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From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: 1983 Liberty Bowl
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:15:44 GMT

Gerg Sroka should enjoy this post as it affirms his claim that Notre Dame 
declined a bowl invitation following the 1982 season.  The following is quoted 
from the book "Wake Up the Echoes" by Ken Rappoport.

     - Pat


     When Notre Dame accepted a bid to the Liberty Bowl in 1983, it seemed
to be a departure from tradition.  After all, the Irish were not in the
habit of going to bowl games after 6-5 seasons as a matter of pride.
     Back in 1971 Notre Dame spurned a bowl bid because it felt that an
8-2 record was not good enough, and also stayed home after a 7-4 campaign
in 1979.  The Irish got two bowl invitations in 1981, despite a 5-6 record,
but nixed both.  And in 1982 they rejected another bowl bid in the wake
of a 6-4-1 season that was stronger than the record would indicate.

     In 1983 the enigmatic Irish showed how great they could be with a 52-6
rout of Purdue on opening day, but also showed the other side with a 20-0
loss to Miami.  And just when everyone thought that the Irish had found
themselves with a 27-6 beating of Southern Cal and a 28-12 descision over
Navy that put their record at 6-2, they lost their last three games of
the season to finish at an unatractive 6-5.  The regular season ended with
a particularly bitter 23-22 loss to Air Force when [Mike] Johnston's field
goal try was slammed back into the wet turf at Notre Dame stadium by the
Falcons' defensive tackle Chris Funk.
     After that demoralizing loss to Air Force, [Gene] Corrigan told the
Liberty Bowl representatives, "Go find somebody better; we don't want to
embarrass you."  But the Liberty Bowl people would not take no for an answer.
On sunday, Liberty Bowl spokesamn REggie barns told the Notre Dame athletic
director, "We want Notre Dame all the way.  We decided to invite them win,
lose, or draw."  A couple of days of indecision followed.  On Sunday night
Notre Dame players voted to accept the invitation, after much debate and
split voting.  Fianlly, Notre Dame officials met Monday and gave teh green
light to the bowl trip.  "I wouldn't say it is a total departure from 
tradition," Corrign said.  "Everything is done at Notre Dame on an ad hoc 
basis."

- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas Got Screwed--SWC is a Goner
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:20:33 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Nov23.170811.8615@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:


>
>p.s. I'd be curious to know what other people who saw the ENTIRE game
>though. (If you didn't see the whole game, you can't see what I'm talking
>about... I wouldn't have believed it, either, if i hadn't seen the entire
>game.) This morning, I talked to the first UT-hater that I know
>personally who actually watched the game... and he agreed. Of course, 
>he was GLAD that the officials were biased, since he hates UT, but he
>was sure they were, too.
>
>-- 
>
>*********************************
>  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")       
>  Department of Astronomy        

Well I watched every agonizing minute of it and thought the officiating really
sucked bad.  This is the first time I have ever complained about officiating.
Generally you bitch because you are trying to find some way to save face when
you get beat bad but this was not the case.  The calls were quite often - 
about 90% I'd say - after plays that had the ability to seriously change the 
momentum of the game.

I think the following quote says it all.  It is an excerpt from the Austin
American Statesman on page D8 column 5 at paragraph 5: "As the officials were
leaving the stadium Saturday, they were subjected to some verbal abuse by Texas
 fans who concluded: 'You guys suck.' One of the officials responded: 'So does
Texas.'"

If this is not Bias, I do not know what is.  This type of response from an
official just makes the conference look bad.

Oh, well with this behind us I suppose it's now time to beat a&m.  Somewhere
someone posted that the record was 64-29-5 which just so happens that Texas
has beaten a&m more than they have beaten any other team.  Here's to # 65 :-)

Chris Traynor
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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Keywords: travesty
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:07:25 GMT

In article <9744@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, gunner1+@pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal)
writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W
Turner) writes:
> >If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
....................
> will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.
> >
> >I think this would be a travesty, look at the 
> >teams Iowa has beaten
> >..................
> >hardly an impressive list, surely there will
> >be more deserving teams who won't get to go
> >to a bowl.
> 
> Tough shit !
> 
> Come one, you're surely not naive enough to
> think that bowl invitations are sent out purely
> on the basis of football merit.  What matters a LOT
> is (1) how many fans the school is capable of 
> drawing, and (2) how influential the school, its
> conference and its coach are.  In both regards,
> most Big 10 teams - and certainly Iowa - come out
> pretty strongly.
 
  Yes, I'm aware of how the bowl system operates, and in
  most years Iowa has deserved to go, but not this year. 
  I think in order to deserve a bid, a team should at least 
  beat one quality opponent.
   
> 
> Now, having said that I must admit that I hope the 
> Hawks turn down an invite if one comes their way - 

  No chance of that, Iowa will do anything and everything
  to get a bowl-bid. Hayden Fry needs to save face after
  his rather presumptious coca-cola ads. (in which the
  1st prize was a trip to the hawkeye bowl game)
> 
> Well, well, well, look where this post originated from - 
> good old Moo U ! I just noticed.  I guess that explains
> why you sound so righteously indignant.  Hey, you have to
> get used to these things.  Play a few more like last week
> and you might eventually get noticed.
> 
   Maybe Iowa should play to that level too, they have
   yet to do so this year.
  
Richard Turner
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Michigan vs. winning teams?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:43:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University


     Is it true that Michigan hasn't beat a team with a final record over .500 
this year? Could someone post their schedule and let us know?

                                        Steve
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:12:23 GMT

In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
>
>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?
>
>If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
>in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
>I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
>year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.

Last year the Bowls had a self imposed moritorium on selecting teams before
the third week in November until ND, knowing they still had to play        
Tennessee and Penn St, basicly told the Sugar Bowl take them now or we
won't go if you offer later.

This year there were no moritoriums and no restrictions for selection.
When the cartel was organizing, PSU wanted to be a part of it but was
shut out (one less team means more money for those leagues involved).
The Blockbuster, also shut out, made the first move.

As far as PSU (if they beat Pitt) being 7-4 and going to a bowl, one
could make the same claim about Notre Dame if they lost to Michigan, BC,
Penn St, and USC.  A 7-4 ND would be guarenteed a birth in either the
Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Fiesta.  The Notre Dame wins would come against   
rough and tumble teams like Air Force, Navy, Northwestern, Purdue,
Michigan St...   

I don't think Penn State fans said that ND didn't deserve a bowl, but 
Penn State plasters ND 35-13 and gets to play the 3rd place SEC team
while ND plays the SEC champ (and earns $1,000,000 more), hardly fair.

Amazing, at 7-4, Notre Dame would still earn a better NYD bid than a 
7-4 PSU and the Irish fans still think they're being robbed.


John L
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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:28:45 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.143251.8737@sparky.imd.sterling.com>, marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
> In a recent followup, I asked about the status of some of the great OU QBs and
> I got to thinking that there have been a lot of great QBs in the Big 8, what
> course did their careers take, and what are they up to now?  I've started a
> list, anybody know about these players? Anybody have anybody to add?
> 
>    John Hadl - KU alum - Former AFL Start QB with the Chargers
>                          Currently on KU ADept Staff - Fundraiser
> 
>    Bobby Douglas - KU Alum - ??
> 
>    Jerry Tagge - NU alum - Former NFL QB, Packers?
>                            Currently a Businessman in Omaha, NE
> 
>    Jack Mildren - OU alum - ??
> 
>    Lynn Dickey - KSU alum - Former NFL QB, Packers?
> 
>    Thomas Lott - OU alum - NFL???
>                            Holds an elected office in Okla, Preacher
> 
>    Darien Hagen - CU alum - NFL with whom?
> 
>    Turner Gill - NU Alum - CFL QB with Montreal,  Minor League Baseball
>                            Player, Coached at various colleges.
>                            Currently QB coach at NU
>    
>    Mike Gundy - OSU Alum - ??
> 
>    Jamelle Hollieway - OU Alum - Knee injury 
>    
>    Charles Thompson - OU Alum - Prison Term
>                       JUCO Student, JUCO QB
> -- 
> Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko

     J.C. Watts - OU  - Currently on Oklahoma Corporation Commission.
			Spoke at Democratic National Convention this year.

     Steve Owens - OU    ???

There must be some more Nebraska quarterbacks here.  Help us out!
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: I-AA Report for November 21 (1/3): Scores and Schedules
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:29:31 GMT

I am missing a few scores this week.  Sorry.

                         Last Week's Results:

East:

Boston U. 30  Connecticut 25       Columbia 35  Cornell 30
Dartmouth 51  Brown 28             Holy Cross 18  Colgate 17
Howard 68  Morgan St. 21           Lafayette 49  Bucknell 7
Maine 21  Massachusetts 13         New Hampshire 20  Rhode Island 13
Penn 21  Harvard 19                Princeton 36  Yale 7
Villanova 31  Fordham 14

South:

Appalachian St. 42  N. Car. A&T 6  Bethune-Cookman 31  Norfolk St. 26
C. Florida 41  James Madison 37    The Citadel 50  VMI 0
E. Kentucky 45  Austin Peay 14     Furman 35  Tennessee-Chattanooga 7
Grambling 27  Florida A&M 10       Liberty 49  Delaware St. 27
Marshall 52  Tennessee Tech 14     Middle Tennessee 70  Morehead St. 0
Richmond 29  Delaware 21           S. Car. St. 32  Charleston Southern 0
Samford 42  Tennessee-Martin 25    Tennessee St. 19  Murray St. 10
Towson St. 33  Northeastern 32     Troy St. 21  Georgia Southern 0
W. Carolina 41  E. Tenn. St 12     William and Mary 26  Lehigh 13
Jackson St. 46  Prarie View 0

Midwest:

Akron 10  Youngstown St. 10, tie   E. Illinois 28  W. Kentucky 7
Illinois St. 52  SE Missouri 33    Indiana St. 31  SW Missouri 28
N. Iowa 37  W. Illinois 6

Southwest:

N. Texas St. 13  SW Texas St. 10

Far West:

E. Washington 14  Boise St. 13     Idaho 28  Montana St. 7
Southern Utah 16  Idaho St. 10



                              This Week's Schedule

W. Carolina at Appalachian St.     UT-Martin at Austin Peay
Idaho at Boise St.                 Northeastern at Boston U.
C. Florida at Samford              The Citadel at Furman
Rhode Island at Connecticut        Towson St. At Delaware
Eastern Kentucky at Morehead St.   Marshall at E. Tenn. St.
Georgia Southern at Youngstown St. Montana at Idaho St.
Indiana St. at Southern Illinois   Kutztown at Liberty
Maine at Villanova                 Massachusetts at New Hampshire
McNeese St. at Weber St.           Tennessee Tech at Middle Tennessee
Montana St. at Nevada-Las Vegas    Western Kentucky at Murray St.
Troy St. at Nicholls St.           Northeast Louisiana at North Texas St.
SW Missouri at Northern Iowa       NW Louisiana at S. F. Austin
William and Mary at Richmond       Sam Houston St. at SW Texas St.
SE Missouri at Tennessee St.       Tennessee-Chattanooga at VMI
Towson St. at Delaware             Jackson St. at Alcorn St.
Bethune-Cookman at Morgan St.      Brown at Columbia
Colgate at Bucknell                Penn at Cornell
Dartmouth at Princeton             Delaware St. at Howard
Fordham at Holy Cross              Yale at Harvard
Lehigh at Lafayette                Prarie View at Southern
South Car. St. at N. Car. A&T      Texas Southern at Nevada

OPEN: E. Illinois, E. Washington, Illinois St., James Madison, N. Arizona,
W. Illinois, Alabama St., Florida A&M, Grambling St., Mississippi Valley St.

PDunn
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How Colorado could still win the Big ....ya ya ya
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:41:15 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlvm.unl.edu

In article <1992Nov16.031745.10010@colorado.edu>
manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>What I am saying is that they will be in for some serious football when
>they visit Norman.
>
No dah!  OU is our rival.  This game is always a hard hitting one every year.
Were have you been the last the several decades?
 
>Also, I heard some folks saying that NU was probably looking ahead to the
>next game (or even OB!). Give me a break. You guys were beaten by a team
>which played better that day. So try out on yourself some of that advice you
>were giving out to CU fans a couple of weeks earlier!
>
>Njan
 
The coaches weren't looking ahead.  The players were.  The coaches had been
telling them all week long to keep focused for ISU but the players admitted
that they were thinking of OU most of all. As NU QB said, 'we weren't there,
we were just going thru the motions', and we paid the price for it.  But I
don't think it would have mattered last Saturday afternoon anyway.   Though
unlike CU fans like you, we aren't complaining about our QB's performance and
saying that only *if* so and so would have started, ya, then we wouldn't have
lost to ISU.  ISU showed what happens when you get your heart into the game
and believe in your team.  On those days, nobody can beat you.  ISU played a
great football game, they deserved that win.  Enough said....on to Norman!
 
Conrad Castaneda
U of Nebraska-Lincoln
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: 1 2 feel good about
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:53:03 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


>When Bill Dooley announced this would be his last season it seemed
>sure that he would go out on a sour note.

>Wake Forest had not been good in recent years (3-8 last year), and an
>increasingly difficult ACC schedule didn't look to offer any solace.


>But...a 1-3 start, with the three losses actually being routs has
>been the harbinger of SIX STRAIGHT WINS!


>Congratulations to Wake Forest and Bill Dooley for accomplishing a
>great reversal in fortune. 


Plus, did you notice that Wake Forest is actually now #25 Wake Forest in the 
new AP poll?  This is more out of respect for the fact that they compiled a
7-3 record in the tough ACC.  Congratulations to the Deacons on a great
season!
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:24:44 GMT

Glenn Tanner (tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: This is not a joke, at least by me.  It's just another example of the double 
: standard with which the NCAA enforces its penalties. If you are SMU or Tulsa, 
: or some other small school, expect to be hit hard.  But, if you're Texas A&M, 
: Texas, or any other big-money state university with a powerful athletic 

  ie. Washington

: program, you'll get treated with kid gloves.  Even though they fit the 
: qualifications for the NCAA Death Penalty, if I were Auburn, I wouldn't be 
: too worried.

You seem to have forgotten that A&M received a bit more than a slap on the
hand for their transgressions.  Yes, I will admit that they did things
wrong, and they got caught, but the football team was penalized, including
loss of scholarships and post-season ban.  Additionally, they entire
athletic program is now under "death-penalty" threat.

Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about
a questionable $50,000 deal here.  Several (not all) of A&M's 20 or so 
violations were along the lines of "recruits were given caps on official 
visits", "recruit was given a ride to the airport by an assistant coach", 
etc.  These violations were certainly allowed to have an effect on
"on-field" performances.
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: ND and southern teams (was: FSU 1993 Schedule)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143317.21319@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <75240@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wrote:
>>}
>>}                    ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
>>}has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  
>>
>>Can you elaborate on this?  Did Notre Dame get a "very ugly reception"
>>in Birmingham, AL or Clemson, SC or Baton Rouge, LA or Jackson, MS or
>>at any other place they have played "down south" in recent memory?
>
>I don't know about every time they've played in the South.  Of course, the
>last few times in Miami were very ugly for the fans.  They were literally
>afraid for their safety.  There was an incident at Georgia Tech, but I
>don't know when exactly, maybe under Devine?  Maybe Pat Fleming or someone
>else knowledgeable about ND knows more about southern hospitality for ND?

Relative to the number of great teams there are in the south, Notre Dame's
schedule tends to be underrepresented in southern teams.  They've played
very recently at Tennessee, and Miami, but not too many other places south
of the Mason Dixon line.  (Unless you count Los Angeles.)  Since the
major bowls are largely in the south, Notre Dame has played in those a lot,
though often against non-southern teams.  Notre Dame and Alabama have only 
played four or five times *total*, most of those in bowls.  I believe that
Notre Dame has similar numbers of matchups with Georgia, Auburn, and some
of the other longstanding southern football powers.  There was indeed 
an ugly incident at Georgia Tech during the Devine years, which explains why 
Georgia Tech and Notre Dame don't play regularly, but I don't know of any 
particular animosity between ND and Florida, or Florida State, or Clemson, 
or Auburn, or any of the other fine teams from the south.  Part of the
reason is doubtless that many of Notre Dame's traditional rivals are from
the east or midwest, part of the reason is a desire to avoid too much long
travel (though that doesn't stop home and home series with USC, Stanford,
Air Force, or BYU), but, otherwise, I don't really know why Notre Dame's
schedule is so light on southern teams.  I don't think this is changing
much in the upcoming years, as I remember ND's future schedules.  Other
than the games with Florida State, I don't remember any other southern
teams coming onto ND's schedule.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: dxy54@cas.org (Dennis Yep)
Subject: Re: Small college in Penn
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:25:46 GMT


	Wily Don Canham, Michigan's Athletic Director decided to fill Michigan
Stadium on a weekend when Michigan was not playing. He invited both schools.
They brought not only their teams, but also their bands, cheerleaders, and
fans who were delighted to watch their team play in the country's largest
college-owned stadium. (The stadium capacity then was "only" 101,000) Canham
also added to the festive air of the event by arranging to have the Budweiser
Clydesdale horses there. The horses were stabled near the stadium, and visitors
got to see them and their companion dalmatian dogs. As I remember, many Ann
Arbor natives got caught up in the spirit of the game.   Most rooted for
Slippery Rock because their scores always are announced during the Michigan
games.
From: gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue reclaims the Bucket, beats IU 13-10!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 17:41:18 -0500
Organization: Purdue University Department of Computer Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: morgause.cs.purdue.edu


In was game that no one seemed to want.  Full of mistakes, penalties,
and missed chances (at least for Purdue).  Purdue outgained IU about
400 yards to 200 yards but amassed over 160 yards in penalities.  It
took a Eric Hunter touch down run and a pair of field goals by Joe
O'Leary (one that hit the cross bar and bounced over) to beat the hated
Hoosiers.  It was a pretty ugly game but Boiler fans will take it.
It was Purdue's first win over IU at Ross Ade since the days of Rod
Woodson in 1986.

With IU driving for the game winning touchdown, or at least the game
tying field goal, Purdue's Jimmy Young intercepted a Trent Green pass in
the end zone and almost broke it for a touch down.  He was tackled in
front of the IU bench and a fight ensued.  Young looked pretty beat up
after it was all over.

A determined crowd of Purdue students managed to take down one set of
goal posts and transport them to the Purdue fountain.  This despite
Purdue's attempts to make them unbreakable.  After about 10 minutes of
trying, the cement directly under the post broke and the post was free.
And there was much rejoicing.

Carl
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