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From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: Herbal repellants?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:42:37 GMT

A crosspost from rec.pets.cats
Just FYI and FYA
:-)

In article <1992Oct16.132330.3353@telerama.pgh.pa.us>  writes:
|feldman@flash.crd.ge.com (Sandra F Feldman) writes:
|
|: Just a note of caution: be careful when handling pennyroyal.  There was an
|: interesting article in American Scientist a few months ago that mentioned
|: pennyroyal as a possible abortificant.  (I may not have quite the right
|: spelling there.)  I don't think that there would be any problem just from 
|: handling the leaves, but you would certainly want to make sure that you  
wash
|: hands thoroughly and keep it away from food.
|
|You are right, and I should have mentioned that. Pennyroyal oil can
|cause spontaneous abortions (farmers keep it far away from their cows
|and other animals!). Handling the plant won't hurt you, as long as you
|don't eat it. Washing your hands is a good idea.
|
|Wormwood, too, which I mentioned in my post, is not recommended for
|comsumption. It was the main ingredient in absinthe, an addictive and
|hallucinogenic liquor, which is now outlawed, but was used commonly as
|a "tonic."

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S)
Subject: Re: are bowls legal?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:39:00 GMT

In article <6969@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, daw+@pitt.edu (Deborah A Wirth) writes...

>This makes me remember when I was a teenager and was repeatedly accused of doingsomething that I did not do, I went out and did it!

Same here. My 7th grade Social Studies teacher forced me into a conference with 
a councelor... They wanted to talk about my inhalent habit, of which I didn't
have. Apperently theysaw someone give me a binaca sprayer. :P

I decided it was a honest mistake (because thets what they told me). Then in 
9th grade my Health teacher wanted to chat with me about my habit of licking
tattoos. *Chuckle* She found out about my habit because I was paging through
the health textbook, and stopped at the page about cannabis (I was just
thinking how much the picture of a hippie looked like my dad). After that I
knew honest mistakes don't happen twice to the same person. Later I thanked my
health teacher for turning me on to LSD, but she said I was copping ou. As far
as I know, she still makes honest mistakes for a living.

>THE WAR ON DRUGS SUCKS!
Amen to that!
>FREE AMERICA... OR DRUG FREE AMERICA?
Is it my choice or Big Brothers?


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: X-tasy
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:54:01 GMT


 OK. I'm sorry for not making my response a gracious one. :-) I didn't
notice he was from DEC...

St. Anthony

PS: OK. I'm _really_ sorry this time...

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: scottk@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Dica Deah)
Subject: Re: Think drinks: DMAE -- what is it and what are its effects?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:25:48 GMT

In article <BvzD21.6xI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck) writes:
>rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
>
>>Last night I attended a rave where they were selling "smart drinks"
>>that contained DMAE.  Can someone tell me what this compound is?
>>Chemical structure and physiological effects would be appreciated.
>
>>Also, lately a club opened up in Salt Lake City called the Vortex --
>>they sell "think drinks" that contain L-phenylalanine, acetylcholine
>>and "guaranin"(sp? -- some kind of Amazonian plant extract).  Some of
>>the drinks also contain some portion of caffeine; they really got me
>>up and jumping on the dance floor, but I don't know wether to
>>attribute the buzz to the caffeine or the other ingredients.
>
>attribute the buzz to the caffeine. if smart drugs like DMAE work at all,
>they do only after at least a few weeks of regular use. As far as smart drugs
>and alcohol, i seem to remember hearing that smart drugs would clear your
>head up and give you less of a dopey buzz from alcohol or pot. I'm not sure
>where i heard that point, or if im remembering it correctly...so maybe I
>oughta get some smart drugs.
>-- 
>Chuck Falzone

Yeah.  DMAE "works" if 500-1000 mg are taken for several weeks.  Even if you
drank several "smart drinks"  every day you wouldn't get enough because they
have way too little DMAE.  It's just marketing. 

Several months ago I took DMAE at high levels for several weeks.  I felt like
I needed less sleep and my mind was a bit clearer.  Getting stoned was
better.  Of course, I don't really know if the DMAE actually did anything.

I stopped when I ran out and decided it was too expensive and I liked sleeping
a lot anyway and had the time.

-scott
scottk@titan.ucc.umass.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:06:41 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1aondoINN8sh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> davidc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (David Cake) writes:
>A FEW WORDS ON METHOD OF ACTION...
>
> [deleted]

That was a fantastically informative article -- perhaps it (or the
information contained in it) should be placed in the faq?

-- 
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ebail@ctp.com | (617) 374-8418                     | mine, not my employer's.
      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:06:18 GMT

mea@cbnewse.cb.att.com (mark.e.anderson) writes:

>Although all candidates responded in the typical fascist rhetoric, the
>decision to legalize drugs - or at least marijuana - will fall upon
>Congress.  Here in Illinois we have a wonderful candidate for U.S Senate
>who is far ahead in the polls and who favors some form of legalization.
>Her name is Carol Mosely Braun.  If more people like her get into
>office, things will change.

	If she is the same Carol Mosely Braun of IL that I am thinking of, 
she is a fascist who wants a day-care world where only civil servants and 
criminals have the means to defend themselves, with cake and 911 for the 
rest of us.

Truly a wonderful fascist though, if she would let us smoke marijuna.  %^)

But maybe we are thinking of different people.   I don't follow the corrupt
politics of IL anymore since I escaped that most hideous of all states*.

>Mark Anderson

Jim Del Vecchio

* hyperbole, but surely close after NJ and CA.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Re: Marijuana Myths (repost)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:49:22 GMT

In article <j1moody-151092135103@hesmac32.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.013018.13346@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
>mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) wrote:
>> 3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs
>> 
>> 	This is one of the more persistent myths.  
>
>This is a myth only where Ganja is decriminalized. As long as pot is
>illegal, it is most definitely a gate-way drug because it introduces
>one to the illegal underground. 

Yes... how many of us*, through experience, were led into harder drugs just
because of the fact that pot is illegal?  I remember the thrill I got knowing
that I was doing something illegal...


-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:43:12 GMT

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >
: >Ok - lets carry it a step further. What if these drugs were no longer
: >illegal. What if there was honest information out there about the lack
: >of effectiveness of drug testing? Do you think the companies would still
: >use the tests?
: 
:      Probably yes, although not as frequently. Polygraph tests are
: still used by some companies in states that permit them, in spite of
: their inaccuracies.

The point is not the accuracy of the tests. It is that they have nothing
to do with on-the-job performance. That is why the testing is not effective,
from a safety standpoint. Companies that do pre-employment screening only
are fooling themselves. It is rather easy to clear your system before the
test. The hardest to clear is the least hazardoud drug, marijuana. Even it
only requires about 30 days - for a heavy user.

: >Blockbuster Video, and other such places is losing a fair amount of business
: >by their testing policy. True, it is not hurting them much - not enough for
: >them to really notice. However, that could change if attitudes about drugs
: >and privacy change. Blockbuster is a "me too" organization. Because the tests
: >are required for some government contractors, Blockbuster wants to pretend
: >that they are just as important - so they impose testing also.
: 
:      Interesting hypothesis. I've also heard that the CEO of Blockbuster
: is on the board of directors of the company that does the testing. And
: they're one of the few companies that does hair tests. Coincidence? Ha!

Either the CEO, or a director, is the owner of the company which has the
"hair test" process. At least, that is what I understand.

I agree, there is no coincidence.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: rosewood seeds
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:51:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.173046.10193@nmsu.edu> dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky) writes:

   >Hawaiian rosewood seeds ALWAYS make me get sick....
   >How can you like them?

Because they NEVER make me sick.  But then, I never do more than 10,
and I crush them and put them into capsules so I can't taste them.
Besides, I never do Hawaiian Rosewood seeds, I do Hawaiian Baby
Woodrose seeds.  But not if they're illegal.
From: Chris_Walsh@mindlink.bc.ca (Chris Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: "Herbals".
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:11:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I have recently found a place out here that sells yohimbe bark... anyone had
much experience with it? If so, I would appreciate tips on consumption (the
"natural highs" FAQ claims tea is the best; I have a friend who claims
powdering it and snorting works best... was wonder which is easier and less
complex) and on the effects/side effects.

This herb store also sells something called "smoking herbal mixture". A
friend of mine picked it up (a buck or so for a half-ounce) and tried it out.
He claimed that a good-size joint produced similar effects to ganja, except
instead of feeling kind of heavy and not wanting to move, he felt like he was
constantly floating a couple inches off the floor, when he walked he couldn't
feel himself moving ("It was just like flying!") and his sense of touch
seemed to become extremely numb. I plan on picking some up this week, and if
it includes ingredients, I'd be happy to post... but has anyone heard of
anything that could be legally sold that would produce effects like this?

One more thing... I haven't seen any mention on the net or on the natural
highs FAQ about damiana, saffron or mace (the herb, that is). Damiana I find
a very potent sleeping aid, as well as making you extremely mellow and a
slight aphrodisac when brewed into a tea or smoked; saffron to just make you
VERY mellow; and when I lace a joint of one of the above with mace, I find I
get extremely mild LSD-like visual effects (some colour patterns, especially
with the eyse closed, and tracers). Does anyone else have experience with the
effects of the above three herbs?

Thanks in advance...
--
Chris F. Walsh                            (Chris_Walsh@mindlink.UUCP)
Vancouver, B.C., Canada                          Voice:(604) 943-9273

"The attempt to impose upon man, a creature of growth and capable of
 sweetness, to ooze juicily at the last round of the bearded lips of God, to
 attempt to impose, I say, laws and conditions appropriate to a mechanical
 creation, against this
From: norstar@tnl.com (norstar)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Inner Center (Smooth move, pal)
Summary: I agree!
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:14:57 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights, Troy NY

In article <1992Oct8.174308.4494@netcom.com>, bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
> In article <9210080512.AA07280@Willamette.EDU> amessing@WILLAMETTE.EDU (Adam Messinger) writes:
> >
> >In addition to 5-MeO-DMT does anyone know what other drugs Inner Center
> >has declared to be sacrements?  I understood that they also had cocaine and speed analogues.  Anyone?
> >
> 
> Well, whatever they had available, the list probably got a lot
> shorter due to your article.  Are you totally brainless?  Did it
> ever occur to you that posting info about sources of gray-market
> pharmaceuticals is a totally boneheaded thing to do?  IC no longer

Another really bad thing people do here is post methods for obtaining drugs
that are still low-risk or legally feasable. An example (that can no longer
be done, since 1970) is to be able to walk up to a prescription counter and
buy paregoric (20mg opium/5cc). Or, to describe how to extract the opium from
paregoric (causing legal authorities to take a new look at what they thought
was an innocuous preparation of opium). Discussing things like N2O is not
as bad...but there are still a few really important secrets...they must
remain so!! For the few to benefit from them, access to the populace must
be denied. If everyone had them, no one would...

Chances are, the authorities know about almost all of these. But they would
be forced to act if these things became a *fad*.

I don't believe in censorship, but conservation of source is the overriding
priority now a days.

-- 
norstar
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:00:32 GMT
Keywords: New-Speak

> |> Most members of the workforce will work anyplace that offers them a job,
> |> will be sitting at their desk/assembly-line at 8:00 AM exactly, wear a tie
> |> or uniform and address their superiors as "sir".

jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:

> Life is consists of a constant stream of trade-offs.  It is up to the
> individual to decide if certain sacrifices (wear a tie, address superiors
> as sir, etc) are worth it for the benefits gained.

If you only pay attention to the micro issues and ignore the macro issues
at stake, you're right.  But there are social issues too.  Prohibiting
discrimination impacts the employer's well-being just a tiny amount, while
vastly improving the employees' well-being.  Here, "well-being" includes
health, safety and the ability to support one's family.

If you're part of the libertarian hardcore that believes that a huge
increase in the well-being of one large group still doesn't justify a much
smaller decrease in the well-being of another, smaller group, then we can
part ways on philosophical grounds.  I think it's worth it; if nothing
else, because people drift between the groups, and people with the power to
discriminate must surrender the right to do so, so they're protected from
discrimination if/when they find themselves in a powerless group.

> At some point, most
> people will refuse to accept certain sacrifices.

But this point is far beyond what anyone would consider humane.  That's
proven by the history of 19th century labor exploitation and the occasional
immigrant labor exploitation currently.

> It is at this point
> that a competing business can step in and offer a job which doesn't
> demand the heavy sacrifice required by the other employer.

