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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:41:06 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      re: "Executive Producer" is an oxymoron

(?) asked:

>Anyone out there want to recommend a good music magazine? How 'bout a good
>heavy metal magazine?

Sorry for missing this.  Let me suggest any of the major guitar mags:
Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Guitar School, and the other one
published by the people who publish Guitar School.  I believe that many
headbangers (e.g., one of my kids) get most of their metal knowledge
from them.

Did I miss a Joycean reference in Bloomdido?  I was supposed to read
Ulysses in freshman English, but I opted for the parties at Sig Ep
instead.  And, though I still have it, I haven't been able to bring
myself to read it in the (blush) 25 years since.
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:14:05 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Hank Crawford ?

A while back i asked about a Hank Crawford song it may have been Bluebird
I doubt it though, it had the word blue in it, someone repsonded and told
me the name of the album which it's on i was wondering if anyone could
tell me again. I know i didn't give you much to go on, but i have faith
in ya'll to provide the answer........L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:23:35 -0500
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Gentle Giant oops

  Yeah, MHB, you're right about that Gentle Giant guitar part on
3 Friends.  I realized on the way home yesterday that it was not
power chords, but loud, distorted single lines.  Come on, it was
more than 10 years and many brain cells ago.

  Received Ask The Ages and Jack Johnson yesterday.  Only ordered them
on Tuesday.  I live 30 minutes upstream from Noteworthy.  Didn't really
get a chance to listen to them (dinner guests), but what I heard I
liked.  Sander's sax reminds me of my 1 year old pbbbbhttt'ing his
lips!  And Sonny does have a f*cked up sax.  Only heard a couple of
secs of Mac's guitar on JJ.....

RG
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Subject: Re: Miles video: THEY DO NEFFERTITI!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:27:51 GMT

If it is Footprints, then it probably is the same thing they used on PBS
great performances.  I am surprised PBS didn't rerun this in September.
Maybe they will in May.

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:56:48 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      YOWZA

> guy, guy, Poke him in the eye, Put him on the bonfire, And there lit him die.
"
> Roast the "Guy" and watch his death throes (do not add the live cats to make
him
>  wiggle).  Roast sausages and potatoes in the fire and then set off the fire
> works.  Also eat "Bonfire Parkin" (oatmeal cake) or "Plot Toffee."  You may
>  wishto omit the carrying of burning barrels and the shouting of "No Popery."
>


I don't think this is Kosher.

Sonia

P.S. Personal post: I was about to lose my job because of budget cuts and
YESTERDAY I got offered another job DURING the interview (it's in my same
office--I ask you, how could any office afford to lose a psychedelic bondage
pinup), which
not only saves my butt but assures continuing NET ACCESS, my main concern next
to a paycheck.  Also hope you don't mind if I pass along a MAJOR thrill, right
next to getting the job:  at my guitar lesson last night I was totally
flipped out from continuing to work on my proposal at a mad, mad pace (due
tomorrow) and I guess this improved my playing because my guitar teacher
ACTUALLY said (and he doesn't hand out free compliments): "That's nice stuff."
I'm still walking on air from that, and what's weird is that I play my best
when I'm so spaced/freaked/weirded out that I just try anything... Is there a
moral here?  Excuse this personal stuff but wanted to share with all my net
friends.  You have to remember I'm a kindergarten guitar player trying really
hard to get into the first grade.  YOWZA!!!!
P.P.S. Demonic Chuckotronic: my teacher had listened to the Sharrock sampler
and his first words about it were: "Inspiring" --he really loved the stuff.  He
said, "That guy plays from the heart to the ear."  I think we've got another
convert.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:03:31 EST
From:         "(David M. Geoghegan)" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lazing on a Sunday afternoon

	HI
	Maybe the song youre thinking of is "lazing on a Sunday Afternoon" by Queen
 from A Night at the Opera

	Bicycling on every wednesday evening
	Thursdays I go painting at the Louvre
	I'm bound to be proposing on a satruday night
	But i'll be lazing on a sunday afternoon

	I t goes something like that. Has the harmonies.
					Dave
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From:         LAURAL@MIDD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anyone recognized these lyrics?

        Oh, my God, it's driving me NUTS!  I know every word to this "Sunshine
go away today" song, and have now been singing it for two hours now, but I
CAN"T REMEMBER WHO DOES IT!!!!  AAARRRGGGGHHH!
        I'll keep thinkin' about it, maybe it will come to me.  I hope!

Laura L
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From: oakland@ee.tamu.edu (Mark Oakland)
Subject: Lazing on Tuesday Night was Re: What I got this weekend (as far as cds)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:31:58 GMT

In article <9211101512.AA17612@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:
>Mike masuda <MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
>
>>BTW, does anyone out there knows a song that has the refrain
>>"sailing on a sunny (or Sunday) afternoon" in high pitched harmony, kinda
>>like Neil Young?
>
>Wasn't that the Kinks?
>
Both Queen and the Kinks had songs called "Lazing (On a Sunday Afternoon)".
The Kinks song is probably from 1963-'67.  I have it on a greatest hits tape.
The Queen song is on _A Night at the Opera_ from 1975 I believe.  They are
different songs.  I don't know how to fit Neil Young into this picture.

To change the subject:

Tonight my R&B/blues/rock band, the Worn Out Souls, is mixing a demo tape 
we recorded last week.  I'm a total novice in the studio but some of the
others in the band have logged some hours.  It's three songs that we can
give to people who own nightclubs or want to hire a band for a party, etc...

We need all the luck y'all can wish us.
Mark
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:59:08 EST
From:         DARON MCNAB <IDPM@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks!

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that called me childish, and stupid,
and an all-a-round asshole!  You just incouraged me to speak my mind freely
(oops I forgot, I can't on this list unless I agree with all of you).

By the way, while I was flipping through all your B.S. I came across someone
giving the Judas Priest fan a hassle.  Boy, that seems like the same thing I
did and got all this shit for.  But I'm sure you all will flame him the same
way!  NOT!

         Hugs and Kisses! (pewk)
               Daron
                    "I'm Demon alchohol..Ha Ha..."
                                               Ozzy
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:45:36 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Lazing on Tuesday Night was Re: What I got this weekend (as faras
              cds)

Mark Oakland said:

> Both Queen and the Kinks had songs called "Lazing (On a Sunday Afternoon)".
> The Kinks song is probably from 1963-'67.  I have it on a greatest hits tape.
> The Queen song is on _A Night at the Opera_ from 1975 I believe.  They are
> different songs.  I don't know how to fit Neil Young into this picture.

Thank you, Mark. Now I finally realized why this song was associated
(in my mind) with heavy guitar playing power chords. Isn't the next song
on _A Night at the Opera_ about 'a machine of a dream'?
           Ilia.
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:16:33 -0500
From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Zappa, etc. part 2

Holy Bob sez:
>existence doesn't prove teleology.  Just because things are the way
>they are doesn't prove that this is the way they were meant to be.
>Or do we live in the best of all possible worlds?

Things "being the way they were meant to be" does not imply being the
best of all possible worlds.

OMC:  We're building a practice room in my cellar.  What's a good cheap
source of sound insulation?

OMC2:  Sharrock's ATA does go into Coltrane mode on occasion.  I love
Elvin's playing, very lyrical.  Maybe a little too much solo drums on
the CD though.  Miles' Jack Johnson is a time piece too, makes me want
to put on bellbottoms.  Classic 60's/70's somewhat cheesy groove.  My
only complaint is the stagnent bass lines on Yesternow.  But the playing
on top is great.  ATA needs to have the bass pushed up; Sharrock plays
in a relatively low register.  JJ needs to have the bass pushed down.

OMC3: Woofer buster: the first bass notes on Flecktones UFOTOFU.

OMC4: Giant Steps was on a tape we made for the pre-band music at my
wedding.  The song always brings back images of that day (outside in June
with a stiff breeze).  I'd love to hear Sharrock do it.

OMC5 (lots of these today): My first exposure to Coltrane was to an
album my brother stole from the city library - Ascension (!).  WTF
was that?  I knew it was *supposed* to be good, but.....  Is it still
in print?

Russ
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In a previous article, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) says:

>>  You would poke fun at "Zappa's best drummer" (your words) even before
>>hearing this incredible album?  Have you no dignity whatsoever?

>RSJ cuts Wackerman.  Case closed. So there.

>In fact, after rehearing Roxy and Elsewhere, CW is no longer my pick for
>Zappa's best drummer.  It is Ralph Humphry and Chester Thompson.

  Oh, you're just mad because Wackerman has a happening gig with Mr. H.
No one will be turning blue holding their breath waiting for you to hear
this album (_Forty Reasons_; CMP CD 48, for those of you who don't mind
taking a suggestion from "n.n."). We know how you are... we know how I am.

>>  You're sinking to new lows for laughs. Redeem yourself, heathen!

>I didn't tell you this before, but when you were bemoaning Holdsworth's
>lack of interest by the Jazz community, I was going to say he would do
>better if he would hire Joey Baron.  Joey Baron is a hell of a
>drummer.  I didn't say it then, but I am saying it now.

  Joey Baron, all right. That's constructive. What can you recommend by him 
that might be relevant?

  Jeff ("n.n.")
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:42:17 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:22:09 PST Mike said:
>Ilia and allmusic,
>
>What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?

Lazy , Strange Kind Of Woman....Pretty much all of Machine Head, I got into
blues music for awhile and didn't listen to much else............ Even so
I think Lazy is a nice song.............L.W.
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Subject:      Re: Idiocy incarnate

Date sent:  6-NOV-1992 11:37:20
>
>I've got one word for you:
>
>                          GET_A_LIFE!

I've got one word for YOU:

			GET_A_CLUE!

Mike
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From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Ear Trouble

>I know some of you accomplished muscians can help me here, i have trouble
>"picking out" songs, even though i've been playing forever i got into
>Is there any advice (besides quit the run-on sentences) that some of you

Yeah quit the run-on sentences.  Seriously, learn some music theory.  You
can find the key (in a simple, non-modulating) song by playing lead notes
along with it, and if you understand the theory, you can determine the
key.  For example, you find you can use the A blues box to play along with
a song.  Most likely, that song is either in A or C, let's guess C.  With some
knowledge of theory, you'll know that other likely chords in the song, besides
C, would be G (the 5th), F (the 4th), Am (the 6th, note that it must be
minor, A major contains an C#).  Also Dm (2nd), and Bdimimished (7th). There
are all sorts of combinations of these chords, commonly 1-5, 1-4-5 (blues),
1-6-2-5.  So you try some of those chords.  If they don't sound right, try
some in the key of A (you figure them out :-).

Other things:  A common modulation (key change) is from the major to the
relative minor key, 1 to 6, eg. C major to A minor.  Hey, C major and A blues,
which is similar to minor, can be played out of the same 5th position blues
box!  When you start discovering things like that, and understanding why, it's
a whole new world, and picking up songs is a breeze (usually).

BTW, nice story about your anti-racist awakening.  And I think you got the
landslide wrong ;-)

Russ
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Subject:      Re: What Makes It This or That

The process of creating and using labels for genres always amazes
me. Why, do you think, do we have such a need? Most of us decry it,
especially when *asked* to define or defend, but it seems we all
indulge it; as if there were some point to it. What is it?
Michael Morse
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Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

Marsha-
        God, I miss singing too!  My favorite piece I ever performed has to be
the `Alles Was Odem Hat' , JS Bach.  Short and fast paced and totally
invigorating.   I love the Dello Joio that ya mentioned also.  Another song
I loved performing, but cant remember mucha bout, were these three pieces which
consisted of Lewis Carroll rhymes set to music.  They were a bitch to learn but
ablolutely amazing.  Can anybody come up with a composer for these?

        I was in an a cappella group last year, and one song that works
amazingly well is the Eurythmics "Sweet Dreams (are made of these)"  Ya get two
people to split up the base line alternating notes.
        Wish I was back there so I could still be singing!!!

Laura L
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From: CC29@IONA.BITNET (Ilia)
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Date: 10 Nov 92 23:11:42 GMT
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From: sheridan@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Matthew Sheridan)
Subject: PG Revisited Track Listing
To: gabriel@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Peter Gabriel Mailing List)

>Guys, don't go rushing out to buy this.  As said (somewhere) before,
>it's just a bunch of the songs from his first two albums.  It's
>released under Atlantic (I guess they're just trying to wring a few
>more bucks out of Peter's name).  The track listing is:
>
>1. On The Air
>2. Modern Love
>3. Indigo
>4. Solsbury Hill
>5. Perspective
>6. Waiting for the Big One
>7. Animal Magic
>8. Humdrum
>9. D.I.Y.
>10. Mother of Violence
>11. Slowburn
>12. Exposure
>13. Moribund the Burgermeister
>14. Flotsam and Jetsam
>15. Here Comes the Flood
>
>  Total running time: 62:05
>
>Note: These are exactly the same versions as on the original albums!
>There is nothing at all new here.  Granted, there are three cool
>pictures of Peter and a musician listing for the various songs ... bu  t
>that's all.

I have a version of "Here Comes the Flood" on Robert Fripp's _Network_,
which I suspect to be a compilation. Does this song appear on any
of Gabriel's albums?
          Ilia.
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In a previous article, MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET (Michelle May) says:

>See guys:

>        Leonard ain't so bad, after all.  Gee, Lenny, between that post about
>        how you value women and the one about the Children of Selma, I need
>        a Kleenex just to see my screen, my eyes are so watery.

  Funny... I need my hip-waders and my barf bag about now. How could you,
who have been here for at least 4 months, be moved by such an insincere
person's sap-story?  Have you ever seen how this guy apologizes for making
an idiotic crack on this list?  You think he's capable of sincerity?  If
so, P.T. Barnum had a saying about folks like you.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What Makes It This or That

Leonard asks the impossible:

Blues:  an attitude in the music to emulate or produce a feeling
        or mood of sadness and sympathy for the poor sod who sings it.
        Roots trace back to African chanting and Americanized
        version of it by the Afro-American culture.

Heavy Metal:  Blues played with hard rock combo before the period where
        jazz fusion entered into the blues,and after drums and
        bass became bigger sounding instruments.  R and B is
        closely related, but this uses more of a lighter drum feel
        where the kick and snare are not as prominent.  Guitar
        usually is fuzzed out to give it more expression and
        dynamics.  It is "Heavy" because it is bluesy stuff, man.

Hard Rock:  Band combo consisting of basic rock instruments:  electric
        guitar and electric bass, drums (preferably a big set),
        expressive vocals, and keyboards (optional).  Usually set
        apart from plain ol' rock by prominence on guitar.

Rock:   Combo (above) + other instuments. Does not include jazz,
        classical, R n B, blues, world music, etc., but will occasionally
        borrow from each on occasion.

Metal:  Lose the "heavy" bit and focus on the sound--harsh, cutting,
        biting.  Context of lyrics varies, but usually doesn't cover
        the lighter sides of life.

Michael M. Masuda
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Ear Trouble
              5 Nov 1992 13:54:29 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:54:29 -0500 Russ Gelinas said:
>
>Yeah quit the run-on sentences.  Seriously, learn some music theory.  You
>can find the key (in a simple, non-modulating) song by playing lead notes
>along with it, and if you understand the theory, you can determine the
>key.  For example, you find you can use the A blues box to play along with
>a song.  Most likely, that song is either in A or C, let's guess C.  With some
>knowledge of theory, you'll know that other likely chords in the song, besides
>C, would be G (the 5th), F (the 4th), Am (the 6th, note that it must be
>minor, A major contains an C#).  Also Dm (2nd), and Bdimimished (7th). There
>are all sorts of combinations of these chords, commonly 1-5, 1-4-5 (blues),
>1-6-2-5.  So you try some of those chords.  If they don't sound right, try
>some in the key of A (you figure them out :-).
>
>Other things:  A common modulation (key change) is from the major to the
>relative minor key, 1 to 6, eg. C major to A minor.  Hey, C major and A blues,
>which is similar to minor, can be played out of the same 5th position blues
>box!  When you start discovering things like that, and understanding why, it's
>a whole new world, and picking up songs is a breeze (usually).
>
Thats basically the way i do it i understand all of what you said and know
all that although i really don't consider it 'theory" i look at theory as
much more in depth...Well it looks like i'm going about it the right way.
I just need to go about it more

>BTW, nice story about your anti-racist awakening.  And I think you got the
>landslide wrong ;-)

I picked the Braves also......lucky for me i'm not a betting man....L.W.
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