From: brandon@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: DD's need improvement!, No, Everything needs improvement!
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:21:32 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <4fNTuIG00VpHF8J0oN@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sean Christopher Simmons <ss72+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Is this true?  If it is this is bogus.  No wonder battleships are worthless
> 	The numbers listed are correct.  Also of interest. . .
> 
> Cruiser;    Phaser Damage: 100  Phaser Cost: 700
> Battleship: Phaser Damage: 105  Phaser Cost: 1050
> 
> ZZnew guy

	When I first saw this, I thought it was "bogus"  That is why I made the
changes in the first place (to paradise).
	Here are some more stats (weapons etc)  You will see how they are not
very staggered (which I think they should be...)

                   ** Ship Stat Table 1 **

          SC       AS       DD       CA       BB       SB

Damage
 Phaser   75       80       85       100      105      120
 Torp     25       30       30       40       40       30
 Plasma   0        0        75       100      130      150
Speed
 Torp     16       16       14       12       12       14
Fuel
Consumption  
 Phaser   525      560      595      700      1050     960
 Torp     175      270      210      280      360      300
 Plasma   0        0        2250     3000     3900     3750

         Anyhow, you get the point, I don't believe that anything should be
with the same stats, that is why it is a different ship...  I think that
whoever made the ship stats initially (don't know if they used xtrek's, or made
their own...) just put in what looked good, and didn't do an overall comparison
between them all.  This is glaringly obvious.  I will point out a few things
	#1, why, when a SB's plasma does more damage, does it cost less?
	#2, why does a BB's torps do the same amout of damage, yet cost 80 more
		points?
	#3, do you really think it costs another 350 fuel to create 5 more
		points of phaser damage (BB vs CA)

        I do have many other problems with this, but rather than bitch and
moan, I will show a way, that would make more difference between ships (but
will most likely never be picked up from any other servers...I kind of like it
perhaps I will implement it at paradise for a while...)

		     ** Ship Stat Table 2 **

          SC       AS       DD       CA       BB       SB

Damage
 Phaser   75       80       85       100      110*     120
 Torp     25       30       35*      40       45*      35*
 Plasma   0        0        75       100      130      150
Speed
 Torp     16       16       14       12       12       14
Fuel
Consumption
 Phaser   525      560      595      700      990 @    960
 Torp     200*@    270      245*     280      315 @    300
 Plasma   0        0        2250     3000     3900     3750


* these are stats I have changed
@ the fuel consumption is actually a number times the damage.  The BB's phaser
  was at 10, now is at 9.  BB's torp was at 9, now is at 7.  The scouts torp 
  was at 7, now is at 8.

	Ok, this was done on a spur of the moment, so I hope i didn't screw any
calculations up.  I will hack this into the paradise getship file, and try it 
out.

	If anything is changed, I think it should be a BB, by raising its stats.
Nobody plays a BB right now, because it sucks, now you know why.

	
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