HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Subject: Re: *** Frequent Stomach upsets. Reasons? ***
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 08:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.014753.15491@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.174441.150722@cs.cmu.edu> sjha+@cs.cmu.edu (Somesh Jha) writes:
>>
>>
>>I am posting this for a friend. He says he gets stomach upsets very
>>frequently. Is this an early sign of ulcer? What can cause these things?
>>
>
>It was recently discovered that over 90% of stomach ulcers are
>caused by a helicobactor bacterial infection. 
>
>If his stomach upsets continue, his exam should include a blood test
>for helicobacter.
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young] (x37176)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Tamoxifen info [was Re: DES structure? (and much, much more)]
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul23.132820.29681
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Jul23.031014.6461@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>A related drug, tamoxifen (Nolvadex), is also an antiestrogen/partial
>agonist.  It is used in the treatment of certain forms of breast cancer
>which are hormone-dependent.  Tamoxifen occupies the estrogen receptor
>sites in estrogen-dependent breast cancer cells.  However, because
>it does not function fully as a complete estrogen, the cells are
>deprived of the estrogen they need to multiply.  Naturally, this
>kind of therapy is only effective if the cancer cells are sensitive
>to estrogen.  Not all cases of breast cancer are.  The A ring in
>both clomiphene and tamoxifen is converted in the body to the 4-hydroxy
>form (so it resembles the A ring in estradiol and DES.)  This is the
>most active metabolite.
>
>There has recently begun a study of the use of tamoxifen in post-
>menopausal women who do NOT have breast cancer, to evaluate its
>efficacy as a prophylactic against developing cancer of the breast.
>(Essentially depriving microscopic cancer cells or pre-cancerous cells
>from the positive stimulation of residual estrogen.) In addition, the
>study will look at the drug's efficacy in preventing osteoporosis due
>to estrogen deficiency.  Its partial agonist effect as an estrogen is
>manifested by its calcium-sparing/bone-promoting actions in a manner
>similar to estrogen, whereas it acts as an antagonist or "impeded
>estrogen" when it comes to occupying estrogen receptors on breast
>cancer cells which require the hormone to multiply.  This study is only
>now being set up.  It's much too early to speculate what its effects
>might be.
>
>The drug is expensive, can cause menopause-like symptoms, but
>seems fairly non-toxic (for an anti-cancer therapy), and the
>hypothesis is that it may be sufficiently free from toxicity
>to confer beneficial effects in prophylactic use.

	Re the above discussion, there are a couple of articles in SCIENCE NEWS
	related to tamoxifen and adjuvant breast cancer therapy which may
	be of interest:

	SCIENCE NEWS: "The Adjuvant Advantage", Vol. 141, No. 8,
	February 22, 1992, pp. 124-125.

	SCIENCE NEWS: "Tamoxifen Quandary", Vol. 141, No. 17, April 25, 1992,
	pp. 266-269.

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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Atabrine no longer manufactured?
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:18:28 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul22.155423.21820@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
]I have been told by my pharmacist that Atabrine is no longer being
]manufactured. Is this true? US only or the whole world? Are their
]any equivalent medications?                                 ^^^^^
see, you don't have to be a vice president to make spelling mistakes.

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From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young] (x37176)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes-Heart Disease & The French
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:59:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul28.215956.16324
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <1992Jul28.193728.5048@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:

>In article <15830@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>
>>As far as I am concerned, 60 minutes, and most other so-called
>>investigative reporting on TV are pure crap.  Stick to Consumer
>>Reports.
>
>Consumer's Reports is great for evaluating toasters and toilet paper, but
>it's medical reporting stinks. They're medical advisory board consists
>of a bunch of AMA-types who do nothing but parrot the party line.

	You're absolutely right: the AMA __should__ have supported Laetrile
	and coffee enemas.

	Seriously, though, although I do believe that the AMA has occasionally
	erred on the conservative side, in sum, they are more often right
	than wrong.  The fact that they don't wholeheartedly endorse ginseng
	tea for hair loss is not a reason for rejection of other statements.

	Consumer Reports does an excellent job of reporting the "conventional
	wisdom" of the time without hype and hysteria...something which
	can rarely, if ever, be said about the works of such notables as
	Robbins, McDougall, or Kloss.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: Cortisone
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:34:04 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <14692@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.031822.4753@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>>I just had a cortisone injection in my shoulder for tendonitis or a
>>partial tear of the supraspinitus muscle.  It was several hours ago.  I
>>don't feel so good.  Does cortisone injected like that make one feel ill?
>>I did receive a message from someone who said his friend got ill
>>(nauseous) from shots of cortisone.  What are the known side-effects of a
>>local injection of cortisone with xylocaine?
>> 
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Alice
>
>I had 4 (yes, four) cortisone injections in my shoulder.  I didn't feel
>nauseated even 1 time.  Finally, I found out that it wasn't an inflammation
>of my superspinatus but actually a small tear.  Bummer.  I'm doing great now
>though (after arthroscopic).
>
>							-Adam
>
>-- 
>     **********************************************************************
>     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>     **********************************************************************

Adam:  Thanks.  Actually, the doc thought I probably do have partial tears
of the muscle.  He still gave me cortisone.  Sounds like cortisone did not
do the trick for you.  What is 'arthroscopic'?

Alice
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:07:05 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <BrKHE9.6MA@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:

>
>There are physicians who've harmed their patients multiple times, 
>and in a predictable manner.  As an example, let me remind you of 
>the case of the "Love Doctor" in Akron, Ohio that we discussed 
>several months ago.  He was routinely (sexually) mutilating his 

Yes, and I'm still waiting for you to provide me with the references
to this case.

>If it's ok to establish a database to help doctors identify 
>malpractice litigants, don't you think it'd be ok for the public 
>to establish a database to help consumers identify 
>malpractitioners?  

Sure.  But if you really want to help consumers, you need to
know more than just who has been sued how many times.  THe
analogous situation is the list they published of the 
percentages of patients in each hospital who died.  All the
best hospitals with the sickest patients looked terrible,
and the hospitals that are just hotels for people who aren't
sick looked great.  THere was almost an inverse correlation
with which hospital you were better off in if you were really
sick.  Do you have any idea how to determine the merits of
a malpractice suit without spending a lot of money on impartial
experts to review each case and pick out the bad ones?
The problem is most suits are settled.  SOme are settled because
there was clear malpractice.  Others are settled because the insurance
company doesn't want to spend the money fighting it, but there
wasn't really much chance of there being malpractice.
I suspect any such databases will just list the number of suits
and awards (settlements are secret and not subject to public
scrutiny).  


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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Subject: Mesothelioma
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:02:58 GMT

My Father-in-law, a male cauc. 77 years old, has tentatively
been diagnosed with pleural Mesothelioma.  They are having a
real tough time determining that it is positive.  If it is
positive what's he in for in terms of treatment and what kind
of five year survival numbers do we have for this type of
cancer.  Any other details appreciated.

Thanks,

Bobby akgua!rjb
From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Blood transfusions
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:15:54 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

Over dinner last night, my friends and I somehow gravitated to the subject of
blood transfusions during a hospital stay.  One friend said she heard that
one can receive blood from a given person only once in one's life, e.g. if
my mother were to give blood to me, she could only do so (for me) once.  If
I were to need another transfusion, I would have to get it from someone else
as my body would react strongly to my mother's blood the second time around.

Is this true???  Sounds dubious to me but I'm curious...

Vida.
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: RU-486 Confiscation
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Daniel R. Field)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:50:20 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Keywords: abortion, RU-486, FDA, confiscation, Bush, paternalism 

The recent case of the government confiscating a woman's personal supply of
RU-486 is very distressing.  The FDA "allows" a person to import personal
supplies of drugs (other than the psychedellic variety) for personal use,
such as as many unapproved AIDS drugs.

Abortion is currently legal (and, I hope, will remain so) in this country.
Since the action of this drug is not illegal, what other than sour
politics on the part of the Bush administration could justify this
confiscation?  Is there any paternalistic arguement about this drug that
demands that a grown woman needs to be "protected" from this particular
unapproved drug any more than those others that they allow in? 

Argh!

                               -Dan Field
                                dfield@nike.calpoly.edu

Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
From: rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (The Terminally Bored)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: address for AMA
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:18:53 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Does somebody have an e-mail address for the AMA, please e-mail your responce.
Thanks.

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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: amnesiac drugs
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:45:49 EDT

I saw the discussion about MD disclosure and anesthsia.  I think the
poster mentioned something about drugs that cause you to forget
what went on.  Then my sister told me this story:  she had a 
condition (supposedly cured now) where she had an extra nerve
pathway to her heart.  She had an "attack" where her heart rate
went up to 300 beats per minute.  When they couldn't control it
with the usual drugs they decided to use the defibrillator (sp?)
or "paddles".  Before they did it they told her they were going 
to give her a drug so that she wouldn't remember it.  They did
and she didn't (they probably should have given some to her
husband, too, as he was quite traumatized at watching they
zap her 3 times...).  Anyway, what's the story with these
drugs?  What was it, most likely?  How do they work (not
too technical but what part of the brain or by what chemical
means or so they know?)?  Is it possible that you might actually
remember the incident at some point?  Maybe a flashback
kind of effect (I'd swear that 2 months after surgery I
had flashes of having a tube down my throat...I might just
be nuts, though..)?  Is it the kind of thing experienced
on a drug like Xanax?  Do they do this alot?
Margot

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From: fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: toradol and 'ketolac' pain relievers
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:57:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

Presently, it is only available in a parenteral formulation in the
U.S.A.  It is approved for IM (injected into the muscle) use, although
some people (myself included) will give it IV (into the vein).  Although
I think it is pretty good, I don't think it is as potent for
post-surgical pain as advertised (a full dose is supposed to be
equivalent to 10 mg morphine IM).  It does tend to last longer than the
usual narcotics do.  It is non-addictive.  The dose needs to be reduced
in the young and elderly, and in those with renal insufficiency.  It is
very expensive (at least at our hospital), when compared to other drugs,
so its use has been restricted by our pharmacy, and when a person can take
oral medications, the ketorolac is stopped, and an oral (cheaper)
medication substituted.
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Medical records go with you?
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f20.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Date: 10 Jul 92 14:04:31 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/20 - Metro Hub One, Hatboro PA

>from: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)

 RL> In article <1992Jun28.175931.1924@cis.ohio-
 RL> state.edu> wilcox@python.cis.ohio-state.edu 
 RL> (Patricia P Wilcox) writes:
pw> Ken -- can you give us a reference that supports this?  I am 
pw> being given the runaround by at least two doctors who refuse to 
pw> give me copies of my medical records.  They will make copies for 
pw> each other, but not for me.  (I am in Ohio -- would the law be 
pw> different in different states?) 
 
True, but a lot  of patients might be shocked at the transcription error
rate, or think that they have 'some horrible disease' because of a test.
You need a mature patient who is well educated or else a lot of MD's will
be bothered. Tis best to have the MD explain things a bit more than they
might be doing now.


 

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From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
 <15858@pitt.UUCP> <1992Jul28.131224.23094@spdcc.com> <7dnmqdl@dixie.com>

This business of people 'accidently' sitting on a light bulb, mayonaise
bottle, etc, reminds me that in England a surprising number of men are
admitted to hospital outpatients departments having 'just been vacuuming the
carpet in the nude and somehow their penis (penii ?) got sucked into
the hose on the vacuum cleaner'.
Well, I suppose it is *just* remotely possible, unlike the story I heard
from an Irish MD last week about the man with a large nut screwed onto the
same organ. Now, what's the innocent explanation for that, I wonder ? Just
servicing the car in the nude and he slipped into the tool box ?!

RaF
Xref: sparky sci.med:14663 alt.drugs:13634
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:01:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.machman.712342861
Organization: University of Washington

turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:

>-*----
>The greatest danger from smoking marijuana is that by possessing,
>using, buying, and selling this drug, one risks the attention of
>a group of thugs who will steal one's property, abuse one's person,
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>deprive one's liberty, and otherwise make one's life miserable.  

hey!  be careful about what you call The Government!  
you may live to regret it.

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From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Use of term allopath
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul20.201812.7031@island.COM= green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
=In article <15657@pitt.UUCP= km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
==In article <711172864.F00005@blkcat.UUCP= John.Willis@p123.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John Willis) writes:
===
===Myself, and many others, have generally understood the term to apply to that
===type of medicine which does not get at the root cause of a disease, but rather
===treats the symptoms of the disease, i.e. "disease care" as opposed to "health
===care", where the "disease care" approach has significant side effects associated
===with it. (We all know which is the more profitable)
===
==
==TUBS. Giving someone an antibiotic to treat an infection is treating the
=="symptoms of the disease"? You have no idea how medicine works - just
==because someone feels better after treatment doesn't mean the medication
==was aimed at the symptoms! This is ridiculous. There is no "health vs disease"
==dichotomy. Everyone is in a state of relative health and relative disease
==all the time. Do you have any idea of how much work your body does
==fighting off infection, mutant cells, etc., adjusting for failing
==systems every day? A lot of what the body does is also how medication
==works, as well. 
=
=Antibiotics are the exception, rather than the rule. Most allopathic
=treatments are geared toward maintenance, rather than cure. Examples
=of this include diabetes, most forms of heart disease, asthma, arthritis, etc.

Hmm. Alternative medicine cures diabetes, corrects valvular heart disease,
reverses asthma and makes joints normal? TUBS.

 -km
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: ancient population decline (was: methods of birth control)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 12:09:56 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Population is not ever-increasing everywhere.

-*----
In article <1992Jul28.222628.177@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> Even in Socrates' time, midwives (like Socrates's mother) knew 
> both birth control and abortion techniques. ...
>
> But the world population seems to have increased anyway.  Hmmmm...

First, birth control is mostly used to control when and with whom
one has children.  Demographic changes are, for the most part,
unintended side effects.  The modern person in the west who
decides not to have children from concerns with overpopulation is
an exception to the rule. 

Second, populations do *not* always increase.  To take an ancient
case, the Roman Empire suffered a population decline that lasted
for centuries.  (The "invading" Goths that we studied in school
took over largely abandoned lands, and were actually invited
across the Danube.)  The Romans were concerned about their own
population's decline, and passed a variety of laws to encourage
procreation, including laws against birth control and a bachelor
tax.  (Bachelors past a certain age were viewed as failing in 
their civic duty.)

In modern times, several of the western democracies, including
Germany and the U.S., would now be experiencing a population
decrease were it not for immigration.

Russell
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From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
Subject: Re: FDA still at large
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:33:31 GMT
	<1992Jul30.191314.6358@island.COM>
	<1992Jul31.051843.23946@klic.rain.com>
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Jul31.051843.23946@klic.rain.com> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:

   ....
   For some forms of cancer, chemotherapy is used when it has no effect on long
   term survival.  It just maintains the fiction that "something is being done".

In cancer treatment,  chemotherapy, radiation therapy and surgery 
are used for both curative reasons and for palliative reasons.  It
is not just a fiction about something being done.  This is not 
to say that it's always used correctly.

In palliative therapy,  the aim is not to cure the disease or extend
life,  but to reduce pain or improve function.

Usual disclaimer,  the above from a medical physics course I 
took a decade ago,  and a little learning when my mom was 
dying of cancer.




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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Daniel R. Field)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:39:51 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <15813@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>People seem to "sit" on light bulbs quite often, too.
>If they are going to, it is better if they sit on the
>rounded end, leaving the screw end toward the anus so
>you can extract it by threading it onto a cord.

Provided somebody doesn't get the bright idea of plugging it in!

Don't these people ever, uh, break the light bulb during this activity?
This seems potentially dangerous.

                                     -Dan Field
                                      dfield@nike.calpoly.edu