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From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Subject: Re: Senna
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:29:02 GMT

>Here's my theory.
>What you do is drive around a bit and really look hard at the track.
>Work out where the places to pass are, and where the racing line is.
>You know the racing line is good grip and clean. You know everybody
>
> some silly stuff deleted...
>
>How are you going to improve your chances of that. Well a little
>psyching out will help. You could try something a little physical
>aginst that little German guy. That should make him see red on the
>track. Good, Sorted that. Now lets go for a bit of the 'Well - other

I agree with you. And I also think Senna uses some kind of black magic.
I think it is against the rules, but it is very difficult to prove such
a bad trick.

>Now comes the test. You have to make the following car believe that
>he is past you then just at the last momenyt slideeeeeee wider to
>force him out onto the marbles or if he comes up the inside squeeeeze
>him off the racing line onto the marbles but KEEP on it
>yourself...right now whose goin to hit the brakes first....and its
>outbraking - but the guy is on the loose stuff and you are on the
>good stuff: He's there because you didn't leave him anywhere else to
>go. There's only one racing line and you aren't going to let that guy
>past. He HAS to take an all out risk because your name's Senna and you
>own the track. You will weave if you can get away with it - you won't
>so you always seem to just drift from one side of the track to the
>other, and if anyone wants to get past they have to go way offline to
>do it.

Come on, are you BLIND ? Did you really watch races ?
Maybe you are wright. Senna should let Mansel and Patrese pass him,
before they make their own stupid mistakes.


>why Mansell was furious at Montreal now: I saw it at Hockenheim.
>Ayrton is attacking the weak spots - using psychology where his
>and his cars ability aren't enough, relying on his nerve being
>stronger than the other drivers. Only Mansell and Schumacher are
>prepared to stand up to him and have a chance of outpsyching him.
>(Maybe Brundle and Alesi too actually)

Here is my solution for your bright hypotesis. Frank Willians must
contract Sigmund Freud as his second driver next year.
>I will predict that Senna will be involved in a MAJOR incident before
>the year end.

I predict that you will receive so many replies for your silly post that
you will probably stay away of ras for a long time. I sure hope so.


>Nomex on:-)

Sorry, but I didn't understand your joke  :(.

Gilberto
From: schmitt@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Leonard Schmitt 283-4150)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna to Ferrari
Date: 27 Jul 1992 20:53:47 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company

The local Ferrari dealer told me Senna has signed with Ferrari for next year.

Leonard Schmitt
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From: naren@fang.att.com (Naren Chauhan)
Subject: When will Mansell clinch WC? (German GP spoiler)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:13 GMT

After yesterday's German GP, Mansell only needs a win in Hungary to
clinch the 1992 World Drivers Championship.  Even if Patrese comes 2nd in
Hungary and goes on to win all the remaining 5 races without Mansell scoring
a point after Hungary, their point total would be the same, 96. Mansell
still would be champion based on having won more races.

Also, Mansell has a chance to obliterate Senna's record of most wins in
a season.  I would say Mansell will win at least another 3 races this 
season bringing his total wins to 11 for 1992.  That's a record that will
be pretty hard to break.  Come to think of it, if he wins 5 more this year
he will equal Senna's total of 34 wins.

Here is a trivia question.  In which Grand Prix race did Ferrari finish 1-2
and Arrows finished 3-4.  Hint: It was also the year in which Ferrari only
won one race.

Naren
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From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Subject: Re: Jumping Starts, was Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:18:33 GMT


In article <1992Jul20.201033.16597@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

|> 
|> For you racers out there -- what's the view from the driver's seat?
|> Regardless of where you are on the grid, the moment you see the green
|> do you get it on?
|> 

The race starts as soon as the green flag is given.  Thus it is correct to
start full-bore racing as soon as you see the green flag.

In fact, you will actually be "on it" before then for most starts.  One of
the perquisites of being the pole-sitter is that you control the pace for
rolling starts.  Thus the pole sitter will usually try to manage the pace so
he approaches the green with his throttle open and the engine turning the 
best revs for acceleration (depends on torque curve and gearing).  There are
exceptions, for example a pole sitter with a huge torque advantage might try
to slow the start down to make it a drag race to the first turn, while a 
driver on pole due to top end and/or handling but at a torque disadvantage
would want to be up on the cam and wide open at racing speed as the green
comes out.  Drivers back in the pack have to manage their own pace based
on their engine performance curves, gearing, and the behavior of the cars
around (especially in front) of them.

And of course all the drivers involved are searching for even a fractional
advantage...

It's exciting and fun, but from the drivers seat I'd place the start as less
intense than Turn One on the first lap!  That's where you can make up for a
poor start, or blow the advantage of a good one...

--bruce
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Subject: Please buy my MR2!
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From: fsp@westford.ccur.com (Fritz Pattison)
Subject: IMSA,  Hate to burst the bubble ...
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. - Westford, Ma
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:55:25 GMT

	Not only are the IMSA boys beating, in some cases crushing
	last years CART records, but are beating this years records
	also, ie Portland.  At Laguna the top 3 cars topped the record,
	we will have to see in Oct. what the CART boys can do about
	that.  It would interesting to see after Mid-Ohio and
	R.A. which series has the most records.  The speed and 
	technology of the GTPs are seriously underrated.
	Its amazing lots of records with less than half the ego.;^)

Some of information was from IMSA.  International Motor Sports Association 

All Opinions Expressed are my OWN, they do not represent those of others.
ALL disclaimers apply ....
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From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: Re: Re: Boo Boo Senna (German GP minor spoiler)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:47:25 GMT

In article <122490025@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>> Senna defended his position brilliantly, despite an attack from a
>> driver in a clearly faster car.
>
>The Williams are clearly faster in the corners. 
>I'm not sure they are that much faster on the straights. 
>I would think that on circuits where they don't have to use too much wings 
>to compensate for the bad chassis the McLaren are as fast or faster 
>on the straights.
> 
> [stuff deleted]

This year at Monaco, Mansell was complaining that he was quarter car length
behind Senna at the exit of the (spelling) Loews, but at the end of the tunnel
was 5 car lengths behind. Senna responded that his real problem was
to keep on a racing line with worn tires. 
Mansell could pass only if Senna made a mistake. He did not.
Patrese is not as good as Mansell, so he did not make a pass
on Senna. Mansell is better than Patrese and has a better car than Senna,
so he could pass ( not without problems however )

As far as the coreners, Williams active suspension did not extend the
life of tires.

It would be great for fans if Procar ( or similar ) series was revived.
BMW M1 were too heavy but they were really equal. I woul be happy so
see all the big names racing in some reasonably fast, but equal
car.

Marcin Kolbuszewski

marcink@ccs.carleton.ca



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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:46:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <memo.544677@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>There used to be a sportsmans rule that the guy who got his wheels in
>front got the corner conceded to him. Not any more. You get your
>wheels in front of Mr Senna and he'll move over on you and barge you
>off the racing line way on to the marbles where you haven't got a
>chance of braking for the next corner.
>
Hold on there!  I'm far from being a Senna fan, but of the last four Senna
incidents (Patrese in the last race, Schumacher in the previous one, and
Mansell in both Germany and Canada) I didn't see one case where the other
driver was clearly in front.  Admittedly Senna isn't making things too easy,
but Schumacher was definitely not level with him when Senna turned in.
Neither Patrese nor Mansell were close to level with Senna at the corner,
and though we don't have conclusive evidence from Canada it seems highly
probable that Mansell was, at the very least, as much to blame as Senna.

The incident I liked least was the Schumacher one - Senna must have known
that Schumacher was there when he moved over, and it didn't seem as though
the cars were going fast enough to make it absolutely essential for Senna
to take such a tight line through the corner.  Sure, it was Schumacher's
fault for being there, but I believe Senna could have avoided contact if
he had really wanted to.


As for the rumoured Mansell/Senna pairing at Williams; I've been saying
all season long that I thought this was a real possibility for '93.
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia : Best newcomer in F1 ??
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:10:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com writes:
>While Schumacher has scored 33 points in his first 'year', he only scored 4
>points during his first 'season'.  Minor point.

But, wait, doesn't Schumacher have one more race to go for his first year?
I thought he started F1 at the Belgium GP last year.

alan
From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna x Mansell
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

In article <1992Jul30.000101.24459@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) wrote:

>Yes, you are wright, it was just another stupid mistake. The problem with 
>Mansel is that he usually does dozens of mistakes, not just one.

>He will probably be the champion this year but I sure think he does not
>deserve it. He had the fatest car during all the year, and he could not
>prove that he can handle adverse situations. He still haven't proven
>that he can drive with his head instead of his foot.
>I would like to watch Mansel and Senna at Williams driving the same car
>next year.
>So everybody could easily know who is the best driver. For me, I have no
>doubts that Senna is faster and much more intelligent than Mansell.

When I first read this post I was sorely tempted to reply at once, hotly
refuting the attack on Mansell's intelligence, etc.  Then I thought, "Why 
should I?"

For me, the bottom line is, I love F1.  These guys are out there doing it.
I'm here talking about it.  Until I get out there and do a bit of racing 
myself, I will reserve judgment on other people's intelligence, especially when
they are do-ers, and I'm just a talker.

So, Gilberto my friend, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
As for Senna and Mansell at Williams - I'd love to see it too, as I have said
before, but only because we could then see two of the sport's finest displaying
their talents for *us*, the fans, to enjoy.  It's not a war, never lose sight
of that fact.  As soon as you turn it into one, people start getting upset,
people start doing and saying rash things.  On the track, people start getting
injured, even dying, and I'm sure you wouldn't like that, whoever you support.

Nuff said.

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: GOODGUYS Northwest Get-Together, Salem, OR
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:42:29 GMT


I'm heading out for Salem for the Get-Together - weather look's good -
lots of cars - lots of merchants/manufacturer's reps - music - a
good time for all this weekend - at the Oregon State Fair grounds
in Salem, OR



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From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Subject: Senna
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:00:53 GMT

> Also Senna has a fantastic ability of track recognition in the sense 
> that he can identify where the dirty or very wet sectors are located. 
> Thus, when impatient drivers like Nigel, for example, are weaving behind 
> him they do so for a reasonable amount of time. And this is because 
> Senna does offer passing chances.  After some time Ayrton will offer
> a passing illusion. He will make room on the dirty side of the track. 
> That is all; not much of  psychology behind this. Prost and Nigel know 
> so well about this since they have experienced it many times. The difference 
> is that Prost has learned about it while Nigel has not.
> 
> Pinto 
>    

>>Ahh yes, now I see. Everyone out there. You all have it wrong. All the other
>>drivers are not even on the same plane of consciousness as Senna-master.
>>Deity of all Brazil! See this is all told to us by no less than the most
>>knowledgeable and astute driver and student of motorsports, Pinto himself.

>>Thank you Pinto for explaining things in terms of Senna-God's omniscient 
>>sensitivity to everything around him. He the Glorious One baits and makes
>>light work of all those that come before him. Like Zeus he strikes at the
>>mortals with lightning bolts of intellect and skill. 

>>Oh Senna-he-who-makes-perfect-corners-without-zig-zagging, your disciple 
>.Pinto has spread the Good News. The news of you walking among us..us..MEN.
>> some stuff deleted...
>>You see it all so clearly Pinto, just like Senna. Perhaps some day the veil
>>will be lifted from all of our eyes too and then, maybe others can hope to 

>>Matt

All this stuff told to us by no less than the most knowledgeable and
astute driver, Matt himself.
After all Senna is 3 times WC. Last race Patrese with a faster car could
not pass him. Mansell had a lot of trouble trying to pass him. Why can't
you just think one time that the simple reason is that he is better
driver than both Mansel and Patrese ? Maybe it is a too deep answer for
your mind.


Gilberto ( I even don't have an american driver license)
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Honda
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:46:59 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul27.142706.6781@stsci.edu> lallo@stsci.edu writes:
>

<really his friend writes:>

>
>A withdrawal now, I feel, would leave the Japanese (as well as McLaren Honda
>fans in general) felling cheated or "sold-out".  No one
>stays on top forever, I think Ferrari is the quintessential example of that,
>but pulling out completely at the first sight of a raindrop seems
>unsportsmanlike and  cowardly.  I think the fans would much rather see their
>team struggling, trying to regain supremacy rather than simply quitting when
>the going got tough.  
>

I don't know enough about Japanese culture to know if this is true or
not.  It may be that their exit is planned, and not viewed by their
home fans as a failure.  Indeed, how could anyone put that tag on the
Honda F1 adventure?  I think they regret only that they were not able
to put a driver of Japanese descent on the podium.  Perhaps the bean
counters are in charge.  They're not in racing for fun, after all.

Life goes on.  Maybe Honda will come back--maybe they'll kick some
butt at Indy--who knows.  I think a graceful exit in '92 would be an
honorable thing.  Remember the GT40?  Ford showed up, proved they
could do it, packed up, and left.
From: rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 (Looks Official)
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:14:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Jul24.181439.21476
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <1992Jul24.073829.29227@sbil.co.uk> rob@sbil.co.uk writes:
> 
> According to the article in the UK Financial Times that I 'quoted' from
> the other day.  Honda claim they are considering getting out of F1 due
> the current fashion for ecologically friendly cars so they can use the
> budget in that area.
> 
> They went on to say that their engineers currently working on F1 engine
> development would be re-deployed developing more eco-friendly engines,
> emission control systems, etc. I kid you not! Bet those engineers will
> be happy little engineers "Please can I stop building state-of-the-art
> F1 engines and work on an exhaust filter? Thanks!".

I bet all of the other F1 teams would welcome a Honda that's not spewing oil
mist all over the track & tear-off's of following drivers! :-)
If you can't fend 'em off with power&handling, them blind 'em! :-)

-Oil&Flame-proof suit on 
-Bob T.
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From: honson@orion.yorku.ca (Honson Kan)
Subject: Re: Boo Boo Senna (German GP minor spoiler)
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: York University - CCS/US
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.174414.10884@rdg.dec.com>,
winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) wrote:
> 
> |>See how the Williams drivers behaved under pressure ?
> 
> DriverS??  Mansell ran away with the race and Senna never even got close to
> him.  We never got to see how Mansell behaved under pressure because he
> never was under any.
> 
> --PSW

I think that he is talking about when Mansell tried to pass Senna and
nearly
crashed the car.  After Mansell came out from the pit,  he was behind
Senna.
He then was trying to pass Senna.  Senna fought him back.  He was all over
Senna.  He nearly crashed.  After that,  Senna just let him through.  Maybe
Senna didn't want to lose such a "good friend" :-)

Honson Kan
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From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: (NO SPOILER) Re: F1 standings after 10
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lallo@stsci.edu writes...
> 
>I for one agree and am REALLY curious if anyone else out there thinks that
>Frank Williams has been peeing all over Riccardo for the whole season?
>Does anyone know what is going on that I am missing? Even when Riccardo 
>finishes second behind Mansell (as he has done many times this season) Frank
>can barely muster a decent thing to say about him. And Frank's reaction at
>Hockenheim really took the cake. I mean his team has already effectively if
>not actually clinched the constructors championship so to make a few points
>out to be the most precious things he could imagine, when a gamble was made 
>for more is ridiculous and in my opinion just makes Frank look really shitty
>as a person. Patrese is a decent, experienced driver that can more than get 
>the job done at Williams. I'll be sorry to see him leave Williams but happy 
>to see him with a new ride where he might get a mere hint of respect.
> 
>Forza Riccardo!
> 
>Matt
> 

Perhaps Frank has a clause in his numerous sponsorship contracts that
equate bonus money with constructor points. I expect that when Patrese
leaves Williams he will no longer be in F1. Perhaps he should take up
landscaping (as Derek Daly would say, mowing the lawn).

George.

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