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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:39:12 GMT


In article <Btwq0p.Dv6@multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
> 
>Yes, KMT's Mongolia, Tibet, and  Mainland  China  has  burned  in
>those  KMT  leaders'  bugheads.  They have been claiming that for
>over 40 years. It won't be easy to ask them to  drop  the  claim,
>but  it  would be easy just move those bugheads to the place they
>claim they own for over 40 years and never step their foot on.

KMT's claim of Mainland China is just like your claim of "Taiwan has been
independent country for hundred years" in your previous message. If you 
can make such claim certainly KMT can make her own claim. Fair?

>So all the Taiwanese has to do is to move those people who  claim
>they  own  Mongolia to Mongolia, move those people who claim they
>own Tibet to tibet and move those people who claim they own Main-
>land  China  to  Mainland  China.  Then all Taiwanese can sit and
>watch KMT and CCP fight each other NOT in Taiwan.

Unfortunately your idea of moving those people around will not happen but
only satisfy your hatred.

Tom
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12310 soc.culture.korean:3828
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:55:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug23.202600.7255@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <9223618.1419@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>The subject line says it all...
>>
>>all you f***ing d*ckhead, selfish, dishonest, friend-betraying
>>Koreans...
>
>This is a good time for Koreans to understand how Japanese people feel when
>they are accused of their goverment's decision.

Mind you, with the following difference: count number of times Korean 
people went out to pillage other people to fulfil its own territorial 
ambition that has scars in living memories?   Pass me another round of 
raw garlics with thin sliced roast beef rolled in lettuce ...
From: peng@oakhill.sps.mot.com (C. Ray Peng)
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170622.8009@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
.....
>Zilch.  The United States did not intervene, fearing that that would lead to
>the downfall of Mikhail Gorbachev.  If China uses force on Taiwan, the U. S.
>might very well not interfere as well, fearing that that would lead to the
>downfall of Deng Xiao-Ping.

If Bush wins the election in November, I would think this is a very likely
scenario.  However, as Bush is on his way out, it is anybody's guess what
Clinton will react to such an event.  I guess this will depend on which
side has more clouts in D.C.  Let's see, Taiwan has lots of money ... but also
lots of stupid foreign policy makers.  China is poorer ... but really knows
how to scare/fool those US China experts ...

-peng
-- 
+===================================================================
| C Ray Peng  		                peng@oakhill.sps.mot.com
| I speak only for myself.  Motorola doesn't pay me to speak for it.
+===================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:43:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.141118.9571@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
=When I have lived in MiauLi (military service) for two years, and noticed
=that the local people (Ke4Jia or Hakka) hate Min3Nan2 people just like
                                         ^^^^
=TIers hate CCP.  The independence of Taiwan may further divide people live
=in this island, and cause bloodshed just like Yugoslavia.  So, here is the
=deal.  Divide Taiwan into four contries (at least).  One for Min3Nan2
=people, one for Ke4Jia people, one for Mainlander, another one for the
=mountain tribes.  Of course, you know there are more than nine tribes.  I
=am not sure their want establish a unified contry or different contries. 
=Anyway they hate all kind of Chinese (include TIers), and their should have
=a right to vote.  Well, Min3Nan2 people also have two kinds (Quang2Zhou and
=Zhang1Zhou).  If Min3Nan2 people want to build two contries, that is O.K. 
=Is it fun?  Every body could be a President, and every body will be
=happy.


Hate is such a strong word.  Does people in  the  Bay  area  hate
people  in  the  Southern  Cal?  Does people in the New York hate
people in the deep  South?   Maybe  they  have  disagreement  and
difference, but 'hate' ...

Maybe HaGa and HoLo people Hate WSR, because those KMT WSRs  came
and enslave Taiwanese. they have every reasons to hate them.

As to HoLo and HaGa, basically they speak differently and live in
different life styles. They are just different.

Half of my family are HaGa people and Half   are   HoLo   people.
Hate   certainly   can  not make them a family. I don't  know how
you get the impression of 'hate'. Or are you mak- ing it up?
From: 790887@IMNV110 (Ji-Shang Su)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: a test,please ignore it
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: IMNV110.790887.6
Organization: Department of Information Management

sorry it's merely a test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: "Ping1Ying1" --> "Pin1Yin1"
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.112214.3649@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20Th130549a.danj1@ihspa.att.com>, danj1@ihspa.att.com (~{;}5$Da~}) writes:
>
>
>	** I really don't see ANY difference between yours and mine.
>	   (is any difference between "in" and "ing"?)
>
>	   Of course
Southern Chinese usually cannot distingrish "in" and "ing". I mean those
Chinese living south of about 33 degree of latitute. It is an interesting
phenomenon. Maybe you were born in Florida.

Huachen Pan
Teknillinen Korkeakoulu, Finland
-------------------
the account i am using is not necessarily mine
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:55:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug22.195757.15607@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>
>Up to now, Taiwan is still a geographic name but not a country.
>
Oh yeh?  That is not what I have observed from many Atlas published
throughout the world.

>Germany is unified now.  For what reason did make it?  Economic or political
>necessity?  How many countries in the world did admit USSR before her crash?
>Republic of China is the first republic in Asia.  People's Republic of China
>is the first Communist country in Asia.  What will China be?


I do not care about either Germany or China.  Talk about them is SCG or
SCC.  We may agree whether Republic of Democratic Taiwan or Republic of
Taiwan is the first republic in Asia.  I am not sure that USSR was
entirely non-Asian, but I am more interested about the leninist
structure of Taiwan's KMT than other Leninist societies.

TY Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Don't ride MARTA (Atlanta)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.194121.1780@eecs.nwu.edu> jeffho@eecs.nwu.edu (Chuen-Hsuen Jeff Ho) writes:
>Is it true that "Japanese tourists and students are allowed to enter USA 
>without any VISA and travel document" ?  Teach me. 

No.  Some places just don't take American Express.

Visa.  It's anywhere you want to be.

Sorry, can't resist. :-)
From: hal.cohen%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Hal Cohen) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: TAIWAN DA XUE
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: hal.cohen%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Hal Cohen) 

Are there any students of Taiwan National University out there?  I spent
some time there and would love to hear how things are going.
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The foreign minister of prc said:Re to George He
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.003825.6931@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <BtxAnI.7xK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ACHEN@ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>The tiny island of Taiwan cannot survive economically without a
>>market who will buy its products.  All export oriented economies
>>are doomed to failure without a bigger country such as the USA
>>which can buy their products.  It is foolish to try to advocate
>>an independent Taiwan.  An independent Taiwan could survive economically
>>only if America has enough money to buy its products.  If 
>>America collapses then so goes the independent Taiwan. 
>>
>>So it is better to make friends with your brothers in the
>>mainland, rather than calling them nasty names.  The next 
>>century belongs to Asia and the Pacific Rim countries.  America
>>is already past its prime.  In the future it is China, not
>>America who will be Taiwan's biggest trade partner.  Remember,
>>the Chinese are not our enemy.  The white man is the true
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>enemy of all Chinese.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What? Do you remember the history of 17th centry to 19th centry?
It was China who shut the door to Europeans so the wave of industrial
revolution didn't reach China in time to save the Chinese from suffering
always-defeated wars.  Wake up! Hatred towards white people won't do
any good to the Chinese people. Catch up with them on science and democrocy
and don't lose the moral value in the Chinese culture. That is the way to
be superior in the future.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He)
Subject: Re: 18 Biou (1)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Bribery
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:30:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.181356.15032@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>  For people who wanna know somethinfg about 18 "Biou", here is some
>feelings of ordinary people in TW on this case.   From my friend's (who is in 
>TW) letter received yesterday, Jan(3), yo(4)-hsing(1), minister of the 
>Transporation Department, is alleged taking bribery from lots of construction
>company in TW, such as "Pai(3) Er(4) Kao(1)" (the second highway, section of
>north TW), and "TPE trasnsmit system" (source from the front page of 8/19 China
>Times Daily)
>
>  There was a TV press conference for Jan on 8/18.  According to my friend's
>description, Jan's "lousy mouth and face show his guilt" (sorry, too 
>subjective, but...)  Besides, Jan showed that nobody could get any evidence for
>the bribery and proud of it.  So TW CIA swaered to get evidence and kick Jan
>out of his present position.
>
>  Anyone who has more details please post them for us, thanks!
>
>--

Please also  supply the development of the case.
For those who (like me) even don't know where does the name "18 biou" come
from, it's hard to understand the comments.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:43:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.024903.1367@nuscc.nus.sg>, elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C.
Liang) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug28.141118.9571@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
> >When I have lived in MiauLi (military service) for two years, and noticed
> >that the local people (Ke4Jia or Hakka) hate Min3Nan2 people just like
> >TIers hate CCP.  The independence of Taiwan may further divide people live
> >in this island, and cause bloodshed just like Yugoslavia.  So, here is the
> >deal.  Divide Taiwan into four contries (at least).  ..................
> 
> To be independant, there are several levels.  Whoever called themselves
> Ke4Jia or Hakka are independant from whoever called Min3Nan2.  Because
> the second group has no whatsoever control on the first group.  Either
> finacially or politically.  There is no strong tension among them and
> there is no threat or taking-over among them.  All these groups are
> under the same government.  They have equal opportunity to get jobs,
> education and whatsoever.  There is no need to have their own
> government.  People do so, only if they are extremely unhappy with the
> current govenment and they cannot turn it over, as a consequence, they
> seek for independance.  
> 

Maybe you are a Min3Nan2.  I don't know if you know the story of
Yi4Min2Miau4 and Yi4Min2Yie2 - the sad story of Ke4Jia.  Who killed these
Yi4Min2Yie2??  When I was in MiaLi, some Ke4Jia told me they can tolerate
their daughter marry a mainlander, but they will not allow their daughter
marry a Min3Nan2.  What do you think that means?  As a officer, I have
handled a case that a group of Min3Nan2 soldiers fight against a group of
Ke4Jia.  Tell me why?  I agree there is a small percentage of intermarriage
between Min3Nan2 and Ke4Jia.  This is the same situation like Serbs,
Croates and Muslins in Yugoslavia. "All these groups are
under the same government.  They have equal opportunity to get jobs,
education and whatsoever.  There is no need to have their own government." 
Once they declared independence, tell me what happened?  Brothers fight
against their brothers, fathers fight against their sons, friends fight
against their friends.
Who can guarantee this tragedy will not happen in Taiwan, if Taiwan
declares independence.  A profesor who considers himself as a Yugoslavian,
not a Serb, not a Croate, not a Muslin, said "before independence we think
this tragedy should happen only in Lebennon."  Yes, my friend, walk out the
ivory tower, and face the reality.  I think both of us love Taiwan - the
land and its people, isn't it?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: anw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: "Ping1Ying1" --> "Pin1Yin1"
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:09:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.161726.20503@nntp.hut.fi> ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong) writes:
>
>Southern Chinese usually cannot distingrish "in" and "ing". I mean those
>Chinese living south of about 33 degree of latitute. It is an interesting
>phenomenon. Maybe you were born in Florida.
>

I disagree. If one can't distinguish between those two, on can't speak
Cantonese. Most Southern Chinese has to be able to tell the difference.

NGOK
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Anitesh Barua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: a Korean view on recent diplomatic development.
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:47:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I have been a read-only netter of soc.culture.taiwan for a long time and have been very interested in debates about TI/IT since I have thought political development will be very critical factors in economy and as a Korean, Taiwan is one major competitor of Korea.  Recently, there have been lots of posting regarding diplomatic issue between two countries. Some of them are very informative and, of cause, some of them are very disgusting.  That's why I cann't help posting my "PERSONAL" opinion.  							
As a Korean, I want to defend the Korean position regarding this matter. 
I visted taipei in 1989 as a businessman. The most striking fact which I found was that Taiwan ecoomy truely was taking advantage of cheap labor from mainland china. We, koreans, have taken an example of taiwan whenever we want to critize korean economic polices which are believed to be too favorable to BIG companies. This comparison seems almost admiration toward taiwanese economy because its economy has been and is considered to base on more flexible small/midum sized companies. However, what I obs

Many friends from Taiwan accused korean government not to give much proparation time for taiwan government. For me, this accusation also seems groundless. Even in 1989, I saw strong anti-Korean sentiment in Taiwan.  When korean basketball team had competition there, some taiwanese even threw trash on them. If my memory serves correctly, Korean government has shown its good will or anxiety to shift its diplomatic tie toward PRC for almost decade. So taiwanse gaovenment and press have been very nervous

Still I don't think that china is or will be "huge" potential market. I rather consider it "huge cheapest labor reservior".  In addition, many procedual "problems" which you, taiwan people, have pointed out seems not the source of problem. Let's assume that Korean government had given the notice to taiwan in for advance and has sent 'envoy" for that, then wouldn't you be hurt? I don't think.
The true origin of trouble is that KMT or even PRC government insist 'One-china' policy and the worse thing is that two government even collude for this policy. I don't think that KMT can change this policy either, on the contray to IT/TIers' desire.  

