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Subject: Re: Yellow pages on the net ????
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Organization: Private Internet/Usenet node.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:12:51 +0000

In article <1992Dec11.165246.8076@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed) writes:
> Keith Mitchell (keith@unipalm.co.uk) wrote:
> : gtoal@cursci.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> : 
> : >What about us poor deprived commercial Internet users? - is there an
> : >Internet to PSS gateway we can legally use?  (RL is out because we'd
> : >have to get to it via Janet)
> : 
> You could always telnet to sun.nsf.ac.uk and login as janet.  Then you can 
> give a janet x29 address to pad to.
> 

And whats the Janet X29 address to get to Phonebase?

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From: dww@bnr.co.uk (David Wright)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Phonebase
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:42:30 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.129.39

In article <724113836snz@dims.demon.co.uk> dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram") writes:
#
#In article <1g8qmfINNrg8@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk> dww@bnr.co.uk writes:
#>Baseline is free on request from BT, but you have to ask.  It's mentioned
#>in the documentation they send, but only in the small print.  If you want a
#
#Does it support Mercury LD calling?

Baseline comes with the standard BT number for accessing Phonebase loaded,
but you can change it (and most other comms defaults) in the config screen.
The maximum size number you can store in the program is 20 digits.

[Baseline is an MS-DOS program to access Phonebase]

And benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge) writes:
>Hope this isn't a FAQ, but it Phonebase accessible from JANET / PAD / telnet?

No, neither over Internet nor via X.25 (PSS etc).   The main reason is that
BT don't charge via the Phonebase system itself, but indirectly by the cost
of your 'phone call (b1 rate).   If enough people asked them for X.25
access maybe they'd work out a reasonable way to charge for that.  As to
the others, charging the actual user would be more difficult, so I doubt BT
would provide such access.   Remember that this is a commercial service,
albeit one that doesn't have any registration or minimum use charge.

The question you didn't ask is, is it cheaper than Directory Enquiries' 40p
charge?   The answer is "usually".   I can look up a number and log off
again in well under a minute (a minute at b1 costs 10p at cheap or standard
rate, 15p peak rate).   But I find it horribly tempting to look up a few
other people while I'm logged on!  Still, you'd need to connect for several
minutes to exceed 40p at cheap rate times.

For more details call BT on 0800 919199 !

Regards,        "None shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity"
       David Wright  BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA, UK
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From: graham@wilde.ucs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Rule)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Chargecard - why a CARD ??
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:54:04 GMT
Distribution: uk

rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
>In article <graham.724681287@wilde>, graham@wilde.ucs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Rule) writes:
>|> [...]
>|> Clearly this would only be sensible with "quick dial" only enabled so that
>|> they would automatically "phone home".
> [...]
>And, somewhat later...

>|> My pet hate about Chargecards is that if you have operator access enabled
>|> then both the "private" and "public" numbers are embossed on the cards.
> [...]

>Unless one could restrict the "junior" card to something dead cheap, I
>would be _extremely_ unsure about issuing it.  For precisely the
>reasons that Graham has (obviously) identified wrt the operator-
>accessible card.

I was thinking of such a "junior card" only able to call home.  That is,
when the card was swiped or all the digits on it typed in, a call to the
one "quick dial" number would be made.  No chance for the kid to call
anywhere else (and no chance for anyone else finding the card to call anyone
other than that number). If the card was lost then it would be virtually
useless to anyone else (and any attempted misuse would soon become noticable
and the card could be stopped).

Graham
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From: sjl@uknet.ac.uk (Sean.Leviseur)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Fax machines in France
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:39:22 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: UKnet

I am after a couple of cheap fax machines to use in France. Will any
UK models work over there, and what needs changing?

	sean

Newsgroups: uk.telecom,soc.culture.europe
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Internet BBS's in UK
Followup-To: uk.telecom,soc.culture.europe
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:25:43 GMT

Craig Cockburn (cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: 
: > Mrs. D.E.P.Jones (bsp114@clss1.bangor.ac.uk) wrote:
: >: Hi,
: >: 
: >: I am looking for access to an Internet site within the UK that
: >: I can get telnet access to. I have tried looking through
: >: news.answers but found nothing for the UK. If there is info or
: >: a FAQ on the subject I would appreciate it if someone could mail
: >: it to me or post it here.
: >: 
: >: Thanks.
: > 
: This should be of interest.
: 
: The UK Internet list.	This version 15-Dec-1992
: Compiled by Craig Cockburn
: 
: This is a summary of information gathered from the Internet on how private
: individuals in the UK can connect up to the Internet for International email 
: and/or Usenet access from a PC in their house. It also gives information on
: how people without usenet access can post to usenet newsgroups via a UK mail
: address.

I wonder if the point has been missed, and the original poster was looking
for sites they could connect to (via telnet). Rather than services allowing
them to telnet.

Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: BT Phonebase 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:43:56 +0000


In article <1g8qmfINNrg8@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk> dww@bnr.co.uk writes:

>Baseline is free on request from BT, but you have to ask.  It's mentioned
>in the documentation they send, but only in the small print.  If you want a

Does it support Mercury LD calling?

