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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Minor League
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:48:28 GMT
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering

In article <8APR199212444653@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>It occurs to me that professional football and basketball use the colleges 
>as their farm systems, and that this is one of the main difficulties in 
>maintaining academic integrity in college sports.  That is, a high school 
>athlete who is talented enough to play professionally, but who has no 
>desire (or necessarily ability) to complete a college degree, has no route 
>into the pros except to find a college program which will compromise its 
>academic requirements for athletes. 
>
>If there were an alternative, this would have several effects.  Suppose 
>the World League of American Football evolves into a minor league for the 
>NFL.  This will return the integrity to the academic programs of big-time 
>football universities by reducing the pressure to compromise.  It will also 
>lower the level of play, possibly substantially.  However, if the model of 
>baseball is followed, this isn't necessarily the case.  Additionally, the 
>education provided to the athlete on scholarship will improve, because the 
>football programs won't be pushing athletes who aren't students anyway 
>through Mickey Mouse courses.
>
>I'd like to hear any comments on this.  How likely is it to happen?  What 
>are the political relationships between the NFL and the WLAF (and the 
>universities)?  What are all the pro's and con's?
>

   My only real comment to add is that this situation was true for 
Baseball for a long time.  It is only in the past decade really that 
college baseball has been viewed as a more acceptable alternative to
the minor leagues out of high school, and even then MLB players out
of colleges are still a definite minority.  This percentage is 
increasing though from what I understand and which I would expect 
that there would be an effect on college football, I don't think
it would be as noticable as you might think.  

   There is a reason that few freshman (and not a heck of a lot of 
sophomores) get major playing time (also remembering a good number 
get red-shirted).  Most of them need the weight and endurance training 
to really develop as players.  Many highly successful players are not
highly regarded out of high school due to this necessity of physical
development.  This problem presents a major stumbling block for the 
NFL/WLAF and would necessitate a larger farm system to attempt 
to develop players out of high school than the WLAF can provide.



--
"Dad, you're not losing a daughter...you're gaining.....Ted"
Greg Paul  (Mouser)		  |  paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu  GO SPARTANS!!
MSCS student?, Insight technician |     Triangle Fraternity
"Sex is heritary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either."
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Turkey Dinners (Re: Hokie/Gobbler - the REAL answer)
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.202400.29425@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.194101.9527@news.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>
>|> At any rate, you should remember not to mess with the Cavalier - he's
>|> already sent a turtle to the hospital, imagine what would happen to
>		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Do tell, I don't think I've heard this one...
>


At the Maryland-Virginia game in 1988 (my third year), the Terrapin mascot
and the Cavalier were fooling around before the game  pretending 
to wrestle. I'm not quite sure what happened, but when we looked
down in front of the student section, the turtle was lying on the
ground and the ambulance was driving on the field to take him away.
I think he broke his leg or ankle, I can't remember. The Cavalier said
they were just playing around and the guy fell - the Turtle claims
that the Cavalier got a little rough. I guess we'll never know. (BTW, I
didn't mean to make fun of the guy who got injured - but it is pretty
funny. The newspaper accounts of that game claimed that Maryland had
such a bad day, even it's mascot got taken out.) The incident still comes
up whenever we play Maryland. 

-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1991 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Turkey Dinners (Re: Hokie/Gobbler - the REAL answer)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:20:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.200310.2462@mcc.com> richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes:
> > Sweetened or unsweetened?
> 
> Unsweetened!  No self-respecting human, nor even a hokie-gobbler-turkey,
> would put sugar in iced tea.  Cough, gag, spit, wheeze.
            ^^^^^^^

You're right, too many calories.  I dump in about 3 or 4 packs
of Sweet n' Low.   Hmmmmmmmm.


> -- 
> Charlie Richter   MCC   Austin, Texas
>   uucp: richter@milano.uucp     arpa: richter@mcc.com
> "The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
>    or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  GONE: Brooklyn Dodgers
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
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From: c9e-am@danube.Berkeley.EDU (William F. Tell)
Subject: Re: Another Time Wasting Topic
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:00:19 GMT

Best song: "On Wisconsin."  To me, this song is the epitome of college
football fight songs.  Could someone please post the words to this one?

Worst song: "Tribute to Troy" by U$C.   Played 72 times in last season's
Cal-U$C game.   Didn't help much.  Cal won 52-30.
From: ddavidson@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (Dennis Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Tennessee schedule
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:04:47 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

Would someone please post the Tennessee 1992 football schedule. Thanking you 
in advance.

Dennis Davidson  ddavidson@cbacc.cba.uga.edu
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Another Time Wasting Topic
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:27:48 GMT

rbutera@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
                      ^^^^
: Fight/School songs.  The best.  The worst.  The stupidest.
: 
: Overplayed: [...]

Well Rob, with you being down here in SWC-land, I can't believe you
missed the obvious "local" choices.

The t.u. band and Texas Bite, er, Fight, can match up against USC
any day. Now I can't say that I've ever been to a USC game in 
person, but I've seen enough of them on TV to understand what the
Cal guys are talking about. Yes, t.u. has even been known to play in 
celebration of first downs (I *have* been to t.u. games in person).

But none of you guys really knows what overplayed means until you've
been to an SMU home game (maybe they do it on the road too, but I
can't say for sure). The SMU band *literally* plays their rendition
of "She'll Be Comin' Around the Mountain When She Comes" the
*entire* time SMU has the ball! I mean back-to-back and over and
over without stopping. When SMU is in the huddle or at the line of
scrimmage they get real soft, but they never stop or even slow down.
Then just as soon as the ball is snapped, BOOM!, here they go again
full volume.

Also, a few years back, I believe they may have played the whole
game, including when the opponent had the ball. I was at an
A&M/SMU game in Texas Stadium around '85 or '86 (pre-death penalty)
and late in a very close game the SMU *band* was actually given a
critical unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for playing while A&M
was in the huddle. Kept the drive alive, and A&M ended up winning.
I suppose the band had been warned a couple of times. I remember
this was one of the first times that (at the time) new rule was
enforced.

Anybody else remember this?
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: ANYONE INTERESTED IN GATORS' SCHEDULE
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Keywords: Fightin' Gators, 92 Schedule
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:41:52 GMT

In <1992Apr9.133033.22068@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:

| BTW, Are you guys and Miami playing this year?
| 
Yes, we already did, Gators won 2 at home, and the Canes won their 2 at home.
Ooops!  You weren't talking baseball!

Joe

--
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   ----- ----  /--- |  Joe Sosa -- jsosa@encore.com 
    /   /---   \    |  GO HEAT!!!  HERE COMES THE PLAYOFFS!!
----   ----  ---/   |  GATOR BASEBALL 1992, BEST IN THE LAND!! SEC!! CWS!!
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SWC (was Re: 1992 Bowl matchups)
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:46:19 GMT
Distribution: na

Rob Butera writes
+ In article <11997@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne  
"Goober" Smith) writes:
+ > In article <70005@ut-emx.uucp> jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau)  
writes:
+ > 
+ > [jay creams all over himself while describing UT academic prowess]
+ > 
+ > Yeah but your mascot is a cow.
+ > 
+ 
+ And they greet each other on the street with some sort of satanic looking
+ hand gesture ...

I dunno about you, but I ain't afraid of no cow.

James
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: MSU AD Update(ss)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.023004.9778@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, Kamchatka Charlie writes:
|> (Kevin Klinge writes:
|> >
|> >"George must go! George must go!" - MSU students and fans at last
|> >					years UM/MSU game
|>      Dollars to donuts if we had been winning more games last year, Perles
|> would have been cheered on.  There's a difference between 8-3 and 3-8.

