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From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: Dislike Passport [Encore, Master Tracks Pro]
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:15:19 GMT



Just thought I'd mention my experience with Passport Tech Support.  

I called them to ask about an old AppleII software of theirs that I bought.
It had been discontinued for a while, but all I wanted to know was what
the final version was when it was discontinued, and if I could get my
backup copies of the copy protected software.  The person on the phone pretty
much blew me off saying, 'Well that's really old software and I doubt if any
one here remembers anything about it', etc, etc...

Now I have worked as a tech support professional, and still do in a pinch.
If someone calls our company about an old product, we can give the information.
Even if the phone support person doesn't know the answer, you just go and look
it up somewhere.  It's just good business.  Maybe I expect too much.

Just my 6 cents worth (damn inflation!)

Doug
From: 92marsh@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: GFMUSIC sequencer
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:21:09 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

         Cheers,
           I am attempting to test-out a demo copy of GFMUsic by
         Gerald Felderman.  I am working with release 2.0 (1988).  I
         am wondering if anyone else has tried this software.  What
         does it do well?  I printed-out the enormous manual and I
         have discovered the program is very non-intuitive.  However,
         if it does what I need and does it well, I'll purchase the
         real copy.
           What I need: step editing, quantizing, at least a half
         dozen tracks, good cycling techniques, and clear graphical
         representation (on CGA).  Also, I do need a program that can
         use an irq besides #2.
           If you know anything about this sequencer, or know of
         another sequencer demo/shareware/etc. package, please contact
         me.

         Charles
         92marsh@gw.wmich.edu
Xref: sparky comp.music:2443 rec.music.makers:5694 rec.music.synth:8080
From: latta@con.Berkeley.EDU (Craig R. Latta)
Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: ... MUSENET '92 update ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: con.LATTA.92Apr15161452
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, UC Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: con.berkeley.edu



	Well, I spoke with John Rossi, who had previously expressed
interest in compiling the next USENET music thingie (tm), and he told
me to go ahead with the project if I could commit to it and a high
level of quality.

	I certainly can. I plan to insure that submissions will be
optimally reproduced, and need never leave the digital domain. (Of
course, we can always throw in some third-order harmonic tape
distortion when asked...)


	Zo, several people have volunteered to help with artwork,
liner notes, funding, etc. If you are interested, email me. Current
activity centers on submission formats. Let me know what you think is
reasonable. What I think is reasonable (in current order of
preference):

Audio formats:

	DAT (strong preference for convenience reasons)
	ADAT
	2-track analog cassette tape (dolby B/C, dbx, and nothing fine)
	1/4" analog reel-to-reel tape
	1/2" analog reel-to-reel tape
	VHS
	BETA
	MIDI (using an equipment-abstraction mechanism like General
		MIDI; there is a lot of equipment around here) 

Audio content:

	Five minutes maximum from each submitter, no other requirement.

Text formats (for liner notes):
	
	ASCII
	PostScript
	Frame
	*roff
	TeX
	hardcopy

Graphic formats	(for illustrations):

	GIF, TIFF, X bitmap, etc.
	PostScript
	Frame

while we're at it...

Distribution / Publicity channels:

	USENET
	Internet
	Journals (Computer Music Journal, etc.)
	Monthly Magazines (Electronic Musician, etc.)


	I expect we'll do whatever hashing out is needed and regroup
again on 1 May...


-C

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From: smoliar@hilbert.iss.nus.sg (stephen smoliar)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: FINALE
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:49:27 GMT
Reply-To: smoliar@iss.nus.sg (stephen smoliar)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore

In article <1992Apr15.200041.24402@descartes.waterloo.edu>
rjfennem@descartes.waterloo.edu (Ryan Fennema) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.202359.77877@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
>(Josh Kopper) writes:
>> Does anybody have/know where I can obtain a demo of Finale for the IBM-PC?
>> 
>Try ftp'ing to:
>
>UCSD.EDU   or,
>LOUIE.UDEL.EDU
>
I would like to raise a point of etiquette here.  Both these hosts have very
large directories available for ftp.  Most of us do not have the time to simply
cruise around those directories, and I suspect that most network managers tend
to discourage such cruising.  Specific path names are as important to the guest
as they are to the host and save everyone a lot of wasted time.  If either of
these hosts has the requested code, I, for one, would appreciate a more
specific reference to its location.
-- 
Stephen W. Smoliar; Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore; Heng Mui Keng Terrace
Kent Ridge, SINGAPORE 0511
Internet:  smoliar@iss.nus.sg
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: To: P.s. Lakanen
From: eburk@russian.sfsu.edu (Eli K. Burk)
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:24:09 PDT

I tried to mail you the following, but my mail was returned...

In comp.music article <1992Apr1.101003.15503@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> you wrote:
> Would someone please either post or E-Mail me a list of FTP
> sites for NeXT music apps (you know, all the real cool public

If you learn anything out of the ordinary (i.e. well known ftp addresses)
please post or email me.

thanks
eli
From: cwb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Charles Binko)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: SoundBlaster Pro help
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:24:16 GMT
Reply-To: cwb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Charles Binko)
Organization: UF EE Department

I know that SBPro has been thouroughly covered recently, but I do have some stupid questions to ask.

1) Is there any was to convert .voc files to .mid or .sng files so that they may be run using SPProPlus?

2) Is there any way to sample sounds directly into .mid files using the SBPro

3) In gereal what would be the easiest way to sequence a (looped) sample (i.e a bassline) into a midi sequencer output using SBPro?

Thanks for your help,
Charles Binko
cwb@reef.cis.ufl.edu
EMAIL APPRECIATED
From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (WALLACE VENABLE)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Radio Electronic's MIDI board for PCs
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:25:35 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr7.003249.18726@cs.dal.ca> gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes:

>In a recent issue of RE I found at the library there were plans for a low
>cost (<$50) MIDI card for IBM PCs. My question is, how much software out there
>which is free(ish) will be able to drive it? I have a MIDI capable keyboard,
>and my friend has a couple of really bitching MIDI capable keyboards. He'd
>be interested in using it for some serious music-making (he has a small band
>in the making), while I'd be interested in using it to bypass a need to learn
>manual keyboarding skills. I'm a whiz on computers, but have never enjoyed
>the prospect of learning how to play. I figure MIDI is the perfect thing to
>bridge the gap between me and music! :)

>So, people in the know, is the card they describe good, bad, or average?
>What are some sources for PD/Shareware MIDI software which will work with
>that card for the PC?

>Thanks,
>       PG
>-- 
>============================================================================
>Paul Gauthier / gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca      | "All general statements have
>Phone: (902)462-8217    Fax: (902)420-1675 |  exceptions."
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	I don't know anything about that project, but if I were thinking of 
building a simple interface, I'd consider  the PAiA kit.
	PAiA has a PC interface in kit form for about $50.00, complete, and 
you can add a second channel for $15.00 more.

Contact PAiA Electronics, 3200 Teakwood Lane, Edmond, OK  73013
(405) 340-6300
From: cwb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Charles Binko)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Sound Blaster .voc Files Conversion
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:46:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.35022
Reply-To: cwb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Charles Binko)
Organization: University of Florida, Electrical Engineering

I recently got a Sound Blaster Pro for my 486-33 machine.  I have gotten some excellent samples and would like to use them in Voyetra's SPpro sequencer,   However, the sequencer only accepts .mid files as input, not .voc files which is how SBPro saves my samples.

Does anyone have a conversion program to switch between these two formats?  If not, can anyone help with ideas on how to sample files into .mid format using SBPro?

Thank you,
Charles Binko
cwb@reef.ufl.edu
Univ. of Florida Electrical Engineering
From: mic@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: FINALE
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:06:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, CO

I bought mine from Coda Music, the makers of Finale.  They charged me
less than $20 (I do not remember exactly).  You can find Finale's
number by looking in any Coda Music ad in any music oriented magazine.
I found it in Keyboard.
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 13:39:55 +02
From: Peter Arien <LAAAA43@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: FINALE
 <1992Apr15.200041.24402@descartes.waterloo.edu>
 <1992Apr16.004927.16179@nuscc.nus.sg>

In article <1992Apr16.004927.16179@nuscc.nus.sg>, smoliar@hilbert.iss.nus.sg
(stephen smoliar) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr15.200041.24402@descartes.waterloo.edu>
>rjfennem@descartes.waterloo.edu (Ryan Fennema) writes:
>>Try ftp'ing to:
>>
>>UCSD.EDU   or,
>>LOUIE.UDEL.EDU
>>
>                                    I, for one, would appreciate a more
>specific reference to its location.

pub/midi/software/ibm/FINALEdemo.???

followed my nose and got it in 2 minutes...
just a matter of having a long nose ...     8---)
From: jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Josh Kopper)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: FINALE
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:23:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anybody have/know where I can obtain a demo of Finale for the IBM-PC?

Any info is greatly appreciated!

--Josh

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                      jjk1@lehigh.edu
    
  Computer Engineering, CSEE Department, Lehigh University
                  Student Consultant, LUCC

 U.C. #29, Box 256 - Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
      On-campus : x81402    Off-campus : (215)758-1402

    In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank WHAT?!?"
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Xref: sparky comp.music:2399 rec.music.synth:7876 bit.listserv.emusic-l:688
From: sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu (Mark J. Sarisky)
Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.synth,bit.listserv.emusic-l
Subject: Re: Cadenza for Windows
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:43:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.music
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr11.220900.24361@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> siffert@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Thunder-Thumbs) writes:
>I want to buy Cadenza for Windows, and the price I've seen around
>here is for $300.  Does anyone know where I can get it for cheaper.

Leigh's Computers in NYC sells it for $199. 1-800-321-MIDI.  I don't work
for them, just send them my money from time to time.

>
>Finally, I have heard that one can get a demo for cadenza somewhere
>on ftp, does anyone know where?  Thanks.
>

Compuserve has a rep from Big Noise Software (Cadenza's Publisher), they have
demos archived there.

I really like this program and picked it over Master Tracks and Cakewalk for
the best balance of power/ease of use/support and graphics.  The interface is
really easy if you also use Master Tracks on the Mac.  The Windows version of
Master Tracks seemed so 'clunky'.

Mark
sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Subject: Re: MIDI Machine Control (MMC) Info Request
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:25:42 GMT


In a previous article, jgibbens@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Jonathan Gibbens) says:

>Howdy,
>
>I was just reading in the current (May) issue of Guitar Player,
>and noticed a reference about Midi Machine Control.  Evidently
>it's an extension of the MIDI specification that allows 
>tape and video recorders, hard-disk recorders, CD ROM's and
>other devices to be controlled by MIDI devices. I was wondering if
>anyone has or knows where I could get a hold of the MIDI MMC
>specification.  I already have the current MIDI 1.0 spec.
>
>Any help or information will be greatly appreciated.
>
Jon, the MMC spec is available from the MDA for $25 +
shipping and handling. I have not found a Electronic
source, so I order it.

PCH
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Imagination Processing Systems		|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always recieved.'
From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Gravis Ultrasound
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:59:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.1992Apr14.025921.65777
Organization: Lehigh University


>The LAPC-I and MT32 accept midi information via 9 midi channels, but
>allows up to 32 individual *voices* (or *notes* if you like).
>
>The SC-55 and SCC-1 accept midi info on 16 midi channels, but allows
>up to 24 individual voices.
>
>More info?
>
>Eddie
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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>/ Oh, so THAT's what those funny balloons are for! \
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>

So which is more important for better sound? The MT/LA* has 9 channels and 32
voices. The SC* has _16_ channels but only 24 voices. I heard that the SC* is
better, so does that mean more channels=better sound? Of course the SB has
twice the voices of the SB and so it's better...AAARRRGGGHHH!!! Help!
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Newsgroups: comp.music
From: mblawson@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Matthew B Lawson)
Subject: composing sw
Summary: Seeking composing sw
Keywords: midi
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:44:05 GMT

    Hello!
    I'm looking for a program that will let me do sheet music composition on
my PC; Transcription would be nice, but I do NOT need a sequencer.  I got the
demo of FINALE and its pretty neat, but $500 is flat-out too expensive.
    I see mention of programs like cakewalk, MTpro, and now Cadenza, but I 
don't know what is transcrption, composing, or sequencing?!!? Note that I have
a SBPro, so any Midi functions need to be compatible with that.  Price range
around $200 or less would be good.  Thanks for any help!
    - Matt

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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Hard-disk recording
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: comp.music
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <gxmagee.702736848@unix1.tcd.ie> gxmagee@unix1.tcd.ie (Gregory Xavier Magee) writes:
>In <ANDRE.92Apr1153800@havlit.iesd.auc.dk> andre@iesd.auc.dk (Atte Andre Jensen) writes:
>
>
>>Hi
>
>>I'm considering buying equipment for harddisk recording for my Atari
>>ST. I need (at least) the following requirements to be met:
>
>>  o Accaptable sound-quality (sample-rate above 40 KHz)
>
>>  o At least 4 tracks (more are fine with me)
>
>>  o The system must not exclude my other programs to run on the Atari
>>    (not talking 'bout multitasking, and I don't know if this would be
>>    a problem)
>
>>I expect the HD-recording-"system" to be a combination of soft- &
>>hardware.
>
>>Have any of you experience with any system in paticular?
>>Recomendations & critiques are wellcome.
>
>>Thanx in advance...
>
>
>If you are interested in a professional quality setup have a look at
>Invision's "SoundTools" and "StudioVision". Originally brought out
>on the MAC it was a tremendous success. Their system consists  of
>Soundtools the audio hardware and Studio Vision which is a top rate
>sequencer. Essentially what it allows you to do is to Record an
>audio track and edit it just as you would any MIDI track.    

I do believe the gentleman said Atari, not Mac.  I'm sure he's not
interested in dumping his Atari.

Anyway SoundTools is by DigiDesign.  But back to the point.

There does exist a DAW based on the Atari platform.  I was looking at it
recently but can't remember the name.  The company adbvertises in MIX
Magazine from time to time.  I'll check at home and see if I can find
the name of the company.

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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: lid11 - black industrial diamonds demo
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: heurikon.1416
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>By the way, anyone else who is interested in getting the demo, reply to me. 
>It is 60 minutes of weirdly sampled industrial nightmares that will kick you
>right in the ass. 

Hmm. Another post from someone who seems to have suffered little in the
way of violence [and thus writes about it flippantly]. I suppose that
Eliot Handelman's term "maximum cortical damage" when applied to this
post would scan as "a kick in the head," n'est-ce pas? I think that all
aspiring industrial music stars should be required to ride shotgun in
an ambulance or hang out in a trauma unit for a couple of weeks. It
does wonders for the glorification of mutilation. Worked for me, anyhow.

P.S. I *know* that Eliot means it differently. It's just that we don't
see a lot of damage postings here, apart from the soundblaster flame
wars.

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I am so lonely for the twentieth century,/for the deeply felt, obscene
graffiti/of armed men and the beautiful bridges/that make them so small and
carry them/into the hearts of cities written like words/across nothing,/the
dense void history became in my beautiful century/gtaylor/608-828-3385
From: cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Gravis Ultrasound
Summary: Gravis Ultrasound -- Digital I/O daughterboard?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:52:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services


The "pro-level" 16-bit daughterboard is SCSI-equipped, according to the
specs we've seen here, but does anyone know if there is digital I/O on
the daughterboard, S-PDIF or AES/EBU? If not, it's hardly
pro-oriented...

Casey Palowitch
cjp@unix.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.music
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND -- NEW INFO  (Long!)
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 16:06:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.024041.8599@dsd.es.com> David DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> writes:
>- 32 Synthesized Voice (NOT FM!)

Just out of curiosity, what method are they using if not FM?

(The "NOT FM!" almost seems to imply that FM is not synthesis, which
it is, or is "bad", which it isn't if you have a decent number of
operators.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:32:26 CDT
From: <U56779@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Happy Birthday.

Hello ,
    I am looking for a code in pascal , C , or BAsic that plays
 Happy Birthday tone. If Anyone happen to know , please E-mail
me..
     Thanks.
                                                   -Pa.
From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: MIDI files format 2 question
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:09:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department


Hi, netters,

I hope you liked the MIDI playback program which I
made available recently. 

Currently I am working on the next version.

I hope to introduce the ability to load MIDI files
of format 2 type in that new version too.

However, I have never seen a format 2 MIDI file.

I do have the following questions:

1. Can somebody send me some format 2 files for testing?
   (Note that I have no ftp access!).

2. Does each sequence (track) of a format 2 MIDI file
   contain its own tempo information, OR is it (more 
   like format 1 MIDI files) that this is in the first
   track, OR can both apply?

3. Does the different sequences necessarily be played
   after each other, or is there another way to find
   out when which track/sequence should start relative
   to each other. OR: Contains the timing within each
   track/sequence (I mean the delta times here) info
   about the first event time relative to the song
   start.


Thanks,

John

BTW I do have plenty of MIDIFILE specification documents
    (V.06) so that is not a help, as they do not contain
    the above information.

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From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND -- NEW INFO  (Long!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:11:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>       [Here's a price comparison against the PAS-16.]
>
>                               UltraSound      PAS-16
>Initial board                  $200            $359
>Extra cost for SCSI            $ 50            included in original
>Extra cost for 16bit sampling  $ 50            included in original
>                               -----           ----
>                               $250            $359
                                ^^^^
             uh, 200+50+50 = $300 !!!!!!!!      $59 difference
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