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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: How did Australia and New Zealand Decimalise
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:54:37 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

One w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk asks, "In Australia and New Zealand was
decimalisation done by messing about with the value of the currency unit
(eg the pound) or with the value of the sub-units (eg the penny).  In
other words did they do it by letting one cent = one penny 
                                or  one dollar = 1 pound."


    Neither.  In both countries we used the equation
    one dollar = ten shillings.

    This gave us one cent = 1.2 pence, but a convenient 
               five cents = sixpence and
                ten cents = one shilling.

    The old sixpence, shilling and florin coins were retained as five,
    ten and twenty cent coins (there are still a few in circulation),
    but the old halfpenny, penny, threepenny and half-crown coins were
    all withdrawn from circulation.

"Was there any special reason why Australia and NZ both changed the
names of their currency while the UK did not?"

    In New Zealand, at least, it was thought that it would be confusing
    to continue to use the same name (apparently no-one thought of "new
    pound" as a temporary measure).  Many, like me, dislike the use of
    the name "dollar" which is not in any way distinctive of New
    Zealand, but the new Minister of Finance, one Robert David Muldoon,
    was determined to have his way and the dollar it was.  

    The earliest issues of the new ten-cent coin bore the words "one
    shilling", but nobody in real life called it a "shilling" and the
    words were soon dropped.  One thing to be grateful for is that
    American slang terms for currency didn't catch one - no "dimes" etc.
    We do hear the term "buck" though, mainly in the mouths of tele-
    vision game show hosts.

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Lyndon Watson                              L.Watson@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: gill@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gill Dobbie)
Subject: Re: Ice T
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:51:11 GMT

Did anyone see Ice-T in Auckland? I saw him and Public Enemy in
Brisbane last night. It was a good concert, they didn't sing/rap
Cop Killer, they used the fact that the police didn't want them 
in the country in the show, and they were advocating a good
relationship between whites and blacks.

gill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: unflattering newspaper headline
From: barryp@otago.ac.nz
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:53:25 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug21.123338.10278@waikato.ac.nz>, hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> In article <1f224250@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org>, James_Swindells@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (James Swindells) writes:
>>  * Original to Katoa at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
>>  * Forwarded Sat Aug 15 1992  13:49:37 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet
>> 
>> MAORIS GET SI FISHERIES.  This is the rather unflattering headline in this 
>> mornings Dominion.  Why were there no similar headlines like CROWN TAKE 
>> FISHERIES FROM MAORIS  or CROWN TO RETURN WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY RIGHTS?  
>> Isn't this just typical of the 'well they weren't using it productively so 
>> why are they getting it back (Vattelisation)' nonsense.  I disagree with the 
>> word get, it implies something other than a justifiable return of property 
>> rights.  
>> 
> 
> Probably because such a thing as ocean, isn't ownable (Under NZ law), like land
> (Or the top 5cm of it anyway) is. You can't own an ocean (Or the fish in it).
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, the fisheries belong to all New Zealanders. Does it
> realyy make a difference what colour you are? Sometimes I think that the
> Waitangi tribunal is more racist than the Boers of years gone by. (Come on.
> Somebody tell me I'm a racist for daring to imply that someone who isn't white
> is a racist).
> 
> 
The rights to fish have been ownable since the introduction of quotas during
the last Labour government.  In typical fashion they tried to solve the 
problem of overfishing by giving away something they didn't own.  The
Waitangi tribunal has now clarified the position of ownership of fishing
rights and now it is up to the government to rectify the position.  There is
nothing racist about the Waitangi tribunal.  Anybody who has had anything to
do with it will tell you that.  People may not like the situation but the
tribunal just looks at the law and historical evidence to decide what is
the appropriate outcome.  Have you even read the decision?

Barry Phease
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,alt.tasteless
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Subject: BRAINDEAD PREMIERE in Wellington ...
Organization: blah
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:53:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tasteless

Braindead -- Peter Jackson's new movie premieres in Wellington tonight.
Braindead is another splatter movie and features many NZ personalities.
Horror film buffs in Europe and the United States heaped Jackson with
praise for his amateur debut BAD TASTE and the followup, MEET THE
FEEBLES.  Braindead has been praised as his best yet and won a special
effects award at the Rome festival for fantasy films.

Braindead has already been well received in showings at the Cannes film
markets.  German audiences at a Nuremberg film festival were in
hysterics.  But Jackson says tonights premiere has special significance
-- his parents will be there for tonight's showing -- "they saw Bad
aste and liked it but I think they found meet the Feebles a bit much",
Jackson said.

Yesterday Jackson was in court defending the movie against a Wellington
man who was trying to bring an injunction to prevent the movie being
shown -- the man objected to certain scenes in the movie at Karori
cemetary where his family's grave was shown in the background.

Jackson is now working on a "psychological drama" about the Christchurch
Parker-Hulme murder in 1954.  It is a true story about the intense
relationship between two Christchurch schoolgirls. They murdered one of
the girls' mothers when it looked as if they would be split up.  jackson
said there would be no gore in this one.  "Braindead has been loads of
fun but I think i'd get a bit bored if I did another horror".


(paraphrased from Thursday's DOM)
-- 
Pat Cain, PO Box 2060, Wellington, NZ  ()  em: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:02:29 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>In article <2287@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>> 
>>>patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
>>>>There are many systems offering Usenet news and e-mail.  But for
>>>>Telnet/Usenet/ftp etc. you're best to signup for Wellington City
>>>>Council's CityNet service.  It's totally free and there are free
>>>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>TANSTAAFL!
>> 
>> Sorry but could you tell me what that means in ordinary English? ? ? 
>>

>There aint no such thing as a free lunch

Ahh, I get it! Very good indeed. Sorry I was so dense :-)

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Media and bits of an economy
From: James_Swindells@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (James Swindells)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:02:38 +1200
Organization: Te Wahapu 
X-Comment-To: Barryp@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Barryp)

 * Original to Barryp at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
 * Forwarded Wed Aug 19 1992  00:02:38 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet

Ive repiled to Nigel with much the same message.  A much better article 
appears in this mornings Dominion by the research manager of the Waitangi 
Tribunal Micheal Belgrave. Its a pity that such distortion can occur even in 
our media but I guess journos find it difficult to condense 400 page+ reports 
and still mantain the interest of thier readers and sell newspapers. Perhaps 
we could have a new soap opera entitled Shortofinformation Street?
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Ice T
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug18.114208.10159@waikato.ac.nz>,
maj@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> > hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking) writes:
> >> >>>>> On 2 Aug 92 21:56:53 GMT, hamish@waikato.ac.nz said:
> >> hamish> Here Here!!
> >> 
> >> I think you mean "Hear, Hear!!", as in I *hear* you.
> 
> I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
> sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
> of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.

No, "here, here!" is a netball term, meaning "give me the ball!". :-)

"Hear, hear!" is
"an exclamation of approval from the hearers of a speech" (Chambers),
and "hear! hear!" is
"an exclamation used to show approval of something said" (Collins).
I imagine it originally meant something like, "listen to this guy!".
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: Re:  Ice T
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:52:15 GMT


In article <R5BePB2w165w@tornado.welly.gen.nz>, barton@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Richard Wolfe) writes:
>banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks) writes:
>
>>  starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan) writes:
>>  
>>  > We need ice t to educate us ?                              
>>  > how do you mean we should follow his songs and shoot cops  
>>  > kill our mums suppose he had said KILL University students
>>  > that would be ok with you ?
>>  

Yay, I say lets have open season on them starting as from now ;-)


>>  > why is it that some of you uni students (not all or even most)seem to 
>>  > think that you hold all the answers to the worlds problems get out of 
>>  > school and live life a little find out what the real world is like 
>>  
>>     Oh no... not another 'Get a *real* life you useless student' person. Have
>>  you considered the whole reason I am a student is so that I am prepared to
>>  get a job and a real life? No too simple I expect... I mean do you think I
>>  enjoy the effective workload of a job and *not* getting paid for it?
>>  
>>      Philip
>>  

I'm with Philip here, things have been really tight for students with
lack of jobs for them, having to borrow money etc, etc, also to mention
the fact what employment is there for them when they finish their degrees.


>Students are not particularly violent, dumb example.  

That's right it could have been door to door Amway Salesmen, rubbish
collectors, Telecom telephone techicians or the man who comes to read
the meter.
                                                                            
>Of course Ice T should have his song played.  The minute you limit speech, 
>of any form, 
>you create dangerous precedents for the opression of any viewpoint not 
>accepted by the "majority" (read: the dominant culture or organisation)  
>Cop Killer does not spring from the haphazard association of words done 
>for a laugh, or even just to piss people off.  It comes from real 
>resentment towards the exertion of just such controlling behaviour as 
>previous correspondents recommend.  

Excellent point, rest deleted. The Police were the first to make the 
fuss about it, now Time-Warner can sit back and watch the money roll in,
for all the free publicity.

> Music is meant to be enjoyed, and if your cup of tea has no ice in it, 
>that's no reason to pull the plug out of the freezer.

Too right!! Now go and buy the album 13 by Head Like A Hole (a bit of
free publicity for those dudes), it really kicks arse!

>P.S this was written on a friend's username
>p.p.s these views are my own.
>p.p.p.p.s I think that's everything
>           love
>                Stephen Pawn

That was nice of him :-)

Cheers

--
Red
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:21:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.UeYcA8200XNI0Q7XBn
	<1992Aug16.235755.13910@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 16-Aug-92 Re: car prices
> and need advice Derek Tearne@nezsdc.icl. (1112)

> The New Zealand safety code is more stringent than the Japanese and the 
> Jap imports have to undergo modifications e.g. different seatbelts,  to
> be 
> allowed into New Zealand.


I'm not sure whether the people who have been posting are aware of it,
but it is the case that for many people, use of the word "Jap" as oposed
to "Japanese" has a slight perjorative connotation. I have no idea
whether the authors  or the articles intended to suggest  any
opprobrium,  but,  in the apposite words of Fowler, when commenting on
the use of  words other than `Jew' to refer to Jews, "The fact remains
that *Jew* is the current word, and that if we mean to substitute
another for it, it is well to know why we do so".
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:10:25 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <1992Aug20.122101.421@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:
>Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> New Zealander women, having a problem finding a New Zealander man?
>> 

Nope.

>> What  about woman New Zealanders who neither want nor need to find a New
>> Zealand man, but who would prefer to find another New Zealand woman. Or
>> conversely?
>
>yeah, can we have a BiSexual electronic matchmaker?
>
>I mean, these things usually have a heap of categories anyway, adding
>sexuality can hardly be that complex... And given the `activity' level
>on soc.bi especially, I reckon it should go down a treat, mate.
>
>MOZ
>weirdly queer, you know.

Good idea.

Yes please add me to the mailing list.

--
Red  not a queer, but doesn't care...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: What is this social contract stuff?
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:06:28 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <1992Aug19.040548.19989@trl.oz.au>, lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood) writes:
>What is this Social Contract?  Is it credible?  Who wrote it?  Does this have 
>any connection with any political party or organization, in NZ or outside?
>I was just wonderring if there's any story behind it.
>
>The Social Contract article follows:
>
>meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>
>>Found this in our Notes disk, where someone was requesting the Treaty,
>>will this do instead?
>
>
>>Note 234.0                       Social Contract                      No replies
>>MED::BROCKIE "Roger"                                 98 lines   7-MAY-1990 09:50
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>~Subject: Explicit social contract
>>~From: paul@actrix.co.nz (Paul Gillingwater)

>>Here it is folks... the *explicit* social contract....  :-)
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>                           SOCIAL CONTRACT
>>            between an individual and the New Zealand Government
>
>
>>       WHEREAS I wish to reside in the islands of New Zealand,
>>          and
>>       WHEREAS the New Zealand Government controls the area of
>>          the islands on which I wish to reside, and
>>       WHEREAS tacit or implied contracts are vague and therefore
>>          unenforceable,
>
>>       I agree to the following terms:
>
>>       SECTION 1: I will surrender a percentage of my property to
>>       the Government.  The actual percentage will be determined by
>>       the Government and will be subject to change at any time.
>>       The amount to be surrendered may be based on my income, the
>>       value of my property, the value of my purchases, or any
>>       other criteria the Government chooses.  To aid the Government
>>       in determining the percentage, I will apply for Government
>>       identification numbers that I will use in all my major
>>       financial transactions.

>>       Copyright 1989 by Robert E Alexander.  May be distributed freely.
>>       Slightly modified for New Zealand by paul@actrix.co.nz
>>-- 
>>>Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.co.nz

My goodness, there's a new one born every minute, dont you know you've been
had.

Tee hee...

--
Red
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:58:22 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <RL5FPB2w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz> bill bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
>
>Bring the car anyway. I emigrated five years ago and left two cars behind 
>- a three year old Cortina and a six month old Citroen 2CV. We sold 'em 
>for a few grand and could only buy a single clapped out Jap heap with the 
>proceeds when we got here. Things have got much better, but New Zealand 
>roads are full of cars considered too dangerous to be sold in Japan.

Well, cars have got a lot cheaper here in the last five years.

As for Jap imports being considered too dangerous to be sold in Japan?
No way!

The reason that we can get second-hand Japanese cars cheaply is
because their system is set up to encourage buying new cars. This is
done through increasingly expensive 'roadworthiness checks'. We don't
get the cars that fail - we get the cars that it isn't worth to check
because the fee is so high!



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Sir Robert Muldoon Dies
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:21:08 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) writes:
>>I was actually thinking of the likes of Merv Wellington and another idiot
>>who I am completely unable to recall the name of at the moment.
>
>Ben Couch, perhaps??   Though the Muldoon cabinet had so many idiots it's
>hard to guess...

That's the one! Proof that a single-figure IQ needn't hold you back...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:57:55 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Aug13.215822.28927@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>In article <RL5FPB2w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz> bill bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
>>proceeds when we got here. Things have got much better, but New Zealand 
>>roads are full of cars considered too dangerous to be sold in Japan.
>
>Well, cars have got a lot cheaper here in the last five years.
>
>As for Jap imports being considered too dangerous to be sold in Japan?
>No way!
>
>The reason that we can get second-hand Japanese cars cheaply is
>because their system is set up to encourage buying new cars. This is
>done through increasingly expensive 'roadworthiness checks'. 

The New Zealand safety code is more stringent than the Japanese and the 
Jap imports have to undergo modifications e.g. different seatbelts,  to be 
allowed into New Zealand.

Once they are here they should be safe enough.  May fall apart a bit sooner
than one may expect but we won't know that for another couple of years...

Derek Tearne
-- 

Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand --
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Weather Talk
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:07:24 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

>davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell) writes:

>here in (Northern) California we have 85deg, blue skies (OK - so now and then
>there is a bit of smog) and rain forecast for sometime in December (maybe).

>After 10 years in Auckland, this is great!

I come from Dunedin and live in Berkeley (30 miles north of Stanford
and a totally different climate) - I find the South Bay (ie Stanford)
too hot for me (I don't like needing air-conditioning ....) Berkeley is
nice - hot days and a touch of fog in from the Golden Gate to take
the oppression out of the air and clean out the smog. I just spent a week
in the Black Rock Desert 100 miles north of Reno NV - this is reputed to
be the largest piece of flat land in the world - temperatures reached 115 in
the shade - and there wasn't much of that - and really dry - I think I drank
3 or more gallons a day (those are the smaller US gallons of course :-) and
it all was sweated out of me - boy it's great to get back to somewhere sane ...

Auckland on the other hand is too wet for me - it gets twice the rainfall
Dunedin does - everything seems to get damp and moldy ....


	Paul




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	You read his lips ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:14:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.155912.10079@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> There aint no such thing as a free lunch
> [Reference "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", R.H. Heinlein]

Uh, that's Robert *A* (Anson, I think) Heinlein.


And some people just don't get it -- I saw  a TV ad for a hotel this week
that says "There's no such thing as a free lunch, but at XXXX there
*is* a free breakfast!"

::sheesh::  Beam me up, Mannie!  Why Knott?

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Ray.Nickson@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ray Nickson)
Subject: Re: NZ Power Problems?
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:25:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.171445.4810@zoo.bt.co.uk> jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager) writes:

   Seen no posts on this for a while. Have your problems gone away? I guess
   the S Island snow must be beginning to melt now.

Yes, the crisis has passed and the problem has faded from public
notice for another little while.  I see all those ridiculous,
unnecessary lights are back on, and the ignorant loser down the
corridor from me here (I don't suppose he reads this, but I'm not
sorry if he does) has gone back to running his two electric heaters in
the office with the door open.