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From: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu (Douglas E. Quale)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Undergraduate Projects Lab, UW Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213206.5387@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>In article <l9smbqINN3uj@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>>
>>3)Could he actually have a film in production without some one leaking it 
>>out? It is possable but VERY unlikely. With the amount of people that he
>>will have working on it, news is bound to leak out.
>
>If Lucas has paid well enough to keep people's mouths closed. And, if
>no-one knows who's acting in SW or who's doing some work with SW,
>no-one knows who to ask. If Lucas has picked up previously unknown
>actors like he mostly did with ANH, it wouldn't be too difficult to
>keep their mouth shut. 
>That leaves all technicians etc. out but if Lucas has made some kind
>of agreement with them... 'If you leak out you're fired immediately'.
>It would keep mouths shut too. And if those technicians etc. have been
>paid enough, they have no need to tell anyone.
>

Joshua is right.  The way that movies are made precludes any possibility
of a sequel/prequel to SW being made without our having at least 12-16
*months* advance notice, probably more.  Most of the people who work
on a film aren't permanent employees of a studio or production company.
When Lucas makes a big film such as ROTJ, ILM hires dozens of extra
temporary employees.

I think making a major film is more work involving more people than
you realize.  What weight would the threat of being fired carry with
a hairdresser?  Pay has little to do with it.  They would tell their
husbands/wives/friends/neighbors/gossip sheet reporters because its
fun to tell secret stuff.  You are talking about a conspiracy of
silence involving a thousand people.

I think that trying to keep it completely secret would be pretty
foolish anyway, since it would make more sense to have us read about
it in Time or Newsweek than The National Enquirer, but of course Lucas
may feel differently.
-- 
Doug Quale
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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:33:18 GMT

so basically your saying that to use any of the names from a movie or book
("the issue of trademark") is illegal so we cant use the names luke sky...
uh, uh i meant duke cloud skipper or dan loner or even sun battles???



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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re:Shoe Faqs (was: FAQ - NEW VERSION!!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: cmgeorg@c00556-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu


Pertaining to the shoe in question.  (Jeff Jonsson) wrote that it was probably
cut out on the video transfer.  It is in fact NOT.  I have a copy of the
video and it's clearly there.  But it's at the TOP of the screen and NOT on 
the side.

Just like the FAQ says.  It's right after the part where Wedge says "I'll take
the leader"  In the next shot you're looking out of a cockpit and seeing a
TIE blow up.  Immediately after, you fly up towards a "Mon Calamarian Crusier"
which is in fact a sneaker.  This part only lasts for a fraction of a second
so a 4-head VCR with variable speed slo-mo is as MUST!

You've probably never noticed this shot anyway, because it *is* fast.

I personally don't think the stripe is that of a Nike.  But the loop of tread
around the middle part of the sole is indicative of the old style of Nike's
basic canvas shoe. The shoe (in the shot) also had three air cushioned "bubbles"
on the ball of the sole as well. 2 orange and 1 grey in color if my memory 
serves me correctly.  Do you guys remember ever seeing those bubbles on the 
soles of sneakers?  Think waaay back now.

I think that the angle of the shoe is what may be screwing people up.  To get 
a feel of just what you're looking at:

1) look down at your right shoe 
2) rotate your ankle to the left so your shoe is "laying on" it's outside
3) now your sole is facing towards the base of your chair
4) lean back a bit so you see the sole and the inside of the right shoe
   simultaneously.

This is how the shoe is positioned in space. 

It DOES kinda look like a star cruiser (what else would it have been),
but its NOT.

**or maybe Josh has a better explanation  8-)


Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Big rebel ships
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:54:21 GMT

Actually, the big Rebel ships do serve a purpose. Their
firepower is considerably greater than that of the fighters,
and when the time comes when the fleets merge, the Rebel ships
can be seen exchanging broadsides with the Star Destroyers.
(Remember, too, that capital ship fire--particularly from the
Mon Calamari Star Cruisers--brought down the Imperial Super
Star Destroyer that was serving as command ship for the
Imperial fleet.)

As for why capital ships were brought in when the Rebel leaders
had no reason to expect such a large fleet of Imperial capital
ships--well, they support the fighters and provide a base of
operations, much like modern-day aircraft carriers. In the
battle of Yavin, there's a friendly base nearby (albeit one in
danger of extinction) providing logistical support for the
fighters, whereas in RotJ there is no such Rebel base at hand.
Command, control, and communications (the three vital C's of
military operations) are coordinated from the capital
ships. 

Hope this answers the question.

Steve
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for the masses. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work 
hard...increase production...prevent accidents...and be happy. (THX-1138)
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Emp. #5 question. Don't worry, no spoilers.
Date: 23 Aug 1992 17:27:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I had a friend of mine pick up Dark Empire #5 for me the other day and
to my surprise the cover of mine was not glossy.  Has anybody else seen this?
Or has each issue had a glossy and non-glossy cover?

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From: gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:58:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>
>>>In <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>>>> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>>>>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...
>
>
 The Imperials know where the rebels are and they know the rebels don't
have enough time to evacuate.  So how much could an extra half hour or
so hurt?  Plus I like the analogy of how much it costs to operate this
thing.  Operating the DS must cost the Empire as much as a Nuclear Aircraft 
Carrier in our day (and then some).  The Imperials have only X amount of
material available and X amount of money to run the thing so why waste
a zillion dollars and mega fuel, weapons etc. when the rebels aren't going
anywhere and a couple more minutes can't hurt.  I find nothing wrong with
this and in fact way back in '78 I thought "Hey just destroy the planet", I 
quickly figured a political and economic reason why not to do it.  So
regardless of the physics arguement, it doesn't make political or 
economic sense to blow away Yavin first.  And maybe the Empire would have
had some use for Yavin (now or a millenium from now) and they're thinking
don't blow away the planet since it may be useful someday.

Can anyone buy this?  I'm sure politics plays a part in it.  I can see
the Emperor choking to death the guy who wasted an extra gazillion of
the Empire's dollars.


Just my $2/100 worth

Jay


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From: bender@riscee.pko.dec.com (Patricia Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Jurrassic Park?
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:58:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA

In article <92242.225328MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>_Death Becomes Her_???  I am *anxiously* awaiting Jurrassic Park, however, but
>---
>Mike Weintraub   mweintr@auvm.american.edu   Solaris on IRC

Okay, after seeing a couple of post mention this movie, I have to ask what
is it?  Plot?  Actors?  I'd assume sci-fi, correct?

patricia

p.s. sorry for non-SW stuff, but it has been mentioned several times here.
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:46:24 GMT

In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?
>Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....

I always took it to mean that the escape pods to which he was referring
were jettisoned _before_ the Falcon arrived in the Alderaan system.
I agree with you that the Imperials would not be dumb enough not
to detect escape pods jettisoning so close to the DS.  My guess is
that the pods had been missing from the MF for a _long_ time (maybe
from before Han even had it) and the Imperial officer who said that
several of the life pods had been jettisoned was just conjecturing
that whoever had been on the MF left before it ever arrived near the DS.


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From: kruegek@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Kirby Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Jurrassic Park?
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:19:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Aug31.205819.27970@engage.pko.dec.com> bender@riscee.pko.dec.com (Patricia Bender) writes:
>In article <92242.225328MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>_Death Becomes Her_???  I am *anxiously* awaiting Jurrassic Park, however, but
>>---
>>Mike Weintraub   mweintr@auvm.american.edu   Solaris on IRC
>
>Okay, after seeing a couple of post mention this movie, I have to ask what
>is it?  Plot?  Actors?  I'd assume sci-fi, correct?
>
>patricia
>
>p.s. sorry for non-SW stuff, but it has been mentioned several times here.

Alright, I'll respond just this once.  Jurassic Park (Note the correct spelling)
is the latest novel by Michael Crichton. It deals, to put it very briefly
and without spoilers, with genetically created dinosaurs.  The novel is one
of the best I have ever read, being very scientifically pure as well as
having an amazingly high level of suspense.  It is sort of science fiction/
suspense combined.  Many of you know of Crichton's other works, such as
The Andromeda Strain.  Due to the extreme quality of this novel, far beyond
anyone's expectations, and the rumours about ILM making a film that will
be as groundbreaking in effects as Terminator 2, there is a lot of 
anticipation for the film.  Now, this doesn't belong in this newsgroup,
so we probably should take this discussion elsewhere, but you asked a 
question.  Here's the short answer.
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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Empire - cut scenes?
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:57:12 GMT

joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:

>In article <BtpDIL.5yL@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of any scenes for Empire Strikes Back that were filmed
>>but not used?
>>From SW we have a scene of Biggs near the end that was cut, and for
>>ROTJ, a sandstorm. But I've never heard of any cut scenes to ESB.

>There are at least 2 that I know of:

>Shot of the Wampa dragging Luke accross the snow to his lair.

>Threepio ripping down a "Danger: Wild Tauntauns" sign while being chased
>to the Falcon in Hoth. 

Actually, an entire thread was cut from Empire - this thread had to do with
many Wampa creatures invading the Rebel base at the same time the Empire's
attack was occurring. The idea was a good example of the Star Wars Style -
build suspense and tension by having multiple plot threads in crisis at the
same time. Lucas was frazzled by money problems during filming of Empire
and the editors' initial attempts to assemble a rough cut of the film caused 
Lucas to panic and try to assemble his own cut, which the editors all thought
was awful. This dangerous dispute was peaceably resolved, and the
Wampa-attack thread was cut during this process. If you watch during the
attack on the Hoth base, Artoo has nothing to do and appears to be wandering
aimlessly through the hallways of the base - the scene that comes to mind is
the one where ice falls from the roof and hits him on the dome. In the
original thread this falling ice alerted Artoo to the Wampa attack and
Artoo was able to repel the creatures, and then he eventually wound up in the
back of Luke's x-wing. The cut thread explains why Artoo has nothing to do
during the attack until he shows up in Luke's x-wing. Incidentally, the
scene with ice falling on Artoo is a good example of an editor's trick -
the scene was salvaged from the cut thread because the falling ice, instead
of being caused by the Wampa creatures digging through the ceiling, was shown
by editing to be caused by Imperial pounding on the Rebel base. Pretty slick!
Check it out next time you watch Empire.

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: C3PO.... card
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:30:08 GMT

>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 06:49:46 GMT, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) said:


gt6390a> Penis card?  I probably shouldn't ask, but how did this card
gt6390a> get its name?  As if I couldn't guess, but I just want to see
gt6390a> a post about it to get it straight. 


I have a GIF of the card, if people want to see it, I can post it.

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <mjenkins.714968339@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>I've noticed in a number of recent posts that people are assuming that
>because George Lucas is doing a major interview on the new Star Wars
>series, people are going to watch for a May 1993 release date for the
>first film.
>
>Am I really out of the loop? Is this the most secret movie shoot in
>history? Given Star War & series' incredible popularity, you'd think
>there would be a media crush on any new shootings.
 
I doubt it VERY much that a new Star Wars film will be out in May '93.
I would almost bet money on it not happening for a couple of reasons:

1) Who would do the effects? ILM, correct. ILM has been very busy lately on
other film Jurassic Park is supposed to have effects in it that are going
to be as breakthrough as T2 was last year If ILM haven't stared yet on
the SW effects if it IS to be released in 1993 then they will never be able to
finish on schedule. They barely got Jedi done in time.

2) Lucas has ben heavily into Young Indy the past year and since it has been
renewed for this fall, I'm sure he is busy right now. If anything, I would
say that Young Indy has pushedthe next SW movie farther away.

3)Could he actually have a film in production without some one leaking it 
out? It is possable but VERY unlikely. With the amount of people that he
will have working on it, news is bound to leak out.

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From: rock@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jan-Oliver Rock)
Subject: Was this scene in ROTJ, or not ?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:51:08 GMT

Hi to all Star Wars fans !
 
 Here's my question : 
 A friend of ine and I seem to recall a scene inROTJ which does not appear
 on any video tape of ROTJ we've watched. But we did see the film at the
 movie some years ago, so we are not shure ...
 It's a scene in Jabba's palace, when Luke falls into the rancorpit.We thought
 that  Luke jumps into the air , clinging himself to the iron bars.
 Then some jawas appear and hit Luke on his hands with their guns.Luke
 then drops back into the pit and so on....
 I hope someone can end our dilemma...;-)
Ciao
     Olli
    

rock@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de 
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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Empire - cut scenes?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:04:31 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <BtpDIL.5yL@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any scenes for Empire Strikes Back that were filmed
>but not used?
>From SW we have a scene of Biggs near the end that was cut, and for
>ROTJ, a sandstorm. But I've never heard of any cut scenes to ESB.

As far as major scenes, I don't know, but in the advanced(teaser I think) movie
trailer, there are some scenes that didn't appear in the final print.  For
example, there is a scene with C3PO tearing some sort of sign off a door in
the Hoth ice base caverns.

Glenn......
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From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Subject: Princess Leah's cell block? 
Keywords: figure stands
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:53:25 GMT


Could somebody please tell me what princess Leah's cell block was?

Thanks,  
          John
           jmb5b@virginia.edu
From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:23:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug27.131705.5655@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>No one would go out in space without escape pods!!!
>
>And the diagram of the Falcon in the sourcebook is pretty bogus.
>It goes against everything that was said about it in all the books.
>(The pincers, for example, were for loading cargo!) I don't buy
>where the escape pods are, either.
>
>Scott
>

	Okay, first of all, I think that it is reasonable to assume that
	Han purposely disposed of the escape pods because if his ship gets
	captured, he can hide out while the "captors" think, reasonably,
	that there is no one on board.  The captors lower their guard
	and Han finds a way out of his mess.  Just like in Star Wars!

	Another reason that he would not want escape pods is because he
	would not want to be tempted to abandon ship if something
	goes wrong.  It is not good for a smuggler to abandon his cargo.
	(Even though he did dump some of Jabba's cargo at the first sign
	 of an Imperial cruiser!).

	I, unfortunately do not have the SW Sourcebook, yet.  But I do
	have a general idea of how the Falcon is laid out, due to my
	careful study of the Trilogy. I feel that their mentioning
	of where the escape pods are located gives some functional 
	purpose to those circular ports on either side of the ship.  They
	are empty now (with the hatches shut to seal the ship), but they
	*could* contain something I suppose.  (Actually, I thought that
	they were docking ports, but when you see the Falcon attached to
	the Medical Frigate at the end of "Empire", you can see that
	the docking port is a dorsal one.

	By the way, LONG before the Sourcebook was created, official 
	Star Wars literature (Star Wars Sketchbook, I think) did mention
	that the front claw on the Falcon IS for loading cargo.  So don't
	guffaw the Sourcebook too soonly!  After all, the Falcon is first
	and foremost, a Correllian cargo ship!


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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:40:56 GMT

bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:


>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?

The Sarlacc.

>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.

The Rancor.

                                  --Steve Stelter
                                    sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu