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From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:03:27 GMT

vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.155739.27343@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir) writes:
>)Nobles!

>	Very few of reading this group I bet.

This is an interesting question.  In my study of geneaology, I have found
that everyone of European descent seems to be able to claim descent from
a minor peer or at least a member of the gentry.  This does not necessarily
mean that these people are nobles, but it does say something about the 
kind of people who are generally attracted to heraldry and geneaology.

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: What is this group for? 
From: hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Phil Anderson)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 23:52:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Lethargy Inc.


In article <1992Dec30.143027.17885@Princeton.EDU> 
vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes:

  >         This group is for discussion of Heraldry and related matters.
  > SCA heraldry is only a very small subset of that subject, and one of only
  > limited interest, I suspect, to the majority of the readers of this

It is still, however, a vigorous branch of real-world heraldry and 
hence, IMO, an entirely appropriate topic for discussion here. I 
suspect it may be just as interesting as any other heraldic topic to 
readers (as long as we _do_ stick to heraldry).

Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: president-elect's runs
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:33:11 PST

In article <50919@shamash.cdc.com> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.052155.5071@eng.umd.edu>, gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
>|> 	...Since CNN considers running in "near-freezing" temperatures
>|> to be an accomplishment, I would like to personally extend my
>|> congratulations to each and every person out there who has run and
>|> lives north of...
>
>Thank you, I accept your congratulations :-)
>
>Here in Minnesota, we have a reversed meaning for the phrase "near
>freezing" :-(
>
It may be more uncomfortable to run in very cold weather but it is
actually physically more difficult to run in very hot weather.  I've run
in the 20's (F) and it's harder to convince myself to go out and start
than when I've run with it over 110 (F), but the latter is harder on the
body once started.  My point:  don't conclude that runners are wimps
just because they live in hot weather.
From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Hamstring Questions
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:58:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Lately when I get to about the five mile mark in my run I get a knot
feeling in my hamstring.  I warm up with a mile jog, stretch the usual
stretches and then take off.  When I get through with the run the hamstring
doesn't bother me.  The problem has been persistent lately so any help
would be appreciated.

David Olsen
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From: balg0514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian A. Levine)
Subject: Racewalking Information?
Reply-To: brianlev@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:42:47 GMT

Can anyone recommend some good sources of information about racewalking?
I'm interested in anything, including listservs, newsgroups, magazines,
books, clubs or organizations, etc.

Thanks for any help...

--Brian
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Center for the Study of Reading           |   NovaNET: levine/uis/nova
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Subject: Big Sur Marathon advice?
Summary: Anyone have advice/help on running Big Sur Marathon in 3/93?
Keywords: Big Sur Marathon, California, help wanted
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:38:17 GMT

I am thinking about doing the Big Sur Marathon next spring, April '93.
Anyone out there have any words of wisdom on this event?  Earlier this
year ('92) I camped out at Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park and ran some on Hwy 1
and saw some of the mile markers for the '92 race.   Are the hills really
that formidible all the way to Carmel?  (Should I do the Napa Marathon,
in March, instead?)  I'm halfway thru a good marathon buildup stage, so I'll
be physically ready come March/April.  One idea I', thinking about is doing
a marathon in each of the 50 states.  (already got two knocked out)

Thanks for any help mucho!

kjp, Sunnyvale, CA  (Silicon Valley runner and engr)
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:34:02 GMT

In article <BzMBMy.2Hyr@austin.ibm.com>, spit@austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
|> 
|> Thanks to everyone who replied for all the advice!
|> 
eating on long run stuff deleted.
|> 
|> Now another question...  I'm following Galloway's marathon schedule
|> for a 3:30 marathon (hey, it's my first!)  He doesn't give any in-
|> dication of what pace to set on the long slow runs.  My goal pace
|> is 8 minutes/mile, and I was running between 9 and 10 minutes/mile
|> on my long run.  Is that okay?  My speed training's going fine, but
|> I'm still worried about overdoing it on race day and bonking at the
|> 20 mile mark :^(  What are y'all's experiences with putting the 
|> speed and distance training together on race day?
|> -- 

