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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.japan
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:46:35 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rubbish!
	<Bz27vw.4B5@SSD.intel.com>
Distribution: usa

Mr. Hays writes:

>Every other paragraph of Rikiya-san's postings makes a distinction
based on >race
>- he may not be screaming "kill the lesser races", but he's certainly a
>racist, and not a particularly subtle one.]

Of course, I make "observations" as to race. This is because the human
"race" is very complexed. I think that you want me to be a racists. But,
no can do!

Yes, I stand by all that you put down that I said. And, I would take
anything back! These things are not racist. But, observations! Whether
true or not, depends on time. I'm a little disappointed in two  of the
things that you presented on my account: 
(1)    "I say to a
>white person
>that he is stupid" [racist haiku?  I know, the meter is wrong]

This is commpetely represented out of context. The whole statement
went,"I never would say to a white people that he(or she) is stupid
because they're white". See how much better that is.

(2)
>"Japanese should be protecting them[sic] themselves from you."

This was a personally directed!

Oh! I see that you meant to put my statemnet "out of Context" well only
two were
grossly out of context. I think that the rest stand very well! I'm
impressed too! You should think about taking one's statement out of
context. It's like lying! Where are you morals! Now, usually, I would be
highly insulted and looking for "blood" but I'm so use to this news
group doing this that I have grown insensative. Also, your "out of
context ploy" have defended your main objective. Let see what school are
you in? Oh! I take it that you are out of school. Well, Alot has change
since then. But, one thing hasn't. Prejury! Ya know, prejury is a crime!
And, it is punishable by civil suit too. You almost
prejured me(if it wasn't for your statement that this is what you
intended to do). I'm positive that there is some other form of my
rights(you know that the federal government protect my civil rights
also) have you have eigther slandered, abused and/or denied me thereof.
I would never do this to you! I have to consider this!
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Rubbish!
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:19:19 GMT

In article <of_fSLK00iV1I4SVYJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Rikiya Asano) writes:

> This is how Most White
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Americans think that slavery did something for something "positive" for
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More evidence of your racism Riki?

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Re: New Libertarian Gun Control Book
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.105908.380@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:

>THE SAMURAI, THE MOUNTIE, AND THE COWBOY
>
>It's a libertarian public-policy book on gun control that takes an
>international, "multicultural" perspective.

I don't understand why you call this book libertarian.  Kopel closes the
book with the comment that gun controls should be left up to the states
and not the federal government.  Huh ?  That's pretty unlibertarian IMO.
A libertarian would say, there should be no gun control laws federal,
state or local.  He says other countries laws are okay for those countries.
Excuse me ?  If the RKBA is really valid it should be valid elsewhere,
not just the USA.

>I've read the chapter on Japan, which is very interesting,

There is a small error in this chapter.  He states female police officers
are not armed; this is not true, female officer were recently issued
Browning .25 automatics.  Okay, okay.  Almost true :-)

>The bit about "responsible firearms policy"

He says the right policy for America should be one that promotes safe
gun use.  A libertarian gun control policy would be NONE, as it is not
a proper function of the government per libertariansim.

It's a very good book, but it's not libertarian.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet)
Subject: Re: Mail Order SKS
Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:10:02 GMT

In article <92352.094820JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.011735.10896@socrates.umd.edu>, ice@socrates.umd.edu
>(Fredrik Nyman) says:
>>
>>resident, and there are no restrictions on gun purchases in Montana,
>>the Massachusetts FID requirement apparently didn't apply; only
>>Massachusetts residents need FIDs.  This is, of course, if the buyer
>>can legally buy the same gun in his home state, which was the case
>>here.
>>
>>At least that's how the gun store owner interpreted the regulations,
>>and as far as I know, MA officials haven't challenged that
>>interpretation.
>>
>>The NRA, however, has, and claims that as a student, the guy should
>>have been considered a Mass. resident.
>>
>>I don't know who is right.
>
>   My understanding of the Firearms Owners Protection Act is that the buyer
>must comply with the laws in each state.  So if one state requires an
>ID card as Mass does, the buyer must have that FID card.  In live in New
>Jersey which also requires an FID card for longarm purchases and I know
>that non NJ residents cannot purchase longarms in NJ without that ID
>card.  I suspect Mass is the same.  A rule of thumb with regards to gun
>laws, if you're not absolutely sure something is legal, you should act
>as if it's not.My bet is that this dealer is gonna fry.
>
>Michael Gordon

I believe that in addition to the above, one is only allowed to purchase
long guns in states that border on the state of one's residence, and
since Montana is not in the group NH, VT, NY, CT, or RI, this condition
was not met either.

I would not want to be that store owner.

