HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Hormesis/Homeopathy
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 02:52:29 GMT
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>DATE:   Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:28:24 GMT
>FROM:   Robert Wiegand <wiegand@rtsg.mot.com>
>
>kraus@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Dave Kraus) writes:
>
>>>If they are, it's only because they don't want to overtreat you.  You see,
>>>another principle of homeopathy is that the more dilutions, the stronger the
>>>effect.  According to homeopathy, an 8% solution of anything should have
>>>virtually no effect at all.
>
>>IF dilution strength is the key defining element to homeopathy, I have a
>>hard time believing in homeopathy, although I don't completely count it out.
>
>I would put it stronger than this.
>After all air is the ultimate dilution. It contains traces of *everything*.
>So just breathing should cure you of *everything*.
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Robert Wiegand - Motorola Inc.
>motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net            uunet!motcid!wiegand

Just as it takes 2 Buddhists to change a light bulb, so too does it take 
2 physicians to cure: 
  ,...,.,,
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;;|\..((   -C---->> One to cure, and one not to cure.  And, as we know
;;| >-  `.__),;;    from the golf god,  air is 10% trees.



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From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Homeopathic remedies
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:34:26 GMT
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>DATE:   Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:02:47 GMT
>FROM:   Grant Edwards <grante@aquarius.rosemount.com>
>
>wsadjw@rw6.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys) writes:
>: 
>: It is even not much more irrational than astrology.
>:
>
>Excellent!  
>
>In english that is called being "damned with feigned praise."
>
>--
>Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I want a WESSON OIL

"When needs he must, yet faintly then he praises;
So marreth what he makes, and praising most, dispraises."
	--Phineas Fletcher, _The Purple Island_ [1633], canto 7.
"Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer,
And, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer;"
	--Alexander Pope, _Prologue to Imitations of Horace_, l. 193
  ,...,.,,
 /666;    ',    jim tims
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  , `    ' , >
;;|\..((   -C---->> Just trying to keep things on the up and up. 8^)
;;| >-  `.__),;;

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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Why the sky is blue - again
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:39:22 GMT

zellner@stsci.edu writes:

: But the process is entirely different from Rayleigh scattering.

It's not the same as Rayleigh fading either ;)

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From: e_p@unlinfo.unl.edu (edgar pearlstein)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Psychics' Predictions Fizzle For 1992
Date: 2 Jan 1993 21:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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        A good place to post a copy or the above article is on the public
bulletin board of your local super market.


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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:39:50 GMT

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec21091411@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
>
>Do this: get your self a good (Greek!) Synopsis of the first three
>Gospels and spend some time comparing them.  Then report back to us on
>what you find.

Since I presume that you've already done that, could you please
look up the Greek texts of the Our Father in Luke and Matthew and
tell me if they are identical word for word in Greek.  I would be
most curious and greatful if you could do this... 

>
>     [...]  As I said, IMO it is more accurate to think
>   of them based off of a common source or working document.
>
>And it is my point that your "opinion" does not coincide at all well
>with the facts.

Well I disagree (there's one in every croud :)).  Over the years
there have been many theories to explain why the Synoptic Gospels
are as different and similar to each other as they are.  Each
theory has problems.  Each theory solves a number of problems.  No
reputable text that I know of will make the claim that they are
100% sure that their theory is correct. The current Dual (Tri for
Matthew) Source theory of Q, M(Matthew only) and Mark is the one
that is favored today by most Biblical scholars, but it's by no
means the last theory or the last word on the subject.  The place
where I disagree with this is the assumption that Matthew copied
directly from Mark based on the almost complete correspondence of
Mark's text in Matthew (although not verbatim as I understand it).
I believe that there are other explanations for it such as a
common source document.  If you know something that precludes
this, I'd be happy if you'd tell me about it... 

