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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: racism on campus and off: the police.
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:23:59 GMT

In article <B7S==1=@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>In article <1gj6o2INN1du@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> carole e mah,
>ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>> [ debate about arming campus police deleted ]

> [ Michael Kamprath's argument advocating less government involvement in
>   the daily lives of people deleted ]

>Everyone should appose "Campus Cops."
>Universities exist for education, not policing.  I'm not saying students don't
>need protection, but can't the city force supply it, or least have the city
>come when guns are needed (and they may be, but definately not on a regular
>basis which would justify arming campus cops).  

     Having seen how wonderful (NOT) Pittsburgh cops are, my order of
preference would be:

	1) no armed police;
	2) armed campus police;
	3) unarmed city police;
	4) armed city police,

such that the minimum level of armament necessary to "control crime" is present
on campus.  In other words, I'd much rather trust a campus security guard with
a gun than a regular beat cop.  The beat cop may have more training, but I've
seen them do some pretty ugly/illegal things.

     Yes, I don't see how this issue is directly relevant to scaa.

							George


-- 
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Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:57:02 GMT


>I put it to you that if a heterosexual has homoerotic thoughts and _enjoys_
>them, then they could easily become a homosexual.  Similarly, a homosexual
>who begins to enjoy heterosexual thoughts could also change.  
>I've seen both processes occur among friends and aquaintences.


I have never heard of any documented cases where these "processes" take
place.  If it is so easy, why then don't all homosexuals become straight?
Do you think it is *fun* to be scorned and hated and get beat up and killed
just for being gay?  I put it to you that if it is so easy, please show me
(and the rest of the newsgroup)  how to do it.  Demonstrate, please.

What I think you may have seen is closeted or represssed gay people finally 
coming to terms with themselves and coming out of the closet.  As for the
gay people whom you have seen become straight, have they *really* become
straight?  Maybe they were closet-straights  :-)



-- 
Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:40:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.063145.2250@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:

>As regards the appointment of Asian-Americans to important posts in
>the new administration, 'twould be wonderful, but I think Bill is
>going about it the wrong way when he says he wants a cabinet that
>looks like America.

If that's what he wants then he must not realize that:

Most Americans are not lawyers.
Most Americans are not academic mandarins.
Most Americans are not socialists.
Most Americans are not in favor of higher taxes.
Most Americans are not in favor of more government intrusion in their lives.

One thing I notice about his cabinet appointments (and VP choice) is that
Clinton is surrounding himself with people who have never really anything
in the real world (ie. outside government/academia).

Race and sex are not the most important attributes of individuals, in fact they
are unimportant regarding political issues.

--Brian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: T.K.Hara@newcastle.ac.uk (T.K. Hara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


CAN SOMEBODY SAY HOW AMERICAN, THE ASIAN-AMERICANS ARE ? WHEN DID THEY EMIGRATE 
TO AMERICA? TO WHAT EXTENT HAVE THEY INTERACTED WITH OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS IN 
AMERICA, FOR EXAMPLE IN MARRIAGE ETC.
THE DEFINITION OF ASIAN-AMERICAN IS 'RATHER GENERAL' IN A WAY AS WELL (IF YOU 
COMPARE TO WHO IS CALLED AFRICAN-AMERICAN).  
IT WOULD ALSO BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INDIGINOUS 
'ASIA-AMERICANS' IN AMERICA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: (defensio libertatis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:09:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

In article C5E@cs.uiuc.edu, watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
> philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Hite) writes:
> 
> >addressed.  So somebody please tell us, why is it that Asians have a problem
> >specifically with their women dating Blacks?  
=====================================================================
> 
> Probably there is also less "status" attached to 
> dating a black than a white,
> 
> Just as there is less "status" attached to dating
> an asian than a white.
> 
> To take this a step further, there seems to be more
> status to dating an asian female than to dating an asian male.
> 
> Not surprising if we look at television and see the number
> of successful female asian newscasters, actresses, models,
> etc. compared to asian newscasters, actors, models, etc.
> 
> If we assume that BOTH asian females
> and asian males attach higher status to white males
> and white females, then the differential dating rate
> could be accounted for by the different status of
> AF and AM among the highest status group, CM and CF.
> 
> -Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu


Good points. At least someone is not living in denial
or being evasive about the role which race plays in
interracial dating.

I usually hear:

1. Asian male: "Why are you sisters dating oppressive white men? This is a disgrace
                to our race."

2. Asian female:"Race has NOTHING to do with it. Besides my white guy 
                 is not a jerk like you and I'm not your sister!"

3. White guy: "Young man...you got a problem with what the lady's gotta say?" 

4. Dwight Joe: "Only a chinese-cu would..."

(Repeat the above four themes over and over and you got the s.c.a.a. dating 
 thread down pat.)

Notice how no facts are frankly discussed. Oppression and denial...oppression and...
  
-M. Aurelius Insularum

=========================================================
"Your company's advertisement could be here. Call NOW."


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:38:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.143957.24081@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu
Ayala) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.081551.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>Please note that the Japanese-Americans should _ask_, not _demand_, that
>>President-elect Clinton _consider_ selecting a Japanese-American [for
>> National Science Advisor] 
>> The extreme over-representation of Oriental-Americans in the sciences and
>>engineering justifies the appropriateness of this request. 
>  Exactly.  Again certain people are failing to separate -ge from -cu!
>  Asian-Americans PhDs in the Sciences are as underrepresented as
>  NATIVE AMERICANS.  I was shocked and surprised at the result of
>  a survey form I filled out when I graduated from Cornell with
>  a PhD in Mathematics.  Do I need to underline Asian-AMERICAN???

So far, only Chinese-cu Chinese-ge have thought that I was referring only to
the graduate school population; I was not.  This is probably a natural mistake
for them since many of them or their parents used the grad. school route to
enter the USA; they are part of the Chinese-ge immigration that comes
exclusively from the Chinese-cu upper class.

Anyhow, I am referring to the entire pool of engineering and scientific talent,
including people with only Bachelor of Science's.  I specifically refer
only to Oriental-Americans, i.e. those who already have American citizenship
(by birth or naturalization).  Note that the entire sub-pool of people
with BS's is much larger than the pool of MS's and PhD's combined.

Again, I think that President-elect Clinton should consider the nomination
of a Japanese-American to the position of National Science Advisor.  Many
Americans (including Oriental-Americans) would be pleased.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wltsai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wei-Lun Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male, nerd, geek, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:05:26 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec11.214734.8830@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
> .........  I haven't a clue.

Oh my god!!!!  Dwight Joe finally admitted that he hasn't got a clue as
to what he is saying!!!!  Hallelujah! (spelling?)  ;-)  8-b  8-)  8-O
God bless A.M.E.R.I.C.A.-cu, God bless Western (and Japanese) civili-
zation!  (flags waving, trumpets thundering...)  8-)  8-)

Is this a sign that we will witness an amazing transformation (for good)
in a hopelessly bigoted and twisted human-being?  Bets on!  8-)  8-)

(For those who took Japanese 101 in college:)
Watashi wa CLUE ga arimasen!

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>Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.           spare a coin?        |    | -+-
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>Copyright 1992.  Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3                           |
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   It's going to be you--and you."
-> How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're
   on.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon)
Subject: Re: La democratie en Amerique.
Reply-To: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:29:53 GMT


In article <PASCAL.92Dec16112208@ap16.apd.cpg.sony.co.jp> pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes:
>	Peut-etre aussi qu'il (Ronald Reagan) n'etait pas bien a sa place.
>Un acteur devenant president des US, ca fait drole. Vous imaginez Belmondo
>au pouvoir, chez nous?

Le plus drole a ete de voir des banderoles "Ron for 2000" a la convention republicaine 
a Houston.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: pvandoor@newssun.med.miami.edu (Pascal Vandooren)
Subject: Un hierarchie de news pour la communaute ...
Organization: University Of Miami, Medical School
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:36:47 GMT


Il me semble que dans ce groupe (qque soit son nom) on devrait
peut-etre garder un semblant de l'image des autres groupes.
Ceci car pour ceux qui connaissent deja la forme du NET et de
ses newsgroups, il y aurait de la consistence et pour les nouveaux
cela permettrait d'aller a un groupe similaire ailleurs sans avoir
a chercher le nom equivalent.

Ex: Si qqun connait deja comp.lang.c, mais ne poste pas vu le niveau
de son anglais, pourquoi changer comp.lang.c dans fr.* ??
Ex: Si qqun va dans prog.sci-fi.movies, pourquoi ne pas garder le
meme nom excepte pour "movies" qui pourrait peut-etre s'appeler "films" ??

De plus, pour les americains/anglais/etc.. qui ne manient pas tres bien
la langue francaise, cela serait plus facile de suivre la logique du
newsgroup. Si on le rend difficile peut-etre que les etrangers ne voudront
pas participer, et on ratera peut-etre des points de vue exterieurs 
interessants ???

Pascal

*** essayant d'amener une  contirbution utile a ce debat agite ***
From: asbaibi@jade.tufts.edu (Ahmed Sbaibi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: What's the origin of the surname BEAUDOIN?
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:05:20 GMT
	<1992Dec16.204709.16154@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
	<BzEw2s.Kqp@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca avait ecrit:

>Il y a des gens qui n'ont aucun sens de l'histoire. Je pense qu'Ahmed
>pouvait etre serieux dans sa demande.

Voyons Denis, tu ne crois tout de meme au pere Noel . Ah oui c'est la
saison. Joyeux Noel. 

Quand a la demande sur les origines du mot Bedouin. Il y'a pas a se creser
la caboche pour se rendre compte que je n'etais pas serieux ! Un peu
d'humour Messieurs, Dames. D'ailleur meme si on s'appelle pas Ahmed,
n'importe qui, qui a vecu en France connait le mot et meme dans un sens
plus negatif. 

Maintenant; l'origine du mot Bedouin vient de l'arabe (ma langue
maternelle) habitant du BADIA qui est l'equivalent de la compagne en
contrast de la cite. Les citadins sont appeles HADAR ( d'ou le nom de la 
civilisation - AL HADARAT- est derive). Ceci indique aussi et contrairement
a ce que pense la  majorite des gens que, comme partout, il y'avait aussi
des arabes qui vivaient en ville. Je crois que ceci repond largement a la
question. 

Pour repondre a la question concernant le sens de l'histoire. Je peux te
donner raison pour ca. Car l'histoire n'est pas une ligne droite (surement
une geodesique dont je ne connait pas le tenseur potentiel ) et il ne
suffit pas de deux points pour la tracer. D'autant plus chacun a son
histoire et sa destinee qui est a mon sens n'est pas unique. C'est un
problem aux conditions aux limites. A moins qu'on est fataliste chose que
je ne suis point.

Ahmed.

P.S. ( rien a voir avec les contamineurs du sang): Une petite flamme de
temps a autre ne fait pas de mal. ET DIEU CREA LA FLAMME !
From: ak005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yona Webb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: MNE:  E-Mail International  (pas trop cher)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:07:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Il y a 2-3 mois qu'on a pose la question:  "Comment peut-on envoyer de
l' E-Mail (pas trop cher) a la famille et aux amis qui n'ont pas
d'acces a l'Internet?"
 
Aux USA c'est assez facile d'obtenir un compte gratuit sur un BBS local
qui passe le courrier Internet.  Ce n'est pas le cas en Europe.
Alors je cherche toujours.  D'abord j'ai trouve le FIDONET, mais le
courrier voyage 10 jours et parfois l'E-Mail est perdu quelque part!
 
Enfin j'ai trouve le  *MNE*  (Mnematics Videotex).  Ca marche tres bien.
Le MNE est un systeme assez nouveau, et pas cher.  NOTEZ: ce n'est pas
de publicite!  J'ai ete comme tout le monde tres enervee de ne pas
pourvoir envoyer de l'E-mail a ma famille en Europe sans que le Mail
coute les yeux de la tete.
 
Les convenients du MNE:
1. E-Mail (validation immediate), Real-Time-Chat, SIG-Open-Discussions, etc.
2. Pas trop cher ($55.00 par an, acces sans limite si MNE a un No de tel dans
   la ville ou vous habitez & un No de tel dans la ville de vos correspondents.
 
Les inconvenients du MNE:
1. MNE n'a pas de No de tel dans tous les pays.
2. MNE a un No de tel seulement dans 1 ou 2 villes dans chaque pays.
   Pour le reste du pays -- on est oblige d'appeler LONG DISTANCE! Grrr! :-(
 
Y a-t-il quelqu'un qui a trouve qu.ch de meilleur que le MNE?
Merci d'avance  -- Yona
-- 
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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,news.answers
Subject: FAQ: soc.culture.french - Changes since last posting [monthly]
Supersedes: <scf-faq-changes.12@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:19:08 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
Expires: 28 Jan 1993 16:19:06 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
Summary: This article summarizes the changes that have been
  made to the soc.culture.french FAQ since its last posting.

Archive-name: culture-french-faq/changes

Following changes have been made to the soc.culture.french FAQ
since its last posting.

Part 1. Q2.   Extended informations about radio/tv broadcasts.

Part 1. Q10.  Corrected (I hope) the history of the Belgian flag.

Part 2. Q22.  Changed the list of "French BBSes".

-- No other changes have been made to the documents.


-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
  "Pour le bien-etre de tous, il est interdit de pisser dans le metro."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Request for help.....re Minitel in USA
From: rogerp@qed.cts.com (Dr Roger Parks)
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:04:50 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

Greetings, net.friends...
 
I've been requested to ask for help in tracking down the rumour that
there is a American firm that, in co-operation with France Telecom, is
going to 'import' Minitel to California, if not the USA.
 
True?  False?

If so...could a name of the firm be provided?  Please respond via email 
to me here (or as rogerp@mcws.fidonet.org) or to smburke@mcws.fidonet.org

Your time is appreciated.
 
Cheers,

Roger

------------------------------
rogerp@qed.cts.com (Dr Roger Parks)  or  qed!rogerp
The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: laurent@archi.imag.fr (Jacques LAURENT)
Subject: Re: Ah oui, ce cher bac !!!
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:45:54 GMT

jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) writes:

>(Pascal Vandooren) writes:

>... 
>ecrivent: 
>"  ... l'excellente et super avancee formation ..."

>Evidemment, si le Francais n'est pas la langue maternelle de Monsieur
>Vandooren, il est mechant d'utiliser ses fautes de grammaire, meme

Certainement plus idiot que mechant.

-- 
Cordialement,
---
Jacques.Laurent@imag.fr     (laurent@imag.fr)
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From: root@catnix.UUCP (Wonder user)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french,can.francais,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Joyeux... tout ce que vous voulez
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:02:06 GMT



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Voici revenu ce temps, pour certains beni, pour d'autres 
maudit, pour d'autres, encore, rien du tout, de nous
souhaiter un joyeux Noel et une bonne et heureuse annee.

Comme chacun souhaite des choses differentes pour l'annee
qui s'acheve et celle qui va bientot commencer, je vous
laisse donc le soin de choisir les mots que vous voudriez
trouver sur une carte de voeux. Au moins aurez-vous la
certitude de n'y point trouver ces platitudes mille fois
redites.

Pour ma part, je vais continuer de jongler avec des mots
qui, souvent, me donneront des maux de tete et bien du
fil a retordre, mais, surtout, un plaisir sans cesse
renouvele. 

Et c'est ce que je peux souhaiter de mieux a tous : 

	Un plaisir de vivre sans cesse renouvele, 
	malgre les pieges et les difficultes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
From: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon)
Subject: Re: about Somalie
Reply-To: simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:15:33 GMT

In article 1glcacINNfoh@bigboote.WPI.EDU, acboye@wpi.WPI.EDU (Anne Boye) writes:
>	Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'expliquer quel est le probleme de la Somalie?
>	D'un seul coup, ce probleme envahit les ecrans americains (US), mais comme 
>je ne suis pas regulierement les infos, je suis un petit peu perdu. En effet, d'une part, 
>est-ce bien une intervention de l'ONU ou des US? J'ai entrapercu
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
En fait, le probleme, il est bien la, car depuis la guerre du golfe, USA=ONU. Je ne savais
meme pas jusqu'a hier, qu'il y avait des troupes etrangeres , je veux dire etrangeres aux 
US, par contre, on a assiste a un grand show a l'americaine, quand CNN et les autres medias
ont diffuse le "debarquement", du grand art!!
Mais c'est vrai que personne n'a explique , pourquoi seulement maintenant, quelque chose est
fait pour la Somalie, mais j'ai peut-etre loupe l'explication. Peut etre le "baroud d'honneur"
de G. Bush.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: patin
From: hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:37:58 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Salut,

je suis a la recherche d'une piste de patin a glace synthetique. Ne connaissant
pas encore les subtilites du systeme, je lance le message un peu au hazard. Je
correspond a partir d'un ordinateur a Wichita State. Je ne pourais pas recevoir
de message avant le 4 Janvier car ces imbeciles ferment le departement
"computer" a partir de ce soir. 

voici mon adresse : P.O Box 21073
                    Wichita, KS 67208

J'aurai juste besoin d'une documentation ou le nom du fabricant.

Bizarre, bizarre, mais ici il n'est pas possible d'avoir de renseignements.

Merci par avance.
A bientot.

Francoise

Newsgroups: soc.culture.french