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From: SILVERI@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Silver Tiger)
Subject: Re: interesting lunch conversation
Organization: Queens University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:33:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211827.21314@ctp.com>
sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
 
>I had a very interesting lunch conversation today that I wanted to share,
 
[ Post about how people discard bisexuality as 'too complex' when
  trying to think about sexuality in terms of Heterosexuality,
  Homosexuality, or Gay/Lesbian. ]
 
You asked how one stops from having what they are invalidated by those
around them, and you also said you didn't feel like coming out to this
group of individuals, even though they were more than mere
acquaintences.
 
Hmmm...  tricky.  The problem is, if you don't act positively to change
the situation, it is unlikely it will change on its own.  People don't
change their perceptions of the way the world works, and things fit
together, unless they have compelling evidence that something new doesn't
fit into their current set of theories.
 
Someone, perhaps yourself, perhaps someone else, or some situation in
the workplace will have to provide the incentive.
 
And with that, I'm out of any other useful advice...
 
*looking at the rest of the populus of soc.bi for more insight*  Help!
 
Bright Blessings,
 
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From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Queer get-together!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

In article 61438@qut.edu.au, hollandd@qut.edu.au () writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.163046.2271@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>, yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian) writes:
>So  I guess we shall just have to sit on my verandah and think of you while
>we down a few cold ales and expensive red :)

>Anyone in Brisbane want to join us?  Or from anywhere for that matter..
>as long as you can get here real quick!

Dammit. Not quick enough.

-Bunweasel



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: What's a "partner"? (was Re: treating men as sex toys)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:15:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.215359.1851@tcsi.com> 
miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.130709.13566@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>Meeting a mixed-sex group of bisexuals full of sci-fi fans and 
>>computer geeks (UCBU) makes evident how artificial these sex-linked roles
>>really are.
>
>Artifice is human, so I don't condemn it out of hand.  Are you sure you
>haven't substituted one artifice for another?  Not to slam (I'm arguably
>a sci-fi fan and computer geek myself), but are people who are into these
>things somehow a likelier source of "natural" roles?  Kind of counter-
>intuitive, in some ways.

My thought, (which may not be obvious to those who don't know UCBU) was
that there were both men and women who were the computer geeks and
sci-fi fans, and at the same time, being bi, they were all generally more
expressive and unconventional. Sort of a mild "gender-fuck".

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian,alt.politics.italy
From: stefano@ecf.toronto.edu (Bruno Di Stefano)
Subject: alt.politics.italy
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:37:00 GMT

Hi:
few days ago I posted this request:
>
>This is just an attempt to verify if alt.politics.italy is read
>or used anywhere.
>
>If you read this posting while reading alt.politics.italy, please,
>respond.
>
>Bruno

I got positive acks from:

isopi@acf9.NYU.EDU (Marco Isopi)
gonzalo.ariel.yorku.ca!cs911390 
am5085@csc.albany.edu (MEYNARDI ALESSANDRO M)
lucio@Proxima.ALT.ZA (Lucio de Re)
f89-kam@nada.kth.se
wel2@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
<enpontel@NMSU.Edu>
raellero@vela.acs.oakland.edu (ELLERO ROGER A)
pdp@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Piero DiPorzio)
luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
moliva@cc.utah.edu

Because of such a "crowd", in spite of the holidays, I assume that
alt.politics.italy actually exists. I don't know who created it and
why, but it is there.

I propose to use it and to discuss Italian politics by crossposting
to alt.politics.italy.

I am using English and support the use of English for the purpose
of using this group, because I feel that a lot can be gained by
having the view, opinions, etc of non-Italians or non-Italian
speaking persons. Sometimes, those who are not familiar with the
basic postulates (unchallanged ideas taken for granted) of Italian
politics are capable of the best analysis.

If people really feel that they "must" use Italian, I suggest
separating a thread and stop crossposting to alt.politics.italy.

Any takers?

Happy 1993.

Bruno

-- 
Bruno Di Stefano
stefano@ecf.toronto.edu		(course related matters)
bruno@ecf.toronto.edu		(professional matters)
From: lpicci@weber.ucsd.edu (Lucio Picci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: COLLETTIVO
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:31:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <manghi-070193123739@160.78.36.33> manghi@prfsio.cineca.it (Massimo Manghi) writes:
>In article <1igoa0INNbvi@network.ucsd.edu>, lpicci@weber.ucsd.edu (Lucio
>Picci) wrote:
>> 
>> Ecco di nuovo la saga del Collettivo di S.C.I.
>> Confermo per Sabato 9 Gennaio la riunione del Collettivo e
>> l'Assemblea di S.C.I. 
(..)
>
>Ti sei dimenticato l'ora. Oppure come nei collettivi degli anni 70 il
>ritardo sull'inizio sara' in realta' arbitrariamente grande? In tal
>caso basta farsi vedere in giornata immagino. 
>
> -- Massimo
>
>P.S. Un' altra cosa. Ci sara' uno degli ingredienti fondamentali che
>incentivavano la frequentazione  dei collettivi studenteschi: le ragazze?
>:-)

Ora: 7pm, in tempo per un aperitivo e per il tg kabul. La cena la
offro io, il che non e' molto, vi garantisco. Chi c'e' lo faccia
sapere, via e-mail o telefono. 

Il collegamento con i nuclei all'estero avra' luogo in seguito,
direi in tarda serata (dopo la cena). Si dovranno anche votare
le mozioni e stilare i volantini, per cui, in forma!

Lucio

ps. Nessuna ragazza ha sino ad ora garantito la sua partecipazione.i
Come disse lo speaker di Radio Alice (Via del Pratello 45, 20 metri
da casa mia) il 13 marzo 1977, il giorno dopo l'uccisione di
Francesco Lorusso, mentre la polizia stava cercando di sfondare il
portone, "se vi va bene, bene, se no, seghe".


-- 
==   Lucio Picci                  ==                        ==
==   Marchese di Forlimpopoli     ==   Surfer Wannabe       ==
==   Universita' della Romagna    ==   U.C. San Diego       ==
From: marad@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Marina Cazzola)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Notizie Repubblica 12/1/93
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:12:19 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk

Approfitto dell'occasione per ringraziare chi si 
fa carico di inviare notizie al network

In article <1993Jan12.132002.640@cine88.cineca.it> asa0@cine88.cineca.it writes:
>Da  "La Repubblica":
>....
>----
>* PAGINE INTERNE *
>----
>...
>----
>Washington pronta a fornirli attende garanzie sul pagamento
>>>I MISSILI DI BELGRADO MINACCIANO L' ITALIA ROMA VUOLE I PATRIOT
>I generali serbi avvertono: "Disponiamo di ordigni capaci di colpire
>bersagli a mille km. di distanza"

Non e` che si puo` saperne qualcosa di piu`?


Ciao a tutti
(tranne a quelli che mi hanno espulso dal collettivo)

Marina


-- 
Marina Cazzola                                   marina@maths.warwick.ac.uk 
      
          Niente marijuana ne' pasticche
              noi si assume solo il due di picche
From: lpicci@weber.ucsd.edu (Lucio Picci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: COLLETTIVO
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:06:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

Ecco di nuovo la saga del Collettivo di S.C.I.
Confermo per Sabato 9 Gennaio la riunione del Collettivo e
l'Assemblea di S.C.I. 
La riunione avverra' in un luogo segreto a Bologna. L'indirizzo e':
Via del Pratello 50. Il recapito telefonico e' segreto: 051-220337.
Vi e' una limitata disponibilita' di posti letto, assegnati con
criterio first come - first served. 

A presto.


Lucio Picci


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==   Lucio Picci                  ==                        ==
==   Marchese di Forlimpopoli     ==   Surfer Wannabe       ==
==   Universita' della Romagna    ==   U.C. San Diego       ==
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From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian,alt.politics.italy
Subject: Re: alt.politics.italy
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:19:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

distef@eecg.toronto.edu (Eugenia Distefano) writes:

>In article <1ifd25INNmir@agate.berkeley.edu> luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.191022.17491@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk 
>>(Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>
>>|> To start off with, I would like to know how the smaller parties
>>|> (Republicans, Liberals, Social Democrats) manage to survive
>>|> without being squeezed out of existence by the larger ones. I
>>|> realise that the proportional representation system means they
>>|> get some representation, unlike the situation here in the UK
>>|> where small parties get discriminated against by the electoral
>>|> system, but still, why should anyone join or vote for a party
>>|> 5% or less in the polls?
>>
Well in Ireland a party with 6 seats out of the 166 deputies in parliament
were needed by the largest party to form a government, so had a very
disproportionate influence on goverment. Also small parties grow, in 
the last election another party went from 15 to 33 seats.

Don't knock the small parties. The party with 6 seats above exposed
and checked a lot of corruption in the  larger party. 


Mark

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igivefoodtothepooryoucallmeasaintiaskwhythepoorhavenofoodyoucallmeacommunist
From: bellutta@ohsu.EDU (Paolo Bellutta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Back from I.t.a.l.y.
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:57:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Jan6.225707.12274
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <1993Jan6.215941.22599@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini) writes:
>  "Si paga solo l'installazione e il canone"
> 
>  Forse maliziosamente mi chiedo cosa la Sip stia cercando di
> dire, che cos'altro si dovrebbe pagare?

Anche io sono appena tronato dall'Italia (lunedi' sera, dopo un
viaggio di ben 24 ore!!), e ho notato due avanzamenti tecnologici
non da poco per quanto riguarda la SIP.

Call forwarding, call wating, conference calls, sono adesso disponibili
per un "flat fee" mensile, a dir poco oltraggioso.  Poi ho notato che
adesso le maggiori citta' italiane sono su commutazione numerica
e non piu' elettromeccanica.  Mi risultava quindi immediata la
chiamata da Trento a Bari, mentre ci impiegava il solito minutino 
la chiamata da Trento citta' a Povo (sobborgo di Trento).

Sono inoltre rimasto favorevolmente impressionato dai IDTV Philips
in 16:9 in bella mostra alla Malpensa (vabbe' uno degli esemplari
aveva la color purity screwd up, ma era carino comunque).

Per il resto, mi ha fatto molta impressione tutta la fila di serrande
abbassate e di cartelli di chiuso per ferie.

Oh, si, mi hanno anche fatto rizzare i capelli alcuni piloti sulla
Serenissima (A4).  Non ci sono piu' abituato.

--
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 \'o.O'  | B.I.C.C - Oregon Health Sciences University
 =(_o_)= | 3181 SW Sam Jackson Park Rd. - Portland, OR
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From: karl@amleto.ico.olivetti.com (Carlo Biasutto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: G. De Michelis (aneddoto goliardico)
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:54:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti, Ivrea (Italy)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


      Correva l'anno 1971 e il vostro cronista - matricola presso
      la Facolta' di Ingegneria dell'Universita' di Padova - seguiva 
      le lezioni di Chimica. L'insegnamento era affidato a tale
      Gianni De Michelis. Non chiedete come, non chiedete perche'. 

      Fatto e' che il Principio di Indeterminazione di Heisenberg
      ci venne spiegato proprio dall'assessore socialista al Comune di
      Venezia, futuro Ministro degli Esteri, attualmente sotto indagine.

      Avvenne ordunque che il Nostro - entrando in aula per la
      lezione - spingesse la lavagna scorrevole, mettendo cosi'
      in luce una scritta in gesso, a caratteri cubitali:






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      P.S.: non me ne voglia la Comunita' Gay di s.c.i.
            mi limito a riportare il fatto, non condivido
            la connotazione negativa implicita nell'accostamento.

From: Vincent.Testa@p7.f775.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Vincent Testa)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Translation ?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 08:25:18 -0800

from Vincent@ship.wimsey.bc.ca

I need someone that is fluent in Italian that can do a little translation on a
text file. If you run a bbs, please leave me a message on how I can contact
you.
Thanks..

  Vincent@ship.wimsey.bc.ca

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From: camirkin@athena.mit.edu (Mario Lazzarin)
Subject: Re: Ancora CALUNNIE a Craxi
Keywords: RE:Calunnie
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:54:10 GMT

>Che gente!

Hello Piero:
I am so glad you are alive and well........wherever you are.
Happy 1993!
Mario Lazzarin
From: palezzat@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Paolo Palezzato)
Subject: Re: Sondaggio: sneeze (uto, ato, ito)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:14:55 GMT

In article <1iv5jn$9tp@agate.berkeley.edu> luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) writes:
>|> c'e' la scelta fra quattro versioni:  starnutare, starnutire,
>|> sternutare, sternutire.
>
>Ma insomma, quanto casino, e` completamente ovvio che le versioni
>corrette sono `starnuto' e `starnutire', e chiunque usi le altre
>versioni e` individuo losco, di bassa statura morale, e gli andrebbe
>ritirata la patente.  --Luigi

Credo che in effetti il nuovo codice stradale lo preveda.

-- Paolo
From: lpicci@weber.ucsd.edu (Lucio Picci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Bolli sul passaporto
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:51:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1iarndINNl11@agate.berkeley.edu> luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) writes:
>In article <ANTOY.93Jan4163805@antares.cs.pdx.edu>, antoy@antares.cs.pdx.edu
>(Sergio Antoy) writes:
>
>|> Sto facendo rinnovare il passaporto in USA ed il consolato di San
>|> Francisco, mi chiede $44.25 "per il primo anno di tasse", sebbene
>|> il passaporto sia gia` bollato fino all'estate prossima.
>|> 
>|> Ricordo di aver letto che i residenti all'AIRE non sono tenuti a
>|> bollare il passaporto. E` vero?  C'e` qualcuno che sa darmi gli
>|> estremi di qualche legge o normativa al riguardo?  Grazie.
>
>Non mi risulta che il bollo sul passaporto sia evitabile (sempre che
>uno lo usi).  Alcuni documenti che in Italia vanno bollati non richiedono


Il bollo si puo evitare cosi': 

i) se si va in un paese cee, si usa la carta di identita'.
ii) se si va in un paese extra-europeo, si usa un gateway europeo.
All'uscita e al rientro si presenta solo la carta di identita'.
All'estero si presenta ovviamente il passaporto, che deve essere
VALIDO, ma non necessariamente bollato. 
Funziona: si tratta di scegliere delle compagnie europee escluso
l'Alitalia. Puo' essere piu' costoso del bollo, ma la soddisfazione
di metterlo in saccoccia a Goria richiede ben qualche sacrificio.
Cosi' quaest'anno ho evitato il supplemento di bollo.

>Luigi

Lucio


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==   Lucio Picci                  ==                        ==
==   Marchese di Forlimpopoli     ==   Surfer Wannabe       ==
==   Universita' della Romagna    ==   U.C. San Diego       ==
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Auguri, Augusto
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:18:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1igmh0INN83f@network.ucsd.edu>, lpicci@weber.ucsd.edu (Lucio Picci) 
writes:

|> >Augusto Sarti, l'ineffabile editor del songbook di s.c.i., 
|> >si sposa domani, 2 gennaio.   Auguri a lui ed a Tracie.
|> 
|> Che se la canta da solo la marcia nuziale? auguri.     

C'erano cantanti di varie nazionalita`, piu` un ottimo organista.

Alcuni dettagli interessanti: vietato l'uso del riso per motivi
ecologici, si e` dovuto lanciare semi (bird feed) all'uscita degli
sposi.

Gli sposi sono fuggiti in macchina prima che nessuno pensasse
a formare un nucleo di inseguimento.  Solo io e Shankar (il suo
advisor) eravamo abbastanza vicini alle nostre macchine, e siamo
partiti all'istante con forte svantaggio.  Per fortuna gli sposi
si sono persi in una sezione del parking lot senza uscite, e li
abbiamo raggiunti.  Li abbiamo strombazzati quasi fino alla
freeway---eravamo solo in due macchine ma ci siamo dati da fare...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: jfu2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Carlo Graziani)
Subject: Re: Lottizzazione (Was: alt.politics.italy)
Reply-To: jfu2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:23:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.085146.2059@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> pmangiafico@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>
>Another note on lottizzazione: I believe that the Italian word comes 
>from the same root as the English word "allotment", such as "party 
>members are allotted good positions based on their party's share in 
>government."
>
>Paolo Mangiafico
.
.
>pmangiafico@guvax.georgetown.edu

Not a foreign concept in American government.  The translation of the
term is "patronage", and anyone who follows Chicago politics to any degree
will find much that is familiar in Furio's discussion (the only difference
being that in Chicago there is only one party to pass out or withhold the
goodies, rather than fifty).

Happy New Year, all.
Carlo

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From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian,alt.politics.italy
Subject: Re: alt.politics.italy
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:48:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan6.191022.17491@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk 
(Matthew Huntbach) writes:

|> To start off with, I would like to know how the smaller parties
|> (Republicans, Liberals, Social Democrats) manage to survive
|> without being squeezed out of existence by the larger ones. I
|> realise that the proportional representation system means they
|> get some representation, unlike the situation here in the UK
|> where small parties get discriminated against by the electoral
|> system, but still, why should anyone join or vote for a party
|> 5% or less in the polls?

I can think of these reasons:

1. The smaller parties have, or had, a larger representation in
some local governments.  Those who vote for them locally tend to
do so at the national level as well.

2.  The perception of their weight in parliament (and possibly
their effective weight) is much larger than their percentage.
With a multi-party executive, the government collapses if even
a small party pulls out.

3.  Even a small representation gets you some share of power in
the `lottizzazione' mechanism---the favor system that permeates
Italian politics and society.  That's one incentive for becoming
members.

Going back to point 2, I think one of the major problems of the
Italian system is that it is often very hard, or impossible, to
establish who is responsible for a specific policy, or lack of.
So it becomes impossible to punish (by not reelecting) those who
do not perform satisfactorily (most of them).   --Luigi
From: sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Risultati Serie A 10/1/93
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fIKulW00WB94OupA9
Organization: Sponsored account, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Scusandomi per la brevita`, e sempre in attesa di Marco, un paio di
correzioni:

Atalanta-Roma   3-1
Pescara-Ancona   4-3

A presto...
           Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"La vita e` ciclica. Lo dimostra pure il contascatti."
 (Luca Iannelli, mio coinquilino)
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From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian,alt.politics.italy
Subject: Re: alt.politics.italy
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:10:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <C0D0Lo.7C9@ecf.toronto.edu> stefano@ecf.toronto.edu (Bruno Di Stefano) writes:
>I am using English and support the use of English for the purpose
>of using this group, because I feel that a lot can be gained by
>having the view, opinions, etc of non-Italians or non-Italian
>speaking persons. Sometimes, those who are not familiar with the
>basic postulates (unchallanged ideas taken for granted) of Italian
>politics are capable of the best analysis.
>
I would be interested in a discussion on Italian politics in
English, since I have a number of questions I would like to see
answered, and haven't been able to find anything in English
that covers them.

To start off with, I would like to know how the smaller parties
(Republicans, Liberals, Social Democrats) manage to survive
without being squeezed out of existence by the larger ones. I
realise that the proportional representation system means they
get some representation, unlike the situation here in the UK
where small parties get discriminated against by the electoral
system, but still, why should anyone join or vote for a party
5% or less in the polls?

Matthew Huntbach