From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:21:43 GMT

In article <93010.1355462893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>There's a difference between what Communists say socialism  isand what
>socialists say communism is. This is my understanding, Classical marxists want
>the abolition of capitalism and it's replacement with a system run by and for
>the working class. Socialists want this done through parliament and by
>democratic evolution, Communists want it done through violent revolution.

Means and ends. Why don't you get off your high horse and admit that they
both want the same thing but are going about it differently.

>The NDP is not in favour of violent revolution and thus are not Communists,
>further more, the NDP does not call for the aboliton of capitalism but for
>making capitalism more equitable, thus they are not Marxists and in the
>Marxist use of the phrase they are not socialists but social democrats.

Social democrats or democratic communists? According to the NDP and their
ilk in this country, the state is God and individuals mean nothing.
Making capitalism more equitable - what the f**k is that supposed to mean.
Hard working people who are told that their hard earned money doesn't
belong to them - it belongs to "society". People who are told that it is
better to go on welfare than to get a job. People who are harassed and
thrown in jail for opposing the state.

Communism and socialism both espouse the same ideology - a system that will
solve all the world's problems. As a guy named Jesus tells us - we will
always have poor people. And unlike poor people 50 years ago - poor people
today have color tv's, and can spend welfare money on wasteful and anti-
social activities like buying beer and cigarettes. Poverty on the increase?
Maybe anti-social activities like single mothers on welfare who get pregnant
are making the problem worse. That's right - people are to blame for their
own problems.

If we cut taxes by 20% accross the board, we wouldn't need all of this
social junk. Healthy people wouldn't have to pay for all of those idiots
in the hospital who smoke a pack a day and are now dying of lung cancer.
That's right. People are to blame for their own problems. And its time
we stopped bankrolling them. Idiots who have liver problems because they
buy a case of beer a week. Let them die. I don't want to pay for these
idiots. Fat people - make 'em diet or cut off their health care. That
is right - make them pay. People who care for their health should stop
bankrolling those people who don't. 

And guys who get AIDS because they were too stupid not to put a condom on
their weenie or keep it inside their pants. Let them die. I don't want
to pay for idiots. Punish stupidity - not working people who care for
their health, who actually earn their own money and can look after
their families.

Maybe the destruction of the universal health care system is a necessity.
Or maybe a new rule - not that of wealth but that of health. In this
system idiots have no right to leech off the rest of us. Fat people
alcoholics and cigarette abusers - watch out. You are costing the system
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