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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:06:18 GMT

In article <David_Corn.0cou@fcircus.sat.tx.us> David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn) writes:

[ ]
>
>Philip:
>
>VRAM?  Not needed, nor is RAM or anything else.  It comes with 4M.
>RE:not worth it - perhaps.  The Quadra 700+VideoSpigot+4M/80M +
>Quicktime/Adobe Premere/Aldus Persuasion is only $4200.  That's a VERY
>good price for a 24 bit Mac.

I have 8megs in my ci. Tell me what to do with the extra 4? How many SIMM
sockets on the Quadra 700? 4megs is not enough. I can barely manage on 8.
You keep saying 24bit. That is not what they keep telling me here. For
example, will you get 24bit graphics on the 16" monitor with no extra
VRAM?
 
The VideoSpigot only captures composite input. It doesn't capture audio, nor
does it output NTSC according to the latest MacWorld( you need another addon).
Moreover I gather there's a VideoSpigot Pro which list for $1400 or so.
 
Anyway, my point is 4megs is hardly enough. You probably need to replace them 
with 4meg SIMM's. You still need VRAM to get 24bit graphics on the 16"
monitor. I still lose out with the 8megs in my ci, etc...I hardly see this
upgrade as being cost effective.
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: 3D 
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn 1.16c (6/22/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:16:36 GMT
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

	For anyone who does modeling on an AMIGA either using Lightwave,
Imagine or anything else I strongly suggest taking a look at something
new. The ANIMATRIX MODELER is something that will make your life alot
easier. 
	I have been using it for about 3 months now and the latest version
even got me exited to use it. Besides being able to load and save in 2 of
the most popular formats (and others as well). The modeler has something
no one else does. .... REAL 3D!! No not the program but actually 3D on the
screen. If you use the multicolored 3D glasses or the Heitex goggles you
will get a real 3D view of the 3D object in 3D. Confused???

	Its a must to see.. and even better to be used. I have almost
forgoten about the modeler in Imagine after starting to use this one.

P.S.: I am not associated with Animatrix just love to use it.


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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:34:46 GMT

In article <David_Corn.0cnm@fcircus.sat.tx.us> David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn) writes:

[C= upgrading record vs. Apple's.]
>
>Huh?  Last I checked, you could go from MANY of the Mac II's to a Quadra
>- the II, IIx, IIcx, and IIci, among others.

You can't go from a II, IIx, IIfx to a Quadra. Moreover, going from a IIci
to a Quadra 700 is not cost effective.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: donb@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Don Bayless)
Subject: Re: Toaster Arexx Examples
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:41:26 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Sep7.160719.25178@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:
>
>Hi, 
>
>I have just completed a 30 second Scenery Animator II animation (recorded out
>to .iff24 frames).  I would like to convert these to Framestores, so I can
>render them to tape by using "play frames" in Lightwave 3D.  I figured I would
>use the RGB2FS.rexx program in the AREXX_examples directory.  I load the
>Toaster, bring up ToasterPaint, and get back to my shell.  I type in the 
>command line and the frame name, the HD spins, and nothing happens :(
>
>How do you use this rexx script?  How do you tell it to process a group of
>files?  Is there any certain way I should name the .iff24 files?
>
>Please help
>
If you have LW 2.0 there is no need to convert thae pictures
to Framestores, just load them as a Image Sequence and set
that sequence as your background and recored away.....

[db]
From: Steve_Simmons@a68k.denver.CO.US (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:   ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:17:08 GMT
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO


 BW> We've shut down the BBS and reformatted the HD (which was trashed in
 BW> a
 BW> major way; we're currently waiting for DLG pro (I think it's called)
 BW> which James Hastings-Trew sorta convinced me we should be using; we
 BW> sent
 BW> the fund$ for it about two-three weeks ago, but have yet to receive
 BW> the BBS software itself. As soon as it arrives, we'll be back online,
 BW> all fresh and brandy new.

 BW> Sorry for the inconvenience. :^(                         --Ben

I look forward to having the BBS back online and I think DLG Pro was the
best choice you could have made.
 
Steve

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From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry cullingford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: VideoToaster in PAL?
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:00:50 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <iZZTqB12w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>Any news about the PAL version of NewTek's VideoToaster?

Still ToasterWare, as far as I know... 

(Like VapourWare, but it takes even longer to arrive..)


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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:56:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


>>I have faith that some brilliant third party developer will find a way to 
>>incorporate the new chips, I remember people telling me that my a1000 could
>>never be upgraded, that the 2000 was dead when the 3000 appeared. And you 
>>know, they were wrong.  This new development just isn't going to get me to 
>>buy an a4000, unless Commodore offers a REAL upgrade deal, something that 
>>isn't going to cost me my life savings.
> 
>   Don't count on it. The difference between A3000 <-> A4000 is so much
> bigger than A1000<->A2000 or A3000<->A2000, the A3000 was basically an
> A2000 with 68030, flickerfixer and built-in HD interface. The A2000 was
> only an A1000 with Zorro II slots. The A4000 has an entirely new graphics
> chipset that cannot be used in old machines. You would need an entirely
> new motherboard, and then you could just as well buy an A4000.

  Actually, there is not much difference between the A3000 and A4000.
  Sure, IDE, but that isn't a concern here.

  The datapath (BUS) to the ECS chipset on an A3000 is indeed 32bit.
  However, the sockets for the ECS chips are 16bit.  You cannot plug
  a 32bit chip in a 16bit socket.  Because of the shape/size/amount
  of the new chips, it is impossilbe to replace the sockets.  It just
  isn't possilbe physically.

  I suppose that some hack could be introduced on a daughterboard, but
  this is highly unlikely.  Developers have had AA machines for a while
  now, but no 3rd party upgrade board (like megachip or something) was
  shown at WOC.  Surely 3rd party companies no how bad A3000 owners
  want AGA.  That's why people bought A3000 instead of A2500.

  Oh well.  It'll be interesting to see what happens.

  Greetings,

	Travis Carter
        slbfn@cc.usu.edu
From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Hard disk data throughput speed ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:12:57 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates


What kind of throughput can I expect from a stock A3000?  How about the
numbers for a GVP combo accelerator (do they make an '040 based combo)
using their scsi interface and an aftermarket drive?  Finally, what is
the fastest throughput possible today on an A3000 and by what means?


Thanks,
M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Re: Here are the 4000 specs.. from C=
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:29:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep13.002031.647@pro-freedom.cts.com>

>
> > Gee, how many of these are we going to have clogg our news feeds?
> > Enough already, we've seen at least 4 or 5 already.
>
>
>Considering the incredible amount of pure BULLS**T that already clogs the
>net, these few items that really DO pertain to the Amiga in general and the
>newest Amiga in particular are most welcome news to many of us.  Yes, there
>is some overlap but most of the messages seem to convey a few different
>facts.  If the strain is too much, can I suggest that setting up a KILL
>file for anything containing the term "A4000" could be used to eliminate
>posts in which you have no interest.
>
>Regards,

Uh, I think you missed the point... entirely.
We all enjoy more 4000 info... lots of it.  But not the SAME press releases,
over and over and over and over....

>*======================================================================*
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>

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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: amiga+toaster used to
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:12:38 EST


BM>My boss just said he'd bet me 100 pounds (~US$200) that the Video Toaster
BM>would be an "unsupported product" (ie. dead) within two years, since it was
BM>getting outdated, and other systems were doing newer features for less cost.
BM>He said it just hadn't caught on.

BM>(My boss owns a company that sells Macs - I am currently doing some
BM>programming work on them for him until I've paid off a couple of debts, and
BM>not one second longer. :-) )

BM>Question is: Is he correct? Why? Why not?


 Your boss is yet another true Mac user who sticks to his computer like any
other true computer user!
 
 The Video Toaster will eventually be out-dated. It will be hard to beat. There
are a lot of programs that use the Video Toaster and a lot of hardware devices
coming out that work with the Video Toaster. There has even been talk about
companies like Sony designing products (VCRs, Camcorders ect.) that will work
better with the Video Toaster.
 
 There is currently no product on the market that does the same job as a Video
Toaster and there is definately nothing cheaper. The more Video Toasters that
are produced the  cheaper the units will get.
 
 It took NewTek 4 years to design the Video Toaster and it will take most
companies just as long to try to disign a simular product for other comptuers.
 
 Yes the Video Toaster as we know it today will soon be replaced. Newtek is
working on designing a new version of the Video Toaster to continue their
success when that day happens. 
 
 Send that to your Mac Boss. 

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Amiga+Toaster used to create "Babylon 5" TV show
Keywords: Computer graphics for prime-time TV show.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:42:41 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:

> My boss just said he'd bet me 100 pounds (~US$200) that the Video Toaster
> would be an "unsupported product" (ie. dead) within two years, since it was
> getting outdated, and other systems were doing newer features for less cost.
> He said it just hadn't caught on.

Hey! Easy money to gain! How can I join in?

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From: rromano@ccad.uiowa.edu (Richard A Romano)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:51:22 GMT

I too am a 3000 owner hoping that the AGA chipset can go in my machine.  I 
can only hope that the reason Commodore will not do a mod is because it 
would be too kludgy, ie that there isn't a clean solution.  But perhaps a
third party will implement a not so clean solution that is still useable.

We can only hope.

Rich
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From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:13:10 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <64980@cup.portal.com>, blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
|> Marcus Illenseer,
 Iik :-) He even doesn't use snap'n'paste rather than an automatic reply...

|> 
|> Now, be fair. AdPro doesn't have to eat ALL the memory, it has a tooltype
|> in it's ICON that you can set so as to limit the ram it will allocate.
|> 
|> Ben

 I must appogize that i haven't thought on this tooltype. It's because
 i am a shell-freak and don't use Icons that much.

 Anyway, i still don't like ADPro :)

 MarKus.

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Subject: Re: Text Pictures
From: cwhi2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Dean          Whitmore       )
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:40:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: ascii, text


I want it the program please..


Send to to me.
Please!

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From: gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn)
Subject: Re: 4000:  Is it so great?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:59:40 GMT


In article <1992Sep13.021205.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>  
cl129502@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> Do you ever wonder why the Amiga has always offered hardware options to  
allow
> it to emulate a PC, while the IBM has never had this option for their  
machines? 
> The answer is because the IBM is a better machine than the Amiga.  

Yes, and the Gameboy, the c64, and the Apple II series are obviously  
better than the Amiga as well, since Amiga emulators for them are  
available... ;)

Brian
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From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Re: DCTV flickers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: DCTV
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:50:52 GMT

In article <mac1.715984326@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>
>
>  Hello World,
>	      a friend of mine recently purchased a DCTV and it
>  flickers. He has an Amiga 2000 with de-interlacer. We connected it
>  to an A500 and it didn't flicker anymore.

DO you have a Toaster or other device in effect in the video slot? I know
that  when Toaster is on, the DCTV has radical color distortion (like a
rainbow band on a damaged video tape)

>  Is it the de-interlacer that causing it or what ?
The de-interlacer shouldn't really cause a lot of problems..
BUt try shutting it off in any case..

Jyanken
From: G.Coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Gary Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: SPEC REAL3D V2
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: G.Coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I wounder if anyone out there can supply me
with a list of features / updates that will
be added to Read3D when it is updated later
this year.

Thanks in advance for any information.
From: trat@amiganet.chi.il.us (Thomas Reamer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Caligari and other features
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:22:33 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Imagine 2.0 is excellent, rivlas Light Wave in many ways.  Kill the old
version!!!  Move up to 2.0, it's fantastic, easy, animation controls are great.
 They do indeed have the terminator II type guy that U can do such as render
man....What is the name people?
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From: taylorm@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: DCTV help...
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:22:05 GMT

Sorry about double post.  My news server is acting up.  It told me it had
rejected it.  Maybe it did and it only got posted twice locally and nobody
knows what I'm talking about.  Anyway, sorry.

                                                         /\/\ Taylor
                                        mataylor@math.undergrad.waterloo.edu
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From: David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:12:03 GMT
Organization: The Flying Circus BBS, San Antonio, TX
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.23 (Sep 12 1992)


[MacIIci/cx->Quadra]
>
>Philip, you need to check with Apple.  Right in front of me I have a
>spec sheet from Apple.  The IIci or IIcx can go straight to the Quadra. 
>Cost?  $2600.  For 24 bit color and a superfast 040, that isn't too bad.

That gets you a 25MHz Quadra. You need to get RAM, video RAM, etc...By the
time you add it up you're talking over $3000. With Quadra and other Mac 
pricing changing so rapidly, that's close to what one would pay for one
anyway[ education].
 
 Mind you, I did think the upgrade price was a bit higher than your quote.
 Last time I checked was a few months ago. Has it dropped?
  
  By the way, you should really take into consideration
IIcx->IIci->Quadra 700
if you're following the upgrade route.
 
 Thank's for the number. It's almost worthwhile! People used to pay
$1000 to
go from an 030 NeXT to the 040 one.
 
 Philip McDunnough
 philip@utstat.toronto.edu
---Above PM

Philip:

VRAM?  Not needed, nor is RAM or anything else.  It comes with 4M.
RE:not worth it - perhaps.  The Quadra 700+VideoSpigot+4M/80M +
Quicktime/Adobe Premere/Aldus Persuasion is only $4200.  That's a VERY
good price for a 24 bit Mac.

DC
 
 


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From: manhart@CS.UWLAX.EDU (Greg Manhart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Viewing Non-Standard JPG's
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:18:11 GMT

Hello!
Does anyone know of a program to convert the non-standard jpeg created by 
Image Alchemy for the i*m, to a format I can view.  I have tried rend24 and
djpeg but can get neither to work.
Thanks
Greg Manhart
manhart@cs.uwlax.edu
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Amiga+Toaster used to create "Babylon 5" TV show
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:39:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38057
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <19920914120427ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick) writes:

>According to some NewTeker whose name escapes me at the LAVTUG/NewTek
>special showing Saturday after the Commodore show, Ron Thornton has
>really been pushing them hard for things he needs/wants in LW 3.0.
>While he was not able to tell us the stuff that will be in 3.0, of

One of the things he asked Alan Hastings for was called (I think) lens
fringing, which makes the rendered scene look more like it was shot
with a camera.

>course, he did say that there will be a completely LW created scene
>in (I seem to recall) the pilot episode which would be just incredible.

What, the scenes you saw there not good enough for you? :)

>Absolutely NO clues as to what this might be, though.

Well I have 2 guesses, first the last second of the clip you saw was
the very begining of a shot that contains 100 fighter type craft,
and 4 mother ships, all of which will be moving independantly.
Second, I have heard of a shot which goes something like this:  A
ship is flying arround B5, and passes a window on the station.  The
'Camera' switches from the ship to the window, where we can see
people inside talking.  The 'camera' moves in, and when it passes
the plane of the window, you can here the voices of the people. 

Rick

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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: OpalVision output?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:18:46 GMT

Vince@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Vince Koh Kia Keng) writes:

>Just a quick question about Opalvision:
>I know it is suppossed to support 15.75Khz scan rate.  Does this mean that
>I can use it on a standard Amiga monitor?  (I actually have an Amiga 1081,
>240V AC monitor that I brought over from Singapore.)

Yes, I would say so. I saw it on a TV RGB input, and the 108x monitors
have this input as well. The scan rate is also identical to a normal
Amiga without the new modes.

>Thank-you.

>-Vince

No worries

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From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:   ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 22:53:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <64981@cup.portal.com> <pianoman.00ql@misseye.uucp>

Alan D. Ray,

As of Tuesday, we'll be shipping 9.17; upgrade fees from *any* version
of Imagemaster are $20 per event, or, you can subscribe to a 12-month
service where we send you (at least) one a month, for $100.00

9.17 is quite the critter. :^)

Ben
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