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From: vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Subject: ******ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR SINGAPOREANS IN CANADA*****
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 05:18:27 GMT

1) Minister Visiting Montreal, Que.
-----------------------------------
The Minister of Communications, Mr. Mah Bow Tan will be visiting 
Montreal, Quebec in September.
 
Through an exclusive arrangement with The Office of The Singapore Student 
Advisor (Burnaby, B.C. Canada), the minister will be meeting Singaporean 
students and working Singaporeans alike then. The meeting will take place 
at :
        THE SHANGRI-LA HOTEL, MONTREAL, QUE. ON 25 SEP 1992. 
        TIME : 5:00 PM SHARP
 
All Singaporean students who are studying, working, residing or even 
doing nothing in the nearby vicinity who wish to attend the a/m meeting 
can call The Office of The Singapore Student Advisor, Ms Ng Yun Sian to 
arrange for an invitation to be sent to you. Please contact Ms Ng 
(collect calls will be accepted) at : (604) 439-3340 
                            or fax  : (604) 439-3329
 
For those who live reasonably near and want to go, you can arrange for 
group transport, and The Office of The Singapore Student Advisor might be 
able to arrange for transport subsidies for you. Please call Ms Ng to 
discuss before you do decide to venture forth.
 
2) S'porean Student Newsletter - Canada Wide (Yes, We did it!!)
---------------------------------------------------------------
After so many false alarms, unwanted and unforseen 
disruptions, I am pleased to inform one and all that the very 
first Singaporean Student Newsletter for Canada is REALLY 
out!!!!!!!
 
The student advisor for Canada, Ms Ng Yun Sian, who is based in Burnaby, 
British Columbia, Canada, has been instrumental in the successful 
launching of the inaugural issue. 
 
For one and all whom I had promised copies, please call Ms Ng at:
                   (604) 439-3340 or (collect calls accepted)
             fax   (604) 439-3329
to ensure that you will get one. 
      
While we rejoice at the triumph, planning for the next issue is already 
under way. Whoever wishes to help out, contribute your 2 cents worth, or 
express whatever sentiments (we have a forum page - a la The Straits 
Times), can e-mail yours truly. My internet mail address is :
                       v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: simlau@cc.uow.edu.au (sim kim lau)
Subject: job opportunity in malaysia
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 03:28:38 GMT

I have not been home (Malaysia) for several years.
Does anyone has any information about the computing or information systems 
job opportunity in Malaysia?
Please reply through email or post through the net.
Thank You. Terimakasih!!

S. K. Lau
email: simlau@uow.edu.au

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: UC580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo)
Subject: Re: Salaries of Graduates in M'sia
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:49:35 CDT

In article <1992Sep14.144157.42984@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
chuah@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
 
>
>After reading the posting "Job Opportunity in Malaysia", I have a
>question in mind :
>
(- stuff deleted -)
 
>I have read on this net postings of salaries in Singapore but not in Malaysia.
>I am personally interested in salaries of computer scientists holding an
>undergraduate degree and also a master's degree. I will be graduating soon,
>and this information will definitely help me decide if I should try to get
>a job here before contemplating returning to Malaysia.
>
>I thank you in advance for all information supplied.
>
>Chuah
 
I am not sure about computer scientist in Malaysia, I do know a few of
friends who graduated last year and two of them found jobs working for
IBM (Mesiniaga) and Hitachi in Kuala Lumpur. They are either programmer
analysts and/or system support personnel. Here are some
data, I got from them:
 
   Degree/College      Field      Company                 Salary/month
   --------------      ------     -----------------       --------
   B.S. (U. of Mich)   Comp.Sci.  IBM - Programmer/A      $1900
   B.A. (U. of Okla)   Info.Sys.  Hitachi (M) -           $1600
                                  System Support
   M.S. (U.C. Irvine)  Comp.Sci.  Intel Penang -          $2200
                                  System Engineer
   B.S.(Monash Uni,AUS)Info.Sys.  Malayan Banking -       $1450
                                  Programmer/Anal I.
 
If you do not have any working experience (related to your degree),
you might be in the mercy of some employers when negiotiating salary.
 
It is preferably to have at least 1-2 years of industrial experience
(summer jobs, and part-time do count, so put them in your resume!)
should you decide to return to Malaysia to look for a job. Also, believe it or
not, good grades work when negiotiating salary and position. So, if you
have good GPA, you will have better chances of landing the job.
 
 
 
Albert Foo
Biometric Computer Consultant
Fisheries Research Center, Columbia
Missouri Department of Conservation
Email: uc580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:04:26 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <1992Sep14.175457.16551@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> 
> What I and us, Malaysians, can't be bothered about is attacking Singapore.
> Read my lips!!! What has my being in America got to do with anything? I'm
> reiterating the fact that people in Malaysia could not care less and y'all
                                                                     ^^^^^^^^^
> are "kia-su" to death! Besides, talking about the security embrace of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> America, isn't that why y'all have Big Brother put a base there?
> So what else are y'all so touchy about?
> 

Now, you don't mean to generalize ALL Singaporeans do you ? Would you
like to ENUMERATE ALL those Singaporeans that you PERSONALLY know AND
consider kia-su, so as to avoid being lamented as bigot for such gross
generalization ? See, I don't automatically assume you are one either.

-Osbert


p.s. Why kids always have to bring their adults involve when they fighting ?
     let them fight their own war ! tsk, tsk.
-- 
                                     _ _
---------------------------------ooo--U--ooo------------------------------------
fellow@cs.utexas.edu  Standard disclaimer applies. My opinions are, simply mine.
fellow@natinst.com            Down with racism. Down with imperialism.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:49:02 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>: 

>: By the way, Othman, why are you bringing this up?  We Malaysians are peace 
>Just like you when you were young, I love knowing about airplanes. Unlike you,
>I have not overgrown that desire. Some younger posters may know more.

>: loving people.  We are not going to have wars with everybody.
>: 
>: Anyone who are reading this, please don't put us Malaysians in the same class
>: as Othman here.  We are all peace loving people.  We DON'T LIKE WARS.
>: I'm sure most of the usual Malaysians will agree with me.
>Maybe you just leave the vietnamese and chinese take our oilfields away just
>like that.
>	Or being massacred like the Bosnian muslims.

Hey ! Chan never mentioned anything about Vietnamese, Chinese or Muslims.
Naughty ! Naughty ! Still the same old Othman.

>My opinion about war strategies are entirely differenct and controversial,
>as usual. It however solves our education and industry problems at the 
>same time. Maybe another thread. See you in 2 weeks time.
>	I'm going back to SABAH to see my family.

Yipee !  No "Othman-postings" for two weeks but on the other hand, no humor
from him, too ! Pray that your family hasn't disowned you ! 
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Great to be back from a break....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:09:23 GMT

USA offers Malaysia 30 F16 at discount prices.
Singapore wants some more F16, I heard vaguely on SBC(Singapore).

IMO Malaysia should go for Mig 29. It is dual engined, and carbon fibred
body. It is in the class of F15, whereas F16 is only with the Mig23.

Based on Malaysian experiece with singled engined F5, there are a lot of
accidents. Malaysia should opt for dual engined aeroplanes. It will save
us lots of money. Each plane costs US $38million(?). We can still bargain!
	Malaysia should buy at least 2 squadrons, i.e. 24 aircraft. 

I'm not sure of the characteristics of these Mig29. They could be the latest.
I read somewhere in old aircraft books that they are equipped with look-down
radar which is better than F16(?).
	Surely by now there is no secret any more. We can know exactly what
armament is carried by these Mig 29 versus F16. Can it carry exocet missiles,
or other anti-ship missiles etc? F16 surely cannot, it is too small. It can
only carry bombs.
	The advantage of F16 is in the Sidewinder missiles. But those missiles
are found in F5, hawks, and the other one( that keeps on falling down).
Surely we can put them on the Mig 29, after all sidewinder is smart, we do not
have to aim so accurately. Just fire!

These Mig 29 are beautiful. They would look good in our airshows. Even the
german pilots admit that it is more manoevrable than the Nato Tornadoes.
Hopefully they are also as robust as those Russian planes, especially under
or "rough" technicians.
	If Malaysia were to buy those VTOL harriers, at least 2, then we 
will have even better air displays. Hopefully they will last until 2020.

How about Singaore? Why wont you buy the F15s?


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:59:38 GMT

Limsoon Wong (limsoon@saul.cis.upenn.edu) wrote:
: 
: Hi:
: 
: Please pardon my ignorance, but I am intriqued by the 
: differences between "interceptor, "air superiority
: fighter", and "dog-fighter". Can a kind soul enlighten
: me with some explanations? In particular, what does
: an "air superiority fighter" do? I can guess the function
: of the other two, but this one....
: 
:                                          Limsoon Wong.
interceptor -- shoot down enemy a/c over your own airspace/territory.
               e.g. F5, Mig-25.  A point-interceptor is one which doesn't
	       has the endurance to loiter in the sky and wait for the
	       enemy fighter.  Russians are good in making them.

air superiority fighter -- fly to the enemy airspace/territory and shoot
			   down their a/c so as to gain air superiority.
			   (Dare you take-off or I'll kick your butt out of
			   the sky).
			   e.g F15, one model of Tornado.

dog-fighter -- general term for fighter which uses short-range/line-of-sight
	       weapons (sidewidner, 20mm cannon) to engage enemy fighter.
	       Itself also has good maneuverability to evade enemy persue.
	       e.g. F-16, Mig-21

-WS
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Dept of Electrical Engineering         \  Bitnet:  ENGP2065@NUSVM.bitnet      
National University of Singapore        \  Phone:  (+65) 772 6319       
10, Kent Ridge Crescent. Singapore 0511. \______________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Singapore Citizenship
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:20:11 GMT

In article <thia.716172205@haven.sce.carleton.ca>, thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) writes:
|> Hi! I am a graduate student studying in Canada. Recently, my wife
|> gave birth to a baby boy. I would like to knowhere I should 
|> report to the Singapore authorities such that my son will be
|> able to hold Singapore Citizenship. Both my wife and myself are
|> Singaporeans. 
|> I understand there is no Singapore Embassy in Toronto.
|> 
|> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
|> 
Since both of you are Singapore citizens, your son will not have problems getting
Singapore citizenship if you do it NOW.  Singapore only have a consulate in 
Canada at Vancouver, B.C.  The nearest embassy is at Washington D.C. and you can
register your son via mail to them (the embassy).

If some kind netter could post the address it would be great.  Otherwise give me
a call in the evenings (596-6842) and I'll try to dig it up for you.
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:39:49 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>USA offers Malaysia 30 F16 at discount prices.
>Singapore wants some more F16, I heard vaguely on SBC(Singapore).

>IMO Malaysia should go for Mig 29. It is dual engined, and carbon fibred
>body. It is in the class of F15, whereas F16 is only with the Mig23.

>I'm not sure of the characteristics of these Mig29. They could be the latest.
>I read somewhere in old aircraft books that they are equipped with look-down
>radar which is better than F16(?).
>	The advantage of F16 is in the Sidewinder missiles. But those missiles
>are found in F5, hawks, and the other one( that keeps on falling down).
>Surely we can put them on the Mig 29, after all sidewinder is smart, we do not
>have to aim so accurately. Just fire!

Not having read any recent updates on the capability, the advantages (re:
robustness, armament, electronics, etc) of the Mig29 vs F16 is more
academic than military. Intelligence grapevine is that Russian electronics
are couple yrs behind US :-). Butr I still think the advantage of the
F16 is that, it is battle-tested, proven, and decorated, while the Mig29...
???? Of course, hardware used against the F16 were mainly Russian-origin...
so maybe that don't really prove that the F16 is superior...

As for Sinapore buying more F16s, there was a recent article in the
Straits Times (o/s ed.) reporting that Singapoore will lease some from
the USAF for trg purpose, and later purchase new ones when they are
off the assembly line. Since both the US and Singapore had not publicly
published the type of electronics on Singapore's F16s, well, maybe
our F16s aren't top-of-the-line... :-(

>These Mig 29 are beautiful. They would look good in our airshows. Even the
>german pilots admit that it is more manoevrable than the Nato Tornadoes.
>Hopefully they are also as robust as those Russian planes, especially under
>or "rough" technicians.
>	If Malaysia were to buy those VTOL harriers, at least 2, then we 
>will have even better air displays. Hopefully they will last until 2020.

Beauty does not win wars, which I think is why you want these expensive
aircraft. Otherwise I think model planes, even remote-control ones
are certainly more economical.... and within reach of lotsa more people..:-)

>How about Singaore? Why wont you buy the F15s?

Really.. if we bought them, I wonder if M'sia wouldn't buy Mig31s...
Just kidding; we don't need 2 engines to get our butt in the air, and
scare intruders off anyway... if you are any good, any ol' plane would
do, really...

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.

Bin Ong
Univ of Illinois
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: HHU (Heaven Help Us!) Thanx Geeva!! (we need more like you)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:35:12 GMT

subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
 
        responding to an earlier posting on YES, some religious islam 
propanganda (not again you say - the holy war wages on) :
 
> Dear netters,
>       I agree with Victor regarding the above issue. 
>       Lets keep this group for our own educational and 
>       economical use or even personal use and lets not
>       talk about religious stuff here!!!
 
Thanx for agreeing with me, Geeva. Oh no, don't anyone out there get me 
wrong - I am not the network policeman nor I ever aspire to be one. I 
just don't like being imposed upon.
I am going to do one and all a favor, well, that depends if ning kam poos 
(sic?) out there will take up the offer - I am listing all usenet 
newsgroups which I think religious posting might be tolerated; after all, 
that's why these groups have been created :
 
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy  Religion. And not religion. Both. Neither.
alt.pagan                 Discussions about paganism & religion.
alt.religion.adm3a        Flaming the merits of the Sigler-Lear ADM3A.
alt.religion.all-worlds   
alt.religion.computers    People who believe computing is "real life."
alt.religion.emacs        Emacs.  Umacs.  We all macs.
alt.religion.kibology     He's Fred, Jim.
alt.religion.scientology  Friends and foes of L. Ron Hubbard.
comp.sys.next.advocacy    The NeXT religion.
soc.culture.jewish        Jewish culture & religion. (cf. 
talk.politics.mideast)
soc.religion.bahai        Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. (Moderated)
soc.religion.christian    Christianity and related topics. (Moderated)
soc.religion.eastern      Discussions of Eastern religions. (Moderated)
**********************
* soc.religion.islam *    Discussions of the Islamic faith. (Moderated)
**********************                       **************
talk.religion.misc        Religious, ethical, & moral implications.
talk.religion.newage      Esoteric and minority religions & philosophies.
 
Hey all religious die-hards out there, there is life after 
soc.culture.asean after all!!! Please spare us from your whinings!!!!!
 
 
P.S. If you still think you're missing something, take a 
closer look. It's supposed to be up there somewhere!!!!

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: to Kelvin Cheu of Irvine
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:01:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Kelvin,
	The tape is on its way.  I am sure you will receive it by Friday.  
Enjoy, and if you interested in other games, let me know.
        By the way, what is your net address ?
Jack Teh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:53:53 GMT

Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:
: : 
: : Interview with Non Eastern Bloc pilots who were invited to fly the Mig29
: : shows that that a/c is poor in human engineering.  The pilot has to spend
: : lot of time struggle with the controls thus divert some of the attention
: : the pilot needs for target engagement.
: 
: It could be the lack of HUD. If you are new to an aircraft, surely you need
: to fiddle more. It reminds me of Mac vs PCs. Once you are an expert, everything
: is second nature. You can even judge speed and position from your gut feeling.
: If you rely on those instrumentation, it may be too late.
If have mistaken what is human engineering.  Maybe the Russian uses
brain-washing to "human" engineer their pilots.

: : During the target acquisition phase, the missile gyro is slave to the
: : a/c's gyro.  Once the pilot aligned his a/c to the target, the pilot 
: : uncage the missile's gyro (so call lock-on) and the missile is ready
: : is guide itself base on the information gathered on it IR seeker.
: 
: You may be out of date. Those are old sidewinders. The latest one have
: fast and wide acquisiton angle. You can fire at an incoming aircraft.
: That is the secret success of the Harrier verses the Mirage III of the
: Argentinian navy. Of course, the Mirages were heavy with missiles so cannot
: manoevre.

I was just explaning the launch sequence.  You reminded me that I'm out of
date so I better get my brother to get me this summer's aviation journel.
: 
: 	I thought that the Arab pilots do not like dog fights, unlike Israel and
: US pilots. They may not be well trained. Mig21 can hold its own against F4
: phantom in the hands of Vietnamese/Russian pilots.

A figther pilot cannot say he doesn't like to dog-fight because it is his
job to do so.  Dog-fighting is like arts, you need imagination and practice.
Syrian pilots lack either one or both.
: 
: I thought infra-red is not BVR. It is most effective in the sidewinders. Bigger
Sidewinder is a close range missile but IR passive detection is not limited
to close range.


-Won Soon
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Dept of Electrical Engineering         \  Bitnet:  ENGP2065@NUSVM.bitnet      
National University of Singapore        \  Phone:  (+65) 772 6319       
10, Kent Ridge Crescent. Singapore 0511. \______________________________
From: hkok@cse.unl.edu (honyin kok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Internet nodes in Malaysia
Keywords: Internet Nodes <Malaysia>
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:02:15 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln


  Does anyone know if there are any internet sites in Malaysia?  If yes, are
these sites open to public?  Please reply via e-mail.  Thanks.

                       Later,
                    Hon-Yin dude.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:01:53 CDT

In article <7564@monmouth.edu> t7062@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHEE TAN) writes:
>
>You are right ... if only Bush is going to sell M'sia the latest model of
>F16, i.e. Model C or D.  But I don't think Bush will be so generous ...

	Read his lips, no F-16.
	Read his leadership, oh boy! He is cheap!!

	Five thousand years ago, Moses said:
	"Park your camel, pick up your shovel, mount your ass, and
	 I shall lead you to the Promised Land."

	Five thousand years later, Franlin Roosevelt said:
	"Lay down your shovel, sit on your ass and
	 light up a camel: This is the Promised Land."

	Today, Bush will tax your shovel, sell your camel, kick you
	in the ass, and tell you there is no Promised Land.  

							-Extracted from rec.humor
							 (w/o permission)

>  [stuff deleted]
>


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