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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Oil producers (was Re: How can we help Bosnia)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:14:48 EST
 <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> In article <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>
>>Are you claiming that the west somehow controls the oil producing countries.
>>20 years of very stormy relations give the lie to this statement.  I suppose
>>the oil embargoes of the 70's and the 80's were orchestrated by the west
>>as a cover up, to hide the fact that they were actually in charge.
>>
> 
> 
> 1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>    the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>    actually decreased.

	That's becuase the oil producers could not maintain their artificially
high prices inlight of their inability to cooperate on limiting supply.

> 2: All the major oil producers (especially Muslims) are in the
>    bag of West. Be it Saddam or Fahad.

	Iran?  And Saddam sure has been following the US lead lately. :\

> 3: Why else such a coercion and black mailing to get all on for
>    the alliance in the Gulf war? Those who could not be threatened
>    were actually bribed _ eg. China.

	It was relatively easy to get the rest of the oil producers on the
Arabian peninsula to join the alliance.  They were very obviously the next
target.
	Iran was very happy to see its recent enemy get it with both barrels.

	As far as non-oil countries go (like China), the US had to make sure
that there wouldn't be a veto from China.

Brett                                                      
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,alt.war
Subject: Re: A 'Tedrick' Tragedy And 'Tedrick' Amnesia About Subsequent Shock.
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:23:50 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Aug9.225924.5429@ddsw1.mcs.com>, by hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu):
>>"WW1 can be of no use if it does not bring us Constantinople
^^^^^^
> It could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. 

Some people will not recognize irony if it stares them
in the face.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: The Bigoted "M.G" at Cardif, Wales.
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.154400.10915@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
|> 
|> 
|> I guess the first step to be STRONG AND POWERFULL is to use the oil money
|> to build factories and improve education and not to rely on the west to
|> supply you with everything. 
|> -- 
|> Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
|> NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
|>       Columbia, South Carolina         |      
|> email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |

This is an example of a very logical and realistic thinking that most of you out there
who are pushing unity should consider. Most people just cloud up the network with
bullshit unity based on religions and a very short and unified past that collapsed and
left more problems. The first thing is education and a fresh start based on common
respect for feelings and ways of life and the fact each individual can contribute in
his own way. Unity cannot be imposed, it was tried and failed miserably.

Very well done Nabil, my sons name is also Nebeal.

A.Faris
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3371 soc.culture.lebanon:3839
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: ARABISIM AND ISLAM
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:02:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic

Faris writes about Jaber:

I will embrace you as my brother and comrad to glorify the Arabic culture 
which by the way I am proud off.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
A brother and proud off, of course he is your brother and you are 
proud of him. That is the duity of any Christian of your kind to 
find scums like jaber to attak Islam and the Moslems. 
If you can not find a christian to do the dirty job for you way 
not, find an idiot who think he is a Moslem and beleives 
in arabisim and other rubbish to do the dirty work for you and 
unfortunatly thousands of arabs are misled by your nice talk 
about arabisim and so on. after all that what your MOTHER COUNTRY 
FRANCE did by finding scums like saddam, afleg, Tariq Aziz to 
destroy ISLAM in the name of Arabism
One thing you should know Faris that in ISLAM we do not force anybody to
be a Moslem, but unfortuntly (after all the respect to the christians in
the Moslem countries) they force the Moslems to beleive in anything 
but ISLAM like what the scums afleg and Tariq Aziz did.

M.G.
Cardiff,Wales, U.K.
From: reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:05:07 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: dish.mips.com

In article <1992Aug13.191302.25511@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
>In article <l8jartINN4uv@spim.mips.com> reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy) writes:
>
>>     No, this is quite unnnatural. If you wish to seek compassion for 
>>yourself, you should be able to give an equal amount to others regardless 
>>of your ethnic or religous background. Otherwise, all your sympathy amounts
>>to little more than crocodile tears. 
>
>So do you feel the same when an Israeli gets stabbed or when a
>Palestinian gets shot ?
>
>>T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)
>
>Ridha.

     Yes I do. My feeling when I see the bloody pictures on these occasions is
about how senseless the killing and maiming is, considering that everyone 
there has to live next to each other whether they like it or not. 

-- 
T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Another Bigot Jaber and M G"
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:55:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Aug19.025920.16239@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
> 
> A.Jaber writes:
> 
> If you are so intelligent like the rest of your freinds who are muslim and christians I
> have a sugestion for you. I sugest that you tell our middle eastern leaders to put
> their arms down and let the Isrealiss' take over because the god of Abraham, Jesus, and
> Mohammed has promised that area for the Jews and they will get it sooner or later. So,
> WHY THE HELL ARE WE FIGHTING? Answer this question you idiot!.
> 
> 

Even the most religious Jews wouldn't claim the whole Middle East.
The biblical promise was only for the land South of Phoenecia
and West of the Jordan River.  Some real fanatics like to point
out that King David once ruled Damascus too, but hardly anyone
would try to make a religious case for it.
Many religious Jews figure the Messiah has to come first, so the
current state is considered religiously illegitimate.
It is a matter of timing, of course, one day they too would
make a claim.

Personally, I don't buy religious arguments either, but
lets not go overboard here.


		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Subject: Re: More on Bigotry [Aziz Faris is confused]
Summary: At least one man (A. Jaber) is try to stick to facts! 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:02:28 GMT

In article <3839@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>
>
>	I called you a bigot because of your remarks in the previous post
>	You have not answered the issues raised but rather resorted to
>	evasive tactics, may I ask you now:
>
>	1- How did the Jews Establish Christianity and Islam?
>
>	2- You said all the generals who fought Islamic wars were
>	Christians who were forced to convert where is your references
>	with names and dates?
>
>	3-You said if the Mideast is ruled by Christians it will be
>	more prosperous place, plaese elaborate on this?
>
>	If you do not answer my question fully then I was right to 
>	make you look like MG of Cardiff.
>
>Regards
>
>A Jaber

Once again I see at least one man, Sayed Jaber, attempting to deal with the
issues on a FACTUAL basis.  If others in this discussion would attempt to
approach the subjects being discussed in the same way, the conversation
would be MUCH more productive.

It seems (unfortunately) that many people in the world would rather throw
around rumors and hearsay, instead of facts.  Sayed Jaber is doing much to
avoid such nonsense, and should be congratulated for his constructive
efforts.

Regards,


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3361 soc.culture.indian:28763
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.indian
Subject: India seeks release of 11 Hindus jailed in Emirates
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:16:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IeYekWe00VB=E7Ml04
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Source: The Saudi Gazette
Date:   Thursday, August 13, 1992

INDIA SEEKS RELEASE OF 11 HINDUS JAILED IN EMIRATES

New Delhi, Wed. (AFP)

India is working for the release of 11 Hindu actors who face possible
death sentences after being arrested in the United Arab Emirates (UAE)
for allegedly insulting Islam, a minister said today.
The Indian Embassy was "making every effort" to ensure the release
of the Indians, Minister of State for External Affairs, R.L. Bhatia
told Parliament.

He gave no further details, saying that the matter was "rather sensitive."

The actors, some of whom live in the UAE, staged a play in the UAE emirate
of Sharjah in May which triggered a public furore because of allegations
that the participants had offended Islam and Christianity.

The actors were arrested in June and were to go on trial last week. However,
the case has been adjourned until September.

A Muslim judge in the UAE has warned that the actors could face a
death sentence. No explanation was given of the details of the offending
play whose contents seem to have offended people in high places as well
as some of the public who apparently had seen the play.

