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From:         Art Gonzalez <ARTG@LAGUNA.EPCC.EDU>
Subject:      Campus Security Issues
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One of my colleagues asked me to post the following inquiry on the
networks.  This issue is dealing with campus security and I'm not
sure where to post this.  Please excuse any inconvenience that this
may cause.

My colleague wants to know how your institution handles
student, faculty, and staff vehicle registrations.  What procedures
are used in regard to the vehicle registration?  What are the fees
that the vehicle owner must pay?

She also wants to know how you handle traffic citations that occur
on campus?  Are the tickets hand written and later entered into the
computer?  If not, are the tickets entered on hand held computers
to be fed electronically into another computer?  If the electronic
method is used, what company or manufacturer are you using for the
equipment and software?

She'd like to get names and phone numbers of individuals to contact
regarding these questions.

Thanks in advance.

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From:         "Judith Kirkpatrick" <KIRKPATR@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

Eric:  Please sign me up.  Thanks

Judith Kirkpatrick    Kirkpatr@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
Kapiolani Community College
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From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re Daedalus Demo Difficulties (DDD)

Brian, Daedalus works fine under System 6.X and AppleShare 2.0. (We're running
it on Mac Pluses.)  The "Disk Error" message is almost always a result of the
way you've set sharing privileges for the Daedalus folder and the Instructors
folder within it.  Both folders must be set to allow *all* privileges for
everyone.

AppleShare 2.0 sets all privileges only for the owner when you create the new
Daedalus folders. When someone else tries to logon, the program can't open the
Instructors folder to read its Instructor List, and it thinks the disk is
locked-- hence the "Disk Error" message. As new users register, they must also
be able to write to the folders to add their names to the user list.

Set those privileges, and you should have no more problems.  (Oops! Remember
also to check privileges for the folders of individual instructors as you
create them.)

Bob Boston
Coordinator
Computer Writing Classrooms
Iowa State University
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From:         Amanda Corcoran <YKFAC@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: daedalus

Irv,
Peter Trudgill's book SOCIOLINGUISTICS contains an interesting
chapter on "Language and Sex."  Not particularly oriented toward
academe, but interesting and possibly applicable for BG reading.

Amanda Inskip Corcoran--Texas Tech
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Eric, may I have a copy also?
  Boyd Davis        fen00bhd at unccvm
  English Dept
  UNCC   Charlotte NC 28223
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:59:00 CDT
From:         lady brown <YKFLB@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Oh, Happy Days!

David,
I've been thinking about the budget cuts affecting my university,
and I've concluded that the administration needs to calculate how
many faculty members they can pay and then determine a reasonable
course load and then cut off admission once the student-faculty
ratio is met.  Continuing to admit students when the university
can no longer provide a "quality" education by competent faculty
members seems immoral.  Lady Falls Brown, Texas Tech
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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: daedalus
              93 8:19 am

John:
That's exactly what I needed to know--and half-suspected from
the disguised flyer.
Thanks.
Irv
--
Irvin Peckham
University of Nebraska at Omaha
peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:53:08 -0700
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      not grading essay/ but satisfying the registrar

Sorry, Irv. I read it. Couldn't help myself. How many students do you have? If
you had the five classes of 25 that most community college teachers have, th
earth would have to stop spinning on occasion for you to get your
"non-grading" done within the compass of what we call a week. And, hey, folks,
if you want to hear the rest of this discussion, you can attend our session at
4C's (A Session).

-- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
___Arizona State University West
___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:49:00 CDT
From:         Mary OSullivan <MFOSULLI@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: daedalus

>
>Irv,
>I don't know about Writer's Helper, but instructors can quite
>easily customize both invention heuristics and revision guides in
>Daedalus by using DAEDALUS MAIL for both or just the invention
>part, and by using DAEDALUS RESPOND to make your own question
>series.
>
>You're right; the Daedalus included heuristics are a little
>overwhelming for many student writers and a little too generic
>for really useful application to many writings.  The customizing
>capabilities, however, allow the instructor more flexibility in
>the classroom with these applications than is often first
>apparent.
>
>Hope this helps clarify a little.
>
>Amanda Inskip Corcoran--Texas Tech

I agree with Amanda.  I have sometimes assigned students to answer only chosen
questions out of the 37 or so in the two Daedalus Invent options.
The most useful part of Daedalus is really the conferencing software.
There are other programs that offer more options for inventions, like
Writer's Helper.
Writer's Helper can work well with Daedalus--I am hoping the budget for next
year allows me to purchase it and add it to the software available in our
computer-supported writing classroom.  WH has LOTS of invention routines and
some text analysis programs that can be useful when working with students
to help them begin to see how one might go about revising a piece.  WH can
also be customized and is very easy to use.

Mary O'Sullivan
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From:         I'm saving my life <TABRON@BRANDEIS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: cites of "silenced" women and minorities in trad. classes

Irv Peckham mentions that he is looking for citations/evidence that women
and/or minorities speak out less in the classroom. Sorry I don't have
any studies' names to offer, but I have seen information published on
studies done at Vassar that show that, even though it was originally a
Seven Sisters' school, once it went coed, the percentage of classtime devoted
to men's questions became equal to the national average.Given the opportunity,
even professors that had worked at Vassar for years recognized and answered
male students more often in class than female.

maybe if you looked for material on Vassar you could find the citations
for the "national" studies to which they were comparing their results?

Judith Tabron
Brandeis Unive.
tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
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From:         WWOOD@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: cites of "silenced" women and minorities in trad. classes

Irv, regarding the amount of airtime women get in classrooms--one relevant
study that has gotten a lot of national attention is one done by Susan
Bailey of the Wellesely Center for Research on Women.  I think the title
of the study is "How Schools Shortchange Girls" (or at least, that's how
it seems to be frequently referred to around here) and you could get a copy
by calling the CRW (617-283-2500), or writing them (Center for Research
on Women, Cheever House, Wellesley College, 106 Central St., Wellesley
MA 02181) or perhaps even emailing them (I think Cynthia Loker would be
able to help, cloker@lucy.wellesley.edu).  I imagine there is a charge for
it, but I don't know what it is.

Wini Wood
wwood@lucy.wellesley.edu
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:53:01 -0600
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: our teachers, our students

Irv
I have to blame myself: I knew the situation going in, and overestimated my
ability to change it.  It took me a LONG time just to get the Associate Dean
to stop sending memos about stuff that affected my program to the Chair and
have him send them to me, so I knew what was being done to me.  Apparently he
just couldn't believe a female person was truly in charge.  (The Chair and I
met with him over something or other, and after our 90 minutes meeting I
almost had to hold the Chair down, he was so incensed by this Ass Dean (Associat
   e, I mean, of course!)'s continual interruption and talking over me.  I just
wished I had it on audiotape--would have ben perfect data for my discourse
analysis seminar!!
Liz Hamp_Lyons
English/Applied Language
University of Colorado, Denver
LHAMPLYONS@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:25:25 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      daedalus

This is a continuation of the recent requests for cites
on women and minorities being generally silenced in
traditional classrooms--good cites, by the way.  I think
they'll do the trick; thanks to all.

To the message:  I'm trying to scronge funds to get Daedalus
for us.  Last price quote I heard for network of about 20
computers was $4000.00 (which I know my funding agency is going
to balk at--until Clinton works his magic).  I just received
a mailer from SMP advertising "Writer's Prologue" as the
"Daedalus Integrated Writing Environment."  Price is about
$400.00 for a 20 computer user site license.  What gives?
What's the difference between this and the traditional daedalus.
Actually, what I am looking for is a program that has the
general collaborative features of daedalus-- but I want to
design my own prewriting activities (I think those on Daedalus
are a bit generic) and guides for peer response.  I just need
a program that will allow me to insert my own let's-write-
about-this-and-this-and-this to get some ideas going for each
writing situation and my own these-kind-of-things-are-generally-
important-in-writing-situations-of-this-type.  Plus, I like the
syncronous communication abilities of Daedalus--as I understand
it.

Information?
Advice?

And what does Writer's Helper offer that Daedalus and Writers's
Prologue doesn't?
Irv
--
Irvin Peckham
University of Nebraska at Omaha
peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:18:29 CST
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:10:56 EST <rselfe@MTU.EDU> said:
>Eric,
>
>Let me join the bandwagon for WIOLE.  How are your systems people reacting
>to establishing a listserv?
>
I haven't heard back from them yet, but this seems to be the routine
here. It takes a note or two, a phone call, and maybe a visit to
their turf before connections get made, details ironed out. It might
take another week to find out if they'll OK the list, then another
week to get it started. Will keep y'all posted.    --Eric
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:37:06 -0500
From:         MEEKER@VAX2.WINONA.MSUS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Mac Hypertext Software

Here is all the information I have on LINKSWARE (LinksWare Corp, 641 Lily
Street, Monterey, CA 93940-1631)

It supposedly:

-creates hypertext-like links using the original files of word processor
and graphics programs;
-does not alter files in any way;
-works with CD ROM, QuickTime, etc.;
-displays files without need for original program;
-makes links to actual words, not screen positions;
-allows unlimited links per file, unlimited files linked;
-can create stand-alone files;
-allows access to all linked words in a menu

I have not used it and would like to know more.

(Just found a telephone number: 1/800/LINK and 408/372-4155 but couldn't
get through on the 800 number)

Mike Meeker
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From:         MEEKER@VAX2.WINONA.MSUS.EDU
Subject:      Mac Hypertext Software

Other than HyperCard itself, what hypertext authoring programs are
available?

I have read about Intermedia but haven't been able to get any recent
information about it.

And does anyone know about LinksWare?

	Thanks,

	Mike Meeker
	Winona State University
	Winona, MN 55987
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From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: not grading essay/ but satisfying the registrar

David:
16 for first sem./ 20 for second.  You're right about
25 making it tough.
Still note (if we referring to the time I spend reading
a portfolio--for an essay--and writing my evaluation), I
can keep the time to a half-hour per student.  Part of
my response form is a macro.  Actually, a few of my
phrases are macros.  Fairly predictable ones.  Maybe
I'll write a program that sort of randomly  combines
macros.
irv
--
Irvin Peckham
University of Nebraska at Omaha
peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:32:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Digest mail is really screWey these days! (1)

Entry: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 20:04:58 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1993Jan04.200458.v7.060.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: Digest mail is really screWey these days! (1)
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Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

The mail between gateways has been very unreliable for the Digest since mid
December. Some Digests are taking a week or more to get to the UL Vax where
they are mailed to subscribers. This has caused at least three issues to be
double mailed to some sites during that period. I apologize for any
inconveniences this may cause.

Also I have been getting a rash of "Unknown Mailer Error"  and
"Unbalanced '<'" errors from a few Canadian sites. These have occurred in
the past and usually disappear after a few weeks. But if any of our
Canadian readers are having trouble with reception, these errors are the
likely suspects.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Information wants to be free."
                                                         - A Retrofuturist

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From: Gallus <galbri@bernoulli.bethel.edu>
Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What I was NOT complaining about/ (Required Courses)
 (18) (16)
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>

> Honestly, I wasn't complaining.
>

I apologize for the miscommunication.


As a second year computer science student who happens to be very concerned with
 this country's future, I see todays college students learning nary as much as t
hose
 of 15 to 20 years ago.  This is not just a college phenomona, as elementary,
 middle and highschools are saddly lacking in the funds and abilities to

thoroughly educate the children of today.  By allowing students to be taught

in over-crowded, under managed schools, they nolonger are learning even

the core curriculim; people are graduating high school unable to read and write.
The point that I am trying to make is that this is a sad cycle that ends in the

colleges.  By not teaching students about the world in the lower educational

levels, they nolonger have an active interest in doing so when they finally have

the chance.  Because of this, and the fact that colleges are forced to meet the

needs (wants) of their students, as this is how bills are paid, the schools are

forced to "compromise" the curriculim to meet the wants of the students; Trainin
g
for a job.  This is something that I see not only in my school, but in the fact
that

so-called "tech" schools are taking a bigger part of the educational "Pie."

Students want only what they need to get a decent paying job.  This is why

I see the need for general education courses to be a well rounded, broad

view of what these students need to learn, or at least think about.  No school

is perfect, but they are doing their best.
As a person who has asperations of teaching at the college level, I am a bit

concerned that the required amount of general education classes are
becoming less and less.  If this keeps up, the country will be filled with no
liberal arts schools, and thousands of "tech" schools; I want my children to

attend a school that will educate them in more than just a technical fashion.
After all, isn't college the place where we are supposed to "find ouselves"?

       Young, yet concerned-
        Brian K. Gallus
                (galbri@bethel.edu)

P.S.  Snappy quotation yes, but disclaimer?

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:08:36 EST
From:         Karla Saari Kitalong <KITALONG@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List for academic advisors?

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about lists for academic
advisors. I have located, subscribed to, and been enlightened by
ACADV@NDSUVM1.

 ------------------------
 Karla Saari Kitalong
 ------------------------------
 Academic Computing Specialist - Department of Humanities
 Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI  49931
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From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: List for academic advisors?

Karla:

Try acadv at ndsuvm

   __________________________________________
   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
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   CIS:     72630,3633
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:19:00 CDT
From:         Mary OSullivan <MFOSULLI@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: deconstructing FE

Bill Wresch said:
>If the discussion can stand two more comments on FE, let me add my two cents
>worth.
>
>All UW campuses have to do assessment.  We currently assess at the end of the
>sophomore year for writing and math, and starting next year will assess all
>seniors in their major.  What we have been finding is that FE works (BTW, so
>does math).  There is a substantial gain for students by the time they are
>sophomores.  As long as we can establish a clear benefit to students, I'm not
>going to worry as much about the course.

I had no idea there was a state mandated assessment program in the UW system.
Could you explain a little more, please.
1.What type of instrucment is used for the writing assessment?
2. Since you said
students had a "substantial gain", I assume that means there is some type of
pre-test administered too--what is used?

Mary O'Sullivan
From: hughes@unixg.ubc.ca (Ken Hughes)
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Date: 6 Jan 1993 04:40:26 GMT
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In article <MBU-L%92123014203636@TTUVM1.BITNET> 
   Karla Saari Kitalong <KITALONG@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU> writes:
>Does anyone know of an e-mail list for academic advisors?

I'm giving you a rather poor response but I don't know what you know
or have access to ...

I went hunting on this Q cuz I thought there was *exactly* such a
group set up last year as a Listserv.  However, checking for the strings
"advis" "acad" and "grad" in the bit.admin material yields nothing,
If there was such a group, perhaps they have folded.  ??

You could try asking your question on:
  bit.listserv.edpolyan    EDPOLYAN@ASUACAD.BITNET   auvm.american.edu
  bit.listserv.ashe-l      Higher Ed Policy and Research
 or
  bit.listserv.erl-l       Educational Research List

Good hunting.
Ken Hughes
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