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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:35:42 -0500 
From: Mustafa Unlu <mustafa+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: life-2

Ahmet Arman <aarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:

>    Eger bir kimse doktora gittigi zaman, doktor onun hangi hastaligia sahip
> oldugunu bir cok test sonuclarindan cikartabilir. Bende sizin hakkinda bir
> kullandigim cumle vardi <sizin hucreleriniz YY sex chromosomu tasimaktadir>
> Eger YY sex chromosomu tasiyanlarin phenotypic chracterlerine baktiginiz
> zaman:
>       
>      a: saldirgan    (belki hatirlarsiniz kufurlerinizi like boltshit
>      b:aggrasive
>      c:tall
>   
>      yazilariniz tam bu krakterleri gosteriyor ve boyunuz herhalde uzun boylu
> olmali.
> 
1. "Krakter" karakter olucak.

2. "Benim yazilarimin hepsi paperlardan" demekle yukardaki gibi bilimsel
arastirma sonuclarini carpik bir bicimde anlamis ve anlatan bir
yaklasima gecerlilik kazandiramazsin.

3. XYY syndrome diye bilinen bir olay var, bu dogru. (Alien-3'u
seyredenler bu filmin bir XYY kolonisinde gectigini hatirlayacaklar).
Yanliz istatistik verilere dayandirilan ve de "XYY olanlar daha
saldirgandir" sonucuna varan arastirmalar sadece bu istatistik oranda
dogrudur.
Istatistik biliyorsaniz bunun her male criminal XYY dir veya XYY olan
herkes saldirgandir anlamina gelmedigini de bilmeniz lazim. Let alone
making conclusions about the genotype of Selim Guncer. Ne bilimsel bir
yaklasim, did you consider publishing? (Note: irony)

> Eger insan or diger organismalarin genome yapisina bakarsaniz,
> binlerce kb uzunlugunda ALU DNA sequence leri bilim adamlari buna junk DNA
> derler, cunku hic bir seye yaramaz. Senin beyninde bu DNA lardan cok galiba
> ve hemen  kufre baslamissin ve yazini junka gondermeye yeter. Gercekden bu
> saldirganligin nereden geliyor? Yazini junka gonderen beynindeki alu
> sequencesleri mi ? definitely bir turlu kara veremedim.

Evet, artik ne diyelim, gercekten cok bilimsel yaklasmis konuya. Artik
bu yukaridaki paragrafin ne kadar "bilimsel" olduguna ve yazarin bu
konuda ne kadar bilgili olduguna okuyan karar versin.


>      Eger bilimsel yazilarla gelirsen, sana cevap verebilirim, aksi takdirde
> bundan sonra senin junk yazilarina cevap veremeyecegim. There is no time.

Follow what you preach. 

Zaten bu "Islamci" arkadaslarimizin yaklasimlarinda hep ortaya cikan
bir oge. Cifte standart uygulamasi nerdeyse standart uygulama olmus.


Size kucuk bir oyku ile veda ediyim-

Avusturya'dan buraya bir yilligina exchange olarak gelmis bir kizin
abisi onu ziyarete geldi yil sonunda. Hep bereaber konusurken,
milliyetciliktan ve islamdan soz acildi. Ben "Allah'a inanmakta gucluk
cekiyorum" dedim. 

Bana bakti, bakti ve "O zaman senin katlin vecaptir." dedi. Sonra da niye
boyle oldugunu Peygamberimizin (SAV) hayatindan alintilarla (ki cogunu
daha once duymamistim) bana acikladi. Ben de aydinlandim.

Daha gidip te herhangi bir Musluman'a "Sen Muslumansin, onun icin seni
oldurmem lazim." demis degilim. Iste size cifte standartin alasi.

> N.A.

M.

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From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "Travesty International" and the Armenian genocide of Azeris.
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:26:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.102643U52148
 <9211172122@zuma.UUCP>
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Hey Serdar I have some more questions:

  1) Can you refer any GOOD history books from the ottoman period
     in the Balkans?

  2) Are you of Bosniak origin? (Your last name seems to be slavic)

  3) What is a Palik?

  4) Do you have contact with other Turkic groups?



You know Serdar, You and I are alike. Dod you ever wonder that the
cause of most of OUR problems come from Orthodox Christians?

-Cro
From: guncer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Otomatik Portakal )
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Summary: more islamic misinformation..
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:18:19 GMT

In article <27840.9211231118@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
> 
> |> 7- He murdered thousands of muslim people for just not wearing a
> |>    western hat.
> 
> |This is an outrageus lie! let's see: These murders could have happened
> |1- if the law stated that the punishment for not complying with the 
> |law is execution,
> |2- or if people were murdered without even prosecuted.
> 
> |You must show evidence for these to make such a claim. I'm not excluding the
> |possiblity of some executions, but those were definitely not just for refusing to wear
> |a hat. 
> 
> |Deniz Ertas
> 
> That is perfectly true that a lot of people have been executed just
> because they refused to wear hat. Look at the last historical searches
> after the archives were allowed to access. There are a lot of books
> in Turkey now proving such events.
> 
> Regards 
> BGC

I suggest you read Ugur Mumcu's article in the latest Cumhuriyet Hafta.
There is no substantial evidence which the "books" you mention are
based on.

Just because your prophet claimed to be "ummi" doesn't mean
you have to be one..

Selim Guncer
 
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From: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: CEVAP: LAIKLIGIN Teo... 
Reply-To: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:49:56 GMT

In article <BxtJvE.Lry@sci.kun.nl>, selmank@sci.kun.nl (Selman Karaman) writes:
> 	Merhaba,  
> 	Onceki hafta nete gectigim yazinin dili agir olduguna iliskin bu suc-
> lama beni cok sasirtti. Elbette herkesten butun kelimeleri anlamasi bekleni-
> lemez ama "bu yazidan bir sey anlayan varsa ciksin" yollu bir suclamanin da 
> yersiz ve zoraki oldugunu dusunuyorum.

	Ben sizin yerinizde olsam bunu suclama deyil + bir kritik olarak kabul
ederdim.
	Fikirleri olmak, yazmak cok genel seyler. Ama fikirleri anlatabilmek
ve
	herkesin anlamasi icin yazabilmek cok zor olsa gerek.
	Bunun icin de, dil, yazim tarzi onemlidir.

> Cunku yazinin icinde bir kac tane arap-
> ca asilli ve TURKCELESMIS kelime vardi. Bunlarda Turkce'de gayet sIk
kullanilan
> kelimelerdendi. Halbuki ben dilinden ziyade yazinin icerigine bir
tepki bekli-
> yordum, demek ki herkes yazarla hemfikir bu konuda.(Belki de hic kimse
bir tek
> kelimesini bile anlamadigindan itiraz edememistir, kim bilir)         

	Dile olan tepkinin nedenleri:
	A) Ben, kusura bakmayi lutfen, sizin yazinizdaki arapca sozcukleri
sanki
	   kiskirtacak gibi kullanmis oldugunuzu sezdim. Bunu ben sayin Kaya
Guralp'in
	   yazilarinin etkinliginin sizde olusan bir tepkisi olarak sezdim.

	B) Yaziyi okuyup kavrayamama zorlugu. Buda sizde gene tepki yaratti,
	   'yazimin icerigine bir tepki gelmedi ...' diyerek. Cok dogal,
adamlar
	   acikca yazinizin iceriyini yabanci kelime zorlugu yuzunden 
	   gorememisler. Bu da bence iyi bir feedback olabilir sizin icin
	   Bir dahaki yazinizin iceriginin anlasilmasi icin dilinin anlasilir
	   olmasina dikkat edeceginden emin ve umutluyum.
 
> 	Ama illede 100-200 kelime ile Turkce konusmamiz isteniyorsa bunada
biz 
> guc yetiremeyiz.

	Bakiniz, gene kiskirtmaca gibi. Size bir ornek vereyim; Orhan Pamuk
	cok guzel yaziyor, ustelik arapcada kullniyor oyle yapmak zorunda
	cunku tarih hikayeleri yazarken bunlarin Osmanlilarca nasil kullani-
        bilecegini dusundugu icin. Dusunemiyorumki Orhan Pamuk'u
anlamayan vede
	sevmeyen olsun Turkiye'de.

> Kimse kusura bakmasin. Hem boylece Emre bey'de Turkce'sini 
> gelistirmis olur. 
> 
> 
	Selam Getirmisem
	Suleyman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Re:Deniz akkus'a
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:32:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <11831.9211221506@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:

>
>|Religious freedom is being able to obey or not obey a religious system
>|of beliefs to the point of not interfering with someone else's right to
>|do so.  I would support Islamic or whatever dress for people who wished
>
>Where did you find this definition ? Have YOU made it up ?

Of course I did.  This is how "I" see religious freedom, in my opinion.
I don't claim expertise, I don't claim anybody else should follow this
definition or accept it, but in a posting specifically marked 'Deniz
Akkus'a' what did you expect me to provide anything other than what I
believe?  

I am interested in expressing my opinions and hearing other opinions in
return.  I don't think exchanging semantic definitions are really a way
into communication of any sorts, if communication and not ad hominem
attack is the main goal.    

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:46:39 -0500 
From: Mustafa Unlu <mustafa+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Why God Never Received Tenure at the University (fwd)

More fat for some to chew on. I think it's pretty funny, myself and I
really don't care how true it is that all these "attacks" were
foreseen way back in whatever century it was..

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Subject: Why God Never Received Tenure at the University (fwd)
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Forwarded message:
> From vkg@leland.stanford.edu Sat Nov 21 03:41:56 1992
> Full-Name: Vikaram Kumar Gupta
> From: vkg@leland.stanford.edu
> Message-Id: <9211211141.AA09513@cardinal.Stanford.EDU>
> Subject: Why God Never Received Tenure at the University
> To: hortacsu@leland.stanford.edu (Ali Hortacsu)
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 3:41:07 PST
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
> 
> Forwarded message:
> >From sgupta@us.oracle.com Fri Nov 20 09:52:12 1992
> Message-Id: <9211201751.AA16980@appseq>
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:51:11 GMT
> From: Suman Gupta <sgupta@us.oracle.com>
> To: ed.zanelli@gain.com, vkg@leland.stanford.edu
> Subject: Why God Never Received Tenure at the University 
> 
> 
> enjoy... suman
>  
>  
> Why God Never Received Tenure at the University 
> ----------------------------------------------- 
> 1. Because He had only one major publication. 
> 2. And it was in Hebrew. 
> 3. And it had no references. 
> 4. And it wasn't published in a refereed journal. 
> 5. And some even doubt He wrote it himself. 
> 6. It may be true that He created the world but what has He published/done 
>    since ? 
> 7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited. 
> 8. The scientific community has had a very rough time trying to repeat 
>    His results.   
  

  Herkese selamlar! 
					Ali
Benden de,

M.
	
 
 


M.
From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (mustafa o tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:23:06 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


Hello to everyone,

Since this Fuadi Rasyid guy is obsessed with the khalife job,
I suggest that we should support him to become the new khalife.
We can also make him a Mehdi. To guide him, I will mention some
of the very famous khalifes who did their best for the muslim world.

* Muaviye (son of Eb-u Sufyan) massacred the supporters of the house of
  Hz. Ali (4. khalife). 
* Muaviye's son famous Yezid also followed his fathers path in great success.
  His main accomplishment was killing Hz. Hussein (son of Hz. Ali and grandson
  of Hz. Muhammed). Yezid and his dear father Muaviye started a new tradition
  in the Islamic worls ==> Cursing the house of Hz. Ali during the prayers.
  How nice cursing and praying together...
* The rest of the Emevi khalifes except one followed this holy path.
* Abbasi dynasty overcame Emevis and became the new khalifes. Now this time
  they took from wherever Emevi khalifes left in the process of massacring
  the house of Ali.
* Then Turks came.....
* Yavuz, Ottoman Sultan, became the first Turkish khalife--> Another dynasty.
  In the process, Yavuz himself massacred his own Alevi people (people who
  submit themselves to the house of Hz. Ali), and the muslims on his way.
* All the Ottoman sultans and khalifes followed the same holy path Muaviye and
  his son Yezid had opened years ago, killing the house of Ali.
* Even one of the Ottoman khalifes declared that "killing a Kizilbas (Red-head,
  --> Alevi) is to be awarded by the god".
* Ataturk came and he got rid of the khalife job. 

  Now, the question is, Ataturk eliminated this job in 1924. Why in earth 
  did not anybody else volunteer for this job? As you know, originally khalife
  was appointed by the consensus of the people. After Hz. Ali, 4. khalife,
  it became a dynastic job. Since Ottomans are gone, that job is available now.
  It is a full-time job with a lot of benefits. You get your own harem, you get
  paid for doing nothing but preventing the science and technology. When you
  become thirsty, just massacre some Alevis. 

So I vote YES for Fuadi Rasyid to become the new khalife or even a Mehdi.

M. Okan Tanrikulu
A traitor Turkish student who like to live and die as a Turk.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: GB2YBSG <GB2YBSG@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: for bahadir inozu
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-24946]: music.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:49:27 GMT

Bahadir'cigim,
  Mailleselim. Benim adresim GB2YBSG@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU
Senin mehter diskinde pek is yokmus yahu.  Vokaller cok geriden ve
boguk geliyor.
  Diger arkadaslardan vakitlerini aldigim icin ozur dilerim.
Saygilar,
Murat Gulkan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Kaya ile 31 cekenlere
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:47:15 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Bu Net'te bir gun, Net'in icine pislemekten baska bir YETENEK'i ve GUC'u 
olmayan Dil Hastasi Kaya diye biri cikar, Allah'a, Resul'une ve Kitaplarina
agzina geleni sayip dokmeye baslar...
 
Hepiniz, ben de dahil olmak uzere, bir celallenirsiniz, bir celallenirsiniz....
neredeyse herifi oracikta tepeleyivereceksiniz...
 
Oteyandan, tepenizde dogdugunuzdan bu yana EGEMENLIK taslayan, VERGIlerinizi
yedikce semiren, GUC'lenen, malinizi-mirasinizi-mulkunuzu elinizden diledigi
gibi KOTARAN, size diledigini GIYDIREN, sizi diledigi anda SILAHLI
KUVVETLERINE silah altina cagiran, sizi diledigi CEPHEDE ve ALANDA diledigi
DUSMANIYLA carpistiran, size Allah'in kitabindan diledigi ayetleri, diledigi
bicimde ogreten, herturlu iletisim araclarini alabildigine kullanarak, 
gunde 24 saat Allah'a ve Onun emirlerine aykiri davranmakta hata etmemenizi
saglayacak bicimde olmadik duzenler tertipleyen ISYANCILAR-SEBEKESI
TAGUT karsisinda GIKINIZI bile cikaramazsiniz.
 
Siz muslumanlarin gerceklerinden, onlarin gercek dusmanlarinin onunden kacip
hayali dusmanlarla otuzbir cekiyorsunuz...
 
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Re: Kaya ve Arkadaslarina...
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:57:50 GMT


> From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
> Subject: Re: Kaya ve arkadaslarina...

> |  Gelin aklimizi kullanalim. Tanriya inanmaktan once, Tanri'yi anlayalim.
> |Gelen din kitaplarinin soylediklerini harfi harfine inanmak yerine
> |kendi aklimizla nasil iyi insan olunur onu bulalim. Bunlari da umud ederim
>
> | saygilarimla
> | ------------
> | kaya
>
> Gerceklere AKIL yoluyla erisilemez, akil cok dar bir alanda sinirlidir.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Akla dayali beseri sistemler belirli bir yerde yok olmaya yani
> gecerliligini kaybetmeye mahkumdur. Nicin akli yaradan o yuce Allah'a
> inanip onun dediklerini dinlemeyelim. Bir seyi yaradanmi iyisini bilir,
> yoksa yaratilanmi? Senin dedigin tabir caizse bir robotun kontrol
> sistemi herseyi yapar birakalim kendi yolunu bulsun, kendine uygun
> sekilde bir yurume sistemi, saga sola carpmadan yolunu bulma gibi prob-
> lemlerini nasil olsa kendisi ureticisinin verdigi sinirli akilla
> bulabilir demeye benzer. Insani yaradan onun ihtiyaclarini en iyi
> bilendir.    

 Pes vallahi abi. Bu kadar da olmazki. Herif diyor ki, aklimizi kullanmayalim.
Simdi Beytullah, peki aklimizi kullanmayacaksak Allah akli bize niye verdi?
Demek ki, senin beynini "sakin aklini kullanma" diye yikadilar.
Allah bize "Alin size bu emirleri, bunlara uyacaksiniz?" derdi. Herkes de
buna uyardi. Bunu bile dusunemeyecek kadar akilsizmisiniz Beytullah? Omoyla
yikanmis ve daha sonra da kurulanmamis sulu beyninizi, bir yerde kurutunuz. 
Sizin beyninizdeki su orani azcik artmis. Lutfen bu tavsiyeme uyunuz. Bende
Kaya'nin soyledigi laflara ek olarak sunu soyleyecegim: "Fakir, aciz olan 
Musluman ulkeler akillarini kullanamadiklari icin bu kadar aciz ve fakirler."

Yahu gozumle gormesem inanmayacagim birader. Vay Turkiye'nin haline. Aklini
kullanma diyen insanlar yetisiyor. Ve bu insanlar yabanci ulkelere gelip
master doktora yapiyorlar.

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
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From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Back to actual politics
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:32:58 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


Please take your drivel out of talk.politics.cis. 

We are trying to have a reasonably civil conversation
regarding contemporary soviet politics.

You keep sending your bullshit in. You've destroyed one newsgroup
(talk.politics.soviet), leave the new one alone.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: x-Soviet Armenia engaged in disgusting cowardly massacres 
 of Azeri...
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:14:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <9211221259@zuma.UUCP>
sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

> The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov,  the cheif investigator of a
> 15-man  team  looking  into  what Azerbaijan  calls  the  "Hojali
> Disaster", said  his figure of 600  people dead was a  minimum on
> preliminary  findings.  A similar  estimate  was  given by  Elman
> Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali.

And Daryl Gates says nothing was wrong with what happened to Rodney
King.  Nice unbiased sources.  I'm sure no Armenians in
Nagorno-Karabakh have been killed or made to flee to Armenia, right? 
:-)


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
'Denial is not just a river in Africa' -- Stuart Smalley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: haber ozeti
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:53:32 GMT

 
 bazi haber ozetleri,
 
 * The Gerede to Ankara section of the trans-Anotolian motorway from
   the Bulgarian border via Istanbul was scheduled to be opened on
   28 October by Prime Minister Suleyman Demirel. Built by a venture
   of the local Enka and the US'Bechtel, the 120km section has dual
   carriageway, each with three lane, and structures including 28
   overpasses,17 tunnels and six bridges across it. As of mid-october,
   Turkey had a total of 440 km of comleted motorway, which will 
   rise to about 460kms by the end of year, according to officials
   from the Public Works & Housing Ministry. Another 740 kilometres
   of motorway are due for completion starting from 1993; a $75
   million loan was signed up from the Export-Import Bank of the US
   recently, which has been included in a $300 million pool of financing
   to back the completion of motorways.
 
 * Car output was up by 42 percent to 186,568 units in the first nine 
   months of 1992 compared with the corresponding period of the previous
   year,the Automotive Manufacturers' Association says. Fiat licensee
   Tofas was market leader with 53 per cent, followed by Oyak Renault
   with 42 per cent, General Motors with 4 per cent and Otosan(Ford)
   with 1 per cent.
 
 
   MEED,6 November 1992
 
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  Saygilarimla,
  ismet
 
           Those who have grasped the purpose of the Revolution will 
           always be able to safeguard it.
                                                     
                                                    Kemal Ataturk
From: nikita@russia (John R. Hardy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Mormony
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:50:28 GMT
Organization: Hardy & Assoc.


In article <1992Nov19.054001.17601@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu writes:

 > France :). This is how CIA-paid Mormons are causing
 > the brain drain from Russia. 
 > 
 > Misha.
 
 I first would like to say that I am no longer a mormon, even though
 I do live still live in Utah.  And when I was a mormon I went on a mission
 to New England.  This was not the most plesant experience in my life, and
 I, as stated, am no longer a member.  Although I completely reject your
 insult upon that Church as being payed by the CIA.  What a narrow minded
 person you must be.  
 That is like saying the Catholic church is the church of the devil.
 *Remember everyone, I do NOT believe that it is*, but do you get my point.
 Those individuals believe in there religion, and want to share it with
 the whole world.  I think that is admirable.  I also think they go to far
 with it at times.
  
                          John R. Hardy
                        Midvale, Ut. 84047
                       email:  nikita@russia
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:30:05 EST
From: <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Schtirliz story

Schtirliz was assigned a job in US. Driving to his new home he saw
a sign "RESIDENTS PARKING ONLY". "Provocation",- understood Schtirliz -
and decided to not park his car

-Boris
From: IP25218@portland.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


     I am new to this list and relativly new to the study of Russian.   I have
seen this debate go on for the past few days, and I've managed to figure out
most of the discussion.   The unfortunate thing is that I have never heard of
Vysotsky.   I am very interested in Russian literatue, however my knowlage of
it is very limited.   Does anyone have any particular works by vysotsky that
they think I should read.   I would like to expand my knowledge, so I can
participate more in discussions.

Thank you in advance,
Joshua Boulanger            E-mail IP25218@portland.maine.edu