From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 3 of 4
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:01:16 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


How Many Homosexuals Are There?
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The number "10%" has been ignorantly (or perhaps dishonestly)
thrown around for so long by the homosexual community, that a
lot of people just accept it as fact.  After explaining the 
origin of the 10% number, Masters, Johnson, and Kolodny take the
position that "3.3% of the American adult male population had
homosexual contact 'occasionally' or 'fairly often' after age
20..." and that the percentage of women who were "mostly or
exclusively homosexual on a life-long basis" was about two or
three percent.[Masters, Johnson, & Kolodny, 387]

Using different sources (which, unfortunately, I was unable to
track down in our library), Ted Frank (who I know disagrees with
many of my conclusions) came to a very similar set of numbers:

    One of the great myths of the Kinsey report was the 10% figure.  
    Kinsey found that 4% of *men* were more or less exclusively 
    homosexual for their whole lives and another 6% had been more 
    or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between 
    the ages of 16 and 55. [1]  Prisoners or former prisoners were 
    overrepresented in Kinsey's sample. [2]  Kinsey found there
    to be far fewer lesbians, about a third as many as gay men, [3] 
    so even if the "10%" figure is correct for men, it doesn't state 
    the overall figure.  Paul Gebhard, one of Kinsey's successors 
    at the Institute for Sex Research, estimates that 4% of men 
    and 1% of women are predominantly homosexual. [4]  Many estimates 
    of the number of male homosexuals go down to 2%, as Kinsey
    himself noted. [5]
    
    [1] Kinsey, S[exual] B[ehavior] in the Human Male, 650-51.
    [2] Posner, Sex and Reason, 294.
    [3] Kinsey, S[exual] B[ehavior] in the Human Female, 474-75.
    [4] Gebhard, "Incidence of Overt Homosexuality in the US and Western
        Europe," in Nat'l Inst of Mental Health Task Force on Homosexuality,
        "Final Report and Background Papers" 22, 27-28 (DHEW Publication
        no. [ADM] 76-357, 1976; originally published in 1972.)
    [5] Kinsey, S. B. in the Human Male, 618-620.
    [Ted Frank, <1992Mar27.171752.8407@midway.uchicago.edu>]

Why does the percentage of homosexuals matter?  First of all, because
the number "10%" is used to scare politicians into voting the "right"
way.  

Secondly, because a percentage as large as, or larger than, the
number of molestation victims would destroy any argument of casuality
between child molestation and the victim becoming an adult homosexual.

Third, because it will become apparent that homosexuals and bisexuals
are very disproportionately involved in child molestation.  By 
enlarging the apparent size of the homosexual population, the 
disproportion of homosexual involvement in child molestation is
hidden.



The Sexual Orientation of a Child Molester
------------------------------------------

It has been an article of faith for the homosexual community that
a child molester isn't "a homosexual," regardless of the sex of
his victims.  This wonderfully reassuring (to homosexuals) idea 
seems not to have taken hold with any of the three specialized
books examined.  Quite the opposite.  In describing a study done 
in Calgary:

    Abuse of both males and females was overwhelmingly at the
    hands of males, so the abuse of boys was usually homosexual
    in nature.[Bagley & King, 122]

In describing the nature of the abuse received by children:

    The encounters with female victims were usually heterosexual
    (94%), whereas for males they were usually homosexual (84%).
    [Faller, 18]

Similarly, I ran into several articles in _Archives of Sexual
Behavior_ in the last two years that discussed, with no apparent
embarrassment, "heterosexual pedophiles" and "homosexual pedophiles."

The Everstines, as well as Faller and Bagley/King, draw a line
between those molesters who go after females (who are usually
related, or part of the household), and those that go primarily
after males (who are usually NOT part of the household).  In 
describing the molester who goes primarily after boys:

    The molester is a man who, by default, tends to rely on women
    for support and nurturance.  He has always found, in the adult
    women who guided him through the shoals of childhood, a source
    of solace.  As a result, he has become dependent upon female
    authority figures, even though he resents this trait in him-
    self.  At an unconscious level, he feels a strong identification
    with women, but he would never be able to confront or admit
    this introjected *persona*.

    The molester tends to deny his homosexuality.  As Geiser
    (1979) put it, "It is not unusual for a child molester to
    express strong feelings against homosexuals" (p. 92)  This
    self-deception is a key to understanding the fact that he
    is, in many cases, a married man who has fathered children.
    By not having overt adult-with-adult homosexual experiences,
    he manages to (by a certain form of logic) to avoid the
    stigma of being the "gay" men who is living a lie by being
    married to a woman.  He does not think of himself as bisexual
    because his homosexual relationships with boys do not "count."
    In this climate of self-deception and sham, it is not sur-
    prising that in many cases the marriage of a molester has
    been a superficial and unloving union prior to the husband's
    being found out.  The secret of its lasting so long may be
    the dependency arrangement between these partners, in which
    the wife is content to play a motherly role.[Everstine &
    Everstine, 139-140]

Obviously, this sort of "closeted homosexual" is more dangerous 
in the closet than out.  But if we pass antidiscrimination laws
that protect based on sexual orientation, he can come out of the 
closet, and a day care center, school, or Boy Scouts of America
will be unable to exclude him from employment.




Child Molestation As A Cause of Homosexuality
---------------------------------------------

Much to my surprise, my thoughts on this subject weren't the
first.  The Everstines describe the ways in which, long-term,
a female victim may respond to the damaged parent-child relation-
ship:

    She might adopt an asexual or homosexual lifestyle, as a
    method of coping with the original incestuous conflict,
    designed to protect her from the source of trauma in 
    possible future conflicts.[Everstine & Everstine, 101]

Bagley & King take a more direct position, though they commit
great crimes against good English in the process:

    Boys who had been sexually abused and who as young adults
    were currently practising homosexuals, had rather poor
    self-concept in comparison with all other groups, except
    those who were currently homosexual but who had never been
    sexually abused as children.

It took me a while to parse that sentence, but they appear to
be saying that those boys who went from being sexual abused
children to homosexuals, had very poor self-concept relative
to all other groups, except for those who were homosexual and
NOT abused as children (or repressed the event, or refused to
admit it, if you buy into my hypothesis).  In brief, the bottom 
rungs in self-concept were the homosexual young adults.  But the 
amazing statement is the following sentence:

    It looks as though sexual abuse of boys acts for some as a
    kind of recruitment process into adult homosexuality:
    it is the conflicts surrounding the homosexual role rather
    than the childhood abuse *per se* which diminishes self-
    esteem and self-concept.[Bagley & King, 122]

Yup.  Molesting boys seems to be a recruiting process into
adult homosexuality.  That's not just some crazy guy at Optilink,
that's a professor of social work.

Note, also, that I am NOT saying that every homosexual is a child
molester, or is likely to be one.  As will be discussed later, 
the circumstances that cause someone to become a "fixated pedophile,"
the most dangerous sort of child molester, appear to be a bit more
specific than the circumstances that merely result in a molestation
victim becoming a homosexual.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
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