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From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: homophobes sabotaging motss
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:06:44 GMT


Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
 
> ....  In light of the recent invasions,
> I've adopted policiy of hitting n on all cross-posted
> aricles, irrespective of topic, author, or newsgroups
> involved.  That means about 80% of the content of soc.motss
> for the past couple weeks.

During the height of the I-post-everything-here wars,
I kept statistics on motss articles, in several
categories.  [Oh, c'mon, I *am* a scientist, at least
sometimes.]  That seemed a period of particularly
bad pollution of our pure spring waters.

Of the 683 articles posted between 0634 [GMT] 15 June 
and 2326 [GMT] 20 June, 26% were cross-posted.

[By *my* reckoning, only 12.7% of the total motss volume
 was devoid of discernable motss relevance; the rest of
 the results are as yet unpublished.]

--jns
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: the b-word
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:48:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:
>I'd say Sim looks a lot like Jeff Dauber when he wears a goatee.
>Plus long hair, minus the tattoos and extra holes.  (Is that too
>many conditionals?)

I have three!

Okay, they're all in my ear.  I am not adventurous when it comes to that
sort of thing.

Now to ftp some pictures of Jeff...

>The photos should be back any day now.

Got mine back Tuesday.  They're fabulous!

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The sexiest man on TV
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:30:47 GMT

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

> while he's never warmed that love spot between my legs, i love
> Stewart's acting.  it's chock full of little nuances, facial
> expressions, and vocal inflections.  i love to watch this man
> work.
> 
> however, Picard is too perfect in my mind, the Commander Data of
> the human condition.  other than the technical aspect of
> Stewart's acting, i don't find Picard to be all that interesting.
> sorry...

but I think he DOES make a nice counterpart to Jonathan Frakes (#1 aka Riker)
the character of Picard (I agree, I really enjoy the nuances that he gives the
character). I think it is ineresting to see the point/counterpoint to the two
characters (tho I am realllllly getting weary of "Commander Riker-Space Stud"
plots...(tho with the beard and furry chest he is quite pleasing to the eye)

and I think Data nice completes the 'triangle', much like that of the original
series....
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: TAGS and Tarheels
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:10:49 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Originator: hughes@dogwood


   At one time there was a Triangle Area Gay Scientists organization.
   It comprised gay scientists from the North Carolina and surrounding
   areas.  Does anyone know if the organization still exists?
   If so, does it have an electronic mailing list, or member(s)
   with access to the net?  (Perhaps reading this very message???)
   (I am familiar with NOGLSTP, the national mailing list.)

   Also, does anyone know anything about the Tarheels, similar
   questions here.  They would be an environmental and outdoor
   recreational group, located in the North Carolina area.

   Wayne
   
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32336 talk.politics.misc:35627 alt.individualism:4500 alt.activism:13365
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:02:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <archer.133@utkux1.utk.edu> archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>True enough, but mandating change through government interference in private 
>behavior will NOT change societal structure.  Segregated schools are 
>illegal.  Look around.  Most schools demonstrate a clear racial bent, based, 
>mostly, on the fact that like people tend to congregate in the same regions.

In the area I live (northern Santa Clara county) the demographics of
various neighborhoods was due to the practice of real estate brokers
who sold homes to buyers only in specific neighborhoods based on their
ethnicity.  I don't know who gave brokers the mandate to decide which
neighborhoods would be Oriental, Black, White, or whatever.  This
practice is not as wide-spread as it once was, but the damage has
already been done.  In my particular community declining enrollment
has forced school closures and thus individual schools accept students
from a broader area.  My son attends a high school which includes
pupils from rich neighborhoods in Los Altos to more transient ones in
Mtn. View.

Chuck

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Date: 27 Jul 1992 13:49:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul27.170015.25083@phlpa.pha.pa.us> 
scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold) writes:

> Arne I am sorry. I made a mistake. No one is perfefect.

Should I accept your apology even though I didn't see your 
flame and therefore wasn't offended by it?  

Oh hell, don't worry about it.  (But what did you say?)

--Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: HIV- cases of full blown AIDS?
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:18:53 GMT

>Scary stuff. At this rate I might never have sex again. I might never
>come out of doors.

It *is* scary... especially for those who formed close
relationships, got tested every six months, and then began to
have unprotected sex after a couple or more negative results.

My current lover has a pretty good solution which I think we
will both keep up... always assume that your partner is HIV+
and you will probably not forget to practice safe sex.

I was visiting out of town this weekend, and I was apalled by
the number of people who wanted to have unsafe sex with me in
the clubs... One bear of a man complied with my slight push
and shaking of my face, but I had to repeatively push another
man away and even then he seemed to be making moves to catch
my semen in his hands to taste it... dumb, dumb, dumb!


-- 
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Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Vatican equates homosexuality with men
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:51:44 GMT
Organization: Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

In article 487@adobe.com, asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
:The modern term for what used to be called "child-rearing" is "abuse."

Look around. Something must have gone wrong somewhere...

							FJ!! (0.764578093 smilie)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:03:14 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <130954@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tdober@llnl.gov
writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.041601.18280@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
>Anderson) writes:

>[stuff deleted]

Including, apparently references to the bogey-word: straight.

>> If the term really applies *only* to hostiles, are any of
>> *those* people included in your highest personal esteem?  If
>> not, then I think your point is deflated.  And if so, then
>> why are you holding crud in high esteem?

>Jess, it sounds to me like you're saying the term "breeder" has only
>one meaning: the meaning you intend it to have. 

Not me -- I don't use it, remember?

>You say, "If the term
>really applies *only* to hostiles...". 

"If..."

>My question is, do the non-
>hostiles know that? Since they haven't been privy to this whole
>discussion, I suspect that the answer is "No". *You* may intend it to
>apply only to hostiles, but each person who hears you applies their
>own set of perceptual filters to every word you say. You can control
>what you say; you cannot control what they hear.

That's not strictly true, but let's get off it.

>> The intelligent ones fall into two camps: either they're
>> already in or on the periphery of the cohort, or they can be
>> shown where their prejudices lie, what they arise from, and
>> what to do about them, that is, consciousness-raising.  This
>> latter group might also get a little splattered by the term,
>> but it's our anger that provides the key to raising their
>> consciousness.

>If I remember correctly, Tim mentioned that Ailsa has a problem with
>"breeder" as an epithet. I would not place her particularly high on my
>list of "people who need enlightenment (whether they want it or not)".

She said she objected to it.  But she's not straight, and I
have limited my discourse to them.

-- 
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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: queer life in Fiji
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:23:31 GMT

Hi, folks.

I've got a friend who's entering the Peace Corps, destination Fiji, in
November.  He's looked at a couple gay guides, but they aren't very
detailed.  If anyone has paertinent info or can direct him to good
resources, please drop me an e-mail.  Thanks.

Joe
  
Xref: sparky soc.motss:33344 talk.politics.misc:36784 alt.individualism:4795 alt.activism:13801
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Moral Culpability
Date: 31 Jul 1992 18:19:15 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

In article <archer.240@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
|> In article <l7g6qsINN97o@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|>     The appropriate analogy is having a competitor's business
|> >|> burned down by thugs.  It is clearly criminal if _you_ do it, but if
|> >|> you are not involved, you will probably benefit and that is not
|> >|> criminal.  The whole point is that moral culpability requires some
|> >|> volitional action.
|> >|> 
|> >But if the business person, through inaction, allows thugs to get away
|> >with burning the businesses of his competitors, that is volitional
|> >action (or volitional inaction).  
|> 
|> Uh uh.  It is not the responsabilty of private individuals to enforce the 
|> law.

Since when.  It is the responsibility of citizens to create and manage a
police force to enforce the laws.  Those citizens through pay, hiring
practices, perq's, and compliments, direct their police force to enforce
the laws they want enforced in the way they want them enforced.

The problem with libertarians is that they think of government as *them*
and want to do away with government.  But government is just a label for
the collection of services we band together to provide.  Whatever replaces
*them* will still be government.
From: gav@aber.ac.uk (Grant Arthur Vidgen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <zlsiida.1011@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) 
writes:
>There was one in Eastenders - Colin? - who moved out of the square
>Also a cook/chef in Eastenders had HIV and no girlfriend but I don't recall 
>it being explcit if he was gay.

 Don't forget Colin's two partners - first Barry and then Guido.  And the
 cook/chef was definitely gay - the character's departure from Albert Square
 was due to his moving in with a recently divorced coming out barister or 
 civil servant.

 Grant.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Queer Scouts Threaten Banks
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:14:24 GMT

According to a report in yesterday's (7/29/92) San Francisco
Examiner, Queer Scouts, a national group of gay ex-Scouts,
have warned Bank of America and Wells Fargo Bank that they
will face yet another boycott if they reverse their positions
and resume corporate contributions to the Boy Scouts of
America.  Allen Carson, a Queer Scouts spokesperson, said,
"We are outraged that Bank of America and Wells Fargo Bank
are bowing to pressure from a few very vocal right-wing
fundamentalist Christians who have co-opted this issue.  To
back-pedal at this time and say they are considering re-
establishing funding to an organization which even the banks
themselves admit is guilty of blatant discrimination is the
height of hypocrisy."

The statement continued that the Boy Scouts' insistence on
upholding its "ignorant and bigoted stance forever" shows
that the organization is "irredeemable on this issue."

"The rights of gay and lesbian people are not up for
negotiation," Carson said.  "Bank of America and Wells Fargo
will be forced to make a definitive decision as to whether
their anti-discrimination policy applies to discrimination
against homosexuals.  If not, they should be forced to say
it publicly and face the consequences.  We will not accept
lip-service when it comes to our hard-won rights."
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:28:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.074541.7622@news.Hawaii.Edu>, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>>>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>>>>homosocial (if you will)? 
>
>Me too.  Though I dated a woman last Spring, I mostly go for men these
>days.  At my last HIV test a few months ago, the counsellor asked me
>how many men I had slept with in the preceeding 6 months.  Trying to
>be conscientious, I thought real hard and recounted a couple of times
>before settling on a number.  It turned out that I did not need to be
>so careful -- he simply checked off "more than 10."  The question
>about how many women I'd slept with was easy:  1.
>
>I also know others (hi, Ken, I know you're reading this).

>--John, formerly johnf@ssl.berkeley.edu

Tsk, tsk, tsk.....
Yes, I just read this.  Just got back to U.S. last night.

Now, what gave me away that I am primarily homosocial, huh?  8-)

Oh.... was there another Ken that you were refering?  If that's the case,
then *oops* excuse me.

Anyway, Hugs and Grins to y'all....
Ken  elee74l@jetson.uh.edu


From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:20:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Unitarian Universalists vote pro-LGB
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
   >huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable) writes:
 
>> I'm not proselytizing, of course....  ;-)

>     I can't believe it!  They ARE actually recruiting!

>     After denying for years that they engage in THAT sort of behavior!

----------
The secret is that only _LGBO_ U-U's are allowed to recruit. 
It's right there in the rule book.

Mike Drayton
(at least that's what my name tag says)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:17:26 GMT

> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
>>wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
>>little enough gayspace in the world as it is...  i'll be
>>perfectly happy for all-gay groups to stop "discriminating"
>>against hets when suitable laws are passed on a national level
>>banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, preference,
>>whathaveyou.  until then, drive on...
>
>Can I get an 'Amen'!?!

Not from me.  Gayspace has its value, but I'm much more
happy and comfortable in Peoplespace, where everyone is
welcome and diversity is celebrated -- places like Sunday
afternoons at El Rio in San Francisco -- all genders, all
ages, all colors, all persuasions, all ablednesses (ouch!),
and...

...*MERENGUE*
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: the darkness in my heart
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:27:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.213158.6017@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>No, no, no!  This is soc.motss: "Krystal Carrington",
>not "Gnu-age Crystals".

Steve, you bitch, I can't stab him in the back, he hasn't turned around
yet!

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Spanish spelling
Date: 22 Jul 1992 10:15:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <15502@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
| : ...  But then, Angelenos are
| :notorious for making fun of tourists who mispronounce LA-area
| :placenames of Spanish origin;
|
| Now say 'Nieuwezijdse Voorburgwal.' 

Nieuwezijdse Voorburgwal.  Ooops, I mean 'Nieuwezijdse Voorburgwal.'

|                                     Are we having fun yet?

You betcha!

|						FJ!! (Angelenos who make fun of
|						that do not sound like nice
|						people.)

Who wants nice?


Arne
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.180921.27746@intelhf.hf.intel.com> hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison) writes:

>Considering that in at least two episodes they refer (obliquely or not) to his
>dalliance with Mrs. Slocum, I'd say that at least we can guarantee that he's
>twisted and kinky, if nothing else.

Personally, I've always thought that having a fetish for only one
gender is about as kinky as kink can be.  :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lmh44500@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire)
Subject: Re: The sexiest man on TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:38:11 GMT

foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>In article <1992Jul19.181152.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>I don't know about that rumour Nelson.  A month or two back on
>>rec.arts.startrek.info, someone posted a review of a star trek
>>con in Houston that Stewart attended.  She related the question
>>and answer session with him in which someone asked about the
>>possibility of a Picard relationship with Crusher.  Stewart was 
>>quoted as responding with "What do you mean? Beverly or Will?"  
>>
>Without wishing to add to this speculation, Patrick Stewart provided
>the narration to the new documentary 'Changing Our Minds' (about
>Evelyn Hooker and her studies on gay men in the 40's and 50's). According
>to the director, Richard Schmiechen ('The Times of Harvey Milk'), he
>didn't hesitate.

I dunno how old this thread is (I haven't read this group in quite a while)
and I hope I got my attributions right.  I just wanted to make a little
comment about this thing about the documentary.  I'm straight (I'm only
throwing this in for the sake of perspective, I would have no trouble
with being mistaken for a homo- or bi-sexual).  I would also do
something of this nature if I was an actress.  No question.  Some people
are more open minded than others.  My closest friend outside of my SO
happens to be gay, and although he tries constantly to embaress me in 
public by playing the sterotype up to the hilt, he hasn't suceeded yet!
Homosexual behavior just doesn't bother me.  I try as much as I can to 
encourage others to think the same way, and between the two of us, we
slowly got my SO to the point where he isn't uncomfortable around two guys
holding hands, snuggling, etc.  He IS uncomfortable around kissing, but
then that includes EVERYONE's kissing.

I guess my point is that some hetero "breeders" DO care.  I myself could
never comprehend living with another woman, but I certainly understand that
my friend would never comprehend living with one either ;)  I've met all his
boyfriends, guy watched with him, I think it's great!  Maybe Stewart is just
one of these caring people who feel that gay people should be stood up for
and that their lifestyle is just as valid as his.  (Assuming he's straight.
Otherwise, of COURSE he would feel that way ;)

Sorry this is a bit longer than I had planned, and I'm sorry if I offended
anyone by saying I'm straight.  The only purpose in doing that is for
the point of view.....and I'm also sorry if this post ended up not having a 
point. :) (no flames please, I get enough of 'em at work :)

			-Wildfire-

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