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Newsgroups: sci.med
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:31:51 -0400 
From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was Re: Xanax)
	<p8yn_z_.strnlght@netcom.com>

Excerpts from netnews.sci.med: 15-Sep-92 Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was ..
David Sternlight@netcom. (315)

> Steve Dyer posts an obscene message. I see that everything I've been
> told about him via e-mail is true.

> Steve, many know that you have a vile mind and a viler mouth. The
> only reason you're tolerated around here is because you sometimes
> have useful information.

I gotta admit--this is rich.  Who is David Sternlight to proclaim who is
tolerated and who isn't?  Unbelievable.  Perhaps Mr. Sternlight owns the
group and didn't tell us.

I thought Steve's reply was great, in that he was obviously trying to
shake off Mr. Sternlight's ``further serious consideration'' and did so
in a witty fashion.  While hints of insults (``everything I've been told
about him via e-mail'') would probably bother me a lot, I hope they
don't bother Steve, for his sake.

Lighten up.

		Craig
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cat bites: (was incompetent doctors)
    <1992Sep9.150238.20902@cs.rochester.edu> 
    <1992Sep9.171839.6614@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:00:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.171839.6614@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.150238.20902@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>> Evidently (please correct me if I've got this wrong, Ken) the usual
>> organism transmitted in domestic cat bites is Pasteurella.  The usual
>> antibiotics don't work with this organism; perhaps (I don't know)
>> it is gram-positive and the resident gave his wife penicillin.
>
>I've had three infected catbites over the years-- and the causative
>organisms were Staph. aureus, an unidentified Streptococcus, and
>a Pseudomonas.  I figured it had to do with the normal oral flora
>of cat mouths, and where my hands had just been.  (yes, I was bitten
>while lancing a Staph. aureus lesion on the cat.  And I would have
>bitten me too, under the circumstances!)
>
>Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI

Despite your experience, the most common cat bite organism *IS*
Pasteurella multocida. PCN is a (the) drug of choice.

-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:39:14 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep4.185731.8543@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:

>
>Psychiatric patients are given drugs to mask or numb the effects of
>old traumas

Wrong.  Completely wrong.  I have never heard of any psychiatrist
who gives antipsychotic agents for this purpose.  This could
only stem from ignorance of psychiatry.  

>Psychiatric "brain imbalances" are emotional diseases.

How can an emotional disease be passed through autosomal
dominant hereditary, hmmmm?  Even when the natural parent
does not raise the child.  They are physical diseases, that
are expressed through disordered behavior, which may include
pathologic emotions, but emotions have little to do with 
causation of the disease.

>(Overall, psychotherapy has a lousy track record precisely because many
>psychotherapists are also invested in denying parental abuse.  Many
>take this as an argument for the biopsychiatrists; "nothing else works."
>There are good practitioners too, with excellent cure rates.)

Prove it.

>dangerous drug is being given which leads to suppression of self and
>further denial of the underlying problem.  This is destructive; that's
>why I oppose it.


Stick to Lyme.  You're even more misinformed in the psychiatric
area.

>I mentioned in my first posting on this subject that there seemed to
>be a lot of ad-hominem attacks on anyone holding the views I've put
>forth.  My experience since has confirmed this.  Why can this
>discussion not be conducted without ridicule?

Post some data and we can attack that.  If you just post
uninformed opinions and assertions, what else can we do
but label them for what we think they are?  I don't recall
anyone attacking you personally, just your opinions.
What exactly was ad-hominem?
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 02:02:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


In response to a comment about NLP 15 minute phobia cures, Steve Dyer
posts a flame without evidence.

Can he provide evidence that there have not been such cures? I personally
witnessed one myself, and Tony Robbins used to go around the country
challenging therapists to bring him their worst patients. He was famous
for the 15-minute cures, and to date has not been discredited.

Let's keep this discussion on a factual level; Dyer's polemics
don't add to a serious discussion.

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: L-tryptophan and insomnia
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:38:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.223837.8353
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <l1vnckc.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>Is the anti-insomnia modality of l-t known, assuming there is one?

I don't think anyone would ascribe the sedative effects of tryptophan
to the placebo effect.  It's been demonstrated in any number of trials.
It's believed to be related to its function as a precursor to the neuro-
transmitter serotonin.

Hey, even I've used it occasionally in the past to help me sleep,
so it MUSTN'T be a placebo. :-)

>there any other over-the-counter substances known to be effective
>against insomnia, preferably with few or no side effects? She's tried
>the "usual" over-the-counter sleep pills and they don't help.

The only OTC sleeping aids (other than hot milk) are sedative antihistamines.
Most of them contain diphenhydramine (Benadryl).  Unisom contains
doxylamine, which is arguably even more sedative, but it also hangs
around long enough to make people groggy in the morning.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jnynge@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Hi!  I'm back...
Reply-To: jnynge@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:35:54 GMT

Welcome back, Andrea!!!!
        Jeanne
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: "Incompetent [military] doctors"
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:35:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.104412.6745@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> rdc45@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Code-45 CDR Peter Kent) writes:
}I think that
}your characterization of the current state of military hospital competance
}is obsolete.

Obsolete as of how recently?  Last week?

Think that the next time the President goes to Bethesda he'll use a military
doctor?  (ha!)

I know better (Nice assertion Commander.  This Lieutenant Commander doesn't
think that quite accurately reflects the realities).


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From: jcp@islay.dco.dec.com (Jolly C. Pancakes)
Subject: NLP, etc
Originator: jcp@islay.dco.dec.com
Organization: Electric Otter Eel Emporium
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:36:41 GMT


	Now, let's not get carried away with kneejerk reactions here.
Yes, there are lots of postings in which "jerk" is certainly the first
thing to come to mind, but David Sternlight hasn't displayed any real
flaming qualities (yet).

	Myself, I think that NLP is somewhat interesting, or at least I
did several years ago when I read the Grinder and Bandler books, and
some stuff on Eriksonian psychology and so forth. Since then, the name
and some of the ideas have been explored thoughtfully by some people and
exploited quite a bit by others looking for a fast buck. NLP defenders
on the net, Lee Lady foremost among them, have concentrated on passing
along information entirely for free and have not even asked anyone to
sign up for their pricey seminars. :-) I'm more than willing to defend
Lee for his patience and relative open-mindedness, but you'll never see
me defend Tony Robbins, for example (and Robbins is alas one of the
"better" people in the business, it seems!).

	David has presented a method that he says may make a given
headache go away. And so it might - headaches can often be ameliorated
through biofeedback mechanisms, and visualisation of the sort he
describes can be effective for at least some headache sufferers (as a
lifelong migraineur, I know whereof I speak). Furthermore, it can't hurt
anyone if it doesn't work, and it didn't cost any money.

	Charlatans are deserving of criticism but tarring everyone with
the same brush greatly limits the effectiveness of that criticism. Save
your scorn for the people who deserve it; be a little more precise in
slinging derision.  I know that it is easy to lose patience when so much
foolishness abounds, but *fair* criticism retains credibility, where
unfair or overly-generalized criticism just turns people away.

-- 

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jcpatilla					jcp@islay.dco.dec.com
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From: jcp@islay.dco.dec.com (Jolly C. Pancakes)
Subject: Re: Magnesium Salicylate
Organization: Electric Otter Eel Emporium
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:58:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.174047.7946@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Aspirin is special because of its acetyl group (acetylsalicylic acid),
>which irreversibly acylates cyclooxygenase, and in platelets, this
>reduces their ability to facilitate clotting for their lifetime (i.e.,
>it only recovers with new platelets produced.)  Salicylate is a more
>conventional competitive inhibitor of prostaglandin synthesis like other
>NSAIDs.  It can be used more readily in patients with bleeding disorders,
>and I suppose it might be a little easier on your stomach (no guarantees).
>Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is even easier on your stomach, since it doesn't
>seem to have much effect on prostaglandin synthesis in the periphery.


	Steve, let me see if I have this straight. In the above
paragraph, you have said (and I have added questions):

	Aspirin causes stomach bleeding both because it is acidic and
because it inhibits clotting. (This has always been my understanding)

	There are salicylates which do not include acetic acid which are
as effective as inhibitors of prostaglandin production. Can these be
bought over the counter?

	Acetaminophen is even easier on the stomach because it doesn't
effect prostaglandin synthesis, which is why I never take it because
it's those damned prostaglandins I want to whomp into submission. SOOOO,
are you also saying, then, that anything that inhibits prostaglandin
production is therefore also hard on the stomach? Why is that? Does that
also apply to Ibuprufen? (but Iboprufen does not affect blood clotting,
yes?)
-- 

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jcpatilla					jcp@islay.dco.dec.com
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Magnesium Salicylate
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:40:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.174047.7946
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <gefV6ky00WB9Q7elB9@andrew.cmu.edu> Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I recently ran across this on the label of a popular backache remedy.
>It's obviously aspirin-like, but does it have any special qualities?

Aspirin is special because of its acetyl group (acetylsalicylic acid),
which irreversibly acylates cyclooxygenase, and in platelets, this
reduces their ability to facilitate clotting for their lifetime (i.e.,
it only recovers with new platelets produced.)  Salicylate is a more
conventional competitive inhibitor of prostaglandin synthesis like other
NSAIDs.  It can be used more readily in patients with bleeding disorders,
and I suppose it might be a little easier on your stomach (no guarantees).
Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is even easier on your stomach, since it doesn't
seem to have much effect on prostaglandin synthesis in the periphery.

>I've been on a prescription aspirin substitute for tendinitis in my
>foot. Now that the problem is gone, and I'm running out of the drug, my
>old low back problems have returned. Aspirin works as well as the
>substitute (Motrin *tm* doesn't work), but it causes me more stomach
>upset and confusion. Any chance this stuff is worth trying?

It's perfectly fine as an aspirin substitute, especially if you tolerate
aspirin and other NSAIDs OK.  I don't know about "confusion"--you shouldn't
be experiencing confusion from ordinary doses of aspirin.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: natefrei@juliet.caltech.edu (Frei, Nathan A.)
Subject: Re: Question about Dyes and Pigments
Followup-To: sci.med
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.193623.20300@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes...
>Because of some allergies/sensitivities, I'm interested in the
>chemical formulas of certain dyes and pigments.  Also, 1 book I
>read listed a number of chemicals naturally or unnaturally occuring
>in foods, and for beets (red beet root), FD&C Red #3 and FD&C Red #40
>were listed.  It also said that cranberries contain FD&C #40.
> 
>Now, what I am wondering is whether they meant that beets and
>cranberries are sometimes artificially colored or that these foods
>naturally contain substances that resemble or are identical to the
>coal-tar derived azo-dyes, the way real vanilla contains vanillin
>which is identical to the synthetic vanillin.
> 
>So, the dyes and pigments I'm most interested in are:
>FD&C Yellow #5 (tartrazine)
>FD&C Red #3    (erythrosine)
>betacyanins
>betaxanthins
> 
>I'm also interested (but less so) in:
>FD&C Red #40
>FD&C Red #2
>FD&C Yellow #6
>anthocyanins
>anthoxanthins
>xanthophylls
> 
>Any information on their similarity or difference, especially in
>how they might behave as haptens in reactions with proteins would
>be greatly appreciated.  I've directed follow-ups to sci.med.

Check the Merck Index.  It lists many compounds under commercial and
technical names--look in the cross index.

Nate
From: starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: TMJ (temporal mandibular joint syndrom(sp?)) What are the symptoms?
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:57:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


The header says it all. The reason I'm asking is because I believe
I might be suffering from this.
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: summer pre-med jobs
From: derry@kenyon.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:11:57 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

Howdy,

I'm probably out of my league here, but I figure, what the hell.  
I'm a sophmore and possible pre-med student.  I don't know what I really wnat
to do for sure, but becoming a doctor sounds as good as anything to me at this
point.  This upcoming summer I would like to work at a hospital and I am
looking for general advice about summer hospital jobs.

Is it difficult to find a paying job at hospitals as an undergraduate?

Should I only expect to volunteer?

Is there anything that I can do now that would be beneficial as preparation?

Thanks,
Aaron
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: [Prescription Privileges]
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:23:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Sep11.212233.6699@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
 writes:
>Hypothetical question:  Should a psychologist be comfortable with prescribing
>"psychological drugs" (per above) to patients who may have underlying 
>diabetes, cirrhosis, tendencies to allergy, lupus, COPD, or a zillion other 
>problems that flesh is heir to?  Seems to me that such a pt should be 
>treated by someone trained in these diseases as well as psychological 
>problems.  

Actually, most psychiatrists become uncomfortable treating people with
chronic medical conditions.  For that matter, most specialists can get
into trouble treating people who have chronic problems that lie
outside their area of expertise.  It's not clear to me that a psychologist
would need years of medical training to appropriately prescribe Prozac,
for instance, to a healthy adult, and most of the psychiatrists I know want
to consult an internist or cardiologist before prescribing tricyclics to 
patients with heart disease.
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:52:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.185239.29651
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <BuFErI.3KH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>Tryptophan is off the market because of its association with EMS, that's all.
>>It has nothing to do with Prozac or any other drug.  Sheesh.
>
>Since it seems that EMS was caused not by tryptophan, but by a contaminant,
>and since that contaminant is now tested for, why is it still off the market?

