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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Where the pro-ACC stand ends
Organization: Bell Communications Research
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:15:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.160552.16171@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
|> 
|>    There is only one team in the ACC that I would never take a pro-ACC stand
|>  with. That team is Virginia.
|> 
|>  When it comes to Virginia, I have never seen a more obnoxious bunch of idiots
|>  ever rub in a win so much every year as Virginia. Because the Virginia
|>  marching band decided to publicly ridicule another school, they got what
|>  was coming to them. Thomas Jefferson would be embarassed if he were alive.
|>  I understand that some Virginia fans are sane people with class, but I hate to
|>  tell you, you need to hold a majority before I take a pro-ACC stand.

I just got off the phone with some people at the registrar, and believe 
it or not, but they have no record of any "Derrell Emery Larocque" ever
attending Virginia Tech.

And I was so sure too...

Sorry Charlie and Jay, but we can't claim training this one.

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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: ACC Predictions 9/5/92
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150217.10601@ncsu.edu> delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW ) writes:
>In article <67549@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>|> }Maryland at Virginia  
>|> }--------------------
>|> I think Virginia will completely dominate this one, in spite of 
>|> their recent troubles with the Terps.  Duffner represents a
>|> dramatic change from previous Maryland coaches, and the growing
>|> pains are going to show for the first few weeks, at least.
>|> Virginia 28, Maryland 8

> I would allow Maryland another TD or two here. From what I
> understand, Duffner brings in a run-n-shoot. Maryland has a couple of
> sure-handed receivers (Badgett and another one whose name eludes me at
> the moment). If Maryland has a decent quarterback, they will roll up
> some yardage. I still think Virginia will beat them because of
> Maryland's lack of defense. I would make the score: Virginia 31,
> Maryland 21.

Well, I say you're both wrong ;-) Virginia has always been a slow starter,
and that should be no different with a new QB at the helm. I'm not sure
Virginia will get more than 17 points in this one (they rarely break this
mark in Sept. it seems).

However, I don't think MD will score more than 1 TD with it's offense. I
have never seen a team run the Run & Shoot well in its first YEAR, much
less it's first game. I see lots of dropped passes, passes to nowhere
(because the WR and QB made different reads), and INTS coming Sat. night.
Also, Virginia _finally_ had a good defense last year, for the first time
under Welsh. (I don't thnk many people noticed that the defense was _much_
better than ever under Welsh, since he finally fired the defensive
coordinator, Spaziani (?), and replaced him with Rick or Ray Lansz (sic?)
last year, the guy who helped make Louisville's defense good. Lansz switched
from that lame 5-2 to an aggressive 4-3, and UVa finished near the top
natioonally in scoring defense.) Most of the guys are back. I predict a
boring game (which is a shame, since it's the only one I'll be able to
attend), with a final something like 17-10 or maybe 20-10. I hope I'm wrong.

Jay




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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: thurman thomas/barry sanders commercial
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:14:52 GMT

 [OSU-ex commercial stuff deleted]
|>    |> 	Not being a real betting person, I won't bet with Thurmon. I
|>    |> will say that I KNOW who the best NFL running back is. He happens to
|>    |> wear silver and blue.
|>    |> 
|> 
|> 	   Yeah, and he didn't go to OSU.   He's the 'Boys (silver and blue)
|>       Emmitt Smith (UofF) and 1991's league leader in rushing yards...Nuff said.
|> 
|> If that were enough, you wouldn't (apparently) have just about everybody,
|> except the ardent Cowboy fans, disagreeing with you.
|> 
|> Emmitt is a stud.  And he is a solid #3.  But #3 nonetheless.
|>

        If they said Thomas and Sanders had the most potential to be the 
   best running back, I would agree with them.  They're in better scheme's
   with better surrounding talent and with equal or better skills than 
   Emmitt.  By traditional standards, the running back who rushes for the
   most yards is the best; this would be Emmitt.  A better way to judge
   a RB would be by total offense production; clearly this would be Thomas.
   OK, I would agree that there's no perfect way to judge who's the "best"
   running back.  So, I opt to choose one attribute of the position which
   I felt most closely defined the "best-ness" of a player at that position.
   In this case, total rushing yards...the once and future king -- EMMITT!


                Just Kidding around  :).  The guy left himself wide open
    with the silver and blue stuff.  I thought I would slip a quick one
    in but I forgot to include smileys.

 
|> Bill
|>
|> -------------------------------
|> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
|> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: asami@cs.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi ASAMI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:43:54
Organization: CS Div., Dept. of EECS, UC Berkeley
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In-reply-to: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 09:20:10 PST

In article <78440@ut-emx.uucp>
        pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee) writes:

 * Here is the Sports Illustrated 1992 preseason college football poll, as
 * reported in today's _Houston Chronicle_:

 * 20. San Diego State

I guess they think SDSU is the best football team in the state of
California? ;)

Satoshi
go bears
asami@cs.berkeley.edu
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Schembechler Syndrome
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:52:12 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <16856DAAD.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>The strong test of the church vs. school principle will be when BYU plays
>Notre Dame this year.

This was also tested in the 1980 "Miracle Bowl" when BYU beat 
Southern Methodist on a no-time-on-the-clock Hail Mary. :-)

(For those who don't remember this game, BYU/McMahon scored 
three touchdowns in four minutes to overcome a 45-25 deficit 
and win 46-45. They actually had four touchdowns in the last
five minutes, outscoring SMU 28-7.)

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: A&M is way-cool (was: something about cajun-high)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:13:52 GMT

Steve Chapin (sjc@cs.purdue.EDU) wrote:
: Knock, knock.  That *is* momma, with the new kid...
: 
: Lisa Smith, Gary "Goober" Smith; get it?

Yeah, I've already been mildly blasted both here and through e-mail...

So here's my public apology:

I'M SOOOO STUPID!! I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION...  I'LL NEVER MAKE
ANOTHER MISTAKE AS LONG AS I LIVE.

Well, probably not that last one...

Anyway, apologies to both Lisa and the Goobster.
(And the baby)
(No, not for having goober as a daddy)
(Goober! Quit hitting me! I said I was sorry!)

:^)  's all around.

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:44:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rszczerb@picasso.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) wrote:
} 
}I think you've got your facts a little mixed up.  ND finished #2
}in 1989, behind Miami ... 

Oops - I looked at 1990 rather than 1989.  BTW, Notre Dame finished
#3 in the AP and #2 in the UPI in '89.  (This only further strengthens
Jay's original poin that although the ACC has gotten the KOC monkey
off it's collectivbe back, it did so against what was probably a
much weaker team than the first two tries.)

}                          though loyal ND fans such as myself
}thought they deserved to be #1 ... 

After Miami thrashed them 27-10 at the end of the season?
You are a loyal fan. ;-)

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From: rszczerb@goethe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame, Michigan and other stuff
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:12:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.133544.11537@cs.wayne.edu> steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips) writes:
>You have to give Notre Dame a little credit though.  By refusing to schedule
>Miami in future years because of their "lower academic standards" than Notre
>Dame, they at least gave themselves a shot to go without a crushing defeat
>every year...  That is, if they get by Michigan.
>
>I don't wanna play you if we're not gonna win!  Wahhh!
>What a joke.
>
>Steve.
>U-M '92
>

What in the world are you babbling about?  Miami's academic standards had nothing
to do with not starting up a new series with them.  I don't think it was a
question of avoiding a crushing defeat either ... ND beat Miami two out of the last
three times they played.  I think you were watching too many reruns of Leave it to
Beaver and not enough football on Saturday afternoon.     


As for ND playng the mighty wolverines ...  Why is Michigan discontinuing
the series with ND for a few years.  Could it be that the mighty Wolverines
desperately want a shot at the National Championship and are sick of losing
the opening game of the season to the mighty Irish.  Or could it be that Michigan's
low academic standards don't even warrant a game with the Irish. :) :)

   - Rob
From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)

--
>m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:

>>hung on to win. One thing I'm sure you have learned by now. Dealing with
>>many of the CU fans is like dealing with a woman in the midst of a severe
>>case of PMS (Sorry Ladies - it's the best analogy I can think of at the >>moment). They are so daggum tempermental. And what a case of tunnel vision.
>>Gheesh. I've only met a few (I live in Colorado) that will talk logically
>>about their team. 

>Hey Husker-

>I live in Alabama and I've never met a BAMA fan that will admit that
>The Bear is dead, much less talk logically about their team.  I guess
>following up on the thread about special teams, withOUT David "Duece"
>Palmer BAMA would have been pretty mediocre last year.  But - they did
>have him, and he is back this year too.
 
I sort of know what you mean. Us Nebraska fans USED to be the same way in
general. The last 3 or 4 years have brought us back to earth though. I think
most Husker fans have a much more accurate perspective now than we used to.
Nebraska is a good team - but not a GREAT team - right now anyway.

Later,

Husker Henderson  aka Nebraska Marty

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	only? What about the Democratic congeress which has been in power for
	28 years? VOTE THE OLD MEN OUT !!!

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Where is the JP Sports Network Avail at? (I want
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:39:33 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) wrote:
}
}Looks like that is the case(unfortunately).  I *guess* ESPN whined hard 
}enough to have the cfa eliminate the TBS broadcasts.  Which is
}unfortunate and disappointing.

No, ESPN was not involved in the decision.  The SEC simply got a
better money of from JP/Raycom.  TBS had not gotten the ratings
they were planning on for the past couple of seasons.

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs A&M
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:27:01 GMT

Denise Chuk (dchuk@netcom.com) wrote:
: Well, A&M did beat Stanford last night, but I would say a really BAD, and I
: mean BAAAAADD call by the zebras helped too.  A turnover in such a close
: game sure can made a big difference.  (I don't mean to belittle A&M's win, 
: but the stupid call really could, and IMHO did affect the outcome.)

As has already been said several times, yes, it was a bad call.  Did it
affect the outcome of the game?  Doubtful.  I mean, all it did was mess with
the field position some in the 3rd quarter...  $tanfraud wasn't exactly
blazing up and down the field at any time in the second half.

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:23:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.100605.3844@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

   In article <1992Aug31.200843.10591@alc.com>, stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
   > 
   > [All listed times are Pacific, some games may be local only, but I can't
   >  tell from the listing.]
   > 
   >  9/03:	 4:45pm		ESPN	Oklahoma at Texas Tech
   >  9/05:	 9:30am		ESPN	Louisville at Ohio State

	   9:30 *AM*!!!!  What a crock.  Please say this is a misprint.

	   Saturday mornings were meant for recovery, not for football.

	   I guess I'll just have to haul myself out of bed and find a cable TV
   before breakfast :).

That depends.  If write.edu is WSU, which is in Ohio, you should haul
yourself out of bed around noon.  I, I, I say son.  Thats Pacific time, which
is 12:30 in Columbus, a very respectable time to start playing football.


   > 	 3:30pm		ESPN	Ohio State at Syracuse

	   Much better :).

Right.  That would be a night game, apparently.

   > 11/21:	 9:00am		ABC	Michigan at Ohio State

	   OSU 34, That team from up north, 0.  In the rain.  Missedagain coughs it
   up five times.                                                       

Can't tell time, and can't remember the last time OSU won either. 


Bill
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From: brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov) (Mike Brookover)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: 27 Aug 1992 20:12:53 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <l9q0nsINNejj@male.EBay.Sun.COM> rossm@orcrist.EBay.Sun.COM (Ross
McCammon) writes:
>
>>Bill's socalled multiple offense is NO MATCH to the nation's
>>#1 defense in A&M.
>
>I don't see how you can call A&M's defense #1 when they allowed more
>rushing yards and more passing yards than Stanford! And I don't think
>even the most enthusiastic Stanford fan would lay claim to the #1 D.
>
>Generally it was a lousy game. Lousy O, dumb mistakes, and lousy
>announcers. As with most defensive games it came down to turnovers,
>and the one that cost Stanford the game was a lousy call.
>
As an Aggie I will agree that the "interception" was a lousy call...
however, the fact that Stanford could not move the ball after the first drive
cost them the game.  A&M only had the ball for a few plays before punting for
the 10000th time during the game after the "interception".  I would think that
Coach Walsh would not use the "interception" as an excuse for not being able to
move the ball during most of the game.

>I didn't realize till last night that Bob Toledo was A&M's offensive
>coordinator. You guys are in big trouble because he is terrible.

Most Aggies I know agree with your opinion of Bob Toledo.  He has almost no
ability to adjust to new defenses he is facing (as was obvious in the PS
Classic) or to new players on his own team.  I have been hoping he would get a
head coaching job elsewhere...or have Texas hire him (like Amadee).


mgb
From: hellfire@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Brian Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kickoff classic Iowa-NCSU (Big-10 vs ACC)
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:36:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

marsden@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden) writes:

>In article <67090@hydra.gatech.EDU> you write:
>>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) wrote:
>>}
>>}Well, Njan, ill take it even further. Iowa is a big time program, whereas
>>}NCSU is an Acc upstart.
>>
>>And you can stop right there!  Any ACC team in the Kickoff Classic is
>>going to get creamed - that is a given.
Yeah, right! :)

>Maybe Ga Tech might have a problem with a "big time" program, but I'm pretty
>certain that FSU would handle any of the BIG-10 school handily (given they
>play to their potential and don't get too complacent when they are far
>ahead).  In fact, I am more worried about losing the Clemson game this year
>than I was of the Michigan game last year.
I almost winced when I saw the Sept. 19 date with FSU.  Forgot about them...
Ugh.
>Jonathan Marsden
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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: DuBose
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:33:22 GMT

According to CNN DuBose (ND middle linebacker) received a 2 game
suspension (Northwestern and Michigan).
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Details About The Polls
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:47:22 GMT


The following is a summary of an article by Pat Sullivan that
ran in the SF Chronicle earlier this week:

A.P. Poll: The oldest and most influential.  Number of voters: 62
(increased this year from 60 to reflect size of division I).  Makeup:
Sportswriters and columnists, recruited by the A.P. bureaus,
refelecting the number of major college teams in each state.  Rick
Warner, the A.P.  poll coordinator, says he monitors the voters
closely and warns them that if they behave too illogically tehy will
be taken off the poll.  ``several times a year'' some votes are
questioned.

USA Today/CNN Poll: The Board of Coaches" was affiliated with UPI from
1950-1990, but decided to look elsewhere when United Press got into
financial difficulties.  The American Football College Association
recommends the 60 voters from among 107 major-college coaches.  This
seems to include all the "traditional" winners.  The coaches poll is
usually criticized because ``it was perceived that some participants
were downplaying their own teams, playing up an opponent or giving a
team in their own conference a higher vote.''  USA Today's Jim Welch
said that after last year somebody voted Miami 3rd in the final poll,
he ``discussed it with the coaches association but they didn't have a
problem with this.''  This year, about 20 of the 60 voters will be
new.  The voters are proportioned by five regions (Atlantic, South,
Midwest, SW, West).  Quote: ``it has been common practice for a coach
to pencil in his top few picks, then hand over the rest of the ballot
for his sports information director to fill in.''  Note also that CNN
presents the new poll in a Sunday morning show, which can be as soon
as ten hours after the end of a late West Coast game.

UPI Poll: Conducted by the National Football Foundation, whose members
include former college players, coaches, administrators, journalists
and others.  100 NFF members are polled, 25 from each geographical
region.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford?
Keywords: hello?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:32:51 GMT

In article <BtnBMo.CnB@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
> Is the internet down at Stanford?
> Its been awfully quiet on the left coast...
> Michael Nelson

Folks out here get up about 3 hours later, you know.. 


Anyway.. big-time defensive struggle it was. I was very impressed
with Stanford's ability to stop the run. The jury is still out if
they they can stop a team that can run and pass. 

Both teams showed signs of early-season rustiness, especially on
offense. 


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From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: Engineering Computer Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:32:54 GMT

Not until next year, anyway.

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