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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:59:50 GMT

On the subject of GIS interfaces, let's not forget the problem of
cultural bias and the failure of the vendors (at least until recently)
to deal with the fact that languages other than English exist.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:49:03 -0500
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From:         Eric M Fowler <emfowler@CONVEX.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Subject:      GIS USERS
X-To:         gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Does anyone have, or know where I could get a list
of GIS current/potential local and or county
government users?  The State Council of Governments
has a compendium of users at the state level but not
at the local municipality level.

Thanks in advance

Eric-

emfowler@convex.csd.uwm.edu

P.S. let me clarify my request; not POTENTIAL (since
they all are...) rather PLANNED users.  Thanks.
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: comp.infosystems.gis readership
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:57:53 GMT
Organization: UB

Since February of 1992, there has been a bidirectional gateway between GIS-L,
a BITNET listserver initiated in 1988, and comp.infosystems.gis, a new Usenet
group established in February 1992.  As of today, GIS-L has 774 subscribers;
however, 30 or more of these represent News feeds or redistribution lists.
It seems that about 1000 people receive GIS-L postings as email from the 
listserver software on UBVM.

Readership on Usenet is monitored at hundreds of sites that together
include about 2% of all people with Usenet access.  Each month,
readership statistics are compiled and posted.  Here are the statistics
for comp.infosystems.gis, begining March 92

  +-- Rank among Usenet groups
  |     +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide
  |     |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
  |     |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
  |     |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
  |     |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
  |     |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group
  V     V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V

 806  15000   310   51%   564   892.9     1%  0.06   0.7%        March 1992
 548  18000   359   57%   349   716.9     2%  0.05   0.8%        April 1992
 820  17000   371   53%   397   764.9     1%  0.06   0.7%        May   1992
 688  21000   365   65%   349   573.8     0%  0.04   0.9%        June  1992
 682  25000   405   67%   511   928.6     2%  0.05   1.0%        July  1992


The statistics may of course be biased by some of the 2% of Usenet sites in
the sample being heavy GIS-interest sites, but I do not beleive that to be
the case.  (In scanning the list of monitored sites for July, I did not see
many familiar nodes.)  About 400 people actually read comp.infosystems.gis
in July at that 2% sample of the net, which by linear extrapolation leads
to an estimate of 25,000 readers world-wide.  People can read about GIS at
more than 2/3 of Usenet sites.  Traffic is hovering around 500 messages per
month, totalling about a megabyte.  All for about 5 cents US per reader per
month!

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:09:14 +1000
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From:         Coleman@CENSIS.UTAS.EDU.AU
Subject:      GIS / WAN Seminar -- Australia
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This may be of interest to Australasian readers of the GIS-L /
comp.infosystems.gis newsgroup.-- Dave Coleman

******************************************************************
                       Seminar Announcement

            NETWORKING SPATIAL INFORMATION SYSTEMS '92:
      Managing GIS and CAD Applications Across Wide Area Networks

            The Sheraton Hotel Melbourne, 13 Spring Street
                   Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
                    Wednesday, October 7th, 1992


Computer-Assisted Drafting and Geographic Information Systems generate and
use large graphics and image files. Up until recently, traditional
wide-area networking services simply couldn't deliver fast communication of
these large graphics and image files over long distances. New higher-speed
data communication services like ISDN, FDDI and, in Australia, FASTPAC may
finally offer a workable alternative to users of these technologies.

This seminar offers managers, support staff and end-users the opportunity
to gain a better appreciation of new, high-speed networking services now
being offered to the CAD and GIS communities in Australia.  Participants
will also hear about the performance and application of wide-area networks
in these environments, and the tradeoffs involved when evaluating the
various options available.

Presentations will be made by representatives from state and local
government, utilities, communications consulting firms and research
organisations.  Topics will cover high-speed data communication
alternatives now being offered, results of recent GIS networking research,
and examples of operating CAD and GIS technology in a wide-area networking
environment.

PROGRAM

8:30   Registration
9:00   Introduction: The Promise of Broadband Communications Services
9:30   Examining MAN and WAN Options:  Management Issues
10:15  FASTPAC Performance Testing in a GIS Environment
11:00  Coffee/Tea
11:20  Wide-Area Networking Case Studies
1:00   Lunch (provided)
2:00   Network Implementation Issues
3:15   Coffee/Tea
3:40   Network Planning and Cost Considerations
4:45   Concluding Remarks


REGISTRATION COST:	$145
Morning/afternoon teas and light lunch included in the cost of
registration.

TO OBTAIN FURTHER INFORMATION ON SPEAKERS, REGISTRATION, etc.,
PLEASE CONTACT:

David Coleman, Centre for Spatial Information Studies,
University of Tasmania, GPO Box 252C, Hobart 7001 TASMANIA.
Tel. (002) 20-2108       Fax:  (002) 24-0282
Internet:  coleman@censis.utas.edu.au

*****
Note:   Network users should respond directly to the above
        address rather than posting requests to this newsgroup.
*****

Thanks very much.






-----
David Coleman    <coleman@censis.utas.edu.au>
Centre for Spatial Information Studies
University of Tasmania,
Hobart, Tasmania, AUSTRALIA
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From:         "Eleazer D. Hunt- IRRI" <E.HUNT@CGNET.COM>
Subject:      ARcinfo AML to SML conversion program?

Netters,
Does there exist a program to convert arcinfo amls to smls?  I have a load
of amls I wrote at Buffalo (VAX version) and  would like to use some of them
in our PC arcinfo lab, but do not have the time to manually translate the
programs.  The structure is similar and the command syntax in SML is less
complicated, so I think a program should be available.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Eleazer D. Hunt
International Rice Research Institute
Los Banos "Typhoon Alley" Philippines
ehunt@irri.cgnet.com
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From:         "mnhan040@sivm" <MNHAN040@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!

From: mnhan040@sivm
 Many folks here at SI would prefer 'better' GIS interfaces, although sugges-
tions are usually in general terms.  That is, some would like to see a Mac menu
on the Unix screen, or at least a 'natural language' command system rather than
sending logical but cryptic notes to the computer..............................
Dan Cole, GIS Coordinator, Smithsonian Institution, MNHAN040@SIVM
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From: chess@m1-252-1.mit.edu (Patrick G Kinnicutt)
Subject: Kriging algorithms in C or C++
Organization: /mit/chess/.organization
Distribution: comp,sci
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:47:07 GMT


Hi there,
   Can anyone pinpoint me to any good kriging algorithms written in C
or C++ which are public domain?  I would like to modify it for use in my
research.  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.  

-----------
Patrick Kinnicutt                                (617) 428-8367(h)
chess@athena.mit.edu				 (617) 253-3883(o)
Department of Civil Engineering
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Mailing Address:     /* Any ideas are entirely my own unless otherwise */
----------------     /* stated.                                        */
Patrick Kinnicutt
MIT Branch P.O. Box 233
Cambridge, MA  02139
From: P05193@PRIME-A.PLYMOUTH.AC.UK
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Subject: Bertin's permutation software
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:03:39 GMT
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Via:      UK.AC.PLYM; 21 AUG 92 22:27:55 BST

J.-C. Mueller indeed did some work on seriation (well yes, re-organasing rows
and columns in data tables) at U of Alberta. Seriation is based on Jacques
Bertin's methods of graphic processing based on matrix manipulation procedures
(first introduced by Petrie). I have a couple of papers here:

Mueller J.-C. (1983) Geographic seriation revisited, Professional Geographer,
     35, 196-202.

and a mimeo (I don't know whether it was published on not):

Mueller J.-C. and Honsaker J.L., Visual versus computerized seriation: the
     implications for automated map generalization, U of Alberta, Department of
     Geography.


Jean-Claude and John did some programming in Pascal and the programs were
available (at least at the time ca.1985) from U of A. Hope that this will help.
Cheers,
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 | Wieslaw Michalak                     E-mail (Janet) p05193@uk.ac.plym.pa |
 | Department of Geographical Sciences  Tel: (0752) 233073                  |
 | University of Plymouth               Fax: (0752) 233054                  |
 | Drake Circus                                                             |
 | Plymouth, Devon, UK      'Those who do not like gardenning need a theory'|
 | PL4 8AA                                Leszek Kolakowski                 |
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From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:22:10 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug15.223806.9116@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:
>
>I recently spoke with an executive at one of the leading GIS vendors.
>Discussing interfaces, he said that so far as he knew, the users of
>these systems are happy with existing interfaces and that interface
>revisions was not at the top of his list of important things to do.

Since humans are remarkably adaptable, it may indeed be true that the majority
of current GIS users find the user interfaces of those systems to be adequate*.
But great numbers of _potential_ GIS users will require better user interfaces
(more usable systems) before they will be able to take advantage of the
technology and get access to the data.
_______________________________________________________________________________

* I say 'adequate'; they almost certainly are not ideal or optimal.
_______________________________________________________________________________

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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From:         Herb Maschner <maschner%alishaw@HUB.UCSB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hood canal/Skokomish GIS
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I think the forest service has the entire area in coverage- either them or
 Simpson Timber.
The dam authority might have something as well.

Herb
From: panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:47:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

>In article <1992Aug15.223806.9116@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:
>>
>>I recently spoke with an executive at one of the leading GIS vendors.
>>Discussing interfaces, he said that so far as he knew, the users of
>>these systems are happy with existing interfaces and that interface
>>revisions was not at the top of his list of important things to do.

I have this type of discussion all the time with people.  In generic terms, 
I personally like command line arguements rather than nested menus,
because I like to just type in what I need done, rather than find the menu,
pull it down, find the choice I want, etc.    I supose this is why in
my own software (menu-driven type) I write in many keyboard shortcuts.
I may be in the minority here, and I do see the advantages of menus, so
my ideal system would allow for a combination.  Or be voice activated :)

-- 
Lisa Wolfisch Nyman         "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
panda@syrinx.umd.edu                    
Just remember, geographers do it in places unknown to the general public.
New from Dweeb Publishers: Memoirs of a Workstation Widow, Oh the Agony of It
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:26:42 EST
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From:         lloyds@CSIS.DIT.CSIRO.AU
Subject:      Re: FW: GIS Interfaces
X-To:         GIS-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Users always complain, but .............

as a developer of software you should try getting someone to actually try and
 tell you what they want or how to improve it!!!!!!


Ive been looking at interface design for years and the only good one is the NULL
 one for the system that doesnt do anything (which is of course also the only
 system without any bugs!)

Lloyd Simons
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Re: GIS Interfaces
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:53:50 GMT



I stand by my analysis of the NATO ASI in Spain 1990.  What is the
meaning of "Cognitive and Linguistic Aspects of Geographic Space" if
not to lead to the development of tools that exploit human capabili-
ties in these domains (cognition and linguistics).  And if linguistic
interpretation of cognitive activity isn't interface design, then
what is?

My memories are pretty acute, except for the title.  So how far have
we come in the last two years?  I'd be interested in reprints, too.

Bob Jacobson
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:54:05 -0400
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From:         hoffmann@URZDFN.KARTOGRAPHIE.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE
Subject: Re: Chart Dangers

Unbelievable, that such kind of steamer went through a 'Fahrwasser' with
a limit of 7 feed clearance... from German TV came a report that the
captain and the 'Lotse' have had quarrel about how to go through...
In case of using **digital charts** (I don't believe they used it) but also
using **nautical** only, who will be responsible for such kind of accident
when the "piks" were missed on them...?
Frank Hoffmann, TUD
From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: What do you think about GIS interfaces? Input to vendor!
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:19:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug16.201947.3981
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle


Thanks to Lisa, but to avoid drift, I'm trying to get remarks regarding
existing GIS interfaces as whole packages.  Of course, remarks about
specific features of these packages that are notable are useful.

Bob
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From:         Steve Smyth <stevesmy@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      FW: GIS Interfaces

Bob

I'm getting confused.

What are you trying to learn or accomplish, and how would you like your
fellow netters to help?

...steve smyth (a business person who reads lots of papers and, on
occasion, talks)
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From: Robert Jacobson  <netmail!cyberoid@MILTON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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Subject: Re: GIS Interfaces
Date: 18 August 1992 18:53

I think it's fine for academic people to propose that business people
vending GIS systems should read lots of papers and peruse bibliogra-
phies, but it just ain't gonna happen, folks.  You can be as reserved
and diplomatic as you like, but if you insist on not naming names and
otherwise hoping by implication to make your points, you will not get
results.

Now I understand why the GIS interfaces are so questionable:  those
who know do not talk, and those who talk apparently do not know.
Great Taoist philosophy, poor way to affect industrial change.  At
the 1990 NATO meeting on GIS interfaces, Intergraph scientist John
Herring was something of a fish out of water and (I believe) dis-
mayed at the generally disgruntled crowd.  He was probably taken by
surprise.

Ah well, maybe it's the medium.  Too cool?

Bob Jacobson
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:11:13 +1000
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From:         Jim Monaghan <gejm@MARLIN.JCU.EDU.AU>
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The Department of Geography at James Cook University, North Queensland,
would like to appoint a lecturer in GIS for 3 years from January 1994.

The appointee would be expected to contribute to undergraduate and
postgraduate teaching in GIS/ LIS and RS/ RASTER/ SPATIAL modelling.
They would also be expected to develop a course in one of the following
areas - natural/cultural resource management; soil mapping, statistical
mapping or socioeconomic application of GIS.

Applicants would be expected to have a higher degree and professional
GIS experience in a university, resource management agency or private
enterprise.

The department has a well-equipped GIS laboratory.

We are desparate.  Townsville (LAT19SOUTH:LONG146EAST) has one of the
best climate/lifestyles in the world and is very close to the Great
Barrier Reef and Wet Tropics World Heritage Area.
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From: gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Gaston Groisman)
Subject: R-trees.
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Distribution: world.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:00:38 GMT


I am looking for papers about R-trees.  I have found a couple of
references to Proceedings that our local library doesn't have, so
any other info will be most wellcome.

Thank you, 


-- 
 Gaston Groisman          +-------------------------------------+
 Computer Science Dep.    |      gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca        |
 University of Calgary    +-------------------------------------+
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From:         Anne Buttimer <ANNAB@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: GIS and water pollution
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              31 Jul 92 08:34:58 EDT from <DHDAD@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>

David, Thanks for your message. Just returned from the Washington IGC--my first
"outing" since coming to UCD. The Trinity notice is not at all surprising, but
we have nobody here that could qualify. My own EC grant has come through, even
though I anticipate some tough negotiating about the overall budget. How is lif
e there? Met Harry Swain and Don Janelle at Washington, but did not meet any of
the Ottawa gang. It is good to be back to fresh air, sunshine, and blackberries
Fondly, Anne
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From:         Bob Maher <maherb@GOV.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Minimum configuration for Arc/Info?
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              Aug 12, 92 2:57 pm

A DECstation 5000-25 should do the trick for Arc/Info provided you are
not planning on running version 6.0 of the software.  To my knowledge,
ESRI has not ported the latest release to the DEC/ultrix platform.

Whatever you do, be sure to get enough RAM - while Arc/Info will run
with 8MB it is  s l o w.  I would suggest looking at 16MB as an operational
minimum and get disk space (lots of it because ULTRIX is a hog).


Trevor Bain
Information Management Services
Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources

email:	maherb@gov.on.ca
From: mlindholm@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: How to contact MapInfo?
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


    Does anyone know the mail or e-mail address or fax number to
    MapInfo Corp.?  Preferably all of these, but any information
    is greatly appreciated.

    Mikko Lindholm
    mlindholm@cc.helsinki.fi
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From:         Paul Harris <HARRISP@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HELP - running Arcview under Win 3.1

John
You need to have at least 12 Meg of RAM when running ARCVIEW under windows.
I too had this problem and increasing the RAM fixed it.
I'm an Aussie working in the States. I want to return to Oz soon.
What is the GIS/remote sensing job market like?
Regards
Paul Harris
PS Who won the footy this weekend?
From: osycs@giac1.oscs.montana.edu (Craig Spannring)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Minimum configuration for Arc/Info?
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:57:29 GMT
Organization: Geographic Information & Analysis Center Montana State University

For the workstation version of Arc/Info, could somebody suggest what
the minimum configuration would be?  Would a DECStation 5000-25 do
the trick?

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