From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:27:55 GMT

I'll tack on soc.culture.china to the 'Newsgroups:' line, as this discussion 
has bearing on SCC topics.  

In article <1992Aug29.150142.16800@r-node.gts.org> yung@r-node.gts.org 
(Amos Yung) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.235023.11962@engage.pko.dec.com> 
>li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>>
>>Yes, not every non-communism country has been doing well but every communism 
>>country has been doing poorly. Right now only 4 communism countries remain 
>>on this earth.
>>

>Four communists coutries??? I can think of four just right from the top
>of my head: China, North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba. I am sure there are more
>in Africa.

Nope.  Though, sadly, a number are socialist, with public sectors of their 
economies which are _entirely_ too large for deveoping nations to afford.  

>>>But most likely, China would just have been a colony of US if CCP
>>                                               ????????????
>>>have not taken over the power. 
>>
>>Wasn't the time CCP called Soviet Union "Our big brother" and Chinese 
>>children called Stalin "Grandpa Stalin". Colony of Soviet Union? 
>>
>>When Taiwan was building up her economy and CCP was busy for culture 
>>revolution.
>>
>>Today people in Taiwan making money at least 15 times more than people in 
>>Mainland China. And CCP still scratches her head to figure out what is her 
>>surname should be? capitalism or socialism. Taiwan is pushing for political 
>>reform and CCP is pushing for political repression and HongKong people are 
>>filling out immigration form.
>>
>>Certainly, not everything so negative about Mainland China. Mainland did 
>>better than their "big brother" in economy

>For the moment, yes. But Russia is moving full force toward a free market
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>economy
 ^^^^^^^

I can't BELIEVE I'm reading this !!  Look, the Russian people have dumped 
their former Communist masters.  What they have NOT yet done is dump 
their bureaucracy.  Different branches of it act like semi-autonomous 
states, and control from the center is weak.  And _that_ is what has 
slowed the pace of economic reform in Russia.  

>        while Chinese is still struggling with the question of "Dogma and
>butter". If there is no fundamental changes, I say in a decade China will
>once AGAIN be left behind.

Don't you believe it !  It will take fundamental changes to _prevent_ 
economic growth in China !  Outside the hardline faction of the CCP (an 
ever-shrinking crowd), Communists are an endangered species in China 
today.  Maybe China should create special reserves where Communists would 
be protected, so future generations of Chinese would know what they 
looked like.  :-) :-)  Once Deng Xiao Ping made it clear that he spelled 
'socialism with Chinese characteristics' c-a-p-i-t-a-l-i-s-m, the pin was 
out of the grenade for real.  

> and is gradually moving towards 
>>market economy which is very encouraging news.
>>

>Until the next political movement, that is.

Its going to take a _MIRACLE_ for the hardline faction of the CCP to gain 
more than a marginal say in Chinese affairs.  And every year of sustained 
economic growth will further marginalize them.  

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