From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: 'A Campaign Shaped; More Raids On Moslem Villages,' Wrote Dunn, 'Maj*.'
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:37:00 GMT


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>Congratulations to Rob Milson for taking the time to thouroughly
>check one of 'Mutlu's' sources and uncovering the level of
>historical distortion practised by him. 

Not a chance. By the way, I'm impressed with your new skill, 'Majka 
Civoyka.' Now, what do you think about 'Rawlinson?'

Source: "Adventures in the Near East," by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan 
Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages).

p. 184 (second paragraph)

 "I had received further very definite information of horrors that
  had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as 
  I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment 
  of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that
  'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in   
  independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being
  without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were
  constantly being committed, for which we should with justice 
  eventually be held to be morally responsible'."

>Although the absurdities
>propounded by him in relation to say, Kurdish citizens of Turkey,
>or of Amnesty International, are apparent to all save the most

You've got the facts you needed. Tampered with your security?

>extreme of sectarian thinkers, his attempts to buttress his
>historical arguments with distorted material are less obvious.

Can you provide any proof for this assertion, 'Majka?' In the
meantime,

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages). 

From "Foreword:"

"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
 habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
 Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
 me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
 In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and 
 destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
 scattered among its ruins." 

p. 20 (second paragraph).

"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
 section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
 were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great 
 fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
 smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
 Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
 unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
 the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."

>	Anyone else have the time to check up on more of 'Mutlu's'
>sources?

Gathering information is a critical part of the problem-solving
process, since it's the basis for defining the problem and 
determining its causes, 'Majka.' You may start with the following 
reference.

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph). 

 'How many people lived there?'
 'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
 'Did you see any Turk officers?'
 'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

 "The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me - 
 Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
 so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into 
 laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
 of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
 Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
 have been.

 From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
 The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
 the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap 
 of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
 spinning-wheels.

 'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'
 ... We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours
 the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's
 wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of
 other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'

p. 354.

"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
 high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
 but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
 of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
 Moslem villages."

p. 358.

"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three
 sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov
said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.
"That is for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror that
 our cruelty beats theirs."
"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)