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From: liud@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Don Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:57:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobo.ece.orst.edu

>>If you mean genetically, the people of Turkey are not that different
>>from their neighbours in the eastern Mediterranean.  As for language,
>>I understand that Turkish and Uighur are about as different as Cantonese
>>and Mandarin.
>>

I disagree. I have first-hand evidence of the silimarity between Uygur
and Turkish languages. A student at our university was from Turky. We
were watching a PBS special program about Chinese Minorities. When the
movie started to show Xing Jiang Uygur people, my friend got real excited
because he can understand without any trouble their speech. Good enough?


Happy SCCing!

Meauw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.204752.9482@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>No, ROC is history.

The Republic of China exists.  It's capital is in Taipei.  While it
claims to be the sole government of all China, it has de facto
administrative control over one province.

The People's Republic of China also exists.  It's capital is in
Beijing.  While it also claims to be the sole government of all China,
it does not have de facto adminstrative control over Taiwan.

>Are you serious? You like the name ROC or you
>like KMT? I thought the choice between 1946-1949 was clear - CCP sperseded
>KMT, PRC superseded ROC. If I am wrong, please let me know!

You are incorrect.

The People's Republic of China established de facto administrative
control over the Chinese Mainland.  The government called the Republic
of China retreated to Taiwan where it exercises administrative control
today.

While you may not like the name "the Republic of China," I don't see
how you can argue that the government "does not exist."  While it may
or may not be a legitimate government, this government certainly
"exists."

Look at your passport.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mirsip@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Ivan Popstefanija)
Subject: Re: a fun problem
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:16:49 GMT

In article <BzD75M.Koz@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.165529.5726@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.235211.7349@ee.rochester.edu> you write:
>>|> Now let's have something more advanced. Given 13 balls that look exactly the|
>> same but one of the 13 balls differs in weight from the others, can you
>                               ^^^^^^^ not "is heavier"
>
>I had to use Tian Ping four times. I don't know whether three times is OK,
>though I am trying to prove it unworkable.
>
>>|> find out this ball by using a balance(tian1 ping2) only three times?
>>|>
>>|> Meng
>>Too easy!
>>Here comes the algorithm:
>>
stuff deleted.

The problem I had was this:
12 balls, one of them is slightly different in weight than the other 11.
Given a balance, what's the least times you need to find that different
ball. 
The answer is, 3.
Now, you tell me how you could do it!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Third Power - China, by British
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:05:01 GMT

In article <723145731.16289@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the weekly Economist (the issue of November 28th - 4th December
>1992), which has a survey of China published, it said the following.
>
>1. China is already the world's third or fourth biggest economy, behind
>USA, Japan and maybe Germany.
>
>2. annual growth rate of GNP per head 7.5% (1978 - 1990)
>	a. GNP per head 1976 = US$410
>	b. GNP per head 1990 = US$370
>	c. what is the problem?
             Exchange rate: 3 yuan = $1 1976
                            6 yuan = $1 1990
          If through perchasing power excange rate should be:
                            1 yuan = $2 
            which can only be matterialized through:
                         extensive trade
                         skillful macro monetary manipulation
                         foreign cooperation. 
>
>3. Purchasing Power Parities (PPP)
>	China's PPP = 45% USA's PPP in 1991
>	China's PPP = 55% - 60% USA's PPP in 1992 (forecast)
>
>4. under 9% GNP growth rate
>	1994 GNP = 4 x 1978 GNP
>	2002 GNP = 8 x 1978 GNP
>	2020 GNP = 80% OECD's combined GNPs
Brits are trying to scare the West world with sinophobe!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sijin@dxcern.cern.ch (Sijin Qian)
Subject: Re: 24 points poker game: answer and new game.
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:23:43 GMT

In article <BzBqwK.576@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> b4k@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Ming Luo) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.174600.1@cua.edu>, chenx@cua.edu writes:
>> 
>> Now, the four numbers are
>> 
>> 	10	10 	4 	4
>> 
>> and calculate 24.
>
>	10 + 10 + sqrt(4) + sqrt(4) = 24

((10 * 10) - 4) / 4 seems better.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:02:46 GMT

In article <mKS=!Y@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:

>China's nightmare started from British invasion, the infamous 
>Opium War. It is well known that China was forced to give Hong Kong 
>to Britian as a British colony and as a base to import opium to 
>China. Today, American politicians fight hard against the organized
>crime of drug dealers. They see the future of American will
>be ruined by the drugs. The American dream will be ruined by
>drugs. Yes. Their conclusion is very true. A perfect example
>is not any country else but China. And I would like to point 
>out here that the biggest organized crime organization for 
>drug dealers in the history is not anyone else, but
>
>             BRITISH GOVERNMENT.

I feel this is a *very* unfair characterization of the British government.
True, it did permit the opium merchants to sell opium to the Chinese people,
but when Lin2 Jer2 Shu2 first confiscated opium, the British government
publicly refused to back those merchants, siting moral reasons, and not until
the Ching government expelled the British envoy from Canton and burned the
British flags there did the Queen(!) go to parliament, asking for a war
declaration.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:39:03 GMT

In article <BzBJC1.5GD@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>He was.

