HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:13:49 GMT

krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:

>> 
>>Basically, Keith, it seems on this end that either you have a really
>>odd idea of what constitutes friendship between two people or you
>>just don't have much opinion of females outside of their dating potential.
>>Am I misunderstanding something?
>>  
>>--j
>You misunderstand quite a bit.  Most women that I know have a real problem
>with "outside women" calling up or coming over:
>	he:	Oh, she'e just a good friend.
>	she:	Yeah, right!!!

>Women that I have known, even as "just friends" have a real problem with
>a man that she might be out with _even noticing_ another woman while
>they are out together, much less, going to talk to her:
>	he:	She's kinda' cute.  I think I'll go and talk to her.
>	she:	Take me home!  I'm red' t go!

>Women that I have known, and women that my homeys known are jealous enough
>as it is, of the time that a man spends with his homeys, much less, areound
>female "just friends".

  You call these people "women".  Are they actually over the age of, say,
  16?  (Doesn't sound like it.)
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: migarcia@hfglobe.intel.com (Mike Garcia)
Subject: Christmas
Summary: Christmas cheer!
Keywords: Holidays
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:55:39 GMT

 The alarm awakens me from a
 dream forgotten.  I lay
 reflecting of what I will do
 this day.   Then I recall,
 today is a special day.  Today
 is a day of love and deep
 feelings.  I sit sipping my
 coffee, watching the flakes
 float down outside.  My breath
 fogs the window as the steam
 from my mug rises.  I smile
 and regard the years gone
 past.  Of the times spent with
 family and friends.  The
 children all laughs and giggles,
 as they shake the
 gifts under the tree.  Oh the
 tree, such a lovely creature.
 We always cut our own, taking
 great care to choose just the
 right one.  The smell fills
 the house as we place the
 lights and decorations upon
 it.  The glimmer and glisten,
 the intuition and incense.  It
 all fits so well together.  I
 recall back to when I was
 young.  The night before
 christmas, unable to sleep.
 Thinking of Santa and the gifts
 he would bring. The
 excitement, the anticipation,
 the suspense.  I smile as I
 remember the feeling of warmth
 come over me.  The embrace of
 magic in the air.  The
 kindness of others.  Yet I
 feel sorry for those who do
 not understand.  The people
 who have never had the peace
 and love.  I pray for them to
 believe in love.  I send a
 piece of myself to everyone.
 I am not rich in money but I
 have plenty of love to share with
 all.  This story poem is
 a part of me I give to you.
 Please send it to those who
 need it.  Thank you and have a
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Hawk ..................


Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,misc.legal,usa.legal,alt.sex,ba.singles
From: bll@seer.gentoo.com (Brad Lanam)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:21:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Brad Lanam  Walnut Creek, CA

morrison@boi.hp.com (Glen Morrison) writes:
>This is the 163rd response to this subject.  Does anyboby actually read this
>far into a thread???
>-gdm-

No.



-- 
Until the next disk seek...
   -- Brad Lanam  bll@gentoo.com bll@seer.mystic.com
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:44:32 GMT

In article <75495@apple.apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>
>>	1) how many of you ever approached a woman on your own, whom
>>	   you _did not_ find attractive in some way, for purposes of
>>	   making her acquaintance?
>>	2) how many of you ever, by your own free will, asked a woman
>>	   out on a date, whom you did not find attractive in some way?
>>	3) how many of you, actively and freely, spend significant amounts
>>	   of time with a woman whom you are not attracted to?
>
>By definition, if you spend time freely with someone, you must find
>something attractive about them (defining attractive in a very broad
>sense). However, many men and women perform the acts you mention without
>necessarily intending to pursue a romance with the person. Furthermore, a
>lot of people feel an attraction to someone and spend time with them
>without a clear idea of what it is they want out of the interaction.
>
>For example, there was a period in my life in which several men behaved in
>a semi-friendly, semi-romantic way toward me, courted me with one hand and
>held me at arm's length with the other. Obviously they found me attractive
>in some way, but it was not a kind of attraction that they could resolve
>into either friendship or romance. 
>                    
Hi Stef,
That's a new one for me.... the pushme-pullyou relationship :-)
I would be interested in hearing how you first met these "ambivalent" men.
Was first contact by means of you approaching them, of them approaching
you, or by third-party introduction?  I cannot help but think that
ambivalence on the part of the one is more likely to happen when first
was initiated by somebody other than the one.  What do you think?

Keith R
>--
>Stef                        
>stef@apple.com       Suppose there were no hypothetical questions?


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: Book
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:49:41 GMT

In article 14228@rs6000.bham.ac.uk, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:

>But how big is this book dreas? You seem to be completing it very quickly.

About twenty pages of fine print so far. It's a good start and
very far from being completed. Only started writing it two days ago. </.)

Gimme a break!

dreas

Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles
From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:08:14 GMT
	<MARTINC.92Dec11221535@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> <236@cnmhnet.UUCP>
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP's message of 14 Dec 92 22:36:18 GMT

In article <236@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:

   In article <MARTINC.92Dec11221535@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
   >Yes, Keith, it is.

   I stand corrected, Charles.  However, it is interesting that no one
   who corrected me bothered to mention that the correct group is 
   talk.abortion.  However, I do offer my apologies.  I was wrong this time.

Don't be a cretin, Keith.  And try news.announce.newusers as well.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:42:56 GMT

In article <101629@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>
>It seems that while women worry about unacceptable appearance, men worry
>about unacceptable performance -- not just sexual, but in all kinds of
>areas.  Each sex seems to look at the other and say, "Why on earth are you
>worrying about something as trivial as _that_?  You look/did just fine."

I imagine our culture has a definite bias in that direction, but I've met
a fair number of women who suffered from a fair amount of performance
anxiety.  (I don't know how common performance anxiety in the bedroom
is for men--it's not something that I've ever particularly worried about--
but it seems to be real common for women, perhaps largely because of our
culture's tendency to equate a woman's self-worth with her sexual
performance.)

Trygve
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Over 40 and single....Anyone that "OLD"?
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:00:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
> >
> >It all depends, of course, how you define yourself.  Many of us
> >whose identity is still colored by the 60s have a hard time
> >forming relationships with people who not only don't know where
> >they were when Kennedy was shot, they didn't even exist yet.

I know where I was when Kennedy got shot.  My mom, who was eight
months pregnant with me, was flushing the toilet when the handle
broke off and slashed her wrist open.  So I was inside of my mother
in the emergency room as she tried to convince the doctor that she
hadn't tried to commit suicide and she didn't need to have an emergency
C-section for psychiatric reasons, she just needed her damned arm sewn
up.  And the police were asking my father how depressed she had been
lately and how often he beat her, and he was trying to explain that she
had just flushed the toilet.

Does that count, Ken, huh, does that count?

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
From: monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Margarete Monaghan)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:24:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Geography, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: esb1mac18.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec15.102722.17472@rs6000.bham.ac.uk>, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
> 
> If you give someone little presents, what do you give and what do
> you like to receive?
> 
> Nice and simple...just interested!
> 

I like sending strange postcards that will 
appeal to the recipient's sense of humor.
I always write something terribly silly on the
back. My pals have received postcards from such
notables as Pope John Paul II and the Pillsbury
Dough-boy. 
I always check out the toy aisle when I go 
into drug stores and little grocery stores.
Minature cars, mini-slinkies and superballs
are small enough to be easily tucked into shoes
or backpacks for a surprise.
Small sets of colored pencils, pastels and even
crayons along with a drawing pad can bring out
the artist lurking within.
I like making cards and rubberstamps, but this 
may take more time and planning then you
had in mind.

Mara

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Women, Cats, & Chocolate
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:05:54 GMT

In article <19DEC199217020049@acad3.alaska.edu> ftlao@acad3.alaska.edu (OSSANDER LINDA A) writes:
>>>is this as interesting as the singles can get!!!!  I'm glad I have a
>>>boyfriend!!
>>By all means don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave.
>Hi I am new to this group. ;-)  Just wanted to say: "Rob" You are the kind of
>man I stay away from.  Grin..I was married to one that sounds like you for
>nearly 20 years.  I would prefur to be alone.  Have a nice day!


ok, rob on one side of the net, linda on the other...let's keep you
two separated...

gee, whatever happened to the women/cats/chocolate thread?
(And I'm still curious about that linkage...)

-bacon
I have no clue what I'm doing. But that's certainly never stopped Presidents...
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Woman: will you go out with shorter man?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:40:23 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec12.072004.148969@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>In <15837@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>As I said before, when this topic last came up, I think that dating someone
|>that exactly the same height is the ideal.  For one thing, you can both
|>stand flatfooted and you'll find that your lips fit.  Access to other
|>strategic parts is also much easier.
|
|I've found that in bed, height differences don't generally matter...

I suppose if you`re going to limit those sort of activities to a bed it 
doesn't generally matter.


-- 
+==========================================================================+
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Woman: will you go out with shorter ma
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.015215.20894@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 1g4juvINNafe@hydra.Helsinki.FI, taina@cs.Helsinki.FI (Juha Taina) writes:
>>[deleted]
>[deleted]
[deleted]

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.pagan,alt.romance,alt.sex,alt.polyamory,talk.religion.misc
From: rmy@pyuxf.uucp (Robert Yaeger)
Subject: Re: Truth
Organization: bcr.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:11:31 GMT

I think the fundemantal truth is that we don't know and no one, not the
president, our parents, the pope, not kings and queens, knows what a
single thing Is, we know a lot of details about all kinds of things, but
what it Is, remains a mystery and always will.
 
Enjoy the spirit of love and giving of this wonderful season as we celebrate
the return of the Light.
 
 
Yours in the Great Mystery,
 
Jaya Gurudev!
 
Bob Yaeger

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:24:51 GMT

casey@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sean Casey GSFC (301)286-4558) writes:

>In article <1992Dec9.182323.23707@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes...
>>In article <1992Dec9.022705.4868@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:

[Deleted: Lengthy thread about how princes tend to turn into frogs and that
occasionally a frog can turn into a prince, although you do have to kiss a 
lot of frogs first.]

>>I'm flattered.  Shall we start a club?
>> 
>>  The "Nice Guy in Search for His Princess Club".
>> 
>>It's interesting.  You always hear about the woman searching for her
>>Prince.  How about us guys?  What are we looking for?  Slugs ????
>> 
>>					Steve

>I thought Guys were just looking to get laid?

Now, here's a question I've wanted to ask.  I mean, I realize that both men
and women like sex a lot, but it seems to me that there are a lot of guys
out there who just want sex.  I once dated a guy who dumped me when he 
figured out that I wasn't about to jump into bed with him.  (I just don't
immediately want to sleep with everyone I date.  And it usually takes me a 
while to get comfortable with someone.  That doesn't mean I don't like 
sex.  I really do.  But it's not the most important part of a relationship
for me.  

How important /is/ sex to a relationship?

sharon
oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: lampman@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Ray Lampman)
Subject: Re: Greeting service at Madison Wisconsin (MSN) airport.
Followup-To: soc.singles
Summary: Thanks for the compliment.
Reply-To: Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com
Organization: FullFeed - Public Access Usenet/E-mail (+1 608 246 2701 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:01:16 GMT

Looking for someone to "share" a lifetime, not dictate it for me.
_________________________________________________________________

In article <15931@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
# In article <1992Sep17.232531.22191@fullfeed.fullfeed.com> Ray.Lampman@FullFeed.Com writes:
# |
# |I've always found it more pleasing to be met at the airport  than
# |to arrive alone. If you feel the same, please read on.
# |
# |I'm willing to meet you at the Madison airport (MSN) and help you
# |find  your  way  to  where ever you're going. I can provide local
# |transportation, and information about the Madison  area.  In  ex-
# |change,  we'll each get to meet someone new, with the possibly of
# |beginning a friendship. I live near the airport, but I  can  also
# |greet you at other local transportation points.
#
# This is easily the most imaginative way that I've ever seen suggested
# for meeting people.  Anyone that would have suggested such a technique
# is either quite interesting or will meet you wearing an orange robe and
# bearing flowers.

Why, thank you! I think "quite interesting" does  apply,  because
my bath robe is white and yellow with black stripes, and I seldom
bear flowers. I have "met" people as a  result  of  my  "Greeting
service"  offer.  But  I have yet to actually greet anyone at the
airport. It seems very few Net-people travel via the Madison air-
port.  I  continue  to enjoy helping people. And my sincere offer
remains open to all of you holiday season travelers.
_________________________________________________________________

# I believe this technique has also been tried in bus stations around
# the country as there always seems to be a few people hanging around
# the bus station to meet me.

In Madison, there always seems to be a few people hanging  around
the  bus station whether there's people to meet or not. It's just
one of those "always populated" places. But I'm glad to hear that
you always find a reception-party waiting.

Happy holidays,

Ray.Lampman
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:00:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <JoeMan.7.724562272@> JoeMan@ (Joe Tooman) writes:
>Not to bitch or anything, 

But you're going to anyways...

>but it seems to me that the female does not have
>any problem finding a guy anytime she feels like she wants a relationship.

And clueless as well.

>As a guy, I find that it is very hard to find a female that seems intrested.

In other words, you haven't gotten laid lately

>I have a good personality and I am told I rate an 7 on a scale from 1 to 10
>looks wise.

Gee, I'm so pretty, why can't I get dates. Try a life.

>In my last relationship, my SO always commented how a guy would
>ask for her phone number once a day on average, while I have never been asked
>once for my phone number except by some undesirables. 

Ahh, the key. Its the womans fault for being undesierable, not his fault for
not liking them.

>Maybe it is I don't do
>something right, or am not that persistant, but I am sure envious of women
>at this point.  I am moderatly shy, but that will not stop me from asking
>a woman I am intrested in for her phone number, but it would be a whole lot
>nicer if it was the other way around!  Oh well, what do you guys think...

I think you need to work on a clue.
Though, I must admit, you do have a good start, which is far better than most
of the whining boys that post stuff like this here.

Simply put- its not a woman's responsibility to change for you.
r.
From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Size 8? (Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:34:39 GMT
	<1992Dec15.203753.9339@netcom.com>
	<1992Dec16.060045.8400@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 06:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.060045.8400@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

   You know, I'm just not enjoying the direction this is going--surely the
   great net.minds out there can come up with ways to torture me that will
   be more enjoyable for all concerned.

   Trygve   (If need be, I'm willing to negotiate these things in person.) 

From what you said about your leg, I'd suggest la elise bonita in
minimal apparel, out of arms reach, saying "Hey Trygve, if you can catch
me you can have me."
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Women at work, was Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 11:54:20 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: usa
	<1992Dec11.014850.11707@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<JULIE.92Dec11190308@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> <Bz5Lz5.DIn@CAM.ORG>
NNTP-Posting-Host: functor.systemsz.cs.yale.edu
In-reply-to: souchay@CAM.ORG's message of 12 Dec 92 16:04:16 GMT

In article <Bz5Lz5.DIn@CAM.ORG> souchay@CAM.ORG (Francois Souchay) writes:

   I'd wager this attitude is endemic in male-dominated professions like
   engineering & the harder sciences, probably caused by a lack of
   non-relationship type contact with women. We have an unconsciously
   self-regulating system here, where women get driven out by geeky 
   behaviour from men, who thus don't get educated out of stereotypes
   about women at work. How do we reverse the trends apparent here?

Actually, I think relatively few women *are* driven out in the
way you suggest.  Rather, the problem is that there are not enough
women entering these fields to begin with.

Certainly when I was growing up, I faced a lot of "you can't do that
because you're a girl" or "any girl that would *want* to do that is
some kind of freak" attitudes from both my peers and older people such
as teachers and relatives.  Now, when people try to pressure *me* like
that, it just makes me more stubborn, but I know a lot of other girls
really do get discouraged instead.

More recently, I've been involved with a couple of programs aimed at
convincing more junior-high and high-school girls to consider careers
in science and engineering.  I think that now it's not considered
quite as outlandish for a girl to aspire to be an engineer or
physicist or architect as it was 20 years ago, but it still seems that
girls are afraid of being treated as nerdy outcasts if they do well in
tough math and science classes, and that there is a lurking assumption
(particularly noticible among the girls I worked with in Utah) that
girls don't need to take career training seriously because they're
expected to stop working once they marry.

Anyway, I can't say that I've ever experienced gender-based
harrassment of any type either in college or in any of the jobs I've
held since then.  The closest thing to it was when I was hired as the
first woman among a group of about 40 male engineers, and on the
telephone people would always assume I was a secretary and ask to
speak to "one of the *engineers*".  But it's been my experience that
as long as I act like a professional, that's how I'll be treated by my
coworkers.

-Sandra