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From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: Sumo predictions
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
	<WPM.92Jul24075317@exile.is.morgan.com>
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 09:45:06 GMT

In article <WPM.92Jul24075317@exile.is.morgan.com> wpm@is.morgan.com (W. Phillip Moore) writes:

   Moi> The most talented wrestler in the years to come... Kotonoshiki

   Ha!! You've got to be kidding.  Too inconsistent, with a grand tendency to
   choke big time.  I do think he has a chance to get as high as Ozeki, *if*
   he can be consistent.  

I didn't say he would climb high; indeed, I doubt he will ever make an ozeki. 
But he's good... You noticed how he beat both of the ozeki's, and 
Akinoshima this basho? In most of the rest of the basho, he was simply
halting on one leg. Doesn't look that foot will ever heal.

   Moi> The next non-foreign ozeki.... Akinoshima

   Agreed.  Maybe after the next basho if he can pull in 11 or 12 wins.  

He needs a yusho, and then some, but it should be getting there.

   Moi> Old-timer yusho mid next year... Kirishima

   Maybe sooner -- Kirishima may set a record for Jun-yusho (2nd place) basho.
   I think he only has one or maybe two years left at the most, so he better
   hurry.

Chiyo lasted until 36; Kirishima is of a similar build, although he
tends to rely more on pure strength. Two more years, I think.

   Moi> The next Chiyonofuji...  Musashimaru

   No way -- Musashimaru is strong, but he has a *long* way to go before he
   ever comes close to Chiyonofuji.  Musashimaru, like Okebono, wins matches
   because of his superior strength, not always because of superior technique.
   Both rikishi suffer from this, Akebono more so.

Musashimaru has a long way to go, true, but it's not true that he
never wins due to superior technique. The majority of his wins this
time were after belt-grabbing (while Akebono still relies almost
exlusively on pushing).
  Remember also that Chiyo didn't become a really great yokozuna until
late; Musashimaru is still 21...

Anyway, for the next couple of basho we'll continue to have a large
pool of wrestlers that have a good shot at a yusho:
  Konishiki-Akebono-Musashimaru
  Taka-Waka
  Kirishima-Kotonishiki-Akinoshima
  Mitoizumi, and even Kyokudozan...

All bets are off, I'd say.

Magnus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese language bible
From: <NU169273@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 17:27:09 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

I think your out of line Kerry.  You got something against God?

K. Paulson
1109 16th Street North #1
Fargo, ND  58102
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: nibber@nevada.edu (KEIKO SHIMMYO)
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:19:00 GMT

In article <2119@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>nibber@nevada.edu (KEIKO SHIMMYO) writes:
>
>[* lots of stuff by others about U.S. citizenship omitted *]
>
>>Do you know that there is a bill (or already a law, I am not sure which)
>>that US govt will not let you get away from your liability as a US citizen
>>even after you renounce your citizenship.  For as long as ten years, they
>>want to keep an arm on you.
>
>What kind of liability do you mean? Like taxes and stuff like that?
>
>Dave
>
Yes.  I read it in a tax-related magazine.  There might be some more
implication to it.

Kay
nibber@nevada.edu
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Automatic U.S. citizenship (was non-natives in Japan)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:42:38 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

connors@drutx.ATT.COM (ConnorsPA) writes:

>[Dave McLane]
>> Maybe this has changed by the Supreme Court. But some years ago I
>> was told that if I (who was born in the U.S. of U.S.  parents) took
>> a passport from another country I would lose my U.S. citizenship. 

>It depends.
>
>If you took a passport from Britain, say, or another European
>country, as recognition of your citizenship in that country, and
>provided the other country did not require you to renounce
>US citizenship, then it is very, very unlikely that the US would
>do anything. I do not know what would happen if you took Japanese
>citizenship, but I would also suspect nothing would happen
>*at the US end* -- but I do not know what view the Japanese would take.
>From what you say, it looks like maybe the Japanese force you to choose.

The country in question at the time (+1972) was Canada. But that
was a long time ago and things may well have changed (funny, but
20 years ago seems like yesterday :-)

>But if you took an Iraqi or Libyan citizenship, watch for sparks to fly!

I would imagine...

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: mura@ecst.csuchico.edu (Alan Tam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: sumo wrestlers
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:05:12 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico


Here is the ten most memorable sumo wrestlers to me
I hope that some of you can share my choices.


1.  Washuyama   -  used to be the smallest. good at triping huge wrestlers.
		   He always defeted Takamiyame who was the biggest at
		   the time.

2. Kirinzi vs Fuzizakura
		-  both rely on "Tupari"( hiting away ). So, when they
		   fight with each other, it seemed like a fight on the
		   street.

3. Tochiakagi   -  He went up to "Sekiwake"( the third highest rand ).
		   He had strong lower body and wonderful techniques
		   around the edge of ring.  His sumo was called "Circus
		   Sumo".

4. Asahikuni    -  He had so many sumo techniques.  He was not strong.
		   He was called "sumo computer".
5. Masurao	-  He recently quit.  He looked arrogant but was very exciting.
6. Takanosato   -  He is not a big guy but he was strong, competing with
		   Chiyonofugi.  At a time, they were so outstanding that
		   they did not lose any match until they meet each other
 	           in final day of championship. 
7. Kurama       -  He has a record of the longest stay in "makuuchi"( major
		   league of sumo ).  He had fought until his late thirty
		   , I guess.
8. Futahaguro   -  another name is Kitao.  He was the tallest guy.  He is
 		   the only "Yokozuna"( highest rank) who never won 
	  	   championship.
9. Kotokaze     -  He soly depends on pushing.  His offence was very simple.
		   He just push, push, push...
10. Wazima      -  He was a rival of Kitanoumi( one of the strongest wrestler
	           ever ).  His golden belt suited him very well.
		   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kerry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Todyruik Kerry D)
Subject: Re: Japanese Bible RE:
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:43:56 GMT



>Many of my Japanese frineds have taken me a Buddhist Temple and Shito Shrine--w\
>hat is the big deal of exposing them to the Bible, as long as it is not forced \
>down their throat.



I think you are missing the point.  Buddhist Temples and Shinto Shrines
are completely irrelivant here.  I have been to them also when I was
on a Japanese exchange program.  Temples and shrines in Japan are also
historical buildings and beautiful places to go see.  Budhist or Shinto
doctrine was never exposed to me unless I asked about it or showed some
curiosity.

Volunteering your bible is a completely different case, here.  This, 
I believe is inappropriate with any guests and especially in an 
international exchange.  Hypothetically, Would you give your muslim 
dinner guests a christian bible?  I doubt it!  What do you think this 
would imply?  Do you think this would be imposing your viewpoints on
them?  Definately!

It would be entirely different if an exchange student were genuinely
interested in your religion and brought it up themselves.  In this
case, however, The host family doesn't even know if the student is
interested since the student hasn't even arrived yet!  Giving the student
a bible would be very inappropriate.

I may be a little bit stubborn here because I have seen a great deal
of intolerance and self centeredness in religion.  Especially in people
with strong religious ideals.  I will make that point that an 
international exchange is also about learning about new ideas and new
cultures.  If religion is approached carefully so that the line
between sharing and imposing is not crossed, then I think it could
be a beneficial experience.

I still think, however, that it is extremely presumptuous
to expect them to want to know about your religion.  Even if they were
interested, they wouldn't need all the detail in the bible.  Furthermore,
if they wished, they could easily find a Japanese copy of the bible in Japan! 
They certainly do not need you to "expose" them to it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: white@ils.nwu.edu (John C. White)
Subject: Re: Homebrewing in Japan
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:16:29 GMT

In article <288207@mordor.com> root@mordor.com (Chris Mauritz - SysGod) 
writes:
> Is it legal???  The consensus at work among the older Japanese
> is that homebrewing is probably illegal in Japan.  However, I 
> thought I'd seek a little net.wisdom on the subject.  Having
> been an avid homebrewer since I was in college, I would hate
> to give it up while staying in Japan.
> 
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.

I homeBrew but I want to expand to sake brewing. Anybody have info or 
recipes?
Thanks!

-- John
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Japanese exprisoners of war
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:16:17 GMT

In article <604@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp> nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki) writes:
>In article <AAO1dPgSg5@ibc2.irkutsk.su> loa@ibc2.irkutsk.su writes:
>I strongly recommend you and "ARCOM" to abandon the project.
>
>Why most Japanese dislike the Soviet Union, or Russia ? 
>Of course, there is the problem of the four north islands. But the 
>greatest reason will be in that SU attacked Japan violating the Peace 
>Treaty between Japan and SU, after the defeat of Japan became definite. 
>Moreover, SU employed surrendered Japanese soldiers as slaves in Siberia. 
>Many soldiers died in the hard labor. You are just planning to earn money
>utilizing the sad event.

It should be pointed out that in the late 1930's (I believe it was 1937) the
Japanese Imperial Army attacked Soviet positions along the Russo/Manchurian
border. This resulted in some catastrophic loses fro the Japanese. So, it
was the Japanese who attacked Russia, though the USSR tooka very long time
in retaliating.

BTW, if treament of prisoners is a legitimate reason to dislike a country, then
you no doubt have no objection to China, Korea, The Phillipines, the US,
Australia, Vietnam, Burma, Hong Kong, etc, disliking the Japanese. Their
treatment of prisoners was as bad as, or worse than, anything the Russians
did.

Mike
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From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Reasons for rise in violent crimes? (Re: policewomen may now carry guns)
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:36:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.153457.1665@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
Fester) writes:

|> Standard issue for Tokyo police is a .38 caliber revolver. I've seen them.
|> Same weapon as the US police used to carry as standard equipment.
|> 
|> Mike

I don't mean to nit pick, but what is the "US police".  It seems to me
that every police force in the US chooses it's own weapons.  I have a
good friend who works for the NYC housing police.  He tells me that the
housing and regular (surface) police use a different pistol than the
transit police.  He has a revolver, the transit police have a semi-
automatic.

Also, NYC police are allowed to carry a "backup gun" with them --
supposedly of the same type as there standard issue.  However, he
tells me that some of the officers carry a semi-automatic as there
backup instead.
From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Olympic judo results
Keywords: Men & Women Heavyweight
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


JUDO - Women's Heavyweight Finals
=================================
 

FINAL:
------
ZHUANG, Xiayong			CHN	Gold
 	defeated
VILLANUEVA, Estela Rodruigues	CUB	Silver
	by ippon (hold).


SEMI-FINALS:
------------
VILLANUEVA, Estela Rodruigues	CUB
	defeated
LUPINO, Natalia			FRA
	by yuko (throw).

ZHUANG, Xiayong			CHN
	defeated
SAKAUE, Yoko			JPN
	by ippon (hold).



JUDO - Men's Heavyweight FINALS
===============================
 

FINAL:
------
KHAKHALEICHHVILI, David		EUN	Gold
	defeated
OGAWA, Naoya			JPN	Silver
	by waza-ari-awasete-ippon (throw).


SEMI-FINALS:
------------
KHAKHALEICHVILI, David		EUN
	defeated
CSOSZ, Imre			HUN
	by waza-ari (throw).

OGAWA, Naoya			JPN
	defeated
DOUILLET, David			FRA
	by waza-ari-awasete-ippon (throw).

 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: asano@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ASANO Yoshiteru)
Subject: Re: Culture and Religion (was Re: Japanese Bible
Keywords: Bible, Japanese, Religion, Culture
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:20:25 GMT


About those 'host families' faithful to their religion:
I had a friend whose host family is so faithful to X'ty that she was forced to
go to church every Sunday and was told how good X'tians should behave.  She
certainly hated that kind of 'pushy' acts of the family and always complained
about it.  Of course that depends on a person but Japanese in general are
living without any religion and (IMHO) religion is for those who 'get lost',
who had some trouble and searched for a way to resolve it.  (You can flame
on this, I just feel like that.)  So, a proverb says "kurushii toki no 
kami danomi" (turning to religion in times of distress).  Petitioning for
this-worldly profit, e.g. good business, passing exams, having a traffic
safety and whatever you name it, seems to be one of the basic motivation to
pray.  Happy Japanese generally don't have any religion...
   Of course, I have many X'tian and Budhist friends who are 'family tradition'.
      yoshi
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: 50 YEARS AGO: July 22, 1942 - Assault on Port Moresby
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:56:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

The Japanese advance in New Guinea, begun on March 7, had been stalled with
the stalemate at the Battle of the Coral Sea two months later.  Now, in the
wake of the great naval defeat in the Battle of Midway, the scene shifted to a
land war.

On July 22, Japanese landed at Gona and Buna in New Guinea for an overland
assault on Port Moresby, the capitol.  Within 2 months, the Japanese advance
was halted, but it was another 3 months of hellish jungle warfare after than
before Gona and Buna were retaken by the Australians.

New Guinea was an important military objective.  Control of this huge island
would threaten Australia and dominate the entire region.  Much of New Guinea
was (and remains today) wild jungle, inhabited by aborigines who were not long
out of the Stone Age.  Unlike the Philippines, Japanese propaganda of a
`Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere' meant little in New Guinea.

Many Japanese soldiers dispersed into the jungle as guerilla fighters.  Over
the next 50 years these soldiers would be found as old men, ignorant of the
fact that the war was over or of the great changes that had taken place in
Japan and the world since that time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Scott Smith)
Subject: PENPAL WANTED URGENTLY
Organization: External Studies, Murdoch University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 08:39:49 GMT

******PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO MY MAIL ADDRESS!*****

A friend of mine, William Renner is really interested in Japan.  He was
complaining five minutes ago that his email box is constantly empty.  If
you can relate to this, and would like to make contact with an Australian
Guy who is interested in the Japanese Culture, please send an introductory
email message, subject line PENPAL!  to

renner@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au

Many, many thanks in advance.

Scott
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Zen Story (6)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:54:11 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <6794@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>Actually, I enjoy the Zen stories too. But when one story has the Zen
>Master chowing down on Sweet & Sour Pork, all bets are off. I do
>believe the Zen sects in Japan are exclusively vegetarian. Perhaps
>the Zen Stories shouldn't be taken as anything more serious than 
>light entertainment. Profound insight into Zen thought, they are not.

Entertaining, they are.  If we are to take Zen at its word, no story
offers "profound insight into Zen thought," since words and reason alone
are incapable of showing the way to Enlightenment.  And this is the
attraction of Zen for me, since there is much in human experience that is
beyond language and intellect, and much else for which language and
intellect are often needlessly interposed.  Zen stories are reminders of
this.  As such, they are more than entertainment.  But to some extent
one already has to be familiar with this subtext--and so these stories
are sometimes used as "inside jokes," in a way that has nothing to do
with Zen.

>If you take it so seriously, then I apologize for any offense,
>but I didn't learn anything more than I learned from re-runs
>of "Kung Fu", which can also be entertaining.

Well, "Kung Fu" (a 70's TV show) had writers who read the same stories.
They used their own "inside joke" interpretation of them, and bent
them to fit into the plot.  They are, of course, only words--a finger
pointing to the moon, and not to be mistaken for the moon itself.
Although I might get irate when someone makes them point elsewhere,
Zen probably does not.

>Personally, I am a Judaic Unitarian Dharmic Episcopalian Di-Agnostic
>(skepticism in half a God) Reformed Scientific Buddhist Druid New-Age
>Roman Catholic Naturist. I also resent it when people parody my deeply
>held religious beliefs.... which happens rather often, or not at all.
>It's hard to know which.

I don't think Zen can be considered a belief system as much as a way of
perceiving.  This accounts for some of its "strangeness".  Most of us are
used to judging a religion (a term which only vaguely applies to Zen) in
terms of its scriptures.  Zen cannot be characterized thus, nor are the
strictures of Zen monastic life (vegetarianism, celibacy, poverty) to be
considered anything more than aids to Enlightenment. "Sweet & Sour
Pork"--or a visit to the brothel, as another example--aren't necessarily
out of place in a Zen story.

Of course, none of this can be taken to be an "official" representation
of Zen.  I'm strictly a dilettante.  However, it was Zen which drew
me into an interest in Japanese culture in general, and it bothers me
when it is misrepresented (though I have no doubt done that myself in
this posting).

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Organization: Sophomore, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:41:22 -0400 
From: "Douglas S. Brashear" <db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MANGAJIN

well, upon the advice of all you netters out there, I located and
purchased my first copy of MANGAJIN at a local place.
WOW- its exactly what I was looking for- it is great for anyone trying
to polish up their language skills!
Its great for learning the culture!
"I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me- it was much better than CATS
I'll buy it again and again!"
but seriously, I would suggest it for anyone out there who's interested
in Japanese language and culture!
I'm not sure of the address for subscriptions (i dont have my copy right here!)
Just thought I'd say that!
Douglas Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: nibber@nevada.edu (KEIKO SHIMMYO)
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:49:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.193946.5371@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>
>>The way I sort it out for myself is to think that while people born
>>or naturalized in the United States are considered citizens, they
>>may lose this depending on certain cicumstances.
>
>A difference: a person who receives US citizenship by being born here cannot
>(I belive) lose that citizenship, save by actively (ie, renouncing) or
>passively (selecting another citizenship at the age of choice) changing
>nationalities him/herself.
>
>
>Mike
>-- 

My understanding is that you can lose US citizenship, if you wish. 
You have to go to US consular general's office to renounce your citizenship.

Kay
nibber@nevada.edu
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: policewomen may now carry guns
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:07:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <ni6h6bg@fido.asd.sgi.com> danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom) writes:
>
>Charles, have you ever *shot* a handgun?  Except for the monster calibers,
>perceived kick is more a function of the *noise* the pistol makes than
>the actual kick. Yes, weight is a factor, but the standard-issue pistol
>was a " 9mm ", wasn't it?  My wife, 45 kg and not terribly muscular, can handle
	======
	
	If you are talking about the standard-issued pistol for Japanese police
	forces, it is New Nambu M60, which is a five-round .38 spl. revolver.
	
	Just for reference.

	Tetsuya Nishimura
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:54:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 84 men and 68 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Explanation
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Jul21.161745.19085@acuson.com>, miklg@acuson.com 
(Michael Goldman ) writes:
=> 
=> 	Have you ever wondered why it is that after you've carefully explained
=> 	to someone (and the world) at _great_ length why he is completely wrong
=> 	and would be well-advised to be guided by _you_, you never get the
expected:
=> 		"You are right - I was wrong - Thanks for pointing out my error?"

......... Explanation omitted

=> 	This explains a lot.

Thanks Mike. You are, of course, ALWAYS right, but your explanations are
about as clear as Zen Story (6).... or maybe Zen Story (4).... no! Make
that (3). Or is that the Army interfering again?

I guess we'll never know the truth :-)

- Bill