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From: rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe)
Subject: Oooh, am I miffed!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:54:17 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Growf!  I just got back home from a night out at a local disco (it's
gay night 2-nite).  I almost had a wonderful time, but...

I just posted recently about the cute little pin (button) I bought.
Pretty inocuous, 1.5 cm diameter, interlocking mars/venus signs.
So, I'm walking along, I pass a group of folks, and pull up a stool.
Then I hear them saying stuff like "Did you see that pin?  Imagine
walking around saying 'I'm bisexual.'  Yuck!  What audacity!"
So I look over, and yes, they were talking about ME.  I smiled
demurel, got up, and found a much more bi-friendly environment...
Here.  Hug me?


-- 
Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
I drank too much beer, then tried to sober up by drinking
too much coffee.  The result was that I was still making
irrational decisions, but I was making them *FAST*!  -me
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:11:56 GMT

In article <BzGMLp.vxL@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>Figure out a way
>to make the new language attractive to use (instead of a grim
>faced moralistic necessity), and people will jump on it quickly.
>For example, if its hip to use gender-neutral/feminist-sensitive
>language ......

It is.  Where does that leave you?
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tori Amos (was Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out))
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:52:30 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec18.022044.20345@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:

>In article <29714@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>
>>>No.  Please, who is Tori Amos?
>>
>[sara mentions a review...]

>Tori Amos is effing amazing!!  I love her _Little Earthquakes_
>CD!!!  I have been playing it all day!!!!!  In the middle of
>the first song, I set the CD player to <repeat>...  Wow!!
><More, more!!!!>  Now I have to run out and buy copies for
>my sister and friends...


>Piglet, who also thinks she's gorgeous...

There you are, what did I tell you, my lovely?  :)

If anyone knows where to get a copy of Y Kant Tori Read (yes, I know it's
out of print) let me know...just for collecting purposes.

And for the record, I think she's bloody AMAZINGLY gorgeous...women with red
hair drive me batty (not too difficult with a vampire :)).

Drewcifer
-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
***************************************************************************
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: NIN
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:22:32 PST(-800)
Organization: The White Bull
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1gottbINN77g@agate.berkeley.edu> (soc.bi), rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> 
> In article <01010066.l9k7a1@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
> 
> One caveat: I couldn't stand to bottom to NIN.  I'd get entirely too toppish
> and have to have my top beat me back into sub-space with a bat or something
> (not that I'd object :) ).  Of course, if you want to be uppity, this may
> help.  Certainly Kerry, who's the toppish bitch from hell (self-described :)
> ), has no problems :)

Well I also tend to be a rather "bad" slave, rather aggressive and all
that.  I suppose that it could be described as a toppish bottom.  Of
course, I'm still pretty new to all of this, so everything could change
tomorrow. :-)
> 
> ->Shiver, drifting off into pleasurable  memories of last night, but very
> ->glad to find no teeth or nail marks this morning. 
> 
> *purr* Sure, just tease us.

(Innocent look) Me tease???  Nah, never. ;-)

I already was aware of my rather intense reaction to long (slightly
sharp) fingernails, but the only thing that suprised me more that the
bite was my reaction to it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Vikki's Problems With Kerry&Me
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:03:23 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <iw.724439252@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>->rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>->
>->> ... I don't call myself a feminist, but I _do_ believe in
>->>feminist principles ... And heck, I could out-manbash you any day of the
>->>week :).
>->
>->
>->Clue ... BIG CLUE ...  EVEN BIGGER CLUE .... Feminism is not a 
>->man-bashing movement.

>Babe, I didn't say it was.  I did say (somewhere that you didn't include)
>that I felt Vikki was manbashing, and that I could match her on this point.

QUESTION .... was the word BABE used in this context as some form of cutesey
irony, or was it used in the way men regularly use it to dismiss the
opinion of a woman.

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Whole Penis Thing ...
From: bigrigg@.cs.pitt.edu.cs.pitt.edu (Michael W. Bigrigg)
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:40:34 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
: 
: Not sure about my interpretation, but I do know that I wish men
: had detachable penises, I really do.  I really don't think that
: I would have any gender issues at all if that were the case.
: 

Gee, my ex-girlfriend used to say that she wished she had detachable
breasts.  My point is that if I had detachable parts, I wouldn't be
so much human as a Mr. Potato-Head. 

- Mike
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:51:45 GMT

yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>Muffy has a GIF!!!!  I want it I want it I want it!!! :)

Mpf. You can have it *smile*.

*Ducks as Muffy straps on her military gaffer tape and goes after him with...
a big butch knife?

>No Nic.. it's a big butch *DYKE* knife!  Get it right, son! :)

Ah. I sit corrected. I am in a good mood though. Got myself a CLASSIC version
of Mahler's 2nd PLUS his orchestral Wunderhorn lieder for $25; had an
abortive mental debate with Micchelino on pornography; went back to the
CS Labs where I got to *finally* goof off for the first time in a month
(I *am* like I post --- but not in the company of Giuseppino & Kar, and
not at my excruciatingly boring workplace) --- and did I ever goof! *smile*

>>Suzanne Vega: Get *back* in my head, woman! :) :)
>O Nicster, have you heard that "Bad Wisdom" song?  I heard it the other day
>on the Lesbian Show.. damn it's a good song!

Not bad, I'll admit... I've yet to get _Farenheit 99.9_, and I suspect it
may be simply that me and her have outgrown each other *sad familiar smile:
I've heard those words someplace before*... but it's a good song, and _Blood 
Makes Noise_ is a sort of welcome backdoor techno reversion to the Suzanne 
of yore.

Btw, to my knowledge Suzanne is not queer. She should be, of course :) ---
well, look what that keyboardist boyfriend of hers has made her into. :)

Oh, and Kay? *slurp* I saw _The Protecting Veil_ at the Fine Music shop
today! Only I couldn't buy it on my budget, as they were hawking some 
*pathetic* Mahler's 2nds for $60 --- I ended up getting the Haitink classic 
at Myer's department store, fer chrissakes!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled high-standard debate.


%^) %^) %^) %") %^) %^) %^| %^) %^) B^) %^) %^) %^) ;^) %^) %^) %^[ %^) %^) 8)
NICK NICHOLAS!! nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au ! IRC: nicxjo ! Melbourne Uni, Oz!!!
 "I've been told that I'm sexy and cute, intelligent and witty with a great 
 sense of humour, but then people will say anything when they're about to come 
 in your mouth." Judes, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk <9qfmbqh5@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio)
Subject: De-muffinning 
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:58:41 GMT

Hi everyone. This is it! You're not gonna believe this, but I've been
reading this group since January and this is the first time I've had the
courage to post. I guess there comes a time when you just gotta do
self-indulgent, incredibly short-sighted things...;-)

So here I am, hug me, quick!

Oh, and I just have one question: Ciaran is the moderator here, right?
(Teasing, just teasing!)

-sh

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Help! I've been killfiled and I can't get out!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:05:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.215024.25234@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <BzDF0o.GLE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
>dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>>[Re: putting people in your killfile]
>>I do think it is a dangerous practice to apply so broad a filter.
>>People you do not like often have things to say as important as
>>said by those people you do like.  Usually the 'n' and 'k' keys
>>are powerful enough for me, and only used for subjects I have no
>>interest in (not discussions where the main participant(s) irritates
>>me).
>
>You are generalising from your own experience and assuming that other
>people feel (or should feel) similarly. Some of us don't. If/how one
>uses a killfile or not is a personal choice and is not subject to your
>approval.
>
>
>Ciaran.
>-- 

And pray tell, where do I suggest it is?  I'm not giving out licences,
I was just making an observation coupled with an explanation of my
own policy.  The part where I demanded we all do the same eludes me.

The observation stands.  Your reaction to it is entirely beyond my domain, as
I've understood in the past and continue to understand now.


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Oooh, am I miffed!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:50:02 GMT

In article <MlR=7x#@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>Then I hear them saying stuff like "Did you see that pin?  Imagine
>walking around saying 'I'm bisexual.'  Yuck!  What audacity!"
>So I look over, and yes, they were talking about ME.  I smiled
>demurel, got up, and found a much more bi-friendly environment...
>Here.  Hug me?
>
Imagine that you're bisexual...tsk tsk tsk
hugs support from my corner.  
I *will* respond to your mail soon. bi.
>
>Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
               SILENCE = DEATH                I'm not a puzzle piece 
Give me life, Give me pain,                   don't try and fit me in.
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.             The Origin.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Help! I've been killfiled and I can't get out!
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:57:56 GMT

In article <BzDF0o.GLE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>(Course, I also find it odd that someone has a 'favourite [person] in
>the world' that they have never met :-?)

I think that's a misparse, Brad; should have been parsed as 'favourite
person-whom-I've-never-met in the world'.  I've got one of those, too;
I think (hope) that it won't be too long before I meet them.  Then
(alas) they'll lose the 'favourite person' distinction.

>>How does one spell achieve, anyway?  I started with acheive, then
>>switched to achieve, which looks right, but I'm confused......
>'i before e except after c' (directly after, that is)
>('and when they say "ay" as in neighbour and weigh')
>So it is achieve.

By that reason, you'd spell "wierd" and "wier".

Does anyone know how to (if you can) trap all the exceptions?  I suspect
this is an alt.usage.english question, mind you.  (Sara? Graham? Paul?)

				Kay
				
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: See Roy?
Keywords: Here I am!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:40:30 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <1gsfh4INN1sh@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>In article <hxn22jb@rpi.edu> safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>>-> See Roy?  Here I am!
>>-><Bounces up and down above the sea of people posting to soc.bi.>
>>-> Told you I was in here somewhere, believe me now?
>>
>>Points! Yeay! Hey everyone, it's Points!

>*The* Points?  the *FurryMUCK* Points?

>				Kay
>-- 
>6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
>Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
>37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
>Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents

Whoa, I have a rep already?  Yeah, _THAT_ Points... Now what are you going
to do about it?  <Evil grin....>

-Points
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:40:19 GMT

In article <L3TRVB3w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>
 panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>> Just my $.02.  (babble babble babble)
>>
>> Darren
>
>Are you feeling tired or something, Darren?

*laugh*  Always, dear.  This time of the year more than ever.
I guess it's part of the 'holiday spirit' or something.  ;)

>Hugs,
>Elizabeth

*hugs* back at you too, sweetie!

Darren
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to family??
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:57:48 GMT
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: rks@cscns.com's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:31:44 GMT

In article <BzDwGy.3so@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson) writes:
>I guess I really don't consider my lifestyle to be any of my family's
>business. It is not up to them to 'accept' me. They have two options in
>my own view: they can either accept it or they can fuck off. (That is 
>assuming that I have a piece of information that I may choose to share
>with them.) 

>It really bothers me that people seem to be bothered about this?Why in
>the world do we have a tendency to give these people so much power? 

Funny you should mention that...*grin*.  I just wrote a long post in
another forum about what "family" means.  To make it rather briefer,
"family," to me, is that set of people who will always accept and
support you, knowing who you are.  The people who raise you or are
raised with you often fall into this category; even if you fall out of
touch with them, you have a strong relationship with them simply from
having lived with them for so long, especially while you were becoming
a "real person."

So, to me, if my relatives-as-family (mother and brother, in this case)
will not accept me being, for example, bi, then as far as I am concerned
they are *not* treating me as family.  Given that being able to depend
on them, even if we're way out of touch, is an important thing in my
life, that's rather a blow.  I want to *know* that they will accept
*me*, no matter who I turn out to be...*smile*.  If they don't, okay,
I'll live with that, but I'd be much happier if they did.  So, I tell
(told) them and see what happens.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Religion
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:09:54 EST

h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

> In article <71232@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSO
> >
> >This brings me to something that has bothered the Hell out of me for some ti
> >. Why is sex such a bad thing according to the christians? Why is it
> >considered a sin, both in the Old testament and in the New?
> 

I asked a Chrsitian friend why sex was a sin and homosexuality even worse 
and she said, "Because the Bible says so."

But the Bible says lots of contradictory things, including featuring gays 
that are okay.

I think books like "The Chalice and the Blade" by Rhiane Eisler are on 
track on this one: that it was an attempt to impose patriarchal power on 
the world (which meant subjugating women and gays) and they therefore had 
to impress on everything that sex was BAD and women were responsible for 
the badness.

It doesn't make sense, of course, but it looks as if it worked....

For a while.


Namaste,
Elizabeth



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:20:05 GMT



Well, after ranting at length on the tone here in soc.bi, I am a mite
dumbstruck and put down by this.  It was personal, initmate, thoughtful, and
none of these at the expense of other people.  Whether I agree or disagree
with Gus is hardly an issue, given that this little piece of eloquence wiped
away a large part of the black depression reading soc.bi has given me today.

>My apologies go to anyone I might hurt or offend unintentionally.
>(Maybe even e-hugs afterwards, but I'm not feeling cuddly right now.)
>--
>Gus Rodgers

Well, first time I've felt like doing this since I came back:

*hugs*, Gus

Hopefully I'll hear more of your voice and balanced reason in the future.


Brad

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Changing Vocations
Organization: CNS User Services, University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:58:42 GMT

In article <1gsbqsINN1h0@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <BzFrn9.3pB@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll) writes:
>->In article <1gr1k0INNigq@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>->>
>->>I think I'll work alphabetically ... of course, the alphabet starts with C
>->>and ends with B.  Everyone knows that.
>->>
>->
>->Aww...no fair!  I'm an Accountant. *pout*
>
>Well, I think that based on James' objection, I think I'd like to work
>through my friends, first, then through the vocations...
>
>Feeling better, James?
>

Depends where in the queue I am.  ;-)  *mischievious wink*

>-roy
>
>-- 
>Roy S. Rapoport     internet: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu      bitnet: rsrsoda@ucbocf
>"What I used to think is me ... is just a faded memory ... " -NIN
>DISCLAIMER:  I speak for the University of California at Berkeley.  Rrrright.

-James


-- 
I'm feeling kinda loose, I'm feeling kinda mean       | First I was a murderer
I've been feeling kinda wild since I turned seventeen | Then I was a saint
- Melissa Etheridge, "Ain't It Heavy"                 | -The Glove,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| "Like An Animal"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: FAQ request
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:27:40 GMT


Hello folks.  I'm looking for a copy of the soc.bi FAQ.  Since I don't
normally read this group, could someone e-mail it to me?

Thanks in advance,
--scoT

-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@ravel.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: CNS User Services, University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:10:33 GMT

In article <BzEILs.Gt8@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <BzDEq6.KCo@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>>In article <BzC7on.8to@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>
>>Who needs bear codes anyway?
>>I am about 5'10", have greenish eyes, and have been told that I look
>>like James Spader.  
>
>That's exactly why bearcodes are handy.  Who the asterisks is James Spader?
>And - more operatively - what does he look like? (And if you say "Well,
>he looks somewhat like Jim Dilmore", I shall spank you, d'you hear?)
>

He's an American actor who looks somewhat like Jim Dilmore.  I can't
remember what movies his been in.  

>
>
>				Kay
>				
>-- 
>6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
>Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
>37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
>Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents

-James

-- 
I'm feeling kinda loose, I'm feeling kinda mean       | First I was a murderer
I've been feeling kinda wild since I turned seventeen | Then I was a saint
- Melissa Etheridge, "Ain't It Heavy"                 | -The Glove,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| "Like An Animal"
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