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From: walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:23:46 GMT
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In article <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?

The Sarlacc, I believe... spelling optional

>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.

The Ranchor.
 
 
Now what were the names of those pig-like guards in Jabba's place?  My term
buddy thinks Fred and Ethel, but I think he's been sniffing burnt circuitboards
too long.

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Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 12:05:54 EDT
From: <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: RE: Vader take a lava bath

I remember reading the book Return of the Jedi just after Yoda dies Luke
asks Ben about his(Luke's) Father. Ben briefly describes the fight he
had with Anakin Skywalker and he states that he fell in a molten pit of
lava.

Remember this was in the book, it was not said in the movie.

Peter
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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Subject: Re: Skywalking
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:54:24 GMT

does anyone anywhere in Britain have a copy of Skywalking they could lend me, sell
to me, or trade, cause I'm dying to read it and can't find it anywhere.
-- 

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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Your first figure?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:31:29 GMT

My first figure was the original Luke Skywalker. My grandmother
bought it for me while I was living in Mexico (this was about
spring of '78) and sent it to me via another American who
happened to be coming our way.

I didn't get any more for about a year, till we came home from
Mexico, and there they all were, in their glistening blister
packs, for $2.49 at K-Mart and Roses--ah, summer of '79. Ah,
sweet summer when I discovered Star Wars after two years of
cultural blackout!

Anyway, sorry for the rambling.

Steve
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Falcon in Tractor Beam
Keywords: MF, scanning, Vader
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:28:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


About the scanning crew finding nothing, don't forget that they never really had
a chance to do much.  They went into the MF and simply got mugged.  They didn't
get the chance to scan for anything.  Before they went on, there had just been
two stormtroopers on board.  Obviously they're not going to find them hiding in
the smuggling compartments.  As for the homing beacon, we don't hear about it
until they've just defeated the TIE fighters after escaping.  This means that
the beacon was put on the ship at any time before they left the DS.  I figured
that this was done sometime after they landed, not immediately.  Don't forget
that rescuing the princess, destroying cameras, and shooting stromtroopers
alerted Tarkin, et al to their presence, if it hadn't been known by then anyway.
It might have been after the rescue, that Tarkin/Vader figured,"Well why bother
turning the place upside down immediately.  Without the MF, they probably weren't
going anywhere."  Also, Vader said of Obi-Won that "escape is not his plan..."
He might have just put the beacon on the ship relying that on the fact that
with the princess rescued, the plans being stolen, and Kenobi dead, it was a
pretty safe bet that whoever was with Kenobi would hightail it to the rebel
base, wherever it would turn out to be.  If it turned out that nobody was
with Kenobi, then the princess would have nobody to rescue her and take her
away.  Either way, the beacon is accounted for.
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 25 Aug 1992 21:34:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Keywords: Falcon

In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?

Read over what you wrote:
	"According to the log the crew abandoned ship right after takeoff,
several of the escape pods have been Jettisoned."

Yes, your point is a problem IF the Falcon took off in the Death Star tractor
beam. The log says the crew abandoned ship right after takeoff. This means
they took off, evacuated, the ship drifted or was programmed to fly awhile
THEN the ship encountered the Death Star and entered its tractor beam. It
doesn't mean they took off in escape pods within the tractor beam.

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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
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Subject: Re: Empire - cut scenes?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 11:16:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <BtpDIL.5yL@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any scenes for Empire Strikes Back that were filmed
>but not used?
>From SW we have a scene of Biggs near the end that was cut, and for
>ROTJ, a sandstorm. But I've never heard of any cut scenes to ESB.

There are at least 2 that I know of:

Shot of the Wampa dragging Luke accross the snow to his lair.

Threepio ripping down a "Danger: Wild Tauntauns" sign while being chased
to the Falcon in Hoth. 

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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:29:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?

Sarlacc
>
>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.

It was ROTJ and the thingy was Rancor. And the fat guy's name was Jabba.

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From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:10:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.044532.4716@udel.edu>
lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
 
>        Yeah yeah, I know how "Darth Vader" is supposed to suggest "Dark
>Father," but does anyone have a good explanation why the rebuilt Anakin
>Skywalker got this name? When I was young and clueless, I figured that "Vader"
>was the Emperor's family name, and that Anakin had gotten it by marrying the
>Emperor's daughter or something (neat personification of "seduction by the
>Dark Side of the Force" thrown in for free, too).
>
 
Darth Vader does in fact mean "Dark Father", although the two words
are drawn from separate languages.  I can't remember which ones at the
moment, but I'll try to find out.
 
"If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong."
-- mason hart, rice university
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The Emperor Falling down (Getting?) the Shaft
Keywords: cocky
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:26:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


The Emperor wasn't just cocky, he seemed almost giddy with the prospect of
killing Luke with his lightning.  Check out the look on his face, how he
grits his teeth each time he cuts loose with those bolts.  Also, check him
out as he's falling down (getting) the shaft, I haven't seen RotJ in some
time, but I seem to remember him still shooting bolts of lightning out
his hands as he falls all the way down.  Maybe he was so intent in killing
Luke that when he tried to manipulate the Force in other ways (levitation)
it just came out as lightning.  I don't even believe this explanation, but
so what, the Emperor is so amusing in his cockiness, the whole thing doesn't
really bother me.  As Luke said,"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 22:53:28 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,
Subject: Obi-Wan hiding from the Dark Side

Okay, in either _Dark Force Rising_ or _Heir to the Empire_ (forget which one)
it is mentioned that the reason Yoda was able to 'hide' from the Emperor after
the Clone Wars is because of the cave on Dagobah (where Luke saw himself as
Darth Vader in ESB), which was very strong in the Force, and thus protected him
from the Empire ever finding him...

I know that these two books are not considered Canon, but I will treat them as
such until a new movie or 6 comes out... but what was Obi-Wan's 'protection'
from the Dark Side of the Force?  He was no Jedi Master, nor did he have a
large presence of the Force (like Yoda's cave) near him, so how did he manage
to survive all those years from the end of the Clone Wars to the start of ANH?


BTW: I read in some relatively recent (publ. in 1988-89) sci-fi directory of
     movies that Lucas was in pre-production for the 1st Star Wars movie (at
     the time, which we now know is incorrect)... The title given was _The
     Clone Wars_, so while this info is 3-4 years old, it might be the working
     title of the top-secret, eyes-only, classified, under-oath movie Lucas
     *might* be working on...

Also, wasn't one of the 2 sequels to ANH filmed under a fake name, to hide the
fact that there was a new Star Wars movie in progress...

Personally, I would not be surprised if a new movie is being prepped, since
someone has mentioned that ILM has been inconspicuously free ever since T2...
Or did they do the FX in that Goldie Hawn- Meryl Streep movie this summer
_Death Becomes Her_???  I am *anxiously* awaiting Jurrassic Park, however, but
a new Star Wars flick is always preferred!!!  :)

Enough rambling...

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From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 30 Aug 1992 17:47:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug29.020845.17967@u.washington.edu>, mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.041410.10215@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug28.012328.4841@u.washington.edu> mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >>	By the way, LONG before the Sourcebook was created, official 
|> >>	Star Wars literature (Star Wars Sketchbook, I think) did mention
|> >>	that the front claw on the Falcon IS for loading cargo.  So don't
|> >>	guffaw the Sourcebook too soonly!  After all, the Falcon is first
|> >> 	and foremost, a Correllian cargo ship!
|> >
|> >  You're right about the reported purpose of the front claw on the Falcon,
|> >but mistaken as to what the earlier people were complaining about.  The
|> >problem is that in the RPG Sourcebook, the cargo bay is in the BACK of the
|> >Falcon, so the pincers are nowhere near the cargo bay in the diagram produced
|> >by West End Games.  They were just saying that WEG was wrong.
|> >
|> 
|> 	Good point.  However, I fail to see how that claw could have 
|> 	been used by any sense to actually LOAD cargo onto the Falcon
|> 	anyway.  I think, instead of it being used to load the Falcon,
|> 	the claws are used to latch onto a large piece of space cargo
|> 	and tow it or load it onto a larger vessel or something.  The
|> 	cargo bay, as far as I know, IS in the back of the ship (surrounding
|> 	the turret ladder and underneath the floor for smuggling) as
|> 	long as the diagram gives enough room back there for those
|> 	incredibly oversize engines.
|> 	
|> 	The claw is so big and lacks any manipulator arms (as far as I 
|> 	know) so it could not be used for anything small that could be loaded
|> 	onto the Falcon's not-so-big cargo bay.  Perhaps the towing
|> 	vessel idea is a more reasonable one.

Actually, WEG has a major function of the "claw" on the front of the Falcon.  WEG shows a 
concussion missle launcher recessed within the "claw", and in RotJ, Lando fires several missles
at the main reactor.  These missles cleary come from the recession inside the "claw".  (Also, they
must be concussion missles because, Wedge couldn't dent it with his proton torpedos, and Lando
annihilated it).  With a missle launcher (and magazine) right inside the "claw" I don't see how
a cargo space could be put there.


Bryan Dunne (carolan@owlnet.rice.edu)

"What a piece of junk!!!"

"You came here in that thing?  You're braver than I thought!"

"She's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy!!"

-Comments on the Millenium Falcon
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 02:57:11 GMT

In article <mumble> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <grumble> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:

>>OK so he just removed some of them.  Back to my original question?
>>How come they aren't dragged in with the MF as well.  I doubt wimpy
>>little escape pods can get out of the tractor beam and I doubt that
>>this isn't detected by the Imperials.
>
>	Haven't you read any of the replies? The escape pods were jettisoned
>SOON AFTER TAKE OFF.  Not "while we were trying to pull them in". Even IF
>the Escape pods could escape the tractor beam, I'm sure a couple of TIE 
>Fighters could make short work out of the defenseless escape pods.
>This whole thing is probably a pre-thought-out scheme Han had in order
>to escape the Imperial Gov't...To paraphrase "even he gets boarded sometimes."

I think John is coming from the direction that we know Han & Company
did not jettison any of the escape pods 'shortly after takeoff' since
we watched their takeoff and no mention was made of it (wouldn't you
think that Luke would find such a procedure strange, jettisoning
escape pods for no reason?)

So what John is asking is if the only time Han could jettison the
escape pods is after the tractor beam already grabbed the Falcon then
why didn't anyone notice them? (At least that is how I see it.)

Of course, I agree with the idea that Han got rid of the escape pods a
long time ago and never bothered to replace them - the log entry was
obviously a fake taking advantage of the fact.

-- 
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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:23:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <l9nl5mINNakq@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>is the best. And anyone who things Jedi is even close to the other two is
>incomprehensible to me. I enjoyed Jedi when I first saw it, just because
>i I wanted to see the resolution, but as far a second or third viewings,
>this is a weak film. I've noticed typically at screenings of the trilogy,
>there is an exodus at the end of Empire. To anyone who really likes Jedi:
>How old were you when you saw it? 

	I dunno -- I can't remember when Jedi was released. Let's see. 
Star Wars was in 77? Figure what, 4 years after that, Empire, and another
4 maybe? for Jedi. So that would be '81, '85. Let's say 1984, assuming
that Jedi came out a little faster. That would make me 21-22, depending on
release date. I saw it within a few weeks of release.

	By contrast with (apparently) the majority of the hardcore SW 
fans, Empire is the one I like the least. I've seen it a total of maybe
4 times, 5 counting my recent re-viewing of the trilogy. I play Star Wars
and Jedi pretty often for my own entertainment, but I only get out 
Empire if I want to just clarify my impressions of that film or watch the
thing as a unified whole. To me, Empire is just a bridge, and a not very
interesting one, between the two. I dislike the dark atmosphere, the 
so-called character development is trivial, and nothing gets resolved.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:44:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:

>But, my question is, "Why keep it a secret?"  How would you profit from a
>surprise release?

Probably so that the cast and crew can have some peace and quiet.  A
public confirmation that George is indeed working on a new Star Wars
film (or three!) would be the story of the year.  Fans would be hounding
him and the cast day and night, people would be hanging around the set
hoping for pictures and autographs, and things would just be a big mess
in general.  If I were George, I'd keep it a secret too.


                                            --Steve Stelter
                                              sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:17:42 EDT
From: Eric Leven <ESL108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
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Hold up, hold up, folks. Get your stories straight. Here are the facts:
 A full size mock-up was created for Star Wars, but only the landing ramp area.
When Empire was being filmed, there was enough cash to create an entire full
size mock-up. This model was being stored in London between Empire and Jedi,
but was ruined by water damage where it was kept. Because there were few shots
in the storyboard of Jedi for a close up Falcon, they never built another
full size mock-up. All the shots of the Falcon in Jedi are matte paintings.
You can see this in the Rebel Cruiser hangar when Lando and Solo say their
goodbyes (and while Solo waits to take off in the Imperial Shuttle).
 The cut scene on Tatooine where the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing sit side by side
is also a matte-painting.

Eric Leven
Penn State
"Who gives a mynock's butt HOW Boba Fett died? Get over it!"
From: z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: ESB asteroid chase/ Lucas' age
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:39:40 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

The following two questions have almost certainly been asked before, but I
have only been on this net for two months and have never seen them:

1). During ESB, what is that orange flash in the asteroid field when the
    MF is being chased by TIE-fighters?  I think it occcurs right before
    the Falcon is rounding a large asteroid and a TIE gets the crap knocked
    out of him. 

2). Everyone keeps talking that George Lucas better hurry and finish the
    first and final SW trilogy before he dies.  Just how old is he anyway?
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Princess Leia's cell block
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:21:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Someone asked what the princess
cell block was.  It was cell #2187 in cell block AA23.
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From: gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:14:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Aug28.171404.1303
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In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even

	Han is supposedly one of the better smugglers in the galaxy, so...
It's possible he had fake logs and empty escape-pod bays "just in case."
Especially if he "several" and he and Chewie were the only crew under
normal circumstances...This would allow him to quickly hide in the cargo
holds if need be and might trick any Imperials in a rather large space-station
into thinking the MF was an abandoned ship when they caught it in the 
Tractor Beam.....
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