No.
Every man in the Universe is God's son. Every woman is God's daughter.
Jesus was a son of God. So, he was your brother. Mao was your brother too.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: a math problem for those who want to challenge china's math champion
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:40:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.203201.5439@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> hh7r@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Hsiang-Hsin  Hsiung) writes:
>>this is one of the 6 problems in the final contest of national math contest of
>>1986.
>>>a plane is filled with any way by either black or white points. Prove that:
>>>there must exist one equi-lateral triangle whose 3 vertex are same color.
>>
>>I dont think there was more than 10 contestants that worked it out (judging by
>>average sores and that it is the last one of 6 problem.)  I dont know the
>>answer, which is why I didnt choose math as my career.
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Wei Huang --- future world No1. of xxx-ology.
>
You are lucky, fellow. Otherwise you would be now in deep dark trouble.
Those who are in hell have heen putting traps to get more people into 
hell. :-)).
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:08:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

In article <1g9s0oINNl1m@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>From article <92Dec10.165619est.54@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, by liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu):
>> I got a question, besides the "turkistan from Agean Sea to Great Wall"
>> rhetoric, how close are Uygurs and Turkish people related?  I really
>> don't think their blood line was that close.
>
>If you mean genetically, the people of Turkey are not that different
>from their neighbours in the eastern Mediterranean.  As for language,
>I understand that Turkish and Uighur are about as different as Cantonese
>and Mandarin.

What I want to know is: how/why are the mongol/manchu languages more similar
to turkish than to chinese? aren't the mongols/manchus mongoloids and the
turks caucassoids?
From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The depreciation of RMB
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:14:49 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <1992Dec15.171942.29196@rpslmc.edu>, jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu (jinzhao wang) writes:
> In article liqfk2INNias@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>Folks,
>>
>>If you have noticed, the value of RMB is going down and down.
>>It has been depreciated many times since the China door is open.
>>It has been in flexible rate day to day, city to city (I wonder
>>why it changes city to city).
>>
>>It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
>>If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
>>before it is too late!
>>
> 
> RMB will be depreciated in the short term, but it may appreciate in the long term.
> My guess is: the exchange rate between RMB and US dollar, 10:1 in 5 years and 1:1 in 20 years.
> 
I agree with you. At least, for those who want to change their RMB to foreign
currency (i.e., obviously, people in mailand), watch out which foreign money
you will buy. Don't buy Rolbul(Russian currency) because inflation there is
1300%! Don't buy Australian Dollar - it has lost about 20% value against US$.
since 2 years ago. Maybe don't buy HK$ either, which is very convenient in
China, especially the South, since HK$ has been getting down almost all the 
time, slowly. Best choice is Keep your money in RMB. Why?
     China is not only on the way of growing, but growing in effectivity,
quarlity and standard. When Chinese goods become more competetive in world
market, the demand will be much higher. Although Chinese goods will still be
cheap, but won't be so much. In one word, Chinese product will increase their
value. RMB will hold even increase its value since China is determinded to
press inflation down. My opion is: if you are a ordinary person but not a 
bussnissman, don't worry about your RMB in hand.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: More messages from Shanghai
Summary: More messages from Shanghai!!!
Keywords: shanghai
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:48:55 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA


Don't mail me, I am simply reposting a posting originated from Shanghai!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: Dean.Lee@f1.n651.z6.fidonet.org (Dean Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hello
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:51:01 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Nov 30 14:28>, Roland of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 R> Hi, could post some news from Shanghai, such like how is the 
 R> weather in Shanghai right now? How is the new subway? And the 
 R> manpu bridge?
Hi, Nice to meet u, Roland. Sorry for later reply. As a Shanghainese, I
think u miss Shanghai. In these days, Shanghai changes very quickly. A lot of
buildings and Sino-foreign joint ventures are setting up in Pudong (a developing
area in Eastern Shanghai). Now the Nanpu bridge has already been used for
one year. And the 2nd bridge - Yangpu bridge over Huangpu river is setting up.
When finishing, it will be the greatest bridge in the kind of these bridges
in the world. The part (Xujiahui<->Jinjiang Park) of the new subway will be
run in 1993. If the whole subway line begins to work, it will change the
transport in Shanghai. In these days, the communications is too bad,  a lot of
jams!! 
Huang Ju is still the Mayor. A few days ago, he visited UK and HK. As a
mayor, I don't think his work is good. I like Zhu Rongji (formal Shanghai Mayor)
very much. Somebody said Mr Huang will leave his position, maybe he will be
the Mayor of Nanjin city.
I am living in Jinshanwei, Jinshan (the suburb of Shanghai, near Shanghai
Petrochemicals Complex). If u have a chance, maybe we can meet in Shanghai.
Today is vey clear in Shanghai.The temperature is 10 C in the day, and 1 C
at night.
Finally, Welcome to Shanghai!!

Dean Lee
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From: zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gun Shot
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92351.175731U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>, U21885@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> 
> According to The World Journal (Chinese Newspaper) , Wednesday , Dec.16,
> 
> 1992 :
>    On Dec 15,1992 at the state of Massachusetts,
>    A hornor student from China shot two to dead and the other four
> wounded , by using his semi-auto rifle which was just bought at the
> same day. After the incident , he called the police department to
> declare the incident.

