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From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!! 
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:54:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.163655.10300@infonode.ingr.com>, tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman) writes:
 
  {lots of good stuff deleted}

|> 
|> 	To sum it up ...
|> 	
|> 		ch"A"mps	34
|> 		ch"UM"mps	13
|> 
|> 	PLEASE respond if you can think of anything to say !!!!  I kept my
|> 	mouth shut and let you all talk earlier and now theres nothing being

  To add to your comments:

  "You can tell the Bama players because they'll be the ones with sweaty palms;
why should they show up?  Bet your life and your wife:  Miami 36-6  (Doug Looney
Sports Illustrated)

  "Bear's Dead and Bama doesn't look good either"  Subject line of post in this
group last year after Florida beat Bama 35-0

  Many questioned Bama's hiring of someone who 'walks like Bear, talks like Bear,
etc' (especially after his 0-3 start).  No one mentioned he 'coaches like Bear'.

  "We're going to shut them down and we're going to win...  They will only be
running east and west against us"  Miami DB Rob Marley who was last seen flying
east to west

  Alabama clearly outplayed, outcoached, and outclassed the Hurricanes who looked
more like a spring shower. 

  1892-1992 Century of Champions
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:50:48 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) wrote:
}
}What was stopping the Sugar Bowl from offering a bid to Miami?  

The Sugar had made a shady, under-the-table verbal lock-in of
Notre Dame weeks earlier, just as Miami had made a verbal 
commitment to the Orange Bowl.  You know, these verbal 
commitments have been the norm throughtout the entire history
of college football and have always been done long before any
deadlines.  To deny this and to suggest that the bowls simply
woke up on bowl picking day with the option of selecting any 
team they wanted is to be truly naive.  Of course the fact that is
was a time-honored tradition to break the rules doesn't make it
any less despicable.

Pat Dye actually turned down a verbal offer from the Orange Bowl
because he had already verbally committed to the Citrus Bowl, in
a perverse but also perhaps sincere show of integrity.

}                      The Sugar had a chance last year to host a great
}game, yet, as far as I know, didn't even bother to contact the University
}of Miami and certainly didn't make much of an effort to get any team
}other than Notre Dame.

One could just as easily suggest that Miami had a chance to play in
a great game and to play the Florida team which they are supposedly
so eager to face, and yet didn't lift a finger to do anything
to get a Sugar Bowl invitation.

I do find your suggestion that the Sugar would have had to not only
invite Miami but put up an extra $600,000 to get them last year
amusing, however.  The Sugar Bowl paid $400,000 less than the Orange
Bowl again this year, so didn't the bowl coalition "force" Miami
to play in the Sugar after all?  I mean, without the coalition they
would surely have turned down the Sugar for the extra money, just
like '91, right?

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
From: mrm70@diag.amdahl.com (Mike McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:15:02 GMT
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan8.165309.3895@ncar.ucar.edu>, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
|> In article <f4uW02jn306s01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mrm70@diag.amdahl.com (Mike McAllister) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
|> >|> In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> >|>... 
|> >
|> >Before some NU fan goes off half-cocked and makes generalizing statements
|> >about all CU fans based on a couple CU fans response to this, I will go on
|> 
|> Ah come on Mike I was only trying to get a rise out of those NU fans whose
|> only purpose in life is to complain about CU. Why should the Alabama/Miami 
|> fans be the only ones flaming.:)

Actually I wasn't trying to get on anyone's case who has contributed to
this thread so far. Sorry if I wasn't clear. No broad generalizations yet. :)

|> >Watch out for flying Buffaloes in '93!
|> 
|> Damn straight. We've got the schedule (Miami, Stanford, Baylor, and Texas)

Peace and Love
Mike

|> Ethan Alpert  internet: ethan@ncar.ucar.edu | Standard Disclaimer:
|> Scientific Visualization Group,             | I represent myself only.
|> Scientific Computing Division               |-------------------------------
|> National Center for Atmospheric Research, PO BOX 3000, Boulder Co, 80307-3000
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:29:27 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <5JAN199313501992@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>Everyone else posted their comments, so here are mine.

>6 Long live Keith Jackson!  And may Brent Musburger be fired again.
Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
I have EVER had the misfortune to hear!  Musberger is far better,  at least
he doesn't make stupid mistakes like calling the teams by the wrong name like
he did in the UW AZ game.  Jeers to all the announcers who mindlessly read
from a script!  You must like him because he was the bearer of good news.  He's
no quality announcer.  Marv Albert is the king!
wessir
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Colorado Flying Beeves
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:32:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.165309.3895@ncar.ucar.edu>, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu
(Ethan Alpert) wrote:

> Damn straight. We've got the schedule (Miami, Stanford, Baylor, and Texas)

Which are home games? Miami and Baylor?

James
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:15:11 GMT

In article <n072=4-@rpi.edu>, kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) writes:
|>  I would like to know how Bama has done in all the computer polls out there.
|>  Sagarin, NY Times and Dendy have the Tide # 1.

    This truely amazes me.  *None* of the computer rankings had Alabama above
about #5 until they massacred miami.  At least, none that I saw.  I don't put 
much weight in them anyway.  While computers are great at crunching raw numbers,
they cannot take such human factors as emotion, tradition, preparation, etc. into
consideration and, as anyone who has played the game can attest, these
intangibles are often the most important.  I did note that *none* of the various
"systems" predicted Alabama to win over Miami except Chris Stassen's.  So much
for the worth of computer rankings...

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
        "I never saw him (Teague) coming."  --Loudmouth Thomas
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
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From: bill the cat <wessir@u.washington.edu>
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To: brent!al.sorhaindo@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Best pro prospect.

With 2 #1 draft picks in McQuire and Stauffer, it's hard to imagine them going
for yet another untested QB when they desperately need an offensive line.
I'd bet on Bledsoe going to NE Patriots and Lincoln Kennedy going to the 
Seahawks.  But then again, I bet on Miami.  :(
And I seriously doubt that Bledsoe is the second coming of Montana.  

wessir

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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Football - No fun, no future to it's players and recruits
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:01:07 GMT


In article <79071@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>
>So when Ohio State wins, the team gets the credit, but when they lose,
>Cooper takes the blame?
 
    When Ohio State wins, the team and Cooper get the credit, when they
lose, the team and Cooper share the lesson.
    
    If the young kids don't play well, you teach them and make them improve.
If the coach is proven unable to teach the kids play well, then the coach
is unfit in that capacity. That's that simple. 
    
    When Lawrence Funderburke could not play well under Bobby Knight, Bobby 
Knight failed in Funderburke's case. In Indiana, you don't fire Knight just
because he failed in Funderburke's case, (Knight is a proven capable coach,
all in all), so Funderburke goes.  
    
    When class after class can't play well under Cooper, Cooper failed. 
In Ohio State you don't abandon the football program, so Cooper should go.
(Cooper is a incapable coach, all in all)

   I hope I have made myself clear.
 
> And when Miami loses, it's not the coach's fault.
 
  Miami was outplayed, and outcoached by Alabama
 
  And, Dennis Erikerson is capable of handling the Miami program, proven
by the three years he's been there.  (Just like Cooper is not capable
of handling Ohio State's football program, proven by his years here)
There is no discrepency or contradiction here.

>No, we disagree with you that Cooper can't do the job!
 
   So we have a difference of opinions.
>
>Here again, many people don't view the Ohio State program as a failure.
 
   And probably more people do.

>Nor do they presume to speak for prep stars, as you appear to above.
 
  No, I don't. I was just presenting a perspective. And what I see is 
not that ridiculous nor unimaginable. Most prep stars want to go to
a winning program. When you decide to go to Ohio State, you think 
about playing Michigan, you think about Big Ten championship and Rose
Bowl. And you think about it, think about it, and you look at it, look at 
it, and you see, Ohio State and Cooper can't beat Michigan, can't win
Big Ten, can't go to Rose Bowl.  And you think about the programs in
Michigan, in Norte Dame, and you see they do win games of significance,
and this thinking does fact into the kid's decision.



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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:28:47 GMT

In article <93004.123631JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison) writes:
> > ... And may the 'Canes show the world what domination means and
> > explain the term humiliation to the Tide.

They did more than explain the term humiliation to the Tide.  I'd say
they provided a superb demonstration of the concept! :-)

If you have any doubts, please review the following plays:

[1] Teague chasing down Lamar "fastest human in the galaxy" Thomas and
    taking away the football.

[2] Teague high-stepping into the end zone after picking off one of
    Gino's special deliveries.

[3] Any of numerous plays that ended with Geno lying on the carpet
    enjoying the view of the Superdome roof, compliments of Copeland,
    Curry, et. al.

Next, picture the following meeting of BA (Blowhards Anonymous).

  Hi, I'm Lamar Thomas <Hi, Lamar!> and I've been humble for three days
  now.  <applause> I used to dance in front the the opposing fans, taunt
  the opposition, and turn back flips in front of bewildered defensive
  backs.  Then I met George Teague and the Alabama defense.  They
  changed my life.  <applause> He explained to me how if I wanted to
  talk the talk, I'd better be able to walk the walk.  Now before a big
  game, I just sip my gatorade quietly on the sidelines 

  Hi, I'm Stephen McGuire <Hi, Steve!> and I've been humble for three
  days now.  <applause> I once boasted that I would gain over 100
  against the Alabama defense.  Then I met John Copeland and Eric Curry. 
  They changed my life.  <applause> Their friend Antonion Langham
  explained to me how I shouldn't go around writing checks my body
  couldn't cash. 

  Hi, I'm Gino <Hi, Geno!> and I've been humble for three days now.
  <applause>  I once boasted that I only needed 3.5 seconds to release
  the ball.  Unfortunately, I found out it only too 3.4 seconds for
  two nice boys named Curry and Copeland to be breathing down my neck!
  Fortunately, I've learned to take my time and enjoy nifty graphics
  displayed on the scoreboard on the roof of the Superdome.

That concludes todays meeting of BA.  Refreshments consisting of iced
tea, craw-dads, and sugar-Cane stew are available at the back of the
room.  Ya'll come back, now! :-)

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper)
Subject: Re: record comeback
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:03:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.1539.20614@execnet> al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes:

<<STUFF DELETED>>

>Does anyone know of any greater comebacks in college football?

I wasn't even born when it happened, but I have read about a comeback
made by Texas A&M against Rice in 1955.

At the time, Bear Bryant was the Coach at Texas A&M.
With a little over two minutes to go in what had been a mostly defensive
game (typical for Bear), the Aggies were trailing Rice by a score of 12-0.
Somewhere shortly after the three minute mark, Bear called his team to
the sidelines and told them that there was still time for them to win if
they believed they could.  With about two minutes and a few seconds
to go in the game, most of the 68,000 in attendance had already started
to head for the exits when the Aggies roared back.  In that time span,
the Aggies scored three touchdowns and defeated the Owls by a score of
either 20 or 21 to 12.  

A young reporter got stuck in an elevator in the back of the stadium and 
missed the first two touchdowns.  Later, he told Bear that he had missed
them and asked Bear what happend.  Bear responded, "Dammed if I know,
I was too busy praying."
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:37:11 GMT
Organization: .

(Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
>is the
>best team in college football this year.  
>
>My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?
>GT

That's not just any bird, GT.  That's the rare yet highly visible
Yellow-bellied Smashedmouth.   Its unique because its the last animal to
shut its trap before the tide comes in, and the first to whine
afterwards.

Hope this helps......

--J.J.

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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Big 8-SWC merger not likely soon (was: Re: A&M - OU in '93)
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:30:43 GMT

	Thanks for the SWC/Big8 article...this will be interesting
	to watch over the next few years.  Who might defect to the
	Big10?  It would be cute to see Missouri, Nebraska, and 
	Iowa State all go to make it the Huge14.  The rest of the 
	southern teams might merge with the SWC.  Hardly likely, 
	but Nebraska used to play teams like Minnesota, Wisconsin
	and Illinois regularly way back when and it'd be nice to 
	see from my point of view.  I don't have much interest in
	Texas teams - NU apparently opens with two next year - 
	and I doubt I'd ever live in Texas to see the games.  All
	three conferences need a boost in football, though, and
	need some sort of plan to attract more interest before
	they fall behind.    ???

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Subject: Where are the PSU fans now?
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:06:07 EST
Organization: Penn State University

  As I have said all season PSU was overrated from the beginning.  The PSU fans
didn't see the signs when they failed to beat any ranked teams (actually the
didn't beat a team that ended up with a winning record), and they didn't see
the signs after the miserable Boston College game, but they sure as hell have
to be blind to see it now.  the combined record of teams that PSU beat is
23-53 (that is 3 wins a team) which is not much to hang a hat on. (yes I am
woofing right now).  Yes, they played well against Miami and Notre Dame, but
one was at home and the other was an unusually cold and wet day in South Bend.
   The game has passed JoePa by.  They didn't even put up a fight against the
CArdinal in the Blockbuster Bowl. PSU has the talent (richie anderson and oj
mcduffie will be good on the next level and their defense is adaquate) but
JoePa is stuck in some time warp.  Get him out of there before he ruins the
reputation of the football program (ok, so I went a little over board here).
   Actually I expect PSU to do a little better in the Big Ten+1 because of the
relative weakness of the conference as compared to playing the Miami's and the
Syracuse's of the world.  Speed is the game in the Big East, SEC and the ACC,
where it is just a concept in the Big Ten+1.  PSU will be in the Rose Bowl
inside of two years, but who cares?  Scrap the Rose Bowl concept, let #1 and
#2 play each season, and the fans will be happy!
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:34:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.193228.1929@ra.msstate.edu>, wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
|> I was curious as to how many SEC fans such as myself pulled
|> for Miami to beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?  Why?  Because
|> if you've every been to a game with Alabama fans, you would
|> know they act in person just like the ones woofing about
|> this year's Sugar Bowl win.
|> 
|> Any other SEC fans who turned Miami fans for a day?

    Well, I can't speak for anyone else (Bama fan or not) but I'd hope that the
frustrated turncoats were few and far between.  I *can* understand your attitude,
being from MSU, I guess.  I pulled for MSU against North Carolina myself.  A win
would have given the strongest conference in the nation a clean sweep of the
bowls.  It was difficult because I loathe Rev. Sherrill and, as he is wont to
do, he screwed it all up again.  Just can't get him to do anything right.  My own
loyalties are to Alabama first and foremost and, (dare I say it?) even to Auburn 
second if it does nothing to Alabama's chances.  It makes the Iron Bowl that much
more interesting and meaningful if both teams have good years.  I have a soft spot
for Vandy because of what they accomplish with the talent they have.  The SEC as 
a whole follows (though it really is difficult to pull for a Jackie Sherrill 
team).  I also like FSU (my brother lived in Tallahassee until late November) and 
I even used to like Miami before the Jimmy Johnson Crusade to Eradicate All Traces
of Class from the football team.  Erickson has somewhat reversed that trend but, 
like when you quit smoking, the damage can be done in a hurry while the healing 
takes time.  Another one of my favorite teams is Southern Miss.  They play a IA
schedule, most of their games on the road, and can *always* be counted on to take
you to task.  I thought they'd make a good addition to the SEC. Enough rambling.
What do I know?  I'm just a Bama fan.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
                   "TIME OUT!!!"  --Gino

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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:43:05 GMT

In article <C0K4IM.7ox@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>
>>dhead writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
>>>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>Actually, I thought it was Sebastian.  He's an ibis, although it looks like
>>>the Crimson tide mistook him for a chicken and plucked him and fried him up
>>>for dinner!
>
>>An _ibis_?  What's that?  And what makes it so unique?
>
>Actually, according to the Audibon Society bible, the Ibis is the
>only bird that when cooked (and it doesn't matter what method is
>used to cook it) does not taste good with barbecue sauce. I've
>heard that some people from the deep south (somewhere between Miami
>and Washington D.C.) will eat buzzard meat if you put a good barbecue
>sauce on it. We in Miami don't have first hand knowledge of this of
>course since we are the sixth borough on New Yak.
>

Actually, we New Yorkers refer to Florida as South New York.  Just another
extension of uncle Mario Cuomo's tax-grabbing government.

Dave


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