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From: William_Ng@mindlink.bc.ca (William Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: ques: diving off vancouver
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:20:34 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I live in Vancouver and dive off the West Coast of Vancouver Island a fair bit.
Uclulet is on the West Coast and it is really nice both topside and underwater.
Most of my diving is done from a charter boat (Rendezous dive Ventures - they
are booked years ahead, by myself included).  We dive in the Broken Group (
part of Pacific Rim National Park) and many sites are excellent: rich in
invertebrate life.  It depends where you go.  If you like wrecks the Van Lene
(freighter that ran aground in 1972) is quite interesting, and can be a deep
dive.  It starts at 40 ft.  A lot of life grows on this wreck now. Lots of
fishes too.
The water can be cold.  My friends and I dive in drysuits these days.  August
is a good time to go, we expect decent weather.  A bonus is that six-gill
sharks often show up in certain areas during this time, and we look forward to
sightings.
I suggest that you drop in a dive shop and ask for advice.  Unfortunately I
can't name you anyone in Uclulet who can help, since I haven't been in that
town lately.  Ask where the good dive sites are.  If you go off on your own
without consulting anyone you could have a crappy adventure.  I did that in my
early days.  If I had a local dive magazine I'd give you a few names.
I was diving in the general vicinity a month ago (not far from the Van Lene,
actually) and visibility was 20-30 feet.  Underwater lights are very useful for
looking into holes and cracks in the rocks for wolf eels, octopus and small
creatures.  You pretty well need a boat or the services of a dive boat.
I'll be in the general area myself during that time for some excellent diving.
Hope this reply gets to you in time. /
From: steve@rapids.austin.ibm.com (Steve Unruh)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Virgin Islands: info wanted
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:35:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin
Originator: steve@rapids.austin.ibm.com


I'm looking for info on dive shops, dive sites and hotel arrangements for the
U.S Virgin Islands.  
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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: VIP/HYDRO & air fills?
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:48:34 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.234927.6145@herboid.uucp>, adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer) writes:
>schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>>   I have a Question regarding visual inspections and hydrostatic testing.  I
>>buy most of my scuba gear used, and most of my tanks were out of hydro when
>>I bought them.  So I took them to a testing station, had them hydro'd, They
>>passed (most do I've been informed).  Well when I have the tanks filled, some
>>air stations refuse to fill the tanks that had just been hydro'd.  Because
>>the tanks were not visualed.  As I was later informed by the hydro facility,
>>they visual all the tanks they test.  So why must a tank have a visual sticker
>>for the first year after hydro?  ...
>
>I was also told that new or freshly hydro'ed tanks don't really need a
>sticker when I bought a set of new tanks a few years back (which got
>hydro'ed this spring, so that sort of dates me as a diver), but they
>slapped VIP stickers on the tanks anyway (both times) to remove all doubt
>that they were okay.  IMHO this is a good thing to do.
>-- 
>Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides

We always slap a sticker on.  I've seen at least two fill stations check for
VIP dates, but not even look at the hydro!  So, if you get a hydro a For Divers
Only, the VIP is just considered part of the deal.

BTW, how hard is it to fake a VIP?  Get some stickers printed with all the
right words and slap 'em on your tank.  Of course, if someone calls you on 
it ...
>
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From: Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG (Karl Schutz)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: That Rodale magazine
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:09:33 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California


In article <1992Aug18.184045.14652@hubcap.clemson.edu>, mjs@hubcap.clemson.edu (M. J. Saltzman) writes:
> Does anyone know the real story of how DAN members came to get that
> new magazine from Rodale (is it Scuba Diving)?  I just noticed that 
> my "subscription" is only for 4 months.  I was wondering if it will
> keep coming when I re-up with DAN, or if it was just a marketing 
> gimmick and I'm going to start getting notices for renewals that I
> have to pay for. 

DAN's involvement with "Scuba Diving" is explained in DAN's publication "Alert
Diver," July/August 1992, page 2, in the "From the Director" article.  My
interpretation is that DAN members get "Scuba Diving" because their DAN members. 
Perhaps the Rodale Press marketing department figured that the DAN membership
profile would be a good target group to get the word out about "Scuba Diving."

However, no statement is made regarding the length of the free subscription.  
Since Rodale Press does not have the DAN mailing list, I would guess that the 
length of the free subscription would depend upon who's paying the cost of the 
third party distributor.  No definitive answer is given.  If it's DAN, I doubt 
that it will continue given DAN's stated current funding problems.  If Rodale 
Press is footing the bill, then maybe it will continue; I guess it depends upon 
the value of the good will generated by having DAN members speak about the 
quality, or not, of "Scuba Diving."  

According the the mailing label on my subscription, it's good for 1 year.  Who
knows after that?  As for your subscription being good for 4 months, I haven't
got a clue.  Are you a new DAN member?  Maybe it's tied into membership renewal
in January??  I seem to recall something about that in a recent DAN mailing, but
I'm not sure and I didn't keep it.

> Also, I never got the second issue, and they're all out at the
> publisher.  (Is it supposed to be monthly? 
> 

It's a bi-monthly publication.  The last issue, distributed in August, is for
July/August 1992.


-- 
Karl F. Schutz
PADI DM-50321
From: 73467.2574@CompuServe.COM (Andy Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: 20 l tank spec sheet
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:44:56 GMT

On Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:11:01 GMT parker@redx.washington.edu (Michael Parker)
writes in his message <1992Aug11.171101.23514@u.washington.edu>

MP> Recently, I have begun to participate in a local Technical Dive Team
MP> deep dive operations.  I am now very much interested in those 20 liter
MP> tanks that were advertised a while back.  Will someone please post the
MP> info on who I need to contact on obtaining some of these tanks?

Michael,
I have the spec sheet, waiver form, order form etc available now. Please
send me your fax number or mailing address and I get everything into the
mail to you. Time is getting short - please give it your immediate attention.

Andy

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: oivindt@fagmed.uit.no (Oivind Toien)
Subject: Re: Viking Neoprene Drysuits????
Organization: University of Tromso, Norway
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:46:32 GMT

> Goodday,

> Anyone ever heard of Neoprene drysuits made by Viking?
> When did they start making them (if they did)??

> Enquiring minds want to know

> The Mad Scribbler

Viking started making a model with a neoprene *hood* instead of the
latex one - I think about 2-3 years ago. Hav'nt heard about any
all-neoprene models.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd)
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:34:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.101658.6971@hellgate.utah.edu> rarobert@ursa9.cs.utah.edu (Robin Roberts) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.031442.4636@syacus.acus.oz.au> johng@syacus.acus.oz.au (John GriffithsMel) writes:
>>
>>The peole I used to dive with in the UK also all only used their suits no the
>>BC. I was wondering why you use your BC??. Down here I only use the dry suit 
>>in the winter :-)
>
>Why use your BC?  If your drysuit floods (i've seen it happen), it won't be
>much help as a bouyancy control device!  Admittedly, you can ditch your 
>weight belt, but that still may not be enough bouyancy to keep you on 
>the surface with a flooded suit.  In addition, since most people wear
>dry suits in cold water, you have a real hypothermia problem - not the
>best position to be in!  A BC might be the difference between a blown
>dive day (and expensive dry suit repair), or a trip to the hospital (or
>worse).

   How does using only your BC stop flooded suits?  How does it make a
   flooded suit warmer?  Everyone posting here on the side of using
   their dry suit for bouyancy control has stated that the BC should be
   used on the surface.

>
>Like i've said before - air in the dry suit is only for keeping warm and
>preventing squeeze.  Using the suit in lieu of a BC is asking for trouble,
>like having too much air in the suit... moving the wrong way...  and ending
>up in an uncontrolled ascent in the feet-up position. 
>(Can you say, "polaris missile"??)
>
>                            robin roberts

    The problem you cite is more likely to occur if you have to
    adjust air in two devices.  The accidents you mention are equally
    available to all divers.  Too much air in either will cause them.

    Steve
-- 
- Stephen M. Dodd, System Analyst, Oregon Extension Service
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sdodd@oes.orst.edu          Internet          Oregon State University
503-737-3550                                  Corvallis, OR 97331
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gcoppak@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: information on PENANG
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:58:36 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia


 I am planning a trip to penang and a little island called Lankowi
 any information about diving would be great i plan to go in November
for a couple of weeks
From: FKK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Mid - week diving
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:15:50 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I have been getting responses to my offer of mid week diving off of my
12' inflatable.  I will keep those responses and a couple of days before
going I will contact those who expressed an interest and perhaps
post on the net as well.  Then its first come first served.  Frank
From: fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Diving in the Mediterranean
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:00:33 GMT
Reply-To: fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



For whatever it's worth, I've dived in Italy around the
Amalfi coast and around the Aeolian islands, as well as
some diving/snorkeling around Elba, Porto S. Stefano,
and the Calabrese coast.  Expect
water temperatures around 16-18 C in May-June,
and as high as 23 C in July/August.

Visibility is much better than what I've seen in the Caribbean.
Access is easy, and no license is required.  Most shops will
rent you gear/fill your tanks without any certification.  If
you die, it's your problem, not theirs.

It is expensive.  Figure on at least 10000 LIt./fill and about
15000 LIt./day tank rental for a 15 liter/200 bar tank.

If you want, I have phone numbers of some dive shops, and
of a dive shop that operates a liveaboard in Lipari and that
you could contact.  Diving in the Aeolians is much better than
just about anywhere else in Italy (IMHO).

F.
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: Looking for Career info in Hyperbaric Medicine
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:08:29 GMT


Hi everyone - 

	I am posting this for my husband.  He read an article in Sources 
magazine regarding the need for people in Hyberbaric Medicine.  (hope I 
spelling this right...)  He is and EMT, has dive rescue training, is an 
assistant instructor (looking to be a dive master and/or instructor), and is 
very interested in this field.  

	Does anyone know of any educational programs aimed at delivering 
people with the necessary skills into this career?

	Thanx in advance,

	Chris R.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: certification in Jamaica: question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:01:47 GMT

I'm heading to Jamaica in september and I am not certified.
The reasons for this are many and hinge on my ignorance and
stupidity (to be humble)...

anyway, I wonder if anyone has any ideas (or first-hand knowledge)
about how much one could expect to pay for certification there
and how the quality of instruction would be.
recommedations would be wonderful as would any other advice on 
snorkeling sites and dive sites...

thanks for anything...
ps. you may e-mail me at tnickles@boulder.colorado.edu
or just post to this group
From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Article in Current _SCUBA Times_
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:49:38 GMT
Reply-To: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article 15229@odin.corp.sgi.com, mango@nova.esd.sgi.com (Eric Manghise) writes:
>In article <BtB3Cv.HwJ@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
>|> 
>|>      Then I stared in disbelief at the line "I was pretty sure I
>|> was the only person in the water that night for miles. I liked that
>|> thought."
>|> 
>|>      I think the article is a clear demonstration that stupidity
>|> (not to mention irresponsibility, for daring to condone the solo
>|> night/cold-water/wreck/current dive in Scuba Today) isn't just a
>|> sign of novice divers.  Marty's article shows that it can be a
>|> symptom of anyone, regardless of dive equipment, qualifications, or

I think Tim is out of order. As Eric states later, SOLO diving is a fact.
Perhaps if the article does not state that solo diving is considered to be
dangerous and is often frowned upon, THEN that would be something to flame 
the magazine about. NOT that solo diving was covered.

>
>	People are solo climbing mountains, kayaking down class IV and V
>	rivers, jumping out of airplanes, jumping off 400 ft high towers
>	with bungy cords attached to them, racing cars around tracks at
>	200mph+, skiing off cornices, are these people stupid. 
>	
>	It sounds like you have been totally indoctrinated into the world
>	of PADI which preaches never dive without a buddy, which is not
>	bad advice. 

Many/most/all of the certifiying agencies suggest that one always have a 
buddy to go diving, but I'm not sure if any agency attempts to mandate it.
Of course, I could be wrong, as I believe PADI attempts to mandate that 
graduates of their OWI course can only dive to 60 ft or less.

As long as a solo diver is not out to hurt you, leave him/her alone 
(i.e. Freedom of choice). What right does anyone have to tell an experienced
diver that they are stupid? I think the words used to express you thoughts on
the matter show a lack of consideration and/or judgement. One could have 
suggested that the magazine/arthor include a "standard disclaimer" re solo 
diving.

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      Internet: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com

..SCUBA divers do it with depth...blub...blub...blub...
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From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Subject: Mask straps
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:13:17 GMT
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
Distribution: na

Does anyone out there have anything positive/negative to say about
those fancy masks straps that you can buy to replace the regular
plastic straps that come on your mask? (the "Slap Strap" is one brand
name). My buddy from last May had one - it was made of neoprene (neon
green). His had a "split", like regular mask straps, but I've seen
some in magazines that are more like a cup that fits over back of
your head.

I have a slightly leaky mask that only stays dry if the strap is
in the exactly perfect position. I'm hoping that one of these
replacement straps would help it stay seated better. But I'm looking
for some more comments from people who have tried them out before
I sink any money into one (I'm already going to have to shell out
more bucks for some more equipment before my next trip).
Other than the _slight_ leak problem (which is probably due to my
trying to breathe out through my nose), I love my mask. When it
stays clear, it's great.

BTW, my buddy recommended his - he spent more time watching me clearing
my mask than I did watching him. I was always apprehensive about mask
clearing in the pool. But not anymore - my mask skills sure did
improve after my first dives where I was 80+ feet down and had to get
it clear somehow :-)

-- 
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From: ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:20:45 GMT
	<Bt941n.CEt@sti.com>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>|> Not being a drysuit wearer myself its hard for me have any opinions on
>|> what is the proper way to control buoyancy. I do have one question and this
>|> may be simplistic, but why is there no exhaust valve on the ankle of a 
>|> drysuit. I know this adds a couple of more valves but...
> 
>I think the easy answer is "control."  How would you control a valve
>on your ankle?  You wouldn't want it venting automatically -- the air
>in your BCD provides bouyancy.  There's no way the easily reach down
>there, and some form of line up your side would have a multitude of
>problems.

How about a preset dump valve?  It could be set to blow before the suit
did or at some much lower pressure, to be determined empirically, that
would allow sufficient differential for squeeze control but nothing over.

-peter
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill)
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio, USA
	<1992Aug13.132914.24054@hellgate.utah.edu>
	<1992Aug18.061702.28264@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:40:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.061702.28264@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd) writes:

     Anyway, much of the motivation for my earlier postings about dry
     suits and bouyancy control are related to observations of and
     conversations with professional divers who don't even use a BC
     when diving dry suits.  I have heard that european divers are
     known to dive this way as well.

     Anyway, a well weighted diver in a dry suit (light) can most
     easliy adjust bouyancy when carryining the minimum wieght.  As
     such the dry suit itself offers all the bouynacy control
     required.  The BC only offers surface flotation to them.  Such a
     diver only needs small adjustments, at one valve, over a wide
     range of depths for squeeze.  It is assumed that such a diver
     would not casually flop over because of mismanagement of bouyancy
     in the suit.  I suppose experience has a lot to do with it.

For what it's worth, I asked around the Columbus, OH area (lots
of dry divers 'round here).  To a person, they agreed that

(1) The less weight the better
(2) The BC should be used only for surface floatation and
    should be fully deflated during the dive
(3) The drysuit should have only enough air to prevent squeezes

The basic idea is that with the BC deflated and a minimal amount
of air in the suit, you should be neutral.  As you descend, you add
air to the suit to compensate for the pressure change.  As you ascend, you
remove air from the suit to compensate for the pressure change.

Some other comments:

(1) A number of modern drysuits have bleed valves that help 
    off-gas the suit on ascent.
(2) Divers should occasionally practice recovering from an
    inverted position (head down, feet up).

Jon Vander Hill
jon@cas.org
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Subject: Re: Article in Current _SCUBA Times_
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 14:39:38 GMT

In article <174pncINN7m5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale) writes:
>
>I think that, whether or not you think solo diving can be safe, Marty and
>Scuba Today should have been more careful about how they discussed it.  It's
>one thing to say you went solo diving, and what precautions you took, and how
>you understood the danger.  This article seemed to say, "Solo diving is fun,
>much better than having some loser tagging along, I recommend it to everyone."
>Not only that, rather than saying how he planned the dive, the high currents,
>sharks, wreck, and night conditions are mere asides, AS IF he didn't plan
>for them at all...

I confess I haven't seen the actual article, but my impression was that
he concentrated on aspects other than the technical details of dive
planning, and I see nothing wrong with that. It is interesting to read
about the aesthetics and other non-technical aspects of diving. Why must
every article be be co-written by a techie and five lawyers?

Bill Mayne
From: udo@ubla.novalis.public.sub.org (Udo Blatzheim)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Sharm-el-Sheikh info
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8m
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:15:36 CET
Organization: home, sweet home

In article <1992Aug19.195321.13909@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>,
	munz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Munz) writes:
[...]
> Ras Mohammed: I'm not quite sure anymore if it's one of the world's
> best places to dive. It was an interesting dive (I just did one

I don't know why a lot of people say they must go to Ras Mohammed.  I
saw it and i think the time for  Ras  Muhammed is over.  In the south
red sea area are better diving places.

ciao,
  Udo
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From: berzins@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (David Berzins)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Dry Suit HELP!
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:34:01 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

Hi Guys...  I am in (or better yet WAS), in the process of trying to purchase a
dry suit.  After going to a local dive shop and looking an a couple Ultra Light
suits, he tells me I won't fit into a pre-made suit and would have to go
custom.  Now I didn't find this to odd, as I am a big guy.  But I was not
expecting him to tell me I could'nt get into an Ultra Light as there are no
companies on the market that sell custom Ultra Light dry suits!  He did however
tell me that I could get a custom neopren suit.  Now the whole reason for me
going dry is that I would like to get away from the neopren suits.  The suit I
was looking and (and liked) was a White's.  Does anyone out there have and
ideas or suggestions on what I should do?  Any help would be apprecaited.

Dave Berzins...

berzins@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca
Calgary, Alberta, Canada