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From: urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Richard Urena)
Subject: Re: Spanish translation of technical terms
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:22:20 GMT

In article <f3V=YFA@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>Could someone help me translate the following English aeronautical engineering
>terms into the proper Spanish words (that is, the words used when refering to
>the same thing).  None of my Spanish speaking friends are familiar with the
>proper word for these.  Here they are:

I don't know all of them either, but I'll give it a shot:

>	glider   = planedor

>	computer aided design

       No idea. I'd like to know the translation to this one myself.

>	Tip chord
>	Root chord

The wing chord is "cuerda del ala" in Spanish.  Presumably, tip chord
would be "cuerda de la punta" and root chord would be "cuerda de
la ra'iz" but I'm not sure about that.

>	span

Span (as in wingspan) is "envergadura"

>	Main wing  = ala principal
>	Stabilizer  =  estabilizador
>	Vertical tail = cola vertical 
>	Fuselage = fuselaje  (note the j)
>	
>	Angle of attack = a'ngulo de ataque
>	Stabilizer incidence angle = a'ngulo de incidencia del
estabilizador
>	
>	center of gravity = centro de gravedad
>	neutral point = punto neutral
>	pitching moment  

"Pitching" in this case is translated as "cabeceo" and I've heard
pitching moment being referred to as "momento de cabeceo" but
maybe this is a barbarism.

>	lift  = sustentacio'n
>	drag = carga
>	forces = fuerza
>	velocity = velocidad

-- 
  -=[                      Richard Urena                      ]=-
  -=[                urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu                ]=-
From: alvarev@ECF.TORONTO.EDU (ALVAREZ VICTOR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: CENSUS BUREAU RELEASED NATIONAL ANCESTRY FIGURES.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:49:24 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ALVAREZ VICTOR <alvarev@ECF.TORONTO.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


      What the fuck is "white"??!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto)
Subject: Sao Paulo 2  , Barcelona  1
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:40:15 GMT

Sao Pauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulo
campeao do mundo.
From: naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 1992 12:32:11 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: <naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hey! Hoy es cuando hay que felicitar las Navidades, y no
dos semanas antes, como todos los desaprensivos/as que se
largaron a Espa#a sin ninguna consideracion, y a estas horas
se estaran poniendo ciegos/as de buenos manjares...   :-D

Aqui en Jersey se hace lo que se puede, y al menos nos hemos
podido agenciar un pulpito (sin acento) en Newark que sera
adecuadamente cocido y deglutido en escasas horas. Hemos
montado un agape hispano-aleman de cuatro miembros (no todos
viriles) que sin duda reforzara los lazos que nos unen a
nuestros compatriotas comunitarios.

        Disfrutad y sed buenos/as.


        FELIZ NAVIDAD.


                        Luis Naval
                        Muray Hill, NJ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: muino@nitrogen.oscs.montana.edu (Pedro Muino)
Subject: Liga de "furbo"
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:46:19 GMT



	Hola a todos:

      Esta manhana, Ruben Zurita me ha mandado los resultados de la liga
de futbol. Aqui van.


	Ath. Bilbao 1 - Valencia 4
	Zaragoza 0 - Deportivo 2          YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
	Osasuna 2 - R. Sociedad 0
	Celta 0 - Tenerife 1
	Oviedo 3 - Burgos 0
	Cadiz 2 - Sporting 3 (golazo de Iordanov en el min 90, un obus 
			      por toda la escuadra desde 30-35 mts.)
	Espanyol 1 - Albacete 0
        Rayo 3 - Barcelona 3
        Sevilla 2 - Madrid 0
        At. Madrid 0 - Logronhes 1



      Y dentro de dos dias me voy a casa a pasar el fin de anho, porque ya
llego un poquitillo tarde para la Navidad.

