HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clg1824@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Theresa C. L.  )
Subject: test
Summary: test
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:48:40 GMT
Keywords: test

Hi, this is only a test.  
-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: terry@liaison.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Terry Teng)
Subject: The real story 
Reply-To: terry@gio_pn.b10.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville Al.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:48:22 GMT

|> In article <1993Jan19.190234.16700@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Cheng
heng Kao) writes:
|> [ story about the shooting death of a squirrel which might be eaten afterward

|>   by a high school student]
|> >
|> >This story is about a squirrel, but it tell
|> >you a lot about the people in taiwan.
|>
|> Being one from Taiwan yourself, you are a better example of Taiwanese
|> than the story you wrote above.  Obviously you haven't seen the real
|> world very much yet.  Even the animal-right group in the US would not
|> cry foul concerning your story.
|>
|> Here is a real story about animal abuse/torture: a lovely donkey in a
|> park was beaten and strangled to death by 3 men.
|>
|> The event happened in one of the most-livable citiest in the US.  Does
|> it "say a lot about the people" in US?
|>
|> Chuan Lee
|> U of Washington, Seattle.

My personal opinions are:

  1. "Two wrong things do not make a right thing"

  2. The realy world/story is:

     A squirrel in Taipei has little chance to see the sun rise for tomorrow.
     A squirrel in most cities of US has better chance to live until she/he
     dies naturally.

     It's very easy to test this.(but I don't think anyone will like to waste a
     life of a squirrel to do this experiment in Taipei/Taichung/Kaoshung ..etc)

  3. It might has nothing to do with the people or animal-right in these two
     different countries.
     BUT, it IS the real world/reality/story so far.
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.054806.18486@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes...
> 
>How can you like this guy when you know he is the first person who played
>Kongfu in the Legislature Yuan? I remember he also said something like
>"Politics is simply a subtle way to cheat." Li Au also criticized Chu for
>kicking a policewoman's butt. In my opinion he is not only imperfect,
>but disgusting and classless. 
> 
>-- Chien-Chung Chen


Unfortunately, sometimes, nothing else but those disgusting and classless 
means work. Compared to blood-shedding revolution or stay-where-we-are-
and-wait-for-the-dooms-day, these means are much more favorable.
From: tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who can be the President of ROC?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:42:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C1HAuw.AsD.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

>While we are talking about how the President is doing his 
>job, maybe we can take one step further.  What do you want 
>the President to do in his job?  Whom will you vote for if 
>we can vote for our own President tomorrow?
>
>I can make up a wish list quickly but I have a hard time 
>identifying a candidate.  Am I the only one having this 
>problem?
>
>Eric

Being in the U.S. it's not an easy task to know the politicians in
Taiwan, and to understand their actions. Maybe that's why you are 
finding difficulties.

Tsen
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: leus2@aix.rpi.edu (Sheua-Wan Leu)
Subject: looking for a friend in Taiwan
Keywords: Tamkang,Taiwan
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:18:59 GMT

I  lost contact with one of my friend at Tamkang University (Tamsui,Taipei).
I believe he is working on his MS degree(Mechanical). His name is
Yeh Chi Wei ( Yeh is  his last name). I  think he can access internet now.
If someone out  there  knows he,  please   tell me his email address. So  I 
can email him.

Sheua-wan Leu @rpi
email-> leus@rpi.edu
From: tsai@Veritas.COM (Cary Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: About the "ROC (Taiwan) Job Information System"
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:54:14 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

I believe many soc.culture.taiwan readers would appreciate if some
one can post the job list (extracted from the CCNAA BBS), and
update it periodicaly. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:23:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.222408.24080@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>I am from Taiwan. I usually fly with United because United flies five 
>Continents so the mileage I have accumulated can be used for those areas and 
>the service is fine. Unfortunately, China Airline's mileage plan does not 
>seem to be very useful, otherwise, I would certainly consider to take it.
>
>As to "patriotism", Sometimes I think too much patriotism can only hurt 
>ourselves. If Americans only buy American cars because of patriotism then 
>those three automakers might have never improved the quality of their cars.
>
You're right. Anything with "too" in front of it is not good (think
about it!) 

Greetings,
MCR 1/22/93
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,alt.chinese.text
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:27:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan27.121106.12620@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com 
(Tom Li) writes:
>Then Mr. Iunn, the original poster, started to tell his experience about 
>meeting with a Chinese Indonesian. Apparently, that guy said he is a Chinese 
>but Mr. Iunn said I consider you Indonesian. That guy felt insult which 
>I think it is silly. But the anger most likely came from being denied as 
>a Chinese but not identified as an Indonesian. It is not clearly whether
>that guy feel shame being an Indonesian. 

I would like to apologize if I didn't make it clear.   The person I met in
USC did know very well that I consider him ethnical Chinese.  I never
deny him as Chinese Indonesian.   The way that he tried to dissociate
himself with the place he was born and raised prompt me to give out the
suggestion that he should indentify himself with Idonesian.  Apparently,
this suggestion insulted him.

In article <1993Jan27.121106.12620@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com 
(Tom Li) writes:
>I dont know what Mr. Iunn is trying to do and his intention of cross-posting, 
>but I would like to ask the readers to read and responded the article 
>carefully. The racial tension is the last thing we want to see.

If the above statement of Mr. Tom Li is to imply that my mentioning of
the incident is to stur up the racial tension between Indonesian, then
Mr. George Holliday who video-taped the infamous Rodney King beating
should be blamed for the LA riot.  After all, those racist policemen
are just a very small minority inside LAPD.  Mr. Holliday shouldn't have 
taped the incident and given the tape to the TV station which sturs up 
the racial tension.

According to Mr. Tom Li's logic, those who report the wrongdoing should
be blamed, not those who committed it.

The reason of my cross-posting to alt.culture.indonesia is simply.  It
is related to the people of Indonesia.

In article <1993Jan27.121106.12620@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com
(Tom Li) writes:
>And I hope Chinese Indo or Chinese Mayla or others can get along with the 
>native people. 

If you were born in Indonesia, you ARE native Indonesian.  You should
identify yourself with the land and contribute yourself.  If there is
any injustice, including racial ones, organize yourself to fight against
them.
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:30:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan24.233351.5325@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes...
>
>Chu has been a comrade of no one.  He's way too unreasonable, IMO.  He broke
>away from the DPP at the height of his popularity, and now, he couldn't even
>come in first in his home county.  (But I am digressing.)

No one can hold on the first forever, particurlarly he does not have a strong 
party support. But I remember there was dispute within DPP, and DPP wanted 
put party discipline on Chu. Chu declined and broke away from DPP. Personally
I like this guy, particularly his efforts to "retire" those veteran 
legislators. Certainly he is not perfect either.

>I disagree.  These prime ministers have all been pressed on him, pretty much,
>by the other factions within the party.  It's only natural that he'd want to
>look for someone not against him.

When old Chiang died, Chiang Jing-Kuo's people took over all important 
positions within KMT and government and old-Chinag's people stepped side. 
That was "strong man" era. But Lee does not have his own people (otherwise 
Chiang Jing-Kuo would never have chosen him in the first place) and has to 
rely on those veteran KMTers support, certainly he has tougher time than his 
predecessor. I think it is good at least the "strong man" era has ended and
democratic reform within KMT will be started soon.

>Because the losses were probably not his fault?

Certainly not all his fault, But as KMT chairman, he should say something 
when KMT nominated some so-called "gold-cow" candidates. He also said the
most important for KMT in this election is to win not ideal. I am not sure 
if that is a right statement.

>Lee is hardly a perfect president, but I think you have given him way too
>little credit.  He hasn't really had the support within the party to carry
>out the programs that he would have wanted to carry out (if any).

I think Lee now is more like George Bush's situation, facing different voices
from his party members. I think he should learn to communicate with his party 
members (he seems too quiet to me). I remember someone said Lee is not really 
a politican but more a traditional intellectual. You know usually a 
traditional intellectual has too much self-pride to play politics and "beg" 
for the support, unfortunately that is reality Lee has to face. Lin Yang-Gang 
seems to be a better communicator since he has been through some elections 
and knows what politics is like. Ironically, that probably was the reason 
Chiang Jing-Kuo did not choose him as successor. What a dilemma.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:21:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.172935.5116@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>In article <C15uDK.1F2y@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) wri
>tes:
>>How is the performance of CAAC (isn't this one that insisted virginity
>>on the female flight attendants?)
>
>i can't see any relation between good flight attendants and virgins.  
>do caac personnel authorities still claim this "qualification" now?
>
>some words from my sister, a flight attendant: only asian airline
>companies will emphasize or request so much on appearance of their flight
>attendants, sometimes even take sex as a marketing strategy by manipulating 
>flight attendants, especially female, as sexual objects.
>
	Christine, could you give more details?  What is your
sister doing?  a flight attendant?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hch@CCCA.NCTU.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Subject: Re: About the "ROC (Taiwan) Job Information System"
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:32:21 GMT

Hsi-Chun Wang (hsiwang@usc.edu) wrote:
:
: [deleted...]
:
: The BBS phone number: 212-373-1879 
: For informations and questions: 212-373-1809 Cultural Divission of
: CCNAA in New York.

I think I have others to share with you.

% telnet NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
*or*
% telnet 140.111.3.21
login: hytelnet
(no password needed)
(only vt100 support)

Select:  <TAIWAN> Taiwan (TANet) Resources
(there are some Taiwan local TELNETable resources available)
* For Job Information
Select:  <TWD000> Databases
Select:  <TWD001> Ministry of Education, Computer Center
(then follow the instructions)

One job information database provides by Chin1 Fu3 Hui4 included in this
system.  I guess it will be very useful if you are interested in the job
information in Taiwan.  However, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS A CHINESE BIG-5
SYSTEM.  BIG-5 IS A 8-BIT ENCODE SYSTEM, SO MAKE SURE THAT 8-BIT DATA IS
ABLE TO GET THROUGH.  On UNIX, you have better issue the command 
"stty pass8" before telnet to NCTUCCCA.edu.tw.

Happy Chinese New Year!
--
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
TWNEWS Moderator, NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Maintainer
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17436 soc.culture.china:35055
From: chchen@milton.u.washington.edu (CHEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Show Down
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
Reply-To: chchen@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu


I heard this news from PBS Asia now. It  said that
for the first time in 40 years,  Tchaikovsky Swan Lake was performed 
by the dancers of the mainland central ballet. 
The news said it has been tedious to arrange
those mainland dancers to get into Taiwan. And  finally they make it.

Just before the show was going to start, as a rule we all know,
the national anthem must be sung. However, the mainland dancers insisted
that there should be no singing of that "national anthem". (I 
do not know how the mainland dancers know that  song is the 
forbidden song in their mind; they must have listened to it before
coming to Taiwan so that they knew the song and are able
to prevent from being stealthily  sung by the Taiwanese.)

The way they worked it out is this: the mainland dancers all retreated
outside the performing hall while 2000 Taiwanese sang their national
anthem loudly (maybe) inside the hall.  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:00:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.144519.9995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>	I disagree. "Politics is a subtle way to cheat" is correct.

Let me put it this way:

   While politics *should not* be involved with cheating, nowadays it
   has become a fact that politics *is* a subtle way to cheat.

I guess both of us are happy this way. :)

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17588 alt.culture.indonesia:1015
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:18:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
writes:
> 
>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>                                helplessly associated with people like you)


I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.

I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

P.S.  According to my understanding "Raja" means "King" in Indonesian.
      Correct me if I am wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
Subject: Bad Taiwanese Journalism
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:24:48 EST

Brothers and Sisters:
 
   On 12/16/92, the World Journal (pro-Taiwanese Chinese Newpapers in the US)
headlined "Oversea MAINLAND student killed....." on its first page regarding
the crime committed by Wayne Lo *. It was soon discovered that Wayne Lo was
actually from Taiwan.   The World Journal, in the followup report on the
story appeared on the third page the next day, did not even amention the
mistake they made in the previous report!  I found it to be rather disgusting!
 
* Wayne Lo killed two and hurt several others on a college campus in the
  state of Massachusetts on 12/15/92.
 
   After the University of Iowa killing, instead of treating it as an incident
committed by a problem individual, pro-Taiwanese media was quick to blame it
on communism for systematically creating such a monster killer.
 
  So, now what?
 
  Well, just assume Wayne Lo is a mainlander.  After all, those mainlanders
deserve it all because they are poor.
 
                                   -- not from a mainlander.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:09:48 GMT


In article <C1A5oM.Dqp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
> 
>You can sense Taiwan/Taiwanese showing off wealth, not only among individuals,
>also institions, and even Taiwan government. I got this feeling from reading
>Taiwan's newspaper, listening to it's radio. Do you guys notice  a seris of 
>commercials on behalf of Taiwan on Time magazine? One commercial boasted 
>the Six Year Plan, in term of how much money Taiwan has. Those kind of 
>blantant, clumsy self-serving(I am not sure it serves good), not only about
>wealth, also about "Excellence Made In Taiwan". Some time it became so
>radiculous. Example: One ad says something like Taiwan has stepped into space
>age because Taiwan makes tennis racket with light, enduring material which is
>also used by U.S. spacecraft. Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
>with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32 bits in PC is
>a grad student's term project.
>Taiwan is peculiar, unique on this. It might have some to do with KMT's defeat
>during Civil War. It is so urgent to them to feel recognized, valued. Adding
>to their image more than just losers during the War.

I have not seen those ads so I have no comments. But it has nothing to do with
KMT's defeat during the Civil War, particularly, it was forty years ago. Who
cares and remembers those trivial things (that is why I think you are quite
outdated). Those ads aims for those foreign readers, not you, not me. Also 
old KMT has been dead. If you keep talking the KMT before 1949 frankly you 
are talking to a ghost.

The ads intends to repaint the image of "Made in Taiwan" and Taiwan herself.
Certainly the ads will mention the quality of Taiwan products and Taiwan's
economic status, including our foreign reserves and GNP. Advertising those 
so called "wealth" is to attract business opportunity, and public support 
to Taiwan and the products, what's wrong with that? Is it "show-off" or just 
"business strategy and public relation"? Maybe you feel uncomfortable and 
would think "Those god damn Taiwanese and KMT why they advertise these numbers 
to "show-off" to me? And in the meantime, they refuse to unify with us." But 
think about it whether those feelings are originated from jealousy, resentment,
and worrisome? 

Jealous people in Taiwan doing well? Resent KMT's past? Worry Taiwan getting 
stronger the unification seems to be more further away? 

Then blame these for Taiwanese "show-off" and comfort yourself "oh, that is 
all their faults".

Yes, in every society including China there are always some people very 
superficial. But I think majority of Taiwan people are more interested in 
catching up with Japan and other Western countries in the economic or political 
fields and have little interest to "show-off" to mainlanders unless you guys 
try to challenge on some issues, eg, unification by forces. It is sad, isn't 
it?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:23:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.141653.10700@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>In article <C16pvw.B05@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes...
>>
>>Way to go, United! 
>>(We see that customer binding tricks still win from patriotism!)
>
>Patriotism? When did you see "buy made in USA" really work? Offer good 
>products (or packages) is the way to go.

You seem to have misunderstood my intention here. From your name I
deduced that your are of Chinese origin (right?) and so I would think
that, as a Chinese "patriot" (might sound too strong, sorry), one would
of course fly with a Chinese airline. Instead, you flew with United. 
My statement "Way to go, United was more or less ironic, from that point
of view. It's of course difficulot to express oneself via the net. The
spoken word would allow for better intonation, etc.
>
>>(Hint: get a Mileage-Plus credit card from United. Your miles will add
>>up even faster.)
>
>Mileage-Plus credit card? $50 annual fee plus 19% interest charge. I would 
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That, of course, should be of no influence if you just pay the whole bill
every month, like me. The $50 are really no big deal if you think about
all the free trips I've gotten so far. 

>rather use my ATT universal card, $0 annual fee plus 14% interest charge
>since I am not a regular card user.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah! That explains your stance. In your case I would agree.

MCR 1/21/93
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Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana 47405  
(812)855-9709 (office)  (812)857-6799 (home)  (812)855-6616 (fax)  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:40:45 GMT

In article <C1EE9s.Hy8@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.054806.18486@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes...
>> 
>>How can you like this guy when you know he is the first person who played
>>Kongfu in the Legislature Yuan? I remember he also said something like
>>"Politics is simply a subtle way to cheat." Li Au also criticized Chu for
>>kicking a policewoman's butt. In my opinion he is not only imperfect,
>>but disgusting and classless. 
>> 
>>-- Chien-Chung Chen
>
>
>Unfortunately, sometimes, nothing else but those disgusting and classless 
>means work. Compared to blood-shedding revolution or stay-where-we-are-
>and-wait-for-the-dooms-day, these means are much more favorable.

I really don't understand why playing KongFu and kicking policewoman's butt
is the only way out. Doing such things is as good as destroying the spirit
of democracy.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan