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From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Parents
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:08:28 GMT

This is really a follow-up to all the postings about Daniel's (is that
right?) letter from his father.

I really haven't had that much trouble with my father understanding.  In
fact, he is usually more comfortable talking to me about my sexuality than
I am.  I am, however, getting the impression that he thinks it's a phase. 
He tells me that I should not rule out the possibility of going out with
guys because he says that I could have a fun experience.  I try to tell
him that I am not interested in going out with guys, and I really don't
want to lead some poor guy on.  Overall, he is very accepting, though.  He
always wants to know about who I am seeing.  He says that it doesn't
really matter to him as long as I'm happy and I don't get hurt.

My mother, on the other hand, doesn't really know.  She approached (or
perhaps accosted) me about it once, so I guess she has some idea, but I
really don't feel that I can talk to her about it.  (Background info:  My
parents were divorced when I was 8 months old.  I've always lived with my
dad, and I only visited my mom once a month, so I don't know her very well.)



season, wondering if she should have that scary little chat with her mother




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From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Advice sought on living in UK
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:51:18 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov21.051607.176@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Isn't it a fair statement to say that the terms "nice,"
>"weather," and "Britain" can only be combined accurately
>about 20% of the time, despite seasonal variations, winter
>being the most drear?

You said it buster.  The official BBC parlayance is "Sunny Intervals."
As in "The weather today in London has been forcast to be partly
cloudy with sunny intervals in the afternoon."



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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Homos at Depth
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:05:33 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.003240.21579@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:

|> BTW, when I stopped by the NYC Lesbian and Gay Community Center over
|> the weekend, I saw a SCUBA group listed in the building's schedule. 
|> Do you know about them?

I do know.  Since the Center is right near my apartment, I
should be able to check it out.

Thanks
-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1992Nov13.205736.9819@wam.umd.edu>
	<RHAYDEN.92Nov14170015@hqsun2.oracle.com>
	<1992Nov15.152054.16788@umr.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:45:09 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov15.152054.16788@umr.edu> ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:

   Perhaps a better solution is to lay off everyone and move your business
   to another location that wouldn't have residents who boycott your 
   store because you happen to have an employee who is gay.  If enough
   people did this, the economy in that region would begin to fail and
   people would wonder why.

   If you have problems with *this* method, please note it is similar
   to a boycott of Colorado.  Why stay and fight when you can punish them
   *more* by running away?

Because the point of staying and fighting and the point of a boycott
are the same:  We're here, we're not going away, and we're going to do
whatever we can to change this place for the better.

It's understandably tempting to move away from the heat (listen to me
talk -- I live in San Francisco, not exactly Oregon, but anyway...),
and I can't blame people who follow the temptation (I don't know if I
could have stayed in Oregon over the past year), but it's the people
who stay and fight who make the difference.  Blacks were often told,
"Why don't you just go somewhere else?"  Well, where we live is our
home.  And we can't keep running.  At some point Somewhere Else
becomes Here...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:55:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
) richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) wrote:
) > Surly you jest!  Like all of us, Steve, he's a pussycat in person.  If
) > anything, it is I who shoulders the blame for inflaming the waiter.

) Oh, my *HEAVENS!!!*  *WHAT!* are you trying to do to my reputation,
) snookums!??  You take that back THIS INSTANT!  A pussycat?  A pussycat
) you say?  

) I most certainly am *not* a pussycat!  Hiss!  Hiss!  Snit! Smack!  

Perhaps, Richard, you should change Matty the kitty's litter
box more often.  That might improve his disposition.  If it
doesn't, try declawing.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:14:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics

In article <1992Nov18.175112.18229@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-171192134108@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
> (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> >You are in error.  Liberalism follows a totalitarian paradigm, but it
> >is not fascism.  Both are instances of the same class, which has no
> >particular name.  They invovle the glorification of _Law_, and the
> >compulsion of individual choice to 'acceptable' behavior, as dictated by
> >_Law_.  
> 
> This sounds like a pretty good description of the conservative point of
> view to me.

If you mean my blurb was of the conservative point of view, perhaps 
you are correct.  If you mean the paragraph describes the conservative
point of view, you are almost correct.  

'Conservatives' favor a strong enforcement of laws by government.
That much is true.  Conservatives generally prefer fewer laws to more,
however.  Murder, rape, theft, arson - such are the things conservatives
like to punish through legal action.  I suspect you are trying to
cast the 'conservative' and 'fundamentalist' positions as one
in the same.  This, however, is more a recent phenomena than 
a historical one.  In the United States, 'conservatives' have often
been of the 'less government' persuasion.

Now, fundamentalists are as stark raving looney as the liberals 
and fascists...  Mroe government, more _Law_ (and preferably
religious law, at that).  Instead of the glorification of State,
or the glorification of some abstract boobery (the Liberals would
be a lot more dangerous if they didn't have their heads so far
up their butts on exactly what it is they represent...), the
fundamentalists are in for the glorification of Christ (theirs).

*X*
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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j. a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:06:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.195330.10398@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:
>   I read an article the other day in the Boulder Daily Camera that explained
>how the NATIONAL family values people are moving (or have moved) their base
>of operations to Colorado Springs, CO. What a coincidence that the sponsors
>of amendment 2 are based in C Springs as well!
>   So all those who are advocating a total boycott on Colorado, especially
>having seen that Boulder, Denver, and just about every other major population
>center voted it down, should consider that its people from OTHER parts of
>the country that got the darn thing passed here, not the locals.
>
>   Don't punish me for something someone else from somewhere else did.
>
>-Jason
>

 There was an article in the Denver Post yesterday about how many
religious groups have moved into Colorado Springs in the last 12 years.
Something like 19. Colo Spgs actively recurited them to relocate.
I have this sinking feeling that admendment 2 is only the _first_
thing that we will see originating out of Colo Spgs. Some republican from
Colo Spgs in the legislature just announced that this is his last term, he's
going to run for governer. I don't know alot about him but I would not
be suprised if a part of his campaign were to center around 
"conservative religious values".

Admendment 2 failed in the Denver metro area. It passed in the rural 
areas and southern areas by a big margin. You can't quite say that 
the locals didn't pass it. I doubt that the areas (excluding the Springs)
where admendment 2 passed have large numbers of people from elsewhere.
Most migration into Colorado is into the front range area. They were
the people who voted it down. My point being that a lot of small
agricultural communities voted for it and there weren't enough votes
in the large metro or ski areas to compensate.   

Intolerance is intolerance and not a christian value. 
I tolerate the religious right, and they should have to tolerate 
other peoples divergent beliefs(including mine).
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:12:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.053627.25536@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In article <1e9nj1INN4ep@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> [Patrick Stewart]
> >I was at a cocktail party he attended once (name- drop, name-drop,
> >name-drop) and his RAOUNDED TAONES are even worse in person.
>
> WHAT?! How dare you insult Patrick Stewart you.. you.. velveeta eater.

Well!  And I wasn't *insulting* him, really.  (He *is* awfully
sexy in person.)  I was just pointing out his curiously affected
speech.  (Note to Rod: If you think Jessye Norman's accent is
bad, you should listen to Leontyne Price sometimes.  And not just
her affected accent -- her vocabulary is a scream.  I heard her 
once say that the role of Desdemona was not appropriate for someone 
of her "hue".)

Besides, dear, I wouldn't dream of putting that orange slime
into my mouth.

> He's more of an icon than Marlene Dietrich and Errol Flynn, put together!

Someone, quick!  Take Nelson in hand and give him an education!

> I think I would swoon dead away, were I at a cocktail party with
> Patrick Stewart. How do you do it?

I only did it once, but in any case, he was so full of himself that 
it turned me off completely.

Arne
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jack's Racist Nonsense (was Re: Social Democracy)
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Nov7.112741.13654@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>About all I can manage is to be a kind of cheerleader and
>amateur historian.  I don't know if it does any good at all,
>apart from the fact that once in a while people tell me it
>does.  Now and then somebody I find pretty hateful denounces
>me, which signals at least a little success, I guess.

That's all that anybody can do.  (Truncheons and teargas may make
for warm memories of `being there', but we don't have the
civil rights fights or the no-on-Viet-Nam fights to  do any more.)

We can't leave it to the not-amateur historians -- they are 
all writing for other historians, and very rarely do they
get to touch the popular media.  And they popular media is
interested in myth-making, not history.

>
>-- 
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
><>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>


-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    *more than* four times.

    (this news courtesy Phil Paxton ipwp400@indycms.bitnet)

Laura Creighton 
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Today's NY Times
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.140534.12780@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) 
writes:

>That was about the third or fourth day running where I'd been aware
>that Rod couldn't possibly keep up with the volume.  It's not
>_always_ like that, but it's become more like that recently.

And from this Sunday's New York Times, a wonderful editorial (not op-ed, 
this is the Times speaking) called "Gay Soldiers Cut the Mustard Abroad."   
I'm not typing the whole thing in (I'm supposed to be working now) but I'll 
lift some good paragraphs:
   
   A report by the General Accounting Office issued in June found that
   Austria, Denmark, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway,
   Spain and Sweden all allow homosexuals to serve in the armed forces
   without restriction.
          *        *        *
   Critics minimize these examples because not one of the nations involved is
   a military power.  Still, all military forces, no matter how small, face
   the same privacy issues.  And it is hard to dismiss two larger 
   examples, France and Israel.
          *        *         *

   the Israeli Army, among the most effective fighting forces in the world, 
   requires military service of all able-bodied citizens, including 
   homosexuals.  Israeli spokesmen say there is no discrimination against
   gay soldiers.  Homosexuals are not denied promotion because of their
   sexual orientation; they are allowed to become career soldiers; they
   serve in even the most elite fighting units, on citical frontiers.
   
   Some homophobic Israeli  commanders are thought to harass homosexuals
   or deny them promotions.  Many gay Israeli soldiers, in turn, seek 
   transfers to bases where they can work during the day and sleep at 
   home.  But some commanders so value their gay soldiers that they try 
   to block such transfers.

   Each nation must judge how best to reconcile its own cultural attitudes
   with fairness to homosexual citizens.  The lesson from abroad is that, 
   with good will and effort, America can do it to.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Emily Rizzo

   "My mother made me a homosexual" (If I got her the wool, will she make 
me one too?).
       -- Laurence Tate from _A Member of the Family_ ed. John Preston 

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:20 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu>, aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> In article <BxoBC2.Is5@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
|> >
|> >This is a (rather lame) argument in favor of discrimination in general, but it
|> >does not give me a clue as to why one should be constitutionally guaranteed the
|> >right to discriminate against gays, but not against say blacks.  
|> 
|> Just because some people do not think that being Gay is the same 
|> thing as being black?
|> I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
|> some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.

I know people who think that all people are from south of the
US border are filthy cockroaches come to steal jobs and ruin
our country.  

|> For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
|> an inborn thing but a disorder.

For some people being latino is both an inborn thing and
a disorder.

|> If some of our clients would have had a problem with Gays, the company
|> would certainly have not send a Gay person to do the job at that particular
|> place.

So do they send you out to companies where they don't
like hispanics?

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.090620.12617@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
> ->|> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.
> ->
> ->Some of us think he's both.
> 
> i was wondering about this ... i didn't think these were mutually
> exclusive.

  Heh. Just put a sock in their mouth as you're fucking their 
lights out?
-- 

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Religion in UK and US
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:22:16 GMT

In article <cieux@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>>                                         Britain   US
>>%age who believe in:
>...
>>Life after death                            55     78
>>Heaven                                      54     86
>
>Actually, I am quite ignorant of religious beliefs outside the
>mainstream Catholicism in which I was brought up.  Would religious
>Jews, for instance, believe in Heaven but not life after death?

There's an old saying: "Two Jews, three opinions". But as far as
traditional Talmudic/Pharisaic Judaism goes, we believe in both
"heaven" (a nice place for dead people) and life after death, for
both Jews and goyim. We don't believe in eternal punishment (i.e.
Hell); the worst that can happen is you would be extinguished,
ceasing to exist after death (which only happens for the
absolutely, irredeemably evil).  We believe in "purgatory" (a
temporary punishment after death), in a place generally known as
"Gehinnom" (i.e. "New Jersey" (ob.  flamebait)). We keep an open
mind about reincarnation. All of the above subject to
qualifications, of course. To hear all of the above disputed,
tune in to soc.culture.jewish.

And no, I don't know why this is on soc.motss. But hey, what's a
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
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From: ldragon@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (kati norris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:41:05 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

> In article <1992Nov17.142003.102979@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
> >In a recent episode, Jean Luc was transformed into a 12/13 yearold by a
> >transporter malfunction.  I found it fascinating that he spoke with an
> >absolutely FLAWLESS British public school accent.  Where did this come from?
> >I thought he was a French fellow, raised in the wine country.
> 
> Picard's body was changed, but his mind was not. Since Picard is
> French, he presumably learned English with an English accent
> (since England is closer than the US). Ideally, they would've
> found a kid who could do Stewart's "English-Shakespearean-Actor-
> Doing-a-French-Guy-Speaking-English-Flawlessly" accent, but that
> was too much to hope for, so they just settled for some JV Etonian.
> 
> >Does this mean that in the future we have succeeded and finally eliminated
> >French as a language!?!?!?
> 
> We can always hope...
> -- 
> 
> "We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
>                 --Melinda Shore

Maybe the fact that they used Nimoy's kid for the part had something to 
do with it.


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From: skinner@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:42:58 GMT

ltp@uswest.com (Halfman-Halfmachine) writes:

>It seems to me that if the Christian fund-
>amentalists, Mormans, or whoever, want to play the political game, and
>have the ability to propose changes to the state constitution, then
>they should also pay taxes like everyone else.

Though I am not an expert, it is my understanding that the tax laws
already cover this situation to some extent.  To oversimplify: a
tax-exempt organization cannot lobby, though it can participate in
education on the issues.  For instance, I am loosely affiliated with a
church organization that cannot claim tax-exempt status because it
lobbies Congress.

Some folks have already brought suit against Pat Robertson's
organization under such laws (source: Pat Robertson's "700 Club").
I've not heard the outcome.  It will probably take the wheels of
justice a few years to turn.

> Isn't the Catholic
>church one of the biggest money making organizations in the world?
>It would be a sizable chunk of money fed directly into federal and
>state coffers if religous organizations like those behind CFV had to 
>pay Uncle Sam, state and local taxes.

It would indeed.  Of course, there are always those nasty questions
about how taxing churches would affect the separation of church and
state...
--
Gregg Skinner       I do not speak for any organization.

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