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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: advice sought on bathroom cleaners
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:53:09 GMT

In <lkm518INNpl@news.bbn.com> docreq@BBN.COM (Robin Coffman Martin) writes:

>Our well water has a high iron content, and is leaving unsightly stains in the
>toilet.  I'd like to clean these using cleansers that will not harm our septic
>system.  Does anyone have recommendations for chemical-free, effective
>cleaners?

Chemical-free is sort of meaningless, unless you want to vacuum
the stuff off, since even water and baking soda are chemicals as
well as good cleaners.  In order of mildness:

Most of the stains can be avoided by wiping the bowl with a rag
every day or two so the scale doesn't have time to set up too
hard.

If you aren't in an area that has problems with phosphates,
gelled phosphoric acid cleaners do very well on iron stains, and
are compatible with septic systems.  They work chemically, not
abrasively, so they're especially useful when cleaning fiberglass
or other soft surfaces.

For really thick hard water deposits, "Whink" brand hydrofluoric
acid eats it up, but this is nasty stuff.  It can bleach
non-white surfaces, etch many finishes, and cause serious burns.
I'd only use it if you were cleaning up old fixtures when you
first move into a place and need to clean up after someone
messy.
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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: don@muff.webo.dg.com (Don Perkins)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:21:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: don@muff.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Dec31.080508.8720@mtu.edu>, pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell) writes:
|> 
|> If you REALLY want to be economical about it, build yourself either your
|> own wind mill or solar system, or both. After all, there aren't too many
|> reports of complaints because of reduced radiant heat due to people sucking
|> up all the solar energy hitting the ground or degradation of air currents
|> because of too much wind usage.

OK, I'll bite.  Can anyone out there give me the name(s) of people who make/sell
and install COMPLETE solar (and/or wind) power systems.  I don't just want a
catalog of components, I got lots of those already.  I want a complete system,
one that comes with a warrenty and service when I need it.

--
Don P.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Straw Bales as Bldg Blocks?
From: jlykset@eis.calstate.edu (Jon D. Lyksett)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:56:33 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

there was a book in the late 60's-early 70's called "Shelter" that went
into hay/straw bale construction quit a bit.  the important thing is to
put some lime into your baler and between courses. (keeps the mice/rats
out of the structure).  drive rebar or wood pegs through the bales to lack
them together.  wire chicken wire on the outside and stucco up with
mud/straw/adobe-like plaster to seal out the wind and put a roof on it.

built a 12 x 18 ft cabin for an alternative housing fair in '74 like this.
everybody liked it.

good luck.

jon
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: farmall h
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:24:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

From article <3237@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, by marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka):
> 
> We just bought an old tractor. International Farmall H. I understand
> there are places to get parts. And manuals. Anyone have any info?

Try Central Tractor Farm and Family Centers.  Their catalog center is in
Iowa (or one of those I states :-), but you could call the one I know of
in Quakertown Pennsylvania (info for that area is 215/555-1212) to get
the main number.  They handle both new and used parts for vintage machinery
(not just tractors), and manuals too.  Lots of general farm merchandise too.
I've generally been happy with their quality and price.  The only exception
was a cheaply-made radiator for my Ford 9N, which they cheerfully took back
with full refund.

Steve Frysinger
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Subject: Re: farmall h
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:47:29 GMT

     manuals:
     Clarence L. Goodburn Literature sales
     RT. 2 RP  Box 157
     Madelia, MN    56062
     (507) 642-3281/8481
 
     Loyd J. Wenger
     831A Hill top Rd.
     Meyerstown, PA 17067
     (717) 866-7147
 
     Parts:
     Rice Equipment
     20 North Sheridan Road
     Clarion, PA    16214
     (814) 226-9200
 
     Clubs:
     International Harvester Collectors
     R.R. 2   Box 286
     Winamac, IN        46996

	DonB
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: IMPORTANT Re: smokey basement
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:54:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.152510.12963@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ddt@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.treat) writes:
>
>I have a wood burning stove in my family room.  The draft is sometimes
>poor, but sometimes OK.  The times it is poor, smoke comes into the room
>rather than up the flu when the stove door is opened to add wood.  Sometimes
>the smoke actually travels _down_ the flu and through the cleaning door
>and into the basement.

This is called "backdraft", and it's a *VERY* dangerous problem/condition.  It's
caused by number of contributing factors including fireplace/stove/flue design,
other vents/chimneys in the house, and how airtight the house is.  It occurs when
the pressure in the house is lower than the pressure outside the house (often due
to fan-powered exhausts for range hoods, clothes dryers, bathroom vents, etc). 
When you've got a good, hot fire going, the draft up the chimney is strong enough
to overcome the pressure differential by sucking air though other openings in the
house.  As the fire slows and cools, though, the reduced draft eventually loses
the tug-o-war and air starts flowing into the house through the chimney.  The
danger is carbon monoxide poisoning from the wood fire exhaust gases.

It is, unfortunately, all too common for entire households to die in their sleep
when the roaring fire they had going before they dozed off slows and backdraft
occurs.

I implore you to not use the stove until you've corrected the problem. 
Even if you've got a gas furnace you could be at risk of backdraft.  Contact
local HVAC contractors and/or the local fire department for suggestions on how to
fix it.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)                 Computers should work the way beginners
Martin Marietta Energy Systems           expect them to, and one day they will.
Workstation Support                                                -- Ted Nelson
From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: farmall h
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:45:46 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <3237@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:
> 
> We just bought an old tractor. International Farmall H. I understand
> there are places to get parts. And manuals. Anyone have any info?
> 
> I am in central Texas, but mail order is fine too.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Oh I know those....  We used to have one... They will run their little
hearts out.  I suppose International should have them.. if not, try your
local agriculture extension agent..

Jim..

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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:51:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.151106.26908@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>No pollution from nukes?  You ever hear of a place called "Chernobyl"?
>
>The nuke plants in the US are somewhat different from Chernobyl.
>None of ours have blown up. You'd be sure to hear about it in the paper.
>I have a problem worrying about the potential problems we might face
>with nukes when every day tons of pollution from burning fossil fuels gets
>spewed into the air. Sloppily run nukes *might* cause a problem at some
>time in the future. Every day the burning of fossile fuels *does cause*
>great problems.

You might be happy to know..just the other day, I was reading some cattle
magazine from the Kansas area (don't remember the name), and they mentioned
that one of the big manufacturers (Dodge, Ford, Chevy?) of pickups has
introduced a propane powered pickup to their line as a standard option. I
don't remember which one it was. 
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: kendall@sceng.ub.com (Greg Kendall)
Subject: Re: farmall h
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:31:36 GMT

In article <3237@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:


>We just bought an old tractor. International Farmall H. I understand
>there are places to get parts. And manuals. Anyone have any info?

>I am in central Texas, but mail order is fine too.

>Thanks.

Have you tried Internationl Harvester, the manufacturer of the Farmalls?
Back when I worked in auto repair (circa '65-'78) you could still buy any
part for a Farmall down at th IH dealer.  I don't know about now, but I
would be interested to hear from other NETers about their current support.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Hearths for woodstoves
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:28:24 GMT

Apologies if this doesn't quite fit with this newsgroup, but
we really need some help...

We're in the process of getting a woodstove, and have run into
some confusion on the question of hearths. Does anyone out there
know something about this subject? specifically, how thick does
the stone or brick need to be, does there need to be anything 
underneath it (heat shield, "wonderboard"), do you need to
reinforce the floor if you put in a masonry hearth, are there
any good books to consult on the subject,
etc.

We`ve spoken to a mason, two woodstove stores, a chimney/woodstove
installer, a stoneyard, the town building inspector, various friends,
and read a few books, and everyone seems to say something different
(e.g. you need 6" thickness of stone, you need 1" thick of stone, you
do need a heat shield, you don't need a heat shield, and so on.

Any help appreciated! Please reply via e-mail to selvin@nynexst.com.
Thanks.

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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 22:42:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan6.164106.29649@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, jimc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Cox) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan05.234549.790@news.mentorg.com> philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:
|>  
|> >Every gas appliance with a pilot light that I have EVER seen has
|>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >a valve, which is held open by a bi-metal strip, which is heated
|> >by the pilot light - when the pilot light goes out, the bi-metal
|> >strip (quickly) bends, and the valve snaps shut, cutting off the gas.
|> >That is why you have to press the little button, and keep it pressed
|> >for a few seconds when you (re)light the pilot lights.
|> >Pressing the button opens the valve, and you wait for the bi-metal
|> >strip to warm up and hold the valve open.
|> >
|> >Philip
|> 
|> Then you have not seen my stove, which was installed new about 9 years
|> ago by the builder.  My Magic Chef? brand has no such push button.

Maybe I need to qualify my above statements by explaining that
the word EVER refers to 30 years in England, 10 years in France
and many visits to all sorts of other countries.

Maybe non-US manufacturers (and governments) have more strict rules
about killing off random members of the population.

I would check local building and fire regulations - I would be
*very* surprised if it is even legal to have pilot lights without
automatic gas cutoff.

Philip
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: hollen@megatek.UUCP (Dion Hollenbeck)
Subject: Keep grease out of septic tank?
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:47:35 GMT

Have been following septic tank discussions and would like some more
info.  How do you all keep grease out of a septic tank?  Large amounts
can be cooled and removed from pan before washing (BTW, what do you do
with it then, it cannot be composted can it?).  Will trace amounts let
into the washing water be harmful?  What about body and facial grease
in the bathroom?  Do the soaps used neutralize it?

Also, is there a septic tank FAQ?

-- 
Dion Hollenbeck                        Email: hollen@megatek.com
Senior Software Engineer                      megatek!hollen@uunet.uu.net
Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California    ucsd!megatek.uucp!hollen
From: conley@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:37:24 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan4.151106.26908@hubcap.clemson.edu>, hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>No pollution from nukes?  You ever hear of a place called "Chernobyl"?
> 
> The nuke plants in the US are somewhat different from Chernobyl.
> None of ours have blown up. You'd be sure to hear about it in the paper.

There has been at least one, and possibly two, that exploded years ago in
a gov't research lab in Idaho. The feds won't talk about it.

-- 
|Dennis R. Conley, Computer Science Dept., University of Kansas (913)864-7372|
|conley@hawk.cs.ukans.edu			    conley@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu|
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Newsgroups: misc.rural

/ hpindda:misc.rural / Jeff Brooks <JEFF@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> / 10:10 am  Jan  5, 1993 /
>I'm restocking a farm woodlot gone to seed, and I'm looking for a
>nursery source for white ash (preferably 2-4 foot unbranched, with
>good purple fall color, as it'll lie nearest the house).  I don't
>need seedless ash cultivars, since I'd just as soon feed the birds,
>and seedling control shouldn't be a problem for us.
----------
In CA, you can contact the Department of Forestry and buy seedlings from
them, so I assume you should be able to do this where you are.  Normally,
then only sell to those people doing replanting of hillsides and such and
are not concerned with commercial nurseries.  They will send you a list
of commercial nuseries that sell different quantities than they do.  I
went through them to get 500 2-year old redwood saplings (bareroot).  They
cost me $100 and I signed that they were going on my land.  Unfortunately,
I've lost nearly half to drought and such over the last three years.  I
still have to water them during the summer which is also part of the deal
since they may come and inspect what you've done - doubtful since small
one-time purchases probably don't mean that much to them and there is 
little chance of fraud.  Normal quantities are 50, 100, 500, and 1000 
unit lots - depends on the species involved.
From: docreq@BBN.COM (Robin Coffman Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: advice sought on bathroom cleaners
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:17:28 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: docreq@BBN.COM (Robin Coffman Martin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Our well water has a high iron content, and is leaving unsightly stains in the
toilet.  I'd like to clean these using cleansers that will not harm our septic
system.  Does anyone have recommendations for chemical-free, effective
cleaners?

You can email me directly (rcoffman@bbn.com) or reply here.

Many thanks,

Robin
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: felling `fallen' tree
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:47:50 GMT


Last month we had a heavy, wet snowfall and fairly strong winds which wrought havoc with the trees in our area (Southern New England). In the woods out back of my house there are a couple of trees that broke at the base of the trunk and are leaning at about 45 degrees on neighboring trees. These are 60-70 foot oaks and I'd like to harvest the wood but I'm a little stuck for how to do so safely.

I was thinking of using the chainsaw to notch the underside, then work from the top with an ax (axes don't kick-back if the wood pinches them) and tying a stout rope or chain to the `moveable' part to keep it from coming after me when it comes loose.

I think this will work OK for some of the tree, but what about the part that's snagged on it's neighbors? Pull it down with a winch?

Comments? suggestions?

Carl

When I stop learning, bury me.
From: marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: farmall h
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:45:12 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX
Originator: marym@tzone.mpd.tandem.com


We just bought an old tractor. International Farmall H. I understand
there are places to get parts. And manuals. Anyone have any info?

I am in central Texas, but mail order is fine too.

Thanks.

From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:09:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.rural

Please take the "nuke" talk to sci.energy where it is constantly being
argued.  Few rural homes could ever afford a nuclear electric system. :)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: roberson@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES D ROBERSON)
Subject: Re: advice sought on bathroom cleaners
Originator: roberson@water1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: roberson@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES D ROBERSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:09:48 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.215309.5260@Happy-Man.com>, josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

> 
> For really thick hard water deposits, "Whink" brand hydrofluoric
> acid eats it up, but this is nasty stuff.  It can bleach
> non-white surfaces, etch many finishes, and cause serious burns.
> I'd only use it if you were cleaning up old fixtures when you
> first move into a place and need to clean up after someone
> messy.

Ah yes, Whink.  WE used this stuff years ago on my father's old white
Chevy where riding with his arm out the window for 10+ years finally
wore the paint down enough that light rust would periodically appear.
Whink would completely eliminate it (along with some of the paint).
Definitely strong stuff.

jim
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: earp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J.Kevin Earp)
Subject: Re: farmall h
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:06:24 GMT

In article <3237@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:
>
>We just bought an old tractor. International Farmall H. I understand
>there are places to get parts. And manuals. Anyone have any info?
>
>I am in central Texas, but mail order is fine too.
>
>Thanks.
>

My wife bought a 1940 Farmall H a few months ago and we were on the 
same quest.  In Ohio we have Quality Farm and Fleet and TSC (Tractor
Supply Company) who service the Ag community.  If there's anything
similar there try them.  I wanted to buy the manual at Quality, but
my wife felt the $40 (I think) price was too high.  I haven't seen 
it anywhere else, though.  The manual was pretty comprehensive.  They
had a lot of normal maintenance parts for it, but they had to take
an educated guess when estimating battery cost.  When we brought the
old one in to trade, though, they said, "Oh, that one.  Okay, here you
go."  No problem (and she starts great!  No more cranking!)

Enjoy your old fella.  My wife wanted one because her family had one 
years ago and it was a sentimental thing.  She claims she's going to
sand it down and restore it to its old appearance.  I told her to have
fun.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel)
Subject: Re: Power company easement
Summary: high voltage?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:21:41 GMT

jch@jch@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu (Jeffrey C Honig) writes:

>Our local power company (NY State Electric and Gas) just contacted me
>to request an easement to put a power pole on our property.  Are there
>any liabilities or disadvantages if we agree to this?  
>
>One advantage I can see is that it's proximity to the barn would allow
>us to have a seperate electrical service installed for the barn.  

Well, if they're the high-voltage variety (ie. 100,000 V or so), just
put a coil in the barn and run your lights off the induced voltage :-)

Robert Enenkel
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: neilm@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Neil Mager )
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43
Distribution: misc
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:10:34


> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:

> The nuke plants in the US are somewhat different from Chernobyl.
> None of ours have blown up. You'd be sure to hear about it in the paper.


  Read a book called like "The day we almost lost Detroit". Its
  about the Fermi I reactor near Detroit and a little problem they
  had there.
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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: don@muff.webo.dg.com (Don Perkins)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:10:50 GMT
Distribution: misc
Reply-To: don@muff.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp.
Followup-To: misc.rural

In article <NEILM.93Jan4141034@verges.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, neilm@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Neil Mager ) writes:
|> 
|> > hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
|> 
|> > The nuke plants in the US are somewhat different from Chernobyl.
|> > None of ours have blown up. You'd be sure to hear about it in the paper.
|> 
|> 
|>   Read a book called like "The day we almost lost Detroit". Its
|>   about the Fermi I reactor near Detroit and a little problem they
|>   had there.

And of course, let us not forget Three Mile Island...

|> --
|> ===============================================================================
|> Neil M. Mager
|> MIT Lincoln Laboratory       Lexington, MA
|>   Weather Radar - Group 43
|> 
|> Internet                    <neilm@juliet.ll.mit.edu>
|> Voice                       (617) 981-4803
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|> 
|> 

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Don P.