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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:56:03 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

> > That I agree with.  But we were talking about grammar, not stylistics.
>
> I don't think so.:)  I thought the discussion was about how learning a
> foreign language helps you to use your own language better?  And to some
> extent 'better' is a matter of manipulating style.

That's how the discussion started, I think.  But it moved to things like
recognizing direct and indirect objects in English because of having
studied Latin.  Then there were various odd (to me) statements about
"grammar."  I still think that one of the most sensible reponses so
far was Tushar's.

> P.S. to Natalie:  I am glad you are having these discussions with Chris
> et al. about language and rules, etc. and not me.  You do a much better
> job of articulating a point of view that I share with you (for the most
> part) than I could.

But I thought I was doing a *terrible* job of it!!  You are being kind.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Begin With a Smile!

Good Morning!

I just began today with a smile!  So you can understand, I must give a little
detail.  I manage a team designing Financial Aid applications.  The manager
of the Financial Aid section provides me with his requirements.  The two of
us have been working together for several years and it is a running joke
that Chuck (Fin Aid Manageer) will make ONE more last minute change in a
system, after it is supposedly finished and ready for production, despite
all assurances everything is as he wanted and complete...and there are
no more changes.  So, with that in mind, there was a piece of paper on
my chair this morning, blank side up.  When I turned it over, it was a
depiction of Mt. Rushmore, appearing completed.  At the foot of the
hill is the sculpture, holding a mallet.  Next to him is a man in a suit
pointing to the display.  My name is on the sculpture and Chuck on the other.
Chuck is saying "Can you make one teeny-weenie change? We'd like
Milard Filmore instead of Teddy Roosevelt."  Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV
              9 Apr 1992 11:26:46 EDT from <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:26:46 EDT Judith Schrier said:
>Adam, you're a wimp. Real Illuminati do them in their heads.

Real Illuminati don't even have to buy the issues.

Evelyn
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the free press
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              The Happy Spore" at Apr 10, 92 6:17 pm

>
 I think calling electronic communication the "virtual press" might not
> be a good idea.  Prodigy has used the excuse that it is an "electronic
> newspaper" as the reason why it should be allowed to censor any posting
> it doesn't like.  They say, "We're an electronic newspaper, so our
> 'editors' have the right to choose what they wish to 'print'."  I don't
> think they've ever used that excuse in a court of law, but I certainly
> wouldn't want such a definition to gain legal legitimacy.

	OK, I have to slow down a bit.  I've done so much thinking
and blathering on this subject that I forget that others haven't and
can't follow what I'm thinking.  Yes, Prodigy suffers these dilusions
of being a sort of press.  Prodigy has frequent and enormous legal
problems because they are held liable for what they don't screen out.
CompuServe recently won a case in which someone tried to sue them
for something one of the subscribers posted.  They won because they
don't pre-screen.  My personal opinion is that there is room for both
Prodigys and CompuServes; I, however, wouldn't be caught dead on a
Prodigy!
	Now, what I meant about "virtual press" is not simply chatting
back and forth across the networks.  This is more analagous to what
we do on the telephone or in USnail.  There are hundreds -- even I think
thousands -- of publications that are only produced electronically.
The vast majority of them are academic journals racing across Bitnet,
but others are newsletters (like EFFector Online), or digestified
newsgroups (like Risk's Digest), or fiction (like Quanta, InterText,
and CORE).  Since I have worked on both EFFector Online and CORE, I
can say confidently that there are *wonderful* advantages to working
this way.  I don't have to worry about printing costs or delays,
typesetting (there's only so much you can do with ascii), or postage.
Because of the cost involved, I can only afford to produce my pirnt
jounal, The Pearl, twice a year; CORE I can put out as frequently as
I have material for.

Rita
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:31:12 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      nouns

I am sorry if I said that some word was the most unbelievable noun I have
seen. I just now saw "vocabularize" somewhere.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:37:46 EST
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Genie
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> acquisition about the 13-year old girl (Genie of Temple City, CA) who was
> kept in total isolation by her parents until discovered by authorities in
> 1970.  Looks interesting so far.

Brad,
     I haven't read this article, but I think she was 13 when she was
found, in 1970, not 13 now.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:06:44 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      List Oddities
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Comments: cc: harold@uga.cc.uga.edu, jeff@utcvm.BITNET

I see that the problem with UGA's nameserver or whatever it was has
been solved -- at least for now.  Between when I logged off last night
and now, 425 pieces of new mail arrived.  (I had been reading list mail
via a combination of usenet and bitnet since my regular list mail was
not arriving yesterday.)  The point of this note is to say that among
my 425 pieces of new mail are a pile of delivery-error notices.  I
usually look at such messages and forward them to intended recipients
in some cases, especially if the bounced mail seems to be a result of
a temporary glitch on the system of a regular list participant.  I
don't think I can do that this time.  I'm going to have very little
e-mail time during the next 24 hours.  So I'm about to delete the
delivery-error messages without trying to forward bounced mail.  If
any of you think you missed mail yesterday, you can probably find what
you missed in the ftp archives.  (I say "probably" because I haven't
checked the archives this morning.  The archive address was suffering
the same fate as my address.)  If ftp is a problem for you, I can mail
you the archives.  I can also find your missing mail on usenet and
forward it to you from there, although matching the missed mail exactly
would be a problem.  Let's hope that the strange problem is now solved.
(I'm not counting on it, of course.  I was getting list mail ok this
time yesterday, and then it died again.)
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:46:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet or Internet Words-L?

Explaineth    Frank Peters <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU>

[Explanation of Internet problem at UGA deleted]

> --Fwp, boring technogeek.

     I fail to see how someone explaining why the arteries of the
lifeblood of WORDS-L are not functioning is boring.  Or must I also
accept being called a 'technogeek' for finding it interesting?

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      P.D.Q. Wagner (Was Wagner's Law)

From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

> >Wagner's Law is a good topic, but get your butt up to the front and
> >pay attention.  Adolph Heinrich Gotthilf Wagner, born March 25, 1935,
>                                                   *******************
> >died November 8, 1917.  Wagner was an economist at Berlin.  He was
> **********************
> >                          Bill Sjostrom
>
> Hey, wait a minute...is he by any chance related to P.D.Q. Bach?
> Perhaps P.D.Q. is a *long-lost* ancestor of his? (One of those
> ancestors he would have preferred to stay lost?) ;-)

     No, no, no.  Wagner is an ancestor of P.D.Q. Bach.  Where were you
sitting in class?

The Ronin
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:55:28 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: childhoods....such as they were
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              8 Apr 1992 13:02:00 MST from <TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:02:00 MST Lisa J. Gilmore said:
>
>All of the stories I've read finally culminated in me having to shut my office
>door and shed tears for everyone.  Why do these things have to happen?
>
   I sure don't know, Lisa....I believe in a loving God, not a vindictive
or punitive one....but I also know my mother never promised me life would
be fair....to me or to anyone else....

I hate the ow passe' bumper sticker "Shit Happens", but it is true...
However, I recently saw one that said "Good Happens" and that is what
I prefer to pay attention to....

dan
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From:         STU DENENBERG <DENENBSA%SNYPLAVA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd

Stu said:

>>bomber crew ---buddies who stick together and exclude "outsiders".  Not a
>>very good model for this or any lList.
>>
>>I know we all revel in being clever and smartass, but please, not to the
>>deterioration of the social fabric of the list.

..and Rita replied:
>
>        IMO, every group will develop a set of in-jokes.  The test is
>whether or not we are willing to let others in on it.  Were you made to
>feel reasonably welcome, Stu?  You seem to be adjusting to the list!
>        Up until very recently, I was on an MIT-based mailing list that
>shall remain unamed (unless you ask).  The list isn't as fun as this one,
>but it has a lot of people I know socially on it, so I was using it to
>keep in touch.  For an April Fool's joke, some Einsteins -- who happen
>to be the "core" of the list -- decided that it would be a brilliant
>hack to start a bunch of flamewars and then shut the list down on the
>1st.  They posted messages that intentionally pushed the buttons of
>certain individuals (they tried to get me on some EFF stuff and by
>insulting Nico, who is also on the list).  Anyway, this little "in-joke"
>left a very bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.  Mostly because when
>you don't know the people involved, and they're saying things they don't
>believe (read: lying), what else have you got to go on?  Anyways, I left
>the list because I felt my trust had been taken advantage of and *very*
>excluded.  I've never run into either on words-l.
>

I've been on Lists and BBS sinc ethe early 70s (Plato based at the UofI)
and I gusess this has *always been a problem.  What appears to be a gass
and or swell joke to one set of folks can seem incredibly immature to
others.

On the other hand, one of the main reasons we're all here  is to let our
"immaturaties" run free.

I can't believe no on asked the meaning of "PhDssnd"

        Stu
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:50:33 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
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>	I remember nothing else about Galmin, except somebody thought he was a
>certain recreant from Tufts.  Was the true identity of Galmin ever established?

His real name was Mark Arlen. Miscreant.

-abh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: childhoods....such as they were

>All of the stories I've read finally culminated in me having to shut my office
>door and shed tears for everyone.  Why do these things have to happen?

Whenever I find myself questioning what happened and getting mad and wishing
death and destruction, after the crisis is over I ask myself "How did those
situations help you?"

I mean, I lived on my own my senior year of high school. My folks had split up,
neither of them wanted either my younger brother or me, so we were forced to
fend for ourselves.  Jay found a really great family through the church he
attended, I chose to try it on my own (or semi on my own). I had to feed and
clothe myself and find a roof to put over my head.  Luckily, I'd already
learned to cook and do laundry.  I almost flunked out my senior year because of
all the stress, but I learned very young how to be live independently.

I can say I wish things would have been different, and I really do. But, that
whole year, and all the years with my dad, really taught me something.  It's
one reason I can hug the little boy who was me (and who sometimes still is in
the early hours) and tell him things will be okay.  He's part of me and yet
he's someone else.  I can't explain it, but it works.

Please don't cry for him. I do that enough. Hug another little boy or girl who
may need it.  There are plenty out there.

I gotta run.

Chris
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:33:58 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BWP Stats 4/8/92 *The Ronin Takes the Gold!*

> Or perhaps Natalie might finally consider switching this group
> to moderated status if only to filter out the 50 messages a day
> asking 'is the system dead or is it just me?'.

Hohohohohoho.  That has *GOT* to be a joke!  This list moderated?????
And *NOW* I'm logging off.  Bye.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:21:14 EDT
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Asterix (and Tintin
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The -ix ending that occurs in the Asterix names is characteristic
of the names of the folk of ancient Gaul. For example, in book 1 of his
commentary Julius Caesar mentions the chieftains Dumnorix and Orgetorix.
My favorite Asterix book is the one where he meets Cleopatra.
Bill "We have Asterix juice glasses at our house in Vermont that
a friend from Montreal brought.
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the free press
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Leah,

        No, no, I'm not angry at all.  I just get rather, um, *into*
the issue of free press.  One of my biggest peaves about this upcoming
election is that I've never heard *less* about the positions of the
candidates.  It was months before I knew what any of them stood for
in terms of an economic policy etc. -- the only thing the press seemed
to feel worth reporting was their standing in the polls.  And of course,
this very reporting of their standing influenced their standing.  I
have this nasty, unsettling feeling that the press is determining who
will be our next president.  Much the same way as the press started the
Spanish American war...

Rita
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:09:31 CDT
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From:         Of Course <aware%HAPPY.HACKING.ICI@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: true identity
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> In short, does anyone know the magnitude of possibilities
> opened up by a trivial amount of (yuk) "hacking" on the
> net ?  Think, think !

Of course. ;->
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Subject:      Re: words-l history

>for responses.  I didn't have the heart to do it at 2:00 am.  I wouldn't
>call it giving in, necessarily, you goose-stepper, you. :-)
>
>--Aaron

Hey, you two just better lay off each other or one of you will say something
you'll both regret and then you'll end up becoming friends.  This list can be
dangerous that way.

Then you'll have to spend money on clambakes, barbeques and leather clothing.

Yes, you just might want to end it here.

Chris
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:27:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: Pedant's Corner (was Russian speakers

Spiketh the Ronin:

: I thought it was laws that so many things uneconomic.(sic)

Put "made" before "so" and it's a not very funny one liner.

Steve Karlson

"Room at the mark!" (Dennis Conner Tuesday, Paul Cayard Thursday)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re: Bitnet or Internet WORDS-L

> thread, that the issue is whether I use the Bitnet or Internet address
> in my original subscription to Words-l.  Is this the case?

Yes, that's the main issue -- whether you are subscribed to the list
from a bitnet address or an internet address.

> if so, I think I originally used words-l@uga.bitnet, since that was the
> only address I had.  If it will decrease the leadtime before I get
> messages, I'll gladly switch to words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu!

You're subscribed from your internet address.  I just checked.  Your
system is probably configured like many systems (including ours) so
that adding the .bitnet at the end of a bitnet address sends the mail
from your internet address to a gateway and then to bitnet.  It would be
more direct, of course, to send to @uga.cc.uga.edu instead of @uga.bitnet.
But the main thing that matters for the original subscription request is
how the listserv records your address.

> I'd rather switch than fight, so should I? ...or have I misunderstood?

This is not a good time to be making comparisons of the two methods.
The UGA nameserver problem hasn't been solved yet.  My internet mail
from there is running two hours behind again.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      RE: Antiquity Roll Call

*** Resending note of 04/07/92 21:22

> Has anyone contacted Ruth the original BWP about the RI clambake?
>Since she was in Hartford she could probably come.

Ruth is actually in Greenfield, and I may have told her about the Clambake,
but when she again writes me I will remind her.

Don, not exactly an oldie, but not newbie either (been here a little over
a year)....and not a PC programmer, but IBM biggie for more years than I
can hardly remember - etymology of programming (all IBM) 402, wiring;
407 wiring; 4K 1401, machine language; 8K 1401, SPS; 1410, Autocoder;
360, Assembler; 370, Cobol D (or was if F?), 3033, 3081, 3090, COBOL.
Plus many other languages, some of which I thankfully am no longer required
to use.  I will probably rest my CASE before USF gets theirs.
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!!

>Okay, VMS'ers out there, I now have a new problem.
>
>All my commands are now being interpreted by the VAX as all-uppercase. I.E. not
   e
>my new personal_name above.  What gives?  Any hints?
>
>--Aaron

Somehow, either you or a .com file issued the command "$set term/uppercase".

So, just issue the command right back "$set term/lower" and you'll be back in
business.

Bring 'em on, folks.  I love VMS.

Chris
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