From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Lehi and nazies
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:03:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231549.23340@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
|>In a previous article, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) says:
|>
|>>Shamirs actions in offering to aid the NAZIs who were busy perfecting
|>>methods of murdering Jews is hardly consistent with the goal of "saving
|>>Jewish lives". It is however entirely consistent with the theory that
|>>Shamir was only interested in forming a dictatorial state with himself
|>>as leader. 
|>
|>Let's get real here.  Shamir wasn't offering aid;  he was trying to deal
|>with them in order to save Jewish lives.  There's a significant difference,
|>which you are totally ignoring.

Shamir *was* offering aid. The document deals exclusively with a pact between
LEHI and the NAZIs. It does not make any reference whatsoever to emigration.


|>>You will have to demonstrate
|>>cases after May 1940 in which the British were preventing evacuation of
|>>refugees whose sole concern was fleeing from the NAZIs.
|>
|>Ever hear of the Exodus?  Even after the war was over, Britain continued to
|>prevent Jews from entering their homeland.

After the war was over there was no reason to evacuate refugees to Palestine.
Allowing such imigration would have been a breach of the mandate. The British
only had permission to administer the territory.


|>>You will also
|>>have to show that Shamir's attempts to support the NAZIs would have
|>>assisted this.
|>
|>You're the one who's made the accusations.  The burden of proof is on you,
|>especially since the sole aim of Shamir's actions was to save Jews.

This is a complete fabrication. The document is an offer to collaborate with the
NAZIs with the aim of expelling the British and setting up a fascist state. 


>In a previous article, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) says:
>
>>
>>In 1941, while Lehi were busy trying to start negotiations with Hitler, the
>>British were busy fighting him.
>>
>... while, by their illegal restrictions on Jewish immigration into the
>land they were committed to reestablish as the Jewish homeland, they
>simultaneously helped ease the path for Hitler's efforts against the Jews.

Point of fact, the Balfour declaration was not an offer of a Jewish state, it
was an offer to allow Jewish administration of a colony within the British
empire. It was also in no way binding since it was merely an executive order,
not a treaty. In the UK no parliament can bind it's sucessor so unless you have
a declaration from the monarch you have nothing. Tory governments are liars, so
what is new?

Also you betray your predjudices by describing the British imigration
restrictions as "illegal". You might be able to argue that they were immoral,
however illegal they certainly were not. The concept of immigration restrictions
is quite well established in international law. It will take quite astounding
contortions to find a case *in law* for immigration by virtue of belonging to a
religion/culture that left the area 2000 years ago and denying it to people born
in the area to families which had lived there for many generations.


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Phill Hallam-Baker