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From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: John & Marsha
Date: 19 Jan 93 10:33:46 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Does anyone remember "John & Marsha"?
Their steamily erotic exchanges thrilled us back in the
late forties on the wireless.
Does anyone have a transcript, or better still an original
recording?
I had forgotten about them until I heard a reference
in a Bugs Bunny cartoon recently.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: noel@lonemb.demon.co.uk (noel)
Subject: British passport needs re-newing in Canada
Organization: The Embassy BBS +44-(0)992-448903
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:41:46 +0000

Hello scott@sklib.usask.ca!

22 Jan 93, scott@sklib.usask.ca writes:

 suc> I live in Canada and need to re-new my British passport.
 suc> Any suggestions to scott@sklib.usask.ca
 suc> Thanks ahead.

Try contacting the British High Commission!

Noel

Noel@lonemb.demon.co.uk

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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:47:37 GMT

In article <1jpg6eINN1p7@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:
> In 1483, Richard III denied the title to young Edward on the grounds that
> his father's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville was invalid. It wasn't disputed

I think using Richard III as an object lesson in the correct application
of the rules of succession is pushing it a bit.

Coming next: Henry VIII on family values.

ian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:30:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171640.9681@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>
>Suddenly it feels decadent, but nearly all modern homes in the US
>have more than one room containing a toilet.  My parents live in
>a townhouse (20 yrs old) in Cupertino which has 3 toilets in it.  Two 
>upstairs and one down.  
 
In article <1jmc58INN22d@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
> I guess it's probably a bit unusual but my parents' house in Brighton
> also has three toilets. One downstairs, one in the bathroom and another
> in the shower room. It's a reasonable size semi-detached house, nothing
> out of the ordinary.

This is becoming common everywhere, it seems.  I'm at present in the
middle of house-hunting, and have found that I can come close to guessing
the price of a house knowing only the number of toilets.

Peter.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Guide dog contact in England
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:13:09 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

Sorry to the person from Singapore who started this - I managed to trash
your email by mistake so I don't know who you are.

I phoned the Scottish guide dog organization (0698 884 647).  When I asked
if someone from Singapore would be able to get a dog trained here, her
immediate response was that it was flat impossible at any price for anyone
who wasn't a British citizen, but that she'd check.  She came back a minute
later saying that it wasn't quite that bad, though having some sort of
British status would make a difference.  The person you need to contact is

	Paul Master
	Director of Operations
	Hillfields
	Burghfield Common
	Reading
	Berkshire RG7 3YG

I was under the impression that the Scottish guide dog association was
based in Forfar and completely independent of the English one, so quite
what all this means I have no idea.

And I hereby nominate Curtis Jackson for the 1993 Hasan B. Mutlu Memorial
Challenge Cup for Services to Nationalist Headbangerdom Above and Beyond
the Call of Duty, for trying to start a national-penis-length contest over
guide dog training without even providing a US contact address.

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From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: archaeology and the law
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:02:59 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
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My wife has a semester project on archaeology and the law.
She is especially interested in the law on treasure trove.
Does anyone have any information on similarities between
British and other laws on treasure trove, or perhaps the
consequences of not having any? For "other" read Scandinavian,
Dutch, Irish, countries with legal systems evolved from the
British. Canadian would be especially interesting since the
law on treasure trove has been recently changed (from the
British model to something more suitable to Canadian
circumstances?).

please email me, and thanks.
Eric
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From: rns@ausom.oz.au (Ross Sheehy)
Subject: The weather (request for information)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:53:21 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

This is probably not the newsgroup for this question, but
it is the closest one I could find for the question.

Have their been any significant snowfalls this season
in the Norfolk region? If so, would they have been
sufficient to snow a family inside their house or village?

Please reply by mail to rns%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: Tony Benn to abolish monarchy
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:06:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.123851.17912@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
|> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
|> 
|> >Given Benn's widely-publicised views on the HoC (he thinks it's the
|> >greatest insititution in the universe, would kill - or at least change
|> >constituencies - to get back to it if thrown out, would renounce a
|> >peerage, would ...), I wouldn't imagine he would want to do other than
|> >keep it essentially the same as it is.
|> 
|> with all due respect this is a load of cobblers, which seems to be derived
|> from the media view of Benn.

Appearances are obviously deceptive, then.  My post was based on Tony
Benn's enunciated views about the institution of the HoC.  I admit
that I elaborated it a bit, using historical _fact_.

|> Benn has made it clear that he has substancial criticisms of the democratic
|> process in Britain. This has not prevented him from working within it in
|> order to promote change.

This is also true.  The institution of the HoC is not the whole of the
democratic process in this country.  I stand by the substance of what
I said.
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: guide dogs
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:02:48 GMT

mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:
: In article <1993Jan26.112057.28412@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
: >In article <1993Jan22.102918.27971@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
: >}For obvious reasons this is directed at British readers.
: >
: >Perhaps these reasons are obvious only to British readers.
: >Could you explain? The U.S. has far superior guide dog
: >breeding, training, and placement organisations both in terms
: >of quality and quantity.
: >-- 
: >Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
: >cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
: >DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
: >"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
: 
: I can't remember all of the details, but it seemed to me that the
: person in need was going to be in England when he/she needed the
: guide dog.  There is a 6 month quarantine for animals entering the
: country (or is it the entire UK?), so a guide dog from the US would
: be tied up in a kennel for 6 months while the person tried to
: find other means of assistance.
: 
: Margaret

Pretty nearly: my student is a Singaporean, who has other reasons for
going to Britain. I asked for the address of the British RNIB. I'd hardly
ask Americans for that, would I? - unless of course they are living in
Britain	 in which case for the purposes of this question they are honorary
British. <grin>	
	Jeez, I think people who get jingoistic about guide dogs for the
blind are pathetic.	
	Richard Pennell History NUS
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Urban US (Re: American humo(u)r)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:22:47 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

("Subject: Re: American humo(u)r" seems incongruous to me)
Sean Kelley writes:
>Matthew Huntbach (mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
>: I'm not entirely convinced. After all, part of the explanation
>: of the high murder rate in the USA is drug gangs killing each
>: other. Now if you're going to tell me that the problem is all
>: these people hang around the "bad areas" waiting for
>: passers-by to kill, I'd say that sounds a bit stupid. What is
>: the point of them hanging around the "bad areas" whose
>: reputation is such that no-one passes through them anyway,

As Sean points out these areas are not low-traffic zones,
they have something that attracts outsiders.  A lot of the
mayhem is between rival gangs, but they are also the customers.
Some of the customers.

I live in the aforementioned Richmond, CA.  The way the hi crime
zones work here is that they are mostly segregated (I choose that
word deliberately) into places that are poorly administered by
law enforcement.  For example a lot of the Richmond crime actually
takes place in or adjacent to a place called North Richmond, which
is not policed by Richmond proper but by the county, even tho
it is surrounded by incorporated cities.  Another hi
crime region in Richmond is in a fairly isolated area along
the bay shore that is quite difficult to get to from the rest
of Richmond altho it is quite close to a Yuppie Heaven town.
There are several other examples of this in the Richmond area.
If you look at the other pockets of hi crime in the SF Bay 
Area you can see this kind of thing repeated.  San Pablo next to
Richmond, or E Palo Alto, down in Silicon Valley, are flat-broke
towns (is EPA even incorporated, perhaps not) that can't afford
the law enforcement burden.  Hunter's Point in San Francisco
is sort of isolated from the rest of the city.  It's not a universal;
I don't know how to explain Oakland's problems that way.  But it's
often one of the ingredients.

>: rather than straying into other areas, which we have been
>: assured are often a matter of a "couple of blocks" (whatever
>: that might mean - it's a USA expression, by I assume from
>: context it means a short distance) away?

A few hundred meters can sometimes mean a dramatic change.  Usually a
main thorofare or hiway will be the dividing line but sometimes
just a local political boundary is all it takes.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Postperson Pat. Was Re: Britain and HK
Organization: Citicorp TTI
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:58:22 GMT

Steve McKinty writes:
>I agree wholeheartedly. the same thing happened with 'chairman' being
>twisted into that ugly 'chairperson'. What's wrong with keeping a simple
>genderless term like 'chairman', and addressing the holder as
>"Mister Chairman" or "Madame Chairman" as appropriate?

Around here a lot of people solve the "problem" by using the term
"Chair". A pragmatic choice which should please all non-pedantic
Britons. But why "Chairman" in the first place? Does it imply that
the leaders of early committees had chairs and the others didn't?

Dick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Population of Ireland pre- and post-famine
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:49:01 GMT

In article <28648@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@nuada.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:

|> 
|> How would we react if a story like the great famine's was reported
|> today?
|> 

Dick about for a few months until enough people died so that public
opinion demanded action.  Then send in the Americans under the UN to
shoot a few of the malcontents and hand out a bit of rice.  Pretty
much the same as Robert Peel really.

David.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: emcoop@bnr.ca (hume smith)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
	<1993Jan24.160530.14919@news.columbia.edu>
	<1993Jan24.171109.26913@netcom.com>
	<TSOS.269.727949665@uni-duesseldorf.de>
	<rdavis.728007193@connie.de.convex.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:55:31 GMT

In article <rdavis.728007193@connie.de.convex.com> rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:

   b) Doesn't anyone consider it important to wash their hands before using
   the toilet?                                                 ------

arthur dent once did... myself, no.
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From: martinb@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanisms (was Re: Back from the UK
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:06:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 17540@dcs.qmw.ac.uk, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
[deleted earlier thread]
>>Another classic is the long "u" sound:  only (certain) Americans will 
>>say "It's Toosday, and I've finished tootering and put away the test toobs. 
>>Let's go out for a tooner sandwich...  etc."  It sounds ***terrible*** to me.
>
>This is a feature of some British accents, in particular those of East 
>Anglia. It's heard all the time in Norwich, but sometimes reaches as far
>as Cockney (it's one of the distinguishing features of Cockney, as 
>opposed to, say a south London accent).

For real amusement, listen to Mid/East Anglians pronounce "computer" -
it comes out roughly as "poota" except the "t" is more a glotal stop.

>I've heard it said that a good part of the American accent can be 
>traced back to the fact that East Anglia was the heartland of
>English puritanism, and thus supplied many of the early American
>settlers, thus American English has several features of East Anglian
>English.

There is also a lot of the West Country accent in US English -
especially the nasalisations, and long vowels. I have heard
it argued that this was contributed by settlers from Devon,
and from sailors (many of whom came from that area). No idea
if it's true, but most people seem to believe it if you say
it loadly enough.

Martin


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Americanisms (was Re: Back from the UK)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:30:24 GMT

In article <1jpknaINN3mt@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
>Another classic is the long "u" sound:  only (certain) Americans will 
>say "It's Toosday, and I've finished tootering and put away the test toobs. 
>Let's go out for a tooner sandwich...  etc."  It sounds ***terrible*** to me.

Instead of a mellifluous diphthong, Americans use an ugly pure vowel.

>Also, the "an" sound:  "You cayn't wear paynts on the raynch" is about as 
>close as I can "translate".

Instead of a clear, pure, vowel, Americans use an ugly diphthong.  I
suppose we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Barbara Vaughan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi (Juha Heikkila)
Subject: Re: Regions of England (was Re: london, england)
Organization: Dept. of General Linguistics, University of Helsinki
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:19 GMT

In <1993Jan27.144807.2360@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk
(Guy Barry) writes:

[...]
>region of its own.  But what about the North West?  Does that go all
>the way to the Scottish border, or only as far as the top of
>Lancashire?

>Cue endless debate...

And while you're at it, do you think you'd also be able to
determine where the dividing line between the North and the South
runs in political contexts? Derby and Nottingham perhaps?

An Englishman I met once in Scotland told me that he was from the
South of England. What would the South refer to in this case?
Would it be fair to assume that he was probably not from either
Plymouth or Norwich?


  Juha Heikkila               jheikkil@ling.helsinki.fi
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: london, england
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:48:34 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

>In article <1993Jan19.140157.944@walter.cray.com> cmfb@cray.com (Chris Bone) writes:
>>
>>What always surprises me is how people (media-types and otherwise) refer to
>>British newspapers as The London Times or The London Observer as if they
>>were some London local paper.
>

Its obviously intended to allow the discerning American readership
to differentiate between London rags, and superior products from
up North such as the Manchester Guardian!

Jim Munro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: seperate hot and cold water taps in th
Organization: Not Philips.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:43:06 GMT

In refd article, geoff@tyger.East.Sun.COM writes:
>Don't be surprised if you see a move to separate taps here in the US.
>A report issued a couple of weeks ago points out that the alloys used
>to fabricate taps contain a fairly high proportion of lead, and this
>contaminates any water standing in the tap. Hot water makes things much
>worse. The upshot is that the first cupful of water drawn after a few
>hours may contain lead levels which are way over the recommended
>maxima.

Bollocks!  Nothing to do with taps.  There's absolutely no lead in Brass,
chrome, copper or plastic!  The source of lead that causes the "run taps
for a time in the morning" recommendation is the _solder_ used to join
copper pipes, and these days lead-free solder is required by code.

It too late for me, for the first 30 years of my life I lived in
houses with lead pipes and holding tanks made from lead lined boxes.

In fact, the pipes get covered very quickly with deposits that stop the
lead being leached into the water
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Succession Order
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:22:33 GMT

esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
: 
: It is:
: 
: Queen Elizabeth II
: Prince Charles
: Prince William
: Prince Henry
: Prince Andrew
: Princess Beatrice

		etc etc
Myabe we should adopt the system in pre-colonial Morocco, where the
leaders of differnt parts of Morocco chose the member of the Alawi family
who thye wanted. If there was too much disagreement, the least popular
candidates lost the civil war. Since we are now more civilised than
pre-colonial Moroccans (hah!) to avoid mass killings the civil war could
be held among the claimants and the "leaders" who chose them in say Wembly
Stadium. This would get rid of a few excess leaders and a few excess
Royals. Also a succession struggle mediated by press sports/war
correspondents would have to be more interesting than one presided over by
constitutional pundits.

Richard Pennell History NUS
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From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: Re: The weather (request for information)
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Trading Systems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:22:11 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.125810.13354@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
(Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.095321.5959@ausom.oz.au> rns@ausom.oz.au (Ross
>Sheehy) writes:
>>Have their been any significant snowfalls this season
>>in the Norfolk region? If so, would they have been
>>sufficient to snow a family inside their house or village?
>>
>No. Scotland has had quite a bit of snow, but snow in England
>is increasingly becoming a rarity. There has been none at all
>in London this winter.

   There was some out here at Uxbridge (Just inside the M25) but it didn't
stick, and so I wouldn't be suprised if there had been some in Norfolk.
   As to how much would be required to cut off a house/village, it may not
be much if the road to it was steep and not cleared by the council...

  Anyone from Norfolk here?

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