Because, we don't know for sure it was caused by the contaminant, nor is the
contamination situation as cut and dried as it's sometimes described to be.
It may well be that high dose tryptophan taken as a single entity (i.e.,
not as part of your food) can cause EMS in susceptible individuals.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was Re: Xanax)
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.163551.20122@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}In article <1992Sep15.000518.10846@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
}}In article <t3ynlgq.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
}}>Mark Kline's use of the phrase "Like shit it does" in a serious discussion
}}>disqualifies him from any further serious consideration by me.
}}
}}Fine.  Now fuck off, and get the hell out of here like you promised,
}}you maroon.
}
}I really admire the way Mark Kline & Steve Dyer make their points.  No doubt
}they have a tremendous future in the political arena - heavy on the insults
}and light on the information.  That qualifies them as either career politicians
}or spoiled 6-year-olds.  I wonder why they think we should take posters of such
}obvious qualifications seriously about ANYTHING...

BTW:
/Mark Kline/a:=:j
/Steve Dyer/a:=:j
I have better thing to do than watch either babies fight or politicians
"debate".
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:48:38 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep4.071629.6492@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:

>they are safe as a drug."  He goes on to cite specific concerns, mostly
>having to do with the possibility that tryptophan (for instance) might
>be taken in combination with other drugs which would accentuate its
>action.  Readers can make up their own minds as to whether these
>dangers are really great enough to justify keeping tryptophan off the
>market.
>
I seriously doubt whether most readers of this have the training
to come to a valid conclusion on this subject.  Of course, one
could hold the position that anything should be allowed on the
market regardless of dangers.  Maybe that is what you meant.



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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Insomnia and Television (not a serious article)
Keywords: news Carson
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:14:07 GMT

For most of my life I've been threatened with insomnia, anxiety and
depression, probably due to some genetic predisposition.  My
feeling is that the root cause in my case is over-sensitivity to
external events and situations.  Since I have been managing it
pretty well for a long time, I'll pass on some tips that have
worked for me.  No science here, just anecdotal experience; most
tips are from magazine articles in psychologists' waiting rooms.  :-) 

I have 2 main strategies.  First is that I try to be less affected
by my environment; I've heard a sense of humor helps.  Second is
that I try to keep my environment low in stressers.  The second may
sound like avoidance, but we're talking about survival; I've
accepted the fact that I can't handle as much stress as others.  It
may also sound boring and sometimes it is, and then I usually do
something to increase stimulation; but right now I'm content with
boring, having divorced the last result of my stimulation-seeking
behavior.  ;-) 

In terms of sleep I think the low stress environment is more
important because while one may master personality changes when
awake, the sleeping person is apt to revert to natural
inclinations.  Those 1-3 hours before bedtime should be relaxing
and should include some nice, regular habits.  Having a regular
bedtime is also helpful and maybe a regular snack, although there
is disagreement on this.  If there is a snack, low-protein is
suggested by some, low-sugar by others.

I made a mistake Sunday night by watching "Deadly Medicine" on
t.v.  It was a based-on-fact story about a medical person who
killed up to 30 healthy babies.  Well, I guess I was more disturbed
by it than I realized, because I woke up 3 times with nightmares
that night.  I also knew I'd have to get up for work in the morning
so there were some work-related images in there; plus I was in a
war with an incompetent C.O. and the enemy approaching closer and
closer and I was wearing fatigues while all the other female soldiers
were dressed in sequins or chiffon.  It was horrible.  :-)   

I once took a class called "Media and Society" which was mostly about
television.  There was a rule of thumb given that if you want to go
to sleep after watching t.v., you watch some light comedy, whereas
if you want to have sex, you watch the news.  I don't know what you
do if you want to watch t.v. *while* having sex, now that Johnny
Carson is no more.  :-)

Oh, and by the way, sex can help people go to sleep (afterward,
not during) but if the person who goes along with the sex causes
more anxiety than s/he relieves, well, then maybe just not watching
the news is a better strategy.  :-)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FIBERGLASS & CANCER
From: Keith.Hitchner@f5.n3611.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Hitchner)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:49:57 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3611/5 - Middle GA Medical F, Macon GA

> From: stevek@cco.caltech.edu (Steven P. Krekeler)
>
> This may sound strange, but...

If you leave it alone it should not pose a health hazard.  Like asbestos if it 
becomes friable (brittle to the touch) it may then become airborn.  If you 
leave it alone and it does not deteriorate then no hazard should exist.


 

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