HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **)
Subject: MUSLUMAN GELENEKLERI (!!)
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mario@meng.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:12:27 GMT


Musluman Turk(iye) gelenekleri hoslarina gitmedi. "Mustekreh" buldular.
Hadi biraz da Musluman geleneklerinden bahsedelim.
Hani su  Zuhruf suresi, ayet 31, Allah kelami kolelik caizdir,hatta
Allah'in tertibidir buyuran, o "muthis" kitaba inanan,kicini yikamasini
bile bilmeyen, petrol'leri kuruyunca veya baska bir enerji kaynagi
yaygin kullanilmaya baslayinca (ki cok yakindir) tekrar geldigi yere,
colun ortasina, yagli parmaklarini pilav kazanina daldirmaya donecek
sefil araplarin geleneklerinden.

Cehalletten donmus, kaliplasmis,ortacagda ulastigi yuksek uygarlik
duzeyinin de cok gerilerine dusmus,kendi kendini bile yineleyemeyen,
kendi kendisinin karikaturu olmus Islam dunyasinin geleneklerinden.

Hani o Ankara`ya resmi ziyaret yapip Anitkabir'i es gecen,Konya'da 
seriat'ci mitingine giden hokkabazlarin,Ingiliz altinini alinca
Osmanli askerlerinin bogazini kivrik kisa bicaklariyla kesen, o pek de
insana benzemeyen,yilisik fettah'larin geleneginden.

Televizyon da Allah oldur bilmemne suresi bilmem kacinci ayet yayini,
sokakta adam basi molla sariklilarin,kara carsafli karilarin,on bir
yasindaki sabi subyan'in alnina sehit yazip,ak kefenini daha cepheye
gitmeden once giydirip,ellerine de celik comak verenlerin, kadin ve
cocuklari zehirli gazlarla oldurenlerin geleneklerinden.

Ve ozene bezene,onlardan alinan din'den!

Kaya Guralp yazilarina,islam'in yerel Bedevi din'i oldugunu one surerek
baslamisti. O zaman'in iman,ahlak ve adalet sistemi, Caginin
"kaldirabildigi" oranda uygulanmis,col bedevisinin anlayacagi oranda
aciklanmis,algilayabilecegi orneklerle bezenip ozendirilmis bir butun
diyordu. Baldiriciplak bedevinin hosgorebilecegi kadar kadin ozgurlugu,
onaylayabilecegi kadar kolelik.

Oyle ya, su cennet tasvirlerine bakiniz,neresinden bakarsaniz bakiniz bir 
Arap cenneti! Vaha,hurma,su dibi,golge,serinlik..
Cehennem col cehennemi,sicak,alev,ates..Oysa cennette sedirler,minderler,
av etleri..Neden hurma var da,ananas,kiwi,guava,avakado yok? Hadi bakalim!

Maestro Can
From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: LEST WE FORGET: The Fate of the Homosexuals
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:17:08 GMT
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <9301091537@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1993Jan09.130103.27212@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>
>>"A few remarks are in order about the various sex relationships in
>>concentration camps. I start out with the homosexuals since they were
>>accorded a special category among the inmates and `merited' a separate,
>>pink triangle. ...

Note that the original article is about the fate of homosexuals in
Nazi Germany.  Now, the followup from Serdar:

>This is a big yard - there are lots of leaves.
>
>"These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to,
> and bargained with Hitler's emissaries for an 'independent'
> Armenian state. That they had to bootlick Nazi masters goes without
> saying. That, as potential officials of a puppet Nazi state, they
> would have assumed the infamous roles of the Paveliches, Antonescus,
> Lavals, Tisos or Vidkun Quislings was also a foregone conclusion.
> Once committed to it, there was no alternative to the price for
> 'independence' except subservience to Hitler."[1]
>
>[1] Arthur Derounian under the pseudonym 'John Roy Carlson,'
>    "The Armenian Displaced Persons," in the "Armenian Affairs,"
>    a Quarterly Journal of Armenian Studies, Winter 1949-50, p. 18.
>
>Serdar Argic

Mabye it's just me, but I don't see a single reference to homosexuals in
the followup article.  Bad nettiquite, to say the least.

-- 
                          | You have all the time from when you remove the |
     Martin F. Melhus     | card(s) from your hand until you put it (them) |
 mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu | on the pile to say "Last Card".  If you don't, |
                          | take your two. - Hidden texts, Book of MauMau. |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:13:48 GMT

In article <12621.9301051402@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:
>In article <Jan05.054631.51064@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
>|Turk(iye) gelenekleri mi??
>|
>|Birakin bu isleri, ben size biraz Turk-Islam sentezi Musluman Turkiye
>
>Ne sentezi ? Ne sentezi ? Bu cocuk hayat bilgisi kitabi bile okumamis
>yarabbi......

Bunun hayat bilgisi kitabiyla ilgisi yok, hayat deneyimiyle ilgisi var.
Turkiye 83'den 92'ye kadar Vehbi Dincerler, Mustafa Tasar, Turgut Ozal
gibi "Allah'tan baskasina hesap vermem"lerin gayretleriyle bir Turk-Islam
sentezi haline getirilmeye calisildi. 80'lerde Turkiye'de yasayan 
birisi bu sentez lafini bilmiyorsa gazete okumamis ve TV seyretmemis 
olmali.
 
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,misc.invest
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
Followup-To: misc.invest
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:56:14 GMT

kanth@andersen.uucp (Kanth Miriyala) writes:
|
|- With your profits you can buy your favorite dresses,
|tv, vcr, ... you name it.

Pay taxes!  :-(
-- 
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Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: SARKILAARIMIZ CICEKLER UZERINE OLSUN
Date: 10 Jan 1993 13:58:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Madeeyi sekilsiz tanimlamak vey ainsani insani sifatlardan
bagimsiz tanimlamak, va olan olgulari var olmayanlar ile 
anlamak, kaosda butunlugu, cocukkda buyuklugu, atesde, gonulde
sevgiyi aramak ne kadar zordur.

Insaniz, ve istesek de istemesekde bazi seyleri degistirme imkani
miz yokdur. Atalaarimizin bir sozu vardir. Uzum uuzme  baka baka 
kararir. Bu yuzden muhatabini iyi secmek, insani genelde kararan
uzum olma pozisyounudan, golgelerin dunyasinda da olsa kurtarir. 

 ohalde sayin Beytullah,  Ercan, Hakki, Lami ve diger arkadaslardan
ricam,  birakin METE GIBIlerini, genelde ureyenler olsada kervanlar
yurur. Dusunce denen agacin golgesinde oturmamis. Insanlik denilen
cicekden koklamis, edeb ve ahlak nedir daha elementary seviyede haberi
olmayan, fikir garibanlari yada kendilerini DON KISOT SANAN esegine
tersinden binmis suvariler ile muhatab olmayalim. 

BEN  sahsen  genelde UD  sesini borazan sesine, serbeti gozyasina,
nefreti sevgiye, ahlaki ahlaksizliga, dioalogu monologa, insani insan
kiliklilara, CAHILI OKUMUS  cahillere tercih ederim. 

Sarkilarimiz cicekler uzerine, muhabetlerimiz edeb uzerine olsun ki
insanligimizin farkina varalim.

Remzi Cirit


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: CYPRUS will not be another BOSNIA HERCEGOVINA
Summary: Okan lives in his own world... 
Keywords: ..and this is why: "ENOSIS, EOKA, PALIKARIA, ATHENS, JUNTA"
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:08:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185218.19427@en.ecn.purdue.edu> baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:

>Okan Baysan
>
>-- 
>  "Unless this small Turkish Community -forming a part of the Turkish race
>   which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism- is expelled from Cyprus,
>   the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
>                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
						  ^^^^^
Okan...this is 1993.  But then again you have the same leader (king!) so
I guess he lives in the past himself. Thirty-five (35) years in charge,
wow! Ceasar himself didn't make it that long. Check this out Okan:

Multiple choice questions:

A.Turkish-Cypriot leader	B.Greek-Cypriot leader/ Cyprus's president
----------------------		----------------------------------------

His Majesty Rauf Denktash	- Grivas	1955-1960
	""			- Makarios	1960-1977 (that was long..)	
	""			- Sampson	1974 (5 days)
	""			- Kuprianou     1977-1988
	""			- Vassiliou	1988-1993
	""			-  ?		1993-1998
	""
how old is he anyway...?
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1. Monarchy exists in:
	A
	B

2. Democracy exists in:
	A
	B
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Regards, 
Theodore David.
From: erkam@acadia.Kodak.COM (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Subject: Basketball Update
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:30:46 GMT

Basketbol Avrupa Kupalari (last update 1/5/93)
=========================

Kupa Galipleri Kupasi
---------------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Efes Pilsen - Smelt Olympija (Slovenya)         : 69-52

12/01/92	Broceni Riga (Letonya) - Efes Pilsen		: 72-93

12/08/92	Zaragosa (Ispanya) - Efes Pilsen		: 63-65

12/15/92	Efes Pilsen - CSKA Moscow (Rusya)		: 85-82

01/05/93 	Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israil) - Efes Pilsen		: 87-90

	Puan Durumu     0 G M P
	1.Efes Pilsen	5 5 0 8

6 takimli grupta Efes Pilsen na-maglup lider durumda. Lig usulu
oynanan maclar bittikten sonra grup birincisi ile ikincisinin
oynayacagi 3 maclik bir seri ve daha sonra diger grubun seri galibi ile
5 maclik Avrupa Kupa Galipleri Kupasi Finali oynanacak.

Korac Kupasi 
------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Charleroi (Belcika) - Fenerbahce		: 80-75

12/01/92	Clear Cantu (Italya) - Fenerbahce		: 97-80

12/08/92	Fenerbahce - KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan)	: 77-64

12/16/92	Fenerbahce - Charleroi (Belcika)		: 75-70

01/06/93	Fenerbahce - Clear Cantu (Italya)		:

01/13/93	KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan) - Fenerbahce	:


	Puan Durumu	O G M P
	1.Cantu		4 3 1 7
	2.Fenerbahce	4 2 2 6
	3.KK Zagrep	4 2 2 6
	4.Charleroi	4 1 3 5

13 Ocak'ta bitecek grup maclarindan sonra grup birinci ve ikincisi,
4 takimlik lig usulu oynanacak Korac Kupasi Final Grubu'na kalacak.

PS: Basketbol ile ilgili bilgilerin cogu su anda Turkiye'de olan
    Murat Tekalp'ten.....


Basketbol Turkiye 1.Ligi
========================

Ilk yari sonucu
			 0   G  M   P
1. Efes Pilsen		15  15  -  30
2. Fenerbahce		15  13  2  28
3. Nasas
4. Tofas SAS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Some questions to you...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:32:22 GMT

In article <C0HwB4.BKt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>In article <C0GpAx.CKG@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes:
>
[questions by Varnavas A. Lambrou deleted]
>The questions you have put forward here perpetuate the one-sided view
>you have of the Cyprus problem fed to you by your community,government
>and press.
>
>I would like to ask you a question :
>
>Do you understand the Turkish Cypriots, the community you share an island
>with (their needs, aspirations, fears etc.) ?
>
  Sorry for interrupting, but I think, that's what Varnavas is
trying to do; understand the turkish-cypriots. 

>You will need to answer that before you can make any inferences or judgements
>on the behaviour and deeds of the Turkish Cypriot community or its leader 
>Rauf Raif Denktas(respected and loved by most Turkish Cypriots). 
>                                              ----------------
>>I have some questions to my fellow countrymen, the turkishcypriots:
>                          ---------------------
>Cute, but your questions following reveal your true attitude and ignorance. 
>
  Here we are again, Besime. Don't you understand that you are blocking 
everybody who is trying to approach and bring together people of the two
communities? (or you are doing that on purpose?)
>
>Besime Erin
>Permanent Resident of Lefkosa,North Cyprus
>A Turkish Cypriot

Theodore David
Assia-Famagusta-Cyprus
From: v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Some questions to you...
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have read some of the comments about the Cyprus issue, and I would like
to know certain things. Firtsly, I would like to tell you that I am a 
greekcypriot, and I am a refugee from the village of Palekythro near Kythrea.
(I think they named it Palikesyr now).
I ,also, believe in a federal solution to the Cyprus problem, with guarantee
force neither Greece nor Turkey, but the European Community.

I have some questions to my fellow countrymen, the turkishcypriots:

1. Do you approve any massive settling in any part of the world, which has
the purpose to change the region's demographic character?

2. Do you enjoy living in a place of only 500 square miles, or less, crowded
with army, military buildings and restricted military zones?

3. These settlers, that they come from Anatolia, how many common things do they
have with you (except from religion and language) ?

4. Do you consider yourself living in a democratic environment, having in mind
that Denktas is supported by the 30000, or more, turkish troops stationed at
the island since 1974 and the thousands of settlers he is bringing to the 
island?

5. Do the opposition parties participate in any "elections" held in the north?

6. Do you know that the leaders of the opposition meet the greekcypriots 
politicians every now and then? (Of course when Denktas allows them to do so)

7. If you are a permanent resident of Cyprus, and now living abroad, are you
planning to return to the island or not? If not, please, give reasons.

8. Is it not true that a high proportion of turkishcypriots has been emigrating
since 1974?

9. Do you believe that there is still any hope for unification of the island?

Before answering any of my questions, please look deep into yourself and think:
IS CYPRUS TOO SMALL TO BE DIVIDED?

Thinking ahead,
		Varnavas A. Lambrou.
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Some answers to YOU (Re: Some questions to you...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:06:03 GMT
Expires: January 1995
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1993Jan8.031254.16658@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:

>	The Rebublic of Cyprus agreed (urged actually) for an official
>population census by the United Nations, Esin. It is King Decktash that does
>not allow the U.N. to perform the census. So, my logic says that it is an
>one-sided problem.

Was it not Vasiliu -the Athens representative in Cyprus- who proposed that 
stupid UN census anyways? Why should UN have a population census in Cyprus?
When did UN start having pop. census in other countries? You know what
Theodore, even Ghali cannot step in North Cyprus without the permission
of the Northern Cyprus Administration, let alone Vasiliu or others. 

Cheers,
Okan Baysan
-- 
  "Unless this small Turkish Community -forming a part of the Turkish race
   which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism- is expelled from Cyprus,
   the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:31:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <C0E7z1.LA0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
|In article <12621.9301051402@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:
|>In article <Jan05.054631.51064@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
|>|Turk(iye) gelenekleri mi??
|>|
|>|Birakin bu isleri, ben size biraz Turk-Islam sentezi Musluman Turkiye
|>
|>Ne sentezi ? Ne sentezi ? Bu cocuk hayat bilgisi kitabi bile okumamis
|>yarabbi......
|
|Bunun hayat bilgisi kitabiyla ilgisi yok, hayat deneyimiyle ilgisi var.
|Turkiye 83'den 92'ye kadar Vehbi Dincerler, Mustafa Tasar, Turgut Ozal
|gibi "Allah'tan baskasina hesap vermem"lerin gayretleriyle bir Turk-Islam
|sentezi haline getirilmeye calisildi. 80'lerde Turkiye'de yasayan 
|birisi bu sentez lafini bilmiyorsa gazete okumamis ve TV seyretmemis 
|olmali.
| 

Emre bey kardesim, Turk-Islam sentezi kavramindan neyin kastedildigini
ve kimlerin bunun pesinde oldugunu gayet iyi bilirim. Benim burada
vurgulamak istedigim, Turkiyede boyle bir kavramin olmadigi degil
boyle bir kavramin gecerli olamayacagi. Islam butun bir DIN dir.
Isin icine sentez girince isler biraz karisir. Tabiiki bu konu
bazi cevrelerce tartisma halinde. Oraya girmek istemiyorum.
Fakat su DIN kavramindan haberi olmayan, okumamis, cahil
Maestro ve turlerinin bu kavrami kullanarak Turk halkina hakaret
etmelerine tepkidir benim yaptigim.

Saygilarimla

Ercan

|Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
|Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
|Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:41:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Bizim oralarda bir tabir vardir. Boka (affedersiniz) ta$ atarsan uzerine
pislik bula$ir. Remzi karde$in de dedigi gibi fikir agacinin golgesinden
nasiplenmemi$ bu pislige bir daha ta$ atmayalim da uzerimize pislik
bula$masin bari. Adam her turlu pisligi bunyesinde ta$iyor. 

Kotu sozde bir muslumanin kafir ile boy olcu$emeyecegini gec te olsa
anlami$ olduk. Cunku adam kafir ve kafir kelimesi kufurden geliyor. Seni
pislikklerinle ba$ba$a birakiyorum pislik Mete. Bu pisliklerinle
cehennemin dibini boylarsin sen boyle gidersen.......

