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From: u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad)
Subject: Re: Electronic drum set - request for info
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:15:07 GMT


Funny you should ask!

I just came back from my favorite music/drum shop here in Ottawa (Steve's Music)
and I played on the most amazing electronic drums I have ever seen!  It's from
Roland.  Comes on a nice light-weight but solid "plastic" rack system.  The pads
themselved are pretty small but quite hittable.

In fact, the pads themselves are the most amazing part of the set!  They feel
awesome!  The stick bounce and response is excellent!  They are made of rubber
and have a rim to which can be "attached" a different sound!

Now... don't fret!  This system works!  You can hit the head as hard as you want
and you won't trigger the rim sound (vice versa).

I'm sold! (if I had the money...)  It sure beats my old Tama Techstar...

Price:  about $2500 Canadian for about 6 pads, kick system and hihat(which is a
blast... it actually behaves like a real hat!).

The sound module has a built-in sequencer.  I don't know much about it though...


Anyway!  If you're looking for a set, YOU MUST CHECK THIS ONE OUT!!!


BTW:  Going back to my Tama Techstar:  Can anyone tell me where I can get a
decently priced kick system (just trigger, basically, to which I can attach a
regular pedal, or something like a Shark pedal (are they still in business???))

I am willing to pay up to $75.


TTL
-- 
The    Alain Gauthier u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA    The
Al     u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA                    Al
From: wbj@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (William Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: A little help please...
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:02:13 GMT
Reply-To: wbj@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Teradata/NCR

Back in the mid 1960's, when I was first taking lessons my instructor turned me on
to a series of instructional books by a guy names Sam Ulano. One of the series dealt
with things like how to tune your set, and how to care fore it. The rest of the
books were "how to play like {Gene Krupa, Ginger Baker, etc.}" books that taught
the basic rythms (beats?) for different styles of music - Jazz, Rock, Latin, etc.)

The basic rule for tuning was to pick a fairly high pitch for the snare drum, and
then tune the tom toms relative to that. The first tom was tuned an octive below
the snare and the floor tom was an octive below that. If there was a third tom
(i.e. a second one over the bass), as became popular in the late 60's/early 70's,
then it was tuned mid-way between first tom and the floor tom.

The bass drum isn't tuned to any particular pitch, just "low". As my instructor
used to say "Tune it down till the head starts to flap, then tighten it up half
a turn." The bass drum heads are large enough that it tends to resonate at the 
ambient pitch that the rest of the band is playing at.

As to tuning, be thankful that Remo invented plastic heads. In 1964 when I bought
the Slingerland set I still play, it came with calf hide heads all the way around.
The whole set had to be re-tuned every time the temp or humidity changed. Playing
outdoors at night was HELL!  That's why Remo's original brand name was (still is?)
"Weather King".

Ulano had some tips that I've found useful over the years, like NEVER clean your
cymbals. Ride on the closed hi-hat, not a cymbal, when a singer is singing, and
stuff like that there.

Hope this helps. 

bill

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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:33:24 GMT

As might be expected, they sound a little punchy--which happens to be a sound
I can live with--and the bass drum can set the rest of the frame to rattling
if you're not careful.

I'm biased.  I love them.  I played on a set of these for four years...beats
hauling individual pieces of a set around.

LAiRD

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From: c60b-3ho@web-3a.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: China type and related cymbals
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:12:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3a.berkeley.edu
Keywords: cymbals

In article <johnsonc.722199489@spot.Colorado.EDU> johnsonc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Chris Johnson) writes:

Crap deleted
>
>4)  Primarily, I am interested in a "smooth" china sound.  I understand
>that the point of them are to make a trash can type of sound, but
>I still want it to be a "kinder, gentler trash can".  Is there a cymbal
>out there that can be hit with hard quarters,  cut through the band with
>a low, clean white noise rumble, and perhaps even still be able to get
>a accent crash smack every once in a while?

>      Chris

I have an 18" Paiste Rude China Boy that has the sound I think your looking
for.  It's a very dark gong-like sound with quick decay.  It's not at all
trash can like and being in the "Rude" line, it's very durable.  Check it
out.

