From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: Bob's bashing of Penn State      
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:33:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.172639.13425@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.225549.14128@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
>
>John, you're taking two different tacts here.  Drunkenness is a problem,
>some of your post seems to recognize this; the rest denies it. Statements
>like "hardly hurting anyone at the time" and "never was a loud drunk"
>shows no understanding of alcholism.  The guy was removed from the team 
>and placed in rehab when?  After he was arrested a few times?

A few times?  I lived in State College at the time and he was brought in
once by the University police when they found him sitting on a curb at
3 am.  He was never charged.  It was such a shock since he just won the starting
QB job and just came off a great outing against Temple.  Even his team-mates
were in disbelief (or did Joe stage that too).

If you think Paterno is wrong for placing a kid with a drinking problem
in rehab, preventing contact with the media during press conferences 
until he has his life together, rallying peer support for him then
so be it. 

>I'll look for the article I read.  It said they were allowed to continue
>practicing with the team along with other players who had "disciplinary
>decisions pending" or similar phraseology.

If a player has not been legaly charged by any court, is not out on bail,
did not violate university/team rules... then why should he be suspended?
A reporter sees a football player in a police car doesn't constitute
a violatation. Paterno has suspended starters thru scrubs in the past
but doesn't because of the ever biased east coast media.

>Not "always" just in the last few years when they screwed Rutgers,
>Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, and, probably, Temple.  (This goes back to
>PSU's scheduling demands and kiss-off to the east in joining the Big10.)
>

Hey, Big East teams have always obligated their B-Ball schedules to themselves,
why must PSU obligate it's football schedule.  Penn State makes a proposal
to a potential opponent and they can choose to take it or leave it.

It must benefit the Rutgers or Temple because they made no move to 
terminate contracts (despite what the Big East Coaches wolfing on how
they will never yield to PSU).   Pitt's back in 1996 (Penn STate and 
Notre Dame are the only home games they've sold out in the last 3+ yrs).
I just heard the game @WVU is sold out. 

What did Syracuse lose other than 17 of the last 19 games (incl the last 2)
with Penn State?

>There were lots of articles on the Pell Grant Fraud, I didn't respond
>because I had nothing to add; but when PSU has an arrest there's no
>mention until an article comes out (from a PSU address) that something
>naughty happened but it can't be posted, but send me e-mail and I'll
>fill you in.  What's up with that?  Also, look at the Subject line
><more bad news>.  If everything was under control, why is there
>"more" bad news.

First bad news was Kerry Collins breaking his finger, now this. 
That's what that poster choose to say, slam him - not the school.  

Let's see,
I heard about the Tom Bill drinking problem on ESPN
I heard about Sayles and Engram on CNN college Football gameday.
going back a ways I remember the press reporting on Pete Harris' suspensions
along with suspentions to Frank Case, Booker Moore,...

Seeing that you don't follow Penn State but know about such things, 
I guess you get your news from the media after all :)
 

  
John L