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From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Subject: Re: Film, "The Panama Deception", at Metro Cinemas. Hurry!
Keywords: film metro panama limited engagement
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:33:11 GMT

dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:

>january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling) writes:
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>>The  film shows daily at 9:30P.  Admission is 6.50$.   Seven 
>>Gables  Discount Cards, which provide 5 admissions for  20$, 
>>are  accepted Monday through Thursday, and are available  at 
>>the box office.

>But, I seem to recall you can only use two at a a time, and don't tear
>them from the book first...

I had no idea there were limitations on the use of the discount
cards.  I wonder if perhaps we are talking about different
coupons.  The discount cards with which I am familiar are printed
on a single small piece of heavy paper, with 5 numbers (1-5) on
each.  One number is punched for each admission.  To my knowledge
there are no limitations on their use, other than that they are
only accepted Mon-Thu at 7G theaters other than the Neptune,
and that they have expiration dates.
--
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: family leave
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:41:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

Michael Burr writes:
>The problem that I have with the republicans' tax incentive plan for
>family leave is that what you really wind up with is a situation wehere
>taxpayers are paying-off their employers for better treatment - just
>seems wrong to me.

The notion that corporate taxes are painless to individuals is based on the
flawed notion that corporations are wallowing in huge amounts of money that
can be extracted without any significant effect.  The fact is that corporate
taxes are passed on, dollar per dollar, to consumers in the form of higher
prices.

What the fans of European-style systems don't talk about is the damage it
does.  European competitiveness depends upon a network of tariffs and
restrictions to keep US, Japanese, and Korean goods out.  If Japanese goods
were permitted into Europe the way they are permitted in the US, European
industry would be dead.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: jsanchez@polari.online.com
Subject: OS/2 User Group Around Here ??
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:49:57 GMT

I am wondering if there are any OS/2 user groups around here or if IBM is
sponsoring any local tech/pr/info sessions?  I would like to commune with
like minded souls on this thing.
Thanks
-- 
Jim Sanchez 
Hughes LAN Systems - Bellevue, WA (206)828-7417
Internet: jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@polari.online.com
UUCP: ..!uunet!polari!jsanchez
From: lectro@milton.u.washington.edu (Jonathan E. Maier)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: FOR SALE: AdSCSI Plus ST Host Adapter w/10Mb hard drive (optional)
Summary: $170+shipping gives a complete, upgradeable 20Mb hard-drive system
Keywords: hard drive scsi interface atari
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:55:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


   ICD SCSI Hard Drive Interface w/clock (battery backed) for use with
Atari ST series computers.  Hardly used, bought 8 months ago.  Includes
software/DMA cable/SCSI cable.  Will sell for $70, OBO.

   I also have a 20Mb 1/4 height (very small) SCSI hard drive that I will
sell with the adapter for and additional $100, but not separately.

   Shipping not included.

  Jonathan E. Maier             # ## #                lectro@u.washington.edu
 -----------------------------  # ## #  --------------------------------------
  Weekend Operator             ## ## ##              University of Washington
  UCS Operations              ##  ##  ##                  Seattle, Washington
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com
Subject: Aerating Services
Organization: Aerating Specialist
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:59:35 GMT

For a healthier greener lawn or to help in the recovery of your lawn, aerating is
an essential part of the process.

Aerating is a process which removes cores of soil from your lawn and allows
fertilizer, water, and air to the root zone of your hard and compact lawn.

For more information and price quotes call:

- Greater eastside and Seattle residents:
Aerating Specialist (206) 930-0154

Special:  $35 for Pine Lake and Sammamish Plateau residents

- North King County and South Snohomish residents:
AMK Aerating (206) 359-1727

All other lawn renovation and installation services available.



 

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: environmental costs of windpower
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:26:15 GMT

If you think that windmills are environmentally neutral, go to one of the
California windmill farms and see for yourself.  Better yet, *think* of what a
windmill farm entails; a whole gaggle of tall towers with *large* propellers
(remember, you have to get *more* joules of power out of the wind than what
you generate -- laws of thermodynamics & all that -- and it takes a fair
amount of umph to turn a generator), with various towers pointed in various
directions to cover the directions the wind blows.  Can't have any trees (they
block the wind).  Too bad about the birds.  Too bad about any use of the land.
Too bad about the noise.

Windmill farms are great if you are getting a tax credit to build 'em, don't
have to turn a profit, and don't have to care about how they affect the
locale.  They suck big time if they have to generate enough electricity to pay
for their construction and maintenance, if you care about the environment
around them,...
From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: US competitiveness
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:47:53 GMT
Organization: Totally Unorganized

In article <1992Oct4.221140.563@fnx.uucp> jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala) writes:
>In <MS-C.718177018.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
>
>>
>> ... deleted ...
>>
>I believe this is incorrect.  Japanese workers are far better at quality
>control than US workers.  That is part of the reason Japan can produce
>goods more economically than the US (it certainly has nothing to do with
>wages or cost-of-living anymore).  The catch is that Japanese products
>are designed to a lower quality standard.  Since the workers have
>excellent quality control, the "target" can be shifted down without an
>unacceptable number of units falling outside the allowable minimum
>quality level.  But the *average* quality still centers on the lower
>target value, therefore a "lower quality" product.

The above brings up a question:  One of the reasons many purchase, for
example, a Jap car over an equivilant US model is because they have a
reputation of a *HIGHER* quality than the US made counterpart in the
same price range - less defects initially, holds up better over the long
term, etc.  This would hardly seem possible if the product were built
to a LOWER qualtiy standard.

Either I am missing something here, or there is an error in the indication
that the Jap products are made to a lower quality, cuz if that were so,
that would become apparant with use, especially on a large sample running
over the years.  Yet Toyota, for example, has a good reputation for
reliability and longevity (meaning that they are not known to nickel
and dime the user to death, have a short life, etc.).  Other makes have
differing reputations, of course, some better, some worse, but overall,
the Jap automobile seems to be percieved to be more sound overall than the
US counterpart - at least in past years.  Comparison with German, Swedish,
and so on I have not heard much one way or the other.

-- 
pat@rwing.uucp                                  (Pat Myrto),  Seattle, WA
                      If all else fails, try:
         ...!uunet!{pilchuck, polari}!rwing!pat
WISDOM:    "Travelling unarmed is like boating without a life jacket" 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: US competitiveness
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:36:58 GMT

It should be noted with all the talks about competitiveness that we
are *not* competing with Europe and the other countries with these
wonderful family leave policies.  Europe is doing considerably worse
than the US in terms of international competitiveness.  European
industries and their workers are the least productive and produce the
lowest quality in the industrialized world.

Competing with Europe is like shooting fish in a barrel.

We are competing with our Asian friends.  Fortunately, we are doing so
without paying the price that their workers are paying.

The fact is, we are holding our own with them.  American workers are
still more productive and deliver better quality than German *or*
Japanese workers.  Germany has been building overpriced garbage for
decades.  Japanese productivity and quality is mostly in those items
that can be made mostly by machines.  There is a reason that Japanese
and German companies are so eager to move their production to the US.

We have to take a fine line between the Scylla of Germany's
overindulged (and unproductive) workforce and the Charybdis of Japan's
demoralized (and unproductive) workforce.  It is possible to tread
that line, but only if we change things incrementally and with great
care.

It will do us no good to have German-style worker benefits if there
are no jobs or if we have to have amazing trade barriers to keep out
Japanese products.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:01:38 GMT

In article <MS-C.717631243.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>I challenge David Butler to provide any evidence that Bush `believes' any of
>the atrocities he outlines.  If Butler claimed that Bush's beliefs would
>*result* in any of these things, that would be another matter; but what Butler
>is arguing is that Bush is acting out of evil or avarice.

  Since you obviously didn't notice, I was responding to an article that was
commenting on a number of Bush 'beliefs'.  I merely reflected the same
language of the origional post in order to present a different viewpoint.
Sheesh!
   If you really must nitpick over minor syntax ... then ok, you win.  It 
sure was silly of me to say that policies Bush advocates reflect his beliefs.

>Neither Bush nor Clinton deserve to be president.

   You may be right.  The way I see it - if you don't vote for the lesser
of two evils then you may very well end up with the GREATER of two evils.

-- 
****************************************************************************
* Dave                          *               The Alpinist               *
* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com *            DARE to be stoopid!           *
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From: casimir@sumax.seattleu.edu (Jim Lubin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:11:21 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Viacom said they have a 36 channel capacity and that they are currently at
36 channels. If they get a large number of request to add the SCI-FI
Channel, they will.

Please call!

Jim
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: yuri@amath.washington.edu (Yuri Yulaev)
Subject: I need cofee expresso machine
Keywords: coffe, machine, hardware
	Hello, folks.
Organization: University of Washington, Applied Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:07:17 GMT

Can smbdy tell me where can I buy cheaper, but not nececcary cheapest coffe-
maker like Krupp. I need to make 2-4 cups at once.
	Thanks in advance. Yuri.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: U Dist. Restaurants?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:17:32 GMT

I need some recommendations for restaurants, coffee shops,
etc. in the U district where I can meet a lady friend for
some coffee, a bite to eat, and some casual, and possibly
serious, conversation.  They must be open late Sunday
afternoon and early evening.

Replies by post or e-mail either one will be OK.

Thanks in advance ...

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: gwynne@milton.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: Remember to Register to Vote
Summary: If you don't vote, you can't complain 
Reply-To: gwynne@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:21:54 GMT

In order to vote in November's General Election, you MUST be
registered by SATURDAY, OCTOBER 3rd - this upcoming Saturday.

If you are registered but have moved, you can change your 
address at the registration booth.  It's alot easier to 
vote if the polling place is up the street instead of up
the freeway a few miles.  DON'T go to the polling place
in your neighborhood if you aren't registered there.  You 
vote where you're registered, not where you live.  If 
this seems too obvious, it isn't.  During my primary voting,
I saw 10 people come in to vote only to be sent away. 

Libraries are the best bet for registration. 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Subject: Register to vote at Pike Place
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:25:19 GMT


I know, for a fact, that voter registration tables will be at the Pike
Place Market this Saturday, October 3.  Voting is fun, folks.  You get
to punch holes in a little piece of paper or pull levers.  I prefer the
levers and the booth with a curtain, but I haven't seen that in years.

It always reminded me of that political ad where someone pulled the
lever of one candidate and the world blew up.  Anyone remember who that
was??

-- 
                 Wayne Dyer --- dwdyer@polari.online.com  
  "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them. The will to a system
      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_ 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey)
Subject: Re: Paying for unlisted phone number.
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:00:56 GMT

In <1992Oct6.093636.1987@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:
>>I just investigated changing my home phone number to an
>>unlisted number, and was told by GTE NW that it will cost 
>>me $2.20 each MONTH!!!    
>When they print the phone books each year, they've got to move all the names
>past yours down to fill the gap.  Thus, it costs them each year to unlist
>your number.  Hence, the fee.

Nothing the phone company does has any relation to cost of service.  The phone
company conspires with the State Utilities and Transportation Commission to
set ``tariffs'' on their ``services''.  The phone company presents a set of
doctored accounting books to the commission to ``justify'' their charges, the
commission rubber stamps the charges, and voila!  

You must pay to ``unlist'' your number because many years ago, when the phone
company invented phone books, some clever marketeer managed to convince a
gullible sucker (read customer) that if they paid extra they could have their
name and number withheld from this marvelous new invention.  Once someone pays
for it once, anyone else who wants it better pay the same or else the poor
first sucker thinks they got ripped off.  Eventually, these charges get
codified into tariffs and you have the arbitrary and capricious nature of
phone bills today.

Just remember that GTE only recently (last year) removed the ``touch tone''
charge from your phone bill.  The reason?  Not because they long ago converted
all switches in Washington to electronic, thus removing any justification for
a surcharge, but because the UTC found out that GTE exceeded their allowable
profit and forced them to remove some charges.

Also yesterday a judge in King County overturned the UTC's short-sighted
ruling of last year that prevented Electric Light Wave from offering local
dial tone in King County.  US West doesn't care about this since they figure
that they can compete in a less regulated market place.  GTE, however,
adamantly opposes any kind of competition since they *know* how much they
stand to lose -- their entire customer base!  I personally can't wait for the
day when I can choose my local phone company, choose my local cable supplier,
etc.  Maybe then I could get a *cheap* ISDN line to my house and a cable feed
with the channels *I* want to watch.

/Joe
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:00:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

David Butler writes:
>[a lot of claims of what Bush `believes']

I challenge David Butler to provide any evidence that Bush `believes' any of
the atrocities he outlines.  If Butler claimed that Bush's beliefs would
*result* in any of these things, that would be another matter; but what Butler
is arguing is that Bush is acting out of evil or avarice.

Using Butler's logic, I could say that Clinton `believes' in letting poor
blacks get drafted and shot up so that rich white boys can stay in college.  I
could say that Clinton `believes' in making the US currency worthless in order
to deal with the debt.  I could say that Clinton `believes' in making the most
productive people in the country pay the burden of supporting those who refuse
to produce.  I could say that Clinton `believes' in dealing with domestic
pollution by moving all industry from the US to Third World countries, where
the pollution would be out of sight and out of mind.  I could say that Clinton
`believes' in eliminating private property, to force everyone to live in
government-controlled housing under government rules.

But I don't use Butler's logic.  I don't think Clinton `believes' in any of
the above.  Clinton merely believes in things that -- IMHO -- would have these
as their eventual effect if Clinton's program isn't checked.

I'm no fan of Bush, mostly because Bush has not demonstrated any ability to
follow *any* belief.  Rather, Bush does what is politically expedient at the
time.  Bush blames Congress -- and Congress richly deserves it -- but ignores
his own failure to confront Congress.

Neither Bush nor Clinton deserve to be president.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.180942.13930@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.203508.16673@beaver.cs.washington.edu> craig@cs.washington.edu (Craig Anderson) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.190047.5728@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>>>If you are pulled
>>>over for any reason there is an automatic search warrant for your car, 
>>>including the trunk.
>
>>According to a Seattle Times article I read last month, this is not (yet)
>>true.  Police still need consent in order to search a car if they
>>don't have a warrent.
>
>   Well, I'll have to re - look up the exact wording, but this was a 
>supreme court decision a year or so ago that police do have the right
>to check the trunk.  Maybe it just hasn't yet filtered down to a local
>level.
>

The court held that it falls into the category of "lunging distance".
In the past, the police were allowed to search the parts of the 
vehicle within easy reach of the driver, in case he decided to
lunge for a weapon, etc.  This originally included the area under
the front seat, and the driver's area of the passenger compartment.
The court then expanded it to include the back seat, then the glove
compartment, and in its most recent and perverse form, the trunk.
How any person can consider the inside of the trunk to be within
lunging distance of the driver is beyond me.  Of course, there is now
talk of expanding lunging distance further to include the engine
compartment, the area *under* the back seat cushion, any trailers
being towed, luggage on luggage racks, etc.  Needless to say, anything
illegal (like plants) found in these areas can lead to prosecution,
since the search was conducted in "good faith".  I even seem to
remember I heard some Law 'N' Order type propose that if the cops
follow you into your garage of carport they should be able to search
that, too.  That's a lot of lunging.  I wonder if you can prevent the
search by instisting that you be handcuffed?

-- 
David Breneman     Sys Admin, Tacoma Screw Products, Inc. |  ____  ____  ____
dcb@tacoma.uucp           |   SCREWIE the TSP CLOWN sez-  |   /   /___  /___/ 
 ..!uunet!tacoma!dcb      |  "Nylok lock nuts lose their  |  /   ____/ / 
CompuServe: 75760,1232    | binding strength after 1 use!"|
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.045922.1626@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
>Lines like this always take me back to bedtime stories.  This one makes
>me think about the story of the "Goose That Laid The Golden Egg."  Even
>now I can hear the farmer say something like:
>
>   "Do I have this straight?  A healthy goose is more important than golden
>    eggs."
>
>If you want to sacrifice a robust economy for short-term gains you are
>doing nothing less than attempting to kill that goose.

I've got it now.

A robust and productive economy is more important than health and besides
a rich farmer with a dead goose can pay the doctor.

I am also concerned that big government programs will be inefficient, and
that very high tax rates and the demotivating (by removal of the greed
incentive) power of socialism will reduce net output. I believe these factors
need to be weighed against any given new AND existing programs, rather than
a blind devotion to the free market. We certainly do not have a free market
in health care now. The health care situation in the U.S. contributes to a 
great deal of worry and fear even among folks that are "covered" (currently).
A country with this much wealth and knowledge might do better.

It would be nice if employers were enlightened enough to recognize that
happy, appreciative, and loyal employees were good for them and a robust and
productive economy, but that is not always the case.

Think.

-- 
---
Mike Zintel             zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com not zintel@mdi.com anymore
Motorola Mobile Data
Bothell, WA
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