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From: kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Destiny vs ODT vs Dell vs ESIX
Summary: the question at hand
Keywords: Destiny ODT SCO Dell ESIX
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:59:07 GMT

In article <1ad049INNn8a@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*----
>In article <BvEKyv.LJ4@portal.hq.videocart.com> kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>> I saw Destiny at Xhibition. I tried:
>>
>> cc -s -o test test.c
>> cc: not found
>>
>> Does that answer your question?
>
>Answer *what* question?  That the path was screwed up in the
>shell you were using?  That the C compiler had been deleted 
>from that particular system?  

The question at hand was what you might get for $395.

I know Sun unbundled their compiler.  IMHO, that is the worst mistake
they've made in their history as a system supplier.  Plenty of people agree
with me.  There is no single issue that Sun has ever faced that has
generated more anger and screams of protest from their user community.

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Keywords: Diamond, free-software
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:30:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.075815.10416@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>In article <Bv034L.DEJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>>> Complete schematics, parts list, how to obtain it, complete doc. on
>>> how to build it, everything available on public domain.

>> Why bother, when you can buy a very good card for under $200?

>Why?  To quote the posting you replied to, complete schematics, parts
>list, how to obtain it, [...], everything available on public domain.

>Of course, perhaps your "very good card for under $200" *has* all of
>that.  If so, please tell me where to get it!  Tell the whole net
>where, for that matter - the Diamond flap has demonstrated the
>existence of plenty of people who'd love to find such a thing.

You seem to be arguing that simply because all this stuff is
in the public domain it immediately makes the card 

1) Good. Fast.
2) Reliable.
3) Widely used.
4) Free.

In other words better than the $200 commercial item. Or at 
least you'd need to argue that having everything in public 
domain makes everything else a worthwhile sacrifice..

Then you forget you actually have to buy the parts, then 
build, test and debug the thing.



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Wangtek or Archive??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:12:30 GMT

vid@zooid.guild.org (David Mason) writes:
>From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
>>
>>We have an Archive 2150S here and use a combination of 60/150/250
>>meg tapes here without any problems
>>
>I assume you aren't writing to the 60MB tapes? I thought that wasn't possible.

It is possible.  However I have found that it is necessary to first erase
those tapes before writing to them (if they've been used before).

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From: nat@egg.gg.caltech.edu (Nathan Inada)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: TLI eqv of setsockopt(sd,SOL_SOCKET,SO_REUSEADDR,...) what is it?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:19:09 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: egg.gg.caltech.edu
Keywords: tcp, socket, tli
	struct sockaddr_in addr ;
	int sd,opton = 1 ;
	
	sd = socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0) ;
	setsockopt(sd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (char*)&opton, sizeof(opton));

and it works fine.
with TLI i tried :
	struct t_optmgmt	req, ret ;
	struct t_bind	*binfo ;
	int sd, opt, ropt ;

	sd = t_open("/dev/tcp",O_RDWR, NULL) ;
	binfo = (struct t_bind*)t_alloc(sd,T_BIND,T_ADDR) ;
/* blah blah set up server address and port blah blah blah...*/
	t_bind(sd, binfo, binfo) ;

	ret.opt.buf = (char*)&ropt ;
	ret.opt.len = ret.opt.maxlen = sizeof(ropt) ;

	req.opt.buf = (char*)&opt ;
	req.opt.len = req.opt.maxlen = sizeof(opt) ;

	opt = SO_REUSEADDR ;
	req.flags = T_NEGOTIATE ;

	t_optmgmt(sd, &req, &ret) ;

this ain't how to do it cuz it dont work.
but it was my best guess. we cannot call t_optmgmt() before t_bind()ing
because the state of the endpoint must be T_IDLE...(i tried it anyway
and, yep, it didnt work).

help!

thanks
nathan
nat@gg.caltech.edu
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Destiny vs ODT vs Dell vs ESIX
Keywords: Destiny ODT SCO Dell ESIX
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <BvEvqJ.Hz@portal.hq.videocart.com>, kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

| The question at hand was what you might get for $395.
| 
| I know Sun unbundled their compiler.  IMHO, that is the worst mistake
| they've made in their history as a system supplier.  Plenty of people agree
| with me.  There is no single issue that Sun has ever faced that has
| generated more anger and screams of protest from their user community.

  Sun claims that they have left in all the includes and stuff you will
need to drop in gcc, providing you compile it on some bootstrap machine
to run on SunOS and emit Solaris code, or some such hack. I don't know
this to be true, I just know a Sun person said they did that and expect
many people to use gcc instead of buying the top of the line CC from Sun.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: Location of SCO Unix GCC binaries?
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 13:28:59 GMT

shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite) writes:


>  Could some kind soul please tell me where I can ftp the SCO
>Unix binaries for GCC from?  Thanks!

>Steve Hite
>shite@sinkhole.unf.edu

anomaly.sbs.risc.net is a good site.  Best to use their snarf server.

send mail to snarf@anomally.sbs.risc.net with the subject: snarf
In the message put the lines:
snarf address (your e-mail address)
snarf help


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From: jeff@samantha.chi.il.us (Jeffrey K. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Wangtek or Archive??
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:23:21 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@samantha.chi.il.us
Organization: JBC Associates

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

: In addition to the question of Wangtek and Archive, I'm also
: curious about reactions about two other brands of SCSI tape
: drives:
: 
: - Tandberg (didn't they use to make really good audio cassette decks?)
: 
: - Sankyo
: 
: Both appear to be reasonably priced and decent performers. Moreover,
: both have a top-of-the-line model that uses the "Magnus" tapes for
: QIC capacities of >1GB.
: 
: Is anyone out there using one of these brands?

Here is a bit of trivia:

There are only four manufacturers of QIC (full size, not floppy tape)
tape drives, everyone else OEMs from them.  The manufacturers are
Archive, Wangtek, Tandberg and Sankyo.  Sankyo actually holds a couple
patents on the head assemblies and until recently did not sell under
their own name (they OEMed to IBM and Commodore.)  (eg.  Tallgrass uses
Wangtek for both QIC and 4mm DAT.)

As for drives that work with Unix, I have used Wangtek, Archive and
Sankyo drives.  Both QIC-36/QIC-02 and SCSI from all of them.  My
experiences have been:

	Archive QIC-02	- Fast, reliable and easy to configure
	Sankyo QIC-36	- Reasonably fast (uses Wangtek compatible
			  drivers and controllers) inexpensive
	Wangtek QIC-36 	- Slow and hard to configure reliably and expensive
	
	Archive SCSI	- Fast and reliable
	Sankyo SCSI	- Fast, reliable and inexpensive
	Wangtek SCSI	- Reasonably fast and expensive
	
Under ISC and Esix SVR3.2 and ISC and AT&T SVR4, all three brands of
QIC-02/QIC-36 are supported.  The Sankyo uses Wangtek drivers (they
actually ship Everex tape controllers). 

The SCSI drives are all compatible with SVR3.2 and SVR4 for i386/i486. 
Be aware that 525M drives use a 1K physical block size whereas the
150/250M drives use 512 byte blocks, so your drivers need to support
variable block sizes or the drive will only write 250M on a 525M tape. 
(The tapes are the same length, but have different coercivity.)

I personally have an Archive VP150 (QIC-02 150/250M) w/ VP402 controller
and a Sankyo ST150 (SCSI 150/250M) w/ Adaptec 1542B.  Both are great. 
The Sankyo cost a lot less than the Archive.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: davidg@nevada.edu (DAVID GONZALES)
Subject: Re: Unix "Lite" is not so light
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:49:25 GMT


Hi,
	Some things that a group of "pc-users" at work talked about:

	1. Support for TWAIN standard for scanners.
	2. Support for CAS for FAX/modems.
	3. Support for sound-blasters
	4. Universal Print Drivers (a la Windows 3.1)
	5. Midi-Sound Interface support
	6. Support for inexpensive tape drives (ie - Colorado, Irwin, etc)
	7. Support for new ATI Mach32 cards
	
	Some things that I would like:

	1. FAST X! (e.g., X386 1.2E)
	2. Support for 2.88 MB floppies 
	3. Support for CD-ROM/WORM/Erasable-ROM.

thanks,

David A. Gonzales
Harry Reid Center for Environmental Studies
UNLV
.
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Unix "Lite" is not so light
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:46:19 GMT
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745

shane@sbgrad7.cs.sunysb.edu (Shane Bouslough) writes:

>Consensys also ships on 60 floppies, but they charge an extra $100
>for the service.

that would (to me) be a nightmare -- 60 floppies.  Right now Dell
comes on 3 floppies (boot, kernel and unlimited users upgrade) and
one 250 meg tape (which runs just fine in a 150 meg drive).  CD
I think is an interesting alternative.

But if one doesn't have a tape, CD or DAT, floppies is the only way.

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From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: uucp g protocol tuning parameters -- help cutting phone bills!
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 07:24:15 GMT

[Please forgive the cross-posts  -- my news feed was down when the groups were
reorganized and I am not sure what should be posted where now.]

I have heard that I can possibly improve my uucp [news feed] performance by
twiddling with the "g protocol" window parameters. Right now I am running
Microport Unix System V R3.0, and am soon to install ESIX 4.0.3. My Microport
manuals seem to be silent on how to adjust the g protocol window  parameters,
and the ESIX I have doesn't have any manuals. Both Microport and ESIX have
HDB uucp.

I am very interested in improving my transmission speed for uucp -- I have a
Hayes Optima that should be capable of at least 960 cps [more with compression],
but I am only getting about 500 cps out of my [long distance  -- I pay  for it!]
link to uunet. I get about  900 cps out of a local link.

Does anyone  know what window parameters my uucp  partners can best use when
talking to my Microport 3.0 and Esix 4.0 systems? I assume that if they push
the parameters too hard, the connection will become unreliable, whereas if
they don't push hard enough, my connection will become slow. Correct?

Where can I find documentation on the ins-and-outs of the g protocol?

Someone please help me cut my phone bills! [no smart cracks about cutting
my news feed, please  :-) ]

orville

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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Keywords: Diamond, free-software
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:18:47 GMT

kkt@philabs.philips.com (Kim-Kiat Tan) writes:

>	What is the STB stands for ? I am shopping for a system with true
>24 bits color graphic, I saw a lot of Speedstar 24x, but since I am planning to
>program the card directly, Speedstar 24x is out if I cann't get information as
>to how to program it. But I have a hard time finding out what other vendors
>have a true 24 bits graphics display, anybody ? Also I am also looking at local
>bus (so I don't pay penalty for the graphic when running DOS programs using
>the local bus as compared with just the accelerated card), but most local bus
>graphic seems to only support 32k color.

STB is the name of a company.  They are in Texas.  Their new, low-end,
24bit boards are called the Powergraph X24 and the Powergraph VL24. 
The latter of these is for VESA local bus.

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Am I the only one with these Dell Svr4 Issue 2.2 problems ?
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:17:59 GMT
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848

jennings@lhotse.stortek.com (Jeff Jennings) writes:

>: Does X386 under SVR4 allow for a "console window" like on a Sun or
>: other "real" workstation?

>X386 1.2E doesn't seem to allow a console window, i.e. xterm -C doesn't 
>grab the console and xconsole gives an error about not being able to
>open the console.  maybe i'm just doing something wrong, i haven't really
>tried very hard to make it work.

That's too bad .. it's not any better than SVR3 in that respect then.

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From: david@wmms.UUCP (David R. Mayne)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Wangtek or Archive??
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:55:10 GMT
Organization: University of Absurdity

In article <2ABFD9F1.4C28@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>In addition to the question of Wangtek and Archive, I'm also
>curious about reactions about two other brands of SCSI tape
>drives:
>
>- Sankyo
>
>Is anyone out there using one of these brands?
>

The Sankyo SCSI 250 works fine with a 1542 and ESIX 4.04, quite fast,
and has a direct drive mechanism (no belts to wear or stretch). We
have been quite satisfied with the Sankyo units.


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From: rcskb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Kendall Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Keywords: Diamond, free-software
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:05:22 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:

[masses of text deleted...]

>I need positive feedback and support!

>The design, development, manufacturing process has not begun yet.
>If I can make you comfortable, I was a founder of a company which
>was going to produce a communications chip and I have over 13
>years of experience as a software engineer. 

Maybe this thread should be amalgamated with the "GNU hardware" thread?
I love the idea so lets discuss it some more...

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Subject: Microtec Research BBS
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Microtec Research Inc., Santa Clara, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:00:13 GMT

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Newsgroups: comp.newprod
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: comp.newprod
Subject: Trillium Sound Research Inc. Announces TextToSpeech Kits for NeXT
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:34:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Schaumburg, IL

September 10th, 1992
Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Trillium Sound Research Inc. is now shipping Release 1.0 of the
User and Developer TextToSpeech Kits for the NeXT Computer.

The Developer TextToSpeech Kit enables developers to incorporate
text-to-speech capabilities into their applications quickly and
easily.  The Kit offers unrestricted text-to-speech conversion from
arbitrary text of any length.  The speech is synthesized on the DSP
chip in real-time, with full control over speaking rate, pitch,
intonation, volume, and stereo balance.

The User TextToSpeech Kit provides the functionality to support any
application which incorporates text-to-speech, on the end user's
computer.  It also includes PrEditor, an application which allows
users to customize pronunciations, and BigMouth, an application which
provides a text-to-speech service to any application which has a
Services menu.

The TextToSpeech Kit is integrated seamlessly into the NeXTSTEP
environment (both 2.x and 3.0).  It is implemented with a
client-server structure, which means that applications need link in
only a small amount of code for text-to-speech capability.  The
TextToSpeech Server supports up to 50 client connections at one time.
Since each connection can be configured differently, several
different sounding voices can exist at once.

Pronunciations are provided by a large Main Dictionary, plus optional
custom dictionaries created by the user and/or application developer.
A letter-to-sound algorithm gives pronunciations for neologisms and
rare or misspelled words.  Numbers, symbols, and abbreviations are
handled intelligently.

Contact Trillium regarding Developer and User Kit pricing.  Due to
the large size of the TextToSpeech Kit, a demo is not available,
but we do offer a 30 day money-back guarantee on single quantity
purchases.  All shipping is via air courier.

Developers may incorporate the TextToSpeech Object into their
application without any licensing fee.  Users must acquire a User (or
Developer) Kit along with the application.  This may be supplied by
the developer, or purchased by the user directly from Trillium.
Discounts are available to developers for bulk purchases of the
necessary Kits.


For a brochure, price schedule, and order form, contact Trillium
Sound Research at:

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     tel:     (403)284-9278
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     mail:    Trillium Sound Research Inc.
              1500, 112 - 4th Avenue S.W.
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