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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children's Book-of-the-Month Club
Keywords: children books
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:21:06 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug27.154000.27468@hemlock.cray.com> clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes:
>I received a mailing the other day soliciting membership in Children's Book of
>the Month Club.  The mailing advertises a typical introductory offer of "buy
>3 books for $1 each"--plus shipping and handling, the fine print tells you.
>
The shipping and handling charges usually run a few dollars.  The books
are often discounted a few dollars from full retail, so I figure I break
about even.  I rarely get book shopping so I find the club convenient.
The books are pretty well selected, although many of the 2-4 year old
selections are too young for Laura (3.5) and I buy those that
say 3-7 usually.  Anyway, it's convenient and about the same price
as full-price kids books.  They regularly have sales where some books
are 1/2 price or less and I get several then.  With the S&H, the
total savings are closer to 25% than 50%.  The books have all
arrived in perfect condition. 


-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls? (corrected!
Date: 3 Sep 1992 09:52:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	I want 3 boys, have one alreday, but have decided that if the
3rd one was a girl, I'd keep her :-) ;-)

	I hope this one isn't a girl, though, because I don't want 2
girls and therefore won't take that chance (we really want 3 kids, but
will stop at 2 if it's a girl).  It's not as much because I stereotype
them as it is that I could never get along with girls/women very well
until I was 25.  Society breeds too many mind games, fashion
conciousness, and BODY SHAPE ISSUES that I could never
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
understand/play/deal with very well.  I think 2 girls is beyond my
realm of comfort.  I hope I find out the sex at my sonogram in a few
weeks.  That should give me time to prepare and/or celebrate.  I think
if the 3rd was a girl, that I would probably be ecstatic.

	So this message is a 2-sided sword.  I also do not want "one of
each", but tend to put too much into gender differences.  I hope that
is we do stop at 2, that I don't harbor any resentment - but at least I
am aware and can work on that.  But  I know I'll be happy either way.

-Shirl

BTW: here's some preparedness advice - When people see that you're
pregnant, and find out that you already have a boy, they will say
things like "Oh, you must be wanting a girl this time!".  And when I
used to say that I really didn't want any girls, they, these perfect
strangers would argue with me!  they would say, "Oh, you *know* you
want a girl!"  It used to infuriate me to no end.  I felt like asking
them what I had for breakfast, since they were SOOoo sure that they knew me so well!
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:17:32 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Sep02.223437.2221821@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>Yes, but beware.  The more automated the process, the less control you will 
>have.  One of the 401K funds has lost 10% this year.  So, money automatically
>going into that fund is automatically going into a black hole.  
>

  Depending on the actual investment, these are very often just "paper"
losses, not actual lose of original principal.  For example, if the 
particular investment is a stock fund, the loss is simply showing that
at the moment, the stock is selling for 10% less than was paid for it.
You don't actually lose the money unless you have to, or choose to,
sell right then.  Equally, a 25% gain isn't as exciting as it might be
at first look either, as it too is just a "paper" issue unless you happened
to cash out just then.  Actual permanent loss of principal certainly can
come in a lot of forms -- money at an uninsured institution that goes 
under, money spent on a mobile home park that Hurricane Andrew blew off
the map, money poured into a gold mine that never was, investments that
fold, etc.  However, not too many of these are used for 401K investments.

  I too don't like the sucking sound that comes when I open my quarterly
401K statement and find my overall investment is showing a (large) negative
number because one of the investments (unfortunately, my employers' stock!)
did horribly.  But the inverse is also true; for the last quarter, my
employers' stock was up 137%, which did lovely things for the number on
the bottom of the page, but was  no more relevant to my actual standing
than the previous big negative number.   The 401K isn't a black hole; it
may just be riding out common/typical/traditional/whatever cycles in the
type of investment it is holding.

  Our 401Ks allow us a reasonable amount of control; you can change the
amount being withheld, the investment(s) current funds are going to, and
the allocation of existing funds amoung the available investments (6 of
them currently) on a monthly or quarterly basis.  The investments range
from very low risk to moderate risk; they have no truely high risk
ones available, but then I'm not that comfortable with them anyway.
 
						Susanne Gilliam
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE:  Rice as finger food
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:51:38 GMT
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

I'm a third generation Japanese-American, and my mom always used to make 
rice balls for us.  I make them for my 3.5 year old and my 14 month old.
My children started eating the rice balls when they were about 12 months.
I use the Japanese rice because it's stickier (I think the brand is Botan).
I cook it up in my rice cooker, and I form the rice balls while the rice
is still very hot.  I wash my hands and leave them wet, then I sprinkle a
little bit of salt on them, I use a teaspoon to put a small amount of rice
in my hand, and then roll it and squeeze it into a ball.  It shouldn't be
much larger than 1" in diameter for a 3 year old, 1/2" for a toddler.

