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From: ovep@kih.no (Ove Tro)
Subject: Ancient Egyptian history
Keywords: dynasties, egypt
Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:52:33 GMT

Is there any literature available on the net concerning
Egyptian history, in particular on the 14.dynasty?

I am making this request on behalf of a friend of mine,
and I'm quite blank on what to search for or where to begin.
If you know of any ftp-sites or something to get me started,
I would be most grateful to get a reply.

Thank you.

-- Ove

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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: another important John
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:40:45 GMT

kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Chris Kniaz -Fischer) writes:


>Jan (Polish for John) III Sobieski relieved besiedged Vienna and
>defeated Turkish forces commanded by Kara Mustafa in 1683. The expansion
>of the barbaric, Ottoman empire into Central Europe was stopped.
	^^^^^^^^

Any more barbaric than the European cultures at the time ?

>-- 

>Krzysztof Kniaz, Penn |  
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>Phila, PA, 19104, USA |                 Voltaire
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Subject: Re: Cortez, Pizarro and Montesquieu
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:53:20 GMT

LDAA@UDESVM.BITNET writes:

>In the "Discours sur les motifs qui doivent nous encourager aux sciences",
>Montesquieu says that an important factor in the invaders victory was
>that the indigenous population thought they were surnatural because of
>their appearance and their technology.

>Is this

>a) false
>b) some grain of truth in it
>c) true

	b.  It depended on the Americans that the Spanish met.  The
	Aztecs and Mayans had a legend about a -red-bearded man who
	had created much of the Aztec empire and allied the Aztec
	and Mayan peoples.  THis man is represented in stone carvings
	from around 1100 AD in CHi-chenitza (spelling is probably
	wrong) accompanied by a man in 1st century Roman soldier's
	head-dress, and another in Greek soldier's head-dress.

	Also, the horse that the conqustadores rode were a new
	"technology" and some say the Aztecs didn't realize man
	and horse were separate.

	But, the Aztecs were a minority in their empire, and were
	hated by many of their subject peoples who had to give
	up children to Aztec human sacrifices.  These subject
	peoples were eager to rebel at the first sign of Aztec
	weakness.

	The Mayans were less an empire than a nation, so there
	was no rebellion.  Also, they didn't have much gold,
	so the Spanish didn't push as hard.  When the Mayans
	fought back, the Spanish sometimes gave up.

	The rest of the Americas were different as well.
	Perhaps you would care to post what you find in your
	college library?

	- Michael Goldman

-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Studying Suggestions
Followup-To: soc.history
In-reply-to: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU's message of 27 Jan 1993 22:42:32 GMT
Organization: pubs
	<JBrandt-270193142852@fp1-dialin-3.uoregon.edu>
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:49:09 CST


"Pegasus" makes some good points about studying history on a holistic
level.  I think the first poster was more concerned about just jamming
*facts* into his head.  Without disagreeing with Pegasus, I think raw
facts are indeed important and difficult to remember, and are not always
digested within the holistic approach.  I used to make a two-column
sheet on which the left column was questions such as "Date of so-and-so"
or "Prime ministers under Victoria".  I'd cover the right column and
keep going over the sheet until I could say all the answers.  This is a
labor-intensive approach that you use for the facts you *must* know.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:28:35 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <FXARS.93Jan26093538@rama2.acf-lab.alaska.edu> fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>What gets me about that post was that it wasn't a crosspost from
>somewhere else like most of the nuts that post on this group.  Why did
>he pick this group?  === Al

Don't feel like he singled soc.history out.  He posted the same drivel to
sci.geo.geology.  I'm waiting for it to pop up on soc.religion.christian
as well -- that will take a little longer because the group is moderated.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244		        ------------+
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (no one of consequence)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:43:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.cc.utexas.edu

In article <FXARS.93Jan26093538@rama2.acf-lab.alaska.edu> fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
]What gets me about that post was that it wasn't a crosspost from
]somewhere else like most of the nuts that post on this group.  Why did
]he pick this group?  === Al

He HAS appeared on a lot of other groups so far. It appears that he's posted
each one individually for I cannot find any newsgroups line in the header.
He's a nut, but he's a DEDICATED nut. :)


BTW, why do you seemed surprised at this guy? He was all over the newsgroups
last semester.. :(


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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: fskanes@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Archive??
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:58:24 GMT

Hello is there an archive for this group? I am trying to locate (if
possible) an article I posted here on the Anthropology News Network.
By accident I deleted the file and therefore I'm trying in a moment of
panic to retrieve it from one of the many net groups that I posted it to.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

________________________________________________________________________________
Fred Skanes
Dept. of Anthropology
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, Nfld
A1C 5S7 
fskanes@kean.ucs.mun.ca




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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Soviet Losses at Stalingrad
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:46:51 GMT

Today, Reuters carried a small news-item on Soviet losses in the
Battle of Stalingrad. According to RUSSIAN historians (this appeared
in the TRUD newspaper, a trade union publication), 1.1 million
Soviet soldiers perished (that's killed, not counting the wounded or
POWs) in this epic and decisive battle. Also, 13500 Soviet soldiers
were executed for cowardice. Any comments on these figures? They sound
reasonable to me. If anyone can provide any more details (names of
these historians, publications) please do so. Also, what are the
estimated German (and allied - Italian, Rumanian, Hungarian)
casualties in this battle?

                                                            Vladimir
From: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Soviet Losses at Stalingrad
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:20:32 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <vzhivov.727717611@cunews>, 
vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
> Today, Reuters carried a small news-item on Soviet losses in the
> Battle of Stalingrad. According to RUSSIAN historians (this appeared
> in the TRUD newspaper, a trade union publication), 1.1 million
> Soviet soldiers perished (that's killed, not counting the wounded or
> POWs) in this epic and decisive battle. Also, 13500 Soviet soldiers
> were executed for cowardice. Any comments on these figures? They sound
> reasonable to me. If anyone can provide any more details (names of
> these historians, publications) please do so. Also, what are the
> estimated German (and allied - Italian, Rumanian, Hungarian)
> casualties in this battle?
> 
>                                                             Vladimir


 According to Wm. Craig, _Enemy at the Gates: The Battle for Stalingrad_
 (1973):
	Germans 	400,000
	Italians 	130,000
	Hungarians 	120,000
	Rumanians	200,000

 He says that Soviet Official Sources told him, off the record, that
 Red Army _total_ losses (killed, wounded, and missing - of course a
 large proportion of the prisoners would have died in Nazi POW camps but
 then again I don't suppose the Germans _took_ many prisoners in this
 battle) come to 750,000. The number of civilian deaths is large but
 unknown - 40,000 killed in the first bombardment, and the total is
 probably far larger. Perhaps the new figures include civilian losses?
 Of course, Craig's 1973-vintage Soviet sources may have underestimated,
 deliberately or otherwise.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Have you ever noticed that Mutlu and Argic.....
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:29:47 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <93020.183938U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

+>never seem to mass-post at the same time. I lurked for a while, and this person
+>Mutlu, the mass-posting scourge of this group, has dissappeared, to be replaced
+>by an almost identical scourge named "Argic". Coincidence ? Perhaps. 

	There is no Coincidence because they are the same person or
group of people.  The change to "Argic" was done at the same time
that the articles started arriveing on the net via a "double blind"
system.  The articles are produced at a site sera.uucp which may
or may not really exist (no way to prove either way).  sera.uucp
has a news-only connection to anatolia.uucp, a real site run by
an identifiable person.  anatolia posts the argic material to the
net via a paid link to uunet.



+>But you
+>know, one person would have a hard time putting out their combined output,
+>unless he stored some articles on disk for later posting (and that strategy
+>wouldn't work forever - only until he ran out of stored articles). Well, are
+>they the same person ? 

	If you have the stamina to read his posts, you will find out that
he does run out of material and reposts the same material over and over.
He just mixes it up and retitles it.


+>Or is the person who speculated that Mutlu was just
+>someone's AI program being misused right ? (You know, his response pattern is a
+>lot like the old "Ask Eliza" program - stock responses crafted to fit the
+>structure of the comment entered, breaking down into incoherence and/or
+>irrelevancies if you bring up a subject he/it doesn't generally discuss).

	It also searches out mentions of his name in any newsgroup and
immediatly adds that group to the distribution list for his articles.





Newsgroups: soc.history
From:  (relgov)
Subject: Re: Have you ever noticed that Mutlu and Argic.....
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:16:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history

In article <93020.183938U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>
wrote:
> 
> never seem to mass-post at the same time. I lurked for a while, and this person
> Mutlu, the mass-posting scourge of this group, has dissappeared, to be replaced
> by an almost identical scourge named "Argic". Coincidence ? Perhaps. But you
> know, one person would have a hard time putting out their combined output,
> unless he stored some articles on disk for later posting (and that strategy
> wouldn't work forever - only until he ran out of stored articles). Well, are
> they the same person ? Or is the person who speculated that Mutlu was just
> someone's AI program being misused right ? (You know, his response pattern is a
> lot like the old "Ask Eliza" program - stock responses crafted to fit the
> structure of the comment entered, breaking down into incoherence and/or
> irrelevancies if you bring up a subject he/it doesn't generally discuss).
> 
> Interesting possibility, no ? It would be a pretty good prank, though.
> 
>                                                     u53644-ian

If you actually read his drivel, you'll find that the articles repeat
themselves.  There are a couple of articles that stick in my mind that will
reappear every few weeks or so.  Only the introduction changes.
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Soviet Losses at Stalingrad
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:59:47 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <vzhivov.727717611@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:

>Any comments on these figures? They sound
>reasonable to me. If anyone can provide any more details (names of
>these historians, publications) please do so. Also, what are the
>estimated German (and allied - Italian, Rumanian, Hungarian)
>casualties in this battle?

A brief reference to the battle (ie: in an Encyclopedia) usually has
figures like 750,000 russian 'loses' and 850,000 lost by Germany and their
allies.

Considering the ferocity of the battle and the pure guesswork that is
often used in historical casualty counts I would not be suprised if the
real numbers were above a million each.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

         "You have to rob to get rich in the Reagan Era."
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: india?
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:56:18 EST

Hi!

I am writing a history paper about the ECONOMIC HISTORY OF INDIA in
the 19th Century, especially how the British Raj may have lead to
imbalanced undedevelopment.

Does anyone have any suggestions for books, articles or other
sources? 

Thanks...

Faraz Rabbani
Toronto, Canada

Usenet: faraz.rabbani@canrem.com
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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, UVa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:32:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.175857.3305@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>          
>
>                      THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
>      
>   
 
[snip!]

>               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
>          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
>          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, 
>          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427). 
>    

Gee, God has a P.O. Box.  He's probably got a phone too.  And a pool, a
waterbed, a whole MESS of fancy cars...  It's sure does pay to be God.
I am REALLY impressed...  You don't suppose they want us to send MONEY
do you?  Heavens...

[snip, snip!]

	-Phil
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From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Studying Suggestions
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:42:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-3.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan27.185301.21072@pony.Ingres.COM>, pdaunno@Ingres.COM
(Paul Daunno) wrote:
> 
some general ideas 
1 Everthing is conected with every thing else.

2 Write your papers on a general topic area that draws on an area of
intrest to your self. ie "The French revolution would not have happened if
the Fronde had not failed". I did that one when I took a simerlar class, in
this paper I looked at the predominates of women as leaders of this revolt
in the aristoricy. (there were more women then men leading this one). It
may be one reason why it is not heavly studied, because it showed women in
a light that the current socity could handle.

3 You have facts and you have fictions passed off as facts, check
everything as much as possible something intresting may pop up.

4 Everything builds on everything else. The changes in the ruling styles
between the medieval Henery VII and his son the modern Henery the VIII and
this development going on in Spain and France.

5 Ideas are great modivators. and are linked to events, remember the idea
you may remember the events that was spawned by it. ie the development of
the nazi movement in Germany was a direct result of the neo-romantic
movement.

6 By rembering the ideas you will be aware when they show up in the current
headlins.

7 what is going on in Eastern Europe today is a result of the failure of
wwi and the leage on nations to solve the crisus of nationality there.  and
in so cases it goes back to the 15 century when the Turks were at the gates
of Vienna. and the displacement of a number of populations encluding the
Serbs who were pushed a head of the them.

I hope this helps, introductory survey classes are very survivable. Get
what you can out of it. rember please save you papers you might use them as
the bases for another paper for a different class.

Pegasus BA History, Linfield College, Class of '92.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: emery@goldfinger.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Re: 105mm howitzer against WWII tanks (was Re: 50 Years Ago: Thursday, 21 January, 1943)
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
	<11819@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:08:28 GMT

A well-placed HE shell will definitely bother a light or WWII medium
tank, and can even destroy a heavy tank, if it hits in the right
place.  The problem has always been hitting the tank with field
artillery, not the effects on target when you do hit.  

				dave
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: balt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steven Leo Balt)
Subject: Test--IGNORE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:47:43 GMT
From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Greek Philosophy is a Joke (was Re: Macedonia ...)
Followup-To: soc.history
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:30:09 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan27.042333.6619@afterlife.ncsc.mil>,
agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) wrote:
> 
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
> Subject: Re: On Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by  Danish foreign minister)
> Summary: 
> Expires: 
> References: <1993Jan25.020206.19971@afterlife.ncsc.mil> <1993Jan25.213806.14723@informix.com> <1993Jan26.032150.29889@wuecl.wustl.edu>
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: 
> Organization: The Great Beyond
> Keywords: 
> 
> In article <1993Jan26.032150.29889@wuecl.wustl.edu> jdd1@cec2.wustl.edu (James Dimos Dimarogonas) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan25.213806.14723@informix.com> rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia) writes:
> >>In article <1993Jan25.020206.19971@afterlife.ncsc.mil> agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
> >>>In article <C1D8Hs.GHJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
> >>>>
 Lets not forget that the Greeks were influnced by the Phonecians (the sea
people) It seems that you don't find Pegasus, Medusa or the others attached
to these stories with out fist finding these people.  These stories came
from the eastern Med. or futher east on the Iranian Plateu. I suggest that
we look there, not africa for the roots of greek thinking.

Pegasus
From: balt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steven Leo Balt)
Subject: Firing Squads
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:34:09 GMT


	I'm trying to track down the origin of an interesting
phenomenon regarding firing squads, and I hope somebody can
help me.

	Apparently, it is customary for one man on a firing squad
to shoot with a blank.  This member of the squad, of course, does not
know that he does actually have the unloaded gun-- the guns are loaded
before the execution by a third party (who loads a blank into one gun),
and the men on the squad pick up the guns at random.  This is 
presumably a method of assuaging the guilt of the men on the firing
squad (i.e., there's always the possibility that a given individual on
the firing squad did _not_ kill the victim).

	I've found evidence of this practice as early as the American
Civil War (documented in the book _Civil War Justice_ by Robert Alotta),
and several Civil War-era treatises on courts-martial describe the method
of execution by firing squad in this fashion (i.e., that one gun should be
unloaded).  I'd like to find the actual origin.  Which army was the first
to introduce this practice into firing squad executions?  Why was it done?
Any documentation?  Any resources that I should check?

	Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.



Steve Balt
balt@leland.stanford.edu
Program in Human Biology
Stanford University
Stanford, CA  94305
(415) 497-4999

 
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
In-reply-to: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov's message of 26 Jan 93 13:01:11 -0600
Organization: pubs
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:45:55 CST

Mcelwre writes:
   
>       One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
>  Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
>  "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, 
>  (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427). 
...
>       Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored 
>  by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in 
>  most public and university libraries and some book stores, or 
>  obtained thru inter-library loan.  The book "ECKANKAR--THE 
>  KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER 
>  classic. 

Look, I hate to insult anyone's religion, but what I've seen of
Eckankar, and especially Paul Twitchell, looks...let's say...third-rate.
Somewhere down there with Scientology (and I *don't* apologize for
insulting El Ron!).

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Newsgroups: soc.history