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From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.185256.1569@technology.com> judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
>>	Just an aside -- Considering that so many of the Somolians
>	seem to have guns, it is a credit to their society that we
>	haven't heard stories about some of these plump relief
>	workers going missing. . . .
>

Plump relief workers?  Are you out of your mind?  Best diet in the world is
to do volunteer work where people are hungry.

Oh, and by the way, those wimpy little relief workers do get killed, real
dead.  Moreso than us big brave business people in rough tough North
America.

-chris blask

Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Alexander S. Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Survival of the fittest...
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:03:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec21.185308.13403@spectrum.xerox.com> powers@xerox.com writes:
>
>.........................Somalians are PEOPLE who eat, sleep, make love, have
>children, and work. Whether the children they have starve depends on the eco-political
>environment, over which they have little control. ...

    Somalis are people who, until the U.S. intervened, had had full control
    over their political enviroment, of which civil war was, and had always been,
    an integral part. Think of it as a way of settling internal conflicts and/or 
    electing the country's  political leadership.  Compare this to how 
    the Europeans have been settling their differences throughout this century, 
    and you might even come to appreciate the Somalian way.

>                                                         So JUST giving them food
>is JUST a first step in what needs to be a rebuilding of Somalias infrastructure to
>support life.  ...

    Why are you so sure the Somalis want us to rebuild their infrastructure?
    Yesterday, CNN ran a story on this subject:  it turns out that Somalis
    spent the last couple of years annihilating whatever infrastructure
    British, Soviets, and American had left behind.  For example, they
    ripped electrical wires off the poles, undug water pipes, took apart
    the phone system and dismantled their factories.  Apparently, the Somalis
    do not want no Western-style infrastructure in their country.

    As every other people on this planet, Somalis want to preserve their
    way of life, and just because we think that ours is a superior one 
    does not give us a right to shove it down other people's throats.





Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:58:15 -0500 
From: Gregory Edward Hans <gh26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: "GOOD WAR"

I feel that Bush is simply trying to create the good war that he has
tried to do with Iraq and Panama.Feed the world,let them know the armys
good.What I cant figure out is why he didn't do this earlier to assure
himself the re-election?Perhaps it is a ploy to make all those opposed
to millitary intervention look foolish and further isolate themselves
from those who are not as hardline."look we are saving people and them
damn peaceniks would rather let dem starve!"
that type of thing.
love
spaz
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: "GOOD WAR"
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:37:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <AfBtq7O00VAuMIPlMc@andrew.cmu.edu> Gregory writes:

> I feel that Bush is simply trying to create the good war that he has
> tried to do with Iraq and Panama.Feed the world,let them know the armys
> good.

  Thank you, but we already know the army's good.  Its the politicians I worry
about.

> What I cant figure out is why he didn't do this earlier to assure
> himself the re-election?

  Because it would have been considered a cynical political ploy by everyone,
and the hue and cry would have gone up about how Bush didn't care about the
home folks.  Now he no longer has such restrictions (this is good and bad).

> Perhaps it is a ploy to make all those opposed
> to millitary intervention look foolish and further isolate themselves
> from those who are not as hardline.

  Only if Bush were to remain in office.  He is not.  Besides, this is a VERY
different situation than Iraq or Bosnia.  Your logic would not extend to a
"regular" combat type of situation.

> "look we are saving people and them
> damn peaceniks would rather let dem starve!"
> that type of thing.

  It *IS* bizarre to me that many of those opposed to sending the *US* military
were perfectly happy letting the Canadians, or the French, or others go in.
Not because the US has problems at home, but because the presence of Americans
suddenly made the operation "imperalist" instead of humanitarian.  Take Mr.
Wells -- please.  This sort of blind opposition *does* make the "left" look
foolish, but I doubt Bush could have expected this level of bozoness.  It does-
n't seem widespread, however.  I haven't noticed much of it off the net.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:35:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
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 jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:

>
>   Yes, it is scary.  The average American voter doesn't have a 
>   clue in the world.  It's scary when democracy gets out of
>   hand.  Now I by no means advocate this, but it really does
>   give hefty weight towards the argument of an intellectual
>   aristocracy, where only those with at least a Bachelor's
>   Degree can vote...

The votes should be weighted according to how much income tax
the voter pays.  The way it is now, the have-nots vote to pick
the pockets of the haves.  We'll NEVER have peace that way.
-- 
=======================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=======================
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
From: powers@xerox.com (Mike Powers)
Subject: Re: Survival of the fittest... (oops)
Reply-To: powers@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Palo ALto
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:00:30 GMT


My apologies Mr. Jensen, I thought the followup was from you. If 
you, James (Jim?) agree with the original post would you mind
explaining such a position?

Mike
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:01:32 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1i2cquINN9ru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka):
> No, I'm for less government, across-the-board.
> If you can't drink without getting in trouble, the
> answer is to drink less.

I see.  If you think the risk of being overrun by a drunk driver is
too high, then don't leave your home.  It's your problem if you can't
handle being hit by a car. 

>  The same goes for gambling,
> eating, and drugging. 

I love that.  If you can't eat without getting a job and no jobs are
available, then stop eating.  Yeah, right.

> The best thing we can do for Somalia, other countries,
> and ourselves, is to declare our intention to reduce
> the size and scope of government, and start doing it.
> The next step is to see if other nations will follow.
> If they don't, then they really don't want peace.

Let's see... Remove welfare funding.  If people don't stop eating on
their own, they obviously really don't want to stop and will have to
be made to.  Did I get that right?
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: M19249@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Good/Better/Best Bluegrass Festivals
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:28:17 GMT

Well, the title asks the question.  Opinions anyone.  How about parameters
like quality of music, location, cost, length, lodging, size/demeanor of crowd?
-DW "Standard disclaimer"
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Snake Handling
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:23:32 GMT

Just started reading a book about Holiness snake handlers. It seems
to be dealing more with the way that the laws were/are coming down
on Holiness churches than with the history and development. It's
called _The Persecuted Prophets_ / Karen W. Carden & Robert W.
Pelton. - 1976, A.S. Barnes & Co. Cranbury, NJ 08512. Lib. of
Congress # BX7990.H6C28  ISBN 0-498-01511-4. If anybody knows of
any other good books on the subject, please post.
Also, on another subject, me and a friend have always wanted to
hike the whole Trail. We're finally getting to the real planning
stages and would appreciate any help/advice anybody could offer.
Just email me. Thanks in advance.
                             --Scott McMillan smcmilln@nuacvm
From: billrich@caspian.ext.vt.edu (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Good/Better/Best Bluegrass Festivals
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:29:18 GMT


I can't tell you much about bluegrass festivals but I can list some good  
Fiddlers Conventions in Southwest Va:

Fiddler's Grove, held over Memorial Day weekend in Fiddlers Grove, NC.   
Well attended with nice campgrounds.

Mt. Airy, NC, held the 1st weekend in June.  VERY well attended by  
old-time fans from the East Coast.  Not much bluegrass.  Decent camping.

Elk Creek, Va, held the last weekend in June.  A small, local event, about  
even between O/T and BG.  Decent camping, very pretty spot. Hot.

Clifftop, WVa, held the last weekend in July (weekend before Galax).
This state-sponsored event is titled "Appalachian String Band Music  
Festival".  It has contests in the major old time categories only, many  
bands in a festival setting, and demonstrations from older "masters".  
Excellant camping.  Very well attended by O/T musicians from east of the  
Mississippi.

Galax, Va  The grandaddy event for our area.  Held the first wed-sat in  
August, (people pull in to the grounds the weekend before and stay all  
week).  Lots of BG in the grounds, lots of both in the competitions.  
Decent camping. Can be hot.  Tent campers tend to be crowded out by the  
RVs.  A huge event.  be sure to go at least one time.

Fries, Va  The weekend after Galax, and very near to Galax.  A nice local  
event in a scenic little town on the New River.  Lots of interesting local  
music.

There are many others.  These are my personal favs.

Bill Richardson, Blacksburg, Va
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: A good question...
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:54:59 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <1992Dec14.220711.3044@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, dirtboy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Matthew B Gross) writes:
> Hey, I went to a rave for the first time the other night, and wow, everyone
> there was a skater!  It was amazing, I go to a place where there is only one
> other skater besides myself, and it was stunning to see hundreds of skaters
> in one place.  Any other ravers out there?
> 
> Dirt Boy
> 

I've been.  Yousure they were skaters and not just cross dressers?
From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: new school dude
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:01:19 GMT
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx..

hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein) writes:
>i pulled a really awesome boneless today. nice, huh?

coolige mark!   I am going to do some of those new fangled Sweepers!
they are great if you want to catch some air....  have you tried to
do a 540 boneless?? man!

skate OR go HOME!

