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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:30:59 EDT
From:         "(Mott Given)" <ntm1169@DSACG3.DSAC.DLA.MIL>
Comments: To: "(IBM Mainframe List)" <ibm-main@vm1.cc.uakron.edu>

    How much DASD does the software for DB2 itself occupy (without adding
in the DASD for the DB2 applications themselves)?


Mott Given @ Defense Logistics Agency ,DSAC-TMP, P.O. Box 1605,
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:04:00 PDT
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VSAM AIX Build with SMS

I haven't tried external sort because I don't build many AIXs, and I
haven't had the external sort PTF on the system for very long.  But I
would figure that if you're using external sort, the IDCUTn DDs would
not be needed -- you would instead need SORTWK0n DDs for the sort
package.

There was an old SHARE requirement for IDCAMS BUILDIX to allow use of
external sort.  IBM let it languish until the screams about IDCUTn in
an SMS environment got too loud, then they fixed it by answering an
old, seemingly unrelated requirement.  Amusing...

/Leonard
From: GRZES@PLWATU22.BITNET (Gregory Plucinski 257508)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: MVS/XA Deleting an Indexed VTOC ???
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:09:00 GMT
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> >I am building an alternate Residence pack.  I used FDR COPY to copy my
> >production res onto a test res volume.  I did not exclude the indexed
> >vtoc dataset from the copy and I now have an indexed vtoc on my alternate
> >res with a name 'SYS1.VTOCIX.MVSRS1'.  My alternate res is MVSRS2.  How can
> >I delete this indexed vtoc so that I can define a new one called
> >'SYS1.VTOCIX.MVSRS2'?

 For future use :
  use FDR Data set function (FDRDSF or FDRABR)
  this program don't restore VTOCIX and VVDS dataset's
  it just rebuild it's

Gregory
From: wsm0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Wayne S. Mery)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: 3480 Extended length cartridges ??
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:27:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Can someone please comment on the reliability of extented length cartridges
and a good source for ordering?  I was recently made aware of this.  The
extended length I read about would be 650 feet versus the standard 540-550
feet.

We are somewhat sceptical of the reliability of extended length tapes after
our poor experience with 3600 ft 9-track tape.

Thanks
Wayne
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:42:13 EDT
From:         Bob Quigley <BOB@YSU.EDU>
Subject:      uow script to dcf converter

I am looking for some kind of program to read fairly simple Waterloo
script programs and convert them to IBM's DCF script language. Does
such a beast exist? VM environment is best for me, but MVS is OK too.

Thanks,
Bob Quigley (bob@ysu.edu)
Youngstown State University
From: dave@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Dave Weintraub)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: VM on RS/6000
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: dave@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Dave Weintraub)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

(For the n-th time ...)

The card comes in a PS/2, 
complete with licenses for VM, CMS, XEDIT, APL2, and a whole lot more.

The whole mess is around $10K, plus the cost of the PS/2.

Contact InterProcess Systems, 404-992-8400.

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From: TECHGJS@TSCVM.BITNET (George Shedlock Jr.)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: HYDRA II Protocol convertor
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:01:50 GMT
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We are considering purchasing a HYDRA II protocol converter box. I would
like to get some opinions on pro's and con's as compared to an IBM 7171.
Also, what software needs to be installed/maintained on the host?
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:49:14 EDT
From:         "John A. Pershing Jr." <PERSHNG@YKTVMH.BITNET>
Subject:      VM on RS/6000
Comments: cc: JEISZNER@INDYCMS.BITNET, VMESA-L@UAFSYSB.BITNET


I couldn't comment on any of IBM's future plans (or lack thereof), even
if I knew them.

However, suffice it to say that VM is *only* supported on System/370
and System/390 architectures.  What you saw at SHARE is a S/370-on-a-
card that happens to plug into a MicroChannel, and which uses the PS/2
(running special code) as an I/O processor.  So, you didn't really see
VM running on a PS/2; what you saw was VM running on a 370 which
happened to be housed inside of a PS/2.  A subtle but important
distinction.

      John Pershing                             pershng @ watson.ibm.com
      IBM Research, Yorktown Heights            PERSHNG at YKTVMH.BITNET
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:38:08 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CMS 5.5

VM/XA SP 2.1, while no longer marketed(?), is still fully supported, and
I don't believe a sunset date has been announced yet.  It has CMS 5.6,
which is valid for anything which requires 5.5.  :-)

I think XA 2.1 supports 3990 read caching, but I'm not positive (our
3990-3 is dedicated to the MVS guest).  It also supports minidisk
caching in expanded storage, but on your 4381 that may not help much.
(Can you even define storage on a 4381 as expanded?) If you have the
chance, try it; what's not used as minidisk cache is used as paging
space between main storage and disk.  Not quite as good as having it as
purely main storage, but still quite useful.

Just a thought,
Nick

* NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET
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* Pet Peeve du Jour: Double CD sets where both CDs could have been
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From: SRUHE@KENTVM.BITNET (S.C.Ruhe)
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Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:59:52 GMT
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Nice job, Kriss - needed to be said.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:32:00 CET
From:         Maarten Ouwehand +31 71 276948/27692 <CRISMO@RULMVS.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
Subject:      PUT-info in INFO/MVS ... (second attempt..!)

Hello ,

about 3 months ago (Jul23) I sent the following note to this list :

..>Has anybody an idea why the PUT-information in the P-file of INFO/MVS
..>hasn't been updated for a long time !!??
..>I just loaded lvl8 of INFO/MVS and the latest PUT-info is 9103 !!

I got exactly 0 responses ...:-(

Well, I just loaded lvl10 of INFO/MVS and with this level the latest
PUT-information (9103) has also disappeared .
So, there aren't any (MVS) PTF-coverletters left in the P-file!

Well, to repeat my question from three months ago :
"Is there really no one on this list (IBM ?? ..;-) ), who has an idea
why this vital information (at least for me..) has vanished from
the INFO/MVS database ?"

I have asked the same question to our IBM-SE about six weeks ago,
but I'm still waiting an answer ...!

Maarten Ouwehand          Internet: crismo@rulmvs.Leidenuniv.nl
MVS Systems Programmer    Bitnet  : crismo@hlerul2
Leiden University
The Netherlands           Phone   :+31 71 276963/276921
From: GG.WSF@ISUMVS.BITNET (Bill Frazier)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: RACF and password preservation
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:22:19 GMT
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I'm sorry that I've lost the original reference for quoting
purposes.  The question regards password continuity for existing
users on conversion to RACF.

We run MVS/XA and are now at a 1.9.x version of RACF.  We went
through the conversion process some time ago and had to address this
problem.  As far as I have been able to determine, when you use any
of the administrative paths provided for setting passwords, the
password will be created expired and will hence require changing on
first use.  I have written code to circumvent this.  It can be done
using ICHEINTY to update the password and set the last change date
appropriately.  Even if you use DES, this will still work because
the ICHEINTY interface will properly encrypt what you are passing
in.  I'm sorry that I cannot share the code because it was not stand
alone but part of things I wrote for our WYLBUR system.

I strongly encourage the use of simple test case programs if you are
going to do database editing using ICHEINTY.  No matter how well you
think you are at pointing the gun, your foot WILL be in the way.
The documentation on this interface is not always the clearest,
although it has improved much since we installed at 1.8.

Bill Frazier
From: SYSMAINT@PCCVM.BITNET (Russell N. Hathhorn, VM Systems Support)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: HYDRA II Protocol convertor
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:09:50 GMT
Organization: Portland Community College
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We have been running a Hydra for +/- 10 years ------>  Good box

Software is supplied by the vendor - a utility to soft load it

A warning - keep it on a UPS or pay the penalty in chip damage.

All in all a good device and the support is also good

+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
|   Russell N. Hathhorn                       |  Bitnet: SYSMAINT@PCCVM       |
|   VM Systems Programmer/Analyst             |  Compu$erve: 76636,1036       |
|   Portland Community College                |  Voice: (503) 244-6111 x 4705 |
|   12000 S. W. 49th Avenue                   |  Fax:   (503) 324-7010        |
|   Portland, Oregon  97219-0990              |  "     Just say NO to OCO   " |
+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms... The strongest reason |
|  for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last         |
|  resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."              |
|  Thomas Jefferson - Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776               |
|  Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).                      |
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From: MPLATH@UMDACC.BITNET (Mary E. Plath)
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Subject: Addr: RACF/VM
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:21:46 GMT
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From: mplath

We are preparing to implement RACF/VM on a VM/ESA 1.1
system.  From my testing it appears that each user will have to
change his pasword the first time he logs on after RACF is
active.

Is there away to 'pre-change' tha user passwords to aoid this ?

Thanks.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:41:19 EDT
From:         Don Tang <V1426G@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      moving all texts in xedit file one space to the right

I am trying to find if there is any command that enable to move all texts
of each line one space to the right in an xedit file? It takes too much
time if I do it line by line in a long file.

Thanks!
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:38:00 MET
From:         Rob van Hoboken <RCOPROB@HDETUD2.TUDELFT.NL>
Subject:      Re: Candle products and alternatives.

You may want to look into InterSession from ISOGON.  Looks like a
versatile product and it compares well with others.  They even have a
trade in policy where they'll refund the purchase price of the
product being replaced by InterSession.

Contact ISOGON at 212-967-2424

no ties with them, not even a customer
From: RZ65@DKAUNI2.BITNET (Harald Meyer, RZ Uni Karlsruhe)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: IKJEFT01
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:13:05 GMT
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> I am looking for the description of TSO in Batch, that is
> // EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01, and what I may or must supply as parameters
> and DD statements --
> but I cannot find the manual! Please help me.
> We use TSO/E 2.1.0 (MVS/XA).

Peter, we use the following jcl to invoke tso in batch:

//B        EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,REGION=512K,DYNAMNBR=99,COND=(4,LT)
//**********************************************************************
//* Batch TSO Procedure                                          DKAUNI2
//**********************************************************************
//SYSEDIT  DD   UNIT=SYSDA,DSN=&EDIT,SPACE=(4096,(50,20))
//SYSEDIT2 DD   UNIT=SYSDA,DSN=&EDIT2,SPACE=(4096,(50,20))
//SYSPROC  DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS2.CMDPROC
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=*
//SYSTSIN  DD   DDNAME=SYSIN
//SYSTSPRT DD   SYSOUT=*
//FT06F001 DD   SYSOUT=*

Harald Meyer, Computer Center, University of Karlsruhe,
D-7500 Karlsruhe, FRG, E-Mail: RZ65@DKAUNI2 (Bitnet)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:07:35 PDT
From:         "Russell N. Hathhorn, VM Systems Support" <SYSMAINT@PCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VM on RS/6000

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:49:14 EDT John A. Pershing Jr. said:
>In-Reply-To: Posting dated Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:54:55 EST
>
>What you saw at SHARE is a S/370-on-a-
>card that happens to plug into a MicroChannel, and which uses the PS/2
>(running special code) as an I/O processor.  So, you didn't really see
>VM running on a PS/2; what you saw was VM running on a 370 which
>happened to be housed inside of a PS/2.  A subtle but important
>distinction.
>

When this card becomes a product - I WILL BUY IT !!!

Come On IBM - kick this 'hummer' loose !!!!

Is anyone taking reservations ????????

+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
|   Russell N. Hathhorn                       |  Bitnet: SYSMAINT@PCCVM       |
|   VM Systems Programmer/Analyst             |  Compu$erve: 76636,1036       |
|   Portland Community College                |  Voice: (503) 244-6111 x 4705 |
|   12000 S. W. 49th Avenue                   |  Fax:   (503) 324-7010        |
|   Portland, Oregon  97219-0990              |  "     Just say NO to OCO   " |
+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms... The strongest reason |
|  for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last         |
|  resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."              |
|  Thomas Jefferson - Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776               |
|  Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).                      |
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From: ISY5GSE@WMMVS.BITNET (Geri S. Ellis)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: MVS Bitnet over Internet?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:38:00 GMT
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Is anyone out there doing BITNET over INTERNET on MVS?
I am not sure if that is the correct way to phrase the
question! But is TCP/IP for MVS enough to do this? Are
there other connections or products needed to do this?
Thank you very much for any directions along this line!

Geri Ellis,   ISY5GSE@WMMVS
College of William and Mary
From: ISY5GSE@WMMVS.BITNET (Geri S. Ellis)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Plotters with continuous paper
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:19:00 GMT
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Please excuse me if this is not the right place to post
this question. We currently use a CALCOMP 921/1051 offline
plotter that plots from tapes produced by SAS or FORTRAN
jobs on our MVS system. We are interested in replacing
this plotter with another continous roll paper plotter
if possible. Calcomp does not have newer roll paper models.
Would anyone have suggestions for other vendors we might
contact or recommendations on using a plotter that is
online versus offline?
Thank you very much for any responses. You may respond
directly to me:    ISY5GSE@WMMVS.BITNET

Geri Ellis
College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:45:00 PDT
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Checking if Jes is up

>   My question is this, How can I tell if Jes2 is up and running so I will
> know whether or not to start the procedure ? Thanks in advance for the help !

Lacking any better ideas, I suppose that you could do some IEFSSREQ
call, like cancel/status.  There's a specific return code for "JES
not up."

If you want a q&d method, you could pick up the primary JES name from
JESPJESN (macro is IEFJESCT) and search for its SSCT (macro IEFJSCVT),
then check for something like SSCTSSVT and SSCTSUSE being non-zero.
Note:  This is theory.  You'll have to test it.

/Leonard
From: JURASCHEK@GMUVAX.BITNET (David F. Juraschek)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Programming Standards/Guidelines
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:09:00 GMT
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Original_To:  JNET%"CICS-L@UGA"
Original_cc:  JNET%"IBM-MAIN@RICEVM1",JURASCHEK

Oops!  I'm looking for COMMAND CICS COBOL and BATCH COBOL (and general)
programming standards/guidelines - not *MACRO* CICS COBOL.
(Sheez! What a vile mistake to make.)

Thanks again.
-Dave
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:54:55 EST
From:         John Eiszner <JEISZNER@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      VM on RS/6000
Comments: cc: VM/ESA Discussion List <VMESA-L@UAFSYSB.BITNET>

Up to now the IBM side of our shop has been mainly S/370 mainframe
(VM and MVS) and DOS-based workstations (PCs, PS/2s, various clones).
We are now giving serious thought to establishing a general-user *IX
platform, most likely based on one or more RS/6000 (correct identifier?)
machines running AIX.

Does anyone know of an IBM plan to support VM on the RS/6000 architecture?
I've seen the S/370 instruction set board for the PS/2 at SHARE, so it
appears that IBM intends to support VM on that family of workstations.
I have little experience with *IX but I keep hearing glowing reviews of
the RS/6000 boxes.  It seems to me that VM on the RS/6000 would be
a perfect pairing.  I'd be very interested in the opinions (pro or con)
of those more knowledgeable about this machine.

Any IBMers care to comment?

Note: cross-posting to IBM and VM-ESA lists intentional.

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| John Eiszner, Lead Systems Programmer                               |
| Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis (IUPUI)        |
| (317) 274-0751--JEISZNER@INDYCMS.BITNET--JEISZNER@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU |
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From: C4322PH@UMVMA.BITNET (Scott Stager)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: Dual CPUs
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:55:38 GMT
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:14:13 EST Bill Leimbach said:
>Dundalk Community College is in the planning stages of upgrading
>our 4381 system.  Since our current system does not have a great deal
>of residual value, we were thinking of continuing to use our current
>CPU with our new box.  Anyone out there in netland have experience in
>tightly-coupling CPUs and sharing devices?  Your insights and advice
>would be appreciated!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
We were a multi-cpu shared DASD configuration for over 15 years until
just recently.

Shared DASD is a real performance problem if you are not careful.
Minimize the amount of same volume sharing as much as possible.
The problem becomes especially acute when one of the cpus is
significantly faster than the other.  It can hog a volume.
Hardware volume reserves can be a real headache.

Disregarding performance problems, it worked fine.

NOTE: you will need some kind of global integrity facility to keep
two systems from stepping on each other in the same dataset.  IBM
has GRS (Global Resource Serialization - maybe MVS only?).  We used
Legent's Multi Image Manager (MIM) in our shop.  I think there might
be a VM flavor of that.

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| Scott Stager                    Bitnet: C4322PH@UMVMA                |
| Information Technology        Internet: C4322PH@UMVMA.UMSYSTEM.EDU   |
| University of Missouri           Phone: (314)-882-9289               |
From: X229RP@TAMVM1.BITNET (Richard Peurifoy)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: MVS/XA Deleting an Indexed VTOC ???
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:26:12 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:18:34 EDT Steve Greenfield said:
>I am building an alternate Residence pack.  I used FDR COPY to copy my
>production res onto a test res volume.  I did not exclude the indexed
>vtoc dataset from the copy and I now have an indexed vtoc on my alternate
>res with a name 'SYS1.VTOCIX.MVSRS1'.  My alternate res is MVSRS2.  How can
>I delete this indexed vtoc so that I can define a new one called
>'SYS1.VTOCIX.MVSRS2'?

I think you can just rename it.

You can use ICKDSF to convert to an OS VTOC, and then scratch it
if you realy want to delete it.

If you use the VOLRESET=YES option on your FDR RESTORE it will
automatically rename the VTOC INDEX, and the FDR MODEL DSCB for you.

Richard
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:00:31 LCL
From:         "Glenn A. Malling" <SYSGAM@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: LINK PACK AREA MEMBERS
              9 Oct 1992 09:38:00 CET from <CRISMO@RULMVS.LEIDENUNIV.NL>

In addition to moving some things from the LPA, on SP 1 systems you
probably have some that can be re-moved.  I.e. TCAM.


Glenn A. Malling (SYSGAM@SUVM) or sysgam@suvm.acs.syr.edu
Syracuse University Computing Services   +1 (315) 443-4111
Machinery Hall  Syracuse, New York 13244-1260
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:42:34 EST
From:         "Donn Wolf, Systems Programmer" <SPDW@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      PLSORT versus SYNCSORT

Brad,

We recently talked to both Syncsort and Plisort. Plisort was
significantly cheaper. After telling Syncsort they were out of the
ballpark pricewise, they came back and matched Plisort's price. By that
time, we decided to go with Plisort and be done with it. Plisort's offer
also included a perpetual license. Not so with Syncsort. By the way,
this was the VM flavor of the products. When things settle down around
here I may look at the MVS product also.

The rumor that Phase Linear is experiencing financial trouble may be
true. When talking with Syncsort, that was about the only reason they
could come up with to purchase their product and not Plisort. The
support we have received from Phase Linear has not been a problem. In
fact, it's been pretty good. Not that we've had technical problems, just
questions.

Donn Wolf
Systems Programmer                 bitnet id  <spdw@nmumus>
Northern Michigan University