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From: psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Olympic Results
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:46:16 GMT
Organization: Flinders University
Originator: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au


USA d Japan 15-8 11-15 10-15 17-16 16-14

Japan protested at the result claiming an American player should
have been sent off for yelling at a linesman when Japan were
serving at 14-13 on match point. (Don't know whether it was 4th
or 5th set.)

Cuba d Holland 15-12 17-15 6-15 15-10

Unified Team d Algeria 15-8 15-7 15-4

Cheers, Geoff.
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From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:32:47 GMT

Rob Pelar writes:
> 	.  He should have given Samuelson an expulsion (red-yellow,
> 	same hand) instead.  This eliminates the source of the
> 	problem (Samuelson clearly deserved both sanctions) and
> 	saves Samedov face "because there is no point involved".
> 
> Rob Peglar
> USA National Referee
> 
Rob,
    Are you saying that giving Samuelson a red-yellow card (expulsion) would
not have also required awarding a point to Japan thus giving them the match?
I was under the impression that the up-ref could have given a team yellow card
and that was the only way to avoid giving a point to Japan.
Please elaborate on your comment.
Thanks,
       Alex Lee
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From: lccha@nb.rockwell.com (Lloyd C. Cha)
Subject: Looking for volleyball in Austin, TX
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:24:04 GMT


I have a friend who will be attending UT Austin in the fall.  Does anyone
out there know of any volleyball leagues (either womens or co-ed) or
open gyms in the Austin area?

Please reply by e-mail to lccha@nb.rockwell.com
Thanks in advance
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From: tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi)
Subject: Re: USA vs Spain Results???
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:23:21 GMT

rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:
> 
> Too bad NBC only shows 2-1/2 games or so of the 5 game matches.  If I had
> cable, I'd get triple cast, as they've cut the price in half (I might have
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Where did you hear this? 

Tomoo
From: tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA/ Cuba vs. Holland 
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:26:40 EDT


    (stuff deleted)

> Although i have seen some very bad calls this olympics, players also 
> behave badly. If you have seen Cuba - Holland you know what i mean. 
> The Cuba players  gave the world a course 'how to shout to the referee
> constantly and get award for it by getting a lot of dubious points'.
> It is a good thing 'we' will beat them in final.
                     ^^^^
Have you some connection with the ITALIAN team ?


> (sorry USA team but i don't think you make it this time)
> 
> 
> Lots of fun with the rest of the games.
> 
> Michel
>  

Stefano

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From: jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:59:06 GMT


She did look pretty sick and the long rallies seemed to take their
toll.  Zetterlund did a good job, certainly enough to win the fifth
game.  Teee Sanders basically went into the tank in that game, they
probably should haved subbed Tara Cross in earlier.  It's really a
tough decision when you're up (8-4 at one point) and your left-side
hitter decides to find the blockers with consistency :-(.

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From: plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne)
Newsgroups: aus.tv,rec.sport.volleyball,aus.sport
Subject: TV Coverage of Olympics volley-ball in Oz?
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:34:27 GMT
Followup-To: aus.tv

Reading the official TV program for the coverage of the Olympics
by Channel 7 in Australia, I see volley-ball mentioned twice
only, for the gold medal games. I can't believe that with more
than 60 games being played (men and women), this is all that we
are going to get!! That's when they show you hours upon hours of
boxing!! Don't they know how many people play VB in Oz (a lot)
and would provide the audience?
I seem to remember that the coverage of the Seoul competition
was much better than that, with at least some of the preliminary 
rounds matches shown. What's happened?
If anybody has any information relating to this, please post or
e-mail me.
Thanks.
From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Breakfast
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:08:42 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul18.185428.3849@wuecl.wustl.edu>, van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K.
Vo) writes:
>  
>   [stuff deleted]
>
>energy.  And don't forget to drink all day.  I used to go through 1.5
>gallons of Gatorade per tournament.  For breakfast, I would say it
>doesn't matter, but try to keep it light, especially if you play the
>first game.
>


Although drinking is a very good idea, I don't know about drinking that much
Gatorade (or any of those type of drinks).  I've heard that drinking too much
Gator-juice will give you, errrr, the runs.  I try to have a mixture of water
and the crocodile stuff at a tournement.
From: RIBEIRO@bscf.uga.edu (BERGMANN RIBEIRO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: what about the other teams?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:58:12 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, USA
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Hi guys, Is anyone out there interested in the other teams playing in the 
olympics? I just see US news here. I would like to know who are the favorites
to win the gold medal and the results of other games so far. So please anyone?

