HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: WAS Lemmings II - Now "Who left the door open"
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:30:43 GMT

disk@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Diskraker) writes:

>eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:

>> > I personally won't touch anymore psygnosis stuff until they implement HD
>> > support for the Amiga.
>> 
>> Exactly so.  If it isn't HD installable, I'm not buying it either.

>Oh, well, I guess you'll just miss out on a great game if it comes like 
>that just because you're both asses...

E-yup, a real intelligent and thought provoking comment there eh! Bet
you were up all night thinking about that one.

Get a life pal, tell me, would you buy a cassette that can only be
played on BRAND X machines? Even though you have a $4000 system that
is perfectly capable of doing the same, it just won't work? 
ie: Quite a few of us spent a small fortune on HD's and systems, and
personally, I don't give a damn about a company that don't care about
my "investment", if they wish for me to "invest" in them then they will
have to offer me what I wish. Their loss... not mine. I don't depend
on "others" to buy stuff from me. First rule of business
"The customer is ALWAYS right" ie: You don't give the people what they
want, you lose out, you make no money, do not pass go, do not collect
$200.00
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:10:19 EST
 <OAHVENLA.92Nov14170014@lk-hp-4.hut.fi><1e3os6INN7h7@ub.d.umn.edu> 
 <mwm.2n4z@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us><1992Nov15.180107.23875@ugle.unit.no> <mwm.2no9@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University

In article <mwm.2no9@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
(Mike Meyer) says:

>Missing out on what? Programs that don't integrate into the Amiga
>environment? Programs that burn the screen out because they interfere
>with the blanker? Programs that disable all my favorite commodities?
>I suppose I should be glad I missed out on cancer, as well?

Most likely the author of AMOS was more interested in producing a tool
people could use and have fun with than in trying to please stuffy, boring,
and arrogant people such as yourself. Wise choice.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Random musings
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:17:29 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <mwm.2n3h@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>In <S37732V.92Nov14112613@lk-hp-16.hut.fi>, s37732v@snakemail.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto) wrote:
>> The UNIX (low level) is quite a different compared to Amiga Exec. Current
>> Exec design allows it to multitask efficiently in machines with even
>> 256K (remember the old A1000) of memory. This is something UNIX, Window
>> etc.. can't do. It was a design decision made long time back when 68000
>> was still considered very powerfull processor, but still not powerfull
>> enough to run system like UNIX.
>
>1) 68000s *WERE* powerfull enough to Run Unix. What do you think the
>first Suns were built around?

That's right.  And even today, the entry level system from Charles River
Data Systems is a VME system with a 12 Mhz 68000 as the main cpu and
another 12 Mhz 68000 to handle serial i/o.  One of these systems can
easily handle 20 users doing routine office tasks on dumb terminals.

>2) AmigaDOS *NEVER* ran on a 256K machine. The old A1000s had 256K of
>OS in WCS as well as the 256K of RAM. Unix machines of that era had
>just enough smarts to load the first block from some device into ROM.
>Unix machines currently have low-level debuggers in ROM; in both cases
>most of the stuff that the Amiga puts in ROM winds up in the RAM on
>the machine.

The base A1000 came with only 256k of memory, but you needed the 256k
board for the front slot to do anything useful.

>3) Even with having to put the OS in RAM, UNIX used to run quite
>nicely in 256K. Even as a multi-user system. But that was back when it
>only had one file system, and no networking, and no windowing system,
>and one person running Emacs could kill the system. Those sytsems
>didn't have demand paging, but it did have memory protection.

PC/IX, which was ported from AT&T V7 source code, ran on a 4.77 Mhz PC/XT
with 256k of memory and a 10 meg disk.

SVR3 ran on the AT&T UNIX PC, which had a 68010.  The minimum config was
256k of memory and a 20 meg disk.  It had the novel concept of shared 
libraries.  As recently as a year ago you could buy one of these new from
a warehouse sale.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Subject: Re: A4000 Winner?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:06:18 GMT

In <1992Nov17.134510.44884@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Who won the A4000 in the '4000 Reasons to own an Amiga' contest?

Uh, Mark Barrett?

:-)

Barry.
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Piracy
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:22:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov16.202918.25113@ra.msstate.edu> <1e91btINNtg0@ub.d.umn.edu>
  <1e991mINNfre@bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca>

>rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>> You want a better equasion?!
>>
>> Software Piracy = Shoplifting
>
>Actually this isn't true. Software piracy creates two copies of a a program
>where only one existed before. Shoplifting doesn't create anything.
>
>Software piracy also doesn't affect shopowners in the same way as shoplifting
>because the software is still on their shelves...

"Still on the shelves."  And that's just as bad.  Software that was worked
on, payed to produce and then no one pays for it.

Really, quit trying to clean your conscience.  If you have taken someone
elses work without payment, it's wrong.  Simple as that (reagardless of the
lame exscuses.


>- Oliver
>
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-Joel
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From: Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter)
Subject: Re: 68060
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:15:05 GMT

> Giancarlo Castrataro writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <BxsIHo.9ED@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
> Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:46:3
>
> Org.  : Indiana University
>
>       Let's get one thing clear here:
> A 25mhz 68040 wipes the floors with a 25mhz 486, and can compete even with
> 486/33s (is somewhat faster).  I'm not sure, but I think the 68040 is
> internally 50mhz.  Also, I'd expect the floating point for the 68060 to be
> good (considering Motorola has always had superior FP).  Let's not forget
> that if IBM had waited a few months to make their first PC, that they
> would be using Motorola chips, not Intel (the crap inside).
> -Giancarlo

   Actually, the problem was that Motorola (like CBM) didn't know how to Play
The Game. When IBM asked for a CPU, they said "here's ours. It's really
good." Intel said "Let's discuss this..." and when the doors of the
smoke-filled room opened, IBM agreed to use ALL Intel chips (including their
ageing 8-bit 8080 peripherals), and IBM owned 30% of Intel stock.

--

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<semi-YAHOO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                    Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca
             "Amiga made it - Commodore screwed it up"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:20:37 GMT

In article <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>, rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
 > marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
 > 
 > > OK, let's say you've built a wooden table and a few chairs,
 > > which you have in your garden. The next night, someone comes
 > > and steal the outdoor furniture. That's not a moral thing to do,
 > > right? It's about the same thing when stealing software, the
 > > programmer has put blood, sweat and tears into his work, and
 > > perhaps he wants to have something back for that? So, it IS
 > > immoral to steal his software.
 > >   (It is hard to make an example, as other things than software
 > > usually can't be copied the way software can.)
 > 
 > Duh!  Gee, George, ain't that the whole reason there is an argument?  
 > You equate piracy with theft, and then tell us you can't come up with an 
 > example because it is so very different from theft!

Nope, he's saying that garden furniture can't be copied, *not* that software can't
be stolen.

 > Piracy _is not_ theft.  I will concede that piracy may be morally and
 > legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft.  Theft, by definition, implies 
 > depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are 
 > not physical property_.  They cannot be quantified with any degree of 

Nope.  Neither are the numbers in your bank account.  I'll just change them around
with the numbers in *my* bank account, and see what you call me.

 > certitude.  The ONLY way I could ever buy this argument would be if the 
 > program had to be re-written each time a copy was sold, in which case I 
 > would have to agree it was quite similar.  However, data can be 
 > reproduced over and over at almost no additional cost, so the comparison 
 > of real world, hand tooled goods is innacurate.  People who are 
 > victimized by pirates are not harmed as bad as people who are victimized 
 > by thieves, because they have not actually lost any material goods.  
 > While they can certainly say they have been harmed by the piracy, it is 
 > hardly the same as a tablemaker being robbed:  in this case, he has to 
 > make a new table, just as he would have been forced to do had he sold it. 

So he would have had to make a new table *anyway*.  What has HE lost?

-Eyvind

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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Looking for a good text formatter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:58:30 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <41141@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) wrote:
> In article <mwm.2ncb@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
> >In <1992Nov14.215230.10136@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mc813@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
> >> 
> >
> >Avoid them. I tried ARoff, and gave up and bought QuickWrite (at the
> >suggestion of HT electronics, who get thanked for recommending it).
> >It's a low-end word processor that does bold/underline, italics, etc
> >using the Amiga printer escape sequences. Works fine to either an
> >Epson, a daisy-wheel, or a postscript printer (the latter via the
> >Postscript preferences printer driver and CMD to another machine,
> >though).
> >
> >	<mike
> 
> What was the price?  I'm looking for a _simple_ word processor for
> my father who has a very low end printer. I tried FinalCopy on the
> printer and it looked awful since it didn't use the built in fonts
> of the printer.  I take it that QuickWrite _does_ use the printers
> built in fonts (from your above statement).  Can you confirm that
> for me?

Yes, you've got it exactly right. QuickWrite on the daisy-wheel
doesn't do italics (unless you have the italics wheel in; in which
case everything is italics). If you use oddball characters and your
printer doesn't have them, you get something else. It uses the
printers fonts, and won't print anything that isn't in them (unless
the printer driver can build them via overstrikes).

I paid $38 for QuickWrite at my local Amiga dealer.

	<mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Pound sign (was Re: The A1200 is an CBM upgrade module!)
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:27:00 GMT+12
 <alien.010m@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> <mwm.2mwz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>
Distribution: world
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, NZ

In article <mwm.2mwz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>In <alien.010m@acheron.amigans.gen.nz>, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) wrote:
>> In article <aquirt-091192124742@47.220.3.199> aquirt%bnr.ca@bnr400 (Alan Quirt) writes:
>> >I searched for them to get French accents. They are sort-of documented in
>> >the 2.0 manuals if you look hard enough. See the section on the KeyShow
>> >utility. But there should be complete tables in an Appendix, and mention in
>> >the Index.
>>
>> When I discovered them I was running 1.3, so I didn't have KeyShow.
>
>I believe you want "KeyToy", possibly with a machine-specific number
>in it. It provides the same basic functionality as Keyshow, and is
>part of 1.2/1.3.

1.3 had a KeyToy2000 for the A2K, but I had an A500, with no KeyToy.

>> >If you are using Final Copy II (great program!) you get accents both
>> >onscreen and printed in most of their scaleable fonts. I haven't tried
>> >every possibility, but most things you need for French, German, Spanish
>> >seem to be there. Avoid accents, especially on o, in the Old English font
>> >;-).
>>
>> I use ProWrite for "real" WP, Cygnus Ed for text editing (e.g. writing
>> programs ... I write a lot more programs than letters, and I don't want to
>> know what that says about my personality ;-)
>
>Any reasonable text editor should handle the eight-bit characters
>on-screen (mg certainly does). Likewise, the preferences printer
>should generate those characters on any printer that has them.

Any reasonable text editor does ... Cygnus does, PW does, I haven't tried
FC but I gather from the above that it does too. Problems with specific
characters under specific fonts are almost certainly the font's fault, not
the editor's.


--
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   "Let us leave this festering hellhole.  Let us think the unthinkable,
let us do the undoable.  Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable
itself, and see if we may not eff it after all." (Dirk Gently)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,sbcs.sbcss
From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: LHA for UNIX
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:16:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

jas54553@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry A. Segler Jr.) writes:

>In <1992Nov19.054934.14805@news.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:

->>	I cannot extract my lha files from my UNIX account. Does anyone
->>know where I can get lha for the unix systems?

->grind.isca.uiowa.edu
->Look in the unix/arc-progs area.

>This will only work on lh1 and lh5 compress (or was it lh1 and lh4?).  I know
>of *no* program on Unix that will extract lh4 (or was it lh5) compress types.

>But then again... Does anyone know if there is one that will?

>BTW, lh1 is lharc's compression, lh5 is LHA 1 (I think) and lh4 is LHA 2 (I
>think).

As I've never heard of anything that compresses in lh4, I wouldn't worry about
it too much....

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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:12:41 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

For my information, what to people that think software piracy is
ok think of music piracy (copying a friends album, etc).  What
about music bootlegging?  In my mind, these are nearly equivalent
legally.

Also, I don't mean legitimate use copying when I say piracy (ie,
backing up your software, patching software to work, copying
CD onto tape for use in the car, etc.)
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    "I wonder what's taking Guybrush so long..."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:35:45 EST
From: Blaise Tarr <BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
 <1992Nov15.103719.9969@sth.frontec.se>

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) says:
>shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>> Basically, I'm asking.. what allows a UNIX to coredump, and relativeily,
>> what does Amiga LACK that won't let it coredump w/o crashing?
>
>Memory protection.

So why hasn't memory protection and resource tracking been implemented on the
Amiga?  It doesn't SEEM too difficult of a project; use the MMU to make sure
that a program only acceses its own memory and public memory.  If it tries to
peek where it's not supposed to, terminate that process and free up its
resources.  This of course would require Amigas with MMUs, so it couldn't be
used on the low end machines, but then the people who use the low end machines
are typically not the ones who would require memory protection.

I must say that I have never programmed an MMU, and I don't know how difficult
of a challenge this would be.  I would love to hear other peoples' comments
and ideas on this subject.

       ///  Blaise Tarr
      ///
  \\\///    BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu     "Typically, the subject being copied
   \XX/     tarr@cs.psu.edu           is terminated."   -CSM 101
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: Another Amiga Sighted On TV!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:27:52 GMT


The TV commercial of Church of the Latter Day Saints (Jesus Christ somewhere?)
forgot the name. Anyway, a full classroom of kids all using A2000s and
showing DPaint, the teacher asked the kids what can they do to improve the
earth/environment? And the kids scrambled to work on the computers, but
soon find out one kid was out on the lawn to pick up garbage, and they all
joined them. So I guess for them, picking garbage from the lawn is better
than playing with the Amiga :).

I have also seen Amigas in various movies, and TV shows, but don't remember
much, and they are all reported by others anyway. But I have seen a movie
1 year or 2 ago from Hong Kong (in Chinese, but I'm from Hong Kong), which
they are using a 500 at home and a 2000 in the office supposedly doing
business analysis stuff.  This shocks me: although Commodore factory in
Hong Kong produces many Amiga products, the local (HK) market is almost
NIL, I have to really dig around just to find there are 3 dealers, and
they are not very professional and the most people using it are for
games. PC clones own the market there. The Amiga BBS are run by the
"gwilo"s, which are British, Australian, or American. I found that out
in Feb. 92 when I went back for a month.

Now has anybody sighted any Amigas in a foreign film where Amiga is not
popular at all? I think I am holding the record here. :)

David Tse


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David

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tim@lenti.med.umn.edu (Tim Leonard)
Subject: Connecting a VGA monitor to A500 for Productivity?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:47:01 GMT

I just added an ECS Denise chip to my A500 and I want to use
Productivity mode with a VGA monitor.  What do I need to get
to connect the monitor to the video port on the back of the 
A500? Is there some kind of pin converter?

e-mail would be appreciated,

Thanks a lot.

Tim Leonard  tim@lenti.med.umn.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:21:06 EST
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
 <1992Nov18.133139.21744@ifi.unizh.ch> <92323.182614BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Nov19.084052.12588@ifi.unizh.ch> <92324.155004BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92324.155004BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu>, Blaise Tarr
<BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>In article <1992Nov19.084052.12588@ifi.unizh.ch>, (Matija Milostnik) says:
>>
>>In the message you could have a pointer to any memory
>>location you own. This situation CANT be protected, cause the system doesnt
>>know about it.

>That's where you would use the MEMF_PUBLIC flag.  Quoting from the RKRM:
>"This indicates that the memory should be accessible to other tasks."
>Therefore, all correctly written programs use this flag if they want other
>programs to use their memory area.

This is an unsafe assumption at best. Besides, the programmer doesn't
really know what tasks, if any, might need to share data when doing
I/O. (Usually at least two...the filesystem and device driver). It's
not strictly defined, and may change in the future.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: pkm@occrsh.att.com (Pat_Moore(6815))
Subject: Need skip perf on hp500c driver
Organization: AT&T Network Systems
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:57:10 GMT

Has anyone ever created a printer driver for the HP DeskJet 500C that will
allow for continueous paper.  I would like to print banners using pagestream
(as shown in Amazing mag.) and use paintjet paper with the sprocket holes
torn off.  If I could get the printer not to page eject and not to skip the
perferations I would have it made.

	Has anyone done this?

	Is there another way?

	Any clues would be helpful,  Thanks!!!

				Pat.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: HD for A1200
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Distribution: usa
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:23:57 GMT
Keywords: A1200 HD

mjsagar@sandia.gov (Mathias J Sagartz) writes:

>O.K. so now that the A1200 is announced, where are the best
>deals on 2.5 in IDE drives?

I've sold a few Maxtor 2585AT's for $250 over the past bit. Very reasonable
in comparison to the 3.5" versions price. 85MB and 16ms I think. I haven't
heard yet, but hopefully a rom change will NOT be necessary to even use
a hard drive!


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