Why would an employer do this?  The business clearly makes a larger profit
by demanding heavier sacrifices from its workers, so it would find itself
at a competitive disadvantage by treating them nicer.  It can get all the
workers it needs no matter how badly it treats them.  The only way an
employer can treat its workers better, without suffering in the market, is
if it knows its competitors are required to treat their workers the same
way.  And if all employers are required to treat their employees humanely,
then no company suffers by it.

> Many people who work in 'sweatshops'
> are foreign workers who have fewer job opportunities because of our
> stupid immigration laws.  Even so, they actually are able to live a 
> better life than where they came from.

Treating workers like animals isn't justified by the fact that someone else
would be willing to treat them worse.

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Safrole
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.091136.27236@u.washington.edu>, lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>johnf@cislabs.pitt.edu (Jack Faley) writes:
>>  Has anyone tried to extract safrole from Sassafrass roots?  What kind of
>>yield should be expected?

According to the FAQ, sassafras oil is about 75% safrole.  Sassafras oil is
extracted from the roots by some sort of steam distillation.

>Ditto for Nutmeg.  (Hey, I'm reading through lots of CA's but I don't have
>time to check out everything).

Nutmeg has a bunch of other shit in it that would probably get extracted
right along with the safrole.  Unless you plan to separate it using gas
chromatography, I wouldn't use it as a source of safrole.  T.A.E. sells
sassafras roots (last time I checked).  ...Of the Jungle probably does too.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Star Parker)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:28:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <7154@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, jeff+@pitt.edu (Jefferson Provost) writes...
>In article <1992Oct7.222330.5535@tamsun.tamu.edu> ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
>>
>>   Does anyone really think that the musical 'Hair' could have
>>been written without access to psychoactive experiences?  Does
>>anyone really think that the teevee show 'Northern Exposure'
>>would have its current flavor, or would even have been produced,
>>if personal use of cannabis were not legal in Alaska recently?

Well, as an Alaskan, I'd like to say one thing (maybe two). First, Northern
Exposure is filmed and produced in Washington, but thats not the important
point.

MJ *was* legal in Alaska until several years ago due to Red Swanson, he somehow
managed to launch a massive anti-mj politico roust, and when the dust settled,
it was illegal to possess Marijuana. My current favorite bumber sticker is:

	"Pot got more votes than Hickle!"

Hickle is the current Governor which has had more than his share of unsavoury
actions tarnish his term. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: talking to kids
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:48:02 GMT

In talking to kids about drugs, consider expanding the definition of "drugs"  
to include things like TV, religion, consumerism, and junk food.

These behaviors encompass all of the things that make people phobic about  
certain pharmaceutical drugs:  they're addictive, they prevent the proper  
functioning of the mind, they put you at the mercy of the pushers, they  
damage your health and they screw up your life.

Remember the old joke:  "I used to be messed up on drugs.  Now I'm messed up  
on the Lord."  There's more of them than there are coke addicts.

Which would do the most damage to your daughter: smoking pot or watching TV?

John Wolff
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: safrole-sassafras
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.024727.5533@menudo.uh.edu>, st1o5@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>Saw some discussion a ways back on extracting safrole from sassafras.
>My question is, what does this stuff do?  I've used sassafras on
>occasion to make tea and once or twice ended up feeling kind of
>giddy.  Is there something else to this stuff that I've been missing?
>If so, lemme know, I have some in the freezer.

Rumor has it safrole is a precursor to MDMA.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cm31255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Matthaei )
Subject: Re: Pot People
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:21:58 GMT

j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:

>I often hear a lot of talk from people I know who smoke ganja on a daily
>basis that one day they are going to quit.  For many of them, this day 
>never arrives.  I know people who've been smoking anywhere from 2 years to 
>20 years.  

>Is there such thing as a daily pot-smoker who finally quits smoking on a
>daily
>basis and only indulgences maybe every other blue moon?  I know there are.
>I'm just wondering what made you change your habits from daily consumption
>to bi-annual consumption. 

Sure there is. I used to smoke 1-3 times daily up until the beginning of
this semester. The abrupt change of living at home to living down here at
school made it easier to quit. I haven't smoked here at school since I've
been here and I hardly ever even want to anymore. I went home last weekend
and got stoned four times- go figure! If you really want to quit smoking pot
I suggest moving (this is a pretty drastic thing to do though and most
people don't want to quit that bad anyway :-))


-- 
Chris Matthaei
cm31255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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