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From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: BTI Phone BOX Wanted
Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:05:20 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

I was in the UK last April. After many calls to BTI they put me on
to the Central Stores people. I was trying to buy a call box. I was
told that my name would be put on a list and that I would hear from them.
I have called and written but, never heard anything again. I am looking
for a old style BT phone box. I know in some areas the people objected to 
the box being removed and heard that they were trying to get them declared
historical "things". Ok, UK people. I really want to own 2,000 lbs of iron
and not pay a fortune for it , BT did quote me a cheap price. If anyone
has a call box/phone box with phone inside please e-mail me.
Thanks,
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From: pgoujard@infocom.UUCP (Philippe Goujard)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: French -> UK phone adaptor
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:07:01 GMT
Followup-To: uk.telecom
Organization: INFOCOM Public Unix Server, +44 [0] 734 340055
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


jb-b@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
: French -> UK phone adaptor
: 
: My dad is going to be working in France for some time,
: and he wants to take a UK modem with him. I remember 
: there being an adaptor of some sort that will let him
: connect his UK modem the the French system. Does anyone 
: know where I can get hold of such a device?
: 
: Many thanks in advance
: 
: Joe Boon

Do-it-yourself french<->uk  converter :

Uk plug : 4 wires White, Red, Green, Blue

French : T connector, 3 plates on each side.

Here you see the plug from the front (i.e the part that enters the wall)
   --------------------                          
   |                  |
   --------.   .-------
          |     |             
          |.   .|
          |     |
   White->|.   .|
          |     |
   Red -> |.   .|
          -------
   
   Of course you know that doing this or even buying an adaptator is illegal,
   according to french law you are not allowed to plug a device that is not 
   approved by France Telecom.... But it works very well.
   
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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Yellow pages on the net ????
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:06:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.165246.8076@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed) writes:
>You could always telnet to sun.nsf.ac.uk and login as janet.  Then you can 
>give a janet x29 address to pad to.

No I can't.  It's illegal as far as I know to use Janet to bridge from
one commercial system (Internet) to another (PSS) without having any
valid reason for using Janet.

Since sun.nsf log interactive sessions anyone doing this would soon be
caught and prosecuted I've no doubt.

G
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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Yellow pages on the net ????
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:59:08 GMT

Graham Toal (gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec11.165246.8076@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed) writes:
: >You could always telnet to sun.nsf.ac.uk and login as janet.  Then you can 
: >give a janet x29 address to pad to.
: 
: No I can't.  It's illegal as far as I know to use Janet to bridge from
: one commercial system (Internet) to another (PSS) without having any
: valid reason for using Janet.
: 
: Since sun.nsf log interactive sessions anyone doing this would soon be
: caught and prosecuted I've no doubt.

Also nsf.sun is quite loaded and the telnet relay is a limited 
secondary service running on the machine

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From: zlsiimw@info.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Yellow pages on the net ????
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <Bz5uFG.2y0@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.165246.8076@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk
|> (Ed) writes:
|> >You could always telnet to sun.nsf.ac.uk and login as janet.  Then you can 
|> >give a janet x29 address to pad to.
|> 
|> No I can't.  It's illegal as far as I know to use Janet to bridge from
|> one commercial system (Internet) to another (PSS) without having any
|> valid reason for using Janet.
|> 
|> Since sun.nsf log interactive sessions anyone doing this would soon be
|> caught and prosecuted I've no doubt.

I tried this on Friday but it doesn't let you do it anyway.
The error message was a bit crpytic (can't remember what it was
though, something about being unable to resolve address and profile
error).

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Cox)
Subject: Re: plus four four                      
Cc: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:28:00 +0000

evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:

>  This assumes that your local exchange is actually looking at the rest of
>  the number.  It may be the case that the number is only actually analysed
>  by the international exchange.

The local exchange looks at the country code - not least because it needs to
know how much to charge.  I believe calls to Eire may route differently from
other calls - possibly not going through any of the International Exchanges.

Richard D G Cox

Mandarin Technology, Cardiff Business Park, Llanishen, CARDIFF, Wales CF4 5WF
Voice: +44 222 747111      Fax: +44 222 711111      VoiceMail: +44 399 870101
E-mail: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk     Not diallable on 511 in mainland USA
From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Chargecard - why a CARD ??
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:29:38 GMT
Distribution: uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Graham Rule (graham@wilde.ucs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: Another pet idea I have about cards is that an even lower class of card than
: they have at the moment would be useful.  One that has the PIN printed on
: the card and encoded on the magnetic strip.  That way relatively small children
: could be given them and told that if they are ever stuck all they need to
: do is dial 144 and the numbers on the card, or to just swipe the card.
: Clearly this would only be sensible with "quick dial" only enabled so that
: they would automatically "phone home".

sounds like a phone card to me !

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From: martin.briscoe@almac.co.uk (Martin Briscoe)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Phonebase
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: martin.briscoe@almac.co.uk (Martin Briscoe)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. Scotland. +44 (0)324-665371


DW.Baseline - a software package you run on your (MS-DOS) PC.   This is the
  .best, in my opinion.  Easy to use, and remembers your modem set up and
  .(optionally) login and password for you.   It automates login, and anything
  .else it can.  Extensive on-line help.   It should run on any MS DOS
  .machine, with most modems.

Unless you run a 16550 chip on your PC serial board - to use High 
Speed modem - BASELINE will not work with it.

               Martin

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From: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: French -> UK phone adaptor
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
Organization: Network Analysis Ltd
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <724354060.11145@minster.york.ac.uk> (uk.telecom,comp.sys.mac.comm), jb-b@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

> My dad is going to be working in France for some time,
> and he wants to take a UK modem with him. I remember 
> there being an adaptor of some sort that will let him
> connect his UK modem the the French system. Does anyone 
> know where I can get hold of such a device?

You can get an adaptor from anything to anything from either

	DMW Marketing in Northwich 0606 852036.

or

	TELEADAPT P.O. Box 169 Pinner Middlesex HA5 5QW
 	Tel/Fax 081 429 0479

Usual disclaimers apply.


Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK

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Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: Advice anyone ? New phone lines....
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.123045.15832@spuddy.uucp> jamie@spuddy.uucp (Jamie Allen) writes:
>BT were unable to install the new lines, as there were no spare lines in the
>area and the nearest exchange is three miles away - and since I requested the
>installation the interior wiring and linebox have been fitted, but the problem
>of the line connection has been in the local planning department.
>
>I now have a bit of a problem ! Is it going to be possible to cancel the
>installation in any way without having the pay the astronomical installation
>charges for lines that I haven't ever been able to use (totalling 326 pounds).
>
If BT have been unable to supply what you asked for, then there is no way they
can charge you as they have not fulfilled their contract with you.
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All opinions expressed are mine, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Re: BT Chargecard - why a CARD ??
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:53:16 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Janusz Lukasiak (zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
>Why is the chargecard a plastic card at all ??
>The key  to using  it are two numbers, one 'public' (embossed on the
>card), another 'private' (PIN, to be kept secret). The card itself is never
>used, except as a clumsy and expensive number holder. 

Well, the new payphones with a card-swipe attachment can read the
magnetic stripe on the card, so all you need to do is lift the handset,
swipe the card & dial your PIN & number. Saves a bit of dialling.

>Janusz Lukasiak

Paul
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From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: CellNet/Vodaphone Channel Info
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:42:24 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

Hi Folks,

How would one go about finding information as to which channels
are allocated to a given CellNet or Vodaphone base station ?

Does a base station carry a block of channels or do they have a
random selection to choose from ?

Presumably the channel info must be published somewhere ?

Thanks, Mike
From: jamie@spuddy.uucp (Jamie Allen)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: Advice anyone ? New phone lines....
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:30:45 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Greetings....

About a month ago I arranged to have two extra phone lines installed in the
house I am living in and was about to buy. Since then I have decided to buy
a different house.

BT were unable to install the new lines, as there were no spare lines in the
area and the nearest exchange is three miles away - and since I requested the
installation the interior wiring and linebox have been fitted, but the problem
of the line connection has been in the local planning department.

I now have a bit of a problem ! Is it going to be possible to cancel the
installation in any way without having the pay the astronomical installation
charges for lines that I haven't ever been able to use (totalling 326 pounds).

Help !

Thanks in advance

Jamie.
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From: dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
Subject: Re: Engineers etc.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:00:04 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
Distribution: uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.41

In article <BzCoyL.Apw@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:
>
>>Several people recently have brought up the subject of the notion of
>>"Engineer". Whilst I am a member of the BCS and have CEng status, I
>>object VERY strongly indeed to being described as an Information
>>Engineer. This is a stupid meaningless title and is offensive to other
>>"proper" engineers - I am married to one and she thinks the whole
>>thingt is a farce. I am Computer Scientist.
>...
>
>But the BCS _doesn't_ value scientists as much as *.Engineers. I've recently
>discovered that when evaluating computing experience, research only counts
>for half as much as routine software development. So, after 3 years doing
>original computer science research for a PhD, and thus making a genuine
>contribution to the field, I only have 1.5 years towards the requirement
>for becoming an ordinary member of the BCS (min. 4 years).
>

Hear, hear! And what bad news, as I was wondering what my PhD years would
count for to the BCS -- in fact, I was paid member of staff (research
assistant) at the time, so maybe playing that card will convince them? :-\

Not a good situation and it should be fixed. Mind you, employers seem to
take similar views, viz. 3 year PhD == 1.5 year work experience. I remain
unconvinced that this is a fair equality.

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From: msj@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Mike Joy)
Subject: Re: Engineers etc.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:32:56 GMT

Lindsay Marshall writes:

> ... Information Engineer ...

Surely "Information Systems Engineer". Personally, I think it's
an excellent description of what a Computer Scientist does ...
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