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From: mort@spool.mu.edu (Martin Wiedmeyer)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ADI 4.2 LaserJet Plotter Driver for R12
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:21:50 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
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hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:
: Does anyone have a solution for the fill problem and speed slowdown of
: the ADI 4.2 Laserjet Plotter driver for R12 (A.1.44)?  AutoCAD says
: they are `working on the problem'.  I need a solution now or its back
: to R11 I go.
: 
: 
: Any suggestions appreciated.
: 

Try upgrading to R12_c1. The driver included there is A.C.04.

--
Marty Wiedmeyer				mort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Systems Engineer			New Vision Computer Solutions
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: parsec@brooke.inesc.pt (PARSEC ESPRIT)
Subject: ASG information ...
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:31:40 GMT



    Hello, 


    I am looking for any information about ASG CADD products.
    Can anyone help me ...

    Thanks all.


    JC
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From: miquels@htsa.aha.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
Subject: Drivers for Viking card & Moniterm monitor?
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:48:19 GMT

I have an Viking Video Controller (1280x960x8) with an 20" Moniterm
monitor. I'd like to use it with Autocad 11, but the driver provided
for Autocad are for version 8 or so, and don't work. I tried every
way to get up-to-date drivers, but the store where I bought this
set say they can't help me. I tried calling their support BBS,
the Rune Stone, but I can't get through.

So: any pointers on where to get drivers for the Viking Video
controller and Autocad would be appreciated. Ftp archives etc,
all hints are very much welcome.

Thanks in advance!, Mike.
----
-- 
%     Miquel van Smoorenburg, Baljuwstraat 20, 2461SL Langeraar, Holland.     %
%   miquels@htsa.aha.nl (school)       miquels@drinkel.nl.mugnet.org (home)   %
%                   Calm down - it's just ones and zeros                      %
From: drake@Autodesk.COM (Dan Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: about co-processors
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:58:45 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

GCAZ0233@GRTHEUN1.BITNET writes:
> some have told me a coprocessor makes really fast the program,others that
> there's only a small increase in speed.does anyone know anything about this:
>   autocad with an 8086 <---> autocad with  8087 ?
>                   80286<---> 80287           ?
>                    386 <---> 387              ?
>        what's the difference in speed ?
> how quick is command "HIDE" ?
> thanks on behalf. Greg.

I don't think it has much effect on HIDE, which tries to avoid floating
point as much as possible.  For most operations, though, the difference
is major.  If you ever work with a coprocessor, you won't be able to
contemplate working without one.

But I'm talking about obsolete versions of AutoCAD here; since
release 10 or thereabouts it has simply *required* a coprocessor (or a
486DX, which has math built in -- and don't even THINK of getting a
486SX).

By the way, the only way to get acceptable performance from HIDE is to
use Release 12.

--
Dan Drake
drake@Autodesk.com
From: millest@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ASG information ...
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:59:37 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct3.103140.7771@inesc.pt>, parsec@brooke.inesc.pt (PARSEC ESPRIT) writes:
> 
> 
>     Hello, 
> 
> 
>     I am looking for any information about ASG CADD products.
>     Can anyone help me ...
> 
>     Thanks all.
> 
> 
>     JC

	hello, 

	the asg packages are great. i am currently using asg
	architectural and asg core at my current job. the way 
	that they are set up will cut your time on a project in 
	half. i suggest anyone involved in architecture and using 
	autocad  purchase the asg packages.

	the only problem that i have come across is the schedule
	manager. but i believe it is just the way we have ours set up.


	stu    	millest@wkuvx1.bitnet


Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Subject: Re: printing with Sun version of acad v12
Reply-To: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:34:59 GMT

In article <KJV.92Oct1192033@tampella.tampella.fi> kjv@tampella.tampella.fi (V{{r{nen Kari) writes:
>
>I could, for example, put "lpr -Pmyps %s" in this variable. That way
>autocad would be able to print the stuff to a printer called "myps".
>
>Seriously, I personally would like to use at least 3 different
>printers: one postscript laser, one A0 HP-plotter drawing on plastics
>and one A1 HP-plotter using paper. And I would like to select the
>printer in AutoCAD's menu and nowhere else! (At least, I can't expect
>that from our +100 users!)

You can write a short lisp function which writes the name of the
printer you want to use to a text file.  In addition you need to
write a short script which is executed through ACADPLCMD.
This script should take the name of the spool file as the first
argument.  It then reads the name of the printer from a file
and gives that name with the -P argument to lpr.

