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From: mhartzel@melbourne.cba.du.edu (Mark_Hartzell)
Subject: Re: review of some new telemark gear
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.230429.29653@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>  
susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein) writes:
> 
> I had the opportunity to demo some of the new telemark gear on the
> market last weekend at Monarch and thought others on the net might be
> interested:
> 
> 1) Kazama Couloir.  This is THE BEST all around telemark ski I've ever
> tried.  I currently ski on kazama outbacks, and the couloirs do
> everything at least a little bit better.  Very quick turning, good
> floatation in powder, stable cutting through crud, and reasonable
> edge-hold on colorado hardpack (AKA eastern packed powder, AKA utah ice
> :-).  A really lively, fun ski.  Not a quantum leap above current tele
> skis, but at least a small step up.  Lack of a metal topsheet means that
> they aren't as likely to bend in the bumps the way Tuas do.
> 
> 2) 1993 Black Diamond Tele sauvage.  This is a really stable ski,
> excellent edge hold on hardpack (better than the couloir) stable in
> powder/crud, but slower turning than the Couloirs and just not as
> lively.  Compared to the Couloirs they felt heavy and clunky.
	
	I ski on the tele-sauvage, and I love them.  I am an aggressive  
skier and have not bent them yet(the only flaw in the ski is the metal  
topsheet).  This years version have some improvements over mine.  However,  
the ski could only get better.
> 
> 3) Black Diamond terminator telemark boot.  This is the new all-plastic
> tele boot.  Extremely stiff, it feels like putting on an alpine ski
> boot.  The ones I tried had around 3 days of skiing on them and were
> "partially broken in" according to the black diamond rep.  Even so, I
> had to put 100% of my weight on the trailing foot to get them to bend
> under the ball of the foot, which made control of the front ski
> "interesting".  Forward lean is adjustable, but totally fixed at
> whatever angle you adjust it to (no ankle flex at all).  I found this to
> be a major disadvantage, as I'm used to varying my ankle flex to adjust
> for changing snow conditions.  Another problem is that I felt like I had
> absolutely no sensitivity to what the ski was doing; I caught an edge
> numerous times before I even knew anything was wrong.  Basically, I
> hated them, and turned them back in after 2 runs.
	
	I was also able to test out the newest technology on the market.   
I currently ski Merrill Super Comps and swear by them.  The Terminators  
were very responsive, will resist shell breakdown, and have numerous bells  
and whisles.  This is the future technology, and Black Diamond has been  
the forerunner in the market.  The Terminators had some very impressive  
characteristics, but I would wait a year to make sure all the bugs were  
out of it.  Basically I liked it a lot, but I like my Merrills even more.
Mark_Hartzell@Denver.cba.du.edu

> 
> Steve
From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Whistler/Blackcomb
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:25:01 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

Has anyone stayed at the Blackcomb lodge?  What's it like?  Is night time noise
a problem in that part of the Village?  We have 2 young (5 and 8) skiers who
need their rest!

Beverly M. Zalan
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Ski Alta!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:20:41 GMT

>In article <1992Dec14.181141.6187@delfin.com> mark@delfin.com writes:
>>In contrast to year's past, there has been no gloating from the Utah
>>contingent of this newsgroup. What's the matter?

Someone didn't see my 20" post last Monday.

Unfortunately, the wind has picked up, no doubt blowing all the snow
off the mountains & into Wyoming, & 12" new, cold, fluff on the valley
floor isn't really predicted for tonight & tomorrow, & more storms
aren't predicted for Tuesday & Christmas day.

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Ski Vail.							3.0

Best advice to follow...really, it's only the legislators in Colorado
that don't like alternate lifestyles -- ski resorts are equal
opportunity money takers!

Summary:  Utah has no snow, & Idaho doesn't exist.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:11:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Are edges necessary for backcountry skiing?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
>                        ... One salesman (an Alaska native) wanted to sell us
> Kaharu XCD GTUs (waxable) which have a full metal edge and were also the
> highest priced X-C skis in the store.

These are fairly old in design and technology (and price), compared to 
what else is available today, but pretty good skis. 

> 
> 	Given that we are not that experienced X-C  skiers, do we really need
> the full-length metal edge if we want to learn telemarking or other graceful
> ways of going dowhill on X-C skis?  Would other 'off-track' skis such as the
> Fischer country series do ? (at half the price!).  Our other concern is 
> that the
> weight of the Kaharus and the heavier boots which we would buy to go with them
> would slow us down along the flats and make those heavenly treks across frozen
> lakes into arduous slogs !
> 

It depends what you want to do.  If you want to glide across the flats, get
one of the cross country skis.  If you want to go downhill and learn to 
telemark, you'll need telemark equipment.  In my opinion, a compromise set-
up will only frustrate you in both situations.

Since you're back East, I'd say that metal edges are essential if you want 
to learn to telemark.  

John

From: blakely@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Frank Blakely)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:43:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon - any X-Country skiing there?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

I spent two years in Arizona, and went to the Grand Canyon a lot (I lived in a
culturally deprived area (Arizona :-) ).  In the winter there always seemed
to be lots of snow at the North Rim, but the Park Service is closed on the
North Rim in the winter.  I never got very formal about skiing there, I just
went where ever there was enough snow.  The Grand Canyon is really spectacular
in the winter.

   ___________________________________________________________________________
  
   Frank Blakely     (Phone: 303  229-3447)    blakely@hpfela.fc.hp.com

   "Compost Happens"
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: How the Bozos Ski
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:25:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <102540@netnews.upenn.edu> mmendel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mark Mendel) writes:
>	Carved turns are harder to understand.  Following
>the description in  How the Racers Ski (by Whitterell, if I am not mistaken) 

Also, for an in depth analysis of how to have fun on skis, see my
book, "How the Bozos Ski."  Featured are such chapters as "Learn to
Tuck Before You Can Turn," "Master your Accidental Aerials", and
a new chapter for the snowboarders, "Being a Way-Cool Dude, Man." 
Following is an excerpt from the Chapter, "Master Speed, and Control
will Follow:"

  We all have experienced moments of accidentally excessive speed.
  The cardinal rule to remember in such circumstances is, whatever
  you do, DON'T TRY TO TURN.  If you do, you will almost certainly
  fall down, perhaps injuring or even killing yourself.  No, speed
  got you into this predicament, and speed will just have to get
  you out of it too.  Remember, the fewer turns you make, the sooner
  you will be at the bottom of the slope and finished with this
  horrible ordeal.  This principle applies to skiing bumps as well.
  The faster you go, the longer your trajectory will be as you
  get launched from bump to bump.  Hence, the fewer total bumps
  you will have to ski.

And, from the chapter, "Choosing the Right Ski Length:"

  In article <102545@netnews.upenn.edu> mmendel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
  (Mark Mendel) writes:
  >
  >       So, the difference between short skis and long
  >skis is: Long skis carve, and short skis windshield-wiper.

  I'm frequently asked, "Rather than a carving or windshield-wiper motion,
  my skis oft-times assume a propeller-like motion.  Does that mean
  they're too short or too long?

Read the book and find out:

  The propeller like motion is a clear indication that the length of
  your skis is *just right*.

How the Bozos Ski, available for $9.95 ($12.95 in Canada), is destined to
be one of the great skiing classics.  The New York Times said, "At last,
the largest segment of the skiing population, the bozos, have the step
by step instruction manual they've so sorely needed for so long." Eugene
Miya said, "I never go to Vail without it."

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:49:32 GMT
Summary: West vs. East - Round II


Let's forget this wimpy debate of skiers vs. snowboarders - I'm
much more in favor of a discussion that draws regional boundary
lines, battle lines, rather than this ideological psycho-babble.

The boundary of which I speak is, of course, western skiing vs.
eastern skiing.

As every informed skier knows, the skiing is vastly superior in
the West.  After all, as it's been pointed out, the skier/snowboarder
controversy is rooted in the East.  And who can blame the poor
wretches?  If the only skiing within driving distance were as
poor as it is in the East, *I'd* be irritable to the point of
picking fights too!

Consider this chart:

Factor			West			East
------			----			----

Snow			Powder			Ice
Vertical		Everest			Bunker Hill
Lines			Ski-on-lift		45 minutes
People			Party			New York	
Price			Dinner-on-me		Fort Knox req.
Crowds			I can see for miles	5th Ave.
Lift savvy		Eyes closed		STUPID veterans


I think I hear you knocking, East Coasters, but you can't come in! :-)

				-kurt(rabblerouser)ray

In article <19358.2b3051f0@ecs.umass.edu> bozek@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Why is it that skier's brains lock up when faced with the simple
>task of loading a chair?
>
>After four seasons as an operator i'm still amazed how STUPID
>even veteran skiers can be!
>
>And THEN, they blame it on US!
>
>Iv'e seen people get hurt real bad
>
>Snowboarders make the job easier because, i guess they're
>just easier to load.
>
>REMEMBER:  THIS IS CHAIRLIFT SAFETY WEEK !
>
>
>The Red Line is for loading only.
>
>If you have to load, stand on the red line! - IE: Body Snatchers/Zappa
>
>ps. If you ever at Butternut - Berkshire County, say high
>
>    to Eric. He's the one at midstation who always plays The DEAD


-- 

Kurt J. Raymond     Engineering Services  The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7427        Sr.  Account Manager  email: kurtray@sco.com
From: jl0h@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Question: Are Salomon RST647 skis any good?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:26:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi,
I've been searching for a pair of used skis for my girlfriend who is a low
intermediate skier.  She's 5'8" and 115 lbs and likes to ski slow. I'm
currently teaching her to make medium radius turns using pole plants.
Would Salomon RST647 skis (175cm) be good in this case?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
-- 
.---John D. Laessig-------.-------------------------------------------.
|   Physics Building #16  |   "Ski straight;                           |
|   Lehigh University     |     if something gets in your way turn."   |
`---Bethlehem, PA 18015---^-------------------------------------------'
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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Kastle RXs
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:01:40 GMT

My girlfriend (expert skier) has an older pair of RX12's that she
loves to ski on.  She claims that whne she gets around to buying
new stuff, it will be another pair of Rxs
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From: vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince)
Subject: Bulgaria??!!
Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:38:42 GMT

Looking through the news group I noticed that there is very little 
information on Eastern Bloc skiing.

If anyone is looking for a VERY CHEAP ski trip consider going to Bulgaria.  
There are two main resorts: Pomporovo which is ideal for "first timers", 
beginners, and early intermediates, and Borovets which is better suited for 
intermediates.  There is very little for advanced skiiers.

Both resorts are well laid out; Pomporovo is a purpose built resort with 
clean hotels and helpful staff.  Borovets is an older town which has new 
hotels to accomodate the skiing fraternity.

The rental eqipment is very good (Solomon and Nordica boots with Atomic or 
Dynastar skis).  The ski school is one of the best I have ever been in, with 
all of the instructors speaking perfect English (and German).  Lift queues 
are very small and if you join the ski school (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) you can 
avoid queueing altogether!!

Flights to Sofia or Plovdiv airport are frequent and depart from many major 
UK airports.

A number of travel companies advertise trips to Bulgaria including 
Enterprise, Global, Balkan Tours, etc..

I have been to Bulgaria on 4 vacations.  I learnt to ski in Pomparovo (1985) 
and visited Borovets in 1986, 87, and 88, and would recommend it to anyone 
looking for a cheap holiday.

One word of warning!!  The food was very poor.  Pork everyday and soft 
drinks in short supply.  Apparently the situation has improved in recent 
years, although I wouldn't think Bulgaria would suit vegetarians, Tee 
totalers, or"fussy eaters".
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ski Alta!
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:35:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Dec14.181141.6187@delfin.com> mark@delfin.com writes:
>In contrast to year's past, there has been no gloating from the Utah
>contingent of this newsgroup. What's the matter?

Tourists.  Locals don't gloat.  PR tourism people gloat.

Ski Vail.							3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
From: brown@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:29:11 GMT
Subject: Re: WinterPark info
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, susan@ods.com (Susan Murphy) writes:

> Does anybody know anything about Winter Park in general, 
> and Meadow Ridge condos in particular ?

Pretty nice mountain as long as you're not going there during peak season.
Don't know about Meadow Ridge.

> How far is Winter Park from the Denver airport ?

About 1 1/2 hrs if weather and traffic are good.  Could be much more if
there's heavy snow coming down over Berthoud pass.

> How are the condos and how far are they from the slopes ? 

Don't know.

> How is the skiing for a couple of intermediate skiers and
> a couple of beginners ?

Winter Park has a good mix of runs for intermediates and beginners.
Various lift prices are available based on how much of the mountain
you want to ski.  If the intermediate skiers get tired of Winter Park
they can take a lift over to Mary Jane and try out some of the
intermediate runs there.

> Susan Murphy

John Brown
Hewlett-Packard
User Interface Technology Division
Fort Collins, CO
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From: scotte@atlastele.com (Scott Elam)
Subject: Multipor/Ski Bowl trip
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Distribution: pdx
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:51:22 GMT


There's a winter storm warning wednesday and thursday for the cascades
- anyone want to go night skiing at Ski Bowl this week????

230-9566 msg - calls returned immediately.
-- 
Scott Elam                  
scotte@atlastele.com        
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson)
Subject: WANTED: USED XC SKIS
Keywords: wanted skis
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 23:46:52 GMT


Looking for good used backcountry skis.  Waxless, 195cm or longer, with good
sidecut.  Guessing there must be enthusiasts out there that are upgrading 
equipment all the time, that would have just what we need.  Thanks in advance
for any replies.
From: ccas27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("A.J.Anderson")
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Morzine
Keywords: Morzine ski area, connections
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:15:07 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde


 I am trying to decide where to go skiing in France probably in early March.
 Morzine was suggested as a possibility however from looking at an area map
 the number of runs seems quite limited and the connections to the bigger
 area at Avoriaz seem very complicated. So basically could anyone who has been
 there e-mail or post their experiences and tell me something about how they
 got on, did they find Morzine isolated etc..

 Anyone wishing to give me any other suggestions about good resorts etc. please
 go ahead.

 Thanks in advance

  Andy.
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Re: Big snow dump    MD,WV,PA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:51:38 GMT

In article <28456@oasys.dt.navy.mil> webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb) writes:
>As of Fri pm 12/11 the Totals are:
>
>      SKI  AREA                  NEW SNOW (last 36 hr)
>     ------------               --------------
>
>    Wisp Maryland                3 feet  !!
>    Seven Springs,PA             32 in
>    Hidden Valley,PA             32 in
>    Blue Knob,Pa                 30 in
>    Cannan Valley,W Va           25 in
>    Snowshoe,W Va                16 in
>    Whitetail,PA                 12 in
...
>This sounds like Tahoe or Mammouth !!

Not bad, but I just called the Alpine Meadows snow phone, and they say
they've added 110 inches at the summit since Sunday.

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
From: lizn@uts.amdahl.com (Elizabeth Neely)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: seeking Salt Lake recommendations
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:31:56 GMT
Reply-To: lizn@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Elizabeth Neely)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I'm going to learn how to ski in Utah for Christmas, and I'm looking for
reccomendations on restaurants and the different slopes.
I'll be staying in Downtown Salt Lake City.

So far, I've been told Chuck-o-rama is a good all you can eat type place and
the spaghetti company is good too. Any others? 

My lift passes will be good at Alta, Snowbird and Solitude. I've been told I
might be able to exchange them for other resorts, but I'm not sure about this.
Two people have told me Snowbird is the best place for beginners and another
told me Brighton is the best for beginners. Is it worth trying to trade in
my tickets to try out brighton?

Since I got so many replies to my first posting, I'll post a summary of my
trip after I get back!

thanks everyone!

				Liz
			lizn@uts.amdahl.com (don't forget the 'n'!)
From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:34:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Avalanche Transceivers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


For mail order try REI, they were the cheapest I found at $225 for an 
Otrovox F2 Dual fequency model.  Their number is 1-800-426-4840, if you are a
member you get about 10% back at the end of the year in the form of a dividend
that you can spend on merchandise.  If you want to buy one of these it would 
be worth joining, last time I remember the membership was $10.

  If you know someone that works in a Ski Area or even better Ski Patrol ask
them what the pro-form price is , I purchased two Peeps models for $160 total.

Yet anouther storm is rolling through CO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jon

Note: Make sure you get a dual frequency model so that you have complete 
coverage.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Subject: Eastern skiing
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:45:34 GMT

  What type of conditions could be expected at 
  Lake Placid or the South Eastern Vermont area
  in early March, If any ?

  Thanks much

  jim
From: cbrunson@scilla.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Sugarbush Skiing
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:18:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@scilla.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: scilla.east.sun.com

I skied there last wednesday and it was pretty good. They had good cover
and the snow consistency was good (hard pack with loose snow on top). Its
really 2 mountains, Sugarbush and Sugarbush North. They're seperated by about
a 5 min drive and there's a shuttle bus that'll take you between them. I'm
partial to Sugarbush north, specifically the runs called upper and lower FIS
as well as the long cruisers, Elbow and Cruiser (what else!). Sugarbush has
nice area of glades and steeps called Castlerock.


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From: aak4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Allan A Kassenoff)
Subject: SKI PANTS??
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:09:38 GMT


Hi...
   I have a question that I was wondering if someone could answer.
I have a pair of warmup pants that I have from playing ice hcokey.  I was curious if these same pants could be used for skiing.  Are they water proof, will they last...etc...
   The pants are 100% nylon,by the way.  Any answers would really be appreciated.
 Thanks a lot...
   
        Allan
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