HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heinz@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz)
Subject: Re: Erlanger Baby (was 'diverses')
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:44:02 GMT

dhey@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann) writes:

>In article <psima01.721478591@convex> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
>>Die Gruenen haben eine 7000-Unterschriften-Liste , die sich gegen
>>das "Erlanger Baby" richten (d.h. abschalten)

>Finde ich ganz schoen menschenverachtend von den Gruenen und den 7000
>Unterzeichnern, dem Erlanger Baby das Recht abzusprechen, geboren zu
>werden.
>Wenn ich die moegliche Beeintraechtigung der Wuerde der verstorbenen
>Mutter ('Gebaermaschine') gegen das Leben des (noch nicht geborenen)
>Kindes abwaege, wuerde ich fuer das Leben des Kindes votieren.
>Zumal ich mir durchaus vorstellen kann, dass es im Sinne der verstorbenen
>Mutter waere, dass ihr Kind zur Welt kommt.
>Die Gruenen vertreten doch sonst immer die Position, dass die Entscheidung
>ueber Schwangerschaftsabbruch oder -fortsetzung allein der Mutter zusteht.

Aber Dirk - die Entscheidung wurde von einer staatlichen Institution
getroffen!!! Kannst Du Dir vorstellen, dass die Gruenen so etwas 
akzeptieren koennen?
Wenn, sagen wir mal hypothetischerweise, ein "Alternatives" Krankenhaus
(z.B. in der Hafenstrasse :-) ) dasselbe machen wuerde, waeren die
Gruenen voll dahinter.

>Hier aber wollen sie als 'moralische Oeffentlichkeit' den Betroffenen
>einen Schwangerschaftsabbruch von aussen aufoktroieren.
>Ich denke, dass eine derartige Entscheidung den Eltern der Verstorbenen
>und den beteiligten Aerzten ueberlassen werden muss, wobei natuerlich
>individuelle Umstaende wie auch Ethik-Gesichtspunkte mit einfliessen.

Ganz meine Meinung.
Sind wir uns nicht einig dass es wohl im Sinne der Mutter waere, das Kind
um jeden Preis auf die Welt zu bringen?????

>Dirk

-- 
Martin Heinz
University of Texas at Austin
heinz@math.utexas.edu
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                      Visualize Whirled Peas !

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: Hitlerjunge Quex
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:25:57 GMT

This movie is in the catalogue of that Indiana German
language film club.  I've seen the movie and it might be
worth renting.  It is about the many 1930s clashes
between the Communists and the Nazis in Germany before the
Nazis were able to get complete power.  The boy's father
is a Communist activist but the non-political boy joins the
the Hitler Youth for a variety of reasons, leading to conflict.
(The sound on the video is a little weak, as I recall, so
non-native German speakers would have to turn the audio
up high.  There are no subtitles.)  ----  Mike Willett
From: adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Internet
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:43:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Weiss jemand zufaellig, wie es an der Uni Regensburg ist?  Koennen Studenten
dort eine e-mail Adresse kriegen?  Oder ist es total unmoeglich? 
-- 
____________________________________________________________
rob adkisson         ____   A young flirt of Ceylon
                     \bi/   Who led the boys on, 
                      \/    Playing 'Follow the Leda'!
U. of Texas, Austin         Succumbed to a swan -- Ogden Nash  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.indian
From: lopi@di.unipi.it (Lopi)
Subject: PostCards wanted
Summary: postcard wanted from your countries
Keywords: postcard
Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:43:00 GMT

Hello, I'm collecting postcards from everywhere in the world,
Can you send me a postcard from your country?
I will send you back one from Italy.

Thanks, Fabio

Address is:

		Fabio Lopiano
		Casa dello Studente 
		Piazza San Silvestro 12
			56100 Pisa
			ITALY
From: ros@rossi.han.de (Alexander Rossner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Organization: private site
Subject: Re: Violence updates: it's now up to the others
	<1992Nov07.223951.9197@tpki.toppoint.de>
	<1992Nov8.170809.8965@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov9.134634.5404@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
Reply-To: ros@rossi.han.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 22:27:26 MET

In <1992Nov9.134634.5404@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>, Joern Baier writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.170809.8965@infodev.cam.ac.uk> etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Edmund Grimley-Evans) writes:
>>|> According to a representative opinion poll in Germany of INFAS 32 % of those
>>|> interviewed stated that "nationalsocialism has had its good sides".
>>
>>Alles hat seine gute Seite, sogar Nationalsozialismus. Ich finde es erstaunlich,
>>dass 68% der Bevoelkerung diese uninteressante Tatsache nicht verstehen.
>Ich gehoere zu den 68% der Bevoelkerung, die am Nationalsozialismus nicht
>eine einzige gute Seite sehen. Daher bitte ich Dich, Edmund, einmal darzu-
>stellen, welche guten Seiten Du am Nationalsozialismus siehst.
>
>Ich werde den Eindruck nicht los, dass Lutz Vieweg und Alexander Rossner
>unerwartete Unterstuetzung aus dem Vereinigten Koenigreich bekommen.

Ach Baierlein,

tanzt du immer noch den Ringelpieps mit Sanio&Co: 'Alle die nicht meiner Meinung,
sind, gehoeren zu den Nazis ?'

Traurig, wenn junge Studenten schon ideologisch so verbohrt sind und nur
noch vorgefertigte Meinungen nachplappern koennen.

Kannst du irgendwie belegen, was du hier andeutest - natuerlich nicht, und 
deshalb bricht jetzt wieder das grosse Schweigen aus.

Aber wie schrieb E.S. so schoen: 'es ist ermuedend mit dogmatisch Linken zu
diskutieren' - dem kann ich nichts hinzufuegen.


-- 
        Alexander Rossner                      ros@rossi.han.de
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: diverses
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:18:40 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s4.ira.uka.de

Ergaenzungen:

Einen "Naturpark Nordschwarzwald" (oder so aehnlich, was zaehlt
ist die Idee, nicht der Name) wird es entgegen frueheren
Ankuendigungen nicht geben, da die CDU/SPD-Koalition nicht be-
reit ist, die ca. 1 Mio. DM fuer das erforderliche Gutachten
zu bewilligen.

Was viele noch nicht wussten:
Unfallforscher haben herausgefunden, dass die Hauptursache
fuer Massenunfaelle (bei Autos) zu geringer Sicherheitsab-
stand bei zu hoher Geschwindigkeit ist.
Wer haette das gedacht???
-- 


Stefan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: Translation help, bitte.
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:50:33 GMT

In article <1dr9etINNs67@iraul1.ira.uka.de> s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
   In article <1dn6tjINNcie@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
   >
   >In the course of some research into Middle East history, I need
   >to interpret the following sentence from German Foreign Ministry
   >archives (1941):
   >
   >    Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des 
   >    im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht 
   >    lebenden Judentums sein.
   >
   >I have two professional translations, namely:
   >
   >(a) Germany's only objective would then be solely the destruction 
   >    of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the
   >    protection of British power.
   >(b) Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region 
   >    would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under
   >    British protection in Arab lands.

   The problem is, roughly speaking, that the literal translation is more
   of (a), while the desired goal of the Nazi regime was (b).

Since the original question was without 20/20 vision (aka hindsight),
so I would go with comparable double-talk...

The German objective would then solely [I don't know, but I think it
reflect 'lediglich' better, even though 'only' does sound better] be
the destruction of the Jewry living under the protection of the
British power (or without really distorting the meaning: under the
protection of Britain) in the Arab lands.

The key to the translation of Judentum is to translate it as jewry - 
jewry comes close in meaning to the connotations Judentum has in
German: 
* the people as such
* its culture, the religion
* the conspiracy (as in Weltjudentum, or the Protocol of the Elders of
Zion)
[the English 'jewry' does not seem to reflect the conspiracy theory,
but its the closest you can get in English]

mike
--

Michael Gschwind, Dept. of VLSI-Design, Vienna University of Technology
mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at	(*) BOZO is a registered 
(currently somewhere in             trademark of Bush/Quayle 92
the Bay Area, back sometime     (*) UNIX is a registered 
at the end of this year)	    trademark of AT&T
From: holz@adam.fb-inf2 (E. Holz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: marx-engels platz
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:06:29 GMT
Reply-To: holz@adam.fb-inf2
Organization: Humboldt-Uni.

In article 721559665@gmd.de, wegner@gmd.de (Eberhard Wegner) writes:
>Das Ding heisst schon "Hackescher Markt".
Nein - nur die S-Bahnstation heisst so, Hackescher Markt und Marx-Engels-Platz sind 
zwei verschiedene Plaetze.
>Das ist nicht gegen Marx oder Engels gerichtet, denn schon im alten
>"Berlin (West)" gab es eine Karl-Marx-Allee. EW
Die heisst natuerlich Karl-Marx-Strasse (Neukoelln?), die Karl-Marx-Allee ist in
Bln./Friedrichshain.


E.
holz@informatik.hu-berlin.de
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Demonstration in Berlin Sun 8 Nov 92
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:33:56 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <1992Nov13.070655.17931@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>         I think that instead of putting the blame for this or that on Autono-
>men, or skinheads, we should get back to the root of the problem: Hypocritical
>Politicians and Racist FuckHeads. In this way we might actually get to solve a
>real problem rather than creating new false ones.

Well put.  That pretty much sums up the current situation in Germany.
Well, no, it doesn't sum it up *completely*, but it does hit one of
the many nails (or rather two? -- giving the statements of some of
the politicians, maybe only one) right square on the head.  My
earlier remark was perhaps a little flip, sorry.

Andrew
From: mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Violence updates: it's now up to the others
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:43:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov9.134634.5404@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier) writes:
>Ich gehoere zu den 68% der Bevoelkerung, die am Nationalsozialismus nicht
>eine einzige gute Seite sehen. Daher bitte ich Dich, Edmund, einmal darzu-
>stellen, welche guten Seiten Du am Nationalsozialismus siehst.
>Ich werde den Eindruck nicht los, dass Lutz Vieweg und Alexander Rossner
>unerwartete Unterstuetzung aus dem Vereinigten Koenigreich bekommen.

Nur weil die NS-Regierung soviel Unheil in Deutschland und anderswo angerichtet
hat, ist noch lange kein Grund alles zu verurteilen, was der Nationalsozialismus/Faschismus hergebracht hat.
Fuer die Industrie hat der Faschismus z. B. die Arbeitskraft vereint, Streiks
verboten, sodass es keine Produktionsluecken gab. Allerdings befuerworte ich
so etwas nicht, da die Interessen der Industrie nicht die Interesse der
Bevoelkerung ueberwiegen sollen.

MS


-- 
	      Die Intelligenz verfolgt Dich, doch Du bist schneller...
Internet: mxsst1@pitt.edu, anonymus+1118@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu             :)
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Demonstration in Berlin Sun 8 Nov 92
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:11:48 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <BxIHx9.Jss@unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> rechtien@ganymed.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Jens-Heiner Rechtien) writes:
> Maybe the CDU guys are right,
>when they say that the "Autonomen" don't care about the topic of
>a demonstration, they just want to smash some windows.

More or less the same reason a lot of the skinheads do what they do:
they want to get off.  Right?  But where does this observation lead
us?  (*Not* a rhetorical question!)

Leaving lurking behind,
Andrew Shields

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jay@nectarine.ucsb.edu (Martel;Jay;S.;CS;;COMS;Undergrad;921231;;500)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: WWWWWWOOOOOWWWWWW!
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:32:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <1992Nov6.221228.5355@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	This character seems to think that married women are to be the
>property of their husbands. Good grief!
>
>	And how is an independent woman like a prostitute?
>
>	And why is being a prostitute supposed to be so terrible, when
>it seems to be OK for a man to go to prostitutes? Why aren't men who
>go to prostitutes administered some suitable Islamic punishment, such
>as being kicked in the balls?
>
>/Loren


Dear Ms. Petrich,

	On behalf of all fun-loving and freedom-fighting men of the World, I
apologize to you and all other women. I assure you that the era of chauvinism,
hatred, and blind judgement is soon to be behind us. Of course, it will require
a lot of understanding, tongue-biting, and plain forgiving.

Peacefully Yours,


Payam Afkham-Ebrahimi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Aryan symbols
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:27:43 GMT

Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid writes:
> Could someone kindly tell me if old Aryan symbols still exist in 
> Iran today. In Germany under Hitler, they revived the old Germanic
> symbols the swastika and the old style SS for the Schutz Stafel.
> In India, the reverse swastika is still quite common.
> Thanks in advance.
> Mustafa Saiyid
> 

Yes but with some modifications:


                  (__)    ^
                  (oo)   /
              _____\/___/
             /  /\ / /
            ^  /  * /
              / ___/
         *----/\
             /  \
            ^    ^

       LETS PARTY DUDE!



FarhAd
From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: A Physicist Friend Looking for a Job
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:06:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu

A young friend of mine who is a very qualified Ph.D. physicist (Solid State,
Quantum Theory) is looking for a job. He has extensive experience in
simulations C, Unix and Fortran. In short he would like to try his hands
in computer field. Please let me know if there are any openings in
your department for an entry level job which fits his qualifications.

--jamshid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: still looking for answers
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:15:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.034645.6626@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:

>In article <massoud.11.720903231@chemteca.sdsu.edu>, massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
 
>|> No, you are wrong. The intensities are not the same.
>
>What rubbish!  You just stated in an earlier post that "there are lots
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of things that men don't understand about women," but now you're an 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>authority on general patterns of sexual arousal?  What makes you think
>that there are any general truths about what counts as erotic to whom?
>At least any that are of any interest?

If I am not mistaken, you are confusing Massoud Ajami with me! Those are
my words, and are under copyright law. If you refer to them, you should
state my name, otherwise I and Mortazavi publishing company are going to
sue you.  :-)

Seyyed.

p.s. Massoud and I are both right! The knowledge of man is very little 
     compared to his ignorance, but he still can understand lots of things.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrc.utc.com (ALI BABA)
Subject: TAX HUMOR
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:58:00 GMT

			WITH MALICE TOWARD SUMS

Two score and some years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this nation a
new tax, conceived in desperation and dedicated to the proposition that all
men are created equally fair game.

Now we are engaged in a great mass of calculations, testing whether this
taxpayer any taxpayer so confused and so impoverished can long endure.

We are met on Form 1040.  We have come to dedicate a large portion of our
income to a final resting place with those men who here spend their lives
that they may spend our money.

It is altogether anguish and torture that we should do this, but in a legal
sense we cannot evade; we cannot cheat; we cannot underestimate this tax. 
The collectors, clever and sly who compute here, have gone far beyond our
poor power to add or subtract.

Our creditors will little note nor long remember what we paid here, but the
Internal Revenue Service can never forget what we report here.

It is for us taxpayers rather to be devoted here to the tax which the
government has thus far so nobly spent.  It is from these vanquished dollars
that we take increased devoion to the few remaining; that we here highly
resolve that next year shall not find us in a higher income bracket; that
this taxpayer, underpaid, shall figure out more deductions, and that
taxation of the people, by the Congress, and for the government, shall not
cause our solvency to perish from the earth.


                    ********************************
                    * ALI BABA, not an old legend, * 
                    *   But a new guardian angel   *          
                    ********************************


Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eeajm@sunvis2.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza)
Subject: Re: Anybody from HADAF High School?
Keywords: HADAF high school
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:51:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct27.170108.24272@telesoft.com> mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone) writes:
>In <1992Oct27.063317.9798@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
>> It sort of reminds me of Bill Clinton. In one of his speeches, he said
>> "IF YOU CAN NOT BE RIGHT, BE WRONG AS LOUD AS YOU CAN" (refering to Bush)
>> hmmmm.... how right he was!!!!   :)
>
>> You are right. You should not mention the sport. Because, Alborz's 
>> record speaks for itself.
>
>Let's see,  we are talking about football,  vollyball, basketball, and track.
>I think these are the major high school sports,  right?  I think Alborz
>did pretty good in ping pong though,  don't laugh,  I am seriuos.  So,  do
>you mind telling us Alborz's shining record in the other 4  events. 
>
>
>P.S. If you are interested,  I can mention some very famous and successful
>Iranian athletes whom graduated from Hadaf high school.
>
>--Mehregan

Salaam doostane garami,

One night in Mississippi when all our friends were sitting and 
talking to each other, one of us raised a question that I 
thought it might be interesting to raise it here in the net.

The question was "what would be your five most important advice
to iranian government?".

For example, someone said "I would ask the Iran's government to 
put most of his effort into building as many sport club as 
possible", and so on....

Please contribute if you wish.

Thanks 
Alireza.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:44:44 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <12NOV199217135617@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>
>P.S.
> Satan is just a stupid computer nickname! Like calling you Agha Javad, instead
>of Khanem Javad.
>Satan.

Ya majnoon:

It might be advisable to get rid of such a name, unless you really are
proud of carrying it.

asinA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahman@ee.umanitoba.ca (Bahman S Kermanshahi)
Subject: Joke-e az Ghotba jan
Reply-To: bahman@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:04:23 GMT


Selam,

Ye rooz ye Rashti zood-tar az har-rooz barmigardeh khoone dar ra ke
baz mikone mibineh posht-e dar-e otagh-e khab ye joft kafsh-e mardaneh
joft shode mige:

    Auuuuuuu baz ye joke-e jadid.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Amoo Noroz)
Subject: Re: Farsi Word processors etc.
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:10:38 GMT

Khanomha va Aghayan aziz:

I like to unzip the ARIA.ZIP and I do not have the utility. Please tell me
where would I find a copy of such utility and the instructions.

Thank you so much,  khaily as komak shoma mamnonam,

   Naser
      email: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: Saddam and Bush defeat
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:38:17 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Javad I think you are cleaver enough to know that the Iraqi people tried 
>many times to get rid off the dictator Saddam, the latest was the uprising 
>after the so called the Gulf war, but the same 28 countries mainly USA 
>and the West stand by and helped Saddam to crush the uprising not to 
>mentioned the (P.L.O) and the (M.K.O) who killed thousands of innocent 
>women and chidren especially in the south.
>

Dear MG

No disputing this, and I hope the people find a way out some day.  Also,
the coalition did not help Saddam put down the rebellion.  As for the MKO,
they have no credibility in our people's eyes ever since they sided with 
Iraq. And I think saying "especially in the south" is quite unfair, since
the north has suffered just as much if not more, in severe mountain conditions,
and now they're getting it from the Turks, too.

So, in short, I know they tried to get rid of their dictator, I'm just saying
how hard change is when fascism rules, reminiding us once again how important
democracy and freedom of speech, thought, and religion are.

>M.G
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K

Agha Javad
(baghghal -e- shoma bachehAy-e-khoob)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: apayravi@sedona.intel.com (Ali Payravi)
Subject: Traditional music in Phoenix Area
Originator: apayravi@sedona
Reply-To: apayravi@sedona.intel.com (Ali Payravi)
Organization: MSCG Group, Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:22:26 GMT


Hi

Just a Reminder & a note:

There would be a presentation of the Traditional Persian Music on NOV 27 
(Friday) at 8:00 pm in the Mesa Hilton Pavilion, If you are interested 
of getting ticket, I would be glad to get it for you.  You can also get
the ticket from APADANA rest.  The cost is  $8 for Adults, and $4 for 
children.  

This is the first time (at least since I have come to AZ) that a 
Traditional Music Group has been formed and unless we do not support them, 
would not last long.

Here are more information:

Saman Mahmoudi     ----  Soloist (Santour)
Nader Yaghaneh     ----  Vocal
Poupak Tavakouli   ---   Santour
Payvand Tavakouli  ---   Zarb
Bahram Ghouhar'riz ---   Daf

 
After the traditional Music, the second portion of the program will include 
Pop/Dance music.


Hope to see you there. 
Regards,
ali
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian