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From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:14:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr9.142915.2865@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>
>		Robert's Random Sampling of Seasoned Motssers
>			(and their Seasonings)
>
>Owen Rowley		Garlic here, too; 

Theres es no such thing as too much Garlic

> anchovies.

NOT!
for that .. no Garlic for you.
For leaving out Chocolate,
none of that either!

Don't forget

Robert Coren 	Rocky Mountain Oysters to match is wit, ....
		and grits :-)


LUX .. owen
-- 
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mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:26:04 GMT

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>FWA:
>>Ah, boots... Why would one wear anything but?

>Weeeell, for dancing I prefer my black Reeboks. (Unfortunately having
>sex standing up wears down the soles very quickly. Dilemma.)

	Most C&W bars won't let you on the floor without real boots.
The onesz that do put down sawdust which is hazardous for the people
who *are* wearing boots...!

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mormon pamphlet
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:18:32 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> 
> In article <cy7wiB3w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US>
> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
> 
> >But what an irrascible, cuddly ditz you are (how's that for
> >juxtaposition?).
> 
> Good enough, for openers.  But as soon as I can get out
> there, I'll show you, ah, more, ah, juxtapositions.  How
> *is* that big juxta, anyway?

It's plotting a junta.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Con '92 Housing
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:30:33 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>Otherwise, of course I'd love a room of my own. I don't mind sharing
>>beds atall. Ask FJ.

>Oh, is he coming too?  I'll rent a red Lincoln Town Car for this extravaganza.

No, he means that I know from experience that sharing a bed with the Big J and
have the most interesting part of that be the forgotten dreams is entirely 
feasible.

Alas dear, if you want to see me you'll have to come over.

Anybody coming over for the 30th of April -Queen's day- should let me know by
now.
							FJ!!
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:10:37 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr2.050811.10616@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.221614.19639@news.mentorg.com>
>     chrism@hpic001.mentorg.com (Chris McCabe) writes:
>
>>  I recently started dating a guy that is a little insecure with himself and
>>is very reluctant to get involved with me because he says :
>
>>  "You could get anybody you want.  Why do you want to go out with me?"
>
>   My lover often says the same thing; the fact is, I think _he's_
>gorgeous and I'm goddam crazy about him.

my so and i *both* say this to each other, in wondering tones.  
we talk about being afraid that the other will "come to her 
senses" and leave on a regular basis.  it's a sign of insecurity.

>>Do you think that people are more comfortable in a relationship if
>>they think that they are more attractive than their partner?

no.  unless you're *really* insecure and need to feel superior
to your lover to feel ok in the relationship.  

>>Surely one fantasizes about being with someone that is gorgeous.

um, yes and no.  i fantasize about all types of people.  including
gorgeous types, but definitely not limited by looks.  

>>What do we really want?

love.  that's easy.  defining love is hard.  

>Here's an interesting
>question from the game SCRUPLES:  Would you rather have an
>average-looking lover who's INCREDIBLE in bed, or a gorgeous one who's
>dull in bed?

that's an easy one!  i want a lover who *loves* me, regardless of
whether they're great in bed or not!  of course, i *am* a good 
teacher... all of my lovers *improve*.  ;) 

have i helped at all?  ;) 
peg
(feeling smug)  ;)  
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:14:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.220205.19633@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr10.211648.22215@cs.ubc.ca>
>manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>
>>This discussion of LGB SF writers just reminded me of a story I once
>>read [...]
>>The real threat was packs of dogs, which had
>>mutated and become (a) intelligent and (b) very homophobic. Something
>>about gay people would set them off and they would tear them to pieces.
>>[...]
>
>I've not read the story, but the image certainly rings true,
>as a metaphor for the kinds of dogs (human) who've mutated
>(lost their humanity) and become packs (note well) of
>snarling, murderous homophobes.  Sounds very much like the
>ones we know so well.
>
And to carry the analogy a little further, those who hide in the closet
get no support from their friends against those homophobes, if they are
found out.  (If the other crewmen had known, they'd have circled the man
at risk...)  You don't have a where a 1"x3" pin that says queer (though
I am right now...), just be out to your friends and family.  Make sure
no one you are (fairly) close to can say "I don't known any gay people"
Make it worth their while to be supportive in the face of wild packs of
slavering dogs...

Sandy, slowly and arthritically, climbs down off of her soapbox....

>-- 
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From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Your Hair...
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:19:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr10.031955.3461
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <92099.134305IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>tane writes:
>
>>Am I the only person who does (in) their own hair?  Right now
>>t's about three inches long all over, brown at the roots,
>>blonde in the middle, orange at the tips, and permed in such a
>>way to have it stand up in spikes.  I do a few other people's
>>hair too, though you'd think they would know better after seeing
>>ome of the ways mine can look.
>
>>Gee, what a self-serving message!  I guess all I can do now is
>>say that if I ever stopped torturing my hair then I'd basically
>>fit Ailsa's list ... tall green-eyed vegetarian et al ... :-)
>
>oooooh!  i LOOOVE creatively colored hair!  when can i move in?
>
>                             -ailsa
>
>p.s. creative hair coloring didn't make the list, as i don't know
>anyone who does that, so i forgot that people do...  but i find it
>very sexy...

The line between creative and silly is a narrow one.....

At one point last summer I had shaved down to 1/4, all except a
fringe in front and in back. The short stuff was dark brown, 
the front fringe was orange, (and
let me assure you, not a color of orange found in nature) and the
back fringe was blonde with food coloring rainbow bits, (done for
gay pride, of course...

I'm a fairly convervative dresser (except for my array of out and
political t-shirts), and I am 10+ years older than the other
undergrads.  The side effect of the hair do is the kids started
talking to me after class; like I was 'one of them' Very strange,
made me realize the heady wine of peer pressure...

Now I just have tortise shell hair - done by dying (sp) the gray
hairs very bright red, but leaving the rest dark brown.  

Sandy			Bisexual by Nature, Soc.motsser by Choice
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Give me some tips on Paris, France, won't you?
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:03:57 GMT

ben@emx.utexas.edu (Ben Sloan) writes:
>I will be visiting France in May for a scientific conference in 
>Dijon.  My question to those of you in the know, a question no
>doubt shared by many of the listeners at home this afternooon,
>is: What might I plan to do or see in Gay Paree?

I suppose since you're in Texas we can forgive you for saying "Paris,
France".  Il n'y a qu'un Paris.  Anyway I have recommended before the
little book "Paris Scene" published by (I now remember) the Gay Men's
Press, in London.  Fairly up-to-date descriptions of the clubs, bars,
shops, and cruising places, as well as an invaluable one-page section
on "Words you won't find in your pocket dictionary".  If you don't get
the book there you can always pick it up at Les Mots a` la Bouche, on
Rue Sainte Croix de la Bretonnerie (ish).

Besides, Paris is of course the Jewelled Lair of Le Jojo, who no doubt
has more to say on the matter.

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re:    re: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:37:25 GMT

Sorry to butt in, but I only know how to follow up, I don't
know how to post (*pathetic sigh* looks at floor, then
up, smiling shyly) but I did wait for a thread with *something*
in common...

What ever happened to the Gala  GLBO choirs addresses?  All 
my mail attempts bounced (I can hear you now "she can't even
figure out posting, *whose* mail problem do you think it is?)

My choir, the Seattle Lesbian and Gay Chorus, is sending about
half the group to gala, a little over 50 members. (We do a killer
Supremes medly, complete with appropriate hand motions for "Stop
in the Name of Love").  

I'd love to hear from other people going, and if there is still
a gala or choir mailing list...

Sandy	who hasn't figured out .sig files either...
QUEER    PROUD    COMPUTER-ILLITERATE   FLUNKING Ada (sez it all)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.210703.20184@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:

>That is correct. I am not a straight boy, but I can not dance to save my life. Will
>my queer card be revoked?

Of course not, if you can't dance, it just means that somebody isn't
doing you right.  I'm sure somebody here can make you dance and sing.


Ry
ry@usl.com
From: broughton@admin.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quebec Condoms
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:17:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: admin.1992Apr6.141733.1
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

In article <3221@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
> Speaking of Quebec condoms, I just heard that Montreal is the first
> place that the new McPizza stuff is happening. Is that true, or are

They are available at EVERY McDonald's across Canada as of about 2 weeks ago --
according to the advertising they are doing. I DON'T know if they are available
in the USA or elsewhere.

As far as pizza goes, they are not bad -- nor are they great. For the price
they are tolerable.

Darrell
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:56:46 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr6.213549.27851@midway.uchicago.edu>,
    elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> You're right.  I take it you wouldn't call Gael Baudino a Big Name,
> but off the top of my head:  Chip Delany, Joanna Russ, Tom Disch,
> Arthur C. Clarke.

Ah yes, Joanna Russ.  When _The Female Man_ first came out
I found it totally unreadable (it isn't plotted in any
fashion I was used to).  I like it better every time I
reread it.  Her story _On Strike Against God (A Lesbian Love
Story)_ is also quite goo if you can find it.

Speaking of Gael Baudino there's a new Dragon book out:
_Dragon Death_.  I just picked it up yesterday but Linda has
already grabbed it.

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:21:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr10.212138.20108
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr10.055822.5580@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>My own opinion of the quality of conversation on IRC is that it's not>
>>very good. Most of the people there are bored undergraduates. 
>>Maybe we could pick a time, open a channel, and have a soc.motss
>>get-together without the Portland sometime.
>Even better than that, let's start a newsgroup for gay issues, and
>have a soc.motss .con _constantly_, all year-round.

You have one, it's called #gblf, the channel for gays, lesbians,
bisexuals, and their friends. AKA GLBO*. A couple of motssers hang out
there from time to time - BBC and Larry (aka ebear).

Having more motssers there would be nice, but on a regular basis? I
don't know. I'm beginning to think I generally prefer store and
forward type systems to real-time things. Besides, it's a major time
sink.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   There is absolutely no other possibility
From: buckmr@RPI.EDU (Rondel K. Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: United Way dumps Boy Scouts of america
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:51:02 GMT

"Copyright 1992 by UPI.
Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
clari.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
phone 1-800-USE-NETS."


	SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) -- The United Way of the Bay Area carried through
its threat Wednesday, and cut off future general funds to the Boy Scouts
of America because of the group's ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders.
	However, the umbrella fundraising group said it would continue to
allow contributors to earmark funds for the Scouts under its Donor
Choice plan. Last year, the United Way raised more than $57 million, of
which the Boy Scouts received $849,000 in allocations and $326,000 in
Donor Choice funds.
	``The United Way deeply regrets that the six local Boy Scout councils
will no longer participate as funded members of The United Way based on
current limitations imposed by their national charter,'' said Charles
Lynch, the local United Way chairman.
	``The Boy Scouts will, as previously agreed, be allocated general
funds raised during the 1991 campaign for distribution through June,
1993. They will not be eligible for future general fund allocations
until such time as our policies are in alignment,'' Lynch added.
	Blake Lewis, a spokesman at Scout national headquarters in Irving,
Tex., said the local Scouts would look for funding elsewhere.
	``We will go out and obtain the funding necessary to continue a
program for the young people of the Bay Area,'' Lewis said. ``We will do
it in a way that will allow us to operate in a manner we feel is proper.
We currently are looking at several funding strategies.''
	The feud between the two agencies boiled over in January when United
Way warned that the Boy Scout councils of San Francisco, Marin, Alameda,
Contra Costa and San Mateo counties risked losing their funding if they
did not open their membership to all children.
	Despite the fact that individual Scout groups in the San Francisco
area have been critical of the ban, United Way said it could no longer
fund them because of the agency's anti-discrimination bylaws.
	The charity group is not the only agency that has taken aim at the
ban. The San Francisco Unified School District has told local Scout
leaders they can not use the city's schools for afterschool meetings
because of the stand.
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Sure you can get aids from a mosquito -- if you have unprotected anal sex 
 with  one!"
From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: SEEN IN THE CHRONICLE
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:17:20 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

Uuugggh!  What is so wrong with showing a penis!  I just LOVE American
conservatives who want to protect me from such things. (NOT)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: new faces for the soc.motss archive (EXTRA EDITION!!!)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:32:15 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) signs off:

 >	Elizabeth D. Zwicky
 >	Hungary when diety.
 >	zwicky@erg.sri.com

I think the diety is looking for a scarifice.  Turkey, perhaps, with
a little Greece.

Mara [yes, deliberately]

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Short Schrift (was Re: Heinlein and sexism)
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:47:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92097.004750IO81409
 <1992Apr4.013122.12984@u.washington.edu> <1992Apr4.023605.20000@macc.wisc.edu>
 <1992Apr4.180511.28554@cs.ubc.ca>
Organization: University of Maine System

hmm...  a few more:

elevator doesn't reach the top floor

a half bubble off plumb

not operating on all thrusters

a few bricks short of a load (or did someone say that already?)

back whne i was 19 and still trying to be heterosexual, i had a
boyfriend who treated me like a cute, dumb girly-girl.  i liked
it actually, as most guys find me a little threatening, at least.
natuseatingly intellectual at worst...  and he wasn't a super-genius,
either...  i think i may have liked it cos i was sick to death of
being treated like a brain...

                                             -ailsa

p.s. this reflection was brought back because the first of those
descriptive phrases was one he used for me...
p.p.s.  and let us not forget: the lights are on, but no one's
home...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:17:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.012422.24749@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>Where did the earlier posters get Arthur C. Clarke?  I've never
>heard that (and am facsinated!)  Tell me sources, please?


Arthur C Clarke is a homosexual.  He lives in south east asia in
his own mansion.  Why SE Asia?  Because they are more tolerant of his
sexual proclivities there.   You see, Mr Clarke is a "renowned" pederast.

These are the stories I have heard from friends in the sci-fi community.



FWA

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.170731.6937@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM
(Rod Williams) writes:
> > dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >I think the most disappointing thing about this episode was
> >learning that Derek Jacobi played Turing as the stuttering
> >Claudius in "I, Claudius".
> 
> That does seem to be his schtick, doesn't it?  At least, in
> Turing's case, it seems the stutter was accurate.  Don't know
> about Claudius.  Anyone remember if Jacobi's Hamlet stuttered?

Don't know about Hamlet, but he did not stutter when we saw him as
Richard II in London.  (And Claudius was a stammerer.)

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"The strongest of all the arguments against interference of the public with
purely personal conduct is that, when it does interfere, the odds are that it
interferes wrongly and in the wrong place." --John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"
From: gnn@mastodon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Book Review
Keywords: Cartoons Essays Queer
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:41:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rq2guINN343
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu
Originator: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

Hi Folks,

	Well, I picked up a book at A Different Light last week that I
thought I would share with y'all.  It's:

_What I Love About Lesbian Politics Is Arguing with People I Agree
With_
By Kris Kovick
Copyright 1991
Alyson Publications
ISBN: 1-55583-128-1
pp)153
Paperback $7.95 (US)

	It's a great book of cartoons and essays!  I liked it a lot.
If you've ever seen the cartoon with the two cows that says "You make
me cream." it's from this book.  The essays are intelligent and very
funny.  The cartoons range from the silly to the sublime.  Here's the
table of contents:

Lesbians
Gay Men
Politics
Pet Tricks
Products
Religion
Therapy
Beyond Therapy

	Each chapter leads off with an essay or two and that's
followed fifteen or twenty cartoons.  My personal favorite cartoon is
where there is a kid in a car saying to it's Mom, "I still don't get
the difference between the boy scouts and NAMBLA."  The book is a
scream IMHO.

Disclaimer: The book is probably considered sexually explicit and
might shock some people.  I generally don't know people who are easily
shocked so I couldn't test this hypothesis.

I recommend it, take that as you will.

Later,
George

-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:04:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Apr13.010433.20995
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry

In article <1992Apr10.191057.28038@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>| Have you read the Portland proposal?  I'm desperately trying
>| to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
>| overflowing with chenille.  (Will I have to wear flats on these
>| hikes?)

>Don't sweat it, hon, Mark said we could rent 'em up there.
>(C'mon Arne, do you really *have* an ice axe? I suspect your
>biceps might be getting more exercise if you did... ;-)

Ice Axe?  (He says, suddenly a bit more attentive.)  I missed the
Portland Con proposal mostly because I doubted I could get up the
money to do it - but partly too because city type things are not
all that terribly interesting to me, but any con with ice axes may
be a thing to stretch for.  My ice axe is bored these days - though
it rides on the back of my bike when I go exploring and I use it as
a walking stick when I go hiking, but the last snow or ice it saw was
back in January.  

Maybe someone could mail me the .con proposal? 

(Should I bring my crampons?  Gawd, how butch this all sounds.)

-- 
jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu  -- Jeff Putnam, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
Newsgroups: soc.motss