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From: lange@reg.triumf.ca (QUANTUM PARTICLE: THE DREAMS OF WHICH STUFF IS MADE)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:05:00 GMT

>In article <92Aug13.091527edt.47897@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
>[...] Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. He is
>best known for sneaking up on Keith Acton, a player half his size, and
>breaking Acton's nose with a slash from behind. He bitched and
>complained with the Leafs that he was "only" being paied $170,000 and
>wanted a big raise.
>
>Where else, except in sports, could such a truly vile human being be
>given so many chances and be paid so much for doing the same thing
>that would put any normal person in jail for several years. The
>problem is not that the NHL did too little for him but that they did
>too much. If the NHL should be crticized, it should only be for
>employing such people in the first place.
>
>Marc Green
>Trent University
> 
Excuse me Marc, but you are way off the mark!  As someone who know John, (Well,
I knew his sister, but did meet him on several occassions), you're trirade
smacks of bitter jealousy.  John was not a bad guy, but he did have a LOT of
problems.  I agree with the article.  It's time that the NHL, and all sports
leagues for that matter, got tough on substance abuse.

It seems that nothing happens until someone dies.  I can only hope that John's
death will have some meaning by preventing this sort of tragedy from happening
again.  It is all well and fine to praise (or to condemn) Gil Stein for his
stand on fighting and on the Olympics, but the true test of the man's character
as NHL president will be what he does in wake of this incident.

A solid stance on substance abuse and a program to aid in recovery would be a
nice testament to a troubled man whose life ended in tragedy.

						Amen.
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From: leathley@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Scott Leathley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL to showcase game in 15 non-league cities
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:56:07 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <9208210226.AA12975@skul.USask.CA> 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>I'm surprised that Hamilton and Saskatoon are getting as many games as they are.
>Houston and Seattle, on the other hand, aren't getting any.
>

But Seattle (actually Tacoma) gets a exhibition game Sept. 23, Kings vs. Pens.
Gee, I'm excited.       NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Steroids and drug testing
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:51:03 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>
>One way to remove the preoccupation with bulk and muscle among hockey
>players is to emphasize the skating aspect of hockey.  Altering hockey
>rinks to international-sized width would help, but that means lower
>ticket revenues for the philanthropic owners.  Another way is to ban
>fighting completely.  Anyone who wishes to watch men punch each other
>can watch boxing.  Screw them; hockey doesn't need that kind of fans.

I'm all for going to the bigger rink to improve the skating aspect
of the game, to a slightly bigger one than what we have now if not
the Olympic-size.  There are plenty of physical, tough-checking big
kids who can skate but can't put up with cheap play or gooning that
goes on in today's game.  It won't affect tough players who can skate
like Messier or Lindros (from what we've seen).  Policemen players who
can skate, like Bob Probert and John Ferguson, will still have a place
on such a rink (my sister used to babysit for the Fergusons, and their
kids loved watching dad's highlight tapes ... sis tells me that Fergie
went full speed with the rest of the Flying Frenchmen of his day on 
crucial plays when he was on the ice).

>However, as long as NHL coaches, GMs, fans, and media continue to
>seek big, tough robowingers (to borrow Gerald O.'s term), I doubt
>steroid abuse among teenagers will completely go away.

I believe that this affects all other sports, not just hockey, and
even amateur fitness freaks if the stories of veterinary steroids
being sold in commercial gyms is any indication.  I don't know how
long this "Terminator" craze will go on, but what we may be seeing
the return of mid-70's nihilism (anybody remember disco?) affecting
the greater of society and not just hockey.

gld
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From: jmbanocz@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (James M. Banoczi)
Subject: Re: NHL to showcase game in 15 non-league cities
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:17:02 GMT

In article <9208210226.AA12975@skul.USask.CA> 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
           stuff deleted
>Cincinnati may be an NHL expansion site soon.  The Cyclones, who played in the
>ECHL last season (IHL upcoming season), led all minor league franchises in
>attendance in 1991-92, averaging over 9,000 per game.  The absence of the NBA
>from Cincinnati was probably a factor.
>
>Glenn


Since I am originally from Ohio, I think it would be great that the NHL may have
a team there.  But isn't one of the main reasons that the Cyclones lead the
ECHL in attendace due to their seating capacity is much greater compared to the
other ECHL teams??

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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: LA Kings trade rumors
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:10:18 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <22967@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) writes:
>Well it must be getting close to time for training camp, because trade
>rumors are finally starting to circulate here in LALA land.
>
>Rumor of the week:  Puppa from Buffalo for ???

That one hasn't hit Buffalo yet, but it's a given that Puppa is not
going to be a starting goaltender, nor even the backup.  He's
expendable right now.  
Buffalo will also probably trade at least one other goaltender.  
They went from goal-poor to a slew of goaltenders:  Hasek, Draper,
Malarchuk, Littman, Pye and Bradley.  Draper or Malarchuk will get the
backup spot, unless Littman shines.  Littman will probably be top dog
in Rochester, and I haven't seen Pye or Bradley since last year's
camp.





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From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: Bowman Says No! (USA Today Was Wrong!)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:59:20 GMT


>From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)

>According to the Washington (County) Standard Observer and KDKA Radio,
>Scotty Bowman will not return as coach of the Penguins.  During negotiations
>last week in Toronto, talks became heated and broke off over the $50,000
>difference. (Bowman asked for $350,000, the Pens offered $300,000).  Bowman

The Globe and Mail today revealed that Baldwin used his personal
relationship with Bruce McNall to prevent the Kings from offering
Bowman a job. As an aside, the paper also said that Harold Baldwin
bought the Penguins with only $2000 of his own money! The down payment
of $16M, half the purchase price, was met by allowing DiBartolo to
keep all of the season ticket money for last year. In short, the Pens
are virtually broke. With the clamoring by Lemieux, Jagr, and Barasso
(soon to be followed by Stevens) there is no way that the Pens can
meet all the demands. It's been obvious all along that Baldwin is just
a carpetbagger. He'll strip the team and sell out when the recession
is over.

>It is rumored that Craig Patrick might assume the coaching position, because

The same article mentioned that the Pens are considering Eddie Johnson,
of all people, as a possible coach. His major advantage is the he
knows the team. Besides, Hartford would end up paying part of his
salary.

Marc Green
Trent University
Allderdice HS
Colfax Elementary
Davis Elementary
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Hawks-Jets Trade
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.144017.21061@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>I think this was a setup on Mike Smith's part to subvert the
>rules of the expansion draft, and it looks like he is going to
>get away with it.  This "3-way" deal was a ruse for the Jets
>to protect Beauregard in addition to Essensa and Tabaracci...if
>anyone cases to notice...I wonder if Mel Bridgeman and Phil Esposito
>do...

And the deal to send Doug Evans to Boston for Daniel Berthiaume wasn't?
Gee, the Jets really wanted Berthiaume...that's why they have offered him
a termination contract.

Asst. GM Dennis MacDonald has stated that this deal was not associated with
the deal before the expansion draft, but rather was set up when it became
clear that Ruuttu was not going to sign with Winnipeg.


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From: bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz)
Subject: Senators/Lightning Rosters Wanted
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:50:38 GMT

Can someone please post the rosters of Tampa and Ottawa??

Thanks in advance


Brett
From: mfc@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Mark Castagna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rangers sign Sakic
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:15:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Sorry folks ;-))))

I saw a little ditty  in the news paper. It seems that the Rangers
have signed Brian Sakic, younger brother of Nordique's Joe Sakic.
My understanding is that Brian Sakic was a free agent from the
Western League (correct me if I'm wrong).
Also, he holds some scoring records in the Western League. Anyone have
first hand knowledge of his abilities, size, prowess (on the ice), etc.

I wonder if the Rangers are stocking talented forwards for a big time
trade for a big time defenseman (I hope, I hope).

Note: We were having feed problems, if this is old news, I apologize.


						Thanks,

						Mark Castagna
						hrmso!mfc
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Joey Mullen news?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:58:57 GMT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <AeYDbQK00iUyE1cUZW@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>Also, I heard a rumor that the San Jose Sharks are courting Phil Bourque.
>>
>>Any word on this?

>I have heard no rumor regarding the Sharks having interest in Bourque.  I
>personally don't want to see Bourque in a Shark uniform, particularly if he
>requires compensation.

Well, I certainly hope this trade doesn't go through, not that I'd mind
seeing Phil in a Sharks uniform!

I'm more concerned about seeing Phil's wife, "Big" Red, in the beach
attire frequently associated with California. Given the hostile reaction
from a few here on the net when she wore comparatively conservative
clothes in PittsburgH, discussion will drag on for weeks if she dared
to wear a bikini! :-) :-)

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Rangers sign Sakic
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.151500.20525@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, mfc@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Mark Castagna) writes:
|> Sorry folks ;-))))
|> 
|> I saw a little ditty  in the news paper. It seems that the Rangers
|> have signed Brian Sakic, younger brother of Nordique's Joe Sakic.
|> My understanding is that Brian Sakic was a free agent from the
|> Western League (correct me if I'm wrong).
|> Also, he holds some scoring records in the Western League. Anyone have
|> first hand knowledge of his abilities, size, prowess (on the ice), etc.
|> 

I don't have my 91-92 WHL Guide here (the 92-93 guide isn't available
for a couple of months yet), but Sakic was drafted in either the 90 or 91
draft.

Brian Sakic won the 1989 Memorial Cup as a member of the Swift Current
Broncos with his brother Joe.  The younger Sakic was traded to the Tri-City
Americans along with Kyle Reeves after the two were arrested for indecent
liberties with an underaged girl.  The judge ordered that they not be
allowed in Swift Current.

Sakic hold the WHL record for most points.  He broke Glen Goodall's record
of 562 career points.  Goodall was signed by the Rangers last year and
played for Binghamton and San Diego.  Sakic also holds records for points
in a period (8) and in a game (10), both achieved in a 19-3 shellacking of
Seattle two years ago.

Sakic is a good playmaker and scoring threat.  He sees the ice well and
is quick to scoop up loose pucks.  He is of average size and speed; his
real asset is his scoring ability.  He can be somewhat physical at times,
but also has a tendency to take stupid penalties.  He took several in
this year's playoffs, and the Americans were eliminated in the first round.

I'll dig up his stats (excluding 1991-92) and post them.  He's a good
prospect, but not as dominating as Joe.

Maybe some other WHLers could post their opinions... (Neal, Richard, Mitch?)

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Dave Manson for Dave Ellett??
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:52:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.113611.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>I was reading in _INSIDE HOCKEY_ that the Leafs have been 
>actively pursuing Dave Manson of the Oilers.  Edmontion is 
>allegedly interested in trading him and it is indicated in the 
>article(by Bob Mackenzie?) that any trade by the Leafs would 
>most likely include defenseman Dave Ellett.
>

Edmonton isn't particularly interested in trading him...they
just don't particularly like what they are going to have to
pay him...thus if the right offer came along...they would
consider trading him... 

It is more likely that one of Tikkanen or Damphousse will
be traded to free up salary for Manson...as next to Ranford,
Manson is about the next most irreplacable Oiler, since he
makes it possible for their smaller defensemen like MacIver
and Hawgood to be effective.

>Now, I haven't watched Manson play very much, but isn't Dave 
>Ellett he better player?  If a trade were to be made between 
>to two teams (for those players) do you tink it would be an 
>even trade?  Which team do you think would get the "larger" 
>package?
> 

Manson is a complete defenseman in that he comes with the
full physical dimension to the game.  Ellett is a better
offensive defenseman...he's not going to scare anyone though.

Edmonton would want more than Ellett because Manson is
significantly younger...the Oilers might bite for Ellett and
Pearson...for example...but I can't imagine the Leafs parting
with Pearson.

Gerald
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From: csieng@wimsey.bc.ca (Symbolic Sciences Engineering)
Subject: Looking for GIF/JPEG images of NHL team logos
Organization: Wimsey 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:29:10 GMT

Hi

Does anyone know where I can find GIF/JPEG images of NHL team logos?  If there
is an ftp site I can download them from that would be fine.

Richardd
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From: drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake)
Subject: Neely & Bs (was Re: TEAMS TO WATCH (Sabres - better watch quickly))
Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
	<4725@balrog.ctron.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:42:38 GMT

In article <4725@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:

>>I think they have to face the sad reality that Neely will probably
>>be several paces behind where he used to be.
>
>I tend to agree.
>> Neely was a great player, but
>>I doubt that he'll be able to continue his banger style now.
>
>Disagree here.  The banging might well increase, given the lack of other
>bangers on the team.  Think: if he is less of a scoring threat, and slower,
>he will probably feel inclined to hit more, or will be frustrated and do same.

[Sorry for jumping in on this late, but here goes...]

The word here is that Cam has been working hard at being in shape and that
he should be ready for camp (anyone hear otherwise?). I know that anything
can happen in a few games (cripes, even Chris Nilan had a scoring streak over
2 or 3 games last year ;-) but Cam did have a pretty impressive 9 game
show last season. He was off his stride, but don't you think that if he
is working out now and has a good, strong camp that he'll be ready to go?
IMO, he'll be ready. And if Cam is wearing skates, I can't see him avoiding
a check.

I also predicted Steph Quintal would emerge as a top notch blueliner after
each of the last 2 or 3 training camps. He still may emerge in the future,
but not in the Black-n-Gold :-(

BTW, don't forget that Bob Sweeney was signed a couple of weeks back. I'm
sleeping better these nights knowing this. To quote a local sportswriter,
he's GOTTA have some nasty pictures of SOMEONE in the organization ;-)

Frank
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:40:03 GMT

In article <Bszqo9.1xB.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>According to the Washington (County) Standard Observer and KDKA Radio,
>Scotty Bowman will not return as coach of the Penguins.  During negotiations
>last week in Toronto, talks became heated and broke off over the $50,000
>difference. (Bowman asked for $350,000, the Pens offered $300,000).  Bowman
>then left Toronto to go to Montreal to be with his father, who is very ill.
>No new negotiations have been scheduled.
>

Barry Melrose, who has yet to coach a game in the NHL, earns $300,000...
Bowman, who has coached six SC winners was only asking for $350,000...

Bowman was really asking for a token difference, and the Pens wouldn't
oblige...what a team...what a way to treat a person who stepped into
the breach like he did last year.

>Bowman is upset over the fact that coaches with far less experience and 
>success will be earning more than he is.  Also, he is not pleased with the
>way he is being treated by Pens' GM Craig Patrick.  (Considering Bowman took
>a job he really didn't have to, and went on to win the Cup, I say give him
>the damn $50,000!  He did Patrick a mighty big favor.)
>

Amen.

Gerald
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:54:20 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

In <Bt4uAL.J1q.1@cs.cmu.edu>, Lori Iannamico writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.160016.2517@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.ch
>>
>>Point the finger where the blame is due...and that is Howard Baldwin...

>Now it's my turn to say Amen.  I haven't trusted that guy from day one.  I
>think all his wonderful talk is just that...talk.  The only big plans he has
>for the Penguins is to gut the team of talent, unload it, and take the money
>and run.

In fact, when the events which led up to the creation of the San Jose Sharks
were transpiring, Baldwin was central to selling San Jose to the NHL.  As it
turns out, he was a part of the group which started the Sharks, but he quickly
bailed out of it, and left the Sharks to (ugh) the Gunds.  Baldwin has been a
journeyman and the closest thing to a "corporate raider" that the NHL currently
has.  I was glad to see him leave San Jose.  I hope he doesn't do that to you.
I don't even wish that on teams I dislike.  It's a shame when the fate of a
team is not decided on the ice.

Now if we could just do something about those Gunds...

>Lori

Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com   (I didn't ask for a long ID!)
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens news 8/21/92
Keywords: Dave Tippett, new trainer, banner raising
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:02:30 GMT

Info just heard on KDKA Radio...

GM Craig Patrick denied rumors that 31 year old center Dave Tippett has
been signed by the Pens.  But it is believed that the Pens are interested in
signing Tippett to fill the void Bryan Trottier's departure has created.

Clark "Corky" Osborn, head trainer of the Muskegon (now Cleveland) Lumberjacks
has been hired by the Penguins to replace Skip Thayer.  Thayer resigned last
month to take a position with the Tampa Bay Lightning.  He is a long time
friend of the Esposito brothers, and in fact joined the Pens when Tony was
GM.

The Pens will raise their second set of championship banners on Oct. 8th,
which is their second home game.  The banners were scheduled to be raised
at the home opener against the Flyers on Oct. 6th, but was changed when it
was found out the date conflicted with the start of Yom Kippur.*  The Pens
play the Islanders on the 8th.

*(I don't want to seem cynical, but I think the Pens' changing this date has
more to do with selling out the Islander game than it does with Yom Kippur.  
Funny how this change was announced AFTER Bryan Trottier left, and was 
rescheduled for the very first game he would be back in town.)

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu

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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Penguins "Fair"
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:45:11 GMT


My grandmother told me about some type of Pens fair at the Civic arena
this weekend.  Could someone Email me more information ,as my friend and
I want to take a road trip into Pittsburgh (and avoid my Squirell Hill
grandma at all costs!)
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
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