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From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan)
Subject: Clinton is a dravidian and speaks tamil and a saivite
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:02:12 GMT



This is the conclusion I made after reading Dr.Selva Kumar (from Waterloo) and
Dr. Kathiravan Krishnamurthy's articles.

Anyone who does not agree with this are anti-tamil and be cursed by the above
doctors using some kural or tholkappiam.

Even US was ruled by dravidians  and all people here were saivite worshipping
Siva and Ravana. Then some sanskrit-speaking aryan invaders came from Europe
and changed most people to Christianity.


Even Yesltin was a saivite speaking tamil in his home. Then some iyengars from
Sri-rangam went to moscow and taught him to speak russian.

All pakistani's are dravidanoids ( i do not know what this means)

RT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: solaiapp@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Olagappan Solaiappan)
Subject: Kannadasan isn't unique 
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: w
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:27:07 GMT

May I just say that there are poets (I mean movie song writers) just as
competetive, if not better, as Kannadasan was, example :

   "Thaneerelae Nee Aluthaal Kanneraithan Yaar Aarivaar
    thanimaieelae nee aluthaal un manathai yaar aarivaar"
                                             - T.R.R  
 (None will recognize a fish crying in the water, in the same way none
  can understand your problem if you cry in solitude) 
- s o l a i i
From: krishnar@dufay.cs.unc.edu (Rajarama Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: moonRaam piRai movie, Re: Kannadasan's thaalaattu - No.4
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:23:05 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov4.122311.90498@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (S. Parthasarhathy) writes:
>
>for example, punnagai mannan had two endings one for A centers (metros) and
>another for B and C (towns and villages). 

I didnt know this. I saw it only in Madras and both of them died in the end.
What was the other ending? Do they fight the evil father (of Rekha) and his
men and unite and live happily ever afterwards? Actually both these endings
are totally predictable since 90% of the Tamil movies end in
"happily-ever-afterwards" mode and the other 10% in the
"hero/heroine-dead/separated-therefore-no-more-story" mode. Some movies whose
endings I liked are pEsum padam, pUvE pU chUdavA, avargaL, avaL oru
thodarkadhai ...

> 
>you can count the number of movies which have revolutionary (at least
>unpredictable) endings (not counting those "art movies").

Slightly confused. Actually the number of Tamil movies are countable. Lets
leave that. But from your own admission number of unpredictable ending movies
is countable (not counting the "art movies"). Counting the "art movies"
the number of unpredictable movies becomes uncountable. Then how did I count
the number of art movies in the first place. I dont know. 

>
>Paarthaa
>ChemEngg

Paarkaattaa ? (Elec engg-aa?)

Rajaram

ps. Just bored. So writing junk postings.
From: elee6eg@rosie.uh.edu (S.SANJAY GOPAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: aaru manamE aaru antha aaNtavan kattaLai aaru.....
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.9NOV199223351293
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov9.050705.19896@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>, kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes...
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNtavan kattaLai aaru
>thEYntha manithan vaazhum vahaikku theivaththin kattalai aaru
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNndavan kattaLai aaru
> 
>onRE solvaar onRE seYvaar uLLaththil uLLathu amaithi
>inpaththil thunpan thunpaththil inpam iRaivan vakuththa niYathi
>sollukku seYhai ponnaahum, varum thunpaththil inpam pattaahum
>intha iraNtu kattaLai aRintha manathil ellaa naNmaYum uNtaahum
>ellaa naNmaYum uNtaahum
> 
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNtavan kattaLai aaru
> 
>unmaYai solli nanmaYai seYthaal ulaham unnitam maYaNGum
>nilai uYarum pothu paNivu koNtaal ulaham unnai vaNaNGum
>unmai eNpathu anpaahum, perum paNivu enpathu paNpaahum
>intha naanku kattaLai aRintha manathil ellaa naNmaYum uNdaahum
>ellaa naNmaYum uNdaahum
> 
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNtavan kattaLai aaru
> 
>aasai, kopam, kaLavu koLpavan pEsath therintha mirugam
>anpu, nanRi, karunai koNtavan manitha vativil theivam
>ithil mirukam enpathu kaLLa manam, uYar theivam enpathu piLLai manam
>Intha aaru kattaLai aRintha manathu aaNtavan vaazhum veLLai manam
>aaNtavan vaazhum veLLai manam
> 
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNdavan kattaLai aaru
>thEYntha manithan vaazhum vahaikku theivaththil kattalai aaru
>aaru manamE aaru, antha aaNtavan kattaLai aaru
> 
>anpudan/anputan,
> 
>V R Kumar 
>-- 
> ----------------------------------------------------
>| V.R.KUMAR, Knowledge-Based Systems Laboratory      |
>| CSIRO Division of Information Technology           |               
>| 6 Giffnock Avenue, North Ryde, NSW 2113, AUSTRALIA |

make u think doesn't it! please keep up the good work!

sanjay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: 'ADIYAE  PODI'....
Summary: 'ADIYAE PODI'....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:39:49 GMT
Keywords: 'ADIYAE PODI'....

In tonight's dance performace by Chithra Visweswaran at Urbana n, she mentioned
that the word 'adiyae podi' in tamil could not be translated.  but, if it 
could be translated, that piece would have been a little more interesting for
many people, i thought.  i could not think of a translation right away and 
up until now.  could some one suggest a translation for 'adiyae podi' in
english.  nanri...

anban,
thayumanavan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: piRakkum pOdhu azhukinRaay iRakkum pOdhu azhukinRaay.....
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:54:59 GMT

piRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
piRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay

oru naaLEnum kavalai illaamal sirikka maRanNdhaay maanidanE
oru naaLEnum kavalai illaamal sirikka maRanNdhaay maanidanE


piRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay

iravin kaNNeer paniththuLi enpaar mukilin kaNNeer mazhai ena solvaar
iravin kaNNeer paniththuLi enpaar mukilin kaNNeer mazhai ena solvaar
iYaRkai azhudhaal ulakam sezhikkum manidhan azhudhaal iYaRkai sirikkum
iYaRkai sirikkum........

piRakkum pOthum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOthum azhukinRaay

annaiyin kaiyil azhuvathu inbam kanniyin kaiyil saayvadhu inbam
annaiYin kaiYil azhuvathu inbam kanniyin kaiyil saayvathu inbam
thannai aRindhaal uNmaiyil inbam thannalam maRanNthaal perum pErinNbam
perum pErinNpam.........

piRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
oru naaLEnum kavalai illaamal sirikka maRanNdhaay maanidanE
oru naaLEnum kavalai illaamal sirikka maRanNdhaay maanidanE
piRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay
iRakkum pOdhum azhukinRaay


anpudan,

V R Kumar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: *IMPORTANT*:  S.C.T FAQ and Tamil Literature Database
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:18:04 GMT

Hi

I am addressing two issues in this post.

The first:
---------
I have been thinking about this for some time. s.c.t to my knowledge
doesn't have an FAQ and answer list. Come to think of it, there aren't
many FAQs except for the which-movie-is-this-song-from or the
tamil-editors-anyone types, and the occassional recipe requests which 
should really go to rec.food.recipes. 

Time we had one, in my opinion. I am willing to edit and collate one,
if there are a few volunteers who'll send me some typical questions 
and answers.

The second issue:
-----------------
There was a program yesterday on The Discovery Channel, in which the
host stated that recently we passed an interesting milestone in 
information technology - for the first time, we have more information
today on computers than on paper. Dont know how they arrived at this
remarkable stats, but anyway that set me off thinking that we should
form an electronic repository for Tamil works too.

We already have a great start, thanks to Dr. K Srinivasan (and others?)
with the Thiruppaavai in wntml (and in palladam too, right? - credit
goes to Dr. T Govindaraj I guess). Dont know if there is a Adami
version too.

I have a  little collection of Tamil movie song lyrics in Adami 
myself. And I have seen quite a few posts of songs in the last 
week, by Sundara Pandian and VR Kumar. Guess there are a lot more 
around too. We wont have any major difficulty finding anonymous ftp
sites that would carry these and Adami, Palladam or wntml versions 
of any other literature that may be of interest to the public. I 
suggest that some of us try and  form an electronic database of
whatever literature we can find. Of course, information need not
be exclusively literature, but we'll talk about that after measuring
the response.

This will generate a lot of interest and discussion I hope.
Some one will start this sometime, anyway, so why not us, now? There 
may be quite a few problems like copyright violations, organization 
and management, and information dispersal strategies. But I think 
it's all worth a try. A few volunteers [I hereby volunteer :-)] 
could take care of editing, organizing etc.

Ok this post has been long enough. Any responses??

Gopu
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From: surendra@endeavour.rutgers.edu (Arun Surendran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Chinna Chinna Aasai : Clarification
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:55:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Some time back, the lyrics for the song "Chinna Chinna Aasai"
	from Roja was posted on the net ..... There was a line
	which went like

	"Chittiraikku mele selai katta aasai"....

	(I hope I read it right)

	CAn someone please explain its meaning?
	Tnanks,
	Surendran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: kuRavanji-ball game-3
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:55:50 GMT

  The poem 2 was posted sometime ago by an anpar. I don't want to repeat.

  "sootaka munkaiyil vaalvaLai kaNdiru
    thOLvaLai ninRaadap  punai
   paataka munchiRu paathamum angkoru
    paavanai koNdaada     naya
   naatakam aadiya thOkai mayilena
    nanagar veethiyilE     aNi
   aatka valli vasantha voiyaari
    adarnthu panth   thaadinaLE!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: ilankai oLiparappu koottu thabanam - A reminiscence
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.162020.20091@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu  
(Affable) writes:
 [stuff deleted]
One of my friends asked me to explain this.

> Another one was the competitor had to answer K.S.Raja's questions for
> about three minutes. He had to avoid "aam", "illai", and no word should
> be repeated three times.
> 
One more rule is there. The competitor should avoid giving answer
in one word.
Here you go: ( a fictitious sample)
KSR: unkalathu peyar?
Competitor: enathu peyar kumararajah.
KSR: unkalathu peyar kumararajah enRRa sonneerkal?
C: ithai naan othukkonduthaan aaka vENdum.
KSR: neenkal enthap pakuthiyilurunthu varukinReerkal?
C: naan vadakizhakku maahanathilurunthu varukinRen.
KSR:appadiyaa?
C: appadithaan enRRu vaithukkoLLungal.
KSR: Neengal ethanaiyavathu varai padithuLLeerkal?
C: naan.... bell sound.
KSR interrupts and says: neenkal "naan" enRRa vaarthaiyai mooNRu
muRai upayokiththathaal ippottiyilirunthu neekkappadukinReerkal.

You've to be very careful and talented to beat K.S.Raja.

Hope this enlightens you, buddy.

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: The War on Behalf of Rama and Ravana
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:25:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45377
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Cool it guys. Your defences of Rama and Ravana are becoming rather
emotional. We don't even know if these are fictious characters
or real ones. Most of their grand characteristics must have been
built by the bards over centuries.

To those of you who consider Ravana as a great Dravidian king
and whose portrayal in "Aryan version" of Ramayana hurts you, I've
heard from my folks that Ravana was born to Brahmin parents!
He became an asura due to his acquiring evil aspirations. Then
he was supposed to have been a great musician and a great warrior.
Ravana was, according to what I've heard, a great player of the
Veena. He was supposed to have lost a Veena competition to 
Saint Agasthya (I wonder where Agasthya learnt his Veena) and so on.
If you want you can add a few more ears and nose to the characteristics
of Rama and Ravana and tell your grand children. 

Though all the epics are very interesting stories, let us not get
carried away too far by them. There could have been many kings
with the name Rama or Ravana. Who knows how many have been mixed
up for their deeds! I remember seeing one Tamil Drama where Ravana
is the hero. He abducts Seetha because she is his daughter! No
kidding. 

If you read these epics, you'd find countless erraneous aspects.
Dasaratha is supposed to have something like 60000 wives! So were
Krishna and Arjuna! They could have made a regiment out of their
wives alone. There is a Rishi called Suga Rishi who has a parrot's
head. There must be many more - like the army of monkeys.  

So just treat these epics as great displays of human imagination
and stop fighting over them. 

Partha sarathy
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:3461 soc.culture.indian:36557
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: On the etymology of "bala"
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:39:11 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu


About a week ago, I postd an article about the etymology of "balam" in
Sanskrit. I attempted to connect it with the root of "valor" etc. It
turns out that there is a better etymology.

I have left out the diacritical marks. Hopefully, this is not a problem.
The books refered to ar standard, and should be available in most
univesity libraries.

Mann, in his 'Indo-European Comparative Dictionary', vol. 1, p. 50 gives
the root "bal". Its derivatives include Phyrigian "balen",
Latin "balivus", Breton "beli" and Irish "baileach". A variant form of the
root caould be "bel". [Sanskrit changes IE a, e, and o to a. So Sanskrit
"bala" can come from either IE "bal" or IE "bel".]

Walde & Pokorny, in their 'Worterbuch der Indo-Germanische Sprachen' give
the root "bel" (vol. 2, p. 110). Related words given are Greek "beltion",
Latin de-bilius, and Slavic(?, the language is abreviated as 'askl' which
would be alt-slavic something) "boljiji" and "bolje".


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: enRRum anpudan!
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:42:15 GMT


 One of the recent tamil movie "enRRum anpudan" passes the mediocrity
of tamil movies.Reminds a little bit of "naan paadum paadal", actually 
very little.Starring: Murali, Sithaara,Rohini,Manorama,Janakaraj and 
Senthil.

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Minnal varigal
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:48:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45378
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	" Vinaaath thaalaip pola Kanaakkanum KaLai !
	  Vidai pola angu nadai podum Paavai !!"

	  - from "Pottu vaitha vatta nila" in "Idhayam".


	  poste by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: skrishna@cocoa-pebbles.ai.mit.edu (Sarath Krishnaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:18:59 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
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In article <BxM1KC.Cvo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov12.045944.12951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
|> >
|> >There was one movie by John Abraham (MalayaLam director) "agraharaththil
|> >Kazhuthai"  was never released in TN theaters thanks to the Brahmin lobby.  It
|>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> This group is very adept in suppressing literature that speaks against their
|> evil ways.

 Sigh.  Good to hear from you again, Mr. Vishnu.  It's been a while.

 I imagine that, like any other lobby (Sri Lankan/TE, or Asian-American, or
any other both here and abroad), this "Brahmin Lobby" is concerned with looking
out for its members.  It's not astonishingly logical to say that everything it
does is evil.  Why not be as factual as possible and say that everything it does
pisses you off.  But, heck, why not turn a movie discussion into a flamewar.
Things were getting boring anyway.


|> 
|> We (the Tamils)  may have inherited this fascination for unrealistic dream 
|> world stories thru our contacts with the irrational Sanskritic literature.
|> Here I am refering to the Sanskritic stories which are similar in spirit
|> to the story of Satyavathi's birth ( A fish swallows semen and later when
|> fishermen cut open the fish, they find two kids etc).

  Or it might be that hideous fascination the human race has with "fiction".
  Glad to know you're on this one.  I'd hate to think that my heritage had 
  any weird fictional parables in it like those in Greek, Celtic, Aztec,
  Inca, Chinese, Japanese, and pretty much every other civilisation.  Darn
  it, let's leave irrational fantasy to those other people!


Sarath.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:36:30 GMT

In article <45769@ogicse.ogi.edu>, partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
|> In article <BxM1KC.Cvo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov12.045944.12951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
|> >>
|> 	[stuff deleted..]
|> >>
|> >>There was one movie by John Abraham (MalayaLam director) "agraharaththil
|> >>Kazhuthai"  was never released in TN theaters thanks to the Brahmin lobby.  It
|> >                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >This group is very adept in suppressing literature that speaks against their
|> >evil ways.
|> >
|> >  [stuff deleted..]
|> 
|> 	Not just this group. There are several "groups" like this all over
|> India. Being a foreigner, though a Tamilian, you are not aware of it. When
|> Sujatha wrote a story in Kumudam, another "group" threatened to burn up
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Kumudam magazines and even their offices. The story was withdrawn out of
|> fear. 

Not just threatened, they in fact did burn copies of Kumudam on a large scale
in a public place in some city. I am aware and angry about the atrocities that
Brahmins and other "higher caste" people have committed, but one should be more
aware of the facts before spewing hatred. If this "group" that Meenan Vishnu
points out is really that adept in suppressing material which speaks against it,
"literature" like the DK mouthpiece ("Viduthalai"?) must have been "suppressed"
long back.

Let me stress that I am no spokesperson for this community or that and that I
am truly saddened about our caste-based divisions and discrimination, but one must
also use some judgement before developing and spreading hatred towards any 
particular community. 

No personal animosity towards Meenan is meant here.

Peace,
Aravind.


 
From: jawahar@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jawahar (HP India))
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:53:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Balakumaran Puthagangal
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil

'Irumbu Kudhiraigal' and 'Karaiyora Mudhalaigal'  are  good books that came 
early.. Among the latest, (came as a serial in vikatan), "Payanigal 
Gavanikkavum" was good. But nowadays, he has started writing for those 
monthly 'pocket' novels and IMO, the seriousness and intense emotions of his
good books are missing in them. If you can get his 'Aedho oru Nadhiyil', give
it a try. It is good. 
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