From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: SAGE
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:01:13 GMT

[SAGE is a new professional society for Sys Admins. Here is information from
their mailing list server - Carl]

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:44:19 PDT
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:52:34 PDT
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>>>> info sage
#### No info available for sage.
>>>> info sage-certify

Welcome to the SAGE certification working group.

The purpose of the certification working group is to develop a model for
the certification of system administrators.  The model will address the
issues surrounding certification and discuss the various approaches that
might be taken.  The working group will present the model along with their
recommendations to the board of directors.

Paul M. Moriarty (pmm@cisco.com)
>>>> info sage-conf
Welcome to the Sage-Conferences discussion list.  This mailing list is
for the SAGE members (or potential members) who are interested in
conferences and workshops to be run by or in association with SAGE.
>>>> info sage-edu

The Education working group's initial goal is to outline SAGE's 
plan for institutional and continuing education of the community 
through the development of model curricula, the identification 
and promotion of useful tutorial programs, and the construction 
of guides for self-study.

If you're a new subscriber to the list, please send a message to
the list introducing yourself, and welcome.


>>>> info sage-ethics
This group is charged with determining SAGE's role in developing a set of
guidelines or codes of ethics for the system administrator.  We see these
guidelines or codes as having at least two purposes, namely, guiding one's
self in the performance of system administration tasks, and informing
one's employer and co-workers of the proper bounds of system
administration.

Chair: Ed Gould <ed@pa.dec.com>
>>>> info sage-jobs

Welcome to the SAGE Job Descriptions Working group!

The job description group will evaluate SAGE's role in assisting system
administrators with defining job descriptions.  If it is determined that
this is an area that SAGE should pursue, the focus of the group will be to
create multiple system administration job description suites that can be
used as templates for those who are writing position descriptions for
hiring purposes at their own site.


>>>> info sage-locals

Welcome to sage-locals.

Users can be friend of the system administrator, but will never be able
to be a peer.  Therefore many system administrators are working without
contact to their peers.  SAGE local groups is intended to give system
administrators to meet on a regular basis.

The purpose sage-local small working group is to define relation ship
between local groups and SAGE.  As SAGE is a USENIX STG, this will include
relationship to USENIX.

The group will also have the task of explore how creation of new local
groups can be made easier, and how SAGE can support existing local groups,
like Bay-LISA and BackBayLisa.

Bjorn
-- 
Bjorn Satdeva --  email: bjorn@sysadmin.com
/sys/admin, inc.  The Unix System Management Experts  (408) 241 3111
Send requests to the SysAdmin mailing list to sysadm-list-request@sysadmin.com
>>>> info sage-online
The electronic information distribution working group will identify
existing information sources that would be of use to SAGE members, new
types of information that should be gathered/produced, and make
proposals for the effective distribution of this information.
Existing sources should include reprints of papers/articles and
mailing-list/USENET news archives.  New information sources might
include specially written technical/positional papers and custom
databases such as vendor neutral list of bugs.  Distribution methods
will include WAIS or other information servers, anonymous ftp/uucp,
and CDrom.

-- Mark Verber (verber@parc.xerox.com)
>>>> info sage-outreach

This mailing list is for discussions pertaining to the sage-outreach
working group. This group will make a proposal to the SAGE board on how SAGE
can address the needs of system administrators who deal with heterogeneous
environments, which include systems running many different OS's. Additional
items may include how SAGE can best contact these people, who may not be 
plugged into the traditional UNIX(tm) oriented communication channels.
>>>> info sage-policies
As the coordinator of the SAGE working group on policies, I'd like to
welcome you.

The focus of the policies working group is the creation of one or
several suggested documents for systems/network admins to use as
guidelines or boilerplate in setting up their site's policies and
procedures.

We will also work closely with the education and ethics working groups
to develop plans for educating systems administrators and their
managers about just what policy is, and is good for.

If you have questions, feel free to contact me directly at
nomad@watson.ibm.com or send them to the working group at
sage-policies@usenix.org.

nomad
>>>> info sage-pr
As a professional society, SAGE has the opportunity to speak out to many
factions of industry and/or government on issues that affect us and our
profession.  This committee will examine the issues, set guidelines to
SAGE's involvement in this area, and (if appropriate) determine a plan or
focus for the guild to evaluate and pursue (or not pursue).  This group
will also serve to direct any future public relations issues that may
arise.
>>>> info sage-pt

The Part Time working group is concerned that the proposed SAGE charter
did not mention the large number of people who do system administration
less than 100% of the time.  (e.g. There are chemists who fulfill
system administration roles some portion of each working day.  Yet,
view themselves as chemists, not system administrators.  Hence, part
time system administration.)  We will consider how SAGE could address
the needs of such individuals and propose changes to the proposed SAGE
charter which addresses this "dual-role" reality.

I am open to suggestions for extending this working group to work
on ways for SAGE to meet the needs of these individuals.

--Peg

        Peg Schafer
        Senior Systems Programmer
        Distributed Systems
        BBN, INC.
        10 Moulton Street
        Cambridge, MA 02138
        617-873-2626
        peg@bbn.com
>>>> info sage-pubs
 
The publications group is chartered to put together a series of proposals
related to the various publications that SAGE wants established.  In the
immediate future the pubs group will be asked to assist in the publication
of the first issues of newsletter segments within "login:".  Long term
goals include proposals concerning an independent newsletter, a technical
journal, software tool collections, and any other ideas the committee can
collect.
 
Let me know if you have any questions.
 
Bryan McDonld
bigmac@erg.sri.com

>>>> info sage-robbies

This mailing list is for discussions pertaining to the sage-robbies 
working group. This group will make a proposal to the SAGE board on how, when, 
and where SAGE can best recognize outstanding achievements in the system 
administration field. 
>>>> info sage-security
Security is a growing concern for system administrators.  This group will
examine ways of helping system administrators assess their need for
security and security policies.  We will seek ways to educate system
administrators on security issues.  We will consider soliciting or
developing sample policies and tools in this arena.

>>>> info sage-stds

This is the USENIX SAGE Standards Working Group mail reflector
(sage-stds).

The purpose of sage-stds is to provide a forum for discussion
about system management standards in the following areas:

	Communication:  Provide a central point of contact
		for information regarding system management
		standardization efforts.

	Education:  Educate system administrators about
		the standards process in general.  What can
		active administrators do to progress standards.

	Participation:  Provide a conduit for the solicitation
		of input from active system administrators.
		Most standards participants represent OEMs.  More
		input from active system administrators is needed.
		
Summaries will be posted to the mailing list of the IEEE POSIX
activities, OSF ManSig activities, UI SMWG activities, as well as
X/Open and NM Forum activities as they are publicized.  If you
would like to sign-up as the "official" reporter for a standards
working group, please post to sage-stds@usenix.org, and we'll
sign you up.

>>>> info sage-vendors

Welcome to SAGE vendors working group!  The purpose of this list is to 
discuss ways in which we, the members of the system administration community, 
can encourage vendors to recognize the importance of system administration 
and the need to develop tools to facilitate this.  Often times a single 
vendors' "solution" to system administration has no application in the real 
world, where many of us employ the hardware and software of several different 
companies.  It is hoped that SAGE can provide sufficient leverage to get
vendors to provide real world solutions that we would actually want and
could actually use.

Initially the purpose of the list will be to discuss the feasibility of
this course of action, and make a recommendation to the SAGE board.  The
board will then decide whether or not to pursue any sort of interaction 
with hardware and software vendors.  However, the list is not limited to
the purposes stated above, or to my personal view of what the vendor 
group should focus upon.  You, as a member of the group, have a great deal
of say in the matter.  If the members of the list feel the group should
take a different direction, that's what the group will do, provided it
remains within the scope of our charter. 

So, let's get this thing underway.  Remember, post early, post often, but
be sure you have something to say.

Terry Bartlett
Chair, SAGE Vendors working group

>>>> 




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