HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /etc/passwd security (was Re: Who are you?)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:53:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: iitmax.1992Aug14.185323.5097
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

In article <1344@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
[A lot on Paranoid System-Defense(tm)

>For the record, I think that restricting user access in this fashion is
>ridiculous... but it is probably a real turn-on for control freaks. :-)

It has its advantages.  For instance, if you are a system administrator
for a system--especially where people pay for computer time--then the
restricted shell is an excellent way to disable user's account while still
allowing them to retrieve their files and mail before the account is
removed.

Regards,

Pred Bundalo

ps I wrote a much simpler version of rsh which executes commands only from
the /rbin directory.  It has no job control and no redirection, but it
does its job very nicely.

I can post it here if there is enough interest.  Meanwhile, I'll submit it
as psb-rsh.c.Z to raven.alaska.edu and maybe mwcbbs sometime next week.  It
runs on all versions of COHERENT 3.0 and above.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: stephen@glas.rtsg.mot.com (Stephen Shortland)
Subject: So how much does Coherent 4.0 cost?
Organization: Motorola CIG, Cork, IRELAND
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:57:16 GMT


Like most people who read this group I was attracted to Coh 4.0 by its
price - for $99.95 how can you go wrong? So I set about ordering a
copy. As I live in Ireland, I thought that it would be easiest and
quickest to order from the MWC distributor in the UK. I tried calling
the number given in the Coherent ads., but it turns out that this
number is not correct - a quick mail message to sales@mwc.com got the
right number for me.

When I spoke to the UK distributor, FISCO, they told me that they
couldn't take orders by phone, so they would send me an order form -
fair enough. It took two weeks for the order for to arrive - the post
mark tells me that it was posted one week after we spoke on the phone,
and it took a further week to make its way across the water. 

When I opened the order form I was shocked to see that FISCO were
asking 149.95 pounds sterling, plus 7.50 shipping, plus 17.5% VAT
(value added tax)! This makes a total of approx 185 pounds sterling,
or about 200 Irish pounds!

Compare this with the cost of $99.95 plus $35 shipping when ordered
directly from MWC. This translates to 76 Irish pounds, due to the
current deflated state of the dollar. (This is the exact cost - I got
my VISA bill this morning :-( ).

Therefore to order from the UK would have cost me an extra 124 Irish
Pounds, making the price more than 2.5 times the cost from the US. So
what would I get for all this extra money? Phone support from the UK-
not such a gread deal for me, as calling FISCO would mean expensive
international phone calls, and I plan to use Coh at home after work,
when I presume that FISCO would also be closed. Anyway with access to
netnews and mail to MWC I think that I have a much better source of
hands on experience :-)

So my money has gone to MWC directly - Now hopefully it will trun up
soon. My VISA card was debited a week ago, so I presume it is on its
was (Irish customs are probably having a look at it :-)

I would be interested in hearing what other distributors are charging
for Coh 4.0, and what they are offering in return....

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Subject: Re: Can COH read AT&T Unix disks?
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:37:22 GMT

Scot Silverstein MD (scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu) wrote:
: I have the AT&T SysV/386 3.2 C development set.
: Is there any way to allow COHERENT (4.0.1) to mount and read these disks?

Coherent can read diskettes I wrote on my Interactive 2.2, on an AIX 3.?,
SCO-UNIX as long as I used cpio or tar on the raw-device.
You cannot mount diskettes with filesystem.

: Would these binaries run?

Some may work, some won't. If these programs use shared memory then you can
say: Won't work.

Try it, it's the only way to figure it out. I did the same with some programs
I copied for testing from my Interactive machine. The chance is 50% as long 
as the binaries are in COFF-Format.

Cheers,

Joachim


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| Geschwister-Scholl-Str. 48 +----------------------------------------------|
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0.1; some bad things
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:32:35 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:
( lines deleted )
: #> # 4.0 has 2 curses libraries. libcurses.a is terminfo curses, libtermcap.a
: #> # is termcap based curses. Try to compile this with -ltermcap.
: #>
: #> Will do tonight.  A lot of makefiles will need changing.  I also tried
: #> recompiling Udo Munk's rogue port both with its internal curses and
: #> with the 4.0 curses library; they linked but crashed under 4.0.1,
: #> perhaps the termcap library will help here also.  The old 3.2 binary
: #> works fine.
: 
: The fix worked for the chess program.  It did not work for Herr Munks
: rogue port.  Nothing I tried works for that.  I'll let Udo worry about
: it.

Just for the case that my last posting about it doesn't came through:
add -VPSTR to the CFLAGS options in the Makefile and recompile it
with it's own curses emulation.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Seeing links
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:06:20 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:

> jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
> 
> : Is there a way to see what the links are between files on Coherent?
> : ls on the UNIX at UIowa shows them, but I can't find any reference
> 
> Here's a shell script that will print a list of plain files that have
> 2 or more links (actually 2 through 21, if you've got more links than
> that you'll have to add more -links parameters to the find command ).

> ---------------------cut here--------------------------------------------
> find . \( -links 2 -o -links 3 -o -links 4 -o -links 5 -o -links 6 -o \
>           -links 7 -o -links 8 -o -links 9 -o -links 10 -o -links 11 -o \
>           -links 12 -o -links 13 -o -links 14 -o -links 15 -o -links 16 -o \
>           -links 17 -o -links 18 -o -links 19 -o -links 20 -o -links 21 \
>        \) \
>           -type f -exec ls -i {} \; |\
> sort -n |\
> awk '{if ($1 != last) {print "";} print $0; last=$1;}'
> ---------------------cut here--------------------------------------------

A better way of doing this is

	find . -links +1 -type f -exec ls -i {} \; |\
	....

A numeric parameter to find can be prefixed with a + or - to indicate "greater
than" or "less than".

						- k
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"Jub'f Xvob?"
From: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org (Terry Bell N8HSP)
Reply-To: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tcp/ip for coherent
Date: 20 Aug 92 0:16:24 GMT
Organization: N8HSP Amateur Radio

friberg@mtu.edu (Kenneth W. Friberg @ Michigan Technological University) once wrote....
>I tried to send mail to Randy Wright about this, but it bounced.  I am
>trying to get an amateur radio BBS running using the sys5 ka9q package.
>Could you please make a copy of your sources, or diffs to an available
>source available?  Also, are the AX25 portions working, or haven't you
>worked on them?
>
>Thanks
>Ken Friberg n8pbe
>

My mail to Randy also bounced. All those wanting to run KA9Q on Coherent
let's stay in touch.

Toodles, Terry N8HSP
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From: wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Source for FTP available?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:13:04 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

> This originally appeared in comp.mail.uucp...
> 
> wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu () writes:
> 
> >Does anybody know where I can locate source code for FTP?  I am running
> >Coherent 4.0 and it does not provide FTP.
> 
> Let us know when you port it...
> 

Actually, I called MWC today about TCP/IP and FTP support.  They told me 
that they had just hired somebody to port TCP/IP to Coherent for release 
4.1.  When questioned if they would be including FTP, the response was, 
"We have been discussing that in technical meetings lately."  Not a 
definite answer one way or the other.  If you are a user, I'd suggest 
calling them and plugging FTP.

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| Wayne Desmond                     | Happily using and working (read:  |
| OS/2 Consultant/Programmer        | earning a GOOD living) with       |
| (wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) | OS/2, since version 1.1.          |
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From: wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Anybody have Intel SatisFAXion board / Coherent?
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:06:14 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I would like to know if there are any Coherent users that own an Intel 
SatisFAXion board.  I own one and have been working on a Coherent driver 
for it.  Modem support only.  Just curious if anybody else is using this 
hardware/software combination.  Please feel free to e-mail me on this.
Thanks.

+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Wayne Desmond                     | Happily using and working (read:  |
| OS/2 Consultant/Programmer        | earning a GOOD living) with       |
| (wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) | OS/2, since version 1.1.          |
+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: rob@netcom.com (Robert Rogers)
Subject: How good is the "vi"?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:00:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Keywords: vi editor expressions junk

I'm really thinking hard about buying coherent 4.0, but I have one
thing holding me back - how good is the version of vi that comes with
it?

I've used stevie, calvin, and elvis 1.2 and was totally unimpressed.
Most of the :set options are missing, and the regular expressions (the
real powerful ex stuff) were totally junk (no/limited global, etc.).
It seemed like each one was missing different pieces - maybe if
somebody put all the features into one?

Somebody at MWC said one of the programmers loved elvis 1.7 (comes
with 4.0?). Is it that much better? Am I going to have to use emacs all
the time for it to feel like "real" *nix?

I'm currently living with the MKS toolkit at home, and it is by far
the best non-AT&T/BSD vi I've ever used. I could live with that
forever if I could have long filenames.

While I'm at it, will it work with my disk setup:
120MB drive for DOS, 212MB for *nix, both IDE's with the 120 as master?
Does it help to partition (root, /usr, /tmp, /etc) like in "real" *nix?

Eagerly awaiting your reply (with Visa in hand)

Rob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit release?
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:24:05 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <lentz.713799866@charm.gandalf.ca> lentz@gandalf.ca (Jim Lentz (Wheeling Tech Support)) writes:
>In <9208122006.51@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>In article <BssDt6.3qy@edefix.han.de> edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim) writes:
>>>X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
>>>
>>>aph@oclc.org (Andrew P. Houghton) writes:
>>>: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>>>: : dennis@fnbc.com (Dennis Box ) writes:
>>>: : 
>>>: : > Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit release?
>>>: : > 
>>>: : > Well?
>>>: : 
>>>: : Just as soon as I receive my update, I promise to post lots of first, second
>>>: : and third impressions.
>>>: : 
>>>: 
>>>: I have been running 4.0 for about a week.  I think they rushed it too
>>>: soon.  I crashed it several times.  Once I booted my machine cold it
>>>: got thru "loading Coherent" and the file system check then /bin/sh
>>>: died and trashed my file system.  Reinstall from scratch.  The uucp
>>>: directions in the book for uuinstall don't work.  I followed them to a
>>>: tee, no go.  However the ones for manual install only have a few
>>>: gotchas in them.  So I was able to get uucp up and connect to mwcbbs.
>>>: Now I am trying send mail and its keeps getting rejected with an error
>>>: 68 or something.  I tried to look it up in the manual but of course
>>>: its not there.  I the course of testing mail I got some message "bad
>>>: arenea" and could not execute any other program.  Tried to look that
>>>: up and nothing doing.  I happened to be logged in as root at the time,
>>>: so rather that trash the file system I tried to execute shutdown.
>>>: Same message.  For shits and grins I tried exec shutdown and that
>>>: worked.  So I concluded it could not fork.  Tried to use Lex.  I typed
>>>: a program right out of the book in the tutorial, I think page 220, and
>>>: it did not produce the same results... Life goes on and I suspect that
>>>: I will encounter more... Andy.
>>>: -- 
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>>>: 6565 Franz Road                                Voice:     (614) 764-6003
>>>: Dublin, Ohio  43017-0702                       Fax:       (614) 764-6096
>>>
>>>I'm running 4.0 since the early 'developers edition' days, and it NEVER
>>>crashed or trashed a file system. It is my news and mail host, running
>>>Cnews, tin and elm, and does this job (including uucp) without a glitch.

>>Same here.

> Same here, except I can't use virtual consoles. In reading the manual I believe my
>keyboard is not 100% compatible. Anyone have this problem besides me?


I had this problem.  I replaced my keyboard with a Northgate Omnikey/101.
Now I can use virtual consoles.  This keyboard is great.  It has switches
to allow changing the ctrl, alt, and caps lock keys.  They include new
keycaps. 

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0.1; some bad things
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:46:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:
: > 
: > Will do tonight.  A lot of makefiles will need changing.  I also tried
: > recompiling Udo Munk's rogue port both with its internal curses and
:                          ^^^^^
: > with the 4.0 curses library; they linked but crashed under 4.0.1,
: > perhaps the termcap library will help here also.  The old 3.2 binary
: > works fine.
: 
: BTW, Umoria 5.2 compiles fine if one comments out the call to user_name,
       ^^^^^^^^^^
: and writes a dummy check_input() always returning 0. Compile with -DUSG.
: This uses -ltermcap and -lcurses also and has no problems under 4.0.1.

What's this for a game, where can I get it without ftp?
I've ported moria and ularn for 4.0, they are on the way to MWC.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit release?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:46:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lentz@gandalf.ca (Jim Lentz (Wheeling Tech Support)) writes:
: In <9208122006.51@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
:  Same here, except I can't use virtual consoles. In reading the manual I believe my
: keyboard is not 100% compatible. Anyone have this problem besides me?

My keyboard also is not 100% compatible, so I'm using the kb driver with
the German keyboard table.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: forthy@pfm.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth)
Subject: Questions about /rdb
Organization: PFM News & Mail RMT Mainz, Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:20:42 GMT
Keywords: /rdb, query language, user interface


Hi, everybody

can anybody who knows /rdb drop a few words about it?
All I know is, that it is a relational database system.

What kind of user interface does it has, what kind of query language
is used? 

Many thanks in advance


Stephan Forth                      forthy@pfm.rmt.sub.org
Mainz, Germany                     Fido: 2:249/51.7

"Forever in blue jeans..."

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Reading coherent disks under DOS
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:46:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

charless@sco.COM (charles stross) writes:
: 
: I'm aware of a set of tools (called mtools, I think) for MS-DOS that
: allow you to read a Minix file system under MS-DOS. As Minix
: uses an FS of the UNIX family (inodes and so on), has anyone
: tried to port these tools to read the Coherent file system?  I'm 
: be interested in being able to import Coherent files into DOS
: without first transferring them via a DOS floppy ... if you
: knows of such a port, can you mail me? (I'll summarize on
: demand.)

Mtools2.0 is a package to handle DOS filesystems under UNIX.
The other way also would be interesting for me, so please let
me know if you find one.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Re: /etc/passwd security (was Re: Who are you?)
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:39:22 GMT

In article <1355@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>In article <9208192320@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>>If this restricted shell is save I would use it for an
>>guest account, so that peoples which are interested at Coherent 4.0
>>could play a little bit with my system without the possibility to do
>>some damage.
>
>No restricted shell is safe ... so either you trust your users to respect a
>locked door and go no further, or you depend upon their ignorance to not
>even know the door is locked in the first place.

I wouldn't go so far as to make such a blanket statement as, "no restricted
shell is safe."  In most cases, it's not the shell that's at fault; it's
the programs that are allowed to be accessed.

Determining just which programs are safe is a good achievement.

Pred Bundalo

P.S. I'll post the shell today or tomorrow.
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