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Subject: Re: Preferential treatment
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:00:00 GMT
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On 6 November, Jennifer writes:

>You don't make the world a more tolerant place by validating the
>acts of discrimination.  To use your initials is to hide your
>gender which tells the world that you accept their right to deny
>you certain priviledges on the basis of your gonads.  It also says
>that when rules which have organized society for eons are
>uncomfortable for you, you simply get around them... I can't blame
>you but it does compromise your integrity.

Jennifer,

        I appreciate the sentiment you express.  However, I choose
different hills to die on.  We all have our own approach--mine is to
get to be where the boys are, and then, kick some butt--errr, I
mean, make some changes!  In the meantime, within my own personal
limits, I'll do damn near anything to get there.
        --Kathy Morgan
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From:         jlbugg@UCCS.EDU
Subject:      Re: All the Preferental Tx Talk...

A publication with 1500 authors?  Heck of an "et. al" isn't it?  I'm in.

So is there anything in here that could be operationalized to rats and
hormones?

Jennifer
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Dave Stotz writes...

>Tor,
>
>     Someone once said. . .
>
>          "There are two kinds of people in this world; those who divide
>           everyone in the world into two kinds, and those who don't."
>
>     . . . but I can't remember who it was.

The way I heard it was, "There are two types of people; those who believe in
dichotomies and those who don't."  But perhaps that's a hypostatization.

Don
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From:         TBN@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      Men's clubs

JCSP@KSUVM.Bitnet writes:

>=== Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:16:00 CST
>=== From:         JCSP@KSUVM.BITNET
>=== Subject:      preferential treatment
>
>Before I get sent away to a "camp" to reprogram my thinking (no, thank
>you very much), I think we need to consider past situations and the
>larger picture. Once upon a time... "deals" were made by the powerful in
>groups which had specific membership rules (has it been so long that
>we've forgotten men's clubs?).

Actually, when you think about it, we still have some. For example, there's
this place called the Bohemian Grove in Northern California where the rich
fat cats gather to hobnob and party heavily. One has to wonder, however,
how many "policy decisions" get made there amidst the partying--and this is
an exclusively male club, too, except for the rumored hookers who are
alleged to be shuttled in to contribute to the "revelry". Not surprisingly,
this place routinely draws protests and pickets from a variety of left-wing
groups.

cheers,

Tor
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From:         CASE ELIZABETH <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>
Subject:      sexism in media

I'm doing a paper on images of women in the media, advertisements, etc.,
especially body images.  It's harder than I thought to find references!
Does anyone out there know of any good ones?

Thanks in advance,

Elizabeth Case
psygrddec@orion.depaul.eduu
(oops, take off that last "u")
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Subject: Clark Debate
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The Clark debate is a statistical question (analysis). Should
words (used in experiments) be treated as fixed or random
variables.  Considering the amount that words are used, this
question has fairly far reaching ramifications.

see:
Clark, H.H. (1973).  The language-as-a-fixed-effect fallacy.
    A critique of language statistics in psychological research.
    Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behavior, 12, 335-359.

Clark, H.H. (1976). A reply to Wike and Church.  Journal of
    Verbal Learning and Verbal Behavior, 15, 257-261.

Wike, E.L., & Church, J.D.  (1976).  Comments on Clark's "The
    language-as-a-fixed-effect fallacy.".  Verbal Learning and Verbal
    Behavior, 15, 249-255.


These are just a few of the papers about the whole topic.
Clark's reply to Wike and Church has small replys from the likes
of Cohen, Keith Smith, and Keppel discussing the issue.

Hope this helps...

Jesse
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

Kathy, Re affirmative action and recruitment:
Thanks! We are finally talking about the same thing. If the
pool of qualified applicants from a group is low, don't lower the
standards: find out why the pool is small.  You just pointed out that
providing information to potential applicants is a way of fixing that
problem, and without the years and years that some, very upset, people
are afraid it would take.  Now, if we could only convince those people who
find nothing wrong with discriminating in the cause of increasing resources
for their own group ...
Tim
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

>EXACTLY!  And it is after you've been let into the gate (a bit like
>the Trojan horse) that you can let your hair down, use your name,
>and let the good old boys know that the game is going to change.

  Why not just kill the Oppressor Scum?

Tim
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Subject: Re: Help! Low frequency words
              "GALLOGLY@CWU.BI

Don,

I'm afraid that to the best of my knowledge, Kucera & Francis
(1967) is still the word list in current use, and it sounds like
your friend already has it.

I think it will remain the standard for a while yet, because I
don't know of very many people who might be willing to go
through the work of updating it.  It is still being used in many
of the latest experiments.

More worrisome than the low frequency words is how the words will
be treated.  Are they a fixed variable or a random variable??
(The old Clarke debate)

Jesse
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:48:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

On 7 November, Nangel writes:

>Frankly, it makes me realize that not much in the selection process
>for academic positions has changed.  Those in power still become
>suddenly (and not coincidentally) gender/color-blind after years of
>gender/color hyperacuity!

Nangel,

        Let's you and I and others who so wish make a pact with one
another not to let this happen!  I'll be sure to remind you about
the long road to the top, and please, be sure to remind me!

        One who's for fighting the power from within the walls--

        K. MORGAN (alias Kathy Morgan)
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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Subject: Re: Preferential treatment
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Margaret,  no doubt you are correct.  No matter how perfect we may strive
to be, there are just some men (or women) who won't find it satisfactory.
I was in a bar last night where an incredibly elegant woman with Ivana
Trump hair, a sleek figure (complete with $3000 breasts), and a sexy little
red dress stood mingling (sp).  There is no doubt in my mind that her "look"
was for the benefit of men's attraction (or the thrill of competition with
other women for men's attraction).  When she left the bar, this old fart
(notice I did not use the term "boy") yelled out "try to keep your legs
closed tonight."  (Part of this story has a point, part of it is just
venting.)  Point being that the whole primping thing was for his benefit.
And that's how it gets rewarded?

If our attempts (no matter how misdirected) to please men are for the purpose
of gaining their acceptance and validation, we will never win.  When I
suggested that we don't use our initials, I never made the assumption
that this meant the eyes of the world would be opened at the sight of our
glorious academic pursuits.  Call me a cynic.  But just because there are
a few ignorant persons out there who poo-poo certain publications on the
basis of the first name of the author(s), doesn't mean that I have to CARE
about what these persons think.

And remember, men are free to use their first name without fear of
discrimination (I think).  So next time you see an A.J. Smith - what are
you going to assume?

Some suggestions...

How about the APA adopting a guideline that requires all publications to
be submitted under initials only - for ALL authors?

How about being comfortable with not living in an equal society, but
learning to be comfortable with the idea that we are the first of our
kind - that we are the foremothers of an equal society.  I'm proud
of my accomplishments - and the fact that occasionaly those accomplishments
were made in the face of difficulty (of various kinds).

How about Terri, Taylor, Morgan, Danni?  (Homogeneity argument inferred.)

Any others?
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Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

>I really wish that this discussion could go on without the
>use of words such as *good old boys*, which I think is an
>insult to those men who are genuinely seeking to engage in
>dialogue and to understand.

>I think I understand the reason for using the phrase, but am
>unconvinced that using language in that way is the best way
>to encourage dialogue.

        You're right, Mike.  Unfortunately, due to one thing
or another, many of the women responding to this discussion
on the list are feeling a tad on the defensive.
        --Kathy Morgan
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From:         "(Margaret Joppa)" <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: No, no! Don't do it Jesse!

I think it would be great if men ran around in loincloths beating drums!
And I think we all need to hug a tree now and then.
M. Joppa
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Subject: BATTERING
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:38:00 GMT
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Date sent:  9-NOV-1992 19:34:09
I THINK THAT THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BATTERING A WOMAN.  NO MAN SHOULD EVER
HIT A WOMAN UNLESS HE IS IN DANGER OF HIS LIFE.  THE ASSUMPTION THAT A MAN
BATTERS HIS WOMAN BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO FEEL POWER AND CONTROL IS TOTALLY
UNACCEPTABLE.  THIS PERSON SHOULD SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP AND LEARN TO
CONTROL HIS TEMPER AND REALIZE THAT WOMEN ARE EQUAL TO MEN.  THERE SHOULD
BE NO DOMINATING ROLES.
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From:         "(Margaret Joppa)" <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

I don't know a whole lot about the hippocampus, except that it is
implicated in learning and memory, feeding, and possibly part of the
"stress axis" (hypothalamus, pituitary, and adrenal gland I think).
Temperament and attachment are likely part of the limbic system, but
isolating them to the hippocampus is near impossible.  If by temperament
you mean aggressiveness, you may want to check out the amygdala.
A good place to start would be a book by F.E. Bloom and A. Lazerson,
Brain, Mind, and Behavior (Freeman Press).  An excellent text is
Fundamentals of Human Neuropsychology (2nd ed.) by B. Kolb and I.Q.
Whishaw.  If you have a decent library, they should have it.
Margaret
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Because there's far too much stress these days...

(Just a momentary jocularity break from the mid-term blahs...)

**************************************************************************

From today's Washington Post Style Section:




   INs                              OUTs
   ^^^                              ^^^^

ELVIS                            ORVIS
SOUTHERN BAPTISTS                EPISCOPALIANS
G-DROPPING                       LOCKJAW
COMING OUT                       COMING OUT PARTIES
CONVERTIBLE MUSTANGS             CIGARETTE BOATS
FEMINISTS                        MUFFIES
CHRONIC ALLERGIES                GRAVES DISEASE
PHIL HARTMAN                     DANA CARVEY
JANN WENNER                      RUSH LIMBAUGH
THE NEW REPUBLIC                 THE NEIMAN MARCUS CATALOG
THE OZARKS                       KENNEBUNKPORT
PICKUP BASKETBALL                TENNIS
RHODES SCHOLARS                  SKULL AND BONES
OVEREATING                       THROWING UP ON HEADS OF STATE
VICE PRESIDENTIAL TREE-HUGGING   VICE PRESIDENTIAL DIVOT-FIXING
FIRST CHILDREN WITH BRACES       FIRST CHILDREN WITH DEFENSE LAWYERS
JOGGING IN A ROLLING STONE T-SHIRT      JOGGING IN A ZIPPED-UP WINDBREAKER
HAVING A CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE RECIPE   ACTUALLY KNOWING HOW TO BAKE THEM
HORRIBLE FLEETWOOD MAC SONGS     HORRIBLE LEE GREENWOOD SONGS
ADULT CHILDREN OF ALCOHOLICS     HEIRS TO EASTERN FORTUNES
PLANNED PARENTHOOD               ALL THOSE GRANDKIDS
LIBERAL PROPELLER HEADS          JIM PINKERTON
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS            MARLIN FITZWATER
PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS     THE VISION THING
YALE LAW SCHOOL                  YALE COLLEGE
TATTOOS                          TATTOED EYEBROWS
HANDSHAKES                       HANDWRITTEN NOTES
SAXOPHONES                       SOUSAPHONES
BIRKENSTOCKS                     COWBOY BOOTS
MANDY GRUNWALD                   SIG ROGICH
BANDANNAS                        HERMES SCARVES
SOCKS THE CAT                    MILLIE THE AUTHOR
LAURENCE TRIBE                   EDITH JONES
ROGER CLINTON                    ROGER CLINTON
TAX AND SPEND                    TRICKLE DOWN
DEN. DAVID PRYOR                 SEN. PHIL GRAHM
"MOANING LIKE A PIG UNDER        "WHINING"
   A GATE"
REALLY LIKING JUNK FOOD          PRETENDING TO LIKE JUNK FOOD
CHILDREN'S DEFENSE FUND          FOUNDATION FOR FAMILY LITERACY
ALMOST EVERY OTHER STAR          BRUCE WILLIS & ARNOLD SCHWARTZENEGGER
CHANGING YOUR MIND ABOUT TIPPER  CHANGING YOUR MIND ABOUT MARILYN
CHELSEA                          DORO
JAMES CARVILLE AND MARY MATALIN  MARY MATALIN AND JAMES CARVILLE
B.S.                             DEEP DOO-DOO
CLINTON                          BUSH
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From:         "(Margaret Joppa)" <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Preferential treatment

In response to the research reviewed by Kathy Morgan on preferential treatment
of men over women, I am considering changing my name to George or Chris or
something so no one can tell I'm female.
Margaret
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From:         Denise Lajoie <DLAJOIE@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FYI. Teaching of Psych listserv

Betty,
    Thanks for the tip on the teaching listserv.  I'm sure it will be very
helpful.
    Aloha, Denise  [dlajoie@uhunix.bitnet]
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From:         DON GALLOGLY <GALLOGLY@CWU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

Here is an old joke that I heard in my physio class as an undergrad.  You've
probably all heard it.  Among the functions under the hippocampus' control are
a set called the "Four 'F' Functions".  They are: Fighting, Feeding, Fleeing
and Mating.  :-)

Don
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: feminists
              11 Nov 1992 12:28:00 -0500 from <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>

>Why is it that people assume everyone who stands up for women's rights
>are bitter, angry and humorless?
>
I don't know exactly why feminists are like that as a class, but they seem
to be working overtime to fit the description.  The postings here have
certainly reflected that. It has something to do with a special form of
victimhood but that's not all of it.  There are theories that conflicts
are bloodier when the conflicting groups are closer, e.g. the old knights
were worse with each other in European wars than on the Crusades.  Could
be that feminists take this conflict much more bitterly because they see
the enemy as people they have been and will be close to.  Ergo, all this
talk about Trojan Horses, crushing teeth, kicking butt, jerks, etc.
   The most abused and oppressed group in our society has not spoken up
because it's not represented here -- children.  I never hear such talk
when people speak up for children, although it's rare since, as I said,
most people get their dander up for getting the goods for their own
group.
T.
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Subject: Sexism and language a la Preferential Treatment
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Hello everyone,

I have noticed something in the language of the Preferential Treatment debate
that maybe others haven't.  "Female" is an adjective.  The APA Guide warns
against using "males" and "females" as nouns.  You should say, "female authors"
or "male subjects" or "men" or "women".  I, for one, am inspired by the
dynamicity (dynamization? dynamic nature) of English, but have to admit that
the word "females" has conotations that can reflect a bias on the part of the
writer.

Don
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From:         Laura Tull <LTULL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      More ALA Character set

Thanks to those who answered my inquiry about the ALA Character set.  I
have three avenues to follow now:
1. YTERM
2. IBM 3151 terminal with special chip
3. NET 3270
We have NET 3270 so now I am pursuing this option.  I talked with our
Network manager and he made reference to using DOS and there is something
in the DOS manual about Code Page Switching but the messages on NOTIS-L
didn't mention DOS and I'm not a DOS expert so I would like more
information about NET3270 since our Computer Services Dept. couldn't seem
to help.  Do we need any special software or equipment?  And how do you
know which keys to punch for what characters?  Is there a manual?  I'm putting
this back out to NOTIS-L because other may be interested.  Thanks again.
Laura Tull
Lib I
Kentucky State University
Frankfort, KY 40601
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I have not been keeping current with my NOTIS-L reading so if this is a
duplication, I apologize.  Are there sites out there that have already
purchased scanners that will read both UPC and SISAC codes for serials
check-in?  Could you supply model numbers and vendor information?
Thanks in advance.
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Subject: forward recovery and tape concatenation
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:35:00 GMT
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Michael, I pray every third Thursday never to have to use NOTIS'
"marvellous" forward recovery features, even tho' I would consider
the system useless without it.

Next time you need to concatenate labelled tapes with different
datasets, look up UNIT=AFF.  It is specifically designed to let
you concatenate multiple volumes using the same tape drive for
each volume sequentially.  If I recall this was the same back in
OS/360...can any other greybeard confirm this?

Ron Johnston, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec  (enough?)
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