Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Woody and Mia
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:11:20 GMT
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In article <1992Aug24.224152.18628@ads.com>, charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.101433.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>>
>>  However, from the response of the media here in Los Angeles, the general
>>opinion is that Mia, in proferring charges which even you admit are probably
>>false, has crossed the lines of all propriety. This "The ends justify the
>>means" mentality, first championed by feminists in the Time Masgazine article
>>on date rape, has created a backlash of public opinion which feels that
>>women are NEVER justified in bringing false charges of sexual misconduct
>>into divorce or child custody proceedings. The consensus is that too many good
>>men have suffered loss of their families due to such lies, and the overwhelming
>>tone of the coverage in Los Angeles is an outright attack on women who try to
>>use such tactics.
> 
> Ah yes, Los Angeles--the heartbeat of America.

  Don't forget, California all by itself would be the 7th most powerful nation
on Earth. That's a LOT of beating hearts, and we all have as much right to
opinions as everyone else.

> 
>>  To paraphrase yourself, I'm  confident though that Mia will get what she
>>deserves!!!!!
> 
> Hanging, or just drawn and quartered?  How about burning at the stake?

  I would be willing to settle for reinstating the presumption of innocence for
men in divorce and child custody hearings. Women would be required to actully
prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that incidents had actually occurred.


> 
> Nice to see that you're keeping an open mind, Michael.  And of course, public
> opinion is *never* wrong.

  I have, perhaps, good reason to find the present change a positive one. Back
when my ex used a phone sexual abuse charge to dump about 30K of her credit 
card debt on yours truly, there WERE no open minds at all. Public opinion,
feuled by the feminist media hype about how all we men are rapists and abusers
who NEVER want to be fathers, pre-ordained the presumption of my guilt. My
attorney, who had had the same thing done to him by HIS ex wife, advised me
of the futility of fighting such a bogus charge.

  But, as they say, that was then, and this is now.

  Here in Los Angeles, we have an organization called The Parent Connection,
run by Dr. Jane Majors. In the last 9 years they have built up a record
of helping men successfully fight false sexual allegations in the courtroom,
and in many cases have successfully countersued against the person bringing the
false charges, winning both total custody and financial concessions for the
falsely accused men. 

  The recent case with Woody Allen has brought the focus  of media onto 
the epidemic use of such false charges in divorce and child custody. 
California courts, with the fiasco of the McMartin witchhunts still
in recent memory, is beginning to re-evaluate the wisdom of accepting a 
woman's story at face value without any substantiation. Even the testimony of
so-called "experts" is being re-examined as it becomes apparent that the
funding for many child protective services continues only so long as their are
enough court convictions to "prove" a need. Like the witchcraft trials of
Europe, the wealth and power of the "experts" continues only as long as
there are witches to burn. Is there anyone here today who is so foolish as 
to think that all 250,000 tortured and burnt victims encompassed a real
population of necromancers?

  Sadly, in the end, it is the genuine victims who will also bear the burden
of the backlash. That is an inevitable price of having started the
"cry rape whenever you can" trend. People look back on the sentiments
expressed in the TIME Magazine article on date rape( that of using false
rape charges even in non-sexual situations, and of not having to care
if such charges hurt a man or not), and realise that while there were
immediate financial and political benefits for those women who DID
hurl charges at their enemies, the long term costs to the credability
of feminists greatly outweighed those benefits. Instead of being a movement
based on fairness and equality, people have begun to realise that much of
latter day feminist thought was an "ends justify all means", and a "win at
all costs" mentality. Such "ethics of expediency" are very desctructive of
society as a whole, and nowhere is that more apparent than in the
discarding of basic legal principles such as the presmption of innocence.
When such basic protections are offered up as sacrifice on the altar of
feminine political empowerment, the legal system stopes bring a public servant
and becomes merely another weapon used to hurt each other.



  Woody Allen passed his lie detector test. When will Mia submit to one?





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