HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Selling the net to physicians
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:26:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct13.002601.6445
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:


>        A couple of physicians asked me the other day in the doctor's
>        lounge how the net could be of use to them professionally.  This
>        gave me the idea that a medical resource list would make a good
>        FAQ.  Does this already exist somewhere?  If not, perhaps we
>        could put one together as a group effort.  Its purpose should be
>        to attract new physicians and other allied health professionals
>        to the net and to make the net more useful to those already
>        using it.

>        What are some other ways we could make the net more useful to
>        this group?  Obviously the more useful it is, the more people
>        will use it, and vice-versa.  For starters:

	Did you know that physicists and other groups are starting journals
on the net. Journals by net are low cost, there can be highly moderated,
and unrestricted open journals. Systems for peer evaluation of  articles
are known but not yet in service. . 
	Basically, a net journal now allows a person to download the
entire text of an article desired without cost. Moderated journals might
need subscriptions to support the editors. Abstracts in many fields are now
produced by the article authors.
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: vitamin C
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:12:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Oct08.052305.24662@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au>, sao@kurango.cs.oz (Sue Oemcke) writes:
> 
> I have multiple joint problems, any stress to a particular joint
> will cause a lot of inflammation and subsequent pain. Since I
> started working late last year, my finger joints are all going. My
> physio has lent me a book on vitamin C. It is fascinating.
> 
> A 70 kg goat will manufacture 13 gms of C per day. Fijian villages
> in their natural diet eat between 2 - 8 gms/day. 
> 
> They recommend a dosage of 10 - 20 gms/day. The more stress, the
> more C should be taken. My physio has tried this for a period of
> time and found the pain in her hands has gone.
> 
> The health shops recommend celery seed extract.
> 
> Any suggestions as to what I should or shouldn't take? I'm allergic
> to most prescribed anti-inflammatories.

Neither Vit. C or celery seed are of any proven value in the
treatment of joint inflammation, although it is unlikely that
you will hurt yourself trying them.  It is more important that
you have seen a rheumatologist for a proper diagnosis.  By an
allergy to anti-inflammatories, do you mean they upset your
stomach, or do they cause you to break out in hives, get short
of breath, etc.?  If the former, then that is not an allergy,
and there are ways around that side effect that a rheumatologist
could help you with.  BTW, what's a 'physio'?
From: ar710@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William G. Martin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Excess Of Vitamin C?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:08:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ar710@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William G. Martin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) says:
>In article <1992Oct11.044944.24588@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>>     I've been taking 1 gram per day for several years now and I've noticed a
>>marked decrease in the number of colds that I experience.  It may be that I
>>still have as many and they just don't reach a noticable level, and if that's
>>the case, well that's ok too.  I feel better, vitamin C is cheap, and if I
>>corode a comode but miss a cold, it's worth it to me!
>Hey do I have a deal for you: I can sell you a substance, guaranteed
>organic and all natural, and guaranteed to be a basic substance which
>ancestors of human beings ingested in greater quantity than
>humans now ingest.  And it'll do just as much for colds as
>the vitamin C you're taking.
>This is clearly a way for me to get rich.

If the cost of the substance one takes to produce such an unproveable
subjective "improvement" is high, then it is true that it may well be a scam,
and the seller is getting rich off hunman gullibility and misery.

But vitamin supplements, if bought by a careful shopper via mail order,
can be *extremely* cheap. Sometimes even buying them at a local store,
such as the time I had a 50%-off coupon from GNC, and it turned out they had
some large-size bottles of the very stuff I was looking for on closeout
clearance, can be very cheap.

I take a handful of vitamins every day (every couple weeks I or my wife will
sort out daily batches and pack them in baggies). Whether they do me any real
good or not, I don't know and there is no way to prove it one way or the other.
But I think I'm paying about 25 - 30 cents a day for this whole batch.
Nobody is getting rich off my expenditures. The cost to me is trivial, and
the possible benefit priceless. (As far as I can determine, the possible
harm is nonexistent.)

Now, if you are considering an elderly person taken in by a scam artist and
buying overhyped vitamins that cost hundreds of dollars, that is a completely
different situation. There is no question that this is fraud and a scam.
Unfortunately these two extremes get lumped in together when they should
be considered totally separately. Someone like me, who buys individual vitamin
tabs or capsules and carefully price-shops for each type, versus the person
who goes to the health-food store and buys "Magic Formula X" or who 
is taken in by the telemarketer peddling "Live-Forever Pills" -- these 
are opposite poles. The latter type needs to be protected from 
themselves (if that is your political philosophy) but the former needs no
regulation or interference.
-- 
Will Martin
wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil OR wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Excess Of Vitamin C?
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:37:37 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <16642@pitt.UUCP| geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
|
|When Pauling's book on vitamin C came out, he recommended 1 gram
|per day.  After they did studies with 1 gram per day showing no
|effect on the frequency of colds in normal volunteers, he said,
|"well, it really is 4 grams per day".  So they did those experiments,
|still no better than placebo.  I suppose Pauling just keeps escalating
|the dose and says they having been giving enough to disprove his
|theories.  18 grams is so absurd, it is ridiculous.  There is no
|way we could have evolved to require such high doses.  His urine
|must corrode his commode something awful.
|
Probably not the porcelin so much, but the bolts that hold the seat
down must be in pretty bad condition.


-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Ibuprofen
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:37:49 GMT

Hello,

I'd like to know about any adverse effects from taking Ibuprofen for an
extended period of time.  A related question is at what dosage can one 
take Ibuprofen on a long-term basis and not suffer any adverse effects.

Jon

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From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Examining hands during a physical
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:01:36 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <werner-091092124524@128.32.157.31> werner@soe.berkeley.edu
 (John Werner) writes:
>the first thing she did was ask me to hold out my hands so she could look
>at the palms and backs of them.  When I remembered this later, it struck me
>as kind of odd; I can't remember a doctor doing that before.  So now I'm

I routinely examine the hands this way as the beginnning of a "complete"
physical.  I'm looking at the palms for any rashes or palmar erythema
(red palms -- a sign of liver disease) and at the back of the hands
to see the nails to look for cyanosis, clubbing, or pitting (signs
of various diseases).  Also, by looking for breakdown of the skin
around the nails, you can pick up signs that people have been biting
or picking at their nails -- a symptom of stress in many people.

-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: eang42@castle.ed.ac.uk (L Bootland)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: hypochondriac vs worried well
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:34:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:

>In article <Oct.15.17.02.51.1992.1272@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Joyce Morris) writes:
>> To physicians on the net:
>> 
>> How do you tell the difference between hypochondriacs and the worried
>> well?  Or do you consider there to be any difference?

>There isn't any difference.  A hypochondriac is one who has "an
>excessive preoccupation with real or fancied ailments" (New Webster's
>Dictionary).  Is that what you mean by "worried well"?

That may be a trifle unfair.  A survey in the UK (by Gallup I think)
found that most doctors think patients spend too much time consulting
them about trivial illnesses which are best left alone, or treated by
over the counter symptom removers.  When they started looking at
individual patients they found that people would come to their doctor
with the illness once, to find out what it was and what, if anything, to
do about it.  After that they would deal with that illness themselves. 
However most illnesses are relatively trivial so doctors see lots of
patients with these illnesses without each patient being particularly a
nuisance.  Perhaps nurses could do preliminary screening on such
patients, just saying what the probable cause is, suggestions for easing
the symptoms, and a time scale for a likely improvements. 

-- 
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These are my opinions, not            L. Bootland    eang42@castle.ed.ac.uk
those of the university.              University of Edinburgh, Genetics.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches/Migraines
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:54:25 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct8.234109.376@actrix.gen.nz> Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>
>I find I am often sensitive to certain aromas and odours when I have a
>migraine.  The smell of certain strong perfumes (those really heavy
>smelling ones), frying donuts (this smell really nauseates me, though
>I can eat the sugared donuts as long as I don't have to smell them
>cooking), the scent of jasmine.  In fact I have a theory that having
>jasmine in the house gives me a headache.  Totally unscientific, I guess.

Osmophobia (aversion to odors) is a well-known symptom of migraine.
Odors as a trigger is less certain, but not necessarily unscientific.
Sensory stimuli can trigger a migraine.  Migraine patients also often
have aversions to certain visual sensations even when not having a
headache.  Closely spaced black and white stripes are the most
well-known.  Some of them can't even look at the treads on an
escalator.  One of my colleagues has studied this and one of his
diagnostic tests for migraine is to flash a card with stripes at
someone and if they turn away, they are likely a migraineur.

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From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Cystic Fibrosis Research?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:49:00 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

A twelve year old neighbor of mine has a deep voice for a girl and
coughs a lot.  I asked if she had been yelling a game or something
like that.  But no, it turns out that she has Cystic Fibrosis (CF).

Does anyone know the state of the current research on CF?
I read that CF is a genetic disorder.  Is it possible to 
cure a genetic disorder?   What is the life expectancy of a  CF
patient nowadays?  (that is, assuming that she follows the instructions of the 
physician.)

-- 
--
 Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
 From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
    <1992Oct9.000315.6415@spdcc.com> <1992Oct12.175322.7873@ide.com>
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:26:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.175322.7873@ide.com> cda@davos.ide.com (Charlotte Allen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.000315.6415@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>|> When you've got something really screwey like homeopathy, you
>|> simply have to demand a lot of evidence for any effect.  This is true of any
>|> outrageous claim for a therapy which doesn't have a history of controlled
>|> evidence behind it.  
>
>Like gold injections for arthritis?  When I was a grad student at UCSF,
>this was the standard treatment at the rheumatology clinic.  The MD who
>headed the clinic, and taught some of my classes, said, when I asked him
>to justify this practice, "They like it and it doesn't seem to hurt them."
>
>And what about the previous standard medical practice of treating tuberculosis
>by collapsing the patient's infected lung?  
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I wouldn't scoff, we maybe doing these types of things again if new-TB meds
aren't developed for resistant strains of TB. You can laugh now, but in the
pre-IHN/Rifampin era, these types of therapies (pneumothrax, pneumoperitoneum,
etc) were the *only* options.

>

[..other stuff deleted...]
>
>-- 
>********************************************************************************
>			     Charlotte Allen
>			uunet!ide!cda	cda@ide.com
>********************************************************************************


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[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Mr. M.C. Diffin)
Subject: Pancreas Anomaly
Keywords: Pancreas, Pancreatitis, Anatomy
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:01:31 GMT

I recently encountered a patient with chronic pancreatitis.  A London 
specialist, after CT scan, apparantly concluded that he had two *distinct*
organs, one large one small, the latter causing the difficulties.

Has anyone ever seen or heard of this anatomical quirk (distinct from the
pancreatic head being separate and draining through the accessory
pancreatic duct)?  If so, does it usually cause trouble?

Thanks,

Michael.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: ken mitchum, please don't leave sci.med
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research Branch; Sterling.
	<16876@pitt.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:37:33 GMT

i think the problem is that the masses of flakes are vocal, while the
masses of appreciative people who learn from your posts (especially
the answers to questions) are silent.  it's just not common for
somebody to say "thanks for answering so-and-so's question; i have
often wondered about that").

if you and others leave, the quality will go down and the people who
appreciate your posts will also leave, without a venue to go to.

flakes are a part of life.  living by example a life of non-flakiness
WILL help to convert them.  you just won't know it when it happens.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:39:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.233915.5695
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

Cut the crap, Ray.  Your personal vendetta against Gordon or whoever it
was who was so terribly nasty to you a while ago is of interest to no one
else other than yourself.  But no, it really festers, doesn't it?

Quackpots who post nonsense to a science newsgroup and who are impervious
to logical thought (so-called "write only" individuals) deserve all the
derision they receive.  If this disturbs you, I suggest you try unsubscribing.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Peroxide and the bubbling reaction?
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:18:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.181821.14761@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.165635.164751@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>>As a followup question, (I realize that there is probably no ironclad rule.)
>>how much peroxide should one pour on a cut?  
>
>None will do.  Peroxide isn't all that effective an antiseptic.
>You might as well pour seltzer on the wound, for all the benefit
>it will have.

Peroxide does have the beneficial side-effect of accelerating
coagulation.

Bill
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Xref: sparky sci.med:18828 sci.med.nutrition:830
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:46:09 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Oct8.174449.24296@octel.com> richard@octel.com
 (Richard Karasik) writes:
>   What makes you a raving lunatic ... Try looking into the effects of
>   electric fields on bone healing. Oh and by the way -look it up
>   Ive talked about it with friends and medicos for years ...

Excellent point.  Since you've talked about it with friends and
medicos for years, you shouldn't have any trouble citing a 
*placebo controlled* trial of electrical stimulation for bone
healing that demonstrates a benefit.

-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: allergies
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:28:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.205641.16900@europa.asd.contel.com>, draper@gnd1.wtp.contel.com (PAM DRAPER) writes:
> How bad is an allergy reaction of a 1.4?  My other reactions were .4 and
> 2.  What is high (0-?)?

Scratch tests go from 0, which is "not allergic" to 4+.  A 4 means
that the wheal is 1.5 cm in diameter and the flare is 4.0 cm or
more.  (I didn't write down the other values, but anything over a 0
means you do have a sensitivity to that allergen.)

> What predisposes a person to asthma?  If one has a long history of 
> allergies and a mother and a grandmother that have/had asthma, what
> is one's chances of getting it?

It's more common in children, but some people do develop asthma
later in life, like after 40.  While there is good evidence that 
allergies run in families, the particular allergens and the
particular symptoms tend to vary.  Such details are still not well
understood.
-- 
Krista Anderson, att!ihlpf!krista
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Info about Lyme disease requested
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:42:48 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <92285.192835PHR82GE@TECHNION.BITNET>, PHR82GE@TECHNION.BITNET (Gad Eilam) writes:
> Hi.Can anybody e-mail me the whole story of Lyme disease?In particular:
> Symptoms,diagnosis and treatment.Here in Israel very few doctors know
> about it.Also:Can its symptoms mimic the early symptoms of Parkinson
> disease?

It's a little much to email.  There are whole books on the subject.
There are numerous recent reviews.  You might want to check at a
medical library.  No, it doesn't mimic the symptoms of Parkinson's.
The main symptoms are a flu-like illness, a characteristic skin
rash, and later arthritis, cardiac arrythmias and neurologic symptoms.
One of the most common neurologic symptoms is a facial palsy.  Other
nerve palsies or a polyneuropathy are possible, as are dementia, a
multiple-sclerosis-like picture and multiple strokes much like
meningovascular syphilis, although the last few complications are
quite uncommon.  The standard initial treatment is doxycycline.  
For involvement of the central nervous system or a septic joint,
Rocephin is used.
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Medline access?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Hmm. Are you the same David Nye that was here in neurology several
years ago? Used to play with Forth, if I remember correclty.

 -Ken Mitchum MD
 km@cs.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:24:41 GMT

In article <DLB.92Oct12121554@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
>
>What seems to make the blood boil (and I agree with this) is when
>alternative approaches are used to the exclusion of medical advice and
>treatment.  This is disasterous.  It kills people.  Any alternative
>practitioner that I find, or hear of, that recommends against
>simultaneous treatment gets short shrift from me.  I run away.  Fast.

So does your blood boil when you find out that drugs called "safe" by
the FDA killed 140,000 Americans in hospitals last year? Don't believe me?
Its in JAMA (11/27/91).

Does your blood boil when you learn that thousands of women are needlessly
disfigured every year with unneccessary radical mastectomies? Or all
the heart-bypass operations that are performed needlessly, causing great
loss of life, not to mention cash. The list goes on.

Very often its the conventional treatment that kills.
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser)
Subject: Re: Forced kidney donations
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:01:10 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Just to play it safe, have your SSAN tatoo'd on your kidneys.
-- 

 To the cat, the experimenter is problematic.