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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
From: dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:58:20 -0400
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

In article <SUOPANKI.92Nov15004340@zombie.oulu.fi>, suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki) writes:
>>>>>> On 13 Nov 92 08:06:54 -0400, dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) said:
> 
>>> when you do things with a computer you have to type, use mouse etc.
>> Doug> For IO bound apps.
>> 
>> I guess you use telepathy to launch a program....
>                                                        
> Doug> ray-tracing, compiling, morphing,  etc... Yes, telepathy if you like.
> 
> So you have to only think and Amiga starts to do ray-tracing,
> compiling, morphing, etc. Amazing. Maybe I should buy an Amiga too.
>
Did I say that? no... My point: A fast CPU is as only as good as the amount 
of use itgets.  You wanna argue a 486 better than a 68030, use those examples
not "fast users can type faster"
 
>> What I meant is that there must be "faster computer users" than the
>> original poster: they can type faster, launch programs faster etc. etc.
>> And if they have faster computers with good software most of them sure can
>> get more things done.
> 
> Doug> All Im saying is that your argument assumes a "faster computer user" or
> Doug> whatever the hell that means.  Stick that "fast" computer user on the a3000. 
> Doug> Is there a difference?  The a3000 got problems moving a mouse pointer? 
> 
> Sorry, my argument doesn't assume that. An average or rather slow
> computer user would be enough, but if I can throw in the fastest
> alternative, why should't I?

read your passage again.

> Sure a "faster computer user" can get more things done than a "slow
> computer user" on Amiga too. But the original poster said _he_ can get
> more things done. He may be fast, but there must be even faster ones. 
> 

argggg.
this is getting silly.  Goodbye.

-- 
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From: ruocco@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (sergio ruocco)
Subject: Italian Financial Newspaper Confused CD-I with CDTV ;-)
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:55:26 GMT


The 'Il Sole 24 Ore', the most prominent italian financial newspaper ,
publish every friday a four-pages extra on EDP & computers.
Last friday, 13 Nov 1991, appeared an article on CDTV:
An english teaching school (British Institute) will replace magnetic tapes
and recorders with cd-rom and CDTV; the funny thing is that to explain
what CDTV is, the author said in the beginning that _CD-I_ and multimedia disk
are read by CDTV, then that CD-ROM, CD+MIDI, CD+G and plain music CD's can be
played by the CDTV.
My personal opinion is that Philips paid to advertise CD-I system, but people
see preminently CDTV in consumer electronics stores and computer magazines;
Result: the mass perception is that CD-I is a Commodore's CDTV player 
special disk format (!).
Thanks Philips to help C= to sell CDTV ! ;-)

- Sergio

PS)
	I don't watch frequently TV, so a my friend told me that
	in Italy, after pushing it like multimedia reader,
	Philips is promoting CD-I as Photo-CD reader !

PS/2 ) :(
	Sorry for the bad English

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EMPLANT ?!?
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:13:39 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Nov23.124701.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> skiddgj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>HI all
>
>The emplant seems like a really wonderful piece of hardware, but, does it
>actually exist or is it just another piece of vaporware?
>
>Does anyone "own" one? how much? where? what can it do? 

I'd like to jump on this bandwagon:

Has anyone out there actually installed the 386SX Bridgeboard into their 
Amiga3000?  Has anyone installed it, and replaced the CPU with the pin 
compatible Cyrix 486SLC?  Amigans have OFTEN cited this as a Good Thing,
making Amigas sound like a great all-around choice.
Also, has anyone actually put the Emplant AND the 386SXBB togather?
And run Amiga, Mac, and MS Windows on the same monitor?

