HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:36:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.131716.4615@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
|> What about @sweep?  I mean, in the MU*s I play (TIM, Trek, BTech) anyone can 
|> @sweep any room for listening objects, dark or not.  Of course, these are MUSEs
|> and MUSHes, not MUCKs (what do they all stand for anyway?), but I see no real 
|> reason a @sweep command couldn't be added to NewDay.  I always @sweep rooms 
|> before engaging in any delicate conversations/actions.  But then, I'm a 
|> paranoid Romulan....

Yeah well on a MUCK you can write an @sweep intercept which would override the
global and make the person think that there is no bug in his/her room.

|>      Dave Van Domelen, Jhollan'trruh all

Francis
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:15:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Oct15.061550.16545
Distribution: usa
Organization: Real/Time Communications

pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle) writes:
>rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
>
>>Posting logs is not even close to 'illegal'.  It's immoral, perhaps, but there
>>are no laws involving muds.
>
>You (and others) seem to have missed the key issue. It isn't the
>logger who posted these logs, so his logging of these episodes isn't
>in question. Someone else illicitly took these logs from the loggers
>account and posted them. That is what is quite probably illegal. It

Again, posting logs is not even close to illegal.  What you are
describing is the theft of the logs, which is illegal.

>--
>
>Paul Fritschle                                         pfritsch@skid.PS.UCI.EDU
>                             Cthulhu '92
>                        'The Stars are Right!'


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From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.Bw8Dtq.GsG
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?

In <1992Oct16.174051.19051@netcom.com> sterling@netcom.com (Bruce Sterling Woodcock) writes:

>Is this the sort of hypocritic fascism that runs rampant on Space Madness?
>No, don't answer.  I don't want to know.

>Bruce

Nothing hypocritical about my fascism, pinhead.

One stupid post, one line.  So it goes until the subject ides.

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Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: Net.Death-threats
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Keywords: violence, death-threats, tinylogs, immaturity
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:20:48 GMT

takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon) writes:

>>Maybe i just don't understand why the intellectual/technological elite of the
>>world have to use (obviously vacuous) threats of violence to show people that
>>they're REALLY REALLY mad instead of just really mad.
>
>Maybe it's because when someone severely f*cks over someone I consider a
>friend to the extent that this nameless twink did, I *do* feel like
>wandering out to find the guy and pummeling him for a while.  I've been
>accused of being, I believe the exact phrasing was "intensely loyal to
>his friends", and although this may color my reaction, I don't believe
>I'm alone, either.

Oh, bravo.  Before everyone starts whipping out their loyalty-dick-sizes
and making more dumb threats of violence, please note that this newsgroup
is read by over 20,000 human beings, and that vigilantism results in some
real nice jail terms for the vigilante, moral superiority and empty
bravado aside.

>And don't be so sure they're vacuous, either.  We don't know where the
>guy is.  Yet.

Oh, *very* nice.  Now that you've told 20,000 people that you and others
intend to do someone violent harm, and moreover that such a threat is not
necessarily vacuous, do you want to turn yourself in to your local police
office for making threatening statements over telephone wires or are you
going to have one of us do it?

>>ah, well... i have a long history of expecting too much from the
>net.population
>
>*smirk*  I imagine you're rarely disappointed.

Believe me, when swaggering-macho-freshmen from Dartmouth start writing
posts about how they're going to hurt someone in real life for putting
some words on a screen, the bottom of the net has been hit.
>
>	-- dt
>
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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Subject: Re: ACK!!!!!
Keywords: Recent tinysex logs (et al)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:47:36 GMT

In <1992Oct14.003747.17414@netcom.com> silver@netcom.com (Silver Singer) writes:

>The recent tinysex logs are (with some exceptions) mine, and were taken
>and reprinted ENTIRELY without permission...

>I am NOT pleased, and I agree that whomever did this (they broke into
>the netcom guest account to post them, and MY account, to get the
>files) should lose their access...

>I would ask anyone who happens to be reading this first before the logs to 
>kindly NOT read them, some of the material I promised the other participant(s)
>I would never let it get beyond my personal account.

We know it was not you intention, however, it is best that ALL Netters who keep logs should DOWNLOAD their logs as soon as possible!  If this can happen on Netcom through a few mistakes, more than likely, it can happen to other machines.  Make sure your directory is chmod 6700 so that only YOU can read it.  Also, do not leave your logs on your account...  Because there is a chance a jerk like the one who managed to snag all those logs might be able to guess your password by accident.

>Actually, if anyone who has the capability of cancelling the posts worldwide
>is reading this, I (and several other people whose files these are, I'm sure)
>would appreciate their removal.

>Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....some people are such scum.

The person who did all that post is scum...  Unfortunately, we catch these things way too late. *sigh*

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From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: threadway
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:46:32 GMT

In <1992Oct12.151703.3832@arizona.edu> MARLEY@hacks.arizona.edu (Marley Treadwell) writes:

>I feel sorry for the wizards that seem to think because they log something it
>is ok for them to print it in news.
>Threadway will not do that to you . It has happened recently by accident and
>will not happen again. Logging of what is going on is fine but to print it
>without the persons knowledge is tacky.


What wizards ARE you referring to, anyway?

Seems I always see players doing this, instead.

-- 
---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
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From: cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood)
Subject: Re: Tinylog posting
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:42:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.173442.29915@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Well, that was one of the ruder ways to spam a newsreader.  Obviously it was 
>put on for some kind of agenda to make someone look bad (else all the tinysex 
>would have been omitted and the poster would have *used his/her own account* 
>instead of using a guest acct).  If the person was really trying to be helpful 
>and show how people MU*, they would have A: used their own acct as mentioned 
>parenthetically, and B: given all the logs a common header so we could killfile
>them.  Personally, I think the tinybastard should have his site cut off.
>     Dave Van Domelen, righteously cheesed

I have complaints of my own about this. :X)  Some of those logs came from
my account without my permission, heck, even the names are identical to my
filenames.  So, I've asked the root personal to help me track this person
down (Thanks for leaving the time of the post buddy. :X) )  Since you
probably use netcom for your normal use (how you got my files), shouldn't
be too much trouble to cause you enormous headaches. :X)  I'm going to
enjoy this.

Jeff Wood
cinnibar@netcom.com

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From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: Tiny logs ...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:32:53 GMT

I, for one, find these recently-posted logs quite fascinating.
Not for the tinysex or because I know any of the characters involved,
but just to see how other people mud...   There ought to be 
a lot more posting of this sort of thing to rec.games.mud.tiny.

Phew, there sure are some far out people around.

Martin
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From: jgm@ais.org (jim miller)
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? :)
Organization: Ann Arbor Information Society -- West Lafayette Annex
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:34:51 GMT


claire@wixer.cactus.org (Claire Benedikt) writes:
[Summary:  it's Claire's turn to be apologist for Space Madness players,
           which involves smurfy scenes from a Day in the Life of SM]


> The fact is, on SpaceMadness we all know that we're going to be the butt
> of our neighbor's joke at any moment, so we're just immune to what most
> feel is an 'invasion of privacy' (e.g. "Grod can't just go taking people's
> words and twisting them!  It's not right, it's unfair!") or to what most 
> people react to with offense (e.g.  "I did nothing to those people, I do
> not in any way deserve to be the butt of a stranger's joke!") Etc.
>
> But again, I think we as FurryMUCKers can just say "I don't think you're
> funny" and leave it at that.  I don't think much harm has ever really come
> from a Jewish joke or an Aggie joke (in this case a 'Furry' joke).  The few
> people who are offended by jokes like 'Why do Jews have big noses? Because
> air is free! Ahahahah!' in fact, are usually viewed, at the very least, as
> prudish and closed-minded.

So basically what you're saying is that everyone should make allowance
for SM players using player X as today's target for degradation because
a.) they have lost the ability to accord fellow humans basic respect
as a result of this long, self-imposed process of Pavlovian desensitizing
to pain and humiliation, and can therefore no longer be held responsible
for their actions; and b.) the rest of netkind is out of place in feeling
offended or used by these intrusions because we should have learned by
now to embrace them as a fact of life, it happens all the time after all,
etc.

a.) is very interesting and deserves further study.  I propose a multi-
lateral team of sociologists and other experts descend upon Space Madness
for a period of one month, to observe, collect urine samples, and draw
character profiles (lightly furred).

b.) is pretty much predictable by now.

-enzie

-- 
"On a makeshift outboard canoe, Debbie sailed to New York, where she was soon
adopted by a nice upper-middle class Protestant family, who introduced her to
record producer Fred Zarr-- and the rest was history." -lafolle@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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From: mmead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matt Mead)
Subject: Re: Recent Tinymud Postings
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:58:06 GMT

cbuffum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia A Buffum) writes:


>	Okay, first of all I post very rarely, so you know that I'm really
>upset over what is going on right now. First of all to the coward who st
rted
>all of this in the first place your parents raised a real bastard. I don
t
>know what the hell kind of private little world you live in, but in the 
ne I
>do, which I believe is the same as everyone else, what you did is a Felo
y,
>very punishable by law. I'm in full agreement with the other 50+ people 
ho
>you've just pissed off, and I think that when we *DO* find you, you will
pay
>you bastard.

>	I hope you burn in your own personal hell for all of eternity for what
>you did. The pain you caused to several of my good friends in these logs
will
>never be forgiven. I could threaten your life, I could make idle threats
 but
>I won't. I won't sink to your childish level and ruin others lives like 
ou
>did mine and several others.

>	You hurt my friends, and the friends of others, by stealing that
>information. I hope the hell you die screaming in agony. 
>	

>	Cyndi

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>Cynthia Buffum		cbuffum@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Andrea in my other life		buffum.1@osu.edu
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=    Well, in reference to the above, I'd just like to say that I think
tinylog posting is pretty rude.  But anyway, this is why people use
aliases instead of their real names.  Also, and I'm not taking the
poster's side, you can show a third party a written communique if *one* of
the parties involved gives consent.  If tinyspying was involved, then it
is illegal.  And only the logs which were ripped from someone's directory
and those which were obtained without the consent of at least one player
are illegal.

just my $.02


Matt
From: jgm@ais.org (jim miller)
Subject: Re: NewDay
Organization: Ann Arbor Information Society -- West Lafayette Annex
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:08:18 GMT


fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:

>In article <9210072342.AA02060@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
>>      2) NewDay is home to the Center for enzie Research.  enzie is an
>>            alternate form of life which derives energy from idling, and we
>>            are studying him.
>No, he gets his energy elsewhere. You haven't "studied" him well enough.

After idling, absorbing blues-inspired rock 'n' roll through porous skin
cells, and pulling astounding hooks out of seemingly *impossible* racks
(the effect multiplied when against a certain Pennsylvanian), my next source
of energy is my direct tap into the primal anger stored in spineless Usenet
articles.
The process whereby I transfer and metabolize the idling energy is still
largely unknown, however, and I've given the lime full research rights.

-enzie

-- 
"On a makeshift outboard canoe, Debbie sailed to New York, where she was soon
adopted by a nice upper-middle class Protestant family, who introduced her to
record producer Fred Zarr-- and the rest was history." -lafolle@ucscb.ucsc.edu
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: threadway
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:41:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: Aggies are students at Texas A&M

russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop) writes:
>MARLEY@hacks.arizona.edu (Marley Treadwell) writes:

>>I feel sorry for the wizards that seem to think because they log something it
>>is ok for them to print it in news.
>>Threadway will not do that to you . It has happened recently by accident and
>>will not happen again. Logging of what is going on is fine but to print it
>>without the persons knowledge is tacky.

>What wizards ARE you referring to, anyway?
>
>Seems I always see players doing this, instead.

I think the notice afforded to wizards on this count is due to their
large amount of natural power.  Players have to be kinda sneaky to get
really nice logs (some of which were just posted), but wizards can just
be Dicks By Nature and use the code itself to violate people's suspected,
believed, or dreamed-of rights.  It's the style of Bad Wizards like Dave
from QuartzParadise (and not Howard, I was in error on this point before)
which causes the most visibility and steam -- telling the player that she
has rights, then using the code to go back on one's word.

>-- 
>---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
>Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
>  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
>What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
                                          ^--- very nice.

Felix
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Recent Tinymud Postings
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:25:43 GMT

In article <Bw4FGL.DzI@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>
>Cynthia A Buffum <cbuffum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> offers:
>
>>your parents raised a real bastard. ... when we *DO* find you, you will
>>pay you bastard. ... I hope you burn in your own personal hell for all of
>>eternity for what you did. ... I hope the hell you die screaming in agony. 
>
>>	Cyndi
>
>
>How would you like to have her as a neighbor, folks?

Better than having you in the same city.

Francis
From: downsj@mailhost.cs.pdx.edu (jason downs)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: A New MUSH Opening Soon
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:35:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


A new, *non-roleplaying*, MUSH will be opening very soon, to replace the
current ThreadWay. Since the database is being built up from scratch,
this is an excellent chance for good MUSH2.0 builders/programmers/hacks
to get in at the ground floor. If you`re good, and you want to put
your talents to good use, reply to this post via e-mail, and I`ll get
you started.

The server is a MUSH 2.0.8p1, with local bug fixes and clean-ups.
Replies to <downsj@cs.pdx.edu>, please.

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From: mmead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matt Mead)
Subject: EarthSea
Summary: MUCK based on EarthSea theme?
Keywords: Leguin MUCK EarthSea
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:33:25 GMT


    Anyone know of a MUCK or whatever that is based on the them of
EarthSea from Ursula K. Leguin's EarthSea trilogy?  Someone on the net
mentioned one to me in the recent past, but I can't remember who or where
they said it was.....adthanksvance



Matt

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:55:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.013629.7149@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>Yeah well on a MUCK you can write an @sweep intercept which would override the
>global and make the person think that there is no bug in his/her room.

In which case you can advertise the @sweep program number and let people make a
personal link to it...  with any name they wish.  No way to intercept.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: ronni@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Taisia)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tinylog postings et al
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:22:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.ronni.719097738
Organization: University of Washington

This is Taisia, one of the people who happened to show up
in two or more of the logs that were stolen off of someone's
account.  First of all, I spent most of last night comforting
three close friends who ended up having their real life splattered
all over the network.  This did NOT make my day.  Nor did it make
my week for that matter.
Secondly To John H. Yates:
>No one should be able to leave their car without locking it either.<
>Let's make it a law. Hey it happens. This is the real world.<
 
Let me correct you on your misguided comparassion.
First of all, this is private stuff that people keep.  It's like
your own private US Mail Postal box, which most of you folks
have either seen or know of.  They don't have locks on a lot
of them.  Folks do sens interesting stuff through the mail system.  For
someone to come along, grab what they can out of the boxes, and do
ANYTHING with them IS ILLEGAL.
Granted, some of the folks ended up with stuff stolen because they
were not power end users or even working unix people.  I don't
care on bit for this kind of childish, immature behavior.  It takes
a true coward to do something this low, then to hide their actions, posting
under guest account.
I don't have very little hide, but I DO like my privacy.

To the person who got their jollies off this act:
I hope you find yourself a GOOD pyschologist or pyschiatrist.  You
have a serious lack of respect for people.
 
I am glad that there are folks out here who understand that this is
wrong...was wrong and is not excusable.
 
But I do think that Mr. Yates deserves a round of applause for his
attempt to correct someone else's actions.  <CLAP CLAP CLAP> <I mea
it too>  

Now....on the subject of logging:
Some of those logs were made without the permission of the other
people.  THIS I find offensive too.  To me it's like taping
conversations of a person on the phone.  Why someone would
log conversations without informing the other person, I can
only guess their motives.
So: Without further bull, DON'T LOG unless you ask, And make sure
your stuff is secure.
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