      Y como decimos al otro lado de Pedrafita: " Bon Nadal e prospero ano
novo" para todos

      
------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Pedro de Oleiros       |   Campanas de Bastabales,
			       |   cando vos oio tocar
			       |   morrome de soidades
			       
						Rosalia de Castro

 e-mail to:	ichpcpm@earth.oscs.montana.edu
From: naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 1992 08:52:39 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: <naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Ron,

Probably the best place to gather the information you requested
on import/export regulations is the Spanish Chamber of Commerce.
You may contact them by writing to the:

        Spanish Chamber of Commerce
        350 Fifth Ave.
        New York, NY  (Sorry, I cannot recall the ZIP code)

or via telephone:

         (212) 967 2170

You are welcome.


                Luis Naval
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: rivas@fraser.sfu.ca (Jorge David Rivas)
Subject: TOMAS (FROM LUND)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:58:34 GMT

 Tomas, here goes my fathers address:

Luis Rivas Gonzalez
Cortijo Malpasillo s/n
18110 Las Gabias
Granada, SPAIN

I wish I could give you a phone number, but he's got a cellular phone and right
now he cannot get incoming calls (there is no antenna). He is supposed to call
me the 28th, and then I'll tell him about you, so feel free to drop by when you
are in Spain.
Sorry for not sending e-mail, but I lost your address :(
See ya
.

-- 
 jorge david rivas (rivas@sfu.ca)    __@ !!  /  "It has taken mankind a million
  undergrad (Math & Stats)         _(\<,_   /  years to alter irreversibly the
SIMON FRASER UNIV, BC. CANADA     (X)/ (X) / planet, something whales could not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ do in ten times as long"  :(
From: mvinuela@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU (Miguel Vinuela)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Felicidades
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:56:35 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Miguel Vinuela <mvinuela@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Esta noche es Nochebuena y manana es Navidad. Felices Pascuas.

Miguel Vinuela                          Internet:mvinuela@cc.gettysburg.edu
Gettysburg College                      Telephone:(717) 337-6861
From: alvarev@ECF.TORONTO.EDU (ALVAREZ VICTOR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: examenes
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:55:40 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ALVAREZ VICTOR <alvarev@ECF.TORONTO.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


      Hostia!!(con h), como se nota que toda la pen~a esta' de examenes. No hay
+ ni deus en la lista. En fin, que la onomastica de hoy es San Cate.
El barSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSa perdio' contral Sao Paulo. Puta madre, oiga!!!
Hala Madrid!!!
                    Hasta los gu:evos
                                  Victor
From: fzurdo@CRONO.TEB.UPM.ES (Fernando Zurdo Robledo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: viaje a Madrid
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: Fernando Zurdo Robledo <fzurdo@CRONO.TEB.UPM.ES>
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Permiteme llamarte Garcia, pues en realidad no se cual es tu nombre. Quizas me
despiste con un e-mail y te envie a ti el que creia dirigido a Susan.
De cualquier forma, me alegra que me hayas contestado aclarandome tal circunstan
   cia
y ofreciendote a establecer un intercambio idiomatico. Ya sabes que tengo
interes por mantener una cierta comunicacion con gente del "otro lado del
Atlantico" en ambos sentidos. Por eso, no me importaria, sino todo lo contrario,
comunicarme con alguno de tus estudiantes de forma bilingue. Thanks a lot and
"read" you the next year because I am going on Christmas vacacion next Wednesday
   .

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Feliz Navidad y Prospero anio 1993.
Take care.
           Fernando          (fzurdo@crono.teb.upm.es)
From: sneeler@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Steve Snow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: PNV <ESPANA-L%ALBNYVM1.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu>
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:08:45 GMT
Reply-To: Steve Snow <sneeler@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Me dicen que Felipe quizas tendria que formar una coalicion con el
Partido Nacionalista Vasco si el PSOE no gana una mayoria en las proximas
elecciones.

Me podriais decir algo del PNV?  Pues si, viene del Pais Vasco, pero en
que creen sus miembros?  Son partidarios del mercado libre?  Del Estado
Providencia?

(Cuidado!  Rispondere con mas preguntas.)

gracias

Steve Snow  <sneeler@u.washington.edu>
From: naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Eurodisney fhsn_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Date: 30 Dec 1992 08:49:53 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: <naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Well, if you can read Spanish, I could fax you a short article
that was published approximately four weeks ago, in a general
information magazine from Spain, Cambio 16.

It probably does not say much, but it has several interesting
points on why Eurodisney is not doing well at all (in fact
they are losing tons of money).

Let me know if you are interested, and your fax number (i don't
have scanner...)

Luis Naval
From: mmujica@CCRIT.DOC.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:13:40 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: <mmujica@CCRIT.DOC.CA>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Message <9212181513.AA14757@relay.CDNnet.CA> not delivered to Martin Mujica
 <mmujica@ccrit.doc.ca>.
Non-delivery reason: auto-forwarded.
 Non-delivery qualifier: expired.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: mpg92115@dit.upm.es (Cesar Alba Perez)
Subject: Re: Spanish translation of technical terms
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:47:05 GMT

	Hello Michael.

	About your Technical Terms:
Computer aided design. In a non-technical context 'Disen~o asistido por ordenador', it is a literal translation. In a technical context, simply CAD.

	Hope it has been been useful. Merry Xmas

	Cesar. Madrid. mpg92115@oasis.dit.upm.es
Organization: Valencia Uiversity (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:57:27 EST
From: <LOPEZJ@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Grocerias...

Queridisima Mari:
       No sabes cuan grato placer me causo leer tu esplendida y
luminosa nota en las cavernas oscuras de la lista espanhola. No
tenia idea de la existencia de damas como tu en este final de
siglo luchando por el mantenimiento de la pureza y dignidad de
nuestro lenguaje, (-:, incluso cuando se transfiere con 0s y 1s.
Como es posible la existencia de seres tan perversos que se atrevan
a mancillar las inmaculadas lineas de la red? Existe algun castigo
posible para tales personas? Respondenos a estas cuestiones pues la
moral del pais depende de eso.
                         Se despide, un caballero...


   (No te lo tomes a mal, pero me hizo mucha gracia tu nota)
                     100(-:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: mpg92115@dit.upm.es (Cesar Alba Perez)
Subject: Re: Liga de futbol
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:56:19 GMT

	Veamos. No recuerdo todos.

	Sevilla-Madrid 2-0  
	At.Madrid-Logro~nes 0-1 :-D
	Rayo- Barcelona 3-3 (Llegaron a ir 3-1).
	Ath. Bilbao- Zaragoza 1-4.
	El Depor gano 2-0 a no recuerdo quien.

	Man~ana me entero del resto.

	Felices fiestas .

Cesar.
From: melgosa@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Merche Perez Melgosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: El Gordo de Navidad!!!
Date: 23 Dec 1992 10:59:28 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Merche Perez Melgosa <melgosa@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hola Coleguis:

        Seria alguno de los neteros que se encuentran en Espana tan amable
de poner cual ha sido el Gordo de Navidad?
        Aunque al otro lado del Atlantico hay algunos por aqui que tenemos
participaciones el alguno que otro numero y nos gustaria saber si todavia
estamos a tiempo de coger el Concorde y presentarnos en casa a comer el
Asadito de Ternera.
        A ver si alguien bien enrrollado hace el favor de mandar los
premios principales.
        Muchas Gracias
        Merche
From: valor@MIT.EDU (Josep Valor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Dios
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:22:49 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Josep Valor <valor@MIT.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 > Se confirma totalmente que (Gracias a Dios) el Barcelona perdio la
 > copa Intercontinental por 2 a 1 frente al Sao Paulo

Tambien es curioso que haga falta la intervencion de Dios para que
pierda el Barcelona....

Feliz Navidad.
From: GARCIA%DENISON.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: viaje a Madrid
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:25:14 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: <GARCIA%DENISON.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hola Fernando.  Gracias por tu oferta de comunicacion con mis estudiantes.
Temo que haya sido otra Susan la que te ha solicitado tal intercambio.
Sin embargo, si quieres practicar ingles por tu parte, adelante.  En
realidad yo tambien tengo estudiantes que podrian aprovechar una
experiencia de intercambio electronico, pero no quiero usurpar a la
Susana que te ha escrito antes.
From: antoni@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Antoni Drudis)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:06:47 GMT
Subject: ALDEEU: asamblea anual en abril '93
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain



<< escribo a continuacion un resumen de la carta de invitacion
   a la asamblea de ALDEEU.   Si alguien esta interesado en
   saber el detalle, por favor, mandadme vuestro numero de fax
   o vuestra direccion postal y os mandare una fotocopia >>


XIII ASAMBLEA GENERAL DE ALDEEU.  15, 16 y 17 de Abril de 1993
_______________________________________________________________

A celebrar en Boston, Ma

1- Ponencias relativas a los campos de trabajo de los miembros 
   actuales de ALDEEU:

    Critica literaria y ensen~anza del espan~ol
    Economia y negocios
    Creacion artistica y traduccion
    Medicina
    Leyes
    Ingenieria y Arquitectura
    Medios de comunicacion
    Medio ambiente
    Herencia y presencia de lo espan~ol en Norteamerica

2- La invitacion se extiende tambien a profesionales de comunidades 
   hispanas, espan~olas o relacionadas con lo espan~ol (ejemplos:
   Mexico, Brasil, Comunidad Hispana en USA, comunidad Sefardi)

3- En la asamblea se propondran unidades de trabajo para analizar
   la posibilidad de proyectos conjuntos (USA-Spain)

4- La asamblea invita tambien a personas que deseen presentar 
   material sobre Espan~a.



Plazo limite para presentar algun trabajo: 31 de enero de 1993

Mas informacion

  Isabel Campoy
  (617) 628-8613 (particular) 

  Arie Vicente
  (617) 891-7613 (particular)



NO olvideis que el telefono es de Boston, por lo que si llamais
de California _no_ es educado llamar a medianoche :-)   Los
organizadores _no_ desean tampoco que su telefono vaya a parar
a 'malas manos'  (--> no junk phone calls)


Antoni Drudis
(408) 447 5109, o bien...
(408) 555 1212  :-)
From: rivas@fraser.sfu.ca (Jorge David Rivas)
Subject: Re: Informe mensual del COP (12/92)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:29:16 GMT

In article <9212301801.AA54081@cpuserver.acsc.com> <naval@PHYSICS.ATT.COM> writes:

<un monton borrado>

>  "la cantidad de grocerias que he leido en el poco tiempo que llevo leyendo"
>                  ^^^^^^^^^
>   +++ Tu eres de las que cuando vas al "grocero" a por comestibles te
>       dice "grocerias"??
>
>
>-------------- Informe mensual del COP (fin) ----------------------

Luisillo, me parece recordar que la dama que escribio esa frase es de Puerto
Rico (que me corrija si estoy equivocado). Por tanto me imagino que el uso del
termino "grocerias" pudiera estar justificado (aunque es muy posible que ella
quisiera decir groserias).
Creo que lo que estoy intentando decir es que el castellano abarca mucho mas que
lo que se habla en Espa~a y, por tanto, el COP debe tener cuidado cuando decide
lo que es correcto y lo que no (?como sabe un espa~ol vocabulario que solo se
utiliza en partes especificas de latinoamerica?).

FELZ A~O NUEVO A TODOS------------HAPPY NEW YEAR   :)

-- 
 jorge david rivas (rivas@sfu.ca)    __@ !!  /  "It has taken mankind a million
  undergrad (Math & Stats)         _(\<,_   /  years to alter irreversibly the
SIMON FRASER UNIV, BC. CANADA     (X)/ (X) / planet, something whales could not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ do in ten times as long"  :(
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:43:05 GMT

In article <BzLFvo.B4A@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.013757.24309@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>What is alarming (for the KMT, that is) is that for the first time ever, the
>>DPP got more than 50% vote in several districts/counties/municipalities.
>>In the northern district of Taipei, for example, the DPP carried a majority.
>>The only seat in Chiayi also went to DPP.
>If it is that dangerously close to TI(if DDP win). Why in the hell KMT is still
>reluctant to have direct dialog with CCP?

Because KMT will not sacrifice Taiwan's people to CCP for whatever reason.
I don't prefer TI. But the least thing I would like to see is Taiwan's
people being ruled by CCP.

>KMT may have to bear full responsibility if DDP win in the future for missing 
>the opertunity for unification. bloodshed will be certainly the outcome for TI,
>sooner or later.

You don't know much about democracy, do you?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan, UN, PRC [Was Re: more than 50% support TI]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.230254.8998@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>From article <1992Dec31.180236.609@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, by li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li):
>> 
>> Most of us want Taiwan return to the UN. But PRC has veto rights it can be
>> extremely difficult. 
>
>I am not sure about the above argument. Are there experts who can help us
>to clarify it? It's even better that the source of reference is given.
>
>Do USA have right to veto Texas' applying for entering UN when Texas
>declare independence after a Texas referendum?
>
>How about Tibet (if they can have one referendum someday) ?
>
>How about Taiwan?

I think the veto rights are the case; that was the reason why the Baltic States
were not admitted to the United Nations initially when they declared
independence.  Not until the failed coup did Russia agree to not to use the
veto powers to block their entry.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16497 soc.culture.china:33436
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec23.054150.14280@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>	u think i have so much time writing all this sh*t,
>	u think u are so busy and don't have time to flame
>	me back...well, i don't care your comments and why don't
>	u just get on with your sophisticated reasoning and
>	arguing on other topics.......gosh. get off my back, sucker.

Hello, dude. I guess you got strange logic here. In one of your previous
postings, you said

        "if u don't care then why don't u just f*ck off, gees."

Now, you say

        "i don't care your comments...gosh. get off my back, sucker."

You see? In your logic, if people don't care, people should "f*ck off",
and when you don't care, people should get off your back and become a
"sucker". Both you and your opponents "don't care", but this something
"off" always belongs to your opponents.

Shouldn't you be more consistent in your logic, seb?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao)
Subject: Re: more than 50% support TI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:11:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.163230.1413@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>
>One example, how do we get some radio bands for our own research use
>even though we have our own satellite? Taiwan is not a member in UN
>and almost all of its suborganizations. We even don't have a chance
>to apply for radio bands. Re-enter international society is one of
>the most important keys to our economic reform. Independence is
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a better reason and a better way for us to reach the goal. Whether
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>someone can introduce a better reason and a better way?
>
>Heng-Hsin

Let me just humblly re-iterate the line, Independence won't get us back to
UN. again,

Independence *won't* get us back to UN!!!

I don't understand why some people fail to recognize this unfortunate fact.
The better way? Actually it is happening now, people from Taiwan (among other
places) are investing in mainland china. Sooner or later (sooner I hope), a
sizable middle class will be established in mainland, then demacracy won't
be too far away, till then, most of the problem memtioned above will say bye-bye.
So, in addition to further developing Taiwan, help mainland to be prosperous
and democratic, that is the buttom line of all these mess. According the 
speed of progress in mainland, it won't be so far away. Mark my words,
within 10 years, we will see a semi-democratic gov't in mainland.

Eric


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: Article about Election in Taiwan.
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 04:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.021730.15808@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec17.162725.29658@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>>
>Just did... Is it true that some people being bought votes in the rural areas
>had to swear in front of a god to vote for that certain candidate???
>
>The article disturbs me, as far as vote-buying is concerned.

vote-buying is still far better than no-vote-to-buy:-)

Enjoy Democracy!

Luo Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean