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From: cnbp41@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( "I.S.McIntyre", Electronic Engineering )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodity question
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: cnbp41@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

In article 1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu, taaustin@vaxb.acs.unt.edu () writes:
> I have been having trouble with the commodity ClickToFront.
>  
> I understand this is supposed to allow you to double click
> anywhere in a window and bring it to the front (?)
>  
> I have tried starting this by double clicking on the icon
> and by putting it in the wbstartup and rebooting, neither
> approach got it to work.  Any ideas what I might be doing
> wrong?
>  
> A2500/030 '882
> 1M chip (ECS Agnus)
> 4M fast
> 2.04
> ks 37.175
> wb 37.67
>  
> Any help would be appreciated,
>  
> Terry     taaustin@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
> 

In order to click windows to the front you need to use the
qualifyer left alt when double clicking. This can be changed
by editing the icons tooltypes.


Ian MacIntyre
Email at cnbp41@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  until June 1993
                                    When I become an ex-student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hitch@cs1.bradley.edu (Douglas Hanna)
Subject: KingFisher Latest Version
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:35:12 GMT

I have the latest version of KingFisher (forget number, not at
Amiga) but the one released two days ago and I find a problem with
it.  It says to defing the nameindesfile=name.index in the 
kingfisher.config file.  I do this and it comes up with index 
problems and says to reindex.  I reindex, and the settings are
saved automatically when I leave (I've tried both ways) and
when I go look at the .config file that particular line is 
missing.  I really love the program and major thumbs up the the
writer(s).  Major help is appreciated.

--
       Douglas Hanna           Bradley University, Peoria, Illinois, USA 
       HITCHhiker (042)        hitch@cs1.bradley.edu 

What the world could really use right now is a $4000 computer for $40!
From: evermic@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Mickey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ENHANCEMENTS: C= Please consider this
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:36:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gs9jfINNo6l
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu


One feature I do like about the mac operating system, is by holding
down the option key as you open windows, the last one will close as you open
a new one.   Pretty handy for going in deep subdirectoris.

-MIC
P
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ENHANCEMENTS: C= Please consider this
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:24:02 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

>    You can get commodities to do this sort of thing. I use a program
>    called JDMouse that brings a window to the front if you double-
>    click on it. It also does logarithmic mouse acceleration, etc.
>    Stuff I miss on OS/2 on a PC.

There's also one included with the OS.  It's called "Click to front" and it's
in the sys:tools/commodities directory.  There's a qualifier key set by default,
but you can simply comment it out of the tooltypes listing (or delete it
altogether), and presto - double-click and a window comes to front.  I don't
know why the people at CBM don't leave out the qualifier key - so many people
don't recognize that it's a tooltype problem and claim the thing doesn't work.
Come on CBM, make things more intuitive, willya?

>>     // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
>--
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
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Jake Rose               :: Two men look out through the same bars.
jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ::                     One sees mud, and one the stars.
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From: tcampbel@unlinfo.unl.edu (thomas campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: WB 2.1 problems...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 09:31:07 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

I just upgraded from WB 2.0 to 2.1, and I ran into a few problems:
 
When I boot, several lines are printed on the CLI window:
 
EXECUTE: Can't open T:M
object not found
 
Also, I use VirusZ and an overscan screen.  When booting, the system 
doesn't get a chance to change from a 'normal' to an overscan screen 
before the user-startup is executed.  I've tried moving the location 
of the user-startup execution within startup-sequence, and I've tried 
putting waits before VirusZ is executed.  Is there a solution?  I'd 
like to be able to run VirusZ automagically instead of having to do it
manually.
    __
 __///   Real Life:        InterNet:
 \XX/    Thomas Campbell   tcampbel@unlinfo.unl.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kws1x@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth W. Smith)
Subject: Upgrading to 2.1
Originator: kws1x@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:41:28 GMT



