HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Mac-based BBS SW?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: pauls@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan

Leo O'Donnell writes
|     Does anyone know of any MAC-based BBS packages? Are there
|     any that are also available for UNIX boxes?
| 


Hermes is probably the best known.  I think they're up to 1.9 or 2.0 now.

There is also:  1st BBS, MuBBS, and NovaLink.

For a demo package of 1st BBS, or the full shareware Hermes release, or  
the MuBBS package, you can find them at

mac.archives.umich.edu 

among other places.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.151117.24656@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>>  To put it simply, if someone posts something legally actionable, like
>>a PIN number, where to buy drugs, etc, I want to be able to point the
>>police at the poster and away from my system.
>
>How nice of you to help out the police like that.
>
>What if they mentino that they smoke an occasional joint?  What if they
>mention an interest in receiving a blowjob (illegal under most states'
>sodomy laws)?  You are a fucking pig, and I'm surprised you have any users
>at all.  Rename your BBS to The Entrapment BBS and put your cards on the
>table.

So anyone who would try to avoid having his computer seized for
something  that was the fault of another is a "fucking pig"?  Your
stupidity has no bounds, fnord@panix...  It would be justice if you were
shut down because some jerk sent you some "phreak" information.  Perhaps
then you'd feel differently about what a "fucking pig" is.
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS is very limited
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:16:35 GMT

cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:

>> At an expensive price it is a very limited option with no support
>> for external third party non eSoft approved applications

>	This is untrue.  Save for a few, specific options (ie. the TIMS
>mailer), there is plenty of third party products for both TBBS in
>the form of utility programs, and also in the form of online programs
>under TDBS.  Like the original poster said, many corporations and businesses

Yes -- but these third party applications are SPECIFIC for TBBS.  Chris,
you know that your users can't run Lotus 1-2-3, likewise, any one of
the tens of thousands of applications available -- you are limited to
those which only run with TDBS (eSoft's dBase clone) or those which
run with TBBS specifically.

>don't care about external networks.  TBBS with TDBS offers much of
>what these companies (and many of us BBS operators) want, which is
>data management that is both standardized in formats (dBaseIII+) and can
>be easily mantained.

TBBS is easy to maintain, but we all know it is very limited when compared
against the options available for UNIX.  Phil Becker has a history of
slow releases and missing deadlines.   Just about everyone who has been
involved with BBSing for the last 5 or so years knows of Phil's massive delays
with Zmodem -- which Phil blames on Chuck - the author -- but the bottom
line is while Phil was placing blame, just about every other bulletin
board vendor was supporting a working release of zmodem.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: bazelman@pcs.uucp (Rudy Bazelmans)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: looking for a window or windows based Waffle usenet reader
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 11:57:34 EDT
Organization: Progressive Computer Solutions

I just started using waffle and I love it but I am not at all thrilled
with the news reader.  

Does anyone know of any window-based or MS/Windows-based news
reader that is compatible with waffle usenet groups?


thanks alot

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS is very limited
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:17:33 GMT

rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>bulletin board systems for corporations and TBBS with TDBS packs a powerful
>punch.  These corporations could care less about usenet, fidonet and what

At an expensive price it is a very limited option with no support
for external third party non eSoft approved applications

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: ks3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenton Shaver)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:05:40 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
> I've noticed that on a lot of BBS's, the sysops tend to go through a
> lot of effort to identify users.  Things like auto-callback, extremely
> limited access, requiring real names, etc. all strike me as overly
> nosy.

I could not agree with you more.
I've always assumed that this info was sold to mail-order companies,
but who really gets it?  Why on earth is it needed?  

KWS
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:30:23 GMT

In article <2593@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>
>One of the reasons I got VPIX for my UNIX system was to allow the
>possibility of running a Fidonode under its DOS emulation. I believe
>Dave Hughes in Colorado a UNIX/Fido setup so I'm pretty sure it can
>be done.... 

 It CAN be done. The problem is that your choices are either really buggy
and not very good software, paying through the nose for a DOS emulation
package, or writing your own customized system (which various people have
done). I am not much of a programmer so that would be difficult. In doing
so, it would entail taking my board down for a few months, as I said.

