From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Subject: Re: Followup "Intimidation, looting and arson"
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:04:45 GMT

In article <Aug.12.23.38.36.1992.20739@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>Re: Gavin Tredoux's "Intimidation, looting & arson"
>References: <Aug.7.01.02.07.1992.12223@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <713399574snx@fudd.frcs.alt.za>
>
>the USA.  Not unusual, but I am sure the ANC would not have minded a
>bit if the country suffered some severe political damage as a result of
>the mass action.  Drafting a fair constitution the needs of the minority
>as well as the majority is no small task, and cannot be rushed into
>existence by any party involved in CODESA.

Je suis d'accord... but then I'm sure everyone involved knows this...

>
>Are SA companies going to be so understanding if there are anymore
>mass actions?  Is this what investors can expect of the workforce in
>the future SA?  It would not work in the states here.

But then the situation in the US ain't the same as that in SA...

>
>Who is responsible for township violence?  The SAP are not
>responsible for every death in the townships, and if nobody
>cooperates with the police, can they find and arrest whomever

If you read all the articles to this newsgroup, you would probably
have been able to see why people in the townships are suspicious
of the SAP and thus have trouble cooperating with them. If it is
of any help assuming you have a good library where you live, try
reading some international newspapers or news magazines and see what
they write on SA.

>is promoting the violence.  I do not think anyone is going to be
>able to answer this problem for some time.  The hatred between the
>various black factions in SA remind me often of Northern Ireland.
>Black on black violence has to be addressed and dealt with by both
>the SA govt. and the leaders in the communities NOW.

>
>The majority of United States citizens do not even vote.  The same

That's a shame, if it is true...

>circle/ideological group of individuals and families have been the
>leaders in American politics since the 1900's.  As far as the land
>of the free, I am glad we are known for something positive.  If it
>will be the same if we are dumb enought to elect Bill Clinton the

But you are already dumb enough to have elected Bush/Quayle...:-)

>next President is another story.
>
>As for the support of the majority for the ANC, I would like to see
>a head count.  How many support the ANC out of fear, or without

Wow! a head count huh?

>understanding the nature of the flawed ANC policies and ideology.
>
>
>I think there will be a few more minority votes before the
>majority jumps in.  The right is been too quiet, too quiet.
>BTW, if you think just by possessing the power of the vote you
>can change your country overnight, than I think you should be
>re-reading your political science manuals.  If it was all that
>simple, we Americans would not still be stumbling all over
>ourselves.

Isn't this because Americans are dumb? :-) :-) 

>
>
>It is not socialism, nationalism, or communism.  Try our free
>market economy, it works despite what you may have heard.  I think
>we here in the USA receive more bad press than anyone else.  Often
>we are entitled to it. Outside of a free market economy, what else
>would you (or could you) choose?

>
>What I am trying to indicate is do not take the easy road which
>the above mentioned countries have tried.  SA is the most
>successful country in all of Africa.  Find a system that works for

hmmmmmmmmm... I wonder how they became so successful...


>all of SA. Ten years later, does Zimbabwie present you a model you
>would like to follow?
>

>
>Let us see them at the table talking first.  Reconciliation comes from
>all sides and all parties.  Let us be honest also, memories of past
>actions fade fast.
>

>-- 
>David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
>__________________________________________________
>
>"We're sailing on the wind of better days"
Oh, yeah?

lk (with the man in the yellow hat)