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From: macallstr@V1.PH.OX.AC.UK (John Macallister)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Modified MAIL command anyone?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:39:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I have a particular problem with VAX/VMS mail sending out a mail To: field
 in the form  To: @mailinglist. I need this list to be expanded into its
 component mail addresses so that the addresses can be converted into the
 correct international/RFC822/etc format.
An option /LIST e.g.   To: @mailinglist/LIST  would be a neat way of doing
 this.
Does anyone know of a patched/modified VMS MAIL command which can do this
 and which is fully compatible with the normal MAIL command?

John


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From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Sending mail from a VAX
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.195231.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, coteb@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Hi everyone.  Sorry if this has been posted thousands of times or if this is
>the wrong area but here goes:
>I have a file that that I want to mail from my vax account.  I assume I have to
>encode it or whatever first.  Can anyone tell me how to do this and where I can
>find the necessary programs to do this?  Thank you a hundred times for any help
>you can give me.

There are a few possibilities:
1. If sending to another VAX over DECnet, use the slightly documented /foreign
qualifier. This will encode the message automatically.

2. If sending to some random system, use uuencode. It pretty poor, but is
available on most any platform in existance.

If sending to another VMS system but not using DECnet, use one of several
encoding programs available for VMS which CODE and MFTU. Make sure the remote
end has the same program!

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: chris@CSVAX1.UCC.IE ("J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: User maintainence. Search for software/ideas.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:27:17 GMT
Organization: The Internet


PROBLEM: I need to be able to easily change a users group.

REQUIREMENTS: Software to automate movement or ideas on the best path to follow.

BACKGROUND:
        I am running a departmental VAX3400 that has a very high user turnover.
At the start of each year, there are several hundred accounts created. Most of
these are third year student accounts, but some are second year accounts. The
thrid year accounts are disposed of at the end of each year. The problem is the
second year accounts. I need to 'upgrade' them from the second year group
to the third year group. It is not just a simple matter of using AUTHORIZE to
change the group ID. Each group is stored in a directory with the group name.
So I need to do the following.
        1. Change Diskquota entry.
        2. Change VAXmail entry.
        3. Move files to new directory.
        4. Change ownership on files.
        5. Change AUTHORIZE entry.

If there is anyone who has written software to solve this problem, so who knows
where I could find something to help start, then I would greatly appreciate
it if you could let me have a copy, or let me know where I could get one.

If there is anyone who is also looking for this software then let me know,
because if I can't find it somewhere I'll have to write it, and I can send a
copy when it is completed.

Anyway, send all requests/comments/flames etc. to me, and I'll post a summary.

                                                  Chris.

+ J.C. Higgins, Sys Admin  +  If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't
+ CHRIS@csvax1.ucc.ie      +  come back to you, hunt it down and KILL it. If
+ SCCS6002@iruccvax.ucc.ie +  that doesn't work, then GIVE UP peacefully.
From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Boot-time quotas
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: VAXF.01GMZG9FUSS200008J
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Bob Marshall, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com, wrote:

>Where does the system initialization process get its quota values from? I
>had always assumed that it was from the UAF record for username SYSTEM,
>but it appears that they actually come from the settings of the PQL
>SYSGEN parameters. 

It comes from the PQL_Dxxx SYSGEN parameters.

>My evidence is that I run an image from SYSTARTUP_V5.COM
>which requires a page file quota of about 26,000, and I was getting an
>"Exceeded quota" error from the image activator. Since username SYSTEM
>has a page file quota of 150,000 I was a little bit surprised. 

You can RUN/DETACH it, or submit it to a batch queue, and it will use the
quotas and limits established in the SYSUAF for user SYSTEM instead of using 
the PQL_Dxxx values.

-Dan Wing, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU or WING_D@UCOLMCC.BITNET (DGW11)
 Systems Programmer, University Hospital, Denver
From: ACCNEWS@HOFSTRA.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: MAIL QUESTION?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

From: accabh@hofstra.bitnet
Subject: MAIL QUESTION?

Hi,

  I just would like to know if VMS 5.5 has a way to reject mail from
a list of people ? If not does anybody have a program that will reject
mail messges from a list or a single person  ?  If you do please send it
to Accabh@vaxc.hofstra.edu or tell me where I can FTP it.

                               THANKS

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From: CMATT@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU (Matt Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: RZ23 & VS4000/60 question
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


  HEY! I can relate to that, I did the same thing. We upgraded out 3100-76
to a 4000-60 and kept 2 old RZ23's, a RZ56 and a RZ57 and bought a new RZ58.
We have seen the same problems you saw, drives logging errors, fatal drive
errors, etc. Even on the new RZ58. I talked to DEC about this and the
'extremely knowledgeable' DEC hardware guy said there were no revision problems
for these drives on the 4000-60. From the errors I have been logging, it
looks like I have lost the SCSI controller on the 4000. So maybe fixing that
will solve my problem - but I doubt it. Especially since you have seen the
same problem. My guess is that indeed there is some kind of revision problem
with the RZ23's and maybe even other older RZ problems. My 'more extremely
knowledgeable' DEC field service guy will be out today and I will see what
he has to say on the subject.

Matt Gilbert
Oberlin College
(the above may or may not make sense, I haven't had any Coke yet)
From: egger@ubeclu.unibe.ch (Martin Egger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Q: VAX/VMS optimized BLAS routines?
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:51:24 GMT
Reply-To: EGGER@ID.unibe.ch
Organization: University of Bern, Switzerland

In article <DA.92Jul22132819@xor.cis.Brown.EDU>, 
da@xor.cis.Brown.EDU (David Ascher) writes:
>I'm looking for fast BLAS routines to use on a VAX 6000 w/ vector
>processor.  I thought that they'd be in the math library, but i can't
>seem to find anything about BLAS routines in the master index.
>
>Pointers anyone?  Should I just use sciport and compile as optimized
>as I can?  Seems like there should be a vax-specific version
>somewhere..

Look for DEC Extended Math Library (DXML). They are in there ...

>thanks for any info
>
>--david ascher

Martin

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: magnuson@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: How do I use GCC 1.4 global[value|ref|def]?
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:18:01 GMT

Can someone please send me an example of how to use the GCC 1.4 version of
global[value|def|ref] ?  I am using the MESSAGE utility for setting up my
program's messages, and have symbols like SPLIT_SUCCESS, SPLIT_NOARGS, etc.,
and I need to know how to connect up to these symbols in my C program.

Thanks.
-- 
Randy R. Magnuson
magnuson@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com  (612-378-4557)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: sysgaertner@cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (M. Gaertner, FRM, TH Darmstadt, Germany)
Subject: Q: Hardware, why does the microvax wont boot
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: sysgaertner@cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de
Organization: Fachbereichsrechner Maschinenbau, TH Darmstadt, Germany

Hello netters,
a hardware question here, but I don't know any better place.
I own an old microvax II with 6 MB RAM. Now I found a cheap 8MB board
and quickly removed the grant continuity card and the 1 MB board from
the first slot after the cpu (BA23-cabinet) and put the 8 MB (Caminton
is the producer) in.
Well, the vax comes gracefully to the '>>>'-prompt, but won't find the
secondary boot, aka. test 2 and test 1 fails.
Whenever the cpu tries the test 2 all leds at the DELQUA, go out and
wont go on again until the power is cycled.
Since the memory test (6) went good and the board did run in another
myvax, I have no idea what problem I have now.
Any help or suggestion?
Thanx,


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

                      M. Gaertner
                TH Darmstadt, W. Germany
	     Rechnergruppe FB 16-Maschinenbau
      SYSGAERTNER@CYGNUS.FRM.MASCHINENBAU.TH-DARMSTADT.DE
      Phone: Germany, (0)6151/16 5145
From: RFORSTER@VENUS.GOV.BC.CA ("Russell M. Forster")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: (none)
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:55:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
From: mckeever@cstp.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Comparison VAXstation VLC<->3100/76
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:34:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cstp.1992Jul28.113433.1
Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science

In article <1992Jul14.155021.12498@fhg1.fhg.de>, weikl@ilt.fhg.de (Dr.B.Weikl) writes:
> Btw: Has someone already had hands on a VAXstation 4000/90?
> My sales person told me a tremendous price for it. I wonder
> if anybody will buy this machine with ALPHA coming up soon...

I don't have a 4000/90 but I *really* would buy them even with Alpha coming
out soon.  In fact, I just sent a recommendation to the people who write
the checks that we purchase 3 90s in December of this year.  As for the
why, the answer is simple:  The maturity of VMS on VAXes.  With very few
exceptions, I don't install version 1.0 of *anything*, hardware or
software.  I'm sure DEC engineering is doing a thorough job on VMS for
Alpha, but I don't want to rely on it for our production environment for a
while.  The 90s should carry us 'til December '93 with no problem.  Then
we'll look into replacing the VAXes with Alphas.

If we were running standalone VMS machines now, I would probably wait for
Alphas, but we're running a homogenous local area VAXcluster.  The number
of things that can go wrong mixing the RISC/VMS and VAX/VMS even if it is
supported are enormous.  Now if we had the funds to replace all our
workstations at one time with Alphas... :-}

--Brian
From: karin@zach.fit.edu (Karin Nicholson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Wanted: help w/ EDIT
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:34:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Hi networld,

First of all, thanks to:
	V. Phaniraj		phaniraj@plains.NoDak.edu
	Kevin J. Cordell	usr7495a@tso.uc.edu
	Bob Martin		acsmartin@eku.bitnet
for responding to my request for help.

For those of who are interested, here is a synopsis of the solution to
using the numeric keypad in full screen mode in the editor:

What works:
Use the terminal Set-Up key to change the settings from Application
to Numeric Keypad (on a VT220 this shows up on the General Set-Up
screen).
If using Kermit, type SET TERM KEYPAD NUMERIC at the MS-Kermit> prompt.

What doesn't work:
Using SET TERM/NUMERIC from the $ prompt has no affect on the keypad
once in EDT.
Using SET NOKEYPAD from at the * promt in EDT just causes the keypad
to be used for Command Mode only.

Again, thanks to all.

-- 

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From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Vax to Ultrix delay over decnet
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

In article <1992Jul22.170955.22876@macc.wisc.edu>, 
stevens@vms.macc.wisc.edu (PAul STevens - MACC - 2-9618) writes:

>>	When we dlogin from ultrix to vms, all works well. Going the
>>other way, vms to ultrix (via SET HOST), we experience really long
>>delays [....]
>
>I have found that this happens when an ethernet packet is lost.  The
>decnet timeout value is 6 seconds.  Can't be changed as far as I can
>tell.

See the NCP commands SET EXEC DELAY FACTOR and SET EXEC RETRANS
FACTOR.  The DELAY FACTOR is the minimum time (in sec/16) that
DECnet NSP will wait before retransmitting a packet.  By default, it's
set to 80, and so NSP will wait 5 seconds before retransmitting.

>Telnet's timeout is generally a few tens of milliseconds.

Not true.  If it were, then every high- or variable-delay network
would quickly be destroyed by TELNET.  TCP uses a sophisticated
adaptive retransmission mechanism, but RFC-1122 recommends
beginning with a retransmission timeout of 3 seconds.

>Decnet must have been manufactured in a clean-room with three nodes.
>It works rather poorly on busy, noisy networks.  I have fought these
>problems for years and all I can ever get from DEC is advice to make
>the ethernet work better.  IP protocols are much more robust.  I have
>seen cases where over 80 percent of packets sere being lost (no---that
>is not normal, even here!) and telnet users had no complaints.  VAX
>clusters simply crashed.

Your TELNET users must have the patience of Job, then.  Performance on
all network protocols that I am familiar with will go right down the 
toilet if you have as much as 2% packet loss, let alone 80%.

It is true that LAVc nodes will bugcheck if they can't find the cluster for 
RECNXINTERVAL seconds, which is set by default to 20 (I recommend 
changing this to 120 on a large multipurpose network.)

DECnet NSP is a relatively robust transport protocol, although not quite
as massively tweaked as TCP.  However, it performs much better in 
wide-area / lossy networks than, say, NFS, IPX, AppleTalk and many others.

A properly configured Ethernet will lose virtually no packets (<0.1%)
until it's grotesquely overloaded (>>90%).  Greater packet loss than
that is sign of electrical misconfiguration or hardware malfunction.
Find someone responsible for your network, and encourage him to
fix it.

Aaron

Aaron Leonard (AL104), <Leonard@Arizona.EDU>
University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721
|>   If it ain't broke, break it.
From: rankin@EQL.CALTECH.EDU (Pat Rankin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Convert VMS condition value to errno code.
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:15:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Is there a function in the VAXC-library that converts a VMS condition
> value the corresponding errno value?

     Yes, but you probably shouldn't use it.  If you look in tables
B-1 and B-2 in Appendix B of the _VAX_C_Run-Library_Reference_Manual_
you'll find C$$TRANSLATE().  It sets `errno' rather than returning the
converted value.  However, it is only available if you link with object
library VAXCRTL.OLB, not if you link with shareable image VAXCRTL.EXE.

     It's much simpler to use
        errno = EVMSERR;
        vaxc$errno = your_condition_value;
than to worry about matching up miscellaneous codes.  perror() will give
two lines though, the first being "non-translatable VMS error code" or
something close to that.

                Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: coteb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Sending mail from a VAX
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:52:31 GMT

Hi everyone.  Sorry if this has been posted thousands of times or if this is in
the wrong area but here goes:
I have a file that that I want to mail from my vax account.  I assume I have to
encode it or whatever first.  Can anyone tell me how to do this and where I can
find the necessary programs to do this?  Thank you a hundred times for any help
you can give me.

Brian
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Q: VAX/VMS optimized BLAS routines?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:51:55 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <DA.92Jul22132819@xor.cis.Brown.EDU>, da@xor.cis.Brown.EDU (David Ascher) writes:
> I'm looking for fast BLAS routines to use on a VAX 6000 w/ vector
> processor.  I thought that they'd be in the math library, but i can't
> seem to find anything about BLAS routines in the master index.
> 
> Pointers anyone?  Should I just use sciport and compile as optimized
> as I can?  Seems like there should be a vax-specific version
> somewhere..

Check out DXML from DEC.  It contains a whole bunch of BLAS routines optimized
for the vector as well as scalar processors.  The SPD contains a fairly good
description of what's in there.  Here's a small subset of the SPD:

     Digital Extended Math Library (DXML) is a set of mathematical
     subroutines drawn from public domain and proprietary libraries
     that are optimized for the VAX vector architecture. It includes
     the Basic Linear Algebra Subprograms (BLAS) Level 2 and BLAS
     Level 3 available from the Argonne National Labs. Also included
     are Digital proprietary subprograms for BLAS Level 1 Extensions
     and signal processing including one and two dimensional Fast
     Fourier Transforms (FFTs), Convolution, Correlation, and Digital
     Filters. These subprograms are highly optimized for the VAX
     Vector Architecture, but also support VAX scalar processing.
     Since DXML routines can be called from all languages that are
     supported by the VAX calling standards, the library permits
     access to VAX vector processing for applications written in
     other languages as well as FORTRAN or VAX MACRO.

-- 

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EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.databases,vmsnet.misc,comp.programming
From: JONESD@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)
Subject: Re: Programming question:  VMS region locking
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:43:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.213145.3684@spdcc.com>, rbraun@spdcc.com (Rich Braun) writes:
>Our company has a fairly sizeable application which contains what
>amounts to a home-brew data file access method.  It relies on
>low-level file locking primitives (provided via F_SETLK/F_GETLK
>parameters to fcntl under Unix) to handle access contention in
>multi-user environments.

>To reduce the amount of risk, I'm trying to identify some way to do
>the same thing as fcntl under VMS.  Does DEC's commitment to POSIX
>include standard file locking primitives?  Are there any solutions to
>this problem, whether provided by DEC or any other source?

The VMS POSIX documentation indicates that fcntl() supports F_GETLK and
F_SETLK.  Apparently, one of the changes made in VMS 5.5 was a change to
the lock manager to allow support of this functionality.  I don't know
the details of these changes.



David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929
Ohio State Unviversity       |      Internet:
1971 Neil Ave. Rm. 406       |               jonesd@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210           |               jones-d@eng.ohio-state.edu

Disclaimer: A repudiation of a claim.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: welchb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: RE-summary of VMS 5.5 upgrade
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:21:15 GMT

> 
> 1.)  TOD clock was set ahead? (I think it was ahead) by about 1 day.
>      Don't create any files or change anything until you check this
>      out.
Yes, it added 1 day.  And this can mess up any jobs you have SCHEDULEd,
and put wrong date on some files.

> 2.)  We have several processes running now we didn't have before,
>      such as IPCACP, QUEUE_MANAGER, and LATACP.  We had to verify
>      that we had enough process slots available for all our work
>      before we could let them go to it.
> 
> Otherwise, no other got-ya's.  Of all the upgrades done, this was
> probably the easiest... (Knock on wood...)  But 5.5-1 is out now,
> and I'd recommend using that instead of 5.5-0.
> 
> Oh, as a precaution, we were warned to delete our JBCSYSQUE.EXE file
> and be able to recreate our queue set up before upgrading.  It seems
> that, at least with 5.5-0, the queue manager conversion was *not* as
> clean as it should be.
I disagree with some of the above.  I was going to wait until later, to
add my 2 cents to this discussion in a more responsible fashion.  We are
at this very moment in the midst of a lot of  troubles going from 5.4 to
5.5-1; we are awaiting a fax to fix the que manager problem.> 
This is disconnected, but some other problems:
1) If you copy over the files from cdrom to your own disk, they don't tell
you that you also have to copy over decw055.* for windows; after losing
several hours we finally ended up tailoring them on later (but our
workstations still don't come up correctly).
2) I understand (?) that the que manager problem is really caused
by incorrect instructions during the  upgrade.
3) We had troubles with page and swap files.  Part of this IMHO is due
to a strange way DEC has of poorly spreading out the mount commands among
places like sylogicals, sypagswpfiles, systartup_v5, etc.
4) Tremendous troubles with sysgen parameters.
Of course many of you will disagree; but upgrading a computer is like
working on your car; it never works right.  Things break; you drop
screws and they roll under the center of the car.
-- 
Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG,  welchb@woods.ulowell.edu