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From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@wmvm1.cc.wm.edu>
Subject:      Re: Who Done it..?

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:50:45 CST Leonard Watkins said:
>Crossing the highway, late last night
>shoulda looked left, shoulda looked right
>didn't see the station-wagon car
>skunk got squashed, and there you are
>....etc
>
>Who did it and what was it called, I saw a CD by this fellow yesterday and
>that made me recall this song. BTW Richard Thompson plays on the CD...L.W.
>
Loudon Wainwright III: "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road."

BTW, Loudon Wainwright III has a new CD out (don't know the title), which
includes "Talking Bob Dylan Blues," which Wainwright wrote (or wrought) in
honor of Dylan's 50th birthday, last year.

My favorite song which Wainwright writ :) is "Red Guitar."  Its about how
he gets mad at his red guitar and burns it up.  He buys another guitar,
but the final verse goes:

"I went and bought a blonde guitar
 I had it for three days
 A junkie stole my blonde guitar
 God works in wondrous ways."

Of course the whole thing is all piano and voice (i.e., no guitar).

-Scott "Come on now, Stink" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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BLOOMIDO SED:

>OUAC: Urban Ambience will be playing live on the Brandeis U. radio station,
>WBRS, 100.3 MHz or so, Friday night from 9:30 until we break all our strings.

?WILL? there be a TAPE produced?  I'd LIKE to review it, if there is!


New entry:  Has ANYONE heard of a group called "Beuracracy of Hope", out of
            Houston, Texas... looks like grunge, I'm interested in ANY
            background info anyone may have on them!

>He's only on one track, "High School Hellcats," but you should get this record
>anyway. The artist is Henry Kaiser, one of the world's top ten guitarists no
>matter what _Guitar Nad_ magazine has to say about it,

HEAR! HEAR!  Glad SOMEONE knows who Henry Kaiser is... just a SUPER player!


THEN SONIA SED:

>But anyway, I played "How It Was" which started out pretty lame but
>you could hear them get warmed up, and when I got to the final tune (called
>"Father"--a very bizarre title in my opinion... i.e. in relation to the
>music), I couldn't STAND it it was so great.  I kept rewinding the tape so I
>could play that last one again and again and again.

I believe that was a major PART of the phsychedelic 'aura' you've been
exploring of late, Sonia dear... I also believe (from having BEEN there, to
some degree) that it had (for WHOEVER was playing) somethin' to do with
the SUBSTANCES you'd taken before you started playing...


>But I liked the comment because just yesterday I was wondering, "how
>exactly would I define 'psychedelic'" because I seem to be so obsessed with
 >the stuff recently, yet ... what does the word MEAN (when it comes to music)?

I always thought (especially after one of my 'unsupervised' trips) that it
related to a 'deli of the mind'!

THEN Carol/Libby SENSUALIZED:

>The DJ (one of the local radio personalities) awarded it to me for being the
>first one to knock the bar down with her breasts.

WHOSE bar was it?


ZZAJ-INJECTION:  On all the discussion 'bout DOLBY on the comp tape, count
                 me on the NON-DOLBY side!

Then CAROL/CINNAMON SED AGAIN:


>No... shit, could you tell? The hockey player had a tourney on the weekend --
>he had to "save his legs" for that...  But I do owe his frog something -- I
>said I'd kiss that frog if he scored a hat-trick at any game which I attended.
>I watched him play the first game of the tourney and he scored 4 goals.  :-/
>Bummer....  ;)

Watch out ye' don't get WARTS... ah, no, guess it's ok if he 'shaved his legs'!


Subject:      Tripping Out in Masuda-Land

After reading Sonia's review, Mike, HOW do I get your comp?  I'd like to get
a review copy for my 'zine!


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Subject:      Re: Time signatures

The other day I was listening to "Pisces, Aquarius..." (Monkees)
again and there's a song on there called "Love Is Only Sleeping".
It has a neat riff in 7/8, which would sound great if done in
the Brubeck jazz style.

whatever..

Mike.
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
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              26 Jan 1993 14:53:25 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:53:25 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>   There's a guy in lab nearby that's sanding something (loud), listening
>to Phil Collins (loud) and singing really terribly (loud).  I don't think
>he realizes that the doors are muting everything *except* his singing,
>which is ringing clearly through the halls.  Pretty comical.  The tune is
>some sappy slow PC standard.  Wait, he's attracting a crowd.....

Speaking of Phil, he is a good drummer isn't he...? I don't really know
thats why i'm asking...........L.W.

BTW it could be worse as in Michael Macdonald....know what i mean

Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)
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In article <93027.000856MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET> MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET writes:
>  And THAT brings us to tirade the second: Beermeister imagines Reaganite
>exile will be made more tolerable by listening to Boulez playing Sacre &
>Lulu? BOULEZ? That insensitive, politically-hyperactive weasel? That
>schmuck who thinks that meaning is waste of time which won't advance his
>career? That Bismarck with a math degree? I know FZ reveres him--but even
>great folk have their eccentricities; Pops loved Lombardo, and that parallel
>ain't far off at all. The guy's a complete sonofabitch, and rarely has
>any musician--Herbie Mann comes to mind--made that fact so audible. You
>want Lulu Suite? Check a real musician like Abbado! Never mind the cardboard
>posturing, the "Holy shit, I'm so hip I can wee wee on the score!," get
>the fuck down to the music, and ditch that French jackanapes. Thank you.

Oh come on, Pierre is a nice man.  His mother says so.

Jeff
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              27 Jan 1993 10:42:06 -0700 from <6153@EF.GC.MARICO PA.EDU>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:42:06 -0700 Terrence Michael Drozdowski laid on us:
>Well, I'm new here also (gee, someone must've granted a whole school
>access, huh?).  I've been reading the list, but have not been able to
>reply and have missed some areas where I really wanted to, but watch out,
>I'm able to now...  I'm 19 and I'm into the techno/industrial scene along
>with alternative.
>
I give up--yet *another* round in the alternative wars--funny how we used to
have the same wars in '70s about "progressive".  Hell with it--alternative
to *me* means 15th century instead of some closely-split hairs about one
20th century rocker rather than another (-:
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>Les Miz & Phantom of the Opera? "Successful" syntheses of pop &
>CLASSICAL? Lord, my chains are heavy; do I have to treat the poor
>list to another adjective-studded screech about what an obscene
>hack Andrew Lloyd Webber is? Please, Tim, don't bring this ugly
>farago on us all again..
>Michael

We stumble across the same problem again.  How do we define
"successful."

I don't care for ALW at all, myself.

But....

Is he a success with the public?

lots of people think so.

                        -Tim
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Subject:      Re: Expanding my horizons

>Today at lunch the Pub Lib will have a acapella group called called
>Ladies Night Out, I've listened to Sweet Honey in the rock, but never
>really listened to musch acapella, so it'll be new to me....L.W.

So how was it? You post that, and don't give me a review? Isn't that a
net-crime? I should know - I'm taking crim law now....

Marsha

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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Junkyard

While I was in Camelot picking up _Transmutation_ the guy who works in the jazz
section, that I had tried to bully into ordering a copy of _Transmutation_ for
himself (because he did sound interested--he plays bass and likes Bootsy),
asked
me if I knew "Junkyard" by David Friedman (?) and some other David.  Nope, I
didn't.  But I am a bit sceptical because when I--oops, we'll have to
DIS-assemble the above text before we can proceed any further: actually I
talked to this guy when I ORDERED _Transmutation_ and he was interested; so
when I picked it UP, I asked him whether he had heard it for himself... and he
got this whimpering look in his eyes and he mewled, "Well I saw some Praxis on
video [?? is this true? possible? what video?] and [whine] I thought they were
kind of... weird" He looked terrified that I was going to prod him with my
stiletto-heel motorcycle boots [you thought I was going to say boobs, didn't
you]... So when this guy recommended "Junkyard" I thought, yeah, sure.
BUT I also thought, let's hear what the NET has to say on this. So?

Gary, I just recorded my stuff for you and I'm telling you, if what I have put
on tape for the good of mewling humanity does not make you jump out of your
pants INSTANTLY, I want to hear about it.  It'll be in tomorrow's mail and I
hope it doesn't burn the PeeOh's fingers.

Ilia, "deprive of" not "from" (you're thinking _ot_) (for what that's worth)

You know one of the strangest things about _Transmutation_ (don't laugh or
puke) - you can DANCE to it.  Truly, I could not just SIT and listen to it.  It
made you get up and DO it.  Now how much jazz can you say that about?
(I hope I haven't made a horrible Volks Paw)


Sonia
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Subject:      Re: The Prisoner (Herbie Hancock)

Tom Buck writes....

>My question is this: Has anybody encountered a record label that they feel is
>nearly perfect in their artistic output? I know that somebody on this list
>feels this way about Enigma. (At least I think it was Enigma.) Does anybody
>(hey Beer!) feel the same way about Bluenote in the 50's and 60's?
>
>Maybe the question might best be put this way: If you were stranded alone on
>an island, and you could have the complete catalog of only one record company,
>which one would it be and why?  :-)

I'm a big fan of Kaleidescope. The have the Bobs and Christine Lavin, two
of my favorties, and I've heard some of the other stuff on the label and
always liked it. Anyone got a problem widdat?

