From: silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: PLEASE READ! (look below dashed line) (was Re: SUPPLEMENTS!)
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:38:29 GMT
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Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Dec16.154239.325@HQ.Ileaf.COM> doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug) writes:

**The important stuff I want to say is blow all of these comments (past the
dashed line).

>Well, the problem I have with all of your research data slinging is that
>this data was collected in a lab setting, using pharmaceutical quality
>supplements. But what does this research data provide for the average
>*lifter/*builder? Almost nothing! You mention dosages for Chromium,
>well in your research, is the stuff sold at the local GNC the same
>as what was used in these lab experiments?

You can get good chromium picolinate at 200mcg per cap from TwinLabs.

>Remember the big news five or ten years ago about Argine and Lysine 
>increasing the release levels of one's Growth Hormone? Well there was 
>scientific data backing up this claim, however, unless you read through
>the actual study, you would have never known that the subjects were given
>the aminos intravenously, it was a pharmaceutical quality, and at a 
>dosage the average person could not afford. So in laymen's terms the
>supplements are BULLSHIT! They will not provide "claimed" results at
>the dosages recommended. 
>
>There is a good nucleus of people subscribed to this group that have 
>valuable information on supplements and supplement companies. Much 
>of this information is gather through personal use. I would much rather
>gather a consensus of personal testimonies about a particular supplement
>than listen to the "lab data", because unfortunately few supplement
>companies are providing us with pharmaceutical grade products. The final
>decision will be mine to make as to whether I try the supplement or write
>it off.

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What was just said above is what I'm trying to tell people.  Look, I used to
be suckered into all the supplement ads telling of incredible results.  We
all know that a lot of it is BULLSHIT (my favorite word).

The information I give out (whether documented or not) is information that
is good and reasonable.  I don't have to have documentation that anything
from Strength Systems is bullshit.  I know.  Why?  Because they try to sell
products to the public that can't be the real thing.  They sell a product
called Clenbuterol Plus.  Does it contain real Clen in it?  NO.  Clen is not
allowed for sale here in the US (not FDA approved for human use as far as I
know here in the US).

I don't work for SportPharma USA, so why do I keep saying dial 1-800....
Because they sell PHARMACEUTICAL QUALITY products.  They sell a damn good
product call Vanadyl Sulfate.  They have a 100% guarantee on it too for
satisfaction.

Do any companies give a 100% guarantee on chromium, boron, arginine, lysine,
etc.?  NOT!  These supplements just don't produce the results some people
really want.

I'm also tired of fighting people on the net.  It's okay to voice opinions,
but I can't stand when people challenge my credibility.  Maybe I'm not
always right, but I do not LIE to or mislead people.  I'm trying to cut
through all the crap.  I like to bring things down to a level that everyone
can understand.  I'm not here to impress anyone with my incredible knowledge
of a particular subject or use big words and biochemical terms that people
might not understand.

If I find info from a mag that I think should be known, I'll tell.  Thanks
for your attention.

							-Adam

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     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
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