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From: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Richards)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Jaws Macros
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:42:33 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24187

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message 08-11-92 (13:02) From: WALTER SIREN To: STEVE RICHARDS
WS>You are right about that.  I wish there was a way to merge a new macro file
WS>with an old one.  I have mentioned this to Ted before, because when they com
WS>out with a new macro file, I usually have some of my own macros in the old
WS>one, and I have to put them one by one, and this is a drag.

A friend of mine, who was a Beta tester for Ted and I also passed along
that suggestion.  We were thinking it would be nice to be able to
combine the macros from two config files when a new application required
some from each of them instead of needing to create a whole new macro
config from scratch.  We encountered a situation where we wanted to do
just that, and couldn't.  Of course what we ended up doing was adding to
one of the existing macro files the hard way.

WS>I do miss that way to create a macro on the fly like you could do with jaws
WS>one.

I was surprised that Jaws 2 couldn't do it since Jaws 1 could.  I'm
actually a Flipper user most of the time, but I like trying out the
other screen readers.  I positively love playing around with Jaws,
because all those macros let me indulge the "little boy tinkerer" inside
me.  But, in all honesty, if I ever abandon Flipper I imagine I'll
choose Vocal-Eyes, since Doug Geoffray's program is smaller and faster
than Jaws, yet as powerful as any screen reader around--except that it
doesn't use macros, of course.  Vocal-Eyes appears to be extremely
well-written and efficient, and as a programmer--though not in Doug's
class--I admire that.
Steve R.

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From: mattioli@took.enet.dec.com (John Mattioli)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: "Blind Loyalty"
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: mattioli@took.enet.dec.com (John Mattioli)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23976

In article <23845@handicap.news>, Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(Mike Freeman) writes...
>
>It should be noted that Mrs. Jernigan worked at the National
>Center long before she married Dr. Jernigan.  Thus, the habits she
>acquired would tend to carry over.
>

I agree to a point.  Some habbits are hard to break and some are
less difficult.  I called my new dog by the name of my old dog for
quite some time just because they both filled the role of dog.  I
might add that every time I realized I was calling Harris Vessy it
brought a certain amount of pain, not a great deal, but certainly
enough to motivate me to stop doing it!  The Blind Loyalty article
doesn't point out that Jernigan's wife worked at the center before
she married him and, if the rule is that everyone uses Mr. Mrs. Dr.
etc, than the rules would naturally apply to her as well.  The
article also fails to mention that the rules at the center are that
people are called by title and sirname.  Despite the fact that I am
a rather informal type of guy, I can appreciate the value of doing
things this way.  In fact, this is the way Seeing Eye does things
and I'm one of the people who enjoys this to a poing.

I must congratulate you on your last message.  I believe you're the
first person to do more than state that the article is slanted or
that it lies.  I believe you're the first person to point out a
specific place where it does so.  I'll give you the credit even
though you didn't actually do it yourself but rather left me to do
it after you raised some points.

>
>P.S.  John, I realize this may be anathema to you; we programmers are,
>by and large, an informal bunch.  But believe me, in context, the rule
>makes some sense.  In any case, compared to worrying about decreasing
>the unemployment rate of the blind or fighting for minimum wages for
>sheltered shop workers or fighting to get blind day-care workers
>accepted, a matter like what one is to be called on the job pales into
>insignificance.
>

I totally agree so long as everyone at the center doesn't call each
other Joe, Jim, Bob, Sally, Jill, Jane or Dr. Jernigan.  It would
seem, from your note, that the Title Sirname rule applies to all
and I have no problem with that.  I agree that compared to the
issues you raise this is pretty unimportant, but I must wonder how
unimportant it is when compared with the airline issues (seeing as
how I've never had trouble flying and I do it with some regularity :-).

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From: Charles.Cafarelli@f104.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Charles Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: On Signing....
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: Charles.Cafarelli@f104.n2240.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/104 - FoxFire, Flint MI
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24295

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

AS> Caren, it is not so much that I believe this - it is absolutely true that
AS> many deaf people who only use ASL do NOT comprehend the English language
AS> and thus write in ASL.  I've seen it happen and I see it still happening
AS> today.  I have chatted with many of them on the TT as well as on the
AS> CPU and they type like they are conversing in ASL.

I fully understand what your saying.  Took ASL-1 and English 101 as a first
year college student, quite an experince to say the least.  Most of the
deaf students have one heck of a time getting through the English classes,
and after taking ASL I can understand why.  I was lucky I didn't start
losing my hearing until after High school, still going back to school at 52
even using a Phonic-Ear, English is not one of the easier subjects.  The
deaf do need a lot more help in their younger years.

Chuck

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From: timpson@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ron Timpson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Wheelchair Van Lift
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:56:55 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ron Timpson)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

Index Number: 23986

I just realized that I had no disclaimer on this article,  I said I
was new at this.  I want to make it clear that my opinion of
Mobility Unlimited relates only to my recent experience with them
as a private consumer.  Lockheed is not agreeing, endorsing or
aware of my opinion.

                                                            Ron

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or endorsment by my employer, Lockheed Corporation.
From: Sheila.Fava@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Team usa
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:03:42 GMT
Reply-To: Sheila.Fava@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL
X-Fidonet: Abled Athlete Conference

Index Number: 24107

[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

WHOO!  Ernie, it is messages like yours that make m'day...that give
-me- chills!  Team USA is certainly a reality for you and to
consciously -plan- for the 1996 Atlanta Paralympics is a very good
idea.  That's what I did in nineteen eighty two:  Planned ahead for
the ninteen eighty-four Paralympics held in New York.  That was the
first year there were wheelchair athletes in the Los Angeles
Olympics.

EH -> something else to focus on

You say you have played vollyball and been in track and field.
-Good- start!  True, self-motovation and self-coaching are the pits
(I'm a self-coached swimmer.  There are no Adaptive/NON-Adaptive
Swim Coaches in Nevada.  Wretches!) but it -can- be done.  You
might also have connections with someone at the local Middle or
High School who would be able to coach you in the finer points of
holding a javelin, throwing a discus, road-racing and sprint-racing
correctly....playing wheelchair basketball, vollyball, soccer,
table and lawn tennis, bowling -safely-. Or Archery or Air
Guns...again:  Safely.  Sailing?  Perhaps that will be included at
the 1996 Paralympics.  What are -your- interests?

If you are familiar with Birmingham (Are you?), the Director and
Founder of ADAnet, a computer network, lives in Birmingham.  Bill
Freeman is an exceptional person and you would have a very valuable
contact through him.  He's not into sports but he's knowledgeable
in other fields.  He just now is awaiting the results of his Bar
Exam.

Do you belong to any sports' organizations?  In order to assess the
competitions I want to compete at, I have joined several national
sports organizations/international sports organizations for the
disABLED.  You would have to at least join the NWAA (National
Wheelchair Athletic Association).  Are you able to travel
independantly to, say, a town offering specific
coaching/competition of your choice?

Are there any organized Adaptive Team Sports in your area?  Are
there enough wheelchair rowdies you could round up for an impromptu
game of basketball?  Would the local Police Athletic League (PAL)
or some representative of The Athletic Conference (TAC) help you
with the athletics of your choice?  All these questions I must ask
because I do not live in New Jersey...I live in Nevada (Again:
Wretches!).

Here is some fodder for you.  Let me know how you fare in the
surgery department.  If you must go to Birmingham, you will know a
person there who is a phone-call away.  If there is anything I can
do, do not hesitate to ask.  Write back.....

                    ---Sheila

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From: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: "Blind Loyalty"
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24194

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Mike!  Yes, there was a vote not to consider my case at the 1991 NFB
convention.  However, to say that the "convention" made this vote and
that it was an informed or fair vote is plainly false from a cursory
look at the facts:

1.  A resolution duly sponsored by a member calling for my
reinstatement was "ruled out of order" by the resolutions committee.
The resolution was not publicly read, as proper consideration requires
and is the general practice.  Jernigan spoke for about ten minutes
telling the committee  and the audience why it should not be
considered.  No one was permitted to speak as to why it should be
considered, not even the member who introduced the resolution.
Incredibly, the organization claims that resolutions are never "bottled
up" by the resolutions committee, but must be permitted to come to the
floor if the sponsor desires.  This was indeed his desire.

2.  The vote not to consider my case taken during the "roll call of
states" was a vote by state affiliate presidents, who did not
nececessarily represent the views of their delegates there or members
back home.  There is no requirement that they poll their delegations
before voting and I know that many did not.  Several members of the
national board that voted to expel me are themselves state presidents,
so a vote by state presidents whether my case should be considered was
hardly an independent vote of members.  The spirit if not letter of the
NFB constitution is that the convention is a meeting of the blind from
around the country, not a national board meeting or leadership seminar.
 This process clearly removed the decision-making power from what was
to be their forum for considering an appeal of a national board
decision.

3.  The roll call vote was phrased as follows:  "Do you trust the
board? Hardly objective way of stating the question.  It reflects abuse of power
by the chair of the convention to imply great disloyalty and risk of
reprisal should a state president vote to consider my case.

4.  The NFB constitution specifically disallows parlimentary manuvers
that block either the right of the minority to be heard or the right of
the majority to take action.  Steve Zielinski, the chief ponsor of
the resolution ruled out of order, requested to speak on this matter
and read this section of the constitution.  President Maurer, chairing
at the time, would not allow him to speak at a mike.  He tried again
the next day and was refused.

I probably could say more about the mockery of democracy that occurred
at that convention, but I will leave it that for now.
Jamal

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From: Al.Smith@f233.n351.z1.fidonet.org (Al Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: tens units & supplies
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:29:19 GMT
Reply-To: Al.Smith@f233.n351.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:351/233 - Square Hole BBS, Nanaimo BC

Index Number: 24150

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Hi Ruthie, I've been using a tens unit for over ten years now and I
find that the STAODYN strips are the best things yet. I just use
one strip that fits across the lower back about 18hrs a day and
have found great comfort and relief from discomfort. It lasts for
about 3 weeks to a month. I guess what I like about it most is the
fact you don't have to use gel or tape onthese ones, like you had
to on the old ones.Hope this it is of some help.Catch you later. Al
Smith  Nanaimo, B.C.

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From: janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: new tax on blind audiophiles and computer users
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:00:39 GMT
Reply-To: janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23996

I'm very disappointed to see this important issue of discrimination
against blind people drowned in racism, sexism, and xenophobia.
The issues are important andneed to be addressed.  Your
Congresspeople -- men and women both -- need to hear from you on
this.  That fact that some of the businesses backing this
legislation are Japaneese is irrelevant to the real issues of
discrimination against blind people.  We don't need more technology
we can't use -- even if we're willing to pay an unfair and unjust
tax to Sony or to Michael Jackson.  Let's focus on the real issues,
which happen to be the ones that Congress needs to hear.

							Janina
From: Val.Dunn@f337.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Val Dunn)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Phantom
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:11:49 GMT
Reply-To: Val.Dunn@f337.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/337 - Yak Attack BBS, La Mesa CA
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference

Index Number: 24232

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

Hi Shari,
I live in San Diego.  We are in Yuma just about every weekend from Nov -
Mar.  Snowbirds, from Idaho, for In-Laws.

I can never remember the name of the type of leg I have but if you
printed it out like I wrote it the Leg Mechanic can figure it out.  The
biggest secret to a good leg is a Leg Man that will listen to the
amputee.  Tell your friend to learn to laugh about it.  I have found it
makes ABP's (Able Bodied Persons) more comfortable and takes the edge
off when some idiot does something stupid.  I was surprised to find out
how many amps have thier cars altered.  I never did I just drive with
the left leg crossed over to the right pedal.
I forgot your friends name but tell him I say:
- You can now wear your socks twice - the rubber one doesn't know it's
  dirty
- You only have to worry about stubbing 5 of your toes.
- At a party and out of glasses?  Put bubble gum in th hole at the
bottom of the leg and it will hold at least a quart.

giggle 8*}
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From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Attagirl!!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:18:26 GMT
Reply-To: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24126

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 AS> I have taken sign language (found it a bit difficult using
 AS> ASL because I think in English since it is my first language
 AS> and thus want to use SEE - instructor didn't much like that!
 AS>  :-)) and have had any folks tell me they are taking sign
 AS> language because it fascinates them, not because they want
 AS> to communicate with those who use it.

Ret and I have taken two (college level) sign language classes,
Annie. And while I can assure you we were NOT there because of
the "Mystery" of it, there were several with that motivation.

In some ways Ret had an easier time of it than I did, since
English is her second language.  Or maybe she is just brighter
than I am.  (After all, she DID marry me :-)

But I digress.  The point of this message is the contrast between
the two instructors.  One was something of an ASL snob if you get
what I mean, very intolerant of any lapses into English syntax.

The other, while quite proficient in ASL, was committed to TC.
The objective in her class was to communicate, to get the message
thru via sign language - not necessarily classic ASL.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Interestingly, we both learned a great deal more about ASL from
the TC professor than we did from the ASL snob.

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From: George.Carrasco@f801.n387.z1.fidonet.org (George Carrasco)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Possible Assistance
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:12:17 GMT
Reply-To: George.Carrasco@f801.n387.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:387/801 - ETC Mednet, San Antonio TX
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference

Index Number: 24234

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

 RT> Rob Thurlow, moderator, AMPUTEE echo

Rob,

I don't know if you can point me in the right direction not.

I'm an Army Physical Therapy Specialist assigned to Fort Sam Houston
(San Antonio) Texas.  I'm in the training side of the Army Medical
Department Center and School (formerly the Academy of Health Sciences,
U.S. Army).

There is discussion on revising one publication that, due to a
typographical error, had a bad circulation in the military medical
community. TM 8-19 (Training Manual), Physical Therapy for Lower
Extremity Amputees -- was done up in 1970s and was mis-identified as
TM 8-16 in the references of the Physical Therapy Specialist Soldier's
Manual.  Many still do not know this publication exists!

References (graphics, photos) for stump wrapping, positioning, exercises
will have to be dug up and to be ahead of the game was wondering if you
might point the way to some good solid references in this area.

This is my first time monitoring this echo through "ETC Mednet" in San
Antonio.  Any suggestions?

Thanks!

... If you smoke after sex, you are doing it too fast!

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From: dlc@ais.org (David Claytor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Airline Wheelchair Practices
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:25:33 GMT
Reply-To: dlc@ais.org (David Claytor)
Organization: UMCC
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24260

In article <24240@handicap.news> Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
writes:
>Index Number: 24240
>
> DC> Any advice/warning/recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
> DC> The flight is on United: Detroit<-->Denver.  My experience with
> DC> United and my old E&J was terrific and worry-free, but I'm worried
> DC> about my Quickie.
>
>One sure way of ensuring that your chair travels in the cabin with
>you, is to arrive, panting and apologic, for boarding 10 minutes
>before departure. Using this technique, I have even on two
>occassions gotten first class seats with a coach ticket.

Actually, Joe, the same thing happened to me three times due to late
connecting flights.  United bumped me to first class Detroit ==> Chicago
and Seattle <==> Fairbanks (both ways!)  Apparently the ticket agent at
the gate has the prerogative, depending on the time and available crew.
As you say, a friendly smile and cooperative attitude makes all the
difference -- and I've always sent a note of appreciation to United
headquarters, noting flights and names.  What goes around comes around
and, who knows, it might help the next disabled flyer.

BTW, my chair went to the pit, in any case, but it traveled beautifully.

--Dave
From: Thomas.Chang@f101.n207.z1.fidonet.org (Thomas Chang)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Quadraplegic books
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:13:34 GMT
Reply-To: Thomas.Chang@f101.n207.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:207/101 - Diamond Bar BBS, Ontario CA
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24239

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

     Does anyone know a good book on the subject of Quadraplegic?  Thanks.

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From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: On Signing....
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:18:39 GMT
Reply-To: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24127

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Jim,

I encourage your efforts to learn signing.  It would be great
if more hearing ppeople would make the effort.

 JB> learning sign for almost a year now.  I am continuously
 JB> frustrated because my  sign vocabulary does not match my
 JB> English vocabulary.

Don't let that frustrate you - or you'll be forever frustrated.
Your sign vocabulary will NEVER match your English.  There are
just not that many signs.  The main thing is to COMMUNICATE.

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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Let's Notify Wallace
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24190

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting Walter Siren to Keith Bucher 13 Aug 92 11:03:44

 WS> Keith, I wonder if it will sound better than it does now.  I wonder if
 WS> he will get rid of that foreign accent, and begin to sound american.

Hi Walter, no way of knowing.  They say it'll sound like dectalk, but
who knows.  Mike tells me that they will have a special phone number
one can call to hear the voice, something like Humanware has, I
assume.  I already wrote to Wallace with my suggestions and will let
you know when I learn more.  Keith.

... MONEY TALKS but all mine ever says is GOODBYE!

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