>Ciao fer now.
>
>...Glen...
>-- 
>/------------------------------------------\ /---------------------------------\
>| Glen Kidd                                 | "If at first you don't succeed - |
>|                                           | try, try, try to destroy all     |
>| SKIDDGJ@cc.curtin.edu.au                  | evidence of your feeble attempt, |
>| SKIDDGJ%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet    | and deny that it ever happened." |
>| uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!SKIDDGJ |                    --- me        |
>\------------------------------------------/ \---------------------------------/


-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:26:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <VXRTTB5w165w@bugend.edvina.se>,<BxMwAE.L5H@starnine.com>
  <1992Nov14.131846.1672@msus1.msus.edu> <torban.721901669@csuvax1>

>Back to the serious stuff...
>...and what about videoing stuff from TV?

The supreme court ruled in legal in the landmark Sony vs Disney case.

>Sure, this thing goes on in peoples houses everywhere, why do you think
>blank video and audio cassettes (as well as disks) sell so much.  The point
>is however, that despite the _rampant_ disregard for copyright here,

You are allowed to make tapes of stuff from the airwaves, as long as its
for personal use only. Its only a copyright violation if you try to sell it.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:16:08 GMT

In <37041@cbmvax.commodore.com> campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS) writes:

>In article <kdarling.721534036@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>R Hernandez writes:

>Did YOU attend CES and see their demonstration?  I did and I asked the
>Phillips representative about it.  He admitted that they were trying to give
>the impression that it was running off of the Phillips player with a
>MPEG card added, when in fact IT WAS NOT.  Therefore, from my viewpoint
>it was at least a misleading demonstration.  (I believe it was actually
>running from a Compaq.)

I was at the CES and one of my friends asked a Philips guy what
processor the CD-I used, and he said that was a bit too technical to
answer! So I ended up telling him...

It was Saturday though: maybe the guy's brain had burn out!

----

E.F.Pritchard                       ///
efp90@uk.ac.soton.ecs           \\\/// Amiga     I seriously need something
University of Southampton        \xx/            to go on this side of my
England.                                         signature, any ideas?
Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:45:00 -0500 
From: Brian T Cheek <bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: QUADRA vs. EMPLANT parable

Matt Crowd replies to Brian T. Cheek:
>>It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
>>Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
>>
>>You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?

>You forgot one thing, EMPLANT doesn't work.

>>Waiting...

>Waiting...

Remember the old punch line, "Ma'am, I may be drunk, but you'll still be
ugly in the morning."

-Brian :)
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:39:12 GMT

In <1992Nov23.014704.23178@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (M.S. Ashton) writes:
>How can 16bit(65536 colour) graphics be "true colour".
>16 doesn't divide by three,so it's obviously not based on Red/Green/Blue 
>combinations.Nice graphics,yes,but true colour???

It is. One of the prime colors has _either_ one more bit of resolution
(f.e. 5 red bits, 6 green bits, 5 blue bits) _or_ it can be used to enable
an overlay signal (aka genlock).

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:13:28 GMT

In article <jbickers.0jbq@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Nov20.144918.15860@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@mickey (Jerry Shekhel):
>
>> That's a stupid argument.  Gee, the OS on my Atari 800 occupies 10K, while
>> AmigaOS requires around 200 times that to be effective.  Get the point? 
>
>    No, THIS statement of yours is STUPID and DENSE. The OS on your
>    Atari 800 that occupies 10K isn't EFFECTIVE. AmigaDOS IS, OS/2 IS.

Hmm, how about at the time?  I dunno too much about the Atari800  
>
>    Some people buy Amigas TODAY because of the OS. Some people buy
>    PCs with OS/2 because of the OS. Only a NUT would buy an Atari
>    800 TODAY because of the OS (in fact, ever, IMHO, for any reason -
>    it's like buying a ... a C=16 or a Plus/4).

Hey! Leave my poor Plus/4 alone! :-)

>> Jerry J. Shekhel					jerry@msi.com
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:10:45 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

imr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian M Rae) writes:

[Stuff deleted]

>>consider that the Falcon has no modes on "true-color" on hi-res that
>>are NON-INTERLACED!  Was it non-interlaced even on 256 colors?  Don't
>>remember, but then, your criticisms about the Amiga (interlace) apply
>>to you even more.

