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From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Punk Rock TV
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:47:16 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <BxLvyC.2nH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Carl W. Haynes III) writes:
> Anyone remember the cool tv shows that had punk rock episodes? 
> I remember Quincy and CHiPs both had evil punk rockers
> terrorizing the public, I always watch the re-runs to see the
> episodes, but have never seen them since their original
> airing. Any other shows have punk rock episodes?
> 
> Hour magazine also had a great three part special about
> Parents of Punkers (remember them) that saved their violent
> punk rock children from a life of violence.

Lots of movies have the evil punks terorizing the town too.  Also, I was 
watching the commitments and when the band is holding auditions for a singer i 
think, lots of punks show up with mohawks and stuff and this one dude at the 
end of the line was real funny.  The kid asked him, what instrument do you 
play?  The guy goes Instrument??? I saw this big line and thought you were 
selling some drugs or something..  heh, 



> 
> carl
> haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu
> 
> Cool bands: Zero Boys, die kreuzen, necros, angry samoans, legal weapon


The Fiend  
"This society makes me sick, I'd like to give it a big kick!"
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Hello???...
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:27:55 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <1992Nov11.003310.305@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
> Anyone out there??? I see that I must be the first one on this group. Ok, let

I doubt it seing as you are message number 200 or so at my site...!!
When was the last time news was updated are your site...??? This group has been
going for a few weeks now....

> me throw these bands in your way. I just heard the song "Nihil" from Godflesh's
> upcoming EP "Cold World". The guitar sounds a lot like it did in the album
> "Pure". So if you didn't like "Pure", you probably won't like this. It's no
> "Streetcleaner".

I'm a raver....I better get out of here fast before someone starts giving me
some stress!!!

Happy Hardcoring...

KIRK
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From: zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (Dragan M Zivkovic)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: dammit
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:56:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-1.ucsc.edu



the only thing more annoying then re-posts is people who type loud
and as for my iq, let me worry about it and what i do with it.
lets not bring out the heavy flamethrowers, i don't have the time.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: DRI in Chicago
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:33:52 GMT

          Hey kids,
             Dirty Rotten Imbecils are coming to the Vic in Chicago
this Tuesday. Are they still HardCore?

           H.
From: plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: RE: New Fugazi?!?!?!?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:01:23 GMT
Organization: Clark University

just out of curiosity, tom, where do yuo come from. would be wesport, ct
at all?
From: IO21094@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Latest bad brains?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:06:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Okay all you rasta hardcores, the almighty bad brains played the CMJ
music marathon 10/22/92 at the Marquee in NYC.  I didn't go, I'm in Maine,
go figure, but if you know of them signing to a label, who's singing
(HR's touring with the Human Rights reggae band) or of them coming ou       dgb
out with a new album then let me know.  I saw bad brains 12/13/91 and
it was a show of a lifetime, even if Chuck Mosely was singing.
                                            Peace and Respect-DG
From: Mark.Cornick@launchpad.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: New Fugazi?!?!?!?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:16:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <92317.103000IO11265@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO11265@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Okay, please...someone...tell me - Does Fugazi have a new cd?
>What's the name of it? Any good, bad, what????

Not yet, although various rumors say it's coming soon... but probably not
till 93. That's all I know right now...

--
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From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: What is Hardcore????
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:50:20 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <BxM5o2.F3s@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
> 
> I wrote this whole song on the back of my army jacket back when I was
> in school.  Drew the skullhead, the 19AT2, the works.
> 
> It was one of the factors in my dismissal from the armed services.

Cool, Subhumans are classic punk rock.  Anyone who thinks the canadian 
subhumans are better either have never heard the others, or need a smack in the 
face.

The Fiend  
"This society makes me sick, I'd like to give it a big kick!"
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Carl W. Haynes III)
Subject: Re: C.O.C.
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.043949.13147@hubcap.clemson.edu> jflee@hubcap.clemson.edu (finley lee) writes:
>Oh.  My favorite album was Eye for an Eye also.  Is it out on CD?  I
>have a very old tape.

