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From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: More 0 ring problems....
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 11:46:24 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Mountain View, CA

robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) writes:

> Actually, Lockheed and Martin-Marietta (I think it was MM) submitted an SRB  
> design that was pretty much as you describe (the one you said "can't" work). 
> I don't think they planned on shipping by rail tho'.  

They were to have been shipped by sea barge along the coastal waterway to
Canaveral. This was one of the proposals when the STS was first being
designed. The decision from NASA was that because weather delays could not
GUARANTEE delivery of the single-cast SRBs on a specific date, NASA decided
to go with the segmented design, which lead to STS 51-L.

In hind sight, considering how the ship the ETs, there could have been a
similar approach taken with the SRBs though I'm sure Luddites would have
screamed about shipping "live explosives" that way.

Oh well.

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From: kentm@aix.rpi.edu (Michael V. Kent)
Subject: Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Space Shuttle
Summary: Cheeseheads are easily insulted.
Keywords: get serious
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:07:51 GMT

In article <5cZ5RB9w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org> mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis) writes:
>kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>> >                                        Robert E. McElwaine
>> >                                        B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
>> 
>> My already-low opinion of the B.S. degree in physics has just ratcheted
>> down another notch.
>
>I don't think it's the BS Physics but the institution. Wisconsin isn't
>known for its brilliant space studies program.

Pardon me?  Have you heard of the High Speed Photometer aboard the Hubble
Space Telescope or the Wisconsin Ultraviolet Photo-Polarimeter Experiment
aboard the Astro telescope payload?  I didn't think so.  FYI, WI has one
of the best educational systems in the USA.

Never cross a Wisconsinite when his fridge is devoid of beer!  :(

Mike

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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:41:07 GMT

mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:

>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong, we always hear about the other
>space pioneers but our man Neil fas the first on the moon doesn't
>account for something? When ever there is any celebrations of space travel
>there doesn't seem to be any (or little) mention of Neil, is there
>any reason?
>Sorry if this is in the wrong group but I figured that you guys at NASA 
>would have the low down on this great man.

Lessee..if I recall correctly, I saw him on the Discovery Channel hosting
one of their flight or space shows.  I heard that after the moon walk,
he had some serious bouts with depression, since he had done the most
important thing in his life and everything else was meaningless.

-Mark

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From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: mission to Toutatis?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 11:56:18 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Mountain View, CA

pstinson@pbs.org writes:

> In a recent news post it was stated that asteroid 4179 Toutatis will pass
> within 1.6 million kilometers of Earth (about 4x the distance to the moon)
> in 2004.  Any possibility of a manned landing mission to Toutatis? 

Velocity requirements prohibit a manned landing, and make any kind of
landing extremely unlikely.

> If not we should at least send up some probes to accomplish half of the
> objectives of the cancelled CRAF.  This asteroid is coming to us.  Let's
> make the most of this opportunity.

Same problem. There's a fairly large delta v requirement to get up to
appropriate speed and direction. While an unmanned probe can take higher
accelerations, it's still a tough mission to do.

Given that NASA has very limited funds and that Congress isn't in a
generous mood, I doubt it'll be done unless some independent money gets
put into a small sat.

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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Software Development
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:33:01 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct7.084500.18443@rcvie.co.at> se_taylo@rcvie.co.at (Ian Taylor) writes:
>The Space Shuttle software development project has been rated Level 5 (the best)
>on the Software Engineering Institute's Maturity Index. 
>
>Does anyone have a reference for a description of their software development
>process?

Feynman's book "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" has a good
informal look at it (he contrasts it to the development process used for
the shuttle engines).
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From: dumoulin@titan.ksc.nasa.gov (Jim Dumoulin)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:13:05 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

In article <komarimf.718648867@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski) writes:
> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
> 
>>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong, we always hear about the other
>>space pioneers but our man Neil fas the first on the moon doesn't
>>account for something? When ever there is any celebrations of space travel
>>there doesn't seem to be any (or little) mention of Neil, is there
>>any reason?
>>Sorry if this is in the wrong group but I figured that you guys at NASA 
>>would have the low down on this great man.
> 
> Lessee..if I recall correctly, I saw him on the Discovery Channel hosting
> one of their flight or space shows.  I heard that after the moon walk,
> he had some serious bouts with depression, since he had done the most
> important thing in his life and everything else was meaningless. 
> - Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

   I think you have Neal Armstrong mixed up with his co-pilot about
   the bouts with depression.  I did see him on Discovery's WINGS
   program recently.  When Neal left NASA in 1971 (after 17 years of
   service) he became a professor of aerospace engineering at the
   University of incinnati.  He left that post in 1979 to enter
   private business as chairman of CTA, Inc. a computer services
   company.  In 1985-86 Armstrong served as a member of the National
   Commission on Space and was Vice-Chairman of the Presidential 
   Commission investigating the Challenger accident.  He's always
   been a private sort of guy and stays out of the limelight.  I
   think he prefers fishing over talking to reporters.
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From: petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Keywords: craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis)
Organization: <komarimf.718648867@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>o

