From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 2 of 4
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:52:49 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Oct16.145332.15264@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <ldrpv6INNhvn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
>
>    >My point, again: Neither you nor Clayton has presented good
>    >statistical information. Your samples are bad, and your use
>    >of labelling is also bad. There's no special need to present
>    >good numbers refuting your claims, because you've presented
>    >no compelling evidence. Your question about samples is
>    >particularly telling -- if you aren't familiar with the
>    >sources of bias in samples, you've got little business making
>    >statistically based claims.
>
>Oh, this is wonderful. Simply superb. Let me translate:
>
>"The figures you have presented and sources (all carefully cited) by
> people who work in the field in question, are no good. I, a figure
> that is neither professional nor working the field, say this is true.
> Since I have said YOUR figures are no good, I do not need to give
> any figures to refute this, because, as I have said, your data doesn't
> count."
>
>
So here we have a 'translation' biased by the poster.  You really cannot
translate for him, unless you know exactly what he has said.  You have made
a reading of the poster's message and translated to your own expressions.

I could easy venture out and make my own translation as well, one that fits
with my ideas and viewpoints, but isn't that the thrust of the original posting.
I have to concur that the 'evidence' as presented by Mr. Cramer, is not
conclusive about anything, and it even lacks any persausive quality.  I found
that Mr. Cramer misread many of the statements that he drew out of his
'research' materials.  He misdefined or redefined word usages in these statements
as well, in order to reflect his own person viewpoint.

I think that the entire discussion on the relationship between child molestation
and homosexuality is lacking in any credibility.  The best that we know, and it
has been admitted by Mr. Cramer is that a majority of molestation is done by
men against little girls, but there is a disproportionality between between number of
victims exist.... of course I have my opiions about this, from information that
shows that when little girls are molested they are many times repeatably molested
by the same person, whereas molestation of young boys in many cases is a one time
event between molestor and child. If we actaully counted all events of molestation
we might be surprised.  Unless of course, we take the position that quantity is more
important than repeated offense against the same person.


>Blow it out your Politically Correct fascist intellectually dishonest
>orifice-of-choice.
>

Do you feel all warm and fuzzy inside when you make you great political statements
such as the one above?

Of course you are free to post such dribble, just as I am quite free to call you
on it.

And on another not, stop labelling everyone as PC just becuase you feel that your
right to make a statement has been violated or that you are being oppressed by
people so that you cannot exercise your 'God' given rights to call people names
or lambaste them at your whim.

THIS HAS BEEN THE ENTIRE THRUST OF MY POSTINGS- STOP CALLING NAMES AND START DISCUSSING
THINGS AS THOUGH WE WERE ADULTS, NOT CHILDERN ON THE PLAYGROUND CALLING EACH OTHER
NAMES AND STAMPING OUR FEET.

>
>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>

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