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From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: london and the mai'm
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.165256.6431@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes...
>I just got back from pakistan via london.
> 
>Landing in london was like a dream come true, i have finally landed in 
>the capiol of the british empire it is like going to pilgrimage. An 
>awesome expierence !!!!!!!!

	Shall we call it an "ex-capital of ex-British Empire?" :) 
	

>I felt sorry for them and offered them paki citizen ship .........

		I don't about this one ... ;)
> 
>But one thing for sure the english women are the UGLIEST women i have  seen.
>Ugly no looks, a white pale skin ...... no wonder they were such good
>sailors. Who wouldn't be ?????????

	Maybe you can help me here. What one`s skin color got to do 
with one's talent as a sailor ? :)
> 
>sahibzada rafay khan[looking for a blonde but not an english women UGH!]
			==================================

	Is hair color really that important ? 

Regards,
Asim M Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: AHMEDF@BELOIT.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: bangla new year
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:47:00 GMT

Thanks Neon and Hassan, for setting me straight about the bengali year!
shubho noboborsho to both of you!
--Famin.
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From: b645zmk@utarlg.uta.edu ( ( ABED / PAPPU ))
Subject: Re: The War of '71 - Moving On...
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Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:01:00 GMT

In article <kti53jINNmgj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir) writes...
>I really want to move the focus of this discussion to the two issues
>that I presented in an earlier post and away from the personal nature
>of what follows. These issues were a) polarization in Bangladeshi 


                    [deleted]


>No one is holding every citizen of Pakistan responsible. But, on the
>other hand, many of the 1971 murderers are probably top brass in the 
>Pak Army now. Why were they never tried? Why was there never one word 
>of apology from Pakistan? Why was there never any compensation for the 
>families of the murdered, wounded, and raped ones? 
> 
>>>At least I am clear on one thing. The only way that I'll ever support
>>>Pakistan in anything will be OVER MY DEAD BODY.  
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Highly appreciated.

          [deleted]

>It is not up to me to forgive, because I was one of the lucky ones whose
>entire family survived the war intact. It is up to those who lost loved ones,
>those who were tortured, wounded or raped. I stand by them, because they
>are my compatriots, because I love and respect a good many of them, and
>because I have seen what a grave injustice has been done to them. When 
>they forgive, I'll forgive, too.
> 
>For those of us who got out of the 1971 war intact, it seems like a bad 
>dream that happened in the past. But, for those who lost loved ones, 
>that nightmare is not over. Jahanara Imam lives every day of her life, 
>even now, without her son Rumi. For her and countless others, the war 
>is a lived experience that is not over yet.
> 
> 

>- Ihtisham Kabir

We do appreciate your stand. And most of the Bangladeshis have the same
feeling, those who do not, should think it over again.
From: maa2610@zeus.tamu.edu (ALAM, MD ASHRAFUL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: TEST, ignore, overlook, neglect, skip, pass, cold-shoulder.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:38:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Test. Please ignore, overlook, neglect, skip, pass, cold-shoulder, 
or flame.

So you see I have come to doubt
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.

                   -Paul Simon

Ashraful Alam
Texas A&M UniversitY
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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: Saddam's killing and etc..
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:05:22 GMT

In article <rq13rINN3p5@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:


	   During the gulf war, were there protests against Bd sending 
   troops(in bd ofcourse) ? 
-----

The US embassy in Dhaka was one of the first worldwide to be attacked and
closed. Aliance Francaise was also attacked as were foreign [Euro] diplomats
in cars.

--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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"This is a [war] between the pure and the impure"
	[Pakistani army officer, quoted in Maj. Rofiqul Islam's compilation]
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From: rrah@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Runa Rahman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The lens through which we view the world
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:42:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Apr17.174257.22860
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


I read a wonderful little book a few months ago - "What's Worth Teaching?:
Selecting, Organizing and Integrating Knowledge" by Marion Brady (Albany,
SUNY Press, 1989).

He talks about how we view all things through our cultural "lens", even "hard"
facts, and how the core of any curriculum should be a study of the lenses (ours
and those of other societies) and their distortions and opacities, in an attempt
to move out of our conditioning, work on changing the attitudes that are the  
roots of our social problems, and to appreciate and learn from other cultures.

I liked the book a lot - I highly recommend it, and I think a lot of you would
like it, too.  It's very readable and short (important to me - can't spend TOO
much time reading books outside my field ;) though I do find the philosophy of
education fascinating).
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From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: NEW YEAR
Originator: hassan@bcrka434
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:20:28 GMT

From bcrka451!bnrgate!stl!uknet!mcsun!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!BELOIT.EDU!AHMEDF Wed Apr 15 13:45:45 EDT 1992
Article: 4075 of soc.culture.bangladesh
From: AHMEDF@BELOIT.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: poilah boishakh
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:53:00 GMT

>SHUBHO NOBOBORSHO!!! EVERYONE! by the way, pardon my ignorance, but what
>year does that make it then? can't remember.....
>have a good year everyone!
>--Famin.

This is Bengali Year -- 1399.
Shuvo Nabo Barsho to everyone.

Hassan.


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From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Amnesty & Capital Punishment?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: occs.NAEEM.92Apr14173316
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science

In article <1992Apr13.195355.25053@udel.edu> kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:


   One of the current threads leads me to ask scb-ers:

		   "What is your opinion on capital punishment?"
-----
Amnesty International's newest campaign for the elimination of death sentences
for juvenile offenders lists the US as one of only 9 countries that still does
this. Bangladesh heads list of other "barbaric" countries. Also, when this
issue came up for debate in 1989, American Civil Liberties Union leader
was quoted as saying: This is the sort of thing you expect to see in Iran or
Bangladesh.


--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
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"God forbid if Pakistan should ever break up"
				[Gulam Azam, press conference]
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From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: recent baimela
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:59:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

Thanks to Asif Saleh for posting information on the Boi Mela.
Glad to see that the Bangladeshi book industry is thriving.

Last time I was home, in December 91, Dhaka bookshops were, as
usual, flooded with books from West Bengal. It used to be that
West Bengal would import very few books from Bangladesh. Is
this still true? 

If this is still true, let's hope that India's recent change into
free market economy changes that and encourages West Bengal to
import more Bangladeshi books.

- Ihtisham Kabir
From: a0h9342@zeus.tamu.edu (HAQUE, ANISUL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: To Shakil
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:08:00 GMT

It is interesting to see that the topic 'The war of '71-Moving On..' is the 
only widely discussed topic during the last months in which Shakil hasn't 
participated. I would like to know your views. I read in the net that you too 
were raised in the west. Do you feel the same way as Runa feels?  
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Regards

Anisul Haque
a0h9342@sigma.tamu.edu
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: recent baimela
Date: 9 Apr 1992 02:58:43 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>If this is still true, let's hope that India's recent change into
>free market economy changes that and encourages West Bengal to
>import more Bangladeshi books.
>
>- Ihtisham Kabir

	Last time i read something about the economic plans, there were 
different terms used. India is turning into a free economy, not a free 
market economy. I think the difference is that in a free economy the 
government give incentives to citizens to start ventures and involves
itself in colaboration with outside investors for a export based industry.
Unlike in a free market economy, where the outside investors manufacture
and seel goods and serivces in the country as well. So, America would be 
a free market economy, since the country imports and creates markets
for other countries. Perhaps this example will make it a bit more clear:
GM and Hindustan Motors have gone into colaboration to make radiators.
Both have put up the money and a plant has been built and running at 
full capacity. However, a very large percentage of the radiators have to be
shipped by GM out of India. That has been the deal. The government doesnt
care what GM does with all the radiators, I suppose for all they care,
GM could dump all of them in the sea. The small percentage that is left
is used my Hindustan Motors in its own cars. The difference is that if
India was a free market then only GM would be making the radiators and 
selling them in india as well as shipping them out. I suppose something
like what Toyota does in this coutry. I am sure some economist's out there 
would shed some light on this.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: TV System in Bangladesh?
Reply-To: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:39:37 GMT

Can someone help me by informing what is the current TV System 
in Bangladesh? Is it PALL, SECAM, or combination of both?

Thank you in advance.

-- Ruhul Amin

INTERNATE    umera@msu.oscs.montana.edu
BITNET       umera@mtsunix1
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: A Few Words
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:31:11 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


I spoke with my Father in Dhaka two days ago. He mentioned that the
recent movement to bring Golam Azam to trial illustrate two interesting
points. They are:

i) The young people in Bangladesh remain adamantly opposed to the killers
of 1971. My father said that the meeting held in Ramna Park was considered
to be the largest since the early 1970's.

ii) The increasing irrelevance of the established political parties. This
movement was established by an ad hoc committee headed by Mrs. Jahanara
Imam. The fact that a group of concerned citizens, and not the opposition
party should start this movement, illustrates the intellectual and moral
bankruptcy of the two major political parties.

I was most touched to read Zunaid and Shahriar's memories of 1971. I too
can vividly recall that night in May when we crossed the border to India,
and the lights of Rajshahi that looked so beautiful as we walked
across the "chor".

Regards,
-Raza
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: More Propaganda from the Burmese Junta
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 17:10:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Looks like our favorite Burmese decided that offence was the best defense.
He seems lump Pakistan and Bangladesh as one, not realizing we let
Punjab, Sind, Balauchistan, NWFP and Kashmir secede the union in 1971.
(How can the majority secede :-).
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From: Soe Myint Aung <ap38@UMD5.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Bangladesh: 4 tribal rebels killed
X-To: seasia-l@msu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L
  <SEASIA-L%MSU.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>

"Four Bangladesh tribal rebels killed."

Chittagong, 31 March -- Bangladesh troops killed four tribal rebels in
a raid on their jungle camp in southeastern Bangladesh on Monday, defence
sources said.

  Troops overran the camp at Basantipara Village in Chittagong Hill Tracts
after nearly an hour of fighting with heavily armed Shanti Bahini (Peace
Force) guerillas, they said.

  The Shantis began their insurgency in 1973 after Bangladesh rejected
their demand for autonomy for the 5,500 square mile hill tracts.[MNA/Reuter]

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"Pakistan builds wall to stop Kashmiris"

Chakothi(Pakistan), 31 March -- Pakistani security forces were furiously
building a stone barrier on Monday to halt Muslim militants bent on
storming the ceasefire line dividing Pakistani from Indian-ruled Kashmir.

   A sea of paramilitary troops wearing blue helmets and riot gear stood
behind coils of barbed wire about 1.5 miles short of Chakothi and the
Indian-defended ceasefire line. [MNA/Reuter]
From: banla@brahms.udel.edu (Rosana Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:41:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: brahms.28755
Organization: University of Delaware

just testing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mrh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mohammad Ruhul Hossain)
Subject: Re: Capital Punishment?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:19:13 GMT

kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:

>One of the current threads leads me to ask scb-ers:

>		"What is your opinion on capital punishment?"

>-- Zunaid H. Kazi           302-456-3493          kazi@cis.udel.edu

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


	Capital punishment is killing!

			
--Neon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zmhasan@neumann.waterloo.edu (Z. Masum Hasan)
Subject:  burma: Silence of the Lambs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:52:23 GMT


Article 949 of bit.listserv.seasia-l:
From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: Re: Bihari Massacre and 71 war
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<SAHMED.92Apr11124300@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:48:27 GMT

In article <SAHMED.92Apr11124300@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

   Isn't Kader Siddiqui wanted for treason?? Or am I mistaken.
===========================================================================

As I recall, he was in prison when I was in Dhaka last summer.
I think he is still awaiting trial. 
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 775 5403
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	"No, I mean is there any venomous creature you're particularly
fond of?"
	He looked out of the window for a moment.
	"There was," he said, "but she left me."

				from "Last Chance to See"
					by
					Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: It's kind of neet!!
From: indhaka@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:02:37 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

                                -- Joy Islam
                                   Mankato State University. Mankato.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Subject: Re: The question of justice...
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:18:21 CDT

In article <1992Apr9.181532.16171@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> There was recently a huge mock trial of Ghulam Azam in Bangladesh.
> What was that supposed to accomplish?  All it succeeded in doing is in
> stirring public sentiment at a very large gathering, a very dangerous
> move in our country.  When a real trial is scheduled to take place
> soon, what is the purpose of a mock trial?  Do people have so little
 ^^^^^^
> faith in the legal system?  A mock trial is equivalent to making fun
> of the court, ridiculing the authorities, while stirring mob
> mentality.

  I don't know what are you trying to say by the word "SOON". If
  the arrest of Galam Azam , it is due to the mock trail. How you
  intention to try him soon, it will be due the mock trail. How you
  expect the people to have faith in the legal system when it failed
  to punish a criminal like him for 20 years. 
  
  I am very proud of those people who organized the mock trail. They
  performed a great moral duty by forceing  the govt. to take action
  against the enemies of the country. They waited for 20 years for
  the legal system to work. 


---Zakir
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<ZAHIN.92Apr10092215@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:44:35 GMT

In article <ZAHIN.92Apr10092215@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan) writes:
   In article <SAHMED.92Apr9162921@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

      Taiwan may ban workers from Thailand and begin importing workers from
      Bangladesh, Burma and Vietnam to relieve its labor shortage. 
				   ######
   But Bangladesh passports are not even valid for travel to Taiwan. Or
   at least they weren't in 1988 when I got mine. Does anyone know if
   the BNP govt. has shown any desire to establish diplomatic relations
   with Taiwan? 

A Bangladeshi passport is still not valid for travel to Taiwan and
there is still no diplomatic relations. However it is possible to go
to Taiwan with a temporary i.d. available at the consulate in
Singapore. Bangladesh does have trade relations with Taiwan and most
of the businessmen go to Taiwan with the i.d.

Saif
--
===========================================================================

Saifuddin Ahmed
sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 775-5807

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 12:12:14 CDT
From: <U15790@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: international festival

Dear Friends,
             we are proud to join in the International Festival at
the University of Illinois (chicago) on 22nd and 23rd of april 1992.
This is the second consecutive year of jioning in such Festival for
Bangladesh Students Association  at UIC.This is a  great opportunity
for us as Bangladeshi to represent our motherland in that Festival.
I wish the best success for Bangladesh Students Association at UIC
in future.
                                       Sincerely
                                       M. N. AZAM
                                       Bangladesh Student Association
                                       at University of Illinois
                                       chicago,Illinois
                                       U.S.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: london and the mai'm
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:52:56 GMT

I just got back from pakistan via london.

Landing in london was like a dream come true, i have finally landed in 

the capiol of the british empire it is like going to pilgrimage. An 
awesome expierence !!!!!!!!

So there i was roaming the streets of london, fully aware that all the english
eyes were on me. Is he an indian or a paki. The english are in total awe 
of paki's ( aftere winning the world cup) to such an extent that some poor
indians are impersonating as paki's. 

I felt sorry for them and offered them paki citizen ship .........

But one thing for sure the english women are the UGLIEST women i have  seen.
Ugly no looks, a white pale skin ...... no wonder they were such good
sailors. Who wouldn't be ?????????

sahibzada rafay khan[looking for a blonde but not an english women UGH!]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh