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From: mickel@OES.ORST.EDU (Paul M. Mickel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Okay, let's stop pretending this group works.
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:52:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr14.175201.27439
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.

In article <8#@byu.edu> gritton@byu.edu writes:
>brnstnd@nyu.edu writes:

[stuff about the newsgrp not working deleted for brevity]

>
>>Yo, wizards. (We all know who I'm talking to: a ``wizard'' in my book is
>>someone who can rewrite the system from scratch.) Here's a suggestion.
>
>OK, so I'm not a wizard in your book. I think I'll responf anyway.

Same for me.

>Really, expert-only subjects such as this will only work in an invitation-
>based mailing list. Only let non-wizard (but somewhat experienced) people
>like me jion read-only. You shouldn't care who listens, only who talks.

[boy, the sun-managers mailing list is busy these days....]

I agree here completely. While I almost never post to this grp, I do follow
the discussion and end up learning quite a lot from it. I can agree with the
idea of a reorganization to make it more logical, but attempting to exclude
other readers because one feels that other readers don't have the understanding
it requires is a bit of an arrogant presumption on the part of the person 
proposing this change........

>--
>James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim


-- 
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From: ted@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Ted Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:58:41 GMT
Subject: Re: What is the system call for microsecond sleep?
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards

>I am developing some portable code in which I need to use microsecond
>sleep. So, I used usleep(microsecond) system call. The problem is Decstation
>does not support this call.

Try this:

usleep(val)
unsigned long val;
{
struct timeval timer;

    timer.tv_sec  = val / 1000000L;
    timer.tv_usec = val % 1000000L;

    select(0, 0, 0, 0, &timer);
}

-Ted
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: terry@ithaca.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: Multiple proc. FD access question - HELP PLEASE!!
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.033510.1@ttd.teradyne.com>, tokarski@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
|> Hello Unix Wizards, Gurus, et al!
|> 
|> Sorry if this is a repost - I check the news two days after posting and didn't
|> see my posting.
|> 
|> We've been trying to do some TTY port manipulations that don't seem possible,
|> but we'd like verification.  Exactly what we're attempting is to have a 
|> process 'open()' a tty port, fork a child, have the child establish a
|> connection through a modem, and ultimately terminate.  We would LIKE the
|> modem connection to be maintained due to the fact that the PARENT process
|> performed the 'open'.
|> 
|> We do have HUPCL set, but when the child process terminates, the modem drops
|> the connection and closes the descriptor.
|> 
|> The termio documentation leads us to believe that HUPCL should only close the
|> tty when the LAST PROCESS that has the 'line' open TERMINATES.  Experience
|> seems to indicate otherwise.
|> 
|> The question is - is there any way to accomplish our goal?
|> 
|> As I am currently out of the office and have VERY limited access to the news,
|> could replies please be sent to my email address below?  Thanks TREMENDOUSLY
|> in advance.

	I'm going to CC this to you, but I'm also going to post it; we've
all had to listen to the question twice; so we might as well all listen to
me gripe 8-(.

	Look, you are explaining a procedure that doesn't work, and then
asking if there is another method of accomplishing the same goal that the
procedure was intended to resolve -- what is that goal?

	There are at least 5 possible reasons your attempts are failing
to operate as you expect, one of which is pathalogical, all of which are
dependant on your ultimate goal.  Certainly there will be more than one
soloution for the problem.

	Also what are you running on (OS, revision, box, port cards)?
I can guarantee the means of achieving you as-yet-unstated goal will be
different for different configurations.


					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
From: pernik%varda.ics.muni.cs%CSBRMU11.BITNET@aearn.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Jan Pernica)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: porting gas
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:27:11 GMT

Hello everybody,
Can somebody tell me, how I can compile GNU AS on SCO UNIX sysv/i386.
If I compiled it with options for sysv/i3836, it compiled objects
for VAX.
			Thank you
				Jan Pernica
				pernik%varda.ics.muni.cs@CSBRMU11.BITNET
From: sysadmin@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Wouter Smaal)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: fsck
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:07:32 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

Is it possible that fsck does not discover disk errors?

-- 
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                                 P-mail: Lorentzweg 1, 2628 CJ Delft, Holland
Department of Applied Physics    V-mail: +31-(0)15-781416
Delft University of Technology   Fax   : +31-(0)15-626740 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Subject: Re: how to tell if tape drives are present on current host
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 02:35:58 GMT

In article <22586@cgl.ucsf.EDU> rodgers@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there have a clever (and civilized, i.e., non-disruptive)
>software trick for determining if tape drives are physically attached to the
>current host?

I like to grep for "st" and "mt" in /usr/adm/messages*, or from dmesg output.

You could write a quick one-liner to make it a little prettier:
	% grep st /usr/adm/messages
	Mar 13 19:01:06 myhostname vmunix: st0 at esp0 target 4 lun 0
	Mar 13 19:01:06 myhostname vmunix: st0: <Exabyte 8mm Helical Scan>

-- 
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MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
Xref: sparky comp.unix.wizards:2135 comp.os.mach:611 comp.os.misc:483
From: cionca@siihp1.epfl.ch (Ion Cionca)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc
Subject: Lightweight Processes Library
Keywords: LWP
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:26:31 GMT
Reply-To: cionca@siihp1.epfl.ch (Ion Cionca)
Followup-To: comp.unix.wizards
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


	Hello everybody,

	I am looking for the Lightweight Processes Library (LWP)
	for HP-UX or for some PD stuff doing the same job.

	I know that OSF has "threads" AKA "lightweight processes".
	Can I rely on this or it's too different from LWP?

	If you have any infos (HP ref, PD FTP sites or other),
	I'd really appreciate it!

	Thanx in advance

	Ion

	P.S. e-mail me directly and I'll summarize

-- 


                    Ion CIONCA
                    Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL)
                    Service Informatique Central 
                    1015 LAUSANNE (SWITZERLAND)
                    E-Mail : cionca@sic.epfl.ch
                    Tel : (+41 21) 693.45.86
Xref: sparky comp.unix.wizards:2168 comp.sys.sun.admin:2455
From: cudcv@warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: how to tell if tape drives are present on current host
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:43:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Apr8.023558.28225@draco.macsch.com> todd@draco.macsch.com
(Todd C. Williams) writes: 
>I like to grep for "st" and "mt" in /usr/adm/messages*, or from dmesg output.
>
>You could write a quick one-liner to make it a little prettier:
>	% grep st /usr/adm/messages
>	Mar 13 19:01:06 myhostname vmunix: st0 at esp0 target 4 lun 0
>	Mar 13 19:01:06 myhostname vmunix: st0: <Exabyte 8mm Helical Scan>

On SunOS, at least on Sun4{c,m}, `devinfo' is good for this:

Node 'SUNW,Sun 4/600', unit #0 (no driver)
        Node 'iommu', unit #0
                Node 'sbus', unit #0
                        Node 'dma', unit #0
                                Node 'esp', unit #0
                                        Node 'st', unit #1
                                        Node 'st', unit #0

Cheers,

Rob
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Rob McMahon, Computing Services, Warwick University, Coventry CV4 7AL, England
From: brnstnd@nyu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Okay, let's stop pretending this group works.
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:24:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: virtualn.11245.Apr1404.24.1792
Organization: IR
X-Original-Subject: Re: Virtual Addresses:How I get the ones *I* want

> 	Yo, Wizards -

Yo, wizards. (We all know who I'm talking to: a ``wizard'' in my book is
someone who can rewrite the system from scratch.) Here's a suggestion.
We're never going to successfully kill comp.unix.wizards but we can stop
pretending it works. It's a fact of USENET today that the naive newbies
(who for some reason always seem to outnumber the old hands) cannot cope
with the concept of a group dedicated to wizardly discussions. So why
don't we figure out what subject groups would be necessary so that all
the real traffic in comp.unix.wizards has a home, collectively agree to
ignore comp.unix.wizards, and be happy with a logical subject division?

As a start I propose comp.unix.future and comp.unix.kernel. Note that
comp.unix.internals will have to be ignored along with unix-wizards for
reasons which we all know (hell, threads still seem to migrate between
the two groups!), and comp.unix.kernel will nicely absorb what doesn't
fit into comp.unix.programmer. comp.unix.future will carry some
discussions like ``Windows NT versus UNIX'' but it will still have room
for the musings of people who see technical improvements, from the most
trivial things like -print0 to grand sweeping reorganizations. If we add
these groups then comp.unix.* will be divided into several subjects:

  kernel: below the syscall interface
  programmer: above the syscall interface, below the shell interface
  shell: above the shell interface
  admin: sysadmin discussions
  future: the UNIX of tomorrow
  questions: catch-all
  misc: same as questions but for people who prefer statements to questions

Can anyone propose a better slate?

---Dan
From: anewcomb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Andy Newcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:16:59 GMT

unsubscribe
From: labc-4ac@e260-4c.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Printing troubles
Date: 10 Apr 1992 20:36:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4c.berkeley.edu
Summary: Do you know what print type this is?
Originator: labc-4ac@e260-4c.berkeley.edu

I have acquired a number of text (.txt) files, but they are not quite
standered aascii files.  They have lines like the following:

@C-HEAD = Hypercannon

or

<B>Hypercannon<M>

or 

Cr.	15	6d<F128P10> <F255P255>5

does anyone recignive these??  I want to print these documents on a standered
ps laser printer.  I am running on a sun 3/50 running BSD unix (I'm not sure
of the release).  If anyone has ANY ideas, could they please e-mail me, as
I do not regurally read these groups.  THANKS!!!!!


 -=- Matthew L. Seidl
     seidl@cory.berkeley.edu
     seidl@petrus.berkeley.edu
     seidl@ocf.berkeley.edu
     seidl@soda.berkeley.edu
.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: non-blocking accept()
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:43:21 GMT

This posting should not have appeared in comp.unix.wizards.  I have
posted a response in comp.unix.programmer.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
		 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
From: fischema@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Max Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: multiple signals
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:47:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: Informat.1992Apr16.084733.29957
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Originator: fischerm@hpsiegert4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de


Hello,
I've got a question concerning SIGNALS: I wanted to write a signal-handler
that reacts to SIGUSR1, but I found no way to prevent signals to get lost,
if there are more in a short period of time. As I am a beginner in UNIX
system-programming, I asked some people and I've been told, that there
is no way to prevent signals from getting lost.
Is this (almost impossible fact) true???
Does anybody have a solution to my problem???
How could I (at least) minimize the probability of lost signals???

Thanks 
	Max
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: fitzgb@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald)
Subject: Intro to comp.unix.wizards - read before posting (weekly announcement, last change: Feb 29 17:20)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:01:08 GMT
Expires: Sun, 3 May 1992 10:00:20 GMT

Please take a moment to read this before posting to comp.unix.wizards
for the first time.

comp.unix.wizards is for in-depth discussion of advanced unix topics.

Please do not post elementary questions to comp.unix.wizards.  Although
some socket questions (for example) are appropriate, "How do I program
with sockets?" is not.

Crossposting questions to both comp.unix.wizards and
comp.unix.questions is inappropriate.  Wizards often read
comp.unix.questions and answer questions there.

What is a wizard?  A wizard is someone who can rewrite the entire
system from scratch.  Most of us cannot, and therefore do not ask or
answer questions here.  But please do follow along the discussions.
You'll learn quite a bit about how UNIX works.

For a list of answers to frequently asked questions (FAQ), please refer
to comp.unix.questions (or comp.lang.c, news.answers, etc...).  "How do
I delete a file whose name starts with a '-' ?" is an example of such a
question.  Please do not ask or answer FAQ's on the net.

Write to Unix-Wizards-Request@BRL.MIL (Subject: subscribe.  Any
message.) if you want a daily digest of this newsgroup mailed to you.

E-mail comments about this posting are welcome.  From time to time I'll
summarize them.

Brian
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These opinions are mine, and do not necessarily reflect those of any
academic department or computing service at Rensselaer.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,alt.unix.wizards
Subject: rsh holes
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:16:45 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC



I have been given a system to check out with restricted shell
log ins and have been given the task of finding the flaws
in the rsh login accounts.  I have tried some of the flaws
I have seen before (escape to shell, reesetting paths, etc)
to no avail.  Anybody know of a rsh hole which may need to
be plugged?

I already have a regular login to the account so I can set up
possible scenerios.

Send it me directly or post if you think it is usefull information.
-- 
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NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
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From: kdyapa@pica.army.mil (Krishna R. Dyapa)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: ultrix systems help
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:48:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: adm.30067

Hi there,
 
       I have a small problem executing a shell program which
    contains a menu for the users (using ultrix Operating system 
    4.2 on MICROVAX II Machine).  I added an option for them to 
    logout in the menu using "logout;;" command in the program. 
    This command doesn't work and gives me the following 
    error message:  "sh: logout not found".
 
      Even if I include the path for the shell, it still does the 
    same thing.  I couldn't find any other command to logout 
    in the system, but takes the "exit" or "logout" command
    if typed at the prompt anyhow.
 
      NOTE: 

      One of the systems administrator here suggested, to get the 
    process ID # for the shell and do a "kill -9" on that #. 

      Is there any easy or better way to do this, other than 
    killing the process ID?  Any help will be appreciated. 


      Thanks in advance.

    Email: kdyapa@pica.army.mil    Phone:(201) 724-3339.
From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Defining a wizard (was: Okay...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:18:07 GMT
	<1992Apr14.213904.26106@cco.caltech.edu>
	<1992Apr14.224626.10108@ra.msstate.edu>
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA

fwp@Jester.CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:

>Who decides?  I don't think we are going to come up with a
>completely objective definition (congratulations, you scored 98 out
>of a possible 100 on the official usenet UNIX wizard test).  So
>someone is going to have to make a judgement.  Some kind of counsel
>of wizards governing body?

One easy way to tell is to ask "are you a wizard?" True, that goes by
bravado instead of knowlege, but most of who need weeding out are
those who even call themselves beginners.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: lacey@kira.egr.msu.edu (Mark M. Lacey)
Subject: Problem with Make
Organization: Michigan State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:35:33 GMT

I am having a problem with 'make' that I can't seem to resolve.  I read
through the man-page and didn't see anything that would help me out.
The problem: 'make' is using the date on the symbolic link I have,
rather than the date of what the link points to.  Is there any way to
force 'make' to look at the date on the file that is being linked to?

Thanks,

Mark M. Lacey
[lacey@egr.msu.edu]
From: BrianK@cup.portal.com (Brian - Kilgore)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Device Drivers
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:22:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Does anyone know where I can get some good documentation on TTY device
drivers?  I have written a TTY device driver for SCO Unix 3.2.2 and it does
work, but it needs many improvements.  I used the examples out of the
device driver guide, but the documentation on why different lines of code are
in the device driver is very incomplete.  Some of the kernal functions that
are used are not documented in any way.  I also have "Writing A UNIX Device
Driver" by Janet I. Egan & Thomas J. Teixeira, but this just covers the
basics.

Also, does anyone know of a public domain floppy device driver for two floppy
drives?  I would like this to be for Interactive Version 2.2, but any example
will do.  I am interested in adding support for a floppy tape drive (called
COREtape light EL).

I will be greatful for any help.

My address is briank@cup.portal.com.
From: ortmann@plains.NoDak.edu (Daniel Ortmann)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Suggestion for a new wizards newsgroup name
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:06:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16871
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Call the new group "comp.unintelligible.unix.questions"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Subject: Re: Okay, let's stop pretending this group works.
Lines: 50
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 09:17:17 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
	<11245.Apr1404.24.1792@virtualnews.nyu.edu>
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

brnstnd@nyu.edu writes:

>Yo, wizards. (We all know who I'm talking to: a ``wizard'' in my book is
>someone who can rewrite the system from scratch.) Here's a suggestion.

OK, so I'm not a wizard in your book. I think I'll responf anyway.

>We're never going to successfully kill comp.unix.wizards but we can stop
>pretending it works. It's a fact of USENET today that the naive newbies
>(who for some reason always seem to outnumber the old hands) cannot cope
>with the concept of a group dedicated to wizardly discussions.

I don't see what the obstacle is to removing the group, especially as it
gets continually worse. I believe the suggested wait is six months between
bids to remove the group. It's been at least that since the last try. No?

>So why
>don't we figure out what subject groups would be necessary so that all
>the real traffic in comp.unix.wizards has a home, collectively agree to
>ignore comp.unix.wizards, and be happy with a logical subject division?
>As a start I propose comp.unix.future and comp.unix.kernel. Note that
>comp.unix.internals will have to be ignored along with unix-wizards for
>reasons which we all know (hell, threads still seem to migrate between
>the two groups!), and comp.unix.kernel will nicely absorb what doesn't
>fit into comp.unix.programmer.

I was under the impression that the internals of UNIX *is* its kernel.
You're right -- comp.unix.internals is in bad shape too. But the magic
word "kernel" will attract the same newbies at the same rate "internals"
did. Then we'll have three useless groups instead of two.

>comp.unix.future will carry some
>discussions like ``Windows NT versus UNIX'' but it will still have room
>for the musings of people who see technical improvements, from the most
>trivial things like -print0 to grand sweeping reorganizations.

The quick decline of news.future (it took less than a day) into discussion
of censorship and high school access prophesies doom for comp.unix.future.
I see the "major" threads being like the "Windows NT" thing.

My suggestion is sci.astro.argyle. It will keep new users completely away,
and will be plagued by only a few questions from astronomy people who
wonder what the Argyle System is. The only problem is getting it
through the vote.

Really, expert-only subjects such as this will only work in an invitation-
based mailing list. Only let non-wizard (but somewhat experienced) people
like me jion read-only. You shouldn't care who listens, only who talks.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: terry@ithaca.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: Okay, let's stop pretending this group works.
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.224626.10108@ra.msstate.edu>, fwp@Jester.CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
|> 2) Who decides?  I don't think we are going to come up with a
|>    completely objective definition (congratulations, you scored 98 out
|>    of a possible 100 on the official usenet UNIX wizard test).  So
|>    someone is going to have to make a judgement.  Some kind of counsel
|>    of wizards governing body?

	"One Token-Ring to rule them all,
	 One Token-Ring to find them!
	 One Token-Ring to take them all,
	 And in the darkness bind them!"

Rings!  Official wizards need rings!  With runes like "you are not expected to understand this"!

						Terry Lambert
						terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
						terry@icarus.weber.edu
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