HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Territory of Ancient China : Qing Dynasty
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:07:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:

>Mr. Yang: You are definitely a big China chauvinism PIG.  period.

Mr. He, when did you learned the word "period"?  
Mr. He, It's not strange at all see a person like you in
mainland China, after all, mainland is a warefare system.

You are even more stupid than a real PIG. 
(Maybe you are curious at what I mean by "PIG"--American PIG or
Chinese PIG, the answer is: the kind of PIG just like
your name, it doesn't like either one.)

Ze Yang
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: an armchair fighter
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:19:17 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <4974@rosie.NeXT.COM> ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu) writes:
=In article <9209102353.AA15950@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of  
=Taiwan) writes:
=>Taiwanese will fight
=> for what ever price they have to pay even destroy the
=> Earth. Taiwanese will never let blood thirsty CCP get
=> away once they start invading Taiwan.
=
=Yes, I see you are fighting very hard with your fingers and keyboard and  
=may be a can of Coke, in an air-conditioned room at San Jose, U.S.A. 


Exactly, but without a/c and coke.
As to my fingers and keyboard, that's my best and most powerful
weapon.

Look, how the population view of sct has changed.
Certainly it is no way contributed by me, but I am
always willing to contribute my humble opinion.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13231 soc.culture.china:25406
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:22:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <BuAsu6.16L@rlyeh.multisys.com> rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>Yea, sure if you want to be a blood thirsty student killer Chinese,
>be my guest, but do not count me in. You have your freedom to be
>a killer and I have my freedom to be a Taiwanese. Please do not
>force your will upon others.

Are you trying to say that all/most Chinese are killers?  

>Every child born in America knows who he or she is, an
>American.

I am one "born in America" person who considers himself to be Chinese
as well as being an American.  That seems to bother some TI people.
From: eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Wei Wu)
Subject: Re: Air fare to Taiwan???
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:54:19 GMT

In article <yeh.15@sceng.ub.com> yeh@sceng.ub.com (D. Yeh) writes:
>In article <BuK3qJ.I47.2@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:
>
>>Hi s.c.t. netters,
>
>>I am planning to go back to Taiwan to visit my family in december, and 
>>I would like to know what are the current air fare from different airlines,
>>and also what are the good deals for air tickets.
>
>>I appreciate any kind of help, since it's hard for me to get informations about travel agency promotions and sales to Taiwan here from Pittsburgh. I am sure people from other parts of U.S. have better access to this kind of information (i.e, CA, NY, OR, >tc...).
>
>>Thanks in advance,
>
>>     Tsen
>
>	The air fare could be quite expensive between Dec.13 and Jan.10, '93,
>	since that period is considered as a hot season. The price I got is
>	in between 950-1000 (weekday), 1000+ (weekend) from San Francisco
>	to Taipei.
>	
>	>> David
Hi:
The last time, which was about 2 weeks ago, I ask the travel agent, they
told me that the fair will be expensive on and after DECEMBER 11, instead of
13. And the most expensive way is to have connected flight. Although I was
asking the fair to HK, but I think the principles aplly. And NW is not 
cheap. United and Asiana are.
Roger.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13201 soc.culture.china:25365 soc.culture.hongkong:10679
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The AutuMid-Autumn Festival
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:36:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Sep11.182921.17245@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted)
>Well, if it is a "Gua," then at best it is a prediction, but you sound
>like it is a fact and use it to support your claim that Lady Chang's
>life is miserable on the moon. Besides, the Ri stuff may not work on moon,

Really?:-) I said it was the ealiest recorded STORY :-)

>Now, you really need to show some evidence to support this. Some may

I can't recall the reference exactly. From my decaying memory, it was
from a Dr. Zhang's "Chao Ye Qian Zai" (Records of what said in both court
and contryside) in Tang dynasty. A simpler version was in Han dynasty's
another Dr. Zhang who was a famous expert of "HuenTian" and "DiDong".

Another reference about her miserable life may be from <lisy@poem.tang.gov>:

Chang E Yin Hui Tou Ling Yao (Mr. Chang should regret her stealing of drug)
Bi Hai Qing Tian Ye Ye Xin. (Translation waiting for Tuya or XiaoFei)

>think that this is originated from Hou Yih, but I suspect that this
>could be a rumor spread by Lady Chang's Qing2(love) Di2(opponent) ...

Probably :-) But nevertheless, before Tang dynasty, few people believed
Ms. Chang was happy on the moon. Sorry to lovers of Ms. Chang.


-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: a joke, just a joke
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.043525.1148@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.193548.16837@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>>  Korea has already three major car-making company and another one has
>>>>  just started.  For taiwan, it was turned out to be impossible to build
>>>>  a car  they had to ride motercycle.  That is why there are many
>>>>  motorcycles in Taiwan.
>>>
>>>  Are you day dreaming? The Taiwanese government even worry about the lacking
>>>  of parking slots. As for the korean products, they give people the same
>>>  impression, cheap-price & worst-quality. There are NOTHING to be proud of.
>>>
>>
>>Then Taiwan may only produce high-price & no-quality cars.
>>Don't look down other people's achievement, don't look up too much on your
>>own achievement. Even talking about IC industry, Taiwan is in no comparison
>>with South Korea. Many people believe South Korea may become another Japan 
>>in the future, Taiwan is never on that track.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>Dastard Koreans,
>
>    Don't just argue without any evidence.  I have posted an article,
>    which talked about how POOR Korean cars are, referenced by Comsumer
>    Reports.  That's an evidence, how come there's nobody who dares to
>    beat it?  Why?  Because you're DASTARDS.
>
>Timothy Cheng -- A Guy from Taiwan
>

Korean cars are sold a lot in US.  That's true.  But that means Korean cars
are good cars?  To assert so, there is an assumption: Cars sold in USA are
all good cars without exception.  Is the assumption right?  Definitely NO.
There are a lot of poor cars in US marketplaces.  Why do those poor cars exist?
Since people need them.  Everybody in US needs a car, but not everybody can
or want to afford an more expensive US/Japan-made car.  So, Korea take the
adventage of its cheap labors to make exporting cars to US possible.  How 
about Taiwanese cars?  Taiwanese cars are expensive?  That's true.  They are
peanuts?  Not necessary.  Taiwan's high labor rates make Taiwan-made cars out
from US, but not because of the quality.  Of course, you, Koreans, can argue
with this without EVIDENCE again and again.

Timothy Cheng
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:53:24 GMT
Organization: New York University

shchen@eos.ncsu.edu writes:


>In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>|>
>|>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>|>
>|>>If what Mr. Yang said is true --- CCP's crash brings major disorder
>|>>to mainland, why would Taiwanese choose to unify with a more messy mainland,
>|>>even though it's lousy enough now?
>|>
>|>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>|>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>|>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>|>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>|>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>|>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
>|>
>|>Ze Yang
>|>

>Bad analogy, Zeoron.  The Nation of Taiwan has always been politically 
>and geographically independent from China and it always will.  Keep your 
>Chinese trash in the mainland where it belong.

This gentleman talks like dog, you cannot see any logic
arguments in his post.

Ze Yang
From: ifat555@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ray Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:33:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>..........
>     Formosa is Taiwan old name....it mean is Taiwan is a beautiful treasure
>island............. Taiwan this name is by Chen Zen-Ko name.... but although
>the Formosa is Spanish name....but if it is good name why we want to refuse..
>.........  I hope Republic of Formosa is Taiwan Future name...... Don't told
>again Republic of Taiwan (ROT) <- too bad... mean is dirty,bad food or...)
>..........
> If you want to blame me or support my idea, you can mail for me.....
>My Email address:   c_tsai@uk.ac.brispoly.csd
>.

I can't resist to blame you!

If you want a word means like Formosa, why don't you pick it up from chinese?
Do you think there are lots of people who understand Spanish care about
the name of your country?    

STUDY MORE CHINESE!

By the way, what's wrong with using ROC if what you want is TI not a 
revolution? Chinese had TOO MUCH revolution already! Everybody wants
to begin his own dynasty. What the hell is the difference between TIers
and Mao? This is why I hate TI!

Ray Huang.
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Bush or Clinton?
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:09:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Riverside

I'm interested in knowing which candidate the
readers of soc.culture.taiwan would vote for.
I know that there are probably some (a lot?)
of people reading this group who are not US
citizens, but let's just pretend for a moment
that you can vote.

Bush: Well-known for protecting PROC.  Agreed
	to sell Taiwan some very-outdated
	fighter aircraft only because he wants
	the Texas vote.  But if he gets re-
	elected, at least there's a chance
	that he might carry his promise of
	selling the aircrafts through.

Clinton: Concentrate on domestic issues, and
	less on foreign aid and involvement.
	This might also mean reductions in
	immigration/import to protect the
	American workers.  He's more anti-PROC,
	but that doesn't mean he'll treat Taiwan
	any better.

So, who do you think is the lesser evil?

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Keywords: "Taiwanese"?  "Mainlanders"?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:32:01 GMT

In article <Bu5CGw.ACr@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:

>If people is citizen of ROT, who dares to kick he or she out?
>I guess you suffer a lot from KMT's and CCP's brutal governing
>which makes you believe Taiwanese will never have a democratic
>government eletected by the pople.

Hmmm.  I thought that a few posts ago, you just called Mandarin speakers
"barbarians."

If this is an attitude shared by most TIers, then there will be major
discriminatory problems towards the WSR if Taiwan becomes independent.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13159 soc.culture.china:25290 soc.culture.hongkong:10665
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The AutuMid-Autumn Festival
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
&&>> In article <1992Sep10.234948.24498@dsg.tandem.com>, leung@DSG.Tandem.COM 
&&>> (Steven Leung) writes:
&&>> I'd like to thank yilin@mits.mdata.fi (Yi-Lin Lee) for refreshing 
&&>> our memory of the fairy story about Chang-O. I'm actually more
&&>> interested in her life in the moon. All I know is that there appears
&&>> to be a Jade Rabbit accompanying her. And also, there is a fellow
&&>> by the name of Wu Gang living there too. Now, I have a few questions:
&&>> 
&&>> 1) How the Jade Rabbit and Wu Gang get there?
&&>> 2) Any story about what Chang-O and Wu Gang are doing there (no
&&>>    tabloid please)?
&&>> 
&&>>    Steven
&&>>    ------
&&>>    328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
&&>>       - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
&&>>
&&>>	Hmmm, here it comes ...
&&>>
&&>>	The Jade Rabbit makes medicine ( maybe just the pill Chang O ate )
&&>>	there. It stays with Chang O all the time.
&&>>
&&>>	Wu Gang is a dismissed saint cause of some mistakes. He lives in there
&&>>	for a long time. It's said that he cut the Gui-Hua tree. But that tree
&&>>	couldn't be cut off actually. So he does it for a long time. It's said
&&>>	Wu Gang are also good on making Cui4-Hua1 Wine?
&&>>
&&>>	Chang O ??? I guess that she just stay there do some research works 8)
&&>>	go to the party and make  friends and then post some interesting items
&&>>	on this group 8)
&&>>
&&>>	Ha! Is it interesting 8)
&&>>
&&>>	Nice to talk here, have fun !!!
&&>>
&&>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Language
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:50:44 GMT

In article <9209101907.AA14899@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.161456.14172@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.
>EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>=>let those Mandarian speaking barbarians learn the beauty  of  the
>=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>=More like a racist statement.
> 
>I am not smart enough to invent that term 'barbarians'. You
>should chack History books and KMT's or CCP's propagandas.

Please elaborate.  Where has the KMT (or the CCP) called the Mandarin
speakers "barbarians"?
>=
>=And you say that you don't reject the WSR...
> 
>Now, here comes the tipical KMT syndrome. Did I mention
>any word related to WSR? Mr. Nelson Lu probably is
>a KMT's WSR, and he believe KMT == WSR. So if I attack

Nope.  I am equating "Mandarin-speaking" to WSR.  Isn't that what your
intention is?

>anything related to KMT, he automatically presume that
>I was degrading WSR. Why is this? Why you want to take
>blame of KMT's crimes? Or you really have somthing to do
>with KMT's evil?

Where *did* you attack KMT?  You were attacking *Mandarin* speakers.

For the record, I am a BSR who speaks both Taiwanese and Mandarin (and English)
extensively.  Does that make me a barbarian?  Does that make me
half-a-barbarian?  Does that make me, in the words of some racist TIers,
a "three-legged monkey"?  (And I am anti-KMT (and anti-DDP) as well.)

If anyone is doing any improper "equating," it is you, by equating someone
who's Mandarin-speaking with "barbarian," and by equating anyone not for
TI (not just anyone who's anti-TI) with KMT/CCP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.025406.26269@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
=In article <BtrxC2.7Dx@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
=>
=>I don't quite understand you guys' questions.
=>Is Taiwan an independent nation or a sub-state of another nation now?
=>
=>If Taiwan is not an independent nation now, than who
=>is Taiwanese Head Master?
=>
=>If Taiwan is an independent Nation now, why all the fuss about
=>Taiwan's Independent?
=>
=>Now come to real question.
=>
=>If Taiwan is an independent Nation, than who makes you believe
=>that Taiwan is not an independent Nation, who makes you smart
=>educated guys brain washed?
=>
=>Taiwan is THE independent Nation and KMT & CCP make us
=>believe Taiwan is part of China.
=>
=>The fact is Taiwan is an independent country over hundred years.
=>
=
=Although Taiwan is politically running like an independant country, such
=as it has a passport, consulate etc., but it cannot be recognised by
=most of other countries in the world.  The governemnt in Taiwan does not

You are not recongized by me as a human, so you are not a human?
There have billions of people not recongized by billions of
people, so all the human on the Earth are not human.

What a strange argument!

=think Taiwan itself is a country and the government represents Taiwan
=ONLY.  In a sense, officially, you cannot see any balck-and-white paper
=or whatsoever saying "Taiwan is an independant country itself".

Officially, you cannot see any black-and white paper
or whatsover saying "Y.C. Liang is a human." So according to
your argument, you are not a human? Then what are you?

=This is like the story about "Mr. Zhen Cheng Gon" who was the general of
=Ming danasty in Taiwan.  Neither Ching danasty nor Mr. Zhen himself
=thought that Taiwan was a new danasty.  Isn't that a similar scene 
=now.

Who cares what other people think? What we, ourselves, Taiwanese
think are more important then Y.C. Liang think. And we don't
even know he, she or it is a human or not.  :-)

=
=Regards.
From: sldz4@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: a joke, just a joke
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:38:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University



>> [stuff deleted]
>>Also I heard the engines in Hyundai are designed by Mitsubishi. Take
>>a look at Excel, they look just like Mitsubishi Precis.
>>

>I need to elaborate the statement above. Yes, old models of Hyundai excel
>look like Mitsubishi Precis. Hyundai could make the engine for excel, but
>have some technical problems to fix their engine to pass US test to
> [stuff deleted]


87-88 Mitsubishi Precis in the U.S. are manufactured by Hyundai in Korea.
However, it was imported by Mitsubishi.

In article <1992Sep14.043525.1148@ultb.isc.rit.edu>

 >Dastard Koreans,

 >   Don't just argue without any evidence.  I have posted an article,
 >   which talked about how POOR Korean cars are, referenced by Comsumer
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        
 >   Reports.  That's an evidence, how come there's nobody who dares to
 >   beat it?  Why?  Because you're DASTARDS.


I'll show you something.
These articles are from rec.autos.

:Message-ID: <11SEP199222560729@cc.utah.edu>

:In article <Bu4tHA.EzH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v069pff7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snake-Eyes) writes...
:{ 
:{I am thinking about purchasing an '88 Hyndai excel. can anyone who owns one 
:{tell me what they think about it...thanks
:{-Joel

:Well, I don't own an '88, but I just bought an '89, and actually I was 
:scanning the news to see if anyone else had anything to say about them.
:I love it.  The Consumer Reports Guide to Used Cars rates it very 
:highly, about the same or maybe slightly less overall than a Honda
:Civic of that year, but you can't touch a same year Honda for the 
:price of a Hyundai.  The phrase which sticks in my mind the best from
:Consumer Reports was "Sirloin features at hamberger prices."  

:Stay away from the automatic transmission; it accelerates sluggishly
:and shifts abruptly.  The basic 3dr hatchback of '88 shouldn't sell
:for more than about $2600.  Mind you, the "low-book" loan value of
:the car will probably be much (like $1000) less than that.

:Otherwise, they are great on gas, cheap to buy, and cheap to insure.
:Good luck!

and one more.

:Message-ID: <190pr7INNdu8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

:In a previous article, djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) says:

>In article <Bu4tHA.EzH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v069pff7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snake-Eyes) writes...
>{ 
>{I am thinking about purchasing an '88 Hyndai excel. can anyone who owns one 
>{tell me what they think about it...thanks
>{-Joel
>

:one of my friends has an 88' Excel, I think it is a pretty nice car, if you
:could get it for a good price..his is a 4 speed....

So satisfaction of car depends person to person.


>Timothy Cheng -- A Guy from Taiwan

H.Y. Kim
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BSR and WSR
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:45:18 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Sep13.170838.13965@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>
>Again, the actual vote was in 1913.  The written form for colloquial
>Mandarin had many missing characters that had to be invented (e.g.
>[men] as in [wo3men0] "we"), or overloaded using an existing character
>([de0] as in the adjective -> manner adverb prefix).
>
>H"ol"o has two sublanguages, an academic language and a colloquial
>language.  The academic language is a set of pronunciation rules
>for the Han character, and is used for sounding out formal, written
>text.  The colloquial language is what people actually speak.
>So you can't claim that H"ol"o is "defective" in any way.
>

Just as a matter of information for my sake, is there a standardized 
way to write H"ol"o understood and accepted by a large number of 
people ?  I'm thinking of the fact that Chinese of all dialects seem to
write only in bai2hua4, which is colloquial Mandarin. When I worked in
SF Chinatown long ago, I was struck that Cantonese scriptwriters had a
hard time writing verbatim TV scripts in Cantonese.  They had to resort
to nonstandard characters (you3 "have" with 2 lines missing to 
indicate moh2 "not have") and even English letters ("D" to mean 
something...). This question should not be taken as a negative comment
on the use of H"ol"o. I am not a strict advocate of Mandarin, and find 
the insistence of using it in all formal situations to be ridiculous.
I'm just curious.

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan