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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:56:13 CDT
From:         MBRENNEM@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Users of WAIS in libraries

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I would like to hear briefly from librarians who use WAIS, either for
their own or for patrons' information.  For what do you find it most useful?
How do you rate its performance?  How enthusiastic are your patrons about
its performance?  Can you compare it to others, such as Gopher?

Thanks to all who respond.  If anyone is interested I will share the
results.

Melissa J. Brenneman
LIS student
University of Tennessee
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:34:49 CDT
From:         "Alan Johns (803) 792-5160" <JOHNSA@CITADEL.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Hitchhiker's Guide

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Hitchhiker's Guide seems oriented towards the systems person rather than
the information person. I have found Dana Noonan's Guide to Internet/Bitnet
very helpful, as are the other documents by this author. It is available
on the Metronet.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:14:04 CDT
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Subject:      FreeNets

From: Liz.Lane@p938.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Liz Lane)
Subject: FreeNets

Is anyone aware of a list of "FreeNets" currently in place? I'm trying to
get more information on the Cleveland FreeNet, as well as any current
and planned comparable projects.

Please e-mail answers to me at either TRAV31@UMUC.BITNET or at
Liz.Lane@f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org.  I'll summarize answers for the list.

Thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:50:24 CDT
From:         George Rickerson <GEORGE@UMVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anonymous access
              14 Apr 1992 09:23:04 CDT from <OCONNORT@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu>

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:23:04 CDT Tim O'Connor said:
>
>If we offer wide-open access at library PCs or terminals, then *we* are
>the ones holding the door open.  We have a responsibility to try to
>safeguard against vandals who might see us as a passageway to mischief.
>
What does this mean for a university which is thinking of using client/server
technology as its primary means of delivering information to the information-
seekers it serves?  This technology makes "one-stop" information access a
realizable goal.  If a university wants to put public client workstations
all over campus, give away client software for its constituents to use on
their own machines, and provide a network connection for every workstation
on campus, how will the security concerns you raise be addressed?

These aren't rhetorical questions - I really need suggestions about how the
security of the network can be protected in the situation I have described.
I do not agree, however, that this is a problem that libraries or librarians
have sole responsibility for.


George Rickerson                 GEORGE@UMVMA.BITNET
Office of Library Systems        GEORGE@UMVMA.UMSYSTEM.EDU
513 Clark Hall                   (314) 882-7233
Univ. of Missouri System
Columbia, MO 65211
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:24:32 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      VT100 Terminal Emulation

2 Messages, 28 Lines
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From:         Steve Cavrak <SJC@uvmvm.uvm.edu>
Subject:      Re: VT100 Terminal Emulation
Well, your VT-100 session is capturing the VT-100 cursor positioning
codes -- it is capturing all of the characters sent to your screen.
Caputing codes is NOT the same as doing a screen dump.

In the other cases, there are no special codes, so you don't see
any.

Steve
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From:         Kate <MCCAINKW@DUVM>
Subject:      Re: VT100 Terminal Emulation
I have the same problem.  I have been told (by the computer gurus) that
even though I "think" I am a vt100 [based on what my software settings are]
I am not getting _out_ of my IBM 9121 mainframe as a vt100.  In order to
wear a vt100 "hat" I must segue sideways through our Prime with communication
software intended for the IBM and only _then_ telnet to the site that _DEMANDS_
vt100 id.

Your problem is likely local -- compounded by the inability of the OPACs of
choice _not_ to allow ID as generic "hardopy."  [I should now enter a total
disclaimer -- I believe _EVERYTHING_ my computer literate friends tell me.]

Kate McCain
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:44:29 CDT
From:         Sue Stigleman <stigle@CS.UNCA.EDU>
Subject:      Bib software (correction)

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

In my previous posting asking for feedback on two of my publications
about bibliography formatting software, I gave the wrong area code
for IAT, the publisher of the guidebook.  Here's the correct
information:

            Institute for Academic Technology
            University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
            PO Box 12017
            Research Triangle Park, NC   27709
            Phone:  (919) 560-5031
            Fax:  (919) 560-5047
            Email:  pamela.IAT@MHS.UNC.EDU

My apologies for the confusion!

Sue Stigleman
stigle@cs.unca.edu
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:43:09 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Indexing Electronic Journals

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From: Linda Langschied <LANGSCHIED@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject: Indexing of electronic journals

Recently Ian Winship, Newcastle Polytechnic Library, queried this
discussion about the possibility of e-journals being covered by
traditional abstracting and indexing services.

A precedent has recently been set by the ERIC indexing service, which
has tackled the indexing of an electronic journal,
_New_Horizons_in_Adult_Education_, which is "published" out of
Syracuse University.  The forthcoming issue of _Serials_Review_
includes a new column entitled "Electronic Journal Forum."
_New_Horizons_ is featured in this column, which includes a sidebar by
Sandra Kerka, assistant direector for database building, ERIC
Clearinghouse on Adult, Career, and Vocational Education, who discusses
the peculiarities of indexing an electronic journal.

Watch for the next issue of _Serials_Review_, and congratulations to
ERIC for taking the bull by the horns!

Linda Langschied
Alexander Library
Rutgers University
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From: MLAOD@CUVMB
Subject: Re: Indexing of electronic journals; "Ian Winship,

The MLA Bibliography does cover electronic journals that are
within its subject scope.  We began covering these publications a
few years ago.  We currently have one electronic journal listed in
the Directory of Periodicals, and have added three more in the last
few months.

Daniel Uchitelle
Director, Center for Information Services
Modern Language Association
212/614-6350
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From: guedon@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Guedon Jean-Claude)
Subject: Re: Indexing of electronic journals

> Further to recent discussion, some of us have been wondering if e-journals
> are covered by traditional abstracting and indexing journals. If not,
> should they be?

In my humble opinion, I believe they should be as this is
the only way to make them completely legitimate
(as well as unavoidable) from the perspective of a research
scholar. Our own project, Surfaces, for example, will be covered
by the MLA bibliography very shortly.

Jean-Claude Guedon
Litterature comparee
Universite de Montreal
guedon@ere.umontreal.ca
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:25:14 CDT
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Subject:      Citation for Kahin Book

2 Messages, 36 Lines
Here are the most informative responses for the Kahin citation.
Thanks to all who responded.
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Kahin. Building Information Infrastructure.
ISBN # 0-390-03083-X
McGraw-Hill, Inc. March 1992
$34.95
To order: Call Richard Levy, Primus Senior Fulfillment Specialist
at 1-800-962-9342
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I am sending this reply to the full list as well as to the writer
because the following cite should be of great general interest:

the full citation to Brian Kahin's new book (apologies to Turabian) is

_Building Information Infrastructure: Issues in the Development of the
National Research and Education Network_, ed. Brian Kahin (McGraw-Hill,
c.1992), ISBN 0-390-03083-X, McGraw Hill-Primis, pp.443, paper.

The book chapters grew out of presentations to Harvard's John F.
Kennedy School meeting in December 1990, devoted to laying policy
groundwork for NREN. Substantial contributions from various luminaries
in the networked information fields address three general areas, 1)
Information Infrastructure as a Public Initiative, 2) Visions of the
Network, and 3) The NREN and the Market. There is something of interest
here for anyone interested in NREN, libraries, information, BabyBells,
publishing both commercial and academic, and telecommunications. The
text of child-of-NREN -- the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 --
appears in the appendix. I would say that this is must reading for
anyone involved in any of the above fields.

Jack Kessler

kessler@well.sf.ca.us
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From:         jmeierho%sedofis@sed.BITNET
Subject:      Citation want for Kahin / Building Info Infrastrct

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Can someone provide a full citation for Kahin's book(?)  BUILDING THE INFORM-
ATION INFRASTRUCTURE?
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:39:42 CDT
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Network License Agreements

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On Thu, 2 Apr 1992 10:38:51 CST Public-Access Computer Systems Forum said:
>The reason for charging more for a network license is that your network
>indicates that the service is worth a great deal to you and that you
>have substantial financial resources (possibly from your savings by
>having the network!).

   Excellent point.  By flaunting our wealth with the network itself we
have let the vendors know that we aren't quite as poverty stricken as
we librarians always claim to be.  [Before the flames start, we ARE
poverty stricken, but the institutional or library network expenditures
make it appear otherwise.]

>couldone not get around the loss of multiple site installations by
>charging by the potential site: 1x for one lib on campus (or one non-science
>lib.) 2x for 2 potential sites, etc.  This would relieve the pressure on
>libraries that would only have bought the one copy anyway, since they have
>only one applicable site, while preserving the sales figures...

An interesting concept, Jennifer....but it gets back to the questions of
a couple of weeks ago....what is a "library" and how do we count or
measure them?  I used the example of Math Reviews.  We have no branch
libraries, though Math thinks they have one (the usual collection of
faculty castoff journals in a little room with a couple of Macs).  They
would LOVE to have Math Reviews on the network to that room.  Is it a
library branch?  I have no control over it.  But it is where the usage
would be.

In addition, as one who has worked in a couple ARL libraries, some of
which have ten or twenty branches, I can assure you that such a pricing
scheme would make networking impossible for the largest libraries.

dan

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* Boise State University                                                    *
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From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      New Version of Unix/VMS Hytelnet

From: fogel@jester.usask.ca (Earl Fogel)
Subject: New Version of Unix/VMS Hytelnet Software Available
A new version of the Hytelnet software for Unix and VMS systems is now
available for anonymous ftp from access.usask.ca (128.233.3.1) in the
pub/hytelnet directory.  Please see the README file in that directory
for more information.

Hytelnet is a hypertext system containing a wealth of information on
over 400 Internet-accessible library catalogs, Campus-Wide Information
Systems, Freenets and more.  The new version of the software can
automatically connect you to any of these sites.  It also supports a
wider range of terminals, and includes several bug fixes.

Using Hytelnet over the Internet:

    Telnet or rlogin to access.usask.ca (128.233.3.1) and login as
    "hytelnet" (no password required).

The Hytelnet software for Unix and VMS systems was written by Earl
Fogel, University of Saskatchewan Computing Services.  The information
in Hytelnet was compiled by Peter Scott, Small Systems Manager at the
U of S Library.  Other credits may be found in the read.me file
accompanying the distribution.

Send bug reports & other comments to fogel@sask.usask.ca.

Earl Fogel
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P.s. One note that I left out:

    The new software makes telnet connections for you, but for security
    reasons we've disabled this for off-campus users.  To take advantage
    of the telnet-out capability, you will have to install your own copy
    of the software.

Earl Fogel
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:05:26 CDT
From:         John Iliff <ILIFFJ@mail.firn.edu>
Subject:      Public Librarians?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Would public librarians who access this list please e-mail me at one of the
addresses shown below? If possible, I'll compile a directory of
respondents, and will send the results to anyone interested. Please include
your name, library name, address (e-mail and other), and telephone number.
Thanks!
(Apologies for multiple posts!)


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John Iliff                                      E-Mail
Pinellas Park Public Library             Iliffj@firnvx.firn.edu
7770 52nd St                                      *or*
Pinellas Park, FL 34665                   jiff@well.sf.ca.us
(813) 541-0719
Fax 541-0818
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:45:57 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      E-mail Address Directories

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From: billy@sol.acs.unt.edu (Billy Barron - VAX/UNIX Systems Manager)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Address Directories

Well, I see two good solutions right now.  Short-term we have Gopher which
can talk to CSO and WAIS right now.  I'm sure WhitePages, finger, etc can
be easily tied in.  I do quite a bit of searching in Gopher, but for me
it's helpful that Texas A&M and a few other schools that I need to regularly
look stuff up in are there.  The WAIS database which I have under Gopher also
called usenet-addresses gets more mileage for me than all of those you listed
above put together.

Longterm, everybody agrees X.500 is the solution.  There seems to be no doubt
as far as I can tell that X.500 is going to take over for Global Directory
Services, but vendors are slow to implement it.  If you wanna complain, talk
to the vendors of networking software.

Billy Barron
billy@unt.edu

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From: li40163@prism.gatech.edu (MARY A. AXFORD)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Addresses in Telephone Directories
        Georgia Tech's telephone directory began adding e-mail
addresses in the last year or two.  It has always been the
policy to send around a sheet asking people for their
address/phone information and asking what parts they wish
published.

Mary A. Axford
li40163@prism.gatech.edu
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From:         "RONALD NAYLOR, UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI LIBRARIES,
              RNAYLOR@UMIAMI" <RNAYLOR@UMIAMI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Library Automation--Comments & Questions

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Mary Brandt Jensen

Robert Kalal, Associate Director, Academic Computing Services, Ohio State Un
sent last Fall a six page description of their Internet/Fax Project. He can
be reached by email at 'bob_kalal@osu.edu'.

Ron Naylor
Un of Miami
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:59:54 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Bib Formatting Software

From: stigle@CS.UNCA.EDU
Subject: Bib formatting software:  feedback wanted

To:  PACS-L, MEDLIB-L, LIBREF-L, BI-L
From:  Sue Stigleman  (stigle@cs.unca.edu)

For a future project, I would like to get feedback from people
who have read either of two of my recent publications:
        Bibliography Formatting Software.  Chapel Hill, NC:  Institute
                for Academic Technology, 1990
        Bibliography Formatting Software:  A Buying Guide.  Database
                15(1):15-27, 1992.

If you have read either or both:

Why did you read them (for help in consulting with library users,
selecting a program for personal use, general professional reading,
other)?

Did you find the "8 key questions" format to be useful in narrowing
down possible programs to a more manageable number?

Are there other questions that you would add as key questions?

Was the detailed comparison of Pro-Cite, Reference Manager, and
Papyrus in the IAT publication useful or was it too much
information?  Should this be expanded to include more programs?

Have any of you shown either publication to faculty or other
library users?  Have they found them useful, or did they want
you to read them and just recommend a program?

In your opinion, who are the logical consumers of this information --
librarians?  faculty and other users?  both?

Do you have any other comments?   (Positive and negative comments are
both welcome.)

If you send replies to me, I'll post a summary if there is interest.

Thanks for any feedback you have to offer!


Sue Stigleman
stigle@cs.unca.edu
PO Box 8074
Asheville, NC  28814-8074
(704) 251-9059

P.S.  The IAT publication is available free.  To request a copy, contact:
            Institute for Academic Technology
            University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
            PO Box 12017
            Research Triangle Park, NC   27709
            Phone:  (704) 560-5031
            Fax:  (704) 560-5047
            Email:  pamela.IAT@MHS.UNC.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:04:22 CDT
From:         Mary Brandt Jensen <MJENSEN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU>
Subject:      Gateway rumors

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I live about 30 miles north of Gateway 2000's headquarters.  They don't
look like they are going out of buisness to me. They announced a huge
expansion a month or so ago and have been hiring so many new people that
the housing market in a lot of small surronding towns has gotten really
tight.  A year or so ago, they did move from Sioux City to North Sioux
City which put them in a state with no income tax, put that move along
with everything else they seem to be doing seems to indicate an intent
to stay in the business.

On the issue of getting through to the support line - We have two Gateways.
We would have more but they aren't on state contract.  We don't need to
call the support line nearly as often for these machines as many of
the other brands we have.  And when we do, we get an answer at least
as fast from Gateway as the others.  The others may answer the phone
a little faster but they rarely know the answer right off the bat and
don't get back to us very quickly.  But hopefully some of those new
people Gateway is hiring are for technical support.

Mary Brandt Jensen 			University of South Dakota
Director of the Law Library             School of Law
Associate Professor of Law		414 E. Clark St.
MJENSEN@CHARLIE.USD.EDU                 Vermillion, SD 57069-2390
(605) 677 6363                          Fax (605) 677 5417
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:07:16 CDT
From:         Ammiel Prochovnick <ajp4@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject:      Script programs

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent query on this topic.  Answers
received can be summarized as follows:
1.  A small group suggested PC-Kermit as providing a scripting facility.  One
described the script languate as "easy to write".
2.  Many responders recommended use of CUTCP, a version of TCP by Clarkson
University which includes provision for script writing and execution, unlike
other versions such as that by FTP Software that our library has adopted. The
program is available by anonymous FTP from omnigate.clarkson.edu.

-----------------------------------------
Ammiel Prochovnick
University of Chicago Library
Internet:             Ammiel@uchicago.edu
Bitnet:      Ammiel%uchicago.edu@uchimvs1
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