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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Rogue Mac Plusses Take Lab Hostage!
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:02:14 GMT

While reading article <1992Oct9.165118.29658@nntp.uoregon.edu>, I noticed that
JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt) said the following:
 >TRASH GATEKEEPER AID! That is your problem. I ran into the same problem in
 >a lab I used to manage. It is NOT compatible with System 7!

Uh, Gatekeeper Aid is quite compatible with System 7, unless you're using an
absolutely ancient version.  Make sure that you're running Gatekeeper (if you
use it) and Gatekeeper Aid from the Gatekeeper 1.2.6 package and you won't
have any problems; as a matter of fact, Gatekeeper + Aid have worked with
System 7 since at least package version 1.2.3...

 >Jay Brandt
 >Servicing & supporting the Mac since it was introduced in
 >1984!

Then you should know better than to say things like "Gatekeeper Aid doesn't
work with System 7."  That's kind of like saying "Microsoft Word 4 doesn't work
with Quadras with caches enabled" -- you just have to make sure what you're
using is at least reasonably up-to-date.
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From: pi07+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul L Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PB 100's???
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:19:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4erMk5G00WBNE229AN
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Can you still buy these machines? What seems to be the going prices? Any
addresses of companies selling these machines; prices others have paid;
and general input on the machines performance etc. would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanx in advance
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain)
Subject: Re: System 7.0 eats up 14M of memory!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:57:48 GMT

I also have a IIci w/20meg of memory, and my system file took 15.5 meg of  
that, before I thought about turning on 32-bit addressing. I had quite a  
few inits+cdevs, but 15.5? that's ridiculous. I run with 32-bit addressing  
turned on full-time now, and my system "only" takes about 2 megs of ram.
That's with enough inits and cdevs run run all the way accross the bottom  
of my screen at startup (16" monitor, no less).

I, too, am curious about WHY this happens. Any info would be greatly  
appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: abj@ida.liu.se (Andreas Bjorklind)
Subject: Re: PB100 battery power
Organization: Dept. of CIS, Linkoping University, Sweden
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:58:34 GMT

I have the same problem with one battery (ie it just recharge up to
6/8th of full capacity). I asked the technician where I bought my
PB100 and battries, and he just told me to hand in the faulty battery
and will get me a new one. He said he personally knew of at leat one
more identical fault (during the last weeks).

Not much help, but I recommend you to turn in the faulty battery and
get a new one.

Best,
/andreas

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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: memory & hd upgrade for pb100
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <5390@gold.gvg.tek.com> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.013620.27320@informix.com> todd@crayola (Todd Katz) writes:
> >I'm planning to upgrade my new PB100 to 6 meg. and an 80 or 
> >120 meg. HD. I'd appreciate a reposting of any suggestions
> >about the safest and most effective way to go about the
> >operation. What tools are needed, any gotcha's to watch out
> >for, etc.
> 
> I don't know about the tools needed for this procedure, but the PB100 is
> somewhat fragile if you open it up.  I mail-ordered a 6 meg RAM card for
> my PB100, and it cost me $29 to have it installed by an official Mac
> service center.  Yes, it only took them about ten minutes to do the job
> -- that's quite a markup.  However, if you open up your PB100 and try to
> install the RAM yourself, you void the warrantee.  Several people on the
> net have told stories about their PB100's being zapped while installing
> RAM (one of the fellows was doing it himself, so I guess he's SOL).  I
> assume you can return the damaged PB100 to Apple for non-warrantee
> servicing (read:  $$$), but I can't risk having to spend that kind of
> money -- can you?

I agree that if you have any hesitation, don't attempt the upgrade
yourself.

BUT if you are somewhat handy it really is quite easy.  I bought a
2M upgrde from LLB company.  They included a simple photocopied sheet
detailing each step in the installation process.  If followed each
step and found it very easy to do.

Installed memory on a PB100 was much easier than installing it on say
a Mac SE or Mac Plus (I've done these before).  

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: So, what do we think of the Performa 600?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:

>What gets me is that they didn't even think to question their results.
>They just blindly accepted them without even mentioning that there might
>be something funny going on.

    This is something that I couldn't agree with more. We can only hope
that someone will do a comparison after the release, and that they
install 7.1 on the IIci (and the IIsi if they use one), like it is
installed on the P600.

>They also used outrageous prices for the IIci when comparing it to the
>P600.  It looks like they were comparing an out-of-date *list* price for
>the IIci to an expected *street* price for the P600.  $3999 for a IIci
>5/80?  You can get one for about half that!

    Well, I wouldn't know about that since I am fortunate enough to only
have to deal with Educational prices for the Macs that I purchase. ;->

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:19:32 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert) writes:

>After talking with our campus Apple Rep., it sounds like the Performa are
>not only "repackaged" but to some extent they are down graded machines.
>This down grade shows mostly in the monitors. Where the current 13" monitor
>is a 3 gun system the Performa monitor is 1 gun. Ultimately the graphics
>and colors will suffer.

    Well, since I have no idea what 3 gun vs. 1 gun has to do with
monitors, I will only say that there are 2 Performa monitors. The
Performa Display and the Performa Display Plus. Neither of them is a
Trinitron, like the current Apple 13", so lower quality color is to be
expected, but the PD Plus does come pretty close in dot pitch.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted: SCSI Ethernet Adaptors
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:25:33 GMT

David Anstine (anstine@nomad.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: I remember seeing lots of complaints about SCSI ethernet adaptors on the
: net awhile back. We're buying more and more Powerbooks here, what is the
: consensus on these products now? Has Asante worked things out?
: 
The company I work for makes EtherNet SCSI adaptors as well (FOCUS
Enhancements).  We have a fair amount of customers that have migrated from
the Asante product.  The only achille's heel for ours seems to be that it
isn't always compatible with acclerated Macs.  It also makes use of a
single 25-pin SCSI interface, with internal termination, so it's required
to be at the end of the SCSI chain.

Other than that, the performance is quite respectable.  On faster ('030)
Macs, one can reasonably expect the device to perform fairly close to what
an internal card would.  While older or slower (68000) Macs won't see
close-to-Ethernet-limit speeds, their users will see a distinct
performance advantage (several times what LocalTalk can do).  Our boxes
(the EtherLAN SC) are also covered by a 30-day "Love it or Return It" policy.

If you're interested in getting further info, let me know by email, or
call me.

Peter A. Cohen
FOCUS Tech Support
(800) 647-7744
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: Tape Drives
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:48:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.170358.13362@mdd.comm.mot.com> jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle) writes:
>
>Mounting a tape on the desktop is definitely not unacceptable way of doing
>things. The first time you try it, you'll understand why. It really slows
>down your system since the Mac makes frequent accesses for file information,
>such as when it redraws the Finder desktop. The slowness of the tape causes
>this to be excrutiating slow. So, most of the tape handling software simply
>talks through the SCSI manager directly to the tape controller.

Nuts. That should have read:  Mounting a tape on the desktop is 
definitely not an acceptable way of doing things...

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From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Woz in apple ad?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:08:04 GMT
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <17990014@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten) writes:
>>	I was just looking through some issues of MacWorld magazine and
>>I ran across an interesting Powerbook ad.  If you have access to the
>>July 92 issue (the one with the Quadra 950 on the cover) look at the
>>apple ad on page 88.  Is that Steve Wozniak (sp?) holding a powerbook? -
>>it sure looks like him!
>>
>
>Yes, and that is his real son sitting next to him.  Around the South
>Bay, we were treated to billboard-size renditions...

