From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Dragon and the Cobra
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:05:31 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
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Subject: In article 27569@uwm.edu, ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>
>Just saw a movie entitled Dragon and The Cobra (rented from
>Blockbuster Video), and thought I'd let you in on it.
>
>IT'S COMPLETE CRAP AND A WASTE OF MONEY.
>
>The film made in '79 has people like Rich Barathy, Ron Van Cleefe,
>and a bunch of other people coming to a big bout at Madison Square
>Garden that is supposed to decide who the next Bruce Lee is.  BLECCHHH!
>Besides the obvious crap (and it's not because it's not scottish :),
>they take complete liberties with Bruce's past.  The whole
>middle of the movie is filled with actuall footage of a Hong Kong
>movie Bruce made before he left in '59 (which is the only good part 
>of the film).  Even then they screw that up by using it to tell
>his supposed life story, which again they take complete liberties
>with.  The big (ewww) conflict in the movie is supposed to be everyone
>arguing how Bruce died.  The main thing being the secret Dim Mak
>flower hand death touch.  They also use footage from Longstreet
>episodes and interviews which they completely overdub with their
>own dialogue as with the rest of the old footage.
>
>Worst lines:
>
>(Note:  every sound uttered went to forming a totally crap movie)
>
>"Bruce's great grandfather was a tremendous samurai."
>
>(Their overdub of Bruce talking to a producer):
>"Sure, I know all the main martial arts: Karate, Jeet Kune Do,
>Aikido...."
>
>"But father, I want a black belt."  --overdub of Bruce speaking
>to his father.
>
>
>
>I wouldn't even reccomend this movie for a good laugh, because they
>treat everything seriously, and in a factual manner.
>
>
>Rating:
>
>(On a scale of 1-4 black belts)
>
>0  (Sears Catalogue vynahide(tm) for $3.00)
>
>
>Not even worth the lint in my pocket...
>
>
>Marty
>
>Do



Keywords: Good job Marty!


  You have pointed out something that I wish more Americans and Asians in this country and abroad would distinquish. And that's the defference between sinceless acts of twisted reality, and fantasy in movie making.

There is nothing wrong with Science -fiction, Ghost, or Action, or MA movies with some kind of MA subject matter in them as long as it is authentic or at least has some historical value to it. To me it will give the fim a better quality.

Twisted reality - example: mixing Japanese and  Chinese or what ever culture together. A lot of Hollywood fims did this and is a discredit. It's kinda like Cowboys and Indians, the films they made about this subject was...?!

Another example would be like the first Batman film where an Oriental jumps out to attack Batman swinging a Japanese sword in each hand screaming and kicking from side to side. I didn't like that one.

Fantasy-example: A  Chinese Knight with super-human abilities that's able to fly and subdue an entire army. These films are usually based on legends and deal with  eastern thought of the era that the film is deplicting. That's ok  and needs some understanding.

The other of course would be a documentary and should be 99% reality.

There are alot of baaaaad movies out there that I think give the MAs the wrong idenity and gives the people the wrong understanding and a misconception.

What do you think is a bad MA movie out there that never should have been printed? Why?

/New Dave
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