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From: tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:35:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: bluffs.9204080435.AA20819
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Tc Wilson's lips:
> 
> Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
> I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
> very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
> out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't. (no, I'm not going 
> back to the HSSCSI).

    Dunno, I'm not getting any of the sort of problems you've been
describing with ProDOS 8 and the RamFAST/RamFAST.Driver.  Didn't you 
mentioned something about AppleTalk/AppleShare in your system setup?
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From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Max Headshop)
Subject: Re: Piraccy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:41:44 GMT

edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:


>In article <w9Z9iB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> (comp.sys.apple2), flav@bluemoon.rn.com (Jason Jones) writes:
>> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
>He has a Macintosh, but that isn't the point. ZModem was just coming
>into vogue when I left the Apple II pirate scene, and at that point, it
>was a major 'selling point.' YMODEM is acceptable for piracy, but
>XMODEM is almost totally worthless. Morgan not having Y or ZMODEM in
>ProLine makes it worthless for piracy.

Actually, I would say it just makes it worthless.  Or if I'm feeling
really generous, at least worthless for file transfers.  Sorry, but not
supporting a batch protocol is just stupid, and Morgan's off the cuff
slam about zmodem being just for pirates is as good a reason as any not
to buy his software.

>I won't even start about handles and how stupid *they* are... I'm sure
>you appeciate that, Flav, right?

Welp, don't bother to call my BBS, handles (Aliases) are required of all
users.  No one is allowed on with a real name (hell, I even discourage
names that sound real.  I don't care to go into the reasons for it here,
but if you are interested...

Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite in the crowd.  You talk big about
"stealing" and "piracy" and "stupid 9th graders" but then you also mention
helping people set up Pirate Apple II boards.


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From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Finder Icons (again)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:24:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr7.222401.18909
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Apr7.205407.384@cs.rose-hulman.edu> moorera@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>I have an interesting problem.  When the Finder first starts up, none of
>my application icons come up (like the Dolphin for Orca).  But if I close

An "Orca" is a type of whale... Not a type of dolphin... :-) Thats why
the icon is a whale, and why the cute little GNO icon released a while
back is a "No Orca" symbol.

I have no idea what is really wrong with the icons, just thought that
I'd waste some bandwidth... :-)
From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Sys 6 and Transprog
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:30:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

In <1992Apr3.051336.10503@uwm.edu>
greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.002233.154@den.mmc.com> carnahan@possum.den.mmc.com (Rich Carnahan) writes:
>>Anybody had any luck using Transprog with Sys 6?  When I tried it (i.e.,
>>launching apps from Transprog), all that would happen is the shutdown
>>window coming up.
>
>Sounds like you're trying to do this from the Finder. Select return to launch
>application, and it should work. Why you would want to use TP from the
>Finder is beyond me, as the Finder is a launcher itself. Try launching
>another program, and then using TP from there.


        How about because:  1).  Transprog can set the speed (handy for
games!).  2).  Transprog can purge memory (might be necessary after exiting
Finder!).

 
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-gateway.cts.com!mustang@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6 Problems
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:17:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr11.171707.13924
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

I have had two probs with my copy of System 6 -- The speed of my system has
dropped and my vulcan will not install the system.  I know that the vulcan
has probs with sys 6, but can someone tell me how to fix these?  Where can
I find the vulcan driver that is neccessary to use the installer?  Also, on
the matter of speed, could it be that my zip (8/16) is not installed
correctly in the software?  I have the nda & cda & init in, but my system
is running as if the zip isnt even in my computer....Anyway, any replies
(preferrably email) would really be appreciated.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Contest
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 09:19:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.185228.13309@umiami.ir.miami.edu> jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>The old MX-80s and Apple Imagewriter Is are by far the most durable things
>I've ever seen.  I actually put nearly twice the rated number of characters
>on my first print head before it died.  After replacing the print head, it's
>been running strong ever since.  

I'll second that.  I have an Imagewriter here that's almost seven
years old.  Never a problem...didn't even take any oil until
recently, when it started to squeak a little.  A little machine oil
fixed that (they say you're supposed to do that once every few months
anyway).  I also pulled the print head out to clean off several years'
worth of accumulated gunk...something you might consider to make the
printhead last longer.

>The only other thing I know of that lasts like this are old II+ and //e cpus.

Also have a IIe here that's never missed a beat.  Started out with a
mono screen, 128K, and two 5.25" drives.  It now has a RocketChip
10-MHz accelerator, 1-meg RamWorks, DataLink 2400, Timemaster HO,
mouse, RamFAST, and a 40-meg HD.  It's also been hacked a bit...cut a
hole in the bottom of the case for a fan, put in a scratchbuilt linear
power supply for the fan, and drilled holes in the power supply case
to provide ventilation.  Great machine...built to last--no wonder
schools keep buying 'em by the truckload instead of buying other
machines.

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 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!         Fidonet: 1:209/765 or 1:209/211
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: More Sys 6 probs
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:27:58 EDT

mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:

> I can't speak for other programs I haven't seen, but my own IR program lets y
> double-click on DAs, Inits, some GS/OS drivers and Finder Extensions and
> install them immediately without even leaving the Finder.  Not only works wit
> System 6.0, it requires it.  And it's on ftp.apple.com.
> 
> (Feels good to blow my own horn now and then...)
> 

Actually, a small toot is deserved for IR...I was playing with it today 
(instead of studying...this is entirely your fault...) and it _is_ really 
cool. With other extensions to handle sound files, graphics, text files...I 
could never leave the desktop (even to go outside).

One thing...right now, it decides if something is already loaded by checking 
it's pathname. I have a seperate directory on my fourth partition where I 
keep a large collection of DAs, CDevs, Inits etc...would it be possible for 
IR to use a more intelligent method of comparing a clicked-on document with 
loaded the loaded DAs et al? I don't know, version numbers or something?

> ============================================================================
> Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
> Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
> Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.


Marc Sira               |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Why are you always shaaaking yer eyeballs?"
                        '
From: fadden@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Geek Benchmarks
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:24:40 GMT
Organization: Amdahl

In article <3TPsiB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca>, toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
|> Out of curiousity, I tried a couple of benchmarks comparing Systems 6.0 and
|> 5.04 just now. The results are less interesting than you might think, but
|> here they are for posterity.
|>  
|> Booting a no DAs/Inits System 5.04 : 10 seconds
|> "Shift-booting" System 6 : 18 seconds
[...]
|> All the benchmarks are on an unaccelerated ROM 01 with a RamFAST D/256 and
|> a Conner 100MB 16ms drive.

Interesting.  I can boot Sys6 in 10-12 seconds fully loaded, and in 5 seconds
flat with the shift key down.  Guess the Zip helps quite a bit.

|> Strange observation: The calculate button for the above folder returned
|> 3,939,424 bytes, 4066k on disk in System 6 (makes sense, if the first value
|> includes only data blocks, and the second counts directory/index blocks).
|> The button in System 5 returned only 3,546,208 bytes, but still 4066k on 
|> disk.

I've noticed that sometimes the 5.0.4 Finder returned a byte count that was
WAY off.  One time it said 1.5M bytes, with 4MB on disk (the second one was
correct).  The new Finder didn't have this problem.

|> Marc Sira               |

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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Orca assembler weirdness
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:02:23 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I typed in and assembled the following under Orca/M 2.0:

foo1       DATA
bar        equ   $00
           END


foo2       DATA
bar        equ   $00
           END


foo3       START
           lda   bar
           END

The assembler had no problems.  The linker gave me two errors: in foo2,
it said that "bar" was redefined.  In foo3, it said that "bar" was an
unresolved reference.

Makes you wonder what's getting fed to the linker.  Gotta love private global
variables.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Petar E Puskarich)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Contest
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:15:33 GMT

Does anyone out there have the original AppleWriter 1.0  ??????

I do with the manual.  That is how I got Appleworks GS on the upgrade.
Whatever works!  

Or how about an old Bell and Howell black Apple II with all the socketed 
Chips.  The only machine I have that has never broken.

Later,

Petar Puskarich
ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: lang@cs.tulane.edu (Raymond Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 & AMR 3.5" 800K drive
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:31:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.193116.3974
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3934]: saturn



In article <1992Apr03.001239.24817@edsi.plexus.COM> cranem@edsi.plexus.COM  
(Mike Crane) writes:
> I just downloaded five of the six System 6 disks from GEnie last night
> (I didn't bother to get Synthlab -- yet) and installed them on my ROM 01
> GS.  Everything seems to be working fine...except for my non-Apple 3.5"
> drive.  Whether I am running the Finder or any other program, if the
> program scans drives, the system will hang on scanning the AMR drive and
> won't continue until I put a disk in that drive (if there isn't one in
> there already).  Any clues, suggestions, or expressions of sympathy? :)

This isn't new under 6.0. I had the same problem under 5.04 when the
AMR drive was the first device on the smartport chain, i.e., there always
had to be a disk in the drive.

Ray Lang
lang@cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Subject: Re: FontSel 1/1
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:37:46 GMT

In article <uki5iB2w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood) writes:
>greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:
>> Uhh... Doesn't pointless only save a 12 point font bitmap? I haven't been
>> able to save selectable sizes... (Otherwise I'd be using Davy's Other Dings)

>        I think you should read your manual again.  When you click on the 
>"Save Bitmap" button, a StndFile dialog pops up, with a default save name 
>of "X.12", where "X" is the font that you currently have selected from the 
>CDev.  Simple overwrite the "12" with the point size that you want to 
>bitmap, and Pointless will take it from there.  A very intelligent 
>interface, if a little out of the HI Guidelines.  I can see how it could 
>be easily overlooked -- I had to rip out my manual to be sure.

Uh, I had already looked this up by this point. I just installed, and
never looked at the book. (Andy told me to look I believe) I did get
a 200 pt Davy's Dings down, but some of the chars are messed up. When
I re-bitmap, different ones are messed up. Weird.
From: delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: FontSel 1/1
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:18:37 GMT
Organization: AECL RESEARCH

Just change the number in the name to the size you want.  But them you should read the docs too for a full expaination.
From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Re: Apple Using third party
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:11:32 GMT

mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:

>In article <1992Mar28.121629.338@crash.cts.com>, larry@pro-odyssey.cts.com (was 6.0) writes:

>> Not to criticize and take away from the team that developed 6.0 but why make
>> a driver that supports the TrueType/QuickDraw StyleWriter and not one for the
>> TrueType/QuickDraw Personal Laserwriter LS. Could it be that Apple Computer
>> Inc. is trying to shove an inferior product over to us?

>Could it be, yet again, that there exists a conspiracy vacuum and nature is
>rushing to fill it again?

>1)  The StyleWriter costs $399 ($599 at the time) and has 360-dpi
>    resolution.  It is hard to program for.
>    
>2)  The Personal LaserWriter LS costs $1300 and has 300-dpi resolution.
>    It is even harder to program for; not only do you have to position
>    all the bits yourself, but you have to blink the status lights,
>    start the laser beam, feed the paper and basically do everything
>    you assume a "laser printer" does.

>Given you only had time or resources to develop a driver for _one_ of
>these printers, which one would a) be done quicker and b) be for a
>printer a IIgs owner has a reasonable chance of buying?

Given that with a little shopping, you can get an HP LaserJet IIP, a decent
parallel card, and Harmonie 2.0 for around $1000, WHY would you want a
Personal Laserwriter LS anyway?  Not only is the HP cheaper, but you stand a
better chance of making it work with just about any other machine you happen
to have sitting around.

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
From: STEIN@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (Alan Stein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6 Problem
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:20:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


  I've come up with a problem I've never had before I installed System 6:
The reset key doesn't work sometimes.

  I've found that my system bombs at times it never bombed before, and I'm
unable to use the reset key to reboot.  I have to turn the power off, and
then back on again.  (Not always, but sometimes.)

  I've been mostly using CoPilot, GECopilot, and Kermit 387, working under
Prosel 16.


  Alan H. Stein                stein@uconnvm.bitnet
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (This is not really my name)
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:54:03 GMT

shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:

>                                I work for Ron Lichty with the Macintosh
>Finder Team.

Uh-Oh.

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From: quest@edsi.plexus.COM (Scott Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:19:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr09.121912.26124
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:


>>
>>    The Apple II line has made a signifigant contribution to personal
>>omputer technology, but the day of the Apple II line is gone.  It's
>>ead.  Finished.  History.

>I'm assuming this was an April 1 posting...

>GS/OS 6 is NOT a program launcher.  If you don't like the Finder
>then replace it with something else.

>Just by being on this net.sig, I'm sure you have noticed all the
>nifty things coming out on c.b.a2, and stuff being refered to here
>in the messages.  So you can't walk into the software store anymore
>and buy Apple II things... So &$&^%@ what!  Apple II's started as
>homebrew machines, and they still are today, more than ever.

I say mass mail time for the wonderful IBM user that started this
thread.  Just pummel him with a piece of mail from every site where this
is read.  That should shut him up.
I'm was shocked that no one has been able to stop the post (cancel it)
at any distribution point.  Oh well, It's a free country.
Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Subject: Re: GS Moria Source Code...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:31:29 GMT

In article <17hU02Ktc3DQ00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
|In article <1992Apr9.180547.19939@acsu.buffalo.edu> ztsindi@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (The Independents - SUNY Buffalo) writes:
|>Orca/C. How many people would like it? PLEASE POST ANSWERS HERE! If
|>I see a bunch of letters titled 'Yes! Upload Moria Source!' or

Please don't post. Reason below...

|I don't think that posting it to c.b.a2 is really necessary, but putting it
|on an FTP archive site would be a very nice thing.

Original source code for Moria (in C) is available via 
FTP from kulkulcan.berkeley.edu in /pub/wilson/...
There are several different machines' source code there, 
including the Mac.

The main reason to obtain from there: Mr. Wilson is the
original author and maintains conformity across platforms
with each version. I think the current version is 5.3.1.
You would do well to port that instead since many bugs/
logic errors from 4.8.3 have been corrected since then.

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From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <m94siB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:

>Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
>I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
>very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
>out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't.

I don't think it's odd at all.  We make the High Speed SCSI card, so it seems
rather natural that we'd use them (especially since there are more HS-SCSI
cards in the world than RamFASTs).  Also, if everyone here at Apple -had- been
using RamFASTs on their machine, you probably would have at least been warned
that the RamFAST remapping problem exists (instead of finding out the hard
way on your own).

>Unless I'm overlooking something that isn't documented in the ERS files 
>(doubtful - I've ripped out all the desk accs, cdevs, inits, fonts, and 
>sounds), there's a flaw in the design of the generic smartport interface 
>for System 6.

I don't understand your logic -- just because you have problems which
none of the rest of us have (even those with RamFASTs), then smartport is
somehow flawed?

BTW, Which RamFAST ROM are you using?

andy

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From: stein5@pro-columns.cts.com (Scott Steinbrink)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Don't you hate it
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:13:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-columns] Arlington, VA  703.237.4915


 I've been reading info-apple for about 2 1/2 months, and I notice
 something very interesting....

 I usually read the headers first before selecting on which one
 to read, and I usually see this

 For Example:

 5021   11Apr22 12:12:43 pm  (user@node)   Re: My Annoying Sys Problem

 5123   10Apr22 9:34:32 am   (user@node)   My Annoying Sys Problem

  What I'm trying to say here is that there's a 90% chance that
  the original post comes later, and the responses come eariler --
  *that* can get very confusing to me! I just wish the network would
  straighten themselves out, never mind the sysops.

- Scott
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