From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Johnny-boy wants to play too! (was Re: Baggett goes Ballistic)
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:02:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1go6qvINN34t@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
>In article <15881@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

I don't why I'm even bothering to respond to this.  I'll try to be brief.


|>Read it about seven years ago.  Maybe it's changed a bit since then.
|
|Well, how about doing us all a favor and reading it again.  It's OK
|to be nice to people on Usenet.  Really.

I'm quite capable of being nice to people on Usenet.  I've met a lot of nice
people on the net because of it.  I am also quite capable of recognizing
kneejerk reactions to a posting just because it happens to have a specific
name in the header.  I also will not hesitate to point out to someone that
I think is interpreting an article incorrectly.  You have the right to
post your opinion and I have the right to disagree with it.  And vise versa.
 
|>Nasty?  It was in fact quite informative.  Stanley Clark is hardly 
|>representative of great jazz bass players.  Even great black jazz
|>bass players.  Anyone that limits their listening to jazz bass players
|>to Stanley Clark and doesn't listen to Charles Mingus is doing themselves
|>a disservice. 


|  And here we go with the
|"we're so cool, we know so much, you are obviously not as in the know
|as we are" schtick.  I was wondering when you'd get around to dragging
|that little ploy out.
 
And here we go again with that same old tired arguement.  What in the 
hell are people supposed to do if they *do* "know so much".  Suppress
their knowledge?  Refrain from sharing information because it might
be construed  as showing off?  Why are you  so adverse to excepting that 
someone might know a little more about music than you do?  There is a lot to 
learn from the people that post in this group.  

|Sorry, you lose.  You have no idea, especially not from what I wrote
|(which had nothing to do with any of your comments), whether or not I
|think 1) Stanley Clarke is representative of jazz bassists, 2) whether
|or not I restrict my listening to jazz bass players to SC, OR 3)
|whether I listen to Charles Mingus on a regular basis.
 
No I don't.  See the other article in which the entire thread was posted
and how it was interpreted that you're "Stanley Clark" followup was an
answer to knowing of "famous jazz bass players" and now that he play
in a specific group.  I interpreted the thread the same way and Ray's
mention of some other equally or more famous *and* talented jazz bass
players is actually providing some useful information for people that
are not familiar the Mingus/Brown/Carter et. al.  You took it personally.
 
|You see, you're following up without having read the original note.
|Which strongly suggests what is already obvious: the only reason
|you followed up to my post is because you didn't like me picking
|on little Ray, your net.buddy.

Ray is not my net.buddy.  Although I agree with him on this issue I may
vehemently disagree with something that he writes in the future.  I probably
have in the past, but see, I don`t hold grudges.
 
|Grow up.  Read my post and learn that I was simply answering a
|question:  who plays bass for Animal Logic.  It was a two-word
|followup that Ray felt compelled to reply to with one of his
|typical pretentious, contentless, snide one-liners because I'd
|actually bothered to respond to one of his flame-boyant posts with both
|considered argument and a request that he try to be a bit less
|obnoxious when dealing wiht people he disagreed with, mainly because I
|was getting tired of seeing this newsgroup turn into a playground for a
|bunch of self-impressed bullies.  (Sorry, I am obviously asking too
|much.)

No one is forcing you to stay.

|>Once again, Ray, in his own style has brought up the name of an artist
|>that anyone with a real interest in a particular form of music should
|>listen to.  For that he should be commended and not accused of being
|>nasty.
|
|I suppose, then, you'd commend me for saying:
|
|"Fuck you, you pig-headed ignorant sone of a bitch Charles Mingus
|bastard cheese-eating dirtball who rapes hamsters.  I ougtha take
|you out back and burn you alive, you're so ignorant."

Your comprehension and logic skills are amazing.  This doesn't even justify
a comment.

|Hardly.  Doesn't work that way.  You post disgusting crap and inject
|someone's name and you don't magically correct your gaffe.
 
You're starting to lose me here.

|Jeez, do you really believe what you're saying?

Absolutely.

| Do you realize how
|slavish you sound?  "All hail Ray."  Give me a break.  
 
Do you really understand what I'm saying?

|>Nobody's braggin'.  If you don't know about Charles Mingus and you're 
|>talking about jazz bass players you don't know shit.  
|
|And you still don't know *what* I know about Charles Mingus, do you?
|(Hint: the answer is "no" because you haven't bothered to consider
|anything I've written.  You *assume* that there's no way I could
|possibly have as much or more musical experience than you or Ray.
|People call this "arrogance" and "magalomaina.")
 
Don't take everything so frickin' personal.  That was a generic you not
you personally.

|"If he flames Ray, I flame him."  Your policy.  Again, grow up.  
|Oh, and by the way, try to lose the silly .edu site predjudice too.
|I've been on Usenet as long as you have.

What .edu predjudice?  I never bothered to even notice that you, personally
were from a .edu site.  My "freshman" comment could have meant "first year
news reader". 


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