From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Sounds like Democracy to me. (Was Re: Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:18:05 GMT

In article <1ialmkINN9nf@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins)) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.233744.1311@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
    >Well a public office person can be recalled on many things-
    >if they advertise themselves as believing a particular
    >political philosophy, and then do the opposite, it is well
    >within the rights of the people to call them onto the carpet.

As he is the leading vote getter TWICE, I'd say that the voters knew/wanted
what they were getting. Like Bush, he could have fooled them once, but
not twice.

    >There have been many people in government 'who were the
    >leading vote getters' and still they vote they way they wish,
    >and as we have see eventually lose their position. You need
    >only look at one of your favorite targets, the US Congress-
    >we vote (a small set of the eligible voters at that) them in
    >and they vote according to special interest group pressures.

You'd have a point, if Andy was being elected to pass coercive laws and
had multi-millions of prok barrel money plus coercive legislation designed
to keep challengers neutralized.

    >And also keep in mind that many times- elections, especially
    >at schools, are popularity contest- they are not so grounded
    >in the idea of political position or ideology.

So? You claim that somehow obviates the election? That the elction is
meaningless and those of us that are the Annointed Politically Correct
have the right to say "oh, piffle, it's just a popularity contest"?

    >And if it is outside of the University, in the sense that it
    >does not interfere with her work- then what is the problem.
    >Should the University stop her activities- even in her own
    >spare time? Should they police her and reprimand her for the
    >recall action?

Then faculty members at Universities CAN join white only clubs, or use
golf courses that exclude Jews, and get their club dues paid for racist
clubs that exclude on the basis of race, as only black faculty members
in [some] Universities can do now?

    >And of course we won't even delve into the political bais of
    >a newspaper- in general they take a position and viewpoint
    >when they report on political issues- SJMN may be anti-PC or
    >whatever one wishes to label it.

The SJMN reported a situation. If you have FACTS that are at odds with
what it said of what I posted, then bring them on. If you can't deal with
FACTS, keep your fantasies and ad hominiem attacks to yourself.

    >This sounds like democrary to me. She is initiating a recall-
    >that his right, and she has to get the backing to have said
    >person removed from his office. If she gets majority backing,
    >then that sounds democratic to me.
    >
    >Again, popularly elected does not mean much today and
    >possibly even in the past. A large majority of people vote
    >according to the best advertisements that they saw, or
    >because their friends vote that way, or because the candidate
    >is well known, or they don't like the other choices. If
    >someone gets elected and pursues a political course that is
    >not representative of the majority and not protective of the
    >minority, then it is perfectly acceptable to initiate a
    >recall- democracy in action.

So Clinton's election is meaningless? Glad you agree.

    >Also this sounds like a hip-hop pop story that the SJMN wants
    >to do, so they can sell papers. We are afterall a tabloid
    >news society.

Clever way to deal with something you don't like.


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