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From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Idiot Book for Watercooled VWs
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:56:02 GMT

I hate to inform you folks, but the Rabbit/Waterc/Ed}!Fpolcooled version
of the "Idiot" book is no longer in print! I checked two years
ago, and called John Muir publishing last January. At that
time they had no others in stock, were not planning on
publishing an updated version, etc.

I managed to track down copies at Recycled VWs (313) 373-2300. They
had some waterdamaged ones left for 25% off. I bought two, considering
the condition of my original one, and that there were no more to
be had elsewhere. I'm not sure if they have any more.

Ric Golen
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Splitting this Group
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:38:19 GMT

dali@stein.u.washington.edu (David A. Lee) writes:
> As an owner of a 1970 Squareback, I could really care less about
> some of the issues posted by owners of GTi's who are all obsessed
> with the chip in their computer or how fast they went around some corner.

I don't read all the air-cooled articles, either.  But that doesn't mean
I think they should have to be in a separate group.

> Air cooled owners are [...] enthusiasts, fanatics some may say.

And water-cooled owners aren't?  I have news for you...

> A Rabbit, Dasher (???), or Jetta is just another car on the road
> to us.  Sure, they are good cars, who would argue with that?  But
> there is a different philosophy that we air cooled drivers live by
> from the water cooled drivers.

Actually, I believe that Dr. Porsche's philosophy still pervades the
current Volkswagens.  Not to mention that his grandson, Ferdinand Piech,
is now the CEO of Volkswagen (after running Audi and working at Porsche).
Maybe *you* feel differently, but I love all Volkswagens, be they air-
or water-cooled.

I own or have owned: '70 Beetle, '71 Fastback, '72 Super Beetle, '74
    VW-Porsche 914, '86 GTI, '87 Golf, '89 Jetta and '90 GTI 16V.
My brother has or has owned: '69 Beetle, '73 Camper, '80 GTI, '91 Jetta
    and '91 Corrado.
My parents have owned numerous Beetles, Fastbacks, Notchbacks, 411s, 412s,
    K70s, Passats, Rabbits, Jettas, Golfs and Audis.

And you don't think it's possible to enjoy *all* Volkswagens?

> And so I must strongly call for votes on this.

There is an RFD upcoming, probably by Monday.  Be patient.

> But I am getting tired of reading
> through 33 articles a day, and only seeing two or three that pertain
> to air cooled VWs.

Our system had 934 articles from the past 30 days (I expire this group VERY
slowly!).  Of those 934 Subject: lines, I was able to identify only 422 as
water-cooled specific.  I identified about 225 as air-cooled specific, and
the remaining 480 articles were either general ("To split or not to split",
"VW day in Perth") or I couldn't tell from the Subject: line ("CV joints",
"Warming up").  That's an average of at least 25% ait-cooled-specific
articles!

Maybe a better newsreader would help you select only the articles you wish
to read?  trn, vn and nn all work well...

[Finally getting the VW-Porsche 914 2.0L on the road for the summer...]

[ \tom haapanen  |  "only auto racing, bullfighting and mountain climbing are ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca |   sports -- all others are only games" -- ernest hemingway ]
[ waterloo engineering software |     "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (Joshua C. LaGrange)
Subject: Re: oval window bugs
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:47:39 GMT

greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:

>> In article <cm9FVB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>>>The 1953 was the first oval rear window model, as 1952 was the last split 
>>>window. in addition, 1953 was the last year VW used a separate starter 
>>>button.

>Gosh, now that I've been away from old VWs for a few months, my mind is
>starting to go... :-( The oval window came in mid year, or actually a
>quarter or three quarters in, so that either some 52s were ovals, or some
>53s were splits. I used to be really up on this stuff, but its all starting
>to get fuzzier now.. :-(

Yea, like I said before.  I think ovals started in March of 53 and they held 
the dash board over from the splits for a couple of months.  If anybody really
wants the chasis numbers, email me and I'll try to locate them.
-Josh




-- 
Josh LaGrange                  *                    
lagrangj@unvax.union.edu       *           (cute stuff deleted  
Phone: (518) 370-6908          *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: blaine@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Greyland Blaine Mull)
Subject: HELP, 88 Jetta Gl dies suddenly
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:48:32 GMT

hello, fellow VW owners:

	My 88 jetta just turned 61k miles and  problem has developed
that I have not experienced before.  A few minutes after starting
(10-15), when I turned the steering wheel sharply and gas the car (as in
a parking lot, or at an intersection) the engine totally dies - almost
like flooding out or something.  After this is usualy wont crank again
for a couple of minutes - very embarrassing when you are on a date ^_^
The engine turns over fine and the starter sounds fine.
	Let me also say that it just started since the weather has begun
to get cold - is it something with the weather?  The car had a regular
service just two months ago - like this makes any difference.

	Thank you net wisdom, in advance, for your help...

-grey

 Grey Mull	       +Disclamer:  I didn't say it,-+  Macintosh
 blaine@catt.ncsu.edu  |   You didn't see me say it, |       to
 gbmull@eos.ncsu.edu   +---You can't prove anything!-+      NeXT...
NC State CATT Program				Steve Jobs continues...
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: stephens@cat53.cs.wisc.edu (Philip Stephenson)
Subject: Re: [A] Bus heating
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.174810.2834@brtph560.bnr.ca> mdailey@bnr.ca (Matthew N. Dailey) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>There's been a lot of talk about heat these days, and
>my 77 bus (no gas heater) is only getting colder.
>Does the stock heat in the bus work well for anyone?
>Would working on my heat exchangers/boxes/ducts improve
>the heat or is it hopeless?  Could a salvaged Southwind
>heater be easily adapted to an unequipped bus?
>
>-- 
>
>Matt Dailey
>
I would also like any input on this subject, as I too have a 77 bus (mine's a camper).  I have had luck in replacing the rusted out heater boxes and the warm air fan, but still there is not much air flow!! Although my bus has a gas heater, I don't feel its effect very much because of the low flow rate.  Any suggestions?

Regards,
Phil
From: mferdows@aludra.usc.edu (Mehrzad Ferdows)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: VW problem fixed.. thanx
Date: 12 Dec 1992 18:11:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


	thanx to all who responded about the buzzing noise..
My car was VERY low on fuel, and as soon as I put gas in the car, the
buzzing noise stopped (maybe its a gas warning buzz since VW doesnt put
warning light in their cars [all?]).


	another wierd thing that happened... I bought my car about 2 months
ago, and it has 3000 miles on it.. today I check the oil, and the reading
on the dip switch was completely DRY!! is that possible? well, I quickly
went and bought some oil and poured some in... (is 20w50 ok?).


Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: How to stop oil in air filter (WAS K&N air filter - Quicky question)
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:44:08 GMT

In article <Bz3rIH.83p@cs.dal.ca> gajewski@napier.cs.dal.ca (Andy) writes:
>Your response has been saved in ~/dead.letter
>
>Your article/letter follows:
>Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
>Subject:How to stop oil in air filter (WAS K&N air filter - Quicky question)

>Putting somekind of collecting beaker on the hose so that the
>oil collects there and not in the air filter. A diagram best 
>describes it:
>
>	---------------------------------------
>to air filter		the hose		from valve cover
>	-----------------	--------------
>			|	|
>			|beaker	|
>			|	|
>			--------

If the oil is getting past the splash guard, it is in the form of a
mist.  That probably won't go into the beaker w/o some help.  If you
could make a centrifugal separator, you have a chance.  Just make the
air flow take a circular path in the beaker and have the exit to the
air cleaner go upwards from the center.  Its sort of the reverse of a
turbo, the air enters tangentially at the rim of a circle and exits at
the center.  If you're really cute you can find some way of getting
the oil back into the crankcase (but maybe this oil is too
contaminated to reuse?)

I wouldn't put a lot of time into this as I don't think it will work
(i.e. separate oil from air) that well.  I think it is a temporary
solution if at all.

-andy

Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: The PROBLEM with VW today...
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:26:50 GMT

In <88842@bcsaic.boeing.com>
   rhorwell@crab.etwork-a (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab) writes:

>In article 1g6refINN5ji@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu,
>   aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>no..i'll tell you what REALLY eats me up, is that i got hooked on VW's by
>>the old  aircooleds, and i used to sit around as a kid and read Hot VW's and
>>VW trends.  Now, i have to read European car(too many Citroens/other shit!)

>Careful!  There can never be "too many Citroens"!
Citroens seem mostly OK now. Now that you no longer have to
look in the glove compartment to see how fast you're going.  :-)

>I am also quite disgusted by 'European Car' magazine.  I looked through it a
>couple of times - saw the token article on the Citroen XM (completely lacking 
>technical content) buried between VW/AUDI articles & advertisements, and wondered
>why this magazine isn't called "German Car" or somesuch.  

And how the heck did they get an Australian Orbital Engine
article in there? Not that I'm bitching; nice to see what's
on the horizon for Ford, Jaguar, Opel, VW, etc.

>The title is very misleading - this magazine appears to be dedicated to 
>irritating those of us who like multiple European marques while simultaneously
>irritating those of you who want to read about VWs only! 

>Roland (A European Car Fanatic)
>	  ^^^^^^^^

The latest issue to arrive here, presumably by express
bottle, had feature articles on a BMW 2002 with a 6 squeezed
in, a Mercedes gull-wing, a Volvo 850, the Lotus marque, the
Orbital Engine, a sound system in a Passat, a tale of high
performance Scirocco and Jetta, fixing hinged on a 914
Porsche, custom electronic ignition (on a Porsche in this
case), the first in the series of project 924, as well as
other tid-bits. Not a Citroen in sight! [ I'm using my
memory here ... apologies if I missed your favourite. ]

Definitely doesn't qualify as a VW/Audi magazine by those
standards. Still, nicely rounded for a European Car mag. EC
costs a lot here so I read it cover-to-cover to get my
money's worth. I even read about the Volvo 850. Looks like a
nice 5-cylinder to engine drop in your Audi or VW :-)

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From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: ONE GROUP
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:17:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BzGny1.Dry@cs.uiuc.edu>, ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:
>ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee) writes:
>
>>>Not many words required, I favor keeping this one group.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>                          Dave Schrader
>>>                          schrader@eai.iastate.edu
>
>
>>Ditto.
>
>>T.A. Ghee
>
>I'll throw in my Ditto, too.
>
>
>
>--
Ditto   too
gpn   lehigh university>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chris T. Ward  DoD#0710   "Don't take life too seriously, you can never come
>                           out of it alive."  -?
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
>
From: crpaul@sony1.sdrc.com (Paul Scheidler)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Test please ignore
Keywords: Test
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:30:43 GMT
Distribution: na

Test please ignore

Thanks,
Paul.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: puddle problems
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:04:25 GMT

In <BzD5y4.K3z@ncifcrf.gov> taylorb@ncifcrf.gov (Brent Taylor) writes:

>I just took my GLI in for this famous shield, and they siad it would be $35!!
>I said that I thought this was a no cost item because VW screwed up..... he
>said "nope, I don't know where you heard this, but it's $35"!
>So now I'm not sure what to do....... I might just buy the shield and put it
>on myself!

If it's an authorised workshop, then contact your country's
distributor of the cars.

Ask them if they want to have the car become known as being
unfit for normal use if they say it's a charge item!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: cs911390@ariel.yorku.ca (MARCO S MARINI)
Subject: Info on Rabbit GTI's
Originator: cs911390@a07.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:58:23 GMT


I recently posted a note asking for some feedback on GTI's ... since I didn't
get any response, I'll try rephrasing the question making it more specific:

I have decided to buy a Rabbit GTI ('83 - '84) ... are there any specific
problems with this model or anything in particular I should be looking out
for when I am looking at a potential purchase ??

Thanks in advance ...


Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: [A] Bus heating
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:25:06

In article <FOO> mdailey@bnr.ca (Matthew N. Dailey) writes:
   There's been a lot of talk about heat these days, and
   my 77 bus (no gas heater) is only getting colder.
   Does the stock heat in the bus work well for anyone?
   Would working on my heat exchangers/boxes/ducts improve
   the heat or is it hopeless?  Could a salvaged Southwind
   heater be easily adapted to an unequipped bus?

The stock exchangers always seem to rust out; that's usually the problem.
If you replace or repair 'em, the heat should work just fine.  
(my family has, at different times, owned a '77, a '74, and a '73 bus,
and this has always been the case.)

Of course, bus heat always seems to smell like engine oil.  'Twouldn't
seem right if it didn't...

The problem is that the heat exchangers are integral with the exhaust
manifold and cost big money.  I seem to remember $350 or so for a
German set for a bug.  YMMV for the bus; but I bet there're Brazilian
ones available for cheaper.  Of course, there aren't any used ones,
because they always seem to rust out :-)

A pal of mine stuck an external oil cooler on his fuel-injected bus
and, while he was at it, bought some cheesey used H20 heater core from
a Chevy <mumble>.  After washing it out with methanol to clean out any
water residue, he stuck it in the oil system in series with the
original cooler and the external one, and rerouted his heat through
it.  Worked pretty well, I guess -- last I heard, he was happily
driving around Boston with it.

I think his final oil volume was something like seven quarts!

--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: mag@willow..nic.kingston.ibm.com (Michael Gray)
Subject: FOR SALE:  1989 Jetta GLI Wolfsburg Edition
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:36:00 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY



For Sale
1989 Volkswagon Jetta GLI 
Wolfsburg Edition

Color: Helios Blue Metalic Clearcoat.
Milage: 73,000
Equipment includes:
	Standard:
		o 1.8L 16-Valve Engine
		o ABS
		o Cruise Control
		o Power Windows, Door locks, Heated Mirrors
		o Recaro Seats
		o Leather-wrapped steering wheel
	Additions:
		o Neuspeed Stress Bar
		o Neuspeed "Softsport" Springs
		o Neuspeed Valved Bilstien Shocks/Struts.
		o AutoTech Front and Read Anti-Sway bars
		o Neuspeed Oil Cooler with Earl's Braided Stainless Steel Lines.
		o Neuspeed Cast Alloy Oil pan
		o Neuspeed Braided Stainless Steel Brake lines
		o Neuspeed Plug Wires
		o European 4-Headlight Grill with New Hella "Free-Form" Lighting
		o Alpine CD Player with Nakamichi Amplifier, 2 ADS 300i Front Speakers 
			and 2 ADS 400i Rears
		o (5) 15x7 Momo "Star" Wheels with 195/50-15 Dunlop D40-M2 Tires.
		o (4) 14x6 Steel Wheels with 175/65-14 Nokia Hakkepalitta Snow Tires

Price: $9500.00
Telephone: (914) 395-1268 Days, (914) 658-8876 Evenings.
From: jan@lipari.usc.edu (Jan Vandenbrande)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Question
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:16:37 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu

In article <BzBDF2.771@umassd.edu> rgolen@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>I have an oil/water intercooler from an 86 GTI on my 83 Rabbit

Intercooler usually refers to a radiator to cool compressed air
(like from a turbo or G60).


-- 
Jan Vandenbrande

jan@lipari.usc.edu	("School")
jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com	("Real work")
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Any good books?
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.213911.1095@u.washington.edu>, calypso@stein.u.washington.edu (Kent Shih) writes:
>
>     Hi folks,
>
>     I have a 16V Scirocco, and I am looking for some good books on how to
>     repair and do maintenance...
>
>     Right now I have the book by Bently.. Since I've never held a wrench
>     before, are there any good books for "idiots" like me?  :)  I know
>     there's something like that for car-cooled cars.... I was wondering
>     if there's anything for the water-cooled cars.
>
>     Thanks.
>
>               -kent
Unfortunately the "Idiot" book is no longer being published, and is aparently
unavailable - eventhough your 16v wouldnt be covered, there is still enougn
material in the book to help you through lots of repairs on any watercooled
vw.

You might get your hands on a Haynes manual (printed in the UK). They
claim they write their manual on a complete strip-down and rebuild
of a car.

You can never have TOO many manuals!

Ric Golen


Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: BARANSKI@veamf1.nusc.navy.mil (Jim Baranski)
Subject: Re: [A] Opinions on 72 Bug Fate, please
Organization: Naval Underwater Sound Center, New London CT
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:22:01 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

More Questions:

MY brake and clutch Pedal flop forward when I'm not stepping on them.  What's
the problem, and some possible solutions?  I was told that there is a stop on
the pedals which is supposed to keep them from flopping forward, but that the
floor under the stop is rusted out.

Is this true?  Can anyone be more specific where this is? in front or behind
the pedals?  Can I get to the right place to patch the hole untill I can
replace the floor pans?


My wipers just stopped working in time for this weekend's big snow storm.  Can
anyone tell me what wires in the wiring harness are what so that I can figure
out if it's the switch or the motor, or wiring or what?

The heater/defrost vents for the windshield lead from the end of the heater
channels in the side of the floor through three small hoses to three vents in
under the windshield.  Has anyone ever considered if one large hose would work
better then three small hoses, or tried this?  The one large hose would run
along the top of the dashboard behind the dash board, either to all three
vents, or just to the main vents.  What do you think?

Jim Baranski

Jim Baranski
From: bikdoc@bu.edu (Sanford Whitehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
Subject: Sugestions needed to give a '92 some spirit
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:32:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


	I recently got my '92 jetta GL and would like to do some mods
to give the boy a little more spirit.  
	Should I look into sway bars or what??

	and by the way is a '92 GL an A2?

Thanks..

Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw
From: rp@cns.nyu.edu (Robert Picardi)
Subject: Re: Running Engine for VW Rabbit Needed
Reply-To: rp@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:19:17 GMT

In article lif431INN7lf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller) writes:
> My son's '78 Rabbit engine overheated and froze. He doesn't have
> the $ to get a new/rebuilt engine, so I'm posting this to see if
> someone has an extra engine that was running when removed from
> the car that could be bought for a fraction of the price of a re-
> built engine. A short block would be OK since he could use the 
> accessories (starter, etc.) from his current engine. Probably not 
> the water pump.  8-)
> 
> The above assumes the engine has to be replaced. Does anybody have
> any experience with this kind of a situation where the engine was
> saved? Recommendations for mechanics in San Francisco who could do
> the engine swap, or save the current engine?
> 
> Some friends had the same thing happen with their older Rabbit. Is
> this a common problem for those cars, and what is the cause?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rod Miller


early rabbits have the old type fuses.  you have to keep on top of two circuits
in particular... the fuel pump fuse (on the relay) and the fuse for the electric fan.
after a while the contact on the fuse gets grundgy and the fuse will not make a good
connection (it will heat up). because of the voltage drop at the fuse the fan will
not operate at full speed (if at all). i ran a hot lead from the battery with an 
in line fuse in it directly to the fan motor. the ground side gets switched with 
a thermal switch located on the lower drivers side of the radiator. check those
contacts and the switch. occassionally remove the fuse from fuel pump relay 
and clean the contacts. it may be wise to also inspect behind the fuse box since
early rabbits were subject to water dripping on them from the radio antenna or a 
leaky windshield gasket. hope that helps
rp (77 rabbit "ghetto cruiser" 87GLI16V)