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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:11:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1992Aug18.220910.27207@linus.mitre.org> rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.202616.22716@walter.bellcore.com> jyri@faline.UUCP (Jyri Virkki) writes:
>
>>>>I am graduating from school and am interested in purchasing a small reliable c
>>>>- preferably hatchback.
>>>>Do you have recommendations of cars to consider buying and cars to consider NO
>>>>buying.
>>>
>>>I _HIGHLY_ recommend an '81 or later Rabbit Diesel.
>
>Diesels: you either hate them or you love them.  No in-betweens.  I
>suggest you take one for a ride and decide.  If you don't mind the
>noise, exhaust smell, and poor acceleration, it may not be a bad
>choice for you.  IF any of these bother you, try something else.

Don't forget the hard starting in winter as you sit there shivering
while the glow plugs make enough heat to get the thing going... :-(
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: andy@curie.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:55:16 GMT

  I have a great idea for all you diesel rabbit fans out there, could you
please check your newsgroups line and take out rec.autos.sport and maybe
some of the othe newsgroups that may not be interested in this particular
thread.

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: ycheah@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: '86 Subaru - reset EGR light, how?
Organization: Hampshire College
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:53:30 GMT

In article <405@bit.UUCP>, thomas@bit.UUCP (Thomas Walter) writes:
> 
> Another one of those "how do I turn off the EGR light" request.
> ;-( 
> 
> '86 Subaru - where is the magic "button"? A fellow Datsun Roadster
> enthusiast asked this of me, as I know "all about cars!" Sigh, I have
> enough fun keeping up with 25 year old roadsters!
> 
> email is fine, or post it (I read r.a.t. daily),
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Thomas Walter			internet: bit!thomas@cse.ogi.edu
> Beaverton, OR			punt it!: thomas%bit@cse.ogi.edu
> Datsun Roadster Journal - tech editor
> 
> P.S. posted this a couple of days ago to 'pnw'; alas no replies 
> (despite the number of subaru's running around in Oregon/Washington).

The EGR light goes on just as your car turn 60K miles, right? If this is the
case, or if you are resetting it for another reason, here's how to:

Remove the fuse panel cover. (Driver's side, right of the steering colume.)
Remove the fuse panel itself. Reach inside and slightly above (towards the
hazard button.) The are two connectors that are unconnected. I believe they are
green in color and have only one wire attached. (It may be blue, I cannot
remember.) Attach these two and keep them attached (so say my Subaru dealer).
Viola!

Yin-chai


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jwg@iedv7.acd.com ( Jim Grey )
Subject: Re: HumVee 4 Sale??
Keywords: HumVee, AMC, LTV
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.072525.27227@midway.uchicago.edu> haase@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Mark Haase) writes:
>Dear Users,
>
>It is my understanding that AMC sells military-grade HumVees to the 
>general populus.  Does anyone know who or where to contact AMC for this 
>information?  Thanks.
>
>Chris Haase
>Univeristy of Chicago
>(I need one in my neighborhood!)


AMC does NOT NOT NOT manufacture Hummers.  AMC is defunct, belly-up,
bankrupt, history.  Hummers are made in Mishawaka, Indiana by a division of
LTV.  Yes, you can buy one, if you have $40K lying around.
 
I used to work in Mishawaka/South Bend.  I worked for a courier service; one
of our customers was LTV, at that time called AM General.  This was 1986, 
before anyone had heard of the Hummer outside Northern Indiana.  It sure was
cool to see a billion of them sitting around on their lot.  What's more, they
always left a smidge of gas in all of them, so if an employee needed to scoot
from one end of the compound to the other, they'd hop in one, press the start
button, and haul butt.
 
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:02:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.030456.544@informix.com> aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) writes:
>In article <kelley.713762232@cwis> kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
>>If you would rather not cut them off, as suggest before, you can fall
>>back onto a thiefs trick...take a socket, about a 3/4 inch I think,
>>hammer it onto the keyed lug, and use a socket wrench to turn it
>>...
>
>Is the implicit message behind all of these locking lug work-arounds that
>they are of little value in deterring wheel theft?  e.g. do they just turn a
>two-minute job into a two-minute fifteen-second job?
>
>
>--
>Alan Denney  #  aland@informix.com  #  {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland
>
> "The driver says, 'One more cup of coffee and I'll be all right...'
>  'Pop a Bennie, another Bennie'..."             - The Bobs, "Bus Plunge"

Its the "easist" path theory, clubs, alarms, wheel locks can't stop a thief,
they can just make it much more logical and take the "easist" path of taking
the car down the street....


Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: jbm@sei.cmu.edu (Jason Mahoney)
Subject: WANTED-OLDSMOBILE
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:13:23 GMT

     I'm posting this for a friend so....
 
             He's looking for a Hurst Olds or a 442 in fairly good condition
     and priced under $5000 if possible.  If not, well then just respond anyhow
     he might consider it.   Thanks!!



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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Blue Book prices for 190 MB
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:49:08 GMT

Anyone have the blue book prices for an 85-86 MB 190?
 
Thanks.
 
Kevin
KPJONE01@ULKYVX.CT.LOUISVILLE.EDU

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Subject: Re: Sentra timing belt
Keywords: timing belt
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:21:11 GMT

xia@acsu.buffalo.edu (Xinfu Xia) writes:

>Have you Sentra owner had enough of the idiot sensor light ripe off??
>Here is a another item.  Two local Nissan deals send me two coupons for
>change the timing belt at 60K mi.  One for $239, another for $165.
>I suspect they are playing the game to make us think we can save 
>$239-$165=$74 .    I checked the local auto store.  The price for
>the belt is $16 some thing.  So what the hell can they sell me the
>great saving at $165 ???

  Sure the part is only $16.

  It's the labor that`s expensive:

  To change the timing belt in a sensor all the other belts have to be
removed.  So do some of the support bolts for various things like the 
alternator and the AC.  Don't forget the right engine mount either.

  I've done the job myself.  It's time consuming even if you knwo execatly
what you are doing.

  By the way, watch your timing belt.  If it goes you're looking at a head job
minimum 'cause the values are guaranteed to hit the pistons.  Lowest repair
job I;ve heard to date (aside from me doing my own) was $1100.

-Matth


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From: jlaine@mits.mdata.fi (Joakim Laine)
Subject: Re: New MBs
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:18:38 GMT

In article <1353@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:

>|> >They have a 300 Cabriolet in Europe now.  Amazing what you can do with one
>|> >chassis:  300E 2.6, 300E 2.5D, 300E, 400E, 500E, 300E 4MATIC, 300E wagon, 300E
>|> >cabrio, 300CE...  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
>|> 
>|> 	Actually, that's a 300D, not a 300E 2.5D (although it does come
>|> 	with a 2.5l diesel). Although MB is a gotten awfully flexible with
>|> 	their naming conventions lately, I've never seen a diesel with an 
>|> 	"E" designation anywhere on the car. The closest I've seen MB come 
>|> 	to "stealth" badging is to something like "300D  turbo) on the
>|> 	back of a 1987 300D (notice they left the word "diesel" off the
>|> 	turbo designation, a deviation from the past although any MB fan
>|> 	immediately knows that the "D" designation is for diesel and that
>|> 	the only turbo's MB has on passenger cars are on diesels)
>|> 
>|> Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
>
>The 300 w/2.5D  has a different denomination in Europe (which confused me)  I
>think it's called the 250D.  They european designations are strange:  190E 1.8,
>190E 2.0, 230E (=US 190E 2.3--there is no 190E 2.6 that I have seen), 
>260E (=US 300E 2.6), 250D (=US 300D).  The S classes are more or less the same,
>but the common practice there is to remove all badges from the big M-B's (and
>the small ones as well, but less common).  It's the ultimate "stealth"
>badging--none at all.  In fact most people M-B's from the factory without

Well, the 230E here in Europe would be what you Americans would call a 
MB 300E 2.3.

MBs in Finland : "190s" : 190D, 190D 2.5, 190D 2.5 Turbo, 190E 1.8, 
                          190E (which is 2.0), 190E 2.5-16v, 190E 2.6

                 "w124" : 200D, 250D, 250D Lang, 250D Turbo, 300D,
                          300D Turbo, 300D Turbo 4Matic

                          200E, 230E, 260E, 260E Lang, 300E, 300E-24v,
                          300E 4Matic, 500E

                 "w124 STW" : 250TD, 300TD, 300TD Turbo, 300TD Turbo 4Matic,
                          200TE, 230TE, 300TE, 300TE-24v, 300TE 4Matic

                 "w124 Coupe" : 230CE, 300CE, 300CE-24v, 300CE-24v Cabriolet

                 S-Class : 300SE-600SEL and 500SEC/600SEC just like in the US.

                 Roadster : 300SL, 300SL-24v, 500SL

NEW: (not listed on my Tax Free prices- brochure) 600SL

Oh, by the way, thanks to our high car tax, a 600SEL costs well over
300 000 USD 8-).

>-- 
>Horace Dediu                                                  GTE Laboratories
>(617) 466-4111                                                40 Sylvan Road
>Internet: hdediu@gte.com                                      Waltham, MA 02254


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: root@acpy01.att.com (System Administrator(CXNIXCN1))
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:56:46 GMT

I think new Prelude looks OK ( well so-so) from the front and ugly from 
the back. The rear spoiler makes back look a little better.
I also think that current generation Celica is even worse and also 
underpowered (except turbo, but that is over $20.000).
I think in '90s MAZDA and MITSUBISHI will gain bigger share of sports
coupe market if TOYOTA and HONDA will not clean up their act.
HONDA in general will be in trouble in this decade.
Every model they have is under pressure:

Civic <- '93 Corolla, Saturn, $$$ 
Accord <- Tauras, Camry, Saturn, "LH" cars ???
Prelude <- MX6, Probe GT, Corrado V6
Vigor <- 325i, 90, Maxima SE, Diamante, Camry SE
Legend <- ES300, GS300('93), 929, 525i
Legend (coupe) <- SC300/400
NSX <- $$$ 

And by the way J.D.Powers scores prove that Acura name is just a gimmick
for U.S. customers (in Europe it's Honda Legend and Honda NSX),
where Lexus is for real. Just look into difference in score between the 
Lexus and Toyota.
I am not against HONDA, I own HONDA myself but if '94 ACCORD is not 
better then Camry and '95 Legend is not better than ES300 and at least 
equal to GS300, HONDA may find itself in BIG trouble in U.S.
From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Talon/Eclipse/Laser mailing list...
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:48:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: pool.1992Aug20.124854.5584
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology


	Can someone help me post to the above mailing list?  I can receive
posted articles but my messages bounce every time.  
	I'm using talon-list@radius.com, but to no avail.  Ideas?
-- 
 I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Larger tires for Audis
Keywords: 15 and 16inch wheels
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 08:32:33 GMT

In regard to the qqquestion on what tire/wheel combination one
could use with the Audi 5000/100/200 cars here are a few tidbits.

The S4 uses a 225/50VR tire on 8 inch wide x 16 inch wheels
I believe the 200 turbo quattro uses a 215/60VR tire on 7.5 inch x
15 inch wheels.


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From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:02:16 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

In article <1992Aug12.201303.1706@crc.ricoh.com> chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton) writes:
>mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>> james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >The ZR1 could never pass that cavalier. They had stuffed a cizeta moroder
>> >V16 drivetrain in it. It could have left the vette in a pile of fiberglass
>> >if that dumb driver hadn't been playing with the cupholder.
>> >-- 
>> 
>> bahahahaha ROTFL!
>> 
>> Yea right. Actually...chevy is one of the few companies I can think of that
>> I like all of their vehicles. [this excludes the GEOs].
>
>  So, you mean you like the Corsica?????????  YUK!

And Chevy's Shamu, the Caprice?
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From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:09:52 GMT

rra21220@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rae R. Aranas) writes:

>I was just wondering what
>all of the rec.auto readers
>thought about the new
>Honda Prelude

>Looking for opinions,
>RRA

I like the overall body shape.

Dislike the rear tail lights.

The dash is terrible.  Honda really screwed this up.

--Terry
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:43:22 GMT

meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:

>Usually when I take my car to the Ford dealer every 7500 miles for
>sheduled maintenance, it costs about $170 and it includes
>oil change, checking the hoses, battery, etc., lubing the chassis,
>and rotating the tires.  
>But today, I took my car in for the 30,000 mile sheduled maintenance
>service and the  guy told me it will cost $758.  And this is not
>for fixing anything.
>Can anybody tell me what they do at 30,000 mi. that they don't
>do at other mileages on Ford cars?
>Has any other Ford owners experienced the same thing at their
>30,000 mile maintenance

WHAT THE HELL....170 DOLLARS FOR MAINTANCE...!!!!!!.....

lets see...oil change 20 bucks at jiffy lube...or the whole deal for 60
bucks or so...maybe, now, when you take it in, do the do tune up
also..like change the plugs and suck...if so, if its a FI car..a tune
may cost 100 dollars at the most....but 758...now that sounds like a
rip...do you have a written list of what that included?...new
injectors...a new engine?...what...750...now what could that include...
a tune up...150...so that leaves 500...now, new
injectors....200...maybe..that leaves 300...50 bucks to wash the
car??...and that leaves 250 for a tip for the mechanic!?...I hope you
had this done as an esitimat first and not just done with out being
called...i would really like to know what all they did...
.
From: babineau@spxtech.qc.ca (Andre Babineau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New Volvo 740 or the end of 740
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:25:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 545

From article <1992Aug17.183535.28233@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, by gong@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (jiechen.james.gong):
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know when they will redesign (or replace) Volvo 740 and
> 740 wagen?  A saleman told me that Volvo will discontinue the 740
> saden next year.  Is that ture?
> 
I don't know if Volvo will discontinue the 740 but if you want a real
new Volvo go try out the 850 GLT.
You will be surprise!!!!


Andre Babineau,                 Securiplex Technologies Inc.
babineau@spxtech.qc.ca          Montreal, Quebec   CANADA
From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Buying a car in Calif., and registering it in some other state.....
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:44:59 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


In the process of transfering out of state, I am having to sell my 
dear-beloved second car ( read junk :-), as the company will not
pay for moving it :-(

I am considering the option of buying a newer car ( about six to
eight years old ), and having it shipped at company expense.  The
reason is that the state I am moving to - Massachusetts - ( no
comments, please ), is more likely to have cars which are beset
by the problem of rust !!

The problem is that quite obviously, if I were to buy in CA, I would
end up paying for the sales tax, the registration ( including the 
smogginf ).  This could well amout to more that 10 to 15 % of the
sales price #$%$%%^.  Is there any way to avoid this expense ?
Could I buy and have it shipped with just the seller's signature
on the title ?

Would appreciate any comments/suggestions.....

Regards,


Jawa


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: How Accurate is the Blue Book?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:31:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug19.214501.17144@engage.pko.dec.com>, wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman) writes:

<stuff deleted>
> Ask the dealer for the previous owner's phone number if it can be tracked down.
> Then call this person asking for the history of the car, from the point of
> maintenance and driving style, general opinion of the car, and the price it was
> traded-in to the dealer.  The price can be tricky, since in general it is much
> better than the wholesale value because the discount of the new car purchase
> is usually bundled in.  Reputable dealers should be willing to give this
> phone number, especially if the car is in good condition.
> 
I wouldn't want a bunch of folks calling me about my trade-in, would you?  I
believe that my transaction with a dealer is my private business and my name,
phone number, address, etc. is no one's business but the state's for taxing
purposes.  Don't rely on a car's history - get an independent mechanic to check
out the car.  If the dealer won't let you mechanic look at it, don't buy the
car there.

Also note that the "wholesale" price is also considered by most insurance
companies to be the "actual cash value" which is what you get from your company
when the car is totalled.  The retail price is NOT used by insurance companies. 
The dealer most likely paid wholesale or very close to it (and don't forget to
adjust the prices, wholesale and retail, as specified by the "blue book" for
mileage, options, west coast car (they are worth more :) ), etc.  Use that
adjusted wholesale price as your negotiating starting point.  The dealer will
use the retail price or higher :(.

Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's) 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: V6 .vs. inline 6
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:32:04 GMT

In article <53060057@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong) writes:

>I know that a 4cyl 
>is inherently less balanced than a 6 or 8, so how does a 4cyl boxer then 
>compare with a 4cyl inline in terms of power, torque, max rpm, 
>roughness/smoothness etc.

A 4 cylinder boxer is better balanced than an inline 4.  You'll never
see a boxer 4 with balance shafts because it doesn't need it.  As for
the other characteristics, I don't think that there's an inherent
advantage that the boxer has.  i.e. it will be due to other design
parameters and not the way the cylinders are laid out.  


eliot