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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 01:30:23 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and the malays
Distribution: usa
 <1992Apr11.213331.25105@unlinfo.unl.edu> <92102.230031MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Apr12.194219.8640@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Apr12.194219.8640@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) says:
>
>Why not? This is an example of what I have been talking about - energy
>wasted to point the blaming finger on someone else. If the deforestation
>crisis is to be solved, this unproductive finger pointing must be stop.
>Instead, concentrate on global concerted efforts by everyone to help solve
>the problem. Sure, the demand side of the equation is one aspect that needs
>to be tackled, but equally important is the supply side. Admittedly, the
>hypocrisy of developed countries condemning tropical countries for
>deforestation, yet purchasing its timber products, is pretty sleazy. But
>if we just blame them and expect those slimeballs to solve the problem,
>we're not going to get anywhere. Its not our problem, Its not their
>problem. Its everyone's problem....and its going to remain a problem until
>people start to accept responsibility and do something positive about
>solving it.
>
>>
>>-firdaus azharuddin-
>>petronas maju jaya....
>>kebanggaan negara kita....
>
>I'm not too big on being proud of fossil fuel industries......
this 'fossil fuel' industry is currently the major enhancer of malaysia's
developement. regardless of whether you are a petronas scholar or jpa or mara,
the money for your tuition was probably partially made responsible by petronas.
did you walk to usa?

>
>>come on sing with me.
>>
>
>
>Azran Osman-Rani
>Stanford M.I.A. Group
>(Molly In Action, lah!)

okay, your opinion has been taken into consideration and gladly agreed upon.
however, please note that i do support controlled logging and a strong
replanting plan. i also strongly support the planning of more 'taman negara's.
if we have a strong replanting program, we don't have to stop logging. we
just have to learn to curb our supply AND our buyers will just have to learn
to live with less lumber.

-firdaus azharuddin-
 always looking for a second opinion
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From: lsomasun@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (L Somasundaram)
Subject: NS
Reply-To: lsomasun@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu.
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:59:10 GMT

I refer to the current debate raging on amongst Singaporeans especially men
who are liable for National Service. I am one of the many Singaporeans
disillusioned by the gloomy prospect of having to return to my country
only to help defend my country so that foreigners can have a better life
?
Reservist is costly - our careers depend on it, virtually. Firstly, it is
difficult to get jobs because employers are not willing to release you for
a month or so even though they are not going to pay for the time during 
which your service is lost. Foreigners are preferred; the trouble the
employer goes through obtaining authorization for the foreigner to work
in S'pore certainly seems less than if the employer hired a honest, patriotic
citizen.

Now, I am not against National Service. Don't get me wrong. I am only against
NS because the benefits derived go directly to someone other than a citizen.
The government should consider more and better privileges for reservists
in view of their service to the nation. Tax breaks, HDB purchase priority,
recognition of the scarifices reservists have to make.....are my suggestions.

Singapore is one of the best places to live in the world. It would even be
better if the service of reservists is recognized and appreciated.
From: drukmana@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Didi Rukmana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Abangan
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:00:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


>From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
>
>	Hope some Indonesians can shed some lights on the above term.
>I know what Abangan means, but what are some of the practices that
>qualify a person as an Abangan?
>
>	Thanks in advance.
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

The term 'abangan' is applied to a muslim person or muslim people
who doesn't or don't do what a muslim person/people supposed to
do.  The person who doesn't shalat, fasting, etc.  In Indonesian
ID, one must mention what his/her religion.  Most stated that
islam is his/her religion. Abangan is a person that islam by ID
but not by his/her conduct.

Hope that shed some lights.