Marsha

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From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blues Down Under

>Also the TV was on MTV and a guitar player caught my attention, cuz he was
>playing some kinda-nice-but-over-played-blues-licks and it wasn't bad. Now the
>singer was a complete nut case and the band looks like they could do better,
>maybe get a human as a singer. Turned out it was Pearl Jam the group i blasted

Ah LW LW.  The singer *is* Pearl Jam.  Without him they'd be just another
band playing kinda-nice-but-over-played-blues-licks.  First time I heard
the guy sing, I thought "Heh, doesn't do much for me, but *he* seems to
mean it."  Since then I've grown to appreciate his cathartic fits, much more
than any that the king-of-catharsis, Springsteen, ever put out.

Russ
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Subject:      RE: VARIOUS PITS & BEICES

Dick sed re psychedelia:

>I always thought (especially after one of my 'unsupervised' trips) that it
>related to a 'deli of the mind'!

yes... as compared to new-age music which would relate to 'bologna of the mind'
:*)

>THEN Carol/Libby SENSUALIZED:
>
>>The DJ (one of the local radio personalities) awarded it to me for being the
>>first one to knock the bar down with her breasts.
>
>WHOSE bar was it?

oh my...  aren't you frisky in the middle of a korean afternoon?! but i guess
i should expect such from someone named 'dick'...   *giggle*

>ZZAJ-INJECTION:  On all the discussion 'bout DOLBY on the comp tape, count
>                 me on the NON-DOLBY side!

thanks for your ejaculatory response big dicker... i agree with you.

>>No... shit, could you tell? The hockey player had a tourney on the weekend --
>>he had to "save his legs" for that...  But I do owe his frog something -- I
>>said I'd kiss that frog if he scored a hat-trick at any game which I attended.
>>I watched him play the first game of the tourney and he scored 4 goals.  :-/
>>Bummer....  ;)
>
>Watch out ye' don't get WARTS... ah, no, guess it's ok if he 'shaved his legs'!

WARTS have never been a problem... now if I could just get his frog to quit
spitting in my eye, I'd be set.  :*)

OMC:  I wanna get a Can CD... which of these would you people suggest?
  cannibalism
  delay 1968
  future days
  monster movie
  tago mago

- Carol
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Subject:      Quick reply to Marsha's review...

Just wanted to reply quickly to one of your comments...

>>
>>Homeless - Ladysmith Black Mambazo : I knew this already. So harmonious...Why
>>                                     would you want to clutter this up with
>>                                     instruments?
>I don't know what you mean? There are no instruments on this!

Actually I didn't mean that there was any instruments on it, just that the
song is so perfect as it is...I can see someone wondering why Paul Simon
didn't include instruments in the background. Answer: It would ruin the song!

I agree with you about trying to cover as much a cappella ground as possible
on the tapes even if it means including a few songs you don't like. Manhattan
Transfer does belong in the compilation to give a feel for that sort of
a cappella style...

Bob Tee
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From:         Darrell A Peters <dpeters@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Cool Beans

Jeff Preston sez "Cool Beans" is "an Ohio thing. Seems like all the Buckeyes
here in Kentucky say it."

I, myself, am a Bugeye, and NEVER heard this phrase until encountering it on
the net. Obviously comes from the vegesexual subculture.

Walt Keller cites a couple verses from John Lee Hooker's "Bottle Up and Go,"
saying, "to me this is pure poetry."

Yes yes yes!!!

And while we're on the subject of John Lee Hooker, Leonard Watkins asks
us to name a modern masterpiece of music, so here are two to choose from:

_The Healer_
_Mr. Lucky_

And speaking of pure poetry, check out the lyrics on Father Was A Jockey (Mr.
Lucky).

Can't help it, I have to name two more (non-Hooker) masterpieces:

Rory Gallagher, _Irish Tour '74_
One of the most hellaciously brilliant, incendiary live R&R records: Johnny
Winter And Live

--Darrell
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    I'm gonna have to take issue with you on this one.  Have you
every heard Willie Mae (Big Momma) Thorton?  Go ahead find her
version of _Houndog_  then listen to Elvis.  I'm sorry, there is no
comparison.  The white audience (the mass audience, the ones the
record labels made music for) could not handle the raw energy of
Black Music.  Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino played weak
versions of the blues music that was so popular among the black
audience.
    I find most early rock 'n' roll hard to listen to.  Especially in
the wake of the real, hard core, gut wrenching music that was
available at the same time.  Rock 'n' Roll was just baby pap, to
pacify white, teenage audiences.


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From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Thirteen samolian, 4 bits... about the tapes...?

this list is good
   songs that art fine
 but question I would
    the thirteen fifty fine?

What is it for?
  please be clear
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    for tis financial fear...

Answer me true..
    tis a question
       not a rue.
                                         Ed.
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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Prisoner (Herbie Hancock)

One thing about desert island discs:
NEVER NEVER keep your CDs in the hard plastic rectangle it comes in
before you depart to your desert island.  You will be combing the
island shores forever looking for something to scrape the damn things
open... Gads I hate those plastic rectangles--they smell bad and
they are impossible to open without a sharp tool.  If you use
scissors to open them up, you run the risk of cutting into the
section that contains the album notes.  They heat seal them
so they are almost bullet proof.  I can imagine some poor sod
dying from apoplexy from trying to get these damn things ripped open.

Hmmmm... Apoplexy... cool band name.... but amyways,

Anyone have horror stories of the CD packaging kind?

Mike.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:01:44 KST
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Subject:      RE-TRANSMIT

Ho-kay, netfolks

An annual event (that ye' may - or may NOT) be familiar
with is herby announced!

I've gone back thru this year's library of new ZZAJ
creations & compiled my '93 'SAMPLER' tape... C90,
hi-bias, & it's got RED-HOT toonz with folks like
synthmeister H. Mark Vale, soo-per guitarist Mark
Kissinger, keyboard genius Joe Hardin, and poets like
John M. Bennett (who hails from Sonia's neck o' the
woods), Robert Winson and Ficus Strangulensis - all
WITH ZZAJ, o' course!

ZO!  Here's the DEAL... order the tape separately &
it's only $3.50.  If you order it with a copy of
(soon to be published) 'Improvijazzation Nation',
the whole package is only $4.00!  There are 18 toonz
from 6 ZZAJ tapes released in the last year or so!
Let me know by private e-mail, or via snailmail to:

Dick Metcalf
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ROTCOD ZZAJ
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In article <ALLMUSIC%93012511410910@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>
>> playing rock or fusion.  That is why I always considerd Cobham as a rock
>> drummer, and Jack as a jazz drummer, regardless of the style of music
>> they play.
>
>I'm probably just being oversensitive to a perceived jazz snobbery here again,
>but I have difficulty not reading this whole exegesis as "Jazz drummers are
>new sensitive males, rock drummers are louts."

How so?  When have I ever said anything bad about Cobham, who I
consider a rock drummer?  But if it will make you happy, I'll call Mitch
Mitchell a jazz drummer, because _I_ like him.  But that is not what I am
saying.   About all I can make of this is that you are saying the same
thing I am but from the different side, that is, deep down, there is not 
a whole hell of a lot of jazz that you are impressed with,
just as deep down, there is not too much rock that I am impressed with.

I'll tell you what, what do you make of Zappa's thoughts on polyrhythms,
jazz vis-a-vis the music of Frank Zappa?  I trust you have his autobio.

Maybe for people who don't play, this seems to be overly concerned about
labels.  But if you are a player, you do have to be style conscious.
I was once in a salsa band, and my part had all these punch figures set
up by the perscussionists.  Being latin, I first played them straight,
but I wasn't comfortable.  So then I played them like I would in a big
band, and it felt cool, and I was together with the percussion, and
everything felt great.  But then they stopped the band, and they said,
"trumpet player, you're dragging those parts".  Then another guy in the
band said that you don't play them like jazz figures, even though in a
big band setting, they would have been perfect as jazz riffs.  When I went back
to the straight eigths, they were happy, even though it felt choppy.
So what it was, I had to develp the latin swing, which was totally different 
than what I was used to from the big bands I had played with.

>>     ...  Who do they have?  Tony Oxley, while not in the LJCO is still
>> a part of the London scene, is Cecil Taylor's choice on drums.
>
>Grew up with Derek Bailey. Interesting critter. If that's your standard of a
>good jazz drummer, I submit de Johnette doesn't make it either.

sure he does.  and so does Sonny Greer, Sonny Payne, Sam Woodyard, and 
Kenny Clarke.  Do I have to say?  Oxley is a good drummer from one part 
of the history, DJ is a good drummer from a different part of  the history, 
as are the other examples.

as for DJ, see Triplicate, by Dave Holland, Steve Coleman, and Jack DeJohnette.

Jeff
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