I have done this and it works but I don't have the script here
right now.  The only problem is that with Rel 12 you might forget
to change the printer name file when you choose another printer
(and format) from PLOT dialog.  If anyone has better ideas let us
know.

>PS. The plotting is the only thing I don't like about this new version
>of AutoCAD! Well, there's an another one: when I try to run render,
>all I get is these messages:
>
>		Command: render
>		Initializing...
>		Unable to obtain shared memory.
>		Unable to execute "averendr".
>		XLOAD failed.*Cancel*
>
>I haven't had time to check this out yet... However, at quick reading,
>I didn't find any help from my AutoCAD documentation... This "Unable
>to obtain shared memory" is shown when AutoCAD starts. Don't know
>where it comes from as I am having about 70 MB of free swap space
>right now.

The problem is not in AutoCAD but in your operating system.  Your
kernel has been configured in such a way that it is missing
the shared memory resources.  You need to rebuild the kernel and
include the shared memory resources.  I have done this once
and it is quite straightforward procedure.  Reading the manual
and doing it the first time took me about 15 minutes.

I might be wrong but I think that Sun workstations are delivered
with GENERIC_SMALL kernel configured.  It doesn't include
the shared memory resources.  All you need to do is build the
GENERIC kernel whose configuration is also stored on the disk.
Read the manual.

>Kari Vaaranen              *  (So long, and thanks for all the fish!)

-- 
$---------------------------------------------------------------------$
$   Jari Hiltunen                       e-mail: jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi   $
$   Confucius say: Hope miserable yuppie lose shirt in stock market.  $
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: egiannou@ntb.ch (Vangelis Giannoulas)
Subject: Problem with ADS application
Reply-To: egiannou@ntb.ch
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:46:01 GMT


Hello,

I'm currently developing an ADS application under SunOS and AutoCAD Release 11.
The following problem has occured:

I need to execute an external function - which is correctly defined and registered - in regular
time spaces (i.e. every 1 second).
Unfortunately the structure of an ADS application with its endless loop does not allow this.
The ADS application waits most of the time in the ads_link() call until the user does something.
In my case the user should have the possibility to call an AutoLISP command not only from the
ADS application, but also from another application, which is independent. I realised this by using
message queues to send commands to the ADS application.
I need the ADS application to check this message queue in regular time spaces and if there is
a command in it, to execute it.

Is there a way to do this ?
Maybe there is a much simpler way to solve this problem ?

Every help is appreciated


Vangelis

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:19:33 EDT
From:         Lalit <KMV4@MARIST.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: wanted: sailmaking cad pkg
              26 Sep 1992 21:50:41 EDT from <btcx@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

Hello.
This is in response to a good package. I guess you should try
Unigraphics II (McDonnell Douglas). I have used that software and it
could make complex 3-d models of forgings.

Lalit
From: wolf@Autodesk.COM (Wolf Herda)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: ADI XGA Video Drive
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:13:42 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

$FZAMP2@IRMENEA.BITNET (M. Ferrari) writes:
<> I'm waiting for the IBM XGA graphic board ADI driver (R11) since
<> April '92 from my dealer.
<> Can anybody tell me if such a "ghost" driver exists and/or any
<> other information about it?
<> Is it possible to use another superVGA-type driver to obtain a
<> 1024x768 resolution with the XGA board?
<> 
<> Thanks in advance.
<> 
<> Marco FERRARI
<> ENEA - C.R.E. Frascati - Italy
<> $fzamp2 at irmenea
<>

I'm not sure about R11, but R12 comes with an XGA display driver.



Wolf Herda
wolf@autodesk.com
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:41:32 EST
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Subject:      SUBSCRIBE NEW-LIST Jennifer Osterland

SUBSCRIBE NEW-LIST Jennifer Osterland
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:06:44 -0400
From:         MTPETERS@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ADI XGA Video Drive

Mr. Ferrari,
        YOu could try a thirg
d party driver such as Panacaea.  I'm sure that they have a driver that would su
   pport XGA.

Sincerely ,
Todd Peterson
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: dan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Danilo Silva)
Subject: RE: How to plot a file
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:28:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

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From: dan (Danilo Silva)
Message-Id: <9209301617.AA79559@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
To: clauter@nyx.cs.du.edu
Subject: Re: plotting from a file
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Sep30.020526.2846@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> you write:
>
>
>
>Help please.  I am trying to get a HP 7475A plotter file created by
>AutoCAD R11.0 to plott on a plotter.  (The computer with AutoCAD has no
>plotter and the plotter does not have a computer with AutoCAD).  I am
>using a DOS machine and have tried the "copy /B  file.name com1" and "copy
>file.name com1" commands without any luck.  If you know how to solve this
>problem please email me at clauter@vtssi.vt.edu.  Thank you in advance.
>
>Espen Lauter
>

Hi there,

A plot file is simply a text file, therefore you can use one of the
following commands:

  copy file.plt com1:

  or

  type file.plt >com1:

  remember that you should use com1: (with the :), not only com1

You may also wanna check two little things:
1- Is your plotter connected to com1: ?
2 - Have you set baud rate, parity, etc on this port?
    You should have something close to:  mode com1:9600,8,1,n,r
    This means: 9600 bps
		8 data bits
		1 stop bit
		n no parity
		r retry to connect constantly

If you still can't plot, feel free to write me again,

Dan Silva
dan@lamar.colostate.edu



Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: chan@ece.scarolina.edu (Simon Chan)
Subject: 3-D Profiled Spiral on R.12 ?
Keywords: autocad solid 3-D spiral 
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:20:49 GMT

Hi Guys...
	I just wonder if anyone could tell me how to draw a 3-D
profiled sprial (ie. drill bits or bolts) with AutoCad?

Thanks in advance...

Simon Chan				chan@ece.scarolina.edu
Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering
College of Engineering
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC 29208
From: man7421@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Francis Man)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: autocad runs on UNIX platform
Date: 26 Sep 1992 21:07:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4



	If I installed AutoCAD v.11 in a UNIX workstation and link
	5 to 6 X-terminals to it, will AutoCAD runs slower in each 
	individual X-terminal comparing to a DOS machine ??

	(If the UNIX workstation is a IBM RS6000 w/ 16MB RAM.)

					Thanks

Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 17:19:11 -0400 
From: "Valdis J. Zeps" <vz22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PC board layout tools for AutoCAD

Greetings n.a.c.a,

I am looking to buy a PC board layout environment for our group.
I have looked up several different venders including:
HiWire II, Schema, Tango, OrCAD, MaxEDS, Protel, PADS, AutoPCB.
Of these, only AutoPCB is built around the AutoCAD environment.
This is not a must, but it is handy given the wide use of AutoCAD.
I'm wondering if someone has experience with AutoPCB. Most likely,
we are considering going with either AutoPCB or OrCAD.
I haven't given much specifics in terms of what we need, but standard
features included in both OrCAD and AutoPCB (professional) seem to meet
the bill. Or is there some other AutoCAD PCB tools that I should
consider?

Any thoughts?

thanks,
Valdis Zeps
From: btcx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: wanted:  sailmaking cad pkg
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:50:41 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

please send any responses to this to carcich@cuspif.tn.cornell.edu

i am looking for a cad package that can do the following:

given a three dimensional surface (a sail shape), determine or select or define
flat panels that may be joined together at the edges to make that surface. 

maybe the reverse is a possibility, i.e. given flat panels, determine what
shape they take when connected at the edges and supported in some manner.

the point is to design sails without spending a lot of $$$ on sailcloth
trial-and-error.

any suggestions?

adTHANKSvance

-brian carcich, cornell university, galileo project
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: mcmahon@cad.uccb.ns.ca
Subject: Looking for querying software
Organization: UCCB CAD/CAM Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:49:56 GMT

Good day eh!
	Does anyone know of any PD code to attach attributes to acad objects
and then selectively display them according to boolean queries? This would
be to tag objects uncovered in an archeological dig and then graphically 
look for and view relationships. I don't follow this group often so I hope I
haven't hit on a faq (or atleast a boring one!). thanks

Brian  mcmahon@cad.uccb.ns.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: "Caleb Hess" <hess@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Need a CAD package...
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:56:39 -0500

If you want it for schematics, I strongly suggest a schematic capture 
package instead of a general purpose drawing package.  Things like a
component symbol library and the ability to rubber-band connections
when you move a component make a world of difference.  Check out 
PADS-LOGIC, from CAD Software, or if you're really strapped for cash,
CapFast from Phase Three Logic.  Both of these also produce netlists
that can be imported by simulators or PCB layout packages.  Also, be
sure you get the educational discount price.

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Date: 04 Oct 92 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs) writes:
| > >>The INS is just a group of people doing a job:  
| > >                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
| > >Yeah Sure ! So was the LAPD in the case of Rodney King ! 
| Regarding the immigrant service the positive side would be to support
| and help immigrants, where the negative is to do everything you can do
| against them. 

One of the positive things that the INS could be doing, but does 
ineffectively, is to keep illegal immigrants out.

I have a great deal of trouble with a country which shoots
its own citizens trying to leave.

I don't have a fundamental problem with a country shooting
non-citizens trying to enter illegaly.  [See invasion, responses
too.]


-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: simon@cs.city.ac.uk (Simon Brock-Gunn)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,comp.edu,sci.edu
Subject: I.T. aspects of religion and gender in teaching
Keywords: Religious Education, Information Technology, Equal Opportunities
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:44:12 GMT
Organization: City University, London

The following is a message forwarded from someone who does not have net
access.  All replies to this posting will be forwarded to him.

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I am currently working on a thesis as part of my M.A. on "Information
Technology and Religious Studies".  I am hoping to look at:

+  the various ways I.T. can be used in the teaching of the subject

+  using appropriate software and listing opinions of users

+  a short study of I.T. and Equal Opportunities, with relation to gender.

If anyone has any ideas on how to use I.T. in the teaching of R.S. to 
secondary school pupils (age 12-16), especially on a Nimbus network,
has heard of any appropriate software or software houses or, most
importantly, knows of any suitable books/periodicals, I would be really
grateful to hear from you.

Andrew Underwood
Kings College, London

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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Date: 06 Oct 92 23:41:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs) writes:
| So many jews and other Nazi-persued tried to enter illegally Swiss in
| WWII since Swiss didn't allow them to do so. 

The problem here wasn't the Swiss, but the Nazi's.   

| Our friend has also no problems problems shooting people, which
| try to escape economic collapse and hunger from countries, which still
| suffer from being oeconomic colonies of the first wirld.

The last phrase contains an assumption which is at odds with reality.
Economic collapse in these countries has been brought upon themselves.

| I, for instance, don't have problems with assholes committing suicide
| right now! 

This means you won't be bothering us anymore, correct?
Hasta la vista.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Summary: Birth certificates
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:12:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.005222.635@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.212059.7673@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:

			............................

>Let me point out to you certain immigration policies which are clearly
>designed to discourage immigration from India atleast. When I was
>applying for my Permanent Residency, the INS wanted me to provide them
>with a Birth Certificate as proof of my birthdate. They would NOT
>accept my Passport which also contains my birthdate as proof. Now it
>so turns out that in India, birth certficates are often not issued. So
>one has to go through hoops to produce an affidavit from one's parents
>in India that indeed one was born on a given day. The simple thing for 
>the INS to do in this case would be to accept the Passport as proof.
>But you see Mr. Borders, that is not the way the INS sees it. They are
>only doing a job you see ;-)

This reliance on the use of a birth certificate by minions of the government
has always surprised me.  Except for those birth certificates which have
footprints, how much can anyone tell from a birth certificate?  In fact,
the information on a birth certificate which is valid even a few years 
later consists pretty much of sex and age, except in those places which
allow race.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Date: 04 Oct 92 21:55:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
| Has it ever occurred to you though Mr. Borders, that the 
| policies in themselves may be xenophobic in nature ? 

If the US wishes to be xenophobic and let in no immigrants, that
is entirely the perogative of the US goverment.

You may not assume that I agree with such policies -- I don't.
The attitudes of the US with regards to asians is particularly
discraceful.  Yet that discrace is limited to the treatment
of legally immigrated peoples (like not granting them citizenship).


-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I.N.S.
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:27:54 GMT
	<1992Sep25.212059.7673@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria


sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:

> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Sep22.191857.2642@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sborders@nyx.cs.d
> .edu (Scott Borders) writes:
> >>templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
> >>
> >>>The Immigration & Naturalization Service
> >>>is full of xenophobic, racist bigots!
> >>>Damn them all to Hell!
> >>
> >>The INS is just a group of people doing a job:  
> >                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Yeah Sure ! So was the LAPD in the case of Rodney King ! 

> Why, thank you for taking my orignal post completely out of context!

Its not that away from the context. When you chose a job, you usually
know what you can expect from it and what are the boundaries in the
positive side or negative side of the job's spectrum.

Regarding the immigrant service the positive side would be to support
and help immigrants, where the negative is to do everything you can do
against them. 

Regarding the RKV, LAPD took obviously the negative side, relying on
experience that black people never are heard at court against white
cops. 

If the INS do their job on the negative side they may be called XRB.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au
Subject: sexual
Organization: FCIT, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:05:32 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination