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From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Don't mail me this CRAP!
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:03:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Why do these people e-mail me????  Let me just make it PERFECTLY clear
- I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYBODY'S DIET SCHEME SO DON'T TRY TO SELL ME
ANYTHING!!!!!  I am VERY happy with WW and I am not going to buy or
look at anything new!!!!!   LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!!!  This is my
response to the following message that was sent to me, and for any
others who fell so compelled to try and sell me DON'T WASTE MY TIME!!!
And by-the-way, it was a hell of an intrusion!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: "Paul J Pival" <pjp23@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-Id: <9207252113.AA21881@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
To: lmc@cs.duke.edu
Subject: Re: optifast again
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Cc: 
Status: R

   I hope I'm not intruding with this note, but I read your
message and wondered whether you've heard about a newly-
introduced (as of June 19, 1992) weight management progam 
which allows you not only to maintain your new weight but 
requires NO DIET and helps build muscle as well.  (I know 
what you're thinking, and the answer is YES, it *works*.)

   Please let me know if you'd like more information.

Best,

Paul Pival
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lady@vesta.unm.edu (Just some lady..)
Subject: Re: exercise and swelling
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:45:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: alt

I find my hands swell when I walk also.. I believe its from keeping the hands
down too long and lots of blood decides to go there. If I walk with my
hands up (elbo's bent like a jogger) it doesn't happen.. 
 
just my $.02 :)



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From: sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Summary: First pie -- now muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:55:21 GMT

In article <19920723100323SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>  
> I got this recipe out of an _American_Health_ magazine the other
> day.  I admit I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds good.  The
> recipe claims to be "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg. of
> cholesterol" but I don't have the figures for the actual content.
> Anybody with one of those nifty programs want to figure it up
> for us???
>  
> Dannon Muffins
> --------------
> Ingredients:
> 1-1/2 cups all-purpose flour
> 3/4 cup sugar
>  
> Lite Streusel Variation:
> Combine 1/3 cup sugar and 1/2 tsp. cinnamon.  Fill muffin cups
> 1/2 full with batter; place tsp. of sugar-cinnamon mixture on
> top of each and add batter to fill cups 3/4 full.

For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:

MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!

How can you seriously believe that 1-1/2 cups of flour and 3/4 cup
of sugar can be useful on a DIET! "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg.
of cholesterol" just *screams* LESS THAN WHAT????

The only successful weight loss method is a lifelong change in eating
habits. When you've succeeded in losing all the weight you want, sure,
eat a muffin once a month or so. But to post these recipes in a
support group for people who are in the throes of trying to lose
weight is not doing any favors to those people. On the contrary, it
perpetuates a habit that has clearly resulted in overweightness -- if
not obesity.

Again, eat a piece of fruit.

Peggy Sweeney






 
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From: analyst@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: nutrasweet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:24:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I got a sample bottle of this new Nutrasweet product last month at a
Price Club Expo. It's about the size of a restaurant sugar dispenser of
the sort you invert and it pours, except that it has a plain screw cover.

They told me it would be in the supers about now.

-- 
David Sternlight        David Sternlight Inc.        email:analyst@netcom.COM
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: roller skates
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:54:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:GREENWOOD,KATHY)
>Subject: roller skates
>
>Hi!
>        It sure sounds like roller skating could be lots of fun but
>I'ld like to know how they are on bumpy roads.  Do you have to use them
>on sidewalks (concrete) and bike path type places or is it possible
>along the side of a road?
 
Rollerblades tend to feel smoother than traditional quad roller skates
because of the wheels being closer together.  Try to imagine rolling
over a railroad track -- the continuous line of wheels on in-lines
will not "stick" like that space between quads will.
 
Sidewalks with cracks will go "glide bump glide bump glide bump".  I
know, I've tried it.  Multi-use paths are nice.  Streets free of
gravel are nice.  You can avoid sticks and larger rocks just by
watching where you go (and you can always jump them!).  Because of
the bearings, you must avoid water and dirt with in-lines.  If you
do come across some, it is necessary to clean the skates well when
you are done.
 
So, as for skating "along the sides of a road", I'd say it depends on
the road.  I skate on streets.
 
If you are interested in more information, read rec.skate.  It's a
very useful, informative newsgroup.  Unfortunately, our site can
no longer read the rec.* groups. :(
 
>............................................................................
>Kathy Greenwood
>Math Major (believe it or not!)
>University of Oklahoma
>
>.............................................................................
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: breigh@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Breigh)
>Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
>
>In article <1992Jul29.174306.15763@Cadence.COM>, fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>>
>> In article <19920728111339SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> I'm interested in taking up roller skating, but how much harder is it
>to skate on the rollerblades than 4 wheels.  I've never iceskated.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Cecilia 
>
 
Well, it's just different.  I don't think difficulty is an issue.
It is just something new to learn, like riding a bike, etc.
Since you are on concrete/cement/wood, you don't slide like you
will on ice.  (You can't shave pavement. :)) There is no sideways
motion.  No pivot.  I would rate in-line skates as being not
quite as stable as 4-wheel (quad) skates, but not wobbly or as
slippery as ice skates.
 
The boot of the skate is like that of a snow ski boot.  Very firm
and much larger than quad skates or ice skates.  Don't worry about
weak ankles -- you won't wobble when your in-lines are properly fitted.
 
I'd recommend renting from a local shop before buying.  The shop
where I bought mine will allow you to credit your rental cost to
a purchase.  It's a good idea if you aren't sure.
 
I know exercise does belong in a.s.d, but since this is getting more
technical, I'd be glad to talk to anyone about skating via e-mail.
And again, rec.skate is an excellent place for questions and advice.
 
TAMARA
From: joyce-linda@CS.YALE.EDU (Linda Joyce)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:44:34 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158

In article <1992Jul23.183123.18439@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>|> For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:
>|>
>|> MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
>|>
    But aren't there various muffin/bread recipes in low fat and
    weight watcher cookbooks!  Eating healthy would mean just having
    1 muffin not a half dozen.  This could replace breads at lunch.
    I've lost 14 pounds since January and have a muffin once a week
    for breakfast.  I appreciate the receipe and will try it out
    soon.
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>In article <19920723100323SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
[recipe deleted]

>For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:
>
>MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
>
>How can you seriously believe that 1-1/2 cups of flour and 3/4 cup
>of sugar can be useful on a DIET! "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg.
>of cholesterol" just *screams* LESS THAN WHAT????
>
>The only successful weight loss method is a lifelong change in eating
>habits. When you've succeeded in losing all the weight you want, sure,
>eat a muffin once a month or so. But to post these recipes in a
>support group for people who are in the throes of trying to lose
>weight is not doing any favors to those people. On the contrary, it
>perpetuates a habit that has clearly resulted in overweightness -- if
>not obesity.
>
>Again, eat a piece of fruit.
>
>Peggy Sweeney


Please think before you flame...
The pie used graham cracker crust (fattening), cool whip (fattening)
These muffins sound fine to me.  I make these kinds of muffins
(substituting milk or yogurt for butter and oil, often using less
sugar than called for) and the resulting muffins are no worse
nutrtionally than the sum of the ingredients.  There's nothing wrong
with flour.  It's actually pretty good for you.  You could do worse
that to cut way down on meat, eggs, etc and up your bread and
pasta (both based on flour -- gasp! -- but low or no fat) intake.
The muffin recipe, as posted, contains no fat (assuming you use
nonfat yogurt) and relatively little sugar, considering it makes
probably 12 muffins.

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: need help getting back on track
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:26:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <3642@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>can't give up eating.  For some reason this sparked the realization for me
>that one can take an approach to changing one's eating behaviors that says
>'anything goes' with one exception: overeating.  In other words, abandon
>the notion of achieving Dietary Perfection.  Abandon short term goals
>
>Isn't extreme undereating really as aberrant in physiological terms as
>extreme overeating? Anyway who can keep it up?  Not me,  that's for
>sure.  I've tried and it didn't work.  I'm not getting up on that
>tightrope again.  It's too much of a drag to fall off.
>
>Does any of this make sense to anyone else?   
Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  But I think it takes a fair amount of yo-yoing for
some people (I include myself at the top of the list) to realize this.
It's very, very hard to balk the conventional "wisdom" that diets
work, even when you can look around you, at yourself and everyone
else, and see that they don't (except for that elusive 5% -- it's
kind of like gambling; you see one old lady win the jackpot so
you're just sure you'll be next, even though the other 900 people
around you have just lost the farm).  

I've done exactly what that previous poster (sorry, I've forgotten
your name) has done.  I started out a few pounds overweight, got
lots of pressure to lose it (from my parents), gained more weight
in rebellion, finally went on my first diet when I was 17 and lost
down to 125, which I felt was still too fat at the time.  Over the
next five years, I gained it back plus more.  Went on a diet and
lost back down to 125.  Over the last six years, I've gained much
(but not all) back.  The only reason I think I've started to somewhat
stabilize over the past couple of years is that I've started to come
to the same realization John has.  I'm only sorry it's taken me
this long.

 

  

-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: roller skates
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:51:07 GMT

In article <19920729105451SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>Multi-use paths are nice.

Just remember you aren't the only person there.  The multiuse paths in
Boulder generally don't have a huge problem with bikes, since there are
so many on-street bike lanes (except when the college students get back
into town :-( ), but the roller-bladers are a real pain.  A lot of people
hop onto the path without knowing how to completely control themselves,
so they collide with pedestrians and cyclists (since they didn't know how
to stop, esp. when rolling downhill), they take up all 10' of bike path,
etc.  Denver has the same problem in several of its parks -- peds and
cyclists sort of get along (there are a few areas of contention), but
the skaters manage to annoy both.

Remember: it's hard to lose weight when you can't exercise due to a
broken leg.  Know how to stop, and stay aware of everyone around you.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: exercise and swelling
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:19:01 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <LGOLD.92Jul28144651@callahans.Cadence.COM>, lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:

STUFF DELETED

|> 
|> I find that my fingers often swell when I'm exercising.  Not just when
|> doing aerobics, but even while walking.
|> 
|> Is this normal?  Is this a sign of another problem?  Do I need to see
|> a doctor for this?
|>

 Hey Lynn,
  Great name by-the-way!!!!  Anyway, no there is nothing wrong with
  you.  This is a completely normal occurance and you shouldn't be
  worried.  It is your body's reaction to the increased blood going
  through your body.
 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> --Lynn
|> --


Your Welcome!

Lynn
From: moflngan@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:10:17 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <1992Jul20.163332.17757@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
> In article <15719@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul16.110425.29658@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:

>>Potato(e)s are sugar free, as far as I know.  Apples have
>>a bit of sugar in them, but not enough to cause too much trouble
>>even for diabetics as long as they don't eat more than one.

>  Isn't this
> true with alcohal, which is sugar free but bad for diabetics?
>>-- 
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
>>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Potatos are "sugar free" per se but they do contain a lot of starch which
could simply be explained as a very complex sugar, thus although it takes a
lot longer to get into the blood stream and cause a rise in blood glucose
a potato or any foodstuff containing starch/carbohydrate will eventually
increase blood glucose          .
On the subject of alcohol....... although the alcohol itself does not
contain sugar the drink which contains the alcohol generally does whether it
comes fomr added sugar or the breakdown of other ingredients in the
beverage.
The alcohol itself can cause trouble because alcohol in the blood inhibits
the release of glycogen from the liver reducing blood sugar after a time.
In a diabetic this is dangerous as the combination of a lowering of blood sugar
without the conscious administration of an insulin dose and the dulling
effect alcohol has on the brain can cause unexpected and even sudden
hypoglycaemia which may be misinterpreted not only by those around the diabetic
individual but also by the diabteic him/herself
Hope this is of some use to someone

Margaret
Trinity College Dublin, Ireland
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: sugar and blood glucose levels
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:08:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.031109.23722@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>The point when it comes to potatoes or concentrated fruit juice
>or whatever is that such datapoints are of interest to diabetics,
>but not to a large majority of otherwise healthy individuals.
>There are some hypoglycemics who exhibit an exaggerated insulin
>response to an elevated blood sugar, but not as many as think
>they do. :-/

How do we know this?  Do most labs test insulin levels when they do
a blood gluclose test, or do they test glucose only?  The point
that the insulin-resistant camp is making is that these exaggerated
insulin levels do not affect the glucose normally, so if only glucose
is checked, that might appear normal.  Even Atkins admits that people
with true low-blood sugar are rare.  He makes the case (as do a number
of other MDs who are on this bandwagon) that people who are insulin-
resistant do not have low blood sugar, rather they have excess 
insulin which overstimulates appetite, causing one to overeat, which
causes more insulin, and so on, and so on. 

The books that I have cite a number of studies that purport to show
insulin's role in obesity.  Are there similar studies that have tested
insulin levels in people on differing diets and recorded their hunger
and appetite levels? (Gee, now I sound like Chuck :-)

On the other hand, the Heller's claim that insulin is released in two
stages.  An initial release at the start of a meal, and a second an 
hour or two after eating based on the amounts of carbos eaten.  If 
this is true, then a food higher on the glycemic index shouldn't
affect the insulin levels, only the total amount of carbos would.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Subliminals
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:41:42 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

Hi, guys!

I just wanted to post the name of the organization doing the subliminal tapes
I liked ... they're from:

	Gateways Institute (or Jonathan Parker's Gateways Institute)
	PO Box 1778
	Ojai, California 93023

	Their phone number is (805) 646-8148, although I think they have
	an 800 number now.

They offer a free catalogue of tapes, and I think they offer most of the
weight-loss series as individual tapes also. I also have one of their
want-to-exercise tapes, and it really made me want to get out there and work
out. You might want to try one to see if it works for you before buying others.

Good luck to everyone. Patricia
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:30:50 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

I also got the mail from Mr. Pival after posting to this newsgroup.
Does it seem to y'all that by posting here we've been put on the 
equivalent of an electronic junk mailing list?

Perhaps a good rule of thumb should be, if you are attempting to sell
something to us (other than your ideas and opinions), please don't!

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: Re: nutrasweet
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:20:37 GMT

mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:

> I just read in our local paper that there is a new Nutrasweet
> product called "Nutrasweet Spoonful".  Mainly what it is is
> Nutrasweet processed so that it measures like sugar and is sold
> in bulk. Each tsp has 2 calories.  Still can't hold up to heat, though.  
> 
A few months I purchased a bottle of Nutrasweet in Mexico. It was about a 
quart and only cost about 5 dollars. They just haven't been selling it in 
the US.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: exercise and swelling
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 07:02:51 GMT

I wasn't sure where to post this, so here goes....

I find that my fingers often swell when I'm exercising.  Not just when
doing aerobics, but even while walking.

Is this normal?  Is this a sign of another problem?  Do I need to see
a doctor for this?

Thanks,

--Lynn
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From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: my bran muffin recipe
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:38:00 GMT


A lot of people are interested in my muffin recipe I talked
about yesterday.  I don't have the recipe with me at work.
I'll post it Monday.

     Dorothy
From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Horray for My Diet Partner
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:51:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Hey Guys!

My e-mail diet partner (you know who you are!!) joined WW two weeks ago
and has lost 7 lbs!  I think that is terrific and I wanted to let you 
guys know!  We knew you could do it!!  Keep this up and your husband
will be pushing the men away!!!

See Ya,

Lynn
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Tapes
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Date: 25 Jul 1992 09:33:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Has anyone seen/used the Denise Austin tapes?

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu

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