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From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Juvenile Diabetes and cows milk (new study)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:17:39 GMT

>In article <1992Jul27.124310.5557@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gordonb@mot.com 
>(Gordon Berkley) writes:
>> Help!  We just received a call from my sister-in-law telling us that
>> our 6 year-old niece has juvenile diabetes.  I know that this topic was
>> heavily discussed in the past, but - as is always the case - at the time
>> I was not interrested.
>> 

In the paper this morning (July 30) an article talked of a 
recent study showing a correlation between drinking 
cows milk and the onset of Juvenile Diabetes in people
genetically prone to the disease. It has to do
with some enzymes found in cows milk that trigger the
disease.

No causal effect has been shown yet but another larger
study is slated which may involve 4000 genetically
prone infants.

Note: I drink some milk, my wife drinks a lot. My daughter
drinks no milk due to a suspected allergy.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19716 sci.med:14545
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: 27 Jul 1992 14:03:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.think.com

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
>8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.

>First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
>Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
>I really want to hear.

It's possible, but very unlikely, that they've gotten your blood type
wrong. The test is very simple, and O- is a common type. There are
always clerical errors, though.

>Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
>opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
>is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
>and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
>developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
>any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
>against the child being in my womb.

>In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
>handicaps, etc.

It's all true, but it's not a major cause for concern because the
problem is treatable. This is from Funk and Wagnalls Encyclopedia,
the last paragraph of the entry on "Rh Factor":

   Previously, Rh disease was treated by transfusing the blood of infants
   who survived. Now all women and men are tested for Rh0 factor before
   having children. When an Rh-negative woman has a child by an
   Rh-positive man, she is given an injection of a substance called
   Rhogam immediately after the birth. Rhogam is gamma globulin
   containing antibodies against the Rh0 factor. By killing any of the
   Rh-positive red cells that have migrated into the mother's circulation
   from the fetus, Rhogam prevents the mother from building up immunity
   to the Rh0 factor. Thus, subsequent Rh-positive children are not
   exposed to anti-Rh0 antibodies.  This procedure has largely eliminated
   Rh disease. 

-- 
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 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
From: simnet@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Aileen Hsu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: how to remove stains on clothes?
Date: 20 Jul 92 16:52:25 GMT
Organization: Boeing


   I like to know what net parents use to remove stains (esp. food stains)
   from their children's clothes.  I've read from this newsgroup that
   a lot of people like Shout stick which I bought and tried but it doesn't
   seem to remove all the colorings.  Sorry to say I have ran a lot of these
   clothes through the dryer already, is it hopeless for those stains
   now even though they were dried at ex-low heat?  A friend of mine
   thinks the baby detergents, i.e. Dreft, removes these stains
   better, what do you think?  I use Cheer-Free for Megan's clothes.

   How about tea stains?  Megan accidently pour tea on herself this weekend, 
   she was not drinking it, my husband was.  So far I hand washed it
   in warm water and regular detergent, still a lot of spots left.
   The washing instruction doesn't say whether it can be bleached,
   should I?  Can too much bleach ruin the fabric?

   Thanks in advance.
From: brett@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:00:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
> >Note: sterile does NOT mean clean, good for other uses, etc.
> Sterile DOES mean clean.  There are zero, zip, zilch, none, nada, goose
> egg, the big Z, null set, number of bacteria in a sterile fluid or on
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right, sterile means no bacteria, but not necessarily 'clean' (OK, so I didn't
define what I ment by clean, sorry).  Things can be dirty (ie, not clean) and
still be sterile.

> >I think I'll wait for a stream, thank you.
> Oooh, bad idea.  How do you know there isn't a dead, decaying sheep lying
> in fifty yards upstream?  Fish defecate AND urinate in it.  Bacteria, mold,

Please, give me a break.  Sigh...

I didn't feel like typing in a full EMT-level wound management discussion.

My POINT was: if I need water I'll look for a source that doesn't come from me.

							Brett Carver
							brett@sr.hp.com
From: loram@sco.COM (Lora MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:35:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <TIGGER.92Jul21125751@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>
>   In article <144jjpINNos1@smaug.West.Sun.COM> zoe@cypress.West.Sun.COM (Zoe Friedlander) writes:
>   -I read the FAQ on how far apart to have children, and I see that most people
>   -suggested wide spacing, though a (very) few seemed to think narrow spacing
>   -worked.  In case someone might be going to have two children close together, 
>   -like let's say 19 months apart, and feels very anxious after reading that
>   -FAQ, could some of you who had kids close together and wouldn't have done 
>   -it any other way please e-mail me?
>
>We were going to have ours 21 months apart, intentionally, but Corey
>didn't make it.
>
>I've talked to several people who had kids less than 2 years apart.  A
>major benefit is that the children have more common interests and are
>at closer levels to play together with each other. The major drawback
>is that the older one is still pretty needy, the first year is *hard*
>work for the parents. Another plus is that the older one doesn't have
>many clear memories of what life was like *before* having a sibling.
>
>Now, Kathy and Robin are 2.5 years apart, and I'll say, the first 2-3
>months were **hard** work. But I think that a newborn is just lots of
>work. Things are getting easier all the time.
>
>I have a friend with 4 kids, the first 3 were a little less than 2
>years apart each. (approx current ages: 11, 9, 7, 3). The kids all got
>along wonderfully, with almost no rivalry behaviors. The two oldest
>have had some times of not liking each other recently.
>
>It seems to me that there are factors that are harder to quantify that
>are even more important than spacing. (I was 3 years from my brother,
>supposedly recommended spacing according to some, and we *hated* each
>other). I think more important is the enviroment, the parenting, how
>the parents handle the adjustments and help the older one adjust. I
>strongly recommend reading _Siblings Without Rivalry_ by Faber and
>Mazlish *before* the baby is born.
>
>-- 
>
>Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
>tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
>=======================
>I'm a mammal and proud of it!
>
>4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
>by 'supermomcow' :-)


I would also like to hear GOOD stories about children close in age. My son
Tyler will be 1 year in Nov. and my second is due in Dec. I am trying
to stay calm but it is very hard when I keep hearing stories.

My two main worries are that my husband and I will end up divorced
or that I am taking time from tyler that he needs.

It took us 2 years to get pregnant with Tyler so who would have thought
it could happen this easy!! Please no birth control advice.

this is my first posting so I hope this works!
thanks 
lora
a mother in panic
From: peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:23:47 GMT
Reply-To: peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us

In article <18598@drutx.ATT.COM>, seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) writes:
...
> I was just wondering how many women actually have a drugless labor these
> days.
...
> Just seems like everyone I know got an epidural during labor.
> -- 
> Sharon Badian
> AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
> seb1@druhi.att.com

There's a swing back the other way as well.  Most of my friends
in this area (Santa Cruz, California) had drug-free childbirths,
and about half of us gave birth at home. 

We're very lucky to have this option; apparently there are only
about 200 licensed nurse-midwives who do home births in the whole
USA, and _4_ of them are in Santa Cruz (a town of 50,000 people)! 
Home birth was, in fact, an option mentioned to me by my family
doctor. 

I had a 39 hour labor, no easy piece of cheese, but I was very
relaxed and (relatively) comfortable being at home.  I would
recommend it and if we have another baby I'll want to have it
at home the same way -- maybe a little faster next time. 

--peggy dolgenos

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:24:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!

In article <1992Jul27.182205.22500@crd.ge.com> kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.004917.6695@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
>...
>>
>>On the way home from work today, I checked four different Bible dictionaries
>>about the use of the word rod in the Old Testament.  There are 4 or 5 
>>Hebrew words that are translated to the word rod.
>>  Check for yourself.
>
>I don't suppose you would be so charitable as to publish these
>words, with references to the works you looked them up in 

Actually, it is fairly straightforward to do this for yourself, with some
effort.  You need the Theological Word Book of the Old Testament, an
exhaustive concordance, the specific Bible-type that goes with the
concordance, a Bible dictionary (if you care about proper exegesis) and
some patience to get a fairly good general idea about what you're reading.
Of course, the hermeneutics are supplied by you...

D

What is this, a David-only party?

ObBabyStuff: my wife doesn't like any of the Biblical names I suggested,
             like Judas, Pilate, and Nebuchadnezzar... :-)

-- 
========================================================================
Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:31:41 GMT

 
I want to respond to the following comments:
 
>I wouldn't want to share a caregiver with someone who would send their
>child in sick.  This is why I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid
>having to send my children-to-be to daycare.  I watch the same
>coworkers who come in and breathe colds and flu all over me send their
>children to daycare with the same illnesses.  I realize that sometimes
>things can't be helped, but when I see people with weeks and weeks of
>time off accrued in the office because they didn't want to take the
>time off, I think that's incredibly rude.
>
>After all, I don't want to take the time off, either, but will probably
>have to do so when I get the cold or flu they couldn't be bothered to
>stay home with.
 
There are degrees of sickness.  If I stayed home with my children every time
they had a runny nose, I would have lost my job by now!!  I do stay home if
they have a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, a contagious illness (ie Chicken Pox,
the Flu, etc), and when they feel miserable.
 
I understand your problem with the Asthma.  It runs in my husbands family and
my sons have mild cases, so I am familiar eith Asthma.  I can see why you don't
want your child getting ill and bringing home germs, but germs are everywhere
and you can't avoid all of them.  Even getting a private nanny merely puts off
the inevitable.
 
I agree that people who have sick time should take it when they are sick.
But, not everyone is in that position.  I get SIX sick days per year.  I have
to save those days for when my kids are sick.  When I am sick, I HAVE to come
to work.  I don't have any choice.  I tend to stay in my office and suffer,
but I do have to go out into the hall to go to the restroom and cafeteria.
When people stop me in the hall to talk, I find it difficult to ignore them
and rudely walk back to my office.  I stop to talk to them.
 
I would LOVE to stay home and recover from an illness, but it's impossible.
I don't think that things are going to change.  I just have to live with it.
 
If you don't have kids yet, I suggest not being so critical until you have
walked in our shoes.  It is very difficult to be a good parent and until
you have experienced it, you really can't judge our actions.  I have said
and done things that I said I'd never say and do when I had kids!!  I have
had to eat my words many times!!!
 
Thanks,
Teresa
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Eliminating Milk (Was Re: Otoscopes for home use)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:02:45 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering


 
Reid writes:
>>
>>My older daughter (22 months) has had 14 ear infections so far.
>
>Oh, the poor kid.  Oh, the poor parents!
>
>I post this every few months: if your child suffers from chronic ear
>infections, try eliminating dairy products from the diet for a couple
>of months.  A growing number of ENTs are trying this before resorting
>to tubes or long-term antibiotics, and it often works.
>
>In addition to the obvious milk, cheese, and ice cream, watch out for
>processed foods that contain milk or milk-by-products such as casein
>and whey.  Health food stores are a great source of soy-based
>alternatives.  Try different brands; they vary a lot, and some are
>dreadful.
>
>Lactase won't help, because the problem is a true allergy, not lactose
>intolerance.
>
>Good luck.
>
>=====================================================================
>Reid Kneeland
>reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
>{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
>Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
>The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...
>
>Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
 
I agree with Reid, but I do have a word of caution.  The ENT doctor in
our town firmly believes that ALL kids with multiple ear infections are
allergic to milk.  He had us take our daughter off of milk for well over 6
months even after she had several ear infections during the time she was
off milk.  It was obvious that the new diet wasn't working and we
finally wised up and stopped going to him.
The next time we were referred to an ENT, we went to the neighboring town.
 
Also, I was told that in cases of milk intolerance there are usually other
symptoms than just the chronic ear infections.  Is this true?  Or is it
possible to have the ear infections be the ONLY symptom.
 
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Am I Forcing Her to Be Left Handed?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:07:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.215344.4775@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris) writes:
>When I hand my daughter something (a toy, her spoon with food on it so 
>she can feed herself, etc.), I use my right hand. I automatically place
>whatever I have into the hand directly across from mine, which would be
>her left hand since she is usually facing me.
...
>So, I am wondering...have I unknowingly been forcing/strongly suggesting/en-
>couraging my daughter to use her left hand over her right? 

Relax!  My husband and I are both right-handed, and have both treated both of
our sons the same, although I can't honestly recall how I handed things to
them.  I assume I was consist, though.  Anyway, we have a confirmed rightie and
an almost definite leftie (he's almost 4 and is showing strong preference for
left).  You might want to try holding things just far enough from her that
she can make the initial grab with whichever hand she prefers, and then you
can help make sure she has a secure hold on it.  That way you can be sure that
she is following her own preference instead of being patterned by you.
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:05:14 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
> I'd be interested to know what reasons there would be against using
> EFM.  Thanks!
> --

The monitor did allow the nurses to get all excited every time they
saw a contraction coming, but it didn't really add much benefit for
me.  My contractions were regular, regularly increasing in length and
intensity, and were never all that awful.  (I even thought that at the
time, although I was too busy to say it out loud!)

I didn't especially like the external monitor for a couple of reasons:

1) it was uncomfortable, and kept slipping off of the "optimal spot"
where the baby's heartbeat could be heard best.  The slippage was due to
the slimy stuff they put on my abdomen to make a good contact with the
hookups in the monitor belt.  The discomfort was due to having a strange,
heavy leather belt strapped around me while I was in labor!

2) I wasn't able to move much, and ended up with back labor.  The nurses
encouraged me to keep the monitor on, but due to the slippage (see #1) I
had to lie on my back and hold fairly still.  Once I was on my back,
sitting up made me nauseous, so it was easy to talk me into lying down
again!  Labor and delivery were all in a practically prone position.  I
think the delivery would have been much easier if I had been more
upright.  Fortunately I didn't have a long labor (as first-time labors
go); I arrived at the hospital at 5 AM and delivered at 10 AM; about 2
hours of that was pushing.

Beth Jones
From: stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 25 Jul 1992 12:07:07 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s21.ira.uka.de
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!

In article <4619@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>, sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
...
|> A little historical perspective is in order here...
|> 
|> If you know the job of a shepherd, then you would also know how a rod is
|> used.  The paradigm was a familiar one during the time of Christ, but is
|> grossly mis-interpreted on both sides (Judeo/Christian and non-Judeo/
|> Christian) of this fence.
|> 
|> The shepherd used his rod to gently guide his sheep.  The hook in the
|> rod was used to pull sheep out of deep ravines and creek beds.  The rod
|> was also used as a weapon against wolves.  The shepherd loved his flock,
|> and never used the rod to beat the sheep.  The modern day shepherd uses
|> his rod in the same way.  If anyone has ever been to the middle-east,
|> and witnessed the modern-day shepherd, you would observe the same practice.
|> 
|> Thus, the references to "rod" in the Old Testement do not condone spanking
|> or beating of the child.  They indicate that you should gently nudge them
|> from time-to-time, that you should rescue them in times of need, and you
|> should protect them from enemies.  And as the shepherd loved and nurtured
|> every sheep in his flock so too should a parent with their children.

How comes that whenever I hear Christians talk about sheep and shepherds
I think of fleece and mutton? Oh, and sheep's heads and the wolf in sheep's
clothing.

In my opinion religion has done enough harm to children to get rid of it.

 							        Achim
_____________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
or eat fish.
From: grover@brahmand.Eng.Sun.COM (Vinod Grover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Twelve yr. old caught stealing women's underwear!
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:12:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: brahmand

In article <1992Jul30.150724.12091@news.vanderbilt.edu> Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.130827.2605@fnbc.com> Chris Toczycki,
>chris@fnbc.com writes:
>>In article <skipa.712375594@milton> skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip  
>>Albertson) writes:
>>> If your 12 yr. old boy was caught stealing women's underwear
>>> at a department store, what would you do?
>>

I dont think it matters what he was stealing. The point is that he should
not to be stealing. As for women's underwear, I'd tell him that if he is so
interested, he might want to spend his allowance on it. If that does not
deter him then I'd worry.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kerri@admin.acadiau.ca (KERRI BREWSTER)
Subject: Lefthanded Items
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:27:25 GMT

Well, it's beginning to look like Katy is a lefty. She's still pretty 
ambidextrous with her crayons and pens, but practically ignores her right 
hand for everything else (feeding, throwing, zipping, etc.). My husband, 
himself also a lefthander, is thrilled at the prospect of finally 
consituting a majority in the household :-) He's got great plans to fill the 
house with items specifically designed for lefties, to make up for his not 
having any all his life so far. 

Yes, Katy *should* grow up capable of using right-handed scissors and such. 
Jim and I both realize that's important. I think his primary motivation in 
getting left-handed stuff is for himself. Katy's potential leftyness is 
a good excuse, though! :-)

So anyway, my question: I remember seeing ads in magazines for mailorder 
catalogs for left-handed items. Of course I can't find any now. Does anyone 
know of any mailorder catalogs for that sort of thing?

Thanks -- Kerri
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