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From: babineau@bnr.ca (Michael Babineau)
Subject: Re: ZOOM products????
Reply-To: babineau@bmerh812.BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:16:10 GMT

In article <92225.085748U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>, <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I've been thinking of getting a intagrated bar/bar-end and had planned to
|> get a scott a2-lf or a3-lf until I saw a mail-order add for the zoom bar.
|> It weighs in at approx 230-240 grams (less than the a3lf but more than the
|> a2lf(195g))) and cost only $26!!!!!!  Their cromoly stem cost about $29
|> and weighs in at less than a answer A-tac.  I know weight isnt everything
|> so here is my question is....is this stuff junk???? Is it poorly made,
|> weak, bad at absorbing shock or what....or is it just another product
|> of good quality being made cheaply in Taiwan??????
|> 

I have been riding with a Brahama Bar on my Paramount 70 for about a 
month or so and I really like it. The reason that the Zoom products are
cheaper than the Scott Bars is that they use T 6010 series aluminum rather
than the somewhat lighter/stronger/more-expensive 7000 series which
Scott uses. 

I do notice a little flex in the bar but it is not excessive (it may 
even help to absorb some of the shock on downhills) and it is definately
a lot lighter than the Richey CRoMo bar I had before. 

I general, I think that if you consider cost/performance its a very 
good deal. I found it was much cheaper to replace my existing bar with 
the Brahma Bar than to purchase add-on bar-ends.

There is also a Brahama Ex which has a bit more of a wrap-around 
(similar to the Scott AT3). This seems to be standard equipment on many 
of the Diamond Back Bikes these days. You can also get Brahama Grips
to fit both the Brahama bar and Brahama Ex.

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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: What cold weather bike shoe?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:18:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.144949.16618@ncs.com> dick@ncs.com writes:
>Is there a decent winter shoe?
  None that I or my friends have seen.  I find that booties work but only
down to about 5C and then only for a little while.  No combination of
socks inside/outside and/or plastic bags/booties has kept my feet warm for
any length of time.
  So the natural solution is to heat your foot.  If you are good with a 
soldering iron and know some basic electronics then build yourself some
heaters.  Basically I use 10 resistors of the 1/8 W variety but I would
recommend using 5 * 1/4W.  You solder them into a chain which goes under
your toes.  Carry some nicads and there you are.  Heat for as long as the
batteries last.
  Problems:
    1) The resistors are too hot.  Since you can't feel absolute temperature
         this feels like your feet are freezing while you are getting burnt by
         the resistors.  If you can't hold them with your hand don't put them
         under your feet.
    2) Wires breaking.  With all the flex and lack of applicable experience most
         people have trouble with wires braking. 
    3) Wires shorting.  After they break they sometimes do short.  This is very
         spectular because the nicads will put out enough current to melt the
         wire.  If you run the wires under your tights like I do you must make
         sure that this is a very very rare thing.
Its a bit of a pain using a fanny pack to carry a 12V stack of D sized
nicads but you can also use it to power a headlight.  Right now I am playing
with a 30 to 100W headlight that runs off 12V (for $4 I could not refuse trying
a car headlight).  More details on that later when I have done some real life
tests.
  - Eric 
//  Has there been one month this past year when you have not worn leg warmers
//    or a Lifa undershirt?
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Suck on Mt Bike
Summary: Mud ??
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:28:00 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <49kG02Qo1eX501@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
>  
> However, I or my friends have
> tried all of the above, and none has proven foolproof: If you want to, you can suck
> a chain. About the only absolute way to prevent suck is to never ride in mud
> and never shift under load, two practices that are very difficult to avoid
> for a serious off-road rider. However, if you shy from mud-riding (thrashes the
> environment anyway), cut-down on underload chain-ring shifts (shift earlier

Sounds like this posting came out of the West Coast..where mud on the trails is a
once in a lifetime affair. Whereas out here in New England most of our trails have
muddy spots 9 months of the year, for the other 3 months the muddy spots just become
"brown icy spots". :-)

I do my best to *not* further trench out the mud holes created by, low spots, and horse 
traffic, and mud addicted bikers..but sometimes it happens - I ride through mud (is
this like admitting "I inhaled"  ??) :-0


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From: oscar@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Oscar DeMartino)
Subject: Re: Why shave?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:59:21 GMT

In article <BszA7J.L5G@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>At long last a plausable reason.
>  It makes it a lot easier to put on sun lotion.

I guess if you need sun lotion under your bread this makes sense.

>But mainly it makes the legs look great, although I don't know how to avoid

Now this is a GOOD reason.

>a lot of ingrown hairs (I can't look like a fuzzy mutant and stop at the
>shorts could I).
>  - Eric 


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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Have you visited New Zealand?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:25:19 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi,  I'm a keen cyclist and enjoy this newsgroup,  but often find there is
liitle of relevance for me down here in New Zealand.
  
I've done both touring and  mountainbiking,  but mainly race now. 
Through the net I've been helping other cyclists who are planning tours down
here in the future,  and thought it would be good to have some feedback from
any overseas cyclists on their experiences down here in the past.  
This is mostly a call of curiosity,  but I'd be really interested if anyone has
comments on their visits here,  cycling or otherwise.

E-mail's fine,
Cheers!

Jonathan.
From: georgek@juliet.caltech.edu (Komatsoulis, George A.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Profile BREEZE recall
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:28:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

Hi there,
     I was at the bike shop the other day, getting rid of an annoying click in
the freewheel cluster (all quiet now), when the mechanic pointed out that 
there was an open recall on all Profile Breeze aero bars. Apparently there
are some problems with the joint between the mounting unit and the hollow
tube section in some of the bars. If you return the bars to the shop Profile 
will take them back and replace them with a set of new AeroII's (about twice
the cost of the Breeze). Just a thought to keep aero types off the ground. 
Sorry if I missed a previous post on the subject.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Opinions Sought On Eight-Speed, Indexed Shifting Gruppos
From: Joshua Tankel <JPTCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 12:01:14 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I'm finally gonna get with the program and replace my old Mavic SSC equip-
ment with a modern, eight speed, indexed-shifting gruppo.  I'd be very
grateful to hear your experiences and opinions.  I'll gladly post a summary.
I'm a bit of a weight freak (I've been using Modolo's carbon fiber shift
levers) and would appreciate any info about equipment weight.  Durability,
functionality and price are, of course, also concerns.  I'm particulary
interested in the more 'obscure' manufacturers: Suntour, Sachs/Huret and
Weinmann.  Has Leonard Zinn written anything in the vein in Velo News?

                                                        Thanks, Josh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: Re: All that fat
Summary: some fat is good
Keywords: fat, diet, nutrition
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:22:35 GMT

In article <16190397@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>In rec.bicycles, somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE) writes:
>
>> High fat diets are linked to a number of serious
>> diseases (such as various cancers), not just heart disease.

>There must be *SOME* fat in the diet.  The body cannot survive
>
>Your logic is flawed.  While it is true that high fat diets are
>bad, this does *NOT* mean that ALL fat is bad.  If a cyclist is
>doing enough milage, say 50-100 miles a day on a long tour, his/her
>caloric needs will be so great that they can consume a considerable
>amount of fat and still stay under the AHA guideline of <30% of 
>total calories from fat.

       [benefits of some fat in diet]

>In short, don't put any more faith in the extremist claims of militant 
>vegetarians than you do in the propaganda from the beef and dairy industry. 
>A little meat, ice cream, and milk won't turn you into a supermodel with
>perfect teeth, nor will it strike you dead on the spot.


WOW, some _sensible_ advice about diet in rec.bicycles!

I eat mainly a non-red meat diet, but be reasonable--a little red
meat (or other fat containing treats) is not only okay, it is a
good change so you don't get bored.  

I know people who are vegan, vegetarian, or certified plant haters (one 
guy won't eat something unless there is meat in it).  Unfortunately,
very few of the dedicated vegies I know are very healthy.  You have
to work hard to get a good balanced diet if you are trying to avoid
all meat.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: RE:Bicycle Paths (Gas Tax)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.170238.24133@mdd.comm.mot.com>
byars@mdd.comm.mot.com (David A. Byars) writes:
 
>
>I don't think cars should be outlawed, but I do think the
>Gas Tax should be increased dramatically. Gas costs about
>$1.25 - $1.50 a gallon at the pump, but what is the real cost?
>
Similarly, you should consider the cost of more expensive gas in
terms of jobs lost and other economic consequences. And without
good long-distance mass transit, there won't be any real shift
in kinds of transport used. It takes many years to build up this
kind of system, and there's no guarentee the gas taxes will pay for it.
 
My home town built a fancy new transit system for the downtown area
and bragged that ridership would pay all operational costs as well
as recover all capital costs. Of course, ridership doesn't even cover
50% of the operational costs.
 
>How much did Dessert Storm add to the real price of GAS? If my
>tax dollars are used to pay the defense budget, am I not subsidizing
>the fuel of all the cars that pass me as I bike to work? DO I like it?
 
Actually, no. Had Iraq stayed in Kuwait gas prices would have been no
different. They would have exactly the same profit maximizing incentives
as does Kuwait. Had the European allies banned the import of Iraqi oil,
the Iraqis would have sold it elsewhere...freeing up other oil for us
to buy.
>
>Add $.50 a gallon to the gas tax and create an environmental fund.
 
Problem is that such a fund would of necessity be adminitered by the same
politicians that have been so successful in promoting conservation,
alternatives to automotive transprotation and so forth ;-)
 
On the other hand, how'd you feel about bicycle toll roads?
         --mike
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions Sought On Eight-Speed, Indexed Shifting Gruppos
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:51:52 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 120114JPTCU@CUNYVM.BITNET, JPTCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Joshua Tankel) writes:
>I'm finally gonna get with the program and replace my old Mavic SSC equip-
>ment with a modern, eight speed, indexed-shifting gruppo.  I'd be very
>grateful to hear your experiences and opinions.  I'll gladly post a summary.
>I'm a bit of a weight freak (I've been using Modolo's carbon fiber shift
>levers) and would appreciate any info about equipment weight.  Durability,
>functionality and price are, of course, also concerns.  I'm particulary
>interested in the more 'obscure' manufacturers: Suntour, Sachs/Huret and
>Weinmann.  Has Leonard Zinn written anything in the vein in Velo News?
>
>                                                        Thanks, Josh

Though I hate shimano, Hyperglide shifts significantly better than any other
system I've ridden. If you want to stay with a freewheel, TNT makes a custom
Hyperglide freewheel, enabling you to use hubs other than Shimano or hard to
find NukeProofs. Next best is PowerFlo, from Suntour but this only comes in 
7speed (Suntour's 8-spd is Accushift Plus and shifts *horribly*). Look for
Suntour to have a PowerFlo 8 speed casssette next year.  Campy 8-spd a distant
3rd, but these are available in a very light alloy cassette. Problem is,
Campy hubs are very heavy, even the alloy bodied model. Mavic has a new
cassette hubset that is fairly light. I've not heard how well they shift,
but after looking at the cog contours, I'm not especially optimistic.
I believe these can be used with various dual-control levers.
Sachs-Malliard has an 8 speed freewheel that is able to be used with any
indexing system, but it shifts poorly. 

For real light weight, Regina makes an adapter for Shimano 8 speed cassettes
that enable you to use Regina alloy cogs. The adapter is called the XLR8.
Hugi of Switzerland makes aluminum alloy hyperglide cogs also, while Design
Group International (DGI) and RekTek machine Titanium hyperglide cogs. None
of lightweight cogs sets shift well.

You probably don't need me to enumerate all the different dual-control or
down tube shifters available. All the manufacturers will tell you that
a Shimano 8-spd cassette requires Shimano Derailluer and shifters, while
campy needs campy, etc. B.S. As long as you match shifters and derailluers
(and sometimes you don't have to do this either), Suntour indexes Shimano
Campy switches Shimano, Shimano indexes Suntour and Campy, etc.

Hope this helps.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bschwart@gath.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT:  Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:53:38 CDT

In article <1992Aug18.134822.12261@walter.cray.com> I write:

>Even if you left
>your helmet sit in the sun, I wouldn't think UV would penetrate deep enough
>to affect the foam beyond an outer crust.
>

I should also mention that I did not take a core sample of the helmet foam.
I didn't think of it until after garbage day. I'll make a mental note to do
this in a couple of years when I retire my current helmet, and report then :-)

Bob Schwartz
bschwart@cray.com
From: pgf@cayman.COM (Paul Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rubber Valves
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:52:17 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge Ma

etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:
: 
: Does this ring a bell with anybody outside Scandinavia?
: 
: The central part of this valve mechanism (both literally and
: figuratively) is a small, hollow, metallic stem, about the same
: diameter as a Presta valve. It's open at the outer end but at the inner
: end the opening is in the sidewall. A short (1 cm / 0.5 in) piece of
: rubber tubing over the inner end allows air to pass in one direction
: but not the other. The stem is inserted in something that vaguely
: resembles a Schrader valve and is held in place by a special nut.

This kind of bicycle valve is also used extensively (at least it used to be,
and probably still is) in India.  I don't know about other Asian countries.
I always assumed it was cheaper to make/repair than schraeder valves (which
_are_ used on automobiles in India).  But maybe it has older history, if
they're also used in Scandinavia...

paul fox, pgf@cayman.com
-- 
		paul fox, pgf@cayman.com, (617)494-1999
		Cayman Systems, 26 Landsdowne St., Cambridge, MA 02139
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:49:20 GMT

Michael Wong writes:

> It seems to me that a cam in the brake lever (such as Shimano "Servo-Wave")
> would change this significantly. Also, it seems that differing arm length
> of the caliper or cantilever would affect this advantage.
>
> [rest deleted]
>>
>> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Let me state it again.  There is only so much travel in the average
athletic human hand and unless there has been a great change in braking
material recently (there hasn't) the ratios must be mostly the same.
The hand levers must be the same to be interchangeable with others.
The mechanisms are deceptive in their overlaid linkages.  The only way
to accurately determine the ratio is to measure the ratio of cable
movement to inter-pad spacing change.  This must be done at mid stroke
and at the midpoint of the pad since the rotation on some cantilevers
is substantial.

You might, in the future, desist from appending my sig block to your
presentation in spite of monthly repetition by Mike Iglesias of the net
procedures that expressly state not do this.  Its inclusion has no
function except to misrepresent whose words are whose.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Subject: Re: TECH: What's a Schwinn Precis?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:17:04 GMT

In article <16846CC11.RONEAL@lexmark.com> RONEAL@lexmark.com writes:
>Hi.  Just want to see if anyone has any info on a Schwinn Precis.  I saw one
>in a pawn shop last week that looked really quite nice.  The place was wanting
>$90 for it

Hmmm.. Could it be a Premis?  I have a Premis, and although all my Trek-riding
friends hassle me about it, I have been pleased.  Mine came with Suntour
Cyclone drivetrain.  It cost $330 about 3 years ago.  I have since replaced
every component, nut and bolt on it, but the frame is still holding up well.
Mine is a 58cm and fully built, weighs in at about 24lbs., it has Columbus 
'Tenex' tubes (has anyone heard of this type of tube?).

Sean
sean@cs.tamu.edu   [The guy with Campy hubs on a Schwinn]
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,su.market,misc.forsale
From: ncc1701a@isl.Stanford.EDU (ncc1701a)
Subject: <<< Office Supplies Liquidation >>>
Summary: Clearence Sale of Office Furniture
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:26:10 GMT

I was crusing Shoreline Blvd in Mountain View and saw a WhiteBoard
proclaiming a Clearence Sale of Office Furniture.

This guy (Richie) has more whiteboard, chairs and other office equipment
acquired from failed companies.  He has to get rid of his stuff in the 
next month since his lease is up.  He is a pretty decent guy and makes some
great deals ($55 white board for $20) so if you want, check him out.
He is between Central Expressway and 101 off of Shoreline Blvd.

Tell him the guy from Stanford sent you.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rkohli@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Suffering Socutash!)
Subject: Reccomendations for a MTN Bike!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:36:00 GMT

Greetings all,
      I am planning to buy a MTN Bike (my last bike of two years got stolen 
over the weekend). I needed reccomendations and suggestions to help me buy a new
one. Especially, when would be a good time to buy bicycles.

here are some specs:
1) Budget approx $300-$400.
2) Should be able to handle on campus sidewalks and off road MTN Biking ( I'm 
shooting to do the Colorado Trail next summer and couple of other trails before 
the winter).

If this is a FAQ then I would appreciate it if somebody would E-Mail me the FAQ.

An E-MAIL reply is appreciated as I don't keep up with this newsgroup.

Thanks for your time.
:-) ranjan 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     	      The vain attempt to avoid errors by inactivity.
                               Ranjan Kohli.
                       Student Software Consultant,
                          University Of Oklahoma.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Correct seat height?
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:19:17 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson):
>I'm hoping some of you netters may have experienced this same problem
>and can offer suggestions.  I ride a 25 inch hybrid and have the seat
>raised where my leg is at virtually full extension when the pedal is at
>bottom dead center.  This is the general "rule of thumb" I've been
>told at numerous bike shops.  The problem is that while riding I gradually
>slide forward on the saddle.  I don't notice it until I've managed to slip 
>so far forward that I need to reposition myself backwards.  Is this a 
>function of needing to raise the saddle still higher or possably needing
>to reposition the saddle horizontally on the post?  Any help will be
>appreciated.  

I've got the same 'problem'. I move forward when in the saddle on my
racing bike. However, I have not changed my seat height. I have only
tried to move the saddle a bit forward since my body seems to go
forward. But it didn't work out.

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