I too followed Galloway's schedule and set out to run my first marathon in
3:30 and actually did it in 3:25.  It was fairly easy, no dramatic wall, just
gradually increasing leg fatigue.  I did my long runs at around 9 minutes/mile
or a little faster.  I did 6 runs between 18 and 22 rather than pushing all the
way to 26 as Galloway advocates.  I would say if you can do a 38-39 minute 10K,
a 3:30 marathon will be easy, and a reasonably conservative goal for a first
marathon.  If you are a 41 min. 10K runner and picked 3:30 as a goal because
the charts said you should be able to, then it is probably over-ambitious for
a first marathon.

If you are running 9-10 min/mile on long runs, you are probably
doing many shorter runs (your non-speed, non long run runs) at a little faster
than 8 min per mile, which is your target pace.  Perhaps you should try a
half marathon at that pace, complete with a mini carbo load and mini taper,
just to get up your confidence.

One note about carbo loading: do it 2 and 3 days before, not the night before.
The stuff you eat the night before will mostly be carried around in your stomach
for 26 miles.

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:36:07 PST

In article <1992Dec24.000943.20651@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>|| How great do you expect someone to get, who jogs to McDonalds?
>
>sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) responds:
>| Give the guy a break!  ANYONE that exercises, that goes out and
>| 'just does it' is okay by me!  Clinton never professed to be
>| a spectacular runner, why must you label him?
>
>  I have to agree with the first guy.  Clinton is all show and no
>  substance.  I'm not impressed with anyone who jogs to McDonalds to
>  pork out on Curly Fries.  He's trying to have it both ways.
Like everything else he does.
>
>  You know who's a good runner?  I once saw Jerry Brown running and
>  he looks pretty good -- one of those thin, long distance, vegetarian,
>  spiritual type of runners.
>  I've also heard that Patrick Buchanan is a decent runner.  Perot, with
>  his small-but-wiry body, would be tough if he were interested.
Don't forget Bush and Quayle.  They can both run circles around Clinton
and Bush is 22 years older.  Clinton is the FIRST president of my
lifetime (25 years) who was never a competetive athlete as a youth.  Not
that that has much to do with the presidency, but I am sure that this
group is the first place where people will admit that competetive
athletes make better leaders, all else equal.

A side note - I bet Gore's body fat % is even higher than Clinton's.
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: president-elect's runs
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:55:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a2i network

gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:

>rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:
>|> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:

>|> in the 20's (F) and it's harder to convince myself to go out and start
>|> than when I've run with it over 110 (F), but the latter is harder on the
>|> body once started.  My point:  don't conclude that runners are wimps
>|> just because they live in hot weather.

>Actually, I agree completely.  There are many advantages to winter running,
>you have pointed out the reduced risk of overheating.  There is also the
>reduced risk of tripping over a dog leash or baby carriage.  No temptation
>to fixate on stopwatch.  The disadvantages are risk of slip&fall ...

It's hard to think of a better reason for running in cold weather than
just that fact you mentioned.  Fewer walkers, fewer baby carriages,
fewer dogs on leashes, and fewer non-biker bikers.  Also, fewer non-runner
(hardcore-ish) runners who hog the paths.  It's great!  Except the freezing
rain really is.

>Getting back to the news media's usage of "near freezing", I find it almost
>impossible to explain winter running to "civilians".  They look at me like
>I'm really crazy (which I might be, but for other reasons).

Let's face it, most of us are addicted, running wack-os!  It's a compliment.
It means you are really doing something good for yourself and the civilians
are really jealous.  Runners don't need to make New Years' resolutions,
unless it's to be less critical of others (unless you use it as a defense
mechanism, or as a way of psychological motivation).  How many of you have
a calendar in your office that you can stare at to get motivated?  Espicially
one with good photographs like Runner's World calendar.

Also, kudos to the new John Jerome 1993 running log -- the useless previous
three months from Oct. to Dec. are now finally gone!  No more wasted paper. 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Runner's World Midnight 5-mile race on New Years Eve
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:57:50 GMT

In article <KINGPIN.92Dec28155417@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> kingpin@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth) writes:
>Is anyone running the above on New Years Eve in Central Park in New York?
>
>I am, and I was just interested if anyone else on the net is...

I would if I could, if I were there.  Nothing could be finer than
starting the new year with such an event...

Last time I ran in Central Park it was in the NYC Marathon, and was
fantastic.  I hope you have a similar experience, and that it is not
too cold!

--Rob

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From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: rec.running
Distribution: na
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.194045.28520@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
|> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
|> >A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Trivia time: from the newspaper photo it looks like he wears ASICS.
|> >>
|> >>Do the american voters know this, the american president running in 
|> >>japanese shoes,
|> >
|> >Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
|> >anyway?  =)  =)
|> 
|> I notice my ASICS say 'Made in Korea,' so it looks like Japan uses the
|> same manufacturing facilities as we do anyway. :-)

A friend who is a rep for Reebok tells me that there are factories in
Korea that have one line assembling Reeboks and next to it a line
assembling Nikes.  It's all in the design (which IS done in the U.S.).

I believe that Bart Hershey still makes custom shoes in the U.S.  Does
anyone know if he's still in business?

Perhaps Clinton will wear Adidas in the EC and Asics in the Pacific Rim?

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: wolf@doppel.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Knee problem... sound familiar?
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:02:34 GMT
Reply-To: wolf@first.gmd.de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: hduncan@cs.ucsd.edu's message of 3 Jan 93 03:04:00 GMT


In article <42991@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hduncan@cs.ucsd.edu (Hal Duncan) writes:


   I just started running again in September after several years of working
   on my couch potato impersonation.  I started with 1.5 miles at 9 per a
   couple of times a week, and worked up to 4.5 miles at 8.5 per three or
   four times a week by mid-November.  This, by the way, is the farthest
   I've _ever_ been able to run consistently.

[stuff deleted]

This kind of question I answer every other month. Even though the injuries
are different, the cause is always the same : you have built up your
running pensum too quickly.

You must recognize one main topic if you start a regular training.

** Different systems of your body have different adaptation times ****.

This makes it very complicated for beginners (I suppose it's not only
the case for runners).
The muscles and the cardio-vascular system adaptate very quickly after
you start (some two or three months).
However, your bones, joints  and tendons do not so !!!!!
Their adaptation to these stresses will last at least one, possibly two years !

My advice for you is:

First : take the things slowly. You have lost some years with no exercise,
so some months more shouldn't mention.

Second : Probably, you are a little overweighted (if not, the better).
This additionally stresses your joints. Try to get rid of it.

wolf



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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:29:29 GMT

In article <2691@grivel.une.edu.au> tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro) writes:
>In response to the original post: Here in Aussie we have a rule:
>`Any bigger and/or moving faster than you has right of way'. I guess 
>I'm getting mellow in my old age, but I figure I'd rather be alive/uninjured
>and lose my macho pride than take on a truck, even when I'm in the right!
>

  I thought I would add my two cents - a very experienced runner told
me never to run on a Friday evening. I thought he was nuts until I was
chased by a drunk in a pick-up. Friday is payday and the yahoos go for
a couple or ten brews and then go runner-bashing
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:55:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>In article <1992Dec22.190547.9144@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:


stuff deleted

>>
>>Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
>>anyway?  =)  =)
>>
>>allen
  

   Saucony
From: yserrano@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: rec.running FAQ memo
         Questions and interesting information about running.
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:21:22 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Originator: yserrano@wrpyr4.us.oracle.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Rec.runner readers,

You might notice this months FAQ is the same one as last months 
(no modifications). I plan to release in two week a new updated FAQ.

Tha race section at the end of the FAQ should be significantly updated.
I also plan to some some new material.

"The first step is harder to take than the fifth mile"
"The four basic food groups are: Gatorade, Exceed, PowerBars, and beer"

    ---- From "Running Times" December 1992, page 21.

Until then....
Please send any suggestions or material you would like to see in the FAQ.

Yonson Serrano
yserrano@us.oracle.com
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                          yserrano@us.oracle.com

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck)
Subject: Asics 120 vs. Asics Gel Lyte V
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:15:49 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: Asics

	I would like to know people's opinions on the Asics Gel 120
vs. the Gel Lyte Vs.  The 120s are discontinued so I got them at 30%
off ($55) while the Vs are brand new so I got them around $77.  I can
afford both pairs of shoes, but I obviously don't want to spend more
money than I have to.  I bought both pairs and plan to return one.
The will be used for high-mileage training and (hopefully) a marathon
in March.
	The major difference is padding in the front.  The 120s have
none while the Vs have Gel in the front as well as the back.  How
necessary is that to someone who doesn't have "perfect feet" and is
especially prone to knee and shin injuries
	I would like anyone 's opinion about either one of these shoe
types.  Thanks.

	Personal note to everyone who requested information about
trail shoes (from a previous posting):  Finals just ended and I will
sift through my mail soon, I promise!  I just need to cat all the
messages together.  Sorry So Slow.


	q		Greg Surbeck
			gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:55:06 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

stuff deleted about Clinton's running

But he sure *looks* slow and flabby in the video clips!  First I ever saw
of him as a runner was a still photo in a newspaper, from looks of stride
(leading heel about to strike with trailing toe still brushing pavement)
I would have thought he would be 10 to 11 minutes per mile.

Trivia time: from the newspaper photo it looks like he wears ASICS.
                                                             ------

Do the american voters know this, the american president running in japanese shoes,
tut tut bill. If Bush had known this earlier he could have won :-) :-)
What shoes does Bush wear?


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: steamrooms
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:45:22 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

In article <1ht2ncINNrdp@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, wilding@cs.utexas.edu (Matthew Wilding) writes:

>   I enjoy sitting in the steamroom after a long run, but I'm beginning 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> to suspect a connection between that activity and my knee problems.  Is
> post-run steamroom or sauna use advisable?

  It most definately is...  NOT!

  Here's the new plan:  Run.  Finish run.  Get naked.  Get into bathtub.
  Fill tub with cold water.  Add prodigious party ice.  Sit patiently.
  Yes, rather less comfortable than the steamroom, and the acute roman 
  statue syndrome can be embarassing to us members of the less-fair sex,
  but its a small price to pay for guaranteed reduced rate of injury. Well,
  almost guaranteed.  Good luck.

  Sylvan Smyth
  comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck)
Subject: president-elect's runs
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 05:21:55 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

CNN reported that President-Elect Clinton was running "despite
near-freezing temperatures." No mention of wind chill.
	Since CNN considers running in "near-freezing" temperatures
to be an accomplishment, I would like to personally extend my
congratulations to each and every person out there who has run and
lives north of, say, Florida and Arizona (except Arizona at night
counts, too). :-)
	Are reports of our troops in Somalia just not as newsworthy as
this?
From: vannevar@panix.com (Vannevar Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Question: Walkman Dangers?
Summary: Is using a Walkman dangerous while runnning?
Keywords: running,new runner,question,dangers
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:00:01 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Additional newbie questions:

1.  Does running with a Walkman cause any physical problems (aside from
    getting run over by a vehicle which was blasting its horn while your
    volume was cranked up)?  Except for the loud volume used, does the
    use of such portable stereos pose additional health risks?

2.  Does it 'pay' to join an organization like Road Runners?

Thanks in advance,
Vannevar



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