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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Avoid ClubMac -- Not.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: ICS Department, U.C.I.
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:24:05 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware


ClubMac is not alone in this. Many many many OEMs ship external drives with
marginal power supplies. This is the big temptation with modern switching
PSs. The specs say it should be ok but these really need to be overspec'd
by about 25% to be reliable.

I have always found this skimping on power supplies confusing because the
PS is such a small fraction of the manufacturing cost. The plastic case
costs more! But if you are a large company and you order PSs by the
hundreds, a couple of dollars difference really starts to add up, I guess.

I, too, have had trouble with ClubMac external drives' power supplies. I've
bought dozens of them and I'd guess that around 1/3 have failed power
supplies.

  --scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: A whinge about keyboards
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:32:14 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <ARO.92Dec18113356@csthor.aber.ac.uk> aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes:
>Why do Apple feel the need to change the keyboard layout with each new
>generation of keyboards?

Probably to get people to buy the extended keyboard.

Personally, I like the original Apple Extended Keyboard the best, but
the new Extended Keyboard II is second only to the first, IMO.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: summeral@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Summerall  Thomas G)
Subject: Outbound lays off 50 workers, ceases production.
Summary: What does this mean for Mac compatibles?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:54:50 GMT

The word here in Boulder, where Outbound has its factory, is that they ceased
manufacturing on tuesday and are looking for a buyer.

This closes an interesting chapter in the debate over whether or not mac
compatibles should exist.  Outbound seemed to have attained viability when
Apple agreed to sell them plus ROMs for use in their units. 

But I guess people were scared of a small company who couldn't guarantee
compatibility with future system software or continued cooperation from Apple.

Some of their units were much more feature packed than comparably priced
powerbooks, and were hardware upgradeable as well.

They had a lot of innovations, but in the Mac side of the market it seems that
there still isn't room for outside competition.

This brings up what to me is one of the most interesting aspects of the PowerPC
agreement between IBM and Apple.  Will any PowerPC run the new OS that's
being developed by Apple and IBM at Kaleida (or Taligent, I can never keep 
those silly monikers straight?)  If so, it seems that the market will change
drasticlly when Apple is faced with hardware/software compatibles made by
third parties.  It's a little different from the PC compatibles because IBM
and Apple will have shares of the OS profits which are now all garnered by
Microsoft from the PCs.  Will the fees for hardware/software rights be so high
that any competition will be forced to be as expensive as Apple?  Or will there
be an explosion of cheap compatibles like there is for the PCs?

And what is Microsoft planning in case the PowerPCs become dominant.  Will they
have some PowerPC version of windows?

FYI,

Thomas Summerall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail)
Subject: Re: Sun Remarketed Lisa, Is it worth it?
Keywords: Lisa, Mac Plus, Power Supply
Organization: Softwords Research International Ltd., Victoria, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 01:24:24 GMT

In article <1ftuv7INNan6@lester.appstate.edu> jfj@cs (James F. Jarrett) writes:
>
>I have a friend selling a Sun Remarketing Mac Lisa.  They bought up all the
>old Lisas and turned them into mac plusses.  My questions are...
>
>This one has a bad power supply:  How hard/expensive would it be to get
>a new one....
>
>Next, is this computer (with bad power supply) which has screen, 1 Mac SD drive,
>20 meg hard drive and very little memory free (about 512 K) worth the $200.00
>he is asking for it?
>
>Thirdly, if it is not such a bad deal, and I tend to think it isn't, can te
>thing be upgraded with more memory (I know the hard-drive can be upped.) 

You can buy replacement power supplies from Dafax Processing Corp. or 
Sun Remarketing, Inc.

You can also buy more memory, SCSI interface, 800k floppy, and an updated
emulator "MacWorks Plus II" which allows the Lisa (or Mac XL) to run System
6.0.8 (and System 7 next year).

An accelerator board is also available, but my opinion is biased. I'd suggest
waiting for the new (less expensive) XLerator-12 which will give more speed,
and more memory (4Mb and more).

Sam Neulinger at Dafax Processing Corp. is very knowledgeable about Lisa
things. He is at (718) 746-8220 or (800) 323-1751 fax: (718) 746-1071
14 North Drive, Malba, NY  11357

As far as deciding whether it is worth it or not, I think you should ask
Sam about upgrade prices and compare with your alternative choices for
a Mac. I know a lot of people find the Lisa continues to be a viable
machine, but they have put a lot more into it over the years.

My opinion is biased due to my involvement in some of the products
mentioned above.

James MacPhail  jmacphai@cue.bc.ca  james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca  (604) 743-2416
From: Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Are SIMMS for the Mac and PC the same?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:37:57 GMT
Organization: Civil Engineering, Univ of BC
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.civil.ubc.ca

I guess the subject line sez it all:

Is it possible to use PC SIMMs in a Mac, and vice-versa?

Another question: How can I tell the speed of a SIMM (100ns or 80ns)? Do
the numbers on the chips provide any clues?

Thanks for any help.

Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca
Ocean Engineering
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, Canada
From: John.S.Erickson@dartmouth.edu (John S. Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Screen projection systems for the Mac??
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:08:02 GMT
Organization: Thayer School of Engineering, Dartmouth College, Hanover, 
 NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

How 'bout reading the article "Crystal Clear Presentations", page 156
of the January '93 MacWorld. Compares 15 LCD projection units, with
"multimedia" presentations in mind.

John Erickson                       
John.Erickson@Dartmouth.edu
Thayer School of Engineering     (whom I don't speak for...)
Dartmouth College                (whom I don't speak for...)
Hanover, NH 03755                (whom I don't speak for, either...)
802-649-5216                     (if you want to hear me speak!)
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: System 7.1 /Duo Problems?
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:14:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  Funny, the startup manager with NOW utilities isn't compatible with
7.1 either.

                              -- Nick

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:27:06 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac vs. PC (hardware comparison)


merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield) writes:
> from the wages of PC use.  Certainly IBM/clones have a niche in the world of
> personal computing. My intent is to point out that if you want a high

ps.  the macs are a hell of a lot more of a niche market that PC
compatibles 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Joe_Nartowicz@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:19:58 EST
Subject: Re: Powerbook/Duo keyboards

The Duo keyboard has all the normal keys but they're placed a bit differently.
The bottom row, from left to right is CTRL, OPT, CMND, ESC, Space bar, ENTER,
Left Arrow, Right Arrow, Down Arrow, Up Arrow. Tab, Caps Lock, Shift (both),
Return, and Delete and where they normally are. The Caps Lock key has a green
LED to indicate when it is engaged. The only problem I've had with the
keyboard is when using it in my lap. The Duo is so light, that the pressure
from pressing the keys rocks the Duo back and forth. I think I need to find
another rest spot for the Duo. Other than that, the keyboard is great. The
trackball, being so small, does take some time to get used to. I use a
Kensington Turbo trackball on my desktop so moving from one to the other is a
big change.

-- Joe
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From: jbg@sdc.boeing.com (James Glidewell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: THE FINAL WORD IN THE MAC vs PC BATTLE....
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:30:19 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA

In article <1992Dec16.113602.9614@ac.dal.ca>, seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> In article <wondertr.724477171@sfu.ca>, wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center) writes:
|> > I will end this discussion once and for all.
|> > The best machine is the one that makes you the most MONEY!!
|> The best machine is the one that makes you the most PRODUCTIVE!!

Aw, come on... money and productivity aren't the reasons I bought my Mac.

For me,

The best machine is the one that is the most FUN!!!!

-- 
Jim Glidewell
jbg@sdc.boeing.com or jbg%sdc@atc.boeing.com
From: hook@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jim"BITTER"Goldstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Internal FDHD upgrade w/ROM for MacII wanted
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:25:44 GMT


	I am very interested in getting a superdrive upgrade for my MacII.
	I understand it requires a ROM upgrade. How much does it cost?
	Where can I get it? Who has it? If you do or know the answer to
	any of these questions please e-mail me: hook@mcl.ucsb.edu

		Thanks,
			Jim Goldstein 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rkay@ausom.oz.au (Richard Kay)
Subject: Re: QuickTime & System 7.1 & PowerBook 160 Problem
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:52:43 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani) writes:

> I have had no problem playing movies on the 160... but then again,
> I've only played the movies that Apple ships with their machines.

Rajiv, she no wanna work on my PowerBook 160!

With the System software that came with my 160 I got a disk
called QuickTime 1.0. On it there is:

QuickTime Read Me File
QuickTime Extension (Version 1.0 by the way)
Scrapbook
TeachText Application
Replacement Scrapbook File Folder



In the Replacement Scrapbook File Folder there is:

Scrapbook File
Scrapbook File Read Me
7.MooV
1.MooV


So, I read the directions and drag the QuickTime extension and then
the Scrapbook file from the Replacement Scrapbook File Folder to my
System Folder -- both items are automatically placed in the correct
location by the System. Then I drag each of the MooV's to the root
level of my hard disk. I restart the machine, notice the QuickTime
icon in the bottom left hand corner of the screen during startup, and
go to the Scrapbook with the intention of playing a movie.

In the Scrapbook I find a small, dark square at 2/9 and 3/9 -- page 2
and 3 of 9 pages of the Scrapbook I guess this means. These are both
described as moov, PICT. There are no other tools or buttons or
QuickTime movie arrows visible. I click, double-click, and even
triple-click all over the goddamn dark squares but to no avail!

HELP! WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

I have got eveything installed haven't I?

Thanks in advance.





-- 
Richard Kay
E-mail: rkay%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: egurney@vcd.hp.com (Ed J. Gurney)
Subject: Q950 internal drive power cables?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:36:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

I just got a Quadra 950 8/0 and went to install an internal hard disk...
only to find Apple didn't include a power cable to go from the internal
power supply to the drive!  Does anyone know if (a) this cable can be
ordered from anyone, or (b) what the connector type is on the Delta
Electronics power supply so I can have one of our EEs order the connector
and make a cable?

Any info would be appreciated...

Thanks and regards,
Ed

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jules@kbsw1 (Jules Dubois)
Subject: Re: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: none
Followup-To: alt.flame

In article <1992Dec10.034521.14248@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:

>MPW provides all the CLI I ever want on the Mac, but I still almost never use
>it.  The reason Windows users keep the DOS Prompt at hand is that Windows is
>painful to use in many areas.  One example of this is deleting locked files.
>On the Mac, you drag files to the trash, hit empty trash, are warned that 
>some files are locked, and select empty trash again, this time with option
>held down.  Windows does not to my knowledge provide any such simple tool.
>How about doing recursive deletes (rm -R *.*): on the Mac, you hit Select-
>All and drag to the trash, and empty it.  If you wanted to delete every
>file under a particular directory, drag it to the trash if you are on a Mac.
>Windows does not have SIMPLE things like this implemented in any usable
>fashion, at least not one that I know.  How about .....?  Windows is simply
>to painful to use for many things.

This drivel does not involve IBM hardware.  Please stop cross-posting.
From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi question related to Apple XMAS special
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:53:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC

In article <4f=yA_q00WB3MIp5ZO@andrew.cmu.edu>, Faisal Nameer Jawdat
<fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> osuch@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bill O'Such) writes:
> > I recently got a flyer from Apple for a XMAS special.  A MAC IIsi,
> > 3MB memory, 40MB hard disk, 14 inch color monitor, extended keyboard,
> > all for $1699.  It seems like a good deal (maybe too good) for home.
> > Are there any problems with the IIsi or is there something in this
> > deal that I'm missing.
> 
> Well that's such a ridiculously minimal configuration that I wouldn't
> ever consider it.  For any sort of serious use you'll need at least 5
> megs ram and an 80 meg hard drive, or system 7 will be a dog, and
> you'll run out of drive space in a flash.
> 
Yes but this still sounds like a great price to me.  Adding more memory and
a bigger hard disk for a 5/80 config. would cost less than $500.  $2199 is
still a good price for this system assuming that you get the 14" trinitron
monitor and not the performa monitor with it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: patlin_s@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Inside Mac files
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:35:34 GMT

OK, after dowloading all the IM files (at 1200 baud!) I have a problem.
1st, anyone else doing this should know that stuffit expander apparently
does not handle segmented archives, but stuffit lite will.  Second,
and more troublesoms, my ancient version of Hypercard (1.5.2 I think,
it hasn't been on my system for more than a few days in the last several
years) won't open it.

Is there a hypercard updater?

As I understand it, Hypercard is thoroughly copyrighted, despite the
fact that it came "free" with my system.  Is there a way to open the
IM files, or are the hours of downloading merely going to result in
a big white elephant on my hard disk that I can't open?

Thanks,

Scott.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jrg@punch (James R. Goble)
Subject: Re: Anybody know of any NuBus devlopment boards?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:30:59 GMT

In article <1gabunINNsnd@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de  
(Andreas Mueller) writes:
> In article <17459@umd5.umd.edu>, gadams@eng.umd.edu (Geoff Adams)  
writes:
> > I'd like to develop a NuBus board for Macs to do some video
> > coprocessing.  I've heard mentions of "NuBus development boards,"
> > or boards which have the correct form factor and already have the
> > necessary bus decoding/arbitration circuitry soldered in.  Does
> > anyone have any idea from whom I could buy such boards, or even
> > some general idea of their cost?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Geoff
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know a company here in Berlin which is selling a board.
> It seems that it is something you are looking for.
> I know that it is a little bit difficult for you to get it from here, so
> if you do not have success in the states send me a mail and
> I will see if I could get some information for you.
> 
> Gruesse aus Berlin,
> 
> andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de

Fry's in Sunnyvale and Los Angeles sell NuBus Mac boards.  These boards a  
totally depopulated.  Meaning you supply the interface.  The boarrds have  
the socket and are predrilled for prototyping.  About $60.

Jim Goble,
Los Angeles
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine)
Subject: Re: IIci new XTAL?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:32:43 GMT

In <1992Dec14.140919.17769@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> Ben Burch <Burch_Ben@wes.mot.com> writes:

>Has anybody tried a 30MHz crystal in a IIci?  Thanks!

Not that I know of, though it ought to work for similar reasons to those
that justify doing this to a IIsi - and you have the added bonus of
being able to replace the CPU with a faster model, and *all* of the memory
with faster units (the IIsi has 1Mbyte soldered in, 80ns in my board).

Oh yeah - a faster FPU may be needed too, though going to 28 or 30Mhz
should be possible.

Caveat emptor as they say - though my machine has been running extremely
reliably at 25 for some months... (a IIsi).  I tried 32Mhz, but with no
luck... could be anything: RAM, ROM, custom chips, etc etc...

Please read the IIsi FAQ carefully before trying any of this (well done to 
its composer, and a suggestion: post it once a week for a little while??)

Regards,
Paul

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From: gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe)
Subject: IIvx recalled?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:55:46 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I just heard that the IIvx are being recalled?

Any one else heard anything about this?

Tim
From: oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PC is faster than Mac? Myth or Truth?
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:35:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Dec20.203501.11268
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Dec20.124013.998@sc2a.unige.ch> kanala@sc2a.unige.ch writes,
among other things:

>In article <18DEC199221474055@rosie.uh.edu>, mece1us@rosie.uh.edu writes:
>> I would like to know whether PC is really faster than a Mac for the same
>> clock speed and similar model CPU.
>
>Yes and no. PC is not faster than a Mac for the same speed and similar model
>CPU when running similar user interface, like Macintosh system software and
>MS-Windows applications launcher. However, PC _is_ faster than Mac when running
>bare MS-DOS, especially in calculations, because of lack of the overhead for
>the slow screen redraw, system code overhead (SANE, Stardand Apple Num.
>Environment), etc.

No. Can be, perhaps, but not is.  I wrote a C program under Unix that needed
to be run to a portable computer.  I used Borland C++ 3.1 on a Zeos (I
think) 386/20 under MS-DOS 5.0 for the PC port and Think C 4.0 on a
Powerbook 140 ('030/16) under System 7 for the Mac port.  Both were minimal
ports.  On a certain, representative data set, the PC version took about
4min 55sec to analyze the data.  On the same data, the Mac version took about
1min 40sec.  We then tested the program on a Toshiba (again, I think) 486/16
(also MS-DOS 5.0) and it took about 1min 30sec.  The Toshiba and Powerbook
were about the same price.

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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Buy pb180 now, or wait for Febuary pb's?
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:01:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


One:  The color PB will not arrive in Feb.  Apple won't release it
before they release the color classic, look for that in Feb.  The
color PB will arrive - maybe - Q3 '93, or later.  Even then, ask
anyone waiting on a Duo or 180, it'll take a while for it to be 
available academically, or at a resonable price.

Two:  I doubt the 180 will drop much in Feb, even with the release of
the other Mac's.  The backorder is so great on it that dropping the
price would be like giving away money.  If you can find one, go for
it now.  

   (a happy new Duo owner)

                                     -- Nick


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