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From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: Re: Sigh. My nifty new car ain't so nifty after all
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:37:32 GMT

lethin@raisin-scone.ai.mit.edu (Richard A. Lethin) writes:

>So, sigh, I was really bummed when a few days after getting it back, I
>noticed a white-smoke problem, with these characteristics:

>1) When the car is started after sitting idle for a day or so.
>2) For about 30 seconds, a white acrid cloud of smoke rises out of the
>exhaust pipe.
>3) Then, after the car warms up, it goes away.


Well, this is a long shot, but, I saw a similar thing happen
to a car that had a leaking power brake booster that was sucking
brake fluid into the intake manifold.  A leaking vacuum modulator
for the auto trans can do the same thing by sucking tranny fluid
into the intake manifold, but since you got a new clutch 
you don't have an automatic, right?

-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown)
Subject: Re: are all americans stu
Reply-To: kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown)
Organization: Minimal.
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.767.27025@dosgate> "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com> writes:
>
>in: Message-ID: <1992Apr14.150031.4567#menudo.uh.edu>
>    kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>
>KB>Hmm...you mean automobiles like my Mustang GT?  Capable of cruising
>KB>at 120 easily...:-)
>
>My older brother is in the Canadain Forces and was stationed in Lahr,
>west Germany in 1989 and 1990.
>
>He always wanted a GT so he ordered himself an American spec GT. The
>car would do close to 145 miles per hour on the Autobahn, but he
>noticed a few things:
>
>1) The engine would overheat very quickly if he kept his speed over 120
>for any length of time.

I guess a denser radiator would do the job here.  3 or more cores should
do it.  :-)

>2) The brakes were not even remotely up to the task of slowing the
>car down from top speed. (One day he and a buddy had it up over 145
>mph and had toslow down quickly for the exit ramp. He hit the brakes
>HARD, and by te time he slowed down to 110 mph or so huge clouds of
>smoke were pouring out o the rear brakes. By the time he got it
>downto about 70 mph therewas effectively NO brakes left; as hard as
>he pressed on the pedal _nothing_ was happening.

The rear brakes?  Hmm...those are drums.  I wonder how the discs fared.
Though it sounds like the whole brake system lost its ability to do
anything.  Replacing the pads with something up to the task might
help...

I don't suppose anyone could describe *why* brake fade occurs?  What's
the physics behind it???

>The Mustang is a great car, and has a terrific bang-for-the-buck, but
>a high-speed cruiser it's not [at least in STOCK form.]

Could be.  They're pretty common in autocrosses, though, where they
tend to cruise at reasonable speeds.  Apparently the aftermarket has
solutions to the problems you describe (they even have rear disc
brake conversion kits!).

>Tom Neumann

Thanks for posting the info.  It's quite interesting to hear of someone
who did what you can only dream about...:-)

BTW, except for the above problems, it *did* cruise at 120 *easily*,
i.e. no real engine strain, right?  :-)



		Kevin Brown (kevin@taronga.taronga.com)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:27:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.183906.23110@erg.sri.com> rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) writes:
>The thing I'm not sure I buy about the argument that throttle plate
>vacuum is what causes "engine braking" is the same thing that is wrong
>with the argument that compression causes engine braking. The same
>"air spring" action should work (except in reverse). Any energy

The "air spring" does not work because it is a lossy system.
You spend energy pulling a piston against a decreasing vacuum.

Think of it as pulling a vacuum in a vessel and then letting
air in. Net result is a unrecoverable loss of energy.

-- 
My opinions are my own.

From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:27:14 GMT
Subject: Re: RX-7 vs the rest (was Re: 300ZX vs SVX)
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I haven't driven the new RX-7 yet although we've own 4 of the older model,
1979(2), 1982, 1984. However, my wife and I came out of a restaurant and 
low and behold there was a Beautiful RED!! 1992 RX-7 by the front door.
This is one great looking car even if it does have a weird looking speaker
system crawling all over the deck in back.

   It's just one more opinion & it's probably worth what it cost,

               Gary
From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:47:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.174759.11479
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


National Characteristics of Autos, FORD USofA.

The best selling Ford in America (Second to the Honda Accord)
is the Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable (The Mercury is a more expensive
version of the same car with different trim)

Base Price:  $14,913
4-door, Front engine, Front Wheel Drive,
Sedan and Station Wagon bodies
Wheelbase:  106.0 In
Length:  192.0 In.
Curb Wt:  3131 lb.
EPA Fuel Economy 20mpg City/29mpg Highway
Engine V-6 3.0 Liter 140 BHP 160 lbs torque

A 3.8 Liter 140 BHP with 220 lbs torque is also
common on the Station Wagon and Standard on the Police Version.

A 220 BHP 24 valve engine from Japan is also available on the
SHO version.

Essentially this middle of the market example represents the
best in American Sedans.  American cars tend to have engines
designed to pull well at low speeds, reflecting the stop/start
nature of American driving.

The Honda is slightly ahead of the Taurus/Sable because of
slightly better build quality.

I'm from Ohio and proud of the fact that Marysville Honda
produces the best built cars in the World.

Jeff
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: brake/muffler shops
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:50:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


took my 89 grandam to midas to trick them into checking on my brakes for me.
i figured i needed new pads.  they tell me the right front caliper is bad and rotor warped and you must replace in pairs etc and want $390 for the job.
i leave and go to carx.
they say same thing but only want $310 to do work.
i leave and go to pontiac dealer since this should be under my warranty if it is true.
they say nothing is wrong...just one pad wore faster than the other.  they want to do the brakes for $140.
i go to auto store and buy semi-metallic pads for $17.99 and spend an hour and put them on myself and everything is fine and my rotors are nice and shinny again.
comments?
From: axle@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: MR2-Mailing list>>HELP
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:05:12 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO



To anyone,

    While thumbing through NETNEWS a couple of weeks ago, I came across
a posting with the address for the Mister Two mailing list.  Unfortunately,
it was deleted the next time I tried to look for it.  (Pretty dumb. I should 
have saved it heh?)

    Well any way, I bought a 1988 MR2 a couple of months ago.  The car is 
great!  Read my lips, no new taxes...  OOOOppps, that should have been
Read my lips, this car handles wonderfully. Although, I think it's noisier 
with the window up than with the windows and T-top down.  Being this is my 
first car with the multivalve engine & other technies and the fact that I 
will have to keep the car for a long time (at least until I'm out of school),
I do intend to keep the Mister Two in the best shape I can.

    All of this boils down to:: Could someone please send me the address
of the MR2 mailing list.  I promise I will not waste any more bandwidth
with dumb request like this.

	    
Thanz in advance,
 
AXLE

Boy Oh Boy, what a great car!
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 04:14:50 EDT
From: Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid ??
 <SHANTANU.92Apr16091803@poseidon.oakhill.uucp>

In article <SHANTANU.92Apr16091803@poseidon.oakhill.uucp>,
shantanu@poseidon.oakhill.uucp (Shantanu Ganguly) says:
>
>
>Since each state has it's own license and driving test, the standards
>tend to vary a lot. The NJ test is pretty lame too, its conducted
>entirely in a parking lot. If you had taken the N.Y. test, you'd have
>to drive on a real road with real traffic and do a real parallel park.
>I've heard that the California driving test is quite extensive too.
>
>Of course, if you want a really challanging test, you could try for
>a class 1 driving license - lets you drive anything with wheels.


When I took the driving test in Virginia back in 1984, the only thing
I had to do was drive around 3 blocks of traffic with about 3 stop signs,
2 stop lights, and then front park.  THAT'S ALL!!!  LAME, LAME, LAME!
Anyone who doesn't pass this test is absolutely a complete, uncoordinated
idiot!

After I got my license, I drove straight to Washington, DC (thinking I
was such a great driver) got completely paranoid and almost got in
about 5 accidents.

If I had brains back then, I would've learned to drive for about a month or
so (my dad only taught me how drive during the weekends for about
3 weekends) every single day on a quiet road until I'm completely
comfortable with my driving.

But, of course, 16 year old boys in the U.S. don't give a shit about
anything but to get their driver's license, drive around during the
weekends like a bunch of maniacs and party.  Oh well, I wished I
knew better.

-Naz
From: lharris@hubcap.clemson.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:13:53 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

jmm2948@zeus.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M. Mayzurk) writes:
>>WHAT!!! A sports car!! How can a 6-banger that does the quarter in ten minutes
>>be a sports car!! 
>> 
>>Do you even know what a sports car is?

>Oh please, would you please stick to talking about something that you know
>about?  I'm sorry Mr. Gunsul, I don't usually flame people, but your post has
>to be one of the most unintelligent posts I have seen in this newsgroup.
>First of all, the Miata is a four cylinder, not a six.  Secondly, as any true
>enthusiast will tell you, there is much more to a sports car than how fast
>it can accelerate.  A sports car is not so easily defined, and its time in
>the quarter is definitely not the determining factor.  
>Jeffrey M. Mayzurk
Finally, an intelligable post on this subject!  Mr. Gunsul is obviously
an idiot, so I choose not to stoop to his level and flame him anymore
than this simple statement.
At Clemson University we have a sports car club, where people own and
autocross anything from Mazda GLC's (Glicks :-) to Corvettes.  Last
semester, we had someone show up in a real '65 shelby, and at the very
same auto-x, a Miata ran quite respectfully.  If it has 4 wheels and an
engine, you can run it!  A sports car can not easily be defined.  I
would tend to define it more an the nature of the handling of the car,
before power.  To still qualify as a sports car, you could however
sacrifice a little handling for some horsepower in return.  Having both
is ideal, though!

-- 
-Larry Harris-                |  '86 Mustang lx 5.0 notchback
lharris@hubcap.clemson.edu    |  Meyer's Tow'd Dune Buggy
lharris@clemson.bitnet        |  OS-9, a leaner meaner UNIX
Clemson Computer Engineering  |  RUSH, YES, R.E.M, The Who
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 300ZX vs SVX
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:04:48 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>In article <cdrYk3200WBOA4gXQq@andrew.cmu.edu> so0z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sang-Yoon Oh) writes:
>
>>**** "Nothing come close to 300ZX except NSX"****
>
In article <Apr05.042459.18569@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (Brutus Thornapple) writes:

>The new RX-7 will kick both their butts.. 
>
   It will ALSO bruise the heck out of the drivers....apparently 
   springs are an option on next year's model.
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From: andrew@airs.com (Andrew Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Experience purchasing 1992 VW GTI 16v (long)
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:37:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos

jhamill@bbn.com (John Hamill) writes:

>German cars tend to need to be understood better than the average
>American Buick. I dare anyone to try to figure out the heating controls
>in a Porsche 911 without reading the manual twice!

Ok John, I'll take you up on that.  Just give me a 911 for a week
(turbo preferred) without any owner's manual, and I'll have those
heater controls figured out by the time I give the car back to you!
That is, if I manage to survive the first time I get sideways deep in
a corner...
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japan could be skirting $30 billon in U.S. taxes annually
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:41:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr14.124814.2497@mwhhlaw.uucp> jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) writes:
>I find it ironic that, on the morning that I seal the envelope to the  
>IRS (you know, the one with the big check inside) I am reminded that  
>some people are bitching about other people "evading" taxes.
>
>Everyone who buys a japaneese car ought to be happy about this "tax  
>evasion", because otherwise it would be YOU paying the tax, not some  
>corporation.  (Remember, corporations don't pay taxes, people do.)

  Well, you must have served as an economic advisor on Bush's cabinet :-)

  I hate to break this to you, but you pay tax on imported goods anyway,
whether the foreign company pays its fair share of taxes or not.  What
you pay is called a sales tax; what the international companies are not 
paying is income tax, not sales tax.   And foreign corporations are owned
by, you guessed it, foreigners.  So the people you are referring to above
are not U.S. citizens.  Actually I'm not really sure what you were trying
to say, but to make a long story short, we all pay in the long run when
other people/corporations/etc. don't pay their taxes.

  Doug
-- 
                                                     Doug Fierro
                                      |\             UTS System Software
  O                         __________|_\______      CASE tools development
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From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Double clutching & Toe-heel shifting
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:30:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Apr6.125213.19579@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> asl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (albert.s.lew) writes:
=> In article <2301@isgtec.isgtec.com>, karl@isgtec.com (I) wrote:
=> > So just to be redundant (and repetetive :-) the sequence you would
=> > suggest is:
=> >     - brake
=> >     - clutch pedal down
=> >     - shifter in neutral
=> >     - clutch pedal up
=> >     - blip throttle (to get shafts matched)
=> >     - clutch pedal down
=> >     - shifter in lower gear (without waiting at the gate like I suggested)
=> >     - clutch pedal up quickly before things start slowing down
=> >     - back on the gas to drive the corner
=> > 
=> 
=> Can anyone tell me if there is any difference with the sequence described above
=> and the following sequence:
=>      - brake
=>      - clutch pedal down
=>      - blip throttle
=>      - shifter in lower gear
=>      - clutch pedal up quickly before things start slowing down
=>      - back on the gas to drive the corner
=> 
=> Thanks,
=> 

It looks like you are missing the double-clutch in the second scenerio
(this scenerio is similar to the one I first suggested).

--
Karl Sewlochan        ...uunet.ca!!isgtec!karl             karl@isgtec.com
ISG Technologies Inc.  3030 Orlando Dr. Mississauga.   Ont.  Can.  L4V 1S8
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stuff...
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:51:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: eff.1992Apr8.195122.24155
     <1992Apr2.192034.19042@icf.hrb.com> <7wlj2nj.pauly@netcom.com>
     <johnson.702603796@wrs.com>
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

In article  David Johnson, johnson@wrs.com writes:

>Now Paul, do you acually beleive that the B-210 and Chevette are
handlers?
>
>I think not!

Maybe not in their stock form, but they are both popular custom jobs, and
once customized, can provide a very substantial handing package.  (well,
the B210 more than the Chevette).

- Peter

+--------------------------------------------+
|Proud owner of a 1981 Honda Civic that he's |
|   in the process of customizing to become  |
|                a GTI killer!               |
+--------------------------------------------+
From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:15:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Repair Horror Stories (was Re: Attempted cheating by Sears Auto)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:

>the trade off ends up being whether you want a socket that you can return
>when you break it (say, break it at 1am when you're trying to get your car
>back together to go to work the next morning) vs. a socket that won't
>break.  sears craftsman hand tools are still guaranteed, but they aren't
>as good as they were a few years back.  my tool box has increasing

	Breakage isn't the only problem. My biggest complaint with Sears
	tools is that the open end wrenches are much more prone to
	stretching than Snap-on. Has anyone been successful in returning 
	a stretched (but not broken) open end wrench to Sears? I prefer
	my knuckles without the cuts/scrapes/dings that stretched wrenches
	are so good at providing. I'll pay more for the improved quality
	anyday (my knuckles thank me too :-)

>north carolina, and quite good.)  i don't have a good feel for the current
>Black & Decker line; the circular saw i just picked up from them seems ok,
>but nothing special.

	Black & Decker has several lines of power tools. The Black &
	Decker line itself is the bottom of the brand chain. The 
	DeWalt line of power tools (by Black and Decker) is of 
	EXCELLENT quality. I have a DeWalt power miter saw (with brake,
	excellent safety guard, etc.) that is the best I've ever seen. 
	I've got one of the new DeWalt power saws (with brake) on order to
	replace my old Craftsman saw. The down side to DeWalt is
	the expense (but if you buy Snap-on tools, you should be used to
	this problem :-). Discounts are available from companies like
	Tool-Crib and others (see any Fine Homebuilding magazine for
	their ads). Black & Decker also has another line of power tools
	under a three letter name (Eju, or something like that) that I
	don't have much experience with.

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossposting
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:00:19 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History

In article <15377@drutx.ATT.COM> brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
>If you'll forgive a couple of re-posts from January of 1990,
>I'll provide some illustration of my point.  Back when I still
>had a Norton, Spring stirred forgotten urges to life, started the
>blood flowing, and moved me to post the following:
>[story deleted]
>>The arid bitter grip of winter has iced Norton to silence.

brucer, i think the arid bitter grip of winter has iced your brain 
into rehashing your OWN stuff.  you should know better, lest you become
a legend in your own mind.

>I can sense in the corridors, on the wind, rumbling in the earth,
>the question on everyone's lips.  People gather in the streets,
>in coffee-shops, in public places everywhere with but one common
>thought, one burning need to know: "where's brucer".
>
>Well, here I am, humble as always, your servant and friend,
>back from the dead, with news.

oops! i spoke too soon.  you HAVE become a legend in your own mind.

>Here's what's been going on with me:

well, i'm almost envious of you, bruce robinson. sounds like things
are shaping up quite well for you and i wish you the best of luck.
just do me one favor, please. try and stick to a normal helmet size,
ok?


>The question burning in my mind is:
>	"should I cross-post to rec.motorcycles?"

but of course!

>-- 
>    66
>     >
>     ^ .................. the edited "brucer" (DoD #0002)

make that the "rehashed" brucer.


-- 
-- bob pasker 
-- rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu 
-- not speaking for: San Francisco State -- Dept. of History
  
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Choosing a radar detector
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:22:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo) writes:

>Hello, I need help in picking a radar detector.  Basically, I want to know
>if there are any brands that stand out as being better than the rest, or
>if there are other things that I should look for when picking one.  

I tried out several radar detectors not too long ago to see what
seemed to work the best.  Any of the high-end detectors have good
sensitivity, so what I was most concerned with suceptability to
falsing in "city" mode, which is how my unit is set most of the time.
To make a long story short, the best one was the "Passport".  Last
I heard these could be had for $150, which I think is a heck of a
deal.  The other detectors I tried were the Escort DSP and the top-
of-the-line Cobra (can't remember the model)
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Using the horn
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:23:36 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <11799@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> vinay@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Vinay Sathe) writes:
>In article <MATT.92Apr10133140@world.std.com> matt@world.std.com (Matt Saucier) writes:
>>
>>If I'm
>>second in line, and the car in front of me waits five seconds, and
>>we're making left turns, I have *NO* chance at making the turn legally
>>in one light-cycle.  I generally will give a polite "toot" after
>>about two seconds... 
>
>	I have to agree with you, Matt. There are some signals here 
>	in Beaverton which are 'car triggered'. If the car in front 
>	doesn't move, the protected green changes to red in less than 
>	5 seconds. I have to kill my engine becuase it takes about 2 
>	minutes for it to become green again. 

Reminds me of a strange incident that happened to me recently.
Coming home I stop at a red light, with a car to my left making
a left turn, and another car to my right.  In the cross-street
to our right, waiting to make a left turn is a truck.  

Now the truck had a green light, but was just sitting there.
In fact he had been there as I coasted up to the red light,
so he must've been sitting there for some time.
We all sat there for literally 2 or 3 minutes.  Finally someone
figures out that *our* red is not going to change to green
until that damn truck makes his left turn.  So we *all* start
honking, waving, and yelling at the truck.  Finally he wakes 
up and makes his turn.  Immediately after that the light changed
and we could go.

Bizzare.

--Neil
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