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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: why post with the outside foreleg?
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:28:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ



In Article 8545 jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:

>Hi there --
>I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons (she loves it!) 
>and she asked me today why, when you're posting, you rise when the outside
>foreleg goes forward.  I realized I didn't know.  I suppose rising with the
>outside foreleg means the energy you're using to rise is coming from the
>outside hindleg -- have I got that right??  What I'm asking is, is this just
>a convention, or does it make it easier for the horse in some way?

	Hi, Kathleen, the reason one posts on the outside leg is simply to
make certain that you ride equally on both diagonals, thus it could just
as easily be the inside foreleg.  As a matter of fact in The Competitive
Edge:  Improving Your Dressage Scores in the Lower Levels, Max Gahwyler
"I" level dressage judge writes that "if we post on the inside diagonal,
we are sitting in the saddle with our legs on the horse, able to apply our aids
when the horse's weight is on the inside front leg, and the inside hind
leg is swinging forward.  Doing this deliberately will improve the horse's
straightness and gait, as well as the balance and support in bending in
circles and turns."  He goes on to point out that a rider might be tempting
judges who might penalize you for posting on the "wrong" diagonal, however
he himself always posts on which ever diagonal will support the horse
properly since he is unconcerned about the score.

>Thanks --
>Kathleen
>  ...who is frantically studying for her orals on September 4th... 

	Good luck on your orals!

					Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: njd@FTP.COM (Nancy J. DeMarco)
Subject: trucks?
Reply-To: njd@FTP.COM
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:03:21



Hi, Everyone!!

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm afraid I wasn't paying
much attention then.

I'm looking for a used truck for towing a two-horse trailer (not yet
purchased).  I've been told that either the GMC Jimmy or the Jeep
Cherokee (both with 4-litre V6 engines) can do the job, but I have my
doubts.  Is a V6 really powerful enough?  Is the shorter wheel base a
problem?  They certainly are affordable, but...

My uncle has a full-size Chevy Blazer, all set up for towing his
*huge* boat.  It's a Florida truck, in mint condition, and he's
willing to sell it to me for a reasonable price.  Does anyone have any
good/bad experiences towing with a Blazer?

The only other affordable (for me) truck I've seen was a Suburban
Diesel with 175,000 miles on it.  It looked and ran great, but that
mileage is just too scarey.  

Are there any trucks that anyone would like to recommend?  I'm not in
a big hurry, but I'd *like* to take advantage of the nice fall
weather.  I'm hoping to find a complete package - truck and trailer.

Thanks in advance for your help!!			

Nancy
From: rev@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: What do you call a young donkey?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:05:08 GMT
Organization: NIST

The subject line says it all.  Is it a colt?

Incidentally, this came up in a discussion of the resurgence of the eastern 
coyote and the use of watch-donkeys to guard the sheep flocks.  It seems that 
a young donkey (whatever they're called) will bond with the sheep and then 
attack anything that attacks the flock.

Thanks in advance

-Rob Vest
 rev@enh.nist.gov  (Internet)
 rev@nbsenh        (Bitnet)
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:59:26 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Aug31.122303.16950@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
 >
 >Does anyone out there use a Quarter Sheet for winter/cold weather riding?
 >
I used one when I lived in Boston only for really cold days (Below
freezing).

 >However, I have also noticed how expensive they are to buy,

I got mine on sale from State Line Tack, and it wasn't that bad.

 >What is your Quarter sheet made of?  I notice they usually come in wool or
 >acrylic, which one might be better and why?
 >How about flannel, or should I avoid cotton?

It's made of a soft wool that isn't very thick, so it breathes well.
Wool is much better than acrylic because it breathes and is warm even
when sweaty.  Flannel wouldn't be as warm but it would be absorbent
and breathe well and certainly better than nothing.

  Does it rub/chaf on the rump?

I didn't have a problem with it rubbing but it slipped because it was
a bit too short for my Thoroughbred's long back.  I left it on for the
entire ride if it didn't fall off before then.  Most of them go under
the saddle so it would be a pain to take it off midway.

>What are it's measurements?  I expect that for my broad, long horse that I may
>need to add a few inches to the length, since I *think* they are usually made
>for the shorter backed TBs.  How does yours fit your horse--long enough on a
>normal backed horse?

Custom made would definitely be better.  You could use an old sheet to
mark for measurements.


Sarah Pallas


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: More on Trucks...
Followup-To: What truck to buy.
Summary: Diesels are great!!!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:41:37 GMT

I finally realized that, in order to go to horse shows consistantly,
I couldn't depend on others to get me there!  After a few people
saying "Oh yea, I'm going, and I'll trailer you", only to have them
say the day before the show "Oh yea, somethings come up and I can't
go", I told myself, "Self, ya gotta break down, get a grip on life,
and make them payments for 4 years to save numerous turn downs in
the future"!

To make this long, complicated story short, I purchased a one owner
1985 GMC 1/2 ton 6.2 litre V8 Diesel.  This truck was and still is
in immaculate condition...right, Karl at Sequent!?!?!  He's seen it,
he can tell you.  I paid $5500 for it...quite abit below blue book
for the options it has.  It needed U-joints and back brakes, and
alittle later I had some front end work done on it (not needed badly,
but would have soon...better sooner than later.)  Anyway, it is my
PRIMARY vehicle.  I mean, it gets me to work and back DAILY.  And,
I live about 20 miles one way from work!  So I needed something
full size to pull a horse trailer, but somewhat economical on gas,
as well.

It gets 19 mpg daily, and over 16mpg pulling the 2 horse trailer.
It's not FAST, but it has torque, and can pull up the side of a
mountain if need be!  :*)  It had 69,000 miles on it when I purchased
it the middle of January this year, and now has over 81,000!  I change
the oil every 3,000 miles, change the fuel filter (very important in a
Diesel) every 15,000 miles, put additives in the fuel for water and
other gunk (known to be in diesel gas, as it is not refined well)
every other tank full, and shouldn't have to do a "tune up"
(injectors, injector pump, glow plugs) for about another 40,000 miles!
(A diesel tune up is a h*ll of alot more $$$ than a gas engine tuneup,
tho.  BEWARE!)

Anyway, this is my first diesel, and my first truck, too.  I really
enjoy it!  It has a canopy that is insulated with a light, a towing
hitch attached to the frame, and trailer brakes, too!  Oh, and Air
conditioning, even!  This was all there when I bought it.  :*)  It's
a pretty red, and, yes, it's a long bed.  It has a smooth ride, except
when pulling the trailer EMPTY.  It was everything I wanted in a
truck!

Hope this helps with your decision.  A diesel is meant to last, with
good preventative maintainence, for well over 200,000 miles or better!

Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar and Hank.
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help Save Hank...
Summary: Saddle for sale...
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:19:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep4.191922.4445
Followup-To: Hank's cancer update...
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

O.K.  I'm desperate. To pay for Hank's surgery....

I need to sell a saddle.  I've been told by the "older folk" in
this area that the saddle is worth at least $800.00.  It's an
antique in beautiful condition.  I'm going to have it appraised
next week by a German semi-retired saddle maker in the area, just
to see.  Anyway...

It's a date stamped 1934 English Officers Cavalry Saddle.  It is
complete!  Original saddle pad, girth, leggings and irons.  I will
even throw in a newer girth, because the old girth is like, burlap or
something, not stretchy on the ends, but in great condition anyway.

I purchased this from the original owner, who had it custom made for
him by J.Q.M. Depot, whoever that is.  It is 18".  Way to big for me.

I would like to get $550 for it.  Firm.  This saddle, well, you just
wouldn't believe it, that's all.  I am taking it to a jumping and
dressage show in Aurora, Oregon the weekend of the 12th and 13th to
see if I can sell it there.  It doesn't have knee pads, and seems
to be what I'd call semi-close contact.  Not cutback, but somewhat
like a saddleseat saddle.  Just very unique and interesting, and VERY
comfortable, I might add, even for me.  I just flop around in it too
much.  I take a 16 to 16 1/2.

I can take pictures, and send them to you if you are interested.  I
will pay for shipping.  I would love nothing better than to keep
this saddle for display, but it's just not practical.  It has many,
many, many years left in it, and would be a conversation piece at
shows or parades.

Thank you for your time.

Megan Breninger, High Action Hank, and family.

(Who'd nearly sell her soul to save her "best friends" life!)
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: info wanted on Wintec trees
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:57:26 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <sysmatt.714837182@aix3090b.uky.edu>, sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson) writes:
> Sue - could you tell me and the rest of the net what you paid for your
> Thorogood synthetic saddle? (My apologies if this info was already posted
> and I missed it)

Well, I really got a deal on the Thorogood so I don't know how much it would
cost someone elsted. I stopped by a sadsaddle that i didn't have a use  for
or a horse that it fitted.  I stopped by a sale shop and the owner wanted
the Tple Crown for her daughter to show in.  She offered me a new Thorogood
for my saddle and $165 including fittings.  I jumped at it so I have no idea
what the market price is for the Thorogood.  


Sue
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:07:50 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Aug26.001112.24637@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
> 
>  I would like to second the admiration for the "big" horses... My eventer was a 17.2 Percheron/arab gelding who was the boldest yet gentlest thing on four legs..
>  I have often noticed that these horses with a large share of "cold-blooded" horses are eminently sensible but have the power to do just about anything.
> 
>  Vulkan jumped out of a six foot fenced paddock and displayed many other talents in the jumping arena and had terrific flexion for such a large,heavy horse.
> 
>  there should be more of these sensible, big-going horses... I'm heartily sick of breedy, weedy, high-strung ponies.
> 
> 
>  Amanda
> 
I can add further evidence in support of cold blooded heavy horses for use as
general riding, hunting, jumping horses and not just as harness animals.
My Percheron/Arab gelding was terrific A-grade jumper before I retired him
from competition. I now use him as a riding and pack horse. He has also proven
to be an excellent teacher for inexperienced riders. My other horse is 3/4
Percheron and is even a better jumping horse than the Arab cross, although
I no longer compete. He is very sensible, quiet and calm, but moves freely 
and willingly. Of course, these horse don't have the conformation to be
top class dressage horses. But they try their hardest and can perform all the
movements required in dressage except they tend to work more on the forehand
and don't have the lightness of action required. Still it is great fun to
teach an animal who is so willing and I have no hesitation in singing the
praises of the heavier breeds for all types of riding.
- Ross

PS They make good companions on long lonely rides too!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@torsqnt.tor.sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Milton's breeding
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:09:54 GMT

I have a friend named Susan Nolan, an Irish girl who works for a barn in Bonlez
Belgium (near Brussels).  When she was in Canada two years ago, she told me
that she had Milton's mother in her yard.

If you look in the _Milton_ book that has been on the shelves since
Christmas (sorry, I don't know the author etc), there is a picture of the
mare and her name is something like OOsti.  She is a dark gray mare in the
pic.

Cathy
clever@sequent.com
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:47:33 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <HANNAH.92Sep2173111@pomponio.ai.sri.com> hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
 >I, too, am a lover of one of the cold-blood breeds, except that mine
 >is technically a pony---the Norwegian Fjord. 

I have seen these really cute ponies in demonstrations, but I've never
seen one jump.  Would they make a good pony hunter for a kid?

Sarah Pallas

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Subject: Re: Name Game, Once Again
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:18:31 GMT

This is really unbelievable! I went out to the barn loaded
with a list of name suggestions, and the group of barn kids
had named this mare - wait, you won't believe it,
	Steel Magnolia!!!

I guess this must be the perfect name for this mare. Thanks
for all the suggestions.
Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in Buggies?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:32:51 GMT

In article <3SEP199213293279@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu> broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:
>In article <9209031323.AA05291@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>, Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes...
>> 
>>The jury ruled out things like a decoupling device to free a
>>spooked horse from the buggy, and seat belts, as even more
>>dangerous than the existing situation.
>> 
>
>What was the reason that seat belts in buggies were deemed dangerous? Is it
>because people are expected to abandon the horse and buggy when an accident
>is imminent?
>
>
>Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
>Meadowacres Arabians
>Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
>Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
>Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.

Yes, the buggy could be abandoned in a dangerous situation.  Even at
runaway speed the buggy is moving slow enough that they can leap
out of it.  (In my younger, more foolish days, I once bailed
out of a car at 30mph when I was hitchhiking a driver got too
fresh - believe me, you'll survive anything at that speed or less).

Seatbelts were deemed dangerous because it prevents the people in the
buggy from leaping out of it, which is considered the last-resort
solution to a runaway buggy heading into traffic.  Seatbelts in a
buggy would, I think, make as much sense as a seatbelt on a rider,
which is to say, none at all.  Better to be able to ditch it if necessary.

The decoupling device was rejected because the horse is easier to see
with the buggy behind it, even if the passengers have bailed out.
A spooked horse sans buggy would have, the jury felt, been a very
likely cause of a fatal accident if the horse collided with a
fast moving car.  With the buggy behind it, the drivers have a chance,
at least, of seeing it.

All I've read are the news reports.  I'll try to get hold of a copy
of the coroner's report of you want the nitty gritty details.


-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:19:06 GMT

>In article <1992Aug27.140348.12457@cbnews.cb.att.com>, vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:
>> We are looking at a horse (to buy).
>> The temperament, looks, size are perfect.
>> The only thing that is bothering me is that when
>> you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
>> seems to look to you for balance.
>> When he travels he does travel straight and has no
>> problem backing up.
>> The horse is 8 years young - and seems not to have
>> been neglected but looks as though it may have been
>> more of a pet than a riding horse.
>> Should I be concerned about his lack of balance when
>> cleaning his feet?
>> Thanks, GINI
>> AT&T-BL
>> mvuxd!vmm
>

There are a lot of horses who do this -- just ask the poor farriers
who spend half their days holding up lazy horses!! If, as many have
suggested, you have had a vet's okay, it's likely that this horse
has just learned that it's easier to depend on the person than hold
himself up. If he COULDN'T hold himself up, he'd fall on you. So it
seems to me that this isn't something to be worried about, given a
thorough vet exam.

-gwyn
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:27:27 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Aug27.140348.12457@cbnews.cb.att.com>, vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:
|> The only thing that is bothering me is that when
|> you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
|> seems to look to you for balance.

Reba is excellent when it comes to picking up her feet, all four of them.
However, ever since she has developed bone spavins in her hind legs, she
too will lean on me for balance.  Altho 8-yo seems too young for a horse
to have bone spavins, there may be something else wrong.  I would have the
vet check it out.  Has the horse been thru a vet check yet?

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jecome01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu (Eric Comer)
Subject: TB and TB/Han For Sale
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:19:51 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

FOR SALE: 9 yr old 15.3 h, chestnut TB mare.  Incredibly athletic.  Has been  
	hunted, shown dressage, and completed novice horse trials and combined
	test.  Not for beginner rider.  Loads, clips, hauls.  Asking $3500.
	Traci Coates (502)538-4631.

FOR SALE: 3 yr old 15.2 h, Hanoverian/TB filly.  By Elite stallion Equubar
	out of proven event mare.  Lovely mover.  Quiet with wonderful
	disposition.  Very willing.  Blood bay with blaze.  Ties, loads, hauls,
	clips and loves baths!  $6000.  Traci Coates (502)538-4631.



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:21:16 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Sep1.231902.14056@cco.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
>In article <14383@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
 >> ... But the weird thing is that he's actually
 >>quite good at his walk-canter transitions, and has an awful time
 >>cantering from a trot, he just runs into it.  So he knows how to
 >>get his butt under him at some times and not at others...  
 >
 >Does he run into the departure with all riders?

I've never seen him with anybody else, I will arrange to find out.

 > Is it possible you 
 >are either not as clear with your aids or are too far forward with
 >your upper body at the trot?  Do you sit for several strides and 
 >get a good half-halt before the departure?  Is his trot just plain
 >too downhill?

Actually I'm usually too far forward, and he has a very sensitive
back, so when I sit, he hollows out and gets quick.  I need to work on
losing my strong seat and making it feather light so I can change my
weight without hurting him.  Today I tried a back-saver pad and that
seemed to help too.  He has the worst bone-jarring trot I've ever
experienced, so sitting his quick trot is almost impossible to do
softly without bouncing.  I can sit his slow trot OK.  When he's
rushing into the canter, I'm bouncing away, he's getting quicker and
more downhill (he can have a lovely balanced trot, but only if it's
slower), and the situation rapidly deteriorates until I bring him back
to the walk and get the canter from there.

On the positive side, his canter is getting REALLY nice, he's
balancing well and carrrying a steady pace.  He still likes to put his
head down and rush after a fence, but we'll work on that with poles
and lots of halting and backing after the fences or poles on the ground.

 > Maybe working on the walk-trot, trot-walk, halt-trot,
 >trot-halt transitions will help with the trot-canter by improving
 >his balance at trot.
 >
I hope you're right!  We'll keep plugging away at it.  Thanks for your
advice, Debbie.  I want to have him in shape for a hunter show in a
month or so, so we'll need that trot-canter transition and some flying
changes, and nice corners at a steady pace  (Gawd, it sounds like
it'll take a miracle!)

Sarah Pallas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: More on first horse
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:53:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.184114.3740@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>I just want to add one more thing to the 'first horse' discussion.  Please
>don't EVER get a young horse for a first horse.  I've seen very few horses
>under the age of ten that make good first horses.  It takes maturity and age
>for a horse to get to the child safe stage.  Our current 'child' horse is
>Tar, aged gelding, somewhere over twenty, possibly pushing thirty.  He 
>is ridden and shown by three girls, has very patiently put up with having
>all three of them groom him, bathe him, lead him around, take turns riding
>and even put up with having his teeth brushed.  (One of them thought they
>were too yellow!)  This is the ideal horse for anyone to learn on.  Tar has
>been showing so long that he knows the ring commands and when the announcer
>says Trot!, he trots, no matter whether his rider has cued him or not.  
>
>
>Sue


  Gee, I must be pretty lucky! I have a mare that just turned 3 years 
old 3 mos. ago. And she is a gentle as anybody would want a horse to 
be. I have ridden her down the road while dogs bark and tag along, she
pays no attention to them. She follows me in the pasture like a puppy 
dog. And really is just a spoiled baby. She has to have your undivided 
attention.
 
 I concider my self a novice rider and would think that she would be 
great for any begginer. But these kind of horses are hard to find. Who 
in the right mind would want to sell a horse like this? In my case I 
bought her from a couple that were divorcing. She is a rare treasure.
 
         Pam  Blythe

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