I would have thought the same thing too (you guy's hadn't won a game
yet by that Oct. 12), but when I talked to the MSU fans around us who 
were yelling the cheers, they indicated to me they were just as angry 
about him "running the whole athletic department and using the school 
for his own power plays" as one fan put it.  That's just what they told 
me.  You might just be more upset about the losing record only; they were 
just fed up with him in general.  That would be consistent to the views
of those MSU students I saw voicing their opinions on Detroit TV back in 
1989-90 when George first got the AD job.  It wasn't just his (lack of)
coaching they were screaming about.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: Kamchatka Charlie
Subject: Re: MSU AD Update(ss)
Organization: Psychosis Unlimited International
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 01:21:15 GMT

Kevin Klinge writes:
>Kamchatka Charlie writes:
>|> Kevin Klinge writes:
>|> >
>|> >"George must go! George must go!" - MSU students and fans at last
>|> >					years UM/MSU game
>|>      Dollars to donuts if we had been winning more games last year, Perles
>|> would have been cheered on.  There's a difference between 8-3 and 3-8.
>
>I would have thought the same thing too (you guy's hadn't won a game
>yet by that Oct. 12), but when I talked to the MSU fans around us who 
>were yelling the cheers, they indicated to me they were just as angry 
>about him "running the whole athletic department and using the school 
>for his own power plays" as one fan put it.  That's just what they told 
>me.  You might just be more upset about the losing record only; they were 
>just fed up with him in general.  That would be consistent to the views
>of those MSU students I saw voicing their opinions on Detroit TV back in 
>1989-90 when George first got the AD job.  It wasn't just his (lack of)
>coaching they were screaming about.

     You forget, these were probably the same people who had gone with Perles
when he forced a contract extension by getting another NFL team to fake/make an
offer to him.  Why the change?  He was turning around the football program back
then; now that NorthWestern has bypassed us in recruiting they're angry at him
and, by extension, his backhanded actions.
     I will say this (with an admission of change of opinion):  Had we gone,
say, 8-3 and from there to a bowl game; the alumni would have pushed for Perles
to stay as AD and give up his coaching job in another year.  As I meant to say
in reference to your quote, alumni readily forgive winners.  Remember Southern
Methodist?  Miami (FL) of the early '80's?  All them U of M teams of the
Seventies and Eighties which could never seem to win that last game but were
able to win all the others?

     Oh, and by the way, the lady got elected AD.  More about it in my next
posting.

+------------------------+-----------------------+
| Kamchatka Charlie      | everything goeses     |
| kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu | to coaches with roses |
+------------------------+-----------------------+
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From: rbutera@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: SWC (was Re: 1992 Bowl matchups)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:05:29 GMT

In article <54420@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> mln@icase.edu (Michael Nelson) wrote:
> }
> }I'm sure *all* insects would be terrified of an enraged turkey.
> 
> Hah!  Show me a Yellow Jacket that's afraid of a turkey, enraged
> or not!  I can't imagine any such insect - least of all one whose 
> best friend is a car - being "terrified" by an overweight fowl!
> 
> The insect stings the turkey, and while it gobbles helplessly in pain
> the wreck floors it and runs the poor bird over - no contest, game
> over.  (Even with a can of Off! and a crescent wrench, the poor
> turkey can do little damage without an opposable thumb.)
> 
Here here!

Back when I was at GT and we played Virginia Tech, there was a bit of campus
folklore that said that a Hokie (I think that's what they're called) is
really a castrated turkey.  Is this true, or just another piece for the
storybooks?  Someday I'll bother looking it up ...

Go Jackets!

T-Day is coming up soon (or maybe it came and went already).  Anybody
have a scouting report for it (maybe Mark?)

Wow - another four months of discussions such as these ....

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
"I would say that a buzz saw blade between the guy's legs on the album cover is
 a good indication that it's not for little Johnny." - Frank Zappa to the 
 Senate Commerce Committee hearing on dirty rock lyrics
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Subject: Pitt spring game
From: rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH)
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:19:11 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

I don't have sats or info, but i just heard the score of Pitt's spring game.
It was 3-0. Maybe a defensive game? Maybe a very boring game? Anyone out there
have the stats? It might turn out that there was alot of offense and alot of
turnovers but no scoring. Just my $0.02. Go Mustangs(SMU). Someone has to root
for them.

                                                  Murph
From: kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Sid Kitchel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SWC (was Re: 1992 Bowl matchups)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:58:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

>The question of which conference a school should join is more complex than
>just geography (although geography certainly plays a major role).  It is a
>question of which Universities one wants to be associated with.  Be honest,
>if I mention the University of Oklahoma, is not the first thing that pops
>into your mind the University of Nebraska?  Even if it is not the first
>thing that jumps into your head, you have to admit that there is clearly
>an association between the schools in the minds of the public. 

	FYI, the University of Oklahoma was a charter member of the
SWC. In point of fact, we consider our rivalry with Texas to be longer
standing and take it just as serious as the Nebraska series. In
Darrell Royal's day as a Sooner player, you weren't accepted as a real
team member until you had done something significant against Texas.
So there are all kinds of historical currents that swirl up when you
speak of leaving a conference family. t.u. has a problem in
accomplishing a move because of the hostility of the state
legislature, which is pretty close to the campus.

						soONEr born!!!,
						(and hoping t.u.
						 stays in the SWC
						 where it belongs!)
						      --Sid
-- 
Sid Kitchel...............WARNING: allergic to smileys and hearts....
Computer Science Dept.                         kitchel@cs.indiana.edu
Indiana University                              kitchel@iubacs.BITNET
Bloomington, Indiana  47405-4101........................(812)334-8100
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From: mln@icase.edu (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Virginia Tech Spring Game
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:18:34 GMT

Well, Charlie gave the account of the Virginia spring game, so I
thought I would return the favor.

Last Saturday night in the annual maroon and white game,
maroon (the starters) beat white 31-28 afters spotting them
14 points.

I may be wrong, but it seems in recent memory that white 
rarely scores, so I don't know if to conclude that the starting
defense has gaping holes or if we are pretty deep.

The man that everyone has their eye on, Maurice DeShazo, sat
out the game with sprained knee.  He will almost surely get the
starting nod next fall, but many questions remain about his
size, arm strength, and experience.  If he falters, look for him
to be replaced by Fred Lassister the #2 QB that has showed promise.
The paper did not say, but I assume that he started for the maroon.
The #3 QB Jim Druckenmiller went 7-13 for 134 yards for the white.
So it would appear that there are competent people behind DeShazo.

With an option QB, and the two top RB's Vaughn Hebron and Tony
Kennedy returning, don't be looking for a run and shoot offense :-)
In the limited time DeShazo saw this year, he took 54 snaps and
attempted only 4 passes.

Final analysis: lots of question marks remain for Va Tech.

Michael Nelson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Jason Fawcett
Subject: Re: ANYONE INTERESTED IN GATORS' SCHEDULE
Originator: jfawcett@infocenter
Keywords: Fightin' Gators, 92 Schedule
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:52:18 GMT




In article <35046@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, abbasi@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU writes:
|> 
|> If anybody is interested I can post the 92 schedule for the Gators.
|> If there is further interest, a list of their recruits can also be
|> posted. Let me know !!

>from; Kevin H. Klinge
>Yeah, I'd be interested.

>BTW, Are you guys and Miami playing this year?

 From Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Sun-Sentinel Friday 11/30/90

 UF's Steve Spurs said, " Florida will honor its agreement to play Miami
 in 1992-1993.  We'll stick with it and see what happens." 

Florida will not play Miami, unless all games are at Florida.

How do you expect from a coach that takes away fifth year QB's
(i.e. Brian Fox ) scholarships one hour before the start of gator spring
practice. Brian was the back up QB for the last two years, and could have
started the Sugar Bowl last year if Shane was still hurt. The scholarship
was used on a new member of the incoming class.  The NCAA take another big 
step towards professional football. 

Brian Fox said "  I feel I can contribute, at least as much as one of
the QB's who is going to be red-shirted.  I've been a good student and
haven't missed a practice. I still don't understand what went into his
decision."  In 1988 Brian Fox won the Big Ten Freshman of the year honors
at Purdue before transferring to Florida.  Fox was beaten out in 1990 by
Shane Matthews.

Steve Spurries said " We have fifth-year seniors who have been given four 
years of free education, and they should be happy with that, we don't
have the obligation to bring back every fifth-year player if we as coaches
think a freshman could help us more.

Steve Spurries said " It's really not that big of deal.  As coaches, we have
to evaluate who comes back their fifth year and who doesn't. It's not the 
player's decision. We've got some player on scholarship who are never going
to play.  We would never yank one, though, before their fifth year. We don't
do that. "


                     What ever you say Steve.



>from; Kevin H. Klinge
>
>Pandora's Box is now open...

Let the net.wars begin.......

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