HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: On Television This Week...
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:24:49 GMT

Listed in the current TV Guide:
 
Monday, August 24 10pm (central)
A&E EVENING AT THE IMPROV-Comedy;
Juggler Ed Jackman
 
 
Thursday, August 27 3:30pm (central)
HBO - BIG APPLE CIRCUS
Aerialists, jugglers and clowns perform in a tribute
to the golden age of the big top.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: licone rubber balls
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:13:48 GMT

P.S.  (still getting used to the mailreader)  Many people regard
silicone as a frivolous expense when compared to using lacrosse balls.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Silicone rubber balls
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.170639.1900@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
 
> Well. I finally managed to actually juggle three of these, and,
>whilst they may be quite pleasant and all, is there actually any
>reason why I should spend as much as they cost on them? I mean.. I
>could get, what, 9 Thud's, another set of (cheap-ish) clubs, three
>knives, etc, etc, etc, for the same price as /one/ ball.
> Now, they're nice - but that nice? (and why on earth do they cost
>such a huge amount?)
 
Hmmmm..."finally managed" ??? So you took awhile to manage a pattern?
Does this mean you might have dropped once or twice in the process?
Didn't the silicone balls bounce rather nicely? (if not, maybe you
should seek a refund)
 
Sorry...couldn't resist.  Try bouncing them...as in bounce juggling.
 
The price is prohibitive to many because of the limited number of
manufacturers, the time & effort to make them, because they are a
status symbol, and because of their durability.  Check out
_Jugglers' World_ -- last year there was an article about the history
of silicone balls and how in the "early days" they were as much as $500
*APIECE*
From: SMTPD@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Undeliverable Mail
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:17:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
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Date:         Tue, 01 Sep 92 10:21:00 CDT
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The 10 ball pattern that Peter and Mathiega have been talking about
probably falls into the category of patterns that are fun for jugglers
to try but it isn't an aesthetically pleasing pattern if you view it
from the top -- certainly not as beautiful as a simple 9-ball triangle.
Nevertheless, for those of you with JugglePro, here is what the file
for the pattern looks like:

6x6
(0,0)(0,0)(2,10)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)
(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(2,10)
(2,10)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)
(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(2,10)(0,0)(0,0)
(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(-4,10)(0,0)
(0,0)(-4,10)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)(0,0)
10
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling shops
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:05:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.kleber.715579526


Quoth Edward Carstens:

>P.S.  Do you think they'd want a zillion copies of JP?  :-)

Well, I finally made it down to juggling capitol today, and since you
had mentioned it, asked them that very question.  (I was talking to
Neil Stammer, mostly-- he obviously has a very good time with the place,
alternating between the free juggling lessons they give to anyone (mostly
kids) and showing off for the rest of us... gee, I love watching people
do seven...)  He said they would love to have copies!  In fact, his general
statement was that they're still working on their inventory-- if you have
any items you think they should sell, that you're selling or that you
want a supplier for, let them know!  They're definitely still building up 
stock, and seem to welcome ideas.

Incidentally, they don't have any silicone balls, because they don't
know of any place that wholesales them.  They do, however, have some
balls imported from (I think it was) switzerland that aren't in as many
glossy colors, but bounce just about as nicely, and are in the $15-$20 
apiece range, not $30+.  Worth checking out.  They also carry things
that fit the atmosphere-- like the 6-foot bubble blowers, or foxtails,
for example.

As has been posted before, phone number is (202) 789-1799.  If you're on
the Mall in D.C., use one of the maps to find the Natural History museum,
and walk up the street next to it (12th st.) away from the mall for about
3 blocks; the Old Post Office will be on your right.  Oh, and they know
about the net, and don't have a feed... yet...

--Michael Kleber                 I don't have an overactive imagination...
  kleber@husc.harvard.edu        I have an underactive reality...   --EG
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Pure Passing 
From: mathiega@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Grant A. Mathieson)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:36:17 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Keywords: 10 objects, 3 people 

Introducing another Peter Mckenzie/Dan Sinclair/Sugra Morley 
production..."Odd-Godfather II"

Pure Passing is defined in this context as a passing pattern 
which has every throw as a pass.

If 3 people, facing inward in an equilateral triangle, try to 
juggle 10 balls such that every throw is a pass, they tend to 
get into a shambles. However, if 5 balls are kept between the
3 right hands, and 5 between the 3 left hands, things get a 
bit easier. Each person passes to the other two, and *every*
throw is a pass. The pattern can be practised with R and L 
hands separately, since the balls from either hand never mix. 
The main difficulty lies in establishing a start, but we have 
managed to run the pattern for 30s. Evidently, one person 
with 4 balls starts and the other two with 3 follow, 
asynchronously. 

For further hints, email Peter:
mckenp2@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
(I may have to reply, newsgroup or email send access 
being restricted for him)
GAM
From: jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Site-swaps and juggling in general
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:39:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: m2xenix.1992Aug29.193949.7146
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

All this traffic about site-swaps brought something to mind....are we, as 
jugglers, searching for a new way to obfuscate our art again?  Are we trying
to mystify it, to take it into the realm of the priests and prophets once
again?  Before you scoff, think about it:

	Juggling terminology no longer exists.  All we do is talk about numbers 	that have no meaning to non-jugglers.

	We will be discussing things in a way that does not require actually
	showing someone a trick or pattern, all they need do is visualize it.

	Things like Mills' Mess, etc. will be reduced to numbers.  Even the
	cascade (or the basic cascade, if you prefer) will be reduced to 333.
	And what about the infamous 666 pattern?  Hmmmm.....

My point, you ask?  Simple.  Site-swaps are neat.  They provide some very odd
patterns that we wouldn't normally have thought of.  BUT, let us not forget
out "roots".  I, for one, being more language- than number-oriented, prefer
the use of words instead of numbers, and will continue to find names for SS
patterns that I discover.  After all, if all we're going to do is ss notatiion,
then it would be good for us to teach it to everyone, so that a juggler would
only have to talk about patterns to an audience, and they could visualize it.
Virtual juggling, if you will.

Don't forget that juggling is an art as well as a science.


Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com
From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Subject:      jp23.exe is ok now
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:03:08 CDT

Terry has informed me that he has replaced the old jp23.exe with the
one that doesn't require a co-processor (which I uploaded this morning).
Look for it under pub/juggling/programs/ibm-pc/jugglepro-23.  Ach whata
mouthful!

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro

P.S. Eric Promislow (if that is your real name):  Pray tell, what did
that T-shirt look like?
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: magic@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Tracy Baillie)
Subject: Hello hello hello hello hello!   :)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:08:41 -0600



  YAHOO!  Network Newsgroup access for Juggling!

  Well, I'm sure I'll be posting here frequently!  Happy trails my juggling
friends from windy Colorado.

       Travis Bear
       Fort Collins Colorado
       Magic@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4 6 1 2 6 1 2 4 1
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:46:08 GMT

Well, someone's gotta do it...

> Hmmm...  Interesting!  I wonder what the probability is that any 9-digit 
> phone number is a valid siteswap?

Actually, phone numbers with area codes are *ten* digits, each 0-9, which
makes the problem one helluvalot easier-- assuming digits are random
(ie, ignore the fact that 2nd digit is very probably 0 or 1, and 5th digit
probably isn't...), then the ball thrown from place n in the pattern is
equally likely to land in any of the 10 places.  How nice!  So for the first
digit you get free, the 2nd you have a 90% chance of not landing in an
already-taken hand, then 80%, etc... which makes those last 2 or 3 balls
awfully hard to get right.  You end up with about one chance in 2700 of
getting a legal pattern.  OK, who's the first person with the distinction?

> There's no reason why you should break between each digit...
> 31436 47536
> is a valid site swap, also (marginally easier?)
> 314 364 7536
> is a nice 3 ball pattern, though hard to perform indoors.

Hmm?  Isn't that a 2,738-ball pattern?  I don't think it's legal, though...

--Michael Kleber                "I don't have an overactive imagination...
  kleber@husc.harvard.edu        I have an underactive reality..."  --EG
From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: JugglePro 2.3!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: UMRVMA.920827.104339.CDT.S092217
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

**************************************************************
*           J u g g l e P r o      2 . 3                     *
**************************************************************

JugglePro 2.3 has many improvements including demo capabilities,
more efficiency in the interface (any option can be executed in only 3
keystrokes using ALT for the main menus and normal keys for the
options), Mill's Mess has been improved, hands are distinguished by
different colors, the hand files themselves have been changed to
ascii for ease in porting as well as giving the user a chance to see
what's really going on, the coordinate system (X-Y-Z) has been
changed to the more common right-handed system with Z being UP, some
of those pernicious little bugs have been caught and exterminated.
Hopefully, new bugs have not cropped up in the process. ;-)

JugglePro 2.3 can be downloaded now from moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu.
It is at pub/juggling/programs/ibm-pc/jugglepro-2.3.  It takes up
a fair amount of memory so make sure you have space for it.  This
program is worth the trouble, though.  If you have had a chance to
read the last JW, it is reviewed there.  In fact, I am selling it for
$18*. I have put the program on moocow in hopes that many of you will
take the time to try it out.  I want you to have the program even if
you can't afford the $18.  For those of you who are not able to ftp,
you can send me a check for $18, specify 3.5" or 5.25", and I will
send you JugglePro 2.3 within a week via certified mail.  The $18
includes shipping and postage.  Upgrading your old version costs only
$5.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick D. Singley)
Subject: Re: Juggling shops
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:14:31 GMT

Hey, I don't have a clearance- but I've at least got THAT info, thanks to
Gregory Humphreys <gregh@alw.nih.gov>, who Mailed me:

>Also try out the Juggling Captiol, it's a new juggling outlet store that
>just opened up in the Old Post Office Mall at 11th and Pennsylvania.

Erick
From: twest@.oracle.com (Tim West)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling shops
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:25:57 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug31.161657.18222@umr.edu> ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens) writes:
>I can't say that I have ever heard of a store that deals exclusively in  
>juggling equipment.  It does sound interesting though.  Could you give out the  
>address of Capitol Juggling or is that confidential info?
>
>-Ed Carstens
>Creator of JugglePro
>
>P.S.  Do you think they'd want a zillion copies of JP?  :-)


        I guess I'll field that one, I'm in a pretty good
position to...

        The name of the store is JUGGLING CAPITOL, *not*
CAPITOL JUGGLING as it has shown up in a couple of posts.

WHERE?  Downtown Washington DC
        the address is :

        Juggling Capitol
        The Pavilion at the
        Old Post Office
        1100 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
        Washington D.C. 20004
        voice & fax (202) 789-1799
        (Shouldn't this be in the VENDORS list?)

HOW?    If you're in D.C., it's right across the
        street from the FEDERAL TRIANGLE Metro station.
        It's just a couple of blocks from the Smithsonian, so
        sightseeing in D.C. and missing the shop would be a
        shame. If you take a cab or ask directions, all
        Washingtonians know it as the Old Post Office.

WHO?    David Gripp and Neil Stammer man the store.  Neil was
        once known as Andrew Allen, co-author of _Juggling, the
        Art and it's Artists_ (with Karl-Heinz Ziethen) and
        author of other books as well. Some of you may have seen
        him (a long time ago) on the Jugglebug Video.

WHAT?   The Old Post Office is now shops and restaurants, and a
        STAGE.  The shop carries fergie bags, stage balls,
        videos, lots of clubs, rings, unicycles, you name it,
        I saw Dube, Renegade, and aja. Prices seem to be about
        what you'd pay for mail order + shipping. They recently
        put on a show, featuring Francis Brunn and other headliners
        Neil has gotten to know in europe, free juggling on stage
        after the show.and attracting both amateur and professional
        jugglers from all over.


        I have *absolutely* no financial (or other) connection
 with these guys, other than that I've bought from them, and
 faxed them a few messages and text files from here and piggy/moocow-
 but if you want stores that carry what you like, you have to buy from
 stores that carry what you like. Despite election year, that
 may be the most powerful vote you've got.

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: barnhart@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Deron W. Barnhart)
Subject: Phone juggling?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:07:10 GMT

Regarding using phone numbers for site swaps:
	The phone system is set up in such a way that there are
1.024 * 10^10 possible phone numbers in North America.
Digit #1 can be 2-9
Digit #2 can be 0-1
Digit #3 can be 0-9
Digit #4 can be 2-9
Digit #5 can be 2-9
Digit #6 can be 0-9
Digit #7 can be 0-9
  |    |  |  |   |
Digit 10 can be 0-9

Now, which are valid site-swaps?  Well, I don't think I want to
tie up my Amiga long enough to find out.  Anybody else going to
test this out?

By the way, my Amiga will be present at the Purdue Fall-fest to 
demonstrate the programs "Jug" and "AJuggle" to those interested.
If any other Amiga users will be coming, bring a blank disk and
I will provide copies of these fine programs (which are also 
available by FTP from Moocow!).

Dan Johnson  (on Deron Barnhart's account -- Thanks Deron!)


Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Fergie Bags
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
	I have a few questions that I would like answered about Fergie Bags.
		1)  Are there two manufacturers of the bags or two Fergusons
			or something?
		2)  Does anyone have Ferguson's (Helamon, I think) address
			or phone number?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:58:44 GMT

	The reason I ask is that I had some beanbags that I thought were
Fergie bags.  They had six square panels of thin fabric.  They were round
and about 100g.  As they were wearing thin, I called Mr. Ferguson as his
number was in Juggler's World.  He sent me (for a price) five replacements.
The new bags looked absolutely nothing like the old ones.  They were huge with
thick fabric and were very "squishy" (what else can you call it?).
	Anyways I lost his number and would love to either return the new ones
or replace them with the ones I was looking for.
	Any suggestions?

	---	Jon Krivitzky
.



Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Current Address of Cascade Books, please
Originator: mohit@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:42:48 GMT


for once and all, the address of cascade books is

Cascade Books
PO BOX 9008
Seattle, WA 98109

I did get "beyond the cascade" just 10 days back and don't try finding
their tel# since they don't seem to have any.. good luck

mohit
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 4 6 1 2 6 1  2 4 1 
From: mathiega@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Grant A. Mathieson)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:57:02 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

Peter Mckenzie, of Christchurch, has got into developing long word 
length siteswaps, possibly because Computer Science is driving him 
to distraction. 4 6 1 2 6 1 2 4 1 is his latest arrangement. I 
tried it last night, as a side interest to 5 5 5 1 and 1 2 3 4 5. 
It is a bit like trying to remember a 9-digit phone number, until 
the pattern sinks in. Interesting, but not spectacular.
GAM
Send freako siteswaps Petemail:
mckenp2@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Phone juggling?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:58:30 GMT


Quoth Deron W. Barnhart:

> Regarding using phone numbers for site swaps:
> 	The phone system is set up in such a way that there are
> 1.024 * 10^10 possible phone numbers in North America.
> Digit #1 can be 2-9
> Digit #2 can be 0-1
> Digit #3 can be 0-9
> Digit #4 can be 2-9
> Digit #5 can be 2-9

That last one is actually outdated.  Telephone exchanges may now have
0 or 1 as their 2nd digit; that's no longer reserved for area codes.
(Downtown Rockville, MD, has been 217 for several years now, in fact.)
Area codes are still all 0 or 1 middle-digit, but not for long:
we're almost out of the 160 area codes that allows.

Interestingly enough, the math from my previous post still holds even if
you impose conditions on any one digit; you just choose that one first and
still have a 100% of not conflicting.  So the odds with the area-code
requirement still hold.  Incidentally, if your area code plus exchange
(last 4 digits undetermined) work (eg 617-493-????; Harvard dorms),
you can figure out which 24 completions work... but only if you're
*really* bored...

Oh, and 5-digit zip codes are easy, too; there are 3,840 possible
legal ones (well, I guess 00000 doesn't count), giving you about
a 4% chance...

--Michael Kleber                 I don't have an overactive imagination...
  kleber@husc.harvard.edu        I have an underactive reality...   --EG
From: jboyce@cco.caltech.edu (Jack K. Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Combining balancing with juggling?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:27:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cco.1992Aug28.172724.9923
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

<NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>I've been trying to learn to juggle while balancing
>a club on my chin and I haven't been having lot of success.
>(Although, I must admit that I haven't put very many hours
>into it, _yet_.) Does anyone out there have some helpful tips?

>I can juggle three clubs with my eyes closed and I
>can balance a club on my chin with almost no _apparent_
>effort. Why is this combination trick (with my eyes open)
>sooo %#?!ing difficult?


I learned 3 and 4 clubs with a chin balance, and discovered that
there is really only one secret:  put 90% of your effort into the
balance! (as opposed to the juggle)  Typically, people will drop
the club off their chin as soon as they begin juggling, since
they aren't allocating enough of their coordination toward
maintaining the balance.  Your goal should be to never let the
balance fail -- all your drops should be the juggled clubs.  I
just can't stress this point enough.  It also works for a head
bounce+juggle.

By the way, stare directly at the top of the thing you're bal-
ancing.  Not only is this necessary to react quickly, but it also
keeps your attention focused on the balance.

Keep working at it!  On the bright side, I think you will find
that the trick more or less "clicks", at which point you can go
indefinitely.

Jack
jboyce@tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: ocrow@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Oliver Crow)
Subject: Hello Jugglers of Berkeley
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:22:29 GMT

Are there any practicing jugglers in berkeley?  I've just arrived at Cal from
sunny (:-) Engalnd, and I'm looking for that good ole make-you-feel-just-like-
home juggling community.  Come on guys and gals.  Don't be shy.  I know you're
out there.

reply by news, email (ocrow@cory), telepathy, etc.
--
Oliver
From: efrie@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: list of juggling books
Summary: need to sugest books for the librarian
Keywords: books, library children's books
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:31:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep2.193110.27252
Organization: Washington State University!


	I was hoping to see a list of juggling books on moocow.
	I promised a list of children's juggling books to the
	librarian at the local public library.   

	I think list of books is something that ol' moocow
	could use.  If someone already has a list maybe look
	into getting it posted there, or if not, I'll make a
	request for help to compile my own.  Either way it
	would be nice to have it available.

	It would be nicer if the list would eventially
	contain a bit of a summary of what the book is
	about.  
-- 
      ______/   ___/       ___/        /     ______/
    ____/     /     _/   /     _/     /    ____/ <efrie@eecs.wsu.edu>
  _______/   ______     ______      _/   _______/
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Silicone rubber balls
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:06:39 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

 Well. I finally managed to actually juggle three of these, and,
whilst they may be quite pleasant and all, is there actually any
reason why I should spend as much as they cost on them? I mean.. I
could get, what, 9 Thud's, another set of (cheap-ish) clubs, three
knives, etc, etc, etc, for the same price as /one/ ball.

 Now, they're nice - but that nice? (and why on earth do they cost
such a huge amount?)

 -- Fenthe

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