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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:07:55 EST
From:         Brian Pearson <MAINT@IND.BITNET>
Subject:      F-key lines, etc.

>I'm planning on changing the default for key.lines to be 2 unless
>someone seriously objects.  That's because with the sorted ordering,
>having only 1 line will only pickup keys 1 through 6, leaving out some
>of the important things like scrolling and cancel.
>
>Of course, you can redefine things so scrolling appears in the first
>six keys, but since people were used to having two lines in previous
>versions, I felt this (unfortunately, non-CUA) default was worth
>changing.
>If someone has serious objections, please let me know ASAP.
>I've also added code to allow previous and next to display deleted
>items:
>
>   NEXT (ANY
>   PREVIOUS (ANY
>
>I've also added code to allow people to refuse to see any CMS windows,
>if
>that really bothers them.  A new CMS.WINDOWS option can be set to NO at
>INITIAL time (or via the windows) to force using linemode style
>question/answer dialogs.

Bravo!  As for non-CUA, standards are nice but sometimes they need to be
revamped.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:31:40 EDT
From:         Kent Fiala <SNOKLF@VM.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Problems with RiceMail and CMS Windows
X-To:         Multiple recipients of list MAILBOOK <MAILBOOK@ricevm1.rice.edu>
              29 Jul 1992 09:18:39 EST from
              <MONTANAN%EVALUN11.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:18:39 EST Rogelio Montanana said:
>The problem is the following: the first time I use the MAIL command with
>CMS.WINDOWS set to YES (that was the only possibility in 92.01.02) after
>an IPL, CMS looses about 1 MB of the available virtual storage. It
>does not happen if I set CMS.WINDOWS to NO. Fortunately I loose the Meg
>only the first time, not every time I send a MAIL; I can get it back doing
>IPL CMS.

You could try this update to MAILB00K:

./ R 66496592          $ 66496593 1
  'SET CMSTYPE HT'
  'NUCXDROP DMSQRG'
  'NUCXDROP DMSQRF'
  'NUCXDROP DMSQRH'
  'NUCXDROP DMSSEF'
  'SET CMSTYPE RT'
  End

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Kent Fiala <snoklf@vm.sas.com>
SAS Institute Inc., Cary NC 27513 USA                 919-677-8000 x6646
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:21:02 EDT
From:         Arthur L Anger <ANGER@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Notebook index creation

May I suggest a simple strategy regarding index creation:
--Maintain an index if it exists
--Delete an outdated index when found (unless it's usually cheaper to update)
--Don't bother creating a new index until there's a need for it
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:10:29 PST
From:         John Wical <UNCJWI@LLUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      set send unprotected

   is it possible to set protected send to NO via the command line?

This option can be set with the menus via:

   options/send/settings/protect send = no

   I'm writing an EXEC and I want to change this option only while the exec is
running, and I can't use the menus since it's not interactive.

John
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:34:40 EDT
From:         Ken Bell <SYKLB@NASAGISS.BITNET>
Subject:      Problems with disconnected SVM running MAIL 920103

I'm using GONE to automatically receive mail in a disconnected service
virtual machine, as we have done for a long time.  Now I'm finding a
couple of problems, at least one of which left this SVM looping all
night until someone noticed it and killed it.

Somehow (probably I edited the notebook manually) the UNREAD NOTEBOOK
and the NOTEINDX got out of sync, so when mail came in, MAIL posted
the "Index Creation" dialogue box and waited (and waited ..) for a
"Proceed" response, which was obviously not forthcoming.  Am I mistaken,
or should this dialogue (and all dialogues) be bypassed if the NOSCREEN
option to MAIL is used?  If this is not the case, then is there some
way to use MAIL to automatically receive mail into the notebook from an
SVM, or is that no longer an option?  Just for reference, my AUTOMAIL is:

          /* AutoMail Exec - Use MAIL to receive mail files */
          address command
          'MAKEBUF'; bufno = rc
          queue 'QUIT'
          'EXEC MAIL ( NOSCREEN'
          'DROPBUF' bufno

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ken Bell (SYKLB@NASAGISS * SYKLB@NASAGISS.GISS.NASA.GOV * 212-678-5545) |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Thanks for any advice, suggestions, commiseration ...
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:48:11 ECT
From:         Amy Salzman <SALZMAN@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RiceMail and VM/ESA & 3390 Model 3

>>because they ran out of virtual memory (CMS/ESA takes up more memory).  We
>>responded by (1) giving users with older accounts more default memory, and
>>             (2) *finally* installing RiceMail in a DCSS, about which there
>>                 has been much prior discussion.
>What sort of VMSIZEs are you talking about?  before and after...
>And this upgrade was to VM/ESA from what VM/xxx?

We upgraded from VM/XA SP2.1  to VM/ESA 1.1.1.  Our current default for VM
accounts is 4M of virtual memory; the accounts with problems had 2M.

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:15:24 +0300
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Return-Receipt-To?
              22 Jul 92 15:51:06 EDT from <Larry.H.Bradley@NRC.CA>

On Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:51:06 EDT <Larry.H.Bradley@NRC.CA> said:
>Our Network Courier (aka MS Mail) system also generates
>Return-Receipt-To: headers ... it would be nice if RiceMail both
>generated and responded to these headers (92.xx release, Richard?)

I'm not familiar with MS mail, but I don't believe that Return-Receipt-To:
is defined in any "standard" such as RFC822/1123 to which RiceMail conforms.

- Lawrence
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:57:10 LCL
From:         Alan Luchuk <PA9690@UTKVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks, Richard.

Richard, thanks for your continued work on MAIL/MAILBOOK.

--Alan
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:24:58 -0700
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From:         LEWIS@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      look at forn

We are having problems with phone renewals.  I know that if we were
keeping up with things we would not allow phone renewals.  We have
phone renewals for students who live in our service region and
might be taking one class a semester on campus.  These people use
and don't abuse this privilege.

Our problem is with people who live in town or on campus usually.
The great line is "I renewed those by phone" after a bill is sent
for fines, and especially after a bill is sent for book
replacement.  Our system, the dying LS/2000, printed the bills so
to it the books were not renewed.  Only staff members and a select
few student workers can do phone renewals.  If we were to adopt
the policy that the system in never wrong, we would be neglecting
human error and the system error (which is common to those who
keep up with that sort of thing).

For this fall we are going to try confirmation numbers.  This makes
sense except it is reversion to a manual system in an automated
circulation environment.

Does anyone have suggestions?  Our Circ Policies Committee will not
be convinced that phone renewals should go.  We are establishing a
review committee for circulation complainants, but they shouldn't
have to spend their days sorting out phone renewal problems.

Help please.   Read on if interested in sleeper books.


On the subject of least likely to circulate books, we
have some good ones.

My apologies to the good librarians of Fargo, ND...

We have Five Years in Fargo : Report of the Commonwealth Fund
Child Health Demonstration in Fargo, North Dakota, 1923-1927.

This book was published in 1929.  Our library purchased it for 60
cents, probably around 1929 considering the University's name
stamped into the book.  This book has not been checked out.

It is almost embarrassing that Clean and Decent : The Fascinating
History of the Bathroom and the Water Closet has been circulated
as recently as 1985.  Our automation office hopes that the readers
were only after a laugh.

Thanks for talking about something besides the weather.


Julia Lewis
Morehead State University
LEWIS@MOREKYPR.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:40:18 EST
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From:         WELDRED@UVMVM.BITNET
Subject: Re: Kickstools: how many, and carpet vs. tile features?

Round metal (standard type) kickstools work equally well on carpet and tile.
They arrive disassembled and, no matter how carefully put together, tend to
revert to their disassembled state when in service.  The hazard to users can
be very serious.  I strongly suggest deforming the screws which hold upper and
lower sections together after assembly to prevent nuts from working off.
Good luck!
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:54:22 CDT
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The weather!
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              24 Jul 1992 15:16:49 EDT from
              <R1MKB%AKRONVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Yeah, I'm sick of it, too.  And very sorry that my beloved Red Sox couldn't
help Cleveland in their race to stay out of the American League cellar...
but if we keep playing the way we have been, we'll help Cleveland stay out of t
he American League East cellar!!!

Kendall

P.S.  One of my best friend's son (age 6) has decided he is a Tribe fan, so
we bought him an Indians pennat at the game Wednesday night.  So fans are
everywhere rooting for the Tribe.  Thought you'd like to know!

Everyone, have a nice weekend.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:48:00 EST
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From:         219 Carmela Kinslow 239-5990 <LK8HMN@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      unbound journals/law reviews

 We area like to hear about the pros and cons of placing single issue journals/l
aw reviews on reserve or
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:04:00 PDT
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From:         Shelia Stigall <SSTIGALL@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Public Service
X-cc:         INNOPAC@MAINE.BITNET

The University of Oregon is conducting a public service self-study.  I am a
member of a staffing task force.  We are currently trying to identify basic
common (core) knowledge, skills and abilities associated with publice service
positions (for example, basic knowledge of the Library system, ability to handle
difficult patron interactions, telephone etiquette...).  We are also trying
to determine how thes KSA's can be attained and tested.  Any help you can
provide will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Shelia Stigall
Stacks Section Supervisor
University of Oregon Knight Library
(503) 346-1913
sstigall@oregon
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:29:20 EDT
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From:         CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: after hours
              27 Jul 1992 10:42:39 EDT from <CXSN@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:42:39 EDT CXSN000 said:
>Could I please get some comments on the following scenario:
>
>Large research library is open 18 to 24 hours per day.  Staffing
>is minimal (circulation).  Is one person sufficient--for security
>purposes would you insist upon two?  Would students be ok or would
>you insist on one permanent staff person?  Is building security the
>purview of separate security staff or could circulation people be
>expected to handle problems?
>
***I worked for a library that was open 24 hrs. a day during the exam period...
it was a large university...we used students to staff it after about 8:00 or
9:00 p.m.    Never have less than 2 people on, or one worker and 1 security
guard....people occasionally have to leave the desk to go to the bathroom, or
get sick before or during their shift.  If you don't have a security guard on
the premises (the best thing, in my opinion) be sure that Campus Security is
readily available and walk-throughs are conducted regularly, like once an hour.

............................................................
| Carol Goodson, Coordinator/Off-Campus Library Services   |
| Ingram Library, WEST GEORGIA COLLEGE                     |
| Carrollton  GA  30118                                    |
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From: ncarriar@UB.D.UMN.EDU (Nancy Carriar)
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Subject: cleaning collections
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:20:00 GMT
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Has anyone cleaned an entire collection due to mold infestation?  How?
What were the related health problems, if any?

Thanks.

Nancy Carriar
University of Minnesota-Duluth
Internet:ncarriar.ub.d.umn.edu
Bitent:ncarriar@umndul
Phone:(218)726-8100
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:02:00 EST
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From:         "George MacDougall - (705)748-1602" <GMACDOUGALL@TRENTU.CA>
Subject:      lcracknell subscription to what appears to be a list server
X-cc:         postmaster <postmaster@idbsu.BITNET>

	Hello

	please remove lcracknell@trentu.ca from the list CIRCPLUS as she is
no longer at the University. I apologize for her not unsubscribing beforehand
or for not knowing the proper syntax for leaving this list gracefully.

							George MacDougall
							gmacdougall@trentu.ca

	Trent University - Computer Services Department - (705) 748-1602
        Peterborough, Ontario - K9J 7B8
From: G_BRUCE@TWU.BITNET
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Subject: 80/20 rule
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:49:00 GMT
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How do you feel about the 80/20 rule?  (That 20% of the stock accounts
for 80% of circulation...Trueswell) Some of his other studies showed
a 90/40 stock to use ratio.  What are the figures for your library?

I am especially interested in the implications of his findings for the
academic library...not just for collection development and/or weeding,
but the manner in which his  "rule" collides with the mission of the
academic (research) library.

I will appreciate your thoughts.

Mary Jo

Mary Jo Bruce m.s.
G_Bruce@TWU
G_Bruce@TWU.THE.NET

Post Office Box 22053          ---------->---------@
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:51:50 EST
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From:         LIBADM6@UCONNVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Patron records

Please reply to the list.  Currently we are very careful at UCONN about which
library staff/student workers get to view the patron record but circulation is
currently decentralized and stand alone.  As we begin to prepare for NOTIS
Circulation implementation (and concommitant decentralization of circulation)
t appears that there is some support for decentralization of access to the
patron record for other than circulation service units so that staff in other
departments can use the patron record as a kind of university directory, etc.
I feel that the NOTIS patron record in its current format contains information
hich goes far beyond what is found in a university directory and that liberal
read only access to this information by library staff is a violation of the
policy the library has always maintained on patron confidentiality.  Have other
sites set up wide access to the patron record?  If so for what purpose(s) and
what is your experience to date?

Nancy M. Orth                     BITNET: LIBADM6@UCONNVM
Head, Circulation/Reserve         FAX:    (203) 486-3593
Homer Babbidge Library            VOICE:  (203) 486-3990
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269-0005
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:42:39 EDT
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From:         CXSN000 <CXSN@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      after hours

Could I please get some comments on the following scenario:

Large research library is open 18 to 24 hours per day.  Staffing
is minimal (circulation).  Is one person sufficient--for security
purposes would you insist upon two?  Would students be ok or would
you insist on one permanent staff person?  Is building security the
purview of separate security staff or could circulation people be
expected to handle problems?

This is rather wide ranging--and pie in the sky:  who would ever get
funding for 18-24 hours opening--but I would appreciate comments.

Suzy Slavin, McGill University Montreal  cxsn@musica.mcgill.ca
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:25:17 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: lists for gardeners

On Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:54:00 EST W.C. DIVENS said:
>Isn't it amazing, the topics  that just sprout up on the ILL
>list!  Why, the 'green' users must wonder how corny notes
>just flower on some listservers.  But ILL-L is indeed fertile
>ground for such discussion.  Mum's the word, however...
>
   My, my....that rainy weather must have moved to the Rustbelt and
done a bit of further rusting on good ol' Rustbelt Bill....since I am
QUITE sure this is the CIRCPLUS list....partly because of what the header
says....partly because I'm not on the ILL-L list any more.  8-)

   Seriously, folks, donning my listowner hat....lets do at least  TRY to
stick to the topic most of the time.  And do our best to keep the chitchat
and offtopic stuff to a minimum.  No, I will never moderate this...and
I'll just sit back and watch, even in the midst of most stuff....but the
weather reports were getting a bit out of hand.....and besides, I didn't
tell you about our 6th year of drought and the canals being shut down
this weekend and.....    8-)


   dan  (once again removing listowner hat)

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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:43:39 PST
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From:         ljmaclean@UCDAVIS.BITNET
Subject:      Shelving bound journals separately

Since we're a Health Sciences Library and use the NLM call numbering scheme, ou
stacks are journals, which works out nicely for our building arrangement).

I have never worked with another arrangement, so cannot compare, but I think
it works out very well for us.  When we need to do stacks shifts -- much more
often for bound journals than for monographs -- it makes it much easier to
implement.

The problems we do encounter are those serials which patrons think of as
journals but which we classify with a monographic call number.  But after a
little experience here, they get good at figuring most of them out.

Lucia MacLean
Carlson Health Sciences Library
University of California, Davis
LJMACLEAN@octavo.ucdavis.edu
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:05:39 EDT
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From:         Mary Kay <R1MKB@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The weather!

Yo Virginia!!! The Tribe thanks you!!!! I don't know what's worse.... Texas
heat or all of this ugly rain!!!! Blech!!!! We've had some HOT summers lately
in 1988 the temps were in the high 90s and into the 100s for weeks. I wouldn't
want to live through that again!!1 (no rain either!!!) Hope everyone had a nice
weekend!!!

Mary Kay--from wet and wild Akron!
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From:         "Ann S. Coates" <ASCOAT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      lists for gardeners

Curator of Slides, Fine Arts Dept.
Phone: 588-5917
This morning the Alan Lacy gardening column mentioned electronic
bulletin boards for people with gardening interests - can anyone
out there post information about joining such a list/discussion
group?  Thanks!
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From:         Mary Kay <R1MKB@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The weather!
              24 Jul 1992 15:54:22 CDT from
              <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Kendall, thanks for the message and the "pep talk" about the Tribe!!! Even
though the weather has been crummy, the Tribe is doing alright!!!! Thanks !

Mary Kay--Wet and Wild Akron, Ohio!
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