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From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:10:46 GMT
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Hmmm...I'm not dressage, I'm saddleseat, but I've ridden some horses
that sound like your lively little quarter horse.

Some of the very best horses you will ever ride display your
horse's characteristic.  The hardest thing I ever learned as
a rider on a horse like this was--LET GO!!  Somewhere along
the way, probably as a result of trying to collect the horse,
you two have gotten into a tug-o-war, and now both of you are
trapped in a positive feedback loop.  The more you pull, the
stronger he gets.  He's wound up, excited, and going faster and faster.
LET GO.  Let the reins go slack.  Relax.  Pretend you are a passenger.
Your soul is in God's hands and whatever the horse does you aren't going
to touch the reins.  What usually happens is the horse goes fast
for a bit, then his head comes down and he starts to relax and slows down.

Really sensitive, lively horses who have it in themselves to produce
on their own react this way to overcontrol.

Then there is the question of how not to get into this situation
in the first place.  That's harder.  You are right, how does one
know what the "right" contact is?

One thing helped me enormously when I was first learning to
collect a horse.  My instructor was yelling about "contact" and I
really hadn't a clue what she meant.  She pulled me into the center
of the ring.  She stood in front of the horse.  She took hold of
the reins, one in each hand, just behind the bit.  She then pretended
to "be" the horse's mouth.  She told me to hold my hands still,
and SHE took hold of MY hands with the reins, the way I should
take hold of a horse's mouth.  It was amazing.  She held on "lightly"
like I should, she held on too strong like I was doing.  For the
first time I had a concrete feel of what I should be shooting for.
Light contact was MUCH lighter than I would have conceived.
She really was an amazing instructor.  I learned more in 3 hours
with her than I've learned in years of "heels down" garbage with
other instructors.

If I were to take up dressage, the first thing I'd do is have a
good dressage rider play "horse's mouth" with me.


Linda Merims
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Full Bridles--A Question
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:26:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Nov11.200941.15789@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims) writes:
...
>Are there rules
>about bitting and bridles in dressage?
>
...
>I wonder why I've
>only seen full bridles at the highest dressage levels.
...

because those are the rules, check the ahsa rule book.  you are not allowed
to show in a double bridle until the fei levels (or maybe fourth level?).
so anyone just starting out in dressage or those with young horses will
ride in a snaffle only.

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque
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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:20:21 GMT

In article <1dr447INNh8r@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>,
sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM (Shelley Frisch - Sun USOPS WSU Supplier
Engineering) writes:
> I am looking for some input, advice regarding shoeing.
> 
> Yesterday I went to the barn to ride and found that 
> Billy had half pulled a shoe.  My ferrier had just 
                                    ^^^^^^^
> 
> The person that I board from said that the ferrier told her
                                             ^^^^^^^
> 
> The ferrier called me last night and told me that Billy 
      ^^^^^^^

    Please don't take this as a flame, because it's not meant
    to be one, but the correct word is farrier.  (I'm a tech.
    writer, and I have  this thing about words. :-) )

    Ferrier sounds like someone who's name should be Toto.  :-)

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From: kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel)
Subject: Walker For Sale
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:02:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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One of my riding buddies has decided to sell her Tennessee Walker. She is
coming 3, is coal black with a big white blaze, 2 hind stockings, and 1 
front stocking. She is already about 15.3 hands. She has been turned out on
about 400 acres in our foothills for the last year, so she is in great shape
and is very handy. She has been handles all along, and has had the best of
everything, including very consistent worming. The reason she is selling her
is that this filly doesn't fit with the rest of her horses. She also rides
reiners and team pens, and her husband just trail rides. Our concern is that
for this filly to be a trail horse she would have to be slowed down from her
natural gaits to stay with the other horses, and that is just not fair. I will
be starting this filly this winter, unless she is sold first. I don't know 
much about Walker breeding but here goes. Her reg. name is Chances Skys R
Blue JSO. She is by Gay Boy Chance, who appears to be line bred Gay Chance.
She is out of Marya of Mikalew S.G., who has Mr. Terrific and several   
Midnite horses. Susan is asking $2500, and if anyone is interested you can
email me or call at 208-323-5038.
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From: A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey)
Subject: Re: Rain Scald
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:16:22 GMT

In article <1du505INNfs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel) writes:
> (VERY good stuff deleted)
>Since you are somewhat new to the horse world, I
>would almost say you are better off boarding for a
>few years.  There are just so many things to learn
>about horses that it helps to have someone kind
>of guide or supervise you.  And if you start showing
>eventually, you'll find you have to board in the
>winters anyways otherwise you'll lose3-4 months
>of training time every winter.

Another possiblity is a "self-serve" boarding barn.  Where I have my
horse, we're "self-care".  I pay the barn owner for the use of a
stall and $5 extra for him to feed in the morning.  I buy the feed,
I set out the feed, I decide what and how much to feed, I clean the
stall.  This is a good way to get a feel for the amount of work
horses can be.  (And it's a LOT of work).  I spend about three hours
a day at the barn, and some days I see my horse only as I drive
up.
I tried "full-care" at this same barn, but I wasn't satisfied with
the feed (not enough for a TB), the turn-out (no water/shade), and
the stall (dark, not mucked often enough).  Horse chores are
probably easier if you don't have to drive 20 min. to go do them,
but this way I can call someone to set feed for me if I can't get
out there myself.  To me, I have the best of both worlds.  My horse
gets the care and feeding I want, and I still have an indoor arena
to ride in and people around to socialize with.
From: germanM@moravian.edu (The Meganator)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: school horse wanted
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:09:59 GMT
Distribution: na

Sorry about the last post.  I'm new to posting.  If you can help me at
all you can e-mail me at germanM.moravian.edu It should get here but
we've been having problems with our system receiving outside mail.
Thanks to anyone with info.
				Megan
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: quito@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marco Quito Perlman)
Subject: Owners killing horses for insurance money
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:56:44 GMT

There's an article in clari.news.interest.animals with that title. If you can,
read it. It's a revolting story... at least something is being done to stop 
this.

Quito

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From: amo@cbnews.cb.att.com (arlene.m.osborne)
Subject: thanks
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:55:35 GMT
Keywords: thanks

I'd like to thank all those that sent me encouraging words
after the recent death of my pony, Fatt.

Please give your critters an extra goodie whenever you can --
I had bought Fatt a jar of applesauce the day we lost him...
he never got to eat it.

Thanks again.
Arlene Osborne
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Rain Scald
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:50:53 GMT

Beata Jones bjones@pbs.org wrote:

>Is "rain scald" the same thing as "rain rot" (in the US)?

When I asked my vet about "rain scald" he called the condition "rain rot"
so I'm guessing that they are the same. (It wasn't either in my case ;-) )

>A related question: has anyone heard the theory about rain rot being
>caused by acid rain? I've always thought that it is a fungal
>infection of the skin. Any comments?

An interesting idea (acid rain) but...? My vet talked as if it is a
fungal infection.

>Beata
>--
>***************************************************
>   Beata Jones    bjones@pbs.org
>***************************************************

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Full Bridles--A Question
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:09:41 GMT
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There seems to be a large dressage contingent on the net...

I'm curious--how many of you dressage folks ride in a full bridle?
(You know--separate curb and snaffle bits, medium to long shank
on the curb, two reins, etc.)  If not, why not?  Are there rules
about bitting and bridles in dressage?

I've been wondering about this for a long time and Julie's posting
about Copper doing dressage now, but having been cross-country'd
in a curb made me wonder all over again.  As a saddleseat rider,
where the whole basis of hands/restraint/collection is subtle
use of the curb and snaffle in combination, I wonder why I've
only seen full bridles at the highest dressage levels.

What gives?

Linda Merims

 

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From: walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker)
Subject: Re: Turnout Schedules (Was Re: Letting loose)
Organization: Auburn University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:58:15 GMT

>How do others handle horses with pink skin?  There probably
>aren't too many that are pink all over like Quest, but how
>about bald faces or Paints with large sections of pink?

>Melanie
>  and Quest (who would rather be dirty)
>-- 
>**************************************************************
>          Melanie L. Dresser      mdresser@pbs.org    
>**************************************************************

I have a Quarter/Saddlebred cross with lots of white.  He as a bald 
face with very pink skin and sunburns easily.  The best solution I have 
found for his sunburn is generously applying SPF 25 sunscreen to his face, 
expecially his nose daily.  Without the sunscreen, his poor nose becomes 
raw, blistered, and peels.  The other alternative is keeping him stalled 
during the hot summer and fall days, which he absolutely hates.

Paula and
Blazer (who hates to have sunscreen on his nose)
& Warrior (who is black, and doesn't worry about sunburn)
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: racing
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:24:47 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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 You know, if they would only bank the turns, it would save a whole
 lot of fine young TB bones!

patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov

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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:51:22 GMT

T. J. Butler Said (See below).

Timothy, everything you said has some validity but before YOU go off
with a chip on your shoulder remember I said twice, it is MY opinion
and everyone, including you and me, are entitled to at least one. ;-)
As someone on the net says, "you're mileage may vary!"

>Before you all get too high and mighty about disapproving
>horse racing, just remember that there are a lot of animal rights
>activists that think any type of riding is abusive.

>It may be easy to defend against those types of beliefs in your
>own minds, but it all boils down to a question of degree. It would
>be a small step further for the jumpers to say that the eventers
>are too hard on horses, (and actually have alot of validity to their
>argument). Then the dressage people could say that all jumping is too
>hard on the horses, and it goes on ad infinitum.

>Remember, about your own opinions, there will always be someone
>that feels your opinion is extreme, and someone else whose opinion
>is more extreme.

>tim butler

Diane
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabian Information Wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:38:07 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov11.200107.467@lrc.edu>, quanbeck_hm@lrc.edu writes:
> I am gathering information about Arabians for a friend of mine who thinks he
> would like to buy several show horses with the intention of reselling them to
> make money.

My advice on this (and remember it is just MHO), your friend sounds crazy.
If he has no experience in Arabs, there is no way he is going to make any
money doing this.  People who buy Arabs almost always tend to buy them from
trainers with a reputation and it takes years to make a rep in any show field.

> 
> I need: the cost of a well bred Arab. from 1-3 yrs. old either green broke or 
>         not trained at all.
>         the average cost per class at an Arab. show.  I'm in North Carolina
> 	so the show should be somewhere within a days drive of there.
> 	the price you could expect to get for a finished horse that is at least
> 	placing in breed approved shows.
> 	any other information about Arabs that might prove useful in calculating
> 	the net profit he can expect to make.
> 

Horses are not a profit industry any more.  The tax laws were changed a few
years ago and most of the people who were in the horse business for the money
have been getting out, to the betterment of the breed, I might add.
Also, we are talking about Arabs here.  Arabs are not the easiest horse to
handle if you are not familiar with the breed.  Don't get me wrong, I love
them.  But unless you understand that often they are smarter than you might
think, then you are in trouble.
I don't know anyone who would recommend your friend pursue this.  It's not
a good idea, IMHO.

Sue

> Thanks for the information and I update those who are interested in his final
> decision and findings.
> 
> You may e-mail me and I will pass the information on to him.
> Quanbeck_HM@lrc.edu
>
From: mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk (Marcus Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: *Intermediate Level Competitions*
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:41:27 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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	Brunel University Riding Club is based at the university in 
	West London, and is looking for any other universities to 
	help to arrange competitions for beginner and intermediate
	levels of riding (similar to the UAU competitions ). It seems
	at Brunel that the advanced group do the competing, so it 
	would be quite nice to get the beginners and intermediates 
	involved in competitions.
		If there are any universities who would be willing to 
	challenge our intermediates and or beginners, that would be 
	great ! 
				Thanks!
				Marcus Jones

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From: todd@todd.b17a.ingr.com (Todd Palmer)
Subject: Mare For Sale
Reply-To: $USER@`uname -n`.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:01:57 GMT

Hello,
	I have a reg. Walking/Racking mare for sale. This mare is 
in foal to "Pride of Midnight" walking horse. She  can be trail
ridden also. $1500.00 
-- 
				Todd Palmer  
				Intergraph Corp.
				205-730-7706 
				Madison Al.
                                todd@todd.b17a.ingr.com 
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From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: Leg Wraps/rub downs/hosing...
Summary: I guess it would depend on the horse.
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:22:33 GMT

I show Hank quite a bit, as you all are well aware of by now.

The only time I use anything like Absorbine Linament is after
our jumping shows.  I know how good it feels on my hands after
a jumping show, so I can imagine how good it must feel on his
legs!!!  :*)

I use shin/splint boots trail riding..but only because of the
possibility of getting scraped or cut by vegetation.  I don't
use anything working in the arena at home, unless I am schooling
over jumps.  Then, I just use my splint boots in the front 'cause
he's alittle lazier at home!  :*)

Bless his heart and knock wood, the only time he's been sore is
after a vet gave him an Eastern/Western vacine for something or
another.  His neck was sore to the point he didn't want to pick
up the left lead canter...his best side!  ;*(  I have a new vet
now!  :*)  (The one who froze Hank's cancerous tumors.)

Anyway...some horses are finer boned, stalled 20+ hours of the
day, have past history of splint/tendon/etc problems...and they
may need the extra effort to keep them sound.  I know of one
lady who wouldn't even THINK about putting her horse out in the
arena to play without shin/splint boots on!  (TB/WB cross...fine
boned).  Guess, like I said in the summary line above, that it
probably depends on the horse.

Last show of the year tomorrow.  McKay Creek Farms, 8:00 a.m. is
our first class.  (Beaverton, Oregon).  I'm taking the rest of
the year off to help Mom with the Holiday mahem and cookie baking,
etc.  Least I can do for Mom!  Hope to see some of you there!!!
Wish us luck!  :*)  (We'll need it, trust me on this one!)

Megan, Larry her Fiance (who pays for all of her shows), Clyde his
Black Lab (who better start going outside in the rain to potty and
stop piddling on the floor 'cause Larry's threatening to get rid of
him), Edgar her Black Cat (who meows all the way across the wet
grass), and High Action Hank, APHA, who doesn't seem to complain
about anything or do anything wrong hardly.  (Hardly!)  :*)
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Turnout Schedules (Was Re: Letting loose)
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:13:21 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1d9lldINN49t@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> In article <1992Nov3.110040.18698@pbs.org>,
> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>>
>>How do others handle horses with pink skin?  There probably
>>aren't too many that are pink all over like Quest, but how
>>about bald faces or Paints with large sections of pink?
>>
> 
> At horse shows, when other people were putting baby oil on their
> horses' noses and eyes, I was always putting SUNTAN oil on mine!
> Although I don't know how to deal with one that has allergies to the
> chemicals in sunblocks.
> 
> =gwyn

Yes, I forgot to mention this, but I use Water Babies SPF 45
on the muzzle and around eyes for day turnout and shows. Since
its gentle enough for babies, I figured it would be gentle
enough for Quest and so far no problems.

Melanie
   and Quest
-- 
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          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
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Subject: Re: Question: snaffles in dressage
From: dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:45:35 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:

> Regarding the discussion on bits for dressage, just exactly
> what kind of snaffles are allowed - e.g., plain egg but,
> loose ring, any with a twist or rollers, dr. bristol, etc?
> 
> I've noticed at my new hunter barn, that many horses are ridden
> in a snaffle - looks kind, and then when they take the bridle
> off, the mouthpiece is often quite severe - ie, double twisted wires.
> I assume that this is not done in dressage, but do they actually
> check your bit when you're in a show?
> 
        The basic rule for what bits are permissable under AHSA/USDF/FEI 
rules is simply stated in the AHSA rule book as "All bits must be smooth 
and solid. Twisted, wire and roller bits are prohibited." (1984-85 AHSA 
rule book, pg 170.) All of the rule books for the above listed 
organizations give illustration and listings for various permitted, 
commonly used snaffles -and- curbs.
        Yes, your assumption *is* correct: the severe snaffles you have 
noted in the hunter barn are NOT used to show in dressage, although there 
is a lamentable trend (on the West Coast, at least,) to use thenm to 
school lower level horses. Point in fact, if a registered Hunter judge is 
on the ball, they will *penalize* or *disqualify* a horse that has 
"non-conventional" (AHSA rule book quote) noseband (including any form of 
drop noseband!) or bit. Traditionaly, one of the scoring points for 
Hunters is manners and tractability.
        Are bits and tack actually checked at recognized dressage 
competitions? You Bet! Stewards check each entrant prior to entering the 
arena, and will disqualify any who do not conform to regulation 
standards. Likewise, Stewards police warm-up areas for use of prohibited 
devices such as martingales, draw reins, etc.

        Dio (who is going to get her 'R' card... SOMEday!)

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From: vls@cube.handheld.com (Vern Stant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing(for)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:40:23 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: world
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My wife and I have 4 horses, 2 being ex-racehorse TB's. Our state has just  
passed paramutial betting. We may even race the TB's again in small local races  
so we would be interested.

Vern

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