HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: rats
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:47:58 GMT

The best thing to do about the rats that come from lab reserch (generaly
white?) is to crose them with rats that wernt from lab resurch. The
reason they are more seceptible to tings is because lab rodent are heavely
inbreed so that they are a homozygous speaces (this is to make the tests
more acurate-there is no varience in reaction do to genetics) this makes 
them very seceptible to deasesis. Croses are good because the increas the
gene pool and are often hardier then pure breads (there are breads of dogs
that have the same problem)

Elf-Kin
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:25:18 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov19.164342.1@fnalno.fnal.gov>, holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:

> If there is no power-over in place, why enshrine power-over in 
> the name of the system?  "Archy" means "rule", as in coercion.
> 
> If it is a set of values, not a gender, being valued over the 
> other, why enshrine either gender in the name of the system 
> and not derscribe the values?
> 
> How about calling it Omnifocal?

Riane Eisler suggested that it wasn't really Patriarchy and Matriarchy
that we were talking about at all.  She suggests that Androcracy
better describes our dominant culture, a world governed by men.  She
also said that the word we used to describe ancient cultures, and the
culture we should create now, matriarchy, did not accurately describe
what we mean.  She suggested using a term that would link men and
women in partnership.  She chose the begininning sylables of the words
Gyno and Andro and linked them with an l.  She suggests the word
Gylanic better describes a culture of partnership.

And Daniel (I got your name right this time!), I have to reblock
everything when I quote your text.  Your lines are just too damn long.
Is there anyway you could reblock them?  Your text is the only one I
have had problems with so far. Maybe if you could lop things off at
about 70 characters or so, my editor wouldn't choke on your posts. 


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PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
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From: traite@eros.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the five stages
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:23:17 GMT
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University


 They are from  Elisabeth Kubler-Ross's Book _On Death and Dying_ .
 She outlines the "typical" stages people go through when they are
 faced with a termimal illness.  The stages can also be applied to
 any loss such as the end of a relationship, the loss of a job etc.
 
 I heartily reccomend the book!

 Blessings.

 Shirley
 (I was social worker before I got sick being laid-off)
 
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Statistical Programmer                   |
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Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: How the hell can religion and action not be related?
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:39:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.113750.14003@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: 
>: Way to go Bill, why is that there are so many pagans that have a hate for
>: christians just because they are christian?
>
>Beats me. I have asked that question here a number of times. Apparently,
>Pagans are as uncapable of forgiving and of tolerance as many Christians.
>It seems to be a part of human nature.
>
>Bill

Bill;  It is part of human nature to hate that which you fear.  Twenty
years ago I found the "silent majority" humourous.  As they became less
and less silent my amusement turned to concern.  In the last few years
that concern has been justified by the behavior of many fundamentalist
christians.  It is hard to be forgiving and tolerant of organized groups
who develop think-tanks for the sole purpose of eliminating pagans, liberals,
and homosexuals and other free people from society.  They are validating
any potential paranoia we have.

Unless I am mistaken you attended a Samhain circle at Sweetbriar Farm two
years ago.  Do you remember the night.  Fifty or so celebrants, a light
drizzle and everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves.  While the ritual
was going on there was a shot far off in the hills.  I watched several
people duck or hit the ground.  The shot was far away and could not have
been aimed at anyone in the circle but there was enough worry about some
of the attitudes of the neighboring farms that people were worried.

That worry leads to hate and intolerance.  Since that time the OCA has
risen to be a force in Oregon politics if not in Corvallis.  There is
no organized general population body to oppose them, and their message
of hate, biogotry and pursecution continues unabated.  The OCA and others
sympathetic to tunnel view of society will continue to preach hate and
fear.

Their is an agenda out there of attack on free thought, civil liberties
and "non-mainstream" lifestyles.  .....hmmmmm I digress from my point.

In short...when you see social, verbal and physical attacks coming from
a particular group you are justified in being unforgiving and intolerant
of their behavior.
BB
casspa

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From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:00:49 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <7793@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.083707.29169@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
<deleted>>
>	At least in the Texas incident, the death toll would have been MUCH
>lower if there had been ONE armed, trained and responsible citizen in there.
>
I see. You want *everyone* packing a pistol. 

Sorry, but *I* would suspect that if other people were carrying, you'd have
wound up with *many* more victims, from the gunfight. If, on the other hand,
a number of the people had said, "he's gonna kill me, I might as well die 
stopping him", instead of just one person, he could have been stopped a lot 
sooner. There are certainly plenty of people who would, even if packing,
have been afraid to reach for the gun, or use it, anyway.

There was an incident a few years back, where this woman who was off her
rocker carried a rifle (and maybe more weapons, I don't remember) into
Springfield Mall, in a suburb of Philly. She killed 5 people, I think. 
Finally, somebody behind her just said "the hell with this", and tackled
her, disarming her, then sitting on her till the cops came.

We don't need more guns, we need people willing to *do* something. I could
have sworn people *admired* Wyatt Earp when he instituted the "Dodge City
Rule". I thought they were under the impression it meant civilization had
come.

	mark
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Mikey
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:52:56 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BxyuI3.G7I@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>     ....which brings me to my question:  I'd like a child someday, and I've
>>been wondering how best to introduce my being a Pagan.  You know...how to
>>explain, deal with questions and criticism from other parents, playmates,
>>teachers, etc.  Please, folk; give me your advice and wisdom--a friend of mine
>>is Wiccan and pregnant, and she's wondering the same thing, as we both live 
>>in Montana.  Montana is a very scary state to me.  Never have it been so
>>necessary for me to hide what I am, and she is one of three pagans I've met
>>in this state. 

Umm...there are a number of folks practicing traditional tribal religions
in Montana. They might be sympathetic if you can find them. Make it clear
that you practice a different rite, though. A lot of traditional religion
people are very nervous about non-members of their religion asking questions. 

>So if they were asked in school about it, or with their friends, they
>would say we `talked to the great spirit' or `we had quiet time'. 
>We had the same concerns about the using the words pagan and wiccan out
>of context and having social services or whoever showing up at our door.

You might want to check out the methods traditional religion people have
used to foil the BIA. There are folks out there with generations of practice
at ducking social services. If you can meet educated native folks who
aren't on the Jesus path, some of them can be very helpful.

>So we thought, until they get older, we can teach the morals that we
>believe in and involve them in ritual to a certain degree, but until they
>are old enough to speak intelligently about paganism, we felt it would
>be `safer' to use less inflammatory terminology. It's probably a bit of
>a cop out, but the witch hunters are out there and some of them would have
>no qualms at all about hurting or abducting our children if they were to
>talk about who we really are. They have heard us say that we are pagan
>but I don't think they really understand what that means.

A very good idea. The usual scam is to label it abuse and terminate your
parental rights. Hurting kids is not too likely; but having the government
steal them is a real possibility. The term 'diety' is safer than great
spirit, too. (Great Spirit has negative connotations to a lot of traditional
religion people sense it was a term foisted on them/us by Christian missiona-
ries as part of their cannibal death cult.)

>Does that help?
>
>Blessings
>al
>
>-- 
>Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
>"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>MY opinions are not to be construed as those of my employer.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:25:47 GMT

In article <92325.110241IO20393@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20393@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>A reading suggestion..._The Skeptical Feminist_ by Barbara G Walker
>She's a bit anti-men at times, but it's definately a thought-provoking
>book!
>Blessings,
>amy rae

I second this -- it's wonderful.  There's a lot of anger in it, but I
detected no HATE directed toward men.  Just anger.  Besides, when she
gets going, she can have the deadliest wit I've ever encountered.

Blessings,
Janis 

Xref: sparky alt.pagan:13208 talk.religion.misc:21819
From: nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong (was: Re: Tolerance of Others)
Summary: alt.pagan
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



     Absolute right?  Absolute wrong?  WHAT'S THAT???  These are things
each individual needs to decide for himself or herself; after all, isn't
that what that big grey mass on top of our shoulders is for???

