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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:41:30 GMT
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daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:

> I wonder what the moral consequences of an "artist" having contempt for 
> his audience might be...

Depends on the circumstances.  Some audiences are quite contemptible, in
which case you probably aren't billed for it later on.

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: DC:  Showcase '93
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:33:15 GMT

The Blue Devil story does follow pretty closely from #6-7 of his own series, 
except that the Maldorian cops should be blue, not green.  The artist does a 
fair job of imitating the Paris Cullens style.
     On the Cyborg story, I too was really disappointed.  NOTHING changed by 
the end of the story.  Everything that happened was undone.  Oh, and without 
getting specific enough to warrant a spoiler alert, the nastiness started when 
Red Star entered, but wasn't announced until the others arrived.  (Sort of a 
'take a few moments to verify before starting' thing)
     Dave Van Domelen, Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil Tenzil....
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Rai #0, notes and spoilers
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:13:27 GMT

Geez, now I wish I had started reading Valiant books. All the stuff being
bandied about sounds interesting. (The only book I own is PREDATOR VS.
MAGNUS ROBOT FIGHTER; I have read issues of SOLAR and one issue of X-O
MANOWAR.)

As for the theory of future appearances by geomancers changing things (now
that they have been "straightened out" in UNITY), consider the example of
the Linear Men in the SUPERMAN books. They have a (self-appointed) mandate
to make sure events in their history occur they way they remember them.
They bop in and out of the timeline, altering events and in the case of
the original appearance, moving people to where they need to be. Since
they seem to have a view of the past as a big pool (change this so that
happens), who's to say that changing one event doesn't disrupt another
(making sure Adolf Hitler survive any temporal assassination attempts so
he can lead the Third Reich might lead to China getting hold of nuclear
technology before their time.) A similar theory seems to be played out in
the QUANTUM LEAP show; Sam Beckett jumps around changing things (hopefully
leading to his final leap "home") but there have been episodes where he
has interfered with the same event more than once (the JFK episode had him
leaping in and out of Lee Harvey Oswald; to be fair, though, he wasn't in
total control at the time.)

I have no basis for this theory other than Iam obviously a QL fan and have
probably read too much science fiction for my own good. ;D

Jay (=
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From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
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Subject: *Ghastly Beyond Belief* (was Re: Your help is needed! Please read)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:08:35 GMT
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In article <C0GHvD.EqA@athena.cs.uga.edu>, troy@athena.cs.uga.edu (Troy Johnson) writes:
> I and several friends have been assembling a list of "Noble
> Rhetoric and Snappy Comebacks" from tv, movies, books, politics, etc. 
> as a hobby for sometime now and we've reached around 600 different
> quotes in all.  

You should consult the tremendous book *Ghastly Beyond Belief* by Neil
Gaiman and, oh, gee, another guy.  It's a collection of quotes from
science fiction books and movies (and other sources, such as paperback
cover blurbs and movie advertising), many of which fall into the
categories you're looking for.

It is a UK paperback and has not been published in the States as far
as I know.  Maybe you can get it from a specialty dealer-- I believe I
bought mine from Greg Ketter of Dreamhaven in Minneapolis.

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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RE: DC: CV Extra:  Superman to resume in 2 weeks
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:00:10 -0600
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TJ Goldstein (cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)) writes:

>current rumor was "that there will be four clones," Caucasian,
>Hispanic, Asian, and African American, introduced in April.

Then they're not clones!

(Reference to "Yes.  It's a laser capable of emitting a beam of pure
anti-matter."  >Then it's not a laser!<)

------------------------------
                             |     When we walked into the lobby, there was a
Jim Drew                     | guy there, watching television.  Ron leaned over
jrd@frame.com                | the back of the couch and gave him a quick kiss.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Hey, Tam," said Ron.  "What did *you* do
"Innocent, but not naive."   | last night?"
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S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "That's a name," I said.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "It's also an action," said Tam, smiling.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
					(* This one's for Roger K. *)
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Death Miniseries and Sandman Mystery Theatre ... Questions ...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:44:17 GMT


What exactly is Sandman Mystery Theatre, and how does it differ from Sandman?
When does it come out?


When does the Death mini start?



Does anyone know the answers to these questions?



Firestar

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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Comics Readers' Ages (was Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 08:00:38 PST
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Oh, I think there's tons of artists (ranging from producers of comics to
producers of movies and TV shows to producers of pretty much anything that
requires an audience) who have developed significant contempt for their
audience.  The concept that "They wouldn't know quality if it came up and
bit them on the ass."  The unfortunate aspect--if we can judge by the 
failure of many worthy projects because no audience was found, and the
success of many unworthy projects because people flocked like sheep--is that
there's a kernel of truth in this attitude.

But where an artist fails himself, and his audience--and where he or she
becomes contemptible--is when the artist says, "They wouldn't know quality
if it came up and bit them on the ass...and because of that, I'm not going
to give the work my best effort.  I don't care because they don't care."
That is a rotten attitude for any creator to have.

PAD
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: DC: Vertigo Preview
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:20:51 GMT

pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
> Laura Perkinson says:
> >	Someone PLEASE tell me that the guy who did the art in the Sandman
> >story won't be drawing the comic ever ever again! Lord that was wretched
> >looking stuff.
> 
> I wholeheartedly disagree.  Kent Williams is my favorite artist so far.
> I wish they would have used his depiction from the very start and get
> rid of that cartoony fright wig Dream's been wearing (yes, I know Neil
> draws Morpheus this way too).  I'm really tired of having the art ruin
> the story for me.

While I won't say that Williams' art was the BEST Sandman art I've
seen, I enjoyed it imensely and would welcome seeing him draw some
more Sandman issues.  His interpretation is intriguing.

> What else has Kent Williams done?

Um, let's see.  Moonshadow (he filled in on a few issues for Jon J.
Muth and then assisted him in the last few), Blood (A MUST if you like
Williams' art), Meltdown (the Havok Wolverine storyline w/ Jon J.
Muth.  Muth did all the Havok art, Williams did all the Wolverine art.
An intriguing collaboration, and worth the effort to find.  Story is
terrible, art is lovely.).  Those are his only three series that I
know of, but a sketchbook of his is available from Tundra, and he did
the covers to Hellblazer for awhile.
  Anyone know of any other Williams' appearances?

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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why Vertigo?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:23:53 GMT
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In article <DAN.93Jan8150359@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>Unless Vertigo is offering creator-ownership  (which I doubt,
>considering Swamp Thing is one of the titles, and that's been a real
>cash cow for DC lately everywhere but in comics) then it can only
>provide the illusion of change.  

Look at the character copyrights in the vertigo preview. Seems like new
characters are creator owned (Mercy, Enigma, Sebastian O), while old
characters are DC owned (mostly).

Its not an either-or thing. There's no way DC will (nor should they) 
give up rights on characters they already own. But it seems that talented
creators will be able to get ownership of newly created characters. 

Moreover DC has published creator-owned stuff before : look at Ms. Tree. Also,
I think much of the Piranha Press stuff that DC does is creator owned.

One final comment : about the "illusion of change". I'm interested in
entertaining stories. In most circumstances, I could care less who owns
them. If DC will publish them (regardless of who owns them), then I'll
go there. If not, I'll go elsewhere. 

Abhijit
From: alejandr@phakt.usc.edu (Ruiz Alejandro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:56:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Just from the top of my mind: Ronald Reaan is in Batman: 10 nigths of the
Beast. The Ayatolah Khomaini and Ronald Reagan are again in Batman: A Death
in the Family.
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (spoilers)
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:09:09 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1ijuv3INNdna@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> Spoliers
> 
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> 
> Well it looks like the clone theory will be a reality. The project
> head of the Camdus Project had Superman's body stolen from his tomb,
> and will be attempting to clone him using the same methods they used
> to heal the Guardian. There was much debating as to if it would work
> since the Guardian was still alive when the process was done, and they
> wouldn't have to mind to put in the new body. Dubilex may be able to
> project a Superman persona into the clone, from past mind melds with
> Superman. Also they can't figure out how to get a DNA sample since
> Superman is still invulnerable.

But did you notice that when the doctors said he was still invulnerable,
the Guardian was VERY surprised.  Perhaps he realizes that Superman can't
really be dead if his mind is still creating his invulnerability.

Mark Balbes
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:41:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.162025.18972@news.nd.edu> mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>
>|> Was there any previous usage of these and other 30th cantury cuss words before
>|> LHSv4, or have we ever been given any indication what they mean?
>
>'Swounds!

Will you people shut the kid up? Kidding hell...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Vertigo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:37:20 GMT

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned:

In the Sandman excerpt of the Vertigo preview, the writer in question is
up late at night, watching a movie with "Jimmy Stewart...and Kim Novak...
and maybe she's dead."  This is, of course, the plot of _Vertigo._  Smartly
done.
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From: dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay)
Subject: Re: Cerebus
Organization: Thinkage, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:20:24 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>     If Cerebus isn't in violation of good taste by not wearing any pants, how 
>can he have sex? (Okay, maybe this doesn't belong in the FAQ. }->)

	1) Fur
	2) Maybe that's *not* a tail...
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From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

>Has anyone else noticed how Marvel has been reviving all of its 70's
>characters? 
>Let's see: Tomb of Dracula, Ghost Rider, Morbius, Warlock, and now Hellstrom.
>At this rate, it can't be long before we see _Master of Kung Fu_ coming back
>again...

Yeah, next thing you know Iron Fist will get his own book!

					Jamesa Willer
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From: hinrichs@next.santafe.edu (bRant Hinrichs)
Subject: Re: Comic Cover GIF's
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:22:42 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

In article <1993Jan8.184753.17306@gca.com> faill@gca.com (Peter Faill)  
writes:
> 
> 1st Question:  Do people enjoy seeing these covers?
> If not, I'll stop posting.  If they do, I'll continue posting
> other interesting stuff from the 50's.
> 
> Pete
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count me IN as being interested in such covers from the 50'!!


bRant
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:43:48 -0500 
From: Harith Jameel Alkhafiz <ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ways to bring Superman back

My manager at Electronics Boutique suggested this, and I don't know if
it's been addressed before.  Superman's solar-powered, right?  Well,
they could just launch a transparent spacecraft containing Superman's
body into a low solar orbit.  All that solar energy at that close range
might just kick Superman's body into a regenerative state, healing him. 
Of course, the spaceship should include enough oxygen for Superman's
flight back to Earth.  Makes sense, doesn't it?

Jameel
Physicist-At-Large
Kid Kirby, net.hero

P.S.  Maybe the spaceship should be blue with the Superman symbol on the
front, and two extendable metal hands :-)

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: What if...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:31:43 GMT

royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>Well, because of Marvel Comics' Editorial Rule #3445:
>"Every female character has to have boobs. The bigger, the better. For a model,
>check Jean Grey. Percentage of success with the with of your breast-drawings
>will be determined by the percentage of your tits when compared to Jean's.
>If lacking Jean Grey's pictures, just take a watermelon."

Weren't Power Girl's breasts larger than her head at at least one
time?  It reminds me of the SNL where Dolly Parton was hosting... they
had one sketch, the "Planet of the Enormous Hooters" where she was
exiled to Earth because her breasts were so pitifully small.  "Why,
they're only the size of melons!"
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
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Subject: (WS) Does anyone read Japanese comics?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:03:31 GMT
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Hello folks,
 
I was just wondering... is there anyone who actually reads the
translated Japanese comics, by Viz, Dark Horse, etc.?  I don't
mean readers who are anime or manga fans, but comics fans,
whose experience of Japanese comics is minimal.
 
The reason for posting this is wanting to know whether Japanese
comics are making inroads into the American market, or is it
only the anime and manga crowd buying them.  Also, what are the
most popular amongst these people?
 
Please post to the board.
 
Thanx muchly in advance.
 
Widya Santoso
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: SUPERMAN RETURNS AS FOURSOME CONFIRMED BY DC ON ET
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:56:10 GMT

Sorry about the all caps.

On Entertainment tonight we got to see some of the new art for Superman's 
"Return" from the dead.  It goes like this.
     Pa Kent dies, and meets Kal at the Gates Of Whatever.  The two draw on 
each other's strength and love for each other and return to the land of the 
living.  But there must be a difficulty in Kal's return because:
     Four people (Teenager, Steel Worker, Warrior and Alien Cyborg) with 
Superman-level powers surface, each claiming to be Supes.
     Apparently Superman does not reinhabit his own body on returning (or maybe
fails to return) but instead one or all of these bodies.  Eventually it will be
resolved which, if any, are the real Supes.
     They showed outline drawings of the four Supermans, as well as scenes from
(presumably) FFAF/8 in "Heavenorwherever".  Ye Editor Carlin was the one who 
outlined this all in an interview.
     Dave Van Domelen, live with it...Superman will.
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Cerebus: the Starters?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:09:49 GMT

In article <1ic4n9INNsu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
> 
> Swoon Snuff Sorry Spawn Silly Satyr Salty Scamp
> Scare Scowl Screw Segue Sacred Sallow Schlep
> 
> At this point I get bored.  Feel free to continue.

From a previous posting, and in order of age:

	Shit Happens
	Snuff
	Swoon
	Smash
	Slobber, and her twin sister Sulk
	Spaz  (originally named Spiffy)
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: (WS) Does anyone read Japanese comics?
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:59:27 GMT

In article <C0ptp0.Kzv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:
>
>>Hello folks,
>> 
>>I was just wondering... is there anyone who actually reads the
>>translated Japanese comics, by Viz, Dark Horse, etc.?  I don't
>>mean readers who are anime or manga fans, but comics fans,
>>whose experience of Japanese comics is minimal.
>> 
>>The reason for posting this is wanting to know whether Japanese
>>comics are making inroads into the American market, or is it
>>only the anime and manga crowd buying them.  Also, what are the
>>most popular amongst these people?
>> 
>>Thanx muchly in advance.
>> 
>>Widya Santoso
>
>Well, before I got really into anime, I had picked up 2001 Nights,
>from Viz, becasue I loved the art.  I had flipped through lots of translated
>manga, but that was the onyl one I bought.  Oh, and I have lots of Akira
>from epic (Marvel), both in english and in Spanish (big magazine size pages.
>I couldn't resist.  I lived in Madrid at the time, and they were ahead of 
>the epic issues I had bought before I went over there.).  I had seen the
>fiurst 30 minutes of AKIRA on spanish tv, adn really went all out looking
>for the issues.  It was the first real anime I had seen (I do not count
>Robotech.).
>
>And I had one issue of 3x3 Eyes from Innovation, becasue it looked interesting.
>But I haven't read the rest yet, tho I now have the OAVs.

As for me, I have (most of the) boxed sets of AKIRA done by Kodansha and
Marvel. In addition to having three issues in each box, it had a booklet
that translated the English dialogue into Japanese (I compared it to the
AKIRA big paperbacks sold in Japan and there were definite differences). I
also own, the first five AKIRA collections from Japan (and I missed
getting the last one by a few months!)

From VIZ Comics, I have most all of SILENT MOEBUIS BOOK 1, and have read
most of BOOK 2. (I also have the black-and-white Japanese
collections--great practice!)

Jay (=