Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 05:32:56 CST
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: LHO MYSTERY ID
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In article <00965205.DF3F9A80@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 6489mcadamsj@vms.csd.mu.edu (John
McAdams) says:
>

>In article <92349.222607U54778@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U54778@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>Let me suggest that there was no need to have numerous patsies planted in
>>Dallas.  An additional setup at the convention center where the motorcade
>>would evitably end was all that would be needed in addition to Dealey Plaza.
>>
>OK, the Convention Center was a logical place.  But if The Conspiracy was
>going
>to set up in *additional* places, why *just* Dealey Plaza?
>
>But why set up in additional places at all?  Every additional site requires
>the
>recruitment of additional people.
Within my thinking, the natural pressure to keep the "little conspiracy" as
small as possible is one that never leaves my mind.  Posing the convention
as a second site for a setup doesn't necessarily mean that large amounts of
personnel were devoted to it.  In fact, it would be more reasonable to
pose that this was a "distraction" used to draw the security forces away
from Dealey Plaza.  Even if there was a setup there, it may not have taken
the exact form of the one that came about with DP/LHO.  All this speculation
is not to say that we know how, in detail, the killing took place.  It is in
answer to your questions which show a lack of imagination as to how there
could possibly be a conspiracy.  Different scenarios can be entertained
without going outside the bounds of reasonable conjecture.

>Remember, conspiracy theorists believe that
>Oswald was killed because The Conspiracy believed he would "spill the beans."
>Are you saying that other people like Oswald (all potential "bean spillers")
>had been recruited?
>
You keep using the terms "conspiracy theorists" or "The Conspiracy".  It would
be more instructive if you would identify just who you are talking about.
Myriad people have proposed all kinds and forms of conspiracy, scenarios
which differ greatly from each other.  Since the implication in your
questions is to pin us anti-WC advocates down in our own details, could
you perhaps be more detailed in you accusations?  Just whose conspiracy
theory are you talking about, John?  Which detailed theory have you read
about?
The concept of "spilling the beans" is more complex than you pose.  So far,
many different scenarios in these postings have been aired.  Among them,
LHO has different levels of knowledge, from total innocense to total
knowledge of the conspiracy.  "Spilling the beans" could mean anything from
merely mentioning people he thought he was innocently involved with to
naming the gunman.  Could you be more specific?

>And why Dallas?  Remember, if your line of logic is correct, Oswald had to
>have
>been put in place months before Kennedy came to Dallas.  Are you saying that
>The Conspiracy believed that Kennedy would *eventually* come to Dallas, and
>thus had the assassination planned when he came?  Or did they have lots of
>people like Oswald (whether as co-conspirators or patsies) set up in cities
>all over the nation?
>
I thought I was very specific about this in earlier postings, John.   I also
believe that Bruce Schuck has also provided material on this point.  Why
do you keep asking the same questions over and over again?  Are you having
trouble accessing the responses in the net? If not, then either respond with
your rejection of such speculations (and if we are lucky, the details why) or
ask further questions which logically lead from the response.
  It is a fact that it was known well ahead of time that JFK had to come to
Dallas to bolster his campaign. What's the problem here, John?
  If the problem is picturing multiple people involved in a conspiracy, I
would direct your reading to the Lincoln conspiracy where several killers
were running around Washington trying to kill multiple members of Lincoln's
admin.  Or are you still under the grade school impression that Booth was
the only one doing any attempted killing that day?
  As for different cities, if the setups there were similar to Dallas and if
the patsies were innocent then this would not be hard to control and would
not require vast amounts of personnel.  Even if the patsies were not totally
innocent, if still would not require gargantuan efforts.  Studying the
methods of clandestine operations, the fact that everything is kept low keyed
under the precept of "need to know", very few people are needed to control
the patsies.  What is needed in this scenario is training and experience in
setting these things up and this gives us an insight into who could possibly
pull this off, if all this speculation becomes true.  Someone a lot smarter
a lot more cunning than you or I, John.  How much experience do you have in
planning black ops, John?  Perhaps, some reading in how the CIA and CIA
lead personnel pulled off some assassinations in Africa and Central/South
America would give you a basis to start thinking from.
  "Lots of patsies".  What is "lots", John?  two? three? four?  Perhaps
some reading about Arther Vallee in Chicago or Joseph Milteer in Florida or
hints in the record that LHO was planning at one point to move to New York
or the South would give you some thinking material.  Knowing that JFK was
threatened and had some form of attempts on his life in Atlanta and Duluth,
Minn. would suggest to you possible forms that the conspiracy might take.
Again, I suggest reading a little first before preconceiving something
definite in your mind.
>

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