From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:34:23 GMT

Who cares whether you are a Chinese or not? I personally do
not care about Taiwan at all. I was responding to that Taiwanese
who said that Japanese culture is better than Chinese culture.
If you think you are not Chinese or anything else, that's 
fine with me. Just be polite enough not to insult we Chinese.
If you think you are inferior, don't say we Chinese inferior.
There exist Taiwanese prostitutes does not necessarily mean
that most Taiwanese generally are prostitutes, just like 
there exist homeless Mainlanders does not imply that
most Mainlanders are homeless.

I don't know who you can represent. Your government?, most
Taiwanese?, or only you a few people who are not Chinese.
We many Manlanders do not agree with CCP, but we have to admit
that CCP represent Manland government. Your KMT government
not only say there is only one China, but also call it
ROC, how many of you courtrymen of Republic of China are
not Chinese ? If you who are not Chinese are enjoying
the Japanese ocupation, why can't you bear the rule of 
*the One China* government KMT ?

Open histroy maps, countries shrink and grow with time.
The better and stronger governments grow while the worse
and weaker governments shrink. Who cares. But I was
born a Chinese, I am proud of my origin, my culture and 
my history. 

In your post you do not seems tell the difference between 
Chinese and Chinese government. If you are talking about 
Chinese government now or past, I don't care at all.

In article <1992Dec18.202552.1837@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>Exactly, being Chinese means that one is civilized in the Chinese
>terms, right?  Among the slaves of Manchurians, the most civilized

	That is your misinterpretation of Chinese, no wonder you
say you are not a Chinese.

>slaves must be those Chinese who served the Manchurian Court.  Do
>you know Lee Hung-Zhang?  Do you know the 1895 Sino-Japanese War?
>Lee went to Japan to cede Taiwan to Japan after his Manchurian
>Master lost the war against Japan over the control of Korea.  He
>must feel very bad that he had also to cede the ancestral land of
>his masters' so he made a notice on the bright side.  He said,
>"Taiwan is just a tumor; birds do not sing; flowers have no
>fragrance; males have no compassion; females have no morality;
>residents are less civilized than beasts; we can face our ancestors
>(Manchurians, of course) without shame that we ceded this island."

Li Hongzhang at least *feel very bad*, better than you.
>
>Jinxiong XianShen, you are right.  Taiwan was ceded partly because
>Taiwanese was not qualify to be Chinese who should be at least more
>civilized than beasts.  Lee Huangzhang XianShen who fought against
>the less civilized Southern Chinese Army which fought for an non-
>Manchurian China knew that being civilized is to serve one's master
>well without rebellions.  Taiwanese was just barbaric.  Their twenty
>year struggle with Japanese force sometimes risked the life of
>entire village.  But Taiwanese do qualify to become Chinese now.
>That's what I heard, right?  Being civilized is be slave!  If Chinese
>could serve Manchurians which had less population than Japanese as
>masters, it would be self-genecidal if Taiwanese did not bend against
>the Japanese who overnumbered Taiwnese (Say for every Taiwanese, there
>were six Japanese.  Think that Japan sent 1/3 of its army and most
>of its navy to take Taiwan.  I don't know how did those Chinese military
>serving Manchurians lost the war.)  How can a civilized Chinese agree
>with a genecidal fight in a lossing battle.  You don't get 1/3 of the
>wolrd population that way (Somehow Chinese's share in global population
>shrinked in the last two centuries).

Chinese lost the war does not mean Chinese are born slave. 

>Seriously, how did Chinese incorporate Manchurian into their society?
>Because they want the land of Manchurian and other Manchurian colonies?
>Maybe it was so, but what's more important is that it is not healthy
>maintain hatred against any nation that enslaved or colonized your
>nation.  That way, you enslave yourself with hatred.  Taiwanese have
>long forgiven those Chinese officers sent by the Manchurian Court to
>suppress the prosperity of the frontier with pillage and massacre.  It
>is unusual for Taiwanese to forgive Japanese or Chinese for what their
>governments had done to Taiwan.

You do not seems tell the difference between Chinese and Chinese 
government.
>
>Enjoy the hollidays,
>
>William H.

You too,
- Chen Jinxiong

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