HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kulance@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.cyber
Subject: META: Loss of bandwidth
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:04:14 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
Archive-Name: rgc530

I'm sorry but due to the lack of new material being posted on r.g.c. I would
ask that the moderation be removed.  A little wasted bandwidth is better than
no bandwidth.

[[ The lack of new postings is because of mistakes which I have made,
   not because of moderation in general.  Of course, if there is no
   moderation, mistakes by one person can not turn off a news group,
   but you can have multiple moderator schemes which are error resistant.
   -- Joshua ]]
Sincerely,
Paul Tobia
kulance@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.cyber
Subject: Re: META: Rec.Games.Cyber has been down.
Date: 19 Jul 92 09:44:37 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Archive-Name: rgc528

Joshua Levy writes:
>I've been travelling on business for the last week.  There are about
>a dozen postings in the que.  

Why not just unmoderate it? I see a cyber-thread going on in r.g.f.misc
about whether or not netrunners should be combat-abled and it has 
degenerated into the "rams butting heads" stage, but there has only been
one post that has could be considered inflammatory so far.

And all of it got posted in a day, something not possible with a moderated
group. Each reply/rebuttal takes a noticable lag to go on, and you lack 
the spontaneity. If I wanted discussion with a lag, I'd use snail-mail.

[[ You may get your wish.  Its pretty clear that I'm doing a poor job
   of moderating rec.games.cyber, and a majority of people want the
   news group unmoderated.  The only reason I'm unhappy about this
   is the example of alt.cyberpunk.  I've read that group for 3 or 4
   years.  For that entire time there has been a never ending "what
   is cyberpunk" thread; also, there has been a "cyberpunk music"
   thread which has been going on and off for years.  I'm afraid that
   an unmoderated rec.games.cyber might have two or three useless but
   perminant (sp?) threads like these.

   Perhaps the solution is this: choose two or three people who watch
   the newsgroup.  We would vote on these people like moderators, but
   they would not moderate.  Instead, if they see an inapproapreate
   post, they would send the poster a message explaining why the post
   should not have been made, perhaps including the group's charter.
   This would have none of the problems of moderation, since no posts
   would be rejected, and there would be no delays, or postage stopages.
   Unfortunately, this has never been tried before, so there is no
   way of knowing if it would work.  What do people think of this?

   In any case, my time as a moderator here is limited to a few weeks, or
   two months.  The only question is will I be replaced by another moderator,
   no moderator, or some other system.
   --Joshua ]]
-- 
Man is the only animal that blushes -- or needs to.
		-- Mark Twain
From: chedberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.cyber
Subject: Icons in the net
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:29:39 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College
Archive-Name: rgc532
Apparently-To: cyberrpg@veritas.com

Personally, while it isn't real original, my favorite icon was that of a
Veritech from Robotech. The icon would change for various different roles
(plane mode for travel along phone lines, Battaloid for actual hacking).
					-Goodwrench
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:07:40 GMT
Reply-To: mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith)
Organization: Electronic Engineering Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <ROTEN.92Jul21132302@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>Burma was easier than Vietnam. 

One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that we (the British)
were in Vietnam before the US. We ran the country for a while after
the end of WWII until the French were in a position to take over
again.
Originally greeted as liberators, things got nasty for us when the
locals realised that we were going to hand the country back to their
pre-war colonial masters. In typical style, we re-armed the Japanese
(it's always better to let someone else do your fighting for you) and
got out as soon as the French were in a position to take over. We
never got involved again despite US requests (maybe the Americans
should have learnt from our example).

Malcolm Smith.
From: tedrick@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Mau Mau (Till Poseur)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: triangle.berkeley.edu

I want to thank Till Poseur for spreading the gospel (posing as 
the Marxist thought policewoman for this network, she really is helping 
my cause of subverting the innocent youth of the free world :-)

Would someone please tell her, though, how "Afrika Korps" is
spelled? Also, who Erwin Rommel is?

I dunno where in hell to post this where she will read this. She
seems to try to follow me around from group tp group, but misses
most of the flamewars I try to start for some reason. At least the
people in this group know how to spell "Afrika Korps" :-)

So if there are any of her spies reading this, would you please
inform on me?

-- 
"In 1757 the Russians advanced into Prussia. They hung innocent inhabitants from
trees, ripped open their bodies and tore out their hearts, cut off their noses
and ears, broke their legs, fired villages, drove villagers into the flames,
stripped clergy naked and laid them on blazing fires, opened the graves ..."
From: mendels@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey Mendelsohn )
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: gun question
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:53:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I realize that gun range is affected by the number of guns
with a maximum of seven.

But is the damage done increased by having more than 7 guns in a
fort?


					Thanks,
					Jeff Mendelsohn
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Not the Scandinavian Air Services
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:00:22 GMT

In article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>
>I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma?

	Malaya

>Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
>got stuck in Vietnam.

	The SAS had one advantage in Malaya that the U.S. would not have
	had in Vietnam.  The communist insurgents were from a distinct
	ethnic group (Chinese) that could be distinguished from the
	Malay natives in the area of operations.  I also believe that
	there was a basic antipathy to the communists in Malaya that
	eased the task.  In Vietnam there was a basic apathy, the people
	in the country just wanted to be left alone.

	Not wishing to detract from the abilities of the SAS or American
	Special Forces.

	Alec.

	Incidentally, let's not start up arguments about the Phoenix
	programme.


If these are my organization's opinions, I'd be extremely surprised.
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From: mytelka@codon9.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: News print ups
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:59:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mytelka@codon9.berkeley.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: codon9.berkeley.edu

OK, petty grievances time. Would somebody fix the news so that it doesn't say
things like "Deity planes shot down" and so on? And perhaps be a little
more specific about exactly what kind of troops captured a sector, not
always infantry?

And while whoever is at it, how about changing the name change command so
it remembers old names, so it can do "US Madison changes his name to Mud"
or some such thing.

DSM (mytelka@enzyme.berkeley.edu (Langerhans)
From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Euro III Startup?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:28:40 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.empire
Organization: Dept. Biochemistry & Biophysics

Hello,
	I am wondering when Euro III starts.  I have already registered and
I know I saw the start up date somewhere, but I cannot remember it.	
					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

==============================================================================
          DISCLAIMER NOTICE		 |  Mike Oda
My boss doesn't known what I am doing... |  Biochemistry Grad. Student
And neither do I.			 |  fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
==============================================================================
From: pclark@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Peter Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: GEET
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:03:40 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

I'm having some more problems with geet....  anyone using this?  The new
problem ( :) ) is that once it loads up to the 'loading empire... done' it then
aborts with 'file/directory not found : -' (or a message very similar to it)..

Or does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative Empire client with the
same ammount of functionality (and an FTP to get it at :) )

Thanks again in advance.

Peter

pclark@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
From: nlc@tornado.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Rivals? (WAS--Re: BBN II (how's the game going?))
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:58:48 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <1992Jul30.082732.9827@nic.umass.edu>, s2842276@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Wanderer) writes:
|>
|> Sheesh, enough is enough already.
|> 
|> Tom, Dave, the pair of you, cut it out.
|> 
|> Considering how highly each of you has spoken of the other, and the amount
|> of cooperation that went into getting the game together in the first place
|> the current situation is absolutly rediculous.
|> 
|> Why don't you just work it out instead of constantly complaining and bitching
|> about it ?!?!?!?
|> 
|> Dave: let Tom back into the game, he certainly deserves to be there, it was 
|> after all mostly his idea.
|> 
|> Tom: put away your stubborness for just a little while and listen to what Dave
|> has to say. From what I hear there's a rational explanation behind everything.

Yeah, what DID happen? One moment Tom was a deity, the next thing I know he's
gone... Must have missed it in the "You have several telegrams" I've been 
getting for the past week... :)

Tom's okay - it seems like you've got to take EVERYTHING he says with a pinch
of salt. Of course I do that anyway, mainly because that's how people should 
treat me :)

Neil Cook (Fraidh)
From: ricou@humus.cs.huji.ac.il (Olivier Ricou)
Subject: Re: Euro III is full and overflowing.
Organization: Universite de Jerusalem
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:40:48 GMT

Hi, I'm the leader of the U.S.  I have been on vacation
to the US once and the people there were so stuck up they wouldn't
even speak french.  Could you please change my name to Snooty?


				:)



						Olivier.
From: watkins@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rob Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: BBN II
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:00:26 GMT
Organization: UB

ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca) writes:

>Um, Rob, have you tried plugging those numbers into your client and 
>seeing what happens?

	Yeah yeah.  Logging into empire at 4:30 am doesn't
do wonders when things don't go right.  I logged in from
another computer and hadn't changed the numbers there yet.

				Creight Lersing
From: pclark@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Peter Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Emacs Empire Client
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:42:45 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

Hi.  I was trying to use the Emacs empire cliant, and I ran into this problem..
it's really bothering me :)  Does anyone know  how to fix it:

I load up Emacs, after compiling the cliant (no errors reported) and it
goes through all the motions, starts up the Empire buffer, and then writes
a line at the top of screen that says:

" Cannot load (or was it exec?) /usr/bin/local/env" ...

Any ideas?

Help would be appreciated :)

Thanks in advance :)

Peter
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: loney@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: Open Island in Euro III
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:05 EDT  

     The leader of Sardina/Corsica has had to bow out.  That means that
the small island is up for grabs.  Please contact me if you want to play
it.  As a point of reference, the island is 11 sectors compared to the
"continental" countries which are 22-24 sectors.  This country is probably
best suited for a newbie.  Preferences will be given in the following order:

1:  Current country owners
2:  People on the waiting list
3:  Everybody else
From: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: BBN II: Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:56:30 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains

In article <64357@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca) writes:

     It is the policy of Radio Free Dorsai to correct errors of fact that 
appear in news reports.  The following was reported yesterday:

>     In a related note, the Elven Fleet of Mirkwood was dealt a stunning blow
>today as newly-deployed cruise missiles were used to devastating effect by 
>Guzzer against five ships of the line.  The battleships, patrolling off the 
>coast of a peanut farming colony recently liberated by Mirkwood from Guzzer, 
>went down in simultaneous explosions with the loss of all hands.  The Elven-
>King, in a hastily-called news conference, promised retribution, but observers
>are skeptical at the ability of the crazed King to carry his threat out, 
>considering the relative strengths of the two nations.

     Later reports have determined that all five ships, in fact, made it back
to their home ports, albeit with heavy damage and casualties.  In an amazing
show of improvisation and inventiveness, farmers from the peanut colony (which
was growing the rare 'arachis hypogaea styrofoamus' peanut variant) loaded
their cargo ships with thousands of pounds of peanuts and stuffed the foundering
battleships full of them, buoying them up enough to make it home.  There is 
concern, however, that Guzzer subs will have an easy time finding their
hidden base, following the trail of floating styrofoam.

     The rest of the report, particularly the description of the Elven-King as
'crazed', is entirely accurate.

     In other news, concern is growing in the nation of Wineland, as the 
royal cartographers have pointed out that a line drawn from the Dorsai capitol
to the Mantarr capitol, if extended onward, passes through the royal palace
of Wineland.  What this means is not immediately clear, but the futures market
on the Wineland Mercantile Exchange has dropped precipitously.

     Finally, riots have broken out in the countries of Flipper and Stronghold, 
as disgruntled listers of Radio Free Dorsai pelted the Flipper bureau of this
station with thousands of dead tuna in response to the lack of media coverage
of their military feats.  Over the last several days, combined forces of 
Flipper and Stronghold have brutalized the nation of Nyissa, taking over nearly
40% of the home territory of that country.  As this is the first military 
exploit of signifigance by Flipper in many updates, the riot over the lack 
of media coverage is not surprising.

     Live from the mountaintops, this has been Radio Free Dorsai...

-- 
Matthew DeLuca                      "I'd hire the Dorsai, if I knew their 
Georgia Institute of Technology      P.O. box."
Office of Information Technology                - Zebediah Carter, 
Internet: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.edu              _The Number of the Beast_
From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: BBN II (how's the game going?)
Date: 30 Jul 1992 05:09:21 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu

How is BBN II going anyway?

Strange being cutoff from a game I started. Now I know better
how parents feel when their children are kidnapped.

-- 
"Self-reliant always, impatient of drill and discipline, unsurpassed as a scout
and on the skirmish line the Southern soldier was the finest individual fighter
the world has ever seen. Taking naturally to guerrilla warfare as did their fore
fathers during the War of Independence, in battle he fought like a berserker."
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Subject: Re: No More 'Re: BBN II -- 'etc Posts, Please
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.232155.3056@desire.wright.edu>, jbatka@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> ENOUGH!
|> 
|> I have heard more then I care on this topic.  Please stop!  I don't
|> want to read anything more on:
|> 
|>   1)  Vietnam
|>   2)  U.S. Tactics, Soldiers (including Sargeants), Military, Morals
|>       , Politics, Thinking (I already get more than I can stand)
|>   3)  British Colonialism, India, Burma, etal
|>   4)  French Colonialism
|>   5)  Scandinavian Social Preferences
|>   6)  19th Century History Lessons
|>   7)  for that matter 20th Century History Lessons (unless it is
|>        about WWII, I liked history when it was about that time period :))
|> 
|> I thought this thread was amusing at first not it grates on my nerves!
|> If I've pissed off any "named" countries ... so be it (just try and
|> get me, I won't be on any games for the forseeable future anyway)!
|> 
|> BTW, I can't (or haven't figured out how to) put this in my 'kill'
|> file.  I am NOT on a UNIX system.
|> 
|> I cannot threaten anyone who doesn't stop, I am just asking everyone
|> to DROP IT voluntarily!  Please, for my sanities sake :) ?


I STRONGLYsecond the motion!  Tom's posts were alright for a
short time (only because his posts are always amusing -- even
though he doesn't try to make them that way), but there's far
too much net-noise on this subject now.  As far as I'm concerned,
you're welcome to continue the thread on all of the other um-teen
news groups you're cross posting to, but spare the r.g.e people
(especially the ones who aren't able to 'kill' these articles).

If you MUST reply to this post, please do it via email.

-Andy
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Net Access?
From: jbatka@desire.wright.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:33:06 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

I am faced with a dilema.

I am working very hard on finishing my master's thesis, so hard in fact
that I have sworn off Empire until I am finished.  However, my only
access to the net is through my thesis computer account.

So does anyone know of other methods of net access that I may be able
to get after I lose this account?  I don't know anything about services
like Compuserve or Prodigy (are these options?).  Are there public
computer accounts with net access?

Thanks for any info,

-- 

   Jim Batka  | Always remember ...                        | Buckaroo
   Modemman   |    No matter where you go, there you are!  |   Bonzai
--------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
   Ruler of   | Work Email:  BATKAJ@CCMAIL.DAYTON.SAIC.COM | Elvis is
  Gaultheria  | Home Email:  JBATKA@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU      |   DEAD!
--------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
   Jim Batka  | 64 years is 33,638,400 minutes ...         | Beatles
  The Shadow  |    and a minute is a long time.            |   When I'm 64
From: sldf3@io.ee.usu.edu (beal weston r)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Net Access?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:57:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul21.113306.3010@desire.wright.edu>, jbatka@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> I am faced with a dilema.
|> 
|> I am working very hard on finishing my master's thesis, so hard in fact
|> that I have sworn off Empire until I am finished.  However, my only
|> access to the net is through my thesis computer account.
|> 
|> So does anyone know of other methods of net access that I may be able
|> to get after I lose this account?  I don't know anything about services
|> like Compuserve or Prodigy (are these options?).  Are there public
|> computer accounts with net access?
|> 
|> Thanks for any info,
|> 

There is an organization of physicists that has a very large database
type BBS.  It is accesible through both Telnet and Internet.  If you get an
account on this BBS, then you have, I think, full Internet access.  The
organization is called   National Institute of Physicists, or something 
like that.


|> -- 
|> 
|>    Jim Batka  | Always remember ...                        | Buckaroo
|>    Modemman   |    No matter where you go, there you are!  |   Bonzai
|> --------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
|>    Ruler of   | Work Email:  BATKAJ@CCMAIL.DAYTON.SAIC.COM | Elvis is
|>   Gaultheria  | Home Email:  JBATKA@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU      |   DEAD!
|> --------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
|>    Jim Batka  | 64 years is 33,638,400 minutes ...         | Beatles
|>   The Shadow  |    and a minute is a long time.            |   When I'm 64




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From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:03:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.14gneeINNneq
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu

->The King, satisfied, goes back to listening to Zevon sing about the
->collapse of the British Empire at the hands of supposed savages...
->"the Mau Mau came in '52 / the sun went down and we drew the drapes /
->in our old colonial home / we hid behind the Mau Mau gates" 

Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
after WW2.

I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma? 
Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
got stuck in Vietnam.

-- 
"King Frederick of Prussia became famous for his regiment of giant grenadiers,
spending vast sums kidnapping recruits in every country. No tall man was safe,
as far away as Ireland, one even being sand-bagged while celebrating mass in an
Italian church. Girls matching in inches were seized in order to mate with them"
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire