HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:04:30 ECT
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria

watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:

> jmatrow@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (John Matrow) writes:
[re Novell acqusition of USL]
> I'm wondering if other people could tell me what the implications
> of this are.

Hmmm... perhaps comp.sys.novell.unix.* hierarchies?  :-)

> Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against Windows NT?

Now that *is* an interesting question.  Certainly, USL have been taking
NT's threat very seriously.  Microsquishy have a lot of marketing and
distributing muscle, but the market will determine the ultimate winner.

The interesting questions for me are:

1.  Will Novell try to influence USL's development directions?

2.  What will happen to the legal battle with BSD[I]?

3.  What does Novell mean when they talk (in an internal message that
leaked from novell.com) about "purifying" UNIX????

> A bigger question than these anomalies though is what are the
> implications for Unix? How important is USL?

I'm sure you'll get different answers from BSD and OSF.

--
paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Home Office in Vienna, Austria
From: motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: sV3.1 useability
Date: 1 Jan 1993 22:20:27 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu
Summary: I have a new copy of sV3.1


Is SV3.1 for 386/486-based machines still 'interesting,'
(useful, viable, etc.) given that BSD for similar hardware is
free for the FTPing?  I picked up an new old copy including the
development set (all still shrink-wrapped) for what at the
time seemd like a good price, but I haven't got around to doing
anything with it.  Mostly because I'm still getting lots of use
from an old but loaded 3b1, and don't even have a 386 box yet.

What machines, esp. newer machines, will it run on?  Does it
know about, e.g., ide drives?  

Should I just leave it shrink-wrapped and hope that some day it
will become a collectible?  ("I'll trade 'ya a 'Death of
Superman,' a couple of early DC Batman's, and some mid 60's Pez
containers for that virgin SV3.1...")

thanks,
-- 
Howard E. Motteler,  motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell
From: rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:07:25 GMT


pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore) writes:

>What is this man talking about! UNIX has a lot of things going for it but
>technical superiority isn't one of them.
>UNIX was specifically written not to be very clever. I can only assume that
>he has never seen a 'proper' operating system.

What exactly is your idea of a 'proper' operating system, CP/M, MS-DOS, or
some other crippled OS?  You failed to mention one.  No OS I've seen from the
micro to mainframe level has the elegance and power that UNIX has.  Opinion,
yes, but there are some technical reasons for my stance.  If I didn't think
it was a waste of time, I'd ask for some of yours.

I've got my asbestos suit on so if you want to exchange flames go for it, but
spare the rest of the readers and just e-mail 'em to me.  I've already removed
this message from misc.invest so they don't get anymore of this rapidly 
degenerating thread.

Happy Holidays!

--Randy--

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for going on believing as we already do."
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From: marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 24 Dec 1992 23:13:16 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1992Dec23.170951.28195@xenitec.on.ca> merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>geez, people who care about the quality and ethics of those in their industry.
>
>that is a problem.

This seems like a good time to ask this one....

I've been on th net for a number of years now, and have yet to see articles
explaining all about the evil Mr. Bill's actions wrt 
1- BASIC  and
2- The way MS-DOS was gotten/made/whatever.

No I've heard verbal stories of such, but does someone havve any material 
worthy of actually POSTING?

-- 
Marc Rassbach    marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: mtcusa@tigger.jvnc.net (Multilingual Technogies Corporation)
Subject: 3b/400 speedups
Originator: mtcusa@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:21:56 GMT

Rumors abound of ways to get a 3b/400 to move faster, things like
faster clocks, etc.

The FAQ on the usenet archive doesn't say anything about this.

Any ideas?

GB - mtcusa@tigger.jvnc.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re)
Subject: GCC for the 3B2 - assembly problems (was: GCC)
Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA
Organization: MegaByte Digital Communications
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:56:05 GMT

I've already posted this, but I suspect I hung up too fast and
the news poster didn't complete the posting.  Apologies if it
appears a second time...

--------

Firstly, thanks to Greg Gulik (I hope I got the spelling right), for
the remarkable 3b2 binaries for GCC (2.3.2).

I _do_ however have a mild problem: the assembler finds many of the
generated code unpalatable (mostly invalid instructions).  I guess
that I have a somewhat dated assembler or that I need to instruct
GCC to generate code with appropriate limitations for the 3B2/300
I am running it on (Sys V r3.1).

I'm looking for suggestions that will _not_ reduce the remaining
1.8MByte of disk space even further (please?!).

Also, I'd be keen to establish the purpose of
	/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/3b2/2.3.2/specs
(a MAN page would be great) specially if it will assist with the
above problem.

My thanks to all.

---------

I have since installed GCC 2.3.2 on a Sparcstation I have reasonable
access to, but it's not quite the same...  However, pointers to the
documentation as far as the above 'specs' file go will probably suffice.

Thanks once more.
-- 
Lucio de Re (lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA)
The supernatural does not exist, but it gives me the creeps...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.3.2 on 3B2
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:20:05 GMT


Another note about building GCC 2.3.2.

They seemed to have broken the configuration script because
it thinks the 3B2 supports index()/rindex().

What I ended up doing was everytime the compiler would come
across one of those references, I would edit the source file
and change it to strchr()/strrchr().

Once I did that, things went smoothly.

On another note, I'm working on getting Taylor UUCP 1.04 Gamma
working.  Anybody try that yet?

It's sorta working, but some things are still flaky.

-greg

-- 
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       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Sidebar re BSD (in ``Novell to buy USL'')
Organization: York University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:31:51 GMT

rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:
|USL is EXTREMELY important in the UNIX world as it is the only
|active major development center for UNIX source code.   Berkeley
|(UC Berkeley) was also active in this field, but they are in the
|process of shutting down.  USL supplies the source code base for
|most current versions of *IX.  Those that were based on the Berkeley
|code (which included a lot of USL code, BTW) are converting over to
|the USL code, for the most part.  Most obvious in that category is
|Sun. 

  I keep hearing this quoted, but it ain't really true: it's still a
horse-race.  Sun is heading for SysV, but IBM is headed the other way.
DEC is staying berklazoid, but on the OSF/1 kernel, like IBM.
Variuous other peope are just talking about moving to one camp or the
other.
  SysV has a clear lead in the small (PC-based) commercial systems,
plus some acceptability for mainframers, but is still very far down
the learning curve in the workstation market.  And most of that has
to do with AT&T's allocation of effort, not technical issues.

--dave (I'm not religious) c-b

-- 
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From: dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: GCC for the 3B2 - assembly problems (was: GCC)
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:18:37 GMT
Reply-To: ccpoabt!dan@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Daniel James)
Distribution: na
Organization: CCPOA Benefit Trust Fund

lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re) writes:

>Firstly, thanks to Greg Gulik (I hope I got the spelling right), for
>the remarkable 3b2 binaries for GCC (2.3.2).

I've been hoping to get a copy of this since I took over administering a
3b2/310 over a year ago, but I'd always assumed that rather than try to go
through the hell of porting, I'd wait until the 3b2 gets replaced with
something a little less antique.  At which point, we'd be purchasing a
new compilier anyway.  Now that this has been made available...  Thank you.

HOWEVER...  I don't have the ability to ftp from here.  I've had limited
succes with the ftp server at decwrl.  Even when used in conjunction with
archie, I've often times had to send 3 requests to the server just to find
out which directory a program lives in, and the actual name of the program.

Although Steve recently announced the availability of the binaries on
ucqais.cba.uc.edu, I still have to search the site for the location of the
files, as well as the file name.  Very time consuming and overburdening for
the ftp-server.

If anyone could point me to the exact path at ucqais.cba.uc.edu where the
gcc binaries live I'd be most appreciative.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
From: jaorans@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Jeff Oransky)
Subject: Re: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:55:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.075753.20994@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes:
>>But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
>>gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.
>>Thus my earnings are tax-deferred without even having an IRA.
>>
>I am not sure this is correct! Even if you don't receive any
>distributions in hand, you will have to account for it in
>the capital gains schedule. Second opinion, anyone?
>
You are right, this is not a true statement.  All dividends and capital
gains that a mutual fund distributes, even if they are automatically
reinvested, are taxable as income and must be reported on schedule B.


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From: HOUSER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Inherited a 3b2, core disks won't boot
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:37:09 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I recently inherited a 3b2, when I boot, life is grand until I get
to the part where 'console login:' is supposed to appear. Basically
it dont appear, tha machine hangs. I've tried booting from the Essential
Utilites disk 1, and the floppy key, neither one seems to want to boot.

My question is, Is there a way to get a bootable disk to try and ans
determine if my floppy drive is dead?

I have been getting NVRAM sanity failres because the battery was dead,
I replaced the battery, but still get the errors. I read through the
FAQ, but got very little help in there. Perhaps someone has a better
idea on what is happening. I have not been able to get into firmware
mode either, most likely due to the NVRAM failure?

Thanks in advance for any help
Stephen Houser
(houser@usm.maine.edu)
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From: mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mike Coughlin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Wanted: 80-120 Mb MFM HH drive for AT&T Unix PC
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:10:32 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec26.022538.23243@yenta.alb.nm.us> dt@yenta.alb.nm.us (David B. Thomas) writes:
> The WD2010 is completely compatible -- just plug-n-play.
>
   The WD2010 is NOT completely compatable with the WD1010 hard disk
controller chip. There are some Unix PC's that can't use it. The main
circuit board had to be modified by the factory to use the 2010 and
early versions of the Unix PC can't even have this modification done.
See the DRUN patch discussion in the FAQ for details.
   But with a little luck, switching the disk controller will work.

-- 
   Michael Coughlin             mikc@gnu.ai.mit.edu  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
From: jim@stargate.helios.nd.edu (Jim McCusker)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:12:43 GMT

> And the prices will not come down until UNIX makes it to Jow Blow's
desktop.  Catch-22.

 Great words of wisdom from AT&T. (A company that is staking alot behind
the future success of Unix)   If we'd get off our high horses and do some
real solution finding maybe Unix might stand a chance.  But the problem
seems to be that Unix will be religated to the 'elite' brainiacs of the
industry who don't realize nor remember what it is like to be a newcomer
to the computer.   .:.  OS's like Windows NT regardless of how much this
elite class snubs it, will ultimatly win out, because the 'elite' are the
minority!   

  (Ok.. I'm getting off my soapbox now!  ;-)

          -- Jim

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                                     Jim McCusker
                                     jim@stargate.ece.nd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: jallen@oat2.standard.com (John Allen)
Subject: Re: ethernet on 3b2-600
Organization: Standard Insurance Company - Portland Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:00:01 GMT
Keywords: the sucker wont* install

Try doing a filledt from firmware.  One of our 600's always 
needs this done after we reconfigure hardware.  It appears
to be a known bug with the earliest 600's.  Ours was a betatest 600
.  
 
The machine should not recognize the card until you fully
install its drivers etc.  Try the filledt first.

-- 
===============================================================================
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Network Services                               Telephone: (503) 243-6189
Standard Insurance, Portland Oregon                  FAX: (503) 321-3313
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b/400 speedups
From: rthomas@hakatac.almanac.bc.ca (Robert N Thomas)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:26:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sir HackAlot's Castle BBS, Port Alberni, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Dec29.162910.16424@serveme.chi.il.us> greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) writes:
>My 3B2/400 is currently running at 14 MHz.  To do this, I got a
>14 MHz crystal, and the complete chipset which has been rated
>for 14 MHz.

    I took a few moments to take a look inside my 3B2/400 system...

One chip Labeled...
   WE  32102-W
   McCoy 8528
   MC790A1-001
   1x = 10.00MHz
   2x = 20.00MHz

   This one looks like a wierd oversized clock chip..  It has about 6-12
pins which are soldered directly into a 3-4 multi-layered motherboard..
The de-soldering of this type of beast gived me goosebumps, and I start
having nightmares of the trace on layer 2 not getting connected back up
for some reason..  I am hopeful that this isn't the one I am to remove!!

Another CLOCK CHIP labeled...
    CTS SINGAPORE
    974-6033-0
    20.0 MHz
    8448   887

    This one looks like a typical STD clock chip one might find in an old
IBM AT computer.  I don't have nightmares about de-soldering this one...
Is this the chip you replaced???  If this is the GUY, I might PLOP in a 25MHz
chip, and increase the speed by 20%..

  The rest of the chips are socketed and are the Memory Management Unit (MMU),
WE 23100 CPU, and the Math Accelerator Unit (MAU)..

  WE 32101  N5
  WE 32100  N5
  WE 32106  N5


  Anyways, there's the chips I have in my 400..  Any ideas, or a pointer to
that all important clock chip would be appreciated...

Cheers.....

						---- Robb ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.ncr,comp.unix.admin
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: NCR 3000-series Mailing List?
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:51:56 GMT

The all-knowing, all-seeing Powers That Be around here have decided to
pitch our not-yet-depreciated System 7020 (aka Pyramid MIS-02) in favor
of an NCR 3450 (mainly because with all the pretty admin menus, even
the owner's relatives can run it :-)  ).  Does anybody know of a
mailing list or other info-service for this platform?  Thanks.

-- 
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dcb@tacoma.uucp           |   SCREWIE the TSP CLOWN sez-  |   /   /___  /___/ 
 ..!uunet!tacoma!dcb      | "Zinc & cadmium plating stops |  /   ____/ / 
CompuServe: <DEAD>        |  rust & acts as a lubricant!" |
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From: rshwake@irscscm.UUCP (Ray Shwake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:58:27 GMT
Reply-To: rshwake@irscscm.UUCP (Ray Shwake)
Distribution: na
Organization: R|S|X Technical Services, Washington, DC

In article <BzyHAw.J2y@polstra.uucp> larryba@polstra.uucp (Larry Barello) writes:
>However, as I posted earlier, this move by Novell is basically a symptom
>of the pressure Microsoft is applying to them.  They are desperate.  It
>is my unqualified opinon that this move will destroy Novell just as 
>Borland is suffocating from their purchase of AT.

	These two situations are not the same. Borland is hurting because
	they foolishly paid an incredible amount of money for a trademark
	and an obsolete product line. The announced Intent to Purchase is
	disturbing because Novell's interests are not consistent with those
	of the UN!X community.

>The biggest problem with UNIX is that there are too many varieties.  That
>is plain and simple.  Microsoft has a very compelling argument with 
>windows on all platforms.  If Novell can "purify" unix and force everyone
>to have a compliant interface (and API set) then maybe it has a chance.

	There are far fewer "varieties" of UN!X today than was the case
	years ago. Those that remain pale next to those personal computer
	users currently deal with, given the flavors of MS DOS, non-MS DOS,
	window managers (Desqview, MS Windows), and so on. If UN!X ends up
	purified in Novell's image, I may get out of this business.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: Thanks for the responses
Originator: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:11:28 GMT

Hey everyone,
    I've been on vacation so this is a little dated.  But... I wanted to thank
everyone for the responses I received concerning the archive site.  So, thanks!


Steve........
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University of Cincinnati................College of Business Administration
(Steven.Kilby@UC.EDU or skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu)   PHONE:  (513) 556-7159
Xref: sparky comp.sys.att:2743 comp.sys.3b1:4112
From: dt@yenta.alb.nm.us (David B. Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Wanted: 80-120 Mb MFM HH drive for AT&T Unix PC
Date: 26 Dec 92 02:25:38 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP) writes:

>I'm looking to expand the AT&T Unix PC (7300) that I recently bought
>from 20Mb upwards so I can do things like get a newsfeed.  I'm looking
>for *working* MFM drives in the range of 80-120Mb.  It must be HH.

Out-of-the-box, the unix pc can access a single MFM drive up to 1024 cylinders
and 8 heads (67MB).  If you simply replace the stock WD1010 disk controller
with a WD2010, the 1024 cylinder hardware limit increases to a 2048 cylinder
limit in hardware, and a 1400 cylinder limit in the kernel.  The WD2010 is
completely compatible -- just plug-n-play.

If you need access to more than eight heads and/or more than one drive, you'll
need to do a modification that's been done many different ways.  I gather that
the most direct upgrade path available right now is from ICUS (thanks to
Gil Kloepfer).  I did it the old fashioned way, and believe me you'd rather
go with the new ICUS method... looks much easier!

Still, doing this upgrade is not for the faint of heart (or part!), so you
might want to just swap the WD2010 in and get a nice drive like the miniscribe
3085 (80M: more than 1024 cylinders but only 8 heads).

				little david
-- 
I'm a poet and I'm unaware of it.
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