HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tim.Of.Angle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tim Of Angle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re:      signup and question.
Date: 5 Dec 92 14:01:28 GMT

Arval wrote:
 J> From: Josh Mittleman <uunet!WATSON.IBM.COM!mittle>

 J> Laurel has ruled several times that a charged sail is always considered
 J> arms of pretense, and therefore unacceptable.  On the other hand, I don't
 J> recall any evidence of a charged sail used in that manner in period
 J> armory. Does anyone else have such evidence?  If none is presented,
 J> then this ruling should be challenged.

 I don't recall ever seeing any instances of this in period armory. On the
 other hand, I think it introduces an unwarranted degree of complexity into
 a design, and would argue against it on those grounds.

 J> I do not know if "an orle of rope" will be acceptable; unless you have
 J> evidence of that in period armory, I doubt it.  Rope was very rarely used
 J> as a charge in period armory; there are a few examples of knots, but not
 J> enough to generalize to this usage.

 Laurel has already registered an "orle of rope" - Kristoff the Towhead
 (Gules in pale a drakkar reversed above a sword fesswise argent all within
 a rope in orle nowed in base or, Aug 80) and Ericus the Silverhand (Sable
 a fess argent overall a Heneage knot within an orle of rope
 counterchanged, Jan 92).

 J> > 3. Does the name Caradoc of House Tarnished Pheon work, or for that
 J> > matter, House Tarnished Pheon?

 J> Assuming that the word "tarnished" existed in period in the same language
 J> as the word "pheon", the names are probably acceptable.  Note that the
 J> use of "pheon" in modern or period blazonry does not mean that it was
 J> ever used in real life.

 The submission "House of the Tarnished Pheon", submitted by Etienne Michel
 de Calais, was returned by Laurel (LOAR Aug 92 p. 27) for conflict with
 the East Kingdom Order of the Pheon.

    Tadhg, Obelisk
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 9 Dec 92 01:50:00 GMT

ED>Hi Marv, you said in part..............

ED>MC>    This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems
to
ED>MC>    have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.

ED>       The Tele-Forum Network in Columbus Ohio carries your conference,
ED>       and is at least read by the Sysop.

ED>Peace...........................Ed

ED> * SLMR 2.1a #1852 * Your religion is what you do when the sermon is over.


ED>--- WM v2.05/92-0698
ED> * Origin: The Tele-Forum Network, Columbus,OH (614)471-9185 (1:226/540)

  Great, thanks Edward.
    Marv

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
From: Joshua@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Joshua)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: signup and question.
Date: 3 Dec 92 17:31:04 GMT

Caradoc ap Gwydion writeth:

 > 2. Does the device (pardon the mangled heraldi-speak) Azure, within a
 > orle of rope Argent, a ship of the same charged upon the sail with a
 > pheon Vert work?

The impression I've gotten from most people is that charging a sail on a
ship makes it look like arms of pretense (i.e. claiming arms by inheritence
or marriage), which is forbidden.  In other words, that device would be
considered to imply that you claim the right to the arms "Argent, a pheon
vert".  What if you drop the pheon and make it a badge (either personal or
household)?  "A pheon vert" would be a very nice badge, if it doesn't
conflict.

                        ---Simon
From: JIM.NORMANDIN@fquest.FidoNet.Org (JIM NORMANDIN)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:23:01 GMT

Still with you ... here in Richmond Va..... trying to get the 9600modem working
so i may start hgetting the gif files ... I have gotten the other files that
you sent me :)
This is a very important echo... and I feel that "ALL"
so help you in any way we can ....Not much typing being done from this end as I
have one wing in a sling (shoulder surgery)

                       Enjoy your Holidays
                                      Jim
From: Theron.Bretz@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Theron Bretz)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Feasts
Date: 9 Dec 92 01:01:00 GMT

From the pen(?) of Etienne de Montagu, good greetings:
Thank you for the kind words about the feast at Academy.  All in all, it seems
to have been very well received.  Kind of ironic though, when you consideator
had to be replaced with onlul y y
two weeks notice to find a new one.  All of us here were likewise very happy
with the way it turned out.
                                        Etienne
From: uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO.off@fquest.FidoNet.Org (uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO off)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Appelgarth
Date: 3 Dec 92 13:53:19 GMT

off the top of my head, it looks like a good, idea, but I would be
worried about volume. especially from those who read the list
at work. it might be annoying to see all these messages come in while
they are supposed to be working on something else. I have no idea
how many people that affects. I, for one, log on remotely before i
go to university. no use trying to get much work done while you havee to
share a mainframe with 100 other users.

A better idea might be to have the commenters compile their own
list so that it does not go to the whole list.
layamon Vavasour, Myrgan Wood Pursuivant.
From: Ruth.Woodring@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Ruth Woodring)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Ah, there you are!
Date: 5 Dec 92 00:12:36 GMT


 Yes, here I am, sprained right hand and all.  I'm a leftie, but still need
the
 other one for 10-key input on the computer at work, which is why it's healing

 so slowly and why I haven't been posting much lately.

 MES> third year in law school and all. Feh. I *need* this sh8, I do. But it
is
 MES> nice to see you back around...a day brightener it was, right about when
I
 MES> could use one.
 Law School, eh?  My husband, Tadhg, would commiserate with you on that one,
as
 he aendured his way through it too.  Keep on plugging away. You'll get there.
 Glad to be able to brighten a day --- that makes ME feel good too!

 MES> OBTW...you said something a while ago about a week-
 MES> long dance something or
 MES> other you were planning on, that was going to crimp your budget enough
to
 MES> make Pennsic difficult. Did you ever see my query 
 MES> about it? It was in regard
 MES> to its location and the possibility of SCAdians local 
 MES> to it putting you up
 MES> to help defray costs...the Known World is your clan, dear lady. :)
 
 Thanks for the crash space offer -- if it's in your area of the Knowne World,
 I may take you up on that.....

 Master Justin de Couer (mka Mark Waks) was the one originally talking about 
doing a Knowne Worlde Dance Seminar for the SCA.  I THINK sometime in 
September 93?

 Oh yeah -- now my brain clears and it comes back to me -- Early Dance and
 Music Institute, somewhere on the East Coast? which runs about $400 for
 tuition and board.  I don't think that crashing offsite is an option there.
 Don't have all of the details -- my Midrealm friends Master Sion and
 Mistress Urraca have attended in past years.  It's in June.  I can get
details
 closer to time and post them.  

 Have lost my job as of the end of this year -- so may not have the money to
 attend any of my interests next year.  We'll see, once I'm employed again.

 -- Vashti
From: uunet!FUNGUS.ZSO.DEC.COM!haslock.Gr@fquest.FidoNet.Org (uunet!FUNGUS.ZSO.DEC.COM!haslock Gr)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Arms, or lack thereof
Date: 4 Dec 92 00:08:09 GMT

Greetings Bjalfi,

It seems to me that the fact that you own arms is irrelevant to your persona
however, it is relevant to some SCA folk with whom you interact.

The obvious example is that of award scrolls. They look a little better
for having a device painted on them. In addition, I have seen a number
of objects decorated with the devices of everyone associated with the
objects (OK so the
AnTir royal pavilion doesn't have its dags yet but when it does every
dag will bear the device of the person or group who subscribed to its
 construction).

Being in much the same position, I have little use for my device except
that I view using a device as a part of the SCA culture of which Fiacha is a
 member
and so I use my device to add to the heraldic display at as many places
and in as many ways as I can. Thus I intend to use it associated with
any office that I might hold as well as flying it from my encampment to
indicate my presence. If I get to the point of having a period
encampment, the banner will fly from the gate, not from somepoint
inside the encampment.

Thus I believe that maintaining a device is a part of being active in
the SCA and is independant of persona issues.

        I hope this helps

                Fiacha
From: Kristal.Andes@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Kristal Andes)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Comm:Gifs at Halcyon.Comm
Date: 3 Dec 92 08:29:00 GMT

Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

I am sorry to report that the files of missing children have been removed
from HALCYON.COM.

The contract Marv Cotton has with the National Center for Missing
Children requires him to maintain a list of places that the gif files
are stored at.
    With the files being available to the Internet via Halcyon.com, it
    is very difficult to determine where the files are stored. There has
    been no system that has filled out the 'availibility' form for this
    purpose.
The reason he has to keep track of the systems keeping the files on line,
is that when one child is found, that picture can be removed from
distribution.
 This cannot be accomplished by posting a message to the fidonet echoid
 of missing children, as the 'gating' of the echoid is NOT a full gate,
 the echoid is 'censored' for use via the Internet. This, along with the
 fact that their is currently no other system reporting the distribution
 of the files, is cause for concern.

Instead of posting message move to conference adult # 1,2, or 3 not
sure of number on your BBS that is local and international such as in
New Jersey.  Sysop  c/o Steven Reinen. Ursa group -RS-232 NET Voice
              (908)-988-7559 The Other BBS, Shadowlands Robert wheeler
              Sysop (908)544-0388.  Central N.J that may help. They
              carry local and international conferences where the
   message is placed Conference number from  # 0 Main to # 10 will keep
   the echo up load out of the international directory conferences and
   go USA to all subscribers of those carriers of Fido, gating

         I am writing to you C?O the Magic Dominion Keyport N>J>
         received 300 d/l today in this conference so Central Nj is
         reading if tapped in with this echo..Conference # here # 28
         Missing Children...........

 * OLX 2.1 * ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! (Tension breaker, had to be done)
From: Elizabeth.Bowles@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Elizabeth Bowles)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Kevin L(?) Ray
Date: 9 Dec 92 20:54:43 GMT

I'm looking for a friend, lost contact approximatly 8 years ago.
NAME:  Kevin L(?) Ray
AGE:   29 -32
HAIR:  Light brown or sandy blonde
EYES:  blue or blue green
LAST KNOW ADDRESS:  Santa Anna California
WIFE: JoAnne
Was in U.S. Army, stationed at Ft. Polk LA in 83-85 appx.  Last time I
saw him he was getting out of the army and heading to CA.  Heard from
him a couple times from Santa Anna, but have heard nothing in over 8
years.  Please leave message.
From: Joshua@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Joshua)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Arms, or lack thereof
Date: 4 Dec 92 03:09:40 GMT

Bjalfi did write:
>The idea, which I'm not sure what to do about yet, was "Hey, if I want my
arms
>to be consonant with my persona, I ought to withdraw them and not re-register
>at all--after all, 11th-century Norsemen didn't _use_ arms for
>identification!"
....
>I guess my question is, does anyone have anything to say to encourage or
>discourage this practice?  Why should I have arms at all?  If you think I
>should keep arms, either the ones I have or others, why?  If you think I
>ought to give up my arms and not take new ones, why?  If there's something
>basic I'm missing here, what is it?

One thing that you may or may not feel is worth thinking about:  Say you
were a Norseman from a time when heraldry was established in England but
not in Scandinavia (I really don't know whether the 11th century
qualifies).  For some reason, the English king decided you had performed a
great service for him, and he wanted to knight you (perhaps you were living
in England at the time --- not too unlikely).  Presumably this honor would
come with a coat of arms, and probably you would take it --- even if you
didn't see any reason to use the arms.

You may or may not feel this applies in any given case --- my feeling would
be (if I were an 11th century Norseman, which I'm not) that I'm currently
living in a kingdom (i.e. one of the Laurel Kingdoms) which grants armory
as an award (whether or not such existed at the time of my persona) and
therefore I would register armory *if* I was getting an AoA --- but
probably not before.

Others should feel free to comment on this argument or their own
interpretations of it.  (Yeah, like it would be possible to stop you all
from commenting....:)

                        ---Simon
From: Bjorn@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bjorn)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Wallet Buster, Part 2of3
Date: 7 Dec 92 20:08:06 GMT

Centaur Forge Catalog

 Centaur Forge Ltd.
 P.O. Box 340         1-800-666-9175
 117 N. Spring St.    1-414-763-9175
 Burlington, Wis.
 53105       USA      1-414-763-8350 (FAX)

Catalog info:

p.     1-7 Shipping & ordering info
p. 190-192 Index of catalog

Magazines, Charts & Videos:

p. 124-125 subscription info for _Anvil_Magazine_, 
           _American_Farriers_Journal_ and _FYI:_Hoofcare_&_Lameness_
p.     126 Wall charts on horses
p. 127-129 Instructional videos:  Farrier, blacksmith, gunsmith, cooper,
           silversmith, bladesmith

BOOKS:

p. 130-133 Farrier
p. 134-138 Veterinary & Horse care
p.     139 Saddlery & Harnesswork
p. 140-141 Wheelmaking & Carriage making
p. 142-143 Gunsmithing & Engraving
p. 144-165 Blacksmithing
p. 166-178 Machine Shop & Foundrywork
p. 179-181 Non-Ferrous Metalworking & Jewelrymaking
p. 182-183 Knifemaking
p. 184-189 Other books 

Gifts:

p.   71-73 Jerseys, T-Shirts & Gift Items

   Jerseys and T-Shirts include the following:

      "SmithY"        "Old Tools Feel Better"  

      "Hand Forged"          "Tool Collector"

      "The hammer forges more than steel... it also forges... 
      character, opportunities, relationships & futures!"

      & one with no writing just a collection of tools depicted

Bjorn Bjorklund, Storvik, Atlantia

 -- SPEED 1.00 [NR]: "Forge all day, dance all night!" - The Dancing Smith
From: Environmental Studies School <ssu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.native
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:51 PST
Subject: Re: Rite of Passage
Nf-ID: #R:deadmin.ucsd.edu:2384:cdp:1308200092:000:611
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ssu    Dec 18 23:51:00 1992


One form is "vision questing", there is lots and lots of info on this subject
some good, some bad, some just some. If you are not raised in the context of
"the people", whichever groups traditions you study, there is always error
in what you take in. Perhaps that error can be a vision quest in itself. And 
in the end/begining you will have to create the word you seek and the experience
from within your people/yourself. Doing this alone, this seeking, can be shall
we say different and perhaps prone to much error, travel with an open heart and pr
and pray (within your tradition) for the help of a teacher.
From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: STRAW VOTE -- my $0.02 worth
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:19 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Quite frankly I must agree with the concept of soc.culture.native.
There is always the future to grow.

Tammy

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From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!jfwhome.funhouse.COM!babs
Subject: Re: movie "Blackrobe"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:10:45 GMT

Original-Sender: jfwhome.funhouse.COM!babs

	Probably the best way to let hollywood know what any group
wants to see is to begin to make your own movies and try to build
up an audience (distribution can be very difficult, however, so
be ready to do your own distribution).  Many black filmmakers have
done so, in the early days of movies there was a strong black film
audience, with many black directors and studios, but distribution was
difficult.  When the industry left NJ and the East for hollywood,
many of them couldn't survive.  I'm glad to see the revival we now
enjoy, but any group which wants to be heard has to do the work, some
of which is to produce their own films.  Some of it is to also let
your audience know you're out there.

				-babs

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: B.I.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09:36 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

Get rid of the BIA... just as long as this doesn't mean the de facto
extinguishing of the Indian nations. Who will we deal with, nation to
nation - the State Department?

Realistically, "self-government" has caught on with a number of
European north american governments because they believe it will
enable them finally to terminate any special status or ongoing
expenses associated with Indians and their nations.

The aim is the transformation of Indian reservations into
municipalities under state or provincial governments, all too often.

Also, such termination seems to have a price tag associated with it:
large dollar compensation going to the Indians as a "buy out" of
their status and treaties. However, it seems to me that such "money"
can only "buy" us what the European government and society issuing
it have to offer - it can't "buy" us any of the things intrinsic to
our own culture. Thus, the "payment" is simply another method of
furthering cultural genocide and fostering dependency upon the
European society.

No land in exchange for "money"!

--
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Peshewegunzh

peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
peshe@mamia.UUCP
mthvax!mamia!peshe

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From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Hanukah greetings
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:12:34 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

What not appropriate?  of course we are ... another tribe, lost or
otherwise.  Just so some of you don't think I'm always too serious,
morous, discouraged, here is a Hanukah Poem for those of you to whom
this will mean something ... file it under Linguistics/Contemporary

It is formatted 2 different ways, with no special fonts (though Hebrew
would have been nice).  Enjoy!


'Twas the evening of Hanukkah, and all through the place
Excitement was mounting, hearts quickened their pace.

When all of a sudden, through a window half open
Zoomed a colorful figure, for whom all were hopin'.

He smiled and declared, in a voice loud and steady,
"It's me, Captain Hanukkah, How are you, already?

I bring holiday goodies as I zip through the sky,
Oy vey, Momma worries, I don't have to say why."

He sighed and he shrugged, "I've had SUCH a day,
I almost collided with some guy in a sleigh."

He said he'd better be going, And as he took to the heights ...
He yelled, "Happy Hanukkah!  Have a great Feast of Lights!"




	'Twas the evening of Hanukkah
	And all through the place,
	Excitement was mounting
	Hearts quickened their pace.

	When all of a sudden,
	Through a window half open,
	Zoomed a colorful figure,
	For whom all were hopin'.
	
	He smiled and declared
	In a voice loud and steady,
	"It's me, Captain Hanukkah,
	How are you, already?
	
	I bring holiday goodies
	As I zip through the sky,
	Oy vey, Momma worries,
	I don't have to say why."
	
	He sighed and he shrugged,
	"I've had SUCH a day,
	I almost collided with
	Some guy in a sleigh."
	
	He said he'd better be going
	And as he took to the heights ...
	He yelled, "Happy Hanukkah!
	Have a great Feast of Lights!"
	
	
	
	

^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^
"We did not weave the web of life.  We   | Lyn Dearborn
are merely a strand in it.  Whatever     | Naturalist/Person
we do to the web, we do to ourselves"    | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
		Chief Seattle 1854
^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^
From: zirk@celece.ucsd.edu (Karin Zirk)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Rite of Passage
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:10:58 GMT

I am trying to find the name of a rite of
passage which I remember hearing about.
I can't remember the tribe's name but the
ritual goes something like this:

    A boy/young man is sent into the woods
    or plains with nothing but his own wits
    and tribal knowledge and a few tools.  He
    then must survive on his own for a set 
    period of time. If he is successfull
    in this ritual, he progress to manhood.

If anyone could help me out with the name
of this ritual in the tribes language or
in english, or if anyone could point me
in the right direction, I would truly appreciate
it.  I've been trying to find this out for some 
time now.


Thank you in advance.

Karin Zirk
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Holidays
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:33:14 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	I just wanted to wish all my brothers and sisters a happy and safe 
holiday season.  May the spirits/god be with all of you.

Steve
Xref: sparky alt.native:1369 alt.pagan:14129 alt.activism:19503
From: zedaker@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (pmw)
Subject: movie "Blackrobe"
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:07:15 GMT

Has anyone seen the movie "Blackrobe"?  I saw it and found it rather  
interesting.  Any thoughts?
 

  --Z
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From: Peshewegunzh <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Get rid of the BIA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:19:06 GMT

Original-Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

It is mere wishful thinking that abolishing the BIA will stop
harassment of the Danns and result in Pelletier's release.

Returning land to Indian nations must mean restoring sovereignty
to Indian nations. I cannot believe the Europeans will ever
do this willingly, and certainly the removal of these lands from a trust
position appears to me to presage an attempt to get their grasping
hands on them through making them taxable and saleable.

If America is serious, honor the treaties, and treat the "domestic
dependent nations" as independent nations, as was once promised solemnly.

But of course it is not.

And thinking Clinton will bring some sort of new age is more
hopeful paternalism. Trust in "the great white father" (or "mother") is as
illusory as ever it was. It should be remembered that the phrase was
originally used ironically, even sardonically.

--
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Peshewegunzh

peshe%mamia.UUCP@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia.UUCP!peshe
peshe@mamia.UUCP
mthvax!mamia!peshe

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From: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>
Subject: The BIA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:14:00 GMT

Original-Sender: "Elizabeth B. Pollard" <asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>

Just a brief correction to my last message. The name of the aide answering
E-Mail to Clinton should have been Jock Gill. That's what I get for trusting
my memory late in the day.

--Liz

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