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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #199
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:55:56 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 19 Aug 92       Volume 10 : Issue 199

Today's Topics:

      [*] (~ftp)/info-mac/util/uptodate.hqx
      [*] * dfaultd.hqx
      [*] columns-ii-11.hqx
      [*] Kermit 0.99(97) / C-Kermit 5A(182)
      [*] Note
      [*] powerbook-battery-voltage1.1.hqx
      [*] quicktime vcr 3.5
      [*] Russian Roulette
      [*] Spectre World Editor
      [*] TidBITS#138/17-Aug-92
      [*] trash-selector-12.hqx
      [*] waynes-world-grp1.hqx
      2k partition on PowerBooks
      About T2 Effects
      Advice sought: HyperCard XWindoids
      AlarmsClock
      Antique Mac stuff (q)
      Apple LW-IIg? XANTHE? upgrade to LW-IINTX (Q)
      Change Default font in Sigma Edit (Q)
      CIS Mail- Incredible Storie
      Desperately seeking a CD-rom v. 3.1 or higher!
      Effects Generated Via the Mac in T2
      Errors (A)
      Finding the size of a PICT, w/o opening the PICT file?
      generation systems monitors
      Hard Drive repairs
      Hidden folders with System 7
      How many Andy Welch's? (A)
      HP Tape Drive
      Hypercard Scripting (Selecting Text)
      IIsi purchase?
      Installing Fkeys
      Keyboards with MacKeymeleon II
      Mac version of Framemaker does some symbolic math
      Mac Works 3.0
      MCL 2.0 & ftp
      Moving footnotes in Word 5.0 to end of file
      NCSA Telnet via Bitnet (Docs and Exe'a)?
      Need help with printing PostScript to a file
      Norton vs. Quicken continues
      Now Utilities 4.0 (A)
      NOW Utilities 4.0: another phonecall, a different answer
      Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing? (2 msgs)
      Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing? (C)
      Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing? (R)
      Now utils 4 WILL work with 3.02 components.
      Picture as font Character
      PowerBook-140 4/40 discounted to $1500 with appearance of PB-145
      PowerBook Caution
      QuicKeys 2.1.2a problem
      QUILL where to find? (Q)
      Removing Password from WP file
      Security Concepts #
      SyQuest-ion
      Telephone and Mac
      Terminator 2 - yet another message
      THINK Reference 2.0?
      typing on the desktop? what does it do?
      Weird bug in System 7
      What is Templa Graphica? (Q)
      WordPerfect 2.1 vs. MS Word 5?
      XferIt author

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:38:09 +0200
From: heksterb@cs.utwente.nl (Ben Hekster)
Subject: [*] (~ftp)/info-mac/util/uptodate.hqx

Submitted for your approval--

UpToDate is a utility for keeping multiple, distributed copies
of documents up to date.  For instance, if you have a `main'
Macintosh at home and a portable for `on the road', UpToDate
can help you ensure that both machines have the most recent
copy of any documents that you have worked on.  Even if your
Macs are not connected by a network, UpToDate can help with
transferring files from one Mac to another by floppy disk.
UpToDate can also be useful when groups of documents are being
worked on by people in different places, and it can be used
for backing up files.

	UpToDate lets you link pairs of files or folders.  It
will help you keep track of changes in linked files or folders
by telling you when files have changed, deleted, or new files
have been created.  It can automatically copy, create or delete
the corresponding file to keep the link up to date.

	UpToDate requires a Macintosh with system software
version 7.0 in order to run.

Ben `Hackster' Hekster
heksterb@cs.utwente.nl

[Archived as /info-mac/util/up-to-date.hqx; 98K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:07:05 cdt
From: "Duckenfield,Paul" <DUCKENFI@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: [*] * dfaultd.hqx

Here is a nifty utility that some people might find interesting. It will
allow you to set a default directory for a specific application. For
instance, if you want Microsoft Word to initially open to the
Documents folder on your hard drive, rather than to whatever directory
the application happens to reside in, you can use this control panel
to do so. It is really quite useful. Instructions are included in
the control panel itself. It seems to function well with System
Seven. Author's address for shareware is included and the cost is
$20. This is version 2.22.

[Archived as /info-mac/cp/defaultd-222.hqx; 62K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:28:25 -0700
From: Chris Christensen <cnc@apple.com>
Subject: [*] columns-ii-11.hqx

This is version 1.1 of Columns ][

it fixes a serious bug seen by people running 7.0 on Mac Plus, Mac SE,
Classis or Powerbook 100 (68000 based machines) that caused it to crash.

It differs from the orginal Columns by the addition of
	Color
	Large Screen support
	Tournament Play
	More Sounds
	More pieces
	Etc

[Archived as /info-mac/game/columns-ii-11.hqx; 234K]

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:52:02 -0400
From: mingo@world.std.com (Charles H Mingo)
Subject: [*] Kermit 0.99(97) / C-Kermit 5A(182)

	I thought I'd send along the latest version of Columbia's
kermit program...

  Version: Mac Kermit 0.99(97) / C-Kermit 5A(182)
  Last update: 4 July 92

  Frank da Cruz, Columbia University
  e-mail: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Internet), FDCCU@CUVMA (BITNET/EARN)


This document applies to the pre-pre-pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit 1.0.  This
is a work in progress.  Many features remain to be filled in, refined, fixed,
or even designed.  Several volunteer programmers in scattered locations around
the world are working on the new release as their schedules permit; additional
skilled Macintosh C-programmer volunteer help would be most welcome!

This is the first Mac Kermit version to have been built with the C-Kermit 5A
file transfer protocol modules, so it incorporates all the latest protocol
features of C-Kermit, including sliding windows and character set
translation.


NEW FEATURES

Multiple screen windows: for terminal emulation, command processing, text
editing, server response, etc, managed in the normal Macintosh way, as well as
with a new "Window" menu to select any Mac Kermit window explicitly.  Cutting
and pasting works among most of the windows, including double click to select
a word, triple click to select a line.  Material can be copied from the
terminal window to other Mac Kermit windows, or to other applications.
Pasting into the terminal window sends text to the remote computer.  The
terminal session can also be logged directly to a file.

The Command window runs the C-Kermit command parser, just like on UNIX or VMS,
and similar to MS-DOS Kermit.  This gives you access to features that are
not in the mouse/menu interface, most importantly the DIAL command and the
script programming language, and allows the same script programs to be used
by C-Kermit on UNIX, VMS, the Macintosh, the Amiga, OS/2, etc, and by MS-DOS
Kermit (with proper precautions about portability).  Text command files can be
used as Mac Kermit startup files ("init files", like for C-Kermit or MS-DOS
Kermit).  Filenames can be referred to by their full path names in the SEND
command, etc, for example "send diskname:foldername:filename", or by
relative pathnames, e.g. "send ::foldername:filename".

Window sizing (vertically only) using the size box, including the terminal
emulation window.

Scrollback in most windows, including the terminal window.

Font selection in the terminal window.

More efficient file transfer via sliding window packet protocol and longer
packets.  The window size may be as big as 31 (the theoretical maximum) and
packets can be up to about 5000 characters long.

File transfer character set translation (available only via the Command
window).  The commands are SET FILE CHARACTER-SET, SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET,
and SET LANGUAGE.

Locking shift packet protocol for efficient transfer of 8-bit data over
7-bit communication channels.

Dynamic packet size adjustment to adapt to communication line quality.

File transfer thermometer.

Redesigned menus (but nowhere near final).

Many bugs fixed.

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/kermit-99-97.hqx; 260K]

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:14:28 +0930
From: mpradhan@medicine.adelaide.edu.au (Malcolm Pradhan)
Subject: [*] Note

 Note is a small application which you can duplicate to use as Post-it-like
notes. It uses balloon help to show the contents of a note. It's mainly for
use with System 7, not much use with System 6.

 Documentation and a nice folder icon included. Freeware.

--
    Malcolm Pradhan
    InterNet: mpradhan@medicine.adelaide.edu.au

[Archived as /info-mac/app/note.hqx; 20K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:58:40 PDT
From: lza@ulysses.caltech.edu (Lawrence Anthony)
Subject: [*] powerbook-battery-voltage1.1.hqx

attn: archive moderator

re: powerbook-battery-voltage.hqx

enclosed please find a binhqxed self-extracting archive containing
a mini-application which displays a digital readout of the battery
voltage (and other status information) of one's macintosh powerbook
or portable.  it also provides (indirectly) an estimate of the
amount of battery life remaining.

thanks in advance.

lawrence anthony
lza@ulysses.caltech.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/util/pb-battery-voltage.hqx; 41K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:54:12 -0600
From: slink@bert.cs.byu.edu (Jeff Slinker)
Subject: [*] quicktime vcr 3.5

Please post this latest and possibly last version of the quicktime vcr.
QuickTime VCR version 3.5               Released 8-17-92

The QuickTime VCR is a simple QuickTime Movie Player.

It requires that QuickTime and 32 Bit QuickDraw are installed.

It's interface is that of a VCR with Play, Stop, Fast Forward,
Rewind, Go to Beginning, and Go to End.

The Flashing 12:00 (which can be found on most VCRs) can be set
by clicking on the 12:00.

If you have any questions, comments, or bug reports please contact
me at       slink@bert.cs.byu.edu
before Dec. 1992, that is when my Computer Science accounts will
be deleted.  (Any work out there in the real world for an M.S. in C.S.?)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Modifications:
July 1992

Volume controls added.
Unnecessary redrawing of buttons is fixed.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Modifications:
August 1992

Bus Error fixed, it usually was seen when virtual memory was on.

Drag and Drop added for System 7.

Checks to see if Color QuickDraw is installed before the application
completely launches, if
not installed notification is provided and the application exits.

Close box added to the VCR so that it can be hidden.

Menu commands to control the VCR, even if it is hidden.

The VCR is slightly longer than previous versions.

Notice that my EMail addresses have changed since previous versions!
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Modifications:
August 17, 1992

The movie's poster can now be hidden.

Checks to see if Color QuickDraw is installed before calling other dependent
initialization
routines.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/quicktime-vcr-35.hqx; 36K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:06:18 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Russian Roulette

Russian Roulette 1.1        Barrels are placed on the perimeter of an arena.
			    Inside the arena are reflectors.  Shoot bullets
			    into the arena so they bounce off the reflectors
			    and smash barrels.  One of the barrels (you don't
			    know which) will blow up and kill you if you shoot
			    it.

Please replace the copy that I just sent you with this new version.
No need for a new name or version number since it's almost identical.

John Lindal
jafl@alice.wonderland.caltech.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/game/russian-roulette-11.hqx; 95K]

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:03:22 PDT
From: jafl@Alice.Wonderland.Caltech.EDU (John Lindal)
Subject: [*] Spectre World Editor

Spectre World Editor        Edit the Spectre game grid layout and colors.
			    Stone Henge structures confuse the robots!

This is a beta version, but I believe that I have gotten out all the serious
bugs.  Have fun with it.  Mail me lots of suggestions.

Don't forget to check out the help feature on the Apple menu.

John Lindal
jafl@alice.wonderland.caltech.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/game/spectre-world-editor.hqx; 116K]

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:12:54 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: [*] TidBITS#138/17-Aug-92

TidBITS#138/17-Aug-92

 Check out the hottest hardware and software from Macworld Boston,
   ShareVision's $1500 video-conferencing system and Gryphon's $149
   image morphing program, Morph. Eric Schlegel shares more
   information on WorldScript, and we look at what's coming to the
   PowerBook line this fall, along with a quick peek at the best
   PowerBook gadgets from Macworld and the second part of Mark
   Anbinder's piece on System 7.1 technologies.

Topics:
    MailBITS/17-Aug-92
    New PowerBooks
    ShareVision
    Morph
    Apple Futures II
    Portable Toys
    WorldScript Clarifications
    Reviews/17-Aug-92

[Archived as /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-138.etx; 29K]

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:39:31 -0500
From: haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Carl W. Haynes III)
Subject: [*] trash-selector-12.hqx

Trash Selector 1.2 is an update to my MacHack '92 entry which lets you
select which items in the trash you really wish to throw out.

Version 1.2 fixes a bug which caused some crashes on 68030 and above
machines.
Modifier key is moved from the option to control because Apple uses the option
key to indicate that locked files should be trashed.

Trash Selector is free.

   Carl W. Haynes III
   CWH3@aol.com  ||  haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu  ||  hcs@applelink.apple.com

(NOTE: This should replace trash-selector-11.hqx)

[Archived as /info-mac/cp/trash-selector-12.hqx; 33K]

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:52:30 -0400
From: jason r mihalick <mihalick@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: [*] waynes-world-grp1.hqx

Dear Administrators,

	Here is the first in a serious of archives containing
sounds from the Movie "Wayne's World".

	This archive contains sounds recorded in a 3:1
compression ratio using Sample Editor.  The sounds were recorded
using the built in sound input on a Mac IIsi, and I think that
you'll find that they are of good quality (for using the built
in mic).
	The sounds in this archive are as follows:

		A Gun Rack?
		And Monkeys might fly...
		Asphinxter says what?
		Garth talking about Bugs Bunny
		Creamofsomeyounguy
		Denied
		Excellent
		Exsqueexe Me?

	The sounds are free, so I hope you all enjoy them as much as
I have.

					-Jason R. Mihalick
				    mihalick@cis.ohio-state.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/waynes-world-grp1.hqx; 508K]

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Date: 18 Aug 92 20:35:33 EDT
From: David.M.Tillinghast@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: 2k partition on PowerBooks

I just heard from someone that the PBs come with two partitions on the HD:
one that contains the big section (about 40 megs) and another, 2k, partition
that the system uses for something.

I've long since maximized my partition to extend all over the disk. Is this
so horrible?

A guy on the powerbook development team said it shouldn't be a big deal, but
why then would they create the mini-partition in the first place?

-Tig
(tig.tillinghast@dartmouth.edu), 72521,1557 at CompuServe and (603) 646-5158
for people with voices.

PS: When I was in D.C. last fall previewing the PowerBooks, the Apple reps
went nuts whenever one of us refered to the portables as "PBs." I guess they
were afraid we'd use it in one of our articles, and customers would get it
confused with the new candybar (PB Max) that had just been released.

But this fit of anality seems to have passed. I've heard plenty of Applites
use the obvious syllable saver "PB." Anyone know the official word?

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:42:11 GMT
From: jorgej@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Joaquim Jorge)
Subject: About T2 Effects

In article <5-9208182349.AA06750@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU> Jon Pugh
<jpugh@apple.com> writes:

   According to the things I have seen and read, the nuclear bomb effects were
   done mostly with minatures.  The crew reported that they severely disturbed
   themselves with the images they created.  That's a testament to great
   work.

Here is something I got about a year ago:

Subject: The Mac and T2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

EIVERSO@CMS.CC: T2 computer grahics done on Macintosh!          6 Aug 91 15:29
Please excuse the sensationalist title to this post, but I can't resist after
reading earlier postings which doubted the Mac's ability to create graphics
worthy of Cameron's masterpiece--T2.
The following is from AppleLink, describing how Macs were use to create the
awesome Doomsday scene.
 -------------
Electric Image, Inc. was recently hired by ForeWard Productions to produce
four
computer graphic elements of Terminator II.  These elements consisted of the
city of Los Angeles blowing to bits as a huge nuclear shock wave moves towards
the viewer.

In order to create this shot, we first had to create Los Angeles.  We modeled
the buildings in Super 3D and positioned them in ElectricImage using the
rotoscoping feature.  This feature allows the user to display an image in the
background of the camera window.  The outlines of the models are displayed
over
the background image from the camera's point of view.  As the models are
positioned, rotated and scaled in the top, front and side windows, their
outlines are draw in over the background image in the camera window.  This
allowed us to exactly match the actual matt painting used in the scene.

The completed model of Los Angeles was saved out as a separate file.  This
file
was then processed with a custom program I wrote which can simulate explosions
by breaking up large polygons into smaller fragments.  Random rotation and
gravity was applied to each of these fragments and the whole model was written
out every frame as a separate group.  The total size of this model file was
over 200 MB.  ElectricImage then rendered this model one group per frame. The
camera location was the same one used to create the original Los Angeles
model.
144 frames were generated for each of the four passes (glow sphere, hold out
matt, shaded fragments, ring shockwave).  Each pass was rendered Phong shaded
at a resolution of 2048 x 898. The rendering took btween 10 and 18 minutes
per frame. The entire job was finished in two days on three Macintosh IIfx
computers.

The animations were converted to PICT files and were output on a Matrix QCR
film camera.  The shots were composited with before and after matt paintings
by
traditional optical techniques.

I think you will find the final shot quite impressive.  So far as I know, this
is the first time that work of this nature has been performed entirely on a
Macintosh. I found the work to be both challenging and rewarding and hope to
do more motion picture production work in the future.
Terminator II is a great film. I strongly urge you to see it.

Mark Granger
Electric Image
 -------------------------
The above was taken from AppleLink. I have no futher information on it.
I don't know how to contact Mark Granger. This information is offered at face
value only. Don't e-mail me for further details cause I don't have any.
I hope this doesn't lead to rumors about all of T2's comp. graphics being done
on a Mac, because they weren't.

[paragraph removed]

--Eric

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

      I'd just like to thank both Mark Granger who originally posted it to
Applelink and Eric who posted it to the newsnet where I found it.

Ian



--
Joaquim Jorge
======================================================================
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute  | E-mail: jorgej@cs.rpi.edu
C.S. Department                   | Phone:  (518) 276 4849
RPI,Troy, NY 12180                | Home:   (518) 273 4415
======================================================================

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:38:21 GMT
From: knight@swfmc1.SINet.SLB.COM (Francis Knight, SIEM UK Felixstowe)
Subject: Advice sought: HyperCard XWindoids

Hi all,

     For my first trick... I'm exploring the world of XCMDs, and XWindoids
in particular, without any documentation, apart from Bill Hofmann's very
useful sample code, and Hypertalk 2.0: The Book, which omits HC 2.0's new
XCMD callbacks! My aim is to generate some data plots from HC, exportable
as QuickDraw objects. So two requests:

     Can anyone direct me to a source of *up to date* information on XCMD
     programming?

     Can someone enlighten me how to retrieve the message text sent to an
     XWindoid, and detected by event.what = xSendEvt?  Just to give me
     something to do over the weekend ;)


Cheers,
Francis K.

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:36:38 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: AlarmsClock

In Regards to your letter <199208182354.AA02868@nwnexus.wa.com>:
> On the negative side (and what this is all about) is that I use
AlarmsClock.
> If I upgrade to 4.0, I won't be able to use it anymore unless I order the
> Up-To-Date 2.0 package. I spoke with Now and they said that the 4.0 package
is
> engineered NOT to work with 3.0.x components.

is will not STOP working just because you upgrade the rest of the
Now Utilities to 4.0. It's a self-contained extension and I can't
imagine that it will break any time soon. That's what I've heard in
similar discussions on CIS, although I haven't talked to Now about
it specifically.

cheers ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:25:43 CDT
From: bwalls@marvin.msfc.nasa.gov
Subject: Antique Mac stuff (q)

I have a possible opportunity to pick up some pretty old mac stuff
for work, and wonder if it is worth the paperwork.  One piece is
a Dayna MacCharlie, which is two 5.25" floppy drives in a standup
case obviously designed to go with an old biege mac.  Is this still
usable with anything modern?  Are the proper drivers still available?

The next is an apple tape drive, also beige.  It is '86 vintage, apparant-
ly called a Tape 20.  Same questions as above.  Does 20 mean 20Mb capacity?
That would be better than backing up to floppy, I suppose, but I couldn't
stand to do that...  I have a 160Mb & an 80Mb on my system.

Thank you, oh ether-storehouse of knowledge.
Bryan Walls
bwalls@marvin.msfc.nasa.gov

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:42:01 PST
From: "Tim Thompson, JPL Radio/submillimeter Astronomy Group"
<THOMPSON@jplrag.JPL.NASA.GOV>
Subject: Apple LW-IIg? XANTHE? upgrade to LW-IINTX (Q)

Greetings and Felicitations, Ladies and Gentlemen of Info-Mac;

   I have a LaserWriter II-NTX, which I would like to upgrade. Prime
   candidates
are the Xanthe Accel-a-writer or the Apple IIg board with Photograde. Maybe
somebody out there has already done this kind of thing, or already compared
the
two. I solicit comments/advice/etc.
   Mille Mercis
				    Tim Thompson
				    thompson@jplrag.jpl.nasa.gov
				    thompson@128.149.9.66

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:43:30 MST
From: Bruce Long <ICBAL%ASUACAD.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Change Default font in Sigma Edit (Q)

Could any Mac Wizard out there explain how to change the default font
in Sigma Edit 1.1 from Geneva 9 to Times 12 using ResEdit?

Bruce Long
Department of Mathematics
Arizona State University
icbal@asuvm.inre.asu.edu

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Date: 19 Aug 1992 11:05:43 U
From: "Robert Hess" <robert_hess@macweek.ziff.com>
Subject: CIS Mail- Incredible Storie

CIS Mail: Incredible Stories
An associate, in the midst of another discussion with CIS, uncovered the fact
that CompuServe now accepts enclosures/files/messages from the Internet as
large as 500K; most of you are probably aware they used to truncate everything
at 32K. In an attempt to verify this, I specifically asked CIS' Postmaster
(who's a woman, I suspect by the name, so I guess it's 'Postmistress' [sounds
kind of S&M] or 'Postperson') whether I could expect messages from the
Internet
larger than 32K to make it to my mailbox on CompuServe. Here's the response:

 --------------------------
Robert -

CompuServe will accept inbound messages as large as 500k.  However, we have
no control over other systems in the network path.  They may not allow files
of this size.

Sincerely,

Pamela Hall
postmaster@compuserve.com
 --------------------------

Theoretically, therefore, it should now be possible to receive Info-Mac
Digest,
comp.sys.mac.programmers' Digest and others without losing half their
contents.
I haven't gone so far as to verify this fact; I already receive the digests
directly from the Internet.

Robert

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Date: 19 Aug 92  9:23 +0100
From: FLAVIO ORTIGAO <ortigao@RZ.uni-ulm.dbp.de>
Subject: Desperately seeking a CD-rom v. 3.1 or higher!

Hi, since I have changed to system 7, I have a problem of compatibility with
my old CD-rom. My local Apple dealer told  me that I need a CD-rom v. 3.1, and
that such is available through FTP. I checked at Info-mac but could not find
one. I would be most grateful if anybody could either tel me were to download
one, or even better send it to me. Thank you, Flavio

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:35 EDT
From: JOURL205@ksuvxa.kent.edu
Subject: Effects Generated Via the Mac in T2

	While the majority of the graphics work in T2 was visualized using the
Silicon Graphics stations, the scene that depicts the Los Angeles of 1997
munching on a little unhealthy nuclear fire was indeed generate with the help
of everyone's favorite user friendly computer.  This scene was NOT produced
by Industrial Light and Magic but instead by another of the companies
contracted to do effects for T2.  If memory serves, the software/hardware
used was Electric Image with some other software items for additional perks.
	Also, the while the original conecption of the T1000's morphing
abilities came from James Cameron, it was Dennis Muren of Industrial Light and
Magic who decided to take a year leave and research the possibility of
achieving
Cameron's grand vision through digital means.  His research basically entailed
purchasing a Macintosh and experimenting with various 3-D modeling programs.
So the Macintosh did indeed play a rather important, if considerably more
behind the scenes, role than most people think.
	And yes, the Mac is being used to generate storyboards in pre-
production these days.

					-Ryan S. Leasher.
					Internet:  JOURL205@ksuvxa.kent.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:42:02 CDT
From: wadew@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU (Wade Williams)
Subject: Errors (A)

>I try and open an application and the system crashes with a *bus error*. I am
>able to to restart by clicking on the restart button.
>What is a bus error, in general and in this context?
>What is it a symptom of?

It's just a bug in a program really.  It can be caused by a number things,
none of which should be your fault.  It's usually caused by something like
a program trying to use some memory which it has already released.
Occassionally, a corrupted system can cause Bus Errors, so you might want
to try installing a fresh System Folder.

>I try to open an application, it opens and then it shuts down and I get a
>message something like
>*unknown application has unexpectedly quit, error type 25*
>The System Errors DA tells me:
>25    dsMemFullErr - out of memory!
>
>In addition to these now fairly frequently occurring events, I seem to be
>experiencing more than my fair share of freeze-ups.

An out of memory error is caused by....being out of memory.  Try increasing
the application's memory allocation.

When I first installed System 7, I had a few problems and had to reinstall
a few times to get it straightened out.  Ever since then though, I've had
very few problems (almost none).

Wade Williams
Academic Computing, Auburn University
wadew@mail.auburn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:28:00 PDT
From: "Anthony E. Siegman" <siegman@sierra.stanford.edu>
Subject: Finding the size of a PICT, w/o opening the PICT file?

I'd like a simple tool, preferably a DA, that could find just the
dimensions of the PICT in a PICT file (in inches), preferably without
even opening the file.

Just the width and height, nothing more.  (These numbers are needed to
\input the PICT into a TeX document, using the \special command in
Textures.)

Anything like this around?

Responses preferably direct to siegman@sierra.stanford.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:54:15 GMT
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: generation systems monitors

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:
>dear list members
>any experience with generation systems monitors????  ONe of the mailorder
>houses is offeri a 14inch model for about 400 dollars to go with an
>xceed card for a SE30.  any comments very welcome... mayb e off line to me
>and I'll summarize.
>james  (in paris france)
>benenson@frese51.bitnet
>all the best
Generations systems is the same company as MIrror Technologies, a well known
mail order house.  They just slap a different label on the hardware and sell
it
for higher prices through mail order outlets and stores.
-Terry

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:13:41 GMT
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Hard Drive repairs

I have an external 80mb hd that I need to get fixed, It is an Ehman so
I can't get them to fix it, Anyone know where I could get it fixed?

Thanks in advance

--Zach  Zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:12:31 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Hidden folders with System 7

On Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:53:13 +0100 you said:
>I've just upgraded lab SE & SE/30 to System 7. Under System 6 I use to
>hide the application folders using ResEdit's Get Info section to prevent
>users messing around with the files.  However under System 7 if the
>application is in a hidden folder and one double clicks on a document
>you get a message that the application can't be found! Launching from
>Apollo works OK but aliases don't work either if the application is
>hidden. Is this a feature of System 7 or a bug?

Feature.  You need the At Ease lab pack from Apple M1438LL/A  An
elegant solution to that problem and a number of others.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:28:12 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: How many Andy Welch's? (A)

One. The Rochester address is correct.

Graeme Forbes

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:11:54 CST
From: "M. C. Yang      " <MYANG%TWNNTIT.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: HP Tape Drive

Dear Netters,
  We have an HP Tape Drive hooked up to our HP workstation.  I am wondering
if it could be used as a tape backup for Mac.  Does any person on the net
have this kind of experience?  If the answer is yes, where can I get the
driver?  Thanks in advance.

M. C. Yang
National Taiwan Inst. of Tech.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:51:52 EST
From: Jeff <EGKLINE@indst.indstate.edu>
Subject: Hypercard Scripting (Selecting Text)

Hello Netters,

I am having trouble fgetting a script to work. So I would appreciate some
help. In my script I want to show the user a line of text, and then have them
select a word or phrase from the text and then process that word or phrase
in the script. This process needs to take place in a repeat script.
What i am doing is reading in a text file and showing the user each line and
then having them select a word or phrase.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Jeff
egkline@befac.indstate.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:13:06 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: IIsi purchase?

On Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:39:01 -0400 you said:
>I'm on the verge of getting a IIsi. Then someone pointed out that Apple
>is redefining its product line and price drops may be in the offing.
>
>Should I go ahead with my plans, or should I wait?

Can you afford to wait until Sep 14?  Is there a Sears or Circuit City
near you?

>Is it CERTAIN that prices will drop, or only POSSIBLE?

Nothing that hasn't already happened is certain.

>Or is it possible, as someone else pointed out, that prices are going
>back UP in October and now is the time to do it?

Ha!  Have you paid any attention to the cutthroat pricing going on on
the MeSsy DOS side?  Apple isn't under as much pressure to reduce
prices, but they ARE under some pressure.  A price increase would be
suicidal.  In some instances Apple will offer more features at the same
price (if you want to wait until October 19--at which time the IIsi will
be GONE!).

>Is it appropriate to ask the list for advice on this question?

Absolutely, PROVIDED you don't mind figuring out for yourself which is
bad and which is good ;-)

------------------------------

Date: 18 Aug 92 20:39:14 EDT
From: David.M.Tillinghast@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: Installing Fkeys

I have this SpinD FKey in front of me, but whenever I attempt to install it
with FKey Manager, it musses up my finder so bad it has to be replaced.


Anyone know how I can go about installing this (much needed) hack by using
ResEdit?
I'm not faint of heart in wielding ResEdit around such small problems, I'm
just ignorant as to how to go about doing it.

-Tig
(tig.tillinghast@dartmouth.edu), 72521,1557 at CompuServe and (603) 646-5158
for people with voices.

------------------------------

Date: TUE, 18 Aug 92 23:30:09 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"%UQAT.UQuebec.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Keyboards with MacKeymeleon II

For those interested, there is a product that can be used to customize your
keyboard and create as many keyboards as you like. It's fully compatible with
both System 6 and 7. Many people using the same machine can use their own
keyboard. You create keyboards by moving characters around with the mouse. It
won't create any new characters, but you can access some by typing one
instead of two keystrokes. It will just change the location of those already
existing by accessing the KChr resource. You can switch keyboards with an
F-Key or a DA. There is also another F-Key to access every possible
characters like with PopChar, but it's better because you can select the
size.
The price in Canadian dollars is 119.95$ which I think is a bit too high. I
wrote to them about that. Perhaps site licensing is available. I have been
using the product since 1984 and could not live without it. It's available in
both French and English and could be translated easily in other languages
since the menus are rather simple.
For informations:
Logiciel Avenue
2162 boul. Charest Ouest
Sainte-Foy
Quebec
Canada  G1N 2G3
FAX (418) 681-1055

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:46:46 EDT
From: psz@lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Mac version of Framemaker does some symbolic math

In fact, the Mac version of FrameMaker has a limited ability to do
symbolic math.  I think Frame bought someone else's early version of a
symbolic math system as the basis of their formatter for math, and
retained the manipulation features.  It's not Macsyma, but you can
expand a(b+c) to ab+ac and other such things.  (I like FrameMaker, but
don't in fact use this capability.)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 06:58:14 GMT
From: u8707354@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew George Jeffrey)
Subject: Mac Works 3.0

Has anyone see Works 3 for the Mac yet? We in Aust were told it would be
shipping in 7 days time??
Any news??

Cheers
--
u8707354@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
Andrew Jeffrey
 --------------------------
|                          |

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:36:24 -0400
From: Mark Halliday <markh@media-lab.mit.edu>
Subject: MCL 2.0 & ftp

Has anybody ever transferred files by ftp using MCL 2.0? We are using
some sample code that comes with the application but it seems to have
a bug in it. We can open a control stream but when we try to open a
data stream, the whole whole thing crashes.  Any advice?
Thanks,
-markh

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:14:05 PDT
From: "Peter Jorgensen" <PJORGENSEN%COLGATEU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Moving footnotes in Word 5.0 to end of file

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:37 EDT
From: Peter Jorgensen <PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET>
Subject: Moving footnotes in Word 5.0 to end of file
To: INFOMAC: ;
X-VMS-To: in%infomac

Greetings,

We are working with a publisher who wants the footnotes to be at the end of
the file. The publisher does NOT want automatic footnotes. They do want
superscript footnote reference numbers. Our document has automatic footnotes
now, and we are looking for a way to convert the file. Saving the file as TEXT
puts the footnotes at the end, but eliminates all other formatting, which must
be preserved. We don't want to have to manually copy the footnotes to the end
of the file and change the auto-footnote numbers into regular superscript text
manually.

Don't tell me about the various options for footnote placement in
Format/Document, they only affect the printed output, and we need to have the
footnotes at the end of the file.

Thanks for your suggestions... especially if they work! ;)

Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University Research & Instructional Computing Spec.
		- Mac/DOS/VMS consultant, PMDF Postmaster, HyperTalker

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:46 EDT
From: "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
<SYS%ALBION.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: NCSA Telnet via Bitnet (Docs and Exe'a)?

Greets all,


	Can someone point me in the right direction for NCSA Telnet (lastest
version)?  As I have no Internet Access, something on Bitnet would be ideal.
I've looked in the archives at MACSERVE@PUCC, but find only the executable
files.  I need documentation, too.

Please reply directly to me and I'll summarize if neccessary.

Thanks
Jason Ruiter
Sys@Albion.bitnet

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:58:04 +0200
From: "O. Rose, University of Karlsruhe"
<rose@tmipi5.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Subject: Need help with printing PostScript to a file

I have an odd problem when trying to print documents that
consist of several files using WORD 4.0. I can chain these
files within WORD, but when I try to print them to a file,
I only get the first file printed to the PostScript file.
All others will go to the printer being connected (obviously
the LaserWriter Driver forgets about the option to print to
disk for these parts of the document).

Does anyone know how to circumvent the problem (might be it
helps if I just had a tool that redirects all output written
to the printer to a file).

Regards

-- O. Rose
   rose@telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:37:01 -0400
From: "Tad Davis" <davist@a1.relay.upenn.edu>
Subject: Norton vs. Quicken continues

An update on my Norton 2.0/Quicken 3.0 problem. I've been keeping quiet
while I try to work things out with the vendors. So far no luck: I have the
most recent versions of everything and the problem persists.

Most recent version of Quicken: v3.0r8, dated 6/17/92 12:00am, 674k.

Most recent version of Norton FileSaver: v2.0, dated 4/20/92 2:03pm, 124k.
(The disk label says D.RV233.M).

When I try to transmit payments to CheckFree, Quicken crashes in an
assortment of ways: it freezes; or I get a divide by zero message; or an
unexpectedly quit message; or a variety of other messages. If I remove
FileSaver, restart with the shift key, or simply DISABLE FileSaver from the
Control Panel BEFORE launching Quicken (as someone suggested), the problem
does not occur.

I do not believe there is a problem with my system or hard disk. As I
mentioned before, I've deleted and reinstalled everything from scratch, and
none of the utilities report any problems. All other applications work
fine; I'm experiencing NO OTHER strange problems. Three other people have
reported privately that they are having the same problem with the two
programs. I believe that there is an incompatibility problem with Norton
FileSaver 2.0 and Quicken 3.0: I believe this because the problem occurs
when FileSaver is the ONLY extension I have running.

I'll continue my round of phone calls tomorrow. If I learn anything new
I'll pass it on.

Tad Davis
davist@a1.relay.upenn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:56:01 -0400
From: rarcuri@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0 (A)

Hello netters,

In info-mac digest #198, Robert Brockman says:

>On the negative side (and what this is all about) is that I use AlarmsClock.
>If I upgrade to 4.0, I won't be able to use it anymore unless I order the
>Up-To-Date 2.0 package. I spoke with Now and they said that the 4.0 package
is
>engineered NOT to work with 3.0.x components.

When I called Now with the same concerns, I was told that the AlarmsClock
and Deskpicture utilities from 3.0 would still work along with the new
utilities from 4.0, and that the only disadvantage would be that they would
still use just as much memory as they always had.  I was NOT given the
impression that version 4.0 was engineered specifically to make the older
utilities useless.

As far as marketing is concerned, I DO wish that AlarmsClock and
Deskpicture were still included in the Now Utilities package.  But it will
only become a major concern if the 3.0 versions DON'T work with 4.0.

- Russ Arcuri
- rarcuri@hamilton.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:41 EST
From: ROBERT_BROCKMAN <CDBSDUC@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: NOW Utilities 4.0: another phonecall, a different answer

About my previous NOW Utilities 4.0 post:

I hoped I was wrong, or that what I had been told was wrong, but I'm still
not convinced.

I spoke with a man named "Joe" who told me that the packages were being
engineered to work only with the most recent pieces of each other, to
prevent, among other things, the confusion Apple had with differing system
version numbers (System 5.1 with Finder 6.0.2 with LaserWriter 5.2 and
Chooser 7.0 etc.). This kind of makes sense, but I can't imagine how
AlarmsClock 3.0.2 would have any kind of code that would disrupt subsequent
4.0 utilities, but I'm no programmer (still trying to get through Symantec's
Just Enough Pascal!).

Today I spoke with a woman (didn't get her name) who said that what Joe had
said was incorrect, that YES, you could keep using the selected bits from
3.0.2 with 4.0 without HAVING to upgrade and buy other software (like having
to buy Up-To-Date just to get AlarmsClock). I'd much rather believe her, but
I'm still going to wait a few more weeks and see what really happens and how
the net reacts to the "improvements" in 4.0. To be honest, as a graduate
student, I'm running out of money to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I
don't need Excel 4.0, I don't like HP's 3.0 driver for the DeskWriter, etc.
so why spend more money just to have the latest and greatest?

Robert Brockman * CDBSDUC@IUP.BITNET  or  CDBSDUC@GROVE.IUP.EDU *

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:49:07 -0400
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing?

Robert Brockman writes:

>By now most of you have probably received your upgrade notice from Now
>Utilities for Now 4.0.

    Yup, in fact I already ordered it.

>The upgrade is... interesting. Several components have been combined,
>and others have been dropped. For example, Now Menus and Multimaster
>have been combined and heavily integrated with SuperBoomerang.

    I got to see some of the demo at MacWorld, and the new StartUp
Manager and Now Menus are worth the price of the upgrade alone. Also the
new version of WYSIWYG Menus looks really nice, especially since you can
now add not only color to the fonts in the menu, but you can also assign
command keys to them as well. And thanks to the new NowMenus you can do
this spearately in each application.

>AlarmsClock has been dropped from the Utilities package, and added to
>the Up-To-Date utility set.  DeskPicture and ScreenLocker have been
>dropped and will be added to yet another collection of utilities.

    True, but based on the reasoning in their propaganda this seems
reasonable. Lords knows I've never used ScreenLocker, and I currently
don't use DeskPicture.

>On the plus side, 4.0 will only work with System 7, so the utilities
>offer more features, are smaller, faster, and use about half as much RAM
>as 3.0.x ones.

    IMHO, this is a plus that is very hard to outweigh.

>On the negative side (and what this is all about) is that I use
>AlarmsClock.  If I upgrade to 4.0, I won't be able to use it anymore
>unless I order the Up-To-Date 2.0 package. I spoke with Now and they
>said that the 4.0 package is engineered NOT to work with 3.0.x
>components.

    What?! This is something that I hadn't heard. Why in the world would
they design their own init conflict? (Yes I know the obvious reason why,
but I'm venting a little ;) I can see something along the lines of using
the old Multimaster and the new NowMenus, but AlarmsClock seems to be
totally unconnected to the other utilities. It just makes no sense that
AlarmsClock would stop working if you used NowMenus 4.0. I guess I'll
have to wait and see, but I will be quite pissed if they actually did
this.

>Am I being unreasonable, or does this sound like a bad policy?

    No, it definately sounds like a bad policy to me.

>I don't mind paying $30 for 4.0, I DON'T like that they apparently
>purposely made it so that I can't use previous products I've purchased
>from them.

    Previous products what you directly interact with the new set of
utilities I can see, but how can they make it so you can't use a
completely unconnected utility. Does that mean that for the few people
out there who use DeskPicture that they will have to wait until this new
set of utilities is released before they can use it again with Now
Utilities 4.0? This just doesn't make any sense to me.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:59:34 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing?

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:19 EST you said:
>By now most of you have probably received your upgrade notice from Now
>Utilities for Now 4.0.
>
>The upgrade is... interesting. Several components have been combined,
>and others have been dropped.  On the negative side (and what this is
>all about) is that I use AlarmsClock. If I upgrade to 4.0, I won't be
>able to use it anymore unless I order the Up-To-Date 2.0 package. I
>spoke with Now and they said that the 4.0 package is engineered NOT to
>work with 3.0.x components.
>
>Anyone else have any comments on this?

That not only sounds strange, it seems bizarre.  The new Up-To-Date
with Alarms Clock isn't scheduled to ship for another couple of months.
I happen to own both Up-to-Date and the Utilities; am I to be left
without Alarms Clock in the interim?  So, I called Now myself and asked
about it.  Maybe to folks who take telephone orders are about as
informed as the typical Apple dealer.  Anyhow, here's what the young
lady told me:

Yes, you can continue to use Alarms Clock and DeskPicture with the new
utilities, BUT the Now 4.0 installer will default to removing all the
old utilities (including ones it doesn't replace).  You have two
options: 1) pull Alarms Clock and DeskPicture out of the Control Panel
and put them in another folder while you run the 4.0 installer, then put
Alarms Clock and Desk Picture back in the Control Panel, OR 2) Install
4.0 and then manually drag Alarms Clock and DeskPicture from your
original 3.0.x disks back into the Control Panel.

Obviously, there could be conflicts between 4.0 Utilities and the 3.0.x
versions that are replaced (including, possibly NowMenus 4.0 with
SuperBoomerang 3.0.x, for example).  I can't see any reason for the 4.0
Utilities to have any problem with DeskPicture or Alarms Clock from the
3.0.x package.  I've ordered the upgrade, so I should be able to verify
what I've been told in early December.  You can wait until you find out
what happens to me before you risk your $29 if you want to :)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:10:11 -0500
From: Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo)
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing? (C)

ROBERT_BROCKMAN <CDBSDUC@grove.iup.edu> writes:

  > AlarmsClock has been dropped from the Utilities package, and added to
  > the Up-To-Date utility set.
  > ...
  > On the negative side (and what this is all about) is that I use
  > AlarmsClock. If I upgrade to 4.0, I won't be able to use it anymore
  > unless I order the Up-To-Date 2.0 package. I spoke with Now and they
  > said that the 4.0 package is engineered NOT to work with 3.0.x
  > components.

   Maybe I'm dense, but why can't you continue to use AlarmsClock 3.02
after you've gotten NOW Utilities 4?  Just because they have different
version numbers?  When you upgrade you don't HAVE to throw out the
older version (particularly when it does something that the upgrade
doesn't).  AlarmsClock never was "integrated" into anything else in
version 3.0, so there would be no loss of synergy.

   On an unrelated note:  I stopped using AlarmsClock 3 after I noticed
that it made my clock run backwards!  The clock would being ticking
forward, stumble back a second or so, then speed up to catch up to
where it should be.  (Note that the clock would still keep very accurate
time, but just not move through time smoothly.)



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:46:59 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu>
Subject: Now Utilities 4.0: scam or suave marketing? (R)

I, too, have been a loyal user of the NOW Utilities and am questioning how
much longer I'll continue to be such.

I had been assuming that I would continue to be able to use the 3.0 version
of DeskPicture, especially since there are only PLANS for the package which
will include it, the package isn't ready to be released yet. This is most
distressing.

For those who use StartUpManager, there's another change which I find quite
irritating. The current version of StartUpManager turns extensions and
cdevs off by modifying the file attributes so they aren't recognized. The
new version, according to the mailing, will turn them on and off by moving
them into and out of the Extensions and Control Panels folder (no mention
what they are going to do with the ones which still have to live in the
System Folder itself. Extension Manager works this way, and that is
precisely the reason why I switched to using StartUpManager. Moving files
>From folder to folder constantly drives backup programs crazy. I use
several different sets of extensions/cdevs and found that I was constantly
unable to find things on backups. I'm not a happy camper.

For what it is worth, I posted a very strongly-worded note of complaint on
GEnie, where NOW maintains a support forum. I'd suggest that anyone else
having a GEnie account do the same thing. I don't know if they have forums
on CIS or AOL, but if so, complaints there would be appropriate also.

This is, IMHO, nothing more than a marketing ripoff - let's sell a package
of software, then break it up into two or three pieces and see if we can
sell updates to three packages instead of one. Sure, they're offering us a
good deal on the extra packages THIS TIME, but you can bet that we'll have
to pay the regular upgrade fee for each of the packages every time they're
updated in the future.
--
Jerry Wilcox  iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:43:54 -0400
From: maynard@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Now utils 4 WILL work with 3.02 components.

The update to Now Utilities 4.0, as many know, will omit a
few utilities, most notably DeskPicture and AlarmsClock.
Yesterday someone posted a claim that not only did the collection
omit these utilities, but it would not run if you used the 3.02
versions of these utilities. This seemed outrageous to me, but
sufficiently outrageous to be unlikely so I called NOW today.
I spoke to a very nice woman who was startled by this claim
and who unequivocally assured me that my old 3.02 DeskPicture
and AlarmsClock would work once I installed th 4.0 updates. She
seemed pretty upset at this rumour of NOW's maliciouness and asked
me to post making this quite clear. She was only a sales droid,
but did seem genuinely startled to hear this claim and concerned
about the reputation NOW had.

Maynard Handley

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:32:36 -0700
From: John_Rosborough@sfu.ca
Subject: Picture as font Character

Can anyone give me a hint on what might do this? I remember something from
a long time ago, but can't lay my hands on it now.

>Do you know a any software which will allow the use of a graphic as a
>laser font.
>
>I played with a shareware product called Art Importer which allowed you to
>move a PICT or EPS graphic into a font at 24/48 pt sizes.   Actually it was
>a demo program from Altsys that I got from CompuServe.  However, it does
>not seem to work with System 7.
>
>Do you know of any other such programs?

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:50 N
From: <HEWAT%FRILL53.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> (HEWAT@FRILL.BITNET FAX
FRANCE[33] 76-48-39...)
Subject: PowerBook-140 4/40 discounted to $1500 with appearance of PB-145

Distribution-File:
	info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu

A colleague just back from the States says that the PB140-4/40 is discounted
to $1500 now that the PB145 is out. Too bad neither the 140 nor the 145 have
any provision even for adding an fpu.

Alan Hewat, ILL, 156X Grenoble Cedex, 38042 France (email Hewat@FRILL.bitnet)

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Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 09:10:45 EDT
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: PowerBook Caution

Just a few weeks ago, I purchased a PowerBook 170.  I took it with me
on an out of town trip last week.  My travels taught me an important
lession that I would like to share with the net.

I've owned a Mac Portable for several years.  I've hauled it's hefty
weight with me over hill and dale, on and off aircraft, around the
house etc.  It's been (so far 100%) reliable.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the PowerBook 170.  It did not
survive it's first outing.  While being transported in my trunk, the
LCD screen was cracked.  According to the Apple dealership, the Power-
Book needs to be returned to Apple for repair.  The cost to fix this
not yet 1 month old PowerBook is $1,400 plus labor!

I don't know why the PowerBook is so fragile, but the portable isn't.
It could be that:

   1).  The Portable comes with a case which offers some decent protection
	and the PowerBook requires you to roll your own.  (I used my own
	carry case, but it was not rigid).

   2).  The Portable is has a much better frame and internal casing
	system.

At any rate, you might want to take a lession from my $1,400 mistake.
Take real care in how you transport the PowerBooks!  Unless you have
a solid case, you probably should pretend it's a baby and carry it in
your arms!

I must add that this is NOT a flame at Apple.  My carelessness, not
Apple, is to blame for the cracked LCD screen.  Just keep in mind the
fact that it is cheaper to replace the Hard Drive in the PowerBook
(and possibly even the motherboard!) than it is to replace the 170's
active matrix LCD screen.


Jeff Fritz
West Virginia University

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:03:01 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@proponent.com>
Subject: QuicKeys 2.1.2a problem

There is an incompatibility between QuicKeys 2.1.2a (CEToolbox 1.6.5) and
Solarian II 1.04.

I am running a IIfx with System 6.0.5.

Solarian II uses the API to turn off QuicKeys which appears to turn off all of
QuicKeys except for its processing of Command-Q.

Before installing the QuicKeys upgrade from 2.0.1 I could use
Command-Option-.
to disable Command-Q processing by QuicKeys and then use Command-Q to quit
Solarian II.

With the current version of QuicKeys, Command-Option-. doesn't appear to
disable
the Command-Q processing by QuicKeys and I can't exit Solarian II and must
shut
down the machine to exit the program.

What is going on?  Is there a fix available?

Thanks.

Monty

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Date: 19 Aug 1992 09:05:07 +0100 (MET)
From: HANS KROEGER <KROEGER@dornier.de>
Subject: QUILL where to find? (Q)

Trying to find the da "QUILL". It's a DA that reads text, ttro, Word,
MacWrite, WriteNow, Nisus, and perhaps others.....
Alex McCormick pointed me to this da assuming it was still at sumex-aim,
but it isn't.
Thanks for your help!!

Hans Kroeger

kroeger@fn.dornier.de
kroeger@foca.dnet.nasa.gov

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:07:04 GMT
From: gburges@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Garry Burgess)
Subject: Removing Password from WP file

Hi People,

I lost a file, due to a disk error, and I was able to recover the file
with Norton Disk Utilities, but now the Word Perfect file asks for a
password, even though the original file wasn't password protected.

Does anyone know how to clear out the gibberish that must have been
inserted into this password field?

Garry

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:42:25 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Security Concepts #

In Regards to your letter <199208182354.AA02868@nwnexus.wa.com>:
> Can anyone give me what the correct telephone number for Security Concepts?

Try:  310/576-6279

I was just talking to Neil Murphy there and he was wondering why they
had gotten very few calls from that article (which he hadn't
seen at the time).

cheers ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 18:32:54 EDT
From: zinger6@aol.com
Subject: SyQuest-ion

I recently purchased a SyQuest drive and I've been more than happy with it
(folks:  MacConnection had the best prices AND it comes bundled with a
cartridge and either Norton 2.0 or Autodoubler!).

Two questions though:

- after formatting it, I proceeded to put some software on it.  My system
(7.0.1*) remains on the internal drive and I have a 40 M internal, 105 M
external, and the 88 M SyQuest.  Suddenly, several days later, upon powering
up, the computer goes into an endless loop of clearing the screen, checking
all hard drives (for the system?) and then it cycles again.  I can only boot
up when I eject the SyQuest and re-insert it after I get the startup screen
>From the internal drive.  Why?  (Norton 2.0 and DiskFix say there is nothing
wrong).  How can I fix this?

- Is there a way to put the virtual memory on a SyQuest?  I know, I know, I
am aware of the implications of this, but there must be a hack or something
for it.  (Of course, if question 1 goes unanswered, then question 2 is moot.)

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Ken Linger
linger@drystone.attmail.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:37 CST
From: <SWAECHTER%UTMEM1.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: Telephone and Mac

I need some advice on positioning a telephone close to the computer.  I know
that I've heard/read that telephones and computers generally don't mix.  But,
this phone does not have a ringer; rather, it makes that funny electronic
warble.  As far as proximity to the computer is concerned, it is about 12"
from
the CPU.  Any thoughts/cautions/advice?  Thanks.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
swaechter@utmem2.utmem.edu (internet)

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:33:47 -0400
From: rarcuri@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Subject: Terminator 2 - yet another message

Hello everyone,

Just a quick note to clarify (perhaps muddle?) the ongoing discussion of
Terminator 2 special effects.

> According to the things I have seen and read, the nuclear bomb effects were
> done mostly with minatures.

According to an article in MacWeek I read several months ago, the nuclear
holocaust scene was designed and rendered on a Mac IIfx with 32 megabytes
of RAM and some very expensive software.  The part I'm referring to is when
the shock wave radiates out over the city and the buildings burn and fly
apart.

- Russ Arcuri
- rarcuri@hamilton.edu

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Date: 18 Aug 92 20:04:15 EDT
From: David.M.Tillinghast@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: THINK Reference 2.0?

Hey, does anyone know as if Symantec plans on updating its THINK Reference
1.0?

I just bought it, so apparently  that's the most recent version. But I don't
think it even includes stuff from Volume VI of Inside Macintosh.

-Tig
(tig.tillinghast@dartmouth.edu), 72521,1557 at CompuServe and (603) 646-5158
for people with voices.

PS: THINK Reference is a reference tool used by programmers to look up
certain routines Apple built into the ROMs and explains how to go about
implementing them.

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:13:47 -0400
From: "Alan D. Danziger" <aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: typing on the desktop? what does it do?

In comp.sys.mac.digest, Steve Portigal wrote:

>While sitting idly one Friday afternoon at work, I noticed that while
>looking at my desktop (hard disk, trash, and one application) typing various
>keys would select different items. It seems that certain keys are associated
>with certain objects (based on the order of the character set), but this
>is not related to the first letter of the object.

>What *IS* going on here, anyway?

In System 7, you can select files (one at a time) by typing their
name.  If you type, say, a D and there are no files in the active
window (the Desktop counts as an active window) starting with D, the
Finder will look for filenames starting with E, F, G, etc. and hilight
the first one it finds.

Tab will do something similar...  I'm not sure what.

	-=Alan

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Date: 18 Aug 92 20:01:57 EDT
From: David.M.Tillinghast@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: Weird bug in System 7

I just figured out why my computer kept crashing horribly (defined as a crash
that requires a system re-install).

Sometimes when printing certain documents, the computer would scream and
flail into the figurative trash. I would have to reinstall the system from my
Syquest backup.

And there's the rub.

See, the syquest backup of my system contained the very problem that killed
my system many a time.

Apparently, the system somehow confused itself into thinking that a few of
the fonts installed within itself had, for some reason, grown to humungous
sizes like 127 megabytes and such. The system still took up only a few
megabytes, yet when you opened it up and looked at the list of fonts, several
had ludicrously large size listings.

I reinstalled the system from the disks Apple provided me, and the situation
cleared up at once.

BUT I have no idea why the system first tricked itself into believing these
silly little fonts were three times the size of my hard drive.

Any ideas?

-Tig
(tig.tillinghast@dartmouth.edu), 72521,1557 at CompuServe and (603) 646-5158
for people with voices.

PS: I'm running sys 7.0.1 with TUNA 1.1.1 and a whole bunch of common INITs.

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:34:54 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: What is Templa Graphica? (Q)

The Mac end of the Small Computer Book Club is offering this month
a book/software package called "Templa Graphica" by Sharam Hekmatpour.
It's described as a "generic CAD program". Anybody know anything about
it?

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:39 CDT
From: "William M. Porter" <WMPORTER@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Subject: WordPerfect 2.1 vs. MS Word 5?

I attended a mini-convention here in Houston today, at Apple's local
headquarters. Quite a few vendors were there, displaying their products. I got
a demo -- twenty or twenty-five minutes, with lots of questions on my part --
of WordPerfect for the Mac, ver. 2.1. I'd looked at WP 1, when it was first
released, and thought it a pretty sorry product. But I was very impressed by
2.1. In particular, there were a couple features in WP 2.1 that are lacking in
MS Word 5 and sorely missed by me: for example, WP 2.1 allows you to create
BOTH footnotes & endnotes in the same document, to autonumber
graphics/figures,
and a few similar things. Graphics support seems superior to Word's. I've been
a Word user since ver. 1.05 and have been an avid fan for years, but now I'm
thinking about making a change. I'd love to receive e-mail from any users of
WordPerfect who could give me an honest assessment of the program. Is it
fast?
(I've got an LC II with 8Mb RAM.) What do you like most and least about it? If
the responses are interesting enough, I'll summarize and post them here.

TIA.

William Porter / University of Houston

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:05:16 +0000
From: A.DEmanuele@manchester-computing-centre.ac.uk
Subject: XferIt author

Further to the note in V10 #198, I also have sent money to the author of
XferIt and not received a reply.

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 9:19:30 EDT
From: msw2@cit.hmc.psu.edu (Marilyn S. Webb)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92
From: Marilyn S. Webb <mwebb@cit.hmc.psu.edu>
Subject: [Q] H-P DeskJet 500 with Macintosh

I am interested in purchasing an H-P DeskJet 500 for use with a Macintosh
(probably a IIci) and also an IBM compatible.  I was told by our computer
order center rep. that in order to use the DeskJet with a Macintosh, I
would need MacPrint and a LOT of patience.  Is there anyone out there who
is using this printer successfully with a Mac and is willing to give me
some tips?

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:54:52 CDT
From: wadew@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU (Wade Williams)

>The main problem is the set-up.  I'm confident that the tn3270 software is
>configured correctly; I'm using it right now to type to you all.  The problem
>is, when I Shut Down and power off the SE, it won't  work the next time that
I
>turn it on.

>-The current setting in the Network control panel is for "LocalTalk
>built-In".
>This is the setting that works when it works.

Use the System 7 installer to install EtherTalk.  That's what the network
control panel should be set on.

>-The current connection option in the MacTCP control panel is "Ethernet
>Built-In". Selecting "LocalTalk" doesn't work, even when the Network setting
>is set as above.

There should be a setting in MacTCP just called "Ethernet" (it has a little
MacTCP-type icon) that's what it should be set to.

>What is an error -4101?  I recieved it while trying to print to a LaserWriter
>II NT from this same Mac SE from BBEdit 2.1.2 and had to do a force quit to
>get back in action.  I have not yet reloaded another copy of BBEdit and plan
>to do so, but I don't get this error all of the time.  I originally thought
it
>had to do with memory, but upping the allocation to BBEdit didn't help (nor
>did running it by itself).  I have not exhausted all possibilities here yet,
>but the meaning of this error may point me in the right direction.

Error -4101 is printer not found.  Either it wasn't selected in the Chooser
properly (which would happen if you're constantly changing your network
connection), or you're having bigger network problems.

Incidentally, unless you have a router somewhere, once your boss gets that
Ethernet card working, he/she won't be able to print to that LocalTalk
Laserwriter without switching back and forth in the Network control panel
(a major pain).

Wade Williams
Academic Computing, Auburn University
wadew@mail.auburn.edu

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:42:18 EDT
From: Clinton Collins <BEBRF14%NERVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

Dear Collective Mac Net Mind,

The general thread of the Mac Plus and System 7 issue is "don't do it"
or "If you do it ditch PrintMonitor now, hurry!".  If you want to
become a hero, switch your plus users back to System 6 and they will
rave about the "great new speed".  I guess I have to lose the idea that
just because I like tons of features and options and "productivity
utilities" all my users will too.  I was shocked to learn that none of
them were using any of the "cool System 7 stuff" I had taught them. All
they wanted to do was open worksheets, edit them, and print them just
as fast and as trouble free as possible.  System 6 seems to work a lot
better for this narrow range of activities.  When asked if they wanted
System 7 with all the "cool new stuff" and no PrintMonitor or System
6 with the PrintMonitor, they voted unanimously for System 6 and
PrintMonitor.  Can you believe it? :}
Thanks to all who replied, Clinton Collins, University of Florida
bebrf14@nervm

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