HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Oh no, CO#2 headed for Ohio!  Where is Rev Neimoller?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<C150C1.Eru@unix.amherst.edu> <1993Jan22.143428.3334@dvorak.amd.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:34:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143428.3334@dvorak.amd.com>
tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes: 

   In article <C150C1.Eru@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
   (Tim Pierce) writes: 
   >Then when someone makes that mistake, we should correct them.  Not
   >acquiesce and pretend that "civil rights" means something other than
   >what it does.

   THAT'S the mistake that they made in CO... by the time they tried to
   correct the mistake being slung out by the Nazis, it was too late.  It
   has to be a concerned effort from day one.  I think this is especially
   important for any publicized rallies and demonstrations.  "Gay Rights"
   is short and sweet, but doesn't explain anything.  The outsiders and
   fence sitters don't seem to equate "Gay Rights" properly with
   "recognition and protection of equal rights to gays and lesbians."
   Some tend to think it means that we want the right to do the nasty
   anyplace and anytime we want.

The mistake in Colorado was made by a majority of the people who voted
in the referendum.

Sure it's important for us to define our own terms and not to let
those who'd deny us what's rightfully ours define those terms for us.
But that doesn't mean giving up our language and its historical uses.
This "gay rights" phrase has been around for a while.  Its meaning is
simple and clear:  gay people have rights, too.  Getting "civil
rights" out there has some utility because of the great struggle of
the fifities and sixties.  It might not hurt to appropriate it.
Pairing up the two, "gay rights" and "civil rights," might be
effective, and it's a hell of a lot less verbose than "equal rights
for lesbians, bisexuals, gays, etc."

And what is it about the nasty that makes it so bad to do it most
anywhere and anytime, anyway?  If we're ever gonna have our rights,
those people who aren't us are gonna have to adjust to the fact that
we actually touch each other's so-called private parts.  And have a
good time doing it. 

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: oh.test
From: dragon@ohio.zoo ( Dragon Fly )
Subject: Re: ATI Local Bus Ultro Pro Benchmarks
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:04:27 GMT

This is a test
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: oh.test
Subject: Re: test (Argic test)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:06:41 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <15569.2b5da0b3@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> In article <15568.2b5da07b@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> test
> test

A Stupid test of hasan Mutlu and Argic.
Armenians,Turks and stuff...
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: chollifi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (C Ann Hollifield)
Subject: Jan. 27 Roundtable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:45:09 GMT







Center for Advanced Study in Telecommunications                       (CAST)

Time:     4:30-6:00 p.m.
Place:         The Ohio Legal Center, Room 115, 33 W. 11th Ave.
          (On the Ohio State University Campus)


Jan. 27--"Direct Broadcast Satellite: Present and Future"

            Hank Lytle, Vice President-DBS, Continental Cablevision Inc.

Mr. Lytle will discuss the evolution and development of direct broadcast 
satellite and its potential for providing information, education and 
entertainment to rural areas.
Continental Cablevision is a partner in Primestar Partners, a consortium of 
cable companies that are experimenting with and test marketing direct broadcast
systems.  Mr. Lytle will discuss those tests and their implications for the 
future.




Admission to CAST Roundtables is free, and the public is welcome.  Parking is 
available in the parking garage just north of the Ohio Union on N. High St. 
From the garage, walk south on High Street past the Union and the Law School, 
and turn right (west) onto 11th. The Ohio Legal Center will be on your left.
For more information, call Sue Brown at 292-8444 or Ann Hollifield at 292-0080.
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: Rex G Robbins <rrobbins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Speech
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:04:20 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Mr. McCain - I believe that I sucessfully sent the message to oh.cast, but I am 
not sure, if I did not do it right, I need to be tought how to do so.

Rex
>
> Rex:
> Thanks.  Nice Story.  Would you please post this to oh.cast?  If you have 
> trouble doing this let me know.
> 
> Thom
> >
> > Prof. McCain,
> > 
> >      Greg Smith, editor of financial world, spoke last Wednesday to a crowd
 o
> f 
> > economists and communication specialists at the Holiday Inn in downtown 
> > Columbus.  Smith focused on what he felt America needs to do for future 
> > succuess in the world market. After a brief summary of how big business cam
e 
> to
> > be in the world, from Cottage Industry and the Japanese invasion to downsiz
in
> g 
> > companies and the switch from the Heatland of American to the Rustbelt, Smi
th
> 
> > started in on three areas of need.  First, a technology transfer from 
> > Government reserch to the public (to "bring federal technology to the floor

> > which will create capital products").  Second, an even or better flow of 
> > capital between countries.  And, third education, which is where he talked 
> > extensively urging a lifetime of learning up-to-date skills.  He feels we d
o 
> > have some "breathing room" in education, but, the highschool diploma is no 
> > longer any good in todays world.  As a side note, he feels that at every le
ve
> l 
> > of education, we should be able to measure the achievement levels of any 
> > student.
> >      e explains that America is experiencing a shift in the exporting busin
es
> s,
> > taking the lead over Japan.  In this he explains how Japan has forgotten ho
w 
> to
> > specialize and develop new ways to incorporate products and services.  Amer
ic
> an
> > companies such as Dell, Northgate, Xerox and other communication companies 
ha
> ve
> > geared their products to the ever expanding "service market," not product, 
> > which taking over the exporting business.  The exporting of ideas has now t
ak
> en
> > the fore-front in international trade.
> > 
> > 
> > Rex G. Robbins
> > 
> 
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: Rex G Robbins <rrobbins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Speech
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:02:40 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

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From: chollifi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (C Ann Hollifield)
Newsgroups: oh.cast
Subject: Jan. 27 Roundtable
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:45:50 GMT
Distribution: oh
Organization: CAST \& OARnet






Center for Advanced Study in Telecommunications                       (CAST)

Time:     4:30-6:00 p.m.
Place:         The Ohio Legal Center, Room 115, 33 W. 11th Ave.
          (On the Ohio State University Campus)


Jan. 27--"Direct Broadcast Satellite: Present and Future"

            Hank Lytle, Vice President-DBS, Continental Cablevision Inc.

Mr. Lytle will discuss the evolution and development of direct broadcast 
satellite and its potential for providing information, education and 
entertainment to rural areas.
Continental Cablevision is a partner in Primestar Partners, a consortium of 
cable companies that are experimenting with and test marketing direct broadcast
systems.  Mr. Lytle will discuss those tests and their implications for the 
future.




Admission to CAST Roundtables is free, and the public is welcome.  Parking is 
available in the parking garage just north of the Ohio Union on N. High St. 
From the garage, walk south on High Street past the Union and the Law School, 
and turn right (west) onto 11th. The Ohio Legal Center will be on your left.
For more information, call Sue Brown at 292-8444 or Ann Hollifield at 292-0080.
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Newsgroups: oh.news
Subject: news.ysu.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:51:59 GMT
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!

For those not already aware, news.ysu.edu's old machine, a NCR Tower, finally
died (HD failure, but there were other problems too) on Tuesday 1/19/93.

The new machine, a Sun IPC, arrived the same day, but without the external
1.3gb disk drive.  That's arriving today (Thursday).

As soon as the disk drive is here, I'll be setting up C-News, NNTP, IDA
sendmail, etc. and getting us going again.  Any backlogs from our news-
feeds are just fine, it'll be good test data (-:

With fingers crossed, we'll be back in full operation well before 5pm
tomorrow.
-- 
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

cat core | uuencode bunny.dropping | mail jp@tygra.michigan.com
Newsgroups: oh.news
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: News.ysu.edu lives!
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:22:27 GMT

News.ysu.edu is now a rather happy Sun IPC, chugging away at 2.25 days
of backlogged news.  Traffic is moving slow (given that we're on a 56kb
link), but we've cleared 4202 accepted articles (in the history file)
of 4929 articles that nntpd accepted, we're keeping up with the volume.
That alone is something the NCR couldn't do with pushy newsfeeds and
big backlogs in the past.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

cat core | uuencode bunny.dropping | mail jp@tygra.michigan.com
Newsgroups: can.uucp
From: path@cs.toronto.edu (Canadian UUCP Map Coordinator)
Subject: emercgency u.can.on.6 posted
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:53:20 GMT

On finally receiving confirmation that the provar<>uunet.ca link was no
longer valid as a result of provar's move to BC, I issued an "emergency"
update of u.can.6, removing this link data, last Friday.

This should largely eliminate the problem of much west coast mail
sitting in the spool for provar waiting a connection that would
never happen.

Those listing connectivity to provar should verify that it still exists,
and likely update their uucp map entries to reflect accordingly.

                --ed            (Ed Hew)        path@cs.toronto.edu
From: hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi)
Subject: LUNAR NEW YEAR
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: CAN
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:26:32 GMT


HAPPY NEW YEAR !!  Year of the Rooster!
BONNE ANNEE !!	Annee du Coq!

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McGill University, School of Computer Science, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:35:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.162816.11693@bmerh85.bnr.ca> rcano@bnr.ca writes:
>|> I'm in Ontario where the NDP has jumped whole hog onto the
>|> gambling bandwagon...gambling being the most regressive form
>|> of taxation of all.
>
>Gambling isn't necessarily a regressive tax, it's a tax on 
>stupidity and greed. I object to my tax money (welfare) being
>used for lotteries, while the kids go hungry.

  Tax money used for lotteries?  I though lotteries made money.  What
would their point be, otherwise?  Why do you think they were being called a
form of taxation?

>


-- 
					-- Matt

Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:16:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.035711.4126@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <C1H6yo.2y0@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:

[...]

>>  There's a tough one to support.  Plants will also "object" to being killed
>>insofar as they'll react in a way to avoid it.  
>
>Evidence?

	Next Spring, wait until the trees grow their full complement of
	leaves, then find a finger-sized sapling and cut it off near the
	ground.  Then stand back as it grows new shoots and new leaves in
	an attempt to replace its lost photosynthesis equipment.

	If you can't wait that long, cut a leaf from an African violet,
	stick the stem into some water, and watch it grow roots to replace
	its lost nutrient-absorbing equipment.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Xref: sparky can.general:6416 talk.politics.animals:11718
From: g0ack@cdf.toronto.edu (Andy Brownbill)
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:32:25 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility

In article <C1H6Jq.13M@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>
>  First worms aren't animals, and then they live after you cut them in half.
>Where do you people get your information?  Worms -- at least earthworms, which
>is what we're talking about -- sure are classified as animals.  And the 
>two halfs might crawl away after you cut the thing in half, but they die soon
>afterwards.  A chicken runs around after you cut its head off, but it's dead 
>soon...
>

I remember being told this way back in grade school. Unfortunately, the
ground here is frozen, and I can not get any worms to try this out. When
the ground thaws, though, I'll take knife to worm and let you know what
happens.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: More Lefties on the net lately
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:03:06 GMT

In <1993Jan28.010113.19381@cs.sfu.ca> jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:

>How can you tell from someone's posting that they're left handed?
>Wow, you must really be able to read between the lines. :-)

It's obvious.  Left handers have the characteristic of being more
predisposed to type words like, "veganism", on qwerty (Sholes)
keyboards.

ACS
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Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:58:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.153946.16694@pixel.kodak.com> young@clpd.kodak.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.142223.20600@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>>2.  Animals are sentient.  They care whether they live or die.  To kill
>>    them is to go against their wishes.  Killing non-human animals is wrong 
>>    for the same reasons that killing human animals is wrong.
>
>	Since you made no distinction, may we assume that you mean ALL
>	animals?

What I mean is all sentient animals.  There may be some animals who are not
any more sentient than plants, though I can't think of any off the top of my
head.  (Part of the problem is that I have seen various conflicting systems
of kingdoms (of living things) ranging from 2-kingdom systems (plants vs
animals) to 5-kingdom systems (plants, animals, fungi, and 2 more which I
forget).)

And as I mentioned earlier, I do realize that in some cases killing animals
is unavoidable, e.g. in self defence.  But for people reading this message,
killing animals for food is avoidable.

ObCanadian:  Does anyone have the address of Health and Welfare?  I'd like
    to get a copy of the new food guide (the one that has been changed in
    response to meat, egg, and milk industry concerns, according to an
    article in the _Star_).
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
 "You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is
  concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." - Emerson
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: sherman@sq.sq.com (David Sherman)
Subject: Re: Taxing Questions (was: Re: 1993 income tax rates 
Organization: The Law Society of Upper Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:32:14 GMT

klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
>In article <iq0oXB1w165w@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca> lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>> Questions about taxation of maintenance payments ...
>
>On Vancouver Island, dial, toll-free, 1-800-561-6990,
>to talk to the Revenue Canada Taxation office in Victoria.

Certainly.  And take your chances.  Don't assume that the enquiries
officers who answer the phone for Revenue Canada are always correct.
Not to mention that their answers will come from the Revenue Canada
perspective, which in some cases is more stringent than the law.
It's often worthwhile consulting a professional.

David Sherman
Xref: sparky can.general:6397 talk.politics.animals:11694
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Killing bugs (was Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted))
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:28:19 GMT
Followup-To: can.general,talk.politics.animals
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
: After the rain I gently move the worms who have
: crawled onto the sidewalk back to the soil before they dry up (or before
: someone deliberately steps on them :-( ).

Funny, so do I.

: I am currently planning on investigating the insect issue in more detail
: (if anyone has any good refs on the sentience or lack thereof of insects,
: please mail me).

Insects feel and avoid pain.  They fit your definition.

: I do think insects have many admirable qualities.  (For
: one thing, they are among the few animals who can thrive in Toronto...)

I've seen racoons, squirrels, rats, mice, foxes, mink, feral cats,
moles, and rabbits in Toronto (and not at the zoo :-)
Millions of birds.  House pets.

Rob.
--
Robert A. Osborne   ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!robert or robert@isgtec.com
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: submitting federal tax returns via modem
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:54:47 GMT

In article <PHILIP.108.0@shark.stmarys.ca> PHILIP@shark.stmarys.ca (Philip Howard (Computer Services)) writes:
>Is anyone here (virtually, speaking) submitting their tax return via modem? 
>
>I've come across mention of the software ($60 or so), but Revenue Canada's 
>reference on the tax form seems to imply that only "official" channels may 
>do this for you; eg, accounting firms. And of course they didn't publish a 
>phone number!

Perhaps since this is the first year they're doing this, they want some
controls on how this works.  People will probably need training on this sort
of thing.  Perhaps you need to be a registered user to access it for now.
H&R Block will do it for you though.  I really want my refund back fast, so
for the past few years I've been using H&R Block's CashBack (tm) service to
get my refund back in three days instead of three months.  Now with the new
rules allowing for electronic submission of returns, perhaps this time will
be cut down to a couple weeks???  If this is the case, I may not bother with
CashBack because they take a 15% discount!
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Killing bugs (was Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted))
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:38:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.032719.12009@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.193010.13137@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>>In article <C1F7Kq.Lxr@math.uwaterloo.ca> rbutterw@math.uwaterloo.ca (Ray Butterworth [MFCF]) writes:
>>>Does this apply to all animals?  I think Einstein said something like
>>>"I gave up gardening after I realized I was cutting worms in two."
>>
>>Worms aren't, strictly speaking, animals.  (I don't recall offhand
>>which phylum worms are in - my last bio. course was in grade 9, which
>>was, whew, a LONG time ago!  Early '80s, for sure!)
>
>Actually, I do try to be nice to worms (I thought they were animals, but as
>I mentioned in another more detailed post on this issue there are various
>systems of classification).  After the rain I gently move the worms who have
>crawled onto the sidewalk back to the soil before they dry up (or before
>someone deliberately steps on them :-( ).
>

I had to smile at this, because I do it too. Sometimes there's just too many
and I give up. I find myself doing it less with age. I also deport spiders 
from the house. Fire ants, fleas, chiggers, ticks, roaches, and mosquitos I 
show no mercy. I suppose this means I play god, killing when it suits my 
purpose, saving likewise. The only real difference is where we draw our
respective lines as to morality of killing. 


Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals