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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: race car project: ITB Alfetta Sedan
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:49:15 GMT

well, i turned out to have misread the rule book; i can in fact
modify the anti-sway bar mounts.  in cars where the anti-sway bars
also locate the suspension, i can't change the mounts, but this
is not a problem with the alfetta.

so anyway, this changes my options considerably.

thanks to those who pointed out my mistake,
  richard
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna test drive Williams
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:12:49 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>
>What was that earlier crap about Damon Hill having a faster time
>than Prost (earlier posting by I dont know who).

Prost was fastest of the people using 1992 tyres, but Damon Hill
beat that time using the narrower 1993 tyres, a light fuel load,
and a 1993 specification car apart from the rear wing. Prost
never ran with less than 100 litres of fuel on board. He said that
his neck muscles were hurting a bit and that he was only driving
at 60 %.  He also said, "The Williams Renault is the best Formula One
car I have ever driven by a long chalk."

The new tyres were pretty quick but the C compound ones went off 
after about ten laps.

Goodyear spokesman Barry Griffin said 

 "Things turned out better than we'd hoped.  Estoril is the most 
  abrasive track and this year it was green because of all the rain.  
  We'd have needed the three sets of these tyres in a race, which 
  compares quite well.  Some teams even asked for them for Japan and 
  Australia!  They said that the tyre was exceptional on slow corners, 
  but not so good on the high speed corners.  The fronts were super.

 "What we took along was to exactly the same specification as our
  existing C and B compound tyres.  Overall I would say that there
  is less that needs to be changed than expected, though there may
  be some extra stops in some places."

Jean Alesi actually beat his grid time for the GP using the new
tyres.  He said, "They behave like bias-ply tyres.  They warn
you before they break away and allow you more control than the
usual tyres, which feel far more like radials."

Derek Warwick tested for Footwork, although he didn't fit the
car very well.  John Wickham from the team said that the smart
money would go on Derek driving for them in '93.  Derek said,
"I'm close, but you can be so close one minute and miles away
the next in this game."

The times for this first round of the Winter F1 World Championship !

1992 Tyres
Prost					1m 14.85  Thur
Blundell  (active McLaren MP4/7A)	1m 15.57  Thur
de Cesaris				1m 18.10  Wed
Naspetti				1m 18.32  Tue
Warwick					1m 18.69  Wed
Lammers					1m 19.37  Wed
Gachot					1m 20.25  Tue
Gugelmin				1m 21.40  Tue
Lavaggi (March)				1m 21.82  Tue
Castro Santos (Jordan)			1m 46.47  Tue

1993 Tyres

Hill					1m 14.19 Thur
Schumacher				1m 15.84 Thur
Alesi					1m 16.72 Thur
De Cesaris				1m 17.21 Thur
Comas					1m 17.50 Wed
Senna					1m 17.55 Wed
Martini					1m 17.61 Tue
Fittipaldi				1m 17.78 Thur
Warwick					1m 17.83 Thur
Gachot					1m 17.91 Thur
Boutsen					1m 18.16 Tue
Berger					1m 18.38 Tue
Herbert (Lotus testing !)		1m 18.65 Tue
Alboreto				1m 18.76 Tue
Gugelmin				1m 18.93 Wed
Morbidelli				1m 18.98 Tue
Naspetti				1m 19.26 Wed
Badoer					1m 20.03 Wed


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:G-forces. Interesting car.
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:08:29 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
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Original Message From: 881045m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Richard Muise)
Original Subject: Re: G-forces. Interesting car.
 
>>Koenig Specials GMBH will modify your Testarossa for a little less than
>>the original purchase price. It is specified as:
>>
>>  -  4.3 Flat 12
>
>I believe that the Tess. has a 4.9 Flat-12
 
Nope, according to this spec sheet / advertising blurb it is a 4.3 Litre (liter)
 
>>  - Develops 530 Kw (710 HP) @ 6300 RPM.
>>  - Top speed of 340 Kph (210 MPH)
>>  - 0 - 100 Kph (60 MPH) = 3.8 seconds
>>  - 0 - 200 Kph (120 MPH) = 8.4 seconds.
>
>I heard that the twin turbo version made 1000hp, and 664lb-ft of torque.
>There is also a lesser version with 710hp, with 1 supercharger and two
>turbo chargers. The 0-60 for the Top model was about 3.5 seconds.
 
