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From: lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:56:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.070226.9719@nevada.edu>, funky@nevada.edu 
(MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
> 
> I have a quick question.  It's not really overly important to life, but it's
> been bugging me.  If a trout is planted, and then spawns, is it's offsprings
> now considered natives or are they considered planted?  Thanks.
> 

This seems to be a question that a fisheries biologist would be best
able to answer.  For what it's worth, I think that a truly native trout (or 
other type of fish) would have to come from a wild, self-sustaining 
population that was indigenous to the watershed.  Strictly speaking,
there could be no native populations of brown trout in the USA, by 
this definition, because they were originally introduced from Great
Britain and Europe.  Of course, there are wild, self-sustaining populations
of brown trout in the USA, and that is no bad thing!  

In my part of the world, we have wild brook trout in some rivers.  Native
trout were historically present.   Hatchery brook trout were intensively 
stocked in the 1950's.  No further stockings of brook trout have been made,
in these rivers, in 35 years.  Did the native and hatchery strains interbreed?
After the passage of so much time, do we presently have native fish, or 
only wild ones?  My guess is that no one can say for certain what has 
happened.  I am just happy to have these brookies nearby.

Thanks for raising the question,

Bob  
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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)
Subject: Re: More about flyfishing in England
Reply-To: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:42:10 +0000

In article <1992Dec31.163648.6852@Princeton.EDU> jmd@tyrolia.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:


To John Danskin's earlier recommendations for
 
|     "the classic guide to FLYFISHING for trout" by Charles Jardine,
|     Random House, New York
| 
and

| Oh dear, I've forgotten the exact title of the other one, but it is a lot like
| 
|     "Stillwater dry fly fishing" Definitely by Roger Fogg,
|     A & C Black, London, 1985.
| 

I would add: "Fishing Forays 1993", which someone gave me as a christmas
present. If it is even 80% reliable (and everything I have checked rings
true) it is a most salivatory guide to the trout fishing possibilities
of the British Isles, and lists chalk-stream fishing from 10 to 1000
pounds a day. It is published by a firm I have never heard of:
"Kensington West Productions",
tel +44-81-877-9394;
fax +44-81-870-4270, and costs in England 14.95.
The ISBN number is 1-871349-26-5

The essential guide to stillwater fishing in Scotland is Bruce
Sandison's "Trout Lochs of Scotland", pub'd Unwin Hyman.
ISBN 0-04-440005-5
I can't find a price on my paperback, but it wasn't more than ten
pounds.

 
--
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Religious Affairs Correspondent | phone +44-71-253-1222 xt 1682   |
The Independent                 |---------------------------------|
London, England                 | I'm not paid to have opinions   |
From: chip@rrc.chevron.com (Chip Parham)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: chip@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California


 >How
>about pinching on a small ball of red powerbait in front of you're leech,
>wooley worm, or even baitfish (muddler minnow?) imitations?  Seems like
>it would work.


John, have you thought of using the little "power grubs" and the abdomen on a caddis
pupae.  Dub on a little black beaver for the thorax and I'll bet  it's a real killer.   NO FOLKS I DON'T THINK WE'VE SERIOUS, OR ARE WE.
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <16041@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu> ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
                                   .
                           [ stuff deleted ]
				   .
>
>The use of powerbait has always left a bad taste in my mouth anyway.  I 

    Uh John - It's supposed to be used as a fish bait - NOT a sandwich
    spread!
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)
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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: ICE??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:30:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.063730.9204@rose.com> marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 12-29-92 01:29
>B(:From: bdowning@Control.COM (Bill Downing)
>
>B(:Curses, foiled again! I was ice fishing Saturday at a Central Mass.
>
> Egads, you've got ice?
> 
>  It will be a couple of weeks before the Huts are out on the Lakes 
>just north of Toronto. Have a severe case of "cabin fever" but I'm all 
>freshly spooled and just waiting...........and waiting............

There's about 6-8 inches of ice on most of the shallow lakes near
Boston and west of Boston. The deeper lakes don't look too safe yet,
except maybe in certain sheltered coves. I'm surprised you don't have
ice yet, unless most of your lakes are spring-fed or fairly deep...

>
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Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
From: rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: More Fish Tails (Tales?)...
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: bdowning@Control.COM's message of 28 Dec 92 15:25:09 GMT

In article <2784@cthulhuControl.COM> bdowning@Control.COM (Bill Downing) writes:

   ["big-one-that-gets-away story deleted]

Fishing with mono is risky.  I always use leaders but question the
practice when I am not catching fish (even if all the mono guys are
also not catching anything).  I have tried mono a few times and after
losing a few fish go back to the leaders.

BUT...  Last winter, I saw a big 18 pound, 41 inch northern come
through the ice on 18 pound mono.  The biggest problem they had was
trying to fit the monster through the hole.  The mono held at least
long enough to gaff the monster.

So, I'll stick with leaders but I'll also give mono its due...

tim
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	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
From: dbuck@world.std.com (David C Churbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fly Rod and Reed Advice Sought
Summary: fresh or salt
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:37:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BzxCqF.A8n
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Santa  was very good to me this year and delivered a 9 ft.
Fenwick 5 weight graphite fly rod, sans reel. I mostly
fish salt water and realize this rod is too light for much
more than trout. What reel should I mount on the rod, and
any lines stand out over others. I'll be using it
for still water fishing and sea run brown trout in slow moving streams
and rivers here on the cape. Is it strong enough to fight 
schoolie striped bass. I'll save my nine weight rod for bluefish
and stripers.

Email replies appreciated.
David Churbuck
Forbes
.
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From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:50:20 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

An additional thought on PowerBait; It was my first, and is my current
impression that PowerBait for trout smells JUST LIKE the little pellets
provided at the hatchery for feeding the fish back in the races. I doubt
this is by chance and might play a significant part in any lack of
performance when used on native breed and/or holdover trouts ....

( Well it's as good an excuse as 'dull hooks' ..... "Ain't had a hit
all morning! Must be natives <spat out with an air of disgust>..." )
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:58:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec28.070226.9719@nevada.edu>, funky@nevada.edu 
|(MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
| 
|I have a quick question.  It's not really overly important to life, but it's
|been bugging me.  If a trout is planted, and then spawns, is it's offsprings
|now considered natives or are they considered planted?  Thanks.

The latest Flyfishing magazine has a really good article which explains the
differences between native and hatchery trout.  There are charts which show
differences in color, dispersion in the fishery, behavior, size, age, and
other characteristics.
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From: mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:28:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Dec22.002833.22418
Distribution: usa
Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company, Portland Oregon.
Originator: mos@cetus


I'll sell you three jars if you want the junk.

Tight Lines
Mark O'Shea
From: bdowning@Control.COM (Bill Downing)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: More Fish Tails (Tales?)...
Keywords: pike, big, trout, big, wire leaders
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:25:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cthulhuC.2784
Distribution: rec
Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA


Curses, foiled again! I was ice fishing Saturday at a Central Mass.
pond. I had four traps rigged for northern pike and one trap rigged
for little stuff. Naturally, a monster pike hits the trap with 6 lb.
test mono. After ten minutes of playing him very carefully, everyone
comes racing over to see what's going on. What's clear is that the
fish is between 15 and 20 pounds and about 41 inches long. What's not
clear is how to put pressure on him to turn his head into the hole
without breaking the leader. Of course, no one bothered to bring a
gaff. Finally, 10 minutes and six runs later, the fish tires enough so
we can at least get him to stay near the hole. A buddy reaches quickly
for the aft end of the gill, the fish gives a head shake, and the
leader parts. Unfortunately, the pike was deeply hooked so the leader
was frayed too much to hold on. A lip-hook or wrap-around tangle would
probably have ended more happily...

I was thoroughly chewed out by all concerned that I should NEVER fish
through the ice without a steel leader and that using mono was asking
for trouble. One guy even claimed that he had caught many brown trout
on steel leaders, which I find a bit hard to believe. My argument was
that using 20 lb mono for pike results in more hits and I've iced 10
lbers using mono. One thing's for sure: I won't use six pound test
mono on this body of water again...



-- 
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DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.	       bdowning@control.com
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Oxnard fishing
Organization: Political Science, UNLV
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:47:02 GMT

In article <C01Cuv.1ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Quentin Groom <Quentin_Groom@qms1.life.uiuc.edu> writes:
>I'm likely to be going to Oxnard in southern California in mid
>February. I wondered whether there were any fishing opportunities
>there at that time of year? Coming from the mid west I have little
>experience of ocean fishing but would like to try it. What kind of
>equipment might I need? As far as I can make out from the map there
>is no fresh water fishing in the area. Am I right?

I was just down there last weekend and was surprised to see a dead flat ocean,
suitable for freshwater gear (IF you wash it thoroughly and use the old WD-40 
immediately thereafter) in the surf.  But that's unusual.  There might be surf
perch at Mandalay Beach, though I prefer that area in the summer for corbina
on flies.  There are a fair number of jetties on the beach on up past Ventura,
and the jetties in Ventura Harbor (go in from the north, turning left from
Seaward and park in the park) can be pretty good.  There's a pier in Ventura,
and you don't (or at least didn't) need a license to fish saltwater from public
piers in Ca. Offshore? Never did it.  Moore's Tackle Shop in Ventura will give
you prretty straight advice; try Bob Johns's fly shop (practically on the
Ventura-Oxnard border on Nicolle st, next to the Auto Mall) if your tastes run
that way.

Freshwater: Lake Casitas is just outsdie Ventura and has a reputation as a bass
lake.  Never did it myself.  If you head a bit further up Rt 33 toward Ojai,
head up the raod toward TAft and Maricopa, up Wheeler Canyon.  You'll parallel
Matilija Creek part of the way, a pretty, small trout stream.  At the top of 
the ridge, turn right toward Rose VAlley.  There are several small ponds up
there that get stocked (and Rose Valley Falls is pretty at the end of a little
trail from a campground).  Head further into the valley on that road down to 
Lions Campground and teh Sespe, a nice trout stream that is one of the longest
undammed streams in So. Cal.  Further afield are Piru Creek below Pyramid Lake.

Caveat: I don't remember the seasons nor license fees.  But I hope this helps you get started ... there's always the Yellow Pages.

Happy '93.

-bruce
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From: jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Planted vs. natives
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:15:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Dec28.155650.9387@netnews.whoi.edu> lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.070226.9719@nevada.edu>, funky@nevada.edu 
>(MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
>> 
>> I have a quick question.  It's not really overly important to life, but it's
>> been bugging me.  If a trout is planted, and then spawns, is it's offsprings
>> now considered natives or are they considered planted?  Thanks.
>> 
>
>This seems to be a question that a fisheries biologist would be best
>able to answer.  For what it's worth, I think that a truly native trout (or 
>other type of fish) would have to come from a wild, self-sustaining 
>population that was indigenous to the watershed.  Strictly speaking,
>there could be no native populations of brown trout in the USA, by 
>this definition, because they were originally introduced from Great
>Britain and Europe.  Of course, there are wild, self-sustaining populations
>of brown trout in the USA, and that is no bad thing!  
>
>In my part of the world, we have wild brook trout in some rivers.  Native
>trout were historically present.   Hatchery brook trout were intensively 
>stocked in the 1950's.  No further stockings of brook trout have been made,
>in these rivers, in 35 years.  Did the native and hatchery strains interbreed?
>After the passage of so much time, do we presently have native fish, or 
>only wild ones?  My guess is that no one can say for certain what has 
>happened.  I am just happy to have these brookies nearby.
>
>Thanks for raising the question,
>
>Bob  

Usually the term "wild" refers to any fish that is from natural reproduction;
i.e., not planted as a fingerling, fry, whatever.  So a brown hatched from a
redd anywhere in the US is a "wild" fish.

The term "native" usually refers to endemic species and/or strains that 
naturally occurred in the watershed.  Thus, there are no "native" browns
in North America.  All brookies west of the Great Plains are not "native".
and all Rainbows east of the Rockies are not "native".

Then, there are all the various strains of rainbows, brookies, etc. that have
been swapped in and around other strains and probably wiped out or interbred 
and genetically diluted or corrupted "native" strains.

Of course, some people use "wild" and "native" interchangably, but it is a 
little more accurate to differentiate between the two as "native" fishes
are the subject of much controversy and conservation efforts.  For example
Appalachian Brookies, and over 200 west coast subspecies of salmon are either
endangered (former) or candidates for federal endangered species protection 
(latter).
Brent
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515-294-5248                                               Dept. Animal Ecology
                                                          Iowa State University
                                                            Ames, IA 50011-3221
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From: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:23:39 GMT

In article <16041@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
writes:
|> In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu>
ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
...
|> Actually I posted something the other day about simulating an egg with
|> powerbait in front of a leech or minnow imitation pattern.  I mentioned
|> this to a friend of mine and he thought it might be a good idea but said
|> that it might be illegal in some places.  Where restriction are "artificial
|> lures with single barbless hooks" this in usually thought of to be flies.
|> Would sweetening the lure with a dab of powerbait make the lure illegal.
|> If powerbait isn't artificial what is it?  What *exactly* is an artificial
|> lure?    
...


Around here anyway, the fly only regulations usually include a clause
specifying no fish attracting scents - this would include wd-40, homemade
eau d'worm, and incidentally, powerbait berries. I would guess that
artificial lure only areas must sometimes also include such a clause.

Best to check before tying up a gross of power berry leech flies for that
upcoming two-weeks-in-the-snow fishing trip on special rules water.

John Danskin			|
(609) 258-5386			|
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: ICE??
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:37:29 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-29-92 01:29
B(:From: bdowning@Control.COM (Bill Downing)

B(:Curses, foiled again! I was ice fishing Saturday at a Central Mass.

 Egads, you've got ice?
 
  It will be a couple of weeks before the Huts are out on the Lakes 
just north of Toronto. Have a severe case of "cabin fever" but I'm all 
freshly spooled and just waiting...........and waiting............

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From: rainey@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Dan Rainey)
Subject: Re: ICEFISHING FOR PERCH
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:54:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Greg,	
  Try Devils lake in North Dakota. Tony Dean did a tv show about it this weekend
and they caught a bunch of pearch some of them being 1.5 to 2 pounds. I don't
remember the name of the guy he fished with but you could contact Tony himself 	
and get more info. I think Tony is located in Pierre, South Dakota. Let us
know what you decide on. 		
Dan  
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From: cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc)
Subject: Re: Oxnard fishing
Summary: Oxnard Ocean Fishing
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.064702.19029@nevada.edu>, bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek) writes:
> In article <C01Cuv.1ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Quentin Groom <Quentin_Groom@qms1.life.uiuc.edu> writes:
> >I'm likely to be going to Oxnard in southern California in mid
> >February. I wondered whether there were any fishing opportunities
> >there at that time of year? Coming from the mid west I have little
> >experience of ocean fishing but would like to try it. What kind of
> >equipment might I need? As far as I can make out from the map there
> >is no fresh water fishing in the area. Am I right?

I haven't been out in the ocean from Oxnard, but I've heard/read fishing
reports from that area.  If you are lucky, very lucky, at that time of the
year, you may get a calm day to go out.  What you will be fishing for is
rock-cod of various types.  The typical setup is a Penn Senator 4/0 to 8/0
with Dacron line attached to a broomstick sized rod.  Terminal tackle
includes a weight from 1 to 5 lbs, and at least a 5 hook gangion (sp?) which
is just a piece of leader with hooks attached to it.  Often they have
a couple of pieces of yarn tied to them or something more elaborate.  These
fish are great eating and these trips can fill up a freezer quickly.

With that type of setup, the fishing isn't too sporty.  It it getting more 
popular to go on shallow water trips now and you may try and find a charter
that i doing that.  In which case, you can use a spinning outfit with 8-12lb
test.  Not sure of the terminal tackle you use since I've never tried it.
But, these fish are much better sport when you fish for them this way.

> and you don't (or at least didn't) need a license to fish saltwater from public

Still didn't in 92.  I haven't seen the 93 regs yet, but I doubt they will
change that law which has been around for quite some time.

> piers in Ca. Offshore? Never did it.  Moore's Tackle Shop in Ventura will give
> you prretty straight advice; try Bob Johns's fly shop (practically on the
> Ventura-Oxnard border on Nicolle st, next to the Auto Mall) if your tastes run
> that way.
> 
Bruce,

You sure seem to get around.  That's a lot of detail about the area's freshwater
possibilities!

> Freshwater: Lake Casitas is just outsdie Ventura and has a reputation as a bass
> Caveat: I don't remember the seasons nor license fees.  But I hope this helps you get started ... there's always the Yellow Pages.
> 
Will look it up, when I get my 93 license.

Scott
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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)