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From: ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Picking Best locks (really Medeco)
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:05:44 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ  07764

In article <23841@galaxy.ucr.edu> gwoho@ucrmath.ucr.edu (gwoho liu) writes:
>i dont know how to pick a lock anyway.  i'd say they're probably harder
>than the old medecos.  new medecos, however i'd say are pretty close to
>impossable to pick. i dont know how to pick locks anyway, so i guess i dont
>really know though.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong about this.  From what I have heard, the
older Medecos are just as hard to pick as the new ones.  The "Biaxial"
technology was introduced for two reasons.  Their patent on the old key
design had run out, and they didn't want competitors producing blanks for
their locks.  And second, the biaxial key design has many more possible
keys than the old system, allowing them more freedom in key control.

-- 

Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
                             Computer Services
ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: asa3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Snugglebear)
Subject: Re: Identify this key....
Reply-To: asa3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:48:39 GMT




I have heard of ways to "pick" a magnetic lock.  I don't know if it would
apply to these keys.  Make a electromagnetic bar magnet that is capable
of plugging into an A/C outlet.  The "switching" of polarity at such a 
high speed will confuse most magnetic locks.  It won't work for a 
long time at one sitting though, it tends to get very hot.

I know that this works on the magnetic padlocks, but I really don't think
that it would work on locks that are matched against a computer database.
You just might get lucky though!!

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From: hades@carson.u.washington.edu (Josh Larios)
Subject: Re: Informatik-5 locksmithing file
Keywords: archive, phrack
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:51:23 GMT

Phrack, Informatik, and many other 'zines are available on ftp.eff.org in
the directory /pub/cud/phrack, or /pub/cud/inform, etc. Most of the
/pub/cud directory is mirrored to halcyon.com as well.
From: noahvawt@planet10.WPI.EDU (Noah Theodore Vawter)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: FAQ
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:15:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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hello everyone...could someone give me a general description of how
to pick a lock?  I read text file about three years ago, and this 
is basically what it said...please tell me how accurate this is.

I guess you use a screwdriver is something to twist the lock
about 5 degress or so to the right, as far as it will go with no
key inserted, then you have to stick in a thin rod, like a safety
pin needle or something, and slide one of the pins (i guess there's
one that's always a little biggfer than the rest), up all they way,
then find the next ping, and then the next, and eventually, you've
got it...

can anyone improve upon/comment on this technique?  thanks, I
would very much like to become of the community of locksmiths.
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From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Subject: Re: Jammed locks after picking
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.201104.24490@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad) writes:
>: >
>: <delurks>
>
>: A little while ago I made a great pick out of an old hacksaw blade.
>: It's good steel and just the right thickness for the job.  The only 
>: problem was that after picking my front door lock a few dozen times
>: i wore enough metal off the pins that the key wouldn't work.  Shouldn't
>: have raked it.  Hope this helps.
>
>Another source is a place that repairs band saw blades. Many of them are
>also the right thickness. You could also just go to Sears or a discount
>store and buy a 1/4" or 3/8" bandsaw blade. It would cost a few dollars,
>but would supply enough material for dozens of picks.
>
>By the way, Scot - you forgot to relurk on departing.
>
>Bill

Maybe I plan to stick around, hows that strike ya?

Scot
From: Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Identify this key....
Date: 6 Nov 1992 07:48:11 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov6.062231.5332@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> aroll@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
(Ashley Roll) writes:
>lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) writes:
>
>>   /---\_____________________
>>  |.  %                      |
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>>   \___/---------------------
>
>
>Well we have these type of keys here at griffith Uni to get access to our 
>computer labs. Ours are blue on side though. 
>
>As Far as I know (from talking to a Tech who was fixing one of the readers one

>day, and from our local computer support people) They are magentic and there 
>is a console that the readers communicate with, It looks like a complicated
>house alarm panel but it contains a small programmable computer.
>
>As Far as I know the individual keys may not be unique, but there are
different
>"combinations" for want of a better word, on the keys which the controler 
>recognises and has a database which says when that key is allowed to open the
>door(by releasing an electromagnetic door lock). (We has restricted times that
>we can use the labs).


I think you will find small magnets embedded in the plastic, forming a pattern
analogous the the bits on a conventional doorkey. The location of the magnets
is sensed by the reader (probably hall effect switches) and which then sends
the keycode to the controller for authority checking. I dont know if the
polarity of the magnets is significant.  You can always "see" the innards of
these style of keys ... just sprinkle some iron dust/filings over them (best to
cover them with thin plastic file e.g. "Gladwrap" first so the iron is easily
got off afterwards). The iron will cling where the magents are located. 
Alternatively use on of the commercial products that are an iron/iron oxide
suspension (MagnaSee was one such product) that can be used to make the tracks
on recorded magnetic tape visible, to achieve the same end.





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From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: interest in car alarm group?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:57:27 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

p00140@psilink.com (Gary A. Woodward) writes:

> Any interest in a car alarm/security system discussion group.
> I have many years of experience in selling, designing, and training 
> people to install mobile security.  I also know some of the authoritys 
> on the manufacturing level.  I keep up with new developements in the 
> business.   I have no economic gains.  How about it? any interest?
> 
I would be interested in this...

Greg


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From: jemenake@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Emenaker)
Subject: Master-key theory  
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 05:18:02 GMT

wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:

  [stuff deleted]
>
>Also, all the Best lock systems I was in contact with were
>multiple-master systems.  For example, one master might open all
>classrooms, another all offices, another all locks on a floor,
>all locks in a building, and then a Grand Master that opens
>_anything_ in the company.  I had all levels of masters in my
>possession several times, and as far as I could tell there
>weren't any common cuts among them.

I've wondered and hypothesized for a while about how a master-key and
multiple-key-lock system is handled. There are rooms in our building
which all of the faculty can open (in addition ot their own). Basically,
these are just locks that work with a multitude of keys.

We also have a range of master-keys as well.

I've tried to figure how these must be handled. The only things that
come to mind are:
 
 * To have multiple-keys open a lock, just remove the pins which
   correspond to the positions with different bittings.

 * For master-keys, have two sets of breaks on the pins. For the
   individual faculty, the breaks are in different places, and for
   the master, the breaks are always in the same place.

So, is this close to correct. I would think that the different levels of
masters would just use different key-breaks on different pins. The idea
of more than two breaks in the pins doesn't seem likea plausible theory
to me since the spaces in between breaks would start to be very thin and
would be prone to warping and, thus, jamming the lock. I mean, you want
to have pin-sections in there... and having 3 or 4 breaks in the pins
would make some of the pin-sections seem more like shims or something.

So, what IS the usual method for managing a set of locks and keys among
which, some of the keys open all locks and some of the locks are opened
by all keys?
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Jammed locks after picking
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:53:41 GMT

psionic@wam.umd.edu (Sixth Plane of Hell) writes:
: 
: The problem here is that I've had this happen not only to myself but to some co-workers on several occasions. This usually happened on great graand master systems where the person who keyed the locks decided it would be a great idea to use
: very thin pins/driver combinations. Many times the pins would be jammed between
: the shear line or actually knocked out of the lock. I know this sounds really 
: absurd but with the thickness of some of the pins they can be knocked into the keyway and jamm up the locks..
: 

Yes, very thin pins can cause a problem. With a properly designed system,
the thin pins are avoided - for this specific reason. If the person runs
out of change key combinations, then a new keyway is chosen.

There are keyway series that are designed for master-key system. The master
key will fit all the keyways, but the change keys will only fit one of the
several keyways. It is also possible to have a grand master that fits all
the keyways and master keys that fit only a few of them.

Bill
From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Informatik-5 locksmithing file
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:09:57 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech


	I just got this from ftp.eff.org,  and I can highly reccomend it -
it has some of the most detailed information in locks that I've seen anywhere.
The quality of information is far better than the usual underground stuff
(Like the only good part in Phrack is Phrack World News,  where you can
hear about who got busted).  Anyway,  for anyone who wants to learn about
locks,  this article is one of the best.


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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: GG.WSF@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Jammed locks after picking
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:15 GMT

In article <y=31H&absa@atlantis.psu.edu>,
holman@pop.psu.edu (Darryl J. Holman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.201221.18908@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>It is possible that there are some thin pins in the lock. If the person
>>is raking the pins, they might jump and tip on edge. Depending on which
>>pin did so, it could cause either the master or change key (or both) to
>>not work any more.
>>
>  I have also had Best removable-core type locks get jammed after attempts
>at picking.  The key would only go about halfway into the lock.  I figured
>that, perhaps, tiny metal filings were comming off of my pick.  So, I
>squirted some graphite into the locks, raked the locks, tapped the
>core a few times with the handle of a screwdriver, and succeeded in
>getting the lock to work again.
>
I don't know if this explains the specific case or not.  On some
locks, the width of the bottom of the keyway in the plug is
greater than the diameter of the pins.  If while picking or dis
assembling, you turn the plug more than 180 degrees, the springs
will force the pins from the cylinder into the bottom of the plug.
Voila!  A jammed lock or lost pins.  When using the key, this is not
a problem since the bottom edge of the key is flush with the open
side of the keyway.

Bill F.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: Locksmith ID's.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:28:21 GMT

As for the person in the UK,
Why not just have someone in the U.S. send it to you.
They neednt put a return adress on it and if you know somebody
who is willing to do it why not?
(I would need to research legalities before I would even ponder
this idea)

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"Nitzche is dead"God
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Jammed locks after picking
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:12:21 GMT

psionic@wam.umd.edu (Sixth Plane of Hell) writes:
: 
: What is probably happening is that you are knocking out the master pins during
: your picking. This happens a lot in locks found at school because they are often
: great grand mastered keys which means that the pins in the lock are not solid like a typical lock, but rather in several pieces in order to accomodate many 
: different keys. However when you master key a lock like this you must use
: many small pins that are easily dislodged when you pick them. This doesn't
: happen when you use a key because the key actually holds them in place.   
: Unfortunately the picks do not..

This problem would only occur with a poorly designed master key system - no
matter how many levels of mastering are used. Also, there should be no way
that the pins should be "dislodged" anywhere. Where can they go? 

It is possible that there are some thin pins in the lock. If the person
is raking the pins, they might jump and tip on edge. Depending on which
pin did so, it could cause either the master or change key (or both) to
not work any more.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Organization: large
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:51:02 EST
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Subject: NOTE YE WELL:
From: hobbit@babyoil.ftp.com (*Hobbit*)

To whatever lame-o stuffed a longish article about mathematical analysis
of Simplex locks down the SMTP port at cosmic.physics.utah.edu today:

I am not a post office.  Post your own damn article.

_H*
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,rec.audio.car
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: interest in car alarm group?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:48:06 GMT

In article <2930500342.0.p00140@psilink.com> p00140@psilink.com (Gary A. Woodwa
rd) writes:
>Any interest in a car alarm/security system discussion group.
>I have many years of experience in selling, designing, and training
>people to install mobile security.  I also know some of the authoritys
>on the manufacturing level.  I keep up with new developements in the
>business.   I have no economic gains.  How about it? any interest?
>
>Gary

That would sure be nice!  So everyone can ask direct questions right to the 
people who know!
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: How do I rekey an auto cylinder?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:17:32 GMT

albcraj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Craig Albert) writes:
: I'd like to rekey a car lock cylinder.  Thieves jimmied my old one, and I
: got a new one at a junkyard.  I figure that I can use the old pins in the
: new lock, but how do I remove the plug from the cylinder?  (I'm new at
: this.)  The only opening on the lock is a small recatngular hole directly
: behind the faceplate.  Any suggestions or helpful comments on doing this
: job would be appreciated.  A response by email, as well as to the net,
: would be helpful as well.

If it is a standard lock, then it is not easy. The cap (faceplate) has to
be removed. After changing the pins, the cap (or a new one) has to be 
replaces and swaged around the lock body. I have done a couple, it is
a pain, and generally not worth the effort. 

It is also possible, if it is a lock that uses pins (instead of wafers) 
to do the work another way. Find the part of the lock where the pin springs
are housed. There will either be a cap there, which can be pried out/off,   
or you can file off the top until the springs are exposed. You then remove
the springs and replace the pins from that side - leaving the plug in the
lock. When everything is done, you replace the cap - that is the only hard
part of the procedure. It is far easier than removing the keyway cap.

Bill
From: cs101c96@eng-nxt04.cso.uiuc.edu (cs101 student)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Combination Locks
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hello everyone. As a newcomer onto the scene, I have a couple of questions  
that someone out there will be able to answer.

1) What is the most efficient method of manipulation for combination  
locks? Is there a difference between manipulating Master as opposed to  
other brands?

2) What makes Best locks so damn hard to pick? I worked on the one on my  
dorm closet for 45 minutes with no luck. I took the lock outta the door  
for an examination, and couldn't really figure it out. Is there a certain  
method to go about picking these?


Thanks in advance....
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From: birnbaum@math.washington.edu (Z.W. Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: FREQUENCIES OF KEEPSAFER (SCHLAGE) SECURITY SYSTEMS  ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:41:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Originator: birnbaum@frobenius.math.washington.edu


  Does anybody know the frequency of the transmitters
  for the window sensors of the SCHLAGE alarm systems
  marketed under the name of KEEPSAFER and KEEPSAFER PLUS.

  I would like to monitor a door and if I know the frequency
  of the transmitter, I just need to buy the transmitter
  ($33.59) and not the whole system which is more than $150.
  I plan to use a scanner to monitor the frequency.
  I have already bought the transmitter, and looked inside
  but I could not find the frequency written anywhere. 
  The Instructions did not contain any specifications, much
  less the frequency.

  Any help will be GREATLY  appreciated.

  Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: dd908821@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Douglas Deden)
Subject: Re: Washing machine
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 20:18:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

--



The lock Brian decribed (from the coin box on a washing machine) is
not a tubular lock (at least not like the type on pop machines). 
My family owns a laudromat and I have spent many hours emptying the
coins.  Unfortunately, this was several years ago, before I became
involved with locksmithing.  Anyway, the key is shaped similarly to
a standard key, but instead of having teeth cut into one or both
edges of the blank, a jagged groove is cut in the wide side of the
blank.  Let's see if ASCII can do it justice.





       /----\
      /      \----------------------
     |          \--\        /----\  |
     |              \--/\--/      \/|
      \      /----------------------
       \----/        


Not very good, oh well.  Imagine that the groove along the side has
thickness that the drawing can't show.  Maybe you've seen the
Lexus commercial with all of the falling keys?  The Lexus key has a
similar design, if I remember correctly. 


Doug Deden
Civil Engineering Department
Colorado State University
dd908821@longs.lance.colostate.edu


Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,alt.radio.scanner
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: FREQUENCIES OF KEEPSAFER (SCHLAGE) SECURITY SYSTEMS  ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:36:41 GMT

birnbaum@math.washington.edu (Z.W. Birnbaum) writes:
: 
:   I would like to monitor a door and if I know the frequency
:   of the transmitter, I just need to buy the transmitter
:   ($33.59) and not the whole system which is more than $150.
:   I plan to use a scanner to monitor the frequency.
:   I have already bought the transmitter, and looked inside
:   but I could not find the frequency written anywhere. 
:   The Instructions did not contain any specifications, much
:   less the frequency.

Hm. You have a scanner. Why not just trigger the transmitter and
find what frequency it is on using the tool which is designed for
precisely that purpose?

Bill
From: fred@page6.pinetree.org (Fred Ennis)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Combination Locks
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 22:08:44 -0500
Organization: Page 6, Ottawa, Ontario +1 613-729-9451

> Also, all the Best lock systems I was in contact with were
> multiple-master systems.  For example, one master might open all
> classrooms, another all offices, another all locks on a floor,
> all locks in a building, and then a Grand Master that opens
> _anything_ in the company.  I had all levels of masters in my
> possession several times, and as far as I could tell there
> weren't any common cuts among them.  This means that there would
> also be more than two breaks in the pin stack at every position,
> increasing the chances of getting the alignment at the wrong
> shear line.


Here's how I recall the Best system, starting from the top down.

The Great Grand master with cuts A B C D E F

Building Grand Master with cuts A B C D G H

Maintenance Grand Master with cuts I J K L E F (all public areas, all 
buildings)

Building specific Maintenance master I J K L G H

All other keys were based upon the last two cuts being building specific, 
except for the "great grand master" keying on the split tumbler. In other 
words, it was all laid out to only give a maximum of three splits in the 
pins including the construction core.

I hope that makes sense. (grin)


--
Fred Ennis, fred@page6.pinetree.org

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From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Visual anomolies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:06:18 GMT

You mean this, right?:
  Most migraine patients  have headaches but do not have ring scotomas
  Some migraine patients  have headaches and do have ring scotomas
  Some migraine patients  don't have headaches but do have r.s.'s (like me)

Are ring scotomas symptoms of anything else?  (besides hypochondria? ;-))

Mike
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