--Graham

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From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pipeband Snare drum question:
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:43:10 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <BxuDJq.A69@news.ucs.mun.ca>, hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
> 
> 	I'm from Nova Scotia, Canada, originally, which is home to MANY
> 	Pipe and Drum Corps. (Btw, Nova Scotia is latin for 'New
> 	Scotland' for any confused folks).  I also learned percussion
> 	(like most instruments) in Halifax N.S. for 11 years performing
> 	in bands, orchestras, and punk bands (in high school)!!! 
> 	BUT, I can't for the life of me figure out why they snare the
> 	batter head of the drum in Scottish pipe and drum bands!!
> 	It always sounded so false, and itchy to me.  I have seen the
> 	ensemble NEXUS from Toronto several times, and they played
> 	traditional side drums, which sounded full and rich.  Who/what
> 	possesed somebody to 'mess with' the snare configuration on these
> 	drum? 
> 
> 	I WANNA KNOW !!!!!!
> 
> 
> -- 
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>   DoD #1500,                / Please, please, please release me from the
>   1981 Maxim 650            | horrible, unthinkable, unspeakable
>   __________________________| intentions of these people!!! (just kidding)
-- 

Is it not true to say Craig that the snare gives a sharper pitch to the drum??

The sharper the tone the better in the pipe band world....
 
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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or not to autoco-ordinate, that is the question.
Keywords: drums 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:16:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180531.27380@coe.montana.edu> icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.191747.13567@sfu.ca> wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>>   However, I would like to inquire if I should also purchase a 
>>hi-hat or at least a cymbal(?? you know..the cymbal on a stand.. is
>>that what you call a clash?  -Yes..I'm a beginner..(wonder what gave
>>you guys that idea, eh? :))       
>
>I don't think that this is really all of that important until you get the
>co-ordination of your feet and your hands going a little better.  At that
>time, I would recommend a high hat and stand, just so that you get used to 
>using your off foot.  If this sort of thing doesn't really come all that 
>naturally, don't worry.  A lot of really good drummers have to work on their 
>coordination, otherwise they wouldn't have invented rudiments!!!

  Any suggestion for GOOD rudiment books?  I borrowed two from the library,
but since I borrowed it, I can't really keep it forever..so I'm planning to
get myself one..or two...  Btw..what's a practice pad and where can I get one?
>
>
>Okay, on this point, it is two things.  Yes part of it is muscle fatigue.
>If you are not used to using your feet like that all of the time, then
>yes they will get tired, and so will your arms if they aren't properly 
>conditioned.  Yes, it is a "typical" reaction.  The coordination thing will
>come in time.  I think that one of the things that you might want to     
>consider is that wailing and beating the holy hell out of your drums and 
>playing these great drum solos and stuff isn't what being a good drummer is
>all about.  It is about being well rounded, accelling in one or two areas
>of interest, and being musically consistent.  Play with, or tap with, some
>of your favorite music.  This will help you to keep a constant rhythm over
>a period of time, and at the same time will help to rid you of this tiredness.
>There are tons of exercises that you can do to help this too.  If you want to 
>know some of these, let me know!!!

  This could help..  What kind of excercises are they?

>
>Also, if you can get one, a metronome(sp?) is a good thing to have around.
>Part of being a good drummer is being able to keep a good tempo, and a
>metronome will help a lot!

  My sister, who's a piano player, has a metronome.. maybe I can swipe it
off her, considering she doesn't use the metronome anymore.. :)

>
>Hope that this helps.
>
>Sean 
>-- 
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From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Electronic drum set - request for info (FAQ time!)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:07:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.031121.19971@iti.gov.sg> leeshyan@iti.gov.sg (Chan Lee  
Shyan (SE)) writes:
> Hi,
> 	I am going to get an electronic drum set soon, can anyone share with me
> 	your experience on the brand, model, preference on electronic drum set  ?
> 
> 	Any comments or recommendations will be much appreciated.

Sounds like we need a FAQ for this group already!

Volunteers?

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From: c60b-3ho@web-3b.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Speed...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:39:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3b.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Help me!!!

In article <1992Nov18.235512.27036@csi.uottawa.ca> u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad) writes:

>My major problem right now is that I still can't maintain a decently fast 8th
>note beat on the cymbals (including hi-hat) without serious pain and cramps in my
>forearm.
>
>Can anyone suggest some techniques or exercises for this particular problem.  As
>an example, I still, to this day, have never been able to play Walk of Life by
>Dire Straits completely at its quite decent speed of 176.
>
>The styles of music I do play regularly are not that demanding and I can fake the
>speed by quarter notes...  I would like to reach higher speeds though...
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>--
>
>"Jerry Speiser (Men at Work) and Terry Williams (DIRE STRAITS) FOREVER!!!"
> 
>The    Alain Gauthier u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA    The
>Al     u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA                    Al

Get a metronome.  Set it a pace a little faster than comfortable and just
work on one hand. R-R-R-R-R... Then L-L-L-L....  Make a conscious effort 
control the stick through the entire strike, in other words, don't just let
the stick rebound of the head--lift the stick from the head.  This will
build strength, and with strength will come the endurance to play faster for
extended periods.  Also, remember to work out your weaker wrist twice as
much as the other (you're only as fast as your slowest wrist).

One other thing, when you play, make sure your wrists are doing the work and
not your arms.  Some people without any formal training tend to move the 
sticks with their arms instead of the wrists.  This is tiring and slow!
Furthermore, when someone plays like this, they look like they're working
real hard, but they can't play diddly.  The good )percussionists_ always 
make it look easy.

--Graham


-- 
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From: MTHEOBAL@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Percussive Arts Society - A Plug
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:15:59 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Here's a quick plug for the non-profit Percussive Arts Society, established to
facilitate communications in all areas of percussion for the student, teacher,
and performer for classical, jazz, rock, and ethnic music.

Many of the questions asked on this bulletin board are answered or discussed in
 PAS' Percussive Notes magazine, published 6 times a year.  The Society also
sponsors regional "Days of Percussion" at local high schools and colleges with
professional clinicians and product displays.  The annual International
Convention is 4 days of master classes, clinics, concerts, and product dis-
plays.  This year's convention was in New Orleans and next year's will be in
Columbus, Ohio.  There are international branches, too, for our friends across
the waters.

Contact the Society at: Percussive Arts Society
                        701 NW Ferris
                        Lawton, Oklahoma 73507U.S.A.
                        Telephone 405-353-1455

Dues/subscriptions are $20/year for students, $40/year for pros and libraries
with additional postage charges for overseas.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am a member of PAS but receive no financial gain from your joining.  And,
these are not my employer's opinions.                 Mark Theobald

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From: petrop@vccsouth25.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli)
Subject: Re: Getting started...help!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:01:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.223637.20012@src4src.linet.org> redsonja@src4src.linet.org (Red Sonja) writes:
>
>ANYway, what do the scattered net/drum/gods have to say on starting out -
>for basic rock beats. Eventually I would like to move up to jazz/fusion
>(although Bill Bruford will never have to worry in this lifetime!! >;-} ).
>I guess what I'm trying to say is, is there a good book/video or is it
>best to just listen a lot to tapes or whatever and try to figure out what
>the person is hitting by ear? 
>
>Thanks,
>redsonja@src4src.linet.org     \\\RS///    Self possession is 9/10 of the law.

Well, I ain't no GOD, but I ain't no slouch, either.  
Three words: DEVELOP YOUR EAR.
Chances are, if u are a music aficionado already, u probably have a decent-
sized record collection to speak of.  If that's so, make yourself a casette of
the songs u like best (pay attention to technique, groove, volume, fills, etc -
some records are good for certain things), plug in the headphones, and play 
along.  
Also, record yourself while u are playing along with the recorded cassette.  
Take some time IMMEDIATELY after u play (while it's still fresh in yer mind),
and LISTEN TO YOURSELF.  Not only is it a sobering-up sometimes, it also helps
in developing your ear - pay attention to YOUR volume/evenness, YOUR technique,
YOUR fills, and YOUR overall sound.  Most of all, BE CRITICAL of yourself.  
If you have been listening to different styles of music for a long time, you
have all the good tools you need.  You'd be surprised how your influences rear
their heads...  IT WORKS.  Variety is ESSENTIAL for well-roundedness...  That's
all there is to it.

Rock beats...  One name: JOHN "BONZO" BONHAM.  The father of all there is
today.  He doesn't get half the credit he deserves, largely because of the
Randy Rhoads/Cliff Burton-type I'm-dead-now-so-people-think-I-was-the-greatest-
thing-since-Noah-built-the-ark mentality.  What a shame.  The man was simply 
INCREDIBLE.  Highly technical, and just straight ahead SOLID.  Take a listen. 
Not just to the overplayed, top 40, greatest rock songs of all time stock of
nonsense, but to songs like "Achilles' Last Stand" (the best fucking Zep song
EVER WRITTEN), "In My Time of Dying" (Cymbals and skins just BEGGING for mercy,
all in SOLID time), and stuff like the immortal "Moby Dick" (check out some of
the album-side-length bootlegs out there, like Osaka, Japan where Bonzo plays
"The Drum Also Waltzes" by Max Roach - stuff orgasms are made of), and just a
LOOOOOONG list of others.