No, this definitely comes with two turbos. Incidently, where the hell would
you fit two turbochargers AND a supercharger on the motor given that the
turbos sit right in the middle of the engine's top? Maybe it is real tiny?
Interesting? But it doesn't surprise me as Koenig build some wild cars.
 
Cheers
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Petrese too old ??
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:16:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> After watching the crash about 20 times, I don't have any doubt that it's
> Petrese's fault.

If it took you 20 times to reach that conclusion how do you expect
Patrese to do it in a fraction of a second ?

bruno.
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:39:46 GMT


Not to dispute any ofyour ideas, but...

   In article <johnl.0a8i@amiganet.chi.il.us>
   johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:

   but how bout Emerson
   Fittipaldi? He's a 2 time World Champion of Formula One, and his
   son is in it now..

I assume you are referring to Christian Fittipaldi above.

Christian Fittipaldi is son of Wilson "Wilsinho" Fittipaldi, Emerson's
older brother and himself a former f1 driver albeit with little
success. Christian is therefore Emerson's nephew, not son

-Miguel

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From: bob@tv.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:05:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

kevin.j.coulter wrote:

> I've done letter writing campaigns to the local media.  Its done no good.

I trust you haven't expected your letters to wield the impact of the Voice
Of God.  Nobody writes that adequately eloquently.  I figure it's good to
write the letters, express the views, and let that have its effect in the
grand scheme of things -- but to expect the world to change shortly after
putting the flag up on the mailbox is rather overconfident, I think.

> But I ain't giving up.  And I urge that all r.a.s. readers do the
> same. Write your favorite tv/radio/newspaper guys. tell em about racing.
> And also tell em your leaving unless they start covering it accurately.

If you think they're that stupid, they will probably accord your letter
the same respect.  Best shot, I believe, is to be straight with them and
don't get fanatical.  They'll probably "listen to reason", but will surely
"turn a deaf ear" to the other stuff.


-- Bob "The Voice Of Bob" Wakehouse
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Del Mar
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:20:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Is it just me, or did IMSA GTP/GTL run at Del Mar this weekend?
Results, anyone?

-- 
      
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From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: Notable IndyCar Winners
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.191028.25135@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>I was glancing thru a list of previous IndyCar winners during
>the history of (IndyCars) back through 1909.  Of note:
>
>- Tazio Nuvolari  10/12/36 at Long Island
>- Bernd Rosemeyer  7/05/37 at Long Island
>
>Great trivia stuff
>
>-cball-
>
To add a little more to this for your information -- these were the Vanderbilt
Cup races that were briefly revived from the famous over the road races that
took place in the early part of the century.  They were not at all as
successful as the first go around of the Vanderbilt Cup and were not held
in the true tradition of the early ones.  These were held on the Roosevelt
Raceway (yes, the horse track!) and did not attrack big crowds.  I was not
aware that they were considered to be Indy car races (they were held to some
sort of international rules to try and attract the Europeans), but I think
the AAA sanctioned them which is probably why they are in the Indy history
facts.

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From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Ferrari photographers
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:29:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct12.162934.7901
Organization: The Ohio State University

In the October 16th issue of On Track, there is an interesting little article 
in the Effe Juan column.  I quote without guilt or permission:

     some rabble about Patrese's car being able to be taken home as hand
luggage.  "Ferrari engineers could not believe their luck after Patrese's
accident as the wreck came to rest opposite their pit.  Now, normally during
practice the Williams mechanics are as adept as a stripper doing a fan dance at
covering up the secrets of the Williams active suspension, but with the wreck
stuck on the track there was absolutely nothing they could do.  The Ferrari
engineers--who as usual had very litle to do as both their drivers had taken
their currently traditional early bath--were happily leaning over the pit wall
shooting off rolls of film of the hitherto secret suspension..."


Deron Wood
Ford - manufacturer's cup in NASCAR
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Unser to Williams? (was Re: BRUNDLE TO WILLIAMS!!!)
Summary: and Mansell visits Newman/Haas
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:05:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.145420.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au> 
ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>In our most reliable daily newspaper, "The Advertiser" it was reported today
>that Frank Williams has told Brundle that the whole deal is off, even after
>Brundle had accepted Williams' offer.  

Today's local newspaper says that in the wake of Brundle being eliminated,
Al Unser, Jr. has moved to the top of the list.

>Could it be a way for Mansell to be bought back from Team Haas by Williams?

According to AutoWeek, Newman/Haas is denying rumors of a contract buyout, 
noting that Mansell himself has recently visited his new team in the U.S.

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From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Engine oil in gearbox (was synthetics)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 10:53:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <memo.675348@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>I think that despite your qualifications, I disagree: Gear oils are
>heavily optimised for gear usage. Motor oils are not. Synthetic gear
>oil is probably the best if anyone makes it.
>
	international auto parts of virginia sells it for over $8/quart.

Damon

damong@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Alan Jones (was Re: More Rumours from Portugal ...)
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 04:20:59 GMT

In <1086@pico.qpsx.oz.au> conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake) writes:

>torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda) writes:
>: Is he still mucking around in the Oz touring cars ?

>He most certainly is.  He's been piloting one of the two competive BMW
>325s that have been running in the Oz touring circus.  As CAMs has
>effectively banned all but two particular types of car in next years rule, Jones
>is going to drive an example of one of them.  I _think_ it will be a
>Ford Falcon and I am _sure_ that someone will brutally correct me if I
>am wrong.

Almost right.  Alan Jones used to drive BMW M3's (the Evo 2 model).  He
joined Glenn Setons' Peter Jackson (same mob a Malboro ?) Ford team
before the Sandown 500 to race the '93 Ford Falcon in that race and
the Tooheys 1000.

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From: cheung@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (Lawrence Cheung)
Subject: Re: Senna test drive Williams
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date:  8 Oct 92 04:52:01 GMT

t9014143@phillip.edu.au writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.001922.26338@cc.uow.edu.au>, ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds) writes:
>> Apparently this was reported on Australian TV last week according to a
>> friend of mine...Is this true..I asked my friend if he may have misheard 
>> and instead it was Prost test driving..but he is adamant that he heard Senna.
>> 
>> Anybody ??
>> 
>> David

>		From what source did he get this info, I hadn't heard
>		info of this nature and I am curious.
> 

	Prost tested the William Renault on the week after the Portugese GP.
	It was reported by SBS sport in Australia. 
	
	From the 0055 Info line in Australia, he was said to have clocked a time 
	of 1:16.0... which was the fastest time on the test day. Alesi was
	second with a time of 1:16.9... For comparison, Mansell clocked a time
	of 1:13... in his qualifying for the Portugese GP.


	Lawrence
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Race Results Needed
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:38:59 GMT

I really hate to do this, but......

Whereas:
1.  It's the Columbus Day holiday, which means no mail
deliveries, which means no USA Today
2.  Our local motorsports enthusiasts over in the Oregonian's
Sports Department seem to feel that there are only two races/
year that deserve any newspaper coverage (IndyCars Portland and
IMSA Portland) didn't see fit to run the agate results for either
Charlotte or DelMar......

Would some kind soul please pass along to me the top-10 results
from each race so I can have them for PITSTOP tomorrow?  Thanks
in advance.

And, as long as I'm sitting here:

--My cohorts over at SportsRadio KFXX who do the daytime shows are
on their annual tirade about the fact that here locally, Monday Night
Football is tape-delayed ONE WHOLE HOUR!  It's been one of the major
topics ever since the NFL season began, and they're collecting
petitions, etc. against the local ABC affiliate.  As a motorsports
fan, this really grates me.  I want to grab one of these muscleheads
and basically make them aware of the fact that typically, major races
are typically delayed by at least hours, days or even months!  Hey
guys, GET A LIFE!

-- A tip of the old topper to Mssrs. Bodine and Jarrett, who got 
together during Saturday's BGN race and effectively took out Jim Bown
who was running one of his best BGN races to date.  I had hoped that
the fact he was running in the lead pack for a change that he would
be able to stay out of this type of trouble.

-- Can you believe what's going on in Winston Cup standings?  Here's
another race where old Davey could've made up a ton of points on
Elliott, but didn't.  Now we've got Kulwicki and Martin sneaking up
on the front-runners with 3 races to go.  Too bad to see Harry Gant
slipping back.

-- One thing I noticed at Charlotte yesterday.  I guess I had assumed
that pretty much across the board, the fuelers wear fire suits and, in
some cases, helmets these days.  While the camera was in Irvan's pits
during a stop, I saw that the guy fueling the #4 car was basically just
wearing a shirt and baseball cap.  Not even an apron.  Looked kinda'
scary to me.  Anyone care to comment?