-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622  
smj@sdf.lonestar.org <Cs&E>
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: RE: New Vids
From: william@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:07:52 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

I got a few vids from the U.S. a couple of months ago. One was the WI 
"Love Bug" video, and the other a 101 video. It came in a Arnold Palmer
Golf Lesson pack. It was pretty short. It had Kris Markovitch leaping
off a cliff and driving around on a dirt road in his car. Adam McNatt
was driving around in Rocco's Porche. Is there another 101 video due
out after that one? I've been trying to get the Real video too but
none of the big mail order places seem to have it. I'd imagine most
of the companies would want to get there videos out a little before
Christmas so they could sell them as Christmas gifts. I remember last
year there was a whole raft of releases just before Christmas.

William
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:50:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Urg..
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board

My favorite places are long gone.. just memories now.. seems like whenever
you're having fun the cops screw it up.

There used to be a great place we found one day when a freeway was being 
built across Mission Valley in San Diego.  They installed huge storm drains
that were about 8 ft in diameter.  We could start at the top of the 
storm drain and ride up and the walls for about a quarter mile. Then 
they finished the freeway and plugged up the inlets.

Another good place was in the valley.. there was an open drainage ditch
but the concrete was smooth and some sections would go for about 100
yards.  Once we started skating there, other people driving by would 
see us and all of a sudden there were a lot of people skating ....
then someone complained, the cops came, one friend was arrested for 
messing with them...a week later a cement truck laid lumps of concrete
along the bottom.. that was the end of that.

I quit skating after that.  

Skating is not a crime.


Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: ANyone heard of WHIP 'n DIP in dallas?? Re: Urg..
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:07:24 GMT

>Another good place was in the valley.. there was an open drainage ditch
>but the concrete was smooth and some sections would go for about 100
>yards.  Once we started skating there, other people driving by would 
>see us and all of a sudden there were a lot of people skating ....
>then someone complained, the cops came, one friend was arrested for 
>messing with them...a week later a cement truck laid lumps of concrete
>along the bottom.. that was the end of that.

the same thing happened to us at Whip and dip... but! we got there on
time... started shoveling it out and had a guy run to a pay phone and
call out more skaters... with in 10minutes a bunch of skaters we heaving
out the wet concrete.. hehe  they've not tried it again... although
everyone has vowed never to paint the walls... (the city comes in
and uses this thick white paint that is very slick)  the ditch is
worth keeping... although once side is getting rougher than the
other (in the transition) and the 'channel' is starting to crack
from the ground shifting...  but the curbs are old and very
heavily waxed and grindible...  Whip and DIp got its name years ago
from the ice cream store with the same name that was across the
street... 

I'll do some sweepers for you!

-- 
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smj@sdf.lonestar.org <Cs&E>            sdf.sysadmin
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: ANyone heard of WHIP 'n DIP in dallas?? Re: Urg..
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:26:27 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Hmm.  Trenches are really beautiful creatures.  My favorite trench,
however, got blasted too.  It was called Poinsettia Trench because if was
off of a street called Poinsettia lane.  It was a mellow trench, with
about 5 foot sides and it had lots of curbs stacked up at various
intervals, all old, worn, tenderly abused.  The trench also snaked
downhill, so it was really easy to keep your speed (or go too fast!!).  It
was about 40 feet long with 15 feet of transition.  For a while some guys
put a really steep quarter pipe at a strategic location, and that was
really fun.. there was also a little ramp to a platform to a fake
hand-rail down that was placed on top of one of the banks.

The first thing that happened was that they snaked all of the curbs
there.. but it was a popular trench, so everybody pitched in and brought
new ones.  The next step they took was to spray concrete gravel
everywhere.  Urg.  We went to skate there one day, and we had a rather
rude awakening.. the sad thing is that the trench is near no houses, it's
in the middle of nowhere.  So whatever.  Poinsettia trench is unskateable,
for the time being.

There was also a cool piece of terrain near Poinsettia called the Funnel. 
It was literally a concrete funnel, about 20 feet deep, with a big storm
drain thingy in the bottom.  It was so fun to drop in and just soul-carve,
weave up the walls and try to keep your speed for as many rotations as
possible.  Sometimes we'd do tandem runs, each person going a different
direction and turning at different intervals.  It was also lighted by a
street light, so it was skatable 24hrs, but probably best to skate at
night because it was so hot to skate it during the day.

One more thing, and of you remember that Transworld a while back with Matt
Hensley on the front doing a big frontside air out of a trench?  That
trench is also right near my house.. it's a bit steeper than Poinsettia,
with walls about 10 feet or so.. there is this one part (where Hensley is
airing) that goes vert under a pipe bridge that goes overhead.  The
picture is taken from under the pipe bridge... the way Hensley is skating,
there is a HUGE 30 foot drop in where the trench is huge, and there are
arrows along the side for where to turn and then finally make the approach
under the bride and take off.  I've never seen anyone skate it though,
partly because it's so crazy, and also because that part is usually pretty
marshy.  Anyway..
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: La la la.
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:16:17 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Whoa... I found a HUGE curb-cut in Oceanside last night.  My friends and I
were skating City Hall (walking a tight rope--the security guards there
are utter and complete asses) when we progressed to a nearby bank.  There
was a curb cut on the bank driveway that was about 2 and a half feet tall
and really steep.  It was almost like a little launch ramp or something. 
We had so much fun playing around with it... but I cracked the tail off of
my Chet Thomas landing a backside 180... urgh.  I usually break boards
pretty often, but most often I can tell when they're going to break..
little signs like extreme flexings, or noises.  I'm now using an older
Chet Thomas, the Santa Cruz Thumb's Up, which is alright, but I can't wait
until after X-mas when I have the money for a new board.

I got a set of McEnroes a couple days ago, and they're beautiful.. just
like ice.  103's are so great... they haven't coned or flat-spotted or
even chunked at all yet.  Ho hum.  Barring any future difficulties,
they're highly recommended.. (the whole Powell clear hard line of wheels.)
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: W/ X-mas cash,
Date: 25 Dec 92 19:22:54 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

I purchased the new H-Street Jason Rogers... it's a really nice deck.  The
graphic is a rip on the old gator spiral, so if you see it, you'll
recognize it :)

The nose on it must be at least 7".
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: Hmm..
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:50:07 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <Bz6oxo.40M@eis.calstate.edu>, sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott) writes:
> any favorites for curb lubricants?   Much experimentation has lead me to
> the conclusion that candle making/jelly sealing parafin is one of the
> slickest.  Or if you just want a temporary slick, try using a bar of Zest.
> Soap is one of the slickest substances around, but once it rains it's
> gone.  Surf wax is sometimes nice... but parafin is cheaper/lasts longer,
> doesn't make everything smell, and is easily accesible at your local
> supermarket.
> 
> Any others anyone can think of?

We got the idea of surfboard resin from Tom Swank.  Simply mix up a batch (add
a little more catalyst so's it'll dry faster) and pour it on.  As long as you
don't do lofty ollie to grinds it should last a while.
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Urg..
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:40:59 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Post you useless skaters!
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Re: whaddya call this?
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:34:18 GMT

michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson) writes:
>Someone was mentioning their terrific "swellbow" the other day which sounded  
>like a lot of fun, so I went out and tried some new tricks but I couldn't get  
>one.  I did, however, get a bashed shin which grew a lump right under the cut  
>which looked like half of a large egg under my skin.  Whoever comes up with a  
>funny word which makes my painful bruise sound cool will win a free set of  
>used rails and 3/4 inch risers.  (Heh.)

I used to slam pretty hard on my fore arms (right under my elbow) and I'd
get these big lumps... and I remember in school (HS) putting my arms flat
on the desk woudl make them Teter-toter...  I would just call them second
elbows..  and whenever I'd get bashed on my shins (don't feel the lumps
anymore, but they stay there for YEARS.. don't they?? hehe) I used to
say 'god, I think i need shin guards' which probably isn't a bad idea..
but hehe.. hmmmm  those were the too main areas taht constantly got
bashed...

OH.. i still skate... (frequent poster..)


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From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: Seasons
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:08:25 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <BzBvDG.FFn@eis.calstate.edu>, sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott) writes:
> Heh.. why don't you just pack up and move to somewhere where there aren't
> any seasons?  Works for me :)
> 

no shit. come to Hawaii and it's as hot in winter as it is in summer. doesn't
even rain that much more. year round skating.
From: briano@hotcity.COM (Brian O'kane)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: 1000 plus degrees???   
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:26:12 PST
Organization: BBS

I was wondering if any one knows if Danny Ways 1000 plus arial is for real???I
have also heard of so other guy who went farther than that so uh could someone
please help me understand who is on toop and what the record is now...

                                        Darkan
                                        Don't Skate
                                        If you can't relate!
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board