From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: Re: "Pavlovic" and the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:52:26 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1ghb0hINNd52@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:

>>Are you somehow related to "Arromdian" of ASALA/SDPA/ARF? If you feel 
>>that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum 
>>you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to 
>>another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.
>>I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, 
>>lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan 
>>to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is 

>Ok, ok, I get the point.  Actually, I hadn't heard about the alleged Armenian
>massacre of Turks until I started reading your posts.  However, I must concede

Why not visit a library before you drivel?

>that like Hasan B-) Mutlu's articles, yours also evoke laughter in me.
>They are quite amusing,  especially the nicknames - like "sipa of delco", 
>"gav*0", "palik", "dandy", etc.  I think you tend to get a bit carried away
>though.

Those revisionists and pathological liars will receive what they deserve. 
They apparently think they can cover up the Armenian Genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people in public and not be called to account. Not a chance.

>And let me make it clear to you that I am in no way 'related to "Arromdian" of 
>ASALA/SDPA/ARF', as you put it.

And from now on, please go to the library before you visit me.

Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

 "When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster 
  of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular 
  Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of 
  these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer.
  These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more
  than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in 
  the eastern vilayets of Turkey."

Source: "U.S. Library of Congress:" 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence
Container #34.

 "While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
  pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages
  against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying
  their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus
  have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to 
  govern or handle other races under their power."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin 
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918). 
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881.
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document
 numbered 1869.

"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
 with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
 in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
 withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
 massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
 in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
 selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
 were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
 being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part 
 of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
 cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
 from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
 in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
 Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
 exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
 Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
 that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
 in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
 on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
 left behind after their occupation of this area."
 
Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)