From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: Re: More About India
Summary: Human rights or Womyn rights
Keywords: Human rights or Womyn rights
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:09:11 GMT

Ms D'Cruz writes:

>The statistics and stuff that you have provided here is very
>misleading.
>In your futile attempt to compare, you have highlighted all the
>plus points 
>in the Indian situation and the minus in the US.

Not taking her own advice she goes on to give umpteen examples of
atrocities against womyn in India.

>I spent 18 years of my life in India, all in Bombay. Most of the
>streets in
>Bandra, has more than just one brothel. Do you think the young
>girls and women
>kept over there, are there of their own free will ? The pimps make
>sure
>that they never broke out. Some, of the girls were abducted from
>near by
>schools. Never to be found.....

>Do you have any statistics for missing children and women in India
>? Where
>do you think they have disappeared ?  The number of open files
>languishing
>in the police departments throught out the country speaks volumes.
>There
>are millions of cases opened, compared to the ones closed.

Don't U think that these are a human rights issues - not just womyn
problems. You seem to be arguing for human rights rather than womyn
being mistreated in India. Do U know that homosexuality has its
place in India and little boys get abducted too. I do not seem to
understand your argument. If U pull out statistics from ghettos in
the U.S. U will get alike figures. India has lesser resources than
the U.S. to battle all 'evil'. 

So what do we do here - bash them(Indians in India) because they
have more important things to do - as in trying to feed themselves
- than spend endless resources curbing crime.

The greatest crime at home is not 'poor womyn rights', or 'poor
human rights' or the murders, rapes etc. etc. The greatest crime at
home is POVERTY. If U can fight poverty U will see a decrease (up
to the highly evolved American standards- as someone put it) in
crime at home.



>On a different note:-
>There is no value for life itself. 40 killed in a train accident,
>50 killed
>in torrential rain, 43 die of liquor poisoning, 55 get drowned in
>marriage
>celebration, 12 die in a cold wave, 10 die of heat stroke and on
>and on....
>How many times day after day, you keep reading, seeing hearing the
>above ?
>I think we have become, so heartless and selfish that it does not
>bother or
>touch us anymore ?

When one is born to such stuff and lives with it daily - it loses
importance. All U 'high and mighty' people with hearts - what are
you'll doing in the U.S..You'll should be helping the poor
destitute in India. I left India to get away from one and only one
thing - Poverty. I am not denying my selfish desires. I am not
denying my fear of poverty.
BUT I AM NOT SITTING HERE AND PITYING THOSE AT HOME. I AM IN NO WAY
SAYING THAT THEY ARE LESS HAPPIER THAN I AM. NOR ARE THEY LESS
EVOLVED THAN ME OR MY NEW FOUND COUNTRYPEOPLE.

I can accept that they(Indians in India) might find happiness in
what I would consider 'pathetic conditions'. 
Can you do that?
When we go overseas we use all these new values that we acquire to
'measure' how happy people at home are. That is definitely foolish.

>I received personal mail from some women, who taught life was
>better in India.
>The main reason given was their kids are safe there. I agree with
>that. They
>are relatively safer there today, but it won't be for long. 

I preferred you biased statistics to your conjecture on 'it won't
be for long'.

>I think distance makes us have selective memory. We tend to
>remember the good only. 

Is that so? Well I do not think it happened in your case.

>Sylvia D. D'Cruz                                

While we are with this 'womyn thing' - Through personal experience
I have observed that the female gender of Indians seem to pick up
the 'foreign' accent faster than males. It would be nice to get
some conjecture on this.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
A Bandstand Boy for 20 years:)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian