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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: WHAT DOES POLY-UNSATURATED MEAN
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:06:06 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 18998@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
>
>Also, are there other types of oil or fat?


Very basically speaking, oils are organic compounds, i.e. made of
mostly carbon and hydrogen with a little oxygen, nitrogen, and others
thrown in occassionally.  Poly means many.  Unsaturated means fewer
hydrogens attached to the carbons.  So Poly-Unsaturated oils are
oils that exist as many individual oil molecules joined together
(like polyethylene plastic is many molecules of ethylene joined
together).  The unsaturated part means that some of the 
carbon bonds are double bonds and therefore the carbon has less
hydrogen attached to it.  When you see the expression "hydrogenated"
that means the double bond has been broken and the carbon atoms
fully saturated with hydrogen.  Saturated fats and oils are similar.
I'll have to consult my organic chemistry book to remember why one is bad
and the other is not in terms of consuming fats and oils.

Hope this doesn't muddy the water to much for now.
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: LF or FF Oatmeal Cookies
From: reed@pa881a.inland.com
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:12:25 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: schiewer

Does anyone out there have a recipie for low-fat or fat-free
oatmeal cookies that they'd be willing to share with the rest of us?

Or alternately, is there any low-fat butter substitute that is good for
cooking?

Thanx in advance.

					Dave
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: alice@media.mit.edu (alice lei)
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:28:42 GMT

>What is Lidex?  Is it a corticosteroid?  Is it prescription? What are it's
>side effects and long-term impact?

just so you guys know
lidex is available only in prescription
i finally got fed up with my skin problems
and went to a hospital and saw the staff dermatologist
(after seeing a few specialists)

ANYWAYS
this stuff was great
but i was warned about side effects 
like stretch marks and maybe some discolouration
so i used this stuff very conservatively
(its also damned expensive)

but just to give you an idea of its effectiveness
the dr gave me some little samples of it
and i almost didnt have to fill rx 
cause it was almost gone by the time i was forced to buy it

remember 
excema only goes into recession
it doesnt go away


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: banchy@tron.bwi.wec.com (Banchy)
Subject: Concept II Ergometer cross-training w/running
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation, Baltimore MD.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:04:52 GMT

Apologies if this is a FAQ, but I don't have access to any rowing 
newsgroups.  I'm considering purchasing my first "real" piece of
home exercise equipment (other than a windtrainer) for full-body
workouts, and I wanted to hear from anyone about the Concept II.

Unfortunately, none of our local stores have one in stock to try,
so I'd like to hear from netters.  Specifically, I want to know
if it is better than the Liferower (which I have tried and found
to be pretty bad).  Also, has anyone had success cross-training
with running?  I run about 3 times per week (my 10k pace is about
38min), and I need something that gives a good 45min workout on
my off-days, or days like today when the weather stinks.

Input on price and how to pick up a used machine would also be
appreciated.  I think the price through a store (after markup)
is about $800-900 in this area.  BTW, my reason for looking at
the Concept II instead of the Nordic Track is that I feel like
a rowing workout differs from a running workout more than a
X-country workout would, and the variety would be more rewarding.
Comments?

Tom

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tscwhitehead@cc.weber.edu (Clarke Whitehead)
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Weber State University
Date:  4 Jan 1993 14:06 MST  

In article <1993Jan4.170559.20805@ra.msstate.edu>, jonesk@ur.msstate.edu writes...
>I have been diagnosed with eczema on my hands and my allergist
>prescribed Diprolene, a steriod-type salve. It really seems to help.
>I'm not allergic to anything, he said, after allergy tests. He
>also said to avoid getting my hands wet and to use vaseline on them
>as well.
> 
>Kay Jones
> 
Kay,
I have had eczema since I was a kid (probably at least 30 years now).  I
have used cortizone and corticosteroids (including Diprolene) off and on
the whole time.  These ointments seem to have very little if any effect
any more other than moisturizing.  I haven't overused them either, because
I've always been aware of the potential long-term problems with them.  I'd
encourage you to look for more natural ways of dealing with eczema if
possible.  I'm now trying to identify things in my diet that aggravate the
eczema and deal with stress that contributes to it.

Clarke
From: scott.powell@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Needed: a manufacturer
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:58:47 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!scott.powell@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

I've adopted a rowing machine from my brother-in-law (it's been shoved in a
closet for the past three years) and even though he assured me all the parts
are there; they aren't.  The manufacturer (I believe) is a company called AJAY
and the rowing machine is called an Octa-Gym.  It seems to be adequate for
what I need, but I need to get it in working order first.  Has anyone out
there ever heard of this company or particular machine.  If so please email
me. Thanks in advance,

| Scott B. Powell    sbp00@amail.amdahl.com    Use the truth as a shield     |
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: troy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Troy Cauble)
Subject: unusual ankle pain
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:47:08 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I've suddenly developed an unusual (for me) recurring ankle pain and
stiffness with no swelling.  Anyone want to take a guess at what I've
done?


Chronologically:

Wednesday night:
	Played volleyball after several weeks off.  No noticed injuries.

Thursday morning:
	Woke up with an extremely stiff ankle that hurt to bear weight.
	I had trouble flexing my leg forward.  I could put weight on it
	if the foot was out in front of my body, and I spent the early
	morning hobbling around like this.  The pain was just above and
	just in front of the inside "ankle knob".  Absolutely no swelling.
	It gradually loosened up, and by the time I showered and left
	for work it was feeling OK.

Thursday night:
	More volleyball.  Some pain warming up, that I eventually worked
	through.  Some pain after 2-3 hours of relaxing afterwards.

Friday morning:
	Woke up stiff and painful again.  This time it lasted a couple of
	hours into the work day.



Thanks for any insight or advice,
-Troy

(the email address in the header is wrong!)
troy.cauble@att.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mikep@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Preedy)
Subject: weight_loss
Summary: advise on losing weight from the waist down
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:06:32 GMT

I realise there is no such thing as spot reduction but I have a friend who is
desperately trying to lose weight from her waist down. She is 23yrs old, 5'9"
and weighs approx. 62kg (136lb). Her figure above the waist looks very good as
she has toned arms, a firm stomach (smallish chest). However, she does have a
cellulite problem around the hips, big calves and fattish ankles. I guess a
lot of this is caused by genes but she would like to remedy it if possible.
She has been working out 3 times a week for about 2 months doing aerobics
and weights. She also eats quite sensibly.

Any suggestions on how she could combat these problems would be welcome.

Please send replies to my email address below.

-thanks...

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                   | International Head Office
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Harley Myler <hrm@engr.ucf.edu>
Subject: NordicTrack Gold
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 02:51:14 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Central Florida
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:46:44 GMT

Anyone have any experience with a NordicTrack Gold?
From: biz@soil.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dave Bisignano)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: I need some help starting out!!
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:33:46 GMT
Reply-To: biz@soil.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Well the holidays are finally over and I put on a few extra pounds.
Now I want to lose them along with getting into shape.

My goal:  To turn myself into a bodybuilder type shape 

My idea:  Lift light weights everyday using every (normal) muscle 
    (ie. chest, arms, shoulder, back, legs, and stomach) for a month
    to hopefully lose the weight and build a good foundation.  Then lift
    heavy weights until the goal is achived.

Problems:  I just had my knee reconstructed so I can't do any areobic
     excercises where I would put any pounding on my knees.  So this
     restricts my to bike riding and stair climbing, except it's to cold to
     ride a bike and I don't have a stair climber.

Is this a good idea or will I be doing more harm than good?

Solution:  ( you fill in this blank )

thanks in advance
Dave Bisignano
biz@soil.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: haro@sable.jpl.nasa.gov (Raul Haro)
Subject: Consecutive days workout?
Reply-To: haro@sable.jpl.nasa.gov (Raul Haro)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:25:06 GMT


Hi There!

I have a question about working out on consecutive days on the same muscle
groups. What I do know applies to mass building and I know that you should
allow at least a day before working on the same muscle group. My questions
are:

1. Does this also apply to muscle toning using free weigths?

2. Does this also apply to muscle toning using circuit training (machines)? 

3. What are the effects, if any, for not allowing a days rest.

Thanks

C-YA
Raul
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:46:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.192219.21089@news.acns.nwu.edu> bergstrm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Bergstrom) writes:

>On the other hand, I agree that supporting body weight is "cheating" but
>I really don't know why it should bother anybody.  Frankly, I don't
>see how supporting your body weight with your arms on a Stairmaster
>is any different than supporting your weight with your butt on a
>LifeCycle. 