There was at least one billboard in downtown Chicago, too.  I almost crashed
my car when I saw it. ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: b78261@venus.cap.mmc.com (Kevin Brislin)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Oubound Macs
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.232731.20236@research.nj.nec.com>, gll@syl (Gary Lindgren) writes:
> 
> I've been using a Outbound Mac laptop for about 7 months. Overall, I'm very
> please with it and I've been pleased with the support I've recieved from
> Outbound's technical support.  The one area I am very interested in getting
> feedback on is using the Mac on a network.  I'd like to be able to use the
> machine on the network to make moving files between my desktop Mac and my
> laptop easier.  I've tried Outbounds SCSI eliminator and, frankly, it just
> doesn't work.  I've never been able to make it work!  I'd like to be able to
> connect the Outbound to one of our Asante boxes that allows the laptops to
> connect to Ethertalk on the SCSI port.  Unfortunately, the Outbound doesn't
> have a SCSI port!  I've tried many things, buhave note been able to make it
> work.
> 
> I'd apprieciate any comments people about the Outbound and any suggestions
> on how I might be able to use it on a network.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Gary Lindgren
> 
> 
I have to disagree. The SCSI eliminator *does* work and quite well. I've used
it to load software from SE's and SE/30's to my Outbound 2030 with no problems.
What model of Outbound do you have that you don't have a SCSI port? I've got
one and it works fine with any external drive I've connected to it. Also, I've
connected my Outbound to our network and its implementation was flawless. I'd
call Tech Support again to find out why your SCSI eliminator is not working.
Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,misc.wanted,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rpadawer@utkvx2.utk.edu (Padawer, Justin Randall)
Subject: Looking for an old Mac Plus @ $250
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:06:00 GMT

I'm looking for a usable, older Mac Plus.  Will pay $250
plus shipping.  Please email RPADAWER@UTKVX.UTK.EDU or
telephone me at (615) 637-7263.
Thanks, 
Randy

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From: aj293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith C. Sykora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Wanted: component level fix for 512 analog board
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:55:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith C. Sykora)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Symptoms are dancing horizontal white lines.  They sort of dart up
and down the screen.  There are lots of them.  The condition is sporadic.
It comes and it goes.

I wasn't able to find anything that looked like my problem in Larry Pina's
"The Dead Mac Scrolls".  Unfortunately, I don't have Pina's earlier work.

Any help in diagnosis to the component level would be much appreciated.
I was able to repair an earlier problem on my 128 with help from the net
and so I'm no longer quite so terrified of the idea of board level repair
and I have Soft Solutions address and phone number so I know where to obtain
parts.  Please reply via email.
From: babcock@cayman.com (Bill Babcock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Cayman Systems. Inc announces E-Card FireSale
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:50:59 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:50:01 GMT

10/15/92        ((SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY))

Cayman Systems is offering you the opportunity to
purchase one of the most highly rated Ethernet cards
at Fire Sale pricing:

For a limited time, $99 per card with the 90 day
warranty ($175 with coprocessor).

Models available: (SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY)

E/II        - Thick or Thin connection for Mac ]['s 
              (or si's with a Nubuss card).

E/si        - for the si, Thick or Thin connection.

E/si-MC     - for the si, Thick or Thin connection
              with a coprocessor.

E/si-T      - for the si with a 10baseT connection.

E/si-T-MC   - for the si with a 10baseT connection
              and a coprocessor.

E/30        - for the SE30, Thick or Thin.

E/30-T      - for the SE30 with a 10baseT connection.

For more information, contact:

sales@cayman.com
AppleLink: CAYMAN.SALES

or call (617)494-1999 and ask for you regional representative.
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Quicklink Fax Modem
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:47:54 GMT
Organization: Mount Holyoke College


Is anyone out there using a Quicktel (xeba) modem??
I have a 24, 96 s/r fax modem.  Hate it hate it hate it.
It's giving me tons of problems.... Very often, my keyboard
seems to get screwed up - what I type will not appear on
the screen.. instead I get junk.  (Is this a timing problem?)
And this seems to happen when the modem gets wamred up...
Also, sometimes I get logged out automatically... But this
is not a big a problem as the first one I described.

I often have to log out and log in again when the modem
gets screwed up.  It's driving me nuts.  I tried calling the
company that makes the modem (Logicode Technology) but it 
seems like their number has changed...

By the way, has anyone ever gotten this modem to send/receive
fax?  I've experimented with it for a quite a while... no luck.

Thanks,
Germain.
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.194637.314@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) wrote:

>>     You're right, it does make a bit of sense, since every other low
>> cost that apple has dropped an '030 into had only a 16bit bus (Classic
>> II, and LC II).

>What about the IIsi?

    When the IIsi was released, it cost somewhere in the area of $4000,
and that is educational discount. I don't think this can be considered
low cost. Sure it was cheaper than the IIci, but back then, that wasn't
saying a whole lot.

>> I would have probably believed you too, if I hadn't seen
>> 3 different overhead views of the P600's motherboard. All of them looked
>> identical and all of them had 1 bank of 4 SIMM slots, ie. a 32bit bus.

>How about two banks of two--as in the Plus and SE?  I don't know which it
>has, but four slots together do not necessarily mean one bank of four.

    Well, this is certainly a possibilty, but based on the way it
looked, it appeared to be to be one bank. It also appeared to be one
bank to MacUser, MacWorld, and MacWEEK.

>>     One interesting thing to note: this week MacWEEK released the retail
>> prices for the Apple lineup as it will be next Monday, and the IIvi is
>> not on the list. Apparantly those rumors about the IIvi being sold only
>> overseas was correct.

>Or, considering that the rumors apparently came from MacWEEK, the magazine
>may still be wrong.  We'll all find out in a few days--assuming that the
>date is right.

    There was more than one source for this rumor, but you're right, we
will certainly know by Monday.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: keradwc@news.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Connery)
Subject: Re: Mac Models comparisons?
Organization: Sneakernet West, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:57:36 GMT

If anyone HAS such a table, I, too, would be interested. I've been trying to
put one together, but every time there's a new generation of machines, the
magazines change their benchmarking tests and change the baseline.

How about the way it was (is?) done in the 80x86 market: number of times
faster than the original. In their case it was their 4.77 8088; for the
Mac, either the 512K or the Plus -- or the 128, if there are any available
to baseline.
 
(Yes, I know the OS makes a difference. SOMETHING is better than nothing.)

kdc
  kconnery@isi.com


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: robb@mentorg.com (Rob Bartel)
Subject: Re: Opening PB External Floppy
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:11:48 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Well, thanks to some fine person who posted the way to do this I was able
to open the drive. The upper read head is torn completely away from its
mounting, and the little plastic lever that opens the shutter is broken.

I asked my kids about it and they said that a friend of theirs (it really
was, they wouldn't do this) had jammed the disk back in as it was being
ejected. Sigh.

Anybody got any good ideas what to do with this piece of equipment? Want to
trade some of your junk for some of mine?

Rob Bartel (robb@mentorg.com) wrote:
: Anyone know how to open the external floppy from the PB 100? I think mine
: has a mechanical problem caused by a child that got a little aggessive with
: it, and it definitely isn't worth paying $376(!!!) for the repair.
: 
: What an incredible gouge... That is the price I was quoted from 1-800-SOS-APPL
: 
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From: ssbc+@andrew.cmu.edu (Samuel O. Swett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: DayStar PowercacheDDD
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:57:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gerhVpC00Uh7E2l7MP
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I think that DayStar's policy is that if you buy a 50MHz 030 now, you
can upgrade for $99 when the 040 comes out. It should be faster as long
as it's 25MHz.

-sam
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:18:32 -0400 
From: "Samuel O. Swett" <ssbc+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Source for Hardware Handshaking Modem Cables
Distribution: usa

   I get my HWHS (hardware handshaking) cables from Mac's Place, where
they know what you're talking about, the quality is good and the cost is
$9 + $3 overnight shipping. Their phone number is (800) 367-4222.

-Sam

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware