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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Negativeland on Live at the Knitting...
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 00:50:45 GMT

In <1992Apr15.115839.2949@vax.muskingum.edu> kimple@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>It's been awhile since i've senn much 'round here about Negativeland, but
>has anyone heard their bit on "Live at the Knitting Factory, Vol.3?"

Obligatory anal complaint:  Negativland.  No 'e'.  It's in the FAQ.

If I remember correctly, it's "You Must Choose", which is essentially a
longer, less interesting version of "The Playboy Channel" from _Escape_
_From_Noise_.  Of course I'm sympathetic to it being less interesting, 'cuz
I'm sure it's rather non-trivial for them to reproduce their music in a
live setting.

We got KF3 at the radio station here, but it got stolen rather quickly
(which pissed me off, because *I* wanted to steal it =-).


>Interesting. Some of the jocks at my station assumed it wAS JAZZ...

Now THAT'S humour! =-)
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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Alien Sex Fiend
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:51:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Alien Sex Fiend will be at the Limelight in NYC on Tuesday, May 19th...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE VS. NEUB
X-To: CHRISTOPHER M TEIXEIRA
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:46:00 GMT

CMT> From: nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira)
CMT>   Remember DM's songs 'People Are People' and the Metal Mix (oooo) of
CMT> 'Something To Do' recorded in  '84/'85 ?  Some members of EN apparently
CMT> banged some small pieces of metal together for the PaP track which then
CMT> inspired DM to use metallic percussion (although it sounds VERY synthetic)
CMT> on the 'Metal Mix' version of SomToDo.  I can't imagine this collab. was
CMT> desired mutually.  At this time both bands were on the same label (Mute)
CMT> and I guess Gareth Jones convinced FM Einheit to give one of the DM's
CMT> metal clanging lessons.  Hard to believe, eh?

And then, of course, there are the On-U-Sound mixes of "People Are
People" and "Master and Servant"... these were done by Adrian Sherwood
around the time that he was also working on TWITCH with Grandpa Al, and
the similarities are pretty frightening.

My two cents to this whole debate... I like Depeche Mode.  I have for
years.  I even own VIOLATOR, and I have most of their albums on compact
disc.  That might make me uncool with a few people around these parts,
but I really don't care what a bunch of wanks who cream their jeans every
time they hear Al or Ogre mentioned think about me.  Anyway, my point
is... if it wasn't for DM, a *lot* of people around here wouldn't be into
industrial, whether they'll admit it or not.  Almost everyone that I know
around my age (23) who is into industrial started into "alternative" music
around 7 or 8 years ago by getting to the Cure, Mode, etc..  The progression
from Mode to harder-edged electronic stuff was a pretty logical progression.

Not that I think that discussion of Mode belongs in RMI... it doesn't.
But the excuses being brought forward to get them out of here (i.e.
"Depeche Mode doesn't belong here because screaming 14 year old girls
like them") are a load of elitist bullshit.  Depeche Mode don't belong
here because they're not industrial.  Face it, kids... if we started to
exclude bands from this confrence based on popularity, then Ministry,
Puppy, and Nine Inch Ninnies would be out of here pretty damn fast.

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From: carlson@viking.sps.mot.com (Brett Carlson)
Subject: Re: Arizona Industrial (and some Crash Worship news)
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:29:06 GMT
Originator: usenet@nddsun1

In article <PTZ4iB1w164w@jab.tucson.az.us> fish@jab.tucson.az.us (Fresh  
Fish) writes:
>  
>  When I say User of Wicked Gravity were want-to-be industrial, I ment  
just 
> that. When I see a new band, I look for "Something Origonal" or a  
message... 
> but the band had nothing origonal to say or do... They did the typical  
put 
> up porno films, and old 60 horror films... Go on stage and have sex with 
> blow up dolls... This is nothing new, they were just out TRYING to be 
> industrial... 

This is just the kind of pointless slagging that makes "the most hated  
band in Tucson" such a prestigious title....

I have only seen the Users of the Wicked Gravity twice, but I also have  
their cassette "breaking through the fifth wall".  They have totally blown  
me away at both of their live shows, a feat that few live bands  
(especially Arizona bands) have accomplished.  Their songs are powerful,  
full of intelligent samples, and frightening as hell IMHO...

Anyone who says that UWG has no message or nothing original to say  
obviously has not listened to "men of the cloth" "Wage Slave" or "Snuff  
Film", and certainly has not read the lyric sheet accompanying their  
cassette.  

>                               Sam(the singer) is just the same as 
> the image of the band... 

The last time I saw the Users (about a month ago at the Silver Dollar  
club), they had a different vocalist and had picked up two additional  
guitar players since the first time i saw them, which was at the Sun club  
in November.  The current lineup is definitely far superior to the old  
3-man group.

>                  (that sentance didn't make sence... but oh well... 
> either does this whole discussion)

Agreed.  Go see the Users on the Controlled Bleeding tour, buy one of  
their cassettes, and make up your own opinion.  

Incidently, the Swans/machines of Loving Grace tour is set to hit tempe's  
Sun Club on Wednesday night.  Should be an interesting show.

--Brett
From: dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Name that tune -- my turn
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 01:35:32 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky) writes:

> 
>   Lyrics that I remember are  "shake up baby, break up baby"
> typical male vocal, industrial thump behind it all.  It sounds
> like Nitzer Ebb or Front 242 or Code Industry, or .........
> Any responses will help me get that fragment out of my head.
> thanks.

  i know that it has been a week now and surely someone else has
 answered this already, BUT JUST IN CASE..
 
  i do know exactly which song you are referring to and it is
 entitled "Hallucination Generation" and it is the only release
 from a band called "Gruesome Twosome" signed on Nettwerk, which
 by the way, has moved next door to Mushroom Studios if anyone
 hasn't noticed..
 
DSXMCHNA(G42)
dalek242@t(wilight)z(one).wimsey.bc.ca(nada)
From: williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Industrial Music!!! The Final Solution!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:48:23 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr8.193714.473@yvax.byu.edu>, croftj@yvax.byu.edu writes:
> If someone who didn't know anything about industrial music asked you "what is
> industrial music" how would you respond? What is the definition of industrial
> music?
> 
   I would respond with a quick kick to the slats and a hearty yell of "WHY DO
YOU NEED TO DEFINE THINGS ALL THE TIME?!?!?!?  ARE YOU SOME SORT OF ANAL
RETENTIVE WEBSTER (of Webster's Dictionary fame) GROUPIE?!?!?!"  Then I would 
probable bleed from the ears and fall over into a strange coma-like state that
I could not be drawn out of by the best medical minds in the uncivilized world
or by women with heaving breasts. The last words I would ever mutter would be
"Nevermore, Throbbing Gristle, nevermore." which would be whispered into the
emptiness of a Peruvian hospital room with no windows or electricity.
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From: jmaletic@src.honeywell.com (Jonathan Maletic)
Subject: Re: Chem Lab
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:18:04 GMT


In article <1CSHBGWX@cc.swarthmore.edu> etamuzs1@cc.swarthmoe.edu writes:

etamuzs1> In article <14APR199216065941@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu>
etamuzs1> cvadrmuo@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu (Silk) writes:
>Well I was walking down Melrose and I saw a flat for Chem Lab.. from the
>.....
>I'd get some opinions on this group.. like how do they sound like? Are they
>any good?

etamuzs1> No, they suck bigtime, but for some reason, a lot of people on rmi seem to like
etamuzs1> their stuff. They're sorta KMFDMish, NINish, LAMEish, (not Amish(sorry.)).
etamuzs1> Basically they are totally unoriginal and uninteresting. If you have ZERO
etamuzs1> industrialish stuff in your collection, you might like them, but save your
etamuzs1> money for something better. The offer still stands, if anyone out there is
etamuzs1> seriously curious about Chem Lab, I have the 10 ton Pressure disc which I will
etamuzs1> gladly sell. Anybody interested?

etamuzs1> Edis

Well, I listened to Edis and put on 10 Ton Pressure again to make sure he
wasn't just talking out his ass.  Well, he was.  Chem Lab is kick ass.  

My advice is to buy it. Listen to it, and if you hate it, sell it to a used
record store for a small loss.  Edis has had his for sale for awhile so
just buy his.

I thought it was a good addition to my collect of Skinny Puppy, Cab. Volt.,
Throbbing Grissle, Ministry, F242, KMFDM, Rev Co,....

And to Edis, Ice T said the words that come to my mind:

   You can suck my mother fucking dick....

My 2 cents.

The Displace Detroiter.

In article <1CSHBGWX@cc.swarthmore.edu> etamuzs1@cc.swarthmoe.edu
writes:

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: Basic Instinct
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:45:00 GMT

In article <!wztx0-@rpi.edu>, adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics) writes...
>I just saw Basic Instinct, and there's a scene from a club playing some
>techno/industrial dance music, anyone know what it is?  I waited for
>the credits at the end of the movie, but they just listed the songs, and
>not where hey happened to be in the movie, my guess would be the group 
>called generation X?  is that a group?  myabe I should look at the soundtrack, huh?  well, if anyone knows/or cares, then please enlighten me.  
> 
>--pete--
> 
> 
> 
>*******************************************************************************
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>*********************************** * * **PanteraScatterbrainMinistrySatriani *
>*E-mail address:  adamkp@rpi.edu * * * * *MightyMightyBosstonesSkinnyPuppyRHCP*
>*Phone:(518) 276-4630            ** * * **Jane'sAddictionProngNirvana808State *
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>*******************************************************************************

The soundtrack is all orchestra music, so it is preety much a bust. The first
song in  the club scene is 'Rave the Rythmn' by Channel X - fairly hard to come
by. The second song is 'Blue' by Latour - you can pick that one up by buying
his albumn or it is also out on the 'Cold' CD5. Generation X is a whole other
thing - not techno.

George.

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Name that tune ad infinitum
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:21:00 GMT

jlitchfi@descartes.waterloo.edu (Jon Litchfield) writes:

>KMFDM's "Virus", and the only lyrics I caught were 'One for the money, two for
>the show, three get ready c'mon let's go'. That was a chorus, I think, as I 
>heard it a few times.

Toy Dolls "Blue Suede Shoes"
-- 
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From: demsey@neural.tucson.az.us (herr loki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rap
Subject: A Fix:  (was Re: Beastie Boys Discography (somewhat))
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:23:35 GMT
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Apr10.000859.18555@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>  writes:
>      "She's On It"  Unknown to me when released, have never seen it.  Some
> sources say it was THIS which caught fire in the Black clubs.
> 

  Release in 1985; the Bside is "Slow and Low". Rick Rubin produced this
one along with "Licensed to Ill"

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: karnabba@w253zrz.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Karner)
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:56:25 GMT

In article <4APR199204250849@zeus.tamu.edu>, pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (PHIL CARNEY) writes:
|> 
|> Why did Depeche Mode ruin this perfectly good classic?
|> I mean, if they don't like guitars and Martin Gore wants to sing like
|> an android why doesn't he go and do it on some trite little ballad of
|> his own?
|> 
|> Hearing this release was one of the most depressing episodes in all my life, 
|> all the more so because these fools hark from London. When you think of all
|> the good British groups around and then look at how popular these talentless
|> fools are you can see the decline of Western Civilization begins here....
|> 
|> You know, Depeche Mode probably haven't released a good single since
|> Vince Clarke sodded off to form Yazzoo/Yazz.
|> 
|> 
|> Phil Carney.
|> 
|> On Exchange From Lancaster University, England.
|> 
|> "The views expressed are mine, and not necessarily those of the University,
|>  its staff nor students."


Are you NUTS???? (Of course you are...it was just a rhetoric question)
Depeche released several good singles since Vince left the band. The fact
is, that the new (are songs, which were released in the early 80s new???)
songs are not only some kind of danceble POP-music! They look behind the 
lines and remark, what is wrong!!! (of course, not everybody in every
country is happy about that...)
The song Route 66 is one of the best songs they released...even if it was
NOT a single A-side (but I think it was the b-side of "Behind The Wheel")!!
Why do ya mean, the boys don't like guitars??? Of course they like them!!
Or did you never listen to the songs from the album "Violator"? Maybe you 
should do this first, before you write foolish things about Depeche the 
next time!!!

By the way: Vince Clarke founded Yazzoo and Erasure, but he NEVER had 
ANYTHING to do with YAZZ (I think this is (was) an american or a 
"Stock, Aitken, Waterman" group!!).

Alex
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: Re: great! new industrial dance!
Summary: ok, it's not really very dancey...  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: this is the trip! the best part!
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.213139.2609@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, iew21308@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian E. Wickram) writes...
>jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.) writes:
> 
>>so a really cool disk to dance to:
>> Current 93  present Harry Oldfield 'CRYSTAL'
> 
> 
>Ye Gods, you must be joking! I think this must be a rather cruel joke as well
>given the fact someone might actually purcase this C93 release (~22$) and
>expect dance stuff.  Also someone might come to believe that the Oldfield
>stuff is representative of C93.
   OK, so it's not dance industrial at all.  At the time I felt good
swaying around to the 'music.'  If you're expecting some very FLA-esque
industrial disco then DO NOT BUY THIS DISK.  Also, as a side note, this
disk is in no way representative of Current 93's other material, so if
you want to know what C93 is like, this is not the one to buy.  What 
this disk is is a recording of several types of crystals as played be
Harry Oldfield's Electro Crystal Therapy device.  Some interesting noise,
but not at all danceable, unless you're strange.
Regards, and sorry about any confusion.  
########################## Making time in a low rent highrise, no place
jay bromley, space cadet | to go downtown, crushing crucifixion, particles
jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu | harmful descent, take a shot and hide
From: ryans@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Are you from Philly or Washington DC?
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:46:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: yang.1992Apr15.214609.17001
 <1992Apr9.160230.27446@coe.montana.edu> <1992Apr9.174840.5855@nmt.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


In article <1992Apr9.174840.5855@nmt.edu>, dcuddihy@nmt.edu (David Cuddihy) writes:
> 
> Us crazy wacky zany kids here at "God Says No!" Records are trying to
> zero in on the most rad dope hype fly places to play around the country.
> Currently, we're kinda stumped on this little corner of the world...So,
> you'd be doing us a great service just to take a few seconds out of your
> busy work-day to reply and tell us what the time is in that neck of the
> woods... AND IF YOU"RE FROM SOMPLACE ELSE: by all means, let us in on
> what's swell in YOUR part of the planet. We can always use some leads
> around the continent/planet...
> 
>      We thank you very much...You're doing your people a great service!
>        We're all very proud of you! Infact, if we could, GSN! would
>        put a little gold star on each of your foreheads, but we just
> 	  don't have Santa's magic sled. For this I apologize...
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> gsn@cyborg1.nmt.edu



Well, I'm currently in exile in Indiana, but D.C. is home...what exactly 
do you want to know? Drop me a line here and I'll try to help....
take it easy, RYANS@yang.earlham.edu
From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Skoda)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Controled Breeding
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:37:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-cs.1314
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
> bd_k100@kingston.ac.uk (Yertle of T.) writes:
> : I bought Controled Bleedings 'Trudge' the other day. Fuckin' Crap it was.

> -- they've just finished recording a new CD
> of similar stuff lately.  Not sure if it will be on Wax Trax or not.
> They're also right now recording some new noise stuff for a Japanese
> release on Alchemy Records this summer.  They're also behind the
> massively cool Skin Chamber CD.
> 

	The new Controlled Bleeding will be released through Third Mind/
Roadrunner. The same people (basically) that released Skin Chamber, so it
should have decent distribution. So, no Wax Trax! on this one. 

	And I agree, Skin Chamber is massively cool...

mike
mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: All-New Foetus Review
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:04:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <IdsRN3_00UhWA4Dl5x@andrew.cmu.edu> mw2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Winston Woodring) writes:
>The sound quality is also greater than the quality of Rife.  No drop
>outs, no extreme fluctuations.  Rife was originally a bootleg, right?

        Doubt it.  My copy of _Rife_ contains no noticeable dropouts or volume
fluctuations.  Furthermore, it sounds to me like a fair amount of time was
spent on mixing and post-production.  If _Rife_ was indeed a bootleg, it
certainly wasn't one of the "take a tape recorder to the concert" variety.

>"And I think it's gonna be a long, long time."

        That lyric shows up in Elton John's "Rocket Man."  (That's the only
such song that comes to mind.)

davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
From: jkd2886@usl.edu (Davis Jason K)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SKINNY PUPPY STUDY RESULTS
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:26:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr17.172605.14996
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana


	First of all, most of the people who use USENET are college
students, so you can fuck off on that point.  Many are unemployed because
they are taking high class loads.
	Second, I happen to be a big SP fan, as do many of my friends.
I happen to hold down a nice office job (not your average flipping burgers
type, but an actual engineering office situation) and keep 18 hours of
classes with a 3.0+ average.  My friends have an average of 2 or 3 jobs
to put themselves through college (which we have all done) and some
are double majors.  All have high GPA, so you can fuck off on that point too.
	Third, we all consider ourselves insane, which leads us to believe
that we are perfectly sane (if you don't get it, read Catch 22 by Joseph
Heller - yes, we are all literate and speak good, clear speech, so again,
fuck off on that point), so you can fuck off on the maladjusted point too.

	Point - if you don't like Skinny Puppy, fuck off.  Don't try to
ruin it for the rest of us, and the rest of those who haven't had the
distinguished listening privilege of hearing it yet.  They will.

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