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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:49:10 CST

We have been unable to contact machine 'clout' since you queued your job.

mail clout!ctg@hegemony.chi.il.us    (Date 01/09)
Attempts will continue for a few more days.

Sincerely,
oddjob!uucp

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Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
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>
>
>First of all, an introduction.  I am Jim Kanya and I am the Vice Chairman
>of the System Operations SIG for IGUG (formerly the Unix SIG).
>
>In article <C0JM72.op@nik.b30.ingr.com>, nik@nik.b30.ingr.com (Nik Simpson) writes:
>> 	I believe the reason we do not offer an ftp site for Intergraph
>> customers are:
>
>We have had many discussions about this in the past and Intergraph has
>refused to be the FTP site.  Their reasons were stated by Nik and I
>tend to agree with the reasons.  We thought we found a customer willing to
>be an FTP site at last spring's IGUG, but it never panned out.
>
I think too much is being made of this. A firewalled anon ftp site is
pretty trivial to set up. You might ask why I dont volunteer then ?
Two reasons
1- I think this is something that ingr should provide. It is a selling point
for them.

2- I am on a dialup access to the Internet :( :(

The reason that not many people will use it seems a trifle lame. With all
government,DOT's, defense contractors that Intergraph sells to on the internet
"If you build it they will come". How many customers even know there is
an alt.sys.intergraph ? Also many commercial sites I know of dont even carry
alt news groups. BTW is this alt newsgroup freely available at ingr ?

Selling PD CD's doesn't hack it at all. Turn arounds in getting patches, bug
fixes, new versions, exchanging trivial software all get interminably dragged
out, as well as is being a more expensive option.

IMHO these are the very things Intergraph should be doing to have a higher
visibility in the business.

Bhupinder "grep comp.sys | wc -l => 131" Singh
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