HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:52:55 GMT


In <1992Apr15.151511.15496@utkux1.utk.edu>, chang@utkux1.utk.edu (G. Chang)
writes:

>  I found a fairly complete description of Chinese calendar in _Encyclopaedia
>  Britannica_. I would like to make some comments first.

Thank you for going into the trouble to find the reference.

>>From _Encyclopaedia Britannica_:
>
>"Evidences from the Shang oracle bone inscriptions show that at least by the
> 14th century BC the Shang Chinese had established the solar year at 365 1/4
> days and lunation (the time between New Moons) at 29 1/2 days. In the calendar
> that the Shang people used, the seasons of the year and the phases of the Moon
> were all supposedly accounted for. One of the two methods that they used to
> make this calendar was to add an extra month of 29 or 30 days, ..., to the
> end of a regular 12-month year. ..."

Yes, and 29.5 X 12 = 354. Comparing with 365.25, it is 11 days
short. So, every three lunar years, there is a leap month (30
days.) There will also be additional days in other months to make
up the difference of three days.

>"The 24 points within the meteorological cycle coincide with points 15 [degree]
> apart on the ecliptic..
	       ^^^^^^^^
Yes, this is called "Huang2 Dao4" as in "Huang2 Dao4 Ji2 Ri4"
(good days of a year).

>It takes about 15.2 days for the Sun to travel from one of these points
> to another, ... Supposedly, each of the 12 months of the year contains two
> points, but, because a lunar month has only 29 1/2 days and the two points
> share about 30.4 days, there is always the chance that a lunar month will
> fail to contain both points, ... If such an occasion occurs, the intercalation
> of an extra month takes place. ..."

Is this how the "leap months" were added? I have always been
wondering about it.

There is no question about it that the ancient Chinese astrology
was very well-developed in Shang dynasty. They used "Tian1 Gan1"
and "Di4 Zhi1" to calculate days (Gan1 Zhi1 Ji4 Ri4) and divided
a day into tweleve intervals (Shi2 Er4 Shi2 Cheng2). It is
interesting that Shang people actually used "Tian1 Gan1" for
their names. Thus, there were [Tang1 "Yi3"], [Pan2 "Geng1"], [Wu3
"Ding1"]. This type of naming was not restricted to guys, it was
also used for gals. Thus, the name of this foxy lady was [Da2
"Ji3"]. Of course, it was also okay to use the collective term
"Tian1 Gan1" for names, and there was [Bi3 "Gan1"], the guy who
donated his heart for the dynasty. :-(

I guess this type of tradition to use "Jia3, Yi3, Bing3, Ding1.."
for names continued in China until recently. However, in recent
cases, "Tian1 Gan1" was replaced by numbers. Therefore, there
were "Da4 Zhu4 Zi0", "Er4 Zhu4 Zi0", "San1 Zhu1 Zi0", "Da4 Mao2",
"Er4 Mao2", "San1 Mao2" and "Mao2 Mao2", etc. :-)
From: PXW10@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: News SCC is for news, not a battlefield!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:56:00 GMT

Why do not we just simply provide news about China, Chinese communities oversea
if we have time to post something on SCC, since SCC is a news group?

If you could not stand someone's view, send e-mail to his/her e-address. You
never know if your argument is stupid. So for your owen sake, do not fight
each other in public. (for example, recently there are tons of mail about
the so called ``Blood 6.4 Greencard''.  If you think it is a dirty thing to
get such card, no one is going to force you to try one. It is not your
business if some one is trying for that. If you just think that you do not
have anything else to do in this world, as I suggested, send mail to those
whom you do agree with.)

Let us see more China and Hongkong News, [News]..... on SCC.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:40:21 GMT

In article <ROTEN.92Apr13130813@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.135037.8635@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> 
>kniaz@cat5.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Apr11.002859.9825@cs.yale.edu> 
>   horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>   >In article <1992Apr10.180536.11036@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, 
>   >xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>   ><In article <11APR199200391838@vxcrna.cern.ch> yang@vsoph8.cern.ch 
>   ><writes:
>
>   ><I think you are an idiot! 
>   >
>   >Then I think you are an idiot.
>
>
>	   Wow!   With this kind of insightful debating, perhaps you too
>	   should run for public office...
>
>Don't put that thought in their heads !!!!!!  
>
>We're in deep enough slime in this country woith the likes of Bush, 
>Clinton, Buchanon, and good old Jerry Brown slugging it out for high 
>office.  Imagine the 'Citizens for Scott Horne' ..... Brrrrrr ...

	I don't know, Charles.  He certainly would be running as
	a 'dark donkey' candidate... :^>

	( Just kidding, Scott :)  )
							
     ______________________________________________________________________
    / "Lo, Though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death,       /
    \    I fear not!                                        ______________\
    /  For I am the biggest son-of-a-bitch in the valley." / My favorite  /
    \______________________________________________________\ expression...\
    / Joel Kniaz   kniaz@garfield.cs.wisc.edu  kniaz@jomby /      __i     /
    \______________________________________________________\_yiLballe(Mu)_\
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olympic games in Beijing
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:28:28 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr10.055314.25451@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.012644.8757@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
><
><	I personally would object to the Olympics being held in Beijng
><because of "Human Rights" issue.

>I guess that you were also opposed to holding the Olympics in Seoul and
>Los Angeles.  Right?

>					--Scott


	I would have, but it was a little before my time. I wasn't old
enough to understand "mature" things like Human Rights and Racism. I wish
I stayed as a kid...

							Mikeey




>-- 
>Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
>horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
>203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
>ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: shenlin@edson.ee.ualberta.ca (Shen Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Ms. CHEN(2), XI(1) in WPI
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:12:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of E.E., U of Alberta, Edmonton,Canada
Originator: shenlin@edson.ee.ualberta.ca

Dear Chen Xi:(she's supposed to be a graduate in department of
              mathmatics, Wocerstor Polytech. Institute, MA USA)

As soon as you read or be told this message,
please send me an e-mail.

Shen lin

April 13
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Flood Donation
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:11:37 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) */:
:
:Note: I speak for myself on SCC from my own authorized account :-)
:
I felt so much relieved knowing Bo Xiong's account is an authorized one. 

-- 
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From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: cease fire
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:19:31 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.133943.25842@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
>OK, why not?  I'll start:
>
>	Zhang1 Lao3 San1, wo3 wen4 ni3, ni3 di jia1xiang1 zai4 na3li3?
>
>					--Scott
>

Same to you or your father or your grand father or great grand father,
by the way, how many generations do you consider as a united-statan?

Cheer up, more chinese here will give your  a better chance to use
your ability (in language) not worse. So calm down, please.

Wei

PS: By the way, what are you studying at Yale?
From: chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6/4, green card, etc.
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(Hao Xu) writes:

>Shannon, you stiil fail to answer my question. Other people wanted to
>fight freedom for China, you told them "if you really want it, stay in China,
>don't come to the US." Now, you said you want to fight freedom for China.
>Apply your own logic to yourself, I suppose you will go back to China. Now,
>answer me whether you are going to go back, and when.

Why? you want to buy a ticket for him?

This is as impolite as asking a girl on the street when she is coming to your
home. Don't be so curious on other people's privicy.

If you're really interested, here is one for you:

Did you really tell the American visa official in Beijing that your first aim 
of going to US is fighting for democracy(as you have been claiming), and they
didn't laugh at you and granted you a F-1?  

Addict better books, register for Demo-201 sort next semester.

By the way, how is your uncle Yeltsin doing recently? still begging arround?
Tell him don't have to worry, because "spiritual life is more important", 
that's what you demo-fighters are for.

>Hao
From: zc5e@helga2.acc.Virginia.EDU (Zhenqi  Chen)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:49:53 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: A hero or what ?  ( Re : The death of a monk .)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:34:18 GMT

 Questions :

  1. Why did they set fire to save the people from the police 
Station ? Isn't it also a first class crime to attack police 
station in USA ?
  2. The fire must be very strong to burn Champa unrecoverable
for a long time . Where could the police hide when they were
threatened and encompassed by these people ?
  3. What were the sizes of the stones Champa used when he tried
" to save people ."? Who killed those policemen during the riots ?
( The murdered policemen's names can be found in chinese 
newspapers , not in Dailai Lama's newspapers .)
  4. Isn't it possible that Champa lost all the hope to his
cause , thus seeking to the suicide ? If not , isn't it possible
that someone else killed him for , say , for personal reason ? 
  5. Isn't it too unskillful to murder politicaly a common monk
with " blood all over " , and then left the scene untidy ?

No further questions .

I am really impressed by the beatiful words used in the long story 
" The death of a monk " . But I think I did get some information
about Champa and his pales' styles . I hope I can read some more 
such a kind of stories , even though they may use too many noble , 
good-looking words .

May the Savior give Champa a gentle personality next time , and thus
he may become a good monk .
From: SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: cease fire
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:16:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


HI, EVERYONE IN THE NET!  Can we cease fire for a week?!

SCC LOOKS LIKE A BATTLE FIELD FOR ME. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EMOTIONLY
DEFENDING SOME POLITICAL VIEW, BUT THE SMOOK IS TOO MUCH AND I HOPE
EVERYONE INVOVED IN THE DEBATE CAN COOL DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
        HOW ABOUT DISCUSS SOME FOLK'S SONGS?
From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Donkey is trying to stir up fuss again!
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:21:31 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.132001.10387@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
|> In article <204813@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> <
|> <I haven't heard any report of flood money from IFCSS. What is happening?
|> 
|> Time for another lawsuit, I say.
|> 
|> 					--Scott

     If this donkey wants to have lawsuit against IFCSS, do yourself. Don't
try to stir up fuss.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Warning! Russia and Chinese in Russia
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:36:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.180858.20778@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fsyang@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Zhigang Yang) writes:
>The following article appeared on Chinese Computer Network.
>I take the liberty forwarding it to SCC, in the hope that it
>might be of interest to a larger audience and it privides us
>some information on the situation in Russia.
>
>ZY
>===========================================================
>Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:30:06 +0300
>Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>From: Qin Zhengdi <qzd@TKO.VTT.FI>
>Subject:      Warning
>
>                       !!!! Warning !!!!
>
>
>	This is a warning message for those who are intend to
>visit China via. Moscow by train.
>
>	We got an SOS message from USSR last night that the
>situation there is  getting much more out of control now.
>Nobody safe, specially to Chinese business vagrants ( I don't
>know if this is a correct word, but the Chinese name is Dao3
>Ye2 ). Some were killed. There are some fights inside Chinese
>people. A Russian could be employed by one Chinese to kill
>another Chinese for a prize only about 50 US$.
I am a Chinese. I do not have interest to kill another Chinese.
Why one Chinese wants to kill another Chinese when they are in Russia?
>
>	Be careful about your trip to USSR. Russians don't like
>Chinese and even the Chinese there don't like you to sell
>something. If you think it is really valuable to you to visit
>China by train, try go strait forward. Don't stay there any
There is a new rail way open soon---from LianYunGan to Holland.(EuroAsia Bridge)
. It must fun to go along this rail way.
>longer. If you have a GOOD friend, that will be much help.
>
>
>
>CAL ( Qin Zhengdi  from Finland )
From: yu@GAUSS.CASR.FAU.EDU (Jinshou Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Appeal to Help a Suffered Family
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:58:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gauss.9204070358.AA08341



                     Appeal To Help A Suffered Family


Dear Netters:

    This is to appeal for helping Mr. Lu Jian-Qiang and his family who had a
major traffic accident recently.

    Mr. Lu, who was from Hunan, China and graduated from University of
Science and Technology of China, is now a graduate student in the Ocean 
Engineering Department of Florida Atlantic University. With his wife and 
a 2-years-old child, he has been striving hard financially to start life 
in U.S. and to return the borrowed money for the "Education Compensation 
Fee" stipulated by the Chinese government. Since his graduate financial 
support, which barely keep his life so far, will be stopped this month, he 
borrowed some money from his friends and bought a used car so that he could
find an off-campus job to support life. Unfortunately, the accident occured
not long after he learned driving.

    All the family members were injured in the accident. Lu's wife, with
serious surgical traumas and kidney injury, needs a long time to recover. 
Lu himself is at least unable to work for a period. His bank balance is now
almost zero. His car was ruined in the accident. In great agony both 
physically and mentaly, Lu and his wife feel helpless and are deeply worring
about their future.

    Since the family will have no income for quite a long period, we have
appealed to raise money through donation in Chinese students and scholars
here at FAU. In addition, we appeal here to our dear netters to reach out 
your hand to the deeply suffered family. We appeal to our dear netters to
show concern and give humanitarian help to the suffered family so that it 
may meet basic life requirements.

    A temporary donation committee has been formed which composed of
Zaiwu Wu, Jinshou Yu and Handong Wang. The committee will anounce the 
donation results from time to time. Please make your checks payable to 
Jianqiang Lu and mail to 

	Jinshou Yu
	Center for Applied Stochastics Research
	Florida Atlantic Univ.
	Boca Raton, FL 33431
	USA


    The  phone No. for the above committee members are:

    Jinshou Yu,   	(407)367-2653(O)/(407)338-6537(H),
			 e-mail: yu@gauss.casr.fau.edu ;

    Handong Wang, 	(407)367-2831(O)/(407)393-2754(H),
 			 e-mail: h_wang@gauss.casr.fau.edu.

    Zaiwu Wu,   	(407)367-2835(O)/(407)391-3506(H);


 
    Thank you very much.





    The United Association of Chinese Students and Scholars 
              Florida Atlantic University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:17:27 GMT

In <1992Apr12.223842.21974@descartes.waterloo.edu> cyeh@descartes.waterloo.edu (Woody) writes:

>In article <wangf.703106206@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>>In <1992Apr12.165040.4001@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>>
>>>In article <!26t1r#@rpi.edu> leecj@cs.rpi.edu (Ching-ju Ashraf Lee) writes:
>>>>Pat H. Yang
>>
>>>	April 4, 1992	:)   (not lunar calendar, of course.)
>>
>>
>>We have Qing Ming for more than thousand years.  If it does not
>>follow lunar (or Chinese calennar), what calendar does it  follow? And why?
>>The term 'of course' does not sound clear to a fool like me.
>>
>>F. Wang

>	In Chinese calendar, 24 Jie2 Qi4 are based on sun's motion (I know 
>how solar system works. Don't be picky on this please.).
>	Qing1 Ming2 is belong to 12 Jie2. So it is always located on April
>5th. But this year is a leap year, so it become April 4th.
>-- 

Thanks a lot!  Now, the fool has more q's.  I thought Yin1 li4 is 
lunar canlender (actually, a net pointed two weeks ago the yin li---
Chinese calender is neither lunar nor solar calender) and yang2 li4 is
solar calender.  Now, forget the terms lunar or solar, the yin1 li4 and
yang2 li4 really confuse me.  I don't understand why Jan. 1 in yin li 
varies a lot in yang li but qin ming counted from yin li does no change
in yang li unless in leap year. 

F. Wang




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is it the fault of those killed?
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

Shannon wrote:
>
>	2.  I myself had been excercising my freedom of speech in Beijing for
>	    years and they never "simply arrest" me.  But I want to tell you, 
>	    some FUCKED-UP professors at my university (in Beijing) tried to 
>	    screw me very hard.  	
>
In article <1992Apr14.201518.13653@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>
>     These "FUCKED-UP" professors are small party bosses. 
>   
>     Shannon was homeless after he had a fight with a some party bosses.
>   No salary at all.

Now, Shannon, are you insisting that the party tolerated your exercising
of lawful freedom of speech?

I just can't image how a person can be so softbone that he still apologizes
for CCP after beging put into such a miserable situation. Form now on,
Shannon deserve another title: Qu:3 Xiao4 Jr.

Hao
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 16:12:00 EDT
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: People's Representative? (Re: China & HK News

>>
>>Sichuan Governor Mr Zhang Haoruo, who voted
>>for the project, said he supported the plan although the
>>majority of Sichuanese were against the project.
>>
>
>Is this the Sichuan people's representive?
>He is more like the central gevonment's representive.
>Interesting!
>
>F. Wang

I can see F. Wang is not from mainland China or (s)he has no idea how those
chinese governors were picked up and what those governors are for.
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:08:13 GMT
	<1992Apr10.180536.11036@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<1992Apr11.002859.9825@cs.yale.edu>
	<1992Apr13.135037.8635@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10

In article <1992Apr13.135037.8635@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> 
kniaz@cat5.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:

   In article <1992Apr11.002859.9825@cs.yale.edu> 
   horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
   >In article <1992Apr10.180536.11036@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, 
   >xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
   ><In article <11APR199200391838@vxcrna.cern.ch> yang@vsoph8.cern.ch 
   ><writes:

   ><I think you are an idiot! 
   >
   >Then I think you are an idiot.


	   Wow!   With this kind of insightful debating, perhaps you too
	   should run for public office...

Don't put that thought in their heads !!!!!!  

We're in deep enough slime in this country woith the likes of Bush, 
Clinton, Buchanon, and good old Jerry Brown slugging it out for high 
office.  Imagine the 'Citizens for Scott Horne' ..... Brrrrrr ...

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: csci115d@cl2.cl.uh.edu
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Reply-To: CSCI115D@cl.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston - Clear Lake
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:53:00 GMT

This is a test.  Please ignore.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Police Open Fire on Protest
Date: 26 Mar 92 08:49:53 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <kst306INN1hs@sal-sun82.usc.edu> zyou@sal-sun82.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>  Good! 
>  Tibet is perment part of China. Whoever dares to promote independence
>  will be handled either peacefully or violently according to the nature
>  of his behavior.

If you want to punish the people who are promoting Tibet independence,
then you should punish the police who fired the shots.  By threatening
peaceful demonstrators, they have done much to promote Tibet
independence.

If you want to stop Tibetan independence, then you should ask the
demonstrators why they support it.  After you have listened to their
complaints, try your best to fix them.

>>The crowd shouted slogans calling for "independence for Tibet",
>
>  Forget it.

If the PRC keeps shooting at peaceful demonstrators, then eventually
there will be so much hatred that it will be impossible for the PRC to
govern Tibet.

>  Yeah, Be realistic.
>  China is different from former Soviet Union. Chinese people will
>  not tolorate a soft government. Any independent movement inside
>  China will be crashed relentlessly.

Good grief.  I hope that there is more sense among Chinese people than
to do something stupid like this.  People protest because they are
upset at something.  Responding to their protests by force will
ultimately fail and result in your government being overthrown.  A far
better response is to listen and try to address the concerns of the
protestors.

These facts were first pointed out by Confucius and Lao-Tze several
thousand years ago.  I'm surprised that some people still haven't
gotten the message.