Thank you (GO BRAZIL! GO!)
From: ugoni@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: US Mens Team
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:59:12 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Can anyone give me a list of the USA's mens team. Obviously Karch isn't
playing, what is the reason for this?

Antony

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From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Specular Reflection (Was Re: Shaved Heads)
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:12:01 GMT

dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman) writes:
>Was it just me, or did anyone else have trouble following the players
>in the US-Canada match.  Now that they've shaved their heads, I can't
>tell them apart until I see their jerseys.  And with the camera angle
>used by NBC (mentioned earlier), you usually can't even see that.  I
>wonder if that has anything to do with Stork's setting?  Maybe he can't
>tell who's in the front row with him anymore.

I find that I can still recognize the players, mostly from their faces
but occasionally from the shapes of their skulls in profile (I am not
kidding), and sometimes even from the way they jump and swing.  Man,
they look weird.  :-) :-)  Maybe they're slightly more aerodynamic now.
(Maybe the increased rate of heat loss from their heads will serve to
cool them off a bit, and they can start playing decently.)

BTW, members of the men's team, including big bad Bob, were in
attendance at the women's match with Japan shown earlier today, and
Kilgour (I think) made a comment that cracked me up: "I could tell [that
the men were here] because of the amount of glare coming from one side
of the gym."  :-)

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu


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From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Subject: USA shaved...
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:38:19 GMT

Yes, the entire USA team shaved their heads in a display of support
for Samuelson.  It was very confusing watching them play against
Canada.  A lot of times, couldn't even tell which player shanked the
pass ;-)

*swfc

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From: ethchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edwin T. Chen)
Subject: Re: Shaved Heads
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:27:46 GMT

In article <dave.712420650@isye.gatech.edu> dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman) writes:
>Was it just me, or did anyone else have trouble following the players
>in the US-Canada match.  Now that they've shaved their heads, I can't
>tell them apart until I see their jerseys.  And with the camera angle
>used by NBC (mentioned earlier), you usually can't even see that.  I
>wonder if that has anything to do with Stork's setting?  Maybe he can't
>tell who's in the front row with him anymore.
>
>-dave

Yeah, I had the same problems.  I wonder if all of the players are
having difficulties distinguishing one from the other.  They should
paint their numbers on the back of their heads.  That might help!  =)

Ed
.


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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Say...
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:39:55 GMT

   For you people with the Triple Cast thing. Do they ever show the
warmups before the matches? Like, the hitting lines for instance? I
think that is awesome. I like the matches, but I also like watching
hitting lines. Just imagine how Timmons or Ivie can hit with a tight set
on an open net. I'd like to see that just because of the power.


                                           - Drummer -
From: bmq@bambam.uucp (Brian Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Play Ball
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:26:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: ESL, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <Nerak-220792083503@kinetics.slac.stanford.edu> Nerak@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Karen H) writes:
>I am new on the net, and thought it just may be a good place to find out
>where there is some volleyball going on.  I am interested in finding places
>where people play a pretty good level of ball.  I am especially interested
>in reverse co-ed.  I havent played in a while, an would like to get back
>into it (I played in college at U.C. Davis).  Anyway, any informaiton on
>free play nights, ect would be appreciated (only in the south bay area, San
>Jose, Mt. View, etc).  Thanks in advance.

Wilcox HS has an open gym on Friday nights. Sign-up starts at 6:30pm.
They only allow 54 people in the gym as a general rule so you want to be
there early for sign-up.  Cost is $3 at the door.

The level of play varies.  The nights that I have played there were teams
ranging in skill from mid-B to low-A level.  

If you are looking for a higher level of play, you can call one of the
local Volleyball stores like Sundown Sports, JW Sports, or Just Volleyball,
and they should be able to tell you where open gyms are.
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Sorbothane Ultrasoles
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:30:01 GMT

   I have some of those but I don't like them. I have normal heel
inserts from them though. The whole sole inserts were really slick and I
thought they didn't fit the shoes very well. Gotta get some kind of
insert though. Thorlo socks are great, but expensive and the padding
wears out rather quick.


                                            - Drummer -



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From: davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder)
Subject: Re: USA vs. Japan
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:35:33 GMT

	I watched the replay of the triple cast last night.  At what point
did Sammuelson receive his second yellow card?  I heard he received the second
yellow, but did not see it happen.  I saw Sammuelson receive two yellow cards
in the match but not two in any one game.  So the next question is are yellow
cards cumulative in international matches?  

		Thanks in advance, 
				Dave 
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From: oski@d31mf0.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan)
Subject: What I think Fred-bo (Sturm, the USA coach) should do
Originator: oski@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:39:44 GMT

The poster who said Japan outplayed USA is absolutely right.  The US may have
a superior team but Japan took it to them.  USA passing stunk.

Fred Sturm converted Scott Fortune from a middle blocker to passer/hitter
after Fortune returned to Stanford from Seoul.  I think it is time to
switch Fortune back into the middle to replace Ivie and bring in someone
else to pass.  This may mean a trial-by-fire for Nick Becker but, so be
it.  Fortune is an excellent middle blocker and can hit from anywhere on
the court, including the backrow.  In addition, I think he is familiar
enough with international offenses to coordinate the block effectively.
Samuelson is a fine athlete but a loose cannon who plays with sometimes
excessive emotion.  Team USA needs to regroup, stay focussed, and
coordinate its block better.  I could not understand why they were
playing a perimeter defense when the blockers weren't touching too many
balls.  Most of Japan's kills seemed to be bullets into short seam or
sharp crosscourt.  Bring the middle back in two steps and many of those
balls get touched instead of crashing uncontested.

I also found it very ironic that it was a Brazilian ref who yellow
carded Samuelson.  His countrymen have to be amongst the worst, if not
the worst, trash-talkers in volleyball.  And there is no love lost
between USA and Brazil.

Uh-oh, time to take my medication.


					--- Ravi Narasimhan
					    oski@clockwise.att.com
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: USA shaved...
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:41:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <Bs3snw.Hsv@cs.columbia.edu> swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) writes:
>Yes, the entire USA team shaved their heads in a display of support
>for Samuelson.  It was very confusing watching them play against
>Canada.  A lot of times, couldn't even tell which player shanked the
>pass ;-)

   
   If there was a shanked pass, you know what to do, right? Of course
you do... You blame Fortune! Chances are he shanked it. Anyway, the bald
head thing must look great! Timmons with no hair. Yes!


                                            - Drummer -




   Cool! Shaved heads? Cool! I like it!
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From: sideout@NeoSoft.com (Edwin Kelly)
Subject: Out of Bounds
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:48:56 GMT
Keywords: Off the Court


  This is what I meant by my last post of "Under the net and Out of
Bounds"...
 
    Following is the court:
 
 -------------------------------------------
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          | 2
- - - - - - - - N E T - - - - - - - - - - -
|                                    1     |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
|                                          |
 ------------------------------------------
 
    What happened was:
    The person hit the ball at position 1 and then proceeded to position
2 without setting foot on our court.  Was it in violation or not?
 
    If any further explanation is required...I will be reading...
 
    Edwin
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From: tlennan@peterpan.sdd.trw.com (Tim Lennan)
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA (spoiler, ruling)
Reply-To: tlennan@peterpan.sdd.trw.com
Organization: TRW SDD
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:23:41 GMT

In article <3249@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, julier@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Julie Richardson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.202251.28645@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi) writes:
> > Hope they can get their act together.  Anyone
> > hear an update on Ivie's condition?  It's rather ironic that Ivie's
> > replacement, Samuelson, was the deciding factor in the match.  
> 
> > Aside from his two yellow cards, 
> 
> His yellow cards lost them the game -- You can't make up for that!!

His yellow cards cost them one point.  There were 44 other points in the match
which were just as important.  I think that people tend to focus too much on
single moments in a match as THE deciding factor.

> 
> > I thought he played a good game with some
> > great kills and digs.
> > 
> > Tomoo
> 
> The following is my personal opinion.  I thought Samuelson's attitude
> SUCKED!!  
> 
> He acted like a spoiled brat.  The others on the USA team were not
> throwing tantrums.
> 
> I know that I do not like to play with people who act like that --
> when they are on my team or the other.  Its rude!!

One person's "spoiled brat" is another person's "intense competitor".  I don't
like playing with people who get extremely intense either; but some of the
people I've played with say that they love it because they soak up some of
that emotion and it picks up their game a notch.  

I think that every team needs an emotional "spark plug" to keep the intensity 
level high.  Bob Samuelson can fill that role for the USA but went a bit
overboard against Japan.

> 
> Thank you for your time.
Ditto
> 
> Julie 
> Redmond OR

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From: liu@cerl.uiuc.edu (Albert Liu)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Women-RESULTS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:55:58 GMT

My guess is that Yoko Zetterlund (whatever) was used because Endicott
was ill.  The commentators said that she threw up half a dozen times
the night before and once the day of the match.

In article <1992Jul29.160609.14012@uwm.edu> toni@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Toni Vick) writes:
>How about some support/interest in the womens matches...
>  In one match today, Japan defeated USA in another tense 5-gamer, 3-2. The
>US mens team were seen in the audience watching.
>  For the US, IMHO, Weishoff was outstanding, Kemner not so. Teee Sanders had
>some great moments, but then she'd go into a "funk" also. Way too many
>hitting errors for the US. Yoko Zetterlund (sp?) was used extensively at
>the setting position -- was Endicott ill or just ineffective or was the
>coach searching for a "spark" or what?
>  The Japanese (both men and women) play with such great consistency and
>control. This allows them to stay in matches and not make errors no matter
>what the score.
>


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From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Organization: Bellcore
	<1992Jul19.152853.24623@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> <4977@transfer.stratus.com>
	<1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Jul22.153340.8169@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:06:37

In article <1992Jul22.153340.8169@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner) writes:
   In article <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
   wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:

   > I think, however, that either this rule is not strictly enforced, or
   > FIVB uses a slightly different interpretation.  In one of the recent WVL
   > playoff matches (2nd USA-Holland match, I think), Eric Sato took a
   > flying leap over his own bench to save an errant dig, taking off from
   > inside the court, playing the ball *in the air*, and landing in the open
   > area behind the bench seats.  Technically, by USVBA Com 1.9, this is a
   > violation, since Sato didn't have a foot on the floor when he played the
   > ball.  Maybe FIVB requires only that the player *take off* from a
   > playable area.

   I would hope that taking off inside the court and playing the ball in
   the air is legal. Spiking's hard enough as it is.

As Eric correctly pointed out, it's where you land that determines whether
your foot had to be in contact with the floor when you contacted the ball,
not where you took off (under USVBA rules).  As is emphasized in the
rulebook, this is for safety reasons.

   Unless it's explicitly mentioned, where you go "out-of-bounds" after
   you've made contact with the ball is irrelevent.

This is incorrect.  There are four areas
that are always non-playable (spectator seating areas, team benches and
behind team benches, match administration areas and behind, and
the area between the scorekeeper's table and the team benches).
It is completely up to the discretion of the first referee as to whether
additional areas are non-playable - these additional areas do not need
to be explicitly mentioned (although it would be civilized if the referee
chose to make them explicit).  

   It was a point of
   pride on my college team to be able to say you cleared the bench
   (either in the air or by taking out all the chairs/scrubs/coaches) on a
   defensive play.

Funny, we used to take pride in accurately passed spike returns, ace serves,
and such like.  To each their own (:-).

   On the other hand, I have played USVBA tournaments where they
   explicitly said "going into the adjacent court at any time is a fault".

This has nothing to do with playable areas, this is just Rule 9, Article 6:
"Contacting the opponent's playing area with any part of the body except
the feet is a fault.  Touching the opponent's playing area with a foot
is not a fault providing that some part of the encroaching foot or feet
remain on or above the center line."

Cheers,

Geoff
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