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From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: SEASONS - Program of Indian Dances in MN
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: mn
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:01:41 GMT



		Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
		~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ 
			presents


		   " S E A S O N S "
		   * * * * * * * * *

		 The seasons of India
		  interpreted through
	       classical and folk dances

		       Performers :

	Rita Mitra Mustaphi and students (Kathak)
	Rani and Aparna Ramaswamy (Bharata Natyam)
	Sohini Ray (from New York, Manipuri)
	Gujarati Group (Gujarati Folk Dances)
	Ethnic Dance Theater of MN (Folk Dances)

	Mala Ganguly (from LA, Vocal)
	David Whetstone (Sitar)
	Prabhas Moghe (Sitar)
	Allalaghatta Pavan (Tabla)
	Suresh (from Cincinatti, Mridangam)

When  : Saturday, Jan. 16, 1993 (2:00 p.m and 7:30 p.m)
Where : St. Paul Student Center, 2017 Buford Ave., St. Paul, MN, 55108
Tickets : General Admission $ 9.00
	  Advance (before Jan 15), Students, Seniors and Members of Minnesota
	  Dance Alliance and India Club of India - $ 7.00
Info  : Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
	(612)894-8795
	(612)537-8291
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Summary: Think again!
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:33:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.221527.22233@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>
>I think the best solution might be some compromise, whereby a country
>gets X votes, where X is the GNP of the country times the number of
>people.
>
>
>just some thoughts...

For the U.S., that would be approximately 1,350,000,000,000,000,000,000 votes.

good luck counting the ballots.

Tamer Abdelgawad
From: wsbusup2@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.china
Subject: Who are Kuharic and Selimoski
Keywords: Puzzle
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:20:38 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusup2@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna

I am working on a puzzle for which I need to finish a sequence of
names. The names Kuharic and Selimoski are given and i need a third
name to finish the sequence. If you know the third name please let me
know via e-mail. If i get an answer I will post it to this group.

Thanks in advance, Kees van Tol.
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: The U.N. and the U.S.
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:08:55 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan9.094946@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
> Its funny. I thought you said that the UN owed its existence to the US and the
> west and seeing the kind of action the UN has taken in many trouble spots, I
> would think the US, Britain, France made up the UN. The UN is in fact a
> coalition of the US, Britain and France ( and now a subservient Russia). 
> But you then start to distinguish the UN from the will of the US 
> and the west. 
>

I think it is unreasonable for anyone to expect that President Bush
would want to get involved in Bosnia so close to the end of his term
(the change of Presidency to Governor Clinton is on Jan. 20). In fact, 
the last 6 months have been difficult for President Bush politically
to get involved in a foreign action, because that would have reinforced
the view that he did not do anything domestically (which lost him the
election anyway). Britain and France should have recognized that the
U.S. election put the burden on them to take the inititiative, but they
have been unwilling to do so, other than humanitarian relief. 

I don't know what we can expect President Clinton to do. I expect he
will be more decisive with air power if the peace talks are deemed to 
not be able to produce a solution. Paradoxically, it is the reports of
the number of dead in Bosnia that causes the most worry in the U.S. about
whether to get involved or not. We see reports of 100,000 dead and we
don't see a way to guarantee minimal American casualties in terrain
such as exists around Sarajevo. Our not getting involved has nothing
to do with religion. In fact, I get the sense that Americans admired
a city such as Sarajevo before the war because multiple ethnic groups
lived together (and I understand that about 27% of pre-war Bosnia was
of mixed ethnic background). We understand that the Muslims in Bosnia
have (had?) much more tolerance of other religions than in countries
such as Iran.  Vietnam was not actually that long ago for us- some of 
my friends died in that war; all that went came back with emotional 
scars that haven't healed yet.

-Mary Howard  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,talk.bizarre
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:15:27 GMT

jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>The UN in its present form is starkly undemocratic and has the status
>merely of a council of nations where power determines their role in
>its fuctioning.

How the UN should be structured is an interesting question.  Simply
having each country vote is not democratic, as china should be given
more voting power than belgium.  Further, having it by population it
tricky for two reasons.  One, a chinese-indian coalition could do what
ever it wanted.  And two, making the voting dependent on the number of
people in the country is not democratic unless the country is
democratic and the people can set the policy of the country.

I think the best solution might be some compromise, whereby a country
gets X votes, where X is the GNP of the country times the number of
people.


just some thoughts...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:55:25 GMT

minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>In article <dbose.726182145@sirocco.aem.umn.edu>, dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>> 
>>>well my father has one (and only one) thing to say about butros ghali. HARAM
>>>ZADAH!
>> 
>>>zafar
>> 
>> 	WELL, I HAVE TO SAY JUST ONE THING ABOUT YOUR FATHER .
>> 
>> 
>> 		HARAAMZAADE KI   AULAAD !!!!!
>> 

>excuse me! could you please explain yourself?! make it clear and unambiguous.
>i want to know exactly what you mean.

>zafar


	BETE IT MEANS :

		TERA BAAP KA BAAP HARAAMZAADA .


			ab samajh me aaya ???

					


Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1113 soc.culture.arabic:6400 soc.culture.pakistan:19373
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Proposed map of divided Bosnia-Hercegovina
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:03:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

|In Geneva, Owen showed his map to reporters.  Has any print media
|produced a facsimilie of this map?  I'd like to know what the 
|cementhead Boban put his signature to.

|/Joe Blazic

The New York Times, Sunday, Januaray 3, 1993 printed the map.
If you can't get it, I can send you a copy by regular mail

Ana M. Shane
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1157 soc.culture.croatia:346 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10470
From: enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:33:55 GMT

From article <93009.142636U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>, by <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>:
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
> Subject: An article on Bosnia from the Chicago Tribune (from Haluk)
> 
>  This article is written by Leslie H. Gelb.
> 
>    Bush administration officials and Western European
>  leaders also tell us that sending 30,000 U.S. forces to
>  Somalia is acceptable, though "merely humanitarian,"
>  because the task there is "easy."
>    On the other hand, they say that applying more force
>  to stop genocide in Bosnia is "too hard" and will draw
>  us into a quagmire.
> 

	The other day Bush said "Leadership cannot be asserted or
	demanded; it is simply demonstrated". He was bragging about
	the victory(!) he won against Saddam the paper tiger and
	the "peace" operation in Somalia where the US has provided at
	least half of the killing machines people are killing each
	other with.

	He, as well as the West, is miserably failing to demonstrate 
	the same "leadership" he is preaching about when it comes to 
	save innocent Turks/Moslems from  torture, rape, and murder.

	I really wonder if there is a real conspiracy between Serbian 
	murderers and the so called civilized West to wipe out every 
	single Turk/Moslem in Europe.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:22:47 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Rape Becomes "A Weapon of War"

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:25:44 EST


RAPE BECOMES `A WEAPON OF WAR'

bl
c.1993 N.Y. Times News Service

   Among all the stories of atrocity and violence in
Bosnia-Herzogovina are many that tell of an old crime of war: rape.
   The practice, investigators from the European Community have
concluded, is chillingly systematic. Last week, they estimated that
20,000 women had been raped as Bosnian Serb soldiers terrorized
Muslim towns and villages.
   Excerpts from the delegation's preliminary report follow.

   Rape and sexual abuse are neither nationality- nor
gender-restricted issues. Muslim women undoubtedly form the vast
majority of rape victims. However, there are also disturbing
reports of rape of Croat and Serbian women as well as sexual abuse
of men in detention camps.

   ... The general view expressed by interlocutors whom the
delegation considered responsible and credible was that a
horrifying number of Muslim women had suffered rape and that this
was continuing. ... The most reasoned estimates
   ... indicate a figure in the region of 20,000 victims.

   The indications are that at least some of the rapes are being
committed in particularly sadistic ways, so as to inflict maximum
humiliation on the victims. The delegation also received
information strongly suggesting that many women, and more
particularly children, may have died during or after rape.

   It is not possible for the delegation to estimate the number of
Bosnian Muslim women who are pregnant as a result of rape. The
delegation heard suggestions that many of the women concerned are
likely not to wish to keep children conceived in such
circumstances. This inevitably raises the question of adoption, an
issue which will have to be addressed with the best interest of the
child being paramount.

   The delegation frequently heard  including from some individual
witnesses  that a repeated feature of Serbian attacks on Muslim
towns and villages was the use of rape, or the threat of rape, as a
weapon of war to force the population to leave their homes.

   Over all, the delegation accepted the view that rape is part of
a pattern of abuse, usually perpetrated with the conscious
intention of demoralizing and terrorizing communities, driving them
from their home regions and demonstrating the power of the invading
forces. Viewed in this way, rape cannot be seen as incidental to
the main purpose of the aggression but as serving a strategic
purpose in itself.
 NYT-01-11-93 0825EST
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:35:25 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: My Bosnian brothers
Distribution: world

In article <1993Jan11.170533.1002@uoft02.utoledo.edu>,
esuleym@uoft02.utoledo.edu says:
>
>My dear Bosnian brothers and sisters!I feel myself awful because I cannot
>really help you.I'm from Azerbaijan and I know what war is.Let me to express
>you my simpathy.I promise you taht here in US,in University of Toledo we will
>try to organize protest action against weak position of UNO.Sorry,we are not
>able to do much more.But I want you to know that people of Azerbaijan are your
>brothers.Your tears are our tears,your hope is our hope and your victory is
>our
>victory.I understand how difficult is it to believe,but IN$ALLA,the justice
>will win. Elin Suleymanov.
>

Thank you for the kind words, I am Croatian, from Hercegovina (the other
half of Bosnia-Hercegovina) It seems that we have the same problems with
fascists ie Armenians and Serbs. It is interesting that the Armenian and Serbs
flags look alike...

-Cro
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:57:04 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Ratni vic




        Razgovaraju Mujo i Suljo izbjeglice iz Bosne.
        - Jel' Mujo, gdje ces ti kada sve ovo zavrsi? - upita ga Suljo.
        - Pa ja cu u Saraj'vo, bolan, tamo mi je kuca, sva raja, tamo mi je
  sve. - odgovori Mujo i zapita - A gdje ces ti Suljo?
        - Ja cu u Cacak!
        - Kakav Cacak, pa tamo su Cetnici?
        - Pa tamo mi je Televizor, Video, Spavaca soba, Kuhinja....
From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Assassination by Serb gunmen
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

Could someone please explain exactly what happened in Sarajevo today and
why?  All I know is that the deputy prime minister of BiH was dragged
from his car after two Serbian tanks blocked the road from the airport
and shot.  Why was he targeted?  What exactly happened? What has the
reaction been?

*-Nathan-*

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From: pnmideast@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Date: 03 Jan 93 23:07 PST
Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC
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Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1085 soc.culture.arabic:6252 soc.culture.pakistan:19212
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:21:06 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan5.062813.2659@oakhill.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:

>
>Boutros Gahli's attitude towards the incredible human suffering and 
>misery in Bosnia can only be described as supercilious, nonchalant 
>and despicable.  It is hard to find someone with Boutros' level 
>of indifference even among the self-avowed enemies of muslims 
>worldwide.  His appointment to UN chief has been a disgrace and 
>a disaster for the hundreds of brave Bosnians defending their 
>homeland against the bestial Serbian onslaught.

Perhaps Boutros Ghali's position is as you describe it, but don't forget
that as president of the UN he has limited influence. The five
permanent members are the ones who take the decisions the US
in particular. Therefore he shouldn't be the first one to be blamed.

>                                                 I wonder how 
>Mr. Boutros would feel if his relatives were cowering in the 
>freezing winter misery of Sarajevo or if his daughter had been 
>gang-raped to death by Serbians. 

As it happens the Muslim fundamentalists are perpetrating heinous
crimes against Coptic Christians (the sect of Mr. Ghali) in Egypt
so you have the opportunity to ask him how he feels about it.
 
>                                  I can only hope and pray that 
>we muslim nations get our act together and do _something_ even 
>if it means abandoning the good ole' UN umbrella. 
>
>Disgustedly
>fmb
>
>-- 
>Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest 
>relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
>notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
>UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1089 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10406
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Happy as pigs in...
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:33:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch, there is a cartoon editorializing
the recent entente between Serbia and Russia.  It shows two outhouses
lying tipped over, one labelled "Yugoslavia" and the other labelled
"U.S.S.R."  From the pits beneath the outhouses peer two pigs, one
labelled "Serbs" and the other "Commies", looking at each other with
little fluttering hearts of love all around them.

I thought it was terribly rude.

Victor
-- 
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:15:45 GMT

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>well my father has one (and only one) thing to say about butros ghali. HARAM
>ZADAH!

>zafar

	WELL, I HAVE TO SAY JUST ONE THING ABOUT YOUR FATHER .


		HARAAMZAADE KI   AULAAD !!!!!

					


Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1078 soc.culture.arabic:6227 soc.culture.pakistan:19179
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:59:19 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <dbose.726202525@sirocco.aem.umn.edu>, dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <dbose.726182145@sirocco.aem.umn.edu>, dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>>> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>> 
>>>>well my father has one (and only one) thing to say about butros ghali. HARAM
>>>>ZADAH!
>>> 
>>>>zafar
>>> 
>>> 	WELL, I HAVE TO SAY JUST ONE THING ABOUT YOUR FATHER .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 		HARAAMZAADE KI   AULAAD !!!!!
>>> 
> 
>>excuse me! could you please explain yourself?! make it clear and unambiguous.
>>i want to know exactly what you mean.
> 
>>zafar
> 
> 
> 	BETE IT MEANS :
> 
> 		TERA BAAP KA BAAP HARAAMZAADA .
> 
>                                         
> 			ab samajh me aaya ???

main bilkul samajhta hun. but why do you say this? what reason do you have to
insult my father and grand-father?

zafar