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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:56:01 -0500
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: MAILER 2.10 and missing pieces...
Comments: To: Crosswell Mailer <XMAILER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              11 Dec 92 21:18:50 +0000. <9212112311.AA07067@Princeton.EDU>

> >BTW, am I correct to assume that the netdata mail will have the appropriate
> >flag set in the file header that indicates "note" format so that DMSDDL
> a.k.a.
> >RECEIVE will read it into a NOTEBOOK?
>
> I almost hope this *isn't* true, although it's probably the right
thing to do.
> If only read NOTE files came that way, I might be able to do a better job of
> dealing with the brain-dead IBM note header format that won't occasionally
> confuse them with RFC822 headers which happen to have the word "at" in just
> the wrong place.  Being sure that the files come with a filetype of something
> other than NOTE would help.

I thought I had replied to this question, but maybe I didn't.

The bit that indicates "note" format is *not* set.  Mailer is delivering
RFC821/2 mail, not IBM "note" format.


  John
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:12:46 EST
From:         Richard Varenas <VARENAS@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Nicknames
              15 Dec 1992 16:53:06 -0500 from <jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU>

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:53:06 -0500 <jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU> said:
>> Using Vm Mailer R 2.09 beta, how would I set up a nickname?
>>
>> Example: MAIL userid@test
>>
>>          >should be delivered to userid@test.ocs.drexel.edu
>>
>> I am not sure if it should be defined in the OUTGOING TABLE?
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>>
>> -Rich
>
>Rich, There are two steps:
>
>1.  *GET RID OF 2.09* (sorry for the volume, but I wanted to be sure you
>    heard that one).  2.09 is not supported and has a major bug that will
>    cause routing tables to disappear (apparently randomly).  Replace it
>    with 2.10.
>
>2.  Use the forwarding capability of mailer to forward anything destined for
>    userid@test (where test is the local node and is defined in the outgoing
>    table using the LOCAL exit) to  userid@test.ocs.drexel.edu.
>
>    See the installation doc and the FWD command help file.
>
>
>   John

John, I will be requesting and installing Mailer v2.10 soon. I have spoken to
you personally about the ptf level I am running and you said it should be okay.
I haven't had any problems so far in regards to disappearing tables.

What I really want is a synonym for node test so that mail addressed to 'test'
would go to 'test.ocs.drexel.edu' regardless of the userid specified.

-Rich
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:53:06 -0500
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Nicknames
Comments: To: Crosswell Mailer <XMAILER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              15 Dec 92 16:38:21 -0500. <9212152142.AA06835@Princeton.EDU>

> Using Vm Mailer R 2.09 beta, how would I set up a nickname?
>
> Example: MAIL userid@test
>
>          >should be delivered to userid@test.ocs.drexel.edu
>
> I am not sure if it should be defined in the OUTGOING TABLE?
>
> Thanks for any information.
>
> -Rich

Rich, There are two steps:

1.  *GET RID OF 2.09* (sorry for the volume, but I wanted to be sure you
    heard that one).  2.09 is not supported and has a major bug that will
    cause routing tables to disappear (apparently randomly).  Replace it
    with 2.10.

2.  Use the forwarding capability of mailer to forward anything destined for
    userid@test (where test is the local node and is defined in the outgoing
    table using the LOCAL exit) to  userid@test.ocs.drexel.edu.

    See the installation doc and the FWD command help file.


   John
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:22:51 +0100
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MAILER 2.10 and missing pieces...
Comments: To: Multiple Recipients of <XMAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET>
              13 Dec 1992 10:28:01 +0200 from The Crosswell Mailer List
              <XMAILER@FINHUTC>

On Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:28:01 +0200 "Lawrence S. Kalman"
<VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL> said:

>Do I have any alternative to modifying the logic of the server?

I'd say this is just another instance of a server which requires files to
be sent  in PUNCH  format. Personally  I'd rewrite  the server  anyway to
avoid using RECEIVE, for security reasons, but that's another matter :-)

  Eric
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:29:20 EST
From:         Mark Bodenstein <MAB@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Nicknames

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:12:46 EST Richard Varenas said:
>What I really want is a synonym for node test so that mail addressed to 'test'
>would go to 'test.ocs.drexel.edu' regardless of the userid specified.
>
>-Rich

We would like this too - to be able to direct mail for all users on a
Bitnet host (NOT the local host) to an Internet address.  This is so
that we have have Internet (only) connected machines appear in the
Bitnet name space, i.e. "mail only" Bitnet nodes that are actually on
the Internet.

Currently we're doing this by specifying in the :servers1 tag in the
BITEARN NODES entry for these machines a mailer on a local VAX running
PMDF, which supports this function, for BSMTP format mail.  The VAX will
be going away, and I'd like to be able to do this on VM, for both BSMTP
format mail and unwrapped RFC-822 format mail.

Is this doable in Mailer 2.10?  Is it doable in LMAIL?

Mark Bodenstein  (mab@cornellc; 607-255-8059)
Cornell University
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:49:44 -0500
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: adresing problems
Comments: To: Crosswell Mailer <XMAILER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              15 Dec 92 17:21:22 +0700. <9212151631.AA03373@Princeton.EDU>

> I am working on  BITNET nodes running VM/SP. We have problem with some
> of the non delivered mails that go through our gateway. As we were running
> Mailer 2.07 we thought that the problem is in mailer version. But
> after switching to 2.08 the problem persists.
> We will be very happy for any advise.
>                                       Ingrid Ledererova
>
> There is one example of such non delivered mail:
> _______________
>
> ... text deleted ...
>

This header line (generated by Mailer)

> To: @earn.cvut.cs:kleindienst@cs.felk.cvut.cs

is wrong.  Should be fixed in 2.10.


  John
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:28:01 +0200
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: MAILER 2.10 and missing pieces...

On Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:18:50 GMT Richard Alan Schafer said:
>In article <XMAILER%92121021491741@HEARN>,         "Lawrence S. Kalman"
><VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL> writes:
>>BTW, am I correct to assume that the netdata mail will have the appropriate
>>flag set in the file header that indicates "note" format so that DMSDDL
>>a.k.a. RECEIVE will read it into a NOTEBOOK?
>
>I almost hope this *isn't* true, although it's probably the right thing to do.
>If only read NOTE files came that way, I might be able to do a better job of
>dealing with the brain-dead IBM note header format that won't occasionally
>confuse them with RFC822 headers which happen to have the word "at" in just
>the wrong place.  Being sure that the files come with a filetype of something
>other than NOTE would help.

Then let me ask a question instead of trying to answer it.  We have a server
which currently distinguishes between mail and other files by the simple
technique of issuing RECEIVE = JUNK FILE A (NOTEBOOK ALL.  JUNK FILE and ALL
NOTEBOOK do not exist before the command is issued.  Either ALL NOTEBOOK or
JUNK FILE will be created by the RECEIVE  command depending on whether or not
the file is mail.  This is because punch format files are recognized as mail if
the file type is either MAIL or NOTE, and netdata files are recognized based
on the note flag in header record INMR02.   As I now understand it, a netdata
mail file received from XMailer will break this server.  Do I have any
alternative to modifying the logic of the server?

- Lawrence
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:57:22 -0500
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Re: MAILER 2.10 and missing pieces...
Comments: To: Crosswell Mailer <XMAILER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              11 Dec 92 21:47:42 +0000. <9212112332.AA08714@Princeton.EDU>

> Just to be sure I understand: the entire file (BSMTP envelope and all) is put
> into netdata, right?  (Doing the BSMTP envelope around a NETDATA file would
> be more difficult.)

Yes, the entire stream is (BSMTP headers, 822 headers and body) is
transferred as a single netdata file (with 1 file in it).

  John
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:38:21 EST
From:         Richard Varenas <VARENAS@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Nicknames

Using Vm Mailer R 2.09 beta, how would I set up a nickname?

Example: MAIL userid@test

         >should be delivered to userid@test.ocs.drexel.edu

I am not sure if it should be defined in the OUTGOING TABLE?

Thanks for any information.

-Rich
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Organization: Syracuse University Computing Services
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:57:31 LCL
From:         Network Manager <NETMAN@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      2.10 MTPLATE

Questions, questions, questions.

SAMPLE $MTPLATE contains the variable "Local-Domain." It is not
described  in  the install  manual.  Significance  of its  value?
Interacts in some way with "Local-Host#" or no?

Install manual  describes the  variable "No-Waiting-For-Work-Msg"
but CHANGE  MEMO and  John's announcement  message for  2.10 have
"Waiting-For-Work-Msg." Which?


Glenn A. Malling (NETMAN@SUVM) or netman@suvm.syr.edu
Syracuse University Computing Services   +1 (315) 443-4111
Machinery Hall  Syracuse, New York 13244-1260
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Subject:      Call for commentaries

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TITLE:  From High-Touch to High-Tech:  Hospital Nursing and
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AUTHOR:  Susan L. Weeks, Sam Houston State University, USA

ABSTRACT:

Hospital nursing is an occupation undergoing change, seeking its
place as the patient's advocate and the physician's co-worker
amidst the machines.  Yet the current sociological literature on
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Subject:      VIGIS-L

                 A N N O U N C I N G. . .

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   The discussion is wide open for topics such as: what
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The Membership:
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:54:44 EST
From:         Dieter Christensen <dclists@WOOF.MUSIC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      driver for HP4
Comments: cc: dc@woof.music.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene


   I've got my NB 4.0 to print ok to out HP III with the HP III driver that came
with NB 4.0. Now I switched to the HP 4 - and it chokes on anything other
than Courier 10 or 12 pt. I know, serves me right. I have tried to use the
HP III driver (so much for downward compatibility on the HP side), of course,
in the absence of a HP 4 driver.
	So where do I go from here (like trade in the HP4 for an HP III) ?

Dieter Christensen
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:50:31 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Before y'all set nomail for the season....

Peace, happiness, and a hug all round; and may 1993 be all we hope for
-- we deserve no less!
 ---------------

Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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     home is (0) 382 81 384 (ring if you're in the UK)
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:39:00 CST
From:         Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      deprovements
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Just an idle question: do any of the more erudite members of this list know
what the REAL word is, for which the very useful coinage "deprovement" is a
substitute?  Since the world is so full of them (PC Tools users can verify
this!), it seems there ought to be a less makeshift denomination available.

                                             Michael Ossar
                                             Kansas State University
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:13:18 EST
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2
From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Review and Ascii 0
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

From: Allan Needell

  Ada, Tony, et. al.,

 Thanks for the comments on my posting.  I should have waited until I
  had the opportunity to explain myself more clearly.  The ascii
  0/review questions arises from my quest for a convenient and effective
  way to generate email messages with NB4.  Some may recall that I
  carelessly used the special ascii export feature from the menu one
  time and failed to notice that the program had inserted two full lines
  of ascii 10 (line feed) characters at the end of the document.  An
  otherwise fascinating note (it was about twain meeting) was marred by
  some 20 trailing blank screens.

 On the advice of no less an expert than Dorothy Day, I obtained a copy
  of Michael Shalev's 1991 vintage email.rn program.  Email.rn uses the
  review feature to generate an emailable document.  I've described how
  a nested delta in that program seems to drive NB4 crazy.  So I set
  myself the task (part curiosity, part recreation) to modify Shalev's
  program to work with NB4.  I thought I had accomplished that (this
  message is so generated).

 But look closely!  Note the uneven left margin.  I have tracked down
  the cause, but still seek a cure.  It is those invisible ascii 0,s
  that "review" in NB4 seems to insert following the MDNM deltas it
  places at the beginning of each line.  I can't seem to get rid of them
  in a fashion I can place in the nb4eml.run program I have built out of
  the Shalev original.

 So that's why I asked.

 PS.  The export feature really works OK, as long as you remember to
  manually erase the ascii 10s before uploading, so this is just a
  personal challenge.

 PPS. I know review works for what it is designed for.  I'm not holding
  NBI responsible.

 PPPS.  The program changes offset to 0 and the spaces are visible only
  outside of NB4.

 

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:09:02 EST
Reply-To:     walshj@sjuvm.stjohns.edu
From:         "Jerome T. Walsh" <walshj@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: LaserTwin 5.0 & NB
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

In Message Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:21:00 GMT, "Mark D. Szuchman, History, writes:

>For those who have dot matrix printers or laser printers (HP or other brands),
>a software product called Laser Twin 5.0 is available to emulate the scalable
>sizes and type faces of the HP III.

Mark,
   Does Laser Twin 5.0 work with prehistoric 9-pin dot matrix printers like
the Epson FX-80?
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:43:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1.BITNET
Subject:      Printing linked files: a continuing annoyance
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

As long as we are all qvetching, let me join in. One of the few real
NB annoyances (to me at any rate) is the inability to print a page range
in linked files, a problem that continues from earlier versions into the
present. Yes, I know it can be done if the page range at least begins
in the first file in the link (or manuscript) file. But, I was printing
out a seven chapter ms. and had to make some changes in chapter five.
Simplicity would suggest PRINT @FILENAME.MS ,47- but this doesn't work.

Have any of you devised a work around other than creating a new manuscript
file and using a set page command at the top of the first file?

Rob Lavenda                       lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 92 20:01:13 EST
From:         Barbara T Blaustein <btb@SMILEY.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      judaeo-arabic
Comments: To: NOTABENE@VM.TAU.AC.IL
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene


	I followed the discussion last maont about editing fonts and about
Arabic fonts with much interest and a little understanding.  I'd like to adapt
Itamar's beautiful Hebrew font for Judaeo-Arabic.  Very few actual changes are
necessary, although they would need to be made for printer fonts as well as
screen fonts. Is anyone willing to explain to me, very simply and explicitly,
just what I have to do in order to make the minimal changes needed?


	Michael Blaustein
	btb@mitre.org
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