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From: roy@zooks.eng.mcmaster.ca (Roy Underhill)
Subject: Dance weekend in Hamilton
Organization: Dept. of Mech. Eng., McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:33:17 GMT





		Hamilton Country Dancers present their 

                    2ND ANNUAL FALL DANCE WEEKEND

          Friday October 16th and Saturday October 17th, 1992


                                with



                           WILD ASPARAGUS



		All Saints Anglican Church Hall
		corner of King and Queen Streets
		Hamilton, Ontario

Friday 8:30 - 11:30 Dance
Saturday	10:00 - 5:00  Workshops
		 6:30         Dinner
		 8:30 - 11:30 Dance

Workshops include Contra style, Beckett and Unusual formations,
Instrumental "All of Wild Asparagus' Secrets Revealed" and Singing.

For more information please contact:	Susan Oehler (416) 522-0306
					Les Francey  (416) 388-2247
					Dawn Sawford (416) 628-2488
For billeting information please call Diana Kidd  (416) 528-9216

Tickets for evening dances are $15 at the door, if available.




Registration form below 
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TO REGISTER: Mail this form and cheque, payable to Susan Oehler, to 
	Hamilton Country Dancers, 254 Aberdeen Ave, Apt. 5,
	Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, L8P 2P9.



Name:__________________________________________________
             (to be used on name tag)


Address:_______________________________________________


City:______________________  Prov/State:_______________


Postal/Zip:________________  Phone:____________________


Gender     M   F             Dinner: _____  Vegetarian

                                     _____  Roast Beef



Enclosed payment for:          Number      Total 
                              of people    cost


Total weekend    $48.00(Cdn) x _______  =  ________
                 $44.00(US)


Saturday Only    $39.00(Cdn) x _______  =  ________
                 $37.00(US)

Registration must be received no later than 1992, October 1 to
guarantee a place at dinner.   If you register and then wish to
cancel, refunds are not guaranteed after 1992, September 1.

More than one person may be registered but all mailing will be to 
the same address.  Add information for further participants here:


Name:____________________________________________________ 

Gender  M   F         Dinner: ____ Veg.   ____ Roast Beef


Name:____________________________________________________ 

Gender  M   F         Dinner: ____ Veg.   ____ Roast Beef


Name:____________________________________________________ 

Gender  M   F         Dinner: ____ Veg.   ____ Roast Beef


-- 
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
  Roy Underhill,  (416) 525-9140 x4395   roy@zooks.eng.mcmaster.ca 
  Department of Mechanical Engineering,  McMaster University, 
  Hamilton,  Ontario,  Canada            L8S 4L7
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Jig time (was Re: The Folk Process etc.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:12:00 GMT

In article <16407@pitt.UUCP>, dan@codex.com (Dan Breslau) writes...
>Maybe the Folk Process struck yet again; the dance they were doing as
>the Boston Two-Step was very definitely in 2/4 (wouldn't the name 'Two-Step'
>imply 2/4 or 4/4 ?  
No, because there are only two strong beats in a 6/8 measure, with the weak
beat on 4 and 8.  In dances where you make use of the weak beat, like a two-step
or Cotswold morris dance, it becomes syncopation.  In dances where you only 
step on the strong beat, like contras, it feels like 2/4.

Anyway, I think the "two" in Two-Step is the two steps you take on the first
beat, which is twice as many as you take in a One-Step.     

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
From: isaacs@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Stan Isaacs)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:02:41 GMT
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing


> A balkan dancer dances for show also.  Maybe you want to remain
> faithful to authentic regional style and so forth.  You are a member
> of a line of dancers, but the feel is a personal thing, for the most
> part, the physical feel comes from within.  (I know, sometimes a jerk
> will try to rip your pinky finger off, that's not what I mean by feel.)
> 
> (Here's comes the point.)
> A contra dancer isn't dancing for an audience.  Your interaction with
> the whole line is somewhat important also, but contra dancing is a
> feel-thing, how you feel dancing and how you and your partner feel
> dancing together.  Contra dance teachers will say, e.g. when teach a

I agree with most of your post, but have to take issue with your
statement that a "balkan dancer dances for show"!  Perhaps some
individuals do, or perhaps today on the East Coast people do, but
in general, many Balkan dancers dance for exactly the same reason as
contra dancers do.  For the inside feeling.  Think about Serbian
dancers dancing "inside their shoes".  The feeling of dancing for
yourself and/or with a line of dancers moving *together* has exactly
the same sublimity as dancing *together* with a partner, or *together*
with a set.  For some of us, that's what any kind of folk dance is all
about.

  -- Stan Isaacs
From: cd113@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Freim)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: waltz:  how fast is danceable?
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:50:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.18d5rbINNkfh
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


We are also disposed to call attention to
another matter wherein the dancing public
are often times seriously inconvenienced
and annoyed (if not outraged); to wit, the
uneven tempo of the different orchestras.
This fault we are disposed to attribute 
largely to the fact that prompters of 
orchestras that play for dancing are 
virtually directors or managers of the same,
and who as a class are generally very
inferior musicians, and frequently without
the slightest knowledge of the dance.  It
is not to be presumed, therefore, that they
are competent to entertain correct ideas
respecting proper time.  It is desirable 
that something should be done to remedy 
this evil, as very rapid movements on
the part of the dancer are tiresome and
exhaustive.  We therefore offer the 
following suggestions as to time, and
commend them to musicians employed to
play for dancing parties.
 
Measures of Music Per Minute
 
     For Society Waltz, 3/4........70
     For Waltz Galop, 2/4..........65
     For Glide Waltz, 3/4..........60
     For Polka, 2/4................55
     For Polka Redowa, 3/4.........50
     For Schottisch, 2/4...........50
     For Newport, 3/4..............45
     For Quadrilles, 2/4 or 6/8....60
 
 
 
E. Woodward Masters
 
The Standard Dance Album, pp. 37-8
(Boston, 1883)
From: caldwell@astro.as.arizona.edu (Nelson Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: 5/4 Waltz
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:23:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In an earlier article, following up on a discussion of
non-traditional music for dancing (specifically waltzing),
Steve Boylan described how the tune "Take 5" had been altered to be
in 6/4 time rather than its written meter of 5/4. This
change made it possible to waltz in the usual 3 step pattern.
There is a very famous waltz *intentionally* written in 5/4:
the second movement of Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony.  He wrote
that piece mostly to show off, but I wonder if anyone has figured
out how to dance to it.  Anybody ever tried it?
--
caldwell@astro.as.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: RE: Israeli FD in Baltimore/D.C. area?
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:40:00 GMT

In article <schillinger-100992101016@infotech5.med.upenn.edu>, schillinger@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Don Schillinger) writes...
> 
>> I am planning on attending a conference at the end of October in 
>> Baltimore, MD and am interested going folkdancing while I'm there.
>> I will have access to a car, so the D.C. area is also acceptable.
>>
>> Can anyone provide me with the following information:
>> - location(s)
>> - evening of the week
>> - contact name and phone number
>> - typical size/level of the group
> 
>     schillinger@a1.mscf.upenn.edu
>     don@cit.med.upenn.edu

I know the DC area best.  The best group is probably that run by Moshe Shem Tov 
on Thursday nights at Beth Tikva in Rockville, with over 80 people, doing 
intermediate and advanced (all groups have beginners are taught early, then 
higher level, with I/A free dancing afterwards.) On Wednesday nights, Ben Hole
runs a group at the JCC in Rockville, with maybe 40 people.  Tuesday nights, 
try Hillel at U. MD, College Park (small).  Mondays, you have a choice of
Dorothy Solomon's group which will have moved to the Forest Glen Sr. Center,
Silver Spring MD by that time, and Ken Avner's group (small) at Tifereth
Israel, Silver Spring.  Ken also has a group in Baltimore, but I don't remember
which night. 

Phone numbers:
Ken Avner:  (301) 585-6761
Ben Hole:   (202) 966-2470
Dorothy Solomon:  (301) 656-3391  (if I have the right Solomon!)
Moshe Shem Tov:  don't have this handy.  Ask one of the others.

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
From: holcomg@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Gordon Holcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: IFD in Savanah or Hilton Head Island
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:28:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I'm traveling to Savanah and Hilton Head Island September 19-26th.
Any information about IFD groups or events in the area would be
appreciated.

My e-mail address is holcomg@atlantis.cs.orst.edu

Thanks!

Gordon
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: jlb@hounix.org (Joel Breazeale)
Subject: Re: Contras in Houston, Denver week of 9/12-9/17 (Q)?
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:56:12 GMT

In article <bwalls.920911165700@marconi.ee.eng.auburn.edu> bwalls@eng.auburn.edu (Bryan K. Walls) writes:
>I'll be in Houston 9/12-9/16, and Denver 9/17.  Any contra opportunities?
Houston Area Traditional Dance Society dances on Saturdays in two locations.
Call Marcy Holmes at 713/864-6105 or (24 hours) 713/522-8466 -- code #4283.
I hope you found the Saturday dance enjoyable...  The dances in Denver/Boulder
are good too.  Try 303-652-3306 for info.

--Joel
jlb@hounix.org
From: schillinger@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Don Schillinger)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Israeli FD in Baltimore/D.C. area?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:10:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I am planning on attending a conference at the end of October in 
Baltimore, MD and am interested going folkdancing while I'm there.
I will have access to a car, so the D.C. area is also acceptable.

Can anyone provide me with the following information:
- location(s)
- evening of the week
- contact name and phone number
- typical size/level of the group

Thanks you in advance.
From: "71155.174@compuserve.com" <71155.174@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: FiddleHead Festival
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:31:40 GMT

TO:>INTERNET:folk-dancing@cs.pitt.edu


                    Fiddlehead Fall Festival
                          Sept. 18, 19, & 20, 1992
                                     Black Mountain, NC

     Featuring:
               Fresh Fish
                  Steve Zakon
                     Rodney Sutton
                        Richie Stearns
                           Beverly Smith
                              Bob Willoughby
                                 The Jump Off Rockers
                                    Lightin' Wells
                                       Laura Boosinger
                                          Jackie Spector

Three days of traditional & roots music, dance & song. Featuring concerts, 
dances, workshops, kid's programs, & jam sessions.

Located in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina at Camp Merri-mac
in Black Mountain. A comfortable, intimate camp offering wooden dance floors
& workshop spaces, lake, trails and porches all on 150 acres nestled into the
mountainside.

Dances:
     
      Callers - Steve Zakon and Rodney Sutton

      Bands:
               
            Fresh Fish - From New England, Kerry Elkins fronts on fiddle & is
            joined by Jeramiah McLane, Tom Hodgson, & Steve Zakon.

            Richie Stearns, Beverly Smith, and Bob Willoughby -
            Richie, of the Horseflies and Beverly, of the Heartbeats, join
            Bob Willoughby for an innovative, driving old-time and contra
            dance band.

            The Jump Off Rockers - Asheville's Faith Dominy, Travis Stuart,
            Trevor Stuart, and Meridith McIntosh. Great old-time band & one
            of the favorite bands of the region. (Friday night only)

Concerts:

      Lightin' Wells - Blues and Country Blues
      
      Rodney Sutton - Stories, Clogging, Hambone and more

      Fresh Fish - Northern Jigs, reels & surprises

      Jacki Spector - Songs and Games for kids

      Dirty Song Sing Along - Lightnin' and Rodney conduct song swap

    -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

Registration:  
                 Fiddlehead Fall Festival
                 PO Box 1978
                 Asheville, NC   28802-1978
                 704-253-3917
From: pearl@sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: The Folk Process Lives On; or, They Don't Call 'Em "French Fries" in France...
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:20:49 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I believe that the "Boston Two-Step" is actually one of the so-called
English Old-Time dances.  It is well-known to recreational folk dancers,
even in Boston.  The traditional tune is in a sprightly 6/8, whereas 
Norwegian polka is in 4/4 or 2/4.  As you realize, for each time you do
a Boston Two-Step, you have done two Norwegian polkas, so it can be made
to fit the music.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Pearl  **  Stratus Computer, Inc.  **  pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: mind games
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:24 GMT

In article <lashetINNitb@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> scheng@cs.utexas.edu (Sheila Cheng) writes:
>I am riding up what I consider a steep hill, I say to myself,
>"this is crazy. you don't want to do this again. remember how
>bad it feels!!"   However, after the ride, I almost immediately
>forget "how bad it felt".  I remember telling myself to remember

  This is the beauty of interval training.  You go for 3 min and then rest for
2 (in my short ones).  The only good thing is that during the 2 min you forget
how bad you felt during the last 3 min of 'on' time.  I always wonder how it
looks from the outside.  We have a nice little hill here around the town of
Hawksville (I call it a brick wall).  It is 1 min up the steep side (39-23
and pulling on the bars or else you go backwards) and 2 min up the shallow
side (about 1/2 the slope).  Every now and then I feel crazy so I go out and
do about 10 sets of sprints up either side.  The menonites, people who live
there and the ocasional cyclist (pushing their bike up the hill) must think
that we are crazy.  But then the best part is hitting 50+ mph going down
the steep side (usually with a tail wind).
  So no your not crazy.  Just thank a short memory for pain and the short term
goals (blasting down the other side) for your repeated obivous stupidity.
  - Eric
//  I can see a break in the rain clouds.  Maby it will be a dry winter?  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)
Subject: Cold Weather Clothes?
Keywords: clothes
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:48:04 GMT

I have wanted to keep riding my bike for exercise when the weather
turns colder but haven't done so since I was a kid.  I suspect that
there are now outfits made for cyclists to be worn in cold weather.
I'm completely clueless about this subject, so any responses (posted
or made directly to me) would be much appreciated.  What's available
at what cost?  Are the fabrics easily washable?

I also assume the mountain bikes are better equipped for cold weather
riding.  Any recommendations on bikes for riding on semi-snow-covered
roads?  Are fenders back "in" for such purposes?

Thanks again.


-- 

Bruce C. Klopfenstein             |  klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu
Department of Telecommunications  |  klopfenstein@bgsuopie.bitnet
322 West Hall                     |  klopfens@bgsuvax.UUCP
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22489 rec.bicycles.misc:438 rec.bicycles.tech:502
From: hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Looking for a new bike
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:10:11 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada


I'm currently looking for a new bike. What I have in mind is a mountain
bike. However, an alternative is also a Hybrid Mountain bike. My Uses,
mainly riding in the city, with the occaisional ride, say once every two
weeks in the country (rough terrain, unpaved roads, fields).

1) What is the difference between a mountain and a hybrid?
2) What kind would you reccommend within the price range of 200 - 400$(CDN)?

Thanks for your help.


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Peter Choi 			    hfrg@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca  (132.206.51.9)
McGill University        School of Computer Science, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mclement@access.digex.com (Matt Clement)
Subject: Basso Graftek
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:32:14 GMT

For Sale:  Due to a knee injury, I must sell my Basso Graftek, 55cm carbon
fiber bike.  It's got full 600 Ultegra, 2 mavic wheelsets, one sewup, one
clincher.  Seatpost/headset are campy.  Clipless 600 pedals.  A great rider.

Please send e-mail to mclement@digex.com for more info.

BTW, it's got a custom paint job, 11 coats of imron in a black/silver fade.

--Matt

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:46:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc

In article <9209042339.AA22951@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>As I said, this concept raises problems for which I have no solutions but
>I believe that hereditary characteristics are pronounced and strong
>statistically.  Fortunately there are enough exceptions to allow escape
>for the individual.

Really, Jobst, I surprised that you can be so unscientific as soon as
we get off the topic of mechanics.  I guess you would conclude from
the absence of white sprinters on the U.S. Olympic team that whites
are at a genetic disadvantage when it comes to sprinting.  Or that the
dearth of women CEO's implies that women do not have the genes to run
corporations.

I don't blame you for your conclusions since most men (and even many
women) have very little inkling of the depths of sexual conditioning
in our society.  Women are taught from birth that their role in life
is to be dependent on men.  The ideal for a woman is to find and marry
the best man she can.  For a women to be successful in any career is
frowned upon; for a woman to be successful in a "male" field like
engineering is to be stigmatized.  These attitudes have come down to
us over thousands of years.  Even though they are beginning to
change slightly, one must not underestimate their power.

I am not saying that your conclusions are incorrect, just that your
reasoning is flawed.  You cannot make any inferences from statistics
unless you have a control group to compare against.  Unfortunately, no
such control group is possible on this planet.  Maybe in a few
hundred years.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
From: sangster@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: sangster@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

>>I'm heard of men who would rather play with girls than with women?
>>Maybe you are into child molesting?
>>
>>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
>
Unfortunately Mr Brandt's comment is the most extreme example of the arrogance
that I have read since being interested in being involved with this news group.
I also have been the butt of Mr Brandt's "wisdom?", and it put me off being
involved for quite a while.

I suggest that Mr Brandt goes on a long bike tour of outer Mongolia where he
will have no access to modems et al, and considers long and hard the value of
his SHOUTING.
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <92253.080133LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU  
(Cheryl Lynn Lavertu) writes:
> Judith Speck writes:
> 
> >Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to
> >mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale!
> 
> >Take your silly sexist BS someplace else.
> I second that motion!

Well, since no one else seems to be sticking up for Jobst...

It's been a while since I've read any of the stats on male vs. female  
performance on standardized tests, but there were a number of significant  
differences.  I think another posted mentioned that men tend to score  
higher on spatial visualization tests and in math.  (Interestingly, women  
tend to score as high or higher on "intelligence" tests, since they make  
up the difference on language ability, but men's scores have a higher  
variance.  That means men are over-represented both among the  
knuckle-draggers and the very high scoring.  This factiod was central to  
some charges that NY State was discriminating against women in awarding  
scholarships.)

As Jobst mentioned, we notice that animals behave differently depending on  
their sex.

Now, maybe all this is due to environment.  In fact, almost certainly a  
proportion is.  But it certainly gives one pause to think.  Dogmatically  
asserting that ALL differences are due to environment is scientifically  
unwise, no matter how much we might like to believe it. (I'd prefer that  
there be no innate differences, but I'm not persuaded by the evidence I've  
seen.)

Does that mean that women are incapable of ever being mechanics or chess  
GMs or math geniuses?  Of course not.  Individual women will always  
outscore individual men. I've certainly met some women who could smoke me  
at math or stats, and that I'd hire in an instant over me. Even if the  
hypothesis that men and women are different is true, the public policy  
ramifications are nil; individuals should be assessed on their abilities,  
not group membership.  Even if proven, the hypothesis that men and women  
have innately different talents would be only an interesting scientific  
factoid.

Ride bike, treat people as individuals, keep an open mind.
--
Don McGregor| My opinions and my opinions only
drm@esl.com |