  / \ / \     Paul Stoufflet                          / \ / \
 |  / \  |    Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center   |  / \  |
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: goguenm@bach.udel.edu (Matthew L Goguen)
Subject: Re: The basic problem with anti-gun nuts.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:42:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.000100.22277@cs.mun.ca> robin2@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Robin Collier) writes:
>Boy, you really seem to think its everyones God given right to bear arms
>Well, I guess I can't really associate with some of the problems you
>may have in your neck of the woods, since not even the police carry guns
>here.  But mind you, they can do some real damage with a baton.  
>Thats Right!  The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary is the only police
>force in North America that doesn't carry arms.
>Robin Collier
>robin2@garfield.cs.mun.ca

   Point of order, University of Delaware Police, (They are trained in the
DE State Police academy and could take a job as one tommorow. They are
firearm qualified even.) is a second PD that does not carry because
the UD administrators do not see a viable need dispite the 4-5 weapons 
incidents on campus this year. (Conviently hushed of course.)  Several
Universitys around the nation have unarmed certified and qualified
police divisions that do not carry.  (Strange how liberal states and
estates abhour guns even existing.)
Matt Goguen
goguenm@bach.udel.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:24:31 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

i orginally asked the question "How can Japanese be ignorant of the danger
of guns when their media so faithfully portray them?"

thanks to all who answered. the basic summary is that while guns might
be realistically shown in anime, any "real" guns they might see are
perfectly harmless. given that background & the fact that it -was-
halloween, (about the time you'd expect to see costume guns) it's 
easy to see why Hattori didn't treat it with much respect.

thanks again,
jason

--
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Kids and Guns
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:10:59 GMT

I was just listening to the news and the newsbabe said that a kid
gets killed by a gun every 3 hours.  I presume that she means in the
US, since the info came from a US gungrabber group.

That's 2,920 kids per year.  Anybody got any stats on this?  I don't
believe it.

Ken Whitehead
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: Time Served vs. Crime Rates
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:28:37 GMT

<In article <eo4NVB5w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:

<   vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:

<   > Last night NBC did a report on a study which was just completed.
<   > This study looked at crime rates vs. average time served by criminal
<   > in the US.  And shocker of shockers, criminals are now spending less
<   > time in jail for serious crimes than ever before!  Wow, what a
<   > suprise!  In 1990, (last year of available numbers):
<   > 
<   >         Murder gets you   1.8 years served
<   >         Rape gets you      ~9 months served
<   >         Robbery gets you  ~90 days served
<   >         Car theft gets you  3 days served

< I think what you are showing here is the risk each criminal undergoes
< each time he commits a crime. What they did is take the number of
< days served in prison each year for say, car theft and divide it by the
<   number of car thefts that occur to figure how much time on the average
<   they would serve for each crime. Another way to look at is that for
<   every 122 cars stolen each year there is one guy is prison serving time
<   for it.

	Then again, perhaps they are looking at states such
	as Texas which release convicted murderers after as little
	as 2 years time served in order to make room for more persons
	convicted of "drug crimes".

	"Life" nowadays seems to equal about 10 years, for example.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: 20/20 to crucify FFL holders
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Keywords: FFL, criminals getting FFLs, HCI agenda
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:13:14 GMT

In <1992Dec14.121100.24936@watson.ibm.com> mjp@austin.ibm.com  (Michael J. Phelps) writes:
>My wife and i watched the 20/20 show.. it seems that the claims made were:

[deleted]

[excellent common-sense suggestions deleted]

> We have our letter written; now we just need an address for 20/20 - anyone 
> have one?

this is the part that gets me every time - they end the show every week with 
that trite "we're in touch, so you be in touch".

WELL IF YOU'D PUT A GRAPHIC OF THE MAILING ADDRESS ON SCREEN AFTER THE CRAWL,
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO!!!  *&^$)!!

[wiping brow]

sorry about that....

-- 
paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)
       Cosysop - Threat Management Institute BBS 707 935 1713
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Control Petition
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:28:50 EST
Distribution: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:

> and if i didn't want to buy it locally, one can always head down
> south, where you just walk in, drop the cash, and legally buy a gun.

> then you put it under your car seat, and drive across the border.

> there is a high likelyhood you won't get caught.

Excuse me, but you seem to be misinformed about the laws in the U.S.

A gun store isn't going to sell a foreign national a gun unless he
produces the proper paperwork from his consulate saying it is okay for
him to buy it.

I have no doubt that you could track down a private individual who
would be willing to sell you a gun without asking you a lot of
embarrassing questions, but the situation isn't that different from
buying a gun on the street in Canada. You're still breaking the law.


(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Statistical Analysis
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:06:30 GMT

In article <LAMBERT.92Dec16015617@nankeen.spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au>,
lambert@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Tim Lambert) writes:

> I have provided cites, data and extensive analysis to support my
> claims and refuted all objections raised.  I don't see the point of
> repeating it in every post.

Your refutatation of my last objection must not have made it to the U.S.

> Since you`re the one who confused "fitted parameter" with "degree of
> freedom of a chi-square statistic" and persisted in your error even

In your notation, is "degree of freedom" identical to "degree of
freedom of a chi-square statistic"?

Where I come from "degree of freedom" refers to the the number of
dimensions required to span the space (which translates to the number
of fitted parameters in a least square fit).  And you *were* claiming
you used "19 degrees of freedom"...

> after it had been pointed out to you (in email) by a professional
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> mathematician, 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee, I must not have gotten this message...

None of the Mathematicians or Physicists I know could figure out what
you were doing, either.

[maybe it was your non-standard notation. You should avoid using slang ;-]

> it is unlikely that your opinion in this matter is
> worth anything.  None the less, I'm curious.  Can you provide an
> example of poor statistical analysis on my part?

Sorry, my news reader doesn't go back very far...  I pointed it out
the last time.  Don't worry though, I expect I'll flame you next time
you do it, also.

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:38:44 -0500 
From: Seth Adam Eliot <se08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: An annoying defense question

Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 12-Dec-92 Re: An annoying
defense que.. by Nicholas C. Hester@MAINE 
> >In Maine, the cutting of the lines would be regarded as a threatening
> >act and if you feel in fear of your life you can justifiably shoot them.
>  
> Hehehehe, That didn't come out very well, did it? :)  I mean you can shoot
> the perpetrator, not the wires. :)

Ah yes, if you shoot the wires, you'll have to answer to the....
                        ...PHONE COPS!
8-)

-Seth

__________________________________________________________________________
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                    ...because I'm right!"     -Rush Limbaugh

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                              Carnegie Mellon Univerity,   Pittsburgh, PA
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From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: An annoying defense question
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:22:02 GMT
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: ctdonath@mothra.syr.EDU's message of 9 Dec 92 16:39:42 GMT

In many states, the simple unauthorized entry of someone into your
home while you are present is considered a "life-threatening"
situation regardless of their actions.  In many states, you have the
legal right to shoot all trespassers within your home provided they
remain within your home (i.e. after being ordered to leave or that
their body does not fall outside the confines of your domicile itself).
Xref: sparky talk.politics.guns:25214 soc.culture.japan:12350
From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Rikiya Asano and blatant namism (racism by another name)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:17:37 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <0f_g9ka00iV1E4SatP@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Be serious! Choi= most likely Korean; Lui= most likely Chinese;
>Theodroropoulus
>most likely Greek; Levy= most likely Jewish; Richiccio= most likely Italian!
>I do like them! They never did anything to me nor can they! Here is a
>little saying this is kid said to another: Sticks and stones may break
>my bones and names will never hurt me! So, in light of this philosophy,
>You are all my friends. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am not, nor will I ever be, your friend, Riki.  I don't associate with
racist trash like you.

>Is something wrong with this?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, it is a blatant lie and I want the whole world to know the truth.
Wouldn't want anyone to think I liked you (as if I needed to worry...)

Nathan

Oh, by the way...my last name is German...I suppose that means I'm a Nazi
and I hate jews despite the fact that I'm 75% irish.  You make me want to
heave my Wheaties, Riki.

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From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Clinton: good reason to by "bannable" guns, or just good excuse? ;-)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:07:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>>>giving name, address, gun type, and various I'm-really-an-ok-person questions.
>>>What happens to these? If they are entered into a database, as I would assume,
>>>a mandatory "assault weapon" registration law could cause the database to 
>>>be searched for "evil" guns, wait for you to register, and arrest you if
>>>you don't within the alloted time. Any comments on this?
>>
>>There are no such forms when one individual sells to another.
>
>Please note that this is on a state-by-state and local basis.  In 
>California, for example, such sales are illegal, and, I believe, a felony.

Does anyone know if Pennsylvania requires paperwork or FFL when doing a 
private sale of a used handgun or Class III weapon?

Thanks!

Nathan

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From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Mail Order SKS
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:34:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET's message of 16 Dec 92 19:14:13 GMT

JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET queries:
  My questions is did this young man comply with Massachusett's rather
strict firearms laws?  Did he have a Mass FID?  If not, how did he
legally purchase the gun?

My answer:
When the student bought the SKS, which is NOT a modified AK-47, but a
distinct design, he did so in full compliance with Massachusetts law.
He was from Montana and did not need a Mass FID to make the purchase
because he did so, supposedly, as an out of state resident, though he
does in fact reside, temporarily, in Massachusetts.

As I recall from the local news here in Massachusetts, the incident
was racially motivated.

Jason
jjas@acs.bu.edu

From: post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Post)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:00:40 GMT
Subject: Important Dates in the Gun Banning Movement
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns

In order to write a letter to the editor, I need to get some data about
waiting periods.  I can get department of Justice data on violent crime
rates myself from the Uniform Crime Reports.

What I need are dates when certain well-known waiting periods went into
effect.  California would be a good example. 

I could even use dates when the most strict bans went into effect, such as
in New York City or Washington, DC.

Is there a repository for infamous dates in gun-banning?

Can anyone help me?

David Post  davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns