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From: croehrig@carib.cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig)
Subject: Re: Followup to my SY99/mega synth searches
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:56:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.175158.21741@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)  
writes:
> Now Yamaha is coming out with the new SY85, a scaled down version of
> the SY99.  It's basically an SY99 without the AFM (FM synthesis) part.
> That makes the SY85 basically a sample player with back-end FX and a
> sequencer + RAM storage for downloading your own samples.

Arrgh!!    Does this mark the end of FM synthesis from Yamaha?
FM synthesis gives me one thing that I can't find on any other platform:
the ability to easily change the _dynamics_ (or "action") of the  
instrument in complex and interesting ways.   The joy of playing a  
keyboard isn't in the whizz-bang sounds that it makes, it's in how it  
responds to your playing.   I have still yet to play a synthesized  
electric piano that comes even close to capturing the action and tone 
a properly set-up Fender Rhodes, but I've got a great DX-7 (now SY-77)
e.p. patch that I've been tweaking for a few years that has the same 
kind of dynamic response.   The tone isn't that close to a real Rhodes,
but it's the action that makes it a joy to play.  I was hoping that
I'd get a closer tone with an SY77 by using samples, but I'm more  
convinced now that pure FM is the way.   Looks like I'll have to go back
to James Justice's paper on FM analysis...  

Synth manufacturers (and programmers) don't seem to care much about the
action, but it's as important (if not more) than the tone of the
instrument.   All Yamaha's presets are flat and 1-dimensional,  but
FM synthesis is the best medium available for tailoring the action, 
albeit not in the most intuitive way, and if you spend time continuously
tweaking, and _playing_, you can get really good patches out of it.
Ones that you can consider to be favourite instruments, like your acoustic
guitar that you've built your own nut and bridge for and have gotten the
action "just so", or your Rhodes that you've rebuilt each tine, built your
own internal preamp-equilizer, and have finally gotten a decent action
out of.  As soon as you enter the realm of samples, you lose most of the 
ability to make real changes to the action.

I was disappointed with a few short-sighted features of the SY77, but
hoped that somewhere down the line, Yamaha would come out with another
great synth engine, similar to the SY99, but with 61 keys (so it'll fit 
in my rack!), but their latest releases seem to confirm my worst fears:
that the SY99 will be the last FM workstation from Yamaha.


Chris Roehrig     (croehrig@cs.ubc.ca)
University of British Columbia, Canada
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon Nunis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:28:23 GMT
Subject: 4-track machines
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

hi everyone,

well, its me again...this time, i am looking at 4 track machines.  ah, yes...
the question (of course)...

i was looking at the tascam 424 and sort of liked the idea that i can
use 8 inputs + tape tracks for a final mix of 12 channels...

then i saw some ad of a fostex x280...and i thought...hey it looks nice
and i was wondering if it can handle 8 channels too?  also, can it work
with microphones?  i basically want to carry this unit with me so it
has to be relatively small (like the 424)...

does anyone have any experience with these machines?  i would like to
hear about anything you have to say...also, how do they compare when
you need to sync with a computer sequencer?

and i really need 8 channels...yes...and mics that is...

thanks...

simon  ;)
From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: A note of warning- ST/Dr. T's
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:36:42 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <cscDoB9w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy) writes:
> It would seem that Dr. T's software is loosing interest in the Atari 
> world.  They have NO PLANS for support the TT (though others are quite 
> happy with the machine).
> With the ST line disappearing in the near future, who knows WHAT they're 
> going to do?  2 people I have spoken to have been having problems with 
> the people on the Tech support line also.  (This never used to happen, to 
> any great extent).  I've also heard that Dr. T's has been bought, but not 
> by who.
>  
> All does not bode well for the ST/TT/Dr. T's connection, it would seem.

Well, my bet:

They are aiming for the Atari Falcon, which should be really good
value for money. It is supposed to be ST-compatible and available this
Fall. 

			Jouni
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JV80
Summary: slightly more commentary
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:31:26 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <9207221354.AA02786@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>Comment -->  Barf...
>
>John

Harrump. well, in more detail, it's a decent sample player for the money
and has a lot of memory expandability options, and is easy to work with
in that it gives you eight sliders on the front panel: but it doesn't have
the long keyboard, solid bottom end, or big display of the D-70, so I don't
consider it an adequate substitute. For that much cash, find a used D-70
and rock out.


--
metlay@  | 
minerva. | "YOW! He done blowed out his FRONTAL LOBE!"
phyast.  |                                          --Cheech's assistant
pitt.edu |
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Vintage Synth : BIT 01
Summary: Run do not walk RUN in the other direction
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:38:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.synth
Organization: Atomic City

In article <GEORG.92Jul22122536@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de> georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller) writes:
>A friend lent me his BIT 01 Rack Expander (serial no 67), so I'm able to 
>give you sort of a review of this Crumar synth from 1986. The BIT 01 is 
>the expander version of the BIT 99, which is the successor of the 
>BIT ONE from 1985.

I owned a Bit One from the original Italian maker (Bit Electronics), before
Crumar began building it. If you ever see one of these machines, give it a
listen, but DON'T plan to integrate it with any remotely complicated MIDI 
setup: the implementation is totally braindead. I got the Bit One as a spare
MIDI keyboard for my rig, and unloaded it after my studio log reached eight
pages of MIDI bugs, kluges and fixes. Ugh. 

Later versions gradually improved in MIDI capability, up until the Unique
DBK and DBM, the latest versions. For the money you'd be better off with a
JX3P, frankly.


--
metlay@  | 
minerva. | "YOW! He done blowed out his FRONTAL LOBE!"
phyast.  |                                          --Cheech's assistant
pitt.edu |
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From: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk (Toby Hart Dyke)
Subject: Re: Why are there synths?
Reply-To: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:17:40 +0000


[ross-c's very interesting and informative post deleted]

>bollocks
>
>

     Er, I'm afraid you'll have to believe me that this was a *TOTAL* 
accident. I don't even know how it happened! This is very embarassing.....

     Toby "red-face" Hart Dyke       thart@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Followup to my SY99/mega synth searches
Summary: Trends and anit-trends
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:00:32 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul31.022906.5316@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:
>
>Hey Metlay!  Does this mean I should go out and buy an Obi Expander?

If there's one thing I hate, it's rhetorical questions. Of COURSE you
shouldn't buy an Xpander, you 01/w-loving dweeb. Leave them for the
REAL men out there....
|->


--
dr. michael metlay          \  "Warning: This is not normal music.
atomic city                  \  This is heavily processed pain."  
                              \ 
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \                       (r. miller)
From: metlay@venus.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: F.M. (was Re: Nash the Slash Rises Again!!!)
Summary: With Rush....
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:48:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul24.212322.2332@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock) writes:
>Geez, *two* violin players.  Which one did the violin on Rush's "Losing It"
>(from Signals)?

Ben Mink did. They opened for Rush on the "MovingPictures/ExitStageLeft" 
tour in 1980; I saw them at the Coliseum (sic!) in Cleveland, and they
absolutely kicked ass. I was MOST pleasantly surprised, and promptly went
out and bought every one of their albums, back when you COULD find them.




--
dr. michael metlay          \ 
atomic city                  \ "ZIS ist ze pahrt ov Shprocketz vhen ve TANZ!"
                              \ 
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \                                     (dieter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tim@kubvx1 (Tim van der Avoird, Tilburg University)
Subject: Yamaha TX16W Sampler Memory Expansions Wanted
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:35:00 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands
Keywords: Sampler
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


I own a Yamaha TX16W Sampler and sometimes I love the machine and
sometimes I hate it. Great sound, lousy operation...

Does anybody know where I can buy memory expansions for this sampler
(I believe, these expansions are called EMM-1), if they are still
available?  

Thanx.

Tim

========================================================================
Tim van der Avoird                                           tim @kub.nl
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive
From: acoles@bwdls59.bnr.ca (Andrew Coles)
Subject: Re: Nash the Slash Rises Again!!! NEW RELEASE
Reply-To: ACOLES@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Woodline, Ottawa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:39:35 GMT

Does anyone know what's happened with F.M.?  a few years back they were going
write and release a two record set, but that was the last I heard.
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12759 comp.music:3860 comp.sys.mac.misc:13892
From: mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Mastertracks Pro 4.2 and Apple midi manager
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:19:20 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Does Mastertracks Pro 4 version 4.2 work with Apple's most recent
version of midi manager??

BTW, what sequencer software work with Apple's midi manager?  Also,
is the manager still buggy like it was when it came out?????




-- 
_______________________________________________________________
                   |   'What's up DOC?'
   mars@ucsd.edu   |  			Bugs Bunny
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:06:15 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      New England Digital

Date sent: 28-JUL-1992


     I'm not sure about who may have bought NED, but this appeared in the
latest issue of MIX:

NED ON THE BLOCK
     New England Digital Corp. has released its emplyees and shut down
operations, after defaulting on a $3.5 million loan.  Lender Bay Bank of
Boston is currently negotiating a secured parties sale with four serious
bidders, including a well known audio manufacturer and a newly formed alliance
of NED system users, who hope to revive the financially troubled company.
     At press time, it is not known whether the outcome will result in
liquidation of NED's assets (including patents and copywrighted software) or
the formation of a new company.  Former NED VP Ted Pine was not aware of any
plans for support or service of Synclavier systems.

                                           - W. John Weber

Email: wweber@ucs.indiana.edu          | It'd be nice if we could set all this
P.O. Box 22, Bloomington, IN 47402     | [sound equipment] up and look at it
Phone: (812)330-4965 (touch-tone pager)| for a while, then tear it down, and
                                       | not have to deal with the performers.
                                       |                          - Anon.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: alice@media.mit.edu (Alice Lei)
Subject: wanted:  k5m editor for mac
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:59:17 GMT


does anyone have an editor for the kawai k5m
which is mac based

or can anyone recommend one?

thanks
alice


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Survey on digital recording
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:29:00 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <9207290106.AA05310@saffron.IntelliCorp> dunn@intellicorp.com writes:
>hmm.
>
>yes, mac or pc, inboard or outboard or fast scsi (if poss).
>major ish is pricepoint per feature.
>
>casey

I own a Mac IIcx with Soundtools.  It is one hell of an elegant system.  I've
seen the Atari and PC digital editing systems briefly and they didn't seem 
nearly as nice (both on paper and in use).  However, Soundtools and the Mac
is definitely more expensive.  Is the price increase worth the increase in
features/elegance?  Some would say no, but others who can't afford to dick
around would say yes (and where the system would either pay for itself
quickly in money or peace of mind or output).

Soundtools was the first home computer based digital editor.   They have come
a long way in their software and hardware developments and updates.  I
suppose all companies will soon offer equally powerful packages soon at
competitive prices.                                                                                                         
friends don't let friends use DOS

ferenc



Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: castor@drizzle.stanford.edu (Castor Fu)
Subject: SQ-2 brain damage
Organization: Stanford Physics Department
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:14:46 GMT

I'm somewhat loath to post this after all the Ensoniq flame wars, but 
I ran into what I might was a SQ-2mware bug, and wondered if anyone
else has experienced it, or if there is some part of the ensoniq sound
architecture which I missed.  I recently bought this SQ-2,
and am far from having it fully psyched out, so this is entirely possible.

I was playing around while a friend was practicing his drumming, and thought
everything sounded really quiet.  At first I thought, "Damn, this drumming
is just driving me deaf," but after playing around a bit, I realized that
it was not me going deaf, my synth really was a lot quieter.

I tried a variety of sounds, and they all seemed to be muted.   So I dragged
it back to my room, and plugged it into my stereo.  After seeing that it
the problem was not with my amp, I begin to wonder if there's a problem
with the analog outputs of box.  I discovered a few undocumented test modes
of the SQ-2 (if anyone's interested, i'll try to document them in detail),
and then found that when in "PRESET" mode, (as opposed to SOUND mode) the
volumes were normal.  

Is there a global mixer level for SOUND mode?  I couldn't find reference
to one.  

Anyways, I ended up doing a full reset,  (losing all my patches. . . no huge
loss there, and all the factory presets as well. . . ) and everything was cool.

	-castor fu
	castor@drizzle.stanford.edu

--
Castor Fu, (foo@leland.stanford.edu)
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Sequential Prophet VS
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:48:00 GMT


Metlay, at least, has one..  As for Smith he changed his last name to Stewart
and co-founded the Eurithmics (SP?) with Annie Lennox in the early 80's.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (bassler ryan p)
Subject: I need help with my FZ-1
Summary: I need help with my FZ-1 sampler
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:08:31 GMT
Keywords: FZ-1 help, please.


Ryan Bassler...bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

I bought an FZ-1 about two months ago and I'm having a few problems
with it that I hope someone can help me with.  First of all, I sent
X number of formatted disks to Des Plaines, IL to have copied for the
Shareware program, and I have this strange feeling that this service no
longer exists (although Ed Alstrom at Casio,Inc sent me info on 
the program just a couple of months ago).  Any ideas?  I've written to 
them (w/ a stamped postcard enclosed for reply) with no luck.
     Also, some of my samples have really noticeable glitches in them.
However, when I reload the disk, the pops will be in either different 
parts of the sample or gone entirely.  I've cleaned my drive with a store
bought cleaner.  Is my disk drive dirty (defective) or are the disks 
just bad ?  (To the best of my knowledge, the samples themselves are
perfect.)
     Finally, was there ever an updated operating system ever released
that takes care of all of those annoying little glitches we used to 
read about in Keyboard magazine (e.g. - crappy DCA, slowing LFO).  Also,
does anyone own any really good optional software.
    Thanks a billion for your help.

    Ryan Bassler



 


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: isc10327@nusunix3.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:21:57 GMT

Hello, while on this subject on the SY99, I would like to raise a
question on the SY77.  I have a DX-7 FullTines patch for the SY77 but
somehow the SY77 and the TX-802 (DX-7 tone generator) doesn't seem to
have the same FullTines sound.  I've tried editing the SY77 patch but am
still unable to faithfully reproduce the original DX-7 FullTines sound.
I believe the SY99 and the SY77 have the same tone generators and am
wondering if you are able to duplicate the DX-7 FullTines on the SY.  If
you could, I would appreciate it if you could post the relevant
parameters for me.

- DOTW - :)
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 08:40:33 CET
From: <ATINTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: The K2000 vs. SY99 debate - SY99 Owner


Brian Eno once noted in a studio a he saw a young keyboard player spending
hours twiddling for the presets waveforms, trying to get a new sound,
when what he really needed was a new idea.

When I bought my SY99, I purchased it for its MODULAR approach, which is
something you guys have not latched onto.  I also admire the 01 series for
this approach too !!

What the SY99 has, that the K2000 don't is :

* 16 track, real-time 27000 note, 10 song sequencer.  The sequencer can
  be used on other MIDI channels, thus can controll other equipment on
  stage.

* The best effects unit to be built into a synth
* Large keyboard

In short, the modular approach of a workstation mean't that with my first
synth purchase, I didn't have to buy an Atari with 300 pounds of sequencing
software.

Andy.
  machines,
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:42:00 ADT
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Tascam MDR-8

> What interested me was finding in a surplus store a VHS hi-fi video that
> had 44.1Khz 16 bit linear encoded PCM for a Hi-Fi track. This was about
> late '89 early '90. When I phoned the manufacturer to ask about it, they
> denied its' existence, even when I told them I had just seen one and
> read the manual. I think it was a Hitachi, but can't remember. I never saw
> one again, or any other digital audio VHS.

You may have seen a Toshiba. They had a machine that you could put 16 bit
PCM on as well as Hi-Fi ...4 decent quality tracks, and the linear audio
track for time code. I have one of these, and am very happy with it. It
makes tapes that are compatible with the Sony F-1, and there are still
places around that take these as masters for cassettes.

Does anyone know of any places that take PCM F-1 on VHS as a master for
CD, or do they all want DAT ?

> Now, what would THAT have done to home recording?
>
It would have done wonderful things if it had not been kept a great secret.

Alan

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  Alan Edwards
  UNB Physics                              internet:    aedwards@unb.ca
    Canada
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         If the K2000 is VAST...does that make the K1000 half-VAST?
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From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Subject: Re: PERFORMER v3.61 FOR SALE $73.95
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:02:54 GMT


In a previous article, dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) says:

>In article <LJR-mM_@engin.umich.edu> darrin@slaw.engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani) writes:
>>Why do you think that? What's illegal about it?
>
>
>Competitive upgrades, which often cost more, do generally entitle
>you to full rights to both products.  These are, for the most part,
>used to a) get you to start using a family of products and b) add
>you to the roles of the active upgraders (aka upgrade fee-payers).
>

This is all very true. If you look at last years financial statement of
Borland Corp, you will see that the majority of their profits came from
upgrades. MOTU I'm sure see's this also.

PCH
-- 
Peter C. Haller				|	'If you do what you
Lorain Products				|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always received.'
From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:39:48 GMT
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: RX-17 DRUM Machine
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

FRANK.MAZZOTTI@stjhmc.fidonet.org (FRANK MAZZOTTI)  writes:

>     YAMAHA - RX17 - Drum Machine
>       Excellent condition.  Used probably about 5 times.
>
>     Has 26 Drum/Percussion Sounds, Standard Drum kit, plus Congas, Bongos, 
>agogo
>       Cowbell, claps, whistle, timbales, shaker, and others.
>     The individual percussion items if purchased alone would be
>       well over $250, if not much more...

Gee, using this form of valuation, I wonder what the Proteus/3 would be
worth?  And what about that Steinway sample in my $75 Korg P3???

>     Please be reasonable it was purachased for $375.

A long time ago, I hope!

( :-) , for the clueless...)

             Jim Smith                   smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
  I grabbed the Spike of Power from the ugly doodle, and there was a flash...
 I looked *cute as a button* as I thumped the forest floor.  Flower laughed.  
   There was smoke in the distance.  Man had come to the forest.  Bambi's 
    mother looked worried, even though the evil spirit was safely locked 
in a tree.  The men had a machine that ate trees.  And Godzilla was coming.
From: rb@infovax.UUCP (Rik van der Brugghen )
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Alesis quadraverb GT, Zoom 9030
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:01:34 GMT
Reply-To: rb@infovax.UUCP (Rik van der Brugghen )
Distribution: rec.music.synth, rec.music.makers
Organization: Infovox AB, SOLNA, Sweden

Well, here's a little question for debate. Does anyone have any 
experience with one of the above mentioned effect processors ?
I read the manuals and played a little on them both. I like the sound
of both but the Alesis seems to have a cleaner user interface and better
MIDI implementation (more real time controllers). These very small knobs
on the Zoom are not handy I feel. 
Also, how about Alesis quadraverb plus, is that one much better ?
Then the prices, here in Stockholm they are now on sale for 5000 kronor each.
That's about 900 US dollar, seems a lot actually. Does anybody know
if it is easy to get them by mail from the US, what do they cost there ?

Thanks for any info,
Rik van der Brugghen, rb@infovox.se

p.s. Any other effect processor info welcome too, like yamaha em 700, spx 900.
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