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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Re: Rose is Rose ?
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
	<1993Jan18.004021.4694@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <107483@bu.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:50:03 GMT

The fascinating thing to me about RiR is that unlike say Calvin and
Hobbes or Dilbert, where it took me about half of one strip to be
instantly converted, RiR took about a year or so to really win me
over.  Everyone seems to agree that the art is fabulous.  On Sunday,
the Boston Globe usually runs it on the same page as Berke Breathed's
ghastly "Outland" with its pathetic attempts at artsy camera angles
and "sophisticated" humor.  The contrast is stunning.  

And don't let it be said that Pat Brady doesn't have a flair for
bizarre humor.  I'll never forget Jimbo's quest to meet "the elusive
Nemo Jitters, author of 'Mr. Goony'" (which is Jimbo's favorite comic
strip).  During that run Brady had a lot of fun at the expense of
comics fans.  Similar themes were mined in the run about Jimbo's
*least* favorite comic strip, "The Little Zoomer" (many readers took
Brady's comment about "if you don't like it, don't read it" as a swipe
at "hip" comics fans who didn't like RiR).  I've also laughed out loud
at Jimbo and Rose's various attempts to irritate each other, such as
Rose tucking her hair behind her ears or Jimbo painting eyeballs on
his eyelids so he wouldn't have to see Rose with the hated hairstyle.

I've also liked Brady's little bits of "zen" humor, like when Rose was
reflecting that she needed to learn to be a bit more selfish and place
her needs above others sometimes.  Clem suddenly appears and Rose
thinks "When the student is ready, the master will appear".  Brady
also excells at what I can only describe as vaguely "trippy" humor,
such as when Rose or Jimbo revert to childhood or Rose's limbs become
extended and rubbery when she plays on a child's swing.  

The only thing in the strip that consistently irritates me is
Pasquale's guardian angel.  I don't mind Brady's other "spiritual"
strips, since Brady never really plays them up as anything but vanilla
Christians and *certainly* doesn't use the strip to put forth his
spiritual views (nothing so offensive as Bil Keane's recent "God loves
ALL babies" fiasco).  

Brady's art just keeps getting better and better.  Are there any other
old time strip fans who see a lot of Cliff Sterett (Polly and Her
Pals) in Brady's style?

- Dan
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From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: hagar the H.
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:55:06 GMT
	<1993Jan21.021835.12969@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
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In-reply-to: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 16:55:35 GMT


One point that always confused me about Hagar: If he's supposed to be
this big, gross, ferocious, loutish and generally-suffering-from-
testosterone-poisoning viking, why is he given a woman's name?
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From: an4140@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Judge Parker/Mark Trail
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.comics.strips
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:12:41 GMT


What is the mysterious "tragedy" that keeps Sam Driver from marrying
Abbey Spencer?  It's occasionally alluded to in the strip, but I haven't
read it long enough to have any background. 

Also, did anyone notice that in the previous story line in Mark Trail,
the tough crone/heroine was named ....   Abby Spencer?!
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From: hathaway@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: hagar the H.
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:57:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.021835.12969@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:
.. 
> 
> My all-time favorite Hagar strip:
> 
> 	"But
> 	I'm sure not as old as I'm *going* to be."
>
.. 
> 
> 		-- Stewart "sniff  :-(" Tame
> 
.. 

YeS!! - I cut this one out years ago and it is still in one of my journal 
notebooks.  It may have been one of the strips that got me into the clipping 
jag.  Now I have a six foot stack of daily strips on my front porch...  

BTW, there is a Hagar of the same vintage in the National Air and Space 
Museum.  In the "Stars" exhibit, in the corner display of the orbiting 
observatory "International Ultraviolet Explorer" telescope control console 
there is a photocopy stuck on one of the machines of H and Eddie musing about 
the night sky - Hagar says "Boy all those stars sure make you think!"  
- pause panel - last panel, L.E.:  "About what?"  
When the NASM people came to the control center to set up the exhibit, they 
copied all the notes, stickers, and papers we had stuck up there over 
the years.  Also BTW, last I checked the IUE was _still_ observing away - 
15 years from launch next Tuesday.  But in a museum exhibit yet - talk 
about feeling age. 

Wm. Hathaway - new sig. follows 

"There are times when I think that Mr. (Alan) Clark (a former member 
of Parliament and defense minister) is the only good argument against
inherited wealth, as it is that which gives this particular unemployed 
ex-MP the time to devote to his historical researches and his subsequent 
verbal venting of them through his least useful orifice." 
- Dominic Lawson, editor of the (British) weekly Spectator.
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Subject: Re: verboard
From: KJDRYSDA@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:56:31 PST
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

It is carried by the Toronto Globe and Mail (Canada's national paper) and also
by the Vancouver Sun. The Sun did a survey of some new strips and Overboard was
selected as the number one choice to include.
 
A day without Overboard is like a day without...
 
Regards,
Ken Drysdale               (604) 389-3178
VM Group - W139 1PL        KJDRYSDA@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
 
Regards,
Ken Drysdale               (604) 389-3178
VM Group - W139 1PL        KJDRYSDA@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Re: Overboard
Keywords: Overboard, Chip Dunham, Funny
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:31:56 GMT

In article <1jm8v7INNfjq@news.cerf.net>, oper@nic.cerf.net (Operator) writes:
> Does anyone else have a strip called "Overboard" by Chip
> Dunham in their papers? It started here in the San Diego
> Union-Tribune about 6 months or so ago.  And as far as I 
> can tell Chip Dunham is a comic genius.  Which seems
> sort of strange because the strip seems to be missing
> everything a good strip might find handy; like, for
> example, characters that are distinguishable from
> one another.  
> 	So to recap-- Overboard.  Chip Dunham. Bad Artwork.
> Boring, unoriginal format.  Funniest strip on the planet.
> 	So does anyone know anything about this strip, or
> about Chip "Master of off-panel space" Dunham?
> 

  I have been aware of the comic for quite a while.  My mom's paper carries it,
sowhen I visit it is one of the joys I look foreward to.  There are two books
out that have collections of the "Overboard" comics.  One is named "Overboard"
I don't know what the name of the second book is.

  I agree with you- it is very funny.

					Fippster 6
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From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin)
Subject: Pluggers
Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:16:33 GMT

Would someone please explain this thing to me? What is Jeff MacNelly 
doing with this thing? He should stick to Shoe and Dave Barry if he's
gonna put out this obscene thing every day. 

Adam "Relieved that snowmen are back in C&H" Levin

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Duke's Capture [was: Doonesbury-Joanie and Zoe]
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:34:51 GMT

>acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) asks:
>   Trivia time here:
>   Is this the first time Gary Trudeau has ever gotten "burned" on
>   a strip - i.e. did strips based on what he thought would occur,
>   but got it wrong?

In article <NICHAEL.93Jan25135903@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
>The best example I know of occurred during Iranian hostage crisis:

>In "Doonesbury" there was a longish series of strips in which Duke was
>facing a firing squad and was arguing/negotiating with the firing
>squad for his own release.

>Anyway, mid-way through this series the embassy fell and suddenly the
>whole idea got a lot less funny _real_ quick.  They cut away to
>another story-line and Duke dropped out of sight until his release
>with the other hostages in Jan of 1980.


But, in my opinion, what was funny was what was revealed during Duke's
debriefing in the hospital.  He admitting telling the Iranians
(paraphrased):

"If you *really* want to get the Americans' attention, why don't you
take over their embassy?"

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Subject: Strips:  The abridged version
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:26:54 GMT

Anyone else notice that the newspaper Strips, which reprints a week's
worth of dailies of many comics, has cut back from 40 pages to 32?

I'm sure they saw this as a sensible economic move, but I'm miffed -
this wasn't what I paid for.
 
  
-- 
Carol Springs                      carols@world.std.com
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From: atdhb@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Prince Valiant
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:17:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.183224.15231@fuug.fi>, an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:
> Any other fans of this long-running strip?  I've just started reading
> Prince Valiant, and I enjoy it quite a lot.


I've been reading it since the twins were little--maybe before; I
can't remember when I started looking forward to the Sunday
paper.  Sometimes I almost give up on it, then along comes an
intriguing story line and I'm rehooked.  Ya just gotta love those
wonderful years we now call the Dark Ages...

Don
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Overboard
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:08:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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oper@nic.cerf.net (Operator) writes:
>Does anyone else have a strip called "Overboard" by Chip
>Dunham in their papers? It started here in the San Diego
>Union-Tribune about 6 months or so ago.  And as far as I 
>can tell Chip Dunham is a comic genius.  Which seems
>sort of strange because the strip seems to be missing
>everything a good strip might find handy; like, for
>example, characters that are distinguishable from
>one another.  
>	It is set on a pirate ship and so naturally
>features(I apologize in advance for my lack of restraint
>in using the following phrase) madcap mariners and their
>hilarious highjinx on the high seas.  It's a 3/4 panel 
>strip which ALWAYS uses a format of set-up,set-up,punch-
>line. [... remainder omitted]

Yes, Overboard is very funny, even to someone like me who
is an American-of-Pirate-Descent.  I keep intending
to send a mock-incensed letter to the San Jose Mercury News
complaining about how the strip defames we Pirate-Americans.
(William Langdell was a privateer licensed by the Continental
Congress during the Revolutionary War.)

You noted the set-up,set-up,punchline structure.  What impresses
me is that the punchline is consistently more extreme than
I expect--whatever I imagined was the worst that could happen
after the set-up isn't as horrible as the punchline scene.

A favorite strip, now on my office door, goes like this:

Panel 1:  Nate to two other pirates on deck, "I'm probably going to 
          need a little help with those punk-looking sharks down 
          there after lunch, guys."

          Shorter pirate:  "Cool."

Panel 2:  Nate walks away.

Panel 3:  Shorter pirate:  "Ready for the longest lunch in the
          history of the planet?"


--James Langdell      jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems    Mountain View, Calif.
From: afrolik@ub.d.umn.edu (Ed Olczyk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Fox Trot
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:11:23 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.223057.7815@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sie_0180@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Bruce Rechichar) writes:
>Hello, out there!  Does anyone like the Drabble and Fox Trot strips
{Lines deleted}

Good God yes.  Fox Trot has got to be one of the best strips I have ever
read.  I have the 2 big books and can't wait to get my hands on more.  It's
the very first thing I look for in the paper everyday.  I am glad to hear
there are more fans.


-- 
Tony Frolik                                        afrolik@ua.d.umn.edu
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From: monitn@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Doonesbury-Joanie and Zoe
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:51:21 GMT

So, what do Doonesbury readers think of the news revelations vs. the current
plotline? A posting in clari.news.entertain mentioned her withdrawl and the
fact that strips won't be updated until next Friday (quicker than I'd expected
actually). And can anyone get their hands on the original strips which will be
replaced? :) 

Nick
monitn@rpi.edu

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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Overboard
Keywords: Overboard, Chip Dunham, Funny
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:50:42 GMT

In article <1jm8v7INNfjq@news.cerf.net> oper@nic.cerf.net (Operator) writes:
>Does anyone else have a strip called "Overboard" by Chip
>Dunham in their papers? It started here in the San Diego
>Union-Tribune about 6 months or so ago.  And as far as I 
>can tell Chip Dunham is a comic genius.  Which seems
>sort of strange because the strip seems to be missing
>everything a good strip might find handy; like, for
>example, characters that are distinguishable from
>one another.  

Yeah, it runs in the Detroit Free Press and has for a while.  When the
strip started, they gave it a big buildup and had an interview with the
artist and everything because apparently he lives in Michigan or something
like that.  I was prepared to hate it, paper showing favoritism to local
talent and all that, but somehow the strip slipped in under my guard and
now it's one of the ones I look forward to.  There's a book collection
available but I haven't gotten around to buying it yet.

		-- Stewart "actually you *can* tell the characters apart
				if you squint" Tame

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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Doonesbury-Joanie and Zoe
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:44:22 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond


Trivia time here:
Is this the first time Gary Trudeau has ever gotten "burned" on
a strip - i.e. did strips based on what he thought would occur,
but got it wrong? 


-- 
We need not fear those who do evil in the name of evil, but Heaven
protect us from those who do evil in the name of good.
Arthur C. Adams acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil            	<fnord>
No, I'm not the Arthur Adams who draws comic books. Don't even ask.
From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Doonesbury-Joanie and Zoe
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:28:51 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <C1H01J.Mqt@world.std.com> pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:
>mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein) writes:
>
>
>The jokes about the ink spilling onto the comics strips were commenting on the
>Exxon Valdiz spill.

It's possible, but I definitely do remember an article in the newspaper
saying that the Tianamen Square strips were pulled because of the
massacre. I remember seeing one of the pulled strips -- the government
clears the square by handing out bluebooks and forcing the students to
take midterms. I also remember the article quoting Trudeau about the
strips, explaining that the replacement was to serve as a reminder that
odd things sometimes happen in his business.



-- 
Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
590 Commonwealth Ave.                         (617) 353-9437 (o)
Boston, MA 02215                              (617) 735-9433 (h)
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Overboard again
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	When I first saw Overboard my initial reaction was "Jeeez..what a lame
strip!"  Then I found myself looking forward to each day's episode, pleased
that it wasn't just to see how really awful a strip can get.  Now it ranks up
there with C & H and Foxtrot on my must read list.  My son and I read it every
morning when I pick up the paper.  His teachers and my students must wonder
whether we've forgotten to take our medicine, unaware that it is we, not they,
who've been inoculated against reality!

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
Philippi, WV      *                             
                  *         
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From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (White)
Subject: Zoe ??  How about Moe ?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:32:03 EST

Hmm, I always pronounced it Zo like Moe is pronounced "Mo"
Brian
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,ne.general
Subject: Re: RI Comic Strips
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:18:15 GMT
Organization: The Other Side of Life
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <REPAYNE.93Jan19042510@mothra.syr.EDU> repayne@mothra.syr.EDU (Rob) writes:
> I was in Rhode Island a couple of summers ago and saw some of the
> funniest comics I have ever read.  They were in the form of books and
> had a lot of local humor in them, but struck me as very funny.  I was
> wondering if anyone knows what I am talking about.  The books were the
> style of _The_Far_Side_.  If you could email me the titles of the
> books of which I am speaking, and the cartoonists name, I would
> appreciate it very much.  Publishing house would be nice too as I
> don't know if they would be sold in stores outside of the New England
> area.  Thank you very much.

Are you thinking of the "Quahog" books by Don Bousqet?  
"I Brake For Quahogs"
"The Quahog Among Us"
"The Quahog Trilogy"
and so forth?

If so, buy them!  They are hilarious, especially if you are a 
Rhode Islander.  And even if you are not, they're still worth a
lot of laughs.  Unfortunately, I don't know the publishing
company, but if you can find a copy of Books In Print, hopefully
you can locate them, especially if you can do an on-line search;
I can't imagine that "Quahog" is in many book titles. :-)

-- 
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rlcarr@animato.network23.com
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From: rgm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Menke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Overboard
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:31:11
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In-reply-to: stame@emunix.emich.edu's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:50:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.165042.13232@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:

   There's a book collection available but I haven't gotten around to
   buying it yet.

Actually, there are two.  One is called "Overboard," the other is
"Abandon Ship!"
--
"When you're serious about having	|  Robert Menke
 fun, it's not much fun at all!"	|    rgm@cory.berkeley.edu
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From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Prince Valiant
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:44:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.183224.15231@fuug.fi> an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Any other fans of this long-running strip?  I've just started reading
>Prince Valiant, and I enjoy it quite a lot.

Yes, there are quite a few Prince Valiant fans out here. Most of us
no longer feel the need to hide our identites behind an anonymous
posting gateway. It is OK now. You can come out of the closet.
-- 
Donald R. Newcomb                * Oh please, Mr. Clinton, won't
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * you please just tax that other
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * guy and send his money to me?
From: dnwangus@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Dave Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Shary Flennikan/Joe Schenkman/edgar argo?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 09:24:02 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada


Does anyone know of any collections of any of the
artists mentioned in the subject line?  I've enjoyed
Flennikan's and Schenkman's stuff (apologies for 
probably misspelling their names) in the National
Lampoon, and I figure there's gotta be more out 
there somewhere.  I realize they aren't strictly
comic strips, but this seems like a slightly more
appropriate froup to post in then those infested 
with superhero fans.  

edgar argo only seems to do single panels, from
what I've seen, and I've only seen 'em in "Plant"
(a "controlled circulation" paper full of ads for
things you need to furnish factories), and in
"Outlaw Biker".  The ones in Plant were pretty 
bland, but those in OB were seriously twisted in
an alt.tasteless way.  I need more.

BTW, is The National Lampoon dead?  I haven't seen
it on a newstand for months.  It wasn't the same 
since they bowdlerized the photo funnies, but as
the spawning-place of John Hughes and P.J. O'Rourke
it deserved some respect.


--
Dave Angus                                   "Kundalini wants his hand back"