From: ahmad@seas.gwu.edu (Aftab Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Who was Justice Munir? Why is he so often quoted by Qadianis?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:33:45 GMT

In article <kuh7hgINNq27@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>Going throught the debates on the net I have observed that:
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>   It is more often the Qadianis (or Ahemedis if you will) who
>   refer to justice Munir.
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>Let me ask the netters who was Justice Munir?
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He was the guy who asked Mr. Maudoodi some questions in supreme court.
It looks that the replies that mr. Maudoodi gave were not satisfactory
to you. He should have taken your permission first.

Two of his greatest accomplishments were:
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>(i) His judgement in the supremecourt staying Iskander Mirza's
>    illegal dissolution of assemblies. This decision is the
>    precedent on which Martial laws of Ayub, Yehya, Bhutto, Zia
>    were legitimated and sowed the seeds of dissension in Bengal.
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You are right, absolutely. He started "Nazria-e-Zaroorat" (Need of the  Hour)
concept to legalize military rule. This should be condemned by every
reasonable and democratic person.

>(ii) Munir report: One of the most vicious reports ever written
>    in Pakistan history. Clearly going beyond the terms of
>    reference in citing more often his personal opinions, in complete disregard     with all scholastic norms.

I thought you were discussing Mr. Maudoodi's answers in relation to 
Muslim minorities in non-Islamic society. Are you saying that the report
is vicious because it published those answers. Or you are just upset?
Or you are saying that Mr. Maudoodi never said anything like in that report.
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>I can never believe in any thing Justice Munir says.

Actually you have answered my above question right here. Sir please
listen. You are saying that if Justice Munir says "I asked this this
question to Mr. Maudoodi and this is his reply" you say that you don't
believe in ANYTHING JUSTICE MUNIR SAYS. Do you know that Mr. Maudoodi
BELIEVED that he was asked EXACTLY these questions and his EXACT answer
is in the report.


Should we believe Mr. Maudoodi or you?


 Netters must note
>that the whole legacy of Martial Laws (Ayub, Yahya, Bhutto, Zia) and
>summararily dismissal of governments (Suharwardi, Junejo, and BB), 
>and even the fall of East Pakistan,
>rests on the precedence of Justice Munir's notorious decision.
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As I said this is my belief too. Does this mean that Justice Munir did
not ask Mr. Maudoodi those questions and he did not give those answers?







Dear Mr. Irfan. it's awful to see your answer to a very simple thing that
could be disproved/proved by using the supremecourt report. Here is a 
summery of what you have done.


Mr. Hussain said that this is a question that Mr. Maudoodi was
asked and this was his answer.

You claimed that he was out of context (you didn't object the validity of
the report as such).
 He should read the report. Then
you said that Mr. Maudoodi said this (something different) in another magazine.

Mr. Zahid (?) said you are wrong. He REFERRED to that report.

You said the report is vicious.






To prove your TRUTH you said that this is the same Justice who made another
bad decision. You didn't refute their claim - you reinforced them.
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If you are rude, you don't want people to understand you. Because you
have no point.