HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timpson@nntpd2.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:02:54 GMT


In article <mBoaoB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com>, aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System) writes...
>I was talking to my mom about some of the stuff I've been reading in this 
>group, and I mentioned Zeta Reticuli.  She said that she heard that star system 
>had a super nova quite recently, actually one of the larger ones.  Could some 

        WRONG!

        there have  been  no  known super  novas  in  our  galaxy in quit
        sonetime.  they  are  a  rare event and the most recent have been
        extra galactic.

        Steve Food_for_the_Grays
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Stealth Manuscript
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:34:33 GMT

Someone posted an article in the last few weeks (in alt.alien.visitors)
about a supposed politician whom had claimed to have been abducted.  No
names were given as to which politician this might be.  However last night
(23 July) I found the following article in TIME magazines July 27, 1992
issue.

        "Here Comes The Stealth Manuscript"
        
"Booksellers are grinding their teeth over several big Ross Perot books
that have been cancelled on the eve of publication.  BUT SOMETHING BIGGER
MAY BE COMING SOON (my emphasis).  Putnam is preparing to ship more than
100,000 copies of a supersecret book in late August.  The publisher is
keeping both the subject and the author completely confidential.  According
to buyers for the major chains, Putnam executives have been whispering that
it is a biography of a major Washington official that contains information
so explosive it could cause his or her resignation.  This has prompted a
guessing game within the industry, but Putnam executives say only
'No Comment.'"

Anticipation will antagonize me until late August!  I certainly hope that
this will not turn out to be hoax.

                                                Joseph A. Citro III
                                                jcitro3@odin.unomaha.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: STRONG WORD OF CAUTION!
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:56:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally from ParaNet(sm) Information Service
 * Originally dated 07-26-92 23:56

Over the last few days we have been posting information supplied by the Phoenix
Project of Carson City, Nevada.  This information has been strongly disclaimed 
by ParaNet pending the results of our investigation to determine the validity 
of the Phoenix Project and its officers.

While the investigation is still ongoing, we have found some highly disturbing 
things relating to credibility of the group.  This information will be reported 
as soon as the investigation is completed.  This should be in the next few 
days.

Until this investigation is complete and the findings published, ParaNet wishes 
to urge everyone not to send any money to the group.

Michael Corbin
Director

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Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:4782 alt.sci.physics.new-theories:1941
From: mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:31:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Cyberdyne Systems

In article <aero.711820272@titan> aero@titan.ecn.uoknor.edu (Aero Student Account) writes:
>it seems you think you accept relativity.  But the second part shows that you
>have a faulty understanding of it.  NOTE: RELATIVITY PROHIBITS TRAVEL AT
>C OR ABOVE!!!!  PERIOD.  Furthermore, relativity prohibits the transmission
>of any information by any means at speeds faster than light.

Idle speculation from someone whose ignorance 
of physics is massive (pun intended):

Does the influence of gravity act instantaneously?  Suppose you had
a mass detector of some sort, and you were detecting mass X at
a distance of say, 1 LY.  If that mass were moved suddenly, wouldn't
your mass detector note the movement instantly?  What glaring blunder
have I committed?

Bonus Round related question:

Do two masses always interact gravitationally, regardless of the
distance between them?  I mean "at all", not "negligible".  

I know, there are more appropriate forums for this stuff, but hey,
I'm not going to parade my ignorance in front of the _smart_guys_.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tjh@agni.world.std.com (Tim Hall)
Subject: Re: Stealth Manuscript
Organization: Software Tool & Die
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:50:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.083433.12878@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
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   From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
   Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server)
   Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
   Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:34:33 GMT
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	.
	.
	.
   MAY BE COMING SOON (my emphasis).  Putnam is preparing to ship more than
   100,000 copies of a supersecret book in late August.  The publisher is
   keeping both the subject and the author completely confidential.  According
   to buyers for the major chains, Putnam executives have been whispering that
   it is a biography of a major Washington official that contains information
   so explosive it could cause his or her resignation.  This has prompted a
   guessing game within the industry, but Putnam executives say only
   'No Comment.'"

						   Joseph A. Citro III
						   jcitro3@odin.unomaha.edu

The Boston Globe reported that a scathing book on Ted Kennedy is supposed
to come out soon.  It is written by a former (disgruntled?) aide and is 
supposed to contain lots of dirt.  Sounds like what you mention above.
--

-Tim

I'm not trying to kill myself.  I just don't want to feel.
(unknown)

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: astral travel
Followup-To: alt.oobe
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193835.3751@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
|> John, many of us here are interested in the relationship between
|> astral travel (out of body experiences) and near death experiences.
|> 
|> When you are traveling in the astral plane (assuming that such
|> travel is not possible in the physical plane), is this accomplished
|> via an astral "body" or is this a purely non-physical experience.
|> 
|> What is your opinion of near death experiences?  Are such events
|> merely the first occurrence (for most people) of the astral body 
|> leaving the physical body?
|> 
|> Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe


Could you please take this discussion to email or a more appropriate
newsgroup? (alt.oobe, alt.paranormal, talk.religion.newage, etc...)

Thanks,

Leonard.


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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Kill file
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:24:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul29.080259.10115@fulcrum.oz.au> steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor) writes:
>In <62899@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Dear Kevin: 
>>I believe that if you use the commands subscribe and unsubscribe it 
>>will give you what you want.
>
>Then again, you could reply to personal mail by using the 'r' key instead of
>the 'f' key.

Portal does not offer rn, trn, nn, or any regular news reader. Their system
is unique. From portal one could enter 'mail send', and reply to the
poster, but there is no direct way to import the text of the original post.
 
>>John Winston.
>
>
>							Steve

Rich

payner@netcom.com


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa )
Subject: Re: Erich Von Daniken
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:46:53 GMT

mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
: Hi,
: 
: 	melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa )
: 	I was just wondering if anyone out there took seriously
: 	the theories and claims of famed author and traveler Erich Von
: 	Daniken.
: 
: ... you may want to look for Clifford Wilson's books "Crash go the
: Chariots" and "The Chariots still Crash", for further information on
: EVD's evidence for his thesis.  The sum of the matter is that EVD's
: supporting "evidence" is not what he says it is.  Here's the
: publication information from the Rutgers library catalog:
: 
: 
:    AUTHOR Wilson, Clifford A
:     TITLE Crash go the chariots / Clifford Wilson.
:   EDITION Rev. and enl.
: PUBLISHER San Diego, Calif. : Master Books, 1976.
: 
: 
:    AUTHOR Wilson, Clifford A.
:     TITLE The chariots still crash / Clifford Wilson.
: PUBLISHER New York : New American Library, [1976] c1975.
: 
: 
: ... Read those for a another viewpoint on things.  I always had
: problems with some of EVD's evidence; saying that the Pyramids were
: unbuildable without help ignores the amazing engineering genius that
: humans (even ancient humans) posses.  Its an interesting thesis, of
: course, but in my opinion EVD's evidence should not be taken at face
: value.  (Don't forget the "Gold of the Gods" fiasco.)
: 
: Charles

(Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa.)

Hi, this is Mike again. 
	I am familiar with the fact that "Gold of the Gods" was supposedly
written while he was in a jail cell, but I don't recall any real "fiasco".
	Was this in reference to the so-called depictions of man and
dinosaur living at the same time? I do remember a Walter Cronkite special
about Von Daniken, where the main theme of the program was the journalist
going out and finding natives of the region who claimed to have actually
carved those representations onto the stones.
	Or was the "fiasco" about the "miles of tunnels" which Mr. Moricz
discovered and kept such a secret? I did find it strange that, if these
tunnels did exist, why wasn't there more archeological work done to bring
these facts to the public eye?                    
	The book was originally published in 1972, I believe, but I have
never heard again of Juan Moricz and his "Tunnels of Gold".
	
							Michael Whittington
							mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu

: Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: Re: astral travel
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:38:21 GMT

In <1992Jul22.231809.1936@mprgate.mpr.ca> spani@mprgate.mpr.ca 
   (Leonard Spani) writes: > 
In article <1992Jul22.193835.3751@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEFS1.acd.com 
   (Bill Overpeck) writes: |>

|> John, many of us here are interested in the relationship between
|> astral travel (out of body experiences) and near death experiences.
|> 
|> When you are traveling in the astral plane (assuming that such
|> travel is not possible in the physical plane), is this accomplished
|> via an astral "body" or is this a purely non-physical experience.
|> 
|> What is your opinion of near death experiences?  Are such events
|> merely the first occurrence (for most people) of the astral body 
|> leaving the physical body?
|> 
|> Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe

>Could you please take this discussion to email or a more appropriate
>newsgroup? (alt.oobe, alt.paranormal, talk.religion.newage, etc...)

We don't get alt.oobe at our site, Leonard, but we'll go to alt.para-
normal (despite the well known fact that most abductions are accomplished
on the astral plane).

Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:39:15 -0400 
From: Chris_Hendy@transarc.com
Subject: Re: John_Winston poll


 OK - I was content to just be a lurker and chuckle with the rest of you --
 but John Winston writes -

 > Dear People: I have been reading your posting and will thinks about them.

 This after many impassioned pleas to refrain from upchucking on the net.

 I suggest sending bogus replies to fictitious people directly to him -
 something along the lines of:

 Dear Astraldoggy,

 Woke up last night and took an awe-inspiring dump.  I strained so much I
 saw God cavorting with the Greys.  Nirvana was short-lived however, when
 I realized I was fresh out of toilet paper.  Fortunately, I've learned
 many tricks from Rover and promptly butt-slid across the carpet.  Rover
 was pissed because he knew he was going to get the blame ...

 (you get the idea)

 Maybe after he's slogged through several dozen pointless posts, he'll see
 the wisdom of changing his ways.

 Chris

 Disclaimer: My company prefers Greys on toast with Hollandaise sauce

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:43:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul22.231809.1936@mprgate.mpr.ca>

Dear Len. If you would learn to use these gifts such as telepathy
astral projection and a few others then no one would be able to lie
to you.  Everyone would be an open book for you to read.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Missing & Mutilated Humans
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:31:49 GMT

In article <l69onjINN8ke@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland) writes:
> The author sought out Dr. Ajaja after his talk to confirm and amplify his
> claim. When asked how many humans were found mutilated, he said three, two
> in Russia and one in Chile.

	Russia and Chile?

	I don't think an extraterrestrial explanation is needed
here...

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                              "I just can NOT handle weirdness..." - Boy George
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: aero@neptune.ecn.uoknor.edu (Aero Student Account)
Subject: Re: ***Good_Luck_for_Your_Astral_Convey***
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:35:50 GMT

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Dear John H.
>Haven't any time but will comment on this later.
>John Winston.

Would someone please teach Mr. Winston about the subtleties and
nuances which distinguish "followup" from "reply?"

--------
Jonathan A. Bishop
aero@neptune.ecn.uoknor.edu

"Yippee!  That may have been a small one for Neil,
 but it was a big one for me."
                            --Pete Conrad
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:19:47 GMT

cary@carina.unm.edu  writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.031232.10196@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) writes:
> >I do not claim to be a physicist or even a hobbiest of quantum mechanics, but
> >if the first object was indeed ice that moved due to the shuttle's engines
> >(or whatever) then why did the first object that clearly seems to be 
> >furtherter
> >away move first? Would not the initial force applied by the shuttle act on
> >the nearer object first (supposed fired shot)?  Accordingly, the UFO would not
> >have moved until the shot (or ice) arrived. Any explanations?
> >
> >                                        Joseph A. Citro III
> >                                        
> How can you say that any of the objects is clearly further away than any
> of the others?  There aren't a lot of visual clues in the video that allow
> you to determine the distances of the ice flecks.
> 
> Ithlial
> 
> 
> My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
> 
> To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
> and the dancers hit eachother.

There is a problem determining depth and distance with the type of camera
used to tape the possible UFO event by the shuttle.  However, it is not
impossible to do so.  The camera used operates very similar to night
vision devices used in the military.  I have had extensive use of this 
type of equipment. Particularly, what are called PV-S5 night vision goggles,
and the PV-S2 starlight scope.  If it were impossible to determine depth
and distance with these devices it would not be possible to use them for
hitting enemy targets.  Yes, it is my opinion that the object that moved 
first was further away.  But, my opinon is based on experience with
similar equipment.

                                        Joseph A. Citro III
From: warlock@spuddy.uucp (Sean Eaton)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: RFD: Split, rename alt.alien.visitors
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:33:52 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

If a.a.v. is split up, all that will happen is that many
articles will get cross-posted to every group in the
alien sub-heirachy.  This will be especailly true for
talk.religion.newage posters who add a.a.v onto the end
of the Newsgroups: line almost by default, it seems; and
for those who insist on posting replies to private e-mail
to the net instead of mailing the user directly.
I'll wager these "off subject" and private messages
will be posted to all groups.
Think about it:  five identical copies of a message starting
"Dear Fred:" ?  I think you get my drift ...
No; a.a.v. should stay as it is for the moment.

-Sean.
asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk | warlock%spuddy@uknet.ac.uk
      -Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatus nunc-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: A question for John_-_Winston
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:29:01 GMT

In article <62918@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Hassan B. Multu  ...
  .
  .
  .
>not too many years ago. I can say without a hesitation that I'm not
>him.
>John Winston.

Yea, we know. Some people have actually gotten e-mail from multu.

-- john

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cary@lacerta.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:47:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: Get a clue numb----. 

In article <1992Jul27.171026.13467@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>
>The choices are:

yes [X] John,please refrain from posting what should be email responses to
this newsgroup.

>no [ ] John, continue with your irratating ways. We love to read all of
>your responses to questions & flames that we have never seen.
> 
>the old moronic no opinion [ ] What a stupid idea in the first place,who
>cares about someone with no opinion.
>
Ithlial



JOHN!

USE YOUR GODDAM

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From: kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: alt.alien.visitors crossposts
Summary: default crossposters 
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:58:55 GMT
Keywords: new.age

I have yet another question:

Why is it these new.age people INSIST on crossposting by default with
alt.alien.visitors?  I don't see the connection between the silly
hindu-buddhist-guru mix and the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, and I
refuse to believe any of the garbage our friend JW keeps posting about
"prime directives" and "space councils" and the like.

Just a question from someone tired of tabloid-minded people...
 


-- 
Kevin Fisher      UUCP:kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca
Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"

	"Come on and dim the lights;  Switch on the strobe:
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Roswell information; and how to get more
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:18:59 GMT
Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK

In article <62320@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Steve:
> It's good to hear that Stanton Friedman's book Crash at Corona is out.
> I once mentioned to Stan that I didn't believe exactly like he did and 
> he would probubly call me and my friends a bunch of kooks. He mentioned
> that he had work with some pretty weird people before.  Anyway he 
> sticks with what he is doing and came out with the book.
> John Winston.

No you have it wrong John, Stan would not call you a kook, he prefers
to call people who are not true believers as 'noisy negativists'. :) :)

I think that having a second team in the form of Kevin Randle and Don Schmit
actively investigating the Roswell case is a good thing. They challenge
a number of statements Stan makes and he returns the compliment. At times
it looks as if World War Three is going on between them, but I guess it
makes them all check what they say.

Steve.

-- 
(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)  
Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome  
Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
Phone: +44 81 869 3293  JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:50:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <l5wlw3-.payner@netcom.com> <61259@cup.portal.com>

----Star Command, I am a commanber that deals with holographic healing.
I deal with holographic symbols and I have spent a great deal of time
in studying the akashic records, but as for as being involved with the
research side of the Star Command I personally have not spent that much
time in there.
   Now in meeting this week with beings who were particularly involved 
with the research side, certain things came to light. First and foremost
is that the research that is being done in Great Britain, you'll find over
500 diferent types of symbols {alright?}. Some are larger some
are smaller. Some of them are connected, almost like, {being} described
as barbell type of connection, you have a circle {on either} end and
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