V5.5 version of session capture utility
Organization: Wheaton College
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:42:48 GMT

In article <01GILJ8LNWU88WW3NV@TAYLORU> DVWOODALL%TAYLORU@UICVM.UIC.EDU (David Woodall) writes:
>Fellow VAXers,
>
>Has anyone upgraded PHOTO or JOBLOG to use the new, standard VMS
>pseudo-terminal driver?  Or, does anyone know of another utility that
>performs the same function (capturing a terminal session to a file) that
>uses said driver?
>
>We are in need of a utility to do this, and would rather not install
>a non-standard device driver.
>
>I know that SET HOST/LOG will sort of do this, but we don't want to give
>students NETMBX priv just for this purpose.
>
Can't help with the question as asked, but I'm curious as to why you don't
want to give the students NETMBX.

Phil
From: dragon@NSCVAX.PRINCETON.EDU (Mighty Firebreather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: HELP WITH HELP
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:15:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>From: GUDURU%TSU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
>

>I am new to vax/vms system.
>would anybody out there please tell me how to add more information
>to vms help.
>what I want to do is ,add information say about bitnet on vms help.
>we are on vms version 5.4-2 on vax 4000.
>please e-mail your responses to guduru@tsu.bitnet
>thanks in advance.
>mahesh
>

	Prepare a text file like this:

1 BITNET
  BITNET is a network connecting educational institutions.  Most connections
  are made via 9600 baud dial-up lines.

2 Sending mail over BITNET
  To send mail over bitnet, use the VMS Mail Utility and use an address 
  like:  jnet%"GUDURU@TSU"

etc.

	Insert it into the help library of your choice with:
$ LIBR /HELP /INSERT SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB BITNET.HLP
Note that adding a module to a system library requires write access to that
library.

	You will find a detailed discussion in "VMS Librarian Utility 
Manual", order number AA-LA61A-TE.

*************************************************************************
*                                                                       *
*                        Here, there be dragons!                        *
*                      dragon@nscvax.princeton.edu                      *
*                                                                       *
*                                                Richard B. Gilbert     *
*************************************************************************
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Error starting clients in Motif 1.0A
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:42:08 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Apr14.200033.475@skitzo.dseg.ti.com>, dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman) writes:
> When I select a new application from the Session Manager Application
> menu under Motif 1.0A, I get the following message when I look at the
> output from "Work in Progress":
> 
> %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters
> \;EXT_21_2\
> 
> I have no idea where this is coming from.  I've looked everywhere for this
> string.

  It's some brain damage somewhere. I actually searched the whole ssytem disk
for this once in a vain attempt to stomp it. After I applied the 1.0A update
the quantity of these went _way_ down, though. Are you sure you've really got
1.0A installed?

  Anyway, I'm hoping they'll fix this in V1.1, rumored to be arriving some-
time after Thanksgiving, last I heard.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: tj06+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Thomas J. Joyce")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DECthreads, VMS 5.5 and Multinet
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:52:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

This was previously known as CMA. If any of you have attended DECUS for the
past two years you may have seen some talks related to this. 

From what I can gather, its been used internally on a number of different
products. I've been a field test site for one of these products and can
say without a doubt that the version of the product *with* DECthreads
was notably faster than the non-DECthreads one.

Tom Joyce
Carnegie Mellon
From: news@iscnvx
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HELP WITH HELP
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:23:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscnvx.1992Apr10.052335.8200
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <01GIKFHNS0AS90MXEF@TSU.BITNET>, GUDURU@TSU.BITNET writes:
>hi
>I am new to vax/vms system.
>would anybody out there please tell me how to add more information
>to vms help.
>what I want to do is ,add information say about bitnet on vms help.
>we are on vms version 5.4-2 on vax 4000.

You need to create your help module in your favorite text editor. Call
the file BITNET.HLP, for example. To get an example of what a help module
should look like, pick your favorite HELP topic, e.g. SHOW, and do this :

   $ LIB/EXTRACT=SHOW/OUTPUT=SHOW.HLP SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB

I think the format of the help module will be clear from this example. The
key is that the various tiered levels of help are triggered by the numeric
values in column one of the module. 

After you have created your module, just do :

   $ LIB/INSERT SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB BITNET.HLP  (or LIB/REPLACE to update)
=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\       "In my occupation
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\       There ain't no vacation
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\      I'm a professional fool"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: SEEKING a useful .COM file
Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:28:57 GMT


Might anyone be able to provide me with a .COM file which displays a list of
all files within a set of nested directories.  For example, if the following
directory structure existed:
	[home]
	[home.one]
	[home.one.a]
	[home.one.b]
	(etc.)
It would be useful to have a DCL "comfile" which, in response to
"$dirlist [home]",
would provide something like the following:
	[home]file1
	[home]file2
	[home.one]file1
	[home.one]file2
	(etc.)
I have been able to modify a DCL command file we have at our site for
deleting
all files within a set of nested directories, however this command
procedure then
always prefaces the files in each new directory with the annoying  
> (space)
> (space)
> Directory $1$DUA1:[ME.MYDIRECTORY.etc.]
> (space)
> (space)
It would be much nicer to have an uninterrupted list.

Many thanks in advance!

(Also, postings to the network, rather than e-mail to me, would be of
greater benefit
to users like myself, who are unfamiliar with the intricacies of DCL
programming!)
From: frisbie@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Reconstructing disk with corrupt [000000]
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:27:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Flying Disk Systems, Inc.

In article <8140099@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, 
don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

>>           primary home block is bad; backup used
>>           failed to activate quota file; volume locked
>>           bad directory format
>> 
>> and then the computer mounts the disk. However, dir devicename:[000000]
>> fails with a bad directory format message.
> 
> Been there, done that.  With the system disk and no current backup too... 8-(
> Basically, you've scrozzled track 0.
> 
> OK, here's what you do.  (Caveat: I'm doing this from memory.)

STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!  STOP!

Before you attempt ANY kind of a disk recovery, ALWAYS back up what you
currently have, even if you don't think it is necessary.   Otherwise
you are on the high wire without a net.   Do this as soon as you know
that you have a problem.

Since VMS BACKUP probably won't like your disk in its current condition,
you will have to do a PHYSICAL backup:

$ BACKUP /VERIFY /PHYSICAL diskdevice tapedevice:backupset_name

Then, if your repair efforts fail, you can try again with a different
technique, send the tape to Digital, or let a recovery expert have a
crack at it.   Don't make their work more difficult than it must be.

It really pains me when someone calls for help after they have
tried to fix a problem and, in the process, made a recovery totally
impossible.

--  Alan E. Frisbie               Frisbie@Flying-Disk.Com
--  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.
--  4759 Round Top Drive          (213) 256-2575 (voice)
--  Los Angeles, CA 90065         (213) 258-3585 (FAX)
From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Remote control of MS-DOS PC from VAX needed!
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:22:19 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Digital sells "SoftPC," a PC emulator that runs ON THE VAX and appears to
run most/all PC software without the bother of an actual PC!  You can assign
"Drive A:" either to a VAX drive (there seem to be some contortions involved;
I haven't worked with these because I'm not using this option) OR to a 
real PC running a server called "SlavePC".  SlavePC connects the PC to the
VAX via RS232 serial line (I'm running at 9600 baud) and makes the PC's
physical Drive A: appear as SoftPC's Drive A: on the VAX.  

I'm in the process of evaluating SoftPC at my site right now, and it appears
to work pretty much as promised although I haven't gotten through looking 
at ALL the features; I'm also having a problem getting it to work with a 
24-bit DECwindows "TrueColor"-class display board, but that's a topic for
a posting all its own...

Chris Chiesa
   Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Reconstructing disk with corrupt [000000]
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:04:16 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
> >  $ RENAME [SYSLOST]*.*;* disk:[SYSLOST.000000]*.*;*/EXCLUDE=000000.DIR
> 
> Skip the above step.
> 
> >Finally, put the 000000 directory in there too.  Renaming it won't work, so
> >you have to fool it:
> >
> >  $ SET FILE disk:[SYSLOST]000000.DIR/ENTER=disk:[SYSLOST.000000]000000.DIR
> >  $ SET FILE disk:[SYSLOST]000000.DIR;/REMOVE
> 
> Then use:
> 	$ ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR disk:
> to put the rest of the disks back where they belong.

Have you actually tried this?  The way I read it, the second ANALYZE/DISK
will see all the directories in [SYSLOST] but not do anything about it.

ANALYZE/DISK doesn't seem to realise that having the [000000] directory
entered in [SYSLOST] rather than [000000] is wrong either.

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: INSTALL and "<>"s...
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:11:41 GMT


In article <6E81AB77E6FF20778C@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU>, DEREK@U.WASHINGTON.EDU writes:
>"Aid. (adrian@lexcel.com)"   (I am not sure if Aid is a name or nickname)
 I assume it is a nickname for Adrian.
>wrote:
>
>>dev:<dir>file.ext
>> 
>>Check out the INSTALL program and note that it *always* shows directories this
>>way.  Historical reasons, I guess.
>
>I would say not, as INSTALL *used* to use the square brackets.  It seems to
>me that this changed back in version 4 of VMS, but it might have been V5.0.
>Angle brackets have always been supported by RMS, I thought for backwards
>compatibility with the pre-VMS operating systems.  (Similary, one can
>reference directories named "[xxxyyy]", where xxx and yyy represent octal
>digits, as "[xxx,yyy]" excluding leading zeros.  Thus, "[0,0]" is the same
>as "[000000]".  (There might be cases where software doesn't deal with this
>correctly when found in a rooted device specification, though.)
The <> and [] have slightly different affects, which us common folk don't
normally see.  The change came with some unsubtle changes in the ODS-II
documentation in V4 of VMS.  Rooted directories were around before then, just
not supported or documented.  I've used VMS since 1979, and RSX-11M before
then.  <> is not a valid syntax in either of those.  I think it came about to
differentiate certain directory structures, which eventually all collapsed back
to one.
>
>Anyway, I always figured that the change in INSTALL was done more as a
>"just because" reason.
>
>-Derek S. Haining
> University Computing Services
> University of Washington
> Seattle, Washington  98195 
> (206) 543-5579
>
> DEREK@MAX.BITNET
> DEREK@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
>
--
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From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: SmallTalk
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:43:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: whscdp.1992Apr12.234350.390
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

Does a SmallTalk interpreter (compiler?) exist for VMS?

-- 
Joe Kmoch                             Washington High School
kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu                  Computer Specialty
(414)449-2765                         2525 N. Sherman Blvd
(414)444-9760 x5488                   Milwaukee, WI  53210
From: MAHAN@GRUBNIK.TGV.COM
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: FileView on two screens at startup
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:48:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In article <9709@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> you write:
#Path: ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!s3!martinea@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
#From: martinea@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Alain Martineau)
#Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
#Subject: FileView on two screens at startup
#Message-ID: <9709@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
#Date: 10 Apr 92 20:47:08 GMT
#Sender: usenet@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca
#Organization: Hydro Qubec
#Lines: 10
#
#On two headed workstations, I want to start a FileView on each screen
#at login time. I tried executing the command file
#$ SET DISPLAY/SCREEN=0
#$ spawn/nowait run sys$system:vue$master
#$ SET DISPLAY/SCREEN=1
#$ spawn/nowait run sys$system:vue$master
# but I get two FileViews on screen 1.
#

Try doing:

$ SET DISPLAY/SCREEN=0
$ spawn/nowait run sys$system:vue$master
$ wait 00:01:00
$ SET DISPLAY/SCREEN=1
$ spawn/nowait run sys$system:vue$master

I suspect that you are changing the decw$display information before the first
vue$master can access it.  Thus both show up on the second screen.  Also, you
might try using SET DISPLAY/CREATE/... To cause a new device be created each
time.

--
Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered  - Lazarus Long
a capital crime.  For a first offense, that is            From the Notebooks of
							  Lazarus Long


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor)
Subject: Re: mail interface for UCX?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:49:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.191752.28442@ra.msstate.edu> gowen@walt.tmc.edu (Lon Gowen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.121924.8137@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes:
>>
>>ANU News does work with UCX, but it requires an NNTP program written
>>by someone at another site.  I honestly forget where it is, but they
>>have hopefully added information about it to the ANU docs.
>
>Thanks for the information Jim.  I am curious to know if I need an NNTP
>program even if I am running as a client?  I thought all the NNTP
>executables where for NNTP server sites.  Let me know if my assumption
>is wrong.

Actually, (and this could probably be better answered on the ANU-news
newsgroup), you still have to be able to create an NNTP connection,
even if you're acting only as a NNTP client.  So you need the program
to do it.

If you're only looking at reading news as a client, might I recommend
looking at one of several other newsreader packages that are optimized
to be NNTP clients?  An especially well-designed one is Matt Madison's
NEWSRDR, available via anonymous FTP from <vms.ecs.rpi.edu>.  It's my
own opinion that ANU can be a bit daunting, especially if you only
want to do client-style NNTP.

-- 
Jim Gaynor - System Analyst       Internet: gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu
Ohio State University - ACS/FMS   Phone: Voice 614/292-4338 - FAX 614/292-7443
ObDiscl:  Everything stated here and above is _my_ opinion.  Mine mine mine!
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