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From: etlclem@etlxd30.ericsson.se (Carl JF Ekstrom)
Subject: Re: Jesus "breaking barriers" Jones tour?
Reply-To: etlclem@etlxd30.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Burgess Hill, England
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:20:23 GMT

In article 12525@ics.uci.edu, bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
>   I don't know about a tour but then again would anyone really care?
> 
>   I was a big Jesus Jones till the ending days of _Doubt_.
> 
>  The new song "Devils" shows NO progression whatsoever.
>  It really sucks.
>  The video is even worse.
> 
>  Who knows?  Maybe the album will be good, but as of now, I have REALLY
>   really low expectations.
> 
>                                                        K!z!K
> 
U.K. tour starts march 17!

And yes, the new stuff sounds like "Doubt".
What happened to the Liquadizer Jesus Jones I liked???

Duh / Carl


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: HAPPENING LOCAL MUSIC SCENES
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:34:14 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

 (becky) writes:
:   Forget about Toronto, I say The Twin Cities, esp. Mpls.,MN>  Bob MOuld
: with his solo work as well as Husker Du and now Sugar are moving up the
: charts quite nicely.  Then there's the former Replacements and their lead
: singer Paul Westerberg who had great success producing the Singles

Granted all of these folks are amazing (read: among my favorites) but are any
of them still in Minneapolis?  I thought Paul was now based in California and 
Bob was in New York at last report.  By the way, don't forget Nova Mob, Bash
and Pop, Chris Mars, The Jayhawks, Run Westy Run, and any number of other
Twin Cities talents.

: soundtrack, and our new boy wonder's Soul Asylum.  There are quite a few
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These guys are hardly new.  They have upwards of 5 albums, almost all of
which are IMHO equal to or better than GDU (although I really do love that
album).

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Subject: Re: Poppies
Organization: Communications Research Group
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:10:34 GMT

In article <ibhan.725988518@husc.harvard.edu>, ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:
|> ajaffray@quads.uchicago.edu (alan jaffray) writes:
|> 
|> >Speaking of the Poppies, I was very disappointed by their latest album.
|> >I liked _This Is The Day, This Is The Hour, This Is This!_ very much
|> >because it has a lot of energy but is still catchy, because of the 
|> >darkly amusing lyrics, because of the interesting noise and the layering
|> >of effects and samples continually in the background.. (which isn't a
|> >very good description if you haven't heard them before, but will suffice
|> >if you have).  _Cure For Sanity_ was good, but too tame and not as 
|> >complicated... _The Looks Or The Lifestyle_ is, at least from the first
|> >couple of listenings, just boring rap over pure pop music... though that
|> >"power exists in everyone!" sample they use in Karmadrone is funny as
|> >hell, at least to me...
|> 
|> I don't know if I'm really a good person to compare the albums, since the
|> one I have is The Looks Or The Lifestyle, but after the first few
|> listenings, I really got into it.  It's one of the best albums I've bought
|> this year.  
|> -- 

I agree, unlike the previous albums which had instant appeal the latest takes
a few listenings to get into it. Now, go out immediately and get Box Frenzy!
:-) This contains most of the all time Poppies classics, there's not a duff
song on the album. Read the back of the cover for a great laugh too.
I'd also eventually get Now For A Feast too, there are some very funny
songs, like The Black Country Chainstore Massacre and a Jesus and Mary
Chain pisstake, Candydiosis.

			Rob.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mos@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Michael O'Sullivan)
Subject: Sex Pistols Reformation
Summary: Sex Pistols reformation
Keywords: Sex Pistols,reform, when, 
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:02:26 GMT

I read bits and pieces recently in this newsgroup about the pistols
reforming. I heard from a friend that they had actually played a couple of
gigs in London already, under assumed names or whatever. Anyone got any
info on this?
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: XYMOX
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:59:48 GMT

In article <C0MxGn.BzF@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umbadiu0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ted Babiuk) writes:
> 
> That goes for me too!
> Here in Winnipeg (Manitoba,Canada) its pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to get xymox
> stuff, except for Twist Of Shadows and Phoniex......Xymox '12's in Wpg?
> You GOT to be kidding! *sigh*........(had to go to Vancouver just to get
> Clan....)...
 
I think XYMOX released the new one themselvs, that may be why it is harder
to get.  I heard they couldn't find a record label that would sign them
so they put the thing out on their own.  I haven't heard the new album but
someone said it was pretty dancy (technoish).  I love thier older stuff so
I'm interested in a review of this one too!


Rich...
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: The Melvins - 4 Albums
Originator: tphailey@c00028-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:51:37 GMT


In article <1iiasnINNpaf@sumax.seattleu.edu>, kbennett@sumax.seattleu.edu ( Slacker Goddess) writes:
> >Does anyone on this group listen to the Melvins ?
> >What's this I see they've got _4_ new records. One for each bandmember
> >no less. 
> >4 tapes. Is it any good or are these guys just pushing forward the
> >limits >of self-importance ?
> >
> >-rob
> 
> I don't know if you're old enough to remember the band KISS, but the
> Melvins' album cover art and 4-solo-album concept is a direct parody of
> the 4 solo albums that the KISS band members released one year when I was
> in (grade school? jr hi?). 
> 
> Lena
>       kbennett@sumax.seattleu.edu
> 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Melvins only put out 3 solo albums.
I mean, there's only 3 people in the band. The 4th album mentioned would
have to be their new one called "Lysol" (at least that's what I think it's 
called). Also, a new Melvins 5" came out on Slap A Ham records and it has
them doing two Flipper covers. The packaging is very much like a recent 
Flipper disc. I guess it's just the year for Melvins to do parodies.

TOMASS 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mpuf6@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Constable)
Subject: Eskimos & Egypt - Any info?
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:15:36 GMT

I recently saw a late night music show, and they were on.  I haven't
heard of them before but really liked what they did.

Anyone got any ideas about a discography, or a tour.

Absolutely anything at all...

Cheers

MJC - The geezer with no sig.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: blckjck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Alexander Cruden)
Subject: Re: Janes Addiction Trivia and Q
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:40:52 GMT

In article <1iso6nINNn2q@shelley.u.washington.edu> volinsky@thelma.stat.washington.edu (Christopher Volinsky) writes:
>I happened to see the video for "Classic Girl" the other night and was 
>wondering a few things.  In the video, Perry and his woman (who is she?) are 
>going through some sort of ceremony..it looks like a wedding ceremony but its 
>kind of strange..like some kind of cult thing.  During the ceremony, the woman
>has something done to her hand or arm, but the screen is blurred partially so 
>we can not exactly see what is being done to her.  Does anybody know what this ritual is??? Or if they are 'legally' married??

Last I heard, Perry Farrell was going to get married following Lolapalooza I 
sometime.  I don't know if this has happened though.

>Also, some trivia.  In the CD insert to "Nothing's Shocking"  there is a 
>picture of Perry sitting down wearing mirrored sunglasses.  If you look closelyinto his glasses the reflection in them is of his naked body!!  Quite clever, 
>I must say!! Did anybody else notice this??

Yes.  Actually, once Chris Isaacs announced it on MTV.  This summer sometime.
From: kbennett@sumax.seattleu.edu ( Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: coffee songs
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:34:34 GMT
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Sounds like an idea for a compilation of covers by Seattle bands.....  

From the world latte capitol,
Lena
      kbennett@sumax.seattleu.edu

      "Well, I'd call myself an artist
      If I could make these feelings clear
      But there's a million things to think about
      When you're cutting off your ear."
          	--Game Theory
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Any news on this Seattle Grunge Band?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:15:44 GMT

In article <C0GKvw.Ews@ulowell.ulowell.edu> comalley@dragon (Chris O'Malley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.233019.15408@netcom.com> howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
>>In article <cubsfan.726358820@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>>>Does anybody know when the new Citizen Dick album is going
>>>to be released.  Citizen Dick just *is* the ultimate in 
>>>grunge! Nothin' gets me moving like 'Stomach of Chaos' or
>>>the awesome guitars in 'Touch Me, I'm Dick'
>>>
>>
>>Sounds like a sweet parody of Mudhoney's first (and only good IMHO)
>>big single "Touch Me I'm Sick".  Cool.  
>>
>
>  Even though there are no smileys in sight, I hope this thread is
> a joke.. Citizen Dick is the *fictional* Seattle band from the
> movie "Singles."  They're not real.
>


Too Bad...Mudhoney deserves to be parodied :-)








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From: viikari@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: John Wayne was a Nazi
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:28:14 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <92365.162357U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
  
> Addendum: When MDC was known as The Stains (NOT the punkametalloid band that
> was on SST Records) and were still based in Austin, they released the original
> versions of "John Wayne" and "Born To Die". These versions blow the ones on
> the first LP right off the map,IMHO. Does anybody have an idea whether they
> were reissued on any compilations?


	The 7" versions are on the MDC compilation 'More Dead Cops 19**-19**'
	(I don't remember the exact name). And there's the 7" but it's very
	hard (and expensive) to find.

		I prefer the 7" versions, too.
			-t-
From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Wanted: Shonen Knife discography
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:39:39 GMT
Organization: Space CUDets Int'l

In the referenced article, jnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John G Norman) writes:
>Can someone send me a discography of Shonen Knife?  US issues only, or
>easy-to-get imports.
>
>Thanks.
>
>jnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Date: 11 December 1992
From: John Relph <relph@presto.ig.com>

	Instant Shonen Knife discography...

[ Courtesy jima@cs1.bradley.edu (Jim Allenspach) and
  ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) ]

	KNIFE LIFE

    _Burning Farm_ (1983, Japanese Zero, & 1985, K (US) [tape only])
    _Yama No Attchan_ (1984, Japanese Zero) [no domestic release]
    _Pretty Little Baka Guy_ (1986, Japanese Zero, & 1986, Subversive)
*   _Shonen_Knife_ (1990, Giant Records)
*   _Pretty_Little_Baka_Guy_ + _Live_in_Japan!_ (1990, Rockville)
*   _712_ (1991, Rockville) (including "Rain" and "Luck of The Irish",
    from _Mono!_)
    "Fruit Loop Dreams" single (1990?, ?)
    "Neon Zebra" single (1991, Sub-Pop)
*   "Space Christmas" single (1991, Rockville[?])
*   "Riding on the Rocket" single (1991, August/Creation)
*   _Let's Knife_ (1992, August/Creation) (also available with bonus
    karaoke single)

	Tributes
*   _Every_Band_Has_A_Shonen_Knife_Who_Loves_Them_ (1989, Giant) (other
    bands cover Knife tunes)

	Other stuff
*   _Mono!_ by Tater Totz (1989, Giant)

The starred releases are available on CD.  The Knife are touring Europe as
of this writing.
From: jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: new order / depeche mode tour?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:11:15 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:

> * Dave Gahan (as Christian has indicated elsewhere) has gone extremely
>   strange and is now sporting shoulder length hair, a goatee beard, and
>   tattoos. Wooo, how original <heavy sarcasm>.

Well, he's always had the Tattoos..


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.radilo.noncomm
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: Alternative music & Improverished Radio Markets
Organization: The Off Beat
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:00:37 GMT

Me...

>> Hmmm, looks like the liklies in Buffalo include only WBFO, WBNY, and WEBR.
>> Not too much to pick from.
 
Elissa Feit...

> Au contraire, mon ami. WBFO does NOT play "college" radio. They play
> "University" Radio, snoot snoot. 
> 
> (We don't get WBER, too far east; WBNY is it for poor lil ol' me...
> pretty good 'cept when they play Van Halen. CFNY, Toronto, Ontario,
> Canada is a fairly good station... 'cept when *they* play Led Zeppelin.)

Which really just makes my original point:  Buffalo is yet another market
with almost no creative, alternative (little 'a') non-commercial programming.
Why is this?  What are all the non-commercial frequencies being used for?
Are the frequencies open, but the market simply won't support more non-comm
stations?  Why don't community backed stations spring up in these vacuums?

Obviously we're spoiled in the Bay Area, with KALX, KUSF, KFJC, KZSU, KSCU,
KSJS, KPOO, KPFA, KKUP, KLEL (high school!), and so on, but why do other
markets have *nothing*?
 
>> "You're a total sociopath in your own right!"  --David Baggett
> (flame on)       ^^^^^psychopath!!! ;-)     (flame off)

Hey, take it up with Dave, he's the one that seems to arbitrate my disorders.

-dx
-- 
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From: u9236635@sys.uea.ac.uk (R. Szczesniak)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ministry - album title?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:32:04 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides) writes:


>Ok, what the heck is a certain Ministry title supposed to mean?

>I've heard that the title is supposed to mean "psalm 69."
>This is impossible since the Greek word for psalm is COMPLETELY
>different and could in no way be confused with "head."
>Also, xsi and theta are not the 6th, and 9th letters in the
>alphabet....

>Elena

I asked this question sometime ago in rec.music.industrial & got an answer from
someone that it was kefali 69 which literally translated means Chapter 69 but
can be interpreted as Psalm 69.

Romek
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:40:43 GMT

In article <C0pL9F.76J@acsu.buffalo.edu> v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff) writes:

>that Billy Zoom was the greatest guitarist he'd ever seen.  

>Check out his oboe playing on their video.  An accomplished musician, for sure.

Not the only one in the band, either.  As I recall, D.J. Bonebreak
was an orchestral percussionist before he became X's drummer.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Spandau Ballet
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:08:59 GMT

In article <gfIW2p600WBOM72IAN@andrew.cmu.edu> "Beth E. Trapani" <bt25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Generally my tastes are pretty alternative....then there's Spandau
>Ballet.  I THINK they're alternative -- but who knows?  I have their two
>of their albums, but there are no liner notes.  Does anyone know
>ANYTHING about this band?  Are they still in existence?  I also know
>that two of the members of the band are Gary and something Kemp, actor
>brothers who were in the movie "The Krays".  That's it.  Anyone with
>info that you can give me?  It would be much appreciated!!!
>


OK, this is going to sound funny, but this band TOTALLY fits the
cliche that a band is cool before it gets popular, and then they SUCK.
Spandau Ballet produced a few pretty good songs, notably 'Chant #9'
and 'To cut a long story short' before realizing that cheezy lame love
ballads were the way to hit the charts and make money.  The only stuff
most people have heard from these guys are 'True' and 'Gold', which
are their two very worst songs, IMHO.  Chant #9 is an fast song with
horns, and 'To cut...' is a song with a really good synthesizer
melody.  Other songs, like 'Round and Round' really are pure crap in
comparison. 

Also, evidently Tony Hadley, the singer, is pretty much to blame for
their descent into syrupy cheez-muzak.  Robert Smith really went off
about how pretentious he was in a mag article I used to have.

-Howard

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From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: very good b-sides.
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:02:39 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <Jan.6.12.09.49.1993.7203@pilot.njin.net>,
gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>
>ok, the smiths "how soon is now" first appeared on a 12 inch record
> as a b-side, and is now recognized as the #1 "alternative"
> song of all time.
>
>whitney houston's "saving all my love for you" (i think that's the
> one- the 4th song on her debut album) was a b-side to one
> of her singles, and later became a #1 in its own right.
>
>new order's "1963" is a song which is a very good song, and has
> appeared in those "top 300" alternative charts.
>
>what other b-sides are there that have achieved some sort of fame?

Tones on Tail's "Go" is the b-side to "Lions".

And don't forget all of the (cough, cough, hack) recent U2 b-sides.

--Gina
From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The return of "X"
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:14:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1it07fINNhhu@network.ucsd.edu> mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes:
>>Fourth of July ('87?)
>
>The last one should be "See How We Are" (1987) with the semi-hit 'Fourth of
>July'.  Actually, it's much better than "Ain't Love Grand", though not nearly
>as agressive as their previous albums.  They also released "Live at the Whisky"
>in 1989 or 90 (i think, don't make any bar bets on that fact).

I really liked _See How We Are_ btw, and would rank it as one of their best
along with _Wild Gift_, but then that is MHO.  _Live at the Whisky-a-Go-Go_
came out in '88 though in case anyone really cares (yeah, right).

greg
From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Alternative music.
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:50:40 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1993Jan8.222510.3755@mont.cs.missouri.edu> gbarrett@missouri.edu (Grant Barrett) writes:
>Alternative music.
>Hey, bud, sure. Thats alternative. Ill agree. But as an alternative
>disk jockey and music writer, Id say alternative includes everything
>that expands music horizons. I learned, and believe, that alternative
.... The best alternative radio station I ever
>listened to segued Robert Johnson into Black Crowes into Montrose into
>Van Halen into Metallica into Dinosaur Jr. into Mudhoney into Residents...

Yeah well that's great. Unfortunately I would have missed the Dinosaur
Jr, Mudhoney, and Residents 'cos I would have switched the station
long before.  Alternative does NOT equal eclectic. I mean, maybe you
want to re-define the language, but Val Halen does NOT expand my
musical horizons with their (what Frank Zappa has called)  "wheedle-y
wheedle-y wheedle-y" guitar 8-)

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
  "To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion" - Unknown