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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:50:51 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
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>While I agree with Watterson's philosophy about not merchandising C&H,
>I've never been sure if he's equally opposed to an animated version.

>I personally don't view animation as cheapening the strip.
>Any responses?
-----
>As long as Watterson writes the script for it, anyhow, it would
>probably be a Good Thing.

well, he probably wouldn't view it as cheapening the strip, but i don't
think he'd do it. Just think about it: he won't do merchandising because
it would shatter the reality/unreality of the strip. Animating the strip
calls for voices which, invariably, will not match someone's idea of the
"proper" voice for the characters (because the "voice" of each character
is usually your own--inside your head) and hence would also ruin the
unreality of the strip.....it would take away from the sort of
"everychild" personality of Calvin and make him more of a specific
entity.

I know I understand what I just said but does that make sense to anyone
else? :)

--Vernon.
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From: rosk@rillonia.ssc.gov (Robert Skegg)
Subject: Looking for Archies/Sugar sugar.
Followup-To: rosk@rillonia.ssc.gov
Summary: Where can I get this?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:26:18 GMT

Anyone know where I can get a copy (video tape) of the TV(?) cartoon 
sequence of The Archies performing Sugar Sugar (Late 1969) ?

Robert Skegg.
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From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Non Sequiter
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:57:26 GMT
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny) says:

>Does anyone out there read this?
>We get it in the Boston Globe and between the humour and
>the artwork, it's got to be the best strip going.....
>
>BAR NONE!!!!!
>


Agreed!  The hovering penguin cracks me up every time I see it.  There's
a sophisticated sense to both the art and the humor that I really 
appreciate, sort of like discoverng Fellini's movies back in 1964.  Ah,
those were the days; I and three other people were left out of the
fifty or so present at the start of 8 1/2.  Elitism?  Absolutely!

J. Del Col
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From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Summary: animation can be good
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:36:07 GMT
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Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts

In article <matt.714092103@unidata.ucar.edu> matt@unidata.ucar.edu
	(Matt Hicks) writes:
>>While I agree with Watterson's philosophy about not merchandising C&H,
>>I've never been sure if he's equally opposed to an animated version.

>I think it might be hard to make a half-hour of Calvin's personality
>tolerable. The danger is that he would go from cute and thought provoking
>to being a Dennis-the-Menace type of obnoxious brat.

Have you seen Bobby's World?
It's based on Howie Mandel's character Bobby.
It's the adventures from the hyperactive imagination of a little boy
that turns anything into an adventure.
Each episode is self contained.
Bobby interacts with family members who respect his imagination,
and many that don't.
With Ren and Stimpy as a precedent, perhaps the meal scenes and
other gross things will get on the air.

As to merchandising, I agree that some things must be left to the
imagination.
No doll can possible be as thoughtful, playful, rugged
and snuggly as Hobbes is in the comic.

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@synsys.uucp
From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Non Sequiter
Summary: ..and Farcus
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:30:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug13.140102.3070@cc.umontreal.ca> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes (in part):
>In article <m14430.713557678@mwunix> m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson) writes:
>>>>Does anyone out there read this?
>
>Count the Saturday Montreal Gazette as another newspaper with taste in comics.
>
>Well actually...  altho' we get some of the good stuff like C&H, FBFW, the
>classics and Farcus (Anyone else read this?  If you're in the business world -
>and even if you're not - this is a REALLY funny strip), we also get the
>rejects.  

The NY Daily News runs NS - I like it.

The News is also running Farcus in place of Herman - I'm slowly getting into it.

Helena Robinson
AT&T 
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From: ray@gyro.exicom.oz.au (Ray Soo)
Subject: Is there a Calvin & Hobbes archive site out there?
Reply-To: ray@exicom.OZ.AU (Ray)
Organization: Exicom (Aust) Pty Ltd
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:48:34 GMT

I'm new to this group, but is /are there sites on the Internet
which hold Calvin and Hobbes information of any kind?
(discussions, picture files etc.)?

Replies to ray@exicom.OZ.AU 

thanks in advance,

ray
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Any good one-box comics?
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:07:36 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

The Los Angeles Times publishes a one-box comic called "In the Bleachers." The
writer/artist draws a lot of things for the Times. I find it to be one of the
funniest strips I've ever read. It only comes out a few days a week and is 
always about sports.

h.
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Real Life?
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:16:51 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Is this Stan Mack's Real Life Adventures?  If so, it runs in the Funny
Times, I believe, as a break so you don't spend too much time laughing
at the magazine.

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: worst comic strip
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:32:22 GMT

In article <DAVEL.92Aug20172755@homxc.ATT.COM> davel@homxc.ATT.COM (David Loewenstern) writes:
>... On 19 Aug 92 01:58:28 GMT, fsg@holos0.uucp (Frank Glass) said:
>
>} I've been following this discussion of the worst comic strips with some
>} interest, and although I've not seen Leescapes or Real Life Experiences,
>} I can't even imagine anything worse than David Lynch's "The Angriest
>} Dog in the World".  Anyone familiar with it disagree?  Is there some point
>} to it that I'm missing?
>
>Yes, I'm familiar with it, and no, I can't imagine a worse comic strip
>(although _Ernie Pook's Comeek_ comes close, and I've never seen
>_Leescapes_).
>
I haven't seen the strip, but ig but if it is worse than the
Flintstone's (continually unfunny and occasionally sexist) and Henry
(Die, you miserably bald headed TWIT!!! Had to say that) then it must be
pretty awful.

BTW, would anyone like to help me convince them to get rid of this
garbage for something funny, like Foxtrot? They only recently picked up
Calvin & Hobbes. Shows how dense they are.
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Curious Avenue (Was: Re: Leescapes)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <mcirvin.714169969@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>I haven't seen the strip [Curious Avenue], but I've always liked Toles's political
>cartoons, part of the charm of which is the... shall we say...
>unique artwork.  By the end of Reagan's second term, lots of cartoon
>Reagans had become somewhat exaggerated, but Toles's Reagan was a
>prizewinner in that regard, with hair projections resembling antlers.
>His George Bush is far outside the normal parameter space of human 
>head shapes.
>
>-- 
>Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA 

Tole's art is interesting, all right:  the characters all have nearly featureless
oversized heads with tiny bodies, and they're drawn with thick brushstrokes.
Hmmm, I supposed that could almost describe _any_ cartoonish comic strip, but
there is _something_ that makes "CA" different.  It's not C&H, but good stuff, IMO.
--
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From: gaetz@julian.uwo.ca (Terry Gaetz)
Subject: Re: Any good one-box comics?
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy, Univ. of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:39:43 GMT

Do any other areas get "Horrorscope" by Olson & Kelso?  They're syndicated
by the Toronto Star.  The panels combine captions along the lines of 
horoscope listings together with an (occasionally gruesome) panel giving 
a horrific twist on the caption.

Example:  Panel shows a twisty mountain highway with skidmarks leading 
through a guardrail; indications are that a car has just gone over the 
precipice.  Two mountain sheep standing in the road are watching.  
Caption:  "Your ability to get to the bottom of things will be noted.  
           Aries figures prominently."  

(Well, _I_ liked it...)
--
Terry Gaetz  --  gaetz@julian.uwo.ca    <-- being phased out
                 gaetz@cfa.harvard.edu  <-- preferable
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From: mburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Burton)
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:42:29 GMT

   Arthur C. Adams wrote:

 > While I agree with Watterson's philosophy about not merchandising C&H,
 > I've never been sure if he's equally opposed to an animated version.

   I got to meet him a few years ago.  At that time, he said he was still
considering proposals for an animated version, but it was clear he wasn't
ready to rush into it.  One of his concerns was how Hobbes' voice would be
done in an animated version.
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Leescapes
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:14:37 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <2277@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:

>Is this the biggest waste of newspaper space ever?
>

I beg your pardon? I find Leescapes to be brimming over with well thought
out humor, and a supreme level of wit rarely seen these days. It should
be the model that all aspiring comic strip artists look up to while
pursuing their dreams..............

Bah ha ha ha ha ha !!!

Seriously,...
IT SUCKS!!!

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From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Subject: Long Sam and other nostalgia
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:32:54 GMT


	Many years ago my father and I used to follow a strip called
Long Sam in the now also defunct Cleveland Press.  Who did this strip?
What ever became of it?  Was it ever collected?

I also want to know who drew The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.  I can
remember the names of the brothers--Fat Freddie, Phineas and Free-Wheelin'
Frank, but I can't remeber the name of the cartoonist.  I believe he 
also drew Wonder Warthog, a parody of superhero strips.

J. Del Col
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Non Sequiter, LeeScapes, Real Life (was Re: Non Sequiter)
Date: 13 Aug 1992 21:06:55 -0700
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In article <1992Aug13.140102.3070@cc.umontreal.ca> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes:
>In article <m14430.713557678@mwunix> m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson) writes:
>>>>[Regarding the newspaper strip "Non Sequiter"]
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone out there read this?
>>>
>>>     Yeah, we get it in the Sunday San Francisco Chronicle...
>>
>>Washington Post too...
>
>Count the Saturday Montreal Gazette as another newspaper with taste in comics.

  Los Angeles Times as well. I like NS; a slightly quirky sense of humor,
with good (above-average) art to make it enjoyable.

>In particular, since Jim Unger decided to go on leave, the Gazette has been 
>running this dumb-*ss strip called "Real Life Adventures".  Am I the
>only one to think that this is the lamest piece of work ever put on a
>newspaper page?

  I have to disagree. "Real Life Adventures" runs in the Times as well (it
alternated with "In the Bleachers"), and I find it moderate at times, and
really funny in others. The strip earns its name -- some of those things
really DO happen to you in real life -- and that's when it really kicks.

  On the other hand, at about the same time "Non Sequiter" started, the Times
has also been running "Leescapes" (alternating with "Bizzarro") and something
called "Bound and Gagged". B&G gets my #1 vote for Worst New Strip of 1992 --
it has juvenile art, amateurish humor, and contributes nothing that NS and
"The Far Side" don't already accomplish. Right behind it in the stinker
department is the oft-bashed-here "Leescapes", though I have to say that LS is
only the SECOND-worst new strip out there...

  (Heck, throw 'em both out and run "Foxtrot" and "Overboard", and I'd be a
happy camper. FT, Overboard, Calvin & Hobbes, Baby Blues, Jumpstart...Well, I
can dream, can't I?)

                                                --R.J.
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From: schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara)
Subject: Re: Real Life
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:49:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.092257.58199@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
>rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:
>> duperval@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Duperval Laurent) writes:
>>>In particular, since Jim Unger decided to go on leave, the Gazette has been 
>>>running this dumb-*ss strip called "Real Life Adventures".  Am I the
>>>only one to think that this is the lamest piece of work ever put on a
>>>newspaper page?
>> 

>
>     The strip is boring to me too, though I wouldn't call it the
>lamest.  I'd generally reserve that title for "Family Circus."
>-- 

It's a close call, but I think Fred Basset takes the grand prize.
It's as if the artist forgets to draw the last panel, the one with the
punchline, every single day.  My roommates and I are trying a (rather
silly) experiment, in which we cut out all the frames of all the  Fred
Bassets over the last few weeks and rearrange them to make them funny.
We actually came up with an almost funny one in which the dog attacks his
owner for no apparent reason.  Oh well...
  
I do like Fusco Brothers and Mr. Boffo, though--they're often quite
funny in a surreal way.

-- 
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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Leescapes
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:48:24 GMT
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <23585@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark
Jeantheau) says:
>
>My answer is:  *nothing* is as bad as Marmaduke.  But I definitely haven't
>seen anything worthwhile there yet...
>
     There was an ad in my hometown a handful of years back that I still can't
forget... It was one of those people-on-the-street testimonial ads, where
they ask something like, "Why do *you* subscribe to the Times?"  The final
clip was this older woman who chortled, "I get it just to read Marmaduke...
That dog is so crazy!  [laughter as ad fades]"
     I just sat there for like a minute staring in disbelief at the screen.

Brett
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From: zgilbert@epas.utoronto.ca (Zvi Gilbert)
Subject: BIZARRO (was Re: Non Sequiter, LeeScapes, Real Life)
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:05:17 GMT

otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:
>	...(alternating with "Bizzarro")...
>
>Talking of which, how do you like it ?
>
>I think it's quite funny, though at times it seems to suffer from
>"Far Side" envy

I think that Bizarro is the funniest one-panel strip ever.  Much
better than the Far Side, especially the recent Far Sides, which are
mostly so devoid of wit or originality that they are close to forming the
dreaded HumourBlackHole from which no laughter can escape (ex: the last
thing you see of an angry elephant ... huh huh huh...)

The Toronto Globe and Mail runs them side by side, and I must say that
The Far Side usually suffers by the comparison.

--Zvi Gilbert
zgilbert@epas.utoronto.ca	"It's a small world...
	@epas.toronto.edu	 ...but I wouldn't want to paint it." -SW
From: fsg@holos0.uucp (Frank Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: worst comic strip
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:58:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: holos0.1992Aug19.015828.958
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Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

I've been following this discussion of the worst comic strips with some
interest, and although I've not seen Leescapes or Real Life Experiences,
I can't even imagine anything worse than David Lynch's "The Angriest
Dog in the World".  Anyone familiar with it disagree?  Is there some point
to it that I'm missing?
-- 
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Holos Software, Inc. 
Atlanta, Georgia  USA
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From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: Any good one-box comics?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:38:37 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug21.084409.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
|> Ha, you beat me to this. Actually there are two one box strips that I will 
|> recommend and I'm wondering who knows the artist for each of them.
|> 
|> Guindon
|> 
|> The Neighborhood


The Neighborhood was drawn by Jerry van Amerongen, but he stopped doing
it, in order to start a new strip, called Ballard Street.  (I've never
seen it.)

You won't find a better one-box strip than Bizarro, though.
The artist's last name is Pirarro.

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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Leescapes
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:33:58 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Aug12.151028.11970@newshost.unh.edu> sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny) writes:
>
>Being in an area that dosn't get this, what would you compare it
>to? Marmaduke? FC?????

It's a single panel strip. I don't think it's a Far-Side wannabe, because
the subject matter of the (very) few I've seen isn't quite as silly.
On the other hand, it doesn't compare to FC or Marmaduke because
the strip doesn't revolve around one set of characters. It's called
'Leescapes' because the artist's last name is Lee. The artistry compares 
to that of a ten year old. 

As an example, here was yesterdays: The boss is sitting behind his desk,
his employee is standing on the other side, looking at two picture
frames on the corner of the boss's desk. The employee says, "That's a
nice family you have" (or something - I'm going from memory). The boss
replies, "That's my wife and son." The supposed joke is that the frames
don't contain pictures - there are two people, a woman and a small boy,
kneeling at the desk holding their heads inside the boundaries of the
frames.

Puhlease.

Lee also does something which *really* irritates me whenver a strip
artist does it - he bold faces the "key" words just to make sure the
ignoramus reader understands things. In the one desribed above, the
words "family", "wife", and "son" are boldfaced. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Tomorrow, I'll post today's strip - I won't see it until I get home.
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: QUIZ: A cartoon's best friend
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:53:28 GMT

jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>>
>>                1. Peanuts.......................Snoopy
>>                2. Garfield......................Odie
>>                3. Blondie.......................Daisy
>>                4. Little Orphan Annie (Annie)...Sandy
>>                5. The Family Circus.............Barfy & Sam
>>                6. Hagar the Horrible............Snert
>>                7. Dennis the Menace.............Ruff
>>                8. For Better or Worse...........????

                                                   Farley...

>>                9. Cathy.........................Electra
>>               10. Ziggy.........................Fuzz

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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:43:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond

While I agree with Watterson's philosophy about not merchandising C&H,
I've never been sure if he's equally opposed to an animated version.

I personally don't view animation as cheapening the strip.

Any responses?
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
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