From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:47:03 GMT

In article <lsr-181292123812@lsr.taligent.com> lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.050708.1488@cubetech.com>, andrew@cubetech.com
>(Andrew Loewenstern) wrote:
>> 
>> 2)  Here you have a company, Apple, which basically taught it's
>> employees to hate I.B.M. for years and years (I've seen a slide that
>
>The press made a big deal of this, but they got it mostly wrong.  Taligent
>was not formed by taking 100 Apple engineers and 100 IBM engineers and
>putting them together.  It's more accurate to say that the core of Taligent
>was formed by a group of Apple engineers and that other people were hired
>(some of whom happened to have worked for IBM or Metaphor).  The corporate
>culture is much like Apple's (better IMHO) and there hasn't been any kind
>of clash with IBM's corporate culture.

Again, it doesn't sound like a joint venture.  Perhaps IBM and Apple
each own 50% or something like that, but it sounds like Apple
basically got venture capital from IBM for Pink.  They basically gave
their crown jewels away.  If "It's more accurate to say that the core
of Taligent was formed by a group of Apple engineers and that other
people were hired (some of whom happened to have worked for IBM or
Metaphor)." why then did Apple not just hire those same people with
out getting IBM involved.  NeXT has obviously not had any trouble
getting the right people together.  Why does Apple need IBM?  Why is
there a Taligent in the first place?  To get cheap processors?  Surely
Apple would have no trouble putting together a really good OO-OS.  It
smells like marketing BS to me.

>> OS/2, and Apple talks about doing the same thing with System 7.  Where
>> is the joint product.
>
>Perhaps you're right about this, because I don't think of Taligent's
>product as a joint product.  It's a Taligent product.

If it's not an Apple product, then Apple basically threw away their
future in the high-end.  If I were an Apple stockholder, I would be
PISSED.  Steve Jobs is right.  Apple is becoming the Sony of
microcomputers.

>> I bet nothing comes of Taligent but a major "lovers spat" where IBM
>> and Apple come out with separate, competing products.
>
>I might take the bet about nothing coming out of Taligent, because I think
>you will see a product.  But you are 100% right that Apple and IBM will
>continue to compete with one another.  

No, I don't mean that nothing will come from the work at Taligent, I
mean that there won't be a Taligent product from which both Apple and
IBM make money.  Which you basically confirmed.  It sounds like Xerox
PARC where Apple and IBM get to directly steal technology.  If I read
this right, then IBM is getting a sweet deal for free and Apple is
basically getting fucked.


andrew
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