>
>   >There is _no_ sign that these Gospels are the result of random,
>   >independent creation.
>   Did I ever say they were?  Please reread my texts again...
>
>Fair enough.  "Random" was probably a bad choice on my part.  But it
>seems that the description "independent" is the very core of your argument.
>
>N

Hmm...maybe I'm just not communicating properly, but you still
haven't got it right.  Saying that x number of texts were based on
a common source is a far cry from saying that they were
indepentently written.  Is this clear now?

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From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: wsadjw@urc.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <1hac1cINN4uf@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>
>Though I'm definately NOT an MD or possess anywhere near the education 
>of one, I currently am aware of beta-agonist drugs (Ventolin, Alupent)
>bronchodilaters (Theophylline) and the corticosteroids.
>
>None of these drugs are particularly good for you. I don't want to 
>have to take them, or even continue to have to be an asthmatic.

Asthma isn't good for you either, and by the time you are 50 or 60,
you might find out that emphysema is even more unpleasant.  Ask your
lung doctor about cromoglycates (like Intal or Lomudal).  They reduce
allergic reactions by blocking the IgE receptors on the mest-cells in
the lungs.

JWN


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From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Re: Hoagland? What's the deal?
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Organization: Indiana University Cyclotron Facility, Bloomington, Indiana
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:04:40 GMT

In article <roelle.725121359@uars_mag>, roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) writes...
>graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
> 
>>In article <roelle.724974838@uars_mag>, roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) writes...
>>> 
>>>Even when the inconclusive images are released there would be
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>statements made that they had been "defocused" to hide the (Choose
> 
>>>Curt Roelle
> 
>>Why "inconclusive"?
> 
>Inconclusive from the point of view of those that would have to shell
>out $1 for every $100 bet.  Given that an image clearly shows a pile
>of boulders what's to stop the propagation of a new theory, such as
>destruction of the Martian Sphinx by derilect Russian Cosmospheres
>left on autopilot, or that it was purposely defaced by the Mars people
>who have since gone underground into their hollow planet?  Are those
>boulders or are they stones? 
> 
>Of course this is an exaggeration -- to make a point.  In short,
>you cannot convince all of the people even some of the time.

True.  But hopefully, MO isn't being done to satisfy the paranoid among
us.

At the very least, better images will give _science_ a stronger foothold
to _deny_ that the images are anything but natural.

Of course, they may show otherwise.

But, regardless of the outcome, who cares what the newager's and other
wanna-believes think?

At least someone will finally have real data that backs up one claim
or the other (assuming MO actually gets the images).

Jim Graham 

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From: dickb@bilver.uucp (Dick Biow)
Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:28:20 GMT

When I called Shaeffer's opinion a minority opinion, I was not, as you implied (I think) trying to invalidate it -- just to diminish it into a proper context.
Also to widen perspectives a bit. If you didn't consider the two skulls of
COlumbus an appropiate analogy, try this: An Eniglish scholar has finally
proved that Hamlet was not written by SHakespeare, but by another author
of the same name. As for Luke and Matthew modifying Mark: most scholars
I have read concluded that, since they were addressing different communities,
they stresseed different points so as to address different controversies.
FOr example, the later the work, the less the "humanity" of Jesus is
stressed, and the more his transcenence is expressed. By the time you
get to John (abt. 90 AD) Jesus is always super-human at least. -Dickb.-
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From: kepley@cs.unca.edu (Brad Kepley)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas be
Date: 3 Jan 93 15:11:54 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

>In return, the vatican got 10%(!) of germany's tax money, and a lot of
>dead jews and attheists( russians ) which is undoubtedly what they
>wanted.

I think this is pretty outrageous, can I insult your mother?
Your hatred is showing....
The Vatican hid and protected Jews from the Nazis.  They had an immense fear
of the communists (with good reason) and chose the Nazis as the lesser of
two evils since the Nazis, at least, intended to let the churches survive
under Nazi control whereas the communists were destroying every church they
could get their hands on.  What the Vatican did had nothing to do with 
the Vatican wanting to kill Jews and Atheists, but if you insist that it is,
why don't you balance this with how many Christians were killed by the
Jewish Atheists of the Soviet Union Bolshevic leadership?  Ah...but that
would be politically incorrect. It's okay to be bigoted about Catholics
but not Jews or Atheists.
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: homeopathy (r)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 17:13:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Eliot Gelwan writes, among other points;

>Show me a credible claim of a homeopathic cure of cancer, for example.

I currently am suffering from asthma, not cancer. I'm also not a 
'born again lay-homeopath' and am not intersted in proving to anyone
else that homeopathy works. I'm offering my own limited personal 
experience to anyone who's interested, obviously not you.

Other points you make in your reply I can't argue with, specifically
about asthma being susceptible to mind-body conditions and that asthma
often just disappears. However, I have yet to read a study, or even
an opinion that states asthma disappears because of current therapies
and drugs used in managing asthma.

I do accept the fact that the mysterious disappearance of my asthma
could be totally coincidental, however since this is the time of year
that is the most exacerbating to my asthma this seems unlikely, to me
anyway.

Greg


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From: ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High)
Subject: Re: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV on January Sabattical - Thursdays CBS News Za
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:03:01 GMT

In article <u4TXVB2w165w@dorsai.com> idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington) writes:
>The Thursday CBS Evening News Zap will be discontinued for the month of 
>January.  On February 5 I will continue this ongoing demonstration of my 
>illuminative capabilities.  
>
>I will be at the Atlantic Center for the Arts as a resident composer for 
>the month of January and will not have access to television.  I regret 
>the interruption of the demonstration but my music has to come first 
>sometimes.  
>
>If you would like a text file about my paranormal (supra-normal?) 
>capabilties drop me a line.  Briefly, I've developed the ability to cause 
>broadcasting television cameras to become luminescent.  I meditate on the 
>broadcast and the lens of the broadcasting television camera develops a
>spot of light.  This effect is well known in the media and arts 
>communities.  Many members of the "skeptical community" are aware of
>this phenomenon, too.
> 
>The Thursday CBS Evening News zap is the _only_ proven demonstration of 
>paranormal capabilities.  The public is invited to count the blinks of 
>Dan Rather and the news crew on Wednesdays or Fridays and compare that 
>with the increased number of blinks evident on the Thursday broadcast.
> 
>-- 
>Jeff Harrington        IdEAL ORDER - Curious? - Write for a text file -



Ok, I'm curious. This sounds interesting.      
Please e-mail me a text file to ehigh@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu.












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From: hathaway@stsci.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:29:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.000003.16316@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> "How can I tell who is a Christian?  You don't seem to agree on what a
> Christian is."
> 
Long back-and-forth discussion on the non-definitive nature of the topic 
deleted. 
.. 
> 

>    -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
> 
> Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)


Hey, just because the definition has not shown up on these groups, and 
they fight about it doesn't mean there isn't a practical one.  It has 
often been claimed that the whole shtick is in John 3:16 "For God so 
loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever 
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." 

Everything else is bells and whistles - if you can believe there 
is a God - who had only this one Son, - and this Son actually did 
his thing - well then you've got the immortality prize.  If you 
can swallow this, anything goes.  And the believers milk it for 
all it's worth.  No wonder there is such controversy. 

Wm. Hathaway
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Hoagland? What's the deal?
Date: 27 Dec 1992 11:57:09 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <Bzp1ur.9Hv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
>In article <roelle.724974838@uars_mag>, roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) writes...
>> 
>>Even when the inconclusive images are released there would be
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>statements made that they had been "defocused" to hide the (Choose
>
>>Curt Roelle
>
>Why "inconclusive"?

Well, let's see now:
    1)	It really WAS a face once, but it's eroded since it was built;
    2)	Well, it's not really shaped like a face, but it was designed so that,
	from orbit, it would LOOK like a face.
    3)	Maybe the "pyramids" don't look like pyramids at two-meter resolution,
	but if we could look at them at 2-centimeter resolution, they'd
	obviously be artifacts;
    4)	(This one's for the innumerates out there)  But, given the locations of
	the "pyramids," Hoagland's come up with LOTS of interesting
	correlations.  They MUST have been put where they are intentionally!
Need anybody say more?
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: wsadjw@rw6.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: wsadjw@urc.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <1992Dec27.223832.21360@Princeton.EDU> rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson) writes:
#>
Me:
#>Yuk, how do I hate myself for rejecting unseen an article that might be
#>interesting, and that on Christmas. 
#>
RDN:
#I can see that.  I considered suggesting that you might want to check
#the article, being conveniently located, but didn't do so, assuming you
#could volunteer yourself.  You say there is no news here, but in fact
#there is a difference in having recommendations like those of your
#physiotherapist based on experience or tradition, and the more recent
#controlled studies.  The latter are desirable and help optimize the
#former.  I don't know whether Janssen's study is very high quality or
#not, but I do know its claimed results comform to a growing number of
#others.  Not to mention the direct experience of _many_ asthma
#sufferers. 
#

Well, it seems I'll have to try to find it now and report on it.
It'll take some time, though.  The universities here won't open
until next week.  Maybe I was a little naive thinking that someone
quoting a paper would have read it personally.

JWN
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From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
Followup-To: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic
Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.183758.2411@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO) writes:
>
>However, to be more precise for the technical minded, anyone who
>is baptized and has not renounced their faith is then formally a
>Christian belonging to the Church of Christ.

Where do I get the form?  Do I need to go through a ceremony?

For the technically minded, baptism is supposed to performed on willing
adults who have undergone an extensive period of education.  In practice,
it is performed on infants, then confirmed on children.

(A 14-year-old in our culture generally does not have the ability to
resist parents and peers who wish he be confirmed.  Since informed
refusal is impossible, informed consent is impossible as well).


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Biosphere II News
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1hu1tkINNb4h@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes...
>In article <X5LmwB4w164w@cellar.org>, revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Lord knows how reliable this is, but both Buzzworm and the Whole
>|> Earth Review are running articles about Biosphere this month. Whole Earth's
>|> article by Kevin Kelley-- who is an advisor of some sort to the project, so
>|> caveats up, gang-- reports that, while the Biospherians have managed to live
>|> for a year inside the structure, it hasn't been easy. 
> 
>What do they mean when they say "while the Biospherians have managed 
>to live for a year inside the structure"?
> 
>I thought I saw a newspaper report that one or more of them had left
>it temporarily, and then returned.   Was I mistaken?
> 
>jon.

You did see such a report, and you were not mistaken.  One Biospherean
cut off the tip of a finger, left the Biosphere for treatment, and
returned with a bag of goodies.

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
From: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>
Subject: looking for daniken scept
Reply-To: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: sci
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:16:34 EST

PS4YI>I'm looking for a book that purports to reveal the
PS4YI>inconsistencies and downright lies that Eric Von Daniken
PS4YI>(allegedly) wrote in his "Gold of the Gods" series.



     I know there is a book called "Crash Go the Chariots", read it
years ago. Also suggest "The Ancient Enginneers" by L. Sprague De Camp
as an  informative book on what technology was available, and what they
managed to do with it.

      Here is part of a post I made recently:

    I suggest "The Ancient Engineers" by L. Sprague De Camp. I saw it on
a book club list recently, so is still available (Fist published 1960 by
Ballantine). Cahpter headings: The coming of the Engineers, then
chapters on Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek, Hellenistic, Early Roman,
Later Roman, ORiental, and European engineers. Discusses the origins of
simple machines (ie levers) and building procedures (ie arches), famous
and not-so-famous architects and scholars whose ideas contributed to the
advancement (ie Archimedes). If you read this, you will understand how
much is possible by man, through determination.

                 Hope this helps.
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