>you what... if i get a cheap ( 170 pound and falling all the time ) bog standard
>VGA monitor i can have upto 768x480x65536 non-interlaced... OK so its interlaced
>on a TV but then so is every Amiga in the world.

No the 768x480x65536 is only available as an interlaced screen mode.
The VGA modes only support 256 colours.  You will not be able to display
65536 colours on a VGA monitor ie You will require either 2 monitors or
a multisync to get the best out of a Falcon.

>Anyway lets wait ( come on Atari :( ) and see huh ?

>Ian Rae
>Software Engineer
>University of Birmingham

	Mark

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Shut the fuck up!!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:21:39 GMT

In article <jbickers.0jiv@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <SUOPANKI.92Nov20225132@stekt5.oulu.fi> by suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki):
>
>> Ever heard of OS/2 or Unix and Windows mulktitask seamless enough
>
>    Unix and Windows don't multitask seamlessly enough for me. I think
>    Unix is a bit unwieldy for a single-user personal computer, and
>    Windows sucks and is too "crashworthy".

So, Mr. Bickers, I take it that it is your opinion that OS/2 
a seamless multitaskers, quite weidly, and doesn't crash too much?
>> -Heikki
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: birjt@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.003931.1679@msus1.msus.edu>, kevin@msus1.msus.edu writes:
> In article <1e2imsINNr9e@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) 
> writes:
>> 
>> '>Actually, what use would you have for it except shooting people and use 
>> '>it to threaten them?  
>> 
>> 	You can say that about any rifle or pistol.  Yet Congress has 
> 
> 	.....or baseball bat or kitchen knife or a 2 x 4.  It's the person
> weilding the object that makes it threatening. 
> 

The problem with this arguement is that these objects have have primary uses
which are not involved with violence. A gun has one primary function, to kill,
and in an urban situation it is to kill humans. Banning guns won't stop murders
but it will make muderers less efficient.

Russell,

> 
> ============================================================================
> Kevin Whyte						kevin@msus1.msus.edu
> 	**Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
> "Still, the best augers are those who divine from the portents of the past. 
> They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook
>
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: marc barrett is in hell   -- NOT!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:03:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <BxDtLK.GCB@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> In article <CSHORT.92Nov6170622@ogygia.nmsu.edu> cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.) writes:
> >
> >with commodore once again churning out competetive machines and
> >actually advertising...
> >
> >and...
> >
> >president clinton with a mostly democratic congress...
> >
> >marc barrett must be in his own personal hell..
> 
>    Not really.  It will be a lot of fun seeing if the Demosocialists can run
> the country better than conservatives.  These people have been wanting to get 
> their hands back on the controls of the national economy for a long time, and
> now they have their chance.  And, since the Demosocialists control all of 
> congress and the White House, they will have to take full responsibility for
> all that happens.  The next four years will be ***FUN***!!!!
> 
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------

Yes, yes.  Now go away, please
 
Glenn Doiron
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: The Falcon has a 16 bit bus
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:44:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.022610.18908@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
|> In <37217@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
|> >Another amusing one is that they list "Super VGA" graphics, but then
|> >describe it as 640*480 256-colors, which I'd consider not-very-super
|> >in PC land SVGA terms.  If that's SVGA, then we've got it too.  8-)
|> 
|> 640x480x256 _is_ SVGA as VGA only specifies 640x480x16.
|> 
|> Regards,
|> -- 
|> Michael van Elst
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|> Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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   He just said that that 'SVGA' "is not-very-super" in PC land SVGA
terms... I agree.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Please use a different typeface, [was: Re PC, etc]
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:36:16 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.0770@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Jayson Phillips [also others]:  Please discontinue using
>proportional fonts when posting messages, it makes them difficult to read
>and chews up storage/memory.

I don't think that there is any news software that handles anything more than
normal 8 bit ASCII characters.  And some transport mediums only use 7 bit
ASCII.

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Also, from my personal experience of calling in to amicol.UUCP, the DLG Pro
editor allows quoting of articles when doing followups.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:10:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.034022.1460@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:
> Personally, I can't see how people can claim that a "pirate" is
> depriving anyone of anything. I have heard people bitching that 
> the pirate is responsible for lost money, food from kids mouths etc;
>  
> The one thing that flaws all these points is the fact that the "pirate"
> never bought the software - nor WOULD they have bought it, therefore 
> there is no net gain and no net loss. I would certainly admit that 
> if they stopped all together pirating stuff, that *some* of them might
> be inclined to purchase a package or two, but the vast majority would
> simply not bother to buy it. And now that I think of it, doesn't
> piracy HELP (?) software producers in some way? After all, they
> [pirates] have to BUY it originally to copy/crack it - therefore I
> believe that the pirates make no "real" difference, as before, 
> "pirates" generally never buy... not that they would if forced to 
> stop, they simply cannot afford to, or just wouldn't bother to.
>  
>  Not the facts, just *MY* opinion on the matter.

Okay, let's apply that same logic to other issues.  The car thief never bought
the car, nor would they have bought it, therefore there is no net gain and
no net loss.  The bank robber never earned the money, nor would they have tried
to earn it, therefore no net gain and no net loss.  The rapist never asked the
victim if they wanted to be raped, and the victim might never know what they 
might be missing if he did, therefore no net gain and no net loss.  The mass
murderer never cared if the victims wanted to live, and they didn't know what
might happen should they do so, therefore no net gain and no net loss.

Do you see how positively silly your argument sounds now?

The fact is that software piracy is no different from other forms of theft
and it is the opinion of moral and decent people that it is wrong.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Pirate Basher
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (M.S. Ashton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:47:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

How can 16bit(65536 colour) graphics be "true colour".
16 doesn't divide by three,so it's obviously not based on Red/Green/Blue 
combinations.Nice graphics,yes,but true colour???

___
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The best way not to be unhappy is not to have a word for it.

The opinions expressed are entirely those of myself and the little purple 
people that visit me from time to time.They are not those of my employer,
basically,because I haven't got one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:52:20 GMT

Farrukh Alavi writes:
> The CDTV Photo CD demo wasn't running off a Compaq - it was running off a
> CDTV. Both the CDTV and the DCTV box required to view Photo CD files were
> available for sale. The only thing preventing Commodore from promoting
> Photo CD compatibility (within the context of the DCTV box) was the
> licensing arrangement (Kodak was willing, Philips wasn't).
 
That's a great story, but it seems to ignore a few critical points.
In order to be promoted as a full "Photo CD" player, there's a lot more
involved than just reading some picture files off the disc.

The CD-ROM drive would first need to be able to handle multisession discs.
The player *must* also use Kodak display algorithms, it (probably) needs
a Bridge Disc (modified ISO9660) file manager, and (probably) will need
to be able to use the coming expanded Photo CD menuing/audio features...
which is handled on Kodak players via a custom ASIC, and on CD-I players
by including a CD-I program on each Photo CD disc.

So it would seem that CDTV didn't meet Kodak specs as a "Photo CD player."

> On the subject of Photo CDs, HAM-8 with a Photo CD datatype on the new
> Amigas makes an excellent way of seamlessly integrating Photo CD into the
> Amiga OS. Hope that Philips drops its objections to Commodore licensing
> the technology - after all, they don't mind Apple building Photo CD
> support into QuickTime. 

Right, which again is why I doubt Philips is the main holdup.  It's likely
far more a matter of Kodak hiring someone internally to do an Amiga port...
the same problem which faces an awful lot of other computer types, btw.

> Of course, if they don't, it is not impossible to reverse-engineer the
> Photo CD file format and release it as a public domain datatype...;-).
> (Not that I'm necessarily advocating this 'brute force' approach).

There's already source code for that posted on the net ;-)  Unfortunately,
Kodak says anything not licensed from them can't be called "Photo CD", and
since "Photo CD" covers more than just their file formats they have a point.
Which is why I think we should just call it something else and have fun :-)

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>