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From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: What to do about Dan Holmes?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:22:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager) says:
>
>Dan went on to show that he must have spent hours looking at old messages
>to criticize just about everyone that posted.  The remarkable thing is that
>he had absolutely nothing positive to say about anybody or anything.  His
>previous postings have consistently been vituperative attacks on any name
>he recognized.

Mikey,
If you reread, I think you will find positive remarks for Ed Carp, Marvin Raab,
and Bob Becker. And I was only talking about individuals that post alot here.

>The only thing that UseNet can do when we have someone whose only interest
>appears to be to walk around kicking everything is ignore him.  My suggestion
>is that you not respond to his jibes, no matter how irritating and no matter
>how short your fuse is.  

Hmmm, wonder if your newfound attitude may have something to do with the 
reply from me that you recieved after your vulgar e-mail to me. I know how
annoying it can be when get your letter returned with a Meg+ file attached.
You can say whatever you want about me publicly, but I wouldn't suggest
unsolicited e-mail attacks.

Have a nice day!

Dan
-- 
Daniel K. Holmes            | "You can still smell the roses when you're
cd975@cleveland.freenet.edu | running with them in your hand. Memories are
Holmes@vaxt.llnl.gov        | the true measure of life. Make all you can."
                            | --Garth Brooks
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn)
Subject: Re: Stupid Studs (was Re: Advise needed)
Organization: Konnem, Churn, Reap & Chortle, Investment Counselors for the '90s
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:25:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.221232.14309@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.035913.28005@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) 
>publicly strokes himself wit:
>>
>>You're pushin' 40, Des.  What happens to you?  Rusty or Dusty?
>
>	I'm not pushing 40; I just push those over 40.  Big difference
>there Bob.  Neither rusty or dusty; more like muddy and hobbled.

...and their heads hit the ground with a resounding "__ __ __ __ __".

(HINT: begins with a "B" ends with a "K") 
--
J. M. Wincn                           jmw@angelo.amd.com (408) YUP-BEER 
I discriminate.               Standard DISCLAIMER available on request. 
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: charles@elaine11.Stanford.EDU (Charles Benjamin Roosen)
Subject: Re: I am me!
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:53:35


>Tina Martin (martin@kong.mcco.com) wrote:
>: I have taken the advise of some of you and have started to proofread my
>                   ^^^^^^
>: messages. I hope it helps!
>Now get a dictionary. The word you want is "advice".
>
>..........................................................................
> Howard Stateman            | Reincarnation: Life sucks, then you die.   .

Howard and eveyone else snapping at Tina's spelling and typing,

I hope you are all proud of yourselves.  Does it give you pleasure to 
criticize others?  Or do you believe it to be constructive to harp on the
mistakes of others in a public forum?

My take on the situation is that Tina is a well-meaning person.  Despite all
the flack she's been getting she continues to make friendly gestures.
Why all the hostility?  (And don't pretend that you're trying to help her 
with her spelling.  If so, send her a note rather than posting to the whole
net.)

Charles Roosen
charles@playfair.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Stupid Studs (was Re: Advise needed)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:59:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.192438.12282@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>
>
>>They only hang at half mast? :)
>
>	Hmmm.  Must be over 35 then...

HEY!  HEY!! HEY!!!     Exception!!!!!!!!  I take exception!!!!!

You're pushin' 40, Des.  What happens to you?  Rusty or Dusty?
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: What to do about Dan Holmes?
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:03:32 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1k778qINNf2g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
|
|In a previous article, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) says:
|
|>In article <1k6cg4INN85b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes) writes:
|>|
|>|In a previous article, barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) says:
|>|
|>|
|>|> Take the lampshade off your head and try to make yourself fit
|>|>company for grownups. 
|>|>						Kayembee
|>|>
|>|
|>|This group consists of grownups?
|>|
|>|BWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAHAAA
|> 
|>F*ck off, Holmes.
|>
|
|John, still the master of wit I see. So orginal and it just rolls from the
|tongue. 

No, I save my wit and charm for those that deserve it.  My response was
apropos to what you have contributed to the group.

|I give you a two thumbs up for this one. 

Save the two thumbs up.  I don't want them.  


-- 
-john
From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Hi BOB!
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Bob,
It doesn't matter if anyone posts in support of me. If I can get a laugh
out of someone as I make fun of you and the rest of your politically 
correct, flame on the drop of a hat group, it is time well spent.
have a nice day,

Dan
-- 
Daniel K. Holmes            | "You can still smell the roses when you're
cd975@cleveland.freenet.edu | running with them in your hand. Memories are
Holmes@vaxt.llnl.gov        | the true measure of life. Make all you can."
                            | --Garth Brooks
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Cloning as a way of life (was Re: Fake persons)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:55:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1993Jan27.020140.26885@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>Sort of an iced Kareem clone.

Oh my...

RNA
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Beer & Brats in Gilroy
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:27:37 GMT


Or should this be Bill & Mike's Great Adventure?


In article 9696@netcom.com, whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.093220.13951@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:
>>D'ya think Bill would mind if I told everybody in the world/net to stop 
>>over at his house in Gilroy on some Saturday with Brats, BBQ, & Beer?  
>
>Nope, he sure wouldn't.  

You're on.  Let me know when and I'll be happy to help organize it.
I'll bring the grils, er, girls, er, gils, whatever.


>P.S.  ... why so eager, Michael?

Gosh, I don't know.  I've been eager all my life, it just seems to come
naturally.

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 74004@cup.portal.com, DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong) writes:
>
>	This is totally sad. I went away and got stuck in snow in Fond du 
>Lac, wis, the last few days, finally extracted myself out of the snow powder
>and 8 degree weather, flew back, read the news, found out that finally 
>somebody *NORMAL* showed up in this group, and then realized that she is 
>flamed to death just because she doesnt want to date people who are over
>weight. 
>
>	And they say it's superficial. That's BS. When your gut (not really
>your gut, it's about 5-6 inches below --your mileage may vary) doesnt feel 
>like dating certain kind of people, there is no way your intellectual brain 
>can convince that part of your anatomy to 'look beyond that and see through 
>the skull and appreciate the mind' and change its preference, period. 
>

If you go back and read the relevant post more carefully, you'll see that 
Tina did not say she didn't want to date people who are overweight, she 
said she didn't want to go to a party that "fat people" might attend.  
Later, she clarified that she didn't want to associate with any overweight 
people because she was offended by their lack of self-esteem and initiative.

She didn't get flamed because she didn't want to date/sleep with overweight 
people -- that, as you indicate, is a matter of pheremones and personal 
preference. However, not being willing to attend a party that might be 
polluted by such people is an opinion eminently flamable, imho.

I'd think the flames would be a welcome change from 8-degree weather, if 
nothing else :->


********************************************************************************
Janice Gelb                  | (415) 336-7075     
janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
********************************************************************************
From: mwoo@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Childhood Dreams (was Re: Lousy employees (was  Re: Cloning )
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:49:30 GMT
Reply-To: mwoo@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan28.064451.25772@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>charming manner.  Besides, he gave himself the moniker -- t'wasn't I.

Hmm...LizardKid...cold-blooded...long tongue...he may have a future yet!

Margaret
From: charlie@askinc.ASK.COM (Charlie Adams)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Mountain View
Keywords: Just For Fun
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:14:08 GMT
Reply-To: charlie@askinc.ask.COM (Charlie Adams)
Distribution: ba
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Recently moved to Mountain View, CA and wondering where are
some casual places to meet friendly singles.  Also will soon reside
in Sunnyvale and looking for "reasonably priced" apartments.

Charlie
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: Sexual Arousal
Keywords: Sex
Organization: QQQCLC
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:49:35 GMT

In article <Jan.22.12.42.36.1993.7900@presto.ig.com> arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios) writes:
>I'm into bondage, motor oil, and anal plugs....

	You'll fit right in here.

						Kayembee
From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Howdy, everyone. I'm new here.
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:17:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <16626@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>Has anyone else noticed the irony of the welcome that is being offered
>even though this was originally posted from "dank@netcom"? 

I *still* didn't see it, so I asked John, who explained.  Yep.

 
Holmes flames everybody for jumping on newbies, then we welcome one,
and Holmes flames him for trusting us.  Yeah, that's irony.  I also
didn't think DKH would choose a name so close to his own if he was
playing that kind of game.


As is true of many an annoyance, IGNORE it.  It will go away eventually.

Worst that could happen if we totally ignore Holmes is he might post
something that could pass as a useful contribution.  Maybe there *is* a
first time for everything.


	Bob "         ... Naaaahhhh!" O'Bob
--
From: marv@netcom.com (Marvin Raab)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: We missed you Margaret... NOT!
Keywords: "Geek"
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:53:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: user of Netcom Public Access Unix, SF Bay Area

In article <Jan.28.08.45.23.1993.24191@net.bio.net> charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>
>The first Boink I ever went to was at Vito's Pizza in Sunnyvale, musta
>been 6 years ago, with Kent Paul Dolan, who I'm sure some ba.sniglets

  It was in March of 1989 (almost four years ago) given by Teri Miller 
on the occasion of me coming to CA for a 1-week vacation. I went back
to DC, quit my job, and moved here a month later.

>Vito's is a cheesy (so sue me) little dive that serves the definitive
>NY style pizza.  The back room seems to be blocked off these days, so
>I don't know if there are parties there anymore.

   It's still available for parties...



                    -marvin


-- 
Marvin Raab                                  
marv@netcom.com                              Mountain View, CA 94040
apple.com!netcom.com!marv                    415-961-6501 (h)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: charlie@askinc.ASK.COM (Charlie Adams)
Subject: You Mail Okay?
Keywords: G Rated Time
Reply-To: charlie@askinc.ask.COM (Charlie Adams)
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:54:07 GMT

Patti,

Is your mail working right yet?
We were going back and forth, then I received mail from you
saying that you were having trouble getting mail from me.  I
then received a message from you asking if I received mail 
from you.

Last message I got was about the Gym.

Charlie



Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (dmc)
Subject: Re: Stupid Studs (was Re: Advise needed)
Summary: Lalalalala
Organization: Powerbooks
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:51:15 GMT

In article <16621@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) 
catches up the times:

>I said;
>|	I'm not pushing 40; I just push those over 40.  Big difference
>|there Bob. 

>Correction, Des.  You're pushing those over 35.

	35 what?  

>| Neither rusty or dusty; more like muddy and hobbled.

>Does that have anything to do with that hike last weekend?

	Nope. It was the *after* hike activities I was speaking of...

Desiree

Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Singles Expo in Palo Alto on 01/23
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:55:37 GMT

In article <C1HFww.F9L@amd.com> jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn) writes:
>
>
>to actually go out and -form-a-company- for the purpose of "meetin' the babes"
>but who then proceeds to *publically* pass-up an opportunity
>  to exploit that tool.

True.  Most of us enjoy exploiting our tools.
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Howdy, everyone. I'm new here.
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:57:11 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1993Jan23.180302.13082@netcom.com> aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge) drips with witty sarcasm:

>	But Marvin, Tina is such an ethereal spirit. She'd find it hard to
>make her presence known in any group or gathering. 

Good one, Jackie!  You get a 10 for that one!  Finesse, style, wit, *and*
biting sarcasm.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Sexual Arousal
Keywords: Sex
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:02:45 GMT

In article <Jan.22.12.42.36.1993.7900@presto.ig.com> arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios) writes:
>
>Hello all you mutha's, 

Howdy!

>I read this group in hope's that people would leave their personals,
>and talk about places to meet for fun and frolic....am I wrong?

Nope.

>Is ba.singles only for people to bitch at each other!

Nope.

>Who cares about Tina and Dan, let's get back to enjoying each other's
>company.

We are.  This is it.

>
>How about listing favorite hang-outs not just for singles, but for
>great beers, food. dance, whatever, music especially brings people
>together..
>I'm into bondage, motor oil, and anal plugs....

Well, there's a subtle start.
But is ti more fun than the beers, food, and dance?
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:03:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong) writes:

>found out that finally 
>somebody *NORMAL* showed up in this group, and then realized that she is 
>flamed to death just because she doesnt want to date people who are over
>weight. 
>	And they say it's superficial. That's BS. When your gut (not really
>your gut, it's about 5-6 inches below --your mileage may vary) doesnt feel 
>like dating certain kind of people, there is no way your intellectual brain 
>can convince that part of your anatomy to 'look beyond that and see through 
>the skull and appreciate the mind' and change its preference, period. 

[Setting aside the issue of whether Tina is a real newbie or not]
Agreed -- if she had said it the way you did, she probably wouldn't have
been flamed. But specifying "No fat people please" when one is invited to a
party is flame bait.

If someone posts reasons why they want to date only Caucasians, they might
expect to be argued with, both politely and not. If someone is invited to 
a party and replies, "No Chinese people please," they should don asbestos 
underwear.

--
Stef                   C'mon Mike. Would the dolphins give up their
stef@apple.com         favorite sandwiches to save our butts? -- John Grimes
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: akao@.com (Adam Kao)
Subject: Not Again
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:42:35 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


In article (blah) Daniel K. Holmes writes:

	[mucho stuff]

Does anyone else see a pattern here?  First week in January, I kick
you around.  Second week, "Tina Martin*" fucks with your head.  Now,
here, the third week of the glorious New Year, we have Daniel Holmes
doing THE EXACT SAME THING TO YOU FOR THE THIRD WEEK IN A ROW.

God, isn't it wierd that there are people out there who bait flamers?
God, isn't it wierd that we don't do this sort of thing in misc.taxes?
Why is that?  Why do you think that might be?

DON'T YOU KNOW ACTING LIKE AN ARROGANT ASSHOLE ATTRACTS MORE FLAMERS?
Oh, I forgot.  You ENJOY being baited and fucked with.  WHY THE FUCK
DON'T YOU TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS?

I don't know why I bother trying to explain.  God knows it isn't for
the gratitude.  THIS IS NOT MY JOB.

Adam

"Only 49 weeks to go."



* Am I the _only_ fucker who noticed "Tina Martin's" Organization: was
"Miscellaneous Computer Company" in her first post, but became
"Moscone Community CO." in all her subsequent posts?  Hey "Tina",
everytime I finger you you're with this guy, Robert Andrews, so like,
I guess you're unavailable, eh?
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Marginal People (was  Re: Circle Jerks (was Re: Oxymorons, )
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:02:16 GMT
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <28388@sybase.sybase.com> tim@sybase.com (Tim Wood) writes:

>Part of communicating effectively is to anticipate what your reader/listener
>might infer from what you say.  You don't want them to make inaccurate
>inferences.  The reader's reaction is, believe it or don't, partly the
>writer's responsibility.

Only reasonable inferences.  Besides, that's what the feedback channel is for.
Communication is, believe it or not, a two-way street.  The responsibility
of the sender is to make a reasonable attempt to be clear and non-ambiguous,
and the responsibility of the receiver is to communicate to the sender that
'X' is the message that was received, thereby making the feedback that much
more effective.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."     -- Buddha
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Tie them threads together!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:54:37 GMT

Just to see how long the echoes of this subject line can last...

Let's see, just yesterday, there was:
"mmsomething was mmsomething was Oxymorons..."    that's been echoing for
weeks now...


Thanks for the suggestion, Dan, now, rather than a tower, when I go over
the edge, I think I'll grab my "assault rifle" and head for a certain
National Laboratory. 
"Hey!  you know Dan Holmes?"    "no"    "OK, see ya!"
"Hey! _you_ know Dan Holmes?"    "uh, yeah..."    Brr rr rr rr rr rr apppp!
"Hey! ...
And don't think "security" could stop me.  I've spent years working at
places that still don't officially even exist. 


Tina: I hope you realize you are still providing plenty of amusement, and
I hope you can enjoy that, even if it seems to be laughing *at* you.
About the time you showed up, I was considering posting something totally
composed of flamebait, but with you here and DKH even crawling back from
where ever he was, I'm now very glad I didn't.

 
My "complaint" about mutant smileys _has_ proven to start some fun email,
though ;-)  I'd been thinking we needed something _less_ serious to complain
about.  As an inveterate complainer, my friends ought to know they can guage
my mood by how trivial a thing I'm complaining about.  If it's important,
I might actually be in a bad mood, but when I'm complaining about if
someone's smiley has a nose...


I hope last night's mini-event at the Tied House went well - I had a
frustrating day, and, like Dan K. had mentioned, don't care to hang out at
a beer joint alone, so at 7:30, after wandering the length and breadth
of the place for almost half an hour, making myself obvious about looking
for someone I've never met, I was beginning to lose what cheer I had left,
and went home.  Very sorry I missed you.


Bob: don't let it scare you.  I've known women that were _very_ competent
at careful use of the teeth.  You wouldn't want to miss the experience.


Des: I think you'd better stock up on those tootsie rolls.  I haven't seen
a single vote for anyone else, and even though Tina misspelled your
pseudonym, her intention was clear (isn't it always?)
I think it's time to declare a winner.   But let's skip the fancy-schmancy
inauguration stuff, I've had enough for one decade already, OK?


	Bob O'Bob


Note for the humor impaired: you'd better give up on this group, you'll
never be accepted here, and nobody will appreciate you.  Go away.
Satire, parody, punning, innuendo, double-entendre, ...  without them,
this would be a very empty place.
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: jmw@angelo.amd.com (John Wincn)
Subject: Re: Thanks for the boink, Bob!
Organization: Konnem, Churn, Reap & Chortle, Investment Counselors for the '90s
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:57:12 GMT

In article <grismore-250193093956@macb042.mv.us.adobe.com> grismore@adobe.com (Doug Grismore) writes:
[...]
>of posts can be taken out of context.  The easiest way to avoid
>it is: don't post.  

This is only valid for the more timid members of the studio audience, Doug. 

> The easiest way to *deal* with it is to laugh. 

And now, class, here is today's net.homily:

	"The net is mostly anarchy.  You get out of it whatever you want,
	 contribute whatever you think has value." 

					-- me, circa last year
(you're welcome.) 
--
J. M. Wincn                           jmw@angelo.amd.com (408) YUP-BEER 
I discriminate.               Standard DISCLAIMER available on request. 
Newsgroups: ba.singles