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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:54:18 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
	<10NOV199216301278@erich.triumf.ca>

Wayne writes>>Maybe just  seems like it but of the accidents I've heard
of this year
just  as many were on a Big V. It has also occurred to me that the mainstream
riders as a group are getting older as maybe half of the bad accidents I've
heard of this year involved riders over 30 years of age. I think the bad trafic
is getting to even the experienced riders out thier. Or is it my imagination?

   I think what you are seeing is a lot of newcomers to the sport, some 
do it as an image others to be with the "IN" crowd. Some also are
riders who have not ridden since the 70's or 80's and decide to "ride again."
They all start with the concept that they are invincible, and that the
accidents always happen to the other guy and not me! Anyone who has
ridden long enough has met the pavement in one way or another. The guy
who drives at light speed has less of a chance at avoiding an accident whether
it is his fault or not. For the older crowd on bikes they need to become a very
defensive driver 1st, while practicing their riding skills and or taking the
MSF riding course(I refer to newer older riders).

To Vickie, glad to see a female with some class speak out on this BBoard
since we are so close maybe we could catch a ride sometime when this
weather in PGH,Pa. breaks.

As for James Dutton, I think that the tube of Plastic Glue that you
carry with you to repair your ZX-10 is giving some sort of BUZZ,
This is not the rec.plastic.motorcycle BBoard, you must be lost!!!!
If not enjoy the reading, I guess what I stated about rocket riders
and poorly dressed "FOOLS" seems to have irritated you, why
do you fit in one of these categories or encourage it. No flames
Jim, if you are reading this BBoard enjoy it you might learn 
something about the people who ride Harleys, I would wave to
you on the Highway as I would any other rider. Keep it between
the lines.......



					john...

16F(soon)this is a 1916 61CU Harley Davidson Jim
47Indian(started)this is the bike that competed with the Harley Jim,
made in the USA>
78FX this is a Kick Start only Harley Superglide Jim.
80 Sturgis this is a belt driven Harley Jim named after a town called Sturgis
90XLH1200 this is a Harley Sportster Jim
92FLHTC This is a Harley Full Dresser Jim
HOG#0547387-you get one of these #'s when you own a HARLEY
AMA#669993-A group for Motorcyclists
ABATE-You probably don't know this one.........
And lastly as for the inferiority complex, I have none, you evidently do,
I do not own the fastest, best handling bike in the world nor do I aspire
to own one, all my rides except the 1916, and the 1947 I have owned since
new. Welcome aboard Jim, enjoy our group............................
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 7 Nov 92 10:33:29 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov7.011018.3973@tcsi.com>, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
wrote:

> I'd like to try punching out the bore and
> shortening up the stroke to see if I could get one to spin at 8000 -
> 9000 rpm all day.  70 - 80 HP/liter or more at the wheel might be
> achieveable.  I think the upper bound for a streetable large
> displacement twin is over 100 HP/liter at the rear wheel (the fastest
> Ducatis).  Any thoughts?

You have put your finger a the critical point; piston speed.  In '77 there
was a seriously built under-square Harley in Des Moines, Iowa which
turned 7,000 easily.  It was also supercharged.  Still, it had difficulty
beating a stripped down Gold Wing in a drag!  The owner suspected that
the problem was getting the valves to close on time.  Maybe the 4-valve
heads will help obviate that problem.  There is an additional product
which adds valve springs to the _lifter_ end and shortens the pushrods.
This will almost certainly help get the valves to close on time.  I've
not seen a follow-up on this product's performance.  It's new and may
be buggy yet.

Ducati's positive valve closing mechanism is the secret to its
high-winding characteristic but the word is that they have found the
upper limit and have wrung all they can out of the engine.  It cannot
compete with multis of the same (and sometimes smaller) displacement.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.224723.1623@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
|2) Do not compare sportys to japanese bikes because $ for $ the
|japanese bikes perform better in every regard.   So be it.  Look
|back on this statement 10 years from today if you buy a jap bike
|and are looking for parts.  You loose if you don't have the Sporty.

  And the sporty rider lost if he was wanting something fast and performance-
oriented.  Even assuming that your unbased assumptions about longevity are
true (and I don't see any evidence that they are, quite the contrary, in fact),
it makes no sense to settle for less when the difference is so great, just
because it *might* last longer.

  For that matter, I know of sporty-riding friends that have had trouble
getting parts, so its not as easy as you imply.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I got mine finally to
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:47:30 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov10.172456.7420@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning) writes:
>
>Be careful if/when you switch back or ride something else. Brains get used to
>doing things a certain way and you get to stop thinking about it. I'd be
>impressed if you didn't have a (oh shit, I didn't want to down shift just
>then) if you switch back and forth between the two patterns. 


A friend of mine has an old Triumph that he let me take for a spin.  Everything
is in reverse.  I only had it out for about 5 minutes, and you really had to
think your moves.  Several times I caught myself shifting the brake and
braking the shift - not fun when your heading into a corner.  Over time I'm
sure I would get used to it, but imagine having a Triumph and a Harley...
Your brains would certainly get a work out!
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: XLH questions
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:09:19 GMT

In article <d5r1m+n@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>I've seen a recent post on the net discussing the XLH vs Big twin.
>the general opinion is that the sportster is uncomfortable for
>anything longer than 2-3 hours at a time.
>
>I'd like to know what is the reason behind this.
>Does the sporty shake more than the big twin?
>Is it the seat or riding position? (would a corbin help here?)
>Does it effect 6 footers & above more ?
>

   I'm 6'1", 210#, and this past summer my wife and I put 5000 miles
   in 3 weeks going to sturgis and back.  I was on my 1200 sporty
   and she was on her 883. (both evos) On traveling days we traveled
   around 400 miles on average.  They do shake a bit more then my
   FXR, but it was broken so you ride what you got.  If you can swing
   it get the big twin, but if not, get the sporty.  I put 25000 miles
   on my 1200 last year and only 10000 on my FXR, partly because I am
   (was) in the process of major rebuild on the FXR and secondly the
   Sporty is better for in town driving.  YMMV

>I'd really like to get a Harley in a few years, but I'm wondering
>if a have to go the serious bucks for a big twin right away.
>A big twin would be a goal for me , but I'm hoping I could get a sporty
>to be tolerable for longer rides.
>
>BTW, I'm talking about EVO sportys here.
>-----------------------------------------------------
>J.R. Ordon          '80 CB750C
>
>the view expressed here are mine & not my employers
>
>


-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:13:28 GMT

--

In article <1992Nov7.143529.779@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch") writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Path: engage.pko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd2!m_bellor
|>From: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
|>Subject: Re: Riviera 4 valve heads
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov7.143529.779@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
|>Lines: 31
|>Sender: m_bellor@csc32.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
|>Reply-To: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
|>Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
|>References:  <1992Nov3.014514.6201@icomsim.com>
|><1992Nov5.173341.26529@engage.pko.dec.com>
|>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:35:29 GMT
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> Chris,
|>
|> I read rav's on the S&S "E" carb all the time on this news feed and also
|> our internal notes file. Do you have any experience with the clucking
|> chicken carbatutter, from the lit that I have read they seem to be very
|> comparible?  Here in the Springs the S&S was was about 10 to $15 more, so
|> I am going with the Harley part. That and the fact that the wife does not
|> like to mismatch components if a comparable Harley part can be had. I was
|> leaning with Crane and the S&S, until it worked out to be about $100 more
|> for all parts needed. I also here that the scoot will hold value better
|> if I stick to Harley parts. What are your feelings on these things? I am
|> just beginning the winter "project", to be limited to just a basic warmed
|> over job. I will leave the stroker to a shovel, and that will have to
|> wait until the Job sit. is a lot better!!
|>
|> Sasquatch

Hi, Mike. I haven't heard many good things about the Chicken carb (Andrews
Flowmaster). You already know about the 'E'. However I have heard nothing
but good things about the SE cams. As for holding the value, S&S carbs are
recognized by most as a welcome addition (on a late model bike, not an
antique). 

Good luck,

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: honda 4 sale :)  :)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:17:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: scottsdale.az.stratus.com

In article <BxLzsA.Cxq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lahg8287@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lisa A.  
Haynes) writes:
> 
>  finally decided i couldn't take not owning a harley for one more minute....
> 
>  I bought a '91 883 about a week ago, and it's been great.  I've had to  
impose
>  on friends for babysitting services a ton (i'm a single mom) and have just
>  about gotten frost-bite a few nights on longer rides!   :)
> 
>  Anyway... i found the bike ( with only 2500 miles on it) for a reasonable 
>  price, but it does have one major flaw-  eagles on everything- so is there
>  anyway to take these things off, or do i need to get new mirrors and gas cap
>  and air cleaner cover....
> 
>  And the honda's for sale :)
> 
>  -totally elated
>  the NukeEChick
> -- 
> lahg8287@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu          -The Nuke E chic


When I bought my 81 FXWG in 1984 ($4,000, I just sold it for $7,000 heh heh) it  
had 16...count em' SIXTEEN goofy Harley eagle "Ride to live live to ride" kind  
of stick on metal emblems on places like the derby cover, gas caps, sissy bar  
(three on that alone!) and other palces. They were everywhere. The first thing  
I did to the bike was start very carefully prying them off. I had great luck.  
Most solvents, such as acetone, will remove the sticky stuff from your chrome  
with no harm. Just be careful on the painted surfaces. You might try prepsol 
and then rewax.
--
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Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
From: m88paba@mtek.chalmers.se (Patrik Backander)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: '84 LowRider For Sale OVERSEAS cheap
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:19:55 GMT
Reply-To: m88paba@mtek.chalmers.se
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article 0@u.washington.edu, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
> In article <1992Oct30.055919@IASTATE.EDU> brett@IASTATE.EDU (Brett C Weichers) writes:
> >FOR SALE:
> >    '84 FXR    ->(I think it is a FXRST)
> >I have a crate to ship anywhere in the World.
> >Price will be about US$ 10,500 C.I.F. (Cost, Insurance, Freight)
> 
>  I don't really know why but this pisses me off. I know this guy is 
> just trying to get out from under a debt, but selling your bike only 
> overseas rubs me the wrong way. This is what makes decent used Harley's 
> almost unobtainable to those of us of average means. 10K for an '84 FX?? 

I guess that Steve have never ever been outside the great Country where Harleys are
made. Steve should take a trip to Europe to really LOOK on the price tags on Harleys
here since Steve would not believe me if I gave them to him here and now. I bought a 
XLH883 myself in Worchester, MA and have it here in Sweden now. I know how EXTREMELY
cheap the HD's are in the United States! SO, GO BUY ONE, NOW! You are all lucky living 
there in the states, without knowing it! 

> I guess it supports the argument that your new Harley will hold its value, 
> but who can afford a new one? The only way an average guy  can get a Harley
> any more seems to be to buy a wreck and fix it up. A few years ago, I paid 
> 4K for my '48 pan, all original, and running, but not pretty. Everyone told 
> me I was insane, and I agreed with them. Now, it's 10K for an '84 FX??? Got 
> to go now, I think I'm going to be sick.

C'mon, get real and OPEN your eyes, the guy is shipping it anywhere and I do think it
will be shipped soon. People who say things without knowing what is happening in the
WORLD, but only the US, I do feel sorry for. 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Name:     _ 
  Patrik Backander
Mail:
  m88paba@mtek.chalmers.se       
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh)
Subject: Re: I'm surprised that...
Organization: My desk in the Tech building
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.013534.4182@c3.PLA.CA.US>, niall@c3.PLA.CA.US
(Neal Bedard) writes:
> The Channel 7
>>newsdweeb made a snide remark about Sonny drinking "yuppie bottled water
>>because he isn't allowed alcohol as a condition of his parole. Just proves
>>again how totally weak the mainstream media are when it comes to evenhanded
>>coverage of motorcycling matters.

Hold on there, Babaluieee.  Last time I looked, it was a tad out of character
for a badass outlaw Byker (tm) like Barger to drink yuppie water instead of
good ol' `merkin beer.  The snide newsdweeb was probably remarking on how
odd it was for *this biker* to drink Evian or whatever, not how odd it was
for *any biker* to do so.  Admittedly, these news folks are uninformed gimps,
but don't accuse this one of sullying your reputation just because he found
it odd that the former top Angel was drinking mineral water.


--
Chris Walsh                 "DoD stands for "People Who Can't Spell (or Count)"
Technet Network Administrator                           --Peter D. Smith
2145 Sheridan Rd.            
Evanston, IL 60208          "Satan oscillate metallic sonatas" 
DoD# 0671						--suomynona
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From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,tx.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Finally! I have it!
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:03:40 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <1992Nov4.170117.25566@bcrka451.bnr.ca> duncan@bcrka466.bnr.ca (Ross Duncan) writes:
>Congratulations on the FLHS Mike!
>

Thanks.

>So, what doodads do you plan to add to it?
>

Hmmmmm.  Still looking at all the neat stuff.  The only thing I have decided on
for sure is the screamin eagle for the front fender.  Been spending to much
time riding it - NOT - to think about adding stuff to it. 

>Regards, Ross
>
>DoD #1141
>1976 Kawasaki KZ200
>1991 Kawasaki VULCAN 750
>1992 Harley-Davidson FLHS (Spring of 1993)
                            
A '92 in '93?

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Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: '71 Shovelhead
From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:22:40 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: CSLA

A friend of mine is looking to buy a '71 Shovel Softtail - 84 cu inches. It has a stroker kit, rebuilt engine, kick start, solid lifters, chain.

Does anyone have any info on this bike.  He is buying it for $4500.

Any info will help - how reliable are they and how comfortable etc etc...

Thanx in advance.

You can e-mail me directly at:  sgenchi@calstatela.edu

--Stacie

Also, I am 5'2" and about 105lbs and have been looking for a Harley for awhile but I don't want a sporty.

Any suggestions?  (details please)
From: Dave_Damon@NeXT.COM (Dave Damon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: reno HD
Keywords: Harley
Date: 2 Nov 92 22:48:24 GMT
Distribution: usa

rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James K. Rye) writes:
> Does anyone have the number for the Harley dealer in Reno Nevada?

Yea, I do.

Try 411, ask for area code for reno.
Then dial (reno area code) 555-1212, ask for Reno Harley Davidson.

:-)
Dave
84 FXR
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:31:46 GMT

In article <of0DFeq00WAE80TF1A@andrew.cmu.edu> John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>As for James Dutton, I think that the tube of Plastic Glue that you
>carry with you to repair your ZX-10 is giving some sort of BUZZ,
 
If it didn't I wouldn't buy it.
 
>This is not the rec.plastic.motorcycle BBoard, you must be lost!!!!
 
Actually I'm interested in any motorcycle.
 
>If not enjoy the reading, I guess what I stated about rocket riders
>and poorly dressed "FOOLS" seems to have irritated you, why
>do you fit in one of these categories or encourage it. No flames
 
Well the way you frazed it any one on a sport bike is a tetesterone crazed
idiot.
1. I wear a two piece aerostich. Look like a goon. But I've already done
my road pizza thang.
2. I don't tell anyone else what to do, wear, say or post. But thats
just me.
 
>Jim, if you are reading this BBoard enjoy it you might learn 
>something about the people who ride Harleys, I would wave to
>you on the Highway as I would any other rider. Keep it between
>the lines.......
 
As I would wave to you John. I've been reading this group since it's
inception. Most people on it don't generalize about moto brands. They like
their bike, I like mine. As the world turns.
 
>					john...
>
>16F(soon)this is a 1916 61CU Harley Davidson Jim
Gosh.
>47Indian(started)this is the bike that competed with the Harley Jim,
>made in the USA>
As opposed to the parts on your 80Sturg,90XLH and 92 FLHTC?
>78FX this is a Kick Start only Harley Superglide Jim.
Golly.
>80 Sturgis this is a belt driven Harley Jim named after a town called Sturgis
It wouldn't be in South Dakota would it?
>90XLH1200 this is a Harley Sportster Jim
Holy Shit.
>92FLHTC This is a Harley Full Dresser Jim
What do you put in the top drawers.
>HOG#0547387-you get one of these #'s when you own a HARLEY
Well sign me up.
>AMA#669993-A group for Motorcyclists
Amazing, looks similar to my number.
>ABATE-You probably don't know this one.........
Don't they push mandatory helmet laws?
>And lastly as for the inferiority complex, I have none, you evidently do,
Then why the need to project yourself as Mr. Motorcycle.
>I do not own the fastest, best handling bike in the world nor do I aspire
Thats ok I do.
>to own one, all my rides except the 1916, and the 1947 I have owned since
>new. Welcome aboard Jim, enjoy our group............................
Congratulations on owning new bikes???? And with your permission
I think I will enjoy our group. What a guy.

 
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