I turely hope that we, koreans and ROC people can get along with again. However, my point is that we don't think we deserve such unrefrained accusations and nasty words.  The clear fact is that even my hope can come true only from development of relationship or politics between chinese not from Koreans. 

This is basically a defending view from a korean, welcome any informative argument.   BTW, I am using my advisor's account.  If you want to send any personal email, please use BYUNGTAE@UTXVM or post it in this group or in soc.culture,korean.  God bless all hardworking people who really want to be free from all imperialistic powers.       BYUNGTAE LEE.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:06:54 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug23.164350.6241@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>Let's go back to your orignal attack on Taiwan nationalism.  What is
>your problem with it?

My basic point is that if overseas Taiwanese wish to instill in their
children, a regard for the homeland, that homeland can't consistently
be Taiwan, it has to be big China.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.183157.27115@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
>>Recognizing PRC is one thing, but at the expense of a long-time
>>friendship is another.
>>
> 
>Korean didn't have choice, it's KMT who makes many ROC's
>long-time friends to betray us. Since almost every country has agreed 
>and accepted that PRC represnets China, why would KMT still stubbornly 
>insist they are China. If Taiwan can claim its independence, I believe 
>Korean will be more than happy to recognize both PRC and Taiwan.
------------------------------------------------------------------
>But, if Taiwan dare to compete with PRC in the representation of China,
>the loser is obvious.
> 
>Yi-Chieh

Are you a kerean? If not, please not pretend to be.
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: No tie and collar out of coat look
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:46:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>  Personally, I never like whatever those dickheads in S. Korea gov't
>  do. Have you seen Roh wearing a suit without tie and collar out of 
>  coat on Korean T.V news? What is he trying to prove, stupid idiot
>  dont' know how to wear suit? 

Apparantly you weren't in Korea during the 70's when Park was
around... :-) . That totally unfashionable way of wearing a suit
with no neckties was popularized by Park Chung-hee back then.

Park must have thought neckties were wimpy or too bourgoise, and
wearing suits that way looked kind of 'roll-up-the-sleeves-and-hard-
working'. I think they actually MADE govt. officials wear suits like 
that for a while. Those were crazy times whenever I think about it.

-Han Kim
From: eaeu154@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeremy Ho)
Subject: Re: Taipei has terminated the diplomatic relationships between ROC and S. Korea.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.063652.12801@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>They say that following up on your own post is a sign of insecurity. :-)
>
>In article <1992Aug23.063426.12640@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>2.	All Korean Airline flights would become unwelcome in Taiwanese
>>	airspace (save in cases of emergency, I suppose, as per international
>>	protocol).  China Airlines and Chang Ron (sp) would terminate their
>>	flights to Korea by the 16th of September, when Korean Airlines
>>	flights would also be terminated.
>
>I just remembered that if the airline uses the same English name as its parent
>(shipping) company, then the airline should be called Evergreen.
Hi:
If you are talking about "Chang Ron" airline, then you are wrong again. 
It's EVA Air.

But it's trivial to this entire matter. 

But personally, I think the banning of Korean airline's presence in Taiwan's
air space is a pretty effective way of telling South Korea that we are not too 
happy about her decision.

Roger Y. Wu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: Look ! Stupid Taiwanese !!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:34:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.235640.58498@cc.usu.edu> slzw0@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>Dear Taiwanese Fighter Plain Pilots:
>
>We Korean Airlies have loaded air to air missle to shut down ROC fighter
>plains around ROC cost.  GO AHEAD KIDS !  WE WILL MAKE OUR DAY !!  Our next
>mission is blow up the tiny island that is attached at the end of PRC tail.
>
>Korean Airlines Pilots
>(This is not for just entertainment)
>
> C.S. Park
>

Actually, even with air-to-air missle, the planes are far too slow to
catch any fighter planes.  Also, the airlines itself did not do well
economically, I would doubt that they will have any budget to spend on
this.  However, I would believe that, if you are really serious, you are
able to write a letter to the Air Force Department of South Korea
to describe the serious situation and seek for any possible protection.
Or, another suggestion is that, why not change the name of the airlines
to be "Korean Air Force Airlines".  That definitely can scare some guys.

Oh! By the way, may I send in a feedback to the Korean Airlines.  The
service really makes people nervous.  For a three hours flight, we only
had chance to see the stewardess for half-an-hour, which is the meal
time.  Other than that, complete silence.  The cabin does not provide
enough lighting which looks quite dim.
 

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