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From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: core files in /var/spool/mail (4.1.2)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:26:15 GMT

In <1992Nov18.130829.1472@midway.uchicago.edu> popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka) writes:

> I know this isn't much to go on, but ever since we've upgraded
>to 4.1.2, I've been finding core files in /var/spool/mail.

You need patch 100272-02, which replaces in.comsat.  The original will
dump core on 8-character login names.
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From: wbt@cs.tulane.edu (Bill Thomason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Flaky problems with dump utility
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:21:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov18.172107.13234
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-13209]: proteus

We've encountered a very odd problem with the dump utility.  If it matters,
we're running 4.1.3.  We may have encountered this problem when running 4.1.1
as well but didn't notice it before.

We're doing nightly backups of our main file servers running shell scripts
through cron that perform dumps and rdumps to a host that has a 2.2GB 8mm
tape backup unit.  All of the scripts perform a dump of every file system
on the tape host first and then proceeds to the other machines.

I've noticed that the backups will hang if I'm not logged in on the console
and not running OW3.0.  The backup will hang on the first dump performed.
It's irrelevant which filesystem b/c I experimented with swapping around
filesystems.  The output of the dump indicates that the dump was performed.
Goes all the way through to the DUMP IS DONE message.  The dump process shows
up using ps as idle and swapped out.  If log in and run OW then the process
wakes up and exits gracefully.

Has anyone seen this problem before?  If so, was there a solution?


thanks,
-bill
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From: rhealey@digibd.com (Rob Healey)
Subject: tcpdump for Solaris 2.[01], is there a port?
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:57:50 GMT

	Has a port of tcpdump been done to Solaris 2.x yet? I assume
	this would involve adapting the NIT interface code to the DLPI
	interface spec. under Solaris/SVR4. Alternately, is there a
	tcpdump type tool in the PD/shareware relm that uses the DLPI
	interface of SVR4 to do it's snooping duty?

	Email would be appreciated.

		Thanks!

		-Rob
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From: usmyrtle@mcs.drexel.edu (Steven Myrtle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: determining if anyone else is logged on
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:09:30 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

What's the best way under SunOS 4.1.x to determine if anyone besides
the owner of the console is logged onto the machine?  Searching the
utmp file?  Searching the process table?  (My program will be setuid
root, so that is an option, although I would prefer a simpler
solution.)  Other suggestions are greatly welcomed?

Please email me if possible.

Thanks,
Steven (usmyrtle@mcs.drexel.edu)
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From: olsenc@carson.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Subject: Configuring swap space for Cadence tools
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:10:26 GMT

Hello:

We are planning to get Cadence design tools for our
Sun Sparc IPX's.

Since we have the dinky 207Mbyte local hard disks, we have to
be stingy with our swap space.

Does anyone have any experience as to how much swap is needed
for this package?

Thanks in advance.

-Clint
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Sun Ethernet cards
Keywords: Ethernet address
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:04:40 GMT
Organization: cic

pla_kbh@sld60pki-nbg.philips.de (Kurt Behnke (TEAM SOS)) writes:

>On two of our Sun (Sparc 2) WS we have installed an additional Ethernet 
>controller (le1; the onboard controller is le0). The purpose is to try 
>some OSI protocols on a small network, and not to interfere with the usual
>IP traffic on the standard LAN.

>When booting, the Sun OS takes the Ethernet address from le0, and assigns it
>to le1, so that both have the same address. This even applies if le0 is
>not connected. Since we want to use the second
>net for some different kind of traffic the following questions arise:

In fact, the Ethernet cards do not have an address; the Ethernet address
is in the non-writable portion of the NVRAM.

>i) Is this assignment valid for ARP/IP only, or can I also use it for protocols 
>like LLC1/2?

Ethernet is Ethernet, no matter what the packets contain.

>ii) Is there any way to read the original Ethernet address, encoded in le1, 
>by a program, using ioctl()s etc., or can it be retrieved by some 
>administrative tool?

The easiest way is to do "ifconfig -a". I believe I have seen a hack to
read the address from the kernel, but I didn't keep it. Of course this
is the ethernet address from the NVRAM, as there is none other.

>iii) If i) and ii) have a negative answer, what can I do if I don't know
>the 'native' address of le1?

