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From: tateno@sra.co.jp (Yuuichirou Tateno)
Subject: please
Organization: Software Research Associates, Inc., Japan
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:08:07 GMT

 Hello, everybody.

Recently I have known xterm is able to display Chinese characters in TCA code.
But I have no way to input Chinese characters in TCA code.
So I hope someone send me a Chinese letter in TCA code. I want to see it really
can display.
I have been studying Chinese for five years. I will be very happy if I get a 
letter form you.
Thank you.
-- 
						 Yuichiro Tateno
					E-mail	 tateno@sra.co.jp 
					Software Research Associates, Inc. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.040343.15498@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>>
>>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
           *******************************
          We finally won it back. No place for you.
>>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>>much better than the Chinese culture.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg (LAM TAT FAI)
Subject: E-mail address of NTU
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:20:08 GMT


Hello,
Could anyone kindly tell me the e-mail address of National Taiwan
University? My friend is studying medicine course over there.
Please repond here or send to me by e-mail address:
eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg

Thanks in advance.

Lam, Allen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: The outcome of the election 1992 in Taiwan
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:15:49 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <Dec.19.11.18.02.1992.11824@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry S.) writes:
>News from Taiwan said that in the law-maker election 1992, DPP get 36% of voting, which is higher than before. Shih, Ming-Der get the highest poll in Tainan City. Except for Taipei, most DPP candidate got the highest poll in each area.
> 

According to David Holley, LA Times Service, the Nationalists won 96
seats of the 161-member Legislative House, while the largest opposition
party, Democartic Progress took 50 seats. 

The nationalists won just 53% of the vote cast, down from the expected
60%, compared to 31% for the Democratic Progress, about even with their
forcast, and the winning party is the Chinese Nationalist.

Now, as it is the first true democartic election ever held in this island,
we can compare as whther a democratic election can bring democracy to this
country. I hope the elected members can carry out most of the promises made
during the campaign exculding the vanity of advocating independence.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>
>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>
>
>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>much better than the Chinese culture.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Yi-Chieh

I hope you would not say that all Japanese are dearer than your
baba and mama. Also I hope you would not anticipate many Taiwanese
share your enjoying being Japanese lackey.

I bet no Japanese would think in the opposite way. No wonder
why "Taiwan was surrendered". Glad to here some of you declare
you are not Chinese !

-Chen Jinxiong



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: working for a new relatio
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:53:49 EST

In Article: <1992Dec11.160412.21954@cs.mcgill.ca>
   Subject: Working for a new relationship between Taiwan and China
      From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:


>     Agreed, whole heartedly. The mutual isolation resulted from the old
>idiological battle has made us to some extend virtual foreigners towards
>each other. Let us keep up the communication and interaction. After
>all, we do have a strong common heritage. Understanding among us should
>not be that difficult. Back to the start of the original thread, I must
>say that I found the news of being able to watch CCTV in Taiwan very
>amazing. I was surprised by the fact that this is apparently at least
>Muo4 (silent) Xu3 (allowed) by the KMT/Taiwan government.

>   With the growth rate of economy on the mainland, I am optimistic that
>the day that majority of us finally bury away all the wreckage of old
>idiological battles/skirmishes, accept each other as equal friend and
>country(wo)man is not too far away.

Clap... Clap....  fully agree your above view...

IMHO, In recent years, The progress of the KMT/Taiwan government in it's
attitude towards freedom of press and freedom of expression was even more
significant than Taiwan's economical performance.

The CCP/Chineese government need to learn from the KMT/Taiwan government
if the CG leaders has sincere intention to achieve China's Unity based
on mutual respect and equality.

The recent good opportunity of demonstrating such sincerity could be in
CG's handling of Patten's proposal. It is unfortunate that we have yet
to see any improvement in CG's attitude towards the HongKong people.

Without the modernization of CG's behavior, how to sustain it's recent
economic growth, and how to transform these growth into real tangible
benefits for the majority of the Chinese mass could became a serious
question.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16364 soc.culture.china:33219
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:20:17 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: RMB's value.--Re: The depreciation of RMB
 <liqfk2INNias@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>

In article <liqfk2INNias@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven
Lin) says:
>
>Folks,
>
>If you have noticed, the value of RMB is going down and down.
>It has been depreciated many times since the China door is open.
>It has been in flexible rate day to day, city to city (I wonder
>why it changes city to city).
>
>It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
>If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
>before it is too late!
>
 FYI, The RMB will become market convertable next 2 years. In other words,
 it will be exchanged freely with other currency on  the rate decided by
 market. Current depreciation is coused by future demending of $$ when China
 will join the GATT(?) next year some time. More entreprises will have chances
 to purchase foreign products easily. The current goverment controlled rate
 is around 5.8, the black market is 7.5, two times higher than it was in early
 80s. This is a down turn of RMB and my prediction of free change rate will
 be around 7.8-8.5 sometime next year. After that RMB will slowly get back in
 the next few years.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: The depreciation of RMB
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:10:10 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

Folks,

If you have noticed, the value of RMB is going down and down.
It has been depreciated many times since the China door is open.
It has been in flexible rate day to day, city to city (I wonder
why it changes city to city).

It may go down 10:1 against the US dollar soon!
If you have held RMB, take action to change the money now
before it is too late!
From: lindor@eng.umd.edu (Lindor Eric Henrickson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: difference between mainlander and taiwanese? NONSENSE!!!
Keywords: What's the ground?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:41:44 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: lindor@aliasing.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Dec10.173516.1787@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.073048.27508@epas.toronto.edu> kefeng@epas.utoronto.ca (KFK Ke(rr)) writes:
>>In article <00964CBF.1C96AE60@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>>To whom it may concern.  My only impression is that taiwanese guys are weaker
>>>than mainlander, taiwanese girls are less prettier than mainlander.  
>>>W. Huang
>>
>>
>>It's purely prejudice. Taiwan only has the size of one province, how
>
>Don't you see it, he said that is HIS impression!
>That IS his impression not related to everyone else.
>By the way, when you said "that" is purely prejudice based on your "impression",
>you have prejudice too.
>
>>can you make such comparison with one-island-size land to the major continent?
>>Every comparison must have criteria and standard, your general
>>impression is largely ill in logic and lack in evidence and therefore
>>groudless.
>>
>
>So does yours by the exact same logic.
>
>>You should specify the ground for your comparison and your definition
>>of "strong" or "weak" and "pretty" or "ugly".
>>
>
>That is HIS impression which is NOT necessarily agreed or accepted by others.
>It is absolutely ok for a person having his OWN impression, isn't it?
>
>>There are plenty of pretty girls in Taiwan and plenty of strong men
>>there as well. I bet you have never been to Taiwan, you  only make
>>your judgement based on the students & scholars or some intellectuals
>>you met in your circle.
>>
>>If you mean that in terms of Taiwanese guys are generally more polite
>>than mainlanders and more well behaved than mainlanders or less bully
>>or struggle-spirited than mainlanders, I am sure a lot of people will
>>agree with you. Maybe mainland girls are more attractive and arousing
>>to you because you know how to approach them, by the same token, you
>>are limited to a small circle of Taiwanese around you and maybe have
>>no access to any of those one who is pretty, that stimulated your frustration
>>and made you make that judgement. It's a pity you don't know the whole
>>picture.
>>
>
>Although I don't agree who is prettier or stronger article, 
>I must accept everyone may have his own impression.
>How can you say his "impression" is not right?  He was just saying what he
>feels and what he experienced.
>
>

So much for subscribing to this newsgroup...don't you guys have anything better to do?
(or at least anything better to argue about?)  Anyway, it doesn't matter, I won't be around
to hear it....time to unsubscribe.

Signed,

A fed up American

Bye!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 12 Dec 92 10:01:56 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec9.082408.2447@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>
>>>	again, all i want to say is: most people from mainland still dress
>>>	like homeless, act like homeless, and talk and write on the net
>>>	like homeless. 
>
>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>being pushed into the sea by the Red Army's rifles despite of your
>>mighty American made complete gears, hiding behind the shield of the 7th....
>
>	sorry about my harsh language but what i should've said in my
>	statement was: some people from mainland, not most people.
>		       ^^^^			      ^^^^

   Apology accepted. I am glad to see a retraction of any kind. You seem
to have learnt something from the reactions to your post. Next time,
before you send such flamoutary material againist a large group into the
public, think twice. Check the parity on your nasty bits. It will do you
some good.

>	i was attacking directly against those who look at the taiwanese
>	as rich bums spending all they want and making people from
>	mainland look not as 'good'. 

   I don't know who these people you are talking about. Or whether they
are significant enough to deserve your attention. If it was some sort of
envy you were trying to address, that surely was not the way to do it. It
was just a very bad example of cheap show off.

>	oh, by the way, u talked about how taiwan was humiliated by
>	japan in the earlier century, to tell u the truth, i have
>	nothing against japan, not a thing. so what? it was part of
>	the ignorant past, who cares! 

   I found it interesting that although I cited many references in my
counter attack, majority of it were about the age old conflict and
animosity between CCP and KMT, this one about the Japanese seem to
tricker more knee-jerking action from the people from the other side of
the strait. I am not qualified to analyse this psychological complex of
Taiwanese. But I do have a word of advice for you, it is part of your
history. Although it might not be something you would like to talk
about, you still have to accept it. Don't try to deny it in one form or
another. (Pretending it does not exist.) 

   I have stated in one of my other posts along the same thread that I
myself have nothing againist the Japanese people either. I am very
interested in their contemporary and past culture. I studied Japanese
right up to intermediate level in my early teens. Managed to forget all
of them though. :) In flipping through some up market magazines from
Taiwan, I found the coverage on Japan interesting and quite informative.
It provides a rather fresh and indepth angel different from the popular
media in general in the west. 

   Let me borrow a phrase from Heng-Hsin Liao of AT&T, let's work hard
for Taiwan and China.


					Haiying
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim Ding Chuang)
Subject: ITASA - Yale
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:38:11 GMT

Schedule for the 1993 ITASA Conference at Yale University

Registration forms are due December 20

Friday, January 29, 1993
5:00-8:00pm 	Registration
8:00-8:30		Housing assignments, Meet with student hosts
8:30-9:00		Welcome, Opening remarks
9:00-10:30	Icebreakers
10:30-12:00am	Dessert and Coffee, meet with student hosts 
			for late arrivals.

Saturday, January 30, 1993
9:00-9:45am 	Breakfast
10:00-11:00	Concurrent Lectures:
			Taiwan History: Multiple Perspectives
				Professor Beatrice Bartlett, 
				Department of History, Yale University	
			Taiwan Economics
				Professor Gustav Ranis
			 	Department of Economics, Yale University
			Taiwan Culture- "A Tale of Two Cultures"
				a comparison of family structures and 
				expectations in Taiwan and the U. S.
				Mr. Michael Fonte, Washington Analyst
11:00-12:00pm  Group discussions: reflect on speakers, 		
				Taiwanese identity
12:00-1:00pm 	Lunch
1:00-2:30 	Panel Discussion: The Independence vs.Reunification 
				Issue
			Professor Lung-Chu Chen, New York Law School
			Professor Frederick Chen, University of Bridgeport Law
				at Quinnipiac College.
				(Speakers confirmed thus far)
2:30-3:15		Group discussions- reflect on panel discussion 
				(with Pizza)
3:15-4:15		The Democratization Process in Taiwan
				Dr. Parris H. Chang, Director of the Center 
				for East Asian Studies,Penn State University, 
				Candidate for Representing Overseas 	
				Constituencies in Taiwan's Legislative Yuan
4:30-5:30		Workshops	
				Taiwanese Songs
				Environmental Degradation and Protection
				Perceptions and Perspectives: the Hakka view.
				Taiwanese- Americans: Exploring our sexual 
					identities
				The post-college Taiwanese experiences
5:30-6:30		Free time ( talking with speakers, chat, etc.)
6:30-9:30		Dinner, Network Discussion
10:00-2:00am	Dance

Sunday, January 31, 1993
9:00-10:30am 	Brunch
11:00-11:30	Closing remarks

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:09:20 GMT

>	no, i don't think my mind is more superior or more civilized
>	than yours. u think people should blame on communism instead
>	of its victims? umm...i don't know but seems like the people
>	i met (from china) support their government very strongly.
>	they don't intend to 'tear it down'! i guess most of the
>	people from mainland still prefer an equal-for-all government
>	rather than a capitalist america.
>
>	so if 'some' people on the net write/talk like a 'homeless'
>	(may be too strong of a word to describe), then i just have
>	to judge 'em differently than the peple from taiwan.
>
>	---> people from taiwan and china are 2 diff kinds of people,
>	     too many differences! i know that i wouldn't mind if 2
>	     were ever to unite as one in the future but someone will
>	     have to work very very hard to try to resolve the DIFFERENCEs!
>

In conclusion, people come from different countries are different.
This is simply a fact and truth. Why so many stubborn Chinese like to
argue about truth and the fact ? 
I guess the only reason to explain those Chinese' behavior is that they 
are well trained by the communism, because communism don't respect to 
any truth and fact, they think the truth and fact can be made up for 
their will.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.india
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.215337.9956@infonode.ingr.com> duann@infonode.ingr.com writes:
>
>There were an interesting news from the Huntsvill Times, Hunsville, AL
>on December 11, 1992.  The statements originally are from a India 
>Newspaper, and the Huntsville Time just used it as a topic in the
>column of "What the other paper says?".
>
>=====================================================================
>
>The Statesman, New Delhi and Calcutta, India:
>
>  If China's economy maintains its current 10 percent growth rate, it
>should overtake the gross national product of the United States by 2030
>to become the world's biggest economy.

No nation has, yet, maintained such phenomenal growth rates: none of the
Western powers, nor Japan, nor S Korea, and there is no reason to believe
China will. No big deal, really. Industrialization tends to boost growth rates.
It'll happen in the rest of Asia, and at some point wil most likely happen
in Africa and South America.

>  Considered with its nuclear weapons status, the absence of a balancing
>power in Asia, now the Soviet Union is no more, Japan's unwillingness
>to think in military terms and India's inability to do so, China may 
>well become the U.S.A's potential enemy No. 1 in the coming century.

Oh good, another "may well become the U.S.A's potential" something or other.
Really going out on a limb here.

>  The concept of greater cooperation between democracies is a tricky
>one for the U.S. what would happen, for instance, if China were to turn
>democratic?  Cooperation between the world's largest democracies would
>then lead to a not too comfortable feeling in the U.S.

How is the concept of greater cooperation between democracies "tricky" for
the US? Or for Europe, or anyone else for that matter? How could our cooperation
with other democracies lead to an uncomfortable feeling? and if we are 
"cooperating", why fear their nuclear weapons?

>  De Tocqueville, the celebrated French historian and sociologist, gave
>voice to this fundamental fear among the white races of being swamped
>numerically by aliens when he advocated, almost 150 years ago, a strong
>Russian shield to keep away the yellow flood from submerging Europe.
>Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun are etched forever on Europe's collective
>memory.

As are, no doubt, Hitler, Stalin, Napolean, blah blah blah. Most likely, De
Tocqueville did not forsee the brutallity that the "strong Russian shield" was
capable of, nor the concentration camps of the Nazis, etc.

In any event, this really doesn't say much of anything. The world may be 
different in 40 years than it is now? Amazing. Next someone will be trying to
say the world is different now than it was 40 years ago. And we all KNOW
that's ridiculous, don't we?

Mike
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From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Prophecy
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:19:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        Before saying good-bye to the year 1992, I cannot help being
inquisitive of the whereabout of the prophet who used to put "In 1992
R.O.C.'s Li Huan will liberalize Mainland China." (cannot recall the
original quote; the meaning is close, though) in his .signature file. %^)

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From: eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg (LAM TAT FAI)
Subject: test
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:14:52 GMT


This is a test.
From: Zhang.Hao@launchpad.unc.edu (zhang hao)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.044424.25387@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>	<homeless language deleted> :) seb
>	a tasteless joke (maybe this belongs to alt.tasteless.jok :)
>
>	a girl said to a man, "f*ck you!"
>	the man replied, "thank you, girl!"
>	-------------------------------------------------------------
>	peace man. /seb@u.washington.edu


I guess it is other way around. If some run into your home, kill you 
father and raped you mother, you would glad to recognize him as your "foster
father" or even "father", as long as that person is rich than your
real father.


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