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From: kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Keir Buckhurst)
Subject: Looking for B/W Backdrop program
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:33:06 GMT

Hey there.

I am looking for a shareware/public domain program that puts macpaint
pictures as desktops for small b/w macs (a SE).  It also needs to be system
7 compatable.  I tried backdrop from the archives, but it did not work. 
Does anyone have any other suggestions?

thanks,

keir

kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu



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From: cottle@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (David M. Cottle)
Subject: Re: Music editor for Apple Mac
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.213050.27628@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely) writes:
>Lime sounds fine - but is there anything equivalent for a PC?  I am aware of

The PC version of Lime, I mean, should be finished by spring.

dmc
From: wrowe@reed.edu (Wayne S. Rowe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Quicktime
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:52:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.045238.22217
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

I just aquired Quicktime with the purcahse of my new Mac, but cannot figure
out how to access Quicktime movies with the extension file. Is an application
required to launch the movies? The docs say the scrapbook file can view
movies but there is no way to move the movies into the scrapbook file. Any
help would be greatly appreciated!

Wayne
From: collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How to get files by mail from sumex?
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:37:04 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Could somebody mail be the instructions on how to request files by mail
from sumex?

Thanks.
Collin
collin@brahms.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:34:40 EST
Subject: Re: Apple menu is acting very strange! HELP!!!

Try reinstalling the system and rebuilding the desktop!

- BulkRate, the offline reader for FirstClass(I'm quoted in MACWEEK-Nov
9)-darren_tong@fourd.com

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From: jaf@kepler.unh.edu (James A Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: HELP w/Quantum harddisk, SC HD won't recognize
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:13:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <17720003@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers) writes:
>A friend just found a great deal on a Quantum 80 meg hardrive...
>if I can make it work.  It's a 3.5" with an Apple sticker.  I
>tried the SC HD Setup that came with System 7 and no luck!
>
>I get a message that it "can't read the necessary info from the
>drive" and can't get any further.  Ideas?  The other thing which
>may have some bearing on this is that there is a short length of
>flat cable coming off the drive, ending in a keyed connector with
>four holes. There is nothing like this coming off my current 40 
>meg drive.  This cable is in addition to the connectors for the
>power and SCSI.

The extra cable sounds like the thin (4 or 5 leads?) wire that goes to
the SCSI id select switch on an external case.  If so, the cable should
come out of the connector on the drive, and a resistor or jumper will have
to replace it to give it SCSI id 0.  In addition, if it came from an external
drive, you'll need to make sure that the three flat multi-pin black resistors 
are in place just behind the larger of the two connectors, as these are the
termination resistors required for an internal drive.  I don't have the
specifics of which pins, etc to set the SCSI id but I can get them if you
don't get any better help  (Email me).
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From: ssartori@iat.holonet.net (Steven Sartorius)
Subject: Re: Logo language for Mac?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:39:29 GMT

joel@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Joel Noble) writes:
: 
: does anyone have any pointers to logo (free, shareware, or commercial)
: for the Mac?  Thanks.
: 

Try Object Logo from Paradigm Software. They are based in Cambridge, MA
but I don't happen to have their number handy.  OL is a nice, solid
version of Logo with some object oriented features.  It runs reasonably
fast because procedures are first compiled before running.  I use it to
put together "quick and dirty " programs and to test algorithms.

steve

Usual disclaimer - no affiliation with Paradigm Software other than as a
satisfied customer.
From: stern6@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler: Any Reviews?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:05:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.stern6.722138708

deitrich@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Deitrich) writes:

>Anyway, while looking for solutions I saw an add for AutoDoubler, a program 
>that automatically compresses your files to give you more room.  Has anyone
>used this product?  Are there any bad points or pitfalls I should look out
>for?  Can I just use AutoDoubler, or do I have to buy the company's other
>program DiskDoubler too?

I used AutoDoubler for a while; since version 1.04 or so (the current is
1.07). I liked it at first, but the problems nagged at me for a long time,
and I shelled out for Times Two the other day (details to follow).

AutoDoubler worked well under the best of circumstances, but too often
circumstances weren't perfect. The Labels which told it which files to
ignore would disappear, or the program would elect to ignore them.
It would balk at running with File Sharing on, and so on. Problems were
generally solvable by reinstalling the program, but if you forgot to tell
the new copy to ignore certain files, they would get nailed again.

The worst parts was that the drive became essentially unusable without
AutoDoubler turned on. Aliases to AutoDoubled items behaved bizarrely,
it at all, and running a compressed program would not decompress all its
associated modules/files, resulting in crippled performace unless you went
back by hand and decompressed the necessary things.

It worked, but was a bit of a drag.

TimesTwo is a compressing disk driver. Everything written to your hard drive
is compressed, everything read from it is decompressed. Because this is
driver-level, it requires no init and compresses everything written to the
drive. If you install it on a removable hard drive and mount the drive on
a new computer, it still works.

Problems? It's brand new and untested. Otherwise, I like it much better than
AutoDoubler.

Stern

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                              *   for then someone takes them away."  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Subject: 32-bit cleaner needed...
Organization: Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:42:02 GMT

I have heard in various places that there is an init/cdev
which patches the system for older Macs like the Mac Plus
and Mac SE to make it 32-bit clean. ( for use if you put
an accelerator in there) Does anyone know if such a beast 
exists and if so how to get hold of it?

I am making my own accelerator in the lab here and am at 
the point in the design where I need to know if I can 
assume a 32-bit clean system and put things outside the 
24-bit address space of a 68000 based Mac.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: S1.SAF@isumvs.iastate.edu (Scotty Feickert)
Subject: How to decompress .cpt files?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:07:37 GMT

What program is needed to decompress files ending in .cpt and
where is the program available?  I'm wondering if it's Compact Pro,
but I can't seem to find it listed in any mail-order ads.

I've discovered the wonderful world of FTP, but can't decompress
above-mentioned files.

Thanks
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:16:42 -0500 
From: Robert Agustin <ra00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Duo opinions wanted...

I'm considering purchasing either a Duo 210 or 230 and would like Duo
owners' opinions/experiences/etc. about their new machine.  Any
problems, annoyances, pet peeves?  Are you satisfied with its
compatibility and performance?  What are the docks like?

Thanks

Robert

P.S. - please email responses to me (ra00@andrew.cmu.edu) and I will
summerize to this bboard if there is enough interest (sp?).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: nwc1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Subject: Re: Mac mail programs? Advice, please!
Reply-To: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:23:54 GMT

I recommend and use Eudora (for info try s-dorner@qualcomm.com). It lets
you keep the mail on the server if you want, and otherwise has lots of
features, works well. Mr. Dorner has obviously put a lot of work into eudora.


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From: S2.RSB@isumvs.iastate.edu (Bob Boston)
Subject: Re: Hiding the System Folder
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:42:33 GMT

In article <1ebs1aINNpkv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
labb-3ff@web-3b.berkeley.edu (Peter Yung) writes:
>Is there any shareware
>out there that will let us lock the users out of the system folder?
>

Our Comp Center is using a program called RevRdist to protect their system
disks.  The program runs at startup, comparing stuff on the system disk with
a copy of the disk kept on the network server.  If the two do not agree, the
program eliminates the Wrong Stuff, downloads the Right Stuff and restarts the
computer.  I think you can set RevRdist to do the same thing with application
software as well as system software.

Here's a copy of the RevRdist README file:

=========================================================================
RevRdist is a Macintosh program used to keep local hard disks synchronized
with a master copy on an AppleShare server.  Typical use is in a student Mac
lab.

The following files are available from cc.purdue.edu (128.210.9.2):

-rw-r--r--  1 aeh        104804 Oct 16 17:16 pub/mac/RevRdist+INITs.sea.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 aeh         88984 Oct 16 17:16 pub/mac/RevRdist.doc.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 aeh        424324 Oct 16 17:15 pub/mac/RevRdist.sea.hqx

RevRdist.doc.hqx is the Word 4.0 administrator's guide to RevRdist.

RevRdist+INITs.sea.hqx is a StuffIt self-extracting archive of the
RevRdist application and two versions of its INIT, RevRINIT and
RevRINIT MF.  RevRINIT MF and RevRINIT are identical except that the MF
version forces the Mac to boot into MultiFinder, no matter what might
be set via "Set Startup..."

RevRdist.sea.hqx is the complete distribution of RevRdist THINK C 5.0
sources.  It includes the documentation, application, sample configurations,
and INITs.  If you fetch this file, you do not need the others.

RevRdist runs under either System 6 or 7.

This is version 1.4.0.8 of RevRdist.

RevRdist and its sources are in the public domain.  However, it uses a
HyperCard XCMD written by Landon Dyer of Apple.  This XCMD is not public
domain, but it is redistributable.

RevRdist uses the public domain TransSkel, TransDisplay, and simpledialog
packages by Paul DuBois, to whom I am indebted.

It also uses the Bullet Field Manager, by Chris Johnson.

Dale Talcott, Purdue University Computing Center
aeh@cc.purdue.edu, {purdue,pur-ee}!cc.purdue.edu!aeh, aeh@purccvm.bitnet
==================================================================

I hope this looonnnggg response helps to answer your question.

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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From: zz1bb@impending.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Hiding the System Folder
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:14:32 GMT
Distribution: usa

In <BxvzAy.81r@news.iastate.edu> S2.RSB@isumvs.iastate.edu (Bob Boston) writes:

>In article <1ebs1aINNpkv@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>labb-3ff@web-3b.berkeley.edu (Peter Yung) writes:
>>Is there any shareware
>>out there that will let us lock the users out of the system folder?
>>

>Our Comp Center is using a program called RevRdist to protect their system
>disks.  The program runs at startup, comparing stuff on the system disk with
>a copy of the disk kept on the network server.  If the two do not agree, the
>program eliminates the Wrong Stuff, downloads the Right Stuff and restarts the
>computer.  I think you can set RevRdist to do the same thing with application
>software as well as system software.

RevRDist won't do any good if, as Peter wrotes, users move the System file
out to the desktop.  At UCSD, we use ResEdit to make the System Folder
invisible.  Anyone with ResEdit (or similar utility) can make it visible
again, but it keep the casual hackers out.

We also use RevRDist to keep the disks up-to-date and KeyServer to prevent
pirating of our software.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome)
Subject: Re: A folder from hell... and the solution
Summary: How to repair the problem...
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:18:44 GMT

In article <laug.721975993@sfu.ca> laug@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher Lau) writes:
>James.Porter@mechanic.Fidonet.org (James Porter) writes:
>
>>MSM>In article <1992Oct28.181911.24227@ee.rochester.edu>
>>MSM>strong@ee.rochester.edu (John Strong) writes:
>>MSM>>>
>>MSM>>I would try to boot the Mac from an external floppy, then try throwing awa
>>MSM>>the three files, then the folder.
>
>>MSM>Yes, we tried this also.  We have also tried re-building the desktop and
>>MSM>throwing the items away with the option key held down.  Still won't go away
>
>>MSM>Thanks for your suggestions... and please keep sending them!!
>
>>Try DISKTOOLS it usually will move files that wont move otherwise.
>
>>JAmes
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>
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>
>  I had a similar problem a while ago and if you have tried everything and
>nothing works then do what I did..re-install the system!
>But I think there is an easier way to solve this problem, get HellFolder
>from an ftp archive site.
>
>I think this program (Hellfolder) can be obtained from sumex.
>
>

You can also use the program that comes with system 7.1, Disk First Aid.
I had the same problem and it did repair it very well (I could throw the
damn' thing in the trash after).

Hope this helps everyone!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm)
Subject: Re: HELP: Need a Font Name for calligraphy like font!
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.175836.3776@news2.cis.umn.edu>, Seokmin Ahn <smahn@vx.cis.umn.edu> writes:
|> Hi, netters,
|> 
|> Would you help me out for this one?
|> My friend asked me a print out nice invitation card  for his wedding.
|> He asked a calligraphic style font.
|> I searched Sumex, but no font named similar to "calligra..".
|> 
|> Would you tell me which font is close enough or similar to calligraphic
|> style?
|> Any suggestion for any fonts which may be used in wedding invitation
|>  will be appreciated.
|> 
|> Thank you.

I have had lots of good results with Black Chancery, available on the 
standard archives.

-storm

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Subject: Re: Colour Powerbooks
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:46:09 GMT

wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:

>here, how long before these things come out? If colour PB's are
>only a year or so down the line, why bother buying one of the
>current models?

That is always a subjective decision that you must make as the
purchaser, for everything, not just computers.  Why buy a car this year,
when next year they will have better mileage and CD players?  Why buy
a stereo now, when next year it will be cheaper and smaller and
have a remote?  Etc.

You can never catch up - as soon as the color pb comes out, then
there will be more colors and faster.  And then 3D color.  Or something
better.  Buy when you can't wait any longer.  If you can wait forever,
then you never needed to buy.


Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: FRENCH language keyboard files Wanted
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:18:35 GMT

I need a copy of the French language Keyboard and International Control Panels
Could someone binhex a copy of each and e-mail them to me.  I don't think Apple
object to that sort of thing (they let User Groups do it).

I'll need one for both 7.0 and, if possible, for 7.1.

Merci en avance,

Fergus Sullivan.
Trinity College, Dublin.
internet:  fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,aus.mac
From: pug@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron)
Subject: Re: MacEKG or StarTrek screensaver info?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:36:15 GMT

tnorthtj@cc.curtin.edu.au (Tim North) writes:

>Does anyone have any information/reviews/warnings regarding either of the
>following two products?

>  1.	MacEKG (a hardware diagnostic program) or

>  2.	Star Trek screen-saver.

The latest Aussie macworld has a small writeup about it in the "christmas
goodies" section or some such thing. There is also an advertisement for ot
in there as well.


> 
>Regards,
>Tim North.
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From: ayh@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Ann Hopkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Stylewriter and Greyscale?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:40:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Loral - WDL

In article <1992Nov20.024500.1809@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>,
cgallagher@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu wrote:
> 
> In article <1352@my.sm.luth.se>, matti@my.sm.luth.se (Matti Larborn) writes:
> > In article <1992Nov17.213733.334@mksol.dseg.ti.com> niels r martin,
> > martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com writes:
> >>I know that the Stylewriter has the capability of printing greys--how???
> > 
> > I would also like to know more about this. I have tried different
> > programs, but it seems as they doesn't support this feature on the
> > stylewriter.
> > 
> > Great Works seems to at least try this, because when printing a shaded
> > picture (gray scale) to a StyleWriter it works and works and works
> > and......(for about 20 minutes or so), but finally it prints the shade as
> > dot graphic.
> > 
> > Another program doing exactly the same work does it in on or two minutes.
> > (I don't remember the name of this program) Neither program prints real
> > gray scale. This should be possible with the stylewriter!
> 
> 
> 	I heard a rumor when the StyleWriter came out that it wouldn't 
> do grey scales like the HP's do.
> 

Delta Tao (The people who gave you the game Spaceward Ho) has an init
called Wonder Print.  It greatly improves printing greyscale as well as
making it print faster on printers like the stylewriter.

It also seems to speed up printing to Laserwriter's as well.

I got my copy directly from them.  I can't remember the price less than
$50.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lewis@netcom.com (David Lewis)
Subject: Print GENERIC PostScript to file?
Summary: Is there a printer driver which will produce a generic PostScript
Keywords: PostScript printer drivers
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:45:51 GMT

	I'd like to be able to print to a generic PostScript file,
i.e. one which can be sent over the net to people with non-Apple
printers. Is there a print driver, either PD or commercial, which will
do this?
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From: rgbrib@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Bribiescas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Dim, fuzzy, SE screen
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:41:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov22.104112.17687
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science CenterI've got an SE 4/20 with a dim, fuzzy screen (yes, I turned the

Rick B.
Biological Anthropology
Harvard University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:34:57 EST
Subject: Re: Hiding the System Folder

Peter Yung,
Use resedit or disktop to make the folder invisible

- BulkRate, the offline reader for FirstClass(I'm quoted in MACWEEK-Nov
9)-darren_tong@fourd.com

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