Wassalam,
--didi
drukmana@lamar.colostate.edu
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Subject: Re: To speak or not to speak (perfect BM).
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:13:18 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr10.192220.16327@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>>	Kerajaan pusat tidak mempunyai banyak projek-projek di
>>>Kelantan, dan dalam setengah-setengah kes, tidak mahu membiayai projek
>>>di Kelantan kerana masalah yang dihadapi oleh kerajaan Pusat dengan
>>>parti pembangkang di Kelantan.  Cukai tersebut, in all likelihood,
>>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>akan disalurkan di tempat-tempat seperti Kuala Lumpur, dan Seremban,
>>>daripada bandar-bandar di Kelantan.  Kenapa mesti duit YM Sultan
>>>Kelantan digunakan untuk membangunkan bandar-bandar yang bangsa Cina
>>>adalah majoriti ditempat-tempat tersebut.  Saudari juga tahu yang
>>>lebih banyak duit kerajaan pusat pergi ke KL daripada Kota Bharu, dan
>>>dalam kes ini, benda yang sama akan berlaku.  Oleh sebab ini, saya
>>>sebagai Rakyat Kelantan, tidak mempunyai apa-apa masalah pun dengan
>>>perlakuan YM Sultan Ismail Petra dalam perkara diatas.
>>                                                ^^^^^^
>>
>>This is from a person who advocates that one should speak "perfect BM".
>>A person who doesn't speak perfect BM should be stripped off his/her
>>Malaysian citizenship.  So I guess Zam should be stripped of his
>>citizenship.  Further, he claims that he is "sickened" by people
>>who do not speak perfect BM.  He must one really sick guy because 
>>he has to be sick of himself of life.
>>
>>"Cukai tersebut, in all likelyhood, ..." - perfect BM.  This I will remember 
>>for life.
>>
>>Zam, go to Indonesia.
>
>	I will as a tourist later on in my life.  But could you and
>your ilks do us a favor and migrate to PRC or HongKong?  

No, we "the ilks" want to stay and kick people like you out.

>you will feel right at home, and you don't have to learn how to deal
>with the natives anymore...  Best of all, you don't have to give any
>more excuses for your inability to speak perfect BM.

Don't give me anymore of the cock and bull story about not being able
to speak perfect BM.  You in the above paragraph has shown that you
are unable to write perfect BM.  I am sure I can write better BM than 
that.  Shame on you ... and you call yourself a Malaysian.  You can't
even write your own mother tongue properly.

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From: durian28@ecst.csuchico.edu (durian28)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore Jobs Info
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:28:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecst.1992Apr14.042807.21520
Organization: California State University, Chico

I need some help.  I have two interviews at the Singapore Career Job Fair in
San Francisco on APRIL 20 with National Computer Board and Sony System Design
International.  Does anyone has any information on these organizations?
I am also interested to know what is the average salary for an entry level
position for an applicant with a Master's degree in Computer Science working
in Singapore.

Thanks in advance. 
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From: Cynthia Dawood <sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: oh boy...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:51:31 GMT



>>>>>

>From bronze!news.cs.indiana.edu!att!linac!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!mips!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!zam Wed Apr  8 18:43:24 EST 1992

In article <1992Apr8.071100.18244@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee) writes:
>
>In a previous article, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:
>
>>>That'll probably be the last time anyone sees it too...after all, didn't I 
>>>read somewhere that the customs are only not allowed on the palace compounds??
>>>Funny, buying a $2.1M car and driving it in your backyard!!! 
>>>
>>>If that's not classified as DUMB, I dunno what is, eh Zam??? (No need for
>>>apologies Eme)
>>
>>      The joke is on you, dumbo!  The custom officers are not
>>allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
>>confiscating the car.  That is what it is supposed to mean.  If you
>>are going to read between the lines, please do it when you are not
>>suffering from dyslexia.
>
>
>...That'll probably...didn't I read somewhere that "the custom officers
>are not allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
>confiscating the car"??? Anyhow I see it, there is still:
>
>               1 (one) bad sentence structure,
>
>               1 (one) DUMB SULTAN,
>
>               1 (one) DUMB Kelantanese on his Sultan's side.
>
>
>Dumbo the Elephant.
>-- 

        Definitely better than:

1) An unfaithful little bastard whose allegiance is with the PRC.

2) A guy who can't speak BM without that stooopid Chinese accent.

3) A guy who makes "la" an art form.

4) A possible PKM recruit.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif     
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
>>>>>


 Oh Boy... talking about being overly emotional...... hope that releases
the steam.
From: kc@franklin.ee.umr.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore Newsbrief: April 10
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:09:17 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: kc@ee.umr.edu

From: "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar@IGC.ORG>
Subject:      US Base in Singapore
X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU>
Status: OR

    Reuter, Singapore, April 10 - An advance party of 100 U.S. naval
personnel will arrive in Singapore this month to set up a naval
logistics base, the island state's Ministry of Defence said on Friday.
    Singapore agreed with Washington earlier this year to host a
logistics command of the U.S. seventh fleet, now based at Subic Bay in
the Philippines.
    "The unit will start functioning in July and will be completely
built up by December 1992," a ministry statement said.
    The U.S. navy has named the unit in Singapore the Commander,
Logistics Group Western Pacific, it added.
    The unit at Subic Bay was called Commander Task Force 73 and the new
name reflects a shift towards increased use of commercial services and
dockyards not under the control of the U.S. navy, it said.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 10:21:40 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
 <53812@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1992Apr8.195609.22629@athena.mit.edu>
 <1992Apr10.125955.13926@cs.tcd.ie>

In article <1992Apr10.125955.13926@cs.tcd.ie>, jlooi@cs.tcd.ie (Julie Ooi) says:
>
>In <1992Apr8.195609.22629@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd
>Aasif) writes:
>
>>       What the Royalty does with his/her money is none of our
>>business.
>Who do you think supports royalty?  The taxpayers.  So, it becomes their
>business too.
>
>>===------
>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif
>
>--
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>   Julie Ooi                              Telephone: +353-1-7021539
>   Department of Computer Science,        Fax: +353-1-772204
>   Trinity College,                       Telex: 93782 TCD EI

i believe that the royalties in malaysia should have a set code of ethics. if
there is no law, then there would be chaos. only the other rulers in malaysia
can prosecute another ruler. but do you realize that most of the rulers in
malaysia are related by either heritage(same family tree) or my marriage. it's
like having a trial where the jury comprises of your family members. there is
no way that the rulers will be punished for anything.

i totally agree with umno's move to set a code of ethics for the rulers. if all
they are going to do is to spend money and get all the good license plates,
then they should do so in a civilized manner. if they are not going to be good
leaders then the least they can do is to be   good citizens. the last admirable
ruler that i know of was when sultan pahang became the agung. he was excellent.
wish more could be like him.

-firdaus azharuddin-
 penn. state has no royalties. i only need to suck up to the teachers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<KYTAN.92Apr1105657@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
	<1992Apr3.031038.1730@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.031038.1730@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:

>You only have to post a bond if you haven't served in the SAF yet.  I served in
>the SAF before I went overseas.  It improved my self-discipline, I might add.
> 
   if i am not wrong, army is like 2.5 to 3 years???

In my day, it was 2 to 2.5 years depending on whether you failed or passed your
A-levels, respectively.  I think the government wanted to increase it to 3 but
the people objected to it and it was left at 2 to 2.5 years.  I believe our
juniors are most thankful for this.

   if you are 18, 3 years later you will be 21, without the
   mandatory army thing, you would be 3 years older
   possibly wiser and have more self-desciple.
   all this without the army crap!
   if singaporeans were given good education, good discipline
   comes with it.  singaporeans are world reknown to be well
   behaved and well discipline people with good education.
   good education requires good discipline.  females make
   it to university without army but with good discipline
   at 18.  they are subject to the same educational opportunities
   as are the males.

Wiser?  Perhaps.  More self-disciplined?  Possibly but I have my doubts.  Also,
where are you going to get the bonding among male Singaporeans where among the
first items of trivia traded upon meeting are "where did you serve" and all the
great army tales?  :-)

   >Not if copulation doesn't produce any progeny.
   > 
   hey, genteel man, why don't you just say 
   jacking off will not produce children!!!!!

No, my statement is much more encompassing in that it also takes into account
fornication with use of prophylactics and the (non?) results thereof.  :-)

   sigh, my flaming has been mellowed by  your :-) 
   oh welllllllllll

Awww....ain't that a shame...  :-)


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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: bored beyond belief II
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:33:23 GMT

Let's talk bolasepak !!!! So...anyone knows when the season starts ?
Hm...I'm glad to know Ngap Sayot is back in division one !!! Watch out
Johor !!!! Kelantan ???? Start wearing shorts instead of long pants....
show those sexy legs lah !!!
How's the hockey team preparing for the Olympics ?
Do you guys/gals think we can grab a medal from badminton ? I believe 
Foo Kok Keong can grind it through any player...the old horse has the
experience. The Sidek brothers are as sharp as ever. Rashid is improving
very quickly.
So.......Eme, I've tried my best to start something different. Hope Zam 
doesn't turn this into a racial issue !!!!
                         ^^^^^^ :-))
                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lsomasun@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (   SOMA !)
Subject: TESTING...
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:12:35 GMT

Just testing.  Please ignore.  Thanks!
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: MRT in KL debate
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:16:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Oh yes!  Finally Malaysians are getting the brains altogether...like
educated society should do...well done people.  Keep that ideas pouring.
(hopefully nobody will start making some racial comments in this
discussion of ours!).

But I need to clarify some things.  I just want to weed out some
Mr.Everything, and remind them that they cannot go on and become the
spokesperson for the M'sian authorities because all they've been
saying are their own opinion of what's going on.  What can they
possibly know about the decision making process and the reasons for
some gov't policies?  Who gave them the rights to speak and justify
certain actions taken by gov't agencies?            

By saying that I'm giving my ideas plainly out front...people can
critize me without I have to justify why certain gov't agencies
behave not ideally.  Saves me from flaming certain packs in this net.
That's all.

See people...Malaysians do know how to discuss properly and we do
have certain better things to talk about other that cursing at each
other.      

Have to run...so people...you made me proud to be a Malaysian.(...if only
the other kind of discussion could be stopped....).

 



 
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.175659.4642@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <s4hg8INN15v@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>>You really think that the Indonesian government is on some kind of crusade?
>>You think they are STRUGGLING?? Against what? Against a couple of
>>courageous students armed with flags and independence slogans and
>>trying desperately to tell the world what is going on in their land but
>>being silenced again and again and again?
>
>It has happened before.  The Indonesian govt, killed many Chinese and
>force the rest to forget their culture.  They are doing exactly the
>same thing now - GENOCIDE.  I hope the world can start to place 
>economic santions against Indonesia and force her to quit East Timor.

	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
the natives.  If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
some other places...

>The Oppressed will always fight the oppressors.

	Yea, but it does not mean they will win...  They can fight for
eternity and yet not have anything to show for it at the end.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.170750.4625@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.190513.29795@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>	Of course you can, comrade Loh!  You and your ilks live by the
>>premise that everything that the Malaysian government does is wrong.
>>You know why?  Because you are born with a hypocrite gen, and there is
>>no way anyone can do that can change your attitude towards the
>>government.  Why don't you all do us a favor and migrate to Hong Kong,
>>because that is probably what you have been aiming for all your time.
>>Malaysia will be better off with people whose loyalty is with Malaysia
>>and not with other states like Singapore, RPC, Taiwan or Hong Kong.
>
>Better still, why don't YOU migrate to Indonesia?  Afterall, you fancy the
>system, where everyone has assimiliated together.  In fact, why don't
>people LIKE you (such as our stupid PM) migrate to Indonesia.  You can
>chop down all the trees there, I don't care.  In fact, why don't you
>migrate to Saudi Arabia.  Yeah you can CHOP down every tree in Saudi
>Arabia.  No trees you ask?  Well, thats what Malaysia will be like
>by the turn of the century.


	Did I hit your nerve button?  Heheheh...  Boy, I thought my
above posting was only applicable to Tech-Loh; apparently, DanC
thought what I said was also correct WRT him.  Thank you DanC for
showing what a wonderful person you are...

	BTW, have you memorized PRC national anthem yet?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:33:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.200603.23106@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:
>>
>>Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
>>the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
>>the Sultan?
>>
>>Just what kind of moronic logic is this?

>	Nothing unusual with the above circumstances.  The Sultan of
>Kelantan refuses to pay the tax assosiated with his car because he
>does not feel he needs to get the federal's approval in doing so.
>Since he has gotten the permission from the Kelantan state government,
>that is all that matter to him and I don't see anything wrong with
>this.

Nothing unusual? you mean this happens all the time? Gosh, how good it must be 
to be a sultan....

I tend to gather from your statement( regarding the sultan choosing not to pay
the tax) that this guy can actually get away with things that normal citizens
wouldn't...What happen to equality?

>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

You are one unbelievable guy! I hate to say this, but you are really a special
creation, because it's people like you that makes everyone else intelligent.
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