HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton's Address??
Keywords: clinton motss politics
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:25:27 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:

>          ...Unfortunately I don't have a mailing address for Clinton, and I'm
>sure there are other people who need it too.  Could somebody please post an
>address?  (NOT 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. - yet :)

I know the US Mail has its problems, but nevertheless feel
fairly confident that a letter addressed to

          The Honorable Bill Clinton
          Governor's Mansion
          Little Rock, Arkansas

would probably find its way there, even without a street
address or a ZIP code...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Article 68036 of soc.motss:
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Cesspool
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:37:10 GMT
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

cbe (cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote:
: Further, the purchase of some electronic equipment from Hewlett-Packard 
: will be cancelled.  Their sales representative will be certainly told 
: the reason. 

Please write HP corporate as well.  [The sales rep, particularly if he
is homophobic, may not pass on your comments].

The name & address are:
  Hewlett-Packard
  [Try public relations or, if you want to go to the top, Lew Platt, CEO]
  3000 Hanover Street
  Palo Alto  CA  94303

FYI, HP did not make any public statements on either the Colorado or
Oregon initiatives.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------


Article 68183 of soc.motss:
From: wanek@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wanek)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Cesspool
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:55:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In soc.motss, cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:

> >defeat Prop 2.  I don't think I'll be visiting Colorado any time soon.
> 
> withdrawing from their fund.  I have further written to the Aspen Music 
> Festival explaining why I shall not be attending this year nor 
> contributing to their fund.  Further, the purchase of some electronic 
> equipment from Hewlett-Packard will be cancelled.  Their sales 
> representative will be certainly told the reason.  I've always 

I would like to point out that HP includes sexual orientation in it's 
non-discrimination policy, which is not affected by Amendment 2.
So buy HP.


> preferred the Tetons anyway.
> 
> Colburn Eigen                                H|u> = E|u>

john


Article 68076 of soc.motss:
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Colorado Addresses
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:36:02 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>Another list that would be good to have would be addresses
>of large corporations (like Coors) that have their
>headquarters in Colorado.

This just came from the NOGLSTP mailing list:
_____

I'm crossposting this to as many lists as I have addresses for.  I
believe the one for Gaynet has changed, so this may not go thru.

There has been talk on many networks about the boycott to Cut Off
Colorado for passing this heinous anti-gay, anti-human rights amendment.
After looking in my handy consumer guide from the ...yes...Consumer
Information Center, Pueblo, Colorado, I found these companies either
located, headquartered or having customer service centers in Colorado.

1. Coor Brewing Co, Golden, CO  1-800-642-6116
   Golden, CO 80401

2. Current, Inc., Colorado Springs, CO 1-800-525-7170
   POB 2559, Colorado Springs, CO 80901

3. Diners Club International, Englewood, CO 1-800-525-9135
   183 Inverness Dr. West, Englewood, CO 80112

4. Walter Drake and Sons, Colorado Springs, CO (719)-596-3140
   Drake Bldg., Colorado Springs, CO 80940-0001

5. Manville Corp. 1-800-654-3101
   PO Box 5108, Denver, CO 80217-5108

6. Teledyne Water Pik  1-800-525-2774
   1730 East Prospect St., Ft. Collins, CO 80553-0001

7. Vicorp Restaurants  (303) 296-2121
   400 W. 48th Ave, Denver, CO 80216

8. US WEST, Inc. 1-800-usw-help
   Orchard Falls Bldg., 7800 E. Orchard Rd., Englewood, CO 80111-2533

9. Consumer Information Center  719-948-4000
   Pueblo, CO 81009 (our tax dollars at work in KKKlorado)

The CO state travel bureau's number is:  1-800-433-2656

Living in the South, many of these companies are unknown to me.  For
instance, what are Vicorp Restaurants the owners of??  Unfortunately,
I also don't have a Diners Club card to cut up.

But, these are apparently some of the big companies that support
in part the Colorado economy.  Expressing outrage over this amendment
and withholding business to any CO company may make a dent as it did
with Arizona and South Africa.

Also, I am approaching my professional organization to have CO removed
from states where we will have meetings.

Any other ideas/companies to influence Colorado thru?  It is unfortunate
that such an economic boycott also affects our g/l/b brothers and sisters
and strayt supporters in CO.

Take care all

______________________________________________________________
   Jeff Jones                         JAJONE02@ukcc.uky.edu
   University of Kentucky


       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold


Article 68279 of soc.motss:
From: jcagle@marakesh.cary.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: COLORADO CALLING! Here's what you can do (PLEASE!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:45:30 GMT
Reply-To: jcagle@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM PRGS - Cary, NC
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers


Another number to call (courtesy of Neil Abernethy):

Colorado Chamber of Commerce     (303) 892-1112


Jay
    jcagle@vnet.ibm.com


Article 68292 of soc.motss:
From: misek@solbourne.com (Steve Misek)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: COLORADO -- facts without misspellings
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:05:45 GMT
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com



Lets try this again... I didn't realize my brain was on hold when I typed
it in, and the number of misspellings drove me crazy...  :-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many people wrote back to me and asked for more facts, and asked what they
can do.  I called The Equal Protection Campaign (EPOC) and asked them exactly
that question, the following summarizes that information.  Also, PLEASE! call
your local community papers and fax them this information so that we can get
this information to as many people as possible.

1. PLEASE CALL OUR GOVERNOR AND VOICE YOUR SUPPORT

	Gov. Roy Romer
	303-866-2471

	The other side is inundating him with calls, we need to turn the
	tide.  Romer is VERY supportive of our campaign, and needs to hear
	from people in our state and other states that he is supported.

2. Please follow that up with a note to the Governor, to thank him for
	supporting our cause.

		Governor Roy Romer
		136 State Capitol
		Denver, Colorado   80203

3. The current campaign was fought by EPOC (Equal Protection Campaign)
	If you would like to support their campaign (The No on 2 campaign)
	they'd love to hear from you (and funds would be appreciated as well)

		EPOC
		P.O. Box 300476
		Denver, Colorado   80203

		303-839-5540 (office)
		303-839-1361 (fax)

		Make checks out to: EPOC

4. The next campaign will be fought in the courts.  Lambda legal defense has
	already started gearing up for the colorado and national fight:

		Lambda Legal Defense Fund / Colorado Initiative
		CLIP (Colorado Legal Initiative Project)
		P.O. Box 44447
		Denver, Colorado  80201

		Make checks out to: Lambda Legal Defense/Colorado Initiative

More information as I receive it:

steve misek
misek@solbourne.com
misek@parcplace.com


Article 68353 of soc.motss:
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Summary: Here's some more...
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:33:47 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

In article <1992Nov6.004720.11051@craycos.com> mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish) writes:

[List of companies in the springs deleted]

Some other names...

Gov. Roy Romer
State Capital Bldg
Denver, CO  80202

Romer has been against this thing all along, and held a press conference
as soon as it passed, saying that the State would fight it tooth and nail.

Janus Group Of Mutual Funds
100 Fillmore STE 300
Denver, CO  80206

I would say that upwards of 40% of the work force (including myself) are
gay.  Janus has always been a big supporter of the local AIDS Walk.

USWest Corporation
1-800-usw-help

USWest was one of the first, if not the first, corporation to speak out
against #2.  USSPrint is one of their subsidaries, I believe...

Mayor Wellington Webb
City & County Bldg
Denver, CO  80202

Mayor Webb has also always been against #2.

Gay & Lesbian Community Center of Colorado

GLCCC
PO Drawer E
Denver, CO  80218
(303)831-6268
(303)837-1598

The GLCCC is currently handling money for the fight against amendment #2.
Call them and ask how _you_ can send a donation!

--
=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC=
=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza.  OK???=
=You know, Colorado has a lot more to fear from a RadiKalFeministLesbianBitch =
=like me than I have to fear from either Colorado or "Them".  Carpe Diem! FWA!=


Article 68433 of soc.motss:
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:59:33 GMT
Organization: -

Odd timing but I received a copy of "Colorado Cyclist" in the mail
today.  It looks to be fairly high quality catalog of cycle clothing,
accessories and bikes.  I do spend spend a significant amount of my
disposable income on cycling paraphernalia and cycling tours. 
Fortunately "Colorado Cyclist" has included a postage paid envelope for
me to use to explain this and why I won't be purchasing anything from
their catalog or be touring in their state this year.

If you'd like to not order something too, I'm sure you can request a
catalog from their toll free number, 1-800-688-8600 or if you don't
mind paying the postage write:

	The Colorado Cyclist
	3970 E. Bijou Street
	Colorado Springs, CO 80909-9946

Be sure and send a copy of your letter to the Colorado Springs chamber
of commerce.  The address is back a few posts.

Jim

P.S. If you are in cycle club see if you can get them to send a
letter on the club letterhead to the Colorado Bureau of Tourism. 
Cycling is *big business* in Colorado.  It supports many of the ski
towns in the off season.


Article 68529 of soc.motss:
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Adresses ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:11:12 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

Yet another CO company:  Journal Graphics.  Yes, folks, they're the ones
that print up transcripts of EVERYTHING.  They're address is:

	Journal Graphics
	1535 Grant St.
	Denver, CO  80203
	(800) 825-5746
	(303) 831-9000

For those posting addresses & phone numbers, could you also post
fax numbers?  


======================================================================
"For I can see that in the midst of death, Life persists; in the
midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
persists."
                                      Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
Michael Lax, 12514 Esplanade St., #B, Austin, TX  78727-4409
512.837.1596 (h), 512.836.9715 (fax)


Article 68748 of soc.motss:
From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Adresses ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Just saw an ad for Colorado tourism on cable. If you want further
information about Colorado, they offered a phone number

	1-800-COLORADO

Now you can call them at their expense and ask about the climate for
gay and lesbian travelers.

-- 
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." Dan Quayle to Jenny Craig

STEVE SCHOCHET\af244@cleveland.freenet.edu\af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm


Article 68883 of soc.motss:
From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.211035.5742@ncar.ucar.edu>
  vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>"Occasionally has gone so far"?  Hell, that's my number one criterion!
>I see no reason to even bother having coffee with a man who doesn't
>like cats (or who is allergic to them).

*snigger*  I can see it now.  rec.pets.cats.personals

Hey Vicki -- wanna go have some coffee?

-- 
| Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu)                      |  USPA B-14993
| New Mexico Tech / National Radio Astronomy Observatory |      DoD #387
| P.O. Box O / Socorro, NM 87801   (505) 835-7391        | 
Support the League for Programming Freedom   (info from lpf@uunet.uu.net)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:05:44 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) wrote:
>If you wish focused political discussion, there are plenty of mailing lists and
>other newsgroups for that.  I, for one, amd glad that motss is a place for
>queers talking queerly... and that includes, recipes

Oh, Goody!  Just the other day I had a sometimes motsseur over for
dinner and for homemade key lime pie.  It really is simple.  Combine
a 14-oz. can of sweetened condensed milk and four egg yolks.  Add
3 - 4 oz. of key lime juice(*) mixing until well-blended.  Pour
into a graham cracker pie shell and refrigerate.  Bake at 350F for
a few minutes if desired.  So easy!

* The tough part is finding Key Lime Juice, lime juice just will not do.
If it's green, it's fake.  Key limes are yellow.  It's gonna be tough
finding a key lime tree that didn't blow into the Gulf (I had some saved
up).

Anyone else?

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Oprah 11/19
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:17:08 GMT

In article <KhG=Wj_@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>actively jumped, as far as I'm concerned.  But some snarks are boojums.
                                                     ^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^

Pardon me, sir, but are you speaking some new language here?  Or are you
rewriting English by adding words of your own?

Or am I just ignorant and behind the times . . .

[I hope I am not about to be really embarrased]

Hugs n kisses to all

Darren
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:39:05 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.173734.7846@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>For starters, nobody knows how many gay people there are --
>not even the not in the closet gay identified variety.  How
>then does one estimate their voting patterns or income or
>toilet paper preferences?

A few hundred well-chosen phone calls and a very well
designed questionnaire instrument can indeed tell you a lot
about any population you want to look at.  You can, if you
work at it, determine within about three percent how many
closeted gay men buy "green" toilet paper or any other
cockamamie statistic you want.  Randomizing the sample is
not difficult, but the questionnaire is *really* tough.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:54:45 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <Bxtz9A.CM4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> 
cssam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Minor) writes:
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> >In article <1e726dINNcnn@mizar.usc.edu>, 
> >adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
> >> "Am I boring you, darling?"

That, by the way, is apparently what Marlene would always
say to people who were shocked into speechlessness when
she recounted her sexual history to them.

[...]
> >As per Lilly Tomlins fabu spoof of "Babawa Wawa intewviewing Mawena
> >Deetweek.  How ah you, Mawena?  ---Oh, I'm fine, thank you, Babawa"
>
> Ummm, pardon me, but I believe it was the devine Gilda Radner as Babawa
> Wawa and guest star Madeleine Kahn (pardon the spelling) as Mawena
> Deetweek.  I pretty sure about this, but it's possible I'm mistaken.

No, of course you're right.  But then you should consider
the source -- he's someone who thinks that Mary Pickford was
a glamorous movie star in the Gloria Swanson/Pola Negri/Mae
Murray mold.

Arne
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:49:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.003751.15111@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
A. Thomas) wrote:
 
> > This boycott is *already* a flop.  Mr. Williams posted something
> > which is far more likely to have an impact - and it is the
> > exact *opposite* of what the TT's of soc.motss are calling for.
> 
>   I would say that the rumors of its death are greatly exaggerated.

When the Arizona vote took place against MLK b-day, the opposition
was ready the *immediately* with a boycott.  And it was not
just black organizations who went in on it.  In the case of Louisianna,
the 'opposition' was just about the entire country, and the threats
were in place well before the vote even occured.  In the case of 
Colorado, it's very much a one group thing, and that group is divided.
And it's been a couple of weeks since the vote.  And there is still
no coherent 'Word from Above' on the status of this 'boycott.'

It's dead, Jim.  Or at least metabolically challenged.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: gay culture
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:15:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.233158.11847@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>I went to talk to my English TA about my gay culture paper today (I posted
>something earlier about my paper).  She so graciously pointed out that
>there are many very conservative people in my class, and that one of these
>people might be the person grading my paper.  (We grade each other's papers
>in this class)  She told me that I should either write about part of gay
>culture that would not offend even the most close-minded people, or that I
>should choose another topic.  How does she expect me to write about any
>aspect of gay culture and still offend no one?  I think what she was really
>wanting me to do was to choose another topic.  Well, she can get over it. 
>This is what I want to write about, and I don't care who I offend in my class.

Right on.

>season, wishing that she could pass Advance Expository Writing with at
>        least a B, but knowing that she is doomed to get the first C of
>        her life.

Don't give up, Season.  Especially if you think you've written a good
paper but received an inappropriate grade.  Should this occur, it's
clear that you can't count on the teacher for support, but has the 
class set up some kind of review-regrade system for this kind of
complaint?  If not, ask your campus ombudsperson or les/bi/gay
organization if there's some form of appeal for receiving a poor
grade due to grader prejudices.
And don't forget that 'gay culture' is one heck of a diverse topic
for any paper.  You may want to focus that a tad more.  Lord knows
my twink-culture doesn't overlap much with bear-bands, leather-
lovers or cross-dressing crowds (although I'm learning that more 
of my comrades have participated/do participate in the latter
than I had realized... Maurice looks just like Angela from _Who's
the Boss?_).
-paul

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul Hastings    paul@psych.utoronto.ca          545 Dovercourt Road
University of Toronto      416-978-3990          Toronto, Ont.  M6H 2W5
M. Mark: I can teach you to dance with no intoxication.  (yeah, right!)   
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48259 alt.politics.homosexuality:7356 co.politics:2178 co.general:1844 boulder.general:1062
From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,boulder.general
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:17:46 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: katmandu.solbourne.com

 dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
>
>My reply to this is the following:
>	   It's very possible that the reason the large towns
>	and ski areas took such strong action against CO2, and
>	voted against it is BECAUSE they feared a boycott.
>       ..................................................
>	   Now what happens if no boycott materializes?  That's
>	right.  These fair-weather gay rights supporters vanish.
>	I support the boycott.

    Now this is just plain stupid. Gee then it's very possible
 that every state in the union would pass such a law except they are 
 afraid of a boycott. So hey lets boycott everyone!! Who cares what 
 they do, _we_ know what they are thinking. 

    Y'all starting to sound nuts.

    Let's try this again...
   
    I did not vote for 2, the majority in my (Colorado based) company did
 not vote for 2, my city did not vote for 2 and my county did not vote
 for 2. So why do you want to punish me?

    This is an unconstitutional law, it will be thrown out, we all know it.
 So then I ask, is your boycott to convince the people of this state to 
 overturn the law? Or is it (as I suspect) drivin by a desire to punish?i

    

Newsgroups: soc.motss