HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: coakley@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Cpl.Flash )
Subject: Moon sightings
Organization: Coventry University, England
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:32:14 GMT


	I'm not to sure of this as i dont have the book to hand (Above
	Top Secret), but wasn't there a report that the crew of the eagle
	(Armstrong et al), when they left the module, turned round and 
	found themselves looking at alien craft at the top of a crater?
	I think armstrong said something like "..my god there's hundreds
	of them". I'm not to sure because as i say i don't have the book with
	me,could anyone send me the full report (transcript if possible).

				Thanks
				      Garrett Coakley
From: lewish@woods.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:18:12 GMT
Organization: University of Lowell

In article <11256@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.160042.25890@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris) writes:
> |> 
> |> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars observer will
> |> verify that and the existence of other artifacts.
> |> 
> 
> Well, that's really silly.  Why would anyone in their right mind carve faces
> in the side of a mountain??
> 
> bill
> 
> -- 
> 
>      Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
>      bill@cs.uofs.edu         |  This space would be left intentionally blank
>                               |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

We do. Why not them ? (If it is them, and i'm not saying it is!)

Henry Lewis
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: A letter to Clinton/Gore
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:03:42 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov18.074528.14279@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) writes...
>Below is a letter I have written to President elect, and Vice President
>Clinton/Gore regarding UFO secrecy. I would appreciate any constructive
>comments...
> 
>The reason I am writing to you is to inform you that as a regular
>member of UFO discussion groups on USENET and other electronic
>media, there is growing awareness that the US government has
>systematically hidden the truth of regular UFO radar sightings at
>military installations, UFO crashes and recoveries, and possibly
>even extraterrestrial (ET) visitation, communication, and
>agreements made with races from beyond our planet.

Well, to start off in a somewhat accusational tone, based on information that's
ambiguous at best, is probably a bad idea. The name "USENET" probably means
nothing to an average politician.

>I will not define or argue these charges, since they are well
>documented in books such as Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret",
>Michael Lindemann's "UFO's; Six Viewpoints" and William Hamilton's
>"Cosmic Top Secret" as well as dozens of other literary works of a
>similar nature.

Again, well documented or not, these charges are not well known outside of the
UFO community, and to thus quote them like gospel, to be quite honest, makes
you sound like a looney to most people. This is meant to be constructive - you
have to keep in mind that UFOs are a fringe subject, and Joe Sixpack would get
a good laugh out of a.a.v and the "flying saucer freaks"...

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Haunting Ghost, Mc Donald Lineage)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the truth etc etc...
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:06:15 GMT
Organization: My Castle in the Air
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kibo@world.std.com (James Kibo Parry) writes:

:    The Pianoid Linguiniae, phallic-shaped aerosol beings that smell like rum
:    The Floopies, the best creatiures in the Universe at their specialized
:         task of shouting "Floop-floop-a-doop!"
:    The Zzzzzz, the most boring creatures in our galaxy
:    The Aaaaaaaa, who believe in being first in all things, and who often
:         fool people into thinking someone's fallen out a window
:    The Schwa, who shrug a lot
:    The Fnord, which are completely generic, more so that humans

Cold Coffee.

:        Gee, I couldn't top the silly names.
:                                                        -- K.

Ps. :-)

--
...regardait avec plaisir la jolie main qui, comme un petit felin souple,
jouait et sautillait sur le rebord de la fenetre, qui se ramassait comme sur
un bond, se tournait et retournait, faisait le gros dos, prenait son elan vers
le couteau a decouper, dont elle s'amusait a faire rouler le manche, reculait
pour s'etaler a plat, saisissait ensuite le couteau, s'en emparait d'un
mouvement agile, le soulevait pour faire briller au soleil la lame...

                                                     JJ
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Phobos II Incident
Keywords: Phobos II
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:39:21 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

Flame me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the problem with Phobos II that the
control center accidentally sent the craft a "switch off antenna" signal,
realising then that the craft could not receive any "switch on antenna"
signals they might send.

I understand that the West is imposing quite strict double-checking procedures
on the Russian end of Mars 94 now.

Ian J Davenport    MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY    ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: skar@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Keith M. Skar)
Subject: Info Needed
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:31:18 GMT
Organization: Minot State University -- Minot, ND.

A friend of mine would like to find out all he can about
Area 51....Is there a FAQ or a ftp site for this newsgroup.
Or can anybody send me some Info...

Thanks
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 17:57:08 CET
From: Mutter Christoph Johannes <K3032E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Test

This is only a test? Nevermind (NIRVANA).
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: 1800 Encounter.
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

To: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
From: Joseph.Daniels@homebase.com
Topic: Air Force Letter 200-2

          Air Force Letter 200-2 (Regulation) USA
               by Joseph Daniels aka UFO JOE

After  a couple months of the Robertson Panel Meeting in  January
1953  Air  Force Regulation 200-2 went into effect.  It  mandated
that:

     "the percentage of unidentified (UFOs) must be reduced to  a
     minimum."

This meant that explanations had to be found one way or  another.
In other words the Air Force was forcing it's personnel to debunk
and  explain  away  UFOs. 200-2 was  complemented  by  Regulation
JANAP-146,  making  the  release of  information  about  UFOs  by
military personnel a crime punishable by a fine of $10,000 and 10
years  of imprisonment. Most citizens do not realize that  it  is
illegal for military personnel to discuss UFOs.


                        JANAP Directives

Concern over military personnel releasing details of UFOs came to
a   head  with  the  publication  of  a  report  by   the   Joint
Army/Navy/Air  Force  Publication (JANAP).  The  JANAP  Directive
states that anyone discussing UFO sightings with the media or the
public  was liable to 10 years imprisonment and/or $10,000  fine.
These directives came into force in February 1954.

One   Directive  JANAP-146  relates  to   CIRVIS   (Communication
Instructions  for  Reporting Vital  Intelligence  Sightings).  It
states:

     "All persons aware of the contents of the service report are
     governed  by the Communications Act of 1934  and  amendments
     thereto,   and  espionage  laws.  CIRVIS   reports   contain
     information  affecting  the national defense of  the  United
     States within the meanings of the espionage laws, 18 US Code
     793  and 794. The authorized transmission or  revelation  of
     the contents of CIRVIS reports in any manner is prohibited."

These  law clearly prevent most sightings from being reported  to
the  public.  Those  that do are  quickly  "debunked"  by  quasi-
scientific  explanations  that the general public are  more  than
willing to accept.

                                                 - Joseph Daniels

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . Can I put you on hold?...<click> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
                     
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood)
Subject: FAQ FOR THIS GROUP NEEDED!!
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:25:53 GMT


Hello. Is there a FAQ for this group?  Can someone tell me where
I can FTP it, or you can beam it to me.  Thanks.

 

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Jeffrey T. Hazelwood                    Universitt Heidelberg
EMAIL: y41@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de       Heidelberg, Germany 
          
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: A letter to Clinton/Gore
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:48:54 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)

From article <1992Nov18.074528.14279@netcom.com>,
jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) has written:
+--------------------
| Dear Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore,
| 
| This is not a letter of congratulations on your win of the
| presidency, but I do congratulate you, and  wish you great success
| in the years to come.
+--------------------

	Well, I would move to include a congratulations as a warm opening...
	even though they have received _many_ of these, it serves to
	'set the mood'.  Immediately, when I read that, I felt discouraged.

 [ ... some omittance, for brevity ... ]

+--------------------
| I was very glad to hear of your recent meetings with Mr. Bill
| Moyers, and I do believe this is a great statement on your part
| that you intend to help the american people and create and honest
| government. I call upon you to rid us of the Secret Government, to
| tear-down the wall of deciet that has separated the people from the
| truth for so many decades, and make the US a truly
| democratic society, and the world, a better place to live.
+--------------------
+--------------------
| We will be watching, waiting, and hoping, that you will live up to
| the greatness that is within you, and protect liberty and
| happiness for us all.
+--------------------

	Generally, a good letter ...

	The letter is good, but very poetic in some respects.  I would move
	to write in a more detached manner, and perhaps include some
	specifics with regard to incidents... for example, you might 
	include something specific to a dramatic abduction case; one that
	has been highly publicized...

	And I would probably steer away from being so accusational about
	the government, in a negative fashion.  Again, maybe some factual
	accounts to support these accusations would be more appropriate.

	In addition to those, I would also suggest that the letter (if you
	agree to work with a 'group effort') be accompanied by many
	signatures with verifiable addresses and phone numbers (?)...
	those types usually get quicker responses.  The trouble with that
	is how would you coordinate it? :)

	This is an excellent start, Jeff, indeed.  Thanks for posting it.
	If you're willing (and others are) to work as a group with editing
	and submitting suggested inclusions/omissions/editing, this will
	be an excellent effort... dunno if doing it via a.a.v would be
	appropriate, but perhaps through private emailing...

	I can't imagine such a letter to be less than 4 pages, typed... 
	particularly if we all work on it and so forth.

	Forrest
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From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.butt.harp,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Daft Stuff (was something about spacecraft in bed)
Keywords: duh
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:07:52 GMT

In <1e58smINNfvc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> rab@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Richard Alan Brown) writes:

>Whenever I feel a little jaded (like now, when I've spent the day marking
>first year exam papers.. <sob>) I wander over to sci.skeptic, and there he
>is, blathering about out of body experiences, and his world famous
>astral-train. That man was born with an intellectual kick-me sign tatooed
>to his forehead. He should post to alt.peeves, and see how long his new-age
>jabbering lasts. Those people in sci.skeptic are mighty polite to him (why
>*is* that), but there's one thing you can say for him, he's reliable.

Hmm, I know the sort of thing you mean.  Do you reckon he writes the
lyrics for the B52s?  As in ...

        "On a bus
        To another place,
        To the UFO and to outer space baby

        Is that you Bo Dean?
        It's me Bo Dean!
        The inter-dimensional
        Outer space
        Beam."

Sorry, it's Monday morning and the weather in Southampton is crap,
so you'll have to forgive me for this utter *@#$.
-- 
Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Wake up to reality
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.164138.23670@tamsun.tamu.edu> cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost) writes:
>In article <1553.479.uupcb@homebase.com> joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)  writes:
>>To: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
>>From: hombas!Joseph.daniels@uunet.ca
>>
>>ST|Wake up everybody! This is the real world...there are no UFOs...
>>  `----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Really?  Prove it.
>
>CJR
>
>

That is not the point. You do not prove something's existance
by not being able to disprove it's existance.

I cannot disprove that a purple red wood with candy canes for leaves
exists in Australia. However, that does not make it unreasonable
to say that it does not exist. Without any proof an alien is in
the same catagory as the purple redwood.

john
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John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __	
jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu         /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:57:55 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.181120.8910@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
> 
> Nope.  Can't see 'em.  Can't see ANYTHING man-made from Earth orbit
> and yes that includes the Great Wall of China.  (I'm speaking of
> course of naked-eye viewing.  I doubt that the US gov't would take
> kindly to us approaching them for .gifs of their spy satellite
> photos, even if they are only of the pyramids ;-)

I don't believe this. Leaving the great wall aside for a moment, what
about some of the larger man made lakes? And by 'earth orbit' just how
high? 
-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology,sci.skeptic,alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. in bed.
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:40:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BxsqJK.8Ay
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston

[alt.alien.visitors]
In article <92320.155010SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>From: Rob Farquhar, temp. using this account.
>    It's amazing how little you people really know about what you're talking ab
>out.  this is not arrogance, but experience talking.  I am a scientist/astronom
>er as well as a contactee. 
   ...and also a client!

>  The Darvosians, grey humanoids descended from (nobody knows)
>  The Kaheew, a catlike warrior race kind of like Niven's fictional KZIN
>  The N'gusat-ahh, bovine centaurlike creatures
>  The Farhipti, other grey beings descended from sharks
>  The Skark, bigfoot/wookie looking docile critters
>  The Cante'la, upright walking versions of trilobites
>  The Anarhooksat, telekinetic squidlike beasts that must carry water with them
>       in their ships
>  The Roorpa, pteranodon-like gliders
>  The Xrxquim, isolationist humanoids with greatly enlarged craniums
>  The Hurrparansilar, elaphantine creatures, and
>  The Banarflista, ten-legged mollusks with weapon legs, eating legs, and
>       walking legs
   The Pianoid Linguiniae, phallic-shaped aerosol beings that smell like rum
   The Floopies, the best creatiures in the Universe at their specialized
        task of shouting "Floop-floop-a-doop!"
   The Zzzzzz, the most boring creatures in our galaxy
   The Aaaaaaaa, who believe in being first in all things, and who often
        fool people into thinking someone's fallen out a window
   The Schwa, who shrug a lot
   The Fnord, which are completely generic, more so that humans


	Gee, I couldn't top the silly names.
							-- K.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monsters and Etc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:33:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <69443@cup.portal.com> <69514@cup.portal.com> <69560@cup.portal.com>

Dear Monster Watchers: I'll try to answer the questions later. I must 
go to work now. 
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: case@infonode.ingr.com (Bill Case)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:25:02 GMT

In article <1723.479.uupcb@homebase.com> joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)  writes:
>
>According  to Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on  the  Moon
>and  wanted us to get off and stay off the Moon!

That would explain,  "That's one giant creep for mankind"

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:40:49 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) :
>It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8
>command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody
>to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.'  Even
>though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a
>hidden meaning in those words."

Oh, that's just priceless.  Really!
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.magnus.and.ketil
From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: Monsters and Etc.
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
	<69514@cup.portal.com> <69560@cup.portal.com> <69683@cup.portal.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:58:51 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:33:53 PST, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
>>>>> said:

	John> Dear Monster Watchers: I'll try to answer the questions
	John> later. I must go to work now.  John Winston.

Dear John_-_, I'll try to flame you for this later, but I've got some
work to do now.

-Magnus
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: The Phobos II Incident
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:43:53 GMT

has richard hoagland actually been making these more-than-usually
bizarre claims? the only thing of his that I have read is 'monuments
of mars' which is (taken all in all) fairly restrained. 

does anyone know his compu$erve address? I have heard rumors and second
hand reports attributing all sorts of wierdness and conspiracy theories
to him. it might be worth while to ask him about all of this stuff.

josh
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: I know why thier here!
Keywords: The Sky is Falling
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:30:40 GMT

Obfuscated fertilizer deleted...

>                                 Thank you,
>                                  Hitman
>
>
>P.S. All writing above this line utter bullshit. Get a life. Aliens are not
>comming to get us. You idiots are starting to sound crazy. None of you have
>ever met an alien and never will. Go out, see  movie, have some sex geeks.

hmmmmmm....sounds like ve have a classic case of paranoid
denial complicated mit de schitzophrenic transferrance of
obsessive-compulsive anal-retentive behavior.

hmmmm...I suggest zat you sign ze papers undt go for ze ride in
ze ufo.

Zick-Mund            ;^)


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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: stefanis@ecst.csuchico.edu (Lab Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Out Planet
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:42:10 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: guzzler.ecst.csuchico.edu

>To: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
>
>JO|Dear Space People Watchers:  The people from other planets as far as
>  |I have been told will give a sun a name (some of them call our
>  |sun Shan) and we are considered to be the third orbit from our sun
>  |unless you count Vulcan so we are the number three orbit planet of
>  `-------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually there is no, and never was any, planet Vulcan. The space around
the Sun is warped way out of shape by gravity. The strange motion of 
Murcery that caused people the think that there was a planet there was
dispelled by Einstein 30+ years ago with the release of General Reletivity.
For more information on gravatic phenominon see Einstein's Circle or Einstein's
Cross in any good Scientific encyclopedia. There are lots of strange things
that can happen when you travel at even .5c in normal space. Time moves a bit
faster on Mars than it does here on Earth.
______   
|\   |\      Nick Stefanisko (stefanis@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu) 
| |--+-| 
|-+---\|     "Oodal-lada oodal-lada" 
 \|____|                            --Thomas Dolby
From: serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk (O Velejador)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Astral 1
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:59:13 GMT
Organization: My Castle in the Air
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

: Some people are born with these abilities and can do them without being 
: taught, other people can do them with  a little bit of instruction, others 
: take quite a while to learn and the last type of people are for sure 
: they'll never learn and they usually are right.

That's better. 

: Here it is Monday morning and it appears that I have a new set of flamers. 
: Thank you for your support. It's very heart warming.

Cheerio.

--
Si l'ame est assez forte pour edifier, au coeur du bagne, une morale qui 
ne soit pas celle de la soumission, il s'agira, la plupart du temps, d'une
morale de domination.
        
                                                   AC