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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:52:48 -0400
From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach
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              07 Sep 92 21:53:39 CDT." <9209072302.aa19412@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>:
>>
>>   Teaching required subjects before an audience of essentially
>> uninterested students is not work fit for a human being. Put them in
>> front of a terminal!
>             ~~~~~~~~~
>Substitute television for terminal and I imagine we have the reason for
>the short attention span of so many students today - and for their seeming
>need to be entertained all of the time.  Of course, the "powers that be"
>feel that *good* teachers should be able to motivate students in such a
>way that they will *want* to learn.  Also, you have noticed the key word
>"required."  Once upon a time I taught an elective subject and it was as
>different as chocolate ice cream is from liver pate.
>Doris

Are there too many required courses or too many college students?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:23:52 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: prescriptivism again
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> Does the fact of their being in a majority make them non-prescriptive? They
> have used reasoning similar to what "prescriptivists" apparently do, but
> they have changed the language their way.

The point is that usage dictates the "norm" -- prescriptions don't.  If
the majority are using a word in a certain way, that will become the
"standard" usage -- regardless of why they're doing it or what they're
saying about it.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Greetings,

But perhaps she befuddles.

Marty
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:46:58 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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Richh, what a heartwarming story and loving thing to do.  Thank you for
sharing that with us.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:44:53 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: EMAIL TO MY SCREEN--VILANELLE
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I like it!  Can I put it in ftp space?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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> S&W was available).  Why?  Cuz I've decided its about time again to brush
> up on my grammar.

She means usage or style, not grammar.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     considering writing a macro that says "not grammar"
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Today's pop quiz
Date: 13 Sep 1992 04:06:29 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal) says:

>:On the otther han, after a full day of repeating to9 my mother, "seven
>:times eight is fifty-six" and "eight times seven is fifty-six," I remember
>:-that- ; just don't ask me for six times seven!  I have to do subtraction,
>:on paper, for that one.
>
>I could only remember a * b for a < b.  Presumably because i was intellectually
>aware that a * b = b * a from an early age, and refused o be encumbered by
>the extra baggage of 50% redundant tables.  I'm still the same - six sevens
>I can do but seven sixes i have to reverse before I see the answer :-(
>
What do you do when a = b ?:-)  They forced my class to memorize the tables
both ways, redundant or not,  for n=0 to 10.  Silly, but then that's third
grade math for you.  Maybe the ability to do it both ways coincides with the
ability to read upside down?  And backwards?  It seems to, from personal
observation.  Or maybe I'm the weird one?

Weird Ruth H.

-- 
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	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:38:02 CDT
From:         aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
Subject:      Re: Amazon T-shirt News
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>love, judith, wearing a green green dress with her abh earrings
>              and getting compliments from everyone

Woo-woo! shall we say you're now a "Hot MamaP?"

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:26:28 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Prof. Smith's Fiction
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I haven't had time yet to read more than the first several installments
of giggles.in.library, but I would like to go on and put them in ftp
space anyway.  Any objections?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date: 8 Sep 1992 03:01:26 GMT
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In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:

>Yea!  He's back!  Laissez les bons temps roulez!
Uh oh, Ken's spouting in non-idiomatic French....is this trouble, or does it
does it just mean that all the Phud-induced studies went for naught?:-)

>Come now, you sound like you're blaming all the problems of the
>administration on Congress....:-) Seriously...is the phone system in
>Ireland government-run that it screws up so badly?  If it's
>private!...
Then they're really in trouble.:-)

>Gee, I wonder why that word would give the Irish a wee start....
A few too many aqua automotaes, perhaps?  Still in the bottle?
>The Guiness postcard was great, by the way!
It's just too bad it was only postcards, and not the real thing?:-)
The school teachers on here could probably use a case of the stuff....

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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:53:39 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach
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>
>   Teaching required subjects before an audience of essentially
> uninterested students is not work fit for a human being. Put them in
> front of a terminal!
             ~~~~~~~~~
Substitute television for terminal and I imagine we have the reason for
the short attention span of so many students today - and for their seeming
need to be entertained all of the time.  Of course, the "powers that be"
feel that *good* teachers should be able to motivate students in such a
way that they will *want* to learn.  Also, you have noticed the key word
"required."  Once upon a time I taught an elective subject and it was as
different as chocolate ice cream is from liver pate.
Doris
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:21:18 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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> > Depends on who you hang around with.  The people I hang around with
> > use "disinterested" to mean "unbiased."  But I would guess that we are
> > a minority in this country.
>
> Me too, but you appeared to be arguing the opposite meaning.

I was saying that Jim's context made clear which meaning he intended.
That is often (although not always, of course) the case with these two
meanings of "disinterested."

> > >  And pleading to antiquity isn't
> > > a valid rationalisation for using a meaning of a word totally
> > > counter to the more common common understanding.
> > I couldn't agree more fully!  I've argued this point a thousand times!
> > I certainly wasn't pleading to antiquity for anything!
> >    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> That's strange; you appeared to be arguing the opposite.

Appearances can obviously be deceiving.  I have never argued such a
thing, nor would I ever.  I find it a stupid argument.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:17:14 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Bertie Wooster 2
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              09 Sep 92 05:13:28 -0500. <9209091014.AA02861@sics.se>

  >Wodehouse's world, like any fictional world, has nothing to do with the
  >real world. Automatic writing on this order does exist there.

  Very feeble. You may as well postulate that the Wodehouse characters
are all Martians.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:49:52 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:17:32 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> > When I picked it up a few days ago, it wasn't in ascii but ISO8859/1.  I
 think
> > I'll hang on to my copy :-)
> What's ISO8859/1?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

The ISO version of Ascii.  Chars 0-127 are the same as Ascii; those between
128 and 255 are used for accented characters.  The fact that that file had
no accented characters in it is quite incidental.

G
(ISO == International Standards Organisation)
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:32:15 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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>     ...Asked about who were the most impressive persons to photograph, he
>named Jodie Foster, Isabella Rossellini and Anjelica Huston for not only
>their beauty but for their uniqueness, intelligence and strength.
>     "The quality about these women is like a man's.  Their mind is just
>like a man's, but they are very feminine.  That contrast interests me,"
>said Rolston...

The idea of "Her xxx is just like a man's" being a compliment
is fascinating. When I was a teen, I bought into this, and I'm
still angry at my young self, and at the culture that caused me
to accept this kind of "compliment".

What Rolston is saying is that Jodie, Isabella, and Anjelica
are intelligent and strong, unlike all other women, who are stupid
and weak, and like all men, who are intelligent and strong.

This statement may be a compliment to the three women named, but
it is one hell of a slur on all the rest of us.

Consciousness raising,
judith

>44) AA joke (Judith S.)
AA is (in the US) Alcoholics Anonymous. In the rest of the world
it's the Automobile Association (which is the American Automobile
Association in the US, or AAA).

A standard Alcoholics Anonymous joke is "Denial is not a river
in Egypt".
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:19:00 EST
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Subject:      Dominoes delivers

A pizza for Bernard !

-Mka
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:46:55 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The wonders of telecom
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On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:08:38 EDT, "Rita Marie Rouvalis" <rita@EFF.ORG> wrote:
> 	No, Graham.  You know, men always flatter themselves
> unecessarily (laughably, actually) by thinking all we do is discuss
> them in our little private circles.
>
> 	You reveal too much about yourself with this assumption.  Well,
> no -- we all know how paranoid you are without this pointer.

I was obliquely referring to a specific incident earlier this year involving
two or three of our list regulars.  Details deleted to protect the guilty.

G
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:55:07 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Teaching....

>It was to alert the list to the possible appearance of prescriptivists ...

Since I haven't seen anyone who habitually shouts "WRONG!" I'd like to know
who these evil prescriptivists are :-)

Are there a lot of people working at this low a level of "prescriptivism"
even in the real world?

tushar
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: College choice
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>>parent, she will need financial assistance. She has limited her choices to
>>Georgetown, Duke, Brown, George Washington, Tulane, Johns Hopkins,
>>Stanford and University of Virginia. She has considered financial aid,
>>course of study, housing, and location to limit her selection to these 8
>>schools. Her question is what to look at next. She would like to apply to
>>3 or 4 of these universities.
>>        I told Dana I know just the group to help. Your comments and
>>suggestions about these universities would be appreciated.
>>--patg

>Tell her to go to Brown.  The graduate schools aren't much, but
>it's the best undergraduate education in 'merka.  Really.

>-Mka

	It would have to go a fur piece to beat Dartmouth (which isn't even on
	Dana's list).  But Brown is probably very similar to Dartmouth in that
	regard.

	The schools on the list differ so tremendously -- urban/pastoral,
	public/private, secular/religious, etc. -- that it's hard to come up
	with much of a judgment.

	Nearly 25 years ago, I applied to two schools on the list; Brown
	didn't accept me, but Johns Hopkins did.  On visiting JHU, I was struck
	by the utter disregard for the undergraduate segment of the school --
	the place seemed like a graduate institution, with undergrads around
	mainly to permit them to gain some TA experience.  A lot, I hope, has
	changed in the interim.

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Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:09:12 GMT
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In a previous article, TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA (Tony Harminc) says:

>>birthday natalie 12/25/92
>>(I can't remember exactly because I haven't used it in years)
>
>Sigh - is Unix another of those systems that has American-format dates
>hard coded ?
>
Tony, if this is all you can find to gripe about, go home and put that flu
bug to bed.:-)  Kvetching is an art form that requires all of one's faculties
to be operative....
>(Who is looking forward to dates like 03/01/02)
They will certainly be interesting.<evil grin>  Things will be even more
confusing than they are now.

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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Visiting LA and Chicago
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>West LA is close.  I live a few miles south of LAX.

    Manhattan Beach?  I have a cousin there (actually a cousin
    once removed, since he's my mom's cousin).

>> Friends?

>My fish are very forgiving.

   Whew!  Good, it's a date, then...you, me, and your fish are
   getting together next time I'm in L.A.  Sounds fun!

>--karsten

>(except the one that bites me when I clean the tank)

   Yow!  Not carnivorous, I hope?

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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>>I still think you oughta stop drinking warthog sweat in the
>>morning.

>And I think you ought to take the nipple off your own bottle
>and check what's inside.

I'm confused (big improvement over yesterday, BTW), but do you people
*like* each other?
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:00:22 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
              5 Sep 1992 15:51:10 MED from <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

On Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:51:10 MED Graham Toal said:
>	I bet that people who have both [t] and [0] (<--- that's supposed to
>	be a theta, not a zero) in "eighth" also have both the [f] and the [0]
>	in "fifth" -- something else that I don't have.  I lose the [f].
>	   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>I take the fifth.

I'll buy the fifth.
>
>G

Evelyn
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>                                I thought it had something to do with
>Indian mathematics, which is well known in mathematical circles to
>be based on mysterious insights into the infinite, manifesting themselves
>in enormous and impenetrable formulas.

Such insights have helped me, an Indian, through several crises. The
generic case is that of the lecturer finding me asleep in class. When
I wake up I find accusing eyes pointing at me, but all I have to do is
to contort my face and glint my glasses, so that it is clear to the man
(who is western and clearly devoid of anything except the dullest plodding
intelligence) that I was having a mysterious insight or two into the
infinite.

After class I gently murmur the hymn to the Goddess of Nammakkal, and the
lecturer, hearing that, is quite crushed.

tushar
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
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>You haven't convinced me but your argumentation is interesting.

     "Argument."  (Please.)

     Carol, lurking and wincing
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: wordsler birthdays

>The RobyMeister was born on November 3,

Too late to be a saint or a soul.  Guess that leaves a
RobyMeister.  Is that above or below the cherubim?
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Too busy to play Words-l
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Rod,
 I promise you that this student did *not* make it out of *my* English
class, despite the typos and other assorted errors you may see crop up in
my own messages here.  Is this a *regular* student or one who was enrolled
with kajillions of probationary *if you do this and this and this* kind of
requirement?
Doris

>
>    3. Use this space to tell something about yourself.
>
>    I whant to be a physical theropist when I get out of
>   Salem State. I injoy sports, I play Basketball, and
>   shoot riffles. I'm on the Mass. State riffle team. But
>   I'am hopeing to do well at Salem.
>
> They shoot riffles, don't they?
>
>      --Rod
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