Wassail,
Al Billings aka Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: waitd@columbia.dsu.edu (Darrin K. Wait)
Subject: Looking for Wildcat SYSOPS.
Keywords: WILDCAT BBS CHAT TALK FILES
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:13:23 GMT

Hello Netters:
    I am a Wildcat Sysop and I would like to know if there are any other
Wildcat Sysops that have Internet access.  If so I would like to know if you
would be willing to use INTERNET mail and FTP to trade files, both BBS 
utilites and anything else that cannot be found on the Internet.
    I would also like to chat and have someone to ask questions about the
BBS, how to handle bad users and the such.
    If anyone is interested please E-Mail me at either of the following E-Mail
addresses.
     
         NELSENDA@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU
         WAITD@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU

Darrin (DK) Wait
Dan Nelson
The Superior BBS
605-256-5493
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Re2: Shame on Fidonet
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:29:36 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:

>>>	IMHO, administation in fidonet is not much different than
>>>usenet.  You have your good guys and your bad guys.

>>Excuse me, but I don't believe you can compare the administration of
>>Fidonet and the non-administration of USENET. 

>There *IS* administration in USENET. Only the nature of administration is
>different. In FidoNet(tm) the administration is centralized and therefore
>clearly vissible. In USENET the administration is distributed and therefore
>not clearly vissible. Although details depend on the network you chose as
>a feed.

I don't know as I'd call it 'administration' as IMHO this usually
means some kind of hierarchy. But I agree with what you say that it
*is* administered. Only with USENET this is done by system
administrators whose collective judgement become conventions instead
of vertical hierarchy operating according to some written policy.

That didn't come out so well, but I think you know what I mean. Maybe
we could call it a 'lateral hierarchy'.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:43:10 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

>In article <Bu5pus.Gxv@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>>
>>>This is quite true.  My system is a good example of that decline.  I started
>>>this BBS as a small, alias-based system running RBBS on my old original Compaq.
>>>I got bit by the fidonet bug before usenet, and local stuff declined from that
>>
>>most of us started with fidonet, then mature into usenet

>Well, Usenet does not have everything for all of its greatness. My BBS is
>part of a network that uses the Fidonet style networking (since it is
>mainly DOS machines and either Fido nodes or ex-Fido nodes) and it has
>what my users want. 

I took it that Banley was only giving the evoluton of his board as
an example of how the original stand-alone BBSs are in relative
decline as many of them have moved on to some kind of networking.

When I wanted to link Aegis to a network I investigate FidoNet but the
sysops in Tokyo didn't want to give Aegis a link as Aegis members
pay fees to support it and they wanted to only link with free BBSs.
So the choice was between calling the U.S. for Fido or a local call
for USENET. Didn't take  me long to decide :-)

>I would love to switch to some variant of *nix but
>then I would have to drop off of the network, at least for a few months.
>All of the interface software between Usenet/UUCP and Fidonet style
>networking is really bad on the *nix side and not much better (with the
>exception of Waffle) on the Fido technology or DOS side. There are
>*dozens* of small, special interest networks using Fidonet style
>networking on mainly DOS machines.

One of the reasons I got VPIX for my UNIX system was to allow the
possibility of running a Fidonode under its DOS emulation. I believe
Dave Hughes in Colorado a UNIX/Fido setup so I'm pretty sure it can
be done.... 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet editorals
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:46:46 PDT
Reply-To: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org
Distribution: world
Organization: midnight computer wiring society - Tujunga, CA, USA

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
> 
> [* editorials by Jennings and Henderson omitted *]
> 
> Thanks for putting up the Fidonet editorials. I guess I should have
> read them before because FidoNews arrives on Aegis but never felt
> any inclination to read them after the first few.... 

There is ALSO a newsgroup called comp.org.fidonet, in which EVERY
issue of FidoNews gets published!  It gets here via the newsgroup
before I have time to track it down locally...

-Brian


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Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5755 alt.bbs.internet:3623 comp.bbs.misc:890
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: a BBS gateway to internet
Keywords: internet BBS
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:36:54 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

njoddson@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Nick Oddson) writes:

> Hi,
>   I'm looking for information on how to go about getting a connection to
> internet (or fidonet or whatever) from a BBS... the costs involved, the 
> maintenance required, what I have to do to set it up, and the like.  The
> BBS is in the area code 807 (Northwestern Ontario, Canada) in a remote
> town with now educational facilities (except a small division of Lakehead)

Being on the internet is fantastically expensive.  Being connected to
the internet by creating a uucp path to an internet site can be
reasonable.  Your address strongly suggests you have access to a
reasonably complete news spool.  Scan newsgroup comp.mail.maps for the
map of the area you are interested in and search that map for the sites
closest to your target site.  Also look at the "Map for README" to find
the instructions for reading the map entries - this article is in the
regular rotation of articles in the newsgroup.

Waffle is a good choice of software to run on the target system. 
FSUUCP and UUPC also do the job, but all my experience is with Waffle. 
You can get waffle help by reading comp.bbs.waffle.

The cost then becomes a few dollars in shareware fees to different
suppliers and the phone tolls to call the feed sites.  Waffle will make
the phone calls on a schedule you control so you control the toll rate. 
You also have some control over the volume of traffic so you control
the number of toll minutes you have to pay for.  (If you get someone
offended enough to mail bomb you your tolls go skyhigh, so do the tolls
of your feed sites, and your name becomes mud.)

Hope this helps.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Shame on Fidonet
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 08:20:56 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>
> Excuse me, but I don't believe you can compare the administration of
> Fidonet and the non-administration of USENET.
>
> Likewise, while somebody may think of somebody else as "good" or
> "bad" there is no official designation of such. The convention in
> USENET is you speak for yourself.
>
> Just in case you haven't read it, attached is a statment of the
> current conventions.
>

I agree 100%.  The first significant difference I noticed between Usenet and
Fidonet was in the creation of newsgroups.  Here in the net we have a CFD, then
a CFV, and the users decide whether or not a group is added.  In the case of
alt groups, sometimes they just appear of their own accord.  In fidonet, if
users want an echo added, they have to get 2 Regional Echomail Coordinators to
concur with their desire before it's on the backbone.  Of course, anyone can
start their own echo off the backbone, if they're willing to foot the
transmission bill.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
From: baloo@mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: remote access message base problem
Summary: remote access problem
Keywords: remote access
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:55:12 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: 16550 uart chips question
Keywords: chip
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:14:02 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

dflynn@aludra.usc.edu (Daniel Flynn) writes:
>What about when you have an internal modem? I have a 9600 modem, but according
>to a program I ran to see if I had a 16550 Chip, I found nothing... Is there
>anything that can be done for an internal???

Unless you can find a socketed chip on the modem which is a 16450 or
8250, probably not.

-- 
Weiner's Law of Libraries:  There are no answers, only cross references.
From: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:39:52 GMT
Organization: Just Computers!

ks3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenton Shaver) writes:
: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
: > I've noticed that on a lot of BBS's, the sysops tend to go through a
: > lot of effort to identify users.  Things like auto-callback, extremely
: > limited access, requiring real names, etc. all strike me as overly
: > nosy.
: 
: I could not agree with you more.
: I've always assumed that this info was sold to mail-order companies,
: but who really gets it?  Why on earth is it needed?  
: 
: KWS

I don't know why you would assume the information gets sold to mail-order
companies.  I have met many Sysops and not a single one I know of has
sold their user list to mail-order compaines.  My guess is that you have
never run a system from your reply to the first message.

As someone else stated, you are using *MY* computer and before you use
*MY* computer I want to know a little about you.  We aren't overly nosy,
but just trying to protect our own butts.  With this sue happy society
we have, our little BBS can become a big, expensive legal problem.  Last
time I checked, Compuserv, Prodigy, Delphi, (the big boys) all want your
real name as well.    

I am not sure what your beef is, but you might want to spend some time
walking in someone elses shoes before you go around with the attitude
that people are being nosy about you.

Randy Just
uonline@infoserv.com
From: ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access. (was Sad to say...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:59:25 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

>>free, usenet and email site within my daughters local dialing area.
>>I tested it out and found I could send mail to my home machine for
>>nothing!  But, uuhhh, it only took about 10-20 calls to get through
>>the busy signals and mail took 3 day to get there. I set her up with
>>a TYMNET link and over which she calls Japan directly and it gets
>>charged to my VISA card.
>
>Try that with Fidonet -- first off, you have to have netmail credit
>posted to one machine, then you have to have enough machines set up
>as a relay to answer the phones.   Internet is much more efficient
>regardless of what Randy comes back with
>
 
I missed out on the original note/flame, but you folks apparently do not enjoy
access to a Fidonet system such as the one I operate.
 
I get both routed netmail and echomail in Fidonet every day from my hub and
much of the mail has just passed throw the backbone in the previous 8 hours.
Granted I do live in one of the best Regions of Fidonet, but I think that
Fidonet as a whole moves mail about pretty good - most of the problems I have
seen deal with local hubs which were not setup by knowlegeable persons in the
*C structure.  For the record, all of my users have access to routed netmail
for free - it tags along with the echomail and is not a burden to me nor my
hosts in Fidonet.  Fidonet systems lacking routed netmail for their users is
still a problem in many areas.  Users of RBBS-PC can solve their problems by
running my software - which is provided free of charge.
 
>Fidonet is operated out of garages and basements, while usenet for the most
>part is operated by corporate america and universities.
 
If only the majority of US citizens knew what they were subsidizing, we would
not enjoy Internet as it is today.  If I enjoyed a small % of the funding the
university here has for Internet I could provide much more.
 
>Don't forget, Fidonet is called the amateur network for a reason!
 
There is nothing written that says that which is done for fun cannot be fast
and reliable.  If you were a sysop I would suggest you work through your host
to attempt to remedy problems you seem to have run into, if you are a user, why
not help point the sysop of the system you call in the right direction so you
could enjoy it more?  Not all Fidonet sysops know exactly how Fidonet works or
how to remedy problems....I don't have all the answers either, but as a Fidonet
technology developer I do know a bit more than the average grunt sysop - plus I
live in the same region with Tony Davis who is a wealth of info.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:48:06 GMT

In article <2620@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>
>How about some details on what you mean by 'fidonet networking': 
>
>Do you mean you are part gated to and/or a part of Fidonet? 

 They are not normally gated and are NOT part of Fidonet.

>Do you mean you use the Fidonet network transport protocol? 

 Yes, we use that.

>Do you mean you use the Fidonet administrative policy document (no
>idea.)

 No, we have our own policies and charters.

Wassail,
Al Billings

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+
From: rob@skylinx.sa.com (Rob Cartaino)
Subject: Re: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Organization: Scientific Atlanta, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:10:32 GMT

fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
> 
> In <1992Sep11.120808.8933@crd.ge.com> davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
> 
>>  To put it simply, if someone posts something legally actionable, like
>>a PIN number, where to buy drugs, etc, I want to be able to point the
>>police at the poster and away from my system.
> 
> How nice of you to help out the police like that.
> 
> What if they mentino that they smoke an occasional joint?  What if they
> mention an interest in receiving a blowjob (illegal under most states'
> sodomy laws)?  You are a fucking pig, and I'm surprised you have any users
> at all.  Rename your BBS to The Entrapment BBS and put your cards on the
> table.

I think we need to make a distinction here between talking about "illegal"
activities on your BBS and having illegal activities taking place on
your BBS.  The law (and a sysop's responsibility) certainly makes
a distinction between freedom of speech (as in the first case) and
being party to a criminal activity.

It can easily be argued that a sysop is not responsible for the activities
of his/her users.  But when illegal activities come down to a criminal
investigation, since the activities took place on their system, there
is some risk of seizure for the purpose of evidence.  Sysops can very
likely protect their BBS if they can provide the information required
to conduct the investigation.

On the Big Brother sentiment: I believe that sysops should spell out in their
"caller agreement" that they will not look at or use private information
(i.e. private messages, conversations, e-mail, etc) 
unless he or she can establish "reasonable belief" that illegal activities
are occuring that place their BBS at risk.  Establishing reasonable belief
is a whole other discussion but at least adapting this policy puts the
user at ease that their private discussions remain private. 
         
-- 
---                                              
Rob Cartaino - Melbourne, FL
rob@skylinx.sa.com