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fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu has the gall to write:


>In article <1992Sep23.022904.11857@athena.mit.edu>, nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes: 
>> My question is that why is it that I was harrassed more in Iran, covered up from


(stuff deleted)....

>> be and try to somehow touch or rub anywhere close to it.  Of course this is aside
>> from those who attack from behind.  I actually had to ask a guy to take his hand
>> out from under me in a taxi. 
>
>> Either my hijab was "defective" and thus not "doing
>> the job well" or something else is wrong with your reasoning behind what hijab
>> does or does not do in society.
>> Anyway, I'd appreciate an answer very much.
>
>I know others who were in Iran recently; all has complains but none has any 
>complains like the one you stated above. in the above story I would think that 
>the only problem might be yourself. you should check that.

You have quite a nerve, mister!

How can you so blindly and arbitratily shift blame for the harrassment
this lady is speaking of to herself?  You have so little information 
about what happened to her, you probably never even met her, and you are
suggesting she invites harrassment and abuse from men.  By doing
so, you have insulted her and everyone reading this net.

You have absolutely NO HONOR, and are an excellent example of the TRASH
that runs our country.

>> 
>> sincerely
>> naghmeh
>----------

no good wishes at all,

Agha Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mozhdeh! Mozhdeh!
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com
Organization: The Light House
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From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Abu-Musa and "THE GULF: Britain's days of empire"
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:13:54 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

Following my earlier message regarding the subject of Abu-Musa, I
found the following in misc.activism.progressive which also refers to
the Iranian government`s action in taking control of this island and
its likely longer term effects on the politics of the region.

-hossein
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From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,sci.physics
Subject: Re: In Memory of Professor Hesabi
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:23 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In article <1992Sep28.220649.17188@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, mroussel@plumbum.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes...
>In article <28SEP199211472532@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)

>>Are you a physicist who has worked in Iran?  I would be very interested
>>in a first-hand account of what it is like to do the business of science
>>in a Fundamentalist country.

>     As I understand it, Muslims (fundamentalist or otherwise) don't see
>any real clash between religion and science, unlike North American
>fundamentalist Christians.  There might be some problems with certain
>applications of science, but that's another story.

Fair enough.  I guess I worded my question unfairly.  The Iranian Government
is well known for being politically oppressive and using Islamic Fundamentalism
as a tool to maintain control.  I was wondering whether the Iranian
Government was threatened by scientific research - an enterprise which
by its very nature questions authority and accepted notions on a regular
basis.  If true, this aspect of the Iranian Gov't's behavior probably has
very little to do with it's religious inclinations.

-Scott

--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
From: majid@nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp (Majid Nili Ahmadaabaady)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Purpose of life or creation?
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:17:51 GMT
Organization: Robotic Lab., Dept. of Machine intelligence & Sys. Eng., Tohoku
	Univ.,Japan

>> Mr. Resza Shahidi wrote:
>> What is the purpose of life?

 I think the answer is based on the answer of this question: What is
the purpose of creation? If we find the answer of this simple and hard
question the first one is answered. Any idea?

majid
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: homayoun@odhner.ece.wisc.edu (Nima Homayoun)
Subject: ****** Door County Trip *******
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: wi
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:36:58 CDT


******************** Madison Area ********************** 

Ba Salam,

A group of us Iranian students and faculty are planning
to go to Door county area to see the fall colors. Door
County's natural beauty is a work of art, especially this
time of the year. One can see some of the prettiest sceanries
of all time. It would be a shame to live in the State of
Wisconsin and miss out on this great environmental evolution. 
The place we are going is << Peninsula State Park >> one of
the five state parks in that area.

Suggestion routes on how to get there:
(I never been there, so your guess is as good as mine) 

Getting to Door County from Madison :
     Take <I-151 North> all the way to < Fond Du Lac >
     Take <I-41 North > all the way to < Green Bay   >
     Take < 57 North  > all the way to < Sturgeon Bay>
     Take < 42 North  > to Peninsula state park.

Getting to Door County from Milwaukee , Chicago:
     Take <I-43 North> all the way to < Manitowoc  >
     Take < 42 North > to Peninsula state park.


When: Saturday Oct 3, (if weather permits)

Where: Peninsula State Park. (Door County) 

Where to Meet (Madison Residant Only):
      We are meeting at 6:00 am on Saturday Morning in front of
      the < Union South >. We are going to leave by 6:15 am SHARRP. 
	    ------------                            ----    ======
      Assuming 4 hours of driving, we should get there around 10:15 am 
      If you are planning to drive and are willing to take someone with
      you, please drop me a email so I can figure out a ride sharing plan. 
      If you Need a ride, then contact me ASAP, via email, or phone.

Where to Meet (Other cities):
      At the entrance of Peninsula state park by 10:30 am

      Approximate Miles from Peninsula State Park:
      Madison    210 Miles
      Milwaukee  185 Miles
      Chicago    255 Miles
      Green Bay   65 Miles


We are going as a picnic so you should bring enough food to cover
for breakfast, lunch, and possibly dinner. Also Don't Forget to bring
your camera !!


This will be the last posting concering this trip. If you need
any furture information, please feel free to contact me.


Nima Homayoun

(608) 257-4264 (home number -leave a message)
(608) 262-5130 (office)


-- 
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Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engr.      homayoun@ece.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin-Madison           (Nima Homayoun) 
Madison, WI 53706-1691                    1-608-262-5130
From: bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:02:38 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Oct2.132604.3224@philabs.philips.com> mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes:
>
>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>that of their husbands.

From my limited past experience and having a working mother, it
appears that married women at work use their own last names, whereas
outside of work they're known by their husbands' name. One funny thing
I have sensed here though is that the American women I have known who
got married seemed proud and eager to take their spouse's last names.
I have no idea why. Maybe it brings them a sense of establishment or
something. 


					Cheerio,
					Noushin
-- 
I wake up scared, I wake up strange, I wake up wondering if anything
in my life is ever going to change. I wake up scared, I wake up
strange, and everything around me stays the same.
                                                         - Barenaked Ladies
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:24:23 GMT

I was wondering what is the position of Mujaahedin
with regard to the 3 Iranian islands now being claimed
by different Arab states?  Usually our resident MKO supporters
are very quick in declaring their positions on national and international
issues, whoever, I have not heard anything regarding this issue.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 23:22:09 GMT

farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

>|> I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>|> whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>|> family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>|> that of their husbands.

I believe they keep their maiden name for legal purposes, but socially
they are known with their husbands' names.

>My mom!!  Her last name is  still XXXXXXXX.

Be careful FarhAd khAn, mother's maiden name is one's password to a
lot of personal info in this country.

    --mack

--
She's closing her eyes, then she takes me away,
and she's pulling the strings, when she's playing with love.
She's playing with love.                       --Alphaville
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iran in the Para-Olympics
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:56:40 GMT
	<7=!p3sk.bavafa@netcom.com>
	<1992Sep26.222114.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>
	<amoojoon.145@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh>
Organization: none


               
Why is it that no one has shown any interest in the Para-Olympics at all?
What was Iran's highlight in the Para-Olympics? Does anyone know?
        
 - Farzin
            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Perception of righteousness!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:44:26 GMT

This is a short one!

In article <BvDsoJ.Lo1@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>>
>>Salam K1 AghA,

Aleike salAm AghA RezA!
(sorry I forgot my salAm aleik :-)

[stuff deleted]

>something else because his organized brain reinterprets
                        ^^^
Sorry again! I meant his/her  , I hope it's not too late :-)
Regards,
K1
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: real discussion...
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:01:40 GMT
	<1992Sep30.162646.14109@ncsu.edu> <BvFBKo.BJr@acsu.buffalo.edu>
	<1992Oct1.134411.21782@ncsu.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct1.134411.21782@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

 @Mind you, that was my point. Rafsanjani does not even get any
 @recognition from the people outside of Iran who benefit from these
 @steps. You see, it does not matter what the present regime does or how
 @much it kisses the feet of the West it will not get any recognition, at
 @least not from the U.S. media. Rafsanjani is in a difficult position
 @because he loses no matter what choices he makes and the Iranian people
 @lose with him. 
 @
 @Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

For a while, there was rumor of government allowing wholly foreign-owned
businesses in Iran. Then newspapers pointed out that the constitution
does not allow foreigners to own more than 49% of such businesses and
the government backed down. As far as I know, the 49% limit still stands.
            
And I disagree with you. I think that if the government truly "kissed the
feet of the west", then it would get some "recognition" from them.
Every time I see yet another "condemnation" from the European community
or the UN or Amnesty International, I feel reassured that the government
is NOT "kissing the feet of the west".
          
 - Farzin Mokhtarian
   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:52:08 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>
>>What is the "age of mariage"? If the article is referring to 15 for
>>men (boys?) and 9 for women (girls?), then I am not surprized by this
>>number. Otherwise, what is the "age of marriage"? 20? 25? 30? 35?

My question still stands.  :-)

>>Should *I* be worried? Hurried? :-)  :-)
>
>What is certain is that it is getting very hard for someone to start a 
>family back home.

Make that almost impossible, unless either the bride or the groom come
from rich (read: VERY RICH) families.

>As for the right age of marriage for you mack, I think it is already
>too late!

OH NO!

>A year ago there was much talk in SCI about that.  There
>were also rumors and we were hopeful (for aroosee of course).

None of the rumors proved to be right. But when and if, then I will go
with my promise (about the first 50 ...). Stand by!   :-)

    --mack

--
She's closing her eyes, then she takes me away,
and she's pulling the strings, when she's playing with love.
She's playing with love.                       --Alphaville
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: I am He, the One...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:15:07 GMT


Okay Ramin, sign me up.  My only question is: can we have lots of sex?

Oh, and can I still eat spaghetti?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: shAhrokh, tabibe mahin!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:09:56 GMT

In article <ld4ckeINN787@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>>Dear ostAd, I was just reading one of your previous shAhkAr-e adabiyyAt:
>>
>>> doosh dar halgheye maa ghesseye geesooye to bood
>>>                          daam daaraam raam deem daaraam raam daaree raam
>>>
>>> can anyone help me with the second beyt?   if you cant, take your
>>> best shot anyway... noke zabooname... (hey, there's a challenging idea!
>>> lets provide first or second beyts, and have SCI shaa'ers complete them!).
>>>
>>> many thanks...
>
>yeah, so what?  during the moshaa'ere days, i politely (an attribute youre
>completely void of) asked for the second beyt of a poem.  whats your
>point? 

Nothing, I was just sympathizing with you !!! I said that I deeply regret
that you lost your house, and I am going to do my best to catch the thief
and be sezAye a'mAle nangin va khiAnat-bArash khAham resAnid. How dare he
jessArat kardan be ostAde aziz? 

Seyyed.

p.s. I really enjoyed seeing that you still don't understand :-)
     I had a great time reading your article. Thanks a lot!
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iran's "America Card"
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:34:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA

In Article<1992Sep30.162646.14109@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
(Brad Hernlem) writes:

>We are not allowed to see
>what positive steps Rafsanjani's government has taken to bring in
>foreign investment and to comply with the wishes of the "West".

(stuff deleted ....)

>Given this situation there is really nothing that Rafsanjani
>can do to convince the U.S. that good economic relations are in order.
>If he makes positive moves they are ignored by the U.S.

It would help to stop saying "Marg bar Amrika", and burning the American flag, 
etc., as the official gov't line, don't you think? Otherwise, it is safe for US
firms to assume that they are not welcome there.

Nonetheless, you have so rightly mentioned many steps that Rafsanjani is taking
to improve the economic climate.  They are all up for debate, but at least
they are doing SOMETHING.  Personally, I think it is too little, too late,
but better late than never.. Let's hope they stay focussed on it.


