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From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: Re: Problems shipping seeds overseas?
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:59:49 GMT

In article <15930@umd5.umd.edu> bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams) writes:
>A colleague of mine in Asia has asked me to order some seeds for him. 
>Apparently the U.S. vendor he wants to use won't ship overseas.  Am I
>likely to encounter any problems or restrictions? Can I just order the
>seeds and put them in the mail? 
>___________________________________
>William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
>Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
>St. Mary's College of Maryland
>St. Mary's City, MD 20686

What I am about to say is about twenty years out of date, but possibly
valid still today.

When I was in Israel, I wanted to get some Burpee seed.  I asked my
father ( daylily hobbiest) to send me some.  He checked with a fellow
at Smith College who was a titular plant health inspector (he was curator of
the Smith Greenhouse collections).  My dad was told: as long as the seed
comes in unopened Burpee packets or packages, the Israeli import
inspectors are likely to regard them as "sanitary" because of the 
sanitary procedures that U.S. seed companies must adhere to for
import and even sale of seed around the U.S.A.  My dad put them in an
Air Mail envelope, marked them "vegatable seed: no commercial value"
on the duane slip.  I received them seeing that the envelope had been
opened and resealed, but the seed packets had not been opened.

So if you can purchase from a company like Burpee and are not sending
commercial quantities, just do it.  One cautionary: seed is not always
seized for sanitary reasons....some countries have import/export
restrictions for protectionist reasons.

Hope it helps.

Steve
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Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: purves@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Purves)
Subject: Re: PR (PlantReligion) [was Re: INFORMATION-BASED FARMING]
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: bionet
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:50:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.025416.6334@ncsu.edu> samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena) writes:
>Well, I toss in that Vernalization, postulated by Lysenko, received
>some "serious" attention in the West from a few plant physiologists. 

Umm... although Lysenko tried to take credit for the concept of
vernalization, it is clear that he was NOT responsible for the
actual science involved.  He has been given a lot of undue credit
for that one.

(bill)

William K. Purves
Department of Biology
Harvey Mudd College
Claremont, CA 91711
From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: PP (PlantPolitics) (Was many other subj.)
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92830160045.MIN-LBIAa26899.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you wrote:
: [...] 
: I wish plant scientists discussing about the best move(s)/status quo'(s) for 
: the future of farming/our planet would include in their analysis a little bit 
: more of thermodynamics and statistical mechanics of irreversible phenomena.

I recall starting a thread about the energy value of fuel crops that
seemed to be relevant to this topic, but it degenerated into a(nother)
political discussion.  I'm not against plant politics, but I'm more
interested in scientific discussion.

: I generally found these and a basic knowledge of what infinite/limited means
: (i.e. in terms of basic ressources/supplies/growth)the concepts that are most 
: missused/lacking in the discourses of the type

My patience is infinite but my time is limited ...

: we have actually when it is coming from economists or sociologists(?) 
: expressing their views from our comfortable countries.
: Lets keep it short.

A fundamental problem in any mechanistic assessment of the 'cost' in
energy terms or in economic terms of particular agricultural practices
is that you cannot always meaningfully quantify their 'value' or the
'value' of the environment itself.

As we have seen from some of the preceding discussion on this subject
the politics of food production is an emotive issue.  I, personally,
see the conservation of an ancient gene pool in the crops used by
farmers in the less developed world as an example of an agricultural
practice that is of immense value but difficult to quantify.

I also see the so-called green revolution as an example of the cost
inflicted on food producers in the less developed world by the
arrogance of economists and politicians in the developed world, and the
vested financial interests of multi-national companies.

How do you quantify the cost and benefit of these two examples ?

	Tony.
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From: kearns@HUELINGS.HARVARD.EDU (Ellen V. Kearns)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: exit
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:56:36 GMT
Distribution: bionet

please remove me from the plant-biology group. Thanks, Ellen Kearns
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Plant Oxygen
Date: 4 Oct 1992 08:59:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   I am doing a report on the degree to which plants produce
 oxygen.
 I have read different opinions:  that the grasses, algae or
 certain trees may be at the top of the list.

 Any information on source material would be appreciated.
 Thanks.  Mike E. Romano    U of Cal.  Berkeley


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: RAPD mapping
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:36:36 GMT
Organization: Institute of Forest Genetics DataBase
NNTP-Posting-Host: s27w007.pswfs.gov


[This message is from Claire Williams _not_ Brad Sherman.]


In article <1992Sep28.144722.666@ncsu.edu> rosswhet@forbt2.nrrc.ncsu.edu (Ross Whetten) writes:
> The short answer to the above question is likely to be "No, RFLPS
> are not worth the effort for QTL mapping for practical tree breeding
> purposes", because of the linkage equilibrium problem.

Practical tree breeding in tropical and subtropical conifers is into
the third breeding cycle using extremely small heterozygous lines.
Could one really argue that linkage equilibrium is present in the
domesticated population? It may not always be necessary to genotype
an entire population, But if genotyping an entire population is
necessary then genotyping a small population is not an arduous task.

RFLP and RAPD markers would take the same amount of time.

   --Claire Williams
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Looking for farming hand tool catalogs
Keywords: farming tool catalog mail-order
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:31:02 GMT

In <80477@ut-emx.uucp> sbuchele@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steven W. Buchele) writes:

>I am looking for a source of mail order farm hand tools.  In the
>specific I am looking for a walk behind row seed planter plus
>other types of tools.

>I will post a summary if there is interest.


>-- 
>Steven W. Buchele                | Applied Research Laboratories
>buchele@arlvs1.arlut.utexas.edu  | 10000 Burnet Road
>(512) 835-3012                   | Austin, Taxes 78713-8029

>    "Every tool is a hammer--except a chisel...its a screwdriver!"
>				   
;d14,24
No specific mention of the walk behind row seed planter handy; the recent
Whole Earth "Ecolog" mentioned five tool suppliers for farm and garden
supplies; my hunch would be try Lehman's Hardware and Appliances,
their catalog is $2.00 from PO Box 41, 4779 Kidron Rd., Kidron OH 44636;
or Cumberland's, catalog $3.00 from rt. 3 box 81, Crossville TN 38555, and
they have a telephone: 615-484-8481.
From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: PR (PlantReligion) [was Re: INFORMATION-BASED FARMING]
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92106135825.MIN-LZDAa15305.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you wrote:
: [...]
: Umm... although Lysenko tried to take credit for the concept of
: vernalization, it is clear that he was NOT responsible for the
: actual science involved.  He has been given a lot of undue credit
: for that one.

What do you mean by "the actual science"?

Do you mean that it wasn't his idea, or that he didn't do the work?

	Tony.
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From: VJIMENEZ@UCRVM2.BITNET ("Victor M. Jimenez")
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Orchids discussion list
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:18:50 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Universidad de Costa Rica

Hi friends,

     Does anybody know if, there's a discussion list about orchids or related?

                                          Thanking in advance,

                                          Victor M. Jimenez
                                          vjimenez at ucrvm2.bitnet
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stuart Brown)
Subject: Re: plant phys use in breeding
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: bionet
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.231509.16061@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk writes:
>In article <92824214839.MIN-LLFAa20249.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you wrote:
> structure of farming?  How about the rapidly advancing disciplines like plant 
>gentics and human genetics? Do we have choices about developing plants that are
>: resistant to trademarked herbicides vs. plants that are inherantly able to
>outcompete weeds? Can we choose how data on genetic traits is used in pre-natal
>: care? Or are these choices too technology driven to be controlled by ethics?
>

>I don't agree that these choices are "technology driven".
>
>Ultimately, I agree, that the scientific knowledge we accumulate will
>be used commercially but what drives _me_ is the prospect of my work
>being a useful contribution to the subject.
>
>My perspective is that by understanding the underlying mechanism of
>plant responses we can select/improve varieties to reflect more
>accurately the requirements demanded of a crop for a particular use.
>
>I don't see how we can 'design' better plants without also
>understanding the physiological basis upon which such improvements
>depend.  I know this topic has been the subject of heated debate over
>many years, but we are now in a position as never before to exploit
>technology in plant breeding programmes.
>
>	Tony.


Tony, I don't think you quite understand what I mean by "technology driven"
science. I'm not talking about the internal or philosophical motivations
of the investigator, but rather the ability of the investigator to control
the progress of work.  In highly technology diriven science, new techniques
are applied to old problems in traditional ways - if you don't do a certain
experiment, it is a certainly that someone else soon will.  I vaguely remember
Thomas Kuhn (sp?) refferring to this type of work as "consolidation" science.	

As to your more general comment that knowledge improves our ability to solve
problems, it would be very hard for me to argue against that point. It just
reminds me of a scene in the movie "Animal House"  where the statue of the
founder of the University  is shown with the inscription "Knowledge is Good!"

The point I'm trying to make is that our new technical tools can be used in 
a wide variety of different ways. Some of these applications will have 
positive social impacts and some applications will have negative impacts. All
that I'm asking is that those of us in a position to analyze these impacts
stop the treadmill for a few moments now and then and think about where our
own work is headed.

-- 
Stuart M. Brown                             If you can remain cool when all 
U. of Manitoba, Dept. Plant Science         Around you are in panic,
Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA
browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca            Then you surely misunderstand the situation
From: wcf@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Barometric pressure and stomata
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:57:10 -0500

Ok, I've done a cursory look in some of the literature and haven't found 
any reference regarding efffects of barometric pressure  changes on the
stomatal activity of plants. I'm specifically interested in fern, but
would be satisfied to find anything on the subject. E-mail or repost, 
I'll be waiting. Thanks in advance.
				Chris 
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			WCF@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
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From: ZWIEB%JASON.DECNET@relay.the.net (Christian Zwieb)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: large scale wheat germ lysate preps
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:09:15 GMT
Distribution: bionet

I am curious if anybody has experience with (or knowns about) the
preparation of lysates from wheat germ on a larger scale--let's say
something like 100 grams. I grind 1.5 g with a mortar and pistill, but that
is about as much as I can handle. Are there alternative methods for braking
up wheat germ, or can one purchase grinding machines? Thanks for any help!
-Chris

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From: ES@JII.AFRC.AC.UK
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: PP (PlantPolitics) (Was many other subj.)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:02:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: PLANTBIO@UK.AC.DARESBURY


I subscribe to the two last expressed (received today) views of Ricardo.

I wish plant scientists discussing about the best move(s)/status quo'(s) for 
the future of farming/our planet would include in their analysis a little bit 
more of thermodynamics and statistical mechanics of irreversible phenomena.
I generally found these and a basic knowledge of what infinite/limited means
(i.e. in terms of basic ressources/supplies/growth)the concepts that are most 
missused/lacking in the discourses of the type
we have actually when it is coming from economists or sociologists(?) 
expressing their views from our comfortable countries.
Lets keep it short.

Eric Schoonejans

Disclaimer: Eric who?
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper)
Subject: Re: why did poppies evolve opium?
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 07:26:36 GMT

In <1992Sep24.234145.9761@u.washington.edu> bbeer@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer) writes:

>I have not noticed this with P. somniferum, but I grow a greek wild poppy
>(P. dubium) in my garden, and have noticed honeybees completely stoned on
>them.  They fly around and around inside the blossoms unable to get out,
>and when dumped on the ground, they just lie there and wiggle their legs..:)

>I noticed this in Greece too - sometimes as many as 3 bees in each flower,
>almost unable to move.  This doesn't always happen - lots of bees seem to
>do okay.  Maybe it is only when they bite a stamen and get a mouthful of
>the latex?

In a recent article in the New Scientist there was a report of honey bees
getting "drunk" on fermented nectar. It is a sorry tale of drunk bees having
more flying accidents, dying younger, and being rejected back at the hive
by teetotallers. The article also suggests that if the temperature inside
the hive is allowed to rise then the honey stored there may ferment and
a watery honey reminicent of mead is produced:-) Bees with their own brewery.

New Scientist 8th August 1992 No 1833 p 14.

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From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Barometric pressure and stomata
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:09:10 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92830103032.MIN-LFBAa26899.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you wrote:
: Ok, I've done a cursory look in some of the literature and haven't found 
: any reference regarding efffects of barometric pressure  changes on the
: stomatal activity of plants. I'm specifically interested in fern, but
: would be satisfied to find anything on the subject. E-mail or repost, 
: I'll be waiting. Thanks in advance.

Are you asking about direct, or indirect effects?

The turgor pressure inside stomatal quard cells has been measured using
oil-filled glass micropippettes/needles and is large in comparison to
the changes in barometric presure that occur naturally (sorry - I don't
have any figures to hand, but this was work by Zeiger et al. in the
late '70s).

The pressure of surrounding subsidiary cells (or epidermal cells if the
fern doesn't have them) works against the turgor of the guard cell to
reduce opening.  If the subsidiary cells are killed by low pH
pretreatment the stomata open much wider (described in: Travis &
Mansfield 1977, Studies of malate formation in 'isolated' guard cells,
New Phytologist, 78, 541-546).

I think that direct effects are unlikely because turgor changes in the
surrounding cells would balance the effects on the guard cells.  The
mechanical interaction betwen the cells is complex but the subsidiary
cells are thought to have a mechanical 'advantage' due to the area of
the ventral wall of they have in common with the guard cell.

The indirect effects are likely to be profound!!

The partial pressure of CO2 and water vapour deficit of air is altered
by changes in presssure.  The feedback control mechanism regulating
water use efficiency in plants will adjust the stomatal apertures to
any changes that occur in either of these parameters.

There is also a feed-forward hypothesis of stomatal control that
postulates 'anticipatory' stomatal movements in response to changes
_outside_ the leaf.  In this hypothesis, the stomata respond far more
quickly than can be explained by negative feedback alone.

One other point is that bulk air movements will occur through open
stomata in response to a pressure gradient between air inside and
outside.  All in all, I think it's a *very* interesting area to be
investigating.

Please post responses - I don't want another email-only discussion ;-)

	Tony.
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From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: PR (PlantReligion) [was Re: INFORMATION-BASED FARMING]
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:13:01 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92830183544.MIN-LJJAa26899.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you wrote:
: Talk about 'mythic' imaginings.....

Ok, let's change the name of this thread.

: Kurosawa was FIRST with 'the seven samuri' and 'the mag 7' came
: after....Hollywood doesn't lead it follows...just as there are
: different ideas about 'scientific' and 'mythic' which include
: the one that 'myth' is 'science' and 'science' is 'myth'. Farming

You forgot to mention the myth that science is science :->

: of any kind is 'science' - in that to plant, tend, harvest and
: plant again shows experimentation and a 'rational' belief in
: repeatability.....and it is also explained 'sceintifically' through
: 'myth'....

Hmmm. I thought 'science' was the cycle of observation, hypothesis,
experiment?

The psychologist Skinner proposed that all human behaviour is
deterministic.  If that is true then, ultimately, the outcome of all
scientific experimentation is predictable and a 'rational' belief in
repeatability is little more than acceptance of pre-ordination.

I, of course, design all my experiments using a dice :-)

	Tony.
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From: shibumi@NET.BIO.NET ("Kenton A. Hoover")
Newsgroups: bionet.women-in-bio
Subject: Test
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:37:50 GMT
Reply-To: shibumi@net.bio.net
Distribution: bionet

This is yet another test.  I am sure all of you are tired of these,
but we promise to have everything working soon.


(one more time)

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From: ns14@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Newsgroups: bionet.women-in-bio
Subject: test
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:46:16 GMT
Distribution: bionet
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test
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From: shibumi@NET.BIO.NET ("Kenton A. Hoover")
Newsgroups: bionet.women-in-bio
Subject: Test
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:34:51 GMT
Reply-To: shibumi@net.bio.net
Distribution: bionet

This is yet another test.  I am sure all of you are tired of these,
but we promise to have everything working soon.


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