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From: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece)
Subject: Re: Miniseries
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:43:13 GMT
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In article <cicero.1esb@hotcity.COM> cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:

>On the subject of possible future miniseries:

>I too woul be overjoyed to see them this might be the perfect vehicle for TP,
>however there are big problems ahead for this.  Many of the original cast are
>now unwilling to do twin-peaks work, and as time passes, the younger actors
>will be unable to play the characters because they are getting to old.  Sheryl
>Lee did IMHO a wonderful job in FWWM, but lets face it,  She's already pushing
>it as a convincing teenager.


Well, i have some ideas about the possible miniseries.
First of all, if they really have a 3h40m director's cut of FWWM, 
the could do a four (or even five) hours miniseries with that. 
I think that it was made with Dune for the RAI (Italian Television). 
The Japanese cable channel WOW WOW would surely buy it. 

And for a real sequel miniseries, it could be said to happen some years 
after the original TP (for example in the 10th anniversary of Laura's
death). No problem with the teenagers getting older, and the actors not
willing to participate can have their characters "moved" to a different
city or something. 
Think about it. We could see Lucy's baby. 


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From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP reference
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:12:25 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

I just got issue #1 of "Captain Harlock: Fall of the Empire."  Anyway, it
has a Robotech serial called "Firewalkers" running in the back of the book.  
A Veritech fighter in it has various sayings related to fire painted on it, 
like "Burn baby burn" and, surprisingly, it has "Fire walk with me" painted on
the cockpit.  I was pretty surprised to see it there.

BCNU

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)     "I'll see you in the trees..."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T. Norman)
Subject: Re: Jurgen Prochnow (sp?)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.015816.20162@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shallenb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nualle") writes:
>jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>
>>I can't for the life of me remember what character he played.  Yet he
>>must have been important enough to get title-sequence billing...
>
>  He was the man with the very long beard in the room with Bob, the Tremonts/
>Chalfonts, the LMFAP, and some others.  He was in the title sequence either
>because he's a big enough name in H-wood to warrant it (likely) or because
>he originally had a larger role than survived in the US release (would non-
 						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
		Does anyone know if there _is_ a        ^
		difference between the US and
		European(etc) releases?  If so,
		could you please let us know?

Thanks in advance - and sorry if this has already come up a million
times.

-Peter
"hopelessly fighting the devil futility..."
From: mking@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: psycho lynch family
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:30:57 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lizardo.wpi.edu


Hello?  your family is rather exceptional in that all of the names are
from tp,  then again, any soapopera has all of those names.
bob, how rare a name.
dennis/denise, now that's so foreign.

guess what my name's David lynch and my mom is Laura Palmer.
and call it a coincidence or just plain fate but my brother's name is
Harry S. Truman.














Just playin with ya.
From: lzett@carroll1.cc.edu (Leslie D Zettergren)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: OAMs
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:24:46 GMT
Reply-To: lzett@carroll1.cc.edu (Leslie D Zettergren)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI


In TP Jerrard is one of the names of the OAM.
In Fugitive Jerrard is the police Lt. in search
of Kimball.  Did the Jerrards have the same first
names too?

In the Fugitive Jerrard chased Kimball who chased
the OAM.  I'm not sure whether the Fugitive's OAM
was ever given a name.



Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Blue rose, Desmond finds the ring
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:36:13 GMT

I haven't figured out what the blue rose is yet.  Maybe i'm naive, maybe
not.  Desmond goes back to find the blue rose, finds the ring and disappears.
Is the blue rose the ring?  If so, then how did Cole know about it?

How did Desmond deduce, from looking at the deputy's trailer and Teresa's
trailer that the Tresmond trailer should be his next step?  Why did he look
for the ring under it?  Why would the deputy remove it from Teresa's dead
finger?  Did he _place_ it under the trailer?

Just questions, if you've already figured these out let me know...

From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:23:00 GMT
Subject: Re: FWWM observations
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:

> Well hot damn, it seems very few people like this movie.  I saw it with my
> roommate and we both loved it!!  Enough to see it a second time today.

On the contrary,  it is getting little but rave reviews
here.

doug
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: formica table?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:44:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Sep7.151827.11259@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John
Hawkinson) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmm. Here's a really far-fetched connection:
> 
> 	"formica table" == "For Mike, a table"

And what is it that one does at a table like that?  Eat.

Have to take another look at the table at 'Dead Dog Farm' where they cut
the coke. Bet it was formica.  Notice the dog reference also.

-Rich
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Coop's Security Camera Trick in FWWM (Spoilers)
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Doppleganger:


Now, wait a minute:

  Does this remind anyone of that business in The Waiting Room during
  the last episode, or is it just me?

  Let's compare:

  Final Episode: Coop's going from room to (nearly identical) room
  in The Waiting Room, down that corridor... and this becomes so
  confusing (not just to him) that he actually meets himself coming
  and going: the doppleganger.

  FWWM: Coop tells Gordon he's had a dream [surprise!].  Next: we see
  Coop walking from the corridor to the security monitor room, trying
  to catch an image of himself in two places at once (why, we don't
  know, but it of course has something to do with this dream he's had).

   Then: HE DOES IT.  Coop looks at Coop in the monitor.  Now, besides
   this being typical-Lynch - like Senor Droolcup always being the
   harbinger of The Giant -- something strange (Coop's trick) followed
   but something truly bizzare (in this case, Agent Jeffreys) --

   I think it's a keen foreshadowing of the final episode - and a 
   connection to Annie showing up in Laura's bed talking about "the
   good Dale is in the Lodge..."  

   Considering how everyone and everything in Twin Peaks has its
   double - whether it's a physical double (like Laura/Maddy, Leland/
   BOB) or a personality double (Donna first and second season)... this
   means... what?  Comments?  

   Has Coop been expecting what happened in the final episode... all
   along?  And because of this, does he think he knows how to get
   out of it?  

   Where does the Blue Rose (Blue book) fit in?
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: Actions and Interactions (SPOILERS FROM HELL!)
Summary: Bob being mad
Keywords: Victim
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:42:18 GMT

>Maybe BoB is then angry because his mode of interaction requires the permission
>of a real world person, and this anger has turned him viscious. ALso, this 
>might make him the least powerful of all of them.

Wasn't it Bob Pierre Tremond was pointing to in the red room above th
convenience store when he said "Fell a victim" and what did he mean by that?
>
>


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: t-markla@microsoft.com (Mark Lambert)
Subject: OAM's Purification (SPOILERS)
Date: 06 Sep 92 05:00:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA 98052
Summary: FWWM, SPOILERS, GARMONBOZIA

I guess anyone not wanting to read spoilers has unsubscribed by now, but 
anyway, press 'n' to skip these spoilers or *read on*

  I noticed a bit of confusion about Mike's arm and his part in Bob's
crimes, I'm not sure if this has been answered, but:
  Philip Gerard, Mike's host, has only one arm in the film because he has 
already 'seen the face of God' and 'taken the arm off'. In the street at the
lights he tries to warn Laura of her father/Bob.
  In the Lodge, he asks for his 'Garmonbozia (pain and suffering)' because he
is reattatched to his arm, he and the Man from Another Place speak as one and
the MFAP has his hand on Mike's shoulder.

  This may be a bit contrived, but the telegraph pole bears the numbers 12480
and 6. If you sum the digits of 12480 you get 15, sum those and get 6. So 
that's two sixes. I looked hard for another, but couldn't see one. 666 is 
probably too traditional for Lynch anyway.

Mark.
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:16:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Sep11.042920.6214@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
(George Noel) wrote:
> 
> In article <37896@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> In the series, there are drugs planted in Cooper's car which later turns out
> to be baby laxative. 

Nope, it's coke. I think it does test out to be the same coke (due to
traces of contaminents, I suppose) that they find traces of at DDF as you
mention below.

>They find baby laxative at Dead Dog Farm in the sink

They find coke on the table there and also baby laxative, though the latter
may indeed have been in the sink. I haven't checked the tape.

> What was the purpose of the baby laxative? So
> they could get the money and keep the drugs? And why did Deputy Cliff try
> to kill Bobby? From instructions from Jacques?

Probably just a ripoff, not a murder. He pulls the gun, but we don't know
whether he was going to kill Bobby, maybe just demand the money. Bobby
kills him before he can fire a shot.  By the way, since it was baby
laxative, there were no drugs to keep.

-Rich Haller
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Angelo's son on brass
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:56:43 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

BTW, I heard from someone that Angelo Badalamenti's son, Andre, was supposed to be playing an instrument on the new soundtrack.  But his name isn't mentioned anywhere.  Anyone know what happened?
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: btw...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:40:27 GMT


Thanks to all of you who replyed about the ftp. 
I have another question in reference to the magazine Film Threat and
its Twin Peaks articles. Living in the silly little town that I do,
no single book store, video store or magazine place carries the
magazine and most haven't heard of it!
So, I was wondering if any of you super people who happened to be
fortunate enough to get this magazine would be willing to post some of
the more interesting articles???
I would love to read them!
Thanks

Susan
From: enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Sound FX
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:28:47 GMT

What's with all the backwards sound effects in this movie?  I thought they were
kinda creepy at parts and you don't really notice them until they get real loud
in certain scenes (like when Desmond and Stanley pull out the letter from
underneath Teresa's fingernail).  Reminds me of an elephant.

ed

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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Date: 12 Sep 1992 02:44:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Question about the various rings....

Now, since there are "good" and "evil" versions of Coop, Laura, etc.,
could there not be also "good" and "evil" version of objects, such
as the ring. Thereby, it would explain why Laura was told not to
put on the ring, yet offered a ring. There are different rings floating
about: on of these rings is some bond between the werarer and the
Black Lodge, another is a gift of protection from the White Lodge?

The ring we see under the trail that Desmond finds definitely has
the owl symbol from Owl Cave, but did anyone notice if the other
rings had the same symbol--that is if there were more than one ring?

Sally--


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: Jack Nance's scenes in FWWM?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:27:13 GMT


I read that Nance did some scenes but they were cut. Does anyone know
what those scenes were? Why were they cut?
Were there any other characters from the series who appeared in the
film but where entirely cut?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP: FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Organization: CIT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:38:42 GMT

In article <38033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
writes:
>Cherubini's Requiem in C Minor plays during Laura's death and over the end
>credits.  I am having a hard time finding this on CD.
>

If you are trying to find the exact same version
that was used for the movie, I think you are going to
have a hard time. I believe it was a recording by Riccardo
Muti and the London Symphony Orchestra on EMI. I did not
even see it in the few catalogs I perused. There are
a few versions out for the C Minor Requiem by other
performers though. What is unusual is that the entire
Requiem is sung by a mixed chorus. Most feature your
usual soloists. There is also the Requiem in D by Cherubini
sung by a male chorus alone which is supposedly even
more gloomy sounding than the C minor one. Haven't heard it
though.


>ed
>
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    UnoJ
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: What's in the video that wasn't in the pil
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 20:53:31 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> No. Again, this was how BOB was originally explained. In the
-> series the sketch of BOB was made from Cooper's description
-> (in his dreams), not Sara Palmer's.  When Leland later saw
-> the poster (in the series) he said ``I know this man...''
-> Again, this is the series plotline where BOB inhabits Leland,
-> not a physical person.
That isn't entirely true. At the end of the second 1hr episode (in Coop's 
dreem) he see's Bob. An episode of two later Sara has a vision of Bob. Coop 
refuses to go neef her, but has Harry and Hawk go and skech the man. When 
Harry brings back the skech Coop sayes that it is the man from his dream, 
that he knew his dream and Sara's vision were related, and that he didn't go 
becasue he is, "A strong sender," and he didn't want to influence her. The  
rest is right.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: The importance of the legend of King Arthur...
Summary: Significance
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:19:20 GMT

In article <193ttpINNi5o@corax.udac.uu.se> eneq@meryl.csd.uu.se writes:
>	If someone already have made a post regarding what I'm about to discuss
>please disregard this and give me a pointer to where I might read it and 
>various comments to that post...
>
>	First of all I want to state that I haven't seen FWWM and I haven't
>seen the series XXX times so I might be out of my depth but I got to think
>about this theory about going backwards in the lodge and rememberd something.
>
>	Now to the tie of King Arthur; has anyone given the fact that the
>entrance to the lodge was placed at Glastonbury Tower (or what the name now
>was) any thought? If we go back to the legend we remember that King Arthurs
>most trusted advisor was Merlin who (what a coincidens...) was said to live
>backward in time. Maybe this tie to Arthur/Merlin is just a hint given by
>Lynch to that affect that time really goes backward in the lodge (Maybe even
>Merlin was a spirit of the White Lodge) or does the connection go even deeper? 
>
>	Does anyone see any deeper connection between the two stories or am I
>just out rambling about things only I see? Glad to read any followups on this
>theme. See ya...
>
 Merlin was also a magician (like The Magician - grandson).

 Glastonbury Grove was reffered to by Cooper as "The burial place of King
 Arthur", maybe burial place in the most important part there - maybe
 the Glastonbury Grove in Twin Peaks is an old indian burial ground where
 "Mike - the seer/shaman" is buried.

  Other references to kings was when Briggs in the series was drugged and
  talks about the white lodge he says "Even the King of Rumania couldn't
  attend" - what is so important about the King of Rumania? In a flashback
  Briggs has when describing his trip to the white lodge we see him sitting
  on a throne with a bunch of trees/plants around it (King Arthur's throne?)
  And also when he was drugged he asks "Which way to the castle?" - King
  Arthur's Castle?

 -=*George*=-

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: FWWM - second time around, a second try
Summary: Animal Heads
Keywords: Meaning
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:58:51 GMT

>Both Pierre and the strange fellow from Jeffries' dream sequence are seen
>holding a stick-like item.  Pierre has it when he runs in a circle at the
>hotel (as Leland is leaving), the other guy has it in the dream sequence.

 I noticed from re-watching some episodes that Doc Hayward when going to
 Jacques's cabin also has a similar stick (though bigger) and Catherine also
 has a similar stick when she returns from the fire, and in Truman's office.
>
>Anyone else notice that we have the return of the stuffed animal heads in
>the Deer Meadow police office?  Still not sure what those imply...

I have been wondering about them also.. we see Caribou/Deer heads on various
walls, a caribou in a picture, a caribou statue by Miss Twin Peaks stage etc.

-=*George*=-
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Links with Eraserhead?  (Definate FWWM spoilers)
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:20:53 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA


 
>In Eraserhead, it was clear that Lynch's Ultimate Fantasy was not the
>kind of perversions he shows us today, but in seeing a true Goodness
>lead to Happiness.  So, why Wild At Heart and FWWM?  There is no 
>beauty in these films, while there was plenty of beauty in Twin Peaks.
> 
>So, flame me, call me a nut, but respond.  Am I even close?
> 
>------------------------------------------------------
>David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU



I would definitely have to disagree with what you said about Wild at Heart and
Fire Walk With Me lacking any beauty.  I think that Lynch's purpose behind both
these movies is to shock the audience with glimpses of the evil in the world,
Big Tuna in WAH, and the Black Lodge in FWWM, and then show how good can
prevail in spite of these evils.  In both of these movies, angels appear at the
end and reveal love and goodness to the main characters.  I think the message
here is that if someone loves you, you stand a chance to escape the evils and
find happiness.  This is similar to the plot of Blue Velvet.

P.S.: Does anyone know the title of the requiem at the end of FWWM?

Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Why wasn't Lara Flynn Boyle in FWWM?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:12:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.044819.25167@iitmax.iit.edu> hardcle@elof.iit.edu
(Cleveland Hardin) writes:
>Why didn't Lara Flynn Boyle play Donna in the movie? Did she have other
>commitments, or did she not want to do the nudity? I'm sorry if this is
>common knowledge but this has been bothering me since I saw the movie.
>


I would think that the combination of other offers and the nudity had a lot to
do with it.  I was rather shocked to see Moira Kelly nude in that scene
considering how young she is, I guess it was meant to be shocking but it
bothered me throughout the rest of the movie.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Two things...(SPOILER)
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:20:56 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <4988@calmasd.Prime.COM>, jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
writes:
>
>
>Spoiler...
>^
>
>       Blame it on my newsfeed but I haven't seen anyone mentioning:
>
>1. When Cooper is looking for Desmond he sees red letters on (whose?)
>   car windshield: "Let's rock."
>
>2. In the Canadian "pink room" Laura makes the same hand gesture she does
>   in the last TV episode in the waiting room (towards Cooper).
>
>
>       Jan Bielawski
>       Computervision, San Diego
>       jpb@calmasd.prime.com
>
An of course we all remember that "Lets Rock" was the LMFAP's first line of the
whole series!

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

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