     As for the issue of neo-Nazi sentiments, it will accomplish nothing
to slap another right/wrong label on them.  This sentiment grows in the
lower-income white neighborhoods.  These people consequently make them-
selves both the oppressor and the oppressed.  They bow down to the
dominant white culture that runs our government, most of our businesses,
our television programming, and in general, our culture.  While they
hope for a "kick back" from the dominant white culture, they take their
agressions on the less fortunate people, primarily non-whites.

     The issue at hand is how we, as human beings, can all live on this
planet.  This involves dealing with the inequities of all groups of
people, with the OBJECTIVE of finding the means for everyone to co-
exist.  Nazi principles conflict with this objective, as it propogates
this same theme of "finding someone else to take your shit out on."  I
would certainly hope that there are enough people out there committed
to ironing out the numerous differences between the various cultures
that exist on this planet, and not just go around pointing fingers at
people.

     I don't know if that's RIGHT, or if it's WRONG, but it sounds like
a damn good idea if we are to survive on this planet as a species.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Help for a friend
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:16:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181056.28242@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>	I'm back! and I'm _finally_ using my real name. For those of you who
>respected my privacy and did not ask my real name, I used to call myself
>Rosaleen Dhu on the .nets.

Welcome back! (your dreams we're your ticket out... :^)

>office. He (D) has been, in the past, what he calls a "weirdness magnet",
>and past experience has taught me that there are, in fact, people who
>attract magical activity and have the ability to sense it.

     Interesting...I, too, would be a considered a "weirdness magnet" (gotta
find a better term for that)....it seems that I have met an extraordinarily
high number of wiccans/pagans in my life, considering that for four years I
went to a small college (Clarkson Univ.) and between the people I knew there
and at nearby Potsdam (NY) St., most of them seemed to have wiccan/pagan
leanings (I myself was raised a Roman Catholic (asbestos suit on)).  Is 
there any reason for this sort of "phenomenon", or is it that there are more
"closet" pagans than we all realize?

>	Thoughts/comments/ideas? D's not real worried for himself, but he's
>afraid for his co-worker. He'd like to know what she (the priestess) can "do"
>to either D or his co-worker, and what they can expect.
>					Jess
>"All the cute ones are mutants..."--?

Well, as was explained to me, the priestess can do no more than what D's co-
worker thinks that she can do.  Of course, between all the pagans I know, I've
heard a LOT of contradictory ideas...

Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ. 
jdh@math.psu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: LLNL
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 08:08:39 GMT

In article <lg2o00INNido@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:

>kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:

>Are you a fan of Valeri Solanas (sp?) and her book _SCUM_, the Society
>for Cutting Up Men?  She has some terrific hate quotes about males being
>incomplete females and walking abortions because Y chromosomes look like
>incomplete X chromosomes.  You might want to look up her book for a good
>laugh, she has a very entertaining writing style. ...

	Is this anything like:

		Why Cucumbers are Better than Men

		[long list of reasons]

	which was devised as a response to

		Why Beer is Better than Women

		[long list of reasons]

	I would only recommend popping this list on some crude
misogynist. Someone like Rush Limbaugh, perhaps, who thinks that women
should be more like dogs (obedient) than like cats (independent and
standoffish). If this character arouses your curiosity, transcripts of
his radio show and discussions of him may be found in
alt.rush-limbaugh and alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. But one may ask if he
_deserves_ any advertising.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: How the hell can religion and action not be related?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:32:47 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Nov20.022738.29225@trl.oz.au>, banerjee@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Arindam Banerjee) writes:
> > 
> Because of this law of karma, India's many and wide conquests were
> purely cultural and not military. 

Weren't there conquests within India?  I mean, of one part of India over
another?  Historically, hasn't the Indian subcontinent usually been several
different countries with warfare between them?  In particular, hasn't
the northern portions of India conquered the southern portions? 

I would think that the geographical isolation of the subcontinent would
have something to do with the fact that these battles never reached
the outside.  Not that I'm disagreeing with your point, but I think you
stated it too strongly, and with a bit of rose tint on your lenses.

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Guns & self defense
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.032137.2986@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>In article <1245@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>>
>>(article deleted)
>>
>>>Let's start a conversation about how to cure the ills of society. Once we've
>>>cured the psychoses and neuroses that make the rapists and murders, once
>>>we've abolished the causes of violent crimes, then the rest will take care 
>>>of itself. But this continuous bantering about whether a gun is an assault
>>>rifle or a hunting rifle and the advantages of one type over another is
>>>senseless and futile. Don't ban the guns, ban the uses to which they are put
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Greater social consciousness is what's needed, and you can't regulate that
>>>with a bunch of laws.
> 
>I have a problem with this. Ban self-defense? Very Hindu, and not at all
>apart of Haudanasanee tradition. 

Reread my post (mine, not Ashley's, she was quoting me). I underlined the
bit where I said ban the uses to which guns are put. I never said anything
about banning self defense. Now, where's your problem?

Bb,
Corun



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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Guns & self defense
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:21:14 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov19.030648.4387@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes...
>
> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
> 
>>gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu  (Gharlane of Eddore) writes...
>>> Don't count on it. On at least a couple occasions in my life, I
>>> stayed alive solely because I happened to be carrying a semi-automatic 
>>> pistol and be competent in its use. When you're faced with a GROUP
>>> of armed scum, unless you're as fast as greased lightning, a 
>>> revolver simply won't do the job. If I hadn't been carrying a 
>>> nice old Model 1911A-1 Colt, I'd have gotten killed. 
> 
>>	You have made a very effective argument for being armed, but I noticed 
>>something that was missing. Most of the situations you describe are avoidable.
> 
>I read his post again and did not see any avoidable situations listed.
> 
>I figured maybe he is a regular poster and the situations you refered
>to are in an older post of his?   What are the avoidable situations 
>described by him that you are refering to?


	Nope, his E-mail to me detailed the situation. There may have been a 
way out of his *specific* situation, but I don't see it. I am posting this view 
though because a marshal arts teacher I was once instructed by told me that 
there was *no* situation where one could not escape withouth the use of 
violence. The entire class tried to find holes in this and he carefully 
detailed a way out of each one. All involved non-violence and the class was 
taught to us just before a non-violent civil disobedience action.

	I *know* that there must be a way out, but I am not the expert 
in the martial arts that my teacher was and I cannot find it. And that solution 
*does not* mean buying a house in a better neighborhood or living in a 
protective cage, it is simple and direct and occurs in the situation. 

	I wish I could remember the name of the marshal art that this 
"avoidance" philosiphy is contained in, but all I remember is the instructor's 
name was Mark and he taught the class in Trukee, CA in 1984 or 1985.



				- Ashley
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.politics.guns
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.062412.19164@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
>
>	Hey, why don't you and Janis get sandwich boards saying
>"Repent! The End of the World is Nigh!" Growing very long beards would
>add to the total effect, but I guess Janis can skip that part.

Hey..what do you know...a cheap shot..I always did enjoy those.  Let me
take one of my own.  From the tone of your article you sound like one of
those right-wing types who would rather label someone than promote
communication.  I'm sure you are familiar with them.  The unshakeable
faith in their economic philosophy in the face of grim social, cultural
and environmental reality.  The unthinking, uncaring and unaware folks
who believe that their belief systems and their lack of social and 
environmental agendas is sufficient to house the homeless, feed the
hungry and restore degraded eco-systems.  That a derogatory label is
a substitute for a reasoned discourse.

I am not saying that you belong in that class, only that you sound as
though you do.  However - this IS a cheap shot - so if the label fits..
wear it in good health.

One of the things that bothered me about your post was your complete
lack of caring about Janice's feelings and concerns.  It might help
your growth as a human being if you attempted some understanding 
rather than slinging insults.  You might even try convincing her that
she has nothing to worry about.  If you can do that - please convince
me too.

>	Best estimates of the Sun's stable future is about 20 billion
>years, FYI. It's a real mellow G-type.
>
>						Kayembee

 4.5 billion or 20 billion, the question is academic.
 
Oh yes - the beard business is out.  Although I am well into middle age
I have yet to be able to grow a beard.  I do however, have a scruffy 
moustache - will that do?
Paul

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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