Despair, because it hasn't got one? ;-)

>Sorry for my ignorance. Any  f l a m in g  replies send directly to 
>my e-mail address please.

There are probably many people who still don't know this little
peculiarity, even though Sun has been doing this since their
beginning.
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From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:15:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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   It must be remembered that there is nothing
   more difficult to plan, more doubtful of
   success, nor more dangerous to manage than
   the creation of a new system.
   For the initiator has the enmity of all who
   would profit by the preservation of the old
   institution and merely lukewarm defenders
   in those who would gain by the new ones.

                     Machiavelli, "The Prince"
                            1513
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From: jp@ipac.caltech.edu (John Pipkins SSE SMCC)
Subject: Re: OW3 & textedit dumps core at exit?
Reply-To: jp@poseur.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Sun Software Support (JPL/NASA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:16:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.214343.15290@miki.pictel.com>, dustin@miki.pictel.com (Dustin Clampitt) writes:
|> Excuse me if this has been beaten to death.  I didn't see any
|> mention of it is several months of sun-managers archives.
|> 
|>   System:  Sun4c IPX 
|>   OS:	   4.1.2
|>   Openwin: version 3.0
|> 
|> The sequence of events.
|> 
|>   1. textedit is invoked from .openwin-init
|>   2. text is created and saved using "save as new file"
|>   3. Openwindows is exited without first quitting out of
|>      textedit.
|> 
|>   4. textedit dumps core. 
|> 

  Sounds like what you need is patch 100529-01.  I'd ask 
my local sun Support person about it or Archie.

		jp
		Sun SSE
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From: jungsj@nynexst.com (Shana-Ji Jung)
Subject: increase the number of steam pipe devices?
Keywords: steam pipe devices
Reply-To: jungsj@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:06:29 GMT

Hi,

	Could someone tell me how to increase the number of steam pipe devices on
	a sun workstation runing 4.1.2?

	Thank you!

shana

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From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Strange MOTD
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:35:27 GMT

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>>  I recently found the following strangeness in the /etc/motd
>>file on one of our machines. Does anyone know it all means?

>It means that some piece of SunOS has stuck stuff from "/etc/mtab" at
>the end of "/etc/motd".  I've seen both Suns and Auspexes, running
>various flavors of SunOS, do that.  Dunno why, at this point....

About two years ago I had a computation running (for several months)
where the program used files for temporary data. It created hundreds,
sometimes maybe thousands of files per hour, each file containing
in the order of 300-3000 bytes. When the data was treated, the file
was deleted again. Now this proved too much for NFS - I, and also
other users, found pieces of program output in our .profile, and
conversely I have found fragments of other files, including /etc/motd
in my data. It seems that NFS has a small but nonzero probability
for confusing buffers.
From: ohnielse@oersted.ltf.dth.dk (Ole Holm Nielsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:00:20 GMT
Reply-To: ohnielse@oersted.ltf.dth.dk
Organization: Lab of Applied Physics, Tech. Univ. of Denmark

In article 5982@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu, kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas) writes:
>>>Sun is going after the MIS market and probably couldn't care
>>>less what several thousand engineers, scientists and assorted techies
>>>think.
>>
>>I also suspect fewer "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" than
>>some folks think actually care that much about BSD vs. SV; I suspect
>
>Wrong.  The scientists here are very familiar with a BSD system here.  I've
>been administrating BSD system (2.9BSD and SunOS) for 8 years.
>
>>many "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" outside the UNIX
>>community would be just as happy running, say, Windows NT, as long as
>>the particular technical applications they wanted to run were available
>>under NT on the platform in question.

My gut feeling is that our users don't give a damn about which flavor of
UNIX they're using.  They primarily want SPEED, and many of our users have
switched to IBM RS/6000 and HP-7XX boxes for this reason.  So they have to
give up a Sun tool or two - who cares, they can always log into an odd Sun
for this.  For scientists, it is mainly fast CPUs and good compilers that
matter, then comes graphics tools, then word processing, printing etc.
Nobody cares if the underlying OS is SunOS 4.X, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX
or even WindowsNT !!
The system administrator (me) has to care, but I'll pick up what I need to
learn (I have been a Sun sysadmin since SunOS 1.0 !) in order to run the
system smoothly.

With best regards,

Ole H. Nielsen
Laboratory of Applied Physics, Building 307
Technical University of Denmark, DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark
E-mail: Ole.Holm.Nielsen@ltf.dth.dk
Telephone: (+45) 42 88 24 88 ext. 3187
Telefax:   (+45) 45 93 23 99
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From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Can I download news to my PC?
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT Inc.
Affiliate-Of: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:04:31 GMT

My colleagues are on the road very often. They are using
Portable mail to download email from our Unix machines to
their laptops to read email and thus save $$ on phone
bills. They want to download news from these unix machines
so that we can save some more $$$ !!!! Are there any
public domain <grin> packages or commercially available
packages which will do this?

thanks

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From: sivap-s@acsu.buffalo.edu (Suresh .S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: determining if anyone else is logged on
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:24:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.wizards
Organization: UB
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Steven Myrtle (usmyrtle@mcs.drexel.edu) wrote:
: What's the best way under SunOS 4.1.x to determine if anyone besides
: the owner of the console is logged onto the machine?  Searching the
: utmp file?  Searching the process table?  (My program will be setuid
: root, so that is an option, although I would prefer a simpler
: solution.)  Other suggestions are greatly welcomed?

Searching utmp, is not  a foolproof idea, because  opening a xterm  as
"xterm -ut" will not create a utmp entry.

What exactly  do  you mean  by  "logged",  is  it  a login  session or
somebody remotely running a process in your machine ?


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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Solaris RTU Licensing
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:55:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>  Sun machines as delivered come with a RTU of two users.  If you add
>Xterminal, one may assume that each one represents one more user of
>the server hence, one more RTU to buy.  The fact that this is not
>enforced by the OS doesn't change the legal aspect of it.

Actually, that may not be necessary, *if* Sun is merely passing on the
requirement that, as I remember, was in AT&T UNIX licenses at one point,
namely that you had to buy an N-user license based on the number of
*serial ports on the system to which you attach interactive terminals*.

If so, then I don't think X terminals count, as they're attached via IP,
not via a serial port (unless you're using SLIP or Xremote or PPP or
something such as that).  (Yes, such a licensing scheme is completely
stupid, but that won't necessarily stop some software vendor from using
it....)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:33:48 GMT

In article <Bxt7Mo.4Ft@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> malte@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Malte Uhl) writes:
> Whatever you think about SysVr4, Solaris 2.x, ...
> You'll love it once you've had a look at AIX.
> 
> Malte

An IBM salesman phoned a few months ago.  ``I understand you're a Sun
site; have you heard that many users are migrating from Sun to RS6000?''

After I'd recovered my breath, I asked him if he knew WHY we happened to
have six 4/470en downstairs waiting for shipment to a turnkey customer.
No, he didn't.  I told him.  It was because the project had started on
RS6000en which were so unpleasant that we ported the project during
alpha-test and sold the Blue boxes.

He didn't call back.

ian
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: HELP: Need errno.h (strerror) from ACC
Keywords: C++, ERRNO, ACC
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:31:20 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>	I am trying to compile a public domain program that was made using 
>SUN's ACC compiler. I only have GCC available to me on our SUN. I have 
>attempted compiling by making the appropriate changes to the Makefile but 
>there is one thing still missing. That one thing is the routine "strerror" 
>which is supposed to exist in errno.h but GCC does not have it. Would it be 
>possible (and legal I assume) for someone to e-mail me that routine from the 
>ACC errno.h file so that I can add it directly to this source code. Thanks.

Err, I don't think ACC supports inlining; as such, "strerror()" is
unlikely to be *defined* in "errno.h", or any other include file,
although it is, according to the ANSI C spec, supposed to be *declared*
by <string.h> or some file that <string.h> includes.

It's defined by "libansi.a" in the Sun C release we have here.

However, it's a fairly trivial routine to write for UNIX.  Here's a
freely-available and freely-redistributable version I wrote (hell, it's
public-domain - too little code for me to give a damn about copyrighting
it).  No warranty; if you find a bug, it's your problem:

char *
strerror(int errnum)
{
	extern int sys_nerr;
	extern char *sys_errlist[];
	static char errbuf[5+1+10+1];	/* "Error %d\0" */
	
	if (errnum > 0 && errnum < sys_nerr)
		return sys_errlist[errnum];
	else {
		(void) sprintf(errbuf, "Error %d", errnum);
		return errbuf;
	}
}

Dunno what state the GNU library is in, but it presumably also has a
version of "strerror()" in it.
From: ori@ferrari.dsp.hellnet.org (Ori Chalak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: help!! diskless node installation
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:28:21 GMT
In-reply-to: nanda@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu's message of 9 Nov 92 20:11:20 GMT

> I edited the bootparams, exports and ether files in the /etc directory as
> stated in the sys admin manual. I also copied the /usr, /sbin and /etc files
> to the /export/root/diskless_client and I edited the fstab in this directory as 
> stated in the manual. With all this, when I type boot net on the ELC, it trys
> to boot and it accesses the root correctly but dumps when trying to access the 
> swap. 

Do:

mkfile /export/swap/diskless_client <swap-size>

Good-Luck
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From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: What does this error mean?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:44:44 GMT

Any one know what this error means?

    vmunix: esp0: Spurious data in phase from target 3

I get these occasionally on some days and when they start I can
usually expect my SLC to crash soon. It's crash twice today
with disk related errors.
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From: montjoy@ra.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy)
Subject: 3/470 to a 4/470 Upgrade
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:45:22 GMT


HI..


Just a quick question. 

Does anyone know for sure if a 4/470 board will work in a 3/470 chassis?

Thanks.



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From: montjoy@thor.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy)
Subject: Re: core files in /var/spool/mail (4.1.2)
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.130829.1472@midway.uchicago.edu> popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka) writes:
> I know this isn't much to go on, but ever since we've upgraded
>to 4.1.2, I've been finding core files in /var/spool/mail.
>
> The time of the latest one corresponds to a 'mass mailing' to
>about 25 people on the machine. 
>
> This is about all I've got so far. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Yes. I probably is the in.comsat bug with 8-Character usernames.
Patch #100272-04 .
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From: mellan@syst06.acri.fr (Alain Mellan)
Subject: DNS *with* NIS
Organization: A.C.R.I., Lyon, France
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:16:30 GMT

My problem is the following:

I would like to resolve machines names using DNS, then /etc/hosts,
then the NIS. The resolv+ package allow to resolve with DNS and then
/etc/hosts.
I would like to have in /etc/resolv.conf a line that reads

	order bind,local,nis

Before I start hacking into resolv+, I'd like to know if someone
already tried and/or succeeded implementing such a beast.



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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: BSD Compat. Package under Solaris 2.x?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.apps
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:01:52 GMT

It is my understanding that the /usr/usrlib files are intended to be
a standard part of System V.4 while the ld.so modifications are intended
to be a shorter term solution to migration - is that the current understanding?
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From: marlab@sunblock.EBay.Sun.COM (Marla Berg-Vivit)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: how much memory do i have??
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:08:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marlab@sunblock.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunblock.ebay.sun.com

do a /etc/dmesg | grep mem


In article 5705@sea.com, sweetman@sea.com (Bill Sweetman) writes:
>=-=-=
>all -
>
>quick question, sorry if its in the FAQ.  how do i tell
>how much memory (RAM) is in my SPARC statoin1.
>running SunOS 4.1.1.
>
>thanks
>
>-bill
>=-=-=
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From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: increase the number of steam pipe devices?
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:54:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.230629.6155@nynexst.com> jungsj@nynexst.com (Shana-Ji Jung) writes:

   Could someone tell me how to increase the number of steam pipe
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^
   devices on a sun workstation runing 4.1.2?

Um . . . call a plumber?  :)
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:45:59 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Not a great loss...  The only thing that REALLY bugs me, is the way Sun is
>using the FSF (gcc), to provide a compiler (Which happens to be better than
>their own, at least at 4.1.x) for 'free'.
>
>Yo Sun, how about providing that outdated 4.1.{2,3} source for free on the
>net?  Common, what have you got to loose?

Err, if you're referring, by "that outdated 4.1.{2,3} source", to the
Sun compiler - the very compiler which you say is *inferior* to GCC
(which I can easily believe it is) - then why do you *want* them to
provide it?  Aren't you better off with GCC?
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