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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 09:33:37 EST
From: adam <IO21256@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: A few questions and observations
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec18.165647.126@rtsg.mot.com> <8768.18804@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>

     You mention the precident of "losing everything" if you use a sword for
self defense.  I am interested in what the circumstanses of the president
were?  My coworker pointed out that people can understand using a firearm to
defend yourself.  They would consider having a sword to be provocation in and
of itself -- if you had one and knew how to use it you must be looking for
trouble.  Is this the type of thing that happened?  Was it a matter of home
defense or did it happen in the street?  I would feel far safer using a sword
to defend life and limb in my home than in using a gun (this is if me and mine
can't climb out a window and get the H out of there).  It would also seem less
likely that a sword would be used on a fellow member of the household in a
moment of anger.  Guns seem far too easy to just point and pull.

adam.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: mrmike@fasun0.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Subject: Re: Cleaning the uncleanable:
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines, Cincinnati OH
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:14:08 GMT


# In article <38145@cbmvax.commodore.com>, 
# jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:

randell> 	I would suggest using clove oil, if you can
randell> get it (I can provide a supplier's address if
randell> needed). [...]

Dental supply houses usually stock oil of clove.  The "Neat
Bulk Foods" place in the local mall has it too.

randell> 	I've never seen clove oil gum up or disappear
randell> on it's own.  And it does smell wonderful...

Since I grew up in a dentists house, I have to agree with that
one.  I bought some a while back for my blades and it brought
back some great memories.  I use it heavily in my potpourri,
too.
                                                        - MM

P.S. Hi Randell, how's tricks?  Long time no see/hear/etc...
     I run into you in the oddest places...
-- 
passaretti@crd.ge.com           {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!passaret
mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com     {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!michelotti!mrmike
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: stan@fs03.webo.dg.com (Stan Yen)
Subject: USFA NAC#1 Louisville, KY -- ME, WF results
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:16:59 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp.
Keywords: USFA results


Well, to actually throw some bits into the fray which don't
belabour what is stated in the charter of the newsgroup...

Here are the top 3 finishers (from memory) in Men's Epee
and Women's Foil at the first North American Circuit which
was recently held in Louisville, KY (Dec 11-13).

As I said, this is from memory, so, anyone, please correct
me if I'm wrong.  I'm also not sure about some of the
club affiliations.

ME
1. Tristram (sp?) Thompson, Halberstadt (CA)
2. Tamir Bloom, Santelli? (NJ)
3. Chris O'Loughlin, NYAC (NY)


WF
1. Ann Marsh, NYAC? (NY)              ?
2. Suzanne Paxton, PennState (PA)
3. Jane Hall, TannerCity FC (MA)

FWIW to the left v. right thread: Mr. Thompson, Mr. Bloom and Ms. Hall
                                  are all left-handed.

Anyone know the results for MS,MF and WE?


-Stan (Epee, Boston Fencing Club)
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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Left vs Right Handness
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:00:09 GMT

In <1992Dec11.211702.15159@rock.concert.net> penfold@rock.concert.net (Patricia A White -- Oxford University Press -- MIS) writes:

>Don't take this the wrong way but...
>Was this a typo or are you serious?  Britches being designed for
>lefties?  Or righties?  C'mon, I thought knickers were knickers (were
>britches were pants).  Are "they" trying to sell new and improved
>designs for more money?


Its that ole' language barrier again...
Over here, the word 'knickers' is normally used to describe portions of
female underwear. 'Britches' are a style of trousers (or pants, as you'd
probably call them), and you get fencing britches, riding britches etc.
And yes, you get right handed and left handed ones - the fastenings are at
the side - much more common than those that fasten at the back (in fact,
I can't remember ever seeing any)

Cheers,

Andy

-- 
Andy Lewis (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk) | 
Department of Electronics        | A juggler without a theme...
and Computer Science             | 
University of Southampton        |
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Is Clinton a fencer?
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:33:45 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA


One of the gang had just received a just-barely-made-it abdominal touch, and
exclaimed "I guess i inhaled.". 

To which i replied "Not only do you lose the touch ... but you can't run for
President". 

-dk
From: kgorman@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (GORMAN K - PSYCHOLOGY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
Subject: Re: Maraging blades
Keywords: safe
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:45:10 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Dec19.162920.18021@newstand.syr.edu> tbpho@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Lazarus Churchyard) writes:
>
>I was under the impression that maraging blades were specially forged to break
>cleanly - that is to break and leave flat, blunt ends, avoiding any potentially
>dangerous slivering or jaggedness. Anyone verify or disprove this?
>
	This agrees with what I have been told and this is the only reason   
  have been given for their use in Elite competitions. 

Kathleen Gorman
t
Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: forman@fraser.sfu.ca (Pamela Catherine Forman)
Subject: Re: books on fencing, sword fighitng, . . .
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:34:15 GMT

My girlfriend (the one with this UNIX account) has also collected
numerous books on fencing.  We are still waiting for Bac Tau to get
his latest book out.  The best source to get books that you want is a
place called Duthie Books in downtown Vancouver, British Columbia,
Canada.  You may have to wait a few years depending on just what it is
that you are looking for, but they can find it.  Phone number and
address can be posted if people want.

					Alan Stewart
					     -)-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.fencing
From: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Scott Wilson)
Subject: Re: style/SCA
Reply-To: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:58:40 GMT

In article 1@camins.camosun.bc.ca, comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca () writes:
>
> The first posting was my poor attempt at discribing the Bellatrix snap.
> Which to my way of thinking is the core of SCA fighting style. The  basic idea
> in this technique being the ability to transfer energy developed in the lower
> body to the sword.

I think that I would have to disagree that this style is tyhe "core" of the SCA
style. That is but a small part of my fighting as I mentioned I have modified it
such that it is hardly recognisable as a Bellatrix snap. Also there are many 
people who simply use their srength to fight.


>
>The  hanging guard that you discribe is when used with a heater an intergral
>part of a style that in An tir is knowen as the Iron Chicken. It is a highly
>defensive gunfighter style. It is characterized by precise shield work and
>explosive snaps. Unfortunatly it seem also to be characterized by carpel tunnel
>syndrome. This is likely due to a poor technique where people will do proper
>power generation but change the direction of the sword by flicking the wrist.
>It seem that the more proper technique to change the direction of the sword
>is to cork screw the entire arm into the correct postion to hit. Even this
>safer technique, which attemps to keep the wrists from being flicted, has risks.
>These being due the fact that the sword is now rotateing in a plane directly in
>front of the fighter. This will put stress on the wrist since it is a rotation
>in a direction the wrist will not bend. 
>

This type of corkscrew has problems to. Let me say from my own experience that
tennis elbow is a bad thing. I'm hoping to recover in time for war season this
year


>That is all I have to say for now. I will pick this thread up in the New Year.
>To all the best of the season. 
>                              Mackenzie.


Keep swinging,
Brian
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: What We're Doing...
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 17001@gandalf.rutgers.edu, arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands) writes:
>Awefully quiet out here.
>
>Rolf


We're (at least I'm) sitting around the office alternating between 
staring blankly out the window at the rotten weather and toting up
the running, biking, and swimming miles for 1992.  For me:

running		2390 miles (pretty accurate)
biking		2000 miles (fairly accurate estimation)
swimming	200 miles  (guestimation)

You can tell which is my favorite.  Also a very serious FAIR-weather biker.
Funny because that is my best leg in a triathlon.  I have been riding the
trainer some this winter.  And I don't like sloppy mountain biking.
I swam year-round as a child from 1 until 18, I really enjoy taking
several months a year off now.  I lift weights to maintain the upper-body.

So now it is time to put away the journal for 1992 (almost) and break
the seal on 1993's.  The calendar is already very full as I
endeavor to prepare for Western States 100 on June 26th.  The first
50K along the way is coming up just over a month from now.  Time to
get the mileage back up running.

Planning to attempt another assault on World's Toughest this year.
With the intention of winning this time.  None of this losing by
2 minutes after going into the run with a 20 minute lead!!  And
then of course, off to Hawaii for Ironman (the original).  Ha!
We'll see what my back has to say to all that.  May do 
Vineman half-Ironman or the whole schmeel since the race is
in my backyard.

The 'off-season' has been fun but I'm getting the itch to
train all the time again.

---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Re: Thompson Timeless Peddles & Swift Shift
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:36:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.142908.13106@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, mmckenna@bnr.ca (Michael McKenna) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec21.221038.14843@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> FOR SALE:
|> |>  
|> |> Thompson Timeless Transition Adaptor's, Retail for $79.95
|> |> will sell for $50.00 shipping included.  My running career
|> |> was ended by a bike/car accident.  Used once, never raced.
|> |> Already assembled, just needs your cleats.
|> |> 
|> |> Swift Shift from Profile, retail $40.00, will sell for $30.00
|> |> shipping included.  Mounted once, never used.  Shift lever
|> |> adaptors for Profile Aero I, Aero II and Airstryke bars, 
|> |> includes mount, cables, housing and cable stops.
|> |> 
|> |> Aloha Eh!
|> |> Curt
|> |> curt@mcm.hp.com
|>  
|> I would like to buy the Swift shifts - could you post a phone number
|> for me to call as I haven't quite figured out how to send email from
|> within this company.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Mike McKenna
    
   I tried to e-mail you but it got bounced back.  The phone number 
   here at HP is 503-434-8385, home phone is 503-434-5354.

   Thanks for your interest,
   Curt
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Happy holidays!!!
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:35:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Just wanted to wish everyone happy holidays!!!

Remember all those pounds we put on in the next two weeks will take all of 
1993 to take back off.  

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: My off season activities
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:05:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Swimming
Joined a masters club and get my ass kicked two nights a week by a 
very good coach and teammates.

Stretch cords - I got off my lazy butt and set these up in the basement.  
These are good for some dry swimming and isometric-like exercises.

Biking - not much here.  Ride my mountain bike a bit.  A few roads rides and 
mostly (up)hill work.  Water running helps cycling muscles alot.

Running - still recovering from marathon.  Run 3-4 days a week, mostly tempo
and moderate pace stuff (with a few hard runs when needed).

Weights - free weighting (was doing it 2x per week).  Been lazy of late.  
Overdid these a little bit a few weeks ago.

Eating - learning to eat a better diet.

Psyching - for 1993!!!  Planning on the Canadian Ironman race.



Just a typical cabin-fever crazy triathlete.

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Are there any Pro Triathletes on this net
Date: 24 Dec 1992 19:44:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I just wanted to know if there are any pros on this net.  If so, please
email via net, tell me how long you been a pro and tell me about your
racing resume.  I have a couple of questions for you.

gee thanx


Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: What's everybody doing on the off season
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:18:10 GMT

What off-season?
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Thompson Timeless Peddles & Swift Shift
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:10:38 GMT


FOR SALE:
 
Thompson Timeless Transition Adaptor's, Retail for $79.95
will sell for $50.00 shipping included.  My running career
was ended by a bike/car accident.  Used once, never raced.
Already assembled, just needs your cleats.

Swift Shift from Profile, retail $40.00, will sell for $30.00
shipping included.  Mounted once, never used.  Shift lever
adaptors for Profile Aero I, Aero II and Airstryke bars, 
includes mount, cables, housing and cable stops.

Aloha Eh!
Curt
curt@mcm.hp.com
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:38:00 GMT
Subject: Annual Triathlon Whine List
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon


Before  anyone  else beats me to the punch I thought  I'd start an  "annual
triathlon whine" list.


Here goes:

1) Entry  fees  are too  high.  I don't  want  food,  or  shirts,  or water
   bottles.  All I want is a $20 race fee.  How can I afford a $60 race fee
   when my bike cost $800!?

2) The swim is too short  compared to the other events.  I train my ass off
   in the pool and then get passed by all these wetsuit-wearing-bikies.

3) Drafting is rampant and it's  because the  officials  don't  enforce the
   rules.  (god forbid we should  blame the athletes  with this "if I don't
   get caught then I'm not cheating" attitude!!!!).

4) Wetsuits suck.  If you get cold cuz yer so slow then you shouldn't be in
   the race.  Anyone can train and learn to swim faster.

5) Everyone buys speed via technology  instead of training hard.  Damn that
   Mark  Allen!  I know I could  beat that lazy butt if he didn't  have all
   that high-tech bike garbage that he gets for *FREE*!

6) TriFed/USA  is  spending  too much money on getting  into the  Olympics.
   Hey, I have no idea how much they  spend but I'm sure it's way too much!
   How about spending that money on lower entry fees, or more officials, or
   free aero-equipment?

And while we're at it .  .  .

7) The  triathlon  is too hard.  The events are too long, it takes too much
   training  time, and it hurts too much to race.  The events  should  have
   long rest breaks between them and the slowest times should win!

-- LSC

P.S.  No, I don't  really  think  this group  whines  too much but we (as a
      sport)  sure do spend alot of time  "discussing"  this stuff over and
      over and over and over .  .  .  .
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: What's everybody doing on the off season
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:22:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.142154.6812@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
|> >> Gee it's awfully quiet on this net, is everybody kicking back now that it
|> >> is the off season?
|> 

What's an "off season"?  A season in which one performs badly? ;-)

|> - Becoming reacquainted with my favorite indoor torture devices:
|>   weights, stairmaster, treadmill, wind trainer, and pool.
                                                        ^^^^
I thought we were working on this attitude, Todd!!!
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Nutrition questions
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:31:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

OK, fellow triathletes.  Time for a new thread of discussion on the net.  

Observation:

I have been feeling run down and kind of lethargic of late.  I traced it to
a recent shift towards poor eating habits.  Put simply, no appetite.  Lack 
of energy prevented me from charging into workouts, and not working out as
much caused a drop in appetite.  

Normally I eat about 2500-3000 cals per day, and add more based upon
the energy expended in the previous day's workouts.  This allows me to eat
adequately w/o eating too much.  I have maintained 170 lbs very well for
about 1 year doing this, while improving performace greatly.  

On Sunday I paid a visit to a local bike shop in East Brunswick, NJ (Rte 18 
Sports for any locals).  The owner was incredible in his triathlon
enthusiasm, having run numerous Ironman and marathon events.  Just that
morning he had run 22 miles, just to maintain fitness.  To keep a long
story short, the discussion fell to nutrition, an age old problem for me.
I purchased and quickly devoured a Twin Lab Ultra Fuel Bar.  I vaguely
remember reading as I tore open the package - 15 g predigested amino acids,
3 g of MCT fat, and the rest of the whopping 500 calories from high
test carbos.  Imagine that, in this mammoth bar the mega-load of energy
and vitamins.  Well, short daylight hours kept me from working out that day,
so I lifted for an hour or so, noticing quite a bit of pep during 
my routine.

On Monday, I ran a 3.2 or so mile loop that I run, figuring I would just run
hard since I didn't have time for a longer workout.  I smoked through the 
run at about 6:30 pace with the greatest of ease.  And when I was done,
I was still very fresh and chomping at the bit, realizing that I could have
gone much faster.  

I have also been eating alot more protein of late, having noticed a 
deficit in my diet of protein sources.  I have focused alot on lean beef 
cuts as my protein source.


Current experiment:

About 5 years ago, I experimented with one of those protein drinks, during
my swim-only years.  After a serving or two, I proceeded to swim some of my
best workouts (8x450 repeats with scarcely a raised heart rate).  

I am following that lead and am going to try ***SUPPLEMENTATION*** with 
a protein drink.  My plan is to drink 1/2 serving (as indicated on the 
package) every other day.  This will be roughly equivalent to the 
nutrition in that Twin Lab Ultra Fuel Bar (400 cals, 18 g amino acids,
the balance from carbos).  My plan is to observe the effect on my swimming
which has been dismal of late, along with my running.  I will hold diet and 
other factors as constant as possible.  


Wanted:

Other athletes' experiences with these protein supplement drinks, or 
other dietary protein effects on performance.  Any comments and thoughts
are appreciated.


Thanks and good training to y'all.  

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: What's everybody doing on the off season
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:49:54 GMT
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Gee it's awfully quiet on this net, is everybody kicking back now that it
is the off season?  Here in Northern Ca. I still get the chance to swim,
run and bike practically everyday  without freezing my b*lls off.  This
was my first year competing in multisport events and will continue to
workout through winter to be even more competitive next season.  So what
is everybody else doing besides being a couch potato for winter.  

jus tring to make conversation

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: mmckenna@bnr.ca (Michael McKenna)
Subject: Re: Thompson Timeless Peddles & Swift Shift
Reply-To: mmckenna@bnr.ca (Michael McKenna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.221038.14843@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins) writes:
|> 
|> FOR SALE:
|>  
|> Thompson Timeless Transition Adaptor's, Retail for $79.95
|> will sell for $50.00 shipping included.  My running career
|> was ended by a bike/car accident.  Used once, never raced.
|> Already assembled, just needs your cleats.
|> 
|> Swift Shift from Profile, retail $40.00, will sell for $30.00
|> shipping included.  Mounted once, never used.  Shift lever
|> adaptors for Profile Aero I, Aero II and Airstryke bars, 
|> includes mount, cables, housing and cable stops.
|> 
|> Aloha Eh!
|> Curt
|> curt@mcm.hp.com
 
I would like to buy the Swift shifts - could you post a phone number
for me to call as I haven't quite figured out how to send email from
within this company.

Thanks,
Mike McKenna
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: What's everybody doing on the off season
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:21:54 GMT

>> Gee it's awfully quiet on this net, is everybody kicking back now that it
>> is the off season?
>> Here in Northern Ca. I still get the chance to swim,
>> run and bike practically everyday  without freezing my b*lls off.  This
>> was my first year competing in multisport events and will continue to
>> workout through winter to be even more competitive next season.  So what
>> is everybody else doing besides being a couch potato for winter.  

- Investing in polypropelyne and other winter fabrics.

- Praying to the sun gods to let the sun come back out from the almost
  daily cloud cover.

- Wishing the days were longer than the nights.

- Becoming reacquainted with my favorite indoor torture devices:
  weights, stairmaster, treadmill, wind trainer, and pool.

- Learning to wear bright and reflective clothing when out running, also
  known as dodging unfriendly, stressed-out drivers.

- Figuring out how to pay for all the races I want to do next year.

- Figuring out how to train for all the races I want to do next year.


Todd Jensen                                  o
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