Agha Javad

(Kareh kooponi, hafteh-ye-deegeh!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Belgium
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:11:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.202836.5651@athena.mit.edu> nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
>I'm going to stick to my words and not answer anything related to the usual stuff
>we talk about here (although I must confess it's hard not to engage in this dirt
>throwing thing we call discussions).
>
>I have a question for those interested in Iranian history.  Robin Wright mentions
>in her article in the New Yorker that Iran's current stock exchange is modeled
>after the Belgium stock market.  This is interesting because Iran's first
>constitution in 1911 was based on the Belgium constitution and if I'm not wrong,
>they were the first "expert" foreigners who came to Iran in the begining of the
>20th century.  Is this just coincidence or is there a reason for chosing Belgium?
>
>Thanks,
>Naghmeh

They also pentrated Iranian television. Remember "Aghayeh Belgiki" in 
"Okhtapoos". There must be a conection.


-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:41:15 GMT
Organization: UB

In article mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes:
>
>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>that of their husbands.
>Mehran

Here is an example ( or a counter-example , depending on which are you
betting on) ...

My parents got married 26+ years ago , na dmy Mom still goes by her last
name.

Cheers 

Ramin
From: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalie Hossein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Truth and MKO
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalie Hossein)


Doostane Aziz,
	I would like to know how many of the MKO's supporters 
feel that they are Muslims first and Iranian's second. Also I
wanted to know MKO's position on the Iran-Iraq war. I am sure
there has been a discussion of this sort in SCI, however, I 
would like to see an answer. 

	My second thought deals with the MKO's leadership. Do
you (MKO's Supporters) feel that the leadership of MKO has remained
true to the ideals of the organization? Would you like to see a
change in the leadership? Where should we (Iranians looking for truth)
go to express our opinion about Iran's political climate? Does MKO
accept harsh criticism of itself and its past actions? Does it have
enough breathing room for others to co-exist within the organization?

--Thank you in advance for responses.

--Kal Hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Perception of righteousness!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.154827.16473@src.umd.edu> manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:
>
>Seeing all these articles on "hijab", "existence of God", and many
>other controversial topics made me think real hard about how
>different perception of righteousness is from one person to another.
>It is often funny to read articles where some try to give validity
>to their point of view through scientific examples when there is
>no scientific basis in their argument. There is this saying that
>goes like, "treat others as you like to be treated by them". This
>is one of the philosophical ideas which is celebrated and used in
>different context. However, there is a major flaw with the above saying.
>
>     WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ME MAY NOT BE RIGHT FOR ANOTHER. 
>
>This brings me to my point. Judging right from wrong is a subjective
>matter. There is no objectiveness in it. That is why no one, even God,
>could create laws that are absolute. The information that is used
>to evaluate right from wrong is often based on moral background of
>an individual or a group. Every law that is in any book is always 
>open for interpretation by a special group in power. That is how
>one can create a terrible injustice by applying the above saying.
>Unfortunately, I cannot see any solutions to the above problem. I
>am not immuned to the above desease either, because everyday, I have to make
>choices and I make them according to my experiences in life which may be
>different from the next person. Perhaps, in order to coexist, tolerance
>is the virtue that must be cherished. 

Hi Agha Reza,
Thanx for the article, and I definitely agree with the above.

>Tolerance can grow from a free mind and a free mind does not exist
>anywhere but in infants and mentally retarded. 
>
>                                -Reza Shahidi
>
>P.s. Am I right? :) What do you think?

I agree with <Tolerance can grow from a free mind >, but 
disagree with the second!
The mind of infants and the mentally retarded is "free" of everything
indeed ie: their mind is empty. But the "free" mind you are 
talking about must be TRAINED .
Children will indeed accept ANYTHING you teach them, but they 
won't accept another idea opposite to the one they are already
familiar with.

Regards,
K1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Persian Festival in LA
Summary: When?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:50:23 GMT

Salam....

When is (or was) the Persian Festival....I went to the Greek Festival this
past weekend and remembered that the Persian Festival should be around the
same time of year....last year it was at the Federal Building in Westwood...

so did i miss it, or do i have something to look forward to....

thanxs in advance....

Shadan M. Ardalan