	Hello Fellow-Netters,

	This is going to be an interesting question.  Does the AOS 2.1 upgrade
require the presence of the 2.04 rom?  I have 2.03 on HD in my softkicking A3000and I would rather be able to use a higher version from my hard drive so I can
keep 1.3 as well.  Any help on this is appreciated, and I do feel rather silly
for asking.
	Thanx in advance,

	K. W. Smith, Jr.
	kws1x@cyclops.micr.virginia.edu


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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Disk validating in 2.0 ??
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <92342.190739BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu> BGT101@psuvm.psu.edu (Blaise Tarr) writes:
>It seems to me that Amiga DOS has a very flaky file system.  It doesn't store
>the file pointers in a FAT the way MS-DOS does, and that is one of the reasons
>why you simply can't undelete a file like on MS-DOS, and why validating a
>corrupted disk can be such a pain in the donkey.  

Hmm...  At first you seem to imply that the Amiga filesystems are flakey because
they don't do things the old MS-DOS way, then go on to point out some of the
reasons you wouldn't want to do things the MS-DOS way.

>What we need is not a better disk fixer, but a better file system from 
>Commodore.  

Actually, the Amiga filesystems are very good.  It's impossible to lose very 
much data with a typical disk crash, because the Amiga filesystems don't store
file information all together, like the MS-DOS FAT does.  If you blow away
the FAT on an MS-DOS disk, you're in trouble.  If blow away the FFS bitmaps
and every single directory, all you lose are the directory names -- the 
structure and filenames remain intact.  Under OFS, you could even blow away the 
file headers and still not lose any file contents (OFS is more crash resistant
than FFS, since it contains quite a bit of file management redundancy, but it's
inherently slower).

>I've heard that WB 3.0 has a new file system that is safer and faster than 
>the current fs,

OS 3.0 introduces the concept of a "directory caching" filesystem.  This gives
you a directory listing speed improvement and file creating slowdown.  It also
adds some redunancy that disk recovery programs can take advantage of.  Nothing
else in the disk structure is more or less safe than the 2.0 FFS, though I don't
know if there are any enhancements in the filesystem server itself toward this
end.  

Since 2.0 FFS have been very crash resistant.  You have to realize that the 
chance of trashing a disk on an unprotected multitasking system is greater than
on an unprotected singletasking system, simply because you may (always do in the
Amiga case) have programs running at the same time you're doing disk I/O.  In
MS-DOS, a write to disk is basically a function call that returns when the write
is complete.  Under AmigaDOS, a write to disk is a message sent to the 
FileSystem server.  The sending task may wait for the result or continue on. 
Even if it waits, any ready task will be run instead.  If that newly scheduled 
task is buggy, it can on rare occasions cause a disk crash.

-- 
Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"
From: wfaust@venus.adsp.sub.org (Wolf Faust)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: 2.1 printer drivers
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:42:12 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <COLINDSE.92Dec11213454@dante.nmsu.EDU> colindse@nmsu.EDU (LINDSEY) writes:

>Does anyone know whether the HP laserjet printer driver was updated in 2.1.
>And if so, does it support PCL5 printer commands for graphics selecting 
>different fonts (scaleable or bitmapped)?

So far, only the Studio drivers provide you full PCL 5 support
(yes, compressed graphic output with up to 256 greyshades and free
definable dithers, all typefaces are selectable).

Oh yep, forgot to tell:  Studio now includes a PageStream PCL 5
driver with up to 600 dpi (wich can, beside the Studio workbench
driver, used for the new HP 4/4M).  All Studio Laserjet drivers
support PJL.

Studio is commercial and is currently only shiped in germany for
$69 (list price).  An english version will be available in a view
days and this version will cost $55 but the price will most likely
be higher in case I can find an US distributor. In the UK you can
get Studio from JAM for 49.95.

If you want a list of the features let know...

[To those guys tried to reach me at wfaust@aurea.hotb.sub.org:
Please try wfaust@venus.adsp.sub.org... hotb is currently not reliable]

-- 
Wolf Faust                 Internet: wfaust@aurea.hotb.sub.org
Germany                        FIDO: 2:249/3.5
Tel: (+49)69 5486556         CBMNet: wfaust@venus.adsp.sub.org
From: hebrais@mirkwood.CAM.ORG (Philippe Hebrais)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Snapshot (was Re: ENHANCEMENTS: C= Please consider this)
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:34:15 GMT
Organization: Secte des adorateurs des semiconducteurs
X-Newsreader: MeNews 2.8.0

[ ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes in article <1992Dec14.155025.1357@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>: ]
>In article <Bz9rHw.8Ls@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>
>> 1) Snapshotting.  It would be much better if the DOS would remember
>> where you put things, like the rest of the icon-based DOS's do.

I have only two gripes about the amiga's icons and windows.  Like
many other Amiga users, I dislike the Macs handling of icons.  I like
the fact that depth rearrangement and activation are independent and
that you have a seperate snapshot command.

My two gripes are:

1) there are no keyboard shortcuts for snapshotting.

2) it allows multiple icons to overlap.  Even completely hiding some.

My 0.02 zorkmids worth.

--              ,
      Philippe Hebrais   hebrais@mirkwood.cam.org
   Voix: (514)731-9146   uunet!philmtl!altitude!mirkwood!hebrais
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jim@cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady)
Subject: WBench 3 Advantages ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:29:39 GMT

Hi All

A simple question : is there any advantage in using Workbench 3 on pre AGA
machines ?

For that matter, will WB 3 work on pre AGA machines ?!

Regards

Jim

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.atari.st.misc
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Your comments on Supra modems
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:03:47 GMT

In article <SKNKWRKS.92Dec17134913@hubert.cs.unlv.edu> sknkwrks@hubert.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

>The modem is supposed to emit answering tones when you enter ATA...

	The tones that MY modems have been emitting are NOT answer tones.
Believe me I wish they would send the same answer tones my other 3 modems
send. But my 3 SupraFAXes eventually stopped sending the correct answer tones.

>unless you have previously entered ATM0 (mine runs silent because I
>don't want modem chatter to wake me up at 4 in the morning :-) ).

	Oh wow that is a great idea. I never thought that turning the 
speaker off would be useful, seeing as how many of the speakers don't work
anyway. It makes it fun to call or receive dial tones, not knowing if
you got a busy signal, ring, no dialtone, etc.

>I've never had problems with unexpected carrier drops, or with the TX
>and RX lights turning on for no reason.  No speaker problems, either,
>and the display problem (related to an MNP bug) was fixed by a ROM
>update.

	My LED display problem cannot be fixed by a rom upgrade. Unless
the rom sends out dead pixels and changes the intensity in a nice gradient
across the display.

>Sounds like you need to make sure you have current (1.2H or later)
>ROMs in your modem.  If you already have them, make sure you've
>entered the appropriate AT&F command to set up the modem for your
>machine.  After that, all I can suggest is RTFM.

	I have 3 sets of the new roms for all three of my SupraFAX modems.
Thankyou for the suggestion about AT&F; however I am not a novice, and no
sequence of AT&F will get my modem to work. I have spent hours every day
for the past four weeks and nothing has revived it or my BBS...except 
plugging in a different brand of modem.

	I even recorded the ENTIRE register set using AT&V, duplicated 
the problems, and then compared it to memory. No changes in the registers
in memory. Hmmm...maybe the modem is screwed up.



-- 

   I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS - IN MY OPINION THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE
      Amiga Graphics Association BBS (516) 473-6351  24 HRS 14.4 v.32bis
                   ** NO LONGER RUNNING ON A SUPRA MODEM **
                          ** FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE **

  Problems with your Supra modem? Join the Supra Mailing List. Send email to
     subscribe@xamiga.linet.org, and ask specifically for the Supra list!
From: shogun@tension.UUCP (Jay Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: amiga 1200
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:50:31 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Dec15.000417.15165@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>,
cs4gp6au@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Lockie      RJ) writes:
>       I was just looking at an Amiga 1200 today. Unfortunately
>I couldn't change the WB screen to 800 x 600 mode. I couldn't
>find it in the preferences. The salesman (an idiot) tried to tell
>me that only the A4000 supports this mode because it's 'high end'.
>Anyone care to comment on this? Since I only have one dealer in
>my area I will be travelling 1/2 hour to a (hopefully) more
>informed salesman.
>
>       I'd also like to know if the PCMCIA card ram expansion
>is 16 or 32 bit ram? That's what they're selling but I have heard
>of a 'local bus' fast ram expansion from Microbotics that is
>definitely 32 bit. I'd want 32 bit, so comments?
>
        The salesman was and idiot.  The A1200 can use 800x600, it's AGA!  It
isan't in preferences.  I believe there's a program called Screen Mode thsat
does it.
                        Jay Brown

==============================================================================
IBM MAKES IT IN BULK...MACINTOSH MAKES IT POPULAR, BUT ONLY AMIGA MAKES IT     
                           POSSIBLE.
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.dcom.modems
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: wanted: your comments
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.4247.24082@dosgate> "jay rymal" <jay.rymal@canrem.com> writes:

>I concurr wholeheartedly...I've been reading David Tiberio's requests for all
>those having problems with their Supras to write to him and I've wondered what
>the heck he was talking about, as I've had mine since June 92 or so with no
>problemo.

	You are one of the chosen few.
	
>It was finally decided that it wasn't the Supra v.32bis's fault, but the
>JRcomm!!  and serial.device.

	Okay, then in my case, it is the fault of JrComm 1.01, Term 2.4, 
ATalk III, Access!, termlite, Excelsior! BBS, Microhost BBS, Trinity BBS,
Elite BBS, and Handshake. I will inquire with the authors (not).

>please check your sources and prove your point before slandering a decent
>product!

	I have proved my point numerous times. It becomes tedious to retype
it 50 imes for everyone who disagrees. 

	Second, I AM NOT SLANDERING ANYONE. I AM EXPRESSING MY OPINION OF
A PRODUCT THAT I PURCHASED THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING. THIS IS NOT SLANDER.
Please check your sources before slandering a decent post.


	Now about this Supra crap....if I never ran a BBS I never would
have known that there was something wrong other than the speaker broke, 
the LED with the NEW ROMS (both the H and J) would flicker like hell, I
would get dumped from BBSs while online numerous times, I would NOT be able
to connect to other Supra modems above 9600, and sometimes not even ever,
the DELETE key caused the LED to pass a verticle bar of one pixel wide across
the LED every time I hit DELETE or BACKSPACE, the modem made hissing noises
the moment I turned it on, and it does not connect to other modems if they
are calling me, and we can't play games like Populous and Populous II. 

	Supra says I have line noise. Funny how I never see any, and how
when a BBS caller complains about it, the line noise is always identicle to
what it was before. I can reliably create the same line noise on my modem.
I can make the same characters appear, and the same disappear. Maybe I am
living in an alternate dimension or something.

	I have had 10 callers to my BBS in the last 3 weeks. My best friend
tres to connect 5 or 6 times a day. Now I have his modem and he has mine.
He still can't connect, but everyone else can. Actually he did connect once
last night but was unable to log off.


	BEWARE OF SUPRAFAX MODEMS. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME, READ THE MAIL
COMING IN FROM THE SUPRA MAILING LIST. 


-- 

   I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS - IN MY OPINION THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE
      Amiga Graphics Association BBS (516) 473-6351  24 HRS 14.4 v.32bis
                   ** NO LONGER RUNNING ON A SUPRA MODEM **
                          ** FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE **

  Problems with your Supra modem? Join the Supra Mailing List. Send email to
     subscribe@xamiga.linet.org, and ask specifically for the Supra list!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Todd_Lewis@unc.edu (Todd M. Lewis)
Subject: Re: ENHANCEMENTS: C= Please consider this
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:11:26 GMT

In article <Bz9rHw.8Ls@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu  
(Sam Hulick) writes:
>I'm surprised not a lot of people talk about changing AmigaDOS. [...]
>1) Snapshotting.  It would be much better if the DOS would remember
>where you put things, like the rest of the icon-based DOS's do.

That is a Workbench issue, not a DOS issue.  Still, if your are used
to a Mac and can stand having things left wherever you left them it
might be handy sometimes.  I wish I could extend the Amiga way to 
things outside the computer.  If I could snapshot tools to my toolbox
in the garage, the I would never have to wonder where I left my tools
the last time I used 'em!

>2) Window activation/depth.

Everybody and his brother is going to tell you about ClickToFront
and its kin.  I don't like having alterations in window's behaviour
lurking in the background, so I wrote a utility call PFG for Portable
Front Gadget.  It opens a window the size of a front gadget that 
you can drag around at will, and it tries to stay in front of other
windows.  Click on it, and the next window you activate will be
brought to the front.  You can ftp a copy from guitar.oit.unc.edu
as the file pub/amiga/utilities/PFG.lzh.  It may not be as slick
as a commodity, but I suspect it is more visually understandable
to the novice/casual user.

> And of course, if any of the above problems can be fixed w/
>some PD/ShareWare program, let me know!  Thanks.
--
 _/_/_/  _/     Todd_Lewis@unc.edu          You can lead a horse to 
  _/    _/     utoddl@guitar.oit.unc.edu   Mohammad, but you can't make
 _/    _/_/_/                             a mountain drink a mole hill.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ajs@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Satterthwaite)
Subject: What the HELL are Commodore playing at ?
Originator: ajs@bookbind
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:57:09 GMT


	There is an article in the current issue of Amiga Format stating
that from Jan 1st 1993 Commodore are increasing the price of Amigas in the
U.K. - A600s by 30 pounds and A1200s by 40 pounds. This is reportedly due
to the fall in value of the pound in respect to the dollar (currently 
$1.50/pound ish - I think).
	When Commodore released the A1200 they made several claims that they
were determined to stick to the #399 price point - hence no DSP and no HD
drive.

	What the HELL do they think they're playing at - There has been no
drastic change in pound/dollar ratios since the A1200 release, so they must
have known ages ago that they were going to increase the price after xmas -
so why did they not just make it #499 (the same price as the Falcon) include
a HD drive and a DSP, and avoid all the criticism they aquired for these
omissions and all the criticism they will get for the price increase.

	How much is an A1200 in the states anyway - unless its $600 then
Commodore are upping the price for the U.K. market anyway and they make the
damn things in Scotland anyhow (I know most of the components come from the
far east - but that applies to the US machines as well).

	Comments and explanations of Commodore's collected mental problems
are definitely needed.


Andy.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.atari.st.misc
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: WANTED: Your comments on Supra modems
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.084755.22036@u.washington.edu> hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
>dtiberio@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>
>>   I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS - IN MY OPINION THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE
>
>I really, really like my Supra v.32bis. I had no trouble setting it up,
>it's fast as hell, the faxes are great, the software is great, the price
>is great, the display is great, the manual is great, and the company has a
>terrific ROM upgrade policy.
>
>I WOULD RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS UNRESERVEDLY-I HAVE HAD FEWER PROBLEMS WITH
>IT (0, TO BE EXACT) THAN ANY OF MY FRIENDS HAVE HAD WITH OTHER HIGH SPEED
>MODEMS.

Ditto. In spades.

My SupraModem wors perfectly. It works much better than my previous modem
(an EMAC 2400 bbs modem)--I _never_ get garbage characters any more. 

I suggest people interested in buying a v.32bis modem read the excellent
review of about 20 such modems in the Novmber issue of MacUser. While their
tests do not cover usage results over a 5 year period or anything, they
_do_ test each modem's performance under a variety of conditions. They
really like the Supra.

Jay Boisseau

-- 

*********************************
  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")       
  Department of Astronomy        
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