-cball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Michael Waltrip gets fine
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:36:22 GMT

In article <401@rehab1.UUCP> dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
>  As you may (or may not) be aware, after the Goody's 500 Michael walked
> over and punched Dave Marcus in the mouth. Dave was still sitting in his
> car on pir road at the time!

>  Well NASCAR has fined him $500.00 and placed him on probation for the
> remainder of the 1993 year.

>  Good to see NASCAR wont put up with that kind of crap!

umm, $500 isn't much of a fine for this sort of behaviour, not
given the amounts of money flowing around at the top echelons
of the sport.  $5000 seems more in line to me, but i'm not a Nascar
orrificial type.

at least they take it more seriously than pro hockey.

richard
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From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Rules update
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:42:25 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <14OCT199223023473@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>In case you missed Speedworld, here are the results to come
>out of the latest FISA meeting.
>
>Mandatory pitstop rule has been cancelled.
>
>World Sports Car has been cancelled.
>
>IndyCars have been granted permission to
>run at most 6 races outside U.S/Canada but
>they all must be ovals. 
>

[ ... ]

>As for this IndyCar nonsense, Surfers Paradise isn't a oval
>and it is on the 93 schedule, so I don't think CART cares
>too much about getting FISA's permission to race.

I believe they said "in addition to Surfer's Paradise".

>George

Brian
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: MS Publisher Advice Sought (yes, that's right!)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:06 GMT

Pardon the interruption on racing - I'm currently road'
testing Microsoft Publisher to use in motorsports-related
stuff (would MS like to sponsor PITSTOP?).......

I know some of you guys work up there and I'd like to ask
a few basic questions of an expert.  Please email me if
you can help.

thanx,
-cball-
(and why aren't there any racecar cliparts included in the
Publisher package????) :-)


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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: IndyCar stuff
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:15:09 GMT


The latest AutoWeek had some interesting (disclaimer:  AutoWeek has been known 
to be horrendously wrong) news:

Their article on the Nazareth race implies to me that the Galmer Al ran was 
not the G93, but just a different G92.  The article says Al's car was a "new" 
Galmer chassis which was "actually a monocoque built via a different process 
than the previous three tubs, rather than a new design."  This doesn't sound
like the '93-spec car Galles had promised earlier.  The rationale for using it 
rather than going with the tried-and-true was that they knew Al would probably 
get a top-three finish with the "old" G92, but what he needed was a win if he 
hoped to stay atop the points.  So they gambled.

In their results they also have Vitolo and Prappas reversed from what I had,
with Vitolo finishing 20th and Prappas 19th.

AW says:

Rahal will be using the Truesports TR-92 chassis next year, with designer Don 
Halliday creating a modified design to take advantage of the Chevrolet-Ilmor C.

While Buick is withdrawing from IndyCar racing, Jim Wright and Lee Brayton's
Buick shop will continue to supply and service the Buick V6's.

An IndyCar team [Ganassi?] has offered Ayrton Senna a deal matching Mansell's
with Newman/Haas.  And of course there's also a rumor that an F1 team is
trying to buy out Mansell's contract.

Stefan Johansson will run with Tony Bettenhausen's AMAX team in '93, and,
get this!, they'll have 1993 Penske chassis with Ilmor C engines.

Derek Warwick, who tested with Hall/VDS and was considered a possible 
replacement for John Andretti in '93, will race for the Footwork F1 team in
'93.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:28:25 GMT

white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:

>one more question.  My friends new argument, is that one usually gets worse
>gas mileage on heavier treaded tires (snow, M & S etc.) then on summer
>tires.  Thus, he argues this proves that the reason racers use slicks is for
>mileage, but we use treaded for better traction...

Okay, excuse me, but I missed all the orginally posting about this,
but...WHAT!!!!!!!....okay, slicks for better mileage?...Ya right, I
don't know what he is talking about and neither does he, slicks help you
get traction, plain and simple...m and s tires help you get traction
too, but the tires are for two completely different purposes...
and if you care to beleive what minamal difference the weight of the
tread makes on milage, then you might also like to know that mag tires
are suppose decrease mileage also, but i have yet to see any...also, in
winter, you mileage goes to hell normally cuz of sticking chokes, high
idles at warm up, and generally shitty weather...

ya...good mileage on a top fuel dragster...Ha..I'd like to see that...