- Cindy
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:54:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My employer does not process the claims themselves; they contract it 
out to Metropolitan.  There would have to be enough employees so that 
more FICA is saved for the employer than is spent on claims administration.

Jean Jasinski
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Babysitting services in L.A. ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:00:36 GMT

We would like to take our 3.75 year old to Disneyland next month
and need to find somebody to watch Megan (10.5 mos).  Does anybody
know of a babysitting service in Los Angeles that they have used
and liked ??  Or has anybody taken a very squirmy (dont hold me)
baby to Disneyland and enjoyed it ?  Any recommendations will be
appreciated.  We took Megan with us to Great America and it was
miserable.  I took her on 2 rides... the merry go round and the
ferris wheel.  I thought she was going to get sick on the ferris
wheel....:)

Thanks,
Deb
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:19:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep4.130708.23267@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joe Fulson-Woytek writes:
>In article <92247.151717CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.131333.19807@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary
>>Beth Northrup) says:
>>>to "eensy weensy spider".
>>
>>I thought it was the "itsy bitsy spider".
>
>I have  been a firm believer that it was eensy weensy, while my wife is a
>firm believer that it was itsy bitsy.  So whenever we heard a version being
>sung, one of us would proudly note that it was the "correct" version.  I think
>there are as many correct versions (eensy weensy) as incorrect ones (itsy 
>bitsy).
>
>Nothing like an early morning intellectually stimulating discussion.


I'd like to jump in here and point out that the definitive version
of this song is sung by Little Richard on the tape "For the Children."  
He sings it "itsy bitsy."  I just can't imagine Little Richard singing
"eensy weensy," or its variation, "eensy beensy."

Check out this tape--it's excellent, and Little Richard does a great
rendition of this song.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: hugs
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:03:37 GMT

As a variant to the Group hug we have Family hugs. (My daughter loves
them.)

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tiff@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tiffany Frazier)
Subject: Re: Predicting ovulation (again)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:35:41 GMT

Liz Attree (eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: I got confused by a recent thread in this newsgroup about predicting 
: ovulation.  Maybe someone could clear it up for me...
: 
: I was always under the impression (wrongly, I now suspect) that you 
: ovulated mid-month within your cycle, whatever the length of it.  This 
: impression stems from what is usually classed as "the norm" of a 28 day
: cycle.  
: But then someone posted that you ovulate 14 days before your period, 
: however 
: long your cycle is.  So if you have a 28 day cycle, you aim (if you're
: trying to conceive) for day 14.  But if you have a 21 day cycle you must,
: therefore, 
: aim for day 7.  Under my previous misconception (pardon the dreadful pun) 
: I would have aimed for mid-month on a 21 day cycle, roughly day 10 or 11.  
: Which leaves a huge margin of error of nearly a whole week (and an
: exhausted 
: but smiling partner).  You can see why I'm confused!
: 
: I know about detecting ovulation through taking your temperature daily and 
: through checking your cervical mucus.  But what if you don't have any/can't
: notice any cervical mucus?  (Please don't say, but you must have some!!)
: 
: Help/Advice needed again, please, misc.kidders!

Well - I can relay my (several) experience(s)...

It took us a good 10+ months to get pregnant the first time.  I had
basically heard the same thing and we "concentrated" on the range of
7-14 days after my period.  (I have a rather clockwork 28-29 day cycle).
Using the basal thermometer approach worked the first month we (seriously)
tried it - and I ovulated earlier than the 7 day mark.  

I think we've pretty much confirmed that I ovulate early (sometime in the
first week) since we concentrated on that first week for the 2nd pregnancy
(took 2 months, but I miscarried) and the 3rd pregnancy (took just one
month... I had just one period after the miscarriage.  Actually we only
tried for the first 6 days and then we stopped because of my carpal tunnel
and Drs recommendation - so there's little doubt as to when it happened :-).
The moral of the story is that we believed that middle of the cycle stuff,
but it certainly wasn't true for me.  I could never figure out that mucus
stuff and the basal thermometer did seem to confirm when I ovulate (though
I was very confused by my temperature going up and staying up :-)!

-tiff

--
tiff@cs.ucla.edu
!{rutgers, ucbvax}!ucla-cs!tiff
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: beginning discipline
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:17:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sylvan Associates

you're doing the right thing. Just keep it up. She's still a baby!

It will take a while for her to learn what it means -- just be
consistant with quickly following up to the 'No' or 'off limits' or
whatever phrase you want to use. And even when she's 18 months, she
still might only 'mind' part of the time!

You don't need to get more severe, you just need to be consistant -
don't say things to her if you're not willing to follow through
immediately. You don't need to be rough or loud or nasty, just follow
through EVERY time you tell her something is off limits.

My daughter also was hard to distract, even as a baby. She's got quite
a bit of spirit, she runs ahead of me still when we go for walks (she
stops before the curb). Now, at three years old, she minds pretty
well, and helps us pick up and is starting to pick up after herself at
her own.

Keep up the good work!

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:12:21 GMT

In article <3498@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>
>I still don't understand why so many people choose pain over
>no pain when the health of the baby is not affected. 

Because a lot of people feel that pain medication is a risk to the
health of the baby and the mother.

>I've
>had two birth experiences--one unmedicated (except for pitocin,
>that is), and one epidural, and the painless one was way more
>enjoyable and exhilarating than the painful one, for everyone
>involved (just ask my husband).
>
Pitocin induced labors are usually a *lot* more painful than "natural"
labors.

I've had two birth experiences--one medicated and one unmedicated.
The "painful" one was way more enjoyable and exhilarating than the medicated 
one, for everyone involved (just ask my husband).

Everyone has to find what's best for them.

Michele
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Feeling inadequate (Re: Baby Cries in Carseat)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:07:43 GMT
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

In article <21488@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
...
>
>My mother says things like this all the time.  According to her
>memory, she was never morning sick, didn't have any tiredness through
>her entire pregnancy, all four of her children (the largest was 8lbs
>at birth) slept through the night at two weeks, rolled over by 6
>weeks, we all walked early.
...
>
>If Mom were accurately remembering, I might be worried that she knows
>more than the books I read.  However, her memory and my father's don't
>match.  He doesn't recall us sleeping through so early.  He swears I
>didn't walk until 12-14 months, not the 9-10 my mother recalls.  
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

OK parents, So we do not fall into the same trap as our parents,
remembering what really happened, why don't we write things
down when they happen.

I been trying but am only partialy successfull. About once a month
I'll write down the stuff I can remember happening. I feel I should
do it about once per week.

I personnally walked by 10 months, talked by 13 months, was potty
trained just after talking, was never a problem and only
ever had one temper tantrum.
My mom told me. 8-)

Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Subject: Re: Toys: books for 6mos to 1 year
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:47:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.154439.6741@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>
>Regarding the books and magazines, are there any specific titles?  Does 
>this mean mom or dad reads the books/magazines or that the kid just likes 
>to tear them up?  (you mean there's a use for all those Communications we
>were saving?)
>
>If anyone has any titles, could they please share them with me?  I've been
>looking for a sturdy book with lots of pretty pictures.
>
>diana

One caveat regarding magazines and other things babies like to tear/gum.
A lot of the inks used in publications contain lead.

Aleta
*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
************************* 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler)
Subject: Children's Book-of-the-Month Club
Keywords: children books
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:40:00 CDT

I received a mailing the other day soliciting membership in Children's Book of
the Month Club.  The mailing advertises a typical introductory offer of "buy
3 books for $1 each"--plus shipping and handling, the fine print tells you.

The selection, at least that of the books offered for this introductory offer,
looks reasonably good.

I'd like to hear other netters' opinions of the Children's BotMC, and I'd
especially like to hear from those people who have tried this book club.
I'm a bit suspicious of the "shipping and handling" charges; it seems they can
charge whatever they want for "handling," can't they?  They give no indication
of how much these charges will be.

Coni Gehler, Sam's mom
clg@cray.com

My company has nothing to do with my opinions, and my opinions have nothing to
do with my company.
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: beginning discipline
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:42:02 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In a previous article, harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey) says:
>I'd like ideas on beginning setting limits for our almost 10 month old 
>daughter.
>
>When she gets into one of the areas which are off-limits, I've tried saying
>"no" sternly, removing her to an acceptable play area, and perhaps giving
>her a toy to distract her.  Lately when she hears me say "no", she turns and
>smiles broadly or even laughs then continues with the unacceptable activity.
>When I move her she usually immediately tries to return to the activity
>which I had tried to stop.  Sometimes she cannot be distracted and begins to 
>cry when I prevent her persistent attempts at the undesirable activity.  

Also make sure there isn't someone else that is playing games with her and
confusing her about the meaning of "no".

Laura is almost the same age, and we have started the "no" thing.  Laura would
also laugh & giggle when we told her "no".  We discovered that her grandfather
was playing "knock over the tower" with her.  He would build a tower out of
blocks, then exclaim "No, don't knock over my tower!" as she attacked.  "No"
was part of the game.  A quick word with grandpa and he changed the game 
little bit.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.  D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<TIGGER.92Aug28231057@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:40:20 GMT

On 29 Aug 92 06:10:57 GMT, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) said:

Grace> In article <SHAFER.92Aug28100837@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

Mary> There was a little article in this morning's LA Times pointing out
Mary> that one should _not_ use booster seats onboard aircraft.  All the
Mary> major airlines recommend that you not use them, but they are not
Mary> prohibited in the FARs.

Mary> The reason for not using them is that aircraft seats will fold forward
Mary> in an impact, injuring the child.  This doesn't happen in cars.

Grace> I believe the article said this, but I am having a little trouble with
Grace> the logic involved. And the seat wouldn't injure the child if the
Grace> child is just buckled in normally? How would it injure the child more
Grace> one way than the other??

Using the booster seat moves the pivot point quite a ways below the
kid's natural pivot point, which is also where the seatbelt is.  It
increases the moment arm of the seatback, too.

Also because with the booster seat the seatback squishes the kid against
the hard seat and without it the seatback squishes the kid against the
softer seat bottom.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slangs@sunstroke (Susan Langsford)
Subject: Baby cries in highchair 
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:48:21 GMT

Hi all,

I've lurked misc.kids for years, and now I finally have a question I 
haven't seen asked/answered...

My son Jory is 7 months old now.  He is a big guy, was 26# and 28" at
6 months.

What's the problem?  About 2 weeks ago, he started *screaming* when we
try to put him in the high chair to eat.  Once in, he keeps crying, 
even while opening his mouth for more food.  We've tried distracting him,
giving him a spoon to play with (what a MESS :)), taking him *out* of
the chair as soon as he starts to fuss, then putting him back in when
he's calm, giving him Cheerios or other bits of food to eat with his
fingers (no interest), letting him cry a while, giving him a bit-of-bottle 
*before* the food...he still keeps fussing.

Here's some background...

At 20 weeks, he weighed 23# and was sluggin down about 40-45 oz of formula
per day.  Since he was eating so much, we decided to start feeding him solids 
at 23 wks, starting with just rice cereal mixed with formula and 
adding in vegetables and fruits, a new food every three or four days.  
This has worked well, and now, at 30 weeks he is eating 1/2 C of 
fruit w/ 3 Tbs cereal for breakfast and the same amount of veggie+cereal 
for dinner.  He's still drinking between 25 and 30 oz of formula/day.  

I don't think he cries because he's ravenous...he cries harder at dinner,
but has had 15 to 20 oz already including 5 to 8 oz 1 1/2 to 2 hrs earlier.
It's not just me, 'cause I do dinner and my husband does breakfast, and
he cries for us both.  He doesn't seem to be physically uncomfortable 
(no harness pinches, tray not too close), and he'll cry if we put him in
the chair at non-dinner times - so I guess he just hates the chair?

What do we do?  He's much too big to use the clamp-on-the-table chairs
(we tried, and they squeeze his stomach to the table).  He's much too 
wiggly to just hold on my lap - we'd both get *covered* with food.  

We've considered putting him in his walker to eat - is this a bad idea?
What about putting him in front of a video (he's likes to look at new
things)?

I'm very worried that I'm creating a food-battle, but I'm not sure what
we're battling about, so I can't see how to stop!

Any or all suggestions welcomed, posts or email (I'll summarize later).

Thanks so much,

susan

--
Susan Langsford            San Diego State University, College of Sciences
slangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu                  Computer and Electronics Center 

My opinions are my own.                             (or so I've been told)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Cute Things They Say (3 years old)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:36:09 GMT

Hello!  I finally have a cutie.  And a good one, I think!

Anyway,  our son, Brian, (who skipped the "Why, Mommy?" phase) is into
the "What does <insert> do?" questions.  For instance, "What do spider
lips do?" is a constant question.  (What DO spider lips do?  Do spiders
even have lips?)  Anyway,

Jack (my husband) and I were sitting at the dining table the other day
discussing politics.  George Bush's name came up and, Brian, in his typical
3-year-old fashion, asks "What do Bushes do?"  We started to explain:
"George Bush is the president of this country.  He's the man who is in
charge."
Brian then asked, in all sincerity, "What do men in Bushes do?"

We couldn't keep a straight face.


Jennifer