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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: misconceptions regarding hybrid vigor
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:24:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms) writes:
>In article <C125GB.1zE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
>(neptune) writes:
>>When I was younger, out of curiousity, I did not follow the advice
>>on the hybrid corn seed labels.  I planted some hybrid corn one year
>>and then I saved some of the seed produced by these hybrid corn and
>>planted them again the next year.  Guess what?  None of the second
>>generation corn displayed any of the "vigor" its hybrid parents had.
>>Not only were they short, stubby, and just generally ugly to look
>>at,

>The use of the term `ugly' here again is not nice, as it implies disparagement
>of the children of different races.

I am considered fairly good looking (I am Chinese/Anglo).  My wife is
considered quite pretty (Chinese/Burmese/Anglo).  I also have a
strong body, a strong immune system and a genius level IQ.  However, I
am only 5'8".

Our son is only a year old but people stop us in the street and
comment on how good looking he is.  He is strong, tall and bright.

For convenience, I will refer to people of multiple ethnic ancestry
as hybrids.  Please do not flame be for my choice of terminology.  It
is just for convenience.

From my wife's observations in Burma, she has come to believe firmly
that hybrid people are smarter and better looking than "ethnically pure"
people.  However, I do not recommend consciously seeking mates of other
ethnic groups.  It has been MY experience and of MANY (NOT ALL) 
other hybrids I know that mixed marriages
tend to produce children who have trouble identifying with any culture.
Culturally, we consider ourselves OTHER.  We tend not to identify with
the cultures of either of our parents.  I AM NOT saying this is always
the case.  I am saying that this TENDS to happen.  In my opinion, having
an ethnic identity is a positive thing.  Sometimes my sister and I wish we
had one.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: wangj@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jie Wang )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Children's Day
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:30:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan23.062658.27214@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.192957.29627@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu
>
>It is important to note that there is _no_ such day in the People's Republic of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>China and that if there is such a day on Taiwan (which is part of the
^^^^^^
>People's Republic of China), then the establishment of that day is a

Next time you'd better check out the facts first, Mr. Joe.
In PRC, June 1 has been children's day since 1950s.





--J.Wang



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<MfMYDU_00iV3A5a6I_@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1k49h5INN3dq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:57:16 GMT

    [It's hard to figure out if the attributions are right on the version
     I read, but in the context of arguing about MLK's birthday, 
     *someone* said:]

   Jefferson was a racist slave rapist;

I'd like a little elaboration and/or documentation of this claim.

There's no doubt that Jefferson owned slaves.  There's also no doubt
that he was racist, in the sense that he believed that whites and
blacks were fundamentally different and would not be able to work
together.  

However, what I've been reading lately suggests that Jefferson's
"slave mistress" is simply a myth.

As far as racism and slavery: It's clear from reading Jefferson's own
writing that he was strongly opposed to slavery.  One of the first
bills that he introduced as a young Virginia legislators would have
made it legal for a slaveowner to free slaves (the bill lost).  Early
drafts of the Declaration of Independence contain very strong language
condemning slavery and blaming the British monarchy for its creation
and maintenance; those sections were removed at the insistence of
representatives of slaveholding states.  He believed (correctly) that
the U.S. would not be able to continue as a nation divided by the
issue of slavery, but he was unable to solve the problem in his time.
His idea that slaves should be freed and sent back to Africa seems
ugly today, but at the time it was about as liberal an opinion as any
white man held, especially one born on a Virginia plantation.

Reading Jefferson's writing, I was struck by how modern he was in
certain respects -- he insisted that his daughter should be educated
well, and he worried that she would inevitably have to marry someone
who would be, well, stooopid by her standards.  In an era when
daughters were primarily supposed to be beautiful and well-mannered so
they could marry wealth and have lots of children, this is rather
refreshing.  

In short, as an admirer of Jefferson and someone casually acquainted
with his life and writings, I would like to get some more information
to support the claim that he was "a racist slave rapist".  

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Michael Crichton
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:20:39 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: m.mscs.mu.edu

In article <IfLfllW00iUyQ1S5MR@andrew.cmu.edu> Rikiya Asano
<ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Mr. John Simms ...
>
>>Did you know that the word `honky' is in many dictionaries?
>
> The word "honky"
>is not in the dictionary(in terms of being a racial slur).

Try "Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary," Merriam-Webster, 1983.  This
is perhaps the most popular collegiate dictionary in the country.  If not,
it's certainly one of the most popular, so your library will probably have
it.  I don't have the 9th ed. at hand, but I do have the 8th:

honkie or honky also honkey [origin unknown]: a white man - usu. used
disparagingly.

>The Origin of Honky. ...

Sounds like folk etymology to me, but so what?
From: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Great Caucasian Blunder Pt. I
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:29:31 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk
Originator: rap@peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <MDAY.93Jan26004534@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>, by mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day):
> [...]
> Ethnically, the Vietnamese seem to be unrelated to the Chinese except
> insofar as there have been numerous intermarriages over the millenia.
> Linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that the Viet people
> were probably seagoers from Melanesia who landed in SE Asia several
> millenia ago.

Really?  I thought there was a lot of linguistic evidence that people
speaking Austro-Asiatic languages (a language group including Vietnamese)
were in the coastal regions of China (up to about Shandong) 3000-2000
years ago.  There are quite a few very old words in Chinese that seem
to be borrowed from Austro-Asiatic, including "Jiang1", originally the
name of the Yangzi River but now the usual word for "river" in southern
China (just as "He2" was generalized in the north).  There were Miao-Yao
speakers in the middle Yangzi, Tai speakers to the south and southwest,
and maybe Burmese in Sichuan.  Chinese was spoken in a comparatively
small area in the Huang He basin.  As the Chinese expanded, many of
these people became Chinese, while others were driven south.  So today's
(Han) Chinese are an ethnic mixture, and are indeed ethnically related
to Vietnamese, Thais, Miaos, Koreans, Mongols, etc.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU ()
Subject: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:57:01 EST


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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:36:40 EST
Reply-To: CFE Graduate Student List <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was CFELIST@SUVM
From: FKELLE@SUVM.SYR.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list CFEGRAD <CFEGRAD@SUVM.SYR.EDU>

Some of you may be interested, so I thought I would send this along to
the crowd and hope to catch a few possible participants.  Peace, I think
that's what this is about, Fay
_____________________________________________________________________________

To all supporters of peace and justice in former Yugoslavia:

Action for Peace in the Balkans, a multiethnic, San Francisco Bay
Area-based peace group, has organized a nationwide telegram hotline to
President Bill Clinton, urging him to seek a peaceful solution to this
conflict. The telegram reads:

"I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 
in former Yugoslavia.  Such action will fuel the fighting, prolong civilian 
suffering, and lead to an even wider conflict in the region. Exercise 
evenhanded diplomacy and pressure the three warring sides in Bosnia and 
Hercegovina to negotiate a mutually acceptable political solution."

The procedure for using the hotline is as follows:

1. Call (800) 372-2626 (Western Union, Telegram Hotlines)

2. Ask for hotline no. 9337; it will be identified as "Peace in the
Balkans"; the recepient and begining of text will be confirmed (full text
also read on demand; however, note that within this hotline the text is not
alterable)

3. You will be asked for a name and address of the sender, as well as your
home phone number; a $6.95 charge will appear on your next telephone bill
(however, you can call from any phone)

4. You may (optionally) provide your name and address to the organizers.


We urge you to take part in and advertise broadly this action, which will
be taking place for a limited time after inauguration. Our new
administration's policy on this issue has apparently not been set yet, but
defining it is its highest foreign policy priority. This is why it is of
paramount importance to immediately  let them know that military
intervention is *not* a viable option. This message must be sent in a
clear, visible and organized way, and this action serves that purpose.
Certainly, other means of voicing your opinion on the subject remain
equally important as before. But we ask you to take this action seriously,
since only many thousands of telegrams can make a difference.


ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Joke
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:25:03 GMT

Thought you guys and gals might need a break from this heavy discussion:
(I saw it in soc.culture.vietnamese)

Four guys have been golfing together for years.  Throughout the years, they
have discussed various aspects of their lives, with one exception: they never
talk about their sons.  This is because one of the men has a son who is a
flaming, out-of-the-closet homosexual, and the other men don't want to make
him feel bad.

One week, however, the man with the gay son is late to the country club, so the
other three are sitting around the table and inevitably start talking about
their sons.

"My son the Mercedes salesman," says one, "has been doing so well lately that
last week, he tells me, he GAVE a friend of his a brand new Benz!"

"Ah, that's nothing," says the second one, "My son, the marina owner, has been
so successful lately that last week he gave one of his friends a brand new
speedboat!"

"MY son," says the third, "has done so exceptionally well in the real estate
market, that last week he gave a friend of his a whole HOUSE!"

Just then the fourth man walks in and says "You know, I never thought my son
would amount to anything.  But then, just last week, his three lovers gave him
a new Mercedes, a speedboat and a house!"





Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: Defining "White" Culture
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:20:07 GMT

webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
|
|What is "White" culture?
|
|                   One issue that constantly runs thru Asian
|American discussions is the aspect of "cultural differences".
|Just what are they?
|
|The following is from "The Counseling Psychologist" (p. 618, Sage
|Publications, Inc., 1985) by J. H. Katz.  It makes an attempt to
|list the components of so-called "White" American culture.

Some comments:

|        Rugged Individualism:
|        
|        -- Individual is primary unit
|        -- Individual has primary responsibility
|        -- Independence and autonomy highly valued and rewarded
|        -- Individual can control environment

Questionable.  In many parts of American society, pressure to conform
to something is strong (e.g. assimilate or separate).  Respect for
freedom of speech, religion, etc. isn't all that strong.  (The net
appears to have a greater than average concentration of libertarians,
so sampling the politics newsgroups probably will not get a good
sample of attitudes on this subject.)

|        Competition:
|        
|        -- Winning is everything
|        -- Win/lose dichotomy

Cultural differences may be more about _when_ to compete as opposed to
competing to win.
         
|        Protestant Work Ethic:
|        
|        -- Working hard brings success

Work ethic is not unique to Protestant people.
         
|        Progress and Future Orientation
|        
|        -- Plan for future
|        -- Delayed gratification
|        -- Value continual improvement and progress

Hmmm, this doesn't sound very American (white or otherwise) at all
(e.g. tendency to go into debt to buy something now, instead of saving
up for it, or business' emphasis on today's profits over the long term
viability of the company).

-- 
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No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:07:50 GMT

In article <C1GwLG.Iy7@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.bell.ca writes:
>In article underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe):
>|> It is a simple matter for Ms. Tseng to dispel any misconceptions (but
>|> in this case, they probably happen to be correct) by providing some
>|> statistics about the membership in that organization.  But I bet that 
>|> she won't even though it would be a simple matter.
>In your (Qwight Joe's) initial response to Ms Tseng's article you suspect
>that she is "chinese". Then you further suspect that the orgainzation she

This is slander.  I have no clue as to whether Ms. Tseng is Chinese-ge.
I never said that she was Chinese-ge.  If I suspected anything, I only
suspected that she might be Chinese-cu, based on the way in which she
derived her condemnation of the characters in Putnam Hall.

But I do suspect that Mr. Park is somewhat Chinese-cu.

>belongs to contains a majority of chinese members. These suspections were
>based on her name and title of the organization she belongs to. 

(1) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.

>Well, fine, I would bet the house that she is at least half chinese cause

(2) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.

>Tseng is a chinese last name. However, I don't see how you can derive that
>this "asian" association is composed of a majority of chinese members based
>just on her name and title.

(3) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.

>If the president of the United States is Irish then does that mean that
>the population of the United States is composed of > 50% Irish????

(4) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.

>The way I see your intial article is that you took "asian" and "chinese" 
>to be the same thing. And I am not the only one as another "Melinda" has

(5) I have no clue as to whether she is Chinese-ge.

>commented on this "oversight".   	 

Well, I hope that repeating the statement 5 times is sufficient for
even the mind of a Chinese-cu-like person, like Mr. Park.

As an added bonus, I'll add, "I have no clue as to what Mr. Park's ethnicity
might be."

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:29:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.051616.16595@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <c6TPXB3w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry
>Greenfield) writes:...
>>  (except that in Japan, there IS a Children's Day, which is why I 
>>...
>
>Yes, in Japan, there _is_ a Children's day; it is a day when parents
>celebrate the health and well-being of their children.

  April 4th is Children's Day in China too.  Which date is it in Japan?

>
>By contrast, there is another country in Asia, where the parents do _not_
>celebrate Children's Day because there is _no_ such day.  In fact,
>historically, some of those parents either killed or _ate_ their children.
>When they are lucky enough not to be killed or eaten, they are treated
>as one would treat an oxen.
>
>Compared to the Japanese-cu and the Americans-cu, those people are truly
>dic...
>
>Have a nice day!
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: More on the A*Images Asian American Women Calender...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:24:50 GMT

In article <1jipl6$fop@agate.berkeley.edu> ollie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Oliver Wang) writes:
>     Since my posting yesterday on the A*Images As Am Women Calender, I've
>     gotten a few comments and a request for ordering one...sigh...

On the subject of the calendar, I think I have to agree with Marida that
the calendar sounds like it's fitting into the broader pattern of exploiting
women as sex objects, rather than its being a particularly Asian thing.

>
	[Stuff about Dwight deleted.]

>     I have to ask though...and I feel bad that I have to, but I would like
>     to ask Mr. Joe...Are you white?  Since you seem to look at last names so
>     much, I couldn't help doing the same...

People always seem to want to know Dwight's ethnicity.  I'm going to side
with Dwight, here, and assert that (1) it doesn't matter and (2) even if
it did, there's no way anyone knows.  I haven't met Dwight, but I have met
his brother.  Furthermore, Dwight has chosen not to change his last name from
"Joe", which could easily pass as a Chinese-cu name (aka "Zhou" "Chou" etc.),
to a good solid Western-cu name like "Kennedy" or "Nixon", as he has
recommended in the past for those of us afflicted with Chinese-cu names.
Additionally, several people have asserted Dwight's ethnicity to me.
Given everything I know about Dwight, which is more than most of you netters,
I still can't absolutely know his ethnicity.  As I've emailed to a net.friend
before, for all I know, Dwight could be Jimmy Hoffa after receiving plastic
surgery and a new identity in the Federal Witness Protection Program, and his
brother Truman could just be a Secret Service agent in deep cover.  For that
matter, I may just be an AI project here at Stanford to create a politically
correct expert system...

						--Alan Hu
>
	[Stuff about the calendar deleted.]
>
>     "Once again it's on..."-I.C.       
>
>     O-D.U.B. aka Ollie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 05:03:36 GMT

In article <74546@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Well, for laughs, I looked at the 1st episode of the new Kung Fu. Boy
>Carradine looks like a tubby old white guy now, and his son is completely
>euro-Am, though he does speak cantonese. Basically runs like a bad
>American Chinatown gangster movie, but it does have kung fu fight scenes
>and lots of Asian (but not very good) actors. Not a classic.

The "new" Kung Fu is basically same as most of the stupid crap that you 
find at the Chinatown movie-rental shops.  The movies are just glorifications
of violence--nothing more and nothing less.  The only difference between
"Kung Fu" and the usual stuff in the Chinatown shops is that the leader actors
in "Kung Fu" are European-ge.

By the way, for those who are curious as to what the Chinatown-going-crowd
likes, just turn to Channel 26 on Saturday after midnight.  There's some
ridiculous crap called "Kung Fu" theater, basically showing Chinese-cu movies
dubbed with English.  Stupidest violence-glorifying crap that I've ever
seen.  It makes my stomach turn; I always flick the channel.

If ya want the good stuff, then check out the wonderful Japanese drama
and variety that appears on Saturday and Sunday evening.

Have a nice day!
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