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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 09:35:46 EST
From: <IO21094@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Tom...
 <92347.113912TH5733A@auvm.american.edu>

Cut the crap and mail each other direct. This list is for hardcore
music and things related. Personal keyboard conflicts can be
left out. Peace+DG
Xref: sparky alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself:10 talk.bizarre:42526
From: fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: ARE THERE ANY PWEI FANS OUT THERE
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:07:57 GMT
Organization: Nerds On Parade

richg@netcom.com (Rich Graham) writes: 

>Pop? Like, Finger pop'n' music man. I guess it came in the fifty's and
>was gone by the end of the sixtees, But I don't think that's what you mean.
>I assume you are talking about contemporary music that is near the top of
>a chart containing other contemporary music ranked by sales of tapes,
>albums, and cd's, with the highest at the top. One advantage that old
>music has over contemporary music is that we have had plenty of time to
>interpret, and listen to the interpretations of other people, regarding old
>music. But comtemporary music is judged Here, and now, by todays standards,
>as reflected by current events, and current trends. I guess what I am trying
>to say is that knocking pop music is a gross generalisation, and at
>one time or another, songs that appeal to the minutest, most isolated
>segments of our society, rise to the to of the pop charts. It has been
>my experience that people who make that sort of generalisation don't even
>follow the pop charts, and are basing thier assumptions on a few bad years
>in the distant past, when maybe they bought a couple of albums they didn't
>like, because they heard a song on it they thought they liked. Or, maybe
>that was someone else.
>/Rich
>Disclaimer: Ha. Rich Speaks for everybody, everywhere, all the time.
>

....huh?....

Come again?
From: ano@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Kate Bush and Utah Saints
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:10:16 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Reading

fms@athena.mit.edu (fletcher maxwell sandbeck) writes:

>I was just wondering what everybody thought (or if anybody thought) about
>the new Utah Saints album (self-titled).

>In their first hit single Something Good they use the line "Oh, I just
>know that something good is going to happen" from Kate Bush's song
>Cloudbusting as the entire vocal part of the song.

>I personally like it (and I like Kate Bush) because I'm into dancy stuff,
>but I wanted to know what the progressive music fans thought of it.

>Is it flattery or some form of plagiarism?

They actually did ask her permission first, and she didn't mind; in
fact she sold them an extract from the video as well. So at least
they went about it the right way.

I still think it's sacrilege.


<<  Adrian Ogden -- "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat" -- ano@csres.cs.rdg.ac.uk  >>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant: Where are they now?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:52:33 GMT

There's a Gentle Giant newsletter that started not too long ago, and the 
eidtor was in contact with a few of the old GG guys. Here's a repost of some
info on it. 

THE OCCASIONAL GENTLE GIANT NEWSLETTER
> The first issue came out in March of 1992, and is 16 pages
> long.  From the last page:
> 
> "The Occasional Gentle Giant Newsletter was edited by Geir Hasnes
> and published by Classica Forlag AS, Trondheim, Norway, March 1992.
> 100 copies were printed.
> The newsletter will be issued as often as I manage to get it out,
> though not so often as for instance _A New Day_ [ Tull newsletter ].
> It all depends on the number of letters with interesting material
> in it.  Cost will be used to cover production and postage, of which
> the latter is, believe me, awfully high in Norway.  Please don't
> get angry for the price - I or my company will earn nothing for 
> this publication.
> I will take subscriptions for four issues at a time.  Subscription
> prices:  Scandinavia NKR 60.-, Rest of Europe NKR 70.-, Overseas
> NKR 80.-.  The payment should be sent to Classica Forlag AS, Ragnhilds 
> gt. 10, N-7030 Trondheim, Norway.  Postal giro account 0824 01 97538.
> Please don't send cheques in foreign currency, it costs so much to
> cash them.  You may, however, send 6 English pounds or $12 in cash."
> --> marshall@emavp04.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Yes Request: help!
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:08:26 GMT

All these Yes threads and no NFTE --

does anyone on the net have a bootleg of a 90125 show with
Perpetual Change and/or Our Song live?

Please let me know! (I probably have something to trade, but if
you have *this* rarity, I may not! :))

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Newbie
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.193652.7200@metrosoft.com> I wrote:
>
> [some stuff about "Lizard"]
>

Forgot to mention that this is the one place that I'm aware
of that you get to hear Jon Anderson sing for King Crimson.
Determining whether this is a Good Idea or not is left as an
excercise for the reader. :-) 

Gordon

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From: stevep@hpscit.sc.hp.com ()
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:58:26 GMT
Organization: SSG/CSY Pinewood, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpopdlcm.pwd.hp.com


|> The closest I've heard to progressive rock which has renaissance influences
|> is probably parts of Gentle Giant, and I don't know why the group 
|> Renaissance is called that becuase it sounds nothing like music 
|> from that era!  :)

Renaissance means "re-birth". This very neatly sums up the group Renaissance
as they completely changed the line-up after the second album _Illusion_.


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From: mcleman@decwet.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Technically speaking (was Re: Tony Banks vs Keith Emerson)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:43:33 GMT
Reply-To: mcleman@decwet.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


--
I have to agree. I think that Tony Banks is a gifted composer and has 
written some excellent stuff. THe earlier Genesis and such. Emerson is very
technically oriented. For example, trying to play the Erruption from Tarkus
is difficult for me. The ostinato with the left hand on the percussion manual,
coordinated with the right, sometimes brings on dislexia. :-).

Actually one of the easiest pieces by Emerson is Karn Evil Nine, 3rd impression.
With a B3, a moog 3, and a korg, I can do it exactly as he does.

One of my favourites to play is Rondo, from Ars Longa Vita Brevis (The Nice).
All i need is to find a bass player and a drummer to keep the rythym. (Ain't
that why we have drum machines?).



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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: fineston@suncis.ycc.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Subject: RE: Jon and Kitaro
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:37:05 GMT

>Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by Kitaro >featuring
>Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy it but >it
>costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know how it is
>before I lay down the quid.  Thanks in advance.

>			-Scott

	It's pretty good.  I was dissapointed that Jon Anderson only sings on
three or so songs, however.  It sounds a bit like Jon and Vangelis, except
for the fact the fact that Kitaro is filling in for the Van-man.  Although
the music is not as 'sporadic' as Vangelis's, it is beautifully "textured,"
and makes great reading/studying/sleeping music.  I have to admit, though,
that I do not have the attention span to sit through all of the
instrumental stuff.  I suggest buying it used (you should be able to find
plenty of copies sold back by dissatisfied Yes fans).  BTW, don't be
surprised by the "ocean noises" that start the album.
                                            -Jason Finestone
 																																									 		Yale University
                                                   
                                                           
                                                        
                                                           
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu 
Subject: We Will Find Your Album
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:01:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

U.S. Record Finders
P.O. Box 292904
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.
33329


We will hunt garages looking for your requests.  Just drop us a line.
We are also ready to serve any overseas customers.

Thank You

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: The Melodically Challenged
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:33:32 GMT

Mike Borella (borella@cs.ucdavis.edu) wrote:

: The more I listen to Genesis the less I like Banks.  He's competant
: but if they had a more firey keysman I'd probably appreciate their
: recordings more.  

I doubt it -- then it wouldn't be Genesis, it'd be some flashy
band and you'd say there wasn't any music, just solos :^)

: But why do we bother?  Neither Banks nor Emerson has done anything
: mentionable in the last 10 years.

Banks has done stuff like Thirty Threes, Thursday the 12th with
its sampling, and Home By The Sea. That's not really unmentionable.
Not to mention ( :) ) Fading Lights, which uses octaves and fifths
and things he hasn't really used before, so for *him* it's something
new, anyway.

