HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude? Is it time?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:44 EST  

My $.02 worth:

Some have suggested that the name of this newsgroup should be changed
from rec.nude to rec.naturism to eliminate many of the irrelevant
postings.  Now I know that most of us who have been following this
newsgroup know what "naturism" means, but I wonder if many others,
particularly in the U.S. where most of the net users are, know what it 
means.  I believe that one of the purposes of the newsgroup is to
attract new people to naturism, and I think that some have tried
naturism after reading rec.nude out of curiosity.  But how many would
check out "rec.naturism"?

Perhaps a better name change would be to rec.nudism.  Most people have
some idea of what "nudism" means.  (I know some of you will protest
that nudism and naturism are not the same thing.  I don't wish to start
a debate on this.  I just wish to observe that the perceived differences
depend on whom you are talking to, and that many including myself use
the terms interchangeably.  Incidentally, Webster's Unabridged Dictionary
defines naturism as synonymous with nudism.)

IMO the current name "rec.nude" is too broad and vague.  I can see how
many might interpret nude recreation as including nude entertainment, sex
in the nude, etc.  Yes, I know that some people think of sex when they
think of nudism, so that there could still be some irrelevant sex postings
in rec.nudism.  But that is what the "n" and "k" keys and kill files are
for.

Jeff
From: wood@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?  (something worse than photographers
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <462@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca>, djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes:

> While on vacation in Vancouver I went to Wreck Beach... a CO beach on the West
> Coast of Canada.... 

> Does anyone else have any similar stories... what can be done to take care of
> these people?


How about a cold tub of ice water thrown on the subject from behind?
Works wonders on dogs.	 ;-)

I met a young couple from Vancover while at Grand Lido who told me that they
were regulars at Wreck Beach.  Unfortunately, they did speak of a number of
people who engage in the behavior that you speak.  Specifically, they
mentioned a male-female couple who kept playing with "his" erection all day
in an attempt to keep him hard.

It certainly doesn't make for good PR for the beach.  But I got the feeling
that this is the exception rather than the rule.

Terry
From: tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Looking at naked women
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:52:45 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744

In article <2673@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays) writes:

>... Erections ... come from an expectation of imminent sexual gratification
>... We have just learned to associate nudity with imminent sex.

Migawd! What's anyone with a rational thought doing in this thread?
Seriously, that's a good summary of the situation -- Joe, you'll make a
GREAT nudist!
-- 
   Tom Davis                    Internet address: tmd@austin.lockheed.com
	"Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do;
	 Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too."
   [Disclaimer: I speak for nobody but me - and sometimes not even that.]
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: aceptable actions? (something worse than photographers
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:33:28 GMT

djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes:

>The concern I had while I was there was not the photography that was going on
>(I had no problems with that) but the most disturbing thing I saw was a
>young man masturbaiting in plain view right there on the beach... 
>I found that the most disgusting thing 	I had ever seen...         
>This type of act is just uncalled for... (especially when young kids are 
>in plain view)...
>Does anyone else have any similar stories... what can be done to take care of
>these people?

What's wrong with masturbation?
Sounds VERY judgemental, coming from someone who DARES walk around
wearing NOTHING at all. How dare someone behave in a way that might
disturb you?

-John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY
From: v076rtlz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M. Green)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Sex and (vs.) Nudity
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just a side comment on this whole nudists against sex (sorry, could that be
possibly implying something?):

This was from just after the topless ban was lifted in New York state.  On one
of the local news programs they were getting reaction to women going topfree on
public beaches through "man-on-the-street" interviews.  One old man said this
in opposition to the partial nudity(this is from memory, but I am quoting the 
man's exact words)-
	[women going topless] will lead to disrespect for the law, 
	people "not going to work", "fornicating in the streets"

Well, we can't all be so enlightened.

Howard

		"What God Wants, God Gets"
				-Roger Waters
From: middleto@inls3.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: menu
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:51:38 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: inls3.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Oct1.113445.496@ab.wvnet.edu> miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
-man removed saying it was a fire hazard. I did get a response telling
-me to hang a sign up that says " nUde person dwelling inside", but you see
-that would probably get me the same reactions as before, oh well I guess
-there is no way to win here... I guess I'll just have to BARE it all!

Perhaps a sign that just reads "CLOTHING OPTIONAL ZONE" would be more
appropriate.  With any luck maybe some like minded people wil seek you
out and join you.

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		|
aka Happy Bare			| "Murph, it's Dan Quayle, forget about it."  
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| 			Frank Fontana
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (NASA)
Subject: Art Modeling
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:28:00 GMT

Is there anyone in the Washington D.C. area who has ever modeled for 
an artist or an art class? I am just interested in what it is 
like.Please E-mail at the above address.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Breasts
Organization: York University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:30:16 GMT

franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
|   Sure - statistcally men are fighting an uphill battle when legally
|tryin to gain custody of their chilren after a divorce. 

   She asked for legal restrictions, not urban legends.
   Both U.S. and Canadian courts have been criticised for awarding
custody to the better-paid parent without considering other conditions
which might affect the child.  That's to the man, in cause you weren't
paying attention: women have **real** difficulty getting custody
unless the male wants them to.

  And speaking of paying attention, this is rec.nude....
|							 Although you will
|inevitably find flaw with and critique every one,

  ... and this is not exactly mainstream discussion.

--dave (I like women: I married one.
	Oddly enough, neither of us like clothes) c-b
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | Oh ye who lead / Take Heed,
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Blindness we may forgive,
CANADA. 416-223-8968  | But baseness we will smite.
From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:01:50 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <OLEG.92Sep29124538@sblapis2.cs.sunysb.edu>
                                   oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky) writes:

>                                In the midst of a purely computer-related
>discussion, a man aproached us and quietly and politely asked us to leave...

I was hoping someone else would ask, but after a couple of days nobody has,
so I get to be the net.dunce:  On what grounds did this individual feel he
was justified in asking you to leave?

-- 
============================================================================
Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Sexuality/Nudity
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:15:53 GMT

	Hi y'all..
	I just _had_ to reply to (sorry, I'm horrible with names) whomever said
that "most, if not all, women cannot divorce desire from intimacy."  Completely
overlooking the fact that I hate generalizations, this statement is downright
incorrect.  It _should_ say that "some" women cannot....., not most.  I for one
can recall many conversations with my female friends when we discussed simply
having sex for sex's sake.  I for one called up my best friend's brother when I
was 16 and asked him to have sex with me.  We had a wonderful 4 month
relationship, and I'd be lying to myself and everyone else if I said it had
anything going for it other than the sex.  Last year I had a list of 7 men who
wanted to have sex with me.  It became a joke, but if I'm ever lonely, believe
me, I'll pull out that list.  It's true that sex sometimes has a
different effect on women than on men, but that's more of the restriction that
society places upon women.. men can have sex and it's "sowing their oats";
women have sex and they're sluts.  We have to overlook that and learn to feel
comfortable, as women AND men, with our bodies and how we wish to convey that
feeling.  If a stranger came up to me and asked me to engage in a sexual act,
I'd honestly be flattered that he's confortable with his body, and is able to
tell that I'm comfortable with mine.  Granted, my answer would depend on a few
details (honesty about past history, for instance...), but if I found him
attractive I'd probably say yes.  This does NOT make me a slut, nor does it
make me promiscuous or stupid.  It shows that I am capable of making decisions
on what I want to do with my body.  If they relationship stopped at that one
act, then I wouldn't be crushed because all he wanted me for was my body.  In
consenting, I DID THE SAME THING.  I wanted him for his body.  Think about
that.
	Also, I've been getting a lot of mail concerning my post on dorm
nudity/clothing optional halls.  To answer a few questions, it has to be a 
unanimous vote.  People who don't want the hall clothing optional are not
forced to move; their wishes are respected and the people on the hall will have
to deal with that.  If it's majority, some people who don't feel truely
comfortable with it will go along anyway (peer pressure, I guess).. it makes
for some tension, but that is the decision they need to live with... everyone
is given the chance to say no.  Things on my hall are going well.. the only
problem I can think of are some of the newbies adjusting to the sexual
preferences of some of the people on the hall.  I for one(along with three
other people on my hall) am bisexual, and I notice that some people are less 
likely to walk around nude when they know I'm around.  This is sad, but it's
their right.  I will not impose myself or my beliefs on them.  Any more
questions?  Let me know.  Replies more than welcome.

					lisa
					lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert)
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.235133.477@ab.wvnet.edu> miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>    I think the world needs to learn to express themselves their own way and
>accept others for who they are not judge them. I hate it when in the privacy
>of my own dorm room someone just walks right in and acts as if the world has
>ended when they find me studying, reading, or  watching t.v. nude. The males
>act as if I am some kind of sick fag , and the females think I'm just another 
>horney pervert. I think the way I express  myself in private is my business,
>I have to follow their laws and rules outside of my room, so they can leave
>me in peace. Are there any other people out there facing similar problems?
> 

Our solution was a simple approach.
	Door wide open;  come on in and visit
	Door slightly agar (open only a crack); knock and wait for an answer
	Door Closed; Do not disturb.

My roomate and I also had additional signals for each other to keep us from
walking in on compromising situation.

A friend down the hall hung a large curtian across his door.  But, in both of
our cases, when you walked in unannounced (with us it the door was ajar) you
very often had to explain why you did not knock, and what you saw was your
own problem.

	marc

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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:02:09 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky) writes:
>beach I met a guy who seemed to be working on something similar to what I was 
>doing, so we decided to stay in touch. In the midst of a purely comp.-related
>discussion, a man aproached us and quietly and politely asked us to leave;

I missed something? What was going on that he asked you to leave?
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Subject: Naturist New Hampshire Fall Fling
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date:  6 Oct 92 14:12:22 GMT

A relatively new naturist club in New Hampshire is having a fall 
get-together in Concord on Saturday, Oct. 10th, from 4:00 to 8:00
PM.  This is from their announcement:

NNH FALL FLING
Come and enjoy four hours of swimming, snacks, a hot tub, walleyball,
basketball, or racquetball.  Work out with Nautilus or free weights.
Expect to meet a lot of new friends from your area who share your
lifestyle.

WHEN:  Saturday, October 10th, from 4:00 PM to 8:00 PM
WHERE:  Don's Fitness Center, Sand Rd., Concord NH
DIRECTIONS:  Southbound off I93 from Concord on Rt. 3, 2.5 miles or
where the road goes from three lanes to two.  Sand Rd. on left.
Northbound from Manchester on Rt. 3, go past Rt. 106 junction and
under bridge.  Sand Rd. on right.  Look for sign.
COST:  $10 per person.

NNH will have coffee, doughnuts, cider, and cake.  Please bring a
snack or other beverage to share.  Devise an uncostume for Halloween
and the best one gets a refund.


If you come, look me up.  I'd like to meet other netters in the flesh
(so to speak).
-- 
Roger Ritter N1FZZ (R.Ritter@ma30.bull.com) PP-ASEL, AGI
1946 Luscombe 8A N71983 "Rocky"
Sheep do not so much fly as plummet!        NH CAP: Profile 49
From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: experience was worth more than words can describe
Keywords: experience
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:47:46 GMT

I was this summer vacationing in Vancouver B.C. and decided to check out the
local CO beach... wreak beach... I was a little taken back at first (this
was my first visit to this type of beach..) Well the first day out I did not
have the courage to do as "the natives" do... but as the week progressed (I went
every day) my courage gained ... once I saw that it was a really cool enviroment
and that everyone was so friendly.

Needless to say I discovered that I really like the CO lifestyle... it is so
free and unrestricting... I would recomend it to anyone who wants a little 
change in life.... 

I really thought the experience was increadable and I can't wait till I go
back to Vancouver this summer.... !

I just thought I would put my 2 cents in....

Derek

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Sunscreens -- as good as their SPF numbers? (was: Tanning
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:49:25 GMT

In article <*> grogono@cs.concordia.ca (Peter Grogono) writes:
>
>It seems to me rather unlikely that the fading ozone accounts for
>skin cancer increases.  The most reasonable explanation that I have seen
>is that people have placed too much trust in protective creams 
>that have much less screening effect than they claim.

Is this the latest "conspiracy-theory",
i.e., that 'Hawaiian Tropic' and 'Coppertone' and ...
are paying "hush-money" to the publishers of 'Consumer Reports' et al
to falsify the results of the scientific tests which C.R. performs?      :-)
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Tanning
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:15:04 GMT
	<1992Oct1.011020.24747@unixg.ubc.ca> <1992Oct1.064728.20208@tfs.com>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 1 Oct 92 06:47:28 GMT, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) said:

> Am I wrong, it seems to me that say, 20 years ago, people were not worried
> so much about ill effects of tanning. I know that tanning, or over-tanning,
> has been linked to skin-cancer, but does anyone know the statistics about
> skin-cancer in this regard? Because I suspect people may now be being
> overcautious. I know about the Ozone hole, but those effects do not
> significantly reach down to our latitudes, do they? Being here 37 North.

Skin cancer has gone way up.  I don't know the stats, but in Australia
it's become a major cause of death.
--
Bruce Stephens.  Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Liverpool Univ.
Internet: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk     JANET: bruce@uk.ac.liv.uxb
From: jeff@sousa.ltn.dec.com (jeff bell)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: ECSD (was Re: Sexuality and Social Attitud)
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:38:00 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>As I am the primary author in the stream, you would do well to wonder why
>I continue writing what I do. 


I have.


I think it's because you like to flame.
I'll tell you why I think this:

  You have responded to nearly every article.  In most cases you
  have refused to acknowledge any points that the authors might make,
  or confused who wrote what.  In fact, whether there was a difference
  of opinion or not, you have often declared that the other person was
  a fascist coming to take away your beach, or oppress you in some
  other way.

  You have chastised wharfie for not putting you in his kill file,
  claiming that if he doesn't like what you say he shouldn't read it.
  Most authors try at least try to write things worth reading.

  In other recent articles, Mr. Middleton declared that he was going to
  kill your posts, and you accused him of burying his head in the sand.
  Make up your mind.

  In one of your very first articles you said: "I would have posted here
  sooner, but I got stuck in a flamewar over in another newsgroup."
  (I'm not surprised.)

To me, it sounds like you are an incorrigable flamer.
....But... I might be wrong.


So,  Mr. Dynamic, 

Feel free to continue to post.  Just be more carefull.


Double check that people really said what you claim they said.

Try to avoid comprising more than 50% of the volume.
You probably do in fact have some worthwhile things to post,
it just that I have a hard time finding them amongst the flames.

Try to allow that pepople will disagree, and that peacefull coexistance
is possible.  This newsgroup deals with a number issues about which
people have strong feelings.  Rabid flaming will not change anyone's mind.

Antagonizing long standing and usually reasonable members of this
newsgroup is not productive.


Pax Vobiscum.  See you on the net.

-- 
-Jeff Bell                    "I guess that's why they call it code."
 jbell@danger.enet.dec.com
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: a silly question
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:58:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1aamgfINNe3q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bm127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (T. David Gossett) writes:

> I am sure this question has been asked before and perhaps I should
> experience a CO beach before I ask it...but (to the males) does
> the time ever happen when you get aroused, and how do you deal with
> it when it does?
> Thanks

Read some of the recent postings (if they are still on your news spool)
and you'll get a good answer, in detail, for this.

If you can't read the articles, then lets just boil it down to this:

                        "Don't worry, be happy!"

This question is asked at least a dozen times a month, so you're in good
company.

Terry
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From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:12:07 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <OLEG.92Oct3152250@sblapis1.cs.sunysb.edu>
                                   oleg@cs.sunysb.edu (Oleg Sokolsky) writes:

>mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) writes:

>>On what grounds did this individual feel he was justified in asking you
>>to leave?

>Several of the beaches I've been to were self-regulated in some way or other.
>Sometimes there are specially appointed people (I think, Sandy Hook has this
>now, but I might be wrong). Mostly, self-regulation is done by the most
>respected members; you don't HAVE to comply, but they are people you'll have
>around if you choose to stay. Thus, I think the guy was justified to do it. He
>might be wrong (I hope he was, whatever he had in mind) in my particular case,
>but in general I guess he was doing a useful job.

No, Oleg.  I wasn't asking by what authority he was asking you to leave, but
on what grounds.  In other words, what did this person feel that you and your
new friend were doing that justified his (IMO) rude behaviour?

-- 
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    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
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