From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: Qadianis, Baha'ais, Ahmadis, .. etc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:14:30 GMT


In article <1992Apr16.000323.54520@cc.usu.edu>, slc89@europa.ee.usu.edu (eneim mohammed omar) writes...
>Assalamu Alamanittaba'alhuda:
>Ofcourse, those poeple affiliated to the groups mentioned above are not included !!!
>I would like to say to all of you out there (Qadianis, Ahmadis, Baha'is, Batteekhis, )
>that you are on the wrong track, and many Muslim scholars have stamped you with (KUFR)
>infidelity. You are not considered as Muslims, 

Dear Muhammad,

Baha'is do not consider themselves to be Muslims by any means. You could 
view the relationship between Baha'i Faith and Islam in the same way as the
relationship between Christianity and Jewish Faith. So, Baha'is are as much
Muslim as Christians are Jews. 

>becuase you have invented a lot of things
>and related them to religion. Islam is not what you have guys. What you really
> have is
>a collection of halucinations assembled by those clowns you call (prophets). 

Please read the Qur'an and ponder on its verses which indicate that Prophet
Muhammad's contemporaries viewed Him as a crazy poet and a lunatic. Please
attempt to evaluate the difference between yourself and those who accused
Prophet Muhammad as a food for thought. No need for you to consider, God
forbid, the idea that you might convert.

>Porphet Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet who was sent to all man kind either you like it
>or not.

My friend, there may be meanings associated with the term "Seal of the
Prophets" that you have not as of yet understood. It is rather
arrogant of one to claim that he/she has a total understanding of the 
Qur'an, when the verses of the Book suggest otherwise.

>Next time, if any of you wants to talk about his belief, just don't link it 
>with Islam.

Baha'is have not been a part of the discussion in this newsgroup, perhaps
it is more reasonable for you not to extend your evaluation to Baha'i Faith
at this point.

>Can't you see guys that any crazy person can declare himself a prophet, and this is not
>strange but the strange thing about it is that this guy will find some blind poeple to 
>follow him.

Once again, please refer to the history of Islam, and examine the opinions of 
the contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad, whether among Jews and Christians, or
the idolators, in order to see how they viewed Prophet Muhammad, and the
early believers. Then, attempt to see the different between yourself and
those people. 

In reference to the concept of Finality of Prophethood you associate with
Prophet Muhammad, please examine the Jewish attitude towards Christianity
and the Christian attitude towards Islam. If God-willing you are able to
remain unbiased in your evaluation, you will see that Jews claim that
their religion is the final religion, and the Jewish code of laws are final
as well. Christians too, claim finality of Christ's Mission and finality
of His Message as well. Perhaps this could widen the scope of your
understanding and helps you to realize that Muslims too have walked the
same path as Jews and Christins.

Please understand that no disrespect is intended here.

Warm regards,

Kamran Hakim