Beytullah
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:26:49 CST
From: <U22822@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: test

THIS IS A TEST PLEASE IGNORE IT
                                BORA-BULUT-HIKMET
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:43:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1993Jan6.093358.15612@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>	Bak Emre Istanbul=Turkiye DEGIL. Istanbul'daki 10 milyonun
>	en az 9 milyonu tasradan gelmis gecekondu halki. Bunlar
>	yilbasi aksami sedece ceviz findik kirip TRT'nin kokmus
>	eylence programini seyrederler (simdi baska TV kanallarida
>	var sanstan). Geriye kalan elite "ayol" cular, bunlar ne beni
>	nede 60 milyonluk Anadolu'yu ilgelindiriyor. Ayolcular
>	kusura bakmasinlar -:)
>

Beni en cok uzen sey, fanatiklerin, kendi kafalarina uymayan kisilere,
"sosyetik", "ayol" gibi tanimlar uydurmalari. Onyargilarla, sekilcilikle
hicbir yere varilamaz. Ancak polemik yapilir.

Simdi, Turkiye'yi hangi kesimin temsil edecegi, edebilecegi, Istanbul'un
ve diger sehirlerin sehirlesmis halkinin mi, yine bu sehirleri isgal
etmis tasrali halkin mi, yoksa Anadolu'lunun mu, bu kendi basina ayri 
bir tartisma konusu.  

Benim soylemek istedigim, Turkiye'de, hem yilbasini kutlayan, hem de kendi
toplumunun degerlerinden uzaklasmayan ve yozlasmamis olan bir kesimin
varoldugudur. Ben bu kesime tabi ki 24 Aralik gecesi Beyoglu'ndaki kiliseleri
dolduran "Musluman" kesimi katmiyorum.

>	diyecegim yok.Ama nedense benim Istanbul'da hep basim agriyor.

Neden? Merak ettigim icin soruyorum. 
  
>> Amac yeni bir yila yeni umutlarla girmek
>> ve sevdiklerini sevindirmektir. Gerci son zamanlarda artan fiyatlar
>bu
>> hediye isine bir son verecek gibi :-).
>
>	Aslinda dedigin dogru, hediye alip vermek ticareti de
>	canlandiriyor, dukkanlar dolup bosaliyor ekonmik girdi
>	ve ciktilar bir imge kazaniyor. Amma gelgelelim
>	halkin cebinde para varmi? Aylik alinir alinmaz borclar
>	odeniyor, ve tekrar kese bos, yeniden borclaniliyor ...

Yine de bu canlanma, Hiristiyan dunyasindaki "Christmas rush"a denk
degil. Tabi ki tuccar, kendisine kar getirecek herseyden yararlanmaya
bakar, dukkanini yilbasi geliyor diye donatir. 
  


-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: ///SAK///  GERMANY, Racism, Symphaty, Other Subjects.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:11:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.004008.1@nl102.ittpub.nl> ptisu_sa1@nl102.ittpub.nl writes:
>     In Germany there are a large number of Racist people.

That's true. But it's more than that. The Germans always think they are
the most intelligent, most diligent, highest people on Earth. And they 
will never recover.
   
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: SEYTAN AYETLERI (Giris)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:41:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Hadi bakalim Mr.Kaya T.Dursun'un kitabi bitti. Sira S.Rusdi ye geldi
haziriz gonder. Yanliz kaynak filan vermeden iftiralarini hemen
sallami$sin. Rasulullah (SAV) asla $irk ko$anlardan olmadi,
petgamberliginden once de sonra da. Can cikmadan huy cikmaz derler, eski
huyun aynen devam ediyor. Kaynak yok, varsayim var, kaynak varsa
carpitma var vs. 

Sen bir de $u kendi dinini anlatmaya ba$lasan da ona gore yazsak
diyorum. Getir Allah'in dinine alternatif dinini anlat ona gore yazalim.
Ama ne gezer $imdiye kadar sorulan yuzlerce sorunun hangisine cevap
verdin.

Siz bu geri kalmi$ halinizle AT a girdiginizde pazarlayacak bir din
bulamayacaksiniz. Aynen $irketlerimizin kaliteli (!) mallari gibi
ortada kalacak. Eeee ne de olsa onlar ortak biz pazar! Hem de ne buyuk
pazar. Ta$aronluk politikasi ile 200 milyonluk bir pazara kavu$acak
ORTAK lar.

Beytullah