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From: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes/Bengals game ... Some observations.
Date: 28 Sep 1992 01:01:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
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In a previous article, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan) says:

>It was a great 4th week for Vikes fans as they mauled the Bengals
>42-7. However, I have some comments to make.
>
>1>  Why would Green allow Gannon, who chipped a bone in his right
>hand the last game to play most of the game, even after the outcome
>was sure.

Perhaps Gannon was having the game of his life and wanted to keep
playing.  Who knows?  Perhaps the press in Minnesota will ask Green
and someone from Minnesota could let us know.


>2> Was Green rubbing it on Shula. In the words of the commemtators,
>Green would have earned an enemy for life in Shula as he was trying
>to run up the scores by attempting to go deep on 4th and 9 when
>the Vikes were already up 42-7.

I don't think Green was worried about making an enemy out of Shula.
Minnesota probably won't play Cinci for another three years (unless
they meet in the Super Bowl :)  I think Green just wants to give as
much experience to his players a possible.  In other words, it
was more important to let Salisbury (sp?) get some more experience than
worry about making Shula mad.  If this was Green's reason, I agree.


>3> Vikes have this problem of kicking. Another blocked punt which
>  prevented a shut-out of the Bengals.

Yes, the Vikes special teams DO need work.  Not only was a punt
block, but another was partially blocked.  In addition, there was
a long kickoff return, which lucky for the Vikings, was called back
by a holding call.  When your up 35-0, you can afford these mistakes.
But I doubt they will up 35-0 against the Bears, and then such
mistakes will kill you (remember Detroit?).

>4> all in all the offence and the defence of the Vikes were in
>full gear and stunned the Bengal fans and the commemtators alike.
>
>Waiting for some comments


The Vikings "kicked butt".  Gannon was hot and worked magic with Chris
Carter in the 1st half.  Jones pulled in a couple of big plays.  Nelson
started it with a great kickoff return.  Allen was solid.  And the
defense was on fire.  Browner's replacement (what's his name?) 
picked off Boomer three times (Doleman caused one interception).
They sacked the quarterback more than 5 times.  They stuffed the run.
Their only problem was special teams.  


Are the Vikes for real?  After all, they should have beat the Lions and
be sitting on top 4-0.  Next week will tell when they play the Bears.
This ol' Viking fan will wait and see some more before he starts
getting excited.  But one thing is certain.  Green has greatly
improved this team!  If he keeps it up.....
  
-- 
Michael
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Okoye, Bills...
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:17:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
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In a previous article, d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White) says:

>Christian Okoye is unstoppable, Ronny Lott doesn't know where he is
I think Okoye has yet to find the end zone.

>still.  The bills will defeat the Dolphins, the Miami gold fish are no
>match for the overpowering Offense and DEFENSE, yes, a much improved
>defense.  A tight end is not going to be enough to stop a defense with
>5 guys who could go to the probowl this year.  Just random thoughts.
I think the time has come for the Dunggalo Bills to lose.  'nuff said.

Mike
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Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 22:05:52 -0400 
From: Andrew Franklin Wheeler <aw1h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: A new division order (AFC East)

As a diehard Bills fan, I was obviously dismayed at the outcome of
Sunday's game.  A sloppily played affair by Jim Kelly (he seems to have
one or two horrible games each season).

At the same time, however, I found the game exciting.  Miami has
definitely arrived as a team to contend with (the addition of Keith
Jackson playing no small part in that arrival).  Both the Bills and
Dolphins have pretty easy schedules the rest of the way; it should be
quite a race.

It's just really cool that the Bills are going to have some competition
this season (I can only take so much pleasure from lopsided victories
over Indianapolis, New England, and the Jets).

Can't wait 'til these two teams meet in Miami.  You better believe that
Kelly will NOT repeat his lackluster performance.

-andy.
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From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Bring on the Mammals (was Bring on the FISH)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171023.13625@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes: (after first taking SFRELIAS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu) to task for grammar
and spelling errors):

>Evidently you don't have to have ever studied English grammer to be a Jills
                                                       ^^^^^^^
>fan. Nor do you have to know how to spell either.

My my. Another net.grammarian bites the dust.  When will it end? 
But then, what do I know? After all, this Pats fan's eyes'll be glued to the
set Sunday night, when the winless Pats travel to the Meadowlands to take on
the also-winless Jets in the real game of the week. Hey, it beats studying
English!


Bruce Smith 
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From: jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff)
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:16:29 GMT

OK, I see next weeks Saints / Lion game to be possibly the 2nd most
interesting game of the week.  Will the Lions open it back up and
return to last year's form of being unbeatable at home?  Or will
they break their home winning streak in style and lose 2 in a row?

I'll bet someone will have an opinion out there somewhere.

My guess:
 Saints  20   Lions  10

Go Bears

Neff
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Green Bay 17, Pitt 3
Keywords: YES!
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.234053.3034@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:

A few things I forgot in my posting from last night:

	 [ ... ]

>seemed to be back in form.  When Brock went out with a (minor?)
>injury, Tuaolo played end.  Jurkovic was NT most of the game, with
>Brown and Brock at the ends.  Noonan also played quite a bit.

Any word on Brock's knee?

>Green Bay special teams:  Jacke hooked a short field goal from an

	[ ... ]

Also:  Vinnie Clark blocked a field goal, and George Koonce
recovered a muffed punt (clarinews is incorrectly reporting that
it was a fumbled punt).  The coverage teams looked good.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Thoughts on yesterday's games
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:38:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: eplrx7.1992Oct5.193848.29889
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development

I didn't get to see any of the games yesterday, but did catch ESPN's
recap of the day's action and had these thoughts:
1.  How about that TD run by Steve Young?  He really faked out a few
    defensemen and left them standing cold.  This guy looks like he
    might give Randall a challenge for the nickname "Scrambler".
2.  That Favre guy from Green Bay-man, can he zing that football or what?
    He looked like he threw frozen ropes all day long.
3.  Glad to see Rich Gannon of the Vikes have another good outing.  I
    hope he takes Minnesota somewhere this year.
4.  How many times do the Redskins have to throw that sideline curl pattern
    that gets intercepted before they take it out of the playbook?  I mean,
    I see it's purpose, but #40 on Phoenix obviously watched his films
    last week, and ends up with 2 int TD's on the same kind of play.
5.  As a Dolphin fan, I was sure glad to see their win yesterday, not so
    much for their standings, but to shut up all those Buffalo fans who
    thought the game was a gimme.  C'mon guys, anything can happen anytime
    in this game, and is it worth the ego-deflation to woof your team up
    to such high expectations?  Give this petty "we're better" bickering
    a rest! :-)
6.  Message to Mike Ditka: that interception is not what lost the game
    for you, pal.  Take it out on the defense and not the QB who makes
    one mistake.  Nobody's perfect, for cryin' out loud!
7.  Finally, Philly and Dallas will not be "The Game of the Year" as some
    think it might.  There isn't much at stake here except to become the
    only undefeated NFC team after 4 weeks.  Whoopie.  Wait til one of
    these teams really needs the win - that will make it more meaningful.
    Nevertheless, 'undefeated' is a great thing to be and will make for
    a great game nonetheless.

Scott

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from Groucho Marx.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Harbaugh Gets Ass Chewing
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:31:43 GMT
	<1992Oct5.204244.27354@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Oct5.204244.27354@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
Path: umeecs!caen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ames!olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!coos.dartmouth.edu!riff
   From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
   Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
   Date: 5 Oct 92 20:42:44 GMT
   References: <16877A678.S900303@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU>
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   Joe Football writes:

   >Any comments on this?  Will Harbaugh be starting QB next week?
   > 
   Of course he will. One bad play doesn't mean you pull a QB who
   has been reliable for you for 2+ years and replace him with
   an unproven 3rd year or rookie QB.

Ditka has been known to stand by stupid decisions in the past because he was
too full of himself to back down.  He threatened to pull Harbaugh
permenantly, not just for the near term.  Sure its stupid, but Ditka is
probably the NFL's premier egomaniac,  now that Buddy Ryan is on the bench,
so to speak.

Bill
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Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 16:05:46 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL stats project: Lions Week 5 (YUCK!!!)

Here's the Lion's stats for Week #5  vs. New Orleans.

Next Opponent:
Minnesota (after off week) 10/15

Game Summery
                    New Orleans         Detroit*
Pts                     13                 7
Rushing                 40/133             11/42
Pass-Att                16/21              15/30
Pass-yds                152                145
Fum lost                1/0                1/1
Pos                     40:43              19:17

Passing:
Pete 15/30/173 T

Rushing:
Sanders  9/36
Pete     2/6

Receiving:
Green    6/84
Perriman 4/26 T
Matthews 2/34
Farr     2/15
Barrett  1/14

Kicking:
Hanson   1XP

Sacks:
Cofer     1
Pritchett 1

Interceptions:
none

Injuries:
just the lion pride.


Game Summery:
   The Lion's offense was terrible.  Return to Silver Stretch was
nothing spetacular.  When they used it,  Sanders was 7-32,  Pete was
12-22-143,  but was sacked 5 times.

News Items:
  The Lions are off next weekend.  They play Minnesota,  a week from
Thursday in Minnesota.
From: v069qqqc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike C.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dangerous Dan
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct2.215126.2122@leland.Stanford.EDU>, daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes...
> 
>Fouts's Chargers lost two playoff games AT HOME that they should have
>won, one to a Houston Oiler team missing an injured Earl Campbell
>and the other a conference championship game to the Raiders.  He had
>his chances to lead his team to Super Bowl glory.

Fouts' team also had a NOTORIOUSLY bad defense. I think they were near
the bottom of the league for several years and Fouts still had them 
in championship games. 

I loved to watch him play... he and Marino are the best pure passers
I've seen.


Mike
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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: RAMS info requested
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:49:34 CDT

After Anthony Thompson was waived by Phoenix I saw that the Rams picked him
up. Since, then I haven't heard anything.  Is he still with the Rams?
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: #1 Ranked Offense/ Defense
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:05:17 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bv9p24.BDM@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
> In article <1992Sep26.142010.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:
>>What irks me is that the 1972 Miami Dolphins just don't get any respect. They
>>
>>Dolphins- The perfect season of '72!
>>Todd Elliott
> Todd, quit living in the past.

      I think I can understand why Buffalo fans don't like "living" in the past.
Maybe after the franchise wins a LEAGUE championship they will have more than
just a short term memory.

                        -doug the dolfan-


> 
>>11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
>>11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:58:48 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Oct4.213259.5571@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

| In article <1992Oct4.210347.28947@cass.ma02.bull.com> silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio) writes:
| >After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:
| >Can anyone beat Miami?
| >
| I don't think there is any team that can go undefeated.
| anymore. The Dolphins were certainly better today and
| if the Dolphins keeps their heads on straight, then
| they have a chance of winning more games.
| 

Well here is most of the remaining schedule....

Oct.11 	ATLANTA FALCONS (2-3)
Oct.18  NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (0-4)
Oct.25  INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (2-2)
Nov.1   at New York Jets (1-4)
Nov.8   at Indianapolis Colts (0-4)
Nov.16  BUFFALO BILLS (4-1) **Monday Night**
Nov.22  HOUSTON OILERS (3-1)
Nov.29  at New Orleans Saints (3-2)
Dec.6   at San Francisco 49ers (4-1)
Dec.14  LOS ANGELES RAIDERS (1-4)  **Monday Night**
Dec.20  NEW YORK JETS (1-4)  **Sunday Night**
Dec.27  at New England Patriots (0-4)

If you look at the next 5 weeks the combined record of the Dolphins is 5-17.

Imagine going into the Buffalo Bills game Monday night at home with a 9-0
record.  The Fins should be favored in each of the 5 games, and realistically
should win.

That brings Buffalo in mid-November...Buffalo is going to want revenge,
but here is a Miami team gelling, with two rookies on defense gaining
some major experience, and plays excellent on Monday Night especially at home.
That'll be real tough, it would be hard to say Miami should be favored for
that one.

And the next three games after that vs Houston, 49ers, and the Saints
should make the call on whether this team really has the ability to make
it all the way.

Go Dolphins....on your 20th Anniversary of 'The Perfect Season'...why
not try for it again.

Joe Sosa

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: HE COULD GO ALL THE WAY!
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:20:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.034803.18473@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
> 
> HE COULD....GOOOO, ALL...THE WAY!  YES! So how many TDs
> were befitting this Berman CLASSIC?  I only saw a couple 
> of games, but I am certain others out there have some good
> ones as well. :-)
> 

> Steve Young performed another CLASSIC run that made the
> RAMS look like cheer leaders as Young cut, faked and
> dragged a hapless defender into the end zone. Yes,
> HE WENT ALL THE WAY!
> 
> I am still not 100% Young convert, but he is at least
> getting the job done.

Never thought I'd see the day when John Gloria said something positive about
Steve Young...:)

Young Certainly looks like he is more comfortable at the helm this year.  With
the great year he had statistically last year, and him settling in this year,
the sky's the limit...If nothing else, he's damn exciting to watch guiding the
offense.  Now, if we can only shore up the weaknesses in the secondary...

>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>   "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
>    your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
> 
> 

Chris S.
From: hilz@cs.arizona.edu (Eric J. Hilz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: giants game!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:44:18 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> Also the first time since early 70's that Dallas won at Giants Stadium.
>
Nope.  Dallas beat the Giants in Giants Stadium in 1983, 1985, and 1987.
I know this for a fact but I'm not sure about any of the games before '83.

A 'Boys diehard,
Eric Hilz
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:06:32 GMT

sh> Sivaram Hariharan

sh> Have Elway's Comeback victims ever included any strong NFC teams or is it
    that Elway has succeeded only againt the AFC in his comebacks?

  I'll look it up and post it later.

sh> If he is indeed a great QB, then why has he not comeback against the NFC 
    teams in the Super Bowl?

  Mainly because the Broncos were too far back for him, and also the fact that
  he is but one guy out of 22. He is neither to be solely credited for the
  number of comebacks he's had, nor is he to be solely blamed for the Broncos'
  sorry performances in the SB.

sh> I bet that Elway is just an average QB.

  A lot of teams would like to have such an "average" QB. Indeed, he is one of
  the winningest QBs in the league. His numbers have never been terribly good,
  but the number that really matters is the number under the "W" column. And
  he has been a major part of many wins.

--
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Philadelphia Eagles!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:43:14 GMT

Woof, woof!

'nuff said.
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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Saint's Schedule???????
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:16:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The closest game the Saints have to you this year will be next Sunday
the 4th at Detroit. (Should be a corker!)

Pity the Pats . . .

-MC
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Report & Dallas vs Philly
Keywords: Philadelphia 30 Denver 0
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:27:15 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <g20n5c=@lynx.unm.edu> jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (Furry Bunny Feet) writes:
>>darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>>> Why not ask something more appropriate to the game at hand:  Has Randall
>>> beaten Dallas?  Yes.  Has Aikman ever beaten the Eagles?  N E V E R.

To continue:
    >>>Who won the last game?  D A L L A S
    >>Was Randall playing? N O
    >Was Aikman playing? N O
    
This could go on for awhile, but why bother?  The differences between then
and now is why this is such an interesting game, not to mention the 3-0 start
of both teams.  Only a week now!

>Philly fans should shut up and wait and see what happens. (Dallas fans
>too.)

I'm starting to agree . . . for once, I'm tired of reading a thread about
Dallas.  (Hey, will someone check if J.H. Christ came back today? :^) )

Daniel Welch
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:32:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.210347.28947@cass.ma02.bull.com> silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio) writes:
>After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:
>
>Can anyone beat Miami?
>
>
>-- 
>____________________________________________________
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>(508) 294-6774

I don't think there is any team that can go undefeated.
anymore. The Dolphins were certainly better today and
if the Dolphins keeps their heads on straight, then
they have a chance of winning more games.

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Originator: bsricker@c00471-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:18:47 GMT


Mr. Lonestar,

I hope you are not as ignorant or stupid as you appear to be ... Not only
will the Eagles fail to beat the Cowboys 42 - 3 ... They won't beat them
period ... The Eagles 'all-world' defense is not as strong as the media
has hyped them to be ... So far they have beaten a mediocre Saints team, a 
pathetic Cards team, and an overated Bronco's team ... They have not faced
the likes of an Emmit, Troy or Michael ... The minute they overload the line
to stop Emmit ... Troy will simply air it out to Mr. Irvin ... And the
result will be a extremely disappointed Eagles secondary ... Now, I'm not 
saying the game will be a blow out, but the Cowboys WILL WIN, most likely 
21 - 10 or something similar ... I'll be sure to send you some mail Tuesday
morning when its all said and done.

Cheers,
Brian