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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: LSH Massacre
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:44:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I don't have any details on this (actually, some details were given,
and I promptly forgot them), but it appears that the entire LSH team
is gone except for Tom and Mary Bierbaum.  (I don't know as of which
issue this will take effect.)  New artists and a new editor are being
brought in.  Sprouse is still doing Legionnaires.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: CEREBUS: Chess subtleties
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:15:26 GMT

Someone posted recently that at the end of 160, it looked like Cerebus was
looking at the threatened pawn.  I just reexamined the sequence, and this
is not so.  In that panel, Cerebus is walking back towards his edge of the
board (to get behind his bishop) and looking back over his shoulder.  He is
looking at either (or both) the newly-threatening white bishop or at Seunteus
Po (who is a threat in a much more direct sense).

Also has anyone noticed that (barring the cover to 158) we never see Po
actually move a piece?  At the ends of his long speeches, his moves are
"discovered", but he doesn't seem to actually touch the pieces.  And the
one exception, 158, is also the only place (recently) where we've seen him
(or part of him anyways) not translucent.  Comments?

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"You can also judge some people by their skin color.
 If the person is an extremely pale color, the person is dead."
		-- Carasso
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: You Call That Trivia?
Date: 23 Aug 1992 09:54:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

In article <q#-nm7+.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) sez:
>1. What super power did Supergirl possess that Superboy did not?
Er, didn't her sword change into different stuff like ropes and
things, while his just sat on his back?

-Jon Kung, not really sure anymore

>And please don't post answers, at least till I do at the end of the week.
Oh sh!t, does this mean I'm gonna be lynched?
From: wwolf@zooid.guild.org (White Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bone!
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: zooid.714204476.2630

From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
>
>The single best thing I picked up at the convention (and I picked up a
>LOT) was the first five issues of "Bone" by Jeff Smith.  This stuff is
>just too good to believe.  It's not Sandman, and it's not all
>angst-ridden, but it's a damned good story with some damned good
>characters, and some very good unembellished art (he has one hell of a
>clean line).   If your comic book store stocks it, take a look at it.
>The first issue was a little weak compared to other issues, but way
>above most other stuff.
 
     I too just recently picked up those same five issues. Best darn new thing
I've read in years. It was great being able to read all five issues, one after
another. Now I gotta wait for bi-monthly installments. Darn.
 
     For those who haven't read them, put down that extra copy of
fill-in-the-blank from Image Comics and invest in at least the first issue of
this series. After getting the first issue home, I drove back to the store to
get the other four...
 
                     White Wolf
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Subject: Rumor:  Alan Moore at Image?
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:40:30 GMT


Over on Comics-L, writer James Hudnall said that DC's Michael Eury 
 may be moving to Dark Horse and Jonathan Petersen is going to Image.  
 But the big bomb was that "Alan Moore will be doing a superhero book
 for Image (yet to be signed)."

Can anyone give us confirm or deny on any of this?  Or was there a
 smiley that I missed?
-- 
Francis A. Uy			moving to Baltimore as of 8/24
Program Director, WUMD		approaching reality from UMBC
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Strange Sports( Was Re:JLA/JSA team-up history)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:56:55 GMT

In article <77533@ut-emx.uucp> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>Speaking of which, what comic magazine had a story with a baseball
>game between DC heros and villains? I recall it was set-up by some
>villain to prove to his female sidekick that the good-guys don't
>always beat the bad-guys. Uncle Sam was the ump.

This was an issue of DC Special or somesuch under the Strange Sports
Stories label; essentially a vehicle for one-shots like this. A rather
strange pre-Crisis story, it involved the Sportsmaster and Huntress
from Earth-2, who'd been established as married, putting together a team 
of Earth-1 villains vs. Earth-1 heroes, with the wager being that if the
heroes won Huntress would turn to good as the bad guys just couldn't win.

Now, aside from the weirdness of people like the Joker and Luthor not trying
to kill Batman and Superman for an afternoon (the heroes were constrained
by a mesmerized stadium audience) no powers were used until the last inning
when the villains started to cheat. The end result had Plastic Man causing
an out by shaping his foot into a base which Sportsmaster stepped on
instead of the real base, reulting in a later tagout.

Personally, I have liked to have seen a real powered softball/baseball
game between heroes where the use of powers was allowed and thought out
in terms of strategy and positions. For example, you want to walk the
person ahead of, and any teleporter and speedster, as otherwise the
'porter or speedster taps the ball to the ground and zips around the bases
for a home run.

"Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every
 day, like those of a baseball player."         --Anonymous
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: News from San Diego
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:24:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.174423.11145@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.091815.6864@teetot.acusd.edu>, jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
>> 
>> Hellblazer: Garth says that Steve Dilolin (huh? That's got to be wrong. 
>> I was typing in the dark) will be taking over as artist in 5 issues. 
>
>Steve Dillon?  Naah.

Who? [sarcasm alert]

>> Q: Question about creator ownership.
>> A: Vertigo is not a universe. Some stories will be in the DC Universe 
>> (such as Animal Man and Sandman), and some (giving the example of 
>> Watchmen) will be self-contained. [...]
>
>Holy question-sidestepping, Batman!  B-)
Sure, the characters in their universe (the uncontained one) they own, and the
ones in your universe they license to you and the ones in Universe don't exit.
wait a minute...

>> Q: Team Ups among the Vertigo comics?
>> A: At the end of 1993, an annual crossover might happen, but plans are 
>> nebulous.
>
>AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
 AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> This will cover Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, the Tim Hunter
>> series, and something with the initials B.O. (I don't remember what
>> that was. Silly me for abbreviating the book names.)
>
> BLACK ORCHID?  At least they're limiting it to the superhero books.

Nah, B.O. Plenty.

Pax,
Glenn
Had a life, didn't like it.

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:26:38 GMT

jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>> My interpretation is that DC is hoping to avoid the otherwise inevitable
>> implosion by pumping a large number of titles out, but only keeping those
>> that show early promise.  After all, a steady stream of new titles and
>> mini-series is at least as effective as a smaller stable of old faithfuls
>> in taking up shelf space.  It also offers more scope for trying new ideas
>> and new people -- with the catch that a title has to take off or sink
>> almost immediately.

>	Someone should point out to these people that if they had been
>following this policy 3+ years ago Sandman would have been canceled around
>issue 8. Sure it had a small devoted following at the beginning, but for the
>most part it was doing fairly poorly in terms of sales. Then slowly it
>started to catch on as more people started trying it (it really took off
>towards the end of Doll's House I think) and now it's the highest selling of
>DC's non super-hero comics. (Heck it may be the the highest selling non
>super-hero comic period.) 

Funny you should pick issue 8 :-)  Issue 6 might have been more appropriate
to your argument.  issue 8 was the one with the several pages of rave reviews
from various notables, and the first one (since the series premiere) that DC
reallly cranked up the publicity machine on.  It's been gaining ground steadily
ever since, but I think that the publicity boost that DC gave (and continues
to give) it really helped a lot.

Not that I necessarily disagree with your argument, I just thought your example
tended to prove the opposite of what you thought.  As to whether this (alleged)
strategy is a good idea or not, I am unsure.

>-Jeff
>-- 
>Jeff Hildebrand                                  jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu
>"Fly Heisenberg Airlines! We may not know where we are, but we're making
>real good time." - _Synners_ by Pat Cadigan

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"The Mac operating system is like the monorail at Disney World.  It's kind of
 spectacular and fun, but it doesn't go much of anywhere. Still, the kids like
 it."		-- John Hall
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From: derf@ravel.udel.edu (the Greatful Fred)
Subject: baseball
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:13:56 GMT

	Along the lines of sports in comics, I remember one of the 
	Annuals for the Avengers had a softball game between
	the East and West coast branches.  Also, one of the Spider-Man
	titles several years ago had The fate of the universe hinged
	on a game of street football.  This might have been a secret wars
	cross-over, or a drug-induced fantasy.  But I'm feeling Much Better
	Now (TM).


\---/ \---/
 | ||--| |-\  _______  ______    ________
 | || -| |- | || |  |  ||  _ \   || |   |     Frederick B. J. Slota
 | || || || |  | |__    | |_| |   | |__                         
  \_| |_/ | |  | |__|   |    /    | |__|   Technology House Secretary 
    | |___| |  | |      | |\ \    | |      322 Ray Street B, Newark DE 19717 
    |______/  ||_|__|  ||_| |_|  ||_|      DERF@brahms.udel.edu
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Portacio
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:11:19 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

What is your opinion of Whilce Portacio as a penciler? I 
think he is probably the best and most underrated of the
IMAGE crew. What do the fanboys think of him? Do they
worship him like they do Liefeld?

His run on X-Factor produced the best storyline on that
book (Yakuza cybernetic thingo) and I'm wondering what
other stuff he has pencilled. I got Legion of the Night
#1 and #2 but nothing else came out. Does anybody know
what happened with it? It's very hard to find out this
sort of stuff in Australia and we have less fanboys.

Jed

Comic store horror story: Whilst in my local comic store
I saw a kid (about 13 or 14) pick up a back issues of
Ghost Rider and he was salivating.

Comic store horror story #2: Below is dialogue from two
guys at a comic store recently.

a) Oh coooooool, WILDCATS. The art is sooooo awesome.
   Jim Lee is the biggest legend. He's sooooo coool.

b) Hmmmmm.....

a) Oh maaaaaaaan, it's Spawn by Todd McFarlane. He is
just the best; MAN!!!. Check out the art. It's unreal.

b) Yeah it looks okay.

a) Oh no!!!! They've got no issues of Shadowhawk left.
I'm gonna see if the guy has any behind the counter.

b) What's Shadowhawk?

a) Oh its this cool title by Image. Its soooo cooool.

b) Oh.....

a) Oh my god. THEY'VE GOT BRIGADE! Rob Liefeld draws
it. He's such an ace artist. I wish I could draw 
like him. Check it out man. <shows friend the art in
Brigade which incidentally was not done by Liefeld>

b) Cooolo

<end dialogue>

Maybe this is normal for America but it is kind of
extreme for Australia.
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Joe Shuster
Keywords: A Legend Maker is Gone
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:50:52 GMT

Well, I'm going to skip the diatribes (much of them deserved) about DC's
treatment of Joe Shuster, and just say this:

I think Siegel and Shuster's original Superman is probably the best
rendition of the character ever done.  Yes, Moore's writing was certainly
better, and I have a real soft spot for Curt Swan's artwork.  

Nevertheless, the S&S (particularly the war years) SUPERMAN was absolutely
primal stuff.  I look at a Shuster's depiction of the Big Blue Cheese, and I
think, "Now *there's* a guy who really *is* more powerful than a
locomotive!"  Not an atom bomb, not a planetary force -- just a dynamo of a
guy, a Hercules.  Plots were primitive, characterizations are wooden, but
hey: Superman, under its two originators, had a power that didn't last past
their run on the book.  Maybe its derived partially from nostalgia, maybe
some from Freudian influences, but when you look at a Joe Shuster issue,
you're looking at a *Super*man, man.

I give credit to Jerry Ordway and Marv Wolfman for coming closest to
bringing the book back to its roots.  Not enough to get me to buy the thing,
but good work nonetheless.

                           "Mighty Mouse versus Superman?  That's a tough
                            one."
                                           -- STAND BY ME

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hector Hall and the DC universe (was: Re: Sandam
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.230619.25142@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>It doesn't matter.  Lyta logically _should_ tell the JSA about it, and the JSA
>logically _should_ consider Morpheus a super-villain, do some research, and
>imprison him again.  For Lyta to not bother telling anyone is just as much a
>dodge as it is for her to tell but nobody to listen.

Logic?  You speak of logic?

The JSA has dealt with Dream/Morpheus once before though, did they not?  I
would think the Martian Manhunter would have a thing or two to say about the
nature of the Master of Dreams.

She may have told.  But she had been living in a dream for a long time, out of
touch with reality.  Would they believe her?
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Windows Comic Collecting Program
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:12:47 GMT

jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>I am going to be writing a program for Windows which will allow collector's 
>to keep track of thier comic collections.  I am looking for additional information and ideas from other collectors about my rambling thoughts
>listed below, and hopefully some new ideas as well.

You might want a field for Story Arc.  Very useful in some comics, and
very useful in the case of multiple-title crossovers (Infinity War
being a good example).  Also, for some, actually allowing
writer/penciler/inker fields might be useful, in case I want to tag
all Moench stories, for instance.

-- 
You will lose your "Drug Free And Proud" ribbon.  Two days later, you will
catch a neighborhood kid smoking it.
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From: kalel@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (peter.t.mcdermott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Joe Shuster
Keywords: A Legend Maker is Gone
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:16:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: AT&T
Status: OR
Apparently-To: att-mt!rec-arts-comics-info

I originally posted an article a couple of weeks ago. It seems to have 
never made it. In any event, I'm trying again.
I just wanted to say that I was very sorry to hear of Joe Shuster dying.
I am a longtime comics fan. I first picked up a Wonder Woman comic back
in 1957, and was immediately hooked on comics. I still have very fond
memories of cutting lawns, etc., as a child to get money to run downtown
to the newsstand for a handful of comics. I'd pedal my bike home as fast
as I could and sit under a tree in the backyard and travel all over this
world and other worlds through the comics. I also was an avid fan of the 
George Reeve's Superman, and spent many a day jumping out of trees with
a towel around my neck, lucky to be alive in retrospect, flying like my
idol Superman. To this day I collect Superman comics, and when I heard
of Mr. Shuster's death, I felt the world get a little colder and a little
less bright. When Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created Superman, they 
opened a door to a world that to this day is expanding in size. Many 
people are tired of superheroes and have moved on to other types of
comics. That's fine because this field needs all the variety it can muster
if it's ever going to have widespread mainstream acceptance. But these
gentlemen ushered in the superhero and opened the door that Cerebus,
Sandman, Harvey Pekar, and many more have stepped through. We must of course
ackowledge the inspiration that Doc Savage and Gladiator provided. But Joe
and Jerry, forgive the familiarity, started something that has brought us
to places like this net where we interact for the love of the genre.
They gave birth to a baby that hasn't stopped growing and maturing to this
day. I, and all of us I feel, owe them a debt that can never sufficiently
be paid. That DC had to be shamed into paying them a mere $20,000 per annum
in the last few years is not their lone shame. We _ALL_ should be sending
them some small recompense for the countless hours of pleasure their efforts
have given us. Well, I'll get down off the soapbox now. I just felt that to
ignore this man's contribution to the world of comics would be a great
injustice. I hope that his death will remind us all of the wonderful times
that comics have given us. And the next time you bow your head in a prayer
to your personal version of God, if you're thusly inclined, ask Him to
set up a nice little spot in the corner of a celestial library for one
Joseph Shuster. May he rest in peace.

                                                       Yours Truly,
                                                       Peter T. McDermott

Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
It _STILL_ has a hell of a ring to it!
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Melmoth (was re: M&D 10)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:09:54 GMT

sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.224214.24610@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
[...]
>>It does.  But it also begs the question that maade me think the two Oscars
>>had to be the same person:
>>- What's the point of MELMOTH?

>>We're shown the death of a man, which is tragic in and of itself.  But what's
>>the thematic significance in the larger context of the Cerebus storyline?
>>This "Sebastian Melmoth" is not Oscar, he's just a character that was
>>introduced with no explanation, for the express purpose of getting him
>>killed!

>[Excellent stuff by Bill Sherman deleted for space]

From a strictly plot-oriented point of view, the two Oscars are different
people and Melmoth serves essentially no purpose to the storyline.  However,
on a thematic level, the two Oscars *are* the same person.  Trust me to be
controversial; now that everyone else agrees that there are two Oscars, here
I am asserting their unity :-)

>--
>   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
>      "I couldn't handle childhood."  "You may have been too young."
>                          Sam Hurt, _Eyebeam: Teetering on the Blink_

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"As you can see, Transcarpatho-serbo-slavo-dravidic isn't so much a language
 as a chronic throat disease with grammar."		-- The Oracle
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug/TICK/Etc.
Keywords: Interesting, more info
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:54:56 GMT

For the rabid completist, there was a DC Heroes role-playin game module
starring Ambush Bug, entitled "Don't Ask!!!".  I don't recall if any of the
original creators were involved, but I thought it did a good job of capturing
the inherent absurdity of the character in a role-playing context :-)

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Forget computers; it's hard enough getting humans to pass the Turing test."
		-- David Bedno
From: jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: CEREBUS: M&D 10
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:58:04 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


My first thought when I saw this on the shelf yesterday was "snag!", which
I promptly did...and didn't get around to reading it for six hours.

But when I finally did...

Dave Sim's writing has managed to move me, on numerous occasions, to
provoke me into emotional response. But never, never before has it
*shaken* me.



*** Spoiler warning ***





















I mean, I hardly expected to ever see Posey again, much *less* Oscar the
poet. That was intriguing enough. But Posey's death, and Suenteus Po's
commentary...and Lord Julius' apparent death...and Cirin's dream....

Too many of these shocks in too short a time; I'm glad I read the other
comics I got first so I had time to digest this story.

And, of course, more rampant symbolism... catch the solar system reference,
anyone? And the Christ parallels.

My only regret is that I have to wait 30 days for the next installment.

--
Jeff Williamson               ** E-mail: magik@nwu.edu 
ACNS/Northwestern University  ** "You may be a superhero to *somebody*. 
(seeking a permanent home)    **  To me, you're just a two-bit cannibal
Evanston, Illinois            **  with a cape."
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Giffen : Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 02:21:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla

In article <Bt730v.JxJ@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis) writes:
>I disagree. I think Keith Giffen will do a great job on the art.
...
>Check out Lobo's first solo in Omega men #36 or 37 by Giffen.

Yes, but that was back when Giffen could actually draw in a 
non-abstract fashion. That was round about the time he was
drawing Legion of Super Heroes, and was (IMHO) at the peak
of his artistic form. The Omega men art was similar to the LSH
style, although Giffen did use the 9-panel layout at times. 

Sometime after that, he tried a number of different styles and
his art has never been as good since. I really hate his current style.
It only works for me for hallucinatory sequences such as his work
in LODK annual last year or in a Superman issue recently. 

Abhijit

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