From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: STOP IT
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:44:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.182335.729@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rzantout@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rached N Zantout) writes:
|> 
|> I hope this personal war b/w ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc comes to an end.
|> One doesn't have to blame Hamza for all of this.  The whole war if
|> I am not mistaken started when aziz started making fun of what hamza
|> was saying, then later ibaa came and sided with aziz, then hamza
|> came back and did what he did.  Of course what I, personally, think
|> was a result of what others did to him.

This whole war started when Hamza, claimed that the present problems in the
Arabic world are due to the fact that Arabs are not Muslims. To which I
responded and said religion has no solution for Arabic unity. By his logic
one can easily claim that the present problems are due to the fact that Arabs
are Muslims. Since the Golden rules are made by the Christian west, Does any
one get that point.

I criticised him not to defend Christianity, but to defend my Nationalistic
ideals that are Non-religious. 
 
|> 
|> If this war is to come to an end, one of the following has to be done:
|> 
|> - All of ibaa, hamza, aziz are to stop posting to the sca
|>   and play somewhere else.
|> - All must exchange their messages by using personal email and
|>   not by showing off and stretching their brains on sca.
|> - All must not respond to one other messages by either ignoring
|>   them or using kill files.
|> - Aziz must stop criticizing islam and muslims.
|>   Hamza must stop criticizing christians.
|>   Ibaa must stop playing the judge of the net and 
|>   propose to people what they must post and what must not.

Let me tell I have nothing but great respect for Muslims who respect other
people's beleifs. I am not Christian fanatic, I am natioanlistic. I have criticised Hamza's version of Islam becasue he attempts to lable any one who
is not like him a Kafir and a Mushrik and attach a religious lable to that individual. Only a biggot will do so. Have you read his latest articles?.

Since God`s existance can nether be proved or disproved, hence, we cannot
prove that the Qur'an is the word of God. Should Muslims like him continue
to spit in the face of Non-Muslims?.
 
|> 
|> If none of the above is feasible, please all of you try to grow up
|> and respect others' opinions even if it was offending to you, and 
|> understand no one will change his mind because he reads few articles
|> of one of yours.  If christians want to post what they believe, let
|> them do that.  If jews want to post what they believe, let them do
|> that.  If muslims want to post what they belive, let them do that.
|> However, one has not ever try to insult, make fun, or what have you,
|> in order to deviate the other person away.  If one does, the problem
|> will get worse and worse, and we will end up to a situation like 
|> we are in now.

It does not get any worse, I assure. My whole argument with him, was to
show that this is the source of the problem, which he neglects.

|> 
|> So please, all of you grow up and give up your stupid ways of 
|> shutting up other people.
|> 
|> This is really my personal opinion, the war parties may agree or
|> disagree with this.  But please take this message seriously.  I
|> don't wanna be dragged into this war.  If nobody of the war members
|> likes what I say, I apologize in advance.  I hope this
|> would be the last message in which we see names like, "o wise man",
|> "o christian man", "shut up", "idiot", "bottom of shoes more honest...",
|> "barabaric", "Hmaar", "Garbage",...

Do you want me to share the messages I have received from a peice of trash
who claims to be a Muslim and was even bad talking about my own parents?. I 
will be the first to be ashamed of insulting hamza, and even admitted that.
However, he continues to be abusive toward Non-Muslims.

|> 
|> Final Appeal, if any of ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc finds this was 
|> a step towards stopping this war, please reply to this message,
|> saying that you will abide to it.

I thank you for the appeal, I have made a pledge not engage with any discussions
with him in his present mentality.

With High Regards,

A.Faris
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