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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:35:38 GMT
 <1992Oct6.222643.17181@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>    
 <1992Oct7.165702.18719@nwnexus.WA.COM> <1992Oct8.211540.23545@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: SPSS Inc.

William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.165702.18719@nwnexus.WA.COM>
>jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>
>> Like I said before, apparently not clear enough for some people to get...
>> Give me an alternative to abortion that stops a pregnancy and we'll
>> discuss it.
>> 
>> Jennifer
>
>Jennifer, I have a simple question for you.
>
>Suppose your mother, when she was pregnant with you, decided that
>pregnancy and childraising was too much of a burden and decided to,
>instead, terminate her pregnancy. You wouldn't be here! If my mother
>did so, neither would I!

And neither of you would know or care.

>"Abortion is advocated only by persons that have themselves been born."
>-- Ronald Reagan
"_______" (fill in ANY idea) is advocated only by persons that have themselves 
been born."

 -Steve
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From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Simon Admits he's a Nazi
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:38:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1bmkomINNp5@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.234945.14158@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Now, here, Simon is an example for you to study.  Take a really good look.
>Think about it for a minute.  I've highlighted the 'stupid' part.  Can you
>explain it for us?  Better yet, can you stop doing it?
>
>>The government is not saying anything about who should live or who should die,
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>that is what pro-choice is if you think about it.  Pro-life means all unborn
>                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
>>should live.  and I am not a nazi,racist, etc, ok???
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Read my last postings.
>
>(Shit, now Peter has Simon doing it....)
>
>Adrennei Regard
>
Stupid??  I was defending myself against the charge of being a facsist.


Simon
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Rush Insensitive to human suffering
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:57:51 GMT

In <1992Oct15.231139.15303@rchland.ibm.com>, Jared Dahl writes:

>Rush Limbaugh:  You are an insensitive, hate-monger.

>Making fun of the homeless.  What a man!!

Actually, he makes fun of the homeless advocacy--the same people who get pissed
off when studies show that there are less homeless than their inflated figures
show.  Shouldn't that make them happy?

>Making fun of native americans.  What a humorist!!

Watch it.  I'm an American Indian (native American...yuck) myself, and I'm not
in the least offended.  You deal with your own problems; let us deal with ours.
The people who protest Columbus, the Tomahawk Chop (tm) and so on are usually
not Indians, but white liberals.  Mind your own business.  Who cares?

>Making fun of people with AIDS.  What a celebrity!!

Magic's activities on the AIDS commission showed a clear political agenda.  If
Magic can get political about AIDS, then poking political statements at Magic
are clearly fair game.

Bush is quite a bungler, but I have to confess that I stood up and cheered his
response to the AIDS question in the first debate.

>If you're not part of the solution, you're part of
>the problem.

That last sentence was the Reader's Digest condensed version of Karl Marx.
Pick it up at bookstores in Havana, Beijing, and Berkeley.

And *who* is defining what a PROBLEM is?  And *who* decides how it should be
SOLVED?  I'm doing things which I consider solutions, but you wouldn't like
them, since the recipient has to help him/herself to some degree.  What a
horribly insensitive thought!


Tim Irvin   j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
*****************************************************************************
"Take a breath, Al.  Lighten up." -- Dan Quayle to Al Gore, 10/13/92

Marrou/Lord '92
Genis & Boddie for U.S. Senate
From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The Clinton Lexicon
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:44:41 GMT
Distribution: usa,na
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

In article <1992Oct9.181739.16130@dg-rtp.dg.com> crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes:
>Inspired by a cartoon in Reason Magazine.
>
>What he says.                          What he means.
.....{some good stuff deleted} 
>
>The Republicans are raising that       I haven't figured out a good story
>   issue because they're desperate.       to tell yet.
>
Nowhere is this more clearly illustrated than with his ever-changing
stories on the draft and traveling to the USSR and Czeckoslovakia [sic].
These stories are clearly hitting a raw nerve....


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From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:07:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.163848.3251@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.) writes:

>And if you don't think life begins at conception, WHERE does it begin?
>Some abortion supporters say it happens after "4-5 months". How exact
>is that?? There are only two places where life can commence, in my
>opinion: conception and birth. (And if you say life begins at birth,
>then a baby is dead when it is in the womb, but -- seconds later --
>when it is outside of the womb, it is ALIVE! And what if it is still
>attached to the umbilical cord, but outside the womb? Is it dead or
>alive then? Or is it half-alive???????)

I've never known anyone who was pro-choice that thinks life begins at 4 months.
Though the general public is not as expert in Biology as you claim to be they
do all agree that the sperm and the egg are alive before conception. Maybe
you slept through that particular class. As far as I can tell the federal
govenment is the only one that really claims life starts at birth.(other then
small fantical groups opposed by both pro-choice/life groups)If you don't
believe that this is true then try this experiment. Get your wife/girl pregant. 
Before your baby is born try to use him/her as a tax deduction. Let us know
how you make out. One more time---the pro-choice position has been and is
that the woman has a choice to have an abortion if she desires BUT late term
abortions should only be allowed unless to save the life of the mother. One 
more time---almost all medical experts agree that something like self awareness
occurs sometime in the 2nd tri of pregancy and that is why the vast majority
of Americans consider themselves pro-choice. Hey Will its fine to disagree
but if you're going to agrue against a groups position then you should try to
argue aganist the position that the majority are taking and not that of small
fantical groups.

Stan Knight
|"A world of wanted childern would make a world of difference"|
|			--bumper sticker--                    | 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.221234.14543@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <BvF348.6Fq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>>: kristyp@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson) writes:
>>: 
>>: >Yes, I would agree that most people who engage in sexual activity know
>>: >this, and if they're interested in avoiding conception, they use birth
>>: >control.  They are still risking pregnancy.  HOWEVER, if that contraception
>>: >fails, THERE IS A RELATIVELY SAFE, LEGAL (for the moment) ALTERNATIVE.
>>: 
>>: 	Abortion is certainly not safe for the unborn child involved.
>>
>>Being born to parents who don't want you isn't exactly the safest thing
>>in the world, either.
>>
>Much safer than having your body parts ripped apart and sucked up in 
>a vacuum.
>

In a heckuva lot of cases, not much. I'd love to compare numbers with you 
concerning the physical/sexual abuse of children in these instances.  But of
course that isn't your problem is it......



>Ted
>
>
>-- 
>"Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


"Vote Republican.  It's easier than thinking."

>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu

Tom H.


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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 08:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed
Followup-To: talk.abortion

In  <1992Oct9.211534.21315@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>  sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
> This is what I have been trying to tell these people.  Abortion destroys
> an unique, sentient, feeling person.

Unique?  Yes.  Sentient?  Feeling?  Person?  No!  (At least, not in
99.99+% of abortions.  And the less than .01% (that's about 100 *total*,
per year, in the US) of third trimester abortions that *are* performed are
done for serious health reasons.  The woman is *undoubtedly* a unique,
sentient, feeling person, so if only one can be saved, she gets my vote.)

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush Insensitive to human suffering
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:13:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct15.231139.15303@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>
>Rush Limbaugh:  You are an insensitive, hate-monger.
>
>Making fun of the homeless.  What a man!!
>Making fun of native americans.  What a humorist!!
>Making fun of people with AIDS.  What a celebrity!!
>
>If you're not part of the solution, you're part of
>the problem.  
>
What witty repartee! What shrewd insights! Perhaps you don't listen too well 
to Rush's show, but he does not make fun of the homeless, Native Americans, 
or AIDS victims. He attacks the advocacy groups of each of these people, since
those groups are using them solely for the advancement of their political 
agenda. Rush points out the fallacies, misstatements, and outright lies that 
these groups use to advance their cause, such as the myth that America has 
3 million homeless. 

Rush is part of the solution - just because he doesn't agree with the solutions
that YOU think will work, and which have not worked for 30 years, don't accuse
him of being the problem. The problem is your own closed-mindedness that refuse
to sees anyone who disagrees with you as anything other than insensitive or
a hate-monger.

-- 
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                           | Bill Gates: 36, CEO Microsoft, $6 billion
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: The origin of individual human beings
Summary: Does this asshole really have a brain? 
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Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions?  Dream on... 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.165711.1566@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.201239.4480@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>
>>Also, a fertilized egg _may_ develop into an adult, NOT _will_.  There
>>are many pitfalls along the way to adulthood, and one of the first of 
>>those is the common failure to implant of many zygotes/embryos.
>>
>Bad argument again (like many from your side), since many children and 
>teens likewise will not develop into adults.

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From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:29:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Grass Valley Group

In article <1992Oct10.194649.4134@seq.uncwil.edu>, session@seq.uncwil.edu
(Zack C. Sessions) wrote:
> 
> You place too high a standard for a mere President. Clinton's marital status
> and whether or not he cheated on his wife in the past is totally irrelevant.

I have to disagree. After all the dust settles on the various "issues"
discussed during the campaign, what we're really left with is the character
of the man in the Oval Office. And in that regard, I think Ross Perot (as
quoted by Rush) said it best: "If a man's wife can't trust him, how can I?"
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:54:03 GMT

In <Bw2BKF.L7t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, StarOwl writes:

> (a few lines deleted to save net.bandwidth)

>You must be living in a different United States than I am.  It is
>currently legal for law enforcement officials to arrest you  and
>confiscate your property on mere suspicion of committing a crime.
>When they finally do release you  (for one reason or another),
>they do NOT have to (and they usually don't) return your property
>or compensate you for wrongfully imprisoning you.

Ah, yes.  The War On Drugs (tm).

>I wish that this country still worked on the principle of "innocent
>until proven guilty."  Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be
>reality any more.

It certainly wasn't reality for Clarence Thomas, and it isn't reality for
law-abiding gun owners or the occasional pot smoker...

>--
>Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)           "Republicans understand the
>Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu            importance of bondage between
>Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD            parent and child."
>Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com               -- Dan Quayle
>UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl

>Marrou/Lord in '92

I agree.
From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Logical "Proof" that Abortion is not always murder.
Keywords: Abortion, RU486, twinning, conception
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:40:33 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department



   All you've proved, according to your hypotheses, is that abortion involves
at least one destruction of human life, and possibly more.



John Rickert					    Nil humanum alienum 															
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu		    a me puto.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Principles, principles, principles
From: kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:25:13 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:
> 
> YOU WORM!  YOU LITTLE PIPSQUEAK!  If you think U. S. involvement in
> Vietnam had anything to do with "freedom and peace," you are sorely
> misinformed.  This is not the place to give you a history lesson, or
> to explain to you why World War II was not and is not comparable to
> Vietnam.  If it were, I'd be happy to catalog for you the various
> less-than-noble "causes" for which thousands of people died while
> "hawks" like Dannikins played shuffleball in Indiana.  If you need
> to get your testosterone flowing, stick to whooping about the Gulf
> massacre -- you have no credibility when it comes to Vietnam.
> 
> 
> Dhanesh

You've got damned little credibility yourself, guy. We may have LOST ine
VietNam because of people like you, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't
an important cause, even a noble one. 

It's fashionable, when liberals talk about the "domino theory", to
emphasise the quotation marks so as to try to discredit the idea that if
Viet Nam fell to the communists, that the rest of southeast Asia might
fall as well. And yet, Viet Nam WAS taken over by the communists; Laos WAS
taken over by communists; Cambodia was taken over by the communists, to
the tune of 5 million dead in the "killing fields". Thailand was a damned
close call; the Thais repelled the Viet Namese communist army only after a
long struggle. Malaysia, Indonesia; same story. We held back the commnists
for 10 years; the time we bought there MAY have made the difference in
preventing the REST of southeast Asia from becoming dominos as well.
Because the dominos DID fall. 

To attack the Viet Nam war as somehow wrong or immoral is to APPROVE of
the Khmer Rouge murders and the Viet Namese "re-education" camps. 

Talk to a few "boat people", and then try to speak sense in the future. 

Ken Mitchell
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:37:01 GMT

In article <1687E86A2.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.024125.7749@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>>"Intelligent Liberal" is an oxymoron, and a liberal is just a moron.
>>
>>:)
>>Simon
>
>Simon...until now, I respected you, because you seemed to be trying to
>have a serious debate.  Now, you have sunk to silly name-calling, and
>you have lost my respect.  And *NO*, the smiley does not change that.
>
>I am quite a bit more liberal than you, although I do not find myself
>in agreement with all "liberal" positions.  I am considered intelligent
>by everyone who knows me.  You just insulted me with your silly
>comments.  If you want to have a serious discussion with people, that
>is not the right way to proceed.
>
I got equally "silly" flames in e-mail.  So now my side of the debate
is invalid because I told a joke??  I'll keep up this debate, in a serious
manner, what you saw is posted in measured amounts, not indiscriminately.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Simon Booth comes out pro-choice
Followup-To: talk.abortion 
Summary: And I'm the Pope. 
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[Ok, Simon.  Please subscribe to talk.abortion, and let's take this out
of all the rest of the newsgroups, ok?]

[Followups set to talk.abortion.]

In article <1992Oct8.073626.1003@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Actually, there will be ice floes on the River Styx before THAT happens.

Please post your documentation showing that the River Styx doesn't have
ice floes...

>
>Let me rephrase that--I should have said "Perhaps there are extreme
>circumstances where abortion might be an option, but I am still against it.."

Ok, Simon, let's get to the "extreme" circumstances.  If my Aunt Ann gets
pregnant and tries to carry to term, she *WILL* have her spinal column snap,
and wind up being paralyzed and in a wheelchair for the rest of her life.

She's on the pill.  Ed (her husband) uses a condom every time they have
sex.  They don't want to go in for steralization on the hopes that they
will come up with some sort of precedure that will fix Ann's back, in which
case they'd love to have another child.

She gets pregnant.

Would you let her have an abortion?

Why should she have to ask you?

>I can't just walk away from this.  I have committed myself to this debate
>and cannot give up.  That would be wrong.

Actually, you're wrong.  But that's ok.

>
>I have corrected my previous posting that was thought to be a vote for pro-
>choice.  I should not have been so vague.

No you shouldn't have.  The only way people can tell what you're attempting
to get across is to read your words.
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From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Polls, impacts on the masses
Keywords: Las Vegas counts more
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:28:10 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

In article <1992Oct9.211553.28120@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>
>	Interesting, since gambling on elections is illegal as far as I know,
>even in Vegas. The odds in London are (or rather were, last week)
>
>	Clinton to win: 3-1
>	Bush to win:    1-2
>
>Unless these have changed pretty radically, one of the following is true:
>
>	(1) You are wrong
>	(2) Vegas gamblers are at odds with European gamblers
>
>My money on is on choice #1, in both bets.
>

Gee, the Weekly Reader poll of elementary students shows Bush winning
55% to 45%.  They have been correct ever since 1952.


Are the London bookies ever wrong?  (I'm sure they are at stages in the
race, but the odds keep changing right up until the voting starts.)

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