Because when you cycle, your lower body does the work, and all of the
resistance comes from the tension on the bicycle.  Sitting doesn't 
change the resistance.

When you do the stairmaster, the work again, is done by your lower
body, but only some of the resistance comes from the machine.  A lot
of it comes from your body weight.  When you lean over, you do two
things: you support your weight with your upper body rather than
your lower body, which decreases the resistance, which makes it
easier, and you strain your back by assuming a bad posture.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:25:10 GMT
Subject: Re: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.fitness


|According to classical fitness theory, very high reps (ie. hundreds) with
|low weight improve the slow-twitch aerobic muscles - which does NOT result
|in significant hypertrophy.
| So why do women who do lots of aerobics develop huge calves ?

Who says 100+ pounds of body weight is light weight?  Whenever one lifts
up to their toes, they use the calf muscle and put a lot of weight and
work on that muscle.  I personally love nice calf muscles that women
develop from walking in heels (essentially walking on their toes all the
time).  I have known football players who walked on their toes on
purpose to develop large calves.

To get this weight down, one actually needs to breakdown the muscle to
food.  This only can be done with extra-long aerobic workouts (eg 20+
mile runs).  

I guess for women, having large calves is not "sexy".  I personally like
calves if they have definition regardless of size.

Kirk
From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Backwards Re: Stairmaster Positions
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:59:33 GMT
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: loanstar.tamu.edu
Keywords: eat more moose

In article <C0r6GK.IxM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, 
edelosh@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Edward Delosh) writes:
|> There is one method of using the Stairmaster which I don't believe has
|> been mentioned.  I recall reading in Bicycling magazine (in an off season
|> training article) that a good way to work slightly different muscle groups
|> is to flip around and do it "backwards".  I don't remember the speicifics
|> of the article, and I rarely use the Stairmaster myself, so I can't tell
|> you any more than that, but someone might want to give it a whirl.....

I do this regularly.  And I get stared at regularly.  When the machines at
my club aren't crowded (530am or 10pm mostly) I go 15 forward, 15 back, 15
forward.  For the straight-up-don't-hold-on-correct-posture crowd, it should
be noted that it is much harder to hold on when going backwards anyway (because
the side rails are tilted in a most goshawful way).  I can state from experience
that it is harder work going backwards.  And when I started this (I had been
using stairmasters the normal way for a year previous), I heard from muscles
I didn't know I had.

Now, as for "correct positions"...I don't hold on in either direction, and I
don't crank the intensity level anywhere near max.  I do sweat and I do
achieve my 70% heartrate for the 45 minutes.  Therefore I am happy.  But
I don't understand what the big deal is about slumping over the front
of the unit.  Granted, it may not be as efficient, but as far as injury
is concerned, what is the difference between this position and the power
pedal position I take in any windy bike race?  The "calories expended" output
of the stairmaster won't be right if you are slumped, but if your goal
is to burn fat, what's the big deal as long as you elevate your heartrate?


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: lowfat diet (10%)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:27:46 GMT

I just saw this on Compuserve ====================================
=================== [ begin included message ] ======================

Subject: Bodybuilding Info
From:    Ian Poulin 72700,1244
To:      Martin Greenberg 73727,2274

It seems that I have missed the first note in this thread and
changing my message acceptance date doesn't affect things much.
But, from what I can tell, it deals with keeping your fat intake
between 10 and 20 percent and a question arose as to how it could
be done and still be a meat eater.  As a lifter/builder, I now do
it every day....
the following is the meal routine that I took on today, for instance:

Breakfast:              whole grapefruit (ruby red)
                        one low fat dannon yogurt
                        5 egg whites (egg whites contain NO colesterol
                        and little of the egg's fat)

Mid morning snack:       8 rice cakes (yeah yeah, I can hear you saying
                         OUCH! STYROFOAM!  Actually,the flavored varieties
                         aren't all that bad)

Lunch:                  2.5 cups cooked rice
                        10 ounces turkey breast
                        1 nectarine

Mid afternoon snack:    1 low fat dannon yogurt mixed with .5 cups rice

Dinner:                 about 10 ounces chicken breast
                        two baked potatoes
                        six pieces of broccoli (sp?)

During the day, I drank about 50 ounces total of water, 50 ounces of
Skim Milk, 30 ounces of Apple Juice and 20 ounces of Coke...  I also
take Amino Acid tablets, which provide me with an additional 6 or so
grams of protein per meal.

The total result on this follows:

5160 calories
(yes yes, but I'm an extremely active individual and stand
at 7'0" and weigh 285#)

305 Grams protein
844 Grams Carbs
22.4 Grams Dietary Fiber
62.4 Grams total fat (24.3 which were saturated)
539 Mg Cholesterol

Total of Calories from:
protein:        24%
Carbs           65%
fat             11%


I went on a regimin similiar to this about 8 months ago when I
started training again for the first time in 4 years.  The first thing I
noticed is that I was FULLY awake for all my morning and afternoon
classes (in the old days during my 30% calories from fat diet, I LIVED
on caffeine to bring me through my afternoon classes), my ability to
think clearly improved, homework was finished quicker, test results got
better and I was feeling quite healthier.

Question? :)         Ian Poulin  72700,1244

=================== [ end included message ] ======================
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:39:06 GMT

In article <Jan.8.13.43.01.1993.19045@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
>Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
>Date: 8 Jan 93 18:43:02 GMT

>gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:

>>In article <Bq06AE.Dx8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson)
>> writes:

>To be a bit more specific:

>>>       At the gym here at the U of I, I see several different "techniques"
>>>that people use on the stairmaster :
>>>
>>>       1. some people put their hands on the front of the console and
>>>          stand erect.  Nearly all their weight is on their feet.  These
>>>          people only use the stairmaster for about 25 - 30 min on a
>>>          med-high setting

>This is the proper posture for using the stairmaster.  These people are 
>using their hands for balance.  You say that they *only* use the stairmaster
>for 25-30 minutes, but that is really a long time, and it is quite a good
>workout.

>>>       2. others lean all over the hand trails and support most of their
>>>          weight that way.  But these people usually go about an hour
>>>          on the highest setting

>They can go for an hour because they are cheating.  This is like doing
>stomach crunches and letting your head rest on the floor in between each
>one.  You can exercise longer, but you won't get the full effect of the 
>exercise.

>Also, these people risk injuring their backs.

>>>       3. still others lean when they get tired.  After leaning on the
>>>          rails for a minute or two, they'll let go of the rails for a
>>>          while.

>Again, they are cheating.  Slow down if you need to, but don't bend over.

>>>   Which one is the "best" for an aerobic exercise??

>The first one.

>>>   Will doing #1 build more muscle?

>I don't think  the stairmaster is supposed to be used to build muscle.  
>Toning and conditioning, yes, building - no.

>-- 
>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
>Publications Coordinator - User Services
>Rutgers University Computing Services


I would like to defend the "leaning-over" (aka "cheating") posture. I've 
read, and have found from personal experience, that using an upright posture 
works the quads more, while leaning over is better for the gluts and backs 
of the thighs. For maximum butt toning, it is recommended that you go 30-60 
min in a weight-forward position on a low resistance. I also have a bad 
back, and this position causes me no discomfort whatsoever.

Lee Ann Wentzell                          "...foodless toads in 
Biology Department                        voluptuous chambers panting
Acadia University                         crawled..."
Wolfville, NS, CAN              P. B. Shelley - Prometheus Unbound
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:50:54 EST
From: BILL PHILLIPS <WFP101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: "Serious growth" by Leo Costa Jr.

  I started using "Serious Growth" around this time last year.  For 2 years
prior to that, my weight stayed around 185-190 lbs.  All my lifts stayed
pretty much the same also with only minor strength gains.  After 4 months on
the program I weighed about 225 and put at least 50 lbs on my bench and about
100 on my squat.  My other poundages also went up accordingly.  "Serious Growth
is definitely the best training program I've ever used and I plan to continue
using it for a long time.  Incidently, my bodyfat only went up slightly over
that 4 month period and the gains were completely natural.  I had alot of
people in the gym asking me how I was getting so big so quickly, 1/2 of them
were competitive bodybuilders.  No one would believe me when I told them how
I did it.  Oh well, their loss.  :-)
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 "You spot them on the streets of the city      """  (Penn State University) "
  and, increasingly, in the malls and parks     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  of the suburbs.  Sometimes they band          """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
  together.  Mostly, they walk alone.  Body-    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  builders.  You know the kind.  They strut     """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
  like no others, holding their elbows wider    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  than their shoulders, legs far apart.  I      """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
  know, I am one of them."
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