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From: ozcomert@wam.umd.edu (John Ozcomert)
Subject: Re: Mirror Sites of cica
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:50:27 GMT

In article <BxyxHy.H4C@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
>Does anyone know if there exists other sites that
>mirror ftp.cica.indiana.edu?
>
>TIA.
>-- 
>
>Tarun Kripalani (of Permanent Wounded Knee )
>e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
>Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
>Kingston, Ontario.

Well, let's see.
There's:
wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) in mirrors2/win3
gandalf.umcs.maine.edu (130.111.112.21) 
grind.isca.uiowa.edu (128.255.19.233) in msdos/win3
all in the USA, or:
vmsa.technion.as.il (132.68.7.2)
funet.fu.net
monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
src.doc.ic.ac.uk
which are outside the borders of our fair land.
That should do it, I think.
John Ozcomert (ozcomert@wam.umd.edu)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Caching controllers <Was: RE: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc>
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:15:46 GMT

In <BxLvIJ.AtF@newcastle.ac.uk> P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (P.A. Brooks-Johnson) writes:


>In article <1992Nov11.092901.1644@msus1.msus.edu>, csas400@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>In article <dpn2.65.721007601@po.CWRU.Edu>, dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
>{Stuff deleted}

>>To make a long story short "if you get a caching
>>  disk controller YOU LOSE THE OPTION of where the memory gets used."

>I dissagree. I have a IDE chaching controller on my new PC (486DX-33). At first I was dubious of the benefits of a hardware chache over the software option, but not now.....

You're no doubt running MeSsy-DOgS.  This isn't nearly so clear-cut
under any OS that multitasks.

>The main advantage is that your main CPU is not burdend with the mundane chache control functions and can get on with pushing Windows (or whatever) along.

You're concerned about what your CPU might be burdened with in the way
of caching the drive and you're using an *IDE* controller?  The CPU
has to be sitting on top of it anyway, so what's the difference?  Get
a decent intelligent controller and try the whole thing again.

>It is particularly noticable to me when I'm compiling, I save then compile my source code, with the IDE chache this is done in parallel, software chaching could not do this.

Doesn't the CPU have to be involved in telling an IDE controller what
to do anyway?  Given that, what exactly is happening in parallel?  Or
do they put a secondary CPU on an IDE when it's set up to do caching?
If so (and I suspect that it IS so), *that* is where your extra speed
is coming from with a caching IDE drive.

>A further advantage is gained if you use "write-back chaching" (disk writes are chached as well as reads). If you use software chaching and your machine crashes (not so unusual even under Win 3.1) bang goes your new data... This does not happen in hardware chaching.

If the CPU is hosed, you're hosed anyway.  Why worry about minor
details like the cache not getting flushed?

[Oh -- please hit the key marked ENTER every 72 characters or so.]

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:14931 sfnet.atk.ms-dos:760
From: mak@snake10.cs.wisc.edu (Wing Mak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,sfnet.atk.ms-dos
Subject: Re: Windows cannot find my mouse?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:39:56 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization

In article <1992Nov23.161334.13831@abo.fi> MSUORANTA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mika Suoranta Tkkk) writes:
> 
>        MY WINDOWS DOES NOT FIND MY MOUSE!
>                
I had the same problem before as I had some problem with my modem in COM 1,
so I had to remove it and let the mouse as the only device on COM 2. It 
turned out that the windows 3.1 could not recognise the mouse anymore, even
I tried to reinstall the windows again. The solution to this problem is
to set the mouse to COM 1, as according to the tech support of my computer,
windows 3.1 by default tried to find the mouse from COM 1 first before it
go to other ports. Some devices(especially my errorous modem) if installed
in COM 1, may interfere with the mouse recognition process and windows may
be fooled that the mouse is in COM 1, therefore not proceed to the other
ports to look for a mouse. Hope this helps and other guys please correct
me if I am wrong.

--Eric.
From: 9118543@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: .gl viewer?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:31:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunvax.1992Nov16.213110.5639
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

Where can I get a .gl viewer from by FTP?
PS: .gl is the exension of an animation file..... 
Thanx
CK
From: kraai4712@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: F-PROT 2.06a released at Princeton U.
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:52:33 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov16.190348.28317@Princeton.EDU>, libbie@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Libbie Counselman) writes:
> F-PROT 2.06a may be copied from either CIT Information Center (at
> 87 Prospect, Room 105, or 6th Floor of New South.)   Please bring one
> blank, double-density or high-density 3.5" diskette, or two blank
> double-density 5.25" diskettes.

Uh, that's nice for people at Princeton.  I'm sure users in Finland and
Australia (and here in Iowa, for that matter) are very happy to know that. 

Would you like to suggest an Internet address where one could download this
gem?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: C580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo)
Subject: ST1144A setup codes for AMI BIOS
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:51:32 GMT

I lost my ST1144A seagate manual, and when I tried to install a new
CD-ROM into my PC, the CMOS setup reset itself. Now, I can't boot from my
hard-disk.  Please help.


Mine is a ST1144A seagate harddisk (125 Mb) and the BIOS is AMI.
I need the following info in order to fix my hard-disk setup.

   1) Sectors/Track
   2) Cylinders
   3) R/W Heads
   4) Pcomp  (what this?? )
   5) Wcomp  (what this?? )
   6) Lcomp  (what this?? )
   7) Formatted Mbytes



If you are using ST1144A hard-disk, please help me by providing the information
above.  Also, if you have SEAGATE or AMI phone number, please email it to me.

Thank you very much.

Albert Foo
Email:c580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: QUADTEL BIOS AND DOS 5.0
From: steven@gopher.dosli.govt.nz (Steven Brydon)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:07:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Survey & Land Information, NZ.

In article <1ek1n3INNf5l@golem.wcc.govt.nz> kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Damian Kennedy) writes:

   From: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Damian Kennedy)

   I am currently experiencing an *interesting* thing.

   When I boot the below system under MS-DOS 3.3 the A20 defaults to disabled (as you would expect it should with no HIMEM.SYS loaded). BUT when the exact system is booted on MS-DOS 5.0 the A20 is defaulting to enabled and I am unable to disable it.

   Has anyone else encountered this problem??
   Anyone got any ideas on how to disable the A20.?? A piece of software I have  
   requires the A20 be disabled when it initilizes the keyboard on installation.

   80386SX/20
   5MB DRAM
   QUADTEL BIOS and KEYBOARD BIOS.

   The boot disks I am using only contain IO.SYS/MSDOS.SYS and COMMAND.COM they are nice clean simple boot disks.

   KENNEDY_D@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ

We have a 386SX here with a QUADTEL BIOS KT-386SX V1

HIMEM.SYS version 3.07 (with DOS 5.0) complains with the following:

        Error: Unable to comtrol A20 line
               XMS driver not installed

DRDOS 6.0 memory manager worked fine though ?

I would be interested in anything you find out.

        Steven
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Wild backup idea
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:23:18 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Wed 18 Nov 92 18:08, Michel.davidoff@sonoma.edu (michel 
wrote:

 M> We are considering/thinking about this wild idea.

 M> We have a network of PC's on Ethernet and Localtalk.
 M> We'd like to "Backup" those machines to our Cyber.
 M> Sorry but no flame (We have no money).
 M> We are thinking about FTPing users Hard disks during the night.
 M> Any ideas/input expiernce would be helpful.
 M> The average Hard disk size is 30 MB.

Are you then going to leave all the machines on 24 hours a day, every day
so people don't have to remember when to not shut their machine down?  Or
are you going to physically send someone around to make sure the machines
to be backed up didn't accidently get turned off on backup day (night) for
that machine?

The specific users who won't cooperate with more typical backup schemes are
no more reliable with procedures like you have listed.  Sorry to sound
pessimistic, but this is a block I've been around - and you will end up
having to do one of the above (by the way, EMail doesn't work - when people
are done for the day, they go on automatic and worry about getting home,
not about the EMail they got an hour or so earlier).


-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Public Domain VT100 Emulator for MS-DOS, Source needed
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:25:29 PST

Does anyone know where, via ftp or otherwise, I can get the
source code to a public domain MS-DOS terminal comm program?
Preferably one with VT100 support.
Please respond via email if possible, I will summarize.

-Roger
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NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: F-PROT 2.06a released at Princeton U.
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:32:49 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

kraai4712@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>Uh, that's nice for people at Princeton.  I'm sure users in Finland and
>Australia (and here in Iowa, for that matter) are very happy to know that. 
>Would you like to suggest an Internet address where one could download this
>gem?  Thanks.

I upload the latest versions to two sites myself - oak.oakland.edu (look in
the /pub/msdos/trojan-pro directory) and eugene.utmb.edu.  It is also available
on SIMTEL20, garbo and (I hope) other major archive sites.  Look for
a file named FP-206A.ZIP.

-frisk
-----
Fridrik Skulason - primary author of F-PROT.
From: n9146070@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Jacob C Kesinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Printing a graphic screen... HELP!
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:25:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov18.232532.19349
Organization: Western Washington University

zandonad@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (marco zandonadi) writes:

>I'm a student in Informatics. I'm programming using Turbo Pascal 6.0.
>My problem is : I need to print a graphic screen (not a specific one,
>because I use Turbo's 'detect' function to identify the graphic card).
>Does Turbo support screen printing ? If not is there an alternative way
>of doing it (maybe with the printscreen key)?

>I have to add that I have little experience on PCs so your help will be
>very appreciated.

>Thanks in advance

>Marco

[.sig deleted]

Graphics.com (included with DOS) is one option.  You may have to mess around
with the parameters,however, especially the reverse screen option...

Jake Kesinger
n9146070@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: etxfln@eos.ericsson.se (Fredric Lonngren)
Subject: Re: Question about viruses
Reply-To: Fredric.Lonngren@eos.ericsson.se (Fredric Lonngren)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.102852.12248@bsu-ucs>, 00mafrank@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> I am having a problem with viruses where I work.  Can
|> Someone out there tell me some of the common IBM viruses
|> and what they do?
|> 
|> Also, what are some good programs for detecting viruses
|> and getting rid of them?
|> 
|> Mark Frank
|> Ball State University

Try F-PROT 2.06a [FP-206A.ZIP]. It will find almost all viruses, get rid of
most of them, and it's a complete menudriven fullscreen catalog describing 'em.
You can find it on simtel20 in PD1:<MSDOS.TROJAN-PRO>.
Good luck.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: rabe@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe)
Subject: File handles > 20 with TC++ 3.0 ?
Summary: How to open more than 20 files with Turbo C++ 3.0 ?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:29:25 GMT
Organization: Math MadHouse Bielefeld, Germany

Hi!

I think, the subjet says it all. I need to open about 40 files with
Turbo C++ 3.0.
Does anybody know how to do this?

As I don't follow this news group (I'am using OS/2 ;-), please send
e-mail to rabe@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de.

Thanks in advance

Matthias

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From: franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:39:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: MSDOS 5.0 vs DRDOS 6.0
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc

duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin) writes:

> IMHO, there are 2 ways to go with DOS right now -- either DR-DOS 6.0
> or MS-DOS 3.30. A few hassles I've had with DR's offering have
> annoyed me: "slow" floppy drives [why, BTW?]; ...
[deleted]
>				  Interestingly, most of the cool
> utils from DR-6.0 work fine under MS-3.30 [eg: SUPERPCK, ...

  Only the *first* access (after insertion) to a floppy is slow because
DR DOS 6.0 reads in the whole FAT for later faster access. This is
documented in one of the information files on Novell's BBS and FTP
system (no pointers handy, but can try to find them).
  If you use Super PC-Kwik then all subsequent accesses to your floppies
will be very fast. (On my system) There is however always a very short
access (floppy drive light) even if the data is already in the cache
(and the volume-change detection is working correctly). I never
understood why that is. I had the same "problem" with HyperDisk (do not
remember which version, but can find out).

> Buy DR-DOS 6.0. I doubt you'll regret it. [Or ditch DOS altogether :-)].

  Words of immortal wisdom!

Frank Slootweg
From: P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (P.A. Brooks-Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Caching controllers <Was: RE: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc>
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:55:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Nov17.191546.25855@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>Doesn't the CPU have to be involved in telling an IDE controller what
>to do anyway?  Given that, what exactly is happening in parallel?  Or
>do they put a secondary CPU on an IDE when it's set up to do caching?
>If so (and I suspect that it IS so), *that* is where your extra speed
>is coming from with a caching IDE drive.

I think we've got a crossed line. I'm talking about an IDE caching CONTROLLER with a built in 80188 processor and 1Mb RAM built in . When writing the main CPU passes the data down the bus to the drive as usual, but doesn't have to wait for the physical disk write because it goes (assuming it's less than 1Mb) into the cache controller's RAM. The main processor can then carry on, the 80188 puts the data on the drive in the 'background'

I hope that makes sense.....

Peter.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: stacker 3
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
	<SKNKWRKS.92Nov17192505@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu>
	<1992Nov18.164356.16392@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.164356.16392@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
>In article <SKNKWRKS.92Nov17192505@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu> sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
>>By tuning v3.0 to emphasize compression over speed, they say you can
>>get about 10% better compression.  Overall speed is supposed to be
>>about 25% better.  I just won a copy at COMDEX today...I'll have a
>>chance to play with it a bit. :-) (Don't know how much extra space
>>it'll create on a drive full of ZIPs, GIFs, etc.)

Speaking of which...Stacker is now installed on my system, where it
yielded an overall compression of about 1.2:1.  About 100 megs of the
drive's contents are made of ZIPs (1.1:1), ARJs (1:1), GIFs (1:1),
JPGs (1:1), and BXYs (1.1:1--BXY is an Apple II archive format based
on LZW).  SQD files (Squish data) for my BBS's message areas packed by
about 2:1.  EXEs went to about 1.5:1.  Some filetypes packed by up to
16:1.  I've taken a bit of a speed hit, but that would be expected on
a 286-12, don't'cha think? :-) I'm gonna try reinstalling Super
PC-Kwik and see if that gets speed back up to snuff...and if it means
I have to kill SRE (Solar Realms Elite, a doorgame), then so be it.

>  Well, I'm wondering if Stac has copied Superstor 3.0 and included
>JPEG image compression into their software.  Now, while this is nice if you
>want compressed images at a quality LOSS, I personally am not willing to
>sacrifice quality for disk space.  For those who have either Stacker of
>Superstor, can you turn off the JPEG image compression?  I mean, if I
>wanted JPEGs then I would have converted my GIFs myself.

So far as I know, Stacker doesn't have built-in JPEG compression.  I
wouldn't have much use for it even if it was built-in; most files on
my hard drive are compressed by other means to save download time.

I thought it was interesting that ZIP files could be further packed.
Most of the ZIPs on my system are sampled sounds and MODs...files that
aren't easily packed to begin with.  Then again, PKZIP isn't exactly
the best file packer in the world...it's only the most common.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: svensson@lysator.liu.se (Anders Svensson)
Subject: Windows graphics-drivers
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:13:50 GMT

Does anyone know where to get WIN3.1 drivers
for Western Digital WD90C11, if you know then
please leave a note


p.s if you have drivers at home, you could mail them to
me. d91an0sv@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 14:17:53 CST
From: <U28947@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: File transfer between two pcs

Are there any programs that will allow me to transfer files via my serial or
parallel port to another pc? If you know of any please mail or post.
Thanks in advance...

John
From: edwong@bu.edu (Edward Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: stacker 3
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:58:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

is stacker version3 any better than stacker 2?
besides that it supports windows.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: rasanen@cs.joensuu.fi (Jari Rasanen)
Subject: Contact information needeed (QUALTEC)
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:48:54 GMT



Please can somebody tell me the contact information of company
named QUALTEC (FAX number is ok).

It is producting security things like disk drive locks (File-Lok)

E-MAIL me at
rasanen@cs.joensuu.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Subject: Re: Joystick to PC Connection
Keywords: schematic diagram
Reply-To: olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:47:07 GMT

In article <16NOV199210004933@utrc.utc.com> wjm@utrc.utc.com (Bill) writes:
>I'm looking for some technical info on joystick connection to a PC game 
>port.  I know the game port pin out, but it is somewhat cryptic as to the 
>actual hookup.
>

You can attach two joysticks to the controller.  Each joystick follows
this wiring diagram:

                   +------------------ 1,9 +5VDC
                   |                   
                   +---/\/\/\-- 0-100K
                   |     ^
                   |     |    X-coord
                   |     +------------ 3,11 Timer
                   |                   
                   +---/\/\/\-- 0-100K
                           ^
                           |  Y-coord
                           +---------- 6,13 Timer

                   +------------------ 2,10 One-Shots
                 | o  #1 Button
                 | o
                   +------------------ 4,12 GND

                   +------------------ 7,14 One-Shots
                 | o  #2 Button
                 | o
                   +------------------ 4,12 GND

Pins 1-7 Are for Joystick A, pins 9-14 are for joystick B.  You can also
use paddles, having only one 0-100K pot and one button per controller. 
The data show up in the same place but are named differently.  Here's a
chart of the the byte at 201H:

Bit     |  7  |  6  |  5  |  4  |  3  |  2  |  1  |  0  |
Joystick|B-#2 |B-#1 |A-#2 |A-#1 | B-Y | B-X | A-Y | A-X |
Paddle  |  D  |  C  |  B  |  A  |  D  |  C  |  B  |  A  |
Pin     | 14  | 10  |  7  |  2  | 13  | 11  |  6  |  3  |
Device  |<-------Buttons------->|<------Resistors------>|

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