From: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Second Genyosha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Daleks
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:29:43 GMT
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In article <1992Dec17.020031.27463@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>In <1992Dec16.210715.11593@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo) writes:
>>I'm not sure about Daleks being that heavy.
>>In the "Dalek invasion of earth", when the people broke control by the Doctor,
>>they attacked and defeated the Daleks like they were cardboard cutouts.  Heck
>>I even seen 2 people running with a dalek over thier heads.  

>Hmm...maybe they *were* cardboard cutouts!  :)
>But seriously, folks, I tend to think that Daleks being light enough for two
>normal humans to lift is a bit less than believable.  OK, yes, it's been
>seen (I assume) so it must be canon, but consider that not only must these
>shells house a Kaled mutant, but they must also house disruptor weapons,
>computers to deal with vision technology and motive technology, speech
>synthesizers, the motive unit itself, and (since the Daleks no longer
>conduct power through metal floors) a power generator to run all this stuff. 
>Even considering that the Daleks' technology is definitely more advanced
>than ours, that's still a *lot* of equipment to be light enough for two men
>to lift.  So if Daleks were consistently this light, we must be forced to
>wonder why!

 No they are heavy, but then desperation adds strength doesn't it. The
complexity of a Dalek is mentioned, but the Doc seemed to have a very easy
time stripping one to allow "Ian"? to get in one. This was in the very first
adventure, later rescreened as a movie with Peter Cushing. Though I assume
that the Daleks of this time were more simplistic in design since they used
the floor to provide their power. This was when they pushed the Dalek onto
the Thal cloak and insulated the Dalek from any power.
 As to lifting put it down to a cardboard cutout.

>>I'm not too sure about Daleks being that impennatrable
>>In a scene from "the Chase", Frankenstein (a robot) destroyed one with no 
>>trouble at all.
>Oh, sure they're not impenetrable.  I don't think I ever said they were. 
>They seem pretty easy to kill despite the Dalekanium; time to get some
>better armor!

 I loved the picture in the FASA DrWho Daleks supplement where there are
medieval knights charging Daleks down. Best I ever saw for a laugh! So I
think they may need some more thickening there :)

>>Maybe they were the old ones, and weren't as good then.  The Daleks did
>>levitating the last Dalek episode.
>They've certainly developed over the course of the series.  As have the
>Cybermen, etc.  It's pretty much a given that the Daleks from "Remembrance"
>would be more advanced than the Daleks from "The Daleks".

 The Terry Nation books go into this a bit also. The Daleks also "evolve" in
a manner of speaking :) using new "shells" etc.

>>Jeff Wojtalewicz (Wojo)  jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu

>P.S.  I'll get my FASA Role-Playing Dalek supplement over Xmas Break.  It's
>not canon of course but it might provide insights on this.  BTW, I think
>this is one of the more interesting potential discussions I've seen on this
>newsgroup.
>** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

 I recommend it for any DrWho fan, though it isn't kosher :(

BTW The Daleks have been getting a lot of bad press, they aren't evil, they
just have a very self centred view of things :)

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