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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Has Microsoft abandoned us?
Date: 24 Aug 92 20:44:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug20.140202.18388@src.honeywell.com> dicks@cfsmo.honeywell.com writes:
>Couldn't help but notice the silence of Microsoft people recently.
>Alistair (who was posting daily) hasn't been seen since August 11
>and the latest post by anyone there was August 14.

Wow! Even my mother doesnt miss me this much...

-- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Looking for rshd, telnetd, ftpd etc.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.211813.14491@microsoft.com> michaelw@microsoft.com (Michael Winser) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.191707.28916@news.mentorg.com> pbrooks@mentorg.com (Phil Brooks) writes:
>
>Once again, why stick with the unix model?  Services are explicitly supported
>by Windows NT.  When started they take on the ACE of the user that installed
>them.  No login required.  I'm pretty sure that you can start these services 
>via RPC.  It would be trivial to write a start server daemon (for RPC, telnet
>or whatever).

Why stick with the "UNIX" model?  Because it works, and works well.  Hype
aside, why thow out basic ASCII streams as a fundamental network primitive?
(i.e. virtual circuit model with call setup and tear down, more commonly known
in the OS community as "login"/"logout").  NT Servers are going to get awfully
lonely in mixed environmnets.  Perhaps as lonely as Apple "servers", if that
isn't an outright oxymoron.

It is along way from a kludged individual solution, to a clean and supported
interface.  Consider also that the most successful example of data flow
programming in the world to day is shell scripts and pipes, including the true
ease of integration via rsh.  It can even be done under VMS.   Your might
change the script language, you might have many of them, but the basic
requirements transcends all of them.

Finally, the Internet is not an accident, a foolish standard set by committee,
nor an attempt at market dominance...and it has survived and prospered on this
"UNIX" model (sic).  Imagine writing your own client program for every different
server on the net...of course that is exactly the case with Compu$erve.  All
this single source stuff, and where is the improvement...

I think that a new OS needs a little breathing room but that doesn't mean its
advocates need to deny what they will be forced to provide by the market place.
(You can bet your old friends at IBM once vowed never to violate the purity of
MVS/SNA with TCP/IP and its upper level services).

Rob D.

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From: thg@cam-orl.co.uk (Tim Glauert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Better multi-user support when?
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:59:43 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England.

One reason for my personal interest in NT is that it provides the potential
for sharing a PC between users is a protected way. But this doesn't really
work under the SDK because most configuration parameters are held in global
files.  Can anyone say how soon this will change? It's really irritating to
find that my colleague has changed the background, border width, file manager
settings etc. when I come to use the machine again.

In particular, will NT be changed so that existing Windows apps etc. can be
configured on a per-user basis?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: Where do I get the NT manuals?
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: comp
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:58:09 GMT

In article <KEVIN.92Sep1165204@runningbear.edscom.demon.co.uk> kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey) writes:
>A colleague of mine went to the European Developers Conference in
>Brussels, Belgium in July and came back clutching a couple CD-ROMs and a
>sheaf of papers.  He also put business cards in 3 boxes, labelled "Win
>an NT T-shirt", "documentation" and "slides".
>
>I'm currently trying to track down documentation on the compiler and
>linker and can't find it in any of the postscript files.  

Unless you got a really weird CD, the docs should be under 
\mstools\docs\tools.  There are several chapters devoted to compiler and 
linker stuff.
From: wayne@jahangir.UUCP (wayne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Installing NT
Keywords: NT, INTERACTIVE 386
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:33:06 GMT
Organization: MDC, NYC


     I have been thinking about installing NT on my
machine and I was wondering if what I want to do 
would work.

     I currently have a machine that is split between 
MS-DOS and Interactive Unix. What I want to do is replace 
MS-DOS with NT. To boot one system as opposed to another I
use fdisk to switch the active partition. Interactive has
a corresponding fdisk utility. 

     Is there any reason to think that this would or would
not work?



     - Wayne  wayne@mktdata.com
From: clay+@cs.cmu.edu (Clayton Bridges)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Compuserve Access
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:28:07 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

A previous article mentioned the use of Compu$erve navigation programs
to cut costs, etc. I thought that I should add that OzCIS trounces
TAPCIS as far as these programs go. It has a more "modern" pull-down
menu interface, and is mouseable, whereas TAPCIS is just plain arcane. 

Both of these programs, and ATO as well, can be found in the SIMTEL pc
archive, or any of its many mirrors (e.g. wuarchive.wustl.edu). Anon
ftp is probably a lot cheaper than downloading multimegabytes from CIS
@ $12/hr. The directory is something like pub/pc/compuserve. 

Cheers

Clay
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: kwanghan@iti.gov.sg (Tan Kwang Han (SE))
Subject: Getting Windows NT
Reply-To: kwanghan@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:08:43 GMT

Sometime back I remember some discussion on how easily MS is making NT beta available
I didn't pay attention to those postings until when I think I need it. 
Can somebody summarise for me how I can get it. many thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: File system switches
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:41:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa
Keywords: NT, file systems

In article <2562@news.cerf.net> boltr@nic.cerf.net (Rory Bolt) writes:
>Hello,
>	Does NT support a file system switch and stackable files
>systems similar to vnode based UNIXs? In particular would it be 
>possible to implement something similar to Sun Microsystem's 
>Translucent File System (TFS)?

Windows NT's driver mechanism allows for the layering of drivers - file
systems are drivers which respond to the set of messages that the
i/o subsystem generates when requesting file services. They're not
"special" and don't have a different set of interfaces. All drivers
respond to messages which interest them, and pass them through to the
next driver in the chain if they're not interested.

So indeed, you could layer any one file system on top of the services
of another to implement intelligent archiving systems, Sun TFS-like
systems, or simply something that turns a file delete into a rename! You
can implement compression file systems or make your 1.4Mb disk image on
your C: drive appear to be your I: drive

Driver layering is useful!

-- Alistair
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: An NT Neophyte Asks...
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:17:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Questions, questions, questions:

Being new to this NT phenomenon, I have to ask all of you up and
coming NT gurus out there:

1. What system/config do you run NT on?
2. What CD-ROM reader do you have and/or recommend (I have to keep
it $500 or under)?
3. If any of you have printed the Postscript docs or purchased the
manuals, how do you like the manuals?  Lots of informative examples?
4. How do you like NT so far (bugs and all)?

Just curious...
I need to know this info before setting up my purchasing proposal.
Thanks in advance!  Any Microsoft people out there who could help
me, I'd greatly appreciate it!  I've got a 486/33 with 8M and 120M HD.
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From: c2s4027@tamsun.tamu.edu (Cedric Sims)
Subject: Re: Getting Windows NT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:18:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.081908.19073@tfs.com> eric@tfs.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.172725.7233@microsoft.com> alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
>>If you want delivery to a US address, then you should call 800-227-4679
>>and order it, using yur credit card. Outside the US you should approach
>>your most local Microsoft office and order it there -- Alistair
>
>I ordered mine by mail, August 5.  I assume it takes several weeks, but just
>in case my order got lost in the mail, how long should I wait before trying
>again?

I ordered mine overnight, but it took 5 business days to arrive. I guess
the process is a little slow sometime.
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From: sanzgiri@bombay.metaphor.com (Ajit Sanzgiri)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NT, 3.1, and Global Memory
Keywords: global memory
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:53:47 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Sep02.180251.7874@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>....
>However, I have just posted a dll which handles shared memory
>under Windows NT.  Operations are ShrAlloc(), ShrLock(),
>ShrUnlock(), ShrFree(), ShrName() to assign a name to a handle
>and ShrGet() to get a handle based upon a name.
>
>I even make heroic efforts to force all addresses to be identical
>across processes.

	Does one need to be heroic for this ? I thought MapViewOfFileEx
	provides this routinely.

	Ajit Sanzgiri
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Experiment in booting NT
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:38:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

I have one hard disc which is divided between the C: (primary DOS)
partition, and the D: (extended DOS) partition.  I intalled NT to 
the D: partition using the dos2nt batch file.  Everything worked okay
after the installation.

As an experiment, I backed up both partitions onto tape (using a
CMS Jumbo 250 tape unit), then reformated both partitions using DOS 
("format c: /s" and "format d:").  Then, I restored both partitions
from the tape backup.

Well, it wasn't that surprising to see that the NT bootloader was no
longer starting up at boot time.  Instead, DOS boots up normally.  This
is because the DOS format command rewrites the boot sector on the DOS
primary partition.  The NT boot loader has no way of getting started.

My question is:  Can I reinstall the NT boot loader without reinstalling
the entire NT system again?

And the corollary question:  Can I uninstall the NT bootloader without
having to use DOS to reformat the primary DOS partition?

My motivation is simply to have better control over my disc drive for
booting, defragmentation, and the correct restoration of files and 
boot sectors.

Thanks for the help.  

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
From: joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: An NT Neophyte Asks...
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:46:08 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <87579@netnews.upenn.edu> din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din) writes:

>Questions, questions, questions:

>Being new to this NT phenomenon, I have to ask all of you up and
>coming NT gurus out there:

>1. What system/config do you run NT on?

386/33, 16 Meg RAM, 150 Meg HD, VGA.

>2. What CD-ROM reader do you have and/or recommend (I have to keep
>it $500 or under)?

I ordered the CD Technology package deal for NT. You can get an internal
drive for $400 and controller for $100.  There's a coupon when you
order NT.

>3. If any of you have printed the Postscript docs or purchased the
>manuals, how do you like the manuals?  Lots of informative examples?

I printed the compiler/linker docs to learn about the switches.

>4. How do you like NT so far (bugs and all)?

The samples compile correctly.  The on-line help has worked for me.

>I need to know this info before setting up my purchasing proposal.
>Thanks in advance!  Any Microsoft people out there who could help
>me, I'd greatly appreciate it!  I've got a 486/33 with 8M and 120M HD.

You'll be paging all the time with only 8 Meg. MS advertises 12 Meg min,
16 Meg recommended for development.  Depending what else is on your 120
Meg HD, you might be cramped.  NT development needs about 70-90 Meg.

Jay Joiner
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: DDK Price too high??
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:59:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott) writes:

>I've gotta agree with Mike's conclusions here. For example, our group is 
>developing a DSP board for educational use (on a shoe-string budget). 
>We were really excited about having a driver for the Win/NT, but 
>unfortunately, MS set the price too high.


The only thing keeping from using NT RIGHT NOW in my designs is that there are
no device drivers out for it.  I can't really complain about availibility but
the $500 for the DDK as opposed to $69 for the OS does seem a little strange.

I'm dying for drivers (or even suppliers wanting to supply drivers) for NT.  I
need DSP drivers, sound board drivers, multiport serial card drivers, etc.
As it stands, I've got to settle for OS/2 (YUCK!) because it has the drivers.


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Internet:   sammy@sed.csc.com                                  \O/
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: woodwort@piper.cs.colorado.edu (Lee Woodworth)
Subject: Re: NT install I/O error 0x00000069
Keywords: NT install
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:36:42 GMT

brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV (Brad Hines) writes:
>> The installation proceeded just fine, copying files from CD to hard disk,
>> but then, shortly after starting what I guess is a boot of NT itself
>> (just after the part that says something like MmInit=16064K), I
>> get an Internal Error 0x00000069, Fatal Error message.

Missing files or missing directories can produce the 0x00000069 error message.
I had to compare the files on the disk to the CD-ROM to find out that the 
copy the batch file performed was not complete.

After you get the files copied check the attributes.  The CD-ROM
is a read only medium and the files are write protected.  Some copying
methods produce write protected files on the disk.  I had problems
during the install until I made sure that all the files were
writable.  See the attrib command for more information.

If you have a failed installation, you probably need to completely
recopy all the files again.  Be careful about munching your saved
boot sectors.  See some of the later postings in this group about
how to restore the DOS boot sector.
From: lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Reading the UPC code from an Audio CD
Keywords: Audio CD UPC NT MSCDEX
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:46:28 EDT
Reply-To: lothar@angus.mi.org
Organization: Cyrcle Systems

I would appreciate it if I could get some example code on how to read
the UPC code from an Audio CD using MSCDEX under DOS.

Also, how would this be done under NT since there is no MSCDEX?

--==>>BobT> 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: NT, 3.1, and Global Memory
Date: 02 Sep 92 18:02:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: global memory

In article baruch@nynexst.com (Robert Baruch) writes:
| After reading countless paragraphs on how Windows supports only 
| a few means of data transfer between applications, I have come to
| the conclusion that if I didn't want to use DDE, I could use a DLL,
| and GlobalAlloc memory which could then be shared between
| all the applications using that DLL.
| 
| My questions are:
| 
| (1)  If I GlobalAlloc in the DLL, and get a handle using one application,
|      then another application accesses this handle, will I get the data from
|      the first application UNDER WINDOWS NT?  I know that it works
|     under Windows 3.1.

No.  This won't work.
However, I have just posted a dll which handles shared memory
under Windows NT.  Operations are ShrAlloc(), ShrLock(),
ShrUnlock(), ShrFree(), ShrName() to assign a name to a handle
and ShrGet() to get a handle based upon a name.

I even make heroic efforts to force all addresses to be identical
across processes.

This is available on Compuserve WIN32 porting from OS/2.
Included in this kit is source code for the dll, test code,
and some discussions on implementation decisions.  

I'll ask Alistair to place it on ftp.


| (2)  Are global variables declared in a DLL shareable between
|      applications under Windows NT?  Again, I know it works under 3.1

You can arrange for this to work.  See the example listed.

| (3)  If a DLL enters a message loop on behalf of an application, will
|      that message loop receive messages posted to the application
|      properly under NT?  Once again, it works under 3.1.

I don't see why not.

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My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Is WinNT RPC competabile with SunOS RPC ?
Date: 01 Sep 92 01:40:00 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <714937137snx@rp.com> koby@rp.com (Jacob Avital) writes:
>
>Win NT comes with Remote Procedure Call support which includes
>the precompiler and the libs.  My question is how competabile
>it is with SunOS RPC.  Can it call/service calles to/from
>a SunOS system ?  Is the interface definiton language (MIDL)
>the same ?

Windows NT's RPC is compatible with the OSF DCE RPC - Sun's RPC
is known as ONC RPC, and is different -- Alistair
From: brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV (Brad Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Experiment in booting NT
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:27:32 GMT
Reply-To: brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV
Organization: JPL Spatial Interferometry Group

In article <137670012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:

My question is:  Can I reinstall the NT boot loader without reinstalling
the entire NT system again?

And the corollary question:  Can I uninstall the NT bootloader without
having to use DOS to reformat the primary DOS partition?

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com

****

You can use Norton utilities or the like to read the boot sector and save
it to a file.  You can do this for both DOS (before installing NT) and
for NT.  Then you can use Norton to write the desired boot sector back
into place whenever you want it.  However, having deleted the NT boot
sector, you're going to have to install it again to get its boot sector
back.


-- 
Brad Hines
Internet: brad@huey.jpl.nasa.gov
Jet Propulsion Lab, Pasadena, California
From: artk@Congruent.COM (Arthur Kreitman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: The Vanishing Ghostscript 2.5
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:34:09 GMT
Organization: Congruent Corporation; New York, NY
In-reply-to: rupertb@is.morgan.com's message of 26 Aug 92 08:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.090837@is.morgan.com> rupertb@is.morgan.com (Rupert Brown) writes:

>   Several people have mailed me saying they cant find Ghostscript 2.5
>   on cica or wuarchive.
>   I am trying to find out whether its been deleted for a good reason

   It's on uunet under /packages/gnu.   You'll need both the "MSDOS" 
directory (that has the program) and the "FONTS" directory.  Just a 
warning, the people who are most excited about this program are the
people who havn't yet gotten it.

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From: schiers@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Carsten Schiers)
Subject: Re: CD roms for NT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:21:26 GMT

Aehem. I read this one too quick. CD ROM drives. The list says, e.g.:

Chinon CDX431, Denon DRD253, Hitachi CDR1750S, Pioneer DRM600, Sony CDU7211,
and Toshiba TXM3301. There are some more. If you buy the prerelease (see last
message) you will get this list.

CU Carsten.
From: thg@cam-orl.co.uk (Tim Glauert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Looking for rshd, telnetd, ftpd etc.
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:39:54 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England.


I was really pleased to get ftp, rsh and telnet on NT so easily. But I'm never
satisfied! How soon will I be able to provide rsh, rlogin and ftp services on
my NT machine so that I and others can access it remotely?

I realise that this is not "the right way" to do things on NT, but I think
that this functionality will be very important if NT is going to be seen as a
serious contender in the UNIX market. For one thing, it will provide a bridge
for UN*X users as they move over to NT,

	Tim.

Tim Glauert, Olivetti Research Limited,		|	thg@cam-orl.co.uk
24a Trumpington Street, Cambridge, England.	|	+44   223  343232
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