*************************************************************

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: The Bigoted "M.G" at Cardif, Wales.
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:44:00 GMT

In article <3790@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>>From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
>>
>
>
>>The best way (and the only way) for the union is THE ISLAMIC UNION 
>>(Atrue Islamic Union) not only between Iraq and Syria but all the 
>>Moslem Countries in the region and then WE WILL BE STRONG AND POWERFULL.
>
>	We will be strong and powerful when we get rid pf all the
>	bogotry and hate you have in your heart if you have a heart.
>
>>M.G
>>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
>
>A Jaber, England, U.K.


I guess the first step to be STRONG AND POWERFULL is to use the oil money
to build factories and improve education and not to rely on the west to
supply you with everything. 
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3320 talk.politics.mideast:18771
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Subject: Re: arabic music lover needs info
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:00:04 GMT

In article <92225.133854U53048@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U53048@uicvm.uic.edu>
wrote:
> 
> ... I once heard a female singer in Cairo (a
>  tape) and apparently she is the most famous Egyptian singer, but I don't know
> her name.  Any information would be much appreciated.
> 

Umm Kulthoum.

Joe
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3355 talk.politics.mideast:18832
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:38:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug17.195626.16284@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>
>		Anti-Arab Bigotry Rampant in U.S. News
>		  By Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon
>			Syndicated columnists
>_________________________________________________________________________
>
>	If a former U.S. secretary of state flatly declares that "you
>can't really believe anything an Arab says," would that be big news?
>	Or are we so accustomed to anti-Arab prejudices that this
>statement by Henry Kissinger - first publicized in the article you are now
>reading - won't be considered newsworthy?
>	Time will tell.
>	We have obtained a tape recording of Kissinger's comment, made two
>months ago at a fund-raising which the New York Times termed an "Israel
>benefit."
...
>	After Peretz introduced Rather - "the moderator, the chairman,
>really, of this evening" - as "my favorite newsman," the CBS anchor took
>turns with Kissinger and Ajami in playing to the prejudices of the
>audience.  The result was fore than 10,000 words of unmitigated praise for
>Israel, along with recurring mockery of Arabs.
>	Rather said that "many of us celebrate" 25 years of Jerusalem
>"united under Israeli rule." ...

    That's what I call "yellow journalism": the authors claim to have
    a 10,000+ word tape containing "recurring mockery of Arabs", 
    yet provide us with a single 7-word quote taken out of context,
    after which they proceed to indict they entire US news media.

    In 1988, I myself heard Bush publicly advocating anti-semitism.
    That's right, during one of his televised campaign speeches
    he stated that he was a strong supporter of "anti-fascism, 
    anti-communism, and anti-semitism".  However, it was obvious from
    the context of his speech that he simply misspoke.  I guess 
    Messrs. Cohen and Solomon were not around to pick up on that
    "story" (or, they were,  but such a story would not fit their 
    agenda).

>(Copyright, 1992, Creators Syndicate Inc.) 

                  "Creative Syndicate Inc.". would be a better name.


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From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: M.G at Cardif spaeks for the Iraqi opposition.
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")

"M.G" The speaker of the Iraqi opposition on USENET says:

>and it is known that most of the christian in the
>Middle East DO NOT CARE LESS about the Country they live in. The majority
>of the christian in Iraq and Syria consider France is their mother Country
>and the Moslems had enough RUBBISH of ARABISIM and NATTIONALISIM.
>M.G
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
	
	I say:
	
	I used to think Saddam was a brute until I heard the above
	statement from the Bigot "M.G" who claims to be an Iraqi
	opposition.

	If this is what your opposition all about then you got Saddam
	and you deserve him well.

A Jaber, England, U.K.
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: The Bigoted "M.G" at Cardif, Wales.
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:43:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.041715.20286@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.154400.10915@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>|> 
>|> 
>|> I guess the first step to be STRONG AND POWERFULL is to use the oil money
>|> to build factories and improve education and not to rely on the west to
>|> supply you with everything. 
>|> -- 
>|> Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
>|> NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
>|>       Columbia, South Carolina         |      
>|> email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
>
>This is an example of a very logical and realistic thinking that most of you out there
>who are pushing unity should consider. Most people just cloud up the network with
>bullshit unity based on religions and a very short and unified past that collapsed and
>left more problems. The first thing is education and a fresh start based on common
>respect for feelings and ways of life and the fact each individual can contribute in
>his own way. Unity cannot be imposed, it was tried and failed miserably.
>
>Very well done Nabil, my sons name is also Nebeal.
>
>A.Faris


Thanks a lot Mr. Faris and salamat.
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The ADC
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:33:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <MERIGH.92Aug18114546@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh) writes:
>
>
>	I find it really useless for an organization to defend an
>	ethnic/racial/linguistic/geographical (or whatever
>	that defines Arabs) group when the image that most of the
>	world has of the group is the image of their leaders.
>	Has the ADC, in anyway, done anything to distance itself
>	from defending that image?  Why isn't the ADC famous, for 
>	instance, for a pro-democracy stand for the Middle-East?
>	I may simply be unaware of all of its activities,
>	but when I hear about the ADC, it is always whining
>	that somebody has said or done something bad about Arabs.
>	Why isn't it making an effort to improve the image of
>	the "Arab"?
>
>Moh&

As I understand it the main purpose of ADC is to fight prejudice, slander,
and misrepresentations of Arab-Americans.  I don't think they've gone out
of their way to defend unpopular leaders of Arab states, and furthermore,
what right does anyone have to dictate govermental structure to those in
other countries?  Democracy works for us here, and with our culture--that
doesn't mean we can just shove this concept down everyone else's throat.


y

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University of Maryland    "Yeeehaaa!" - Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove"   
College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The ADC
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:18:36 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <MERIGH.92Aug18114546@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh) writes:

>	I find it really useless for an organization to defend an
>	ethnic/racial/linguistic/geographical (or whatever
>	that defines Arabs) group when the image that most of the
>	world has of the group is the image of their leaders.
>	Has the ADC, in anyway, done anything to distance itself
>	from defending that image?  Why isn't the ADC famous, for 
>	instance, for a pro-democracy stand for the Middle-East?
>	I may simply be unaware of all of its activities,
>	but when I hear about the ADC, it is always whining
>	that somebody has said or done something bad about Arabs.
>	Why isn't it making an effort to improve the image of
>	the "Arab"?

By its own title, and from what I've seen of its literature
(including its delightful and saddening publication,
``The Arab Image in Film''), it seems to see its raison d'etre
as simply pointing out anti-Arab biases.  Perhaps the hope
is that if people think of Arabs less in stereotypical or
caricaturical terms (terrorist, fanatic, etc.) and more
like normal people (want to be left alone to raise family,
etc.) then that will be a big help.

So that raises the question for all you people ( :-} ) out
there: what *can* Arab interest groups in the US do to help
the average American's perception of Arabs and the Arab World?

>
>Moh&

Did you write this in the background?  :-}

--
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Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:54:03 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Answering Mr. Nabil



When the U.S. conquered Germany and Japan in WWII, the first thing
it did was allow free trade union activity, and soon afterwards,
free political activity. In not doing the same in Kuwait, the US
has missed an opportunity to have been the cause of the region's
first democracy. Big mistake, in my opinion.

-arun gupta
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3343 soc.culture.turkish:9093 soc.culture.iranian:7250
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Oil producers (was Re: How can we help Bosnia)
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:02:55 GMT
	<12AUG199208464907@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>
	<l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>
	<1992Aug18.141449.3574@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug18.141449.3574@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

 @In article <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
 @> In article <1075@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
 @>>
 @> 1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
 @>    the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
 @>    actually decreased.
 @
 @	  That's becuase the oil producers could not maintain their artificially
 @high prices inlight of their inability to cooperate on limiting supply.

That's a dishonest statement by you when you know that the Saudi production
is determined by the US government!
   
 - Farzin