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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:01:08 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Sep7.175758.3556@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
> 
>>Can anyone tell me what is a good buying price for a 1986 Honda 350 three
>>wheeler?
> 
> I can't offer any specifics, but since three wheelers were damned as
> "unsafe" and discontinued by the manufacturers they are considered to be
> "obsolete".

  No kidding.  I kringe everytime I see some kid on one. (Usually without
  a helmet!).  All it takes is one highside at speed and that 3Wr is going
  eat his lunch.  I know they seem harmless enough, but if you are going
  to use it for anything but agricultural work........

  I try real hard to not be soft about dangerous sports but 3Wrs draw the
  line.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |  


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From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: peoples comments
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:20:36 GMT

While in a meeting at work just after my latest crash, my boss said something
like "You'll end up coming to these meetings in a wheel chair and drooling."

Does anyone else hear a lot of comments like this?  This one kinda stuck in
the back of my head although I know that it is as safe as you make it.
Does anyone have statistics as to how dangerous racing is?  (I heard once 
that MX racing was less dangerous than high school football).  

I'm sure that I'll forget about it once I get on the starting line this 
weekend:)

Andy
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:02:14 GMT

frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.175758.3556@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>> I can't offer any specifics, but since three wheelers were damned as
>> "unsafe" and discontinued by the manufacturers they are considered to be
>> "obsolete".

>  No kidding.  I kringe everytime I see some kid on one. (Usually without
>  a helmet!).  All it takes is one highside at speed and that 3Wr is going
>  eat his lunch.

You misunderstand me. Though I personally don't have any use for three
wheelers, I think the whole "product safety" ban had very little to do
with a concern for safety and a whole lot to do with a TV witch hunt in
the name of ratings.

Any parent letting a kid loose on a motor vehicle (no matter how many
wheels it has) without supervision is in need of a brain transplant. But
of course the "American Way" is to blame that "evil ATC" instead of
admitting that their child's injury is _their_ fault.
-- 
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From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: breakin was: DR350S Report
Keywords: 500cc break in
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:38:16 GMT
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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> Four to five more times out (practice  or race) and its time to change them again. 
Hell, you must be riding one those micro size 125s.
A set of rings will last an open bike a full season of riding and racing.
As a matter of fact, most open classers are greatfull for some slight blowby,
reason? it tames the beast a little so that they can keep up with it.

Q. How can you tell an open class rider from other class riders?

A. he's the one with the five feet long arms!!!



Al "WFO" Conte
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From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Found a place
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:39:58 GMT

In article <keed7ZG00WB2IHR39N@andrew.cmu.edu> ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
>2) What's a good pair of goggles to wear with a Bieffe BX-6 and
>glasses?  The Oakleys I have apparently weren't vented well enough,
>and I couldn't see after about 3 corners.  I ended up just taking them
>off, and riding without goggles, which I'd rather not do.

    Mark, I have a Bieffe JBX-6 helmet.  Since I wear glasses some of
  the time (contacts others), I picked that lid since the chin bar
  moves; found this enabled me to get the helmet on while wearing
  glasses.  It's too hard for me to fit the glasses in after the helmet
  is on.  I know it's not as safe as a fixed chin bar, but...

    Anyway, I use Scott 89 goggles, the ones made to fit over glasses.
  They have two strips of helmet grip goo on the strap, works well; fit
  nicely over small to average sized glasses in this helmet.  My
  favorite Serengeti sunglasses won't cut it tho, too big.  2 years
  of moderate riding and snowmobiling, and the strap & foam stay in
  shape if you take care of them.  Time to change the goggle lens; my
  young nephews marked it up while playing with my "cool mor'cycle
  he'met".  Oh, only had a fogging problem while stopped on my snowmobile
  in humid weather.  Have never used any lens treatment.

    Will post about my new DR350S shortly -- quick summary: Cadillac ride,
  but lousy seat!

    Good job finding a riding place -- ruts are my nemesis too, but my
  woods has a new barrier cable that may keep trucks out for a while.
  Bikes can lift it and ride right under B^)


    jed
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:38:06 GMT
Subject: Re: preferred support vehicles
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

I'd recommend a 4x4 truck with a camper shell and a trailer.  Do
understand, I'm completely biased.  

The shell keeps all of your gear dry and provides a place to sleep if you
need.  Bikes should be securely locked up if you don't have an enclosed
trailer; especially in crime-ridden California.  

The 4x4 allows you to get to the neat campsites that would otherwise be
inaccessable.  Although you are limited somewhat with the trailer on
behind.  The shell on my truck is held down with 4 clamps.  If needed, I
can have the shell off in 10 minutes to go rescue a dirt bike in really
rough terrain.  Sure beats trying to push and tow a broken bike up a really
knarly hill. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: DoD does hollister/Dances with Bikers
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:47:11 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep8.214411.7165@imagen.com>, randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield) writes:
> Greetings,

greetings.

> Hi Laurie and  Bob`s, it was nice meeting you people.

likewise.

> My take of the dusty day in Hollister was overall fun.  

also likewise.  i sneezed in the car and blew out about 10# of dust!

> A note to Bob Pasker (half fast Bob), that was a KX250 not a KDX250.

please, that's "bob pasker"

> So where was this Conte guy anyway?  

yeah!  it was at HIS behest that this all got started.

>I want to do this again.  So does Todd.

we'll probably go down again in a few weeks.  some friends were over
the other night talking about a place towards New Idria.  has anyone
heard of this?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 22:32:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
> Subject: Re: Project XR600
> 
> Yeah ! I'll be sure to  bring my camera and take a picure of you and your
> rip snortin, fire breath'in boat anchor going ballistic into the trees !!!!

	Yea....just point it and shoot. CR500RR's a bit like that..

	Hee hee 
	George C.

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?  (XR-650L)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:33:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


> >
> Have you ever tried to ride a Kawasaki KLR (?) 650 on a real dirt ride?. . .

	....Electric start.  Bless them.

	Cheers
	George C.
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Keywords: I mean !!!!!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:08:37 GMT
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com


>are you saying to meet at the brewery or at the cycle park :-) ?
>either is fine by me.

>and do you mean 9/19 or 9/26?  the 19th are the reno air races,
>including big DoD bash at ed hackett's place :-) if you're interested.


Actually both are nice !
But, I normally go to the park, then park at the brewery!
The 19th is the time for me, as I have golf tourny to play in on the
26th.


Al "where am I, what day is this" Conte
From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:37:50 GMT
Reply-To: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR

>Can anyone tell me what is a good buying price for a 1986 Honda 350 three
>wheeler?

I bought an '85 350X last summer for $900.  I would say this is high book
value, but I knew the owner and the bike is in primo shape.  A friend
bought a semi-basket case for $300 recently and got it running for about
$200 but he's a Honda mechanic.  Get an estimate on repairs before jumping
into this one.

Ban bikes, ban guns, ban music - I wan't Bill Clinton for my mommy! 
HACK!

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From: kea@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kevin.e.ahrens)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: peoples comments
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:15:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep10.212036.3456@spdc.ti.com>, aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver) writes:
> While in a meeting at work just after my latest crash, my boss said something
> like "You'll end up coming to these meetings in a wheel chair and drooling."
> 
> Does anyone else hear a lot of comments like this?  This one kinda stuck in

Yes, from my wife just yesterday.  She is currently going to school
to be a Physical Therapy Assistant and as part of her schooling, she
goes to actual physical therapy shops to observe (nursing homes, hospitals,
etc.).  Yesterday in the hospital she was at, one of their patients was
a 13-year old kid who was in a wheel chair with his head in one of those
halos.  He and his brother were out dirt biking and collided head on.
His brother was killed.  My wife wanted to know when I was selling my
bike.  I simply told her that I have heard about and seen many more poeple
in similar situations from automobile accidents and we don't seem to
be selling our cars.

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From: randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Keywords: Wife / Task Master
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:45:26 GMT
Reply-To: randy@elk.imagen.com (randy scofield)
Organization: imagen

>Hey, I am sorry that I didn't get to ride with you guys Saturday.
>I had to go thru alot of verbal abuse from my wife.
Ah, one of those honey doo weekends.  Honey do this, honey do that.

>Let me know when you want to go again, and I'll pop for some
>Earthquake ale over at the Earthquake brewery & pub down the street.
Earthquake ale?   This I need to try.  What street was that?
As far as going riding again, I go every weekend.  Usually just to Metcalf,
since its so close.  But varitety is nice.  Todd  doesn`t really like riding at Metcalf.
Idea`s for places to ride would be nice...
 
>PS. If you don't believe me, come on over and look at the deck, it came out
>   pretty good.
I am a disbeliever.  You will have to have me over and flush my disbelief with
some of that earthquake ale.  Yea, thats the ticket.  

>Al " This Old House" Conte
Randy "show me" Scofield
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Disclaimer:  No way... Thats total bullshit.
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From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:31:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
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Keywords: Life is not fair


When I got started in MX, I was blown away by the intense battles between
DeCoster and Alberg, Mikola etc.
These guys were bigger than the sport was at that time.
When the U.S. got into it, we went over there and got our rearends kicked
all the way back to  Staten Island.
Well, we learned, and got better.
We jumped on the 500 scooters and finally beat them after awhile.
During all of this something was going on.
The promoters realized that if they could put a wicked little course in a stadium,
they could pack alot more people into a race.
The US was full of hot young riders from the West coast that could ride all
year, and as a result, became much more adept at blowing euros into the weeds.

Well, what you are seeing is the all mighty buck showing it's ugly head.
Everybody wants 250s and 125s eg. supercross publicity / big money.
When the world wants to know what is happening in MX, they look to the US.
Long ago, (I'm dating myself here) the world used to look to a few nations in
europe, who reveared the 500 class as the primo goal.

Times are changin, hype and sellability are king.
The bucks are in the US, so we have the 500 class in the fade mode.


Al
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 01:33:48 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>         On the same lines... The biggest problem I have is psyche.  If
>         the wife has really been hounding me like, "What kind of dad
>         can you be to our son if you are crippled or dead!".  Coworkers
>         do the same by, "You're getting to old to be doing that", or 
>         "You have a kid to be thinking about, not riding that %$@&
>         motorcycle."

	Hah! I have a solution....Make a deal that you'll give it a break
	for a month or so and.....

	-Start talking about all the new babes at work.
	-Drink more.
	-Be really irratable.
	-Start talking about taking up mountain climbing.
	-Get a couple of tatoos.
	-Make comments about how good your neighbours 16 year old daughter
	 looks in that short skirt.
	-Accidently leave a little bit of white powder wrapped in tin foil
	 in your washing.
	-Rent a drum kit and practice every night.
	-Smoke cheap cigars.
	-Stay out late.
	-Bring a pair of handcuffs and a salad fork to bed and grin
	 stupidly at your wife.

	If all that fails, get a big bunch of flowers and take your wife
	to a romantic place and explain that your well aware of the
	dangers of riding and the responsibility of fatherhood. You love 
	your family and promise to be careful.  Tell her that all that
	talk makes it more dangerous for you because you can't concentrate
	knowing that she's so concerned.

	And if that fails, give up riding.....Did I say that?

	Cheers
	George C.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: how do i teach myself to descend?
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:42:53 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

after reading the comments on descending, i have to throw my own 
worhtless 2 cents in.

my crash last week-end was on a too steep (for me) downhill.  i was a little
undercautious about going down it, since all i was going to do was go up the
other side.  i was going faster (like a total of 5mph) than i should have been,
but not fast enough for gyroscopic stability. my front wheel did not go over a
rut; the rut sucked down said wheel and the bike went flop.   i made no 
attempt to turn the bike and lie it down on the hill. after damage assessment
and restarting, i rode the rest of the way down.

subsequently, i was quite chicken of descending, but i think i did a better 
job.  on the second steep descent that day, i used the front brake and released
it while overcoming obstacles, which is what i do on the street (with RR
tracks, bumps, and manhole covers), and did not lock it up.  i slid and
released the back wheel and stayed out of ruts, even though i heard the guys 
up the hill yelling "stay off the brake!"  at the bottom was a 90 degree turn,
also down hill, which i would not have been able to make if i was going to 
fast.  that gave me more confidence about using the back brake for descending.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Subject: How NOT to run an Enduro.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Organization: Data General

Sunday I raced the Greylock Enduro up in the Massachusetts Berkshires.
First let me say that the trails up there are great! Lots of ups and
downs and great variety.

The organization however was the worst! I knew I was in for a bad day
when the course went thru 5 miles or so of tight trail then came out on
to a public road. No check! No reset! Nothing. Even the fastest riders
were 2 minutes late at this point. I know my bike will go 70 MPH and it
was tapped out in 5'th. The big 4-strokes must have hit 100! Real DUMB. 

Next the club neglected to get permission from a land owner and he
pulled the arrows and threw everone off his land.

At the second gas stop you roll the route sheet up to 75.8 L TAR. The
arrows on the pole pointed Left. Surprise, the course really goes RIGHT!
Whats a guy to do?

Heres the best part. Checks 8 and 11 were thrown out because...the check
crews didn't show up until several minutes AFTER the first riders were thru. 

Think I'll skip this run next year!




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From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Subject: Front disc guards. . . Braking etc.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:37:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I have decided to buy some fork protectors to keep the little roost pits from
getting any worse on my forks.  Do the front disc guards that are a part
of some of these do anything worthwhile or should I save a little money
and just get the plain fork guards?

Another question. . .
One of the guys that I ride a lot with has a 1987 CR-500 that he doesn't ride
too much anymore because he is a big bad banshee rider now.  I ride my
1991 XR-600 in all of the desert races, play rides, trail rides, etc. but 
have been really thinking about trying his 500 in a motocross race.  The
question is this: How do you stop the damn thing!  Everytime that I ride this 
sucker at anywhere near the speed I can ride my 600, I end up shooting over 
a berm out into the weeds or jamming on the brakes so hard that I kill the 
engine or doing the big time flat track type slide until I get the beast under
control again.  I know that a big four stroke has big time engine braking but
what am I doing wrong?  Do I need to start braking earlier for the corners
than I do on the 600 or what?

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From: couyant@rox.mel.dbe.CSIRO.AU (George Couyant Convex Support)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:30:00 GMT
Organization: CSIRO


 From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
> 
	Your wife's going through what anyone goes through when we begin
	riding. Some people never get over their panic over big down
	hills. Even I don't like going too fast down big hills.

	So.....reassure her that there's nothing wrong, it's just a
	confidence thing. Next *big* hill, shut the motor off and click it
	into first. Pick a nice rut that goes all the way to the bottom
	and get her into it. She can inch her way down with both feet on
	the ground, using her clutch to brake (or lock) the rear AND her
	front brake. If she locks both, no big deal, she won't go
	tumbling.

	After a few of these, she'll think it's easy and she'll feel good
	about herself. Remember, you don't win points for being stylish.
	If you get up/over/down obsticles, you're doing well.

	When she gets her confidence, she'll be ready to make use of
	advice.

	Cheers
	George Couyant