Can anyone please confirm this?
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:58:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Greeting Card w/ One or More Signatures to the Prisoners of Conscience
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:36:41 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


> Be aware the word "TAIWANESE" was used by Americans to differentiate the mainland
> Chinese and Taiwan Chinese.

Looking at the issues of "TIME" and "US and World Report", I cannot find
any evidence supporting your argument.  Please post the correct
information to this newsgroup or cite the correct resources.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jlmu@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: looking for living place in Ottawa
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:53:53 GMT


Dear Chinese Folks:

I am going to work in Ottawa at the end of this year (on Dec. 31). Could 
someone in Ottawa region help me to find a temporary living place for about 
several weeks or months. It is better near NRC (100 Sussex Dr.). Any 
suggestion on this matter is highly appreciated.
  
Please send email to:  jlmu@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Thanks.
 
Jian-lin Mu
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: educational association?
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:16:11 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College


I have heard that there is some sort of educational association organized by
Chinese students and scholars of education in the USA.  I am very much
interested to get contact with the organization.  If anyone out there has
information in that regard, please let me know.  I would greatly appreciate
your help.  Merry Xmas!
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: fun problem No.3
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:58:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Note: if you are not a person looking for great fun that resides in an
interesting problem, please skip the following.






****   Forwarding a mail from huilong@phoenix.princeton.edu   ***
 

         The choice of life and death

         There were two doors for a prisoner to choose. One was life door
another was death door. The prisoner was forced to choose one of them
to determine his life.

The only thing he can do now was asking another two prisoners in the room,
say A and B. All he knew about them was one always lies and the other
always tells  truth but didn't know who is who. As longtime roommates,
A knew B always lies and B knew A always tells truth. Of course, both of
A and B knew which one is life door and which one is death door.

The prisoner was allowed to ask A or B only once, and the answer
should be as simple as "yes" or "no". 

         At last the smart and poor prisoner found a question to ask such
that from the answer he knew which one is life door and got freedom.

         What is that question?
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 1 dime + 1 quarter = 35 cents
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:18:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Ok, two coins, a dime and a quarter make up 35 cent, right? Now, can you 
make up 35 cents from two coins when one of them is not a quarter?
ZZZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: b4k@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Ming Luo)
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.194437.14870@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, mirsip@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Ivan Popstefanija) writes:
> >
> >Do you know a poker game called 24 points?  If you know it, you know the 
> >rule.  There are four cards, 5, 5, 5 and 1.  Find an arithmatic expression
> >using all the number once and only once to get 24.
> 
> 5*(5-1/5)
	Since we are in the game mood, let me throw one in. I won a T-shirt
for solving it.

	On the left, there is a bucket of water. On the right, there is a
bucket of juice.
	If you take one spoon full of juice from the right bucket, add it
to the water in the left bucket. Stir it till uniform. Then take the same
spoon full of the mixed solution from the left bucket, add it back to the
right bucket. Now the two buckets have the same original volumes.
	Question:

	Did you put more juice into water, or more water into juice?

No rules. No more hints. Give the answer and prove it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:50:53 GMT

From article <BzF77B.IvK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu:
> I am not a "stupid CCP supporter", But I still have a very stupid question
> to ask:
> 
> If you TIers don't think you are Chinese, why do you keep posting so many 
> offensive articles in this soc.culture.china news group? 
> 

TIers believe in freedom of speech. Offensive tone is within the range
of personal flavor. It has nothing to do with the concept of "Taiwan
Independence". All the TIers I know never use offensive wording.

> Taiwanese is not Chinese if China and Taiwan are two different countries. 
> Unfortunately to those TIers, although there is two governments, there is 
> only one country. 
> 

Tell me what is your interpretation to the term "country".
Do you mean you support or recognize the fact of " One country, two
government"?

> Remember the old story "White horse is not a horse"? This is logic of TIers. 
> If this is true, one can argue that TIers is not Taiwanese.
> 

I still don't get the analogy between these two. Can you explain to me?

> 
> Hsi

Heng-Hsin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab354@chpc.utexas.edu (Jim Xu)
Subject: test
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:56:12 GMT

test
-- 




Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32959 soc.culture.hongkong:16426 soc.culture.taiwan:16258
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:22:06 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na  


To the people who think my complaint is simply flames from nowhere, may be you
will find this thread interesting as well.

Is the Hong Kong people Chinese?

And you may be able to understand why I said the original question is very
stupid indeed.


- Louis Pang



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: about that explosion in the microwave 
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:30:18 GMT

I once was warming up a boiled egg in the microwave and it exploded.
The sound was, boy, frightening. When I started to use microwave I
put everything in an aluminum foil, and I got away countless times
without problem. Then came one day a flash and an explosion, some
part of the foil melted. That was when the electromagnetic theory
I learnt came to me.

FY

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: furonhao@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rowggen Fu)
Subject: West Gingseng for Sale
Summary: no
Keywords: ging
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:02:56 GMT


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