Before people start reaching fer their flame throwers - there are others, but
Bonham is all-encompassing, in my opinion.  He was truly a GOD.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Phil
petrop@rpi.edu
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From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: Re: double bass pedals
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:18:11 GMT

icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
>v104n55k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David I Schwartz) writes:
>>Any recommendations on double bass pedals? I'm looking for something really
>>sturdy. I am would like the cost to be somewhere around $250 or less.
>>
>>Dave

>You might consider looking for a good used one then.  The two best pedals that
>I have used have been Gibraltar and Camco, which I think are the two best
>anywhere.  Finding something Really sturdy for under 300 bucks might be tough.
>Gibraltars run about $300, and Camcos are about the same, just depending where
>in the line that you decide to buy a pedal.  

Which brings me to something I've wanted to know for a while... why *are*
double bass pedals so expensive?  You could get a whole cheap kit for 
the price of the cheapest set of these pedals.

Anyway, I second the recommendation for the Gibraltars.  I've used them
for a while on a friend's kit and they're definitely sturdy.

Martin (who desperately wants some double pedals but can't afford them)
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From: leeshyan@iti.gov.sg (Chan Lee Shyan (SE))
Subject: Electronic drum set - request for info
Reply-To: leeshyan@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:11:21 GMT

Hi,
	I am going to get an electronic drum set soon, can anyone share with me
	your experience on the brand, model, preference on electronic drum set  ?

	Any comments or recommendations will be much appreciated.

	Thanks.

Lee Shyan
(leeshyan@iti.gov.sg)

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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: Drum nevers
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:14:50 GMT

In article <lgqp25INNfaj@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM (Kevin Chu) writes:
> In article 1437@tdat.teradata.COM, wbj@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (William Jones) writes:
> >Ulano had some tips that I've found useful over the years, like NEVER clean your
> >cymbals. Ride on the closed hi-hat, not a cymbal, when a singer is singing, and
> >stuff like that there.
> 
> OK, I'll ask: why?

I'll bet cleaning your cymbals removes some of the actual metal, thus
messing up the tonal balance intended by the manufacturer. But
wouldn't having a bunch of grime on your cymbal cause the same
negative effect?

As far as not riding on the ride cymbal during a vocal segment, I'd
say this is going to vary widely on musical forms and personal
artistic tastes of the musicians involved. Only using the closed
hi-hat during vocal solos is fine if you're playing "Just You and Me"
by Chicago, but would sound entirely lame on "Pink Turns to Blue" by
Husker Du.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
From: atossava@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Atro S Tossavainen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov19.043801.4744@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:

> Do they have a snare drum without a shell? And if so, what does it
> look like and how does it work?

   There are 12- and 14-inch versions. It's similar to the other drums
 of the set, but with a funny set of really short springy snares that
 are fastened to a clamp a few inches below the drum head and rest
 against the head.

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From: case@mcl.ucsb.edu (Marcos)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Ministry drummer...
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:10:36 GMT

The mystery druumer you speak of is William Rieflin. He was on the "Mind..."
tour, and was in Pigface. He was in some other band, too, but I can't remember.

BTW, He IS REAL GOOD...
From: c60b-3ho@e260-4f.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Speed...
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:53:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4f.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Help me!!!

In article <1992Nov20.175142.3736@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1egjftINNk0q@agate.berkeley.edu>, c60b-3ho@web-3b.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov18.235512.27036@csi.uottawa.ca> u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad) writes:
>> >Can anyone suggest some techniques or exercises for this particular problem.  As
>> >an example, I still, to this day, have never been able to play Walk of Life by
>> >Dire Straits completely at its quite decent speed of 176.

>> One other thing, when you play, make sure your wrists are doing the work and
>> not your arms.
>
>Good point. I might also recommend buying BIG FAT HEAVY sticks for
>practicing, exercise, and warm-ups. Switch over to light sticks for a
>performance. This has the same effect on your wrist muscles as lifting
>weights would.

I forgot about that, Paul.  BTW, A friend of mine had these lead filled
sticks that he practiced with on his pad.  Has anyone ever seen these
and have an idea about where I can buy a pair.  After a few work outs on
those, you can really feel the difference in strength!
--Graham


-- 
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