Has Emerson ever used sampling? (I'm not familiar with his solo
work or even ELP! :))

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: R. Sinclair in Boston
Reply-To: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:53:02 GMT

He played the Middle East Club in Cambridge Tuesday night Dec. 15.
The night before he was interviewed on the M.I.T. radio station, and he 
played some tunes in the studio which he said may appear on future releases.
I called him up to see if he could get me into the show (it was 21+ and I'm
only 20), and he was ultra-supportive. The show in Cambridge also had
strange opening performers. Richard's set was about 90 minutes. I had the
opportunity to talk with him at great length afterward. He said "caravan of
Dreams" album has just been deleted in England already, and he's trying to
release it here independently. He mentioned that he had 3 albums of new
material to release (i didn't exactly get the details). The literature that
he distributed at the show said he's been playing in England with Hugh
Hopper in a band called Going Going. He mentioned that he's trying to get 
something together with Peter Bardens of Camel with Andy Ward. Plans are
laid for a tour in April '93 with Caravan of Dreams band. He's a really nice
gent, and the music was swell. Unlike in San Fransicso, he played 2 tunes
from "In the Land of Grey and Pink" (acoustic), some weird bass improv stuff
sort of using some Hatfield material. With his computer guitar he did 
"halfway between Heaven and Earth/It didn't MAtter Anyway". He did loads of
stuff from the new disc as well. He wore his skiing cap the whole time. He
was very energetic and he interacted lots with the audience, he watched the
opening bands with us. Heather was nice, too. If you have any questions
about it, e-mail me. Next time I post (in about a month) I'll include info
on fan club merchandise (addresses, etc.). fin.
-Ely.
From: v078jxag@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Todd Carrozzi)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Dream Theater
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I am planning on getting the latest Dream Theater CD for my brother for
Christmas, but before I did, I figured I'd ask if I should buy him the first
one, and if it exists on CD.  Thanks for any info.
                                        	Todd Carrozzi
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:55:57 GMT

Mike Leipe (mleipe@bcarh3ac.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote:

: |> The feeling given by this book is that Squire was the main
:                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: |> motivating force behind getting rid of Kaye, although Anderson
:    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 
: In the "Yesyears" video Squire, when discussing the formation of the 90125
: Yes, claims that he had always felt that Kaye's departure was "not entirely
: justified", whatever that means.

Maybe he felt GUILTY? :^) :^)

I'm eagerly awaiting a Kaye solo album!!!

(Or a seocnd Squire one -- I'll ask again: Any bootlegs of
the shows he & White did on the West Coast recently!?!)

Scott
From: craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Ose info, anyone?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:43:23 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp. Annapolis Junction, MD

Greetings!

Does anyone have any info on the French (I think) band Ose?
I heard a track from an album of theirs on an Egg Records
sampler and have wanted to get a copy of this album (I'm 
sure it isn't out on CD yet, but hey, give it a week...).
I do know that Richard Pinhas contributed a little Moog 55
work to this release.

Anyone with a copy of this LP that I could convince to make
a tape of for me?

Thanks!
-- 

Regards,

Craig Shipley

      -m------- Craig Shipley	aka: craigs@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com
    ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation 
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-------mmmmmmm- Annapolis Junction, MD 20701   	 (301) 725-5705

  Opinions expressed here, if any, are my own and not Pyramid's.
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Question for all
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <bpw2001-151292182005@m248-35.bgsu.edu> bpw2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Wolfman) writes:
>I have a question for all you, what is the difference, if any between
>alternative music, progressive music, and grunge music?

I guess it depends on what your definition of progressive is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Brian
Take the time to listen to the artists discussed on this board as opposed
to what is discussed on alt.music.alternative, and the answer should start
becoming fairly clear.
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 21965@cs.tulane.edu, piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart) writes:

>IC> guitarist. A guitarist is usually fairly easily identifiable
>IC> because his style determines his sound, hence you can listen to a
>IC> track you have never heard before and identify the lead guitar 
>IC> ... just by sound.
>
>IC> Keyboard players on the other hand have access to a huge variety of
>IC> sounds, and these sounds are far less affected by playing style. So
>IC> any average keyboard player can easily be replaced by any other who
>IC> has the technical competance to play the piece. Provided you use
>IC> the same gear / sounds, no one will notice.
>
>This sounds almost like an instrumental bias on your part.  
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Which way? :-)

>First, a guitarist also has a huge variety of sounds at his disposal,
>depending on guitar, amp, strings, pickups, effects, and more. 

I don't disagree with that, but the fact remains that most guitarist use
a particular guitar / amp combination most of the time, and stick out
very easily.

>Next, any keyboard player has his own
>unique style, as does any guitar player.  It's the inability of the listener
>if that style (guitar, keyboard, or any other instrument, for that matter)
>can't be detected.
 
I still stand by my first post, most keyboard players are not so easily
distinguishable. I am not the only one who thinks this. I remember seeing
a magazine article (either E&MM or SOS) on this self same subject a few years
back saying basically that few keyboard players actually estsblish a recognizable
style.

>A keyboardist does have a wide tonal palette available, thanks to modern
>synthesizer technology, though the guitarist also has this available thanks to
>MIDI technology.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Which most tend not to use and where they do, they are more often than not
thought to be keyboard parts (As in a lot of Mike Rutherfords Guitar synth
work!)

>However, it's the musician's ability to choose sounds that
>suit the song and his playing style that determines overall success.

Yes, and this is why Wakeman and a few others achieve, where so many Keyboard
players seem content to remain with bland preset string washes.

<stuff about yes's style deleted>

>And so it goes.... any change in members throughout Yes's entire history can
>be detected, from the change in drumming when White replaced Bruford, to the
>change in guitar when Rabin replaced Howe.  Whether you like a particular
>formation or not is moot; that the sound has changed remains a fact.

Can't agree more, hence my initial statement that Wakeman was not irellavent

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Ian Coleman      | "My left arm is drifting off into the sunset, how
ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk |  am I going to operate my digital watch now?"
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Question about Curved Air
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:33:54 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


Has the song "Everdance" ever appeared on a Curved Air album (if so,
it's probably the same one as "Back Street Luv" appears on).

Thanks in advance...
--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: group called Modesty Blaise
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:20:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: steiner


Has anyone heard of a group call Modesty Blaise?  They seem to have a
CD out called "Face of the Sun" or something like that.  Does anyone
know what they sound like?

ds
-- 

Dave Steiner
arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Progressive rock Radio
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:15:29 GMT

In article 724546590@wrs.com, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:
>
>>Lets us all use our imagination here for a few minutes. Let's
>>suppose that you work at a radio station that is letting you
>>do a broadcast on progressive music and you can play anything you
>>want. What sort of playlist would you come up with that would run
>>for, say, an hour? What would be the theme of your show (Marillion
>>influenced bands? All these songs feature the Mellotron? Japanese
>>progressives that sing in English? Be creative!) 
>
>I know we've got a few folks on here who were djs, and maybe a few
>who still are (Dave Mandl?).

Yup.  Thanks for the plug, Malcolm.  Saturdays from noon-3 on the
world's greatest radio station, WFMU, East Orange, NJ (91.1 FM).

Having been a lover of mellotron ever since I was wee, I actually DID
a mellotron special a few years ago.  It included everyone from The
Kinks to The Bee Gees to The Moody Blues (of course).  It also
featured an interview with the guy who was then president of the
company (I think they've since folded--again), who knew a lot about
the history of the instrument, etc.  It was fun.

As for "progressive rock" shows, well, me and Tony Coulter
(who is also proprietor of Labyrinth Mail Order--write me for
his address) are probably the two guys who play the most of that
stuff on FMU.  I can post set lists if anyone's interested. Even
though I was raised on "progressive rock," I don't play a hell of
a lot of it on the show, as I think most of it sounds awful and dated
now (I'm talking about ELP, Yes, etc., etc.).  I have played Gentle
Giant, tons of Tull, a bit of Genesis, etc., but I keep it to
a minimum.  I play LOTS of experimental music, but I mix it up.
There's great new music coming out all the time.

>How about radio in general - are there programs and stations out there
>that play this stuff? Who? Where? When? I've almost got my lists of 
>magazines and mailorder ready to post - how about a guide to the vast
>wasteland of radio as we know it today? 
>

I'll be happy to talk about what I play, or what gets played on FMU
in general, if anyone's interested.  I don't want to ramble on about
stuff that no one in this group is interested in.  Let me know.

   --Dave.

P.S.: I'm currently co-editing a book on radio with Neil Strauss.
It's being published by Semiotext(e), and will probably
be called "Radiotext(e)."  Release date: March 1993 or so.

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