In article <komarimf.718648867@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski) writes:
>
>Lessee..if I recall correctly, I saw him on the Discovery Channel hosting
>one of their flight or space shows.  I heard that after the moon walk,
>he had some serious bouts with depression, since he had done the most
>important thing in his life and everything else was meaningless.
>
That was not Neil Armstrong. It was Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin that had the 
problems afterward. Neil Armstrong taught in a University for many
years, in Columbus, Ohio I think. Don't know if he is teaching.

Peter Jarvis..........
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Subject: shuttle manifest request
Reply-To: "jeff sumner" <jeff.sumner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: sci
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:44 EST

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Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 11:14:11 SET
From: Mike M. Skala <MSKALA@ESRIN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: STS-46 Crew

I'm not one of the astronaut groupies normally, but
the complete STS-46 (Eureca & TSS-1) crew visited
our establishment yesterday on a PR tour through Europe.
They presented slides and videos of the mission
and we had a short Q&A session afterwards.

I have to admit I was impressed by their personalities
and their competence. Anyone has short bios on them?
(I already found birthdate/place in one of
 Jonathan's Space Reports)

Thanks,
        mike

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Subject: help request
Reply-To: "jeff sumner" <jeff.sumner@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: sci
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:45 EST

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From: se_taylo@rcvie.co.at (Ian Taylor)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Software Development
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:05:16 GMT

In article <1avm6rINN3qv@lychee.cs.utexas.edu> clements@cs.utexas.edu (Paul C. Clements) writes:
>In <a previous article> se_taylo@rcvie.co.at (Ian Taylor) writes:
>>The Space Shuttle software development project has been rated Level 5
>>(the best) on the Software Engineering Institute's Maturity Index. 
>
>Are you sure? 
No, thats why I wanted more information about it. I have _heard_ this claim
several times at conferences. 

>Can you cite a reference that I can go find (preferably
>including who did the evaluation)?   Last I heard, NASA got the highest
>rating *so far* -- which at the time was a 3.   Rumor has a couple of
>4's existing now, but no 5's that aren't a result of self-evaluation.

The best I can do for now is paste here an extract from an article by
Terry Bollinger Message-ID: <1992Aug3.190218.20878@asl.dl.nec.com> that he
posted in comp.software-eng on 3 Aug 1992:

"Dr. Curtis credited the rapid acceleration of the Space
Shuttle Support from Level 1 to Level 5 with an intensive effort to
correct the features of their Space Shuttle Support program prevented it
reaching the higher SEI levels."

Bill Curtis is the current director of the process program at SEI, and
Terry Bollinger is with NEC America and has recently criticised the SEI approach
(IEEE Software July 1991, pp 25-41).

I can also offer a reference via IEEE Software Novemeber 1991 p 79 in an article
by John Baumert of Computer Sciences Corp who says that SEI have updated
their report "The State of Software Engineering Practice" SEI-89-TR-1
(unfortunately I don't have a copy yet). Baumert says 2 per cent of projects
are now at Level 5, maybe this will tell us. Anyone got a copy?

NASA may have a level 3 as an organisation now (they did their own internal
assessment based on an SEI-like procedure back in 1990 for JSC, MFSC, JPL
and GSFC) What is your reference?

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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:45:30 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct9.102536.25650@Cadence.COM> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong, we always hear about the other
>space pioneers but our man Neil fas the first on the moon doesn't
>account for something? ...

Armstrong shuns publicity and seldom gets involved in celebrations of
the past.
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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:25:36 GMT

Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong, we always hear about the other

space pioneers but our man Neil fas the first on the moon doesn't

account for something? When ever there is any celebrations of space travel

there doesn't seem to be any (or little) mention of Neil, is there

any reason?

Sorry if this is in the wrong group but I figured that you guys at NASA 

would have the low down on this great man.

Laters!


Mas
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From: tidedu@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (William T. Dedula)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Sources for Shuttle Flightsuits needed
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello All;
I am seeking some sources for blue Shuttle Flightsuits. I know
they are made by a variety of manufacturers but I don't know 
which ones. If possible, could you provide a address, and/or
phone number. I am aware that they are available from the 
Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama but those only 
come with LOGOs from SpaceCamp. 

Thanks;

Tim

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From: petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Columbia, STS-52 crew practice
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:35:56 GMT
Reply-To: petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis)
Organization: <1992Oct13.182805.11770@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>o

Hi George. I heard through Rich Kolker you all had a good time with 
the Cosmonaut training. Sounds like it would be worth it. I am meeting
with Rich and the Enterprise team in Huntsville in one week for an 8-day
session. Wish you could make that one.

Peter Jarvis......
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From: davem@ee.ubc.ca (david michelson)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:35:14 GMT

In <Bvv7xA.LAH@zoo.toronto.edu>, Henry writes:
>In article <komarimf.718648867@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski) writes:
>>...if I recall correctly, I saw him on the Discovery Channel hosting
>>one of their flight or space shows.  I heard that after the moon walk,
>>he had some serious bouts with depression, since he had done the most
>>important thing in his life and everything else was meaningless.
>
>That sounds like Aldrin, not Armstrong.

Sorry, Henry.  I saw the same series on Arts & Enterntainment last spring.
I can't remember the exact name but it was something like "Flight" with
Neil Armstrong.  So Neil does come out of "retirement" occasionally...
(Actually, I was damn surprised to see him hosting such a show given the
way he shuns public exposure.)
 
My understanding is that *several* of the Apollo astronauts had severe
bouts with depression following their flights for the reasons noted above.
Aldrin was just far more public about the problems that he encountered
(including alcoholism) than the others.

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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Chemically Reacting Air
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:20:34 GMT

I'm trying to model the flow of high temperature air.......
I need to calculate the heat of formation of: N2 O2 N O NO NO+ e-
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anyone know what to do ??? References ????

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while others are doing.
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From: se_taylo@rcvie.co.at (Ian Taylor)
Subject: Shuttle Software Development
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:45:00 GMT

The Space Shuttle software development project has been rated Level 5 (the best)
on the Software Engineering Institute's Maturity Index. 

Does anyone have a reference for a description of their software development
process?

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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<Bvv57v.JqL@zoo.toronto.edu> <1992Oct9.174142.29884@iti.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:31:37 GMT

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:41:42 GMT, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) said:

Allen> In article <Bvv57v.JqL@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong

AWS> At one time he was teaching Aerospace Engineering at the University of
AWS> Cincinatti. I think he also runs some small company in southern Ohio.

>Armstrong shuns publicity and seldom gets involved in celebrations of
>the past.

Everyone who knew Neil when he was a test pilot here thinks that he's
just being consistant.  He was a quiet, soft-spoken golden-arm test
pilot; he didn't change when he went to Houston or to the Moon.

He farms, too.  I know he's pretty active with this (not a gentleman
farmer) because the last time I saw him he was showing Bill Dana and
Milt Thompson the damage he did to one hand when he caught it in some
piece of farm machinery.

A large part of this is the NASA (Dryden) ethic.  You don't brag, you
don't lend your name to things, you don't take advantage of your
position.  I suspect some of this has its roots in the
conflict-of-interest laws and the Hatch Act, but most of it is just
how we do things.  Read Milt Thompson's book--very low-key, very
self-deprecating, very "the team did it and I was part of the team" in
its tone.  (Milt also discusses Neil some in his book, as they are
very good friends.)

AWS> If Apollo had followed the procedures established in Gemini then Aldrin
AWS> would have been the first to set foot on the moon. I have always thought
AWS> it was a pity Aldrin wasn't first since he has done far more since then
AWS> to promote space.

I don't think Buzz could have handled the fame.  Look at how badly he
dealt with being second.

Besides, I think that he's only promoting space because Neil isn't.
Buzz is still competing with Neil and he will be until the day he
dies.  If Neil were promoting space, Buzz would be granting limited
interviews with snide remarks about people prostituting themselves and
cashing in on their fame.

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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:41:42 GMT

In article <Bvv57v.JqL@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong

At one time he was teaching Aerospace Engineering at the University of
Cincinatti. I think he also runs some small company in southern Ohio.

>Armstrong shuns publicity and seldom gets involved in celebrations of
>the past.

If Apollo had followed the procedures established in Gemini then Aldrin
would have been the first to set foot on the moon. I have always thought
it was a pity Aldrin wasn't first since he has done far more since then
to promote space.

  Allen


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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Subject: Re: Where is Neil Armstrong??
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 18:41:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Oct9.174142.29884@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <Bvv57v.JqL@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>>>Does anyone know where Neil Armstrong
>
>At one time he was teaching Aerospace Engineering at the University of
>Cincinatti. I think he also runs some small company in southern Ohio.
>
>>Armstrong shuns publicity and seldom gets involved in celebrations of
>>the past.
>
>If Apollo had followed the procedures established in Gemini then Aldrin
>would have been the first to set foot on the moon. I have always thought
>it was a pity Aldrin wasn't first since he has done far more since then
>to promote space.

Oh well. Aldrin should have been the civvie then.

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