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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:07:17 GMT


[some people love Ada; some declare it unreadable]

I'm casting in with R o d; I couldn't put this book down, and have
reread it several times. Ada's childhood architecture of moments--
how they create bridges and towers--is an especially exquisite
passage. Also a great book about profound sexual passion.

Ada also supplied me with the only French joke I know:

"Partir, c'est mourir un peu; et mourir, c'est partir un peu trop."

Kate



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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:22:17 GMT
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In article <JOHN.92Dec18112330@sekrit.WPI.EDU> john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:
>
>Bill Baldwin (just to keep the series going)

Aha!  So maybe you're the one.

I picked up a novel by the aforesaid lump the other day.  Out of
(honest ossifer) sheer scientific curiosity - the mechanics of
awful fiction interest me.

Rave Reviews had, presumably, panned it - doubtless some technical
problem with the kickback - "Roubles?  ROUBLES?  We do not care,
m'sieu, if you have just transacted business with the Deity
Himself - we require currency.  Hard.  Gold, m'sieu, or
cigarettes..." - and the only source of superlatives they could
find, short of whipping up their own bogojournal, was - you
guessed it - 

"SF LOVER'S DIGEST."

I tossed, of course, but got a good handle on the vector, and
avoided having to buy the damned thing.  Ended up with a bunch of
mildly stained Crowleys.

c
From: weber@bucknell.edu (Bryan Weber)
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Subject: Domes of Fire
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:20:03 GMT
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Has anyone read David Eddings's new book, Domes of Fire?  I'm thinking of
buying the hardback, and I want to know if it's worth the twenty-plus
dollars it'll cost me.  Is it?

  -bW
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:36:52 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) wrote:
[ on Nabokov's "Ada" ]
> Personally, I found it nearly impossible to read.  In contrast I really
> enjoyed _Lolita_ and later, _Despair_.  It just seemed to me that in _Ada_,
> Nabokov had written something that only a few people in the world (himself
> among them) had enough language ability to understand and enjoy.

What convinced me never, ever to bother with this thing (having already
read and loathed "Pnin" and "Pale Fire", two books which show a smug would-
be-aristocratic disdain for most of the human race as beneath contempt) was
a review by the New Zealand writer Bruce Mason who delightedly unearthed a
sample of what Paul's talking about: an occurrence of the phrase "Te Work-
Basket".

"Te" is the Maori definite article; this sent Mason off to his dictionary
to translate "work-basket" as "paro no mahia".  Change one letter and you
get "paronomasia", ancient Greek for "pun".  Anybody with an ego capable of
this sort of fuck-you-if-you-don't-live-in-a-reference-library stunt is not
producing anything I want to waste effort decoding, thanks.

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From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Eco-Catastrophe Novel Request
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:06:50 GMT

In article <01GSCLYK9S1W0056RV@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU> REYNOLDS@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU ("That ended; so also may this") writes:
>A friend of mine who is not on the list has found that a book she's used for
>a course (first-year college) has gone out of print--NATURE'S END by
>Streiber and Kunetka.
>
>Can anyone recommend a replacement--the idea is that the eco-catastrophe (does
>not have to be the end of the world) is precipitated by a continuation or
>extension of current trends (global warming, etc.).
>

"The Sheep Look Up" by John Brunner

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From: gallim@stsci.edu (Jack Gallimore,P254)
Subject: Re: Rama Reveiled by A.C. Clarke
Originator: gallim@icarus.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:42:18 GMT

From article <urf.724141762@sw2001>, by urf@icl.se (Urban F):
> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
> 
>>The first Rama book was BORING. [...]

You've got to be kidding me.  If the science wasn't 
enough to interest you, or Clarke's unpretentious style
(try to find that in more contemporary authors), then
what are you doing reading Clarke or science fiction to begin
with?  

In other HO's, I couldn't finish Garden of Rama. I liked
the first part, and was glad to see it make up
for the dismal Rama II, but man, did it go
to hell or what?  Could somebody please e-mail me the ending,
or tell me if I'm better off not knowing?

Also, what's the deal with the re-veiling of Rama?  I didn't
know it had a veil to begin with.  I hope it
isn't reveiled, as it's so much more REVEALING without.
Of course, I in know way condone the slaughter of calves.
:( <== hard to smile in the wake of bad puns....

-- 
         Jack Gallimore
        Academic Affairs
Space Telescope Science Institute
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From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
Subject: Re: Why Heinlein's folk want babies
Organization: Yale University
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:39:35 GMT

Paul Ciszek (pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: [snip] We are talking about starting a colony for the sake of starting a
: colony; a viable human population is the goal, not the means. [snip]

So, why do Heinlein's folk want colonies?

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From: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein and "wimmin"
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:35:25 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
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In article <BzD2Eo.Hts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>I essentially agree. Would just like to add, that Heinlein impresses 
>me most for one particular reason. Ever notice how well he, in the mid 20th
>century, caught the flavor of the late 20th century?

	Yes!  Re-read the newspaper headlines which precede each chapter
of _Starnger_ some time.  They have lost their intended shock value
entirely, and sound almost old-fashioned.

						Dan
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From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Brokedown Palace
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:31:47 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

I'm a little confused about this book.  I have the feeling that I'm
supposed to understand what happened on the last couple of pages...  Okay,
I know who Devera is, so that's not a problem.  Who the heck is Brigitta?
Who was her dad?  What's gonna happen to her?  Who's her and Miki's
daughter?  Help!

bill
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:18:36 -0500 
From: John Robert Leavitt <jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists

For me (think off the top of my head here):

Kim Stanley Robinson
James Blaylock
Terry Pratchett
Douglas Adams
Brian Herbert
Rudy Rucker
WIlliam Gibson (except for Agrippa, of cour$e)
Bruce Sterling
Mel Gilden
Barrington Bayley
Jack Womack
Joe Haldeman

Just below those are:

David Brin
Greg Bear
Gregory Benford (the three Bs!)
Lucius Shepard
Mike Resnick
Roger MacBride Allen
Patricia McKillip

-John.
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From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Subject: Re: The Wheel of Time: Prophecies and Portents
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:27:51 GMT



	Hmmm.  Just thought of this...

	With all the discussion about how Logain might yet play some part in
	the story, and how he may somehow become ungentled...

	What if Rand really _isn't_ the Dragon Reborn?  What if the Aes Sedai
	actully screwed up, and Logain is the one who should be considered the
	DR, while Rand is just a bit player?

	I don't doubt that someone may find convincing evidence to refute
	this; if fact, I hope so.  But still...


-- 
Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
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From: rvf@netcom.com (Richard Frueh)
Subject: Re: Eco-Catastrophe Novel Request
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Summary: another choice
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:01:51 GMT

bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)  writes :

> Can anyone recommend a replacement--the idea is that the eco-catastrophe
(does
> not have to be the end of the world) is precipitated by a continuation or
> extension of current trends (global warming, etc.).
>
 
Any number of novels by John Wyndham, including _The Burning World_ and
_The
Drowned World_.
 
John Christopher's _No Blade of Grass_.
--------------

Another one that I liked, besides these 3 is _The Last Gasp_ by Trevor
Hoyle, from 1982 or 3.


Richard Frueh 	         	rvf@netcom.COM
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Good Fantasy was Re: Dragonlance
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:28:24 GMT

Chua Hak Lien (c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: What I find lacking in all the T$R fantasy books is, almost paradoxically,
: imagination. 
: ...
: T$R just relies on a stale and boring rehashed
: game-world, with nothing really appealing or captivating.

Very good point. TSR doesn't dish out much new. The Dark Sun books
are a strange exception -- they're very imaginative and have
their own world that's unique in fantasy, at least what I've read.

I'm kinda surprised it comes from them. I recommend it, 
esp. the latest book in the series. Definitely a change
from the mounds of hack writing TSR does come out with
(I lump dragonlance into that category, too -- oddly enough,
I still haven't figured out what the story in the original
series was. Very disjointed. DL books *do* make good trade
ins, though :))

Scott

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From: mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Dragonlance
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:41:39 GMT

In article <Bz3n2L.82F@apollo.hp.com>, @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
> 
> 
                 (various attacks on Dragonlance (mostly by me) deleted)

> I liked the books I read. I read the first two trilogies. I found them to be
> a fun read. 
> 
> I like to role play in the AD&D world. I liked the fact that the books had a
> roleplaying feel. (I heard they role played some scenes to get the feel right.
> 
> Some of the charaters were interesting as well. (ie Raistlin)
> 
> Was it classic fantasy? I doubt it. But at my gaming sessions I am not looking
> for literary discussion. I am interested in getting into fantastical situations
> which require using magic, sword, and _Brain_ to get out of them. This was the 
> same feel in the Dragon Lance books I read. 
> 
> 	--Jennifer
> 	jlevine@apollo.hp.com

	(sigh)  Once more into the fray...

I have no objection to GOOD swords and sorcery.  (GOOD defined as well-written,
(stylistically) well-plotted, self-consistent, ORIGINAL, and exciting).  
Unfortunately, for me Dragonlance failed all of these except (self-consistent).
It was just plain bad fantasy, and I don't understand why people like it instead
of good swords and sorcery like the Robert E. Howard/L. Sprague de Camp Conan
stories, the Fritz Leiber "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" stories, the Elric/
Corum/Hawkmoon stories by Michael Moorcock, etc.
It seems like just about all the newer swords and sorcery authors are writing
stories more in the Dragonlance/fluff mode instead of taking the time and
effort to be creative.  An overwelming amount of fantasy written today is
cheap garbage, and it makes me sad.  If they can't write anything good, why do
they write so much?


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From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: Re: Ending of Tigana question *spoilers*
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: tigana
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:38:00 GMT

In article <Bz9vrF.99s@javelin.sim.es.com>, krogers@javelin.sim.es.com writes...
>I just finished Tigana.  I'd never heard of Kay before as I'm only an
>infrequent sf or f reader.  Anyway, I picked it up on a whim the other
>day.  It was really good - far above the norm IMO.
> 
>I have a question about the very last paragraph of the book.  Sandre,
>Baerd and Devin see a Riselka (sp?) at the same time.  I knew three
>men meeting one at the same time had some significance but I forgot
>what it was and couldn't find it again in the book.  It went something
>like: "One will find his path, one will die,...".  Can anyone tell me
>what three things happen?
> 
The verse you want is right at the end of the section "Dianora" (sp?). It goes 
(from memory):
     One man sees a riselka
     His life forks there.
     Two men see a riselka
     One of them dies.
     Three men see a riselka
     One is blessed, one forks, one will die.
     (For women, one is blessed, one sees her life clearly, one has a child.)

So--which of the three (Sandre, Baerd, Devin) gets which part of the prophecy?

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Rama Reveiled by A.C. Clarke
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:20:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: (Evil Eye Creature from Mars, Inc.)

In article <1992Dec11.213532.14667@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) wrote:
> The first Rama book was BORING.  People land, people gawk at the
> scenery without really finding anything out, people kill monkeys, 
> people leave.  There's no conflict (except for that last part about
> the monkeys), it's just they look around and leave.  They don't
> even find much out about the aliens--just that they're THERE.

Hey, that was the mystique element of the book that won all the 
prices. IMHO the follow-ups became 'boy-meets-girl' SF, and the
Twin Peaks style RAMA style was lost forever.

Kent
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From: bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent Jones)
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:28:04 GMT

In article <wfT=CC@engin.umich.edu>, rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard Grant has written a lovely essay advocating a kind of
> Nabokovian approach to SF, published various places, including one of
> those Nebula Award Winner Thingies books a year or two back.  One of
> the best critical pieces on SF I've read in a long time.
> 
> -- 
>        Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
>     
>                 "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
>                                           --Jim Dickinson

James P. Blaylock describes Nabokov as one of his main influences,
especially
in his short fiction. One of his earlier stories, "Pink of Fading Neon"
published in _TriQuarterly_, is very Nabokovian and would qualify as
literary SF in anyone's book, I would imagine.

--
Brent Jones, Lead Tech. Editor, U S WEST IT, bjones@denitqm.uswest.com
"of beautiful weeds that cannot hide from the farmer and helplessly have 
to watch the shadow of his simian stoop leave mangled flowers in its wake, 
as the monstrous darkness approaches."--V. Nabokov _Signs and Symbols_
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From: rcrowley@donne.zso.dec.com (Rebecca Crowley)
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:43:07 GMT

Autobuy list:

C.J. Cherryh (science fiction)
Daniel Keys Moran
Ed Regis (science, rather than sf)
Spider Robinson (Starseed is the closest I've come to regrets)
James Schmitz (there's still a couple I'm missing)
Allan Steele (except a friend always sees them first, and I get his copies)
  (speaking of which, I saw a listing in Locus for _Rude Astronauts_.  Anyone
  know what this is about?)
John Varley
Vernor Vinge

Heinlein would be here, only, of course, there isn't any left to
buy.  :l

Authors hovering on the edge of autobuy:

C.S. Friedman (possibly the result of reading all 3 in a row recently)
Jack Vance (what is it with me and V's?)

I really liked _Halo_ -- I'll likely buy the next Maddox novel I 
see.  :-)
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From: paulo@ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat)
Subject: Re: Ending of Tigana question *spoilers*
Keywords: tigana
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:02:17 GMT

In article <15DEC199217385923@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673) writes:

|> The verse you want is right at the end of the section "Dianora" (sp?). It goes 
|> (from memory):
|>      One man sees a riselka
|>      His life forks there.
|>      Two men see a riselka
|>      One of them dies.
|>      Three men see a riselka
|>      One is blessed, one forks, one will die.
|>      (For women, one is blessed, one sees her life clearly, one has a child.)
|> 
|> So--which of the three (Sandre, Baerd, Devin) gets which part of the prophecy?

I wondered a bit about that myself. Presumably, Sandre dies -- being very old.
I would think that Bard is blessed and Devin's life forks, since it was emphasized that
Devin had a choice between several possibilities.

|> 
|> Susan Kayser	

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From: lamont@sp1.cup.hp.com (LaMont Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Tad Williams
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:16:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Chris Bulleri (bulleri@chopin.eng.gtefsd.com) wrote:

: Ok, I really hate to ask this but I haven't heard anything
: about his new book in a while, last I heard it was supposed
: to come out in Oct.  I haven't seen it yet.  Could someone
: let me know what the release date is now.

Feb/March 93.  The manuscript (all 1600 pages of it) stands taller than
a standard paperback on edge.  But then, he's called The Killer of Trees
for a reason.

: Yep, I know that Piers Anthony co-wrote it :-) since Tad was
: killed in a freak gardening accident. :-) :-)

That was a bathtub accident.  You should really keep up on these things :-)

lamont
From: gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk (Graham James Reilly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Literary SF
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:17:25 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

"Outside the Dog Museum" by Jonathon Carroll.  When I first read this I thought
it was normal mainstream literature with a bit of magic realism thrown in but it
just won the British Fantasy Award for best novel this year, so I suppose it must
be fantasy as well.  It's one of those blurred genre novels, but is very very
very very good ( plug plug ).


Dylan
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From: phatch@solstice.slc.mentorg.com (Phill Hatch (CONTRACTOR Documentation))
Subject: Two Glen Cooks?
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.,  Murray, Utah
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:34:06 GMT

So there is the Glen Cook who wrote Black Company and Dread Empire.

And there is a Glen Cook who wrote Garrett P.I. fantasies. 

Garrett is from a different publisher than Black Company (TOR?).

So are these two Glens the same?


Email or post replies.


Thank you, Thank you

Phil
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From: jat@edsr.eds.com (Jon A. Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,soc.history
Subject: Re: Civil War Alternate Histories
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:47:09 GMT
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Organization: EDS Research, Dallas, TX 75230

In <1g8juqINNrkf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:


>My favorite (though slightly horrifying) idea for an alternate
>CW-era history is this; what if there had been a few less "fire-
>eaters" in the South and a few more level-headed pro-slavery
>types who refused to panic when Lincoln was elected?

Good one! Much more plausible, I think, than the usual what-if-
Pickett-had-made-it-at-Gettysburg stuff. (As Shelby Foote said,
in many ways the North fought the war with one hand behind its back).

A similar idea that I've often wondered about concerns George
McClellan and the conservative Union Democrats: what if Little
Mac had taken Richmond in the Peninsula Campaign in 1862, and
then won the war? Bruce Catton, among others, hilights the irony
that the conservative, limited political goals that McClellan
espoused could only have been achieved by a short, decisive war,
as opposed to the "remorseless revolutionary struggle" that evolved.
The Union might have been preserved with slavery intact (and McClellan 
would presumably have been the next president).

	JT
From: klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: LENSMAN?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:12:28 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <ELIZ.92Dec13182325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu> eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
>Scott Drellishak posted:
>
>   > What about (from memory): "cool your jets", "hipe!", "zwilnik", "space
>   > louse", [...]  *These* are examples of
>   really bad "futuristic" jargon. 

I've heard "cool your jets" on a cereal commercial, and "hype"
is somewhat popular nowadays. >:)

-- 
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