Nothing compares to the No Core tape though, that was one of the best
hardcore tapes put out, had COC and a bunch of other North Carolina
bands on it. I lost my tape about a year ago, I sure wish I could
find it. For raw energy, It ranks up there with Boston Not LA and
some of the DC stuff (the Faith/Void LP was especially good).

carl
haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: cucem@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Mattingly)
Subject: Re: Jello Biafra
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:59:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.133558.26169@bnr.ca> /dev/null writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.033158.22694@ncsu.edu>, tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Ice-T also uses a sample from him on his Freedom of Speech album (can't  
>|> >remember the cut).  Another Jello side project I haven't seen mentioned is  
>|> >Tumor Circus.  This is some really great stuff so check it out if you can!
>|> >-Brian
>|> 
>     I have the album.... It wasn't sampling, I think he actually recorded with
>Ice-T..
>     The first track, "Shut up, be happy", is a JB spoken word with some metal
[description of track 1 on iceberg deleted]

This was not recorded with ice t, it was simply lifted off of jb's no
more cocoons lp (or the original recording). If you listen you can hear
some of the crowd's laughter under the sabbath music. this is the same
track as the one on no mo' co's. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the
stuff comes off of the same album as well. Does anyone else notice that
public enemy lists jb as someone in their "respect is due to" list right
in there with farrahkan? 
is there anyone else in the rap world that jb is tight with bes. Ice t
and p.e.?
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From: cclevel@oak.math.ucla.edu (Christopher Cleveland)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Steel Pole Bathtub
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:17:17 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department


There have been a couple of posts about Tumor Circus being Jello Biafra 
with Steel Pole Bath Tub.  I just had to mention
               STEEL POLE BATH TUB
in a sentence of their own.  These guys are hot.  
I've seen them twice in the last 6 months and was blown away both times.
I would highly reccomend seeing them should they head your way.
Loud, noisy, nasty and loud again.
Bring the kids.

Does anyone know if they have anything coming soon?


Cclevel
From: igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Courtney Love...
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:19:48 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Organization: DSO, Stanford University



Was she in the movie "Straight To Hell?"
From: skilmon@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shane M Kilmon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Jello Biafra
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:25:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U


Not really music related, but did anyone check out Jello's section in 
RE/SEARCH's Pranks! publication.  He's got one of the better interviews.
The whole book is hilarious.

shane=-0
From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Suburbia Nostagia
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:05:47 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <Yf0_PXS00WBO8_pq4p@andrew.cmu.edu>, ef1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Matthew Furst) writes:
> Just sittin' around tonite thinkin' about the movie Suburbia.  Anyone
> else remember this one?  the best is when the kid gets hit by the car in


Yeah, great movie.  Makes me wish I had two VCR's so I could tape stuff like 
that after renting it.
From: arebold@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: RE: Suggestions...
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:15:00 GMT
Organization: Clark University

Yeah, look into Bad Religion, The Vandals, maybe the Ramones, definitely
Black Flag and the Circle Jerks, uh, also Saccharine Trust, Wurm, the Germs,
MDC, DOA, NOMEANSNO, Husker Du, Crucial Youth, Reagan Youth, old 7 Seconds,
the Pajama Slave Dancers, old Meatmen, the Meat Puppets, and also
the Minutemen.  Oh, and did I forget Pegboy?

andy bloodbath
From: grenier@aludra.usc.edu (Adrian Grenier)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: 7 Seconds
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:23:14 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

The Drop Acid stuff sounds just like that late 7 Seconds stuff. What a goddamn
crime it is to call Soul Force and The Crew both albums by 7 Seconds. Seeing
7Seconds in their twighlight trying to sing "Regress No Way" is a total joke.
I can respect if Kevin wants to do something different, but to keep the same
band name is ludicrous.

In that sense I really respect Ian MacKaye, and in a more modern, west coast
vein, Dan O'Mahoney. Both those guys (especially Ian since he has been around
longer) have changed their musical styles and bands to reflect these changes.

Could you imagine if all the Palehead, Egghunt, Embrace, and Fugazi stuff
was recorded by a band called Minor Threat. MT would lose its a power as the 
best there ever was (my opinion).

7 Seconds should have broken up and turned into Drop Acid, Smoke Pot, Shoot
Heroin, or whatever, years ago.
				lets talk about some new stuff
				anyone know of Nations on Fire?

				-adrian

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: zaven@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Zaven K Kalayjian)
Subject: Sex Pistols Lyrics
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:01:15 GMT



	Anybody know where I can find some?
	Much thanks.



Zav
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion 7"
Originator: tphailey@c00476-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:33:05 GMT



>any Bad Religion fans out there?
>if so, do you know where i can find any of there 7"?
>thanks

	Oh, I love Bad Religion, but I only have one 7", the BR/Noam Chomsky 
split that MaximumRockNRoll put out. Oh yeah, I do have the Atomic Garden 7", 
but I don't think that counts since it's A) new(ish) and thus pretty easy to 
obtain and B) on Sympathy for the Record Industry and thus pretty easy to 
obtain. I take it you're looking for old stuff, yes? I guess most people 
realize that most of that stuff is hard to come by and even harder to pay for. 
But if you just want them for the music, try the BR 80-85 CD (unless you're 
like me and don't own a CD player). But that's my senseless voice on this 
topic. Next.

TOMASS
From: mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: DRI in Chicago
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:46:30 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov6.043352.1767@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
> 
>           Hey kids,
>              Dirty Rotten Imbecils are coming to the Vic in Chicago
> this Tuesday. Are they still HardCore?
> 
>            H.


               NO JUST SAD!
From: ef1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Matthew Furst)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Punk Rock TV
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:14:10 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.hardcore: 12-Nov-92 Punk Rock TV by Carl
W. Haynes III@mace. 
> Anyone remember the cool tv shows that had punk rock episodes? 
> I remember Quincy and CHiPs both had evil punk rockers
> terrorizing the public, I always watch the re-runs to see the
> episodes, but have never seen them since their original
> airing. Any other shows have punk rock episodes?

I remember seeing a Miami Vice episode with a punk club of some sort.  I
think it was the same episode where this guy was listening to Ministry's
Stigmata on the radio in a hotel room.  I think the episode had to do
with malicious drug-running punks or something.




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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: nu-straightedgers!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:26:30 GMT

lancer@pitt.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:

>Heh...
>I wonder if the kid even knows what straightedge is... Or where it
>came from...  He probably thinks writing an X on your hand is some new
>fad...

I havn't seen an X on a hand that wasn't attached to a pissed to the gills
snot gobbler, swaying on the bus trying to keep down the spew, since
maybe 1986.  I gave up putting them on way back, when I stopped caring
what people thought of me on their first impression.
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
Behavioural Ecology   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:48:45 -0500 
From: Eric Matthew Furst <ef1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Suburbia Nostagia

Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.hardcore: 11-Nov-92 Re: Suburbia
Nostagia by Leon D. Atkinson@cs.webe 
> Nah, the best part is when the guy throws the bottle at the bus and says,
> "Fuckin' bus!"  Whenever I see a bus, I think of that line.

Yeah, that's one of those memorable ones.  I was thinking of some more
good scenes:
    The dog killing the kid at the beginning
    Dog shooting by the rough hick-types
    Asking for a dildo at the garage sale
    Stealing food from garages

Man, they just don't make movies like this anymore.  I don't want to
watch "Singles".


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From: lint@leland.Stanford.EDU (Graham Spencer (NOUid 0091))
Subject: Government Issue, VOID
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.185908.2477@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

 > Anyone know if Government Issue is still around and what kind of
 > stuff they do these days ?

Well, they're not around, but Stabb from GI plays solo stuff now. MRR
is full of nasty letters about his habits on tour. Haven't heard much
about his music. And someone else mentioned Robbins and his stuff with
Jawbox.

 > Someone mentioned Ian Mckaye, did you see the Ignition 7" with Alec
 > McKaye ?  (I guess his brother).

Speaking of Alec and Ignition, Faith which was a fine band as well.
And speaking of Faith, the VOID side of the Faith/VOID LP on Dischord
is positively *fantastic*. Does anyone have the 'new' "Condensed
Flesh" by Void? And does anyone know what happened to the members of
Void?

--Graham

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From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: FFUUUUCCKK!!! It's here!!
Date: 8 Nov 1992 03:28:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <MILT.92Nov7140557@primus.esd.sgi.com> milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff) writes:

>
>BTW, does anyone have the new NoU?  I thought it was supposed to be out
>last month.  Did they really break up?
>
>-milt
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------


Yeah, it's out and it's #71,  $7 for tape or LP, $8 for the cd.  here's the 
address if you don't already have it:  dischord recds, 3819 Beecher St. NW,
WASH., D.C. 20007.



joe

BTW  i guess it's the general consensus on the SE list that NoU did break up.
i guess when my friend saw them play at Jabberjaw, they were missing a
guitarist, a bad sign i guess.
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: cs422olek@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Dave Oleksy)
Subject: Re: D.O.A.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:15:00 GMT

In article <37609@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, tomek@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes...
>Has anyone heard the new D.O.A. album? Is it any good?
> 
>Tomek
>  --
>  TOMASZ MAZUR     tomek@maple.circa.ufl.edu     



    It's not bad.  They haven't lost their edge yet.  They are currently
touring and will be in Phoenix on  December 5th.


Dave

Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: reddog@sage.cc.purdue.edu (RedDog)
Subject: DAN   --was Re: Therapy? -- was Re: This is Hardcore -- Rock!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:34:50 GMT

In article <of029HW00iUy85eAlp@andrew.cmu.edu> "Megan E. Dietz" <md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Also, dAN, they're awesome in concert. I couldn't stand still when they
>played this summer in New York.
>
>"Wake Up, Time To Die."
>
>Megan

Is DAN the Dan from CHUMBAWAMBA?--Danbert Nobacon?

RedDog
From: aumentad@girtab.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Dischord
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:08:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov12.025622.4240@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron) writes:
>I have sent for a Dischord catalog a number of times and on the
>back is always a small note written by, if i remember correctly,
>"Joe and Amy".  Who are they in relation to Dischord, owners perhaps?
>Just wondering.
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------
>jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu|	"Flex your head." -- Ian MacKaye 
>-----------------------------	
I think you meant to say "Jay and Amy."  Every order I've gotten in the mail 
was signed by "Jay and Amy" too.  I think that they are just the perpetual 
grunt workers at dischord and don't own it at all.  They seem to have this 
policy of answering every question that you asked.  I had a friend who 
asked about twenty questions when he sent in his order and they ANSWERED EVER 
ONE OF THEM!  anyhow,  i asked why brian baker had turned into such a sellout
and they gave me a pretty nice pc answer.  oh well.  sometimes i think 
"Jay and Amy" is just some signature that some underpaid Guatemalan grunt
tacks on to make dischord seem like the most grassroots organization on the
planet.  You should really write them, though, and say something nice cause
i'm  sure they have to wade through shitloads of orders everyday.  ask about
positive force DC, too, in case you're ever in town and want to hook up with
the locals.


joe
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
From: bart@marzipan.mitre.org (Bartley C. Conrath)
Subject: Lydia Lunch
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:04:19 GMT

I'm not sure if you would consider Lydia Lunch a maker
of fine hardcore, but I enjoy her angry music in a cathartic
way.  I have 13.13 and Hysterie.  I've seen some of her other
CDs and was wondering if anyone could recommend one of them.
I also want to be sure that it is her music and not her poetry
readings.
Thanks.
--
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore
Subject: Re: Local or what?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:58:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk's message of 5 Nov 92 14:07:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.140736.1060@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter) writes:
| Is this a local newsgroup????
|
If it is, then it local to Essex as well as Dundee.

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