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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: academic settings
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:07:00 GMT

In article <MITCHELL.93Jan12131539@gluttony.uchicago.edu> mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu writes:

>Her earlier novels THE GAME and STILL LIFE both have academic settings
>in part (resp. Oxford and Cambridge).  And THE VIRGIN IN THE GARDEN is
>almost entirely set in and around a boarding school, if you feel like
>counting that.

I'd skip THE GAME. THE VIRGIN IN THE GARDEN and its successor novel, STILL
LIFE, are excellent, however.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
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(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: "The Third Chimpanzee" and Monty Python
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:12:43 GMT


One of the books I got during xmas time was Jared Diamond's "The
Third Monkey".  Its a look at humans as an animal species, what's
similar about us relative to other primates, and what makes us
so different.  It includes physical anthropology, biology,
anthropology, linguistics, and ecology.  I'm about a third of
the way through and enjoying it immensely.

The following exerpt comes from a discussion about why humans 
are unique in their reproductive strategy.  Diamond lists several
popular theories by scientists of different disciplines and discusses
strong and weak points of these theories.  The theory under
discussion is that concealed ovulation and private copulation
are useful in avoiding conflict within the local society.  

In my mind I saw this as a Saturday Night Live or Monty Python
routine.

	...consider the following scene from an imaginary soap opera,
	showing what life would be like for us modern hunter-gatherers
	if we did not have concealed ovulation and private copulation. 
	Our soap opera stars Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice and Ralph
	and Jane.  Bob, Alice, Ralph and Jane work together in an office
	where the men hunt contracts and the women gather accounts
	payable.  Ralph is married to Jane.  Bob's wife is Carol, and
	Alice's husband is Ted.  Carol and Ted work elsewhere.

	One morning, Alice and Jane both discover on awakening that
	they have turned bright red in order to advertise impending
	ovulation and sexual receptivity.  Alice and Ted make love
	at home before they go off in their separate directions to
	work.  Jane and Ralph go together to work, where they copulate
	occasionally on the office sofa in the presence of their
	coworkers.

	Bob cannot help lusting for Alice and Jane when he sees them
	bright red and sees Jane and Ralph copulating.  He is unable
	to concentrate on his work.  He repeatedly propositions Jane
	and Alice.

	Ralph drives Bob away from Jane.

	Alice is faithful to Ted and rejects Bob, but the hassle also
	interferes with her work.

	All day, Carol in her office elsewhere is seething with jealousy
	at the thought of Alice and Jane, because Carol knows that
	Alice and Jane are bright red and attractive to Bob, while
	she (Carol) is not.

	As a result, the office succeeds in bagging few contracts and
	accounts.  In the meantime, other offices, where ovulation is
	concealed and where copulation is private, prosper.  Eventually,
	Bob, Alice, Ralph and Jane's office goes extinct.  The only
	office that survive are those with concealed ovulation and
	copulation.




William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
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From: isikuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ISIKURO Masaki)
Subject: malcom X
Organization: Dept. of Infomation Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:45:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
X-Bytes: 656

I'm looking for some books concerning about Malcom X (who was a 
black leader that have taken activity to acquire human rights for
black people). Especially, I'd like to get books which contain his 
speeches. If someone have any infomation, Please reply to this posting. 
E-mail reply will be more welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

=============================================================
    Masaki Ishiguro (E-mail: isikuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp)
    Graduate Course, Imai Laboratory,
    Dept. of Information Science,
    Reseach Institute of Science,
    The Univesity of Tokyo (in JAPAN).
=============================================================
From: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:46:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

adolphson writes:

>Ron Hogan writes:
>> Which, I think, even further proves my point.  She dismisses it
>> because she finds it "tiresome".  Now there's literary criticism
>> for you. 

>Well, yes, there's literary criticism for you.

That's not literary criticism; that's a book review.

>Has someone disputed the fact that Paglia infuses her 
>subjectivity into her work?  Here's a nice little 
>exercise for you: name a literary critic or cultural
>historian who *hasn't* infused his/her subjectivity
>into his/her work.

That's a valid point.  As I said, everybody, even the ones
who pretend to objectivity, does present a subjective viewpoint.
But most authors choose between truth through academic tradition
or truth through subjective opinion.  "Truth" in a relative sense,
for the purposes of the particular text, that is.  Trying to have it
both ways is a delicate balancing act which I don't think Paglia
pulls off successfully *in toto*-- but then I'd be hard pressed to
think of somebody who does.

Ron

then again, I may just be jealous because
I'm not pals with Lauren Hutton ;-)
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Bookstore Anecdote
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan10.182430.1347@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:

>>I think more bookstores should be like Borders and have employees
>>pass tests before being hired.

>	Really? Is this true? And if it is, isn't it discriminatory?

It's true, and it isn't discriminatory.  As an editor and writer, I've had
to take editing/writing tests for the last three jobs I've held (as well
as for a host of others I never got).  It's a pain in the neck, but it
makes sense.  

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shouting at robots
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:25:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Re: Hammering on cranky machinery.
  Lst night on the the Stare Trek  (TNG) spin off the engineer
had to kick the transporter console to get it to work. I like
that. 
  The fellow who did the Lewis Carrol/R.U.R transposition
should get the dinero....
-- 
Ted....
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From: mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: 1992 in review
Organization: The Inner Clique
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:22:26 GMT



nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:


> Samuel Wilson Fussell, _Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Body Builder_.
> Fussell turned to bodybuilding because he was terrified of living in NY and
> got hooked.  In the end, intellect triumphs over body, but it's a close call.

Interesting -- from the review I had read, I had assumed that he developed
his body as a reaction to his parents drive to develop their minds.

Does he talk about his father's reaction to his bodybuilding, in the book?


Mark

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From: jean@noao.edu (Jean Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:23:24 GMT

In article <mcirvin.725847818@husc.harvard.edu>, mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin) writes:
> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
> 
> >Hey, that ain't nuthin'.  Try these on for size (yes, I actually know people
> >who have admitted to these):
> 
> >   Bee Gees' "More Than A Woman" = "Bald Headed Woman"
> 

	I thought *my* momcame up with bald headed woman.


	Well, at least I know my sister came up with:

	they sing: Under cover angel, midnight fantasy

	she sang: Under cover stranger, midnight to Tennessee


jean

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From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Subject: Re: The WORST novel ever written?
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:58:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.110557.22561@actrix.gen.nz> John.Roseveare@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In his "Stalin: Breaker of Nations" Robert Conquest notes that "What is to
>be Done?" by Nokolai Chernyshevsky has been described as "..the worst novel
>ever written..".
>
>1) Can anyone who has read Chernyshevsky venture an opinion as to whether
>the reported description is warranted?

I haven't read it, but a (former) SO was once on a search for the worst
literature in the world and found a number of bad Russian writers.  I believe
that Chernychevsky was one of them.  Quite a bit of the 'approved' literature
of Soviet Russia is, at best, flat and lacking in any emotion.  There's a   
current Russian author who has writen a book containing only one word (ford?)
repeated thousands of times.

>2) Are there any other nominations for the title? To qualify, I suggest
>that candidates should have been written as "serious" fiction and
>considered as such by at least a few people somewhere, sometime.

Looks like the start of a month-long thread to me.

>3) Reasons for nominations may be even more interesting than the
>nominations themselves.
>
>-- 
>John Roseveare
>c/- Department of Justice/Private Box 180/Wellington,NZ
>Usenet John.Roseveare.@bbs.actrix.gen.nz / FAX (NZ) 4 4992295

Mike DuVernois                                 m-duvernois@uchicago.edu
Laboratory for Astrophysics and Space Research, Enrico Fermi Institute.
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:24:45 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Joan "Wet Fishes" Shields writes:

	Francis, you're being a bore...  I'd be looking for a sharp stick 
	if I were with Francis in broad daylight.

Does this mean we're no longer engaged?

						RABworm
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From: dsy@psych.toronto.edu (Desiree Sy)
Subject: Re: Cross-Writing (was: Books I Got For Xmas)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:22:39 GMT

In article <1ib2qaINN5hb@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>
>I suppose there are many who share my view that Jane Austen is the
>type novelist par excellence. And yet, her men are totally absurd
>creatures. Do we care? No, not at all. 

Not just her men.  There is nothing inherently realistic about
most of her characters, but for some reason I find them all
truthful.

>Likewise, the Shagger Pagger
>wins no prizes for his women qua women. 

Whaaaaat?  Really?  Excepting the histories, I'd think the women
are quite a lot more interesting than the men.  Look at Viola,
Juliet, Hermione, Portia, Isabella, Rosalind, Lady M and Beatrice.   
Come to think of it, even Portia (JULIUS CAESAR, not MERCHANT OF V)
isn't bad.  This list goes on for a bit.  However, I see that if
you think of the big tragedies, the women aren't as much in
evidence:  all those shrinking violets being drowned, smothered,
or banished.  (Not quite fair; I don't think Cordelia quite falls
in the same category.)

-desiree
From: jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Dissertation Abstracts OnDisc (was: Re: Request: History book
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:31:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan2.031909.379@midway.uchicago.edu>, ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (B
rian W. Ogilvie) writes:
>
>University Microfilms International publishes Dissertation Abstracts
>International, an annual guide to US and some foreign dissertations,
>which is now available on CD-ROM. I don't recall exactly how far back
>the CD-ROM issues go, but I think it's as far as the early decades of
>this century (a retrospective conversion, obviously :-). If UMI has a
>copy of the dissertation on file (many Ph.D. programs require that the
>dissertation be microfilmed and deposited with UMI), one may order a
>photocopy for a reasonable fee (the last one I ordered cost $25).

Access to citation and abstract w/subject indexing goes back to 1980. Citation
and subject indexing go back to 1861 (yes, eighteen sixty-one), on the CD.
Dissertation Abstracts is also available via online database vendors BRS, STN,
and Dialog(?).
-- 
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Confirmed Biblioholics
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:03:31 GMT

                                   Monday, the 4th of January, 1993

Meg Worley writes:
  In all this discussion of biblioholics' bedrooms, I don't
  recall having seen anyone admitting to incorporating books
  and/or reading creatively into their sexlives.  Although
  I decline to give details, my beamish boy and I must plead
  GUILTY.

I'll sidestep the jokes that come to mind (that's Mike Godwin's
mind, not mine) and erotica for a moment to comment that a good
fraction of Martha's and my reading is done while we're in bed,
and that the only acceptable dress in our bed is not to be.
Interruptions of one's reading by the other are expected
and we have been known to intuit thereby the meaning of
Francesca when she said that that day they read no more.

                Mike Morris
         (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
From: 00tlstanchfi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:42:40 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

My brother managed to mis-hear ZZ Top's "slip inside my sleeping bag"
as "Super Sonic sleeping bag".. an intriguing concept to say the least...

tracey
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From: johne@or.credence.com (John Ewing)
Subject: Re: Homophobia (really not about  Homeschooling)
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:56:01 GMT

In article <1ietlqINNfeo@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>
>While this discussion probably better belongs in alt.politics.homosexuality, I  
>would say anyone who supported Oregon Measure 9 (or Colorado Measure 2) is a  
>homophobe.  That doesn't mean everyone in Oregon or Colorado is a bigot, just  
>the ones who believe some minority groups don't deserve equal protection under  
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the law.  And having seen some of the ravings from the "Pro-9" and 
>"Pro-2" groups, I'd be curious how people can support either of these measures  
>and not be homophobic.  

I correct this misunderstanding every time I see it.

The intent of these measures was not to take away "equal protection" from
some "minority" groups.

The intent is to prevent certain people, that exhibit "certain behaviors"
(read: "any unique behavior at all that one choses to engage in -- e.g.
reading mystery novels"), from gaining an unfair advantage under the law
that the rest of the population does not enjoy (the behavior being focused
on here is sexual activity with another of the same sex).  In fact, I
would go so far as to say that the reason these measures were put on the
ballet is to insure equal protection under the law to all citizens.

John Ewing (johne@or.credence.com)
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From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Dickinson (was Re: Paglia)
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:30:17 GMT

In article <JMC.93Jan6142030@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>I learned a lot from _Sexual Personae_.  It made me decide to read
>some Emily Dickinson and Swinburne.  

Maybe I should read La Paglia, after all, to get me to decide to read
Dickinson.  A brief encounter with Ms Emily was sufficient to convince me that 
she was bland, mawkish and weak.  Pale, Pale, Pale, beyond the pale of
inspiration.  We also had a pathetic little poem on the moon as prescribed
reading in school, and to my disgust in our 10th grade board exams (like the 
O-levels) we had to analyse the poem, pointing out the similes, metaphors and 
other such stuff.  I couldn't resist adding that the only point of this maudlin
poem seemed to be to make readers suffer through such exercises (minus 5 on
that question I guess).  So what is a *good* Dickinson to read?  I know many 
Americans consider her a goddess, so may I have a considered opinion?

--
Sanjiva Prasad,  Guest Magus				E-mail: sanjiva@ecrc.de
European Computer Industry Research Centre		Off: +49 89 92 69 91 58
Arabellastrasse 17					Fax: +49 89 92 69 91 70
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:02:17 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <86052@ut-emx.uucp>, jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:
> I've noticed one other interesting phenomenon. I'm unable to be in a new
> town without opening up the Yellow Pages to the "book dealer" section.
> Points assigned on proportion of proper book shops to those "Christian"
> places that sell more prayer books and fishy bumper stickers than
> anything else. Oh, the terror of being in a place with five Bible Book
> Stores and no Den of Novels. I start feeling very itchy, and become
> desirous of leaving. I also begin to suspect, rightly, the quality of the
> cuisine.
> --
> Joann Zimmerman (jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)

I guess you haven't been in any of those stores, then.  I don't 
spend a lot of time in such stores, but there is a variety of
books there, not just Bibles.  You'll find books on a variety of
topics, including the morality of war, environmental stewardship
(from a Christian perspective), abortion (covering a number of 
different opinions) and even, shock of shocks, novels!  Novels 
with a different perspective than you are used to, for sure,
but novels nonetheless.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Wall Street Journal
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:12:22 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Mary Loveless writes:

	Somehow, I think Heather coined the term.  Heather, didn't you 
	also coin the term, Eurodick?  Although now that I think of it 
	'coin' is much too round and female a term for this particular 
	concept.  

Come up with?

						RABworm
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Shouting at robots
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.93Jan5173310@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan6.164605.7165@math.ucla.edu>
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:23:50

Up to today, there were no entries that met my criteria, and I was
thinking that I would save the $25.  Now, there is at least one
entry that qualifies.  I'll decide Friday night who gets the prize.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:03:24 CST
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: 1992 in review

In article <C0D5HF.Ipn@panix.com>, mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto) says:
>
>nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>
>> Samuel Wilson Fussell, _Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Body Builder_.
>
>Interesting -- from the review I had read, I had assumed that he developed
>his body as a reaction to his parents drive to develop their minds.
>
>Does he talk about his father's reaction to his bodybuilding, in the book?
>
When Sam takes up bodybuilding he mentions that both parents were upset.
In one scene his mother visits his apartment and is horrified.  Later,
when he gives up the pursuit to write about his experience, his father
approvingly refers to his "iron etude".

Cole Kendall
From: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: hollis
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:44:40 EST
Reply-To: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Help: can anyone give me the direct dial number for Harvard libraries,
Hollis on-line system?  Please send it via e-mail to 

andrew.cribb@execnet.com

Thanks in advance.  adc
... Brooklyn NY
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International ILink Host
From: stoddard@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (MJ STODDARD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ISBN information wanted
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan3.220511.6901@iitmax.iit.edu>, thsskem@iitmax.iit.edu (Kevin Edward Marth) writes...
>I am attempting the somewhat brain-dead task of entering all the books
>I own into a database (i.e. title,author,type,isbn,price,publisher,etc)
> 
>In an attempt to salvage my wrists, I'd like to find a database that
>maps a book's ISBN number to the above information...

The kind of database you are looking for is called a catalog; they
are found in libraries.

Consider telneting to a library near you (electronically speaking)
and capturing the full record for your own library.  This has the
advantage of eliminating typos, as well.  If you don't have telnet
(gasp :-( try going to your local (public/academic) library and
doing the job there.  If you are very fortunate indeed, they might
even have OCLC -- a database of many millions of publications.  Of
course, the library has to pay for each search, and someone might
have hysterics while you look for the 1277th item, but gee, what are
rich institutions like libraries for (joke! joke!).

MJS
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From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Origin of Atwood .signature?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:58:50 GMT

According to rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold):
>Everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise.  -- Atwood

We Canadians are never sure exactly how well known our local
icons are beyond the confines of our small (second largest)
country.  I guess this .sig indicates that Atwood, at least,
has gained some greater recognition.

So, where's it from?  I'd guess _Surfacing_ from the mood of
the line.

- David
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